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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:15:56 GMT

In article <4200330@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>Brantley does not suck.  He is having an off year.  It happens.  Dumping him
>now would be a mistake because his trade value is low.  
     I never mentioned in my article that the Giants should dump Brantley.
My point is: not to use him in game situations.  Make him the 5th starter
or move him to middle relief.  With his control and his confidence level
right now, it would only cost the Giants more games.

Just look at what some
>other 'washed up' Giants are doing:
>
>o Lefferts in SD is an allstar with a nice record
>o After giving up on M. Davis he won a Cy Young for SD
>o Mulholland is a good pitcher for Phi and has no-hit the Giants.
>o Dennis Cook has a respectable ERA in Cleveland
>
   Jim Gott, despite walking home the winning run for the Giants Friday
   night, is having a pretty good year.  
   Russ Swan is not that bad for Seattle.  He never showed that he can
   pitch in the majors when he's with the Giants.

>I'm sure its hard for someone like Brantley to stay focused when the team
>sucks and is > 15 games out of first.
>
>************************************************
>* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
>*                                              *
>* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
>* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
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>
Edward Hui
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: JEFF REARDON
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:25:29 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.174244.24481@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
> In article <1992Aug16.063315.14427@news.stolaf.edu>, alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
> |> In article <92228.041547IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> |> >For three years I have cringed at the site of Jeff Reardon being called in
> |> >from the bullpen. For three years I have watched him blow leads that
> |> >other closers would have sewn up in no time. When is the Red Sox management
> |> >going to realize that Jeff Reardon must go? Tonight he blew a two-run
> |> >lead, and then lost the ball game, by giving up a home run to that frequent
> |> >home run hitter, Milwaukee veteran Jim Gantner. Reardon may be the all-time
> |> >saves leader, but he has lousy mechanics, and all he does is try to strike
> |> >hitters out by throwing watermelons up the heart of the plate. Doesn't he
> |> >realize that he's not as fast a pitcher as he used to be?
> 
>   He can't help it - he's just used too much! He's actually quite effective
>   when used every 4th day or so - then is ERA is very good. But when used
>   with less than 2 days rest, his ERA is about 4. I forget the exact figures,
>   but these stats were given in Gammons Globe column yesterday.

If this is really the case, I would respectfully ask what use is a closer who
can't pitch 1 inning in two consecutive games without sucking the big one.
 
> -Ron

[deleted]

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Dan S.
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From: dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025)
Subject: Re: Mets protected(Bobby Jones)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:55:22 GMT

>Anyone care to speculate as to who will be the first Met drafted?  I
>notice that neither Bobby Jones or Tito Navarro are showing up on any
>of the possible protected lists.  Does this mean that they're not
>eligible for the draft?  The last time I looked, the Mets were planning
>to convert Navarro into a second baseman, and they don't really have
>anyone else (unless Donnells converts) to play there in the near future.

Bobby Jones is automatically protected unless they bring him up to the
big leagues, I don't know if the same applies for Navarro.  Lately,
Donnells has been playing second base for the Mets.  It seems like if        
they don't re-sign Magadan, Third base goes to Donnells.  However, I   
wouldn't mind seeing Donnells at 2nd and Magadan at third for next
year.          

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From: bogreen@council.chspr.ubc.ca (Bo Green)
Subject: re: Day/Night Hitting
Reply-To: bogreen@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: Centre for Health Services & Policy Res.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:09:51 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.180333.11170@cs.wayne.edu> usenet@cs.wayne.edu (Usenet News) writes:
>Are there actually some hitters who have a tendency to hit better in
>either day or night games?  I've seen this comparison in a few stat
>books and it seems kind of stupid to me.  Obviously lefty/righty and
>home/road are useful and I was wondering if this was too?
>

Some hitters do seem to have an affinity for day hitting, although how
useful such a stat could be is arguable. I remember that before Andre 
Dawson played for Chicago, everyone was saying how great it would be if
he played in Wrigley, with all the day games, since his day average was
quite a bit higher than his night average. In Montreal, the only day games
are Sunday, so he would have had many more at bats at night than in the day.
Whatever that means. He did have a monster year (MVP) his first year with
the Cubbies, but I haven't seen his day/night numbers since going over there.

Other than that, I haven't heard that stat used much, except as a novelty.

Bo Green (bo!bo!bo!)                      Internet: bogreen@unixg.ubc.ca
Programmer/Analyst                        Bitnet: USERJIK@UBCMTSG
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University of British Columbia, Vancouver CANADA
From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mike Flanagan Sucks Toads!!
Keywords: lame, pitchers, washed-up
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:12:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm sorry, but I just had to do this... 

Yet another scintillating performance from 'The Human Batting Tee' Mike
Flanagan yesterday versus those hard-hitting Kansas City Royals--I'm
not exactly sure what the line was, but I think it went something like
1/3-5-5-5-1-0.  

I have NO idea why Oates would use Flanagan in a game that was even remotely
close at this point--this is not the first time Flanny's come into a 4-0 game
and left it 10-0...  The O's should dump him now and recall Pennington from
Rochester.  I think that the O's cannot afford to have only 4 pitchers to go
to in the pen at this point of the season, especially with Olson's recent
problems.  The Orioles must make a substantial move now, with Seattle and
California coming to the Yard while Toronto plays Milwaukee, Chicago, and 
Minnesota, or risk falling out of the race quickly come September.

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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Tue, Aug 18th, 1992
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:59:21 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


        MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR TUESDAY, AUGUST 18, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	 --
Cincinnati Reds		i44		        Montreal Expos		i43
San Diego Padres	i38		        Chicago Cubs		i37
San Francisco Giants	 30		        St. Louis Cardinals     i36
Houston Astros		i26		        New York Mets           i34
Los Angeles Dodgers	z24		        Philadelphia Phillies	i30

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	i--		        Toronto Blue Jays	i--
Minnesota Twins		i40		        Baltimore Orioles	i42
Chicago White Sox	z36		        Milwaukee Brewers	i40
Texas Rangers		i29		        Detroit Tigers           31
Kansas City Royals      z27		        Boston Red Sox          i30
California Angels       i25		        Cleveland Indians       i29
Seattle Mariners	i19		        New York Yankees         29
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: AL Cy Young update
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:42:34 GMT


Gullickson failed in his bid for his fourteenth win last night.

An interesting thing has happened this year.  Of the top nine pitchers
in the league in wins, only *three* of them are in the top 10 in ERA!
I guess that's what happens when the good offenses don't have good
rotations, and the good rotations have lousy offensive support.

Brown (16-7) pitches against McDowell (15-7) tonight.  Probably
will be on ESPN (though I haven't checked).

Morris (15-5) on Sunday pitched what may have been his strongest
performance this year.  (I know he shut out the Red Sox, but
*everybody* does that.)

Clemens (14-7, 2.20) goes against Langston and the Angels.  A win
here would do wonders for his Cy Young chances.  (He basically
needs to win every remaining game.)

Fleming (13-5) pitches against Ben McDonald.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
From: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: simulation games
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:33:19 EST
Reply-To: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>         PTP in my opinion is the best simulation. It has just about
> everything you might want. It has lefty righty averages for both
> pitchers and hitters, it uses different outcomes for grass and

MS=>Almost everything you listed about PTP applies to Strat as well, except in the
  =>latter, ballpark adjustment applies only to home runs and singles.  What I
  =>would think are the advantages of PTP is the potentially more realistic
  =>fielding system, but I fear their cards are based on flawed statistics which
  =>make it no better than Strat's apparent basis on "placement in Gold Glove
  =>voting" for range.

Actually according to the instruction book for the PC version of PTP 
they actually use Bill James' range factor for the fielding ratings, 
I'm not sure what they use for the board game cards.

               Russel
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rangers/Twins  Game-11  9/13/92
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:51:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19710
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


       Rangers .......... 6 ; Twins ........... 1

The Rangers split the 4-games series at Minnesota by hammering
the twins, 6-1 today and are leading the 11 game season series
6-5.

The Twins have fallen 3.5 games behind the As and looks like
it will become 4 as the As take on "Run-Starved-California"

The Twins open up a 6 game road trip to Seattle and Claveland,
before coming back home, next week, to open up a 10 game
home stand: Jays(3), Tigers(3) and Yanks(4).

Hope they atleast stay 4 behind the As on the road and make
some gains on them on the up-coming home stand.

S.h
Forever Twins.
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From: altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus)
Subject: Re: Suncoast Monstrosity
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 08:11:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.035541.18820@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>>If you don't think Tampa needs a dome for baseball, you obviously aren't
>>familiar with Florida weather.  While I would like to have seen a
>>convertible dome like Toronto has, I haven't heard many bad things about
>>the Suncoast dome.  Of course, I might not be listening in the right places

that WOULD have been really nice...kinda expensive when you have no idea
whether you'll ever get a team, though...

>
>Actually, I am familiar with Florida weather, having been born and raised in
>Jacksonville.  I was eighteen years old before I ever laid eyes on snow.  The
>weather in Jax is worse than St Pete both in terms of heat and rain.  Please
>pardon me if I stand by my original comment expressing wonderment at the need
>for a dome.
>

on what grounds do you claim that Jacksonville (which most floridians 
consider to be more a part of Georgia than Florida, anyway) has worse heat
and rain than St. Pete?  even if it does, anyone who has ever gone to 
minor league games in the Bay Area (the Tampa Bay area!) on a regular basis
knows that a dome is absolutely necessary.

growing up in tampa, i went to Tarpons games a LOT, and i don't ever 
remember seeing one game...always zero or two.  i remember lots of games
where the weather was fine all day and until the top of the second, when 
a few clouds would appear, and by the bottom of the second it was pouring
rain and the stadium was shaking with the thunder;  granted, this was a
minor-league stadium without the best ground-equipment, but no WAY could
they play on that field for the next several hours.  that doesn't cut it 
in the majors, especially for regional draw...how'd you like to drive three
hours to a game when the weather is fine up to the middle of the third, only 
to have the sky open up and the game postponed?  how'd you like to drive 
five or six hours to spend a weekend seeing three games and have them 
ALL rained out?  with no warning from the weather people?  this WILL be
happening in Miami...

i've been silent on this issue the whole time...i HATE domes, i HATE astro
turf, and i like being able to see NL teams here while i'm at stanford (and
have no plans to ever live in Tampa again)...but i must tell you, as one who
has lived in both places very recently, no matter what the die-hard 
Giant fans here say, from what I'VE seen i must admit that the fans in 
Tampa/St. Pete deserve a team much more than the ones here...



--steve altus


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From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)
Subject: Day/Night Hitting
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:03:33 GMT

Are there actually some hitters who have a tendency to hit better in
either day or night games?  I've seen this comparison in a few stat
books and it seems kind of stupid to me.  Obviously lefty/righty and
home/road are useful and I was wondering if this was too?

--
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Final Call - Hall of Fame Votes
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:58:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.170602.16613@babbage.ece.uc.edu> rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) writes:
>
>All other retired players are eligible for election.  The rules


Just making doubly sure here before I vote. ALL other retired
players are eligible? As you are all aware, this is different 
from the criteria that the HOF uses. So should I feel free to
vote for Joe Jackson even though he was banned from baseball?
And for Dan Petry even though he retired fewer than 5 years ago?

If you do really mean that all other retired players are eligible,
you should probably add a note in your announcement to the effect 
that this differs from what the other Hall of Fame does.



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
          	Some of my best friends are men.
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From: kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu (Dave Nobody Kirsch)
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Organization: Paul Spoljaric mean-and-nasty club
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:17:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.233851.27808@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson 'Cock-a-doodle-'Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.173652.22078@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C 'Cubed' Squared) writes:
>
>>So who makes the best chili, Mark McGwire, Kent Hrbek, or Frank Thomas?
>
>Judging from the size of his appetite, I'd think that Hrbek would win that
>one.

  Nah, Hrbek's too busy eating and playing ball to worry about actually
*cooking* food. He cut in front of Lance Smith at the DQ last night to get a 
dozen dilly bars to go. Must've been a mid-late-evening light snack. Sounded
like he was in a hurry. 
 
-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch            kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu 
"Blue Jays - break my heart again in '92"                Jeff Kent for ROY
"I believe virtually everything I read, and I think that is what makes me
   MORE of a selective human" - Joe Average, baseball fan and media puppet
From: chungdan@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: [baseball] baseball is difficult to evolve
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:38:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: efi.9208202138.AA06248
Reply-To: chungdan@leland.stanford.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa,rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Electronics For Imaging, Inc.


     Baseball is difficult to control.  You throw and you hit, and
everyone else runs.  With basketball, you have better control of
where the ball (or whatever is the concentration of the game) goes.

     As a result, it is difficult to learn from previous moves.  And also,
there is much less interaction between different players. ...

						*Zhong* Qi-Iao, U.S.A.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: Who am I?
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:58:59 GMT

I was a Cleveland Indian for a while. I was born in southern Ohio with a
former pro basketball player and a pro football players brother. I played
for over 20 yrs. Where was I born and who am I?
 
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From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: What happens if????
Organization: ceNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:24:47 GMT

In article <20AUG199213390674@pierre.mit.edu>, kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
> 
> In article <19801@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan writes...
> >What happens if at the end of the season, three teams are tied for
> >first spot for the division. Is this  a possiblity and has this
> >ever occured before.
> > 
> >S.h
[...]
> It has never occured before. 
[...]
Have three teams ever tied for last? Look at the AL East standings of 20 Aug! 

Gerry Myerson 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Support-Neutral W/L Report -- NL
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:31:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.162353.11655@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>>
>>>Pitcher       Team    E(W)  E(L)    W  L   Diff.
>>>------------------------------------------------
>>>Glavine        ATL   11.6   7.0    17  3    9.4
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   
>>   If this doesn't prove that it's better to be lucky than good,
>>   I don't know what will! Just imagine lucking out to back-to-back
>>   Cy Youngs. This guy oughta play the lottery!!!
>
>This is a bit unfair, as I don't believe these numbers are park
>adjusted.  Besides, isn't a 12-7 record pretty good?
>
    True, true...just having fun with the stat fanatics....;)

    --salty


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: AL RC/27 Leaders
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:52:24 GMT

In article <BsvI1A.7B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>We can't sum RC/27 into anything meaningful, but we can sum Runs Created.
>Bill James did this back in the '82 Abstract and I've done it here using
>Don Hearth's posted AL stats from a week ago.  I've used the simplest
>runs created formula
>
>(Hits + Walks)*(Total Bases)/(At Bats + Walks) = RC
>
>for everyone in the AL and summed to get team and league predicted runs.
>More detailed versions of the formula, which might be what Nelson is
>using, should have smaller errors but the necessary data are not 
>available.  (%Error = 100*(Created-Scored)/Scored).  In any case, 
>the fit isn't bad, 8 of the 14 within 12 runs, none worse than 10%--

Harold, can you (since I don't know how to :-)) do it with this formula:

A = TB + (.26 * BB) + (.52 * SB)
B = H + BB - CS
C = AB + BB

RC = A * B / C

This is not the exact formula either, but this is as far as you can go with
the stats that are posted...

Does anyone (David Grabiner?) have another formula for in the case that you
don't have the data for SH, SF, and GDP?

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Giants
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.221719.2997@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.111211.439@pdn.paradyne.com> oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley) writes:
>>My only problem with the Suncoast Dome is the location selected.
>
>That's actually a significant problem.  It's not very well located to draw
>as a regional franchise; anybody wanting to come to a game from Orlando has
>to go through Tampa and St Pete to get there.  
>
>Which raises the question (and a suggestion of a net.pool :-): how long
>before the Tampa Bay ownership wants somebody to build them a new stadium?

This sorta brings up a question. When the expansion committee was making its
tour of potential sites, one of the newspapers (either the Thang or Baseball
America) reported that extensive upgrading had to be done to get the 
Tiltadome (Suncoast Dome) into shape for major league ball.

Now I know that the Dome was built with baseball in mind, but do improvements
need to be made before 1993 for the Giants to move in? Can anyone local to 
Tampopo Bay tell us what the Dome is like and what changes (if any) have
to be made to gear it up for the majors?
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  More replica World Series    |  I'll smote it ere it reach the mitt."
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From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:34:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Say it's so!  Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA