From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Are Lebanese considered ARABS (J. LAWEN a LEB)
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:34:38 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1iqac5INNfuh@life.ai.mit.edu>, steel@gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.160737.10004@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>I am a Lebanese ..
>>only....  What have the Arabs done for us, except force Palestians
>>unto our land ...
> 
> OUR LAND?  From the article you just posted on soc.culture.jewish,
> you show that YOU ARE A PALESTINIAN YOURSELF. Your family
> migrated form Occupied Palesitne a couple of generations ago to Lebanon.
> 
In the article in SCJ, I suggested that my family migrated from
Israel (or Palestine, what ever name you want to use),
5 or 6 generations ago, implying that I might
be of Jewish origin.  LAWEN might be a derivation of 'Levi', the family clang
of Mosses.  Is there anything wrong coming from the holly land?  
This is only a suggestion.  People did migrate and become part of the
population long ago.  AND NOT THE OCCUPIED PALESTINE...get your facts
straight.  

The Palestinians, I think want to gather pitty from the world.
Who is forcing them to live in refuge camps.  The PLO and the
Arab Legue (and other wealthy Arab nations), have enough money
to house these Palestinians anywhere they please.  The PLO and the
Palestinians have other intentions. (ie...with Israel).
 
THEY rebuilt Kuwait in 2-3 months....Palestinian Politics is not
up to me to decide...Lebanese Politics IS.

  
> The above people you are calling strangers to Lebanon are
> more Lebanese than you.  At least they are of Palestinian blood, but
> born on the SOIL of Lebanon, but you are of a Palestinian blood,
> but born in Canada.
> 
EXCUSE me....no one is more Lebanese than I am.  My family and I have invested
more time and effort into Lebanon, than anyone I know.  If it wasn't for people
like us, returning ever 2-3 years, spending our vacations there, learning the
culture, becoming and understanding the people, helping families get back
onto their feet......we have NOT deserted the homeland.  Most people who leave
NEVER go back.  What a shame, eh?  It is the most beautifull place on earth,
even today...The bombed buildings, dirty streets etc do not have anything to
do with its beauty.  It is the people of Lebanon, made up of the vast majority
of religions...that give its beauty.....Even on your way home from the
airport, that stinking smell has a sweet aroma to it.....a place you 
can call home....strangers coming up to you and welcoming you home
"Hammdallah ghal al-salammeee"

Who the hell are you mr. jle to say that these people are more Lebanese
than I am.  You have the nerve....HA (What does your initials stand for?)

Most of them do not want to be Lebanese.  They are the Palestinians,
and want to be Palestinians, and NOT Lebanese.  It is not up to me
to decide if we should except them to becoming Lebanese.  The Armin
population in Beirut were given citizenship.  It is up to the Lebanese
government to decide.  I might have been born in CANADA,
but my soul was born in LEBANON.  


> I guess they have the right to say OUR LAND more than you.
> 
They can say what they please, No one has the rite to say "OUR LAND"
more than I.

> Besides, the Palestinians are not made out of arabic tribal blood,
> nor  they are all muslims.  You are a perfect example of a Palestinians.
>  
A perfect example of a Palestinian....haha....as if God himself put
two diverse peoples in the same neighbourhood.  We are all of the
same origins.....but presently I AM LEBANESE, and YES the Palestinians
are my far distint cousins, maybe.  Who knows, maybe my great,great,great
grandmother was of Irish orgin...what do you think?

> You said: your family came from Isarel a couple of generations
> ago, we only disagree on the term you call the land of your folks.
> 
CORRECTION:  My family might have come from Israel 5-6 generations 
ago or maybe even longer...MIGHT HAVE.
We DISAGREE on many things....
YES it is the land of my folks.....
My greatgrand father didn't spend hard-acking labour in the states, and
elsewhere to buy land in Lebanon, lots of land, to grow olive trees,
to grow wheat to feed his family
...for someone like you and others to take it away.

> jle

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.  Facts don't hold though. 
Perhaps you were mistakened.  Sorry about the misunderstanding.


John LAWEN

P.S.  What nationality are you of?  Just curious...I cannot presume anything
around here....