From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Subject: Re: Only one in ten "Sipas" called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:56:25 GMT


In article <948@hawkeye.hawkeye.com> mps@hawkeye.hawkeye.com (Michael Snyder) writes:

>Well, this stuff is now spilling all over from the ethnic pick-and harass
>groups that everyone is bitching about.  What relevance does non-swimming
>Greek sailors have to do with administering news systems?

Here we have selective reading. And the old and tired argument you trot 
out is just that, old and tired. Besides, in the proper context of events, 
this is intellectually and morally dishonest. I think you have a big 
misconception about how life works. "Paliks" apparently think they can 
post bigoted remarks in public and not be called to account. Well, their 
perceptions are demonstrably wrong. You don't fight bigots and "sipas" by 
running away from them; they have a tendency to seek you out wherever you 
go.

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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