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From: wai@mackinac.ecn.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
Subject: Re: sleepless weeks
Reply-To: wai@ecn.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
Organization: School of Civil Engineering, Purdue University
Disclaimer: as usual...
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:54:18 GMT

 In article <1992Sep29.143646.20395@sctc.com> smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith) writes:
>......
>Questions to readers: does that Bauhaus teaching style still dominate
>architectural education? Isn't it overdone? Wouldn't it help if
>schools taught a bit more about how to build things, so graduates
>would have some useful skill to offer employers?

	I have always a bad feeling that it is a tradition for architects 
	just to design and let the engineers to run around and solve (or 
	take care of) things like whether the design would stand and how 
	to put it up...

	Practical experiences are usually more useful than skills learnt
	in school, in my opinion and experience. 

>For the record, I'm a computer scientist and we have similar problems
>with college level curriculums, though not quite as extreme. Most
>graduates at least know _some_ computer programming....

	As matter of interest... what type of programming languages
	are commonly used in the field of Architecture? and on what do 
	they often apply?

>Rick.
>smith@sctc.com         arden hills, minnesota


	- Benjamin Wai  < wai@cn.ecn.purdue.edu > < wai@sage.cc.purdue.edu >
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Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: jlb@thor.inesc.pt (Jose' Luis B. Borbinha)
Subject: HELP: Intelligent Buildings
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:30:35 GMT

  Hi,

 I'm a PhD student at the Lisbon Technical University, from where I've also
a graduate and a master degree in Computers.

 I'm working now in the integration of services in "inteligent buildings"
(residential buildings, offices, etc). The target is the total integration of
services usually treated as separeted ones, like "automation services"
(energy and air conditionned management, access and fire security, elevators
control, etc), communication networks (phones, fax, etc) and computer
services (computer networks with CPUs, printers, file servers, etc).

 Therefore, and with the purpose of the exchanging of ideias, I'm looking for
people interested in this subject, comming not only from the computer/electrical
area but also from another ones (like architecture, civil eng., etc),

thank you,


-- 
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From: barua@plains.NoDak.edu (Soumen Barua)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Architect
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:53:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I have a general question to the students in the profession of Architecture.
That is, How many of you have "Photographic" memory?
However, I am not implying anything about any existing relationship between
Architecture and "Photographic" memory. This is just a curiosity I want to
satisfy.I am sure that you can become a Michaelangelo (or better) without
having a Photographic memory, and do perfectly well in this field. As long
as you have that interest and inclination to work in this field.    
You can send me an email or post on this group. Whatever you feel appropriate. 
Good luck and have fun.  
Soumen
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Who reads this group?
From: schurchv@zeus.calpoly.edu
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 22:13:33 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Oct3.025051.10255@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren ) writes:
>
>: I guess the header says it all. I've never seen an Architecture firm which
>: is hooked up to Internet. Are there any out there? 
>
>I don't think there are any architecture firms connected to the net, but there  
>are plenty of schools with architecture, design and planning programs that are  
>.. :) 
>
>--
>   Dan Tasman                                       dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu
>                                                     molson@rever.nmsu.edu
>   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "I think that I shall never see a billboard lovely as a tree
>    Indeed, unless the billboards fall, I'll never see a tree at all."
>                                                                Ogden Nash

Well this message base is being received here at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, California.  I'm not sure how many students in the Architecture major have accounts but I do know that our mainframe usage has increased significantly over the
last two years.  Hopefully those students will realize the benefit of this 
priviledge and get hooked up.  I myself am a Construction Management student
and hope to understand better the trials and tribulations of the architecture
body of folks.

BTW, has anyone ever heard of the ICADS project currrently under development
here at Poly?  It is an intelligent computer aided drafting system being 
designed by grad studeents.  There was an article in Engineering News Record
about it seven or eight months ago.

steve
From: jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren )
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Who reads this group?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 11:58:08 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: briones.ced.berkeley.edu

I guess the header says it all. I've never seen an Architecture firm which
is hooked up to Internet. Are there any out there? 
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Subject: Advice for would-be architect (high school student)
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:01:53 GMT


My sister is currently interested in architecture.  She is an
excellent technical artist (drawing, sculpture) and has good
scientific and mathematical skills and knowledge.

