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From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: Taking a deep breath..
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:11:32
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In-reply-to: "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID"'s message of Tue, 11 Aug 1992 14:57:00 EDT


   Getting haircuts can be dangerous, I hope you are not like Sansom.
   Rita without power would just wreck my day and week.

Wheeeee!   alec, you just made my day.  Rita, have you experienced the
Samson-effect?  Not. :-)

//anne//

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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:46:31 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: To Architect
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> Posted on 17 Aug 1992 at 22:11:29 by karsten
> --karsten
> There are no indentations in my door or walls.  Not from boots, anyway.

Huh?

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:18:05 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: alumni associations
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On Wed, 19 Aug 1992, Rashmi Murthy wrote:
> > I can't believe it took the Alumni Association that long to find
> > you...
>
> Yup, they're good at tracking people down.  The amount of mail
> I receive from our Alumni Assoc. *pisses* me off (and I haven't
> really graduated yet).

I have decided that the prize for persistent annoyance goes to the
University of Mary Hardin-Baylor...I took two (2) summer courses there in
the summer of 1961; there were three of us in one class and four in the
other.  I hear from this alum association on an average of six or eight
times a year, receive their magazine, get asked for a contribution five or
six times a year and even get phone calls from
"classmates" from the class of '61 asking why I'm not coming to Homecoming.
Requests to remove me from their mailing list have had no
effect...obviously once you're a "Baylor girl" you're one forever.
ndh (who doesn't even send money to the college she graduated from, for
heaven's sake)
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gender
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:43:17 GMT

Mka thoughtfully writes:

>> Why not?  I thought it was pretty much right on target
>> considering the example of "all men are created equal."  But
>> really, why not?  Where does the analogy break down?

Natalie replies:

>It breaks down because man/woman isn't parallel with person/black.

--Ah, Natalie, bless you that you *dont* think it is: but it was, it was.
In each case, the second term had/has distinct overtones of "technically,
member of the set, but of such insignificance and inferiority as to be
properly deprived of rights and subject to autocratic governance by *real*
people." 

It occurs to me that the analogy is even better than I thought at first,
since it also includes the fact that we can *argue* about whether man/woman
and person/black denote coequal groups or not.  That was also probably part
of mka's intent -- good shot, I apologize for being a tad slow on the
uptake..

Nevertheless, while agreeing that language and its speakers are divisble
only with difficulty, I suggest that the two form a re-inforcing circle
when it comes to sustaining mindsets and discrimination.  Forcibly changing
the language makes us *look* at what we're saying, examine our unspoken and
perhaps ina ppropriate connotations, and maybe decide we'd been at the ver
least insensitive.  Think of calling grown adults 'boy' and 'girl' -- it
seems to have gone out of fashion, lately, hasn't it?  The practice is now
restricted to a few casual and intimate groups, rather than being
indiscriminate (irony intended here). 

--bayla

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:26:45 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Judith's test
              13 Aug 1992 14:30:00 EST from
              <Judith_Eannarino@OCCSHOST.NLM.NIH.GOV>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:30:00 EST <Judith_Eannarino@OCCSHOST.NLM.NIH.GOV> said:
>  Hello, all.
>  Woof, Bernard.
>  This is a test.
>  I am trying to see if I can reply to a Bitnet list via ccmail.
>  I probably can't.

Seems you can!  Welcome back - where've you been these many months ?

Tony H.
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gender
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:09:41 GMT



>I love you too -abh and I want you to be Presidentess.
>--ggs (who does *not* agree with the distorted logic of -abh as
>  to glands determining who is feminist and who is masculinist)


--Amen, brother ggs!  

--bayla ("feminist" but not raving misanthrope)
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:26:43 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: Something interesting
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> --ggs (back, with teeth flossed, ready to talk...)

  Hi.
Doris
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: WHTMIQR13
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:58:35 GMT


In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> Good try, Giggles, but Natalie said that the dogs in the Yucatan look
>> more like my feist half than my beagle half.  I don't think you saw them
>> at all!  I think you were too lost in humanoid fantasies to think about
>> the beautiful creatures!
>
>It's la pura verdad.  I seen them from the plane, going woof woof
>where's my food?

If you tell us those dogs were Tattooed, I think I'm going to need a list
sickness bag.<de plane! de plane!>

<in Spain?  In Spain?>

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:23:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIQR13
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> >It's la pura verdad.  I seen them from the plane, going woof woof
> >where's my food?
>
> If you tell us those dogs were Tattooed, I think I'm going to need a list
> sickness bag.<de plane! de plane!>
>
> <in Spain?  In Spain?>
> It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead

Ruthie baby, I have a message for you:  those dogs were *Tattooed*!
--ggs (stepping out of the way, quick....)
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:13:34 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Geekazoids

>"Geequette" is a diminutive form of Geek and I therefore reject it.
>
>-abh

Geequette is the *feminine* diminutive of Geek--Geeklet is the
masculine.

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:27:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject: Re: Regional usages/genteelism
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<<Carol (gentle, gentille, genteel, and gentile)

--You left out _jaunty_
   (These words represent borrows _at different times_ from the same
     French original, n'est-ce pas?)
-Rod (Jaunty but not gentile)

     Bien su^r.  Jaunty most of all.  Webster tells me that gentile is
     actually cousin to the other sibs -- it's Middle English and
     comes from the Latin gens (clan or nation; gentilis, of a
     nation), as does the French gentil.

     Carol
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:58:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Solution to O.2%

Apropos 0.2% of the list--if Le Pig thought that post was meant
for 0.2% of the list, and if Graham thought--and Le Pig agreed--
that it was meant for him, then the rampant suspicion that Graham
is .36 of a person is confirmed.

Which two thirds are missing, G?

-Mka
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:40:32 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: rapture schedule
              17 Aug 1992 13:06:58 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:06:58 MST Dan Lester said:
>for those who haven't already heard, THE Rapture, not just any old rapture,
>but the one that will transport the truly good and believing off to heaven,
>has now been scheduled for October 28.

. . .

>Interestingly enough, the folks doing so do NOT seek any funds for their
>church or whatever....though I spose if you sent some to the PO Box they
>list (in aurora co), they wouldn't complain....

Presumably they won't have long to spend it...

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:02:04 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: List wars

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:36:32 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>> Don't send the mail to LITERARY, send it to Tim.  I know this guy, and
>> that message is typical of his style.  Why make the whole list suffer?
>
>	Why, Evelyn... Because we *can*, of course.

I know we can; we have that power.  But isn't the real strength having
the power and choosing not to use it?
>
>Rita

Evelyn
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      List wars

Get a load of this guys:


8/20/92 @ 14:00 Tim Johnson <PH408014@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes on
LITERARY@UCF1VM:

>I'm certainly willing to sacrifice bazillions of
>posts of chatter (like is found on Words-L) for
>an intermittent list filled with substance.  But


If all 182 Wordslers subscribe to LITERARY, I think we could take
the thing over.  Has anything like that ever been done?
Infiltration of an enemy list?

-Mka
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:09:36 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Rolled trousers and peaches
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              92 12:51 pm

> That's the thing about Rita--she's got an even disposition--
> always angry.

	Huh?

Czarina
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:02:44 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: gonadological oppression
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> Posted on 19 Aug 1992 at 07:01:55 by Bayla Singer
> And I flat out disagree.  If the man called himself a *female*, it might be
> like Karen calling herself a Japanese.
> And 'ism'is something to believe in, as 'monarchism,' 'deism,' 'atheism,'
                                                                         then
Well, I posted my comments around 4AM, so please be a little forgiving
of late-night radicalism.

Not all women are feminists.  An ism is something to believe in, but
it is usually exclusionary and identifying:  one cannot be a deist and
an atheist at the same time, for example.

> Shall I stop contributing to the Negro College Fund?

No.

And from gubert:                                                        y
>                                                              And it ma
> not be impossible to have assimilated enough Japanese culture to become
> Japanese (perhaps even citizen, but not the 'racial component').      do

Let me know when someone succeeds.

> Is this another example of sexist language; only the males are important
> enough to label?  Or is it another kind of sexism?

It isn't that men are important; it is that I think of geeks as being
basically unattractive people (which is why I don't think of Rita or
Elaine as geeks, though I know that is what Rita calls herself)who
have no social skills.  I know more men like that than women.

And from the lawyer-to-be:
> And I believe the anthropologists recognize two necessary
> conditions for membership in a group: 1) that the person consider
> himself a member; and 2) that the group consider him a member.
> The argument about whether a man can be a feminist has nothing to
> do with the definition of the word.  It's about whether the other
> feminists are going to let men in--and why or why not.
>
> Apropos bananas and strawberries--does one have to be black to be
> a member of the civil rights movement?  To be a civil rights
> activist?

A lot of blacks think so.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:12:07 CDT
From:         Raving Misanthrope <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject: RE: Gender
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>Feminism is an ideology, not a gonadal state.

Feminism is a gonadology; not an ideal state.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:39:06 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Music Junkie
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On Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:25:23 CDT, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> > I wonder if someone could keep a digest of words-l postings and send it
> > to Adam when it's reached a certain size.
> The postings are automatically archived in ftp space at isis.msstate.edu
> (docs/words-l/Archives), where they stay for a few weeks.  That takes care
> of the first part above.

I'd gateway it into my news->mail->fax server, but I don't think my boss
would appreciate the bandwidth-hogging phone bills...

G
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Self-correcting (why not try proofing?)
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:24:28 GMT


In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>How close you are. I don't teach college frosh, but high school seniors
>and the first semester in particular is always quite trying - they try me
>and I try to prevent it while leading them to the font (trough?) of knowledge.

You have my deepest sympathies.:-)  High school seniors can be worse than
Frosh.  With Seniors, you have to deal with the Senior 'tude as well the 
"I already know everything" mindset that doesn't go away for a semester or
two.   Luckily, a few of us never went through that stage. <NOT>

>
-- 
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:33:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Geeks and Twinkies

You are what you eat.

-Mka
Entropy is where high energy physics meets mononucleosis.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:21:22 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: RE: Gender
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>   It's a *political* argument--more than a
> linguistic one, anyway.

Of course it's political.  But does that make the argument less important?
Lots of things about language are political -- standard dialects, for
example.  Standard English is determined by political and social forces,
not by linguistic ones.

> If we all agree that he/his isn't
> sexist, then it isn't.

And if replace generic "he" with generic "she" and agree that it isn't
sexist, then it isn't.  But we don't all agree.

>      It may be that he/his is marked for sex in some contexts and
> not in others--and as native speakers *we* all know the
> difference,

Oh?  Did "all men are created equal" mean to include women?  That's one
example that's highly debatable.  And look back at Carol's example of
Neanderthal Man.

>   But I *do* take issue with the idea of
> consciousness raising in this context.  It's like saying
> someone's consciousness has been raised when they agree to play
> first-ball-in in tennis.

I don't get the analogy.

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 14:29:40 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Something interesting
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>Actually, I was drinking mainly _Tecate_ because I like the nice
>red and black can.... reminds me of Carling's Black Label... and


What I want to know is if the locals could understand your Spanish accent.

-abh
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:22:55 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The D-words
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> Natalie, what was the title of your dissertation?

"Joseph Beaumont's -Psyche- in the Seventeenth-Century Context"
(or I *think* that was it -- I would have to look on my vita to be
positive)

Oh -- the subtitle is "Interesting Century, Boring Poem, Boring
Dissertation."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:13:13 EDT
From:         PBARFOOT%SUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      adbam's baby

 Hey little one ! Take it from your Uncle Paul- August 12 is
a great day to be born !!! Welcome to this crazy world and
don't make it too tough on your Mom. She's pretty special
to all of us.
From: DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078)
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Subject: ADBAM and baby update
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:46:59 GMT
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And of course best wishes to Anne and her new baby boy!!!!!

PS.  At our staff meeting this morning, one of the ladies on our team gave
us notice she would be taking leave Sep 1, instead of Sep 15...she is very
much expecting and doctor says baby's not going to wait that long!
This will be Jennifer's second child and she is hoping for a sister for her
little girl.   She looks fantastic ... just glows in anticipation ....she
is a dear, sweet woman..so gentle and soft-spoken...

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:29:14 CDT
From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT%SAMFORD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Grade Appeals (again)
Comments: To: "Megabyte Univ." <MBU-L@TTUVM1.BITNET>,
              linguist@uga.BITNET, words-l@uga.BITNET, crewrt-l@umcvmb.BITNET,
              cw-l@ttuvm1.BITNET, purtopoi@purccvm.BITNET,
              writeng@ndsuvm1.BITNET, writers@ndsuvm1.BITNET,
              english@utarlvm1.BITNET, englmu-l@umcvmb.BITNET,
              ronron@usu.BITNET, Fred Dolezal <FDOLEZAL@UGA.BITNET>,
              Corinne Smith <CHSMITH@PSUCES1.BITNET>,
              "Trent Batson" <TWBATSON@GALLUA.BITNET>

Several of us had some Bitnet discussions regarding grade appeals policies
last February.  My committee will begin work in earnest this September,
and I need additional information.  I shall recap that discussion:
My request was for copies of grade appeals policies currently in place in
English Departments and in schools and colleges.  The discussion ranged fro
students' rights to lack of shared values regarding writing quality.
--
What I am requesting now is that any of you with written grade appeals
policies and/or grade appeals forms please send same to me via US Mail
as soon as you can.  We currently have no policy and need to develop one;
copies of your policies will be a big help.  Many thanks.

   David H. Roberts
   Director of University Writing Programs
   Samford University
   Birmingham, AL 35229-2207 USA
   Voice: (205) 870-2964; Fax: (205) 870-2384
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:36:36 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Ritual killings
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> >great book about South Carolina--in which there are voudou killings
> >(I finally found out why abh spells it this way)).  And I realized
> You mean you've been reading William Gibson too? Cool!

No...a lot of people spell it that way to denote the religion.

-kmk
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:14:26 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      re: headless chickens
              13 Aug 1992 20:38:00 GMT from <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

Jill, the topic of headless chickens didn't hit a sore spot with me; it's
just that I'm getting a little tired of conversations that keep going
around in circles, there's a doozy on belief-l, BTW.  I just said that
it was time for me to take a break (and it was).

Evelyn
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:21:53 PDT
From:         s mandell <pwiebe@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Comments on this phrase
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I was wondering about the phrase "...and that's a whole nother story".
That's certainly how I would say it, but nother isn't in the dictionary,
and 'nother for another doesn't fit.

What's going on here?

S
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