HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nolan@twg.com (His Majesty the Policeman)
Subject: Re: For Queen and Country (Club)
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:26:31 GMT


In article <24713@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:
|>Subject line (pardon a vanishingly small pun) pretty much says
|>it all.  Her Majesty, whoever that may be at the time, visits
|>some facility that includes a private club.  She steps into the
|>dining room and retreats under a roar of disapproval.  There is
|>a discussion and one of the members cries out, "I don't care who
|>she is, no women are allowed!" or something of that nature.
|>
|>I've read this twice in the last week.  First, in a San Francisco
|>Chronicle sports column related to the golf tournament they're
|>playing at Windenrock Dunes or wherever that place in Scotland is 
|>that all the American golfers are groaning about. Then in the
|>current issue of Newsweek.  Same tale, different alleged site.
|>
|>Is this the UK equivalent of Lazarus the Bunny Rabbit, or did it
|>really happen?
|>
|>Joe "Newsweek seems to be outdoing Brunvand lately" Chew
|>

I heard on the BBC World Service last week that a journalists' club in London,
(was it the Herrick?) voted again not to allow women as members. They have a
dining room open to guests of assorted genders, female included, and woemen
like the place, especially, as one woman said, the ladies' loo, but no woemen
members allowed, even highly placed journalistic types. Not even Mrs.
Thatcher, said the reporter, couldn't join. How sad {:^)}

--
Nolan "Get me a new Club, Jeeves. This one's not exclusive enough." Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	
"... necrophilia doesn't really hurt anybody."  Rick Gordon
From: M Maxwell
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Blue Room
Date: 23 Jul 1992 14:38:28 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Jul23.101233.6741@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk>
ken@uk.ac.glasgow.tcrystal (Kenneth Shankland) writes:
>
>Following the big success of The Orb's "Blue Room" here
>in the UK, can anyone shed any more light on the Blue
>Room at the Wright-Patterson airforce base ?  
>
>I got to thinking that if (as alleged) it does contain
>specimens of alien lifeforms recovered by the Government,
>perhaps it holds some other well known 'missing' items.
>Such as Bob Crane's legendary massive stash of hard-core ?
>
>
>
>Yours in dub,
>
>The Vicar
>
Just under a year ago (i think), a lot of people on alt.conspiracy put
together a list of missing/mythical items that could be found in the
proverbial blue room.  I can't give you a name right now, but you might try
posting there and asking nicely.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

Hey you kids!  Don't touch that, it's ART! 

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: rmallier@mafalda.math.mcgill .ca
Subject: Re: "Eat the rich"
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:29:06 GMT

In article <54700@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun  
Ball") writes:
> Hello, folklorists.
> 
> I have this T-shirt.  It's solid black, and on the front there is a skull and
> crossbones (done in flat white).  Except where the bones should be, there is 
> a knife and fork instead.  Underneath is the phrase "Eat the rich".
> 
> 
> My question (if you haven't guessed yet) is where did this originate?  

I don't know where the phrase originated, but I did see a movie on TV in  
England about this very topic (I think it may even have been called "Eat the  
Rich") - the central characters in the plot at one stage ran a very fashionable  
restaurant where they ground up rich people in a meat mincer and fed them to  
their (unsuspecting) fellow rich people.

- Roland
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: How many Grooves on an LP?
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:17:03 GMT

In article <bugs002.712109307@bugs> bugs002@bugs.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Andrew Stevens) writes:
>
>
>Well, apparently this is a thread I started (although my original
>posting never appeared, the responses have) so I'll throw this in: on he
>record "Penthouse and Pavement" by the Heaven 17, the listed duration of
>the final song is <infinite>. This song, "We're going to live for a very
>long time" is placed so that the final phrase, which lasts exactly one
>revolution, doesn't activate tha automatic return of the tone arm. When
>you play it you get "for a very long time" and a cyclic snippet of music
>playing forever. Or until your mother comes in to see what in hell has
>happened to your record player.
>
>Andrew
This last-groove thing has appeared in a few random places: the British-only
version of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.  (For the youth-impaired, 
it is rumored that this album was recorded by Paul McCartney without his
wife playing any of the instruments, including the unconnected microphone, and
with musicians who probably never toured with Wings.)  This infinitely repeats
a backwards message.  (Anyone happen to know what it is re-reversed?)

There was a James Gang album (can someone please supply the title) that
infinitely repeats the phrase "turn me over" on side one and "play me again"
on side two.

And of course the obligatory CD question: rerelease of these on CD yields
exactly what?  Would they just give you one cycle, 50, 500, 5,000,000?  OR
some disclaimer about what a record once was?  Or just leave it out?

Also, some albums had some ego-fulfilling engravings on the inner grooves past
the recording.  The American release of Let it Be is heavily modified by
Phil Spector, nearly obliterating the Billy Preston organ solo, and adding
echo effects on the cymbals, etc.  (Even the 45 lacks these.)  This
Spector-ized version has an engraving indicating "Phil and Ronnie".  Is there
some CD equivalent for this form of graffiti?

cjl


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Banks + Short Term Car Loans = Scam?
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:45:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.012130.12576@news.columbia.edu>,
lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:

|> Of course, you get to walk away from a
|>bad mortgage on an overvalued property, so you probably should!

No you don't. The loan is a charge on the mortgagee, the property is
merely the security. The company can come back and require the sale of
your car/ furniture/ children etc to pay the balance.

Phill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Cat(s) in the pneumatic tubes!
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:12:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: what? the subject line's not enough?

Here's one, I didn't recognise it when I first heard it, but after reading
this group for a couple of weeks, I think it belongs.

I worked at "Air Force Plant #4" for several years.  This is the location
of the Fort Worth Division of General Dynamics.  We built the F-111's and
F-16's.  The plant was originally built in 1942 to assemble B-24 bombers.
The main assembly building is a full mile long. (verifyable fact)
When first built, the plant included an extensive network of pneumatic
tubes, for sending memos and small parts throughout the plant. The tubes
used were pretty big - some of them are still in place.

Here's the potential UL:  
  It was explained to me that some years ago, probably
during a lull between contracts, some shop guys had the bright idea
that the carriers used in the tubes were about the size of a cat. So
they caught a cat (possibly the company allowed a few cats to live on the
facility as ratters) and sent the poor creature (I *like* cats) through
the tubes, maybe halfway down the building.  One version of the story
has some shop guy who thought this was cruel try to soften the landing
by catching the cat in his arms!  I can imagine a cat coming out of the
chute and across the catch-table, but the only way I can imagine it is
feet first and all claws!

anybody care to have fun with this?  Now that I think about it, I'd
be surprised if the same story has *not* been attached to other locations

	obrien@netcom.com	Oh!  It's ... You, Bob!
From: rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jorge Rufat 283-4308)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: American food overseas (was Re: Moxie, submarines)
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:18:10 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company

pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>I got used to having coke with lemon

An interesting variation on the lemon twist is a slice of cucumber.
This happens in Spain as well. Seriously.

-- 
Jorge Rufat-Latre		 | (713) 283 4308
MDSSC				 | rufat@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
MIT				 | jrufat@athena.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: How many ways to make a Whopper<r>?
From: CDRESSER@eagle.wesleyan.edu (CLAYTON J. DRESSER)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:25:13 EDT
 <BrptMp.G0H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Jul22.224207.6748@dscomsf.desy.de>
Distribution: world
Organization: Wesleyan University
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In <1992Jul22.224207.6748@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

> In article <BrptMp.G0H@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> (Doc) writes:
> 
> |>n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
> |>
> |>>2,147,483,648.   A girl I worked with once told me her other job was at
> |>>McDonalds (or BK? this was years ago), but she wouldn't eat there
> |>>because there was a cook there who spit chewy mucous-flaps on the buns
> |>>and the burgers whenever he was not happy about having to work late or 
> |>>what have you.  I was horrified.  She never ratted on him either, so it
> |>>went on for years as far as I know.  I told everyone I knew not to
> |>eat there.

Story from my girlfriend's ex-roommate:

She was working at Burger King and her co-worker cut his hand while splitting
the buns in the back, accidentally spilling some blood on a fish sandwich.  She
served this sandwich (now wrapped) to a customer who back a minute later and
said "could I have a sandwich without so much blood on it."  She immediately
gave him a new sandwich and refunded his money.

So, I find it plausible, how about you...

Clay
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: smith-jeff@CS.YALE.EDU (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Ed Nilges and Snuff Films?
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:32:23 GMT

In article <62588@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>Please be careful with this topic -- you might make it happen!  I've heard
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
>that there is a group of bored rich people who like to make urban legends
>come true.  Remember the "Little Buddy" stories?  There was a kid named
>"Little Buddy" who was dying and wanted to get into the Guiness book for
>getting the most greeting cards.  This went around for years.  Then
>someone pops up (Craig Shergold) who really wants this.  What I heard
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was that one of his doctors is a member of this group, and heard the
>legend, and decided it would be fun to attach it to a real person
>instead of the mythical "Little Buddy."  It worked so well, he and his
>rich friends decided to try to make all the legends happen.
>
>Too much talk of snuff films as urban legend might make them arrange
>to film one!

My God!  Could it be?  The world's first META-urban-legend?  An urban
legend ABOUT urban legends?  Send this to Brunvand.

On a more serious note, I hope Tim didn't honestly mean what he said
in the last sentence.  There is a big difference (ethically and
legally) between doing something and just talking about it.  A lesson
most Americans have yet to learn (re: Ice-T's "Cop Killer" controversy).
I have a higher opinion of human beings than to beleive that merely
hearing a song/story about something will "make" someone do it. I
hear about Republicans ALL the time...


Jeff "That'd be in a snuff film, Bob" Smith
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: dp35@mc1adm.UWaterloo.ca (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: that'd be in the butt, bob
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:46:47 GMT

Steve Taylor writes:
>Terry Chan writes:
>>Yes, it lacks the proper degree of angst and pathos.
>I nominate "It lacks the proper degree of angst and pathos".

With the Subject line, I would say:

            "It likes the proper degree of anus path holes."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Jimmy the Greek
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:13:09 GMT

In article <R0UHDII@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>In article <vgdnbryq@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul29.013426.25975@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>> 
>> >In the New York area, we have had at least two similar incidents:
>> >There was a local weatherman who was a quick-drawing artist called Tex
>> >Antoine for many years.  He is alleged to have said something like "if
>> >rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it" as some parable relating to some
>> >impending bad weather.  He got a chance to appear on the air again and
>> >give a public apology, but was subsequently fired.
>> >
>> Dumb thing to say, but didn't Confucius once say it?
>
>Gads.  Talk about a story mutating into your proverbial UL.
>
>This was said by Clayton Williams, a Texas millionaire and stereotypical
>"good ole boy" who was running for Governer at the time.  What was so
>bad about it was he said it to a bunch of reporters and thought nothing
>of the remark at the time (obviously).  The statement was made as an
>analogy to some bad weather which was threatening at the time -- "Weather
>is like rape: when it is inevitable, it's best to just lay back and 
>relax and wait it out."  That's paraphrased, but it's the gist of it.
>
>A lot of people had a *fit* over this which poor Clayton couldn't 
>understand since he thought it an innocent remark (that must have been 
>one of the worst jobs one could have -- to be a PR person for Clayton).
>
>It was this remark and many other faux pas which cost him the race.  
>He was leading in the polls for much of the campaign and was thought
>to be a shoo-in.  He lost to Anne Richards -- a woman.
>-- 
>Stephanie da Silva                        Taronga Park * Houston, Texas
>arielle@taronga.com                           568-0480   568-1032   
> "If I had to be a breakfast roll, I'd rather be a cheese danish!" -- Monty

Apparently what we have here is a coincidence.  The Tex Antoine incident is
verifiable; it happened in the '70's.  You can contact the networks; Tex
Antoine was a very well known figure; as well known as Al Roker is today; he
had the same exact job, since the networks often pick the New York owned-and-
operated station's weatherman for the network AM weather spot, etc.  He drew
a recurring cartoon known as "Uncle Weatherbee" whom he changed daily to
fit the weather pattern of the day.  I assume this political thing we
have mentioned here is from only a few years ago ('80's.).

Curious that Texas is involved in both incident.  Perhaps Texas really *is*
that uncivilized.

I didn't hear the words, but I saw the Daily News article, and I heard the
apology the next night; it was a highly watched TV news program that night.
Tex was fired the next day anyway.

Tex did have a sort-of repressed Southern twang in his voice.

cjl (Coincidence does not a UL make.)

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Re: chow mein sandwich
Organization: Salivation Army
Date: 22 JUL 92 13:05:41    


In article <2307744@harvee.UUCP>, 
  scm@harvee.UUCP (S. Mudgett aka little gator) writes...

>someone is researching the origin of the "chow mein sandwich", which is
>allegedly popular in new england.  i've never heard of it before(so it
>must not be true).  has anyone else?

 Do they taste like chicken chow mein?

 - snopes

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| personality in America.  As capitalism, it is a work of genius; as culture, |
| it is mostly a horror."   --   Richard Schickel, "The Disney Version"       |
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: "Green Death" Beer
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:50:41 GMT

In article <l6lo4rINNi41@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM (James D. Jones) writes:
>My drink of choice, years ago, was Rainer Ale in the nice green
>bottles.  Kind of an acquired taste.  Everybody'd look at me funny and
>say, "He's drinking Green Death."  Hyuk, hyuk.  Well, _I_ liked it.  No 
>wimpoid Henry's for me.

I'm still quite fond of the stuff: It's as good a cheap beer as one can
find.  It was the regualar 10 A.M. tipple of the late columnist
Charles McCabe (and 10 A.M. tippling certainly helped him become
late).  It was also praised in print by the un-late Charles Bukowski.

But the UL I'm writing about was this:

  Some time ago Rainier ran a series of radio ads featuring Ranier
  Ale recipes.  The spokesmodel?  Green Beth.

Ha.  Good ad agency.  Fire with fire, and all that.

"Beware of beer in green cans!"
                C. Bukowski

phil

-- 
|play: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG; {ames|pyramid|vsi1}!zorch!phil                |
|work: phil@gsi; sgi!gsi!phil            | Phil Gustafson                   |
| "Don't believe in ads.  Don't believe in government.  Watch yourself --   |
|  everybody is trying to screw you!"  Bill Gaines, 1922-1992               |
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Re: Please help Craig
Organization: Salivation Army
Date: 22 JUL 92 12:56:09    


>Craig Shergold is 7 years old and dying of terminal cancer. 

 What insidious form of disease is this, that threatens to kill a child before
 his eighth birthday, then maliciously condemns him to spend the rest of
 his life as a seven-year-old?

 - snopes

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|"[Disney's machine] has placed a Mickey Mouse hat on every little developing |
| personality in America.  As capitalism, it is a work of genius; as culture, |
| it is mostly a horror."   --   Richard Schickel, "The Disney Version"       |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  David P. Mikkelson   Digital Equipment Corporation   Culver City, CA  USA  |
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Orange Julius (Re: Moxie, submarines)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:52:40 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Jul29.090044.12644@nntp.nta.no> styri@nta.no writes:
>In <14b25cINNs9p@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, Cyndi Cuppernell writes:
>>
>>1 teaspoon vanilla extract
>
>Are you sure it's "extract" and not just the 'vanilla flavour' thing
>they make up from cheaper ingredients?

A cooking UL:

Supposedly some "expert" chefs use the artifical one because it's "better" 
than the genuine article.

cjl
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.175039.5252@news2.cis.umn.edu> prock@morayeel.micro.umn.edu (Andrew Prock) writes:

>
>It seems to me that the definite standpoint of the atheist is a relic
>of times when the church was much more powerful.  But then that assumes
>that proof can be found, which I  don't believe can be.  So the whole
>concept of challenging an atheist is metaphysical because it won't happen.
>
>So in conclustion (really I'm trying not to lose myself here),
>it seems that someone who belives in god but does not accept any proof
>offered by the church as sufficient should be labeled an agnostic while
>one who disbelives god for lack of proof should be labeled atheist.
>(with the note that if given proof most atheists will believe, but may 
>not like it).
>
>well thats my 2 cents worth (BTW why is there no cent sign on my keyboard?)
>
>Andrew Prock

Part of your argument hinges on the default statement that some people
believe in a god in the first place.  The atheist states that you religionists
are pigheaded in attempting to force the deity concept on him, and instead
wants you to leave him alone, and/or get a life (without a dependancy on an
external uncontrollable force, etc.) that lives without deity needs.  We might
laugh at a primitive tribe as they are fearful of their local witch doctor
as the messenger of their deity, because we "know better" but I fail to see
the fundamental difference between that society and ours in this particular
regard.  The atheist refuses to accept blind faith as a pillar of any argument
and the religionist must accept it.  Thus there is no way a logical argument
can ever be made for or against religion.  A totally logical person (if any
exists!) must be either an atheist or a god himself.

cjl
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:19380 alt.folklore.college:2037
From: gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball")
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.college
Subject: "Eat the rich"
Summary: Who, what, where, when, & why?
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:58:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Hello, folklorists.

I have this T-shirt.  It's solid black, and on the front there is a skull and
crossbones (done in flat white).  Except where the bones should be, there is 
a knife and fork instead.  Underneath is the phrase "Eat the rich".

My dad gave me this shirt a few years back (actually, he was throwing it away)
after he decided he didn't want it.  I thought it was great -- it fits my
cynical attitude perfectly!  He told me that when he was in college, he and a
buddy went out one evening, got pleasantly blitzed, and ended up in some alley.
On one of the walls (this was in Ohio, BTW) he told me that he saw the same 
logo that is described on the shirt and he loved it.  Later on (meaning days,
weeks, or something) his buddy gives him this shirt as a gift.

Now, ever since I've had this shirt (maybe 5 years) I've been to a _lot_ of
places that sold some pretty funcky T-shirts, but I've yet to find anything
similar (and I've been to quite a few places in the U.S.).  Nobody I know (or
have talked to about it) seems to have any idea where this logo came from.

My question (if you haven't guessed yet) is where did this originate?  I can't
think of a more appropriate group to post this on, either.   If you think of a
good place, then by all means cross-post for me.

I hope this proves interesting.
Thanks a bunch!

Geoff
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