From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: 'NamVet Newsletter, Vol.5, no.12 (7/7)
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:48:49 GMT




















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                      NamVet/IVVEC Concentrated Service
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                      NamVet/IVVEC Service Department
                          by G. Joseph Peck, ESO
                     Berkshire Veterans' Center, Inc.
                              Pittsfield, MA
     
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     For many of you who weren't aware, we have an Electronic Service 
     Department here in NamVet which attempts to help any/all veterans 
     and/or their families with things such as information requests, 
     discharge upgrades, employment help and, generally, anything 
     veteran-oriented that is needed to help America's veterans.
     
     It's been a busy, busy year!!!  
     
     Starting on a tense-note with Operation Desert Storm, on a 
     strictly personal basis, I accepted the position of Veterans' 
     Coordinator of SaudiNet - an electronic communications network 
     allegedly set up to deliver computer messages from those of us 
     here at home to our Saudi brothers and sisters (I *-DID-* have 
     some personal interest in it: my brother, a niece and a nephew - 
     in addition to some close personal friends - were all part of 
     Operation Desert Storm.  PLUS I had two sons of my own in Active 
     Duty military.).  Research and investigations into the operations 
     as well as management of SaudiNet, coupled with frustrated reports 
     from many private citizens that their messages had not been 
     received, plus telephone conversations verifying non-receipt of 
     messages with my brother, niece and nephew, all brought about the 
     revelation that, as it stood, SaudiNet was not a workable project.  
     PERSONAL COMMENTS: If EVER a project like this is begun again, it 
     is STRONGLY suggested that any and all COMMERCIAL interests be 
     strictly forbidden from participation other than voluntary "no 
     strings attached" donations of equipment to aid in the effort.  It 
     is also suggested that any persons spearheading such a project be 
     thoroughly investigated - especially when their active assertive 
     involvements involve members of other countries, other government 
     agencies, other veteran organizations.
     
     ELECTRONIC SERVICE DEPARTMENT:  Beginning 1/1/91 with only our 
     main BBS, VETLink #1, as another article in this newsletter 
     indicates, we have now expanded to ten (10) VETLink's.  We are in 
     the process of planning and developing Service Request Departments 
     on each and soon hope to have this concept of the VETLink # BBS in 
     full operation to serve each of you.  Contacts are also being made 
     
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     with National Veterans' Legal Service and with the Disabled 
     American Veterans concerning formal training of additional ESO's 
     (Electronic Service Officers).
      
     AGENT ORANGE: We have recently produced an ASCII-text version of 
     the AGENT ORANGE PAYMENT PLAN - a hardcopy of which is usually 
     mailed upon telephone request to The Agent Orange Payment Plan at 
     their 1-800-225-4712 telephone number.  I hope this will help each 
     and every one of our proud veterans achieve the services to which 
     they're entitled.
     
     DISCHARGE UPGRADE:  We are presently researching and preparing 
     paperwork to aid in a veterans discharge upgrade.  The details are 
     complex and, to be sure that we do not jeopardize the veterans 
     position in ANY way, we have requested information and advice from 
     the National Veterans' Legal Service which, in turn, referred us 
     to about 10 other attorneys authorized to represent veterans 
     before the DRB (Discharge Review Board).  
     COMMENT:  Our normal procedure in preparations of this type is to 
     research, analyze, and come up with a suggested approach to 
     upgrading the veterans' discharge which s/he then should review 
     and deliver to his/her authorized veteran service representative 
     (a list of organizations authorized to represent cases/claims 
     before the Veterans Administration will be found elsewhere in this 
     newsletter).  Discharge upgrade requests should be handled with 
     EXTREME SENSITIVITY AND CARE.  If there is the SLIGHTEST DOUBT 
     AND/OR QUESTION to anything pertaining to the proposed upgrade, a 
     letter or visit to one's nearest Authorized Service Representative 
     is a WISE investment of time and energy - and COULD result in a 
     veterans' winning an otherwise marginable case/claim. 
     
