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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:44:58 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Cinema v. Video (Prices etc.)
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From: C444307 <C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
>>From Kerr Avon <lcc@win.icl.co.uk>
>>>From: C444307 <C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
>>>
>>>Saw this one and it was (ho-hum) o.k.  Make sure to check
>>>it out as a matinee, or better yet wait till it comes out
>>>on video.  (No nifty special effects, awesome scenery, or
>>>anything else that requires the BIG SCREEN.)  Lithgow is
>>>very good, everybody else is pretty much like soggy cornflakes.
>>
>>Just a thought:  Surely if a movie is worth seeing at all, it is
>>worth seeing on the big screen.  Just because it doesn't "require"
>>the large screen, that doesn't mean that it will be equally good
>>on the small screen.
>>
>>Personally, I'd rather see any film on the big screen, as it was
>>meant to be seen (and heard).
>>
>>Of course, it's not always possible to see every movie you want to
>>see, and video is a convenient way of catching up.  However, it
>>really doesn't compare.
>
>With the cost of going to the movies today????  Are you serious?

Yes.  From what I've seen on cinema-l, there are plenty of places
for you to go to see films at less than full price.  Video
rentals are also fairly cheap.  Over here (at least, where I am
living at the moment, the prices are fixed (#3.75 which is about
US$6.00, I think, with a small reduction for daytime shows).  Video
rentals are not much cheaper either (typically #2.50-#3.00).

Back home in Glasgow, cinema prices are generally the same, but we
have the Glasgow Film Theatre, which can be a lot cheaper.  Video
rental is much cheaper back home, too.

The point is, I keep reading posts from the US and Canada (mainly)
about how people saw such and such a movie for such and such
a price, which is often a lot less than what I am paying when I
go to the movies.  I can't tell where you are from your address,
and it may be that you're in a similar position to me.  If not,
then, it seems to me, you can see a movie in the cinema relatively
cheaply.

Besides, this is cinema-l, not `wait_for_it_on_video-l'...

			Liam.
			====-

     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   * "Can't we think about this?"
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England* "As much as you like, once
  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, *    we're underway."
lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    *   -- Vila & Avon (Blake's 7)
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:05:00 +0200
From:         MANUEL FERNANDEZ <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      La Tarea

Hi all$ (again)

Carol asked me if I can send a small summary of the film
La Tarea, that, as I said, has been released on video, and I
supposed in theatres in the US and Europe. As I told u it is a
comedy. Well here it goes:
In the movie there were a reunion of two old boy-friends (a boy
and a girl, OK) The girl was a student of communication, and on
that period she was assigned a "homework" that consisted in
makeinga film. Everything takes place around these two characteres
(exuse me, I don't remember their names right now). So the girl
started makeing her movie, of course involving scenes of sex
with her boy-friend. You have to see the movie, of course,
becauseas you know, you can't tell if a movie is good or bad
until u see it. In my case, I think It was very good.
Another thing that is has to be mention, it's that the picture
was made with very little resourses(money).

See ya later

Arex
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:39:00 CDT
From:         Sandra Ballasch <CADSANTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: viewer survey/Lethal Weapon 3

To Kerr Avon (from a rabid Blake's Seven fan, by the way) -

To anyone else:
Skip the rest of this message if you haven't seen the movie and
don't want to know what happens after the credits of Lethal Weapon
3.









After all the credits and a very nice song by Elton John, there
is a voice over about a potential bomb in a building.  The voice
asks if "those guys" are anywhere around and all of a sudden you
see Riggs and Murtaghs(sp?) car racing into view with a blocked
off building.  Riggs (of course) wants to get out and see and as
he is just opening the door the building blows up.  There is then
some dialogue about Roger needing to get his girdle out of storage
again and as the screen blacks for the last time, you hear -both-
men say "I'm too old for this shit!".

I loved it.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:32:34 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Star Trek VI film/video differences
              13 Aug 1992 12:00:07 EDT from yischon liaw
              <IEAH84S%tjuvm.bitnet@TJUVM.TJU.EDU>

From:  Mary Shaffer


Possible spoilers..........







