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From: haugen@bulus3.micral.com (John M. Haugen)
Subject: Re: MICROCHANNEL, ANYONE?
Summary: microchannel linux
Organization: Micral, Inc., Minneapolis, MN.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:25:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.100741.11041@aston.ac.uk> evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
>chrisopj@acfcluster.nyu.edu writes:
>: One finds it hard to speak softly enough when asking dumb questions to
>: hudres of people, but I really must:  I am one of the unfortunate PS/2
>: owners cursed with micro-channel architecture (my father works for IBM,
>: so he conned me into it), and wonder if there are any possibilities of
>: Linux making the (sideways/backwards??) leap from ISA to MCA...?  I read
>: the FAQ, and I know it isn't supported right now...
>
>Any chance of conning your father into telling you how the thing works.
>i.e. how do you talk to the disc controller in MCA slot 4?
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Actually the microchannel is not that different than the ISA bus as far as
software is concerned. Low memory is almost identical. The CMOS has been
extended, not changed wholesale. 

In working with another OS company who ported their Unix to PS/2 machines,
they only had to make some "minor" changes to their "esdi" driver to have
it work on microchannel machines.  I think one problem was they did not
read the status register after each interrupt which is required to reset it.
PS/2 machines use level sensitive interrupts instead of edge triggered ones
on ISA machines. More reliable.

Our company makes PS/2 compatible systems and also do our own PS/2 BIOS
(both "C" and "A"). One of my tasks here is to be the Unix liason. I am new
to this newsgroup so I am not aware of what has been said in this newsgroup
previously. Maybe I can be of assistence in "porting" this OS to 
microchannel machines.

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From: toivo@ucs.uwa.OZ.AU (Toivo Pedaste)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: a shell idea
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:54:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: sage.ucs.uwa.edu.au

>>In article <1e8m7pINN51i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>>>i was thinking that one could create a "super" shell which understood
>>>the syntax of all the major shells: csh, tcsh, ksh, sh, bash, ash, etc.
>>>of course, size would be affected, but imagine the power, not to 
>>>mention the end of all the bickering.

Have a look at zsh, it is pretty close to a merger of csh/tcsh and sh/ksh.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Assembler help needed.  Real bad like.
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:20:04 GMT

Hello Linuxland!

Could anyone help me with any of the folowing problems related
to assembly programming under linux?

1) I'm using as86 because it uses the mnemonics which I like
and am used to (Intel 8086).  Should I use the slightly weird
gas instead?  How can I learn how to use it?  Where are the
docs/man pages for these things hidden in this vast world?  

2) Why does as86 give me the following error:

         MOV    DX,ES:[BX]
---------------------^
Junk after operands

3) How is the video controller programmed directly under Linux,
or for that matter, any Unix-style O/S?

4) What is an "unbound label"?

5) How hard/easy is it to mix C and assembler under Linux?  I have
experience doing this under DOS (386) and Ultrix (MIPS) but am a
little scared to try under Linux.  I'm trying to port my extensive
library of VGA code from the DOS environment.  So far, no problems
except from the assembler.

Any help greatly appreciated.


C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,uka.misc,uka.wanted
From: gauderer@t524i4.ira.uka.de (Patric Gauderer)
Subject: Re: Karlsruher LINUX-Anwender!
Organization: /usr/users_2/gauderer/.organization
	<1992Nov19.093552.12185@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
Distribution: uka
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:26:43 GMT

Hallo,

ich habe eben erst begonnen Linux zu benutzen und kaempfe teilweise
noch mit meiner installation z.B. habe ich es noch nicht geschafft den 
X11 Server in Farbe zum laufen zu bringen. Ansonsten finde ich 
Linux nicht schlecht.

Patric
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: weiwen@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Wei-Wen Lee)
Subject: Newbie question
Reply-To: weiwen@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Wei-Wen Lee)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:58:58 GMT


Hello there,
	I am currently in the process of purchasing a 486-50DX EISA
machine, and I would like to install linux on it.  I was wondering a couple
of things, since I am not too well versed in this stuff.

1) would linux support the EISA architecture?

2) what i/o devices does linux support? i dont think I phrased this
correctly, so, like, what disk controller, does it support SCSI II? in
particular the DTC3290, does it support the 32bit Graphics Accelerator
card? Does it support a SCSI II disk drive? ie. stuff like that.

Any information would be greatly appreciated, and I am sorry if some of
this stuff is repititive ( actually, if there is a FAQ, I would appreciate
a copy of that also. ) If one could also point me to the right place to
look, I would also appreciate that.

Thanks.