I would like to ask current architecture students or professionals
working in the field of architecture and related disciplines if
they have any information that would be useful to her.

Anything from recommendations for schools, programs of study and
level of education to achieve before looking for work to software
packages (IBM compatible preferred - we have '486 with s-VGA),
to horror stories/good stories about schools, employers, projects,
whatever.

Thanks a billion in advance.

--

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Operations/User Services          1200 Washington Avenue South
(612) 626-1888 work               Minneapolis, Minnesota  55415
(612) 645-0168 voice mail         [DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS; NOT MSCI'S]

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Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Geodesic dome height
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:24:48 GMT

I take it domes don't have a lot of vertical outside wall. Can you
build domes on top of domes? Land is expensive so you want lots of
height for a small footprint or basement. I suppose you can pack
domes like golf balls in a box or basketball.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: stiv@stat.rice.edu (david n stivers)
Subject: Re: Geodesic dome height
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:40:23 GMT

In article <1aeol2INN2ds@agate.berkeley.edu> jwd@briones.ced.berkeley.edu (Jack Dahlgren ) writes:
>                                      Still, I think that a rectangular
>boxlike structure is the most efficient use of a plot of land.

Assuming that you have a rectangular plot of land which you wish to cover 
competely with a building. Well, OK, one can come up with other examples, but
you see my point.
-- 

david n stivers stiv@rice.edu

Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Architect
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:27:20 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Oct3.041738.24845@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
acampane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Angelo Campanella) writes:
>I like to think more like " do you have a graphic or a literal memory?"
>Comments?

Ever take a test on spatial relations?

A good read is The Mind's Eye by Tom West.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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  Scientific Programming
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Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Alternative construction methods.
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:18:04 GMT


In article <BvH4rD.6H3@rice.edu>, stiv@stat.rice.edu (david n stivers) writes:

[stuff deleted]
|> So does anyone else get the cold chills when they see today's modern
|> pathetically pretentious "Colonial" heap? You know, the ones with a bazillion 
|> square feet, aluminum frame windows (with taped on "window panes"), shiny brass
|> fixtures that look like they'll last about a year (if you can stand to look at 
|> them), and all the sense of aesthetic of a fresh cow turd?  Matches that gold 
|> trim Lexus nicely, though.   Brrrr.
|> 
Oh, come now. I find fresh cow turds possess a quintessential aesthetic,
at once earthy and natural, but yet very high tech, what with all those
pesticides and growth hormones. And how could you be so cruel to all of
those cultured Americans who put padded wall-to-wall carpeting right up
to their ye olde countrye bricke coloniale fireplace in their custom
garrison colonial raised ranch with its 1/8" flakeboard sheathing stapled
on to 2x4's, and its plastic snap-in muntins falling off the windows,
and the molded aluminum crossbuck storm door with the mega-death return
spring that tears free of its mounting, and its hollow doors that collapse
when you bump them with the vacuum cleaner, and its fire-accelerant
plastic clapboards, and that would burn so nicely, so hot, releasing all
sorts of toxic fumes... this gives you Cold Chills? 

Gosh, it makes me sweat (pant, pant).
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger)
Subject: Re: Why is green so popular?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.081952.43572@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> richard@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.222423.15583@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal) writes
>
>>Do architects really think this looks good?   Is it derived from
>>pressures from developers that feel they want an "old time" theme to
>>appeal to a perceived conservative, backward-looking mood in N.
>>America?   Does this green glass provide any energy-saving advantage?
>
>I think you hit it on the head.  Folks in North America want to recreate in
>their buildings a time when their part of the world wasn't in decline.  A
>sorority here at K.U. recently renovated their 1950s international-style house
>into a Georgian-revival nightmare.  The manager was quoted as saying "We wanted
>it to be more in keeping with the times."

	This example is similiar to a problem I am currently facing with
by BFA design thesis - I am renovated a public housing project built in 
1949 in what was then reffered to as modern styling. The problem is that
no one seems to like these Modern designs as a place to live. Everyone I 
have talked to wants to see pitched roofs, gables, etc. (Incidentally, the
buildings are no great masterpieces of the Modern period) 
	I strongly feel that architects should not design just for their 
own glory but for the people who will use what they create. At the same time
I would like to design something with some architectural credibility.
	Does anyone have any thoughts on this type of issue? How much should
architects respond to general public expectations?

  
>
>>Gord (do you think I`m nuts?).
>
>Nope.  I wish a few more folks thought about this stuff...
>-- 
>					--- Richard
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Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: jjgwynn@athena.mit.edu (Joel J Gwynn)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:48:29 GMT


|> "Mister X" is also available in an interactive (Macintosh) CD-ROM
|> version.  A sample is available in Nautilus Vol 2.1.  I've seen it
|> listed in one of the CD collections from someone like Educomp.
|> 
|> Indeed, worth checking out.
|> 
|> Steve


That sounds truly out of control.

The great thing about Mr. X is that he never sleeps.  It's a masterfully paranoid
piece of work.  

It takes the idea of architectural determinism to it's logical (twisted)
conclusion.  That is to say, most architects (I hope) believe that to some degree
or another, they can influence/control human behavior through their building  
The question is, just how much, and how, or is it just an ego thing?  In Mr.X,
this question has been solved in the form of a highly precise "psychetecture".
The question I come away with is, even if Mr.X's vision hadn't been ruined, would
we want it?  Should any one person have that much control over the deisgn of a
city?  Once again, the issue of accountability rears its ugly head.

Joel Gwynn

jjgwynn@mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: rwzobel@unity.ncsu.edu (Rick Zobel)
Subject: Re: Talk to me
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:50:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.210435.29135@athena.mit.edu> equitus@athena.mit.edu (Joseph M Knight) writes:
>
>I've just completed my thesis research/project for a second professional
>degree in architecture, dealing in large part with CAD for design purposes.
>I guess I'll share a little of what I discovered, though going into much
>detail will be difficult.
>
>CAD has made great progress in the Production of architectural documents: ie
>working drawings, specs, and presentations.  Computers are a great tool
>for communitcation (witness the 'net).  However, CAD as a tool to enhance
>"design activity" is woefully inadequate.  Progress is being made, though
>slowly, and after some false starts.  The biggest problem it seems is the
>inability to properly articulated exactly what it is we are doing when we
>are designing - therefore how can we expect a stupid machine to be able
>to anticipate and abet this activity?  (very pithy.  sorrry)  
>
>For more informtion, read stuff by Bill Mitchell, John Habraken, Donald
>Schon (at MIT) and look into a periodical called "Design REsearch" (or 
>could wait until my thesis hits the shelves here in another 9 months:-)

In addition to this, look up the past proceedings of ACADIA
(Association for Computer Aided Design in Architecture), as well
as the quarterly newsletter. For the past 11 years, the folks in
this association have been dealing with Design issues in
computing, both in education and professional applications. Also,
eCAADe (European version of ACADIA) and CAD Futures should
yield a wealth of information on this same topic. This past
weekend was the 11th ACADIA conference down in Charleston, SC.,
with papers being given from speakers around the world! In
general, an excellent conference, dealing with diverse topics
as the use of metaphors in design, object based modeling, 
component based modeling, shape grammars, current directions
in CAD in Japan, generative systems, information systems
for conceptual design phase, and much more...

Rick Zobel
NCSU School of Design
Architecture Department
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: bies@sctc.com (Marty Bies)
Subject: where to go?
Summary: where can I find help
Keywords: classes
Organization: SCTC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:56:01 GMT

I will be looking for a new house in 3-5 years.  I would like to design it
myself.  Where do I find classes aimed at somebody who just wants to build
a house that is more than a bunch rooms thrown together?  Or how do I learn
how to put my ideas on paper so I can take something to an architect?
What things should I look for when selecting an architect?

Thanks,

Marty
bies@sctc.com
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: University of Penn Masters program
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:15:14 GMT
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	Yes, I would like to get some information on University of
Pennsylvania's architecture program.

	That is the Masters Program.

	How difficult is it to get in there?
	What do most members beleive is important about architecture?
	And how competitive is the selection?

	
	I have for awhile had a strong desire to attend there program 
because it looks really decent and is close to home.

	I know there was one person on this board who is attending
that University.  

						-Zafar

Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Talk to me
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:23:35 GMT

How about a pithy exposition of what CAAD is and does for all us CAADless
folks out there?  I think I have an idea and I would like to know if there
is anything for the Macintosh platform that one could use.  I'm interested
in designing fountains.

				-- Marek

In article <1992Sep25.101348.24774@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
> Hi everyone,
>It seems that is everybody is a bit reluctant to begin talking in this group.
>Let's begin then with something, I am working in the CAAD area and would like
>to hear your opinions about CAAD generally.
>Are you satisfied with the available systems and where do you think more work
>should be done to make these systems more beneficial to architects?
>Do you like to see more enhanced graphics? More expert systems (& its relatives)
>What way should the development of systems for architecture goes? 
>Any good book you came accross recently on CAAD?
>
>Regards
>
>Ibrahim
>
>-- 
>*******************************************************************************
>* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE          *
>* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
>*******************************************************************************


Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: sleepless weeks
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:16:25 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.195132.28060@athena.mit.edu>, jjgwynn@athena.mit.edu (Joel J Gwynn) writes:
|> 
[stuff deleted]
|> 
|> 2)	WHAT in my post allows you to assume ANYTHING about my background, or my
|> interests.  For the record, I am a candidate for the degrgee of Master of
|> Architecture, MIT in the Spring of 1993.  
|> 
Aha! There's your problem! You should be at *Harvard*  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: acampane@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Angelo Campanella)
Subject: Re: Architect
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:17:38 GMT

I like to think more like " do you have a graphic or a literal memory?"

Some folks remember facts and names very well.

Others remember shapes and faces better than they do words and facts.
One might say they have a graphic memory.

I know that my meory is very strong for graphics.  Ihave always remembers faces
10 time better than I remember names.

An architect with a graphic memory will always be a good designer and creator.

An architect with a good memory for facts (figures or numbers are somethiong 
else; more like graphics) will probably be a better business man since he'll be
able to keep more clients happy than the 'designer' or graphical type..

Comments?
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Architectural aspirant
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:39:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Hello!

	Yes I am an architectural aspirant and was wondering if anybody
could send  or rather post a list of the best architectural GRADUATE
programs for NONARCHITECTURAL majors in the U.S.

							-Zafar
From: richard@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Why is green so popular?
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:19:52 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Oct3.222423.15583@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal) writes:
>So, for the last 10 years I`ve been wondering why many buildings have
>been built with green-tinted glass and faux-tarnished-copper siding?
>It seems shopping malls are particularly prone to this blight.   This
>at least is my observation in Canada.   Is this the same in other
>countries?

I could be wrong, but other countries -- even relatively poor ones -- seem to
be doing a better job.  In my (admittedly limited) travels in Europe I've seen
a generally higher level of taste in architecture.  Certainly more concern with
preserving historic structures, but also a desire to create new architecture
that reflects positively on our own time.

In a way, the green glass and fake copper are the least of our problems. In the
U.S., lots of fake Georgian buildings, and other disgusting throwbacks, are
being built.  Our own university recently built a Georgian-style alumni center. 
It makes me sick every time I go by.  The message of the building is clearly
that, when you enter, you're back on the old plantation.  Is that what we want
our buildings to say?

Residential architecture, in the U.S. at least, is a complete trash-heap. 
Whenever I'm in the suburbs I can't help wondering if we're creating any houses
at all that we'll love in 50 or 100 years, like we love the old buildings we
have now.

>Do architects really think this looks good?   Is it derived from
>pressures from developers that feel they want an "old time" theme to
>appeal to a perceived conservative, backward-looking mood in N.
>America?   Does this green glass provide any energy-saving advantage?

I think you hit it on the head.  Folks in North America want to recreate in
their buildings a time when their part of the world wasn't in decline.  A
sorority here at K.U. recently renovated their 1950s international-style house
into a Georgian-revival nightmare.  The manager was quoted as saying "We wanted
it to be more in keeping with the times."

>Gord (do you think I`m nuts?).

Nope.  I wish a few more folks thought about this stuff...
-- 
					--- Richard

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