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From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Chrysler and Mitsuibishi
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:16:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5695
Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University

In article <147520034@hplsla.hp.com> garyw@hplsla.hp.com (Gary Wong) writes:
>
>>  The Diamond Star cars are assembled in the U.S. from parts made in Japan,
>>  like some Hondas and Toyotas.  Starting in '94, the Diamond Star cars
>>  will have Chrysler built engines and transmissions in them.
>
>According to an "Automobile Magazine" article, a Diamond Star car gets 60% of
>its parts from US suppliers.

Yes, but be aware that Chrysler SOLD it's share of ownership in
Diamond Star, and Diamond Star is now completely owned by
MITSUBISHI... so, in order to raise short term cash, Chrysler sold
it's future chare of profits on these cars, and when you consider that
DIAMOND STAR will make the replacement for the LeBaron, they will make
a significant share of the DODGE, PLYMOUTH, CHRYSLER and EAGLE models.

they needed the money to successfully launch the new LH models with
sufficient advertising.
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:32:16 GMT

In article <BxMAx8.IL3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:

>Here's a thought:
>Imagine how much fun snow driving would be if it weren't for the other cars.

...or buildings.

...or curbs.

(what this means is, I've smacked both, but never a car :-)

	-Kenny
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:36:58 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>In article <1992Nov12.013141.7090@wam.umd.edu> jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey people,
>>
>>What do you  think about this
>>
>>Should we have a one licence to operate a manual transmisssion and one for  
>>automatic, ecept if you know how to drive a mnual you can drive a auto  
>>with no problem.  
>>
>>Why should a person be allowed to drive a 5 speed unless he has proven he  
>>knows how to? This person could be endangering other people on the road we  
>>speak
>
In article <1992Nov12.131954.1850@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>
>oh nooooooooooooooo!  sounds like someone wants to run for office!
>and then what next...dirfferent license for 4speed auto...different license
>for cars with different power steering ratios??  relax...people have to go
>out and learn...what about the 16 year old who is out driving for his first
>time alone...he/she will run into some situations that he/she does not have
>experience at.


   And if you can drive a 4 speed, would you need additional
   driver's training for a 5-speed?  How about the Corvette 6-speed?

   SHeesh.  So some dweeb hit you.  Why not just ban Green cars or
   whatever color that was?    And if it was the other guys fault,
   how come YOU use the name "jailbird"?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:52:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept
Keywords: shattered


Pretty hard to say, but I have heard that the rear's are MUCH weaker than
the front, safety standards or something.  

Once a windy storm came up between a couple of buildings where I worked,
and a whole row of cars parked between the building had their rear windows
shattered, sucked out by the wind, apparently.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Noise when turning left -- mitigates when applying brake. Huh?
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:55:08 GMT

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>In a previous article, bhhardy@cs.utk.edu (Barbara Hardy) says:

>>
>>I have an 85 Dodge Omni/2.2L front wheel drive, 112K miles.
>>
>>When driving straight ahead, the engine noise is a little louder than
>>it ought to be. This is in comparison to the engine noise when I am
>>turning left. It feels quite good then, no tension. As I bring the car
>>back to straight ahead, the noise increase. It gets positvely
>>annoyingly and scarily loud when I turn to the right, and the noise
>>"feels" more "tense."
>>
>>I was driving on many miles on winding road yesterday, and I got to
>>experiment a little with it. Turns out that when I apply the brakes,
>>the noise drops quite noticebly (sp)! 
>>
>>Any clues as to what this could be?
>>
>constant velocity joint sounds like my first guess w/o seeing it?..
>anyone?

Aha!

Although noises changing when turning often means a CV joint, the noise
is generally described as a clicking noise.  More often than not it
is very hard to hear without sticking your head out the window, or 
driving next to a sound-reflective surface (wall).  I'll admit, however,
that the Omni's CV joints are easier to hear than most when they go bad,
since the car is farily small and econo-box-like.

But! (sorry, got sidetracked), this problem sounds like an exhaust
problem.  Clues:

o  '...driving straight ahead...engine noise...louder (compared to) 
    engine noise...turning left'

o  '...bring the car...straight ahead (from left), the noise increase'

o  '...positively loud...turn to right'

o  'apply brakes...noise drops noticeably'

No mention of clicking, and CV joines will generally make the noise when
turned EITHER way.

