From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: re: Which Martial Art
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:19:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr7.151917.22548
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) says:

>Than I have the right one for you:
>
>It is called "Anti-Terrorist-Fighting" here in germany. I'm sure you find 
>a school in UK.
>
>You learn how to defend effectifly against all kind of attacks including
>all the usual weapons like knife, rope, pistol, baseball-bats, ..
>
>The techniques are usually very dirty and have nothing to do with
>traditional stuff. You learn how to knock-out your opponents as fast as
>possible with techniques that goes to the eyes, ears, kidneys, ...
>
>Check it out. You will like it. No traditional stuff. Their moto is
>"We don't want to win a price for beauty - we wanna be hard, brutal,
>effective, fast and without mercy".

Uh-oh.....another post claiming that other styles are for show and tell!


Flameflameflameflameflame...heheh...

>I do JiuJitsu with lots of ATF elements in it and it's great.

>JiuJitsu includes a lot of techniques from Judo, Karate, TKD, ATF, Kung Fu,
>Wing Tsung, ... .

Maybe your instructor is adding techniques from other styles, but other
wise your statement is the farthest thing from the truth.  JuJitsu
has aboslutely nothing to do with Karate, Kung Fu, wing chun and the like
and is a distant relative of judo and aikido.  All martial arts are
realated in a sense to the chinese arts becuase of the flow of martial
knowlege but that's where the buck stops.

>But you have to find a school that teaches progressive JiuJitsu and not
>traditional JiuJitsu or even Ju Jutsu.

Again that maybe with your instructor or dojo, and a local thing at that
but is not a general rule of JJ.

>I like Jiu because you not only learn to defend against all kind of weapons
>and open hand and kicks and whatever - you also learn to fall correctly
>if you are forced. Also several throws and holding and transporting 
>techniques are included. 

Again, this is included in many other if not all the martial arts.

>Jiu training is very interesting 'cause it has so many different
>techniques.

As do many other styles.  Kajukenbo is the most interesting "mutant"
martial art that I've seen.  But for those who don't believe that
learning 2000 techniques and kata is the answer, it doesn't mean
much.

>If you are in Scottland check also out Wing Tsung! A friend of a friend
>runs the only school of WT in scottland. I don't where it is but he said
>it's the only one.

For thost of you that don't know, Wing Tsun is Wing Chun.  It has
to do with political strife again (politics in martial arts? yuck!).
William Cheung and Leung Ting were both students of the late
Yip Man.  William was handed the Grandmaster title, and of course
there were differences between him and Leung Ting.  Leung Ting claims
that what William teaches is not the "real stuff"(tm), and that
he is the real grandmaster.  To prove this point he goes by the different
pronunciation/spelling.  Many of the confrontations that have come from
this ongoing conflict would probably make a good "Black Belt Theater" 
movie though...heheheh.

Marty
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