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From: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:31:55 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
Reply-To: njtravis@ux5.lbl.gov (Nancy Jean Travis)
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In article <1992Dec10.204229.13357@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>  Have all you true surfers out there gotten injured learning
>the sport?  Do you get injured regularly even once your good?  Or do you
>learn how to fall, or know your limits to avoid injury.  
>
>Leo Dagum

When I borrowed my brother's apartment at Del Mar
there was a trail of blood leading up to the front door
and some more in the entry hall.
Since he had cut himself surfing and had stitches before
he left, I assumed that the blood was not supposed to be
cleaned up. I read "The Red Badge of Courage" a long time ago.
After a couple of days of dripping wetsuits and wet feet it
washed away naturally.  He was pleased when he got back and
showed us the scars, of course!

I haven't been cut yet, but some folks do. Some seem to like it!
Big cut stories are as popular as big wave stories....
I agree with John Airey that you should learn to surf in control.
Surfing injuries are usually like driving injuries: the people
that cause them aren't always the ones that get hurt.

Nancy =B-)

PS Checked out Tressles finally Saturday! Surf was just ok, no crowds.
Gee what a nice train layout!
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: carrie@wam.umd.edu (Carrie Lynn Leonard)
Subject: East Coast Storm
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:07:17 GMT

I was wondering if anyone got a chance to head over to the beaches this weekend
to check out the storm.  The pictures on the news of the Deleware coast were
quite impressive.  Since I'm new to the area I was curious as too how much
beach is going tobe lost to a storm like this.  Is beach erosion a common
occurance out here?  Just curious - I wish I would've had time to check the
scene out myself.  I HATE FINALS WEEK!!!

Carrie

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From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Organization: NSWSES Code 4g13 - Opinions: None
Subject: Regular vs Goofy
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:55:32 -0800
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  Does anyone out there in surf land have any hard facts on the
number of regular vs goofy footers there are in the world. Whether
one surfs (snowboards, skates) or not, they will be one or the other.
So what is the ratio?  50:50?  60:40?

Danny

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From: danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:32:30 GMT
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I sure have enjoyed reading about all the injuries you
stand up surfers get.  Makes me wonder why everybody
doesn't  bodyboard.    My worst injury ever was from a
ape head hard board surfer bailing his board in front of me
(and that was just a bruise).  Oh yes, and I once hurt my
leg trying to shoot Hueneme Pier. (I did it twice with no
problem, what a rush!)

Well, you guys keep up the blood bath, and KP and I will
sponge our way into the sunset


Danny

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From: mansfike@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Keith E Mansfield)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 17 Dec 1992 06:14:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: mansfike@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Keith E Mansfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-11.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <DENNIS_.88.0@NCSU.EDU> DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA) writes:

> dumped me, head first into 3-4 feet of water.  I was so cold that I  
couldn't 
> ball up or put my hands out.  I managed to scrape a good chunk of skin  
off 
> my forehead and totally disorient myself before I floated up and caught 
> my board.  When I got to shore, I was covered in blood.  It was all in 

The smakin' the reef with the face has to be the most embarrassing  
injuries, depending on the severity and how you got it.  Speaking from  
experience, I had a late entry on a steep face.  I never got a turn in and  
kept descending right into the sandy bottom.  I came out bleeding with a  
huge strawberry on my forehead.  It didn't hurt much; however, the next  
day there was this mongroid scab which caught the interest of everyone.   
Considering the injury was on Florida wavs during my body boarding days, I  
was quite embarrassed.

-keith


Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:46:05 GMT

Brian Kiviat

>I have cut my ankle and my hand (while covering my head) with a fin.
>Nothing good enough for stitches. I figure I'll keep goin' for more
>until I have a fatal injury, then I'll back off.  

Now that's a Hell(man) motto

Jimbo
From: andy@elviss.Eng.Sun.COM (Andrew Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Regular vs Goofy
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:52:45 GMT
Organization: Sun
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In article <1992Dec17.092625@aifh.ed.ac.uk> wamb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (W W Vasconcelos) writes:
>
>now it occurred to me: i think i have seen footages of michael ho switching 
>stance (he's normally regular) and surfing ala moana (a lefty spot) front-side,
>that is, as a goofy-footer. how about that?
>
>cheers,
>
>w

I have seen quit a few long boarder switch back and forth on the same
wave. If you are really good (or at least better than I am) you can
switch as you walk forward or back on the board

Andy
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I have cut my ankle and my hand (while covering my head) with a fin.
Nothing good enough for stitches. I figure I'll keep goin' for more
until I have a fatal injury, then I'll back off.  Its all part of the
thang.  Sorry about the wetsuit, they aren't cheap. You'll heal and
be back.

   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
  /     David Taylor Model Basin
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From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: surf report, SD North County, 12/16/92
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:39:42 GMT
Organization: CERFnet
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

Surfed this morning for two hours with no one else out. 3-4ft
offshore, kind of funny direction swell. A bit inconsistent,
but quite fun. Water has really cooled off, I wore boots and
a skull cap , plus 3-2 fullsuit as I got in shortly after 
first light.

First real surf in two weeks. Last night I got back from painting 
our new house to find a message from Chris Burdock on my ansaphone
He's over here for the holidays and was surfing trestles today.

Will post if we get a net surf in this weekend - anyone else 
interested in a Saturday, North County net surf ??

Mike
"A brit in yank land"
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Bells
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:15:53 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
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In article <1992Dec15.022150.7623@cc.uow.edu.au> g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW) writes:
>I met up with Lud on the weekend for a late afternoon surf at Bells
>having previously nailed myself with the flu and two parties. Lud kindly 
>provided a 7' 2" cruiser, just right for my state of mind and body. 
>The wind was light offshore and the sets head-high but perhaps
>a little inconsistent. The sunset was superb: there was a break
>in the clouds above the Bells Cliffs where the sun was going down;
>the light was soft and the waves were being gently fanned by the
>offshore. Filth! Foul! Thanks for the board Lud, until next time
>
>Jim.

Anytime Jim,  amazingly, there was no swell, and the wind was onshore
both days either side of the "one day net-surf", you're  obviously in
king Neptunes good books :-).

That sunset would have made a great photo, when is someone going to
come out with a tiny, unobtrusive, waterproof camera so we can capture
these moments for posterity ?.

Cheer's, keep surfing,
Lud.
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: two weeks in Byron
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:44:58 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
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In article <gavind.724549790@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au> gavind@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Gavin Dixon) writes:
>Travelled back to Byron Bay for the first time in a couple of years and
>struck upon some decent swell (for early December). While Sydney was being
>inundated with rain, Byron was a consistent 3-4' and offshore. We sat on the
>headland at Broken Head (10km south of Byron) on the 2nd and watched the swell
>increase from 2 to 5' over a 2 hour period. Later that week there were some
>nice 3' waves to be had at Wategoes and Little Wategoes (the most easterly
>beach in Australia). Had some fun relearning the basics on my Gordon Woods
>mal (haven't surfed in 2 years) and got my girlfriend surfing on my second
>mal, a 10'6 Joe Larkin. Good fun. Lets hope some commonsense prevails with
>the proposed Club Med development.
>
>gavin
>

Ah.. Byron Bay, that brings back some fond memories from 20, 25 years
ago, apart from the classic surf, one thing thing that still sticks in
my mind is chocalate flavoured milk ! , yeh, I know real men dont
drink milk :-), but that was before then.

We used to camp right at the pass, looking out of the tent, or
Kombi, right at the break, fantastic view !

The local milkman used to take a detour from his normmal round, and
would come by at the crack of dawn.
As well as your standard milk, he also had this fantastic chocalate
flavoured brew, which was the best flavoured milk in the while surfing
universe !  This stuff was so thick and flavoursome you just about had
to chew the stuff to get it down !
It made a great start to the day's of classic enldless surf that used
to exist in the "good old days " :-)

Whenever we went up there (roughly a 24 hour drive from Bells), we
would always stock up the gas fridge in the Kombi with chocalate milk
for the return journey.

What's the crowd factor like up there now gavin ? , and where/what is
this proposed development.

Cheers, keep surfing,
Lud.

PS, I think a few of us will be heading up that way in the new year
somtime.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: roger@creek.eel.ufl.edu (Roger Ross)
Subject: RE: first surf injury
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:17:11 GMT


Yea, let me see.....

Back when I was 12, I was riding shorepound, it was a perfect south
swell in Daytona Beach.  Rights were peeling forever at about 3 ft
faces.  The tide started to drop, and the pounding was getting worse.
I dropped in a right, cruised along and went to jump over the face
when the lip clipped my feet sending them straight up and I did a 
perfect head first dive into about a foot of water behind the wave.
Even with my arms ahead of me, my head clonked the sand so hard I
thought I broke my neck.  My teeth slammed together and I thought I
must have crushed some(luckily I didn't).  What I did do was strain
my jaw muscles, and do something that raised a lump on the back of
my neck for two months (A chiropractor helped me out tremendously
during this time.  I don't care if most people think they are not
legit).

I have also cut myself in a few places from my fins.  Once during
an ESA contest I gashed my leg, and surfed three more heats until
the semis with duct tape tightly wrapped around it.  Everyone heckled
me and called me shark bait and such.

I think every surfer likes to share his/her scar stories.  Only
death will stop me from surfing.

roger
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:31:10 GMT
Organization: CERFnet
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

Ahha, all these nasty injury stories remind me of my worst ever session.
See, I took off on this huge gnarly wave when all of a sudden the bottom
drops out of it an I'm thrown onto bare gnarly reef which removed 50%
of my skin. After being leach dragged over a huge underwater rock,
I was thrown into a cave full of fire coral. Finally after at least
10 sets had passed and I had been breathing water for 5 minutes I 
got out an swam to the surface where a shark took off my leg. I wipped
out my trusty knife and did battle with the creature. Eventually I 
prevailed and cut into its stomach to recover my leg.

Then I swam back to shore. While getting out I forgot to shuffle my
feet and trod on a stingray.

I was admitted to hospital and luckily they managed to reattach my
leg, so I'm just fine now.

Mike
"A brit in yankland"
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report SIO(12/16)
Keywords: Looks Fun
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:33:03 GMT

3-6 foot faces,
Sunny and hazy,
11 guys out at 12:30,
not too much wind.

I'm dry docked here for a while.
Trying to get over a serious cold.
What a drag.  Can't get wet, can't exercise.
Just about guarantees a quality swell here with in
the next coupld of days.

Surf Injury - 

	Speaking of other peoples carelessness.
I was at Hospitals in La Jolla, paddling back out
after a nice right and this kook bails out of a wave in
front of me.  We were both scratching to get back outside
as a set came through and he bailed his board to dive
under a wave.  He knew I was there and he made no
attempt to hang on to his board.  As I ducked dived under
the wave his skeg hit me in the posterior region.
Put a nice slice in my wetsuit and a pretty good bruise on
my tush.  Not a serrious injury, but it could just have
easily been my head that got slashed.

Later,
Tod





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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: roland@sun-2.cs.uct.ac.za (Roland Paterson-Jones)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:42:59 GMT

My favourite is a diagonal slash across the top of my instep. I've never
quite worked out why or when I do it, but it's happened at least fifteen times
(I've only surfed for 3-odd years), and is not at all wipe-out related. I
suspect I drag my feet past the fins when standing, but that seems to require
more contortionism that I give myself credit.

Saw pictures on the news last night of storm surf eating a house on the
west(?) coast of the states. Looked pretty awesome and not particularly
surfable.

Well, back to work...

--
Roland P-Jones			aka roland@uctcs.cs.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town		 or roland@sun-2.cs.uct.ac.za
South Africa
From: wamb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (W W Vasconcelos)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Regular vs Goofy
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:26:25 GMT
Reply-To: wamb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (W W Vasconcelos)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes (15 Dec 92 22:55:32 GMT)

+  Does anyone out there in surf land have any hard facts on the
+ number of regular vs goofy footers there are in the world. Whether
+ one surfs (snowboards, skates) or not, they will be one or the other.
+ (stuff deleted here)

wrong. i am a goofy when wet (surfing) and regular when dry (skateboarding).
that's probably another way to define "wierd", but there's not much i can do
at this point (18 years of surfing, 15 of skateboarding). 

now it occurred to me: i think i have seen footages of michael ho switching 
stance (he's normally regular) and surfing ala moana (a lefty spot) front-side,
that is, as a goofy-footer. how about that?

cheers,

w
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: gavind@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Gavin Dixon)
Subject: two weeks in Byron
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:49:50 GMT

Travelled back to Byron Bay for the first time in a couple of years and
struck upon some decent swell (for early December). While Sydney was being
inundated with rain, Byron was a consistent 3-4' and offshore. We sat on the
headland at Broken Head (10km south of Byron) on the 2nd and watched the swell
increase from 2 to 5' over a 2 hour period. Later that week there were some
nice 3' waves to be had at Wategoes and Little Wategoes (the most easterly
beach in Australia). Had some fun relearning the basics on my Gordon Woods
mal (haven't surfed in 2 years) and got my girlfriend surfing on my second
mal, a 10'6 Joe Larkin. Good fun. Lets hope some commonsense prevails with
the proposed Club Med development.

gavin
From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:18:40 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <DENNIS_.90.0@NCSU.EDU> DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA) writes:
>In article <1goe7uINN3h8@news.cerf.net> mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
>>From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
>>I was thrown into a cave full of fire coral. Finally after at least
>>10 sets had passed and I had been breathing water for 5 minutes I 
>>got out an swam to the surface where a shark took off my leg. I wipped
>>out my trusty knife and did battle with the creature. Eventually I 
>>prevailed and cut into its stomach to recover my leg.
>>
>>Then I swam back to shore. While getting out I forgot to shuffle my
>>feet and trod on a stingray.
Shouldn't that be foot or did you just make this up?

>>I was admitted to hospital and luckily they managed to reattach my
>>leg, so I'm just fine now.
Glad it ended happily.

>I can't believe you let a few inconveniences spoil your day surfing.  Geez! 
>You Brits can be such wimps.
At least he wouldn't have to worry about being a goofy foot or not for the
rest of the day. :-)

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: sgccses@citec.oz.au (Stephen Spence)
Subject: surf injury
Organization: CITEC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:33:06 GMT

I was having a nice surf on Sunshine Beach in QLD Australia and took a wave
and the lip came over and shut me down.  My board was shot straight up in the
air and my 3rd fin came directly down onto the top of my left foot.  It did
not hurt, so I keep surfing for about 1 hour.  I got out and walked up to my 
car and only then noticed how bad it was.  I hit the doctors surgery straight
away with my towel wrapped around my foot to keep the blood in.  10 stiches
latter I left the surgery.

The worst part was that a really nice offshory came through that arvo and the
whole place just went off.  I sat on the beach and just watched.  Thats Life.

-- 
Stephen Spence                |
CITEC                         |        "Stop the WORLD
Australia                     |  Cause this is where I get off"
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Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Subject: Re:Surfing Injuries
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:34:30 GMT

I just remembered my most aggrivating "injury"...

I was surfing Malibu last summer with beautiful 6-8' faces rolling  
through.  I caught this great wave, hollered 3-4 people off it and had  
been working it for about 40 yards when yet another guy takes off in front  
of me.  So, I give 'im a yell and he bails over the lip, _with his board_  
mind you!  No problem, right?  Well, next thing I know his board comes  
sailing out of the wave, and nails me square on the chin.  Knocked me flat  
on my ass... I got out of the water thinking I'd busted my jaw.  ('turned  
out it was just sore for a week or so)  Anyway, I paddle back out after  
regaining my equilibrium... first guy a paddle up to: "Did you see that  
dude get nailed by that guys board? <chuckle>"

Nice to know somebody enjoyed it! :^)

I still don't know how that guy's board got back through the wave... he  
must have gooned it right after going over the lip or something...

Robert Kieffer
kieffer@spf.trw.com
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: fks@vaxeline.ftp.com  (Frances K. Selkirk)
Subject: Re: Golden Rules of Polyamory
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: fks@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:57:00

In article <BzDKHz.Cr0@wrs.com> jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
nn
> 1) Avoid people who work where you work.  

Oh my! and here I am, married to a co-worker! (*giggle*) Seriously, it
probably depends on the person (should anything happen, do you trust them
to be a _sane_ ex?) and the workplace.  Here at FTP, we have found this
sort of structure to work very well at facilitating inter-departmental
cooperation! Offhand, I can think of seven married couples working here,
there are many more dating, and we've occasionally had two or three
members of triads in concurrent employment.  We've never had any trouble,
even when couples have broken up while working here, and many employees
have recommend ex-lovers for jobs.

Of course, at some places, such things are forbidden. That's another
kettle of worms (can of fish? :-), entirely, as are direct supervisors
and direct subordinates.

							-Francie

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Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Could anyone be poly?
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:31:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Dec12.101953.24131@midway.uchicago.edu> mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>What do I myself believe?  I basically disbelieve in absolutes.  

     All of them?  :-)

     I must say that I agree with the bulk of the rest of your
post.  Good summary.

				-Phil
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