From: sean@Unify.com (Sean P. Curley)
Subject: Re: The Nurturing Network 1-800-TNN-4MOM
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 21:45:56 GMT

How many children (emphasis on child(ish)) does it take to fill the net?

In article <1992Sep1.011343.29500@midway.uchicago.edu>, eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:
> I am reposting this article and will continue to do so until Suzanne
> Forgach either publically apologizes to me for claiming that I've lied
> to myself (about what abortion is) or publically declines to do so.
> 
> --- --- ---
> In article <1992Aug21.185107.9237@noao.edu>
> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
> >From article <+shys6=@rpi.edu>, by cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker):
> 
> >> Fine, Forgach.  I am glad that you have shown me the depths to which
> >> you'll sink, the hatefulness you'll spew to further your own agenda.
> 
> >Yeah right.  I post an article simply questioning your interpretation
> >of an event years ago, and you get all bent out of shape.
> 
> You posted an article implying rocker behaved like a stupid
> ten-year-old - a lying little ten-year-old - and she was angry with you.
> Why the heck are you surprised?
> 
> >> Never once have I given you a single indication to think I was a
> >> liar.  
> 
> >Cathi, ALL pro-choicers lie to themselves, at least a little bit, about
> >what abortion actually IS.
> 
> Gee, Suzanne, thanks for calling me a liar, too.  Have any evidence
> besides that I disagree with you wrt the worth of a z/e/f?
> 
> You know, I got a *lot* more comfortable with abortion when I started
> reading embryology books.  Something to do with myelination and how
> late in pregnancy a fetus's brain begins to be capable of significant
> functioning.
> 
> The abortion issue is one of opinion and priorities.  It's generally
> agreed that the egg and sperm don't have a full set of human DNA, that
> zygotes do, that viability occurs before birth, that most e/fs will be
> people at some time in the future (whether or not they are people
> now), that pregnancy can sometimes greatly endanger women's lives,
> that myelination takes place at 23-24 weeks, that 8 week embryos are
> recognizably humanoid, that most pregnancies conceived by rape would
> be very hard on the woman, etc., etc.  The dispute here is how much
> these various facts matter.  Even if *you* have definitive evidence
> that *your* opinions are correct ones - something I certainly do not
> believe - others are not lying to themselves by believing otherwise
> unless they have the same definitive evidence.
> 
> I want an apology, Suzanne, for your accusation that I am lying to
> myself in my belief that the most crucial step in a z/'s development
> is myelination rather than birth.  My opinion may be incorrect, but I
> arrived at it by honestly and thoroughly considering all the evidence
> I have.
> 
> --
> Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
>             Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
> 
> --- --- ---
> 
> Thanks to those patient enough to have read this far.
> 
> General note: I may be *wrong* wrt the mortality of abortion.
> However, my opinion is honest and not based on self-deception, and I
> am furious that Mrs Forgach would think she knows me better than know
> myself on this point.
> 
> -- 
> Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
>             Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
> 
> Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

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Sean P. Curley	(sean@Unify.Com)		Unify Corporation
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