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From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Re: music (and jaccuzi's) in labor rooms
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:04:04 GMT

In article <199301100338.AA15027@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>I just read about various peoples' selections of music during labor. 
>Ours was CBS's morning show or the weather channel (flipping :-). 
>For the persons liking country music, what better than the famous hit
>by Billy Ray Cyrus, "Achy Braky Back" ???
>
>Seriously now, a couple of you mentioned hospital rooms (Labor and Recovery
>Rooms) with Jaccuzi's (sp!). I wonder why? Our ob/gyn mentioned no
>sit-down baths AFTER labor for a few days (other than the magic wand 
>thing for the episiotomy :-)) and for the life of me I can't imagine
>someone being in labor in a jaccuzzi. I talked it over with my wife (who
>did all the work :-) and she couldn't fathom it either.
>
>Could someone share some light here? What good is a jaccuzzi in labor
>and/or delivery? ( I can see it useful in earlier stages in the process,
>i.e. conception :-))
>
They have them at Community Hospital here in Boulder and they are very popular.
The idea is that the warm water is very soothing, helps the laboring woman
relax so that labor can progress.  Apparently in some cases dilation can be
very rapid in the jacuzzi.  I was looking forward to spending a good part of
my labor in there, but when I tried it found that although the warm water was
soothing, I didn't want the jets on as the vibration seemed to make the pain
worse, not better.  I also found the shape of the tub difficult to relax in.
So it doesn't help in every case.  But friends of mine swear by it, and my OB
friend encourages people to use the jacuzzi to avoid epidurals, i.e., if labor
is not progressing quickly enough (in the mind of the woman, often the case!),
they are asking for pain relief, he will tell them to try give the jacuzzi a
try first.  Apparently this works most of the time.

Marilyn Walker

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:46:57 GMT

In article <1ig5f1INNf9l@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:

>supplemental bottles of water not only interrupt the demand for
>breastmilk, which might then lead to lower production of breastmilk,
>but bottles of water might also lead to nipple confusion.

Aaaaaaaannnnd: Because the child is getting its sucking reflex
satisfied and its stomach filled with water, it may not want to nurse
often enough to get adequate nutrition.  This is even true of (here we
go again) pacifiers.  Apparently, just the sucking is so satisfiying to
many babies that they don't feel the need to nurse as often as they
should.  When a breast-fed baby is showing a low weight gain, one of
the first things to do is eliminate all non-nutritive sucking.  I guess
this would apply to formula, too, but I haven't studied formula
feeding.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: MAGNET Schools
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:38 MST
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: world
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Keywords: MAGNET Schools
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Hello all,
  I am attempting to obtain as much information or opinions as possible
regarding peoples thoughts on the value of MAGNET schools. Schools that
offer either highly specialized courses or courses which are for one
reason or another, such as limited enrollment at a single school but
high enrollment at a centralized district site, valuable in that context
for providing and filling an overall need within a school district.
  I have run a random in district survey of opinions and I would like
to contrast that with opinions of educators around the country. This
particular MAGNET school services the needs of eleven high schools and
provides courses for not only college bound students but also vocational
and technical training courses. As examples, everything from computer
related courses (data-entry training through business to advanced place-
ment), building trades (general construction through cabinet making),
word-processing (court reporting through advanced word-processing tech-
niques), advanced classical and modern languages (Latin to Hebrew to
Japanese to Spanish to Russian, etc.),  pre-med, A.P. calculus/fortran,
A.P. physics, A.P. chemistry, aviation science, astronomy, an LPN course
which has a high school student qualified for their Licensed Practical
Nursing Certificate upon H.S. graduation, nursing assistant and homebound
aide program, etc.
  This is an important topic for us as we would like to make the program
even better and we need input from all sources to do so. 
  Unfortunately we need to present this Friday; January 15 so any opinions
you could send my way would be appreciated and forwarded on to the appro-
priate people as soon as they are received. If you could EMail to me at
me address below it would help to save a great deal of time but I will
also followup on the conferences.
			Thank you very much for your help in advance,
							Jim Skeba
======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Party for a 3yo help needed!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:21:00 GMT

My daughter will be turning 3 this year and we wanted to have a party at a
local Wildlife Park. This park has a petting zoo and a tram ride through about
80 acres with Rhinos, Zebras, a load of Deer, and other animals. My daughter
loves it. (and it s blast for me watching kids get excited when feeding them!)

