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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Professional subs
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:35:38 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

isc30176@nusunix3.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:

> rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang) writes:
> : 	I've started getting my friend into anime and the first comment he
> : made about the subtitles is that they are "distracting".  He wants to look 
> : the picture (hey, it's what animation is really about) and thinks he spends
> : too much time looking at the bottom of the screen, reading titles.  This is
> : why I feel the move to dubs is inevitable.  As the anime audience grows, I
> : think many more of the new fans will prefer dubs (even mediocre ones ) to s

I agree, Im new to it, but Ive found that, watching them ONCE is not good 
enough.  I watch them first, and get the dialogue down, then atleast a second 
time, for the action/artwerk.  My friends who are not really into to (the 
WEENIES!) the artwerk, and more the storys, dislike the sub-titles.  They 
dont bother me too much.  Ive just decided that I'm going to have to learn 
how to understand Japanese.

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From: rnlee@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Profess'nal Agitator)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: ANIMEIGO : BUBBLEGUM CRISIS ON LASERDISC
Keywords: animeigo bubblegum crisis laserdisc ld
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:20:54 GMT
Organization: MAWL - Mudd Alums Without Lives

In article <1992Aug16.073435.15545@foretune.co.jp> trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead) writes:
>Furthermore, if you have already purchased one or more Bubblegum Crisis
>episodes on VHS tape, you can "upgrade" to LaserDisc by mailing in the
>packaging wraps from the episodes you already own along with your order
           ^^^^^
>for the subscription.  For each wrap you send, you'll get $10 off the
>subscription price, which means you can have all of Bubblegum Crisis on
>LaserDisc for as little as $140.  Each wrap submitted must be from a
>different Crisis episode; the back of the wrap will be stamped with a
>mark indicating it has been used, and mailed back to you after your order
>has been recorded.

What do you mean wraps?  It doesn't sound like you're talking about
the clamshells, so what are they?  You don't expect us to save all
those postal packaging that the tapes come in, do you?

Agitator
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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: The Sentinels (was Re: Dubbing and Macross)
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:20:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.034129.1014@msus1.msus.edu> fredh@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>Don't get me wrong... I watched the entire Macross saga. The Dubbed version
>avaliable from Family Home Entertainment. And yes, the voice actors could have
>used some work, and I do know enough about the story that I can see the spots
>where things got munged. But I think it'd still take it over Subbed.

Wow, a rarity - an anime fan who prefers dubbing to subbing!  8-)

>Also, I'd kinda like to know what's out there for the Sentinals. I was really
>disappointed to learn (just after doing the Macross saga marathon-style) that
>the story didn't continue. I mean... Those characters were cool. Can someone
>reccomend a set of novels/comics/something that I can get to keep going on that
>story?

OK, well, I don't know how much of this you already know, so here goes:

There were the three episodes that were actually completed and compiled
onto a tape - Streamline released theirs a while ago (Palladium Books
originally released it before - I don't know what, if anything, is the
difference between the two).  There is the Robotech Art Book 3, which
is all about the planned Sentinels series, with artwork, synopses,
what went wrong, etc.  The music from the Sentinels series (as well as
the original series too) appeared on the Robotech BGM (both the record
and the CD), but it's out of stock, out of print, and if your local
comix pusher doesn't have a copy lingering somewhere, you're probably
out of luck.

Last but not least, there are the Eternity comics, which basically
follow the proposed plotline.  They've been going for a few years now
and have around 30 issues so far - in theory they're planning to go
for quite some time, like ten years or so.  I happen to like it,
mostly for the Waltrip brothers' artwork, although Jason has something
of a big breast fetish (see Metal Bikini - he gives new meaning to the
phrase "top-heavy" 8-P).  There are also a number of related spinoff
series, some of which are good (I liked Invid War myself), some less
so (didn't care much for Cyberpirates, Malcontents, or Genesis
though).  Still, they should have enough Sentinels material to keep a
Robotechie happy.

Hope this helps.  Have fun.
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From: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: ANIMEIGO: Revision to BGC LD Plans
Keywords: animeigo bgc ld
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:57:18 GMT
Reply-To: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


I agree...the new BGC LD numbering flows much nicer.  Putting 7 and 8
on the same LD works very well:  7 introduces the character Vision,
while Vision has a cameo in 8...
 
  -Ralph Jenkins

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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: Professional subs
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.005012.5340@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30176@nusunix3.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN) writes:
>rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang) writes:
>:[friend says that subtitles are 'distracting']
>
>Couldn't you sort of watch the thing over again after you've read it?
>Listening to the original voices would do a lot better than having them
>replaced.  Sometimes it just lost the air it was supposed to have when
>you dub it.  I think the seiyuu do make a lot of difference with their
>voices.
>
>- Chen JiaTyan 

I agree to a point.  In most cases, leaving the original voices in
will leave in the general *tone* of what the original directors were
trying to shoot for.  Dubbing often loses the emotional impact of
the scene...

In subtitling, though, some of the artwork *is* lost, and depending
on how picky you are (and how well the subtitles are done), may or
may not be distracting.  This is assuming that you've already read
the subtitles once, and know what the characters are saying...

Which is better?  I know better than to answer *that* one... :-)

Oh, I said "to a point" above?  Well, in some cases, dubbing is clearly
preferable as when the original voice acting is *awful*...

The solution?  Learn Japanese (or Mandarin, or Russian, or whatever)...

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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Deed's voice actress
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 16:06:29 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia

(I'm coming up with weird questions at the moment, but do indulge me,
please. :)

I was just flitting through the voice actor list (any updates since
April, Jeff??) and I came across this one:

Tohma Yumi
 /* S??/12/20 */
 /* Type A */
 Detonator Orgun
  Kamisaki Michi
 Gundam F-91
  Cecily Fairchild
 Magical Taruruto-kun
  Kawai Iyona
 Record of Lodoss War
  Deedreet

Wow, I knew there had to be some reason I liked Deed (even though I
really don't like Lodoss) [no flames, we've been through that one].
Same birthday as me. :) Anyone have info on which year Yumi-chan was
born?

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From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Subject: Re: Name-This-Anime
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.041554.28957@microsoft.com> w-neils@microsoft.com (Neil Shipp) writes:
>On a similar note, I once saw a movie that started off with a few people in 
>a car that get into a chase.  The car is totalled, but one of the guys in
>the car has this digital readout on his forehead that shows some sort of
>ESP power.  Eventually he gets really mad and the number rises to infinity.
>Wierd things happen from then on.  I also remember a guy floating in a 
>crystal ball full of some sort of liquid.
>
>Any takers?
>

sounds like love city (ai city).

laly thao

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From: uc-chan@mcl.ucsb.edu (Christina Callihan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: AnimeWhateverCon '93
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:26:45 GMT

In <1992Aug12.085410.18160@vicstoy.UUCP> fleggett@vicstoy.UUCP (Fred Leggett) writes:

>In article <uc-chan.713465698@mcl> uc-chan@mcl.ucsb.edu (Christina Callihan) writes:
>>
>>The chance is there on the next-to-the-last day as well:  That was when
>>I got my original japanese copy of THE DAGGER OF KAMUI for $40.  Of course,

>     You definitely got away with murder.  Isn't Kamui supposed to
>retail for over 10,000 yen?  Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but
>$40 is still a steal.

You weren't thinking of something else.  :)   The price listed on the box
is 14,800 yen.  The price sticker the dealer (I think this was part of the
Books Nippan display) had on it was $168!

What happened was the guy knew I really wanted it and asked how much I could
afford.  As he put it, "Either I sell it to you or I have to ship it back
with me and watch it gather dust on the shelves for a few more years."

Hey, _I_ wasn't complaining.  :)  

>>I'm sure it helped that focus is shifting away from commercial videotape
>>over to laser disc.....  :)

>     Hmmmmm.  I don't think I like the sound of that. ;)
>     Actually, it looks like disc prices are coming down a bit (perhaps
>tapes as well).  Used to you couldn't find *anything* for less than 8000
>yen.  Now, though, you can readily find material around the 4000-6000
>range.  It's an interesting market trend which one can only hope will
>continue...


Hear, Hear!



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From: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Project A-ko question: is D a hermaphrodite?
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Re: How many A-ko videos are there?
 
Where does Project A-ko -Final- fit?  Is that A-ko IV?
 
  -Ralph Jenkins

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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: SUBBED/DUBBED LIST (August issue)
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 15:42:15 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <1529@tnc.UUCP> m0336@tnc.UUCP writes:
 >  
 > As for Planetbusters, I haven't seen the original Birth...but it was
 > anime.  I'm not sure how much of a hack 'n slash job it is, but you
 > included the dubbed Windaria and the Celebrity HV stuff.  :P

Windaria I included because I had been told Macek had put things back
into it that were cut before.

The only Celebrity item in the list is "Sherlock Hound", and that is
next to uncut and unbutchered. (At least what I've seen on TV. It's
certainly at least the same story and soundtrack.)


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From: fongj@honi.EE.McGill.CA (chun kwai jay fong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re:  Kick it like Jackie Chan
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:36:08 GMT
To: ANIME-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU

Just a side comment (being a big Jackie Chan fan): Police Story was one of his
all-time best films but I must say Armour of God (#1 at least) is quite
disappointing!

  #2 however, is a really good action/adventure and MUCH improved on the first!

Jay
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From: ranma@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Michael Gutierrez)
Subject: Re: RUMOR: Re: Let's start the Rumor Mill
Keywords: NocommentNocommentNocommentNocommentNocommentNocommentNocomment
Reply-To: ranma@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Robert Michael Gutierrez)
Organization: NASA Science Internet Network Operations
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:40:44 GMT

gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
|> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
|> >gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
|> >> 
|> >> Robert Gutierrez mentioned in the Subtitling Tech Talk panel that he
|> >> may indeed be going commercial, one for the group that has been nearly
|> >> assured of liicensing Kabuto...

I only wish.  That may not be happening after all.  RUMOR has it was
licensed to somebody else...

|> >> ... Another he said that he was approached by
|> >> another un-named group about titling something else.  Of course he wouldn't 
|> >> elaborate but he gave a hint that it (the title) was mentioned during
|> >> the panel.  

|> >Ok, let's play detective!!

Hmmm ... where's my Sherlock Holmes/Hound tapes ...

|> >> ADPolice
|> >> Video Girl Ai
|> >
|> >These are the two unknowns, and I'm putting my money on ADP if it's either one.

<ahem> "No Comment".

|> Probably, though until I get my video copy of the panel, I can't verify that 
|> there wasn't other titles mentioned in the first 20-25 minutes,  though
|> these are the only real possibilities of the group.

Under the provision of the 5th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
of America, I hereby decline to answer the aformentioned question.

(Those of you who are reading this outside the states, it's called "Pleading
the 5th" or "Taking the 5th").  :):):)


   rob.

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From: genef@netcom.com (Gene Fornario)
Subject: Dominion Poster
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 06:03:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I picked up two copies of the Puma Sisters poster from the Central
Park Media booth at the San Diego Con.  It's a picture of the Puma
Sisters that is from a limited edition poster packaged in a
Dominion LD set a few years.  This one is smaller than the original,
about 25 x 18", and the tones are lighter.  They explained this is
due to the fact it was printed in the US, where standard paper sizes
and printing is different.  The upper-left has the U.S. Manga Corps.
logo, and below are the four USMC Dominion tapes.

The verdict:  I like it.  I've waited two years for it, and though
I wish that it was like the original, but I'm glad to have it at all.

It will be availiable in October via Capital Distributors at your
comics shop, list $7.99, or contact US Manga Corps.

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From: kilpatri@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu (John A. Kilpatrick)
Subject: Patlabor Questions
Originator: kilpatri@nextnet
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:05:41 GMT

I have just started watching the Patlabor OVAs for the first time and I have
a few questions.  Please send all responses in e-mail.

1) In the opening animation, is Noa's hair black or is that someone else?

2) Are the Animag synopsies AFU?  (all F***ked up)?  They seem to have the
names right in the pictures ...I think.  They say that Asuma Shimohara
is Noa's field commander and is the son of the president of Shinohara Heavy 
Industries.  And they say that Isao Ota is the Forward of the other Ingram.  
He is, quote "recklesss and trigger happy fellow, notivated by a rigid code of
honor and a zealous enthusiams for justice." O.K. no problem here...but they
say that in the first OVA "the overzealous Ota attempts to apprehend the 
terrorists by himself, sucedding only in losing his Higram's head and 
shootign up several several police cars,  Asuma urges the nervous Noa to
avenger thier comrads...."

This is where I am confused.  It looked to me like the guy they identified as
Asuma was the one to attempts ro apprehend the terrorists.  And then, they say
that in OVA volume two "Noa is awakened from a peculiar dream to accompan
Asuma to the airport."  but the guy in the car was the guy they had identified
as Ota.  so please tell me how to tell them apart.  Is Ota the younger or
older one of the two.

3) There is an add at the end of the 1st LD I don't get.  You see:
1979(kanji for year) "O-su o nerae" with su in katana, the big O in roman
letters and the o nerae in hirgana.
then
1986(kanji for year) "Toppu O n" with toppu and n in katakana but a Roman
O.
then
Soshite (and), 1988(kanji for year)
then
Toppu o nerae (which is the name for Gunbuster)

Now I know this is a GUnbuster promo, but what I am wondering about is
what are they taking about 1979 and 1986 for?  What happened then?

Thanks in advance for any replies!
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From: mfrose@ais.org (Martin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Quick -- what about Lensman?
Date: 22 Aug 92 00:20:39 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UMCC

Indeed, what about Lensman?  People didn't have much opportunity to complain
about the dub job.  Frankly, whatever the dubbing is like is secondary to
the fact that the source material -- in this case, the animated movie
Lensman -- is a crock of feces.  If you like the books, you'll be throwing
your shoes at the movie.
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From: bernyeh@panthro.engin.umich.edu (Bernard Yeh)
Subject: Streamline Dub Jobs.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:28:16 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: bernyeh@panthro.engin.umich.edu


Most of the posts on this group concerning Streamline gripe about how
bad their dubs are.

Okay then, WHAT IS THE ENGLISH DUB JOB OF A NON-ENGLISH FILM (in any genre)
THAT ALL DUB JOBS MUST MATCH UP TO???? 

[Run into flameproof bunker...]

Come on, now, most of the dub jobs I've seen are pretty pathetic, compared
to what Streamline is putting out.

Give them some time and support (give them support? You must be joking! :^) ), and maybe they'll make enough money to actually hire better voice actors.
(yeah, right, when hell freezes over and Macek dies of old age... :^)  )

Personally, I think Streamline dubbing to be pretty decent, and at least
they've pretty much stopped (okay, a concession for those anti-Maceks:
reduced ... :^)  ) hacking plots to pieces.

[Step out of bunker, see a squadron of bombers loaded with tons of napalm, 
  piloted by rabid, angry fans, run back inside bunker, and cower.....   :^)  ]

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