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From: pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker)
Subject: Re: Dylan and Brenda
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:45:38 GMT

In article <17hrepINNose@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>>From what I have read, Shannen Doherty is very "difficult to get a long with".

 Shannen Doherty is a "CLASS A, NUMBER 1, POMPUS, ARROGANT, BITCH!!!!!!!"

	What the hell did the producers/director let her wear her 
<in a very snooty voice> six karrat(sp?) engagement ring on the show for.

She probably stomped and whined until they got sick of her and said...OK.

She needs a good hard f*ck to bring her to the ways of the world.
-- 
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From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: The New Season
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:28:54 GMT
Reply-To: nobody
Organization: not very organized

>>
>>Gosh I hate Brenda. 

>Another reason to hate Brenda: Shannen Doherty is a...
>REPUBLICAN!!! Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!! She went to the 
>GOP Convention and sat there like a little doll,
>shilling for the fascists. No wonder Luke Perry
>doesn't want to kiss her... she's been kissing
>Bush and Quayle!!! EEEEEWWW!

Yep.  That's probably why she wasn't invited to Gabrielle's (Andrea)
wedding.  And NO she didn't marry Luke Perry.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.90210,alt.tv.bh90210
From: glowe@nyx.cs.du.edu (Glen Lowe)
Subject: Re: marriage
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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.122605.19715@daimi.aau.dk> sjakob@daimi.aau.dk (Han
 Jakob Pedersen) writes:
>In <cornell.714756984@vivaldi> cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderkn
cht) writes:
>
>>>Luke Perry and the woman who plays Andria (sp?) are married, right ?
>>>I find that pretty amazing.
>>>
>>To each other?  No.  Gabrielle (Andrea) recently go married or is
>>getting married soon.  She was 30 at the time that an article (in Peopl
?)
>>was done recently.  She may be 31 now.
>
>Yes she is married :-{
>I saw a wedding picture of her in a magazine here in Denmark 3 weeks ago
 It
>also said, that she is 31.
>
>/sjakob
>
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Oh well... No loss...  Kelly is better looking. (but probably not as smart)
Glen Lowe
UC Irvine

Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,alt.tv.90210
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: marriage
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: NEC USA, Corporate Network Administration Division (Dallas, TX)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:52:30 GMT

lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:

>I watched it myself.  They came on, the reporter offered congratuations on
>their wedding, asked them what it was like dating someone on the same show
>and if they thought getting married would change the work situation, etc.
>-- 

Hmmm. Some scam they pulled on you then.
From: keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Dylan and Brenda
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:32:35 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug27.144538.13513@ulowell.ulowell.edu> pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker) writes:

>She needs a good hard f*ck to bring her to the ways of the world.

Give me a break you misogynistic asshole!  I think you need to have your
brain put in a milkshake maker!  Nobody, I don't care how much of a selfish
person they are, NOBODY "needs" a good hard fuck!  

I hope to the goddesses, that NO woman ever bothers to cross your path, if you
believe solving any problems whatsoever is by giving someone a hard fuck! 

It sounds like you need a cold shower!


>-- 
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>' )  ) but it is//by no/  ) means the most interesting. -- Dr. Who
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-- 
--Karin
keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Craig Shore)
Subject: Re: Steve and Andrea
Reply-To: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:51:26 GMT

In article <BtIn3s.CBH@ecf.toronto.edu>, funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai) writes:
>In article <17bpvcINNgjs@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> cmraman@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Focused on Infinity) writes:
>>
>>In article <1992Aug24.173231.15047@sal.wisc.edu> jjr@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Julie J. Roehre) writes:
>>>and Andrea is 35
>
>>I've never seen a precise age for Gabrielle Carteris, she keeps giving it
>>as "thirtysomething". She just got married a couple weeks back.
>
>According to the People magazine article in late 1991 featuring Doherty,
>Perry, and Priestly on the cover, Carteris was 30 at that time. It is
>reasonable to guess that she is presently 31. She actually got married a few
>months back. All cast members attended except for Doherty.

