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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Olympic Soccer (was Re: English News: Norway, FA Cup draw)
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:52:15 GMT

In article <18281.9210131143@marr.ecs.soton.ac.uk> T.J.Chown@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
>
>Women's football could be included in the 1996 Olympic Games, according to
>Olympic chief Juan Antonio Samaranch.  The IOC are discussing the idea with
>FIFA for the Atlanta Games.


And about time too!

The latest issue of Soccer International (the US version) that arrived in
my mail-box yesterday has an article regarding the subject.  While I have
yet to read all of it, I understand they (the magazine) are arguing that
Women's football should replace the Men's football at the Olympics.  Men's
football champions would solely be decided by the World Cup.

While I agree with this to a certain extent, I would argue that the Women's
World Cup could similarly decide the matter of who are the Women's football
champions.  The only flaw with my logic, as I can see, is that my argument
implies that there is no need for either Men's or Women's football at
the Olympics.

It seems that since "professionals" are now allowed to play in the Olympics
that the gap between Olympic football and the World Cup will converge at an
alarming rate in the next couple of decades.  The need for Olympic football 
was best when it was solely for the non-paid amateurs.

Return the Olympics to the true amateur.  Then have _both_ Men's and Women's
Olympic football.  Then in synchronous harmony with the World Cup we could
have both amateur and professional championships again.

The only problem I see so far, is that I wonder how many nations could come
up with professional Women's teams.  Perhaps in the next couple of decades.


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From: ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Assimilated/Leeds v. Stuttgart
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:03:51 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <MNEWS.718548548.19237@gate.demon.co.uk> J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:
>
>said how he'd love to be playing. Later on, the commentators said that Donegal
>had won the Ulster Championship. My knowledge of Ireland is a bit limited, but
>isn't Ulster part of N.Ireland, or is it that only part of Ulster is in
>N.Ireland? If the former is the case then what is Pat's qualification to play
>for the Republic?

The latter is the case.  NI is a subset of Ulster.  There are 3 Ulster counties
in the republic, namely Donegal, Cavan, and Monaghan.  But even if the latter
were the case, I believe that he would still be considered eligable by the
FAI to play for the republic because of the claim on the North.  And if not
I'm sure the FAI could find a granny from south of the border!!



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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Quick survey of French results
Date: 8 Oct 1992 12:32:02 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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I can't post the article today. So, here are the results:

FC Girondins-OM 1-0 :-)
OL-PSG 1-1
ASM-St.Etienne 1-0
AJA-Caen 3-2
LHAC-RCS 3-0
metz-TFC 1-1
RCL-Sochaux 0-0
Toulon-VA 1-2
NO-Montpellier 0-0
FCN-Lille 4-0

Cheers,
Kent
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Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 09:41:45 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Croatia Round 8
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Round 8 Croatia
>
Segesta      2-1 Cibalia
Sibenik      Ppd INKER
Zadar        1-1 Pazinka
Belisce      1-4 HASK
Zagreb       4-3 Varteks
Istra        2-1 Rijeka
Radnik VG    1-0 Dubrovnik
Osijek       3-2 Hajduk
>
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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: No More Rule Changes says FIFA
Date: 16 Oct 1992 09:30:13 -0500
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Andy,

Nice post from the heart! But if you are critical of the lack of rule
changes, what specific ones would you like to see in place for WC 94 in the US
to make for a higher scoring competition?

Counting corners, easing offsides, ....?

Best, Chris

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Blackburn & other trends....
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:28:59 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Oct6.132307.5650@gw.wmich.edu>, statlab1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> Once more in the so exciting English Leaque an outsider is ahead.
> Did Blackburn gain promotion to the Premier Division just this year?
> I see a trend here that has been happening frequently in the last
> few years in England; that is, a team which was just promoted dominating
> the first few months of the Premier Division. Leeds last year, Man. Utd
> in 1978(I think), Swansea about 10 years ago. I can't recall any more examples
> but,
> 
>   PLEASE CAN ANY OF THE EXPERTS ON ENGLISH FOOTBALL FIND SOME MORE 
> 
>   EXAMPLES OF "first 2-3 months domination of teams just promoted"
> 
>   IN THE ENGLISH LEAQUE PREMIER DIVISION??
> 
>   Note: The team wouldn't have to end the leaque succesfully.
> 
> N.B. In my opinion this is unique in the world of soccer and makes the 
>      English Leaque very interesting.
>  

I dunno about the English league being very interesting, but there are a 
few Scottish examples.  Dunfermline rose from the 2nd Division to the 
Premier League and did reasonably well during their stay at the top. They
managed to put Rangers out the Scottish Cup one season.......  St Johnstone
rose in successive seasons  from the 2nd to the Premier League and have 
established themselves reasonably well.  They've managed to have a  10000
seater stadium built for nothing although I've heard the car park is crap !
The most recent example is Airdrie who were promoted from the 1st to the 
Premier Division in 1991, went on to retain there Premier position, reach
the Skol Cup semi final, reach the Scottish Cup Final and qualify  for
Europe.  The next example may be a wee team called Celtic (Amatuer Productions
Ltd // Copyright S. Jackson) who have spent many years in the wilderness
and surprised everyone by qualifying for Europe this season and managing to
reach the 2nd round.  Quite an achievement  for one so small and poor.....
WOnder what the future holds for them.

 
-- 
Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde               Now for New York City this weekend...
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA decides to have Leeds - Vfb Stuttgart replay (3rd game)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:41:41 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <1992Oct5.124736.19123@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine) writes:
> waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach) writes:
> : UEFA has decided to have the Champions' Cup tie replayed at a neutral stadium.
> : Leeds are given the lead with their home win counted, so they have a 3-0
> : advantage. The match Vfb Stuttgart won at home doesn't count anymore.
> : 
> : -Dave
> : 
> 
>    Yes, I heard the decision this morning. Pardon my language, but it's
> fucking terrible that UEFA can make this decision. Are Leeds appealing?
> What's the point in making rules if you don't enforce them? Stuttgart
> knew full well what they were doing: they put on a tall centre half to
> combat the ever increasing threat of Chapman or Cantona scoring in the
> last few mins. of the game. Leeds were playing a lot of high balls into
> the Stuttgart box, and the appearance of this 4th foreigner may well
> have saved Stuttgart. Is it one rule for the Germans, and another for
> the rest of us? I hope Leeds stuff Stuttgart.
>  Paul.
> 

You're absolutely right, UEFA should have sticked to the rules.  The rules
say that a team loses automatically by a score of 3-0 or the original
score, if there's at least a three goals' difference.  So according to
the rules, Stuttgart would have lost the game by a score of 4-1 and
would have advanced.  So let me reword your question:  Is it one rule for
the British, and another for the rest of us?  And from a Stuttgart point
of view, you could say (in your language) that it's fucking terrible
that UEFA can make this decision.

BTW:  I think the decision is the best at all.  Guess what I would do,
if I would be manager of a team that wins the first game by a score
difference of 4 goals.  I would always play with more international
players and try not to loose by a score difference of more than 4.  This
would guarantee that my team would advance.  "Breaking" the rule and
not allowing teams to use this as "tactics" for the game was the best
UEFA could do!

-- Veit


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From: zierlh@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Heinrich Zierl)
Subject: Christoph Daum
Originator: zierlh@sunbode18.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:59:11 GMT



Friday evening, 10 p.m.

everybody's happy 

but not our friend Christoph Daum !!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: WC qualifier : Holland-Poland
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:12:24 GMT

Goedemorgen!


Wednesday, October 14th, Rotterdam.

HOLLAND      -      POLAND             2 : 2

van Vossen  '44     Kozminski    '21
van Vossen  '48     Kowalczyk    '27

The match was played under falling rain, which crucially influenced
the image of the game.  Quite a lot chaos, many accidental
situations (including one goal for each team), but also quite a lot
of good football.

In the first few minutes Holland performed strong attacks towards
the Polish goal, but Polish goal keeper Bako was on his place.
Some bit later the Poles began dominating the game.  In minute 21,
after an error of the Dutch goal keeper, Kozminski had no 
difficulties in making 1:0 for Poland.  A few minutes later,
another brillant action was finalized by Kowalczyk.  Poles
were leading 2:0 !  In the last minutes of first half, the Polish
defense made a lot of elementary errors, which ended with scoring
a contact goal by van Vossen in a minute before break.  In the
second half Holland thoroughly outplayed Poland.  Poles looked
already very tired and cared only to destroy most of Dutch attacks.
Both van Basten and Bergkamp had a handful of scoring chances,
but their efficiency was 0.000%.  The only goal in the second
half was scored by van Vossen, after an accidental error by Bako.

Although for a certain time Poland was leading by two goals, the
truth is that the final tie 2:2 was rather lucky for the Poles -
especially taking into account the image of the game in the second
half.

