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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: YAGR (ball in tree)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:39:56 GMT

maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern) writes:

>Then there was the day on a long par 4, second shot from a downhill, sidehill
>lie.  Hitting a 4 wood with an OB fence on the right side, I managed to put
>4 balls over the fence in the same woman's yard (there WAS a wind blowing out).
>She commented that my group wasn't very accurate today.  Had 13, but broke 50
>on the nine easily.

This reminds me of a time in the club championship at my old course.  The
9th hole is a 490 yard par 5 that has OB left and a driving range on the right
that was inbounds in those days (its out now.)  In the first round I hit
a ball onto the range, and hit a provisional that also went out there.  I
went out and spent 5 minutes looking, but couldn't find either of my balls
among the thousands of balls out there (guess I should have used one of the
red-striped ones :-).  So, I marched back to the tee and proceeded to hit a
nice huge hook that went OB.  I finally got my fourth tee shot in play and
managed to make a 6 with that ball for a nice 12.  The next day during the
second round of the championship, I hit my first tee shot on the range
again went out and found it, knocked it on the green and made a 25 footer
for eagle.  So, my score for the two rounds of the championship on that
hole were 12,3.

John Vander Borght
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From: dhug2223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David H. Uttal)
Subject: Re: My favourite golfers are...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:28:02 GMT

pat@mks.com (Pat Inglis) writes:

>My favourite golfers are -

>-Duffy Waldorf because how can you not like a golfer named 'Duffy'
>-Fred Funk beacuse his name sounds cool. He's Fred. He's Funky. He's
> Fred Funky 
>-Dave Barr because he's a Canadian and he still has the guts to wear that
> cheezy blue sweater/vest thing during every damn tournament

Don't forget Ken Green, Psychgolfer!

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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Switch-hitting  (WAS Re: Ruling Question)
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:46:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bs0rIK.5Jy@acsu.buffalo.edu> v5875bza@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael M Gorman Jr) writes:
>>....still sounds pretty impressive...maybe you should carry one
>>right-handed club in your bag for occasions like this 
>
>If you're really into this sort of thing, there's a way to hit opposite-
>handed by turning the club upside down--i.e., toe down.  It's on the
>Nicklaus Golf My Way video, which is in at least some video stores.
>
>He, at least, is really good at it.
>
>
>MG

Actually, I've found this to be a valuable shot.  Anyone can pull
it off.  I found out about it because I learned it as a trick shot.
The trick is not to try to muscle it with your arms; for most 
people, it's a wrist shot, about 25% arms and 75% wrist.  It will 
still fly a decent distance.  You can experiment with the club.  I
like a pitching wedge, but that ends up being hooded from the left
side, so I compensate.  Tilt the clubface to create the right loft.

To learn it, take a bucket of balls, and hit some off a tee with
your wrists, then gradually work the ball nearer the ground until
you are hitting it off the ground.  Most people have more success
sweeping it rather than pinching it like a regular iron shot.

Believe it or not, this shot is easy to hit off your knees, so it
does wonders under trees!!  Go try it....sorry for the rambling
nature of this post!!

Jeff          wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Cook blows British Open
Reply-To: matty@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.184210.9144@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
|> ------------
|> 
|> Well, I'm surprised nobody has commented on the final round of the 
|> British Open. Faldo blew his 4-stroke lead he had entering the last
|> round and fell behind John Cook by 2 strokes after 15 holes. Cook
|> promptly choked by missing a 2-foot birdie put on the par-5 17th - the
|> only easy hole on the back 9. After a good drive on 18, Cook blew his
|> approach shot and left his difficult chip about 10 feet away, and of course
|> missed that put to settle for bogie. Thus, Cook totally blew his last
|> two holes. Congratulations to Faldo, however - his first 36 holes of the
|> championship and last 3 or 4 were superb!! Not many people have 3 Open
|> wins - and Nick may even tie Tom Watson's 5 wins. 
|> 
|> -Ron


	What is the record # of British Open victories for any player?
	(also, the 3 American Majors + overall aggregates?)

