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From: Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com>
Subject: Re: "Realm of Fear" precedents *SPOILERS*
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In article <whelan.718058283@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu> John T. whelan,
whelan@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu writes:
>	-- Finally, did that bit about people being caught in the
>transporter stream strike anyone else as a precedent for the cheesy
>events that are likely to set up "Relics".

Yes. Now they have established that people can remain suspended in
transporter beams for very long periods of time under the right
conditions.

I still think that Data should have cross-circuit-ed to 'B', though.

--Mel Walker

--Mel Walker
mwalker@novell.com                                                       
    Disclaimer: My dog ate it.
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
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Date: 11 Oct 92 16:29:01 EST
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Hi, 
Is that enough warning?
Anyway, I just wanted to mention that the actor who plays O'Brian is in
a hit movie now....I don't want to 'spoil' it for anyone, so I won't say
which...but it is interesting to watch!  
I kept expecting him to say something about transporting...which he could
have, but didn't.  So now he's in the silver screen!
-Pamela Cho-
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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
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Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:10:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct15.001058.5453
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Oct14.161423.9788@hellgate.utah.edu> jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:

>Does anyone else but me think that the post-Roddenberry era is doing
>nothing but turning Star Trek into just a money-making scheme for
>Paramount with no regard to the artistic element?

Ha.  Even in the Pre-Roddenberry era TNG has been a money making scheme for
the boys at Paramount.  The real problem with TNG has always been the use
of expensive sets, special effects and actors at the expense of story
telling.

TOS with all its "stolen from lost in space" sets and cardboard props never
had such a run of really poor stories as TNG has suffered through in
seasons IV,V and now VI.

I really wouldn't mind weaker special effects if it meant better stories.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: STTNG Season Six Broadcast Schedule
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:33:08 GMT

In article <8525@orbit.cts.com> chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson) writes:
>
>                        STAR TREK:  THE NEXT GENERATION
>                         Season Six Broadcast Schedule
>                                 October 1992
>
>134.  11/07/92  234               A Fistful of Datas

I've always wanted to see Spiner portray Data in this classi spaghetti
western.


>135.  11/14/92  235               The Quality of Life


The fact that this title phonetically resembles "The Cost of Living" is
frightening.


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From: johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello)
Subject: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:58:21 GMT

	Question 1:
	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
that he was dead, as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?

	Question 2:
	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
story as to why they killed her off?

	Thanks in advance, for whomever responds....

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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
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Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:55:28 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.203049.6551@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>All I can say is that Data is the only one (except for maybe the M5) that
>has been able to run the ship singlehandly. A couple times he had to take
>over to a large or complete extent due to things humans were being afflicted
>or affected by.
>
What is M5.
Siva
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From: johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.190133.4557@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.214128.857@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>
>How many here get the feeling that this
>>episode where Scotty returns is not going to be to good?
>
>Count one.
>
>>That means that 3 out of the 1st 4 episodes
>>are not very good 
>
>Personally, I'd call it 0 for 4.

	What? Do we have Atsuhi saying he thinks *all* 4 episodes
are very good? He just said he thinks 0 out of the 4 episodes are
not very good! That must mean he thinks 4 out of 4 are very good!

	Huh? Atsushi *liking* an episode of Trek? Can't be! This from
a guy who spends hours every week to painstakingly rip apart every
TNG episode that airs? Amazing!

	BTW, word is from Cons and from Paramount that people inside the
show are *very* big on Relics....many think it may be the best TNG episode
so far. We'll have to wait and see...

>
>
>>AND we haven't even gotten to
>>the inevitable child oriented shows.
D
>Unless you count Barclay.
don't wor....ry...word from Cinemafantastique that they didn't like the child 
2-parters
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From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.172401.9035@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>Does anyone know what Picard says at the end of the episode (I think "The
>Enemy") where Geordie and a Romulan are stranded on a planet and learn to
>help each other barely making it back to the Enterprise at the end when the
>big E and a Romulan warbird are about to blast each other.  It is something
>like "______manship is a dangerous game."  We have rewatched it several times
>and cannot figure it out.  Thanks
>
>Ted			Sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

Well, to me it sounded like "brigmanship" or "bringmanship", but I don't
have any idea about the meaning of that word. (well, I got an idea,
judging by the context, but that's all.)

(Please don't flame me for my lack of vocabulary, I'm still learning this
language)

-- 
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: "realm of fear": sniffin' distance
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:44:34 GMT



It is a well known fact that Bev and Picard are good friends.  They eat 
breakfast together.  So what if Picard and Crusher are standing so close,
it happens to a lot of people every day.  However, one does wonder if they are
going to have some sort of relationship in the future

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From: tilden@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffery A Bohning)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Brent Spiner on Saturday Night Live
Date: 15 Oct 1992 05:26:29 -0500
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In article <14237.2adc4ed9@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.164018.19093@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) writes:
>> I would love to see Brent on Saturday NIght Live. He is such a versatile actor 
>> and has a great sense of comedy. Does anyone know Lorne Michaels address so we 
>> can request him as guesthost?
>> 
>> J.P.
>Yeah, I'd love to see the Saturday Night Live guy that does the names playing
>a communications officer in a SNL parody. I could just see it.
>The Borgmeisters
>The Borganators
>The Borgamaniacs
>Borgy Borgy Pudding Pie 

Or even worse,

Data, The Datamiester, Data Transfer, data good looking chick. :)
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Imzadi" and "Man of The People"
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:59:02 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92285.190226WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu> WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu (Wendell Bates) writes:

>The term "Imzadi" has been used for quite some time now between Troi and Riker.
>I think it even dates back to the first season.  Can anyone out there name the
>first episode where the term "Imzadi" was used??  (I'll shoot myself with my
>phaser if it turns out to be "Encounter at Farpoint.")

Hehe.  Better set it on "vaporize".

;-)

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From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:10:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bvs78G.E5D@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>
>But I can argue that I can't get NBC via rabbit ears without the help of 
>the local broadcast station.  Yet they don't charge me, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, 
>they still make a profit without charging me.
>
>Why can't cable do the same??????
>

>
>I subscribe, too.  I'm simply asking why commercial TV on cable can't 
>be funded (via advertisers alone) the same way that commercial TV by 
>broadcast is.
>

>But your analogy would also apply to a TV without a broadcast station 
>available.  I'm sorry, but every argument you've made about why 
>cable should charge for their service can also be applied to 
>a broadcast station.  And yet the broadcasters don't charge the 
>customers and the cablers do.  I'm simply asking whether the basic 
>cable fee is a true necessity, or could the revenue needed to support 
>it be obtained from alternate sources as is done with broadcasting.
>



Well now this is an interesting question.  It just happens that 
some years ago, when Philadelphia requested bids from all the cable
companies to wire up the city, one cable company entered a predicted
fee schedual that included FREE basic service.  Another cable
company entered a bid that included a $5 per month basic service.
This at a time when all the others were claiming basic fees of 
around $15 average.

Obviously these bids were just to get the attention of the city 
council....  or could they have been realistic bids?  Could it be  
the reason cable costs so much is that the cable companies have to
recoup their enormous expenses in erecting cables?  Of course,
on the other hand, the broadcast stations spend quite a lot on
transmitters and satelite equipment.

By the way, in spite of what some people have written in response
to my earlier posts on this subject, I am not anti-cable.


Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu
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From: djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 04:37:17 EDT

Rick Thibeault, UMPI <RICK@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> >You know, I was positive that this one was tossed in here and would actually
> >have a message that read something like "So is Peter David really reading
> >this one?"
> 
> >There actually has been nudity to some degree on Trek.  There was Picard
> >painting a nude model; then there was Q's au natural appearance on the
> >bridge.  And in "Cost of Living," there was a nude dancer.
> 
> You missed at least one,  Mrs. Troi's wedding march also in "Cost of
> Living"
> 
> 
I don't call that nudity.  Nudity is where you can see breasts, butts, and
the pubic areas.  "Man Of The People" had obstructed nudity, but I COULD
_clearly_ see one of Sirtis' nipples in the one outfit.


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From: "paul tucker" <paul.tucker@canrem.com>
Subject: a brief history of re
Reply-To: "paul tucker" <paul.tucker@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:59:39 EST

Subject: A Brief History of Reviews (was Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Realm...)

In Message<1992Oct07.1atbjuINNiac@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu
(Timothy W. Lynch)

-> I'm nobody in particular; just someone who in a weak moment decided to start
-> writing reviews and has kept at it for the four years since.  Any added
-> "attention" you see paid to my reviews over others is entirely the choice of
-> those giving it that attention and not due to any special "position" I'm in.

  No, just the choice of a whole new generation.

  ... or maybe that's net.generation.

Paul Tucker
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From: pkbockus@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Keith Bockus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:38:08 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:

>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>:)Because of the low quality of the recent episodes...
    [stuff deleted]]

>Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
>take this newsgroup BACK! 

What?!  And move out of their parents' basements!?!

Get real.  Losing Atsushi is going to make this a much
duller newsgroup.

Keith
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From: sxr@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.l.russell)
Subject: Re: Chest Examination
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:41:56 GMT

From article <67614@cup.portal.com>, by DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta):
>>In article <1992Oct07.192513.26089@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonza
> l
>>ez) writes:
>>)*Spoilers*
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
>>)
>>
>>)- I still
>>)don't know exactly what was meant by her examining her chest area while
>>)she was exercising in her quarters.
>>
>>        As she started to age, she entered "the phase". The chest
>>examination was the first outward sign of her sex drive quadrupling.
>>
>>--
>>   David Goldfarb          | "Think of the ragged poverty of a language that
>>goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | has to make one word do the work of six, and a
>>goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     | poor weak thing of three letters at that."
>>                           |  -- Mark Twain, "The Awful German Language"
>>
> 
> I'm gonna go way out on this one, forgive me.  I was watching the refelection
> of Troi in the mirror behind her which was reflecting the mirror in front of
> her and while she had her hand on her chest her other hand was in her pubic
> area... she was obviously getting VERY hot.  It certainly wasn't a Madonna
> video but I think the intent was clear and I was surprised to see it on this
> "family" show as some of you like to call it.
> 
> Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
> DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine
==========
I agree with you Don, She seemed somewhat surprised by her appearance and
definitely turned on by it. Now if we could just get Crusher out of that 
lab coat...

Scott Russell
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:51:23 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
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Organization: University of Arizona

Comments on the first three episodes of season 6 to follow.
Proceed at your own risk.



















In article <1b4gffINNnp9@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, chittend@ecst (Robert R. Chittenden) writes:
>
>    Of the first three episodes of this new season, I've been reading
>alot of negative comments.  Perhaps the talky episodes of the fifth
>season were disappointment,


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "talky episodes".  If you mean
episodes like "The Outcast", where they substitute long moralizing
speeches for plot development, yeah, those are pretty lame.

>"Time's Arrow, part II" and "Realm of Fear" have two of 
>the most original shows in the series and I thought that they were 
>very well done.

TA2 original?!  Come on -- there wasn't even really a plot to it.
The only thing that happened was that they undid everything that
occurred in TA1, with 3 lines of dialogue for Dr. Crusher to explain
away the alien menace.  I'll agree that TA1 was a very original set-up.
But TA2 completely dropped the ball.

I did like "Relm of Fear".

As for "Man of the People"... bleah.  This episode is like a lexicon
of bad Star Trek cliches:

	1. Week-before preview + pre-opening sequence scenes
	   telegraphs entire plot.
	2. Something is Very Wrong, but half-way into the show,
	   no-one has noticed.
	3. Overacting deluxe: "You stay away from him, or You'll
	   Be Sorry!".
	4. A classic Troi line: "I sense malevolence from her".
	5. Hand-waving Treknology as the deus ex machina plot resolution.
	6. Massive trauma is morphed away before our eyes.
	7. Worf does a poor job as head of security.

That's just off the top of my head.  The only one they really missed is
the tacked on menace (Something's Eating the Enterprise, as PAD says).
I can't imagine what TPTB were thinking about when they decided to to this
episode -- "let's crib every bad idea from the last 5 seasons for a new
episode", maybe?

I have to agree with others who have posted: season 6 is 1 for 2 on decent
episodes.

>    I've already seen negative comments about the upcoming episode 
>"Relics" feauturing James Doohan.  The old saying "don't judge a 
>book by its cover" applies here.

Well, this isn't so much judging a book by its cover as it is judging
a chapter by the pages leading up to it.  I'm certainly going to watch
the episode, and I assure you I hope it's a good one.  But I also know
that there's an uncomfortably high chance that this could be embarassingly
bad.

>They must be doing something right or you would not keep watching.

True.  Season 5 had some outstanding shows:  "Darmok", "Cause and Effect",
"I, Borg", and "The Inner Light" were all first-class Trek IMHO.  I just
wish I could count on more than 4 or 5 keepers out of 26.

-- 
The security of the Enterprise is of Paramount importance.
                        -Jean Luc Picard, stardate 45965.3
From: 02maferguson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE:"Is that Tasha in "Schisms?"
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:57:03 GMT

In reference to Item 8549
wombat@eng.umd.edu(Jose Gonzalez)writes...
>I seriously doubt it. For one thing, that patient is *male*.
I don't think so, If you think about it Bev is not weight lifter.
If that patient was a man wouldn't she have a hard time holding him up?
When the patient fell in Bev's arm I didn't see her having much trouble
holding the patient up.  Which it would likely seem that the patient was
indeed a female because the majority of them is lot a smaller in size 
compared to men.  

-Mark-