HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mhe@iastate.edu (Min He)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: look for one more Tsinghua person
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:35:03 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <14OCT199217361149@elroy.uh.edu> math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:

>In article <2ADB77BB.12213@news.service.uci.edu>, yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes...
>>Qiu, Yanping
>>originally from Tsinghua Li-9 (Mechanics 79).  She propably has got a couple
>>of degrees in the US.  If memory serves me well, she was admited by New Jersey
>>Institute of technology when she came to the US in 1986.  I wish I knew where
>>she and her husband are now.
>> 
>>shannon
>>-------
>What is this shannon ? Tryin to show some humanity ? Just what made you 
>suddenly become so soft and sweet ? My eyes are wet now !
>Thinking about your old friends ? Why not hate them ?! Cause they may also
>become blood-carders .
>Come on shannon , don't give us this, it only makes people sick !

Hey, who are you? What did this Shnnon Yeh bother you by posting an article
looking for his Tsinghua friend? This net is full of groundless personal
attacks toward this poor Shannon these days. Ask yourself, did you show
any respect to his basic human right? He must have made all of you guys
uneasy. Resort to some rational means to settle the issue. Such pointless
personal attacks are just too cheap.

IMPORTANT:
Do not take me as a net police or Shannon's supporter. This is my first
and also my last followup to this topic. I have killed all the articles
with Shannon in the title, but this one just came through. I will try
to kill by names.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: 9 Cai
Organization: MITRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:19:37 GMT

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9 Cai4 (see above Chinese character) is very common vegetable.  I have two
ways to cook it (see list below).  Could anyone add this list for me.
Thanx.

1) stir fry with Dou4Fu3Gan.
2) stir fry with
squid.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27860 talk.politics.china:1916
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: American Employer's Reply to Shanoon Yeh.
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:29:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw4M5q.EIp
Organization: Indiana University


From usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ibmchs!auschs!awdprime.austin.ibm.com!auntbea.austin.ibm.com!alan Wed Oct 14 14:27:47 EST 1992
Article: 1484 of misc.jobs.contract
From: cshaver@informix.com (Craig Shaver)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: my final article on the Chinese refugees' employment
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:49:10 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <2ADB9A5F.15411@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>I received many readers' comments after I posted my previous article.  
>

	blah, blah, blah....

>     in the US are NOT for democracy but for their green cards.  My predict
>
Going for the buck$ huh?  These guys sound like REAL Americans!  I Think
they should get automatic citizenship based on engenuity in working the
system.

JUST my humble opinion, not meant to offend the paterland.

	Kraig at Korporate Kontrol


-- 
Craig Shaver  (cshaver@informix.com for now) (415)390-0654 (415)926-6407
Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA  94088
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cai@athena.mit.edu (Liang-Wu Cai)
Subject: looking for a friend!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:25:17 GMT

I am looking for one of my best friends. She was from 807 USTC and went to
Canada in 1987(0r 88). The name is Hong (first) Lei(last). If anyone knows
her address please contact cai@athena.mit.edu . It is appreciated.
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China rejects clemency petition from jailed dissident's mom
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (NICK DRIVER)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.issues.civil_rights
Subject: China rejects clemency petition from jailed dissident's mom
Keywords: international, non-usa government, government, civil rights,
	social issues
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 1:45:04 PDT
Location: china
ACategory: international
Slugword: china-dissident
Priority: regular
Format: regular
ANPA: Wc: 383; Id: z1076; Sel: chigf; Adate: 10-15-440aed
Codes: &igfrch., &ixhrxx., &ixhrch., tncn....



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	BEIJING (UPI) -- Chinese officials have refused to accept a clemency
petition from the mother of Shen Tong, a dissident student leader who
has been under detention since soon after returning from self-exile in
the United States.
	Li Yixian this week said police told her they could not accept her
petition, partly because they had no record of Shen's case.
	The Beijing Public Security Bureau denies jailing Shen, claiming
instead that the 24-year-old remained only ``under surveillance and
investigation in a residence,'' according to Li.
	However, Li said she told police that ``this was actually
imprisonment by a different name, (and) it was illegal for them to keep
him this long.''
	Under Chinese law, police can technically hold a detainee for just 15
days before charging him with a crime.
	But the law has several loopholes, and authorities have detained many
prisoners for months -- even years -- without charge.
	So far, Shen has been held for more than 45 days.
	However, Li said that late last month, she attempted to file a
petition on Shen's behalf, after the 15-day detention period lapsed with
no word from either her son or authorities.
	In her petition, Li, 51, accused the government of holding Shen
illegally, and also of withholding information regarding his
whereabouts.
	Authorities have prohibited Shen from corresponding with anyone
during his confinement -- even forbidding him from signing his name for
packages sent by his mother.
	Shen, one of the leaders of the 1989 student pro-democracy movement,
fled China immediately after the Tiananmen Square massacre. He took up
graduate studies in Boston, creating the Democracy for China Fund there.
	But the pro-democracy leader returned to Beijing this summer in hopes
of re-establishing contact with China's underground dissidents.
	However, police detained Shen on Sept. 1, hours before he planned to
hold a news conference announcing formation of a Beijing branch of the
Democracy for China Fund.
	Last week, a group of 74 U.S. senators wrote Chinese Premier Li Peng
demanding the dissident's release. The U.S. State Department has also
previously expressed concern over Shen's detention.
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27998 soc.culture.taiwan:14435 soc.culture.hongkong:12618
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:28:07 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1bj56mINNas6@agate.berkeley.edu>, bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi
Lin) writes:
|> 
|> 	Hey, but you do have to give the Japanese credit for building a good
|> infrastructure in Taiwan (albeit for military purposes).  When the KMT took
|> over they sorta undid what the Japanese built.  Kaohsiong used to
have really
|> wide boulevards until old man Chiang came over; now all we have are traffic
|> congestions.

What credit?

They destroyed everything when they left,
took everything they could and
buried everything they could not destroy or take back.

My grandfather participated the sending back of japanese after WWII.
They was allowed to take all valuables belonings.

If old Chiang did something wrong, it was too much mercy to the japanese.
He should have sent them back empty handed.

What happened to those "real-wide blvds" of 40 years ago?

|> -- 
|>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> "He's dead, Jim."
|> "But that's impossible!"
|> 
|> Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
|> Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
|> University of California at Berkeley
|>
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27711 talk.politics.china:1874
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: 9201 people will be more active
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:15:05 GMT

In article <98579@bu.edu> lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>Well, basically I don't disagree with Eddie, and I thank Sanyee, Bo, for
>their advices. But it is unfair to blame CSS for misleading ...
>
>It is obvious, USA is an immigration country, Canada is another, Australia
>is another. Is there any more? Maybe Fiji? These immigration countres need
>high quality immigrants. But morally, and by mutual agreement, they should
>send J-1 students back to developping countries. That is why there is a
>two yr blah balh. It is 6-4, offered them a good excuse to keep these
>students. Swiss, probably loves human right no less than USA. But Swiss
>simply does not like immigrants. Any one can lobby Swiss to "protect"
>CSS there? Japan? UK?


	Well, basically I am not blaming CSS for misleading US *into* 
granting immigration, although that is a direct consequence of 
the misleading.  I am blaming CSS for misleading the US to perceive 
China as a nation is still in the dark days of her 50s and 60s.  
Particularly they try to project the image that *any* CSS would not 
be able to live in China, for whatever their blah blah reason.

	Again, I can not care less what Uncle Sam wants to do for/to
other people.  It is their business, not mine.  It wants these people
for its own reason and CSS pushed for a perfect excuse.  What I
care is the honesty and morality of my fellow CSS, especially when
such things are damaging the interests of China and people living
in China.

	On a not-so-serious note, I think Bill Clinton is a direct 
victim of this misleading.  :-)  Even Ross Perot realized that
"capitalism is thriving on most part of China".  Clinton did
not even get a clue, thanks to Pelosi and her gangs responsible
for preparing the platform for him...

>That is what I mean "natural". I have said these for years. There was no
>need to lie. And it is not CSS's faulty to lie.

	There may not be any need to lie, but many did nonetheless.  And
once they did, it is their fault.  Why not?

>Well, a "lobby task force" (something like that) of a university suggests
>the protection of CSS coming after 4-11-90 is easy, because there might
>be another 6-4 next year. Well, my goodness, whether CSS of group B should
>thank this "goodwill"? Are they responsible to such "goodwill"?

	Just goes to show some true faces in the "lobby task force".  People
are responsible only on what they themselves have said or done.


