HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:05:09 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Dec14.142936.868@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:

| The Heisman is for the best PLAYER, not the best LEADER on a team that would
| win WITHOUT him.


The Heisman is not for the best Player.  They only give it to QB's, RB's and
WR's.  They should just give the Heisman to the first player taken in the 
NFL draft.  The Heisman has turned into a beauty pagent, where the College
puts out PR and toys to promote their guy.   I can still remember all the
people at BYU wearing the Ties.

| Look for Faulk in the NFL.  Look for Torretta in the CFL, or maybe doing
| something related to whatever degree he received at Miami.  If he DOES go
| to the NFL, he will be about as successful as that other Miami Heisman 
| quarterback.  Maybe he'll help Vinny keep the Tampa franchise where it is
| so accustomed to being.

The newspaper said that Gino will get about one million dollars because of
the Heisman.  Torretta will play a few years in the NFL.  Maybe he will come
back to coach The Miami Hurricanes to their 15th National championship 
season.  Florida's only Heisman Steve Spurrier was a total washout in the NFL.
Gino knows football, he will make a great coach someday.  BTW, Vinny won
the Heisman at Miami.
From: ching@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason R Heminger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:58:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Cherry Bowl

	The Cherry Bowl was held at the Pontiac Silverdome in Pontiac, MI.
I saw the very first Cherry Bowl in person, I believe there were only 2 or 3
before they canned the idea.  
	As I recall, It was either Navy or Army versus Michigan State.
I remember that Michigan State lost, I wonder if anyone can post the
scores of the few Cherry Bowls that were held.
	As far as the Bluebonnet bowl is concerned, I am not sure, but
I seem to believe that it was in Alabama for some reason, i'm not sure
though.


*******************************************************************************
*                          						      *
*                The Logistician reigns supreme!!!			      *
*  									      *
*  GO TIGERS!!  GO LIONS!!  GO PISTONS!!  GO RED WINGS!!  GO BLUE!!           *
*									      *
*                  G  O    D  E  T  R  O  I  T  !  !                          *
*									      *
*******************************************************************************
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update III
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:34:45 GMT
Organization: GSP

In article <Bz3xnH.96D@austin.ibm.com> jpd@austin.ibm.com writes:
]>The same situation happened at BYU with Detmer.  All they did was pass,
]>pass, and pass some more, while Detmer racked up a few 500-yard passing
]>games.
]
]>---Rsk
]
]>Rob Jordan
]
]This is a pretty cheap shot at Detmer (and the WAC in general). [...]

Excuse me, but I did not write the lines above (about Detmer).  Please
be more careful with attributions in the future.

---Rsk
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Heisman and Fishing (was Re: U of Miami announces the Heisman winner)
Keywords: neaux clues
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:24:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec12.012457.11370
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>hyderabadi writes:
>>
>>Who else.. the Lee Corso's favorite player..
>>
>>In a press guide [containing players biographies]
>>sent to the Daily Aztec, the San Diego
>>State U newspaper, the U of Miami declared GT the winner of the Heisman
>>this year. Included in all the awards given to GT over the years, right
>>along the Bob Hope Oldest Man in College Football trophy, was the Heisman.
>
>GT?
>
>Alright. I'll admit Glenn Tanner might make the r.s.f.c All-Angler list,
>but by golly he ain't no Heisman-calibur fisherman.
>
>--J.J.
>(the slaughterback gets my vote)

Why thanks JJ!  I appreciate your vote for me.  Coming from the senior
strongman at the IGK, that means a lot to me.  By the way, did I mention
that Notre Dame sucks?

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trivia answers
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:31:07 GMT
Organization: .

In article <1992Dec16.185356.4113@ra.msstate.edu> wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>1.  Bear never beat Texas, 0-2-1.
>
>2.  Georgia Tech, Sewanee, and Tulane were former SEC
>members.
>
>3.  Oldest stadium has to be Sanford Stadium in Athens.

Well how old _is_ it?

>Bill
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Sheridan announces He Stays!!!!
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:43:54 GMT


Dick Sheridan announced today that he will remain at NCSU,and that 
Auburn should remove his name from the search list.

RC
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Commander In Chief
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

> When was the last time Air Force did NOT win the
> Commander-in-chief trophy(?) ?.  I know


The home team won the Air Force-Army game at least six times in a
row at one point during the 80's, so obviously the Falcons could
not have more than split the Commander-in-Chief's trophy three of
those years.


It is interesting that Navy almost won the the trophy this season, 
which would have more than compensated for an otherwise woeful year.


Lost to Air Force on a last minute field goal after an Air Force
fumble was incorrectly disallowed by the officials. The director
of officiating took the unusual step after the game of admitting the
error, and apologizing for it.

Lost to Army on a last second field goal after leading 17-0. 
---
 . DeLuxe. 1.21 #11688 . al.sorhaindo@execnet.com
                                                                                                       
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 quiz
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:21:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.140906.20149@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>,
conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) queries:

> But why would anyone actually want to get on Hwy 6 anyway? :)

> Paul (happiness really is Lubbock, Texas in my rearview mirror) Conditt

Hwy 6 is probably one of the easier ways to get out of College Station.

I still have fond memories of the the CS city limit sign in my rear
view...

James - very fond
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bderolf@encore.com (Brad DeRolf)
Subject: Re: More Rumors (Dennis Erikson This Time)
Reply-To: bderolf@encore.com (Brad DeRolf)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:45:03 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

>In article <wsM=gWA@engin.umich.edu> chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>>
>>
>>	Last night, ESPN reported that Tom Flores of Seattle Seahawks
>>is still trying to court Dennis Erikson to take the coaching job back
>>in his home town, after an unsucessful attempt last year.  But the 
>>biggest stumpling block is that Erikson will likely want lots of power 
>>in the Seahawks organization and ESPN speculates that Flores is unlikely
>>to give him that, but who knows.  
>>
>>	Any rumors down at the Miami land concerning Coach Erikson bolting
>>to the NFL?
>>
>>	Just wondering.
>>
>>- Chung Yang
>>


As I recall the "news" was broke by Fred Edlestein. Fred is all BS. I bet he
doesn't even hit %10 of his gossip type predictions. The following
is a quote from Jimmy Cefelo (former Miami Dolphin receiver) on Fred.


"Let me tell you a story about Fred Edlestein. I flew to ESPN studios
to be on Roy Firestone's program and after my segement, Fred goes on
and breaks this story about Dan Marinio being in Chicago and talking
with the Bears. I couldn't believe the story. I knew Dan was in Miami.
I'd just had diner with him before I flew to ESPN studios. So after
Fred was done, I walked up to Fred and said, "Hey what was all that
about. I just had diner with Dan......." Fred's reply was, "Hey,
lighten up Jimmy it doesn't matter if its true, they love that kind of
stuff.""

Of course none of this means that Erickson won't go to Seattle. It just means
that Fred's report has no bearing on any inpending deal.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Crown Alabama as National Champions
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Dec14.135344.22955@mlb.semi.harris.com>
	<1992Dec15.175009.18705@b11.b11.ingr.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.175009.18705@b11.b11.ingr.com> guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:

   >We have incessantly heard for the last two or three years that FSU
   >"is the best team in the nation" at the end of the season but they
   >*always* drop a game or two the following season, lessening the
   >validity of that claim.  If they are a championship calibre team, they
   >will have to prove it all season long.

I'm not an FSU fan, but I just couldn't let this one go by.  How does
dropping a game or two the NEXT season in any way affect the validity
of the claim that a team was the best team in the nation during the
preceding year?  As many others besides myself have pointed out in
this group, college football teams have a very high turnover ratio.
Seniors graduate, freshmen, sophmores and juniors take their place.
If a team is a mythical championship calibre team, they will have to
prove it all season long, but NOT NEXT SEASON.




-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Alabama????
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:36:25 GMT

In article <m0n21jk@rpi.edu>, kollur@jec320.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
writes:
> >In article <1992Dec18.154911.12083@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM
> (Mike Minihan) writes:
> >>Here are some verbal commitments here in mid-Dec. Remember,
> >>these are non-binding. These players are tops in their
> >>position.
> >>
> >>
> >>                VERBAL COMMITMENTS
> >>                ==================
> >>
> >>PLAYER              POSITION         SCHOOL-COMM
> >>------              --------         -----------
> >>
> >>Tim Carey              QB            Standford
> >>Jeff Hecklinski        QB            Illinois
> >>Rick Kaczenski         TE            Notre Dame
> >>Chris Kurpeikis        OL            Notre Dame
> >>Walt DeLong            DL            Ohio State
> >>John Dutton            QB            Texas
> >>Joel Holidat           OL            Clemson
> >>Ed Machin              OL            Iowa State
> >>Cameron Cleeland       TE            Washington
> >>Malchi Crawford        LB            ASU
> >>Travis Johnson         C             Georgia
> >>Michael Malfatt        KP            Ohio State
> >>Phil Ostrowski         DE            Penn State
> >>Heath Panks            DL            LSU
> >>Keno Shawell           RB            Maryland
> >>Justin Strand          RB-LB         Standford
> >>John Zatechka          OL            Nebraska
> >>Kit Carpenter          LB            NC State
> >>Brad Collins           DL            NC State
> >>Nate DeLong            PK            Michigan
> >>Greg Spires            LB            Florida State
> >>Duce Staleley          DB            S. Carolina
> >>
> >>
> No Alabama recruits?? I was under the impression that Bama was doing
> well with recruiting under Stallings. Anyone out there have any info
> on how the tide's doing in signing new prospects. I notice that
> they do not seem to have as many out of state players on their roster
> as they used to. The team's doing great right now but I really wish
> they could attract some good players on offense. It's been a long time
> since we had a really good QB.
> Ramana
> 
> P.S I can't believe I am complaining about a 12-0 team!!! :-)
> 


I'll keep posting them as they come in. My team has not been exactly
center ring either.

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: Heisman Trophy
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:32:53 GMT

In article <hMS=3M#@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@periphrasis.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
|> 
|> In article <101840@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> > 
|> > Hi,
|> > 
|> > I'm new to this newsgroup but I am utterly confused and would like some
|> > guidance.  I'd like to know how some like Gino Testever.. I mean
|> > Toretta could win what is arguably the most coveted award in college football?
|> > Chalk one up for the publicity agents!
|> > 
|> > Oh and I pity the pro team that takes Toretta as their "franchise QB" in next
|> > years draft...
|> > 
|> > satish nair
|> > no cool .sig.  
|> 
|> 	I hope the pro teams are smarter than to draft Toretta as their
|> "franchise QB."   They should all be going after Drew Bledsoe of Washington
|> State.  If fact, Bledsoe should be the #1 draft pick in NFL next year.
|> 
|> 	Go Seahawks!  Beat the N.E. Pats for the #1 draft pick!
|> 
|> - Chung Yang
|> > 
|> > 
|> > 
There was a informal poll done on pro scouts opinion of Gino Toretta, most
did not rank him as a very good prospect in fact he will be lucky to go in
the second round. Some of the comments about him:

-poor field vision
-product of a very good system
-generally throws the ball up for grabs
-very good receivers on the team tend to bail him out

-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: henders@infonode.ingr.com (Greg Henderson)
Subject: Re: Gene Stallings - Coach of the Year
Keywords: Football Stallings Style
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:50:17 GMT

guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:
>    Wait a minute!  This can't be!  The guy everyone wrote off as a loser?  The
>one they said "Alabama deserved for running off Curry" because he would "take
>them down the tubes where they belong"?  Where *are* all of those people now?

Well, I was one of those people, but it didn't take very many games to 
realize that ol' Hootie actually made a good choice...

>I know, I know, they are all suddenly Miami fans (before that Florida fans,
>before that Auburn fans, before that Mississippi State fans, before that Tennessee
>fans...) looking for a shred of proof that Stallings' record is a fluke.  It must
>truely be a bitter pill for them to swallow that a "Losing coach" like that at
>the helm of the worst 21 - 0 team in the history of the game has *earned* a shot
>at the National Championship.

Just hold on a sec there hoss...   Did you "all suddenly" become a Bama fan
when they started winning again after a few dry years???   Maybe that's the
way you think, but myself I have always been, am, and will be an AU fan during
the good years and the bad years.   I would think that most of those that
you alluded to feel the same that I do for their respective team.

And contrary to your probable belief we are not all hoping Bama will fall
flat on its collective face in the Sugah Bowl either.  I personally hope 
that Bama kicks  Hurricane ass all over the field, as I will pull for any SEC
team over someone else , even if it is AU's biggest rival.  Although 
tirades like yours really make me think about pulling the other way,
I guess I can ignore them...

And besides, it'd take an awful lotta woofing to get more arrogant than a 
Miami fan, wouldn't it???   :)

And even though I'll not hear the end of it for a whole nother year, 
I can say a little 'roll tide' for this one game...if I really
squinch my eyes up and grit my teeth so hard they crackle, yeah
I think I can do it.  ;)

WAR EAGLE!!! (andI hope we get a good coach like Stallings has turned out to be)

Greg


>--
>Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
>		  "All I need is a pint a day"
-- 

Greg Henderson   henders@infonode.ingr.com   ...uunet!ingr!infonode!henders
From: jdavidso@teknowledge.com (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--Media Bias Summary
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:11:02 GMT
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division
In-reply-to: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov's message of 15 Dec 92 23:42:00 GMT

In article <15DEC199218424619@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:

> The one we've all been waiting for (at least I have).  The one to start the 
> endless Media Bias Debate up again, which will sustain us all off-season.  
> Then again, Cal has no argument this year, so maybe it will be quiet after 
> all.  Anyway, here are my results.  My notes weren't as complete as they 
> ought to be, but here are the weekly winners as best as I could reconstruct.

