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From: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Apple //e (DOS, ProDOS) programs on Mac?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 18:55:59 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu


The program you're thinking of is called ][-in-a-Mac, published by some
educational outfit in South Carolina.  Unfortunately, this thing is
_ancient_, and only emulates a //e with 64K ROMs.  I don't have any more
information on it, but I do know it's listed in the Macintosh Products
Registry, published by McGraw-Hill.  (You can also find the Registry on
GEnie.)  I know of no SW/PD solution otherwise.

If you have a Macintosh LC or LC II, you can install the //e card ($115
educational discount I think) and daisy-chain up to 4 external floppy
drives off of it.  The installation disks also include a system extension &
a control panel (?) that allow you to mount ProDOS disks on the DeskTop.
You can also install a ProDOS partition on your hard drive.
(WARNING--installing the ProDOS partition requires reformatting the disk.)

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From: gkm@cc.uow.edu.au (Glen K Moore)
Subject: Quicktime - will it run on a Powerbook100?
Summary: I cannot get quicktime to run on my PB100. It seems to install
Keywords: Quicktime Powerbook
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:09:49 GMT

When I install quicktime on my PB100 it seems to do so OK but when I
restart I get a message saying QT cannot run on this machine. 
Is this so? Is there a way to get it to run?

Glen
gkm@cc.uow.edu.au
From: tkwoo@acs.ucalgary.ca (Tom Kwong Woo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Annoying click on PowerBook
Summary: Want extension so PB doesn't turn off sound chip
Keywords: Powerbook sound
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:23:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Hello,

When ever a sound is generated on my powerbook 160 there is an 
annoying click.  I understand this occurs when the sound chip is
turned on.  I realize that the sound chip is turned off when it is
not in use in order to conserve battery power.  Is there anyway
that I can keep it on all the time?  I.e.  is there an extension or
control panel device the keeps the sound chip running all of the time?

Thanks
Tom Woo
tkwoo@zinc.chem.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mark@cheers.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Subject: Re: anyone know how "Satori" works on the "After Dark" porogram?
Organization: Simulacron I
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:21:02 GMT

I can't tell you the exact algorithm, but I can tell you the basic
way in which Satori works.

The appearance of movement in Satori is done by cycling the color
table.  This can be done fairly easily by generating a color table
in your program and then inserting the colors into the Apple's
color table.  To get the movement effect, simply push the stack down
by one, pop off the bottom color, and place the color onto the top
of the stack (or vice versa).  As the colors move, so does the illusion
of the picture moving.

The "points" on the screen which you see are really the starting
points for the drawing.  These points can be predefined based upon
what kind/type of screen you are trying to draw.  The entries into
the places on the screen are used to radiate out, usually in a
circular pattern, the numbers of what colors are to go where.  So
you could do the following:



     66666666666665432123456
     65555555555565432223456
     65444444444565433333456
     65433333334565444444456
     65432222234565555555556
     65432121234566666666666
     65432222234566666666666
     65433333334566666666666
     65444444444566666666666
     65555555555566666666666
     66666666666666666666666

Now, granted, 1-6 isn't the same as 0-255, but you get the idea I
think.  Once everything is in place, you simply cycle the color
table and you get a ripple/wave effect which radiates out from the
points (here represented by the "1"s).

Note that the numbers don't change (ie:1 does not become 2, etc...)
but that the entry in the color table changes which _makes_ it
appear as if you had changed the colors all over the screen.  This
is a much faster way to do this than trying to find and update all
of the colors on the screen.

An an example of this, use the Multimodule option in AfterDark.
Create a Multimodule with Satori behind a picture and watch the
results.

I hope this helps. :)
From: howarth@med.uth.tmc.edu (Jack W. Howarth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: At Ease, System 7.1 an DOS Mounter 3.01
Date: 8 Nov 1992 04:09:33 GMT


  Has anyone noticed a problem with using At Ease (under System 7.1 in my
case) with DOS Mounter 3.01? When I set the At Ease control panel to turn
on At Ease as startup, I get a system error during the boot process. It
seems independent of which cdev loads first as well as whether I have
32 bit mode or VM on. Thanks for any info.
          Jack

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From: dranidis@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Dimitris Dranidis)
Subject: Transfer an 3MB file on 1.4 MB Discs?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:54:37 GMT

Hallo Mac-netters,

I have ftp-ed an hqx file which is almost 3.1MB in hex and 2.2MB in 
bin format.  I can only copy the file from a workstation to my MAC 
with 1.4 Floppy dics.  What should I do?  

Thanks in advance,

Dimitris

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Subject: Re: This is not a Mac disk...?!
Reply-To: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Organization: World Vision U.S.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 16:34:01 GMT

In article <92309.214150FCTY7402@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Andrew Ball <FCTY7402@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>Forgive a "newbie" a FAQ, but I am stumped.  This Mac disk, which contains Mac
>files, (Pagemaker, Word, etc...) is no longer readable.  My (new) Mac wants to
>format it.  Would Disk FirstAid help ?
>
Disk First Aid is OK, if it's the only utility you've got.  I would
suggest you hunt up Norton Utilities and use the Norton Disk Doctor to
see what's wrong, then use Unerase to recover any files.  

But for a cheaper RealityCheck: can another Mac read the disk?  I have
seen several cases in which a Mac Classic choked on a disk that was
perfectly readable by a Mac Plus.

Art

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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Help needed-- printing over AppleTalk under MultiFinder
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:20:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Posting for a friend who is having difficulty.  She has an SE/30
with I think 8 MB RAM, connected to a LaserWriter via AppleTalk.
She can print just fine under Finder, but under MultiFinder, the
PrintMonitor informs us that the document is damaged and can't be
printed.

This problem occurs with both MacWrite and Microsoft Word.

Can anybody suggest what might be wrong, and how it can be fixed?
(We checked available memory...  There's plenty.  Disk space, too.)

E-mail responses are preferred.

Thank you very much.

Tony
From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Apple //e (DOS, ProDOS) programs on Mac?
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:14:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov12.001420.14322
Organization: University of Washington

I'd heard there was a way to run Apple //e-type programs on the Mac, assuming
one can get them on a 3.5" disk first.  Is there such a utility/program/init/
whatever that will let me do this, and if so, where can I get it?  (FTPable?)

Thanks...

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From: farber@linc.cis.upenn.edu (David Farber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: The product CPU and Duo 230 and big Dock
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:01:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



When I try to use it in my system it hangs the machine solid. Any ideas?

Dave
David Farber; Prof. of CIS and EE, U of Penn, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6389 Tele:
215-898-9508(off); 215-274-8292 (home); FAX: 215-274-8293;  Cellular:  302-740-
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From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: Re: Beagle - Bros.
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:31:24 GMT

There is no good dim sum in Michigan! 

  pg> MacWeek reported that Beagle Bros is going out of business.
  pg> 
  pg> --  Michael Peirce      --   peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org --  Peirce
  pg> Software     --   Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place --                    
  pg> --   San Jose, California USA 95117 --  Makers of...        --  
  pg> voice: (408) 244-6554 fax: (408) 244-6882 --            SMOOTHIE  --  
  pg> AppleLink: peirce & America Online: AFC Peirce
  pg> 
  pg> --- Squish v1.01
  pg>  * Origin: zeus.ieee.org * [140.98.1.1]  (1:107/10)

Not really. BeagleWorks is going to WordPerfect Corp. Let's say they are
regrouping.

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From: Alec Plumb <aplumb@ucsd.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Where is Palomar Software
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:56:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego - IGPP
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 00:03:40 GMT

Does anybody know how I can get in touch with Palomar Software?

They make a driver for an HP pen-plotter...
(Please Reply via e-mail)

Thanks,

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From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple Unit Sales to Pass IBM in '92 (from MacWeek)
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:38:06
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: kivikkorastas.cs.tut.fi
In-reply-to: bskendig@netcom.com's message of 10 Nov 92 16:33:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.163321.19676@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

   Apple is expected to pass IBM Corp. in worldwide personal computer
   unit sales for the first time in 1992, according to International Data
   Corp.  Through nine months of 1992, Apple has shipped 2.03 million
   units, while IBM has shipped 1.85 million.

	     1990             1991             1992 Estimate (Source: I.D.C.)
   Apple     1.69 million     2.48 million     3 million
   IBM       2.84 million     2.91 million     2.9 million

It would be nice to know just how much of the total PC sales does IBM
make. That might put things in a quite different light.
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From: patel@euler.ee.umn.edu ( Dr. Maqbool Patel)
Subject: Sparcstation 370 SIMMs on Mac-LC --- Possible?
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:58:04 GMT

Hi:
	I recently upgradedour Sparc Station 370 as a result now I have
	8 1meg SIMMS that I removed from this SUN. I was wodering If
	these SIMMS go into Mac-LC. If not, what can I do with these
	SIMMS?

	NB: I donot follow this news group. So please reply to me
	directly.
	Thanks
	Maqbool

	patel@euler.ee.umn.edu
	patel@hippy.drad.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: Apple financing?
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:35:06 GMT

Apple Credit Plan. Usually easy to qualify. The interest rate is also very
high. Finance the purchase with a VISA or MasterCard may be less. Or a
personal bank loan with the computer as collateral?

Apple has a credit plan for business.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: Quicktime - will it run on a Powerbook100?
Organization: master/peon
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:03:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.070949.9986@cc.uow.edu.au>, gkm@cc.uow.edu.au (Glen K Moore) writes:
> 
> When I install quicktime on my PB100 it seems to do so OK but when I
> restart I get a message saying QT cannot run on this machine. 
> Is this so? Is there a way to get it to run?
> 

No.  QuickTime requires a 68020, and the PB 100 uses a 68000.  This also prevents
usage of any program requiring Color QuickDraw.  

Jon jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
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From: thorn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shannon Lee Thornburg)
Subject: Re: Background printing under 7.1
Keywords: Background printing PrintMonitor System 7.1
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 21:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.094911.20000@walter.cray.com> twosheds@.cray.com (Jay Vollmer) writes:
>
>	Hey you guys:
>	What happened to background printing to my StyleWriter under
>system7.1?  These buttons in the chooser window are grayed.  This is the case
>when using drivers with version numbers (7.0, 7.1, 7.2.2) in combination with
>system 7.1.  Anybody know how to fix this?


The 7.1 installer fails to install the new PrintMonitor if you have a
StyleWriter.

Also, the printer driver version is 7.2.3.  Make sure that it was installed.

SOLUTION:
  Drag your old PrintMonitor to the Trash, then insert the Printing disk and
drag the new PrintMonitor onto your System Folder icon.  It should install
in the proper place and background printing will work once again.

-- Shannon Thornburg
   Aeronautics & Astronautics
   Stanford University
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PowerBook 145
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <Bxn608.DII@lincoln.technet.sg> nbl@solomon.technet.sg (Ng Beng Lim) writes:

>Just like to find out what is Apple USA policy on upgrading of System 7.1
>for those with the Powerbook 145.
>Will Apple provide a free upgrade?  Or are they charging?

Apple's published policy is: no free upgrades. You buy it or buy a new Mac
with 7.1 in the box. (Buying an older mac after Oct. 19th, 1992 does NOT
entitle you to a copy of System 7.1 either. Beware!)

-Geoff
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:17:30 EST
From: <TJK111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Anyone have BiffoMT?

Can anyone send me BiffoMT, a TrueType font that I saw on AOL when I
used to have an account there? Or a site where it is located. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: DISRUPT 7.1 LINES
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:58:14 GMT

mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

>No MS-DOS user would put up with being told that he has to visit his dealer
>in person before they'll deign to sell him a computer.  No MS-DOS user would
>wait two weeks for that machine to be delivered.  No MS-DOS user would wait
>four weeks for it to be repaired.

  Luckily, Apple doesn't have these problems in the U.S.  I can order
a Powerbook 145 over the phone directly from Apple, and have it
delivered tomorrow.  I sent in my PB100 for the recall retrofit, and
it came back within 3 days, picked up and delivered to my door.

  Sounds like Apple UK needs a good shakeup.  Why is it that Apple
in the U.S.A. doesn't exert more pressure on their foreign subsidiaries
to provide decent service??  

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From: mike@wang.com (Mike Sullivan)
Subject: Need a spot to put some software up for anonymous ftp
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:11:29 GMT
Keywords: anonymous ftp freeware demo

I have some demo software for the macintosh that I would like to put up for
anonymous ftp.  Can anyone suggest or volunteer a suitable site?  The software
in question is a demo version of Peace of Mind the Macintosh hardware 
diagnostic.  This version is free and has extensive memory tests and benchmarks
in it.  The full Peace of Mind product includes more memory tests, monitor 
tests, SCSI tests, as well as tests for all other major hardware components and
selected peripherals.

Peace of Mind is a product of Polybus Systems Corporation.

Thanks in advance...
	
Michael Sullivan
 (508) 649-9600	
(mike@polybus.com)

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From: macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Journal/Diary program wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:52:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.o0u5TB1w165w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein) writes:

> Does anyone know of a journal or diary type program in the public 
> domain or otherwise?  I could use my //c and pop it across my serial
> link, but I'd rather do everything all in one place.  Thanks!
> 
> Clint

There is a program called Journal which is quite nice.  All you do is 
click on one of the days on a calendar and up comes a window so that you 
can type down your thoughts, ideas, etc.  I think it is shareware and AOL 
is the only place that I know that has it...
 
Leo.

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From: "norman danner" <ndanner@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: laserwriter name?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:14:20 -0500

How is the name of the LaserWriter decided?  When I use the chooser to
select the LaserWriter driver (to make a PostScript file), nothing comes
up in the box for selecting a particular laserwriter.  But when I go
to "Print..." a document, the box tells me I am printing to the laserwriter
"FP Spooler" (which is the Freedom of Press Spooler).  Funny thing though--
FP Spooler isn't running!  I remember playing around with this some time
ago, so I probably did something maybe I shouldn't have.  I'm trying out
a few tests with some new programs, and I'd like to establish some control--
in particular, I want the Mac to think it is just using the regular 7.0
laserwriter driver to make a postscript file.  I seem to remember that
before I started playing around with FP Spooler, I never got any indication
of a named printer being used.  Is there any way I can get back to this state?
Thanks much!  By the way, I'm using an LC running Sys 7 tuned.

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From: fairchil@helix.ucsd.edu (Kevin Fairchild)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Apple financing follow-up
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:24:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


From fairchil Sun Nov  8 14:23:41 1992
To: /home/helix/fairchil/.article

I posted a question in this group not too long ago about Apple financing.  I'd 
like to follow up my own post to thank those who sent me information and to 
quickly summarize (correctly, I hope) what other have told me and what I've 
found out on my own.

1) Apple has a credit card that is not hard to qualify for but has an interest
rate of about 18%.  Many other credit cards have lower rates these days.  (I 
have one at 15% and another at about 13%(?).  

2)  _If_ you qualify for educational discounts (as I do), not only do you get
those discounts, but you are eligible for a special financing plan, under
which you can borrow up to $10000, pay it off over (up to) 8 years, and best of
all (right now), pay an interest rate of about 8.5 - 9%.  The rate is variable
and based on a spread of about 4% plus the commercial paper rates, which right
now are at about 3.5%, but are expected to go up slowly over the next 5 to 8
years (or so my economist contact tells me).  If you are a student, you can
also get lower payments until you graduate, then pay higher ones once you are
out.  

This is all a good deal for my wife and me.  I've sent in my application, and
hopefully within the next few weeks will be the proud owner of a new Duo and
Dock.

Kevin Fairchild
Soon-to-be-late-of-UCSD
**I certainly hope that my opinions are not those of UCSD.**
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