HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:26:09 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <1992Oct6.023041.16233@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:

>Have you considered using a killfile?  One line would do the trick.
>
>/cthulhu/a:j
>
>If you have any questions about creating a killfile, drop me a line.

Besides the issue of the Nine Billion Names of Cthulhu which someone
else in this thread brought up, there's no reason why Joel (or anyone
else) should *have* to do that.  Instead of alt.folklore.ghost-
stories, Joel could have created alt.ghosts-n-lemurs (to bring another
of his hobbies into this thread :-).  Then anyone who wanted to read
about ghosts could put "lemurs" into their kill files, and vice versa
for lemur fans.

You might have noticed that no one did this.  That's because it would
have been dumb.  There is no particular connection between ghost
stories and lemurs that would warrant grouping them together in such a
way; I claim that the same is true with ghost folklore and Cthulhu.
Cthulhu mythos may "constitute ghost stories of sorts," but "of sorts"
is not really close enough.  They arise from completely different
genres, with completely different heritages, and it appears that the
circle of ghost fans in alt.folklore.ghost-stories is disjoint with
the circle of Cthulhu fans.  All in all, I think a Cthulhu newsgroup
would make a lot of sense.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:alt.znet.fnet, alt.znet.pc
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:59:34 GMT

In article <FPTuRB4w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke, Z*NET Pacific) writes:

> How ever as we
> now have the technology to gateway these directly into usenet we
> feel it is time to propose alt.znet.fnet .

Wow.  How very *nice* of you to propose this newsgroup, now that it's
already carrying hundreds of articles in "junk".  What timing!  What
panache!

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.tasteless.jokes,alt.config
Subject: alt joke groups (was Re: Stupid stuff i read this morning.)
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:51:36 GMT
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

In article <1992Oct5.140608.3275@cs.odu.edu> page@buttercup.cs.odu.edu () writes:

>Listen, dolts:

>1)  Concerning creation of alt.ethnic.humor...
>	STUPID!

>    What could be more tasteless than an ethnic joke?  1 vote against.

Oughtta be alt.humor.ethnic anyway.


>	Not yours...ours!  Im an American, and Im sick American
>	Stupidity.  Please don't add to it.
						      ^
I won't if you won't.                                 \--?

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: killfile
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:36:25 GMT

I have a bone to pick with the people who say "Why create another newsgroup to
eliminate blatantly off-topic chatter from a newsgroup you read?  Use a
KILLFILE!  Here, I'll SHOW YOU HOW!"

Why?

Because, as anyone with a little sense would realize, SOME PEOPLE CANNOT
CREATE KILLFILES.

I repeat: SOME PEOPLE CANNOT CREATE KILLFILES.

Somewhere in the news.announce.newusers files that get posted, there's a note
to the effect that it's bad manners to assume that everyone reads news on a
UNIX box somewhere.  

I, for one, read USENET off a campus bulletin board system to which requested
USENET feeds are gatewayed, and post to USENET via the University of Texas and
Ohio State University mail-to-news gateways.  I cannot create a killfile any
more than I can create a lavish .sig file that gets automatically posted.  I
can't crosspost, for that matter.

So please, those of you who have a kneejerk reaction to an otherwise worthy
newsgroup or alt. group to say "You slobs, USE A KILLFILE," try remembering
that not everyone CAN.

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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: alt.house
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:14:53 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

cs125b55@dcl-nxt30.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:

>The group, alt.house, should be created because discussions of house music
>doesn't belong in alt.rave.  Deep House and Club House are not raving  
>music.  Only House tracks and Acid House could be integrated into  
>alt.rave.  People are ignoring the serious meaning of House music.

>Let me hear what others think.

I think there is no "serious" meaning of House music. Get a job / life.

-- richard

-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: looking for alt.church.of-all.worlds or alt.caw
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: pagan church-of-all-worlds caw
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:34:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.201759.4434@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> dstalder@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Darren Stalder) writes:
>The summary line says it...Does there exist a newsgroup out there
>focusing on the Church of All Worlds.  It is a pagan church based out of
>Ukiah, CA.  I have been told there is a newsgroup out there already.  Is
>this true?  Is there some location I can go to that has all the
>different alt groups on it?


Try alt.pagan.  I have not dropped in on this one, but it sounds like what
you want.


