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From: chenry@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (catherine.b.henry)
Subject: WDW Packages
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:18:26 GMT

Greetings, All!  I appeal yet once again to the mass wisdom of the net
(thanks to one and all for the onslaught of messages I received on my last
post to this news group).

I need help.

My family -husband, 4 year old, 7 year old- and I are going to attempt WDW
next August.  (Ja, I know the weather is the pits but we can't take them out
of school without causing problems.  But I digress.)

Here's  the REAL problem: where to find the best package deal?

We have looked at Delta, WDW Travel Company, miscellaneous travel company
offers, Magic Kingdom discounts, American Express, stock holder options, you
name it. Today I heard a new one: if you have an annual pass, you can get as
much as 50% off of the published room rates for the WDW resorts (is this true?).
It's so much I almost thought about trying to throw the options into a linear
program to see what would pop out!
 
I found that there are at least another dozen options that we have not yet
looked into.  My head is spinning.

Has *ANYBODY* out there gone through this before and can make any recommendations? 

We are not likely to need meals or airfare roundtrip (we were thinking of taking
the train one way and the plane back.  Ja, it is more expensive, but my husband
and son are train buffs and wanted to try it once)

Please email me direct.
I will be happy to send summaries to anyone who would like them.

Thanks for saving my sanity, what little there is left!

/Cath

cbnewsi!hogpa!chenry
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: BatB WIP Laserdisk Release Date
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:25:59 EST

   For whatever it's worth, our neighborhood video store started taking
pre-orders for Beauty and the Beast Work-in-Progress Laserdisk (CAV Letterbox)
, and they claim that the release date is Nov. 24.  The price is $39.95
If anyone has updated information on this release, or if the release date
for the completed version has been moved up from Sept. 1993, I'd appreciate
either a post or e-mail.
             Junsok Yang
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: jpark@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: B&TB, LM, and other cards for sale
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:48:12 PST

I have the following cards for sale (Note: all cards are in M/NM condition):

Disney Collector cards
- 210 card set
- 24 Ultrapro Platinum 9 pocket sheet protectors
- $10 plus s&h
- Fantasia Hologram available, write for details

Little Mermaid cards
- 90 card regular card set
- 10 UltraPro platinum 9 pocket sheet protectors
- $9 plus s&h
- 30 activity cards (15 pop-up and 15 coloring cards) $2 extra
- 7 stickers $3 extra

Beauty and the Beast cards
- complete 95 card set which includes:
  - 75 story cards
  - 10 magic mirror cards
  - 10 color-in cards
- 11 Ultrapro platinum 9 pocket sheet protectors
- $12 plus s&h

Fievel Goes West cards 
- complete 150 regular card set
- 17 Ultrapro platinum 9 pocket sheet protectors
- $8 plus s&h
- 5 hologram set $10 extra

Add $4 shipping and handling for the first set and $0.50 for each additional
set.  All the cards will be mailed in the sheet protectors and in padded 
envelopes.  E-mail me if you are interested.
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: B&tB
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:28:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov6.144018.16073@news.ysu.edu> ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis) writes:
>
>I think Walt Disney once said that kids love to be scared.
[text deleted, but the splice is almost grammatically correct!]
>scared, as long as it is done in the right way.  I think Disney
>knows the right way.
>
>-Carl
> 

The right way, I think, is not to scare kids out of their wits and
just leave them there.  Beauty and the Beast, for example, has humor
carefully inserted to break up the dramatic/scary/sad scenes.  This
is supposed to be an enjoyable movie, not a depressing one, and IMHO
Disney provides a good blend.  The gags really don't seem to lessen
the impact of a dramatic scene at all, but they help keep the movie
in balance.  Either that, or BatB is incurably manic depressant. :-)

In virtually all versions of the French fairy tale, the Beast
attempts suicide (usually by starvation).  Disney removed this
discomforting subject and added Gaston.  Is this sanitizing?  Maybe.
But the result was great!  There are many more examples of Disney's
careful (seems like it) story-tinkering.  BatB is probably their
very best adaptation.  BTW, I make that last statement knowing about
most, if not all of their influences (Cocteau, Lang, etc).


- Robert Cook
From: cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:51:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <9NOV199220490719@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> e49115611@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN) writes:
>
>     If I remember right, both of the beasts feet (hind paws?) were firmly
>planted on the ascending rooftop. Thus, almost all of the beast's weight
>was being supported along the vertical axis.  That which was not was causing
>him to gain a rotational accelaration along the horizontal axis. Belle needed
>only to apply a minimal force near the top of the Beast's body to create a 
>torque large enough to counteract the slight horizontal component of the
>gravitational acceleration and return the Beast to an equilibrium position
>where his balance can be retained. If you need to know more, take a Physics
>course :->

I don't think that most of the Beast's weight was on the vertical
axis.  He was weakened, stricken with pain, flailing his arms, and
leaning *way* out.  Belle barely had a grip on him.  Pretending that
this is all real for a moment, the Beast would probably weigh about 500
pounds or more.  My earlier estimate of 300 was way too light.  Look
at the size of his torso!  If you want to apply physics, you've
got to have the numbers--even if they are only estimates.  If he
leaned out _only_ 30 degrees (I've got to view the tape again), Belle
would _only_ have to support * 250+ * pounds, without bracing herself
very much, I might add.  She'd have to be a *lot* stronger and
probably heavier than she looks.  Oh, and I've done very well in
physics courses, thank you. :-)

Enough about that.  Forgive me if this has been mentioned before,
but I don't think that Belle had very much to eat during her dinner
(the Be Our Guest number).  She tried a little of the "grey stuff"
and a few other toppings, but that's all.  Perhaps the lyrics
should have included:

Now your stomach is contracting
While the dinnerware's distracting!


- Robert Cook
From: bingle@cs.purdue.edu (Richard Bingle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:07:54 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: denali.cs.purdue.edu

In article <40880@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.222656.10049@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
> >The listed "inconsistencies" aren't inconsistencies.  They are
> >instances of differences between the way our reality works and the way
> >reality works in BatB-world.
> >
> That's a good point, which is true to a certain extent.  Remember
> that BatB is classical (very) Disney feature.  What would the
> audience think if Belle tried to drive a nail and the hammer bounced
> back and severely dented her head?  That'd be okay for Lefou, or
> even Sebastian, but not for Belle. 
> 
> - Robert Cook

There was an obvious attempt at typical cartoon humor when LeFou has the horn
shoved onto his head by Gaston and you see LeFou's lips sticking out of the
mouthpiece to talk.  Actually, I thought that that detracted from the 
"feel" of the movie.

Richard Bingle                                      bingle@cs.purdue.edu
Computer Science Department                                purdue!bingle
Purdue University                                         (317) 494-0893
West Lafayette, IN 47907

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Aladdin song question (was Re: Question for Denise)
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:16:09 GMT

Denise Apple Lady Lockner (mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:

> >>"Life is your restaurant,
> >>And I'M YOUR MAITRE' D!!
> >>Tell me what it is you want,
> >>You ain't NEVER had a friend like me!!"  -Genie


>    when I first heard the "Aladdin" soundtrack in August, that was the first
>  comment out of my mouth...that "Friend Like Me" sounded JUST LIKE the "Feed
>   Me" song (I wasn't aware that Ashman/Menken had done the music for "Little
>  Shop", please excuse my ignorance).  I'm not sure if Ashman did the lyrics
> for "Friend LIke Me," but I wouldn't be surprised.
> 
> -Denise
> *********

Excellent observations except that "GIT IT!" (a.k.a. Feed Me) is in more of a
50's-60's gospel rock style while "FRIEND LIKE ME" (yes, lyrics by Ashman)
has music closer to the Cab Calloway jazz of the 30's.  Lyrically, very
similar ideas are expressed, except that the Genie isn't motivated by a
craving for blood and Audrey II is.  Of course, everyone knows that Ashman
and Menken wrote "Little Shop".  You'd have to have been on a another planet
not to know that.... :-) :-) :-)  (a few extra smilies for good measure)

		From "GIT IT!":

		I'm your *genie*, I'm your friend,
		I'm your willing slave.
		Take a chance.  Just feed me.  And
		You know the kinda eats,
		The kinda red hot treats,
		The kinda sticky, licky sweets I crave!!

	--Ala"ddi"n
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: Aladdin CD Release?
Keywords: trivia
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:00:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.070331.1891@athena.mit.edu> awmin@athena.mit.edu (Art Min) writes:
>Do we have a date to the release of the Aladdin soundtrack?
>
>If not, could the first lucky person to get it in the store,
>please post to this newsgroup, so we can all mob the stores and
>buy this CD.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Art 
>awmin@athena.mit.edu

I bought it at the mall on Saturday (November 7)..It was $16.99
though.. I guess I couldn't wait. This was in Ames, Iowa.



Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: BatB Tape/Aladdin Trailer
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:09:41 GMT

atzachar@unix.amherst.edu  writes:
> Brad Barton (brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org) wrote:
> > There is an Aladdin trailer at the beginning of the BatB tape. It's the first
> > time I have seen it, and I was very impressed (so much so that I rewound the
> > tape after BatB finished and watched it again).  I didn't realize that Robin
> > Williams was doing the voice for the Genie.. what other actors are featured
> > in Aladdin?
> 	Aside from Robin Williams as the hysterically funny, transmogrifying
> genie, the other voices (most of which are unknowns) are:
> 
> 		Scott Weinger (speaking voice of Aladdin)
> 		Linda Larkin  (speaking voice of Princess Jasmine)
> 		Jonathan Freeman (Jafar, the evil Vizier)
> 	        Comedian Gilbert Gottfried (Yago, Jafar's parrot)
> 		Douglas Searle (the Sultan)
> 		Frank Welker (Abu, Aladdin monkey buddy)
> 		Brad Caine (singing voice of Aladdin)
> 	    and Lea Salonga of "Miss Saigon" fame (singing voice of Jasmine)
> 
	Frank Welker is currently the voice of Gogo Dodo on Tiny Toon 
Adventures, and also did the voice of Frank (?) on Scooby Doo.  It's nice to
see Disney using voice actors and not just actors with voices.
	Amazing.  I wonder what heart attacks Eisner had when Gottfried hosted
the Emmy Awards a few years ago?  (GG did a monologue on Pee Wee Herman's 
arrest, and basically stated that he, GG, would probably get the chair for
doing the same thing.)

	Torsten at Omaha
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: ajmiller@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Arkayn)
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:37:27 GMT

In <1d6u12INNesq@aludra.usc.edu> rsteele@aludra.usc.edu (Richard Steele) writes:

>>I agree wholeheartedly.  Pornography in any form or in any place is detestable>according to my humble Christian knowledge, but rec.arts.disney is one place
>>that it is even more recognizably so.  I quickly pressed the n key when I
>>realized the obscene nature of that post (after only a very few lines), since
>>I am trying to "set before my eyes no vile thing."  I hope others did also.

>You know Don, in the United States we have such a thing as the right to free 
>speech reguardless of content.  There have been times and places where people 
>censored what could and couldn't be said in the name of ritiousness,
>Nazi Germany and the U.S.S.R. under Stalin for instence.
>Just thought you might be a little out of touch with the times is all.

You know, Richard, in the US there is also such a thing as responsibility and
good taste, although they are getting harder to find. As one of the last
bastions of good taste, Disney should not be subjected to assaults such as this

This filth has no place on this newsgroup.
--
"How dare they demand merit in return for a raise?!!" Modern Educators Magazine
"What? Lie? Me? The truth is FAR too much fun!" -- James Hook
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
Andy Miller   ajmiller@sage.cc.purdue.edu	ajmiller@ecn.purdue.edu
From: jem@edsr.eds.com (John E. Mendenhall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:42:13 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Dallas, TX 75230

When we got the tape, and watched BatB, we noticed that the falling petals
scenes were not there.  My wife and I both seem to recall in the theater
that the rose, with it's falling petals were prominent scenes that
increased the urgency of the Beast and Belle falling in love.  In watching
the video, we do not seem to to recall any of those "urgency" scenes.

[Now, that may have been because we have a little baby now and he takes
us away from the TV.]

Does anybody else notice a discrepency here?

John Mendenhall
____________________________________________________________________________

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Electronic Data Systems     7223 Forest Lane MS R&D        Dallas, TX  75230
EMail: jem@edsr.eds.com     Office: (214) 661-6058      Home: (214) 517-3410
____________________________________________________________________________
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: DowJones@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Norelco To Bring Back `Santa Claus' Razor Ad
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:05:25 -0500 

  

  Santa Claus returns to the slopes, sledding over snowy moguls on his
Norelco razor "with the floating heads," in a new version of the familiar
holiday spot from D'Arcy Masius Benton & Bowles, New York, The Wall Street
Journal reported.  

  Norelco, a unit of Philips Electronics N.V., is using computer animation
to revive the old "Norelco Santa" spot, which was made in 1961 using
a doll and stop-motion filming and went on to appear every year for the
next 25 years. The new spot breaks during Thanksgiving Day telecasts.
From: CLINDSAY@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Is Beauty and the Beast suitable for 4 year old?
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:55:29 GMT

while not a classic Disney feature, I thought I'd mention that my nearly
three year old daughter hates the scene in Roger Rabbit where the detective
is kidnapped to Toon Town and gets a pig's head on him (against his will).
She now insists on fast-forwarding from the scene where Eddie Valiant does
the break-in (which results in the kidnapping) until the nasty pighead is
all gone.  Not sure why she hates it so much, and she is generally fearless,
but there it is.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: hansb@cs.ruu.nl (Hans Bodlaender)
Subject: Re: Is Beauty and the Beast suitable for 4 year old?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:16:55 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <1992Nov9.053208.7868@news.unomaha.edu> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:

>The two scariest parts from Disney movies are:
>	Night on Bald Mountain (my favorite piece of Disney animation)
>	The witch transformation in Snow White (I saw it when I was six, and
>		this is about as psychedelic as Disney gets)
>
>	Also, what about the Death of Bambi's mother?
>	the car chase in Damatians?
>	the dragon fight in Sleeping Beauty?
>	
>I would not be surprised if Disney screened any plot elements before animating.
>
>Torsten at Omaha	Would love to get the psychedelic Fantasia movie poster
>
>
Other real scary parts are:

- the beginning of the great mouse detective
- some parts of the black cauldron (walking skeletons)
- the whale in Pinoccio (my daughter refuses to see the last part of the
Pinoccio movie)
- the scene in Snow White with the witch on the mountain

By the way, everybody many thanks for the answer to my query.

                                         Hans Bodlaender

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: bandy@ccs.northeastern.edu (Bandy Chin)
Subject: Little Mermaid
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:18:48 GMT

Does anybody out there know where I can purchase a copy of Little Mermaid.
I've been meaning to get a copy ever since it first came out but now they are
non existent....HELP!

Bandy
From: jrowliso@ub.d.umn.edu (Jon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Prince Eric in TLM TV series **SPOILERS**
Date: 9 Nov 1992 08:31:38 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu
Keywords: Corporate, Lounge, EPCOT, Exxon, Universe of Energy, Air

I was blown away!  I was wondering since this series started... "Are they
going to keep the tv show completely seperate from the movie?"  Well, in the
last episode they showed Ariel swim up to the surface to find out information
about the function of the "thing-a-magig" that we call a boot.  They showed
Prince Eric jump into the water with a knife to cut a dolphin free and they
get back out.  Ariel saw him and said something like, "Not all humans are
evil!  Oh, if only I could only see his face."

He got back out of the water again and walked off.  Ariel took the boots he
had thrown into the water since the water had 'ruined them' and brought them
back to the kingdom.  At that point she started her human "treasure cave"
that her father blew up in the movie.

I'm glad to see the Disney animators working on getting a bit of consistency
in the series compared to the movie.  The only thing that remains now is
Scuttle and Ursula.
						jrowliso@ub.d.umn.edu
						disney watcher, not fanatic

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: parrinel@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Chris Parrinello)
Subject: Spring Vac and Disney Passports... 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:21:59 GMT


A few friends and I would like to visit DisneyWorld during spring break.
The problem is that we will only be there a week and probably won't 
use all of a four day pass (not to mention afford it!)... do they 
still offer 3 day passes perhaps through the Magic Kingdom Club? Also
does anybody have information on WDW passport brokers in Orland that
buy and sell partially used passes? Does anybody know if this is legal? 

Thanks in advance... 

Chris
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Be Our Guest parody
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:01:35 GMT

In <1dcq2uINNnur@bigboote.WPI.EDU> dfarley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donald L Farley) writes:

>OUGHT, not the power to do what you want.  I have seen much 
>evidence that pornography is harmful, destructive, and deceiving.  
>It is an abuse of freedom of speech and it OUGHT not to be 
>propagated.  Pornography is wrong - period.  

I'm sure a lot of people would disagree, but pornography isn't harmful in an
absolute way.  It has the *potential* to be harmful, depending on how the
person interprets it.  When I view pornography (which I almost never do mind
you), all it does is make me laugh.  Did reading the "Be Our Guest" parody
do anything harmful and destructive to you?

So pornography is wrong becuase it has the potential to be harmful.  So does
cable TV.  So does a lot of other things.  Why not just ban them all?

>And here I must get 
>"religious" if I am to tell you the reason for this statement.  
>It's wrong not because I say it's wrong, it's wrong because God 
>says so.  He makes this very clear in His Word which is never 
>"out of touch with the times" but is everlasting and just as much 
>true now as it was thousands of years ago.  This knowledge that 
>pornography is wrong didn't come from me, it comes from Him and I 
>believe His truth. 

Too bad not everyone else believes His truth.  That makes your argument
completely invalid.  If you believe that stuff like the "Be Our Guest"
parody shouldn't be allowed here, fine.  I don't think you have the right
to force your morals down others' throats.


*        *      *     *     *    *   *  *  * * ** ** *** **** ****** *********
   ()_()    Jesse Chang  (Sir Prize!!!)   INTERNET:  uslave@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu *
    (_)               "Faint hearts never won fair maidens."   -- Robin Hood *
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast inconsistencies...
From: e49115611@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:49 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <40809@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, cs64fad@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes... 
>But I still don't believe that she could have prevented his fall
>from the balcony.  The guy must weigh at LEAST 300 pounds (no,
>probably much more if he were real).  At first, I thought he would
>continue to hold on with his left paw, but instead his arms were
>actually flailing.
> 

     If I remember right, both of the beasts feet (hind paws?) were firmly
planted on the ascending rooftop. Thus, almost all of the beast's weight
was being supported along the vertical axis.  That which was not was causing
him to gain a rotational accelaration along the horizontal axis. Belle needed
only to apply a minimal force near the top of the Beast's body to create a 
torque large enough to counteract the slight horizontal component of the
gravitational acceleration and return the Beast to an equilibrium position
where his balance can be retained. If you need to know more, take a Physics
course :->
						()_()  Jeff Ehrman
						 (_)   Official Disney fanatic,
						  |    cast member, and
						 |     Toon Physics proffessor.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: ALLADIN TO BE RELEASED EARLY!?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:31:36 GMT

Sorry, pal.  Wednesday, November 25th, unless you're in L.A. or N.Y.

	--Ala"ddi"n
From: by24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin S. Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: FAQ where?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:21:06 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Where are the FAQ's?

Ben Savgaeley
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: ALLADIN TO BE RELEASED EARLY!?
From: e49115611@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (EHRMAN, JEFFREY ALAN)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:54 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I was just watching T.V. and a Little Mermaid/Beauty&Beast/Alladin preview
came on announcing that Alladin was coming Saturday November 14! Was I
dreaming or is it really true?

 						()_() Jeff Ehrman
						 (_) Official Disney fanatic,
					          |  cast member, and "So
						   | much more then they've
						     got planned"