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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Harrison original or cover?
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:33:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.232923.809@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <Btt652.5u7@news.udel.edu> timster@brahms.udel.edu (Timothy P Brennan) writes:
>
>>I made a bet with my friend the other day for a cheeseburger on whether
>>or not the song "Got My Mind Set on You" which Harrison did a few years
>>back was a cover or written by Harrison.  If anybody knows please email
>>(I'm hungry).  Also, if it was a cover, who did the original?
>
>
>Yes, the song is a cover.  It was a relatively obsure pop tune by some
>group in the 60's, if I remember correctly.
>

Not "group", artist.  The man's name was Rudy Clark, and he was indeed
fairly obscure.   For the record, the original version of the song is
very different then George's, and George did a wonderful job of re-arranging
the rather meandering tune into a good, tight rock song.  It is also 
interesting to note that George actually requested the song on at least one 
occasion during an interview in 1963...

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..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Byrds
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:02:49 GMT
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Speaking of the Byrds, is there anyone else out there who thinks that
the Notorious Byrd Bros. album is one of the most amazing albums ever
made (well, except for the song Artificial Energy :-) )?  Every time I
pull it out for a listen I end up playing it over and over for days. 
IMHO the album seamlessly blends rock, folk, country, jazz and
psychedelic elements into something that is much greater than the sum
of all of those parts.  It is definitely one of my desert island discs.

Obligatory Beatle reference:  Does anyone know exactly when the
Notorious Byrd Bros album was released (sounds like early 1967 to me)
and how it influenced or was influenced by the Beatles' releases of
that time?

David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: amos@prl.dec.com (Samos)
Subject: Zappa's bootlegs..
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:35:46 GMT

In Paris, at the Virgnin Megastore, I saw yesterday a pack of 12 Zappa's 'new' bootlegs !
Around 400F (~80$).. in was LPs but still very instersting..

buffalo.

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Welcome - final
Summary: Goodbye
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:52:22 GMT

John J. Wood writes:
>Michal Szleper spews... 
>Michal, man, what sh*t are you on anyway?
>Michal, I don't know if this is the newsgroup for you
>But I do object to the ignorance of your post, Michal.
 
OK, I understand what you mean. Thank you for your sincere
and enlightening post. Bye bye. See you (maybe) in some
other newsgroup.

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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: backwards music request
Date: 1 Sep 1992 20:10:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

Could somone please email me any information they may have on which
Beatles recordings have backwards sounds on them, and any other
music groups you know of with "hiddeN" backwards messages in their
songs.  Thank you very much.

I'm playing with a computer digitizer. :-)

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley
wft@soda.berkeley.edu

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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Abbey Road Cover
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:47:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.145240.19343@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> johna@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (john.a.welsh) writes:
>... In THE BOOK, Lewishon includes a print of the unaltered
>shot of the woman passing the Abbey Road sign.  I think the
>most interesting thing about the cover is that the crack in the
>word Beatles (which is superimposed on the photo) perfectly
>matches the real crack in the wall.  The woman is passing another
>word, because we can see just the first letter showing, so the
>question is.....what is written there?

Someone posted something close to the correct answer a week or so
ago. I think this is actually "NW8", the postal code (for want of
a better word) for that section of Abbey Road. At least my copy of
"London A to Z" shows this designation for that section of Abbey
Road (it's a *long* road) where the studios are actually located.
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From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Apple? Badfinger? Straight Up?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:49:30 GMT

In article <9910001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>Anyone know when Badfinger's album "Straight Up" is due out on CD?
>I always thought it was their best.
>
>Michael Bishop
>Hewlett-Packard Company
>Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com

There is a radio station in Chicago (97.9 WLUP) that has a CD info hotline. I
called them a month ago for the same info and they told me October was the
release date of Straight Up. No Dice is out on CD now (their first album).
Anybody bought this yet, I was wondering if it contained Can't Live which 
was a number one hit for Harry Nielsen


    Don Coons
    dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
From: CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:05:12 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca>
n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:

>
>This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
>Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
>snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
>in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
>fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
>days now. Thanks.
>
I believe its "For You Blue" from Let It Be.  I think the exact quote is
"Elmore James got nothing on this baby" and its actually John playing slide
with a cigarette lighter.  If memory serves 8^).

cg
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:38:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.072449.9390@malmo.trab.se> Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand) writes:
>CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>>
>>>Flame Generator: George on the other hand, doesnt seem to have the technique
>>>one would expect from a man of his stature....
>
>Agree! Check out the new live album and compare George's solos with Clapton's.
>What a difference.
>George's fingers seem to get stuck between the strings from time to time.
>And still he has been able to do such beautiful solos in the studio.
>I assume there was a lot of trial and error there...

On the other hand, I have *never* failed to be impressed by George's slide
playing.  Side two of the "Imagine" album is a Harrison tour de force. (esp
George's killer guitar on that tribute to 'Beatle Ed', "How Do You Sleep?") 
Similarly, even the outtakes feature a stellar slide by Mr. Harrison.

When speaking of live performances, I only say watch the video of "The Concert
for Bangla Desh", George easily holds his own on the axe.  Similarly, check out
"The Prince's Trust Concert", or even "Carl Perkins: A Rockabilly Special".  In
all of these, George is more then capable of keeping up with "legendary"
guitar players such as Clapton, or Mark Knopfler...

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (Jon "...huh?..." Blum)
Subject: Re: New McCartney Album?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.180839.1320@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu  
(edward s. chen) writes:
> Macca's new album has been completed and mixed, and is in the hands of  
the
> execs at EMI.  Current plans are for a release late this year  
(Christmastime
> is most likely), with a tour to follow in 1993.  An interesting note is  
that
> considering the way George was talking on "Rockline", it is entirely  
possible
> that both ex-Fabs will be on the road in the first half of next year...

I've heard that Macca's also negotiating for a second "Unplugged"
appearance to plug (:-) the new album.  Anyone know if he's going to
release the second Unplugged on record too?
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 10:13:10 EDT
From: <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject:    George's last tour

When George toured last time who was the guitarist he brought with him.  Me and
 a friend think it could have been Robben Ford but really have no clue.  Who do
 we think he will bring if he tours now.  IF he takes Clapton's band will Clapt
on's guiarist do the leads or will George?

barry
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: tjehl@sedona.intel.com (Timothy Jehl)
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Originator: tjehl@sedona
Reply-To: tjehl@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:20:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.183152.16488@ddsw1.mcs.com>, jailbird@ddsw1.mcs.com (Ron D. Harvey, Professional Bachelor) writes:
> 
> It's the main reason that I liked George's solo music a lot, even 
> though the songs got progressively weaker through the years.  _All 
> Things Must Pass_ is still, in my opinion, the best Beatles solo album.
> 
   Although I (mariginally) prefer _Band on the Run_ as best solo album
(mainly because of tune-smithery), I agree that the slide work on _ATMP_
is nothing short of spectacular.  To get an idea of relative merit, check
out the work on Dylan's "If Not For You", and compare it to the cover that
was done by the female country singer's (I forget her name) of the same
tune.  A world of difference, and this is in comparison to a country music
session player.  Oofta!

Tim
From: schauerte@moe.gmr.com (Frank Schauerte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest `92 (again)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:14:48 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

In article <BtzIJA.L53@news.udel.edu> demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes) 
writes concering beatle videos available at Beatlefest:
>The $82.50 isn't too bad, considering that the list price is $89.95
>Also, 'The Beatles LIVE' is only $11.50, not $62.50
>Plus, where else do you get a selection of 25-30 Beatles (& solo) videos?

Looking back at the Beatlefest catalog, I agree `The Beatles LIVE' is 
available at a lower price (though the catalog notes a limited quantity
is available). However, at one of the flea market booths I found a bunch
of Japanese-produced CDs (which I knew nothing about) and a black covered
beatles video of 20 minute length which I took to be a repackaged LIVE
video, but with a $62.50 tag. Let the buyer beware! 

I am still interested in other beatle concert videos, and would like to 
know what is available, and what are good ones.`The Beatles First US Visit'
for $82.50 is a good one, but I can rent it locally. I've heard of 
some concerts in Japan that were good (i.e., recorded reasonably well),
but are they available? These are not in the Beatlefest catalog.

>And I know this is picky, but the bands were sound-alikes, not imitators.

Point well taken. The bands performed songs initially done by the beatles. 

-- 
_________________________________________________________
Frank Schauerte--E and Electronics E Dept
General Motors Research Labs;    email=>schauerte@gmr.com
From: deryl@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Asides in Fab songs (was Elmore James & George)
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:27:13 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

On the subject of little comments in Fab songs... I always chuckle at
the bits in For You Blue, especially the 'go, Johnny, go!', as I never
really thought of Johnny as a 'go' kind of guitarist!

I also like the bits in 'You know my name...', where John (?) says
'lets hear it for Ringo' and the 'ha-hey..' bits.  A favourite of mine,
which I say quite a bit, much to peoples' bemusement, is the Hey Bulldog
bit... 'what d-ya say.. I say *woof*..'

Hey, while I'm on the topic, can anyone enlighten me to what it is that
a male voice (John?) says at the end of ... arrgghh! I disgust myself,
I can't remember the song!!! Anyway, it's on Double Fantasy, and the words
are something like 'when you come over tonight, don't sell a cow...'
and then it kind of fades out.

Well, I'm off to beat myself for forgetting a Johnny song... sigh...
Deryl
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Ringo & Hollywood Bowl....
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:20:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <19773@fritz.filenet.com> ganjavi@felix.filenet.com (Ray Ganjavi) writes:

>	2. I love the Beatles Live at Hollywood Bowl album. I think
>	   it's my favorite album of all times. It has such 
>	   tremendous energy.

So when's the CD coming out? I-)

					James Willer
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:54:14 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Aug27.023613.17450@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>   Albert Goldman and Frederic Seaman have teamed up again to write an 
>unauthorized biography of Yoko Ono.  Do not expect a pretty portrayal of
>her story.  The working title alone, _Black Widow_ reveals the authors' angle,
>as does publicity hype that announces the book will "reveal her private life
>in unprecedented detail."  US publishing rights have been bought by Simon &
>Schuster for "a healthy five-figure sum" (this is the real scandal of these
>ghastly books; authors who do not wallow in the grimy depths rarely earn more
>than a fraction of such amounts).  Publication is planned for the early summer
>of 1994, with a subsequent paperback edition by Pocket Books.
>

So, the dynamic duo are at it again, eh?

Well, I'm amazed that Goldman finally has gotten the nerve to pick on
someone who's still alive (and can sue)......



Bruce



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508-460-2816
From: jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Byrds
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:23:43 GMT
	<1992Aug25.210150.29257@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
Organization: Sophomore, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey-ho, all. Back from the summer (yay.), over which I heard Roger
McGuinn on Pete Fornatell's Spirit of the 60s (or whatever it's called
now) on K-Rock in NYC. Pete asked about the whole Beatles/Byrds
influence ?, and Roger said that he picked up the 12 string from George
(!).  Now, I recall a discussion on this topic quite awhile ago, but not
the final verdict; I know at least a few felt it was the other way
around, but here it is from the horse's mouth (I was surprised 'cos I
had thought the other opinion had "won").

Anyway, talk to you later....

JMR
HSK
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Sound bytes for Let It Be
Summary: read it yerself!!!
Keywords: beatles specter
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:47:04 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Recently someone asserted that the talking during "For You
Blue" was not recorded during the song, but mixed in later
by Phil Specter.

It was my impression (and I could be wrong) that the dialog
mixing Phil did was limited to the bits in between songs
("Queen says no to pot-smoking FBI members.." "I'd just like
to say thank-you on behalf of the group and ourselves..."
"that was 'Can you dig it' by Georgie Wood and now we'd like
to do...").

Could someone with access to the film (assuming the album
version is in it, as I've forgotten) and/or some boots
please clear this up for me?

				Thanks
				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Asides in Fab songs (was Elmore James & George)
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:54:47 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep1.234118.13091@cs.rose-hulman.edu> williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:


>In article <1992Sep1.102714.10483@waikato.ac.nz> deryl@waikato.ac.nz  
>writes:
>> Hey, while I'm on the topic, can anyone enlighten me to what it is that
>> a male voice (John?) says at the end of ... arrgghh! I disgust myself,
>> I can't remember the song!!! Anyway, it's on Double Fantasy, and the  
>words
>> are something like 'when you come over tonight, don't sell a cow...'
>> and then it kind of fades out.
>I believe the song is "Oh Yoko" and he certainly does say somethingh like  
>that but I can't decipher it either.

I remember "When you come over next time, don't sell the cow, get *in* the
water ... "

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Beatlefest books
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:09:23 GMT

In article <Bu0x53.1p7@news.udel.edu> demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.200519.29727@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>>Speaking of books, Lewisohn's forthcoming "The Complete Beatles Chronicle",
>>which will detail the Boys' stage, TV, radio, film/video, recording/mixing
>>activities (is that enough? :-) is due out in England on 24 September and
>>14 October in the U.S.
>>As of Wednesday,
>>the folks at Beatlefest knew nothing of this new release.
>
>Not true.  Maybe the secretary you talked to did not know, but it will be
>in their newest catalog, which should be sent out any day now.

Apparently the woman I spoke to didn't have a new catalog...and she was
in the book order department! She also had no computer information on
whether or not B'fest will carry it. Of course they will; it's a lag
in their information processing, I'm sure. A strange lapse for a company
that works so hard to bring new Beatles tomes to the masses....

B'fest usually offers such books at a slight discount. But those who
are anxious may prefer to consult their local bookseller.

B'fest also reported that they're already sold out of the revised
"The Beatles: A Recording History" by Allan Wiener, but expect more
copies at an unspecified date.
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 05:43:11 GMT

CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com wrote:
: 
: Flame Generator: George on the other hand, doesnt seem to have the technique
: one would expect from a man of his stature.  I love his studio leads, from his
: clever early fills (CBML, etc), his mid period Chet Atkins-like stuff (HD,
: ETTBMB, IDWTSTP etc) to his later more adventurous endeavors (SFF, FAH, ST,
: OANS etc).  But, his live solos seem to have a 50% chance of noodling off
: to nowhere (KC/HHH fron Star Club, CBML, AHDN both taped form the radio
: so I don't know the specific origins, are live and quite frankly embarassing).
: I'm not trying to be derogatory (sp), I'm just trying to be objective.
: I think Georges songs represent some of the best form the later period
: (HCTS, S, WMGGW, BJW).But live ???
: 
: cg       "sarry if we urt your field mista"

OK, I'll bite....

Playing solos vs. rythym backing are two very different things, kinda like the
difference between leading a chant & following along.  When you play
backup guitar, you aready know more or less what you are going to do.  In 
a jam session, which I'm fairly certain is how George looked at these, you
usually try to stay spontaneous, and try something new each time.  Obviously,
it doesn't always work (Much more for me than George, obviously).  Sometimes
the guitar break comes out really good, sometimes it just peters out to 
garbage.  It's just a sign that he was experimenting on stage, which is not`
a bad thing, IMHO.

Sorry for the civil flame, I'm too tired to try to get abusive.
--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: harrisonews
Keywords: harrison
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:02:19 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......

In article <1992Aug31.165946.21673@cs.rose-hulman.edu> williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
>
>Recently I heard that George might tour (somewhere besides Japan) and that
>he plans to release a studio album in the fall.
>Does anyone(anybody) know

>  1. Does George plan to tour in the U.S.?

      The best answer is that a tour appears likely sometime in mid to
late 1993.  During his recent appearance on _Rockline_, he said that the
Japan tour went well enough that he is looking into putting a band together
for a possible world tour.  However, he also said that he wished Clapton's
band were available sometime during this year (1992), as he may lose interest
by next year.

>  2. Is George in the studio now?

No, George is working on writing songs.  He just returned from a vacation at
his Hawaiian beach house, where he said he was working on doing some song 
writing. Short term, he said he has some work with HandMade to do, and then he
would like to get a band together, and record an album for release in early 
1993.

>  3. Is the album release date planned for this fall or the fall of '93?

See above.

>I was also wondering if anyone bought the WonderWall CD or has the LP and
>what they thought of it.
>  

A very different collection of songs.  Pretty interesting for a film 
soundtrack.  Not something I listen to very often, but the tone and texture
of the film soundtrack are perhaps the epitomy of the pot-and-incense era
of the decade known as the sixties.

<ESC>

-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)