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From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Latin (was Re: coming out to my parents)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:06:31 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <9232513.21145@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL) writes:
> nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
> >eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
[...]
> >>But, isn't it "mihi", not "michi", that it would be if it weren't "mei"?
> 
> >Not necessarilamente. Mediaeval Latin, Piglet, and that's what actually
> >gets used in the manuscripts (and so Tim tells me, that's how you pronounce
> >_mihi_ in Church Latin anyway. Freaky...)
> 
> Only in Tudor English pronunciation of Church Latin, or so *I'm* told. And
> it's written "mihi" anyway...  Personly, I think we should just listen to some
> recordings of the period.... :)

I don't know! It's *certainly* "mihi" in Classical Latin, pronounced "me hee".

> [...]
> 
> >>I'm so *confused*!!
> 
> >Hoc non mirabile est, quia *bisexualis* es! :)
>                            ^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't this be bisexuala ?
>                            (You can't escape gender in Latin... :)

Nope - third declension adjective has masculine and feminine forms identical.
Whether or not "bisexualis" *should* be third declension is another matter...

Incidentally, gender *can* be escaped in Latin. Some nouns had equivalent forms
in masculine and feminine - others, of course, used the neuter. The biggest
oddity was Latin for a sailor being "nauta", which is masculine, but treated
in all respects as a feminine noun. Is this where the expression "Hello,
sailor" comes from? (-8

--Clive.

(PS: Translation of above Latin fragment would be "This isn't surprising, given
 that you're bisexual!", in case anyone's wondering.)
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Looking bi? (was Re: coming out to my parents)
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:06:08
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: sthor@ctp.com's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.153149.23717@ctp.com> sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
>In article <s882916.721962102@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>>etc etc." Plus everyone says I don't look like  a dyke!!!???!!!!!! And this is
>>Dykes who say this. 

>Okay, so here's a question - why is it that gays and lesbians seem to
>believe that every one who is *not* het shouldn't *look* het.

To the point, sometimes, of not openly going around with motos, since
that makes you "look het."  Bleah.

>I mean really!  I look like the average
>girl-next-door, and quite frankly, that's also the kind of woman I am
>attracted to.  I don't believe that makes me any less bi than someone who
>"looks" lesbigay.

Yup, yup, yup.  Me too, on all counts.  (Well, I don't think the average
girl-next-door wears black most of the time, but I just can't stand
pastels...*grin*.)

It would be neat if there was a way of "looking bi."  However, I don't
think I, personally, would conform beyond pins and t-shirts and such
anyway...I like the way I look and dress.  Still, that changes over
time, and if there was some way of looking bi, I might slowly adopt more
of that look, if I thought it suited me.

I figure that I *should* "look bi" if I go around with a man on one arm
and a woman on the other...*grin*...and it's *fun*, too!  Unfortunately,
having done this, I find that people *still* tend to take that as "a man
with two women (wink wink nudge nudge)," even when *I* am in the middle.
Bleah again.

Muffy

--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:36:54 GMT
Organization: Glad to be Sad

In article <1992Nov23.170326.20781@infodev.cam.ac.uk> MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams) writes:
>Hmm... Let me think. Large numbers of men dressed up in ludicrous amounts of
>supports throwing themselves at each other and then stopping for a break every
>time it gets started. The entire thing never actually getting anywhere; too
>much advertising; over inflated egos; complete lack of action; totally
>unintelligible rules and no-one on this side of the atlantic understanding it.
>
And you prefer cricket?  (So speaks the rarest of breeds, a fan of both
American football and cricket.  I guess I just like long drawn-out
struggles with intricate sets of rules....)

--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk  | There's nowt |"And in this moment, I need to be needed
(and elsewhere)  ___ | so queer as  |"When my self-esteem is sinking,
                 \X/ | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:02:17 GMT

pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:

>s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>By the way, the e-mail address in your header is *still* hug-proof. 

What, are you referring to otto.bf.rmit.oz.au?

(Consider that one a community service :)

(Tim: it *is* 'mei', not 'michi'. Yes, I know it doesn't parse. Mediaeval
Latin; whaddaya expect? :)

 %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%   %%%
non me tenent vincula, non me tenet clavis, % (nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au)
quaero mei similes et adjungor pravis.      % Nick Nicholas, striver, EE&CS,
      --- Archipoeta, _Confessio_.          % Univ. of Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Hi! I'm back.  Still need catalogs.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 20:55:18 GMT

andreaf@bonnie.Rational.COM (Andrea Frankel) writes:
: Wow!  I get busy/sick for two weeks, and there are 769 (!) messages
: in this group!  My, my, my, we *are* a verbal bunch...

That's *oral* bunch, m'dear :-)  But some of us were wondering (aloud)
where you had gone to ...

: Other than GV, does ANYONE have any mail order catalog sources for
: leather toys, BDSM props, etc.?  I asked once before, got no response
: (but several people asked me to mail them a summary!).  

Pots and kettles, I know, after my recent irrelevancies, but surely
a.s.b is the better place for that request?  Do you get alt groups at
your site?  (If not, there are fixes.)  It's not that long since someone
posted details for a company called "Bondage, James Bondage" over there,
and this was just one example ...

>hugs< and >smooches< returned
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:00:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.122530.18097@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>	To date, no one has yet discovereed a drug that ``cures'' any
>	_one_ male sexual dysfunction for most men, let alone all the
>	separate steps involved in healthy sexual functioning: desire,
>	arousal, erection, orgasm, ejaculation, plus sperm production.
>	The day someone discovers a drug that reliably cures even one of
>	thes male dysfunctions for a majority of patients, not only will
>	the inventor or drug company become fabulously wealthy (people

That's out of date - about two years ago they came up with something
which when injected at the base of the penis causes an erection.  Not
for the faint-hearted!  Only works on certain kinds of impotency I think.

They also put plastic rods in some to give a bit of permanent springiness -
I hadn't heard of the remote-control one you mentioned.  Maybe worth
asking on alt.folklore.urban as you suspected.

G
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Calling Elf
Organization: Motorola
Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:56:20 CST


Elf, please e-mail me as I wish to have a chat.
(My system won't let me don anything else but post on the
 boards & responsd *after* someone contacts me!)

Eddie Chandler.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: t-shirt logo (cheap)
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:06:19 GMT


Spotted a good t-shirt today in a mass-market store: my boyfriend went to
London and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.  Subtle, I thought :)

G
(OK, they're usually pretty tacky, but it depends who's wearing it...)
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:39:05 GMT

bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL) writes:
>nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>(Tim: it *is* 'mei', not 'michi'. Yes, I know it doesn't parse. Mediaeval
>>Latin; whaddaya expect? :)
>Nick:
>Did it occur to you that this is a very obscure place to tell me this????

Eeyup. It occured to me. But then, no more obscure than accusing logics of
being testosterone-laden :) . (Oops. Maybe this *isn't* quite the forum 
for me to exclaim "Montague is GOD" after all :)

>Then again, you are pretty obscure.

You, *you*, monsignor Bell, clepe *me* obscure? Watch it sonny Jim (er, Tim :)
I'm gonna out the hidden, superobscure meaning of *your* sig to the world!
Mwahahahaha!

First of course, I'm going to go see the Village People live in my local
disco tonight. Consider it a visit of homage to the roots of my queerness...
or an opportunity to Do The Milkshake!

Nick, striking another blow for content-free postings...

"Kai` sa`n swqh~kan t'akriba` piota`,           N N O  nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
 kai` sa`n plhsi'aze pia` [h [w'ra te'sseres,   I I L  IRC:nicxjo RL:shaddupnic
 sto`n e'rwta doqh~kan eutuxei~s."              C C A  University of Melbourne.
  K.P.Kaba'fhs, _Du'o Ne'oi, 23 E'ws 24 Etw~n_  K H S  *Ceci n'est pas un .sig*
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:28:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.140437.15513@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>There is the particular problem that it is difficult to "look" bisexual.

Try going to the office christmas party with an SO of each sex :-)

G
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:16:13 GMT

In article <By09Du.8C0@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) w
rites:
>In article <1992Nov16.233755.24220@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sconley@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Icky White Male) writes:
>>
>>So, with respect to all that, fuck you, I don't care what you think.
>>
>>sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>
>And with respect to you, a big kiss for being so damn self reliant.
>:)
>Jim, who is really trying to catch up.
>BTW, it maynot have been jon but rather steve I referred to in an
>earlier post. oops to both involved.
>Sloppy drunken hugs.

Now _that_ made my day! :-)  Thank you, Jim, for saving me from an
otherwise depressing and lonely afternoon.

Steve
Sloppy drunken hugs returned with vigor :-)
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Homophobic garbage
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:28:12 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

In article <1992Nov14.172530.15394@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>By defining female as the
>"logical not" (opposite) of male, the program is embracing a dicotomy,
>and leaves no room for the notion of transvestites or transexuals etc.
>Definitely won't get past a PC compiler.

Chromosomally speaking, we should be defining male as a variant of
female rather than vice versa...
  __                                ____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul"   \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Hissing...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:00:40 GMT

   I, and three other gentlemen I know (two of whom I'm rather hot for
:-) gave a presentation panel on "Computers and sex," or, as I put it,
"How UNIX got me laid."

   Somewhere along the way our host asked her infamous question, "What
do you get out of this?"  And after the others had gone, I said "Well,
Usenet made me queer..."

   I got hissed at by four women in the front row.  I ignored them and
went on with my commentary, discussing how you don't know anything
about the person on the other side of the screen, and how this isn't
*anything* like a personal ad because networks allow for long,
involved, and yet very self-secure and self-exposing dialogues before
you actually meet the person, if you ever meet at all... and how, in
the course of one of these, I realized that I *cared* for the man on
the other end and I wanted to show him how much I cared...

   From *my* perspective, Usenet gave me the safety and security to
realize that I could love _people_, no matter what they were.  It
dragged me out of my safely heterosexual shell.  I _let_ the process
happen, but I didn't necessarily go looking for the process.  I didn't
_want_ to be bisexual, I just didn't fight it when I realized where my
thoughts were taking me, at 24 years of age...

   One of the women took me to task afterwards, telling me that I was
born this way, and that the contacts I had made only showed me the
'truth of my existence.'

   Now wait.

   This is _me_ we're talking about.  She wasn't there, she didn't see
the process.  How *dare* she tell me she knows better than I what went
on in my head during my coming out?  How *dare* she assume she knows me
better than I know myself?  I'd never met this woman prior to tonight!

   *Sigh*

   Another Elven Rant 'n Rave (tm) (c) Elf !!!
-- 
      __        |
      \/        |                2 Corinthians 4:4
Elf Sternberg   |
elf@halcyon.com |
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:29:58 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:

>sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
>> I ran into a completely different sort of fish-out-of water feeling on
>> Monday when, for the first time, I went along to the regular University
>> LesBiGay meeting/social.
>Hmm. Somthing I can't say I've ever bothered doing. [...]

>There are definitely two distinct sets of lesbigays in Cambridge - the
>politically motivated, and the others. I never, ever, get involved in the
>politics of sexuality - hence never turning up to the abovementioned meetings.
>I see sexuality as something to do/be, rather than something to hold political
>opinions about.

I'm afraid if you believe it should be legal, that's a political opinion.
Everything is political. You can't escape having political opinions. That
isn't the same as being politically motivated.

It's fine with me not to be politically motivated (if rather sad in this
sort of society), but to deny the importance of politics, I just can't
agree with.

> OK, so there are prejudicial bits of legislation out there, but
>I know plenty of heterosexuals who dislike them just as much as lesbigays, but
>are put off by political hackery from supporting the cause.

Are you saying we shouldn't dare take action against the prejudicial bits of
legislation in case it's seen as political hackery?

Labelling any kind of political activism as hackery sounds to me like a
cop-out to excuse yourself from following your conscience and getting
involved. In any case there are other ways to be active besides what you
see as "hackery".


/jon
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 / J.W.Harley@ncl.ac.uk \/ /  It's the beginning of               // // //////
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From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: No subject
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:07:26 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <By1Hz7.662@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> In article <1992Nov20.154237.11411@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:
> >
> >(Recent subtle change to my .sig due to someone pointing out that
> >the Powers That Be might not be happy about my including my American
> >e-mail address....)
> 
> Duh wot?  No way!  Tell us more!

Oh drat! I just drafted a followup commenting on this, and then binned it,
thinking that nobody would be interested. (-8

The Computer Service here has recently issued some dark mutterings about
pornographic material going through its systems. nyx.cs.du.edu is/was a source
of such material. Several Cambridge users have accounts there. Draw your own
conclusions.

I have an account (crjones@nyx.cs.du.edu), but I only use it to read alt.lycra,
which only just seems to be getting through here in Cambridge.

--Clive.
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: "what other people think" (was Re: New Age Androgynous Bise
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:34:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Nov12.192346.24426@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <MU
  <1992Nov16.231919.23826@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
  <BxwrIo.L2L@newcastle.ac.uk>

Have been in hibernation for some time. The beginning of the Christmas Season
does that to me. But I have been reading this group. And I just read something
that scares the hell out of me.

Someone, objecting to Elf's dislike of androginous men, refered to the 
expression of an opinion as an action equivalent to Oppression.

Does this bother anyone else, is it just me? 

The only way to prevent "bad" opinions from being "expressed" is to censor 
them. And sometimes to shut someone up, extreme messures are needed.

And this is the problem I have with the whole PC movement. Like all politcal
theories, it has a good set of rhetoric. Intorlerance of intolerance, I can
hang with that. That sounds cool. Diversity in culture, taking care of the 
planet, ect. This all sounds cool.

But very quickly, they turn into something very rotten. They become oppresive.
Not to the same people who were oppressed before, but to a different group. 
They want to enforce their ideas with the weight of law. And for most of them,
they just wnat to right the wrongs.

But in the end all it means is the game is the same, just the players have 
swapped parts. In the end, they all become oppresive, and all they've done is
trade rhetorics.
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: crackpots in the bi group
Date: 21 Nov 1992 17:03:00 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com


|>    We have some who are a little strange...  From a lovely 50-y-o
|> grandmotherly lesbian who just knits to a tall, thin, reedy guy who
|> says "I could NEVER sleep with a man, but I understand the politics of
|> bisexuality, and I believe in them.  That's why I'm here.  But actually
|> having sex with a man... just thinking about it makes me ill."
Huh?  You lost me.  What *is* this "knitting" thing that's cropped up lately?
Is it new queer-speak I havn't caught yet?  And what's with this man, anyway?

|>    I'm glad _he_ understands the politics.  That makes one of us...
Very curious, indeed.  Politics of bisexuality?

<head flops over>
<eyes roll back>
and
<mortal confusion sets in>
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: RSR - please e-mail me!!
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:58:46 CST

Roy, please e-mail me as I wish to get back
to chatting with you!!

Eddie Chandler.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:17:21 GMT

In article <iw.722221228@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>
>>"Action"? Deliberately seeking to confront people ("Kiss ins", tying pink
>>balloons to lampposts, etc.) is something I resent, as I see it turning people
>>off to lesbigay. Going through normal political channels, I don't mind, although
>>I haven't the energy for.
>
>I don't see it turning people off lbg concerns, I see it as exposing
>peoples true opinions.  If hets can`t stand the sight of a few queers
>kissing what kind of a chance do we have.  
>
I agree with I. here but only if it is done tastefully.
I wouldn't like to see MOTOSers slipping each other the tongue
in the middle of the day at a football game or something, so in the
same way I don't want to see MOTSSers doing it either.
But if it is just queers in public, then deconstruct away.:)

>
>Act-up have had a huge influence on AIDS issues.  Radical movements are
>very a important part of political movements, they serve to focus attention,
>and pave the way for the more moderate folks to get things done with
>the establishment.  
>
>Hey its just my opinion, 
>Iseult.

I hear ya all the way :!)
It is the good fag bad fag thing.
Well at least that is how we call it here. :)

Jim, slow but sure
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Hissing...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:17:48 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

>   One of the women took me to task afterwards, telling me that I was
>born this way, and that the contacts I had made only showed me the
>'truth of my existence.'

>   Now wait.

>   This is _me_ we're talking about.  She wasn't there, she didn't see
>the process.  How *dare* she tell me she knows better than I what went
>on in my head during my coming out?  How *dare* she assume she knows me
>better than I know myself?  I'd never met this woman prior to tonight!

Hear, hear!

The essentialist rhetoric associated with the idiot pseudoconcept of
*identity* ("truth of your existence", "who you are", etc. ad naus.)
is, IMAO, a form of bullying & deserves to be punished as such.

I think, however, that in describing this interchange you ought not to
have stressed the sex of your interlocutor ("one of the women", etc.),
as it is truly irrelevant & might be taken as slur on that sex.  Men
are *at least* as much given to that kind of claptrap as women are.

Be brave.
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146