HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:08:56 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:

> In article <1992Sep8.012426.3393@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denn
> >The entire point of 10BaseT, and the other twisted pair systems, is that
> >they are supposed to meet FCC emissions specifications.
> 
> Note that there are TWO levels of FCC certification: A for the office, and th
> stricter B for the home (or do I have them reversed?).

You're right.

> I have been vainly trying to establish whether 10Base-T meets the stricter
> home specs. So far, several people think it doesn't, several people think it
> may, but no one knows for sure! Manufacturers are equally clueless. Does
> anyone have any facts, or know where I can find them, or have actual experien

Well.... It's not a matter or whether or not 10BaseT meets the Class B
spec, it's whether or not the specific components you get pass, and 
even using Class B approved equipment can result in emissions that
exceed the limits for your situation. Failing to ground the chassis of
a hub, for example, can cause it to radiate too much, while still 
working fine.

So far as I know, all networking stuff is designed for Class A. I'll
look at the stuff at work tomorrow, and see what it says. It's sort
of hard to make a case that Ethernet is in the same class as a Nintendo
or Radio Shlock Color Computer. (Yes, I know there are some people
putting networks into their homes; a few doesn't make it a consumer
trend.)

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: fiberglass shower panels to replace tile; any advice?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:50:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.215022.27862@matrix.com> srm@matrix.com (Steve Morris) writes:
>
>I need your experiences (use, installation, cleaning, etc) with
>fiberclass shower panels.

I've put in a couple of these. Both went in just like the instructions
said they should. The main problem is holding them in place while the
glue sets. This is best done by a system of 2x4s and wedges, applying
*very* light pressure to the top.

Measure the holes for the faucet and shower head four or five times. If
you screw this up, it's expensive.

Any good construction adhesive will do. Putting it on with a caulking
gun is the easiest method for application.

The main problem in the long term is that they are relatively delicate.
They look real good as long as the gel coat (the outside layer) stays
intact. This will be pretty much forever if you use only soaps to clean
the panels. This will be about a year or two if you use any type of
cleanser (yes, Bon Ami counts). So far, everyone I know who has one of
these has gotten impatient, convinced themselves that "it can't happen
to me", and wrecked the finish within five years.

patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: FLAT for SALE in Russia ( in Magadan )
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:53:07 GMT

>>In article <ABNQChgaH6@kenext.msk.su>,  daniel@kenext.msk.su (Finogenov Daniel Victorovich) writes...
>>>          Dear Sears.
>>>     I'm offer to you a flat for sale.

I suppose we can consider this the metric translation of

	"Distribution: world
	 Subject: House for sale in New Jersey"

:-)

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From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: wait to finish the deck?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:49:26 GMT

In article <4ZLPqB2w161w@cdthq.UUCP> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
>jkim@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jae HuKim) writes:

>It would seem to me that if you build it in the spring, and let it dry
>through the summer, then early fall would be the best time to finish
>it. Once the late fall/winter storms come, it'll get re-soaked, as it
>will during spring. And really, I think a couple of months would be
>adequate.

This hasn't been the case this year; it's been real wet around here.
Be that as it may, the lumber yards around here make their best deals
on deck lumber in the fall. They're trying to reduce their stock, of
course, but the ones I usually deal with can still fill an order in a
few days if they're out of stock, and the prices are 2/3 or less of
what they are in the spring.

As always, your mileage may vary.

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Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From:  daniel@kenext.msk.su (Finogenov Daniel Victorovich)
Subject: APARTMENTS in centre of Moscow for SALE - 205 square meters, 8 rooms
Keywords: flat, sale, russia, moscow
Reply-To: daniel@kenext.msk.su
Organization: KENEXT, Ltd
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 12:34:08 +0300

          Dear Sears.
     I'm offer to you a flat for sale.
     Location: centre of Magadan - the capital of Russian Nord - East ( near
        Alaska ).
     Brief:
        2 rooms, kitchen, toilet & bathroom, pantry.
     Further details ( particulars ) can be obtained on request.
     The price is 7900 $ and nothing more for cash.
     I'll be happy to discuss the matter with you.
                Yours faithfully Daniel Finogenov.

        E - mail:       daniel@kenext.msk.su       or
                        daniel%kenext.msk.su@relay.eu.net
                        daniel%kenext.msk.su@techno.fuug.fi

        FAX:            Russia 095-292-65-11 for "LAVINA box 1383"

        TLX:            411700 for "LAVINA box 1383"

        Phones:         095-150-88-52 from 09:00 a.m. till 02:00 p.m.
                        095-193-50-09 from 05:00 p.m. till 07:00 p.m.
                                (Greenwich time)
From: burton@misty.boeing.com (Brandy Burton-Tarantino)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: HELP-How to get builder to fix things?
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:49:18 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support


  How does one 'make' a builder (an EXTREMELY uncooperative builder) fix
  things in a house before the closing??  Is there ANY stick to beat them
  over the head with?  - Realtor is representing seller, FHA inspector
  won't speak to us (doesn't like to be bothered by the buyers evidently).

  HELP!  Final inspection is in 2 days.


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From: moh@cis.njit.edu (Jenlong)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Heating Service information needed
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:22:50 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

I just moved to my new purchased house.  It is a standard bi-level house.
There are two gas furnaces in our house.  One is 100,000 BTU for upstair
and the other 35,000 BTU for downstair.  Both are forced-air gas
furnaces.  During home inspection, the inspector told us that the bigger
one has a bad heat exchanger which needs to be replaced or fixed.  
We got $2,500 credit from the previous owner for this reason.  

Now, since the fall and then the winter is coming, I need to get it
either repaired or replaced.  I am also considering buying a new furnace
for installation.  The problem is I have no idea about which company or
individual gets good credits in this kind of service.  If you know any
good company or individual that you can recommand to me, please feel 
free to e-mail to me.   It's better to specify if they provide FREE
ESTIMATE or not.   I just want to get some rough idea and suggestion
before going over the yellow page and making decision.

- Joey
From: pallack@wsyd.com (James Pallack)
Sender: postmaster@wsyd.com.wsyd.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Security Alarms
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:19:00 -0500

bb >I think that you were misinformed, since the CO can't tell
bb >the difference
bb >between a cut phone line, and a phone that is just unplugged
bb >from the
bb >wall jack.  Imagine, if you unplug your phone because you

not sure about that.  If you have a telephone interface installed at your 
location.  It has testing circuts installed that the telco uses to test your 
line(s) from remote.  If it can't reach the testing circuts...It can presume 
line is down.  They have tested the line while I was on it also.

My second line was hit during the last storm and it's EXTREAMLY nosy.  After 
I called the auto-service number it tested and said so itself.

They could prob. have there system testing the lines on a regular basis.

this is just an opinion...  
 
 * Origin: We Serve Your Drives in Bristol, VT  (1:325/101)

Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Joke: Honey-Do lists
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:18:12 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <15840188@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> stringha@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Gary Stringham) writes:
 > When I was single, I did not have a wife (honey) to put things on my
 > list of things to do.  So I had to make the list.  And as such, I could
 > not call it my "honeydew" list.
 > 
 > So I was trying to think of what to call it.  I thought of "cantaloupe"
 > but that was no good because I "can't elope".  It was against my
 > beliefs.
 > 
 > So I came up with "watermelon" and added things to my "watermelon" list.

This weekend I was served a melon that was described as a cross
between a cantaloupe and a honeydew, and I first called it a
"cantadew" and then a "no-can-do" melon.  I think that's the most apt
name for my weekend project lists.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Electrical wiring for fixtures
Date: 12 Sep 1992 21:21:45 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Distribution: na
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

{Feed the ceiling, and run switch leg? 
 or
feed the switch, and run a switchED ?arm?}

An additional advantage of #2 is that you can install
a combination switch/outlet. As a charter member of the 
	There is NO such thing as too many outlets
club, this appeals to me ;-}

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From: house-archive@jester.rtp.dg.com (Topher Eliot)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,news.answers
Subject: misc.consumers.house FAQ (frequently asked questions)
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:00:11 GMT
Expires: 11 Oct 1992 04:00:03 GMT
Reply-To: house-archive@dg-rtp.dg.com
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Data General Corporation. RTP, NC.
Supersedes: <posting_715147204@dg-rtp.dg.com>

Archive-name: house-faq
Last-Modified: Wed Apr 22 10:30:32 EDT 1992

Welcome to misc.consumers.house.  Many of the questions that come up here,
quite possibly including yours, have been covered before.
A collection of discussions on various topics is available from the 
misc.consumers.house archive server.  To learn about the archive server, send
an empty piece of mail to:
	house-archive@dg-rtp.dg.com
(You should be able to just reply to this posting.)

If for some reason you have problems, send mail the address that you get by
substituting 'admin' for 'archive' in the above address.  (Why do I state
this in such an odd way, rather than just writing out the address?  I'm
tired of people carelessly sending mail to the wrong place!)
If you have to send mail to 'admin', be sure to include every conceivable
piece of information that I might need to reply to you, up to and including
a phone number where you will accept collect calls.  If the daemon can't
figure out how to get mail back to you, I probably won't be able to, either.

Topher Eliot             Data General DG/UX Systems Administration Development
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Obviously, I speak for myself, not for DG.
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: GFCI (circuit breakers)
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:40:18 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Sep8.134228.16167@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> leath@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Stephen Leath) writes:
>I just read a handout from CSA that mentioned GFCI circuit breakers
>to be used in breaker panels. Could these be used to protect non-grounded
>circuits in the same manner as GFCI outlets  protect downstream outlets?

Certainly.  But GFCI outlets are a lot cheaper.  You're going to see prices
of $80+ CDN for most GFCI breakers in this country.  At $10-$20, a single
GFCI outlet will often do the job just as well.  Ie: if the first device
that you want to ground-fault protect on the circuit is a receptacle,
use a GFCI outlet.
-- 
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From: drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve)
Subject: Re: suggested weapons (was: Killing burglars.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:11:00 GMT

In article <P63HqB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP>, gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes...
>drevik@utkvx4.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:
> 
>> In article <mwBeqB1w161w@cdthq.UUCP>, gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes...
>> 
>> Mr. Heston... can you read?  There must be > a dozen requests to
>> move this to rec.guns.  Thanks.
> 
>Yes, I can read. I've seen NINE other postings from you (arrived at
>this site today) wasting bandwidth. 

Umm.... again, I pose the question "can you read?"  My name appears
at ONLY ONE of the posts requesting that this discussion be moved.
The other eight are another poster.  Sorry if the fact that my request
happens to be the last one that you read.

>This is a newsgroup, not a bboard,
>and you obviously have no concept of how it works. 

That was unecessary.

>Was it necessary
>that you asininely include the entire text of a message, simply to
>monotonously repeat yourself? Just because you repeat yourself in
>the space of a few minutes does *not* mean everyone else has problems
>reading, nor that they'll see your drivel instantly. Article propagation

I apologize.... our news server software SUCKS and it can't be put
into a decent editor.  I have addressed our sysop / CC admin several
times about the matter.  I hope to see action in the future.  Until
then, I apologize for the repeated text.

>takes time. You'll probably get the email I sent you a few minutes
>ago long before you figure out how to read this group again. (Incidentally,
>email is the proper way of sending something to a specific individual,
>if you can grasp that concept.)

Again, unecessary.
> 
>I haven't been posting or crossposting to rec.guns for two simple
>reasons: that group doesn't come here or to my feed site, and the

Than just SAY SO!  That I understand.

>software I use won't allow me to post to groups I don't get. If an

See?  We both have software limitations.  Let's not assume that something
we see (repreated text, repeated postings)  is a personal fault...  If
you can't get to rec.guns, I FULLY SUPPORT keeping the discussion here...
you have the right to be heard, after all.


>article is crossposted to another group not on this site, I can't
>even follow up to it. And I don't have the source code to change 
>that.
> 
>The email was more polite. FYI, this is called a flame. Quit posting
>until you have some grasp of what's going on.

I think we now both have a grasp of each other's software situation.
My apologies are offered, and none are expected.

-steve
> 
>Gary Heston, at home....
>gary@cdthq.uucp
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 21:24:18 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:

> In article <wewJqB2w161w@cdthq.UUCP> gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes:
> 
> > The only 
> > circumstance in which I'd give them anything to send a copy of
> > whatever they've got on me is if they provided a *written* guarantee
> > that none of it would be entered into their files.
> 
> Don't be ridiculous!  If nothing else, the fact that you asked for
> a copy of your file will go into your file.

Why? If they laugh at the guarantee requirement, the most likely case,
then they've no reason to waste disc space on an entry like that; after
all, it has no effect on my credit rating (which must be ok, since my
VISA cards' limit took an unrequested $1000 jump this year). If they 
provide the guarantee, making an entry in the file would be a breach
of the guarantee.

Note: I haven't called them, and don't plan to.

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Short Env Tips  still available!
Date: 9 Sep 92 06:07:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Sep9.110748.2011
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Reannouncemnt:   I have available a file called "Short environmental Tips"
which contains  about 50-60 tips of things *you* can do to save the earth;
many are energy-saving things you can do around the house that will
save you money as well as helping the environment.

This file is about 300 lines (40 blocks) long; it is heavily, but not
exclusively, based on "50 Simple things You Can Do to Save the
Earth" available at bookstores or through EarthWorks Press #25,
1400 shattuck Ave, Berkeley CA 94709, United States of america.

If intrested, contact me (andrea Shettle) at:

Red_Trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu


Note:  "Short Env. Tips" is expressly *NOT* copyrighted! Distribute 
at will!  Crosspost in newsgroiups, mailing lists and bulletin board 
services; pass on to people you know, on the net and off; print out
a copy and donate to your local  or school library; use tips as
fillers in a publication you maintain; incorporate a tip or two  
into your sig file -- or anything else you can think of !
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Looking for a good dishwasher
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 00:56:32 GMT

nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:

>We're looking for a basic model dishwasher that will last
>as close to 30 years as our last one did.  Any suggestions?

Find a good wife?

MD
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Elec. Quest. Tapping into a ground?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:46:53 GMT
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Sep8.134925.17014@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> leath@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Stephen Leath) writes:
>I am installing fluorescent lights in my workshop. The existing light is on
>a non-grounded circuit and the new fixtures must be grounded. Can I tap into
>a nearby grounded circuit just for the ground?

The CEC doesn't like that.  Various odd faults could leave the fixtures live,
even tho the circuit the fixtures are on is switched off.  Since *really* need
the ground reference (some fluorescent fixtures won't operate without good
frame grounds), a ground from another circuit may not work the way you expect.

This is covered in the electrical FAQ.  In brief, the CEC allows you to:
	- run a wire to a nearby cold water pipe (if metal continuous
	  back to ground reference)
	- run an auxiliary wire back to the closest portion of that circuit
	  that has a ground.
	- run a wire back to the system ground.
	- if the wire is metal sheath, you can use that (but this
	  is discouraged) *if* it's bonded to ground properly.
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:44:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Garden hose
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house

I've had very good luck with the Flexogen brand of hose.  It's a multi-layer
hose and has an absurdly long guarantee.  I have one that is about 10 years
old, and it's still going strong.  The other two are 5 years old (or so)
and are in great shape.  It's plastic, with a vinyl (I think) sheath over
the inner hose.  It is heavy, however.

Pete Brooks

From: jkim@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Jae HuKim)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:39:12 GMT
Subject: wait to finish the deck?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house

when i bought lumber to build my deck, the guy at the lumber store 
(when i asked him) suggested that i wait a year after the deck is built 
before putting any kind of finish on it.

he said that when the wood dries, it will accept the stain/seal better
and we can go longer before having to refinish.

this makes sense to me, so i thought that i'd wait until next year before 
sanding the deck (redwood) and finishing it.

any comments?

jae kim,	jkim@hpbs585.boi.hp.com


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