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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE: LA Friendship Cup on Univision
Date: 30 Jul 1992 10:29:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

From: Dan Sammartino  writes:

...misc. deleted...

They also told me that they will NOT be showing ANY Olympic soccer.
Those rights are owned by NBC (which is obviously not using them).
I don't understand why NBC didn't sub license the soccer rights to
Univision or Telemundo.  This would help them get back some of the
$150 million they are losing on this "Olympic broadcast".  But more
importantly the real soccer fan(-atic)s could see some international
competition!

Heja Sverige!

Dan

===========================================================

God! Could you imagine if NBC used such intelegent logic.  It's a scary 
thought, but boy wouldn't that be wonderful for the rest of us.

I found out also that NBC's office has been flooded (overwhelmed) with 
calls about soccer.

KEEP IT UP! THERE GETTING THE MESSAGE !!!!!

Francis.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Primary Sponsors of WC 1994
Organization: nCUBE HeadQuarters
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:26:31 GMT


>The group of ten companies that will sponsor WC 1994 has been completed.
>
>The group is:
>Canon
>Fuji Film
>Gillete
>JVC
>Mars
>Mastercard
>McDonalds
>Philips
>Coca Cola
>General Motors


I think we should contact the companies and let them know how
we feel about commercials during the game. And suggest for them
not to interrupt the game, and maybe show a superimpose or something.

Does anyone know of the times and schedule of the L.A. friendship games.
And if any broadcast is on the horizon?


Captain Zod...
zod@ncube.com
From: cczcole@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: David Rocastle
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:20:46 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1992Jul23.084538.49377@ccvax.ucd.ie> jmcbride@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>I was just half-listening to Today on Radio 4.  I think I heard them say
>something about Arsenal selling David Rocastle for 2 million.  Who to?  
>I didn't even know he was thinking of leaving.  Any more details would be
>gratefully received.
>

	Rocastle is being linked with Leeds.  His replacement at Arsenal seems
likely to be Geoff Thomas.
       This begs a coupla questions - I don't believe I'm alone in thinking
that being an amateur observer outside of the game I'm missing some subtle
aspect of Thomas' play that warrants people actually wanting him in their
team.
	Secondly what is Howard Wilkinson up to by trying to buy every 
midfield player available?  Is he trying to corner the market?  Should he be
referred to the Monopolies Commission?  Or are so many (English) teams these
days bypassing the midfield that they've realised they don't actually need
any midfield players on the pitch at all? :-)

>james p mc bride
>ucd, dublin
>ireland

Cheers,
	Marlon

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Systems Programmer                   cczcole@uk.ac.nott.unicorn depending.....
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University of Nottingham
NOTTINGHAM
NG7 2RD
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: An European Superleague Scheme
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:03:07 GMT

In article <1682CC6D7.SEMIBRA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> SEMIBRA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>     --  A SCHEME FOR A EUROPEAN FOOTBALL (soccer) SUPERLEAGUE --
>     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                                                      Ibrahim Semiz
>                                                      (preferred e-mail adress:
>                                                       semiz@yalehep)
>
>          set up for European League deleted

I have heard rumors about an European League. Mr. BErlusconi, who buys 
everything with two legs, is in favor of such a league. If there will be
an EL its only interesting for the big sponsors of football teams. Euroepean
wide coverage of the games. At this moment most leagues in Europe are having 
good times. I can't believe that football countries like Italy, Spain, Germany
and Spain will give up their leagues. If this will happen the charming character
will disappear. What to think of a good derby? Football is already business and
with an European League all charme will also be gone. 
For the development of football
its in my opinion very important that people thorughout a country can see 
high class football. That makes it for the 'smaller' teams also very interestingThe nice thing about European Cups is the knock out system. Playing safe is
difficult and surpises are always possible. If this disappears what is left then
The last EC in Sweden showed how interesting the knock out system can be 
and that not always the best team wins. I can imagine that for the big sponsors
this is not so nice. The UEFA alreay did a concession with the poule system
in the EC I which only resulted in boring matches and empty stadiums. Surpise
surpise that's what football is about.




