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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:36:26 MDT
From:         "Mark, Phone 2404" <sandilands@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Inappropriate mail

>From: Michael Sachs <V5289E@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
>To: Multiple recipients of list SPORTPSY <SPORTPSY@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
>
>     There was a posting earlier today (yesterday?) dealing with abortion,
>which generated a number of responses concerning the appropriateness of the
>posting for this list.  The posting is clearly NOT appropriate for this list,
>which is designed for discussions on topics dealing with exercise and sport
>psychology.
>  (stuff deleted)
>I suppose one needs to be tolerant of such 'noise' and accept the ease with
>which the system operates at the present time.

For the information of those of you who don't subscribe to many other lists,
this guy has been posting his bizarre messages, dealing with a variety of
topics (that Christians are all being duped, that there is a mysterious energy
source in the universe, and some others), to other lists as well (SKEPTIC,
PHILOSOPHY, BIOSPH-L).  There is not much point in complaining about it--just
grin and hit the delete key.  I personally got a kick out of his last one on
abortion since I had not seen that argument before.  I don't want to start a
discussion about abortion here, but just want to point out that it's futile to
add extra chaff to the list by complaining about the messages--take what you
want and throw out the rest.  The ratio of chaff to wheat in this guy's
messages is quite high, though.
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:19:00 EDT
From:         "Rick.Albrecht" <15718RRA@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Li

Perhaps the list admin didn't send him a note to stop but I took it upon
myself to do so.  In fact, rather than waste the time of the SPORTPSY members,
if his messages irritate you, send the guy an e-mail message.  Maybe if he
gets several hundred messages from us, he will recognize: (1) he has been very
inconsiderate and (2) how frustrating it can be to sort through "junk" mail.
The guy's address is MCELWRE@UWEC.BITNET.

                                             -- Rick Albrecht
                                                Michigan State University
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:03:11 CDT
From:         C118049@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject: RE: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Li

>      Rick, thanks for the idea.  I have just written him as well, requesting
>that he find an apropriate place for his political/religious views.
>
     Thanks for the message, and for doing something about it.  Even
though the original sermon of personal views was out of the realm of
this organization, it did give me pause to reflect on a different
viewpoint.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:06:59 CDT
From:         Elaine Owen <CEOWEN@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Li

      Rick, thanks for the idea.  I have just written him as well, requesting
that he find an apropriate place for his political/religious views.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:34:47 EDT
From:         "Jamie L. Studts" <JLSTUD00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Assessment

Does anyone know of a book or any articles on the use of psychological
assessment in sports psychology.  I think I remember a professor reffering to a
 book, but I do not know the author, title, etc?  Please send any information t
o either my address or the list.  Thanks.
                                         Jamie L. Studts
                                         University of Kentucky
                                         Counseling Psychology
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:14:51 -0400
From:         "(gordon e. banks)" <geb@DSL.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?

What has this got to do with sports psychology?

Stifle!
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:00:00 PDT
From:         OESTINBA@WHITMAN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Inappropriate mail

I apologize for dragging this out, as I myself get irritated when people drag
out a useless subject for longer than necessary.... but permit me to point out
that we do not just have to grin and hit the delete key.  I believe this person
could be in some violation of bitnet rules, and irritated parties, instead of
posting to the list, have the option of writing to POSTMASTER at the node from
whence this message came, UWEC I believe.  (And I think that M. Postmaster has
the choice of deleting the irritant's account or not.)
Bethany Oesting
Senior Psychology Major, Whitman College   OESTINBA@WHITMAN
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:58:00 EDT
From:         "Rick.Albrecht" <15718RRA@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Assessment

Still another reference you may want to check is:

        Anshel, M.H.(1987).  Psychological inventories used in sport
             psychology research.  The Sport Psychologist, 1, 331-349.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:46:24 -0400
From:         LITTLE_ONE <LYONSWI@HSDWL.UTC.COM>
Subject:      Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?

	When does one consider abortion a SPORT...
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:55:10 -0600
From:         "Mark B. Andersen" <MARKO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      psych assessment

Singer, R.N. (1988). Psychological testing: What value to coaches and
   athletes. Int. J. Sport Psychol., 19:87-106

Gardner also had presentations at both AAASP 1988 and APA 1988 on psych
assessment in sport so the AAASP abstract should be available but you
might have to write Frank for the APA article. It was called "Psychological
assessment in applied sport psychology: Predicition vs. development.
Sorry, do not have the address for Gardner Consulting Associates, maybe
someone else on sportpsy does.

Take care,

Mark Andersen
School of Physical and Health Education
University of Wyoming
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:43:00 EDT
From:         "Michael A. Malec x4131" <MALEC@BCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?

Hey, I thought this was about sport psychology.  Please, let's keep the
propogandists off!
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Subject: FOOTBAL
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:02:00 GMT
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During the Monday Night Football interview with the Eagles
quarterback, Randall Cunningham referred to recently signed Miami
Dolphins tight-end, Keith Jackson, as "his boy".  Will Dan Marino
be able to refer to Keith Jackson as "his boy"?
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:59:04 -0600
From:         "Mark B. Andersen" <MARKO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      psych assessment

Also see "Directory of psychological tests in the sport and exercise
sciences" Andrew C. Ostrow (Ed.), Morgantown, WV: Fitness Information
Technology, Inc. (1990).
From: ATMSB@ASUACAD.BITNET (Maryann Santos de Barona)
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Subject: Faculty recruitment
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:05:49 GMT
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Dear Colleague:

We are writing to ask for your assistance.  We hope to identify
a person or persons who might have interest in being considered
for a position on our faculty in school psychology under the
university's Faculty Diversity Plan.  Under this plan, funds
have been designated for recruitment of ethnic minorities and
women.  We hope to identify women or individuals of either
gender who are of minority status who might be considered under
this program.  Potential candidates can be considered at any
rank.

We hope to identify a small pool of potential candidates who
evidence strong promise for success in scholarship, teaching,
and leadership in school psychology.  If you are aware of any
potential candidates, please forward their names (and addressed
and phone numbers if available) to us.  We would also
appreciate a copy of a vita if you have a potential candidate's
permission to send us one.

We do need to emphasize that we have not been authorized to
advertise a faculty position in school psychology and that no
such position exists at this time.  The likelihood that we can
be successful in creating a faculty line will depend, in part,
on the strength of a potential candidate who might have
interest in joining our faculty.

Thank you for your assistance.

Jerry Harris, Ph.D.
Professor and Program Coordinator, School Psychology

Maryann Santos de Barona, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
School Psychology

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:11:54 CDT
From:         Elaine Owen <CEOWEN@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?

ON Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:43:00 EDT Michael A. Malec x4131 said:
>Hey, I thought this was about sport psychology.  Please, let's keep the
>propogandists off!

RIGHT!  This isn't the place for religious or political crusades.
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:22:06 -0500
From:         WILLIAMSRICE@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: psych assessment

Frank Gardner, Ph.D.
Execitive Director, Sport Psychology Training Center
East Hills Professional Bldg.
70 Glen Cove Road
Suite 105
East Hills, NY  11577
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:28:30 CST
From:         Bob Lowe <BOBL@VM1.UCA.EDU>
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?

Please conduct this discussion on Freetalk or one of the other lists where this
material may be perceived as being useful and productive!

Bob Lowe
BOBL@VM1.UCA.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:35:56 EDT
From:         Michael Sachs <V5289E@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Inappropriate mail

     There was a posting earlier today (yesterday?) dealing with abortion,
which generated a number of responses concerning the appropriateness of the
posting for this list.  The posting is clearly NOT appropriate for this list,
which is designed for discussions on topics dealing with exercise and sport
psychology.

     The posting was sent by someone who is not a member of SPORTPSY.  One
occasionally sees these types of posting on SPORTPSY and other lists because
anyone with a particular point of view can develop such a message and send
it to an entire listing with a few keystrokes.  The person does not need to be
a list member to do so.  The only way around this is to have a moderated
list, where all mail goes through one person, who screens the material.
SPORTPSY has not been developed this way.  I suppose one needs to be
tolerant of such 'noise' and accept the ease with which the system operates
at the present time.

     Thanks for your patience and understanding.

     Sincerely, Michael Sachs, List Coordinator
From: CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET (VALENTINE M. SMITH)
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Subject: "On Possible War Between Russia and Georgia, #777"
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:23:29 GMT
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On Possible War Between Russia and Georgia

RFE/RL reported this morning that heavy fighting had occurred in
Abkhazia over the weekend, with 100 killed in the fighting at Gagra,
where it was reported that 4000 Abkhaz National Guardsman and North
Caucsasus troops took over the town.

Georgia announced it would "mobilize" 40,000 militiamen, and on 3
October the Georgian State Council announced it was seizing all
Russian military property in Georgia. Shevardnadze was reportedly not
present when this decision was reached. That same day, Shevardnadze's
copter was fired on, and he very bitterly denounced the Russian
Parliament for supporting the Abkhaz separatists.

Georgia has called on NATO and the CSCE for help "to calm down the
situation," but as per my comments in #776, I question the West has
any desire to get into this mess.

Russia warned on 4 October that any attempt to seize Russian military
property would result in "armed clashes," and that the Georgia State
Council's decision was "a flagrant violation of earlier agreements.

The US media is studiously ignoring this struggle, though NPR had
pieces on it today, none of the networks or CNN appear very
interested. (Missed most of that - sick children and a very sick wife
have me way off track today!) Yet, this may be the first "war" after
the splitup of the old SU - Nagorno-Karabakh, the trans-Dniester
struggle, the internal struggles of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan pale
against this conflict.

NPR said the chairman of the Confederation of the north Caucasus
Mountain People pledged today to send 40,000 "volunteers" to Abkhaz,
no doubt this is a source of further aggravation to Mr. Shevardnadze,
as he continually rails against Russian (especially Parliament)
interference in Georgia's internal affairs.

No one has spoken of what or how many arms might be seized by
Georgia, nor what Russia might do if the Georgian threat is acted
upon. But, one gets the feeling Moscow is NOT messing around. If
force IS engaged, "war" WILL start, no matter the Western media will
call it "skirmishes" or some such tripe as that.

This conflict's looming potentiality bodes ill for the region, for
Georgia and Russia, for the life of the "CIS." Yet, despite the
relative silence about it, this clash is potentially the worst since
the "CIS" was created. What to do will sorely test both parties,
other "CIS states," and the West. I think Georgia will fight fiercely
in Abkhaz, but that the Russians will win the day. Does that mean a
"free" Abkhaz? Don't count on it.
From: MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU (K=A*T)
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Subject: Re: New Tax Scheme
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:01:07 GMT
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From:         ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET





>> If you want to be really "fair," you should tax wealth too.

> I'm not sure what you mean by "wealth."  If you mean "accumulated savings,"
> then no, a tax on wealth is double taxation and is therefore illegitimate (in
> my opinion at least).  I get the impression that what you really mean is
>income from wealth," which should certainly be taxed equally to other kinds of
> income.

> Jason

It is not *double* taxation.  According to you, it would be
multiple taxation, since  wealth  would be taxed EVERY year.

Now, let me see, you pay property tax every year, that is
if you had any property, right?  (But from what I see, you must
not be a good economist, so you must not have any property,
sheesh.  :-)          Isn't THAT double/multiple taxation?

And if you say property tax is for the services you receive
every year, then I must ask, isn't federal tax for the services
we receive EVERY year?  And if some of those services are
rendered to/because of our property/wealth, shouldn't we
pay for it EVERY year, according to our wealth?

--KAT
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:11:27 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rush
              29 Sep 1992 12:59:37 EST from <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

MacPhil:

You made the point I was going to make later.  To my knowledge, Arkansas
has not moved up (much, anyway) in its comparisons to other states.

Can you see the hysteria as things improve in Arkansas?  "Hey, everybody,
we did it!  We're NUMBER FORTY-NINE!!!!!!!"  [sounds of wild cheering,
revelry, and champagne being unscrewed.]

--Missy P 2 B
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:40:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Perot--in, out, what?

        On the basis of her mind, Michael.  She is an intelligent person,
she is nice and easy to talk to, and it is possible for her to have a long
and intelligent conversation with people she doesn't agree with.  That's why
I respect her and I would love to have a chance to take a class that she
taught.

                                        Chris Morrison
                                        CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:14:54 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Murphy Brown
              28 Sep 1992 15:07:26 -0700 from <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>

This is the last time I am answering to this thread, since
I have given all my arguments and Andy has been repeating
his baseless claim.

This is what I said:

>  1. It is *charged* that Dan Quayle has attacked single-motherhood.
>  2. Dan Quayle says that he was misunderstood.
>  3. Ok, I am willing to give him and his supporters another chance.

This is what Andy said:

> Quayle's speech has been posted; it shows that KAT's claim is wrong.

Note that none of my claims has anything to do directly with what
Quayle actually said.  I even enumerated my claims so to make it easy
for Andy to say which claim that I made was wrong.  But he won't
say it and won't back off from his claim either.  Instead he
resorted to a tactic that he usually accuses other of doing:
pointing out a seemingly relevant but truly irrelevant falsehood.
He says I am not interested in Quayle's speech.  So now Andy
claims he can read my mind.  What next?

So I asked:

> So which claim was it that was wrong?

And Andy replies:

> Huh?  I've offered to post or mail the speech in question.  KAT isn't
> interested in it, which pretty much proves my position that KAT isn't
> interested in the speech.

Huh what?  Forget about the speech (I already have a copy).
Just answer 1, 2 or 3, referring to the claim that I made which
was wrong.

>>                       And you, you who would not forgive even the
>> most insignificant and innocent mistakes, I open my guards for you,
>> list my charges one by one, and ask you to back up your assertion
>> that I am wrong, and you are bored?  Give me a break!  At least have
>> the honesty of admitting that *you* were wrong.

> If KAT wants correction, he can pay for it.

If Andy doesn't want to back up his assertions then maybe
Andy should....

> -andy

--KAT

Hint: that was a perfectly comprehensible ellipse.
Hint: that was an example of a good hint.
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Recent Democratic Administrations
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              <POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
              29 Sep 1992 13:16:44 EDT from <PL436000%BROWNVM.BI
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:16:44 EDT Jamie said:

>Compare growth under Democratic Administrations recently:
>
>61-4     20.4%
>65-8     19.4%
>77-80    11.5%

Jamie, I won't quarrel /c your numbers, but something just really struck
the funny bone (sorry, ulnic nerve) when I read "Democratic Administrations"
and "recently" in the same sentence...I know they're ("their" for the
spelling-impaired on the list) all there is, but...

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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject: ?: Why does harelb post this stuff? (answer below)
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              27 Sep 1992 03:59:28 GMT from <harelb%MATH.CORNELL
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:59:28 GMT misc.activism.progressive co-moderator said:

I sent a note to this person asking why they posted so much stuff and didn't
bother to hang around for questions, etc. (I believe I posted a follow-up
question last week) and here's the reply I received:

The information I've gathered for the series, often footnoted, I think
is valuable enough so send to the list (already being posted to the
UseNet) despite my not being on the mailing list. There are a few or
so open minds left in America willing to look at such heavily
documented facts (generally suppressed in the mainstream media), and
the series (there are quite a few more parts) can be a real eye opener
in that respect.

As already demonstrated, I am willing to reply to (serious) email sent
(or carbon-copied) to my mailbox concerning the series.

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