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From: margan@yale.edu (Aleks Margan)
Subject: Re: Jon and Kitaro
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Computing & Information Systems, Yale University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:22:18 GMT

In article <Bz9zyr.1Js@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, jssloka@monet.uwaterloo.ca
(Scott Sloka) wrote:
> 
> Keyboard magazine had an article this month reviewing an album by Kitaro featuring
> Jon Anderson on vocals.  Has anyone heard this album?  I'd love to buy it but it
> costs quite a bit here and it be nice to hear from people in the know how it is
> before I lay down the quid.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> 			-Scott

  I got it when it first came out in the States this previous summer.  It's
not bad.  It's very Jon and Vangelis-ish, but imagine Kitaro instead of the
Van-man.  It's not as musically enthusiastic as Vangelis's work, but is
"well-textured" in its keyboard sound.  I was dissapointed to find out that
Jon Anderson only sings on three or so of the songs, and I don't have a
large enough attention span to listen to the instrumentals many times.  It
makes great reading/studying/sleeping music, however.  I suggest buying it
used rather than new (you should be able to find a lot of copies sold back
by dissapointed Yes fans).  BTW, don't be surprised by the "ocean sounds"
that start the album.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mleipe@bcarh3ac.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mike Leipe)
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Keywords: Kaye, Squire
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:36:18 GMT

In article <1ganifINNh92@agate.berkeley.edu>, ding@sizzlean.berkeley.edu (Howard Ding) writes:

|> In Yes:The Authorised Biograpy, two primary reasons are
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does such a thing really exist?  Can anyone give me the details (author,
publisher, etc)?

|> 
|> The feeling given by this book is that Squire was the main
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> motivating force behind getting rid of Kaye, although Anderson
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In the "Yesyears" video Squire, when discussing the formation of the 90125
Yes, claims that he had always felt that Kaye's departure was "not entirely
justified", whatever that means.

MIKE

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From: farris@pion.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream about OOBE
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:53:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.out-of-body
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <90g2!4p@rpi.edu>, kaminl@aix.rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
> Ever have an OOBE within a dream? Or rather, dreamed about having an OOBE?
> It's happened to me twice. Sort of interesting, but I doubt it's the same
> experience as the real thing. Must have happened because I read alt.out-of-
> body.

Probably it is easier to go oobe within the dream state. Just a
conjecture. If you can learn to exercise some control over the dream
oobe, you could certainly subject it to the same sorts of tests that
have been recommended for waking oobes. Such as acquiring information
that you can't prove hasn't been attained by normal means.

Ask a friend, in the waking state, if you may visit by this means, and
then verify what you see with them later.

			cheers,
				Lorenzo
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
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From: avorwall@kasaan.enet.dec.com (Alan Vorwaller)
Subject: Re: Dream about OOBE
Reply-To: avorwall@kasaan.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:52:35 GMT

--
In article <90g2!4p@rpi.edu>, kaminl@aix.rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
|>
|>Ever have an OOBE within a dream? Or rather, dreamed about having an OOBE?
|>It's happened to me twice. Sort of interesting, but I doubt it's the same
|>experience as the real thing. Must have happened because I read alt.out-of-
|>body.
|>

Yes, I have.  But mine were not just regular dreams, but still a dream,
I believe.  

When I first started dreaming about oobe, I dreamt I rolled out of my
body just like all the experiences I have read about.  But as soon as I 
did, I woke up in bed.  I kept my eyes closed so as not to disturb the
dream.  My whole body had a very different sensation.  

In my dream I had to fight to keep control of movement once outside of 
my body.  I did rather quickly and started moving around and looking
at things.   I was not in my own apartment, but I could see, out of the 
corner of my eye where my body was resting.  It was not on my bed, but
on a couch or something.  I moved into the next room and noticed a door
at the end.  As I entered the door I saw a dark hole leading downward.
Other entities were passing me and continuing down the hole.  I didn't
like that so I went back into the room were my body was and I went
through the window cautiously.  As I did so I could feel, in my actual body,
me passing through the window.  When I got outside, I was somewhere I
had never been before.  Shortly after,  the dream ended and I got up.

The whole time I knew I was lying in my bed in my own apartment, awake,
but the dream still happened. 

This is the closest I feel I have come to oobe.  I still try but with no
success.

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'Oom papa chaka maka nava sing cow, ting caba lala walee double ching pow
 heavy caba lulu cama chela sing tee, oom mama chaka mana one is now free'
					(2NU, 'This is ponderous')

AV	     Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation 	     Ski Utah!
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:33:06 EST
From: Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Messages in alt.oobe
Distribution: alt.out-of-body

I was under the impresssion that all posts that get posted on alt.oobe get
automatically posted to this group.  Apparently alt.oobe is not received
here, and I suspect, that is the case in many sites.  so can someone post
all the stuff that is in the group alt.oobe to this one.

Kumar
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: mknip@niksula.hut.fi (Mats Anders Knip)
Subject: Messages in alt.oobe
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: alt.out-of-body
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:39:17

During the last couple of days some people have posted some really
interesting articles to the good old alt.oobe. I don't know how many
of you that still recieve alt.oobe, but if you do, I'd strongly
suggest you to go there and read dwjurkat@rodan.acs.syr.edu's
extremely interesting articles. Especially the FAQ-workers may find
interesting stuff for the FAQ there. Some capable person (Gary...)
could perhaps crosspost the messages to alt.out-of-body so that all
others can get a look at them as well - I think many people will find 
good advice in them. I don't know how to do that...
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From: Jesus Christ <undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca!mneugeba>
Subject: stop
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:29:37 GMT

Original-Sender: Jesus Christ <undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca!mneugeba>

	Hi.. the university I am attending has aquired the access to
alt.out-of-body and the mail wiil no longger be necessary.  I thank you for
the previous mail sent, and request termination of further continuation.

Thank you kindly.

Mike Neugebauer

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mneueba@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
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From: farris@pion.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: OOBE: How? Why?
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:51:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <92348.062015SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu>, SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu (Stephen Kuhn) writes:
[post wondering about oobes deleted for brevity]

What follows is strictly speculation, and should not be considered
what I take to be fact. It is all subject to testing before
acceptance. 

The first conclusion that someone may jump to upon experiencing an
oobe is that there is some aspect of us that is not tied to the
physical body and that can travel without the body. I'm not convinced
that this is a meaningful description of what happens.

Random synaptic firing doesn't satisfy me either. I have been able to
gather information for which there were no possible physical means,
verified on the spot by someone who had the information. I satisfied
myself with enough trials that there wasn't some physically plausible
explanation. 

The fact that phenomena like oobe, telepathy, clairvoyance,
reincarnation, etc., can all be invoked to explain the others also
seems to be significant.

The most plausible explanation of all this, IMHO, and some may
consider it no explanation at all, is the following. Whatever it is
that happens when we have these experiences is beyond the scope of
what we can conceptualize in our normal state of mind. But our minds
get very skittish without a handle to put on an experience, or forgets
the experience altogether. Therefore, it creates a metaphor for the
experience that seems to make sense, sort of, on a physical level.

I arrive at this idea based on several notions, such as the
metaphorical language used by the mind in dreaming, the inability to
exclude "different" psychic phenomena to explain various events, the
effectiveness of conjured metaphor, i.e. guided imagery,
visualization, etc., to achieve certain phenomena.

In any case, it seems one may choose the metaphor one is most
comfortable with to achieve certain effects.

Now with regard to scientific evidence of some spooky stuff going on,
I haven't done exhaustive research on it, by any means. And to be
honest, I don't really care what science thinks about paranormal
phenomena. I have had experiences that cannot be explained by physical
means, and that's enough for me. I have my models of how things work,
based on the evidence I have available to me.

As to why we have such experiences, I think that depends on who you
ask. I would venture to suggest that, until such time as you find a
better answer, they have the meaning you give them, and it is up to
you to use them to make your life happier and more fulfilling, if
that's what you like in a life. ;-)

				Cheers,
					Lorenzo
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 09:42:36 CET
From: <K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: OOBE: Some Notes

Hello friends|
  I'm interested in OOBE (Sometimes wrote OBE) for about one year and some
mounth'.
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Subject: Re: Faq Booklist (partial)
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:46:25 GMT

Thanks for the list.

You may like to add: The Holographic Universe  by  Michael Talbot
                     (c) 1991 HarperCollins publisher
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Doubts
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:31:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <pkteagarden.91@bobcat.lmc.edu>, pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu
(Phil Teagarden) writes:
[much deleted]
> terrorizes people.  If there is a "Satan", as Christian dogma has it, could 
> he be cleaver enough to disguise himself as being brilliantly gifted with 
> all sorts of powers--especially of deceit?  Now, I know.  You are going to 
[much deleted]

I invoke Occam's Razor. No need to introduce superstitious fear of
evil in oobes. In all likelihood, if you are afraid when you go oobe,
you will induce a bad trip, and vice versa. When someone presents
evidence that can only be explained by invoking inhuman malice rather
than human ignorance, then I'll change my tune.

		yours in trying to avoid Razor burn,
				Lorenzo
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Comedy = Tragedy + Distance             *  Lorenzo Farris            *
                 -Lenny Bruce           *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
                                        ******************************
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: seanm@mothra.rose.hp.com (Sean Miller)
Subject: Re: Answer to "What are OBEs"
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:15:56 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Gary Kaminski (garyk@garyk.mentorg.com) wrote:
: In article <BzDCzu.Isv@icon.rose.hp.com>, seanm@mothra.rose.hp.com (Sean Miller) writes:
: |> 
: |>   This post is in response to the article "What are OBEs".  The following text 
: |> is information that I have gained as a student of ECKANKAR.  OBEs are the shift-
: |> ing from the the body consciousness to some other state of consciousness.  The
: |> majority of the time OBEs involve the astral state of consciousness.  The person
: |> in the astral state of consciousness has a body similar to the physical.  I 
: |> wouldn't say that OBEs of this kind are inferior but from what I have learned 
: |> in ECKANKAR it is starting point.
: |> 
: |>      "The aim and purpose of ECKANKAR has always been to take Soul 
: |>       by its own path back to its divine source."
: |>                       The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book Two
: |> STUFF DELETED ................
: |>
: |> P.S.  There are also local ECKANKAR centers.  The addresses for these can be
: |>       found in the white pages under ECKANKAR or yellow pages under religion.
: 
: Just to add a few cents here.  Another religion that teaches similar theory and
: practices is:
:    Self-Realization Fellowship  (SRF)
:    3880 San Rafael Ave.
:    Los Angeles,  California  90065
: 
: If you find ECKANKAR a little too commercial or cult-like, you might find the 
: other more to your liking.  From reading Sean's post, there seems to be alot of
: common ground between the teachings.  
: 
: I have read a lot of the material from SRF, but my lifestyle has not allowed me
: to actively practice the teachings.  I am one that shys away from organized
: religions, but not enough to ignore teachings that make sense to me.  I especially
: shy away from religions and organizations that want money, and lots of it.
: garyk (Gary Kaminski)
    
The purpose of my article was for information purposes only.  The topic of discussion concerned OBEs and the information on ECKANKAR I provided was simply to 
answer the question of how ECKANKAR views OBEs.   I am not trying to persuade
anyone to join ECKANKAR.   If someone wants to read a few books on ECKANKAR and
leave it that that is OK.  The ECKANKAR books are available at local libraries
if one has just a casual interest.

According to Webster's New World dictionary a cult is defined as: 1. a system of
religious worship. 2. devoted attachment to a person, principle, etc. 3. a sect.
Yes ECKANKAR is a system of religious worship but it does not advocate devoted
attachment to a person or priciple.  ECKANKAR provides techniques and knowledge
for those that wish to make an orderded study of the inner dimensions.



--
Sean Miller
Roseville, CA
seanm@mothra.rose.hp.com
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From: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body,alt.dreams
Subject: Dream Of Oobe
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:21:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I had this interesting dream about going oobe.  Strangely enough, whenever I
dream about having an oobe, it *always* starts with the vibrations, in the
dream i.e.

Back to the dream.  So I started getting the vibrations, and I was enjoying
it, smiling at myself and saying "Ah, now the vibrationss are my friend"
because, I used to be quite scared of them, initially.  As soon, as I
seperated from by dream body, so as to speak, I couldnt see at all, but with
an effort, I "opened" my eyes, and I could see, fairly well Soon, I found
myself at my old home, with a little mixed up scenario.  In real life, my
mom not alive, while my dad is alive.  But in the dream it was reversed.  I
felt great joy in meeting my mother, and I hugged my mother.  There seemed
to be a great deal of emotion on my part.

My elder brother was also there.  but he doesnt believe in this oobe thing.
so he asked me, are u really oobeing ? I said sure, and was going to
demonstrate to him, how I could easily pass my hand thru a solid wall.  I
tried to show that to him, but my hand wouldnt go thru :) I sure was
confused, and was wondering, how I was gonna get back to my real physical
body.

But, I soon demonstrated to them, how I could literally float in the air.
After the demonstration, I went to the bedroom, and strangely wanted to
sleep, but also realizing somehow that, if I slept in my oobe, I would wake
up in real life.  So I just lay on the bed, and soon found myself waking up
in real life.

Well, it was fun.

Kumar
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 11:07:26 CET
From: <K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: OOBE: Some Notes
 <1992Dec14.183113.17017@cas.org> <92350.094236K3016E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>

I wasen't very successful since then.
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: jdk2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Heff )
Subject: how?
Followup-To: alt.out-of-body
Organization: B.G.S.U.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:13:51 GMT

how do i do it ?
oobe sounds like a lot of fun 
somebody teach me!
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Experience #1
Summary: I hope this works!!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 08:24:08 GMT


	
																																																								December 18, 1992

(( Introduction ))

	After a few years being away from astral-projection I decided to come back to it. I guess the freedom of confusment, curiosity, and energy really took it's toll on my body from 1988 thru 1990.  I did miss alot but I knew it was time to take a rest for awhile to focus on other matters as school, work, music and obtaining a social life.  

	At the present of December 17-1992 I'm starting my journal log based on new experiences, and being able to break the barrier of between real and proof for myself. If this exists then my heart will hopefully be at ease knowing that life does exist after physical death.


December 16-1992

I awakened within a dream of becoming consciousness of my 
environment. All I could really remember was being able to fly above the clouds with this woman as my love and showing her my ability to fly. I remember vividly passing thru the clouds, being able to see the steam from the clouds move quickly thru the air. I reached the top where I was above the clouds which I could see for miles and miles of beauty.  Well, after that I then descended into the clouds being able to see the pure white, the steam from the clouds etc..etc. as I seen when rising into the clouds


 and above. 

From that point I was on my way back down to the earth's ground at a incredible speed  that I sent me back into a dream due once I hit the surface. But overview of this projection and bringing meaning to myself afterwards the awakening into my physical body, I was lost with words because of the beauty of being able to fly above the clouds and with someone I love and wanted to experience this with.


		The Voice Of Silence
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:20:15 EST
From: Stephen Kuhn <SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
Subject: OOBE: How? Why?

I've achieved OOBE several times.  An interesting thought occurred to me
recently, though, and I've spent a lot of time pondering it.  WHY do we
OOBE?  Why did evolution or God (It depends on your point of view.) give us
this ability?  How can we use OOBE to reach some goal?  Surely it isn't just
a pointless psychic deadend.  Psychologists have theorized that we dream as
a result of our minds trying to make sense out of the information it
recieves from random(?) electrical impulses in our brains as we sleep.  Can
OOBEs be scientifically(!) explained in a similar manner?  Lately, whenever
I OOBE, I try to accomplish something.  Anything.  Just to see how the OOBE
can affect the physical world around me.  I haven't had much success in some
realms, such as moving objects, or giving messages to people.  But I have
successfully projected myself to someone I loved, with the intended results
of having her feel that I was holding her as she was falling asleep.  Or
could the power to OOB be a weak form of teleportation, or a form of
telepathy, or a means of contacting the spirit world?  Has anyone ever tried
to make contact with a ghost during an OOBE?  Any replies or thoughts on
this are welcome.  Please do.  Thanks for giving my wonderings your
attention.         ^^^^^^
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From: actrix.co.at!paul (Paul Gillingwater)
Subject: Re: Faq Booklist (partial)
Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:37:39 GMT

Original-Sender: actrix.co.at!paul (Paul Gillingwater)

OOBE-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us writes:

[useful summary of books deleted]
> Case Book of Astral Projection:  545 - 746	Crookall, Robert Dr.

This one is quite instructive, if a little dry.  A good read for a wet
Sunday.

> Chakras (The)	Leadbeater, C.W.

Some surprisingly good information, considering when it was written.
People have accused Leadbeater of being economical with the truth,
because he seems to ignore Svadisthana chakram, however I have seen
another work of his in which he acknowledges its existence, but states
that he feels the spleen chakra is more important for spiritual
purposes.  Possibly he might have been a little coy.  Certainly his
descriptions of astral projection ring true, and IMHO his linkage of
astral consciousness with chakras is consistent.

> Journeys Out of the Body	Monroe, Robert A.

The modern classic.  Quite good, although I don't agree with some of his
theories relating to the alternate worlds.

> Pojection of the Astral Double (The)	Muldoon, Sylvan and Carrington, Heward

Also quite interesting.  Some curious anecdotes which serve to deepen
the mystery.

Here are a few more:

The Astral Body -- (ed.)  Powell, A.E.  (Quest)

A very useful compilation of writings from theosophical authors in
various books about the astral plane, its inhabitants, modes of
perception, dangers and delights.

Theories of the Chakras: Bridge to Higher Consciousness -- Motoyama,
Hiroshi (Quest)

This is quite scientific -- one of the few serious scientists to
undertake an electro-physiological investigation into the kundalini
experience, rather than considering it all to be the sign of a
disordered mind.  See pp.202-204 for a brief description of how
kundalini and the chakras relates to varying degrees of motility and
perception on the so-called "astral plane."

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