HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: slbxk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Friendship Club
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:36:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Aug19.153637.58265
Organization: Utah State University



                   FRIENDSHIP CLUB

                   From the Editor
           -------------------------------


Dear friends,

     We are all far away from home, home town, home city, home
motherland. We each have the same dreams, dreaming about pursuing
a higher degree in education, accomplishing a wonderful task in
our own life, getting a satisfying job, climbing to a higher
class in life... But we feel lonely, terribly lonely, we need
friends, and love. Loneliness is like a killer, threatening us
every friday evening, saturday, sunday, holidays, even in daily
life. Why not let us gather together to get rid of loneliness, to
find ourselves companionship, to enjoy love or friendship! Let's
provide ourselves to the society and meet many people and choose
the one we want to be with, the one we love, but we have not met
yet.

     Good luck to all of you, dear friends!



                                       Editor


     P.S.

     For APPLICATION FORM please write to:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          --------------------------------------------
          |       FRIENDSHIP CLUB MEMBERSHIP         |
          |                                          |
          |               USU Box 1621               |
          |       Logan, UT   84322-0199  U.S.A.     |
          --------------------------------------------

     Or send inquiring by E-mail.
From: dsonnier@afit.af.mil (David L Sonnier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Latin Americans for Clinton?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:17:27 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

In article <16172@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>Latin Americans for Clinton
>
>As a Latin American American (heh heh) I would like to gloss a few reasons why 
>I will vote for Clinton in 92 limiting myself to his policy towards Latin 
>America.  It is my understanding that Clinton has the most progressive policy 
>twoards Latin America in recent history.  Presient Clinton will:
>
>1.-Continue with the embargo against the Cuban dictatorship and assure that 
>communism really comes to an end in the world.

Is this a joke?  After all the Democrats have done in the last 30 years
to insure the survival of communist tyranny?  This is the same party
that sat on the sidelines and jeered at those of us who dared to
confront communist expansion in the world, particularly in Latin
America.  So now you're going to reward them.  

>
>2.-Grant hatians a right to assylum and restore democracy in Haiti with the 
>help of the 7th fleet (to be used later in Cuba).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just because Field Marshall Wilhelm von Clinton deployed the Arkansas
national guard doesn't mean he is in the least bit qualified to be the
commander in chief.  (What was that for, anyway?  To quell an uprising
in Little Rock?)  His comments to date about the application of military
force reveal him to be dangerously incompentent in this regard.  Of
course, what would you expect from a draft-dodger, who has never had to
consider the personal price paid for foolish decisions by an incompetent
commander in chief. 

>
>3.-Grant Puerto Ricans the right to choose whatever status they wish (i.e., 
>statehood or non incorporated territory (Independence? Who wants it?)
>
>4.-Place under heavy scrutiny the "Free trade agreement" so that Mexico does 
>not become a toxic dump and the biggest sweathouse in the world.
>

You left one out.

5.  Increase government spending so that by 1996 the federal debt is
$25,000,000,000,000.00 instead of just $4,000,000,000,000.00.  

Congress (Check bouncers, middle-of-the-night-pay-raises, etc.) spends
money, not the president.  Congress opposed President Bush's balanced
budget amendment, as well as every other attempt to reduce federal 
spending.  And congress is controlled by Democrats.  They can't wait
to get their hands on a president who will go along with their tax-and-
spend philosophy of solving problems with "programs" instead of through
encouraging free enterprise.  


>So, on account of these small policy options I have decided to vote Democratic 
>in the next election.  Anybody join me?  Heh. Heh. Heh.
>
>Edelmiro Salas

Heh. Heh. Heh. 

No.

Dave
From: hernan@cc.gatech.edu (Hernan Astudillo R.)
Subject: Re: ?Puertorriquen~os con dos paises?
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:44:22 GMT

In article <16157@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>El govierno federal ha invertido sobre $150,000.00 en mi educacion por ser 
    ^^^^^^^^                             ^^^^^^^^^^
	Parece que el "gobierno" gasto "$150.000,00" por las puras...

--hernan
--			| "If the misery of our poor be caused not by laws of
Hernan Astudillo R.	|  nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin".
hernan@cc.gatech.edu	|		-- Charles Darwin,"Voyage of the Beagle"
College of Computing, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 / (404) 853-9390
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:02 PDT
Subject: Re: ?Puertorriquen~os con dos paises?
Nf-ID: #R:ucdavis.ucdavis.edu:16166:cdp:1473800284:000:240
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Aug 18 20:02:00 1992



Hector,

Bien dicho!

Estoy ya mas que un poquito atareado de las barbaries que Edelmiro expone
como hecho concreto. Bueno espero que hubiesen mas intercambios instructivos
como el previo.

Saludos,

David
Un Latino en la "manzana grande"
From: fajardo@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Jorge Fajardo)
Subject: Re: ?Puertorriquen~os con dos paises?
Organization: NEC America, Advanced Switching Laboratory
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:31:08 GMT


Edelmiro Salas escribe:
>                                                       ...  !!Tenemos dos 
>paises!!  Tenemos todos los derechos que conlleva la ciudadania norteamericana.
>Somos como cualquier otro ciudadano: no tenemos que preocuparnos por la migra;
>no tenemos que prostituirnos ni rendirle respeto a nuestro pais para conseguir
>una tarjeta verde; no tenemos que besarle las nalgas a los republicanos o a los
>democratas para que nos aprueben algun tratado; no tenemos que decir "mister" 
>para conseguir papeles; no tenemos siquiera que hablar ingles.

Edelmiro,

Pues dejame decirte que yo tampoco tengo que preocuparme de la migra ni
tuve que humillarme ante nadie para conseguir mi tarjeta verde. La
compa~ia para la cual trabajo me consiguio todos mis papeles a traves
de sus abogados en base al talento que he demostrado tener en mi
trabajo y durante mi desmpe~o en la universidad (en la cual me beco
una empresa Texana). El unico y actual trabajo que tengo es como 
ingeniero en computacion el cual me reporta beneficios economicos 
muy por encima de los que tu, Edelmiro, puedas aspirar en un momento dado
(nunca tuve que trabajar como "varillero" como tu, que aunque no
es una verguenza, si se puede evitar cuando se demuestra tener
preparacion academica y talento). 
Todos los beneficios que he obtenido (becas, trabajo) los he ganado
compitiendo en forma justa con todos los norte-americanos y extranjeros
radicados en EEUU (no aprovechandome de programitas para minorias
como tu).
Como podras ver, en los EEUU los beneficios los obtienen las personas
que demuestran tener talento y no los patanes como tu que creen tener
resuelta su vida por el hecho de tener ciudadania americana. :-) :-)

Saludos

Jorge

PD: !Si no tienes dinero en el banco, ponte a trabajar holgazan!
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Update on PANAMA
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:21:48 GMT

Hi world,
	 I would like to see some updates on the situation of Panama, not 
only within the country (any Panamanians out there?) but also as part of
the American Continent (I supposse you people are aware that America is a
continent not a country, Elementary Geography). I am myself a Panamanian
expatriate, read it "Panamanian in good status who for reasons of destiny
has found himself living/working abroad..." and over here I get no information 
about that little but GREAT country.

    Any (real) information is appreciated.
		  Thanks in advance,
				      Emilio Grimaldo

--
NAME:    D. Emilio Grimaldo T.                      _/_/_/_/                    
EMAIL:   grimaldo@tokyo.sce.philips.nl           _/_/_/                         
ADDRESS: PO Box 218,BE-540,5600 MD Eindhoven      _/_/_/_/                      
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     * * PERSONAL OPINIONS AND THEREFORE NOT REPRESENTING MY EMPLOYER * *
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Earth's largest project is also going wrong: humanity..." -me
"To love is to smell the fragance of a soul's inner beauty..." -me
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Mexico/Cuba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:32:02 GMT

 Lei en un periodico lo siguiente:

 
 ENTREGA MEXICO UN CUBANO QUE PIDIO ASILO
 
 El cubano Reynaldo Amador Espin~eira, fue deportado hacia Cuba por
 el gobierno de Mexico. Amador era un estudiante cubano que segun el
 funcionario de la diplomacia mexicana, - Javier Chagoya, "invalido'
 su visa mexicana al pedir asilo a funcionarios de las Naciones
 Unidas como perseguido politico".
 
 Nosotros consideramos que es un crimen deportar a Cuba a un cubano
 que pide asilo, especialmente cuando eso pasa en una nacion hermana. 
 

--
Ray I. Ravelo                 "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing.  Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                   from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Humanitarian, Cuba, Et Al.
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:23:35 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

n <1992Aug20.172040.25576@wam.umd.edu> Leopoldo Mercado writes:

>In article <16228@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>>years in the now defunct Soviet Union.  Communism, as Marx defined it, is a
>>classless society in which the producers of wealth (the working class) are in
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Interesting.
>In a classless society, a social class are in control.
>Kind of a contradiction, isn't it?

Yes, but since fortunately I don't abide by the marxist utopians that have 
ruled Cuba for 30 years I don't have to explain what the founding fathers of 
"real communism" had in mind.  Perhaps what they meant was something in likes 
of:  once the bourgeoise's control of the means of production are dissolved by 
the dictatorship of the proletariat classes (in the sense of collections of 
humans with a comon economic background) will cease to exists and only the 
workers will be left in control.  Everyone will thus be economically equal and 
there will be no need to CLASSify people in opposing groups.  In any event, 
this utopian dream has been used frequently by state capitalists to socialize 
poverty onto everyone but themselves.  A recent film depicts the stong 
parallels between state capitalists and national socialists.  I urge you to see 
it on video:  "The inner circle".  In the former Sovient Union there reached a 
point in which stalinists had decided that classes had been dissolved and that 
communism had been reached.  Fortunately, classes had not been dissolved and in 
a matter of decades the state had exploited the soviet people to the point at 
which productivity declined and a political upheaval followed.  What's 
intersting of Cuba, is that the state capitalist party sometimes say their 
communist, then with the bad name communism has in Latin America they say they 
are socialist, then with the fall of soviet "socialism" they say they are 
nationalism.  So who believes these guys anyway?  Does anybody take them 
seriously other than our Canadian friends who invest capital in their island?
>
Edelmiro
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: ** NECESITO CONTACTO EN MEXICO **
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:54:29 GMT
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury


Hola,


	(Perdoname, mi espan~ol...)

	Me gustaria hablar con una persona o unas personas que vive en
Mexico de su pais.  Ahora mi gobierno quiere un acuerdo entre nuestras
paises, pero en realidad, no conozco que tipa de vida existe alla'.

	Yo he visto la vista del gobierno de EEUU, y he visto la vista
de algunos amigos mios, y ahora, quiera saber las vistas suyas.


	Responda por email o la red, por favor.

	Gracias por todos!


David E. Nettles


****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Grumman Data Systems         Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   1000 Woodbury Road
   Woodbury, NY 11797
   MS D12/237
****************************************************************************

-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Grumman Data Systems         Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   1000 Woodbury Road              Phone: (516) 682-8464
From: ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Latin Americans for Clinton?
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:35:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


Latin Americans for Clinton

As a Latin American American (heh heh) I would like to gloss a few reasons why 
I will vote for Clinton in 92 limiting myself to his policy towards Latin 
America.  It is my understanding that Clinton has the most progressive policy 
twoards Latin America in recent history.  Presient Clinton will:

1.-Continue with the embargo against the Cuban dictatorship and assure that 
communism really comes to an end in the world.

2.-Grant hatians a right to assylum and restore democracy in Haiti with the 
help of the 7th fleet (to be used later in Cuba).

3.-Grant Puerto Ricans the right to choose whatever status they wish (i.e., 
statehood or non incorporated territory (Independence? Who wants it?)

4.-Place under heavy scrutiny the "Free trade agreement" so that Mexico does 
not become a toxic dump and the biggest sweathouse in the world.

So, on account of these small policy options I have decided to vote Democratic 
in the next election.  Anybody join me?  Heh. Heh. Heh.

Edelmiro Salas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.spain
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Humanitarian, Cuba, Et Al.
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:49:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In <1473800286@igc.apc.org>David Sangurima writes:

>Hooray for CANADA!
>The US would benefit much if it learned a thing or two from its more
>humane neighbor to the North. 

From recent postings it seems that not all Canadians are as "humane" (i.e., 
pro Cuban dictarorship) as you wish.

>After all they do have a national health plan
>that works. (Only the US and South Africa are the industrialized countries
>without a health plan, what good company huh ;-)  

Yeah, and if they need an open heart surguery or have a brain tumor, they have 
to wait four months to get help.  If you want to learn about the "marvels" of 
the Canadian system, ask their wealthy, and see where they get the tough jobs 
done and ask former Surgeon General Koop for the weaknesses of their system..  
In any event, I am for a national health plan a la Clinton,  and I don't  see  
what this has to do with defending Mr. Castro, a self proclaimed "communist" 
whoincarcerates HIV infected people in jail.  So what "humanitarian" people 
like you have to do is simply denounce this publicly and well see how we gan go 
on talking about Cuban medicine from there on.

Finally David, I'm certain you're not a Communist, the last communists on this 
continent are out of power in all places but Cuba, where the "Cuban Communist 
Party" rules.  Howver, I'm not so sure you are anti fascist, for I have not 
known a single fascist who has written someting against Castro on this net.  I 
you really don't know something about the meaning of "fascism" please learn 
about it before using it.  In fact, the only facists I've talked about on this 
group, has been none other that your jesuit educated admirer of Mussolini, 
Fidel Castro, who in recent days amended his Constitution so that it be 
simmultaneously "nationalist" and "socialist".  And it happens to be that your 
one line posts and 400 line reposts all but do is ignore the human rights 
violations of these real "communists".  So I would suggest you put some more 
meat into your defense of Castro and end the lip service to those who have 
really argued (albeit disastrously) on substance.

Edelmiro

"And no I'm not a [Facista, David]:-( ... just a Latino with
a penchant for questioning authority and an anti-[comunista].
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:34 PDT
Subject: Re: Humanitarian, Cuba, Et Al.
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug18.112826.1@husky1.stmary:1418480912:cdp:1473800283:000:242
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Aug 18 17:34:00 1992



Marcus,

You are like a breath of fresh air in this newsgroup.  You state your case
well while Edelmiro's tired (and ahistorical, I might add) rantings are all
too common in the arrogant and increasingly war mongering USA.

In Peace,

David
From: torres@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca ( mario  torres )
Subject: Re: ?Puertorriquen~os con dos paises?
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 06:48:36 GMT

Querido Edelmiro:
                Espero que tu no creas que tu aporte a las discusiones de la redsean constructivas. Tus comentarios, tergiversaciones, exageraciones, falacias ydiscusiones seudo-academicas(si! eso mismo!) no tienen nada de substancioso. Y
te lo digo por que al leer tus articulos mi primera reaccion es la colera al pensar que alguien como tu, supuestamente educado, tenga tales puntos de vista que
demuestran un fanatismo ciego y arrogante. Me pregunto que te permitte a ti
el autoproclamarte representante de los puertoriquen~os?. Personas como tu
con puntos de vista super estrechos y que creen impresionar con atribuirse
a si mismo cualidades que obviamente no poseen, debrian de abstenerse de se-
guir poniendo articulos por que lo unico que hacen es malgastar los recursos
de esta red. Antes de escribir esto habia decido que no valia la pena contestarte, pero temia que al no contestar tu tuvieras la falsa impresion que estas en 
lo correcto. El comentario que le haces a un compan~ero de Boston sobre lo
inteligente de sus argumentos son quizas lo unico en que estoy de acuerdo
contigo, pero conste que si te hubiera leido sin antes haber leido el con-
tenido del articulo de nuestro compan~ero, no te hubiera creido. Tu opi-
nion por si sola no es digna de mi confianza(Ya se que tu diras que te im-
porta un pepino!!). Los argumentos que te presentan todos los compan~eros
son muy validos y tu no haces mas que agarrar por otro rumbo al contestarles.
Finalmente, no te molestes en seguirnos dando mas de tu basura, guardala para
ti o reciclala asi estaras contribuyendo a una red libre de polucion!.
PS: No sabia que tu tuvieras tanto peso como para hacer que tu representante
inicie una investigacion sobre los abusos de la CIA en Centro America????
Jajajajajajajaja!!!......Nos haces reir!!!
q


A

C
e
From: Greenpeace -- DC <wastetrade@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:51 PDT
Subject: waste trade rumor
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473800242:000:1005
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!wastetrade    Aug 12 13:51:00 1992



ATTENTION-Waste Trade Rumor

The Greenpeace Toxic Trade Campaign has been receiving reports of
a ship named the Portland carrying 40,000 tons of U.S. toxic and
radioactive  waste and looking for a country to accept these
wastes. As far as we know, these reports are FALSE.

Greenpeace has been named as the source of information on this
scheme. We are not the source of this information, but we have
responded to information we have received from other sources. 

We received two reports (one phone call and one IPS news story)
regarding this ship lurking off the coast of Colombia after being
rejected from Nigeria nad Venezuela. According to these reports,
the source of these wastes was from a New York-based company
named Environmental Development Corp. EDC is involved in a plan
to ship sewage sludge to Argentina but denies involvement in this
scheme. THE SHIP THE PORTLAND DOES NOT EXIST.

As far as we know, to date EDC has not exported any wastes to
anywhere and these reports are false rumors.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: medalla@athena.mit.edu Jose F. Otero
Subject: Re:Mexico-Cuba
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:15:46 GMT

En su mensaje a Jorge Edelmiro escribe que "como puertorriquen~o siempre he querido mucho a 
mi "pais" (los Estados Unidos de Norteamerica).
Quiero aclarar que esta afeccion que el siento hacia USA es un fenomeno
individual de su persona. Pues que yo sepa el pais de los boricuas es Puerto
Rico. ya una vez alguien dijo: "Aquel que se abochorna de su origen no vale nada
porque terminara despreciandose a si mismo."

Jose
From: ez007856@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Latin Americans for Clinton?
Keywords: VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:36:53 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In <l919hkINNknu@alcor.usc.edu> Ron Echevarri asks:

>Er, who is the U.S. government to grant P.R. anything?  Is P.R. part of the
>U.S.?  I'm a little unclear on this.  Is P.R. like Guam?

Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., it is considered as a "non incorporated 
territory".  What this means is basically: the citizens of this territory do 
not have political sovereignty and are place under the jurisdiction of the 
Congress of the United States.  Therefore, if Puerto Rico's government wishes 
to "incoporate" itself to the U.S., or declare its sovereignty, it must ask the 
sovereign (Congress) for such a right.

In any event its happy to now that Mr. Clinton's progressive foreign policy 
has our support.


Edelmiro Salas
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:04 PDT
Subject: Re: Humanitarian, Cuba, Et Al.
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug18.112826.1@husky1.stmary:1418480912:cdp:1473800286:000:450
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Aug 20 07:04:00 1992



Hooray for CANADA!

The US would benefit much if it learned a thing or two from its more
humane neighbor to the North. After all they do have a national health plan
that works. (Only the US and South Africa are the industrialized countries
without a health plan, what good company huh ;-) )

And no I'm not a comunista, Edelmiro and Ray :-( ... just a Latino with
a penchant for questioning authority and an anti-fascist. 

Hasta la proxima,

David
From: David Sangurima <sangu@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:44 PDT
Subject: Re: NEWS: CIA Trial Reveals Little,
Nf-ID: #R:jabba.713603890@deathstar:2143424219:cdp:1473800243:000:257
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sangu    Aug 12 19:44:00 1992



Rich,

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Perhaps the readers will "get a clue" if you explain to us in less
insulting ways.

I'm new to USENET and am aware now that opinions may have no place in
YOUR newsgroup.

En paz,

A latino in Nueva York - David
From: fajardo@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Jorge Fajardo)
Subject: Re: Mexico/Cuba
Organization: NEC America, Advanced Switching Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:36:23 GMT

Edelmiro Salas escribe:
>                                                                    ...  Is it 
> that Bush is taking a mordida from Mexican oligarchs? ...
>

!Que risa!  ?Mexico comprando al gobierno de Estados Unidos?
!Me parece que estas hablando a lo PENDEJO Edelmiro! Deberias
de tenerte un poco de respeto a ti mismo y al pais donde estas
viviendo ...  :-)

Saludos aclaratorios (digo, por lo de las pendejadas)

Jorge