HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Help with Shepherds
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:44:33 GMT

Re: "training" "conditioning" "character development" "EBD [?]"
"Koheler" "behaviorial training" "absolute obedience"...

I don't know why it is, but everytime this topic comes up, I
inevitably lose it after several articles, although to the best of my
knowledge the articles are still in English...

Oh well...

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Story for someone who wants to say "OH NO!!!!!"
Keywords: uh oh
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:09:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov10.112626.10101@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA) writes:
>	This is a true story.. and the owner of the puppies concerned
>	has not *yet* turned them into Golden Retriever-skin floor rugs

great chewing story deleted.

>	Anyone else got puppy-chewing horror stories I can console him
>	with????
>
Well, these aren't all mine, but you can pass them along.
These are all Great Pyrenees, BTW.

Ranger at the sofa when he was 6 months old, cushions and all.
Bonnie got the plate of brownies off the top of the refrigerator and
had a feast.
Jeep-Jeep pulled all the side shingles off the house as far up as she
could reach over 2 hours.
Ranger broke out of his kennel and broke into the barn when Gracie was
in heat.  It was a nice litter.
Wally pulled the aluminum siding off the side of my breeder's house one
afternoon.
Siegfried was left in the car one night for an hour during which a heavy
wind storm came up.  In his nervousness he chewed up every piece of paper
in the car (maps, envelopes, books, music scores.)   Nice of him to not
eat the upholstery, but he's a smart boy.
Nina managed to get a plastic zip-lock bag of garlic dog biscuits open without
harming it and to help herself to 2 before she was caught.
Nina and M'Lady had a nice Thanksgiving turkey feast after dinner a couple
of years ago.  The carcas was on the table, and Fran became suspicious when
she didn't see or hear the two of them.  They were both in the dining room with
front paws on the table and faces in the carcas.

Oh, and a Great Dane story.
After baking bread a couple of years ago, Diesel walked up to the counter
and helped herself to a loaf.

So, do you feel better now?

Margaret
From: luanne@Pt.hq.af.mil (LuAnne Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Abuse
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:28:44 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

I just read an article in the Washington Post about a man who slammed
his puppy into the ground until it died.  There were plenty of witnesses.
He went to court but the judge let him off without a fine or jailtime. 
The judge said the jails were too overcrowded and the man had "suffered"
enough as he had to spend one night in jail.  The maximum fine for this
offense is $1000.  The judge said there were too many other heinous crimes
going on to worry about animal abuse.

I agree that compared to murder, rape, child abuse, etc. this dog abuse
seems minor.  But I feel the way people treat animals (and the environment)
is a direct reflection on society in general.  And animal abuser's such
as this man should be delt with harshly.


My question is this, what can 
people who acknowledge animals have certain rights that must be respected do
to make people like this judge impose fines and penalties?

Are circuit court judges voted into office?  Should we all start writing
letters to the editors of major newspapers?  Write our congressman?

I feel so angry when I read news accounts of animal abuse but feel 
helpless in knowing what effective actions to take.          

LuAnn
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Rescue Group List
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs 
Summary: Rescue group list compiling
Keywords: rescue dog list
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:27:54 GMT


Okay, Okay, Okay,

	It seems that in a rather short time, I have gotten a very positive
response to my idea that I compile a list of known dog rescue organizations.
Therefore, I am replacing my request for an opinion for a request for
information.  I need it all.  I need any information about dog rescue
groups you have laying around, on paper, on computer or whatever.  I
want to be as complete as I can so I don't particularly want to rush out
a copy of a list until I get a lot of information.  So, I will give you
all my email and snail mail address and you can send me what you have.  I
am assuming that if I get ahold of the local and national AKC organizations
that I may get more information.  Any leads in that regard are also welcome.

Many of you have asked what I was talking about with the gopher reference.
If you don't have access to a gopher program, don't worry.  My sysadmin 
wants to use this list as an excerise in setting up a gopher server for
himself so if you do have gopher then eventually it will be available in
that format (similar to archie I believe but I've never used archie).  I
am guessing that someone else out there can explain gopher better than I
can so I won't try.  I will make the list available to the net as an FAQ,
the most requested format, and it will most likely be archived as are the
other 10 FAQ's for this group.  

