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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Flash! A1200 pricing
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: A1200 price release
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 06:35:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.003324.10684@medsys.rn.com> wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus) writes:
>Have no idea of the accuracy, but an un-named (large retail chain) source
>just told me that they'd have A1200's for $599 and $799 sometime before
>Christmas. The $799 price is for an A1200HD version, but he didn't say
>what size the drive would be. Heck, didn't the A500 start out selling at
>about that price?

It looks like C= is sticking with the old formula for success: get an 
inexpensive low-end machine out there so that millions sell and games 
software is written while at the same time offer a high-end machine
for more serious use and for people who want power AND games.  And it
will probably work again.
 

>
>The only thing the A1200 and 4000 need now in my opinion is 31.5Khz or
>greater video rates! I've been on a quest to find other (non-1950/60)
>multiscan monitors that sync that low and have come up dry. I feel that
>it's an absolute must that something be done about this soon. Whoever
>is OEM'ing the 1960 is bound to change models to one that doesn't support
>15.57Khz and where will we be then? Commodore better either solve the 
>problem soon or buy up a large warehouse of 1960's. 


Arn't people going to be able to use VGA monitors with the 1200?  Sure
the multisync gives you more modes but not everyone is going to care...
just as many 500 owners now are satisfied with their RGB monitors.  It
seems to me that C= would want to sell VGAs with the 1200.  I've seen
many of the AGA modes and many of them look alike.  Maybe I'm missing
something but I thought a VGA monitor was going to work with the AGA in
some of the modes. 

It hardly makes sense to market a CPU that requires a monitor which costs
as much as the CPU does.


                                   NCW


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths)
Subject: Babylon V
Summary: Babylon V stations...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:07:52 GMT


From the Babylon V FAQ (mail me if you want the entire thing).

----
8. Which TV stations will air Babylon 5?

     A number of new TV stations have been added to the list of those
who have agreed to carry BABYLON 5, starting with the 2-hour move slated
to air in February, 1993.  The current, revised list follows:

     NEW YORK:WWOR, LOS ANGELES:KCOP, CHICAGO:WPWR, PHILADELPHIA:WPHL,
SAN FRANCISCO:KBHK, BOSTON:WSBK, WASHINGTON DC:WDCA, DALLAS:KTXA,
DETROIT:WXON, HOUSTON:KTXH, ATLANTA:WATL, CLEVELAND:WUAB,
SEATTLE:KSTW,
TAMPA:WTOG, MINNEAPOLIS:KMSP, MIAMI:WDZL, ST. LOUIS:KPLR,
SACRAMENTO:KRBK, PHOENIX:KUTP, DENVER:KDVR, BALTIMORE:WNUV,
HARTFORD:WTXX, ORLANDO:WOFL, SAN DIEGO:XETV, INDIANAPOLIS:WTTV,
PORTLAND OR:KPTV, MILWAUKEE:WVTY.

     CINCINNATI:WSTR, KANSAS CITY:KSMO, RALEIGH:WLFL,
GRN-SPR-ASH:WHNS,
NORFOLK:WGNT, SAN ANTONIO:KABB, OAKLAHOMA CITY:KOOB, HARARISBURG:WPMT,
W. PALM BEACH:WTVX, SYRACUSE:WSYT, ROANOKE:WJPR, DES MOINES:KDSM,
PORTLAND ME:WPXT, SPOKANE:KAYU, BATON ROUGE:WGMB, WACO:KWKT,
SANTA BARBARA:KADY, MONTEREY:KCBA, AUGUSTA:WFXG, LAFAYETTE LA:KADN,
COLUMBUS GA:WXTX, YAKIMA:KCY, ODESSA:KPFJ.
---

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:14:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>]> >	I agree Skip, that 486 is probably going to cost what the A4000
'>]> >   does without a monitor.  But, that 486 is also going to have a much
'>]> >   larger HD, more ram, and a monitor.
'>]> 
'>]> Larger HD yes, maybe 2M more RAM.  As for the monitor, I'd like to see
'>
'>You also missed a point... while the 486 will have larger HD/ more mem, those
'>resources are REQUIRED to run OS2 or WindersNT (if it exists) or whatever.
'>These are hidden costs, of course, but if you lose 20 mb of drive space and
'>a meg or 2 of RAM to support a multitasking GUI environment, what have you
'>gained?

	I don't really think its much of an issue really.  The 486 I was 
   thinking of has a 340meg HD, so whats 20 meg for the OS.  

 							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


>Jeff Grimmett [SuperBitMap BBS]          * fido!1:202/1401.0 [619-460-7290]
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Monitor for the 1200
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:03:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>HAM8 can be done in all the dozzen or so modes.  The big disadvantage of
'>the 1084 is that in high-res modes, the display will have to be interlaced
'>and you'll have the ol' Amiga flicker.  I think another viable option will
'>be a VGA monitor.  You don't get all the modes with it but (I think) it
'>will at least give you a high-res mode without interlace.  I don't know
'>all the pros and cons of VGA monitors.  Some do interlace for the higher
'>resolution of 724X1024 or whatever it is.  Could someone comment on VGA
'>with AGA? ...or XVGA and AGA?  All those cheap VGA monitors out there
'>look interesting.   
'>                                     NCW

	I have an even more specific question.  If I get an A1200 ( or the mid
   range AGA Amiga that hopefully CBM will release ), can I use my Sony 1304
   monitor that is currently hooked up to my 486, with it?  Ultimately, I'd
   like to have some kind of A/B switch box arrangement so I can use my  
   monitor with both computers. 

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Upsurge in CD-I ads
Keywords: Here we go again
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:38:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

cyclone writes:
> Seems pretty clear to me - CD-I players are exceptional educational tools. 
                       !!!! BIG CLUE ALERT !!!!
Let me tell you about a little secret that is absolutely free. It is called
your local library. Guess what, the books inside are free to take home and
read. They do not cost $40+ per title.

> I'd bet a large percentage of Lifetime and Discovery watchers are parents of
> young kids.  Or, at least for Discovery, people interested in technology, who
> would also be likely CD-I candidates.

Many of these same people already own a "home computer." Some of these
computer owners already have a CD-ROM player. Amiga owners are the
exception but with CDTV you can turn it into a "home" computer. So why
buy something to do what your home computer can do for less money. Price
any multimedia upgrade kits lately? They are cheaper...
 
> I'd rather have my kids working with CD-I than watching "Teenage Mutant Ninja
> Turtles".  Used properly CD-I (or for that matter MPC or CDTV) can be a
> tremendous educational tool.  The keys are parental involvement and
> moderation.  Stick a kid in front of CD-I for 10 hours a day and he'll be a
> vegetable; a few hours a week and I'll bet he'll have more advanced motor
> coordination, language skills, and creativity than a kid without access to
> this technology.  I'm not saying a kid is doomed without CD-I, or that these
> skills can't be learned in other ways, but CD-I and other multimedia
> technologies are _one_ effective method.

"I'd rather have my kids working" Aren't they a little young for this or
do you think the child labor laws should be cast aside? (End of humor...)
I loved this paragraph. "The keys are parental involvement and moderation"
Are you married? Do you have children? Has it dawned on you that in order
to give your child the same opportunities that you had might require that
both parents work? I don't see where more advanced motor coordination enters
into this at all. Unless you count pressing buttons on a joypad or waggling
a joystick as advanced motor coordination. If the parental involvement is
there, the language skills will develop. For those who don't have the time
PBS does offer Sesame Street. Creativity does not come from pushing a button,
it requires active thought. So ask yourself again, is "multimedia" truly
an effective method for learning the above skills you outlined above. In 
a country that ranks 49th in literacy in the world, I believe the first 
priority is to have my child learn to read. Something he won't get from
any multimedia technology...
                                                  T. K. Kontos 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000 case design (was Re: Top 10 reasons why ...)
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:43:13 GMT

In article <#fn1yqp@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.191429.15805@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>|> 
>|> BTW, as none of the magazines saw fit to print detailed photos of the insides
>|> of an A4000, I'll photograph it from every angle, both fully assembled and
>|> as disassembled as I dare, then post the scanned images on the net.  I long
>
>Bless you! Finally, some real pix...

Any requests for particular pictures?  I'll try to get clear enough pics to
show the numbers/names on the chips and that sort of thing, but I can't
promise anything.  Also, if anyone is interested, I'll be happy to post the
part numbers and that sort of thing.

What format would be best?  The scanner is 24bit and I can use ADPro to
convert it to 16 color HiRes, 256 color GIF, JPG, or whatever.

>|> for the good old days when AmigaWorld, Byte, AC, and others could be counted
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^
>      
>WHEN were the "good old days" of AmigaWorld? It's always been basically flash-
>trash... looks cute, no real news. AW is getting a little better, if anything.

A few years ago they weren't too bad.  At least for the A500, A2000, and 
A3000 rollouts they provide shots of the motherboard, rear panel, and that
sort of thing.  Hell, the Mac magazines still do that for every new Mac
(seems to be one a week nowadays), why can't Amiga mags do the same?

>AC surprised me, tho. Too bad we still don't have Amiga Sentry around to do
>a good in-depth look, or .info to give a good enduser perspective. 

Now that brings back some memories!  I loved not only their articles, but
also felt that their mag was the most stylish of the Amiga mags.  Anyone
remember the A3000 article?  It had a touched up PS/2 Model 80 on the cover
and described a machine with a few features still not found on the A4000.
If anyone was upset over the bogus A4000 articles, imagine how folks must
have felt about that one!

>Well, maybe the first issue of Amiga.info will do a spot on the A4000.

Is Amiga.info going to be avaiable on newstands?  If not, does anyone
know where I might write for subscription information?

>|> on to do this whenever an new Amiga was released.
>
>
>|> Skip Sauls
>|> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>-- 
>/////////////////////////[[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
>--------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
>	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.120449.6297@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.074053.8810@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov10.205946.14263@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>> 
>> [ ]
>        >>
>>>The funny thing is that the only PC owners who post regularly are folks who
> >>have sold their Amigas and bought Clones.  Why is this?  Are you all afraid
>>>that maybe you didn't make the right decision?
>>
>
>	Untrue, I sold my Amiga and bought a clone but that doesn't mean
>I am no longer interested in what is going on in the Amiga world.  One
>day, whenI have more money, I intend to get an Amiga (Amiga 5000 by then).
>I still like Amigas, I do post tings against the Amiga when I hear some
>kid boasting that his Amiga 500 can run circles around an IBM.  I jyust
>can't resist the urge to inform the user that user.

Too many quotes! I have nothing to do with this, so why are you bringing
my name into it? I'm not the one deriding PC users.
 
Philip
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:32:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>>An Amiga with Emplant is not a Mac. It looks and acts a lot like one, but
>>it is not the same thing.
>
>It walks like a duck, it talks like a duck, it runs Mac software, it's
>a Macintosh.

Wow. Must be for sale then. What's the MSRP, and where can I get one? Its
good to see a second emulator product shipping.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: slinkie@stein.u.washington.edu (Rob Bakie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:09:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.020940.19672
Organization: University of Washington

Funny though, it's amazing how better able Pirates are to distribute 
software and information than any normal software distributors.

How much do you wanna bet that some have resorted to piracy because they 
can't even find the games in their local stores, and aren't going to pay 
for a game through mail order that they haven't even seen a cover for?

Just a thought...
From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: An Amiga *ADVANTAGE*
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:07:39 GMT

david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:

>   The  main problem is, on the Amiga, you maybe have to choose between ten
>wordprocessors,  but  they  are all entry-level, or at some point mid-level
>ones.   There's  no full-blown, full-featured wordprocessors for the Amiga.
>There's  no  "Word"  for  the  Amiga, no WordPerfect either, and sure Lotus
>won't  port  Ami Pro for the Amiga.  IMHO, I would rather choose between 50
>(entry, mid and high-level) and 10 entry-level programs.

   Maybe the problem is that we don't have to have a do-all end-all word-
processing program, since, you see, programs have this little arexx port
that let them be controlled, send data and retrieve data from other places,
allow them to interact with, say, a database program, or... whatever else
that has an arexx port, so you see, one application doesn't have to do ALL,
when some can do it just fine. Multitasking, see?

   I think it's a trend with PC apps, they just have to do EVERYTHING, or
else it's worthless.

Gus
--
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al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx	| "...I came from the Desert!!" (Sonora)
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:16:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>And you can buy an A4000 for $2795.  Add MCA or EISA, LocalBus SVGA,
'>and a SoundBlaster Pro to a 486-50DX2 and you will have a comparable
'>system, but I'd bet the price is more than $2000.

	I agree Skip, that 486 is probably going to cost what the A4000
   does without a monitor.  But, that 486 is also going to have a much
   larger HD, more ram, and a monitor.

'>Like I care how Clone users feel!  This is an Amiga newsgroup created
'>for the purpose of advocating the Amiga.  I'll bash Clones, Macs, Ataris,
'>and any other machines if I so please.  Do you think that anyone really
'>cares whether or not you prefer a Clone to an Amiga?  Not me, and I don't
'>think that many Amiga Advocates do either.  You and your lot are a lost
'>cause.

	So this is what Amiga Advocacy has been reduced to.  Don't bother
   to speak of the strengths of the Amiga, just indiscriminately bash every
   other system out there, along with the people that use them.  I mean 
   according to Amiga advocates anyone who bought a PC is not interested in
   computers.  No wonder Amiga users have such a terrible reputation.  They
   seem to consider themselves an elite class of people, looking down on
   all others who don't agree that the Amiga is the greatest computer of
   all time.
        There are probably many people who own other types of computers that
   might read c.s.a.a to get a first impression of the Amiga and maybe learn
   a little about it.  What are they treated to?  PC users, for example, are
   called stupid many times here, along with other insults.  The same can be
   said for Atari ST and MAC users.  Explain to me how this is advocating the
   Amiga?  You so called Amiga Advocates are alienating the very people you
   need to expand the Amiga market.  Real Nice.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

  
>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EMPLANT vs. QUADRA Price
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Amiga 4000/040 is Coming via UPS!! YEEEHA!!)
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:44:29 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Nov13.054353.18497@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie) writes:
>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: In article <sf0jj5i00iUz87ghhK@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
>: >It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
>: >Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.
>: >
>: >You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
>: 
>:    The price of the Quadra plus $300.
>: 

Think it's only fair Mark to rephrase his question to:
  You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra that emulates an Amiga 4000?

since the 4000 is emulating the quadra...the opposite should also hold true.

>: >-Brian :)
>: 
>: ---
>: | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>: --------------------------------------------------
>
>
>WHAAAT?

He was impling buying a 500/600...I think.

>


Jim
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   It is not I who am CrAzY, it is I who am MAD!!!!! -Ren (SpaCe MaDDneSs)
Living w/o a computer 'till the 4000 comes. Sigh... X-ASOCC (CBM Blew that one)
           Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
A4000 Coming SOON!!, Real soon.                 MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: clueless@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: A1200 - yay or nay?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:12:46 GMT
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I've heard all of the arguments about how you shouldn't expect expandability
up the wazoo from the 1200, because it's a low-end machine, but what I want
to know is if you can expand it like you can the 500....  I can make my 500
do many things (actually, I have...), if not all, that the 2000 can do... It
just requires a little bit more effort.  What I want to know is, how easy to
expand is the 1200 going to be, as compared to the 500?  Does it have the 
expansion slot off the side so the 570 can plug into it?  Am I going to some-
how be able to put the chips from my supra 500rx w/5 meg into it?  After an
investment like that, obviously moveability is a serious consideration.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Subject: Re: FALCON SPEED ......
Originator: eas3714@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:53:58 GMT

In article <rogeraw.26.721052087@dhhalden.no> rogeraw@dhhalden.no (ROGER ALLAN WAHLGREN) writes:
>  I am now sick of hearing you amiga folks saying that falcon is only 2 times
> the speed of the ST.
>
> Some speed ex:
>
> 640 x 400 2 colors: 500% increase over 8MHz STE
> 640 x 480 256 colors: 460% increse over 8MHz STE
> 640 x 480 65536 colors interlaced: 360% increase over 8MHz STE
>
> all tests are against 640 x 400 mono on the STE, which is the fastest mode
> on that computer....

How did you figure out these numbers?  I certainly hope it wasn't a program
that fit all inside the 68030's cache...

> When it comes to mem-bus, you all say that falcon only has one, while the
> A1200 has two. As for I know the A1200 will be fitted with 2meg chip-mem as
> standard, and no fast-mem. As it is a low end machine, how many users will
> upgrade to more memory ?  If not, you only have one bus to use....

This is a valid point... How is the TOS ROM organized on the Falcon?  Altho
the A1200 has contention in CHIP ram, it doesn not have it in FAST ram or on
the OS ROM's.

> On the Falcon you have no seperation of the memory, and all can be used for
> sound and graphics, and you have burst mode on the 68030. By the way, the
> main cpu is not an EC, but a true 68030.

How do they manage to use burst mode on the 68030?

> Let us not discuss which computer is the best and fastest. When both have
> been on the market for a while we will maybe have some software to compare
> the two computers.

True.  I can't wait for some awesome games and even more awesome applications
for the AGA machines.

-- 
"THAT is a DRY turtle.  That turtle is NOT moist!"
Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:14:46 GMT

In article <69340@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>By definition, nobody important reads these newsgroups.
>
>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko

Hey!  I resemble that!

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy