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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:25:04 GMT

Hey Amiga Advocates, how about something a bit more positive around here?
The NoMoreBimboPoliticiansWhoUseFalcons threads are getting rather old and
are doing nothing other than upsetting everyone.  Why don't we see if we
can do a little more Amiga Advocating instead of bashing and flaming the
living daylights out of one another?  I'm as guilty as anyone else, but I
will be happy to make peace and let these negative threads die.

Okay, has anyone else seen the Highlander series?  I saw it yesterday and
noticed that the guy doing the film processing and image enhancement was
using what appeared to be an A500.  I was reading a book and only had half
an eye on the show, but I began paying attention when they began talking
about using computers for image enhancement.  The screen shots looked like
they were on an Amiga, but I'm not certain.  Anyway, the show is marginal
at best and has the same cheezy special effects that plague Superboy and
SuperForce, but it was the only thing on before STTNG.  :-)

In other matters, I will be the proud owner of an A4000 in a day or so and
will be showing it along with an A3000 and Toaster equipped A2000 at the
campus computer fair.  Apple, IBM, SGI, and hordes of Clones will be on hand 
with their latest wares and we want the Amiga to look good next to them.  We
contacted Commodore last year and asked them to send us brochures and any
other sort of promotional material, but they sent next to nothing.  :-(  Last
year, we cut-up old AmigaWorlds and other magazines and put them together in
a binder, but it just doesn't compare to what the others have.  We have copies
of the Commodore Multimedia brochures and some other nice material, but folks
want their own copies to take with them.  Does anyone have any suggestions on
how to obtain this sort of material?  BTW, last year we had an A500, an A2000
with genlock, and an A3000 at the show.  On crowd size alone we clearly held
our own against the companies who sent reps, but we lost several potential 
sales due to the fact that we are a user group instead of a company or dealer.
But it was fun having the reps from Apple, SGI, and the Clones come over and
ask us if we had a Toaster in one of the Amigas.  Last year we didn't and blew
them away, I can't wait to see how it turns out this year with not only a 
Toaster, but also an A4000.  :-)

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: g_simkin@oz.plymouth.edu (Gregory D. Simkins)
Subject: Re: Fonts
Reply-To: g_simkin@oz.plymouth.edu (Gregory D. Simkins)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 02:16:55 GMT


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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:44:00 GMT

redman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Redman) writes:
>Me? Well, I failed to recognize the hidden talisman on level 56,703 of
>BLAZEMONGER, and now my k,n and q keys are permanently disabled.

Maybe just temporarily...

I have yet to try BLAZEMONGER--I don't think my old A500 could take it.
(Although I hear that a computer is not actually needed to play...)

-- Gerald
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:00:21 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov6.193804.13241@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> In article <1dec6qINNl2n@falcon.natinst.com> glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.163714.2271@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
> 
> Did I say that it was?  No.  In fact, I've seen very few computer cases
> that I'd consider a work of art.  The MindSet computer had a really nice 
> case and the original A1000 was pretty nice.  The A3000 looks OK, but it
> is really not very well thought out.  The A2000 is just about the ugliest
> computer I've ever seen and the A4000 runs a close second.  But at least
> they are functional and allow for lots of expansion.

	Yeah, the 2000 is kinda ugly, but I personaly don't thing the 
	4000 looks bad.  And the layout of the 'innerds' for the most
	part seems far superior to the A2000.  I mean you can get five
	drives in the damn thing!

> Skip Sauls
> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
> 
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: A4000 pricing (was Re: I've seen the A1200!!)
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:00:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.143927@cs.utwente.nl> tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman) writes:
>Prices in Germany are considerably lower... about DM 4200 for an Amiga4000,
>equivalent to approx. 1400 british pounds...
>
>In Holland, we pay about f. 5800 which is about 2000 british pounds
>
>just waiting for a european common market now

List price in the USA is $3799, but I just bought one for $2795.  I'm
eager to compare it to the 486-50DX with 24bit ET4000 SVGA and SoundBlaster
Pro that I use at work.  Given that my A3000 blows it away in nearly 
everything except raw CPU and color depth, I'm predicting that the A4000
will slaughter it.

