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From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: anomalies for beginners
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:51:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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I've been following with interest the recent discussions both about
mistakes in the released performances and about differences among
versions.  You know, all of this has gone right past me in all these
years of listening -- each new album has always sounded perfect to me,
and the only version difference I ever really noticed was the end of
Penny Lane.

So I was thinking, what would be great for someone like me isn't a huge
list of every possible ding, but rather a tutorial introduction about
"how to listen carefully" with a few of the most interesting examples
(preferably from the legit releases that we all own) pointed out.  That
would make a great addition to saki's collection of handouts.

How about it, you experts?
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: greg@irl.ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear)
Subject: Another John screwup
Reply-To: greg@ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear)
Organization: Industrial Research Lab - Univ. of Florida
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:42:52 GMT

I forget if I mentioned this before, but there is a John vocal flub I haven't
seen in the recent messages.  In "Rock and Roll Music", the last time John
should sing "gotta be rock and roll music" he sings something that sounds like
"oughta gotta rock and roll music".

So, what does John say at the beginning of "It's All Too Much" (it sounds kind
of like "sue your mother" or something)?  Inquiring minds and all that....
--
Greg O'Rear (orear@ise.ufl.edu)
Industrial and Systems Engineering, University of Florida
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:11:12 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

A drummer of a Finnish rock band called 'Eppu Normaali' (Abe Normal, for all
those Mel Brooks fans there), Aku Syrja", did in 1980 a solo single, the 
title of which was 'Ringo ja Aku' (Ringo and Aku).

Selected quotes from the lyrics roughly translated into English follow:
"(Aku) Surely this Ringo Starr made trouser legs flutter, it was really 
rough, so tough you can't see through. But The Beatles quit in '69 and after 
that he hasn't been the same.
He has run out of the yeah-yeah-yeahs, he's stayed in Monaco, so I can play now,
I'm the most excellent drummer."
"(backing vox) It's good for you to beat when you're digging the right 
fellows, (Aku) well, you can't play with stiff hands when your pumps are 
young, rock'n'roll's gotta have the taste of life, Ringo did it yesterday, 
today Aku's doing it."
"... you could play, like, Twist and Shout, goddammit, that's growling."
"(backing vox)... those are great dudes who can hit their cans. (In English, 
with THE tune) Oh yeah, oh right, are you gonna be in my dreams tonight." 
followed by DRUM SOLO (the beginning's the same as..., but then Aku does his 
own stuff.)

Original Finnish lyrics by Juhani "Juice" Leskinen. The same guy, by the way,
translated Mark Shipper's "Paperback Writer" into Finnish, so he's quite 
much into Beatles, I guess.

Timo Ahonen                        "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
University of Helsinki             intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
Finland                            universe is that none of it has tried to
Timo.Ahonen@Helsinki.FI            contact us." Calvin by Bill Watterson
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: George quotes "Sorrow"
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.233838.27980@en.ecn.purdue.edu> prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.174010.1@opie.bgsu.edu> wd208cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>
>>In the song "Sorrow" - I don't know who did the original, but it was 
>>covered by David Bowie, there is the line:
>>
>>     "With your long blonde hair and your eyes of blue
>>      the only thing I ever got from you was sorrow"
>
>actually, george harrison lifted the first line from "sorrow" - not
>visa-versa.

Correct. The Merseys' "Sorrow" (they had just disbanded as the
Merseybeats, reformed with only two members, and launched "Sorrow"
as a comeback of sorts) was a massive British hit in 1966, obviously
influencing George Harrison, among others. I think "Sorrow" is included
in one of the Rhino Records British Invasion CD-series, for those
who are curious; it's really a terrific song, though it made virtually
no impact on the American charts.

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Birthdays and Such
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:35:04 GMT
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.

In rec.music.beatles, rcook@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (r.w.cook) writes:

(deleted information including dates of Sgt. Peppers release)

I'm here to tell you that I stood in line on the day of it's release
and paid $2.99 - the date was June 2nd.  I remember mostly because
it was (and still is!) my younger brother's birthday.  The memory was
strengthened on 6/2/68 when KFRC (San Fran) announced "ONE YEAR AGO
TODAY!!!" and started playing Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, much to
my Dad's dismay.

dennis@hpwrc11.mayfield.hp.com
(notice the absence of the obligatory Beatles' song quote?  I'm a REBEL!!! HAHAAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!)
From: gavin@praxis.co.uk (Gavin Finnie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sixties newsgroup (was: Rolling Stones)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:05:02 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Bath, U.K.

stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>As for the nascent r.m.stones, this comes up periodically.  Maybe one
>day I'll do a FAQ on my views!  Much as I love the Stones, I have not
>seen enough interest to warrant a sensible active newsgroup. 
>Potentially when they tour there would be interest?  I always reply
>that a newsgroup rec.music.sixties may be a better, wider and thus
>more viable newsgroup.

Now there's a good idea! - anyone else think so?

Gavin
From: weiss@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Origins of Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:54:59 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <720169265.1@ninejacknine.FidoNet.Org> Taxman@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Taxman) writes:
> JN> By the way can anyone tell 
> JN> me what device/instrument
> JN> they used to create the wierd sound that crops up 
> JN> whenever Maxwell does his
> JN> dirty deed and also has kind of a melodic lead of its 
> JN> own at the end of the
> JN> song?

[Taxman needs to learn how to use the carriage return]

The sound is created by the "new" Moog Synthesizer.  One of the features of
the Moog was an endless-loop ribbon that could be used to determine the pitch
to be played.  That ribbon is what Macca used to create those sounds.
According to Lewisohn, Paul was rather quick at picking up that particular
"instrument" (the ribbon part).
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From: slane@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Patrick Slane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:01:27 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

From article <1992Nov8.225505.3269@midway.uchicago.edu>, by ifsa@quads.uchicago.edu (andrea m koziol):
> ---> My main question: What is going to happen to these memories, and 
> associated memories of growing up with the Beatles, as I hear the music so
> cleanly on cd in the future?  It's *not* going to be the same.

Yes, you are absolutely correct - some of those personal artifacts will
be gone forever. But you can always play your old records if you *need*
to...

When the Beatles cds were first released, I was a grad student temporarily
living in Hawaii while I gathered my thesis data. I brought a tape player,
but certainly was not equipped to hear the new cds. The night they were
released, I got a phone call - nobody on the other end, just the sound
of "A Taste of Honey" playing into the phone. I knew who the callers had
to be, and called back after the song ended. Loud music and obvious celebration
were heard on the other end. My friends, listening to the cds for the third
or fourth time that evening, said that the best way they could describe 
the re-released music was "A Taste of Honey" ...

When a friend here recently asked me how good the Beatles stuff sounded on
cd, I lent him the Please Please Me cd, and told him to crank the title
cut up LOUD (hey, we're talking about being kids again, right?) and form
his own opinion. Trust me, you're going to have the same big smile on your
face that he did.

> 	I bought Rubber Soul yesterday on cd.  I haven't played it yet.

Well, by all means give it a listen!


..........................................................................
						"Images of broken light
Pat Slane					 Which dance before me
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics	  like a million eyes
slane@cfa.harvard.edu				 They call me on and on
						 Across the Universe"
..........................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter)
Subject: Rolling Stones
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:51:28 GMT

     Don't get me wrong, I LOVE The Beatles!

          But, how come there's no rec.music.stones, eh?


Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: djs@sadtler.com
Subject: Re: Uncle Albert
Keywords: lyrics request
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:09:40 GMT

In article <henny.720940599@uieea> henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe) writes:
>Though not exactly a Beatles song, would anyone know where I could
>find the lyrics to McCartneys Uncle Albert/ Admiral Halsey song?
>

It's on the the CD "All the Best".

>Also what exactly is the relationship between the song and any real
>characters?
>
I don't know.

-- 
D. Sears                                          Email:  djs@sadtler.com
post += disclaimer;                   Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia 
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From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:02:50 GMT
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden

In article <1992Nov4.174010.1@opie.bgsu.edu> wd208cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>In the song "Sorrow" - I don't know who did the original, but it was 
>covered by David Bowie, there is the line:
>
>     "With your long blonde hair and your eyes of blue
>      the only thing I ever got from you was sorrow"

Well, this is more like a "Merseybeats in Beatles songs" thing.
The song "Sorrow" was recorded by the Merseybeats in 1966, I think.
George wrote "It's all too much" in 1968. That song contained a reference
to "Sorrow" with the line: "With your long blonde hair and your eyes of blue"

Great songs both of them I think (as well as Bowie's cover)!

Christer
From: hetz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Joseph Hetz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: I've done it, I've done it!!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:36:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.183622.746
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	I've always thought (and so has the Hal Leonard Publishing Co.) that
he line in Strawberry Fields Forever is supposed to be:
		"I think a no will mean a yes but ..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu (brian)
Subject: Re: and GDEAD
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:10:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.200649.24240@lclark.edu> evans@lclark.edu (Jeremiah Evans) writes:
>	Yes indeed I also think that the Grateful Dead do the Beatles very
>well.  Hey Jude(way back in 68) always sound very sloppy, Day Tripper('86)
>is very trippy.  The most fun I've had with the Dead doing the Beatles would
>be Why don't we do it in the road.  The most recent cover, "Tommorow never
>Knows" is very trippy, the drums keep it rolling along like a freight train.
>Another interesting tidbit is that Tommorow never knows always segues into
>Baba O' Reily by the Who.

They also did a cover of "Blackbird" that kind of fell
apart a little bit as they went on (at least 
on the tape I heard).  But overall, it
was a pretty solid effort with very quiet background
music and three part vocal harmony.  I think the tape
I heard it on was from the last tour before Brent
died--maybe from a show in Michigan (?).  BTW, don't
you think "I Feel Fine" would be an ideal Beatles song
for the Dead to cover?  Maybe that guy who taught Weir
the chords to "Day Tripper" could show him this one, too. ;-) 

--Brian
bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Purdue English Dept.
From: Sean.P.Donahue@dartmouth.edu (Sean P. Donahue)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Silly Paul Songs (was Revolution 9 (again))
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:38:39 GMT
 <1992Nov2.210356.13838@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I vote for the one that starts "I want a hores, I want a sheep, I want
to get me a good night's sleep"

Sean Donahue
(sean.p.donahue@dartmouth.edu)
"Love is real, real is love" - John Ono Lennon
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: poosala@cs.wisc.edu (vishy)
Subject: John and Silly songs?
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:23:08 GMT

Reg. John's silly songs I have 2 points to make:

1. It's only love : "That's the one song I really hate of mine.
		     Terrible lyric" - John , Hit parader Apr 72
					(so: dowlding)

2.     *******This is just my feeling. Don't mind it.**********
   Already I have seen atleast 1 of my favourite  songs being crucified
   in this thread and have started getting the creepy doubt that I might 
   have been listening to the song(s) with a halo around the boys. 

   Whoever said that "How do you sleep.." is the silliest lennon's song,
   was he just jesting or is it a universal opinion of pundits? H E L P

				-vishy

PS: I asked for mentions of beatles in other songs without knowing that it
    was already being done. Thanks for all those who sent me emails: I will
    redirect them to dthompson who was already making the list.

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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Julian Lennon song
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:35:06 GMT

> campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello) writes:

>   Is anyone familiar with a song by Julian Lennon that has the
>   refrain "Salt water wells in my eyes"?

Speaking of the album "Help Yourself:"

Some of the CD shops around here are taking trade-ins.  They'll give you 
six bucks for used CD's.  They need to be a "standard" CD (not a budget label
or some obscure label).

Being a little short on dough these days I sometimes pick out a couple of
CD's that I think I won't be listening to any more and use them to defray
the cost of some new music that I want.

The last time that I did this I decided to trade in "Help Yourself."
"Salt Water" is a great tune, but I didn't like the album overall. 
Neither shop would take it as a trade in.  They couldn't use it (it
wouldn't sell). 

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From: ninneman@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Ex-Twin Peaks actor seeks employment)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Origins of Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:15:52 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN  USA

In article <720169265.1@ninejacknine.FidoNet.Org> Taxman@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Taxman) writes:

> Paul also commented in Musician Magazine of February 1988 that the term
 "pataphysical" came from a Parisian club called the Pataphysical Society.

