From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.motss,ne.politics
Subject: Re: Homosexual pedophilia conspiracy?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:56:54 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <92212.060853IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> excuse me, but "rate of infection" refers to NEW cases, not the old
> ones.  so the fact that people are dying is immaterial to that
> particular figure. 

FALSE.

The fact that people are dying has an effect on both the rate of new
cases and the overall rate of percentage of a population which is
currently infected.

Evidently this is a bit subtle so I'll give it another try.

If you assume that in a given population:

  ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUALLY SEXUALLY ACTIVE

then "Ailsa N.T. Murphy" is can be correct, that the fact that people
are dying won't have any effect on the rate of new infection.

However, ALL PEOPLE ARE *NOT* EQUALLY SEXUALLY ACTIVE.

There is a whole range of "effective sex drives" if you will, in
a given population. 

With HIV and AIDS, when you are talking about sexual transmission,
isn't it obvious that those people who have the greatest
"effective/succesful sex drives" will be infected first, and
also tend to die out first?

Therefore, as the most sexually active portion of a population
dies out, those people are no longer able to infect other people.
That is, THEIR BEHAVIOR is no longer able to influence the
behavior of other people in the population.

With HIV there is reported to be some other effects too. Such
as the virus can attack the brain and other organs in such
a way as to actually REDUCE THE SEXUAL DRIVE.
(e.g. nerve damage that results in the inability to obtain the
proper configuration for a male to have sex).

> the fastest growing group of HIV+ people is straight high school students.

Closer to the mark: 

"the fastest growing group of HIV+ people is straight, sexually successful
 high-school students."

> brewer high school, where i live, has five HIV+ kids.  bangor has
> a similar number.  these are not big towns folks!  the twin
> city are here is still half the size of portland...  there are only
> around 600 kids in the whole high school...  so almost 1% of kids
> at brewer high is HIV+...

Scary. Now, what is the percentage of students who have had more than
one sexual partner or who have had a sex partner that has had more than
one sex partner? Call this the R group (for risk group).

(Two virgins who are first experimenting with SEX cannot give each
other HIV.)

Is it 50% of high school students that are in group R, or 33%?

If you are outside of group R or other risk group then your chance of having sex
with an HIV infected person is ZERO.

If you are inside group R then the chance is not the "almost 1%" you
calculate, but instead more like 2% or even 3%.

HERE IS AN EVEN MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION.

If you KNEW THAT A PERSON HAD HIV, would you have SEX WITH THEM?

e.g. Say you were a woman, and you had a chance to bed down the
     captain of the mens football team. Of course they tell you
     at school to make sure he uses a rubber. OK. fine.

     But if you KNEW THAT HE HAD HIV, would you still want to have
     have biological standard style sex, even with a rubber?

     ["by biological standard style sex" I mean of couse
      those behaviros and activities that are natural for 
      the sexual reproduction of the human species.]
















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