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From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney)
Subject: 100 run/rbi seasons on a team
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:43:09 GMT

Does anyone know the answers to the following questions:

What ML team had the most players with 100+ RBIs for a season?

What ML team had the most players with 100+ runs for a season?

What ML team had the most players with 100+ runs and 100+ RBIs
for a season?

What ML team had the most player-seasons with 100+ runs or 100+ RBIs
for a season?


(I ask this not because I think these are good measures of ability, but
because "my" PTP card game team looks like it will have 3 players with (100+
runs and 100+ RBIs), with another player having (100+ runs) and still
another with (100+ RBIs), over a 162 game season.  I was wondering if
this would be any sort of record if it occurred in "real life".)

(100+ is 100 or more.)
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From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (G R Price)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: dates wanted
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:19:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.
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British TV has actually started showing some baseball

OK its in the middle of the night and only an hour a week, but
its a start

Last week we had highlights of Cone's debut (a loss to the Brewers
7-2) What date was this played roughly ?  I really want to know how 
far behind his coverage is.  There is a Red Sox - A's game coming
up next week

Thanks in advance

Gwyn
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Which team is most improved???
Date: 2 Oct 1992 00:21:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Oct1.222355.27143@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
>
>Lets start a debate.  Which team has improved the most this year.
>
>Personally, I say the Astros.  Why?  1. Their record compared to last year.
>2. The road trip from hell (12-14) made them a better team for the future
>(i.e. built some character)
>
>I know there will be different opinions, so lets hear them.
    
    Well, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Montreal and Oakland have all improved
    record-wise haven't they? As for who will keep improving, Houston
    seems to be the best choice to me. I doubt if Milwaukee will get
    better next year (probably worse), Baltimore and Montreal might get
    better, but if so, not by much. Oakland can't get much better than
    it has been this year.

    --salty

>chris
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young?
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:55:25 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Maddux's stats updated to include his game on Wednesday:
>>
>>Pitcher     ERA   IP    H    BB   K   HR   CG   ShO   W   L
>>Glavine    2.87  213   191   69  121  6     7    5   20   7
>>Maddux     2.18  268   201   70  199  7     9    4   20  11
>>
>>Don't forget Bob Tewksbury, either.  He's probably as good a choice as
>>Glavine.  I believe his ERA is 2.19, and I think he's pitched 225
>>innings or so.  Walked under 20 in those innings, too.  Very Eck-like.
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And to think that five years ago both Tewksbury and Eckersley were with
the Cubs.


I saw in the paper a couple days ago that Tewksbury said that he would
probably be ahead of Swift in the ERA race (this was when Maddux's ERA
was 2.26) if Swift had pitched as many innings as he had (I believe that
Swift has only pitched about 160 innings.)  I suppose Maddux could make
the same sort of comments about Tewksbury, as Maddux has pitched about
40 more innings than him...

Does anyone know if Lefebvre will (or would have had Maddux not won on
Wednesday) pitch Maddux on 3 days rest in the Cubs final game on Sunday?
From: traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves-Pirates Pitching Rotation (Does Anyone Know It?)
Keywords: baseball
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:39:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <69781@hydra.gatech.EDU> jg10@prism.gatech.EDU (GILMORE,JOHN F) writes:
>
>PS Still looking for who the Pirates will start in all 7 games. They will
>   only give us Drabek followed by Wakefield. ESPN predicts (ha!) Tomlin
>   for game 3, but many Pirate fans seem to think Jackson will get the nod.

According to the Pirate broadcasters, speaking on the Friday night telecast,
Leyland has revamped his rotation.  Still Drabek in 1 (and probably in 4 and
7), but he's now planning on Jackson in 2 and Wakefield in 3.  Nothing stated
for 5 or 6.

To be honest, I doubt you'll know who's starting game 4 until the day of game
3, and the ad hoc rotation is likely to continue throughout the series.

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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL Rookie of Year Award?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:27:28 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1ab569INNf0k@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep29.194933.23471@news2.cis.umn.edu> thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:
|> >First, what do you mean by winning 20+ games on baserunning?  You can't mean
|> >that they won 20 more games than they would have if they didn't run bases (or
|> >if they ran like I do), since all teams do that.  Do you mean something like
|> >20 more games than if they ran like the Red Sox?
|> >
|> >Second, can you mention a few games?  If you are confident that the running
|> >game has won 20 games, you must have seen a few.
|>     
|>     They haven't won 20+ games just by the virtue of their running, but out
|>     of their 80-some wins, in at least 50 I'd say, baserunning has played a
|>     big part. There have been several ways; stealing a base, taking an extra
|>     base when it didn't seem likely, forcing mental or physical errors by the
|>     other team when Milwaukee has pressured them into making a good throw, 
|>     making the opposing pitcher forget about the hitter, etc...


While I believe that stealing and baserunning are overrated in
their contribution to winning, I sure like to watch it.  I've only
managed a couple of Brewers games this year (CBS game-of-the-month
rarely covers Milwaukee),  but the team looks like they are
having fun.  Probably dumping Sheffield caused it all :-)

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: AL MVP- Joe Carter vs Cecil Fielder?!?!?!???
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:05:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.153417.20487@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave Heart Condition Kirsch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.045043.472@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David "Knights who say" Nieporent) writes:
>>
>>Cecil posted a 377/592 in 1990.  Not bad.
>>
>>Sheffield is putting up a 383/588 this year.  Almost the same, except
>>Sheffield is a third baseman, giving him lots more defensive value than
>>Cecil NonFielder.
>>
>>Barry Bonds, on the other hand, is doing a 449/596.  Plus TONS more
>>defensive value, plus a 33-7 on the basepaths.  
>
>  Another thing to consider; isn't offense down, in general, this year? I

Not in the AL (from '90, that is).

>mean, at least in the parks where weather *can* play a factor, it seems like 
>ERAs are real pretty (Cubs, Red Sox) while run scoring is down. (I'm talking 
>about outdoor parks in Northern/Eastern climates.) The domed stadia and west 
>coast areas seem to be relatively normal, possibly even compensating a bit
>for the rest of the leagues. 
>
>  If offense *is* down in general, that would probably make Shef, Bonds,
>Daulton, McGriff, etc. look a little better relative to Cecil's 1990.
>Especially Barry, hitting in the middle of that Ruthian (tm) lineup. I'm sure
>he's seen a *lot* of meaty fastballs this year, no? :-) 

AL ERA is down this year from last year (~4.09 in 91 to ~ 3.98 this year). 
However, BOTH are higher than the AL in '90 (3.91).

NL ERA has been declining for 3 straight years 3.78 in '90, 3.68 in '91, ~3.5
this year.

By that criterion, both years look better.

Mike

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From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Randy Johnson
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:57:15 GMT

Randy Johnson *ASKED* to be taken out.

Got it?


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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: R.S.BB FAQ V1.22 (9/25/92)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:15:12 GMT

In <1992Oct1.172811.1158@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>In article <1992Oct1.014709.20685@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>>In <0g!p=3b@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>>
>>
>>>      Also, the group dynamics here are interesting.  Several of the fans
>>>here are interested in sabermetrics, a term coined to describe the study of
>>>baseball statistics.  This group includes many of the more prominent posters
>>
>>What is the purpose of this sentence?  Every poster on this net is equally
>>"prominent".  Wipe the brown stuff off your nose Kurt...

>Read a dictionary, Roger.  "Prominent" means readily noticeable,
>conspicuous.  There are certainly some posters on this net that are more
>noticeable than others, because they post more often.  

I see the words "distinguished" and "important" in my dictionary.  Aren't
they in yours?

>>>are welcome to post, note that we've heard most of it before.  Just to set
>>>the record straight, the more numbers-minded folk are just as knowledgeable
>>>about the game as their old-school counterparts, watch as many games, in some
>>>cases even play the game at competitive levels.  Many of them can converse
>>
>>Hardly.  Certainly some of them are more so.  But from what I can see the
>>vast majority of so-called "statheads" don't get any closer to the game
>>than the morning newspaper.

>Well, since you can see so well, why don't you tell us exactly what my
>involvement with baseball is and has been.

Something to do with fencing isn't it? epee? foil? or is it sabre?  whatever,
your words are sharp and your humour cutting...(you called me a dweeb once)

>>If you are going to do this faq thing Kurt, you have to try to be at least a
>>little impartial.  I realize it is an enormous undertaking and I give you
>>credit for doing it.  I certainly couldn't.  But this is not
>>rec.sport.SDCN.
>>
>>Otherwise, a very fine job.  Thank you.

>You don't like it, do it yourself.

The last paragraph was probably the most sincere in my whole posting.  At
least Kurt realizes it.  (or does he?)

rm

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From: lawson@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (thomas.lawson)
Subject: Re: Swing! Alfredo Swing!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:41:58 GMT

From what I read in the paper, the scene was like this:
Blue Jays over Yanks 9-0 in the top of the 5th
Its been pouring all game.  Gaston tells his boys not
to take close pitches.  Griffin swings at the first pitch
from Cadaret (not in the strike zone.)  Cadaret bounces
the next pitch to Griffin (he's pissed.)  Griffin fouls
off the next pitch.  Cadaret throws one high and outside
(OVER the catcher.) Griffin swings anyway and walks back
to the dugout.  THe catcher retrieves the ball and throws
to Mattingly who does not immediately touch first.
This is when the umps called time for a two hour rain
delay, jeopardizing the Jays 9-0 lead (and Morris' 20th
win.)  The umps did not want the game to become a farce.

THL
From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: If you thought last year was bad
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:42:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Sep29.214933.25710
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <16626@pitt.UUCP>, km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes...
> 
>2) We have had a newspaper strike here and have been without both
>local papers for over four months. If anybody doubts the impact this
>has on baseball, believe me it has impact. One of the great things
>about baseball is not only going to or listening to games, but
>reading about the team every day. As someone mentioned recently in
>a New York Times story on the strike here, baseball is essentially
>a soap-opera, and without the newspaper, you miss the plot. The
>Pirates are really afraid that attendance at the playoffs will be
>worse than last year.

Are *any* of the NLCS games sold out yet, or even close to it?  I'm going
to be driving down next weekend with my father and meeting up with a
fairly large group (~8), but we're not planning on buying any tickets in
advance.  The hope is that there'll even be some lower-deck outfield seats
or upper deck infield seats left so that we won't get stuck out in the
outfield upper deck.  Any chance of this? 

I see where Saturday, in addition to the Pirates' playoff game, Miami is
at Penn State in the afternoon and Notre Dame is at Pitt at night (that's 
one hell of a sports weekend!).  That can't help the attendance situation
any, nor can competing with the beloved Steelers on the tube on Sunday... 

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From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Another surprise from the media
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:05:09 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 4 Oct 1992 22:07:46 GMT

In article <1anpviINNpp5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Steven F. Hubbard writes:

> In a previous article, I wrote:

>>From Bob Ryan's column in the Boston Globe, discussing Wade Boggs' value
>>as a hitter, partly to speculate whether he would have been more
>>valuable if he had tried to hit for power:
>>
>>"Of all the statistics that baseball uses to measure offensive
>>performance, the two more useful are on-base percentage and slugging
>>percentage."

>     It might be okay if the quote is exactly correct.  If he actually said,
> "Of all the statistics . . . the two _more_ useful are . . .", then he could
> still be classified as lacking intelligence.  :-)

That's my typo, not Ryan's poor grammar; he did say "most."

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Better than Runs
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:54:26 GMT

In article <92272.091051IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>  Bunched runs are not worth _quite_ as much as single runs,
>because they _intrinsically_ tend to come in games you'll
>win anyway.  This is less important in the higher-scoring
>Apostatic League, but still an important effect.

I'm not sure I understand this statement.  Are you really saying that
scoring a single run in an inning is more valuable than scoring three runs
in the inning?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: hobbs@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Gerald R Hobbs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1904 world series, or lack thereof
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:42:59 GMT

|i've been continuing playing with my franklin baseball encyclopedia.  one
|of the features that it has is the result of all the world series.  so i
|go to the first world series, 1903, and it says, "RED SOX (AL) DEFEATED
|PIRATES (NL), 5-3".  i then hit the "next" key to bring it to 1904, and
|it says, "GIANTS (NL) REFUSED TO PLAY RED SOX (NL)".
|
|what's the scoop?

[A nice description of the events of 1903 and 1904 was already 
supplied based on Voight's Vol 1]
 
If you want chase this story down even more read "The Year They Called
Off the World Series" by Benton Stark. At better bookstores everywhere,
as they say. 
             Gerry
                   

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From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: AL Rookie of Year Award?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:02:09 GMT

In article <1afvtkINN8hk@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>   Milwaukee has led the AL in stolen bases 4 of the past 5 years, but this
>   year's team makes the others look like the '92 Red Sox in comparison. They
>   just never stop coming at you on the basepaths at any time.

I'd be curious to see how true this is.  It sounds more like to me that
the Brewers have been a baserunning team for some time, and it's just
more noticeable this year because they're actually hitting and pitching
and Cal Eldred.  But that doesn't mean the baserunning is what's winning
the games -- it's the hitting and pitching and Cal Eldred leveraging
the baserunning already there to a point where it can make a difference.

I'll be curious to see the first-to-third-on-a-single, opposition balk,
and other stats of the like for 1991 and this year if anyone has them.
Krueger's description is sounding more and more subjective.  I suspect,
without any evidence to back me up, that the Brewers aren't taking the
extra base any more *often* than they used to.  

>   Great pitching and defense has also played a huge part in Milwaukee's
>   unexpected success. But even the attitude has affected that. They are
>   always aggressive, in the field, on the mound or on the bases. And it
>   all started with the baserunning. It took a while for the defense and
>   pitching to come around. The running has been there all year. If they
>   don't have that attitude change, they're not much different than
>   unsuccessful Brewer teams of the past 5 or 6 years.

But if they've been at the top of the league in baserunning the last
five years, then they've been aggressive all along, haven't they?
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From: ben@cc.gatech.edu (Ben Cowan)
Subject: Dates/times for World Series games
Reply-To: ben@cc.gatech.edu (Ben Cowan)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:19:15 GMT

  I know that the locations for the WS are far from determined, but does
anybody know the dates for the WS games?  And have the times already been
determined or are they going to wait to see who wins each league first?

Thanx,
Ben...

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Sandberg v Thomas/Oakland Coliseum/Cubs
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:56:17 GMT

Front page of the Chi Tribune Sports section today was a column on
who the best player in Chicago was.  The paper decided Sandberg was
better than Thomas.  Though it admitted Thomas was better offensively,
it said that his 13 errors at first base this season kept the "title" on
the North Side in Ryno's hands.

This is ludicrous.  Let's take away Thomas's 13 errors, and, to make it
fair, we'll also take away thirteen of his hits.  Now you have a first
baseman who hasn't made an error all season, has the same batting average
as Sandberg, and is still in the league lead in OBP and in the top ten
in slugging.  And that's before park effects.

(I recognize that Sandberg's a 2B and Thomas is a 1B.  Not once did
the article mention it.  It very clearly specified Thomas's 13 errors
as the reason he wasn't as good as Sandberg.)
-----

A recent heavy metal concert at the Oakland Coliseum tore up the field
there when fans started throwing sod at each other.  Groundskeepers
said the field would be a little rough for the rest of the season, but
should be okay for the playoffs.

----

Miracle of miracles: The Tribune's report on the Cubs this week says
that, though Bell has hit 108 RBIs with the Sox, that is mostly because
of Thomas; they predicted he'd only hit 75 RBIs or so for the Cubs, given
that Dawson is hitting better than Bell but only has 85 RBIs.  Not only
that, but the paper admitted that having Sosa and Dunston healthy wouldn't
have made a difference.

-----

The White Sox are 54-36 in their last 90 games.  Of course, Oakland's
maintained the same percentage over 155 games, but Oakland won't be in
the race next year.  Minnesota could lose Puckett, which may or may not
be a blessing for them, but if the Sox get their act together, it could
be them and the Twins in the 1993 race.
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From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL ROY: More Fuel for Debate
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:06:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu):
>
>During these calculations, we both assumed that the replacement players will
>get the same number of PAs as the actual players.  However, what if that is
>not the case?  Certainly Bonds added to the number of plate appearances his
>team got by having such a high OBP, and Daulton also did this to a lesser
>extent.  

>So, if you replace them with average players, you lose PAs from both
>team totals and the average players' individual totals, no?  And what would
>be the effect of that?  

MLV takes this into account, through the effect the individual player has on
the team OBP.  Thus, Bonds's MLV includes the effect of other players besides
Bonds getting more plate appearances than they would have with a lesser-OBP
player in Bonds's place.  The new overall number of team plate appearances and
at-bats is calculated, with Bonds getting 1/9 of the new total.  Per-game
production divides this new total by 162.

>Can that effect compensate for the
>apparent discrepancies above?

It's in the right direction, but not as big an effect, which is why MLV and
RC/27 run-value estimates disagree.



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