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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - Nov. 16, 1992
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:51:17 GMT

In article <27513@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>
>                   Washington Redskins News
>                      November 16, 1992
>
>               [... stuff deleted ...]
>
> Joe Jacoby and Earnest Byner were injured in the first quarter - on
> the same play.  Ray Brown, a guard, wounded up playing tackle, against
                                      ~~~~~~~
>
>               [... stuff deleted ...]

That is one accurate typo!

Thank God we won it all last year.  Luck has so much to do with getting
the title, and this year we are having none.  Next year will be a
revenge year, and this year is not out-of-the-question, if we can just
get the majority of our folks healthy for the playoffs (assuming we
make it, which may be too optimistic).  But I must say that to win
the superbowl these days you have to win your division and get a BYE
week during the wildcard games.  That extra week of healing will make
all the difference come playoff time this year.  And only two of the
three division winners get the BYE, so there is some real competition
in that area as well.

Regardless, the Skins will not win the division and get a BYE this
year, and thus will not win the superbowl.  Just so long as we kick
Dallas' butt in RFK all will be well.   :-)

And if we don't, I'll still be rooting for the Skins till the day I die.

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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Playoff questions
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:07:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.143148.12854@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
> I have a few questions for all of you out there.  The following is a 
> HYPOTHETICAL example of a possible playoff picture in the NFC.  Again this is 
> not a prediction (unless of course it turns out to be correct :-)).
> 
>                     Dallas    13-3      NFC East winner
>                     Min.      9-7       NFC Central winner
>                     SF        12-4      NFC West winner
>                     NO        11-5      wildcard
>                     Phil      10-6      wildcard
>                     GB :)     9-7       wildcard
> 
> 1.  NO, Phil, GB, and Min would play in the first round.  Does the division 
> winner (Min) play the worst wild card or does it go strictly by record (GB at 
> NO).


Hmm...lemme flex my rookie tie-breaking muscles...

Min. plays worst record; i.e. it plays the packers.
(1 plays 4, 2 plays 3)


> 
> 2.  If the former is true, does the fact that GB and MIN are in the same 
> division prevent it anyway?

I am not sure but I dont think that this prevents anything.

> 
> 3.  If Min were to play Phil, would Phil have home field atvantage even though 
> Min is a division winner?
> 

A wild card never has any advantage over a division winner
(unless of course it is leading in the game with 1 sec to go)

-- 
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From: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:21:35 GMT

tolsen@encore.com (Ted Olsen) writes:

>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov16.010311.24644@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>>>Question : why were the 49ers in such a hurry with 1st and goal at the
>>>seven and 50 seconds left? Huddle up and let the clock run a little bit
>>>for crying out loud! Fortunately it didn't end up costing them.
>>>
>>Perhaps it was the URGENCY of the situation, try and score ASAP.
>>But, as you say, it didn't end up costing the Niners.

>This reminds me of the Dolphin/Jet game here in Miami last year.  Behind
>by less then a touchdown in the closing minutes, the Dolphins drive the
>length of the field to face a 4th & goal from 2 or 3 yards out.  With
>40 some seconds left they called a time out. I had no problem with them
>taking the time out. My point is that they could have let the clock run
>down to about 15 seconds before they called it.  If the Dolphins score 
>the only way the Jets can win is if they run the kickoff back. If they
>don't score who cares about the 25 seconds you let run off, the games over!
>So.....  The Dolphins score and by having called the timeout to soon they
>gave the Jets the time needed to come back and win.

>Now...  on to reality...  Put yourself in Marino's position.  You
>have just driven to put the team in the position to win.  The clocks
>running with less then a minute, it's forth down, and the fans are going
>crazy.  With all this shit going on do you have the sense to let the
>clock run down before calling the timeout????

>Ted

Without being familiar with the situation it is really impossible to
second guess the team in these cases.  For Miami maybe a time-out lets the
Jets get a defensive set that prevents the score and then where are they? 
If they score, they are at least ahead and can hope to prevent the Jets
from scoring in less than a minute.  For the Niners on an earlier down,
you want to be sure that you score at all--whether you can run the clock
down is of second priority.  In this case, the Niners were right to do that.
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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.030515.6784@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimm
ers) writes:
>A moment ago, the Broncos' PK DeLuiso kicked off after a FG.  He
>immediately raised his arms in triumph.  A moment later the ball
>sailed through the uprights for what amounted to a 75-yard field
>goal.
>
>I've been watching football for over 20 years now, and I've *never*
>seen a kick like this.  Yes, it was in Mile High Stadium, and I
>believe there's a bit of wind, but -- sheesh.

Back in the days when the Bills were 2-14, I watched them beat 
Pittsburgh in Buffalo. The winds were high.
One of the teams had a kickoff through the uprights, but the 
other had a more impressive kick fly through the back of the 
endzone and land in the stands.......
Just wind! And the Tee! Thats all.