Thank all of you for your eager and quick response and I hope your information
gathering is as feverish.  I will do the best I can to get all the information
and I will date the information in the list as it is updated.

Mike

email: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu
snail: Mike Buening
       830 S. 35th St.
       South Bend, IN
       46615
-- 
| Michael Buening	    We are not inheriting the earth from our |
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu  parents, we are borrowing it from our    |
|		 	    children" -- Saw it on a shirt, author   |
|					 unknown		     |
From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: TATOOING DOGS
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:53:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: physio10.kathy_buetow-121192155125
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <27430@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy
Bortnick) wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone had their dog tatooed.  I was wondering whether it is painful
> and how long does it take.

It is not painful to the dog.....as most people tattoo on the belly or
inner thigh
(ears can be removed if a "thief" is so inclined), the dog struggles for
two
reasons:  1)  It tickles  2)  The dog is being held upside down with it's
legs
spread (wouldn't you struggle too ?).  
It only takes a matter of minutes for an experienced tattooer. 
Have it done...it's worth the time and money for the peace of mind !!!

> 
> Wendy
> 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)

Kathy
-----------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: U30993@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Stopping greyhound track
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:12:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92316.221204U30993
 <1992Nov10.123409.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Check out LIFE magazine. In the past year they have had articles
on Greyhound Racing and Puppy Mills.  both are quite graphic,
so be prepared. The Greyhound one may be two years old.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:46:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.222442.12744@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Joseph Weinstein writes:
>> seems to be a rough consensus among those whose job or avocation
>> is the reliable production of working dogs, that the most important
>> predictor of success is breeding for the correct temperament.
>
>It's not hard to find folks who hold this opinion.  There are any
>number of anecdotal accounts and uncontrolled comparisons that support
>it.  The relevant science does not support it.
>

As I believe you've often asked of others, please post references to
the "relevant science" that does not support this.  Thanks.

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: To:  todd%refrig@mathcs.emory.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:01:22 GMT
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu


Todd - I have been trying to reply to thank you for your note about the  
coyotes south of Atlanta, but my message keeps getting bounced back.

I was happy to get the info but of course disappointed. I think it is  
getting so there is no escape from them. 

----------------------------------------------------------
Robin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:05:02 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Deaf-Dalmation needs home!
Comment-To: Marla_Belzowski_(K-9's@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  The deafness in Dalmations is not the same as deafness in humans.
Deaf humans for the most part have ear problems alone.  Deaf
Dalmations have a nerve condition that is degenerative.  It start out
with simple deafness, progressing into brain degeneration.  This dog's
brain is already fried.
  It is totally irresponsible to be talking about placing this
pathetic thing in a family home.  SIX families already.  How many
people does this represent who opened their homes and hearts to a dog
that they were led to believe was adoptable?
  I understand that at least Some of the people envolved felt the dog
could adjust if only it had the right situation.  It was just that
their Best efforts were never enough.  Stop this now.  Put that
pitiable animal out of it's misery, and stop running good people in
circles.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sparkle@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Shitzu Info Needed
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:32:05 GMT

In article <3NOV199208553562@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu> broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy) writes:
>I unexpectedly acquired a Shitzu puppy over the weekend. She's an adorable rag
>mop that must be relatively intelligent because she's already hitting the 
>piddle papers 75% of the time. I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the breed except
>that this puppy is really sweet natured and smart enough to stay out from 
>under foot. Her coat seems more like human hair. Do they shed? Unfortunately,
>she has the worst case of fleas I've ever seen and got her first flea bath
>immediately. Any recommendations on flea products for a Shitzu? Is their skin
>especially sensitive? How much should I expect her to be able to learn? Are
>they smart like poodles? Any health problems I should watch out for?
>
>Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242

I am owned by TWO of these wonderful rag mops.  Sparkle is 10 and
Angel has just attained the advanced age of one year.  Both are sweet
natured and both are smart, but Angel is definitely misnamed.  What
a scamp!

Shih Tzu do not shed, but clumps of fur appear on the rug and
furniture (I told you that THEY own ME) from time to time.  I have
very little experience with fleas and cannot help you there.

My girls are perfect pets.  They do not demand much of anything
except love.  They are paper-trained so that I can keep them in in snow
and other bad weather spells.  (When you have to remove ice balls
from the paws, etc., you will know why that delights me.)  Yet they
love to go out and run in the yard.

Sparkle only eats until she's full.  Angel eats until the food is gone.
Sparkle has never had a tendency to get into trouble.  Angel can't stay
out of it.  Sparkle is self-possessed.  Angel eats furniture and shoe
laces, as well as Sparkle's fur.  

Shih Tzu are merry and funloving and affectionate.  Enjoy!

Pat

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Doberman needs home
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:18:00 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

A friend of mine has a 2 year old Doberman that needs a home.  He is a mostly
indoor dog, not destructive.  He has a little obedience training.  All his shots
are up to date but he would need a heartworm check (he is not currently on hw
pills).  The reason he needs a home is basically because my friend is a poor
student that doesn't have the time, money or room to take care of him (yes, I
know, he shouldn't have gotten him in the first place!).  We're trying to find
him a home through my obedience club and the vet clinics but I thought I'ld try
this too.  Thanks!
............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: cats
From: onda@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:52:21 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College



		i am bored
		i hate dogs and i love cats
		'nuff said

		jason
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog run problem
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:37:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Nov12.183706.26498
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <8275.83.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)  writes:
= MS>especially with Christmas comming up, and 15 people to buy gifts
= MS>for(man I wish we'd draw names or something:^). Well, any
= MS>suggestions from the net? Any advice would be greatfull.
= 
= Try a water gun, a SuperSoaker works great as you can spray from a
= distance. I have used a water gun to train my dogs against all sorts bad
= habits, jumping on the windows, digging, barking etc...At one time I

Not as neat a Christmas gift but a bit cheaper if buying for
yourself, try a simple squirt bottle such as those used for mustard
and ketchup in restaurants (that probably tells you the kind of
restaurants I can afford, eh?  :)  I think they also sell them to
squirt some kind of goop on your hair...


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: Lyme Disease shots
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:48:48 GMT

Our vet does a blood test to check for Lymes and
now gives the yearly boosters since they are FINALLY
legal in NJ.  He does both at the same time.  Unlike
something like heartwork, the booster doesn't hurt
the dog if it does have a Lyme exposure in it's blood.
If there is an exposure they get a three week treatment
of Amoxacylin or Tetracycline (however you spell them.)

I'm up on this cause Arnie's test was positive and he
is presently on Amoxacylin.

70% of dogs exposed to Lyme's disease (i.e. it does
show up in the blood test) never show clinical signs
of the disease and it does them no harm.

Of the 30% who do show clinical signs, the first being
lamness off and on in the rear legs, 95% will be cleared
up with the treatment.

AKC Gazette did an article on Lyme's last month and in
the article the numbers were a bit different than my
vet's.  They said 90% of exposed dogs do not show signs,
and also recommend if the dog is not showing clincal
signs that there is no reason for treatment.

It's not a very well known disease and best thing to do
is trust your vet on this one if you trust them for other
things.  There is a HIGH concentration of Lyme's in the
area I live in and now that the vaccine is available, I
will keep the dogs on it.

Good Luck!

