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When I was 12 I had plenty of friends that had a vertibird
helicopter... a helicopter that went in circles (both clockwise and
counterclockwise).  Does anyone know if these are still sold?

Thanks for the help,

Charles

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From: twriter3@pencom.com (Denise Fischer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent when...
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: twriter3@pencom.com (Denise Fischer)
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Dec19.230054.22734@klaava.Helsinki.FI>  
kkuisman@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Kalle E Kuismanen) writes:
> you find yourself giving a good night kiss not only to your daughter,
> but also to a doll.  Even the cat doesn't get left out , she too must 
> kiss the doll.
> 
> 
> Shannon Kuismanen (mother to Sonia , 18 mons.)

..and to all the imaginary friends: Kendall, Monika,
and Drina...and include them in the prayers...and not
run over their car when you are driving (which I made
the unfortunate mistake of doing one afternoon)...I'll
never hear the end of it!

Denise Fischer (single mom to Ingrid, 4-1/2 years)
twriter3@pencom.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: Re: Love you forever (was Re: Hormonally Enhanced
    <22DEC199212151641@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
    <1992Dec22.175243.4702@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> <10321@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:48:32 GMT

In article <10321@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>
jim@ (Jim Fare) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Dec22.175243.4702@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>>In article <22DEC199212151641@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>>>you really want a good cry try 'Love You Forever', forget the
>>>author right now).
>>
>>Robert Munsch! It is a fabulous book, I kept it by my bedside and read it
>>"Love You Forever'. I started crying half way thru, and continued crying for
>>about a half hour.
>>
>
>My mother saw that book in a bookstore, started reading it and ended up crying
>at the store for 30 min.  She says that she felt so guilty she _HAD_ to buy
>the book.  She gave the book to me and while I was reading it, she started
>crying again.  I also had "a minor eye irritation" while reading it.
>
>Excellant book if you like to be emotionally manipulated by ficticious events
>fabricated by some stranger.  Bah- Humbug!     :-)
>
>                                               [J.F.]
>
>
We (my husband, my daughter Tatijana (2) and my stepdaughter Maya (9) and
me) were shopping when Maya pointed this book out to me.  Luckily Daddy
was at the other end of the store when I read it, and Maya was reading
some other book to Tatijana at the time.  So I had some "quiet" time to
myself to just cry and cry.  ... Had to dry my tears real quick though,
when Daddy showed up , he doesn't cry over books...
I didn't know 9 year olds had such good taste in books...
 
Stephanie
>
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stop Grabbing Your Penis!
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:57:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <4207@eastman.UUCP> majch@kodak.com (Kelly Majchrzak) writes:
>This off the original subject, but does it really feel good at that age??  Do
>3 year olds really have feelings in "down there"??  My 2.5 yo daughter touches
>herself in the bathtub sometimes, but I thought it was because she found 
>something new - like sticking your finger in your bellybutton - not because
>it felt good.
>
>kelly
	Of course it feels good. There nerves and sensations are no different
than in an adult. We certainly don't develop new nerve endings etc as we grow.
Many kinds of self stimulation feel good--but especially where the nerves are
sensitive. Nature built this into us so the species could survive. It is a
natural and normal part of being human. 

KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Celebrating Xmas and Hannakuh
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:40:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.072607.22478@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>Hmm...now since I seem to recall that the story behind Hannukah is that some
>hairball from Greece or Persia came in and tried to destroy Judaism, and
>that after the Maccabees and their followers defeated this guy there was
>only enough oil left for one day in the temple, which miraculously lasted
>for eight days until they could purify more

That's it in a nutshell.  Many non-orthodox students of Jewish history
believe that since many cultures have some sort of winter holiday
involving candles or other flames, Chanukah was probably adapted from
earlier observances.  There is also substantial evidence that the
military victory was being celebrated for years before the oil story
arose.  Some speculate that the rabbis didn't like the idea of having a
holiday based on a war, and added the part about the oil to the story,
so that the miracle involved would be a peaceful one (the military
victory was no less miraculous!).

>you could conceivably get your
>kids' interest by explaining to them that if not for Hannukah, there might
>not have been a Christmas.

How ironic!  I hadn't heard that line of thought before, but you're right.

>But I'm not sure if you really need to try to
>elevate what was a relatively minor holiday in your tradition to the level
>of one that *is* a major one in your husband's tradtion just to feel some
>sort of cultural parity.  No flame here, just my innocent opinion.  In fact,
>maybe it would be good for your kids to see some holidays where the emphasis
>isn't on the gifts, and where what gifts there are are low key.

Sounds good to me.  Purim is really the Jewish holiday where gift-giving,
decorations, parties, etc are more traditionally found.  Costumes for
children are also customary (orthodox Jews don't observe Halloween).

Interesting bit of trivia: the "Christmas" wreath began as a Chanukah
custom!  In the story of the Macabees, it says that after the temple
was rededicated, it was decorated with "crowns".  This sounds a little
weird, until you remember that in those times, a crown was a laurel
wreath.  Wreaths were associated with Chanukah for many years, so much
so that early Christian leaders tried to discourage their use because
of their association with Judaism.  Of course, this eventually flipped
the other way.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: HELP
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:36:39 GMT

In article <C01yv0.9AB@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> phcalama@dial.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Calamai) writes:
>Hi.  I'm about to join the rank of Dads and I need advice

Congratulations!
>
>Questions:
>(1) I'm looking at strollers.  Perego (and other companies)
>offers strollers that become carriages.  Are these hybrid
>models practical?  Are the chassis with the larger non-swivel
>wheels preferable to those chassis with the smaller double
>swivel wheels?  Is a Perego unit worth the extra money?

We have an Emmaljunga stroller that has the nonswivel wheels. We 
originally had an Aprica with the swivels and we wore it out. Our
neighborhood is old, and the sidewalks arent in the best of condition.
When the swivel wheels hit a small pothole, they turn inwards, and
the frame gets jarred. It was pretty trashed by the time my son was 18
months old, but we had put several hundred miles on it. The Emmaljunga 
is now about a year old, and has also had a lot of use. Functionally, it
is as good as new, and that includes me hitting it with my car (I had to
replace one of the wheels). It weighs a ton (30+ lbs), and doesnt fit into
all cars. It is a great stroller if you have a big car, and want to do a 
lot of walking around your neighborhood. We also own an umbrella stroller.

Since I bought the Emmaljunga for a toddler, I didnt buy the model that had
the bassinet. I think the model I had was called the Cargo, and the Viking is
the same one but with the bassinet. Originally I had the bottom of the line
called Kimi, it has a very weird seat, which didnt hold up to Jeffrey's
weight, so the store took it back, and I upgraded. Now I am expecting another
child, I have decided that the bassinet isnt really necessary, since you 
can lower the back of the seat on the stroller, for an infant - just like a
normal stroller.

When I first bought my stroller, I used to look at all the other stroller
that people were using (sort of like when you buy a new car). After I had
problems with the Aprica and bought the Emmaljunga, I started looking again,
but this time I looked at the old ratty looking strollers that were still
usable. For instance, the Aprica was a very common stroller around town 
when I bought it, but now I rarely see the model being used. I suppose a lot
wore out. Emmaljunga and Maclaren strollers are often the rattiest ones I
see.

>(2) I'm also looking are car seats.  Are convertible units
>(infant + toddler) as good (from the babies perspective) as
>having two seperate units?  Are units (either convertible or
>infant) with stay-in-car bases preferable?  Are five-point
>harnesses better than the Y-shaped one-hand fastening restraint
>shield or are the wing-style shields (not the flip-up shields)
>best?

Consumer Resport did a write up on this early this year. You might want
to check it out. 
>

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:16:02 GMT

<1992Dec23.212644.17727@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> giamomj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike G.) writes:
><NELSON.92Dec23140510@cheetah.clarkson.edu> Russ Nelson,
>nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu writes:
>>Compare risks vs. benefits.  Which of the benefits of circumcision is
>worth
>>the (small) risk of emasculation?
>
>You don't get it, Russ....the whole problem with routine circumcision is
>that it's done without the consent of the owner. How would you like to
>have the engine of your soon-to-be-yours brand new car have the cylinders
>burned out from lack of oil before you take ownership? It's an ethical
>thing, man...and if you want a foreskin for erotic reasons, then its a
>sexual one, too.

And the latter (sexual) reason makes it all the more appealing
as a way to ensure the religious morality of your children (compare
female "circumcision").

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:48:50 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Distribution: misc
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

Reid Kneeland writes: 

> the sheer entertainment
> value of the show can spoil kids for real school.  Unless their teacher
> is Robin Williams, school is going to seem mind-numbingly dull after a
> few years of Sesame Street.

You may be right about the show being too fast-moving (I haven't seen
it in years, and don't know), but I'm a little dubious of this
argument.  Isn't school also likely to be mind-numbingly dull compared
with many things normal intelligent parents are likely to do with
their children?  Dick and Jane were mind-numingly dull compared to
the books my parents read to me, and which I read, at home, but I
certainly don't think my parents should have had fewer interesting
books.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:50:15 GMT


Some time ago I posted a summary of a scientific article in a refereed
journal that studied over 1000 home births in Toronto, Ontario and
reported the numbers of transfers, outcomes, and so on. I will mail
the summary out again to those who mail me asking for it: if I get
more than 5 email requests I'll post it.

The bottom line: over 1/3 of the primiparas were transferred to hospital
but far less (10%? can't quite remember) of the multiparas were
transferred. Oh yeah, that's "having a first baby" and "had a baby
before" respectively. One child born at home died; one child born
in hospital of a labour that started at home died, for reasons
completely unrelated to the transfer to hospital or the managment
of the labour and delivery. The first child
was the subject of enormous press attention, an inquest and so on;
the second passed without notice as did the child of a friend of a
friend of mine, born in hospital after a hospital labour, who died
because she picked up an infection in the hospital, at about the
same time as the hullabaloo over the home birth and death.

This study shows that home birth with a trained midwife in a large
city is safe for those women who meet the stringent requirements
to be accepted for a home birth. It can indeed be safer than the
hospital. In Ontario within a few years home birth will probably
be considered normal or perhaps even the norm.

Katei
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Childcare Holiday standards
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:54:01 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Christmas eve and New Year's eve are not usually paid holidays for most
people, so I wouldn't expect it to be a paid holiday for the daycare
provider.  UNLESS it was an agreed upon paid holiday.  My sitter gave
us a contract at the beginning, and it stated all her policies, including
which holidays she'd take, and the pay policy.  In my case, I'm paying
the sitter for three holidays; Christmas eve, Christmas day, and New
year's day.  I'm happy to do it, because I
am very pleased with her care, and she needs the money!

Lynn Cooper  (mom to Melissa, 24 mo)
From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Circumcision etc.
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:09:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

>Sheryl Says:
>
>
>
>1.  Recent studies have shown that circumcised men have less chance of
>   getting penile cancer.

How COMMON is penile cancer? I would think it is quite rare. If one was
to use this argument then since 1 out of 9 women will get breast
cancer in their life all newborn girls should have mastectomies!

>2.   A small number of men have a problem where the foreskin does not grow
>    with the penis.  (I forgot the name of this problem)  In this case a
>    circumcision is medically required.

And how rare is this? Is the occurrence of this problem more or less 
frequent than say complications due to the circumcision itself?

>3.  The older a man gets the more painfull a circumcision is.  My sisters

Hmmmm.... How do you know this? Did someone compare the pain level
of a newborn who was circumcised to the pain of say a 30 year old? 40
year old. How do you know this?

>    boyfriend had to be circumcised when he was in his mid thirties, he
>    was in the hospital for two weeks.  According to my doctor, that is not
>    unusual for a man that age.

He was hospitalized for the pain???? I'm confused. Please elaborate.

I have nothing against anyone who wants to have their son circumcised for
religious regions. I mean, that is the only real reason for
circumcision.  

And that's good enough.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: Just say no: was Sesame Street having "sas
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:16:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.154635.28911@exu.ericsson.se> exusag@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>In article 10620@vtserf.cc.vt.edu, dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:
>>   I was shocked!!!  Has anyone else ever heard of 
>> this?  I could understand it if Thomas had said, in a very nasty tone, 
>> "NOOO" (like he does sometimes), to something I told him to do, but 
>> evidently, this little guy was NEVER allowed to say no to his mother.  
>> What do you all think, isn't it important to let kids know they can have 
>> opinions that don't always conform to others?  Isn't it important to 
>> let them express themselves and convey what they think?  Are they any 
>> of you out there that agree with not allowing a child to say "no"?
>> 
>> Marian Dabay
>> 
>
>
>My oldest son also thinks no is a bad word.  Every time I say no he tells me
>that I can't say that 'cause it's a bad word (thought to him it's okay to tell
>me no). 
>
>I really don't think that the child is never allowed to say no to his mother, but
he probably exaggerates things. 

Let's hope so.  But I hear too many adults talking about how they
can't assert themselves because they were taught never to say "no"
to believe that this doesn't happen with any regularity.

I'm glad that the above posters realize that it would be a harmful thing.


-- 
John Altinbay   -   altinbay@netcom.com
===============================================================
There's a spirit that guides me, a light that shines for me
My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
	<1glhqeINNi59@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
	<1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu>
	<NELSON.92Dec20214732@cheetah.clarkson.edu>
	<1992Dec21.040342.7660@cs.mun.ca>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:05:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.040342.7660@cs.mun.ca> thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:

   nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:

   >In article <1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

   >   So now...what do you have to say to a person who intends to have his kid
   >   circumcised because he looks at his circumcision as *an advantage*?

   >I'd say that you hadn't considered that the circumcision could turn into
   >an emasculation.  It happens, it's scary.  Well, it scares *me* anyway.

   Give me a break, shit happens. This is such a trivial procedure...
   Though I suppose the Doctor(s) might accidently sneeze and remove
   both testicles and a nurses eye in the process.

Compare risks vs. benefits.  Which of the benefits of circumcision is worth
the (small) risk of emasculation?

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:08:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.035144.26011@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>Then, when my mother-in-law found out our decision, she was shocked.
>After all, her three sons had been "cut," her husband was "cut," she
>considered it more hygenic, etc. etc.  She wanted an explanation.

What?? You too??!! I got it from both mom and mom-in-law.

[Lots of valid reasons NOT to circumcise a boy deleted to save space]

>In the hospital when my first son was born, the doctor said something
>like:  "OK, now I'm ready to do the circumcision."  I said, "My son will
>NOT be circumcised."  He replied, "Look, if it is a question of money,
>I'll do it for free."  I told him, "This is a conscious decision, it has
>nothing to do with money.  My son will not be circumcised."


When we told our doctor that our son would NOT be circumcised all she had to
say was, "Damn good choice!"


Stan Knight
|If GOD had intended boys to be circumcised they would be born with scapels|
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Elizabeth's sickness
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:43:02 GMT
Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobs.cs.orst.edu

I don't know if anyone remembers when I posted about my daughter
being sick and asking for advice on what I could do for her, but
she is still sick. She ran a temperature on Christmas Eve, so I
called her doctor, she said to give her Trimincol (1/4 tsp) and
Tylenol for any pain. She got real fussy New Years Eve, and the
Trimincol didn't seem to be working, so we took her in to the ER.
They examined her and we discovered that she an infection in her
left ear, and upper respitory (Cold).  

For the whole time that she hasn't been feeling well, she hasn't
slept through the night, and hasn't been on a good schedule. What
I'd like to know from others that have had their child's schedule
messed up with sickness, is how long did it take for him/her to 
pick it back up?  

We were able to put her to bed while she was still awake, but 
sleepy, and she was eating 3 times a day plus her formula.  Now
she wakes up around 2 or 3am, and doesn't finish her formula  or
her meals.

-Laura (Mommy to 8 month old Elizabeth) Utt
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: How long to deal with a cold before seeing doctor?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:23:23

In article <44192@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes:

   Well, Cherie (12 weeks) has her second cold.
   The first one, I took her to the
   doctor the day after she got it.  They prescribed Ceclor (sp?)
   3x/day for 10 days.  This time, I decided to try and treat it with
   Tylenol and the vaporizer.  She's had this head cold since last Sunday,
   the 20th and it doesn't seem to be breaking.  I think it's time to
   go with the doctor.  She doesn't seem to have an ear infection but I
   think 8 days is long enough.  What's the net wisdom in this area?

I think eight days is long enough too;  in fact I think one day is
long enough for a cold.  Unfortunately the cold virus doesn't agree
with us.

If she doesn't seem any sicker, and she just seems to have a cold, I'd
wait another week.  Lots of times colds last ten to fourteen days.  If
it makes you feel better, call the doctor and ask to talk to the
nurse.  I call my doctor's office all the time and talk to the nurses.
Usually they know the answer.  Sometimes they refer me to the doctor.
It's a lot easier than schlepping all the way to the office and
hanging around with a cranky two-year-old.

-- Anne