	Faldo just turned 35 + has won 6 majors (I think) 
	3 Opens, 1 US Open, 2 Masters.

	What is the comparative performance of other champions at this age?

	tom
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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian Masters
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:41:31 GMT

On the second day, when the last players have played 9 holes, but most
people have finished, here are the leaders:

-5 Howard Clark, England
   Anders Forsbrand, Sweden
-4 Jose Maria Olazabal, Spain
   Steven Richardson, England
   Per-Ulrik Johansson, Sweden
   Robert Karlsson, Sweden

Nick Faldo is on -2, Ballesteros finished at +4 and Craig Stadler (I mention
him because he is a public favorite here in Sweden, together with Seve).

The cut is predicted at +2 (more wind this second day).

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From: jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks)
Subject: Re: WANTED: PING golf clubs
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:13:29 GMT


|> mkellner@Apple.COM (Michael Kellner) writes:
|> : I'm looking for a "Ping" putter. It is a gift for my beloved mother who is
|> : an avid golf fan. She says that this putter is made in Scottsdale and that
|> : it goes "ping" (I guess when you hit the ball).
|> : 
|> : She'd also like a set of clubs made in Scottsdale.
|> : 
|> : If you've got any leads, please let me know.
|> : 
|> : 
|> : Thanks,
|> : 
|> : Mike Kellner
|> 
|> Ping putters (and irons and woods) are made in Phoenix.  You can buy
|> them at just about any pro shop or golf discount store.  Putters were the
|> first product they made, and the original ones really did "ping" when
|> you hit them sweet.  The "ping" on the later models is not quite as
|> pronounced.  They have 8 or 10 models of putters now.
|> 
      The first PINGS were actually made in the Scottsdale plant... and
    now are very much a collectors item  the lady in question has very
     expensive taste.. some PING originals go for over $1500.00

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From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian Masters
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:30:11 GMT

oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland) writes:
- 
- I would definitely like to SM on tv, but to my knowledge it has not been explicitly 
- scheduled by the Swedish Television. They are concentrating on the Olympics.
- Do you have any other information?
- 
- Odd Ivar Lindland
- PhD-student
- University of Trondheim
- NOWRWAY

Today is the first day, and last I heard only half of the players had
finished their round. A calm day, the scores are low, and Stephen
Richardson from England leads on 6 under par (66).

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From: millard@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Millard Edgerton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Clubs for Sale
Keywords: Drivers
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:56:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center


   
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From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Driving distances
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:53:40 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul31.145034.11621@proton.llumc.edu>, dye@edison.llumc.edu (Leonard Dye) writes:
|> The other day someone was telling about John Daly's drives being 300+ yards and
|> I was wondering why his average is only 280 or so. Does the PGA averages includelay ups off the tee like a 400 yard par 4 with a 3 wood? Any comments on why hisaverage driving distance is much lower?
|> 
|> Leonard Dye
|> dye@proton.llumc.edu

I think they must be in the fairway to count in the average.

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From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Donna Andrews Penalty (Was: Pulling Flagstick)
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:48:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <712244406@volga.cs.duke.edu> rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>>But after finishing the round, the officials slapped her
>>with a second penalty stroke for not replacing the ball
>>to where it was before she accidentally hit it.
>
>Well, the problem was is that she didn't mean to hit the ball.  By definition,
>a stroke involves the intent to hit the ball.  That's why a person who starts
>to take their backswing and even starts forward to hit the ball can jerk
>the club around so that they miss the ball if they decide at the last moment
>they don't really want to hit the ball, WITHOUT IT COUNTING AS A STROKE.  
>However, a "whiff", where you do mean to hit the ball, counts as a stroke.
>Thus, what she did in accordance with the rules, is cause the ball to move 
>after addressing it, a one stroke penalty, and it also requires replacing the 
>ball, which she failed to do, another one stroke penalty.