In this car, the exhaust manifold pipe (the pipe immediately AFTER the
exhaust manifold) is held to the manifold by two springs around screws
with a gasket in between the pipe and the manifold.  This allows the
pipe to shift when the engine shifts (without breaking) as it
generally does when accelerating, breaking or turning.

Consider what would happen if the right-hand screw has rusted away:

When the car turns to the left, the engine shifts right, holding the
joint between the manifold and the pipe closed (and the car quiet).

When the car is going straight, the engine is not shifting, and there
is a slight gap between the pipe and the manifold (and the car is
slightly noisy).

When the car is turning right, the engine shifts left, opening the gap
(and the car is loud).

When braking, the engine twists backward (the top moves slightly
closer to the driver), closing the gap and quieting the car.

I'd take the car to an exhaust shop.

(Let me know if I'm right!)

-- 
Adam G.
adamg@microware.com, or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Profits to Japan?
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:01:13 GMT

bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) complains:
> If there had been no unions, ... 12 year olds working in sweatshops 
> and coal mines. ....

Many people agree that the arrival of the unions was mostly a good thing.
However, people also agree that the original function of the unions has
been perverted to less useful purposes.          

> if the domestic manufacturer sells you a product that does not 
> perform - tell them.

The domestic manufacturer doesn't listen.  How do you think they got
in the mess they are in now?

> Chronic bitching about the big three here in r.a does little good, ...

It allows people to exchange ideas and points of view at light speed.
Some people, it appears, use this newsgroup to make part of their 
buying decisions.  It *does* affect the automakers.

> The really sad part is that after sitting around for ~15 years just
> collecting their pay, the GM board is now admitting that *they*
> screwed-up, but are they going to resign? Oh no, its just 75,000
> to 100,000 poor working stiffs that will wind up in the street.

True, in a way.  However, I don't know anyone (who is not in a big
union) who considers the average UAW member to be a "Poor Working Stiff."
Most college educated people do not make the same kind of money that a
PWS does.  It's hard for a $25k wage-earner to feel sorry for a $50k
UAW member who has better vacations, health care, etc.  The $25k person
will go for the best car every time.  Sure, what goes around comes around
and poor auto sales by the Big Three translate into a poor economy.  I
may even lose my job because of it.  I just can't be the sucker that
rewards poor quality buy buying it.

The 'Big Boys' in GM, Ford, etc. management don't care about me, the
consumer, it's true.  However, I don't really believe that the average
UAW member really gives a rats ass about my problems with a Ford 
Mustang.  Have they ever gone on strike to protest management's forcing
them to build an inferior product?  No.  Have they ever admitted to 
building an inferior product?  No, not at the time.  The standard line
is;  'We made a few mistakes in the past, but now our quality problems
are all under control.'  That was the same line I heard in 1985 when I
made the mistake of buying domestic.  When will that line be true?  1999?

When I see unions pushing for multi-skills training, profit sharing, 
and quality control (ie. more voice in management) then, I will feel
sorry for the out of work UAW worker.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: escort motor
Date: 13 Nov 1992 05:35:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu

ok..
now i'm curious..
what is an escort in Europe, and what kind of motor do they run?
i posted elsewhere, but it was in a thread, and, apparently,
inappropriate..oops..sorry..so..what?..please tell me...prefer 
to hear from those of you IN europe..but what the hey.
just post..my email's kinda flooded!
thanx
DREW
ps..do they still even sell an escort in europe??...comparable body
style to US..all that neat stuff!
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From: drt@chinet.chi.il.us (Donald Tveter)
Subject: How well does GALVANIZED STEEL prevent RUST?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:22:07 GMT

I'm likely to get a new car soon (likely a Chevy Corsica) with
galvanized (zinc plated) body panels.  GM guarantees the body panels
won't rust thru for 6 years or 100,000 miles.  However, if all goes
according to plan I hope the car will last 20 years and about 75,000
miles.

So now, how good is their galvanized steel?  Can anyone report any rust?