Ellen


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: adr@troy.cc.bellcore.com (roselli,alicia r)
Subject: Re: Deaf-Dalmation needs home!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:14:25 GMT

In article <9211110641.AA2025@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  The deafness in Dalmations is not the same as deafness in humans.
>Deaf humans for the most part have ear problems alone.  Deaf
>Dalmations have a nerve condition that is degenerative.  It start out
>with simple deafness, progressing into brain degeneration.  This dog's
>brain is already fried.
>  It is totally irresponsible to be talking about placing this
>pathetic thing in a family home.  SIX families already.  How many
>people does this represent who opened their homes and hearts to a dog
>that they were led to believe was adoptable?
>  I understand that at least Some of the people envolved felt the dog
>could adjust if only it had the right situation.  It was just that
>their Best efforts were never enough.  Stop this now.  Put that
>pitiable animal out of it's misery, and stop running good people in
>circles.
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'd have a hard time taking such
harsh advice from someone who can't even spell DalmatiAn...
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: What human foods should dogs not eat (besides chocolate)?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 18:41:59 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

I think I read that raw egg whites (or is it yolks?) are bad for dogs. They
draw all of the biotin from the dog's system, or some such badness. Just cook
the eggs first.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: SECURITY GATES
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:57:21 GMT
Reply-To: 275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Hi everyone,

I have read some Posts on using two security gates to hold dogs in kitchens,
etc.  One suggestion I haven't heard anyone mention is what we did:
 we bought a piece of smooth paneling and nailed it to the gate.  The
dogcan't climb on it and you can probably cut a second piece and nail
it to the first piece to add more height.  Of course you can't fold
up the gate once you do this, but that's the least of the problems right?
At least you won't have to worry about the dog collapsing the first gate
when people are nailing two gates on top of each other.  The paneling
is much lighter in weight.

Wendy
275s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Wendy Bortnick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Breeding is most important for top working dogs...
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:09:33 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29120]: diana

>> seems to be a rough consensus among those whose job or avocation
>> is the reliable production of working dogs, that the most important
>> predictor of success is breeding for the correct temperament.
>
>It's not hard to find folks who hold this opinion.  There are any
>number of anecdotal accounts and uncontrolled comparisons that support
>it.  The relevant science does not support it.
>

Lets clear up somthing about your opinions here. 

Do you beleive that a Golden has as good a chance as a Shepherd of
getting a Sch III (highest level of protection degree in one system) 
and that a Chessie has as good a chance as a Golden of of scoring in
the high 90s in a regional obedience trial?

Or do you not beleive that the different breeds were created by
breeding?

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
From: mischler@jolt.cubic.com (Dave Mischler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Help: Puppy "plays" with her food
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:28:46 GMT
Organization: /usr/mischler/.organization

In article <1992Nov3.212407.18797@meaddata.com> michelle@meaddata.com (Michelle Buck) writes:

> We recently adopted a puppy from the local animal shelter.  She is 8 weeks
> old now (we've had her for about 2 1/2 weeks) and is a Weimariner(sp?)/
> probably some kind of hound dog mix (yup, she's a mutt!)  I've noticed that
> she likes to "play" with her food and I wondered if anyone could tell me why
> she does this and how I could get her to stop.  When I put her dish of food
> down on to feed her, the first thing she does is "pounce" on it, bat it
> around, and eventually tip the bowl over so the food spills on the floor.

One of our dogs liked to spill her food on the floor and eat it from
there as a pup.  After about a week of this (it drove me CRAZY) I got
the vacuum cleaner out before I fed her and immediately vacuumed up
whatever she spilled (it was a canister so I was only bringing the
hose close to her).  After about three meals she never purposely
spilled her food again.  She doesn't really trust the vacuum, though.
I got the impression that she felt "Mr. Vacuum" was eating what she
spilled, not that I was taking it away, but I guess I'll never be
sure.

Dave Mischler
mischler@cubic.com
From: szeff@informix.com (Sharon Zeff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Kennels on the Pennisula
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:44:23 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: szeff@woof

Hi,  I was wondering if anyone knew of quality kennels, preferrably
on the pennisula, but I would be will to going further if there is
nothing decent around here.  I live in Foster City, so the closer
I can get to that the better it will be.  Also, what is the price
per day of a kennel and if you don't know good kennels, let me know
about kennels to avoid.  If you could e-mail me back that would be
the best.  

Thanks,

Sharon
szeff@informix.com