Do you know for a fact that Roddenberry wanted the footage cut out?
After all, there have been Federation traitors before in the original
Star Trek and Next Generation TV shows so that doesn't make sense to me.

A life-long Trek fan ---

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:12:59 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dish on Woody Allen
              18 Aug 1992 13:26:55 +0000 from <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>

OK, in yesterday's paper wire service story, it was reported that Allen
was alarmed over the number of children Mia Farrow keeps adopting (she's
added two more to the family recently).  Today's report also talked about
his involvement with Farrow's 21 year old adopted daughter.  Confidential
sources who supposedly know the couple say Allen and Farrow's relationship
began deteriorating two or three years ago.  Allen's affair with the
daughter started about seven months ago and Mia has barred her from her
home.  Allen claims that the custody suit is a totally separate issue from
his involvement with Farrow's daughter.  Strange stuff.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:07:00 EST
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

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Subject: Re: Philip K. Dick and Harlan Ellison

Does this mean that Harlan Ellison didn't cash the check?
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:43:49 EST
From:         Susan Mower <SMOWER@UVMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      AFTER THE CREDITS ROLL...

I always try to stay through all the credits, just in case something
odd comes up.

The one I remember best was YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES.  Quite a bit
goes on during the actual credits and then there is a small but
very interesting scene after the credits.  When I saw this in the
theatre, I was the only one left so I alone saw it!


Susan Mower   smower@uvmvm
University of Vermont
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:28:00 ZONE
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Alan Rickman quote.

Not to confuse the issue but I can almost see A. R. saying the 'No more
worlds to...' line in Quigley Down Under. I have seen both films but I
can't be sure which one it's from. Rickman plays the same kind of
egotistical villain in QDU also.



Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date: 20 Aug 92 15:14:57 GMT
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Anjani,
I believe the Suzanne Pleshette TV movie you're recalling here was _Flesh
and Blood_.  Her son was a smalltime boxer, if I remember.  It's based on
Pete Hamill's novel of the same title.

Jeff Clark
James Madison Univ.
Media Resources
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:18:04 EDT
From:         Suzanne Rodday <SRODDAY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Woody Allen Filmography?

With all the discussion about Woody Allen, I thought it might be nice to
list Woody's films.  Here are some (dates unknown)

Annie Hall
Manhatten
Purple Rose of Cairo
Hannah and her Sisters

I know there are a bunch more, but I can't think of them.

Suzanne Rodday
srodday@brownvm
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:49:05 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      more on Woody

REPLY TO 08/18/92 10:37 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Dish on Woody Allen

Well, I also heard that Woody is being accused by Mia of sexually
molesting their 7-year-old adopted child.  This is getting wierd (and
ugly).  Jennifer

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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:06:00 EST
From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lynch
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Lauri:

Amen to your comments on Lynch's "Wild At Heart."  I found the depravity and
weirdness of every character, right down to the obese prostitutes, fascinating.
I might be weird for feeling this way, but all during the movie, I kept
thinking of scenes from "The Wizard of Oz," particularly during the flashbacks
of the fire and when Ladd ran amuck with the lipstick.  Did you get these
same impressions?

Adrian
Clemson
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:21:18 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      The Woody Affair
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I can see a film in the works now....

Of course if Woody directs, it will remain 'Untitled' until distribution.  Alan
Dershowitz is Mia Farrow's lawyer, he could be played by Ron Silver and maybe
Silver would get the Oscar nomination he so richly deserved for playing
Dershowitz in _Reversal of Fortune_.

Farrow, of course, will play herself.  The film would also star Julie Kavner,
Tony Roberts, Madonna, Jodie Foster, Jon Cusak, Meryl Streep, Lily Tomlin,
and Dan Quayle among others.....
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:42:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: reply and new movie

David Lynch's new movie is more correctly titled -FIRE WALK WITH ME-. It is
indeed a prequel to the Twin Peaks TV series and is anxiously awaited for by
this cinema-ler!
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:24:26 CDT
From:         "A.J. Wright" <MEDS002@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Philip K. Dick

PKD could not have written a novelization of _Total Recall_, since he died
a long time before TR was a gleam in the Terminator's eye. Dick has been dead
for at least a decade...A.J. Wright/meds002@uabdpo
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:03:00 EDT
From:         DOLANMA@HUGSE2.BITNET
Subject:      Re: reply and new movie

David Lynch's "Twin Peaks: The Movie" is due to be released this fall.
It's a "prequel" to the show.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:52:11 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Cassette literature, taped books

I'll just say that on a recent road trip I found that all major truck
stops have this rental chain setup, so that you can rent a book on tape
in Cleveland, say, and return it in St. Louis.  It's supposed to be
nationwide, all in place.  Apparently when we weren't looking, truck
drivers discovered these as a great way to stay awake cross-country, and
a market is born.

We took a dozen or more of these sets (some are several tapes long) from
our local library on a long trip, and they are THE BEST.  You can get
thrillers, mysteries, Don DeLillo's Libra, all kinds of stuff.  And if
one person wants to sleep while the other person listens, I find it works
better for both than music.  When you start a good long one, you can count
on 300 miles or more of rapt entertainment!  Takes just the right amount
of attention for safe driving, in my opinion.

Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD>
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:16:05 CDT
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Slacker (s) (?)

I haven't seen the film, but I too have a friend
that has gone on about how great it was.  (The conversation
usually comes about as we discuss the dissappointments
in leaving the college scene.) (I have avoided the
problem by staying in school forever and ever and ever
and ever...)

I haven't seen it at any rental places though.

Joe Daus  U of MO-Columbia
c444307@MIZZOU1
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:58:52 PDT
From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RE:Prince of Tides
              18 Aug 1992 09:49:40 -0500 from <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>

There were some truly great moments in Prince of Tides -- for example the
night Tom's mother had to prepare a second dinner for her husband (no
spoilers from me).  I saw the movie on an airplane, captive audience and
editted movie, but I was glad I hadn't paid extra to watch it!  Everyone's
lives so neatly wrapped up, years of estrangements and mental illnesses just
melted away.  I was particularly disgusted with the remarkable recovery Tom's
sister made -- one minute she's the focus of their work and the next she's bare
ly mentioned.
               Joan
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:00:02 EDT
From:         Dennis Downes <DENNISD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Books on Tape

I think one of the best books on tape is The Hitchhikers Guide to the
Galaxy; it was taken from a BBC broadcast. Its great even if you never
read the book.


                     DENNIS
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:32:14 ADT
From:         "Tony Fitzgerald (506) 453-4573" <JAF@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: Banner Pages with LPRSERV
              14 Aug 1992 18:26:00 PDT from <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>

On  Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:26:00 PDT  Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.
BITNET> writes:

> This is why LPSERVE should be changed (at least at the installation's
> option, because it may not work under JES3) to talk to JES2 via
> APPL-APPL SNA NJE.  Then LPSERVE could put anything it wants in the
> NJE headers to control what gets printed on the banner page.

If anyone is desperate and needs this type of function now,  I developed
an LPD/LPR implementation for MVS which works in precisely this fashion.
We have been using it here for about two years now with relatively few
problems.  If anyone is interested, they can drop me a note.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-  J. Anthony Fitzgerald                  Phone:     (506) 453-4573
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 07:25:35 PDT
From:         Don <DTANNER@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NNTP / Port usage problem ?

John,
We are setting up a news feed downstairs on a sparc which I hope will be
ready soon (hades.sjsu.edu).  We should look at getting this VM netnews
reader software and installing it so our VM users can use it.  I think
it can be obtained from PSUVM - I don't know what the other stuff - rcvr
and xmt do, maybe ask Holtzman?
     --  Don
***************
On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:14:02 EDT Michael S. Holtzman said:
>Greetings. I just installed NetNews on VM (NetNews from PSUVM, NNTPRCVR
>from QUCDN, and NNTPXMIT from BLEKUL11 -- thanx one and all).  NNTPRCVR
>and NNTPXMT both run on port 119.  If both reserve port 119 in PROFILE TCPIP
>will it cause problems??  One of these service machines (NNTPXMIT) keeps
>getting FORCEd and then AUTOLOGged by TCP/IP -- sometimes it claims "Fatal
>comm error VMCF rc 5" and sometimes "No passive open on 119".
>
>I could use some helpful hints if you are running this set up.
>
>BTW, I am running FAL 2.2 under VM/SP 6.  Thanx in advance for any clues.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Michael S. Holtzman      St. John's University    HOLTZMAN@SJUVM
>(718) 990-1637           Perboyre Hall, Rm B14    MIKE000@SJUMUSIC
>                         Jamaica, NY 11439
>    NNTP / Port usage problem ?
>
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:23:34 CST
From:         Bill Harvey <HARVEY@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu>
Subject:      Re: Banner Pages with LPRSERV
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On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 00:22:29 EDT, Bill Rubin <rubinm@WATSON.IBM.COM> said:
>Ray Lauff <ray@PICASSO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU> writes:
<...>
>> Our problem lies in the processing of the banner page.
<...>

>                                                 The MVS LPD code has a
>sample user exit to print a banner page in addition to the system
>generated banner page.  It's not currently available for VM.

Can the exit set the MVS jobname field for the SYSOUT?  Or is that
something constant?

Thanks
Bill
>Bill Rubin
>IBM TJ Watson Research
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From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Re: WAIS for VM??
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:48:00 GMT

In article <IBMTCP-L%92082012084001@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>,
"Stephen B. Kutzer" <COTRCSBK@SEA04VM.NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL> writes:

>Does anyone know of a WAIS client or server for VM?

I don't, but...

If you're just looking for a networked search/retrieval service,
you might want to look into Gopher.  I know it's available for VM,
and there is a Gopher-to-WAIS interface, if you find a Gopher server
running on a machine that has one.

Alternatively, if you have some other search engine on your mainframe,
you can cook up an interface via Gopher.  This may not be currently
possible on VM, but I've done some work interfacing a Gopher server
on MVS with a local interface to the old MVS INFO Version 1 data base
product - which makes it act just like a WAIS gateway.


--
Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:11:24 +0200
From:         Hans de Klein <snhkl3@AMSI05.KSLA.NL>
Subject:      DECnet and TCP/IP via 3172 interface

We will be using the IBM 3172 model 3 for both DECnet (using Interlink
software) and TCP/IP (using IBM software).
It seems like it's needed to have a dedicated ethernet interface for
each of the two protocols although they are on the same IBM system.
Does anybody know if it's possible to run both DECnet and TCP/IP over
the same ethernet interface in the 3172?

Hans de Klein
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:24:47 PDT
From:         John Sroka <SROKA@SJSUVM1.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NNTP / Port usage problem ?

I'll look into installing the software, Don.

Incidentally, I believe the DOWHATDO list I set up has Confidential=Service
set, with Service=SJSUVM1,.SJSU.EDU.   This will limit access to the list
to people from those two origins.  If you want to change that, set
Confidential=No and send DOWHATDO LIST to LISTSERV to have the update
take effect.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:19:25 CDT
From:         CC52000 <CC52@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      fal maintainance

What is the prospect of ever getting tcp/ip (5735-fal) maintainance
on a PUT tape?  Is there a list available of all current PTFs/APARs
and their descriptions?

R.Greve
Systems Manager
South Dakota State University
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:56:12 GMT
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From:         Fergal Suipeil <FERGAL@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      LPR on VM to Novell

Hi all,
Here at University College Dublin, we're running FAL v2r2 under VM/HPO 5
and Novell Netware 2.2 and 3.11 on the campus ethernet. We want to use
LPR to print from VM to Novell attached printers. Our main problem is
that users who are unauthorised to use particular print queues (on Netware
by Netware) receive no notification of that under VM. I.E. Their jobs
disappear into a black hole. If they select a non-existant print queue,
however, they DO get an acceptable message.

I realise this is more a Netware problem than a FAL problem but I'm hoping
for a few hints.
One possible way around the problem, would be to shift the queue authorisation
from Netware to VM, but I don't know of any way to prevent people from LPRing
to wherever they like. I also don't want to duplicate the authorisation.

Another source of annoyance is the No ACK after close message from LPR.
On the one hand Netware should presumeably be sending an ACK, but on the other
IBM have obviously anticipated this by including the NOACK option on the LPR
command. Anybody out there know the rationale or backround to this?

                                                 Thanks,  Fergal.