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From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: cold in my bones / Marie Coffin 
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:32:58 GMT


	cold in my bones
	------------------------------------------------------------
	
	there is a crisp cold 
	that makes you think
	of fallen red leaves 
	and apple cider and 
	the smell of cinnamon
	but this is not like that.
	
	this cold is wet like 
	soft melting ice, like 
	clammy wool socks in the rain,
	like a fuzzy scarf around 
	your throat that snow 
	has fallen on and then 
	your breath melted the snow: there 
	it is, the whole wet length
	around your neck.  the damp air
	is an unwelcome caress,
	ghostly fingers from a lover
	i don't miss.
	
	i need
	all the images i can conjure up
	of hot tea and the bitter smell
	and the cup scorching my palm
	to sustain me,
	
	and i can see a curry
	with dark lamb smooth
	creamy and deceptive
	blazing in my throat.
	it steams in my mind
	and beckons me on.


Marie Coffin
November 19, 1992

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From: sp15@quads.uchicago.edu (steven  paul)
Subject: "The Great Deception" <Steven E. Paul>
Reply-To: sp15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:05:09 GMT

THE GREAT DECEPTION
By Steven E. Paul

Look not upon me,
I am not what I appear to be;

I proclaim myself to be a god--
I am not even worthy to be a man,
I am a mere beast in disguise;

I fear nothing,
I remain unmoved by
The fiery wrath of the sun...
Until you look my way--
Peering into the depths of my eyes,
Chastising the creature that dwells
Within my soul...

I am strong,
Until you pass my side--
Your presence sends
Me into an inferno of
Weakening allurement...

My heart has turned cold,
My warmth has faded,
Tears are shed--
With the sacred seclusion
Of my flesh;

Why must you parade your magnificance
In such humble ways?
  the glint of a distant star within your eye,
  the murmur of an angel within your sigh,
  the compassion in a lover's grace,
  the wonders of a child's face...

This I see in you,
This you hid from view...

I have seen your beauty,
I have felt your wrath,
You are too kind to tolerate me,
Too high to love me...

Toss me, then, to the wind--
Let me wither miserably
Within the agony of my self-pity...

If only you'd allow me to search
The depths of your soul...
If only I could beach upon the shores
Of your love...
Eternally content would I be...

-- 
"HOMO SUM; HUMANI NIHIL A ME ALIENUM PUTO..."  Steven E. Paul <sp15@midway.uchicago.edu>  Send lots of E-mail!
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: A few old poems...just 'cause I'm bored (c&c welcome)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:02:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Nov19.150211.20723
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


	To One Unborn

Looking into your eyes that might-have-been,
I see reflected a stream of possibilities...
	A silver voice of song,
		An artist's hands.
	Love for good books,
		Or even trashy novels...
	A warm heart.
		A cool head.
			Too late now.

Oh, little might-have-been,
	Would you have understood
		had you grown to wisdom?
Perhaps you might have explained
	to a girl, who barely understood herself.
Or perhaps you would rage,
	at the damming of the stream;
		the death of your dreams.

Forgive me?

*****

Copyright April 1992 M.A. Mohanraj
-- 
More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads.  One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness.  The other to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
						 - Woody Allen
From: hornpete@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Peter Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Litigation (Poem)
Date: 15 Nov 92 10:47:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Nov15.084756.203278
Organization: University of Cape Town

LITIGATION: BEING AN EXACT TRANSCRIPTION 
OF THE MOVING SPEECH ADDRESSED TO THE 
MINING MAGNATES AT THEIR ANNUAL DINNER.
---------------------------------------

When the evening unfolds its smoke-coloured banner,
gentlemen,
what do we do then? We fill
our stomachs with chicken and strawberry cream.
Or maybe drink cane spirit.

But the likes of us know: even that
doesn't fill the grey hole
in the stomach. The wind which is
very cold
is not an angel's song
nor comfortable.

Nor does it help us that our faces
are treacherous gravel: all
very similar
even a hundred of them no more
than a great emptiness.

No, gentlemen, that won't help us nor the
mountainous concrete
towering above all previous Babylonian towers,
nor a share
in the hollow boom nor profits
in the sex business.

When the evening unfolds its smoke-coloured banner,
gentlemen,
it is time to throw our cigars away,
gulp down our whiskey,
and honestly declare
our utter
and complete bankruptcy.

Peter Horn
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From: gschlesi@scott.skidmore.edu (Christopher Robin)
Subject: Re: nothing
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:53:25 GMT

sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy) writes:
> 
> (not meaning to be trite, but wondering nice definitions of
> aesthic. and wondering how people approach argueing about
> aesthitics, because each can claim a private aesthetic and
> by that argument, whatever the person wants becomes
> aesthitical. 
> Which is not very useful if the two people want
> to have a related _________. It also makes the
> word "aesthetic" useless. 
> If it can mean everything, why not not "everything" instead of "aesthetic"? 
> absolutely ridiculous.  I know because I do it all the time.)

I'll put in my 2 cents on this subject.  Aesthetic could mean
completely different things to people, and in many ways it is.  But
most of us agree upon a lot of things whether naturally or through
enculturation nobody really knows (or maybe they do and are just
hiding it from me).  In general though, people like a sense of order.
Not neccesarily strict order but something which presents some sort of
sense to the person.  Also they like a blending of form and function
so to speak.  A poem about anger should not be stuck into
Shakespearean Sonnet form etc.

> 
> (perhaps I should look up how people have arguments and talk to each
> other. I started reading "refutations...blahblah" by Aristotle (returned
> it back to the library - I am VERY DANGEROUS with library books. no
> kidding. I just got my fines mailed to me for over the summer. (pale pale
> face meeting the mail) (I must have returned all of my library books
> that day and decided that I could make a profit buying all the
> books I wanted to read) and it looked like he might start talking
> about patterns of people talking to each other. but then again,
> maybe he was being too s peciallized. it did have refutations in
> the title after all. anyway, I'll be looking up some book in the
> library and just watching people to see how talking works.)

Interesting babble, but what are you trying to say, or are you not
really trying to say anything at all?  Too many parenthesis spoil the
soup.

> 
> I have these dreams see
> of computer screens,

I think that I do too.

> 
> I can't even see! damnit.
> the photons - they don't exist.

I like this, it makes me laugh ("Damn the photon torpedos").



> 
> I must be the most unethical person in the whole world.

Highly unlikely.  It takes  a lot of hard work to be that unethical.
<sigh> maybe someday though, if you practice everyday.


> 
> maybe I'll goad someone else into shaming me into silence by
> responding with a brilliant poem.)
> -- 
> I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
> stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu

"If I'm wrong then we'll just have to change reality." -The Anti-Poet
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From: gish@camelot.bradley.edu (Charles Bennett)
Subject: Rainbow is Out
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:20:19 GMT

this poem is by a friend of mine, the omnipotent and omniscented 
Anthony Cravero


The rainbow, alas, the rainbow is out.
Mine eyes are glorified by its colour and grandeur...
The large boyancy as it floats above the clouds...
Hark! I hear it crying as it falls towards me...
"Moo moo, I am Rainbow the coloured cow...
 I have been catapulted by mine master toward thee...
 Duck thine crown, and move thine ass...
 Lest I land upon it."





thanks for your time...
just thought that needed to be brought out to the world...
From: wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED (Is poetry luxury?)
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: wachtel@canon.co.uk
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

conrad@kryton.UUCP (Konstatin Kalikanzaros) writes:
> wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel) writes:
> > > conrad@kryton.UUCP (Konstatin Kalikanzaros) writes:
> > > wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel) writes:
> > > > casteley@phil.ruu.nl (Eric Casteleyn) writes:
> > > > 
> > > > >   I recently overheard someone say that poetry is a luxury item. In-
> > > > > tuitively I disagreed, but I've had some trouble putting together a 
> > > > > definitive article to prove him wrong. Maybe he was right. Maybe I'm
> > > > 	if you need an argument
> > > > 	the other has won it
> > > Shear defeatism!
> > Sheer defeetism? Perhaps I was a touch unclear. I only meant that
> > arguments are not always necessary for having the courage of ones own
> > convictions. Poetry, like water, doesn't need justification.
> If you have the courage of your convictions then defending them should be 
> a piece of cake.  Just be sure to make in an argument and not a fight!
> conrad

it's not about pieces of cake. suppose my conviction is that it is
silly to argue about whether poetry is a luxury. how (or rather why) to
make an argument for that? please dont tell me. :)

anyway, it's time we went back to the time-honoured rap tradition of
'no comment without verse'. all this talk talk talk is no good.

	roll about and here and there
	all in my hot dim dark air
	that blows and blows and comes to blows
	just to say 'i was there!'
	too many rows of prose round here...


-- 

Tom Wachtel (wachtel@canon.co.uk)
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From: PROWSE@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Natalie)
Subject: Another version of "artifacts" / Natalie
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:42:16 GMT
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Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

 alk4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Alex L. Karan) writes:

>Artifacts
>---------
> 
>
>in a trash can 
>near her bed
>
>a wasted rose 
>and a condom full of love
>

I won't jump into the fray, in the usual way, instead, I offer this 
alternative set of images:
(Thanks for the inspiration, Alex :-)

		more artifacts...
		-------------------------------------------------------------
		
		on a table 
		near her bed

		stands a bud vase
		which contains a rose
		thirstily drinking itself
		into full bloom.

		in the trashcan
		near her bed

		rest six spent, 
		contented condoms.

		
			-Natalie (I like verbs :-) / November 21, 1992

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From: sp15@quads.uchicago.edu (steven  paul)
Subject: "Sinful Saint" <Steven E. Paul>
Reply-To: sp15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:55:19 GMT

SINFUL SAINT
by Steven E. Paul

I kneel before thee
In sweet admiration--
You have become my savior...
You have delievered me from the hell 
that awaited my fall--
The hell of solitude...

How I pray unto thee for
Deliverance

Save me from the sin of 
  Salvation...

I beg of thee, redeem me with the
  Salvation of sin...

How I long for you to bow down
  Once more
To offer me a holy kiss--
A sacred seal from your
Contemptuous lips...

Pray for me, heavenly figure,
Pray that I may one day rise above
My self-condemning morals
and
Walk in peace
By your side...

-- 
"HOMO SUM; HUMANI NIHIL A ME ALIENUM PUTO..."  Steven E. Paul <sp15@midway.uchicago.edu>  Send lots of E-mail!
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From: itzenhui@cs.uwp.edu (Steve Itzenhuiser)
Subject: William Wordsworth
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:34:16 GMT


         Composed upon Westminster Bridge,
                 September 3, 1802

Earth has not any thing to show more fair:
Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
A sight so touching in it's majesty:
This city now doth, like a garment, wear
The beauty of the morning; silent, bear,
Ships, towers, domes, theaters, and temples lie
Open unto the fields, and to the sky;
All bright and glittering in the smokeless air.
Never did sun more beautifully steep
In his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill;
Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!
The river glideth at his own sweet will:
Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
And all that mighty heart is lying still!
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From: alk4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Alex L. Karan)
Subject: Archeology
Reply-To: alk4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:46:13 GMT

the prompt asks: are you sure you want to do this.  I lied.:)

with the ongoing rewriting of "artifacts" i've thought of adding
on my own continuation.  It is not a rewrite of the poem,
just its soul.


Archeology
----------


Pressed under a piece glass
looking out of soil:

a bracelet of dandelion
and a kopek on a piece of foil.

Twelve years ago, 
there would have been a note
and a yellow fuzzy jewel;
only this is missing.

Or everything.



Alex L. Karan

(a kopek is a russian coin)

Alex

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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: A few old poems...just 'cause I'm bored (c&c welcome)
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:30:32 GMT


	Fragile Trust

A crystal treasure
Cracked and burned, in careless hands long past...
Taped over with black bandages of forgetfulness
And covered with fine white scars.
It trembles in the light of your regard,
And your song echoes back in a pure crystal singing,
Marred by the subtlest of distortions,
Smoothing out over time.

Oh love, do you even know what you hold
In gentle hands?
A sadly battered heart...
Take care.

*****

Copyright April 1992 M.A. Mohanraj
-- 
More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads.  One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness.  The other to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
						 - Woody Allen
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From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Subject: Re: more about ASSASSINS -- Boston production
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:43:49 GMT

The Boston Conservatory just did quite a good production
of the ASSASSINS.  I think I have the program somewhere
if anyone needs details.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: LOCAL:  Ovation Awards in Los Angeles
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:01:48 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
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As part of the continuing effort to promote LA as a cultural and
artistic center in the nation and the world, Theatre League Alliance
hosted their Ovation Awards last night at the Doolittle Theatre in
Hollywood.  Some of the honorees included Mayor Tom Bradley, John
Raitt, ARCO Foundation, Frank Levy, John Gottlieb and a few others I
don't remember.

It was a very well-presented show.  John Laroquette was the host.  His
hair is shoulder length and the audience gave an audible gasp as he
stepped out.  He was very funny and serious at the appropriate times.
The entertainment was also very good, well-timed and well executed.
ComedySportz made an appearance.  They are an improv group, but for
last night, I think they planned their songs.  The Gregorian Chant
about theatre in LA was very funny.

Bonnie Raitt gave a moving introduction to her father, admittedly
biased, but when someone has been a major force in musical theatre for
52 years, he deserves it.  John and Bonnie Raitt sang a duet as a
thank you, to which the audience gave a standing ovation.

Gregory Peck was on hand as a presenter, so were Joan Van Ark and
Gregory Harrison and a host of other people I don't remember.  On the
whole, LA theatre gave itself a good, well deserved show last night.

	-- Anita --

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From: lindam@tardigrade.Eng.Sun.COM (Linda McAllister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Re: The Rink
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:50:01 GMT
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In article <1egc2kINNh7f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> mac@cats.ucsc.edu (Michael C. Clark) writes:
>
>Recently ran across a CD for a musical called The Rink.  Can anyone give
>me any background/thoughts on it?  
>

Theatreworks, a semi-professional company in Palo Alto, did it some years ago.
It's one of only two plays I've walked out on (because it was getting very
difficult to resist the urge to tell the heroine that the reason she was
having problems was because she insisted on behaving like a spoiled brat).
Based on the half that I did see: contrived plot (hippie-type woman has sudden
notion to return home just as her mother (who has not heard from her for
years) is going to sell a failing skating rink that in theory belongs to the 
daughter and move out of a lower class neighborhood; although said daughter 
has shown no interest in the rink before, she now wants to save it and turn 
it into the neighborhood recreation center, even though its been losing
money) forgetable music, self-absorbed cardboards - er- characters.  It's 
made me leery of anything else McNally's been involved with (although to be 
fair this is his weakest work).


lm

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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: _West Side Story_ lyrics-- how many versions?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:13:32 GMT


	I'm listening to my _WSS_ cast album again, and have finally managed
to remember to post about this: I know that in the movie, the line "Dear Officer
Krupke, what are we to do?/ Gee, Officer Krupke, Krup you!" was changed to "...
think/... you stink!" but what other lines were changed to protect the tender
sensibilities of movie audiences? 

	And for that matter, does the cast album represent an intermediate level
of euphemism, or does it contain the lyrics as originally written? There are a
number of obvious euphemisms like "when the spit hits the fan" and "mother-
lovin' street," but perhaps that was as daring as musicals got in the 50's--
anyone know? 'Cause I don't.


-- 
Coming soon: lim@graphics.rent.com
Please direct mail to this new address. I need a reason to use my local
(and free, as far as my phone bill goes) account. Murky buckets.
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:32:43 -0500 
From: Kimberly Sewright <ks57+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Theater grad schools

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.theatre: 20-Nov-92 Re: Theater grad
schools by Larry Westdahl@lclark.ed 
> Carnegie Mellon, UC San Diego, USC, and Northwestern all have good 
> programs.  I would guess that a strong program in technical theater or 
> acting might not be strong in playwriting also.  If you want to write 
> for the theater, you should probably go where the strong writing 
> programs are, like Iowa, Denver, or Arizona.

Carnegie Mellon is a conservatory program that is extremely strong.
However, because of the program's philosophy about acting training, it
offers a BFA in Acting but not a graduate degree. It does offer a
graduate degrees in the other disciplines, I believe.

Kim
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From: sws8n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Stefan William Sittig)
Subject: Re: Theater grad schools
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.001613.15076@u.washington.edu> meriel@stein.u.washington.edu (Dance For Me Salome) writes:
>ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho) writes:
>
>
>>  Could somebody give me some info on theater graduate programs? I am
>>considering eventually getting a BFA or MA in Playwriting or Performance.
>>What good schools offer grad studies in theater arts? Would I still be
>>able to take courses in more technical areas as well? At Oxy we have a
>>general theater arts BA, where you get a sampling of performance, writing
>>and technical, but being a double major I haven't gone very far into any
>>one area. I interned for Oxy's theater festival last summer, and, neat as
>>it was, I only got really good at follow spotting and lifting flats. Heh.
>>                                                   --ac
>Well, UW offers the PATP-- Performing Arts Training Program, which offers 
>an MFA in Playwriting, Directing, or Acting (and also design fields, too).
>
>Being a PhD student, I don't know a whole lot about it, but the people i know
>who are in it are interesting and dynamic.
>
>-lisa

 I also want some information on MFA programs in ACting, Musical Theatre or Theatre Education.  Does anyone have any info on a good, inexpensive program that could not only give me good acting training but also training to treach theatre at the University level?  I would be very grateful.  I am open to any state in theUS but would prefer something on either coast or in New England.  Thanks.
You can Email me at sws8n@faraday.clas.virginia.edu

	thanks again.
:)

.
From: dkodmur@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Kodmur)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Barbara Cook, and Other Info Needed!!!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 01:40:10 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Barbara Cook, one of my all-time favorite performers, is doing her one-woman
show in Los Angeles from now until the first week in December.

I need to know if her concert/show is scheduled to make any other stops, like
Northern California for example......:)

I have not seen her in years and I am going through withdrawal.....

If any newsgroup devotees in LA have any information, feel free to respond
privately or on the net.......

Thanks!!!

Danny

PS. I am loving the new KING AND I, and yet there has been precious little
interchange about it on the net.....Does anyone know if the recording sessions
have been filmed for documentary purposes??

PPS. Does anyone know if plans are being made to record the Sondheim revue
with Julie Andrews that is in preparation at the Manhattan Theater Club???