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From: plunkett@snips.harvard.edu (Marianne Plunkett-Prestwich)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Sale4.0 for Sale in Boston
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:02:53 GMT
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy - Harvard Medical School
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: snips.dfci.harvard.edu

*******SAIL for SALE*****in BOSTON AREA*****

4.0 North "Dave Ezzy Design" WAVE Slalom SAIL 

It is an RAF / Single Cam Convertible (1989)

Excellent Shape!!! I am selling because I do not have any other flex top
sails in my quiver and would like to stick to constant curve masts.

Price: $90.00 or B.O.

Respond via e-mail or phone

e-mail: plunkett@tpc1.dfci.harvard.edu  (you may use other address listed but
					I read this account more)
work phone (617) 732-3727

P.S.  I am always looking for cold weather sailing partners for Boston/Cape
	area.  Kind of tough getting that drysuit zipper open/close alone.
From: moni@siemens.com. (Monica Hutchins)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: small chop hops
Summary: small chop hops
Keywords: hops
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:11:04 GMT




I accidentally shot my board up off the face of a tiny wave while
sailing on a lake.  I've since watched Short Board II (Gorge Productions)
and have a good idea as to what happened. Would I be nuts to try to launch
the board on purpose? It's an 11' 3" board (Mistral Escape). For many 
reasons, I don't own a shortboard yet.

Are even small jumps dangerous to big boards?

If I were successful in getting the board in the air again, 
am I asking for major injuries?

Is it "impossible" for 125lb person to control 190 liter board
while its in the air? To get the board in the air? (I was way 
overpowered the one time it happened).
From: wiltonh@biker.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Is there Baja wind in December?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:18:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekgen.1413
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


The wind in Baja depends on how dry it has been.  If Baja is having a dry year
or maybe two or three in a row, the wind will be good.  The reason for this is
the inland lakes.  If they have a wet year the lakes fill up with water.  As
the inland heats up during the day the water evaporates and keeps the land
much cooler.  If there has not been any rain for a while the lakes are dry 
and they act as desert.  The inland heats up and pulls the marine air off the
ocean.  You then have good wind.

Several years ago I talked to a farmer who had received no rain in 5 years or
so.  He was just about ready to loose his cows.  This makes good wind.

From what I have heard about the weather, there has been lots of water in Baja
this year.  My guess is that the wind will not be very good this year.  

Some one should get the rain fall figures for La Paz, Santiago and San Jose
del Cabo and put them on the net.  You would also need the average figures 
because Saniago is the only inland city and the others probably get rain each
year.  

The water temperature changes a lot from year to year.  I have been to Baja
and Northern Mexico probably 10 to 15 times.  Some years you can swim in the 
water without a wetsuit and some years it is just too cold.  You could get
an idea of this by looking at the high and low temperature for a few weeks 
before you left the states.
From: hwd@kansas.nynexst.com (Heather Desurvire)
Subject: For Sale: 2-Piece Mast ******  CHEAP
Originator: hwd@kansas
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:55:39 GMT


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				For Sale
				

		Mast - 2 piece 
			* made by BIC 
			* Epoxy
			* Purple

Was selling for %75, but will sell for $50 obo

Call 	(914) 644-2757 day   
	(914) 921-1248 eve

	hwd@nynexst.com

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From: schofiel@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Jeremy Schofield)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:00:24 GMT
Subject: Bonzer boards ?
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I recently read a news-blurb about the Gorge Animal Bonzer boards.  I'm
pretty interested in the concept.   If any anyone has had a chance to try
one out, what's the deal ?   How do they handle ?

Jeremy
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:27:22 GMT

In article <Bw0Czy.Lv8@cs.vu.nl> ekoperen@cs.vu.nl (Koperen van EB) writes:
>bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:
>
>>I like the forsale adds too. They give you an idea of how much used
>>equipment goes for. This is the kind of info you can use locally when
>>shopping around.
>
>>bruno.
>
>OK but how about this:
>I live in Europe ( Holland to be precise ), and i do get these messages too.
>WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT? don't expect me to buy a board sold in the US.
>
>Personaly I don't mind reading those forsale articles, i can skip them if i 
>want to, can't i? ,but people with some inteligence will see that it 
>doesn't harm if you don't post outside your continent.
>


Intelligence has nothing to do with it!!! Has anybody seen my posting
explaining the misnomer about the distribution field? I'll say it again.
The distribution DOES NOT RESTRICT circulation unless the particular
site excludes articles from a specific distribution area. 

Now, I used "na" as my distribution. Will someone from overseas PLEASE post in
reply to this article. This will prove it got outside of the "na" distribution.
I've seen articles from "ba", "ne", etc here in "nj". So stop complaining.
Use the "skip article" key of your news program to avoid reading what you
don't care about.

-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: North Flex Top vs. Constant Curve again
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:15:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.windsurfing, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:

> I have the 1993 "North Sails News" in front of me and it seems that now
> North has 5 different flex curve classifications. The mast that I'm using
> now (that I found to be optimal with my Gamma 5.5 and Infinity 5.0) has
> "Mast Curve 2". Of course the new sails may require different masts, but
> according to North, MC2 is ok for the Infinity 5.0 and Prisma 5.0. For the
> 5.5, the recommend MC3 or MC4.

	It looks like North is making the switch to constant curve.
	Their wave sails are calling for constant curve while their
	race sails are calling for "in between" curve ala Sailworks.
	
	I only looked at one size of each model at the trade show.  
	I didn't realize that they had different mast recommendations 
	for different sizes within a model.  That doesn't sound like a 
	good idea to me.

	tom.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: axel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Mahler)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in the Greek Islands??
Organization: /home/stone/axel/.organization
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:34:38 GMT

In article <5354@sumax.seattleu.edu> bedard@sumax.seattleu.edu (Duane Bedard) writes:
   ...
   So international travelers, whats the deal here?  Was this just a strange
   occurence of wind in a normally dead area?  Does anybody do high wind (at
   least 15 kts) sailing in the Greek islands?  If so are there places to rent
   quality boards which I missed?  Which islands are the windiest? 

You definitely missed places. I've spent most of my windsurfing 
vacations in Greece. Some very good spots are on Rhodes. There are
a couple of spots with perfect side shore winds (moderate waves) very
close to Rhodes-City (good choice of hotels; F2 Pro-Center). There is 
also a very good wave riding spot at the southmost part of the island
(Prassonissi). The best winds are from April to June. The engine is the
meltemi wind system, coming very constant and reliably from the mainland
and crossing through most of the Agaeis (sp?). In April/May the wind
is often over 6 Bft (goes up to 8 Bft).

Mikonos is another island with a very good windsurfing reputation.
I've never been there, though. I considered spending my summer
vacation there after reading a flier that Mikonos experiences winds of
at least 5 Bft for more than 20 days/month - even in August. There are
at least two windsurfing stations on Mikonos.

Cheers, Axel.
--
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E-Mail: axel@cs.tu-berlin.de (axel@db0tui62.bitnet)
Voice: +49-30-314-73487
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:45:58 GMT
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I like the forsale adds too. They give you an idea of how much used
equipment goes for. This is the kind of info you can use locally when
shopping around.

bruno.

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: nickn@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Nick_Nikov)
Subject: Re: NewZealand windsurf guide updated
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:24:52 GMT

In article <1687E11587.EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.234304.12591@am.dsir.govt.nz>
>srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding) writes:
> 
>>                        For those not familiar with New Zealand it is
>>just below and to the left of Australia ......
>                       ****
> 
>I remember being told that New Zealanders and Australians oriented
>their maps and globes with south to the top (so that they would be
>"on top" rather than "underneath,") but this is the first confirmation
>from a native!

Not really, we compensate by walking upside down...otherwise we fall off.
-- 
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Australian Graduate School of Management,	Tel: 61 2 931 9263
P.O. Box 1, Kensington. N.S.W. 2033.		Fax: 61 2 662 7621
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Re: the courceracer is dead?
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:59:08 GMT

In article <12600395@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
|> In rec.windsurfing, stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen) writes:
|> >
|> > Next year you might see several cource slalom boards beat the Equipe in
|> > marginal conditions in the funboard class (wind limit 11 knots before start,
|> > and not under 9 knots during the race).
|> 
|> 	I just read that the wind minimum for racing is being lowered.
|> 	The new wind minimum will be 9 knots.  If there has been no
|> 	racing during an event, the minimum on the last day will be 
|> 	lowered to 7 knots.  
|> 
|> 	Another change will be with course layouts.  New layouts will
|> 	be more diverse with mark positioning primarily with spectators
|> 	in mind.  
|> 
|> 	This will most probably bring back the course board to pro racing.  
|> 	I don't know which organization or how widespread these changes are,
|> 	but THE major US race - the Corpus Christi US Open - will be this
|> 	way.
|> 
|> 	tom.
Thank you for the information.

We use IYRU's rules, including appendix 2 for the funboard class, in Norway.
The European Championship, the World Championship and the World Cup use
IFCA's rules. Both have the same wind limit (9 knots minimum and 11 knots in
average)) and I doubt they are going to lower this limit. The opposite is
more likely!

(N-555) Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north :-)
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/// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
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From: bob@elan.Elan.COM (Bob Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Wanted: Wave Sails
Keywords: Wave
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:30:42 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

I am looking for two used wave sails.  I am interested in a 4.0 and
a 4.5, or something close to those sizes.

If you any to sell, please e-mail to me directly.

Bob


Bob Taylor				
Elan Computer Group, Inc.		
888 Villa St 					PH: 415-964-2200
Mountain View, CA 94041 			FAX: 415-964-8588
United States of America 			e-mail: bob@elan.com
From: bedard@sumax.seattleu.edu (Duane Bedard)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Windsurfing in the Greek Islands??
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:15:22 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA


Howdy fellow boardheads,

This September I had the pleasure of spending two week on the Greek Islands
of Siros, Mikonos and Santorini.  While I had a simply blissful time there
was one major point of frustration - Everywhere I went the wind was blowing at
least 15 kts and on some occasions it was 20+ kts and yet I never saw any
sailors on the water and no real rental outfits.  I did find one beach where
a guy was renting chairs next to a mid 1980s vintage poly log which his friend
normally rents, however his friend packed up and went home because it was too
windy!  I did see a few cars with short boards in Athens but could never catch
anyone to ask where they sailed.

So international travelers, whats the deal here?  Was this just a strange
occurence of wind in a normally dead area?  Does anybody do high wind (at
least 15 kts) sailing in the Greek islands?  If so are there places to rent
quality boards which I missed?  Which islands are the windiest?   I would
love to hear from anybody who has ever windsurfed in the area.  Thanks!

---
Duane Bedard
(206) 463-6190
From: dbg@natinst.com (Donny Goff)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: wxmap update
Date: 7 Oct 1992 11:18:51 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <1992Oct7.143519.1626@walter.bellcore.com> ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com writes:
>I know that preformatted gifs are available from various sites, so
>one alternative would be for someone to post a script file that
>would automatically retrieve the latest one with the wind speeds,
>isobars, and radar map. I don't know if there are gifs generated
>...
>(Also busy as hell.) Any ideas?
>Ned
>ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com

   Well, I've got a script that ftp's the most recent Surface Analysis
from the VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU server.  I've modified it to do two ftp
transfers since I can't look at the picture until I get it from the
UNIX machine onto my local PC.  It's pretty short, so I'll include it
for those who want it.  Note that you can modify it to retrieve the
Visible and Infrared Satellite maps as well (I don't 'cause they're
big and don't have as much information in them).
   DISCLAIMER:  This script works for me; but you should take a look at
it before using it, particularly to change the name of the local machine
for the second ftp transfer, or to remove the 2nd transfer entirely.
Enjoy.

                                        --Donny
---------------------------- CUT HERE -----------------------------
#!/bin/csh -f
#
# getweather - gets the latest weather GIF image file from the anonymous ftp 
# area of the server machine (SERVERHOST), in the directory (DIRNAME)
# and copies it to the file WEATHERFILE if successful
#
# this should be run hourly, on the half-hour,  in a crontab entry
#
# John Bradley, 03/26/92
#
# based on getnettables, by John Dotts Hagan
# Modified to ftp to a local machine by Donny Goff
#
# This version gets only 1 of the available 3 files: the Surface Analysis
# (the other two are Visible and Infrared Satellite)

set SERVERHOST	= 128.174.5.98
#set SERVERHOST	= vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
set DIRNAME     = wx
set ACCT        = anonymous
set PASS	= foo@bar.edu
set HOSTMANAGER = root
set WEATHERFILE1 = ~/weathermap.gif
set WEATHERFILE2 = ~/weathervis.gif
set WEATHERFILE3 = ~/weatherinfa.gif
# HOST2 is my local PC to ftp to after we retrieve the files
set HOST2 = ninja.natinst.com
set HOST2DIR = /donny/graph/gif
set hour = `date -u +'%H'`

set numb=`expr $hour - 1`

set FNAME1 = SA`date -u +'%m%d'`$numb.GIF
set FNAME2 = CV`date -u +'%m%d'`$numb.GIF
set FNAME3 = CI`date -u +'%m%d'`$numb.GIF

unset noclobber
cd /tmp
echo "open $SERVERHOST\
user $ACCT $PASS\
bin\
hash\
cd $DIRNAME \
get $FNAME1 \
close \
open $HOST2 \
cd $HOST2DIR \
bin \
put $FNAME1 \
quit" | ftp -n -i -v -d

-- 
   Just waiting for that cold front that's supposed to hit tonight...
From: jmp@leo.irv.icl.com (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Get off your butt and say "good bye" to your EasyRig!
Keywords: Downhaul, Gorge Technology
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:40:58 GMT
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine CA

This last summer I saw a new device from Gorge Technology that is 
so simple, yet so remarkable, that it will probably become as common
as the clamp-on front end on booms!  It is called the Flip-N-Easy, and
is a mast base extension that consists of a base extension, a padded lever
arm (that replaces your mast base pad) and the downhaul rope.  The lever
arm is similiar to the lever on a clamp-on boom.  You simply insert the base
into the mast, thread the loop of rope through the grommet, and connect it to 
a hook on the lever arm, then fold the lever arm upto the mast base.  
That's it!  Your sail is now *perfectly* downhauled!  The lever arm curves 
around your mastbase and is padded, replacing your mastbase pad!  

Best of all, by pulling or releasing slack in the rope with the lever arm
released, you can totally adjust the amount of downhaul on the sail.  This
is all done while you are standing up!

Anyone going to the Windsurfing Show in SF can probably see a demonstration
of this device, I believe Gorge Technology will be there.

It comes complete with a G.T. base or is also available in a retrofit kit,
so that it can be retrofitted to many other brands of base extensions
(Windsurfing Hawaii, Chinook).  I ordered the kit to modify my WH Gorilla
base.  I hate sitting in the weeds, strugling to downhaul my MCS30 masts!

Check it out!

I am not affiliated with Gorge Technology, just very impressed with the 
Flip-N-Easy!

~jmp
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From: nickn@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Nick_Nikov)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: North Flex Top vs. Constant Curve again
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:19:22 GMT
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management

In article <12600396@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
>In rec.windsurfing, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>
>> I have the 1993 "North Sails News" in front of me and it seems that now
>> North has 5 different flex curve classifications. The mast that I'm using
>> now (that I found to be optimal with my Gamma 5.5 and Infinity 5.0) has
>> "Mast Curve 2". Of course the new sails may require different masts, but
>> according to North, MC2 is ok for the Infinity 5.0 and Prisma 5.0. For the
>> 5.5, the recommend MC3 or MC4.
>
>	It looks like North is making the switch to constant curve.
>	Their wave sails are calling for constant curve while their
>	race sails are calling for "in between" curve ala Sailworks.
>	
[stuff deleted...]
>	Doesn't sound like a good idea to me...
>	tom.
North do seem to be on the change over or maybe recommending two
mast types for wave and slalom/race designs but to have a different
mast type within a model is strange....

It would be interesting to see exactly which mast type
is optimal in 'most' conditions. Mast conformance may be a way to lock
you into a sail brand as one tends to change the mast less frequently.
Also, it tends to force a change of the full quiver which is done even
less frequently. For a sail designer I would have thought that a stiff
mast is best but now sail designers are taking advantage of mast bend
to enhance sail shape, particularly in gusts.

My understanding is that it is not good to have a mast bend to leeward.
This totally stuffs up the sail shape. But maybe the designers have found
a solution.

I would much prefer a 'standard' slalom / race mast and a 'standard'
wave type mast.

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Nick Nikov  		    Internet (AARnet): N.Nikov@unsw.edu.au
Australian Graduate School of Management,	Tel: 61 2 931 9263
P.O. Box 1, Kensington. N.S.W. 2033.		Fax: 61 2 662 7621
From: jackg@bears.ucsb.edu (Jack Greenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Any one been to Club Med on Saint Lucia in the Caribbean?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: jackg@ece.ucsb.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: /usr4/research/jackg/.organization


Subject says most of it. I've heard that it is much like Hawaii, with
excellent wind and diving. Any first hand experience about the location
and gear available would be great. Thanks!

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jackg@ece.ucsb.edu | Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Box 253
(805) 893-4461     | Santa Barbara, Ca. 93106, USA
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From: chrisp@slc.com (Chris Pinkham)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Winter Sailing Destinations?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Oct14.204012.13976
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

>Number one criteria is, of course, wind.  Warm air and water temperature 
>are fairly important (sorry Stig, this rules out Norway).  Interesting 
>cultures, wild life and good hiking would be nice as well.  Nightlife
>is unimportant as we'll hopefully ignore it anyway, being too exausted 
>from sailing all day.

> [...] Australia would be nice, but kind of far for just a week.

Pity, I was about to suggest Cape Town (South Africa), which is
further away from Australia (if you live on the West coast of
the US). Low crowd volume (wonder why :-), a South Easterly
that howls most days in December and January, great lagoon
and ocean spots (two oceans to choose from).

The culture is pretty interesting, especially if you like taxi wars,
getting caught up in demonstrations etc. Great hiking within 10
minutes of the city centre, loads of flora close to the city,
and plenty of wildlife a short drive away. Prices would seem
cheap to most westerners.

Can you tell that I'm homesick?
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: NewZealand windsurf guide updated
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.234304.12591@am.dsir.govt.nz>
srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding) writes:
 
>                        For those not familiar with New Zealand it is
>just below and to the left of Australia ......
                       ****
 
I remember being told that New Zealanders and Australians oriented
their maps and globes with south to the top (so that they would be
"on top" rather than "underneath,") but this is the first confirmation
from a native!