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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Happy Kiboday
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:52:51 GMT

In article <RSHOLMES.92Apr13114118@rodan.syr.EDU> rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:
>Hey, does Evpuneq Ubyzrf qualify?  OH BOY!!! BU OBL!!!

Just barely.  I have a brother named Evpuneq, too, which probably 
influenced my decision.  

Disclaimer: I'm not keeping track of the X-Vob membership.  You know
who you are.  Since the X-Vobs are a slackful organization, nothing
is filed away, and there is no list.

Nyy Unvy Xvob.  Today, a.r.k; tomorrow, HappyNet!  

--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
"I repeat myself when I'm distressed, I repeat myself when I'm distressed,
I repeat myself when I'm distressed, I repeat myself when I'm distressed,
I repeat..."     -King Crimson, "Indiscipline"
Xref: sparky alt.religion.kibology:1559 alt.slack:1380 alt.stupidity:1459
From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.slack,alt.stupidity
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:17:21 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <1992Apr9.174453.28136@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>
>>Probably, we're doomed to an increasing tide of this sort of
>>thing as more and more people get on the net.  Most people are
>>completely hooked into the established order, having had the
>>mass media, especially network television, brainwash them for
>>thousands of hours before they're even out of childhood.  If
>>you doubt this, just look around.  The Net is hardly different
>>from the schoolyard, where young thugs emulate the teachers
>>indoors by enforcing what "everybody" knows is right.
>
>I think you're reading too much into this.  I don't believe it's some sort of
>Orwellian plot.  To me, it seems more like a way for people who aren't
>especially imaginative to feel like they're clever, and obtain their proverbial
>15 minutes of fame.
>
>This sort of free association can be amusing at times, but at this scale so
>many people are responding purely out of obligation that there's little life
>left in it.  It reminds me of the unbearable punning sessions I was often
>forced to sit through when I was in a science fiction society as an undergrad.
>
>Some people just don't understand when a joke gets old.
Dumb people just don't comprehend the jokes they're told.

>BIFF WHERE ARE YOU? 
BIFF'S A K00L D00D!


-- 
Jeff Klein                  | "One of you is a Charlie Brown mutant,
                            |  and the other has a hand growing out  
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu      |  of his(?) head!" - Blue Bunny
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Happy Kiboday
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 23:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.205725.29357@tc.cornell.edu> kaspo@eos.acm.rpi.edu 
(Jim Kasprzak) writes:
> 
> Kibo's birthday, of course, would be Kiboday. And we also need an 
>All *ibos' Day, of course. And maybe a Rot13day for people with neat 
>names like Wnzrf Cneel and Ovyy Furezna.

As well as F. Enzzvat.  Sorry, Wvz, "Xnfcemnx" doesn't cut it.

Join the X-Vobs today!  Membership requirement: your name must rot13
to something vaguely pronounceable.  I nominate the Washington stop on
the Red Line as the secret clubhouse (the Room Filled With Typography
is too holy a shrine for such a base function).

By the way, my momma named by "Jvyyvnz" but you can call me Ovyy.
My middle name is Enycu, which is pronounceable too, you poor 
deprived fellow.  

X-Vobs Assemble!

--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
      Hail to the sun god!  He is a fun god!  Ra!  Ra!  Ra! 
                                  -Shea and Wilson, _Illuminatus!_
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry)
Subject: Re: Head survival time after decapitation
Organization: A room filled with typography (in Boston's Back Bay)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.180926.7579@seas.smu.edu> mitchell@seas.smu.edu (Gary Mitchell) writes:
>Now, the big question: WHOSE HEAD???
>
>(Look out, Kibo, methinks someone is out to get you...)

From the very first Emotional Spree, which has never seen the light of day
because it badly needs trimming:

  ...would like to apologize for the sick, twisted, warped, distorted humor
  of the preceding story.  We do not approve of people who REALLY kill
  sweet little puppies in creative ways.  When puppies are put to death,
  they should be put to death in a HUMANE way, such as with a guillotine.

Poor Spot!  Scot, how's Spot doing in your pile of dirty laundry today?
From: ngervae@next.com (Nik Gervae)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Subject: Re: alt.hackers driving me crazy...
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:33:03 GMT

In article <00958850.ED2B8020@cemmva.cem.msu.edu> heroux@cemmva.cem.msu.edu  
(Brett J. Heroux) writes:
>
> Q: How do we know Adam was an Apple hacker?
> 
> A: Only an Apple hacker would stand next to a naked woman and be concerned
>    about an apple...

I wouldn't say *only* an Apple hacker.  There are all sorts of people who
might well be (more) concerned about the apple than the woman:

 - Her husband ("Al, meet Peg....")
 - Gay men (hacker or no)
 - Straight women (hacker or no)
 - Really young (male) hackers (Girls?  Yuck!)
 - Monks & other ascetics (depends on how devout, I'm sure)
 - Plus many more of your favorite tunes.

Do feel free to add to this list.
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Subject: Alcor Nevada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:48:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Alcor Nevada will be meeting Sunday April 12th at 5 PM at the 
Riverside Casino owned by Don Laughlin in Laughlin, Nevada.  Don 
Laughlin will be attending our meeting.  The effect of cryonic 
suspension on the soul will be discussed.  For more info call Eric 
Klien at (702) 255-1355.  
 
Note that opinions of this discussion group do not necessarily 
reflect the views of the non profit organization Alcor.
From: entropy@yaya (Lawrence C Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Subject: Re: Alcor Nevada
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:16:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr11.201650.1908
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <57219@cup.portal.com> Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
>Alcor Nevada will be meeting Sunday April 12th at 5 PM at the 
>Riverside Casino owned by Don Laughlin in Laughlin, Nevada.  Don 
>Laughlin will be attending our meeting.  The effect of cryonic 
>suspension on the soul will be discussed.

Well if it works it means the soul will get to exist alot longer, since
after all what we percieve as the "soul" is nothing more than electrical
and chemical activity in the brain.
If it doesn't work, well then it isn't very good for the soul at all....

Out of curiosity what are the odd's of someone in suspension being revived?
It sounds like a neat idea but I was under the impression that freezing
tissue did very bad things since water expands when frozen. I suppose with
extremely advanced technology you could have a bunch of nano machines go
in and decipher every nerve connection and incode the persons brain into
a machine, but they will be in for quite a surprise when they wake up...
-- 
Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are 99.44% true.            ------  0<p<1  
Hackers do it for fun.  |  Being Bisexual squares your         \    / therefore
"Profesionals" do it for money. |  probability of not getting   \  / p^2<p and
Managers have others do it for them. |  laid on a saturday night.\/ 1-p^2>1-p 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
From: doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: New Maps of -- 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:42:39


I think I have what may be a theological question here.  
I would be grateful if any learned scholars could cast light
on it.

Suppose I completely redesigned my keymap and then offered it
up as a new alternative, encouraging others to use it?
Further suppose I decide to talk the sys admins here at
Stanford into making it the default keymap for all new users
of emacs?

Would there be anything evil, anything deeply un-Gnu about this?

-- JB 

P.S. 

Some Doom notes for a more rational keybinding (in order of priority):

* Avoid collision with other uses of control characters:
** Use C-? instead of C-h for help
** Use C-c as command interrupt only (in addition to C-g?)
** Use C-" for quoting control characters rather than C-q
** May need to switch all C-s commands to something else also.

* Minor-errors should have only minimal effect.
** Avoid cases of possible confusion in two character commands:
*** Similarity of C-x u and C-x C-u can cause new problem rather than fix one
*** C-x C-f and C-x f should not do such wildly different things.

* Remove dyslexia in commands, where possible:
** C-x > and C-x < go in counter-intuitive directions as defined.

* Modify cursor controls in the direction of wordstar/turbo pascal/etc:
** C-s, C-d, C-x, C-e  instead of C-b, C-f, C-n, C-p
** C-a, C-f instead of M-b, M-f
** Perhaps: C-q C-s, C-q C-d instead of C-a, C-e (conflicts with 1st req.)

* In general, give ease of typing priority over mnemonics.
From: eklee@sparc.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Edward K. Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
Subject: Re: New Maps of --
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:59:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sparc.EKLEE.92Apr13175901
Organization: /users/eklee/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU's message of 13 Apr 92 02:42:39

*Sigh*, many's the time I've wanted, and tried, to make a keymap that
is more efficiently laid out.  Unfortunately, this is impossible in
Emacs without a lot of work.  The problem is not with the Emacs
keybindings themselves, which are easy to change, but with all the
other applications that run under emacs.

