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From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard response time???
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:08:04 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr8.085753.27020@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> sukumar@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Suresh Kumar) writes:
>Hi folks :
>
>    I had a interview with HP (california division) about 40days back
>and I got a letter from them stating that my interviewer as
>recommended my name for further consideration and also the letter
>stated that I will receive a mailgram or call from one or more
>locations for a site visit. But, still now almost 30days gone after I
>received the above letter, i have yet to hear from them.

   This is not an unusual length for HP...particularly at this peak
   season.
>
>    My interviewer is a very nice guy and I am corresponding with him 
>through email. His response was always encouraging and asking me to
>wait for sometime as they are still working on my application.
>
    I don't know your interviewer, but I really doubt someone at HP
    would mislead you about this.

    HP is a real quality employer with an excellent reputation. 
    It is really rare to hear even ex-employees say much negative
    about the company.  
>
>    I am in kind of delicate situation as I might have a job offer
>from a small company in Chicago suburbs. Though, I like the job, but
>still interested with Hewlett Packard. 
>
    I would not presume to advise you...as only you know your
    personal situation.  Taking the local job and continuing to
    respond to HP could be a possibility...but I don't know your
    local company and what you would be doing.  

    HP has excellent ongoing education programs which a lot of
    smaller companies just can't afford.

    And HP interviews are quite pleasurable experiences...almost
    worth going to just for the adventure.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: How to chastise an incorrectly posted article
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:02:18 GMT

In article <tr.703278493@samadams> tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) writes:
>My mind reels with what I imagine people are sending to posters of
>incorrectly posted articles.  While it is not hard to post correctly,
>it is still easy to make a mistake.  I do not think that anyone who
>requests a job in misc.jobs.offered actually intends to inconvenience
>anyone.  When someone does this and I feel inclined to tell him of his
>mistake, I simply say that he has posted to a newsgroup intended only
>for job offerings and that I hope his error does not make a bad
>impression on prospective employers with respect to how he can follow
>instructions and use computer software.  I doubt that showing him anger
>will help prevent the next person from making the same mistake.
>
	It might not be as bad as all that.  Remember, the person made a
	mistake and was rather contrite when (s)he had the mistake pointed
	out to her/him; and felt they owed the net an apology.  I would
	expect that this person was truly a well-meaning poster and hence
	whether the person was politely informed that (s)he had posted
	incorrectly or was flamed with acetylene, that person would be
	contrite and apologize.

	Whereas flamers are more likely than polite corrections, it isn't
	necessarily guaranteed based on the apology.

	Ted Ying			ted@welch.jhu.edu

#include <std.disclaimer.h>

	Tommy Thrush: "Captain Buffalo, I'm hungry, can we eat now?"
	Captain Buffalo: "Well, alright Tommy, how about here?  They
		have a special on Buffalo Wings."
	Tommy: "Can I get the Mud-pie?  It comes with a special Mudman
		action figure!"
	Captain Buffalo: "Hmmmm...."
From: f71839389@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (D R Friedman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: General Rates for Technical Writers
Keywords: writing rates
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I am interested in deterining billing rates for doing technical writing/
training.  I have extensive computer experience combined with writing and
training experience and need to determine what sort of rates to charge.

I think these combination of skills are valuable.
Denny Friedman                            F71839389@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu
                                               DFRIEDMAN@Hopi.azcc.arizona.edu
Any kind of machinery used for shortening labour-except used in a cooperative 
society like ours- must tend to less wages, and to deprive working men of 
employment and finally either starve them or compel them to emigrate

	--Manifesto Cooperative Community County Clare Ireland, 1883
	on the introduction of the reaping machine.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What Happens When Your Company Closes?
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:03:10 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr13.135544.18211@auto-trol.com> From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)

> What do you do?  The first thing is to file for unemployment.  Since you were
> not fired, you should have no problem collecting.  The second thing is, of
> course, to look for a job.  Wish I had better news.


Since you have gone through this before - do you file for unemployment
from the point you are no longer being PAID or the point you are no longer
EMPLOYED?  Since you were never paid for the period I don't see how
it can be claimed that you were employed.
-- 
Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
12307 Tigers Eye Court ; Reston, VA 22091                 (703) 620-1141 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stauffer@dragon.unl.edu (John C. Stauffer)
Subject: 3 degrees, 1 univ. ?
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: Center for Electro-Optics, Univ of Nebraska-Lincoln
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:14:07 GMT

	Hi all,
	
	I am presently finishing up my Master's degree in Mechanical
	Engineering at UNL and conducting a job search.  One of the 
	options which I am considering, is to continue on with my
	education and obtain a PhD. Aside from the financial aspects, I
	have two main concerns about this choice:

	1. I will have already received my B.S. and M.S. degrees from
	UNL. I would like to continue my education here b/c the facility
	in which I work has a great deal of opportunity in my field.  I
	could think of a couple of other institutions which I might like
	to attend, but I would prefer not to relocate for the
	incremental benefit they may provide.  I have heard that it is
	considered "bad form" to complete all three degrees at a single
	University, is thsi true?

	2. I have not had any experience in "the real world" outside of
	my research assistanceship. I worry that this may be important
	before I undertake a PhD program of study.

	I would like to get any input from people on the net as to what
	their impressions are on these matters.

	FYI: My career goal is to obtain a research position, so I feel
	that a PhD will be important sometime, I'm just not sure if now
	is the best time.

	Thanks for any input.

-- 
  John Stauffer                   |  HONK, if your a Husker
  stauffer@dragon.unl.edu         |             -actual bumpersticker
  Center for Electro-Optics       |  HONK, if your illiterate
  Univeristy of Nebraska-Lincoln  |             -proposed bumpersticker
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: alejanrd@victoria.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Raymond D. Alejandro)
Subject: A couple of questions
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:53:34 GMT

I have a couple of questions for those of you on this net.

For other engineering majors that are about to graduate.

How much pressure does your school put on you to pass the EIT exam?
Did your school adequately prepare you for all the different fields covered by
the EIT exam?


And for any employers out there.

Does the school where a prospective employee graduated from have a BIG impact on
you?  (Aside from alma maters and personal biases).

I mean, if two applicants were basically equal except that one had a 3.9 from a
state school, and the other had a 3.4 from a nationally ranked private school,
who is more likely to get the job?

Thanks in Advance

Ray Alejandro
From: dianej@kona.Eng.Sun.COM (Diane Jeon)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: About applications and ommiting convictions
Summary: re: DUI to put or not?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:05:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kona

The answer depends heavily on the employment laws of the state  the employer 
is located in.  On our application at Sun, it asks if you have ever been 
convicted of anything other than a minor traffic violation. In California, 
all convictions are matters of public record, and will be found out during 
our background investigation process at Sun.  Putting a slash through could be 
interpretted as saying no, and then it would appear as if you lied. 

In most cases, the employer isn't looking at the content of the conviction, 
except where it is directly applicable to your job, ie: 
        truck driver and checker driving history, incuding DUI 
        account and embezzlement conviction 
        electronics parts theft and assembler job 
You see my train of thought. We want to consider the relevance to the job
we would be hiring you for. 
 
However, if you don't put it, and it is found out, you have called into 
question your judgement, your honesty, your ethics, and when you finally 
do say what happened and why, it's less likely it will be believed. You
might still get the job, but in most cases you have allowed the door to 
who then become more qualified, as they have better judgement etc.  My 
advice is to put it.  We all make mistakes, and it is better for you 
to tell the employer about the mistake in your past, than to commit the 
mistake during the hiring process.
 
Diane Jeon 
dianej@kona.sun.com
From: jstewart@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ace Stewart)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Dolphins, Sea Lions, marine mammals
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:39:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Syracuse Univ/Eastman Kodak Co.


I will shortly be relocating to Sunnyvale, CA -- working fulltime out
there. I am looking for a secondary, volunteer if appropriate,
position working with marine mammals.

Does _anyone_ on the net have lines into this type of work in the San
Francisco/San Jose area? I am _really_ interested in doing this type
of thing ... again as a volunteer. It's for the love of it...

Call me crazy...

John Stewart
Senior UNIX/VMS Consultant
Academic Computing Services
Syracuse University

(315) 443-3995		work
(315) 442-9006		home
From: minisys@cup.portal.com (Mini Systems Associates)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: This is test no. 2
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:38:57 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

THIS IS TEST NO. 2
THANKS.
PLEASE DISREGARD THIS MESSAGE.
From: sang@olympic.tymnet.com (Sang Kim x-7090)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Information on Toronto
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:24:46 GMT
Organization: BT North America, San Jose, CA

My friend just got an offer from a firm in Toronto, and  wanted to get some more information on
Toronto.  The information that  she wanted to know is the following:

	-living expense
	-tax  as a U.S. citizen
	-life style
	-public school system for kids
	-good & bad points living in Toronto ... and more.

Thanks for your help in advance.

S. Kim
From: doak@jalapeno.cs.ucdavis.edu (Justin Doak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Finding a job in Saskatoon
Keywords: Vancouver, Saskatoon
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:49:47 GMT
Reply-To: doak@cs.ucdavis.edu (Justin Doak)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

I'm looking into the possibility of getting a job in Canada, either in
Vancouver or Saskatoon.  My preferences for work are Software Engineering,
Computer Security and Artificial Intelligence/Machine Learning.  If you know
of any good companies in or near (within 3 or 4 hours) one of these two towns
which do work in any of my areas of interest, please pass this on to me.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Subject: Re: home publishing work
Summary: Book avail with Refs.
Keywords: editing publishing home book
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:47:07 GMT

Try The Work-at-Home Sourcebook which has listings, & refs to mags.

ISBN 0-911781-06-4

My motes are from the 1987 edition and list the publisher as 

Live Oak Publications
6003 N. 51st Street #105
PO Box 2193
Boulder, CO  80306

Check your local library or Books in Print to get current status.

--Kirt

-- 
Kirtland H. Olson                     olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: CFD : creation of new newsgroup : misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 03:00:25 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <klg.702767630@statsci> klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross) writes:
>russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>
>   In article <180913@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   
>   >    Actually I would be for ANYTHING that would take all their
>   >    whining, crybaby, "world owes me a living" type postings
>   >    and place them where at least you would have a warning that you
>   >    are about to enter a board where the posters CAN'T READ, can't
>   >    follow directions, CAN'T EVEN GUESS HOW TO POST FROM THE NAME
>   >    OF THE !@#$!@#$ BOARD, and are so obviously socially inept that
>   >    it is a miracle most of them EVER get gainful employment.
>   
>   Hmm.  Interesting.  If social ineptitude is a major factor, I'd guess
>   there will soon be an opening at Pyramid Technology.  Of course, we
>   will all be informed that "This is not an entry level potition, no
>   recent grads need apply".
>
>Oh, I see, just because he speaks his mind about his strong feelings
>regarding the selfish, inconsiderate behaviour of others makes him
>socially inept. While what your response was MUCH better, much calmer.
>
>That is easier to swallow if you are on the receiving end. Sheesh.

I was at the recieving end of his flame.  Turnabout is fair play.  And
if you want to get technical, my response WAS much calmer-- note the
lack of capital letters and typographical symbols...



-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: recession-what recession????
Keywords: developers,jobs
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:47:01 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Apr8.191616.1049@fmrco.uucp>, sy18337@fmrco.COM (Terry Traub) writes:
> As for the fellow in this conference who bitterly complained that he
> was going to have to flip burgers, I say: it may be just what you
> needed.  It will build character, and as a result you'll appreciate a
> good job offer ever so much more (and probably go farther in your
> field as a result).  I've flipped burgers, too; it was a means to an
> end, that's all.  Good luck!


I would like to add my .02 to this. 

When I graduated from school, (B.S.E.E. in 1976 from W.P.I.) I took a job
at a small P.B.S. TV station for $8,000 per year. 

It was small. The salary was small. The experience and fun were not
small. 

Some of my classmates ribbed me for taking this job while they were getting
$20,000+ offers. I did not let that get to me. I allowed myself to grow
professionally without pushing it. That is what build's character. Not
impatience and whining.

Its just like commuting and doing all of your erronds with a bicycle. I do
not have a car. I do everything by bicycle, including a 15 mile each way
commute to work, going to the opera, ballet, church, movies, shopping, 
meetings; everything. It teaches me patience and builds charactor. Like
taking the lowly job at the TV station for $8,000 per year, people scoff
at the idea of not having a car. I'll tell you one nice thing about 
bicycles. They teach you patience.

You see, you have to ignore what people scoff at and look at what you
really want and need. Forget keeping up with the Joneses. What different
will that make 20 years from now. For example, when I ride my bike to the 
opera and show up in my shorts and old T-shirts while everyone else is
in suits, people look at me in a funny way. I ignore them and if they 
persist, I remind them that the show is up there on the stage and not down
here in my crotch. 

As you can tell, I am an anti-yuppie anti conformist, wierdo, but I do
not let it bother me.

Start with at small job. Dont let your modest means and image bother you.
Let it gow. Be patient.

Mark Allyn

PS Happyness is riding a bicycle loaded down with ham radio gear 6 miles
in the rain to the opera so I can park my bike free in the lobby of the 
opera house and not pay $10.00 for parking and beating the traffic!
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How to chastise an incorrectly posted article
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:08:13 GMT
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA

My mind reels with what I imagine people are sending to posters of
incorrectly posted articles.  While it is not hard to post correctly,
it is still easy to make a mistake.  I do not think that anyone who
requests a job in misc.jobs.offered actually intends to inconvenience
anyone.  When someone does this and I feel inclined to tell him of his
mistake, I simply say that he has posted to a newsgroup intended only
for job offerings and that I hope his error does not make a bad
impression on prospective employers with respect to how he can follow
instructions and use computer software.  I doubt that showing him anger
will help prevent the next person from making the same mistake.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Entry Level Prospect
Summary: Get the new grads out of our hair
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:14:39 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


Since I hear all of the harping about the lack of entry level
positions and how they are willing to work at very low wages
just to get the experience I thought I would mention a
company which I knows which used to hire entry level when I
started professionallly.

The Company is E-Systems and they are located in Florida,
Dallas, Texas and Falls Church, VA.  They even paid for my
interview and moving expenses and lent me money for a security
deposit.  Note this was back in 1985.

The number in Falls Church is 1-703-560-5000.

NOTE: do not use my name as a reference or as a source of information;
I left when I found out they were greatly underpaying me
and they weren't very happy about it!

-- 
Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
12307 Tigers Eye Court ; Reston, VA 22091                 (703) 620-1141
From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The best companies to work for in CS
Date: 12 Apr 92 12:00:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: csiatl.aV04iB1w164w

PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

> What would be the best companies to work for in CS beside the traditional
> IBM, Microsoft, DEC ...? I'm interested in the medium to small size companies
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Peter.

The company I work  for here in Atlanta, Xcellenet Inc. is GREAT.  BTW, 
I don't think IBM is such a great place to work, I have worked there 
twice as a contractor and frankly they stink!

Ilene Johnson

olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: noell@convex.com (Katherine Noell)
Subject: requiring insurance of 1099'ers - common?
Keywords: insurance required, 1099 employee
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:23:10 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


A friend of mine has been offered a 6-month stint as a contract (1099)
tech-writer in Orlando, FL.  The wrinkle is that the people offering the
contract require that he have both Commercial General Liability and Workman's
Comp insurance of his own.  

Is this at all common?  Anybody know why the company might have this
requirement?  My friend is less than enthusiastic about investing in the
insurance for what may prove to only be a 6-month stint.

Please post responses here, or mail to noell@convex.com.

Thanks.

Katherine



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sunshine@convex.com (Roger Sunshine)
Subject: Anyone heard of IMI Systems Inc?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:16:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Hello Everybody:

I'm posting this for a friend who has lost access to the net.
Please email me and I will forward all your valuable input.

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with a salaried consulting
housed called IMI Systems Inc.  They're nation wide with offices in
New York, New Jersey, Dallas, Chicago, and Washington D.C.  I'm considering
taking a salaried position with them potentially working in Colorado Springs.

I'm wondering what they are like as an employer.  What is their pay
structure like?  What are their benefits like?  Especially as compared
with other salaried consultng houses.  What are their people, managers
and peers like?

Any opinions on anything you care to discuss would be ok.  I will keep
all information strictly confidential.  I have no other motive other than to
take into consideration your opinions when and if I receive an offer.

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UUCP:       ...!uunet!convex!sunshine
ATTNET:     (214)497-4779
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