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From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re^2: NLP and what the .... are we talking about???
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:43:28 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


As a professor of mine put just the other day:

Beware any therapy which tries to "hook" you into their school
of thought, without any flexibility to take into account each
individual's uniqueness and humanity. New therapists, unsure
of themselves and their abilities, are quick to grab any new
theory/technique/school of thought as a means of demonstrating
their own abilities.

This is reason enough to be cautious about such cure-alls
as NLP claims to be. Nothing beats experience and learning.

-John M. Grohol
 Center for Psychological Studies
 Nova University

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Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: simonson@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Simonson)
Subject: Re: God and Omnipotence
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:13:48 GMT

     In article <BvrMuG.H0y@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> hausner@qucis.queensu.ca
(Alejo Hausner) writes:

>Why should God obey logic?  Proving he exists or doesn't exist, using
>logic to say that he has or lacks some quality, all these things rely
>on human logic.  If God is all powerful, why should we be more
>powerful than him by constraining him to what we puny humans can
>conceive of?
>
>God is whatever the hell he wants to be.  We're just little mortals
>with pretensions of divinity.

     This looks like a fine display of human logic right here, Alejo.  So
obviously it can't be right.

     Actually, God with Her/His superior wisdom has come to the conclusion
that She/He only has omnipotence on Tuesdays, and can't do anything at all
the rest of the week.  Don't try to figure it out; as Alejo says it is
useless to try to understand God's wisdom.  :)

                                     ---Kevin
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From: gschlesi@scott.skidmore.edu (gabriel schlesinger)
Subject: re: Descartes
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:46:44 GMT

It's interesting because I was having the same problem with this point
just last week.  I find the contradiction to be in the fact that when
he talks about existance beforehand, he can only prove that his "mind"
exists (I don't need to go into that do I?) but then he says God
exists because he can imagine the existance of god.  Therefore
everything exists because don't we all imagine things.  (people who
aren't there at the time, dreams, dogs etc. etc.) so shouldn't all
those things be true.  But obviously they're not, and Descartes would
agree since he said that we can't be sure of anything except our own
existance.

My own speculation:  Descartes couldn't get away with saying "There is
no God" so he came up with a bad proof for it.  Basicly most
philosophes of the time were Deists but when you say "We can only
believe in things which are definately proven to exist" you can't get
by with the Deist party line.
					-Gabe (hope I helped, or at
least didn't mess up my facts).
From: simonson@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Simonson)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: God and Omnipotence
Summary: Determining that we will not choose badly does not rule out freedom.
Keywords: god omnipotence omniscience omnibenevolence freedom
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:33:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


     In article <1992Oct9.093519.11324@waikato.ac.nz> sma@waikato.ac.nz
(Stephen Anderson) writes:

=ken bell writes:
...
=> Also it is highly questionable whether an entity could be omnigood, if
=> this entails that the property of goodness is something which could be
=> possessed to an infinite or maximal degree.  I am inclined to think
=> that goodness does not admit of infinite degrees, but I'm not prepared to
=> argue for that.
=
=But surely, if God has determined that we cannot choose badly the he has
=restricted our choice.  And by doing so he has restricted our ability to atain
=freedom.  Another logical dilemma.

     I'm not sure it's as simple as that.  Let's say God is aware that if
She/He creates universes Universe_1 thorugh Universe_n, then in only one
of those universes, say Universe_k, will the first resident of the uni-
verse choose to eat an apple out of a particular tree.  This is not due to
God creating that resident to eat that apple, but rather because God, with
Her omniscience, knows that given the environment that comes with Uni-
verse_k, and given the kind of being that that resident is, the resident
_will_ make that choice.

     If God then decides to create Universe_k and none of the other n - 1
universes, is God restricting the resident's freedom?  I think not.

                                     ---Kevin
From: dsimkins@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: GOOD and EVIL
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:54:44 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct13.221648.11898@raven.alaska.edu>, fxlof@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Liam O Forbes) writes:
> In article <1992Oct12.230130.19022@raven.alaska.edu>  
> fxpcd@ix.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Peter Dolan) writes:
>> God is responsible for every  
>> action... I am responsible for all of my actions.  Does this mean I am  
>> God?  
>  
> 	It is a rather common belief amung various groups that if you read  
> the bible and try to comprehend what it means sentance by sentance, i.e.  
> read for comprehension in a literature sense rather than religious, one  
> possible interpretation that begins to emerge is the message that the here  
> and now is heaven and we ARE God, each and everyone of us.  Read the  
> Lord's prayer.  (I don't have it with me good Catholic that I am :-))  I  
> think inferences are made to such an idea. In fact I lean towards that  
> interpretation more and more the more I see and study things. 

Which groups?  I think that this is a Christian Scientist belief.  It is 
certainly a Scientologist belief to some extent -- probably with different 
language (not to imply that the two are related).

In any case, if this is heaven and we are god, we are in quite a bit of 
trouble  I can tolerate the Nietzschian/Existentialist assertion that we 
are god, but how does this world fit well into any definition of heaven?  
Perhaps a Hegellian could argue that this world contains the potential to 
be heaven, but I imagine even that would be difficult to defend.

David Simkins
dimkins@earlham.edu
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Right to Kill
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:57:41 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

 
Mikhail Zeleny is already running short of words :->
Answering public messages by private threats:->:->:->
 
> In article <10292279.77102.19750@kcbbs.gen.nz> you write:
> >
> >  
> >> It is to be hoped that Mr Rushdie, as well as some of his numerous Western  
> >> defenders, in this forum and elsewhere, will see fit to contribute towards  
> >> the elimination of the continued threat against his life, which also  
> >> constitutes a menace for the cardinal principle of Western culture, the  
> >> idea of freedom of expression.  I sincerely hope that all participants in  
> >          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
> >  
> >Hey Mikhail!  
> >you should very well know by now that the idea of "freedom of expression"  
> >is just another idea out of basketfull of ideas for us unless you reveal   
> >more about the machinary behind it. We need MORE REVELATIONS from YOUR BOOK   
> >of BOOKS Man! BRING YOUR BOOK ! so that we can compare it word to word,   
> >and see how far you can endure exercising your "freedom of expression"...  
> >Yes Mikhail, I am challenging you :->Don't forget to bring by the  
> >revelations of Rushdie with you.  
> 
> Well, send me your seconds then.  Pistols at 75 meters is my choice.
 
Hey Mikhail, how can you silence words by pistols Man ! 
What happened to your:->
 
;->->> the cardinal principle of Western culture, 
;->->> the idea of freedom of expression.  
 
> >Here you are Mikhail, throw your artifacts like the magicians of Pharoah..  
> >Here is your once in a life time chance....don't miss it Man !  
> 
> I assure you that I won't miss.
> 
> >> the current debate would agree that this action makes the situation more  
> >> fair and equitable.  
 
> >> mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu  
 
ya pipi, ya pistol ha ?
From: fxlof@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Liam O Forbes)
Subject: Re: re: GOOD and EVIL
Reply-To: fxlof@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:16:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.230130.19022@raven.alaska.edu>  
fxpcd@ix.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Peter Dolan) writes:
> God is responsible for every  
> action... I am responsible for all of my actions.  Does this mean I am  
> God?  
 
	It is a rather common belief amung various groups that if you read  
the bible and try to comprehend what it means sentance by sentance, i.e.  
read for comprehension in a literature sense rather than religious, one  
possible interpretation that begins to emerge is the message that the here  
and now is heaven and we ARE God, each and everyone of us.  Read the  
Lord's prayer.  (I don't have it with me good Catholic that I am :-))  I  
think inferences are made to such an idea. In fact I lean towards that  
interpretation more and more the more I see and study things. 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 19:25:07 -0400 
From: David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System

[Total bilge deleted]

I hope to hell you don't believe this, because if you do I can make a few
sad predictions about your future.....

David
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Subject: Re: Latest rumors
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:12:43 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <Bvzp50.B2y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, elbel@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Elbel) writes:
> klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
> 
>>Latest news from my WTS (Well-Trained Spies:
> 
>>John Kricfalusi has been hired by Disney Studios to direct their
>>new 'Rescue Rangers' movie.  "He will be given a large amount of
>>creative control," they say.
> 
> YOU'VE GOT TO bE KIDDING.

In "Film Threat," he says he hates Disney!  Why would he be sleeping with the
enemy?

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Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:03:15 -0400 
From: Nathan Lee Segerlind <ns2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Jehovah" TRIBE OF SPACE CANNIBALS
	<1992Oct10.165547.648@merk.com>

Responding to the post claiming that Jehovah was the leader of a tribe
of space cannibals would be a waste of time,  as the post was obviously
totally...  incomplete.

	There are many details left out of this long and sordid theopera, for
example,  why would a space cannibal strike down Onan for spilling his
seed?

The Aliens See You When You Wank Your Crank
Nathan Segerlind
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 23:26:05 -0400 
From: Court Demas <court+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System

Excerpts from assocs.collegerepublicans: 6-Oct-92 Russia's OPERATIONAL
Starwa.. mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu (13497)

>                  RUSSIA'S OPERATIONAL STAR WARS DEFENSE SYSTEM
> <blah blah blah>

"Huh?"

-court
From: mep@phoenix (Marko Poutiainen)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: KGB
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:00:44 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


I would like to hear the latest news of KGB. I heard it doesn't exist
any more, but what happened to the workers etc ?
And is there a better group for this letter ? e.g. alt.politics.kgb ?
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From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: "Jehovah" TRIBE OF SPACE CANNIBALS
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:39:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.165547.648@merk.com>, brennan@merk.com (Rich Brennan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.104334.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.190856.1426@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>>[much nonsense deleted]
>>> 
>>>                                    Robert E. McElwaine
>>>                                    B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
>>
>>[point by point rebuttal to nonsense deleted]
>>
>>Are you by any chance Islamic?
>>--Ray Cote
> 
> 
> No, I believe he's f*cking insane, as you are to make such a comment. You
> might want to find out if Rushdie has a spare bedroom :-).
> 
> 
> 
> Rich

I only asked because he seemed terribly anti-Jew.  So why does that make me
"f*cking insane"?
--Ray Cote
Newsgroups: talk.rumors,rec.arts.animation
From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Subject: Re: Latest rumors
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
	<1992Oct12.201927.20331@bnr.ca>
	<1992Oct13.143754.14225@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:30:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.143754.14225@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
   And now,
   the home company is busy re-editing "Fantasia", according to all reports.

Well, I understand this was the original idea: re-release it about every
five years, with some sections redone to new music.  I just hope they don't 
mess it up, but produce something as good as the original (I'm afraid that
the part to go will be the "scary" parts like the nite on bald mountain --
specially because of the demon).
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From: dwdyer@polari.online.com
Subject: New Cabinet Post!!!
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:36:50 GMT

I heard Bush mention (during the Sunday debate) that he relied on the advice of
two men, Gen. Colin Powell, and "Dick Secretary Dick Cheney."

Does this mean Cheney is to be Secretary of Dicks?  Or did Bush leave out "Defense"
and Cheney is to be Secretary of Dick Defense?  Would he be in charge of all
jock straps in the US?

Men, protest this!!  Tell the government to get out of your shorts and get on
the stick!  (And off yours!))
-- 
                 Wayne Dyer --- dwdyer@polari.online.com  
  "I mistrust all systematizers and I avoid them. The will to a system
      is a lack of integrity."  -Nietzsche, _Twilight of the Idols_ 
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
Subject: Re: MCelwre may not be sane
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:08:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.182154.1585@cnsvax.uwec.edu> bakerdj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>Robert Mcelwere is from my university at UW-EC. He is rumured to be mentally
>unbalanced. He actually believes all of this stuff he writes. Please read his
>post for the entertainment value only.
>
>Dan the curious one

But I can substantiate what he says.  During the recent Lunar Eclipse, while
the moon was in the shadow of the earth, one could clearly see the Soviet -
Oh, excuse me - Russian Lunar Stations.  Their lights were clearly
distiguishable, about 10 of them as I recall.  Two were horizontal about
1/3 from the "top" of the moon, one was centered, and the remaining 7
formed a rough semicircle paralleling the bottom arc.  Looked roughly
like:  (forgive the ASCII artistry)


	  *******
        *  .   .  *
        *    .    *    * = Outline of moon
        *         *    . = Russian Lunar Stations
        * .     . *
        *  .....  *
        *         *
	  *******


Indeed, the face looked reminicent of Elvis  ...or were my eyes deceiving me?

-Rick.
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Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia   -But I speak for myself
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From: 17158DA@MSU
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: birthday greeting
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:43:16 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

I'm not sure if this is the correct bulletin board for this request, but
since I like this board the best, here goes.  My friend and coworker, Kel,
(he's a guy) is having a birthday this Saturday, and he would get a
kick if you sent him a birthday greeting.  Send it to:
17158ku@msu.edu
You can send it anytime starting now.  Thanks for being sports!
-Donna
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From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors,alt.tv.ren-n-stimpy
Subject: Latest rumors
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:16:07 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Latest news from my WTS (Well-Trained Spies:

John Kricfalusi has been hired by Disney Studios to direct their
new 'Rescue Rangers' movie.  "He will be given a large amount of
creative control," they say.

l8-r, spies!

-- 
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klein@frith.egr.msu.edu|  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton 
Newsgroups: talk.rumors,alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: NSA greps the net?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:04:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.053607.27272@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mitchell.Porter@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
>Where did the story that the NSA greps all of Usenet come from?

If they're smart, they probably use egrep or agrep, like your humble narrator.

							-- K.

Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: Mitchell.Porter@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: NSA greps the net?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:36:07 GMT

Where did the story that the NSA greps all of Usenet come from?

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Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 18:24:57 -0400 
From: "Jason E. Troilo" <jt3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System

That message is absolutely absurd. If Russia had such technology at that
point in time, they certainly would have used it more effectively
against the United States. The TRUTH is that Russia's failure to keep up
with the West technologically speeded the decline of the "Evil Empire."

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 00:11:28 -0400 
From: Nathan Lee Segerlind <ns2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System



    You all saw it... Was this some kind of joke?  Are people really
this paranoid? 

    Oh well,  I found it rather funny (yes, Dave Byler, I am a communist
infiltrator trying to cow true Americans by luring them into laughing at
this SERIOUS THREAT)  I also love articles that use lots of CAPITAL
LETTERS.

NATHAN SEGERLIND

SCREW THE RUSSIANS---  THE ILLUMINATI RUN THE PENTAGON!!!

Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: mike@meiko.com (Mike Stok)
Subject: Re: NSA greps the net?
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:34:25 GMT

In article <AerkdD_00WB89FCK86@andrew.cmu.edu> lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio) writes:
>The NSA began to grep the net after they discovered that some of us were
>sending secret messages in Rot-13. I understand they can decode it now.
>
>-Anonymous

This is why the Rot standard was limited to 13, had the encryption
been Rot-17 (using an extra bit) then it would have been uncrackable
using todays technology.  It's all a conspiracy, when ol' H. Ross
Dumbot (is "all ears" a Walt Disney trade mark, or will Disney just sue
about the look & feel of his ears - was it Mickey or was it Dumbo?)
has all of you having electronic town meetings then we can get down to the
serious business of weeding out subversives based on the time it takes
them to vote (the "right" way) on things like capital punishment,
turning poor people into fertiliser so they can be productive etc.

Now I'm off to stimulate the economy by buying some beer... 12 years
of trickle down will teach me to unbuton my flies *before* pissing.

Ho hum,

Mike (bemused foreigner)
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Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 15:49:07 -0400 
From: Nathan Lee Segerlind <ns2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MCelwre may not be sane
	<1992Oct7.140853.3214@sadtler.com>

It makes sense now....

			  The post the you fellows got inadvertently was intended to go to a
local paranoid-right-wing B-Board I post nasty messages on.  Some clever
devil (that I much admire)  crossposted the Russian Space weapons
message to their b-board and I was trying to get a response from the
John Birch types.

	However,  it the mistake did lead me to this way-cool B-Board.


Nate Segerlind
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: charlie@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Charlie Channel)
Subject: Re: Russia's OPERATIONAL Starwars Defense System
Organization: Stanford U
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:36:09 GMT

Well, now we know why they went bankrupt.

C

Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Slick Willie & the KGB
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:50:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.182935.18317@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) writes:
> 
>      Anyone hear about a story in the Washington Post about Bill Clinton and
> the KGB?
> 
>      Evidently, in 1970 when Bill was in England he toured Europe- and one of
> his stops was the Soviet Union. His escort around Moscow in their limo? The
> KGB. The KGB attempted to recruit the young Clinton to be an anti-war organizer
> in the U.S. when he returned.
> 
>      This was reported by Richard Dorrin (sp?) of California, and was in
> Sunday's Washington Post.

Actually his visit was so that he could be recruited into the KGB itself. 
Wouldn't they just love to have a KGB agent as president of the US?
--Ray Cote
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