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From: bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upset about IBM misinformation.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:26:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
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In article <1993Jan27.212704.23292@fcom.cc.utah.edu> brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:

[exchange deleted]

|Why is it my job to point out Microsoft's problems... there seem to be
|plenty of people that do that in this group already... why add me?
|Also there's a question of who screws up more often.
|Microsoft has basically done a rather competent job with Windows and Windows
|NT.  I don't see Microsoft running around offering watches for leads on
|available shareware.  I don't see them making wild statements about
|their rate of sales.  I don't see them lying about NT ship date slippage.
|Really the only thing I can say bad is that they are not as public
|about bugs in their products (and the availability of fixes) as I would like.

Why is it your job to point out IBM's problems?

Who screw's up more often?  I think the size of the screw has a lot to
do with things.  

o MS has dropped OS/2 and a lot of folks don't like that.  

o MS's support to users is generally less well done than MS's.
(Infinite holds on the phone for instance.) 

o Outright dropping of support for previous releases of a lot of
applications has not endeared MS to a lot of folks.

o Taking 2 years after Windows 3.0 to produce 3.1.

o Calling Windows NT "Windows NT 3.1" instead of 1.0.

o There have been a lot of complaints about MS taking other vendors
ideas and developing those ideas themselves.

Maybe MS has not lied about NT ship date, but I consider their
promises to get NT out in 92 (various dates, not just Dec) to be just
as bad as your description of IBM behavior.

There was a thread in this newgroup that said MS would present NT at
Spring Comdex, but it wouldn't be released until May.  Well NT was
demonstrated at the Fall Comdex, so what's the big deal about Spring
Comdex? 

Now, should we address IBM's shortcomings. By all means.  But a long
list of items, all negative, seems out of place in this newsgroup.
   -- Bruce
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 in other news groups.
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:14:47 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Keywords: OS/2

In article <wiegand.727713047@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
> I have been noticing a fair amount of OS/2 related discussion in non-OS/2
> news groups lately.
> 
> I think this a very positive sign of the growing acceptance of OS/2
> by the user community. The use of OS/2 is spreadind beyond the "power
> users" into the normal computer users.
> 
> It's important that the experienced OS/2 users watch the other computer
> groups to offer help and answer question for new users.

Right! I noticed in the 'soundcards' news group yesterday that there were a
couple of OS/2 threads going......a pleasant discovery.

Steve

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From: strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl)
Subject: Re: Beta-zoid (wuz Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...)
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:19:01 GMT

In <1juk8gINNeml@tamsun.tamu.edu> bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs) writes:

>In article <1993Jan24.134816.12997@ludd.luth.se> bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller) writes:
>|In <strobl.727876597@gmd.de> strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) writes:
>|>The current NT prerelease doesn't require a CD-ROM, either. If you
>|>have ftp access, you'll most probably have temporary access to a
>|>Unix workstation with a CD drive, too. Mount the CD, ftp the contents
>|
>|Eh, what? I do? This isn't meant to be any kind of bashing of anything,
>|but I do wonder about your conclusion. I guess there probably y are
>|a few workstations with CD drives here on the campus, maybe, but I
>|certainly don't know where or how to get to them, if they exist.

>I don't know where I can find a CD-ROM either.  I may be able to
>search one out, but they certainly are not common here.  Even if I
>did have one available, I would have to copy everything to floppy to
>bring it home.  Is there a procedure to load NT from floppy?

I don't know - I don't have the time to format and copy about
40 MBytes (not including the System Development Kit) to floppies.

I did it using a streamer, a few times - I copied the contents
of the installation directory from CD to tape, restored it to
an OS/2 1.3/Lanman 2.0 server and did the install from there,
over the network. The NT installation program copied everything
to the local disk, requested a blank floppy, created a NT boot
floppy, and rebooted into the native NT installation program.

>Another point.  Has MS given permission for anyone to load up NT.  It
>was my impression that the $69 for the CD-ROM was a license to use the
>NT-Beta.  Wouldn't indiscriminant copying violate MS's license?

Sure. But they give detailed instructions how to do the above, in
the small installation booklet which comes with the CD. So I 
presume that ownership of a CD drive as a precondition for
using NT isn't part of the NT license.

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From: rbotimer@max.ct.gmr.com (R Douglas Botimer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 a dead end?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:13:48 GMT

In article <88S502P933A401@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> rwb00@avon.as (Robert W  
Beveridge) writes:
:
:Is OS/2 a dead end ? Well lets see...

NOT!
:
:  o it has fewer users than the Amiga

How many people bought Amiga in the first year?

:  o there are essentialy no native applications for it (I know people are  
claiming
:    a thousand applications exist, but when I walk into CompUSA or Egghead, I
:    don't see any...)

You don't need OS/2 applications to take advantage of OS/2.  I'm not forced to  
buy OS/2 applications until I'm ready.  And plenty of choices on the horizon.   
How long did it take to get native Windows apps from anyone except MicroSoft?

:  o IBM has never had a successful PC software product

If your looking at OS/2 you are looking at a sucessful PC product.  Nor has IBM  
tried, they quickly realized where their talent lies.  Has MS ever had a  
successful multi-tasking operating system (Xenix?, OS/2 1.x?)?  MVS and AIX are  
both doing quite well!

:  o IBM is also committed to another operating system, based on "Pink",
:    that seems to fill the same role as OS/2

You need to read some of IBM's announcements.

:  o the PC industry is undergoing something of a boom, primarily because of  
OS/2s
:    prime competitor, Windows. An awful lot of new and successful software  
products
:    have the words "..for Windows" in their titles.

CP/M was around for quite a while after DOS was introduced.  In fact you can  
still find it. Windows isn't dead or even dying, but OS/2 is real competition.

:  o many of OS/2 strengths, such as good multitasking, appeal more to the  
limited
:    population of technical types - the Mac and Windows environments strength  
is
:    in user-interface details and application availability, which is more
:    important to the "average" PC user - who does word processing of databases
:    and such.
:
Until the less technical types learn the advantages for themselves.  DOS use to  
be for the technical types too (yes I'm old enough to have used DOS 1.x in my  
professional life).  Exposure and familiarity broke down the barriers.

:Sounds to me like a niche product at best, a dead end at worst...
: 
:  
I'll take a piece of the OS/2 niche!

Doug
:    
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Fippen)
Subject: OS/2's gretness will be known in time.
	I hear all the time about people who had problems installing 
	It all boils down to this: if you are willing to accept mediocre
	Thzon that I can see, is that corporate America has chosen OS/2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:14:57 GMT

		John Fippen   fippen@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.misc
From: roland@spock.uucp (David A. Braun)
Subject: Got the BETA PAS-16 Drivers...
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:39:17 GMT

Many MILLIONS of thanks to whoever uploaded the PAS-16 drivers to comp.binaries.os2... I CAN FINALLY USE MY CD-ROM!!!!! YES!!!! GREAT!!!!

Thanks a lot...

<roland>


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From: larry@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Larry Maturo)
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:59:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.071800.24060@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Peter.Mayne@cao.mts.dec.com writes:
>
>In article <GHENNIGA.93Jan20231606@ampere.ampere>, ghenniga@NMSU.Edu writes:
>>However, just to put in a counterpoint to the
>>$69 point, you can get a version of OS/2 comparable to your $69 dollar
>>version of NT for FREE merely by using the command "ftp ftp-os2.NMSU.Edu"
>>and a few "mget" commands!!
>
>The $69 includes a C/C++ compiler and the first release version of Windows NT.
>Comparable offer from IBM?
>
>Complaints about requiring a CD drive may be riposted by complaints about
>requiring the ability to ftp.
>
>I have no idea what phone charges are in the US. Just for fun, how much does
>it cost to ftp OS/2? :-)
>
>>Gary Hennigan
>>---------
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>>New Mexico State University
>>email: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
>
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To be fair, OS/2 is also available on CD-ROM, and for $15.00 instead of $69.00.
I don't know what getting either entitles you to in the future but at this price
I have ordered both.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: OS/2 in other news groups.
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:44:19 GMT
Keywords: OS/2

timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:
>In article <C1B3JF.1Jv@sci.kun.nl> leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
>>
>>
>>I do think btw that professional software companies are more willing
>>to bet on os/2 than on nt and that has everything to do with
>>the fact that os/2 is done (now) bij ibm and nt by "the people who brought
>>us edlin" ;-).
>
>Out of curiosity, what gives you this feeling?  Do you have lots of specific
>examples?  (Mostly I see more professional software companies willing to
>bet on NT (or Win32s) than OS/2).
>
>>IBM as the supporter for os/2 is also reassuring to a lot
>>of companies because it implies (or should imply) good connection
>>with major applications on mini and mainframe computers,
>>don't forget that mines and mainframes are still extremely important
>>in large companies.
>>
>>My 2 cents,
>>
>>Leon Pillich
>
>     - Mike


For one, Oracle is working on OS/2. There are MANY more. 

Let me ask you something, do you recall how Microsoft claimed to have huge
back-up support from developers with their Microsoft Networks? The number
of supporters that Microsoft claimed would greatly support it, swindled.
Where is MS-NET today?

As far as Novell which controls approx. 60% of the market, it seems that
the relationship with Microsoft went from Bad to Worse? What is your
reaction to the latest actions by Novell to remove parts from Access?

I heard all of the big promises before. Not to mention the promise of
a very good testing program with Access. The result was thousands
of complains on Compuserve and other networks. If the testing was so
intensive, why were obvious problems visible.

If they can provide the support, a good and reliable product, I will
recommend it. Unless they can provide that, there is no point in
discussing. 

Best Regards,
Mark K.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.misc
From: pclark@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Clark)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.x on the fly compression packages.
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:34:00 GMT

In article <1jvqtjINN28u@harpo.uccs.edu> jmward@blanca (Joel M. Ward) writes:
>William Siegel (wesiegel@cie.uoregon.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: I am looking for a package that does on-the-fly file compression, 
>: similar to that done by Superstor 2X for the DOS/Windows environment.
>: 
>: Please e-mail me the information.  
>
>	Why doen't you post the information, since that seems like quite a
>useful idea and I'm sure others would want to see it... (like me!)
>
Um, don't they have superstor or stacker for OS/2 yet?  I've heard one
of em is coming out with a version for quite some time now....?



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: cchang@cs.ulowell.edu (Heywood Chang)
Subject: Digiboard for sale...
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:03:47 GMT

Dear networking users,
I have some extra Digiboard PC/8 for sale.  They are in excellent condition,
and I just ask for $400 each with cables.  If interested, please reply.
Heywood 

Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:50:46 -0500 
From: Matthew Edward Patton <mp52+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Installing 1.2.1b

Well I had a friend copy the individual disks from the cdrom to
diskettes, and tried installing.  Everything seemed to have gone OK, but
in the process of configuring my adapter amongst all the settings I had
no clue on some of them.  Hense when I tried to run telnet, mail etc,
the adapter just hung, OS2 was fine though. (OS2 crash protection is
wonderful isn't)

Anyway, upon reading the read.me I realized there are several manuals
that I am lacking. ie installation guide, users guide and another one. 
Where on the CD rom do they reside?  They deffinately weren't on the
installatio diskettes and not installed in the /tcpip/doc directory
either.  Can someone give me a few pointers, or maybe uuencode and mail
them to me?  Thanks very much.

BTW, 1.2.1 looks to be a cool product if only I could set it up and use
it right.
:)

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   who must maintain it.
5. At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer, you will
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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: Re: Where do you get IBM TCP/IP?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:42:14 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

>Anyone have the product #'s for the tcp/ip and Xwindows?  I need these
>to talk to IBM.  Seems #'s are all they understand.

Feed the IBM marketing 'droids on some of these fine numbers:

o  TCP/IP V1.2 BASE          02G6968     $200 [retail]
o              Extended Net? 02G6969     $150
o              NFS           02G6970     $150
o              X11R4 Server  02G6980     $150

o  All four of the above     02G6972     $650

You probably only need the BASE and X11R4 software.  I'm not certain
what the Extended Networking option is -- probably something like the
communications manager/novell/non-tcp/ip-stuff.  Educational pricing
was less that $200 for both packages last time I checked.

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From: lmorris@mdd.comm.mot.com (Larry Morris)
Subject: Re: Connection using NFS and mount.
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:43:30 GMT

>>In <1jnjb1INN8t9@shelley.u.washington.edu> mhuth@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Huth) writes:

>>>Is it possible to use NFS and connect to a network drive using 
>>>program manager?  Whenever I try to do it it tells me "that function 
>>>isn't supported for the network drive".  Surely we can use PM to look at
>>>the network directory, can't we?

OK, this must be an RTFM except I can't find it in TFM.  How do I execute
stuff on an NFS drive.  I created a nice big Pub/OS2 directory on my Sun to
be shared by our OS/2 systems.  It works fine for most things, but if I
try to run an executable from the NFS mount I get an error that the file
xxx.exe could not be found.  It must have found the damn thing to know what
the extension is.  All the attributes look good.  Why won't it run?  

Humble thanks in advance.


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From: aa531@Freenet.carleton.ca (Don Hickey)
Subject: LAN Manager on 3Com Server
Reply-To: aa531@Freenet.carleton.ca (Don Hickey)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:22:10 GMT


We have a 3-Com server running LAN Manager 2.0 fine.  We are now trying to
upgrade Lan Manager to Lan Manager 2.1 from Microsoft.  We have run into
problems doing 3+backups and restores using an 8mm Exabyte tape drive. 
The problems are intermittent but serious enough that we would not be able
to use this equiptment in a production environment.  Does any one reading
this have a trouble free installation of Lan Manager 2.1 for 3com on a
3com server?????????
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From: jolly@mountain.gold.sub.org (Thomas Johler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
Subject: SNA-APPC to /390 Host using parallel sessions
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:10:11 GMT
Organization: Mountain, Bavaria

Has anyone ever tried LU-SSCP Sessions with parallel sessions enabled
on both sides? There is no problem using single-session-only conncetions,
or using parallel LU-LU session PC to PC.

But when connecting to Host using VTAM, I think, version 3.X, connecting
fails after a (positively answered) BIND rq

Any help appreciated,
	Thomas

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking
From: jake@paola.dei.unipd.it (Luca Polo)
Subject: Re: Yet another IBM TCP/IP bug.
Organization: Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:00:17 GMT

In article <GHENNIGA.93Jan22115449@ampere.NMSU.Edu> ghenniga@NMSU.Edu writes:
>
>I think I found another bug in IBMs TCP/IP CSD Level UN32131, or at least a 
>"feature" that no longer works. Before I applied the CSD I would commonly
>increase the size of my OS/2 command window and then "vt100 hostname". If the
>remote was a Sun I could then make use of the extra rows in the window. Now
>it appears that the vt100.exe binary doesn't allow this, it's stuck at 25
>lines/rows. Here's what I did before the CSD:
>
>		1) Open an OS/2 command window.
>		2) [C:\] mode co80,30
>		3) [C:\] vt100 hostname
>		4) (login to remote Sun host)
>		5) hostname[1]% stty rows 30
>
>Normally, if I brought up the editor it would then recognize the additional
>lines in my window, which made editing large code that much easier. This, at
>least for me, no longer functions. Can anyone confirm this?

Sorry :-) I can't confirm: I tried to do the steps listed above, and the result
was correct WITH 'VI': but if you use emacs the 'bug' appear, but it's an
emacs' bug; since emacs doesn't make use of the 'stty rows' feature it needs
that someone create an environment variable LINES (LINES=30; export LINES).
I think this will work.
NOTE: I'm working with TCP/IP 1.2.1 and NO CSD applied.

>	Also I thought I'd try the above with vt220.exe and the same thing
>happened, although I can't be sure if it ever worked before. Also, I
>noticed that vt220.exe now does not pass Ctrl+C through to the remote host.
>When in emacs if I type a Ctrl+C emacs doesn't receive it but instead I get
>the familiar:  
>
>	"External process cancelled by a Ctrl+Break or another process"
>
>even though it doesn't actually kill the vt220 session.

I also tried this, but everything worked fine; maybe this is a CSD problem or
some setting in your window...

Luca Polo.
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