> Media Bias Winners		Weeks Won
 ......


> Media Bias Losers		Weeks Lost
> -----------------		----------
> Arizona State			**
> Memphis State			**
> Michigan			1
> Washington St			1
> Oregon			1
> Stanford			1
> Washington			1
> Kansas			2
> Ohio State			3
> California			4

> ** Bowl Selection Bias losers (Leftover Bowl teams)

> Doesn't look regional to me.

Hmm...  Did I miss a :-) here? 

I don't want to reopen the media bias debate, but it looks to me 
like 6 of the 10 "Media Bias Losers" are in the Pac-10.  What that
might mean is a question of interpretation, but there certainly
is a regional flavor to the list.

-Jim

f
o
d
d
e
r
From: kwt7451@zeus.tamu.edu (TRAPP, KEVIN W)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Places to party in Dallas??
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:36 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
Keywords: Cotton Bowl
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <17DEC199210452399@sn.jsc.nasa.gov>, weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes...
>I will be attending the Cotton Bowl and would like to know where the best 
>places to go on New Years Eve would be??  West End.. others.. any new *hot 
>spots*?  Thanks in advance from a Houston native (Oilers & Pokes in SB!...
>it could happen).
> 
>GIG'EM  AGS!!!
> 
>Mark Weyland
>Texas A&M University - Class of '88

I would recommend the West End since most of the A&M/ND partying will be
going on around there.  I have not heard for sure but I imagine YELL PRACTICE
will be at Union Station (like last year) which is walking distance from
West End.  There are some good bars/clubs in Deep Ellum and on Greenville
Ave. but they are a little farther away and I don't know about you but I
don't plan on being in any condition to drive on that night.  There are
quit a few hotels (Hyatt,Fairmont,etc.) downtown but if you haven't already
made reservations you are probable out of luck.  BTW, I like your prediction
for the SB!

GIG'EM AGS!!!

Kevin Trapp - Class of '93

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 quiz
Summary: I knew it...
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:49:18 GMT

In article <1gqrlsINNjv1@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:
>In article <BzDC8o.EnE@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
>>--PLH (for the SWC, it goes from west to east: Lubbock, Austin, Waco, Ft.
>>Worth, Dallas, College Station, and Houston...:-)
>
>Fort Worth is slightly west of Waco.

The Rand McNally says you're right.  Oh, well, Waco *looks* like it's pretty
far out west -- or maybe it just feels like it, after that long drive up 6
from Houston...

>- goober (fort worth: where the west begins
>          dallas: where the east peters out) smith

...and Mineral Wells, which isn't the end of the world -- but you can see it
from there.  :-)

--PLH, that'll teach me to make a wrong turn in Goldthwaite...

-- 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kollur@jec320.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: Trivia Answers
Keywords: Bear, SEC, and Oldest Stadium
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.183133.25006@b11.b11.ingr.com> jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>The answers to my trivia Questions:
>
>
> 3.  Who has the oldest on campus stadium (I don't know the answer)?
>
>  Still don't know.  Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kyle Field and Notre Dame's have been
>  mentioned.  Only Kyle Field has been presented with proof to back up their
>  claim.

I remember looking this up in a sports alamanac and Georgia Tech (1917)
seemed like the oldest around atleast for Div I A schools. 

Bonus Question: Who has the *newest* on-campus stadium of all Div 1A schools?

Ramana

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Terry Bowden
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:46:22 GMT

From some sources I know close to the Auburn program I hear
that the only two coaches that won't be mentioned in the NCAA
letter due to be released by the university in February (as
ordered by the court) are Tommy Bowden and Pat Sullivan.  Of 
course, Sullivan is already gone and Bowden could be on the way
out if his brother truly is to be head coach and offensive 
coordinator.  That could mean that AU has all new faces in
the coaching staff next year.

Also of note from a wire story today in the Jackson Clarion-
Ledger:

    Bobby Bowden said he has no desire to schedule Auburn again,
sons or no sons.
    "They might want to play their old man, but I don't want to
play them," he said.  "We've got all we can handle.  I don't
want a doggone Auburn."

As an avid Auburn fan, I must breath a sigh of relief.  Although
Auburn has the upperhand through the years, we don't want no
doggone Florida State.  

Finally, as to Terry Bowden saying when they hired him as coach they
also hired their offensive coordinator, what will happen to Tommy? 
According to Bobby Bowden, "I would think Tommy would have the opportunity
to stay right where he is."

Bill

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college