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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:11:38 EDT

In article <BuBoEK.4rI@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(Peggy Brown) writes:


   > Its not the fact that the names are unusual that gets me, its
   > the fact that they're so similar to other common names.  Devra -
   > Debra and Geordie - George.  Your sister's name, Jael, is *not*
   > similar to other names, so it probably wasn't too huge a problem
   > for her - aside from how to >pronounce it.  My opinion is to
   > give the child an unusual name if you want, but pick one that is
   > distinctive (not easily confused with a common name) and is
   > pronounced the way its spelled.  Don't give the child a name
   > that will be a burden.

Actually, my sister had to correct quite a number of people who thought her
name was Gail, or who asked what her initials (J L) stood for.

One of the things we were looking for in names was something that was
unusual (it drove me crazy to be one of four Keith's in gym class...
especially when one of the other three was always being yelled at for
something), but not totally weird...and I'll admit that that's part of the
reason why I like Devra...it *is* close to Debra, and recognizable, but she
probably won't be one of 9 million Debbies in school.

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From: SASRWW@mvs.sas.com (SASRWW)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car Seats and Trucks
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:09:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>
>I have a friend who owns one of the smaller trucks, and he and his
>wife drive around with their son in his car seat all the time.  The
>catch is that the kid and carseat are on the window seat and one of
>the adults has to sit in the middle.
>--
I missed the first post on this train of thought, but have been
wondering whether a babyseat will fit in the extended cab part of
a truck.  My husband is considering buying a Toyota or Mazda.
 
Thanks. Ronda
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From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Skin problems during/after pregnancy
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:13:51 GMT
Summary: me too! same problems!

In article <SKATZ.92Sep14160756@kariba.bbn.com>, skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz) writes:
> There has been some mention recently about skin changes during and
> after pregnancy.  I had several different minor skin changes, and I
> was wondering if anyone else experienced these.  During pregnancy I
> developed very small blisters (pinhead-size) on my hands and fingers.

Me too!  on my left hand, mostly ring finger, (rings now off).
This is itchy too.  It is weird, super tiny, pinhead-size blisters.
Just on the fingers too.

> The second problem I had was that I developed one plantars wart during
> each of my two pregnancies.  Those were the only one's I've ever gotten.

Deja vu!  Me too!  Just on my right big toe!  Weird, eh?

What a strange coincidence.....I've also, since pregnant, almost immediately
as a matter of fact, have had this small (dime size) patch of dermatitis
on my face, aside of my nose.  It's not bad, make-up covers it, but it
is annoying (red, scaly/dry).  Hmmm.....all 3 of these symptoms I had
not really related to pregnancy until you mentioned them.
A hormonal thing?

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93


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From: DIANEY@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Puppy Surprise
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:08:01 EDT

In article <1992Sep10.201254.10112@watson.ibm.com>
rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
 
>
>
>Finally, from those of you who have also bought this doll, how many puppies
>did you end up with, and what color was the dog?
We bought the white dog with pink bows and got SURPRISE  3 puppies.
However, my daughter was thrilled to get it and didn't care at all that
there could have been more puppies. I do agree that it was overpriced.
 
                                 Diane
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pain Relief in Labour: Ben's Reply (Long)
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:40:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <14SEP199213130436@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:

>If you've been following this thread for a while you may recall that Judy 
>Drake posted a very positive story about her epidural, followed by this 
>comment:
>
>>> I still don't understand why so many people choose pain over
>>> no pain when the health of the baby is not affected.
>
>This statement was what set me off, since it's both untrue and dangerous. 

Ben, I thought our email discussion had made it clear, it was your 
_misinterpretation_ of my statement that set you off.

I did NOT say that there aren't any risks to taking drugs during labor.
I did NOT say that epidurals NEVER affect the health of the baby.
 
>> I find it pretty scary to read posts like this. Everyone is fully
>> entitled to make their own informed choices about birth, but doing
>> so requires access to proper information.

I was NOT intending to provide scientific evidence to those considering
an epidural for labor, as you are.  (I noticed, BTW, that you failed to 
address Paula Burch's point that advances in anesthesia have eliminated 
the risks discussed in the five-year-old Kitzinger extract you have now 
shared twice with us.)

I would appreciate it if you would stop using my statement as a 
leaping-off point for your diatribes.

Judy Drake

P.S. You also say:

>There's also a fairly chilling section of quotations from women who felt 
>terrified, and out of control during the experience, and/or felt anger, 
>regret and feelings of failure afterwards, 

This is exactly how I felt after a long, extremely painful, _unmedicated_
labor that required the baby to be extracted by vacuum.  Childbirth itself
isn't without many risks--are you perhaps using the epidural issue as a 
scapegoat for less-than-"perfect" labor experiences?
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From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: creepy crawlers... where to purchase them
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:42:58 GMT

Yes, they're back.  I seem to be much more excited about them than my 5
year old son.  My brother and I had such fun with this way back when.

Anyway, call around to your favorite local toy stores.  If they don't
have them in now they should soon.  I've seen them here in San Diego at
Toys R Us and the Imaginarium.  Prices seem to be in the $25-$35
depending on the store.  This might be cheaper for you than from a
catalog where you'll have to pay shipping.  If that doesn't pan out,
let me know and I'll dig up the catalog that had it (Childcraft, I
think) and email you all the ordering details.

Hmmm, maybe I'll just put it on *my* Christmas wish list!

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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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From: goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: cute things they say (3 yr old)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:07:00 GMT

Kids will do anything to delay bedtime, won't they? Last night
it was lights out time, and my son looks up at me from bed and
says, 'mommy, you can't turn out the lights because I'll be
scared in the dark'. Note, this was a delaying tactic, because
he gave me that little smile of his after saying it. 8-)

                                      Patti Twigg
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From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:13:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.133901.2035@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
>
>On my last Continental flight, I was told that I could
>not put my under 2 daughter into a car seat - she was a "lap child", and I 
>*had* to hold her.  (This was the first week of September.)
>

Well, they lied to you.  I'd have raised a stink about that.  The last fime
we flew Continental (almost 2 years ago) we made two checks WRT the car
seat.  First, we talked to the ticketing agent (got the person's name)
and then we talked with the senior flight attendant prior to boarding.
We had no problem.  If the car seat is airline approved and you've purchased
a seat for the child, you certainly have the right to put the child where
it is most safe--in the car seat.

We've never had a problem with car seats in airplanes.  We always check first
and we have a note from our insurance carrier which states that an airline
doesn't have the right to refuse your airline-approved car seat if you've
purchased a ticket for it.

They do make us put the seat in the window seat--something about not being
able to step over it in case of emergency.

We've flown quite a few times--Continental, Delta, now-defunct Eastern--
all with the car seat and a purchased ticket for the child (regardless of
his age).  On only two occasions have I not purchased a ticket for Brian--
once was for a short trip to visit my parents when he was 4 months old,
the other was when our prospective employer purchased the tickets for our
interview.  If it's a long flight, I don't care how young the child is, I'm
buying a ticket for him.  My sanity is worth the money!

Jennifer
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Keywords: what did you do?
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:16:09 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Sep6.231728.14576@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>OK, here's a question for you moms and moms-to-be:
>Rings.  Especially wedding/engagment/bridal sets.  I am 20
>weeks pregnant and much to my dismay, just had to take off my
>bridal set......it was getting tighter and tighter, then I
>was having trouble getting if off, then it was *really* stuck,
>but managed to get it off, and it won't be going on again.

Wouldn't you know, just when you get to the point in your life 
where you really want a symbol to show everyone yes I AM married,
the symbol doesn't fit anymore.  Dan Quayle would take one look
at you and shake his finger. :-)

I had the same problem.  If it makes you feel any better, my rings
fit the week after I delivered.  I wasn't gaining fat in my fingers,
just water.  Won't help with the "Single Pregnant Mother" look    
though. :-)  (And in the year of family values too!)

						Cathy
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:08:21 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Adverse reactions to Hepatitis B vaccine?

I have a quick question.  Recently, there was some discussion about the
hepatitis B vaccine on the net.  I have just switched physicians and the new
Dr. at Doug's 1 yr check-up recommended the vaccine.  My question is about
scheduling the vaccine--do children usually have a reaction to this vaccine
(like the common DPT reactions) or not?  In short, am I asking for trouble
scheduling this for the day before Doug's birthday party?  I'd appreciate
hearing from parents whose children received the vaccine.  This new dr. is
joining a practice in town and they have not given it to other children,
yet, so the nurse couldn't really tell me what to expect.

