HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Edward R. Hamilton Bookseller
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:08:50 GMT

jciliber@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jon Ciliberto) writes:

>Has anyone had any experience with Edward R. Hamilton Booksellers? I've
>received two catalogs of his, and I think i'll place an order (he carries
>remainders, it seems; all new, mostly hardcovers). Any comments good or bad
>on this vendor would be much appreciated...

I've gotten a lot of books from Hamilton and have never been anything
but pleased.  If the book I ordered is temporarily out of stock, they
let me know immediately and on a least one occasion the book showed up
the day before the notice.

My only problem with Hamilton is that it takes sooooooo long to read
through the catalog.

Jeff Frane

-- 
gummitch@techbook.COM  Public Access UNIX at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400)
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Only Connect
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:47:54 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway


proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) asks:
 
> And while we are at it, what does "Only connect" mean? I think it is
> some kind of catchphrase, but it doesn't make much sense to me. Anyone?
 
It is from E. M. Forster's HOWARDS END.  It is on the cover page, but is also
a theme that runs through the book:
 
 
In what is probably the best known passage in the book, Forster writes
of Margaret and Mr. Wilcox:
 
        She would only point out the salvation that was latent in his
        own soul, and in the soul of every man.  Only connect!  That
        was the whole of her sermon.  Only connect the prose and the
        passion, and both will be exalted, and human love will be seen
        at its height.  Live in fragmants no longer.  Only connect, and
        the beast and the monk, robbed of the isolation that is life to
        either, will die.
 
Later, he writes:
 
        "Not any more of this!" she cried.  "You shall see the connection
        if it kills you, Henry!  You have had a mistress -- I forgave you.
        My sister has a lover -- you drive her from the house.  Do you
        see the connection? . . .  Only say to yourself: 'What Helen
        has done, I've done'."
 
 
 
Mark
 
PS

It has been at least a week since I've raved about what a wonderful book
this is.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: literature students
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:54:50 GMT

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir):
>Oh I dunno. 12 years in a bloody tent in two dozen countries, and look what
>a boring old fart I've become...

Well, it just goes to show, doesn't it?
From: jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE, PLEASE
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:57:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <563@arrl.org> jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:
>SUBSCRIBE

This is remarkably open-ended, seeming to lack both punctuation and
direction. I am uncertain how it should be parsed; as an imperative,
as a plea? "Subscribe!" or "Only subscribe"? To what? By whom? Can
this be a concealed advertisement from the Magazine Publishers
Association? 


-- 
"Every passion borders on the chaotic, but the collector's passion
borders on the chaos of memories" 
                                                -- Walter Benjamin
 ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!jzimm
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Talk Of The Town
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:52:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct3.163954.12905@athena.cs.uga.edu> fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
>
>     Who wears Rolex watches and drives Mercedes-Benz cars and carries
>Lladro leather?  Hollywood producers, dermatologists, congressmen and 
>successful mobsters, that's who.  The subset of this set which would 
>vainly pretend to a class above its own is _The New Yorker_'s natural 
>audience of suckers.


Wow, imagine if successful mobsters read the New Yorker!  South Philly
would never be the same.  "Yo, Antony!  Didja catch E.J. Kahn, Jr.'s profile
of Richard Evans Schultes last week?  Dat guy did more dope than your
bruddah Joey!"


 

-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:43:14 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>Do please let me know what a scholar's "vigorous political 
>activism in the cause of antidiscrimination" has to do with
>the quality of his work in Classics.

   Please do let me know how someone who apparently knows English could
have found any claim to the connection you suggest in what I wrote. 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Books in the time of love
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:46:20 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

>
>   My sweetie (nice term, that) and I are reading through "The Chronicles of
>   Narnia" together.  What books have you all read with your sweet patooty? 
>   What books read well with another person?  What effect, if any, did doing
>   this have on the relationship?  
>

Books NOT recommended...The Most of SJ Perelman
                        The Best of Myles
                        Crackers (by Roy Blount Jr)
                        the Top 10 list books from the Letterman show

I have been told by Near and Dear (a different law firm than the one
listed above) that my laugh when reading the above books is both louder
and of a different character than my laugh when I read, say, _Leave It
to Psmith_. Unfortunately all 4 (5) of the above are kept at bedside
for the times when I'm blue. Which means they can only be read when the 
N&D goes out to fetch a drink of water. Or on the sly. I've tried
waiting until she goes to sleep, but keeping laughter in is a noticeable
seismic activity.  

As for books in the YES column, it's hard to pick out. We were both of that 
Endangered Species -- the graduate student in English Literature. My favorite
wooing aids are musical now...the Ellington/Coltrane recording of
"In a Sentimental Mood"...Chet Baker singing "My Funny Valentine"...
Errol Garner playing "Skylark"...top hat, white tie, and tails....
and wooooo pigs!....stand back and let a man do the Popcorn! 

Sorry...got carried away there.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: You Gotta Love Camille Paglia...
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:42:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.022235.23954@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>She? 
>This cannot be.
>In fact, er..
>She's Virago Intacta!

Virago Intractable, I'd have said.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Books in the time of school
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:40:58 GMT

In article <9700@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley) writes:
>
>What got me throught high school?  *A Child's Garden of Pot* (I
>think that was the name -- I ditched my copy at some point along
>the way), the ever-handy guide to growing marijuana.  Bucked me
>up not only mentally but financially as well.

It's A CHILD'S GARDEN OF GRASS. If you hadn't read it so faithfully,
you'd have found it easier to remember the title.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Love letters
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:01:27 GMT

For me and my Welsh Rarebit the food of love was not music if, but music
if and only if. But for those in the blessed state right now, let me
recommend a newly published book of Love Letters between Rupert Brooke
(yes, that Rupert Brooke) and Noel Olivier. The person, Brooke, that
most people know was an invention of Winston Churchill.  The Perfect
Young Man sowing slightly wild oats and writing Perfect Little Poems, 
but finally dying for his Perfect Country. His love affair with Noel
Olivier has been removed from his official biography -- largely at
Miss Olivier's insistance. But now her grand-daughter has edited this
wonderful collection of letters. The scene is set when a 20-yr old
Rupert falls in love with a 15-yr old schoolgirl, Noel...

								Fido
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: A Room of One's Own with a View to Kill
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep22.225056.13968@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<Bv3Lut.MIM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> <d39n-0#@lynx.unm.edu>
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:23:54

There are all female rock bands, and even a magazine _Bitch_,
probably no longer published, was devoted to them.  My daughter
Susan was co-editor.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books in the time of love
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:26:10 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

OK, here is my kiss and tell story...

I was recently the third party in a very bizarre love/hate triangle.
The other two parties were a pair of poets, she Brazilian-Finnish (bad,
but with four collections, cocaine-crazed Christian fundamentalist -- a 
funny oxymoron, actually, a funny moron), he New York City (very good,
first collection from Norton next year).  Well, naturally, books were
the very meat and drink of the affair.  To make a long and very
interesting story short, the tryst involved destruction of expensive
apartments in Budapest, Helsinki and Paris, loud fights in restaurants
through Europe with me having to pay the bill, lingering lawsuits
involving copyrights and two great kids that should be in Rio with
their dad, and a vicious war of the pen.  When the pair of poets
finally broke up (partially because of my 'interference'), they
naturally accused one another of plagiarism.  As I was the only
bilingual person around, I was enlisted to translate the contested
_poesie_.  I became entangled in the whole mess which eventually
involved me having to write letters to several publishing houses, and
the President of one country.  All in all, I count myself lucky to
be here to tell the tale.  Books and love can be a volatile combination,
as I'm sure the r.a.bble will attest to.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:32:16 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.234626.11769@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>>And what does Naomi Wolf have to say that is at all interesting?
>>Oh how horrible it is that some women are prettier than others, that
>>men notice this, and that women notice men noticing this.  What is there
>>to discuss?  It is just not an issue at all for people who don't start
>>off with Wolf's leftist egalitarian premises.

>Of course, if one actually reads Wolf's book, one might realize that this
>isn't what it's about at all.  

...Intelligent and thoughtful discussion of Naomi Wolf's book.

I can't really add very much. Just a few things:

1. Mr. Baker, if I were applying for some highly technical position,
   and some woman more attractive by your standards were also
   applying, who would you hire? 

   Of course, you're going to say, whoever is best qualified. I wouldn't
   let looks be an issue in that context. And I believe you.

   But there are a lot of people out there who are not like you.
   Job discrimination on the basis of appearance, even in professional
   situations, is not uncommon nowadays; there have been many cases
   related on the net. 