    Eddie
From: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Chen Han Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: help
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:54:37 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: Inst. of Info. Sci. & Elec., Univ. of Tsukuba, Tsukuba City,
	Ibaraki, Japan


I am a Chinese student in Japan, and is going to US to attend a conference. 
I am planing to stay in New York for about 6 days (Nov 1 - Nov 6) and stay in 
around Washington for 6 days (Nov 6 - Nov 11). If anybody out there has any 
information about the Youth Hotel (traffic, Tel. No.) and anything you think 
interesting around these areas (NY, Washingto, and Baltimore), could you 
kindly send me a mail to the following address:

chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp

Thank you very much in advance.


--
                                            
  ::	Hanxiong Chen 
  ::    Email: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: 70,000 People Should Sue Shanoon Yeh, Seriously
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:44:25 GMT

In article <Bw4L79.DCt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>The following are copied from misc.jobs.contract. I seriously
>believe Shanoon Yeh has gone too far. I believe he is guilty
>of promoting discrimination and hatred. Please sue him. We
>should let his company go bankruptcy now.
>
>The following is long.
>
>
>

[Shannon Yeh's post:]

>Dear Employers in the US:
>
>Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
>refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those 
>refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they 
>faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how 
>dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.
>
>I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
>compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
>cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
>other US legislators.  Thank you.
>
>Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
>Irvine, California
>
>PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate those who raped justice.
>

Just stepped in. One question: what did Mr.Yeh mean by urging the
companies not to offer any PRIVILEGE to those refugees ... (for complete
sentence see above )?  I don't see where he asked the companies not to HIRE
those refugees. Maybe my English is not good enough. Correct me if so.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 01:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.221004.13122@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang) writes:
>Hey! What is the point of this argument? If you are in mainland China, you
>use simplified one; if you are in Taiwan or Hongkong or anywhere else, use
>traditional one. This is the reality. If you can't change it, change your-
Singapore uses simplified characters, I believe. At least that's what they
teach.
>self, please. Just like in USA, you use American English; in England, you 
>use British English.
...and in Canada, we use Canadian English...8-)
>If you want to play go in Japan, you use the Japanese rules;
And most anywhere else in the world, in face.
>if you play go in China, you use the Chinese rules.
Actually, I think it's more likely to be Taiwan. The People's Republic
is adopting the Japanese rules, I believe.
>Which one is better? I think it is the next one. :)
Not necessarily. 8-)

-- Vince

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vli@mprgate.mpr.ca        |-) It works well under pressure: Another thing
                          |-] you can say about your pillow. -- Mr Boffo
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27960 talk.politics.china:1945
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Psychology of New Immigrants, Watch Yourself in Future.
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:03:44 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <Bw5H30.595@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>But that is not neccessarily so. We have seen Shanoon Yeh.
>In fact, a few years ago, a Nobel Prize winner also did
>similar thing as Mr. Yeh did in misc.jobs.contract. I was
>told that he telephoned some schools asking them not to
>accept Chinese from mainland as postdocs. My another experience
>was about a Chairman also from a third world country, he 
>tried every way to block immigration visas for people such
>as from Indian, Brazil, Mideast, and China.
>
>Xiao Li

Xiao Li, these are isolated cases. I find your generalization
is totally untrue.

I know you are talking about TD Lee. Let me tell you a story about
him to cheer you up :-)

It was right after June 4 massacre, he went to Beijing 
brown-nosing the masseurs ... he ended up giving a speech 
at KeDa Graduate School. While he was bashing
the U.S. to the audience,  a student stood up asked him,
"Ke1Xue2Yuan4 De4 Li3_Zheng4Wei3, Ni2 Shen2Me4 Shi2Hou4 Hui2Guo?"
He was happy about it and didn't finish his speech that day. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:00:40 GMT

In article <Bvystz.AMr@acsu.buffalo.edu> v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <9228521.24121@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes...
>>A friend of mine, who is an Australian, is learning Chinese.
>It is toltally unnecessary to create simplified characters. If you want to
>make Chinese easy to write , you can create some kind of alphabet like what
>Dr. Hu shi did . That will also make Chinese keying easier in computer.

Yes, I agree with you.  I learned simplified chinese from the first day
I started learning how to write.  I can read traditional chinese characters
easily, but I can't write in the traditional way.  It's very hard for me to
learn how to write traditional chinese, and I don't see there is any reason
for me to learn it right now.  There are 1.5 billion people use the 
simplified chinese, so I just don't want to put much effort on learning the
complex way.  On the other hand, chinese characters are not just for 
communication, they are art works created by our ancestors.  In this way,
I am hundred preset support traditional chinese.

>The standard characters has been used for 2000 years. Although it is a little
>bit harder for beginners to write than simplified character, it is beautiful
>and it makes sense for all Chinese dialects. Mainlanders were forced to use
>it and have been used to it while Taiwanese are still using standard characters
> Who is the separatist ? Who are destroying the integrity of China in the
>cultural aspects?  If military forces decide everything, those mainlanders who
>think it is important to keep China as genuine China(including territory) should
>be very happy about the F-16 sale to Taiwan so that a piese of genuine China
>will be preserved .


I don't know there is any connection between Chinese characters and F-16s.
Why some people always try to lead the topic to fight?  What have this to
do with millitary forces?  You can start a new subject 'F-16 and Chinese 
Characters,' so I don't have to waste my time reading your words.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Zhong Deng)
Subject: Re: 800 number needed for Discovery Card
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana,  IL
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:24:44 GMT

In article <92287.075030PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Does someone in this net have Discovery Card or know the 800 number for
>the Discovery Card? It is very appreciated if you send me the number.
>
>Peter

It's 1-800-DISCOVE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: twu@a1 (Tong Wu)
Subject: Re: If you want to eat food you like, you must cook for yourself.
Organization: cems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:05:45 GMT

>1. Diane Salads
>   - Prepare half fresh head lettuce and cut it into thin strips
>   - Place a frying pan on stove with medium heat. When it's hot
>     put half an once sesami seeds into the pan and bake them until
>  (lines deleted)

I just thought that the description of the food items was amusing, 
given the author's previously displayed disgust with people with
inferior English skills.  Is it a head of lettuce that is only
half fresh or is it a half head of fresh lettuce?  Is it something
which USED to be "sesami" (as "once" suggests) or is it perhaps
1/2 ounce sesame (with an "e") seeds?

Though it is highly desirable for us to improve our collective
correctness in using the English language, shouldn't we be a bit
less harsh on each other?
-- 
___________________________________
| Tong Wu  (twu@csfsa.cs.umn.edu) |
| 224 Amundson Hall, U. of Minn. |
| Minneapolis, MN 55455           |
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27264 talk.politics.china:1746
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Subject: Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:26:57 GMT

In article <92288.233444XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>          The fact is that CG never has a concept of taxepayer.
>          CCP said the party gave you job, wage,house,
>          food, ... everything include your life.
>          Without CCP, without you.
>
>          I was wondering how chinese history lasted more than 5000
>          years w/o CCP.

The following was someone's (forgot whose) answer to the praise to
Dr. Johnny that "Tian1 bu4 sheng1 Zhong4ni2, wan4gu3 ru2 chang2ye4" (Had
not the Heaven created Dr. Johnny, it would be forever like dark
night):


"Guai4 de2 Xi1 Huang2 yi3shang4 sheng4ren2 jin4ri4 ran2 zhi3zhu2 er2
xing2." (Yeah, no wonder those sages like Emperor Xi and those before
him carried candles all day long. :-)

Lin Wei, wlin@u.washington.edu
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Don't get emotional when debating issues
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:18:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu


The arguments and rebuttals on this network have become more and more ugly.
Now people begin calling each other names in the debates. We should 
maintain some decency in our discussions no matter what the subject is.
The main problem with most of us is that everyone is ye4 lang2 zi4 da4 - 
i.e. thinking that he/she knows better or is more intelligent than the other.
What we need is some mutual respect towards each other.

Also I find that some of the netters are quite naive about American type of
democracy, and blindly believe that the checks and balances of power of
the three government branches are the ideal one for China to follow.
However, the longer you stay in America, the more you will find that things
are not good as you first thought. For example, in Los Angeles county alone,
every week, more than 10 people are killed, more than 10 bank robberies
occur. 

In short, we should not go to extremes when looking at the world around us.
Everything is relative to something else. Zhong1 yong1 zhi1 dao4 still
serves as a good reminder to us all.
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:21:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>English is the language of communication. 
>
>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.

There is a program in Unix called "spell" which can check spelling errors, hence
improve your literacy.


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