/weiwen@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Image Magick 2.1 and graphics jump libs available at sunsite
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh Dept. of Computer Science, Scotland

In article <1992Nov23.092946.23409@fys.ruu.nl>, hooft@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Hooft) writes:
> In <chengb.722231259@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> chengb@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bruce) writes:
>>OK, for those who are interested, I have uploaded the diffs for 
>>the latest Image Magick 2.1 to Sunsite, you can get the original source
>>from export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib and compile after you patch
>>it with my diffs.  You'll need the jump libs I uploaded, ...

> I think there is a mistake somewhere. If those are jumplibs they are 
> not useful to anyone, because jumplibs need a shared image in /lib/
> to run, and that doesn't seem to be included. I think these are just
> normal libraries, containing all the code.

> Anyone needing a graphics jumplib (with the disk-space-saving-effect)
> could as well check my package on sunsite.unc.edu
> /pub/Linux/Incoming/jumptables/libgr01.TZ. it also contains the four
> p[pgbn]m libs. And there's more jumptables in the same directory (f2c
> and readline), and some packages using them.

Thoroughly seconded.  Shared libraries are supposed to save disk
space, and they won't do so if everybody releases their own versions
of those libraries.  I have already got those of Rob Hooft's jumplibs
which I need; they were, I think, the first graphics jumplibs
available so it probably makes as much sense for them to become
standard as anybody else's.

Maybe this should be made official; should they be put into
/pub/OS/Linux/lib on funet, perhaps?  Come to think of it, is there
anybody, anywhere, looking after standard libs (apart from HJ's libc,
of course)?

Cheers,
 Stephen Tweedie.
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Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University, Scotland.
From: K111114@ALIJKU11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: telnetd
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:40:07 GMT
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center

> Linux .98 pl 5.

ftp to and from the machine works fine.
telnet to another machine works fine.
telnet to the linux-host says: "Connection closed by foreign host".
In / , there now is a file called core :->
Looks like telnetd produces this coredump.
When I start telnetd manually, it says "getpeername: Bad file number"
Is that the reason ?
I do need the source for telnetd to recompile it ... where can I get it ?

Thank you , Herp.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Subject: Re: Conference Unix et linux
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:40:57 GMT

In article <722438907.AA22022@remote.halcyon.com> Nicolas.Nowinski@p3000.f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nicolas Nowinski) writes:
> > Yves;
> >  Voudrais-tu rendre accessible les conferences unix et
> > linux par Bluewave
> > si c'est possible. Moi je pense que ma configuration
> > est correcte, sinon veux-tu me donner l'information
> > pour les rendre accessibles par bluewave.
>
>    I thought that FIDONet Policy v4.0 calls for using ENGLISH in all
>but designated AREAS! ! !
>
> * Origin: Another PerManNet Kit (1:109/349.3000)
>

Vous ne parlez pas francais?  Dommage...

Aren't we being a bit testie?  Actually, it doesn't take a french 
major to figure out what the above message says. 

- Ken
From: Rob.Levin@p13.f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: tentative release dates?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:43:19 -0800

Replying to a message by Linus Torvalds of 1:343/94@fidonet, Nov 20
09:47, to All:

 LT> ....I'm also looking into loadable keymaps. We'll see.

Thank you!  My wife will love you forever, as she is emphatically *NOT*
a fan of the American Dvorak keyboard.  [grin]


Rob L.

 * Origin: Via the Annex in Victoria, Texas (1:3802/217.13)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ins217t@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: something's freaking out olvwm
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:30:14 GMT

wissner@beech.mcs.gvsu.edu (Jim Wissner) writes:


>Has anybody else had strange problems with olvwm?  For some
>reason, when I try to use it, it brings X down, complaining
>about some sort of memory problem (can't remember exact words).
>Oddly enough, twm works just fine.

>I've been using olvwm for a heck of a long time now, and have
>never had any problems.  This seems to be happening on pl4 and 5.
>I've recompiled; it's not just an old binary.  I'm using HLU's
>package on a 486-33, 12mb RAM, tseng, etc etc.  I've had the
>same setup for quite a while (I did get a new drive; but have a
>hard time picturing /that/ causing this problem).

>I follow the group and haven't seen anyone else ask about this,
>so I'm assuming that I'm just missing something blatantly obvious.
>Any clues would be great; else I'm probably just stumble upon it.

Yeah, If you're using DIRMENU in your .openwin-menu or WINMENU,
it crashes the moment it rereads the file, and then refuses to run until you 
take it out...
There's a patch for olvwm3.2 posted not too long ago, but I haven't
looked at it yet...

ENjoy !

