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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Braniff experiences?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 20:10:22 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

Thanks all for the Braniff stories.  Keep 'em coming.
After the three I've read here so far, I think I'll 
stay with Amtrak!

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Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: frequent flight bonus (FFB) transatlantic
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:07:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.093457.3169@bernina.ethz.ch> wyle@bernina.ethz.ch (Mitchell Wyle) writes:
>I am flying with Swissair and want the miles
>credited to a FFB program (I don't care which).
>Who credits Swissair miles?  I need the address
>in the USA.


USAir is at least one of the US carriers who honors Swissair miles in
its Frequent Traveler program.  Their address is 

USAir Frequent Traveler Program
P.O. Box 5
Winston-Salem, NC   27102-0005

To join, you can also just go to any City Ticket Office or to the
airport and join immediately.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: ashabana@agsm.ucla.edu (Ahmed Shabana)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:55:58 PDT

daniels@apollo.hp.com (Stewart Daniels) writes:


>>   >LAX-SYD		7487 mi		14:35 gate to gate
>>   >SYD-LAX				13:25
>>   >
>>   I don't know if they've changed it, but I took this flight about 4 years
>>   ago (just after UA bought the routes from PanAM).  Anyway, the flight
>>   had stops in both Honolulu and Auckland.

>United offers both a LAX-SYD-MEL service (no other stops), and a
>LAX-AKL-MEL service.  The longer range of the 747-400 allows the
>LAX-SYD route to be flown non-stop (I flew this route every three
>weeks for several months while I was in the process of moving over
>to Boston from Melbourne...got lots of Mileage Plus miles and Premier
>Executive status out of it).

>Stew.


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A few years ago I remember an article that mentionned that the longest
segment was Tokyo - New York non-stop. The only airplane capable of
flying it was the 747 SP. Is this still the case? 

Ahmed
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U.C.L.A.                          |Ken Olson, President of DEC, 1977
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 14:55:10 EDT
From: Asher Samuels <ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
 <1992Apr11.033944.18218@odin.corp.sgi.com>
 <1992Apr11.064000.14622@cs.yale.edu> <2035@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
 <STEINAR.92Apr15152952@faust.solan.unit.no>

My idea is that, whenever there's a crying kid, one free alcoholic drink
should be served to everyone in earshot.
I know that onTower, with all the kids, etc.  the only way I survive is to brin
 along a flask of Jack Daniels.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 21:16:29 CDT
From: <U29970@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Flying standby

Could someone please tell me about what it means to fly 'standby'?
Is it really all that cheaper?  What are the disadvantages?
How does one do it?  Thank you.

Neil Bhattacharyya
u29970@uicvm.uic.edu
Thank yo
u so much.
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.133616.28867@rdg.dec.com> western@sequin.rdg.dec.com (Jennifer Western) writes:

>  I think Heathrow would be hard to top.  Two tube stops (Piccadilly Line),
>  one for Terminals 1, 2, & 3, and another for Terminal 4.  Plus, there are
>  RailLink coaches for connecting to BR.
>

The tube takes too long to get to central London.  However, in a couple of
years they will have the direct train line to Paddington open (16 minutes)
and then Heathrow will join Frankfurt et al as one of the truly well
connected airports of the world.

RNA
From: sconnoll@pluto.csee.lehigh.edu (Sean Connolly)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flying with bicycle
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:59:25 GMT
Reply-To: sconnoll@pluto.csee.lehigh.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article marcos@netcom.com, marcos@netcom.com (Marcos H. Woehrmann) writes:
>In article <92103.101255JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> There has been a thread on rec.bicycles about traveling with your bike.  I
>> thought that I would post here to see if anyone has any ideas or experience
>> with this.  
>
>I looked into this last year and the conclusion I reached was don't fly
>with your bike, ship it UPS.  
>
>The airlines charge big bucks and won't insure the bike (except they might
>give you the $9/lb the are requiried to for lost luggage).  The best


	I definitely disagree.  So far, I've flown (with my bike) four times, three
times international and once domestic. 
	The airlines do *not* charge big bucks to fly your bike.  (They usually try
to make you pay some extra, but if you are firm, they can`t get away with it.)  The
bike is considered just another piece of check-in luggage.  All you need to do is put
it in a bike box (they almost always try to charge you about $10US to $20US, but don't 
let them).  
	Unless you fly some type of charter flight, the airline is just as responsible
for any damage to your bike as they would be for a TV you're sending.
	Of the four times, my bike has pulled through each with no damage, except once
flying into London, I got the bike, and needed to true the front wheel.  

>Of course it does take a few days (you can ship it UPS blue, if you are
>in a hurry) and you can't do this internationally, but other than that...

	Best of all, it *doesn't* take a few days.  You get to the airport, check in
your bike (make sure you pack it properly), hop on the plane, and when you get to your
destination, just get your bike with the rest of the people getting their luggage.  No
delay, even for international flights. 
	It's the trains you have to look out for... :-)

-Sean Connolly
sfc0@pl118c.cc.lehigh.edu
sconnoll@pluto.csee.lehigh.edu
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From: rlk20269@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Leon Kapusta)
Subject: O'Hare -> San Juan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:28:51 GMT

I am planning on flying this route in May, and was wondering if there
were any non-stop routes.  How long is the flight?  What type of plane
should I expect?  Thanks for the info!

Rich Kapusta
University of Illinois
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From: sashyh@barfly.unx.sas.com (Heidi Harring)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
    <167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> 
    <1992Apr7.020013.27660@u.washington.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:39:02 GMT
Originator: sashyh@barfly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 696

In article <1992Apr7.020013.27660@u.washington.edu>, treon@milton.u.washington.edu (Treon Verdery) writes:
>well, I got the $189 coupons from AMEX.  They have my name written

How does one get ahold of said coupons?  Apply for an AMEX card & get them as
comp tickets?  or buy them from AMEX?

Please post details.
Thanks,
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Keywords: ID-Checking at the gate 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 19:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.194419.17616@beaver.cs.washington.edu> torerik@cs.washington.edu (Tor Erik Jeremiassen) writes:
>I would not recommend trying to use other people's AMEX student tickets on
>Continental. I flew down to Houston during spring break. When they
>announced boarding for the flight they also announced that anyone holding
>a student ticket would be required to show picture ID upon boarding. One
>person in front of me in line claimed not to have his ID with him,
>whereupon one of the gate agents escorted him over to the adjacent ticket-
>counter. Funny, I don't remember seeing him on the flight.
>

I used the AMEX coupons on USAir (yes this is possible) and was never once
asked for ID on the flights.  In fact I don't think the tickets even mention
that the agents are supposed to check for ID.

RNA



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From: mtume@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Annette Bernhardt)
Subject: Travelling to Cuba
Organization: SSPPCC, University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:05:19 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: travelling to Cuba
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: SSPPCC, University of Chicago
Keywords: 



Does anyone have any information about travelling in Cuba:
best way to get there, how easy it is to travel around
the country cheaply -- not staying in expensive hotels, etc.
Specifically, can one camp easily? I'm asking because
NYT travel section sort of implied that cuba only wants
money tourists, and that lower status student travelling is
discouraged -- but I don't necessarily believe what the NYT
has to say on such matters.  Also, is it still common practice
for Cuban immigration to just stamp a piece of paper for US
passports?




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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Concorde Info
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:48:40 GMT

In <3649@bacon.MooreNet.COM> jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>Bob Tschudi <SASBOB@vm.sas.com> asks:
>	Opinion of Concorde vs. 1st Class (time/comfort/cost).

>It's a fairly comfortable aircraft, but it is showing it's age.  The
   Although I agree with everything else you wrote about Concorde,
   it is NOT a comfortable aircraft, at least for someone (me) who
   is 6'1".  
-- 
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From: plakshm@iastate.edu (P G Lakshminarayan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Frequent Fliers: Malaysian Air Trans-Pacific HAS Ties With ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:19:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr10.191918.8206
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

I just travelled Malaysian Air to MADRAS using Trans-Pacific Route.
Could some one tell me which US airline has ties with Malaysian Airline so as 
to get the free bonus miles.

Thank You

Lakshman
From: harmsen@cs.vu.nl (Harmsen H)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Amsterdam <-> West Africa (Dakar)
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:04:47 GMT

I'm looking for the best (cheapest) ticket from Amsterdam to
somewhere in West Africa and back.
I do not mind flying from Brussels, Paris or somewhere in Germany in
stead of from Amsterdam but, since I live in Amsterdam, that would be
teh best.
If anyone has some information about ticket prices or other info about
traveling to and through West Africa, please mail.

Thanks in advance

Hans-Peter Harmsen  (harmsen@cs.vu.nl)
Free University Amsterdam

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From: hs@cns.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Delta 30 day Standby Airpass
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:00:57 GMT
Organization: UMIST, Manchester, England.

In article <1992Apr14.011134.23104@trl.oz.au>, wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:
>> A friend and I are travelling to the US in July, and we want to use a
>> Delta 30 day standby air pass to get around.
>> 
>> Has anyone had any experience with these?
>> 

I had one of these a year or so back. I agree fully with what the other
poster said - just avoid the obvious busy times, and you'll have no problems
(though I was travelling solo, which may have helped).

One thing to watch out for though is this: you have a `free' ticket to
anywhere in the country: there is a great temptation to spend the whole month
just flying around from place to place, just to say you've been there. It's
an obvious thing to say, but dont do this. All you'll see is the inside of
lots of airports (they're all pretty similar in the US) and the insides of
lots of planes (even more so), plus you'll get to learn the in-flight
announcements off by heart. But apart from that, you wont have much of a
holiday. Consider that you only have to take one or two longish flights (in
my case it was from the east coast to Texas and back) to make the ticket pay
for itself.

Now the good news: your Bible will be the airlines schedule: if you dont get
on the flight you want, scrutinize the schedule and see if you can make the
trip by some other (usually crazy) route. (For example I wanted to get from 
New Orleans to Atlanta, but the flight was full, so I went via (I think)
Charleston, got to Atlanta only about an hour later than by the direct flight;
and got two dinners into the bargain: it's not a routing that the airline
officials think of - and it doesnt come up on their computers of course,
which is why you need to be able to read the schedule)
Of course there's always a risk (because
you're having to get onto two flights instead of one, and you might get 
stuck at the change-over point) but that's half the fun. Travel light so that
you can sprint from gate to gate, dont be afraid to put your name down for
more than one flight, and remember that until they actually close the doors,
you can still get on a plane, so dont be put off by the fact that all the
other passengers have boarded and they still havent told you you're on. By
the way, this sort of ticket is definitely not for faint hearts: if you're
the type who,  when taking a scheduled flight and with no check-in luggage,
still turns up 90 minutes before departure, then you probably havent got the
right temparaement for this kind of ticket.

Most of what I say might not apply to a couple travelling together, as you
lose that flexibility, unless you are prepared to split up for a few hours.
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From: altus@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steve Altus)
Subject: Re: BUMPS / USAir
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 03:01:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.010507.10497@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>
>Charlotte, NC, is a major USAir Hub....one of the two central locations for 
>the airline, if I remember correctly.  Isn't the other one in Baltimore?  
>Can someone check me on that?
>

USAir hubs:  PIT, CLT, BWI, PHL, DAY, IND           

before the merger, it was  
Piedmont:  CLT, BWI, DAY, SYR
USAir:  PIT, PHL, IND, CLE

--steve altus
From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airfares Europe->US->Europe
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:21:57 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

arild@milan.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik) writes:

>I'd like to go from Frankfurt to the US east coast in July, and/or Florida.
>Anyone knows any good deals?

