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From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:26:35 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris

In article <1992Oct16.211306.27831@nstn.ns.ca> CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki) writes:
>
>Random Quote of the Day:
>Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
>
>                --- United States Vice President Dan Quayle



When you think media, think VISUAL PERFERY the state of everything you
see reduced to trite, meaningless, garbage.  We are in an age when
pictures, movies, wars, elections can be all forged by anybody with a
hot computer, and if you add VR, as the current trend suggests, we will
all become soliphists (the belief that your mind creates reality--there
is no realty, execpet what your mind creates).  

The media is not the message, but the conspiracy

The elction is a hoax--Big Brother is your neighbor--Eat bagles!

________________________________________________________________________________    
Noone listens to reason, so I am ready to fight!  Ministry

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Explore ambiguity!
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: CYBERNETICISTS
Keywords: $$
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:16:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92275.132253L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes...
>Listen people, I'm thinking of going into cybernetics, can someone tell me the
>pros & cons of this field. As well as tell me basically what it defines? E-mail
> me, thanx.


check out biotechnology first, molecbio, is source of most feedback
systems that machines use anyway. 
---
From: rms@andria.miles.com (Rob Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Book question!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:01:25 GMT
Organization: Andria

mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)  writes:

> TL>     Has anybody read the book "Lethal Interface" by Mel Odom?
> 
> Reading it now.  Great!  Got a real plot and everything...
> Can't tell you what it is, but definitely read it (so far)...
> 
> Mykel

I just finished reading it - pretty good book, kind of predictable, but
with a very interesting twist toward the end.

The basic premise of the book is that Japan has been wiped out by a
combination of earthquakes and tidal waves, and that all of Japan has
picked up and moved, en masse, to the United States.  Somehow, they
managed to remain Japanese, however, and as such are outside of many
US laws.

Move a serial killer with a grudge who interfaces directly to home 
security systems into the picture and then add a cop who *really* 
believes in doing his job, and you have a very interesting plot.

I will probably give the book to my fiancee, who hates SF but likes
slasher novels.  I think she might like it, if she can get past the
SF/computer/tech parts.

Happy reading :-)

later -
     rms
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Agrippa News
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:29:32 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <Bvx9Cs.DHC@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman) writes:
>houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>
>Youcall a long relationship with the Residents DOING STUFF ON A NON_JOKEY
>LEVEL?!?!?!?!

Well...um...uh...er...

...they *are* North Louisiana's Most Phenomenal Pop Combo... :)

>Now, granted, 50skiddillion watts is a more serious undertaking, but the
>Residents are humor on a grand scale..

Okay - I'll agree... but my point was that Jillette's more than 
just a returning guest on Letterman....!

Joshua "Whatever happened to vileness fats?" Houk
-- 
houk@athena.cs.uga.edu * email for rockin' indie-list info!

Sun is whiter than whiter. Could be a witness to burning out my eyes.
   - Unrest
From: moon!cyberden!verge@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: SEX!
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 21:04:36 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Jazz, man, flash on the thought--
--this is the edge, right? We're skirting the razor, hanging over 
screaming, rending gears, hanging by the sweet wires. Well, it's like 
this, man, what about sex (you know, the Royal Number, The Goody Dance, 
the Big O)? Okay, okay, ease off the nubbie--yeah this should go to 
alt.sex.bondage or alt.sex--but I'm talking cybersex and cyber (at least 
to meself) means underground, "punk", counter-culture, the dirty deed,  
nasty-boy SF, concertina wire bras, "Obsolete penises", augmentation, 
your plastic pal, etc.
Gist is this. Interested in discuss or X-change of true life or fantasy 
edge-play. What have you done, when you've done the dirty deed, that 
rings of the Sprawl? Maybe that sweet-time with the girl with the 
piercings, or you and your plastic pal? Maybe that grand Leather Daddy's 
videotape, or that anonymous dyke bash on the BBS at two in the morning.
Since I tossed, I should volley first (good "ball" analogy): there was 
this time in InSane Frisco, friend of mine who makes a living beating men 
for money. Hot little get-together, safe sex and latex fetish rolled into 
one black rubber bikni brief (hers) with "convenient" sheath and water 
based lube.
 Also: techno-thought of the day--electro-stim to orgasm is closer than 
you think (large nerve clusters close to the surface), in a handful of 
years a simple stimpak to her (or his) nerve cluster, similar to his (or 
her) and Go At It. The boxes monitor and feedback. Pressbutton: 
Simultaneous Orgasm!
So let's here the Collective Moans'--
Welcome to the 21st century:  insert ID card and spread your legs--


