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From: savaged@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Duncan Savage)
Subject: Re: US source for Rollerblades sought
Keywords: Rollerlade Mail Order
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:46:22 GMT

pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>Discussing this here may not be an effective way of getting satisfaction. I
>suggest you get a recent copy of In-line magazine and call some of the
>mail-order shops advertising there; see if anyone actualy sells Rollerblade
>stuff via mail-order.

>Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
>Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280

Where's a kiwi going to find a copy of In-line, phil?
I've only managed to get it because you arranged the comp. copies.
I tried to find out about overseas subscriptions through the net, and 
no-one could tell me anything. 
I guess he'd have to write to them asking for subscription information, 
(which means first asking the net for the address (again)), wait for a reply,
mail the dough, wait for acknowledgement, wait two months for the next issue 
to come out, wait another month for delivery...

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From: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Subject: six wheels?
Reply-To: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:59:52 GMT

If five wheels making simultaneous contact are faster should not
six be even faster? The more wheels making contact the less rolling
resistance?. Is there a diminishing return at some point?
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: backpains
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:00:20
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: ylsul@athena.mit.edu's message of 6 Apr 92 17:58:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.175833.28140@athena.mit.edu> ylsul@athena.mit.edu (Young Sul) writes:


   YES! YES! YES!
   I'm 27 and have had chronic lower backpain since high school. Skating
   really does the trick. I think it has something to going into a crouch
   when you want to skate _fast_: this probably forces your lower back
   muscles to actually do some work (mine usually sit in a chair all
   day long)...




Um, I don't really think it has to do with fast skating per se. I think
it has a lot to do with:


 1) The skating form in general. All skating requires bent knees. If you
 are into skating to music it is how you obtain "more bounce to the
 ounce". 

 2) The kinesthetic aesthetic -- free your mind by freeing your body
 (there is some rave song that tells it like it is). If your route to
 this is speed skating, then go for it!

My back rejoices,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: World Figure Skating Championship
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:19:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.121907.16905
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Correction, article 1351 was in ref. to Midori.

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From: savaged@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Duncan Savage)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Racing wheels placement
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:58:16 GMT

las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes:

>In article <1992Apr12.091943.23524@Princeton.EDU>, adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:
>>While paging thru Inline Magazine, I noticed an ad by Built For Speed
>>which had two pictures of Bont boots with two different blade assemblies:
>>
>>                 #1  /-----------\     #2 /-----------\
>>                     0  O  O  O  O        O    O O    O
>>
>>One is your regular five-wheeler, the other is only four wheels but the
>>length is as long as the five-wheeler.  Also, the two middle wheels are
>>set the regular distance apart, but both are a wheel-length from the
>>front/back wheels.
>>
>>Is this to get the stability of 5 wheels, but to save weight by having
>>only four?  Or some other reason?  To save wheels perhaps? 
> 
>       A reply:

>>> Hi tony. I asked the same question and was told that stability 
>>> was the reason. I was also told that becouse of rolling resistance
>>> arangement #2 was  slower even if  the wheels were of very high
>>> durometer.   Gotta get together and do CP one of these days!!

It seems to me that one possible reason is to allower a lower wheelbase-
the four wheels sit nicely with the middle two between the heel and toe
of the boot. Five sit directly under the heel and toe, so the frame has
to be raised higher off the floor to fit them.
I don't know if there's some advantage of maneuverablilty in the four-wheel
version due to a different weight distribution on the wheel or something. I
doubt this would be the reason for it. 
Maybe it's just so you can save on wheels by buying the regular four-packs
instead of five.

I noticed a shot of someone winning a race on a four-wheel frame w/bont's.
He had different grade wheels in the middle and outer positions, much as
quad skaters use different grades for different wheel position. I wonder
if there is some significance with the four-wheelers being optimal for a 
different mix of wheels, or something strange.

