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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: IndyCar/Nazareth:  "Style and grace" -- NOT!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:01:33 GMT

Howdy!
	I got a different impression of Michael's acceptance of
his 2nd place finish ... seemed kinda whiny to me.

	He complained the final yellow was too long -- giving Rahal
the extra low--speed laps necessary to stretch that last fillup to
the end.  He admitted it was his call to pit for the final (3rd stop)
fillup -- but "the crew coulda waved me off -- they didn't have to fill
me up."  Sheesh!

	He was probably really disappointed at the time; and maybe I've
become "repetitively-conditioned" to expect it; but Michael didn't say
one decent thing about the fact his crew got the engine to hang the 
whole distance, that they got him out a lap up on Emmo on that previous
stop, they got him the pole, etc.  Hmmm ... forgetting where your
bread is buttered, Michael?

	Actually, I'm a blue-oval-fan; I was disappointed that Michael
handled the post-race interview so poorly.  I took heart that all the
XB's finished!  Was Cheever the only Ganassi car entered?
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From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:37:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Sep30.193756.6248
Organization: AT&T

In article <29SEP199214105985@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>> 
>Oh please Toby, he said he is tired of risking his life for third. This
>seems like a pretty honest opinion to me. The various Prost shennanigans
>serve only one purpose: to try to win the championship off the track before
>the season even starts. Prost has realized that the only way he can be
>champion is to beat Senna and the only way to beat Senna is through 
>mechanical advantage and/or pyschological trickery.

sorry, but i disagree with you there.  in fact, prost doesn't want
to drive with senna because of his past experiences with him.
prost is tired of risking his life putting up with senna as a
teammate...can't say i blame him there.  and besides, the
way prost WILL be champion is by driving a williams next year.
i don't imagine that senna had any mechanical advantage LAST
year, did he?

i do indeed hope that it's more competitive than this year...
perhaps mclaren and benetton will make significant improvements...

>If you are looking for something to respect, then respect the way Senna
>smoked Brundle on route to a third despite 1 extra (and slow) pit stop
>than the rest of the feild. This is the reason they call it *MOTOR SPORT*
>and not *BEAUTY PAGEANT*. Respect Mansell for being world champion, repsect
>Prost & Senna for being 3 time world champions. Disrespect AMF for being
>also-rans, got it ?
>

respecting senna smoking brundle is kinda like respecting
somebody for passing decesaris.  i'd expect it from someone who
commands his salary and drives mclaren iron.  i'm not too
sure about brundle's talent after that bonehead maneuver
which detached his teammate's wing...

indeed, it should be MOTOR SPORT.  it's not too much to
ask for these guys to act like sportsmen.  it certainly
isn't a beauty pageant (;-)  ...i respect the driving
skills of these guys very highly...but they significantly
detract from their own public image with their behaviors
(sometimes on the track, sometimes off.)  

duane
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:32:37 GMT

Drivers:

1. Al Unser Jr.
2. Alain Prost
3. Michael Andretti
4. Nigel Mansell
5. Rick Mears

Circuits:

1. Indianapolis - Speedway, IN
2. Road America - Elkhart Lake, WI
3. Milwaukee - West Allis, WI

Rob U    not :-)
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:17:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvD1wM.FDA
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:

>tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padenstein) writes... 
>>	Senna is an unbelievable hypocrite!!!!!!!! He has said that if he
>>doesn't have a chance to win, he won't drive next year. He has a right to
>>refuse to drive what he believes will be an inferior car (in the '93 McLaren
>>MP4/8), but to cry about Prost and his supposed no-Senna clause is outrageous!
>>All of this from the man who vetoed Warwick from Lotus!!!!!!!! I have practi-
>>cally no respect for him anymore, or Mansell for that matter! But, then again,
>>what will my opinion mean in a week??? Oh, well, I'd pay to drive the AMF!!!!!
>> 
>> 
>>All of that may have exceeded my $0.02,
>>TOBY...
>> 
>Oh please Toby, he said he is tired of risking his life for third. This
>seems like a pretty honest opinion to me. The various Prost shennanigans
>serve only one purpose: to try to win the championship off the track before
>the season even starts. Prost has realized that the only way he can be
>champion is to beat Senna and the only way to beat Senna is through 
>mechanical advantage and/or pyschological trickery.
>If you are looking for something to respect, then respect the way Senna
>smoked Brundle on route to a third despite 1 extra (and slow) pit stop
>than the rest of the feild. This is the reason they call it *MOTOR SPORT*
>and not *BEAUTY PAGEANT*. Respect Mansell for being world champion, repsect
>Prost & Senna for being 3 time world champions. Disrespect AMF for being
>also-rans, got it ?

>George

	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	(That was me being engulfed by the inferno!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

TOBY...
From: dbak@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Douglas Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Keywords: F1 guys can do it .....
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:01:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

In article <1992Sep30.024428.290@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.141349.10377@schbbs.mot.com> CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
>>that took out the GMs (Great Machines) :-( and left the Fords (Boo, Hiss!)
>>Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
>>"I think that I shall never see,
>>A driver as great as Number 3!"
>--
>uuh, excuse me ... uh...BBAAARRRFFFFFF!
>
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 I also agree BBAAAAAARRRRRRFFFFFF!   You Must be Bilnd !!!!!! 
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Max Mosley Interview
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 23:04:33 GMT

> lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira) writes:
>> Besides Mosley is up for reelection so if
>> people did not like him, they could replace him!

MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson) writes:
> This reminds me:  the column by "Effe Juan" in the October 2 issue of
> /On Track/ made passing reference to JMB having changed his mind and
> deciding to stand again for the presidency of FISA.  Would somebody
> with definite information please tell me that this is a joke?
> Please??

According to the not-quite-latest-Autosport, Balestre was going to run
against Mosley if he won the FFSA presidency (which he did), but he
apparently decided that there was insufficient time to campaign.  As I
recall, Mosley was going to be unopposed for a second term...

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Lime Rock Trivia
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.230852.9362@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@balltown.cma.com (richard welty) writes:
> among
>other things, it contains a wealth of trivia about the Park, which leads
>me to begin posting a series of trivia questions.

although given only two responses (one from greg rickes), i'm not sure
how long it will continue.

>what was the name of the Cornell University employee
>who contributed significantly to the road courses at watkins glen
>and lime rock park?

Bill Milliken, head of the Cornell Aeronautical Laboratory

>  what corner of the original watkins glen road
>course was named for him, and what did he do there that caused it
>to be named after him?

Millken's Bend, where he rolled his Bugatti during one of the
early Watkins Glen Grand Prix races in the late 40s.

>who was the first driver to officially lap lime rock in
>under 1 minute?

Sam Posey, in a McLaren-Chevy, in 1967, with a lap time of 58.0 seconds.
later that year, Skip Barber took the record down to 56.3 seconds.

>who brought the person referenced in question 1 into
>the lime rock park project?

why, none other than John Fitch

>  what major highway safety innovation
>did this person later develop?

the Fitch Inertial Safety Barrier (which are those yellow
barrels you see in front of the guard rail on highways anywhere
lanes divide.)

>  what sports car company is this
>person now a director of?

Consulier

>what was the make of the first car to flip in the downhill
>turn at lime rock?

VW Bug

>  what was the make of the first car to flip in
>big bend at lime rock?

Triumph TR-2

>who was the chief steward for the first race at lime rock?

Henryk Szamota

>what is he doing today?

grand imperial poobah of the New York Region, SCCA

>what kind of car won the first race at lime rock park?

an Alfa Romeo Giuletta, driven by Ted Spriggs

> what
>the fastest lap on the first race day at lime rock,

1:10.4

> who drove
>the car,

Walt Hansgen

> and what kind of car was it?

a D-type Jaguar, owned by Briggs Cunningham

the winner of this round is the only entrant; they receive
10 points (in emulation of F1), which might be an insurmountable
lead if the contest continues.  of course, they only knew that
John Fitch was prominent at Lime Rock, and that he invented
the Fitch barrier.

cheers,
  richard
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From: marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Portugal
Organization: Dept. Informatik, ETH Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:56:16 GMT

In article <1aqem1INNi2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Richard Banks) writes:
|>I was just doing my work when suddenly this thought popped into my mind:
|>In 1992 at the Portugal Grand Prix, Mansell has perfect pit stop, the
|>crew does their job and gets him out with no problems.
|>Then Patrese pits and something goes wrong on his left rear.
|>I'm not accusing anyone, but I wonder if a Williams member purposely
|>disabled the air jack?  The air jacks worked fine for Mansell.

Actually, I believe that the Williams crew member in question was bribed
by Gerhard Berger so that he had a chance to overtake Riccardo ...
Judging by some of the posts concerning the Berger-Patrese incident,
I am surprised noone else worked this one out before.  (I don't quite
know if I should put a smiley face here.)

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From: usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mansells quits F1 !!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:00:06 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

Newsflash: Nigel Mansell quits F1 by the end of the 92 season.

He is considering a ride in the Indy Cars.

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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: SCCA Trans Am in Columbus, Ohio!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.180922.21427@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell) writes:
> According to this morning's Columbus Dispatch, the SCCA have agreed to
> bring the SCCA Trans Am series to Columbus, May 21-23, 1993.  The race
> will be on a 1.8 mile temporary course to be constructed on the Ohio
> State Fairgrounds.  It will be great to see racing in Columbus again,
> even though the Fairgrounds can't hope to duplicate the atmosphere of
> the downtown course that was used for IMSA's Columbus 500 until 1988.
> 
> I have mixed emotions about this date, however.  It's pretty close to
> both Indy and the MidOhio IMSA weekend.  That's quite a strain on the
> race spectating budget in one month!
> 
>                                           nrc@cbnews.att.com

This is great news. I was really depressed when this silly town let
the IMSA race leave town.
-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.144738.7527@DIALix.oz.au> ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig) writes:
..
>Patrese was determined to draft pass Berger this lap.

my take on this is that while i've never seen much of this in F1,
the moves just before the incident looked _exactly_ like indycar
action where the lead driver is trying to break a draft and the
trailing driver is trying to hold onto it.

of course, it also looked like berger was heading for the pits.
however, i don't know why berger couldn't have put a hand up once
he was out of the corner and in the straight.  oh well.

richard
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From: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Subject: Re: Portugal and Schumacher (SPOILER!!)
Reply-To: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI, Germany
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:27:55 GMT

In article <BvBM4t.9p3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:
|> 
|> 	Does anyone have the OFFICIAL results of the Portuguese G.P.????
|> I saw on ESPN and from people on r.a.s that Alboreto was 6th and Schu was
|> 7th, but on the last lap, a Benetton passed Alboreto, and almost caught up   
|> to Mansell. Brundle was only a few seconds behind Senna, who finished quite
|> a long way behind Mansell on the track. So, as I saw it, it looked like
|> Schumacher finished in 6th. IF someone knows better (like that Benetton was
|> Brundle, or Schu was a lap down to Albo) I would appreciate it very much...

I did not recognize who was the Benetton driver, but Heinz Prueller,
who comments the F1 races on ORF2 (Austrian TV) said it was Brundle
who was a lap behind.

Reinhard Schoen
(who, of course, is a Schumacher fan)
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: FYI - F1 points
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:32:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct5.195830.5960@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer) writes:
>F 1 Standings as of 05-oct-1992
>(Albuquerque Journal)
>
>10.	Andrea de Cesaris	Tyrrell-Ilmor		  6

        5, by my calculation.  Probably just a misprint.

>11.	Erik Comas		Ligier-Renault		  5

        4, by my calculation.  Probably just a misprint.

>12.	Ivan Capelli		Ferrari			  3
>12.	Karl Wendlinger		March-Ilmor		  3

        Although both of these drivers have earned three points,
        Wendlinger got his by a 4th place finish, while Capelli
        has a 5th and a 6th. As such I believe Wendlinger would
        be classified ahead of Capelli (on 4th-place finishes).

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From: eliot@engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: 1988 Honda F1 turbo engine book
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:53:05 GMT


I received a couple of requests to post the information on a book that I
had which went into great lengths on fuel temperature used in the 1988
McLaren Hondas.  The name of the book is:

	McLaren Honda Turbo
	A Technical Appraisal

written by Ian Bamsey

US Publisher's address:

	Haynes Publications inc.
	861 Lawrence Drive, Newbury Park,
	CA 91320

ISBN 0-85429-840-1


Here are some excerpts:

At max power, the intake air was held at 40 deg C while fuel was at 25
deg C.  The engine produced 685 hp at a fuel consumption rate of 231
grams per hp per hour.

At max fuel economy, the intake air was 70 deg C; fuel was at 80 deg C
and output was 620 hp with consumption at 200 grams per hp per hour.

The entire development history of this stunning engine is described in
detail.

I believe that the author writes or edits the magazine RACECAR ENGINEERING.
There are 96 pages, lots of color and b/w photos and the one or two chapters
on how Honda engineered the turbo engine makes the book worthwhile reading.
Recommended for techno freaks.  I got the book as a present, so I don't
know how much it costs, but I think I have come across it in mail order
catalogs for 20 odd bucks or so.

eliot



	
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From: martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen)
Subject: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:41:17 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

I haven't seen a discussion about this yet, so please what do you
think about this frightening incident between Berger and Patrese ?
Luckily noone has been seriously injured. 

I for my part think that Berger should have been blackflagged as he
purposely played tricks on Patrese. I'm not saying that Berger's
intention was this accident but he slowed down without a reason. My
first impression was that he perhaps missed a gear but he didn't
mention such a thing in the interviews. So although slowing down (and
being pushed by Patrese) he went for a pit stop but actually didn't
stop there. German TV showed Berger on the track again before Patrese
had left his car. That means his only intentions were to keep Patrese
behind.

I think this way of "keeping another driver behind" should have consequences,
at least for the ongoing race. But instead Berger walks away with six points,
his best finish this season. He could have killed Patrese ...

So what do you think ?

Martin.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Driver's Impact on Sponsorship
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:39:01 GMT

I found this piece of information I received over the weekend
MOST informative, and thought I'd share a piece of it with everyone:

"According to Sponsors Report, a Joyce Julius and Associates, Inc.
publication which measures sponsor exposure during nationally tele-
vised sporting and special events, AMAX has amassed 40 minutes, 43
seconds of clear, in-focus exposure time and 16 verbal references
during telecasts of this year's first 13 IndyCar races.  When com-
pared to the estimated cost of purchasing a :30 commercial spot
during each broadcast, these figures translate into $954,925 of
comparable value.  By contrast, AMAX had accumulated approximately
14:30, eight verbal references and $300,000 at the same point in the
1991 season.  AMAX's hefty exposure improvements can be directly traced
to the expert abilities of Johansson....with (SJ) in the cockpit for six
of this season's events, AMAX has averaged 5:21, 2.7 verbal references
and $113,435; without Johansson, the numbers fall to 1:26, zero mentions
and $45,720."

AMAX with Johansson:
Race:                     Exp. Time      Mentions     Exp. Value
Detroit                     3.22            2         $259,000
New England                 3:28            4           38,025
Toronto                     2:14            0          156,335
Cleveland                   4:08            2           41,095
Texaco/Havoline 200         3:46            4           40,785
Vancouver                  15:08            4          145,360
Total:                     32:06            16        $680,600
Avg./race                   5:21            2.7        113,433

AMAX without Johansson:
Australia                   2:36            0         $ 17,160
Phoenix                      :33            0           38,500
Long Beach                  1:28            0          102,665
Portland                    2:40            0           22,665
Miller 200                   :30            0           35,000
Michigan                     :50            0           58,335
Total:                      8:37            0         $274,325
Avg./race                   1:26            0           45,721

Grand total                40:43            16        $954,925
Overall Avg/race            3:24            1           79,577
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:16:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd2.1992Oct6.191658.25049
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Oct5.173110.29129@ncube.com>,
bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|>
|>Given that Al Jr. was leading the points (by one) going
|>into this weekend's Nazareth race, I'm somewhat amazed that
|>Galles chose this time to shake-out the new chassis.  Yes,
|>it had been planned for awhile, but if I were Rick and/or Al,
|>I think I would've decided against it and stayed with the '92
|>chassis.  Of course it's 20/20, but I feel that Al would've had
|>a better run than he did, thereby gaining more points.

Then again, we don't know how badly the Galmer G92 would have performed on
that track.  Galles and Mertens apparently had reason to believe it would do
quite badly.  Or maybe we do--I've heard that Danny Sullivan was driving a G92,
not a G93.  If that is the case, Little Al certainly did no worse to run the
new chassis, and had things come together earlier in the weekend, could
perhaps have done much better.  A gamble that didn't quite pay off.

--PSW
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