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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Attention!!! All Readers in Chicago Area
Supersedes: <92209.123514U35152@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 27 Jul 1992 14:29:27 CDT
From: <U35152@uicvm.uic.edu>

Hi! Every body!
I am organizing a trip to Washington D.C. from Chicago, I would like all of you
participate. The trip will only cost $125 per person which includes a round
trip bus fare and a night staying at Howard Johnson Hotel in Washington D.C.
(two people share a room). We will visit the White House and all the museums
you want to visit in that area. The bus which has 47 seats is fully equipted
with restrooms, TVs, VCRs and its fully insured. When we get to Washinton D.C.,
te bus will take us wherever we want to go.  The schedule of visiting will be
released after I receive commands from all of you. All the suggestions will be
appreciated and taken into consideration. I didn't decide which date we should
go. Since we all are hard working students, I think we should go during the
weekend. The bus will departure at 6:30pm friday night at Chicago Circle Center
of University of Illinois at Chicago (Halsted & Polk). We will arrive at
Wahington D.C. at about 7:00am on Saturday morning, then we will visit The
White House at 10:00, we 'll stay at Howard Johnson Hotel for saturday night,
two full days to see the beautiful capital,we 'll leave for Chicago at 7:00pm
and we should be back to CCC at UIC around 7:00Am Monday morning.On the bus,
We 'll see Chinese movies, play pokers, and the best of all we 'll be together
again all of us who come from China. My motivation to organize this trip is to
make our stay in America more interesting and happier. I am sure this trip will
provide lots of opportunities to make friends and share our similar or differen
t experiences. Interested? Tell all your friends about it. please contact me at
(312) 808-0396 (Home)
(312) 478-3869 (Leave a message)
(312) 996-2752 (Work)
e-mail u35152@uicvm.uic.edu
Shaohua Liang      Looking forward to all your replies.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal)
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:37:12 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul27.165935.1577@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
|> In article <yzhou.712266040@void>, yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
|> >   As I recall, there has never been a Chinese Summer Olympics athlete charged
|> >   with any kind of steroid using by IOC, controversially, some American athletes
|> >   have be banned because of using steroid. 
|> 
|> I think there are cases when Chinese are tested positive, BUT it was because
|> the athletes took some traditional Chinese flu-killer (Su4 Xiao4 Shang1 Feng1
|> Jiao1 Nang2, fast cold relief sapsule) which should not have steriods.  I heard
|> of this in 1985 or so.  It is said that the national team then decided to avoid
|> these flu-killers during the training sessions and the games.
|> 
|> Any use of steriods by Chinese athletes?  I have never heard of.
|> 

It might be those journalists have too much steroids...

Lin Can
                                          

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:35:35 GMT

There are so many cool people following this "Break" line, I have to think 
of retirement since they all car experts, while I only touched steers
three times. :-(

In article <1992Jul29.210212.13029@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>... (some old stuufs are deleted)
>
>You apparently lost your own reseasoning after reading one-side 
>story, which can be very true in some sense.
>
>Tell you one thing you should always keep in your mind: Western 
>countries are always tring to dump out-of-date to the developing 
                                               ^ stuffs

>countries, at the same time that they move chemical plants to
>these countries! US is very tough in exporting Hi-Tech products 
>to China, including computers. They dumped a lot of 70s computers 
>to China in late 80s, but in CHEAP PRICES.
                    ^ and still more ones are sent there.

>The production lines from Japan and Germany are almost exclusively
>10-20 years those in the same two coutries. The Cheng2Tao4She4Bei4
           ^ behind     

>( whole installments) are usually those out-of-date and/or need-
>to-change stuffs in these countries. 
>
>Do you expect that first class products are imported to China?
                         ^only  

Like airplanes, MDs and BOEINGs, etc.

>What is the bussiness for? All parts get somethings they need.
>That's all.
>
>Wake up! You have to accept the reality.

The topic should be switched to "How to get a poor car with much less
money?" before we know the details of the deal.      :-(

CASE SETTLED.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao)
Subject: Re: 79 war against Vietnam (Re: No Dogs or Chinese)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.201427.26259@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.192236.1@cc.utah.edu> danjiong@cc.utah.edu writes:
>>The ultimate goals of 79's invasion, from my understanding, were 
>>
>>     1). to punish Vietnam's betrayal behavior ( sided with Russian) 
>>
>>     2). to prevent the falling of Pol Pot's regime, the bloodiest
>...
>>     Therefore, That was a war about the Face. 
>....
>>     Did the action accomplish its goal ? I doubted. The war did not
>.....
>
>I thought the war was to establish Deng Xiaoping himself as the
>leader of China and to get rid of Great Leader Chairman Hua. They
>did accomplished that goal, for their credit. 
>
>But the people of Vietman and China were both suffered, specially
>those deaded ones.

From my point of view, that war was unnecessary at all. In 1979, I was in
Kunming, one miles from my campus, there was a army hospital and my friends
and I used to go there to watch free movies. When I saw the wounded soldiers,
I was very sad. At that time, I was still very young (less than 20 years 
old), but when I met those kids (I mean KIDS) who lost their arms and legs,
I felt very sad for them and their families. Some of these kids still had
baby faces and they had been in the army only for couple of months. Some 
wounded soldiers might be around 17 or 18 years. At that time, I was 
wandering why they needed to sacrifice their bodies, but never got any
answer. 

The main reason fro that war was to save the Pol Pot's regime, not for our
own purpose. What a stupid war it was!
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: MINORITY RIGHTS IN CHINA
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:06:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul21.162930.16474@nntp.hut.fi>, ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
writes:
>
>As far as I know, compared with Han's, minorities can enter universities
>with less scores in the National University Entance Examination. They can
>also have more than one babies while Han's usually cannot. Minorities
>regions receive heavy financial aids from Beijing, while many Han dominated
>provinces are heavily taxed by Beijing.
>

these are all window dressing policies designing to showcase
communist's doctrine of brotherly love and unity. when you
are talking about minority rights, you have to look at 1) how
many high level officials who are making crucial decisions are
of minority origin or 2) how autonomous those minority regions
are. another word, do they have a voice in determining their
cultural, economical and political development. if you consider
these criteria, the ccp regime is no where near in granting
a consistant minority right policy, or anybody's rights, for that
matter. now han chauvinism comes in right here: if you are
talking about human rights( translation: han rights), that's
fine. about the minority rights, well, they already got those
preferential treatments.

even those treatments are debatable:
for instance, about so called "heavy financial aids", we don't
really have a figure of what fraction of gnp the ccp spend for
this purpose. we do know however, those regions are havily
mineral rich, not to mention the strategic importance like
nuclear testing, etc. "more than one babies", well, 99% of
the population is of han ethenic. the han screwed up and anybody
else has to suffer too? actually, many minority groups suffered
a population decline. "lower score on university entrance exam":
when i went to school a decade ago, the guy who scored lowest
total points among 150 persons in our department was from
llasa, tibet. alas, he is a han too. a girl from xingjiang is
also a han.

the chinese society is a highly monolithic environment. people
just don't know how to handle anything that is different. when
i grew up in chengdu, there are quite a few tibetans went to
school in a nearby minority college. all we hear was about
their barbaric habits, their fighting with knifes, etc. i never
once met a tibetan. yet the rumors was with me as i moved around.
only when i came to the states and becomes a foregner, a minority
myself, did i realize how absurd and ugly xenophobia and racism
are. it's two way street. on one side, we are at the recieving
end of racism, and sometime its victim. on the other hand,
many of us harbors racism in our own heart toward other people.
that's one of the reasons why we can hardly fit in anywhere
outside.
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:48:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <9207231916.AA04486@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
->
->          I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
->          see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 
->
->          I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
->          think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
->          and lively.  

I disagree with you.  Her characters are very fictitious.  The stories
are usually out of touch with reality.

Her stories are very moving though.  They will be greatly enjoyed by
dreamers.  I read over a dozen of her books (quite a while back, I was
a dreamer then :-).  Later I discovered Yi4 Shu1's books.  Her stories
are much more close to reality, nothing fancy.


->
->          She has another book called "ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2," which
->          has the profound sense of history.  And it comes from the
->          beginning statement of 3 Guo:
->
->              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4
->               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong."
->
->          (The earth still rotates, although sometimes we miss the
->          sun).

Is that what it means?  I thought it means that time passes by, the
earth remains the same, but people changes.

