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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: duke/unc coexistence
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:38:27 GMT
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In article <1992Dec11.213042.22881@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>This is an interesting theory, but has it been supported by evidence?
>
>Did Indiana's win in 1976 over Michigan ruin their rivalry?  How about
>Villanova over Georgetown in 1985?  Or Kansas over Oklahoma in '88 (or
>whenever that was)?

The situations are not identical.  If you look at these games, none of
the match-ups are between two teams who are each other's absolute
arch-rivals.  For example, Indiana's biggest game (IMHO) would be
Purdue, not Michigan.  And I imagine Georgetown would be more upset
about losing to Syracuse (or St. Leo) than to Villanova.  Is Kansas's
biggest arch-rival Oklahoma?  I would guess they would be more upset
about dropping a final to K-State.

Unlike these games, Duke-Carolina is unquestionably the biggest game for
each of these two teams (definitely for their fans!).  Many would say it
is the biggest rivalry in college basketball, period. (Although I
imagine some Big 11 folks might argue.)  I know if Duke lost to the
'Holes in the NCAA Final, I think I would move to California and change
my name and NEVER NEVER watch college basketball again. *Shudder*

Of course, if we beat 'em, I don't think it would matter if we never
won a game against 'em for the rest of eternity.

- Rob Mac K


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Fletch Picks
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:50:09 GMT

In article <of=YicO00WBK841cEd@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
> OK, after going a stelar 4-2 with one push on my last posted picks
> (12/10) here are my picks for today, Tuesday, December 15, 1992 (bet on
> team in CAPS):

Save it for rec.gambling.

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From: Mike.Dunnagan@launchpad.unc.edu (Mike Dunnagan)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:24:15 GMT

Jazzy J:

>         Well, Hurley might have gotten past Stockton and Magic, but
> neither
>         of those 2 are considered some of the quickest players in the
> NBA.
>         If Hurley can get past the lightning quick likes of Hardaway,
>         KJ, and Michael Williams, then we might start talking. 

Does Hurley remind anyone of Mark Price, and how do they compare?

Mike
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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: Purdue vs UCONN
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Kevin Minor (minor@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
: 
: There was another center we had around then that was a LOT better IMHO.
: I wish I'd remember his name. I remember playing against him too. And
: the difference between him and McCants was like night and day.
: But he got in trouble with Keady and had some personal problems and never
: finished out. I think he was a transfer... Come on Purdue folks, help me
: out here...
: 

That was Jeff Arnold, I think.  I don't think he was very good, but he was
*large*.  His shining moment for me was against Northeastern in the NCAA
when he set a blind pick at about half court that knocked the guy out of the
game.  I think he played well against IU in Mackey once, also.

McCants was much better than Arnold, IMHO.
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From: Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill)
Subject: Re: How's UNCC Doing?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:07:14 GMT

In article <BzB7zK.JI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.181927.4236@cs.tulane.edu> William Keleher writes:
>>
>I'm anxious to hear how this team is doing as well.  When I read the Charlotte
>

Not well so far, lads.  Only beat East Carolina by 3 and lost to Pepperdine
at home.


>TRIVIA: Nobody got this one last time, so I'll post it again.  Name the two
>NBA players who went to Enloe High. (Hint: One played for Wake Forest, the
>other for NC State.)

Like Danny Young and Nate McMillan.

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From: George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:52:05 GMT

In article <wilder.724306953@mik.uky.edu> wilder@nx20.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
>In <7923@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>
>|...or could it just be a matchup between the two most overrated teams in
>|the country???
>
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>
>Well, I guess I have to bow to your expertise on overrated teams.

	Hmmm?  Oh, yes, Duke has had *so* much trouble performing up to ex-
pectations in the past couple of years, sure, they're overrated.  Ri-ight.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:32:09 -0500 
From: James T Graves <jgraves+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Big Eight Report(12-8-92)

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.basketball.college: 10-Dec-92 Re: Big
Eight Report(12-8-92) by Alan Martin@tsd.arlut.ut 
> >>Also,  does anyone know the schedule/teams for the BMA Classic this weekend
> >>in Kansas City?  I know Kansas is in this one.
> >>
> >BMA - UMKC, KU, MissValleySt, UMass

By the way, the BMA is a "non-tournament" again this year.  KU will play
MissValleySt one day while UMKC plays UMass, then the two will switch
opponents so that UMKC plays MissValleySt, and KU plays UMass (I may
have the order reversed, but you get the idea).  This of course goes
back to last year, when the format was changed so that there wouldn't be
a danger of KU having to play K-State (who lost their first round game
to Temple anyway).
  
