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From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: Stay Informed on Music Censorship
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Music Censorship Rock and Roll Confidential
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:16:38 GMT

ARE YOU TIRED OF TAKING SHIT FROM CENSORS? Here is what 
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music. Support your local independent music store.

RETAILERS: Do not ask for ID. Do not stop anyone from buying the music 
they love. Let rock and rap fans know you support them and they will 
support you.

MUSICIANS: Form a chapter of the Music Alliance in your city. Find out 
how other musicians are networking to increase their audience and get 
access to the equipment and facilities they need (write: Music Alliance, Box 
341305, LA, CA 90034).

EVERYBODY: Listen to rock and rap no matter who tells you not to.

STAY INFORMED!!!

You can not fight the censors if you do not know what is happening. For just 
$10.00, you can get a three-issue subscription to ROCK AND ROLL 
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From: ddf@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (D.D.F.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re:"Rap Sucks Balls"
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:35:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	The author of the article "Rap Sucks Balls" is obviously an idiot. He 
knows nothing about rhythm and nothing about music. The only reason he wrote
that article was to piss people off. He has no sense of taste and knows nothing
Rap RULES EVERYTHING KID!!
	'Nuff said.
From: mfreeman@husc8.harvard.edu (Mark Freeman)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: New Albums
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:16:11 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


 Hey--I saw T-Dub(I think that's who it was)'s article on new music.
When exactly is LONS comin' out wit' something new? What about 
ATCQ? What about Black Sheep (by the way, wassup wit' Mr. Lawnge's
fucked-up haircut? Or is it jus' me?)

By the way, some of my friends and I were wondering, and there's
nothin' racist about the question, why whites seem to like gangsta
rap so much, as opposed to other forms of hip-hop, like ATCQ. Now,
don't flood the group with your "I like Tribe and De La and all them"
cuz I know whites like them, too, but it seems like many whites
concentrate mostly on NWA and the like, and, let's face it, them
brothas ain't doin' shit for the portrayal of a positive brotha.
I mean, I'm from the ghetto, and I know how bad it is, and they don't
talk about how their moms had to wake up at 5:30 in the mornin'
and catch a bus to go clean somebody's house. All they do is glorify
black-on-black crime and perpetuate the cycle of violence, hatred,
and racial misunderstanding---and they get paid for it!!! They probably
put very little, if any, of their earnings back into the community. 
Ice Cube at least helps his brothas out. So wassup wit dat? Please
answer maturely and sincerely, and don't accuse me of racism or auto-
racism or anything like that.
                                                Peace,
                                                Ronin Wolf
                                                (Righteous Black Man)            
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3)
Subject: Re: Positive K
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:58:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.052812.10589@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Just saw the new Positive K video for, "I Got A Man."  It features Pos K
>rhyming against an unknown female voice (nothing like, "I'm Not Having It,"
>with Lyte), with him doing what he does best... trying to pick up women!  It
>pits him in different situations trying to pick up women that already have a
>man over a cool musical beat.  Could this mean that his debut album, DA SKILLS
>TA PAY DE BILLS is finally on it's way out?  I hope so.  I've been dying for
>him to drop a full album and want to hear the, "NightShift," remix, which is
>supposedly better than the original.
>
>                                              T-Dub
>                                              SHYGUY productions


I have an advance copy of the album for a while.  It is slamming...
Positive comes off real smooth and I think there are a lot of songs
on the album which are much better than "I Got a Man"  It kinda reminds
me of the Showbiz and A.G. album....

CK3
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: CHit
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:11:10 GMT

In article <Pq7esB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji) writes:
>Anyone seen the video for _You Must Learn_ by BDP? I was flippin' thru 
>some REAL OLD video tapes and came across this video...is the version 
>that KRS-One did for this video available on tape/cd/vinal? It was like a 
>mix with extra lyrics, and a dope beat...
>
>[The Real Holy Place is Mental!!]
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

BDP did release a 12" for, "You Must Learn," back in late '89 that included the
Live From The Caucus(sp?) Mountains remix; the same version as done in the
video.