-- 


                                      louis kossen
                                      amsterdam
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: estess@mksol.dseg.ti.com (newell estess)
Subject: Re: Olympic Football : Mexico vs Denmark
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:35:24 GMT

In <Bs16oK.KFu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> atena@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Arturo Tena-Colunga) writes:



>      I guess the result was just after all! :-) I wish
>I would be already at Mexico! :-(  I am missing a good olympic
>coverage, the americans have the richest networks but
>the worst olympic coverage I have ever seen! |-\ They spent
>zillions of time doing nonsense! I don't tune NBC to
>see Bob Costas' face, or *LONG* stories about some
>athletes! I think today they spent more time on this than
>in showing action! |-\  And I think it is very UNRESPECTFUL
>that they don't care to name and show us who are all the
>participants in a swimming final, for example! |-\ They just
>show us their american heroes and the *strongest* competition,
>and not even that sometimes! And they are *SO* bias, jeallous 
>and sore loosers. Well, these is not football, but I
>have to take it out of my chest! :-) This coverage has
>been worse than the one they did at Seul so far! |-\

I agree.  I used to enjoy the olympic coverage but that must have
been 12 or more years ago.  I guess if you really want to see the
competition instead of talking heads you must now pay for it.  Since 
they are not showing soccer on the triplecast, I refused to pay the
$125.  So far I've watched 15 minutes of the opening ceremonies, 15
minutes of the dream team, and 15 minutes of volleyball.  I'm getting
my soccer coverage from here.  

Sam Estess

My opinions are my own!

estess@mksol.dseg.ti.com
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Opening Scottish Fixtures
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:20:21 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul30.133720.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writ> not have any right to claim more than their given allocation, for any match,
> albeit lower than their own claim on what is and isn't fair.  Ticket
> allocations for cup matches are one thing, as yet, outwith the control of Mr.
> Murray - he's in it fir fitba ma erse - and Rangers I'm afraid will have to
> comply like everyone else.  
> 

I'm glad you realise Mr. M. isn't in it for the football.  That's Walter
Smith's job to make sure there is a championship winning team on the park. 
Mr. M's job is to ensure the general well being of the club, particularly in
making sure that Wattie's cheque book has enough cheques to last a complete
season. 


> I'm off on holiday for a month so if we're gonnae ge tsome more of the same
> Hullo Hullo style arrogance can it be before the weekend. 

Hope it doesn't rain too much........................
> 
> Hoping your season starts disastrously and I return to find T.P.11 leading
> Airdrie in the league, Dumbarton still in the Skol Cup and you and Sandy still
> posting the same old shit on R.S.S. 
> 
> HAIL! HAIL! 
> THE CELTS ARE HERE!!
> 
....and out of the Skol Cup and the UEFA Cup before you get back from holiday.


Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
GLasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Eric Wynalda News
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:10:58 GMT

From Soccer America:

US Striker Eric Wynalda scored his second goal in as many games since joining
FC Saarbruecken of the German Bundesliga.

Wynalda connected in the 25th minute of a preseason game against Swedish First
Division club Hammarby July 8 as Saarbruecken captured a 3-1 victory.  The
23 year old Californian had scored in his debut, a 1-1 tie with SVV Dordrecht 
of Holland.

Andy
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Egypt-Netherlands WC 90 (was: Re: Olympic Soccer--Standings)
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:52:03 GMT

ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>In article <1992Jul30.192413.5736@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>> 
[some of the prevision discussion deleted]
>> 
>> I remember an Egyptian team playing negative, destructive and very
>> defensive. Their match against Ireland was an insult against any
>> spectator. As for the match against Netherlands - I remember a goal
>> scored on a penalty that never was a penalty, not exactly embarassing
>> the opponent.
>
>Geeez, funny how *different* people's memories can be...  I remember
>an Egyptian team that outclassed the Netherlands and would have
>deserved to win the game.
>

Ok, being Dutch and consequently biased, I remember a terrible match, in
which Holland played way below the level of the average second division
team, and consequently being exposed by the fast Egypt counter attacks
every now and then. Oranje scored a goal anyway, and should have kept
the really-not-so-good Egyptian side out easily, but in fact needed an
excellent performance by van Breukelen on some very dangerous counters.
Finally, Egypt got a ridiculous penalty on a "professional" foul by
Koeman at least 10 feet before the penalty box, and duly converted it.
The outcome was justified, but saying that Egypt "made the play" is, IMHO
ridiculous. And their matches against Ireland (especially) and England
were a disgrace. But then, so many matches were, at italia novanta.

Not that this has anything to do with the current U-23 egyptian side in
Barcelona, and I must confess I didn't even see them play. I'm backing
Australia, if anyone cares to know, but they will lose against Sweden.

By the way Shakil, I apologize for being a tiny bit late in posting the
Austrian results, but you will be pleased to know that Austria Wien is
leading the table after two rounds. Next week the first 3 rounds, as
well as a more or less reliable final table of Belarus (hi Pavel!).

All the best, 

Karel

-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Poland - US match
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:49:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bs7IyK.1p0@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> rjromanc@sun1.vlsi.waterloo.edu (Richard Romanczyk) writes:
>
>Did Poland not CRUSH the US because:
>
>(1)	They wanted Italy in the next round ? 
>(2)	They were resting their good players ?
>(3) 	They felt sorry for a loser team like the US ?
>(3)	US woke up all of a sudden ?  
>

Geez, what an arrogant twit.  Poland did not CRUSH the U.S. because
the U.S. has a talented U-23 team.  Were it not for an idiotic coach
leaving 53% of his teams offense on the bench against Italy, it is
likely that Group A would have Poland and the U.S. as qualifiers.
If Poland preferred Italy to be in the next round, crushing the U.S. 
would be -exactly- what they would try to do.  They certainly wouldn't
take it easy on them.  Resting their best players would not be smart
as the U.S. team has a reputation of scoring a lot of goals.  Note that
they scored 6 in the 3 games, even with Snow sitting down against Italy.
The U.S. is hardly a "loser" team.  At any level other than full 
professional, the U.S. football teams are among the best in the world.
Hopefully, the U.S. World Cup squad will pick up a few of the best from
the Olympic team (Snow, Burns, and Dyak for instance,) and surprise the
rest of the world in '94 by advancing past the first round and perhaps
even further.
                           
Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I prefer to spend my time in positive
observations of my own teams, rather than obnoxiously tearing down the
teams of others.

Have a nice day.

-Bob                               Bush/Quayle '92: Just say noe.
 moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com
From: csfraw@kullero.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Olympic Soccer--Standings
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:07:51 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@kullero.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

Critics of the new Fifa rule should watch these games. These rules work and
they make football more interesting.


 Pool A             W   L   T    GF   GA    PTS.   Diff.
 -------------------------------------------------------
 Poland             2   0   0     5    0     4      +5  
 United States      1   1   0     4    3     2      +1
 Italy              1   1   0     2    4     2      -2
 Kuwait             0   2   0     1    5     0      -4

 Friday,July 24
> ITALY 2, UNITED STATES 1
> POLAND 2, KUWAIT 0
>

 Monday, July 27
 UNITED STATES 3   KUWAIT 1   ( A thank you for operation desert storm :-) )
 ITALY 0           POLAND 3   ( The Poles were fantastic. 2 italians sent off
                                in the 2nd half. Poles were leading by two goal
                                


Pool B             W   L   T    GF   GA    PTS.   Diff.
 --------------------------------------------------------
 Spain              2   0   0     6    0     4      +6  (Through to next round)
 Qatar              1   0   1     2    1     3      +1  (very likely)
 Colombia           0   1   1     1    5     1      -4
 Egypt              0   2   0     0    3     0      -3
 

> Friday, July 24
> SPAIN 4, COLOMBIA 0
> QATAR 1, EGYPT 0
>

 Monday, July 27
  COLOMBIA 1  QATAR 1  ( Qatar proving to be a force to reckon with )
  SPAIN    2  EGYPT 0  ( Egypt should pack and leave )


 Pool C             W   L   T    GF   GA    PTS.   Diff.
 --------------------------------------------------------
 Morocco            0   0   1     1    1     1       -
 South Korea        0   0   1     1    1     1       -
 Paraguay           0   0   1     0    0     1       -
 Sweden             0   0   1     0    0     1       -

 Sunday, July 26
 MOROCCO 1, SOUTH KOREA 1
 SWEDEN 0, PARAGUAY 0

 Tuesday, July 28
 SWEDEN VS. MOROCCO
  PARAGUAY VS. SOUTH KOREA



 Pool D             W   L   T    GF   GA    PTS.   Diff.
 --------------------------------------------------------
 Ghana              1   0   0     3    1     2      +2
 Denmark            0   0   1     1    1     1       -
 Mexico             0   0   1     1    1     1       -
 Australia          0   1   0     1    3     0      -2

 Sunday, July 26
 GHANA 3, AUSTRALIA 1
 DENMARK 1, MEXICO 1

 Tuesday, July 28
 GHANA VS. DENMARK
 MEXICO VS. AUSTRALIA




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Francis A-Akoto             | csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi| Who the cap fits let
Department Of Comp. Science | csfraw@kielo.cs.uta.fi| them wear it . 
PL 607                      |                       |
33101 Tampere,Finland       |                       |         - Bob Marley
From: croberts@axion.bt.co.uk (Chris Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Transfers
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:48:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article <682@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
|> In article <0095DFB3.4CDED620@vax.nott.ac.uk> ccziec@vax.nott.ac.uk (Stuart Pearce's left foot) writes:
|> >I can add 
|> >David Lowe Ipswich to Leicester 200,000 (+ 50,000 after so many appearances)
|> 
|> NO! S*dding b*llocks! Mind you, it could have been worse (i.e. Chris Kiwomya
|> to Liverpool). Did this one go to a tribunal?

What's this, an Ipswich bashing session? David Lowe was valued in the
500,000+ bracket prior to his injury last year - so 250,000 seems a
reasonable price now he has recovered but can't get back in the team.

And Chris Kiwomya was the leading scorer for the 2nd Division Champs
last year - not bad for a 21 (*) year old. 

-- 

Chris 

(*) he might now be 22, but what's a year?

=====

Chris lives at : BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH, IP5 7RE, UK
Chris can be e-mailed at : croberts@axion.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Steve Snow and Lothar Osiander
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:51:34 GMT

In article <Bs1yx9.JAF@apollo.hp.com> moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.142526.13806@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
>>If somebody pointed a gun to my head and pulled the trigger, it would be less
>>painful.
>>
>>The Boston Globe announced this morning the real reason Steve Snow did not
>>play in the opening game against Italy.  As we all know Steve has been hurt
>>for sometime know with a bad knee. Steve said that he would be ready to play
>>against Italy.  Lothar chose not to start him and I guess Steve and Lothar
>>got into an argument.  Steve supposedly swore at Lothar.  Lothar has now said
>>that Steve will not play unless he apologizes.  
>>
>>Why do I get the feeling that this is a kindergarten team?
>>
>
>Well, they certainly have a kindergarten coach...
>
>Supposedly, Osiander sat Snow down because he's not that great on defense, and
>Osiander wanted to play a stronger defensive unit.  While in theory that can
>make some sense, you -don't- do that with a player that has scored over -half-
>your goals in Olympic qualifying.  To me, this smacks of Osiander playing "not
>to lose" rather than trying to win the game.  We can see how well it worked.
>In my opinion, if that's what he's doing, he should be sacked.  "Not to lose"
>is -boring- football!  Have at 'em, and let the best team -win-!
>
The San Francisco Examiner quoted Osiander as follows: "It's not
difficult to figure out. It's speed up front. He's [Snow] not the
fastest player and he's not especially good on defense. I HAD NO
CHOICE [my emphasis] but to keep Snow on the bench". SO there you go,
he had no choice but to bench their leading scorer...

Incidentally, the Examiner's report of the game was quite a treat in
itself, made even more amusing by the revelation on this newsgroup
that the US goal was the result of an indirect freekick within the
penalty area, and not a _penalty kick_ as claimed in the report!!
I'm still working on an American to English report translation.

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: SPAIN,ITALY,QATAR,POLAND through
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:41:24 GMT

Hi everybody !!!
(I am new in this newsgroup)

In article <6235@kielouta.fi> csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:
>All the results so far ( 30/7/92) 
> 
 (...) a lot of stuff deleted.
> 
> Wedneday, July 29
>UNITED STATES 2 POLAND  2 ( The "DREAM TEAM"  almost made it ) :-)

Almost made it???? I would say the US were VERY lucky not to
lose this match. I only watched the second half, but Polish
superiority was obvious. They just did not care much to score
more goals...

Cheers.

---------------

Michal~ Szleper
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rcampb@u.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Subject: US Olympic Stamps:  BIG SURPRISE
Organization: UW Information Systems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:10:57 GMT

Well, I was just down the post office to mail a package and get some
stamps and saw the ad for 1992 Olympics stamps.  There are 5 of them and
guess what:

	Soccer is one of them and basketball isn't.

With all the hype and publicity the so-called dream team is getting here
in the US you would have thought a stamp was guaranteed.  Nope.  The 5
stamps are for (in this order on the sheet no less!): Soccer, Gymnastics,
Volleyball, Boxing, and Swimming.  No Basketball, no track, no rowing, no
equestrian, but Soccer is included and is first in the series.  *Now* I'm
really disappointed with NBC and it's triple-cast bullpiss.  The US Postal
Service (as slow an agency as ever at times with much less incentive to
respond to markets than the broadcasters) acknowledges soccer with the
first in a series of Olympics stamps and the description - 

	"The popularity of soccer in the U.S. has grown tremendously in
	recent years, and the improved quality of play has enabled U.S.
	teams to become more competitive than ever before in the world
	soccer arena."

  - and NBC can't manage to catch a clue?  I realize they may not want to
help popularize the sport even more but the do own the exclusive broadcast
rights to the Olympics in the US and one might think they'd take advantage
of that in light of the fact that the US team has qualified for the
tournament.  Oh, well.  BTW the stamp is nice, I'll probably keep one as a
soccer collectible.

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From: nschwarz@neumann.une.edu.au (Norman Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: player eligability?
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:44:34 GMT

Just a quick queery, in the U.K., for a foreigner to be eligable (sp?) to play
in the Football League, and probably the Premier League, You must have played
a full international. Are there any ohther methods to become eligable?

Also, does this apply only to the U.K. or is it a UEFA ruling? 

			'Stormin'