The 31 sounds right to me, from what i've read over here. (very little
 actually, I just like the program, don't usually read about it)

Gee, I wonder how she feels about being so old relative to the part she
 is playing, especially compared to the rest of the cast!


 Craig.

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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Dylan and Brenda
Date: 27 Aug 1992 06:07:21 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
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In article <92235.182140U36345@uicvm.uic.edu> U36345@uicvm.uic.edu (Lisa A. McGraw) writes:
>I heard somewhere (probably in the National Inquirer???) that Luke Perry
>was really tired of working with Shannen Doherty, and had always wanted to
>"work" with Jennie Garth, so he worked it with the writers to break Dylan
>and Brenda up.

	Yeah, I heard that it's gotten so bad that he is now refusing
	to do any more love scenes with Doherty....

>From what I have read, Shannen Doherty is very "difficult to get a long with".

	It's better than that; she sounds like a king-shit bitch.
	Evidently she was the only member of the BH cast not invited 
	to Gabriel Whatshername's wedding. And there are a lotta other
	stories about her also (Help me here barb, you're the gossip
	queen...)


		-Karl


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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Dylan and Brenda
Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:46:56 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
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	Ooops, I forgot to include the =B^) on this posting... It
	*Was* intended to be a joke....


		-Karl, who's havin' a bad day....

 
In article <1806l8INNeb1@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.203235.25716@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> keb3_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker) writes:
>>
>>Nobody, I don't care how much of a selfish
>>person they are, NOBODY "needs" a good hard fuck!  
>
>	Hey, who are you to be telling other people what they need?
>
From: tmark@cognet.ucla.edu (Terence Mark)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: The New Season
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:56:15 GMT
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program

In article <lacl0jINNrm2@male.EBay.Sun.COM> barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.204859.7280@ac.dal.ca> whare@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>Gosh I hate Brenda. 
>
>Another reason to hate Brenda: Shannen Doherty is a...
>REPUBLICAN!!! Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!! She went to the 
>GOP Convention and sat there like a little doll,
>shilling for the fascists. No wonder Luke Perry
>doesn't want to kiss her... she's been kissing
>Bush and Quayle!!! EEEEEWWW!
>

It figures that Clinton and the Democrats would be more appealing to
90210's viewers. After all, Clintons whole *life* reads like a 90210 
script. And there I was, thinking the show was unrealistic. I bet Bill
must have just *loved* the recent 'sugar daddy' episode. If you squint
your eyes the guy did look like Bill, and the girl did look like Genny..
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: Jayne M Cubilla <jcubilla@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Competition
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:07:52 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Does anyone know the time slot for BH90210 for Fall?  If they are against 2000 
Malibu, they may have a hard time.

Although the 2000 characters are older (drawing an older following), the 
casting of Drew Barrymore may be the strong point.

Anyone else see 2000? (I realize this is a 90210 group, sorry if I offend 
anyone).
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: rmills@controls.ccd.harris.com (Richard C. Mills)
Subject: Re: Whom should they "kill" off 90210?
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:40:59 GMT

	Kill off Donna, and she's not pretty? I think Donna's the
prettiest one on the show.  But it would be nice to see Brenda
killed off.  Maybe have her commit suicide because her parents
wouldn't let her buy a car....


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: morrison@eng.auburn.edu (Kelly Morrison)
Subject: Explaining Peaks to the uninitiated...?
Reply-To: morrison@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:02:45 GMT


How do you explain Twin Peaks to someone who doesn't know anything
about it???

   I'm ready to see "Fire..." on Friday, but my girlfriend knows NOTHING
about Twin Peaks (she thought it was some medieval series about princes,
etc. (?!) Don't know WHERE she got that idea from!). Anyway, I thought
I'd give her a crash course by renting the TP pilot, but it didn't work:

   "Okay, this is the pilot from the TV series. Now when the one-armed man
pops up, forget everything after that, because it didn't really happen.
Who's the dancing midget with the funny voice? Um, he's a vision Cooper
has from time to time -- what? No, Coop's not insane. Well, not yet, anyway.
No, he STILL hasn't solved the case after 25 years. I know, the one-armed 
man's talking about Mike and Bob, but he's not talking about Mike and Bobby. 
Mike and Bobby are a**holes while Mike and Bob are supernatural forces 
-- ok, ok, so they're supernatural forces that can be shot by normal 
bullets. But only in this version -- remember, all this never really 
happened. NO, they are NOT silver bullets -- you're thinking of werewolves.
Now, the movie on Friday will END where this movie BEGAN. Got that? No? 
Oh well..."

   One more thing: she was in tears throughout most of the first half of
the pilot. Does anyone out there who's seen "Fire..." think it will be
too much for her? I remember how chilling the episode with Maddy and Bob
was, and I'm wondering how terrifying Lynch can be without the Broadcast
Standards & Practices people on his back. That episode was probably the
closest we'll ever see of a TV equivalent of the infamous "Psycho" shower
scene -- it was downright frightening without crossing over the line into
gore.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: jjc4@po.CWRU.Edu (James J. Campanella)
Subject: Spoilers & quibbles
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 23:56:38 GMT


____________
>   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
>the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
>before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?
___________

The impression that I got was that he was waiting for something to happen

in reality that happened in his dream that we had heard about earlier. 

And I think that it was a foretelling of the evil Bob doppleganger that

would eventually show up. It's almost as if we're watching Jefferies (as

a ghost) walk by and enact something that he would do in the future. Tha

is, at some point in the future when the evil Bob doppleganger would be

in Philly, Jefferies would show up up and accuse him of not really being

Cooper. Um, I guess you could say Jefferies was a "time echo" of the coming

sequel-- if it ever comes. Any comments? Is this off the wall?
-- 
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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Fire Walk With me is great... no question
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:19:44 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Saw FWWM Friday night (it was in a neighboring city). Here are my thoughts:

The film was beautiful. I loved it. 

Let's face it, the critics are panning it because they are fools with no souls.
They all have feet of clay, how could they possibly understand a brilliant 
piece of work like that? They want movies like _Ghost_ or _Home Alone_, stupid 
movies (apologies to anyone who liked these flicks) with a plot your average 
five year old would sneer at. I don't care that the critics panned it, because 
all they want is mediocre anyway. If Twin Peaks hadn't been the trendy thing 
to watch back in the beginning,they'd have panned it then; the only reason 
they didn't was because everyone else said it was great.

Let's face it, Lynch made that movie for *us*, the die hard, dyed in the wool
fans who tried to keep the show alive, and who discuss it still. In my opinion,
the film was his way of saying "Thank You" to all of us who supported the show.
I think that, right from the beginngng (when they showed the TV that was tuned
to a channel off the air...get it?) Lynch was saying "I made this for you."

The film *did* have its flaws ( we would all have liked to see this or that
character a bit more), but I think Lynch did what he could for us. I think the
people who are saying "It's just another drug adiction movie" are foolish. Think
about it. "just another" drug addiction? What kind of a statement is that?

Two years ago, the critics loved TP because it was "realistic". The movie 
followed the same vein, and now they're panning it because it's depressing.
The bloody movie deals with incest, rape, drug addiction, murder, and they want
JOKES?

The critics sneered at __EraserHead__, until Lynch became trendy. Then they 
decided he was a visionary, and their opinion of that film changed, or at least
they kept their philistine opimions to themselves. Now they are just moving with
the rest of the flock. It's that simple.

I'm sorry if this is incoherent, but it isn't that often I find a film I really
like, and it burns me when the critics act like a bunch of sheep. They knew what
the movie was about when they went in, and they were still too stupid to 
understand. All they want is 10,000 episodes of _Who's the Boss_ to turn their 
putrid little brains into third grade oatmeal. Quite frankly, all the critics 
can go straight to hell. I thought the film was magic. It was wonderful. It 
broke through the cynical shell I built around myself, grabbed hold of me and 
didn't let go for the whole length of the movie. The movie made me *feel*.
My heart almost broke at the end, and I felt *good*, knowing things will be 
alright for Laura and Coop. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll 
remember  and treasure that film for the rest of my life.


ANyway, that's what I think.
Later!
Mike
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Coop as Christ and Laura's Angel (was more on Gormonbozia)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:27:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <KWH.92Sep1121515@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU>, kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin
Hartmann) wrote:
> >   like the giant did. Also, the dwarf wears a red suit-- am I reaching,
> >
> >   or what?
> 
> I choose 'what'.   I believe the "Waiting Room" is purgatory.  In purgatory
> God is absent but angels need not be.  We of course see at least one angel 
> (Laura's guardian angel) there.  Lucifer (the fallen angel) would be another.  
> One more would be Cooper's guardian angel (the giant).  

Interesting idea. The waiting room is purgatory in the RC mythos. I think
you've got something there. More below.
 
> Laura's guardian angel is a quite classical one.  She puts up with quite 
> a lot before she gives up trying to help Laura.  Yet when Laura has gone 
> through enough pain and suffering in purgatory, she returns.
> 
> The abandonment of Laura's angel is symbolized when the angel fades in the 
> picture.  This happens due to Laura's choosing.  It's when she decide's to
> let Bob enter her.

I think you're wrong about this.  Laura never decided to let BOB enter her.
In fact, in the shooting script she specifically asks Leland to kill her so
it won't happen. Also, in his deathbed speech, Leland claims L was too
strong for them.
I think the disappearance of the angel is a symbol of her dispair and maybe
a warning to repent and ask for help before it is too late, but not that
the angel has actually abandoned her.  Note however, that Ronette's angel
only appears when she repents and starts praying.  You have to ask for
help. Laura didn't, probably because she was so far gone, it never occured
to her.

Now, why does the angel appear in the waiting room?  I think it is because
of Coop.  Coop is the Christ figure that decends into the underworld in
order that others might be saved.  I believe this is actually part of one
of the creeds 'who decended into hell' etc. In going after Annie he is more
like Orpheus, but he is also Christ like.
 
> I remember an angel helping someone in FWWM also.  But I can't remember the
> situation.  Does anyone else?

Catherine after returning from her disappearance after the fire.
 
-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: A few thoughts on FWWM (semi-spoilers)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 28 AUG 92 22:29:55 GMT

I saw FWWM today, Friday, at the matinee showing.  These are a few thoughts, 
without really giving away any important/interesting moments.  Semi-spoilers, 
though, if you don't want to have any preconceived notions at all.


                         Very Odd Film.


Had a very different "feel" than the TV show.  Most music was totally
different (mostly mellow jazz).  Mostly all about Laura and Leland Palmer.
It seemed to be "missing" part of the story, like much was edited out.
No major stuff, but some parts of the "supporting" story started and never
finished.  Didn't have much of the "funky oddness" of the TV-show.

The story was basically what we already knew.  A few more details about
Theresa Banks (the first murder, from a year before Laura).  David Bowie
seemed to play a VERY interesting character (time-travelling FBI agent,
give or take), but had absolutely NOTHING to do with the story.  Most
other new characters were a bore.

I really liked Moira Kelly as Donna.  I thought Ray Wise (Leland) was
great.  Bobby was a riot.  Laura's mother screamed a lot.  The ceiling
fan was, of course, a big hit.  No cherry pie, some coffee, no donuts.

The violence wasn't nearly as bad as people were talking about.  If
you've seen any gangster film, you've seen worse.  Its filmed in a way
some people might take it too hard, but its not aweful.  I wonder if anything
has been cut out since it was shown at Cannes.

I won't give away any real details in case you decide to see it.  I was
glad I saw it.  I didn't go out saying "wow, that was incredible!" like
I did when I saw the TV-pilot.  The movie was long (2:20), but although
many scenes were excessively long, I didn't feel the movie dragging.
It is a -totally useless- film for anyone who didn't follow the series
for at least the first several episodes.  There's very little character
development in the film.

..Very Odd


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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM: Soundtrack available?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:40:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias) writes:

>Dear fellows,

>does somebody of you know if there's a soundtrack of FWWM available?

>I really liked the music - especially in this canadian club...

It is available here in the USA on CD and tape, I saw it in a local
store just last weekend.


-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
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