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From: jstc_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (j. collins)
Subject: Re: Vikings comments
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:25:55 GMT

In <1992Dec22.003553.10290@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:

>In light of the Vikings clinching the NFC Central I thought I'd share with you 
>all some comments on the Vikings from a life-long Packer fan.  First of all as 
>a Packer fan it is understood that you hate the Bears.  (your just pretending 
>if you don't).  I've always wanted to hate the Vikings as well, but I couldn't.
> They've always made me laugh.  I've compiled a list of tren reasons the 
>Vikings make me laugh.

>                    1.  Those purple uniforms.

oh, like green and yellow just impress the hell out of me.

>                    3.  Jerry Burns  (the grumpyist coach I've ever seen)

agree here...

>                    5.  They always seem to back into the playoffs

but they seem to make it into the playoffs, makes you wonder now doesn't it.

>                    7.  Hershel Walker

I do not want to laugh, just cry

>BTW, this is not meant as a flame.  I just think they are funny.

I do not know, having a packer fan laugh at the vikings seems more like a
flame to me...

>Paul (flashbacks of '89, YUCK!)

-justin m. collins <jstc_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu>
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Over-rated players???
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:18:32 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec23.110451.1@vaxc> accdtg@vaxa.hofstra.edu writes:
>My guess would be Deion Sanders of the Falcons, but what do you guys think?
>

My guess would be that you're right.  I would say Herschel, but he actually
has talent -- he just doesn't use it.

Daniel Welch
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:54:28 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

>In article <13773@express>, currie@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Currie) writes:
>->COME ON!  Buerlein???  Tomczak???  These guys are no better (possibly
>->worse) than what the Vikings have now.  I agree the Vikings can improve
>->themselves by upgrading the QB position, but I don't think the rest of
>->the NFC is `shivering' at the prospect.  They still have questionable
>->special teams, a running back who fumbles waaay too often, and an
>->overly conservative offensive scheme.
>->        
>->Kim
>->
>Are you a guy or a gal???  Either way, you don't know what you are talking 
>about.


What does this person's sex have to do with their analysis? What, men can't
discuss things rationally? Or women can't? I think you are out of line here.
Leave a person's sex out of the discussion and just respond to the posting.

Well, that is enough flaming, you will probably get more publicly on the net.
I have to admit though, I think your posting merits a public apology.

Tom Wolf
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From: istre@ricevm1.rice.edu
Subject: It's NEVER over (Oilers 17 Browns 14)
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:30:24 GMT

Yesterday, I am watching my favorite team, the Oilers, play the Browns. The
Browns are up 14-3 when the Browns stop the Oilers on FOUR tries from the
one-inch line. Then on the Oilers' next series, Cody Carlson is picked off
by the Browns' Everson Walls with less than seven minutes left in the game.
Since the Oilers were virtually shooting themselves in the foot at every
opportunity and had not shown any inclination to do otherwise, I figure this
one is in the books, click off the TV, and proceed to take care of errands.
 
Fast forward about 30 minutes. Upon completing one of my errands, I hop into
my truck and click on the radio to see how the game came out. The first
thing I hear is Oiler announcer Tom Franklin talking about the Browns needing
to CONSERVE their timeouts. The usually loud and raucous Cleveland Stadium
is deafly quiet. The Oiler have the ball at their 21 when Lorenzo White runs
the screen down the the Brown 11. The Oilers' announcers are going completely
bonkers and I begin to wonder if this was the same game that I was watching
just a little while ago. I guess that the score is probably tied. Then
Carlson hits Ernest "Electric Slide" Givens with the touchdown pass and all
I can hear is Frankin yelling "TOUCHDOWN!, TOUCHDOWN!, TOUCHDOWN!". I then
learn that was the GO-AHEAD score. I think to myself "UNBELIEVEABLE!"
 
Yes, I was one of the fans who turned off the game early despite my long-time
belief in the Yogi Berra saying that "It is never over until it is over". It
looks like I need to stick to that belief more often no matter how the season
or game is going.
 
