HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Abortion
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:04:33 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Dec9.220244.6416@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
>> Is abortion wrong?
>Discussing it in this newsgroup is!

No Gadfly, it isn't.  

--Keith
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:30:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


OK, here's my last posting on the subject.  Til next week, anyway.

To the men and women who think that the person inviting another out on a
date has no need to pay, and that the invitee is a cheapskate if s/he
doesn't offer to split expenses:

If someone invites you over to their house for dinner -- not a close
friend, not a platonic friend, but a new potential romantic interest -- what
would you think if you got there and the inviter says "Oh, didn't you bring
your own dinner?  I only made enough for me"?  What were your expectations,
based on the invitation?  Were they met?

Or suppose you show up with flowers in hand, and the inviter feeds you
dinner but afterward avoids you like the plague.  You finally ask what
went wrong, and find out that s/he was pissed because you didn't supply
your own meal.  

I don't see any difference between somebody inviting me to dinner at a
restaurant or at his house.  My assumptions will be the same.  If I don't
know him well, and if I'm sure this is a "date" as opposed to a casual
get-together, I assume he's providing the meal he invited me to.  If I do
know him well or we've been out more than once together, I'll offer to split
the cost, take him out to dessert, whatever.  

And if a guy on a first date asks me to pay my way, I'll assume I got my
signals crossed and he just wants to be friends.  Which may or may not be
a disappointment.



    
-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,misc.legal
From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:41:06 GMT

In the referenced article, whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>any one of them as _my_ father.  Bunch of priggish anal-retentive gits.
                                           ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^

Why do I get the feeling that you just heard these three words
somewhere and decided they sounded like good insults?


-- 
"When you're down, it's a long way up
 When you're up, it's a long way down
 It's all the same thing
 And it's no new tale to tell"                      ../ray\..
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Subject: Re: Kissing Frogs
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:31:13 GMT

In article <92347.125341SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>In article <7894@news.duke.edu>, diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams) says:
>>
>>This reminds me of something one of my friends (one of my MALE friends,
>>mind you) says about men.
>>
>>"All men are either clueless or assholes.  If you meet one who seems
>> to be neither, he's probably an asshole."

>Oh, drat.  Yet another data point that sugguests I really *am*
>an alien.

"Suggests"? I *know* I'm an alien. It says so on my tax return. :)

Chris

-- 
Chris Penington (cjp8b@virginia.edu)   
Biochemistry Dept., Box 440             I'm not really a physical biochemist
UVa Health Sciences Ctr,                     but I play one in the lab... 
Charlottesville, Va 22908   (804)924-8210   
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.042014.20540@watson.ibm.com>, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
> In <1992Dec15.225108.23380@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
> >In article <lis6s8INN225@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
> >
> >>When a certain soc.singler was in Boston, he brought me some rocks and
> >>sea shells that he'd found walking on the cape, but I guess some people
> >>would look at you weird if you gave them a rock.  I loved it, but I'm
> >>a little strange.
> >
> >Just to put in a contrary data point,
> 
> No, when Dawn tells you that she's a little strange, you should trust her.
> 
> >be a little careful of whom you give
> >rocks to, when, and under what circumstances.
> >
> >... it's a good idea to make sure it's clean, not
> >too large, and either shiny or containing a fossil or something.
> 
> Yeah, I just gave my honey a rock and she really loves it - must be because
> it's shiny.  :-)

Is that because you spend a lot of time keeping it polished?  :)

> --
> Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)


-- 
Larry

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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: Ladies and gentlemen.... (was Re: Having one's genitals grabbed)
Organization: The Cultural Elite
	<1992Dec10.035009.12381@csi.uottawa.ca>
	<1992Dec11.072559.28239@netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:29:49 GMT

aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:

>{BTW, I've got nothing against you personally, I'm just trying to
>educate the lurkers.}

What a noble guy!  :)

(I don't have much of an axe to grind here either; Mark, if you didn't mean to
be offensive and yet I was offended, I'd rather at least tell you why,
but no hard feelings from me.)

>More seriously, part of what made your comment so insulting to women 
>was that you don't even know *why* it was so insulting, as indicated 
>by your comments above.

>Pooh made a serious comment, and you made a "crotch-grabbing" joke.  
>I doubt that you can find a single woman reading this newsgroup who
>actually thought your comment was funny.

It wasn't so much that it wasn't funny (lots of stuff posted here is
supposed to be funny and isn't particularly -- some of mine too, I'm
sure) or that it was a tasteless subject (I mean really, this is the
net).  What bothered me was that Pooh talked about an experience where
she felt vulnerable (as everyone does sometimes) and you (Mark)
seemed to trample over her feelings, and those of anyone who related
to her,  not even to make a point, but just for a stupid joke.  I don't 
remember if she _said_ she felt vulnerable, actually; maybe I just read 
that into it by extrapolating my own experiences; but I wouldn't think 
it would take much imagination to know that most people don't associate 
that kind of harassment with the light pleasant atmosphere you seemed 
to be expecting for your joke.  It's _far_ from the most offensive
thing I've seen on the net, but if you meant to be funny, I'd agree with
Aahz that it didn't work.

>If I'm wrong, I hope one of the women here will correct me; if you
>prefer to lurk, send me e-mail and I'll post anonymously for you.

Well, you were right as far as I'm concerned.  I've seen a lot worse
on the net, and I'm sure Pooh isn't emotionally crippled by it, but I 
thought it was pretty rude in a friendly newsgroup, and not at all witty 
in that context (not very witty out of it either).  Since I doubt you
were trying to piss people off, Mark, I would have just shrugged it
off distastefully if it hadn't turned into a thread :) ; but Aahz has 
a point that being shrugged off distastefully on a regular basis 
wouldn't help one's love life, I suppose.

---Julie 
-- 
%  I wonder why it is that when I plan a route too carefully it      %
%  goes to pieces, whereas if I blunder along in blissful ignorance  %
%  aimed in a fancied direction I get through with no trouble.       %
%                      --- John Steinbeck (_Travels with Charley_)   %
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez)
Subject: Re: on the job
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:37:35 GMT
Organization: The Arts Babblative and Scribblative
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <BzJFsx.6Ew@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
=>
=>Go for it, really what is the worst that can happen!
=>
=>don't worry; be happy!
=>

Well, if the poster were american, I'd answer your question with:

		SEXUAL HARASSMENT LAWSUIT.

Even if it isn't illegal to ask out a co-worker up there as it is here, I'm
concerned with the "pretty co-worker dammit!" attitude.  How shallow.  I mean
you don't even know how much her boyfriend can bench press.  :^)  You
really don't know a thing about her.  Why not try to learn something about
her first without giving her the willies.  After all, if you don't know
anything about her, then you don't know that she won't think you're a real
creep for approaching her.  Isn't there a company softball team or dogsledding
team or something?

-- 
Ramon Dominguez             | "Work is the curse of the drinking class"       
Convex Computer Corporation |                            --Oscar Wilde
ramon@convex.com            | "Ceci n'est pas une .signature file"
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Surrogate companion
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 12:07:17 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Hmm. A female hit with the 'nice guy' syndrome.
They really do exist. Hmm.
r.
Xref: sparky soc.singles:33856 alt.personals:24323
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.personals
Subject: Re: Newsgroup or Mail List to Meet Singles?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:23:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec13.054942.27952@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> alxs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Robert Fripp) writes:
>
|	Is there an internet newsgroup or mailing list where singles can send
|descriptions and meet other singles?

Yes, alt.personals.

| Also, what is TygerBoink?
 
history.

BTW,  I dig your music but I still think that "Islands" sucked.
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Size 8? (Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men)
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:30:38 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Dec11221443@hatteras.cs.unc.edu>, martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
> 
> Hey, Beth, if you can get him to stop off here, I'll hold him down while
> you kick him.
> 
> --
> 		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu

Question is, will she be kicking him for what he said or you for calling her
"Beth"?  Well, someone had to bring that thread back. :)

Larry
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:04:05 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec15.192027.25721@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
>In article <15904@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>I can't believe this.  Three knee jerk responses in a row.  Look at the
|>first five words of Lauren's article (If a man asks me out).  It looks to
|>me like Lauren is describing a "traditional" date, in which case traditional
|>values should hold.
|
|% unlurk
|
|I thought this was the 90's, and we were in the process of throwing
|out old antiquated notions, like traditional dating.
 
Old antiquated notion that it is, some people still enjoy it.  Never a
slave to fashion or fad, that's the way I am.  Works for me.  I've even
had a woman that I've taken out and bought dinner for, and generally
pampered on a traditional date, call me up the next day and ask me out.
It led to a four year long romance.  

|>If *I* ask a woman out for dinner (which I assume we're talking about
|>here) I will *at least* offer to pay.  I am probably going to choose
|>the restaurant, or at least give the woman a choice of places to go,
|>in which case I am not going to expect the woman to pay.  Not even
|>half.  I am asking her out and treating her to dinner.
 
|When I ask someone out, I expect to pay, but I appreciate it when they
|offer to pay part or all of their way, or leave the tip.

Do fill out a Pre-Dinner contract to negotiate percentages before ordering?

|To me, it shows they have some consideration for my feelings.  I am a lot less
|likely to go on a second date with someone who does not offer to pay a
|little, or offer to pay next time, etc.
 
Go on many second dates, Greg?

|>If she asked me out it might be different.
|
|When someone asks me out, I at least offer to pay the tip, or pay for
|dessert.  It's a sign of consideration for the other person's feelings.
 
There's a phrase that I use: "It's my treat", which means this entire 
pleasurable (hopefully) experience is on me.  This is my treat to you.
No Pre-Dinner contract necessary.


-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,misc.legal
From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:44:09 GMT

In the referenced article, DeadHead@cup.portal.com (Bruce M Ong) writes:
>>but a vasectomy might be a bit TOO extreme, especially if he should decide in
>>the future that he wants to have a family.
>>
>	WHAT? You mean he is gonna change his mind later on, at a point in
>his life that he wants to take new circumstances into consideration???? 
>Isnt that like lying to himself? He hates being lied to, I hear. 

Yes, well, smily and all, it's still wrong. He's not lying to himself,
he's saying: I might want to change my mind later. Presumably, the
intent of this contract is to allow him to sleep with only women that
are willing to commit to a binding agreement (not that any such
contract would be in the current political environment) not to change
their minds about whether to raise a child and force him to pay for
it. 

There's a big difference between: "telling my you'll do X and then
changing your mind later is lying" and "telling me you retain the
option to change you mind later is lying". The difference is that the
latter statement is false, whereas the former one is true. Now,
getting indignant about the lie itself may be rather petty and
ridiculous when compared to getting indignant about being capriciously
subjected to many years of involuntary servitude because of the
inaction of someone who agreed to take action to prevent it,
admittedly.
-- 
"When you're down, it's a long way up
 When you're up, it's a long way down
 It's all the same thing
 And it's no new tale to tell"                      ../ray\..
Xref: sparky soc.singles:34216 alt.romance.chat:22068 alt.romance:15394 alt.personals:24575
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 12:35:44 MST
From: Lisa Mae <AZLMH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance.chat,alt.romance,alt.personals
Subject: Re: The TygerBoink Committee would like to thank you
 <1992Dec15.221340.6685@unislc.uucp>

In article <1992Dec15.221340.6685@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) says:
>
>: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon) writes:
>: >
>: >I must definitely agree, TygerBoink was definitely the place to catch
>: >a cold bug.
>: >
>: >*sniff*SNEEZE*
>: >
Lisa Mae:
>:    That's funny, I seem to have lost my cold entirely. hmmmmmmmmm
>: *grin*
>Ed:
>That's because you didn't kiss *me*! :( :(

You didn't ask. *wink* 8-)    Besides, I didn't kiss anybody.  I just
*hugged* some people and slapped one person(Rip), and Started and Finished
a *tickle* war.  It's too bad DK couldn't come.  You could of seen all the
squirming forms trying to avoid the *tickling* fingers. *grin* It was fun.