Anyway when you have a party there, the parents must pay the total amount for
all being admitted into the part instead of the park being the middleman or
collectiong agency. I expect to pay for all the kids. The adults cost $7.00
each. Now I hate to be cheap, but when considering you have about 20 kids
coming that amounts to about 35 parents (give or take a few) and at $7 a pop,
you are talking some cash.

So am I just being cheap and should I pay for the parents as well, or is there
a way to gracefully state that the kids are free and the parents have to cough
up $7? And that they need to give this to me? (geez that doesnt sound to good
does it?)

Anyway, hints anyone?

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
*****************************************************************
From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pre-marital blood test
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:48:02 GMT
Organization: Mincom

In article <C0I5w4.D41@inews.Intel.COM>, vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha) writes:
> 
> 
> Also it is possible for the measles vaccination to wear off.  I was vaccinated
> as a child but discovered I no longer had the immunity when I had my pre-
> marital blood test a few years ago and had to be revaccinated.  One of my
> girlfriends has had to be vaccinated several times.  So perhaps the moms
> aren't passing on the immunity (though the breast milk I assume you meant) 
> because they, themselves are no longer immune.
> 
> Valerie


What is a pre-marital blood test? I've never heard of anything like that
over here. What happens if you fail? :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:35:30 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1ihl4lINNph7@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, Gary Stringfellow writes:
> 
> To widen the sample I am asking that you respond, if you have children
> or can verify this kind of data among your friends, with the number of times 
> the chart is correct and the number of times it is incorrect. I will post the 
> results once I have collected the data.

Oh, goody. I do love scientific tests of absurd hypotheses. The rare one 
that proves correct is always worth studying.

 [charts omitted]

> You can choose for yourself whether you want a boy or a girl by following the
> chart. The woman's age from 18 to 45 (Chinese reckoning) is on the top line
                                        ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
> while the months 1 to 12 indicate the month when the baby is conceived. By
> following the chart you will be able to tell in advance whether your baby will
> be a boy or a girl. Thus, you can plan to have a boy or a girl.
>           
> By reckoning, you follow a line drawn from the figure representing the woman's
> age to a line drawn from the month the baby is conceived. For instance, if the
> woman is 27 years old and her baby is conceived in January (according to the
> Chinese Lunar Calendar), then her baby will be a girl.
  ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
Almost all results you get from this poll will be useless as a test of this 
method, given that only a small fraction of misc.kids readers will have 
access to a Chinese lunar calendar.

My son was conceived July 25, 1991, in the middle of the sixth month of 
the Chinese lunar calendar. However, the Chinese tend to translate "sixth 
month" as "June," according to my Mandarin Chinese language instructor. So, 
do I look under "June" or "July" on the charts?

You should also clarify what is meant by "the woman's age (Chinese 
reckoning)". I seem to recall that the Chinese add one year to the date
as Westerners generally reckon ages, from the date of birth. Or do they 
add nine months, to yield the woman's approximate age since conception?
I was 31 years plus two months, by our reckoning--do I look under the
woman's age as 31 or 32?

Actually, I don't even need the answers to my questions--for all four 
possibilities, your charts predict that my son must be a girl! :-)

> This chart has been taken from a Royal tomb near Peking, China. The original
> copy is kept in the Institute of Science of Peking. The accuracy of the chart
> has been proved by thousands of People and is believed to be 99 percent
> accurate.                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Believed by whom? It is also believed to be 50% accurate--believed by me,
that is. :-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: The Schoo didn't fit
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:59:03 GMT

In article <11JAN199313341645@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <24665@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes...
>> 
>>I havn't seen anything lately in the local paper here, so if
>>there is any more info on this case, please post.  I'm interested
>>in what happens.

Since another murder tragedy in the Chicago area has taken the lead in
the news, there isn't much about the Schoo case heard, but I understand
there is an article about it in the current People magazine.  The trial
is going to be soon and then it will most likely be back as the top
story.
>> 
>I am really behind in my newspaper reading, but I do remember one
>short article on this that said the 4 year old had some developmental
>delays - only grunted instead of talking, for example. Did anyone
>else read this?

Yes.  The youngest child (I believe that's Nichole) is said to be very
developmentally slow, withdrawn, and does not speak.  The oldest child was
interviewed on the news right after the story broke and before the parents
were found, and I thought she seemed very intelligent and articulate for a
child of age 9.

But again, people outside of the Chicago area are most likely hearing
more about it that those of us here, because of the Brown's Chicken
incident involving the murders of 7 people.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: episiotomy study
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:22:59 GMT

In article <1iesgnINNs05@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:
>According to the blurb in _Mothering_, the study involved 1,050 birthing
>women and showed that the episiotomy procedure "proved of no value in
>the prevention of perineal tearing, caused no difference in birth
>outcomes (all the women had healthy babies), shortened the second stage
>of labor by nine minutes (not statistically significant), and failed to
>contribute to the 'enhancement of sexual functioning' after birth. 

In article <1if4qiINNpkj@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
> I have no problems with this study, except for one thing.  During my last
> delivery, ... [story of delivery with episiotomy deleted]
> The point is that, like so many backlash movements against unwise
> medical practices, there is a danger in going overboard with the
> backlash.

	I'm sure the authors of the study recognize the existence of
special cases such as yours.  That is why they recommended that
"LIBERAL or ROUTINE" [emphasis mine] use of episiotomies be abandoned.
(This summary was in Cindy's post, but for some reason you didn't
quote it.)  They didn't say ALL episiotomies should be abandoned.


-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.,  Plano TX                       +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
         "Are you kidding?  Your man has a camera.  My man has a flamethrower."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: In memory of Billy
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:33:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

 
Eric William "Billy" Fenno, 8 month old son of Stephen and
Cindy Fenno of Houston, died Tuesday, January 5, 1993.
 
God bless them all.
 
"Daddys don't just love their babies every now and then,
 it's a love without end.  Amen."
                            George Strait
(Mommys too.)
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Reply-To: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:29:21 GMT

We brought in a tape player a few tapes.  In the past, when I have had trouble
relaxing for falling asleep, I would listen to Kitaro (New Age).  Anyway, we
brought this tape with us.  Both my husband and I (especially me!) forgot about
it, but when labor was really intense, the doctor actual asked my husband if
we had brought music.  My husband set it up and helped me listen/concentrate
on the music during contractions.  I think it helped :)!  Anyway, it wasn;t
long after that that the babe was born, but I will definitely bring tapes this
time around.

Kirsten Werne
Mom to Alexander and ??? due 4/9/93
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo didn't fit
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:27:17 GMT


Wasn't the week the Schoo parents gone during Christmas?  I
think it was.  I feel that they are very horrible to leave
their children alone, and especially horrible that they
thought more about their vacation that their children's
Christmas.

I also heard on the news that the defense lawyer said that
we would be surprised to find out some things, and that
the Schoo parents would'nt be seen as bad as they are seen
now.  What on earth could be uncovered that would put them
in a better light?

Even if they had hired a sitter and the sitter didn't show up,
the police had said that the Schoo parents didn't even call
the girls to check up on them.

I havn't seen anything lately in the local paper here, so if
there is any more info on this case, please post.  I'm interested
in what happens.

Sandy
smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rw9601@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: toddler memory
Reply-To: rw9601@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 07:04:33 GMT

I'm new here on misc.kids, but I saw the thread on kids' memories,
and HAD to comment.  I have memories that go back to 1 and a half, 
so it's always important to remember that just because they're little,
doesn't mean that they'll forget.
 
                  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: Cutting it off (was: A few facts about circumcision)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:48:34 GMT

In article <765346d7228046t231@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
>In <1993Jan2.000410.15619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
># 
># In article <765343d3261909t221@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
[irrelvant nonsense deleted]
>[I said]
># I disagree, it comes down to a very simple principle:
># It is the boy's body, so it should be his choice.
>
>  Apply your "very simple principle" to the following (true)
>  case:
>
>  We are currently faced with the decision of cutting our sons'
>  Achilles tendons (and repairing same) to cope with idiopathic
>  toe-walking.  Toe-walking can end up destroying their ankles,
>  knees, and hips.  Surgery will GUARANTEE that they will always
>  have trouble running, jumping, etc.  Behavioral changes can
>  accomplish the same results without the harmful consequences,
>  but so far have not worked.  Time is running out.  Casting and
>  braces haven't helped.  Time is running out.  Do we have them
>  cut, or not?  Do we need your permission?  Dr. Edell's?  Do
>  we abdicate our responsibility to the superior judgment of a
>  six-year-old?  Do we wait until they're 18?

Poor analogy.  The procedure as you describe it is necessary.  The same 
claim can't be made for routine circumcision.

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:23:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan9.042348.4359
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:


>I wonder if the Schoo case is something really rare, or if it's more common
>than we think and they just happened to get caught.

The real problem I see is that after it is no longer 'newsworthy' i.e.
makes money, the Shcoo's and what they did will be forgotten, I hope
someone 'out there' would disagree

-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart)
Subject: First birthday party ideas?
Originator: shobart@dvlseq.us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:17:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

My son Christopher will be turning one year old on February 20.  We never had
any kind of formal christening or welcome for him when he was born, and now I
find I wish we had.  So we're thinking that the first birthday party could be
a "coming-out" (sorry, no pun intended!) party for him.   We're kind of stuck
for ideas beyond the usual "food, cake, presents" birthday party.  We'd like
to make the party more of a big welcome for Christopher and introduction to 
our friends.  The party guests will probably be mostly adults, with a few
kids (not many near Christopher's age).

Christopher also has a godfather, and we'd like to simply but officially
recognize him somehow.   I know the usual way to do that is at a
christening, but we didn't have one.  Although we're not agnostic (both
my husband and I were raised Christian), we also don't really do much with
formal religion, so we don't belong to a religious organization, so a
christening never happened.   Maybe we could have some kind of naming
or welcome ceremony now, but what?   I hate to grab some minister we don't
even know and ask them to sprinkle holy water over a one-year-old!

So my two questions are:

	1) What are good ideas for a one-year-old's birthday party?
	
	2) Do you have any ideas on how to recognize a godfather other
		than with a formal christening?

Thanks!

Sarah Groves Hobart
shobart@oracle.com


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: Cutting it off (was: A few facts about circumcision)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:14:27 GMT

In article <765351d8040993t249@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
>In <1993Jan6.214834.17149@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
># 
># In article <765346d7228046t231@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
># >In <1993Jan2.000410.15619@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)  wrote:
># ># 
># ># In article <765343d3261909t221@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
># >[I said]
># ># I disagree, it comes down to a very simple principle:
># ># It is the boy's body, so it should be his choice.
># >
># >  Apply your "very simple principle" to the following (true)
># >  case:
># >
># >  We are currently faced with the decision of cutting our sons'
># >  Achilles tendons (and repairing same) to cope with idiopathic
># >  toe-walking.  Toe-walking can end up destroying their ankles,
># >  knees, and hips.  Surgery will GUARANTEE that they will always
># >  have trouble running, jumping, etc.  Behavioral changes can
># >  accomplish the same results without the harmful consequences,
># >  but so far have not worked.  Time is running out.  Casting and
># >  braces haven't helped.  Time is running out.  Do we have them
># >  cut, or not?  Do we need your permission?  Dr. Edell's?  Do
># >  we abdicate our responsibility to the superior judgment of a
># >  six-year-old?  Do we wait until they're 18?
># 
># Poor analogy.  The procedure as you describe it is necessary.  The same 
># claim can't be made for routine circumcision.
>
>  Nice duck, but I'm not buying.  Obviously, if it were necessary
>  we wouldn't have any trouble deciding.  So, apply your simple
>  principle.  It's their bodies.  What do we do?

Despite your claims to the contrary, this situation is not analogous to 
circumcision.  Give it up, either provide reasons to continue routine
circumcision or admit that you have none.

Jim Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?