>By the way: Airfares FROM europe to the US and back is MUCH MORE expensive
>than from US to europe and back--Even with the same airline. For example,
>recently Lufthansa was advertising "super cheap" roundfares for around 1100
>DM (=around 700 US dollars) frankfurt-NY. In the same period, a colleague
>traveled Lufthansa from Pihiladelphia-Stuttgart and back for $383.60. 

>So we Europeans are getting ripped off with a 100% price increase! What the
>heck is going on here!?

You're paying for your governments' and your airlines' determination to
prevent open market competition that would drastically reduce their
profit margins.

-- 
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: USair
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:44:57 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <kurbbcINN77m@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>Wasn't it actually "Peoplexpress" ?  I'm sure I saw some ads with
>that spelling.  I never had the privilege [??] of actually using
>it, however.

That's the way it was spelled on the planes.  But in all news reports
about the airline it was called People Express.

>Also, was there ever an actual airline called "Texas Air" or was
>this just a holding company for other airlines?  If the former,
>when did it stop flying under that name?

The airline was Texas International Airlines.  This relatively small
airline bought Continental, starting the whole long process.  Until
recently they kept the corporate name of the old airline:  Texas Air
Corportation.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Subject: NO Mileage on SINGAPORE Airlines !
Reply-To: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:06:58 GMT

I flew them to Bombay, but they will not give mileage on any US airlines
since my ticket was not a full-fare economy. The last time I flew to Bombay,
it was on British, and I got a free ticket on United after that trip (okay, so
United screwed up and thought I flew Business Class and gave me 25% extra
which made it worth 20,000 miles....).

So avoid Singapore Air if you are a FF collector. Their service and food was
excellent. British Air has that "stiff-upper-lip" thing (which translates
into snootiness) that Britain has a thing about promoting.  No flames please,
just my opinion.

Next time, I fly Luftansa (sp ?). Hear they have great service...... 
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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Airport Codes
Followup-To: poster
Summary: *Correct* Canadian postal abbreviations
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:24:38 GMT

> | This is going to be a problem as Canada Post has never
> | designated two-letter codes for the provinces.
> 
> Incorrect.  These are the officially recognized 2 letter codes for Canada:
> 
> Provs (west to east): BC, AB, SK, MB, ON, QC, NB, NS, PI, NF
> Territories:          YK, NT

Incorrect.  *These* are the officially recognized 2 letter codes for Canada:

		BC, AB, SK, MB, ON, *PQ*, NB, NS, *PE*, NF
		*YT*, NT

Source: Canada Post, 1989 postal code directory.

However, according to a discussion now going on in can.politics, many
people in Quebec (including their government) are rejecting PQ and using
QC instead, and are angry that Canada Post is still recommending PQ.
(It's precisely because the discussion is still in progress that I'm
confident that PQ is still the official code despite my reference being
3 years old.)

ObAir:  The main airport for Toronto is YYZ -- Lester B. Pearson Inter-
national Airport in Mississauga.  It used to be Toronto International
Airport, but was renamed in violation of Transport Canada's own policy
requiring airport names to be geographical.  It is still the only exception
to this policy in Canada, as far as I know, and I'm still annoyed at it.

Followups directed to email.
-- 
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SoftQuad Inc., Pearson, ON :-)	 It is to PUT oneself IN the clear."
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From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Boston <--> Seattle
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:35:38 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:

>well, my fiance and I are off on a Northwest Boston <--> Seattle nonstop
>Boeing 757 flight in May.

>Has anyone else been on this particular flight, or any other Northwest
>"longhaul" routes on narrowbody aircraft? Do they show a movie? Do they
>have those nifty overhead monitors? The only longhaul flights I've been
>on have been on large widebodied 3+ engined aircraft.... Do they serve
>more than one meal? 

>--
>Helen Trillian Rose             	email eff@eff.org for EFF info

I flew NW Boston->San Francisco nonstop on a 757, which is comparable to
BOS->SEA.  The 757 seats are awful, but the plane wasn't crowded, so
this wasn't a problem.  

Also, the Northworst service was remarkable, nay stupendous (in coach!).
I don't recall if they actually served *two* meals, but I remember being
fed very well.
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