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From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: * * M U S I C * *
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:11:00 GMT

chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Norman Chiu) writes:

>You can start by trying out anything from the record label GRP.  This record
>company records and produces exclusively Modern Jazz music, and it ALWAYS
>use full digital recording (the DDD symbol on your compact disc) so the quality
				 ^^^
>of the recordings is the best.
		      ^^^^^^^^
Mind you, this is not always true. I have come across some DDD's which are not
that great. And GRP is not the best recording label, though it does produce
above ordinary recordings. Some of the even "kheng" ones are (IMO):
	Windham Hill, Telarc, Wilson Audio, Chesky (one of the best)

There's another thing, not all GRP productions are DDD, only a handful are.
Most of them are ADD.

>Some of the famous artists signed with GRP are:

>Lee Ritenour - Perhaps the best jazz guiterist there is.

>Dave Grusin  - Co-founder of GRP, records great compositions

>The Rippingtons - Russ Freeman is the wizard on the synthesizers.

	David Benoit - accoustic pianist ...

>Other jazz groups to try are: the Yellow Jackets, Special Effects,
>Kenny G, George Howard, and Diane Shurre.

Some other ones are :
Earl Klugh, George Benson, Tuck Andress, John Pizzarelli, Luiz Bonfa
-- Guitarists
Dave Koz, Sadao Watanabe, Sam Riney - Saxaphonists
David Chesky - Pianist
Flim & the BB's - Electronic Jazz (on DMP label)

>-Norman
>"Be kind to each other"

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From: v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The fifth tin wong
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

well, i am not exactly old, im 21, but he is 17, so everytime i see his 
posters, i feel old, i guess it is also becuz i look older than him.


__________________________________
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* WINNIE LEE                     *
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* "ANDY LAU IS GOD"              *
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*________________________________*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: aspoon@ee.ualberta.ca (Alvin Poon)
Subject: Looking for Sam Wai in Montreal
Keywords: montreal sam wai
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:40:09 GMT


Dear netters,

Does anybody here know a Sam Wai in Montreal, Canada?  I believe he should
be in McGill or something like that.  If you do, could you send me an
e-mail?  Thanks in advance.

Alvin
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: vcsc601@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Lonely Boy)
Subject: Video Tapes needed.
Originator: vcsc601@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:31:52 GMT

Could anybody tell me where can I buy some video tapes of classi-
cal dancing around bay area? Thank you.
From: albee@ahkcus.Eng.Sun.COM (Dennis Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Real HK NEWS (Request!!)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 00:35:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ahkcus

In article <ldoh7aINNsn9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> likcheng@micron.Eng.Sun.COM (L. Cheng) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.153755.2874@nic.csu.net> kenwong@futon.SFSU.EDU writes:
>>Hi 
>>I wonder can someone in HK post the local news on this net, I knew that
>>someone in HKU did that before, I hope someone else could do that too, just
>>type in some of news from the local newspaper. let us who in oversea know
>>what's going on in HK. 
>>
>>Thanks!!!
>>
>>Kenneth
>
>Ken:
>	KTSF 26 in S.F. has weekly HK news on Sat 6:00pm. ANd channel 66 has
>HK news from Asia TV (HK) at 9:30pm M-F. Enjoy
>

The Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese in the United States (AHKCUS) provides
an electronic mailing service of Hong Kong and China News (mostly related
to serious events, not entertainment news :-)). To subscribe, send your
e-mail address to request@ahkcus.org.


-dennis
AHKCUS Coordination Secretary
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Subject: SCMP Int'l Edition on Mr. Pattern's Plan
Reply-To: yip@wsl.dec.com (Michael Yip)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:18:59 GMT

The following is from the Oct 9-15 South China Morning Post 
(Internatiional Weekly Edition) which came out today Oct 9.

I am skipping the story (too long to type) but am "cut-and-paste"'ing
the following under same SCMP's issue titled "Main Points,"  please
excuse any typo:

---------

MAIN POINTS

Electoral Reform
	Introduce single-vote, single-seat constituencies, drawn up by 
		new Boundary Commission.  
	Reduce voting age from 21 to 18.
	Revise functional constituencies to replace corporate voting
		with individual voting to enable every worker to be
		represented.  Number enforced would be expanded to 2.7
		million.
	All District Board members to be electedand increased responsibilities
		for local bodies.

Constitutional Changes
	Separate Exco and Legco with non-political Exco members helping
		to develop policies in their special areas of interest.
	Legco to elect its own president withthe Governor to be questioned
		by councillors on policies at least once a month.

Business
	Governor's Business Council to be established to ensure Hong Kong's
		continued success and to advise on a "comprehensive 
		competition policy.
	Monetary Authority to be established to ensure monetary stability.

Education
	Increase recurrent spending on education by 15.8 per cent by 1997,
		creating smaller classes and boosting teaching training. 
	Extend whole-day schooling.

Welfare
	Immeidate capital injection of $2.3 billion  to the Lotteries Fund
		and pledge to increase recurrent spending on social welfare
		by 26 per cent in real terms.

Social Security
	Fifteen per cent increase in payments for the elderly and further
		additional grants for the needy.

Health
	Increase recurrent spending on health care by 22 per cent, providing
		an extra 4,200 hospital beds, opening 13 clinics and ex-
		panding 11 clinics.

Housing
	Relief to sandwich class through the purchase of 1,000 flats bought
		from the private sector.  
	Almost 60 per cent to own their own homes by 1997.

Environment
	Injection of $3 billion to start work on sewage strategty, which
		will be funded by users.

---------	
	


======================================================================
Michael E. Yip
Digital Equipment Corporation	Internet: yip@wsl.dec.com
Western Software Laboratory	UUCP: ...decwrl!wsl.enet.dec.com!yip
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From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:16:09 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Oct10.085339.5303@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:

[original question about why overseas students become Christians and 
join fellowship groups]

>1. Such religious groups are fast track to get contact with people when
>   being alone overseas.
>2. Alone sometime => lonely and bored.

That may be true initially but if contact with people was the only
motive then I doubt if they will last.  It is not easy being a
Christian.  It doubly hard when your family (parents) are not.
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: lgc@doc.ic.ac.uk (L G Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Friends
Date: 16 Oct 1992 22:16:50 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak9.doc.ic.ac.uk

Dear friends,
		We are a group of Hong Kong students at Imperial College,
University of London. We would like to know some friends who are 18 to 25 
around the world.
		Here are our host 
		1. Karl Chan	lgc@doc.ic.ac.uk   or   lgc@ee.ic.ac.uk
		2. Evelign Wong hew@ee.ic.ac.uk
		3. Judith AuYoung   hyja@ee.ic.ac.uk

		We are waiting......................................



Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs921018@ariel.yorku.ca (NELSON A REATEGUI)
Subject: Simplified Chars
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:05:52 GMT

I too am learning Chinese at the University Level, and unfortunately
I too am learning the simplified chars. When I took the 1st year
chinese course 2 years ago, I made a plea to the teacher to teach us
the original characters. She gave me this speech about language 
reforms . blah, blah, blah....
 
   So I had no choice but to teach myself the original chars...Luckily
my 2nd year chinese teacher allowed me to do my assignments in original
chars, but he warned me to stick to one form or else, marks will be
taken offf....Now that I'm third year chinese, its back to the
simplified...argh...self teaching again.
 
In my opinion, It is best to learn both forms. But if given a
choice I would take the Original chars anytime...
 
Nelson.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: shl1@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Steven Lee)
Subject: Re: Weekly Love Story -- No. 1
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:57:30 GMT

ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:

>> Are you suggesting POLYGAMY????
>> 
>> If so, I really feel sorry for your wife....
>> 

>	** Thanks, but please don't.

>	   Historically, many women encourage their husband to
>	   have more wives. Do you understand why would they
>	   do that? 

Yup.  Because many men and woemn are either incapable of loving their mates or
are not loved by their mates, they have to turn to others for the much-needed
love.

When a couple are in really in love, his/her mate should be the only thing
that matters in the entire universe.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear last time.  I meant I feel sorry for either
you or your wife because if you are thinking of polygamy, one of you is 
definitely not being loved sufficiently....

Steven Lee

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810)
Subject: Re: Acts of love
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:28:00 GMT

In article <7206@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong) writes...
> 
>How true.   Love is about giving, not taking.  I learned that the hard way.
> 
>But usually it's so much easy to say than to do it.   
> 
>Ray
> 
> 
>-- 
>Raymond K. Wong                                 
>E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
>E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
>other:  70724.1416@Compuserve.com                            /2./<.vV.          

 I 100% agree with you!

 Tony Chan cosc180f@jetson.uh.edu
From: ptcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Peter Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Search a way to give birth to a son?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 23:50:07 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: ptcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Peter Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117
Keywords: method, son

In article <1992Oct14.042050.11952@usl.edu> lhn1935@usl.edu (Ng Lap H) writes:
>In article <1bfiu4INN1u7@roche.csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
>
>...stuff deleted.
>
>>The chance of getting a girl is 50%.
>>
>>The chance of getting a first girl and a second girl is 50% * 50% = 25%
>>
>>The chance of getting a 1st girl and a 2nd girl and a 3rd girl is 50% * 50% *50%
>>= 12.5% and so on.
>>
>>However, I know of a family with 11 daughters and still trying. Good luck!
>>
>>Derek
>
>Wrong. After you have already got 5 daughters, your chance of having a son
>is still 50% (if the chance of having a son is 50% originally).
>
>That's why after being 'big' for 10 games (gambling 'big' and 'small'), the 
>chance of being 'big' is still high for the next game. The reason is the new
>game is 'independent' of the previous games after previous games have finished.
>
>- Anson Ng.

First, I would like to challenge the assumption that
 the chance of getting a girl = 50%

The fact that the outcome can only be male or female does not necessarily
mean that the odds for getting a male or female baby is 50/50 for every
pregnacy. I wish some medical student can correct what I saying. 

(1) the mother has nothing to do in determining the gender of the baby.

(2) The sperms produced that determine the gender do not have a 50-50 distribution.
    Man will have a higher distribution for one kind over the other at 
    any particular time. The trick may be to increase the distribution towards the bias
    that you want. It could be through diet, or vitamin (wish it were so easy).

(3) I have heard the 'male' sperm has a shorter life span than the 'female' sperm
    and 'swims' faster than their 'female' counterpart.
    That means that you have to time your intercourse right. If it is performed too
    early before the egg is fully developed, the odds for getting a boy is 
    diminished since some of the 'male' sperm may not lived to fertilize
    sucessfully. If the intercourse is done right on time, the 'male' sperms
    probably will beat the 'female' ones to the egg. 

So, there are at least two areas where you can tilt the odds in your favor.
I have also seen a book titled something like "You can determine the gender of
you baby." in a grocery store, but never checked it out. 

Peter Chan
From: u1040448@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (C Ma)
Subject: Re:  Stupidest HK babes (Re: Hottest HK babes)
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, UNSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.215841.21179@cs.brown.edu> cs123057@cs.brown.edu (Chainsaw) writes:

>
>|> 2. Pauline Chan 
>
>Who the hell is Pauline Chan?
>



I think Pauline Chan is Chan Bo Lin, the Class III movies actress, who is only
19 years old...

Chibi
From: c60b-1hm@e260-3g.berkeley.edu (Leo Fu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Passport Expiration
Date: 10 Oct 1992 00:07:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: e260-3g.berkeley.edu
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: * * M U S I C * *
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:54:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Yeah, Dave Grusin is good.

I also have one of Jean-Michel Jarre's Rendezvous (oh, an old thing) and
it's quite interesting how he fixed new age electronic funky music with
jazz.  I do a lot of computer music and some jazz and that album was a bit
of an inspiration.

Ray
-- 
Raymond K. Wong                                 
E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
E-mail: sm/pgh/ray%sm@mcimail.com                                       
other:  70724.1416@Compuserve.com                            /2./<.vV.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Question about Macao
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:17:13 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1bj940INNs2d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) writes:
>
>I was talking to my Asian Studies major professor about jobs in the Far
>East, and mentioned that if I were working in HK, I'd prefer to live in
>Macao and take the ferries across and back every day.  He looked
>thoughtful, and allowed that it might be a good idea, since once away from
>the casinos Macao is quieter and less frenetic than HK, and rents are
>probably lower.
>
>Could anybody out there help me out?  I'd like to know whether a US citizen
>working in HK could get permission to live in Macao, and also anything
>about available living quarters would be nice.
>
>Xie-xie!

This is impossible and you wouldn't want to do it.  First it costs
a lot of time to commute and second it costs a lot of money to
commute.  Even if you take the fastest ferries, it takes an hour
and the price, of course, is very high.  If you have are in middle
class, earning something like HK$10,000 to $15,000 per month and
work days in HK is about 25 days per month.  Costs is about 
25x(about $80)x2 = $4000.  The hour time is excluding waiting for
the ferry and time from Central to your work place.
If you take slower ferry which is about $40 each way, it will take
you close to 2 hours for one way.  Add the cost to your rent in
Macau and you could rent some decent place in HK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What about JAZZ!
From: g25@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:44:33 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Let's make jazz music be loved by everyone!  Here are the basics:

Background:    developed by American negro groups in the early 20th

instrument:    piano, different kinds saxes, guitar, synthesizer
               trumpet & drum

types     :    traditional (blues, ragtime, swing), modern, pop

To a beginner, modern and pop jazz are good to start with.  I 
personally like Kenny G, especially the CD "Kenny G Live", 
Going Home, Silhouette & Songbird are my all-time favorites. 
The English pop jazz group, "Swing out sisters" is one of my
favorite groups too.

To some classical fans, they might find that ragtime piano 
would be a good option, my suggestion to this type is "Maple
Leaf Rag" by Scott Joplin.

About the tradition ones, actually I did not really go into it.
I tend to listen to modern jazz.  Once a while, I'll listen to
Harry Connick Jr., the CD "Blue Light, Red Light" is a
combination of jazz basics and swing.

In U.S.A., there is a very good CD call "I like Jazz!" by various
artists which is a terrific introduction to people from all walks
of life.

"A for apple, B for boy ........... M for music ..........."

Michelle
From: dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Search a way to give birth to a son?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 23:11:04 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com
Keywords: method, son

In article <1992Oct14.042050.11952@usl.edu>, lhn1935@usl.edu (Ng Lap H) writes:
|> In article <1bfiu4INN1u7@roche.csl.sri.com> dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:
|> 
|> ...stuff deleted.
|> 
|> >The chance of getting a girl is 50%.
|> >
|> >The chance of getting a first girl and a second girl is 50% * 50% = 25%
|> >
|> >The chance of getting a 1st girl and a 2nd girl and a 3rd girl is 50% * 50% *50%
|> >= 12.5% and so on.
|> >
|> >However, I know of a family with 11 daughters and still trying. Good luck!
|> >
|> >Derek
|> 
|> Wrong. After you have already got 5 daughters, your chance of having a son
|> is still 50% (if the chance of having a son is 50% originally).
|> 
|> That's why after being 'big' for 10 games (gambling 'big' and 'small'), the 
|> chance of being 'big' is still high for the next game. The reason is the new
|> game is 'independent' of the previous games after previous games have finished.
|> 
|> - Anson Ng.

Ok ok..... I know... it's my mistake and I am going back to check my 
combinatorics books. I am looking for a "hole to hide". Anyway, stop sending
me e-mail. 

:-)

Derek

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cs921018@ariel.yorku.ca (NELSON A REATEGUI)
Subject: Re: why alan tam cant sing
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:29:03 GMT

In article <Bw3Bx2.2qF@acsu.buffalo.edu> v050qh6y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SYS$LOGIN:SIGNATURE.TXT) writes:
>this is in response to my original posting about bad singers, real singers.
>alan tam has really good songs, esapecially in the eighties, but he cant 
>sing that well.  he doesnt deserve that much credit.  watch 91 top ten 

He's not getting that much credit anyways...Its been a long time since
he won those award thingies...

>songs video.  alan tam sings in the end with 4 tin wongs and grasshopper.  
>alan lip syncs through the whole thing and all of them sang his songs 
>better than he did, especially hacken lee and grasshopper.  grasshopper 

I agree Hacken has a good voice. Same with the guys from grasshopper. But the
Tin wongs....!?!?!?!(Jackie Cheung excluded)

>definitely sang "love trap"  better than he did.  im not saying that alan 
>is a bad singer, he just doesnt deserve as much credit as they give him.
>plus he forgot his words in the video and they covered for him when he sang 
>a wrong line.


The number of albums Alan Tam released exceed those of Grasshopper and
Hacken by leaps and bounds. So I think we can forgive him if he
forgets a line or two. He has alot of songs to remember.

>
>__________________________________
>*                                *
>* WINNIE LEE                     *
>* V050QH6Y@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  *
>* "ANDY LAU IS GOD"              *
>*              ^^^               *
>*________________________________*

Hmmmmm....Fascinating.
 
Nelson.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: God vs Democracy
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:55:45 GMT

God vs Democracy

God dictated bible.
Bible dictated us.
Authoritarian.

We select bible.
Bible select God.
Democracy.

This is not a two way street.
Can anyone suggest me a direction?
From: s907459@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Ka Wo Anthony Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:29:51 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

ylam@fraser.sfu.ca (Yau Ha Elina Lam) writes:

>cosc180f@rosie.uh.edu (92F06810) writes:

>     My DREAM car is the Lotus Elan... 1.6 litre DOHC inline four with turbo
>charge, 165 HP, 0-60mph time of 6.7 sec.  The fibreglass body weighs only 
>2250lb.  It isn't the most powerful car in existent, but its design is so
>beautiful and sensible... makes one think that adding or taking off of an
>inch anywhere on the car would make it look less pretty.  I am just madly
>in love with it!

Impressive indeed. There's a poor man's ELan, the Mazda MX-5. Anyone drive
it before?

>On one occasion (which was my first date with my dream girl) I rented the
>car for a day to pick her up to dinner.  Yes, my dream girl in my dream 
>car!!!  I have never driven another sports car so I can't make a comparison.
>All I can say is that comparing to my lowly Jetta, the car is very powerful.
>Acceleration and handling is incredible.

Is that the car or the girl you in love with?  ;)

>     When I first saw this car in June this year in Hong Kong, I was thinking
>that I may be able to save enough money in a few years to buy it.  The price
>of the car is about $42,000 US, which I think is grossly overpriced even though
>the car is hand-built.  What I didn't know is that the car was already out of

Don't forget Government tax, too.  They try to reduce the number of cars
in HK by taxing heavily.

Anthony.
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