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Subject: Re: US source for Rollerblades sought
From: cowl@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DAve.)
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:09:06 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Keywords: Rollerlade Mail Order

Phil says:

> Juxtaposing these separate postings, it appears if you're saying that you're
> going into local shops, looking for a skate that fits, and then want to buy
> that skate via mail-order, saving money in the process.
> 
> If this is indeed what's happening, I request that you buy your skates locally
> instead. It costs money to stock those skates that you're fitting. When you do
> find one that fits, you should reward the local vendor for his efforts. With
> his support, he has added value to the skates you're buying (i.e., They fit!).

Well, I know what size I need from trying on a friend's pair.

I also really like the local suppliers - they are good people.

I simply cannot afford to pay US$ 375 for a pair of TRS skates.

They have old 608 Lightenings (no buckles) for a mere US$290! I gather the 
list price in the US is less than US$200.

If it was simply a case of $20 more, I would more than gladly purchase locally.
I will not be buying new skates locally unless they arrange a more direct 
importing method which cuts out the 2-3 middle men which currently take
a slice of the profit...

Cheers!
DAve.

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From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Subject: Selecting blades
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 21:00:25 GMT

Well, ice skaters, we're getting inundated with 'blading' postings, so
here is a question that (hopefully) will result in more ice skating
traffic.  I recently bought a pair of boots (SP-Teris) and rather than
get new blades, I got an old pair from a skating friend and got George to
mount them.  They're Single Stars or Silver Stars, I can't remember the
name exactly.  Anyway, I'm getting used to the toe picks, which needless
to say are huge compared to those on the rental skates I used to use.

My question is, how do I go about selecting blades?  Boots are easy-
fit, support, stiffness, etc.- but what constitutes a good blade?

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: durometer question
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:13:31 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <cduPbTC00WBM048kVq@andrew.cmu.edu> ja2c+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Ambroziak) writes:
> I'm looking for my first pair of in-line skates and am looking for
> skates with good, fast, durable wheels.  To my great surprise, noone
> seems to know how the durometer rating relates to durability or hardness.
> 
> Could someone please tell me what the basis of the durometer rating is
> (seems to range from 78 to 85).  If you don't know the technical basis,
> could you please give me some idea of how a lower rating is better as
> per feel and durability.  
> 
> Any input is greatly appreciated.  I rented a cheap pair of skates this
> weekend and really ate through the wheels in about 8 hours of skating on
> fairly smooth paved surfaces.

Durometer is a relative hardness measure frequently used for rubber
and plastic products.  The measurement is made with a dial-indicator
device that measure how deep of an impression a rounded probe makes
in the material with a certain amount of spring force.  There are
several scales, the "A" scale (indicated by a A suffix on the rating)
is used for wheels.  The number is just the indication (from 0-100)
on the measuring device, with 0 being no resistance and 100 being
pretty hard stuff.

For a given wheel material, hardness has some relation to durability,
for instance two polyurethane wheels of similar material but different
hardness, the harder on will last somewhat longer, but this is really
more dependent of the detailed wear mechanisms than hardness.

Generally the durometer rating is an indication of how much cushioning
the wheel is going to give you.  For rough surfaces, you want a soft
wheel that will damp out the vibrations/buzz.  For smoother surfaces,
a harder wheel will give you less drag.  Some hockey / skateboard
types may also prefer a harder wheel becuase it is easier to get it
to slide.

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From: adchen@light.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:02:18 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <NIGEL.92Apr17114948@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov> nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov writes:
>
>Do any of the RB tapes show good braking technique?  Maybe we all
>ought to get together someplace sunny and make a training film ;-).
>
>I vote east coast ;-).

Someplace sunny on the east coast...is that possible? 8-)  Only place
rainier than the east coast is Seattle 8-).   Seems like Hawaii would be 
nice.

-Tony Chen 
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin)
Subject: figure skate recommendations/FAQ?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 11:41:01 GMT

I'm considering buying my own skates because I'm getting tired of the 
variability in rental skates.  Does anyone have any recommendations on what I
should look for?  Is there an FAQ somewhere for ice skating?

-- 
Antonio Querubin  
tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org / querubin@uhunix.bitnet
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From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Subject: Katarina (was Re: Petrenko as Pro)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:26:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.172517.1407@wdl.loral.com> zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes (in part):
>I agree- Madonna (oops, I mean Katarina) did a lot more slithering than
>skating (I counted 1 jump and 1 spin).  

And for those who saw the interview a little later, even Katarina admitted 
that the program had more "posing (her words)" than skating...

Helena Robinson
AT&T
Basking Ridge, NJ
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New account will hopefully be activated soon.

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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Re: Areo vs Cool or is it Kool?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:40:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.160129.28410@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) writes:
>Anybody have any idea what the difference is -- other than the wheels which  
>come on the things...I *assume* the clearance is the same and I could slap on a  
The C(K?)ool Blades don't have the wizzy memory-type foam that the Aero
Blade has.
>set of the 908 (77mm?) wheels at some later date ? Also what might be a good  
>price for these beasts...A local place had Areo's for $295 and the others for  
>$275, I only found one mail-order dealer and they were $259 and $249, but  
>recently a new local place quoted me $240 even for the Cools...I'm not real  
>fond of either local place as they barely know what these things are...

You CAN run larger wheels in the C(K)ool Blade because it uses the very
same runner as the AeroBlade.

>
>thanx in advance,
>
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From: kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Laguna Seca Challenge- 11mi inline race
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:00:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)

kimon@iat.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:

>The In-Line Skate Races will be conducted on the world famous Laguna Seca
>Raceway on Saturday, April 11.  Registration opens at 7:30am.  Novice
>races start at 8:00am, expert races start at 8:00 open to skaters with
                                              ^^^^

9:30am, actually.  Sorry.

Kimon
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Olympic demo sport
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:15:42
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: rosen@radar.bu.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 06:10:13 GMT

In article <ROSEN.92Apr16021013@radar.bu.edu> rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen) writes:

   Are inline skates allowed/used for this?  I assume if it is so popular
   that it dates back to the quad days.

Dates back to the quad days eh? They are still around I have to tell
you :-). Here is some history from the book "The Complete Book of
Roller Skating", Ann-Victoria Phillips, Workman Publishing, 1979:


"One hundred years ago, it was called roller polo; today, it's called
roller hockey, but no matter how you call it, or whether you play it
with a curved stick or an ice hockey stick, the essential game is the
same. ...

Although field and ice hockey came first, as soon as roller skates
became widely available, America put the game on wheels. By the
1880's the United States had a number or roller polo leagues and the
game was firmly established. It was not officially sanctioned as an
amateur sport, however, until the 1950's. By then, thousands of roller
hockey leagues were established throughout the country."

The chapter goes on to explain 4 forms or roller hockey:

Ball Hockey                     - official competition worldwide sport
Puck Hockey (American Style)    - official competition (US) sport
Puck Hockey (League Style)      - NHL style rules, no official competitions
Street Hockey


There is no checking in Ball Hockey and Puck Hockey (American Style).


Anybody else interested in roller skating history, BTW?

Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
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From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Re: Petrenko as Pro
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:48:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.131204.10167@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
>htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:
>
> - Anybody else wonder about Katarina Witt's victory in light of her Diet Coke
>   commercials and the fact that Coke sponsored this event?  Though her 
>   technical program was the best I've seen from her in a long time and her 
>   artistic was better than in her show, I can't help but think Debi Thomas got
>   robbed.
>
>Yup, me too.  I was actually wondering if there wasn't a possible
>conflict of interest with Hamilton winning on the men's side, as well;
>after all, CBS is a major sponsor of the event too, from paying $$$
>for the TV rights.  But I don't think Hamilton himself would be a
>party to rigging the judging.  I've heard that he's been trying hard to
>make professional competitions more respectable, with more consistent
>rules and judging and a union (?) to look after the skaters'
>interests.
>
>-Sandra

a whole group of us had assembled in front of a big screen tv to watch
both days of the competition, and since the group in general has
problems with katarina -- we were relieved as she was finishing her
"artistic" program -- there was no doubt that she had lost --- as
clearly liz manley had her beat, and even scott said that she hadn't
skated much at all -- let's face it, for the first two minutes, she
just stood there, shook her ass and posed, and then threw in, what,
two jumps before posing some more.......in a red leotard.......and
then we saw STRAIGHT TENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  the room went silent.  we
didn't understand what we had just witnessed!  it was the most blatant
piece of unethical bullshit i have ever witnessed in a competition.
and then to deny debi a chance at the gold by scoring katarina so
high.....what happpened to leaving room........just in case.....
(other questionalbe  results include the canadians getting a bronze in
albertville, when the czechs were clearly superior in performance --
though not necessarily potential -- and at the worlds' where lu chen
was placed lower than kerrigan -- and kerrigan fell in both programs,
and was popping jumps like popcorn, whereas lu never fell, and doubled
two jumps that should have been triples in her long program, and
skating a brilliant short...........even kerrigan's parents'
were shocked (see a recent sports illustrated article) at that injustice.....)

life ain't fair, i guess......
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Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:31:50 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.143612.5206@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, csampso@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Charles Sampson) writes:
>... 
> I agree with getting it out clearly.  I was learning to skate and three different 
> people on bicycles came behind me (at different times) and all I heard was left
> or right.  The first time I moved left because that's what I heard.  The next
> thing I heard was squealing brakes and some guy cursing because I moved in his
> path (natuarlly I told him to get the marbles out of his mouth so I could hear
> him. Torqued him off :-) The second time I didn't move either way and the third
> time I figured out what was going on.  SO, SPEAK CLEARLY.
> 

	"ON your LEFT" is a pretty standard biking phrase (meaning bike/passing
on your left).  It is confusing at first (my wife kept insisting I was saying
TO your left :).

	I like "PASSING on your LEFT" now.  It seems to convey the message more
clearly.  With emphasis on PASSING and LEFT, the person in front usually gets
the message :).
               
Brett
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From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Subject: Martini and Underhill
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:08:29 GMT

Another short note on the Diet Coke competition:  Was anyone else as
dazzled by Martini and Underhill as I was?  I thought that they were
not just good, they were HOT!

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From: kevins@primitives.inslab.uky.edu (Kevin Solie)
Subject: Re: Areo vs Cool or is it Kool?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:32:17 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr16.160129.28410@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John  
Soward) writes:
> Anybody have any idea what the difference is -- other than the wheels which  
> come on the things...I *assume* the clearance is the same and I could slap on  
a  
> set of the 908 (77mm?) wheels at some later date ? Also what might be a good  
> price for these beasts...A local place had Areo's for $295 and the others for  
> $275, I only found one mail-order dealer and they were $259 and $249, but  
> recently a new local place quoted me $240 even for the Cools...I'm not real  
> fond of either local place as they barely know what these things are...
> 
> thanx in advance,
> 
> --
>     ________________________________________________________________________
>    /   'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror  /
>   /      soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail)       /
>  /_______________________________________________________________________/
I think you should buy the CoolBlades ;^)

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From: jaw35117@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joel A. Walberg)
Subject: Re: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:31:32 GMT

rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen) writes:

>On the one hand, a more effective and easier-to-learn brake would be
>desirable, especially for beginners.  It took me a long time to feel
>comfortable braking -- though I mostly avoided urban environments
>until I did.  One new product I saw in an article in the Boston Globe
>awhile ago is a brake you attach to the bottom of a hockey stick,
>which you then put down in front of you and lean on to stop.  This is
>probably good for beginners, as it does not require that you lift any

This sounds like a good way to be impaled!  I think I will stick to the rear
brake since it works rather well once you get used to it.

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