I am still very disappointed in the Oilers this season. With 11 of their 16
games in domed stadiums and three of the first four and three of the last
four in the Astrodome, this was supposed to be the year when they won home-
field advantage throughout the playoffs. But instead, they have done the
usual; They have gagged games that they should have won thus the best they
will get is three playoff games ALL ON THE ROAD. Needless to day, the pat-
ience of Oilers' fans is wearing very thin.
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From: roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Detailed Playoff Picture [LONG]
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:30:12 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC

In article <1992Dec23.020507.17052@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> danp@sabre.bellcore.com (Daniel Pomplun) writes:

>The 6 teams from each conference are ranked as follows:
>  Div1, Div2, Div3, WC1, WC2, WC3
>Hopefully, everything is correct.  Let me know if it is not.

Here we go! You wrote:

>Houston (9-6)  Buffalo
>
>	loss & Denver win				- WC2

and then

>Denver (8-7)  at Kansas City
>
>	win & Houston loss				- WC2

Obviously they (Houston & Denver) can't both have WC2. If Houston
loses, they will be WC3, indipendently from Denver@KC game.

########################################################################
# Roberto Ricca                 Email:      roberto@oas.olivetti.com   #
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#           1998:   JUVENTUS for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP                #
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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Charger-mania..
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:59:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


..has hit SD in full force. The "the BOLT is back" T-shirt
that Chris Berman showed on NFL GameDay was the hottest selling item
in the past 3 weeks. Ever since Humphries did a post-game TV interview 
in that T-shirt, store owners have had problems keeping up with the 
demand. 

Notes:

* Humphries outlook looks positive. The swelling in the left shoulder 
  has gone down, and he has good motion in that shoulder. Ross indicated
  that Humphries might even see some practise time Wed and/or Thur.

* IMO, its that damn astro-turf that is the cause for the Humphries 
  injury. 

* There are no serious injuries to other players. Some have niggling 
  injuries, but they will all play.

* The game on Sat is a sell-out.

* The SD @ Sea game last Sunday pull a 35.6 rating and a 63% share in SD.
  By the end of the game, it was a 38.8 rating and a 68% share.

* SD schedule for next season:

     Home: KC, Rdrs, Sea, Den, Mia, Hou, Minn, TB
     Away: KC, Rdrs, Sea, Den, Pitt, Ind, GB, Chi

  [AFC West plays NFC Central]

_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Playoff question
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:25:19 GMT

new orleans would play the 49ers since they are the wildcard team. i remember
the falcons and NO played in the first round last year and the falcons 
went on to play the best team (washington). i think the division rule
is out the door.

							vinnie
From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 'Twas NBC Re: Raiders vs. Redskins (CBS' unprofessionalism)
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:48:19 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:

> In article <Bzw5B5.33n@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
> >After Washington's touchdown that put them in the lead 20-14 in the fourth
> >quarter, CBS displayed the words to "Hail to the Redskins" while the
> >Redskins' marching band played the song. I thought that NFL football
> >coverage was supposed to be unbiased. I guess I was wrong. This was a very
> >unprofessional move by CBS.
> >Disclaimer: I am neither a Raiders fan nor a Redskins fan, but I am a Bills
> >fan.
> 
> It was NBC, not CBS.  I am a Redskins fan and also believe they were very
> unproffesional.  It was obvious from the pre-game show that the announcers
> were biased towards Washington.  In my opinion NBC has the worst football
> coverage of the three non-cable networks (ESPN is THE worst; ought to
> axe Theismann).  Just my opinions, nothing more.

Let's hope that ABC will do a better job broadcasting
the playoff games.
BTW...
1)  Which games will be broadcasted on ABC,
2)  Is this the second year that ABC has [partial] playoff rights

Jim G.
I'm still stunned over Miami win and Buffalo loss!!!
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Chargers D WINS IT!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:30:21 GMT

In article <42989@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.000805.8693@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>> FINAL: Chargers  17   Chiefs  0
>> 
>> Well, the Chargers have not stopped being the Cinderalla
>> team of the 1992 season. Next stop, Miami. Hmmmm, I wouldn't
>> bet against the Chargers based on their Defensive play.
>> Of course, IMHO, I don't think the Chiefs offerred a
>> multi-faceted offense, at least not today. This is NOT
>> a knock or flame towards the heralded San Diego Chargers.
>> My point is, IMHO, against a more multi-facet offense, the 
>> Chargers could have problems. The Miami - Chargers games
>> will certainly be interesting!!
>
>Is Miami really multi-faceted?  They have Marino and the passing
>game, but can they run the ball well? With Higgs gone,
>we will see what Humphry can do. 
>
>Yes, the Chargers might have problems against multi-facted 
>offenses [who doesn't?]. But IMO Miami is not such a team. 
>Dallas, SF, Buffalo.. now those are multi-faceted.
>
Trust me, Miami was NOT in my mind when I mentioned a mult-facted
team, as you so appropriately pointed out. Likewise, mentioning
Dallas and SF was appropriate and Buffalo, well with Kelly out,
that takes out a MAJOR part of the multi-facet offense IMHO.
I wouldn't mind a Niners-Chargers SB!

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The NFC Playoffs Begin
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:20:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IfEERe_00WDKIFlp0u
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 The NFC Playoffs
Begin 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (748)

> Congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys, NFC East Champs.  The most
> wins (13) in team history.  A team that will be a force in the
> NFL for years to come, with fine coaches, management, and players.


I agree with you on this (although I don't like the idea! ;D) but what
if free agency happens in the off-season!? With some of the egos in
Dallas, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team practically dismantled,
except that Jones will probably pay them through-the-nose to keep them
all there.........

what do you folks think?

--Vernon.
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: NEW VIKING QB?!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:34:12 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: Sean,

Do u think that the 9er front office would be foolish enough
to trade Joe to a tough NFC rival like the Vikings. In the
same breath, I do not know whether Joe is allowed to have
his choice or the 9er front office decides it for him as to
which team he will go to.

If the front office has the say, expect him to be traded to
some weak AFC team, which has no serious prospects of making it
to the Super Bowl for another 2-3 yrs, which is how long one
can expect Joe to last.

S.H
Forever Vikings Period.
From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chuck Cecil in Pro Bowl???????
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:44:32 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Dec28.155709.25287@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
>
>Can anyone tell me how a no-talent, cheap-shot artist thug like Chuck Cecil
>made the pro bowl??  Numerous times in Sundays game I saw him make pathetic
>efforts at tacking the Viking ballcarrier.  He would either try to spear them
>or cut out their knees.  What a jerk!!  He is lucky that Randall McDaniel or
>Tim Irwin did not kill him.  He is an asshole, as evidence by his on-camera
>flip-off to the entire Viking bench.  What a loser.
Don't be too hasty in calling anyone a no-talent player, or a cheap-shot
artist.  First of all, Chuck had one of his worst games on Sunday, he's played
MUCH better in past games.  Second of all before you start whining about poor
behavior on the field let's remember exactly where they were.  Chuck has been
on the losing Packers for 5(five?) years now.  And hey! finally they have a
chance to make the playoffs, he's in the pro-bowl!  Don't you think there just
might be a little emotion there?  As for being a pathetic tackler, get your
head out of your ass. Everybody misses plays now and again, Chuck just had a
bad game Sunday. He wouldn't have made the pro-bowl if he couldn't tackle
or play the game, ask Reggie Cobb, they met plenty during that game.

-Chris C.
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Carter...Ready for the Playoffs.
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 23:26:56 GMT

In article <BzqBsx.JEn@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>Minnesota's Carter, the Chris variety :-) will be ready for the
>playoffs, but he will not play this Sunday against the Pack.

Boy, this is indeed good news.  Let's hope that one of our QBs can get
the ball somewhere near him. :-)


>Win or Lose, Vikes and Twins forever.

You bet!  Hoooooray for the signing of big Dave!  (I know this isn't
r.s.b., but it's worth the one line.  So shoot me. :-) )


>Minnesota Vikings - 1992 NFC-Central Champs!!!

Gotta leave this line in here. :-)


>Here's a fly-ball by Larkin over the head of the Braves' out-fielders,
>Gladden Scores and once again the Minnesota Twins are baseball's 
>world champions and the crowd loves it.
>                           Herb Carneal (The Voice of the Twins)

Herb is the greatest.  I can sometimes get WCCO at night here in Pullman,
and it's always a treat to hear him and John doing the play-by-play.
Whoops, I've slipped again... we now return to r.s.f.p.


Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:03:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.223429.20968@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>>current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3
>
>>Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>>Does anyone want a play by play?
>
>The W00F G0DS have spoken.
>
>John -- next week, when the Chargers are up 42-7 on Miami at the half,
>please please please don't post anything during the game, ok?
>
GRINNNN! Now Mark, you don't really believe what I posted EARLY had any
bearing on the games outcome, did you??? :-)  If you do, I will
start a bidding war now. Whoever pays me the most $$$$$, 
will get me to post in favor of the opposite team, i.e., what team
do you to want lose, then I will post in their favor. :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Niners Win (Montana is Back - I hope)
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:47:32 GMT

<1992Dec29.051026.12084@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>FINAL:  Niners  24  Lions  6
>Montana stats:  12/15  126 yds  2 TDs
>Young stats:  12/18  153 yds  0 TDs
...
>for his FIRST TD!   Montana received a well deserved
>ovation from the Candlestick faithful and I can assure 
>you that the patrons at the MNF game at Charlie Browns
>were equally ethused!  His performance for 2 quarters was
>pretty good, I'd say. Two TD's, and 126 yards passing, NO INTs.
>Better than some QBs did this year playing 4 qtrs and playing
>all year long!

Also better than that other QB who played the first two quarters.  You
know, the one being considered for MVP.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 11:06:43 GMT

In <1992Dec23.185154.10142@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>gr> Gary Rosen
>hw> Holly Wise
>gs> Gary Strand

>gs> If a team favored by ~3 TDs can just barely beat a turd 4-10 team, they 
>    don't deserve to be in the NFL.

[...]

>gr> In your own words, the 'Niners "don't belong in the league".

>  I was merely using the Gloria system for determining which teams belong and
>  which don't.

Piffle!  Even Niners fans came down on Gloria for that twaddle.

[...]
>  Like I said, I'm a anti-niner-whiner. You guys still have a long ways to go
>  to come back from last year's flood of whining. I've never seen anything so
>  pathetic. Apparently, unless SF is in the Super Bowl, something is wrong
>  with the NFL. Nuts to that attitude!

Oh yeah, like this is the only whining that's ever gone on on the net. 
I seem to remember a lot of whining when the Bills lost to Miami.  OC,
there wasn't much whining when the Bills lost the SB last year, because
the fans half expected it.  But to suggest that Niner fans are any more
guilty of excessive whining than any other fans of any other team that
has an unexpected setback is ridiculous.  I suspect that this selective
vision is probably based on jealousy of the Niner's four SB rings.  :-)

>  BTW, do you give any credit to the Bills?

Sure.  Sweeping the NFC west, and becoming the first AFC team to beat
the Saints in gawd-knows-how-long is an impressive feat!  I'd rate the
Bill's chances of winning it all this year much higher than I did at the
beginning of the season.  The Bills are awesome!

But consider this, oh ye Bills fans.  The Bills, like the Niners last
year, have won their division several years in a row, and played in most
of the most recent Superbowls.  If the Bills had failed to make the
playoffs this year, you'd surely see a lot of whining by Bills fans! 
Especially if they had a 10-6 record, and teams with 8-8 records *were*
going to the playoffs?  Oh sure, maybe *you* can take it like a man (or
whatever), but you can damn well bet that the net would be filled with
"if only"'s and "it shouldda"'s.  Judge not, and all that.

And keep in mind, when you post this harsh and shallow criticism, that
you are helping other form their own (possibly equally shallow) opinions
of Bills fans.

Cheers, and happy holidays
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Imaginary guitar notes [...] exist only
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |  in the imagination of the imaginer" --FZ
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers Defensive Coordinator?
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:55:19 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <ljv574INNolv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:

> Who is the 49ers defensive coordinator?  Who was the defensive
> coordinator last year?  Do they even have one?

Bill McPherson. Bill McPherson. Yes.

Bill's been with SF since the other Bill guy ;-) became head coach in
'79, although I can't remember if he was always the defensive
coordinator.

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Land of the Giants
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers/Vikes ...
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:34:19 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <Bzy1E3.2CJ@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes...

>The best comment on CBS by the commentator sums up what
>I feel.
> 
>"The Vikes came out to this game with a point to prove about
>their dominance of the NFC-Central and they feel that they
>have put the Packers back where they belong"
> 
>Total dominance by the Vikes on both sides of the ball
>and all u Pack fans who belittled the Vikes....well
>now u know what is what and who is who, now that the Vikes
>have stuffed the football in ur big mouths.  
> 
>Nuff' said and BTW, I hate to see those Skins come
>into the Dome and the Skins players have already started
>woofing.

This shows real class.

I'm trying to overcome my disappointment and cheer for the Vikings in 
the playoffs but you people are making it *real* hard.

JGH
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