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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Cultural Elite?
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:30:15 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <92239.170834DART@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, DART@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (415) writes:
> 
> So who are the 'Cultural Elite' Bush & Quayle are so fond of
> warning us about anyway?  I *hear* about them all the time,
> yet I know so little about them.  I *hear* Vice President
> McCarthy...er, uh, I mean Quayle, saying that "I know who they
> are, and they know who they are, and the American people know
> who they are.", but somehow I never catch the part where he
> actually says *who* they are!  Has anyone ever caught this
> or am I the only  American who doesn't know "who they are"?

The "cultural elite" are roughly those who have a highly
disproportionate access to influence on educated public opinion: the
overwhelming majority of academics and a clear majority of media
people.  Rather obviously, they are predominantly Liberal.  This is
difficult?

> Seriously now, a man in the position of Vice President of the US should
> have a higher regard for that position than to go around using the power
> of that office to try to divide and indeed polarize people in this country.

They're already divided and polarized, Mr. Dart.  You hadn't noticed?
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From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: More Discussion of Prejudice Against Homosexuality
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
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In article <94759@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
|> ===============================================================================
|> Article: 84713 of alt.sex
|> From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
|> Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.sex.motss,alt.sex.bondage
|> Subject: Re: Interpretations of Bible's view of homosexuality vary
|> Keywords: newspaper article
|> Message-ID: <4947@calmasd.Prime.COM>
|> Date: 25 Aug 92 23:34:13 GMT
|> 
|> 	One thing I can never understand: why are the translations of the Bible
|> so lousy?  Somebody wrote few days ago:
|> 
|> <       The New English Bible, which is considered one of the best scholarly
|> < translations (although unpopular in some circles because it was, by
|> < design, a translation into modern (1960s) British English), reads
|> < 
|> < 	"Make no mistake; no fornicator or idolator, none who are guilty 
|> < either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers
|> < or drunkards or slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God."
|> 
|> 	And THIS is the best scholarly translation??  Why is it that, say,
|> the prose of James Joyce is being edited with such an incredible attention
|> to detail while "best" English Bibles are so lax as to render them almost 
|> useless?  The paragraph quoted above is typical.  The Greek word that
|> got translated here into "of homosexual perversion" is "malakos" which
|> literally means "soft" (clothing, etc.) or "unrestrained"/"licentious"
|> when referring to a person.  It has nothing to do with homosexuality,
|> and the mistranslation is doubly inexcusable as the connotations of this
|> word are well documented beginning with Aristotle.  The OT also displays
|> similar lack of editorial integrity when "qadesh" becomes "sodomite",
|> conveniently glossing over such details as: "qadesh" meant male *prostitute* 
|> at a pagan temple AND it is not even known whether they serviced men at all.
|> 
James Joyce's work was written by him.  There is little question as to
what he wrote and when.  There is little desire to promote an economic
organization (church) based upon his writings.  There are few who will
base their lives upon his philosophies.

The bible is a collection of stories passed down by word of mouth.  There
is no evidence to support any of the supposed statements of god or christ.
There is no evidence to support that if god and christ existed and made
statements similar to those documented, that the memories of the writers
were that good.  Hundreds of churches and millions of followers have
a vested interest in the translation.
_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dogs, never my employers.
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From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:33:37 GMT
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <12021@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> [someone else wrote:]
># Name me a law that tells you who to associate with, what charities to fund,
># or what ideas you can express.  For some reason, I don't seem to be able to
># find any in Texas...

>This is California, where liberals run everything.

Having lived about equal amounts of time in both states, I'd have to
say that liberals "run everything" in neither one.  I certainly
wouldn't call Pete Wilson more liberal than Ann Richards.  Both states
have elected some fairly liberal people over the years, but both
states also manage to elect quite a few people from well to the right
of center.  In California, I'm thinking of people like Konnyu, Reagan,
Dornan, Dannemayer, and Lungren.  In Texas, there's been Gramm, and
Clements, and the almost-elected Clayton Williams.

Perhaps your definitions of "liberal" and "center" differ from those
in common use.  If you define Pats Buchanan and Robertson as
"centrist", then, indeed "liberals" run the entire country.  If we
define "liberal" to mean "evil person who doesn't do things they way I
would", then we'd both agree that "liberals run the country", and each
of us (Clayton and me) would call the other a "liberal".

I was about to say that this is all just a waste of time, but then I
thought of Orwell.

David Chase
Sun
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
Subject: Re: ca.politics...Nuts & Flakes
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:43:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA
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From: stieger@cco.caltech.edu (Ronald David Stieger)
Subject: Re: speed, police, crime, hell
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:32:49 GMT

dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>scaruffi@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Piero Scaruffi) writes:

>[much deleted]
>#
>#     The traffic code certainly lends itself to abuses. Why  must  the
>#     U.S.  have  such  a  low  speed limit? 

>I think that the original reason for the speed limit was to save gasoline.
>If a car drives from point A to point B at a constant speed of 55 mph,
>it burns less gasoline than if it would go 85 mph. This is a result of
>the old F=0.5*m*v^2 rule, as well as certain properties of internal
>combustion engines.

