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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: 17 Supposed Evidences against Evolution
Keywords: evolution, creationism
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:24:59 GMT

In article <14AUG199222285019@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.181226.9696@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, bourd@jellyfish.cps.msu.edu (Robert Bourdeau) writes...
>>   11. DATING METHODS
>>    Many  of the radiometric dating methods used for  determining
>>the  age  of fossils are quite unreliable.  Carbon-14  dating  is
>>usually sound within a few hundred years span of time. But  there
>>are  exceptions to this. For example, a living mollusk was  dated
>>using  the carbon-14 method. The readings said it had  been  dead
>>for 3000 years.
>
>Even the Institute for Creation Research has argued that C14 dating is
>accurate for thousands of years, and debunked the mollusk myth.  (It's
>true that a living mollusk was dated to be older than 1600 years, but
>this is because it was in water known to be contaminated by carbon
>atoms from dissolved limestone.  See Aardsma, 1989.)
>
>>    Lava  rocks  from a volcano in Hawaii which erupted  in  1801
>>were  tested,  using  the potassium-argon  method.  The  readings
>>showed  them to be  nearly 3 billion years old.  Moon rocks  were
>>tested  by  various radiometric methods, yielding  dates  ranging
>>from 700 million to 28 billion years.
>
>Again, there are known sources of contamination in these instances.
>See Brush, 1983.
I would be curious to know if these sources of contamination became
"known" after the strange reading or before.  If they became known
after, then how many other readings are also contaminated in some
way yielding false readings but are unknown to be false because no one
challenged the accuracy of the reading as in the "controls" provided
above.
>>Kevin Martin
>
>Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU


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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.folklore.science
From: paulk@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Paul E. King)
Subject: Re: The dangers in microwaved food...
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:50:46 GMT

p257shu@fs1.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Susanne Huettemeister) writes:

>Recently the German NewAge journal raum&zeit (space&time) carried a
>long 'scientific' study that supposedly proved that microwave-cooked
>food will unconditionally lead to cancer in anyone eating it. The proof: 
>luminescent bacteria swimming in milk from a microwave oven 'shine'
>longer, and other arguments of that level. But still, this paper has
>been taken serious even by usually skeptical people, because at first
>glance it looks sound. Anyway, could someone lead us to serious reviews
>of the health risks (or even benefits) inherent in microwaved food?
>Since the technology has been on the market for a while and extremely
>widespread these days, studies should abound. Thanks!


I believe that theory has it that microwaves act on food by heating its
water content. The wavelength of these waves are short enough that they
are said to cause vibrations in the water molecules. This vibration
causes the heat. The bacteria may not be killed in the microwave,
because the milk would have had to be brought to a really high 
temperature (boiling is as high as the temp. goes) without altering 
the quality of the milk. The same care must be taken during pasteur-
isation, as well. Milk is quite a delicate food to be doing such an
experiment with, since so many other things in the milk are also affected
by temperature. This is no different from using a pot and a stove.
From: Ken.Stuckas@iphase.UUCP (Ken Stuckas)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: origin of life articl
Date: 12 Aug 92  17:40:00 EST

-> >   Just to nit pick, but given a fair coin, the previous 1,000,000 >
->   tosses have absolutely no bearing on the next.  The odds of the >
-> next toss being tails are still 50-50.  I understand your point, >
-> but your analogy is flawed.

IMHO it depends on the question you ask in advance of flipping any coin.

Q#1: If I flip this coin, what are the odds that it will come up heads?
     (Obvious answer: 50/50)

Q#2: If I flip this coin, what are the odds that it will come up heads
      1,000,000 times in a row?

Once the coin has been flipped, you can't go back and ask the question in retrospect, because the question has no relevance.  Or does it?

 * Origin: Aether (1:112/2020)
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Densa (was Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:26:09 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

>In article <13AUG199211532381@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>>For those jilted by Mensa, there's always Densa.  (Anybody have the 
>>address?)

Densa, 16 Connaught Street, London W2 2AF, ENGLAND
Life membership: 5.00+1.50post
Tshirt: 8.00+1.50post
Both: 12.50+1.50post
All prices Sterling, post prob diff outside UK
Life membership includes: certificate Densanity, badge, membership card, 
Densawallet [in quakeproof Densarette], Densil [unleaded pencil]


In about a week I'll be able to report on the quality of these amazing 
artefacts.

Toodle Pip!

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From: mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: The dangers in microwaved food...
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:00:00 GMT
Organization: Dell Computer Co

elo9246@rigel.tamu.edu (LaNelle Ohlhausen) writes:

>>I believe that theory has it that microwaves act on food by heating its
>>water content. The wavelength of these waves are short enough that they
>>are said to cause vibrations in the water molecules. This vibration
>>causes the heat. 

>Small correction:

>The wavelengths of microwave radiation are appropriate to cause *rotation*, 
>not vibration, of water molecules.  And these are in fact quite long
>wavelengths in comparison with most familiar radiation.  The rotational
>frequency for water is somewhere around 10 cm^{-1} (I don't have the exact 
>value here, but can look it up on request), which implies a
>wavelength of about 0.1 cm.  For comparison, infrared (heat)

I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but... most microwave ovens
operate at somewhere around 2.25 gigahertz... the wavelength for
2.25gh is .13 1/3rd meter, or 13 cm.

Just a bit off from .1cm... eh?

cheers
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Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.physics,alt.folklore.science
From: elo9246@rigel.tamu.edu (LaNelle Ohlhausen)
Subject: Re: The dangers in microwaved food...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.015046.12425@cs.mun.ca>, paulk@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Paul E. King) writes...
>I believe that theory has it that microwaves act on food by heating its
>water content. The wavelength of these waves are short enough that they
>are said to cause vibrations in the water molecules. This vibration
>causes the heat. 

Small correction:

The wavelengths of microwave radiation are appropriate to cause *rotation*, 
not vibration, of water molecules.  And these are in fact quite long
wavelengths in comparison with most familiar radiation.  The rotational
frequency for water is somewhere around 10 cm^{-1} (I don't have the exact 
value here, but can look it up on request), which implies a
wavelength of about 0.1 cm.  For comparison, infrared (heat)
radiation, which is associated with vibrations, has wavelengths on the
order of 0.001 cm, while visible light has wavelengths of 400-700 nm, and
x-rays have wavelengths on the order of 1 Angstrom.  Radio waves are
generally longer in wavelength than microwaves; I suspect the 'micro' in
the name is derived from comparison with radio waves, since it has not
always been known that all these types of radiation are fundamentally the
same.  A typical AM radio wavelength (corresponding to a frequency of 1500
KHz) would be about 200 m, and a typical FM radio wavelength (corresponding 
to a frequency of 100 MHz) would be about 3 m.

I think microwaves are generally used for satellite transmissions and
radar, as well as being important astronomically.

LaNelle Ohlhausen 

Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.magick,alt.pagan
From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Subject: Re: Book Review 'Persuasions of the Witch's Craft' (longish)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:36:37 GMT


She didn't pretend -- any more than Bainbridge did when he joined The
Process.

--LeGrand


Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: Young earth creationist logic NOT!
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:46:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.003357.6445@colorado.edu>, bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU
(Bear Giles) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.121048@IASTATE.EDU> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren
Vonroeschlaub) writes:
> >  I have to agree with Dan, you a presenting God as a liar, purposefully
doing
> >His best to trick people into believing something false.  I don't know about
> >you, but that isn't the God I worship.
> 
> Ah, so you're saying He unintentionally tricks us despite His omniscience
> and omnipotence.

  Huh?  No, I'm saying I don't believe in creationism.  I believe the history we
see in the world is its real history.  No deceit at all.

> Personally, I see a _lot_ of hubris in this discussion.  It's call
> "the Doctrine of Biblical Inerrancy."

  No, its the docterine of "My interpretation of the Bible is correct and even
if there is tremendous evidence against it I will still hold fast."

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From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Inconsistency in the bible
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:48:47 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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In article <24968@castle.ed.ac.uk>, loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes...
>Bear Giles writes
>>Now, if mainline Christians would ever get around to telling the fundies
>>to SHUT UP a lot of us would have a lot more respect for them....
> 
>	I agree. However the fundies just would not listen. Now a declaration
>by the heads of the main churches that the fundies are not Christians might
>have an effect, but I doubt it.

Personally, I think that the reason that so many mainline Christian
spokespeople are so deadly quiet on the issue is pure self-interest.  Why
should they not just sit back and allow the radicals to do their dirty-work
for them?  Although only a fundie might have the unmitigated gall to stand up
at the Republican Convention and bass Clinton for saying that he would 
appoint homosexuals to his administration, there probably are lots of 
middle-of-the-road Christians who know it's not right to get up bash gays,
but who wouldn't mind if they all the gays just went away just the same.

The fundies clearly have political allies with the rest of the Church.  
They have many common interests to defend.  Most people don't have the 
courage to speak out against injustice as long as they are benefitting
from it.

One clear example might be George Bush, who allowed Buchannan and Robertson
to give nasty hateful speeches even though he probably doesn't agree with 
them.  He *could* speak out against such hatred.  But he has to much to 
gain from fostering it.  And I'm sure that he and many other people would
still call him a good Christian, even though from where he sits he could
easily oppose the hatred and racism if he wanted to.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.magick,alt.pagan
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Book Review 'Persuasions of the Witch's Craft' (longish)
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:25:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.034109.17368@u.washington.edu>, mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes in part:
|> In article <1992Aug15.184056.23584@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
|> > The book is also careful about protecting
|> >the privacy of individuals and aspects of the practices which were
|> >given in confidence.
|> 
|>  I don't know about anyone else, but I identified at least a half dozen of
|> the people, even with the fake names. I have books by the ones I
|> identified for the most part, like the Swedish (I believe) lady who was
|> Wiccan and started doing Nordic workings and gradually shifted emphasis. I
|> have her book within a few feet of me and I knew who she was as soon as
|> she was described. The same with a number of others.
|> 
|> Wassail,
|> Al Billings aka Grendel

It would be silly of me to defend the propriety of someone else's work 
and I did not mean to sound as if I want to.  I think that L.  was aware 
of the problem and acted in a way she felt was proper.  However, there 
is clearly a potential problem, as this post indicates, and it would be 
wrong to dismiss the concern.  

For myself, I'm pretty sure I would have told the anthropologist to butt 
out.  I'm awfully glad, though, that the folks Luhrmann reports about 
were secure and open enough to let an outsider look in.  This reflects 
well on the magicians and I hope Luhrmann did well by that trust and 
confidence.

Does anyone have complaints about things Luhrmann actually did report?  
I'd truly be interested in evaluations of the accuracy of L.'s observations 
or conclusions.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.guns
From: grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gross)
Subject: Re: A random thought
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:05:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Aug9.200736.14951@bluemoon.rn.com> grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean) writes:
> Nope. Hitting the bear with a bunch of .223 bullets will make it
>mad, not make it go away. Now, a .454 Casull (a handgun much more
>powerful than a .44 magnum) can stop the bear...

Hey, Grant, hamburger is cheaper at the local grocery store! ;-)  .454
Casull, indeed.  8-)

Gene
From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: skyblu.14AUG199221251122
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <BszE8J.LM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mrjg8679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R James) writes...
>lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
> 
>>For those jilted by Mensa, there's always Densa.  (Anybody have the 
>>address?)
> 
>Oh _please_ elaborate on this!

It's an anti-IQ-elitist organization.  I think I read about it in _Omni_
about 8-10 years ago, so I'm afraid I can't give you any other details.

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: 17 Supposed Evidences against Evolution
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:22:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland

In article <LEET.92Aug19081547@dove.ims.com> leet@ims.com (Lee Thomas) writes:
>I would *still* like to find the published reference for this result.
>I *still* have a photocopy of one of the photographs of the beast on
>my office door, and it looks *nothing*whatsoever* like a basking
>shark.  The other photo I've seen, of the 4 the Japanese biologist on
>board took, looks even less like a shark, and the pen-and-ink sketch
>he made is *definitely* that of a plesiosaur - matching the textbook
>illustrations exactly.
>
>I heard that the original captain of the submersible Alvin was
>relieved of duty after claiming to have seen a plesiosaur swim by the
>Alvin off the coast of New Zealand (where the carcass was found).
>Does anyone have more info on this story (confirming *or* disproving)?

I'll tell you one thing for sure:  if it wasn't a basking shark, it most
certainly WAS a plesiosaur!  After all, what else COULD it be?  And if it
wasn't swamp gas, it MUST have been space aliens!  After all,...
From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Shakespear (was: Inconsistency in the bible)
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: lawson@aldia.UUCP (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Aug20.040358.5439@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
	diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott) writes:
>m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:

>: What is the line from Shakespear[e] about "protesting too much"?
>
>I'm a paid researcher, but just for you - it's from Macbeth (the
>Scottish Play) and it goes "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"

I hope you're not paid very much, then.  The line is from Hamlet (the
Danish play).  It is uttered by Hamlet's mother while watching _Pyramus
and Thisbe_ (probably spelled wrong).

Lady MacBeth never says anything nearly so cheerful.

-- 
Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,talk.origins
From: gascan@dcst16.dc (Bill Gascoyne)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Inconsistency in the bible
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:14:04 GMT
Reply-To: gascan@dcst16.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 23995@uniwa.uwa.edu.au, diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott) writes:
>
>Consequently things like "7 pairs/1 pair" "Raven/Dove" "Creation1/
>Creation2" simply don't matter, except to the most mindless of
>fundementalists. 

The most mindless of fundamentalists are exaclty the most dangerous types, especially
when mobilized by someone a little more savvy and diabolical.  It is the effect of
exactly those sorts of followers that skepticism seeks to counter.  Getting them to
think may be a huge task, but it's not completely hopeless.

---
1. Bill Gascoyne
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Mensa (was Re: Kinesiology - how I heard about it)
Organization: just me
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:53:06 GMT
Followup-To: sci.skeptic

In article <1992Aug17.092452.27338@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
>
>>In article <14AUG199221251122@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>>>In article <BszE8J.LM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mrjg8679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R James) writes...
>>>>lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>For those jilted by Mensa, there's always Densa.  (Anybody have the
>>>>>address?)
>>>>
>>>>Oh _please_ elaborate on this!
>>>
>>>It's an anti-IQ-elitist organization.  I think I read about it in _Omni_
>>>about 8-10 years ago, so I'm afraid I can't give you any other details.
>>>
>>The elitism of Mensa is a big farce, anyway. They don't have the intelligence
>>to work out that the concept of IQ is completely flawed and meaningless.
>
>>Mensa is the most useless, aimless, tacky, idiotic  organisation in the world.
>
>The IQ isn't meaning less, but MENSA is.  That is, the IQ has some merit
>for some abilities, but MENSA exists only for self-flattery and egotism.
>
>keith
>
Oh, this is interesting.  So support groups for those who test well below
average on the IQ scale - homes for the retarded, say - exist for what
reason?  After all, they are just as different as Mensans vis a vis the
IQ test, only in the other direction.

I suspect that you have never had to deal with any of the psychological
effects associated with growing up different.  After all, if you test out
average, you are surrounded by others who are likely very near you in ability
who can understand you and have no reason to think you are "different".

Some of us had very different experiences, whether or not we were tested.
Sometimes, a group like Mensa can help people adjust to the "real world".
Sometimes an IQ test, which was used to single someone out as different,
can provide them access to others who have had the same experiences.

I find your comments very sad and narrow-minded.  I have however seen it
many times while growing up, usually just before someone took a swing at
me for being different.

It is good to know that those who have problems adjusting to life because
they are highly intelligent should have no place to get together to talk
things over.  Thank you for that insight.  

		David Pipes
who does not belong to Mensa
robear@digex.com
From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person )
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: 'Creature in Ice/ Minnesota Ice Man
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:30:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19712
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


In the mid-70's I saw this thing in a shopping mall.  I'd forgotten
about it till a couple of days ago when a friend and I started talking
about it.    

What the hell was this thing?  It was a subject of great debate when I
was in the sixth grade manny years ago.  Most of us considered it to
be a poorly-done mock-up of a pre-historic man.  
I hadn't thoiught about this in years.  Is it still touring the
country?


-- 
Brett Person
Guest Account	
North Dakota State University
person@plains.nodak.edu || person@plains.bitnet
From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: CFD: New newsgroup sci.siano.vs.schaeffer.battle.to.the.death
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:55:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1992Aug19.125551
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University

In article <1992Aug19.040112.3315@newsroom.utas.edu.au>,
Tim.ONeill@english.utas.edu.au (Tim O'Neill) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.102314@IASTATE.EDU>, danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A
Ashlock) writes:
>> 
>>    Brilliant idea.  Much as talk.abortion and talk.politics.animals give us
a
>> place to put the tasmanian-devils-of-the-net,
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Dan
>> Dawell@IASTATE.EDU
> 
> Hey Dan! Wotcha got against Tasmanian Devils?! I quite like the 
> little buggers myself, (though it's a good idea not to let them 
> gnaw on your arm.)

   Um, I'm an American; this means that I think of a Tasmainian devil
as that sabre-toothed tornado on bugs bunny.  Comic but leathal.

> 
> Tim O'Neill
> (Tasmanian-devil-of-the-net)

No offense meant.  Growf.

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU 
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