HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: terong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Ferry)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.sport.table-tennis
Date: 3 Oct 1992 10:30:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
Keywords: >I think that having a table tennis newsgroup is a great idea.

I support this newsgroup
--------------------------
terong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
--------------------------
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1aa023INNsq9@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>if the vote really fails you have to wait six months.
>if the vote is spoiled you immediately do a re-vote.

Basically, yes. There's ample precedent by now: the rec.arts.sf-lovers reorg
(Princeton notwithstanding), misc.activism.left-wing...oops...progressive, and
comp.sys.hp48 spring immediately to mind. 

>presumably there are safeguards that help ensure that someone doesn't
>spoil a vote on an unpopular group over and over so that it's perpetually
>up for a vote....

Mainly, the standard Usenet safety valve: massive flaming.

I agree that safeguards are necessary; how about having the revote be done by
an impartial third party? That would prevent the scenario you suggest.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: Re: CFD : Table-Tennis
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:51:34

Yep!

You can count me in too.

I am an active player and international umpire and I would surely
take part in all discussions on this newsgroup. I get the world
ranking list from the international federation so I cuold supply
an uppdate of the world rankings as soon as I get them.

I wuold vote a big YES for a table-tennis newsgroup.

bye
Mosche
 
--
===========================================================
         Mosche Holmberg <> Mans.Holmberg@hut.fi 
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Honesty ain't a crime, it's just a state of mind"
                                                   W. James
===========================================================

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:41:32 GMT

In article <90614@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich
Kulawiec) writes:
|>
|>Your personal inconvience does not constitute a valid reason for splitting
|>a newsgroup which has functioned in its current form for five years.  If
|>you find reading the blues articles annoying (a perfectly legitimate
|>complaint) then you should learn to use the features of your news reader
|>which will allow you to skip most blues-related articles.
|>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>---Rsk

 This is ridiculous. How could one reliably do this! Hey wait a minute,
 I know, maybe we could prepend all jazz-related articles with "JAZZ:",
 and all blues-related articles with "BLUES:". Or better yet! Maybe we
 could just post them to separate groups,... let's say rec.music.jazz and
 rec.music.blues !! Yeah! that's the ticket. 
 And if I have an article that is appropriate for both groups, I could
 cross-post ..... what a concept! And, if I want to keep up to date on
 both blues and jazz, I could subscribe to both groups! Wow, I think
 we're on to something!

 I vote YES, let's split up rec.music.bluenote.

=======================================================================
Chris J. Passier        |splish...splash...splish...splash...splish....
passier@x400gate.bnr.ca |squeak....creak....squeak...creak...squeak....
613.763.8909            |slap slap puff..slap slap puff..slap slap puff
BNR, Ottawa, Canada     |.... aaahhhhhhhhhhh!              Just Tri It!
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:27:24 GMT

In article <5OCT199222580583@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (DICKENJD) writes:
>	A better idea would be to establish a newsgroup for, not only
>the comic/tv intersection, but the comic/motion picture one as well. 

Others have suggested this as well; I think the idea works. Any
suggestions for a revised newsgroup name? It's kind of hard to come
up with something inclusive...

-- 
Jeff Williamson       ** "I'm...too hostile for the crew,
ACNS/Northwestern U.  **  Too hostile for the crew,
Evanston, Illinois    **  So hostile...this just won't do."
blackmagik@nwu.edu    **          --Right Said Worf
From: dseal@armltd.co.uk (David Seal)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:52:13 GMT
Distribution: news
Organization: A.R.M. Ltd, Swaffham Bulbeck, Cambs, UK

In article <1aa023INNsq9@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
writes:

>ok, let's see if i get it.
>
>if the vote really fails you have to wait six months.
>if the vote is spoiled you immediately do a re-vote.
>
>presumably there are safeguards that help ensure that someone doesn't
>spoil a vote on an unpopular group over and over so that it's perpetually
>up for a vote....

Yes, at least as far as past experience with the rec.arts.sf-lovers reorg
and soc.culture.indian.american is concerned. When the vote is invalidated
and it hasn't been purely accidental, the vote has been re-run *with a
different vote-taker*. Since only the vote-taker can invalidate the vote,
this should be an adequate safeguard.

I believe there has also been more interest than usual in having a neutral
vote-taker on the revote, which should deal with the problem of people
conspiring to keep an unpopular group up for a vote. Also, I'm not certain
how people would react if a revote were invalidated: having a second revote
would be breaking new ground and I suspect the consensus would be that if it
was *that* difficult to hold a proper vote, some sort of cooling-off period
was required.

In fact, I believe this revote is setting another minor precedent - i.e.
that it's OK for the original vote-taker to do the revote when the breach
appears to be purely accidental. History in the making :-) :-) :-)

David Seal
dseal@armltd.co.uk

All opinions are mine only...
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jfr@RedBrick.COM ()
Subject: Re: No Numbers! (and no SHORT INTs either!)
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:37:24 GMT

In article <Bv5G1q.M36@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.212943.20133@RedBrick.COM> jfr@glitter.RedBrick.COM () writes:
>
>>Any comments?
>
>Yeah.
>
>grep C $NEWSLIB/newsgroups
 
  Hello there, news.groupers! (or is that news.groupies? :-)

  For all of you curious, indignent or otherwise humor-impaired folks (I
  got NO smileys on ANY of the queries posted to my machine), I can only
  say "I DIDN'T DO IT!"  On the confirmation of our sysadmin here at Red
  Brick, I can tell you that the NO NUMBERS! post was indeed posted as a
  F (followup) to a comp.programming post which apparently went haywire 
  due to a screwed up news poster program and ended up disturbing the
  somnolences of those who patronize this group.

  I have received over 100 e-mails asking me (in various tones of ASCII)
  why I posted this to news.groups.  What truly surprises me is the amount
  of bandwidth wasted in return to castigate me for an obvious error.  

  In summary, I apologize, my mother apologizes, my father apologizes,
  my wife apologizes... nah, my wife would NEVER apologize :-)

  Sayonora (hey, don't write and tell me I spelled it wrong :-)

  Jon Rosen
  jfr@redbrick.com
  -----------------------------------------------------------------
  "Where is the wisdom? Lost in the knowledge.
    Where is the knowledge? Lost in the information." -- T.S. Eliot
  "Where is the information? Lost in the data.
    Where is the data? Lost in the #@$%?!& database." -- Joe Celko
  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Xref: sparky news.groups:18462 rec.music.bluenote:7466
From: exubma@exu.ericsson.se (Bassam Madi)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:17:16 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.


I've always felt that Jazz & Blues belong together. I'm not going
to offer a scientific argument, but the feelings and culture associated
with these artforms are the same ( at least to me).
I really don't think that the trafiic is bad. On the opposite, it is
nice to see more articles posted to this group. 

I hope r.m.b. stays as is.
Bassam

P.S. I think rec.music.bluenote is a very beautiful name.

--
Bassam Madi              |    
Ericsson Network Systems |   How can U soar like an eagle,
exubma@exu.ericsson.se   |   when U are dealing with turkeys??
Ph. (214) 733-4339       |
From: a111@mindlink.bc.ca (Anthony J. Lynn)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.fencing
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:07:55 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Sep29.182440.20641@news.vanderbilt.edu>
> Posted: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:24:4
>
> Org.  : Vanderbilt University
>
> I'd like to see this group, but shouldn't it be rec.sport.fencing?


I'd really like to see this group too.


--
------------------------------------------------------------------
Anthony Lynn - a111@mindlink.bc.ca
Anyone know of a mailing list for fencers?
"Get the car, Krantz," he screamed. "Get the car, get the car!..."
------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: rec.fishing
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:21:11 GMT

In article <BvDwE6.AKK@agora.rain.com>, robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>   What happened to rec.fishing?
|> 
It got RECked.
-- 
Richard Park
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:05:48
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu's message of 26 Sep 92 17:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.174326.7070@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

   I also politely disagree
   with Richard Shapiro about the ties of blues and jazz.

Believe me, your politeness and reasonability are a welcome change.

   I've heard a
   number of big-band recordings upon which a blues progression is clearly
   based, for example.


I suspect this is what underlies most people's feeling that blues and
jazz have a "special relationship".  This point is absolutely correct
and can certainly be extended to a wider range than just big-band. The
question is, does this define a "special relationship", one that
implies a link between the two forms that the Usenet hierarchy should
respect? I think the answer is no, for two reasons:

1. Rock and roll, among other sorts of music, is just as likely to use
blues as a basis. You yourself refer to "a blues/rock & roll
connection" and also mention that "the blues also influences a number
of musical genres including jazz, fusion, R&B, bluegrass, and folk."
Just so. So there's nothing special about the relationship between
blues and any of these related forms. What's special is not these
relationships, but the blues form itself, probably the single most
influential musical form in all of American popular music. This would
seem to me to suggest a group dedicated specifically to blues, not one
which arbitrarily combines blues with one of its relations.


