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From: barry@jab.tucson.az.us (Barry Mishkind)
Subject: Re: Commercials and listener station hopping
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:00:55 GMT

jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas) writes:

>     well seeing that in the adult 25-34 numbers group we do extremely
>     good. I'd say that we're doing something right!!! You can't 
>     deliver an audience to an advertiser if they're switching channels
>     every 10-15 minutes, with us they know they can listen for a half an hou
>     without interruption, so when we do stop down they actually listen.
> 

I don't think research really bears that out.

> 
>Not flaming you but come on I'm coming at this from the radio standpoint and
>you are obviously coming at it from the agency standpoint!!  People don't lik
>commercials!!


No, I actually am not an agency man. As a professional, I understand the 
purpose of being in business is to make money. TO make money, you must 
reach and deliver an audience that will patronize the advertisers on a 
consistent basis. (We used to have a local station selling 1/3 of its unsold 
net adjacencies for $25 a week ... my dad, a dry cleaner loved it until I 
explained that if he advertised for one day or seven months, there was a
finite number of listeners that would respond. He then tracked his customers 
and stopped the buy.)

Those that want the largest audience will simply play no commercials. 
However, unless you are underwritten by a taxpayer supported institution or 
Ross Perot, the day will come when the controller will stop the paychecks. I 
hate to say it, because I love the medium for itself. But the reality is 
elsewhere.

> If station A has alot of listeners then buy that station, if you don't like
> the way they play spots, then advertise elsewhere!!  We're sold out M-F and

> most of the weekend so we're doing something right!!

At the moment it looks nice. But, don't count on a long term career there.

REmember the movie "FM"? Probably one of the worst movies in history as it
relates to the reality of the industry. Yes, there are short periods of 
ratings success and monetary success for stations that press the music. But 
in the long run ... here's what normally happens: local advertisers deseret 
the station because there is little response to the ads. National ads 
continue for a while. Eventually another station takes a shot, and overcomes 
in the ratings, and the spot load defects as the 19 year olds in the 
agencies switch buys.  Next? Right, the format change.....

regards

==================================================================
Barry Mishkind
barry@jab.tucson.az.us

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From: rfa@Turing.ORG (Robert F. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Commercials and listener station hopping
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:11:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.055301.21530@gagme.chi.il.us>
kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.205329.10559@gagme.chi.il.us> seb@draper.com (Steve
>Bacher) writes:
>>
>This is absolutely true, and it's part of the increasing conservatism of
>programming these days.  Stations won't play a song unless it's popular.
>Songs won't become popular until stations play them.  Thus, fewer and fewer
>new pieces of music make it on to the playlists.
>
You can't be serious..Do you work in radio? I think not. 
My music director spends about 15 hours a week on the phone
with record representatives. They try to get her to play
music by their artists. She adds about 4 songs a week to the
list and drops about the same amount. A radio station cant
play EVERY new song that comes out. There are only 24 hours
in a day. 

It is not the stations job to promote the music so you will
go out and buy it. The purpose of the music is to entertain
you...the listener... so you will tune in the station and
somewhere along the line you will hear the advertisements
that our clients pay us to broadcast. In turn we use the
money to pay the bills. You get the picture.

Just my opinions. It's taken me 15 years in the business to
develope it, tho..
-- 
rfa@turing.ORG    ( KD4QBD )         /      BROADCAST ENGINEER
(804) 296-7697  Hm                   /      WCHV         WWWVV
(804) 977-5566  Wk                   /      Oldies   AlbumRock 

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From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Bad community and public service programs 
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:19:59 GMT


Ever notice on Sundays (usually) it can be hard to find programming on
radio other than "community" or "public service" stuff?  Stuff about
drug abuse, and such.  I could be wrong, but I suspect that most radio
listeners don't want to hear this stuff.  And that radio stations do
this stuff mainly to make the FCC happy.  I suppose the ratings services
might report on listenership during these programs.  But, if this program-
ming is thought by the station as a kind of "overhead", they may not much
worry about listenership.  Who is up at 6AM Sunday morning anyway.  And
usually no commercials are played during these programs, so no incentive
to get listenership.  Usually early Sunday morning, and late Sunday
night, you hear thses programs.  And almost every station plays this
stuff at the same time.   I suppose, if some kid decides to "say no
to drugs" because of one of these programs, it would be worth it, but
I don't have to be told to say no myself.  

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From: fybush@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Fybush)
Subject: Stale formats on FM
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:59:36 GMT


 Ordinarily I stay as far away from discussions of radio music formats 
 as I possibly can.  I'm a newsman, not a music programmer or a jock, and
 I prefer to keep it that way.  When I listen to music, it's from tapes
 and CDs for the most part, and I've never worked at a commercial station
 with a music license.
 