Should I go farther and get more rust-proofing, say from Ziebart or the
like?  If I get this extra rust-proofing are these people smart enough
to remove road salt first and then let the car dry before applying the
undercoat?  Can I wait until after the salt season to undercoat?
Should I wait until after the salt season to buy?

Thanks,

Don Tveter
drt@chinet.chi.il.us
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:23:22 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I thought this thread was for luxary AWDs and not CU.  Anyway, I think BMW has
an offering in this category as well:
       525ix and its touring cousin
I don't know if this AWD system is offered on 535 as well.  But think of it,
a BMW 5 series with AWD, how perfect!
From: jleung@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A St. Xavier alum)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mazda Protege: Problem with engaging 1st and rev. gear.
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:33:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx8A3K.Bq4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Nov4.214738.18023@syl.dl.nec.com> cwhsu@syl.dl.nec.com (James Hsu (214)518-3584) writes:
>Hello all Mazda Protege owners out there.  I have owned my 1991 Mazda
>Protege for almost a year and I am still having difficulty engaging first
>gear smoothly.  Specically, when I step on the clutch and engage the first
>gear, I always encounter noticable resistance, thus requiring me to engage
>the first gear slowly.  Also, sometimes I am unable to engage the reverse
>gear at all until I stepped the clutch several times.
>
>I have been driving stick-shift cars for a long time and I have never
>encountered situation like this.  I called Mazda's customer relationship
>department, which referred me to the dealer again (I already checked this
>with the dealer before I called Mazda customer relationship department).
>Basically the dealer said that there is nothing wrong about it and since
>Mazda didn't announce anything about it, they claim there is nothing to
>worry about.
>
>Has anybody encountered this sort of problem before?  Is this a potential
>problem or it is simply less than optimal design in the transmission?
>
>All comments are appreciated, preferably by email.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>James.
>
>email: cwhsu@syl.dl.nec.com

I too, own a 1991 Mazda Protege, 5spd....I have the LX model,
and sometimes, reverse gear is a bit hesitant to engage, but that is
just a matter of pressing down the clutch again and trying to put the
car in reverse again.......as for the 1st gear problem, i have never had
any problems with first gear...if anyone should have gearbox and/or clutch
trouble with their protege, it should be me, as i drive the car like it
is in the Indy 500 each time I take it out.....btw, have you modified yours
at all?

jason leung
>
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:02:48 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Nov10.233727.11527@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>
>A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
>car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?
>
   [Actually I drive a stick...but]

   Yup.  Ever heard of Jim Hall or Andy Granatelli?   

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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:43:47 GMT

In article <BxGq0G.419@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:
>bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>
>>???  How come all statements of how BMWs are such good cars always just
>>say "That car could NEVER be as good as a BMW", but they never explain
>>why.  I have a theory that the reason is that people who drop a load
>>on a car like a BMW with slow acceleration, soft handling, and spartan
>>interiors have no way to justify it other than saying "No other car
>>could be like a BMW".  Of course thats because they got drawn in by some
>>rhetoric about it being a "driver's car" or whatever bullshit BMW is using
>>to sell their mediocre cars nowadays.  I've driven a 735, and it was just
>>about the most boring thing I've ever driven other than a cadillac,
>>which is supposed to be boring.  I've also roadraced M3s, and flat
>>out accellerated an M5 and 630csi (European spec) up on the highway,
>>with no problem.  They don't have acceleration, topspeed, or handling,
>>nor do they have as many luxury appointments as a Caddy.
>

>twenty years and see if the Lexinfinitis even come close.  My 1969 BMW with
>220,000 miles is still solid as a rock, still starts every morning, and is
>still fun to drive.  I will be somewhat surprised if the Lexus and Infiniti
>can do as well.


