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From: sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames)
Subject: Command Control Revised Draft
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:13:11 GMT

Thanks to Herb Poppe the revised version of the command control standard
is down to about 115K.  I will send out this smaller version together with
an ANSCII version this afternoon.

The revisions in this version are minor.

The only technical question open at this time is the proper method
for changing the signal so that it has less interference to the AM
band.  There are several solutions, none has been adopted until more
experimentation is done.

I will be leaving this afternoon until after Columbus.

Stan Ames

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:04:48



can we get you to leave it for anonymous ftp somewhere?
From: demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Small layout ideas
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:41:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

>OK... I'm still toying with N, and even beginning to realise that you can do HO
>in limited space if you're crafty. I am telling myself I won't sink any REAL 
>money into this for a while, but just in case, can someone point me to some
>references on doing very small layouts? As in 2-4' x 3-5', or thereabouts? I
>picked up the current MR, I think, that had an article on a layout called the
>"Petite Pines," that was an HO layout in 4' x 5'. And a rather nice one, at
>that! These references could be for generic, HO, or N scale. Preferably N, of
>course (since that's what I am ultimately after).

Get the book "101 Model Railroad Plans".  It has a great variety of different
types that can be built in any scale.  Take the features that you like in
various layouts, combine them, add any ideas of your own, and you'll have
a very nice layout.  Another book to add into that is "Track Planning for
Realistic Operation".  It is invaluable for designing track plans that will
run well ... without it, you'll most likely build in something that will
cause nothing but frustration when you actually try to run trains.  Plus,
it gives great ideas for things to put in your railroad to make it more fun.

On another topic, if you're looking at building a 2x4' or thereabouts N layout, 
I strongly suggest looking into building it to Ntrak standards.  This way, not 
only can it be used as your home layout, but you can also take it to Ntrak
shows (there may even be an Ntrak club in your area ... if there is, check with
them, as some clubs require some of the Ntrak-optional trackage) and join in 
with them on their larger show-layout.  I personally went this route, and am
presently working on a 2.5'x8' diesel engine facility that will be both my
home layout and an Ntrak module.

Good luck, and have fun.
     _______________    _________________________________   ____________
 c--/[] \__________ |  |         Darryl E. Marsee        |   |  <__>  |
i|_(___#___________\|i | demarsee@logdis1.wr.aflc.af.mil |  i|________|i
+#`o=o'#`---^-'`o=o'#++~~`o=o'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`o=o'~~++#`o=o'`o=o'#+
From: nick@sunpix.East.Sun.COM (Nick England - Sun NC Development Center)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Model RR in Chicago ??
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:15:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Research Triangle Park, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: trancjne.east.sun.com

Since I'll be in Chicago next week for the SIGGRAPH conference and might
have some spare time - I was wondering what interesting model RR shops
or exhibits are in the area.

thanks
Nick 
nick.england@east.sun.com
From: craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Live Steam in New England
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:28:43 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32

mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher) writes:

>3/4" scale  = 3 1/2" guage
>1" scale    = 4 3/4" guage
>1 1/2 scale = 7 1/4" guage

>The third is important.  In the northeast and England, it is 7 1/4.  Elsewhere
>it is 7 1/2.  There are precious few tracks that can handle both!  Some people
>in the 7 1/2 camp scale their engines to 1.6" scale, so the guage is closer to
>scale, but this is another discussion/flamewar.

In Australia we use 7.25" gauge and 5" gauge mainly. I've never heard of or
seen a 7.5" gauge live steam model, although from what you say there are
obviously some around.
 
C ya later.... Craig.
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Command Control Revised Draft
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:13:28 GMT

In article <24753@dog.ee.lbl.gov> wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown) writes:
>>Thanks to Herb Poppe the revised version of the command control standard
>>is down to about 115K.  I will send out this smaller version together with
>>an ANSCII version this afternoon.
>
>These files are available for anonymous ftp on
>	"srv1d.bev.lbl.gov" (131.243.192.55)
>as  "/pub/nmra/CCR_draft_0.6R" (PostScript version)

Bill etc

   I downloaded the postscript version and every thing prints fine till
page 4 when all the pages are backwards i.e. you have to hold the back 
of the page up and read from the back.  Did I do something wrong??  At
least it all prints on a postscript printer with reasonable memory.


Thanks
stewart de journett
Texas Instruments

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller)
Subject: Re: N-scale Trees
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:28:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: woodland scenics

In article <SDupa.29.0@xview.csuohio.edu>, SDupa@xview.csuohio.edu (Scott Hewis) writes:
> Anyone out there have suggestions for modeling trees in N-scale?
> Most everything I've seen seems to be out of scale when it comes to the 
> foliage on the trees.  I realize that maybe a little nit-picky, but I'm
> curious to know what other people are doing.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Scott
I've been using the Woodland Scenics plastic kits.  For N scale the smallest
size is appropriate unless you're modeling old growth in the pacific northwest
or northern california.  I think they look really good if you just build the
kit based on the instructions.  keep the ground foam sparse--it's easy to add
more to fill hollows, but too much just looks like a blob.  I also mix up
the colors--for example the light green from the deciduous kit when applied to
a coniferous trunk is pretty close to the red cedars I can see out my window.
sprinkling "turf" of a slightly lighter color than the foliage looks
surprisingly like the sun is shining on the tree.  you can drybrush the
textured trunks with dark grey paint to bring out the texture of the bark.
both of these are easy to do, but time consuming.  The kits are about $10
for about 40 N scale trees, and you can build them in a shoebox lid while
watching TV.

One of the layouts I saw at last year's Narrow Gauge Convention had some
trees made from a plant called "Pride of Madera" and ground foam, and they
were very impressive--lots of little branches sticking out just like a real
coniferous tree.  The plant apparently grows well in California, but not as
far north as Seattle.  I can't help but think Ohio would be worse...

yeah, the granules of the ground foam are several times bigger than a leaf,
but what can you do?  The trees I build from the woodland scenics kits look
better than the ones sold premade, and I think the premade woodland scenics
trees are the best I've seen in a store--way better than the "bottle brush"
trees, and especially the ones with cast plastic branches.

					-Hans
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: hughbria@ux1.isu.edu (Brian Hughes)
Subject: Mail order source for Atlas track
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:52:42 GMT

Hi Everyone,

I'm new to model railroading, just starting into N guage and was
wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a mail
order firm that has decent prices on Atlas track and switches. 
There is a local hobby store here that said they can order me
anything in the Walthers catalog, but since I'm just starting to
set up a layout and will need to order quite a few items, I was
hoping to avoid paying $retail$

Thanks,
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: karayan@rigel.uucp (24112-karayannopoulos)
Subject: Re: Small layout ideas -- and a request!
Reply-To: karayan@rigel.UUCP (karayannopoulos,george)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 02:27:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.202419.1043@advtech.uswest.com> rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:

>OK... I'm still toying with N, and even beginning to realise that you can do HO
>in limited space if you're crafty. I am telling myself I won't sink any REAL 
>money into this for a while, but just in case, can someone point me to some
>references on doing very small layouts? As in 2-4' x 3-5', or thereabouts? I
>picked up the current MR, I think, that had an article on a layout called the
>"Petite Pines," that was an HO layout in 4' x 5'. And a rather nice one, at
>that! These references could be for generic, HO, or N scale. Preferably N, of
>course (since that's what I am ultimately after).
>
>Randy
>-- 

MR has publishes small layout plans from time to time.  The 4x5 HO
layout was nicely done indeed.  There was a 4x8 HO layout published 
in MR some years ago, with an urban theme.  Half of it (2x8) was
station trackage UNDER a city, thus allowing you to use your favorite 
city building kits.  The other half was a small yard for switching,
leading to no less than 6 industries!!!!!  The author included a
discussion of operation that seemed interesting. I started building this
plan in N scale, on a 2x4 tabletop, but since then I modified the
plan and lost the original article.  Does anybody know what I'm talking
about and can find the reference?  Anybody with an MR index for the
last 4-5 years?  It was called "Urban modelling" or some such thing.

___________________________________________________________________

George Karayannopoulos        Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ.

karayan@rigel.cc.bellcore.com

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employer's.
___________________________________________________________________

George Karayannopoulos        Bellcore, Red Bank, NJ.

Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Subject: Re: Edit Track II
Keywords: Edit Track II, Available, Canada
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:00:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.151139.12831@ryn.mro4.dec.com> greene@edisto.mro4.dec.com (Michael Greene) writes:
>
>EDITTRAK was put on CompuServe back in Jan 92. The file (with doc's)
>was ET2.ZIP. 

Michael etc...

When I looked in Compuserve I was looking in library 13 obviously there
is another place to look for train programs??  What library is ET2.ZIP in??


** Regarding another program, I have a question for the group.  I just got
some literature about a program named TRAINMASTER by Corporate Stategies.

Does anyone have any experience with this program i.e. is it worth buying??


Thanks
stewart de journett
Texas Instruments
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:25:42 EDT
From: <JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject:    PKware unzipper for .ZIP files

I have placed a copy of the self-extracting archive PKZ110.EXE on
JDB.PSU.EDU in the default directory. Get it the same way you got
ET2.ZIP (trains, k4s, binary, get). Hope this helps those of you
who don't have a way to get a copy.
Cheers!
John Balogh, Penn State Model Railroad Club, Electrical Crew, JDB@ECL.PSU.EDU
From: patnaik@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (Gopal Patnaik)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: RR sounds
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:51:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

I have been listening to the sounds posted in alt.binaries.sounds.misc with
interest. Does anyone know where I can purchase a cassete or CD of RR
sounds? I could not find anything in the Model Railroader magazine.  I am
interested in both steam and diesel sounds.  I'd rather not have to purchase
a video tape just for the sounds.

Gopal Patnaik, patnaik@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: What is Edit Track II?
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:25:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad

In article <1992Jul29.172055.18167@cabezon.uucp>, joee@cabezon.uucp (Joe
Eckardt) wrote:
> 
> Would someone be willing to either post a copy to this newsgroup or
> email me a copy?  I am unfortunately one of those that do not have
> ftp access (anonymous or otherwise) although we're working on it.
> 

I too, am in this unfortunate (overprotective Corp security!) position, and
would appreciate an E-Mail copy, if possible.

Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: tomd@rb-csd.SanDiego.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Request for Information
Keywords: Information 
Reply-To: tomd@rb-csd.SanDiego.NCR.COM ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:41:24 GMT

Greetings fellow model railroaders,

I am an MBA student currently working on a practicum project to 
complete my degree.   I have chosen for my project the task of
developing a business plan for an entrepreneur who plans to market
a database service to various model railroaders interested in 
buying, selling, and trading model railroading equipment.  

I am having some difficulty locating information that details the 
history of model railroading.  I would also like to get hold of 
some demographic information about model railroading as well
(e.g. number of model railroaders in US/World, number of dealers
or model railroading shops in the US/World, number of model
railroaders using a particular scale, etc.).   If anyone
knows where I can access this kind of information, please
e-mail me at the address listed above.  Thanks in advance.
From: SDupa@xview.csuohio.edu (Scott Hewis)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Mail order source for Atlas track
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:02:42 GMT
Organization: Cleveland State University - Telecomm

In article <Brt8rv.Az0@ux1.isu.edu> hughbria@ux1.isu.edu (Brian Hughes) writes:
>From: hughbria@ux1.isu.edu (Brian Hughes)
>Subject: Mail order source for Atlas track
>Date: 22 Jul 92 21:52:42 GMT

>Hi Everyone,

>I'm new to model railroading, just starting into N guage and was
>wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a mail
>order firm that has decent prices on Atlas track and switches. 
>There is a local hobby store here that said they can order me
>anything in the Walthers catalog, but since I'm just starting to
>set up a layout and will need to order quite a few items, I was
>hoping to avoid paying $retail$

>Thanks,

Try ordering from TRAIN SPECIALTIES, 11540 AUBURN ROAD, CHARDON, OHIO 44024.
The owner's name is Don Thomas and I've been doing business with him for 
almost 20 years.  He will order from both Walthers and Con Cor and gives
a discount of 20% to 30% off of retail.  Don does a lot of mail order
business both here and international.  Give him a try I think you"ll be
pleased.  Telephone number is 216-286 6403.

Scott
--------------------------------------
* Scott Hewis; Telecom Specialist    *
* Cleveland State University         *
* email c/o scott@asgard.csuohio.edu *
--------------------------------------
From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: new MRC controller 20 powerpack
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:00:40 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <920720113935@d-cell.ftp.com>, stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles)
writes, in part:

>well, over the weekend i purchased a new power pack, a MRC controller 20.
>this is *slightly* better than my MRC tech II 1300, in that it has 85VA of
>output, a hand held throttle with memory, brake, momentum (with an idiot
>light telling you it is on, incase you cant read the switch)

	Well, an idiot light for mine, then.  The switch may say ON, but if the
	light is out, I can tell real quick that there is something wrong, and
	a guess as to what.  I may be biased from too many harried/hurried
	temporary setups, fighting a time line, tyring to get a modular
	layout up.  I guess, for permanent installation, the lite may be less
	needed.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass		01752	pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: salfi@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Mike Salfi)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Any posts lately
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:01:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

I haven't seen any posts on this newsgroup in over a week. Is there no
activity or am I just not getting the feeds anymore.  I continue to see
activity on rec.railroad.

Mike Salfi
From: demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: RR sounds
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:26:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

>I have been listening to the sounds posted in alt.binaries.sounds.misc with
>interest. Does anyone know where I can purchase a cassete or CD of RR
>sounds? I could not find anything in the Model Railroader magazine.  I am
>interested in both steam and diesel sounds.  I'd rather not have to purchase
>a video tape just for the sounds.

Check out the "Colossal Sounds" series CD's.  I've got three of them that
are all rail sounds, some steam, some diesel.  Fantastic.
                          ____                  
Darryl E. Marsee         |    \   1926 CCSG/SCCI 205 Perry Street
Control Data Systems     |  *  \  Robins Air Force Base, GA 31098
demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil  |_____/  demarsee@logdis1.wr.aflc.af.mil
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: rupertb@is.morgan.com (Rupert Brown)
Subject: Re Shopping in SF/LA		
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:20 GMT

Thanks to everybody who gave me addresses in SF/LA to visit, I managed
to get to one shop in LA (Allied Model Trains ? in Santa Monica/Marina Del Rey)
Nice shop but didnt have any motors / gearboxes to suit me
(UK outline 16.5MM Gauge 4mm Finescale) 
I was particularly after KTM DH13s and Mashima TA12 motors - can someone give
me an indication of what they retail for in US$ as I shall probably be over
in the US again later this year.



Xref: sparky rec.models.railroad:1430 rec.railroad:5896
From: wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad,rec.railroad
Subject: Petaluma & Santa Rosa Ry
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:24:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.243.192.17

Last night I happened to see the spring issue of _The Northwesterner_, published
by the Northwestern Pacific Historical Society, which happens to be devoted
to the Petaluma & Santa Rosa.  Several nice pictures of locomotives, both
early steeple-cabs and later G.E. 44-tonners.  Unfortunately, the pictures
are all black and white.  Can anyone give me color information?  I'm interested
in both electric and diesels, the diesels are shown in two different paint
schemes.

Also, "44-tonners" #3 and #4 were equipped for multiple-unit operation.
Examining the photos, I don't see any sign of M.U. hoses or control cable
sockets.  Does anyone have any information on how the connections were set up.
(Perhaps only one end of each unit was equipped.  Of course, that end
wouldn't show up in pictures of the two units operating together.)

Disclaimer:  These opinions are my own and have	    |
    nothing to do with the official policy or the   |  -bill
    management of L.B.L, who probably couldn't      |   wlbrown@lbl.gov
    care less about employees who play with trains. |
From: d88-hba@nada.kth.se (Harald Barth)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: N-Scale: BL2
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:47:07 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden


Today I converted my BL2 to Kadees. I'll comment the installation
according the steps on the back of the package:

(1) "saw or cut motor chassis lips back"  Don't cut them too short.
    The body shell will rock back and forth :-( (A friend of mine 
    actually did this and was really surprised of the effect)

(5) I've tried to minimize the gap between the frame and pilot. This 
    increases coupler height and you'll have to switch top and bottom
    of the coupler pocket. (Do this when you're in the mood.) Yes, 
    their thickness differs. 

    Remove paint from inside before super-glueing.

(6)-(8) I don't follow the instruction here.

    Instead I drill a 0.8mm (all metric here :-) hole through the deck, 
    using the coupler pocket as a guide. The screw will self-tap. 
    Gentle! The shell is of a soft kind of plastic. You might want to
    shorten the screw some fractions of a Millimeter.

Be sure to check and doublecheck the height of your arrangement.

So what I've got? - A loco where 1/3 of the price tag goes to the
Kadee coupler. Nevertheless an engine with capabilities:

*Still about half the price compared to RS-3 (Kato) and the likes.

*Runs good, even low speeds (without flywheel).

*Good paint job. I like the FEC-painting. (Considering that one 
 can't change history: The C&NW did'n have ant BL2s.)

*Strong - sorry, I havn't got a "string, roll and weight" measuring 
 arrangement.

What about the flaws? I hadn't had any yet. I'm suspicious about:

-Finish. These weights have a strange surface.

-Sevice. I'm pretty sure I can't get any spare parts. My BL2 came 
 all the way China - US - Sweden. I don't expect it either. 

 (In the future I may use the same strategy that was used by the
 former "brothernations" of the Sovjet Union when they were forced
 to buy from Moskva: Buy one more for spares.)

-Stall. Does i pick up dirt, leading to bad conductivity later?

-Long run height absorbance. I'll know for sure after the exhibition 
 in november.

Is it worth to install directional light? I don't know if the
prototype had this "feature". Many german locomotives of the same
time had all lights on/off, for example.

Harald.
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haba@stacken.kth.se			1:160, 1:32, 1:1 (no order)
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From: sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Command Control Revised Draft
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:56:55 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc

>>   I downloaded the postscript version and every thing prints fine till
>>page 4 when all the pages are backwards i.e. you have to hold the back 
>>of the page up and read from the back.  Did I do something wrong??  At
>>least it all prints on a postscript printer with reasonable memory.
>
>I sure hope one of the net.postscript.gurus has an answer to this.
>It printed ok for me.  I haven't a clue!  I can't even guess what
>could have happened, short of the famous "looks like a hardware
>problem to me" type of answer!
>
Bil ...

   I tried the file again but this time on our VAX postscript LN03 printer.
This time everything went just fine.  The only thing I can figure out is 
that I was using print on the PC maybe the print command has a buffer size
limitation.  The standard has some long lines in it.  Maybe the graphics on
page 3 partiallly printed but left the printer in a confused mode.  Anyway
I FINALLY got it to print.  

Thanks for the help

stewart de journett
Texas Instruments
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad