HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1993Jan8.232030.9754@netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:40:32 GMT

	Well, let's insert something into this thread:

	Prior to Shabbos, I got a chance to speak to a military rabbi I
know; I had spoken to him on a previous occasion about the Felds and the
circumstances surrounding their arrest.  It turns out that the Feld out
on bail, R'Avram I believe, is staying with the rabbi's father who lives
in Palo Alto.  The Felds and the rabbi's family (who will remain
nameless at this time by his own request; he can't handle you all
calling him any more than R'Levin can) have been friends for 10 years or
more.

	Okay.  A summary: The Felds were arrested in a routine stop by
police when they were seen outside of a Safeway removing items from
their coats and placing them in the trunk of a rental car.  Searching
the trunk turned up a diagram of the Wasserman home (we were not able to
determine where the rumor about a "map pointing out the locations of
guns" has come from) and a key to the home.  After interviewing the
Wassermans police charged the Felds with conspiracy to commit robbery,
burglary, and murder.

	The knives are kitchen knives.  Hell, even *I* carry knives when
I travel.

	The "ski masks" are pullover caps that have a neck/chim warmer
attached; my father used to wear one when we went hiking in a Catskill
winter, and the rabbi claims that the Felds have always worn such caps.

	The "handcuffs" are plastic pull-ties that have a variety of
uses, from closing garbage bags to handcuffing suspects during riot
control.  The rabbi has stated that he once brought several packages of
such ties with him on a trip to Israel since they're cheaper here.

	Mossad Maccabee is a volunteer group to help disadvantaged kids,
of which R'Feld is a member.  When interviewed by police, he told them
he was with Mossad Maccabee, which they assumed to be a "special
commando unit" of THE Mossad, which served to reinforce the arresting
officer's suspicions.

	I cannot provide the rabbi's name, number or other information;
he's a working chaplain, and does  not have time to field questions from
the net.  However, I am willing to run interference; EMAIL me any
questions, which I will digest, forward to the chaplain, and post his
responses. 

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Within limits, of course.  I can only type 40 wpm, after all.  ;)"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:58:13 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan9.053319.2332@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mswihart@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart) writes:
>
>Does this mean a Jew could even believe that there is no G-d, yet
>still be a Jew? If this is so, why is it that one
>sometimes sees the idea that a Jew that is an X is not a Jew? 

Well, I've always been curious myself how it is exactly that a
Jew could say that he/she didn't believe in God, yet use
Biblical claims to support their belief in the state of Israel?

And what about Zionism - a secular philosophy using such a strong
religious association?

Admittedly confused ...

Anisa
	"For a person who takes a stop, in the pursuit
	of truth and righteousness, all that happens
	is good."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Can mohels circumcize non-Jews?
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:06:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.201220.29371@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>As the subject line asks, is it Halachicly permitted for a
>Mohel to circumcize a non-jewish baby (if the parents want the
>boy circumcized for non-religious reasons, but think the mohel would
>do the best job)?  If not actually forbidden, is it contrary to
>tradition?  Obviously, it can be done for purposes of a conversion,
>but otherwise?
>

I know of mohelim who do this.  The British royal family used to
have a mohel perform the circumcision but I've heard that the
current generation did not.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:07:07 GMT

godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

>In my view the Germans forfeited their right to their country (a homeland, if
>you like) by their actions during the first and second WW's, particularly the
>latter.  As I have said before, it was a mistake to allow the German nation
>to continue after WW2 and a mistake to allow the recent reunification.  I can
>only hope that after the next example of the Germans' attempts to subject the
>rest of the world to what they see as their superiority (inevitable in my
>view) that the same mistake will not be made once again.

>Laurence

You say such *interesting* things around the full of the moon!

Lenore Levine
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish orgs online addresses?
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:50:37 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1473600020@igc.apc.org>, Dan Yurman <dyurman@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
> Does anyone know anything about a Jewish Global Information
> Network Project?  Alternatively, is there a directory of Jewish
> organizations online?  We are somewhat isolated up here in Idaho
> and email helps a lot.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Yurman            | dyurman@igc.apc.org | Chance favors only
> PO Box 1569           | MCI Mail: 364-1277  | the prepared mind.
> Idaho Falls, ID 83403 | 43N28 112W02 -7 GMT | -- Louis Pasteur
>
>


To join the discussion group on the Global Jewish Network Information Project,
send email to:

listserv@bguvm.bgu.ac.il
SUB JEWISHNT your first name  your last name

You can also contact the listserv owner (Dr. Dov Viner) by email at:
viner@bguvm.bgu.ac.il

This and *many* other items of Jewish interest are archived on
israel.nysernet.org where files can be retrieved by ftp. Likewise, if you have
a gopher, you can read these files.


Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Date: 5 Jan 1993 02:22:57 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

I'm under the impression that if your house is sold to a Jew, you need not
leave up *all* your mezuzot but should certainly leave at least one, preferably
the one by the front door.  I know I've read this but couldn't tell you
where--if anyone can comment on whether it's true, I'd be interested in 
knowing more specifically.  Since I live in a small apartment with relatively
few mezuzot, most of them are gifts from friends or have some other sentimental
value.)

			. . .Alexandra

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:16:41 GMT

>Are the Kosher laws cumulative?  For example, if I eat a ham and
>cheese sandwich am I violating BOTH the law against eating ham AND the
>law against eating meat with milk, or does the fact that pork is treif
>mean that it doesn't count as meat for the purpose of the prohibition
>of meat with milk?
>
>If, in fact, there is a violation of both laws, what is the effect of
>that?  Is the appropriate punishment greater for the double violation
>than for the single one?
>
>Thanks for any info on this.
>
>/JK
JK, if in fact you know it is a violation of Laws of Kasruth, why worry
about how many laws you are breaking. You are trying to equate man's laws
with Hashem's laws.  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:16:25 GMT

On 4 Jan 93 03:54:08 GMT, ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) said:

T> In article godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

T> [LAUR] I am disappointed that no-one has responded to my enthusiastic appeal
T> [LAUR] for members of "Jews for Germans", as organisation of Jews who, like me,
T> [LAUR] think that Germans are the most inspiring and wonderful people on earth.

T> [LAUR] regards Laurence

T> I think you need a brain transplant ...

T> Tsiel

	I think it's one of the best pieces of satire to grace this
group in awhile.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Amazing."
From: sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Eruv
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:42:39 GMT
Reply-To: sg04@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Inc.

Well, for the first time in my life I live in a communitity that has
has an eruv. 18 or so years after its inception, Boston has an eruv. It
is reported to be the largest one in the US. It covers almost all of
Brookline, Brighton, and Newton (rt 9, to the Mass-Pike, from Kenmore
Square to about route 128). It is a huge area that includes several
large reservoirs and lakes (I believe they are excluded).

When instigated, I believe the planners felt that this would stem the
decline of Jewish Boston. Since then, Boston certainly has declined.
Maybe this will change things, but I seriously doubt it. Boston has
some much more severe problems. And I think that putting one's efforts
into an eruv sort of "skirts the heart of the matter" :-).


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:58:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.030517.28193@Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Solomon Weinstein) writes:
>bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>>
>>   I have spoken to many of my Christian friends about this 'Jews
>>for Jesus' crap.  Many of them are completely puzzled by the fad.
>>They wonder why these folks can't deal with being Christians.  As
>>Christians, they wondered if these folks are somehow ashamed of a
>>label like Christians.  A few of them were outright offended at a
>>person who believes in Jesus as the Messiah, but is ashamed to be
>>called 'Christian.'
>Could somebody summarize the philosophy of Jews for Jesus? I've always
>wondered about them, but I've never really felt like stopping to chat
>with the folks who hand out their literature on streetcorners.
>


They believe that the best way to get Jews to convert to xianity
is to pretend to be Jewish and to misquote and mistranslate the
TaNaCh to make it seem as if xianity was originally foreshadowed
by the Torah.  They say that the Rabbis (who are the conspiracy
theory type demons of their theology) attempted to stop the
budding xian movement by performing a massive reedit job on the
entire Torah in order to deny the xian claims.  There are a
number of conuter-missionary books out such as _The Real
Messiah?_ by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan Z"L which give more details.
Jews for Judaism is an excellent source for information.

The following is an old list and the regional phone numbers may
not be up to date.

Main Office:  P.O. Box 15059 ; Baltimore, MD  21208
Baltimore     Telephone (410)602-0276

Los Angeles: (213) 854-3381
New York:    (718) 692-2668
New Jersey:  (201) 833-8716
Harrisburg:  (717) 233-JEWS (5397)
Detroit:     (313) 968-JEWS (5397)
Toronto:     (416) 789-2851

-- 
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| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: davis@passy.ilog.fr (Harley Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:45:23 GMT
	<1993Jan7.135059.24267@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of 7 Jan 93 13:50:59 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.135059.24267@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) writes:

   > >>Barry Manilow
   > >>Barbra Streisand
   > >>Neil Diamond
   > >>Danny Elfman (drummer, Oingo Boingo)
   > >>Adam Horowitz (Beastie Boys)
   > >>Adam Yauch (Beastie Boys)
   > >>Michael Diamond (Beastie Boys)
   > >>Susanna Hoffs (lead singer, Bangles)
   > >>Michael Steele (bassist, Bangles)
   > >>Bob Dylan
   > >>Geddy Lee (lead singer/bassist, Rush)
   > >>David Lee Roth
   > >	Paul Stanley (guitarist/vocalist, KISS)
   > >	Gene Simmons (bassist/vocalist, KISS)
   > >>Eric Bloom (Blue Oyster Cult)
   > >>Hillel Slovak (original guitarist for the Red Hot Chili Peppers until he OD'ed)
   > 
   > Kinky Friedman (of "They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus, Anymore" fame)

   Leslie West  (nee Weinstein)(Mountain)

Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits)

-- Harley Davis (not a rock star)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:47:01 GMT

In article <4846@moscom.com> de@moscom.com (David Esan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.145850.7394@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lise@kepler.cc.bellcore.com (romanov,elizabeth) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.220442.154@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>>Nursing women do not resume menstruation immediately, often not until after
>>they have weaned the baby.  Even if a woman is not lactating, her cycle 
>>doesn't even out for a while.

>Some nursing women may not menstruate, but this is definately not a rule.
>Women who consider themselves safe from conception during nursing quite often
>find themselves with what are often called "Irish Twins", that is two children
>born 10 months apart.
>
>Forgive my laughter at the beginning of my response, but this old chestnut is
>has been around a long time, and there is much evidence that it is false.

What "old chestnut"?  I think you've misread the posting.  No one
claimed that a nursing woman cannot conceive.  The only statements that
were made was the nursing women do not resume menstruation
*immediately*, and that their cycles may be irregular.  Both of those
statements are true for most women.  The ability to conceive was not
under discussion, unless I missed something in an earlier posting (if
so, I apologize).

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:15:51 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <PINKAS.93Jan5174228@skywalker.intel.com> pinkas@skywalker.intel.com (Israel Pinkas) writes:
>strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>As for not returning phone calls, the office was deluged with phone calls
>and still gets over 10 calls/day.  Answering these calls takes time and
>money that nobody has.  The Chabad office is staffed by a 3/4 time
>secretary and by Rabbi Levin.  Rabbi Levin has other responsibilities, and
>is very overwhelmed in general.  The office is operating at a loss, and
>returning calls would cost hundreds of dollars.

The point that I have made in a number of private messages about this
issue is that one simple statement for this newsgroup and whatever
other electronic distribution has been involved in this matter will
save answering dozens of phone calls. It is hard to understand
why Rabbi Levin would not want to cooperate with such a process.


-- 
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		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:25038 soc.culture.german:9740
From: ruman@meroot.eng.uci.edu (ruman)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Organization: for socha
Date: 12 Jan 93 08:48:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.german, soc.culture.indian

In article with message-id<1iq1q4INNq31@slab.mtholyoke.edu>,  jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) posts:
:>
:>Nobody is arguing that... what I'm arguing is that in every single
:>one of the dozens of genocides committed in this century by dozens
:>of ethnic groups against dozens of other ethnic groups you saw that
:>exact same thing, and if you don't believe that, then pack your
:                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>suitcases and go to Sarajevo or India RIGHT NOW, TODAY, and you'll
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:>see the same thing happening again.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This statement is incorrect. There is no genocide going on in India.
There is RIOTING as occurred in LA and elsewhere. Please do
not use the word 'genocide' loosely. You are doing a disservice to
racial, political  and cultural groups which have been victims of genocide.

:>
:>-- 
:>Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
:>Northampton, MA, USA

ruman

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:24615 soc.culture.arabic:6267 talk.politics.mideast:24801
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:50:41 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan5.231840.28683@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>
>No, my great-grandparents never saw this land, never lived in it and
>never dreamed of it.  Much like so many of the Palestineans never had
>ancestors in what is now Israel though they are now claiming
>"homeland" status there. 

?????  Mazel tov ya Yaaqoob ... you've undoubtedly outdone yourself
this time.

>Unlike the Palestineans, though, I do not run around killing Indians,
>nor do I make the ludicrous claim that Indians on Reservations are
>"stealing my homeland" nor that their homes on Reservations are "the
>greatest obstacle to Peace in North America."

And the best policy is always to pretend like the Indians never
existed and had no legitimacy thereof!

>Are you now trying to deny that Hamas has always called for the
>destruction of any official Jewish presence in the Middle East?  
>If you want to prove the obvious in court, this can be done.   

In which court, Jake?  The same one that convicted without trial?

On the other hand, will you now try to deny that Israel has always
called for the destruction of any official Palestinian opposition?

What is good occupation without resistance anyway?
 
Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:36:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.231125.17773@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>
>Let us examine the Purity Laws.  They proscribe physical contact
>between husband and wife for two weeks of every four.  The no-touch
>period is Days 28 to 12 of the menstrual cycle.  The most fertile
>point is Days 14 to 16, and sperm are volatile for 48 hours.  I

I think you mean "viable".  (Though considering some of the hot-heads
who post here, maybe not.)

>contend the purpose of this law is twofold
>[...]

There are other reasons given for the laws of Nidah.  The most
compelling I've heard is that it ensures that the woman maintains an
independent identity; that it reminds the husband that his wife is an
individual with her own relationship to God, and not the husband's
property or plaything.  Three thousand years ago, many women did not
enjoy this kind of protection.  Many still don't.  Jewish women do.

I'm not trying to support the O treatment of women (I agree more than
disagree with you), just pointing out that, as Daniel F. said, there are
many different ways of looking at things.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: FBI Report on 1991 Hate Crimes
Organization: JPL, Space Imaging Radar Software Group
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:50:51 GMT


(redirected from soc.motss into alt.politics.homosexual)


In article <73057@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com tries again:


>On the FBI Hate crimes report, here's the % breakdown by race and group
|>
|>It's interesting that Jews as 2% of the population reported 20% of
|>cases which makes them 10X their population, where gays are only 10%
|>of such incidences. If gays are 10% of the population, that would make
|>gays no more likely to report hate crimes than the average citizen. On
|>the other hand, if gays are 5X, that would put the gay population at only
|>2% of the population, and if they were the same as Jews at 10X, then
|>they would only be 1% of the population. Yet another data point to shoot
|>down the mythical 10% figure which is a mis-interpretation of a faulty
|>1940's study when most scientific surveys point to 2-3%.

Your whole analysis is flawed.  You assume that all hate crimes that occur
are reported.  In many parts of the country, police are not too sympathetic
towards gays.  Reporting a bashing may cause more trouble.  

In addition, what difference does it really make on what percentage of
the population is gay ?  Does a minority of 10% deserve more civil rights
than a minority of 2% ?

--
Tim Fogarty
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1, STS-59
FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV