From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Re: New meaning for Peta
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:16:22 GMT

In article <Bu0yqx.G5D@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>
>Mark Pleis writes:
>mp> On this Iowa Conference thing I think that the State FFAOfficers
>mp> should make a trip to this (Myself Northeast
>mp> Vice-President)little event and help you people get your shit
>mp> straight
>mp>
>mp> Beef Real food for REAL people
>
>Russell Lawrence writes:
>rl> Is it true that the Boston Cooperative Nurses Study found a
>rl> high correlation between beef consumption and breast cancer?
>rl>
>rl> Is it true that the China Health Project found a high correlation
>rl> between meat consumption and heart disease, stroke, cancer, and
>rl> diabetes?
>
>mp> No public health organization has said that eating meat is bad.
>
>rl> Would you mind answering the questions I asked previously?
>
>From article <1992Sep3.212437.2034@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by jhoskins@mag
nus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins):
>
>jh> Will you answer a question?  Would the Chinese people who eat
>jh> limited amounts of beef, pork, chicken, and fish be healthier if
>jh> they ate none of these substances?
>
>The China Health Study found that disease increased in linear
>proportion with meat consumption, not as a step function.  As I
>recall, the Boston Cooperative Nurses study found that women who
>consumed meat just once a day were 2.49 times as likely to
>develop breast cancer as near-vegetarians.  The term,
>"near-vegetarian" was defined as an individual who consumes meat
>less than once/month.

What I'm trying to get at Mr. Lawrence is your opinion, which I value,
on whether your interpretation of these two studies leads you to conclude
that the the x,y intercept is "absolute health and well-being" and "zero
meat consumption."  I accept the linearity of the meat consumption and
health relationship, I'm curious if you believe the data warrant the
interpretation that "near-vegetarian" nurses would have less breast cancer
if they consumed no meat--ever.

As my personal observation, vegetarian friends of mine are more concerned
with other healthy lifestyle choices in addition to cutting out meat
consumption than non-vegetarians.  Again, from my experience only,
vegetarians as a group would tend to work out more, not smoke or drink
excessively and so forth...Did the study control for other lifestyle choices
other than meat consumption.  If the two study groups were not equivalent in
this manner, I'd say the study has major problems.


>
>jh> Would the sub-Saharan nomadic herding peoples be healthier if
>jh> they eliminated milk from their daily diet and the beef, goat,
>jh> and mutton they eat on average monthly?
>
>I'm unfamiliar with their diet as well as the alternative foods
>available to them.

Ok, their diet is pretty much as I've described it above.  Millet
and milk, millet and milk, millet and milk and beef, goat, or sheep
about once a month.  Aren't people talking about aliens and ghouls in
this group all the time?  Why hesitate to speculate a little bit:  The
alternative food available to the nomads is Russell Lawrence's Health Food
Store.  Your store enables them to substitute soy milk for the cow's milk.
Once a month you feed them a complete protein mixture of rice and beans.
Question: in your opinion would these people be healthier?

>jh> How much healthier would Tim Rigg of Wisconsin be if he
>jh> eliminated the venison he consumes from his diet?
>
>What were you proposing as a substitute for the deer meat?
>
>--
>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
>russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ

Tim Rigg agrees to go to your health food store and have a complete protein
meal you provide to him at every instance when he ordinarily would have
consumed venison.  He consumes no other animal based food in his diet.
Question:  in your opinion would Tim Rigg of Wisconsin be healthier with
this new diet?

I'm trying to see where you draw your lines.  Your assistance is appreciated.
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