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From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.181906.20681@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug27.140348.12457@cbnews.cb.att.com>, vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici) writes:
[...]
>>> The only thing that is bothering me is that when
>>> you pick up its rear feet to clean them that he
>>> seems to look to you for balance.
[...]
>>

 Leaning for support during shoeing is actually a quite common 
 complaint of most farriers. 
 
 It usually comes down to a matter of manners.

 My horses 
	  Do not lean on me while I'm picking their feet
	  Do not move around during grooming
	  Stand quietly while I'm bathing them
	  Lower their heads for me to put on their bridle (I'm quite short)
		and clip their ears and bridlepath
      Stand while I'm mounting *until I tell them to move*, not until
		my butt hits the saddle (I've seen riders who put up with 
		horses who stand until their foot is in the stirrup, then
		OFF they go, pull on reins, two steps forward, pull on reins)
      etc, etc, etc

 To convince yourself if it's a matter of manners, all you have to do is
 pick up his foot and don't give him anything to lean against! He may stumble
 out of shock the first time or two, but then he'll hold up his foot. If he
 starts getting lazy after you've had his hoof in you hand a few seconds,
 (and he probably will if he's made a habit out of this for a while)
 you may have to give him a shove with you elbow, or even a smack with a crop 
 on his rump, but there is no reason to put up with bad manners. Your farrier
 and your back will thank you.

 patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Chennelle - progress report (was Thoughts On a Severe Injury)
Originator: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:27:20 GMT


I wanted to express my appreciation, on behalf of Brenda and Chennelle
to those who have written to express their concern.  I tried to respond
individually, although there were one or two whose reply bounced - please
accept this as my thanks.

Chennelle is recovering quickly and the wound looks better than I
ever thought would be possible.  The hole over the cannon bone has
closed over completely and the vets have been diligent in trimming
the proudflesh to that it follows the proper shape of the leg.  Given
the size of the hole (exposed the cannon bone for about 6" between
the hock and the fetlock, down the entire front of her leg and about
2-3" wide around the front and outside, also exposed the fetlock joint).
The cut extensor tendon and the broken splint bone do not appear to
be bothering her at all.

She is taking confinement well, but doesn't think much of her turnout.
She's been on handwalking only, with grazing for about 20 minutes a
day.  Otherwise she is in a large box stall with windows on two sides,
located right at the front door of the barn - lots of people going
by all the time.  The attention has spoiled her but she's so cheerful
about it nobody can get mad.

We tried turning her out in a small paddock, alone, on a dry and sunny
day, and before administering bute but she bolted anyway.  Since she
doesn't seem to understand quiet convalescence she'll be in the
box stall until the last crevice has closed and the bandaging and
hydrotherapy are done.  At least then she isn't too likely to open
it up by exploding during turnout.

As of last Saturday, she has been weaned off the bute, successfully, and
we anticipate scheduling skin grafts in the next few weeks.  Also
on Saturday, we held the fund raiser trail ride.  I'm pleased to report
it was a great success.  The weather was warm and *sunny* - the first
really nice weekend since the beginning of June.  27 riders showed up
and the organizers managed to turn it into a poker run.  With donations
from friends and the riders, we raised $364 which has
already gone toward the bills at the Equine Research Centre in 
Guelph.  We anticipate the entire cost of this accident will probably
hit $1000. but the best news is that Brenda has finally received
her call back to work (after 3 mons. layoff) and fully expects to
be able to finish the payments by this time next year.

Thank you again for your concern,

Ruth

-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@torsqnt.tor.sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Vetting
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Distribution: rec.equestrian
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:58:40 GMT






It is in fact a conflict of interest for your vet do the pre-purchase e
examination on a horse that you are selling.  A vet I know ended up in
court because he had vetted a horse for puchase (on the insistance of the
buyer) for whom he was the seller's regular vet.

Cathy
clever@sequent.com

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Subject: Re: leasing new horse and need help
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:11:18 GMT


tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
]	 Hoof dressing is somewhat controversial, many people think the horse
] must have it or the hoof will dry out, lately a lot of info has been coming
] out about how the horse's hoof does best without it.  Apparently the hoof is
] much more prone to problems when moist, not dry, dry is naturally the best
] state for the hoof as it is hard and less prone to bruising or fungal 
] infections.  

Overly moist hooves are indeed a problem, but so are over-dry hooves.
When a hoof is too dry, the sole and frog become very hard, and no longer
provide the shock absorbtion and blood pumping assistance that they
are meant too. From our own experience, dry hoof walls seem brittle
and prone to flaking and cracking.

However, it's our opinion ( my wife and I ), supported by a study
she assisted in at college, that hoof dressings are no more effective
than just brushing the hooves with water.

Our own hoof maintence during the hottest dryest part of the Phoenix AZ
summer is to make a muddy area every morning and feed the horses their
hay and grain ( in feeders ) inside the muddy area, so they have to stand
in the mud for a half hour or so. This results in nice resilant frogs,
good soles and strong hoof walls. Our ferrier really likes the results.

] Which ever case you support if the hoof is in good shape I
] would not do anything to it.

But of course !

]	 As for shampoo, I use a mild human hair shampoo by Nature's Gate,
] I prefer it as many horse shampoos are harsh and irritating.

We use "no tears" baby shampoo, ourselves. And not very often ( twice
or three times a year maybe ), but then, we don't show. We do hose
them down and scrape them about twice a month, and after heavy riding.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: MORE ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:05:33 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


First, I want to thank all of the people who sent me posts about the skin condition
that my horse had.  I tried a number of the suggestions and found that the grey,
flaky stuff disappeared when I changed fly sprays and covered the area with Vasiline.
I did this because it appeared to be flaking on his nose and that looked as if the
skin had been irritated by either fly spray or was sunburn.  In any case, he is
back to his sleek, beautiful-looking self (am I objective, or what?!).

Now for the next dilemma.  My friend has a horse immediately adjacent to mine, and she
is having a horrible time with skin problems.  Her horse's coat appears almost
"rippled" from whatever this aliment is.  This condition covers his chest, flanks and
sides, and when you run your hands over his coat, it feels bumpy.  When she curries
him, she removes scab-like stuff (sorry, my technical language fails me).  The coat
isn't "staring" (the hair standing on end) but it appears rough as a result of these
ubiquitous bumps.  She is a very thorough groomer, so it's not a case of someone
being negligent in their grooming.  She said he has had these bumps for about 1 month
and now the scabbing is evident and is getting worse. She bathes him frequently with
baby shampoo (that someone recently told me was rather harsh...)

Anyone out there have some suggestions about what she should try?  She's very
desperate, so any help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks everyone!

Jill, Bliss and
Suzanne with Eclipse (the bumpy one)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: majewski@bach.udel.edu (Kathleen Majewski)
Subject: Fescue
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:02:27 GMT

I was under the impression,that Fescue grass was not harmful as far as abortions. What it does, especially in the miniature horses, is cause the sac to be very
strong,that it will not break or tear upon birthing! Therefore the foals die in
the sac. That is why so many people need to be there during birth, just in case.If by chance the mare foals in the pasture, and something catches the sac, say
a tree stump etc., and tears it, then that is even better, and chances are
everything will turn out alright.
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Subject: Re: Looking for good ARABIAN riding horse
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:09:00 GMT

In article <DOCONNOR.92Aug24094549@potato.sedona.intel.com>, doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor) writes...
> 
>dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler) writes:
>] Hey everybody! I am looking for a 16-hand-high Arabian horse that is
>] gelded. he has to be healthy, trainable, and strong! and good with dogs and
>] children!. He has to be a riding horse. We have been looking for months,
>] Nothing!
> 
>Arabians are traditionally a smaller breed of horse, being more
>purely derived from the small desert horses of mideaval Arabia
>than any other breed. ( I'm a little disappointed with the way the
>breed has gotten larger with time in this country. ) 16HH Arabs are
>not going to be easy to find.
> 

Although I agree that 16HH Arabs are difficult to find, there are MANY in the
15-15.2 range in the show ring these days. Unless the person riding is very
tall (6 foot+), this size should be sufficient.


>Arabs are also famously short-backed. I don't know why the horse you
>want needs to be strong, but if it's because the rider will be large,
>please consider a longer-backed breed. My wife's Arab has some permanent
>damage to his spine from someone riding him with too large a saddle,
>and you wouldn't want that to happen. I myself am too large to ever want
>to ride my wife's or any other Arabian ( I have a stock-QH-style horse).
> 

I must STRONGLY disagree with this point. An Arabian can carry MUCH more
weight for longer distances than other breeds of horses. Just how large are
you that you think you are "too large" for an Arabian. My 14.2 gelding can
easily carry a 220 pound man. Don't sell Arabs short (no pun intended!). Their 
short back is an ASSET not a detriment. Damaging a horse by using an 
ill-fitting saddle can happen to any breed, not just Arabians.

>What do you plan to do with the horse ? Why do you want an Arabian ?
>--
>Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com

Perhaps because they are a beautiful, intelligent, loving companion, a people-
loving horse with LOADS of stamina and brain power. 

Barbara Roy, University of Iowa, Weeg Computing Center, Iowa City, IA.  52242
Meadowacres Arabians
Internet:   broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or Barbara-Roy@uiowa.edu
Bitnet:     broyva@uiamvs.bitnet  
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: neilson@osf.org (Peter Neilson)
Subject: Re: Sending a "history" with a horse at sale????
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:26:28 GMT

In article <9209031323.AA05291@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>
>This week, the local coronor convened a hearing into a buggy accident
>which happened earlier this year, during which a buggy horse spooked
>on the highway and smashed into a cement truck, killing the (human)
>driver and injury its passenger.

  [reasonable recommendations from coroner's jury omitted]

>6.  The jury also recommended that any horse sold be accompanied
>    by a "history" detailing the horse's training and temperament
>    so that a potential buyer has some information by which to
>    judge the likelihood of a problem in a highway situation.
>
>This is the item that most concerns me.  I can see the potential 
>interest for the buyer, but given the misrepresentation and down right
>lying that is typical of the average horse trading transaction (at
>least in my experience), what is the likelihood that a buyer will
>be getting accurate information? 
 
   [more stuff omitted]

>The victim's last words:  "What made us think we could ever handle
>this horse?"
>
>Discussion?
>
>Ruth    

I would bet the jury never bought a horse.  Did they consider that the
horse history documents will need to be regulated, and that the Horse
History Document Authority will be staffed by (you guessed it!) HORSE
TRADERS?  Lord knows, the Amish aren't going to volunteer to serve on
any government authority!  Somehow it does not seem to make sense to
instruct the Amish in the arts of buying, training, or driving, even
if one thinks it is for their own good.  Make that "-especially- if."
-- 
            >>>  Peter Neilson  --- neilson@osf.org  <<<
                   Never believe anything you think.
(Quotation changed daily.  If you've seen this one before, it's still yesterday.)
From: dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Looking for good riding horse
Summary: looking...
Keywords: looking for good Arabian horse
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:12:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Totally Disorganized..

Hey everybody! I am looking for a 16-hand-high Arabian horse that is
gelded. he has to be healthy, trainable, and strong! and good with dogs and
children!. He has to be a riding horse. We have been looking for months,
Nothing! Where are all the horses going? to the glue-factory? Anyway, the
ower of such a fine horse should contact us at 297-4316. He should also be
in the New England area.   
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lmasterm@cs.ulowell.edu (Lisa Masterman)
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
Originator: lmasterm@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Keywords: leather saddles ve synthetic
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:28:13 GMT


In article <sysmatt.714127761@aix3090b.uky.edu>, sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson) writes:
|> I don't have any personal experience with synthetic saddles. But in recent
|> years, quite a few of them have appeared in the local hunt club. Every  time
|> I see a new convert, I ask him/her about the saddle. They all rave about
|> them ... I've never heard any complaints from a synthetic owner. I think
|> all the ones I've seen in the hunt field have been Wintec.

For what it's worth, I know someone with a synthetic saddle, and she was
raving about it, too.  She said it was extremely comfortable, easier to
cling to than smooth leather, and she could hose it off along with the horse!

--lisa
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leaning
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:34:34 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug27.140348.12457@cbnews.cb.att.com>, vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici) writes:
> We are looking at a horse (to buy).
> The temperament, looks, size are perfect.
> The only thing that is bothering me is that when
> you pick up its rear feet to clean them that he
> seems to look to you for balance.
> When he travels he does travel straight and has no
> problem backing up.
> The horse is 8 years young - and seems not to have
> been neglected but looks as though it may have been
> more of a pet than a riding horse.
> Should I be concerned about his lack of balance when
> cleaning his feet?
> Thanks, GINI
> AT&T-BL
> mvuxd!vmm

What does the vet say?  Have you had a thorough vet check?

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (mlr21@cas.org)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fescue
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:03:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cas.1992Sep3.190323.4152
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service

In article <9209031257.AA04190@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>, Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
|> 
|> In a short article on suitable pasture for a horse paddock, written by
|> a "farm management specialist", I found this:
|> 
|> ...There are several species of grasses and legumes which are suitable [to
|> provide the horses with adequate footing].  On a well-drained soil a
|> combination of tall fescue, Kentucky bluegrass and white clover works
|>                     ^^^^^^
|> well...Other combinations...can include timothy and creeping red fescue.
|>                                                                  ^^^^^^
|> 
|> I thought that fescue was toxic, especially to pregnant mares.  Could
|> someone please verify this or correct me?  Otherwise, I'll write a 
|> letter to the editor of this local newspaper which is otherwise
|> respected and much read in an agricultural area.
|> 
|> Ruth

If I remember right, some fescues can cause abortion in pregnant mares. 
Other fescues have been bred?/hybridized? that are safer.

Mary Lee
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: my apologies to ponies...
Summary: oops...
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:02:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.140800.12202@lut.ac.uk>, M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk writes:
> >
> > My objections are to the minature thoroughbreds who are really only suited to the show ring (yes I'm sure this is worthwhile.. but...I like my ponies to be hard..) Connemaras are amongst my favourites, as are Welshies and in England Dartmoors are unbeat
> able.
> >
> >	Amanda.
> >	and Christy (who learnt not to shy away to the right, I have that leg in plaster and did she get a shock when I applied some pressure!!!)
> 
> Whilst I agree generally with Amanda on her opinions regarding what I
> call *proper* rather than "porcelain" ponies, I would take issue with
> her over Dartmoors.Do you mean *literally* what you say Amanda,or is
> it that you prefer them to our other native ponies? My personal preference
> is for the Exmoor,which has the distinction of being our oldest native
> pony(2000yrs it is believed).
> 	Ok maybe I should have put a qualifying "IMHO" in there.
I learnt to ride in England, and on Dartmoors, so I guess there will be a special place in my heart for them.

	Amanda.
	(In order to get your horse to listen to your legs,
	Break one, get it put in plaster {n.b. DO NOT use a stirrup on this
	side!!}, and then demonstrate to horse that when you apply some pressure  	you actually mean something.) 



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:48:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.122303.16950@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>
>
>What is your Quarter sheet made of?  I notice they usually come in wool or
>acrylic, which one might be better and why?  And if wool, any idea what kind?
>How about flannel, or should I avoid cotton?  I really don't ride in the rain,
>so I don't expect it to get wet.  Does it rub/chaf on the rump?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Melanie
>   and Quest
>-- 
>**************************************************************
>          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
>**************************************************************
>"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
>Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
>quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
>**************************************************************


 As I was reading your post, I rememberd an article in one of my

issues of Horse and Rider. Unfortunatly it was instructions on how 

to make a custom blanket for foals. However it did state in there

that wool can be abrasive and hard to clean. And cotton will shrink 

in the wash. It recommended using either 100% acrylic, 100% polyester

and vellux, made by Lady Pepperell. I hope that this may have been

some help. However, personally I am not familiar the quarter sheets

                    
                 Pam
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bad News
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:48:02 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


	Well, the news is not good.  I talked to the vet last night, my mare
is not in foal.  This means she has absorbed again.  The problem seems almost
certainly to be due to the stallion, he has gotten several mares in foal this
year, they have all checked in foal at 28 days, and not in foal at 45.  So,
Quality will be coming home soon, and next year I'll try again with another
stallion.  I will probably breed her to Fadl Starr, a lovely old Babson Blue
List stallion.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu (Angela Merritt)
Subject: Intercollegiate equestrian program?
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:44:02 GMT

 Hi,  I was wondering if anyone knows anything about
the intercollegiate equesterian programs offered at
universities.  Our university is going to start one
soon and I was wondering how it works.  I understand
the team travels to other universities and competes
on the hosting universities horses.  How often do
the competitions occur?  What are the requirements to
become a member of the team?  I am currently enrolled
at the university for the sole purpose of taking the
"english equestrian" course - would I qualify to be 
on the team if I am only taking this one course?
Is the intercollegiate equestrian program generally
well thought of?  If anyone has any experience with
this program I would love to hear from you!

Thanks!

Angie (amerritt@dante.nmsu.edu)
From: erik@csa.bu.edu (Erik McCormick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:46:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug27.173434.3782@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.140348.12457@cbnews.cb.att.com>, vmm@cbnews.cb.att.com (virginia.m.medici) writes:
(stuff deleted)
>> Should I be concerned about his lack of balance when
>> cleaning his feet?
>> Thanks, GINI
>> AT&T-BL
>> mvuxd!vmm
>
>What does the vet say?  Have you had a thorough vet check?
>
>Sue


Ditto on that.  If the Vet says it's OK, it shouldn't be a problem.  The
horse I rode for the last 3 years did this as well.  He never took a lame
step (except for when he through a shoe 8*( ) the entire time I had him.
It can be a bit annoying when the horse decides to put all his weight
(in this case a good 1200 pounds) onto you, but certainly not detrimental
to his performance.  I just considered it a mildly annoying personality
quirk.  Just my 1/10 of a cent worth (someones gotta make up all that
left over from the gas stations).


-Erik
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:58:22 GMT
Subject: FAQ
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO