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From: bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell)
Subject: Opinions sought: SPD-compatible shoes for large feet
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:31:06 GMT

I am in the market for a pair of SPD-compatible shoes, and I am seeking
recommendations.

I wear a size 13 (48) shoe (size 14 in Nike brand), and my foot is quite narrow.
I'd like a well-made shoe that is designed both for efficient cycling and
comfortable walking.  I don't want to buy a pair of hooves.  If possible I
would like a shoe that contains no leather, though I realize that in my
size, I may have to take what I can find.  Also, I prefer shoes that are not
garishly decorated with neon-colored emblems or logos; reflectors are O.K.

Which brands or models should I try?  Which brands or models should I avoid?
Do Performance or Nashbar offer decent shoes?  What about REI?

For respondents in the Bay Area:  Which retailers offer Fit-Kit service or other
advice and service with the purchase of shoes and/or pedals?

Thanks for your suggestions, and if your response is of general interest, I may
post a summary.

-- 
bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com	(Bill Bushnell)
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:23675 rec.bicycles.marketplace:1307 rec.bicycles.tech:2142 rec.bicycles.rides:463 rec.bicycles.soc:1073 rec.bicycles.racing:696 rec.bicycles.misc:1312
From: ovr@lk-hp-12.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: studded tires
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Reply-To: ovr@snakemail.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: L{nsi-Uudenmaan Keisarillinen Polyteknillinen Koulu
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:55:56 GMT

>As an alternative to making studded tires, Performance bicycles sells

As another alternative, Nokia Renkaat Oy, Finland, make studded tires
in sizes 50-559, 44-584, 37-590, 37-609, 32-622, 40-622, 47-622,
32-630 and 44-635. (The list is a few years old, changes possible.)

I had a pair on my beater bike for two winters and liked them a lot.
I'm not sure if they are available in the States, though.
--
Ott-Vill R______________________
ovr@snakemail.hut.fi
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.juggling
From: dandres@cs.uiuc.edu (Duane Andres)
Subject: Re: buying a unicycle
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:19:09 GMT

In article <40615@unix.SRI.COM> david_buseck@qm.sri.com (David Buseck) writes:
>I need to get a new unicycle after the pedal on my old one sheared off. I
>would like to get information about good or bad brands, or any other one-
>wheeled wisdom you can share.  Thanks.
>
>David Buseck (415) 859-4714

   I like my Schwinn 24". The saddle is reasonably comfortable and
unicycle is solidly built. One thing to look for (in my opinion) is 
crank arms that do NOT use cotter pins. The pedals on the Schwinn
are better than average too! 

Later,
Duane Andres :) 

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:38:49 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Paul Stek writes:
> [... stuff deleted ...]
>or ironwood. So you fall off, big deal!  I do from time to time, usually
>while riding no hands and reading the paper.  As long as you don't have a
>sharp object that you encounter on your way to the ground the only thing
 ^^^^^
>that will be hurt is your ego.

You're right.  Unfortunately, I learned to ride rollers in the ancient cellar
of the bike shop where I worked when I was 15.  The shop manager had a set
of old Cinelli(sp?) that sounded like freight trains.  The basement was filled
with spare bike stuff and inventory; the rollers were set in the most remote
corner between ceiling high piles of rims and tires.  Every so often one
of us would get the brilliant idea of turning off the lights downstairs;-)  
Imagine the roar of the rollers, click, 3-6 seconds of roar, then either 
zzzinng, thump, $#&*! (pile of tires) or zzzinng, crash, clink, rattle, ...
(pile of rims), $@*&!

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow)
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:05:55 GMT

webel@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov15.015912.23430@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) writes:
>> 
>stuff deleted

>>  More important is that
>> if you do any significant amount of rollering, your position on the
>> bike will be slightly different from your usually road position. I
>> seem to remember hearing recommendations for a slightly lower and
>> more forward seat position, compared to the road position.

>more stuff deleted
>> 
>> -- 
>> Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
>> 919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu

>why would the positioning on the bike be different if you were riding 
>it on rollers than if you were riding it on the road?  Anybody have 
>ideas?

>baird
>webel@guvax.georgetown.edu
Probably because seated or standing hill climbing and other variations
in pedal technique can be helped by a slightly higher, more rearward
position. On the rollers you are trying to maximize only your spin,
and the other techniques (e.g. standing) are not possible. Therefore
a position that is optimized for spin.

I've read the opinion about seat position on rollers in several places
(I think Jack Simes, Winning Bicycle Racing), so it's not just my
personal opinion.
-- 
Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:33:49 GMT

sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery) writes:
: Every so often one
: of us would get the brilliant idea of turning off the lights downstairs;-)  
: Imagine the roar of the rollers, click, 3-6 seconds of roar, then either 
: zzzinng, thump, $#&*! (pile of tires) or zzzinng, crash, clink, rattle, ...
: (pile of rims), $@*&!

This reminds me of the contest we used to have:  See who could ride
rollers the longest with their eyes closed.  Try it sometime, it's
_really_ spooky.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:40:11 EST
From: Leoner J. Perez <LP8712A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Any track riders in D.C.?

Help! I'm a displaced Southern Californian looking for other riders who
ride track. Where's the closest velodrome? I got spoiled going to school
at CSU dominguez hills. thanks,
Lenny
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson)
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:36:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.030816.10053@slc.com>, marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
|>
|> Standing is well possible, though I've never braved it myself. Some of the
|> younger and more fearless in our club do some standing roller work now and
|> then, for fun and form.
|>

Standing is not that difficult, and it lets you stretch out
a bit so your crotch doesn't become numb.  It lets you
extend the length of your roller workouts.  

The important thing to remember is that when you get out
of the saddle you need to lift your body straight up and 
then forward (slowly) to a normal out of the saddle position.
When you are riding on the road and the rider in front
of you gets out of the saddle their bike will move back
about 6 inches from the shift of the riders weight. 
(Remember the relative position of the center of mass 
will not change so the bike will move back if you
shift your weight forward)  So on rollers if you quickly
get out of the saddle your bike will either pop back 
enough to jump off the rollers, or it will "bounce" if it
doesn't have enough energy to go over the height of the 
rollers and rebound foward again. This bouncing can feel
very unstable. If you are smooth about it riding out
of the saddle is very easy.  Also riding no hands is 
pretty easy too, but you just have to go for it - you
can't ride halfway no hands.

ajackson@ernie.princeton.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: jdu@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (john.d.unruh)
Subject: Re: Looking for Superp. results
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:53:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.104344.1@woods.ulowell.edu> cadyj@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>
>  Does anyone have results for the Superprestige cross race?  I think the race
>was on Nov. 7th. Thanks in advance.  Joe Cady

The race was in Gieten, The Netherlands.  The day was cool and dry.  It
was partly sunny.  The course consisted of a large section of paved road
followed by some slightly damp singletrack with some short hills
(about 3 feet long), followed by a section of deep sand around a swimming
pool.  There were 3 barriers at the beginning of the sand section.
The riders dismounted, ran across the barriers, down a curvy hill, up
the other side, then remounted and rode across the remaining sand to the
road.

DeBie went away on the first lap with one other rider (I think Moonens).
This pair kept a good gap on the chase group that included crowd favorite
Andri Vander Pohl for most of the race.  About 3 laps from the end, DeBie
dropped his breakaway companion, who was then absorbed by the chase group.
This group dropped Vander Pohl.  DeBie stayed away and won by a pretty
good distance.  I don't remember the rest of the results.

John Unruh
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Stupid roller tricks, was Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:02:58 GMT

> From article <nwc1-181192195758@sl-mac-6.rh.uchicago.edu>, by nwc1@midway.uch
> > Well, let's see about OTHER roller tricks (didn't think that I'd start a
> > whole thread on electrocution!). Riding no hands isn't much of a problem
> > for me, and standing isn't either. However, one of my friends demonstrated
> > his ability to sprint standing up in his room.
> > 
I tried the "taking your shirt off" trick.  It was pretty simple and soon 
I was hooked on this trick, resulting in me getting no workout.  Perhaps 
I'll try a strait jacket next :-)

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Stupid roller tricks, was Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Nov23.145131.5664@software.org>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:59:48 GMT

I thought that there was only so much to say about riding rollers and
that this thread would die, but it is now clear that there are several
people who find this topic fascinating.  Although it would be
appropriate to discuss roller racing in r.b.racing, that topic hasn't
come up.  This seemingly endless chat on riding rollers would be more
appropriately carried forward in r.b.misc, where it can compete
against the numerous mispostings that should be in r.b.marketplace.
(Sigh.)
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:45:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Ken Lehner (kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com) writes:

> Marc San Soucie (marcs@slc.com) writes:

> |> Standing is well possible, though I've never braved it myself. Some of the 
> |> younger and more fearless in our club do some standing roller work now and 
> |> then, for fun and form.

> To stand, try
> 1) get up to speed, 
> 2) stop pedaling,
> 3) stand up,
> 4) start pedaling.

Hmm. We do our workout on fixed gear bikes. This might not work so good.


> ... shifting gears ...

Similarly.


> ... and riding no hands

A must.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: ucswide@ucs.indiana.edu (MARTIN L LAUBACH)
Subject: Races in Ohio
Keywords: race,Mtb,
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:36:16 GMT

Does any one know of any Mtn. Bike races in the coming weeks in ohio? Or for
that matter anywhere in the midwest? Thanks for the help...

Stephen South
From: webel@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:34:09 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <1992Nov15.015912.23430@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) writes:
> 
stuff deleted

>  More important is that
> if you do any significant amount of rollering, your position on the
> bike will be slightly different from your usually road position. I
> seem to remember hearing recommendations for a slightly lower and
> more forward seat position, compared to the road position.

more stuff deleted
> 
> -- 
> Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
> 919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu

why would the positioning on the bike be different if you were riding 
it on rollers than if you were riding it on the road?  Anybody have 
ideas?

baird
webel@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:34:35 GMT

webel@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

> In article <1992Nov15.015912.23430@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.ed
> > 
> stuff deleted
> 
> >  More important is that
> > if you do any significant amount of rollering, your position on the
> > bike will be slightly different from your usually road position. I
> > seem to remember hearing recommendations for a slightly lower and
> > more forward seat position, compared to the road position.
> 
> more stuff deleted
> > 
> why would the positioning on the bike be different if you were riding 
> it on rollers than if you were riding it on the road?  Anybody have 
> ideas?
> 
If you're spinning a lot faster than what's usual on the road, you'd want 
to have your seat moved forward; a lot of roadies move to the front nose 
of their seat during a sprint.  As for moving the saddle up or down, I 
think that's a personal preference question.  I like to have the same leg 
extension regardless of cadence and regardless of whether I ride my road 
bike or track bike, although I do ride with my saddle forward on my track 
bike.

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: marshall@software.org (Eric Marshall)
Subject: Stupid roller tricks, was Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:51:31 GMT

From article <nwc1-181192195758@sl-mac-6.rh.uchicago.edu>, by nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe):
> Well, let's see about OTHER roller tricks (didn't think that I'd start a
> whole thread on electrocution!). Riding no hands isn't much of a problem
> for me, and standing isn't either. However, one of my friends demonstrated
> his ability to sprint standing up in his room.
> 

	The best trick I can think of is to ride up to the rollers,
and without getting off the bike, get the bike on the rollers and
start riding.  It seems possible to do, but I just haven't bothered
trying it :-)

	I think the technique will go as follows: ride slowly up to
one side of the rollers, about 3" from the edge; quickly apply the
front brake while leaning slightly forward so that the rear wheel
comes off the floor; while the rear wheel is in the air, apply the
rear brake and swing the wheel over onto the rear two rollers; when
the rear wheel touches the rollers, quickly lean backwards pulling
the front wheel off the ground and onto the front roller.  Start
pedaling.

	Maybe it would just be easier to ride a unicycle on rollers?


Eric Marshall
Software Productivity Consortium          ~~~        ,==-O
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2214 Rock Hill Road                                __ /  __     Hammer time!
Herndon, VA 22070                           ~~~   / / - / /
(703) 742-7153                                    --    --

marshall@software.org
From: stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: RE: East coast racing
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:11:38 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER

There is plenty of racing in New England.  Crits are the most
popular but there is usually at least one RR per weekend within
3 hours drive of Boston (where I live). Being in Conn., you should
also be able to do races in New York.  Look for the Army Stage race in
April.  The seasno starts pretty late here.  The first real races are in
mid to late April.  There are training races starting in mid March.
Training out here is difficult compared to CA (where I am from) due to
poor road conditions and dense population.  I expect you will find
the same problem coming out from Wisconsin.
Paul Stek
Stek@pfc.mit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Subject: Re: Dismounting Rollers:::::::::
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.174546.49506@uvmark.uucp> irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin) writes:
>Like doing anything else on rollers, it's not that difficult, it just takes
>practice.  Here's how I do it:
>
>1.  Put bike on rollers.
>2.  Straddle top bar of bike, standing on the rails of the rollers.
>3.  Sit on seat, and click into right pedal, which is at the top of
>    of its stroke.  Left foot is still on the rail of the rollers.
>4.  Start riding, by pressing on right pedal.  If necessary, you can
>    pedal circles with the right pedal to keep going.
>5.  Clip into left pedal.
>

You forgot 
2A. Attach bungee cord from ceiling.

Don
From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: TdF 1993 route
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:21:01 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

--------

If this has been posted already, I missed it, so here goes.
The 1993 TdF route, according to an article in the Nov. 9 1992 VeloNews,
is as follows:

Sat 7/3  Prologue TT, Le Puy de Fou, 6.8 km
Sun 7/4  Stage 1, Lucon-Les Sables d'Olonne, 208 km
Mon 7/5  Stage 2, Les Sables d'Olonne-Vannes, 230 km
Tue 7/6  Stage 3, Vannes-Dinard, 190 km
Wed 7/7  Stage 4, Dinard-Avranches TTT, 85 km
Thu 7/8  Stage 5, Avranches-Evreux, 226 km
Fri 7/9  Stage 6, Evreux-Amiens, 160 km
Sat 7/10 Stage 7, Peronne-Chalons sur Marne, 196 km
Sun 7/11 Stage 8, Chalons sur Marne-Verdun, 180 km
Mon 7/12 Stage 9, Lac de Madine TT, 65 km
Tue 7/13 Transfer and rest day at Villard de Lans
Wed 7/14 Stage 10, Villard de Lans-Serre Chevalier, 206 km
Thu 7/15 Stage 11, Serre Chevalier-Isola 2000, 175 km
Fri 7/16 Stage 12, Isola 2000-Marseille, 285 km
Sat 7/17 Stage 13, Marseille-Montpelier, 195 km
Sun 7/18 Stage 14, Montpelier-Perpignan, 218 km
Mon 7/19 Stage 15, Perpignan-Andorra, 220 km
Tue 7/20 Rest day at Andorra
Wed 7/21 Stage 16, Andorra-St. Lary Soulan, 228 km
Thu 7/22 Stage 17, Tarbes-Pau, 190 km
Fri 7/23 Stage 18, Orthez-Bordeaux 202 km
Sat 7/24 Stage 19, Bretigny sur Orge-Montlhery TT, 55 km
Sun 7/25 Stage 20, Viry Chatillon-Paris (Champs-Elysees), 180 km

Total distance: 3700.8 km
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:48:56 GMT

kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

> You can then try to ride rollers with your arms on your aero bars, if ya
> got 'em.  Getting on them is easier than getting off them, though :-)
> 
> Other tricks:  drinking from a water bottle that you take from and put
> back into your bottle cage, without looking down (or dropping the bottle,
> of course), shifting gears, and riding no hands (heck, I can't even do
> that on my bike on the road!).
> 
> Haven't tried rollers with someone sitting on my handlebars, yet...

A simple but great way to become smooth is to continuously alter speed 
while riding the rollers.  Start at a slow cadence then immediately move 
up to a full sprint and bring it back down once you're exhausted.  Repeat 
numerous times.  I find that I'm really smooth at low cadence and high 
cadence but it took me a while to get smooth in the middle cadences.

By the way, riding with one hand on the rollers is probably more 
difficult that riding no hands.

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
From: stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Proper setup for rollers?
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:05:10 GMT

I'm tired of all the rollers BS.  They are really not that hard.  I took
a beginner on my club who rides really raggedly and had him up and riding
on them in 15 min.  The first thing to learn is that you have very
little momentum unless you are a bonehead who wasted money on a disk and
you're using it or you have some home made rollers made from lead
or ironwood. So you fall off, big deal!  I do from time to time, usually
while riding no hands and reading the paper.  As long as you don't have a
sharp object that you encounter on your way to the ground the only thing
that will be hurt is your ego.

Paul Stek
Stek@pfc.mit.edu
From: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu (N.W. Choe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Proper setup for rollers?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:05:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: sl-mac-6.nwc1-181192195758
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.

Well, let's see about OTHER roller tricks (didn't think that I'd start a
whole thread on electrocution!). Riding no hands isn't much of a problem
for me, and standing isn't either. However, one of my friends demonstrated
his ability to sprint standing up in his room.

Other tricks- some riders in the UC Velo Club here were able to remove
their jerseys while riding, and to put them back on again. One broke his
Dura-Ace rear derailleur while trying out his aero bars on the rollers.

Just last week we had a mass roller clinic, where I saw this guy on a track
bike power it up to speed keeping his hands together on the stem. While I
can do this on the road and often do, he was doing this at very high speed
on rollers. I was impressed.

So, can anyone else remove clothing (helmet, gloves, jersey, shorts,
shoes...) while riding the rollers?

N.W. Choe, nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
5454 South Shore Drive, Suite 318
Chicago, IL 60615
312.702.4605