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Vikes game
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:40:49 GMT

Would someone who saw the Vikes-Browns game (and has a few
minutes) please post your impressions, or a game summary?

Thanks.

Stuck in NFL Hell,
Jim
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From: lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Christie saves Bills
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:16:45 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they were
clearly the better team.  I agree that the Bills did win the game and I'm not
saying that they didn't deserve to win, but if the Dolphins can avoid things
like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want to
know is how in hell did Buffalo win?
        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.  
        As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
going!
        As a Dolphin fan, I'd just like to say that I think the Bills got
lucky.  Granted, they pulled it off, but not my playing well.  Hey Shula...

Good Game!!!!!

    Kurt
        
(LYLE5741@iscsvax.uni.edu)
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From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: NFC dominance?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:13:54 GMT

In article <BxsHJx.7Ku@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE) writes:
>Wow.  The NFC _really_ dominated today.  Whew.
>
>Jon

 Just wait till the Superbowl!! It will be Business as Usual!
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 12
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:58:38 GMT
Keywords: NFL, Computer Predictions, LA Rams 27 Dallas 23, Woofn

>
>Green Bay      27
>Chicago        10
>
>Philadelphia    6
>NY Giants      27
>
>Dallas         24
>Phoenix        31
>
>San Francisco  21
>LA Rams        26
>
>NY Jets        13
>New England    27
>
>
>Comments welcome (and guaranteed I am sure)


I have watched this go on for awhile....but anyone willing to give
me 17 points and the Bears, 21 points and the Eagles, 4 points and
Dallas, 5 points and SF, and 14 points and the Jets....I would love
to put $20 on this 5 game parlay to win ~$300, since I would be taking
the underdogs.....

Damn, still if anyone is willing to bet....

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From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:07:37 GMT
 <92322.140241IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>  
 <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu>
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:

>   Ok, to show that Bills fans do have some sympathy, I will offer a vote to
>  all Bills fans participants of the BET II. email your vote.
> 
>  VOTE YES:  The four Dolphin fans that were involved in the bet should
>             be allowed to post again until SB 27.
> 
>  VOTE NO:   The four Dolphin fans that were involved in THE BET II should not
>             be allowed to post again until SB 27.
> 
> 
>  I am openly voting YES. I know it seems stupid, but I think they deserve to
>  post on here. It's not like they act like Giants fans, anyway.. sheesh.....                                  ^^^^^^ ^^^^

Gee, Derrell...just when I thought you were a real big guy by offering
to let the Dolfans off the hook, you go off bashing *all* Giants fans. 
Gosh, oh wise one, how do *all* us Giants fans act? As far as I can
see, we Giants fans, aside from an occasional anti-woof, have been
quite civil this season in spite of our teams dismal performance to
date (are we still bitter over a couple of years ago?...don't blame us
for Norwood!)...and yes, I know, you were probably directing your
comments to the post made by Adriene, but she DID have a point and it
could have been made by *any* fan.  Even though you guys made this bet
in fun, you should still stick to the conditions, otherwise all other
bets of this type are meaningless.

And in the event you weren't directing your comment to Adriene's post
and were indeed bashing all Giants fans, than allow me to say for all
the Giants fans out there...blow it out yer ass, pal!!

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Intentional Grounding
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:22:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

there must be a receiver who has a resonable chance
to catch the ball No Yards Just Judgment bu the inept officals!
From: tehyang@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Date: 15 Nov 1992 16:06:57 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun99.usc.edu

RAMS 27 DALLAS 23 !! 

Is this the upset of the year? Nah... the Cowboys were overrated and I was
picking the Rams to sneak up on them in this game. 

The Rams have not played this good since 89'! Everett was perfect,
Cleveland Gary rushed for 100 yards, and the defense stopped Dallas on their
final desparate drive. 

Thank you, Rams!! I'm going to respect you much more in the future. You've
just made a dejected Eagles fan's day!!

-Teh Kao
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
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Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92322.192615U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>, U58582@uicvm.uic.edu writes...
>Can anyone list the teams which in the SB beat teams they lost to in the
>regular season, if any?

I'll give you the easiest:  Super Bowl XXV.

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Results delayed
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:40:05 GMT

Its another week from hell...results will be delayed for a few days.  Sorry.

-davewood
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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:04:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.194508.28180@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:
>>"[T]he quarterback was a runner, so there is no penalty" (Young had
>>scrambled out of the pocket, and was hit when he was near the sidelines).
>>I guess I'm not surprised that there is such a rule, but I'm surprised
>>that I have not seen this scenario come up more often.
>
>Wasn't there a muffed handoff on that play?  I thought it was the one on
>which the ball bounced off the RB's body and back to Young.  He took off
>with it, and was still eligible to pass, but was officially a "runner" after
>the muff.  Then again, maybe I dozed off.

Hmmm...yes, there was a play like that, and this may have been the one.
I just don't remember. If so, then maybe it makes sense. The announcers
didn't point that aspect out.

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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:03:48 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: rec
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Keywords: Great Week

ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:

>OK, so I got a lot of flames and I only went about 7-7 this week.

>Let the record stand that I picked the Lions to cover at Pitt, the
>Packers to beat Philly, the Patriots to beat Indy by 3, San Diego
>to beat Cleveland by 1, and drumroll please......................

>LA Rams  27
>Dallas   23

>With all of the upsets, I would like to see someone else who could
>have gone 7-7 this week.

Well, my computer went 9-5 against the spread.  My rankings will
follow shortly.

Kevin
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Dolphins vs. Bills: Poor Calls
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:42:15 GMT

Much has been made about the poor officiating in last nights game, and for
good reason: it sucked.  Being a Dolphin fan I was outraged at the non-call
on the "intentional grounding" play, but for a different reason.  The ref 
did not call intentional grounding because a receiver was nearby, and that
is fine.  What irked me is that the referee should have invoked "in the 
grasp" rule before the ball was thrown; Coleman and Kelly looked like a couple
at a prom dance.  But credit Kelly: he was strong enough to keep his feet and
smart enough to dump off the ball.

In spite of all the bad calls, I don't believe they decided the game.  Each
team had bad calls against them, and the two non-TD calls that cost the Bills
4 points pretty much offset the afore-mentioned grounding play.  What ultimately
cost Miami the game is that they could not stop Thurman Thomas in the 4th
quarter, and especially on the last Buffalo series.  Some predicted that not
having Offerdahl would hurt Miami, and it appears that they were right.

Let all Dolphin and Bills fans look forward to a playoff rematch, and hope
everyone is healthy, the weather is good, and the officials are competent,
so the teams can break the 1-1 tie.  And let all Dolphin fans hope that they
can survive the next three weeks (Houston, @ New Orleans, @ San Francisco).

David, Dolphin fan
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From: ingram@stein.u.washington.edu (Doug Ingram)
Subject: Re: NFC East - Scourge of the league
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:55:44 GMT

ingram@stein.u.washington.edu (Doug Ingram) writes:

>	This past weekend's impressive performance by the NFC East
>prompted me to compile the following stats:

>Week 10 scoring:	NFC East  131
>			Opponents  37

>	For the season, the NFC East is now 17-6 against all other
>teams in the NFL (Phoenix and New York account for 5 of the losses
>and 5 of the wins, so Dallas, Philly and Washington are 12-1 against
>everyone else, with the 1 loss being Philly's loss to the Chiefs, if
>I have my numbers right).

	With that said, allow me to post the following stats from
week 11, in which the NFC East went 0-5:

Week 11 scoring:       NFC East  96
                       Opponents 136

	Amazing what one week will do to a division.  If you can't
woof yourself, who can you woof?

Doug Ingram -- ingram@u.washington.edu
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:56:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes...
>  
> I am openly voting YES. I know it seems stupid, but I think they deserve to
> post on here. It's not like they act like Giants fans, anyway.. sheesh.....
>  
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
> 
>1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
>1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Well, I'm not sure if my post to be in on THE BET II got accepted, but
if it did, I would vote YES because it is the risk of being shut out
till 27 that makes the bet valid.
I mean, we're not bookies for crise' sake I don't want to stop
these guys from entertaining me. THAT IS NOT A FLAME!!!
If they don't let you guys back in, you are welcome to E-mail me at
v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
T MAC
Now, they can add 1993 AFC East champs to the list if Buff wins next
4 games and Miami loses 1.
peace!
From: danba@pogo.wv.tek.com (Daniel J Balza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: it is starting again.... Re: Packers starting QB
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:19:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.

In article <lgkjirINN9jp@cronkite>, andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
|> In article 6359@doug.cae.wisc.edu, chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:
|> > From all I've heard Favre will be starting this Sunday, as the Pack crushes the
|> > Chicago Gophers.
|> 
|> Ahh,  yes.  Packer baiting.  I love it.  How primative.  What do you expect 
|> from someone studying the History of Cheeze ?
|> 
|> We will see the uncivilized barbarians from the North,  led by this week's
|> Packer of the Decade,  Brett Farve,  attempt to invade the thriving metropolis
|> of Chicago.  Only to be rudely turned backed,  exiled to the frozen tundra
|> known as Wisconson.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> ---
|> Andy Knipp                    |
|> Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
|> Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
|> andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |

If you're going to insult the state, at least spell it correctly!!!!!


Go Pack,  We are long overdue.

Dan