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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Is Clinton Wilson?
Organization: :noitazinagrO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:04:38 GMT

Charles E Thorne (cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: In article <qihvleg@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
: >In article <1992Oct1.135017.27650@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
: 
: >> For example, in the U.S. at the present time, Government health 
: >> care programs cost about 4 or 5 times per person what comparable
: >> private programs cost and yet we are constantly bombarded by 
: >> people who want the government to do more.
: 
: >As you well know, Mr Thorne, the issue is not whether Government
: >can supply health care cheaply, but who is to provide health care
: >to the 36 million - or so - Americans who currently cannot offord
: >it.
: 
: I don't disagree that these people need health insurance, and that the
: government probably needs to supply it.  The problem is how to come up with
: the additional $100 billion per year to pay for it.  In a budget that is
: already strained to its limit, this is not a politically viable concept.
: 
The general consensus is that wastage and inefficiency is already much
larger than $100 billion.  Consumer Reports quotes $200 billion.
: 
The real problems in health care are the elderly, children (espec under
age 5) and pregnant women.  They absorb most of the money.  Two of those
groups cannot, by definition, pay for their own care.  Any kind of
program has to address those first and forget issues about how many NMR
scanners per 10000 of population you need.  Private care is failing in
this respect.  Govt. care is having to deal with much of the problem
in a climate where people are more worried about diseases-of-the-month
than about how they're going to do when, as 90% of them will, they get
old.  Fix these issues and the system will be most of the way to
recovery, whoever is actually in charge.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 11:12:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>|> 
>|> I must be missing something here.  Do playwrights write plays to be
>|> acted or to be read?  Do you read opera?  Do you read film scores?  
>
>Yes, you are missing something.   People do read this stuff.   My
>local bookstore has an entire section of Opera scores.

Well, what is it?  Do playwrights write plays for reading or for
acting?  Of course people read these things--I do myself.  But the
idea of reading say, the Magic Flute, without listening to it strikes
me as rather unusual behaviour.
 
>|> Laban?  Stockhausen?  To be really insulting, do you read synchronised 
>|> swimming scripts, and let your 'imagination' provide the performance? 
>
>I don't know about synchronized swimming, but people write books
>about competitive swimming and diving, and other people read them.
 
Well, so what?  I believe I said "scripts", not "books about".  Let's
stick to the point, which is that the scripts I refer to were written
to be performed, not read.  Now, did WS write R&J to be performed,
or did he write it to be read?  That was my question.

>jon.

Martyn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Is Clinton Wilson?
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:41:52 GMT


Some of us have noticed, and have remarked in this forum, that trends in
the US seem to bear a strong similarity to the events that we lived
through in Britain several decades ago.

In the news last week was the support given to Candidate Clinton by groups
of normally solid Republican businessmen. Clinton is stressing change,
government support for technology development, and the need for the US
to renew itself competitively. For me it was a case of deja vu all over
again. Back in about 196? we had Harold Wilson, bright young(ish),
academically inclined politician pretending to working class roots,
challenging the wizened, bleating heir to a long period of rule by an
administration which had become stale, tired and lost. (It is fun to draw
the parallels with MacMillan and Reagan, and Bush and Home -- the former,
however one disagreed with what they stood for, certainly had great style
and charm, while their successors conspicuously lacked both those
qualities). The Wilson campaign was using some phrase like helping Britain
with the "The white heat of a technological revolution" (perhaps someone
will provide the correct version) and he too had some business leaders
convinced that he offered a better way into the future.

Besides economics, there was the issue "How was Britain to remain a Great
Power?".  The Conservatives maintained that this must involve the
maintenance of an independent nuclear capability, without it Britain would
lose its influence among the big powers. (As an aside, I was at a Wilson
rally in Southampton when a heckler -- most likely a plant -- called out
"Would you have Sir Alec go naked into the conference chamber?" The
imagery that this cry evoked caused a roar of amusement that probably
could have been heard in Portsmouth.)

Parallels with this election and the current US presidential one are clear.
Those wishing to know the future may want to go back and study what
happened after Harold Wilson was elected, viz. continuation of a downwards
drifting trend which led last week to pronouncements that Britain was now,
even WITH its nuclear force, in the lower part of a two tier Europe. Poor
Harold/Bill! I wonder how much they really believe(d) they had/have a chance
of actually making a difference?

Dick Jackson
From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: In response to Jon Livesey, also stand on EC, Maastricht and the Ani
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:23:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.


In soc.culture.british, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:

> Anyway, there's no reason whatsoever to think that *any* power will move
> away from Brussels/Strasbourg (they quite like it :-). On what do you base 
> your belief that Rome will become the seat of the EC?

	He has to believe that to prop up his rather comical house
 of cards....obvious really. Christians have been pulling that trick
 for centuries.

	arf
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:00:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>Right, what Japan did as a country is not too different to what
>a company does.   It invested current wealth in future products
>and production.    As in Germany, companies in Japan seem to
>both take a longer view of investment, and also have more
>confidence that the fruits of that investment will not be
>confiscated by the Government in pursuit of whatever crazy
>scheme the socialists have dreamed up this month.

Well, if countries are like companies, Britain is like a
company which has stopped production of the products for which
it was once the world leader, closed down its research and development
unit, and used the proceeds to pay higher salaries to the
managers and clerks in head office on the grounds that they're
shuffling round memoes all day is a productive service.

As for this idea that the British government is just waiting to
pounce and nationalise anything that moves, what decade are you
living in Jon? A government bent on privatising everything has
now been elected four times running, and none of the opposition
parties proposes renationalising anything.

Matthew Huntbach
From: jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Renewable energy (was Re: The end of society as we know it)
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:09:40 GMT
	<1992Oct5.100047.27503@bristol.ac.uk>
	<Oct05.180858.106433@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
In-reply-to: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu's message of 5 Oct 92 18:08:58 GMT

In article <Oct05.180858.106433@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham) writes:

   As I recall, the University of Bristol was one of the centres of research
   into the nodding duck wave power project.  However, someone else had screwed
   up the wave spectrum measurements off the British coast and it transpired
   that the promising wave power project would be economically unviable.

An "independent" survey into renewable energy sources like nodding
ducks was done in the 1970. The survey was undertaken by a unit
attached to the UK Atomic Energy Authority. Not surprisingly, this
survey "proved" that renewable energy was far more expensive than that
produced by the likes of nuclear power stations. The government then
pulled the plug on research funding on renewable energy sources.

		Jim
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From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:38:55 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Sep29.212802.4550@epas.toronto.edu>, sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep29.062354.18381@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
|> >
|> >Why is this bonkers?  It sounds like an excellent idea (although it might
|> >be better to require more than one play).
|> 
|> It's bonkers because Shakespeare's English is now 375 or so years old.
|> Why should we be expecting 14-year-olds to comprehend it?

Probably a stupid question, but have you ever read any
Shakespeare?  

When I was 11 years old, we started reading one Shakespeare
play each Spring term.   No, we didn't understand every single
word, and yes, we went through it slowly, with the assistance
of a very talented teacher.

No-one expected us to comprehend it off the tops of our little 
heads, but then, that's what education is supposed to be about, 
isn't it, getting one from a state of blissful ignorance to a 
state in which one glimpses how much there is to learn.   Not 
understanding Shakespeare is much to be preferred to completely 
understanding Eastenders.

Was what we were doing was "bonkers"?   No, of course it wasn't 
bloody bonkers.   It was hard work.    It was one of the most 
rewarding experiences of my life.

What are we going to do next?   Excuse the little darlings
from listening to Mozart because it doesn't have a nice
solid disco beat?

jon.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:27:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
|> It is hard to square this with increasingly authoritarian
|> control of local government by the UK government, such as the
|> recent nationalisation of the education system.

>You mean letting parents control schools?   Yes, truly tragic.

No, I mean the huge volumes of bureaucratic rules coming from
central government which schools now have to follow. In the
past, schools were free to set their own curricula. Now they
are not. I find it hard to see how this means "letting parents
control schools".

>Please don't misquote me so early in the conversation.   I didn't
>say it's a good thing when poeple make bad choices.   I think it's
>a good thing when people are allowed to succeed *or fail*.

Actually, so do I. That is why I am so opposed to Tory
centralisation of local government. So far as I am concerned,
if the people elect a bad local council that is their
problem. We shouldn't have the nanny state coming in and
telling the council what it must do with its schools, what
level of local tax it must set, what it must do with its
houses, etc. etc. etc, you name it, it used to be locally
controlled, it's now nationally controlled.

>Well, that's crap.    There are some strictly limited things
>that Governments can do, but most of the broad economic trends
>are actually outside the control of Government, and blaming
>the Government the the British buying too many imports is just
>silly.

Well, if the British aerospace industry closes down and moves
to Taiwan because the Taiwan government has offered it
subsidies, who is to blame when Britain has a trade deficit in
airplanes?