First of all, it's kinetic energy, KE=0.5*m*v^2, not force, but anyway,
keep in mind that the energy the engine burns is not really a function of
the car's speed, but the engine's, i.e., the RPMs.  Every cycle of the 
engine burns a certain amount of gasoline which creates a certain amount of
thermal energy.  I can floor the accelerator while still in park and use
a lot of gas without going anywhere, or even just let it idle, and I'll
still eventually runout of gas.  I think your point is correct, though,
that 55 mph is more efficient that 85 mph, assuming the same gear ratio.




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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: The Bush Record
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:45:52 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <37110@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jlodman@cs.ucsd.edu (Michael Lodman) writes:
]In article <1992Aug20.230625.5560@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
]>Indeed. Give him a Republican Congress and he might well succeed.
]
]...at destroying what little is left of personal liberty in this country.

Unlike the democratic congress which supports such personal liberty issues
as:
  -arbitrary confiscation of property for "environmental" reasons
  -government control of every aspect of america's economy
  -the war on drugs (yeah, the repub's support this too)
  -the tyranny of the tort lawyers.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Elite?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:11:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

 gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>
>  Did anyone besides me see the special report on CNN this last weekend about
>  politics and Hollywood?
 
   No, I don't watch TV.   This is the silliest thing about this argument:
   TV doesn't represent the elite because "the elite", i.e., those with
   the brains and something worthwhile to do, don't waste their time on
   stupid stuff like TV.   (  half 8-)  )
                       

>  One little stat they mentioned was that 76% of donations from Hollywood
>  persons goes to Democrats. It's pretty much uncontested that the majority
>  of movie/TV actors, producers, directors, and so on are liberal, and I
>  believe it's these people that Dan Quayle is talking about.

   So what?  As I mentioned in a recent posting, there is a free market
   in "media" in this country.  Presumably if, say, movies or TV shows
   had a liberal message that grated on the nerves or consciences of
   the viewing public then they would turn off their TV's or reward 
   some other shows offering different, more conservative world views
   with their business.  

   I mean there are some interesting metaphysical problems with trying
   to construct the model that "I am a free-willed independent agent 
   capabale of thinking for myself, but all about me are mindless automatons
   programmed by outside forces".  I.e., that "people are sheep, except
   for me". 



---peter



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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:14:08 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <la657oINNln7@aludra.usc.edu>, rone@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:
> In article <12032@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug30.191904.10455@waikato.ac.nz>, spt@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia) writes:
> >> In article <11996@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# ###This is what I expect though from liberals -- trying to justify
# ###a clearly crazy person with a deadly weapon.
# ##Which crazy person with the gun do you mean.  The Chancellor, the Activist, 
# ##or yourself?
# #The crazy person with a deadly weapon had a machete, not a gun.
# 
# Been watching "Friday the 13th" again, have we, Clayton?

That's what the newspaper and TV news coverage of the event
said -- that Denovo had a machete and a hunting knife, and
charged the police officer with the machete.

Why are liberals out of touch with reality?
-- 
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Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.headlines,sci.econ
From: karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:15:36 GMT

In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug21095144@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>	Tell me how to stop Congress from spending $1.5 for every
>	$1.0 in revenue.

Easy - elect Clinton, Clinton, and Gore.  Congress will spend $2.00 for every
$1.00 in revenue.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: brownfield!jbrow (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: National Health Care
Reply-To: <jbrow@glv.com>
Organization: Encompass
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:48:29 GMT

In article <92239.150705DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.225246.6226@brownfield.glv.com>, brownfield!jbrow (Jim
> Brownfield) says:
> >
> >In article <1992Aug24.112847.26346@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
> >writes:
> >> The reform of health care in this country shouldn't be limited to the
> >> ways of paying for the care which doctors and hospitals provide. A
> >> more democratic, lower cost way of providing for decent care could be
> >> achieved by opening up the process of providing care to permit more
> >> care givers. Nurse practitioners, for example.
> >>
> >
> >I couldn't agree more.  Breaking up the established medical monopoly that  
the
> >AMA (and the federal government -- without which no monopoly could exist)  
has
> >over us would go a LONG way toward solving the problem of high medical  
costs.
> 
> Nonsense.  The monopoly influence that physicians have arises from the fact
> that quality medical care is encouraged by long-term relationships.  That
> makes patients very price-insensitive and quite unwilling to switch to a new
> provider.  While increased alternatives for primary care will make demand
> curves more elastic, it's unlikely to have "go a LONG way" towards solving
> the cost problems.  Note that the number of physicians has grown enormously
> in the last two decades, as have the number of physician extenders and the
> responsibilities associated with those extenders.  Despite this influence,
> costs have been rising faster, not slower.

The last two and a half decades are the only ones in this countries history  
where we had medicare and medicaid to drive up the demand on doctors above the  
free market demand.  Also, the number of slots for medical students *is*  
limited by the AMA.  THIS is the "monopoly influence."

> 
> In fact, some economic research suggests that this would happen (i.e.  
increased
> competition would exacerbate cost increases).  This can happen if the
> physician acts as an imperfect agent for the patient or if competition raises
> the information costs of searching for a physician, resulting in less elastic
> demand for each physician's services.

I know that flipping through the yellow pages, or asking a doctor or friend for  
a referal is too high a cost for socialists (as opposed to extracting resources  
at gunpoint from taxpayers).  Some of us don't really mind having choices all  
that much.

> 
> Because of the numerous complications in health care markets, the simple  
rules
> of economics (competition results in lower prices) do not always hold.

In socialists' dreams.

> Dennis G. Shea, Penn State

Jim Brownfield
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From: 76330.3412@CompuServe.COM ("John M. Sulak")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Nancy Lord speaks on taxes
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:45:08 GMT

VIS000
Libertarian candidate speaks

   Speaking Wednesday to the Cleveland City Club, Lord said the November 
   election will be an opportunity for the United States to return to the 
   historical roots of freedom and a chance for Americans to put American 
   needs first. 
   
   "At a time when nearly half of what Americans earn is being taken in 
   taxes, when our economy is collapsing under the weight of taxes and 
   debt, how can we justify spending billions of dollars in foreign aid?" 
   she asked. 
   
   Lord, a lawyer with a medical degree, specializes in medical-legal and 
   constitutional issues. She was nominated along with the Libertarian 
   Party's presidential candidate, state Rep. Andre Marrou of Alaska.
   
   "Germany, Japan and South Korea -- those are wealthy countries," said 
   Lord. "Isn't it about time they assumed some of the burden...and the 
   cost...of their own defense?" 
   
   Lord, of Washington, said the problem arises from President Bush 
   increasing the federal debt by $1 billion a day through a 30 percent 
   federal spending increase, which led to the biggest tax increase in 
   U.S. history. 

Copyright 1992 The United Press International  



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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Kulturkampf
Organization: nope
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:38:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.041343.14754@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>> So, it's okay to force culture as long as you don't ask for much money
>> from each person you're forcing it on?  Come on now.  Even "the NEA
>> doesn't have much effect" is a more respectable position, but BOTH are
>> inconsistent with the principle that Fitch suggested the reason
>> Buchanan was "wrong".  Taken as a whole, Fitch's real complaint
>> appears to be that he doesn't like the culture Buchanan would
>> force, but has no real objection to forcing culture.
>
>You're seriously equating taxation of one dollar a year upon a
>middle-class income with, say, the violent repression of homosexuality
>involving the jailing of harmless persons on behalf of "family
>values"?

Notice that "say".  It's where Fitch's strawman starts.  He invents a
serious bogeyman and downplays the NEA, and suggests that that
requires that he abandon the principle that he's been arguing for.

In this USA, that dollar is extracted under threat of JAIL.  Even if
we accept Fitch's strawman, the two are the SAME.  Jail is jail.

>Fine.  Those are _your_ values.  If others would be as
>open, I think it would become clear who was threatened by whom.

Yup, pointing out that Fitch's principles are "don't mess with mine as
we're messing with yours" is a threatening thing for me to do.

-andy
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From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Political Parties in the U.S. (was Re: Is this a socialist
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:57:55 GMT

dev@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Weeks) writes:
: 
: In the U.S., you can be asked to leave the bathroom if you don't own
: it. The conductor can ask you to leave the train. And you can request
: the return of your toothbrush at any time. However, nobody can tell
: you to leave your own bathroom without the due process of the law,
: meaning a court. And nobody can search your property or person with
: due process, and nobody can take your property without due process (in
: theory today, though).
: 
Wrong. The DEA has the power to confiscate property without even charging
you with a crime! Our wonderfule (NOT!) conservative supreme court has
upheld this. Several of the Reagan/Bush appointees to the supreme court
believe there is no right to privacy in the U.S. There are also sobriety
checkpoints, which allow local law enforcement to stop and search people
without probable cause. In short, while most people in this country have
been cheering on the Reagan "Revolution," the Republican administrations
of the last 12 years have been happily taking away our rights.



Kathy
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Attention NY GOP's  was Re: Endorsement
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:30:48 GMT

GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:

>>        Cross-endorsement, currently practiced in New York State. A
>>party can endorse a candidate from another party.

I would like to know some info concerning the 1990 NY gubenetorial 
election. I was curious why the Conservative Party, who almost always
endorses the Republicans, ran their own candidate (Herb London) instead
of endorsing the GOP's Pierre Rinfret. Why did the Conservatives not like
Rinfret? Did they just think he was weak or just not conservative enough?
This is not a loaded question just an information request.

Whatever the reason, London nearly outpolled Rinfret (they both got low
20%, I think).

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From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: REAGAN: Convention speech text
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com
Organization: ESL, a TRW Subsidiary

Screw it, let's just repeal the 22nd amendment and re-elect Reagan.

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