                                              T-Dub
                                              SHYGUY productions
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: alt.rap
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:16:12 GMT
Organization: Indiana Daily Student

In article <857-pj+@engin.umich.edu> atb@whomp.engin.umich.edu (Adrian Bradley) writes:

>Yo fellaz, not to beat this in the head, but the post sounded like she was 
>baiting us to make fools of ourselves, and WE BIT THE HOOK!!
>
>One thing that I see time and again during the school year is people coming in
>to alt.rap and dissing it with all their might. If they really hated rap, they
>probably wouldn't subscribe to the group - why waste their time talking about
>music that they have no desire to listen to, unless they want true info and/or
>wanna start commotion because they have nothing better to do? We don't have
>anything that we need to defend; we like rap/hip-hop/whatever, and regardless
>of any ignorant person that wants to complain to us otherwise, we have no need
>to cuss them out in return. If it doesn't feel right to just let it pass, then
>send personal email (as one other person on here already said) instead of
>clogging up space on alt.rap and making us look like screaming, yelling, 
>f*cking fools. 

WORD! I posted something to that effect earlier. It was only worth sending
these piddlers e-mail and not worth clogging up all that bandwidth.  Just
remember: "La Schmoove, no we don't got nothin' to prove!"

>As always, peace out to my brothers and sisters (of all races)...
>
>==AD

Double WORD!  Peace.

-- 
- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
------------- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel" ---------------
******* Coming in 1993: The long-awaited 12" single, "RAP IS AN ART" ********
****************** ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions. *******************
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3)
Subject: ATEEM
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:53:34 GMT

I just got their new single Yeah......I thought it would suck rocks but
it was fat as can be.....also got Red Hot Lover Tone's album in the
same package.  I was excited about this guy but he went soft......

Check out Yeah.......it's only got three versions of the song, but
the Master Mix is all that..

Peace

CK3
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Generic Shit
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:50:56
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
	<1992Oct9.163320.20987@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
	<d1dol.718908147@dtek.chalmers.se>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se's message of 12 Oct 92 16:42:27 GMT

>>>>> "Fredrik" == Fredrik Lundholm <d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:

  Fredrik> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>In article <92281.112845U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>, Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Last Poets (or was it Gil Scott Heron)
>>go on record in the Source and say that they did NOT want to be sampled?... I
>>was just wondering...
>>
>>Peace out...

>It was Gil Scott Heron who said that in The Source; "Just Leave My S**T
>Alone..."

  Fredrik> Well who gives a shit what he thinks, 
  Fredrik> If I were Hank Shocklee I would perhaps consider it, though.

Well, Gil S. Heron was an innovator in the rap form. While not hip-hop his
spoken word for "B-Movie" has got to be one of the most scathing political
raps ever. Besides, his works have a ton of sampleable material. Gil S.
Heron said "The revolution will not be televised" long before Professor
Griff and Ronald Reagan is still Ronnie Raygun.

You can bet that a lot of people have thought about sampling Heron's work
already but if the man doesn't want it sampled, so be it.
--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.

Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: Vanilla's Got A Boyfriend
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:39:26 GMT

In <1992Oct12.002419.8078@ac.dal.ca> whare@ac.dal.ca writes:

>In article <redmondd.718729906@unix1.tcd.ie>, redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>>>of others people's credit cards.  My, how the mighty have fallen.
>>                                                ^^^^^^
>> What's this mighty business?
>> 
>> Judge Raz

>He was being sarcastic... 

So was I !!

Judge Raz
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Hip Hop Questions....
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:31:57 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

fusion@terapin.com (Jerry Chang) writes:
:
|>"La Di Da Di" by Doug E Fresh and Slick Rick
|is this the one with the Inspector Gadget sample?  If so, this one is phresh!!

Nope; it's the b-side. The Inspector Gadget sample was in the Get Fresh
Gadget Remix of The Show.

