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From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: drug dealers
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:47:02 GMT

In article <lmb0n7INNnm7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
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>From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
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>Subject: Re: drug dealers
>Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:28:55 GMT
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>In article <19986@mindlink.bc.ca> Rob_Prior@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Prior) writes:
>>Anyone who sells drugs is most certainly a lower form of life
>---
>	Really?  
>
>	I look at drug dealers as freedom fighters.  They are risking
>their lives and property for allowing people the freedom to *choose*
>what they want to do with their minds and bodies -- despite government
>desire to control our bodies and minds.  
>
>	Everytime I hear of a drug dealer sent to jail, I feel a sense
>that someone on the side of freedom has been captured and is now
>a POW.  The war on drugs is a war on the american people, and those
>jailed are prisoners of war.
>
Oh please.  Drug dealers are in it for the money, not for ideals.  They are 
no more freedom fighters than slave traders were in the 1700's.  They have 
the same motive:  profit.  Now, I do not deny the validity of the profit 
motive, nor the natural right of people to do what they want, so long as 
they harm no one but themselves.

As far as I am concerned, if someone wants to turn their brain to tapioca, 
that's fine with me.  Just don't expect me to pay for rehabilitation, or to 
feed them when they can no longer take care of themselves.

I now officially declare this thread beyond the charter of rec.nude, and 
invite any follow-ups to go to talk.politics.misc.  (I can't, my newreader 
is differently-abled.)

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From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: A Pocketless Society
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:58:29 GMT
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <ARCHER.844.727641289@utkvm1.utk.edu>, ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
> It may seem like a foolish question to you, but what do ya'll do with 
> wallets, car keys, smoking paraphanalia, and the like?  No pockets.  
> 
> (Please keep in mind that I am completely ignorant.)
> 

I too have a collection of packs, bum-bags, etc to cope with the miscellaneous
necessities of life that even clothes-free recreation can't lose, but there are
another couple of points:

First, I have a friend who, when he goes for a walk at the beach, always takes
his car keys (if nothing else), on the premise that if his gear gets stolen, he
can probably get back to the car and get home.

Secondly, I used to take mountains of "stuff" of all descriptions with me to
the club on weekends, following the "just in case" theory, until I got a
caravan (i.e. trailer) site there, so that I could leave everything I needed at
the club and just turn up. Nowadays I just spend hours walking between the pool
and the caravan, because I never remember to take all the things I need with me
the first time: the lesson is, you can overcome being a textile, but
absent-mindedness goes a lot deeper.

Generally speaking, I trust nudists/naturists as completely honest people, but
not all beach users are nudists (and nudist clubs in NZ don't have land-mined
perimeters. I tend to be a lot more relaxed about security at the club, but I
don't advertise to be robbed either.

Brent Thomson, Waikato NZ
From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Recommendations in Southern Hemisphere
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:16:34 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Andy (and any interested others)

There are about 16 nudist clubs between Auckland and Christchurch and 2
resorts. As well as that there are literally dozens of beaches that are either
used by naturists/nudists or can be without any fuss. The fastest way to find
out about beaches is to stop in at the local club when you arrive in nz and ask
the locals. Auckland has about ten beaches handy to the city that are CO.

Also in Auckland there are four nudist clubs. The largest one (with a good
attitude to visitors and single men) is the Auckland Outdoor Health Club, which
can be contacted at P.O. Box 2702 Auckland. The shop there sells guides to nz
nudist clubs and (with members c.300) there are plenty of people to give you
the low down. I haven't yet visited the Canterbury Sun Club in Christchurch,
but people down there are usually very obliging. Their address is P.O. Box 1823
Christchurch.

Of the two resorts, Riverlands Hideaway Resort is about 55 km from Napier on
the east coast of the North Island. It has only recently been established, but
it offers nude horseriding and nude whitewater rafting, as well as other rural
type activities. Their address is R.D.2 Napier or phone (64-6)834-9756. Mapua
Leisure Park is the other resort, not far out of Nelson at the top of the South
Island. Mapua is a long established CO motel/camping ground with its own beach
and the usual array of nudist activities. The address is Toru Street, Mapua,
Nelson or phone (64-3)540-2666.

Rotota Sun Club in the central North Island is located in a geothermal area,
and is the only nudist club (I think) in nz with its own nature hot springs for
bathing in. It is also alongside a lake and very near a (locally) famous
thermal park which featured in the video "Naked Down Under".

Except for the resorts (who assume that you will be staying) typically nz clubs
do not have a day visitor's fee: i.e. visitors (especially ones with INF cards)
are welcome free of charge. For people with INF cards there is a token camping
fee. Most clubs have powered camping sites for people who have
campervans.Universally facilities are clean, if sometimes a little rustic.

Having been elected as Public Relations Officer for the NZ Nudist Federation at
Christmas time, I am working on getting together a comprehensive tourist guide
to NZ CO and clothes free (CF?) recreation. It's taking a while, but anyone
interested in particular items of info. can contact me via e-mail and I'll get
stuff sent to you.

Brent Thomson, Waikato, NZ
From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: drug dealers
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:34:22 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <lmb0n7INNnm7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
> In article <19986@mindlink.bc.ca> Rob_Prior@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Prior) writes:
>>Anyone who sells drugs is most certainly a lower form of life
> ---
> 	Really?  
> 
> 	I look at drug dealers as freedom fighters.  They are risking
> their lives and property for allowing people the freedom to *choose*
> what they want to do with their minds and bodies -- despite government
> desire to control our bodies and minds.  

They must be some of the best paid "freedom fighters" anywhere.

It's great that they share their battle with young kids as well: I don't know
why being 10 years old is any reason not to OD or use dirty needles or get sold
some very sus homebake.
> 
> :: If pro-choice means choice after conception, does this apply to men too? ::

It certainly doesn't stop men having misconceptions.

Brent Thomson
From: pfingsta@inm.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Pfingstag)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Nudist beach
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:22:41
Organization: Institute for New Materials (INM), Saarbr"ucken, Germany.
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Hi, 
does anybody know how I can avoid it, to get an erection on a 
nudist beach. This is a real problem.

Uli
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From: SteveSgt@torrent.sj.ca.us (Steve Sergeant)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: nude bathing in iowa city?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:44:10 PST
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In article <7470@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> (rec.nude), 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen) writes:
> 
>  anybody know where the co areas of iowa city are?
> 

I lived there for 11 years and found a few opportunities, but be prepared
to travel about an hour from there into Illinois for any formally organized
social nudism.

Of course, because of Iowa's particularly puritan laws on the subject, there
is no overt organized social nudity there.  But there are some option on local
private land.  I'm afraid I can't direct you specifically, but there are two
quarries north of town that the owners have built beaches along and allow
people they know {and their friends ;-) } to enjoy free of clothing
requirements.  One of these quarries I went to several times was just a mile
or so north of I-80 and just off highway 1.  I could bicycle there in about
30 minutes from downtown.

But to get access to these places you have to know the land owners or someone
the land owners have given permission to pass.  I don't have any advice for
you there except that perhaps someone in the area will see your post...

BTW, you had better wait a few months before checking these places out.  :-)
And ...  Good luck.


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From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Gun-Control and Nudity
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:18:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.183816.26706@icd.teradyne.com> yaffe@icd.teradyne.com (Arthur G. Yaffe) writes:


>
>One of the things that seems to happen in places where most everybody is naked
>is that if you put something down it will stay where you put it.  That goes for
>cigarettes, towels, umbrellas, lunch, clothing (we had to get TO the beach, 
>you know!), etc.  I wouldn't be comfortable leaving my solid gold Rolex on
>my towel, but my $39.95 Casio is likely safe.  

I think that as naturism (nudism?  natualism?) grows, you will find that 
this is no longer the case. I am a member of the SCA, a mediaval recreation 
organization, and I can remeber the time when you could leave sterling 
silver tankards and the like in the feast hall and they would be there when 
you returned.  We were an intimate guild of dreamers who would never dream 
of stealing from the "brethern."  This has changed.  We are big enough to 
have generated our own set of flatulating buttheads, without need of "
outsiders."  I fear that you will see the same thing with clothing optional 
recreation.  Although theft will be more difficult, with fewer places to 
hide ill-gotten booty.

>
>Most of us don't carry weapons.  We don't particularly feel threatened by other
>naked people 

True enough.  But you needn't feel threatened by the people around you to go 
armed any more than you need fear fire to keep a fire extinguisher handy.  
But this philosophical turn of conversation has wandered out of rec.nude, so 
I'll dump the digression.

As an Inherently-Evil-Gun-Toting-Bambi-Killing-Crazed-Barbaric member of the 
NRA, I was just interested in the technical aspects of resonable self-
defense for the practicing nudist.


(who are also, quite clearly, not carrying weapons), so we (those of us 
>who own weapons) leave the weapons home, in the car, or elsewhere where they will be
>safe.  We do carry wallets, driver's licenses, etc., and that stuff goes in the bag
>we carry onto the beach, plunk down on one corner of the beach blanket, and carry

Ah!  Tote bags.

>back off the beach when we leave.  We don't worry about anyone pocketing our "stuff",
>because most people, as you have noted, don't carry pockets. (smaller smiley).
>
>Read the FAQ for more insight into our lifestyle.  And give it a try, if you 
>dare . . . to be bare.  

Flabby white gun nuts are too body conscious.  Plus, I am a victim of 
cultural training that insists, despite all efforts of reason, that nudity = 
sexuality.

I
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Lawsuits (was Re: Excluding Single Males)
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:03:26 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
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In article <ak64787@pro-harold.cts.com> rford@pro-harold.cts.com (Richard Ford) writes:
>Tom, is it not true that the majority of clubs do NOT discriminate against
>single females.  From what I've heard, most of the clubs that bar single
>males have no such policy in reference to single females.

Well Richard, when it comes to barring single men and not single women
I don't know have often that occurs.  We have heard a few stories here
about single men being discriminated against.   BUT, I am still waiting
for some actual count and/or statistics on just how many (and what percentage)
clubs bar single men and not single women.  What has been more common in
my experience is charging more for single men than single women and I cover
that in another posting.

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From: rford@pro-harold.cts.com (Richard Ford)
Subject: Re: Field trip and rec.nude BOF at Usenix
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:36:02 PST

I just found out!  It stands for "Birds Of a Feather".
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: How to carry your stuff...
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:19:33 PST

>Is there a difference between the TNS fannypack and any other I might
name?
I would think that the web belt of a typical pack would be uncomfortable.

<

I too find nylon uncomforatable against bare skin. I have an over the
shoulder bag that is made of braided cotton and is very comforatble. The
only problem is that it has an open top and soemthing might spill out. I am
still looking for the ultimate carrier.

Lee Dronick, San Diego CA
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From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B))
Newsgroups: rec.nude,alt.fan.naked-guy
Subject: Re: The Naked Guy gets expelled
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:40:21 GMT
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In article <1k7im8$hoe@agate.berkeley.edu> dwallach@soda.berkeley.edu (Dan Wallach) writes:
>
>There was a table on Sproul selling 'Cal Au Naturelle' t-shirts in support
>of Martinez, although I didn't stop to ask the guy what he was doing with
>the profits.

Am I the only one this strikes as being extremely funny?  Supporting the
guy-who-wears-no-clothes... by buying a T-shirt?  Sorta like PETA selling
cat carriers, or the NEA selling Nintendo games....

	Brian

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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:16:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.163845.28114@val.com> ben@val.com (Ben Thornton) writes:
>
>This kind of reminds me of the 60's movie "A Shot in the Dark" where Peter
>Sellers as Clousseau had to visit a Nudist Resort in pursuit of a criminal.
>Of course, since full frontal nudity was not quite appropriate in those days,
>the wardrobe folks (or was it the props folks?) dressed him in an acoustic 
>guitar.  And, no, he didn't play it :)

You've got the point of the scene the wrong way round.  Clouseau wore
the guitar because *he* was embarrassed.  He loses it halfway through
(I can't remember how) and so spends the rest of the scene desperately
finding ways of concealing himself.  But of course all the dozens of
other nude bodies in the scene had to be censored by means of funny
camera angles and convenient obstacles, which to my mind somewhat
reduced the effectiveness of the joke.

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From: ritter@claude.ma30.bull.com (Roger Ritter)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: New Hampshire Nude resort
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:45:16 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.

rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:

>gellmore@pearl.tufts.edu writes:

>>Driving along a secondary road in New Hampshire, from route 16 west to get to
>>Interstate 93, I came across a nudist resort in the Southern half of NH. My
>>map isn't here, but I presume the resort remains. I saw it last Spring.


>What is the name of the place?

This is probably Cedar Waters Village, in Lee, NH.  It is a fairly nice
camp, but is run by fundamentalist Christians (no kidding!).  As a
result, more traditional nudists seem to have a problem with them.  I've
visited once, and had no problems at all (and I'm agnostic, and no
fan of fundamentalist Christianity).  Camp rules include:  no alcohol,
couples only (probably mixed-sex couples only, but I don't remember
for sure).  Families are permitted, of course.  They have a nice-sized
lake with decent water temperature, several swimming platforms, a
couple of camp-owned paddleboats, a sauna, a snack bar (a restaurant
was nearing completion when I visited), and a couple of beaches.  No
hot tub.

Although their couples-only rule is very strict, they don't quite
actually ask if you're married (they *do* assume it, though.  The
registration form has lines for "your name" and "spouse's name").
My memory's growing dim, but I don't think the day-visit fee was
higher than $20/couple.  Maybe $16 or $18, even.  A place worth
visiting, if their restrictions don't hurt too much.
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From: maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray)
Subject: Re: Nudist TV
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:16:42 GMT


[]

On the Atlantic coast of France there is a nudist village
(Montalivet) which boasts the "first nudist radio station"
in the world. I saw a couple of reports about it in the
press this summer.  However the broadcast range is limited
to the area of the village.  At any rate I suspect that the
program must be, for the most, the kind of standard pop
music heard everywhere...

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Subject: Lower forms of life.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:59:36 GMT
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If this discussion of lower life forms is to continue please relate it
to nudists/naturists.  For instance, IRS employees are a lower life form
then nudists.  Drug dealers probably fit in between IRS agents and nudists.

On the other hand, it really doesn't matter who/what the lower forms
of life are anyway.

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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: New Hampshire Nude resort
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:05:02 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <1993Jan26.195632.6714@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph A. Mack) writes:
>Cedar Waters Village (or CWV for those of us who know and love it).
>
>Restrictions
>- the usual - no alcohol, no cameras, etc.
>- more conservatively: no unpaired adults (with rare exceptions). I think
>  they've relaxed their restriction about unmarried couples during the day only.

The usual????  Maybe I've been lucky enough to only visit "progressive"
clubs.  So far I haven't encountered a "no alcohol" rule and the rules
regarding cameras were limits, not prohibitions.  (i.e., no photos without
the subjects' permission; no cameras by the pool; etc.)  The only places
I've been to that had "couples only" restrictions let me in anyway, even
though I was travelling alone at the time.

It doesn't surprise me that there are still clubs with all these rules,
but I really hope "usual" is an exageration.

As an aside: how would a club go about checking if you were a married
or an unmarried couple?  I was married for 5 years, but never had any
paperwork to prove it---in Canada, common law marriage is legally
equivalent to any other kind of marriage.  Even if we had had a ceremony
we still would have had different surnames afterward.  So the only
thing we could have proved was that we were room-mates.

Cheers.  Bill. 
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From: 6500hage@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (William F. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: nude bathing in iowa city?
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:15:01 GMT
Distribution: rec


 anybody know where the co areas of iowa city are?
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Gun-Control and Nudity
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:18:46 PST

tmicheal@feenix.metronet.com (Micheal Young) writes:

>>
>>Flabby white gun nuts are too body conscious.  Plus, I am a victim of 
>>cultural training that insists, despite all efforts of reason, that nudity = 
>>sexuality.
>>
>
>Total bummer, dude.  I hope you get over it some day.
>-- 

Hell, I got over it, so can he. Be of strong heart! There is hope!
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