From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Kremlin_Gate: Bill Clinton in Moscow during Viet Nam.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.164907.21613@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>In <1992Oct10.081708.24118@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)says:
>]In a previous article, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) says:
>]>]In article <1992Oct7.022226.19164@anasazi.com> (John R. Moore) writes:

>]>]> He WAS in the SU in '70. He admitted it on TV last night.

>]>]"Admitted"?!  It's an "admission" to say that you travelled during
>]>]your Christmas vacation?  

>]>Yes, admitted. He never brought it up until he was asked as a result
>]>of Republican digging.

>]Amazing.

>]He didn't volentarily disclose that he took a vacation 23 years ago.
>]Why is it he SHOULD have addressed the issue before the Republicans
>]"dug" it up?

>Since he was an anti-war activist (something else he conveniently
>"forgot" to tell the american people), and was demonstrating against

Really?  If you could *read*, John, you'd have known about it since AT
LEAST February.  (It was in the draft letter he sent to the ROTC guy.)

>American policy in a foreign country, and went to the capital of what
>was at that time considered a mortal enemy of the us.... yes, he should
>have addressed it. Furthermore, it would have saved him a lot of trouble,
>since the way it came out, in dribbles, led to him repeatedly lying
>and dissembling about the issue, and then being contradicted, by
>others OR HIMSELF, within days. Not a stellar performance.

>If he can't take these sorts of attacks and respond honestly, why should
>we expect him to be honest about other issues?

Describe the lies, please.  And the same can be said about Bush.  He's
lied repeatedly about Iran-contra and Iraq and taxes.

>]> This is the same guy who has been slippery about
>]>the draft business, dishonest about the Jennifer Flowers business, and in
>]>general lies a lot.

>]A POLITICIAN, LIE!!  Say it ain't so!!

>]Clinton does not have a monopoly on that, you know.  
>]His draft record is irrelevant, he has stated he took LEGAL steps
>]to aviod serving in a war he felt and still feels was morally wrong.

>]Jennifer Flowers is irrelevant, as any problem exested between himself
>]and his wife, and they have resolved them.  The rest of it is the business
>]of no one, unless you wish to take the stand that ALL persons who have had
>]marital problems should be required to disclose all to the public.

>If you want to consider a long record of lying for no good reason at all,
>cheating on his wife, and political favoritism for his lover, to be

Evidence, please?

>immaterial, then you'll love Slick Willie. I happen to consider them
>all windows into his soul, and what I see through those windows isn't pretty.

>]> All sorts of stuff about his anti-war stuff is now
>]>coming out. I have no problems with him being against the war, but when
>]>he (a) demonstrates against the US in a FOREIGN country, and, the same
>]>year (b) travels to the capital of the main embassy while we are in a war,
>]>I have real problems with his judgement.

>]Why?  It was, in 1969, neither illegal, nor immoral, to either protest
>]the war, or travel to the Soviet Union.

>No, but it was anti-american to protest American policies in a foreign
>country,

WHY?  You keep saying this.  WHY?

>         which is the main allegation. Furthermore it was of questionable
>judgement to travel to the capital of the main enemy while being involved
>in those activities.

WHY?
Like ALL Rhodes Scholars, he used Christmas break to tour Europe.  One
of the places he went was the Soviet Union.  That makes him one of
50,000 Americans who did the same that year.  What's wrong with that?

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