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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: Chrysler's 800 customer support number, help please...
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:47:27 GMT

gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman) writes:


>	I've been trying to get through on Chrysler's 800 customer support
>number for days now.  The line is busy, busy, busy...
>	Can someone tell me if the number I'm calling is the right one?

>	800-992-1997

I recently got a notice that the 800 number listed in the back of the
owners manuals (at least for my car) was wrong, and they gave the
correct one.  Sorry, but I dont have either the incorrect or correct
ones with me.

Mike
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: More CHP shit!
Reply-To: Marshal.perlman@bbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:03:45 GMT

Remember a week or so ago..I was talking about the "Police' Syclone I saw
[prob. CHP]....well today..I saw even worse things.

PURE WHITE ON WHITE Interceptors!!!! <for those who don't know..interceptors
are the mustang lx's {5.0s} that the CHP uses.>

Gosh..I am glad I am moving to Florida soon...I also have seen white on white
cruisers..but those are easy to see with the light bar and / or drop light.

BTW..the interceptors had NO DROP LIGHTS..but i saw the damn shotgun!

Geeze!

I also saw something else cool...2 flat bed semi's that were CDF (calif. dept
of forestry) carring earth movers that were CODE 3! The semis had light bars on
them and the sirens were BLAIRING.....

That just struck me as odd..I guess they had to make a firebreak pronto!!
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From: root@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (0000-Admin(0000))
Subject: Re: [US] Accord Quality
Reply-To: dan@Grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: Your Organization Here
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:18:09 GMT

In article <2450011@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM>, eric@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Eric Fellers) writes:
|> Ever notice how the seat upholstery fitment on Marysville Accords is pretty
|> tacky?  Serious wrinkles and gaps.  Not at all up to the quality of their 
|> Japan-built counterparts.  It's very simple to distinguish the US-built
|> Accords from the imported ones, just by examining the seat cover fitment.
|> I've done it (at our local Honda dealer) with near perfect accuracy.
|> (Alas, there are fewer & fewer imported ones on the lot these days, so
|> the comparison is harder & harder to arrange.)
|> 
|> As a Honda fan, this is very troubling to me.  It casts a shadow over their
|> favorable reputation for quality.  Hopefully the situation will improve, but 
|> this has been an observable problem for several years now.

You must be kidding.  Every Japanese Honda/Acura I have seen had horrible
problems.  My examples:

  89 Integra LS - every peice of plastic body part was either deformed or
                  improperly set. Several factory defects.
  92 Prelude    - it was a rental with 250! miles.  The door molding on both
                  sides fell off.  The hood was noticable offset from 
                  one side to the other.  The black dashboard appeared
                  warped. AC didn't work.
  92 Legend     - engine block rear seals needed replacing at 8000 miles !
                  A $1000 warranty job.

I have many friends who own AMERICAN made Hondas who have experienced next
to no problems with factory defects.  The Integra above was my vehicle,
it was nothing but trouble.  Several colleuges purchased 89 Integras and 
none of them said they would buy another.  I can say I used to be a Honda
fan, but based on my experiences I would never buy another Japanese made
Honda/Acura product.

dan
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: buying a new car
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:40:03 GMT

I am likely buying a new car in the next 30 days.
I am shooting for an end-of-model-year sale, just before
the `93s go on sale.

I *hate* overpaying on cars and would like any tips,
suggestions, etc for when I deal with the car sales
critters. I will have an 1987 Maxima (70,000 miles, loaded)
as a trade in. The tradein value is probably $5000-6000 on the
car.

1-is there an 800# I can call that will direct me to a dealer
  where I can avoid the whole sales game and just pay a nominal
  amount above wholesale?

2-Failing that, I plan to *know* the wholesale price of the
  car I wish to buy and negotiate up from that.
  My tactic will be as follows:
  A-walk in wife and whenever salesman attempts to be overly
    positive, have her say things like:
    'Too much money'
    'I like XXX better'
    'I don't like this style'
    'We can't afford it'
  B-Ask to see the wholesale price and discuss their profit.
    Show them my view of the wholesale price.
    Ask about incentives between the dealer and the
    manufacturer.
  C-Discuss other nearby dealers offering the same car and why
    I should buy here.
  D-Discuss financing, leasing options. This should make them
    more flexible on the car price since they will hope to make
    it up in the financing/leasing of the car.
  E-Decide on final price of car. 
  F-Mention Tradein and get a quote from them.
  G-Show them evidence for my value of the tradein
    Agree on a tradein price.
  H-Tell them I will buy RIGHT NOW if they meet my
    price requirements, again mentioning options on
    financing and leasing.
    Ignore anything the salesman says like
      'My manager won't sell the car at that price'
    Ignore anyone else who may try to 'close' the sale
      at a higher price.
    Ignore conversations about rustproofing, sound-deadening,
      extended warranties, although show interest in them
      until I finally agree on the new car price itself.
  I-Shake hands on the agreed upon prices and tell them
     thanks.
  J-Pay cash when all is said and done. Skip financing and
    leasing options (usually bad ideas for customer). 

Can anyone offer other tips/suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Joe
joec@morgan.com
From: johns@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (John Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 93 MX-6 Prices
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:15:22 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.

# My sister is thinking of buying a 93 MX-6.  Has anybody 
# recently bought one??  The dealers here in the Dallas/FW area
# are quoting her 17-18K for a 4-cylinder w/ sunroof, automatic,
# and AC.  Is this an OK price.  
That's the price range I got for the LS with the V6...
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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:23:25 EDT
Organization: Surely you jest

mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:

> I also saw something else cool...2 flat bed semi's that were CDF (calif. dept
> of forestry) carring earth movers that were CODE 3! The semis had light bars 
> them and the sirens were BLAIRING.....
> 
> That just struck me as odd..I guess they had to make a firebreak pronto!!

The funniest police-type vehicle I've ever seen is a GMC passenger bus 
that the NYC transit police have converted into a mobile booking station 
for fare beaters. The sight of a big city bus, with light bars (2) and 
sirens blaring is enough to give me a badly-needed laugh every time I see 
it.

--
55: It's not a good idea - it's just the law.
The country needs them more than ever: Bill 'n' Opus in '92!
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: V6 .vs. inline 6
Keywords: 6
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:17:33 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

I hope this question isn't too simple, but...

What are the difference, both real and philosophical, between the
performance of a V6 engine .vs. an inline 6 engine?

-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: 300zx better than the L88? NOT!
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.183359.16433@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul29.183455.304@wam.umd.edu> fitchitt@wam.umd.edu () writes:
|> >What about fuel injection? (btw this is a "real" question, I honestly don't
|> >know if there was fuel injection before the 50's)
|> 
|> fuel injection (like many automotive features) came from the aviation
|> industry, and goes back to the 30s (at least) in that context.
|> 
|> and here is another examples:
|> 
|> 4 valves per cylinder:  1912 Peugot Gran Prix car
|> (and there were motors with even more valves per cylinder even earlier)
|> 
|> rear transaxles: 1930s vintage Alfa Romeo Race cars
|> 
|> DOHC Hemis:  lots of 'em in the 20s and 30s
|> 
|> there is indeed little new under the sun,
|>   richard
|> -- 

Yep, about the biggest techno-development I can remember was Mazda's rotary.
That was about 30 years ago! IMO the main advantage late model cars have over
vintage autos is in weight. Modern assembly techniques have shed an average
of 500 to 1000 lbs off curb weights. It is much easier to make a lighter car
handle than a heavy one. So by applying old technologies in new ways to a lighter
vehicle the result is a larger performance envelope. (This is not rocket science)

Just another $0.02

Ericy
From: dheisler@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Dave Heisler)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: MAZDA DEALER RIP OFF
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:29:42 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University


  a ford dealer tried to include a $150 coupon
  booklet for "$3000" worth of repairs. on a used
  car close. i told 'em take it off or I'll walk.

  they took it off, but it was a pain.

dave
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary & right of way
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:20:30 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <jimf.711659118@centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

>The cop answered, "Six cars ran
>that red light.  You were the seventh."  That pretty much sums up
>traffic law enforcement around Boston.

Well, you have to start somewhere, you know.  I think it says more about the
attitude of Boston drivers.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron.
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Daily I'd go over to Congress - that grand old benevolent national asylum - and
report on the inmates there.  Never seen a body of men with tongues more handy,
or information more uncertain.  If one of those men had been present when the
Deity was on the point of saying "Let there be light" we never would've had it.
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:39:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul29.151608.242@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.123706.674@cbnews.cb.att.com>, rescue13@cbnews.cb.att.com (cynthia.a.collins) writes:
>> I understand the 1993 Camaro is being totally redone.  Does anyone
>> out there know details?  I am considering this vehicle as my solution
>> to my mid-life crisis.  Could anyone with details please pass them
>> along to me.  
>> 
>> cac
>
>They have restyled it differently than the 82-92 models.  Personally, I don't
>care for the styling compared to the earlier models.  Supposedly, they are
>supposed to install the 300hp LT1 engine from the 92 Corvette.  That is all I
>know about it right now.
>
>--Rob


  Yeah, the new engine is the only good thing I've heard about it so far.
I saw a side-shot view of the '93 Camaro and I didn't like it; the front
headlight assembly did look just like the 3rd generation headlights,
but the whole body is kind of pointy and sloped weird- looks like a 
Lumina on steroids.  Of course, I didn't like the first pictures that
came out of the new RX-7; guess you have to wait until you see on in
person to judge it.  They are offering two engines from what I"ve heard:
a turbo-charged 4 cylinder (Quad-4?) and a toned-down 8 cylinder that the 
Corvettes have.  Chevy can't have those Firebirds and Camaros outrunning
those vettes that cost $15,000 + more. :-)

  Doug
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From: hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks)
Subject: Re: Yokohama tires
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:14:56 GMT

kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock) writes:

>In article Yokohama tires of 21 Jul 92 15:34:00 GMT Mike Stukalin writes:

>>I need a pair of tires for the rear of my '85 MR2. The size is 185/60hr-14
>>I currently have 2 Yoko 352's up front and 2 bold Dunlops on the back.
>>The car is driven on the street, although I'm looking forward to my first 
>>Auto-X in August.


>I don't remember if they were 352's or not, but my Mits Mirage
>came stock with Yoko's. The car cornered poorly at high speeds and I was 
>anxious to replace them to see if that was the problem. The Yoko's
>were indeed the problem as the car handles mush better with Cooper
>perf's.  I was examining the old Yoko's after they were removed and 
>found the sidewalls to be complete mush...no reinforcement whatsoever.

I have a set of Y352's on my 1982 Fiat Spyder, and like them a lot. They
were a big improvement over the Michelin MXL's that came on the car when I
bought it, for about the same cost. 

A lot of people that I've talked to about tires have spoken highly of Yoko
A509's as well. Unfortunately, I needed money for other things at the time,
and couldn't afford the extra expense. 

--hal

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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: Car Bigotry (was: 300Z vs. M3)
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.182940.15665@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
|> i'm seeing some unfair cheap shots at some japanese manufacturers about
|> lack of tradition; it is true that most japanese auto companies are
|> effectively post wwii in origin, but certainly i wouldn't critique
|> them for lack of competition history.  no, they haven't every won an
|> mille miglia or a targa florio, but that's been rather difficult to
|> do of late.  just keep in mind that Honda went into F1 in the 60s, and
|> has stuck there for a long time, and that there was a guy named Brock
|> who used to race something called a `screaming yellow zonker'.  also,
|> keep in mind that between the great bmw 328 of the 30s and the impressive
|> cars of today, BMW made the Isetta and the 700.
|> 
|> so let's keep some perspective here, people.

Good point. I am always amazed when I hear the phrase "the japanese will NEVER
match the tradition of the european car makers" jeez "never" is a awfully
long time. Porsche, BMW and Ferrari are fabulous cars but they just don't
have some kind of magic fairy dust that they sprinkle over there cars to
make them great, its basic engineering and a love for the cars they produce
that make them great. All people have to do is take a good long hard look at 
what the Japanese are doing in the domestic market and at the race track to
see that they are exhibiting all of the above qualities. 

I was at a recent Porsche driver school and actually overheard a group of 
Porschephiles talking about the new RX7 saying that this is the type of car 
Porsche should be producing, I guess there is hope after all.-) No this doesn't
mean all Porsche owners are going to go out and by RX7's, in fact most wouldn't
be caught dead in anything else but a Porsche, but most have the common sense
to realize that the Corvettes, RX7 and Z cars have all the rich tradition of
any European cars out there.

Please "just say no to car bigotry". We are living in the Golden Era of 
Cars, enjoy it while it lasts.

-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Unmarked COP Cars (Was Re: More CHP shit!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:28:12 GMT
	<1992Jul22.225739.12325@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
	<1992Jul26.153043.4618@r-node.gts.org>
Distribution: usa
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality


adammot@r-node.gts.org (Adam Mottershead) writes:

Adam> This may start a debate, but what is the use of these cars?  The
Adam> police line is that someone who might decide to 'run' will stop
Adam> because they see that it is a Camaro (Mustang, etc.).  Personally,
Adam> I feel it would just encourage a person to take off.
Adam>  
Adam> If a person is thinking about taking off on a cop, just because a cop is
Adam> driving a high-performance car won't make them stop, they may want to
Adam> 'race' and beat them even more.

I disagree.  Most motorists who would contemplate running for it would
think twice (or even be scared shitless into submission) at the sight
of a Mustang or worse.  Never mind the fact all of those Caprice
cruisers pack enough horsepower to chase you down on their own; it's
all psychological.  It's only the rare wingnut who thinks "I'm gonna
lose 'im if it's the last thing I do" and could care less about whether
it's an interceptor or not ...


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Happiness Is Sixteen Valves and a 7500 RPM Redline ...
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:21:32 -0400 
From: "Richard K. Chin" <rc47+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: fix muffler


A 1-centimeter hole has appeared on my muffler.  What's a good way to
repair it?

Richard
rc47+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New MBs
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:47:17 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology

In article <1992Jul24.133648.22319@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.094917.4288@csus.edu>
>aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (A. Alisson) writes:
>>There should be a new 600 SEC coming to the U.S. this Fall.
>	...
>>I couldn't wait to see it in person even though....
>
>I swear I've seen two of them already- one parked in front of the Cambridge
>(MA) Marriott across the street from here, the other (this is heartbreaking)
>driven at 60 mph hogging the left lane by some 18-year-old looking female who
>was incompetenty two-handing it, and it was obviously too much car, as she
>almost crashed it *twice* just trying to change lanes. I guess daddy was out
>of town that week.


I have seen one also, they are available now! To those who can affor them. 
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:07:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.060345.3258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Marshal.perlman@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
>Remember a week or so ago..I was talking about the "Police' Syclone I saw
>[prob. CHP]....well today..I saw even worse things.
>
>PURE WHITE ON WHITE Interceptors!!!! <for those who don't know..interceptors
>are the mustang lx's {5.0s} that the CHP uses.>

Well as it turns out, last weekend, I saw a new 93 Ford Probe CHP car.  No light
bar on top, only a couple of lights in the rear deck and by the front rear view
mirror.

I didn't expect to find such a recent car as a CHP car.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Yokohama tires
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:09:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <hgm.711980096@fbi.cc.ncsu.edu>, hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
> kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock) writes:
 
>>In article Yokohama tires of 21 Jul 92 15:34:00 GMT Mike Stukalin writes:
 
>>>I need a pair of tires for the rear of my '85 MR2. The size is 185/60hr-14
>>>I currently have 2 Yoko 352's up front and 2 bold Dunlops on the back.
>>>The car is driven on the street, although I'm looking forward to my first 
>>>Auto-X in August.
  
 
> I have a set of Y352's on my 1982 Fiat Spyder, and like them a lot. They
> were a big improvement over the Michelin MXL's that came on the car when I
> bought it, for about the same cost. 
 
> A lot of people that I've talked to about tires have spoken highly of Yoko
> A509's as well. Unfortunately, I needed money for other things at the time,
> and couldn't afford the extra expense. 
 
I had an '85 VW Jetta GLI with Yokohama AVS Intermediates, size 195/60VR14.
These tires were excellent! Made the car stick to the road like glue.

The only problem was tire wear- they only lasted about 20K, with two or three
months off each year when I had snow tires on.

When considering Yokohama tires, take into account that they have a reputation
for being only mediocre in wet conditions. They are nearly unmatched in dry
weather.

If you buy some tires, try Tire Rack. They can be found in the back of Car and
Driver or Road and Track. I haven't seen lower prices anywhere and I like their
service. 185/60VR14 AVS Intermediate should be about $85 per tire, A509s would
be even less.

Taka