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From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <95543@bu.edu>, bwang@csa.bu.edu (Biao Wang) writes...
> the piece of land called Taiwan is recognized by most of the nation in the
> world as owned by the Chinese government which is the CCP. So people lived
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> in Taiwan right now are lived on "robbed" land, are you saying they have
> no shame at all:)

Are you owned by CCP?
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese Imperial Army Was Invited by CCP?
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:49:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:

>The above speculation is confirmed by my grandchildren,

I guess you mean't grandparents....

>who were on the scene, on that day of 1937, at the Marco 
>Polo Bridge.

>At the time, CCP forced a couple of the Japanese 
>soldiers to make some water. Since they were too slow 
>in doing that...(you know what happened.)

They didn't say anything about shots being invovled?

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Change in spelling of Chinese names
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:10:31 GMT

In article <yzhou.716268159@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou) writes:
>yy7085@meibm10.cen.uiuc.edu () writes:
>
>>Now ShanXI is for Shan1Xi1 and ShaanXi (yes 2 a's ) is for Shan3Xi1. This
>                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
>>was started more than five years ago to avoid the confusion.
>
>
>  Can anybody out there confirm this?  Seems like I need to take some Chinese
>  class again. :-)
>
>

Surely that is true. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: More on LLWS
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:12:49 GMT

In article 61817@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, hm514600@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Henry Manguerra) writes:
>the age requirement and the second one is that Zamboanga thing.  You bet I 
>am not an authority when it comes to Little League Baseball, but when I watched
>the World Series in ABC, I guess I learned from the commentators that the
>players should be 13 years old or under on August 1, 1992 (did I say
>this right?). This means that some of the boys can be almost 13 years old and
>older than 12 (I hope I do make sense!).  Anyway, if the second allegation
>(Zamboanga thing) is right, I hope one of our boys comes from my own Bicol
>region...

Any player on a team participating in the LLWS this year must have been 12 years of
age or under on August 1, 1992. Thus, if a player turned 13 after 08/01, 
he/she is still eligible.

The distance issue may be significant if it can be proven. However, in that AP
report, the main HQ had already checked them out. 

IMHO, it's just another baseball dad bitching and moaning that his boy's
team couldn't win The Big One so that his boy can get an inside track to
a major league career, so he kicks up some dirt to see if any of it sticks.

Like I asked, I wonder who really wanted the title most, the players or
their parents. 

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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              | Zamboanga City, Philippines
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           | 1992 Little League World
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) | Champs - And LA can kiss
--------------------------------------------------| my ***!
~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Gov to Hold Peace Talks with NPA/CPP
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:02:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- The Philippine government would hold
peace talks with local communist guerrillas if rebel leaders living
abroad insist on having formal negotiations in a third country, the
defense secretary said Tuesday.
	``Certainly, we cannot allow ourselves to be compelled to go where
they want us to go,'' said Defense Secretary Renato de Villa.
	``The government can only go so far and the government can only give
so much. And when the point is reached that the government cannot give
anymore, then it will say so,'' he told reporters.
	Government emissaries flew to the Dutch city of Utrecht two weeks ago
and met with self-exiled communist leaders Jose Maria Sison and former
Roman Catholic priest Luis Jalandoni for ``exploratory talks'' on ending
the 23-year Marxist rebellion.
	Sison, a former university professor, founded the outlawed Communist
Party of the Philippines and has been tagged by the military as its
chairman.
	Both sides agreed to resume formal negotiations, which bogged down in
early 1987 under former president Corazon Aquino.
	The two rebel leaders, however, insisted the talks should be held in
a neutral country, a demand rejected by President Fidel Ramos who said
the insurgency was an internal problem.
	De Villa said Manila can still negotiate with members of the CPP's
influential Central Committee who are in the Philippines. He mentioned
Benito Tiamzon, a senior committee member and acting party chairman.
	Ramos, a retired general who took office June 30, has offered peace
to the guerrillas in a bid to settle one of the world's remaining
Marxist insurgencies.
	Political commentator Alex Magno said ``pragmatists'' and 
``ideologues'' within the communist movement are deeply divided on the
issue of holding the peace talks in Manila or abroad. He said talks with
local rebel leaders such as former guerrilla chieftain Romulo Kintanar
and National Democratic Front chairman Satur Ocampo, whom he said were
pragmatists, would be more substantive because they have broader support
from the movement.
	Sison, whom he described as an ideologue, was no longer in control of
the party. ``His real agenda is to corner the talks...to make it
inaccessible to other voices outside of the CPP,'' Magno said.
	``The government is not naive, it is well advised,'' he said,
referring to the presence of Horacio Morales and Bernabe Buscayno, two
respected former rebel leaders, as advisers on its panel.
	Buscayno founded the 13,000-member New People's Army, the CPP's armed
wing, while Morales formerly headed the NDF. ``Joema (Sison) is merely
decorative...I think he may not realize the endgame is his political
isolation. The more stubborn he is, the more he tightens the noose
around his neck,'' Magno said.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: strange last name for a Filipino
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:56:50 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

sue@byron.u.washington.edu (Shu-Chen Eclipse) writes:
>Uhhh, well I see now where my confusion (and those of the TV and magazine
>news reporters come from now... the subject of their reports were the ethinic
>Chinese in the P.I. and how they are prevented for becoming P.I. citizens...
> [ stuff deleted ]

>What these reporters must have seen were
>people born, serveral generations deep, in the P.I. unable to become P.I.
>citizens, and so labeled it as "being barred from obtaining citizenship" because    
>BECAUSE they were members of the ethinic-Chinese minority, without realizing,
>apparently, that the issue was more of dual-citizenship status.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  They are barred from becoming Filipino nationals because of the way the
R.P constitution defines a citizen.  Essentially, Filipinos are those
born of Filipino parents (Jus sanguini) or those who had been naturalized.
It is not really whether you were born and raised in R.P. but whether your
parents are Filipino citizens.  
   Thus, for those whose parents are not Filipino citizens, the only way 
of becoming a Filipino national is by being naturalized.


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* bombim cadiz             | Theorem:   The early bird gets the worm. *
* cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu | Corollary: The early worm gets eaten.    *  
***********************************************************************
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 16:31:17 MST
From: <IDJDM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Snide Remarks by Brent Musburger?
 <1685DD4B9.FREE1263@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> <5010@sumax.seattleu.edu>

Personally, I would disregard the entire statement on the grounds that I was no
t raised to believe in Darwinism, nor to support Darwin's beliefs.  Enough peop
le will raise the issue against Musburger.  I would prefer not to say anything
to cause myself to come down to his level.  You know how the old cliche goes, "
Opinions are like a__holes, we all have one."  Obviously Mr. Musburger was expr
essing his opinion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: More Little League
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:44:36 GMT

From the _Chicago Tribune_ and wire reports today:

Little League officials say they don't have enough information to file a 
formal protest regarding allegations that the Philippines team used older
players when it won the championship, but said an investigation will
continue.
-----
Like you really wanted to know.

******************************************************************************
--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              |  So, baseball is not run
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |   by the commissioner, but
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) |    by lawyers.
--------------------------------------------------|
~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
******************************************************************************
From: joelim@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Joseph S. Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: The Indigenous North
Date: 11 Sep 92 05:25:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


	Yello. I tried posting this letter last week but something went
wrong. SO if this message is a repeat, sorry.  

	Anyway, last year I performed in UCLA's Pilipino Culture Night (PCN).
I did Tinikling and the Illongot War Dance.  This got me interested in the
lifestyles of the Igorots. So just out or curiosity, does anyone know any-
thing about them. For example, what they did everyday, what they did to  
survive and defend themselves, what kind of animals they raised and what 
kind they hunted. All I know right now is that they live in the Northern
Mountains of the Philippines, the Cordillera Mountain Range. It was pretty
fun to play the part of a headhunter. I'm doing another Igorot dance or two
for next year's PCN, and I just want a little bit of history on it.
If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it, thanks.

						JOE
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 15:24:17 CDT
From: Carlo A. Arcilla <U25720@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject:    Bulosan Play Showing in Chicago!



There has been rave reviews in Chicago about a play entitled
"America at Heart" by Carlos Bulosan, performed by the Pintig
Arts Presentation. In response, they are extending the show.

Below are details for those interested:

where: Greenview Arts Center
       6418 N. Greenview (close to Devon Ave. & Ashland)
ticket:$15
when:
Sept. 18, Friday, 8 PM
Sept. 19, Saturday, 8 PM
Sept. 20, Sunday, 2 PM (last presentation)

Caloy Arcilla
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: Where is everybody? : -)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:45:25 GMT

In <1992Sep10.225754.28919@odin.corp.sgi.com> aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa) writes:

>Custom here in the US is that during the reception, tapping the silverware
>on the glass cause the bride and the groom to kiss.  And you can keep on
>doing this all reception long.

I think this started as a Chinese tradition in HK and Taiwan that found its way
to the US via Chinese immigrants who got married there. I believe this became
a popular gimmick in weddings so much that some restaurants/hotels prohibited
tapping the silverware on the glass because the expensive and delicate glasses
often got chipped. Besides, its irritating as hell to hear a choir of "clinks"
that go out-of-tune.

Singing "love songs" is a more civilized alternative. To the uninitiated, medyo
baduy sa una, pero after awhile it's really fun because each table in the
reception is expected to stand up and sing a song - and the song chosen must be
original (i.e. not previously sang by another table). To add pakulo to the fun,
you try to think of a song that reflects the character of the newlyweds. For
instance, to a palikero friend of mine who finally got married we sang Julio
Iglesias' "To all the girls I've loved before". Baduy, yes! But boy, did it
bring the house down. BTW, it's not necessary to sing the entire song, but just
a segment long enough for it to be recognized. In short, it's a great way to
get everyone involved in the reception.

>Now, the part of the singins is probably a new thing that the DJ was
>trying out...you know...to make it lively!

Yeah Aimee, bagong "bongga" ng Social Distortion, perhaps ?!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: millan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Yen!!!
Reply-To: millan@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:59:54 GMT

Dear Netters,
  Does anybody out there know of the node/system names for email at
the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ) in New
Brunswick, NJ, especially for the molecular genetics dept/division?
  In particular, i would very much like to be able to get in touch 
with Yen Bawagan, a good friend of mine when i was at Rutgers U.
  If anyone can furnish info, (or if you're reading this yourself,
Yen!), i would appreciate hearing of it on my account:
  MILLAN@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
  
  Thanx so much!

  M I K O

mitchel d. millan
department of chemistry
brandeis university
waltham, ma 02254-9110
(617)736-2577, 78
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: temiraso@vela.acs.oakland.edu (thomas e mirasol)
Subject: Visa Restrictions?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:19:29 GMT

Regarding your question on travel tax.  I found out (at the
travel tax desk at NAIA) that those filipinos who have lived for
some time abroad (at least 1 year I think, maybe less) need only
present their latest philippine income tax return (filed
overseas, I'm not even sure if this pertains to US only) and you
can get away with a 20 pesos fee instead of 1620 pesos.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: A6241GAC@vm.univie.ac.at (Stockinger Johann)
Subject: Re: More Igorots
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:06:02 GMT


In fact the Ifugao people acted in the movie Apocalypse Now.
From: albert@nu.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Jose Ramon Albert)
Subject: "monkey" business
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:32:52 GMT

In a conversation I had with Hilarion Henares, I got to hear an interesting
rebuttal about Filipinos being monkey-like.  Hilarion says, 
" Americans should not forget that their ancestors were the barbarians --
  the Anglo Saxons, while we Filipinos have descended from the royalty,
  the noble blood of the Europeans.  They should not dare put us down.
  When they think of us as monkeys, we can always point to the 
  undeniable reality that they have more hair on their chest!"
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albert@ams.sunysb.edu                          pinanggalingan, di
Department of Applied Math and Statistics      makararating sa
State University of New York at Stony Brook    patutungohan" 
Stony Brook, NY 11794-3600
(516) 632-2192
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From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Gov Will Grant Safe Passage to Honasan
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:47:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- President Fidel Ramos Monday said he
would grant safe conduct to right-wing rebel leader Gregorio Honasan --
the country's most-wanted fugitive -- if it would help end one of the
Philippine's three insurgencies.
	``If it's for a peaceful purpose, why not?'' Ramos told reporters at
his weekly news conference.
	Honasan, a dismissed army colonel with a $200,000 price on his head,
serves as a top leader in the right-wing Reform the Armed Forces
Movement. Between 1986 and 1992, the RAM staged at least four of the
seven coup attempts that former President Corazon Aquino crushed during
her six-year reign.
	Monday, Ramos said he would allow Honasan to come out of hiding and
participate in peace talks without fear of arrest.
	RAM rebels represent just one of three groups fighting insurgencies
against the government. Communist guerrillas and Muslim separatists have
also been warring with the military for years.
	But recently, the RAM has expressed interest in proposed amnesty and
peace talks, while communist leaders have agreed to resume formal peace
talks that collapsed in 1987. However, Muslim-separatist leaders have
rejected the government's offer for ending hostilities.
	Monday, Ramos reiterated his demand that any negotiations with
insurgents be held within the Philippines, and not abroad. Exiled
communist chiefs would prefer to hold peace talks in a third country.
	But Ramos Monday insisted, ``It's best to talk in the Philippines, in
the homeland, and not wash our dirty linen abroad where outside
pressures could be put to bear on the talks and muddle the situation.''
	Partly because of the dispute over where to hold the talks, no date
has been set for resuming negotiations, which aim to end the communist's
23-year-old insurgency.
	All sides agree a cease-fire is not a pre-condition to talks.
	In fact, violence between government troops and the communist New
People's Army has increased -- apparently as both sides step up
operations to gain more leverage at the peace table.
	On Sunday, members of the 130,000-strong New People's Army ambushed a
jeep carrying five police officers and a militiaman, killing three.
	Two days earlier, government soldiers raided a house in the southern
part of the country and shot five NPAs dead.
	A day earlier, rebel forces ambushed a jeep in central Philippines,
killing all six soldiers and six militiamen aboard.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Luyen Nguyen, Afterthoughts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.035547.17686@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Ger writes...
> 
>      Allow me to intercede in the enlightened discussion on
> Luyen Nguyen.  I am pretty  much  sure  that  the  petition
> drive  is  going through smoothly, even with those explicit
> concerns and pessimism from other schools of thought.
> 
>      I have faith in the U.S. criminal justice system,  and
> the  alleged  culprits  of the Nguyen crime will have their
> day in court and possibly given fair and justified verdict.
> That's a constant, ergo a miniscule component of  a  bigger
> issue.
> 
>      The bigger issue, being  espoused  by  Chris  and  the
> petitioners, transcends beyond the legal boundaries of this
> country.   Being  white,  being  black, being yellow, being
> brown, being different,  in  the  U.S.A.  projects  unequal
> perceptions  and  social treatments in this society.  Being
> new in this country, and still  nursing  the  stigma  of  a
> foreign  war  in  Vietnam,  which  Mr. Nguyen categorically
> belongs, unfortunately, even poses a sad situation.  It  is
> even  worse when becoming victimized by an impulsive hatred
> and cultural indifference does not trigger serious concerns
> on the part of those who are the vicars and  protectors  of
> society, our law enforcement people and community leaders.
> 
>      While suspicions may arise on the honest agenda of the
> petitioners, questions should also be asked  of  those  who
> may  not  readily accept the sincerity of the petition.  So
> we  clarify  our  positions,   by   being   fortright   and
> straightforward.   We articulate and we defend.  And in all
> these presentations and persuasions,  we  must  not  forget
> that   the   higher   issue  is  human  dignity  and  human
> prerogative to a quality and safer life.
> 
>      My point, really,  is  that  any  attempt  to  exploit
> racial  issues  must  be  placed  on  an  open  stage to be
> queried.  Equally so, racial hatred in all its  forms  must
> not be left unchecked.
> 
>      The petition that was pushed by those  sincere  people
> is  one  great  platform  to keep the awareness of race and
> harmony unto a higher plane.  Support it when we truly feel
> that the Nguyen incident appears to be a national  pattern.
> Question  it  when we see that it may not go any further to
> crystallize cross-cultural consciousness.
> 
>      Did Rodney King request, "Can we not get along?"
> 
>                                            -TEG

I am convinced by the argument and have already added my name to the 
petition.  Incidentally, the much-vaunted American entitlement
to a "day in court" is, I believe, meant to refer to the plaintiff in
a civil action, not to the accused in a criminal prosecution who would
presumably be more than willing not to appear in court.

laurence
From: afalla@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Majority and MInority Parties
Reply-To: afalla@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:32:14 GMT


Could anyone furnish me with the majority and minority political parties
in the Philippine government?  My boss just asked me this question and
I couldn't answer him.  I think the information may have been posted 
before so I'm sorry to bring it up again.  It wasn't in the directory 
anymore when I looked.  Many thanks.

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Joval C. Afalla         |"The invention of the concept of cosmic purpose by
Chemistry Department    |theologians is, apart from the brutality towards
Brandeis University 	|individuals that they have inspired, their most serious
Waltham, MA 02254-9110 	|crime against humanity, for it has directed minds away
			|from real problems"  -from "Will Science Ever Fail?,"
			|in New Scientist
From: martyg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: More Igorots
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:14:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

Did you know Apocalypse Now was filmed in the Philippines?

Also, I believed in the last scenes or so, they used Filipino tribesmen
(and women) from the North.  Possibly Igorots.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino