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From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Refill HP DeskJet 550C Cartridges?
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:06:02 GMT
Organization: University of Texas
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X-XXMessage-ID: <A7578B3968019F2B@mac33.util.utexas.edu>
X-XXDate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:05:45 GMT

Today one of my colleagues bought a Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 550-C color
inkjet printer, and he is already worried about the cost of replacement
cartridges. This is the newer model with cartridges containing 3 colors
plus black, that replaced the DeskJet Color model.

It seems like there was a discussion (here?) recently about how you do
this ... if memory serves, you have to drill a hole in the cartridge and
inject ink, but if you drill the hole at the "reasonable looking" spot,
ink squirts out when you print. Does anyone out there in Greater Netland
have this information?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.wanted,sci.fractals
From: jdm@newton.Colorado.EDU (James D. Meiss)
Subject: Conformal mapping program wanted
Summary: I remember such a program, long ago
Keywords: math, complex variables
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:02:11 GMT

Many eons ago, in the days of the 512ke, I had a program for
doing conformal maps on the Mac.

It was quite nifty: opened two windows. You could draw a contour
in one and see instantaneously the result of the conformal map
in the second.

As I recall it had a reasonable parser to input the functions.

Does anyone know of such a program?  I'm teaching a complex variables
course next semester, and it would be of great help for demonstrations.






Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu (michael deerkoski)
Subject: Re: v7.0.1 crashes with MacWrite II with 32-bit on
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:15:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.125129.27087@ll.mit.edu> rp@llex.ll.mit.edu ( Richard Pavelle) writes:
>
>I am running v7.0.1 on a IIci. When I run with 32-bit addressing
>I get frequent crashes with MacWrite II. This does not happen
>with 32-bit off. The crash occurs when I move the cursor down a
>couple of pages to review blocks of text. 
>
>The message is:
>
>Sorry, a System error occurred.
>"MacWrite II 1.1v2"
>bad f-line instruction
>
>and I must then restart. Can someone suggest a fix?

Yes, Call claris at (408) 727-8227 and request 1.1v3.  It will be a free
upgrade.

Seeya,

>

-- 
Michael Deerkoski           |Internet: deek@brahms.udel.edu
Undergraduate               |     FTP: rayst3.rayst.udel.edu
University of Delaware      |CompuServe: 76300,2612|AppleLink:      deek
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From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: SoundMaster 1.2 sounds?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:55:26 -0500

 
  RF> Does anyone know where I can find additional sound files for Bruce
  RF> Tomlin's SoundMaster?  I have version 1.2.  

I'm using 1.7.3.
From: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Statview Printing Bug
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:43:49 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin
Reply-To: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: moulder.radbio.mcw.edu
Keywords: Statview, Printing

There is clearly a bug in Statview 4.0 that causes periodic system crashes 
when trying to print on *SOME* systems.  

In our case we are printing on a LaserWriter on an AppleTalk Network.  Jobs 
print but the program or the machine crashes afterwards (about half the 
time!).

Abacus is aware of the problem [I called then three times today (-:] and they 
say that they are workin on a fix.  They further stated that the problem is 
related to TrueType fonts.  

Problem is, I'm working in system 6.0.8 and I don't have TrueType fonts 
installed (I check with Font DA mover).  I have even gone to the trouble of 
removing the TrueType fonts from the PrintServer (which runs AppleShare 
3.0 on system 7.0.1), and restarting the entire system (workstations, server 
and printer).  We still crash about half the time!

The problem effects both system 6.0.8 and system 7 (I tried it both ways).  
Interestingly it doesn't crash on my home system (PB170, system 7.0.1, 
StyleWriter, Truetype installed).  

I'm awaiting their bug fix (still in testing, I won't get it soon), and I'm p***ed 
o**.  This version has been out for months, I can't believe that we are the only 
one with the problem.

Anyone with similar problems, please e-mail me, maybe I can find a common 
thread.

John Moulder (jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu)      414-266-4672
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisc
From: grekin@mermaids.hac.com (Igor Grekin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Sending Postscript Files to LaserWriter under 7.0
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:20:41 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company
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X-XXMessage-ID: <A7573B2416013C30@macone.edsg.hac.com>
X-XXDate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:24:04 GMT

Mike,

What you need is an utility program 

I hope this will help.

Igor Grekin

grekin@mermaids.hac.com
From: f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: QuicKeys 2.1.3 ----- impressions?
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:18:32 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Anyone out there in Netland purchased QuicKeys 2.1.3 yet? According to CE's
flier, the only real enhancement is a completely rewritten interface for
Instant QuicKeys. (Sounds good to me, the previous interface was too hard to
decipher to make it useful. Sort of defeats the purpose.) Oh, it also has a
new installer. 

So, is the upgrade worth the $10 for QK 2.1.2 users? Comments, criticisms?

Thanks,

Bill Krauthammer
f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Rick_McCormack@mindlink.bc.ca (Rick McCormack)
Subject: Re: Wrap text WITHIN a graphic: How?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:30:56 GMT

PAgeMaker 3 can wrap text within a boundary box.

Create the box, just as normal (RTM) at the location where the text will be
placed.
Fold the box over. (oh, sure!) To do this: grab the upper left corner of the
bounding box, and drag it across the right hand edge of the bounding box,
placing it about one-half-inch below the existing upper right corner. Repeat
with the lower left corner, placing it about one-half-inch ABOVE the existing
lower right corner. Pull the original lower right corner fully over to the
left; do the same with the original upper right corner. (Note that is the
original--as drawn-- right corners, which, by the time you do this are now
the lower and upper left corners.)

You can now shape the bounding box, and any text you type in it will conform
to the shape you create.

This procedure is outlined somewhere in the book USING PAGEMAKER: MACINTOSH
VERSION, 2nd Edition. Published by Que, ISBN 0-88022-607-2, 1990. Oh,
yeah--here it is, page 234.
--

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mohr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Gordon Mohr)
Subject: Re: Rename an account in Quicken?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:47:33 GMT

In article <2340@shaman.wv.tek.com> Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com writes:
>Anybody know a reasonable way to rename an account in Quicken 3.0?  My
>checking account is still named "Checkbook 91"!

Choose Account/Account List (Cmd-A). Select the account you want to
rename. Choose Edit/Edit Account (Cmd-E). In the resulting dialog
box you can change the account name, account type, description, and
credit limit, if applicable.

>--
>    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
>    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 

- Gordon Mohr ------------
- mohr@cory.berkeley.edu -


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: Re: Anti-Viral Apple events (was Re: Add'l StuffIt Unpleasantness) 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:51:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.023535.9873@netcom.com> mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall) writes:
>leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol) writes:
>>	I have been improving the suite and working with developers (both the
>>anti-viral folks & others) to incorporate support for the Anti-Viral Apple
>>event suite into their products.  
>
>It would be nice if someone would write a faceless AVAE server - the apps
>that support it so far are much larger than they need to be to just
>support the events, and as a client you could care less about large color
>splash screens and the like.
>
	This is pretty much how Rival implements its support for the AVAE
suite.  Since Rival comes only as a Control Panel, in order to support AE's
at all, it launches a background app (faceless) out of itself. Neat, eh??

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol			Internet: 	leonardr@netcom.com
Director of Advanced Technology		AppleLink:	MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.			GEnie:		MACgician

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: bml@netcom.com (Brian Leibowitz)
Subject: Re: Foreign language software
Summary: don't bother
Keywords: language
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:13:00 GMT


 
There are some things that using a computer is NOT the easiest and best way.
The best way to start learning a language is to get a set of beginner tapes
and listen to them often.  Then use the language as much as possible.
Tapes have the advantage of you can take them (almost) anywere (car, jogging,
beach,etc.).  If you use software, you are less likely to put in the time
needed.  Plus tapes are much cheaper.
 
There are probably some situations where the software would be good-
such as studying advanced grammer or learning technical terms and useage-
but for a casual student of language, tapes and conversation groups are better.

 
Brian Leibowitz
bml@netcom.com                  I jest to Oberon and make him smile-Will S.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: fulrj4@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (FULLFORD RICHARD)
Subject: Norton Utilities Filesaver Problem
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:51:12 GMT

I have just swapped my SE/30 for a Powerbook 180 and immediately
installed my Norton Utilities. About 50% of the time (especially
when Word is also running) when I "sleep" the machine I get the
following error window:
 
     A problem has been encountered (error = -108)
          
     (FileSaver INIT: Error Number 117)
          
When I click the OK Button in the window the lifebelt appears and
things seem to progress normally.
 
Has anyone else struck this problem and have you found a fix?
 
My configuration is Powerbook 180 4/80, System 7.1, Filesaver v2.0,
Word 5.1a (although it also happened with Word 5.0a).
 
Richard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: SoftAT demo Scandal?!?!? (Demo message *is* real!)
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:25:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: UB

Charlie isn't the only one who spoke with Insignia; I called them
today myself to ask for the story behind the "demo".  What I was
told was that there *is* such a thing as a "demo copy" of SoftAT,
but it's not a "demo" in the usual sense.