Even Consumer Reports(something some people think to be Japanese
biased) rates the BWM 325i as high as the Lexus, because each achieve
their purpose superbly. 

john

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Tempo + SHO engine = ?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) says:

>In article <1992Nov12.141924.28848@metter.fmpmis.metter.com>, 
>virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes:
>> Right after the LH/Lexus fiasco, I pulled up to a light,and right next to
>> me came a teal '92 Tempo with the V6 driven by a very attractive young
>> woman--who kept peering at the badge on my Acclaim. Anyway, I sat there
>> and thought, "Hmmmm--now wouldn't it be cool,since the Tempo/Topaz are being
>> redesigned in another year, if they went ahead and made a Tempo GT and 
>stuffed
>> the SHO engine in it--made this thing maybe a limited production vehicle--
>and
>> sell it through select dealerships?"
>> 
>> Then again, maybe I should cut back on the hot chocolate in the morning...
>> Your opinions are welcome..bat this idea around a bit...
>
>There is a Tempo with a 3.8 Litre V-6 in it that R&T described as
>a baby SHO...
168 horses in a tempo vs. 220 in a taurus(i think those are the right
hp figures)...sounds like fun..but the taurus is obvioulsy going to
outperform the tempo, even w/o seeing anything but those figures...
ford would be dumb to let the tempo compete with the taurus in that 
respect....(or would they??) :-)
>But they have definitely not put an SHO engine in it yet.  I'm sure that 
>would be an interesting thought.  
DREW

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: High-mount Rear Brake Lights (Was Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:09:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, cook@mothra.rose.hp.com (Allan Cook) says:

>I don't know if any other make of car has this but my Honda Accord 
>has the 'chime' that goes off when open the door with your headlights
>turned on.
>
>- Allan
>
i was under the impression that MOST cars have this...just not MINE!!..
so i added one..$4 at K-mart...2min install time..works great!
DREW
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From: neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mazda Protege: Problem with engaging 1st and rev. gear.
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:02:06 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <SHANTANU.92Nov6172113@poseidon.oakhill.uucp> shantanu@poseidon.oakhill.uucp (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.221005.15533@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>
>   i also have occasional difficulty in engaging 1st and reverse in
>   my integra.  i just shove it into one of the forward gears
>   and then it goes into 1st/reverse easily when i try again (without
>   releasing the clutch).  the idea is to use the greater mechanical
>   advantage of higher gear synchros to slow down the shafts spinning
>   inside your transmission.  i always select a forward gear before going
>   to reverse since my car doesn't have synchros in reverse gear.
>   if you occasionally get grinding noises when you go to reverse, try this.
>   -teddy
>
>If the shifter refuses to go into first or reverse, put it in neutral,
>and lift the clutch. Then press the clutch again, and you will
>be able to shift much more easily. 

I've tried both methods, and using one of the forward gears is the
one that works best with my probe (another mazda tranny).  The bit
with using neutral and declutching didn't seem to do anything at all.

I typically have a problem engaging 1st or reverse if the car is rolling
slightly.  Using any of 2nd - 4th before going to 1st or reverse works
wonders.

--Neil

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:03:39 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1dms80INN2hu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) says:
>
>>In article <1dck4tINNqj3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:

>>>if everyone were required to learn
>>>to drive a manual, then they would have the choice, 
>>
>>If everyone was _required_ to learn use a manual you would just have _removed_
>>their freedom of choice.
>
>hmm..i do not recall being asked which i preferred to learn on...in fact..i 
>recall being FORCED to learn on an auto if at all, thus, i think, they are
>making the decision to FORCE us to learn on the WRONG type....they are trying
>to teach autos first, and then stick if you wanna..should be the other way 
>around..read my thread insert on typing.

Pray tell, who actually forced you to learn in an Auto?  Big brother,
the US government?  The person running the driving school probably didn't 
have a manual vehicle available.  Why?  Because the majority of their clients
wanted to learn in an auto.  The capital investment in purchasing a second
vehicle with manual,  and perhaps fitting dual control etc. was probably 
the major factor. 

Blame it on economics and the American way.  Most American people are 
obviously very happy in their automatics.   

There is absolutely nothing to stop you learning later.  In fact there
is nothing to stop you buying a car with a manual trans and learning 
yourself.  You probably won't do any more damage then you would had you
learned in one from scratch.  In fact you may do _less_ as your mind 
will be less overloaded.  

Ah, those heady days,  off down the road, now lift your right foot, put
your left foot on the clutch, now pull the lever back, now before we
grind to a halt gently put your foot on the right pedal.  GENTLY.
Second gear - very good Derek.  15 miles an hour and boy did it feel fast.  
I think I may have even got into third during the first lesson but fourth, 
I'm not sure.  And only crunched them....


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