Thanks in advance,

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Puppy Surprise
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.161511.8791@cco.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:

>I've noticed a pattern in toy pricing that gets me _really_ furious:
...
>When these toys come out, the prices are always offensively
>high
...
>Then, once a year or two have
>passed and these toys are no longer the real hot sellers, the prices drop
>to levels that seem more reasonable.
>
>Just good supply-and-demand capitalism or slimy opportunism?

What's the difference?  I don't think there is one.  Toy companies
exist to make money.  They will charge as much for a toy as the
customers are willing to pay.  If demand drops off, they`ll lower the
price.  I think "supply and demand" and "opportunism" are really the
same concept.  If you don't think a toy is worth a given price, don't
pay it.  But if others are willing to pay it, the price will remain
high.  Short of government regulation (Boooo!  Hisssss!), them's the
breaks.

>I'm  doing my best to avoid these toys, & I was pleased when my 8-yr old
>daughter announced that these fancy toys just get boring after a little
>while.   

I once overheard a boy in a mall say to his friends "Ya know, video
games are kinda boring".  I wanted to pick him up and hug him, but of
course I'd have been arrested.  His friends, needless to say, thought
he was bonkers.

I agree whole-heartedly with your approach.  Sarah doesn't watch
network TV, and therefore never sees commercials.  We've bought her
exactly one high-tech toy - a cassette player ($30), since we want her
to grow up appreciating music.  Of course, she's just short of four
years old, so the worst is yet to come in terms of toy demand (among
other things).  I hope she comes to the same conclusion as your
daughter.

Anyway, who needs Teddy Ruxpin when Mama and Daddy are such GREAT story
readers?  ("Get a freaking CLUE, Farmer Jones!!!")  And one trip to the
library with Mama is more fun than six months with a walking plastic
dog.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: melanie@verdix.com (Melanie R Rooney)
Subject: CANADIAN car seat - recommendations and info sought
Summary: Looking for advice on how to buy a Canadian car seat from U.S.A.
Keywords: car seat
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:08:55 GMT

Hi,
    I am an Australian due to return "down under" in 12mths. Australia has
some quite specific standards regarding child car seats (in particular, the
back of the seat MUST be able to be tethered to the car) and I am keen to
purchase a car seat for my daughter which will satisfy these standards 
when we return. I believe that the Canadian car seat standards are the same
as Australia's, so I am investigating whether it is possible to purchase
one via mail or phone order from the USA.
    If someone has the address or phone number of a mail order company in
Canada that sells child car seats, that would be great.  Also, are there any 
Canadians reading this that could give me some advice on what brand/models 
they and their children have liked? That may make it easier if I have to order 
directly from a manufacturer.

Many thanks in advance....

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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: failure
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 07:16:54 EDT

In article <9f5B02dI20zP01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda
Newell) writes:

   > What do adoptive parents think about all of this.  Those parents
   > who are unable for some reason to conceive and give birth to
   > their children miss out on the whole pregnancy experience, but
   > is the baby perhaps even more special because of the difficulty
   > they have in getting it.

Well...Cheryl and I were in the middle of the adoption process when we found
out that she was pregnant (we still plan to adopt later).  The people at the
agency we were going through have what we think is a wonderful training
program that covers all the major issues, and one of the things they told us
is not to worry about missing the birth, that the experience of getting that
phone call and coming to the office to pick up your child is every bit as
exhilarating (with 90% less pain!).

And actually, I just read somewhere that the whole bonding issue may have
been extremely overblown.  Seems the scientists who first came up with this
concept were basing it on their understanding of how animals work, where a
newborn animal assumes that the first creature it sees is its mother.  This
is called imprinting, and there have been cases of animals of one species
following one of another around because the real mother was gone or dead by
the time the child was aware.  From this, people came up with the idea that
it must work the same with humans, and that if you aren't able to make that
first contact with your kid within moments of its being born, then you've
lost the chance for bonding and the relationship will be scarred for life.

Lunch meat, I say!  My relationship with my mother is no worse than someone
who was able to "bond" immediately, and there are millions of others out
there, born in the "old days" who didn't get to be with their mothers until
the anesthesia wore off and are doing just fine.

Well...that's my 2c (3c Canadian).

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From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nursery Rhyme?
Keywords: Monday's Child
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:36:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22266]: caesar

In article <1992Sep15.191517.22666@apgea.army.mil> mwcombs@apgea.army.mil (Maggie W. Combs <mwcombs>) writes:
>>Does anyone out there know the entire rhyme which starts out
>>Monday's child is full of grace
>>Tuesday's child is fair of face...

>>Someone asked me if I could remember what Sunday was and I drew a blank on
>>most of the rhyme.  Thanks in advance!

  Monday's child is full of grace,
  Tuesday's child is fair of face,
  Wednesday's child is full of woe,
  Thursday's child has far to go,
  Friday's child is loving and giving,
  Saturday's child works hard for a living,
  But the child that is born on the Sabbath day is
  Bonnie, blythe,good and gay.
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: I Love You All
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:45:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     I was gettingso tired of seeing the subject heading with the "f" word
in it, I thought I'd counter with one of love.  And, after all, that is how
I feel towards everyone. (Some a little more than others :-)  Nice change
of pace, huh?
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:42:06 GMT

>>
> 
> My second-grade teacher willfully
>mispronounced my name for the entire year.  She's the one who started
>me down the Evil Path of viewing teachers as target practice.  And my
>brother, who went by his middle name for about twenty-five years, _did_
>get tired of correcting people and now uses his first name instead.  I
>wouldn't name a son Spock or Data, but Geordi seems okay.
> 
>Gina


My poor cousin, Mike Guglielmo, (pronounced Ghoul - e - elmo) was called
"Guatemala" intentionally all his freshman year in high school by (I think)
a shop teacher.  That ended on Parents night when my Uncle came up to the
teacher and said, "Hi.  I'm Mr. Guatemala."  But it just goes to show you
how insensitive people can be and how any name can be twisted to tease.



--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:02:22 GMT
Summary: paying for daycare

> I'm curious, what do other people pay for daycare?

Oh boy, what a timely article.  I am 20 weeks along, and although my
mom will be watching the baby for a while after my maternity leave of
3-6 months, I am currently looking into daycare for when the baby gets
older (2yrs). [ note: my mom is across town, and not in the best of
health, a toddler may be difficult for her to watch, even though she
would love to].  So, I've been looking into childcare.  I work for AT&T,
which has an excellent child care referral service, they sent me a big
pack of info on tons of places around me and around work!  They really
did much of the research, the prices, what they offer, the setting,
the waiting list, etc etc.  

Much to my shock and upset, the main places I had tentatively wanted
were $125 / week!  And our top choice had a non-refundable $270 fee!!
(what the hell is that for??) and I had to apply and get on the
waiting list now for a space over a yr into the future!  You gotta be
kidding!!  I was so upset and distraught over the prices and
waiting lists, that I was actually in tears 2 weekends ago when
I got this package of info and was looking it over.  I'm only
20 weeks pregnant and already crying and upset over day care!
Jeez!!!  Sure I'd love my mom to watch the baby/toddler all the time,
but I must think what is best for my mom too.  I was going to pay
my mom $75-$100 / week. 

I was just very upset that what I perceived to be the perfect daycare,
close to my home, had everything we wanted, etc etc etc was the most
expensive, $125/week with a $270 non-refundable fee to reserve a space
(I guess) and I had to get on a waiting list now??!!  How can you
possibly make such a decision before your baby is even born??!!
Jeez, I am not even sure how long of a maternity leave I will be
taking, or how long my mom will be watching the little one.

Anyway, to answer your question, here in the Allentown, PA area,
for the bunch of places I got info on, prices ranged from $75/
week (usually a household setting) with no non-refundable deposit,
to $125/week with a $270 non-refundable fee.  Most were $100/week,
or $105/week, with smaller fees such as $35.

My husband and I joked that for the most expensive one, that kid better
get a college education!!  If you figure it out hourly, daycare can
be more expensive than college!  

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93


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