HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:19:48 GMT

In article <1SEP199214365700@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
[some stuff deleted]
>=========================================================================
>Tom, I can not agree with you here. We have our own problem. We should not
>blame somebody else. Just like you would not be justified for your wrong
>doing just because somebody else did something wrong to you. Besides, the
>problem Joyce Dave mentioned has been long in our nation's history. As Lu
>Xun once pointed out, it is the "Min2 Zu2 Lue4 Gen1 Xing4". We would be
                                           ^^^^
>able to change the country without change ourselves first.
>c.q.
>========================================================================

It should be "Lie4". This is a common mistake that even some teachers
who teach Chinese in high schools make. It is so common that I am afraid
it is becoming correct pronunciation.:-)  I am wondering why Lie4 (bad)
can be often incorretly pronounced Lue4. Are there any linguistic
experts/enthusiasts (:-)) who will enlighten me a little bit on this?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: d0jian01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: looking for Chen Yuanzi
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:06:47 GMT









Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: CCP's new leniency.
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.123816.1@max.u.washington.edu> shiping@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>
......
>
>From this piece of CCP's record, I do not think that I still trust CCP.  
>What is your opinion about CCP?

If you are a US citizen or PR, usually you can trust CCP. But if you are
a Chinese citizen, especially living in China, I bet you won't.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (dp)
Subject: Re: Can't get CND-globle news
Organization: RHIC: (Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
	<HIEBELER.92Aug25123927@custard.think.com>
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:12:26

>>>>> In article <HIEBELER.92Aug25123927@custard.think.com>
>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Hiebeler <hiebeler@think.com> writes:

  Dave>   I did not get any CND for many days, then suddenly they all showed
  Dave> up at once.  Now I seem to be not getting them once again.  I assumed
  Dave> it was a mailer upstream from me causing the delays, but maybe the
  Dave> problem is more widespread.

I don't get CND at all nowadays thanks to ange-ftp package. Dong Liu wrote a
small elisp code to read CND directly from ahkcus.org.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:40:19 GMT

In article <3025@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug28.012230.15615@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>|> >successful, most of the time is successful anyway, what's new??
>|> U.S. blew up one $80 million dollar worth satellite yesterday, unreported.
                                                                   by U.S.
media. sorry.
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>So where did you get the information from? CIA? FBI? JFK? RFK? SCC??   :-)
>
>|> 16 month ago, blew up one too.
>
>Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sj@cs.brown.edu (Shuang Ji)
Subject: Who is Shen Tong ? (Re: Shen Tong Was Arrested in China Today)
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:01:01 GMT
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Cease Fire for SCC
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:26:55 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw201



This is a song called <<SCC's Burning>>


(men, very strong)
SCC's burning! SCC's burning!! 
Fire! Fire!!
Pour on water! Pour on water!!

(women, very sharp)
SCC's burning! SCC's burning!! 
Fire! Fire!!
Pour on water! Pour on water!!

(children, very frightened)
SCC's burning! SCC's burning!! 
Fire! Fire!!
Pour on water! Pour on water!!


(simultaneously, repeat three times)

  /      (men) SCC's burning! SCC's burning!! 
 |
<      (women) Fire! Fire!!
 |   
  \ (children) Pour on water! Pour on water!!


(subside gradually, men, women,children sing togather)

SCC's burning. SCC's burning... !?
Fire.. Fire...!?
Pour on water. Pour on water...!?

         
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:41:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.173845.1697@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.141632.3618@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31.061636.29990@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>>>Big difference: the Tibetians have *not* invaded China and have *not* entered
>>>to live in China.  All of the different races who have been assimilated into
>>>Chinese culture have.  The two examples you gave (Manchurians and Mongols) are
>>>perfect examples.
>>>>
>>They did, but they didn't conque China.
>
>Ooops.  Yeah, I now remember about the invasions of the Tibetians.  My point
>is still partially valid, though, since all of their invasions were of the
>"pillaging" types, and they did not make any kind of mass migration into China
>proper.

not quite.  There are invasions, and they do settle down, for example,
look at Sichuan & Qinghai provinces, they all have a lot of mix races
living together, Tibetan, Han, Hui, MOngols, and quite a few smaller
nationalities.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Originator: shchen@c00010-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:54:43 GMT


In article <2A9EDF42.10718@orion.oac.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
|>
|>I agree with Chunde Shi's points.  But if he used other tools, instead of
|>Banana, to prove his points, he may get rid of those attacks.
  ^^^^^^
How about "ugly Asian American losers"?  
I think this is a more appropriate label.


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From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:52:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug26.035207.16668
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <BtK3Eq.FoK@acsu.buffalo.edu> chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:
>lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
>
>>really?  And she's only 19 years old.
>
>What's wrong with that?
>
>>>at least, she again proves to be a female. Sorry to some netters.
>>>I doubt whether that Hongkong guy really felt in love with her or
>>>just for her name.
>>
>>May be she fell in love with his money.  Who knows?  Who cares?  :-)
>>
>>--Ben
>
>And what's wrong with that?
>
>Mr.Lam, you have something very peculiar of the typical so called Chun_Fu
>(village lady): Commenting on other people's privacy with your won not-so-
>decent mind, and after that, followed by "Who knows? Who cares? Hahaha !".
>
>This is not very good.

Lighten up, you jerk!
From: clee@cs.pitt.edu (Chen Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: HELP: English version Chinese food cookbook
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:26:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

My American schoolmates asked me to recommend a good Chinese food
cookbook, I have no idea about that, since I have only a couple of
Chinese version books.  Can anyone recommend one? Thanx.
--
Chen Lee			|  "Do not do to others what you would not
clee@cs.pitt.edu		|   have them do to you".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: ftp adress for Chinese Chess
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:20:09 GMT

Quite by chance I find a ftp-location for the chinese chess. I've installed
it and played with it. It plays quite well and should be underrated by no means.
It runs on a Sun-Sparc and has a friendly user interface. 

%ftp menaik.cs.ualberta.ca
&cd pub
&bin
&get CChess.tar.Z
&quit
%uncompress ...
%tar xvf ...
%cd CChess
%Chess -m

... play ...

Ha, you are defeated by it!

Have fun!
From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: visting Victoria of Australia
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:57:55 GMT

One scholar will be visiting the Victoria state of Australia for:

a. Chinese teaching;
b. English studies;
c. Education observation.

He is particularly interested to know what is the current situation
of Chinese teaching overseas, and what he should be prepared to go
there, and things like that.

If you know the place and things relating to the above, please send 
me a E-mail to the address: XUE@ECS.UMASS.EDU. 

Your suggestions and ideas will be well appreciated.

Zhiming
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What is love in Chinese sense.
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:17:46 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes: 
> 
> I have had answers from people in other cultures. I thought it
> would be an interesting question to many Chinese. So my questions
> are the following:
> 
> (1). When a Chinese man says he loves a woman, what does he really
>      mean?

He loves her reliability.

> (2). When a Chinese woman says she loves a man, what does she mean?

She loves his accountability.

> (3). When Chinese parents say they love their children, what do they
>      mean, what do they do?

They love their creation.  They enjoy their creation.

> (4). When Chinese parents expect love from their children, what do
>      they expect the most.

They expect their children's understanding, and, the most, just 
the sounds of "dad" and "mom" from their children's lips.

> (5). When a Chinese says he loves his country, what does he mean.

He goes bananas when his country is insulted and he takes pride when
his country is a winner.

> (6). When the government says that it loves its people, what does
>      it mean and what does it expect.

It tries to make its people happier, and it expect its people to
understand the problems.

> (7). When a Chinese loves a non-Chinese (including Hongkonger and
>      Taiwanese), what is behind the love.

Same as (1) and (2).

> (8). Is Chinese allowed to love their enemies?

Who does the "allowing"?

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: NGFZH@livid.uib.no
Subject: What about Tibet - a question
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:05:18 EMT

On monday, I got leture "Relations between Tibet and China in the
Twentieth Century: An Historical Review with Reference to the Legal
Status of Tibet" by Elliot Sperling, Dept. of Uralic and Altaic studies,
Indiana University. In his leture, the independences of Tibet and
Mongalia have been agreed by GMT government during 1911-1949.
I am confused and wonder if someone knows this period history. Please
give some comments and reference.
Thanks.
ZH

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Chinese reform (1980 - 1991)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:08:00 GMT

In article <714923644.23762@minster.york.ac.uk>, yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes...
>Chinese reform (1980 - 1991)
> 
>	China GNP		GNP per capita
>1980 	US$81.27 billions	US$82.90
>1991	$356 billions		$307.45
Can anybody give me a figure about the GNP's of US? Let's assume the
GNP per capita is US$6,000. If we expect that Chinese getting this rich,
the national GNP would be US$356 billions * 20 * 6 = US$42,720 Billions,
not to count the consumption and pollution as well as the natural 
resources needed. Oh my God. For that reason, I only want to be half
as rich as American.
c.q. from Massachusetts
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fsbrn12@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Andrew Hsu  (Sverdrup))
Subject: Re: fight over water
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  4 Sep 1992 16:42 EDT  

In article <1992Sep3.140806.4828@midway.uchicago.edu>, xc17@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <715515015.17965@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>>Chinese farmers fight over water right
>>
>>According to Today's British newpaper, farmers of Hubei and Hunan
>                                                   ^^^^^^    ^^^^^^ 
>>fighted for the right of water. As a result, the Red Flag Cannal
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>was blown up. The stormy water destroys houses and farms.
> 
> 
>Thanks for the information, it is sad indeed.  
> 
>But is there a mistake in the report, it cannot be the 'direct result',
>can it?  The cannal is located far north on the border of henan and shanxi,
>or Linxian county, Henan province.

My guess is that the name of the provinces were misspelled in the British
news paper. They have mistaken Hubei and Hunan for Hebei and Henan.
People are known to fight for water in northern China, but rarely in the
south.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Cli
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:32:35 GMT

In article K41@acsu.buffalo.edu, xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>When I was in the first grade, I learnt that the unit does not get
>changed during add and substraction. For example, 
>
>4 pounds - 3 pounds = 1 pound
>
>However, 
>
>4 people - 3 people = 1 person 
>
>This usage is wrong in both grammar and math. 
>

 From what I learned, the plural form of `person' is `people', although there
are other usages of `people'.  The plural `persons' is also used, and these
two plural forms have differently emphasized meanings (I cannot be sure which
should be used in a certain occasion, though).

In terms of plurals, there are many irregular words, e.g. child->children,
datum->data, alumnus->alumni, basis->bases, etc. etc.  Perhaps person->people
is just a little more irregular than others.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? )
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:35:22 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug25.180443.14623@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>
>If two people were killed, then you say "two people survived
>instead of one".  :-)  You see, you omit "people" if there is
>only one.  :-)

"one people survived instead of two" sounds ok, but "one survived instead
of two people" would be strange :)

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:13:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.053713.10429@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:
>i think I know what you are alluding to here.  A few Chinese people sent
>me some e-mail saying that the Chinese are too humane.  They then went on
>to say, half seriously, that there would be fewer problems in Tibet today
>if they had simply gone ahead and killed all the Tibetans.
>
Who dare to say "killed all the Tibetans"? Please give their names to
us.
Whether the Han people are more humane to chinese minorities needed to
find out by comparing the treatment of American Indians in the US.
At least, monorities used to be the noble class untill they were
defeated by the Europeans. Can the whites let the indians to be
the ruler for next hundred years? Come on!!! Just hundred years!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Subject: Re: Questions about "Shen Tong (grabbed)"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:42:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.130058.23723@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
|> 
|> 	I am confused; if he is protected why is he arrested?
|> 	Sure, some organizations will put pressure on CCP to
|> 	release him; but putting yourself in his position, there
|> 	are still great uncerntainties and how many people will
|> 	take that risk? At least not me.


Haha, I am really confused by you guys.  I am wondering whether you guys
really know it or not, or simply pretend to be stupid(zhuang1 hu2 tu).

You mean this ST guy is not "protected"?  Then what's the hell US congress men
or many other "foreign devils" shouted loudly after his detention and
even went to Beijing directly try to interfer China's legal system?
Give me a break.

Is he is not "protect", who is the hell sponsor him to go there? 
May that be the so-call D fundation with a American director to direct 
China's democractic future? :)

Fortunately,  this is not in those old days, US navy soilders can rape Chinese
student and NOT guilty!  

ST is detained and I wish he could get the thing he deserves.
From: I990002@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (T. Bao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: BNN News
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:25:31 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


BNN(Business Network News) News (3 Sep 92 19:15 EDT) :

A young man was arrested for taking some stuff from Kmart without payment
earlier this week.

A group of people who also had some misconducts in Kmart before gathered
together and protested to the police that they had violated the human rights
of the young man because he didn't resort violence. He didn't even carried
a knife with him. He was a nonviolence advocate.

The police said that the young man had violated the law of Kmart so they had
the obligation to punish the young man to protect the right of Kmart.

The group of people yelled at police: 'when in hell was the law passed?
We didn't vote for the law. Why should we obey the law? It's not fair!
And he is not an employee of Kmart. You have no reason to force him to
obey the stupid law even if it really exists.'

The police put him in jail with no mercy. The group of people were outraged
and held a rally in front the police station. 'No Repression', 'No Torture',
'Human Rights' and 'Release YM Immediately' were seen on the posts. They
also sent some representatives to lobby the Congress.

The story about the young man were carried as the headline news in the media.
One of the major newspapers published the young man's article written right
before his adventure in the Kmart. He was quoted as saying that the Kmart's
management was based on non-humane xxxism created by an Old Man and Kmart
should change its management system so that people can get free stuff from
it.

A small tabloid revealed that the whole event was a setup by some Kmart
oponent (Walmart?) but very few people were convinced about that. It
also said that this oponent had long targeted Kmart and wanted to destroy
it.

Some innocent people who were confused by the various news sources showed
great concern about the event. They don't really like Kmart and complained
about it now and then. They hope it will lower prices and offer better
services. Unfortunately, they don't have access to the media to express
their opinion even though they live in a free country. However, they do have
a place to talk to their folks via something called email.

People on the net were getting emotional after they started arguing about
the motivation of the young man. Conspiracy or not doesn't matter as long
as he wanted a better Kmart and it's his rights to do so, some argued.
Others thought that he was used by Walmart and it's not ethic according to
the established business codes. The debate is still going on.

How Kmart will respond to the challenge is not certain. It was reportedly
said that Kmart would put it in low profile so that its business can survive
of Walmart's agressive competition. The CEO of Kmart privately admitted
that Kmart really couldn't afford another war with Walmart.

The young man is still in custody at the moment of the dispatch of this report.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:43:00 GMT

In article <4401273Sep2@Red.Heaven.Com>, MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com writes...
> 
>Young Chinese comrades on Earth:
> 
>1.- Comrade Liu@NJIT confirms "INTERNET is not a secure network".
> 
>You're absolutely correct.
> 
>2.- Comrade Me Mann@UDenver keeps boastfully saying "it is not
> impossible to trace down" and "it is easy to trace" the oringinator
> of faked messages.
> 
>You really want to have a job with our People's Friendly Police
>Department?  Then why don't you try to trace this Mao?  If you
>find my real identity, then post to SCC.  Otherwise, shut up.
>I assure that you would only catch a ghost sender!!!!
> 
>Mao
=======================================================================

Hello, young fellow.

There is a lot of people believe that anonymous posting is possible and 
a lot do not. I could not see the point here and do not care.
I personaly would not post anything anonymous and I do not oppose
anybody post anything anonymous.

What I intent to say is that please do not use Mao's name to make joke.
I do not care what do you think about him. I do have my respect to
him and I believe that alot of other people on the net may also do.
So, please respect our rights.

Regards.

c.q.
From: CHEN@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Xiang Youqin from HUST
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:56:55 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

Please response as soon as possible if you can read this note.
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