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From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:13:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:

>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin

>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.

>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
you much help on this matter. Why don't we play something easier 
for you, your e-mail address remainds me of one speech 
made by Abraham Lincoln(Abraham Lincoln is Ex president of USA-in case
you don't know this :-)), 
if you can give me satisfactary answers about this speech, I might
give you some advise on your project. 
First, there are two versions of the speech (appr.):
 "...At what point then shall we expect approch of danger? Shall
we expect some transatlantic millitary giant to step the
ocean and crush us at a blow? Never, all the armies of Europe,
Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the Earth in their
military chest
and a Bonarpart as a commander, could not by force take a drink
from the OHIO river or set a track on the Blue Ridge , in a
trial of a thouscand years. If destruction ever reach us, it must spring
up amongst us, we must be its author and finisher, as a 
country of free men, we must live through all time or die by suicide..."
another version:
 "..Whence shall we expect approch of danger? Shall we assume
some millitary giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow?
Never, all the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa, could
not by force take a drink from the OHIO river, or set a track
on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years, if destruction be
our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher, as a nation
of free men, we must live for ever, or die by suicide..."

(Please ignore misspelling, that is intentionally left for Mr. Carl, 
I am sure every time he find a misspelling or grammar error, he
is excited.:-) )

My questions:
1) Which is the original version (by Abraham Lincoln).
2) At what year Abraham Lincoln made the speech?
(Please don't post your answers before you have more that two
answers.)
If you cannot give me a satisfactory answer, I would say "
This guy is BULLSHIT, even don't know American History,
why bother to teach him our Chinese stuff."
By the way, you are not related to CIT at all, are you?
I am really concerned about this. (My taiwanese friends' 
club once visited by CIA personel, CIA offered help to them, 
I really cannot afford this).
Ze Yang.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: mikef@microware.com (Mike Feder)
Subject: Chinese OCR
Originator: mikef@tazz
Keywords: OCR,Chinese
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:36:58 GMT


Has anyone heard of Chinese OCR?  I have read somewhere that there is a
research group in Mainland China that has developed such technology, but
I have yet to see proof of this.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?  What
about in Hong Kong?  We should all pool our resources to help bring about
the popularization of this important technology.

If you know anything about this topic, please e-mail me.  Thanks!

Mike Feder

*These views do not represent those of my employer, nor do they have anything 
 to do with my work.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ABC@DEF.GHI.JK.LMN
Subject: TEST ONLY
 
		TEST ONLY, PLEASE IGNORE.
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:23:24 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: NGFZH@livid.uib.no
Subject: WHAT ABOUT TIBET?
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 26 Aug 1992 17:23:00 EMT

Hi Friends:
I just got back from Tibet. It was a Chinese Expedition to Mt. Qomolongma
(Sorry I don't use English name MT.Everest). I found a lot discussion about
Tibet and feel no time to read all of them even though they are really
interesting.
About the discussion I only want to give some facts.
(1) Our team should pay entrance fee to Mt. Qomolongma region.
(2) Everyone know that there is something called Family Plan in China, but
it is not found in Tibet. I met a Tibetan famer, Doji, who speaks Chinese.
He have three daughters and still want a son. (3) About the living standard,
Doji lives in Rongbuk valley leading to Mt. Qomolongma. He has three cows
(not yarks) and several tens of sheep. I belive that he is richer than some
Han famers living 100 kilometers north from Beijing. (4)I derectly ask him if
he likes Tibetan independence. He said NO and that after the independence
he would be forced to support monasteries qingke(a sort of weater) and
butter, and lamas and monks would be high class on them.
(5) In Xigaze, the second city in Tibet, I found Chinese soldiers
cleaning the streets in early morning(I have the picture). (6)
From a Xiegar County offical, I got that the gorvenment pays money to rebuild
monasteries. In fact, in Rongbuk monastery which is nearest to Mt. Qomolongma
and highest located in the world, there are 10 monks and 17 nuns now.
(7)Compared with two years ago when I was in Tibet, more new buidings are found
in Lahsa. In Zaxilunbu monastery, Xigaze, several new buiding has been
constructed and one is being building. Pudala Palace is being renewing too.
(8)In the army, armed police and police, there are alot Tibetans.
It is easy to find Tibetan armed policemen guarding the gate of Tibet
Autonomous Region Gorvenment.
(9) Finally, for me, a Han people, it is not easy to speak to Tibetans. Most
of Tibetans don't speak my language. And everywhere, I can see typical
Tibetan artworks and culture.

ZH
From: wling@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Chinese Word Processor/Editor
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:02:06 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Can somebody out there tell me how can I find a Chinese word processor/editor
I recently talk to a friend who told that there is a shareware program out
there. So if anybody knows anything, please let me know.

Thanks in advance.
From: cc015@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vito T. Kwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:33:41 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu


Someone brought up this topic before, and his/her opinion in why there are
more cases of white male/Asian female marriage is Asian males are of nationalism
Hey, wake up! Don't be so Ah Q. In my opinion (being an Asian male), I think
the Asian females are more of materialism.  (especially those from HK) The 
following are the reasons for this kind of sick phenomenon:

    1. They can get the green card.
    2. Male (traditionally) thinks his career is much more important than any ing else (and dating a white female takes awful long time and much money)
    3. Females with a white males like to show off in front of their Asian friends. (Male have this problem too, but not as serious as the Asian females)
    4. white females don't have a good image on the Asian males. White females
think Asian females are hard-working, smart, GPA more than 3.5, wear thick glass, don't comb hair, not romantic enough, poor, don't have sense of humor, lousy
at bed, etc.
       White males think Asian girls are cute, nice, smile all the time, care
for their boyfriends, good cooks.
    5. I got to go now, I have class.

All personal attacks and insults send to my account, see below:
-- 
Vito Kwan                 
Academic Computer Center,   Hofstra University
INTERNET:   accvtk@vaxc.hofstra.edu
BITNET  :   csc3vtk@hofstra.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Anaonymous mail(DengXPing@beijing.china.etc)
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:39:45 GMT

In article <Btuwn6.91q@news.udel.edu> jianhua@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
=Can you post an anaonymous message that you can get replies from readers by your anaonymous adress?
=
=Keywords: Question
=
=
=

What's your question again?
From: jqtan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jianqi Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:43:37 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

You only need to say thank you only once. once.

In article <65500061@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
>mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:
>
>>	Yang Ze
>>	Shi Chunde
>>	Brian Lin
>
>>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>>who asks for it.
>
>>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
>
>Hello, Mr. Libucha, I am so glad that you put my name at 
>the first place (I guess that's because my stringent arguments win
>your trust:-)), but I am a little busy now, I cann't give 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: STOP posting anonymously, 'cause you cannot
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:42:38 GMT

In article <92243.011554U53077@uicvm.uic.edu> U53077@uicvm.uic.edu (Li, Dong 312-996-0509) writes:
=
=STOP anonymously posting !!!!!! Don't waste your time to do it
=because there is no way you can really post anonymously.

Exactly, everyone should use their own real name.

=
=The network is designed in such a way that nobody could attack somebody else
=or spread rumor anonymously.
=
=yuta@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu tried to post something anonymously
=but failed.
=
=If you want to unveil a anonymous poster, receive that message first,
=then you will find the real email address at the header.
=
=*************************************************************************
=With malice toward none, with charity for all..........  Abraham Lincoln
==========================================================================
=        Dong Li   Telephone: (312) 996-0509    Fax: (312) 413-2435
=     Internet: u53077@uicvm.cc.uic.edu     Bitnet: u53077@uicvm.bitnet
=Dept. Biological Sciences, Univ. Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60680
=*************************************************************************


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mystery)
Subject: Looking for VIRGIN chinese Girl
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:12:55 GMT



Looking for virgin chinese girl to break her seal. I cant marry a
white bimbo. I need chinese pussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Ok-Hyeon Kim - ES55)
Subject: Question???
Summary: Insurance
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  2 Sep 92 01:07:40 GMT

Hi !  ! Netters.
I read something about health insurance on this group about one
month ago. Could you anybody give some information about that.
I forgot the name of insurance. Maybe ~chinese~~.
I am also F-1 Visa student in the USA. Can I join the insurance
even thought I am not chinese.(I am Korean).
If anybody know about the insurance, please send me a information.
I want to know that 1)phone number
		    2)If possible, application form.

If you send me by E-Mail, I appreciate to you again.

E-mail address: kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov

Thanks, in advence....
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 30 Aug 1992 01:15:54 CDT
From: Li, Dong 312-996-0509 <U53077@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: STOP posting anonymously, 'cause you cannot


STOP anonymously posting !!!!!! Don't waste your time to do it
because there is no way you can really post anonymously.

The network is designed in such a way that nobody could attack somebody else
or spread rumor anonymously.

yuta@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu tried to post something anonymously
but failed.

If you want to unveil a anonymous poster, receive that message first,
then you will find the real email address at the header.

*************************************************************************
With malice toward none, with charity for all..........  Abraham Lincoln
=========================================================================
        Dong Li   Telephone: (312) 996-0509    Fax: (312) 413-2435
     Internet: u53077@uicvm.cc.uic.edu     Bitnet: u53077@uicvm.bitnet
Dept. Biological Sciences, Univ. Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60680
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From: cive197@rosie.uh.edu (Zou, Xiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Request for Anonymous post!
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.4SEP199212183790
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep4.090146.14161@fzi.de>, xiong@fzi.de writes...
>In article <1992Sep3.194811.13409@menudo.uh.edu>, zou@bluebonnet.egr.uh.edu (Xiang  Zou) writes:
>|> In soc.culture.china article  
>|> <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> you wrote:
>|> > Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
>|> > originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
>|> > 					            A.P.
>|> 
>|> It is a kind interest to know that one can post anonymously and read the  
>|> discussion about this.
>|> 
>|> I really want to share this fun but, however, I do not know how to do  
>|> this. Would you please tell me
>|> 
>|> how can I post anonymously and what the basic step to trace back.
> 
>Only "a interest"? Hmmm, I doubt about your motivation so I keep the secret, other
>wise there could be another "Mao" in the net. Sorry.
I do not know whether the article cited is yours or not, if so, then you did
not say what you really thought and you did not do what you said. That is why 
some guys want the anonymous post. If wanting some argument or kind discussion,
why not open everything, or just like to show up those "high level" knowledge
of computer. Will this "secret" be a big deal? Nothing more than a kind of 
technique. However I thank you guys for letting me know about this and your 
response. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:02:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194025.491@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
> 
> I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu  
Xun, 
> one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even 
> fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you 
> think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?
> 
> Robert Sanders

I guess his mailbox would be flooded.

Carl
From: maswindy@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Xiaomu Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:27:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago

In article <Bu0KqH.Co5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>Why don't mainland stop stopping other country selling weapon to Taiwan?
>That will make the price of weapons lower so Taiwan dosn't have to spend
>too much . Taiwan has declared not to use military force in the unification
>of China if Taiwan is not under military invasion.

     I don't believe the Chinese central government ever denounced use
of force for the purpose of unification. So, in the unlikely event that
a war breaks out between mainland and taiwan, wouldnt it be nice if
there is no F-16 bombing the invading army and navy?

>                                                    Why do those F-16 have to
>be used against mainland? No matter unification or TI , people in Taiwan are
>still ethnically unchanged . Why is there fear among mailanders that taiwan
>will be separated from China foever?

     Just want you to know that I am not one of those "mainlanders".

>                                      The only thing Taiwanese want is pease
>and prosperity and a guarentee that they will never suffer from any unpredict-
>able disaster like what they have suffered before. They need to hold their
>future with their own hands not with the mercy of others.And the F-16s helps.

     Yea well F-16 helps but nuclear weapon would be better..So would you
like to see Taiwan obtain some kind of nuclear capabilities to guarantee that
"they will never suffer from any unpredictable disaster"?

     If I am a Taiwanese I would not put too much trust into the Taiwan 
government. The only reason they denounced using force against mainland 
is because they know they have no chance...let's keep it that way.

>If you were a Taiwanese , don't you think so? Please remember almost all 
>Taiwanese are descendents of Chinese settlers not conquored minorities.

     Some of the bloodies massacres were inflicted by one group of chinese
upon another.

-X
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <2A9D8113.5160@orion.oac.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
|> 
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|>  /|    \       \
|> / |__________\
|> 
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|>     |  |   | 	      /  |  \          |     	      /\        |
|>     |  |  \|             |        / |    \     \               \|
|>     |_________\	 	 |       /  |________\
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> shannon
|> -------

Yet you are so loyal to communism ....

Lin Can
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From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:47:57 GMT

yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:

>Regarding the gayman's stuff, I don't have much to say, but
>I have seen an article on monkeys, that article says, the leading
>monkey(it's always male) often sits on the weaker male's back, 
>doing a certain posture, the author thinks that the leading monkey 
>is showing his power by implying the weaker one is like a female.  

>I don't know if there is another version of this picture in our human
>being society, 

There is!  The Ancient Egyptian soldiers always "intercourse" enemies'
arse (ass) whenever they win a battle, to show that "we are superior".

I think one reason why there are more White men/Asian women marriage
than Asian men/White women marriage is because Asian (at least Chinese)
men tend to be more nationist than Asian women.

What do you think?

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 10
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:05:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 10)

Between 460 AD and 469 AD, Tsu Ch'ung-Chih and Tsu Keng-Chih,
father and son (two Chinese), calculate Pi as 3.14159203 using a circle
3 m (10 ft) across (the correct value to the same number of decimal
places is 3.1415926535).
                  ^^^^
Chinese abacus is used in Europe between 500 AD and 509 AD.

In 534 AD, Korean introduce Chinese mathematics into Japan.

Between 530 AD and 539 AD, the water-powered flour sifting and shaking
machine invented in China is mentioned for the first time; this device
works like a steam engine in reverse, changing rotary motion needed for
sifting; it is the first known machine capable of doing this.

Between 540 AD and 559 AD, Chinese emperor Luan's Book of the Golden
Hall master describes wind-driven land vehicles used in China; a
wind-driven carriage could carry 30 people and travel hundreds of
kilometers in a single day; sails were also applied to wheelbarrows and
wheelbarrows with sails became a common symbol of Chinese culture in the
18th century Europe.

In 568 AD, the Avars, an Eastern people who eventually settled in
Caucasus, invade Hungary bringing with them the trace harness and the
stirrup for use with horses; both were originally developed in China.

In 577 AD, Chinese women in Northern Ch'i under siege from neighboring
kingdom in China invent matches so that they can start fires for cooking
and heating.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan)
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:03:40 GMT

Bonsoir Monsieur Mao. Salut!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: population expectation - a great problem!?
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:50:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

China population expectation - a great problem!?

1. the expected size when growth stops
	1989		expected size when growth stops
China	1,115 millions  1,890 millions

2. every Chinese woman bears 2.35 children in average at present. 
The family planing officers are trying hard to bring this figure 
down to 2.00 by 2000.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:50:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.161907.2773@wuecl.wustl.edu> anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong) writes:
>In article <92Aug19.100156edt.108@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>>it is not groundless speculation.  There is no Yuan Dynasty records
>>of such a person.  Historians are arguing about whether Marco Polo
>>really visited China or not.  
>>
>
>Hey, maybe the records are written in Mongolian. It's quite imaginable that
>most Chinese historians didn't bother to learn that language, given the 
>attitudes towards foreigners back then. :>
>
>NGOK
>
No, there are history books about every dynasty.  Ever heard of 
Er Shi Si Shi?  and it's all in Chinese.  The government structure
of the Mongolian dynasty was quite Chinesized.   Having an "attitude"
toward a Mongol at that time could very well mean "off with your head".

Please study more chinese history rather than tune into hollywood style
movies.   

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