HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:20:40 GMT

rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan) writes:
: In article <gf3JGxy00iV405p1kR@andrew.cmu.edu> Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
: >
: >Thats all I can say after reading all about the protest march. What is
: >bhutto thinking..?
: >She is etting unassuming people killed so that she can govern.
: >I'm sure she knew that the march would cause unrest and maybe even a lot
: >of people hurt. If she really had something for the masses she shouldn't
: >have done what she did. Three people died hundereds were hurt. Is this
: >what is meant by politics.
: >What is she trying to do. She is killing people for the office.
: >She should be ashamed of herself.
: >She knew that there will be unrest which meant lots of people getting hurt
: >but she wasn't at all bothered she went ahead with it.
: >If there is an unpatriotic act that is one.
: >The government offcourse had to stop it, a large crowd is a potential
: >terrorist target.
: >First it was karachi and now islamabad where police is being stoned.
: >I'm sick and tired of this politics of agitation
: 
: Several questions:
: 
: 1)  Do you believe Pakistan would be better served with a democratic form
: of government?
: 
: 2)  If so, then considering the fact that Mrs. Bhutto is the only Pakistanii
: leader ever to be democratically elected, wouldn't you agree that she more
: than anyone else should lead the pro democracy forces?
: 
: 3)  If you agree with question 1 but not question 2, then who else should lead
: Pakistan to democracy and why?
: 
: 4)  You obviously disagree with Mrs. Bhutto's tactics against the current
: government.  What other tatics would you suggest she use? 
: 
: 
: -- 
: Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
: Engineering Science 9T3                <rr@odin.control.toronto.edu> 
: University of Toronto                    

The trajedy of Pakistan is that it really doesn't matter who is in the seat
od power. They are all corrupt and care little for the country. Bhutto's
couple of years in power was noted for her beloved husbands naked theft
and embezzlement of anything that was worth more than afew ruppees. Nawaz
Sharif is no better. Democracy is a farce. That leaves the army --- but
that is trouble in its own ways.

All this is punishment from Allah for not following proper Islamic
principles. The first step towards recovery would be for all politicains
to announce the bannishment of the Mullah from any form of politics ..
especially Jamat-e-Islami. We may have a chance then.

Nadeem Malik
:x
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: "My" Previous Post
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov16.171756.17477@sarah.albany.edu>, ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov16.103947.6370@gw.wmich.edu> x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu went on about...
|> >> Once again, I extend my regrets, and apologize to anyone who was offended by
|> >> the previous posting.  
|> >> 
|> >> I hope that this is all that has been done with my account, and that this
|> >> marks the end of any repurcussions.
|> >> 
|> >> Most sincerely,
|> >> Brian Willnecker
|> >> wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
|> >> 
|> >> -- 
|> >> ****************************************************************************
|> >> * Brian Willnecker                   : "You can blow out a candle,         *
|> >> * wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    :  but you can't blow out a fire"  PG *
|> >> ****************************************************************************
|> >
|> >Then how come the ending message is the same. That guy also knows
|> >how to write the phrase exactly the same way you have written here.
|> >
|> >May be some body kick your bud very hard.
|> 
|> On many systems, including the one I use, the .signature file is automatically
|> appended to all posts made to the net.  This seems to be the case for 
|> Mr. Willnecker as well.  He has made a sincere apology and seems quite 
|> embarrassed by the whole thing.  Can't we just drop it?
|> 

Yes, atleast give a little consideration to it.  Brain has explained
his position and in my opinion he is not responsible for that ugly
post.  But, Brain don't leave your terminal unattended for long. If
the parapit wall of your house, falls over in your neighbours compound, 
he/she is going to sue you not the mason.
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

*********************************************************************
From: ashai@usc.edu (EHTISHAM AHMED ASHAI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan, Kashmir &Benazir
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:44:58 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun60.usc.edu

'Woh Batin teri woh fasanay teray'

It has been two years since Mr. NS was given the PM'ship to him by Mr.
GIK. Looks like nothing has changed. The people, the govt, the
subjects, the attitudes and the mentalities of the male chauvanists in
the so called Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Shame on you.

The ideal examplwe of a hypocritical society has its roots in the
psyche of its Landlords (The Gods or Allahs of there subjects), the
Army (The Prophets of democracy) and the people (always whinig and
complaining just like the Satan's hand picked chosen ones).

Women a symbol of shame, lust, problem, dowry and a liability. That is
the mentality of a pakistani. The God may not help ye, as He helps
those who Help themselves. Pakistanis have never done anything
themselves. The way they are going they never would.  reminds me of
something, ''Blame it on Rio or Delhi or Bibi or MQM or my Masters
ass''.

It is high time that the people should realize something about freedom
of thought and speech. In US all the sons of the rich fathers and
mothers would champion the cause od democracy, but in the herat of
their hearts they are just like their parents, hypocrites with dual
personalities, like there fathers who are in the Army, Politics or
LAndlords. 

Looks you haven't learnt anything from this OCT to DEC, like your
parents who haven't learnt anything since 1947.


This time even the satan is confused that whose side he should take. 


Ehtisham Ashai

''Buhat shhor suntay thay pehloo me Dil Ka
Jo Cheera to Ik Qatra e Khoon Nikla''
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.india,soc.culture.bengladesh,news.groups
From: tkoppel@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Ted Koppel)
Subject: Re: CFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya (Moderated)
Organization: CARL Systems Inc, Denver, Colo.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.131101.14116@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, njamil@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nasir Jamil) claims:
-->There had been a lot of discussion on the use of name Islam by
-->
-->
-->			WHY ISLAM... WHAT IS IN THE NAME.
-->
-->Ahamdi Muslims. Here is a quote from the 2nd Head of the Ahmadiyya
-->Movement in Islam's book titled "An Invitation to Islam" which

       [100 lines deleted]

  This is all fine, and I respect your belief.  But WHY, oh WHY, is
this being submitted to news.groups?  If you want to justify your
choice of religion, fine.  But not in news.groups.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Ted Koppel  --  ted@carl.org  or   tkoppel@cassandra.cair.du.edu
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Human Behavior
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:24:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1e7e4rINNfei@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>
>	Human Behavior
>	--------------
>
>	Why do women rub their eyes when they get
>        out of bed in the morning?
>
>	Because they do not have balls to scratch.
>
>
>
>
>Mansoor Khan
>Cleveland Heights, Ohio
                               They donot have balls to scratch like
					mansoor khan ?                    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nsiddiqu@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (najeeb siddiqui)
Subject: Few days before Martial Law in Pakistan !!!!!
Keywords: Long March
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:25:22 GMT

Adaab..

God forbids but if the recent developments in Pakistan continues, we
will soon have martial law in Pakistan !!!!!!

All she wants is: public on the raod (they will be on the raod since
they don't have anything constructive to do) which will pave the way for
MARTIAL LAW !!!

please post any latest info ...

comments ....

Najeeb Siddiqui
From: a9@public.BTR.COM (Ashar Nisar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Email in Pakistan
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:43:22 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <8f2cKH_00WBLI47JQ3@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>
>Hi 
>Can Imran Anwer or anybody please send me some information on how to get
>an e-mail account in Karachi. I need to know exactly what I'll need and
>what I'll have to do.
>Asad

You can dialup 455-9448 in Karachi with modem settings (1200 to 14400 baud),
N81 and set up an account for the internet access. Send mail to "root"
to get registered. Local email is free and the data transportation cost
(subsidized) is about 0.03 cents per character (i.e., 66 cents per a
page of 2000 characters) for the internet/bitnet/MCImail/etc worldwide.
For more information contact Usman Anwar in Lahore (42)-830111.

Ashar Nisar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: "My" Previous Post
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:05:47 GMT

To Brian Willnecker :

You've made yourself pretty clear and there's really no need to 
apologize so many times.

--Javed
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan)
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:39:55 GMT

In article <gf3JGxy00iV405p1kR@andrew.cmu.edu> Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Thats all I can say after reading all about the protest march. What is
>bhutto thinking..?
>She is etting unassuming people killed so that she can govern.
>I'm sure she knew that the march would cause unrest and maybe even a lot
>of people hurt. If she really had something for the masses she shouldn't
>have done what she did. Three people died hundereds were hurt. Is this
>what is meant by politics.
>What is she trying to do. She is killing people for the office.
>She should be ashamed of herself.
>She knew that there will be unrest which meant lots of people getting hurt
>but she wasn't at all bothered she went ahead with it.
>If there is an unpatriotic act that is one.
>The government offcourse had to stop it, a large crowd is a potential
>terrorist target.
>First it was karachi and now islamabad where police is being stoned.
>I'm sick and tired of this politics of agitation

Several questions:

1)  Do you believe Pakistan would be better served with a democratic form
of government?

2)  If so, then considering the fact that Mrs. Bhutto is the only Pakistanii
leader ever to be democratically elected, wouldn't you agree that she more
than anyone else should lead the pro democracy forces?

3)  If you agree with question 1 but not question 2, then who else should lead
Pakistan to democracy and why?

4)  You obviously disagree with Mrs. Bhutto's tactics against the current
government.  What other tatics would you suggest she use? 


-- 
Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
Engineering Science 9T3                <rr@odin.control.toronto.edu> 
University of Toronto                    
Organization: Systems Group 82, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: God help pakistan
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:12:29 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Thats all I can say after reading all about the protest march. What is
bhutto thinking..?
She is etting unassuming people killed so that she can govern.
I'm sure she knew that the march would cause unrest and maybe even a lot
of people hurt. If she really had something for the masses she shouldn't
have done what she did. Three people died hundereds were hurt. Is this
what is meant by politics.
What is she trying to do. She is killing people for the office.
She should be ashamed of herself.
She knew that there will be unrest which meant lots of people getting hurt
but she wasn't at all bothered she went ahead with it.
If there is an unpatriotic act that is one.
The government offcourse had to stop it, a large crowd is a potential
terrorist target.
First it was karachi and now islamabad where police is being stoned.
I'm sick and tired of this politics of agitation
GOD HELP US
Asad
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: By-elections in Pakistan
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:51:11 AET
Keywords: By-election
Distribution: world
Organization: UCQ


Does any one know when the by-elections are due in Pakistan?
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Islam: One religion: no sects
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:25:37 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

>From: nadeem%igpho@uunet.UU.NET (Nadeem Malik)
>Subject:The Seal Of Prophets, Reply to Raheel Khan: R1
>Date: 21 Nov 92 21:45:39 GMT

	Islam: One religion, no sects.
>
>
>
>It should be made clear that only the modern day Muslim Scholars consider
>people who believe in continuity of Prophethood as not Muslim. But then,
>the Holy Prophet said that 72 out 73 sects in Islam in the latter days would be
>astray and only one would be rightly guided. So where does this leave us! Again
>

        And if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to
        Allah and the Messenger. (4:59)

        This is my path, so follow it.  Follow not other ways
        lest ye be parted from his way. (6:153)

And the words of Allah (swt) are true.

        Hold fast together by the Rope which Allah (streches out for
        you); and be not divided amoung yourselves.  Al-e-Imran 3:103

        As for those who divide their religion and break up into
        sects, you have no part in them in the least; their affair
        is with Allah.  He will in the end tell them the truth of
        all that they did.  Al An'am 6: 159

        Obey Allah and His Messenger and fall into no disputes,
        lest you lose heart and your power depart.  And be patient
        and perseving; for Alllah is with those who patiently
        persevere.  Al Anfal 8:46

        By Allah! That is the standard Religion, but most men
        among mankind understand not.  Turn back in repentence
        to Him, and fear Him.  Establish regular Prayer, and be
        not among those who join gods with Allah;  those who
        spilt up their religion, and become (mere) sects, each
        party rejoicing that which itself.  Al Rum 30: 30-3

        The same Religion has He established for you that which
        He enjoined on Noah; that which We have sent by inspiration
        to you; and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and
        Jesus; namely, that you should remain steadfast in religion
        and make no division therin.  Al Shura 42:13

And the words of Allah (swt) are true.
  

>
>Nadeem Malik
>

-Rukhsana Merchant
From: ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 11:23:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cf3zdWu00WBO434bho
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>  
>        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
> champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
> believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
> two women. This is Grabage."
>  
> So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
> No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
> paradise. 
>  
> What you guys think ?
That's a very sensitive issue.
I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
go pray every Friday afternoon.

Asad
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:16999 soc.culture.indian:37866
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: PLEASE BE CAREFUL ( was Re: ( important) Re: CFV: Soc.religion
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:11:37 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


Mr. Saggaf writes:

>An article appeared here from a certain Mr. Mansour Jafri with a
>caltech address asking people to send their votes about the above
>group to him. That article is forged and has the WRONG VOTING ADDRESS.
>It should not have been posted or approved. It has been deemed wrong
>and invalid by the Usenet newgroups administrator. Please vote NO and
>send your NO vote to the address:
>
>8
>	 rana@ucsu.colorado.edu
>
>with the sentence
>
>	I vote NO to soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya
>
>somewhere in the body of your letter.  You may want add the line
>
>	Return-Receipt-To: (your email address)
>
>to your message header to get a confirmation of the receipt of your
>letter and save th2e confirmation as a proof of your vote.
>
>Please VOTE!
>
>If you have sent your vote to the wrong address, please vote again.
>YOUR PREVIOUS VOTE WOULD NOT COUNT. If you have forwarded the message
>containing the wrong address to a mailing list, p8lease forward this
>message also so that they may vote again.
>
>The voting period expires December 3. Please vote now.
>
>Wassalam,
>2
>/M. Saggaf
> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu
============================================================
2

I am not sure who is correct; Jafari of Saggaf?  I would request all
Muslims to send their NO VOTE on both addresses. It seems either of 
the two is conspiring to waste no votes.  Please be careful.  

Wassalam,

Asad.
From: x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: ATTENTION::COLUMBUS, OHIO RESIDENTS
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:58:34 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hello Friends,
	      I am looking for the telephone nos. and addresses
of the  

	MIDWEST  UNIVERSTIES  CONSORTIUM 
	  FOR INTERNATIONAL ACTIVITIES
		    (MUCIA)

Four years ago William Flinn used to be the Executive Director 
in Columbus, Ohio.

They had the treasurer office in University of illonois at  Chicago, 
Champaign.

If anybody could assist me place this consortium office, I would
really appreciate it.

Atif Mumtaz
2918 Redwood St. E-103
Kalamzoo, MI-49006
x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu
(616) 385-3909

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< PERSEVERENCE COMMANDS SUCCESS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>







Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ?  No Way !!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:53:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <23NOV199208112105@vxcrna.cern.ch> mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.191125.26371@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes...
>> 
>>       I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>>	from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>>champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>>believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>>two women. This is Grabage."
>> 
>>So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>>No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>>paradise. 
>> 
>>What you guys think ?
>	
>	Why not witness of a man be equal to the witness of 10
>	women Or may be there is no need for any women witness...
>
>	[Why go only 1500 years back why not 20000 years or more]
>
>Mirza Ilyas

 nonsense buddy , this principle of one man witness equal to two 
women witness is existing since Adam Alayh Salam Because every
prophet preached islam  , he preached the same thing what our 
prophet preached. But since you are non-muslim you cannot understand
it .: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: azia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ahsan  Zia)
Subject: **** Asad Hussain from Pakistan ****
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:55:24 EST

Dear Networkers, 

I am looking for Asad Hussain. He is in some university in England in the 
electrical department. He is from Lahore Pakistan and he has done MSc in 
Physics from Govt. College Lahore. I think he came to England in the 
beginning of Oct 92. If some one knows him or he him self reads this message, 
please contact me at the following email address:

azia@mailbox.syr.edu.

-Ahsan Zia,
School of Information Studies,
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:43:20 -0500 
From: Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
	<By1oqK.I1L@ecf.toronto.edu>

>Several questions:
> 
>1)  Do you believe Pakistan would be better served with a democratic form
>of government?
Yes, of course

> 
>2)  If so, then considering the fact that Mrs. Bhutto is the only Pakistanii
>leader ever to be democratically elected, wouldn't you agree that she more
>than anyone else should lead the pro democracy forces?
Nope...Ms. Bhutto isn't the only one. Mr. Sharif and Mr. Junejo are
there too, so the best of them or any other person capable of leading
Pakistan should and I think Ms. Bhutto playing the politics af agitation
is not the right person. Her strategy now doesn't show that she is
mature enough to run a country

> 
>3)  If you agree with question 1 but not question 2, then who else should lead
>Pakistan to democracy and why?
I answered above
> 
>4)  You obviously disagree with Mrs. Bhutto's tactics against the current
>government.  What other tatics would you suggest she use? 
She must have heard of a no-confidence move or negotiation
Otherwise I really cant suggest much I'm not a politician but certainly
not what she did

Asad