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From: chyang@periphrasis.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:44:51 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@periphrasis.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Dec13.215337.9956@infonode.ingr.com>, ccd@duann.b17d.nfonode (David Duann) writes:
> 
> There were an interesting news from the Huntsvill Times, Hunsville, AL
> on December 11, 1992.  The statements originally are from a India 
> Newspaper, and the Huntsville Time just used it as a topic in the
> column of "What the other paper says?".
> 
> =====================================================================
> 
> The Statesman, New Delhi and Calcutta, India:
> 
> 
>   If China's economy maintains its current 10 percent growth rate, it
> should overtake the gross national product of the United States by 2030
> to become the world's biggest economy.
> 
>   Considered with its nuclear weapons status, the absence of a balancing
> power in Asia, now the Soviet Union is no more, Japan's unwillingness
> to think in military terms and India's inability to do so, China may 
> well become the U.S.A's potential enemy No. 1 in the coming century.
> 
>   The concept of greater cooperation between democracies is a tricky
> one for the U.S. what would happen, for instance, if China were to turn
> democratic?  Cooperation between the world's largest democracies would
> then lead to a not too comfortable feeling in the U.S.
> 
>   De Tocqueville, the celebrated French historian and sociologist, gave
> voice to this fundamental fear among the white races of being swamped
> numerically by aliens when he advocated, almost 150 years ago, a strong
> Russian shield to keep away the yellow flood from submerging Europe.
> Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun are etched forever on Europe's collective
> memory.
> 

	Yes, but that was the Mongolians.  The Chinese are inherently
isolationists and non-vilolent.  If the Chinese had intension to 
submerge Europe, it would have been done a long time ago. 
If the Chinese were ever to harbor the intension of world conquest, that
would be the end of civilization as we know it.

FYI

- C. H. Yang 
> =====================================================================
> 
> FYI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: difference between mainlander and taiwanese? NONSENSE!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:14:02 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: What's the ground? 

In article <1992Dec14.214144.21780@eng.umd.edu> lindor@eng.umd.edu (Lindor Eric Henrickson) writes:
>
>So much for subscribing to this newsgroup...don't you guys have anything better to do?
>(or at least anything better to argue about?)  Anyway, it doesn't matter, I won't be around
>to hear it....time to unsubscribe.
>
>Signed,
>
>A fed up American
>
>Bye!

Please, don't go. Stay here. Better things would come soon after the
spasms from the incessant Unification/Independence arguements.

Generally, outsiders will be bemused at what was talked here. Because,
Taiwan is in a turning point from a quasi-dictatorial government to
an Americanized democratic country. However, much of the progress is
pushed from people coming back from Japan, who would prefer a
robotic, hypocritic politics, and US, who would insist a seemingly
Hollywood style politics. The clashes between these two cultures
plus indigenous Chinese influence brewed a kaleidoscopic events yet
the economy and public life unharmed.

What a combination!
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ty Lee                                                                    */
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:20:50 EST
From: <FUH@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: test
>peferences:  <9212141933.AA01006@cc.UMontreal.CA>

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:34:34 GMT

In article <MZS=SXB@engin.umich.edu> echang@engin.umich.edu writes:
>	Please read my statements more carefully.   How Americans calculate
>their interests is based on their perception on us.

Taiwanese perceptions of Taiwan makes up a very, very small effect on
how Americans perceive Taiwan.

For example, surely no one thinks that the United States sold F-16
fighters to ROC, out of kindness.  The United States sold F-16
fighters so that General Dynamics wouldn't have to close a plant in a 
politically important state.

Also, it's ridiculous to assume that the United States recognized ROC
for all those years because they were "confused."  The United States
recognized ROC because no American President until Nixon could afford
to be seen as "soft on Communism."  Again, U.S. policy toward Taiwan
did not have much to do with what Taiwanese thought but more about
what got American politicians elected.

If you would have me believe that ROT would have an easier time
getting recognized than ROC, then you will have to explain how
recognizing ROT would get an American Congressman or President more
votes than ROC will.

Can you?

>If we live in the shadow of
>"China", and we don't make it clear that we represent Taiwan, our diplomatic
>status won't go very far in the future.  

ROK is living over the shadow of "Korea."  It's not only got
diplomatic recognition, it's also got U.S. troops protecting it from
the other Korea.

>	Right!  Just let people know we represent Taiwan other than
>China is good enough for me.

What's wrong with "Taiwan in the Republic of China"?

>> another question is if we change our national name, other countries are
>> still away from us.  should we change another name and try again?  such
>> as repulic of island?

>	No, We will work hard to improve our international status.

If the PRC says, we are going to invade you if you change to ROT,
should that prevent one from changing one's name?

If not, then it's an interesting double standard to say that the name
should be changed for a slight increase in the possibility of
diplomatic recognition, but the possibility of an invasion is not
enough to keep it.







Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann())
Subject: Re: Hou You can get Chinese telnet
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:27:52 GMT

chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann()) writes:

:  
:       ftp> cd /pub/msdod.NCSA/Chinese     <-- I made a mistake!

****         cd /pub/msdos/NCSA/Chinese     <-- correct directory!

:                                   Sincerely yours
:                                              Shann 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:40:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.133557.16872@muppet.bt.co.uk> barry@muppet.bt.co.uk writes:
>In article 7783@cs.mcgill.ca, haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:
>> 
>>    Let me borrow a phrase from Heng-Hsin Liao of AT&T, let's work hard
>> for Taiwan and China.
>> 
>> 
>> 					Haiying
>
>
>Are you forgetting the people in Hong Kong? The people in H.K., Taiwan and
>China should work together for tommorrow!

      Sorry we forgot to include you guys in Hong Kong.  But Hong Kong will be
China in 1997. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: The name? (Was Re: [News] Chinese Students Rank....)
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 03:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.210359.13519@cbnews.cb.att.com> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>From article <1992Dec16.174257.21717@athena.mit.edu>, by joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang):
>> 
>> One of the purpose of the idea of "Chinese" is to make sure that
>> regional conflicts don't damage the common interest of all Chinese.
>> 
>
>In your opinion, who decide what is the "common interest" of all
>Chinese? Chinese ancestors? Beijing Regime'? Or Chinese intellectuals?
>
>How do the decision maker(s) decide what is good to all people? Do
>they know well to decide what is good to Tibetan? Do they know well
>to decide what is good to Inner-Mongolian? Do they know well to
>decide what is good to Manchurian? Do they know well to decide what
>is good to Cantonese (people in GuangDong)? Without giving each
>Chinese his/her chance to speak out and his/her right to vote,
>do you think it's okay to talk about common interest of all
>Chinese? If China still does not believe in democracy, I really don't
>believe in what is called "common interest of all Chinese."
>
>Division is a solution. Break up China and let each state (probably
>China's province) worries about where it's going and how to get there.

A breaking China would create over thirty positions of the president.
Do you, Heng-Hsin, want one position of them?


J Su

>After that, it then makes much more sense to gather all interested
>state together to talk about the pros and cons of a unified country or
>state union or whatever preferred. I would say that's the best gift
>China (or Chinese culture if you will) can give to it's great people.
>Remember that without these people, China won't be where it is now.
>Be respectful to Chinese, Beijing.
>
>Heng-Hsin
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: STOP
From: koutd@hiramc.hiram.edu
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:30:02 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: koutd

In article <1992Dec19.170937.29504@csie.nctu.edu.tw>, chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann()) writes:
>   It's meaningless to keep on discuessing/arguing on which one of the
> CCP and KMP is better.
> 
>   Futher is the most important thing. We should focus on whether the 
> governments improve and how much they improve and ,if possible, HOW
> they improve.
> 
>   Merry X'mas & Happy New Year !
>                                                        Shann....
> 
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From: taij_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Tai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:46:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <BzH482.8pv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
>
>The way I see it, China, Taiwan, and Japan were all on
>the about same level after the second world war.  All three
>entities had taken a beating and most of the industries
>were damaged.
>
>Japan was able to recover in less than 40 years.  Taiwan's
>"miracle" is actually nothing to be proud of because compared
>to Japan's recovery it is still second best.  China, on the
>other hand, severely messed up and lost a golden window of
>opportunity to catch up with the industrialized nations during
>the last 40 years.
>
>China's inability to catch up is due to the fact that the
>leaders in China were brainwashed by a drug invented by the
>whiteman called "communism".
>
>It is sad to see another generation of future Chinese
>leaders being currently brainwashed by another whiteman's
>drug called "democracy".