I've heard something that England tied with Norway 1:1.
Geez, that's incredible!!!!  So now the table of group 2 looks
like this:

1. Norway     7-1
2. Poland     3-1
3. England    1-1
4. Holland    1-3
5. Turkey     0-2
6. San Marino 0-4

Cheers.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: Re: Holland - Poland
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:20:41 GMT

In article <1bg9v5INNpbj@agate.berkeley.edu>, 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Oct13.100936.1064@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
|> >Here the expected Dutch lineup for the game against Poland tomorrow   
|> >(= Wednesday) in Rotterdam: 
|> >
|> >Menzo            (G)
|> >R. Koeman        (D)
|> >Rijkaard         (D)
|> >Van Aerle        (D)
|> >Numan            (M)
|> >Jonk             (M)
|> >Wouters          (M)
|> >Winter/Vanenburg (M)
|> >Bergkamp         (A)
|> >Van Basten       (A) * Captain
|> >Van Vossen       (A) 
|> 
|> Even after "n" surgeries and close to 30 years old Ruud Gullit should 
|> not have been ommitted by the Dutch coach, whoever he is. In any gi-
|> ven game Ruud knows how to create spaces and opportunities better than
|> anybody else on this planet. Lucky the national squad able to afford NOT
|> to use a player like him; or, maybe: foolish?
|> 
|> Cheers!
|> 
|> -- 
|> Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
|> Department of Economics

It's not that simple - for personal reasons Gullit refuses to play for
Oranje against Poland. 

timo
From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: an N and an E and a W C, an A and an S and a T L E.
Summary: That's Newcastle United to the uneducated
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:00:19 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.


Newcastle 1 Tranmere 0

Kelly 38

att. 30,137

I can't control myself, I feel a Caps Lock frenzied flurry of
unfounded claims coming on, ah here goes -  NEWCASTLE ARE THE GREATEST
TEAM IN THE UNIVERSE. KEEGAN IS GREATER THAN GOD!!!!!  Sorry about
that guys, guess it happens to best of us. On the continuing story of
success.....
 
I'm afraid I was a victim of Newcastle's success on Saturday. I tried
to get a seat ticket last week, they've sold out already for the home
game against Grimbsy on the 24th October. So I showed up at the ground
as usual. The queues from the Gallowgate end were ENORMOUS. The gates
were closed 1 HOUR before the kick off locking out 7,000 fans, me
included. This prompted the police to declare the whole of the ground
all-ticket for the rest of the season.  I slumped off to the nearest
pub (The Strawberry) and felt a bitter sweet taste in my mouth. If I
could have gotten into the ground, Newcastle would not be doing so
well. Oh well the price of success. I don't begrudge the fans who got
in their enjoyment or accuse them of being fair weather or anything.
Everybody just wants to see the club winning.

So this report is based on the papers and the reports of some of my
mates who did get in. So here goes with a second hand unbiased report.
Tranmere were stuffed. Newcastle were full of skilful professionals
who belong in the Premier League. The presence of Jack Charlton
inspired O'Brian to great things and he and clark dominated the game
from midfield. In the first 25 minutes Peacock had a good shot
blocked, saw one hit the bar and was denied a definite penalty. I saw
the goal, it was a peach. O'Brian played a one two with Quinn down the
right. Made it to the touchline and chipped the ball over the goalie
for Kelly on the back post to head in from 3 yards. It was class.
Apparantly the 'other team' had a shot too but Wright is having such a
good start that the shot form Chris Malkin didn't worry him.

"It's disappointing we didn't win by more," Keegan said after the
game. "Tranmere are a good team but we are a terrific footballing
side. This club could be another Liverpool and dominate for the next
10 to 15 years because it is now being run properly and we have
Premier League players. This side is certainly better than the one I
played in when I was a player here" [I'll second that - CS].

Another highlight of the weekend, Newcastle's next opponents
Sunderland (SPIT) lost 6-0 at West Ham on Sunday. Oh Dear what a
shame.

Regards

Colin Shield
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 09:36:40 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bulgaria round 10
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Round 10 Bulgaria
>
Haskovo    3-0 Yantra
Dobrudja   2-1 Chernomorets
Lok GO     1-1 Slavia
Lok Pl     1-3 Levski
Lok So     2-1 Sliven
Spartak V  1-1 Etar
Beroe      4-0 Pirin
CSKA       3-1 Botev Pl
>
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 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Swiss Cup results, round 3
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:16:21 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Swiss Cup results, round 3 (october 2-4)

Kriens             1-0 Emmenbruecke
Fribourg           7-4 Buempliz (after prolongation)
Winterthur         2-5 FC St.Gallen
Stade Lausanne     1-5 Lausanne Sports
Thun               1-2 Bulle
Tuggen             1-3 Red Star
S/W Zuerich        0-1 Altstetten
Klus/Balsthal      2-2 Wettingen (a.pr.)
Gland              0-4 Fully
Muttenz            1-2 Baden
Oberentfelden      3-4 Mendrisio
Renens             0-3 FC Sion
Rorschach          1-7 Grasshopper Club
Hochdorf           1-2 Buchs
Delemont           0-2 Young Boys
Chenois            7-8 Servette (a.pr.)
Colombier          1-0 Moutier
Domdidier          0-1 Chatel-St.-Denis (a.pr.)
FC Basel           4-0 Old Boys Basel
Locarno            2-0 Grenchen
Luzern             1-0 Chiasso
Bellinzona         0-3 Aarau
Burgdorf           4-3 Lerchenfeld
Echallens          0-1 Urania Geneve
Muensingen         1-4 Xamax Neuchatel
Altstaetten        1-5 Schaffhausen
Arbon              0-3 FC Zuerich
Gunzwil            2-7 Lugano
Mont.Lausanne      1-1 Saviese (a.pr.)
Bad Ragaz          0-4 Gossau
Einsiedeln         1-2 Young Fellows Zuerich
Grand-Lancy        2-0 Montey

No surprise.
NLB club Luzern beats NLA club Chiasso, but this is not surprising since they
are qualified even for the 2nd EC round. Servette (leader in NLA) had a lot
of problems with Chenois (NLB).




The next EC matches of the Swiss teams:
FC Sion    - FC Porto   (!!!!!)
FC Luzern  - Feyenoord Rotterdam (!!!)
AS Roma    - Grasshopper Club (!!!!!!!)

Very interesting matches !!!!


Christoph Nieswand
E-mail : nieswand@elpp1.epfl.ch
From: on@husc8.harvard.edu (Ahmad On)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: World Cup '94 tickets
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:48:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct7.174812.16153
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I'm sure that this question has been asked before but could someone please
tell me where I can get information on obtaining tickets for the '94 World
Cup?  A telephone number or an address would be fine.

Please reply via e-mail if possible.

Thanks in advance,

Ahmad Z. Che On
on@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bootsma@fys.ruu.nl (Timo Bootsma)
Subject: Re: Holland - Poland
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:21:36 GMT

In article <19921014.101156938613.NETNEWS@ALIJKU11>, kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
|> >I hate people who live in Haarlem, and don't support their local soccerteam,
|> >but instead support the team that wins the league (unlike me who used to live
|> Come on. Nobody could possibly think of supporting Haarlem (except the Yeti,
|> but he's not reading this group :-), and apparently nobody does.

Well, here I am, the Yeti!  I might be the only one, but I am and always have
been supporting FC Haarlem!! OK, they have had better times than this 
(at the moment they are kind of pathetic) and
they do not attract many spectators (they never did),
but the good old times of Haarlem playing in the UEFA Cup will return. 
Well, at least I hope so. 

Kom op roodblauwe leeuwen!

timo
 
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From: WMONROE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (WILLIAM MONROE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Africa results
Date: 16 Oct 1992 11:02:43 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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X-Unparseable-Date: 16 OCT 92 10:59:36 CDT

Could someone please send me the Africa results that was posted to the list?
I deleted them by accident.  I have a couple of friends at my university that
wanted to see them.

Thanks in advance,
Bill Monroe

* <WMONROE@USMCP6.BITNET>
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rothenberg's new US pro soccer plans
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:12:29 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 >promotion/relegation...

OK, point well made. The league should be established well before that
takes place (so, too should there be a strong second division to have
teams to promote).

Best, Chris

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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: STUTTGART COCK-UP
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:13:53 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <cjvd6av@Unify.Com> veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:

>So what?  According to the rules it's the referee's responsibility to check
>whether or not players of a team are allowed to play in a game.  If the 
>referee allows Stuttgart to bench four international players, Stuttgart cannot 
>be punished by that.

Bollocks; VfB knew exactly what they were doing.  They deliberately cheated
to reduce the chance of a fifth Leeds goal.  If Leeds had played the last
ten minutes with 12 players, would that be OK, eh???

>The fairest solution for me would be to have one game on neutral ground, and 
>the team that wins the game advances.

Crap.  Cheats should not prosper.  There is now a dangerous precident set
which could mean other teams will do the same, knowing its better to have
a 3rd game than the chance of going out on the night.

Tim