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   From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
   Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
   Date: 22 Jul 92 01:27:04 GMT
   Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
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   No, Mao is NOT a destruction oriented person.  Mao established a country, which
   is called as "New China".  Weather this "New China" is better or worse than 
   the "Old China" should be another issue, but only blinds cannot see the
   difference between "Old China" and "New China".  Mao is aggreesive and full
   of HuanXiang (illusion?).  

   Deng Xiaoping is a kind of manager type person.  If someone already founded a
   company such as the "P R China Corporation", he can work as a manager at this
   corporation.  In other words, if Mao did not exist, and if Chiang Kai-shek 
   still were the emperor of China and keep doing the corruptive things, Deng
   Xiaoping will *definately* NOT be able to destroy Chiang Kai-shek to establish
   a different China.

   Mao is a senior politician, Deng is a "tech"-politician.  Mao knew how to 
   control his people, Deng knows how to cheat his people.

   But, please be advised that we have millions of qualified personnels to work 
   as the manager of "P R China Corporation".  Let alone myself, most of the SCC
   readers can handle a better job than Deng.

   Also, please ask yourselves a question: why the Chinese seldom (almost never)
   support the real genuine people to be their "emperors"?

   shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: $10, add a first/middle name on passport
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:17:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.084442.1567@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
|> I have just done it for my daughter (7 year old).
|> 
|> The fee is $10 for mail-orders.  You need: (1) the passport, (2) fee ($10), (3)
|> a letter to request such change, (4) a proof that the name is already in use.
|> 
|> I wrote the letter in Chinese and used my daughter's honor certificates (Photo
|> copies) as the proof that the name is in use, and send all the above to the NY
|> consulate.  The passport came back in 1 week via certified mail.
|> 
|> Hope this helps.
|> 
|> BTW, I posted the procedures 4 weeks ago on s.c.c. saying the fee is $8.  That
|> was an error.  The fee should have been $10.  My appologies!
|> 
|> Cheers!
|> 
|> J. Yuan
|> 

$2 for the certified mail, the consulate charge actually $8.
From: 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Dingding CHANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CND Summer Olympics Special Issue (IV), July 31, 1992
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:37:22 GMT
Organization: Dept of Applied Physics, Waseda University
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wucc.cfi.waseda.ac.jp

In article <9207310442.AA09208@wurobot@wugate.wustl.edu> xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU (Bo Xiong) writes:


>
>7/30:
>Medals of the day: Gold  Silver  Bronze Total
>                     1      1      2     4
>
>LIN Li       : Gold. Women's 200-meter individual medley
>WANG Huifeng : Silver. Women's foil fencing
>ZHANG Di     : Bronze. Judo, women's 134-pound division
>?????????    : Bronze.  ????????
>
>[Editor's Note: While both AP and DJ reported that China has 21 bronze
>medals in total, the editors have not been able to determine the event for 
>which China won this unaccounted for Bronze medal.]


>                        GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING
>       57 KILOGRAMS                          62 KILOGRAMS             
>Gold -- Han-Bong An, South Korea       Gold -- Akif Pirim, Turkey     
>Silver -- Rifat Yildiz, Germany	       Silver -- Juan Maren, Cuba     
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Bronze -- Alexander Ignatenk, Unified  Bronze -- Wlodzimierz Zawadzki,
>          Team			                 Poland               
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

It should be:
 Bronze -- SHENG Zeshan , China

>
                                             From Japan, D.D.C

-- 
			D Chang
			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
From: ling@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Tianwen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 23 Jul 1992 10:38:09 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <91665@bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>I can not imagine the magzine like Time could make such a mistake.
     .
     .
     .
>So most Chinese people go to rivers, lakes, and beaches for swimming in 
>nature, rather than stay in a pool, which is a better place to wash 
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a pig before served for food.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
  I think you have effectively rebutted the original "60 swimming pool" claim.
But I have objection to your last sentence.  To me, "swimming" in a pool is 
like baby playing water in a bath tub.  It has absolutely no excitement, no
sense of adventure or the kind of joy one can get by embracing the nature.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.094611@cs.utwente.nl> xinli@cs.utwente.nl 
(Xinli Hou) writes:

   [LOTS deleted .. about TIME magazine's 'coverage' of China's Olympic 
    participation]
   Thank you.

   And one more suugestion: we should try to let people around us know 
   how "serious" TIME is. 

   Let Chinese know it, let American know it, let European know it, let 
   people all over the world know it.

