Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.management.decmcc
Subject: Re: DEC MSU vs. DECmcc future?
From: archerb@gawain.umkc.edu (Barry Archer)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:19:21 GMT
Reply-To: archerb@gawain.umkc.edu (Barry Archer)
Organization: UMKC Academic Computing Services

In article <1dtkgaINN7tm@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie) writes:
|>In article <1992Nov11.083116.18916@cs.joensuu.fi> vaisanen@joyds2.joensuu.fi (Jarmo Vaisanen) writes:
|>>...
|>>I understand that DEC MSU is SNMP and DECnet IV manager and that it is
|>>targeted at smaller installations. I happen to have v1.1 of MSU and the
|>>future seems a little bit odd.  MSU requires INGRES but ULTRIX doesn't
|>>any more include INGRES run time.  So I'm stuck with 4.2 (?)  What about
|>>MSU 1.2 (1.x, 2.x) - is there such a thing any more in production lines?
|>
|>DECmcc has the same problem, it requires Ultrix/SQL.  After asking my sales 
|>being what the story was. He found out that Ultrix/sql (ingress/sql) will
|>be bundled with the next release of DECmcc.  But this is only for a limited
|>time (don't know how long) at which point DECmcc will be able to run with
|>the db of your choice.
|>
|>DEC's arguement is they are giving us freedom by allowing us to choose the
|>db we want not the one they force on us.
|>
|>My arguement is that at the moment I don't really care which db it uses.
|>I just don't want to be forced to pay for one in the future.
|>
|>Roger
|>
|>
|>-- 
|>brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz
|>

  I agree.  The following announcment from DEC on the retirement of Ultrix SQL
contains a phone number for Ingres to set up some sort of low cost conversion
of licenses.  How low cost, I don't know.

  I had heard a long time back that DEC was thinking of moving rdb to Ultrix,
but I would suppose that would now be a port to OSF/1, but I haven't heard
any more about that lately.

  It would be nice if those who bought into DEC's network management software
had a more clearly laid out migration path presented by DEC - and some
re-assurance that we haven't come to depend upon a very important piece of
software that has a big hidden cost ready to bite in the future.  I'm not too
concerned with Ultrix, since Ultrix is rapidly approaching 'maturity' and SQL is
bundled with MSU now.  It's what to do when I make that inevitable transition
to OSF/1 that makes me nervous...

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ULTRIX SQL RETIRING

Highlights

o  Last order date: September 4, 1992; last ship date: September 30, 1992

o  Cost-effective migration program available

Retirement Program

Digital is announcing the retirement of ULTRIX SQL software effective with
the release of the ULTRIX V4.3 operating system. Therefore the ULTRIX SQL
license will not be packaged with the ULTRIX V4.3 product or with any
subsequent versions. Maintenance and support for the ULTRIX SQL product will
be provided until December 31, 1993.

Product Description

The ULTRIX SQL product is a full-featured RDBMS engine that is licensed at
"no-charge" with the ULTRIX operating system on many VAX systems, and with
all RISC-based DECstation and DECsystem computers. The Ingres V6.3
technology forms the basis for the ULTRIX SQL V2.0 product.

Migration Solution

Digital has negotiated a cost-effective migration program with Ingres
Corporation that allows current ULTRIX users to purchase a low-cost
migration kit for the native INGRES database. This program includes a
cost-effective migration for the INGRES Application Development Tools.
ULTRIX SQL users who desire information on how to purchase the Ingres
migration kit as a replacement for the ULTRIX SQL product can telephone
Ingres at 800-4INGRES.

Please contact your local Digital sales office for more information.

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Barry Archer 
archerb@gawain.umkc.edu	

  "Madness is the result not of uncertainty but certainty."
	- Friedrich Nietzsche

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