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From: kirschni@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Matthias Kirschnick ())
Subject: Re: Anybody Out There?
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:21:56 GMT

earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.170205.26522@beach.csulb.edu> douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.113912.14600@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>>>What has happened to this once (reasonably) active newsgroup? I've been
>>>away for two weeks and come back to find 2 articles here, and one
>>>of those a test. Somebody, talk to me!
>>
>>Well, my guess is that 95% of the people that post to this group are gone on 
>>summer break and will be back in the fall. Look at it this way, there's not a
>>lot of volume to wade though everyday like in rec.musc.misc :-)

>Actually, I'm kind of surprised that nobody's mentioned that new Bauhaus CD
>recorded at their last concert, which was sometime in mid-1983 I believe.
>I didn't buy it and it's been a week or so since I looked at it, so I don't
>quite remember all the details ...

>Speaking of the Death of Goff, how 'bout that new Siouxsie "Batman Returns"
>("Face To Face") single, eh? (-:
Great performance! The video is the best I saw for a long time. The song is my
actual favorite. Does anybody know when her new album will be released -
"Twice upon a time"? I'm waiting for it desperately (It's a bad thing when you
have to doub your recording from MTV to audio-casette :-( )

Matthias.

P.S.: Nice finger-rings, eh? :-)

P.P.S.: I'm not in my summer holiday, I'm to lazy to post some articles. Sorry.

Matthias

>	- Greg
>	  Aging ex-Goth

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From: eck@saul.upenn.edu (Brian J. Eck)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Anybody Out There?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:25:59 GMT
	<1992Jul27.211624.28645@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<1992Jul30.105618.23014@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Spapoop Monsters, Inc.
In-reply-to: kola@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of 30 Jul 92 10:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.105618.23014@leland.Stanford.EDU> kola@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kurt Kolasinski) writes:

>  Or is there another live recording out there?

The disc that Mr. Earle was referring to is a brand-spanking new
double CD recording of the last concert in '83.  It's from the UK, on
some one-release label (Nemo, perhaps?)  Sound quality is pretty good.
Overall length is about 90 minutes.  I can get track info, etc. if
it's requested; I snapped it up for the bargain basement price of
$19.99 as soon as I saw it.

brian

--
Brian Eck	eck@saul.cis.upenn.edu
    "Satan is an acidhead" - Scorn
From: douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Anybody Out There?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:02:05 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1992Jul27.113912.14600@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>What has happened to this once (reasonably) active newsgroup? I've been
>away for two weeks and come back to find 2 articles here, and one
>of those a test. Somebody, talk to me!
>

Well, my guess is that 95% of the people that post to this group are gone on 
summer break and will be back in the fall. Look at it this way, there's not a
lot of volume to wade though everyday like in rec.musc.misc :-)
-Daniel
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From: kola@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kurt Kolasinski)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus Live CD (Was Re: Anybody Out There?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:00:35 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA


	So your're saying to yourself, "He posted this dumb thing FOUR
times!"  Well none of them have reached my site in Berlin.  And, heck,
at least I've substantially increased the traffic on alt.gothic. (-:

Kurt Wolfgeng Kolasinski
Department of Chemistry		| kolasinski@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE
Stanford University 		| kola@leland.stanford.edu
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Obscure L.A. Gothic bands
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:01:44 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Does anyone out there have anything by Die Schlaflosen (AKA The 
Sleepless),Interpol,Voodoo Church,Superheroines,Radio Werewolf,or 
Kommunity FK they would be willing to tape and send me? I'm also eager to 
once again hear the enchanting sounds of The Castration Squad..I am 
especially looking for the two Die Schlaflosen songs which were on a 
tape/magazine published around 82/83 that I don't know the name of..It 
was a compilation tape released with a fanzine type thing..I don't know 
who else was on it.I have both Superheroines albums..but I can't find any 
copies of the Kommunity FK album. I know about Shadow Project so you need 
not mention them,I am looking for all this very old music which I used to 
have but somehow lost..I know The Sleepless put out an EP,but it is 
impossible to find if you're not living in LA...Thanks in advance..

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:53:09 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <nm19p0c@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>Catch 22.   If the Tories spend more, they're irresponsible.
>If they spend less, they're "reneging" on their election 
>promises.

A more succinct analysis of this occurred to me at the weekend.

The election was only, what, 4 months ago, right?  (Not even quite
that, yet.)  The world has, for the past 4 months, been going on about
as one might have been expected; there have been no major unpredictable
upheavals or natural disasters.  So, I see only two reasonable
interpretations of the situation.

Either: The Tories were intentionally lying when they made their
election promises;

Or: The Tories are incapable of planning even a mere 4 months ahead,
far less the year of the typical budget period, or the notional 5 years
which one expects to be covered by an election manifesto.

Neither of these exactly fills my heart with joy.  However, apropos my
second possibility, I note that in another article you mention your
success with pound futures.  So, YOU are capable of successfully
guessing which way the economy will be moving over a limited period of
a few months.  I would rather expect the Government's economists to be
a bit more capable than the average Usenet reader, so that would appear
to argue against the second of my possibilities.  (Or else, to indicate
that you have missed your calling, and that maybe you should offer your
services to HMG.)

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
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From: andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:08:18 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: andyw@aspen32


In article <nm1vjtg@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> [...]
> So Labour is in a box of its own making.     So what's left?   
> Someone's sex life.   Heck, in the US we'd be asking Mellor 
> to spell "potato".   It's about as relevant.

Exactly, since Bush claimed to be the "Education President",
whilst his VP can't spell a 6 letter word. I call that relevant.

Of course, others may call it lying :-)
-- 
andyw.	N0REN/G1XRL

andyw@aspen.cray.com	Andy Warner, Cray Research, Inc.	(612) 683-5835
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Nea a need *3*
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:29:27 GMT

grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy) writes:



>
>> The arts are not just a "niceties" to have around.
>> They are a chance to reach out to a child, a moment to communicate a
>> problem in society in a unique manner.....
> 
>And the arts wouldn't still exist if not for NEA funding?  Bosh.  Artist
>who want to reach out to children could still do so, volunteering time
>to teach children is such a wonderful thing.  Many studies show that
>paying people to do things they'd like to do anyway eventually causes
>them to dislike the activity and do only what is necessary to satisfy
>the paying supporter (employer, in this case the NEA).  Is that what you
>want?  Art only good enough to please the NEA, not art that is as good
>as it can be?

1. Please cite at least one of these 'many studies', or even an article
which mentions these studies. Are these studies related to art in any way,
or are you just leaping to a conclusion based on studies done on, say,
those who like computers but then rebel against them when paid to program
them 40 hrs a week.

2. No one is saying the arts wouldnt exist without the NEA. However, there
would be less access to this art by the general public, or even the
'cultural elite'. A lot of music that we buy here at UVA music library could
not have been published without government grants. This music could still
exist, but no one (or few people) besides the composer would even know it
existed, much less hear it. Plus, think of things like symphony orchestras.
Without government funding, most of these would either have to raise their
already high ticket prices, putting them even farther out of reach than they
already are, or shut down. Once again, this wouldnt make the music cease
to exist, but it would make it even more difficult, if not impossible, to
hear it performed live.

3. Considering that the military spends more money on its cheesy bands to
spew out Souza marches than the entire NEA budget, and also lets arms
contractors use US equipment free of charge to help advertise these weapons
(at a cost of $100s of millions), to name just two egregious abuses, I think
we can find better ways to save money. Our budget for this year is in the
trillions (to put it in perspective, 1 trillion is around 75 million times
my salary), and it wont get better by gutting the miniscule amount we spend
on arts.

4. Isnt it amazing how this argument crops up on almost every newsgroup??

-rob


Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Nea... a need!
Date: 22 Jul 92  02:40:00 EST

     Dear Mr. Vessell,

     You stated that even though the National Endowment for Arts (NEA) accounts for less than 1 percent of our taxes that it is still a waste of money.

     You are terribly wrong, the NEA is an incredible investment.  Conisdering the cost, it is even more impressive.

     You want to neatly spend each penny on a bare minimum concrete basic need, but (pardon the idealism) are failing to remember the need to build & sustain the human spirit.

     This is what a good culture does for its people.  Private funds should NOT be the only source.  Not because we merely need government to add to the volume of money but rather we need our governemnt to encourage the arts, free thinking, free expression, etc.

     The NEA does this so well for so little.  Why do you think the fundamentalist right-wingers want to control or kill the NEA???

     They know it is a great danger to them taking control of
 our lifes!!!

     The NEA must live, so that Americans can live!

     Boot out Anne-Imelda Radice (newly appointed Chair of the NEA, ordained by Bush), vote Clinton & save the NEA, & by doing so save your FREEDOMS!

                              Thank you for your time,

                              Mark Sablow
                              aka, Professor Atget

 * "Quick hide!  A liberal artist has escaped! *

 * Origin: Aether (1:112/2020)
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From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:42:40 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <nm19p0c@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
=>
=>Catch 22.   If the Tories spend more, they're irresponsible.
=>If they spend less, they're "reneging" on their election 
=>promises.

Surely the irresponsible thing is to make such promises in the first place?


-- 
-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk   

(or am I?)
From: perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Nea = education
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:29:08 GMT
Organization: HJF AIDS Research Project, Washington DC

In article <rdippold.711741339@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>Mark.Sablow@iphase.UUCP (Mark Sablow) writes:
>> The NEA does more than occasionally help create a decent piece of
>>art.  It is so often used to work with our youth.  Involving children
>>with art helps give them a feeling of self-worth.
>
>And they're incapable of being involved with art that isn't NEA
>funded?  I don't think so.  And this self-worth/self-esteem fraud is
>one of the primary reasons our students are doing so badly.  Nothing
>matters as long as their self-esteem is high!

Everyone seems to carry the banner of "self-esteem" these days. To get
the real skinny, read the works of Nathaniel Branden in the psychology/
self-help section of your local bookstore, particularly _Phychology_of_
_Self-Esteem_. The most valuable knowledge he has, IMO, that most people
miss today is how self-esteem is *earned*. Other things do matter to
*earned* self_esteem.

>
>
>> Your 68 to 70 cents is so well used, it should be an example to the
>>rest of government.
>
>I don't think so.  Well-connected artists getting largesse from the
>public to create self-indulgent garbage.

Good point. To get a grant from NEA or from any federal grant-awarding
program requires skill in what is called "grantsmanship". Possession of
this skill has little to do with how much good the grant would do if
awarded. Much of grantsmanship is, of course, pull  (i.e. connections).

.sig
Organization: Senior, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:23:43 -0400 
From: Thomas Omar Smith <ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nea = education
	<rdippold.711741339@cancun>

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) says:
>Mark.Sablow@iphase.UUCP (Mark Sablow) writes:
>> The NEA does more than occasionally help create a decent piece of
>>art.  It is so often used to work with our youth.  Involving children
>>with art helps give them a feeling of self-worth.
>
>And they're incapable of being involved with art that isn't NEA
>funded?  I don't think so.  And this self-worth/self-esteem fraud is
>one of the primary reasons our students are doing so badly.  Nothing
>matters as long as their self-esteem is high!

Gotta agree with Ron on this one.  I keep hearing educators talking
about raising the esteem of students through all sorts of special
programs.  What they fail to comprehend is that the best way to raise
the students esteem is to make them LEARN!  Instead, we have schools
spending money to help students feel better about failure.  If we would
put that money into teaching the basics, and teaching them well, then
students could get their esteem from accomplishment, and be better
equipped for the future.  It is this failing within education, this
inability to grasp such a basic truth, that has allowed our schools to
decline so badly.

					Tom the non hacker
					Kemp in 96!
					Ross Perot may indeed turn this
					country around.  However, his next act
					will probably be to bend it over.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:59:56 EDT
From: The Velcro-Man! <DED110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Penn State CENSORS my usenet!

     The admin's refuse to carry gropus that they don't want to.  Simple as
that.  Not only will they not carry such disk-hogs as alt.binaries.erotica
etc. but will not even carry alt.flame.abortion!  Why?  Because they say so!
Well I for one am not taking this crap.  I am embarking on the uncharted and
perilous journey (dramatic pause) of gaining complete access!!!  Well, not
quite.  I *am* trying other ways to read and post to the.net.  For example:
some kind individuals shared with me method of posting to both alt.sex and
alt.sex.bondage via 2 daemons at other universities.  Not exactly fabulous
knowledge, but progress nonetheless.  I am continuing to ask netters for all
the info they can give me in the hopes that I will be able to publish a
sumary of these techniques for general consumption.  I am told by friends at
vasrious other sites that Penn State is not the only offender, and is even
more liberal than some!  So, I now throw down the gauntlet and ask any and
all of you netters out there to follow me to the fray!  Well, you don't really
have to do that, but it would be nice if you could drop me some E-mail telling
me any neat little techniques and tidbits you've learned about the usenet
concerning reading, posting, FTP'ing, telnetting, etc. as long as it's in some
way relevant to the issue at hand.  I'm not asking for hints on how to hack
into NASA's supercomputers, or anything, just info you may have happened upon.
I'll try to neatly compile the responses and post them, and maybe set up an
FTP site for those w/o any usenet access.  Thanx in advance; let's get 'em!

  "Velcro is your friend!"  Ask me why!


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From: Mark.Sablow@iphase.UUCP (Mark Sablow)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Nea = education again!!!
Date: 29 Jul 92  01:53:00 EST

    Mr. Perez,

    Self-esteem is more than just a banner.  If more young people had it then we would have less of our social ills. The arts have been & will continnue to be a positive outlet for those who are in such a desperate need for a better way.   So why not encourage the arts?  For a whopping 68 to 70 cents a year, the NEA does this.

    I am not going to pretend that there is no politics or "string pulling" done by some to get grants, but you are gravely unfair & inaccurate in saying that is how it all works.   Many grants *DO* weigh out what positive qualities a project will bring.  I have seen the NEA form, it leaves little room for the "grantmanship" of which you speak.


           I & many like me also pay taxes, we feel quite good about our 70 pennies a year.


                           Go Gators, the real Oranage & Blue!

                 Thank you,
                              Mark Sablow
                              aka, Professor Atget

  "Inside every conservative, is a Liberal, just waiting to escape."

 * Origin: Aether (1:112/2020)

Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Nea - a need
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:22:37 GMT

Mark.Sablow@iphase.UUCP (Mark Sablow) writes:

>      Dear Mr. Vessell,
>
>      Yes, you are correct, when you say art will continnue to exist, but flourish?  Under a government that either wants insane taste guidlines or is unwilling to at least make, in some small way, a positive example but encouraging the arts on its own.

By not dictating what a 'positive example' is, and by steadfastly upholding
the 1st Amendment, the government is providing the best environment
possible for art.

>     We as people do in fact have say in the NEA.  More often than not, a sucessful project continnues.  Those projects that are not are less likely to survive.  Also, by voting, one has very much to say.  I will vote against Bush knowing any change is almost certainly a change for the better.

Doesn't not funding 'unpopular' projects constitute censorship?

>     You are incorrect in saying that the NEA reachs out to so few.  It helps many organizations survive that touch so many people.  Most often it is used for musical performences, arts exhibits, & to introduce our youth to art.  Without the NEA, these efforts would not happen.  SO MUCH FOR SO LITTLE!

Well, perhaps some examples of these wonderful projects would sway my
opinion.

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
               Andre Marrou -- Libertarian for President 1992
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
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From: jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:21:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul24.032142.48591
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes
> Catch 22.   If the Tories spend more, they're irresponsible.
> If they spend less, they're "reneging" on their election 
> promises.

Bollocks.  If they spend more, they're fulfilling their election
promises.  Those people who said at the time that these promises were
irresponsible can then continue to say that they're irresponsible, and
no doubt will.  But the promises got the Tories elected, so they have
a mandate.

If they spend less, they're reneging on election promises.  Nothing
new in politics there, although they will get called on it.

This doesn't come close to qualifying as a Catch 22, except perhaps in
Jon's fevered imagination.

Jonathan H., jch@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.censorship