Cos !
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			ins217t@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
			cos@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
"Language is a virus from outer space" - William S. Burroughs
From: alex@maui.llnl.gov (Alex Copeland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS Questions
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:17:10 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

I have installed SLS 0.98, full installation (+X). There are several
commands that don't work and I'm wondering if this is normal or if
I bungled the installation. *more*, *man*, *find* all return a
"bad command or file not found" message. *mount* informs me that 
"(dir name) does not exist or device busy" regardless of what I try
to mount. Finally, emacs runs but reports that man and lisp will not
work because /usr/emacs/.. is not found. I checked out the directories
emacs complains about and they are both ln to /usr/local. I am running
on a 386-40/120M IDE and I installed SLS from the b: drive (1.44M). Any
tips are greatly appreciated.

Alex Copeland
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E)
Subject: installing SLS (easy questions)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:08:50 GMT

I got the a1 and a2 files from SLS. Rawrite hangs my machine, but Coherent
dd worked and linux booted. I got a warning WD8013 board not found at 
i/o=280, but it recognized my partions ok, so I guess this warning can be
ignored?

I ftp'd the files from the a3 dir. Am I correct in thinking that they
should be all dos-copied to a floppy as is and the install program will
know how to uncompress, utar, etc?

I want to install linux on a 95 meg partition. Is the extended filesytem
working well or should I make a 64 meg partition?

txia.
Timothy. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: umrose05@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Rose)
Subject: NEEDED: diffs for uucp
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:04:08 GMT

Because I've upgraded to pl5, my uucp is crippled. I need the diffs
for uucp. I was previously using mailpaks version of uucp. Can someone
PLEASE send me the diffs? 

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: spcberto@psyche.spc.uchicago.edu (Robert Osterlund)
Subject: SLS installation -- a suggested addition
Keywords: SLS, install
Organization: University of Chicago, SSPPCC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:03:17 GMT

By now, I've gone through several Linux SLS installations, most of them
troublesome, but lately they've gone quite well only because I have a
specially prepared utilities disk running off my /dev/fd1 and offering
just about any utility (including a customized sysinstall script) that
might prove handy in an install emergency.

Anyway, would it be possible for the administrators of the SLS package
to include vi or even ed on the a2 disk?  (And cram other stuff like dd
in there if there is still room?)  If things go wrong, it would be
nice to have the option to go in and edit the sysinstall & doinstall
scripts.

Bob Osterlund
berto@clio.spc.uchicago.edu
SSPPCC--University of Chicago

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tgao@cs.uiuc.edu (Tong Gao)
Subject: where can I find doc. for minicom in SLS?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:02:29 GMT

Sorry if this is a stupid question. I just installed SLS98pl5 for the first 
time. To my surprise, so many things in this package works perfectly that I
think I should continue using it. However, I need to communicate with outside
world with modem, and I had a difficult time finding the communication software.
I have not installed x yet, so I guess minicom is my only choice. However, I
can not find any document for it. And when I just type in minicom, it gives
me some error message. Could somebody please point out to me where I can find
document for minicom? Also is there any other alternative besides mincom?
Thanks in advance.

Tong
tgao@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stephan@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Stephan Biesbroeck)
Subject: Re: 486 notebook+Linux etc. = SPARCbook?
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:56:59 GMT

In article <BxoAJ8.Ior@cs.psu.edu>, corbet@sargon.astro.psu.edu (Robin Corbet) writes:
|> I'm thinking of getting some type of notebook computer.
|> Ideally I'd like a SPARCbook but that's too expensive.
|> Does anyone have any experience of using Linux/X11/XView
|> on a 486 based notebook in running Sun applications?
|> If so what would be a reasonable type of minimum configuration
|> to run a few XView based tasks (e.g. textedit, olwm, a few cmdtool's)?
|> Would a Gateway 2000 Nomad 425DXL be a good machine for this
|> type of use?
|> Any other words of advice?
I have a notebook 486DX/33 Highscreen notebook with 120 Mb disk and 4 M RAM
I have taken a 40M partition for dos and 80 M for linux.
Linux is running really fine, but I haven't installed X yet. I will
do this during this week.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> 	Robin
|> 	corbet@astro.psu.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: serial ports are broken in p4!
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:01:32 GMT

   From: Jim.Corbett@f35.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Corbett)
   Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:30:03 -0800

   I found that a cable I was using caused my serial connection between
   Kermit 
   on linux and Kermit on a MS-DOS PC.

   The cable worked fine w/0.98pl1 not with pl2-pl5.

   I believe it is pin 4, old cable was 2-3, 3-2, 4-4, 6-20 and 7-7.
   New cable is 2-3, 3-2 and 7-7 and works fine.

4-4 sounds suspicious; I doubt that was right!  A "correct" null modem
cable would have done something like this:

	1 - 1 (protective ground)
	2 - 3 (TX->RX)
	3 - 2 (RX->TX)
	4 - 5 (RTS->CTS)
	5 - 4 (CTS->RTS)
	6 - 20 (DSR->DTR)
	7 - 7 (Ground)
	20 - 6 (DTR-DSR)

What you probably saw happening is that after 0.98pl1, Linux started
supporting hardware handshaking, which is one more thing to get right.
The hueristic used by Linux is that if DSR is asserted, then Linux
assumes that hardware handshaking is enabled; that is, it will only send
characters if the remote side has signal that it is OK to do so using
the RTS/CTS lines.  If DSR is not asserted, then the assumption is that 
the remote side probably doesn't understand hardware handshaking, and so
Linux will not look at the RTS/CTS lines.

The serial driver can be forced to obey the RTS/CTS lines by doing a
"stty CRTSCTS" on that particular serial line.  It can also be forced to
never look at the RTS/CTS lines by doing a "stty NOCRTSCTS" on that
particuliar serial port.  (Note: not all stty's support NOCRTSCTS; it is
a trivial patch to stty to get it to support the new termio flag,
though.)

What probably was happening was that your cable was causing DSR to be
asserted, and either the RTS/CTS lines were not translated correctly, or
your remote PC was not handling the hardware handshaking correctly.  It
would be best to get a full cable and/or get your PC to do hardware
handshaking correctly, since you need that if you want to do high speed
reliable transfers.  Solving it the way you did, by getting a simple
calbe that doesn't try to do anything with the DTR/DSR and CTS/RTS lines
works, as you saw, but at the cost of losing hardware handshaking.

							- Ted
From: burnett@cs.purdue.edu (Andy Burnett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X library problems?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:26:57 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: aphrodite.cs.purdue.edu

  I have been using linux for about a month now and I have been having
trouble compliling X programs.  It seems like my X shared libs are not in
proper working order :-)  An example: I recently d/l-ed Seyon1.0.
Everything compile fine, but when run it died due to signal 11 in
XtAppInitialize.  I changed the Makefile line: LIBS = -lXaw -LXt, etc, to
LIBS = /usr/X386/lib/libXaw.a /usr/X386/lib/libXt.a, etc and it ran fine.
Has anyone else run into this?  Do I have my system installed improperly?
My system: 486/33, 16 MB memory, running 0.98 pl 5.  I've had this problem
thru patch levels 1-5, so I don't think it's patch level dependent.

  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

			&y
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&y Burnett : burnett@cs.purdue.edu : Purdue University Graduate :-)
From: chad@eng.umd.edu (R Michael McMahon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Xterm dies with 0.98pl4
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:10:22 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: chad@laplace.src.umd.edu


In article <1992Nov13.102025.22518@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, ckub11@zx1.Darkcrystal.Cyberspace (Marc Gutschner) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I encounter a strange problem with 0.98pl4 and Xfree86 1.0 and 1.1.
>Depending on the phase of the moon, the wall clock and some flies
>crossing through the room, my 1st Xterm simply dies on keyboard input.
>If I start another one from the twm-menu, everything will be fine.
>This appears to be a very subtle problem to me. 
>
>As I mentioned this won't happen everytime but you never know when it will
>happen :-(((
>Maybe this is connected to the changes in the maximum number of open
>file-descriptors ? Would it be sufficient to get Xterm-Sources and simply 
>recompile ? Any help appreciated.
>
>

I too have seen Xterms mysteriously die upon keyboard input. I first
noticed this under 0.98pl4, but thought it was a user error (like 
me hitting CTRL-D by mistake). I'm running on a 486-50, 16M, and 
Adaptec 1542 in case there is some hardware pattern here, since there
doesn't appear to be anything else in common: I can't even duplicate
the problem on demand to track it.

Mike McMahon
chad@src.umd.edu


 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: steeve@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve Angel Eyes McCauley)
Subject: ftp to linux machine ...
Organization: McGill University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:41:14 GMT

   I'm having problems ftp'ing to my linux machine.  I have a 486/33
running 0.98pl4.  I've made all the necessary changes to /usr/etc/inet
services, inetd.conf etc. etc but when I try to ftp to the machine
i get the following,

   $ ftp fiddle
   Connected to fiddle.geophys.mcgill.ca
   421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection

I guess my question is - Are there any security options that I'm
overlooking?  Like inetd.sec or something like that.

   Also, if I try to telnet to fiddle and login as root the machine
refuses, but I am able to login and then su, no problem.  Is there
any way to get around this?

   Thanks in advance.

--
Cheers et salut,
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