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From: jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us (John Hood)
Subject: Re: STEVIE/BBSTEVIE as external editors. [UNIX]
Organization: Pick a banana, any banana
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:16:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.164218.3848@ecl.psu.edu> fenner@jazz.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>|As for exiting to the shell from vi (or other editors).  Instead of
>|invoking vi just run a small program that does a 'chroot' and then
>|invokes vi.
>
>chrooted environments are difficult to set up.  If you chroot to
>/waffle/home/fenner, you can't exec /usr/ucb/vi; you would have to copy
>vi into everyone's home directory if you want them to run it.
>
>|And in their own directory, they can't do much harm at all!
>
>Yup.  If you can't do anything at all, then you can't do any harm.

Lest anybody accuses us of being biased, I should point out that we
are :)  Bill, I think, maintains bbstevie, an editor with
user-restriction facilities, and I've written a little chroot editor
shell.  Both should be available from the waffle archives, or you can
ask me for the chroot shell.

I don't think chroot environments are too hard to set up.  The way I
do it is to have a single chroot area for all users, and copy the file
they need to edit in and out of there, as necessary.

It does reduce editing flexibility a little bit-- a user can't read in
other files from their home directory-- but the security is pretty
much guaranteed and worry-free.

Also, a chroot shell allows you to drop in random editors as you like:
users on my system have three full-screen editors to choose from; all
were basically just copied out of my /usr/local/bin.

  --jh

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From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Faxmodems and Waffle
Keywords: FAX Waffle
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:13:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: hale.c2w8iB2w165w
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:

 
...Lots of stuff about faxmodems and waffle, which is goos since I have
   one now....
> 
> When we are all on ISDN ? :)
> 
 
ISDN---  IT *STILL* DOES NOTHING


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: mail from waffle to xenix shell users
From: tim@qed.cts.com (Tim Capps)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:27:28 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

Does anyone know how to get email from waffle to xenix shell users?

When I try it, waffle checks its user list, then complains that the
user does not exist.

What I'm looking for is a way to tell it not to be so smart, and to just
pass all email to xenix for routing (local or not).

Tim

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From: system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:34:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: micromed.TJ3yiB1w165w
Organization: Micro-Medic +1 408 280 1610

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
> However, most UUCP communication is unsupervised.  Zmodem does not
> require ANY ack's from the receiving system.  Zmodem is quite
> capable of thus continuing to dump data for hours into a system
> that has hung, died, modem unplugged from computer, etc.
> 
> Three window, 64-byte packet UUCP-g does far too many ack's at 9600
> baud, but going to no acks at all is not a great solution.
> 
> Even for local calls, a hung recipient under Zmodem could tie up
> the sending modem.  And any replacement for UUCP-g that you propose
> has to be acceptable to those who do long-distance transfers!

I have been using Zmodem to transfer network traffic for a couple years
now. Never have I had Zmodem hang or continue to send if the other system
locks. I call Washington,DC daily from California in an unsupervised event.
That's about as long distance as your gonna get without calling outside of
the country.

With Zmodem I get up to 1700 CPS. With UUCP-g I'm lucky to get 800 CPS on
a large file, average transfer rate is lower than that.


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From: george@wixer.helps.cs.utexas.edu (George Wenzel)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Unix bbs's running waffle
Summary: What is everyone else doing on their system?
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:44:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.waffle
Organization: Real/Time Communications

I am running ISC sV v3.0 with a couple digiboards and a stack of modems. 
I have a couple games such as Nethack and Moria running, and some chat
software that needs replacing with something better.  I'm trying to find
additional software that might go good on such a system.

If those out there running waffle under UNIX could send me mail telling
what all they have added in the way of external programs, I would compile
a list of available software and ideas in a summary article.

I am interested in software that is generally available, and whatever mods
you had to make to get it to work with Waffle.  

I would really like to hear about what everyone uses for chat (cb simulators),
I have a lot of users who go for that.

George


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From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
Keywords: alias
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:39:05 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

> figured out what it meant, as have a few of my users, but the vast
> majority hasn't. "CD" they might relate to, but "log" is a foreign
> word..... "A)rea Change" gets immediate response :-)

Log's a holdover from CP/M days gone by.

> Hiya, old son - long time since tuthernet days, eh? I don't know about
> you big city fellas, but folks around here cut their teeth on my early
> fidotech boards, and they most certainly speak dos and only dos
> 98.10221 per cent of the time.

Big city?  Yeah, right.  We have to go outside and reverse the phone
lines to make an outgoing call.  Anyhoo, it's nice seeing you're
still around.  I'm going to make a dent in these DOS boys, yet. I
already have one chap installing linux and playing around with
unix on 'bigger iron'.  I've got Waffle up and running under ULTRIX
and things weren't that bad.  There's a dozen or so Waffle Irons
down here and the Word's spreading like maple syrup.  Now to get
rfmail installed and let the Usenet hounds see what Fightonet
has to offer.
From: peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:02:21 GMT
Organization: Private site

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:

> In article <230kiB4w164w@lambada.UUCP> cory@lambada.UUCP
> (Cory West) writes:
> 
> >                                                     I still think
> >that for DOS <--> DOS transfers, a Zmodem style transfer would work well.
> 
> I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Zmodem for your UUCP
> transport layer.  This is my opinion only, of course.
> 
> Zmodem works well for its intended purpose; user-supervised
> uploads/downloads.

Amazing. Except for Usenet I am doing all transfers using ZModem. 
I am member of Fidonet and some other local nets. There are 
different programs for unsupervised access using ZModem and all of 
them work very well. Sometimes it came to trouble caused by an 
overflow of the harddisk of my uplink. ZModem tried ten times and 
then gave up and closed connection. _Never_ did it try to 
up/download forever or even a long time if it came to trouble. In 
fact the connection was closed much faster then in case of trouble 
during my uucp-g transfers. What is more: The crash recovery was 
able to continue transfer where it was interrupted and didn't have 
to transfer the whole file again (which can really be a pain if 
transfer of 2 MB is skipped after transferring 1,8 MB...).

Bye
  Peter
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From: slh@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Steven Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: timelimits,UL/DL Question
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:42:53 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

How can time limits be eliminated, and how can upload/download
ratios be defeated?   If they cannot be, what is the highest 
possible setting for each?
THANKS.

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From: mike@braindead.dell.com (Neko)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: waffle & multi-tech MT932ECB
Summary: waffle & multi-tech
Keywords: waffle & multi-tech
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:43:30 GMT
Organization: DELL Computer --UNIX Software Development Group-- Austin, Texas


Does antone have any suggestions for using a multi-tech multiModem
MT932ECB (internal) with waffle 1.64? Suggestions for setting up them
modem to communicate with the widest possible range of caller speeds.

Please email any item of help to :

    mike@braindead.dell.com

Thanks
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 1.65 is still BETA.
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:37:41 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> anything.  What's the new proposed release date for 1.65, Tom?

hallowe'en, 1991.
From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Faxmodems and Waffle
Keywords: FAX Waffle
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:04:26 EDT
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

steve@presoft.com (Steve Kohlenberger) writes:

> Hello Wafflees and Wafflers and other wannabes:
> 
> I though I heard something a while ago about Waffle and FAX/modem
> boards.  With todays 1.64 or soon (I hope :-)) to be released 1.65
> Waffle, will someone have software to use Waffle as a FAX gateway
> too?  14.4 K FAX/Modem boards are beginning to come out of the
> woodwork. Some are even beginning to work.

I started on one but have not had the time to get far...

> To me, a FAX gateway not only allows outbound traffic for queuing
> with your favorite desktop/word processor but includes OCR, incomming
> routing and other often wishlist items.

If the fax card supports the word processor - it should be possible to
do that, however its probably easier to just fax a print file (My frecom
fax96 will send epson LQ850 print files).

OCR on incoming, and or routing ?  Dream on, Mixing a fax card with a
modem is bad news for most of the cards out there... the handoff of the
call is the problem how do I kill waffle, get it out of memory load the
fax s/w and get the process done in time to not drop the fax call.

There was very little interest when I asked about a fax gateway for
waffle, late last year. Is there more now ?

> Am I asking for too much?  Maybe for today, maybe for tomorrow, but
> not for this decade.

When we are all on ISDN ? :)

peter

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From: Pat Cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Re: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:42:31 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:

> I know several people are working on Mail/News readers for Waffle.  I'm 90%
> finished with a Windows version.

Hehe.. I've heard that before ("90% finished").  The last bit always
seems to take the longest.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: pep@pavnet.pcn.org (Phil Pavarini Jr.)
Subject: Re: Can Waffle be used as an email hub?
Reply-To: pep@pavnet.pcn.org (Phil Pavarini Jr.)
Organization: PAVNET
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:31:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.waffle

As quoted from <1992Apr9.144702.4032@verifone.com> by jimmy_t@verifone.com:

> Can I use Waffle  as a store and forward hub for mail? i.e. lots of
> PC's running UUPC (or other UUCP implementations) calling into
> a central PC running Waffle to retrieve or leave messages?

	Yes - absolutly - for sure!  That is exactly what UUCP was 
designed for.  Not only could you use it as a local 'hub', but also
connect the 'hub' to the UUCP network.  And you could have several waffle 
sites connecting to the hub, or uupc sites, or *nix sites, or whatever
runs UUCP!

	You might be interested in the UUDOS newsletter.
It is for a general discussion about UUCP implimentations under DOS. It 
is unmoderated, to subscribe:  send mail to pavnet!infolist or 
infolist@pavnet.pcn.org.  The following subject line MUST be included,
in LOWER CASE, exactly as shown below:

Subject: subscribe uudos

Instructions will be sent to you on how to post to the mailing list, and
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From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
Keywords: alias
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:35:55 GMT
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA

kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>In article <RDesiB5w165w@halcyon.com> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
>>kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>>> That's a good beginning, but what on earth does "LOG" have to do with
>>> changing file AREAS or DIRECTORIES?

>>Maybe because you need to 'log' into a new directory?

>Hiya, old son - long time since tuthernet days, eh? I don't know about
>you big city fellas, but folks around here cut their teeth on my early
>fidotech boards, and they most certainly speak dos and only dos
>98.10221 per cent of the time.

Well, maybe they should take a break from milkin' the cows and learn something
besides a dumb bootstrap loader like DOS...   8-)

Seriously, this sounds like more of the same kind of whining ("..but I'm used
to the *old* way...") that caused DOS to be forever burdened with backwards
compatablility.  It can never truely evolve for this reason.  

>I can't find "log" in my dos manual, and that's the problem. _I_
>figured out what it meant, as have a few of my users, but the vast
>majority hasn't. "CD" they might relate to, but "log" is a foreign
>word..... "A)rea Change" gets immediate response :-)

Well, I can think of a few solutions for you:

1) Don't run Waffle, and forget USENET, and go back to the slow, low volume
Fido-crap.

2) If you have the source, change the commands you don't like.

3) Create a "new user" entry in your INFO section, with a brief description
of how to use the more "confusing" parts of the system.

Hoping you find some of this useful,

Scott

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Xref: sparky alt.bbs.waffle:4147 alt.bbs:3321
From: tweek@tweekco.uucp (Michael D. Maxfield)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle,alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Overflowing the modem.
Keywords: modem,trouble,problem
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 92 10:25:27 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems, Moraga CA

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> I'd suggest locking using one of the fossils, as well as making
> sure hardware handshaking is enabled.  A 16550AFN UART will add
> a small amount of buffering that could be helpful.  These are
> virtually 'givens' when doing anything above 9600.  Some modems
> have 10K or so of assorted buffering that can be tweaked, but
> I think you'll find things will improve with the UART replacement
> and the fossil.

I have just tried Waffle with 9600 baud and the X00 fossil driver
on a 8 Mhz XT and noticed that the UUCICO slowed from 800cps down
to 400cps with the fossil driver.  I have since removed the fossil
and am using the native driver again.  I get a few bad header errors
but the speed with these errors is still double the speed while using
the fossil driver.  I guess it's just not enough clock cycles available
for the fossil to work properly.


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From: caxrudt@pkinbg.UUCP (Hr. Rudolf,EXTERN, )
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle BBS wanted
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:16:37 GMT

Hi,
can anyone please tell me where to get the Waffle BBS program from?
I can only access a mailserver and not ftp-hosts.
I want use it for a mailbox in Dresden/Germany.
Thanks in advance,
Thomas

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From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Unix for PC...
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 19:55:31 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

hho@aludra.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***) writes:

> Has anyone ever successful running Unix on 386/486??
> 386BSD is the berkeley Unix, Linux is another one...
> On the commercial side I hear of one from Sun, call Sun PC???

I've tried out Linux 0.12 on my 386 at work.  I toasted the hard drive and 
gave it all to Linux.  From my brief encounter with it, I was very impressed 
and it's obvious that it is going to be a very good UNIX clone.

There's my 2 cents worth :)

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From: phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle+X00 vs 486/50
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 01:21:34 EST
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

zatar@dadstoy.uucp (Terry Stockdale) writes:
>I'm at the last stages of purchasing either a 486/33 or a 486/50.  One of 
>the major uses of the system will be running Waffle under DOS5 (or DRDOS6), 
>along with the X00 FOSSIL.  I do have a NS16550AFN on a board I'll transfer 
>to the new machine.
>
>Does anyone know of any problems with Waffle/DOS or X00 with such a fast 
>machine?

I'm using Waffle 1.64 in a 486/25.  I poll under windows 3.1 while other
(non-heavy duty) applications are running.  I did use X00, but I had more
problems with it then without it.  I am running a 16550A and a 14400 baud
modem.  The end result, great throughput, no problems and multitasking.

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From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle,sdnet.general
Subject: Re: Local Waffle Systems
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:51:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: hale.2NN8iB4w165w
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:

> Anyone in the Sandy Eggo area running Waffle (DOS or UNIX)?
> Curious who else is out here locally is using the same BBS/UUCP
> software.
> 
> I know of 4 or 5 systems just from reading the news but would
> like to find more.  Interested in trading tips, UUCP accounts,
> etc.  Is everyone using Crash Time Share as host?
> 
> I am running Waffle V1.65 (beta 7) currently, having just moved
> up from V1.64 this past week.  Hardware is a 386-33 4Meg, 250 Meg
> PC clone running DR-DOS V6.0.  This beta release is running
> nicely here.        --Mike
> 

 
Lesse, there is Ryptyde.cts.com running under netlink.cts.com.
 
Of course there is us, which you know, because we turned you onto 1.65.
(hale.cts.com)

There is tel-cen.cts.com, which is waiting on a large HD before opening 
up for general use.

ziggys.cts.com, I believe it's running 3 systems laned together with 2 
lines.  (I forgot to mentaion Ryptyde is UNIX)  Ziggys may or maynot 
still be kicking around with planet10.cts.com, which was/is waffle, I 
havn't heard anything from it in a while, I guess I'll send a message 
there and find out.
 
There's you (slic.cts.com.), for some reason I think there was 
planned/was/is a sister system to planet10 also, I have forgotten the 
name.
 
With the new 386/40 I'm working on, I'm not sure if I'm going to 
lan the two beasties together as one site, or give it it's own address, 
I'll have to wait and see how cable and system resources workout.


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