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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: End of Golden Era at Honda
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:42:06 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Apr07.083211.14477@microsoft.com> jondu@microsoft.com (Jonathan Dubman) writes:

>The Civics seem to be getting slushier with time -- I test drove
>some these recently and I was underwhelmed.  Heftier price, more room
>but more of what I have traditionally disliked about many American cars.

Hmmm. I tried a friends '90 Civic and compared it to the '92. I'll take
the '92 anyday. (In fact I did...)

>For the same money I'd rather have an old Civic.

For the same money? It isn;t worth it. I'm willing to admit that the price
hike on the '92 Civic is a little steep but I wouldn't pay that for an
older version, no way, uh uh.

>There was a time I would consider nothing but a Honda, but I felt the
>same betrayal upon seeing the new Prelude as I do when a favorite musical
>group of mine puts out a bad album or a computer company I admire puts out
>a weak new design.  Maybe I should look closer at Saturn.  They modeled
>their transmission after Honda's when Honda knew what it was doing.

Is this the tunnel vision approach to car buying? I HATE almost every
single Honda on the market. I think the CRX is too ugly to park in a
public place, I think the Prelude looks like a rip off, I think that
'thing' they call a car that Honda markets as a Civic hatchback is ugly in
all versions. No, ugly isn't right... ABOMINABLE! The Accord is an
overpriced knock-off of itself that should never have abondoned its low
priced past. Anyway... you get the point.

But I like the '92 Civic, so I bought it. Getting upset at a car maker
because their design trend doesn't please you is silly. We aren't talking
about artistic integrity here, this is business. A sense of betrayal won;t
get you very far if the new models sell.

As for Saturn, I really wanted to look at a Saturn but I wasn't willing to
deal with the hassle of getting to a dealer. In a few years when I've paid
off the Civic maybe I'll trade it in on a Saturn (if they still make 'em)
if there is a dealer in my area.

-Geoff
--
geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU  -  Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business
"...soon hip-hop won't be so nice.  No Ice Cube, just Vanilla Ice."
			-Ice Cube
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mrdavids@descartes.waterloo.edu (Mark Davidson)
Subject: Re: NEW F40?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:53:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.234307.1@wharton.upenn.edu> sinclair65@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>
>	I am wondering if anybody has heard about the ferrari that will
>replace the F40. I have heard that it is going to be a topless version with
>the same v-12 but lighter! If anyobody knows anything, please post.
>thanx.
>
>JTS

There isn't any real definite informations on the next car, but it is said to
have an engine based on the 3.5, 60 degree V12 used in the F1 car.  (Note: the
current/past F40 has a twin-turbo 3-litre V8.)  I predict another stripped out
carbon-kevlar race car rocket with two seats... not much more than the F40,
except in the performance area... likely a little more power and slightly 
improved handling.  (How much can the F40 really be improved for performance?)
You mention convertible... the next 348ts _will_ be a full convertable, and
the coming 512 GT _will_ be a full convertable... but the "supercars" have 
always been coupes, and I hope this continues.

Later,
   Mark

-- 
Mark Davidson, Comp Sci, Faculty of Math, U of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Ferrari Club of America, East & Central Canada Region, "Northern Prancer"   :^) 
Email:  mrdavids@descartes.uwaterloo.ca                          
----------------============ Forza Ferrari ============------------------------
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From: dap3257@sigma.tamu.edu (DON PERLICK)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Electrical problems with Dodge Caravan?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:59:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ku15kaINNocv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, srivatsa@karna.Eng.Sun.COM (Chakra Srivatsa) writes...
>In article <1992Apr3.174607.29980@u.washington.edu> davidj@u.washington.edu writes:
>>I have a 1988 Dodge Caravan with a 6 cylinder engine and a three speed
>>automatic transmission. About one year ago, it began to have an intermittent
>>problem that has recently increased in frequency. While driving, the engine
>>suddenly dies as if it has just been turned off. It easily restarts when the
>>car is put into neutral and then runs well. This problem seems to occur most
 after braking...


	I don't know about the braking part, but if the car has a
Hall effect distributor, the pickup assembly may be on the fritz.
I'm assuming fuel injection, otherwise, it may be a carb thing (?)

Don

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cshafai@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Cyrus Shafai)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: PONTIAC GRAND PRIX
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:28:20 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Marshal.Perlman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Marshal Perlman) writes:

>PLEASE REPLY VIA E-MAIL:

>I present you with a question O great netters...

>What is the difference between a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP and a fully
>loaded Grand Prix SE w/ Aero package etc...?

I think there is a slight styling difference, also the GTP has its own
special wheel rims.  Some things you should look for are:
Does the loaded SE have a trunk pass through, the same sound system,
are the steering ratios the same, are the storage pockets in the the 
doors the same size ?  

I know in the case of an STE and a loaded 4 door SE there are differences.
The tail light configuration is one of them.


--
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cyrus Shafai                        <cshafai@ee.umanitoba.ca>
The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory  -  STM/AFM Lab
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada   ph. (204) 474-6007
From: uznerk@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best Dashboard; Most quiet ride; Nominations?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:07:25 GMT
Distribution: na

I have the perfect car for you:  Buy a used Chevrolet Caprice 9C1 police
cruiser from an auction.  I guarantee it will be the best car you ever own.
:)  Quiet ride (as long as you dont unleash the car's 350) and the dashboard
is perfect.  :)

Just my $.02 worth.

-Andrew Krenz
uznerk@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu

      ____      _____  _____  ____    \      /  ___   The
 ____/   /____      |  |___  |    |    \    /  <___>  Heartbeat
/____    ____/  ____|      \ |    |     \  /   /   \   of
    /___/       ____|   ___/ |____|      \/    \___/  America
From: ryan@kirchoff.ee.washington.edu ( Ryan C Kearny )
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Ford Trucks
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:49:11 GMT
Organization: U of Washington Electrical Engineering

I dont think there is a truck newsgroup, but if I'm wrong please 
let me know!  

I am graduating from EE (finally) and am looking to buy a Ford
F150 or F250 4x4 or 2x4  hopefully newer than say 1982.  Does anybody
have any recommendations on what to look for for under $5,000 
preferably around 4,000?  Are some of those years better than others?

Is there a Ford truck mailing list or something like that?
Thanks for any info.

Ryan Kearny
ryan@ee.washington.edu
rec.auto beginner
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: photo radar
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:00:22 GMT

colombo@bronco.fnal.gov writes:

>> 
>> where is photo radar currently being used in the us??
>> and which states/localities has its use been curtailed
>> because of legal challenges ??
>> and are these units normally mounted in stationary vehicles??
>> (i've never encountered one, i think)
>> 


>Photo Cop is being used here in Batavia, Ill.  I've seen it setup on Kirk
>road which runs on the west side of the lab.  It's stationary and faces
>traffic (they have it in the back of a black and white S-10 Blazer. In Ill.,
>plates are required on the front, so this arrangement wouldn't work in States
>that don't have them.  The citizens of Batavia passed a referendum to ban it,
>but it's non-binding and the police are ignoring it for now.  When they first
>set it up, they displayed your speed to you, but didn't write any tickets.
>I don't know of anyone that got a Photo Cop ticket so I don't know if they're
>going all the way with it, but I think they are.

>I've heard something about getting a picture of the driver too, but I don't
>know what good that will do, you could be wearing a mask. ;-)  I think they
 I am not 100% sure about this but I believe that if someone is seen
 driving your car past a stop school bus with the arm out (by reading the
 liscence plate), and you claim that it is not you driving that you must
 inform them of who was driving the car.  I don't see why they won't do the
 same thing with photo radar.

 Mark
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From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Ford 4WD Utility Vehicles
Summary: What are they, outside U.S.?
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:33:50 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mech. Engr., Univ. New Mexico

I'm interested in learning more about the 4-wheel-drive
utility vehicles that Ford makes and sells outside of
their North American markets.  It seems like every time
there's some sort of disaster in the world, the tv news
shows the local police cleaning up accompanied by an
exotic-looking (to me) Ford thing of one sort or another.
(Usually its the bomb squad or riot guys :))

I'm not interested in anything like the Ford/Cosworth
Sierra (sp?);  I'm more after things in the Land Rover / 
Land Cruiser class.

Please send, basically, as much information as possible
without getting super-technical.  Name, country of origin,
cost, horsepower, displacement, etc. etc. is fine.  Please
no personal case histories unless they're especially in-
teresting.  E-mail or post.  I'll post a summary if response
is sufficient.

Thanks,
trubik@triton.unm.edu

fave .sig of the week:  "I think that I shall never see
			a poem as lovely as a Glock 9mm"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: silver@tellabs.com (Ed Silverstein)
Subject: BMW Z1
Organization: Tellabs, Inc. Lisle, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:55:34 GMT

I saw a BMW Z1 in Munich last week.  Does anyone know more than it is a
production racing car (like the M-series {M3,M5} cars).  I looked about 3-4
years old.  I have two pictures, from the front-right and rear-left corners
if that is any help.  It had standard German license plates, and was parked on
a street near the Opera House.


More info about what it is, when they are/were produced would be appreciated.

Edward A. Silverstein	
silver@tellabs.com
Tellabs, Inc.
Lisle, Il
USA
From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:08:07 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr15.153401.10289@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>
>|> Also compression does slow the car down.  Less air = less fuel.  This
>|> also means a super lean mixture which is hard to ignite.  If you can't
>|> ignite the mixture you lose power because there is nothing to force the
>|> piston back down except inertia.
>|> 
>|> 
>
>There is essentially no difference between a deccelerating compression stroke and an
>accelerating compression stroke.  Tell me how an engine decides when to use the
>compression stroke for braking and when to use it for compressing without braking.
>


There is a big difference.  On acceleration you have an open throttle
plate and an accelerator pump or enriching circuit.  Gas+air+spark=power.

Closed throttle plate gives very little gas + less air + spark = very
power. In fact you don't have enough power to overcome the frictional
forces of the transmission, rear end, the engine itself and most of all
moving all that weight.

Not to mention frictional forces of the tires and wind resistance.
This means the car slows down.

The engine slows down until an equilibrium point is met.  That is enough
power generated to maintain the rate at whic power is consumed.
This is why if you take your foot of the gas in a manual transmission
it will come to almost a complete stop eventually, no matter what
gear you are in.

>
>-- 
>Alan Hepburn           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
>National Semiconductor       a little temporary safety deserve neither
>Santa Clara, Ca              liberty nor safety."
>alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Benjamin Franklin


--
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch)
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:19:07 GMT

No.

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|                             |	     Drew Lynch, atl@kpc.com
|           Zoom!             |	Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Santa Clara, Ca.
|                             |	          (408)748-6345
+-----------------------------+	  Disclaimer: This is me, not them.
From: jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Window Tinting Questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:16 GMT
Organization: Martin_Wade_Hartley_&_Hollingsworth

In article <1992Apr9.162151.398@colorado.edu>  
rudloff@cetus.Colorado.EDU (Robert W. Rudloff) writes:
> I am considering getting the windows in my car tinted.  Does anyone  
know
> of a source that would list what the laws are for different states 
> concerning the amount of tint and which window can be tinted.
> 
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
> Rob
In Indiana, all windows except those on the front sides and windshield  
can be as dark as you want.  The rest can only be tinted so that you  
can make out who's inside when you're standing outside (as in a cop  
approaching a car just stopped).  The next question is what about  
enforcement?  There are oodles of cars around here with nearly black  
tint on all windows.

