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From: chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde)
Subject: Re: ASIA IN BOSTON?? WHEN?!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:54:01 GMT


my understanding is that they're playing at the Bayou here in DC in a
few days or a week. I have no info on who's in the group, tho.

 -- clint
--

Clint Hyde		"Give me a LispM or give me death!" -- anonymous

Advanced Decision Systems/BAH	Internet:  chyde@chesapeake.ads.com
1953 Gallows Rd, Suite 600
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From: djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:42:11 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>I said
>>jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu writes:
>>> < DT take a slagging >
>>	- Whose sounds?  
>>	- Whose riffs?  
>>	- Whose production techniques?
> 

>DT sounds _way_ too much like Kansas on _Images and Words_. I'd say
>that all of the above were taken from Kansas, for one...

I've never heard of Kansas, can you tell me a little about them?  Can I get
their stuff in the UK?

>Gregg

-dave
-- 
djd@csg.cs.rdg.ac.uk
djd@csug.cs.rdg.ac.uk
davidd@integ.uucp
From: yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: porno for pryos?
Keywords: album?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:41:27 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
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In article <BwvF1G.DEv@acsu.buffalo.edu> v003nnc3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MR. BUNGLE) writes:
>In article <LN_=SVB@engin.umich.edu>, casey@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Scott Casey) writes...
>>

<garbage deleted>
 
>>try alt.music.alternative if you want to find out about that kind
>>of stuff. (plenty of people there will help you...)
>
>Fuck you and all the labeling shit.  I just asked for some info.  If you want
>to get rid of some of your frustrations don't do it on me.  Go out, get a life,
>and relax.  By the way, I'm a drummer (6 yrs.), asshole.  Just because I listen
>to different music than you doesn't give you the right to pass judgement on me. 
>Go flame someone else, somewhere else.
>
>Mr. Bungle


YEP!

you are right.
If there is an openminded group it should be this one.
If you are not openminded you don't belong here.
From: wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP's Father Christmas
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:15:46 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Claris Corporation, Vancouver WA

Other people have said various things in other articles...
[deleted]

I have two different 7" copies of this.  One is a US radio-promo release,
Atlantic 45-3305 with mono and stereo versions.  The other is a British
release,
Manticore K13511 which I found new about 5-6 years ago.  This is the
version
that is b/w "Humbug", a cute little rarity.

Someone else mentioned that they thought that E & P had nothing to do with
this
version.  While quite possible, and logical, the keyboards (esp. the
ending)
sound very Emersonish to me.

> Other Tull Christmas songs include:
> 
> March the Mad Scientist  (20 Years of JT)

This is a Christmas song?  I haven't listened closely to the lyrics in a
while,
but I thought it was about Spring, how March (a.k.a. "In like a lion, out
like a
lamb") was a mad scientist that brought about the change of seasons. 
(Granted,
it *was* on the 4-track Christmas EP, but so was Pan Dance).

Scott Lindsey <wombat@claris.com>
From: denbok@fys.ruu.nl (Henk den Bok)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gentle Giant newly released
Keywords: Gentle Giant, Power and Glory, Glass House
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:18:52 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

Hi everybody,

Last week there have been some rumours about the fact that In a Glass
House was released on CD. It appears to be even better than that:

The two Gentle Giant albums that were originally released on WWA have
been released on CD last Friday. These are
    The Power and the Glory   and
    In a Glass House
I did not copy this news from a magazine or anything: I have both
CDs on my desk right now (and I'm happy as a clam).
Both CD's are released by
    'The Road Goes on Forever'
    Unit B, 9d Park Road,
    Crouch End, London N8 8TD
    Tel. 081 340 4158

The Power and the Glory, RGF CD 1002, (P) 1974 Phonogram Ltd. (UK)
                                      (C) 1992 Terrapin Trucking Co.

The Power and the Glory has already been available on CD from Columbia
but has been out-of-print for a while and rather hard-to-get. The new
release features an additional track w.r.t. the original LP: I think
it is the *song* 'The Power and the Glory'. Strangely enough, this song
did not appear on the LP (am I right about this?). Anyway, the disk
label is printed with a nice playing card (a King, of course) and the
CD features a booklet with lyrics and background information. The cover
is printed sideways, as with the original LP. The sound is crystal
clear with a low background noise.

In a Glass House, RGF CD 1001, (P) 1973 Phonogram Ltd. (UK)
                               (c) 1992 Terrapin Trucking Co.

In a Glass House was not yet available on CD and has been 'the missing
link' for several years. RGF has tried to mimic the original 'in a glass
house' effect on the LP (the record sleeve had a 'window' through which
the inner sleeve could be seen) by printing the silhouette of the band
members in black ink *on the transparent perspex cover* of the CD.
Right behind that you can see the band members in a different pose
in a frame on the black booklet. Again, the booklet features all lyrics
and background information. I cannot compare the sound quality, for
I only had this album on tape. There is a little noise in the
background, but not too severe.

Overall, I think RGF has done a great job on the covers. It is amazing
how carefully the layout has been designed; especially considering the
absolute non-commerciality of the music. Perhaps they realize what
"quality" really stands for. I hope that this idealism does not provoke
bankruptcy...

Happy listening, Henk
-- 
Henk den Bok
Physics Laboratory                            email: denbok@fys.ruu.nl
Utrecht University                            tel. : (+31)-(0)30-537556
P.O. Box 80.000                               fax. : (+31)-(0)30-531601
3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Horslips
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:38:27 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <CHYDE.92Nov2104847@pecos.ads.com> chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde) writes:
>
>can anyone tell me what all Horslips albums are on CD? I have Book of
>Invasions, and have seen The Tain (but I didn't get it). I'm wondering
>about other stuff...

I checked this out myself this spring in Ireland while I was there.
Originally, back in the mid-80's all of their albums except the first
"Live" one were on CD briefly, a UK label that later went belly up.

After that, an Irish label got the rights to all their albums, but at
that time only 4 had been reissued on CD, the others were reissued only
on cassette. The CDs are:

1. The Tain
2. The Book of Invasions
3. The Belfast Gigs (Live)
4. Straight From The Horse's Mouth - The Best of Horslips

I too am waiting for the others, esp "Drive The Cold Winter Away"

>btw, for those not in the know, Book of Invasions is excellent. a
>concept album, based on irish legends (as is The Tain, which is not
>nearly as good in terms of instrumental composition), it is full of
>excellent playing, very memorable lyrics and tunes. perhaps not
>strictly prog, but the prog'er will like it.

I agree, Invasions is their best.

I had a chance to see them in Berkeley (the "Rather Ripped Records"
annual birtday party) a few months after the release of "The Man Who Built
America"... One of the best shows I've ever seen.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: UK ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:25:28 GMT
	<1992Nov2.234557.20114@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
	<1992Nov3.183513.527@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
	<1de773INNci6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 6 Nov 92 16:41:07 GMT

In article <1de773INNci6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:

     According to Allan, he and Bill *were* fired from U.K. -- he touches
   on this briefly in Christopher Hoard's book, _Reaching For The Uncommon
   Chord_. If you believe all the accounts, both Wetton and Jobson were in
   agreement on this point. Jobson was supposedly very upset with Holdsworth
   because he couldn't/wouldn't play the guitar solos the same way every
   night. If you've heard the debut album, you'll understand why this might
   upset Jobson.

And if you've heard any tapes of the first UK tour, you might
understand even more: Holdsworth was just out of control sometimes!
He didn't seem to be paying any attention to the music, just playing
aimlessly over other parts many times.  Sometimes I wonder whether he
actually *understood* UK's music.

UK is one of my favourite bands, if not my favourite.  That's because
they combined the rich jazz/prog harmonic vocabulary with *composed*
rock pieces.  Their virtue, for me, was that improvisation was
downplayed.  Unfortunately, I don't think Holdsworth was into that
kind of restriction.

Has there been any band like UK since?  I'd love to know about them.
OK, Bruford sounds like UK in a few spots, as does Halloween, and
Jobson's Green album is my favourite prog lp ever.  Any other
suggestions for me?

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: grahamh@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Hay)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Marillion MOD
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:10:15 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University

Oh my god, what have I done! Yes its true, I've made a protracker module
of "Cover My Eyes". If you want it then you can find it on:
wuarchive.wustl.edu
in
/systems/amiga/incoming/mods/other
as
Cover_My_Eyes.lha

If you can't get it there and still want it ( why? i know not) then 
mail me at
grahamh@uk.ac.ed.castle (preferably) or
gnh@uk.ac.ed.dcs

Cheers,
Graham.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: EYE OF THE BEHOLDER
From: S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:00:04 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

I'm wondering if there are any other CD's out there in the general style of
The Chick Corea Elektric Band's "Eye of the Beholder".  That is, an artsy,
latin/spanish fusion concept album.  The other releases of this band, while
good, just don't seem to be of the same caliber.  Any suggestions?
-mp
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Penguin Cafe Orchestra?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:26:53 GMT

Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward) writes:

>What kind of info can anyone give me on this group?  While browsing at
>a local music shop, I ran across about ten copies of about 4-5
>different albums.  I'm assuming they're progressive for three reasons: 
>Instrumentation listed on one of the albums (rock instruments plus
>string orchestra), the date of the earliest release (1976), and they
>were on E'G.  Any info would be helpful.

While Simon Jeffes has done some work on some progressive lps by John Perry
and Rupert Hine the Pengiun Cafe music is progressive in the classic
symphonic rock sense. 

I like what I've heard but haven't heard much - I'd describe
it more and neo-classical/jazz which might even lean a bit towards what
many folks call new age or contemporary instrumental music, though the
music is probably more complex and interesting than those terms may imply. 

I think Eno produced one lp, which I'd thought was their first, released
around 1980. But the 1976 lp is around the time Jeffes worked with Hine
and Perry doing string arrangement on one of their lps, perhaps on Perry's
Sunset Wading? Anyway, the Hine and Perry works are odd  - I'd call them
prog rock but they are to me quite different than any of the major prog
bands of the 70's - perhaps I could describe is as more of a contemporary
small ensemble modern classical instead of the neo-classical symphonic
sound many prog rock bands lean towards.

I'm very curious about the 1976 one, especially if Perry or Hine are on
it. If you buy it and don't like it I'll probably be happy to take it
off your hands... 

  - malcolm@wrs.com
From: Rob.Rosen@West.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Genesis books?
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: Rob.Rosen@West.Sun.COM
Distribution: alt
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunwest1.west.sun.com


	Awhile back (say, 10-15 years) there were a couple of books out on
Genesis.  I recall that one of them was entitled "Genesis: I Know What I Like"
and featured quite heavily the pictures of Armando Gallo.

	Similarly, there was another book called, I think, "Genesis: From One
Fan to Another" which followed the same format - interviews with the band,
pictures, tour info, etc.

	Anyone know where I could purchase either of these books?  They
appear to be out of print.

	thanks

	Rob
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: JOHN McGLAUGHLIN'S NEWEST
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:49:34 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.083232.26342@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> yjossa@mathlab.sunysb.edu (yuri jossa) writes:
|In article <1688EA72A.S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo) writes:
|>      I recently purchased John McGlaghlin's (excuse the horrible spelling --
|>I don't have the cd with me) (formerly of the Mahivishnu Orch) newest CD.
|>In the middle of the title track, there is a section of (Indian?) chanting,
|>which sounds a lot like demented sorcerers.
|
|Have we been watching too much TV?

Wrong John Mclaughlin.

|  I also seem to remember
|>a seminar given by the former Tonight Show's drummer concerning 'syllabic
|>vocal percussion' (or something to that effect). Is there any connection
|>here? 
 
|The part in J. Maclaughin's new CD "Que Alegria" is classical indian
|music, the sillabes are the names of the notes. 
|THe drummer/ percusionist Trilok Gurtu is indian and he is the 'lead'
|in this part,  Maclaughin does an outstanding performance of this...
|this form of music takes years to master even though it may sound like
|demented chanting to ignorant ears.
 
Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti.
There, that wasn't so hard.

|To get out of your ignorance try rec.music.indian.classical
|and buy some Ravi Shankar, L. Shankar, Ali Akbar Khan etc.

Is there any reason why you feel a need to be so condescending?  Several
people were able to answer his question (and spell John Mclaughlin's name
correctly, I might add) without claiming that Mark was ignorant because
he had not been previously exposed that that vocal technique.  

Cut the more knowledgable than thou crap.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Crimso: What happened with "USA"???
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:32:57 GMT

white@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master) writes:


>	This is actually a FAQ; it is relatively well-known that Fripp
>hates the album and does not want it released on CD.  "Asbury Park" though,
>is a good track so Fripp consented to having it put on the box set.

>	Why does Fripp hate the album?  

My theory: Fripp is not fond of live releases and was initially forced 
to release Earthbound and USA due to record company pressures. In support
of this I offer Fripp's often voiced opinions that live music "is for 
the moment" and can't be captured adequetely on tape. My personal hunch is
also that Fripp's anal-retentive perfectionist has him unable to release
something unless it's perfect - hence his hiring Jobson to overdub violin
parts Cross "messed up" on USA. And look at his inability to let the 
material lie gracefully - he insists on constantly trying to tweak it 
and re-work it. 20 years from now Fripp will probably be trying to make the
original Crimson release sound the way he's always wanted them to sound, 
and he'll never quite get there. I also suspect that Fripp has held off
on releasing live material for years because he's embarrased by his playing
on some of it and that part of his hatred of bootleggers is that they 
capture his mistakes and lack of perfection and then help share this to a 
broader audience than the original concert. I wonder if Fripp smiles or 
cringes when he hears some of his quotes from live shows in the 70's. He
comes across like such a pretentious jerk. I love his music and find great 
humor in his wit and wisdom, but if Fripp and I were trapped in an elevator
for a weekend I doubt both of us would make it out alive.  

On the other hand, Starless and Red are I think taken from live performances, 
but it's not clear to me if they were overdubbed afterwards or how much.

I seriously doubt Fripp would be releasing any of the live material he
has already or which he plans to if there wasn't such an obvious and 
extablished market for it through the years of bootleggers exploiting Fripp
and other musicians. The bottom line is one where the artist is typically
a victim of this industry. Fripp strikes me as one of the few strong willed
enough to survive the struggles within the legitimate side of the music
industry for all these years; lots of other artists would have been dead
and buried a long time ago. 

  - malcolm@wrs.com
From: swhst1+@pitt.edu (Steven W Herer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ASIA IN BOSTON?? WHEN?!
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:30:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>my understanding is that they're playing at the Bayou here in DC in a
>few days or a week. I have no info on who's in the group, tho.
>

Do you have a list of Asia's tour dates handy?  I am very interested to know
if they will be heading to Pittsburgh in the near future.  Without a newspaper
around here it is tough to get information about upcoming concerts except for
the radio announcements and this network.  Thanks for the help.
		Steve Herer
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: t_msowers@qualcomm.com (MARTHA SOWERS)
Subject: THE CURE
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:21:58 GMT

I'm a big fan of The Cure and I love Robert Smith.  If you know anything
about the Cure, I'd love to hear about it.  Also, do any of you Cure fans
know how to go about starting a Cure news group.  

Thanks,

Martha
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: FUNKY CURIOSITY
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:04:32 GMT

<MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>I can't really think of any funky prog rock tunes/ bands, so why don't you
>try posting to another group, like alt.music.alternative...

Actually I can think of quite a few, once I stop to think about it. Some of
my favorite german krautrock bands are very funky at times and still are
what I consider prog-rock-fusion. I'd say Embryo, Guru Guru and Kraan all
have some pretty funky moments, though only on a couple of lps. I was 
listening to Embryo's Surfin' on my dirve to work today, and the first
song has a jangly guitar that sounds like the same riff the Red Hot Chili
Peppers use on their first lp. Other riffs on Surfin' sound like guitar
parts from a Parliment/Funkadelic tune. But this stuff is really spacey
rock too. Another German group, Can, has some moments that one might 
consider a bit funky too. And all of the groups I've mentioned have 
metamorphised over time from early space rock stuff to lots of different
directions.  

And how about Mahavishnu John McLaughlin's "Can't Stand Your Funk" on 
the lp Visions Of The Emerald Beyond? That's one of my favorite funk
tunes, along with "Are You The One" from Electric Guitarist.  

How about Brand X? Percy's gotta be one of the funkiest bassists I can 
think of. How about some of the stuff Jannick Top has guested on? I've
got French lp where he plays cello, and it's a mix of symphonic fusion and 
funk, with tracks like Heliofunk. How about Jade Warrior's Waves, featuring
Steve Winwood, on side two where they break into a really funky part that
sounds like it's underwater? Ever heard Rupert Hine and John Perry in 
Quantum Jump? Some of their work is realy funky and borrows heavily from 
New Orlean's musician/composer/producer Allen Toussaint.  

I don't see why folks seem to get so uptight about categorizing music and 
overly concerned about what gets discussed where. Sure, it looks like
the guy probably posted to the wrong group, or maybe he was intentionally
trying to start a flame war after seeing how fun the recent Porno For Pyros
thread was. Oh well. He got me thinking, and there's certainly an element
to this thread that I see as relevant to this group - I'd be hard pressed
to define funky, but I don't think the terms funk and progressive are 
mutually exclusive unless you want to define prog rock as just Asia, Yes, 
Genesis and ELP... 

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gentle Giant - Glass House
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:21:28 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I lied - it just came out on CD.

-Mike
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Solstice? Who were the ad wizards that came up with this one?
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:16:06 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov1.075332.14176@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>I picked up "Silent Dance" by Solstice the other night. It was
>released in 1991 through the infamous "progressive records".
>
>Is this a recent release? It sounds like it was recorded in a termite
>ridden outhouse in the sierras somewhere. I could have made a better
>sounding recording in a broom closet.
>
>Mind you, the music is pretty good though, it's just the recording
>quality that's pathetic. This couldn't possibly have been a 1991
>release could it? Surely it was a reissue of an early 70s recording?

It was originally released in 84 on a very low budget in a limited ed.
of a few hundred copies. Original LPs go for about $ 70.00 up now.

If it's any consolation, the sound quality on the original LP was *really*
bad, thin and uneven. They tweaked on it in the studio for months in
preparation for the CD release.

>Anyway, I'd like some further info about this band, so if you got it,
>give it up!

Their second album is titled "New Life" (it's about time) and was recorded
this year. It's at the factory right now and should be out by the holidays
There is a new singer, but the rest of the lineup is essentially the same.
This is not a "reunion" album, these guys have been gigging regularly
since around 82, they've just not been particularly motivated by any
commercial ambitions ( i mean look at 'em - they're a bunch of hippies)

I've heard a pre-release cassette of the new one recently.
You won't be disappointed.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive