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From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Patrese - actice suspension failure
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:44:25 GMT

In article <9209141819.AA28820@dxi.nih.gov> jmurphy@pop.nih.gov writes:
>Did anyone notice that Patrese seemed to loose his rear suspension? The car
>had a noticable upward pitch of the front nose. Seems like the hydralics
>failed in the rear suspension, or completly. The car was also bottoming
>badly.

According to James Hunt, when the a.s. on the Williams fail, it goes
into "limp home" mode where it extends to *maximum* height as opposed
to total collapse as in the early Lotuses.  So it seems like the front
suspension on Patrese's car failed and extended fully.

>Does anyone have further info??? On ESPN the announcers did not even
>notice...

The only reason why I watch ESPN anymore is because they carry most
races live.  Still too many g*damm commercials especially towards the
end, and lack of info on major incidents.  There was one good action
sequence with an in car cam shot of Brundle about to pass somebody in
the chicane and then suddenly we get a stupid driver stats (or
whatever) banner for a half minute.  GGRRRRRRR!!

Don't mean to rub it in to you guys who don't get the BBC broadcast,
but I think that ESPN can do much better than what they are right now.
In the past I was happy enough with the ESPN coverage that I did not
bother to watch the delayed BBC one later in the day.


eliot
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andrea Moda
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:28:07 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Timo B{ckman PRA) writes:


>According to some newspapers, the Andrea Moda team isn't allowed to
>run cars in the remaining GP's of the 1992 season. The head of the
>team, Andrea ****, has been arrested for some economic problems.

>The newspapers mentioned also that there would be three new teams for
>the 1993 season: Sauber, Pacific Racing and a spanish team. Sauber
>should be OK, but have anyone heard something about the others?

>Timo B{ckman

	M. Jackson answered the question of Andrea Sassetti's last name.
He said that Pacific Racing was going to field their own team, just
stealing the design personnel, but I haven't heard this. As far as I know,
the Trebron team is certain to enter next year. Regular WSC campaigner
Franz Konrad is now said to be interested in buying the March team, bringing
Heinz-Harald Frentzen with him. Frederick Dhainault, formerly a team manager
for AGS and Andrea Moda Formula, is supposedly organizing a team as well. I
saw on r.a.s. that J.J. Lehto has now signed for Sauber, along with Karl
Wendlinger.

TOBY...
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From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Italian GP on ESPN?
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:06:38 GMT

Is ESPN covering the Italian GP?  Anyone know what time it will be on?  
Live/tape delayed?

Thanks,

Andy


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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell quits F1 !!!! GOOD RIDDENS
Date: 13 Sep 1992 23:35:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard) says:

>Newsflash: Nigel Mansell quits F1 by the end of the 92 season.

I knew he didn't have the courage to be be Prost's teammate.
He made the right decision.  He'll quit now and hope he fools
some people into thinking he's one of the best drivers because
he just won the World Championship instead of coming back and
getting beat by Prost next year.  Good move #5.
Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:9682 soc.culture.australian:4194
From: bill@bain3.bain.oz.au (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Toohey's 1000/Bathurst Touring Cars
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:01:11 GMT
Organization: Bain & Company, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
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Plenty of restaurants in town I guess. I've never had the need myself.
But you certainly don't go for the luxury of your surroundings. :)


Regards


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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: F1 Trivia answers
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:24:28 GMT


>> 	'50 Luigi Fagioli

>Going into the final race of 1950, Fagioli had 24 points (four 2nds).
>However his theoretical maximum was only 26 (8 + 3x6) as only four
>races could be counted.  Juan Manuel Fangio already had 26 points, and
>as he had three wins would have been champion on the "greatest number
>of wins" tiebreaker even in Fagioli's best-case outcome.

As Dan Jones mentioned in a message to Mark already, up until '59 drivers
also were awarded 1 point for fastest lap.  This means Fagioli could have
won 9 points and taken the title by 1 point had he won the race and set fastest
lap.

I guess the case against Pironi is reasonable considering the wording of
the question.

Either way, congrats to Dan Jones and Mark Jackson and Naren for their answers
(and corrections).

