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From: djd@gator.rn.com (Dennis Dunkman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Indy Update: Last week of testing
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:07:53 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site

The IROC Dodge Daytonas tested at Indianapolis this past week.
Dave Marcis, Dick Trickle and Jim Sauter had the cars up to 152 mph.
There is no concrete word on future plans.  The best bet is an IROC race
on the second Saturday of qualifications in 1993.  I have also heard 
rumors of an 'Indy Legends' race using the IROC cars.
There was a very interesting photo in the paper showing the IROC
cars in the pits along side Rick Mears' Penske.  Only in the spring
at Indy...

Gary Bettenhausen had his '92 Lola Buick over 230 in testing.

Larry Burton's proposed electric IndyCar was not entered in the 500.
He said he didn't get an entry form.  USAC says it won't send him one
until he has a car for them to inspect.

The final entry count for this year's 500 is 97 cars.  I would guess
that between 40 and 50 of these will actually attempt to qualify.
Remember, unlike F1, at Indy it's the car that qualifies, not the driver.

The track is now closed until Rookie Orientation on April 24-26

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From: nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren's new semi-automatic gearbox...
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:23:38 GMT
Reply-To: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <881045m.703438626@aucs> 881045m@aucs.acadiau.ca (Richard Muise) writes:
>
>Actually, I suspect that it is more like the Porsche Tiptonic shift system.
>

Yes, but is your suspicion true?
If someone KNOWS something about this please post.
(Not just McLaren, of course...)



Thanks,

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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1 Was Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:20:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.182759.16297@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman) writes:
> I think
>from where the car was sitting, they should have had a standing yellow until
>they could remove it.

ummm, a basic principle of flagging:  once every driver has seen a
static `incident' 2 or 3 times, you absolutely must take the flags
down so that if another `incident' occurs, they will understand from
the reappearance of the flags that things have _changed_.

drivers at race tracks are repeatedly taught this; once something has
been in the same place for a couple of laps, you assume that it is
still there regardless of the flags.  Mario has no excuse in this
case; he's been racing more than long enough to know better.

richard
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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: Senna at it again..
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Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 16:57:00 GMT

In article <ktttq7INN65d@spim.mips.com>
trevc@mips.com (Trevor Cotton) writes...

>Appears that Senna is feeling the pressure, and is re-deploying some
>of his old tactics - if you can't beat 'em, take 'em off!
> 
>Fortunately, our Nige survived this one.

Ha, more like Mansell exhibiting his stupidity on the racetrack. Why try
to pass in an impossible situation with less than three minutes left in
the session when you already have pole by over a second ? Senna was just
minding his own business, this one was all Mansells fault - hopefully the
same thing will happen in the race.

George.
From: mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:24:00 GMT
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

My Local newspaper carried a brief (two sentence item) stating that Cale 
Yarborough had release Chad Little as his driver.  If anyone can confirm 
or add any additional information to this, I would be interested.  I 
think Bob Kehoe mentioned that Chad's father was also serving in some 
capacity with this team.

David
From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Piquet
Date: 6 Apr 1992 10:32:48 -0400
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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In article <thos.702513817@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <1992Apr2.153632.2921@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu
(Gilberto S. Mayor) writes: [I think]
>>I can not agree with you. What is the goal of F1 ? Obviously it is win the
>>championship. Every sport has its own rules. If points were given to the
>
>As Stirling Moss put it "you may drive fast, you may even win races but 
>unless you take every corner as fast as you can, you're not a racing
>driver" (quote necessarily mangled by memory.)
>
  And how many times did Stirling Moss walk away with the World
Championship?

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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Williams Reactive Suspension (power requirments)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:47:54 GMT

Various posters have speculated on the horsepower cost paid by Williams to run
their reactive suspension. Bear in mind that most of the power on an F1 car is
spent moving vast amounts of air out of the way. The average F1 car has a drag
coefficent something like 4.0. (That really is 4.0, not 0.4!). They push this
air aside to provide a lot of downforce.  Other posters have pointed out that
F1 suspensions are very stiff to try and keep the ride height constant, as a
change of less than 1/4" in ride height can drastically affect the aerodynamic
performance of the car bodywork.  As the sidewalls of a tyre in F1 flex more
than 1/4" (something even totally rigid suspension geometry cannot counteract),
I can see that the reactive suspension can easily get improved performance from
the body aerodynamics, leading to an increase in body-derived downforce. This,
in turn, means that less wing is needed for the same total downforce, and hence
less horsepower is needed at the rear wheels to get the same straight-line speed.

Quite apart from the above reasoning, there is one insurmountable argument in
favour of the hypothesis that the horsepower cost is more than paid for by an
increase in performance; Frank Williams is using the system on his cars! I am
sure he has tested the same car with and without reactive suspension, and that
he would run with a conventional suspension system if he thought it would be
faster on race day.
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Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 09:22:13 EST
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Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??

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From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:01:02 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Apr10.161720.23258@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
>I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
>has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything
>about this?  Possibility is that the >

I read in one of the major auto magazines recently that Honda has taken delivery
of a Lola Indy Car for "examination". And it rumored they might go Indy as soon
as '93, possibly with, get this, Scott Pruett & Truesports. I find this hard to
believe, as well as it being '93.

     This doesn't sound quite as odd to me as it may to others. I used to live
     in Columbus OH, also the home of Truesports. Truesports has the only
     chassis that noone else in CART has. The way Honda has run thier
     program in the past was to absolutly dominate whatever the series, then
     when they get bored or it gets too expensive they abruptly leave.
     Secondly Truesports facility is located just about 20-30 miles from
     the main Honda (Accord & Motorcycle) manufacturing plants in the US.
     It's in Marysville OH, just NW of Columbus. I seems to me this would
     be a very practical arrangement, having the team you are working with
     and thier own main facilities that close together.

                                   Mike -  Orlando, FL

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From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous ramblings....
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:23:37 GMT

In article 545@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn
Padfield) asks:

> ....Does anybody know if the new Fondmetal car is using
> the Cosworth DFR or if they are using the HB motor? If they are only using
> the lowly DFR, then their new car has got to be one of the best of the midfield
> runners. Gabrielle Tarquini out-qualified the the two Jordan cars, with their
> Yamaha V-12's, the Footwork's, with their Mugen-Honda V-10, and anyone that
> is driving a Lamborghini-powered car....

All the Ford-engined F1 entries (Benetton, Lotus, and Fondmetal) are
running the HB engine this year.

And in answer to a question asked by several others:  Ford does *not*
plan on using the new V12 before 1993.

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From: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mario, oh Mario.... Anyone home ?!?
Summary: Nobody's home
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:06:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1135
Reply-To: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
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In article <1992Apr14.155724.23623@NOC.Vitalink.COM> edc@noc.vitalink.com writes:
>
>|> 
>|>  What the he!! was wrong with Mario?!? 
>
>The same thing that's been wrong with Mario for the past 2 or 3 seasons. Seems he can't accept the fact that he's
>NOT the guy to beat anymore.   

Seems to me Mario has always had these tendancies, always aggressive and
never at fault.:-)

>|> On the other hand, when
>|> they interviewed Mario he seemed a bit ticked at Eddie, not to mention his
>|> claim that Eddie moved over on him.   
>
>A.J. has accepted the fact that there are better, faster drivers out ther now and that he's not on top anymore. Richard
>Petty has too. They both are still racing, but for the FUN of it. Neither are out there taking other, more competitive
>drivers out by driving over their limits. 
>
I contend Mario is driving like he always has, and unlike his "peers" (I refer
to the drivers from his era, bros Unser, Foyt, Ruthercrash etc) who all went
off pace (as technology outpaced them) Mario is still quite competitive. He
has become relegated back by the new young lions, but is still well ahead of
his contemporaries (and a bunch of the new lions too).

>Too bad Mario doesn't feel like he can just enjoy his remaining years in the sport. He's certainly proved himself
>already. It's just not nessecary to pull the sh*t he's been doing recently.

True but that is his style. Sucks don't it?
>
>|>  Is it just Mario or do the cameras really lie?!?

Sometimes they can "lie" perspective is relative to posistion and what
looks one way from one angle is completely different when viewed from
annother. I this case however, there is no doubt that Cheever was going
straight thru and not "weaving" as Mario stated. But look at the bright
side, it gives us something to blather about:-)


In the things they *MIGHT* have said dept...

