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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: BIG EAST, Weekly Preview for 9-5-92
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:59:32 GMT

robert.dieckmann writes:

>AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH.  I blame this all on Tim Pitts who didn't
>have time to put out a weekly preview.  I screwed it up again with
>the MAC Conference.  Pittsburgh hosts MAC team Kent (did they
>change their name from Kent State?) I think that's what screwed
>me up.

Last year, Kent State University requested the media to refer to the school as 
either "Kent" or "Kent State University" but not as merely "Kent State."  I 
think that they are trying to distance themselves from the ugliness of the 
shootings in the sixties.

But don't worry about missing the MAC teams, these games have already been 
posted earlier this week!

     - Pat
.
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- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Aggies 10, Cardinal 7
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:26:35 GMT


crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>*  RC Slocum outcoached Bill Walsh, IMHO.

I don't agree.  I think what we saw as the game wore on was just how
thin the talent is at Stanford.  I didn't see any adjustments that
Walsh could make, except trade for an offensive tackle, a wide
receiver, and (most importantly) two cornerbacks.

Stanford's CB's are bad.  The Aggie receivers were open all day -- if
Granger had the passing ability of your average Pac-10 second
stringer, TAMU would have led 17-7 in the first half.

On offense, let's face it -- you can't have a multiple set pro style
offense if none of your receivers can make a big time catch and your
OL allows the QB about half a second to throw.  Well, maybe they're
not that bad -- after all, the TAMU defense is probably one of the
very best in the nation.


--Gidi
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:58:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Murasami Labs

Marc J. Stephenson is obviously confused:

> >I was just curious how many other people out there are as tired of the UT
> >attitude that is out there this year?

> >Christopher Judd
> >(CRJ14530@ACUVax.ACU.edu)

> Perhaps you could elaborate on what you consider this "attitude" to be?  

> Or, perhaps, are you just trying to start another useless, endless, whiny
> discussion about the merits and bad points of UT (with respect to fans,
> athletic programs, rivals, engineering programs, class, attitude towards
> A&M, etc.)?  Naaahhh.  Couldn't be. :-)

UT is very much different than t.u. One is a bunch of Volunteers, the other
is populated by some Clueless Cows [tm]* who sip tea.

James

* [tm] 1992 Texas A&M University
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From: jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. A&M 
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
	<1992Aug25.160936.1246@hou.amoco.com> <17ee3eINN11a@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:18:14 GMT

An interesting thought just occurred to me concerning the Cardinal
offense:

>2) Stanford's offense is multi-faceted PAC-10 and vintage 49er thanks to 
>Walsh. The A&M defense probably will not see anything like its complexity
>in its Southwest Conference schedule.  A Lot of short high-percentage pass 
>patterns to backs, tight ends, and wide-outs.  But the problem with
>complex offenses is that it takes time to get everything going smoothly.
>Walsh has already scripted the first 25 plays, as he usually does.  A
>slow start will doom Stanford, while a good first quarter will boost
>Stanford's confidence and mean a long day for the Aggie defense.

Walsh has really set quite an insidious trap for his offense here.  His
philosophy is in some sense to "finesse the defense" with a especially
sophisticated offensive scheme.  Because it is still being developed,
one might expect mistakes.  But making an early one against what is, at
least, a very strong defense (#1 nationally last season) could lead to
disaster.

Depending on how committed Walsh feels to unveiling his complex scheme
early, and here this game's extensive pregame publicity may encourage
this, the more he is taking a risk that only A&M could wish for.
However, if he resists and goes against his very philosophy by playing a
rather simple offense, which is not very likely to succeed against A&M's
defense, it may make it even more difficult to take those risks
associated with his more sophisticated offense.

Seems that from this perspective, as a first opponent, playing one armed
with a particularly quick, attacking kind of defense leads to possibly
the least favorable (for Walsh) scenarios.

A&M by 14.
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas       
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:34:57 GMT

In article <27AUG199216202867@vaxdad.scri.fsu.edu> garnto@vaxdad.scri.fsu.edu (Ken Garnto, SCRI, 904/644-4534) writes:

<regarding paying student athletes:>

> 
> this scares the hell out of me.  these are suppose to be STUDENTS that play
> ball.  I know that is not entirely the case, but paying them would make it
> worse, even if there was an NCAA cap.  Now what about the tennis players (not
> to abuse tennis, but it is not a large draw here at fsu).  how much do we pay
> them?  what about the kids on full scholastic scholorships?  or do we just
> draw the line at sports that make more than n in receipts?  or do we just say
> that ALL students on athletic scholorships get $100/month?  if you can't afford
> it, well maybe you should not have student athletes...

The details we can work out.  But the basic question:
"should colleges pay student athletes?" gets a resounding YES
from this poster.

For example, for 3 years my daughter worked on campus as a secretary for
the Performing Arts Center; she sent out mailings and, generally,
did what she could to help sell seats at the various performances.
This work was paid by the school for the benefit of the school.
Doesn't a football player do the same thing, for the school?
Fans go and plunks their money down to see the players play;
therefore, they should be paid.

Yes, I'm well aware of the value of a scholarship (we've put 2 girls
through college and have 2 boys in High School getting ready for
college) but athletes should have the same priviliges as other students
(who have mom and dad putting up $).  Being on the football team
and hitting the books does not leave any time for a part time job
to pay the little incidentals of college life.

Also, all the numbers I have heard exceed $100/mo; more like
$100/week.  Sounds right to me.


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:17:40 GMT

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:


>Last year was last year... anyway, we didn't lose to ALL in-state div 1A
>opponents like FSU did last year...

Uh, Njan, we didn't play anyone in-state last year, did we? Unless you think
Cheyenne is suddenly part of Boulder County or something....

CU-CSU. September 5th. a season opener againt a team that's had a winning 
record within the past three years in Div. I-A. What an innovation.

Unlike whatever School of Animal Husbandry Nebraska plays this year.

Oh, one more blind-side on Nebraska - To fly to Shreveport, you have to 
fly through Dallas - I suggest Delta. And I think you get a free Weedeater
if you win that bowl game....

>Njan

-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
Hobbes:"Why do we always play war and not peace?"|Currently at:
Calvin:"Too few role models."                    |Box 1143
Ren-n-Stimpy in '92! Vote for a real cartoon!    |Boulder, CO 80306
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Net Trash on Gators, Canes, and PSU
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:13:11 GMT
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation



This little net.trash thread started by the Omnipotence and Almighty
Net.Gator.CaneBashers in a effort to show the satanic Hurricanes as the
one and only bad boys of college football.  Well your little Choir-boys
gators aren't Angels.

P.S.  Most teams suspend a player after a felony arrest.  But, then it's
not a NCAA rule.



8/27/92

Gainesville Florida--   Starting University of Florida Defensive End
Henry McMillian, has been arrested and charged in a felony with aggravated
battery.  The complaint was filed July 12 by the woman that was shot in the
face.

McMillian has been charged with aggravated battery in his hometown of
Folkston ,Ga.  McMillian posted bond of $50,000. The Georgia Bureau of
Investigation and the Charlton Sheriff's Office are investigating.

Henry McMillian will continue to practice with the Florida Gator's, coach
Steve Spurrier said Wednesday.  According to the Florida's AD;

" It's something that happend two months ago, and all of a sudden somebody
charges him with something.  He was wrongly accused.   We're not going to
punish him for that, just like we didn't last year with Tony McCoy [ who was
arrested for sexual assault, then charges were dropped because he had 
dated the victim ].  We feel it'll be worked out."
 
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------

 University of Miami WR Larmar Thomas and RB Jason Marucci were to be 
 arraigned 8/27/92 on the Pell Grant fraud.  Hurricane Andrew has caused
 a one week delay for the arraignment.  Lamar and Jason will not practice and
 are suspended by U of Miami.  The rest of the team travel to Vero Beach 
 to practice at DogerTown baseball complex.  

 Lamar's and Jason's charges are expected to be dropped after the 
 arraignment.  Both players attorneys were instructed to take the pretrial
 diversion program, that would drop all charges before the first deadline.
 Larmar's family attorney in Gainesville (home of the Florida Gators) was 
 instructed to accept the pretrial program that would have prevented Lamar's
 indictment.  But, Larmar's incompetent Gaineville attorney never contacted
 the pretrial program.  Lamar fired the incompetent Gainsville attorney, and
 hired a good Miami attorney.  

 Jason Marucci's attorney did  call and ask for the pretrial progaram, but
 he failed to get things completed by the first deadline.

 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Penn State coach Joe Paterno suspended two players WR's Rickey Sayles and
 Bobby Engram charged in an apartment break-in.



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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: USA Today/CNN Top 25 8/30
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:17:31 GMT

In article <67345@hydra.gatech.EDU>
mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) wrote:
>}
>}The coaches poll has produced some ridiculous results the last couple of
>}years.  I can't believe this poll will be used as the official ranking to
>}decide things like the Big East champion and who goes to which bowl.
>
>I don't know about the Big East champion, but the things I've read
>about the bowl alliance lead me to believe that the AP poll is
>used there.  The poll also has pretty minimal effects on "who
>goes where" in the alliance.  In the case of #1 vs. #2 the poll
>more or less mandates the matchup, but in all other instances the
>only effect of ranking is the order in which the bowls "draft" teams.
>The bowl with the highest ranked team will draft first, but is under
>no obligation to take the highest ranked opponent, etc.
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 
I was thinking of the Citrus Bowl and how the SEC participant is
selected.  One of the ways is:
 3) Conference team ranked in the USA Today/CNN Coaches' Poll within
    five places of either team participating in the SEC Championship
    Game, as of the first Monday after the regular season ends.
I'm fairly certain the Coaches' Poll is built into the selection rules
for other bowls but I cannot offer any evidence.
 
I also forgot to note another of the highlights of this weeks' poll:
 
- Bill Walsh fell only two positions in the poll to number 22 despite
  the loss to Texas A&M while idle California fell three positions to
  number 25.  I guess the voters feel Walsh can still beat Cal in the
  Big Game and were thus compelled to rank Cal lower than Walsh.
 
-- 
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(303) 673-3581 - voice   2270 South 88th Street
(303) 673-6039 - fax     Louisville, Colorado 80028-5209
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From: artieh@eng.clemson.edu (artie hughes)
Subject: Re: acc football fsu style
Summary: Surprise! Surprise!
Reply-To: artieh@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:42:05 GMT

Hey David,

   I suppose you are referring to the preseason rankings when you say you feel FSU 
has too much talent for ACC teams to be a problem? I seem to remember a game in 
Tallahassee against a supposedly inferior C-L-E-M-S-O-N team. I have forgotten the score. Do you suppose you could refresh my memory?

Art Hughes




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From: dilvish@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jay Shrauner)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs A&M
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:50:31 GMT

In article <16851A5A6.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <pxcnc7c.dchuk@netcom.com>
>    dchuk@netcom.com (Denise Chuk) writes:

>>Well, A&M did beat Stanford last night, but I would say a really BAD, and I
>>mean BAAAAADD call by the zebras helped too.  A turnover in such a close
>>game sure can made a big difference.  (I don't mean to belittle A&M's win,
>>but the stupid call really could, and IMHO did affect the outcome.)
> 
>Get real.  That play by Frazier was great!  It wasn't interferance,
>and his hand was clearly under the ball for the INT (despite what the
>idiot game announcers said).

Get real yourself.  Idiot game announcers or not (ok they were, we all
agree there), they made the right call on this play.  Didn't you watch
the replays of this play?  The ball CLEARLY bounced off the ground.  You
can argue about whether there was pass interference, you can argue if it
all even mattered in the long run, but you have to be the only person
in the entire country other than the ref who thinks that was an actual
interception!

Go buy some glasses and WATCH the game next time.


Jay Shrauner

PS As repugnant as I find it for Stanford to now have cheerleaders, I
   must say I have seldom seen a cheerleading squad as inherently ridiculous
   as the A&M cadet corps.  How did they ever get started?
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: coaching move rumor
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:57:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <3492.382.uupcb@brent.uucp> al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) writes:
>I have heard a rumor that Jackie Sherrill will resign at the end of the
>season to return to Pittsburgh. (Of course that requires Paul Hackett
>be fired.)
>
   I've not heard anything like that here.  I think that Jackie coming back is
impossible.  Pitt wants to run a clean program, and Jackie doesn't fit
that image.  (Please note that I'm NOT saying Jackie's dirty, just that
he's perceived that way by many.)

>On Sherill, I know someone that played for Pitt when he took over
>from Johnny Majors. Sherrill was not well liked by the players
>because he was not personable, often in a bad mood.

   Yes, this is true.  Jackie was Majors' "tough guy" in the "good cop,
bad cop" scheme.  He was the person who did most of the hands-on
coaching for Majors and a lot of the recruiting.

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Stanford vs. Tamu
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:27:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

My thoughts on the game (for what its worth):

    A very good game although it didn't keep me on the edge of my seat.  It's
amazing that a punt fest could be entertaining.
    Texas A&M is a Jeckyl and Hyde team.  Their defense IS #1 in the nation
(difficult to say coming from a Longhorn).  However, its amazing that a team
that can recruit such a good defense can have such a sorry offense.  Anybody
who's starting quarterback quit the team to concentrate on baseball, then get
cut by the USA Olympic team, THEN asks to come back has a serious problem.
It seemed at times like he was playing shortstop instead of quarterback.
    Stanford suprised me.  Their defense deserves credit, the Aggie offense is
not that bad, but when the run gets stopped, you HAVE to have something else
to go to.  If they keep on improving throught the season I think they have a
great shot of going to the Rose Bowl.
    One other thing about Stanford.  PLAYERS PLAY GAMES- NOT COACHES!
Walsh is a great coach, a genius in fact, but he's not catching passes or
down in the trenches.  Give the Stanford players credit for playing a great
game, not the coach.
    I'm not a person not to make excuses but when you root for Longhorn
Football you have to get used to it....
    Without that TERRIBLE interception call, A&M may not have won last night.
Think what you want to think, but no team is going to get a break like that
every game.


                                 Chris

P.S. Thanks guys for the TEXAS info.  Please, keep it coming.
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:39:08 GMT

William F. Tell (wft@soda.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: I couldn't believe that at all.  Clemson ranked higher than Cal?  Excuse
: me, but didn't Cal destroy Clemson in the Citrus Bowl 37-13?   

Uh, let's see...  The poll in question was for *this* season?  The bowl
game mentioned was played *last* season?

Oh, I get it.  Clearly ECMB.  BTW, just where *is* East Carolina ranked anyway?

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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Subject: Correction about '87 FSU-Miami game
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:03:11 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

A recent post somewhat misstated the Miami comeback against FSU in
'87. That is, they were not down by as much as claimed going into the
fourth quarter, and they didn't score 20 unanswered points.

The halftime score of the game was 19-3 FSU. It should have been more
like 31-0. Miami's only score came after FSU lined up for a field goal
and the snapper went early, heaving the ball over the holder's head
and rolling it some 50 yards or so downfield. Miami took over, ran three
plays without getting a first down, and kicked a field goal. They were
thoroughly and totally dominated in that first half; more so, probably
than they've been before or else, at least in the last decade.

In the second half Miami scored three times. All three were on long
(over 50 yards) plays with blown coverages (obviously Miami still
deserves credit for having the speed and the complexity of offense
to produce them). After each of the first two, Miami got 2-point
conversions, making the score respectively 19-11 and 19-19. The score
was 19-11 at the end of the third quarter, I'm pretty sure.

Miami scored their last touchdown and kicked the extra point to take a
26-19 lead, whereupon somebody finally woke FSU up and they drove down
to score a touchdown with less than a minute to play. They failed on
their 2-point conversion and lost 26-25. 

This is only one of several cases of FSU's failure to have the killer
instinct. Last year's Miami game is another obvious one. They have had
arguably the best team in the country four or five years in a row, but
somehow managed to blow their opportunities when they counted.

Incidentally, perhaps the greatest fourth quarter comeback in college
football history is almost totally forgotten, because the referees 
refused to let it happen. I'm referring to Alabama trailing Penn State
34-7 going into the fourth quarter some nine years ago, scoring three
TDs to cut it to 34-28, and having the winning TD disallowed by a
referee who claimed the receiver came down out of bounds when the camera
obviously showed that he hadn't. The referee had (either at the time or
before this) a son who played at Penn State. He was the same guy who
helped PS beat Nebraska the previous year by ruling a receiver in bounds
who was obviously out at about the two yard line.

--
 David Nichols           Statistical Support Specialist            SPSS, Inc.
 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet: nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
*******************************************************************************
 Any correlation between my views and those of SPSS is strictly due to chance.
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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:22:00 GMT


In article <BILLMS.92Sep1100646@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (Willia
m Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.135535.27339@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sschudt@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:
>
>
>>   Does anyone remember 1988?  '90?  Oh yea, I forgot.  Miami
>>   also lost to BYU in '90.  They were depressed after that, they lost their
>>   senses and kicked to The Rocket.
>>
>>  See you in the Fiesta Bowl.  That is, if you can get by Penn State.  ;)
>>
>I think you will see Steve's team much sooner than that, Susan.  If you read
>the woof you will know.  His team doesn't play Penn State.
>
>Bill

Is his team the one that kicked to The Rocket TWICE? ;)

Sorry about the mix-up.
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
From: rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ted Rothe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Run and Shoot (was: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates))
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:51:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BtuxI0.At0
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

>This is quite correct.  When the R&S was invented by Mouse Davis
>in the late 70's at Portland State, it took him awhile to get it

Actually, wasn't the R&S invented by Tiger Ellis, the assistant coach at
Ohio State.  Of course, this was during the Buddy Hayes era, so it was 	
never used.  But Tiger did try to use it when he was the coach of Middletown
High School in Ohio.  I don't know how succesful it was there, but he became
the offensive coordinator at OSU and he kinda' put the idea on a shelf.  I've
heard this from a few different sources and when he died last year somebody 
brought it up again.

Ted
-- 
Ted Rothe
rothe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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