->
->          By the way, is Gone with Wind by women?  It is among the
->          best books I have ever read.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gm2@cec1.wustl.edu (Guo Mian)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:34:04 GMT

>>to the world that when it came to overseas adventurism, it was just a paper
>>tiger.  No doubt remains that it was the Vietnamese who taught the PRC a
>>lesson, because  since its embarrasment in 1979, the People's Liberation Army
>>have been busy making itself a much leaner, meaner, fighting force. 
>>Nevertheless though, the PLA's inmeptitude and Vietnam's victory made the 
>>nations of East and Southeast Asia breathe a little easier - particularly the
>>KMT government in Taiwan!!!
>>  
>>Andrew Papadimos.

Indeed. Viatnamese are not "vegetarian", especially in jungle battle field.
However, I don't see Southeast Asia has any reason to breathe a little easier.
Fairly speaking, all five nations of ASEA putted altogather are not Vietnamese'smatch.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mvelasco@fraser.sfu.ca (Matthew Velasco)
Subject: Tourism in China
Summary: Tourism in China
Keywords: tourism, china
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:01:34 GMT

Hi!  I need some help in getting interesting information of tourism in China.
I am doing a short presentation in school regarding this matter.  It would
help if you could drop me a line or two on how things (regarding tourism)
are there.  (Anything that would (maybe) put a zing to my presentation).
If you read this on Wednesday, too late, but thank you very much for 
taking time to read this.

Please e-mail directly to my account: mvelasco@sfu.ca

Thank you very much in advance.  Xie! Xie!

Matthew
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:18:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Jul27.051847.20648
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

>>A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
>>the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
>>in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 
>
>    I know Tsinghua has a indoor swiming pool even in 50's. Imagine how many
>luxury hotels in China, most of them have indoor swimming pool. 

If the original author meant to say 60 Olympic standard swimming pools,
which also have diving pools aside, he could be very close. He did say 10
diving schools in the same sentence. There are not many pools in China that can
hold meets and have records that acceptable by Olympic Committees.
From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rock Concert in Bejing
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:16:55 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1992Jul22.203244.29880@u.washington.edu> liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.131049.2006@newstand.syr.edu> polar@top.cis.syr.edu (Polar Humenn) writes:
>>(stuff deleted)
>
>I watched a piece of news couple of months age here in Seattle. A local band 
>(Rock) from Seattle went to China to perform and they were invited by some
>organizations in China, however, they never got a chance to perform live in
>front of the audience. Because the goverment did not want these Americans
>say something that is not welcome by the government, the band was forced to
>record their song before each performance and then they did lipsinging during
>thr performance. They went all the ways from Beijing to Guangzhou and they
>never got a chance to "perform".
>
>The band members were talking about their unique experience of their trip in
>China on TV. Just for your information. It will be real nice if your friend
>can really get the CHANCE to do so, but I am afriad the same thing will
>happen. 

There were some famous singers touring China more than ten years ago,
when China first opened her door, like John Denver, WHAM, etc.
They played more soft music, and they were pretty famous in U.S.
I think they really got a chance to "perform".

The problem with the local band is that they are not famous, easy to
manipulate. And who knows who they are, they might be CIA agents.
If some really big name like Jackson or Madonna want to visit China,
the government will either shut the door or kiss their asses.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: A Dirty War (Was Re: No Dogs or Chineses)
Reply-To: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:43:26 GMT

In article <13664@mindlink.bc.ca>, Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu> (22 Jul 92)
>Chunde Shi writes,
>
>> 2. Another objective [of 1979 Sino-Vietnam Border War] was to stop Vietnam
>> abuse ethnic Chinese, which resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China
>> alone.
>
>    You'd better expand your source of information beyond the scope of your
>trusted People's Daily.  Do you know the Khmer Rouge had wiped out the ethnic
>Chinese in Cambodia?  A great part of refugees were actually from Cambodia.
>(By the way, where this number 300,000 comes from?  People's Daily?  :-)
>But have you ever seen CCP say anything to protest it?  CCP is still the
>best friend of the Khmer Rouge, isn't it?
>
>    The objective of this dirty war is to rescue the murderous Khmer Rouge.
>To CCP's dismay, Vietnam didn't bother to move its army to the north.  Stop
>abuse of ethnic Chinese?  Can any informed netter tell me even a single event
>in which the lives of overseas Chinese were weighted in CCP's foreign policy?

     No,CCP even doesn't care about its own people's life inside,how can CCP
weights people's life outside on its foreign policy? I agree that the purpose
of 1979 Sino-Vietnam Border War is to:
	1. Help Khmer Rouge 
	2. Give Vietnam a lesson as Deng said.At that time,CCP was really angry
that Vietnam who had received so much help from CCP would stand with the Bear
and challenge CCP.
     I don't think that CCP's real objective is to take over Vietnam in the
first place.
BTW, I hate that war!
From: b4k@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Ming Luo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Steroid (and more)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:14:19 GMT

> >There are many discussions about steroid (or other drugs) use lately and it
> >seems many people are enjoying talking about this. Great.  But please keep
> >--Andy
> 
> Seems reasonable. But your can only proove that EVERYONE is possible to
> use drugs. The strangest thing is that when Chineses win the medals, they
> have to face more rumors and accusations. That's unfair.
> I am very curious about Chinese shooters: what kind of drugs did they use?

 If it was true that Chinese swimmers used drugs, how come we do not see
any MALE swimmers in the finals? Why no track runners?

	Americans will always be Americans. Hope they do not all get bold.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:03:47 GMT

Tuya wrote:
>         The original is:

              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."

         (unacceptable translation deleted) 
          I realize that Jiangshan does not mean Dynasty, rather, it
          means the 3-D world.  

          By the way this poem states the relation between time and 
          the 3-D world and society.  Time is relatively fast, so
          is the history, but the physical 3-D space is sorta slow. 
          Luo Guan Zhong may quality to be the first socio-physicist
          in that sense

Then, correct translation should be:

	The 3-D world seems keeping the same beautiful, but
	the 4th dimension is extending to infinity without any noise.

Better than yours, Eh?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Require: GB to Big5 conversion
From: mmmdyx@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Dingyi Xu)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:53:05 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

The subject is obvious. 
I recently got a Chinese Windows 3.0 and it is quite good except that this
program only reads Big5 not GB files. If anyone on the net got the conversion
program or know where is available, please drop me a line.
Many thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dtc9h@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Thomas Croft)
Subject: Chinese Protection Bill
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:45:20 GMT

Regarding the `Chinese Protection Bill' and those who are 
misrepresenting it and who use scar tactics to silence opposition:

Expressing an opinion regarding a piece of legislation is not a crime --
especially if the President of the United States agrees with you opposition
to S1216. A number of Congressman also have doubts about the bill and are
attempting to kill it. The FBI are not political police nor are the CIA. 
(Incidentally, the former CIA Director, George Bush, is unhappy with the
bill himself.) 

The BILL (S1216) DOES NOT INCREASE the QUOTA for Chinese nationals. It
just favors one group over another. READ THE BILL! Everyone who gets
a blood card takes away a card from someone else.
             -----------------------------------

Lobbying does make a difference. Don't let the few who know how to play
politics rob the many.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: juntian@rice.edu (Jun Tiab)
Subject: Barcelona Olympics: Medal Standings
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 16:12:06 CDT


Through Sunday's Events
                              Gold Silver Bronze Tot.
Unified Team                  2    0       0      2
China                         1    3       0      4
United States                 1    1       1      3
Hungary                       1    1       0      2
Bulgaria                      1    1       0      2
Australia                     1    0       1      2
Germany                       1    0       1      2
South Korea                   1    0       0      1
France                        0    1       1      2
Sweden                        0    1       1      2
Italy                         0    1       0      1
Yugoslavia                    0    0       1      1
Finland                       0    0       1      1
Holland                       0    0       1      1
Romania                       0    0       1      1
From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: About Jie4 Zhong3
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:31:48 GMT
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <9207301903.AA17703@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:

<           In the worst case, we can turn to genetic engineering.   
<           Another thing is that China has many wu3 xue2 ming2 jia1.
<           We should have them teach basketball players, as long
<           as you know qing1 gong1, no Magic Johnson is going to be a
<           problem.  
< 

Tie3 bu4 shan1 or zhan1 yi1 18 die3 should be more effective. 


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J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de