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From: ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: where a Jedi gets his lightsaber?
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:59:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.193742.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes...
>In Return of the Jedi when Luke surrenders to Vader on Endor, 
>Vader exaines Luke's new lightsaber and comments,"I see 
>you've constructed a new lightsaber like your father's... your 
>trainingis complete..."  or something like that.
> 
>I sort of get the impression from this that after a Jedi 
>completes his training he builds himself his own lightsaber.  
>I was just wondering if there's any such custom refered to in
>the role-playing game?

Well, I happen to have my SW:sourcebook right here...

[page 101]
	"Each student of the Jedi Code built a lightsaber as one of the 
final steps in completing his training.  Most instructors required a very
great skill in the Force before they would demonstrate to a student how to
build a saber.  Other instructors helped their students build sabers during
training, then used them to help develop skill in the Force.  Always, the 
Jedi Masters demonstrated this crucial skill to only one student at time [sic].
Actual construction usually took a month of dedicated work.  Many Jedi spent
years rebuilding an old saber or constructing a new one, but during the 
Clone Wars, Jedi Masters were known to construct lightsabers in two days."

-thomas
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:01:34 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Jul27.012839.5227@leland.Stanford.EDU>
mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:

>I have a question.  In ROTJ, why does Han immediately have any desire to
>help out Lando when he's about to fall into the Sarlacc?  As I recall, the
>last thing Solo would remember about Lando is that he sold them out to the
>Empire (Unless I've forgotten something in between...).  If that's the case
>I would think Solo would just blast him.  Any comments?
>
>Another thing, completely unrelated:  There's been a lot of talk about the
>Emperor's line about DS2 being "fully operational".  If I remember right, he
>said, "...armed and operational battle station!"  (note lack of the word
>"fully.")  This is probably nit-picking, but it appears as though there's 
>at least room for the notion that not *every* system on DS2 was *fully*
>operational.  Just an observation.  (Not that I want to get into the ST vs SW
>thing.)
>
>
>-- 
>|  Who would fardels bear to grunt and sweat under a weary life, but that |
>|  the dread of what comes after death...the undiscovered country, from   |
>|  whom no traveler returns  puzzles the will, and makes us rather bear   |
>|  those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of.     -W.S.   |


To answer the first question: Good point, but I am sure that Chewie had
filled him in on most of what had taken place in the times between what Han
would remember and when he was unthawed....

Second: I am unsure of the *EXACT* wording, the the Emperor says to luke:

 "...this fully armed and operational battlestation.."

                  -OR-

"...the armed and fully operational battlestation..."



I think that it was the first one. I would guess that the Emperor had all
the weapons armed and working for his litle plan to come together, and to
throw a little shock and anger, maybe a dash of hatred into Luke... I
seriously doubt that the Deathstar would be travel capable, condsidering
its many uncomplete sections and lack of any real, independant defense
screens...

Dave
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Anakin/Vader death
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.231345.21010@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:

>Well, I seem to have caused a little stife with my comment on Anakin/Vader's
>lack of disappearing upon death, yet "glowing" appearance at the end of Jedi.
>I was not commenting on the fact that the body armor remained, but rather
>that his head remained.  I don't believe his head was "more machine than man"
>	Now, anyone want to explain what happened?


	I tried. Sorry if you didn't buy the "brain-death but his Energizers
kept his heart pumping" kludge.



-- 
MUDname: Sidera           "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would
University of Delaware      hate to be giving the wrong impression."
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Subject: Re:  Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:35:12 GMT

In article <9207271653.AA17454@TIS.COM> sas@TIS.COM writes:
>What about the characters in the bar where Luke and Ben meet Han.  ie
>Greedo et. al?  And the bad there too-- the guys who look like the

	Ah, but Greedo DID have a figure made after him :)

>Also what about things other than action figures, like Boba Fetts ship?

	This was also released.  It included a nifty HanSolo in Carbonite
piece that you could slide into the "hold" of the ship!  

Anyways...
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:30:39 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Cool/Stupid

In article <1992Jul20.224141.18727@uceng.UC.EDU>, jpapp@uceng.UC.EDU (John L
Papp) says:
>Stupid:
>I don't know whether this is stupid or just a lack of scientific background
>but I'll put it here anyways.  In the final scen of TESB when Luke and
>Leia are looking out at the galaxy, there is a star field in the background.
>Scientifically, there shouldn't be that many stars around.  One could argue
>that they are not quite out of the galaxy so there are still some stars
>but the scene of the galaxy (which is very good) shows the entire thing.
>Maybe it would have looked out of place not to put a star field in the back-
>ground since every scene in space as a star field.

I have always thought that they were orbiting a newly born star.  It
would be appropriate, as it could symbolize a new beginning after the
Empire wiped their butts all over the place.

---
Ernie 'SHOKK' Oporto - EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
Computer Lab Attendant for the Penn State Center for Academic Computing
"I'd just as soon kiss a Wookie."  "I can arrange that!"
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Soundtracks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 21 JUL 92 17:37:05    

In article <92203.135902EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>, EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (BIG ED) writes...
>     Perfect example. When I was 8 or 9, I bought the "Empire" soundtrack on
>LP (a two record set, I must add) and was constantly playing it to death. Then
>when I finally got my CD player over two years ago, I went out to replace my LP
> with a crystal clear CD. Well I did replace it but a lot of the music was
>deleted from the CD. I mean c'mon. I can see maybe a track or two, but they
>deleted 7 tracks from the CD.      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't.  It's senseless to delete anything at all.

>     I guess I got so fed up with it last week, that I wrote a letter to Poly-
>Gram and told them a thing or two. I did it rather tactful, so I'm hoping for
>a response soon. Anybody have a good reason why this masacre occured?

A completely unsubstantiated guess: perhaps they felt that since including 
all 17 tracks would necessitate putting it on 2 CDs, the higher price would 
keep many people from buying it... perhaps they even have numbers to 
substantiate that, since the 2-CD approach is the one they took with the 
Star Wars soundtrack.

(Actually that soundtrack is around 77 minutes long, and I have seen 
80-minute CDs... perhaps there's some loss in sound quality by putting that 
much on one disc, which i why they used 2 for SW... or maybe they were just 
after more money.....)

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
From: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. a pet Chihuahua
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:27:59 GMT
Reply-To: slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones)
Organization: Southern Bell - MSG  Atlanta, Ga

Did you find out that a chihuahua could beat SW 'Paws down' through hard won
experience?
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From: elee9tv@jane.uh.edu (BOING)
Subject: the Zahn Trilogy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:17:00 GMT

	If the Zahn trilogy is legit Lucus film stuff but not the actual
 epsisode 7,8,9 ...will the film actually refer to the story and characters
   created by Zahn?


	also, I got the impression that the cloan wars had to do with the
  production of all of the storm troopers(which were themselves cloans).

					dan 
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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:36:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.121150.6330@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>However, considering that Vader immediately know Luke was in the
>shuttle in ROTJ, why didn't he sense him in the X-wing?  Actually,
>answering my own question, now that I think about it ... With all
>those people dying in battle, it's got to put out a lot of psychic
>interference.

Also, figure that at the point where Luke escaped from Hoth in the X-wing,
he still hadn't had any jedi training, save the few things that Ben taught
him.  I always just figured that by the time ROTJ came around, Luke had
grown proficient enough that his strength in the force could be detected
without any staggering effort....


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From: elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Font
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:48:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <iacovou.711749554@gurney>, iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Danny Iacovou) writes...
> 
>  Does anyone know what font they used to write "Star Wars" with. I mean
>  the font that ties the letters together (know what I mean?).
> 
>  Thanks in advance.
>--
	Its called the "Star Wars" font

					Dan
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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.003111.13470@cco.caltech.edu> travis@cco.caltech.edu (Leopold E. Travis) writes:
>
>Even if we accept that the Empire cannot fight at FTL speeds, the
>Federation still has to deal with the Death Star.  As I've pointed
>out, the energy output required to destroy an earth-type planet is
>on the order of 10^17 megatons--nearly two weeks' output from the sun.
>Given this kind of power, it seems difficult to believe that Federation
>weaponry could penetrate the Death Star's shields.  (And it was my
>understanding that only small craft such as fighters could slip
>through the shields like the rebels did).
>

The SSD passed right through the shields and caused extensive, if local,
damage to the Death Star.  If the Death Star has holes in its shielding
large enough to pass the Millenium Falcon, it has holes large enough to
pass photon torpedoes, anti-matter bombs delivered via transporter, or
any other destructive device that the Feds chose to use.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:55:27 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid

In article <1992Jul29.220757.3528@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:
>
>Help my poor brain!
>
>Where did the white version of 3PO appear in the movies?
>
>I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....

Do you mean these:
The extra 3PO on the blockade runner at the beginning on ANH?
The rude 3PO when the heros just walk into Cloud City before C3PO does an
'exit, stage all-over-the-place?'
Cant remember any others....

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:47:10 GMT

Thought of one more:

The Rebel in the tower on Yavin -- great uniform, too. 
(Looke dlike the Death Squad Commander :^))

Scott
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Subject: Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru
From: z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:22:59 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


I was just reading ANH again and began to thing back to the movie.  Does Aunt
Beru actually know where Luke came from?  I mean in the movie she says some-
thing to Uncle Owen to the extent of, "Luke can't stay here forever you know.
Most of his have gone."  Then Owen says, "I'll make it up to him next year.  I 
promise."  Then she replies with a half-smile.  "He's just not a farmer, Owen. 
He has too much of his father in him." Then Owen replies quietly, "I know, 
that's just what I'm afraid of." 

Correct me if I'm off the mark, but Owen seems to be real concerned for Luke 
by making up all these excuses to keep him on Tatooine and away from his ultima
te destiny, while Beru sides with Luke thinking it's just a dream he wnats to
fulfill, to be a pilot like his father.  Can anyone clarify this for me (even 
if it is a FAQ).