One note:  You must remember that Japan's miracle owed a lot to
American 'intervention'.  The Americans provided a lot of capital
not to mention information transfer (a la Edward Demings).  The
Taiwanese government, on the other hand, did not receive much
help from the U.S. government (relative to Japan).  I believe that
Taiwan's "miracle" (which you so aptly refer to it) does command
some respect in the global community...at least from myself.

Whiteman's drug called "democracy"?  Please explain....

C
C
not to mention information transfer (a la E. Dem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: Article about Election in Taiwan.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.214131.7698@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec18.021730.15808@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec17.162725.29658@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
>|> 
>|> Just did... Is it true that some people being bought votes in the rural areas
>|> had to swear in front of a god to vote for that certain candidate???
>|> 
>|> The article disturbs me, as far as vote-buying is concerned.
>|> 
>|> :E. Liu
>
>
>I think the New York times reporter is so desperate to get his article
>published that he or (she) has to make up some stupid story like this one. 
>
>I wish this reporter can read this article because I want to tell him (her)
>in person that he (she) is a damed lier.

Well, you could always write them a letter or something. But also keep in mind
that he was in Taiwan at the time and maybe that is true in some areas now.
Who knows?

:E. Liu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: pohsunch@aludra.usc.edu (Po-Hsun Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: difference between mainlander and taiwanese? NONSENSE!!!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:30:35 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

	Why Chinese people always argu each other in every generation?
Just for selfish themselves. Or they even do not know who they are.

	Keep in mind, U are all Chinese people, no matter where u born,
where u come, where u live. If u do not agree this command, I do not think
u has any right to say any stupid argument in this newsgroup.

	Tell me why Chinese cannot speedy strong herself in this world.
Just because most of the Chinese people too selfish to this big country.

-- Po-Hsun Cheng at USC
From: huangch@cps.msu.edu (Cheng Chang Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: [Request] Noise on s.c.t.
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:06:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: indian.cps.msu.edu
Originator: huangch@indian.cps.msu.edu

Hi netters,

Since a long article will conflict the purpose of itself, I will make
my points clear fast:

1. Cut your personal response/ flame by sending "addressed" Email to the
   initiator.  I am sick and tired of reading an ambiguous subject line
   like "Re:*".  If your posting/response is valuable to others, make
   the header clear.  Otherwise, CONFINE THEM TO ONE-TO-ONE
   COMMUNICATION!!
2. For readers who are as sick and tired as I am, I propose we can try
   to "FLOOD" the person(s) who keeps non-sense arguing over the
   newsgroup by email.
3. Any Flaming/Echoing of my posting will be highly welcome if they are
   sent to my Email account.  But please don't start another pile of 
   "Re: [Request]..." over this group. I will post the best
   flame/echo(s) if they are of common interests. 

This article is intended to attract more readers/articles which can
provide importatnt information rather than discouraging people from 
accessing the only newsgroup where we can obtain local information about
Taiwan.

--Chengchang Huang
From: hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Henry S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: The outcome of the election 1992 in Taiwan
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:18:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

News from Taiwan said that in the law-maker election 1992, DPP get 36% of voting, which is higher than before. Shih, Ming-Der get the highest poll in Tainan City. Except for Taipei, most DPP candidate got the highest poll in each area.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim Ding Chuang)
Subject: ITASA - CAN
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:30:17 GMT

I am posting this on behalf of the Intercollegiate Taiwanese American
Students Association.  Good Luck on finals!

Tim Chuang
(I am a Taiwanese American, NOT a Chinese American)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

We want to inform y'all before you leave for Christmas about:

THE 1993 ITASA CANADIAN CONFERENCE
Where:  The University of Western Ontario
        London, Canada (between Windsor and Toronto)  
When:   March 5, 6, 7, 1993

This will be the first Canadian-American conference for Taiwanese college 
students held outside of the U. S.!


CONFERENCE GOALS
ITASA-CAN has been created to meet the following goals:
1.  to introduce Taiwanese Canadians to the extensive resources and 
opportunities that are available to them through organizations such as ITASA.
2.  to provide an opportunity for Taiwanese college students to network within 
and across borders.
3.  to successfully establish an annual conference that will be hosted by 
different colleges in Central Canada.


THEME: A BRIDGE TO THE FUTURE
Let us embark on a journey, as we venture into a portal that spans the 49th 
parallel.  Through networking, discussions, and invaluable feedback, an 
awareness of the two similar, yet different North American cultures can be 
developed.  Collectively, we as Canadians and Americans can create a voice for 
ourselves and for generations to follow.  Pledge that commitment to yourself 
in the attempt to further define our roles in society.  Let us begin by 
enriching the understanding of our common Taiwanese heritage.

REGISTRATION
Before February 14, 1993: $30 US, $37 Cdn
After February 14, 1993:  $36 US, $45 Cdn

Please include the following information:
Name
Sex
Address
Telephone
E-mail Address
School and Major
Special Requests (desired roommates, dietary preferences)

Conference fees include hotel accommodations and party.
Please make cheques and money orders payable to UWO ITASA.


CONTACTS
For registrations, inquiries, or brochures for your Taiwanese group, contact 
us!

Patrick Leu                             Euger Lin
230 Wharncliffe Rd. N.                  766 Barclay Rd.
London, ON                              London, ON
N6H 2B7                                 N6K 1K8
Canada                                  Canada
(519) 645-2019                          (519) 657-1951
p3leu@student.business.uwo.ca           elin@uwovax.uwo.ca

We will provide more detailed information in the new year.  Meanwhile, have a 
great holiday.  We will look forward to meeting you at YALE!

p3leu@student.business.uwo.ca (Patrick Leu)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rcwei@IASTATE.EDU (Ruey-Chang Wei)
Subject: test
Reply-To: rcwei@IASTATE.EDU (Ruey-Chang Wei)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:14:23 GMT
From: huangch@cps.msu.edu (Cheng Chang Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Requests for Book/Magazine Recommendation
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:35:22 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: huangch@indian.cps.msu.edu

Hi folks,

I have a friend who will be returning to Taiwan next week.  As the
subject says, I would like to know your recommendation on some books or
magazine worth reading.  The reading materials I am looking for should
primarily focus on the internal social events of Taiwan within the last
couple of year ( I came to the States in 1990 ).   With your kind
assistance, it may be easier for my friend to bring some stuffs back
here for me.  If your recommendation is a translation, I would
appreciate if you can give me the book title in English.

Due to the high volumn of traffic (noise? ;-{) on s.c.t., I would
strongly request for your information through Email.  I will post my
summary if the quantities and quality of responses are interesting.
    

Thank you in advance for your help,

--Chengchang Huang
From: chshan@csie.nctu.edu.tw (S. Shann())
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: idealist.idiot.dog
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:50:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


  I think an ideal idealist may be considered as a idiot.
And an idiot acts like a dog!
  For example....u no... there's famous two. For one in
Michigent & other in berkeley.    
  
                       
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16347 soc.culture.hongkong:16531 soc.culture.china:33197
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHPOEM in dot-matrix (II)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:38:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <9212182227.AA22326@ifcss.org> xiaofei@ifcss.org (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>There has been many people asking me how to convert
>chinese to dot-matrix, here are answers [ not complete ]: 

You may also use GB2TEXT included in my Chinese word processor 
DNGDNG12.ZIP in 130.49.2.61 directory /pub/incoming.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16261 soc.culture.china:32965
From: leiy@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:18:12 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Dec8.184557.23043@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Zhang.Hao@launchpad.unc.edu (zhang hao) writes:
> In article <1992Dec4.135852.26039@u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>>	oh yeah, make that 2, sucker! fuck some of the mainland mental 
>>	disability students here at the u.s.  regardless how the situation
>>	at mainland is improving, chinese people at mainland are simply
>>	POOR, no money, no nothing. they suck big time! (not all, of course)
>>	again, all i want to say is: most people from mainland still dress
>>	like homeless, act like homeless, and talk and write on the net
>>	like homeless. 
>>	/seb@u.washing

I am ashamed of you, both you and your articals must come from a 
Pig's Shit!
y ou idiot narrow mind and... your mother must be fucked by pig.

this is all I could answer you, fuck you!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.india