2. For every jazz tune that's built on a blues structure, I can name
one that's built on some so-called standard (an example of a standard
is "Body and Soul"). The same point could be made about ballads, and
quite possibly about tunes borrowed from Broadway, not even to mention
all the jazz that doesn't use *any* previous form as a basis. Charlie
Parker was a fine blues player, but his great breakthrough came with
improvisations built out of songs like "I Got Rhythm", "Cherokee" and
"Honeysuckle Rose", none of which are blues. John Coltrane was most
fond of using "My Favorite Things", which could hardly be further from
blues. 

I think it can be seen that the relationship here isn't in any way
special. Jazz is just one of many forms that uses blues, along with
numerous other elements, as part of its basic vocabulary.


   My personal definition of jazz is any form of music  
   that is "out", no matter if it has rock, blues, or fusion influences
   influences; offering the combination of spontaniety, talent, adventure and      
   inspiration that provokes your individual sense of listening.  

As good as any definition I've heard, and one that does not rely on
any special relationship with the blues or anything else. This is
exactly why I think a split is a good idea. That, and the fact that
the group is already split anyway in everything but name.
From: dseal@armltd.co.uk (David Seal)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:31:18 GMT
Distribution: news
Organization: A.R.M. Ltd, Swaffham Bulbeck, Cambs, UK

In article <1a8cqiINNnq9@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
writes:

>besides, the all-hallowed guidelines say you have to wait 6 mo before a
>revote.

Could we lay this misconception to rest, please? The guidelines say that a
*failed* vote has to wait 6 months. When I last looked, they didn't say
anything about an invalidated vote: however, the recent precedent has been
to hold a revote immediately (e.g. in the rec.arts.sf-lovers reorg and I
believe the soc.culture.indian.american business). If it hasn't done so
already, I suspect it will eventually make its way into the guidelines...

David Seal
dseal@armltd.co.uk

All opinions are mine only...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:24:24 EDT
From: <KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: newgroup

     I would like to propose a new group entitled:

                      alt.boa.marching.bands

     The purpose of this group will be for the ex-participants or

     even current participants to discuss the new happenings on the

     scene of the Marching Bands of America, a national compitition

     for the creme-de-la-creme of high school marching bands.  Many

     of these "High School" bands top those of most colleges, including

     the larger ones.  Most people that were involved are now shunned

     due to the limited contact they have with their hometown band.

     This new group would be muchly appreciated and I, and many

     others, would be extremely thankful.

     Again, Thanks!

                                              Sincerly Yours,

                                                    -Kenneth P. Wilcox
----
Ken Wilcox
kpw104@psuvm
kpw104@psuvm.psu.edu
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 5 Oct 1992 11:33:39 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Oct5.092916.12010@vms.eurokom.ie> mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
writes, in response to my contention:
>> As long as you don't put it in the sci.* category, I don't really care. It
>> isn't science, though.
>Sweeping generalisations and closed minds certainly have no place in science 
>either.

Well, when you can prove that any of the listed "alternative therapies" (I
refuse to call it "alternative medicine", since it isn't medicine) works
according to the scientific method, including such things as randomized
double-blind tests, then you can call them science. I'm open to anything that
can be proven scientifically.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.marching vs rec.arts.marching
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:49:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct5.094922.16084
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>>>As far as I can tell, there is no problem with the length of a name like
In article <Oct03.200948.65994@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>
>Thus, at this time, I understand:   rec.marching.drumcorps
>                                 or rec.arts.drumcorps
>
>         but I don't understand:    rec.arts.marching
>
>Not that I couldn't be convinced.   :)
>                                                          Scott

Phil wrote an excellent RFD that discussed the range of "marching" topics that
would be covered under rec.arts. marching  (or now r.a.m.drumcorps).  He was
careful to limit the discussion to the type of marching carried out by bands
and corps, in contrast to the type of marching done by military units.  By
putting the group name under arts, we clarify that we mean by marching and
focus it on the proper areas - drumcorps and bands and colorguard.  I personally
believe that drumcorps and marching bands have an overwhelming artistic
component to them and thus they would fit nicely under an arts heirachy.

 

-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:13:19 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep28104851@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>This reminds me of the "just say no" campaign: well-intentioned but
>too far from reality to be relevant. Like it or not, a significant
>percentage of the Usenet community doesn't follow your prescription;

I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who doesn't make the miniscule
effort required to read news.announce.newusers in its entirety.
The authors of those articles have spent a lot of time turning them
into what amounts to a "how-to" manual for participation in Usenet;
all the reader has to do is *look at them*.  Surely it is not too
much to ask that those attempting to use a complex and diverse
international communications medium before launching themselves
headlong into it?

I'm (all too well) aware that a significant percentage of the
Usenet community does not read news.announce.newusers.  It's also
true that a significant percentage of the Usenet community doesn't
bother to read the various FAQ's and other informative periodic
postings which have been carefully crafted to provide a wealth of
information to those who take the trivial steps required to read them.
Such people fully deserve the consequences of their (in)actions.

---Rsk
From: c188-bu@po.berkeley.edu (Gregory German)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:01:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Another comment to make.  I didn't include the article I'm referring to
because it's too long and you probably get the gist by now.

Anyways, I don't see the importance of putting "arts" in the name instead
of just rec.marching.drumcorps.  I'm not being sarcastic or anything.  I
just don't see what order will be destroyed by putting the group this
way.  Is it for purposes of finding the group?  I really don't know. . .

Greg.
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.pbangladesh,soc.culture.afghanistan,rec.arts.poems
From: ali@simdiv1.mentorg.com (Ali Haveliwala)
Subject: 3rd RFD: rec.arts.poems.urdu
Originator: ali@simdiv1
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 17:05:33 GMT
Organization: MGC; Beaverton, Oregon
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


CREATION of "REC.ARTS.POEMS.URDU"


	Charter:
	This group will serve the needs of all people within the Indian sub 
	continent as well as to all others, that have an interest in the Urdu 
	language and its rich poetry collections.
	
	Will be a forum of discussion for Urdu ghazals and interpretations.

	Will be a forum to discuss the Urdu Language and its impact on arts 
	within the subcontinent.
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:37:05 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <92275.130714MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>
>With all due respect to these activities, there has been very little (if any)
>discussion about color guards and marching bands in the group.  If fact,
>I don't believe marching bands have been mentioned, and we are well into the
>marching season.  I feel that the reason for this is that marching bands
>are a much more locally-based activity, whereas drum corps is a nationally
>(even internationally) organized activity.  There is just not much to discuss
>with respect to marching band activity in this forum because it is so
>localized.
> 

There was some bands discussion on alt.drumcorps during the first month.
In fact, we had been welcome to bands discussions and were at one point trying
to get people to include DRUMCORPS or BAND in the Subject: line so that alt.
drumcorps could accomadate all marching groups.  
Then, very unfortunately, someone discussing a Texas HS band was flamed and 
got all upset and left the group.  Since then, the band discussion tapered
off to nothing.

I believe there is support for people who wish to discuss bands.  There is a
call for an alt. bands group at this very moment.  There is also noticable
discussion of college bands on rec.sport.football.college.

I prefer having two groups to accomodate all interested parties.  We have
demonstrated good traffic for drumcorps -- thus rec.arts.marching.drumcorps.
Why not also have a rec.arts.marching.bands  (or alternately, rec.arts.marching.
misc)?

>In my opinion, the group should focus on drum corps. My preference for a name
>would be rec.drumcorps.
> 
>If the original goal is letting the discussions in alt.drumcorps reach a
>wider audience by forming a group in the rec. hierarchy, I personally don't
>see why it should be called anything other than *rec.drumcorps*.  For
>discussions about bands or color guards, propose separate groups.
> 

For the sake of consistency with the ReadNews hierachy, we should keep it under
the arts subgroup. 
 
>Mike Hughes
> 
> 
>+ Michael Hughes     Department of Mathematics and Statistics  +
>+                    Miami University     Oxford, OH 45056     +
>+                                                              +
>+                    internet <mhughes@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>  +
>+                    bitnet   <mhughes@miamiu.bitnet>          +


-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!              
Newsgroups: news.groups