A SoftAT "demo copy" is sold for $75 to consultants and dealers
to allow them to convince potential customers to buy SoftAT.  The
"For Demonstration Only" message is meant as a reminder for dealers
and consultants that the SoftAT "demo copy" is licensed only for
the purpose of demonstrations, and not for doing any "real" work,
despite the fact that the SoftAT "demo" is in fact fully functional.

It appears, then, that someone got hold of one of these "demo copies"
of SoftAT and uploaded it to the archives, either not realizing or
not caring that the "demonstration" message relates to how the copy
is *supposed* to be used, not how it *can* (or can't) be used.

 -- Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Jason Braddy)
Subject: Re: Your experience with AppMaker
Reply-To: jlbraddy@IASTATE.EDU (Jason Braddy)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:43:27 GMT

al862@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brent D. McLean) writes:
>AppMaker had its interface created with AppMaker (just a C is written in C)

I've heard something to this effect before...how do you use a program that you
aren't done with to write a program that you aren't done with?  This sounds
like recursion taken to an extreme...

--
+  Jason Braddy                +   No his mind is not for rent           R +
 +  [Major under construction]  +   To any god or government              U +
  +  Iowa State University       +   Always hopeful, yet discontent        S +
   +  jlbraddy@iastate.edu        +   He knows changes aren't permanent     H +
    +  (515) 233-1263              +   ...But change is                      !
+
From: jderyck@engn.uwindsor.ca (John De Ryckere)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Real life opinion on Stuffit, Compactpro an
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:46:10 GMT
Reply-To: jderyck@engn.uwindsor.ca
Organization: VLSI Research Group - University of Windsor

In article 29918@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr, vutien@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr (Vu Tien) writes:
>        but.....
> Recovered Stuffited archives could not be unstuffited.
> Recovered Compatored archives could not be decompacted.
> Disk Doubler files could be open again.

> vutien.

It is really no suprise.  Changing a single bit in an archived file is much worse than
a single bit in a regular file.  In the archive that one bit will effect many bytes so
recovery would be very difficult.  On the other hand a bit in a regular file only
effects one byte.  No big deal even for most applications if you're lucky.  One 
question though, by trashed what do you mean?  Accidently deleted or a HD crash?

If it was deletion I would worry about the PC Tools recovery system...
From: saf@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Wanted: Small fast read only text browser.
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:36:02 GMT
Organization: SilverWare Consulting Services


I'm trying to find a small compact quick text browser that I can drag
and drop a text file onto under System 7.1

I quite often have the need to view a number of files for refernce
information and it would be really great if I could select the file
from a finder window and drop it on a browser program that'll let me
do searches (regexp's would be a great plus) and scroll up and down
quickly.  It's important that I not be able to modify the file because
these are C header files and it'll really screw things up if I
accidently add a character here or there.

-- 
 Steve A. Feinstein | saf@netcom.com | God forbid we should ever be twenty
  360 Cowper Street |================| years without such a rebellion!
Palo Alto, CA 94301 |                       - Thomas Jefferson (1767-1845)
     (415) 326-8224 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: plau@qucis.queensu.ca (Peter S. Lau)
Subject: Re: SoftAT Scandal?!?!?!?
Organization: Computing and Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:08:01 GMT

I think Insignia probably doesn't have access on Internet. Otherwise
we don't have to call them and verify it ourselves. I do think
the site managers should send a join message asking the whoever got
the "demo" should delete it since it's a commerical product, just to
make it official.

Btw, I feel really uncomfortable after I heard the "demo" is indeed
the real thing... not because it's indeed a commerial product being
altered on the window... but I am wondering what else coud have been
altered... could there be a time-bomb of some sort hidden somewhere?
How about some PC virus on it? Or maybe even new Mac virus?  (Ouch!!)

Just some thought.

pete
From: zaharch@husc8.harvard.edu (Greg Zaharchuk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: how to get sound from text wave file
Keywords: music, sound, speaker
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:49:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.zaharch.724376990

does anyone know how to get  from data in a text file (or excel or
mathematica file) to be played through the se30 speaker?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Distribution: world
From: Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:40:44 EST
Subject: Re: (!) SofatAT Demo location

Tom Kent,

I am the demo file manager at the new BMUG Boston BBS and would be interested
in this demo CD?
Where did you get it? was it free? It wouuld help our members to try out demos
before buying software!  I've never heard of this CD.  Since I notice that you
are in the Boston area-you might be interested in calling and perhaps joining!
 We are a GUI BBS run on first class software.  The number is 617-721-5840
Please visit!

- BulkRate 1.3... getting faster everyday!-darren_tong@fourd.com

********************************************************************
System: fourd.com                                Phone: 617-494-0565
Cute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry
********************************************************************

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: (!) SofatAT Demo location
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:13:12 GMT

Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com wrote:
: Tom Kent,
: 
: I am the demo file manager at the new BMUG Boston BBS and would be interested
: in this demo CD?
: Where did you get it? was it free? It wouuld help our members to try out demos
: before buying software!  I've never heard of this CD.  Since I notice that you
: are in the Boston area-you might be interested in calling and perhaps joining!
:  We are a GUI BBS run on first class software.  The number is 617-721-5840
: Please visit!

Personally, I got two demo CDs included with my CD-ROM drive from Apple.

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
From: voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Advisor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Startup Password Shareware
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:49:24 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Reply-To: bknouff@voyager.larc.nasa.gov (Advisor)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bknouff.larc.nasa.gov

Would like to know where I can FTP sharerware that will require a
password to startup my mac. (Like Nightwatch). Thanx.

Brian
From: hsusy@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Song-Yi(Sonny) Hsu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: MS Word document ruler size on the Classic
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:47:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi,

I use MS Word 5.0 as my word processor on my Classic with a 9 inch monitor.

The papers I write are usually 6.5 inches wide, leaving a 1 inch margin on both
sides of the printed paper.  Because the compact Macs have screens less the
6.5 inches wide, I have to scroll the window to read parts of a document.
However, I occasionally opened up files that have a narrower ruler so that the
entire page would fit on the small screen.  Could someone tell me how I can 
change the program's default so that every new document would fit on the 
small screen?

Any response would be greatly appreciated.  Please write to me through e-mail 
or post the solution on the net.

Thanks.

Sonny Hsu

hsusy@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Foreign language software
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:23:17 GMT


I'm interested in learning spanish, and glancing through MacUser I see a lot
of programs that are supposed to do this. HyperGlot Software produces a CD-ROM
that's called "Berlitz Think & Talk" for $125. Is this any good? Has anyone
used it or any other similar program? Any recommendations?

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: wdburns@walker2.hu.mtu.edu (WILLIAM DAVID BURNS)
Subject: Re: How do you read a corrupted Word 5 document?
Organization: CCLI Macintosh Lab, Michigan Tech University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:16:20 GMT

In some cases, we have been unable to use the "Read Any File" option when
attempting to read a corrupted Word file....our second line of defense
is to try placing the word file in PageMaker.  Sometimes this works, sometimes
not.  If things are REALLY hosed up, and the paper is REALLY important,
I'll use CanOpener or Fedit.

Good Luck!

-- 
  Bill Burns       [ Internet: wdburns@mtu.edu ]
                   [ AppleLink: SHADOW         ]
  Apple Student Rep, MTU
  Senior Macintosh Technical Consultant, CCLI LAB - Michigan Tech Univ.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: Warning and Help NEC CD Readers
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:53:23 GMT

The FWB CD-ROM ToolKit supports most poular drives (including a few NECs)
and not only makes them totally conform to Apples CD ROM standards... it
runs fine on 32bit VM 68040s.

A technical description of it can be found on page 6 of Oct 23rd MacWeek.

It precaches dirrectory and file info to make browsing as fast as a Hard disk.

It is relatively cheap and is advertised in MazZone, I think.

Bill Williams
From: kc@netcom.com (Dameon D. Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SoftAT Scandal?!?!?!?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:31:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Dec16.163105.2487
Organization: Wayne's World, Inc -- NOT!

In article <PLAU.92Dec16080801@buffoon.qucis.queensu.ca> plau@qucis.queensu.ca (Peter S. Lau) writes:
>I think Insignia probably doesn't have access on Internet. Otherwise
>we don't have to call them and verify it ourselves. I do think
>the site managers should send a join message asking the whoever got
>the "demo" should delete it since it's a commerical product, just to
>make it official.

The archivists of Mac FTP sites are *really* good about sending out
these messages. Someone accidently upload BeHierarchic 2.0, which is
commercial. Once this was determined, they posted warning about it in
the info-mac digest telling everyone that they should delete it.
Honest people will take that advice and delete it.

This "demo that's really the real thing" was unconvered when someone
called Insignia to ask about it and gave them the serial number.
Apparently, Insignia itself is going to investigate this.
-- 
Dameon D. Welch, NH6TW               kc@netcom.com OR dwelch@scuacc.scu.edu
       Sophomore CS Major at Santa Clara University, Santa Clara, CA
--
          "Don't be afraid, it's only business." -- Roger Waters
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