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From: maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Bahamas News (if Yuh int'rested)
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:34:33 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California


Prime Minister Ingraham ran on an anti-corruption platform, and has
pledged to make a number of reforms and new economic initiatives.
He wants to have a civil service competency test to weed out
incompetent political appointments, and he wants to institute a
national service corps for young Bahamians.

He has a large task ahead of him. While the Bahamas is a model in
the Caribbean in terms of a healthy democracy with little civil
unrest and all the needed basis for economic health, it is in
precarious financial straits right now, with an economy that is
still largely dependent on tourism.

There is a real tendency to look for quick fixes, by selling natural
resources and giving in to large-scale foreign development.
I hope this doesn't happen. Neither of these solutions will help the
average Bahamian, and in the end both would lead to destruction of
the Bahamian environment.

Both Prime Minister Ingraham and former Prime Minister Pindling have
told the people of the Bahamas that they have to consider going back
to old ways of self-sufficiency, particularly on the Family Islands,
with small-scale farming and fishing to sustain small settlements,
instead of the influx to Nassau and Freeport that has led to an
increase in crime and unemployment. Life on most of the Family
Islands remains very hard, and Hurricane Andrew's devastation of
north Eleuthera didn't help.

Right now several emergency measures have been announced but not
enforced. The telephone company and the electric utility (both
government owned) have announced that they will not accept
personal checks, but this was greeted with such an outcry
that the policy is not being enforced. Prime Minister Ingraham was
supposedly outraged to hear that government employees had run up
HUGE unpaid phone and utility bills and has insisted that these bills be
paid off immediately. Government revenues are terribly low.

It remains to be seen whether Prime Minister Ingraham can mobilize
the Bahamian people without succumbing to politicizing the
situation. Former Prime Minister Pindling gave a very gracious 
concession speech, but his 19-year history leaves behind a lot of
habits that Ingraham says he intends to change. 
Change comes slowly in the Bahamas, as a rule. I'm told that the
general attitude of most people is only very cautiously optimistic.

Valerie Maslak
(who is waiting for her sideblanket to come back from Andros)
From: jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Caribbean stores/restaurants in L.A. area ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:04:28 GMT
Distribution: la
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo

In article <19NOV199223433435@juliet.caltech.edu> wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.) writes:
>My wife is from Trinidad and is currently pregnant with our second child.
>She's having some awful cravings for food from home, so I was wondering if 
>anybody knows about any Caribbean (I'm afraid Trinidadian is too much to ask
>for) stores or restaurants in the L.A. area (more specifically the San Gabriel
>valley).
>
It isn't in the the San Gabriel area but I thought you
might wasnt to know about a restaurant/store that a friend
has in the Crenshaw area. His name is Juicy and he's from
Jamaica. His restaurant is called Natraliart and serves
excellent fish, chicken, and vegetable dishes ina JA style.

The success of his restaurant has enabled him to open up
a little store next door with JA goodies like pickapeppa
sauce and callaloo.

He's located around Washington and 6th Ave. a few blocks
east of the intersection of Crenshaw and Washington.


....
jimh@west.sun.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: f34151k@taltta.hut.fi (Juha A. Kurkela)
Subject: Re: Dragon Stout (was: Re: Jumbies, Duppies...)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:56:32 GMT

In article <8yoFuB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>
>> As for staying too long in backra country, mi jus come back fram
>> dung a yaad -- di lan a di $500 dollar taxi ride -- an fi mi belly
>> fill up wid plenty patty and Dragon!
>                               ^^^^^^^
>No offence man, but how can you drink that stuff!?
>
>Now RED STRIPE, ah she goes down nice!

Dragon is GOOD, especially with patties. But could you guys tell me why
Rastamen usually drink Dragon instead of Red Stripe? All Rastas which
me know choose that stout stuff. They say it tastes better, but me know
these beers are both very good - and Red Stripe is a little bit cheaper!


Juha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.african.american
From: Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com (Anthony Maillard)
Subject: St. Vincent - Elvis Stamps (if Yuh int'rested)
Followup-To: soc.culture.caribbean
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:34:41 GMT


St. Vincent

Elvis Has Been Sighted.......in St. Vincent?

St. Vincent has just released a set of Elvis Presley postage stamps -
beating the U.S. Postal Service by over 6 months.
While the post office was trying to decide between the young and the old
Elvis, here you have this tiny nation thats issued nine different stamps
showing Elvis in every stage of his career, said Jeffrey Franz of the
International Collectors Society in Baltimore, Md., who is distributing the
stamps in the U.S., still, I dont see the Postal Service getting all
shook up over this.
Each of the stamps is about four times the size of a regular U.S. stamp,
and has a face value of $1.00. Theyre really stunning with all the
colourful images printed together on the same commemorative sheet, added
Franz.
The U.S. will be issuing only one Elvis stamp in 1993, based on the outcome
of the national vote held earlier this year. The U.S. postal service
indicated that at least 300 million U.S. stamps will be issued.
When you compare that to the St. Vincent issue which is a limited edition
worldwide, you can see the appeal that the St. Vincent stamps will have to
stamp collectors and Elvis fans, pointed out Franz.

Source - TV Guide.

Anthony Maillard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com (Anthony Maillard)
Subject: Bahamas News (if Yuh int'rested)
Followup-To: soc.culture.caribbean
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:25:31 GMT

                                                     Bahamians Change Govt

Hubert Ingrahams Free National Movement (FNM) defeated Prime Minister Sir
Lynden Pindlings Progressive Liberal Party (PLP) in general elections held
in August. The defeat ended a 25 year reign by the PLP.
Mr. Ingraham said that there will be more open government in the Bahamas
from now on. Parliament will be televised live. There will be a big screen
outside the House, so that the public can see what is going on in the
Chamber, and there will be information about what the Cabinet is discussing
and when. 
Hubert Ingraham is only the second Prime Minister in the 18 year history of
the Independent Commonwealth of Bahamas.

Source - Class Magazine

Anthony Maillard
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:11:12 -0500 
From: Kirk A Abbott <ka0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: UWI email addresses

Cheers All,

This is my first post on this bb.  Some of the stuff seems kinda cool.  Others
sound like a set of very lonely foreigners...

I am Carnegie Mellon University and an alma mater of UWI St. Augustine. 
I would
like to get working e-mail addresses also.  I received some a while back from a
public ftp site, but only the ones for Puerto Rico were working.

A reply, public or private will be fine.

T'was nice posting.

ka0p@globe.edrc.cmu.edu
ka0p@andrew.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Jumbies, Duppies, and Spiritsy
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:46:13 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov16.204230.12473@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, lnm5844@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> Hey, are they any Jamacians out there who have heard of Mauby?
> I have a jamacian friend here who claims that there is either
> no such thing, or that it must be called by a different name.
> If you are Jamacian, and you know what I am talking adout, then
> please reply. This matter mut be cleared up immediately! There
> are just somethings that every Caribbean person should know!!!
> 
> 						 Thanks
> 							Moose.

Wee this is one yardie who neva hear bout no Mauby..  oh yes, Mauby is a bitter
Trini drink -:)

McBean
From: ecurtis@orion.oac.uci.edu (Evans Curtis)
Subject: Re: Dragon Stout (was: Re: Jumbies, Duppies...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:41:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.145632.29847@nntp.hut.fi> f34151k@taltta.hut.fi (Juha A. Kurkela) writes:
>In article <8yoFuB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>
>Dragon is GOOD, especially with patties. 
                                 ^^^^^^^^
Back home (Nicaragua's east coast) we make something called (hot) patty. 
They are like little croisants (?) with ground meat inside and baked to a crisp.
Are we talking the same thing here?  Of course it's 'hot' because the meat
has gourd (goat?) pepper in it.

We also have something called plantain tart, which is similar but larger and 
sweet instead.  Do you folks know this?
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Dragon Stout (was: Re: Jumbies, Duppies...)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:18:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <8yoFuB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>
>> As for staying too long in backra country, mi jus come back fram
>> dung a yaad -- di lan a di $500 dollar taxi ride -- an fi mi belly
>> fill up wid plenty patty and Dragon!
>                               ^^^^^^^
>No offence man, but how can you drink that stuff!?
>
>Now RED STRIPE, ah she goes down nice!
>

Dragon, you see, puts it back. (What does it put back you ask? Well,
now, that would be telling, though you could ask the sheik with the
large harem...)

-- 
____________________________________________________________________
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re: Jumbies, Duppies, and Spirits
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:44:32 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1e8u78INNhnv@network.ucsd.edu>, fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.165754.10129@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>In article <1dufnhINNctn@network.ucsd.edu>, fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>>> 
>>> Rivah Mumma (or Myamaid)
>>> Anansi (how you leave him out?)
>>> Takooma
>>
>>Anancy is a jinnal, not a duppy.. As Mutaburaka says "It no good fi stay in a
>>white man country too long" -:)  You're losing it Ledgister, time to go back
>>home-:)
>>
> 
> Anansi is a god, remember; the god of stories. In any case, a
> mythical being.

Nope.  Let me hit you with an Anancy story from memory.  Anancy goes out to
gather food, and comes back with a several bunches of bananas.  Being greedy he
wants to eat it all, but he will look bad.  So, jinnal that he is, he gives all
the bananas to his family leaving none for himself.  Everybody feels sorry for
him and gives him half of what he gave them.  So Anansi ends up with half of
the food.  Anansi is a supposed to be a spider.  

On a side, this is supposed to be one of the things which established the
Ashanti origins of many Jamaicans (same Anancy tradition), as well as names
like Cudjoe.

> 
> As for staying too long in backra country, mi jus come back fram
> dung a yaad -- di lan a di $500 dollar taxi ride -- an fi mi belly
> fill up wid plenty patty and Dragon!

Look forward to my permanent return in February or so.   $500 taxi ride you
said?  Damn, mus juk down the bossman fi more dollars den..

McBean

Nah live a foreign and tun shoeshine,
Prefer do some hustling on the front line.
 	--	Junior Reid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: karib@next10wor.wam.umd.edu (Bediako Ntodi George)
Subject: Re: Jumbies, Duppies, and Spiritsy
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:21:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.204230.12473@ultb.isc.rit.edu>  
lnm5844@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> Hey, are they any Jamacians out there who have heard of Mauby?
> I have a jamacian friend here who claims that there is either
> no such thing, or that it must be called by a different name.
> If you are Jamacian, and you know what I am talking adout, then
> please reply. This matter mut be cleared up immediately! There
> are just somethings that every Caribbean person should know!!!
> 
> 						 Thanks
> 							Moose.

Yeah man, Mauby is made from the bark of a tree!  The drink is reddish and  
is best drank cold and with a cinnamon.  Great Drink!  I'm Guyanese and  
the drink is very popular there!
						Bediako George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.african.american
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Honduras, Bay Islands
From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:03:11 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

	My husband, Jim, and I just returned from 2 weeks on the Northern
	Coast of Honduras and Roatan.  I kept a journal so I wouldn't forget
	things like costs, what's good and what's not, etc.  If anyone is
	interested in details of these wonderful places, at least from the
	visitor's viewpoint, please e-mail to me; I don't always have time
	to check the newsgroup.

	Anyway, here's a factoid:  What country has the largest Garifuna
	population, AFTER THE U.S.?  (That's right, the good ole US of A
	has the largest!) Answer:  Honduras.  (Got that out of the English
	language weekly in Honduras)


		Bye.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC)
Subject: Re: Jumbies, Duppies, and Spiritsy
Reply-To: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:43:17 GMT

Hail Moose,

I believe that mauby is the trinidadian name for that drink. I have not come across it in Jamaica, but it might be very similar to some of the 'Roots' beverages we have. Some how, I guess that Jamaicans and the other Islanders have markedly different tastes at times.

						Guidance
							P.C.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: plm@reggae.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt)
Subject: Re: Dragon Stout (was: Re: Jumbies, Duppies...)
Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:52:55
	<1992Nov20.145632.29847@nntp.hut.fi>

>>> As for staying too long in backra country, mi jus come back fram
>>> dung a yaad -- di lan a di $500 dollar taxi ride -- an fi mi belly
>>> fill up wid plenty patty and Dragon!
>>                               ^^^^^^^
>>No offence man, but how can you drink that stuff!?
>>
>>Now RED STRIPE, ah she goes down nice!

> Dragon is GOOD, especially with patties. But could you guys tell me why
> Rastamen usually drink Dragon instead of Red Stripe? All Rastas which
> me know choose that stout stuff. They say it tastes better, but me know
> these beers are both very good - and Red Stripe is a little bit cheaper!

Rastas drink Dragon instead of Red Stripe because you can use it to make
special mixes.  Try Dragon with some condensed milk and "raw" eggs.
I'll definitely be having some when I forward home.

> Juha
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From: Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com (Anthony Maillard)
Subject: Caribbean Tourism Down (if Yuh int'rested)
Followup-To: soc.culture.caribbean
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:28:51 GMT

Caribbean Tourism Down

Tourism in the Caribbean fell in 1991, the first decrease in ten years and
that trend continued in the first half of 1992, reports Jean Holder, the
secretary general of the Caribbean Tourism Association. 
Holder speaking to the Grenada Board of Tourism, said that the downturn was
caused, in part, by the war in the Persian Gulf, recessions in many regular
tourist-generating markets and the demise of PanAmerican Airways and
several large tour operators.
....It now appears that 1992 will probably continue to be a year of little
or no overall growth in travel to the Caribbean from North America, Holder
concluded.

Source - Class Magazine

Anthony Maillard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: karib@next10wor.wam.umd.edu (Bediako Ntodi George)
Subject: Re: Jumbies, Duppies, and Spirits
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:15:44 GMT

I> : Do you know which countries their from and what they are? :-
> : 
> : Duppy (real easy)	Googaralli
> : Rolling Calf		Hydaralli
> : Steel Donkey		
> : Bacooman
> : Moose
> : Loogaroo
> : Soucouyant
> : Ole Higue
> : Female (pretty hard)
> : Cribeau
> : Dutchman
> : Moongazer
> : Massacourou man
> : Bush Dai-Dai

As far as I know, Guyana probably has the stronghold for variety of  
Jumbees, most likeky due to the fact that there far so many different  
cultures that make up this nation.  The Amerindians, namely the Wassau,  
the Arawaks, and to some extent the Caribs, have contributed a great deal  
towards Guyanese folklore.  Of the list above, the Massacourou Man and the  
Bush Dai-Dai are of Amerindian origin.  The Massacourou Man is water  
spirit the frequents the rivers and creeks of Guyana.  This spirit is said  
to prey on people in small boats or while they're near the water at night  
(whether bathing, or wahing clothes).  More recently, Porkknockers  
(Guyanese term for gold and diamond miners) are said to fall into his (or  
maybe it is a her!) hands as they stumble away from the campsite towards  
the river in a drunken stupor. (part of the lifestyle of porkknockers!).   
More likely they just fell in the river!  The Bush Dai-Dai is quite a  
character himself.  As the name suggests, he walks aruond in the jungle  
picking up small children and hunters.  He is supposedly hard to track  
since his feet are said to be on backwards, thus you can't tell whether he  
is coming or going!  Of course if you knew you were tracking a Bush  
Dai-Dai you wouldn't follow the tracks the right way.  I notice, if you  
look at these stories long enough there is always some discrepancy you'll  
find that just can't be answered.  Take for instance, the Cribeau, That  
water snake that wears a Golden Crown.  It is said that if it catches you  
in water it will squeeze you until your bones break.  It knows that your  
bones are broken when it hears a dry crack.  According to folklore, the  
only way to get away is to find a dry stick and break it so that the  
Cribeau snake wil think that your bones are broken and will then let you  
go!  That's all very fine but what I want to know is where do you find a  
dry stick in the middle of a river!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon)
Subject: Wanted - tourist info for Chicago area
Summary: want info on chicago area
Keywords: chicago
Organization: Integrated Micro Products Ltd
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:21:31 GMT

Hi there!

I will be visiting the Chicago area in a few weeks time, and
wondered whether anyone out there can tell me about things to
see, things to do, places to eat, etc - anything that you think
might be helpful.

I will be there on business, and therefore working most of each
day, but my SO, who is accompanying me, will be free during that
time and so would like to know about places to visit in the area.
We will be staying somewhere between Schaumberg and Chicago, and
will have the use of a car (automobile).

Thanks!
-- 

===============================================================================
Dave | dsg@imp.co.uk | +44 753 516599 | "C^i tio ne estas .subskribo"
===============================================================================
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: southern culture ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:12:16 GMT
 <1694@anagld.analytics.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I don't think it's a difference between the North and the South -- it
may just be a New York thing.  I'm a native New Yorker, and none of
what you described as having happened to you in the South happens to me
when I go back to New York.

Here in Hanover, NH, though, it's a different story -- I've gotten into
conversations with people in waiting rooms, on the checkout line (about
the tabloids!), talking to the town clerk of Dixville Notch, ....

There's a writer (and part-time Dartmouth prof) named Noel Perrin who's
written a couple of books of really interesting essays about life in
Vermont -- I think he himself was originally from New York City.  If
you can find any of these books, you'd probably enjoy him.

I bet this 'southern culture' thing should really be called 'small-town
life'.

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
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From: garrett@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Adam Garrett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.penpals
Subject: Re: Question on Thanksgiving...
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:30:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov19.023029.17971
Organization: University of Washington Libraries, Seattle

In article <1992Nov19.103053.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>
>	A general question to the world....
>
>	Can anyone tell me when Thanksgiving is? Is it celebrated
>	all over America at the same time?
>
>	Thanks,
>
>	Morgana
>	miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au

Thanksgiving in the US is all day November 26th.  I suspect it would be
very difficult to get the entire US to celebrate it at the same time. 
Some of the problems would include our 4 timezones and whether some people
eat the big meal during early afternoon or wait until later in the
evening.  Does that help?  :-)

-Adam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Thanksgiving
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:32:49 GMT



With all this talk of Thanksgiving, I'm getting hungry.

When do we eat?
-- 
It (the telephone) will unmake our work. No greater instrument of counter- 
revolution and conspiracy can be imagined --- Josef Vissarvonovich Stalin
From: hhrant@ocf.berkeley.edu (Helgge Minassian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Turkish Newspaper Goes Too Far
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:54:38 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

    A major Turkish Newspaper is being sued for apparently
    asking President Elect Clinton to "fuck himself".  The
    newspaper's name is Turan.  
    
    Helgge
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