From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: All-time teams
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:28:09 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <Bx7IpE.1BG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Here's a good question to ponder -- who would U put as the starting
>	five on an all-time Duke team?  In my opinion, I'd definitely have
>	Christian Laettner, Johnny Dawkins, and Danny Ferry.  Perhaps I'd

From what I have read, and from the numbers sitting in front of me, this is 
how I'd do it, position by position: (please note that, for the most part,
there was less of a differentiation between the forward and guard positions
in the past than now)

C Christian Laettner (92),  Mike Gminski (80),  Mike Lewis (68)
PF Danny Ferry (89), Gene Banks (81), Jack Marin (66)
SF Art Heyman (63), Dick Groat (52), Jeff Mullins (64) 
PG Bobby Hurley (93), Tommy Amaker (87), Bobby Bender (80)
OG Johnny Dawkins (86), Jim Spanarkel (79), Bob Verga (67)

  Laettner played much of his career at C, and his accomplishments nudge him
slightly ahead of Mikey G. even though he was not as pure a post player.
But I moved him to the 5 because of the logjam at the 4.  Lewis was a rock at
center, even when Duke started to move towards lean years in the late 60's.
  Ferry was an accomplished rebounder in college, as well as a prolific scorer.
His numbers are better than both Marin's and Banks', though both of the latter
two forwards complemented the starting centers extremely well, which may be
the reason for decreased scoring and rebounding numbers. (Banks had Gminski,
and Marin had Jay Buckley and Hack Tison)
  Small forward may be the deepest position here.  Heyman averaged 25.1 ppg
in his career and led Duke to the Final Four in 1963, when he was POY.  He was
also taken #1 in the NBA draft and was ROY.  Groat was an All-America in two
sports: baseball & basketball.  Back then, the baseball team was a national
power and the hoops team struggled at times.  He played briefly in the pros in
hoops but got more money from the Pittsburgh Pirates, where he was also an all
star.  Mullins averaged 21.9 ppg in his career and led Duke to two final fours,
64 & 66.  Oh yeah, they could rebound, too. Heyman averaged 10.9 rpg, Mullins
9.0, and Groat 7.6(only one year kept by records).  Of course, FG accuracy
was generally worse then, creating more opportunites for boards.  It's a shame
Duke hasn't retired Mullins' jersey yet.
  Point guard was not well-defined back in the 60's, so I'm sticking with more
modern guys here.  I'll take Duke's all-time assist leader, the man whose
record Hurley broke, and the Hurley-prototype leader from the Gminski era here.
  Off guard is loaded.  But I'll include legend Dawkins, who averaged 19.2
ppg, Spanarkel at 17.6 ppg, and Verga at 21.9 ppg.  None of these three were
point guards, although they could all handle the ball.  Special mention must
also be given to Steve Vacendak (the only ACC POY who was not All-ACC!), Vince
Taylor, and Tate Armstrong.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Marta likes to talk about sensuality; I say she wouldn't know sensuality if
it bit her on the ass."--Jack Handey
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