__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!verge@well.sf.ca.us ]
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Greetings
From: dion@marge.sfsu.edu (Tim &)
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:27:03 PDT

In article <7506@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>  writes:
> 
> 	Greetings, cyberdudes.  I am sehst3.  I am not a man; I am a  
number.
> 
> 	I guess you can call me Skitz.  I am not stable.
> 
> 	On the other hand, my environment may be what is not stable, and  
yet   because I am constant, I am diagnosed to be unstable.
> 
> 	I am 3hsets.  Now, I am in the air.
> 
> 	This is not poetry.  This is not a game.
> 
> 	You are witnessing the mending of a torn, bleeding heart.   
Stitches of
> circuitry and razorwire hold together this fragment of an entity,  
providing 
> threads of order that counterbalance madness.
> 
> 	Is it madness to find solace in machines made be man?
> 
> 	Is it madness to find solace in men?
> 
> 	Is it madness to find solace in god-created-by-men-created-by-god?
> 
> 	I am here because I like your literature.  Your genre.  I have  
been 
> absorbing it for three of your years.  It is cold.  It is mean, and it 
> subtly asks questions.  I like questions.
> 
> 	My former self preferred answers.  But there was too much blood.
> 
> 	I am sehst3.  Call me Skitz.
so what!
From: sehst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (Sean Horner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Greetings
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:47:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	Greetings, cyberdudes.  I am sehst3.  I am not a man; I am a number.

	I guess you can call me Skitz.  I am not stable.

	On the other hand, my environment may be what is not stable, and yet   because I am constant, I am diagnosed to be unstable.

	I am 3hsets.  Now, I am in the air.

	This is not poetry.  This is not a game.

	You are witnessing the mending of a torn, bleeding heart.  Stitches of
circuitry and razorwire hold together this fragment of an entity, providing 
threads of order that counterbalance madness.

	Is it madness to find solace in machines made be man?

	Is it madness to find solace in men?

	Is it madness to find solace in god-created-by-men-created-by-god?

	I am here because I like your literature.  Your genre.  I have been 
absorbing it for three of your years.  It is cold.  It is mean, and it 
subtly asks questions.  I like questions.

	My former self preferred answers.  But there was too much blood.

	I am sehst3.  Call me Skitz.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: bambrose@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: exit
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:18:34 PDT

With extreme trepidation and fear of immolation (doesn't anyone ever get tired
of the word 'flame'?), I will offer my meaningless and annoying opinion:

Big Dumb Sex
Big Deal
In the dim reaches of my memory I somehow recall someone writing something
about "a meat thing."  Ring a bell?

Sorry not include > quotes, but I'm as of yet ignorant,

Bret Ambrose
	- BAmbrose@Pomona.Claremont.edu

"rusty servomotors and uncoiling intestines"
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Cyberpunk Aesthetic
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:18:37 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <67823@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert 
Thorson) writes: 

> What I enjoyed as a parody of the future however now bothers me when
> I see it in real life.  It's a sort of future shock, seeing the future
> expressed in _Blade_Runner_ becoming true.  It's as though there's an
> developing aesthetic in which unenhanced video is somehow less real, less
> accurate.  It seems like Americans prefer to view reality through computers,
> satellites, and the nose cameras of cruise missiles.

   This strikes me as an extremely significant observation, probably 
because it makes me feel twitchy and paranoid without knowing quite why.
   I got the same feeling from reading an article about a year ago on a TV 
docudrama which was coming out on the Gulf War, which mixed in real video 
footage of battles, etc., with staged video footage of actors (who were 
either acting out the real stories or *fictional* stories of soldiers in 
the conflict-- or both? I can't remember).  The whole idea sounded scary, 
but what was most frightening was the comments of the director/producer of 
the show, who was expounding on the possibilities of "video verite".  The 
whole idea was to blur the line between TV journalism and cinema...
   On reflection, though, this has all been anticipated by Thomas 
Pynchon's *Gravity's Rainbow*.  Gerhardt Von Goll, the director of S + M 
flicks in the decadent Weimar Germany, winds up creating the fake movies 
of the "Schwarzkommandos" for an Allied psych-war ploy, and inadvertantly 
"makes the reel real"...


  --Jesse.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The double integral stood in Etzel Olsch's subconscious for the method of 
finding hidden centers, inertias unknown, as if monoliths had been left 
for him in the twilight, left behind by some corrupted idea of 
"Civilization," in which eagles cast in concrete stand ten meters high at 
the corners of the stadiums where the people, a corrupted idea of "the 
People" are gathering, in which birds do not fly, in which imaginary 
centers far down inside the solid fatality of stone are thought of not as 
"heart," "plexus," "consciousness," (the voice speaking here grows more 
ironic, closer to tears which are not all theatre, as the list goes on...) 
"Sanctuary," "dream of motion," "cyst of the eternal present," or 
"Gravity's gray eminence among the councils of the living stone." No, as 
none of these, but instead a point in space, a point hung precise as the 
point where burning must end, never launched, never to fall...

				--Thomas Pynchon
				  *Gravity's Rainbow*
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial
From: nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:02:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.111155.25717@hemlock.cray.com> khj@cray.com (Ken Jo
p) writes:
>One of the problems with MONDO is the dissonance between
>cyberPUNK and slick glossy.  They'd be smarter to bill
>themselves as "Cyberglam." Leave the punking to bOING-bOING,
>though even b-b is maybe not razor-y enuf for punkdom.
>How about "Cybohemian"?



I don't know.  As I said, I enjoy it, but probably because I don't take
it too seriously.  Would Boing-Boing be considered a "serious" magazine?
What kind of stuff do they cover? How is their approch different?
Any articles on purely "industrial" issues?

Still looking for a FAQ for alt.industrial....
Net Ninja

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: U2
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:33:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.205950.26640@news.ysu.edu> ag625@yfn.ysu.edu (George M. Gruschow) writes:
>
>I don't think that U2 is a cyberpunk band, but the Zepplin might
>be, I'm not quite sure what my definition of CP band will be,
>but I'm giving the Information Society a 100% of being included
>in it. Just look at their latest album, "HACK", with the pic of a
>beat up car on the front, and a series of pictures of the members
>sitting in front of torn apart computers and spray painted skulls
>... That will easily fit in... -George Gruschow

There has been some talk about "HACK" being just a commercial ploy to sell records, but I saw an interview with them by Downtown Julie Kick-me-in-the-face Brown.  She asked them what they would be doing if they weren't making music, and the singer replied something to the effect of, "I'd probably be in the mountains coding in assembly."  So Downtown Julie Yes-I-work-for-tabloid-TV  Brown says, "uh... ... WELL!!! There you have it!  Information Society!!!"  ...clueless, as usual.

>-- 
>Call yourself a true magician eh? Answer me this:
>	Have you ever logged on the Internet,
>	From your calculator?? 

Yeah, but have you ever chatted with a guy in Brazil from the midwest on your calculator via radio?  ;)

JT
From: peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Cyberpunk and the rave scene
Date: 14 Oct 1992 02:53:22 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

Let me begin by professing my neophyte-ness in cyberpunk and the 
rave scene... However, I do read MONDO, which seems to be a mix 
of the two... And I just went to a rave (the pathetic occurrence
that it is), and though, "Gee, aren't people into cyberpunk going
to be too cynical for this happy colorful video glossy rave scene?"
Are the two connected? 

Just curious

--Peter M.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: aheckman@oracle.com (Alan Heckman)
Subject: Re: neuromancer the movie?
Organization: Oracle Corp
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:34:51 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


   Molly: Grace Jones       (As in the James Bond Movie - I think A View to a Kill)
   Armitage: Marlon Brando  (As in Apocalypse Now)
-- 
Alan J. Heckman        
aheckman@oracle.com
From: 00vmszopa@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Obscure question
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:48:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.041037.24457@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Mitchell.Porter@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
> Some time ago I read a book review of a novel (by Walter Jon Williams or
> Michael Swanwick, maybe?) in which there was a character who downloaded
> or otherwise transferred his personalityto a world network. That
> description could fit any of a dozen novels... but in the one I'm thinking
> of the character's name was something like KIBO. Does this ring any bells?
>  

	Perhaps it was "Reno" in Walter Jon Williams' _Hardwired_?
	Just read it.
> 
> 
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: reality?
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:45:44 GMT

jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:

|In article <guest.2@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au> guest@fcit-c1.fcit.monash.edu.au writes:
|>Cyberpunk is just a fantasy that we ain't going to achieve. Or if we do it 
|>ain't going to be too close to what they think it is. (Like people could
|>argue we had reached something like cyberpunk). 
|>	Firstly, anarchy and corporations rule?

|Dunno about anarchy, but corporations do.  Business, economy, trade, blah...

Anarchy isn't gonna happen in the classic sense of bringing down the gov't
thru protest/terrorism/civil war etc. It'll be (and is) more like *ignoring*
authoritarian signals as they become more and more *irrelvent*. I under-
stand that copying copywrited software recently became a felony. That's
the kind of law I like: millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans made
into felons overnight. Sound familiar?
	-Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Subject: Re: reality?
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:34:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.222455.6996@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd) writes:
>In our society, American government may appear to be like a big
>corporation, and this would support the idea of the coming of a
>technocracy run by the zaibatsus and such...

There's at least one major difference -- anything the U.S. government 
directly produces is in the public domain.  This doesn't apply to things
the government contracts out to private developers (like Boeing and
McDonnell-Douglas, (sp)) but it does apply to things like the images 
sent back by space probes, weather data, and I'm almost sure, all non-war
technology developed in government labs.  Also, a reliable source posted
in misc.writing that government employees are forbidden from receiving
payment for any writing they do.  Thus, there is at least one important
barrier keeping the US government from acting exactly like a large 
multinational. 


-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  LOTFB: Lying On The Floor Bleeding
             
(I didn't write the above.  I left my terminal unattended, and the janitor 
sat on it.)   
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: bOING bOING (was Re: Other cyber/industrial zines)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:34:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.034803.4082@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu (Net Ninja) writes: 
|
|Could you please give info about the following?
|
|2. I keep hearing about this "cyberpunk" zine Boing-Boing... Is this worth
|   checking out?  What is it's focus(es) and how does it differ from Mondo?

bOING bOING is much more of a groundcore level 'zine than the
glossy-eyed Mondo...More of a cp-fanzine really...The last issue I saw
had an interview with Lewis Shiner....Ummm, I guess it's worth it, but
both Mondo and bOING seem to be somewhat lacking in
hardcore-info-presenting...

You might also wan to check out the very worthwhile (but not really
cp) Intertek...Best "lesser-heard-of" magazine I've seen to date, I
think, aside from Steve Brown's great SF Eye science-fiction zine...

Oh, hey, wow, I just noticed you're from Nyx - if you *do* live in
Colorado, you can pick up both Mondo and bOING bOING at any of the
Newsland's in the metro area, if you can't find 'em anywhere else...Or
there's a place up in Boulder (Eads, I think) that'll have 'em....

|Net NINja

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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Post-cascades (was Re: U2)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 11:05:08 EDT
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:

> You multi-cellular organisms think you're so talented!  Humbug!  Try
> typing without any appendages...

Doncha just hate protoplasm slime in the keyboard?


                        --  morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
               Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see.
                   The blind have been blessed with security.
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: B. STERLING
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:45:53 GMT
Organization: BBS

Fast introduction of technology is not cyberpunkj, its Technoshock...

 bliss

The more you you, the more other have to use against you.
From: lucido@ut-emx.uucp (Brad Lucido)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Cyberpunk Anime
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:34:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

A very good "Cyberpunkish" Japanese animated film is called Akira. It is one
of the most famous anime films of all time. 

Another good example of cyberpunk anime stuff is called Appleseed. Also,
Dominion is good. 

For more information on Cyberpunk Japanime, feel free to e-mail me at
excel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu. I run a club dedicated to Japanime.
From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: They Live
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:08:48 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Don't take this too seriously...
I watched "They Live" yesterday...Thinking about it, it sort of had a cp
theme to it--Corporations taking over everything, even the governments,
and the people being beaten into submission by the corps via the media
(although it was kind of subtle in the movie... :) )  This came to mind
'cause someone had mentioned something similar a few days ago.  Oh well,
just an interesting thought...(And no, I don't consider "They Live" to
be even remotely approaching anything almost close to somewhat
cyberpunk.)

Chris
From: wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: 700 CLUB VR
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:54:00 GMT
Reply-To: wendell.martin@the-matrix.com (Wendell Martin)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

While channel surfing, I came across a segment about VR on
The 700 Club(!).  In it, it was explained how computers already
have "evil" programs, such as technoporn and concentration camp
simulations.  Several Christian authors and researchers gave
their views of the potential for VR to destroy values/the
family/religion/etc.

Whom do they interview next but R.U. Sirius!  He gave a
fairly balanced view of VR - it has great potential for
improving communication but will also create electro-couch
potatoes, etc.  The narrator explained that Sirius edits
Mondo 2000, a magazine whose readers call themselves
"cybernauts" or "cyberpunks."  All the while photos from and
covers of the magazine were shown.  He went on to explain that
M2K is considered "The Edge" and covers topics like future
culture, drugs, and sex.

The segment closed with a monologue on the depiction of
Christianity in VR.  Lawnmover Man is cited for having a New
Age scientist hero and showing a priest as dementedly killing
bugs.  Afterward, Pat Robertson explained that no new technology
is inherently evil, but that the potential is there; it all
depends on the author.

So, be careful out there, people.  Pat's worried about you...

Wendell