Lisa Mae (Ariel)
I'm sending this to all these groups, but I mainly only read Alt.romance.chat
so if you want to catch me, that's where I post the most. *grin*
>--
>Ed Carp                 erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com       801/538-0177
>Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
*Fearless?
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:01:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.210752.8527@sol.UVic.CA>, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas) writes:
> Not every woman
> I meet goes to bed with me, 
> 

I'm sure glad every woman I meet don't go to bed with me, if they did, I'd be
dead now.

> 
> dreas             Lovers come and lovers go.
> 

Larry

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:40:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <8102@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.034342.38078@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>>In <oneil.724227891@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>>>
>>>How important /is/ sex to a relationship?
>>
>>I'd rank it right up there with breathing.
>>
>>I figure that if she can go for hours, or even days, on end without sex, then
>>we're just not compatible.
>
>Well put, Larry!

That's what *she* said.  :-)

>I commend you on your candor.  However, while I feel _somewhat_ the
>same way, there's obviously more to a _special_ relationship. :)

Obviously.  Just as there's more to living than simply breathing.  But the
question was how important is sex to a relationship, not what are the most
important parts of a relationship.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.215249.22140@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>>Do you have a sister?
>
>>Is she free Sat. nite? :-)
>
>Neither free nor cheap.  (Sorry, Jeem.)
>Piglet
 
Eese OK. *Snork* Good Vone.

 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity,ba.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:06:47 GMT
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada

In article lis6s8INN225@news.bbn.com, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.102722.17472@rs6000.bham.ac.uk>, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
>> If you give someone little presents, what do you give and what do
>> you like to receive?
>
>When a certain soc.singler was in Boston, he brought me some rocks and
>sea shells that he'd found walking on the cape, but I guess some people
>would look at you weird if you gave them a rock.  

Not at all. Rocks used to be my livelihood.
I have some gold samples and agates back home.

They make excellent gifts!

dreas
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: cocoa@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Size 8? (Re: What is NOT attractive to "SINGLE" men)
Organization: The Chocolate Factory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:52:53 GMT

In article <MARTINC.92Dec16113439@hatteras.cs.unc.edu> martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.060045.8400@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>
>   You know, I'm just not enjoying the direction this is going--surely the
>   great net.minds out there can come up with ways to torture me that will
>   be more enjoyable for all concerned.
>
>   Trygve   (If need be, I'm willing to negotiate these things in person.) 
>
>From what you said about your leg, I'd suggest la elise bonita in
>minimal apparel, out of arms reach, saying "Hey Trygve, if you can catch
>me you can have me."

Hey Charlie!  Whatcha going around telling secrets for?  Besides, Trygve has
already declined an invitation to be out of arms reach with me.  As for my
minimal apparel, it's only due to the fact that I'm moving and everything
is all packed (now, where *did* I put those whips?).

Reminded me of something my HS English teacher wrote in my yearbook, 
"Only chase the men you want to catch, because most men won't run very fast."

Just me,

little 'e'

-- 
*  *  *    Chocolatier at Arms, and Castle Wetware Liason            *  *  *
*  *  *    e-mail: cocoa@netcom.com   -    voicemail: 415-337-4940   *  *  *

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: pally@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Pally Hoffstein)
Subject: on the job
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:54:20 GMT
Keywords: pretty co-worker dammit!

Hi everyone. I have a question.

I've been thinking about asking out a woman who works at the same place I do.
Not in the same room as me but on the same floor. I would really like to ask
her out (I've found out she's single and shy) but I've been too worried to do
so. It's been drilled into my brain over the years from friends that dating a
co-worker is a big mistake, even once.

If I ask her out and she accepts I will (according to the wisdom of others)
be asking for trouble. If I don't I may be missing an opportunity to get to
know someone I really would like to know better.
Also; if she turns me down I'll be stuck seeing someone who turned me down and
seeing her almost everyday.

Anyone out there have any thoughts or experiences relating to asking out
co-workers? Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Pally
Vancouver, Canada
-- 
Television permits many millions     |   I threw bitter tears at the ocean, 
of people to share a joke and to     |   But all that came back was the tide.
still be lonely. - T.S. Eliot        | 		- Sarah McLachlan
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