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From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circle
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:45:41 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan26.223700.3525@trl.oz.au>, jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) writes...
>Time for a periodical re-airing of my pet theory about
>crop circles, and this time it is improved!
> 
>Wheat, after millions of years of natural evolution and
>thousands of years of selective breeding, has become
>*sentient*, and is trying to communicate with us.
> 
>Now for the improvement on the theory (hold onto your hats).
> 
>Hoaxers have been hypnotized by wheat into making crop
>circles. Or perhaps they have been bribed...
> 
> 

That's the best theory I've heard so far... :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
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Date: 22 Jan 93 12:08:55 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

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From: Scott_Leaf@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Leaf)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Finally a REAL Alien !!!
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:04:08 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

TO hell with all this talk of ST:TNG & DS9, I have a real Alien story.

I know an alien and he walks among us, his name is Michael Cordani and he
lives at 20616 Tyner Avenue, Maple Ridge, British Columbia, Canada.

He fits the typical Alien profile, loner, quiet, keeps to himself, involved
in strange activities, doesnt have a girlfriend but the most telling clue as
to his true origin is the Space Ship he has in his yard under a tarp.

His skin is really a synthetic latex which has been chemically enhanced here
on earth with a regiment of exercise and Steroids though it is obviously not
real skin as it remains paisely white even near the end of a scorching
Summer.

He consumes vast quantities of liquid proteins and alien nutrients that turn
the stomach of a human being, thus he usually hides his eating habits from
all but a select few decipiles that he has chosen for the quickening.

I am concerned that the government is missing out on a real opportunity to
lock him up and study him, take samples of his urine, nose hairs and all the
rest of those tell-tale alien differences.  You'd think they'd jump at the
chance to study a freak like Cordani, sheeesh what has this world come
to...oh if this was still the 50's he'd be locked up in Hangar 18 and freeze
dried so fast it would never even register in those alien grey cells.

SOme of you may think me callous for wanting him freeze dried, what of the
great advantages of knowing his alien technologies you ask?  Well I have
spoken to him and I think that I know why he was selected to come to this far
point in the universe over all the other creatures of his civilization.  The
fact is he is an idiot, incompetent of any real use on a meaningful planet so
he was sent here.  This explains how most of the aliens who are now on Earth
have come to be here, especially why they havnt been able to take us over
even though we know that they have been here for years!

Now that my friends is a real Alien Story!

(Who is is Dear? Its a quaint little man from the village, something about
the reaping!)
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: HAYES ULTRA 144 FOR SALE
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Subject: Re: Government coverups
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 25 JAN 93 12:27:09    


In article <1jspk2INN12p@zikzak.apana.org.au>, zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba) writes...
>billp@mozart.amd.com (Bill Peterson) writes:
>>	1) Something crashed. The Air Force doesn't want us all to know.
>>	2) The Air Force STILL doesn't want us to know. (Almost 50 years
>>	   later).
> 
>You see this sort of thing again and again, particularly in
>alt.alien.visitors - wild claims that the government or some part of
>it is trying to cover up information about UFOs. Now there's something
>about all this that doesn't ring true for me at all. WHY? I mean,
>what's the point? What do they stand to gain by covering it all up? It
>must cost them a lot of effort, so they'd have to have a pretty darn
>good reason to do it.

-Begin included text-
From an article about Barry Goldwater, published in The New Yorker
magazine, April 25, 1988.  Goldwater is quoted:

    I used to receive a hundred calls a year from people who
    wanted me to get into the Green Room at Wright-Patterson
    Air Force Base, because that's where the Air Force stored
    all the material on UFOs. I once asked General Curtis
    LeMay if I could get into that room, and he just gave
    me holy hell. He said, "Not only can't you get into it
    but don't you ever mention it to me again." Now, with
    millions of planets that we know are up there, it's hard
    for me to believe that ours is the only goddamn one that
    has things that can think walking around on it. So when
    people tell me they've seen UFOs, I don't say they haven't.
    In fifteen thousand hours of flying, I've never seen one,
    but I've talked to pilots who have. I talked to an airline
    crew that swore up and down that an object came along
    side of them one night, and before they could do anything
    it vanished. We lost a military pilot who went up to
    intercept strange lights and never came back. His airplane
    disappeared, too. I won't argue for or against.

Goldwater was both chairman of the Senate Armed Services
Committee and a general in the Air Force Reserve.
-End included text-

It might be interesting for someone to publicly claim they've been to Roswell
recently, and found a piece of the wreckage. Just to see if the military is
still interested.

As far as "why are they covering up what they know?", who knows? They have
their reasons I'm sure, but our speculation is worthless.

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:56:42 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <8874.14255@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes...
>So...you think that the name "Earthlings" sounds sophisticated? NASA
>designates all planets in any system by their star + orbital
>position.ergo...Reticulum3 = third planet from Zeta reticulum...or
>SOL3 = third planet from our sun designated as SOL.

Sez who?

Last I heard, NASA designates this here planet as "Earth", and our star as "the
Sun". There's a couple of techno-weenies on the net who are on one-man crusades
to get us to call the Moon "Luna" and like silliness, but that's about it.

Reticulum is a constellation. By your star + orbital position thing, a
hypothetical 3rd planet from Zeta Reticuli would be Zeta Reticuli 3. Yes,
hypothetical, and yes ReticulI. There's no known planets outside our Solar
System, and you have to use the genitive case of Reticulum.

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circle
Reply-To: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:32:39 GMT

In article <1jjrgmINN9dk@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner) writes:
> Didn't we hear a while back about the guys who supposedly created all  
> these things as a joke and then video taped how they did it?  Are crop  
> circles still actually believed to be made by aliens (I thought the guys  
> had enough proof otherwise)?
> 

The two guys you are referring to are Dave Bower and Doug Chorley. Although
originally they seem to have claimed to make all the circles on cross examination
they seem to have actually made maybe not quite 200. There are 3000-4000
reports from the UK alone, without any in other countries.

It should be made clear that all of the circles researchers I have spoken to
have always accepted that at least some of the circles were hoaxes. They have
frequently disagreed about what proportion were hoaxes, and from what is
now coming out, would seem to have underestimated the problem. When I spoke
to researcher Paul Fuller last Saturday he told me that more groups of hoaxers
had come forward and some of them were being very helpful in identifying
which formations they had made. In some cases they identified circles which
researchers had suspected as being hoaxes. In others they identified formations
which researchers had not suspected as being hoaxes. The researchers are
going to have to rethink what they think are genuine or otherwise.

The circles researchers still think there is a small proportion which are a
genuine phenomenon, although as usual they disagree on what proportion and
what the phenomenon is.

The explanations seem to break down into three groups :

	1. All circles are hoaxes
	2. Many (most) circles are hoaxes, but a few are caused by natrural
           phenomena
	3. Many (most) circles are hoaxes, but a few are caused by mysterious
	   forces or intelligences. I believe this is what you mean by caused
           by aliens. To give the researchers their due, I am not sure any
           of them have called this aliens, just mysterious intelligences. 
           Other people have taken this to mean aliens.

(By researchers, I mean people that go and do field research, not people like
 me who read about it in books)

For what it is worth, in order of probability I think 2, then 1, then (maybe) 3. 
Unless there is some other option we have not considered.
Steve 

-- 
(Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!)  
Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome  
Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK.
Phone: +44 81 869 3293  JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:12:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
	Uhhhh, I am pretty sure you meant to say GLEN Edwards.  Frank
	Edwards wrote books on UFO's......

Uhhhh, you're right, of course.  Typist's dislexia, don't you know.
Thanks!

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Subject: strange encounters
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:54:42 GMT

Well, well, well.  I've not logged on in two months and I see little has
changed.  John's still filling the ether with Enquirer garbage and people are
discussing Star trek as if they were real aliens.  I'm happy that we're all
still so serious.  What happened to those blistering incriminations from the
e.t. purists?  Did they get their own group?
        Where have I been you ask?  You don't?  Let me tell you.  I was
abducted by aliens for Christmas.  This was after having to move to avoid and
alien overlord who wanted me to have his children.  I took an alias as a bean
bag chair but these party aliens still got me.  We managed to derail John's
astral train and take some corns off of Bigfoot's toes.  He pined a sigh of
relief and I screamed in happiness for the Jovian jive juice I drank.
        Later when I felt like a vegetable those damn aliens transplanted my
brain with, um let's see, yes, with peas.  I'll never be hungry again.  Not
only that but I think that life is wonderful and that our government and our
fellow neighbor's the U.S. of A is very righteous and holy.  Brian Mulroney
isn't an egotist and the world will be all right.  Don't worry I'm all right
now...Nothing's changed.  ;)
        Colleen
--
It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
The Crimson Bunion
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Roswell Testimony
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:50:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan26.030255.631@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes...
>graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>Ok, so you don't like the manned idea.  How about, the balloon is carrying
>particulate collectors to look for fallout from US or Soviet Nuclear tests.
>You post a reward so people will turn in the "disks" rather than keep them.
>Rob U

Folks, all of these schemes make a big assumption: that the people reporting
non-human bodies were basically making it up. This goes for the ranchers who
discovered it, the rock-collectors in the area, the mortician with the
"smallest available caskets", the military personnel who lifted the tarp and
looked under, the medical personnel who handled the bodies. We have to assume
they all lied in order to buy any of the Earthly-origin scenarios.
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:08:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <2613.1785.uupcb@almac.co.uk> andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard) writes:
>
>You, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writ
>
>PN/*   current topics.   Flattery, it seems, will get you *everywhere*
>PN/*   with the TV generation:  tell them that they're intelligent and
>PN/*   that they demonstrate this by watching your "intellectually
>PN/*   stimulating" TV show and they'll tune in in droves.
>
>HA! 17 million Britons tune in to Cilla Black's _Blind Date_ every
>week. This is telling them they're shit-thick morons - and they love
>it. Nah, your theory is leaking.

  Either that, or to them it's flattery!


>(Hang on, this is rec.couch.potato, right? What have you done with
>John Winston's alt.alien.visitors? It's was here yesterday....)

  I put the whole thing in my kill file.  Just putting Winston
  in my kill file wasn't sufficient -- I still had to read all
  the responses to his drivel.   This is MY newsgroup now and
  I control the topics!    Next thread:  What Will Robinson and
  his robot did in Cleveland!


---peter

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:46:26 GMT

In article <1jn5jpINNdvh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem) writes:
>
>While you may be correct in saying that there are no known planets
>associated with stars other than the sun, this is true only in that
>we have no absolute proof that such planets exist.
>
>This is misleading.  Absolute proof in the form of a space probe or
>direct observation of another solar system is quite impossible given
>the limitations of modern technology.
>
>There is considerable indirect proof of which you may not be aware.
>Epsilon Eridani exhibits a "wobble" in its path through the celestial
>sphere which can be easily explained only by the presence of one or
>more "companions" with a total mass about six times that of Jupiter.
>Barnard's star (one of the closest to us) is thought to have two com-
>panions of 0.9 and 0.6 Jupiter masses.

Detection of a wobble by photographic means has always seemed a bit
suspicious to me. It seems that the error must exceed the magnitude
of the wobble. Perhaps use of CCDs would reduce the errors. This is 
something about which I have doubts, can anyone confirm the innacuracies
present in photographic detection?
 
>There is also a good deal of other (indirect) evidence in the form of
>spectrographic studies, which may be found in many introductory text-
>books (at least in summary form).  I would direct you to these for 
>further information.

Spectroscopic detection allows much greater precision. So much that the
motion of the earth must be subtracted in fact. One report of planetary
detection was withdrawn as after suptracting the earths motion, the
signal disappeared.
 
>One might raise the objection that these companions are too large to be
>called planets.  If they are nonluminous and orbiting a star, I don't
>know what else you'd call them.  

So you would call a black hole or a neutron star a planet? The universe
may be a bit young for black dwarfs, but these would also fit the bill.
But cooler expired stars might not be detectable due to their small
surface area.

A more salient point is that in this context, the importance of planets
is that they may be home for extraterrestial life. If we restrict our
search to planets of a size we know can support life, then the number
drops to zero. I am not saying that gas giants cannot support life, but 
that we do not -know- that gas giants can support life, excellent sci-fi
by A Clark notwithstanding.

>                                  In any case, their existence could
>not possibly hurt the chances of smaller planets being present.  I
>hope this is useful.

Who knows? Honestly, how do you know. Suppose the sub-star inhabits the
habitibal zone (where liquid water is possible). Would that not affect
the possibility of life at that solar system?


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: Adrian.Jenkin@f873.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Adrian Jenkin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:01:00

In a message dated 20 Jan 93  00:02:27, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com wrote:

 N>   Deeper, more complex, more thought-provoking philosophy; funnier
 N>   humor, more suspenseful suspense ('cause you don't know how it's 
 N>   going to turn out), better production values, wittier dialogue,
 N>   etc.  What did you THINK I meant by "better"?   No matter what
 N>   quality you think a TV show offers, for either intellectual 
 N>   stimulation or "entertainment" I can probably find a book, 
 N>   movie, lecture, or some participatory activity (game, hobby, 
 N>   sport, discussion, etc) that offers better. 

Yes and worse, Television can not hope to cope with the complexities which can
be presented by with written word.  It has to be presented via a visual medium
where as a book is visualised by the mind.

This is not a fault of telivision, just a limitation.


 N>    But today TV's choices are just as artificial; whereas in 1960
 N>    the only black faces TV showed were train porters or cooks, 
 N>    today TV goes out of it's way to ensure that every group of
 N>    people: every office scene, starship crew, classroom, etc, 
 N>    is carefully populated with as much ethnic and gender diversity
 N>    as they can manage, always making sure that women are given 
 N>    non-stereotyped roles for females (security officers) and 
 N>    blacks are given non-stereotyped roles for blacks (scientists,
 N>    engineers, etc).   This is not an improvement, it's just more
 N>    artifice.

 N>    And it provides the viewer with the false sense of satisfaction
 N>    that he, or TV, is confronting these issues.   I've literally 
 N>    heard people say things like, "I'm not racist, I watch the Bill
 N>    Cosby show".
 N>     

Yes, but racism is a strange thing, everyone is racist in some way.
Racism in it's simplest form is a product of a person's prejudices and a
person's prejudices are what we all judge things by and make our inital
responses in reflection of.  It is just a case of learning and letting our
prejudices be altered (hopefully for the better).

As for blacks and so on in stories I remember reading a book by Arthur C.
Clarke which involved a tourist bus (of sorts) which was trapped in a crater
that had opened up beneath it on the moon (I think the title had the words by
Earthlight - or Moonlight in it somewhere).

There were two main male characters and they were talking when one asked the
other how he felt about his Aboriginal (Australian Aboriginal) heritage.

This shook me quite a bit in that I had not realised that this character was
black!  This is how I feel it should be, that we take people as they are and
don't bring colour into it at all.

That includes accusing Star Trek of adding token nationalities because you feel
it is politically correct!!

Later people,

Adrian Jenkin


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From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:25:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.ufo.fienrds

In article <73988@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Folks: All is well in California.

Mary said yous guys better get out og there! if you think
she's kidding, watch the whether repofts.
p.s. i have friends obriting over mt shasta that are ready to
evaummate everyome up if they went.
From: billp@mozart.amd.com (Bill Peterson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: probes
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:22:48 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.


	The biggest argument used against UFO's and aliens is that
we are so far from any other planets. We cannot even see other
planets for sure. Of course, we think that all main sequence stars
should have planets. But no proof.

	What if we lived closer to the center of our galaxy? There
would be many stars within a light-year or so. With our current
technology, I'll bet we could see proof of other planets all around.
What is the first thing we do when investigating other bodies? (Planets
I mean :) We send a probe. If we lived amidst many other planets, we
might even detect atmospheres. Any oxygen planet would be of special
interest. 
	Perhaps the vast majority of UFO sightings are due to unmanned
probes sent out long ago. Any probe finding an oxygen planet (therefore
life as we know it) would send back data. Eventually someone might
come see, probably a stuffy old anthropologist or something. That
explains why we haven't seen them yet. They're shy.

--
	Howdy Pardner! Let's chew the fat!
	Disclaimer : my thoughts are not my own. :-X