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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: re: incarceration
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:09:55 GMT

I received the following from Rebecca Cornelius, who is currently using
Fiona's account.  Rebecca doesn't have access to a news reader and asked
me to post this for you.

So, send your replies to her but not to me.  Thanks.

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   From fwilkes@mihi.une.edu.au Tue Oct 13 01:02:02 1992
   From: "Fiona J. Wilkes  a.k.a. GIRLIE SWOT" <fwilkes@mihi.une.edu.au>
   Message-Id: <199210130752.AA04189@mihi.une.edu.au>
   Subject: re: incarceration
   To: underdog@leland.stanford.edu
   Status: R

   Dwight, 
	could you please send this to the newsgroup for me, I tried the method
	you suggested and it didn't work. I think that the superusers of the
	system (ie those that control it) found some way of preventing us 
	sending stuff out as it was costing the uni a fortune in phone bills.
	
	In reference to Allen's question about local area's of the brain
	in regards to hat pins/railway spikes/fences etc. I had heard about
	the railway spike, it went though the frontal part of the brain and
	changed the guys character but that was about it. Our lecturer also
	told us about a guy who was taken to hospital after he had tried to
	commit suicide by shooting himself in the head. The surgeon found
	two other bullets in the frontal lobe if his brain where he'd tried
	and failed previously. So just remember, don't put the gun near the
	front of your head, it doesn't work!
	Bec
	c/o Dwight Joe.
		
	Thanks Dwight, hopefully I'll get to see it in the newsgroup 'cause
	i missed the poem.

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From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject:  *__*
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:16:35 GMT




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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Saint Joan of Arc)
Subject: Re: Fork in the Road: Binary Decisions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:13:41 GMT

HEY! You forgot me, Euclid!  Don't i count?  
    
Euclid: Sorry 'bout that Joan. Slight oversight.  

St. Joan: o.k.     
--
St. Joan of Arc ,euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
Hold fast to the center --Tao Te Ching
From: Psycho Kitten
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Killing...
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:59:28 GMT
Organization: Eternal Order of Chaos
Originator: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu


	...only a little more time to kill...

	I wonder just how much of a freak I am at times... Around here
(Univ. of Delaware) I seem quite unusual.  I know I was a freak
in my old home town (being the only one who wore black and blue
lipstick to school and still grad in the top of my class).  I wish
there was an ASHer here to chat with... while the net is nice, it's
hard to type and be on the way to class at the same time.  When I
start acting like myself (ie drop my sweet innocent student facade), I
scare most people.  Like David, I'll make some comment that I
think is a cute joke and people look at me as if I'd just grown
an extra eye in my head.

	While I can contact my net cohorts from anywhere with a phone
and a modem, I do miss having someone to do things with (even if it's
just a friendly chat about the finer points of distilling plant toxins
over lunch).  It is wonderful to talk with people I'd never otherwise
meet around the globe.  Without the net, my phone bill would be more
than my monthly rent...

	I have a question for ASHers...

	I've had my work on the methods file on hold for the past 
few weeks.  I was wondering just how much of a demand there is for it.
Currently, I'm caught up in papers and exams, so I don't want to 
get too involved in the methods file for the next two weeks.  Is
it worth my time to rewrite (and research) the methods file?  Does
anyone have any legal info about posting something like the methods file?
I have some trouble writing it since I think more in terms of homicide
than suicide when it comes down to technical details.  I don't want
to send out anything that will cause homicides (that might otherwise
not occur)...

	My time is up for now... now to trudge through the rest of
this day...

	TBC...

	Psycho Kitten


	      
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Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe
Xref: sparky alt.suicide.holiday:2246 alt.finals.suicide:9
From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.finals.suicide
Subject: Re: Old fogeys
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:40:06 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

A 1989 arrival makes one an old fogey?  So, does anyone else here remember
net.suicide?