   ...And that's one of the reasons Naomi Wolf wrote her book.

   (You're right that there are some situations where egalitarianism
   is a mistake. E.g., either you know how to design bridges or you
   don't; and, unfortunately, not all people can learn how to do 
   this at a professional level of competence.

   You know this, I suspect. So...would you want to walk on a bridge 
   built by an engineer who *dressed* for success? Or got the job because 
   the interviewer liked their cute smile?) 

2. Have you ever wondered, if, in these appearance-obsessed times,
   Abraham Lincoln could have been elected President? 

Lenore Levine
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Fictitious Fiction
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:19:58 GMT


Keith Morgan recently posted something about the fictitious fiction in
Eco's THE NAME OF THE ROSE.  I reminded him that Aristotle's treatise
on comedy is not fictitious, it is just lost.  While his response
indicates that this IS the work he was talking about, Mike Morris wrote
to me saying that he thought Keith was talking about the fictitious
diary of the monk who narrated the story.  

This certainly does qualify as a fictitious work in THE NAME OF THE ROSE.


Mark

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jpl@lyra.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Edward R. Hamilton
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date:  2 Oct 92 04:44:21 GMT

bhanafee@deimos.ads.com (Brian Hanafee) writes:


>In article <1992Sep29.005517.23439@mixcom.com> tom.damm <tom.damm@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>[various complimentary ramblings deleted]
>>I've ordered twice from ERH.  They only charge $3.00 postage, no matter the
>>number of books you order.

>   OK, I'm convinced.  Would someone *please* post an address or phone
>number for Edward R. Hamilton, Bookseller.  The best lead I have is
>that someone posted awhile ago that it is in Falls Village, CT.  I
>tried calling information, but they claimed to have no commercial
>listing under that name.
The address that appears on the catalog is simply:
Edward R. Hamilton
Falls Village, CT 06031-5000
They don't accept phone order (as far as I know), so there isn't any
phone number
Jonathan Lavigne         BL.JPL@RLG.STANFORD.EDU
Research Libraries Group/Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Organization: Clark University
Date: 29 SEP 92 13:32:00 GMT


>>> Fine.  Camille Paglia is a pompous, dick-waving fathead.
>>>
>>> *Norman Mailer* is an intellectual vampire bitch.  (But at least
>>> he can think his way out of a paper bag, and jesus can he write.)
>>       I think I'll decline to respond to the name-calling portion of this
>> article.  Why waste bandwidth for that?
>
>But Barbara is not indulging in gratuitous name-calling -- she is responding
>to Heather's claim that someone else's name-calling was sexist.

I'm still waiting, though, for an intelligible response to my claim.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

>Mark
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: "Had thy presiding star propitious shone ..."
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:12:35 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: proberts@woof

Can anyone tell me the author of:

 ``                          .... Thou,
   Had thy presiding star propitious shone,
   Should'st <something> be ... ''

which Gilbert White cites in "Selbourne" (1789)?

Many thanks ...  

 Paul
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:54:56 GMT

In article <1af44uINNbce@smaug.West.Sun.COM> jimh@pongo.Eng.Sun.COM (jim hori) writes:
>In article <9209301640.AA23617@coventry.Corp.Sun.COM> Lisa.Levine@Corp.Sun.COM (Lisa Levine) writes:
>>(However, the idea of doing these plays in any other
>>contemporary dialect makes me cringe!)
>
>I always thought Lord Buckley's rewrite of Marc Antony's funeral
>oration was hilarious: "Hipsters, flipsters. finger snappin' (snap)
>(snap) daddys, knock me your lobes! I came to lay out Caesar, not
>to hip you to him..."
>
>Of course, much of the appeal of this performance, and his other
>famous orations, had to do with his dramatic delivery and beatnik/
>aristocrat persona.
>
>
>
>....
>jimh@west.sun.com

Which reminds me of Robert Towsend's "Black Julius Caesar", which included
such highlights as Marc Antony's speech interrupted by a scalper and 
Brutus speech becoming a r+b song performed by Brutus and the Killers.
(I didn't want to kill him. Sh-whoop). Very funny.
 
Of course, much of the appeal of this performance had to do with his
dramatic delivery and streetwise/highbrow persona.

John A. Nickles
Standard Disclaimer: Purdue has their opinions, I have mine
"Who goest there? Unfold yourself!" "Yo, man, chill."
From: travers@iwarp.intel.com (Jim Travers)
Subject: Books on Writing (was Natalie Goldberg & teaching writing)
Followup-To: travers@ssd.intel.com 
Organization: Intel iWarp, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:54:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.182017.25019@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I enjoy a lot of Ray Bradbury's fiction and thought his book on writing
>was a waste of paper.  Same goes for James Michener (whose how-I-edit-
>manuscripts book currently on bookstore shelves demonstrates that style
>has little to do with his reputation).
>
>Someone mentioned John Gardner's works on writing, which they liked,
>and novels, which they didn't.  Some of my favorite inspirational
>works are by no-name authors (or by writers who've never impressed me
>in the least).  I've saved misc.writing articles by James Alan Gardner, 
>Bonita Kale, Crawford Kilian, Chuq von Rospach, and the inestimable
>Tom Maddox, but it doesn't necessarily mean I care for their fiction.
>
>Your Mileage, of course, May Vary.
>
>--
>Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
>  "I've discovered that I can't understand anything I write unless I flip the
>   bits.  You may want to do the same." --Melinda Shore (shore@tc.cornell.edu)



One of my favorites is Brenda Ueland's *If You Want to Write.*  

Jim Travers
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Exit Shakespeare....
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:27:29 GMT


francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
 
> There is a regional aspect to all this. It makes a lot of sense to teach
> Shakespeare universally in England [where the thread originated] and for
> reasons that I would not expect Americans to understand. It makes no sense
> at all for Jeff's "little balding bugger" to play anything but a minor
> role in America. Frankly, there's something slightlu embarrassing about
> Stratfords and Shakespeare Festivals in places other than England. Almost
> as silly as Spoleto-by-the-Sea in one of the Carolinas -- I forget which.
 
As Francis so aptly proves here, I was wrong the other day.  He IS a
boring old fart.  Do any of us believe any of what he writes here?
 
Mark
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: rab fest - part 3  (long)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:55:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith):
>He was a cross between a logger and Colonel Sanders.  That
>would be lumberjack for you East Coast types...

Don't you mean "chicken farmer"?

>On a side board were two expensive pump thermoses with coffee and 
>something the rabbers talked about at length:  Madelines.  They must
>be ritual food like communion hosts.

All *I* knew about Madelines was that they were supposed to be in
two straight lines -- and these weren't.  Could you have misunderstood?

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books in the time of Love
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:04:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <9209292103.AA08341@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>Anyway, it seems like a good thread.  What books were you reading during the
>start or end of love, where the book was viewed in a different light
>because of what was happening in your life?  

This doesn't really count, because it's ballet -- but it was "Romeo and
Juliet," so it was at least based on a book.  

It was the beginning of love for me, and I found the story trite and
hokey.  Until the end.  Then, unaccountably, I got all weepy and was
in a bad mood all evening.  



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: norbeck@albiero.bucknell.edu (nancy norbeck `93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books in the time of Love
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:30:26 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: albiero.cs.bucknell.edu


I don't really know what I could tell you specifically, but last
semester I was taking a Seminar in D.H. Lawrence, which managed to
really mess with my brain at several points (but then reading one
Lawrence novel per week almost guarantees that).  At the beginning of
the semester I was happily in a rotten relationship, but as the class
progressed, the less happy it became, as well as the more rotten.
About mid-way through the semester (over spring break) I went home and
found myself thinking "Gee, I guess I should call him and act like I
give a damn about him even though I don't," which is what I did.  

It took a former teacher of mine to comment on how he had always
thought of me as "fiercely independent and not the
class-ring-on-the-necklace type" to make me really think about all the
Lawrentian (or not) thoughts and ideas I'd been shoving into the
closet in the back of my mind for those weeks.  I finally got up the
guts to do something about the rottenness of the relationship and got
out before it got truly bad.

I'm not exactly sure what it was about all that Lawrence that
influenced the way I thought, but something about it made me realise
that I was wasting my time and my life in that relationship, and that
I'd be much more fulfilled if I got out of it.  I doubt I'll ever be
able to think of Lawrence again without seeing myself in the
characters, agreeing or disagreeing with them based on the class and
my own experience.



Nancy
  
--
|.."I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice..|....Nancy Norbeck.....|
|......Krispies."  Charles Emerson Winchester III......|.norbeck@bucknell.edu.|