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From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
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Date: 16 Dec 92 16:09:10 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: PH monitoring
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:32:23 GMT

A local creek that I fly fish often has a special telephone number that will
give me an 'automated voice' message of the water level. I also go to the creek
and take water temperatures from time to time. I keep this data in my 
computer and over the years I've built up some useful data.

I'd like to start taking PH readings too. How can I do this in a way that is
convenient, simple, inexpensive and most of all accurate?

Thanks in advance for your advise.

Frank
 
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: borchew@tomato.storage.tandem.com (HOWARD BORCHEW)
Subject: Bay Area Fly Fishing in January
Reply-To: borchew@tomato.storage.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:53:32 GMT

My brother wants to fly fish this Christmas as his holiday present.
He will be visiting from Chicago next week.  I don't fish much in the
bay area and would like to know if there is any good fly fishing
in January.  Any replies via mail would be helpful

Thanks,
Howard
From: s31759m@taltta.hut.fi (Harri Ilmari Huuskonen)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Steelhead in PA
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:03:45 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: taltta.hut.fi

The reels do freeze. If one doesn't oil those properly. The rod guides
freeze also - but this is just a matter of tolerance. Clean the
guides every 5th or 6th cast and you'll be doing fine.

I haven't been doing awfully lot of winter-open-waters-fishing
but know alreadu that it _can_ be done. If one wants.

Surely, winter fishing gets somewhat more difficult while the
meter shows freezing numbers. But.... the other option is to
stay at home and read and reread and reread all old magazines of
fishing. That's boring. I prefer some difficulty if that is
needed to do the thing I love the most.

Besides, I am living in Finland. Check the location from your maps...

*  Harri Huuskonen   Email:  hhuuskon@otax.tky.hut.fi                  *
*  A member of POKA (Finnish Univ. of Technology Angling Association)  *
*     ...111 days of fishing during 1992 and still counting...         *
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: Holiday Greetings
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:23:03 GMT

pro016@marshall.wvnet.edu wrote:
:      Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
: 
:                   tight lines        Paul in WV
: 
: 
: 


	Ditto; The best of fishing, safe boating, and general outdoors
	enjoyment to all in 1993!!


--
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 Phone: 803-791-6432 | 3325 Platt Springs Road, West Columbia, SC 29170
   Fax: 803-739-7317 | Internet E-mail: Kevin.Dailey@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM 
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au (Dan Grimm)
Subject: Re: missing deco stop .. re-entering -- Dive Computer query
Organization: Electrical & Computer Systems Eng. Dept., Monash Uni.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:43:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.174921.26492@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mayne@phi.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) writes:
[Chomp lots]
>>So what if you are on a dive and have omitted a stop?  
What should you do with a dive computer?
If I remember my Suunto SME-ML manual, it will go into error mode (show 
ERROR) if you shoot to the surface without doing required decompression.

My basic thought is that (and here I admit that I have very little deco. 
diving experience) grabbing a tank and jumping back in to a reasonable depth 
as soon as possible (from memory in 'Deeper into diving' most of the tables 
that allowed for in water deco in emergencies gave you up to 5 minutes to 
get back to deeper than your planned stop) would be the way to go.
Naturally this assumes that your emergency got you out near your boat :-)

I assume that popping out and back in should have very little physical 
effect difference compared to going up to 10 feet say and grabbing another 
tank for you proper deco.

The way I use the sme-ml is that I check it quite a bit, and know 
whether I am in deco time or not. It does show a ceiling for deco, and the 
aim on emergency recompression would be to get down to below the last 
ceiling seen.
In ERROR mode the sme-ml acts as a timer and depth guage only. ( I think 
that is what the manual says, although I have seen it come out of error mode 
back into normal dive computer mode).
Has anyone tried doing nasties to their dive computer: I'm thinking along 
the lines of take it for a good dive and then have someone haul it to the 
surface 'fast' so that it believes you have just missed required deco, and 
then have someone observe it as it is brought underwater again. I am very 
sure that this sort of procedure in some sort of chamber must be done by the 
manufacturers, but the few manuals that I have seen basically say don't 
miss any required deco. Which does not tell you what to do in an emergency.


>Clearly avoiding the problem is the goal. No one is arguing with that.
Agreement in full.
Dan Grimm
Dept. Elec & Comp. Sys. Engineering, Monash Uni. Australia.
ph.(+61 3) 565 3479, Fax 565 3454,     dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au
From: jd21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Demmers)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: diving in portugal/spain
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:58:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I'm going to Spain and Portugal (and Morrocco) in March '93.  Anyone
know if there is any good diving to be had in the vicinity and if so,
what visibility, water temp, and other particulars are?

thanks - jim
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:52:18 -0500 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Shark Attacks

dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell) writes:
>1. With the exception of extraordinary events, like the sinking of the 
>Indianapolis in WWII, do shark attacks most commonly occur by a single
>shark or a group of sharks?

I have heard the following apocryphal theory from a number of different
sources:

1.  Shark attack was the greatest cause of death of seaman in WWII. 
More died that way than by explosions, exposure, drowning and so forth. 
True?

2.  Prior to WWII, shark attacks on swimmers was unheard of. Sharks were
turned into "man-eaters" because of the easy pickings due to the carnage
of war.  True?

Peter Simon
NAUI I #1434 

  
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gregr@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Subject: Stress and diving - so called "Instructor Entertainment"
Reply-To: gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:19:42 GMT

I think that instructional sessions which have been discussed in this
group under the subject "Instructor Entertainment" have their place.

The Cave Diving Association of Australia (CDAA) courses have elements
of diver "harassment" in them.  Buddy pairs, while under training
and during examination, have to accomplish set tasks with guidelines
and during these sessions the instructor or examiner will ensure that
things go wrong.

For example, while a buddy pair is following a fixed line or reeling
back in a line they've laid, there will be a series of "failures" 
that result in the pair having only one functional second stage between
them as they return with flooded, blacked out masks.

The rules of this game are simple.  If a reg is taken out of your
mouth, then it has failed and can't be replaced.  If your mask is blacked out, 
simulating a total silt-out, the blackout cover can't be removed.  If your mask 
is flooded, then it is not to be cleared.  If you are successfully avoiding 
entanglement, then you will at some stage be entangled.

I've described this as a game, but that is probably unfair.  The CDAA
courses are designed this way to simulate stress levels that can occur
should things go wrong during a cave dive.  I can vouch for the stress
levels they achieve, and I can also vouch for the confidence one gains
having worked through these exercises.

The newsletter from the NACD earlier this year (June?) had an article by
Bill Stone, analysing the death of a cave diver - a friend of mine - in
Florida at Easter this year.  Stone commented in this article that he
felt that the NACD should reintroduce elements of diver stress into their
training, as all the technical backup in the world will be no use at all
to a panicked diver.

I presume from this article that these 'stress' exercises have been removed
from NACD training.  Anyone from the NACD (or NSS CDG) care to comment?

				Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: "Instructor Entertainment"
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:53:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.1992Dec11.205348.14661
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu

In article <4090@phred.UUCP> harryb@phred.UUCP writes:
>
>Hmmmm.  I disagree.  He is not out of bounds, and it IS his right to
>determine it.
>
>     HE  <--> INSTRUCTOR
>     YOU <--> STUDENT

So you know what is best for everybody ?  Does it extend beyond diving
or you're just god of diving ?

The equation is

      HE <--> ASSHOLE
      ME <--> RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN LIFE

You don't know who I am or what I know or what I do yet you now think
you can rip my mask off whenever you feel like it because you have some
tin badge.

You can approach this from a legal standpoint or a moral one but in either
case you're dead wrong if you think the determination of what somebody can
or can't do is left to some dipshit who's racked up some minimal number
of hours and passed a few tests.

Talk to a lawyer or talk to a priest but get your head out of the clouds
that $100 or even $400 you get for teaching somebody to the basics of
diving doesn't give you carte blanche.

Refuse to teach anybody anything you like for whatever reason you choose
but you touch my mask without my permission (even for your entertainment)
and I'll see you waste considerable time defending an assault charge.

"Gee Judge, I poked him in the eye for his own good"

tom
>
From: gd@gehenna.sw.stratus.com (Greg Dawe)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO on Key West
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:55:03 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: gehenna.sw.stratus.com

In article <74p002Ih2fpB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky) writes:
>I'm also looking for recommendations for experienced divers diving in
>Key West. I would like to find an operator who won't baby me and will
>take me to interesting spots (wrecks and reefs both).	
>
>Any recommendations???

Try "KEY WEST DIVER", run by Billy Deans.
-- 
Greg Dawe                        | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer,
Voice : (508)-490-6666           |             nor they for me...
e-mail: Greg_Dawe@vos.stratus.com|            
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adb@geek.ca.geac.com (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: missing deco stop ... re-entering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:49:35 GMT
Organization: Geac Computer Corporation

Bill Mayne <mayne@cs.fsu.edu> writes:
> ...
>I think this is a critical point to understanding PADI's recommendation
>not to go back down to recompress. They are explicitly addressing the
>situation of treating symptoms of DCS, which is a different problem.
>
>(1) Since they don't teach decompression diving at all (PADI "emergency
>decompression" doesn't count here) they don't really address the
>issue of missed decompression.

From what I understand, the current PADI decompression table has
"required" safety stops.  I could argue that calling that a "no
decompression" table is a bunch of sophistry, if you are _required_ to
make stops after some dives.  However, if I did take it into my mind to
use these tables, I'd want to know what missed decompression procedure
went with these stops.
-- 
Anthony DeBoer       <adb@geac.com | uunet!geac!adb>
 At but not speaking for Geac Canada Ltd. (Toronto)
 NAUI #D5482, Z8800 but not speaking for them, either.
From: ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: LOOKING FOR INFO on the Corronado Islands
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:30:46 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

Can anyone out there direct me to some information about the diving off	
the Corronado Islands off the coast of So California?? I have an opportunity
to go and wanna know if it is significantly different from the Channels or	
other local California spots.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dejohnso%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Diving around Palm Beach/Jupiter
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:09:20 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

I will be in Jupiter, Fl for New Years.  I looked in the archives,
and found a few references to diving around there, but they were
more hints than descriptions.  If anyone had any recommendations
I'd be grateful.

Also, would it be better use of our time to drive down to Key Largo?
How about other interesting places to dive?  Most of my diving
has been off of the West Coast.  What kind of suit would be best?
I have a warm 1/4" farmer john - could I make do with just the 
overalls (I'd like to cut down on travel bulk.)

Just for kicks - anyone know about diving in Sri Lanka?

Thanks,
David
dejohnso@cs.utah.edu

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Subject: Re: missing deco stop ... re-entering
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:02:52 GMT

In article <14838@cis.rand.org> Karl_Schutz@rand.ORG (Karl Schutz) writes:
>
>[...] I called PADI headquarters on this 
>and was informed that PADI "recommends" a "required" safety stop [...]

Does anyone else find this funny?

>[...].  If a diver chose by bypass the "required" safety stop,
>that diver would not necessarily be more susceptible to DCS.  

Come on!  Kick that brain into gear here.  It takes a VERY weird
profile to make a safety stop not increase your safety.

>Interesting words ... recommend a required safety stop.  To me, to recommend a
>required stop does not imply that the stop is required; it's recommended.  

It's too bad one has to interpret the meaning: it should be clear, IMO.

>  However, I'm sure that there are divers 
>out there of the opinion that "if I don't have to do it, why waste my time."  

Agreed, but that number *is* shrinking....

>if an agency says that they shall, maybe they will ... hopefully
>leading to fewer diving accidents.

And if the agency were to state it unequivically I'd bet that the
result would be even more dramatic.  IMBO, PADI is pussyfooting around
simply because they can't resolve the conflict between "PADI doesn't
do decompression diving" and the scientific evidence that says "We
should require a safety stop."

Cheers,

David Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com             Better diving through tolerance.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Diving at/near Playa Del Carmen
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:28:01 GMT

     I was wondering if anyone out there has dived at or near
Playa Del Carmen, about 60 miles north of Cancun. Any info or
opinions would be grately appreciated.

     Marcus
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Coco View, RoatanCoco View at Thanksgiving
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:44:44 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I've done my own controlled studies. Skin-so_soft works (on me, where I've
been).
I also take DEET for the first time it doesn't.
                             ____
Randomly, Kelly Cunningham  (_/\_)
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<f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> VMS Mail (tolerated)
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In article <dunbar.724449355@beagle>, dunbar@boulder.Colorado.EDU (S Dunbar) writes:
> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
> 
>>In article <liqb03INNhiq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>>One other comment on Roatan; Skin-so-Soft repels the no-see-ums as 
>>>well as or better than DEET, and might be better for your bod.
> 
>>For what it's worth, the Army (?) did a controlled study of bug repellents
>>(I suspect they have a serious interest in that topic).  Skin-so-soft worked
>>no better than a placebo.  As I recall the test results (from Undercurrent),
>>the effectiveness is highly correlated to the amount of DEET in the juice.
> 
> 
> i guess its funny, my brother in law just closed Subic Bay Naval Base
> in the Phillipines and he said that the bugs were bad there and
> the marines, he is a security person in the marines for the navy,
> passed out skin so soft..... who knows!!!
> i have never tried it, but if i go to where the sand fleas are bad
> i will bring it with me along with some deep woods off.
> 
> 
>  
> Scott\      /\/\  /|email: dunbar@boulder.colorado.edu
>   /***\  /\/*/**\/*|Department of Molecular, Cellular, and Developmental Biology
>  /  /\ \/**\/    \ |University of Colorado at Boulder, Boulder, CO  80309-0347
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: pstonge@TrentU.CA (cmdr keener)
Subject: Re: Marine Biology and related studies
Reply-To: pstonge@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:23:38 GMT

In article <zawada-151292122506@ottawa.eid.anl.gov>, zawada@athens.eid.anl.gov (Dave Zawada) writes:

[Bryan's request for info... answered below]

>When I was looking into marine science graduate programs back in 1987,
>I got information from the following schools:
>
>Florida Atlantic University
>Florida Institute of Technology
>Scripps Institution of Oceanography
>Texas A&M
>University of Delaware
>University of Florida
>University of Hawaii -- Monoa
>University of Miami -- Rosenstiel Institute
>University of New Hampshire
>University of Rhode Island
>
Anybody out know of any Canadian schools offering similar (marine or 
freshwater studies) programs?

	-- Pete

>Hope this helps,
>
>Dave

THANKS!!!!!!!!  8-)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: ab@lems.brown.edu (Alexandru Barba)
Subject: US NAVY Divefarer Program
Keywords: NAVY Divefarer
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:37:44 GMT

return e-mail address correction!



This is a borderline rec.scuba topic:

I am looking at the Divefarer Program, and in general NAVY Special
Warfare as a possible career path. Is there anyone with
first hand knowledge of this program, and or SEAL teams in general?
Alex











Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: spindler@monarch.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler)
Subject: Re: Marine Biology and related studies
Organization: University of Miami/RSMAS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:58:17 GMT


|> When I was looking into marine science graduate programs back in 1987,
|> I got information from the following schools:
|> 
|> Florida Atlantic University
|> Florida Institute of Technology
|> Scripps Institute of Oceanography (UCSD)
|> Texas A&M
|> University of Delaware
|> University of Florida
|> University of Hawaii -- Monoa
|> University of Miami -- Rosenstiel Institute
|> University of New Hampshire
|> University of Rhode Island
|> 

A few other schools worth considering are:

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute/MIT
University of Washington (Seattle)
Oregon State University
University of California, Santa Barbara

-----

Todd Spindler
TSpindler@rsmas.miami.edu     Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gregr@cs.su.oz.au  (Greg Ryan, g10b, xtn 4809)
Subject: Diver Insurance (Was: Re: missing deco stop ... re-entering)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:30:16 GMT

In article <tjjbbgc@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story) writes:
> Why aren't these risk takers insuring themselves appropriately? ...
> ... Diving accident insurance can greatly extend your range

Perhaps it's because such insurance is not readily available outside of the US.
I guess you're referring to DAN insurance.  The Australian Diver Emergency Service
(DES) is negotiating with DAN to form a more international structure, but at the
moment the two are separate, and DES is still trying to find a local insurer to
provide an equivalent service in this country.

What about our UK/European readers?  Is diver insurance available to you?

					Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au