 BUT...I feel compelled to respond to Jeff Comer's comment about most
 radio stations prgramming only music from before 1980.  Perhaps the
 problem is that the genre of music has become stale as far as radio
 programming is concerned.  The rockers of 1992 are programming in
 exactly the same ways as the rockers of 1982...and of 1972.   The liners
 are stale...the jocks' patter is stale...and that's why the music
 comes across as stale.
 
 However, there are other formats out there that are new and fresh.  
 Here in the western 'burbs of Boston, we're blessed with "Walden 1120,"
 WADN(AM) Concord MA.  Walden is America's only commercial all-folk
 station.  From 7 AM until 6:30 PM on weekdays, and from 7 AM until
 10 PM on weekends, the station programs contemporary folk music.  If
 you're not familiar with the genre, core artists include Bill Morrissey,
 John Gorka, and Christine Lavin.  There's no baggage associated with
 thirty years' worth of the format.  And so even when Walden plays
 an older tune by Bob Dylan or Joan Baez, it sounds fresh.  And when
 a folk artist releases something new, it's on Walden's playlist
 before it's in the stores.  
 
 Friends, that's what radio is all about.  And because FM has become
 _so_ expensive, and the pressure for ratings has become so high, I
 predict that we'll be seeing more of these fringe formats using dying
 AM stations as breeding grounds.  Here in Boston, WRCA(AM) Waltham,
 a 5000-watt fulltimer on 1330, just changed hands for $10,000!  I
 don't know all the details of the sale, but AM is becoming more
 affordable.  
 
 All this sound familiar?  We're right back where we were in the
 sixties, only with the bands reversed.  FM stations with no ratings
 and thus no financial pressures to succeed immediately were where the
 AOR format developed.  We're in need of fresh new formats today, and
 I'd suggest we all keep our eyes on AM over the next few years.
 
 And if anyone around Boston wants to help me line up a few investors
 for a long-term committment, I'm sorely tempted to test the waters
 myself...
 
 Look out "Mix" and "Kiss" and "Z-98" and "Lite"...there's another
 revolution on its way.  I hope.
 
 BTW, you can hear a bit of Walden on *SIGNALS* soon (probably show
 #52 on October 17)...I'm putting together a profile of several
 Boston-area AMs that are keeping the band alive.  And my SR III
 review should air this weekend (10/10) if all goes well.
 
Scott Fybush -- fybush@unixland.natick.ma.us 
 


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From: hgpeach@ms.uky.edu (Harold Peach)
Subject: Callsign-City listing?
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:18:38 GMT

Does anyone out there have a complete listing of callsigns for
US broadcast stations that would include, at a minimum, their
city and state?  If so, I would appreciate a copy.

Harold
hpeach@ca.uky.edu
-- 
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From: rrb@airwaves.chi.il.us (R.R.B Moderator)
Subject: ** Bounced Mail?? **
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:05:16 GMT

If anyone has had e-mail to rrb@airwaves.chi.il.us - or - had an article
bounce, you are not alone.  

Clout.chi.il.us, the regional server for articles and e-mail, has had trouble
this past weekend (Oct 9 - 11) and some mail/articles may have bounced.

If you have not received an indication that your letter/article bounced, please
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Thank you
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From: rfc@encrypt.hdtv.att.com (Robert F. Casey)
Subject: AM pirate loses civil court case
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:59:05 GMT


In the October 7,'92 issue of Radio World, page 10, an article discribes a
pirate who allegedly had been pirateing a local daytimer religious AM
station, WFIF at 1500KHz.  It says the pirate was transmitting after the
real radio station signs off the air, making various slanderous and
harrashing statements about that station and its announcers.  A local
court found the pirate guilty of interferring in business relations and 
the slander.  Court awards the religious station $12K in damages.  

The pirate also replayed portions of Howard Stern's radio show.

The FCC has not been involved in the above court, and the pirate, 
according to the article, said that he is going to appeal.  The appeal
will be that the pirate didn't violate the Communications Act, because
the FCC didn't charge him.  

According to the article, the pirate has continued to bother WFIF.
The FCC said that they don't have enough budget and time to have someone
there full time to catch the pirate red-handed.  Appears that the
pirate is too sporadic in his operations to make catching him easy.
Also, the station being 200 miles from the nearest FCC office doesn't
help.  The FCC, if they are in the area on other matters, might then
be able to nail the pirate, though.  The FCC did mail a letter saying
to the effect: "If you are pirateing, you better stop, or you will 
get big fines, and maybe do some time."

A Superior court did an injunction against the pirate to stop transmitting,
but the pirate continues.  WFIF wants the court to charge the pirate
with contempt.  
========================================================================
disclaimer: Don't blame me, it's RW's fault!

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From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Subject: Digital Cable Radio Services
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: WANG
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:16:29 GMT

After reading all these posts re: DCR, I have decided that I need more info.
As a member of my town's Cable Advisory Committee, I have been working along-
side the Cable Company to bring "Quality" cable television service to our
town.

I told the Cable Company that, as part of the local access, I wanted to start
a "Cable Radio Station" for the town.  DCR might be a good alternative.  Could
one of you mavens send me more info?  Thanks muchly.

[Moderator's Note:  If you are considering a cable radio service, may I
suggest the Digital Music eXpress (DMX) as opposed to DCR.  DCR makes people
call an 800 number to identify a song being played.  DMX offers that info 
(title, artist, abum name, record number and label) on an LCD readout built
into a remote control.  Who wants to call everytime we want to know an
artist?  Besides DMX offers stereo outputs for both analog and digital
amplifiers to improve sound.  I really would prefer the latter on MY cable.]

--Bruce (bst@wang.com)

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From: "TISS: :HIGGINS" <higgins%tiss.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: Mexican mediumwave harmonic logged
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: McDonnell Douglas
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:13:38 GMT


Attention shortwave and mediumwave DXers:

Last night (5 October) at 2120 Central Daylight Time (6 October 0220 UTC) on
1620 kHz I logged the second harmonic of a Mexican mediumwave station, XERI in
Reynosa, TM; fundamental frequency 810 kHz. (The 810 kHz frequency was
inaudible at the time due to domestic and Colombian QRM, and in fact has
never been logged at this QTH).

The station is listed in the '91 WRTH as 500 watts, so surely this second
harmonic is very, very low effective radiated power. Yet signals here in Saint
Louis, MO, USA were quite strong and well above the noise (signals were
roughly comparable to Anguilla-1610). This at a distance of approximately
1000 miles. Judging by the level, this could make it to the East Coast. Look
for Mexican popular music, some English language music, particularly oldies
(they played "16 Candles"), Spanish announcements between almost every song
including many mentions of Monterrey and Reynosa, and many "Radio Rey" IDs.
Equipment used here is a Space Magnet SM2 antenna feeding a Sony ICF-2010. It
just occurred to me, those of you with a new Superadio III can now actually
try for something on the extended AM band now!

Has anyone else heard mediumwave harmonics in the 1600-3200 kHz range?
Is this due to sloppy engineering on their part or what?


Good DX and post what you hear!


Earl Higgins KA9DHA
Saint Louis


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From: 9118543@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Christiaan Keet)
Subject: A circuit for a simple FM station?
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: University of Stellenbosch, RSA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:17:12 GMT


Where can I look (pref FTP) for a reletavily simple FM circuit?
(must have range of at least 3 km)
Thanx
Christiaan Keet
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From: byrns-j@gamma.corp.mot.com (John Byrns)
Subject: Re: AM stereo
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:51:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.024705.16379@gagme.chi.il.us>, john@zygot.ati.com (John
Higdon) writes:
> 
> Oh, don't take my word for it; tune across the dial. The marketplace
> speaks.
> 
Personally I can take it or leave it, AM stereo that is, although I do find
AM, either mono or stereo, has many qualities to recommend it. At any rate
I thought I would tune across the dial, as Mr. Higdon recommends, and see
what the market place says in the Chicago area. I sat down in my car with a
Delco radio. Using the seek button to guarantee selecting only stations
with a consistently good signal, the radio tuned to 22 stations, 8 of these
were in stereo. This is better than 36% broadcasting in stereo. A list of
the stations I found broadcasting in stereo is as follows.

 540 WYLO Jackson, WI
 560 WIND Chicago, IL
 620 WTMJ Milwaukee, WI
 670 WMAQ Chicago, IL
 720 WGN  Chicago, IL
 780 WBBM Chicago, IL
 890 WLS  Chicago, IL
1300 WTAQ LaGrange, IL

John
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From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Subject: KEEN Update
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Green Hills and Cows
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:58:48 GMT

For those two or three of you with stereo radios in the Bay Area:

Opening salvos with the owners of KEEN would indicate that stereo is on
the station to stay. I got the same argument that the Moderator voiced:
this would be the wrong time to yank the stereo now that radios are
finally starting to appear on the market.

One can only hope that the new transmitter will be more stable than the
MW-5 has been all these years with regard to stereo adjustments.

Well, it was a good try. And I will be bringing it up again.

-- 
 John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
 john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407

Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting
From: pd@x.co.uk (Paul Davey)
Subject: BBC Radio 4 Longwave being discontinued
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: IXI Ltd.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:55:50 GMT


The BBC has announced that the domestic Radio 4 service will no longer
be broadcast on 198Khz longwave (1500m). That frequency will then be
used for the proposed BBC 24 hour News service.

BBC R4 will still be available on VHF/FM.

As the longwave frequency (the only one used in the UK) can be picked
up all over the British Isles and much of Western Europe many
listeners are up in arms over this proposed change.

Many drama programmes will not be carried on the news service.

A campaign to presuade the BBC to reconsider is being coordinated
from,
	52 Kingsgate St.
	Winchester
	SO23 9PF

(Information from The Guardian, 5th Oct 1992.)


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From: cprajoux@nike.calpoly.edu (Christian R Prajoux)
Subject: Chilean Nacional Radio.
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: __
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:57:44 GMT


[Moderator's Note:  Although this article deals with shortwave, and is
therefore somewhat ouside the charter of r.r.b, it has been included 
out of courtesy to the poster. If anyone can assist this poster, please reply
via e-mail directly.  Thanks] 


Dear Sir or Madam: 
  

      I would like to know and provide me some kind of information about
de Nacional radio that broadcast time to time in shortwaves and which is
the time and bands. 

   


Thank you.
 
Christian.

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From: Mark Yeck <my10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Seeking College Station List
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: __
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:20:49 GMT

Here in Pittsburgh, the airwaves are pretty packed also.  We just spent well
over two years and thousands of dollars in a legal battle with another
station.
We  (WRCT-FM that's for Radio Carnegie Tech for those who are still intereste
in what people's call letters stand for.  Now the school is Carnegie Mellon,
but the radio station is still RCT)  Anyway, we are upgrading from 100 watts
to about 1770 watts with a directional antenna and this other station is
planning to join the airwaves at 200 watts outside of pittsburgh to the east.

Another station, WPTS, down the street at the university of pittsburgh was
forced to stay a 19 watt ERP  Class-D station because there was no room on
the dial here ten years or so ago when most class D stations were forced to
change to class A.  I think they are getting pushed around by another station
that is upgrading now.

In any case, it'll probably be a lot of work to get a spot on the air, but
we definately think it's worth it here.  If we can help you out in any way,
send me mail or something.  Good luck and stuff.

-Mark Yeck
WRCT-FM



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From: 855herrera@gw.wmich.edu 
Subject: Alan Colmes' Compuserve Number
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: Western Michigan University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:44:16 GMT


Anyone know Alan Colmes CompuServe Number? He announces it on his show usually
each day but I never get to hear it.  In case you don't know, he's the guy
with that "Radio Graffiti" item at the beggining and end of his show-
once sentence one sentence only.

I posted something about getting Rush Limbaugh's number and I got a ton
of mail.... thanks to all that helped out.  Hadn't had much success with
this guy though (except for one post).

please mail me.

-JTH

Newsgroups: rec.radio.broadcasting
From: kupec@agouron.com (John W. Kupec)
Subject: Re: KFI talker
Originator: wdp@gagme
Organization: __
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:17:56 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.210003.10727@gagme.chi.il.us> barry@jab.tucson.az.us
(Barry Mishkind) writes:
>
>According to CNN, Tom Leykis was dumped from KFI in favor of Darryl Gates.
>
>Talk about a format switch!


This is unfortunately true.  I was a big fan of Tom L.'s and
can't bear to listen to Gates.  I missed the details though- last
I heard (about 2 weeks ago) Leykis was talking about how he was
going to be on the air until Christmas with no more days off.
He had the #1 drive-time talk show in LA, I believe.  Can someone 
fill me in on why Tom Leykis is no longer with KFI?

thanks
-- 

John Kupec (kupec@agouron.com)
Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
San Diego, CA  92121 (619) 622-3040


Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
From: mhcoen@double-chex.ai.mit.edu (Michael H. Coen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Question regarding 2010 antenna connections, reception & FETs.
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:02:20 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


Before I bought my 2010 (several months ago), I spoke with the head of
the technical department at EEB.  He told me that this problem
(unprotected front-end FETs) occurred only in the early 2010 models and
has since been fixed by Sony.  However, he said that the rumor of such
problems has refused to die.  (Of course, you should always unplug
external antennas during storms.)

I have always had the same problem with MW stations and random wire
antennas (even with an antenna amplifier).  My guess is that you really
should use a directional antenna (like a ferrite bar or wire loop) for
MW stations (<1.6MhZ).  You could certainly test that your external
antenna connections are still intact via SW reception;  I expect you
will find the random wire works very well for higher frequencies (4MhZ+).

There are several references you can check for this kind of information.
Of course, I don't know any of them off the top of my head, but if you
are interested, I could provide you with some titles.

- Michael
From: Bill.Whitacre@p916.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Whitacre)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:13:32 +0001
Reply-To:     MICHELE <DAMICO@IPMEL1.POLIMI.IT>
From:         MICHELE <DAMICO@IPMEL1.POLIMI.IT>
Subject:      IONCAP manual needed

Hi everybody,

is there anybody that could help me in finding a user manual for the
propagation prediction program IONCAP ?
Any help apreciated !

                                     73  Michele



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