Assume that you rebind C-j and C-k to next-line and previous-line,
respectively in Emacs.  When you start up gnus, however, it will bind
C-n and C-p to gnus-Subject-next-subject and gnus-Subject-previous-subject
instead of to C-j and C-k.  Worse still, gnus may rebind C-j and C-k
as well so that you no longer have easy access to standard Emacs
functions you may need.  Similarily, gnus will bind C-cC-n and C-cC-p
to gnus-Subject-next-digest and gnus-Subject-previous-digest instead
of to let's say C-cC-j and C-cC-k.  It will perform the previous
binding even if you've remapped C-c such that it is no longer a prefix
key!  Instead of remapping keys directly, what applications such as
gnus should do is find out what keys are *currently* used for the
next-line/previous-line functions and remap those keys.

Thus, it is impractical to drastically change Emacs keymaps without also
changing the keymap of every application you are likely to run under Emacs.
On the brighter side, if you change over to the Dvorak keyboard, your key
bindings may actually improve :)  Yea, that's it!  Why didn't I think of
it before!  The solution is to come up with an Emacs *keyboard* that is
optimized for Emacs!

Ed
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Re: New Maps of -- 
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:40:20 GMT

In article <FRIEDMAN.92Apr13080131@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
>>* In general, give ease of typing priority over mnemonics.
>   That comment seems to imply that the current commands are difficult to
>type.  I'm not sure I 100% agree.

Emacs has actually screwed up my hands. Well, emacs + a DEC keyboard.
DEC keyboards place most of the modifier keys on the left side of the
keyboard only, and the meta key is really really hard to press. So
when I'm emacsing around, my left hand gets seriously stressed typing
things like C-F and M-V. (C-P isn't as bad, though - two hands). I
almost started babbling about the wisdom of vi's modes, but I then saw
the light and realized that emacs is still the One True Editor, it's
just that DEC does not make anything resembling the One True Keyboard.

As for modifying keymaps and providing better default ones: NONSENSE.
The bizarre default emacs binding is essential to the indoctrination
ritual. Emacs is weird - it's the only editor I've seen without a
geographic layout for keymovement (ie: FBNP instead of HJKL), it's
one of the few things I've seen that uses a meta key regularly, and
it's got these weird C-X combos. It's strange.

When the neophyte is confronted with something this strange, she has
two choices: either learn the keybindings until they become second
nature, or spend months configuring the emacs environment to be just
how she wants it. Either choice forces the acolyte to spend an
unnatural amount of time learning arcane emacs skills, and when this
initiation is complete, she will only be capable of using emacs.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
From: doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Friends.  Dear friends.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:55:14

 
I am deeply troubled.  

It seems that the much-touted extensibility, the very
chameleonic customizability of the One True Editor has been
greatly exaggerated.  

The problem with incompatibility with the documentation is
one I'd anticipated... but it seemed to me that in the best
of all possible worlds, the Editor of Dreams would have a
help command that could check the keymap and tell the user
the correct keys to use for any command, even if they'd been
redefined.

As for printed documentation, who reads that stuff anyway?
In the scheme I was proposing, I figured the stanfordites
would just xerox up a new introductory/summary handout, and
that would be it.

But the problem of add on programs that persist in using
their own versions of the original keymap, now that is a
problem I'd missed.  (Gnu gnus is indeed a jealous program.
Not only will it seize the minibuffer and chatter to itself
for eternities, but it makes arrogant assumptions about your
keymap.) It seems that one can customize the keymap to fix a
problem... but *don't* go too far, or you'll run afoul of
other software that doesn't respect your right to make
changes... and don't try and actually *fix* the problem,
because it's important for *everyone* to stumble over the
same problems over and over again.

I remember the author of "C-h as BS considered as harmful"
rather piously pointing out that slavish adherence to
standards will forever chain you to old technology, much as
the MS-DOS world is hopelessly tangled up in the brain dead
8086 architecture.

But really it all seems to depend on whose standard is
gored, isn't it?  If you're weaned on the Map of Stallman,
you defend it to your dying day... but every year thousands
of new students struggle to learn to think like RMS, and are
hit full in the face with the strangeness and the glory of
Gnu all at once.  I fear that soon they will all retreat to
the comfort of WIMP interfaces, whose initial learning curve
is shallow only because the plateau it reaches is so low.

I wonder how many people have upcase-region disabled?  Would
it be too much to suggest that it never should've been
assigned a keyboard command to begin with?  Why not
eliminate it in future releases?

But then perhaps I've drifted too far from the way...  After
all, what other experience can compare to that of the
neophyte attempting to insert a file, and instead suddenly
converting half of the file to uppercase? 
 "Ah, the _Mystery_!"
From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
Subject: Re: New Maps of --
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:23:44 GMT
	<ABRAHAM.92Apr14211814@galilei.iesd.auc.dk>
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <ABRAHAM.92Apr14211814@galilei.iesd.auc.dk>, Per Abrahamsen (pa) writes:


>>>>> On 13 Apr 92 00:42:39 GMT, doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) said:

pa> Suppose you rewrote the GNU Emacs Manual.
pa> Suppose you rewrote the local guides.
pa> Suppose you rewrote the Emacs clones the students can run on their
pa> home computers.
pa> Suppose you tutored all the new users at Stanford, since the old users
pa> would no longer be able to help.

And X, remember to rewrite the Athena text widget.
And then gnu line input library.

Joseph> * In general, give ease of typing priority over mnemonics.

pa> Make sure the cursor keys works.

These two are, of course, contradictory. Given the choice I'd prefer
the arrow keys to do something related to thier position. On most
keyboards they are so far from anywhere that they should probably book
you an air ticket to Outer Mongolia.

I have them bound to window manager operations for X -- they're
closer to the mouse than the home row.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_0_
					 |<
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
From: dhl@mrdog.msl.com (Donald H. Locker)
Subject: Re: Can't teach old dog new tricks...
Organization: Chelsea MSL, Inc., Chelsea, MI
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 14:49:42 GMT

In article <JET.92Mar31172251@karazm.math.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J Eric Townsend) writes:
[text deleted]
>
>Or, I could have a root-owned-emacs, and a me-owned-emacs, and ...
>
This was my soltion; running X11R4, in my login xterm, I start up an
emacs as me, su to root and start my root emacs, su to uucpadm to get
an emacs for it, back to root and su to news, ...

>(The one think I want in EMACS is vi's "." command.  I don't want to
>have to type M-x something more than once if I need to do it more than
>once.  I'd love to be able to type M-x command, move the cursor, hit
>"." (or some other non-control single character), move the cursor, hit
>".", repeat until nauseated.)
>
I use C-x ESC to repeat the previous commands (editing them as
needed), but the M-p/M-n to get previous/next commands was too
awkward, I use:

;; add previous-line and next-line to repeat map
(define-key repeat-complex-command-map "\C-p" 'previous-complex-command)
(define-key repeat-complex-command-map "\C-n" 'next-complex-command)

>While I'm wishing, has anyone written an ex/sed-like macro package for
>emacs?  I've gotten really good at obscure regexp syntax thanks to 6
>years of vi'ing files 8 hours a day. :-)
>
>--

Check out (command-apropos) the regex functions (replace-regex,
query-replace-regex, ...)
-- 

Donald.
``Good. Fast. Cheap.  Pick any two.'' Erwin Frand, IR&D Editorial, Late '70s
#include <disclaimers.h>   //  Though I and my employer are indistinguishable
From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
Subject: Re: New Maps of --
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:18:14 GMT
Organization: HUGIN Expert A/S


>>>>> On 13 Apr 92 00:42:39 GMT, doom@elaine5.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) said:

Joseph> Suppose I completely redesigned my keymap and then offered it
Joseph> up as a new alternative, encouraging others to use it?

Joseph> Further suppose I decide to talk the sys admins here at
Joseph> Stanford into making it the default keymap for all new users
Joseph> of emacs?

Suppose you rewrote the GNU Emacs Manual.
Suppose you rewrote the local guides.
Suppose you rewrote the Emacs clones the students can run on their
	home computers.
Suppose you tutored all the new users at Stanford, since the old users
	would no longer be able to help.

Joseph> Would there be anything evil, anything deeply un-Gnu about this?

Suppose not.

Joseph> Some Doom notes for a more rational keybinding (in order of priority):

Joseph> * Avoid collision with other uses of control characters:
Joseph> ** Use C-? instead of C-h for help

Suppose C-? means `DEL', which happens to be the Delete key on many
	keyboards, including mine.  Burn in hell.

Joseph> ** Use C-c as command interrupt only (in addition to C-g?)

Suppose you rewrite all official and contributed major modes, which
	all uses C-c to invoke mode specific functions.

Joseph> ** Use C-" for quoting control characters rather than C-q

Suppose C-" returns character 042 (") on my keyboard.

Joseph> ** May need to switch all C-s commands to something else also.

Suppose so.

Joseph> * Minor-errors should have only minimal effect.
Joseph> ** Avoid cases of possible confusion in two character commands:
Joseph> *** Similarity of C-x u and C-x C-u can cause new problem rather than fix one

Disable C-x C-u for novice users (and fumble fingered users like me).

Joseph> *** C-x C-f and C-x f should not do such wildly different things.

Disable C-x f for novice users (and fumble fingered users like me).

Joseph> * Remove dyslexia in commands, where possible:
Joseph> ** C-x > and C-x < go in counter-intuitive directions as defined.

I get it wrong 50% of the time.  Reversing would mean I got it wrong
the other 50% of the time.

Joseph> * Modify cursor controls in the direction of wordstar/turbo pascal/etc:

Make sure the cursor keys works.

Joseph> * In general, give ease of typing priority over mnemonics.

Make sure the cursor keys works.
From: scr@matt.ksu.ksu.edu ( SURESH C. REDDY)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
Subject: Emacs command list...
Date: 17 Apr 1992 00:38:37 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: Command summary

Hi,
	Does any body have a command list for emacs. I would really
appreciate if someone can send it to me.

Thanx in advance


-- 
Hours, hours, and the moments in between
Oh baby, I could count the times
I have thought of comin' on a plane and leavin'
Baby, dry those silver eyes.                   -- Led Zeppelin
From: janne@seita.oulu.fi (Janne Himanka)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs
Subject: Re: New Maps of --
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:12:46 GMT
	<EKLEE.92Apr13175901@sparc.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: OPS --- Oulun PuolipalloSeura
In-reply-to: eklee@sparc.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 13 Apr 92 22:59:01 GMT

>>>>> "Edward" == Edward K. Lee <eklee@sparc.CS.Berkeley.EDU> writes:

	Edward> Thus, it is impractical to drastically change Emacs
	Edward> keymaps without also changing the keymap of every
	Edward> application you are likely to run under Emacs.  On the
	Edward> brighter side, if you change over to the Dvorak
	Edward> keyboard, your key bindings may actually improve :)
	Edward> Yea, that's it!  Why didn't I think of it before!  The
	Edward> solution is to come up with an Emacs *keyboard* that
	Edward> is optimized for Emacs!

Of course! Now, let's think. Even a HYPER key would be great, since it
would reduce those C-x 4b things to one-level combinations. Or would
it be enough? Maybe a SUPER wouldn't harm either. 

But why stop there? We could make a keyboard that was like a piano
keyboard: from the tactile nuances it would interpret the meaning of
each keypress. For the most sensitive people a cat-skin keyboard
could be manufactured that would accurately sense the minuscule
differences in direction, pressure, sustain, temperature and
determination of each touch. Even the driest routine letters would
become poetry with this keyboard! Every Emacs function, macro and
defsubst would spring up to be of avail, and even nameless lambda
lists would totter to and fro to witness the great occasion of such
typing artistry! Oooh, what an enormous vision, I will surely found a
company and be the thirteenth richest man in keyboard industry!


-Shem, the brother of Shaun

"What did you do with the Pharaoh + shem@phoenix.oulu.fi
 Great Outhouse 8?"               + shem@nic.funet.fi
"We ate him. He was unspeakably   + TKOP-HJH@FINOU
 toothsome."                      + Oulu Univ., Dept. of Libr. & Inf. Sc.