HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mary Hart)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Services - worth it ?
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:10:07 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Definitely worth it!

I never rinsed diapers (just dumped out large solids.)  They give you a
little deodorizer to put in the pail- there was really no smell to speak
of.  

The cost of diaper service was about 1/2 the cost of disposables (which
I used with my older son.)  The cost varies, of course, with different
companies, with different kids, different parents.  (I know parents who 
made a point of using 3 diapers a day, and not changing unless the
diaper was *really* wet or the child had pooped.)

Environmentally speaking, I felt good about using cloth rather than
disposables, and that was worth a lot to me.

Diaper service size diapers began to get a little skimpy toward the end
of the diaper-wearing period.  They will probably be just fine for the
first 1.5 years.

Good luck-

Mary Hart
mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Question on Growth Spurts and ADHD symptoms
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Nov7.034100.8690
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL

A question I forgot to ask in my previous post and also
at the ADD seminar I attended is this:

Do major growth spurts worsen ADHD symptoms?

My son seems to be acting up a lot more than he did
last spring.  At first we attributed it to the stress
of a non-cosnstant summer routine (he alternated between
three summer day camps), then adjustment to a new
teacher and classroom routine.  But school started
2 months ago and it seems like he ought to be settling
down by now and he isn't.  He's still bouncy, moody,
and impulsive -- more so than in the spring (though
not so bad that anyone but me is wondering whether he
has ADD).

But he's also grown tremendously (height and bulk both) in
the last several months.  I can't pinpoint exactly when this growth
occurred, but last winter he was wearing size 7/8 sweats/jeans
and size 8 tops.  Now he's in size 10 jeans, and
size 10-12 tops (Tshirt size 10-12 is too snug).
And his feet have grown from size 13.5 to 2.5.  I'm
not sure of exactly how much height and poundage
he's gained (he's somewhere around 50" and 70 lbs),
but he no longer looks like a "little" boy.
(When I go into his room to wake hom up in the morning,
I keep having these starts of "who put this near-teenager
in my little boy's bed?")  He's always had a very solid
"football player" build.  And he's lost 7 baby teeth
in the last year, most in the past few months.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: soberg@think.com (Stephanie Oberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Summary on breech baby ideas
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:03:27 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com


I posted last week about my baby being breech at 37 weeks and what I could
do to turn the baby and avoid a C-section.  Many people responded (thank
you all for your good wishes!).  I thought misc.kidders might like to see
a brief summary of responses:

1)  Acupuncture at 39 weeks caused fetal activity but failed to turn

2)  Suggestions on doctor shopping for breech specialist

3)  Two successful version accounts

4)  Wait for turn and do not attempt turning because of risks

5)  Risks of breech birth including maternal death and broken pelvis

6)  Recommendation of a doctor skilled in breech births

7)  Two recommendations to prepare for C-section

8)  A referral to the Maternal and Child Health Center in Cambridge, 
    Massachusetts (they put out a great list of Boston-area childbirth care
    providers, especially midwives and doulas)

9)  Three recommendations to stop putting pressure on myself to have a natural
    birth

and my personal favorite...

10)  Try the "ironing board" posture.  (I did and it worked!  Now the pressure
    to have a C-section is off!)

A little more detail on the ironing board:  place one end on a raised 
surface, the other on the floor.  **On an empty stomach**, lie on the board
with your head down for about 10 minutes.  Your hips should be 9 to 12 
inches above your head, and you will probably feel short of breath and 
nauseated from all the pressure.  Repeat this several times per day until
the baby turns.

I didn't feel an actual somersault going on, but I went in the next day for
a manual version and the baby was innocently back in the vertex position.
There was a lot of motion after the ironing board posture, however, so I
guess it's quite possible for the baby to turn without the mother feeling
anything definite.  The doctor said that the ultrasound showed a fair 
amount of fluid, and that may have helped the turning.

I am thrilled that my baby is back head down!  To make sure is stays that
way, I am doing an orientation check every morning.  If I don't feel the
head in the right position, I will call my birth center and most likely 
get the ironing board back out.  (Several respondents did mention that
some babies keep flipping right up until delivery.)

My midwives suggested two other postures:  one on all fours, with head on
floor, doing pelvic tilts;  the other to lie on the floor with hips raised
9 to 12 inches with pillows.  I fould both of these postures more difficult
to maintain than the ironing board, but they might work well for others.

Of course, don't take my advice without discussing it with your caregiver.

Thanks again everybody!

-- 

sojourner
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hearing baby's heartbeat at 9 weeks??
Summary: sonogram
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:04:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T


My first "pregnancy" ob visit was when I was 8 weeks pregnant.
They did not try to listen for the hearbeat since it's
doubtful you can hear it.  But they did do a sonogram, yes,
at my first visit, at 8 weeks pregnant.  And we *SAW* the
heartbeat.  Not to mention seeing the peanut-looking embryo.
Easy way to confirm pregnancy too.  It was great!

Don't worry about not hearing the heartbeat.  I think at my
2nd visit they listened and heard it, like 12-13 weeks maybe (?).

Christine
first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
From: pt@hpsemc.cup.hp.com (Perry Taidi)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:07:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Don't Spank!
Organization: HP VAB Programs
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Incongruent discipline philosophies (Was: Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:43:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<25769@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <1992Nov6.180340.8580@bcrka451.bnr.ca>
	<4893@crl.LABS.TEK.COM>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: misc.kids

In article <4893@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
 > In article <1992Nov6.180340.8580@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
 > Is it "better" to believe in spanking and only use it in a rational manner
 > when other methods fail, or is it "better" to _not_ believe in spanking and 
 > use it in a moment of anger?

I expect everybody would agree that it's best, when you have a clear
opinion on something, to live accordingly.  But human beings are
emotional and don't always succeed in living according to their
beliefs.

I think that the case you raised is perhaps a bit loaded.  What I mean
by this is: take the question, "Is it morally acceptable to do X?"
where X can be spanking or just about any other moral question you can
imagine.  Some people will say "No," and those people will be seen as
hypocrites should they ever break down and do X despite their beliefs.
Some other people will say "Yes," and those people will not be seen as
hypocrites if they do X, and even if they don't choose to do X for
whatever reason.  The moral high-ground should not automatically be
given to one side when the other acts hypocritical, because the
non-hypocrites may simply be exempt from hypocrisy by definition.

What I'd conclude from this is that one should not let fear of being a
hypocrite keep one from holding onto a particular belief.  On the one
hand, if you think it's wrong to do X and then find yourself doing it,
and especially if this happens multiple times, perhaps it's time to
reevaluate your philosophy about X.  But if you still decide that you
don't believe in doing X, then you just have to accept your having
done it as a human failing.  And you might have to accept being called
a hypocrite.  And you should try to find ways to keep from doing it in
the future.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:40:37 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR

In article <1decdqINN9oq@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge) writes:
|> 
|> Need some helpful hints:  How do all of you
|> manage working full time, cooking, doing
|> laundry, picking up, dropping off, ( also
|> have a 9YO stepdaughter who lives with us)
|> and still have time for sleep?
                           ^^^^^

What's that??  Seriously, it takes time and over the past several years I
have had several different schedules.  One thing I found handy was I did
a load of laundry every day: whites on Monday, towels on Tuesday, dark
clothes on Wednesday, etc.  One negative thing with this schedule is it takes
all week to get the laundry done.  But with a baby, laundry is a never-ending
job anyway :-).  When Andrea was a baby, I also washed her clothes at least 
everyother day; and when possible, I washed them with the regular load. 
I also have a husband who does ALL the grocery shopping and cooking (I get to 
clean up his mess afterwards but at least it beats having to do it all).

Your stepdaughter should certainly be able to help with keeping things picked
up.  Andrea, at age 6, helps a lot in that area.  

It is not a easy job, but one well worth it IMHO!!!

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
From: gwynne@stein.u.washington.edu (Kristan Geissel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids names for food (wqas Cute things they say)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:55:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.165529.24028
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

One year, my parents took my then- 3 year old daughter to our state fair.
They reported that Gwynne spent the whole morning asking for soft ice cream.
In the afternoon, AFTER lunch, they broke down and got her a soft ice cream
cone.  She burst into tears and asked brokenheartedly why they wouldn't get
her some soft ice cream.  They took the wise grandparents' way and walked
around with her until she could point out "soft ice cream".  She finally
had her dream come true and ended up with COTTON CANDY.  I have no clue as
to the logic used in her naming it  "soft ice cream" but that was its name
for the longest time.

Kristan
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Things they do (15mo)--Elvis!
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:42:44 GMT
Organization: The Software Sweatshop, Cleveland, Ohio USA


My 15mo daughter Adele has been exposed to large doses of WCLV
(classical) and WMJI (oldies) since her _in_utero_ days.  Lately I've
been picking out "All Shook Up" on the piano to Adele's swaying,
giggling, and clapping.  Judy reports that Adele now bops ecstatically
and says "Da-da!" whenever 'MJI plays an Elvis Presley tune.

                      "I RAISED ELVIS'S UFO BABY"  :-)


(Adele naturally also digs the Cleveland Orchestra.)

--
Mark W. Schumann/3111 Mapledale Avenue/Cleveland, Ohio 44109-2447 USA
Domain: mark@whizbang.wariat.org                      CIS: 73750,3527
"We're not nuts or anything; I mean *I'm* not nuts." <whizbang!judy>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnson@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Patti Johnson)
Subject: Re: I dislocated his arm!
Summary: kids ARE fragile
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:10:09 GMT

> 
> Mom on the other hand still feels terrible :-(.  So I guess I am posting
> this as a warning to other parents to be carefull when lifting a child
> by his arms (or swinging him around or whatever).  I was certainly not
> trying to hurt my little guy, and it all happenned so quickly and easily!
> 
> -- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan 19 months and ?? Due 5/6/93)
> 

Susan... don't I know how that guilt feels!  I had the opposite 
happen to me.  My son & I were at the rec park & he decided to
try the monkey bars.  I was quickly behind him & upon getting there
thought o put down my coke.  He was barely on the first bar as I
turned to stand underneath - just in case.  While I was turning, 
there he went... to the ground.  My immediate reaction, tho, was 
not to do anything like throw out my hands.  Bad reaction?  NO!
I knew the ground was softer than those bars within a foot behind 
him that I might have knocked him into if I put my hands out &
caught him the wrong way.  It was all in the angle of where I 
was standing... very likely could have hurt him more trying to 
catch him & inadvertantly flipping him or pushing or whatever.
He wound up barely fracturing (not a broken bone but a 'green'
break) his arm.  My guilt was nevertheless there.  "Could I have
prevented him getting his arm broken?"  I doubt it since I've
had a lotta time to reflect... as I have already explained.  The
thing that still bothers me tho is not being there fast enough,
even tho I was right behind him.  Guess we'll all face that once
in a while.  Accidents do happen!
			patti
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Re: Diapers and the Environment
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:19:23 GMT

In <1dru0bINNpe7@gap.caltech.edu> ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil) writes:


> Somebody mentioned considering affects of sewage created by washing
> diapers - in most cases, these affects would be minimal.  Sewage
> systems are designed to handle, er, excrement - that's their job.

[... remainder of good analysis deleted for brevity ...]

The issue for sewage isn't the fecal wastes in the diapers, which, as
you correctly point out, the systems are designed to handle. It is
simply the added volume of water put into the sewage system by washing
all that extra laundry.  Given proper sewage treatment this isn't per
se an environmental problem, but rather an economic one --- it forces
the construction of larger sewage treatment plants to handle the extra
demand.  But given an at-capacity plant, increasing load becomes an
environmental issue to the extent that it forces the plant into
overload status, in which case some of the treatment is bypassed and
partially-treated sewage is released.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Subject: Single Parents Avoiding Spanking
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:09:41 GMT

>In article <1992Nov4.201237.12784@u.washington.edu> gwynne@stein.u.washington.edu (Kristan Geissel) writes:
>>What are the ways that single parents out there take the time to come
>>back from the brink of hitting their child?  
>>
>>Kristan
>>gwynne@u.washington.edu
>
Good question! I don't believe in hitting children, but having had
the sole physical custody of a child for a year now, since she was
10 months old, I have experienced tremendous amounts of frustration and
have struggled not to vent that frustration upon my child. Things
I do to come back from the brink:

1. Avoid the brink in the first place. I try to make the time (and
find the money for babysitting) to get out by myself or with a 
friend once a week. This helps me to avoid the feeling of being
imprisoned in parenthood, which can happen when you can't leave
your child unattended because no one else is there to watch them.
I appreciate my daughter more and have much higher tolerance for
the dark side of parenting.

2. When I feel the frustration building up, I ask myself what I'm
*really* mad about. I'm usually angry that I have no outlet or
escape from a tantrumy child. I remind myself that it's not fair
to vent upon my child when I'm angry about something else (not
being able to find a babysitter, etc.).

3. I walk away from the situation. If my daughter is having a tantrum
or is just being unusually difficult, I tell her I don't want to
be around her when she's like that, and I walk out of the room.
This brings her around very quickly. She comes running up to me,
I give her a hug, and all is well until the next hurdle.

4. Allow yourself to express emotions in front of your child. If
you're frustrated to the point of tears, cry! Then kids know it's
okay to express emotions. If you're angry, find an appropriate
way to express anger. I try things like, "Georgia, I am SO frustrated
right now! I need you to get dressed!"

5. If I'm feeling out of control, 
I ask someone to come over. If I can't get someone to come over,
I take Georgia somewhere--to the park, to a friend's place, to
Taco Bell. This diffuses the frustration on both sides, and my daughter 
is usually an absolute angel at other people's homes.

6. Allow yourself to make mistakes and "forgive" yourself. I have
slapped my daughter's hands a couple of times and yelled some things
I regretted yelling. At first, I kept a tally of all these
horrible things I did, as if I wereon trial. I began to doubt myself. 
But I allow my
daughter to make mistakes without beating her up verbally or physically,
and we parents should allow ourselves to make mistakes as we learn
to become parents. Now that I am kinder to myself, I feel that I
am a better, less frustrated, mother. 

Long post! 

Janine
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Child Security and Childcare (was Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:12:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.162913.12710@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Mark Wuest <mdw@trumpet.att.com> writes:
>
>There is a toddler (~18 mo) who's parents just started visiting our church
>4 weeks ago.  His first day in class was ok - his aunt dropped him off,
>he cried a couple of minutes, and then played with the rest of the kids.
>
>The next week, he was what we call a "screamer".  We had his aunt go
>around the corner to wait a few minutes to see if he would stop crying.
>He didn't.  In fact, he was so upset he threw up (he wasn't sick).  We
>got his aunt, he stopped.  He stayed with her.  I start worrying about
>his homelife but don't tell anyone.
>
>Next week went ok - he would stay, but someone had to hold him the
>entire time.
>
>Last week, real progress.  He was content to follow the teacher around
>and cry for about 10 seconds every 10 minutes or so.  Generally happy!
>
>Yesterday, he was a screamer again.  He threw up.  His parents wanted him
>to stay in class to learn to socialize with other children, so we let them
>stay with him (I know what I said about the policy...).  He puttered
>around with the toys and seemed happy.  Afterwords, my wife and I spoke
>to the church's head Children's ministry honchette, Joyce.  I told her
>about my fears that any kid *that* insecure must have *something* wrong
>going on at home.  While she didn't dismiss my concerns, she mentioned
>that often kids learn to do things like make themselves sick, hold their
>breath, (other radical things) to be manipulative and get what they want
>(the attention of his parents in this case).
>
>I thought of other explanations:  The child had a real bad experience
>in some other child-care facility.  The child has never been left
>anywhere by the parents (true in this particular instance, BTW).
>
>Any other ideas?  Solutions?

Let me get this straight:  You think that an 18mo who has never been
left anywhere by his parents before is abnormal if he screams/wants
to be held?  A child this young is only just getting the hang of how
people come back after they leave, and this particular child has not 
had much opportunity to verify this experimentally for himself.  Some
kids are by temperment insecure and uncomfortable in new situations,
no matter how loving a home they come from.  Please, try to avoid 
making judgements about upbringing based on the behaviour of one so
young in who finds himself in a very challenging situation.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
From: barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:05:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sq.1992Nov12.160542.15722
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada

In article <1992Nov11.222337.27458@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.213616.2227858@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.001634.8940@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>>>
>>>                               .... YOu seem to think it odd that I wonder
>>>where David Shackelford is coming from with these posts. I think it is 
>>>important. 
>>
>>One of the problems I have noticed with this group is that we are long on
>>memories of inflammatory posts and short on memories of supportive posts.
>>Anyone who has been at the flame end of the net will understand what I mean.

[Lots of stuff deleted]
>

>Sorry, Judy, I can't think of dozens of insightful posts from Alan.  I
>can hardly think of one.  But then again, I don't lump David into the
>same group as Alan Y.  
>
>No label from me.  I find you perfectly delightful.  No, really!
>Sometimes I read your posts and think, "I can't believe she wrote
>that!  I'd never admit to feeling that way!"  Or "I can't believe that
>someone thinks that!"  Still, that doesn't keep me from getting useful
>information from your posts.  I don't agree with everything you say,
>but I never doubt your sincerity.

	Ditto.


					|  
					|  Some people march
					|  to a different drummer
Barbara 				|  Some people Polka!
					|
From: sll@bellcore.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tourettes Syndrome
Keywords: Tourettes
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: sll@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore

I'm looking for some experiences people have had dealing with Tourettes
Syndrome.  My 10 year old nephew has just been diagnosed as having Tourettes.
I would be interested in what type of symptoms the folks with Tourettes
have, and which if any medications people have tried, and what were the results.


E-mail directly to me is fine.
Thanks for any info - advice!

Sharon
sll@bellcore.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:27917 alt.parents-teens:1314 alt.kids-talk:1126
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.parents-teens,alt.kids-talk
Subject: Any interest in a Big Brother/Big Sister mailing list ?
Keywords: big brother big sister mentor
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:11:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov6.191149.25559
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

I'd like to know if their is any interest if I started
a 'Big Brother/Big Sister/Mentor' mailing list ? From my
original post asking about BB/BS 10 people have replied.

(to the kids in alt.kids-talk, I would like to here from you,
your ideas would be very welcome).

-pete

Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com