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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: condoms
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:04:59 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1eooc0INN4p5@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>condoms?  Weird!   I've heard arguments that men don't like condoms, but I
>don't think I've ever heard one that women don't.

	I've known :-) at least 2 who haven't.
From: annan@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:23:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.women
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <2902@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
...
> Other favorite crocks of mine:  static cling, colognes/perfumes,
> shampoos (not that I don't use it, just the endless varieties all claiming
> to be better), etc.

Why not? After a few weeks, your hair will be in much better condition than it
was before. (Disclaimer: this applies to short hair, I don't have much
experience of long hair.)

-- 
James Annan.
                [--------------------------------------]
                [  "The only good Tory is a lavatory"  ]
                [--------------------------------------]
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:22:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.215624.2642@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>In article <By527E.F9@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>> Repeated violent rape by men of other men, for no reason other than
>> the rape itself, is more indicative of someone who has not come to
>> terms with their own sexuality than someone who has.
>
>Seems like that would make it *more* likely to be a gay person; in a
>predominately straight society it seems it would be is a lot easier for 
>straights to "come to terms with their own sexuality" because there is no
>opposition to it.

Not-gay != straight.  Repressed homosexual desire?  Certainly.  Gay?
You've got to be kidding.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: A GREAT Night for Americans!  (Women especially!)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:34:04 GMT

In article <BxvC1E.A17@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.182823.4046@netcom.com> ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
>>In article <Bxo4GF.CAp@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

>>Although the cause of prostate cancer appears still to be unknown, early
>>detection is, as with any cancer, the key to survival.  Any male over 40
>>who doesn't insist on serum PSA screening as part of regular physical
>>exams is courting disaster.
>
>  I strongly second this.  As someone with a family history of
>  prostate cancer and occasional bouts of prostatitis, I'm
>  high-risk, and I get checked out regularly even though I'm
>  still a few months shy of 40.  

What kind of test is this?  What does PSA stand for?  How expensive
is it (ie. how likely would a doctor recommend it)?

I heard something vague about a very recently developed screening 
technique -- is this it?

twenty-something and curious,

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: Rape and sex related?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:26:44 GMT

No one can show you that all rapes are not related to sex and sexual
desire because that is not true. I would say most rapes are not limited
to sexual desire but that certainly does not exclude sexual desire
altogether. I would say most of any rape is the violent aspect, this
does not mean that is all there is to it.
Whoever would say such a thing has not dealt with the people I have.

-- 
 "Is doggie heaven kitty hell?" Stephanie phoenix(age 6)
 "How does teflon stick to a skillet when nothing sticks to teflon?"
 The words of Mike Warnke .
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:43:08 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <KYTAN.92Nov9125940@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.190743.8606@dragon.acadiau.ca> 891666t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Trish Turliuk) writes:
>>I try so hard, but it is difficult to escape. I fast forward through tv 
>>commercials (with a costly VCR), I tear labels off food items stored in my
>>kitchen, I tear labels off my clothing and don't wear ADs, I listen to CBC
>>(canadian public radio absent of commercials), I try not to look at    
>>ostentatious billboards, I read ad-conscious or adless magazines.........

>Then ignore it!  TV's have "off" switches.  Sit in a lotus position and hum
>mantras/tantras to drown out the ads.  All possibilities, no?  Sheesh.

I think a lot of people are missing the point.  It is really difficult to
live in our society and not be bombarded with advertising.  But the advertising
is a necessary, integral part to a free market economy.

Trish, how did you decide to buy your TV, or VCR?  Chances are you saw
an ad for it.  Why did you decide to buy the particular brand you did?
If you are intelligent, and I assume you are, it was because you thought
it was the best one.  But how did you come to that conclusion?

Where do you go to buy your clothes?  How did you find out about this
place?  Was it, perchance, in an advertisement?  For that matter, how did
you decide to buy the particular brand of clothes you wear, or food you
eat, etc.?

Advertising is a completely, utterly essential part of our economy.  The
problem is that you only want to see the ads that are helpful to you.  It
doesn't work that way; I'm sorry.

Daniel Welch
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: War on Fathers
Keywords: reproductive freedom; ERA; Barbara Ehrhenreich;  The Hearts of Men
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:46:58 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <BxKK4F.G6n@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.093232.10847@walter.cray.com> jsw@cray.com writes:
[...]
> Interesting -- so when we impose Draconian child support measures,
> we force the neediest mothers into deeper poverty (poor fathers can't
> pay) and simultaneously provide the middle-upper class mothers 
> with greater wealth (rich fathers can't run).
> 
> At the same time, we can report greater total dollar amounts 
> of child support being paid.
> 
> And better: wealthy, white, educated, voting mothers can provide 
> a stronger mandate.
> 
> 
> Sounds like trickle-down economics (and its supporters) to me.
> 
> Is anyone sure Bill and Hillary aren't Republicans?
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Don
> -- 
> beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Like I've said, the Anti-Feminist Right hates men more than a feminist  
ever could.  Someone interviewed in Barbara Ehrhenreich's _The Hearts of  
Men_ said that men who refuse their duty to get married and support a  
women should be taxed or garnished and the money redistributed to women  
through a national fund.  When Ehrhenreich pointed put that this is the  
kind of radical income redistribution usually found after a revolution  
"she looked a bit puzzled".  

I used to support the ERA and reproductive freedom out of niceness, now I  
do it out of self defence.

=========SunCat++++     | kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
"There is only one cause of poverty in the modern world:  failure to
 own an adequate supply of capital"
--Louis Kelso
Xref: sparky soc.men:19351 soc.women:19651 alt.abortion.inequity:5123 talk.abortion:48053 alt.feminism:4505
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:15:19 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis) writes:

>In article <1e3jpnINNfdt@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>>
>>How has he devalued the status of motherhood?  At most, he has prevented 
>>his wife from conceiving a child that is biologically his.  That is not to
>>say that they could not agree to otherwise conceive or adopt children.
>>She is not disallowed from raising any children that
>>she may already have.
>>
>>What about a man who knows that he carries a genetic defect 
>>(eg, Tay Sachs) and chooses to prevent biologically fathering children.
>>Has he "devaluated the status of motherhood" of his wife?
>>

>Deception, fraud, behaviour that undermines trust... This is more 
>critical to women than men; women have to beat menopause to the punch. If 
>you've spent x amount of time with someone, perhaps had general discussions 
>about having a family "one of these days", _your_ plans may be utterly 
>trashed if you learn that your partner has been lying\silent\vague about his 
>sterility. 

Can the government legislate trust?  Can the police enforce it?

>As for adoption, adultery, etc.: these are patches for a problem 
>that may not be acceptable to the woman; I'm surprised you suggest them. Am 

I didn't mean adultry.  I meant the couple agreeing to AI or In Vitro 
Fertilization.

>>How about a man that knows he carries a genetic defect

>Fine, as long as he informs his partner. His past actions will affect her 
>life; she has a right to know. 

But can the government force him to tell her, or his doctor to tell her?

>Do you have a right to know if your partner is infected with a STD? The 
>courts say you do. Why? Same logic.

They do?  Not in California!  Could you please post a reference to which
law(s) you mean?  (In particular, how is this law enforced?)

							--  Michal
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.singles,soc.women
From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Strong women in film (was Re: What do you Am men think about Am women?)
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:43:29 -0500

In article <1992Nov13.091451.10054@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:

>I'm saying that I am tired of mainstream films that present lesbians
>and gay men as stereotypes.  Yes, if you see films that target
>lesbigay audiences, you actually see real queer characters.  In
>mainstream films, though, the queer characters are usually comic
>relief or perverts getting murdered or murdering.

Perhaps I would be more affected by the character if it were in stark
contrast to the hets in the film.  But, they are not.  It's not like
they were playing off the non-hets as being the root of all evil.  If
we had a clean, angelic het police officer ridding the city of
bi-homosexual scum murderers, then it would be a different story... 

amy

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From: starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (starbuck)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Spot the Absurdity
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:04:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <By04n0.5zr@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca- dmcanzi@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi) writes:
-(Article from Kitchener-Waterloo Record, Sep 4, 1992)
-
-	Women's groups plan protests at sex-choice clinic
-
-Vancouver(CP)-British Columbia women's groups say they will stage
-protests if a Toronto doctor opens a sex-selection clinic in
-Vancouver.
-     Amjad Alvi said in an interview Thursday he'll open a Vancouver
-office within a month where parents can choose the sex of their
-children for $500.
-     But feminists say they'll fight him every step of the way because
-of the tendency to select males.

What is wrong with feminists?  What is wrong with feminists?  Has any-
one got any idea what is wrong with feminists?  These women are crazy.
I mean serious crazy.  They can't keep their noses out of other people's
business.  One can see how afraid and paranoid they are of men by their
actions.  It is not their choice if sex selection is available.  They
have absolutely no right to have any say in a couples reproductive 
decisions.  One can see that the feminist is actually after more than
control of their own lives.  The term feminazi fits very well indeed.

This is not an issue.  This type of behavior simply is a example to
us all of how absurd feminism really is.  If this was a single example
then we could all laugh and let it go.  But it is not.  Feminism today
is based on a fear and hatred of men and it has to be stopped.  I think
that men should do everything they can to hinder and stop the feminist
agenda.  I tell you boys it's a gender war. 

-     "We will demonstrate when this clinic opens," said Fatima Jaffer
-of the Vancouver Status of Women.
-     Alvi, 29, a Canadian-born doctor, said he uses a United States
-technique to separate male- and female-producing sperm and artificially
-inseminates the mother.  He claims a success rate of up to 80 per cent
-in determining sex.
-     "Basically he's marketing to the prejudice that already exists in
-our society against women," said Sunera Thobani of Vancouver, head of
-the reproductive technologies committee of the National Action
-Committee for the Status of Women.
-     "The provision of this kind of technology is really disgusting."
-     Thobani called on the federal and provincial governments to ban
-the technology, which she said discriminates against females before
-they're even born.
--- 
-David Canzi

This is rich.  "... discriminates against females before they are
even born."  Ever hear anything so stupid in your life.  I wonder what
their opinion is of women who abort females.  By their logic a women
who aborts a female is discriminating aginst females before they
are born.  

starbuck
Xref: sparky soc.men:19780 soc.women:20143 alt.politics.homosexuality:7514
From: xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:06:50 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <By3oCx.9n9@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> In article <1992Nov21.222434.4570@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
> 
>>kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk (K Campbell) writes:
>>
>>>After a recent spate of particularly vicious and violent male rapes
>>>in London ...
>>>comment from leading
>>>criminal psychologists about how it is unlikely that the incidents had
>>>been carried out by gay men.  
>>
>>Doesn't that sort of show homosexual tendancies??  Male penetrating
>>a male??  Sounds gay to me.
> 
> No.  Please acquire a brain before attempting conversation.
> 
> -- 
> ____ Tim Pierce                / 


I agree that there is no *certainty* that the perpetrators of these crimes are
gay, but why is it "unlikely"?   Are gays "kinder and gentler" than other men? 
Gays don't rape?

-xenon
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,talk.abortion
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: Abortion and humanity
Keywords: Fetal Worship
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:03:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.172437.15438@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>In article <s8d1ff8@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
>
>In this corner, we have a human (A) and in this corner, we have another
>human (B), but this human (A) is always more important.  Oh, now I get it.
>

I quote an old but useful pro-choice chant...

A fetus ain't a person until it comes out
That's what birthdays are all about

>Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
>TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM 

Lost Boy

****************************************************
* My voice is hoarse from shouting too many chants.*
*                         -Karen Uru               *
****************************************************

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: llp7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Linda L. Phillips)
Subject: Call for Artwork and Art Papers
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:27:52 GMT

              CALL FOR ARTWORK AND ART PAPERS
               FOR THE SPRING 1993 ISSUE OF
               IRIS: A JOURNAL ABOUT WOMEN


IRIS features articles, original fiction and poetry, art, book reviews, humor,
news, and personal essays focusing on women's issues.  We write for an intel-
ligent and varied audience of both sexes.  We are a non-profit organization,
staffed by volunteers, and publish twice yearly, in November and April.

If you are interested in contributing to IRIS, please submit two clear copies
of all manuscripts, and use language sensitive to differences in gender,
sexual orientation, and race.  Follow the parenthetical MLA style.  Final
decisions rest with the editorial board.  Send SASE if you wish your work
returned.

Original artwork should be submitted in the form of high quality black and
white prints or halftones.  We welcome work pertaining to women's issues
and women's involvement in the arts, and are particularly interested in
featuring experimental, less conventional work.

Art features may be reviews, interviews, or essays on contemporary or
historical artists working in any media.  Features should be 500-1000 words,
typed and double-spaced, and include black and white prints or halftones of
the work discussed.

                     SUBMIT FIRST DRAFT OR ABSTRACT BY JAN 8 1993

                          ADDRESS ALL CONTRIBUTIONS TO

ART OR ART FEATURES EDITOR,IRIS,BOX 323 HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER, UNIVERSITY
OF VIRGINIA, CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA  22908    (TEL) (804) 924-4500

Xref: sparky soc.men:19407 soc.women:19723 alt.abortion.inequity:5133 talk.abortion:48148 alt.feminism:4551
From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:17:07 GMT
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA


ef>In article <forb0004.59.721688277@student.tc.umn.edu> forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis) writes:
dk>In article <1992Nov10.230421.15201@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
 
dk>Husbands and wives talking may be a good thing, but is it worth 
dk>letting government get involved to ensure they talk?  We would all
dk>have to give up much of our privacy to ensure this.  I have had 
dk>a vasectomy.  If I were to ever marry, I think it should remain
dk>my choice if I do or don't inform my wife of this fact.  I very
dk>much oppose someone using force of government into my personal
dk>decision.
 
ef>Hey ladies, this is _great_! How do you like it when the shoe's on the other 
ef>foot? Marry this character and you may not find out for years that you won't 
ef>be able to have children. His decision dramatically alters your life, yet 
ef>he denies you your right to know of such decisions. Without saying as much, 
ef>he has drastically devalued the status of motherhood; yours isn't worth even 
ef>the pittance of keeping you informed.

When I posted this, I kind of figured that there would be some fool that 
would have trouble understanding the difference between doing something 
because you believe it is the right thing, and doing something because 
the government is forcing you to do it.  Was I ever surprised when the
fool that didn't understand the difference was also someone with no clue
on how to use an editor.  I guess being clueless in one area can at times
result in cluelessness in other areas. 
 
Why don't you give a shot to answering the question I asked Will?  Is
there any area of your personal life you would rather not have the 
government involved in?  I would assume from your silly little 
paragraph above that you believe the government should force men to
inform future brides of their reproductive ability.  How would this 
be done?  When a man has a vasectomy, would their name go in a 
nationwide database that could be checked prior to marriage?  
Would you also include laws saying you must inform future 
spouses about sexual problems, appetites, or dis-functions?  Should
there be a governmental enforced checklist along with lie 
detector tests prior to marriage?

What would you say is the value of motherhood Eric?  I would 
guess it is something you know as little about as you know about
editors. 
 
Dan King
From: xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Androphobic Politicians
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:31:45 -0500
Summary: a modest suggestion
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Since all of the terms for man-hating based on greek words (androphobia,
misandry, misanthropy) seem to be lacking, maybe we could coin a word based on
the latin word for man... we could call it homophobia... ;)

Ooops... i guess that one has been taken.. *laugh*  

Maybe we should just speak english.  Call it 'man-hating'... i think that has a
lot more visceral resonance.

- xenon

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Subject: Re: MacDonalds' father-friendly ads
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:08:35 GMT

In article <7560140@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)  
writes:
>   I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but MacDonald's is starting  
to
> produce some father-friendly commercials.  I'm sure I don't see all the
> commercials they produce, but the last one involved a boy bringing his
> father in for show-and-tell and ending with "He's my best friend."
> 
>   It's a nice change of pace from the "Mom!  Dad's ironing!" ads.
Yeah, I saw it.  We should thank them.  From boycott to buycott.  I also  
saw a cold medicine ad where dad actually kissed his sick son an number of  
times.

"Divorce dates from just about the same time as marriage. I think that
marriage is a few weeks the more ancient."
	-Voltaire                           kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu

Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism