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From: chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Norman Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: stereo system
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:04:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola Inc.

In article <42287@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, 
wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) wrote:
> 
> Hello, netters,
> 
> I am looking for a stereo system under $300.00.  It should
> include CD player, receiver, cassette deck, and speakers.  I am
> looking more for quality - I don't need much power.  Also, one
> remote that controls all components is desirable.  Can anyone
> recommend a set?
> 
> -fm
> 
> ps. I prefer to buy an integrated system from one manufacturer
> rather than separate components (less hassle).

If I understand you correctly, then $300 will buy you a very nice
CD boombox, complete with Tape well, radio, and speakers. Check
out Target, Kmart, WalMart, and other discount stores.

If you want "components", as in good separate audio components,
then $300 will buy you ONE very nice CD player.

Or did you mean under $3000.00?

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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:04:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Any Recommandations for Subwoofer around $300?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>> Could anyone recommand nice subwoofer for around $300?
>I'd be interested, as well.  I have an NAD 7240 receiver and Celestion
>3 speakers.  Thank you,
----------
My experience is that if you put together a nice sounding system for a given
budget and then get (I want to say cheap) low-priced subs, your overall
listening enjoyment could suffer as the low-priced subs sound very muddy to me.
It doesn't make alot of sense to get a great combo like the NAD/Celestion and
then ruin it with a muddy sub for critical music listening.

Then again, if you want to watch T2 and get more impact than the Celestion's
are capable of, then I'd turn the sub on for this and other videos where the
movie is more important than the sound.

my $0.02 worth

Kirk (good, clean, tight bass is damned expensive) out
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Subject: Tax DEDUCTIONS for 1992 MIDI Donations
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        I am co-chairman of the "PTF Education Committee" (PTF is
Parent-Teacher-Fellowship) for a private, non-profit, Christian elementary/
middle school in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. We have two known-to-be-working Apples
and one IBM PC. We also have an Apple that I have not looked at yet. The
school's name is Isaac Newton Christian Academy. Money is tight, and
the roof needs repair, so usually fund raising tends to be directed towards
things other than computers. :-(

        We are, right now, working on establishing a "Computer Lab", which
will include at least 1 of the systems set up for MIDI applications, and have
been talking about soliciting donations.

	We ask that if you have ANY Apple II or MS-DOS MIDI/Audio items, that
you would SERIOUSLY consider donating these to our school. Even if it is an 
item that needs repair, we'd be happy to accept it IF we know the repair costs
involved before it is shipped to us. We currently have one Yamaha (forget the
model) basic full-size, 61 key, 4-voice piano that has MIDI in/out/thru.

	Even though we will appreciate any donation, here are some specific
	things we are looking for at this time:

		o  MIDI Capable Full-Size Keyboards
		o  MIDI cards
		o  Music Education software such as Ear training, music
		    reading, music theory, keyboard skills, etc.
		o  Sequencing software
		o  Sound modules or cards (perhaps someone is sick of
		    their MT-32?)
		o  Amplifier/Speakers for Audio monitoring
		o  Programmable Drum machines with built-in sounds

	REMEMBER... this is a BONA FIDE non-profit organization!

Thank you for your consideration and support,

Bruce Rothwell

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: monitn@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Sony ES vs. Sony A/V receivers
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:28:35 GMT

A quick correction to my previous post. I made a guess that the ES line had
an across-the-board 5 year warranty. I received a note from Claude Whiting
(whiting@europa.eng.gtefsd.com) that the ES line had a 3 year warranty.
The 5 years which I thought of is something relating to the audio dealer
(Altair Audio) which sells Sony ES in my area. I believe that they warrant
anything they sell to you for 5 years under their own conditions...

Nick 
monitn@rpi.edu
From: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Cassette Deck Dilemma
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

My inexpensive, 10 year old Yamaha cassette deck won't work -- a cassette is
jammed in it and the door won't open.  (It's a Raffi tape -- incriminating
evidence that my 3 yo son is the culprit!)  I took apart the deck but still
couldn't get the darn door open.

So I am faced with a decision, now.  I could take it to get it serviced.  I
assume that a service call costs at least $40 to $50.  Any advice on these
choices:

        -  I pay to get the old deck fixed.  Least cost option. (I'm broke
these days.)

        -  I buy a new modestly-priced deck (maybe $300).  Is it possible to
get an adequate deck in this price range? What brands? Any 3-head ones?

        -  I wait and save money (very un-American) and buy a better deck, but
will this be another dying medium, like LP's.  

        -  I buy a DCC deck for $800, preserving my current investment in
cassettes, but giving the flexibility to use this new format.

For background, my system is very modest (Yamaha 40 w/ch receiver, Yamaha CD
changer, Bang & Olufsen turntable, Klipsch KG 4 speakers).  I don't really
like the sonic performance of cassettes, but I have some music in this format
that I don't have in any other format.  Also, I occasionally record tapes for
use in the car.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
-- 
Bob Smith
E-mail => Robert.D.Smith@daytonoh.ncr.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: fm@neptune.iex.com (Mohammad Farooq)
Subject: Recomendations for walkman
Originator: fm@neptune.iex.com
Organization: iex
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:37:58 GMT



I would like to give a walkman to a firend. I would like to spend no more than
$100. I would appreciate if someone can point to the right direction. I am looking for a walkman with a very good sound quality. I would appreciate any
information I can get. Thanks inadvance.
From: DHBHM@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Bruce H. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: tweaks for cheap speakers
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:42:15 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <12DEC199222565782@rigel.tamu.edu>
mjf9968@rigel.tamu.edu (Pi(3.143832666)) writes:
>        I wanted better bass response out of my el-cheapo
>Yamaha speakers (model NS-4),
>. . .
>                          And most importantly, is there
>anything I can do to "tighten" up the bass, without losing too
>much of the response, that will cost very little?  (If I had
>money I'd just buy some better speakers.)
>        In other words, I want a free lunch.
 
The first thing I'd recommend is making sure the woofers are sealed
properly to the cabinet.  Are the screws tightened evenly?  Is there
a gasket between the driver and the cabinet?  If no gasket, you can
gimmick up a quick-and-dirty one with some of that weatherproofing
rope caulk, available at any hardware store.
 
Next thing to check would be cabinet solidity.  If you can get into the
backs of the cabinets (and on most cheap speakers I'd expect you can), add
some strips of 2x2 running top-to-bottom along the sides; attach with Liquid
Nails construction adhesive.  Alternatively, you could cut panels of 3/4"
particle board or MDF (medium-density fiberboard) to fit the insides of the
cabinet, and glue them in.  This will change the interior volume of the
cabinet and alter the system's bass response somewhat, but with el cheapos,
that probably wasn't too critical to begin with.
 
That's about all I could come up with for massaging cheapo speakers.  Anything
else (new drivers, crossover modifications, etc.) rapidly reach the point of
diminishing returns, and you might as well buy new speakers.  Hope this helps.
 
Bruce H. McIntosh    brucem@neufhou.mail.ufl.edu            Jesus has risen!
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From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:47:45 GMT
Subject: Re: I just tested DCC and MD...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

> 	Ok.  i have some questions about these DCC and MD things.  Does MD
> use a similar frequency domain compression algorithm or some other
> unusual compression scheme?  Are the MD media enclosed in a cartridge or
> bare like CDs?

Enclosed.  They resemble a 3-1/2" floppy, right down to the little metal
"sliding door."



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From: fcaic@wbst845e.xerox.com (Frank Caico)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: >Why do people buy speakers that cost >$1000/pair ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:01:53 GMT
	<Bz2F5I.6GC@comp.vuw.ac.nz> <24386@alice.att.com>
Organization: Xerox, Webster, NY


> In article <Bz2F5I.6GC@comp.vuw.ac.nz> brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Brian Boutel)
> writes:
> 
> > Suppose for a moment that there are differences, and that you can *learn*
> to hear > them. In that case, should you learn, and then need to buy better
> cables, or not > learn, and save money?
> 
> Suppose for a moment that there are no differences, but that you can
> *learn* to pretend there are.  In that case, should you learn, and impress
> your friends, or not learn, and stay honest?  --
> 				--Andrew Koenig
> 				  ark@europa.att.com

Suppose for a moment that there are no differences but that you can learn
to beleive that you are learning to pretend there are.
lets also suppose that there are no differences and that learning there are
is also pretending to believe that you are learning no different than the
differences you are learning to differentiate. 
Should you learn to learn or is learning to believe that you are pretending
to learn learnable? should you hit n?

