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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #3
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:36:41 GMT

Week 3
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[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] Miami            
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Dallas           
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Browns/Colts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:13:00 GMT

In article <9209070202.AA14842@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Stephen I Miller <similler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>Just got back from seeing the debacle in Indianapolis a couple of hours ago and
>I still can't believe that the Browns offensive line is this bad.  No (I MEAN 
>NO ONE) could stop the Colts defensive players on the right side of the line.  
>That is where all of Bernie's sacks came from.  He had virtually no time to set
>up and pass the entire game.  When Vardell and Hoard were in there together 
>they made a good team.  Vardell would block for Hoard and vice versa.  The 
>problem was that once one of them blocked there was no one else on the Browns 
>to help with another block.  Not having Slaughter, Brenner, and Slaughter (who
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
  You must meant Langhorn ?

>scored a touchdown fro the Colts) is really showing how inexperienced our 
>receivers are.
>
>On a good note I'd like to thank the Indiana Browns Backers for the great party
>they threw Saturday night and the Picnic they set up before the game.  It was 
>great to see such a hugh crowd of Browns fans marching down the street before 
>the game to the Hoosier Dome.  It would have been nice if the Browns had showed
>up too.
>
>Oh well.  Hopefully my tickets to the Miami game won't be as big a loss as 
>todays were.
>
>Go Browns.
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From: johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Haley back to form? *NOT*
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:13:48 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <19299uINNim4@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>In article <5197@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>>Maybe the honeymoon is over for Charles Haley in Dallas.
>>It was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle that
>>Haley walked up to Troy Aikman in the Cowboy's locker-
>>room and told him that he "couldn't carry Joe Montana's
>>jock strap".

>>Ah yes, vintage Charles.

>Dear John,

>It is too bad that you don't read a more reputable newspaper, one that
>bothers to check the veracity of its sources.  The story in question
>was reported by one "Mr." Fred Edelstein on ESPN at the start of last
>week.  Too bad, because Mr. Edelstein got his report from shaky
>sources and as it turns out, the statement is completely false.


The SF Chronicle not reputable?? I can't believe that.
My deepest apologies.
By the way, has Charles urinated on any of the Cowboy's
cars yet?

John
From: platkus@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs browns
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:48:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:

>Clayton is out and Tony Martin is in. Higgs is starting and I am 
>READY! Two weeks of watching the rest of the league play has taken its
>toll. In ten minutes I'm going home and plant myself in front of the
>tv and the countdown will start. Only 9 hours until game time. I need
>a rum and tang, and a little practice shouting "SHUT UP FRANK" and
>I'll be all set. Unfortunately work and school beckon so maybe I won't
>leave in ten minutes. Physically anyhow. Mentally I'm gone.....

>Tony (go cleveland) Travaglini
>tech@cs.ucf.edu


Yep, its about time to see the Dolphins!  I think they looked ok in preseason
,  all things considered.  The team is as good or better than two years ago
when they went 12-4.  Looking at their schedule, I predict a 12-4 season for
this year, but tonight is a really big game for them.  What they do tonight
will set the tone for the season.  Most people expect the Dolphins to beat the
browns, but if they struggle doing it, it could be a rough season.  If they
control and dominate the game, then they should be in good shape for the
rest of the year barring injuries etc.

C'mon Dolphins pound the dog pound.


Here's an afterthought.  This year, there are now four teams that opened on 
Monday night.  This ever happen before?


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From: ables@hal.com (King Ables)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:14:12 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

From article <1992Sep8.040802.3189@abode.ttank.com>, by eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett):
> In a game that showed that instant replay should still be used in the NFL, the

No, it showed that the NFL should hire better officials.
I'm just glad it didn't make any difference.
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Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:08:55 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug30.191326.10906@uwm.edu>, melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
> In article <10415@disc.dla.mil> i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green) writes:
>>
> 
> 	Come on. I heard this for 3 season with Minnesota. We had a few
> 	All-Pro off lineman and Walker still didnt look all that great.
> 	I saw Walkers stats, and he was like 12-12. You need to give
> 	him the ball more than 12 times. More like about 100 times,
> 	then he could be 100-100. He just doesnt look like he runs
> 	hard anymore, very cautiously, and I just dont see him having
> 	a good year with anyone anymore.
> 
> 							Mark Gresbach
> 							GO VIKINGS

Herschel runs for 100+ against a very good New Orleans defense. The H-Train
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From: kinosr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita)
Subject: Re: FINAL - Niners vs Bills
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:48:24 GMT

At least now we know what 2 teams need some defensive help.  The secondaries
of both teams were utterly pathetic.  1,100 yards in total offense?
Come on!
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:15663 dc.redskins:135
From: kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu (Kenneth W. Crist Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Mat Millen
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cvl.5484
Distribution: usa
Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.

In article <1992Sep4.061145.1124@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
> 
> OUT:
> ---
> >LB Matt Millen:  
> 
> Is he the player picked up from the 49ers last year.  Was rated to be
> a good player and played well for the niners.  I may be mistaken, but it 
> used to be said that he was the heart of the Niners team, always encouraging 
> players, playing well & leading by example and always peping up everyone.  
> Then where did he go wrong for the Redskins.

	1) Matt Millen retired.
	2) Matt did not "go wrong" for the Redskins. He was an important part
of the Redskins defense up until the last few games of the season and during
the playoffs. Unfortunately for Matt, he sat out during the playoffs and
the SB because Washington faced Run-And-Shoot teams and Matt was a
role-player used on rushing downs for the most part. I think most Redskins
fans will remember Matt as giving his all for the team, even when he wasn't
even suited up. I was at the Championship game against Denver and Matt was
down on the sidelines in streetclothes (he was on the 2-man taxi squad) and
he was pumped. He prowled the sidelines getting the other players as psyched
as he was.
	This was a man who more than anything else loved to play the game.
But, he was also a team player. Joe Gibbs told Matt the deal about the
R-n-S teams (Atlanta, Detroit, Buffalo) and why they would not have him suit
up for each game. Matt never whined to the press about not being able to
play. He complained, because he was a competitor, but he never whined.
	I'm just glad he got to play for the Redskins last year, because he
deserved another Super Bowl Ring.

						Ken Crist
						kayuucee@cvl.umd.edu
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niner's look good (IMHO)
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:08:52
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
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In-reply-to: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM's message of Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.231518.6602@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
[...]
=>I realize this is only the FIRST game of the season, but if the
=>Niner's continue, they will be unstoppable.  The Giants looked truly
=>out of synch.  It is hard to tell if this is due to their inability
=>or SF's defense and pressure on Simms.

I saw the game too.  The 49ers are in trouble if they play a team
which is better than the Giants.  The Giants are a team in decline,
yet they still managed to pressure the QB and did a passable job on
defense.  The Giants have *never* had much of an offense, so the 49ers
didn't have any trouble stopping it.

=>Bono was able to spread the ball around to Taylor and Rice.  I am
=>surprised Brent Jones was not used.  I don't remember Jones catching
=>a ball or even had a ball thrown at him.  I guess the Giants were
=>covering him pretty good.  However, the Niner's had too many
=>offensive weapons to be stopped effectively.

From what I saw, the Giants did lack the people to cover the 49er
players.  The fact that Tom Rathman was so effective means that the
Giants didn't bother (or weren't able) to cover him.  Turnovers sure
helped as well -- good teams don't turn the ball over as much as the
Giants did.

The true test for the Niners will come next week when they play the
Bills.  I'd be surprised if the Giants manage to stay above .500 this
year, given their 6 games against the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles.

ethan
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From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Redskins and Fundamentalist Xianity
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:10:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: Barry Sanders in the race
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:59:19 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Previous post:

While it may futile to say who is the NFL's best running back, some facts
may help to put this debate in perspective.  First three years of career:
Payton      3921
Dorsett     3439
Dickerson   5147
Sanders     4322
I don't have stats on Sayers or Brown.  I think it is safe to say, however,
that Barry is certainly in their class.  It may prove to be true that so are
Thomas and Smith.  Bob
____________________________________________________________________________

Response: These numbers in and of themselves will be misleading. Payton,
for example, was playing his first year in a 14 game season, while current
runners have 16 game seasons. Obviously, number of carries would also be
of major interest. Any all around assessment would of course have to
consider receiving, blocking and other team contributions, which everyone
already knows.

I think it is futile to try to pick the best. Among other things, different
players played in different eras. Other than longevity (he quit while he
was still healthy), Jim Brown's accomplishments are pretty awesome, for
example, and he isn't even mentioned here.

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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: NEEDED BOX SCORE from MNF
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:23:51 GMT


	I need to get my hands on the BOX score from last night game ASAP.
	Please all you Cowboy fans and Redskins fans too, please someone
	get me the D*mn box score that my stupid $*(&^ paper did not carry.
	Please also, make it complete, I need stats on all players, and 
	all totals. Please make it as complete as possible. If anyone can get
	me this before 5 CST, I would be in thier debt. Thanks

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills fans rejoice!
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:43:46 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>Anyone who rambles on about defense winning games should watch this game again
>and tell me what team in the NFL could have beat EITHER the 49ers or the
>Bills today.  

