From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: Re: You had to encourage me... (formerly: Let me state my view...)
Originator: jjprice@c00076-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:26:06 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.094418.26919@wam.umd.edu>, judi@wam.umd.edu (Jay T Stein - you can't prove otherwise; it must be me) writes:

|>What: <1993Jan7.233902.5458@ncsu.edu>
|>Who:  jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
|>
|>>1. A fetus is a human being were as life begins at conception...you
|>>   can't prove otherwise so it must be true.
|>
|>*rolls his eyes*
|>
|>I can't prove otherwise, so it must be true?  Oh, geez.
|>
|>Elvis is alive on Mars.  There are exactly 223 chemical elements.  You will
|>be hit by a crazed toddler on a tricycle in your lifetime.  In a previous
|>life, I was Paul Revere's horse (gratuitous straight line to see who will
|>sink to the cheap shot).  Cats have souls.  You can't prove otherwise, so...
|>
|>Really, Mr. Price, where *are* you coming from here?
|>
Every one thought Columbus was crazy because he thought the world was
round and you think I'm crazy because life begins at conception.BTW Elvis
is alive.Are you willing to kill 1.5 million people based on your 
reasoning...I sure as hell aren't...each fetus is a unique individual
and has a unique genetic code(twins are twins) that will not
happen again it is an endangered species and 1.5 million are being made
extinct each year.

|>>2. A person has a right to do whatever they wish so long as they don't
|>>   infringe upon another person...now the baby is using the body of the
|>>   mother we can say it may be removed...BUT...this will result in the
|>>   death of the fetus. So the lesser of the 2 evils must be followed and
|>>   the life of the fetus is more imp. than the choice of the mother...in
|>>   the event of life threating situation both lives are equal and it is 
|>>   then a personal choice.
|>
|>Define "life-threatening."  Immediate, 100% chance of death?  50%?  10?
|>And besides, you have not established personhood of the fetus.
|>
A preknown condition or one that arises during pregnancy that may cripple-
kill the mother and is not due to the normal strains of childbirth.

|>[Conclusion based on faulty premises deleted]
|>
|>>   Somalia OK because we are trying to save
|>>   lives even if we do end up killing a few...
|>
|>So you're in favor of killing babies born without a brain stem for organs,
|>then, since by actively killing one baby we can give life to many more?
|>
If the baby has no brain than apparently it cannot function as a human 
and lacks the ability to develop a brain yes I would agree.

|>Oh, Doooooooug.... Suzaaaaaaane... might you want to respond to Mr. Price
|>here?
|>
|>>   The same with abortion of course
|>>   a few women will die perfoming illegal abortions but we will save many more.
|>
|>Thus proving that fetuses are more important than women.
|>
no a fetus is not more important just As important.

|>I don't mean this as a flame, but I recognize that there is no way to say it
|>without it sounding like one.  So be it:
|>
Don't worry I welcome flames anyways yours doesn't seem like one.

|>It seems that most every time you post, you bury yourself ever deeper in a
|>pit of faulty logic, emotionalism and really perverted conclusions such as
|>the above.  Your views could use a major logic overhaul.

THat does but thanks for the advise...:-)
|
-- 
-Jeffrey Price
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