--
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: lee@don.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: Goldstar 345 Portable CD Player
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 18 DEC 92 17:06:31 CST

In a previous article, aclark@53iss5.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Allen Clark) wrote:
>I just bought a Goldstar 345 portable CD player and I have 15 days in
>which I can get my money back, no questions asked.  Whenever I mention
>Goldstar to people they groan, but the player looks OK.  Should I take
>it back?   Has anyone heard really bad things about Goldstar?  If so
>what is the recommended low end portable CD player?

Although Goldstar is thought as a low end material in the US, it is 
considered to be just superb, reliable, or something in Korea. My experience
tells that Goldstar never had more problems than any other Japanese or US
brand. Last year I bought a low end Goldstar VCR (at about $130 at SAM'S)
as a second one, because I had a problem with my JVC which I seldom ued. At a 
local replair store, they charged me $90 to fix the JVC problem. I'm happy
with the Goldstar. It never betrayed me. As someone indicated a couple of 
weeks ago, some SONY VCRs are made by Goldstar.

Hankyu Lee
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 13:13:11 MST
From: <AOAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Test signals on a CD?
 <1992Dec13.231655.7689@sequent.com>

Also try the miscellaneous bin at Tower or other stores. They often have
some cheaper test CDs in with the sound effects ones. Allen
From: rkarlqu@scd.hp.com (Richard Karlquist)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: RFI:Mail order speaker parts sources
Date: 18 Dec 1992 02:07:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
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schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov wrote:
: I'm looking for an inexpensive mail order source for loudspeaker parts. Mainly
: drivers.
: 
: kris
: 
: 
: 

If *cost* is your priority, then McGee Radio in Kansas City and MCM Electronics
in Ohio are your best bets.

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From: wart@cco.caltech.edu (Michael L. Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Dennon carousel changers + others
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:41:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

<LLH111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I just bought an DCM-520 Dennon carousel changer a few weeks back.
>This player is their top of the line carousel (I got it for around $400).
>It sounds okay.  My own impression of the mechanical construction is that
>iit should be built better as it is top-of-the line.  For example, I looked
>inside, and the structure does not look very precisely aligned (e-mail me
>for more specific info at my other acct.--see end of this post).  Also,

I'm not sure what you mean here, and my email to you bounced back to me.

>the player skips when the drawer goes in, and the drawer is 'wiggely'.

This doesn't happen on mine.  If I were you I'd take it back as this is
clearly a defect.  check out the floor model and see if it does the same
thing.  It shouldn't.

>Would someone please recommend a more solidly built 5-disc player which
>can change 4 while playing one?  I've looked at the adcom, and it does
>look more solid on the outside, sounds very good.  What about phillips,
>yamaha?  Anyone own the adcom changer?  Own a Yamaha or Phillips changer?
>Tell me all about it!  Thanks.
>.
>Posted for Richard...please send replies to RMD@psuarch.psuvm.psu.edu

I don't have any problems with mine being built "unsolidly".  It performs
better than I had hoped, so I am very pleased with it.  As a sidenote,
I had originally purchased the Sony 10-disc magazine (I don't remember the
model #, sorry) and was really annoyed at the amount of noise that it made
when changing discs.  the salesperson where i purchased it said that it
was normal, but let me trade it in for the Denon anyway.  

--Wart
From: sullivk@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Kevin Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Old "Audio Amateur" "stereophile" "absolute sound" mags.
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:40:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1h1pksINNd7h
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu

Dear Golden Ears -

I'm cleaning house and have discovered quite a few fascinating old copies 
of "stereophile", "the absolute sound" and "Audio Amateur".  If anyone is
interested in these please e-mail me and I'll send you a list of exactly
what I have.  I would be interested in trading for CDs or anything audio
or computer related. Thanks. 

Kevin Sullivan

sullivk@atlantis.cs.orst.edu   (YIKES!)   "Sorry, Wrong Number" -1948   
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mlm2@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mark Lee Margolis)
Subject: Speaker Advice
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:30:48 GMT

Anyone have any opinions on the Infinity SM112, Infinity Reference 5, 
Infinity Reference 6, EPI 120-III, Advent Heritage, or Advent Laureate
speakers? I am looking for a new pair of speakers and I have seen these
and I wonder what people think/know about them.

I am using a Parasound HCA-800II amp (100 wpc) and an old Onkyo preamp
(which will be replaced withjin the next week) most likely by a HK PT2300
AV preamp.

I listen mostly to rock, followed by classical (Tchaikovsky, Chopin, Mozart
mostly), and a little jazz.

- Mark

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sloan@iastate.edu (Eric R Sloan)
Subject: Amp Distortion vs. Source Distortion
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:35:45 GMT


Ok, Got a question for Netland.......

I recently sold a pair of speakers to a freind who doesn't know a lot about
stereo equipment. One of the things I instructed him on is not turning the amp 
up so loud that it distorts, because it will fry the speakers. Since his amp
has a power level meter, it was pretty easy to tell him where to play to avoid 
significant distortion...

The other night I came home to find the most horrible distortion I had ever
heard coming from the speakers. Under investigation, I discovered that the
distortion was not coming from the amp, but that the certain type of music
he listens to uses a lot of distortion for effect (My Life With the Thrill-
Kill Cult,  Ministry, Nine-inch-Nails, etc...) 

My Question is "Will this distortion on the sorce material fry the speakers
as easy as a clipping amp?"

I say that it would....and he should keep the volume well under the power
handling of the amp, but then there's the problem of rating speakers for power.
"These speakers were 100Wpc but I blew them with an 80W amp, and it wasn't 
clipping......"

Can anyone tell me if this music is just plain destructive on speakers?

Thanx in advance.....

Eric Sloan----EE Major-----Iowa State University, Ames, IA
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: question on pre-amplifiers
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:35:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Zeming Gao asked whether you can use a CD without a preamp, by
connecting the variable output directly to a power amp.

Several people have commented in the past that it works, but typically
quality suffers.  This agrees with my experience.  I have a fairly
good quality CD player (Luxman DZ 121, I believe, though I could be
off by a digit in the model number).  I was driving a Hafler power amp
from it.  I was bothered by a lack of highs.  By inserting a preamp
(also Hafler), the highs appeared.  Lon Stowell compared the original
setup to use of a "passive preamp".  Interestingly, reviews of them
normally note that the highs are somewhat attenuated compared to a
regular preamp, because of impedance matching problems that I've never
quite understood.

Thus I'd suggest that if you decide to drive a power amp directly from
the variable output of your CD player, you might want to find some way
to see whether you're really getting all the high frequencies you
should be getting.  It's obviously possible to build a variable output
that would work (presumably by inserting a unity-gain amplifier
afterwards), but that seems not to be common.
From: fred@network.ucsd.edu (Fred Criscuolo)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Linaeum Speakers
Date: 11 Dec 1992 09:27:34 -0800
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


The Dec 19, 1992 issue of "Opera News" gave a rave review to Linaeum
LS-2 speakers, claiming close to live-performance sound.  They also
claimed that opera listeners would find them especially enjoyable.
The key design feature is the use of cylindrical sound generators in
place of a tweeter and mid-range.  Bass is handled by a typical woofer.
Given the moderate cost ($885 per pair), these speakers certainly seem
attractive.  I'd appreciate hearing some additional opinions about these
speakers.  Thanks in advance.

Fred

-- 
Fred Criscuolo
fcriscuo@ucsd.edu                             (619) 546-4083
From: Alan Weisberg <weisberg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Inexpensive Tuner Recommendations
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:20:54 EST
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.1]
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I'm in the market for an inexpensive reasonable quality AM/FM tuner.
(Yes, I need the AM piece to accomodate my wife).  My budget is quite
small, $300 for new, $200 for used.

I live in the NYC metropolitan area so signal strength is not a problem.
I would appreciate any advice or expriences you netters could share with
me on models to evaluate and models to avoid.

Thanks,
Alan     WEISBERG@PR.CYANAMID.COM
From: ryo@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ryo Inoue)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Any Apogee Stage Owners Out There ?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:40:35 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Reply-To: ryo@oakhill.sps.mot.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I recently purchased a pair of Apogee Stages with dedicated Stands.
I'm driving them with a pair of PSE Studio II (110W) amps and Tara Labs
Space&Time cables.

I would appreciate any advice and experiences in setting up the Stages
for best sound. Right now, the sound is flat and somewhat "unfocused"
sounding. The speakers are 6ft part and 3 ft from the rear wall.
The room dimensions are roughly 14ft X 18ft.

Any hints on positioning, damping material, cable selection, etc will
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Ryo Inoue.