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From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:46:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.021833.14973@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> curran@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Brian Curran) writes:
[lots of rational drivel deleted. here's the irrational stuff:]
>Alas, I plan to "steer" away from the Big D.  Ah, Texas, where the men
>are men and the cattle are nervous.  Where real Texans wear kilts 'cause
>cows can hear a zipper from a mile away.

Oh, please! Do you really think anyone in the rest of the country is going
to listen to someone one OKLAHOMA call people hicks? OKLAHOMA, whose major
city is... I mean _town_... I mean _hamlet_.... well, what _is_ it? I doubt
anyone who has been to bot Texas and Oklahoma will see Oklahoma in the
more positve light culturally, so you might want to make your "bumpkin"
jokes about another state. I won't dare make a suggestion... ;-)

>Where a student can graduate
>from high school if he can identify his parents from the rest of his
>first cousins.

An OKIE making fun of EDUCATION elsewhere? This is getting richer...

>Where the best university is run by Aggies.

A&M is a good school. Very good at certian things. But ranked behind
Texas and Rice in almost everything (even the engineering school,
although it is CLOSE there). You can argue about intangibles, in which
case A&M could be better in some ways for some people, but if you
stick to surveys and polls, A&M is still behind. Both, however, are
ranked ahead of OU in the last two studies I read (in US News and Money
magazines--can't remember _exact_ locations for either).

>And where
>the favorite meal of all Texans is calf fries and Dr. Pepper.

What are calf fries?

>Woof. 

Hey, why don't you woof about your FOOTBALL team, since the rest of
your woofing is easily discredited. ;-) (Of course, that's what makes this
game so much fun!) You DO have a better football
team... thank God you still have Gibbs, though so UT still has a
chance! By the time you folks get rid of Gibbs, Mackovic will probably
have brought UT back (at least I hope he can do it that soon--his
first recruiting year was great), and UT might even EARN the win
instead of STEALING it. ;-) (I'm perfectly willing to admit that UT stole
the last three wins, but coaching IS part of the game. And when you get
outcoached by David McWilliams.... whew, that's bad.)

>>		For the fourth year in a row, 

>You can count?  Gee, I knew Gov. Richards was improving higher education,
>but I am truly amazed!  You count better than your cousins at College
>Station :-/.

And finally another attack on HIGHER education. Like there is such a thing
in Oklahoma. Sheesh. ;-) 

Jay



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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:51:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) wrote:
}
}Wait a minute! Two MNC's in the 80's for JoePa? 
}
}1981 USC The one in LA

No, Clemson - The one in Clemson.

Surely Ronnie didn't forget Clemson's 22-15 win over Nebraska in the
Orange Bowl?

-- 
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   "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades."
                                 "And computer rating systems."
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Ohio State (WAS: Re: Ohio State Sucks!!!)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:56:34 CDT
Keywords: Choke!

In article <1992Oct11.234158.648@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@dorothy.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:

>The second fumble would have occurred no matter who was carrying the ball.
>A good hit with the helmet on the ball woulda stripped Czonka.

Yes.  As you say, "a good hit with the helmet on the ball".  That is
precisely why they teach you in junior high football to tuck the damn thing
between your arms.  I can see on a long run why you need to hold it out a
bit to get speed, but near the goal line?  Yet you see pros and college
players fail to do this time and time again.  You also see guys at this
level try to hit high, instead of wrapping around the legs for a sure
tackle.  But that is another issue.

> And don't
>forget that the freshman also scored a touchdown in the same situation in
>between the 2 fumbles.  Isolating the freshman and destroying his confidence
>would have been inexcusable.  Putting him back in was common sense.  Don't
>get me wrong -- the 2 fumbles tore my heart out, but any other back would
>have coughed it up on that tackle.  It's too bad they had to run the play
>at all, since the correct call would have been touchdown the play before
>(the pylon is part of the end-zone, and that was the first boundary marker
>that Cothran touched).

Yeah.  I was just trying to be incite responses with that remark.  Still,
as you say, he got a touchdown between those two fumbles, so why go for the
same play 3 times in a row?  I still would have run some huge guy up the
middle, but I'm not a coach, so....

I think TOSU was destined to lose that game.  They are being penalized by
the Woofing Gods for extending Cooper's contract in the first place.  :^)

>>Now, here's a trivia question for you all:  what Big 10 team is the only
>>one to date with no conference wins?  :^)
>
>Sure as hell not the worst one.  Excuses?  Yeah, I got plenty.  But 6-2 (10-2)
>is still in reach, and I'll just save 'em til then.

Yep.  I hope you aren't taking that remark too seriously, since the smiley
was included.  I just found it kind of amusing (for the reason you gave).
-- 

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From: cam@milton.u.washington.edu (Cameron Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:10:30 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>If you agree that Miami dropped because of the Arizona game, then you should
>also agree that they should improve with back-to-back victories over #3 and
>#5/7.  Miami didn't look great against Arizona, and were punished. 
>Washington didn't look great against Cal, while Miami look extremely 
>impressive in winning back to back games against top 10 opponents. (Ok, you
>want to argue that they didn't look impressive.. Fine.  However, how can
>you argue that what they accomplished wasn't impressive??  Oh yeah, I guess
>it is hard for Washington, as they haven't even really played much top 10 
>competition lately)

Don't get me wrong - I'm not taking anything away from what Miami did.
They did beat two top 10 teams.  Impressive.  However, my point still
is, if UW "didn't look great against Cal" but still won by 19, how much
do they have to win by to "look great"?

Lets put this another way.  It used to be that as long as a team didn't lose,
then they remained #1.  Well, this year Miami demonstrated that if you should
have lost, but didn't, then you also get dropped.  Well, now has Washington
just demonstrated that even if you win by 19 points, you get dropped?  Miami
played poorly agaist UA, and got punished.  What did the UW do *wrong* to
warrant being dropped from the #1 spot?  Or is there nothing UW could have
done this week to remain #1, i.e. they are not in control of their own
destiny *even when they win by 19 points*?

Cam
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: #1 team in the land
Keywords: canes, huskies, washington, alabama, michigan, miami, colorado...
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:15:16 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

wessir@stein.u.washington.edu (Bill the CAT) wrote:

}          Last year I could say the Huskies were absolutely the best team in
}the country without even seeing other teams play ...

Seemed to be a common point of view among the U-dub woofers last season ...

-- 
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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's....
Keywords: any impact players...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:51:54 GMT

Kevin Rodgers writes:
>
>What year was Jamelle Hollieway when he took over at OU after Troy
>Aikman's injury?  (Did I spell either of those names right?)  And Mike
>Gundy at Oklahoma State?

1985 for Hollieway (I can't spell it either) and 1986 for Gundy, although
I thought it was Freshmen who played *well* so I don't think Gundy counts.
Gundy was not bad, but not great either. (At the time we thought "He might
be pretty good by the time he's a senior" rather than "He's so good! I can't
believe he's just a freshman")

After all, Oklahoma State lost to Colorado that year, when losing to Colorado
was something to be ashamed of. After which Gundy said "I hope Colorado
enjoyed themselves today because they're not going to beat us again while
I'm here." 

Of course they did, when he was a senior. (And of course that quote was
pasted to the wall of the CU locker room.)

Teresa (I was at the OU-Miami game where Aikman broke his leg) Merklin
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Review(10-13-92)
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:55:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.073941@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>Colorado 6	Missouri 0
>
>It was a very windy and wet night in Columbia.  As defenses were
>aided by the weather.  The field didn't seem to be a factor.  CU
>kicked one FG in each half.
>
>No stats.

CU outgained mu something like 460-160.

>Texas 34	Oklahoma 24
>
>Gardere, UT's QB, made history by being the first QB to win four
>games in this series.  Gardere also broke Bobby Layne's record
>of 240yds passing with 274 of his own.  Mackovic won his first
>UT-OU game while Gibbs is 0-4.  Gibbs had pop, ice and beer thrown
>on him as he left the field through the tunnel.  Gibbs has no
>respect for those "idiots" and said they don't know the circumstances.
>Gibbs continued with,"We're not going to duplicate the hey-days of
>the 1980s.  We've got 71-72 players ... it might go down to 60
>after today."

It was nice knowin' ya, Gary.

>Oklahoma State 0	Nebraska 55
>
>This was a game as expected.  Grant passed for 2 and ran for 1 TD,
>while Jones ran wild over the Pokes(two carries for 90yds and 48yds).
>Osborne keeps his mastery over OSU intact(unbeaten in 20games).
>NU's QBs got to see action:Frazier, backup QB, threw for 2TDs;
>McMillen,6th string, ran for a TD.  But the wind played havoc for
>OSU:punts of 8yds and -4yds; while NU set a record punt of 87yds
>(old mark was 70yds in 1985).
>
>
>		OSU	NU
>1stdowns	7	21
>rush yds	56-155	51-366
>pass yds	0	140
>return yds	0	45
>pass		0-3-0	12-22-0
>punts		11-33	4-51
>fumbles-lost	2-2	1-0
>penalties	3-20	3-15
>time poss	31:12	28:48
>Att-76,116
>
>OSU	0	0	0	0	-0
>NU	13	21	14	7	-55

Can someone explain why, down 13-0 after one quarter, 34-0 after two,
and 48-0 after three, the Cowboys attempted just 3 passes the entire
game?!

>Rush	OSU-Williams 25-59, White 11-65, Franks 10-40
>	NU-Jones 7-176, Brown 18-72, Frazier 6-38
           ^^^^^^^^^^^ nice average: 25.1 yards/carry
                       (reminds me of Avery's Game 5 ERA: 108.0)

It seems to me that #11 NU, which has been beaten at #1 Washington and
blown out OSU in going 4-1, should be ranked ahead of #7 CU, which has
squeaked by Minnesota and Missouri to go 5-0.

>Sat(10-17)
>        OU @ CU
         ^^^^^^^          7:30 (MDT) ESPN
>        KU @ ISU
>        KSU @ UtahSt     2:00pm (CDT) KSNT
>        MU @ OSU
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Penn State Wooferama (NOT)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:00:08 GMT

In a previous article JLI wrote:

>	Did you see the struggles of Washington vs. USC or Texas A&M vs.
>T Tech?  What is your comment about them?  Penn State hasn't played a
>good team yet.  But Penn State didn't have any problems in handling
>Maryland and Temple.  Regarding the Cincinatti game,  there were more
>emotions than skills involved.  Remember last year, 81:0.  If it were a
>basketball game, it would be easier to accept.   But this is football.
>In my opinion, this kind of teams should be dropped to Division II.
>Furthermore,  Penn State will crush Miami this weekend for sure.  Any
>comment?      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry to burst you bubble but Penn State didn't even win much less "CRUSH"
Miami. Woof woof.


>	*******************
>	JLI  PENN STATE '90
>	*******************


And George M. Berberian quoted Rajiv Dhingra as he wrote:


In article <1992Oct6.215632.11840@ultra.com> rajiv@ultra.com (Rajiv Dhingra) writes:
>>-> After this Saturday when Cal upsets Washington and Penn State does the same
                                  ^^^^^^                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>-> to Miami, Penn State should then be ranked #1!!

>>A Penn State win would not be an upset, the Vegas line is 1 point
>>in their favor.

>>Rajiv

Yep and all the smart money went on Miami, since they beat them the point was
just a bonus. Keep betting against Miami, like Lee Corso, and you're sure to
go broke.

>HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO DRILL THIS INTO EVERYONES HEAD?
>I said it once, Sept.1st , Penn State will be National Champs by the end of the
>season. You can bet the whole farm on it. Just ask my uncle joe.
>For those of you who don't believe......just watch a game or two.
>See why it's so obvious. The only way this will NOT happen is injuries to 
>several key players. I have NO connections to the school, but follow PSU
>every year, since 1970. I thought they could have been number one last year.
>All thats left to say is: WE WILL SEE, won't we.


>George M.Berberian                                   College Computer Center


I watched a game there George, the Miami/Penn State game and guess what? PSU
didn't win, Miami did, surprise surprise. Oh well maybe next year....then again
maybe not.

All I've got to say is that the Miami Hurricanes proved to the entire USA and
the football world that they are the premier program in college football today.
Washington has a good football team but I don't see them playing top ranked
caliber teams on the road, or back to back the way Miami does. There is no 
better team in college football. That's all there is to it. Woof Woof.


John T.

P.S. I guess my prediction of 62-0 and then the ammendment of 42-14 didn't
quite come true. But a win is a win, and I'll take it.

J.T.
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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: One-sided Rivalries
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:21:04 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <70882@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jm21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Marks) writes:

> Do the Auburn people miss the
> old Wreck Tech pajama parade they had down there?

We still have some kind of parade, but its not the same.  I think its a
homecoming parade or something.  One of the frats (Fijis??) still paints
themselves purple and run around screaming like maniacs.  Ahh, tradition!

> 
> Interestingly, by the original setup, Tech was to play Auburn in 1992-3
> and Tennessee in 1994-5.  But we had to pick up FSU instead.

Hmm, and we picked Samford.  Sounds like a fair trade to me!!  :-)

Ok, ok, we actually picked up an extra SEC team, and would have played 
Samford too.  So I guess we traded Tech for Arkansas.  After this weekend,
I'm not sure I like the trade!!!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Originator: sbanerj@c00746-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: Sanjeev Banerjia
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:58:31 GMT


No, the 'Canes aren't winning pretty right now but they're still winning, on the
road against top 10 teams.  Some believe that if you don't win in a dominating
fashion, why win at all?  I don't follow that school of thought. I believe that
truly great teams will win even if they don't play anywhere close to their
potential.

Now, the Arizona game is hard to explain away, but I still think Miami is the
best team in the land and could beat the Huskies by 6-10 pts on the road.

Sanjeev
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Miss St 14, Auburn 7
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:01:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.073004.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I hope Pat Dye taped the MS-FL game.  I wonder if he can afford ESPN?

    Shhhhh David!  Don't let anyone down there hear you say "taped".
You'll be booted off-campus.  Can he afford ESPN?  Well, he *is* on
the board of directors at Colonial Bank, isn't he?

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From: atchison@dorothy.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Ohio State (WAS: Re: Ohio State Sucks!!!)
Keywords: Choke!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:41:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.160507.17144@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>Cooper did not fumble twice within the 5-yard line.
   "	 "   "	  "      "   within the 1-yard line, actually.  The 5-yard line
was last week.

>You could, however, fault Cooper for giving the ball to the same guy the
>2nd time in that situation who had already fumbled it, especially
>considering that he is a freshman.  Inexcusable.
NOT!

The first fumble was a mistake.  He got stripped.  Welcome to the Big 10.
The second fumble would have occurred no matter who was carrying the ball.
A good hit with the helmet on the ball woulda stripped Czonka.  And don't
forget that the freshman also scored a touchdown in the same situation in
between the 2 fumbles.  Isolating the freshman and destroying his confidence
would have been inexcusable.  Putting him back in was common sense.  Don't
get me wrong -- the 2 fumbles tore my heart out, but any other back would
have coughed it up on that tackle.  It's too bad they had to run the play
at all, since the correct call would have been touchdown the play before
(the pylon is part of the end-zone, and that was the first boundary marker
that Cothran touched).

>Now, here's a trivia question for you all:  what Big 10 team is the only
>one to date with no conference wins?  :^)

Sure as hell not the worst one.  Excuses?  Yeah, I got plenty.  But 6-2 (10-2)
is still in reach, and I'll just save 'em til then.

GO BUCKS!!!
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From: atchison@harp.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: John.Cooper.must.die.die.die
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:05:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Oct12.190533.24414
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

>In article <1992Oct12.174930.9839@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>In article <1bc98eINN3b3@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               ) writes:
>>>>> Anyway, back to my Cooper rant.  People hated Bruce because he took
>>12-0 teams and went 9-3.  We now have Cooper taking 10-2 teams and going 7-4.
>>Ah, well.  Who's available to coach
>>I recall most OSU fans said Bruce was a poor recruiter and the team would be
>>much better when Cooper has all of his recruits on the team.

>That is why I waited until this loss to Illinois to call for his head. I don't
>think there is much doubt that OSU recruiting has improved since Cooper became
>head coach.  This is his fifth year (right?), so this team should  be all his.
>I think the quality is there, but Cooper hasn't been able to put ita all 
>together, except for the Syracuse game.  Until this last loss I supported
>him, saying just wait a while for him to get it together.  But now, I fear
>that the people calling for his head over the past few years may have been
>right.  

The Illinois game, swung on some *major* turnovers, seems to me to be a strange
candidate for the straw that broke the Buckeye fan's back on Cooper.  Now the 
Wisconsin game was another story...

>	 The season isn't over yet, but it does not look good. 

No, it doesn't.  But (3-2)-> (4-2)-> (5-2)-> (6-2)-> (7-2)-> (8-2) going into
Michigan would sure perk things up.  Don't abandon ship yet, or we'll leave
you in the life raft after the boat is patched. ;^)

>								(this is why I
>like Miami, I have to have at least one winning team to woof for.)

...I'll leave this to others...

GO BUCKS!!!
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From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Big10 Odds?
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct8.173201.16791
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison

Could someone please post what the odds/line for the Big10 games
this week?  Including Penn State too... are they really favored
by 1 over Miama?

--
Johne
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Purdue Info?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:41:21 GMT
	<1992Oct12.123439.15311@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


Purdue's Jeff Hill is out for the game against Minnesota.  An ankle
injury, I believe.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Need words to Stanford fight song
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:44:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: well.yvonne.719012677
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In <1992Oct13.202919.18226@a.cs.okstate.edu> hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:

>Could someone quickly mail me the words to the Stanford fight song.
>Thanks in advance.

>Brad
Stanford has an official fight song, "Come, Join the Band," but only old
fart who don't like the band know it.

For all intents and purposes, the fight song is the pop song "All Right
Now," by Free.

P.S. I'llf let Adam tell you what the title is for Come, Join the Band in the
LSJUMB's sheet music.
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