I doubt anyone really cares, but I'm so overjoyed that I know SOMETHING
that hasn't been brought up in this group that I just have to share it.

"Pataphysics" was one of Alfred Jarry's weird philosophical creations back
in the 1890s, while he was shocking Paris with the first absurdist play,
"King Ubu." Kind of appropriate for such absurd lyrics, dontcha think?
How Joan's test tubes help her philosophize is still beyond me though...

================================================================================scot ninnemann  |  a dizzy swirl of motion and I'm learning how to fly  -eclipse================================================================================
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:11:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
| I must own up to being close to traumatized (sp) when
|I went into the Abbey Road studios for the sessions in 1983 and heard
|what I assume to be 1st generation copies of master tapes playing
|through the studio sound system.
|
|The sound was so different that it was barely recognizable as the
|music that I'd grown up with.  Give me that sound at home, however you
|do it and I'd be wellpleased.

Resolutely not mentioning the feelings of envy aroused by this message,
I'd like more explanation about what's different listening in the studio.
Do you mean that the transfer to record (or to CD as the case may be)
loses information?  Or do you mean that Abbey Road has better speakers
than we do at home?  Or is it that there are a lot of tape dubs between
the master tapes and the consumer recording?  Or were you hearing
unmixed multitrack?  Or what?
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Silly John Songs ...
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 07:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.220041.12232@ptdcs2.intel.com> kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (Kent Stewart) writes:
> What about Mean Mr.Mustard, or Polythene Pam?  They're a bit
>on the silly side.


I always considered MMM and PP (good examples of allitterative names,
btw) as two very vivid images of "real people"... 
 
For me the silliest John song remains "The Continuing Story..." - John's
answer to Rocky Racoon.
 
--
ciao! .mau.
-----
Maurizio Codogno - CSELT UF/DU dept. - Torino Italy
"home" email: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it
From: ers1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (eugene.r.schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:05:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Nov5.060506.11381
Organization: AT&T

Another reference by Bowie (I think) is from Cygnet Committee:

  "Infiltrated business cesspools,
   Hating through our sleeves,
   And we slit the Catholic throat
   Stoned the poor on slogans such as:
     'Wish You Could Hear,'
     'Love Is All We Need,'
     'Kick Out the Jams,'
     [etc] "

I've always assumed slogan #2 to be a reference to All You Need Is Love.

Gene
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:16:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Backwards messages
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

> 
> But that's really the important question. The "backwards message", such
> as it is, *seems* like "Paul is dead, miss him, miss him" to those who
> already know what they should be hearing...but play it for someone outside
> the whole "Paul Is Dead" context and it can sound utterly incomprehensible.
> Or it can sound like another sentence or phrase altogether. Try it on
> a non-Beatles fan sometime and see what they think they're hearing. It's
> very revealing.
> 

The other famous case of this is to play the "Number 9...Number 9..."
backwards and hear "I'm dead man...I'm dead man..."  It sure sounds
like "I'm dead man..." at least if that's what you expect to hear.

Tom

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: cs151fa@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: Re: Only A Northern Song
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 16:30:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

>
>Another thing, on Yellow Submarine film, there is a verse in All Too Much
>song, that is not on the version on the album of the same name. Does
>anyone know the reason for that? Is the alternative version available
>on stereo elsewhere than on the movie soundtrack?
>
>-- 
>Mikko Suhonen
>Vaasa, Finland
>(a70901@uwasa.fi)
>

According to Jeff Russell's album file/discography, yes the movie and the
soundtrack version of It's All Too Much have one verse difference.  However,
it's up in the air as to why this is.  In fact, according to Russell, both
versions were edited from the same 30 minute recording, but this has never
been verified (unfortunately).

BTW, if nobody out there has heard of Russell's book, I recommend it, as it
tells interesting things about the songs, give clues as to the meanings of
them, give instrumentation credits, and tell of all the neat hidden messages
in songs (my personal favorite is still the morse code in Strawberry Fields).

Anyways... enough rambling on... ho, hum...

Mike (cs151fa@lamar.colostate.edu - at least for another month or so ;-)

From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:59:56 GMT
Subject: Re: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.