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From: saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (SAITOWITZ L S)
Subject: Thoughts to procrastinate with...
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:28:13 GMT

The other night I was watching a film on the founding of the A.A. (
alcoholics anonymous) and got to thinking, there are so many parallels 
between trying to diet and giving up an addiction. I mean food for me is 
like an addiction. I get cravings, mostly I think they're psycological,  
I'm not hungry but I'll go into the pantry and look around for "forbidden 
foods" an apple or salad just doesn't make the grade. I'll eat them, sure,  
but sure as hell I'll be back in time for something more substantial. Does 
anybody else do that too? I'm not fat, but I'm chubby (from my point of 
view) I weigh about 66Kg (I don't know what that is in pounds)
I also eat to procrastinate, it's like this little interupt every fifteen 
minutes or so... BEEP should I go find something to eat? or I think it's 
time for another coffee break.
I think this whole way of thinking is abnormal but how do I stop 
thinking about it? 
Well I've gotto go work, bye!

Lesley :)
Saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za
"Despite many peoples' belief to the contrary, life plays no favourites."
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Here's my stab at a recipe.  This might be a little weird, but I find
it reasonably tasty and quite low fat.  I'll do this in the summertime
on the occasions when I want something hot and quick.

Sorta Chili  Serves ??

1 can (15 oz) Heinz Vegtarian beans    500 calories, according to Heinz
1 can (15oz) tomatoes.                 140 calories, according to me :-)
1 can (6 oz) water packed tuna         180 calories
Onion (I'll use chopped green onion or diced mature onion, depending
on whim and supplies.  On some occasions I'll use 1/4cup dried onion.)
Sliced mushrooms to taste.
Spices, generally of the "chili" variety; cumin, red pepper, tobasco,
etc, etc.)

Throw all into a large enough saucepan, and heat for a few minutes until
bubbling.  (If you use mature onion, you may need to saute it.  With
the dried onion, it will rehydrate from the juice from the tomato and
the tuna water (if you didn't drain it.)

Assuming you used two cups of mushrooms (I really like my 'shrooms) and
a cup of mature onion, you will have 40+65 calories, so the total
calories from the batch will be 925 calories.  There's not a whole lot
of meat in this dish, so you may want to help out the protein from the 
beans with a serving of corn.

You don't get the chewy/greasy texture of Real Texas Chili (tm), but as
a California Newage Weird Chili (tm) it's pretty good.  This can serve
as the basis of one of my mostly vegie dinners, since many other varieties
of vegetables will go along with this mix quite nicely.

Pete Brooks
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Summary: Hang in there!
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:18:45 GMT

> >So... how do y'all deal with the temptation of... TEMPTATION?  How can
> >being nutritionally conscious compete with the idea of complete hedonism
> >and the liberty to choose freely what you ingest?
> >
> >Tom
> 
  If I have any cravings I have learned to have just a LITTLE bit of that
 item. My big problem is sweets, so when I really crave chocolate I will
 eat a few (about 6 or so) of the hersheys chocolate chips and put the
 rest away so I don't eat the entire bag. I find that just the taste
 will help me from going crazy! I am constantly tempted in the office I
 work in by sweets so I just have to keep telling myself that it is not
 worth it and that as they gain weight I am still losing it!

> 
> 
> Actually it gets better with time. I never even think of smoking
> anymore! After a month or two off of fat and sugar they become a vague
> memory for me too! Time really heals all wounds. Remember,It will get
> better!!!!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> rf

  And that is right! It does get better and easier over time. When I first 
 started on WW way back when I gave away about three bags of chips. Since then
 I gave up eating potatoe chips and now when I see one I have no desire to
 even try it. I also have found that I no longer have a tolerance for
 fried foods so I just don't even try to eat them anymore!

 It will get better and you can do it!!!!


 Diane

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:41:44 GMT

In article <BuHoBF.57o@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>In <1992Sep9.091659.9605@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:
>
>
>>know I shouldn't have it, but I have to have something.  My SO said
>>I use hypoglycemia to be a bitch.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>Alma
>
>
>hi alma...
>
>that is mean and not fair....hypoglycemia makes you SICK (or at least
>it makes me sick....)  tell him i said he deserves 20 lashes with a
>wetoodle :)...
>
>barb
>
>p.s.  margot...i agree with other people...it sounds like you made the
>best of a bad situation...and you should not deny yourself something
>that is not "on program" if the alternative is hunger...
>--

He just loves to tease me.  But I did explain what happens when I
get hypoglycemic and although he has never been around anyone that
was diabetic he is pretty understanding.  He's cute, too, so I
forgive him just about anything.

Alma
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Re: Seat Padding: was Re: Bicycle Question
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:10:41 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

I use bike shorts with the normal chamois type padding in them.  For
longer rides (1 hours and up), they are a godsend.  Don't think I'd
want to try longer rides without padding.

OTOH, my cool-weather tights don't have padding.  when I use them for
a morning ride (40 minutes typical), I don't have any trouble.  Then
again, I'm riding 6 days a week, and putting on many miles right now.

Pete Brooks
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From: zdv146@zam112.zam.kfa-juelich.de ()
Subject: just a test for further postings, SORRY
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:25:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: zam112.zam.kfa-juelich.de
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

WE apologize for the inconvenience. I am just testing this host to accept my
postings. I had no posting access to alt.support.diet since now. 
Go on .... you are a great encuraging people !
Till further *real* postings
Dirk
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: Thoughts to procrastinate with...
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:04:20 GMT

In article <saitowit.16@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (SAITOWITZ L S) writes:
>The other night I was watching a film on the founding of the A.A. (
>alcoholics anonymous) and got to thinking, there are so many parallels 
>between trying to diet and giving up an addiction. I mean food for me is 
>like an addiction. I get cravings, mostly I think they're psycological,  
> .....
>I also eat to procrastinate, it's like this little interupt every fifteen 
>minutes or so... BEEP should I go find something to eat? or I think it's 

Abnormal?  The pattern you describe fits me to a T - and I'm sure others
would say the same.  WE'RE the normal ones!

I've found that when I'm really sticking with my WW program, the balance of
nutrition I'm getting helps reduce the cravings.  When I do crave chocolate,
I can tell it's hormonally induced behavior.  In moments of social weakness
when sweets are readily available, I've found that just one taste is enough to
send me binging.  However, when I know I'll be faced with these kinds of
challenges, I can decide in advance: am I going to indulge or am I going to
stick with my diet?  Even if I decide to indulge, I'm now in control, and
find that the indulgence is enjoyed as opposed to feeling like bad behavior.

Procrastinate with veggies - have them cut and ready.  Some people
procrastinate by cleaning house!  (I'm procrastinating right now by reading news 
and sending email!)

The difference between food addiction and alcohol addiction is that we can't
live without food, so we have to learn how to eat well and how to face the
issues in ourselves that cause the addictive behavior.

-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
From: dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Karen Witkoski)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: How do you walk that much?  (was Re: inspiration)
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:54:14 GMT
Expires: 30 Sep 92 04:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Karen Witkoski)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSWC, Annapolis, Maryland

In alt.support.diet, klb@stiatl.salestech.com (Kathy Ball) writes:
>mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>..................  So I started walking.  And I'm still walking--usually
>>I do 9 miles a day (3x3).  According to my calculations, I have
>>lost about 60 pounds since January, just from the walking alone.

I love to walk.  I had an operation in February of this year.  As soon
as the doctor said that it was OK to exercise again I started walking.
I even got my husband and son in a routine (until the weather got hot
and humid).  Then we quit.  I realize that I felt better and lost weight
after walking only 30 to 45 minutes' four days a week.

My problem is that my heels hurt so badly after walking.  Not immediately
afterwards.  But after sitting for a while, then trying to get up, oooooh
what pain.  I'm not sure why my heels hurt.  Does anyone have any comments?
I bought good walking shoes that are well padded.  But this hasn't helped.
I'm only 36 years old...not too old yet :).

Karen
From: bpatel@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Bhavesh Patel)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Want to increase weight but pimples
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:32:56 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I want to increase weight. So, if I eat food like cheese, eggs continuous
for some 4-5 days immediately pimples comes out on my face.

So ,what is the best diet to increase weight without increasing pimples

Thanks for the responses at my email address

Bhavesh
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:38:02 GMT

In <1992Sep9.091659.9605@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:


>Sounds like you made the best of a bad situation.  I am diabetic and
>can't go for very long without eating and when I am someplace where
>there is no "diet" food available I just take what I figure is the
>best I can do.  I, of course, will choose something like cole slaw
>over something that may contain sugar, but it is the same thing I
>know I shouldn't have it, but I have to have something.  My SO said
>I use hypoglycemia to be a bitch.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Alma


hi alma...

that is mean and not fair....hypoglycemia makes you SICK (or at least
it makes me sick....)  tell him i said he deserves 20 lashes with a
wetoodle :)...

barb

p.s.  margot...i agree with other people...it sounds like you made the
best of a bad situation...and you should not deny yourself something
that is not "on program" if the alternative is hunger...
--
***************************************************************************
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"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
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to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: Re: CHALLENGE--Write in your ideas! Please
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:02:32 GMT

I love cheese, but don't want the fat grams, so when I can, I use
fat-free cottage cheese as my salad dressing.  Then I can afford to
"splurge" with a few black olives or some sunflower seeds.

Jan
From: breigh@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Breigh)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Request Low Fat Creole Rec.
Date: 15 Sep 1992 19:48:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: LESC

Does anyone out there have a rec. for Shrimp Creole (low fat version)?
I'm wanting to experiment with some food that has a little flavor.
Any good gumbo recipes???

Thanks,

Cecilia
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Bicycle Question: was Re: Congrats!!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:39:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:

>In article <168568BBB.M21444@mwvm.mitre.org> M21444@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>This is going to sound really dumb, but here goes... 

>I love to ride, however I have one problem, and always have had it,
>regardless of my weight, even when I was "skinny" by reports from my
>doctor.  I cannot find a bike that is comfortable to ride for long
>periods.  The seat seems to bruise me, and I hurt like hell for a few
>days afterward. 

>Is this just me, or....?

No, it could be the bike.  What kind of bikes have you tried?  What 
kind of saddles?  I always found racing or touring bikes to be
a real drag. I hated bending over like that all the time, and the
narrow saddle was just too uncomfortable.

Now I have a mountain bike.  I like it for a number of reasons:

1.  Nice wide seat (and there are wider ones available)
2.  Straight handle bars that let you sit upright instead of bending
    over the whole time.
3.  21 speeds, so you never have to get off and walk the bike when the
    hills get too steep, and you can always peddle as hard as you want
    too if you don't want to waste precious exercise time by coasting.
4.  You can ride on any terrain.  Basically, pedding a half mile on
    a grassy meddow will give you as much of a workout as peddling
    on 2 miles of paved surface.

    You can also escape the busy streets and ride off into the quiet
    seclusion of the wilderness.  Basically, if there is a hiking 
    trail, you can ride on it.  (Unless the trail is restricted to
    foot traffic only - as some are).

But is you don't want to spend all that money, and you don't mind
riding on the road, you can still get a regular 3 or 5 speed with
a wide saddle and upright handlebars.  That, at least, might make
you more comfortable.

Good luck.  There might be some biking newsgroups that can give
you more information.

Sue

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:36:43 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

I like Healthy Sensation's Honey Dijon salad dressing.  It's fat free
and about 20 calories per tablespoon.  I absolutely adore it on a baked
potato and imagine it would make a great sandwich spread.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:56:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Yeah, I know temptation...

I try (usually successfully, though getting Cool whip out of the diet
is promising to be a challenge) to "not see" the foods that I know I 
shouldn't eat.  It's really tough, with the supermarkets putting
those really attractive displays of highfat/high calorie/high profit
foods right along with the better stuff .  (My personal favorite is
the display of chocolate along with the fruits...)

I got over my hamburger habit by "simply" not eating red meat for several
months.  By the time I got back to trying a hamburger, I was shocked
to realize just how much I *didn't* like the stuff!  I think I've had
a total of a few ounces of beef in 6 months.

Pete Brooks
From: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Date: 4 Sep 1992 22:22:43 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.27

I generally use non-fat yogurt where most people would use
butter or margarine or mayonnaise.  Another spread that would
be good with vegetables (I'm not sure about with turkey) is
a non-fat bean spread.  I have bought several that are good,
and have also made them by putting drained and rinsed canned
beans (any kind, although kidney beans do give you a funny
pink-colored spread) with some vinegar and herbs in a food
processor or blender.  I generally have to add a bit of
water to get it to the proper spreading consistency.  (By
the way, I've learned by hard experience to go easy on the
seasonings if I'm going to be keeping the spread for a while.
What seems just the right about of, say, garlic when I make
it will have me breathing fire after the spread has spent
a few days in the refrigerator.)

Jane
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: lmc@cs.cornell.edu (Linda Marie Competillo)
Subject: Re:  What about those lousy skinny people?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:55:09 GMT

In article <YehTW3K00iUx82KmUS@andrew.cmu.edu> Kathryn Brennan <kb3i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I have a problem.  I'm on the other side of the story.  I try to
>encourage my fiance to change his eating habits (and to cut down on
>certain foods)...  I know he would love to be thinner (if only it were
>that easy) -- but he doesn't seem able to commit to working at it.  I
>try to be supportive by not having 'junk' food in the house and by
>eating healthy dinners, etc.  But often what happens is that I end up
>watching what I eat more than he does!  I do not have a weight problem,
>so sometimes I resent being in this position.  On the other hand, if I
>were to just eat whatever I wanted, he would follow suit as well...  (if
>I were to buy potato chips for myself, then he would probably end up
>eating 2/3rds of the bag and me 1/3rd...).  
>
>I know its not my responsibility to try to control my fiance's weight,
>but sometimes I feel that if I don't do it, he won't either.  He has
>tried dieting many times, and, although he can lose the weight, he
>usually gains most of it back.  But now that we're living together, I
>keep hoping that he will give it one more 'real' try -- because I am
>willing to try to support him every step of the way (I will even diet
>with him).  How can I be the most supportive without nagging?  How can I
>try to motivate him?  I know that he has to want to do it himself, but I
>still can't resist making subtle suggestions.  
>
>-Kate 


I too, would be interested in feedback on this topic. Unlike Kate, I *do* 
also have a weight problem. In fact, I got on a roll last Thursday and just
kept on rolling until today, but now I am up to 149 pounds from last week's
141 and back to needing to lose 20 pounds when I had gotten down to only 
needing to lose 12!!! My husband, however, needs to lose about 40-50 and it's
hard for me not to nag and/or be his conscience. It gets EXTREMELY discouraging
when I am trying so hard and taking the extra time AND money to prepare 
low-cal low-fat things and have him eat everything I prepare and then go 
ahead and eat a bunch of high-fat, high-cal stuff *in addition to* everything
I've made and/or put in his lunch.

Maybe Hope Horton has some insight on this one?

Linda
-- 
Linda Competillo
lmc@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green)
Subject: Calorie Counter Program?
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 06:06:47 GMT

Are there any programs for quick lookup of food calories.  Preferablly
for a Mac, and preferablly at an FTP site, though if you know of
a good one commercially, I'd like to hear about that too!

I won't be logging on far more than a week as I'm going out
of town, so any posted answers will be gone by the time I'm back,
so please e-mail me any answers and I'll post a summary when
I return.  

Thanx
Jamez


/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@eros.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ 
|                                                          	|
|      M y   K a r m a   r a n   o v e r   m y   D o g m a !    |
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Re: Seat Padding: was Re: Bicycle Question
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:44:48 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

I should have clarified that.  Bicycle seats are the *only* seats that
didn't feel harder when I lost weight.  The worst is/was the toilet...
As it stands (sits?) my bike seats were so narrow that there was never
much padding between the skin and bones, no matter what my weight.

Pete
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:15:56 GMT

I use miso - it's pretty salty tasting, but high in B vitamins, and
a little goes a long way!  You can also mix it with just about
anything: mustard, mayo, pureed tofu, salsa or ketchup, etc.  

Here's a 2 for the price of one: my contribution to the Salad
Challenge: once a week I try to make up a cold salad of some sort -
usually I steam a big bag of bean sprouts until just soft (al dente),
add matchstick carrots, cucumbers, scallions, red cabbage, peppers,
green beans, or whatever's in the fridge, and make a dressing with
rice wine vinegar, dash of sesame oil, soy sauce, cayenne.  Then
when I pack up my big bowl of greens for the day, I add some tofu, 
sliced tomato, and top it off with some of this spicy salad.
Munch it down with some rice cakes!
(Lundberg makes a variety of cakes that are more densely packed
than most brands - 60 cal. each, and they have genuine flavor and
texture as opposed to the styrofoam variety!)

-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu


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