Jim
From: cunico@acsu.buffalo.edu (Robert P. Cunico)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re:  NEED HELP BUYING AN AMERICAN CAR
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:32:09 GMT
Organization: UB


	I have some experience with most of the cars mentioned, 
especially the 88 and Impala. Currently, I'm driving a 1981 88 
and am quite pleased with it. The ride is smooth, the interior 
roomy, and with the 3.8l engine and highway gears, it gets 
between 15 and 20mpg. I would be careful though with GM cars of 
this era 1980-1985 as they were the 'dark years' in terms of 
quality. That's not to say that reliable vehicles weren't made, 
but BE CAREFUL!
	Another car I've owned in this class is the 1978 Mercury 
Cougar ('77-'79 Ford LTD, and Lincoln similar). I seem to recall 
that this car had the smoothest ride of all I have driven. This 
is not suprising given its 5000+lb weight. Gas mileage, of
course, is negligable (~12mpg with the 5.0 l engine). This was 
the only car I've ever owned that could take speed bumps and 
poor rail crossings at 30mph and not pitch violently. 
	If you are really brave, and know how to do some car 
repair, try the early '70s Crysler Newports, Imperials, or 
New Yorkers. They're not pretty, but often come with all sorts 
of luxury items like front & rear air conditioning, electronic 
seat positioning, leather interior, etc...
	One final note to the BIG-CARS-DESROY-THE-EARTH 
crowd. I recently totalled a 1983 Plymouth Turisimo when a 
drunk cut in front of me, resulting in me broadsiding him. Had 
any number of factors been ever-so-slightly different, I would 
be dead now. Examples; He broadsides me on drivers side = I 
get crushed, Secondary impacts with a telephone pole = severe 
head trauma if it enters the passenger compartment (saw an 
aquaintance die this way), roll over = crushed passenger 
compartment. He was driving a larger car and was only cut 
slightly despite hitting me, a curb, a concrete staircase, and 
another car.
	The risk of injury OR death is greatly reduced by 
surrounding ones self with large amounts of steel. I KNOW, I've 
been in crashes in large cars and small ones. And one brush 
with death is enough to convince me that all your high falutin' 
pontifcations don't me shit if your dead.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stuff...
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <johnson.702603796@wrs.com> johnson@wrs.com (David Johnson) writes:
>
>And how do you define "street car"? 
>
>There were a great many number of superior handling cars in 1970:
>
>The Porsche 911, Corvette, Thunderbird, 240z (first year),add infinitum.
   
   Also the Camaro Z28 LT1, one of the finest GT cars ever made by
   the General....in 1970 it was more respected in the trade press
   than the Corvette of the same year.

   And if you can remember, a Buick GS 455 kicked some serious
   sports cars around a bit on a RACETRACK when they tried a
   Mustang, Opel GT, Cobra against it.  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@juniorx.osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: American engines oversized,underpowered ?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:18:39 GMT

I tend to think so.

Case in point- Chevy Cavalier 2.0L I4 OHV. 88hp. I know there are Honda
(Acura) models w/smaller displacement and more hp's.

We just don't try hard enough. I think it's more of the least-common-denom-
inator engineering going on.

-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org	OSF doesn't make me say any of the above.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: csilva@maestro.mitre.org (Carlos Silva)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Armor-All
Reply-To: csilva@maestro.mitre.org (Carlos Silva)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1992 13:50:59 GMT

Please,
Let's stop knocking AA until someone has some hard numbers.  I've used AA for years....and I have never had anything bad happen.  Yes, the tires get alittle brown after 2 or 3 years!!!!  I still think it's the best stuff.  I would not trade my AA for any other product.

So could the whining stop about Fog on the windshield, brown tires, cracking sidewalls.....etc.....  By the way, no product is going to keep your tires clean after it rains three times

CLEAN YOUR CAR, don't expect to put AA (or any other product) on once a year!!!!!!!

-- 
****************
carlos 
****************
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jcm11@po.CWRU.Edu (John C. Mackey)
Subject: AUSTIN HEALEY FOR SALE
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 23:21:30 GMT


For Sale:
1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite
Asking $5000

The car's body is in perfect condition.  Has been kept in
storage for 6 years.  (Ran perfectly at the time.)  Needs work
by this time.  (Clutch, brakes, battery.)

If interested, reply via-E-mail, or call David at 216-343-3564.

Thanks!
From: sowellrm@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Audi heater core
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:09:27 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Apr2.224719.6914@dbase.a-t.com>, cy@dbase.a-t.com (Cy Shuster 408431-5465) writes:
> There was a question posted about a week ago on some problem with
> Audi heater cores, and a reply from someone who said they would
> post the whole explanation of the problem. In the meantime, our
> host has been down, so would someone email it to me if it's already
> gone by?
> 
> I have a continuing problem with my 84 5000S where in cold weather
> the temperature gauge never rises past "C", and the heater produces
> no heat. It is an intermittent problem. Is this the heater core?
> 
> --Cy--
> cy@genghis.a-t.com

It sounds like the thermostat.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: csilva@maestro.mitre.org (Carlos Silva)
Subject: Re: Experiences with Armor-All
Reply-To: csilva@maestro.mitre.org (Carlos Silva)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:13:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.031018.27944%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu>, mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter) writes:
|> csilva@maestro.mitre.org (Carlos Silva) writes:
|> 
|> >Please,
|> >Let's stop knocking AA until someone has some hard numbers.  I've used AA for years....and I have never had anything bad happen.  Yes, the tires get alittle brown after 2 or 3 years!!!!  I still think it's the best stuff.  I would not trade my AA for any|>  other product.
|> 
|> >So could the whining stop about Fog on the windshield, brown tires, cracking sidewalls.....etc.....  By the way, no product is going to keep your tires clean after it rains three times
|> 
|> >CLEAN YOUR CAR, don't expect to put AA (or any other product) on once a year!!!!!!!
|> 
|> Carlos,
|> 
|> I politely beg to differ :)  In *MY* experience, tires treated with ArmorAll
|> have developed cracks in the sidewalls over a timespan in which non-AA
|> treated tires have not.  Thats all the proof I need.
|> 
|> And while no product may last a year, silicone-based products FAR outlast
|> ArmorAll.  I used to use ArmorAll religiously, but got sick of having to
|> re-apply it after EVERY storm.  The silicone-based products usually
|> last WELL over a month, no matter how much it rains, if applied properly.
|> 
|> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu

-- 
Mike, my man...
That's my point, Who cares what your tires look like after a storm!!!  You should be re-washing and re-dressing the tires and bumpers after the storm because your car is now dirty!!!  You mean to tell me that you wash your car multiple times and don't re-dress your tires???

Also, how did you test this...You treated some of your tires on the SAME CAR with AA and some without???  Until you do this, this is not data!!!  

later, I've got to go wash my car.....there was a storm last night and IT'S DIRTY!!
****************
los  
****************
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1991 Lincoln Continental.
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:23:43 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:

>I will suggest that before spending $35k on a Continental (not to
>be confused with the Town Car or the Mark VII LSC), you ought to
>do two things in this order.  First, get your banker to show you
>$15,000 in cash.  Look at it. Smell it.  Feel it in your hands.
>Then drive a high-line Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable with the 3.8 engine.

>Looking at this here Chilton's manual that covers all three, the
>Continental is Taurus/Sable technology with three major differences:

OK, I should stay away from this but what the hell...

I've had the Mark VII. Wonderful car to drive but tough on more than two 
passengers. The damn doors were simply too big. I switched to a sedan: a 
Continental. I liked it so much I replaced it with another one this year.

I haven't had an ounce of trouble with any of them. 

My wife's car is a Sable LS - the highest end of that line. To say that the 
cars are the same is ridiculous. WHENEVER I drive anything else and then get 
back into the Lincoln, it's a great and wonderful feeling. This is especially 
true if I've been on the road in a rental. God it's great to get back to my 
own car. The quietness is uncanny. The music is great. The ride is the way I'd 
design it. I only wish the thing would have the pep of the Mark VII.

As far as I'm concerned the quality is fine. Obviously a Mercedes has more but 
who needs it?

Fred



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