That's absolutely insane.

You're telling me that if I walk up to a ball and make a good cut at it,
that's one stroke, but if I muff it accidentally, it's two unless I put it
back?

From what I've seen, she essentially made a very lousy putt, whether she
wanted to or not.  It should count as ONE, play it where it lies, no
penalties, no nonsense.

The whole point of this game is to hit the ball into the hole by using
your sticks.  Under a few rare conditions (like construction that doesn't
really belong on a golf course, but is there anyway) a player should be
allowed to move the ball to a safer location.  If you lose your ball, you
deserve to lose stroke and distance.  It can't be that simple, but that is
the essence and it should be the goal of any rule maker or interpreter.

There are too many armchair lawyers
around who get their jollies out of imposing penalties and thinking up
weird excuses to get players out of holes they deserve to be in.
-- 
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From: smith@cs.tulane.edu (Lon Smith)
Subject: Where is FAQ?  
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:14:31 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9044]: hercules


This is a simple request could someone please send me the address
of the FAQ for this group.

Thanks
Lon

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Yet Another Rules Question
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:44:34 GMT

brash@reg.triumf.ca (BRASH, ED) writes:
>Don't give up so easily, Ron, I am not convinced that you were wrong.
>For example, Player A could have say played a high five wood to the
>green, which Player B knows is about 200 yards away.  Player B, not
>knowing how much his ball will be affected by the wind, decides to 
>play a knockdown 3 iron and keep it out of the wind.  After the hole
>he asks Player A what he played, and thereby can gain some insight on
>how the wind is going to affect a high wood shot, which he may have
>to hit later on in the round.  

>What do you think ?

A couple of decisions about advice are:

8-1/6 Asking opponent of fellow-competitor what club he used at previous
hole.

Q During the play of the 6th hole, A asked B what club he had used at the
4th hole.  Was A in breach of Rule 8-1?

A No.

-----
8-1/7 After Player has played to green he asks opponent or
fellow-competitor what club he used in playing to green.

Q A plays his second shot which lands on the green.  B does likewise.  A
then asks B what club he used for his second shot.  Was A in breach of Rule
8-1?

A No

-----
8-1/8 Comment about club selection after stroke

Q After playing a stroke, a player says: "I should have used a 5-iron."
Was the player in breach of Rule 8-1?

A If the statement was made casually, there was no breach.  If the
statement was made to another player who had a shot to play from about the
same position, there was a breach.

-----
8-1/2 Inquiring as to distance from certain object to green

A player may ask anyone to inform him as to the distance from a permanent
object, e.g., tree, bunker, sprinkler head, etc., to the cneter of the
putting green.  Information as to the distance from a permanent object to a
putting green is public information.

A player may ask only his parnter or either of their caddies to inform him
as the distance from a non-permanent object, e.g., his ball, to the putting
green.


John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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From: derek@oceania.com (Derek Collison)
Subject: Re: Favorite shots to WATCH?
Reply-To: derek@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:31:39 GMT


	I believe that some of my favorite shots are full shots such that  
the camera is on the player, then cuts to an overhead (blimp or tower)  
such that the viewer can see the ball flight (especially blimp), and  
finally a cut to the landing, from a view looking back at the player.

my $.02

=derek
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From: tosca@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Crispin Russell)
Subject: Re: Donna Andrews Penalty (Was: Pulling Flagstick)
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:35:46 GMT

From article <1992Jul28.123058.28039@enea.se>, by tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson):
> cs@met.ed.ac.uk (C Smith) writes:
> - 
> - |> In article <1992Jul25.145924.2831@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
> - |> >
> - |> >And how about this girl in the US Women's Open who got cheated
> - |> >out of a stroke by a stupid, unfair rule.  I don't know her
> - |> >name, but she mistakenly tapped the ball while setting up
> - |> >her putt -- she, of course, took the one stroke penalty.
> - |> >But after finishing the round, the officials slapped her
> - |> >with a second penalty stroke for not replacing the ball
> - |> >to where it was before she accidentally hit it.
> - |> >
> - |> >That's totally unfair.  What possible advantage could there
> - |> >be to leaving the ball where she accidentally hit it?  She
> - |> >already got penalized one stroke.
> - |> 
> - |> Well, the problem was is that she didn't mean to hit the ball.  By definition,
> -   .....
> - 
> 

(*** stuff deleted ***)

> This is similar to another situation:
> 
> You have a bad lie in the rough under a tree. You try to hit the ball
> to the fairway, but misses it entirely and only manages to cut of a
> branch of the tree. Should this count as one or two strokes? (if you
> don't try to hit the ball, but only makes a practice swing, it will
> cost you two strokes for cutting the branch)
> 
> -- 
> =============================================================================
>  Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
> =============================================================================

Hold on!  Did I miss something there?  I admit to not knowing the rules as 
well as I would like, but thats one I've never heard of.  How does one acrue
a two stroke penalty for defacing a tree (however unintentionally)?  What other
obstacles does this apply to and where?

Tosca
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From: wynn@darvon.asd.sgi.com (Terry Wynn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf Schools in San Diego
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:52:20 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Any suggestions for Golf Schools in the San Diego Area?

p.s.  for hackers.

Thanx

Terry Wynn
Silicon Graphics
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: How to pull out the flagstick....
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:23:35 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <92Jul28.164917.39040@acs.ucalgary.ca> kozlowsk@acs.ucalgary.ca (Don M. Kozlowski) writes:
>as not to damage the hole. If you yank the pin out, and it jams, you end
>up pulling the cup up along with it. Sometimes the cup comes out, but
>more often it just creates a timy ridge aroung the hole. That's one
>reason why the ball seems to go in the cup willingly in the early
>morning, but veers off at the last second late in the day.

I've never seen that, but it's plausible, if most of the people at
the club are gorillas.

The real reason putts are harder to hole late in the day is that
there's a raised area of grass around the hole where all the
previous golfers have refused to step.

Every time you step on the green, the grass is pressed down up to
an eighth of an inch.  This happens all day long within 3 feet of
the hole, but nobody steps within five inches of the edge of the
cup.  The pin itself keeps you away, you don't want to damage the
area around the hole, and it's not physically efficient to put your
foot that close to your hand when pulling out the ball.

So, whenever I get to a hole late in the day (which is most of
the times I golf; I leave here about 3:30pm, usually), I make
a habit of stepping within that 5" annulus after we hole out,
to give the next group a break.

				--Blair
				  "New, from Nike:  the Greenskeeper Pump..."
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: TV coverage (Was: Cook blows British Open)
Reply-To: matty@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:30:19 GMT

In article <92Jul20.195336edt.230@smoke.cs.toronto.edu>, enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel) writes:
|> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
|> 
|> >I found another thing disappointing. In previous Opens we've 
|> >been treated to the BBC's coverage. This year it was the network
|> >coverage and it was quite sad by comparison. You get to see the
|> >top 4 or 5 competitors most of the time. A lot of closeups
|> >(who cares) of their faces and lengthy delays while we wait for 
|> >putts. 

	We got the BBC here, and it was superb, the commentry sparse
	and informative, and a good coverage of all the players.
	(Not that you want to see much apart from the leaders on the
	final day, but they spread it well I thought).

	tom
	(australia)

|> 
|> I'm glad to hear someone else thinks so too.  I just started watching golf,
|> but I thought the TV coverage was generally crap.  I'm going to watch the
|> Canadian Open in person - hope that's better than the TV.  
|> 
|> Robert Enenkel
|> (proud new owner of a #3 wood and a putter... :-)
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