     MANDATORY ARREST IN DOMESTIC ABUSE SITUATIONS:  Recently enacted 
     in Massachusetts is a Mandatory Arrest Law concerning Domestic 
     Abuse which mandates the arrest of the perpetrator of the alleged 
     abuse without allowing the judgment, expertise and/or wisdom of 
     the presenting officer any accord.  In situations where there IS 
     abuse (i.e., husband/wife/child beating/molestation), the law 
     would seem to have a protective measure.  In situations where 
     angry physical contact has been made, prior to the enactment of 
     the law, it would have been left for the presenting officer to 
     determine whether or not actual abuse had taken place and/or 
     referral to other local agencies for active intercession in the 
     situation. The "judgment" of the presenting police officer(s), 
     with the enactment of this law, now has no value nor effect.
     COMMENT:  Personally, in respect to our veterans, I have 
     "concerns" concerning the enactment of this law and potential 
     additional danger/harm that may come to a) the person being 
     arrested; b) the person being assaulted/abused/molested; c) the 
     presenting police officers.  MANDATORY ARREST implies GUILT and, 
     for those who are NOT guilty of such violation, unneeded and 
     unnecessary defensive posturing will more than likely result - 
     such "defensive posturing" possibly resulting in additional 
     charges of "Resisting Arrest" and/or "Assault on a Police 
     Officer".  In addition, if a person knows s/he will be arrested 
     for violation of the Domestic Abuse Law, how safe, then, will the 
     victim of his/her abuse be PRIOR to the calling of a law 
     enforcement agency?  Via voice and written communication to the 
     governor of Massachusetts, William Weld, as well as members in the 
     State legislature, I am working on this one.  If any of YOU have 
     
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     additional information you'd like to share concerning this, please 
     NET-/SnailMail me at Berkshire Veterans' Center.
     
     OFFICE OF PERSONNEL PRACTICES IN COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS: On 
     or about 28 Feb 91 the position of JOB SPECIALIST II - DVOP 
     (Disabled Veterans Outreach Person) (a full/partially Federally 
     funded position primarily intended for service-connected disabled 
     veterans) became vacant in the Pittsfield, MA office of Department 
     of Employment Security (DES). Said vacancy was properly posted 8 
     Mar 91.  The "requirements" for this position SPECIFICALLY STATE: 
     "This position must be filled by a veteran.  Preference in hiring 
     will be as follows:  1.  Disabled Vietnam Era veterans, 2. 
     Disabled veterans, 3. Other eligible veterans."  I applied and was 
     interviewed for this position - and waited, and waited and waited 
     for a response/reply from the DES.  Telephone calls and visits to 
     the Employment Office and discussions with the Office Manager 
     revealed that the position was being filled by a non-disabled 
     veteran and that no decision had yet been reached concerning 
     filling the DVOP position with a disabled veteran.
       On 6 Aug 91 I was called in again for an interview for the 
     position.  September came and then October, and the position 
     continued to be filled by a non-disabled veteran. I telephoned our 
     local veterans' service agent to determine the agency which this 
     alleged misuse of funds intended for Disabled Veterans should be 
     reported and was directed to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 
     Department of Labor.
       "Yes, the position SHOULD be filled by a Disabled Veteran," I 
     was told.  "No, it presently is NOT being filled by a Disabled 
     Veteran because the Office Manager requested a waiver of the 
     position requirements because no satisfactory applicants 
     appeared."
       "But there was NO outreach - no REAL attempt to recruit a 
     qualified Disabled Veteran," I said.
       "The Office Manager, in his request that the requirements be 
     waived, says that no satisfactory applicants were interviewed."
       "But I *-KNOW-* that there were AT LEAST 5 or 6 applicants who 
     ARE disabled and who ARE qualified and satisfactory!  How do I 
     file a complaint about this action and how do I request an 
     investigation into WHERE funds allegedly targeted towards payment 
     of a DVOPs position were spent?"
       "We're listening to you," said the MA DoL.  "We've also heard 
     similar complaints.  We'll check into it - and we agree with you 
     that the position SHOULD be filled by a disabled veteran."  (Who 
     knows the problems of a disabled veteran better than a disabled 
     veteran?).
       I followed up the telephone call to MA's Department of Labor 
     with one to the U.S. Department of Labor (learned a LONG time ago 
     to CYA!) and repeated the same complaint/comment.  I was assured 
     that things would be taken care of.
       7 Nov 91, after having received many complaints from local 
     disabled veterans (and some out of my area) that they had NOT been 
     approached nor contacted, I angrily telephoned the US Department 
     of Labor and relayed the information I'd heard to my contact 
     person there.  He, too, was a little miffed that nothing had 
     apparently been done and asked that I check back in a week or so 
     to see what, if anything had been done.
       12 Nov 91 I received a telephone call from my contact in the US 
     Department of Labor informing me that the non-disabled veteran had 
     been removed from the position and that a disabled veteran was 
     