"What does he expect? theres a target on the back of that puppy"

                Michael "My father taught me everthing I know" Andretti

"Blasted contact lens slipped again"
                
                Mario "its never my fault" Andretti

"Who we sposed to have fall in behind us this time?"

                Honarary Pace Car "OK, Mears is one I recognize" Driver


Don "in 100 years no one will know the difference annyway" Bolton
From: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Puerile drooling
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:10:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1105
Reply-To: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR

Hey Andy, I here Team FizzBall is venturing north for our Rose Cup
weekend...

Fact, or Fiction?


Don "back on the net till the contract ends" Bolton
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: F1:Magic fuels and more...
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:44:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.045637.47050@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.152109.27802@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:

	stuff deleted ......
>
>More to the point...
> 
>How is Marlboro related to racing cars? They still seem to manage to
>sponsor Formula 1.
>
>-- 
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Tabacco firms have always been very large sponsers for F1 (car races, in
general).  Aside from Marlboro, you have Camel (in the past even JPS).


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From: dans@rehab2.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: The Time of the Brazil GP on ESPN
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:31:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: rehab2.494
Reply-To: dans@rehab2.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <6433@shodha.enet.dec.com> burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>Should be on at midnight Sunday, but I'll be scanning the sw dial for
>updates before then.

  With this being the year of the Brit, keep an ear on the BBC. They will
 most likley get to use the same tape clip all year (or at least I hope).

  Or just watch the CART.... er.... uh.... IndyCar race on ABC. While out
 out the room (lucky for me since I had not seen the F1 race yet) my wife
 said they announced the winner.

 -Dan
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> Personally, I think you've got this arse-about. Mansell and Senna
> would be toe to toe, and Prost, Berger & Schumacher would be very
> close behind.

Wasn't Prost consistently faster than Mansell while at Ferrari ?
I assume that toward the end of the season he was having the best car
since he was the #1 Ferrari pilot. How did they compare at the
start of the season ?

I also don't think that Berger is as fast as Prost. The Prost/Senna
races while they both drove at McLaren were much closer than any
Senna/Berger races (or lack of).

As for Schumacher, I have some reservations about him:
Did you see the pass he made on Senna when the McLaren slowed down.
Then you must have seen how easily Senna passed him back ?
Either the McLaren is still much better than the Benneton, or Schumacher
has still a lot to learn.
The Mexico race between Berger and Schumacher's teammate (don't you hate
it when you draw a blank on somebody's name...) makes me think that
the Benneton is not too far from the McLaren in term of handling/power.

How many people think that Prost is finished ?
How many athletes are able to stay away from competition for a year 
and come back at the top level ?
He is doing any kind of driving to keep his skills up ?

bruno.
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From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: F1 HP
Organization: /u/mosquito/u00/joeh/.organization
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:55:31

In article <9APR199215542928@utarlg.uta.edu> b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:

>   Okay, let us compare that to Yamaha's 500cc motorcycling GP motor.
>   It makes 170 bhp at 13,500 rpm - that would be .34 bhp per cc. It is
>   not as cheap as the karting motor, yet it is not as expensive as the
>   F1 motor, so there there :-).
>   Too bad they cannot maintain those kind of numbers at 3500cc, that would
>   come in at 1190 bhp at ????? rpm, and we would back to the prime turbo
>   era with 5-valves per cylinder Yamaha on top.

I'm under the impression that the 500cc GP motors are two cycles. I'm
also under the impression that two-cycles have long been regarded as
impractical for formula one (even before the current rules made them
illegal). From what I uderstand its very difficult to make two-cycle
motor with competitive horsepower that retains the type of fuel
millage required for Formula One (since there is a high degree of
overlap during which time both the intake and exhaust ports are open).
Some designers have commented that this problem can be overcome by the
use of direct fuel injection but such systems are costly and consume
horsepower. Rotary valves help, and I assume that they are used on the
GP bikes.

The other real problem is finding space for the expansion chambers.
Can you imagine finding room for twelve expansion chambers on a modern
formula one car?

And of course, what fun would it be if the new Ferrari sounded like a
really load chainsaw? As far as the horsepower figure, I would think
that 1190 would be conservative since larger engines tend to produce
more horsepower per-liter (less internal losses I gather).




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From: edc@NOC.Vitalink.COM (Eric D. Christensen)
Subject: Re: SCCA flagging, whites
Reply-To: edc@noc.vitalink.com
Organization: Vitalink Communications, Fremont, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.034846.10599@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley) writes:
|> 
|> In some article, kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter) writes:
|> > welty@balltown.cma.com (richard welty) writes:
|> > >i'm planning to start working corners at some SCCA events this summer,
|> > >{...} i have no idea what a good source of proper clothing for corner
|> > >working is; can any of the flaggers out there give me a pointer?
|> 


|> 
|> > Rain Suit (top and bottoms) - Kmart $4.97 clear ones work fine. Buy 2
|> 
|> buy more than two.  Consider these consumables, they have a very limited
|> life once first used.  It seems the UV degrades them, or the
|> plasticizers outgas from the vinyl, or something.  Carry several, you'll
|> be popular with less well-equipped station mates.

There are some very nice rubberized nylon raion suits out there these days that 
are fairlly resonably priced (about $40.00), and quite comfortable. They will last
you a lot longer than 10 of the $4.00 cheepies will and you'll be much more comfortable, 
and drier on station. Oh, and they are NOT yellow. I've even seem them in off white.
Try your local Target or Sporting goods store. 

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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:57:59 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Apr8.101129.13236@btcase.bt.co.uk> gss@btcase.bt.co.uk (Graham Sewell) writes:
>tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>
>>Personally, I'll be cheering for those, uhh, yellow and green things, yeah,
>
>>				GO LOTUS!!!
>
>Too right, lets go for it.  Regards to Johnny Herbert and Mika Hikkinen.
>
I think Johnny Herbert's accident in Brazil was all his fault.  He had
no right to be in front of those Ligiers.  He started from 26th position
on the grid, he was driving a three-year old car, which was 30 hp less
powerful than a Ligier, and about 45 kg heavier. 

The sooner he learns a few of the Laws of Physics the better :)

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: F1: Magic fuels -- and a proposal
Organization: /u/mosquito/u00/joeh/.organization
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:27:48

In article <1992Apr07.163534.29152@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:

>   So, here is the proposed addition to the FISA F1 rulebook:
>
>       15.7:   All Formula 1 cars shall use FISA-supplied fuel.  This 
>	       fuel is to be equivalent to commercially available 99
>	       octane (RON) unleaded fuel.

F1 used to have a similar rule, only it was aviation since av gas
is more standardized around the world. Great idea, too bad they don't
do it anymore. While we're rewriting the rulebook how about dumping
"reactive" suspension, electronic throttles, traction control, abs and
all of those other technical marvels that do nothing but make races
boring? Formula One is getting to be like the old Can Am only I'm not
10 years old anymore!
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 and IndyCars; Don't tell Ron Dennis but ...
Keywords: McLaren
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:54:32 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

Nigel Roebuck's column in this week's Autosport has an interesting tale 
of the time that Stefan Johansson drove a McLaren at the 1 mile oval at 
Phoenix.

SJ: "I only ran three quick laps, and got down to 22 seconds flat."
NR: "I never heard about that."
SJ: "Neither did Ron (Dennis), in fact I don't think he knows about it 
     to this day ..."

It all happened for a Marlboro advert, at the end of the 1987 season,
at the end of the Porsche engine program.  He had to spend a lot of
time hanging around, and then go through individual corners at speed.
After 4 or 5 days of this, the team got bored and took of the camera 
rig to have a go at a few quick laps.

The speed (1.3s slower than pole position for the IndyCar race a few
weeks ago) wasn't exactly surprising, given over 1000 hp in a car
which was 200 kg lighter, with F1 tyres.

He also had to stage a spin for the cameras. When the director first
mentioned it, Stefan "presumed him a few sandwiches short of a picnic"
They watered the track at turn 2, and cranked the brake bias to the rear.

SJ: "In fact to spin on purpose is not that easy, believe it or not.
     I tried to go as quickly as I could, then slammed on the brakes, 
     and gave the wheel a tweak. Fortunately we finished up approximately
     where we'd estimated - away from the wall."
NR: "I'm surprised you agreed to do it."
SJ: "Yes, me too. Mind you, we did renegotiate the fee beforehand ..."

			Andrew  Henry
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