On the whole, I am in closer agreement with you than you
suppose. I have stood a number of times in local government
elections, and my election material has always made it clear
that firstly I don't claim to be able to work magic, secondly
that anything the council does must be paid for from local
taxation. My opponents on the left have always gone on about
how they'd improve services without specifying how they'd pay
for it, while my opponents on the right have always gone on
about how they'd cut local taxes without specifying what
they'd cut to pay for it. That's probably why I never got
elected :-(

Matthew Huntbach
From: m1pkd00@fed.frb.gov (Prasad K. Dharmasena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Sinhala script.....
Keywords: scripts
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:17:00 GMT


I said:
> >I have not seen much similarity between Tamil and Sinhala scrips.  It
> >would be surprising, however, if there is none.  BTW, do all Indo-Euro-

Kandiah Sribalaskandarajah <uunet!milton.u.washington.edu!sri> said:

> Well, one of my sinhala teachers, used to insist that learning sinhala 
> scripts is very easy for a person who knows tamil scripts. According to
> him, all you have to do is remove the corners in the tamil script,
> to get the sinhala script. :-) He infact proved this by induction,
> beginning with, mana -> mayanna, pana -> payanna, yana -> yayanna, dana ->
> dayanna, etc.. :-) Of course, after a few examples, he said "similarly,....".

Hmmmm... yeah, come to think of it, all those accents ("E", "A~", "O", etc)
are very similar too.  I guess, since I hadn't read either one in a while,
I just forgot.  I stand corrected. (tell me when I can sit down) Thanks Sri.

About 8-10 years ago, someone once proposed a new script systems for
Sinhala so that all these accents go after the relevant consonant.
No one gave much attention/thought to it.  But something like that
would have been very easy to implement for computer screens.  Sort
of like English, where you combine vowels and consonants to make 
one sound.  Yeah, yeah, I know, all the Sanskrit-based languages are
not meant to be written that way.... but still.... <sigh>  This new
scripts would have reduced the keys on the keyboard as well.  (Sort
of like RISC Sinhalese.)

Which brings us to another point, which has been asked a few dozen 
times here and on SLNet.... but with the advancing technology, today's
answer might (hopefully) be different.  What are the Sinhala word-
processing, desktop publishing, computer typesetting, etc tools
available today, either in Sri Lanka or outside of SL?  Any PostScript
or LaTex fonts in Sinhalese?

prasad

--
Prasad Dharmasena      Internet: <pkd@fed.FRB.GOV>     UUCP: <uunet!fed!pkd>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: cs304001@scs.carleton.ca (Chulaka Ailapperuma)
Subject: Re: English as the main language
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:12:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.201805.16911@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> srasaret@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suresh Rasaretnam) writes:
>
>      HI all sri-lanka netters... .... I am proposing to make  English the
>official language..... then all the troubles will be over, what do you
>think....at the present time we are spending about 12% of  our national
>budget on defence.....                
>                                            bye...... apple mac is the
>best..
>s

Sorry my friend, but this is not the solution. If english was
the official language we would have a class war in our hands
instead of a ethnic war.

A Federated govn'mnt is the solution.



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From: 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Keep Suresh Alive!!!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:05:43 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

Keep Suresh Alive!!!!

We miss Suresh!!!!

