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From: cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman)
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan's "Shadow Rising"
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:02:34 GMT

In my previous post, I left out two words at the start of the first sentence.
It should read:  "On Tuesday, in Ithaca, NY, ...".  Sorry about that.

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (spoilers now)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:50:28 GMT

ri0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Iswara):
>It is not likely that Kero is mage gifted. I would imagine that if she is, 
>Kethry would find that out when she was trained. As for why Savil is back, 
>who knows? Maybe she is the one that will call out to Vanyel?

We're definitely told in BtS that Kerowyn is not mage-gifted.  As for Savil,
*all* the companions, except for the Grove-born, are reincarnated Heralds.
It's called Job Security.

[Tarma]
>It was never mentioned in By The Sword or any of the Mage Winds books. But it
>kind of makes sense. She was already *old* when she trained Kero, and Kero is
>a bit older than Selenay. 

Kethry, on the other hand, may well be alive, since Adepts have exceptional
life spans.  She'd be about a hundred and ten years old.

-----
Dani Zweig
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   Aphorism is better than none.
From: d_moran@pain.la.ca.us (Daniel Keys Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Chtorr & Gerrold.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:53:13 PDT
Organization: Public Access Info Network  (818/776-1447)

  The fourth Chtorr book is "A Season for Slaughter," as somebody 
mentioned recently. I had the opportunity to read it in manuscript, and 
it's *very* damn good. Surely one of the few really interesting series 
going on in SF right now. (That I'm reading, anyway.)
  Gerrold & I have (had) the same editor at Bantam, Amy Stout, who was 
let go some time ago; this may have affected the scheduling of "Season," 
though I don't know that for a fact. But I had breakfast with him 
recently and he's got the completed cover for the book on his desk, so I 
doubt it'll be too much longer.

"There are no longer "dancers," the possessed. The cleavage of men into 
actors and spectators is the central fact of our times. We are obsessed 
with heroes who live for us and whom we punish . . . We have 
metapmorphised from a mad body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes 
staring in the dark." -- Jim Morrison, quoted in "The Last Dancer."
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Books I Hate to Love
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:33:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEM73.Ln7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

The recent thread on linguistic SF led me to think about books
I hate to love -- that is, books that advocate a world view
I have profound disagreements with, that does not IMHO really
resemble what goes on on this planet at all -- but books so good
that I end up re-reading the damn things every few years.

And I'm not talking about books with ethical premises I
perceive as evil -- but with those I perceive as alien.
That is, the ethical premises advocated ring true in the
world described. It's just that I don't really think the
world is Earth. 

And the winner is:

1) That Hideous Strength, by C.S. Lewis. (How could his Fairy 
   Hardcastle character have anticipated Camille Paglia so well? :-) )

2) Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. (And of course it's really science
   fiction...)

3) Maybe you were wondering what linguistic SF has to do with this.
   Well, I was thinking of Native Tongue and The Judas Rose,
   by Suzette Haden Elgin. 

   Almost unbearably well-written and entertaining. I particularly
   like her names, which I find as delicious as Gilbert and 
   Sullivan names. Maccabee Dow, Aaron Adiness, Perpetua Chornyak,
   Emanyew Bydore, etc.    

   But just as Ayn Rand created her world to advocate libertarianism
   and C.S. Lewis to advocate Christianity, Ms. Elgin seems to
   have tailor-made her world to advocate the intrinsic goodness
   of women and the intrinsic evil of men.

   Now that may be "feminism" -- on Mars. But not from where I
   stand.

So why is it I can't put these damn books down?  
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From: msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Dragon Lord)
Subject: Re: author'n'title...
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:24:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.183203.14991@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>
> hello! I remember reading a book a long time ago about some dude going to
>another planet keeping contact with earth. during his going over the surface
>he heard a voice saying something like "my brains for yours!", and this slime
>mold thing did something to him. back on earth he was able to transform to
>some kind of wolf-like creature, and he was hunted. this is all I remember.
> does any of this ring a bell? does anybody know what book this is??
>any replies appreciated!
>
Sounds like Werewolf Pricible (spelling?) by, oh sh*t! I can't
remember!!  Ah if I'm correct, He also wrote Waystation and City.
BINGO!!  Clifford D. Simak!!!  Excellent author!!  By the way, is Simak
still around!?!

msmith
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From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Diane Duane, _Door Into Fire_
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:22:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: where can i get it?

In article <1992Oct3.213836.8291@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>
>Duane, like most fantasy authors, designs the sexual politics of her
>world to accord with her own, but those politics are hardly what the
>books are about.  I'd say a better characterization of the Door
>series is that it deals with the same themes as the Wizard series,
>for an older target audience.

Well, Duane's themes are Duane's themes (you know, Love,
Death, Sacrifice), but I think the most interesting theme
in the Door series is that it's the only fantasy world
I know of that's unabashedly bourgeois.  *EVERYBODY*
works for a living.  The Queen is married to a wine merchant.
Most of the noble characters have professions as well as
lands.  Where you get your money and what you do with it
are important issues (withess Segnbora's parents'
frustration with her failure to focus -- "those magic 
lessons were expensive, sweetheart!")

Most other fantasy worlds are based on daydreams of medieval culture,
with the nobility preeminent, peasants available as servants, and the
bourgeoisie present only as the owners of innumerable inns.  Everybody
is above money, because everybody that matters to the tale either has
an invisible income, presumably coming from land, or is the servant of
somebody with an invisible income.  Think about our old friend JRRT:
Who's been feeding and clothing Aragorn for all those years?  The
hobbits, who are essentially bourgeois, are primarily comic relief; 
the exception, Frodo, the hobbit-hero, is living on inherited income.
Sam Gamgee is the only professional in the book, and he's a gardener. 
(Or is that just a hobby?)

Another writer who's obviously done a good deal of thinking
about the economic underpinnings of his fantasy world is
Steven Brust.   I especially enjoyed the impoverished
nobility in *The Phoenix Guards*.  If you reread *The
Three Musketeers*, you'll find that Athos, Porthos, and
Aramis are nearly always one step ahead of their duns.
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
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From: rsm58307@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ron)
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (no spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:40:58 GMT

>Deitz. IMHO mediocre, but very entertaining. And then reading "Rats and
>Garogyles", by Mary Gentle. A very well written book, but I got
>bored very quickly.  

Hell yeah!

First scene ... interesting.
About halfway ... uh, i'll try.
About three quarters of the way ... zzzzzzzzzz.

	- Ron
From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Books I Love to Hate (e.g., Orbital Resonance)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:08:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) says:

>   Now, gentle readers, I beg your indulgence. Remember *these
>   are fictional characters* -- and don't be too mad at me
>   when I say, I hope some author puts a Podkayne clone in
>   their book -- and then has her raped by Huns. Heh, heh, heh!

Have you read the original ending to _Podkayne_? You should LOVE it... :-)
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From: st1rk@rosie.uh.edu (Maxwell, Darin)
Subject: Re: Diane Duane, _Door into Fire_
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:30:00 GMT

In article <BvpFt2.3LA@access.digex.com>, thom@access.digex.com (The Elf-Lad) writes...
> 
><giggle> Misty or Diane invented same sex love? Golly, I'm only 30, 
>and I was doing it before either The Door Into Fire or The Last
>Herald Mage were published. :)
> 
>-- 
>Thom Watson, the Elf-Lad         elf-lad@access.digex.com <-----preferred
>                                 elflad0@aol.com         elf-lad@glib.org
>                                 GEmail=T.WATSON7
>"What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?"--U.K.LeGuin


This made me think of something else. My intent is not to offend.
Or rather, my intent is to talk about something, hoping in the process not
to offend anyone too badly.(Query: Why do people on the net not use 'too'?
They so often just write 'to' when they really mean 'too'.:-)

My mother, in her infinite wisdom, told me she thought the books I read
"made" me gay. Regardless of the wisdom, or lack thereof, in this state-
ment, I did grow up reading science fiction and fantasy. Given the Baptist
family I grew up with, and my rejection of their morality, my only recourse 
for building a morality was those books. Thus, my reading did in some ways
shape the person I am today. I am, however, in my own mind, much more than
my morality. I picked and chose among the differing viewpoints in the
books I read to adopt the ones I agreed with. I have ended up basically
liberal in all my thinking. I have very few hang-ups about sexuality
and I believe in every person's right to do anything as long as it does no
harm to anyone else (yes, I'm aware one person's "harm" may not be another's).

My mother is correct in some ways, but I feel I would have become the person
I am sooner or later anyway. Books help people along their life path, they
don't create that life path, usually.

Has anyone else found sf to be a significant factor in developing who they
are today?

Just me talking to possibly the wrong crowd, but I think not.(And Descartes
disappears in a puff of smoke.:-)

-- Darin
st1rk@jetson.uh.edu

"You are a fluke of the Universe, you have no right to be here, and
whether you can hear it or not, the Universe is laughing behind your back."
                                 -Deteriorata(?)
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Cherryh's female characters
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:55:42 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Oct1.212035.16838@hsv3.lsil.com>, by mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt):
> I think there's a tendency (mostly unconscious, since no one will argue
> for it when stated so baldly) to assume that the author approves of the
> "hero" of the book.  I remember reading an interview with C.J. Cherryh
> in which she said "Captain Mallory is *NOT* a nice person!"

I hope this does not sound simplistic, but personally, the impression
I received from the book was that Cherryh approved of Mallory's being
not nice.  That "tough people in a tough world" stance is already
evident in the description of the superbeings in "Hunter of Worlds",
her first book I read, and I'd say it's most evident in the Dying Suns
books.  The Mri surely are fascinating, but definitely not nice.  And
what the series leads up to (the cultural goal, if you want) in a
manner that to me has the author's approval, judging from the way she
describes it, is for humanity to "wield the sword" that the Mri
represent.
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Robert Jordan's "Shadow Rising"
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 03:25:29 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

apash@mta.ca writes:

- In article <1992Oct2.005954.25949@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us>, cpf@alchemy.TN.Corne
-
-
-        Does anyone know when SR is due out in the Maritimes? Now that
-   I know the book is out I'm going to go crazy if I don't get a copy
-   really soon.
-                                      thanks in advance,
-                                                  A.Pash
-

I know that feeling.  Knowing that it is out all over the United States, and
still has not arrived here, is driving me crazy.  Have you noticed that the
bookstores are spectacularly uninformed when it comes to availability?  :-(

I have heard that the book is over seven hundred pages long, and I am anxious
to get started.  At least the third book (or the others) was a story in itself,
rather than a cliff-hanger.

<<  ------------------------------------------  >>
<<        mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca          >>
<<  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  >>
<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<   The Key:  Spirit over mind over matter.    >>
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From: ins894r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley [Wigs])
Subject: Re: julian may
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:14:17 GMT

S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk wrote:
[ regarding "Intervention" ]
: So far I'm finding it rather more of a "wish fulfilment" story than I
: remeber the four "Saga of the Exiles" books being, but it's still
: proving enjoyable for all that. 

Yeah, "Intervention" is simply a lead up to the Three books of the 
Rebellion itself, not that I hold that against it :-)

: I guess I'll have to wait quite a while yet for "Jack the Bodiless" as
: it's only recently appeared over here in hardcover...

Same here. I've had my eye continually on the bookshop shelves over here,
and every few weeks asking the shop assistant when it is due. Each time
I asked the due date shifted forward a month or so. Originally it was
due around last Christmas time or so, but I've heard a rumor that the
Australian printing was swallowed up by the Americans, when the demand 
for it there hit the roof.

: Steve Fagg      ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 )

The Wigs of Oz,
Aaron Wigley
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Shock wave rider
Date: 29 Sep 1992 19:22:03 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Sep25.174336.26949@radian.uucp> markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
writes:
>Sorry, guys. There's been an instrument around since at least the sixties,
>whose name I canNOT remember, that you play by, I believe, moving your
>hand either in its (electrical?magnetic?) field, or over a charged plate.
>I don't know what it looks like, but I remember hearing stuff by a Philly
>band back then that had someone who played it. It was weird, early-Moog-ish
>sounding.

It's called a Theremin. I saw one once in a music store here in the early
seventies. Most of us have heard the instrument - it was used by the Beach Boys
in "Good Vibrations" for that high-pitched background figure.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
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From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Subject: Re: Gene Wolfe's New Sun stuff (Severian's book)
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:44:58 GMT

>	Here's a question in return: At least one of the stories which
>Severian relates from his little brown book is recognizable - that of
>Theseus returning without changing his sails.  Can the other stories be
>matched up with tales we already know?

Well, yeah.  There's the story of Mowgli. . .

Dan'l
From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein reference in Sturgeons "The Golden Helix"
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:50:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The RAH story Sturgeon is refering to is "Goldfish Bowl". I think
it is collected in _6XH_ aka _The Unpleasant Profession of 
Johnithan Hoag_.
From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Author Polls -- last week's results (Walter Jon Williams)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:53:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: SLACVM.92272.085340IOR
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Oops.


