From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: CALLING ALL WOMEN..WHERE ARE YOU?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:33:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec06.030522.18133@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec4.155859.6101@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>>jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>>>>sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>>>
>>>>>What, you're saying that these sweet little things just aren't MAN enough to
>>>>>stand up and fight for their beliefs? That their little sensitivities
>>>>>might get offended by somebody being, like, HARSH or something?
>>> 
>>>>Might be they'd rather do something productive than to fight the same
>>>>fights over and over and over against arrogant, close-minded rocks. 
>>>>Soc.women and alt.feminism is for those who get their kicks off
>>>>of flame wars & chatting. Nothing is DONE here...just talked about.
>>
>>I'm curious, what gets "DONE" in newsgroups? In which newsgroup do they
>>do more than just talk about things? Is that not what newsgroups are for?
>
>In general, Rich, of course you're right. "Talking" via electronic
>media is all that gets done...but then that's like defining my job
>as talking and typing (I'm a software test engineer ;) 

Jen, a bit ago, you said...

|From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
|
|Soc.women and alt.feminism is for those who get their kicks off
|of flame wars & chatting. Nothing is DONE here...just talked about.

What is it that you think could be "DONE here" given that you
percieve it's lack? And given that you agree that things can get
done just by talking?
 
>Hmmm...what else "gets done" on the net?
>
>In comp.msdos.misc and comp.msdos.programmer I've exchanged useful
>technical information...
>In soc.bi and pnw.motss I've found support, information and referrals
>in accepting my bisexuality...
>In rec.arts.erotica and alt.sex.stories I've 'published' a few works
>of fiction, and amassed a small collection of 'fan mail'....
>In alt.support.big-folks I've found support, information and referrals
>on diet scams, where to buy big clothes, fitness for large people, 
>and NAAFA....

All good, and valid, and you forgot to mention the binaries groups
like comp.binaries.ibm.pc.

This is what you would expect there, what do you expect here?
 
>Why do I read alt.feminism? Occasionally I learn something about people.
>Occasionally I start or fire a good one in a flame-war. VERY Occasionally I
>(*GASP*) get to interact with other women in computing (in my experience,
>such creatures are rare).

If you occasionally "learn something", then is not something being done
by your criteria above?

Your observation on women in computing being rare might have been posted
in response to the original thread "Re: CALLING ALL WOMEN..WHERE ARE YOU?",
instead of in this derivitive thread. That is, if you honestly do value
getting something done. Instead you voiced a complaint which seems at least
partially negated by this post.
 
>I have not resorted to a kill file; if I did, CL*YT*N CR*M*R would 
>probably be the only one in it. However, I *DO* wish that people would
>use the alt.dads.rights and talk.abortion and talk.rape and alt.child.support
>groups, and keep abortion, rape, dad's rights and child support in 
>those groups.... 

Actually, that thread -did- make it too my kill file, but the subject
line kept getting renamed. Today I started purging all the KILL files.
Oddly, the thread rini started in sci.skeptic (a gender neutral pronoun)
is still occasionally getting activity.

I have never put a poster in my KILL file, not even John_-_Winston.
 
>-jen
>
>>Rich


Rich

payner@netcom.com


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