In article <Eei_sSq00awLQ9tWhN@andrew.cmu.edu>, rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh) writes:
|> >Let me ask this. Is it possible that LTTE are killing more Tamils
|> >than Sinhalese?
|> 
|> According to the Sri Lankan Joint Comand press relieses, it is possible.
|> And many more things are possible, too.   They would love to make it
|> look look that LTTE is fighting fellow Tamils.  Well, they have failed
|> in this regard. The war is between the Tamils and the Sinhala
|> government. 
|> Certain fringe Tamil groups' association militarrili/politically to the
|> government doesn't make this war a Tamil vs. Tamil one. We refer to
|> these Tamils as 'traitors.' They also fought alongside the IPKF....
|> 
|> One of the historical battles took place 2000 yrs ago, between the Tamil
|> King Elara and the Sinhala King TuTtugaamunu(sp?) in the Vanni
|> jungles(Vavuniya area).  Elara lost the battle. And the Tamil had to pay
|> a dear price for that loss.  From time immomerial, the Nallur kings had
|> ties with the Chera Chola kings. Sometimes, even the Sinhalase had ties
|> with a particular dynasty. One time, most of present day Sri Lanka was
|> under a Chola kings' rule(50-60 yrs).  A Sinhala king(Parakrama Bhahu)
|> ended that reign.  During that reign(50-60yrs), it was a time of
|> expansion for Tamils.  Some of famous Temples of Eelam were built under
|> the Cholan.
|> In brief, there were many many wars, between Tamils and Sinhalase.
|> Sometimes, the battles were fought by our kings(Nallur), sometimes
|> fought by the Tamil Naadu kings.....
|> |> 
|> 
|> As you can see, you cannot avoid involvement in this war. We are not
|> 'Tamil from Sri Lanka.' Tamils  passivity in Tamil Nadu concerning 
|> Tamils of Eelam tantamounts to their lack of regard for history and  a
|> complete let-down. In another words,  we(Eelam Tamils)  may not be
|> Tamils had it not been for the Tamil kings from Tamil Naadu and the
|> continued settlement of Tamils in old Jaffna kingdom.    
|> 
|> I suggest that every Tamil find his/her roots.  Historically, we are all
|> binded together. Passivity will spell doom for the continuity of Tamil
|> culture in its glorious state.  It's already happening slowly in Tamil
|> Naadu.
|> 
|> suresh



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From: 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Keep Amirthalingam Alive!!! (Mrs.)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:06:48 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.


From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 10:42:05 GMT-)1:44
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <IeiC2Ga00iUyE5y1l6@andrew.cmu.edu> Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Amirthalingam with his TULF was in the process of wheeling and deeling w/ the 
>Sinhala government, while the Tamils continue to lose more of their land and 
>subject to state sponsored terror tactics. TULF was also bit out of
>touch with the majority of Tamils at that time.
>Good enough?
>
>Just not Amirthalingam. Anyone esp. a fellow Tamil who inlvolves
>himself/herself in wheeling or deeling with a party bent on subjugating
>Eelam Tamils will meet the wrath of the Tamil people. The time for
>endless talks ended in July 1983.

So Amirthalingam didn't do any good to Tamils. Now what has LTTE gained by 
killing him ? More sympathy ??? More respectability ??? They just made it known
that they should be the only representatives of Tamils. But I simply don't
understand what they gained. Did they do any better than Amirthalingam and TULF?
The answer is no. They have antagonised many Tamils is Srilanka and Tamilnadu.
Tamils are fleeing Srilanka now more than ever. You know why ? Because they are
afraid LTTE will force them into their warfare(they recruit people of all ages
by force - many if not all). I am saying this on first hand information from my
Srilankan friends and not based on any press reports. LTTE may finally win Eelam
but there may not be any civilians left to enjoy that Eelam.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Sinhala Font (address of company)
Originator: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:25:25 GMT



I received nearly 50 e-mails enquiring about the Sinhala Fonts.
Here is the address of the company that produces them:

Ethno Multimedia
2055 Dundas Street West
Toronto, Ontario
M6R 1W8
CANADA

Phone (416) 588-7193

Meenan Vishnu
From: cs304001@scs.carleton.ca (Chulaka Ailapperuma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: English as the main language
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:06:12 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada

In article <Bvpv8x.B92@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.171243.19974@cunews.carleton.ca> cs304001@scs.carleton.ca (Chulaka Ailapperuma) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.201805.16911@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> srasaret@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suresh Rasaretnam) writes:
>>>
>>>      HI all sri-lanka netters... .... I am proposing to make  English the
>>>official language..... then all the troubles will be over, what do you
>>>think....at the present time we are spending about 12% of  our national
>>>budget on defence.....                
>>>                                            bye...... apple mac is the
>>>best..
>>>s
>>
>>Sorry my friend, but this is not the solution. If english was
>>the official language we would have a class war in our hands
>>instead of a ethnic war.
>>
>>A Federated govn'mnt is the solution.
>
>
>Quite true.  I feel that one of the best thing SL politicians (some of 
>whom were extremely far-sighted except for the ethnic issue) did to the
>country.  The country enjoys more literacy and per-capita income than our
>huge neighbor.  Some of the other achievements include: free education from
>class 1 to univ. level, free medical care to all citizens etc, which 
>many developing nations of that region can only dream of.
>
>Meenan Vishnu 
>
To make my position clearer, we should have both Tamil and Sinhala as
the official languages. English should be a compulsary subject for all
students. Both Sinhala and Tamil people should learn each others languages,
and require all public servants to do so. 
Essentialy become a bi-lingual country.

chulaka>
>
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