HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andchan@newton.amath.umanitoba.ca (Andrew Chan)
Subject: Re: Storms in Hong Kong
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:59:27 GMT

In <78919@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:

>Another thing that I don't understand is if the environmentalists are so
>concerned with the trees, why they never oppose to houses that made of 
>wood?  I can't imagine how many trees will be needed to rebuild Homestead,
>Florida and other places.

And you think bricks and concrete are environmentally more friendly?  :-)

-- 
We are a rare as well as an endangered species.  Every one of us is,
in the cosmic perspective, precious.  If a human disagrees with you,
let him live.  In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.
							- Carl Sagan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:10261 soc.culture.japan:7468 soc.culture.taiwan:12589
From: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K2-2nd on Earth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Thoughts on the Future of China (Re: For those of you that HATE japaneses)
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:32:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug27.033629.13566@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:
[stuff deleted] 
>>If Japs didn't invade, then the Taiwan (ROC)
>>government would've been in power for the past 50 years, and
>>China will be one of the most advanced and powerful country in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>the world... no doubt about it, just look at current day Taiwan
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>and HongKong!
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Maybe, China would have been one of the most poor country in the world...
>no doubt about it, just look at current day India and Phillipin. They
>don't have communism also. 
>
>But most likely, China would just have been a colony of US if CCP
>have not taken over the power. 

It is an interesting topic, although it is very hypothetical.  

First of all, the Japanese Invasion did help the growth of CCP which led to
the downfall of the Nationalist Gov.  Then "if the Japanese had not invaded
China and if the Nationalist Gov had continued to rule mainland China, China
would have become...."  I say China would have been stronger than it is.

Reason #1:  The Nationalist Gov would have a chance to rebuild China.  It 
            couldn't do it because of the warlords and the Japanese invasion.
            Of course, what if the warlords had splited China up in pieces?
            I don't know.

Reason #2:  I don't think China would have become a colony of US.  Look at
            Japan.  US was more than willing to help rebuilding Japan (partly
            because it wanted to curb the rapid spreading of the Communist in
            Asia).  Now Japan is invading US economically.  One similar trait
            of Japanese and Chinese is that both are generally hard working.
            A political/economic system that rewards hard workers is certainly
            conducive to the success of a hard working race. 
            
Undoubtedly, many other factors could have affected the outcome as well.  
History is history.  It is the past.  Let's create the future -- a joyful
and bright one.  When it becomes history, I hope our offsprings will say:
"They did real well.  We couldn't have done it better."  

Andrew 
-- 
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|      Lee, On-Lit Andrew          |               - Motto of Outward Bound 
|                                  | 
|  email: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  "Your disability is your opportunity"
|  University of Texas at Austin   |               - Kurt Hahn,  
+----------------------------------+                 Founder of Outward Bound 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:10173 soc.culture.japan:7345 soc.culture.taiwan:12442
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: For those of you that HATE japaneses
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:49:49 GMT
Reply-To: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Message-I.D.: <9223921.27229@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>Lines: 36

>I don't understand why it's considered offensive to call Japanese "Japs".
>When I talk to my fellow Australian friends, they are happy to use *that
>term*.  It wasn't until reading the net that I found out people get offended
>by it.
>
>Now why is it offensive?
>
>People call Australians Aussies, HongKongers HongKies, Americans Yanks,
>British Poms, etc, etc.... why is it that Japanese get offended when
>they are called *that term* ?
>
>-- 

I am a korean. the same discussion has been done already. I told on this net
 that Most of koreans have a bad image when Japanese call korean 'chosenjin'.
But many of Japanese of netters of today confessed that they have thought
simply that word meant just ' a person from korea pninsular'.
Similiarly to this, theoretically 'Japs' may mean the abbribiation of
Japanese but the side meaning has a humiliation againt them.
This word has once been used during WWII by US.

I politely ask you, sir, go back to the previous discussions and read all the 
article related to the topic "what do most of Japanes think of korean".
Then if still you have qeustioned not aswered on those articles, we can
change each of our opinions constructively. 
All of us can learn more from your new questions, not one which has been
aswered already.

Good luck and I hope you can find the anwser  to your question from
the previous postings and be happy.

                                        Hanjung Kim from alabama.

Also this topic has been discussed several days ago on this net, too.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 1992 13:13:14 -0400 
From: Tim Chun-tim Ip <ti05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Graduate Information Request

As far as I know, there are not that many schools that offer M.S.
(equivalent to MSc in HK) in Finance. However, there are tons of
business schools that offer MBA program with concentration in Finance. 
If you are looking for the ranking of B-schools, try to look into the
magazine called Business Week and US News & World Report.  Business week
come out with B-school ranking every two years while US News come out
once every year.  The latest issue came out last April or May.  I don't
remember the time exatly.  I am sure your school library must carry
either one of those.  Look into the microfiche and find out.

As for Economics, there is another book which has graduate rankings in
almost every major you can imagine.  That book is Gourman Report. I am
sure you can find it in your library or one of those non-profit
institutions which offer free counseling on studying abroad. Try
Institute of International Education at Hong Kong Arts Centre in
Wanchai.  

Should you have further questions, feel free to send me e-mail.  It just
happens that I am doing my MBA and I did a lot of research in the past.

Hope this helps.
Tim

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: One joke a day, keep your girlfriends away (2 jokes a day, I would say!) 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:11:53 GMT

In article <9439@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> cheung@mathcs.emory.edu (Shun Yan Cheung) writes:
>In article <6064@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com writes:
>
>Another joke:
>
>On a table, there is a stove, a kettle, a bowl filled with water and a cup.
>A scientist was asked to solve the problem of boiling so water to make
>coffee in the cup. He filled the kettle with water, boiled the water on the
>stove and made coffee in the cup. A mathematician was asked the samw question
>and he did the same things.
>
>Now, the situation is modified a bit so that the water is already in the kettle
>and the scientist and the mathematician were ask the same question again.
>The scientist put the kettle on the stove and boiled the water. When it
>was the mathematician's turn, he replied: pour the water out  of the kettle
>into the bowl. This way, we reduced the problem into one we already solved !

	"So, where's the coffee?" Asked the scientist.

	"In the cup." The mathematician replied. 

---Keep smiling,
	Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Answer to Q regarding to "One Joke A Day"
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:11:36 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <6112@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com writes:
>Somebody asked me why I always use the title "One Joke
>A Day, Keep Your Girlfriends Away".
>
>You are right.  You can't.  
>
>No matter what you do, they will still bug you about the 
>right hair style for her tennis match, her accounting class, 
>or even a barbeque outing.  Fine, that is O.K. because you can 
>simply say, "you are beautiful in any hair style." The most 
>they will say to you is, "Ah, you dummy".  But they won't be 
>too upset because of your tacky way of covering up your annoyance.
>
>The worst thing is that they bug you to go shopping with them.  
>And the worse thing, worse than the worst thing, is that they 
>ask you to hold their purse in front of the ladies fitting room 
>and so happen that that is right next to the lingere department.  
>You turn around and see another five guys are holding their purses 
>staring at the ceiling.  
>
>You are bored and you are irritated.  You can now think about
>my "One Joke A Day", and, hopefully, won't get too mad and still
>love your girlfriends.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:10255 rec.travel.air:4336
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,rec.travel.air
Subject: Dragon Air
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 22:20:43 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Does anybody have experience travelling on Dragon Air? Is their 
maintainance, on-time departure, and service comparible to Cathay?

Hassan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:10188 soc.culture.japan:7368 soc.culture.taiwan:12455
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: For those of you that HATE japaneses
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:57:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <9223921.27229@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>
>I don't understand why it's considered offensive to call Japanese "Japs".
>When I talk to my fellow Australian friends, they are happy to use *that
>term*.  It wasn't until reading the net that I found out people get offended
>by it.
>
>Now why is it offensive?
>

It's a racist pejorative, to say the least.  It ranks up there with "nip,"
"spic," "nigger," "flip," "chink," "gook," "wetback," and so on and so on.

As a side note, some of my JA friends are considering writing a petition to
Sunshine bakery to get them to stop making "Cheese Nips"... (:

h.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: sze@enel.ucalgary.ca (Peter Sze)
Subject: Chinese Window 3.1
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:00:37 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Hi, could somebody kindly tell me
how to obtain a full version of Chinese Window from Canada or U.S. ?

I would prefer a version with documentation and development kit.

Thanks everybody!


Peter Sze
sze@enel.ucaglary.ca


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: New HK popstar picture postings
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:42:06 GMT

HONG KONG POPSTAR GIF COLLECTION SCHEME (HKPGCS)
================================================
NEW PICTURE POSTING
===================
WARNING: In order to protect the pictures and the
         contributors, all HKPGCS pictures are not allowed
         to be sold.
 
New pictures are posted to the following newsgroups:

alt.binaries.pictures
alt.binaries.pictures.misc

They will be available in ftp sites soon.

filename   : cchung02.gif
description: Half portrait of Chery Chung Cho-Hung
category   : female Hong Kong actress
image      : 417x601x256 color
filesize   : 144094 bytes

filename   : echan01.gif
description: Ellen Chan Ah-Lun
category   : female Hong Kong actress
image      : 386x491x256 color
filesize   : 127321 bytes

filename   : yfchow01.gif
description: Chow Yun-Fat, one of the most famous actor in Hong Kong
category   : Hong Kong actor
image      : 538x366x256 color
filesize   : 116251 bytes

Special thanks to Chi Yin Robert Chong for the above contributions.

Contributions are welcome. Please read README.DONORS in directory
/pub/hongkong/gif/popstars		of ftp site: nok.lcs.mit.edu OR
/pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/HKstar	of ftp site: nic.funet.fi
for contribution rules, how to uuencode and contribute pictures.
However, the easiest method is to uuencode the picture file and mail it to
Thomas Wong <twong@civil.ubc.ca>. Contributors must not upload the files to ftp 
sites themselves. All types of picture file format are welcome. We will convert
them to GIF format.

Thank you for supporting HKPGCS. Please keep HKPGCS alive.

Enjoy!
Alan of HKPGCS.
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From: selena@octel.com (Selena Min-Tsing Wai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Immigration
Keywords: USA, Canada, Australia
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:02:19 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Aug19.194420.5302@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.212857.17618@ttinews.tti.com> yao@perform1.tti.com (Yuhan Yao) writes:
>>
>>Many people in Hong Kong and mainland China want to immigrate to other
>>countries.  The overwhelming favorites are the States, Canada, and Australia
>>(not necessarily in that order).
>>
>>How are these three countries compare to each other?
>>I'm interested in comparisons on all aspects of life, like material living
>>standard, education, career opportunities, health, and so on.
>>
>>It's sad that we have to leave our hometown, in search of a better life.
>>Well, which country is better?  and for what reasons?
>>
>>
>>Yuhan Yao
>
>My opinions only:
>
>	Pluses					Minuses
>	------					-------
>
>USA	You can always get what you want	Unsafe streets
>	if you're hardworking enough.
				------>	Depends on where you live...
					Isn't that true of practically any
					country??

>	Wide array of lifestyle choices		Lack of cultural coherence,
>						feeling of belonging.
>				------>	Culture in San Francisco's Chinatown
					was still alive and well last time I
					checked.  Of course, the midwest is
					a whole different story...


-- 

Selena Wai		|  "99% of a project takes up 90% of your time;
selena@octel.com	|   the last 1% takes up the other 90%" 
			|			-johne
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy)
Subject: Re: For those of you that HATE japaneses
Organization: Clarify, San Jose
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:16:08 GMT

In article <9223916.22226@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>
>Wrong, the government represents the people (whether they do or
>not in reality is another question... :) ), the Chinese government
>could take the money and invest in infrastrutures, buildings, and
>social engineerings to make up for the loss suffered by China as
>a nation.  The Japanese government taxs the Japanese people, so
>the Japanese government could pay for it for the people.
>
>
>HuH?
>
>Facts:
>
>3 million Japanese died as a result of WW II.
>15 million Chinese died as a result of WW II.
>
>Chinese people suffer much more than Japanese people in terms of
>numbers, loss of loved-ones, loss of an entire city! (which was
>the Capital of ROC at the time!), and WW II also contributes to
>the loss of China to the Communists which literally pulled China
>backwards 30 years.  If Japs didn't invade, then the Taiwan (ROC)
>government would've been in power for the past 50 years, and
>China will be one of the most advanced and powerful country in
>the world... no doubt about it, just look at current day Taiwan
>and HongKong!
>

This is not a fair statement at all. If you read the history book,
you will find out there were lots of problem for the ROC government
at that time. Look at the high inflation rate and the corrupted 
government. There was once that when the ROC armies almost
succeeded in eliminating the PRC at Yin On (?? This is Cantonese)
and the famous "Sai On See Bin" (which Cheung Hok Leung kidnapped
Cheung Kai Shek to ask for union to fight the outsider first, which
save the PRC). After the war, the two Chinese parties did not take
the opportunity to reunion but continue to struggle for their 
own power. At the beginning stage of the PRC, it was not that bad
at all. Lau Siu Kay at that time did a fine job but since China
has been suffered from wars (both internal and external) for so
long, it was very difficult to recover. People felt upset and 
Mao took the chance and turn China into a true communist country.

-rchoy-
From: Leo Wong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Hong Kong
Keywords: names
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:57:40 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-1a.berkeley.edu
Originator: c60b-3gj@web-1a.berkeley.edu

This is just one of the "things that make you go hmmmmm...":

I am sure you guys noticed that there are a lot of ways people refer to us,
namely, men or women who were born in HK; grown in HK; in anyway affliated 
with our home, the Pearl of the Orient, the Fragrant Harbor.

The names that we have include:	Hong Kongees
				Hongkongese
				HongKongers
				Hong Kong people
				Hong Kong Chinese
				......(and some more weird names)

Personally, I like being called "Hong Kongers" better.  It is more "chic".
The "ESE" sound in "HongKongese" always give me the chill.

What do you think??

Leo
From: IZZYDE2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: UC IRVINE & PCC HKSA
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:43:48 GMT


 DOES ANYONE KNOW THE PHONE NUMBERS OR ADDRESSES OF INDIVIDUALS IN
 CHARGE OF THE HKSA OF EITHER UC IRVINE OR PASADENA CITY COLLEGE?
From: capistrano@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: missing person...  ;-)
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:23:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark


Does anyone know a guy named Michael Ng from the NY area?
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: soc.culture.hongkong FAQ, Part III
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:53:13 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

[FAQ part III-- Global Volunteer DataBase deleted]

Oops! I forgot to include my disclaimer. :-P

The GVD posted here is a "beta" version.  It gives you a taste of
what GVD will be like.  If you have any suggestions/complaints/corrections
regarding GVD, please send me e-mail.  I will be more than happy to
change the current format for you.  Just let me know.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank John Ho.  He has done
a marvelous job for mantaining the FAQ.  Keep up with the good work,
John!

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: American society
Keywords: names
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:35:26 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) writes:

>>legit act between a man and his wife!  Ridiculous!  You also have
>>all theese minority groups who wants to make $40,000/yr watching 
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>football and be a couch "potatoe"s (a potato with a 'e' - US education...)
> ^^^^^^^^^

>Just curious. What is this regarding to?
This is a long story regarding the welfare system of US and how one
group of people work harder and get less and how the other group
work less and get a lot more.  Long story.

>>P.S.  I just found out the popular cartoon show "Simpsons" was originally
>>thought out to portray an Asian family called "Samsung" but the
>>idea was shot down after numerous protests by the Asian Americans
>>community.

>:-0 suprise. It will be very interesting to see the original cartoon.

If you go to your a better and pick up the current issue of "A. Magazine" -
a magazine that is devoted to the Asian American.  You will find a special
report on this subject on p.23.  
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: fu-gui-wong@money.making.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: test
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:03:03 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Money Making Magazine

Test only.
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Answer to Q regarding to "One Joke A Day"
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:51:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cheung's Funky Shop

Somebody asked me why I always use the title "One Joke
A Day, Keep Your Girlfriends Away".

You are right.  You can't.  

No matter what you do, they will still bug you about the 
right hair style for her tennis match, her accounting class, 
or even a barbeque outing.  Fine, that is O.K. because you can 
simply say, "you are beautiful in any hair style." The most 
they will say to you is, "Ah, you dummy".  But they won't be 
too upset because of your tacky way of covering up your annoyance.

The worst thing is that they bug you to go shopping with them.  
And the worse thing, worse than the worst thing, is that they 
ask you to hold their purse in front of the ladies fitting room 
and so happen that that is right next to the lingere department.  
You turn around and see another five guys are holding their purses 
staring at the ceiling.  

You are bored and you are irritated.  You can now think about
my "One Joke A Day", and, hopefully, won't get too mad and still
love your girlfriends.
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Hong Kong
Keywords: names
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:00:33 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

The thread had been discussed right after schk was formed.
It had pretty much established that the proper English
word is Hong Kongite. Of course that may sound funny,
especially in Cantonese, so many would use Hong Kongese
insteady. But that sounds funny too, now especailly in
English. Currently looks like Hong Konger is more popular.
I just call myself Hong Kong Man.

-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu