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From: jfrawley@mothra.syr.EDU (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Bill Venables - Thank You
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:19:03 EST

Bill, my email to you bounced.  Thank you for your reply to
my Yahoo! message.  I am getting the appetite problem under
control.

Judy
From: BETTYJ@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Betty Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: temptations
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:24:24 GMT
 <1993Jan26.171846.22335@netcom.com>
Organization: University of Maine System

The comment about spraying Windex on tempting food reminds me of the
statement I once heard that NOTHING is fattening if it is first washed
in hot, soapy water 8:)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: Re: temptations
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:10:44 GMT

In article <1jphirINNf21@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> (Brett E. Katz)
writes:
>
>in September and want to get back down to what I was when
>my boyfriend and I first started dating - I have about
>a size to lose. I'm very motivated, have been working out

Good luck.  Sounds realistic :-)
 
> So, how do I win out over the chocolate? I can't throw them
>away because that wouldn't be fair to my fiance (he can 
>eat them),

He doesn't need them either.  Does he.  I'm picking on this idea
because until recently I thought the same way--"I'll keep my
own diet healthy but provide my son and husband the things they
like."  When I started giving them only the same kind of goodies
I eat, one source of stress went away.  The amazing thing was, I
hadn't realized how much stress I was putting on myself trying to
provide a dual-standard diet.

My husband still bakes hi-fat cookies but I don't help, or buy
the ingredients for him, or eat them.  Whenever I do get him a
treat that he likes that is off my diet, it's something I wouldn't
eat anyway (e.g. ice cream in a flavor I don't like).

>plus I'd feel guilty throwing away perfectly
>good candy that would make a nice addition to a future dinner
>party....I know eating one would lead to eating them all...

Maybe they would make a nice addition to someone else's future
dinner party.  Do you have a potluck coming up this week?  Or a
visit?  People in my experience always appreciate a guesting gift
from anyone coming to spend a day, evening, weekend, etc.  (Just
don't give it to anyone on a diet!  Heh! :-)

Then again, if your only choice is between eating them or throwing
them away...which would *really* make you feel guiltier? :-)  IMHO
buying another box of candy, should the need actually arise, is
easier than making up for a binge...and the damage to the budget
is less important than the damage to the body.  Like choosing a
$3.00 tossed salad over a $2.00 greasy hamburger.

Just my $0.02...hope some of these ideas help.

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com or hilp@hfglobe.intel.com
Opinions, beliefs, attitudes, and priorities expressed herein are
mine and do not necessarily coincide with those of my employer or
anyone else.

Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:35:16 -0500 
From: Cory Harper Jacques <cj14+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Losing Weight when Dumped :-) and other ramblings (was Re: Let me introduce myself)


I think that it is easy to lose weight after ending a relationship because: 
*there is more time avaliable to exercise and think about weight loss
*instead of mindless eating with someone else, you are alone, more
often, and therefore more aware of what you are eating
*there is more time for self reflection and introspection - i.e. how did
I get this way? I need to take charge of my life.

Anyway, I think this happened to me. When my boyfriend got a job in CA
(I live in PA) I started to "diet" - make changes in my life regarding
healthier food choices and making time to exercise. When he left, I felt
much more in control of my life and continued to diet, perhaps masking
some depression from his leaving. Now I am dating someone new and I have
had to be very careful to not go back to my old habits...I think there
is a feeling that when I am dating someone I get a lot of self worth
feelings from the other person, so I do not have to work as hard to get
them from myself by taking good care of myself. Plus, dating seems to
say that I am an okay person because someone else feels that way about
me. 

Well, to make this long story... I am working very hard at staying
healthy in this relationship, which is possitively effecting the
relationship as well as me. Keeping a journal and food diary keep me
aware of what I am eating and what my habits are. Giving myself the time
to exercise and for once, developing myself at times instead of
developing the relationship actual does develop the relationship...

I am working very hard to not slip back to my old eating habits even
though I am in a relationship! And it is getting easier!

Good Luck Ya'all!
Cory

(long term reader, sporatic poster, lifetime healthier chic!)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:48:01 GMT

In article <C19nE0.32x@hfglobe.intel.com> hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum) writes:
>I think this is the statement I disagree with.  How about, "as much
>liquid as your body needs"--which I would assume isn't the same for
>everybody.  I doubt it's necessarily the amount you're thirsty for,
>either.

It's a hell of a lot closer than "8 glasses of water a day on top of
every other fluid you've drunk".

>Most of us "like" more or less of various foods than we should eat,
>regardless of hunger.  Why would the amount of water we *want* be
>the exact amount we should drink?  Is thirst, unlike hunger, always
>an accurate indicator of what your body needs?

Virtually always.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: wvenable@attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: skin
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:35:31
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: attunga.stats.adelaide.edu.au
In-reply-to: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:34:19 GMT

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Brooks <brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> writes:

Peter> 200 pounds ago, a friend (similar weight) and I would regularly use
Peter> the hot tub at the local Elk's lodge.  We'd always joke about the
Peter> one-legged guy with the harpoon...

I used to say that every time I would lay on the beach, Greenpeace would
come and try to put me back in the water.  The image is universal.

200 pounds eh Peter?  Watch out.  As of yesterday I am 127 pounds down, and
gaining on you fast...  I have about 100 pounds to go, but already the
doctor is starting to talk about "maintenance", whatever that is.  :-)

Bill.

--
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill Venables, Dept. of Statistics, | Email: venables@stats.adelaide.edu.au
Univ. of Adelaide, South Australia. | Tel: +61 8 228 5412  Fax: ...232 5670
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:15:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:

>In article <Jan.12.11.15.10.1993.18070@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
>shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>should treat them as your possession.  One thing that I would like
>to pass along that I learned from OA is to stop beating yourself up
>if you happen to eat something you aren't suppose to eat.  Let go of
>the guilt and get right back on program as soon as you swallow.  I
>used to be like everybody else about that.  I would eat something
>that wasn't on program and figure well I am off the diet anyway so I
>might as well do it up good and eat everything I am not suppose to
>eat.  Once I learned how to forgive myself for the indiscretion I
>was able to keep myself from going on a giant binge.

I had a pretty bad day yesterday.  I went to my Week 3 meeting.  At
week two I had lost 2.5 pounds and was pretty excited.  However,
at week 3, I had only lost a half pound.  Its very frustrating
because I still can't exercise adequately due to a recovering sprained
ankle.  Realistically, I know I have to be happy about whatever loss
I have and I have to be patient and let my ankle heal.  I have to
keep looking forward to the time when I will be able to exercise and
not blow it by injuring my ankle again.

On the other hand, its isn't very encouraging.  The difference between
week one and week two was that they gave us more food on week two. And
I ate it.  Now for week three, we get even more food.  It looks like
I'm going to have to stay with the "Eat Less" plan until I can exercise
again.

Well, after that wonderful news last night, I had to go meet some friends
for a happy hour.  I saved my exchanges so that I could have dinner from
the buffet, which I did, but I had 1.5 light beers instead of one even
though I didn't have enough optional calories left to cover them.

What is really frustrating are the people who know that you're on a
diet but they don't understand how the plan works, and every time you
eat something that doesn't seem dietetic, they say "Some diet - whats
that the Cream Puff diet?"  (This was what I heard from some guy when,
after sitting at a pizza party lunch for a co-worker and not eating
pizza but eating the pre-measured lunch I had packed, I had one small
plain cream puff.  The thing fit right in the palm of my hand - thats
how small it was.  And it was my reward for not gobbling down 3 slices
of pizza.  It really took the wind out of my sails for a minute, but I
managed to recover.)

Okay.  Its over.  I'm back on track today.  I'll try do get some more
exercise in this weekend.

Sigh.  Thanks for listening.

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:48:12 GMT

In article <1jktrqINNe3o@access.usask.ca>, idg39@jester.usask.ca (Inez Gowsell) writes:
|> [snip'd]
|> Oh by the way, I don't recommend my diet strategy too anyone.  It's too
|> depressing.  But, if you are really interested, here it is:
|> 
|> Meet some person that you think might make a great SO.
|> 
|> Fall in love.
|> 
|> Have that person decide that s/he doesn't really want to spend ANY time
|> with you.
|> 
|> The resulting depression will cause you to lose your appetite.  Voila!!
|> You have started your diet!  :-)

I think this is really true; but then what happens is, once you're enjoying
your new thin body, you meet someone else, fall in love again, get comfor-
table, and gain all of it back.  Does this mean that when we're feeling re-
jected, we're motivated to diet (heck, it's easy then; a SERIOUS depression
is a great appetite suppressant) and exercise like maniacs, but when we 
start feeling O.K. about ourselves (i.e., attractive, healthy, desirable, 
ACCEPTED) again, a thin body doesn't seem so important.  And if having a 
thin body isn't a primary concern anymore, many of us (most of us?) will 
be gaining weight.

Hmmm.  I think we might be on to something here.  If you're lonely and thin,
how can you stay THIN when you're no longer LONELY?  Two postings today men-
tioned being dumped by their boyfriends as their motivation to improve their
appearance (I have a friend going through a divorce who is finally losing
that weight she's been hauling around for years, and that was my story too
when I got divorced many years ago).  I'm certainly not saying that the 
excess weight caused these relationships to crater, only that AFTER a rela-
tionships ends, this NEED to feel good about ourselves asserts itself (or
at least the NEED begins to take "shape" :-).  Wasn't that NEED there before?  
How PERVERSE this is.  In the depths of misery, we find eating to be much 
less important, and exercise to be essential to our physical and emotional 
well-being and self-image.  Once we climb out of the pit, and "get a life"
back (and I'm speaking specifically of a new marriage or important STABLE
relationship here, not just adjusting to the single life), and start feeling 
*GOOD* again, food becomes a passion again, the Nordik Track stands idle,
the membership in the health club lapses, etc.

Does this seem to fit the pattern out there?  For as long as you haven't
replaced that "missing person" in your life, you can keep up the diet and
exercise (it's filling a void?).  Mr. or Ms. Right shows up, and all the 
old bad habits come roaring back.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,rec.fitness
From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Proform exercise machine
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:44:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1k1eoeINNgni@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, wilsonbr@cps.msu.edu (Brian R Wilson) writes:
>My wife and I are semi-seriously looking for a piece of home exercise
>equipment.  When we did have a gym membership she liked the treadmill
>and I liked the bike.  Neither of us has experience with a ski-machine.
>We saw parts of an infomercial about a treadmill with arms that move,
>ala a ski-machine.  The machine was called the ProForm and I think
>that they were associated with Weider somehow.  The price was $600.
>Features included 0-8 mph, a calorie counter, electric incline.  The
>arms, BTW, could be left stationary and did have adjustable resistance.
>Does anyone have any opinions about this machine or machines for home
>use.  We both are interested in weight loss at present.
>Thanks...

This is just my opinion - I don't like the machines very much.  We
have a StairClimber thing at home, and I find it very boring.  You
just do the same thing for however many minutes.  The only way I
can handle it is to watch an action flick (Gone with the Wind doesn't cut it)
and I've seen all the ones we have at home already.

I prefer aerobics.  Step aerobics, especially.  You can
get these (including Step, video and sometimes weights) for 
$30-$100.  

Just MO.
-- 
Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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"What must I do to convince you people?"		 "Die."
From: amyk@netcom.com (Amy Kurtzman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Stop the Insanity
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:17:40 GMT
Organization: Amy's Boca-By-The-Sea Resort (sm)

In article <1993Jan26.154820.19203@ra.msstate.edu> jonesk@ur.msstate.edu writes:
>This Susan with bleached, cropped hair sounds like the exercise
>expert who shows up periodically on the Home show on ABC. I 
>can't remember her last name, but if it's the same one, she
>looks in great shape. I didn't know she used to be hefty.

Yes, that is the same one. I saw the half hour infomercial this
weekend for the first time, and they specifically mentioned her
regular appearances on the Home Show. She does seem motivating. She
talked about low-fat, high volume eating. But, of course I wasn't
about to shell out around $80 for her program.

The concept of low-fat, high volume eating reminded me of something I
heard at a WW meeting a long time ago: "Nobody ever got fat eating
fruits and vegetables." I suspect that may be the basis of the Stop
The Insanity program.


-- 
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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Stop the Insanity
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:52:28 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jane Littlehales (jml@cs.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> Could someone please explain? 

If US women's clothing sizes are tied to something definable or 
understandable then the universe is a far different place than I
thought it was, so everything I know must be wrong.  

:)
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Stop the Insanity
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:48:20 GMT

This Susan with bleached, cropped hair sounds like the exercise
expert who shows up periodically on the Home show on ABC. I 
can't remember her last name, but if it's the same one, she
looks in great shape. I didn't know she used to be hefty.

Kay Jones
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:10:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

When I was going to Nutri/System I always was real suspicious of some
of the diet "facts" we were told.  The water thing was one.  The other
one was when they said that alcohol is metabolised like a fat.  That
sounded really weird to me because there is no fat in alcohol, it's
a carbohydrate.   Later on I've read that alcohol is actually 7 calories
per gram as opposed to 4 calories in a carbohydrate.  

But anyway, I always took these "facts" with a very large grain of salt.
Most of the people hired and trained by these weight-loss places, WW included,
aren't experts (or even terribly well-informed lay-people) on metabolism
and nutrition. 
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
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From: wilsonbr@cps.msu.edu (Brian R Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,rec.fitness
Subject: Re: Proform exercise machine
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: wilsonbr@cps.msu.edu (Brian R Wilson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cps.msu.edu
Originator: wilsonbr@pacific.cps.msu.edu

In article <1993Jan25.092251.5206@walter.cray.com> u4944@cray.com (Charles Hubbert) writes:
>My wife and I are semi-seriously looking for a piece of home exercise
>equipment.  When we did have a gym membership she liked the treadmill
>and I liked the bike.  Neither of us has experience with a ski-machine.
>We saw parts of an infomercial about a treadmill with arms that move,
>ala a ski-machine.  The machine was called the ProForm and I think
>that they were associated with Weider somehow.  The price was $600.
>Features included 0-8 mph, a calorie counter, electric incline.  The
>arms, BTW, could be left stationary and did have adjustable resistance.
>Does anyone have any opinions about this machine or machines for home
>use.  We both are interested in weight loss at present.
>Thanks...
>-- 
>Chuck Hubbert	u4944@techops.cray.com    tel# 313/574-8159

I can give you a little advise...  The bikes are nice, but frankly you
keyster gets sore quick and I get bored unless my arms are moving too.
(ie. one with moving arms might be better).  I personally don't like
treadmills that much.  I think that running is not the best thing since
in is so hard on the knees and ankles with all the bouncing.  I really 
prefer the ski-machine of the ones you mentioned... but:  My parents 
looked at several of them and found that you really don't enjoy it 
unless you get a GOOD ONE.  They settled on a Nordic Track (don't know
the model number, but it wasn't the best or the worst).  If you get
a low quality model it just isn't very smooth.  Even the high quality
models take QUITE A BIT of coordination to use.  Some people just can't
seem to get it.  I remember that the dealer allowed my parents take
their choice of a machine home for about 3 weeks or so; with no strings
or commitments.  I recommend this highly to see if you and the Mrs.'
are able to get the hang of it.

My final 2 cents... if you have the money:  Check seriously into
Stairmasters (or other stairclimbing machines).  I use them at 
different clubs and at college and I love them, but I have know idea how
much they cost.  Maybe you could check at local clubs to see why they
purchase what they did?  Any more questions... e-mail me.  I've been
treadmilling; ski-machining; biking on MANY machines.  

(PS. I have heard great things about Lifecycles... but they look expensive!)

-=Brian
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:08:19 EST
From: tracie lango <MAHYTL@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself

In article <1jktrqINNe3o@access.usask.ca>, idg39@jester.usask.ca (Inez Gowsell)
says:
>
>
>Oh by the way, I don't recommend my diet strategy too anyone.  It's too
>depressing.  But, if you are really interested, here it is:
>
>Meet some person that you think might make a great SO.
>
>Fall in love.
>
>Have that person decide that s/he doesn't really want to spend ANY time
>with you.
>
>The resulting depression will cause you to lose your appetite.  Voila!!
>You have started your diet!  :-)
>
I'm sorry, I just have to smile at this!  Inez, its not so uncommon as
perhaps you might think! In my case, the relationship lasted 8 years before
dissolving; six months after I was down to a size 6, and 2 1/2 years later,
I'm pleased to say I'm *still* size 6, with more men pursuing me than I
can handle, including -- wait for it, it'll be good -- the jerk who
dumped me in the first place!!  So there is some justice :)....


Good luck with achieving your goals,

tracie lango.
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:12:31 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Research Center


> Tracy says
> Lots of people eat salads, right?

Reminds me of a line by Dame Edna Everage (aka Barry Humphries).
"I'm eating nothing but salads these days. They can be quite good you
know, salads. Especially those PORK CHOP salads, and the CHEESE CAKE
Salads, and..." Had me in stitches anyway.
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  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"