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From: white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White)
Subject: Indy and F1: IN CAR CAMS
Originator: white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:08:19 GMT

Hello,
	In the telecast for last weekends Indy race, it was mentioned in a
tech report (or whatever they are called :) ) how the in car cams work.  My
question is this, they mentioned that the microwave sender and camera unit
wiegh about 8 pounds.  Would this not affect the speed of the car?  I know
that it isnt much, but in the Indy 500 this year for instance, wouldnt that
much weight possibly have changed the outcome?  
Also, are the teams paid for this/?  Who pays for the new cowling cover that
holds the camera unit?
Thanks
Brad
From: tdonahue@star-trek.bbn.com (Tim Donahue)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: tdonahue@bbn.com (Tim Donahue)
Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc.
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In article <1992Sep10.154644.20908@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>...
>But the fact is there are few tracks with as little margin for error,
>and as much emphasis on balls-to-the-walls driving and all-out speed,
>as The Speedway.  The difference between a winner and a crasher there
>is often a matter of inches.  Name any track on the F1 circuit with as
>little margin for error.

Um, Monte Carlo?  However, a mistake there is unlikely to be as
spectacular as a similar one at Indy.

>With all due respect to Nelson Piquet, who certainly has earned his
>place in motor racing history as a World Champion, the mistake that
>put him into the wall (and Methodist Hospital) was due to
>unfamiliarity with the track and the conditions... in other words, a
>ROOKIE mistake.

I agree.

> -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
>    Unabashed Indy (and Indy car) fan

Tim (REALLY looking forward to Andretti vs. Senna vs. Prost vs. Mansell
     vs. Schumacher vs. Alesi vs. Berger)
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: CART in PA?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:14:45 GMT

In article <BuL1yv.Fr7@news.larc.nasa.gov> dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.155621.8969@msc.cornell.edu>, mike@msc.cornell.edu (Mike Heisler) writes:
>|> I am interested in going to the CART race on Oct. 4 in PA.  Anyone got
>|> a phone number or address to get ticket and schedule info?
>|> 
The Bosch Spark Plug Grand Prix is October 1-4, 1992 at Pennsylvania
Int'l Raceway in Nazereth.  For tix, call (214)-759-8800.

-c'ball-

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From: 10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC)
Subject: News on Piquet?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:08:05 GMT

Does anyone have any info on Piquet since he went into hospital after the 
Indy crash?

XD-Man
From: stnd@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:01:40 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

>> American Michael Andretti has signed to
>> drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
>> in the 1993 world championship.        



And Michael has strong ties to Ford.  Hmmmm........






Scott
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hart Engines
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:39:23 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Cory James Padfield writes:

> 	Like everyone else who saw the ESPN broadcast, I heard the
>rumor about Barnard and/or Doc P. suggesting using Brian Hart V-10's.
>My question is when did Hart come up with a new design for a V-10???
>He has been one of the tuners/rebuilders of customer Ford engines
>forever (like Heini Mader), but I have NEVER heard of his OWN engines,
>like John Judd. 

The Toleman team used Brian Hart Turbos from '81 thru '85.  When the team
became Benetton, the team switched to BMW power.  Senna drove Hart powered
Tolemans during his rookie year.  As far as the new Hart V-10, ESPN was
the first I had heard of it.

Dan Jones
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: CART - Highest Attrition?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:35:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.184751.4178@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> 
slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:
>A few of the early Michigan 500s had very high attrition, but I don't
>think any had less than 10 cars running.  '85(?) had probably more destroyed
>cars than any race I've seen (except perhaps this year Indy)..

The 1991 Michigan 500 only had seven cars running at the finish.  But only
21 started.


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Toyota to Appeal IMSA Ruling
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:31:27 GMT

TORRANCE, CA (September 8, 1992) -- Toyota Motorsports will appeal
a controversial Sept. 2 ruling by the (IMSA) regarding fuel compliance,
Toyota National Motorsports Manager Les Unger announced Tuesday.

"We are confident that once we get into the appeals process, our ELF
fuel will be found legal in accordance with IMSA specifications in
effect at that time", said Unger.  "ELF has reassured us that our fuel
was entirely in compliance with IMSA specs."

Eighty percent of the cars tested (over half the field) by IMSA at the
most recent Camel GT event at Road America were considered not to be in
compliance.  In addition to a $5,000 fine on each vehicle, the
sanctioning body has set down a ruling requiring the use of a
track-supplied gasoline at each of the season's final two events -- an
action that could be far more costly for competitors than the fine.

"We're dismayed that with two races remaining, a week apart, IMSA would
drastically change the rules", said Unger.  "It's going to be an
expensive proposition to tear down previously assembled engines that
have been developed exclusively with ELF fuel and go back to the
dynomometer for testing with the two fuels selected for Phoenix and Del
Mar that each could have a different set of specifications.  At this
date, I'm waiting for Toyota Racing Development (TRD), USA to determine
whether we'll be able to race."

Complete fuel specs for the Phoenix Camel GT are still unavailable to
competitors just three weeks prior to the event, furthering the
uncertainty for the season-ending contests.

"IMSA is wrong", says Drino Miller, Executive Vice President/Chief
Operating Officer of TRD, USA.  "The improper handling of test samples
in allowing it's exposure to high temperatures invalidates any testing.
If the procedure had been done correctly our fuel would have been proven
completely legal".

--------------------
-c'ball-

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From: rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts)
Subject: Re: Generic Racing Tidbits
Originator: rbt@dracut
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150745.12589@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
> 
> I believe his name is Bill Broderick, who has been with Unocal for
> a long time -- maybe back to when it was 'Pure'.  Not sure of his
> "official" position within the corporation, but the "hat-man" duties
> sure do lead to a lot of prime on-camera time.
> 
> At most of the races, notice that he's always the first guy to the
> car in victory lane.  I read something once about how orchestrated
> and serious the 'hat-exchange' really is.
> 
> Wonder if Sunoco is accepting applicants?
> 
> -c'ball-
> 
I notice he's a pretty big guy and also seems to be doing "bouncer" duty and
keeping people away from the winning driver. He doesn't seem to be as obvious
now, but the orchestrated "hat ballet" used to be quite comical.

As for Sunoco accepting applicants: I'm slicking back my hair right now as I
slip my shades on!

-Bob T.
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:59:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep15.185932.11111
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <9209150942.AA04290@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>Hi racers.
>

>Only Renault, Elf and Canon are foreign sponsors and the Canon
>money comes from Holland, not from Japan.
>

When did they start brewing Labatts in the U.K.?

Ben

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:58:22 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.205722.28386@ncube.com>,
bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|>
|>So now we have the candidates showing up at racetracks (like
|>Clinton at Darlington the other day).  But it really bothered
|>me that ol' DW was wearing his Bush/Quayle button quite clearly
|>in the post-race interviews.  Now I like DW as much as the other
|>guy, but I really am against the driver's displaying thi
|>their political persuasion in front of the cameras.  And I also
|>wonder what the sponsors' stand is along these lines.  Is it just
|>me or is this bugging anybody else?

Clinton and the race organizers started it by having a political candidate
as the marshal of the race.  Apparently you and I are not alone in our dislike
of the trend for candidates to appear in the race ceremonies.  Clinton was
roundly booed by the fans and snubbed by many on pit row.  The media made
a big thing of this.  As a pro-Clinton p.r. ploy, I'd have to say it backfired.

|>Along these lines, a funny one recently in Autoweek:  "Vice President
|>Dan Quayle, at Talladega where he was honorary starter for a Winston
|>Cup race: "I've attended the Indianapolis 500, that's Formula One, no
|>t stock cars, but the idea's the same."  What idea?  Infields full of
|>happy campers."

Both events feature cars racing counterclockwise around an oval track real fast
for 500 miles, punctuated by a lot of annoying yellow flag periods.

Perhaps Quayle was referring to his idea of appearing at a racing event to
gain brownie points with race fans.  Of course, if he's trying to show he's
a serious racing fan, that faux pas about Indy being a F1 event did him in.
Well, at least he didn't think he had to speak Indian while in Indianapolis.

--PSW
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: More whining about F1 being international
Organization: Confederate Air Corps 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:21:50 GMT

Miguel writes:
>This has nothing to do with racing, but...
>
>>   Alan F. Perry writes:
>>   Do you have any doubt that the NBA competition is the world
>>   championship of basketball?
>
>I do.  In fact I think this is a totally inappropriate statement.

Absolutely! And the World Series isn't. What does this have to do
with the purpose of rec.autos.sport? Lets keep the topic on WSC, or
BRM, but forget the NBA, NFL and other unrelated national or
international topics.
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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: Schumacher -- $1 million <NOT!; this year anyways>
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:22:10 GMT

Howdy!
	Someone posted something (really?) about Schumacher being had for $1 mil or so.  The ESPN (Hobbs) guys mentioned at Spa his (MS) salary for this year
was around 200,000.  I think they said $$, but I'm not sure.
	If he (and the brain trust that called the perfect timing for pitstops)
continues the good work exhibited in Belgium, no telling what he'll make
next year.

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From: CMIS10@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Timothy Palka)
Subject: Re: 12 Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Organization: Motorola
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:42:15 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <18338@acorn.co.uk> apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:
>
> American Michael Andretti has signed to
> drive for the McLaren Formula One team
> in the 1993 world championship.

Quick!  Someone tell FISA.  They should be able to rejuggle the 1993 schedule.
Michael Andretti in F1 would be a big draw for a USGP.

alan

good now he can blow up their engines for awhile!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:15:36 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Little Al's next seat
 <1992Sep14.184446.10106@rdg.dec.com>

In article <1992Sep14.184446.10106@rdg.dec.com>, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com
(Paul S. Winalski) says:

>In article <1992Sep14.142921.5474@news.cs.indiana.edu>,
>"Kurt Zimmerman" <kuzimmer@frilled.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>|>
>|>Paul Page mentioned during the Mid-Ohio race that Little Al might want
>|>to fill Michael's seat at Newman-Haas.  Why would he want to do this
>|>if he has such a good relationship with Galles?

>The only reason I can think of is that Newman-Haas is one of the development
>teams for the Ford/Cosworth Indy engine, while Galles is running Chevy/Ilmors.
>Little Al has groused a few times this season about the Chevy A being down on
>power compared to the Ford.
I know that the Ford has the power, but not the reliability. Some teams
have done well with their Chevy A motors. Rahal, Sullivan, Goodyear
and Unser all won with the Chevy A. Rahal proved to be equally as
fast as Andretti on several occassions. Also the Chevy C will be
available to any team that wants it. The engine that Penske uses is said
to have some C parts on it. You have not seen the Penske cars drop out
often with engine problems. The Ford will also be a customer engine
next year, but you have to have an engine guy in house that can rebuild
the engine.
I think the Galmer chassis is probably his problem. Having your own
chassis is great if its a good chassis, but if not then you have a
problem. Penske has a lot of experience with building chassis and a
lot of equipment for doing it. With a Lola chassis you know that
every one has the same chassis as you do. The only thing that is
diferent is the driver and possibly the engine. Its more of a sure thing.

>|>Since Mansell announced his retirement from F1, is there any chance at
>|>all that Unser might get a shot with Williams?  He has tested with
>|>them hasn't he?  Or would the "must drive at Indy" keep him totally
>|>out of the picture.

>Frank Williams seems to be confining his negotiations to those with a proven
>championship record in F1 (e.g., Mansell, Senna, Prost).  For all his
>unquestioned skill as a driver, Little Al faces a learning curve while        g
>adjustin
>to the new team, cars, tracks, and lifestyle of F1.  Any "must drive at Indy"
>strings attached to the drive certainly would make things that much more
>difficult.
On ESPN they said that Frank said he would never have to stars on the
same team. If he hired Al he would only have one star, Prost. Perhaps
I should say one ego problem. Williams would be getting one of Americas
best and a driver for the future. I am sure that Prost will wear out his
welcome quickly. I don't think little Al would be going over there and
expecting to be treated  like Prost, Senna or Mansell. I don't think
little Al would have a special cluase in his contract so Andretti
can never be his teammate. I think He loves racing too much to just
take a year off, because no one would meet his contract terms.

Jonathan Swaby

>--PSW
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:49:53 GMT

In article <rttnyza.esprit@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>Are they dissolving?  I thought they were just going to stop making their
>own chassis and race Lolas instead.

nope; truesports is definitely shutting down; they've sold or leased
most everything to bobby rahal.

richard
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