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From: gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett)
Subject: Re: Removeable media
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:17:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.203859.9633@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>In article 20468@cunews.carleton.ca, gfrajkor@alfred.carleton.ca (George Frajkor) writes:
>>
>>    I own a Toad Computers Syquest drive, which I bought second hand
>>about two years ago and have no complaints about.  However, I am told
>>that Ricoh has a similar removeable-media drive that is
>>cartridge-incompatible with Syquest but is supposed to be more
>>reliable and faster and etc.   Similarly, I am told that Bernoulli
>>drives are far more sturdy and reliable.  And that they are all being
>>made obsolete by the new flopticals.
>>       In a short while (e.g. income tax rebate time) I will be in the
>>market for additional storage and was going to go for a Syquest, but
>>am now hesitating and considering the alternatives.
>>    Who's had enough experience with all of the above to comment
>>intelligently on the choices?  My computers are 1040ST, Mega2ST,
>>Mega4ST.  Nothing fancy on them. 
>
>
>I don't have any experience with the Ricoh mechanism, sorry.
>
>I've used 44Mb Syquest units for about five years now with no problems
>whatsoever.  In my experience, I have not found our Bernoulli equipped
>systems to be any faster or more reliable than the Syquest units.  Their
>physical structure should lead to more reliability, but that has not been
>borne out in my work experience.  If you really want to get a new drive,
>I'd consider the newer 88Mb Syquest mechs.  They are faster than the 44Mb
>units and can read (but not write) your existing 44Mb cartridges.  Some
>folks may also recommend the new floptical drives but few people would
>be happy with the speed of these units as their primary storage.  IMHO.
>---
>
>___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
>_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
>________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
>____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
>
>

The new Syquest drives (model 5110C) will read and write 44 meg drives,
although the writes to 44 meg cartidges will be 2x as slow.

Darren king, GBC --> gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hsp4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Haim S. Poretsky)
Subject: Re: FALCON is DEAD!
Reply-To: hsp4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Haim S. Poretsky)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:28:46 GMT

 Well, aactually, bad PC sales were the LEAST of IBM's problems (I should
know--I bought 75 shares at $79).  You also have to figure in restructuring
costs, the costs involved in shedding jobs (severance pay, replacement
assistance, etc.), bad (in the toilet) sales of Mainframes and Minicomputers
and on and on.  If PCs were IBM's only problem, it would be easy to solve.

However, we get to be insulated from all of this.  After all, we've never
seen Atari lose first place as maker of computers.  We've also never seen
Atari's "blue chip" stock jump off a bridge.  However, I must admit, IBM's
stock chart (from 156 to 48 in 5 years) is slightly reminiscent of good
'old ATC... :-)
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:52:34 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan21.134717.9283@email.tuwien.ac.at>

Marinos Yannikos writes:

>: With new products, new software, new applications, new information,
>: there wouldn't be any need for an "advocacy" group..

>Oh come on Bob, do you really think that this would increase the 
>percentage of INFORMATIVE postings in this newsgroup? This discussion
>has been going on for SO LONG, it's leading nowhere! If you don't like
>Atari Corp., and if you think we have to pay for that, please do some
>people a favour and buy a PC and then start whining in comp.sys.ibmpc
>about your "Atari trauma"...


Surprise, Marinos..!!

I own 2 1/2 PCs already, and I still use my 520 ST more than all of them
put together!  (Guess you don't read so good, eh..?  There are remedial
classes available to help with that...)
 
My point is that if Atari Corp would finally do something (after YEARS of
doing virtually NOTHING), we'd all have plenty to talk about without
having to resort to flame wars just to have something to fill the void.
 
Read a few PC or Mac newsgroups to see how HAPPY computer owners discuss
everything from games to desktop publishing, to programming, to graphics,
and all with very little reference to "Real Soon Now", or "Someday when
XXXX is released"...
 
Wouldn't it be great if the Atari newsgroups had more games to talk about
than you could take time to read..?  Enough that we'd have to create a
new newsgroup just to handle them..?    Or if there were enough people
programming the Atari on a professional or semi-professional level that
we needed several new newsgroups just to handle the traffic..?
 
Like I said.. we don't need a new newsgroup to handle all the Atari flames..
what we need is for Atari Corp to DO SOMETHING...

BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: Last time on this one
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:30:30 GMT

craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:
: In <1993Jan19.113745.14677@email.tuwien.ac.at>, Marinos Yannikos writes:
: 
: >I don't know about the USA, but here in Austria, you can't buy a PC without
: >DOS! (if you buy a complete system)
: 
: here you can, I don't know about off the main shops, but you can definetly 
: get one without dos... what about all those people that are buying themselves
: a new machine (PC owners upgrading more than just the motherboard) that
: already own it? 

Normally, you just get it 'bundled' with the PC, so I don't think anyone really
knows (or cares) that it's a 3rd party product, not part of the OS! The dealers
themselves probably don't care about that either!

-MY
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: ADVOCACY: (was Re: Falcon)
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:10:12 EST

In <1993Jan21.142427.3114@aber.ac.uk>, Herbert Martin Sauro writes:
> This months UK Atari User has a two page spread by Atari, advertising 
> the Falcon and ST Applications are hoping to have a reivew of the 
> Falcon next month.

Who's going to see it other than current Atari users?

Atari needs to put a two-page spread into BYTE or MacWorld/MacUser (I've
seen adds from _IBM_ [not cloners] about multimedia systems in the Mac
magazines) or something.  With the dwindling numbers of current Atari
users, the Falcon is going to FLOP if we're the only ones that know
about it.

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cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csg022@cch.coventry.ac.uk (PROC)
Subject: Re: Amiga Rules
Keywords: falcon
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:16:44 GMT

In article <C15Fp5.K5z@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> odonneln@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Nicholas Odonnell) writes:

>All you Atari owners should dump 'em and buy an Amiga 1200 today.
>Nick.

I know I should have let this go straight in a KILL file but....

Don't you think Amigas will be next for the dustbin?
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From: abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Falcon - Why I'm buying it...
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:00:24 GMT
	<H.ea.tXN2MjUkQNk@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 21 Jan 93 22:16:36 GMT, cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) said:

> I guess you didn't try using one of the nice 16-bit colour modes, eh? 
> Howard Chu (You know, great ST developer type?  Ports GNU C for fun?)
> reported that the system ran about 50% of normal speed in the
> large/many-coloured modes.

But are you going to be running a text editor in 16 bit colour? Personally I'd
be happy with a high resolution 16 color display for most of my work (hopefully
one of the same quality I get on my SM124), and the higher colour modes for
games/art work.

Kev
From: ee90grb@brunel.ac.uk (Gareth R Blades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MiNT Distribution kit problem
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:13:00 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


 I am having a problem with the mint distribution kit.
 
 I have got the INIT=/bin/sh line in mint.cnf and it start up sh OK.
 The problem is that it does not seem to run the /etc/profile script.
 Also if I type tcsh the login.csh also does not seem to run.
 Can anyone help?
 
 
 P.S I have an ICD host adaptor and when I installed the MinixFS file system
 whenever I was instructed to reset the computer I switched off the computer
 and hard drive. Reseting this way seemed to cause no problems whatsoever
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Gareth Blades
 
 ee90grb@brunel.ac.uk
From: mfallero@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NEWSFLASH : FALCON RELEASED
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:24:19 MST

In article <H.ea.YZtPiGGixIg@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>, cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:
> In <1993Jan22.134501.594@doc.bmd.trw.com>, mfallero@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
>>   I'll tell President Clinton to stop the bombing because you want
>> to buy a new computer.  I'm sure he'll see that your new Falcon is
>> much more important that forcing Saddam to comply with the treaty
>> Iraq signed at the end of Desert Storm.
> 
> Well, given the state of the US economy (and ours, courtesy of Free
> Trade), it might not be such a bad idea...  Stimulating sales of
> _something_ should be more important than playing, "We'll bomb you at
> will!  We are POWERFUL!  Bwa-ha-ha..."
> 
> Hmm, maybe this should be in alt.fan.desert-storm or whatever...
> -- 
> -------------------========================================-------------------
> Chris Herborth
> cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
 
  Hmm, maybe this should be in alt.hate.USA...

Mark Falleroni


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: AEO issue 2, part 2
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:52:28 GMT


I got AEO issue 2 yesterday, but only the first part. Where can I
"complain", I'm too afraid to mail to stmagazine@whatever :). I
already edited the headers away, so I can't get the posters address..
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hitt@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Hitt)
Subject: installed base (was Re: ADVOCACY: (was Re: Falcon))
Summary: what is the installed Atari base? st base?
Keywords: installed base, numbers of atari users
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:18:43 GMT

Chris writes:

> With the dwindling numbers of current Atari
> users, the Falcon is going to FLOP if we're the only ones that know
> about it.