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     going to be filling it very shortly - possibly, too, the disabled 
     veteran would be receiving retroactive wages. I was asked to call 
     back on or about 20 Nov 91 to let my contact know if the changes 
     had been made.
       19 Nov 91 I received telephone calls telling me that "No!  No 
     outreach to the veteran community had been made; No! No telephone 
     calls or letters to previous applicants for the position had been 
     received; and Yes! A non-service-connected disabled veteran was 
     now appearing at local establishments introducing himself as the 
     DVOP for Pittsfield's DES!"  The words to describe MY anger are 
     not printable here <smile>.
       A telephone call to my contact in the US Department of Labor 
     also resulted in anger at the other end of the telephone - not 
     towards ME and/or Berkshire Veterans' Center/VETLink/NamVet but, 
     instead, towards the personnel at the MA Department of Labor who 
     had apparently been untruthful in the reports of actions taken.
       "How do I request a recall of their allotted funds for that 
     position... and how do I ask for an accounting of the funds they 
     HAVE received (and apparently spent)?" I asked.  
       "You might have just done that," said the raised voice in 
     Boston.  "You might have just done that..."
       17 Dec 91 - date of this writing - still no reports of outreach 
     have been received; still no reports of previous applicants for 
     the position have been received... and tomorrow I will call the 
     DES to see WHO is filling the position.
       I will keep you apprised of our efforts!
     
     There are many other areas in which we have served - and have been 
     helped to continue in our efforts to serve you and all our brother 
     and sister veterans and their families (Thank You USRobotics!).  
     
     For those of you who have helped - THANK YOU... 
     
     For those of you we can help - THANK YOU... for allowing us the 
     opportunity to prove the UNITY in our veteran commUNITY!!!
     























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     RICHARD A. GEPHARDT
      3d District, Missouri                           Washington Office
                                   1432 Longworth House Office Building
                                                  Washington, DC  20515
                                                   Phone (202) 225-2671
     MAJORITY LEADER     CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES
     COMMITTEE ON THE BUDGET                                           
                            House of Representatives    District Office
                             Washington, DC 20515          9959 Gravois
     PERMANENT SELECT                                St Louis, MO 63123
     COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE                     Phone (314) 631-9959 
                                                                       
                              October 8, 1991
     Mr. Gary J. Grant
     P.O. Box 62021
     Phoenix, AZ  85062
     
     Dear Mr. Grant:
     
       Thank  you  for  contacting me regarding  American  POW/MIAs  in 
     Southeast  Asia.   Like you,  I believe that we have a  continuing 
     obligation  to  those  who have put their lives on  the  line  for 
     America.  This commitment must never flag.
     
       Today there are still 2,273 Americans missing or unaccounted for 
     in  Southeast Asia.   This includes 1,172 originally listed as POW 
     and  MIA and 1,101 listed as Killed in Action/Body Not  Recovered.  
     Eighty-five  percent  of  our soldiers were lost  in  areas  under 
     control  of  Vietnamese  forces.   I  have met  with  families  of 
     POW/MIAs, and I understand and share their loss.
     
       The  Intelligence  Authorization Act  (P.L.  102-88)  which  the 
     President signed into law in August contains portions of the Truth 
     Bill  and requires intelligence agencies to provide Congress  full 
     access to documentation of POW/MIA sightings.
     
       In addition, the House Subcommittee on Asian and Pacific Affairs 
     held  several hearings this year to determine if the POW/MIA issue 
     has been handled correctly by Pentagon officials.   The Senate has 
     established  a  select committee to thoroughly examine  the  issue 
     again.   The  12-member  Senate panel is chaired by  Senator  John 
     Kerry, a Vietnam veteran.
     
       Until  every soldier is accounted for,  every piece of  evidence 
     must  be examined and every lead must be pursued.   However,  care 
     must be taken.  For years, unscrupulous persons have preyed on the 
     hopes of POW/MIA families with forged photographs and lies.  There 
     is no room for complacency, incompetence,  or insensitivity in the 
     handling of this important matter.
     
       If you have specific concerns about this or any other issue,  or 
     if  I  can be of any help,  please don't hesitate to  contact  me.  
     Please keep in touch.
                             Yours very truly,
     
                                    /s/ 
                            Richard A. Gephardt
                           House Majority Leader
     
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                             A deal is a deal
                             By Brian B. Riley
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
     
     29 November 91
     
     President George Bush
     Senator Patrick Leahy
     Senator James Jeffords
     Congressman Bernard Sanders
     
     Gentlemen;
     
     I  am  writing this letter to you,  my elected representatives  to 
     remind  you of the obligations our government has to its  veterans 
     of military service.
     
     In  the past I have been one of the fortunate ones;   I had  mine, 
     the  checks  came on time and my needs were met;  I didn't  see  a 
     reason  to  rock the boat,  despite all of the published  evidence 
     that veteran's care was a growing shame in this country.
     
     Recently an incident occurred that woke me up to the situation.  I 
     lost  my  left  leg above the knee to injuries in  combat  in  the 
     Republic of Viet Nam.  I was working in the woods cutting firewood 
     and  jumped  down  off a large fallen tree and tore  up  the  knee 
     mechanism of my prosthesis. I made my way out of the woods back to 
     my  cabin and made some phone calls.  My spare prosthesis had been 
     in  New York for well over 2 months being rebuilt,  so I had to go 
     to a local business for repairs so I could walk again. The repairs 
     were  made and I was back on my feet.  It would seem that all  was 
     well. However, 2 days later I received a call from the prosthetist 
     with  whom I work at the VAPC in New York and he told me that  the 
     reason  my leg was not done is that they cannot order the material 
     to  finish  it.  A  day after that I get a call  from  the  office 
     administrator  at the local prosthetics repair shop that the clerk 
     at  the  VA White River Junction office is giving her a hard  time 
     about the payment for the repair.
     
     Now  its obvious that neither of these individuals is to blame for 
     this.  They  are simply acting within tight budgetary  constraints 
     handed down, ultimately, from you gentlemen and your colleagues.
     
     I  remind you that the Viet Nam War,  which most want so badly  to 
     forget,  was  the  first time in recorded history that  a  country 
     broke  the  unwritten  covenant with its soldiers  by  taking  the 
     privates  to  task for the sins of the  generals.  Mr.  Bush,  you 
     further  insulted us by your lavish praise of what was little more 
     than a 'cattle roundup'  in Iraq;  our troops did their jobs,  and 
     did  them well,  but aside from the pilots and a few SOG types  no 
     one saw anything like Viet Nam.
     
     I remind you that "a deal is a deal." Implied contract is law. You 
     asked  of  me and my brothers to go off and do this thing for  you 
     and you told us you would take care of us. Now please, sirs,  live 
     up  to  your end of the deal;  you may not have been  minding  the 
     store in 1968, but you have inherited the responsibilities.
     
     
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     I ask this not for me. I am a bullheaded Irishman who doesn't take 
     no  for  an answer and,  according to a navy Doctor 20 years  ago, 
     "...  didn't  have sense enough to die when I was supposed to!"  I 
     survived  then and now.  I am fortunate that you  only got my body 
     broken; but what of the Vets whose souls were ripped asunder often 
     along  with their bodies.  They cannot speak up and even when they 
     do  they are dismissed as 'scruffy losers whining in the  gutter.' 
     Gentlemen, you helped put them there,  you and you alone can offer 
     the  hand to help them pull themselves up and become a part of the 
     country again.
     
     If compassion or honor will not stir you to do this, maybe I might 
     point  out that a continuation of the current policies will result 
     in  something along the lines of "what if we gave a war and nobody 
     showed  up?"  Where will you get the fodder for the guns?  No  one 
     will want to do your dirty work.
     
     I  have  taken  the liberty of sending a copy of this  to  Senator 
     Robert Kerrey of Nebraska.  He is more than 'one of us';  he is my 
     friend  from the days of hell.  If you want to know who I am,  ask 
     him.
     
     I  thank  you in advance for taking the time to read this and  for 
     any efforts you can make. I remain
     
     sincerely yours,
     
     Brian B. Riley
     Lt USMC (ret)
     
     cc: Senator Robert Kerrey
         Rene Phaneuf, VAPC, VA Hospital New York City, NY
         David van Sleet, VAPC, VARO White River Junction, VT
         Super-Tech Prosthetics, Essex Junction, VT
         G. Joseph Peck, VET-Link, Pittsfield, MA
     























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                           You Know who you are
                        Input by Dennis Sickmiller
                       Semper Fi BBS - Ft. Wayne, IN
                              (219) 424-4292
     
     I just browsed throgh the Oct. issue of the NamVet. Interesting 
     stuff you people wrote about. Kind of an eye opener for me. All 
     you people are helping to make sense out of something that used to 
     not make to much sense... I just read a message from a person who 
     said he has been home for 20 years and doesn`t have much to do 
     with that stupid war, that kind of makes sense, but then I rember 
     the nightmares I started having at the beginning of this crazy 
     Persian Gulf thing and well I start asking and seeking out the 
     sense makers.....I for one appreciate the work all of you are 
     doing......God Bless You!!!! 
     
     [Note from Joe:  And YOU, too, Dennis!  What we do with NamVet and 
     the VETNet echoes is because of and for all of us - one of the 
     greatest team efforts I've seen in a LONG time!  
       Comments like yours help keep us pointed in the right direction 
     hoping and helping!!!  
                                        Thanx!!! ]
     




































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                              Charlie's Angels
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                           VIETNAM_VETS: Where?
                             By Charlie Revie
                    NamVet's KOTL (Keeper of the List)
                    Desert Dolphin BBS - Las Cruces, NM
                              (505) 523-2811
     
     [Note from Joe - The following is a list of where the VIETNAM_VETS 
     echo has been known to be available for users to access and post 
     messages.  Charlie and his team of Angel's (Charlies Angels 
     <smilez>) keep a constant monitor on the echo and, should a new 
     entry be noticed, it is quickly added to the list.  If you notice 
     that the bbs where YOU access is NOT listed, please post a message 
     in VIETNAM_VETS to let us - and other vets - know where it is 
     being received.  Thanx - Joe]
     
     
     AK Fairbanks       Help Yourself BBS     907-451-0887  
     AL Huntsville      Gateway               205-880-7723  
     AR Fayetteville    Ozark Connection      501-521-4734  
     AZ Chandler        Hog Trough!           602-899-3386  
     AZ Phoenix         NCMC BBS              602-840-4752  
     AZ Phoenix         Nighthawk BBS         602-582-1127  
     CA Anaheim         CA Self Help Library  714-952-2110-NL*
     CA Antioch         Cheers                510-706-0904  
     CA Azusa           Azusa Pacific Mail    818-969-9542  
     CA Azusa           Azusa Pacific BBS     818-969-9170  
     CA Benicia         Byte Out of the Apple 707-747-5406  
     CA Benicia         Byte Out of the Apple 707-747-0306  
     CA Benicia         DCC BBS               707-746-6091  
     CA Castro Valley   Combat Arms           510-537-1777  
     CA Folsom          Second Opinion        916-985-4720  
     CA Los Angeles     SoCalNet EC           213-874-9484  
     CA Navato          Mover Mouse BBS       415-898-2644  
     CA Oxnard          SURFBOARD BBS         805-483-1467  
     CA Pataluma        Priv.Mial Runner(E-N*)707-763-4485-NL
     CA Sacramento      Broken Rose BBS       916-483-8624  
     CA Sacramento      Now and Zen Opus      916-962-1952  
     CA Sacramento      WorldView I           916-739-8386  
     CA SAn Francisco   Seahunt BBS           415-431-0473  
     CA San Jose        24 Hours-A-Day BBS    408-448-1126  
     CA San Jose        Int'l Public Em Comm  408-298-2740  
     CA Twentynine Palm Desert Night RBBS     619-361-3421  
     CN Regina, Sask    Holistic BBS          306-789-9909  
     CO Colorado Sprgs  Coffee House          719-596-1565  
     CO Colorado Sprgs  Electronic Locksmith  719-390-9249  
     CO Colorado Sprgs  Military Connection   719-391-9387  
     CT Branford        Alice's Restaurant    203-488-1115  
     CT Branford        Fernwood              203-481-7934  
     CT Cheshire        Soapbox               203-271-2249  
     CT Concord         Online Computer Reso  510-687-0236  
     CT Danbury         Treasure Island(E-N)  203-791-8532-NL
     CT Plantsville     The Pig Pen           203-628-9346
     CT Plantsville     The Pig Pen           203-620-0562  
     CT Southington     DownStairs            203-621-1930  
     CT West Haven      Ascii Neighborhood    203-932-6236-NL
     
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     DE Dover           DELFIRE BBS           302-739-6757  
     DE New Castle      Hackers BBS           302-328-3993  
     FL Clarcona        West Orange BBS       407-293-2724  
     FL Kissimmee       The Program Exchange  407-870-2735  
     FL Ocala           Echo World Data Sys.  904-867-0725  
     FL Orlando         Digital Connection    407-896-0494  
     FL Orlando         Freedom Line BBS      407-423-2111-NL
     FL Orlando         Gourmet Delight       407-649-4136              
     FL Orlando         UP-EAST BBS           407-273-7849  
     GA Albany          2/121st INformation   912-430-4543  
     GA Athens          Classic City-Node 1   404-548-0130-NL
     GA Athens          Classic City          404-548-0726-NL
     GA Augusta         FORT KNOX'S BBS       404-592-6527  
     GA Savannah        Night Owl             912-964-4266
     GA Savannah        Night Owl             912-964-1161
     GA Savannah        Night Owl             912-964-2425  
     GA Savannah        Night Owl             912-964-1121
     GA Savannah        Night Owl             912-966-1167
     IA Des Moines      FOGLINE BBS           515-964-7937  
     IA Des Moines      KARMA *VS* DOGMA      515-288-7793  
     ID Boise           Compulink Northwest   208-375-4073  
     IL Chicago         BIT WIZ Opus          312-935-6809  
     IL Chicago         NETWORK Echogate      312-427-1395  
     IN Ft. Wayne       Semper Fi             219-424-4292-NL
     IN Terra Haute     WVAU BBS              812-238-9295  
     LA Baton Rouge     Ranger's Place        504-925-9307  
     LA New Orleans     New Orleans MUG       504-837-8188  
     LA New Orleans     Southern Star(E-N)    504-887-3348-NL
     MA Amherst         Pioneer Valley PCUG1  413-256-1037  
     MA Andover         AEOLUS BBS            508-474-0328  
     MA Dalton          Field St.BBS(E-N)     413-684-1938-NL
     MA Lynn            Freedom's Choice      617-593-2605-NL
     MA Pittsfield      Berkshire Estates BBS 413-499-1327-NL
     MA Pittsfield      VETLink #1            413-443-6313-NL
     MD Baltimore       Jim's Hooch           410-866-8613-NL
     MD Baltimore       PainFrame BBS         410-488-7461  
     MD Shady Side      VETLink #4            301-261-5644-NL
     MD Silver Spring   Light Source BBS      301-439-7437
     MI Dearborn        VETLink #10           313-562-0051
     MI Spring Arbor    The Toy House         517-750-2003  
     MN Arden Hills     The City Lights       612-633-1366  
     MO Cape Girardeau  VETLink #3            314-334-6359-NL
     MS Vicksburg       Southern Belle        601-634-1625  
     MS Vicksburg       The Wishing Well      601-638-7056  
     NC Charlotte       Carolina Forum        704-563-5857  
     NC Charlotte       Carolina Forum        704-568-1663
     NC Raleigh         InfoSys               919-851-8460  
     NC Raleigh         Shalom-3              919-851-3858  
     NC Spring-Lake     Federal Post          919-436-2055  
     NH Manchester      Checkmate BBS         603-622-2371-NL  
                        (VETLink #8)
     NH Merrimack       Outer Limits/VETLink9 603-424-4915
     NJ Garfield        Quill & Inkpot BBS    201-340-1340  
     NJ Lyndhurst       Starship ][           201-935-1485
     NJ Lyndhurst       Starship ][           201-935-7036  
     NJ Passaic         VETLink #5            201-778-1879-NL
     NM Alamogordo      Casa de La Luz        505-437-8267-NL
     NM Las Cruces      Desert Dolphin        505-523-2811-NL
     NM Las Cruces      MelMikes BBS          505-521-1527-NL
     
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     NM Las Cruces      NASW (E-N)            505-646-2868-NL
     NV Las Vegas       Sports Line BBS       702-565-5271
     NY Albany          The Times             518-452-4757
     NY Bloomfield      Log Inn               716-657-7660  
     NY Chili           Flower City Central   716-889-2016  
     NY Marlboro        ACORN I BBS           914-236-3265  
     NY Phoenix         G A L A X I A !       315-695-4436  
     OH Akron           Buckeye Hamshack      216-867-6984  
     OH Cincinnati      KIC-BBS               513-762-1115  
     OH Rocky River     Nerd Nook II          216-356-1772  
     OH Rocky River     Nerd Nook             216-356-1431  
     OK Edmond          The Far Side QuickBBS 405-341-4720  
     OK Lawton          DarkStar              405-248-9884  
     OK Norman          The Family Tree       405-321-0642  
     OR Beaverton       Chess Board           503-629-5473  
     OR Portland        Landing Zone          503-254-6819-NL
                        (VETLink #7)
     PA Butler          Info Exchange RBBS    412-482-4721  
     PA Carlisle        L & T's Spitfire! BBS 717-243-0055  
     PA Harrisburg      The Other BBS         717-657-2223  
     PA Johnstown       The Family BBS        814-536-7617-NL
     TN Memphis         Just Mail             901-683-5410-NL
     TN Memphis         Memphis Mail Hub      901-872-4893  
     TN Nashville       Homestead             615-385-9421  
     TN Nashville       Unicorn & Dragon      615-385-2260  
     TX Corpus Christi  Ye Mailroom           512-855-7564
     TX Dallas          Chrysalis             214-349-9397  
     TX Fort Worth      DD Connection         817-277-6989  
     TX Houston         The Fireside          713-496-6319  
     TX Houston         Leaders in Control    713-584-1821  
     TX Houston         Info-Net & Police-Net 713-873-0403  
     TX Houston         Soldier's Bored       713-437-2859  
     TX Katy            Executive Washroom    713-347-2558-NL
     TX Pasadena        Pier 7                713-477-2681  
     TX Richardson      Night Lights          214-480-8170  
     TX Rosenberg       Merlin's Keep         713-342-7629  
     TX San Antonio     Heidi Search Center   512-659-2305  
     TX Tomball         Texas Father's BBS    713-376-4767  
     TX Universal City  The Ranch House       512-945-9304  
     TX Wylie           Diamond Lil's Saloon  214-228-9173  
     VA Chesapeake      Apex                  804-436-3125  
     VA Falls Church    GreyEagle             703-534-0177  
     VA Herndon         HBX/VETLink #2        703-471-8010-NL
     VA Herndon         HBX Veterans Memorial 703-471-8563-NL
     VA Newport News    Brokedown Palace      804-591-8537  
     VA Oakton          Washington ZEPHYR     703-620-5418  
     VA Virginia Beach  HandiNet B B S        804-496-3320  
     VA Williamsburg    Rainbow's End         804-872-7171  
     WA Brownsville     Jimby BBS             206-698-1044-NL
     WA Edmonds         Puget Sound TBBS      206-745-6340-NL  
     WA Everett         Mark's Point!         206-486-2415  
     WA Everett         Silver Lake           206-338-3723  
     WA Everett         Silver Lake Too       206-338-3168  
     WA Ft. Lewis       Silent Sentry BBS     206-984-1048  
     WA Graham          Last Frontier         206-847-8168  
     WA Kirkland        SeaEast Exchange BBS  206-822-4615  
     WA Redmond         GreyHounds BBS        206-868-4402
     WA Seattle         VETLink #6            206-528-0111
     WA Spokane         Think Tank II         509-244-6446  
     
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     WA Tacoma          Group Medical BBS II  206-581-9088  
     WI Greenfield      PC-Express            414-327-4104  
                                                           
     ** Bremerton, WA   British Hands Off     <Point-Only> 350/21.5
     ** Custer, SD      GOTCHA!               <Point-Only> 109/312.348
     ** Phoenix, AZ     Hirschfeld Law Office <Point-Only> 114/74.2
     ** Pittsfield, MA  VetPoint 707          <Point-Only> 321/203.707
     ** Portland, OR    The Empty Bed Pan     <Point-Only> 105/41.20 
     ** Goshen, AR      The Ironhand Troll    <Point-Only> 391/1020.2
     ** Corpus Christi  Corrosion by the Ocean<Point-Only> 106/50.9
     ** ............... Any Port in the Storm <Point Only> 106/499.1
     ** ............... Jim Meadors           <Point Only> 160/230.1
     ** ............... OLD Soldiers Home     <Point-Only> 343/58.2
     ** ............... Support our men       <Point-Only> 343/15.10
                        (USS Liberty)
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     (*) KEY:
     E-N = No IVVEC Echo, but does have the Nam_Vet newsletter
     NL  = Carries both IVVEC and the Nam_Vet newsletter
     







































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         Some Gave ALL ...                      Some Still Give!!!
     
     
     
               O                                      O
                O                    SOME GAVE ALL  ...
         ________O__________________________________O______________
        !         O                                O               !
        ! pow mia pow mia - BRING THEM HOME NOW! - pow mia pow mia !
        !           O                            O                 !
        ! ~~~~~ ~ ~  O~   ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~ O ~~ ~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ !
        ! ~~~~ ~ ~~   O ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~  ~~~  ~~ ~O~~~ ~~~  ~ ~~~~ ~~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~  ~~ ~ O~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ O ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~ !
        ! ~~~  ~~ ~~ ~  O ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ O ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~ ~ !
        ! ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ O ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ O ~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~ !
        !  ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~  O ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  O ~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ !
        ! ~  ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  O ~_~_~_~_~_ ~ O ~  ~~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~~  !
        ! ~~~ ~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~  O          ) O ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ /(O)       / O \ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  /          / O   \~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ !
        !  ~~ ~ ~  ~~ ~~ / PRISONER /       \~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~~ !
        ! ~  ~~ ~~ ~~ ~ /          / MISSING \~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~ !
        ! ~~~  ~ ~~ ~~ /   OF     /\          \~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~ !
        ! ~ ~~~~ ~~ ~ /          /  \   IN     \~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~  !
        ! ~~~  ~~~ ~ /    WAR   / ~~ \          \  ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ !
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