Tx. [likes answering questions about The Show]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Name that beat!
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:15:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct10.071953.29622@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs201127@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs201127) writes...
	I don't know the name of
>the song but it's on the movie soundtrack for "Deep Cover" and it's done by MC
>Ren and a brother named Snoopy something or other.  
> 
>-Jay

	Sorry, I dont know the beat (although, I think its an original
production--but I might be wrong).  But I do know that its NOT done by
MC Ren.  It's Dr.Dre and Snoopy Doggy Dogg.  Snoop definately makes the
jam...and needs a record contract...FAST!  Because that song is played out
now.

							Amil
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: rEDMAN
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:54:52 GMT

In article <BvzAy7.IKr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil) writes:
>
>	So by now Ive listened to Redman's album a couple of times, and
>I must say it kicks!  Reggie comes off HAAAAARD!  And the production
>is near perfect.  He's got a good future ahead of him.  
>

Since my first listen to Redman's album, I like it more and more.  And yeah,
Redman(I don't know him so I wont call him by his real name) does come off
kind of hard, but I don't know about that near perfect production stuff.  It
was pretty tight and the levels were pretty distinguishable, but what do you
mean when you say it was "near perfect"?

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions
From: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Possible Origins of Hip Hop Re: DJ Cool Herc
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:06:53 GMT
Reply-To: ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct5.150131.12855@athena.mit.edu>, crafts@athena.mit.edu (The Invisible Man) writes:
>I say this is a possibilty because I don't know the definitive chronology of hip
>hop. 
>What we now know as rap/hip hop originated in the Bronx, NYC and it has been said
> that DJ Cool Herc was the first, coming out in the Seventies. 
>Rap may not have moved out of New York until the early 80's but I think the first
>"popular" records , maybe Rapper's Delight or an Afrika BamBatta track was 1979.
>
>My hip hop history eludes me at this early stage, someone else want to clarify?
>
>Let it flow,
>
>Danny
>crafts@athena.mit.edu

From what I know, Kool Herc basically 'started' hip hop in the West Bronx back
in 1975.  From there it spread quickley to the South Bronx with the likes of
Caz, Flash and Bambatta.  In 1982, The Sugar Hill Gang put out the first
popular/successful hip hop record on wax, 'Rapper's Delight.'  A lot of people
will argue that the first hip hop record preceeded this months before by The
Fatback Band.  About two years ago, MTV had a Rockumentary where they talked to
people like Flash and Bambatta and they basically verified these opinions,
especially Bambatta with hip hop starting in the West Bronx, not the South. 
Grandmaster Caz will also argue that Big Bank Hanks' lyrics from, 'Rapper's
Delight,' were stolen from him, but that's another subject.  Also, the
Sugar Hill were from Jersey, making them the first to have a popular hip hop
song, not NYC.  And finally, in 1990 they had that big concert celebrating the
15th Anniversery of Rap.  Don't know why they said '68.....

                                                  T-Dub
                                                  SHYGUY productions
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Generic Shit
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:03:26 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN


 I got their first two albums re-released on Celluoid. But then they
 changed their record company. Any 411 on their other records?
 
 One of them went solo in the beginning of the seventies. I think he called 
 himself Lightning Rod and the record was called Hustler's Convention. He was
 backed up by Kool & the Gang playing their funky horns. Has anyone heard this
 record? Is it more like late seventies rap than The Last Poets albums?

 					-Palle Zetterstrand 
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: House Of Pain sample
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:38:54 GMT

In article <1b7jd6INNci9@aludra.usc.edu> sknezevi@aludra.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich) writes:
>
>I'm pretty damn sure that is Prince.  I'm not 100 percent positive just 
>because I haven't sampled it myself and checked it.  I think it is just 
>because that gets sampled all the time.

So am I.  I think they may have just played around with the pitch bend on it
during the sample.  I certainly doesn't sound like a horn.

>Peace
>I'm out like Parachute pants

-- 
- David J. ---- BLUE RIDDLE PRODUCTIONS ---- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu -
- Coming October 20th: GRAND PUBA, "Reel to Reel", PRINCE, "O-+->",         -
******* Coming in 1993: The long-awaited 12" single, "RAP IS AN ART" ********
****************** ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions. *******************
From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C    )
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: music production software
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


on the more technical tip, anyone have any experience using a computer to do
sampling, mixing, etc.  

i'm really interested in software that will support what dj's can do
on turntables and that will also link up to turntables , mixer, and cd.
i know most midi compatible stuff will interface with other equipment,
but from a hip hop point of view, i don't know what software will be the 
best for my applications. any advice would be appreciated.

thanks rm
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:22:10 -0400 
From: Brian Lyle Millspaw <bm2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: alt.rap


Step cuz if you think it doesn't take as mad skillz to manipulate a rekkerd
on a pair of 1200's as it does to play a damn electric guitar you're trippin

many of my friends have watched me dj and then, thinkin that it would be easy
tried to scratch and made total foolz of themselves


Peace to the real music lovers
-D'Selecta
From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: CHit
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:21:36 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- 
- BDP did release a 12" for, "You Must Learn," back in late '89 that included t
- Live From The Caucus(sp?) Mountains remix; the same version as done in the
- video.

Hmm...I am on the search for it! Only on vinal tho....This could be 
tuff...don't s'pose anyone has it on tape...mebbie we can arrange 
something to send a tape of it to me up here in Edmonton...


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: george@lloyd.Camex.COM (George Pagan)
Subject: Ice Cube/T
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:33:01 EDT

Wzup y'all-
	   Does anyone have the 411 on Ice Cube-n- Ice T 's new movie 
call "Trespass"? Got word that is was to be released Dec.23 and heard that
they're gonna do an album together. Let me know what's up.
Peace-5000
george.pagan@Channel1.COM

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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Music
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:05:27 GMT
	<1992Oct6.202115.24249@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 20:21:15 GMT

c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly) writes:
	Those are some good groups, but X-Clan? Brother J can flow, but 
|A LOT of their music comes from (pretty recent) previous rap albums. 
|I can't support that.

Bad timing.  Their last album was finished long before it was
released, In the interim, other rappers came out with similar samples.

Besides, if it sounds good and is mixed in an original way, who cares?

--
Peace.
            "Look! An X-man movie's coming out!"
                    care of a 10 year old in a Tulsa movie
                    theater, looking at a poster for _Malcolm X_
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Vanilla's Got A Boyfriend
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:30:37 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Oct12.141447.1019@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>In article <redmondd.718729906@unix1.tcd.ie>, redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>>In <1992Oct9.024719.13364@ultb.isc.rit.edu> ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>
>>>of others people's credit cards.  My, how the mighty have fallen.
>>                                               ^^^^^^
>>What's this mighty business?
>>
>>Judge Raz

>It's simply called sarcasim....

>                                     T-Dub
>                                     SHYGUY productions

Or even sarcasm perhaps??  :-)

Judge Raz
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: The Remix Thread.
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:43:40 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) writes:
:
|>>	On PE's lastest, the remixes for "Louder Than A Bomb" and "You're 
|>>Gonna Get Yours" are all that! 
:
|C'mon, the  'You're  gonna get yours' remix is nuts, they've just broke up
|Chuck's rap with the B-side of the 12"!!!
|Idiotic, you miss the whole point with the rap thing, sort of a (dumb) DUB-
|version.                                                               ^^^

And this is in fact what PE called the track on it's first outing: the
Terminator X Getaway Dub. The Reanimated TX Getaway version is just the
Dub with a few rhymes laid over the top (a few other cosmetic changes
as well, hence the reanimation). The original dub was merely the
instrumental with Terminator X scratching up assorted vocal stabs over
the top (and doing it quite well - unusual for the man with two left
hands).

Tx. [not TX]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>