> >Rainbow - Mich, UNC, GT, Neb, UNLV, Fordham, Hawaii, KU

That's quite the group of teams, but I'm a bit suprised to see Roy
Williams in a mid-season tournament in which he could possibly end up
coaching against Dean Smith.  

> As an aside, sometime last summer someone posted a KU schedule, and I
> responded that their out of conference schedule looked pretty lame.  I
> don't remember seeing Indiana, Georgia, UMass, UNC, or Michigan as
> possibilities on that posted schedule.  Either the posted schedule was
> wrong (possible), or I was seriously deluded (highly probable).  In
> either case, I rescind my comment.  Their schedule seems appropriate
> to me, although I'd still like to see them play Duke and Kentucky again
> (but let's not jumpstart THAT thread).

I'm all for the in-season Duke rivalry, but if you can convince Pitino
to pick up the KU-UK series again, you're ready for politics.

Jim
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From: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (Jud Ahern)
Subject: UMASS DROOLZ!!! (OU rules...)
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:29:53 GMT
Reply-To: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu
Organization: School of Geology and Geophysics, University of Oklahoma

OU came from behind last night, using tenacious defensive pressure
to defeat UMass 93-83. The Lloyd Noble Center was packed (a real 
rarity) and raucous.  Fans chanted "Over-rated!" at the visiting
bench in the final moments, in a derisive mimic of UMass fans'
gloating over last year's UMass rout of OU in Springfield. 

Despite the chant (and the title of this post), UMass proved  to be
at least worthy of their twenty-something ranking, as they led most 
of the game. But when the fans get rocking and rolling at
the LNC, and Billy and the Boys turn up the full-court, trapping
heat, you really sense the meaning of home-court advantage. 
OU forced 19 UMass turnovers and made 12 steals. Given a neutral 
court, however, I'd guess these two teams would
play pretty even. (Does the forgoing sound like anti-woofing
insurance? I sure hope not.)

Jeff Webster led all scorers with 25 points, most coming from his
beautiful, patented (pat. pend.) turn-around, fade-away jumper.
Tell me how a guy can spin, fall and shoot and hit 11 of 18 with
guys in his face, but only make 2 of 7 standing still, unguarded 
at the free-throw line, as Webster did?! He's normally a good 
free-throw shooter, too.  But I digress...  The Sooners shot a 
miserable 57% from the charity stripe; fortunately the Minutemaids,
er Minutemen (couldn't resist), shot only 62%. OU point guard
Terry Evans had a terrific game: 35 minutes, 22 points, 5
rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals and 0 (count 'em) turnovers.
UMass has a tremendous front line.  Their guards aren't bad, and
with some more experience the entire team will be a force...

All in all, a great game to watch. OU plays like the kid who 
hasn't studied all semester, then crams like mad at the end
to pass his exams (hope this isn't a bad time of the year
to broach such a metaphor...).

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From: keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher)
Subject: How's UNCC Doing?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:19:27 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-4171]: venus


  Can anybody out there in net.land fill me in on how the UNC-Charlotte
49er's are doing?  It's surprisingly difficult to keep up with the rest
of the METRO here in New Orleans.  I thought UNCC looked pretty strong
at the start of the season with the inside/outside combo of Jarvis Lang
and James Terrell.
								   -Wm.
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: Enloe Alums (was  How's UNCC Doing?)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:31:08 GMT

In article <BzB7zK.JI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.181927.4236@cs.tulane.edu> William Keleher writes:
>>
>> 
>TRIVIA: Nobody got this one last time, so I'll post it again.  Name the two
>NBA players who went to Enloe High. (Hint: One played for Wake Forest, the
>other for NC State.)
>
that would be Danny Young (WFU) and Nate McMillan (NCSUx)

L.P.

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From: zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:12:14 GMT
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In article <8129@news.duke.edu>, whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>
> So now Fischer is joining in the lets-talk-trash group.  Talk it up

Well, the stuff below coming from you, ain't bad either :-).

> before the game, lose, then say how much you want to play us again.  You
                                                                       ^^^
> don't want to meet us in the tournament.  The deeper in the tournament
> we meet, the more unbearable it will be when you GET BEAT for the 4th
  ^^                                           ^^^
> time.  Just hope some no-name upsets us so you don't have to face us.
                                       ^^    ^^^                    ^^
> If you face Duke, you will lose.  Michigan can't deal with Duke.  It
     ^^^            ^^^
> just can't win.  Not to say that the games haven't been close.  They
> have, of course.  But you will never win.  We have your number.  So when
                        ^^^
Hey, I've just tranferred Fisher's quote I read in the newspaper, verbaitim.
You keep using "us" and "you", as if I wrote it! Do you want Fisher's
e-mail address so you can send him a personal note :-) ?