Er...any team with a good defense?

				me
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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Re: STATUS: Eddie Brown - Bengal
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:20:32 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <BuKzpt.Ct5@vcd.hp.com> kevinc@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE writes:
>
>     Can someone tell me what Eddie's situation is. IR/Benched/Vaporized/
>  Only a dream/Etc....
>
>Kevin Cyrus
>Hewlett Packard
>Vancouver Wash.
>Home of the DeskJet 500C

Out for the season... damn shame ain't.. I always thought he was lazy 
anyway.. 

Alex
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:55:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep8.204253.7882@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes...
>The Bills defense stinks!  And the Niners do have defense!  I would
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Absolutely incredible. You guys amaze me.

>think that the Bills would be spending more time playing keep up if
>anything!  I see the 49ers winning, but not by much!

Yeah, you're right. The 49'ers are going to roll all over them.


Doug

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From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Subject: Answers on nationality request
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:24:24 GMT

Here are the results of my nationality request. I asked all football fans
not being americans to answer to see which popularity football has outside
the US. The answer is frustarting. There are such a few persons, only
33 myself included), who answered. O.K. some might have been on vacation.

United Kingdom 	- 	9
Australia 	- 	7
Germany 	- 	4
New Zealand 	- 	3
Sweden 		- 	3
Finland 	- 	2
China 		- 	2
France 		- 	1
Italy 		- 	1 
Saudi-Arabia 	- 	1 (living in the US now)

I think the order of the countries is what I expected.

As favourorite teams many were choosen (some people choose more than
one). I counted only first place votes:

49ers 	- 	9
Bears 	- 	2
Bengals	- 	2
Broncos - 	1
Browns 	- 	1
Chargers- 	1
Cowboys - 	3
Dolphins- 	1
Eagles 	- 	1
Giants 	- 	1
Jets 	- 	1
Packers - 	2
Patriots- 	2
Raiders - 	1
Rams 	- 	1
Redskins- 	3
Saints 	- 	1
Seahawks- 	1
Vikings -	1
?? 	- 	1

There seems to be no one outside the US cheering for:

Falcons, Lions, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Oilers, Steelers, Colts and
(very unexpectedly) Bills

Nearly all foreign readers use this news group regularly to get informations
about NFL. For some of them it is the only way to get these informations.
So to all of you in the US feed us with as much informations as possible,
we thank you.

One third likes also the local league, especially liked: WLAF in Germany and
England. The second third of doesn't like the local football playing
and the rest isn't sure if there is a local league or there is none.

I think there is a lot of work to do until the rest of the world sees what
nice game football really is.

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana and other QB's
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:10:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.051650.12027@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>In article <n08f3t@ofa123.fidonet.org>, you write:
>>In a message of <Sep 03 11:58>, Live Fast, Die Young! writes:
>>First on your "name":  Live Fast, Die Young
>>
>>I really don't wish Steve Young to die -- I just wish he would have a
>>semipainful career ending injury.  :-)
>
>After witnessing him just about getting his neck broken yesterday,
>but fortunately coming out of with "just" a mild concussion, do you
>still feel as light-hearted about this as you did when you posted
>this inane comment? What's so "smiley" about a career-ending injury?
>Geez, what a jerk you are.
>
>P.S. - Sorry if I'm directing this at the wrong person; it was unclear
>how the attribution worked here. *Whoever* said it is sub-human.
>
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First of all I didn't say the aforementioned injury regarding Young.  That
being said, I jut wanted to comment on your comment.  Although I
don't agree with wishing someone an injury that would cause death
or irreparable damage, still, we should be able to express our emotions
in the heat of the battle.  I often find myself getting exicted about a
game that I have no stake in whatsoever other than a FAN, and I am
screaming at the TV box hoping someone would break the QB's leg or
a RB's leg.  I REALLY don't wish this, but it is said nevertheless.
That does not make me sub-human, just human.  Secondly, the poster's
response was not done with animosity.  He was just joking (I hope).

QUESTION:  Am I the only one that wishes during a game that a player
gets hurt so his team won't win?
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From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:54:15 GMT

>	The '49ers are better, but they simply aren't such an awesome team that
>I would measure the Bills prospects by how well they play against the '49ers.
>I expect the Bills to beat the '49ers, but not by that much.
>
>Snoopy

Whoa, time out.  Would not measure the Bills by how they play against
the 49ers?  Granted they have slipped since the late 80's but not by that
much.  I think sunday you will see how far the bills still have to go
to match up with one of the better NFC teams.  Have you forgatten
already what the Skins did in the Super Bowl?


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