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From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:20:37 GMT

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>So what could we do with "Parkinson" and "Ouzts" 
>(pronounced "oots")?

Parkinoots? :-)

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to our friend Rob Bernardo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:45:58 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Oct4.033823.6660@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>>>>>the now aging, but never-surpassed performance
>>>>>of Elgar's Cello Concerto by du Pre'.
>>>>which never fails to leave me in a profoundly elegaric mood.
>>>>Well, jeff, I suspect neither of them were in to gastropods although 
>>>>certain Helicidae accompanied with much butter, garlic and heat were 
>>>>very likely into them.
>>>Sounds more like an elegarlic mood.
>>Oi!  That makes me feel allium choked up.

>Speaking of gastronomy, have I ever served you that meal for 40 guests,
>_Spam in Allium_?

No...but I'd love to participate as long as you are liberal with the 
laurel so it will be a hardy meal.

Colburn Eigen                         H|u> = E|u>
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Date: 1 Oct 1992 15:36:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: Astrology, bear shit

In article <1992Oct1.214648.15318@gordian.com> 
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>  Hmm, I find it quite amusing. Actually I have a standard response
> for "what do you do?": "A computer nerd". Usually I get the response
> "Oh no, your not a nerd" to which I usually say "Trust me, I'm a nerd".

*Trust* him about this.

> I'm not certain why I find this amusing, but it probably has to do with
> screwing with peoples stereotypes/expectations.

Ha-ha!  

Arne (how about if I sing There's No Business Like Show Business
and throw in a few coochie-coochies?)
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: No on 9 rally, Portland, OR
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:21:42 GMT
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Oct4.235403.3393@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>There were 10,000 people there, and while people were angry, there was
>an overwhelming sense of optimism about our chances in the election.
>It's hard to feel scared and alone when you're surrounded by that many
>people who agree with you.

It stands as the largest gathering in the history of Pioneer Courthouse
Square, which is, as ex-Govenor Goldschmitd pointed out, Portland's
living room.  Today it was filled with family and it felt good.

>Some highlights: 

Plus Bob Hattoy reading a powerful message from Bill Clinton denouncing
Measure 9 and urging all Oregonians to vote against it.  Plus lots
of others.  My mind draws a blank on names and words, I mostly floated
on the wave.

>ObFun: I read somewhere once that it was considered tacky to cruise at
>polticail functions. Why? That's silly..

Not tacky at all.  However, I only got three phone numbers and two
dinner dates.  :-(  Of course, it could be that Doug having his arms
around me for most of the rally scared a few away.  ;-)

ObMotssPolitical: near the end, the campaign did the pass-the-hat trick
and I would tend to guess that they did *quite* well.  Given that there
were over 10,000 people and that almost everyone around me (main step area)
was giving $20's, I would estimate that the campaign may have done in the
$150,000 - $200,000 range from the rally.  Given that the high-priced dinner
the night before only did $60,000 and cost much more to put on ...
I did enjoy the dinner, but we didn't have any sing-alongs as
we did at the rally.

ObMottsP^2: Our police commissioner made the front page of the NY Times
today (so they said).  Donna Redwing, local activist, was named the
Advocate Woman of the Year.  It seems to be Oregon's year.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: WILSON *VETOES* Comprehensive Civil Rights Bill AB3825
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:42:28 GMT

ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:

>> There WAS a Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1992 that WAS a full civil rights
>> bill for Queers [as well as disabled, women, race, religion, etc] and Wilson
>> vetoed it today...

>What civil rights are lacking based on race and religion?  Why was a
>Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1992 needed for any of the above groups
>other than Queers?

It strengthened enforcement and raised caps on damages that could be awarded
in some cases of discrimination, and added the text of AB-101 into California
law [if signed by Pete the Dickless Wonder].
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I don't think 'so called' dirty books inspire anyone to commit any crime
more serious than masturbation" -- William Burroughs, author of _Naked Lunch_
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:26:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43496
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Oct01.032452.27427@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
>
>Oh, wait, you mean George MADISON.  I think it must be his
>excess of hair.  The poor chap just needs a waxing and a good
>haircut and a shave.

Now George (Madison, that is), don't break Oregon on your way to
Seattle.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Paul Jabara
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:43:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct4.164338.17317
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct2.184922.2547@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg 
Parkinson) writes:
>
>From The New York Times, Friday, October 2, 1992
>--------------------
>
>Paul Jabara, a songwriter, singer and actor who won
>an Academy Award in 1979 for writing the disco hit
>"Last Dance," died on Tuesday at his home in Los
>Angeles.  He was 44 years old.
>
>He died after a long illness, a spokesman for 
>Kaleidoscope Films said.

From an unnamed "long illness", eh?  Please, keep us guessing. 

This kind of stuff makes me mad. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Date: 4 Oct 1992 00:27:58 -0400
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

Gee, nobody noticed by quote in Unix ...uhhh, Open Systems Today.

<frown>

Tom
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:10:40 GMT
Summary: infrequent

In article <1992Oct1.144729.21445@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct1.125202.14728@linus.mitre.org>
> jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C.  Lander) writes:
> 
> >(Although, in fact, Penzance is a town, not a ship.)
> 
> Well whaddaya know!  I always thought penzance was
> what the priest wanted you to get down on your knees
> and do, if you'd been naughty.

A rite not unknown to Anglicans, though perhaps less in
vogue than it may have been formerly.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Keywords: Astrology, bear shit
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.181458.9229@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> >MOTSS Relevance? In my single days, telling men about my profession
> >(astronomy) was always a conversation starter. Often my interest fizzled
> >when they replied, "Oh, I just adore astronomy. What's your sign?"
> 
> 	I *hate* telling people my profession.  If it isn't that
> it's the "instant meganerd alert" like with that career I couldn't
> *possibly* be interesting.  Most fo the time I tell people "I
> do a lot of owrk with computers" which is marginally true and
> tends to keep people around for 15 seconds longer...

  Hmm, I find it quite amusing. Actually I have a standard response
for "what do you do?": "A computer nerd". Usually I get the response
"Oh no, your not a nerd" to which I usually say "Trust me, I'm a nerd".
I'm not certain why I find this amusing, but it probably has to do with
screwing with peoples stereotypes/expectations.
  (Now, if they're really persistant I start talking about the virtual
   reality of Usenet which usually prompts an order for another cocktail
   or a visit to the bathroom on the victim's part...)
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: evil twins
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:25:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Sep29.182516.21150
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <72884@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a
flying squirrel) writes:

>FJ!! writes:

>>John, why do you think our squirrel-friend, girl-friend,
>>round-the-world-friend thinks we are twins?

>Because you *are*.  Either you are the Economy Size JD, or
>JD is the Travel Size FJ!!.  When I first met you, I
>initially thought someone had put poor JD on a rack and
>stretched him (not that he wouldn't like that).  Besides,
>your accent is almost as cornfed midwestern as JD's, which
>is delicious.

My, they *do* sound like such a yummy pair!

>You'd both make an interesting pair of houseboys.  I think
>Jess can have you in the winter (to stay warm), and I'll
>take you in the summer (to stay warm; this IS San Francisco,
>after all).

You know, my dear Richard, of all the many positive
qualities that stood out (pour ainsi dire) when I first
encountered you (which, as you recall, was in that notorious
Hotel Tonic Des Halles where Frederic and I had our
love-nest and we first sipped Suze together), by far the
most prominent was your intelligence.  And here it is, once
again confirmed for all the world to see.  The splendid
temperament with which you propose to divvy up the
diversions (I hope for them as well as for us) is a model
all good people can aspire to.  What largesse (zut!), what
grandeur (zut zut), what je sais quoi!

Please sir, the winters here being rather chilly, may I have
them both, do you think?  As an added inducement to them, I
might point out that I am a *divine* (if immodest) cook, and
I know growing boys always like to eat.  The little matter
of their studies I'm sure we can work out -- after all, I
ain't in the networks group for nothin'!

This could be *such* fun!

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:47:51 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> >and since I'm not 
> >particularly fond of cilantro, most varieties of pesto are out.
> 
> They put _cilantro_ in pesto in Los Angeles?  Ick.

  Quick reality check... Nope. Still made with basil the last I heard.

-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.150709.11303@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> The dialog is between Bob Donahue and Michael A. Thomas.  They are
> discussing fashion and/or beauty.  At least, I think that Bob is
> discussing the difference between fashion and beauty.  I understand
> his viewpoint.  I'm not sure whether Michael makes the distinction
> or not; in any case, Michael seems to find fashion very appealing:

  Actually, I question the necessity for drawing this dichotomy. My
own personal preference is not necessarily pro-fashion (in fact,
those who know me would probably be amused to hear that :-). The
necessity of making a distinction between the two seems a false one. 
We are composed of both our internal self and our external self. We 
have some degree of control over the external one and what we project
to the world is not neutral -- it does say something about the owner,
though it may be *very* difficult to determine exactly what that
may be.
  Trying to seperate the internal from the external seems, to me, a
rather pointless task. Saying that only the internal matters is
not only pointless, it completely dismisses human nature which I
find ludicrous. It was Bob's dismisal of fashion (which has many
implications on other things art) that I took exception too.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:54:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <66807@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep29.131714.12210@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

Ry Schwark whines piteously:
>Oh george, you poor dear.  Life would be so much easier for you if you
>only had a sense of humor.

Oh, I do.  But it only activates when there's something *funny* 
for it to operate on.  You're just pathetic; not quite the same
thing, you know.
 
() A man asked God how much a million dollars was to Him.
() "About a penny." The man asked how long a million years
() was to Him. "About a second." The man asked if God could
() give him a penny. "Yeah...just a second..."
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: serranrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J Serrano)
Subject: Re: Faggots
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:36:43 GMT

Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep25.123321.6773@resonex.com> michael@resonex.com  
(Michael Bryan) writes:
[Stuff deleted]
> I hope I never have the displeasure of actually meeting Mr Schlafly.
> It's frightening that a gay man can actually say (and presumably  
believe)
> that things have *improved* for GLBO because of the Republican  
leadership
> of the last 12 years...
> 

  You just aren't looking at the whole thing in the right light.  John  
isn't *really* a gay man, he's really the stealth-queen, specially  
designed to undermine the grievances most gay folk have against the  
Republican party.  You know "1000 furry guys" and "Read my lips" and all  
that garbage. :-)

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if tomorrow, old Phyllis came right out and  
said that she has a thing for farm animals.  Maybe then James Baker can  
admit he likes little girls and then, to top it all off, Barbara Bush will  
tell the whole world that she man named Myron who worked at a biker-bar in  
Indiana, before meeting George.  [major :-)]

Then, to win over the Religious folks who can't stand the fundies (there  
really are a lot of them).  Marylin Quayle will admit to the world that  
she was a virgin when she started poppin' out rugrats and givin' up her  
law career (would it surprise you if she was a virgin?).  Then, Dan Quayle  
will start screaming that he's actually a woman trapped in a man's body,  
and the whole election will be sowed up. :-)

Hey, the way the 'publicans have been going so far this year, it wouldn't  
surprise me _one bit_.  As a female stand-up comic likes to say
	"It could happen."


> -- 
> Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
> "Lovers are like... dentures.  You don't want them in your     |

No, please stop.  You make me feel so left out, being as how I'm in Terre  
Haute, where the only sexual activity comes about if you own either a  
Harley or a Monster Truck, and I'm still below the drinking age, so I  
can't even _go into_ the town's one [gay] bar.  As for the dentures, I've  
never had 'em (God, I hope I never need 'em).

My life, 'tis a wonder I'm still 
sane after all these years.

Rob, who's sorry he hasn't been formally introduced to the group, but just  
couldn't keep quite any longer.  Oh, well, maybe some other time.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:11:54 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	Beauty is internal, not external.  Fashion is
>a way for people to make money off of other people's insecurities.

Let's not go overboard. Any kind of clothing is fashion; Have you never
worn something because you like the way it looks, or the way it looks
on you? I used to think fashion was dumb, but it can feel really nice
to wear something that shows you've made an effort to keep up on the
times (and besides, Madonna's been on the covers of Vogue and Vanity
Fair lately, so I had to buy them and I think it's triggered my dormant
ladyclothing gene). I don't intend this to be an insult to the t-shirt
and jeans types, since that's the kind of guy I am most of the time,
but just because you like to put forth a certain stylish image doesn't
mean you're being looksist and dronelike. Fashion is just another way of
making a statement, and it's not fair to rag on people who like to use
that kind of talk.

>	You don't *need* to wax to look good, sexy, interesting, etc.

But what if you waxed a checkerboard pattern onto your back? *I* think
that'd be pretty *interesting*...

>BBC, beautiful, sexy,
>cuddly, unwaxed, not
>blonde, not thin, and
>without designer clothes,
>tanning salons, designer
>hair care products (unless
>Head and Shoulders counts :-),
>Soloflex, etc.

And perfectly darling in spite of it all!!!

Smileys unneccessary I should hope,

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Ry Schwark Bytes!
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:03:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.223227.16405@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>My, my.  I saw that headline on the cover, and about laughed myself silly.
>If you actually _opened_ it, you're a more curious queer than I.
>
>(What're you doing hiding in such a ridiculous article, Ry?)

Have pity, that's what I'm paid to do.

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Faggots
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:35:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


And the Queer without a Clue, too!  Have you made you movie with
Donna Who yet?  Remember, do it in stteeerrrrrrrreeeoooooooo...

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon):
>> To *die* for.  They are all to *die* for...

>"jump!  JUMP!"

How high, snookums?  How high?

Melmothra, ACC
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: on Cinemax in October
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <SCOTTS.92Sep28103109@MORPHEUS.CIMDS.RI.CMU.EDU>,
scotts@CS.CMU.EDU (Scott Safier) writes:
> There are two good movies on Cinemax in October (for those with cable
> or access to it).  Both are gay related.
> 
> POISON -- Three tales by avante garde French writer Jean Genet are
> reproduced.

Is this Todd Haynes' _Poison_?
If so, it's three original tales,
one of which is very similar in style
to Genet's film _Un Chant D'Amour_.

_Poison_'s an excellent film.  I've seen it twice.

Has anyone here (soc.motss) seen Tom Kalin's _Swoon_,
which just opened in London?
A still of Todd Haynes' profile appeared in it for a few seconds.

[Names and spellings are from volatile memory, and may be unreliable.]
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*nun* n. a tussock moth (_Psiluria monacha_), a pest in pine forests"
-- Chambers English Dictionary
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Another view from Oregon
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:51:25 GMT


I'd like to thank Brent for his 'Redemption' posting; Nelson's anxiety
has also been on my mind.

I was on the doing phone voter ID for the effort against measure 9
when it hit me.  The other people in the room were curious about the
places they were calling, not being in Portland long.  I was getting
many more 'yes' responses to 9 than the other two were - about half in
my list.  This gets you down - part of the script is to reaffirm what
they person is saying: 'so you know by voting yes on 9 you will be
removing rights from homosexuals'; and when the response is 'yes -
they should have no rights' it hammers on my soul.

The discussion of neighborhoods made me notice where I was calling,
and it was the town where I grew up.  I looked at the street name and
house numbers, and realized that I had ridden my bicycle down that
street many times as a young child.

I felt like I had gone back to my childhood home, only to find that I
grew up walking around in sewage.  Half the people in the town where I
grew up hate me just for existing, and are fully prepared to end my
existence.

It's been a long time since I've felt this bad.

                       *          *          *

If there is a moral in this, it's don't let it get this far in your
state.  I believe that this measure should never have gotten on the
ballot.  Damage is already done - hate crimes have increased, two
people have lost their lives in Salem, and the wounds from this
measure will not quickly go away, whatever the outcome of the vote.

The leader of the OCA has repeatedly said that their effort in Oregon
is just part of a national campaign, and while this may be bluster, I
can't advise anybody to ignore it.


Rick

rickc@agora.rain.com