TTFN
M
From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.discordia
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:28:32 GMT
Organization: UB

adamsr@ais.org (Rick Adams) writes:

>Thus spake fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller): 
>>And what does fnord mean?
>>
>	And what does       mean makes no sense you should have put a
>word there!
>	Heres a vote =for= alt.discordia - not everyone knows about it that
>should. And since I'm Pope, my vote is the one that counts!

Not everyone knows about it that should?  On _WHAT_ do you base that? 
Certainly not the comments of Cliff, I hope...

And the lemmings marched over the edge into the blackness below, 'cause, you
see, it was fore-ordained.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu
Followup-To: alt.config
Summary: Another vote FOR!!
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:53:50 GMT

Count me as one more for the creation of alt.cthulhu; not because
I'm a cthulhu fanatic (hey, I don't even know what it means!), but
if it will get them out of the ghost stories, I say

      LET'S DO IT!!
Xref: sparky alt.config:6022 news.groups:18640 news.answers:3262
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:53:39 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <9210050539.AA00837@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>,
 FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr) doodled:

>Ladies and gentlemen of the net, a while back someone proposed alt.cthulhu.
>The usual net.critics came along and posited that the only acceptable name
>for such a group would be alt.fan.hplovecraft.   The group went wild with
>excitement!  Or something.  Needless to say, the discussion died out and no
>such group was ever created, else I would not be posting this.
>
...
[stuff deleted]
...
>
>Look, to make matters simple, create alt.fan.cthulhu or alt.cthulu. DON'T
>name it alt.fan.lovecraft or alt.fan.hplovecraft or alt.fan.cthulu-mythos
>because the Cthulhu fans who we can't get rid of obviously aren't very
>intelligent, are easily confused, and might think that a group called
>alt.fan.lovecraft is for posting of erotica and they'd probably think that
>alt.fan.cthulhu-mythos was for posting about... gee, I can't think what
>they'd think that one was, but based on some of their silly posts I have
>no doubt but what they'd misinterpret it totally.

But if you try to create alt.cthulhu many sysadmins may not carry it on
the grounds that it is poorely named, and you end up with the situation
where some of the people that you complain about won't get the group,
and hence won't know what you're talking about when you tell them to
take the irrelevant stuff elsewhere. 

I think alt.horror.cthulhu would be a good bet, especially as there is
already a alt.horror group, and, IMHO, a few sites won't carry alt.fan.*
on principle. 

I'll post a proposal for it today sometime to see how much support it
would get. 

Chris

-- 
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  RFC: ccs@aber.ac.uk   UUCP: *!mcsun!uknet!aber!ccs   JNT: ccs@uk.ac.aber
          Deddf Iaith Newydd i Gymru | New Language Act for Wales
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Rumour
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:13:34 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

[ Article crossposted from alt.cult-movies ]
[ Author was  ]
[ Posted on 2 Oct 92 00:31:35 GMT ]


> I heard a rumour, from this guy down the hall, that there is going
> to be a movie of "Neuromancer" starring Bill Pullman (from Spaceballs),
  Tia Carrere (as Molly) and--this is the scariest thought of all--PAUL
  NEWMAN as Peter Riviera. What blasphemy. Anyone else heard this one?

	Please-oh-please. Someone do us a favour and create alt.fan.bladerunner.I've killfiled everything that could possibly have to do with BR and I'm still
having to read more explanations for why Deckard can't be the 6th replicant.
AGH.
				Rosaleen Dhu

"It's not like I'm using. It's like my body has developed this massive
drug deficiency."
				Case in "Neuromancer"
				

Amen to that! I've really no idea of how to go about creating a new group
(perhaps somebody can tell me/mail me/flame my arse off?), but I hereby
announce my desire, on behalf of the lurkers on alt.cyberpunk.*, *.movies, and
*.* to get alt.fan.bladerunner created.

So there.

--
Rabbi Bajzheet - The Hooded Oesophagus  __o `God needs food, badly!'
Usenet: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz             _`\<,_   - Friedrich Nietzsche
Snail: 12 St Aubyn St, Devonport, AK (_)/ (_) Voice: +64 09 445-1186
Xref: sparky alt.config:5983 alt.war:2012 talk.politics.misc:48448 soc.history:8631 soc.veterans:1077
From: genek@neptune.informix.com (Gene Kain)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.war,talk.politics.misc,soc.history,soc.veterans
Subject: Re: Please newgroup alt.war.vietnam
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:30:28 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <Bv1ty6.Ju9@news.orst.edu> olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu (Monte Olsen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.013028.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>
>Greg Franklin, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>-- 
>
>As a vietnam veteran, I would also like to see such a
>group be started. Thanks for the suggestion. FYI, Prodigy
>service now has a BBS for veterans, one section of which
>is devoted to Vietnam. There are many good discussions
>occuring there.
>
>Monte Olsen
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Which is the _real_ dragons-inn
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:34:55 GMT

I'm seeing about 5 posts a day to alt.dragons-inn.  Is this a legit group,
or should I alias it to alt.pub.dragons-inn?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, News Administrator Extraordinaire.  (pt@geovision.gvc.com)
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:14:42 GMT

In article <BvoMzM.3AD@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.023041.16233@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) writes:
>
>>[My post about killfiles deleted]
>[Tim's justification of the creation of a.f.c deleted]

Well I don't know much about the contents of a.f.g-s or about the Cthulhu
mythos but when I read Joel's post it sounded like he was complaining
about the people ("jackasses") who posted to the Cthulhu thread as much
as the thread itself.

He says:

				"The jackasses have ignored request after
request from the alt.folklore.ghost-stories regulars... even some of the
lurkers have come out and posted asking them to leave... and the Cthulhu
idiocy, which couldn't have less to do with ghost stories if they tried,
rages on."


I submit to you that if this is the case, these people will not up and
leave when a group is created for them.  I think what you have here is
a people problem.  To solve this, you simply observe who the offenders
are and put them in your killfile.

Lets just say the group is created.  Hell, I'll create it for you.  Now,
lets also say that in a months time the Cthulhu thread has moved to said
group.  Only, it's not as fun anymore because they don't have anyone
telling them to shut up.  So, the same people come back and start a
thread about "Casper and his life as a porn star".  What are 'ya
gonna do now?


a.f.g-s regular:  Hey buddy that crap doesn't belong here.

Casper fan:  What do you mean, Casper is a ghost and this is a story.

a.f.g-s regular:  Yeah but, that's not what we post here.

Casper fan:  We?  We?!?  What the hell do you mean we?  I'll post
		whatever ghost story I want.


Yes indeed folks.  I can see it now.  "Casper the Truck Driver",
"Casper the Cowboy", "Casper and his dog Jasper" etc, etc, etc.

My point is, who decides what is a ghost story?  If you want strict
control over the content of the group, make it modreated.  Otherwise,
you should learn about killfiles, switch to decaf, and RELAX.  


TTFN
M - Casper in '92, 'caus he's the friendliest ghost we know!
From: wdavis@bbn.com
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.dis (RE: Proposal)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 18:21:53 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.89.16.63

For some reason my mailer keeps refusing the post with
Re: PROPOSAL:alt.dis as the subject line.  I will check it out later.

>This is a proposal to create the group alt.dis, to discuss the multitude
>of issues regarding the development and implementation of Distributed
Interactive Simulations (DIS).

>The project is developing technology allowing large-scale simulations
>distributed over local and long-haul networks. DIS specifies how vehicles
>and other craft, their dimensions and capabilities, are described so 
>that they can realistically interact in a simulated environment. DIS 
>also specifies protocols for sharing this information among network 
>hosts.

>Possible topics of discussion:

>* The differences between DIS and its progenitor, SIMNET.

>* The evolving communications architecture, the use of multicasting,
>  conservation of network bandwidth, etc.

>* The use of 2-D and 3-D graphics in displaying simulations.

>* The availability and use of terrain databases.

>* Simulation management.

>* Making other simulation systems DIS compliant.

>* The size and type of Protocol Data Units (PDUs).

>* The availability and use of software developed for DIS.

>* Announcements or reports of DIS events or conferences.

>Any comments regarding the creation of this group, or the selection of
>the name alt.dis?

>John

I like the idea of a Distributed Interactive Simulation (DIS) newsgroup.
However, what name should it have? In followup posting John suggested
alt.simulation.dis which I think may be a little redundant but descriptive.
Descriptive in the sense that it would steer those interested in simulation
to that newsgroup and dissuade flamers (except those with strong opinions
on DIS). :-)

Either name, I vote lets create it.

Bill

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: alt.music.house,alt.rave
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:55:12 GMT

Please note that most of these discussions are usually crossposted
to relevant newsgroups, like alt.rave, like I'm doing with my reply.

In <BvI3KA.LKL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs125b55@dcl-nxt04.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:
>I would like to propose the group alt.music.house.  Although most of the
>current House songs have that techno sound (which is appropriate in  
>alt.rave), where is it appropriate for classic House, R&B/House, and  
>Garage House music discussions?  Should I consider discussing it in  
>alt.rave (which people might not like).

We just had the same argument about Techno.  You should feel free to discuss
this stuff in alt.rave, I rather doubt anyone is going to tell you
to "get out of alt.rave, that's not rave music".  There is some
confusion over the term "garage house", which I have yet to see
defined in any really effective way, but other than that, I see
no impediment to your posting any discussion of this type to alt.rave.

>                                         Now, I'm talking about the House  
>music from the "old school house."  You know...Farley Jackmaster Funk,
>Jamie Principle, Robert Owens, Frankie Knuckles, and Marshall Jefferson.
>Plus, I'm interested in discussions about stuff from Ultra Nate,  
>Moccasoul, Maurice Joshua, Kym Sims, Yummy, and Mr. Fingers.  Furthermore,  
>there also needs a discussion of Hip House music like from Fast Eddie,  
>Kool Rock Steady, and Tyree Cooper.  I need input on where these music  
>should be discussed in, since there are many different categories of House  
>music.  Some people have talked about Deep House being played in raves,  
>but is it okay to talk about the 70's Double Exposure or First Choice  
>stuff in a 90's rave?? Let me hear about your comments about House/Techno.

The point is that, while the music discussed may not be likely to be
played at a rave, it is still appropriate because there is a strong
musical similarity with what is usually discussed there.

From another direction, there doesn't seem to be an overhelming amount
of volume about these other types of house, so why should we create a
whole new newsgroup that won't have much traffic?  If you think that there
is potential for the volume, but people haven't felt they had an appropriate
forum, you are free to discuss in rec.music.misc if nothing else,
or create your own mailing list.

To create alt.music.house *in addition* to alt.rave would be just
as redundant as would be creation of alt.music.techno.  What's the
point?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
   This is a chain letter.  Within the next fifty-five days you will receive
                    thirty-eleven hundred pounds of chains!
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.boa.marching.bands
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:54:48 GMT

See news.groups, where they are proposing newsgroups rec.marching.drumcorps
and rec.marching.bands .  "Rec" newsgroups are available to many more people
than alt groups are.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com  Former U of L marching band member!
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Bogus newsgroups
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 01:05:06 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway. Parnell New Zealand

bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:

> In article <0gR5RB1w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) write
> > Agreed, but the language in nz.general and al.config in your message is
> > totaly uncalled for.
> > 
> > If we wanted this sort of content to polute our news feeds we would open
> > usenet up to all the bbs's in the world. Maybe you should bite your
> > tongue in future when you are tempted to use such language.
> 
> I thought Usenet was open to anybody who could afford a news feed.  At least
> that seems to be the case here; it may be different in N.Z.  But you're right
> about the language.
> 
> Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
> 

Thanks Bill, my sentiments exactly.

                                                  _
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.boa.marching.bands
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:00:29 GMT

In article <92275.203305KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Would there be an interest in the subject of Marching Bands of America
>compitions?   The Drumcorps group is there for people still active in that
>but what about the people who still have a national interest in the
>tough competition of BOA!  I still have a great interest and enjoy talking
>to others that do.  I would appreciate it if this group would be allowed to
>form and I guarantee that it would not be a waste of resourses. Thanks very
>much for your time.

You got my vote!  As a past band member and attending drum major camp at
boa, I think it'd be great to talk to others.  (That was DM in HS, btw)
-- 

==                                  == ==                                 == 
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|    Netcom Online Communications    | |     lllowen@him.cc.wayne.edu     | 
==                                  == ==                                 ==
From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Naive Questions
Summary: herbalism discussion
Keywords: herbalism, alt.sustainable.agriculture, alt.co-evolution
Date: 27 Sep 92 20:33:59 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1a0gvbINNmfl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>Incidentally I do support the alt.herbalism idea because I
>believe herbs were used as the only medicine for millennia
>before the modern age, and also because this heading is more
That would be a great topic for ongoing discussion in
alt.sustainable.agriculture and alt.co-evolution. If there
is still sufficient interest in having a separate group I
would be glad to help get it started (as alt.herbalism).
>noticeable and perhaps accessible than going through a
>food-history hierarchy of newsgroups.
There's pretty active herb discussion in rec.food.historic
and it's very interesting.
>            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Lawrence

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