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From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver)
Subject: MCT notes: Paris-Tours & World Cup
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:26:29 GMT


RACE:       Paris-Tours (October 11)

MOTOROLA    Norm Alvis, Phil Anderson, Andy Bishop, Steve Larsen, Jan Schur,  
RIDERS:     Max Sciandri, Bjorn Stenersen, Sean Yates,

DATE:       October 12, 1992
EVENT:      Paris-Tours (Round 10 World Cup)
LOCATION:   France
DISTANCE:   285 kilometers



RESULTS:

1st Hendrik Redant    Lotto       Belgium     6hr 07'44"
2nd Christian Henn    Telekom     Germany           s.t.
3rd Olaf Ludwig       Panasonic   Germany          @ 10"
     6th  Anderson    @ 33"
    24th  Bishop      @ 48"
    46th  Stenersen   s.t.
    49th  Alvis       s.t.
    71st  Schur       @ 13'31"
    74th  Larsen      s.t.



COMMENTS (Paul Sherwen reporting):

What was billed as the "rendezvous of the sprinters" did not quite turn out
the way it was planned. The race started at an incredible pace (with over fifty
kilometers covered in the second hour) and finished at a record speed of over
46 kms per hour, the fastest ever classic on record.

Victory went to the big Belgian Hendrik Redant, who earlier this year won two 
stages of the Kellogg's Tour of Britain. Redant managed to escape from a group 
of ten riders who had left the pack trailing with twenty kilometers remaining. 

Phil Anderson was also a very active member of that group, which contained the 
World Cup leader Olaf Ludwig of Germany.

Ludwig took 3rd place in Tours to conserve his lead in the competition which 
culminates in Mallorca on October 24 with an individual time trial. Phil 
Anderson came in 6th, proving he still has the excellent end-of-season form 
which brought him victory in the Nissan Classic just two weeks ago. The last 
road race counting for the World Cup is the Tour of Lombardy which takes place 
in Italy next Saturday.


Overall Team Standings after Round 10 (Paris-Tours race):

1st   Panasonic      68 points
2nd   Buckler        67   "
3rd   Tulip          58   "
4th   Ariostea       49   "
5th   PDM            46   "
6th   TVM            38   "
7th   Lotto          35   "
8th   Motorola       34   "
9th   "Z"            32   "
10th  Carrera        28   "


THESE RESULTS ARE PROVIDED BY THE CORPORATE ADVERTISING DEPT.
************************************************************

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: roadman@leland.Stanford.EDU (arthur walker)
Subject: Re: Rule Change for 1993: Lapped riders not eligible for primes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 02:39:44 GMT

Actually I've probably never been in a position to "lose"
major bucks from lapped riders, period.  Nor have I 
rung the register that way.  But I have coached riders
in tiny collegiate fields for which the points-only prime
laps have been pre-announced to drop back, IN THE
EVENT OF BEING DROPPED IN EARNEST, at such a
rate as to be overtaken just before the next prime
bell.  These days the men's fields are very full 
and riders lapped by at least as many riders as
exist places are pulled - so it really only happens
in the regrettably smaller women's fields - but once
upon a time, when collegiate fields were smaller,
a ponderous trackie who in better days
rode worlds on the tandem made great use of this
tactic on the hilly UCB crit course and scored points
in most of the primes, in between being lapped 5 times.
It's a very short course, about 49 seconds, just short
enough for him to excel for a whole lap out of each 15.

Why am I talking about goddamned collegiates, you ask?
Because goddamned collegiates are subject to the USCF
rules, and for the sake of those other guys who race 
for money and prizes they've taken away a tool from my
tactical bag of tricks.  I think we're going to call the Stanford
University race a Points Race for 1993.  

Art Walker
"coach" SU cycling team
ahw@egret0.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: 1992 Hitachi Tour of Sleepy Hollow (results)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.201953.28863@gcm.com> garyb@gcm.com (Gary Blumenstein) writes:
>
>Hitachi's second annual Tour of Sleepy Hollow was no sleeper.  A fast,
>
>  Results of the Professional / Category 1,2 race:
>
>1   Frank McCormack	IME/Continental Airlines	Ma
>2   John Loehner	Saturn				Richmond Hill, NY
>3   Jerzy Wozniak	Team Finals			Warwick, NY
>4   George Hincapie	GS Mengoni			Farmingdale, NY
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Any prizes for long-in-the-tooth?

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: shawn@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Shawn Furgason)
Subject: Milan - Turin
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:23:32 GMT



From Wenesdays "Austin American-Statesman" -


Milan - Turin
--------------

Tuesday's results
At Turin, Italy

127.7 miles

1.  Gianni Bugno, Italy, 4 hours, 58 minutes, 50 seconds
	25.643 mph.

2.  Rolf Alday, Germany, 		s.t. 	
3.  Tony Rominger, Switzerland, 	s.t. 
4.  Laurnet Bezault, France,		s.t.
5.  Alex Zuelle, Switz			+5s
6.  Davide Cassani, Italy		+5s
7.  Maurizio Fondriest, Italy		+25s 
8.  Erik Dekker, Netherlands,		+25s
9.  Rolf Sorenson, Denmark,		+25s
10. Frank Van den Abbeele, Belgium	+25s

Also

11. Fabian Jeker, Switz.,		+25s
13. Raul Alcala, Mexico,		s.t.
	  [for the brainless ;-)]
15. Luc Roosen, Belgium,		s.t. 
16. Stephen Hodge, Australia,		s.t.
17. Louis de Koning, Netherlands	s.t.
18. Heinrich Trumheller, Germany,	s.t.
19. Phil Anderson, Australia,		s.t.




That's all.  There is nothing in todays paper about
Wednesdays results.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Subject: Rule Change for 1993: Lapped riders not eligible for primes
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:54:43 GMT

F.Y.I.:
Kathy Volski tells me that rule 3D5, Primes, has been modified such that
lapped riders will no longer be eligible for primes.

Ciao.
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:03:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: msc.1992Oct9.160303.15661
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <92282.191449SJ81SANU@MIAMIU.BITNET>, by <SJ81SANU@MIAMIU.BITNET>:
>  
> As far as eliminating it, I've heard tell that while the Alpe is very
> difficult due to it's many switchbacks, there are many other climbs both longer
>  and steeper. I think that the Tour must be a dynamic and changing race, and
> having some particular stage always stifles that. Also, it'd be nice if there
> was a little more climbing this year. If nothing else, it'll at least make the
> race more interesting, rather than having Indurain a complete shoo-in.
>  
>  
Agreed.  The Tour does need variety, and dropping the Alpe and including more
climbing would do just that.  Indurain may not be a complete shoo-in, but 
after his performance in a very mountainous Giro this year (which he won by
a greater margin than in the Tour, and in which he dropped climbers such as
Hampsten, Chioccioli, and I think even Chiappucci, at their own game) so it
might be shortsighted to underestimate him...

Dave

>                        Jaws
From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:11:54 GMT
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing

In rec.bicycles.racing, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

> I hope that there is plenty of climbing next year. It's time for the
> climbers to get a chance 

I agree wholeheartedly.  I would love to see Andy Hampsten have a real
chance to win a Tour with more climbs and less ITTs.

> and for the stages to slow down to some
> reasonable speed that doesn't burn the majority of the peloton up
> so that they can't really contest the flat stages.

Huh?  All of the flat stages were contested to the extreme this year.
There were more successful breakaways and less pack sprints at the finish 
than ever before.  Do you mean you'd like to see the *sprinters*
contest the flat stage pack sprints more?

Keith Erskine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ssouth@iugate.ucs.indiana.edu ()
Subject: Mtn. Bike race in Indiana
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:24:19 GMT

To all who are interested, The finals of the Indiana Mtn. Bike series takes
place on Oct. 31 in French Lick Ind. The circuit race is on sat the 31 and
the
uphill, downhill takes place on Nov. 1. If you want more info on this the
number
for the info is listed in the current velo news.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Huber rides Cheetah at 68.73 mph
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:49:26 GMT

I haven't noticed any mention here of the new HPV land speed record
even though it was set several weeks ago, so I'll tell what I know.
On September 22, Chis Huber rode a faired recumbent bicycle called
Cheetah at a speed of 68.73 mph (110.61 kph) on a flat road in the San
Luis Valley in Colorado at an altitude of 7,600 feet (2316 meters).
Cheetah was designed by Kevin Frantz, Jon Garbarino, and James
Osborne, who began the project as students at the University of
California, Berkeley.

This speed run over a 200 meter distance was supervised by officials
of the International Human Powered Vehicle Association, which is
expected to recognize the new record shortly.  If approved, it will
surpass the record of 65.48 mph set in September 1985 by Fast Freddie
Markham riding Gardner Martin's Gold Rush recumbent bike.  That
record, set at a similar altitude on a road near Mono Lake,
California, won the the DuPont Prize.

Both Huber and Markham developed their cycling skills on the Northern
California bicycle racing circuit.  The designers of their machines
also live in the area.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: no Alpe d'Huez on 93 Tour!!!
Date: 13 Oct 1992 01:13:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver-248

In article <1992Oct12.165827.12433@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:
>In <ldbojeINNao6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>
>>There are a number of climbs that are longer(Madeline, Glandon, Criox
>>de Fer are all 5000+' feet of climbing compared to L'Alpe at around 3700')
>>but few are as steep(L'Alpe averages 9%, the abovementioned climbs are
>>7-8%).  So, yes there are longer climbs, but none as steep over any
>>significant distance, EXCEPT, my current death climb...the south side
>>of Mt. Ventoux which climbs 5500' and has a 9% average over its 17 km
>>ascent with 11km of 10%+!!!!!!  This is one really tough climb!  And the
>>TdF returns here in 1994!  Holy painfule legs, Batman!
>
>I think that's a rather unfortunate use of "death climb" - wasn't that
>the climb on which Tom (?) Simpson collapsed?

I can understand why Tom Simpson died, I was about ready to join him
when I got to his memorial!  No disrespect intended, this is one tough
climb.  You should have seen the look on Andy Hampsten's face when I
told him the climb would be in the 1994 TdF(TIOOYK).

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu (Don Lambert)
Subject: Little 500
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: BGSU University Computer Services
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:27:51 GMT

Can anyone e-mail me an adress so that I can get more information on this
race.


Don Lambert
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University
        	       	       	       	       	       	
INTERNET : dlamber@andy.bgsu.edu
From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Rule Change for 1993: Lapped riders not eligible for primes
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: mercury.1992Oct13.164452.9111
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton

In article <ldjed8INN9n4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:

[delitia about laped riders not being eligible for primes]

>I think this is entirely fair.  Lapped riders should not be allowed to
>sprint for primes, I would even like to see them banned from taking
>part in anyway(AKA no leadouts).

A fundamental rule difference between criteriums and road races is
that riders on different laps are allowed to work together in
criteriums and not in road races.  While abuses are possible I
believe that letting everyone sprint for primes adds to the excitement
of the race since spectators don't have to keep track of which lap
everyone is on.  I remember being in crits where the promoter decided
that lapped riders were not eligible for primes so under the old
rules the promoter can do it whatever way they think will make a
better race.  The motiviation behind primes is to make the race more
exciting to the spectators so whatever rules that do this best should
be the ones in effect.  I personally would say that making lapped
riders ineligible for primes is overregulation.

>Bruce

Bruce  -  jackson@cs.unt.edu   (a different bruce)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: touring info sought
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 19:56:00 -0800

TO: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp

  rec.bicycles >Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA
  >Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
  >Message-ID: <16tdm4o@Unify.Com>


JZ>Hi netters,  I'm seeking first hand experience for getting around
  >SF Bay area.  In particular, I'm interested in connections between
  >the following points:
  > Sacramento and Napa Valley
  > Sacramento and Marin County
  > Sacramento and Richmond/Oakland area
  > Sacramento and SF
  > Sacramento and San Jose area
  > **part way** for any of above connections

JZ>Would some kind soul tell me what they think is the best way
  >to go between these points and why, and distance/climbing/traffic
  >/road conditions involved.  (Of course I could experiment on my
  >own, except it would take up too many weekends to find out :-).


Get thee the following map: North San Francisco Bay/Sacramento Bicycle
Touring Map.  I bought mine in Marin County but you should be able
to get one locally (especially in Sacto).  I also have a sticker on mine
which reads     Krebs Cycle Products, PO Box 7337, Santa Cruz  CA 95061

It is bike specific and will answer a lot of your questions.

Sorry about not being able to answer any of the rest of your questions,
but contact your local bike club.  They should be able to help! DEB

debbie.rhodes@mcws.fidonet.org

JZ>Any and all help is gratefully appreciated!

  >B. Jennifer Zheng, 916-649-3576          ----  _~o      ~o    //
  >jenny@unify.com, 2/14 down, 28/6 to go! -----   \<,      <|\ //
  >Ride Bike.                           ---- O/ O      / >   //

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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Triple chainrings on road bikes
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:38:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.142146.17304@athena.mit.edu>, aviator@athena.mit.edu
(Joakim Karlsson) wrote:
> 
> Question: I can see the technical advantages of a triple chainring
> (i.e. wider range of gears, good for hills, flexibility for touring),
> but what are the major trade-offs?  What would be the best set-up
> for the recreational/sport rider?

I am an avid fan of road triples and have used two: on my Trek 420 a
Shimano "Mountain LX" setup, no longer made under that name, on which I
eventually replaced the cranks with Deore LX and the rings with SR rings,
in order to get good road sizes.  On my custom (road) bike, I have a Mavic
road triple setup.

The Trek came with 48/44/28 rings and a 13-28 cluster.  I replaced the 48
with a 53, which is definitely required on roads, and found the result
ideal.  It's basically a crossover-plus-granny setup.

On the Mavic setup, I came as close as possible to the same setup, namely
53/44/30 in front and 13-28 in the rear.  The rear derailleur is a
"medium-reach" model, so it doesn't dangle down as much as a typical MTB
derailleur.

The advantage is just the obvious one, having a granny to spin when the
grade gets into double digits.  The disadvantages are a bit of extra
weight, some extra cost, fewer models to choose from, and a bit more work
in shifting from the big ring to the middle one -- you always have to put
the lever in just the right place, instead of just shoving it to the stop.

Then there's the condescending tone of Racer Types when they describe your
beloved triple-thoroughbred as "kind of a touring bike," even though it
weighs and handles essentially the same as their double-crank Bassos and
Colnagos.

Now, it is a fact that triples work best when the chainstays are bit longer
than usual.  Mine are, though my frame geometry is otherwise standard
road-racing design.  That adds to the impression that it's a "touring
bike."  However, I've seen plenty of short-chainstay frames fitted with
triples, so they do work.  Maybe they make a little extra noise.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Bike weatherproofing (WAS: 0 Re: caged vs. loose bearings)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:04:04 GMT

praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>[about the rapid seizing and lubrication loss during winter]

A while back I posted some things about protecting your bike from
winter abuse.  Provoked by Eric, here are a few more:

* On several bikes I've drilled holes in the center of the hub shells.
Either cover the hole with oil hole clip or drill a larger hole and
insert a mini grease fitting.  Inject grease using a chainsaw greaser
with a pointy tip.

Greasing the hubs this way squirts grease out the ends of the hub.
The exposed grease *will* suck junk back in to the bearings, so you
need to ``go with the flow'' and grease the bearings frequently,
every week or two.  However, it is easy to inject new grease.

Bottom brackets can be done the same way, but you need to make sure
that grease doesn't go up the various frame tubes.  I haven't any
experience with bottom bracket grease fittings, so I don't feel
qualified to comment.  Anybody else?

* There are various anti-sieze compounds that will help on the various
non-moving joints -- between seatpost and frame, stem and forks, etc.
But probably the best all around is to grease things, then once in a
while loosen, wiggle, and retighten (regrease if you're feeling
paranoid).  Occasional motion does a great job!  The same procedure,
loosening then retightening, tends to work well with other nuts and
bolts.

	;-D on  ( Whether proof?  Come see the rain! )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: MTB Suspension Fork Opinions Wanted
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:14:21 GMT

truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:

>In article <udizzyd.718556773@mcl>, udizzyd@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mike Schmitt)
>wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to go suspension.  Friends have recommended
>> Rock Shox Mag-20, Manitous, and Fisher.  I'd like opinions on these, as well
>> as:

>> -  What other problems I might have.
>Probably none.
Side comment: as you swap your std fork against a much heavier fork, the
overall balance of the bike will change. I nearly got the change to use
my face as a brake after i was out with the new setup and jumped in a
technical section =) 

>The Rock Shox are best for fast hard riders and people that don't want
>shcks for comfort as much as for an extra safety margin. The Manitous are
>active over a much wider range of riding conditions and provide more
>comfort along with almost as much ultimate safety. I'm no expert, but I am
>a satisfied user of Manitous. At this time I think it's probably best to
>stick to one of these two brands.
I can second this. Another point is, that the Manitou is better to service
and don't need that much attentation that the RS Mag (excerpt from the 
RS booklet: 'check out the bolts every ten hours'). After thrashing a
RS Mag 20 in less than two weeks i bought a Manitou fork. No problems.

Adrian
(how does the hydraulic oil reacts to low temperatures, BTW?)
-- 
Adrian S. Le Hanne        Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Koepenicker Str.154, D-1000
alh@einoed.in-berlin.de   Berlin 36. Tel.: 030/611 31 26,  Fax.: 030/611 32 86
  "On a day such as this you should insist on more than the truth" -Pere Ubu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
From: hutner@rtsg.mot.com (Steven Hutner)
Subject: Re: TIME pedal maintenance
Keywords: clipless, time, overhaul, maintenance
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:23:10 GMT

holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday) writes:

>I think the covers actually have a useful purpose. Ever been at the start
>line of a criterium and tried to get your foot into the pedal as quickly as
>possible without the covers on your pedal? The covers serve as a "guide" for
>the cleats. Otherwise, it seems that the front cleat has a tendancy to go
>into the large spring in the back, rather than the front of the pedal.
>These are just my observations.

Acutally, at a race I worked a year or so ago, the TIME representative
gave us some spare pedals to use in case a rider (PRO) needed them.
Each of these pedals had the rear cover removed.

I used to have problems with the rear cover getting stuck in the down
position until I removed mine.  Then, after getting sick of deformed
metals parts not "clicking in" I just switch to LOOK.  Not sorry at all.
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: I need advice with my MTB brake cables...
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:42:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1bn9tdINNsl@agate.berkeley.edu>, gecko@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
wrote:
>
> Actually, there is a reason for avoiding the single cable connection on
> cant. brakes: imagine what would happen if your brake cable broke or slipped
> off.  The cant. brakes would spread and stretch the single cable out, causing
> contact with the tire.

No it wouldn't.

At least no more than conventional straddle cable.

Slippage I can understand as a result of inexperienced maintenance.
But it's awfully hard to BREAK a brake cable that hasn't been telegraphing
its impending doom for a couple of months. It just doesn't happen except on
totally neglected bikes.

  --scott