Monica
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Please Help
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:50:46 GMT
Organization: HP Western Response Center


              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
Female             [ ]

6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
19 to 65           [ ]
Over 65            [ ]

7.) What religion are you?
Protestant         [ ]
Catholic           [ ]
Jewish             [ ]
Other              [ ]

8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
Democratic         [ ]
Republican         [ ]
Other              [ ]

9.) How many years of education have you completed?
Grade School       [ ]
High School        [ ]
College            [ ]
More               [ ]
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From: chrisa@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (C. G. Albone)
Subject: Re: Old fogeys
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:58:42 GMT

In article <1am794INNgnn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@dolomite.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <jgs1.718168064@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland) writes:
>>megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>>>From the haze of memoery I faintly recall that from discussions years ago.
>>>BTW, when exactly was a.s.h created? I joined on in Sept. 89.
>>    Whoa!  I didn't know you were still here... hee hee
>
>
>>    I joined sometime in the summer or fall of 1989.
>>    I don't know the month like you do.. ;-)
>
>
>I'm pretty sure mark@wpi still either lurks or drops in from time to time,
>I wonder if any others from the dark days of ash are still out there? hello?
>anyone out there? Any a.f.s people?

I joined ASH when it first hit australian soil, back in 1989.. 2nd yr of
my science degree... I was a lurker most of the time, tho i did submit a
couple of poems when i was close to paying a visit to the front end of a
bus. Needless to say, i didnt, and gradually came to terms with life.. well
to some extent anyways...

---
Chris.
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org: /u/df/suicide_quux
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:15:18 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Oct10.011708.17107@udel.edu> Psycho Kitten writes:


>	Of course societies try to make people feel that they must 
>continue their lives no matter what... it's not in the best interest of
>the society to have people off themselves when they are no longer happy
>and/or no longer desire to live.  Laws are passed against suicide to
>try to keep people from killing themselves... those who simply won't
>do it don't want to be left all alone with the added responibility.  Death
>creates problems for those who are still alive... by keeping as many
>people alive as possible, society aims to spread the misery, pain and
>responibility among everyone.  If everyone just died when things got
>too bad, who'd be left to oppress? (what a sad thought...)  If you're
>dead, they can't control you.  

Silly. Society isn't a conspiracy. It simply is. It no more notices the
individual than the body does it's individual cells.

>	I do think people should live for themselves... but I happen
>to derive pleasure from enriching people's lives.  It's almost like
>playing god... you get to decide who will benifit from your existance and
>who you will ignore.  Life can also be based on hatred or an abstract
>idea/goal.  I lived for many years on hatred and spite... it's not the
>best type of existance, but it can be quite enjoyable at times.  Now I
>enjoy granting benevolance on whomever I chose... I enjoy bringing a
>smile to people's faces or a light of understanding in their eyes.

Ah but what if in my desire to play God I wish to hold the life of
someone in my hand? To snuff it out? Should I? If I live solely for
myself then why not? The bottom line is that there is no meaning. Search
for a reason and you'll be disappointed. The only point is that there is
no point. Power such as you descibe is just an illusion, cotton wool
around the cold hard surface of the real world. How much cotton wool do
I use? Who knows? Perhaps beneath my vision there is another. I'd be sad
if there weren't.

>	Once you're born, the only thing that is truely required of
>you is that you die.  If you chose to live among other humans (usually
>the default choice - whether you like it or not), following at least some
>of the social standards helps make your daily interaction flow a bit
>smoother.  Of course people encourage you to live... they don't
>want to deal with all the loose ends that death leaves for the living.  

You honestly believe that people think along the lines of 'I'll stop him
killing himself...I don't feel like cleaning up'? Is there nothing else?
Is there no love in the world?

I really don't think you're right. Then again I really don't think I am.

Ollie/Lucifuge...

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Winter Depression Light Sources
Supersedes: <92276.153303U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 23:38:13 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>

This post is for general information purposes, and does not
offer any professional recommendations or guarantees.  The decision
rests with the reader as to whether the information is helpful
to her/him.

As promised, I am reposting the sources for lights used in some
medical centers, like Northwestern here in Chicago, for treating
winter depression.  I reiterate that I have no affiliations (or stock)
in either company.

Medic-Light, Inc.
34 Yacht Club Drive
Lake Hopatcong, NJ  07849
1-201-663-1214

Duro-Test
9 Law Drive
Fairfield, NJ  07007
1-800-BUY-DURO
1-201-808-1800

I have lights from both companies and they are both on here now since
last week, since there is less light this fall earlier due to Mt.
Pinatubo.  I have consulted with an MD who heads the winter depression
program at Northwestern, and she recommends both of these light
sources, but I offer no personal guarantees or recommendations.

The latter focuses on light simulating natural light and includes
some ultra-violet as part of the natural light spectrum.  The former
focuses on light intensity with a minimum intensity being 5000 lux.
They provide instructions on when and how to use the lights.

Neither company makes formal guarantees regarding use for winter
depression.  Neither do I other than saying they seem to work for me.


Happy winter!

Brady

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  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: stress....
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:13:16 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <92290.040649U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>
>>Well, I always sleep on it when I am stressed.  Taking it out on your pet is
>>not a bad idea, but you will have it in your conscience.
>
>>Any other suggestions, folks?
>
>I have one of those "Revengers" too that blasts death rays, grenade launcher
>sounds, and a machine gun.  I hit the buttons on that some days.
>Usually this is after some phone call where I have reached an
>incompetent individual who knows little about how to solve some paperwork
>snafu of mine.
>
>I have relaxation/hypnosis tapes that I use in my car when driving
>(the non-hypnotic side) and at night (the hypnotic side).
>
>Like Megazone, I find that writing works well also in getting out the
>feelings.

Wow Brady, you actually have unpleasantness in your life???---I'm truly
shocked..I thought you an MJ had learned how to banish sorrow and pain
aeons ago and were just here to shower warmfuzzies down upon us from on
high...
"You should be here feeling as we do, loving as we love" and all can kind of
crap....

So....there *IS* a god then.... 
}:)

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ssalimb01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: stress....
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:23:52 GMT

In article <Bw4yzt.32J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (I like redheads.) writes:
> I am really stressing out.  You know, lab due, big calculus test, my car 
> engine blown up, my SO's car reclaimed by her parents, along with her bank
> account (so she can't take the bus to see me), both of our phone bills are
> over the limit and cut off, etc. etc.                      
> 
> I just went outside and screamed at the top of my lungs.  I felt stupid,
> even though almost no one could see me, but I feel much better now.
> And the looks I got when I came back in the building... 
> 
> So I suggest, from personal and recent expierence, go outside and scream
> when stressing out.
> 
> Any other suggestions?

Well, I always sleep on it when I am stressed.  Taking it out on your pet is 
not a bad idea, but you will have it in your conscience.  
Some girls I know actually spent money when they are stressed.  
Any other suggestions, folks?  
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "When I'm bad, I sit in a tree,            
>    and spit on people who walk under me."       
> 		-The Dead Milkmen
> 
>    jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>    johnsojt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu                    
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
Keywords: spam fuck bunny
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:55:27 GMT

In <Bvz212.2qq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:

>In <Bvy3HE.6IL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. 
>Dennis) writes:

>I wrote the above last night about 2:00 am, after having just had an extremely
>complicated talk with my SO.  I'm not completely disgusted with this group or 
>all of the people in it, but some of the things that I've read on it disturb 
>me.

That's what it's here for.

>Someone named Dave Conibear [I think] wrote a long, very explicit suicide note
>and posted it on this group, which prompted much discussion as to whether he 
>really did it or not, what it meant to each a.s.her; etc.  After all of that, 
>someone finally thought to run a "finger" on Mr. Conibear, and lo and behold, 
>he logged in only three days ago!  [I think--can't find the note that I looked
>at.] [Yes, I know that someone  else could be using his login... rather than 
>get sidetracked into a rehash of Internet solipsism, I'm assuming that it's 
>him.]  Why did it take someone so long to do the obvious?  

It didn't. They waited till he logged in.

>Yeah, maybe I'm not getting into the spirit of this group; maybe pointing out 
>that prison--at least, max-security--is worse than any mental hospital is 
>beside the point; maybe I am trying to impose my values on others in a 
>heavy-handed manner. I still think that just the occasional reality check would
>do wonders for many of the people who have posted to this group; it sure helps
>me.

Checking reality's fine...but how do I stop it checking me??

>Flames always welcome.

I'm tired.

You'll live.

Ollie/Lucifuge...

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From: megazone@joseph.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 15 Oct 1992 08:40:14 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: joseph.wpi.edu

In article <3p7-q6-@engin.umich.edu> elnitsky@math.lsa.umich.edu (Serge Elnitsky) writes:
> This is fairly important... Does anyone have a copy
>of David Conibear's suicide note? I knew him a few
>years back...

Yes, I do.... I sent it via email... this is to help prevent flooding your 
mailbox...

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org: /u/df/suicide_quux
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:55:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.163110.3728@bradford.ac.uk> G.I.West@bradford.ac.uk (Graham West) writes:
>
>You are thinking in black and white. Society does what is best for it as a
>whole, not for any one individual. 

I don't think so.

If your statement were true, the U.S. would not have a banana-republic's
currency; we would not be spending more per capita than any other nation
on health care and yet rank 15th (or so) in life expectancy and infant
mortality; the "war" on drugs would be over because we would have
eradicated the root causes; etc.

It's nearer the truth to say that society does what is best for the
handful who run things -- or at least what they perceive to be in their
best interests.  Notice I say "nearer the truth."  Occasionally the
people on top actually put society's intereste above their own.  But 
those occasions are notable precisely because they are rare.
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 17:19:25 CDT
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
 <92285.154029U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <ogorman.718912705@unix1.tcd.ie>

In article <ogorman.718912705@unix1.tcd.ie>, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
says:

>You're fond of that idea aren't you?

Quite perceptive.

>Our Brady who art in Chicago
>Hallowed be thy flame....
>Thy B.A. come thy posts be done
>In ash as they are in thy dreams....
>Give us this day thy Humble Opinion
>And forgive us our lapses...
>For I am sorely pissed off by wankers
>Who think they know it *all*...
>Get a Life...while you're at it apply for some sensitivity. Maybe a
>smidgen of intelligence? Nah....
>Fuck you.

>--Lucifuge

>>Those needing to maintain their sullen nature will no doubt flame.
>>Denial of the necessity for change is paramount to them.  Attacking what     s
>>them is their modus operandi.  They will fight well to stay as they are.
>>They will find ways to debunk anything that gives them cause to look
>>inside and see that they need to change:  That the fault is not in the stars,
>>but in themselves. . . .

Thanks for proving my point.  Honest, folks, I didn't pay him to do it.
But he did a *fine* job anyway! ;))))  Lucifuge, want to be my foil
some more?

>Thank you Brady. Target practise is always fun...

You haven't hit anything but yourself, as usual.
Say, have you thought of a career as a "Minister of Denial?"
You sure have "the touch" with ecumenicism.

Brady

=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~Brady Woodward PhD~=~U56503@UICVM~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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From: guild@ecr.mu.oz.au (Luke_Thomas WILLIAMS)
Subject: Re: Columbus Day: Start? Winter Depression Season
Summary: What about us......
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:44:35 GMT

In article <92285.163549U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>, U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> Hi ASHers,
> 
> Here's the post people asked me to make this summer.
> 
> Remember this summer?
> 
> People on ASH this summer were happy and cheerful in part.
> Why, things were so downright friendly, people that hated each other
> all winter were agreeing and getting alone.  We marvelled at this
> phenomenon and basked in the sunshine outside our computer rooms.
> 
> We discussed Winter Depression then too.  We talked a lot about it.
> We saw that the mood of the group was so upbeat on the whole in the
> summer.  Sure, some of the "regulars" were not here, but other dour-
> in-winter members found themselves inordinately cheery and hopeful.
> This was duly noted.
> 

	What about us poor bastards in the southern hemisphere - constantly out
of sync with all the rest of you - surely I'm not the only one who's
just leaving winter with the prospect of a long,glorious summer ahead


		HA!!!!


	Luke Williams      | "I'll never understand you, son," Mrs Zimmerman
	guild@ecr.mu.oz.au | used to sigh - and she was right, she never did.
			   | 		Ben Elton, `Stark'