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In rec.music.bluenote, srcd@faraday.physics.utoronto.ca (Solomon Douglas) writes:

> >So instead of G alt. or G13b9#9b5  you write G13(b5b9#9).  Just makes it
> >a little easier to see on a chart.
> 
> I agree that the parentheses help but I completely disagree that listing
> all the alterations associated with an "alt" chord is easier to see on a
> chart that just calling it an "alt" chord.

Indeed.  I think the main purposes of the chord name should be to convey to the
soloist the scale he is to use, and, similarly, the voicings for the
accompanists.  I don't really care if the notation spells out every single
note in the chord, as long as it more or less uniquely identifies it.

In classical theory, they tend to use something like "shortest unique prefix"
to indicate inversions:

triads:
	root position - V
	1st inversion - V6 (the top is a 6th above the bass - full name is 63,
	                    since next note is 3rd above bass)
	2nd inversion - V64 (to distinguish from V6)

seventh chords:
	root position - V7
	1st inversion - V65 (to distinguish from 6, 64)
	2nd inversion - V43 (cheat - really 643, but that's too long...)
	3rd inversion - V42 (ditto - should be 642)

In the context of altered dominants in jazz, this translates to:

mixolydian - G7
lydian dominant - G7#11
whole tone - G7#5
blues - G7#9
altered scale (diminished whole tone) - G7#9#5
HW diminished - G7b9

Now, of course, I rarely stick to this, and in fact almost always list the
last chord as G7b9b5 and make no distinction between the second to last two.
Stnadardization of chord symbols would be nice, but if anyone is to do it, I
would like the goal to be simplicity and human parsability.

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Marc Sabatella      "Blondes and jazz seldom go together" - Cmdr. William Riker
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: April in the City
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:47:29


It is April, so...

===============================================================================
APR 1992 EVENTS			     		DATE	       PLACE
===============================================================================

Charles Gayle Group			     Apr 6,13,20,27	Knit Fact

Ned Rothenberg's Double Band w/		     Apr 7		Knit Fact
Thomas Chapin, Jerome Harris,
Kermit Driscoll etc.

Wilber Morris's Wilber Force		     Apr 9, 9pm		Knit Fact

William Parker				     Apr 10		9th St, Av B&C

Jemeel Moondoc solo			     Sat, Apr 11,7:30pm 9th St, Av B&C

Fred Frith/John Zorn duo		     Apr 10,11		Knit Fact

Rova Sax Quartet			     Apr 12, 9pm	Knit Fact

Butch Morris 11 Piece Ensemble		     Apr 14-19		Vanguard

Bobby Watson & Horizon			     Apr 14-19		Fat Tuesday's

Third Person w/ Larry Oaks		     Apr 14, 9pm	Knit Fact

The Ex w/ Tom Cora			     Apr 16		Knit Fact

Elliott Sharp & Terraplane		     Apr 17, 9pm	Knit Fact

John Stubblefield solo			     Apr 18  7:30pm	9th St, Av B&C

Avante-Garde Tribute to Louis Armstrong w/   Apr 19, 9pm	Knit Fact
David Murray, Doc Cheatham, Alan Lowe, 
Jack Purvas Memorial Band

Jay Bolotin w/ Steve Cohen		     Apr 21, 9pm	Knit Fact
Fred Hopkins, Thurman Barker

The Jazzy and Acoustic Side 		     Apr 22-25		Knit Fact
of the Violent Femmes

Thurman Barker/Jerome Cooper duet	     Apr 24,  7:30pm	9th St, Av B&C

Max Roach Quartet			     Apr 28-May 3	Vanguard

Joe Henderson Qt			     Apr 28-May 3	Fat Tuesday's

3rd Annual Corner Store Syndicate New Jazz Festival at the Knitting Factory
===========================================================================
Stephen Salerno's Exiles w/		     Tue, Apr 28
Tim Berne, Mike Formanek, Gerry Hemingway

The Collective w/ Joe Daley, Tim Berne,      Apr 28
Don Byron, Frank Lacy, Herb Robertson,
Ellery Eskelin, Paul Smoker, Andy Laster,
Drew Grass and Phil Haynes

Mark Whitecage + Liquid Time 		     Wed, Apr 29
Dave Douglas Group
Rob Brown Trio

Gabriel's Ire w/ 			     Thu, Apr 30
Mark Dresser, Phil Haynes, Paul Smoker
Herb Robertson

Ellery Eskelin solo			     Apr 30

Ali Akbar Khan & Swapan Choudhary	     May 1		Alice Tully

===============================================================================


/sandeep
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"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
	-- Edgard Varese
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 12:50:39 EDT
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Weather Report CDs (live)

Are there any other live recordings of Weather Report?  Are they available on
CD?
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Subject: Earl Klugh Music
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 05:46:33 GMT

I just bought the Earl Klugh Trio, vol. 1 and think it is great... 

can anyone point me to what they feel is Klugh's best work so that I can find
it? Being a guitarist I am especially interested in his best guitar work, but
any overall comments suggestions are welcome... 

And if there are any guitarists out there that have the cd and can help me
figure out a particular run that I can not even get, let me know and I will
send you track and time...
-- 
 __________________________________________________________
|  Christopher L. Lott  --- Poet and Pauper                |
|__________________________________________________________|___
|  fscll@alaska                | "And now what shall become of |
|  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu      |  us without any barbarians?   |
 ------------------------------|  Those people were a kind of  |
                               |          solution."           |
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From: mjo@b24a.ingr.com (M.Jesus.O at Beat)
Subject: Re: Sun Ra news
Summary: The Chukker
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:33:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.170320.2290@ducvax.auburn.edu>, owen@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> Is this weird, or what?  I hold here in my hot little hands a flier
> for shows on 3 consecutive nights at a little bar in Tuscaloosa,
> called the Chukker, featuring none other than Sun Ra and His Intergalactic
> Arkestra.  The shows (on Wed.-Fri., April 15-17) are entitled, respectively,

I've seem many excellent shows at the Chukker - most of them by 'alternative'
bands, but lots of blues & jazz as well. Nice little courtyard in back, and
a stairway to take you up on the roof to sip a beer and ponder downtown
Tuscaloosa. A friend & I had ridden there on his Honda, for a beer and some
darts. On the roof we got into conversation with a big biker-type. Before
we had given away the make of our ride, he told us, "I'd rather see my 
sister in a whore house than my brother on a Jap bike."

M.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Monk and Lacy
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:29:03 GMT

Lacy is on the big band stuff, no solos... but nothing else.  I was always told
that there are no records out with Lacy playing with Monk in a small
group...  but... On lift the Bandstand, the video, there is a snippet
with Lacy soloing over Monk.

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: ebaddour@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Chick-Round II
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:49:34 GMT

First, I have to apologize if I offended anyone on my passing, JOKING 
reference to the chick man doin' the drugs.  It seems of all the 
things I posted that's what caught everyone's attention.
Second, I'm still curious about his pre elek/akoustic band stuff.  I 
only started getting into his stuff after accidentally picking up the 
original (?) akoustic band cd.  I only have 3 "old" stuff cds (you 
know what I mean).  One is "My Spanish Heart" , which I really liked, 
playing wise and composing-wise (Nat makes up new English words as she 
goes along.....). I also have "again and again" -the Joburg sessions, 
recorded during his tour of South Africa in 1982.  It features a 
quintet ot people that I have never heard of before (except for Chick 
himself, obviously).  Again, the playing and composing on the album is 
really good.  My only gripe with it is with the instrument(s) he uses, 
primarily the fender rhodes.  As a keyboardist/pianist myself (sounds 
important doesn't it?), I HATE that horrible thin sound.  Had he used 
a concert grand for the album, it would probably rank as one of my 
favourites, but alas I have to bear that BLEUGH sound of archaic 
technology.  The other "old" album I have is the "song of singing".  
Now, this album I really didn't like, (even though he does use a 
concert grand piano) because the playing and writing on it was AWFUL 
(hence my reference to the drugs...it almost seems like another person 
playing).  Most of the album resembles (but isn't, so don't flame me) 
free form jazz.  Now, I don't care whose toes I step on when I say 
that free form is the most HORRIBLE thing I've ever heard...beats anybody 
with a lobotomy playing anything, anywhere, anytime (point 
taken?good).  Now, with all this endless drivel, I forgot the point I 
was trying to make.... Oh!  I'm still looking for some more info on 
the earlier stuff...
CWALKER!!! If you're reading this, I tried to email you and ask you 
for the info, but the something got messed up.... so, please email me 
the stuff at : ebaddour@kean.ucs.mun.ca    Thanks.
       I think I've blithered on long enough..... any takers???
					NAT
              (forgive me, Charlie Parker, wherever you are....)
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From: tullos@stsci.edu (Calvin Tullos)
Subject: seeking particular sun ra release
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:58:42 GMT

Which Sun Ra release has all of the Disney themes on it?


calvin
From: brian@grot.ca41.csd.mot.com (Brian Smithson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Chick-Round II
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:50:40 GMT
Organization: Brian Smithson

plank@cs.utk.edu (Jim Plank) writes:

>3 stars

>Sundance -- early experimental stuff.  Good rendition of Song of
>  the Wind.

Aw, I'd give this more than three stars!  By coincidence, I was listening
to a tape of this in my car just yesterday.  I'm a major fan of "The Brain",
and as someone else pointed out, there is a delightful "Song of the Wind".
The album "Is" is of the same ilk, but I find it a bit more challenging
to listen to.  Great when I'm in the mood, though.

Someone also mentioned "Bliss".  I was going to post something about
that album.  It seems to have a flavor which is distinct from everything
else I have from Chick.  John Gilmore's presence certainly contributes,
but the writing is different too.  Are there other recordings available
with this group and/or flavor of writing?

-- 
-Brian Smithson
 Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division
 2001 Logic Drive, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104
 brian@csd.mot.com, {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Random Thoughts - ROVA, Wire, new stuff
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:14:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Apr9.001408.29248
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea) writes:

>Black Saints and Soul Notes are back in stock, finally.  Nothing new,
>but it's nice to see their great 80s releases available again 

Speaking of earlier Black Saints, does anyone know a reliable source
of the things? I found a pile at Amoeba in Berkeley last week, including
things like

Muhal Richard Abrams	Mama and Daddy (Jerry, were you asking about this?)
George Lewis	Homage to Charles Parker (w. Anthony Davis, Doug Ewart and
				Richard Teitelbaum)
John Lindberg Trio (w. George Lewis)
Don Pullen/Don Moye	Milano Strut

etc...

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie disc?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:17:53 GMT

bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:
>I saw a Evan Lurie CD recently, can't remember the title,

``Selling Water By The Side Of The River''

>Has anybody heard this?

It's like the Penguin Cafe Orchestra playing at an italian wedding.


--Gidi
From: gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Straight no chaser
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:34:49 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org

>>>>> On 14 Apr 92 14:03:05 GMT, wave3_3!bradford.ac.uk!R.J.Walker (Roger Walker) said:


  Roger> Does anyone know where I could get a copy of "Straight no chaser"
  Roger> (Film about Thelonious Monk) ??

  Roger> I can't get it here in the UK.


Me, too.  I've been looking around lately and no-one seems to have it.
Rentals I've found -- I'd like to buy a copy.

--------------------------------------------------
Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
Wavetracer, Inc.
From: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Patitucci Leaves the Electric Band
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:28:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
Distribution: world
Reply-To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cupid.cs.utk.edu

In article <1279@hydra.bucknell.edu>, cwalker@canopus.tmc.edu (carleton walker `93) writes:
|> In article <JANNE.SALMI.92Apr3032718@psykoman.hut.fi> Janne.Salmi@hut.fi (Janne Salmi) writes:
|> >
|> >NO!!!!
|> >
|> >Hope that Dave Weckl still stays with them.
|> 
|> 	Patitucci is more established (Weckl only has one solo album,
|> Master Plan). I'm sure that Jimmy Earl is a great player.

Jimmy Earl endorses Warwick basses, and he is seen in their ads playing a 
six-string. Still, he was in the Stan Clark band, so I can imagine that
he knows more about holding down the bottom end than Patitucci: the high end
of the bass spectrum was already taken up by SC himself.
Should be about time that we hear a bit more low int eh Electric Band. That
tinny sound of the high  C-string was starting to make me sick.

|> 	Can you imagine what jazz would be like if Miles kept all of
|> his original players?

I like the comparison. And has anyone noticed that Patitucci, like Stan Clark,
was at his best when playing for Chick Corea? I think that the solo albums
that both of them turn out are absolute crap (disclaimer, I haven't heard
everything of theirs, but my verdict holds for most everything I heard),
while they did magnificent things while playing with the Chickmeister.

Hot tip: Return to Forever's Live 1977 is finally out on cd! Yes!

|> Carl Walker

Victor.
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From: dan@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com (Dan Lake)
Subject: Re: L.A. jazz history info NEEDED!
Reply-To: dan@hpsanaeo.nsr.hp.com (Dan Lake)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 00:03:55 GMT

In article <ku3nnnINNpcc@west.west.sun.com>, jimh@ism.isc.com (jim hori)
writes:
|>In article <1992Apr6.205523.20396@muddcs.claremont.edu>
tag@ptnext.claremont.edu (Taylor Gilbert) writes:
|>>	I am working on a paper on the history of L.A. Jazz scene
|>>and the key musicians that were a part of it.  
|>>	anyway if anyone can give me any leads on personal accounts or anything  
|>>that could help me get data on the history of the L.A. Jazz scence
from 1940's  
|>>to the 1960's  It would be appereciated.
|>
|>One person who seems to know about this period is a DJ named Will Thornberry.
|>At one time he and I and some others were brainstorming cultural projects we
|>were interested in producing and he mentioned the lack of knowledge in the
|>general community about LA's jazz heritage. His proposal was a re-creation
|>over a weekend of the Central Avenue scene.
|>
|>If you are in Southern California, I think Will can be reached through the
|>jazz/blues public radio station KLON. Unfortunately, I've lost touch with
|>him, and more unfortunately, I know he is ill, but if he is able to help,
|>I'm sure he would be happy to provide you with information.
|>

Another source of information on the LA jazz scene is a book entitled
"Jazz West Coast"
written by Robert Gordon.  This deals primarily with the 50's scene
though it starts 
with Bird and Dizzy in LA and at the end segues into the 60's.

=Dan Lake, HPLA
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Evan Lurie disc?
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:41:14 GMT
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner) writes:

>I saw a Evan Lurie CD recently, can't remember the title,
>but the group had a bandoneon player (_not_ Piazzolla),
>and I think a cellist as well.  

Funny, I was just playing this on the radio this morning (around 7am,
AAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH)

It's entitled (approx.) Selling Water by the Side of the River. This
is Evan Lurie's tango-and-Argentine-influenced record. No drummer (I
think), but many of the songs have a strong rhythmic feel. Most of the
material is fairly mellow (and harmonically safe), nice but not 
earthshaking. I'd recommend it if you like Astor Piazzolla, tangos
and similar music (and I do).

Bill
Xref: sparky rec.music.bluenote:3325 rec.music.makers:5580
From: srcd@faraday.physics.utoronto.ca (Solomon Douglas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.makers
Subject: Monk anecdote
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:45:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: helios.1992Apr12.164509.18573
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Toronto

In article <1992Apr12.030006.14984@dxcern.cern.ch> leclaire@dxcern.cern.ch (Bruce Leclaire) writes:
>   I have one more story on this topic, concerning Monk. I'm sorry but I
>can't remember where I heard it first, but it goes like this... I think
>Monk was on tour in Europe and was being badgered by a reporter. Monk was
>changing after a show (?), and they were backstage. The reported ask Monk
>what kinds of music he liked, and Monk simply answered "All kinds".
>The reporter just couldn't believe this, and pressed the point.
>"Well, do you like, for example, Country & Western?". Monk just looked at
>another member of the band and said "I guess that reporter don't
>listen too well, eh?". Then he went back to tieing his shoes,
>without another word. Monk, what a guy!

That was from Straight, No Chaser (an excellent movie in case someone
hasn't seen it yet -- watch it as soon as you can!).o

Sol
-- 
 Solomon <|>   srcd@faraday.physics.utoronto.ca
 Douglas /|\   srcd@sq.sq.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: rshapiro@arris.com (Richard Shapiro)
Subject: more Miles reissues (was: Random Thoughts - ROVA, Wire, new stuff)
Organization: ARRIS Pharmaceutical, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:28:34 GMT

In article <9204081548.AA02149@wavetracer.com> gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org writes:
>New batch of probably-gray-market Euro live Miles CDs.


What era? Is this more of that wonderful mid-late-60s concert music?
There can never be too much of that...
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Giant Steps
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:10:51


> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin) writes:

> >, jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker) writes:
> >Has anyone heard this Cuban pianist that has a couple of CDs out with

> You must be talking about Gonzalo Rubalcaba.  He's certainly made a big splash 
> with his first two Blue Note CD's, DISCOVERY and THE BLESSING.  The recording 
> of "Giant Steps" you spoke of is on THE BLESSING.  Check out the live 
> recording, DISCOVERY, too!  This was recorded during the Montreux Jazz 

I've heard THE BLESSING a lot since I bought it about 6-8 weeks ago.
After the first few listenings I found his technique and musical
sensibility astounding, however the music has worn a bit thin on me
since then. I have no problem with his style of playing, the choice
of tunes (which are excellent) or even his sidemen (tho' DeJohnette
doesn't do justice on some pcs). It's just that the music isn't
sinking much deeper below my skin. Now I realize that being a second
album (his first studio date) it is asking for a bit much. I would
probably retract my earlier claim that he's likely to be the Geri
Allen of the 90's. Let's wait and see. In the meantime, I wish the
stupid U.S. State Department would lift their blanket ban on letting
him perform/work/record in the U.S.

/sandeep
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smehta@nynexst.com
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"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
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From: rm0n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Roy D. McKelvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: astor piazolla..
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:55:04 GMT
Organization: Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I don't know exactly why, but I've got it in my head
that having some good tango music might be a lot of fun.
My limited experience leads to Astor Piazolla, but he's
all I know of. Does anyone have any comments about his 
music, or a recommendation of best recordings? He has
a number of listings in the Cadence catalog. Thanks for
any help or info.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Subject: Re: Arthur Blythe recommendations
Reply-To: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Organization: Dept. of Space Physics, Rice University, Houston TX
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:31:26 GMT

In article <SMEHTA.92Apr14180024@kwela.nynexst.Com>, smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta) writes:
|> I can immediately think of 2 pre-80's, pre-Columbia dates which are
|> excellent: THE GRIP (India Navigation) and BUSH BABY (Adelphi). They
|> are out of print so you'll have to take a chance w/ used and cut-out
|> vinyl bins.

THE GRIP, along with METAMORPHOSIS, is now available as a single CD from
India Navigation. If you can't find it in the stores (and you probably
won't) Cadence (of course) has it.
|> 
|> Of the Columbia years I have two 1980 recordings: IN THE TRADITION
|> which you've already mentioned and the very nice LIGHT BLUE: Arthur

Look for ILLUSIONS too. Great.
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
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 Dept. of Space Physics and Astronomy  |  here are some Ginsu knives - how   |
 Rice University, Houston, TX          |   many can you hold in your bum?"   | 
 [vek@spacsun.rice.edu]                |     -- Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap     |
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From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: KAZUMI WATANABE
Keywords: Kazumi Watanabe
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:43:38 GMT

I'm looking for fans of Japanese jazz guitarist Kazumi Watanabe.

Also, if anyone knows anything about his latest release
called "Resonance Box", please leave a "review".

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca