HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smart@wanda.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Robert Smart)
Subject: Re: Uni Research Network Threatened
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:37:28 GMT

I always heard and expected that the RDN-CRC money would be split
somewhere around 50-50 or 60-40 between research and infrastructure.
That seems to be what has happened if you count the experimental
broadband network as infrastructure. I guess the key question is: is
AARNet allowed to use the broadband network (if it works) for general
AARNet traffic? Even if it is only allowed for traffic between the
designated CRCs it could still have a significant positive effect on
AARNet capacity because we could run the main tunnels for backbone
audio and video conferencing over the broadband network. [Actually we
will probably aim to run video/audio over experimental protocols
supporting multicasting and bandwidth reservation on the experimental
part of the network.]

Bob Smart
From: meetch@DIALix.oz.au (Mitchell Brandsma)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.acs,aus.archives,aus.auug,aus.comms,aus.computers,aus.computers.amiga,aus.computers.ibm-pc,aus.forsale,aus.general,aus.mac,aus.mail,aus.news,aus.radio.packet,aus.wanted
Subject: Re: PAX - Adelaide Public Access Unix - now online
Date: 20 Dec 1992 09:02:00 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1

In <1gn2qhINNole@DIALix.oz.au> leanne@DIALix.oz.au (Leanne Archer) writes:

>In <168BFCC4B.A8637710@tscc.macarthur.uws.edu.au> l.gudiksen@uws.edu.au writes:

>>>     ------------------------------------------------------
>>>      PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide, South Australia)
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------
>>>PAX is now available.
>>What's available in Sydney and surrounds?????
>> 
>>Lars

>  Hi Lars! :)

>     Check out DIALix at Sydney. The modem number is (02) 948-6918

>     Subscription fee is $80.00 a year plus 1 cent a minute user time.

	If you just want to read news and send local mail, you can forget
the $80 too!  Minimum credit payments are $10, but that's chickenfeed. :)

>     Login in as "visitor".

>     Email jeff@DIALix.oz.au for more details.

	Or me!  I could use a little introduction credit right now!  Oh, btw
we're also running an LPmud on here.  It's in its infancy right now, which
makes it ideal for new input.  *plug* *plug*!

>                                       - Leanne

[.sig?  Wot .sig? :]

		- Mitchell Brandsma (meetch@DIALix.oz.au :)
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From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
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Subject: PAX drops its costs by popular demand
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:22:07 GMT
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au

      ------------------------------------------------------
       PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide, South Australia)
      ------------------------------------------------------

Since PAX opened its doors (modems at least) a few days ago, the most
consistent complaint from callers is that they can't afford the service.
In fact there have been an overwhelming number of complaints, particularly
from students. 

Since this is supposed to be a public access system, I have decided to
dramatically reduce the cost to $10 per month with an initial $10 account
setup fee.

This is quite against my better judgement, and I have my doubts about the
long term viability with the cost at this level, particularly when the
next bill arrives in the mail, but the people have spoken !

Any existing users will of course be charged at the new lower rate.

Also apparent is that everyone wants anonymous ftp. Unfortunately you can't
have it under current AARNet rules without a much higher connection cost.

However ftpmail and archie-by-mail are a perfectly good subsititute and
require only a little more patience.

david

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From: markd@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Mark Diamond)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Megabytes of pornography from Texas
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:50:17 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au


Now that I have your attention ... does anyone know the details of the
recent of audit of AARNET.  The audit supposedly investigated what
people were using AARNET for.  Does anyone know exactly what prompted
the audit? Does anyone know what the findings were? Have the findings
been tabled, posted or published anywhere?

Lastly, does anyone know whether the AVCC which ows AARNET is subject to
FOI legislation??


Emailed responses might be best!!




M A R K  R  D I A M O N D | The University of Western Australia | All opinions
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From: hunter@werple.apana.org.au (James Gardiner)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: PAX drops its costs by popular demand
Date: 21 Dec 1992 14:45:18 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan) writes:

>From article <1gmlevINNaj@flash.pax.tpa.com.au>, by dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie):
>> Since PAX opened its doors (modems at least) a few days ago, the most
>> consistent complaint from callers is that they can't afford the service.
>> In fact there have been an overwhelming number of complaints, particularly
>> from students. 
>> 
>> Since this is supposed to be a public access system, I have decided to
>> dramatically reduce the cost to $10 per month with an initial $10 account
>> setup fee.

