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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Pedigree Dog Stuff
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:28:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.011624.3560@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Julieann Fitchwell) writes:
>Some of you were looking for pet supply catalogs a little while ago. Here's the
>address and number of one of my favorites - Pedigrees.
>
>                          Pedigrees - The Pet Catalog
>                          1989 Transit Way
>                          Box 905
>                          Brockport, NY 14420-0905 
>                          (716) 637-1431

This is the R.C. Steele Sporting Dog Store.  They must have different
catalogs for different market segments.  Excellent store.  There's also
a toll-free number: 1-800-872-3773.  I have a purely selfish reason for
passing this info around...I live close enough to drive to the store and
I want them to stay in business :-)  Kelsey likes it, too; she gets to
pick out her own toys!

Robbin
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SETTING UP FOR A FINISH)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: HELP me choose a dog breed, please !
Date: 21 Nov 92 11:20:43 EST

In article <1992Nov20.192508.13330@hou.amoco.com>, zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey) writes:
> My fiance and I are starting to look for a dog as her childhood dog died	
> a while back and she feels lost without a dog. What we want is a medium-sized
> dog big enough to be a decent watchdog, good with kids, minimal shedding and odor
> as we like to keep the dog in the house and train it to go outside. We have a 
> house with a big yard and we are both fairly active (we are 24 & 25), so exercise 
> won't be a problem. What we have considered is Keeshond, Siberian Husky,
> and Alaskan Malamute.
> 
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

My guess is that you don't want a husky, malamute, or kees.  While all 3 of
these breeds are absolutely beautiful, the only requirement 2 of them meet
is medium size, and all three of them are good with kids.  None of them 
will be good watchdogs, they are all fairly independent breeds, and prone 
to wanderlust.  AND they all SHED  a lot!!!!

There are other things that you need to think about like whether you want the
dog to be yours or whether you want to be owned by it!  Do you want a dog that
will die to be with you or would you prefer one that's rather aloof?  What
you should do is write down a description of what you think this dog that you
want will be like, and then we can give you some more ideas. 

Just off hand, sounds like you might want a lab or a standard poodle, but
they are two different kinds of dogs.

Think about it - and remember a dog is for keeps!

Good luck,
Kim
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog had kidney failure, is better but won't eat!
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:03:49 GMT

First of all, let me say that I entirely disagree with the poster who says it is
better to let the dog die (or put it down).  I am not against euthanasia when
the cause appears hopeless, but in your case it sounds like your dog is getting
better.

Usually a dog refuses food because it is either too weak to eat or for some
reason, nothing is really palatable (people get this too, BTW.  Have you ever
been really sick and didn't feel like eatting?).  Here are my suggestions:

1.  Cottage cheese  (a "miracle" food)  very few dogs will turn up cottage cheese.
2.  Liver (another old standby)
3.  Adult Ebsilac (sp?)  This is a high calorie formula for sick, pregnant or
 highly stressed dogs.  You can get it through mail order (RC Steele) or maybe
through Petsmart or Pet Foods Plus (or a pet supply store like that).
4.  I just recently bought a high caloric suppliment called Nutri-cal for one
of my Huskies that won't eat.  She gives it two paws up on palatibility.  I 
bought that at Pets Mart.  It comes in a tube.
5.  Corn or Karo syrup.  Mix this with water and give it to your dog with the
turkey baster.

There are also several types of appetite stimulators on the market.  My vet
recommended something with B vitamins like Brewers Yeast, but I would check
with your vet first before trying that.

Good luck!!

Sky Warrior
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:21:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24226
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Marla Belzowski writes:
>>> The significant part is that you correct him for the down

>>Incorrect.  The significant (causal) part is his previous history.
>>It adds an incompatible behavior to his repertoire.

>>If down is not in his repertoire or it's not incompatible with
>>barking, "correct" all you want; at best you'll punish barking.


>Humm, I'm lost in this discussion.  I take it that you
>are trying to modify the unwanted behavior of barking, to
>an acceptable behavior like lying down.

No, I want my dog to bark; it is acceptable behavior.  I just don't
want it to continue at that time.

The down just gives him another responsibility.

I work at home (marvels of telecommuting), so Susie comes around a lot
to poke me in the elbow with her nose, and usually I can take time out
and we go do something.  Sometimes I need to keep working, so I give
her a down to do, for which I can praise her a half hour later when I'm
free.

You're not teaching that barking is wrong, any more than I want to teach
that poking in the elbow is wrong; you're just giving the dog something
else to do, that he wants to do right.

I'm not speaking for the original poster's desires about barking of course.

(One night a raccoon knocked the lid off the garbage pail - you'll never
see a more excited response from a sleeping Doberman! - and Susie lept
from the bed and ran to the downstairs window where she could bark
properly at the critter.  I didn't really want her to bark more, so
I said ``Susie, down'' at a distance of several rooms and a flight of
stairs.  I heard a thump as she hit the floor, and all was quiet.
After a bit, I told her ``ok'' and she came back up to bed)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Old Shoes = Nutrition??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:40:16 GMT

mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) writes:

>First, let me say that there ARE trash dog foods out there and that not all
>dog foods are the same.  However, those dog foods that are sold as "Complete
>and Nutritionally Balanced" are generally suitable for dogs.   

Yes, I am aware of this.  Also, when buying dog food you should look for the 
label that says the food has been tested in accordance with AAFCO rather than
the NRC, because the AAFCO requires testing of the product on live dogs while
the NRC is only a nutrient breakdown "on paper" and doesnt mean that the
products ingredients are actually digested by the pet.

I only posted the article as a HUMOUROUS note...not to say that I believe
that only organ meats are good for dogs.  I realize that this is not true
but did not want to launch off on a tirade about nutrition.


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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Gaseous GSD...
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:09:22 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <BxvpHH.AuI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () writes:
>
>In article <1ebeokINNhr3@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
>vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
>
>|> One thing to try for gulping is to put several large (3-4") clean rocks
>|> in the dog's dish.  Then they have to sort of hunt for the food bits, 
>|> and it's harder to just inhale.....

>Cool idea, but what do you do if your doggie likes to pick up rocks and
>chew on them and try to swallow them???

Pick up his dish as soon as he's done eating??










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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:13:48 GMT

In article <9211151200.AA2066@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org>
ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes: 
>  Sorry but it really sounds like your dog has lost it's will to live.
> She just had a total renal shutdown!  this dog know it is seriously 
>ill.  Did you think if you had her on IV for a couple of days, her 
>kidneys would suddenly be well?  I'm afraid all you can do at this 
>point is run up a vet bill, and end up with a dead dog anyway.  Your 
>dog doesn't Want to live.  Nothing you do can instill a desire to 
>live. 
>--- FMail 0.92 
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544
(1:202/703)

AND THEN...

In article <9211151200.AA2067@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  Your old dog sounds very sick.  It's probably cancer.  Maybe
>advanced liver disease.  You can consider putting the dog down,
>although it doesn't sound like he is going to live much longer on his
>own.
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)

OKAY, this is enough of this shit.  I vented my spleen at your "genetic
deformity called hip displasia (sic)" post about "German Shepard (sic)"
dogs, but did not post it because I didn't want to waste the bandwidth.
So our office has taken the opportunity to laugh hysterically at your
STUPID posts.  But a few of these (including this) are downright CRUEL
and I have to tell you to get a brain, get a life, and get the *&$% out
of this group.
 
Can someone tell me how to put a poster (vs. a subject) in a KILL file?
It really makes me sick to read this stuff.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Gaseous GSD...
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:18:26 GMT



re: GSD puppy that eats rocks

Kay, 

Alot of GSD puppies seem to go through a stage of eating rocks.
It drove us crazy when Bronte was a pup. Be as vigilant as possible.
You can try to tell Siegfried "No", but make sure you have something
more tantalizing than a rock to give immediately - perhaps a stick,
rawhide or cow hoof. For most pups this stage only last a couple
of weeks. Once they start teething, rocks are so much fun any more. 
:-)


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From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:10:18 GMT
Subject: Canine Companions for Independence
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Attention to Bay Area, Calif. dog lovers,

Canine Companions for Independence (CCI) is an organization headquartered in
Santa Rosa that breeds and trains dogs to assist disabled persons.  About every
three months they hold graduation ceremonies for the service dogs and their new
(disabled) owners who have finished learning how to work as a team with these
dogs. 

This Saturday, NOv. 21st, a graduation ceremony is being held at the
Officer's Club in the Presidio (San Francisco).  Starts at 1:00.  The public
is welcome.  Get there early, it always fills up.  Bring Kleenex, it is
usually inspiring and emotional.

For the rest of you, CCI also has locations in Ohio, Florida, and San Diego.
I am a volunteer puppy raiser for CCI, which means I raise a dog for them
until he is about a year and a half old, and then I return him to them so he
can go through 6 months of professional advanced training.  It's fun fun fun.
You get to take your CCI puppy into restaurants, stores, everywhere.  He even
comes to work with me every day at Hewlett Packard.  Please e-mail me if you
are interested in info about CCI or becoming a puppy raiser.  

Thanks all,
Diane B.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Dow Jones has border collies
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:36:29 GMT

Last week I took a four day class at the Dow Jones Training Center in
Princeton, N.J.  The facility has large grassy fields around it, including
a pond, a baseball diamond, and picnic benches under the trees.  While
several of us were walking around the pond, two border collies came to
check us out.  I thought they might have come from a nearby farm, so
I looked at one dog's collar.  Both dogs were wearing some sort of
radio collar, with "Dow Jones Training Center" and the phone number on
them.  

Now what are the border collies there for?  The only other animal around
was one goose in the pond.  Perhaps the management transmits a signal to
the dogs and they herd the employees back to the building when lunchtime
is over.

;-) ;-) ;-)


Mary Ryan			mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Tic collar
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:35:21 GMT

moed@sol.ral.rpi.edu (Michael Moed) writes:

>Our dog has a habit of attracting tics.  Our vet recommended using a tic
>collar  called "Preventic".  Does anybody out there have any info  about 
>the effect of this collar (on dogs and tics)?

This collar is an excellent way to keep ticks off your dogs!!  It works within
about 72 hours to detach any existing ticks on your pet and then will cause
any that attach after that to fall off.  It uses the same insectacide as Mitaban
dip (I think) only in a much lower concentration.  It has been tested safe for
use on dogs only, so if you have cats you should not use this product.  Also,
they did tests on it and the concentration of the tick killer is so low that
your dog could actually EAT the collar without harmful effects.  They have
a bitter-tasting substance in the collar to prevent the dog from eating it 
though, so this is unlikely.  Best of all, it lasts for 4 months.

I would reccommend it.

Also, while on the subject of tick collars...don't buy flea collars!!  They 
are a total waste of money as all they do is keep fleas off your pet's neck.
It would be like somebody marketing a bracelet to wear that repels mosquitos.
I know that the mosquitos would just bite my other arm :-(


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From: amt@linus.mitre.org (Anne Tallant)
Subject: Re: What books are good?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:44:22 GMT


I recently browsed through a copy of Natural Training by (can't remember
his first name) Behan at the bookstore.  Any comments, pro or con from
rpd readers?

Thanks,
Anne

amt@linus.mitre.org
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: dog seat belts!! any good??
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:01:13 GMT

In article <6612@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> robbie@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (G.Robert Arrabito) writes:
>R.C. Steel carries dog seat belts. The price is under $10 U.S. 
>I would be interested in hearing if these belts are any good or not.

R.C. Steele carries 2 types of seat belts.  The "Easy Rider (tm) Car
Harness" is the better of the two.  I cannot fit a crate into my car, so
I have a seat belt for Kelsey.  It keeps her out of the front seat, and
if I should ever have an accident (or even a close call, for that
matter), it will keep her from crashing into the windshield or me.  The
week that I bought the seatbelt, my roommate's car was hit when a man
was trying to push his dog into the back seat and did not see the red
light.  When I was buying the harness, the salesperson told me about a
guy that had just been in to buy one for his second dog, as his first
dog had recently died, being thrown into the windshield when he slammed
on the brakes.  Not worth the risk, for me, and Kelsey acclimated rather
well (considering she's rather an independent spirit :-)

I whole-heartedly recommend them if you can't fit a crate in your car.

Robbin (rhuls@pixel.kodak.com)

P.S.  R.C. Steele can be reached at 1-800-872-3773
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SETTING UP FOR A FINISH)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Retrieving the PaperDIR
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:30:58 EST
Distribution: world

In article <1eh853INNa5k@talon.UCS.ORST.EDU>, kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble) writes:
> I have a Flat Coated Retriever puppy (12 weeks now) that I'd
> like to train to bring in the paper. I've been taking her
> out on leash every morning, and she attempts to pick up the
> paper and return it to the house. Sometimes the paper is too
> large for her, or it's folded loosely, and she can't handle it.
> On these days I have a smaller paper that I drop for her and
> she carries it in instead. She is _really_ proud of herself
> when she lets me take the paper from her inside the house. 
> She thinks this is all great fun.
> 
> I've been working with her on retrieving and she is doing
> very well. Is there anything besides what I've been doing
> so far that anyone would suggest. When you start training a dog
> to retrieve they see the object moving. How do you make the 
> the transition to something just sitting out in the yard?
> 
> Also, any advice for starting a young dog on Frisbees? 
Don't, not until she's at least 18 months old.  The strain of catching a
Frisbee may be too much on her young joints.  However, I think it is fine 
for her to chase the frisbee.  Just don't encourage her to jump up after it.
At least not until she's older! 
> 
> Kevin Gamble (kgamble@ces.ncsu.edu)
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Abuse
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:16:35 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets

In article <102216@bu.edu>, smott@bu.edu (SHARON MOTT) writes:
|> about it.  I feel so helpless for these suffering animals!  I also feel 
|> that there should be harsher punishments given to the abusers.  No one 
|> should get away without any punishment after what they have done!  Any
|> responses agrreing or disagreeing with me would be greatly appreciated.
|> X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
|> 
|> Sharon 
|> 

Take this to talk.animals.politics.  This is NOT the place for your diatribe.

Animals do not have rights; people have responsibilities. 

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From: martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin)
Subject: Re: Mutts vs. Purebreds
Summary: Behavioural problems and dog show selection.
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:34:41 GMT

I had intended to stay out of the show dog versus mixed breed
controversy but too much is too much.

Item 1. Vets are not experts on dog behavior. They may see
a lot of dogs under undersirable conditions from the dogs
point of view but this is just one more opinion.

Item 2. Anyone who believes Micheal Fox should do some research.
He has his own agenda independ of facts.

Item 3. I am bothered by the bad mouthing of dog shows and 
show dogs by people who don't know anything about the sport.
Let me point out a few things:

A. Dog shows and behavior.

Dog shows have large numbers of dogs and people in close quaters.
A typical northwest all breed show is 1500 to 2500 dogs and probably
a larger number of people not counting non fancy spectators. This
includes PA systems and all sorts of distractions. A dog with a 
poor temprement is very hard to show. Perhaps by accident, dogs shows
select for stable temprements. Try going to a large indoor show
and look around.

B. Predictable results of breeding

One of the major differences between random breeding and purebred
dogs is predictability of breeding outcome. This tends to apply
to temprement as well. Serious breeders do select for temprement
as well as appearance. There are exceptions to this, but they are rare.
I am proud of the temprements of the dogs that I breed and I see
no reason to put of with insults from people who don't know what
they are talking about.

C. Heriditary desease

The small gene pool in purebred dogs can be a problem. However,
nobody is keeping track of heriditary disease in mutts. How many
mutt owners know if the sire and dam were OFAed or CERFed? For
the most part, mixed breeds are never tested. Who knows about
the health or temprement issues? Again I would rather bed on
the results of selective breeding than random screwing. 

I could go on but this should make my point.

Don Martin  Widdershins Old English Sheepdogs





Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht)
Subject: Heeling when there are distractions
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:12:45 GMT

Hi,
My 7 month old dog and I are currently in the middle of a 10 week obedience
class.  Rolf is doing pretty good and for the most part I can't complain.
But I'm a bit stumped with this one.  The problem is, when we practice heeling
in our quite surburban neighborhood, he's fine.  I don't have to pull on the
training colar hardly at all.  But when we go to class each week, he's totally
distracted by the other dogs while we're walking.  I feel like I pull
on the colar the whole time while we're practicing.  He's only bad on this
one exercise too.  For example, he sits, stays, down stays, and comes without
incidence.  But when we all get moving, he tries to go see the other dogs
and consequently I'm correcting him constantly.  ANy ideas?  I think if I
could practice with him during the week in a distracted environment that it
might help but I don't think there's much chance of that being an option. By
the way, he loves all other dogs and people so he's trying to "see" them during
our class heeling because he wants to be friendly.  My theory is that 1) he
is not accustomed to the distractions from walking with other dogs and people
and 2) since he's been crated all day, he's so excited to see everyone that
he figures with all the noise going on during the heeling exercise (everyone
is saying "good dog" and "at-a-boy" so with 25 dogs in a gym that echoes it
gets pretty noisy) that it's time to let loose and have some fun. It
is hard not to blame him but then again, I'm not going to class once a week
for him to have social hour.  If you have some ideas, please let me know.

Alice