HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tonydv@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Antonio DiVenere)
Subject: Re: Oversupply depressing wages?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:31:06 GMT

In article <Bz0xEq.Mt4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> marty@amaterasu.physics.uiuc.edu (Marty Gelfand) writes:
>
>  Postdoctoral salary scales seem to be based less on market forces than
>history.  Why else should physics postdocs typically get $30K at the better 
>universities while chemistry (and biology?) postdocs get $20K?

  While this may have been true in the past, IMHO the present job market
in physics is unlike anything seen since the early 70's.  In a market where
a typical job offer gets over 200 applications, how can wages not be driven
downward.  There is always someone equally qualified who will take the job
if you think the wages are too low.

  Another point to consider is a current? trend by funding agencies to 
not fund a research grant for the full requested amount. This may be an
agency effort to fund as many people as possible.  While most
principal investigators would agree that anything is better than nothing,
salaries then compete with equipment and materials for the research
dollars in the budget.  This can only result in fewer post-doc positions
or positions with lower salaries.

>  An excess of physics PhD grads wouldn't necessarily drive down
>postdoc salaries even if market forces played a role in setting salaries,
>since there are (in principle, the general job market permitting) 
>other jobs PhD physicists could take that pay much more than a postdoc,
>e.g., quantitative financial analysis.  If postdoctoral salaries become
>too low the best new graduates will simply leave the field in disgust,
>unless (as I suspect used to be the case in chemistry) suffering two years
>of gross underpayment essentially guaranteed a high-wage job in industry
>or academia.  If that deferred payoff is not in the cards, only the
>extraordinarily devoted few will stay in the game.  Maybe that is as it
>ought to be, but there is a price to pay in loss of talent.
>--Marty Gelfand  marty@amaterasu.physics.uiuc.edu

  I agree whole heartedly.  In fact, I would not be surprised if the
loss of talent is already occuring in many areas.  


-- 
Antonio DiVenere                  |
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy    |          " He's a Goodfellow "
Northwestern University           |
Evanston, Il 60208                |         tonydv@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: looking for advice on jobs in bio-modeling, chaos, fractals, etc.
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:38:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.143811.18405
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


     I am currently a graduate student in the department of cell and
developmental biology at Harvard Medical School (PhD track). I have 6
years of experience in computer programming (everything from systems
programming, to networking, to graphics & algorithms, etc.), and am
interested in artificial life, chaos, fractals, genetic algorithms,
neural networks, bio-modeling, etc. Are there any ideas about jobs in
these areas in the Boston, MA area? I am interested in programs in
Universities, as well as any research centers that companies like IBM
may have around here. If anyone has any ideas, please email to
mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu. 

Mike Levin
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: dublin@lab3.smcm.edu (Leola Dublin)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: HELP ME GET A JOB, PLEASE!!!!!!!
Keywords: student,summer job, research, bio
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:20:26 GMT


I am a junior bio/chem major desperately seeking summer employment.  
Research would be great. Anything would be o.k. I need the experience. I  
have a summer of experience doing sediment chemistry at Columbia  
University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory. ***I need to find work  
for the summer*** This is no longer a joke. My advisor tells me that  
without experience, jobs opportunities when I graduate are going to be few  
and far between. I am female, a minority, and financially independent, so  
if that helps any, wonderful.  

Here's how I can be reached:

email:  dublin@oyster.smcm.edu
snail mail: Alex Dublin
	    Box 800
	    St.Mary's City MD 20686


ALEX
 
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly)
Subject: Re: HELP ME GET A JOB, PLEASE!!!!!!!
Keywords: student,summer job, research, bio
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:58:51 GMT

In article <17514@umd5.umd.edu> dublin@lab3.smcm.edu (Leola Dublin) writes:
>
>I am a junior bio/chem major desperately seeking summer employment.  
>Research would be great. Anything would be o.k. I need the experience. I  
>have a summer of experience doing sediment chemistry at Columbia  
>University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory. ***I need to find work  
>for the summer*** This is no longer a joke. My advisor tells me that  
>without experience, jobs opportunities when I graduate are going to be few  
>and far between. I am female, a minority, and financially independent, so  
                       ^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>if that helps any, wonderful.  
>
>Here's how I can be reached:
>
>email:  dublin@oyster.smcm.edu
>snail mail: Alex Dublin
>	    Box 800
>	    St.Mary's City MD 20686
>
>
>ALEX
> 

Sorry Alex couldn't resist (told myself -- self I says -- "now just go
and ignor that" --- but I can't!).  This has to be the ultimate 
indication (if any were needed) of the seriousness of the job shortage
for skilled workers, or either a panic situation by "green horn" (but
by no means naive) undergraduate.  I ask, what else could you offer --
prides gone! What about virginity or your first born?

This is of course accompanied with oodles of :-) ;-) etc etc...

Good hunting,

chris

ps. isn't it winter up there, I thought it was our students that
were panicing for summer jobs?  you still have 6 months!!!
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Japanese Economic War (?)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:16:00 -0500

I can't believe the amount of bandwidth that has gone into the multiple posting
of all this material on the superiority of the Japanese--especially in the light
of recent events in the Japanese economy, such as their stock market collapse,
the decline in planned R&D spending, the fizzle of the Fifth Generation Computer
Project, and so on.

I recall when the CIA was being criticized for the "ten feet tall" syndrome, in
which our analysts supposedly gave the KGB credit for being invincible, only to
discover the truth behind the facade when the Soviet economy and polity finally
collapsed.  The latest version of the "yellow peril" writings seems much the
same to me.

(Nor is this anything new.  Refer to the book of Numbers, where the scouts sent
to spy out the Land of Canaan report back that there were giants there, and "we
were like grasshoppers in their sight."  Except for Caleb and Joshua, that is. 
The punishment for timidity was to expire in the wilderness until a new
generation came along.)

Well, I say that the Japan of today only claims to be a free-market, democratic
society, but has not yet been able to shake off its feudal roots and structures,
which is what MITI, the keiretsu, the status of women, and on and on are all
about.  Those of us who believe in free market economics and free government
know that our system has the laws of mathematics on its side and, given enough
time, will emerge superior.  I could go on to expose a number of
mathematical/economic fallacies in the arguments of the material posted, but
we've already passed too many kilobytes around the net on this. When we as
Americans believe in our own system and give up the thoughts of emulating the
faulty systems of others because of their short-term successes, then we can
emerge from our present wilderness and discover we are already living in the
promised land.

Roger.Firestone@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org
From: is08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Irianto Sukaton)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Re: Japanese Economic War (?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:16:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfA0oIS00WB6AGFghu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.sci.research: 14-Dec-92 Japanese Economic War (?)
by Roger Firestone@f349.n10 
>  
> keep their assets afloat.  (Incidentally, the largest foreign
ownership share of
>  
> US assets is British, not Japanese.  Wonder why we aren't worried
about them? 
> After all, they're a monarchy with a more pervasive feudal system and
an active
> left-wing party...)
>  

Maybe thats (active left-wing party) why we're not worried. There are
visibly opposing forces that guarantee checks and balances (which is
more in the 'free' world tradition) that is not present in monolithic
Japan.

Rouli
is08@andrew.cmu.edu

Standard Discalimer: The views and opinions stated above are mine only
		     and do not reflect the views of CMU.
From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: Japanese Economic War (?)
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:28:20 GMT

In article <724287922.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>
Roger.Firestone@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Roger Firestone) writes:
>Those of us who believe in free market economics and free government
>know that our system has the laws of mathematics on its side and, given enough
>time, will emerge superior.

     The laws of mathematics?  I don't think so.  At best, you can claim
that modern economic theory suggests that free market economies are
likely to do better in the long term.  Economics is not simply mathematics
however since it involves significant elements of the social sciences.
Accordingly, you can't claim that the "laws" of economics are simply
those of mathematics.  The phrase you started this sentence with is
quite apt:  "Those of us who believe..."  Not everyone has the faith in
either the free market or in economics that you do.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
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Newsgroups: sci.research

<mumble, mumble, generic Japan-bashing and paranoid liberal tripe,
mumble, mumble>

Gotcha Antoni!!!

Seems like the title fits the general drift of this notesgroup
though...

DISCLAIMER:  Of course my employer thinks this is a stupid waste of
time and computer resources!
From: ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Barter)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Re: Energy, environment and society (request)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:08:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: adam.adelaide.edu.au
Keywords: energy environment society research request multidisciplinary social science

mortenl@due.unit.no (Morten Lange) writes:

>Hi

>I'm loooking for information on research within the multifaceted problem
>area "Energy, environment and society".

For the urban transport aspect try Peter Newman and Jeff Kenworthy's work.
They are at Murdoch University, Western Australia and have published
 a lot in the last four years.

Paul Barter
ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au
From: avkats@azbuka.kharkov.ua (Aleksandr V. Kats)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Private Phisical Inst. seeks collaboration in different forms and directions
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:21:16 +0300
Distribution: world
Organization: INFOCOM LTD, Ltd.
Reply-To: avkats@azbuka.kharkov.ua

                           Dear Sir,
            Works of  private little venture Eco-Energy Institute are
       directed in general for ecology clean  possibility  of  energy
       production, conservation and utilisation.
            We are interested in collaboration,  the orders  of  some
       criogenic devices and osonators, and joint investigations.
            Suppose, that it is reasonable to  have  the  discussions
       and   meetings   with   investigators,  working  in  following
       directions:
       1. NASA  programs  of  metastable  helium  states (MHS)  as a
       rocket propellant   and   of   moon   He3   utilisation,   MHS
       manufacturing, conservation and utilisation.
       2. Weakly  bound  species: helides, rare  gas - hydrogen - and
       carbohydryde clusters, now wellknown foullerens,for example,
       - the manufacturing of its.
       3. Ozone generation, conservation and utilization.
          All theese ones may be used as energy accumulated species,
       but not only, ofcourse .
       4. The plasmoreactor methods of hydrogen from water and H2S
       production.
       5. Scintilators for nuclear and cosmic radiation detecting -
       some unusual methods of manufacturing, examination and testing.
       6. Mathematical modelling of dust ewolution and grouing in air
       on the base of Smoluhovsky  equations.
          We are interested to take part in the experimental work on
       the base of US organisations in all this fields.
          In all this directions  we have ideas,  know-hows,  skill,
       experience, patents.
          Now the negotiations, concerning 4 and 5 items, with some
       US Universities are in progress.

          We would like to have grants and other forms of collaboration
       for our researchers, working in this directions.


                S.Y.
                D. Myshkis,
                Director of Eco-Energy Institute
                Ph.D, Mb.of RAN Commitee for
                Energy Accumulating Species  Using

                Ukraine, 310103, Kharkow,
                ul.Kosmonavtov,5A/77.
                tel.+7-(057)-2-727666
                fax +7-(057)-2-324677
From: is08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Irianto Sukaton)
Newsgroups: sci.research
Subject: Re: Japanese Economic War (?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:30:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfA11ri00WB6MGFhd7
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.sci.research: 15-Dec-92 Re: Japanese Economic War
(?) by Marc Roussel@alchemy.che 
> quite apt:  "Those of us who believe..."  Not everyone has the faith in
> either the free market or in economics that you do.
>  

Yes. Definitely.
Though hypothetical, given a little more time, the west could have collapsed
primarily due to the inconsistent practise of its economical idealogies unless
major reassessments were made to it (which unfortunately may include all
concepts which invoke the term 'free').


Rouli
is08@andrew.cmu.edu

Standard Discalimer: The views and opinions stated above are mine only
		     and do not reflect the views of CMU.
Newsgroups: sci.research
Newsgroups: sci.environment

Chuck Paquette wonders:

>Also, I'm somewhat surprised by the free-enterprise/libertarian
>critique of U.S. environmental organizations.  Most of us compete in
>the marketplace without significant government support or endowments.
>We also tend to emphasize private action and monitoring of government 
>policy.  And most of our active organizational opponents are or 
>represent beneficiaries of government policies and public assets.  Just 
>an added thought.

It's no mystery why these right-wing extremists hate environmentalism. They
hate it for the same reason they hate democracy. If someone wants to enrich
himself by destroying the last old-growth of the Pacific Northwest, for 
example, and the rest of us pass a law to prevent him from doing so, that
is what they call "coercion" -- which they abhor. I.e. in their view,
democracy = coercion. They identify with the guy who wants to enrich himself
at everyone else's (and nature's) expense. They believe, sometimes validly,
more often illusorily, that if there were fewer restraints they would be
among those who would succeed in pushing their way to the hog-trough and
gorging themselves. They think of themselves as very strong, and they hate
it above all else when those whom they think of as weak band together in
democracies to prevent them from riding roughshod over everybody and 
everything.

*Naturally* they hate environmentalism. It's to be expected. It's in the way
of their (real or imagined) self-aggrandizement.

-------------
Alan McGowen
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: The Return of Nasty, Brutish and Sh
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:48:46
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: alanm@igc.apc.org's message of 13 Dec 92 23:31:00 GMT

In article <1466601987@igc.apc.org> alanm@igc.apc.org (Alan McGowen) writes:

   Sigurdsson's logic remains as bizarre as ever. He makes a flat 
   assertion of what he considers to be a self-evident truth. I post 
   statements from a standard recent introductory text on 
   anthropology which contradict him. He declares the statements to 
   be wrong, and demands proof for them. I post further statements 
   from other (including refereed) sources and list some suggested 
   reading to serve as a point of departure for an interested 
   reader's self-education.

Either you're referring to year old posts or you have somehow
inverted this thread. You made the flat assertion that
hunter-gatherer had lower infant mortality rates than agriculturalists
and early industrial societies, I responded with a statement
from a standard introductory text which contradicted you, you
have provided no quotes from texts or journals that supported
your assertion, except for Barkow's conjecture that protectiveness
of children among h-g's was evidence that they were happier,
and responded with insults when I offered the alternative
hypothesis that this was equally consistent with h-g's havin
higher infant mortalities and therefore were more protective
of those children that did survive.

Alan, you seem to have decided that because studies have
indicated that hunter gatherer life was not continuous
pure misery that it must have been real dandy, I find such
nouveau romanticism laughably naive. The propensity of pre 1960's
anthropolpgists to overemphasize the misery of hunter gatherer existence
in no way excuses your fantasies of the noble savage.

*  Steinn Sigurdsson   			Lick Observatory      	*
*  steinly@lick.ucsc.edu		"standard disclaimer"  	*
*  Some people think they're really clever			*
*  Smash your head against the wall            Specials, 1979	*
From: chwiii@cup.portal.com (Charles H Wittman)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: toxic spill remediation
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 20:50:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <jmullison.38.0@ucsd.edu><JMC.92Dec17214441@SAIL.Stanford.EDU><1992Dec18.1
 73928.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> <JMC.92Dec19003005@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>

The New 
Almaden Mines in Almaden CA Have the remains of the Hg refining
process wich is generally elemental Hg from the refining ovens
which emited Hg vapor into the air. The Hg cooled and was redeposited in the
surface soils in the prevailing downwind direction as elemental Hg. 
The recently aproved DTSC method of remediation is to cover the areas of 
highest concintrations with a engineered fill to reduce direct
contact and reduce the volatilization. I would not worry about playing with
a little Hg for a few classes but I sure wouldn't drink it.........
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From donj@Ingres.COM Wed Dec 16 19:04:11 1992
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From: donj@Ingres.COM (Don Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:04:11 GMT
Date-Received: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:56:29 GMT
Subject: Re: What's Necessary?
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: The Ecocentric Criterion (again)
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:45:23 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <STEINLY.92Dec15160205@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu writes:

 > Yup, yet the observation is that a large enough fraction of 
 > people will actively seek out those features of technological
 > society that extend life and reduce pain, that there _is_ change.
 > The question then becomes whether people can have their cake
 > and eat it too? Can you accept smallpox vaccine and tetanus jabs,
 > clean water and imported food reserves during hard times and
 > still reject the cultural baggage completely?

You appear to be missing the point that technology is culturally
neutral. There is ample evidence that people will only adopt that
technology they find useful (on many occasions actually discarding
technology *I* thought was useful and important, offered in my own
then naive way of "helping") and discard the rest, while retaining
their cultural baggage.

The point also needs to be made on the number of people raised within
an overly technocratic society *aching* for cultural amendment . . .

--
Gil Hardwick                          Internet:  gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                  Fidonet:  3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                         Voice:  (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
Xref: sparky sci.environment:13682 talk.environment:5118
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Why do they hate us?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:19:01 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Dec17.201220.11260@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> 471-1@air.atmo.arizona.edu (E. Shane Jimerfield) writes:

|Yes John you are right, historians don't talk about men being at war 
|with this planet. However as thinking being I have this strange ability to
|assimulate my learning. And from this assimulation I develope my own
|conclusions and from there develope my own beliefs. 

Sounds to me like you developed your beliefs and from their leaped to
your conclusions.

-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Re: Why do they hate us?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:16:28 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <724578414snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:

|Here I do differ; our standard of living is based on our civilised
|conduct, which is not always pursued by technology. There is nothing
|at all either admirable or edifying about machines and gadgets. Even
|Idi Amin had the latest technology the West had to offer, and he *ate*
|his political opponents.

I am going to have to differ with you on this one.  I would say that the
standard of living is dependent upon both technology and civilised
conduct.
It doesn't matter how much you love your neighbor if your only source of
heat is an open hearth fire and you have to go outside to go potty, then
your standard of living will also be considered low.

-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
From: alanm@igc.apc.org (Alan McGowen)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: DREADFUL THREAT
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:10:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1466601994:000:894
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!alanm    Dec 13 20:10:00 1992


Once again I am receiving requests for ECO CENTRALS 1-20 (and 
even 21). What am I to do? 

I have them all. But I'm not about to email them to every 
requester (and I haven't even kept track of all the requesters). 
I pay real $$ to do this, and I am not subsidized by one of those 
Federal or State programs so many of you despise and benefit from
at the same time.

I haven't been able to find an ftp site which will carry all the 
ECO CENTRALs. So this is a **WARNING**. Unless someone can think 
of  a  better approach,  I will download ALL 21 ECO  CENTRALs  in 
early-mid January (after the academic vacations are over.)

From Dec. 19 - Jan 4 I may either be off the net entirely, or not 
doing much with it. Too many children are anticipating my 
attentions and largess, which are of course calculated to shift 
them all into greener pastures of thought...

------------
Alan McGowen