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From: klm@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Kathy L. McRae)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Help! Fruit Fly Invasion
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:31:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6156
Organization: /etc/organization

>
>Place some bait (apple cores, apple juice, banana pieces, wine, irish cream 
>whiskey, etc.)  in a widemouthed half-pint sized jar and cover the opening 
>with a funnel.  The opening of the funnel should be fairly small in diameter. 
>Place the trap where you have problems with flies.  The flies will be 
>attracted to the bait, crawl in throught the funnel and not be able to find 
>their way out (they're pretty stupid).  We kill the flies by placing the trap 
>in the freezer for about 20 minutes or so.  It's probably best to use a glass
>jar that you were planning on throwing out or clean it daily as it gets a 
>little messy.

      For those of us who may not have a good idea of what's going on here,
I _think_ the funnel should be "aimed" into the jar...as if you're gonna use
it to put something into the jar.  (NOT like the Tin-Man's hat   %-}   )
     This may seem a little far-fetched, but it _does_ work!  I've used a
similar setup for flies.  Only problem is that the bait has to be much
more obnoxious.


good luck!
kathy
From: sean@curry1.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: LOOSE DROPPINGS
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: curry@ausvmv.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin, TX


In article <50740020@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill
Gingras) writes:
|> 
|> I think green droppings in cockatiels is normal.  Can anyone else
|> confirm this?
|> 
|> - Bill G

Macbeth's have always been green.  Usually firm like a pea, but sometimes
a bit looser.  (That's why I buy the bulk Tide.)

Sean Curry
curry@ausvmv.vnet.ibm.com
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From: mike@crg4.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Aksmanovic)
Subject: Re: The Joys of Large Birdies (was:  Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos))
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.113516.6968@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>
>What about large macaws and children?  The Mother Tongue used to have
>a BlueFronted Amazon, who relished kiddy fingers at all times (that
>bird *could* defeat godzilla).  i would think that a large parrot raised
>with people and not teased would be gentle...what have been your experiences?

Well, my double-yellow headed Amazon thinks that my fingers are pretty
neat toys. They're always changing configurations, they're fun to chew
on, fun to hang from and great for scratching. I obviously wash my
hands quite a bit more than I used to before I owned my bird (just
about every time I pick her up). My bird usually only carssingly
nibbles on my fingers, although when she does get carried away, it can
be painful. In fact when I scratch her under the beak, she will often
hang on to one of my fingers with her beak so her head is more
steady. Now she will sometimes walk up to my hands, grab my index
finger and give me a look which tells me that she wants to be
scratched. Being the pushover that I am, I always comply.

I guess the most important thing about amazons (or my amazon) is
learning to observe their emotions and respecting them. When my bird
wants to be left alone, she lets me know it in no uncertain terms. On
the other hand when she feels affectionate, she'll let me know that as
well. A real Jekyll and Hyde sometimes.

Cheers,
	Mike Aksmanovic - mike@crg4.uwaterloo.ca

/ There is one last reason for caring ... the reason why so many people have  \
| devoted their lives to protecting the likes of rhinos, parakeets, kakapos   |
| and dolphins. And it is simply this: the world would be a poorer, darker,   |
\ lonelier place without them. - M. Carwardine (Last Chance to See)           /
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From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: the "found" umbrella cockatoo
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:48:48 GMT

In article <BvGqHv.HIC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy) writes:
>Regarding the pet store owner's story in Brenner's cockatoo post:
>
>Doesn't it seem a little fishy that the Umbrella would suddenly fly into a
>pickup truck?  Wouldn't anyone who lost such a valuable bird scour the area
>looking for it?
>
>Just curious...  


It does seem strange, but funny things do happen.  Some people
I know in Beltsville MD found a Blue and Gold wandering along 
the side of a major highway (US 1) in the middle of the day;
it was pretty beat up, dirty, looked (they said) like some 
car has driven over it because it had grease and scrapes on
the back of the head and the wings.  They took it back to 
work (P.T. Morans in Beltsville; these two people are bird 
folks) and took care of it.  They say that it climbed right
up on them when they approached it.  A few weeks of advertising
in the local papers managed to locate the owner; I am not sure
how they verified that it was the owner, but they are pretty 
sharp folks, and wanted to keep it themselves, so I will assume
that someone had a pretty convincing story to tell.

Random unrelated question:  I wonder what the correct 
birdo/human ratio is for a company that develops software ;-)
We keep hiring people here, we are going to have to get 
more birds...

Doug 


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From: bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue)
Subject: introducing new bird
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:26:57 GMT

Hi folks. First,  a thank you to all of you that responded 
directly and indirectly to my query vis a vis Cockatoos and
Macaws. The upshot is that my family will be acquiring a
(probably female) five month old Goffin's Cockatoo this Friday.
Now to the question. We already have a one year old male
cockatiel. Any suggestions as to the best way to introduce them?
We're going to keep them in separate rooms for the first
30 days just to be safe (and vet check them both this week). 
But then we were planning to have a single bird room. I
won't be letting them out loose in the same room together
unsupervised until I feel sure they're not going to be 
aggressive. But there's probably some clever way to easily
introduce them so as to minimize tension. Keep in mind that
they're both pets; I don't want them bonding to each other.
For those with an interest in such things, since I've gathered
a pretty good data base of cost in the Bay area, it goes like this:
Blue and Gold - 1,000,  Military - 750
Citron - 1,500, Goffin's - 800
Umbrella - 1,200, Hyacinth - 7,500!
Benson Tongue
From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: GOULDIAN FINCHES
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:36:30 GMT

Hi Steve, I also own and breed Gouldian finches. They can live any where from
5-10 years with a good diet and good care. I have a Redheaded pair and a
Blackheaded pair. The redheaded pair has given me 10 babies this year
 but they don't raise their own. I have to foster their eggs. Most people end
up having to foster Gould eggs. The blackheaded pair is in the process of
breeding right now so I hope I get babies from them. The main problem I have
run across is the hens can be prone to caiciency and may need a supplement when
breeding. When my hen 1st started breeding I almost lost her to that.
Everything is fine now but she does need the supplements. Good luck with your
finches, They are very beautiful birds and I'm sure you will enjoy them. That
was an excellent price! They sell for $125 a pair here from breeders and about
$300 in pet shops!
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From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: Strange Colored Cockateil
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:24:46 GMT

kaszyn@HELIX.NIH.GOV wrote:
: gray.  On closer inspection, I noticed that the male had small orange
: feathers on his head.  They weren't noticeable, but definitely there. 
: These small feathers were in addition to the regular big orange spots that
: all cockateils (except whitefaces) have near their ears.  I wanted to buy
: 
: Is this a mutation?  The cockateils were fed just plain seed mix and
: water-- no pigmentation-altering foods.  If I ever obtain ownership of this
: bird, what would be the best color to breed him to, to retain his odd
: coloration?

This is fairly typical in lutinos (in my experience).  Our lutino has a few odd
orange feathers around his face.  In fact, that number increased when he took a
nose dive into a piece of pizza last year (he was a *bit* eager).  I think that
you should take a close look at a lot of lutinos for the same thing.  More
times than not, I bet you will see this on mature males.  I wouldn't bother
obtaining him for several reasons:

1.  He is bonded to a female and should be left that way (they are very
emotional birds)

2.  Lutinos are everywhere.  Look for another with no bald spot.

Do you want to breed lutinos?  If you do, then you want to find a lutino male
and a lutino female, both with small or no bald spots.  Unfortunately, when the
lutino mutation was being established in the early '60s, a breeder bred in bald
stock.  Now baldness is a dominant trait and is found in most lutinos.  

Now for the genetics (this is assuming no "splits" unless stated):

Male lutino x female lutino = all lutino chicks
Male lutino x female grey = all lutino female chicks and all grey split 
                            lutino male chicks (i.e., grey) 
Male grey x female lutino = all grey female chicks and all grey split lutino
                            male chicks (i.e., grey)

Lutino is a sex-linked mutation carried on the X sex chromosome.  A male tiel
is XX and a female tiel is XY.  

I typed this quickly.  If you have any more questions, drop me a line.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds,rec.music.misc
From: psikh01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Volkmar Kuhnle)
Subject: Re: What is your birdies favorite type of music?
Keywords: music birdies
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:34:08 GMT

Comparing the budgies I had in my life, I found out that even
birds can have a very special "taste".

Putzi, my first budgie, liked mostly rock and pop music. He was especially
fond of some Beatles songs (like "Let it be" or "Sgt. Pepper").

Welli, my second budgie, HATED all kinds of rock and pop music, but liked
classical music, He was very fond of Mozart's "Eine kleine Nachtmusik."

Let's ask a similar question: What kind of TV programs do(es) your birdie(s)
like most? You might laugh at taht, but: Putzi had a very special taste
about TV. He was quite quiet on almost any TV programs I watched, with one
notable exception: STAR TREK. Putzi HATED STAR TREK and always started
protesting whenever I switched it on!

Ciao,
     Volkmar

kuhnle@ait.physik.uni-tuebingen.de
psikh01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de

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From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: The Joys of Large Birdies (was: Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos))
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:56:08 GMT

In article <72987@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:

>
>Morgan, bless her, has figured out that trackballs roll, and that this is
>great fun. Unless, of course  daddy is working and needs the cursor in a
>specific location....

For various reasons, Shiro, the Umbrella who keeps my Sun 
monitor dusty, was without tail feathers for a while.  We
were all happy to see them grow back in, but now when she
sits on the monitor, her tail hangs down over the screen...
It isn't too bad if I can keep her over on the right side
and just hide icons under her tail.  I am considering 
building Xshiro which will have a cockatoo tail pop up and
obscure random things on your screen every once in a while.

Now, if I can just figure out how to get X windows to clog
the electronics of the monitor with dust... it already clogs
disk drives on the system (X, not the dust ;-)

Doug

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From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: full spectrum lighting
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:01:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.161945.3348@ichips.intel.com> meredith@pdx805 (Susan Meredith) writes:

> I remember reading something in Bird Talk about birds needing full spectrum
> lighting to be able to properly absorb calcium.  Since my guys never get
> exposed to unfiltered sunlight, and I can't afford to build an outdoor
> aviary, I'm thinking about putting in some full spectrum lights above their
> cages.  Has anyone out there ever tried this??  If so, could you tell any
> difference??

The folks at Feathered Friends in Santa Fe, NM recently changed out all
their lights to full-spectrum ones. (Feathered Friends is a very nice bird
shop; they usually have 30 -40 birds on hand ant any one time). Visually, 
the effect was to make the aviary much brighter and more cheerful. The
birds seemed to like it, but I have no info on any health effects.

I personally think it is a good idea to provide full-spectrum lighting, and I 
intend to do it for my birds.

--Doug
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From: kaszyn@HELIX.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Strange Colored Cockateil
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:06:27 GMT

I was in a pet shop over the weekend and was looking at a pair of
cockateils in a cage with a nest box.  The male was lutino, the female was
gray.  On closer inspection, I noticed that the male had small orange
feathers on his head.  They weren't noticeable, but definitely there. 
These small feathers were in addition to the regular big orange spots that
all cockateils (except whitefaces) have near their ears.  I wanted to buy
this bird on the spot, but he wasn't for sale, because he was in a breeding
situation and was helping the female take care of their nestlings.

Is this a mutation?  The cockateils were fed just plain seed mix and
water-- no pigmentation-altering foods.  If I ever obtain ownership of this
bird, what would be the best color to breed him to, to retain his odd
coloration?

                            
             
               .            

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From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: SHAMAN'S LATEST
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:07:03 GMT


In article <717699839.0@bird.com> Mary.Kaye.Buchtel@bird.com (Mary Kaye Buchtel) writes:


> Our African grey, Shaman, has always enjoyed a taste of coffee with me (decaf).
>  So much so that if she saw me with a mug, she'd say "want some coffee?"  Then
> my husband got into brewing freshly ground beans as a treat for both of us.
> Shaman was always right there for her gulp from Mama's cup and then her gulp
> from Daddy's cup.  Well, Bill went out of town for a 3 week business trip and,
> in his absence, I reverted to instant coffee. The first cup, Shaman had some
> but from then on if I asked her "want some coffee?" and offered her the mug,
> she'd just take the rim in her beak and push it away. This went on the whole
> time Bill was gone. Yesterday a.m. he made his first fresh pot since his return
> and Shaman was SO excited she had "happy feet" (couldn't stand still in one
> place) and, you guessed it:  she's back to drinking as much as we'll let her
> have (which is only one gulp from each cup). What a SNOB!
>  * Origin: Bird Info Network Gateway 303-423-9775 (1:104/234)
> 

That _is_ cute. I do hope, however, that you never give Shaman regular, caffeinated
coffee. Caffein is toxic to parrots...

--Doug
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From: blue@cam.nist.gov (Jim_Blue_x3809)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Avian vets in Palo Alto, CA
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:19:05 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

In article <72996@apple.Apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
|> 
|> Be aware that if you haven't converted your bird to pellets, you can Expect
|> A Lecture. Pretty good one, too. (my birds are now all pelletized, and doing
|> much better)

Ah, but which pellets? I have seen no information on the relative
qualities of pellet diets other than advertising puffery. What diet
does your vet recommend? Different for small, medium, and large parrots?
From: Mary.Kaye.Buchtel@bird.com (Mary Kaye Buchtel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: HAND FED
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:21 GMT


 > dependent the bird. So if one would like a cockatoo that
 > isn't so absolutely dependent on people as they 
 > generally tend to be, do you think it might be optimal
 > to let the parent birds raise the baby longer than is
 > now usual? Might this retain the good qualities of the

The problem with this approach is that the longer a baby stays with its parents
after the eyes are open, the more difficult it is for the baby to learn to
accept feedings from humans. With large birds, I don't leave them with their
parents for more than 3 weeks, 4 weeks max if there is a compelling reason not
to pull, such as I'm on vacation, etc.  They CAN eventually learn if necessary,
but the stress and weight loss is so great the health risks become increasingly
greater as the baby ages. A lot of the dependancy you're concerned about can be
handled by the breeder having a good understanding of how to teach baby 'toos
to play and live by a reasonable schedule. The new owner needs to understand
this as well. This topic is now being discussed and written about more and more
as avian behavior experts are expanding their body of knowledge and their field
of influence. Two experts on this topic that I can recommend are Sally Blancard
with Bird Talk magazine and Debbie Kesling who can be found on the Bird
Information Network.
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From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent A. Watsen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Help. Budgie trouble
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:18:37 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


Hi, I have two Budgies.  Actually, I just got the second a day ago.  Anyway,
Zac, the older male does not look too good.  What got my attention just now
was the brownish color of his cere.  After inspecting him I noticed that 
one of his nostails looked congested.  His nostrail had become congested over
the summer and I took him to the vet, who gave me some Baytril and nose drops
and the problem went away. I don't remember him having a brownish looking 
cere before, but I must say that his bill has aways looked a bit green.  I 
gave him some medicine tonight. 

If you have any experience with this sort of phenomenon, please relate.

Thanks

KeNT@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: excited@med.unc.edu (Wally German)
Subject: Re: Macaw (and Cockatoos)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:52:57 GMT

>In article <1992Sep28.215711.21467@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU
>bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue) writes
>The macaws are reputed to be more independent, less cuddly, less family
>oriented as opposed to single person oriented, also destructive of beak
>and perhaps less loud but still capable of producing plenty of
>volume. Now to the question. Do any of you owners out there
>disagree? 


I'm certain that I +totally+ agree that macaws are less family
oriented.  They are certainly (the ones I've seen) enjoyed the
company of numerous individuals.  They simply get 'off' on being
the center of attention regardless of who is the supplier of that
attention be it one or more people.  This is probably dependent
upon the type of macaw.  Blue and golds for instance are in the
wild flock oriented meaning that they are accustomed to having
more than one person nearby.

My blue and gold, Skylar, is only 5 months old so I can't really
say how he'll react after he totally matures.  Right now he
+really+ enjoys being held (by whomever) and cuddles close.  I
can put him on his back and scratch his tummy without him being
alarmed.  As for volume, "ey, what you say??"  He could call
hogs in Georgia and I live in North Carolina. (that's a joke son)

Given the choice I'd opt for a blue and gold macaw.  Very personable
and friendly creatures who enjoy being with you.  I believe Skylar
would be in my hands 100% of the time if I let him.  I purposely
maintain a firm grip on the number of hours he spends actually
being held.  He is given plenty of opportunity to climb and go
outdoors and just to generally explore.  I keep a close watch
on him because these guys are notorious chewers!  He has already
bitten the top of the refrigerator leaving a cute "dimple" in
the door.  (his cage is next door for those of you who think
he could climb metal).

What it boils down to in the end is a basic decision as to what
you want from your bird and what you can give back to your bird.

Good Luck!

W German


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From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: What is your birdies favorite type of music?
Keywords: music birdies
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:58:49 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

ajd@itl.itd.umich.edu (Arthur Delano) writes:
>
>I know that most of the responses i've seen state that their
>birds like alternative music and stuff otherwise not often
>played on the radio.

Far and away, the big favorite here is [drum roll].....

Messaien's "Catalogue d'Oiseaux", especially the newer Yvonne Loriod
recordings. Francois Bayle's paint peeling high-harmonics computer
music also sets 'em twittering. Reed's "Metal Machine Music" only works
at certain volumes. Albert Ayler and Roscoe Mitchell are good for
the occasional Zebra Finch jam.

Are the smilies really necessary?
--
I've never had much real control over things. The music of pianos, for example,
is the dead world where I loved the machine of my small freedoms, one of the 
crowd in his best clothes despite the weather, the Eastern snow like the 
distinct sound of pianos over the airfield. The music lifts and swells.
From: dsnhv@dsnsun.ericsson.se (Henk Vriens)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Correcting avian behaviour
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:27:34 GMT
Reply-To: dsnhv@ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Sep2.201618.3385@Cadence.COM> janices@Cadence.COM (Janice  
Simon) writes:
> How do you stop an amazon from crying?

I read in a reply to this posting, which I did not save (mea MAXIMA culpa), about correcting avian behaviour, and asked for some more info on the 
person/subject. 

This was a few days before my holiday, but now I'm back I can't find out
if someone replied to my request.  Anyone who can help me?  
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