Just waiting for the UPS man...  :-)

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu












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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:38:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.005021.13155@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>Seriously, RAM suddenly became an issue when the (...) decided to place a
>tariff on the chips a couple of weeks ago.  

Yeah, it's terrible, isn't it?  I thought I could sit back and laugh at the
silly Americans paying heaps for RAM, but the price HERE has almost doubled
in recent weeks.  Supposedly Korea is restricting sales world-wide to force
the price of all RAM up to beat the Americans at their own game.  Not good.

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


-- 
David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
 - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast)
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: To Amiga or not to Amiga
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:47:16 GMT

In article <uznerk.721348689@mcl> uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:
[ ]

>I got rid of my A500; there aren't any programs for the Amiga right now that
>can compare to ones of the likes of Word for Windows 2.0, Excel 4.0, or
>Mathcad (or Mathematica).  Is it likely that programs of this caliber will
>be written for the Amiga, or will it remain an "alternative" computer?

Maple is far better than MathCad and is in many respects superior to
Mathematica. Since you are in engineering, AmigaTeX would be a good
solution to typing technical documents. Word2.0 can't be taken seriously
for this use, although AmiPro3.0 (or even better Scientific Word which is
a graphical frontend to LaTeX) can. Excel is yet another spreadsheet. Ever
heard of matrices?
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:34:39 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
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: '>If you're not interested in computers buy a PC. Do I need to explain
: '>my point?
: 
: Yeah, I think you do need to explain.

Ok. My point is that if your main purpose for buying a computer is to run
word processors and calcs a PC is fine. But if you like playing around with
the hardware (including the OS) an Amiga isn't a bad choice at all.

I use both Amigas and PCs everyday, and I definitely prefer using the Amiga
for programming, painting and composing. That's my personal opinion, ok?

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From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:02:01 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

ef23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eugene M. Feinberg) writes:

[neat stuff about the alpha]
>So how about some thoughts, comments, and arguement!

How about just general drooling.  It'd be really neato-keen if Commodore was
to do something like that.  But what about compatablity?

>Eugene M. Feinberg

Christopher B. Fury        | "...reality was once a primative method of crowd  
cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:10:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.033149.27862@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang) writes:
[stuff deleted]

|> Phillips
|> --------
|> 
|> were showing off CD-I. I don't know who their target market is, but if the size
|> and design of the trackball controllers on most of the machines is anything to
|> go by, it appears to be the pre-teens. (ie large brightly coloured buttons,
|> and a large trackball). On a more technical point, there was a demo disk
|> running and showed off FULL SCREEN FULL MOTION VIDEO. This was very
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> impressive, and if CDTV wants to compete then Commodore better have the same
|> thing ready soon !
 
   Watch out with these Mpeg "demos."  At the last summer CES in Chicago,
I went there, and Phillips was also showing this "demo."  It was a clip
from one of those "James Bond" movies.

   Things is that it looked superb, but no surprise, no hardware in sight.
So I went and asked:

   Me> Is this from an actual Mpeg CD-I player?
   BM ("booth-man")> Yes, from a prototype.
   Me> Why I can't see a machine there?
   BM> Because it's still a prototype, and the board is huge.
   Me> But that looks like a laser disc... isn't Mpeg supposed to be at
       best like a good VHS?
   BM> No, it's better than laserdisc since laserdisc is analog and CD-I
       is a digital format.
   Me> But I have been reading that Mpeg doesn't have good quality....
   BM> Well, you can do the following:  you can buy a CD-I player now,
       then add Mpeg later on when it comes out at the end of the year,
       and when you look at it you'll say "that salesman was telling
       the truth... CD-I is great"
 
   At that point I decided to just end the conversation.

   I remember that some camera/video magazine was giving away free issues,
and there was an article about CD-I in which Phillips itself stated that
the quality wouldn't be better than a good VHS!!!!

[stuff deleted]

|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |  Richard Lavey - cs90rol@brunel.ac.uk - Brunel University - Comp Sci Year 3 |
|> |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|> |"He has engaged us in subterfuge and red herring...			      |
|> |	A fish I don't particular care for." 		- Dale Cooper	      |
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:03:14 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>>>	She made a good decision.  Engineers use either PCs or
>>>workstations by IBM, SUN, DEC or HP -- Not Amigas.

Er, shouldn't that be:  Engineer use either workstations by IBM, SUN,
DEC, HP, or resort to PCs until they can find a better job?

(well, maybe it depends on the type of engineer)
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    "I wonder what's taking Guybrush so long..."
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: === 1200 Released this Week ====
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <Paula_Lieberman.0710@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
 >
 > By the way, apparently IDC, doing a study on the share of the
 > market/numbers sold of microcomputers in 1991, didn't even MENTION Amigas
 > -- though it did include the 20,000 or so NeXt machines, for example, 1.8
 > million Macintoshes, 21.2 million IBM PC-compatibles....

Hmm, hopefully we talk about the same "IDC": Here in Europe, when they
publish their numbers, Commodore is always among the first ranks, typically
between second and sixth by value of sold stuff and between first and
fourth by number of shipped units. Funny they do not tell this everybody :-(

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From: jarrettp@uproar.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Future show/A1200
Reply-To: jarrettp@uproar.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:19:04 GMT


Sigh. Why does everyone here get so heated? Are you all from america where
amiga is about as well known as cp/m.
Well, *I* went to the 'future entertainment show' in london on thursday and they
had A1200 everywhere. Most running ZOOL or Dpaint. The Zool game was a one level
thing with identical game play except that it was slightly smoother to scroll
instead of the usual (copper) background it had a 8?16? color background
full of sweets. It was real nice. The DPaint was good too with access to all
the new aga modes although the version show would crash when things got 
difficult. The Show was full of nintendo and saga stuff too. I also picked
up a copy of Amiga Format at the show (UK mag). In it it talked about the
following:
	CBM developed the A1200 to a price in line with developers wants e.g.
	The software houses said they'd prefer 2 Meg chip to 1.44 meg disk.

	CBM expect software houses to write for the A1200  then port down for
	the A600.

	CBM said they weren't intending to sell the A1200 with a HD for now
	allthough it has got a IDE i/f.

	The CDTV has been cut in price again by 100 pounds.

	Some software has already supported the AGA chip set for a while. e.g.
	Art Department Pro has had a undocumented 'VGA' button.

My views:
	The A600 will go down in price again to 199 pounds.

	There is a suspicious gap in the range between A1200 and A4000.

	The A3000 and A500Plus are looking pretty silly.   

	We are going to see a lot of excellent VGA/PC/Adventure games for A1200
	real soon.

	I'm very happy although I guess I'll just keep the A500Plus for now.
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From: clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT vs. QUADRA Price
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:43:53 GMT
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Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
: In article <sf0jj5i00iUz87ghhK@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
: >It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
: >Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.
: >
: >You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
: 
:    The price of the Quadra plus $300.
: 
: >-Brian :)
: 
: ---
: | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
: --------------------------------------------------


WHAAAT?

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From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: I've seen the A1200!!
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:44:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.143927@cs.utwente.nl> tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman) writes:
>From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman)
>Subject: Re: I've seen the A1200!!
>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:39:27 GMT
>In article <1992Oct31.223425.6023@maths.tcd.ie>, mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
>|> In article <BwwGxJ.HKw@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, cree@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Cree) wrote:
>|> >machines for those of us who wouldn't even know what a pound looks like.
>|> 
>|> Well, it's small and chunky, about 1.1 cm diameter, kind of brown.
>|> 
>|> >Could you tell us how much the a500,a600 and a3000 cost in British pounds.
>|> 
>|> .8 m, .6 m, 2.4 m.
>|> -- 
>|> Mike Rogers,Box 6,Regent Hse,##EveryoneHasTheRightToFreedomOfOpinionAndExpressio
>|> TCD,EIRE. <mike@maths.tcd.ie>##nThisRightIncludesFreedomToHoldOpinionsWithoutInt
>|> ###############################erferenceAndToSeekReceiveAndImpartInformationAndI
>|> deasThroughAnyMediaAndRegardlessOfFrontiers...#10 UN Declaration of Human Rights
>
>Prices in Germany are considerably lower... about DM 4200 for an Amiga4000,
>equivalent to approx. 1400 british pounds...
>
>In Holland, we pay about f. 5800 which is about 2000 british pounds
>
>just waiting for a european common market now
In Sweden the list price is 24000SKR wich is about 2200. I wish I could get 
the A4000 for 1400. 
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From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:01:32 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov9.231209.18772@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
>>make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
>>away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
>>and multitasking.  Hence, OS/2, 16 megs of memory, 24 bit coprocessed
>>graphics, an Sound Blaster Pro.
> 
> All that says is you expanded one system more than the other and then
> looked for similarities.  You will find few.
> 
> -- Gerald


	I would have been happy to expand my Amiga 2000.  But the
iBM bridgeboard was  and still is  a ripoff.  I couldn't improve
the graphics in such a way that I could hope to have any apps
support it.  The software support was dismal, I couldn't upgrade
the sound very much cheaply.  And add a hard drive?  Only if I
wanted to pay some major bucks (compared to an IBM compatible).
	Moreover, many Amiga nuts (including myself, I used to claim
that my Amiga could do Cad faster than any IBM due to its graphics
coprocessing) fail to look at the reality of things.  The Amiga 500
and 2000 are good for 7 mhz machines, but they are still just 7 mhz (7.7).
It does show on many things including games.  I also like to play games
and the latest Amiga offerings just can't hold a candle to what my
IBM can do.  That is, except for arcade games which the Amiga still does
generally nicer than IBMs.  But then again, I could go buy a Sega
Genesis to take care of that if I had a need for shoot em up games.
	I just don't see good space flight games anymore for the Amiga
that are comparible to IBM games and as someone said, there will never
be a Falcon 3.0 like game for the Amiga or a good Ultima Underwords
type game simply because the major software vendors are not going
to waste money developing for a machine that has sold only about
5 million since its birth.

							-Brad


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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Microsoft
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:39:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov09.182452.28464@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

[ ]
>
>Are you saying here that the SB-Pro is better than our Foghorn(this was
>the internal code-name, much better,IMHO, than "Microsoft Sound System")
>card? I hope not as the SB-Pro is a cheesy  8bit stereo while the Foghorn
>card is 16bit 44Khz stereo. Oh, and it is Ad-Lib compatible, but our
>marketing dweebs don't want it to get the "gamer" image so we don't
>tell anybody. And I hope it does become that standard, because for about
>$200.00 it totally whomps on the competition. BTW: We developed this
>card with Compaq, so it's not a MS-only venture.

16 bit 44kHz stereo needs compression. Where is it? And by the way, I would
hardly call an FM based card interesting. Your card is no better than the
SB16, and even then 16 bit sound is typically not needed for digital voice
use, or business apps. If it were then you'd get Turtle Beaches' product, or
even the Gravis card.
>
>BTW, being SB-Compatible is no big deal. Considering the quality
>of the SoundBlaster it's kinda like being Yugo-compatible (aighhh!
>not another car analogy!)

This is a totally ignorant statement. All programs that have been developed
over the past few years in education use the SB DAC,Covox,Tandy, PS/1,...and not
Microsoft's card. If you want people to throw away thier software or spend
months upgrading it then fine. As it stands, the Microsoft product is a nice
addition to the PC sound world. Hardly earthe shattering.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toornto.edu
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:57:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.235511.69263@watson.ibm.com> arsouth@watson.ibm.com
(Andrew R. Southwick) writes:

>The issue is: The Emplant is not a perfect replacement for a Mac.  The Mac is
>more than software emulation.  It's programs running with NuBUS cards;
>being able to expand with an accelerated 24-bit graphics card; adding VRAM
>SIMMs to a quadra to get 24-bit color; built-in Mac sound working naturally
>with the rest of the Mac OS.

It's quite reasonable to say that Emplant is more than software emulation as
well. The point moreover, is the fact that you can decouple the OS from
the underlying hardware and successfully emulate the original platform.
This is no less elegant than Apple promoting the Mac for PC interconnectivity
via the file exchange and SoftPC.

>An Amiga with Emplant is not a Mac. It looks and acts a lot like one, but
>it is not the same thing.

It walks like a duck, it talks like a duck, it runs Mac software, it's 
a Macintosh.

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