Walter Jon Williams
-------------------
 Hardwired                         +  16
 Voice of the Whirlwind            +  12
 Crown Jewels                      +   7
 Angel Station                     +   7
 House of Shards                   +   4
 Knight Moves                      +   3
 Wild Cards                        +   3
 Days of Atonement                 +   2
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: julian may
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:47:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

Is "Intervention" just a combination of "The Surveillance" and
"The Metaconcert" or is it something more?

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Duncan:  The Cutting Edge (minor spoilers)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 03:42:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner):
>Any word when the Final book will be out in PAPERBACK?  Maybe by 1996?

It looks as though the books will be coming out every six months, with
the paperback six months behind the hardcover.  That means the fourth
hardcover should be out in the spring of 1994 and the paperback in the fall.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   Aphorism is better than none.
From: amigaman+@pitt.edu (Russell A Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Robert Jordan's "Shadow Rising"
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:45:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


  I just picked up the fourth book in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series
entitled "The Shadow Rising".  It costs $24.95 and I picked it up at my local 
Waldenbooks store.  Just thought I'd let everyone know that this book is out.

     "The Shadow shall rise across the world, and darken
  every land, even to the smalest corner, and there shall
  be neither Light nor safety.  And he who shall be born of
  the Dawn, born of the Maiden, according to Prophecy,
  he shall stretch forth his hands to catch the Shadow, and
  the world shall scream in the pain of salvation.  All Glory
  be to the Creator, and to the Light, and to he who shall
  be born again.  May the Light save us from him.

  --from Commentaries on the Karaethon Cycle"
-- 
Russ Howard
Internet:  amigaman+@pitt.edu
BIX:  russhoward
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From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: Hoban(was: linguistic content)
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1a1qqdINN3op@function.mps.ohio-state.edu>
	<1a27f3INNlgv@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<1a4h43INN4aj@function.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:19:41 GMT

Animation fans have recently seen "Deadsie" and "Doors", two films
from (I think) Channel 4 in Britain, both written by Hoban, both with
much interesting language use.  The films are shorts, in the form of
short-stories read by a narrator while the animation illustrates/
elaborates the text.  They are a lot more challenging and interesting
than the glossy gubbish MTV tends to push.


Elizabeth Willey
From: ri0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Iswara)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: _Winds of Change_ by Mercedes Lackey (spoilers now)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:15:15 GMT
	<1992Sep30.004554.20676@netcom.com>
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> ri0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Iswara):
> >The new (or is it reinforced) heartstone will be more than enough
> >as a powersource for the mages.
> 
> A heartstone, being a sort of domesticated node, is a powersource for Adepts.
> 
> Have you noticed, btw, how cheap Adept status has gotten?  In earlier 
>******rest is deleted to save space*********** 

Not to mention how everybody seems to get a lifebond.

Richard
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From: jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Recommendations??
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.171520.15007@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cpeckham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Peckham) writes:
>Hi,
>Can anyone out there recommend some good sf/f stories and authors
>which investigate any of the following:
>
>1) Unusual/questioning relationships between _good_ and _evil_

Michelle (?) Sagara's Children of the Blood series.
C.S. Friedman's latest book, the name of which I cannot remember...
Perhaps Glen Cook's Black Company series?

>2) Loss of innocence/corruption by _evil_

Skidillions of books. I'll let other people tackle this one.

>3) Mysticism and ambiguity

Erm... Could you be more specific?

>I am particularly interested in the fantasy genre, and in
>both human and non-human characterisation.
>
>Thanks for your help- you can never get this information
>from the typical book blurb.

So true.

-- 
Joseph Malcolm				jmalcolm@sura.net		
SURAnet Operations			+1 301 982 4600
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Notes on Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:09:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.6850
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Sep29.142804.5118@newshost.unh.edu>  
clc@kepler.unh.edu (Llamist Lliason) writes:
> 
> Weather plotting and prediction of the future are the same number  
of years
> away.
> 

I'm not a mathematician, but I have read a bit about Chaos 
theory.  Chaos theory agrees with you. Both are the same
number of years away, if infinity counts as a number.  The 
problem is in both cases that small changes in initial
conditions can result in MAJOR changes in result (the old
"a butterfly flapping its wings in China causing a hurricane
in the Atlantic" is pretty close to true). Thus, weather is 
close to impossible to predict accurately more than a couple
of days in advance.



--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com