   Xinli Hou

   University of Twente
   Enschede, The Netherlands

Xinli, there is a tribe living in the African rainforest that has had 
almost NO contact with the outside world for more than 40,000 years.  Most 
of the trails they walk have never even been seen by the eyes of other 
*African* tribes, to say nothing of European or American people.  I'm not 
sure they even know how to smelt iron ore.  

It is just barely possible that there are one or two small children in 
this tribe do not understand that American journalists are total fools, 
who do not make any attempt to understand the events they report on, and 
who have heads filled with a VERY high-grade vacuum ...

:-)  :-) 

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
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From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 27 Jul 1992 03:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.133532.10186@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>
>I would like to share my opion about San Mao's books: I don't like them
>either. I read her Sahara Desert and a couple of other books and got
>tired of them soon. IMO, San Mao is a little bit shen2 jing1 xi1 xi1
>(making fuss of nothing) (at least in her books). Her writing is
>completely woman-style (literally), 

It sounds very logical to me that a woman writes woman-style novels, isn't
it?

>but different from that of another woman
>novelist Qiong2 Yao2 in Taiwan. Qiong2 Yao2's books are drugs, so to
>speak, while San Mao's books are not worse than junk.
>
If they are drugs, they surely did not work for me. I would rather
say that Jin Yong's novels are drugs. I am addicted to them.

Chou1
From: vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: LuoShi YouYongChi (60 swimming pools)
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:13:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

For everybody's information, on p.777 of China Statistical Yearbook 1989
(published by State Statistical Bureau), table 18.20, there is a 
tabulation of 'Newly-Built Stadiums and Gymnasiums' which includes lines
for swimming pools and a sub-category indoor pools.  The numbers are as
follows:

                     1987              1988
Swimming Pools        155               366
Indoor Pools           35                61

I am not entirely sure what these numbers mean, though, because as I mentioned
the title of the table is 'Newly-Built Stadiums and Gymnasiums' so I am not
sure if the numbers are a count of pools built in the given year, or a count
of pools that existed in the given year that had been built within the last
few years.  My guess is that is a count of pools built that year.

Anyway, it looks like the lame-brained Time reporter maybe saw the number 61
for 1988 and assumed that was a count for all the indoor poolsin the country,
not a count of pools built in 1988.

Cameron
From: 54yang@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 'The Spirit of China.'
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:59:38 GMT
Organization: The Catholic University of America

In article <92203.110039EY04@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK, EY04@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
writes: TThe Spirit of ChinaU. 


I heard on  BBC Radio 4  today,  that  China has opened
up  a race course inBeijing  and  that plans were under way to open
more in other parts of China:Guangzhou etc. 

	For me, it is not surprising to see the opening
	of horse racing course and things like this, because
	China is in the process of "modernization" (which
	means "westernization" to many Chinese people).

	What strikes me is that THERE IS NO ANY DISCUSSION
	ABOUT THESE THINGS FROM DIFFERENT VIEWS	by different
	people in the media.  Therefore, this kind of things
	not chosen by people, but by those who have access
	to the power, and they want _money_ only, never
	care about morality and cultural values!!!

	From the news report by the People's Daily and Xinhua
	I can see now people in China can do anything in order
	to make money.  As long as it can make money, no
	moral concerns are raised.  I wonder where are we Chinese
	going?  When we gain material richness, we probably
	lost our souls.

	I don't like those political conservatives who are
	value everything according to the political idealogy.
	But do we still value things according to some kind
	of value system?  See, we are Chinese, should we
	value things according to our traditional moral values?

	A materially modernized society without moral and values
	is no better than a poor society with high spirit.

	Thanks for you--a Westerner who is thinking for good
	for the Chinese, Chinese culture and Chinese society.
	Definetely our Chinese should think and talk about
	this concern too.

it is even more remarkable to me,that this, TSpirit of ChinaU still
exists amongst the general population, aspirit of  community,
happiness;  perhaps, due  partly to the old communistsystem idea of
Tworking togetherU, and  ChinaUs isolation in the past. Maybe,you
think that as a westerner, I have an idealised view of China, and that
 living there for any length of time would soon change my
mind.Doubtless you maybe right, but I canUt help but think that
this pursuit of western Ideas andvalues will only lead to the
greedy, self-centred society that seems to typifyso much in the
west, and this, I feel  can only be to the detriment of China. 

	Agree!  Yes the people living in China have many
	difficulties and miserable things everyday.  But
	we want a better society, not another kind of
	miserable society.
	
I have respect for the Chinese
people.So I write this to encourageChinese people to think first,
before you: Ttake on boardU ideas from the west.China has so much
of its own.

	I, as a Chinese, appreciate very much your concern.
	If you can write an article to the People's Daily
	or China Daily (an English paper published in Beijing),
	it may be more helpful.

	The Chinese media and government more often listen
	to foreiners than the Chinese.  This is strange, but
	it is a reality.  It is sad to us, but not bad to you.:)


	Fenggang Yang
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: arrogance
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:46:00 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul29.230247.19395> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <76nmkx#.kemnitz> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>>
>>If it's any consolation for Chinese views upset with NBC's coverage, their
>>coverage is getting panned by the press and worst: NBC's ratings (especially
>>on the Olympic Triplecast) are much lower than is typical for Olympic ratings.
>>It looks like NBC will lose several hundred million $$$ on all this, and will
>>have to do lots to recover their sports reputation.  Next time I hope ABC
>>covers the Olympics - they may not be as flashy as NBC, but they seem to know
>>international sports better.  When I was a kid, ABC always carried the
>>Olympics, they didn't seem to be nearly so jingoistic.  *Gasp* they would
>>even show Russkies getting medals...
>
>I will be 4 years older by that time. To be safe, I had better go
>back to China, to see who will be those champions.

Next time it will in Atlanta, no need to go further. Anybody wants
to reserve rooms?  

:-)
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:09:15 GMT
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics

>In article <1992Jul27.225602.29323@serval.net.wsu.edu>, hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul27.024420.17671@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>|> |> I read this from World Journal: Why Chines won the Champaign Math
>|> |> Olympic? because they spent 365 days a year in math. Well for a loser,
>|> |> there is always something to say.
>|> |> 
>|> |> Tingli Pan
>|> 
>|> If it was true (very likely), I would feel sorry for those kids. They would
>|> have missed one of the best time of their lives.
>

Spending 365 days a year in math?  Let's not forget what we did in our high
school time.  There were so many courses to study, useful or unuseful.  We
had to arrange our time for various subjects in order to pass the exams of
every semester (of course, having a broad knowledge is not a bad thing).
Those kids are no exception, though nowadays the school policyies seems to
have become more flexible and students with special interest can spent more
time on their favorite subjects.  They may attend some special study groups
or some special training programs in math, but still have to be fairly good
in other subjects.  If they spent all of their time on math and doing good
in nothing else, they would not be considered good students and would not
be allowed to attend the Olympic contest.

On the other hand, as another netter pointed out, doing math all day is
really fun for some people......I believe, in the eyes of those kids, math
is more like art than just tedious homework.

Have fun! (whether you are doing math or not.)
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Olive Tree
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:11:00 GMT


          The translation provided by Hu Xiaoping is of super quality.
          Translation is a hard job as we said Lu Xun4 does not do
          well.  But olive tree is really a good poem in itself. 
          Another poem I like the most:

              People walk in this world
              as horses around their posts

                                    --- Gu Cheng

          Another one I like:

              When the music is over
              Turn off the lights, turn off the lights.
                  
                                    --- Jim Morrison, Rock Star

          It is like miao4 yu4's favorate poem by Fan4 cheng2 da4:

              Even if you have a one-1000-yr iron door step
              You still need a grave

             (zong4 you3 qian1 nian2 tie3 men2 kan3
              zhong1 xu1 yi1 ge tu3 man2 tou2)

          Reading this kind of poems is like reading Einstain's
          formula  E=MC, for you cannot believe a few word can release
          some much meaning.

              

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From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Please post
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:24:35 GMT

In article <01GMYHVX39A8000L11@hkucc.hku.hk> SWMSTUDY@HKUCC.HKU.HK writes:
>
>The following is the description of the stamp by a Wall Street
>Journal Reporter:
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    BEIJING - Chinese philatelists claim to have spotted a daring political
>protest on a stamp issued by China to mark the Summer Olympics in Barcelona.
> 
>    The newly minted stamp shot up in value after collectors noted that the
>numbers pinned to the shirts of three marathon runners depicted on the stamp
>correspond to the date of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, June 4, 1989.  One
>athlete is tagged 64, a short-hand used by Chinese to refer to the month and
>day when troops and tanks fired on pro-democracy protesters around Beijing's
>main square.
> 
>    The runner next to him is number 9, and to his left is number 17.  Stamp
>dealers note that 1 plus 7 equal 8. By a leap of logic, they say, the numbers
>identify the year 1989.  None of the other runners have numbers.
>--------------------------------------------------------------

Come on, don't be silly. Given several numbers, chances are  you
can get something meaningful if you do some add/minus/mult/division to
these numbers in a proper way.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sijin@dxcern.cern.ch (Sijin Qian)
Subject: Retrieve SCC articles and anonymously log-in to read SCC
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:25:15 GMT

I wish to read some articles posted some time (say 1-2 months) ago, but my
local computer only keep the articles for 10 days at most. Would any one
knows how to retrieve the SCC articles, or "can I anonymously log-in some
sites to read SCC (I remember sometimes ago a computer in Kentukey [or
Tennessee?] offered this kind of service)"?
I would appreciate it very much if some one would be able to enlighten me.
								-Sijin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:50:12 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul23.080705.12773@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>
>I have been following your postings now for several weeks and to be quite 
>honest, you are sort of an enigma to me.  Given your unwaivering certitude of 
>the moral, intellectual and ecoconomic superiority of China over every other 
>country in the world, regardless of the issue at hand:

Let me answer the questions for Shi Chunde

>
>1.  What has kept you from returning to China?

He never said he would not return to China. Qian XieSheng, the
father of Chinese rockets Long March series, stayed in USA for
more than 20 years and was a professor in MIT before he returned 
to China. On the time he left USA, the Secretary of State said 
he was worth a division of army. Prof Qian has proven that he 
is worth more than it.

How much Shi Chunde will be worth when he returns to China?
I guess more than 1 division of army.

>
>2.  What possible attraction does the US have for you?

His university needs him and employed him. This is the reason
for him to stay.

>
>Please do not get the impression that I am asking you to leave.  

Well, maybe, you are afraid of another division of army will
leave USA and join China.

>
>Robert Sanders

J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
From: ujlywd1o@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: THIS IS A TEST
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:47:36 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

THIS IS ONLY A TEST!
From: siqif@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Siqi Fan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:26:25 GMT
Subject: Re: [Repost] Ridiculous Health Insurance Plan [Part 1]
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china

The only way to get around is to fight to the end. You'd better have everybody
involved including forgien students from other countries united, even some
press like TV and newspaper...

I reminber we were constantly screwed by a whole a bunch of people at the
International Student Office. They looked at us third class citizens even
some of them came from other countries.

Not body gives a damn about you but youself.

Keep fighting!
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China goes for broke
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:55:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

There is an article in the recent issue of british Economist magazine
(July 24 1992), which said that Deng's recent drive for faster economy
is a "go for broke".

The author seems to imply that 10% increase rate in economy over
inflation rate is not realistic for China, although South Korea
has done this during 1965-1988. He seems to point out thate the 
real problem is to sort out the state entrepreneurs which lose money. 
He is afraid of another event in 1992/3 like the Tiananmen event 1988/9.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lzh@cco.caltech.edu (Zhaohong Li)
Subject: 1 gold for China
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:44:46 GMT

Heard in the radio:

Mark Lenz of US defeated Tan Liangde of China
to win the men's springboard diving title.

China's women swimmer won another gold in
a event, probably in 100m breaststoke.   

A us swimmer won a gold in a men's event.
From: ujlwh49s@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: From NBC, all americans USED drugs!
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:01:12 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Again and again NBC has suggested that chinese athelets may have 
systematically used steroids. There will be more coming up tonight. (Friday)
The reasoning behind all this ... is that former East Germany has done 
that, they beat americans in swimming. Chinese women now win some medals,
the coach is from Germany, therefore, chinese used drugs too.

This is the logic NBC has used for a international scandal. Unfortunately,
one can use the same logic to get the conclusion that All american athelets
have used drugs!!! It goes like this: Americans won more swim medal than 
any other contry in history, East G. has won some by using steroid, therefore,
USA used more drugs than E.G. or any other country. Americans has not been
able to win a team medal in Gym. in the last fourty years, suddenly they
got one, the coach is from Romania (communist country too), the only
possibility then is steroid.  The list can go on and on.

If anchors on NBC do not have to speak responsibly, one does not have to 
speak priviately. Even the President can lie. (One forgot so quickly that
"no new taxes" slips on the lips to be " no new sexes"?). Even the President
lies, everybody in this country then lies. What do you expect? 

With this in mind, one can say that all drugs will contribute to the 
performance in the Olympic, including cocane, crack, etc. Cocane affects
your performance even more than steroid. USA is the biggest consumer of drugs
in teh world, even Clington did it, therefore one can safely say, all medals
that USA has won were more or less have something to do with drugs. 

After all,  lies become truth after repeated a thousand times. 
Or lies become truth because NBC says they are?

For you entertainment only. Please do not screw with me, or I will screw
back. Thank you.
 
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