Just what is the (approximate) installed base of Ataris and about
how many people are using them?  (Surely this can't be an FAQ.)

(BTW, if the sound on the Falcon is as good as the claims made for it,
it should have a natural market among audiophiles.)

dan
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Equinox Networks (Public access), Node: Yonder
Subject: Re: an atari IBM
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:35:52 +1200

In <1993Jan20.011911.4724@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>, Barry Lightbody writes:

>He has the feel of the IBM keyboard, which required some eprom burning
> by the way, fan cooled, and has plenty of space for expantion.
>
>If any one is interested I will get details from him and post it to the group

I'd be interested in seeing the details of how to connect the keyboard
 posted to this group.

 Craig.

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From: mapmh@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Mark Hagger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON is DEAD!
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:51:51 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

>Listen, pal, I know exactly what's going on at IBM.  The pc business is 
[deletions]
>However, IBM has realized that the mainframe market
>is dwindling and
 [deleted] 
Curious one that, maybe someone should tell Cray Research and the
numerous other mainframe manufacturers plus the dozens of big 
firms who regularly solve massive problems on mainframes that this is
happening so that they can go solve their problems on micros.

>Anyway, what does this have to do with Atari?  Absolutely nothing.
Atari have recently announced the launching of the Atari MF, this will
apparently be a multi processor mainframe system capable of nearly 15
GFlops and will retail at around 15 million US dollars.  An
unconfirmed report suggests the machine is in fact a large box with
4000 Atari ST's in it, this was denied by a spokesman, but he did
mention that attempts to open the 'box' would result in all the
contents melting down into a pile of plastic and silicon.

Mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wwc@vsnhda.cern.ch (Wolfgang Wander)
Subject: Re: STalker vs Uniterm?
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:24:21 GMT

In article <4084@isgtec.isgtec.com> ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman) writes:
>I tried Connect over the weekend, but 90% of it is in German, and I
>wrestled with it for a half hour trying to get it to use a smaller font
>so that I could see 24x80, but gave up. It has so many extra status lines
>and menu bars that the font would have to be pretty small. It also was
>*surprise* too slow IMO. Might be very nice in TT high though. :)

It is indeed even without GDOS possible to install GDOS fonts using CoNnect.
Just put a folder named GEMSYS in the CoNnect-folder and place there all
the GDOS fonts you want to use. In the display dialogue you ca then select
one of theese fonts. Included in the archive there is a font
named CONNECT.FNT which is not to small to work with but you can see 24x80
on the window.As CoNnect is completly based on GEM you probably will
need a screen accelerator like NVDI or WARP9 to work on a normal 8MHz
ST. But CoNnect uses a lot of optimisations in output that you can surely
call it one of the fastest GEM-based Comms-Programs on the ST. And CoNnect
iss the only one, that passes the vttest (Test for vt100/vt102 Compatibility)
programme completly.

And! For registered users there will be an english manual (more than
100 pages) available in about 2 months. (better English than my one ;)



      Wolfgang
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: minix (was Re: Any caveats?)
	<1jga18INNioi@nanette.sto.pdb.sni.de>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:30:10 EST

In <1jga18INNioi@nanette.sto.pdb.sni.de>, Dr.Savory writes:
> Put MINIX on your ST. Then you can play at UNIX (aka LINUX) without
> having to buy an intel chip.

Is the ST version of Minix limited the same way the PC version is?  It's
stuck with a max size of 64k for executables (bleh!)...

Minix is a cool thing...  You get a unix-like OS (pretty damn close!)
with full source code and whatnot, for about $100 (if memory serves).

[Not quite $0 like linux, doesn't have X, but runs on an 8Mhz 68000...]
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cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
From: mcsdc1ph@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: STe abilities exploitation list!
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:17:51 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


Hallo.

I'm a proud STe owner, and I thought it would be a good idea if everyone
could contribute towards a list of games that use the STe's mega abilites!

Unfortunately, I don't know any, so how about we just start one, eh?

Oh!  Hang on, I do know one game that use the STE abilities, ROBOCOP III.

Right, everyone else take over!

Incidentally, the reason for this plea, is simply because I wish to know of
more games that I can show off to the stinking Amobea owners!!!!!!

Thanks!

Feekzoid
From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: RE: PC Bigotry
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:57:54

John Hoffman wrote in a message on 19 Jan 93 to All

 JH> I must say that I am astonished at the number of posts that 
 JH> are in the comp.sys.atari.st newsgroup which are posted by 
 JH> PC users trying to convince users of Atari computers that they 
 JH> should get rid of there Ataris and buy PC clones. This actually 

Most of these are still Atari owners (I do not have a PC) who are utterly
disgusted at what Atari has done to their computer. The original ST was
unsurpassed in price and performance, and held the promise of a very
bright future. By now, a lot of us are totally disillusioned, and are
pointing out that the Falcon is not a computer that fits the "Power
without the price" motto.

 JH> What are some of the unique strengths of the ST? It is the 
 JH> only system that can provide reasonable emulation of both IBM 
 JH> systems and Macintosh systems. It has a very dynamic software 

Which is totally irrelevant by now. When the Mac Plus cost as much a small
car, Spectre was a really good buy. Now, you can get a second-hand SE with
harddisk for the price of Spectre. And besides, Spectre has become
obsolete itself; no color, no System 7, no TT support... And the story of
PC prices is well documented in this newsgroup.

 JH> environment that isn't totally dominated by a small collection 
 JH> of Megapowerful software houses. It is possible for a developer 
 JH> to write software for the atari and become a star in the atari 
 JH> comunity.

So what? A star does not a full belly make. The reason there is virtually
no new software for the ST, is that you can't make any money. At the end
of the month, somebody's got to pay the bills. And being a star in the
Atari community is no substiture for hard cash.

 JH> The markets on other computer systems are considerably 
 JH> more saturated. Seems to me that someone wanting to break into 
 JH> software development wouldn't have made a bad choice starting 
 JH> with a system like atari and then moving up to a PC after the 
 
Why waste time on programming the Atari? Move to where the money is right
away.


YHS:QSI!
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Incompatibility FAQ
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:11:19 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

With recent net discussions about software incompatibilities with new Atari
hardware perhaps we should have a technical section in the FAQ which points
out the things one should avoid. Not that I think that every commercial
software developer reads News but at least it would help the ST net community.

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From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC VS ST
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:24:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Reply-To: dmb@ai.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <93024.215308SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>And what exactly disqualifies the DSP as a general purpose computer?

It's optimized for a fairly restricted set of operations, that's all.
Yes, it's Turing-equivalent, but that doesn't mean the constant factors
are small.  :)  The point is that while you can do "general purpose"
things on a DSP, you're probably better off doing those things on a CPU
that is optimized for "general purpose" things.  In other words, don't
use your DSP coprocessor for your B-Tree algorithms; your 68030 will
run them faster.

The other issue is, of course, I/O.  The DSP is clearly a big loser for
general purpose I/O (e.g., files and screen RAM) when compared to the
CPU on the motherboard.

>It's going to be a good year for computers.  I'd advise anyone ready to
>upgrade to wait and see what everyone releases this year...

Isn't this always the case?  That's what I love about this industry...

Dave Baggett
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: Why Atari can't succeed in the United States
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:22:46 GMT


Jon,

I don't understand.  Could you please explain your reasoning behind
your statement that the Lynx puts Atari on firm financial ground?

Perhaps you haven't heard that Toy R Us has dropped the Lynx?
Maybe you didn't know that Toys R Us was Atari's biggest purchaser
of the Lynx?  Toys R Us has over 35 percent of the toy market; the
toy market is a multi-million, if not billion, dollar a year
product market.  And Atari lost this major business account.

Because  Toys R Us dropped the Lynx, their competitors don't have to 
carry the Lynx any mor; and this is exactly what is happening.
Babbages, Eletronic Boutique, Kay Bee Toys, etc, have cut back or
stopped handling the Lynx.

                   Pattie Rayl

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: Falcon, Falcon who has got a Falcon
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:27:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.162113.13989@bsu-ucs> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>
>can someone make a list of typical sorts of programs that would be really
>"memory-intensive" so as to really suffer from this 16-bit memory bus?
>
>				-Matt

Programs that should be using the blitter, but don't.
Eg. copying areas of memory, drawing sprites, scrolling in a window, etc.
(The blitter has 32-bit access and is faster at doing this sort of thing
anyway).

- Leo