From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: HEY BUDDY HAVE A COLD SHOWER (DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!)
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:07:36 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

  Hey goddamn dude:

  What you would have done if someone had stated (totally unprovoked) about
  your mom's sexual life ? What would you do ? Read the Holy Scriptures ???

  What if, that person (hiding under anonymous name) extended that to your
  wife/ children - who maybe staying with you ? You know what ? You are a
  mother's milksop ! When I was in Canada, I *saw* a family (grad. student
  at McGill U.) break-up because there were obscene mails against his wife
  and the husband could not retaliate in *equal* terms. What gurantee your
  civilized norms give in those situations ?????? 

  I would certainly not object (though remain unhappy) if *sci* was being
  moderated. That, IMHO, would end the pakistani infiltration into SCI. As
  you are unaware, you do not know that there are many Pakis who hate
  (1) Deb Chatterjee (2) Raj Bhatnagar (3) Samit Banerjee (4) Manoj Ghayalod
  (5) Girish Bonde (6) Raja R.Roy (7) and others whom I don't want to name.
  Why, because we always have stood and criticized Pakistani terrorism and
  rise Islamic fundamentalism in India. (You may be an Islamic apologist, but,
  then you will find my arguments unpleasant.)  Sure the arguments can be 
  carried out in a *pleasant* manner. But, if someone is abusive he/ she can't
  get away like that ! (BTW, we found that Bangladeshi Muslims from SCB were
  more reasonable - though we had differences.) The laws in the U.S *do not*
  prohibit someone from expressing opinion like Mustafa or myself do.

  I shall not keep quiet because someone is a moron and is abusing my parents
  who have no connection with all this. YOU AND YOUR CIVILITY GO TO HELL !!!!!
  The reply is TIT FOR TAT. Tomorrow if u' fall in trouble, don't do tadpole
  jumping ! O.K ? We have seen this on the network too ! 

  Moreover, you have asked me and Deepak to stop ! O.K ? Who in the name of
  hot blazes are you ???? (FYI, I *had* shown what Mustafa Ibrahim had posted
  about my mother - to the sys. admin. If you don't know, Mustafa Ibrahim had
  *exercised* his right to Freedom of Expression.) All that is going to happen
  if you complain to his sys. admin. is that he will be rebuked. B'coz if he
  complains to the higher-ups that his Freedom of Expression is getting curbed
  then his sys. admin. is answerable. Nobody wants hassles, mr.tiny-brained !!!
  Therefore, get your facts straight and put it right. 

  The Freedom of Expression works like this: if someone swings a fist before 
  your nose, *without* touching you, then however menacing he might be, he is
  within his rights. If he did touch your nose then his rights end your rights
  begin. (Go talk to any lawyer and take it, buddy !) My hatred and disapproval
  for the KKK does not prohibit them from having organized meetings. In fact,
   GOP will provide protection for them, if the meeting is only a meeting.


In article <1993Jan3.140020.14275@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, 
>dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> 				MEMO
> 				----
                               ^^^^^^ (To hell with your bloody stupid memo).

> 
> 
> TO:	Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
> 	others who post *really* obscene and offensive material
> 
> FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
> 	Indignant and frustrated readers
> 
> REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
> 	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN
> 
    There has been nothing racist. You are fool. Read the U.S laws.
    Moreover, who the hell are you ????? We are *not* the KKK. As I
    said, my mother has been shown in a derogatory way; I shall avenge
    it. You a mud-ass cannot stop me, or for that matter anyone on the
    USENET. Unless I am avenged, I shall not retire. Why don't you go 
    to hell ??? I can tell you how far it is from your bedroom !!!!!
    (I shall retaliate the way Mustafa Ibrahim had done. Yes, it looks
     bad, but, when Mustafa Ibrahim *cannot* be stopped, so am I.)
> 
> After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
> to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
> copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
> action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
> will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
> He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
> be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
> evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)

   Many of the postings have been in line with what we see openly on the 
   street. If we are subject to litigation, then so are they. What do you 
   say to that ? Unfair, huh ? 


  I am aware of such hollow threats. My sys. admin.'s e-mail is given below.
  (My sys. admin. *does not* personally approve of what I replied to Mustafa
   Ibrahim but, he can *only* request to stop me. According to him, what MI
   posted is *perfectly legal* - though not healthy. He used provocative
   language *first*.) The mistake he (MI) made is different - that can lead
  him into trouble plus his supportive friends.

> 
> If any other sci readers out there decide to support this action, then please
> express your opinion.  A suggestion: extract this memo and post it again under
> your own name.  Do please take the effort to type the SUBJECT heading over,
> rather then doing a REPLY.  This way you will convey to the offenders that you
> feel as strongly about this.
> 
> A final note to the persons mentioned above - please take this very seriously.
> It is NOT a joke.
>

  My system administrator: Mr.Richard Kreshenbaum
                           e-mail: richard@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu 


  My another piece of advice: don't be assumptive about what you can do.
  You ain't seen nothin' yet baby !!!!

    - deb chatterjee
   (a good samaritan)