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From: jstimson@jarthur.claremont.edu (John Stimson)
Subject: Re: Whatever Happened to Roger Waters & David Gilmour
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:25:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.151222.13050@gvl.unisys.com> garyp@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com 
(Gary Palangian) writes:>
>Dude,
>
>     It shocks me to hear somebody on the progressive board pass
>judgement without a listen. :-(
>
>     If you were a 'Wall' fan, you probably should pick up
>KAOS.  Listen... and decide for yourself.
>
>      I thought the music and the lyrics on KAOS were magical.  I was
>much more pleased with KAOS than with MLOR.  It was so very pleasant
>to have the diversity from track to track that I'd come to expect on
>Floyd albums and lost with Gilmour's homogenous attempt reviving the
>Floyd.
>
>      And the KAOS show was probably one of the best I'd ever seen.
>So much talent... Funky swings on prog favs... and Ladd droning
>away as annoyingly as ever.  Roger choreographing a performance as
>enlightening as The Wall.  The only thing that came close was the
>Animals tour.
>
>      Man... I feel so old.   Buy the album. 
>
>Gary

Dude!  

	The music and lyrics to KAOS were such pretentious-pop 
drivel that I sold the CD.  Last CD I sold was Phil Collins'
"No Jacket Required" to give you the idea of how bad something has to
be before I sell it.

	Momentary lapse was much better..."attempt at reviving the
old Floyd"?  Nah, seems more like a bunch of guys who have been calling
themselves Floyd for years doing the same kind of good music they've
been doing, even without their egotistical bassist.  (Very similar to
ABWH, except that in that case, the egotistical bassist owned the
rights to the name...Interesting that both bands used Tony Levin 
on bass!  If I remember right...)

	Didn't see the KAOS show.  Drat.

						John Stimson
						Harvey Mudd College
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dixie Dregs
Date: 26 Jul 92 07:34:47 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <13738@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

>When "The Introduction" came out I felt it was by far the best guitar album
>that year.  That lasted for a few years.  I'm going to have to listen to
>it again as it's been awhile but right now Marc Bonilla's "EE Ticket" has got
>it beat in my book for a guitar album...                                 agree

I'd tend to agree if the judgement were based only on mastery of rock
stylings, but I think Morse's strength lies in his mastery of many styles.
Both of these guys are creative dynamos, any way you look at it.

ptlk (ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: martino@encore.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Subject: Re: Seconds Out
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:36:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.000229.542@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>Has anyone else here heard the UK pressing of Seconds Out? Just recalled  
>how thrilled I was to hear that it ended differently than the US pressing.  
>On the UK one you get to hear a tape of Ethel Merman singing "There's No  
>Business Like Show Business" as the bad leaves the stage. Pretty cool! (At  
>least it was when I got the album new at the age of 16...).
>
>Gordon

I just got Seconds Out a few days ago right here in the U.S. and it has that
little Merman thing at the end if I remember correctly.  Did I get a UK
version somehow.

Rob


-- 
Rob Martino                          |     (clever or particularly funny
martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: e: What are best albums of Genesis?
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:38:52 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Brup0L.Ewq@acsu.buffalo.edu> v134pfzd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NADIR) writes:
|>> >> > >> >But me... I'm just a lawn mower
|>> >> > >> I can tell by the way you walk.
|>> >> > >It must be a draw...  there's no one left alive.
|>> >> > So the Blackcap Barons toss a coin to settle the score.
|>> >> The Pied Piper takes his children underground
|>> >Mild mannered supermen are held by kryptonite
|>> And the foolish virgins giggle with their bodies' glowing bright
|>Amongst the weeds and slimey waters

|we're gonna make it right - tonight, tonight, tonight   oh, oh

Case closed.

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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Seconds Out
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 542@metrosoft.com, gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>Has anyone else here heard the UK pressing of Seconds Out? Just recalled  
>how thrilled I was to hear that it ended differently than the US pressing.  
>On the UK one you get to hear a tape of Ethel Merman singing "There's No  
>Business Like Show Business" as the bad leaves the stage. Pretty cool! (At  
>least it was when I got the album new at the age of 16...).

Yes, I have that (but if you looki a my mailing address that's no surprrise)
so, tell me, how does the US release end...

---
Ian Coleman (ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk)  | "Eat healthily, exercise regularly,
BTL, Martlesham Heath, England  |  you may not live longer, but it'll 
Europe, Earth, Sol, Milky Way...|  certainly feel like it"
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From: lad9452@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Van der Graaf Generator / Peter Hammill
Reply-To: lad9452@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:08:14 GMT

I've been a huge fan of VDGG and pH for years, but I always sense I'm missing
something from my collection.  There are so many releases- does anyone
out there have a complete discography?

Thanks.  Please post or mail.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.newage
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Jon and ... Kitaro! 
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:35:32 GMT


Pardon me if this is old news to everyone, but I was just reading the
entertainment section of the newspaper and it referenced an upcoming
release from Kitaro due out this week.  Now, normally, I'm not very
interested in new material from Kitaro.  As I always say: "why buy all
of Kitaro's albums when you only need one?"  (No flames from Kitaro fans,
please.)

However, this blurb caught my eye because it mentioned that Kitaro would
be doing something new this time around.  Namely, including vocal
tracks.  These vocals are to be supplied by none other than Jon
Anderson.  The article listed him as contributing to four tracks, one of
which is merely Jon "chanting", whatever that means.  

The album (CD) is called "Dreams", but I don't know what the
actual date of release is.
-- 
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Gary Schroeder		
schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov 
Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Buying directly from the artist (was Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s)
Keywords: Progressive
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:13:54 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <d2L.022E1bL001@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>In article <y!mmdg#.ranjit@netcom.com> ranjit@netcom.com (Ranjit Padmanabhan) writes:
>
>>I probably have an agenda here, but, if it weren't for the many independent
>>mail-order companies who spent money and time distributing and spreading the
>>word about Djam Karet's music, it is very unlikely that they would get the
>>coverage that they now enjoy. So, before you grudge the "middlemen" their,
>>often minimal, cut, it would help to have a broader understanding of the
>>dynamics of the music business.
>
>I couldn't agree with this more. How could any band doing an independent
>production (and Djam K. is an excellent example) get any coverage outside
>of their local area without these independent mail-order people.
>
>Furthermore, It gripes me when people want to borrow this stuff and make
>a cassette copy of it, yet they'll zoom to the store and purchase the new
>stuff by ELP, Rush, Genesis, Yes, whoever. Hey...it's the independent
>bands that need your support, not the dinosaurs that have already been
>selling zillions of records for years. If you're on a budget, then
>tape the dinosaurs, and spend your money on the new independent bands
>that desperately need your support.
>Taking Djam Karet as an example: Your purchase of their current product
>will go far to insure that they will have enough money to produce future
>product, and thus insure survival of the progressive genre. Think about it
>
>ptlk


Do you have any sources to contact to purchase said CDs. (Such as Djam Karet)
I have no real prog. source.  I just have to luck out at the stores in the
area, or wait until I get sent overseas on business.  I used to buy from 
..ahem... Progressive Records, before they croaked..  
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis: What everybody misses
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:53:55 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bs260x.75M@me.utoronto.ca> steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:

>I believe a new Gabriel album is in the works for Fall release.  If the
>past is any indication, it will be quite different than anything previously
>released, although I expect more Womad influence.  BTW, if you liked
>_Passion_, check out the Womad sampler CD's, especially the music of Asia
>collection.              -----------------

Whoa !What are these ? You don't mean "Musicand Rhythm - A benefit for
a World of Music, Arts and Dance" has FINALLY been released on CD...
Or is this something else ?


ptlk (ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com)
From: papianni@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Mark Papianni)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP Video
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:11:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
 

>Does anybody have a decent copy of ELP performing at California Jam? I  
>have the same REALLY bad copy (that contains the ending of Pictures and an  
>excerpt from Toccata) that's been floating around for some time. At least  
>it contains the flying piano...

A friend of mine gave me a Christmas present with the same California Jam
stuff that you already have plus a ELP documentary that is nearly an hour 
long (I remember seeing excerpts on "The Midnight Special" around 1974).
I also have the entire "Pictures at an Exhibition" from 1971.  This was
the same as in the Film "Rock and Roll Your Eyes" which ELP had released 
in theatres in the '70's.  As for the rest of California Jam...I've been
looking for years.  
                  MARK 
                      (Hi, Annie!)

>-- 
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: U.Zero (was: Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s)
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:47:47 GMT

I too got sucked in by the positive reviews of Univers Zero and picked up Uzed. I'm sorry people but this is not progresive rock and any resemblance to King Crimson is non-existent ! I'm still debating whether to pick up a Magma CD after the Uzed debacle. Won't it be nice once digitized sound becomes standard on workstations and people can post snippets of prog bands for people to hear so that they don't blow $20 for a couple of guys noodling around in the studio !


Shiv
From: jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Hackett
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:35:02 GMT
Reply-To: jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Re: Hackett....


>>2. "Please Don't Touch"  (Hackett's second, (p) 77) -

This album is eclectic in style, but I find it enjoyable nonetheless.
I particularly enjoy the songs with Steve Walsh on vocals, as well as
the bizzare "Carrying On Up The Vicarage."  A lot of fun there.



>>3 "Spectral Morning" (third, (p) 78) -

>..............The "Lame" attempt to make a percussion based instrumental
>piece...I believe you're speaking of "Clocks: The Angel of Mons", one of
>Steve's most powerful instrumentals...is classic Hackett in his finest
>hour. And there are other great tunes on this album as well,including
>"Tigermoth", "Red Flower of Tachai" and the STUNNING title track.

Agree!  This is a very good album!




>................................................. I'd recommend starting
>with "SpectralMornings"or maybe "Defector"

Yup.



>His weakest album is IMO "Till We Have Faces"; although he DOES cover new
>ground in that album(like the blues number "Let me count the ways"),
>overall -as an album- it just doesn't stand up that well

Yes.  Very disappointing.



Also, I think Hackett's contributions to Genesis were underrated.  His 
use of ethereal guitar/synth sounds really make songs like "Fountain 
of the Salmacis" and "Firth of Fifth" (correct names?--I listen to them
all the time; never look at the titles... :-)  Even though I think "And
Then There Were Three..." managed to come off well in spite of Hackett's
absence, his influence was sorely missed on subsequent Genesis efforts.



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From: sh@cypress.com (Steve Haigh/VDSP)
Subject: Re: seattle
Originator: sh@kahuna
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor/San Jose, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:47:48 GMT

>     Actually, they have an old saying in Seattle, one which is passed on
> from generation to generation.  Fathers tell it to their sons and grandfathers
> tell it to their grandsons.  The saying goes like this:
> 
>     FUCK! ITS STILL RAINING!

They have another:

Q. What do you call the day after 2 days of rain in Seattle.

A. Monday.

Steve.

P.S. I have counted 5 tunes on Empire (Queensryche) which reference the
weather. Coincidence... I think not!.

Steve.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Dixie Dregs
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:27:18 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Jul20.070104.20400@fhg1.fhg.de> weikl@ilt.fhg.de writes:
|
|>I was wondering if anyone could recomend any of the Dixie Dregs' albums?
|> 
|>                                      Scott McDonough
|>                                      (Pretty short post, huh?)
|
|Any - especially "Dregs of the Earth" (sigh, finally someone is mentioning 
|marvellous Steve Morse; did you hear his cd "Southern Steel"? - increadible).
 
Not nearly as incredible as "The Introduction" or even "High Tension Wires".

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Will the real Genesis please stand up? 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:35:59 GMT

ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger) writes:
>Ok - NOW. For those of you who feel that Gabriel, in a sense, took
>Genesis with him when he left (Eber, Roy, et. al.). Just out of
>curiosity, what was the first Genesis album you heard/enjoyed?
>I'm wondering if there is a correlation between the era in which
>people first found Genesis, and their opinion as to which
>incarnation is the "real" Genesis.
>
>Jim

The first Genesis album I bought was _Abacab_, which I still enjoy.
However, I feel that there are two groups called Genesis; the pre- and
post-Peter...with occasional crossover of the post- back into the pre-.
Although Peter didn't kill the group when he left, he certainly wounded
it, and Steve's departure hastened the demise into wretched stardom.

My favorite Genesis albums:

1) _The Lamb..._
2) _Trespass_
3) _Selling England..._
4) _A Trick of the Tail_
5) _Nursery Cryme_
6) _Duke_
7) _Foxtrot_
8) _Abacab_
9) _And Then..._
10) _Genesis_
and by this point things are getting painful to think about.
(I wasn't considering live albums, of which _Seconds Out_ is by far
my favorite).

***GlittoFern*** glitto@iastate.edu
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From: young@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Who is 'Progressive' in the 90s
Reply-To: young@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:44:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.191411.9920@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott 
McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Tori Amos.

Although I do love Tori's material, I find it hard to classify her as
progressive in the sense that is common to this newsgroup.  The title cut off
*Little Earthquakes* is about the most progressive item here; indeed it reminds
me a bit of Queen's "The Prophet Song" in its development (I do consider Queen
a progressive band, BTW).   But most of the rest seems stylistically lodged
between Elton John's *Tumbleweed Connection* and Kate Bush's *The Kick Inside*,
neither of which are really progressive.

BTW, I did consider Kate to be a progressive rocker for a while in the early
80's.  *Never for Ever* is an exceptional progressive album.  Nowadays, though,
she seems to be trying too hard for success on American alternative radio. 
Witness her absurdly synthed-out "Rocket Man".  Progressive, not.

Anyway, back to the original question.  How about...Danielle Dax?

-Bruce
From: Ryan.J.Victor@dartmouth.edu (Ryan J. Victor)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Genesis: What everybody misses
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:30:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I can't believe the debate that has swept this network! And so
one-sided! Genesis this and Genesis that; old and new; good and
garbage; Gabriel and Collins. Relax, most of you have got it all wrong.


When Genesis first started they wanted to be a song writing collective;
they didn't even want to play their stuff, just sell it to bands.
However, instead they became the intensely exciting band that they are
to this day. What most don't realize is that since the beginning,
nothing has changed except personnel and their writing methods. Genesis
has always written for its current audience. In the seventies, they
were the cutting edge with their incredibly complex, layered sound and
their oh so British flair for the fantastic. But as times changed, so
their music evolved. This is why they are the sole progressive rock
band to survive the punk era, escaping the label of being antiquated by
becoming leaner to suit the times. 

In other words, Genesis music is the same as it ever was: contemporary
with generous helping of their own special touch-- an invisible one,
perhaps. Any Genesis album whether it be "From Genesis to Revelation"
or "We Can't Dance" is uniquely Genesis: it simply doesn't sound
remotely like anyone else. Besides, every album they've ever done has
songs that are really ballsy live. The Genesis intensity always has
been and always will be there in their music. If you don't like
anything past Gabriel's stuff, I suggest you re-listen to it and think
about the possibility that your musical tastes haven't evolved. By the
way, there's nothing wrong in not liking the music; but just don't call
it garbage. 

"And God, He's writing the lyrics to a brand new tune"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Achim Reichel... info?
From: ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:47:48 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

David L. Thomas <DTHOMAS@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:


>And who exactly is he??  I guess he is German, but of that I'm not even sure.

Yes, he's German. In the late sixties/early seventies, he used to be the
lead singer of the Rattles, who were sometimes called the German Beatles
(did them more harm than good, to be sure). After they split up, he went
solo, trying out several different styles with varying success. The
only album I have is 'Regenballade', where he set well - known German
poems to music. Quite good, especially the title song on a wet and
windy autumn day :-)
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
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From: marshall@fs03.webo.dg.com (Marshall Wood)
Subject: Re: Flying pianos/Drum clinic ELP
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:14:19 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <1992Jul28.002951.7577@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|> The ELP video mentioned in the Dark Moon CD liner notes is supposed to
|> be released in September. No word on the Flying Piano or anything like
|> that. ELP was recently on the ABC series "In Concert" and it showed them
|> for quite a bit of the show, about 50% of the hour.

The video biography mentioned in the _Black Moon_ CD will not be out
in September.  This according to ELP during the second of their 2
Rockline interviews.  They decided that they want to include concert
footage from the current tour, so the video probably won't get released
until late in the fall.

				--MWood
From: lallemen@pelletier.loria.fr (Yannick Lallement)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Keats wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:33:14 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: INRIA-Lorraine / CRIN - Nancy - France



Does anybody knows where (and how ) can be found the Keats album,
which as been described by Marshall Wood :


                   Title : Keats
                  Artist : Keats

         Catalog Numbers :
                      LP : ST-17136

                Released : 1984
                   Label : EMI
                Producer : Alan Parsons
               Engineers : Alan Parsons and Tony Richards
        Music and Lyrics : Pete Bardens [tracks 1,3,6,7]
                           Colin Blunstone and Stuart Elliot [tracks 2, 10]
                           David Paton  [tracks 4,5]
                           Ian Bairnson [tracks 8,9]
        Musicians :
                           Pete Bardens
                           Ian Bairnson
                           David Paton
                           Stuart Elliot

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Thanks for any idea (tape, anything...)
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