> Fischer says things like that, it doesn't bother Duke.  It just shows
> how obsessed Michigan is with the fact that they will always be second
> best.

Now, why do I feel I've heard this before? But then again, it might
have been some Cassius Clay oldies they had at ESPN the other day
(I am the greatest, blah, blah...) :-).

> -Will

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From: dave@xtxde.chi.il.us (Dave Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin's rating - DUH!
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In article <skipb.724528516@cwis> skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
> 
> 
> >This idiot has Mich. St and Nebraska way overrated. Oregon St just got
> >crushed by SW Missouri St, who is not even picked to win the Missouri
> >Valley.
> 
> I haven't seen the current Sagarin rating, where does he have Nebraska? I
> personally think they should be in the high teens, but I'm a little biased.
> They do look good this year, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they make
> it to the sweet 16.
> 

  Sagarin's ratings are done by a computer model of some sort, that's
why they always are so different from AP, CNN, etc..
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From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: Montross vs Shaq
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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In article <7918@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) wrote:
>  Well, I agree that Matt Wenstrom, who could not guard a rotting tree stump,
> has a dubious professional career ahead of him.  

Nah.  I'd say he has a guaranteed two or three years as one of Don (The
Genius) Nelson's "projects".
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (12-18-92)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:02:52 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Big Ten

>
>	Michigan at the Rainbow Classic

Anybody know who's televising the Rainbow Classic?
 
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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:30:54 GMT

vincent@lagrange (Mark Vincent) writes:
: Hi, netters--let's talk hoops!
: 
: A recent question about teams from the same conference winning NCAA champ-
: ionships during the 1980's got me thinking.  Let's get a discussion going
: on the subject:
: 
: Which conference had the best season ever?
: 
:  [examples deleted]
: 
: While the above examples probably focus more on success in the NCAA
: tournament than in the regular season, it seems that there are examples of one
: conference holding dominance over the weekly ratings for the majority of one
: season, in addition to placing a bunch of teams in post-season play.
: 

 One of the best regular season performances by a conference that I can 
 remember was the ACC in the '85-86 season.  Duke, UNC, and GaTech were
 ranked #1,2,and 3 for much of the season.  Each was #1 for at least some
 time and they may have been the only #1 teams that year (Michigan may
 have been #1 in some polls at the beginning of the season - I can't 
 remember).  UNC and Tech lost some games in the ACC and dropped out of
 the top 3 by the end of the season, but were still in the top 10 by
 NCAA time.
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From: frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov (Jim Frohnofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:26:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Library of Medicine, Bethesda Md. USA

In article <8089@news.duke.edu>, whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
|> Yeah, I guess the Big
|> Yeast gets the vote.  Syracuse was probably solid.  Was Pitt any good
|> then?

Pitt was middle of the pack, but I believe they went to the tourney.  I think
BC was the solid fifth.  Had Michael Adams (Boston College) hit his buzzer 
beater in the regional final, it would have been an all Big East final four.

Ah, the good old days, Pitino was at Providence, GOD was at BC, and UConn and 
Seton Hall were laughingstocks.

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:22:52 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <wstuartj.724200546@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu>, wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:
>JAZZY: YOU'RE A PIG!
>Can't we just get this Jazzy J Jerk to shut up????? Obviously, Jazzy
>hates Hurley and will refute anything good that anyone says about him.  I'm 
>really getting sick of you disagreeing with everything that anyone says.  

Well, sir, Jazzy and I were having a nice, informative debate until you 
decided to insult him when you weren't getting your way.  Jazzy at no point
said he hates Hurley, he just doesn't think he'll be as successful **right
away** in the NBA as I do.  He's been presenting strong arguments based on
fact to present his opinion.  If this bothers you, that's your problem.
As for me, it just inspires me to do a little more research into the NBA's
point guards to come up with a counter-argument or two.  Sure, it's only
sports and not the meaning of life or anything, but being informed, being able
to construct and defend arguments, and not throwing a tantrum when someone
disagrees with you are all good skills to have.
  Also, you must be a rookie, because otherwise you would know that Jazzy is
one of the most polite and informative posters around.  
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Rhode Island - Brown
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:49:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

Would someone please post the score of the Rhode Island - Brown
game played last night?  Our Atlanta newspapers didn't list it.

Mucho thanks.

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