--Blitz                                  "I'm out of it for a while and
                                          everybody gets delusions of 
                                          grandeur."
                                                     --Han Solo
From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Doing Darth this Halloween
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:17:56 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1992Jul21.013219.2382@uwm.edu>, by markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins):
> 
>    I have the height and build of Darth Vader, and I'd like to dress up with
> the full works this Halloween.  Does anyone have any information on where and
> how to get the full gear (minus the embedded controller add-on's which I can
> soldier and program myself)??

Make sure you get something to play a breathing sound while you're talking!


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From: is430a13@umbc5.umbc.edu (is430a13)
Subject: Re: Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:40:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.162300.230@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>I was just reading ANH again and began to thing back to the movie.  Does Aunt
>Beru actually know where Luke came from?
>
>Correct me if I'm off the mark, but Owen seems to be real concerned for Luke 
>by making up all these excuses to keep him on Tatooine and away from his ultima
>te destiny, while Beru sides with Luke thinking it's just a dream he wnats to
>fulfill, to be a pilot like his father.  Can anyone clarify this for me (even 
>if it is a FAQ).
>
>--Blitz

I'm of the opinion that it wasn't settled in Lucas'es mind at this point
that Darth Vader was Lukes real father.. ie it wasn't really established
that Owen and Veru were HIDING Luke so much as simply PROTECTING him from
getting in over his head and getting hurt. Its implied that his father could
have been perhaps a rabble rouser, but not neccessarily the most evil guy in
the galaxy, as it turns out. This is probably why these scenes don't completely
jibe with everything that follows later.
From: s1082919@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (T Hankinson is YODA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 4-LOM
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:16:36 GMT
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia


   4-LOM is one of the bounty hunter hired by the empire to track down Luke
   during tESB.  If my memory hasn't faded, I believe he has standing with
   Boba Fett, IG 88, Zuckuss and the other bounty hunters.



                                                     Templar

   Boba Fett : Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh (as he slams into the sail barge)
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From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Subject: BOOKS: Brian Daley & Alan Dean Foster.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:50:13 GMT

I was tidying out my bookshelves for the first time in years
and I idcovered  that I had Splinter of the Minds Eye  and the 3
Han Solo books.
SofME was pretty dire. I've never really liiked ADF stuff but I thought
this was pretty lame and didn't really stand up. Though from what I
heard on the news group Zahn uses a similar sort of crystal in his books.
I thought however the Han Solo books by B. Daley were fabulous. 
Well thought out books with a really superb storyline.
I liked Gallandro and particularly lioked the ending of the 2nd book
'Han Solos Revenge' where he captures the Authorities head & captures
Gallandro. Oh well. I'll have to get the Zahn books next, though from what
I heard I am not waiting too anxiously.
I have read the first 3 Dark Empire comics and they are not great by any 
means. The story is OK. But that is all. Give me comic  strips like
'The Crimson Forever' anyday.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
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"I'd end this moment to be with you through morphic oceans." -Carl McCoy
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From: bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg)
Subject: Ben's Death
Reply-To: bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:48:34 GMT


This subject has always bothered me.  Why does Ben seem to give up while
fighting Vader?  When I saw ANH for the first time (I was about 7) I thought
that Ben was tranfering the Force from him to Luke.  Now I wonder if it was
because Yoda had told Ben that it was Luke's destiny to face Vader.

What is your opinions?
-Brian
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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:28:37 GMT
Subject: Re: The Doors
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars

	
	Originaly, the stormtroopers never requested (as heard by the
	audiance) for the blast doors to be closed....  they simply
	closed, and the stormtrooper commanded them to be opened.

	The "Close the blast-doors" was added after the film's initial
	release.

	-Mike-
From: dlyons@necis.UUCP (Dave Lyons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: "Return of the Jedi" comes from "Return of the King"
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:16:31 GMT
Organization: NEC Information Systems, Acton, MA

In article <1992Jul20.060043.22372@uwm.edu>, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) wrote:
> Obi-Wan Kenobi is Gandalf
> The Rebellion is Gondor
. . . (stuff implying SW was lifted from Lord of the Rings deleted)
> The leader's death in both cases leads to a sudden dissipation of the forces
>    of Evil.

I'm sure there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of stories, books,
movies, etc. that could be interpreted similarly.  The formula about
Good vs. Evil is extremely commonplace in all sorts of literature and
I think the similarities you are seeing come from both stories being
patterned after allegories that have been around since long before
Tolkein, Lucas, or any of their fans.
                                         -- Dave --
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: A Question About the DS and DSII
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:28:29 GMT

Ok, from the Death Star Companion(no, that's not it, but the reference
book on DS from West End Games), they talk about the DS being built in
sections, kinda like wedges of an orange, and that the individual
floors are all parallel, perpendicular to the "core" of the orange.

'course the artificial gravity is going to be wierd, especially if the
DS has the MASS of a small moon.

		-Dave
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