From: jca@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: CA gun laws -- in cars (waS Re: Travelling help)
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:30:23 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
#In article <1992Aug19.022135.16461@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
## In article <1992Aug16.024831.18320@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> jalden@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joshua M. Alden) writes:
#[...] 
## California, for one.  Make sure they're unloaded and in locked containers.
## Do not carry guns or ammunition in the glove compartment or human occupied
## part of the vehicle.  Trunk of the car may be enough for long guns, but
## it's iffy.  Hand guns should be in a locked box in the trunk.  Remember
## that loaded magazine == loaded gun (in fact, live ammunition touching any
## part of a gun, including the magazine, is legally the same as a loaded
## gun).  Ammunition should be in separate locked containers.
#[...]
#
#What if the vehicle you're driving does not have a trunk?  
#(IE: a minivan or an S-15 Jimmy.)  

Put it in a locked case.

#Would a combination or key locked brief-case suffice for being 
#locked?

Yes.

#Also, what about having handguns (yes, of course I meant plural!)
#in a hotel/motel room?

Hotel/motel rooms are generally treated as your place of residence.  But
don't quote me on that.  That's the general rule of thumb.  You
technically (unless CA law prohibits that) carry a loaded firearm openly
or concealed in a hotel/motel room since it is your temporary place of
residence.

#If I remember right, we'd better keep 'em in cases between the
#car and the room (???).

Keep it in a locked case the moment you hit the CA state line until you
get inside of your hotel/motel room.

#Finally, being only vaguely familiar with the geography of LA, 
#are there any areas close to Disney Land which would warrant
#having the gun unlocked (read: accessible but out of sight)
# anyway? (Should you accidently wind up there -- we'll be driving 
#in from AZ, and trying to avoid *any* off freeway travel except 
#Harbor Blvd right near D.L.)  [I'm not asking for legal advice 
#or recommendations -- just what you'd do yourself -- obviously,
#I assume liability for my own actions.]

None.  Only places you can carry legally in CA are your place of
business or residence.

Since I don't know the exact route you're taking, I can't give you any
personal advice.  If I was going into the heart of LA (downtown LA or LA
County), I would have my .357 in condition four with a half a dozen
speedloaders ready within easy access.  ;)

I personally just have my .357 revolver in a locked case within easy
access with two speedloaders ready.  I'm complying with CA law and I
know exactly which key on my keyring will open up the padlock on both of
my gun cases (both locks are keyed alike).

Keep your gun in condition four.  In a locked case with a speedloader
ready in your pocket or close by out of sight if you are pulled over.

A revolver is the ONLY firearm to carry in condition four in CA.  If
you're caught with a loaded magazine in Orange, Ventura, Riverside or
LA County; YOU WILL be booked, charged and get the 90 days in the county
jail.  This was personal advice and insight from a relative who currently 
works with LAPD and no, he does not agree with the CA firearm laws at all.
--

     // JCA

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