>Even for students $10/month seems a reasonable figure - sure as hell
>it'll cost more than that to keep entertained without it.
>Maybe a compromise of $10/quarter.
>Allan Duncan		ACSnet	 a.duncan@trl.oz

If you ask me $10 a month is reasonable considering the outlay.
Personally I think David has been a little rash and not had a good
look around at what was happening before he spent all his money.
His setup sounds fantastic, but as one who has set up smaller similar
systems, HUGELY expensive.
APANA, TMI(or whatever, the new MHSnet thing) and other network services
poping up, will make it had for him as they will be much cheaper.  Probably
not as good but good enough to keep many potential customers happy.

Personally I think David has done a very unwise move.  Its a very brave
step and I wish him well but...  Don't expect it to pay for itself.


James
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: tomw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Tom Worthington)
Subject: Re: Uni Research Network Threatened
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:21:23 GMT

Pleople might be interested in the item "Vision for a Networked 
Society" which I just posted on "aus.acs".

Tom Worthington
Chairman 
THE CANBERRA BRANCH OF 
THE AUSTRALIAN COMPUTER SOCIETY INCORPORATED
G.P.O. Box 446
Canberra A.C.T. 2601
Australia

Ph: +61 6 247 4830
Fax: +61 6 249 6419 
E-Mail: tomw@adfa.oz.au
17 December 1992

Newsgroups: su.net,su.general,aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
From: rossc@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Ross Cartlidge)
Subject: Sydney University ftp access
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:16:01 GMT

The Sydney Uni ftp archive:-

ftp.su.oz.au
extro.ucc.su.oz.au
metro.ucc.su.oz.au

is being rebuilt on aor new Magnetico-Optical JukeBox.

It should be finished in a few days.

In the meantime very little files of use will be stored there.
When it returns it will be much more upto date and relevent.

We apologise for any inconvenience.

rossc
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University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia   |   FAX:       +61 2 6606557
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: Graham Mann <mann@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au>
Subject: Performance artist's address?
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:54:27 GMT

Recently Stelarc, the Melbourne cyberpunk performance artist
known for his strikingly weird technological statements
(e.g. having himself suspended by hooks peircing his
skin from cranes on building sites;  his mechanical 
"third hand" project) has had a high profile on TV. I 
wonder if anyone in Melbourne knows his electronic mail
or physical mail address. The author of a U.S. book on
cyberpunk art is interested in contacting him, and I
need a go-to.

Thanks in advance

Graham Mann
AI Lab
UNSW.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: Peter Elford <P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au>
Subject: (fwd) Uni Research Network Threatened
To: aarnet-contacts@aarnet.edu.au, ccdirectors-oz@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: Australian Artificial Intelligence Institute
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:00:45 GMT
Return-Path: <pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au>

On page 16 of today's Daily Telegraph, just beside the article
headlined "REPRIMAND FOR BROTHEL SOLICITOR", is a small box ...

Uni Research
Network Threatened

AUSTRALIA's uni-
versities have threat-
ened to quit a Federal
Government research
program, claiming
the Government has re-
neged on a Budget
promise of $13 million
in funding.
 Vice-chancellors say
the $3.4 million allo-
cated to the Austral-
ian Academic Re-
search Network (AAR-
Net) is not enough.
 Professor Ken Mc-
Kinnon said AARNet,
which links Australia's
resrach scientists
with top researchers
around the world by
computer, would not
be able to operate
effectively.

--
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au

* this sig cut to save costs*
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Megabytes of pornography from Texas
Date: 17 Dec 1992 10:07:02 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Mark Diamond (markd@uniwa.uwa.edu.au) wrote:

: Now that I have your attention ... does anyone know the details of the
: recent of audit of AARNET.  The audit supposedly investigated what
: people were using AARNET for.  Does anyone know exactly what prompted
: the audit? Does anyone know what the findings were? Have the findings
: been tabled, posted or published anywhere?

I work for AARNet. I know of no audit being conducted by us, or by the AVCC
to the best of my knowledge.

I suspect an audit would be extremely useful - we need to be able to
describe the value of the network to those in power in terms other
than link usage and capcity projections.

: Lastly, does anyone know whether the AVCC which ows AARNET is subject to
: FOI legislation??

Pass (only because I don't know). Why don't you ask them ?

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Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.archives
From: davidw@its.CSIRO.AU (David Woodgate)
Subject: Security archives on archie.au
Originator: davidw@steps.its.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 07:02:13 GMT



	Security Archives on archie.au
	==============================

The Archive Working Group is pleased to announce the
establishment of archives of security material on archie.au. They
are available by anonymous ftp from archie.au under the directory
/security.

The subdirectories represent shadows of various security-related
material from archives around the world:


cert - A shadow of the CERT archives ( cert.org ), excluding the virus-l
        digests ( The virus-l digests are, of course, still available
        by anonymous ftp from cert.org, in the directory /pub/virus-l )

eindhoven - A shodow of the ftp.win.tue.nl archives of security material

dartmouth - A shadow of the dartmouth.edu archives of security material

purdue - A shadow of ftp.cs.purdue.edu archives of security material

misc - Miscellaneous security tools and information, from
	different sources

These archives hopefully offer most of the common security tools
available:


        Guide to Location of Tools
        --------------------------

Cops            -       CERT, Eindhoven
Crack           -       CERT, Eindhoven
log_tcp         -       Eindhoven
npasswd         -       misc    ( has long dictionary in contrib section )
passwd+         -       Dartmouth
socks           -       misc
tcp_wrapper     -       CERT
Tripwire        -       purdue/COAST
ufc-crypt       -       misc



If you have any suggestions for additional material that should
be in this area, please let me know.

                                             David Woodgate
                                             davidw@archie.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,comp.org.eff.talk
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Upgrading AARNet - PM's Announcement
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:19:56 GMT

axl867@huxley.anu.edu.au (Albert Langer) writes:


>The Research Data Network CRC will also provide $3.4
>million for the immediate upgrade of the existing 
>research data network, which links up researchers
>(including universities) throughout Australia.

Ok Albert, I wuz wrong. Completely. The money is there. 

Did the good guys or the bad guys win?

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: post
From: sandarss@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au (George Nicolaou)
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:44:36 GMT

-- 
George Nicolaou
dark_side@insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: parlog@echo.canberra.edu.au (Parlog project)
Subject: Re: e-mail to Aust Bureau of Stats
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Distribution: aus
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:13:01 GMT

In <1g9088INNd6o@csc2.anu.edu.au> pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford) writes:

>Sue Brown (sbrown@pietro.ua.oz.au) wrote:
>: I have a friend who recently started work at the Australian
>: Bureau of Statistics in Hobart.  I have her username, and was
>: wondering if it was possible to e-mail her ?  Any hints on
>: the format of the address ?

>The ABS do have Telecom Keylink access so I would suggest that
>you get your friend to send you mail using the Keylink address

>(C:au, A:telememo, P:oz.au, "RFC-822":"<sbrown(a)pietro.ua.oz.au>")

>You *should* then get a return address to which you can just reply.

When I'm not studying at Canberra Uni, I'm the person repsonsible for
external connections at the Australian Bureau of Statistics.  Kent
Fitch's comment is correct - there is no direct AARNet--ABS connection
for security reasons.  This is currently being reviewed.  The ABS
proceeds very carefully with any external connections due to the
criminal provisions in the Census and Statistics Act for abetting the
release of confidential respondent data.  I've no particular wish to be
imprisoned for a poor technical decsision that lets someone hack through
into the ABS' computing network.

As Peter Elford points out the ABS is connected to Keylink, and there is
a KeyLink--AARNet gateway.  Unfortunately, Telecom charge like a wounded
bull for KeyLink user-ids, so your friend would have to show a solid
work-related reason for having access to KeyLink and her project would
have to agree to pick up the usage bill.

Glen Turner
Communications, Network Services
Australian Bureau of Statistics
(06) 252 5905.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Mail and Telnet access to AARNet
From: sandarss@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au (George Nicolaou)
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:45:17 GMT

-- 
George Nicolaou
dark_side@insted.unimelb.edu.au
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From: ianst@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (Ian Staples)
Subject: Re: PAX - Adelaide Public Access Unix - now online
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:44:55 GMT

In article <1gmo31INN9ff@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) writes:
>l.gudiksen@uws.edu.au writes:
>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------
>>>      PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide, South Australia)
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------
>>>PAX is now available.
>>What's available in Sydney and surrounds?????
>> 
>>Lars
>And what's available in Melbourne?

The one aspect of big city life that I do envy is the easy access to all
things bright and beautiful for the price of a local phone call!

I wonder if folk in the bush will ever have comparable access to things
dependent on telecommunications?  Will it happen when we get these new
systems where everything is permanently connected to everything else and
you only have to pay for actual traffic?  But I guess you'll get *those*
systems in the cities too, years before they reach the country areas :-(

>-- 
   _-_|*  <-- Mareeba                  
> /     \     
> \_.-.*/ <-- Melbourne, Australia.

[Base map with acknowledgement to Greg Patten.]

Ian S.

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From: weig@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.general,aus.mail,aus.news
Subject: Re: PAX - Public Access Unix - now online
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:56:30 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

In article <andrewh.724565507@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au>, andrewh@cs.monash.edu.au (Andrew Herbert) writes:
> rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) writes:> 
> [re public-access unix systems]
> 
>>And what's available in Melbourne?
> 
> Two (the only two?) are:
> 
>     werple	888 1726 (V.32bis)
> 
>     zikzak	562 8814 (V.22bis)
> 		562 8813 (V.32bis)
> 
> They receive a full news feed and have fast SMTP-transported mail through
> APANA's full-time connection to the Victorian SLIP server.
> 
> Andrew Herbert
> president, APANA	andrew@apana.org.au

And anything similar in Brisbane?

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From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Re: PAX drops its costs by popular demand
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:31:42 GMT

From article <1gmlevINNaj@flash.pax.tpa.com.au>, by dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie):
> Since PAX opened its doors (modems at least) a few days ago, the most
> consistent complaint from callers is that they can't afford the service.
> In fact there have been an overwhelming number of complaints, particularly
> from students. 
> 
> Since this is supposed to be a public access system, I have decided to
> dramatically reduce the cost to $10 per month with an initial $10 account
> setup fee.

Even for students $10/month seems a reasonable figure - sure as hell
it'll cost more than that to keep entertained without it.
Maybe a compromise of $10/quarter.
Allan Duncan		ACSnet	 a.duncan@trl.oz
(+613) 253 6708		Internet a.duncan@trl.oz.au
Fax    253 6664		UUCP	 {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan
    Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
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From: peter@DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,comp.unix.xenix.sco,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: SCO SysV/386 as AARNet/Internet gateway
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:02:56 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
Keywords: internet aarnet sco unix
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In <1992Dec10.045409.15195@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> markw@cltr.uq.oz.au (Mark White) writes:
>We're an off-campus university department, planning our AARnet (Internet)
>connection for next year.  We have an existing SCO V/386 3.2.2 machine,
>currently running standalone.  I have just bought the TCP/IP package.

>	- Email configuration (sendmail vs MMDF-- Help!)
>	- Host equivalence between the Fileserver and the SCO Box
>	- Security Concerns
>	- Performance (specifically the SLIP line)

You didn't mention quite what you had in mind for the SLIP side...
but I warn you - SCO's SLIP is worse than braindead!  It has no
support for call establishment, line failure, or anything!
All it is useful for is two machines on the each end of an RS232
link.  It cannot dial, hangup, detect carrier loss, etc,etc.

It might be OK if you have a dedicated line, with autoconnecting
modems, or an ISDN line, but if you have to issue commands to the
modem or log into the remote end, you can forget it.

Best advice: Dump it and get a decent SLIP/PPP package like
Morningstar PPP.  - or go some other way, like a netblazer or
something.

Re: MMDF - you have my sympathy! :-)

Re: Security - I do some work on a SCO system, and IMHO, the 
"security" is more of a hinderance than a help.  At least with SCO
3.2.4 you can "relax" it a little.  SCO also point out in their
manuals, that as soon as you add TCP/IP to the system, the C2 rating
is void!!

Good luck!

>--
>Mark White                                        | Email: nctmw@jcu.edu.au
>National Centre for Studies in Travel and Tourism | Phone: +61 7 870 9212
>James Cook University of North Queensland         | Fax:   +61 7 371 8485
>P.O. Box 705 Indooroopilly QLD 4068  AUSTRALIA    | Home:  +61 7 870 3373
-- 
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