From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: [l/m 5/5/92] Film/Cinema		Distilled wisdom (27/28) XYZ
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:20:14 GMT
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

Panel 27

GOOD CIMEMA (available for VCR)
Documentary

%A Mike Hoover
%T Solo
%I Pyramid Films
%C Santa Monica
%X Winner Academy award, short documentary 1975-6?.
%T The Making of Solo

Doug Robinson's new climbing film
El Capitan by Fred Padua
Grade VI on Skis

%A Glen Denny
%T Nyala
%X preceded Solo with the same themes.

Numerous films on El Cap, climbing, etc.
Numerous ski films by Warren Miller or Dick Barrymore.
Five Summer Stories -- MacGillivary-Freeman Films (best surfing film)

Lawrence of Arabia by David Lean starring Peter O'Toole a real story
	"Tell me why Mr. Lawrence, do you like the desert?" --Lowell Thomas
	"It's clean."
	Perhaps one of the greatest films ever made.  Influential, a tiny
	bit stereotypical.  Even Ed Abbey liked it.  Sweaping music and vistas.

Fiction

%T The Mountain
%X Spenser Tracy and Robert Wagner
Interesting

%T The White Tower
%X Glenn Ford too political (anti-German for the times)

From the ever popular Edward Abbey is book The Brave Cowboy, the film
Lonely are the Brave -- with K. Douglas, sleeper written by E. Abbey
Downhill Racer -- R. Redford
Numerous Disney films.
Jereimah Johnson -- R. Redford, 70s back to nature
story of mountain man John "Liver-Eating" 
Johnson, whose cabin is now a museum in Red Lodge, Montana.
The Electric Horseman -- R. Redford, J. Fonda
Comes A Horseman -- J. Fonda  [Numerous Cowboy/Western/Country films]
Night of the Grizzley -- C. Walker, popular is not as realistic
K2 -- Michael Biehn, Patricia Charbonney (sp)

Out of Africa - not a sleeper but you'll sleep through it
The Mission - lots of south american jungle, religious/political wars

From the March 1990 issue of Sierra by D.C. (10 films) (recent bias):
Never Cry Wolf -- Charles Martin Smith, Dir. C. Ballard, who directed The
	Black Stallion
Dersu Uzala by Kurosawa
The Bear
Koyaanisquasi
The Emerald Forest [Violent, Dir. John Boorman] 
The Last Wave [Dir. Peter Weir]
The Gods Must be Crazy [D. Conner must have been crazy to suggest this]
Bambi [See last comment]
Aguirre, The Wrath of God [Dir. W. Herzog]
Star Trek IV [This is pushing it.]

What makes good outdoor cinema?  (discussed twice)

1) A good plot.  It is not sufficient to have nice photography/cinematography.
2) Good acting.
3) Good photography/cinematography.
4) Good direction. Timing, pace, continuity, sound, etc.

Deliverance -- John Boorman, director with B. Reynolds, J. Voight, N. Beatty
	and J. Dickey himself.  Violent.  Dickey is perhaps one of the
	premiere writers alive in the US, certainly the poet laureate of the
	American SE.

The Deer Hunter -- Cimino with DeNiro and Streep. Violent powerful allegory.
	[not favorable to Vietnamese] Much artistic license: Mt. Baker as
	mountains in Penn.

Too violent a list?  See the G rated Black Stallion noted above.
A fine film.  Ballard went on to direct Never Cry Wolf, another fine film.


POOR CIMENA
The White Tower -- Nazis versus the Americans before WWII.

%T The Eiger Sanction
%X Clint Eastwood
%X Spectaular climbing, BAD spy plot.

Red Dawn -- Cold war premise, limited realism: white man fire.
Five Days One Summer -- S. Connery, bad plot, climbing.
High Mountain Rangers -- Robert Conrad, silly high/tech drama
Sierra (renamed Park Rangers) -- Perhaps a must see, the film which
	had a TV series follow it.  Noted for painting rocks in Yosemite
	to make them look more real.
Films produced by a small Park City Company like the Mountain Family
Robinson with weak plot lines and simplistic problems.
Various "snow bunny" films.

Numerous climbing films available from a slew of sources.  Some available
thru the GPIW.

Eugene, I think you should include those films which the climbers may
be tempted to see, but actually have nothing to do with climbing.
This will spare them expense and disappointment.  Some suggestions:

	Exposed
	Death Wish -- Bronson
	Sudden Impact -- Oh, yeah Dirty Harry
	Aliens
	Nuts
	El Topo
	Picnic at Hanging Rock
>Hanging Rock is a popular beginner's rock-climbing area, about 45km north of 
>Melbourne, Victoria. The film was shot on location and it is possible to spot
>some of the routes in it. So perhaps there is some interest for rock-climbers
>:-).
>
>Rohan.
	Valley Girl
	Beyond Therapy
	They Call Me Royal?

John Morton					University of California
jmorton@euler.berkeley.edu			Mechanical Engineering
{decvax,cbosgd}!ucbvax!euler!jmorton		Machine Shop


 I think over again my small adventures
  My fears
 Those small ones that seemed so big
  For all the vital things
 I had to get and to reach
 And yet there is only one great thing
  The great thing
 To live and to see the great day that dawns
  And the light that fills the world.
					-- Old Innuit song

TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:

27/ Films/cinema references			<* THIS PANEL *>
28/ References (written)
1/ DISCLAIMER
2/ Ethics
3/ Learning I
4/ learning II (lists, "Ten Essentials," Chouinard comments)
5/ Summary of past topics
6/ Non-wisdom: fire-arms topic circular discussion
7/ Learning (3)
8/ Fletcher's Law of Inverse Appreciation and advice
9/ Water Filter wisdom
10/ Words from Rachel Carson
11/ Snake bite
12/ Netiquette
13/ Questions on conditions and travel
14/ Dedication to Aldo Leopold
15/ Leopold's lot.
16/ Morbid backcountry/memorial
17/ Information about bears
18/ Poison ivy, frequently ask, under question
19/ Lyme disease, frequently ask, under question
20/ "Telling questions" backcountry Turing test (under construction)
21/ AMS
22/ Words from Foreman and Hayduke
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)
24/ What is natural?
25/ A romantic notion of high-tech employment
26/ Other news groups of related interest, networking