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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:18:44 GMT

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>(Family Feud? "Let's have a big hand for the Endless family: Destiny, Dream,
> Desire, Death and Delirium!" I'm figuring that Despair would have more fun
> on This Old House and that Destruction is staying out of family affairs 
> for awhile.)

Oh, gawd--isn't this the show where the host kisses all the female
contestants?  Assuming there are no unwelcome side-effects, Death
would be fine, but kissing Desire and Delerium could have nasty
consequences.

Now who in comic books would play against them?
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Simpson's Comics and Stories (was Re: Jack "King" Kirby)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:58:56 GMT

4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

>Coming in February - Simpson's Comics and Stories, by Matt Groening!
>Check it out!

Already ordered it.  Has anyone seen any artwork from it?  Let's
hope the stories have the same high quality of those used for
the TV show!

Tom
From: un032115@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Robin 3000
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:11:25 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


 
> Actually, this reminded me of the old War-of-the-Worlds characters that
> P Craig Russell was so much a part of....
> 
> Now if I could only think of the characters name...  Even had a Graphic
> Novel come out, too.


Killraven.  The stories were written by Don McGregor.

Ken Bradley
un032115@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099 #1
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 04:17:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Dani writes
>Of all the 2099 titles, this appears to have the least to offer that's new.
>The milieu is the generic-cyberpunk of 2099, but everything else about
>the title is a new Frank Castle caressing a new generation of weapons.
>But without the restraint of the current Punisher titles.  

You mean, he actually has sex with his weapons without a condom?
Bold, Marvel, very bold.

*GAK*

Honestly, The rumors of the senator running for re-election in '96 are
slightly exaggerated.

Robert Kelly
rkelly@triton.unm.edu
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From: tsait@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai)
Subject: Is that Susan Richards' new costume?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:43:52 GMT

I was just perusing CSN when I spotted the middle centerspread which 
is a big color FF ad.  It's been a while sice I've read FF (and will 
continue to be as long as DuhFalco is 'writing' it).  I have to assume that
the blond bimbo in the skimpy costume in the center of the ad is the
invisible woman.  Yeah, nice outfit.  When exactly did they introduce it
and how did the other members react to the new costume?  I always thought of
the FF as Marvel's 'first family' of superheroes and that they were supposed
to be well respected in the Marvel Universe etc.  Did they even bother 
explaining this away?  
Just curious...

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Sandman - why the lawyer died
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 09:12:12 EST

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

> 
> Speaking of labored jokes, do you suppose the death of Bernie suggests that
> our "murderer" is fond of Shakespeare?
> 

Possibly.  More likely it's that Neil Gaiman is fond of Shakespeare and 
elaborate tricks that readers may or may not get and he can do whatever 
he wants.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:35:16 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:

>Gerard Jones (okay, I'll explain this one, since so many of you
>	seem to utterly loathe him: I have never become more emotionally 
>	involved in a comic story than I did in almost every issue of
>	El Diablo. Since then, Jones' work has been uneven, but I think
>	GL: Mosaic is a brilliant experiment, and I'm delighted at the 
>	humanity he has brought to the characters of JLE (go ahead and 
>	flame--I might respond or I might not). On the other hand, I 
>	tried to read an issue of Wonder Man the other day and didn't
>	get past about page 4).

I'll second the recommendation of Jones as a fave writer.  I flat-out love his
GL books (including GUY GARDNER, and I don't find Guy appealing), and I really
liked THE SHADOW STRIKES.  (It wasn't Baker/Helfer, but hey...)  I think
characterization is his strong point, but his plots work well, too.

>and now, how about...
>The WORST writers!

>Gerry Conway (later issues of Firestorm, LSH run...I could go on...)

I find Gerry wildly uneven.  I think his best work was done on the
Spider-titles (both runs), but pretty much any team book he does has problems.

>Mike Collins (I *tried* to read Thunderbolt, I really did...)

What's the problem with THUNDERBOLT?  I'm enjoying it as a basic super-hero
book.


-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: HEPCATS #10
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: andy@dopey.cc.utexas.edu

I chatted with Martin Wagner tonight (briefly), and he had a few bits of
news.

1)Subscription copies of Hep #10 went out today; look for them at the
beginning of next week (or possibly even Saturday, especially if you
happen to live close ;-) ).

2)He is very happy that the print runs are starting to get bigger again,
and says we're getting closer to the light at the end of the tunnel.

3)He asked me to relay his profound appreciation for the support he's
been getting on the net.  Martin seemed very gratified that he was
getting discussed at all, much less almost uniformly favorably.

4)He has a request.  Those of you who can afford to, please try to go the
mail-order route; the sooner he has money, the sooner he can print the
next issue.  He also is selling the original art and has more available
than he has sold, so if you see a page (or two) that interests you, give
him a ring and see if they're available.  He said that page orders really
give him a boost.

So, there it is -- he's not resting on his laurels, but every little bit
we can do to help will smooth things out for him.  If you have a question
or comment (or want to order sketches -- BIG hint), ring him up at
(512)837-5545 between 4 pm and midnight Central time.  And mention the
net; he really does appreciate the word-of-mouth sales and reputation
he's getting.

--
--Andrew Hackard                                 If I spoke for UT, this post
  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:13:49 GMT

This comes from an email reply to my previous message.  Unfortunately,
I kept getting errors when trying to reply, so I'm posting my response.

From: jester@ihlpm.att.com (Enrique Conty)
>> I suppose this might count since at least the character was around before:
>> Silly Science Award goes to Eclipso (Solar heated water???)
>Umm... solar-powered water-heaters are common in tropical countries.
>I'm sure there's something particularly silly about this one.
>Given that I don't read ECLIPSO, would you care to explain what is it?

The gimmick with Eclipso was that the sun's rays could destroy an
Eclipso.  Like vampires.  Wait until the sun rises.  Or use these
fancy "solar collectors" which worked like flashlights.  Then, Batman
destroys an Eclipso by spraying him with "solar heated water"  And it works.

I stopped reading Eclipso at this point.
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 04:58:00 EST

cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:

> 	Here's a question I have after buying/reading _Preludes and Nocturnes_
> last Friday.  When Dream and Scott Free go to ask J'onz where Dream's ruby
> might be, they (MM and Dream) recognize each other.  Thus I'm led to believe
> that everyone in the universe knows the Endless.  If this is the case,

Not in the sense of each individual; Martian Manhunter is something of a 
mystic and attuned to realities of the universe.  Thus the Endless 
might/would be recognized by, say, a Sorcerer Supreme like Dr. Strange or 
an in-touch bloke like John Constantine on any planet in any dimension, 
the man on the street wouldn't necessarily know them.

> why this big hub-hub about Destruction leaving?  Certainly there are planets
> where war and such are still kicking in full force (ie. Apokolypse(sp)).
> 
> 	Or, is this just "one of those things" that Neil didn't really think
> out, and as subsequent issues have alluded to, the Endless and their
> mythos are earth-bound?
> 

Nonsense!  Dreams didn't end when Dream was captured, they simply went 
out of control.  Destruction's disappearance on Earth doesn't mean that 
we have no Destruction, and goodness knows "war and such are still 
kicking in full force" right here on our Earth.  (Look at Croatia, 
Lebanon, Madagascar, East Timor, Solamia, etc. etc. etc.)  It means not 
that Destruction is LESS but that there is no guiding force to give it 
meaning or limitation.

Neil Gaiman thinks *everything* out.

Namaste,
Elizabeth



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From: rfischer@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Russell Fischer)
Subject: Re: No Jaime!? (was Re: Favorite Artist Summary)
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:52:21 GMT

kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes:

>Doug Lim (lim@addvax.llnl.gov) wrote:
>:                   F A V O R I T E   C O M I C   B O O K
>:                       A R T I S T S   S U M M A R Y


>: (1) Jaime Hernandez

>This really shocks me.  Of all the non-mainstream artists I put on my
>list, I thought  Jaime would be one who'd get a decent number of
>votes.  Are there no Love and Rockets fans left?  Or do they just
>avoid threads like this one because it's so rife with Marvel and DC
>stuff?  Anyway, Jaime is a master of facial expression and body
>language, and is pretty versatile as well (he can draw everything from
>space ships to Big Time Wrestlers to super-heroes to Peanuts kids).
>While the stiry may not grab you, the art in LnR is always a treat.
>Do yourself a favor and flip through the collections the next time
>you're in a shop that has them!

>--
>Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
>"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
>Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan

i love both love and rockets and jaime (beto too) hernandez.
there seems to be little discussion of their work here, though, and i
didn't respond to the fav. artists poll.
i originally found jaime's work in mr. x, and really liked it, hich
prompted me to try love and rockets, about which i had heard much.
needless to say, i love l&r, story and art.

russ fischer

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: PAD & Pros
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:26:40 GMT

ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN):
>Therefore, I conclude that most of the people on this board are around the 
>average age of a comic book reader;  20 years of age (as of 2 years ago). 

I'd say you're off in both directions.  First, my impression is that mot
comics are bought by readers (mostly male) in their early teens.  Second,
college age tends to be a lower bound on Usenet participation:  Many
participants are significantly older.

>Why ignore us?  We're that generation that made comics so huge in the
>70's & 80's...Many of the books out there seem to be pre-adolescent drivel.

You've just answered your own question.  We're not where today's sales are.
Pre- and early-adolescent drivel is more profitable.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Swamp Thing #128 
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 10:10:41 EST

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

> My main questions, as I see the Swamp Thing once again battling deformed
> monsters and ecocidal megacorporations -- with Abby once again left to

I think this is the fatal flaw of numerous series that have had a 
brilliant run temorarily.

A good writer, sometimes a great writer, comes onto a comic.  He does new 
and original and fascinating things, and writes it well.  People notice. 
The comic becomes popular.  The writer moves on.

Then a writer, even a competent writer, comes onto the book.  He or she 
writes the same things, but they aren't new and original any more, and 
they do it over and over, and pretty soon it's dull and cliche for that 
book and people start to yawn/

The good stuff about Moore's run on Swamp Thing was not the specifics of 
battling monsters (in the case of Swamp Thing) or battling officialdom 
(in the case of Abbey) but in good, exciting writing from a writer with a 
personal vision.

You can't borrow someone else's personal visions.

Namaste,
Elizabeth



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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:27:08 GMT

In article <1ha50aINN84g@uwm.edu> manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz) 
writes:
>     This is hogwash. You don't see construction workers coming back after 
>10-15 years saying "that building is mine, I made it, I want it back" if he    
>went off crying to the local construction magazines, he'd be laughed out of
>the union. But Kirby does it, and pea-brains such as yourself are only too 
>eager to jump on his bandwagon. Just goes to show what complete fools some 
>people are....... 
Peter Michael Betz is compairing apples and oranges here.  What is involved
is the copyright laws which are a real NUTTY piece of work.  Under
the copyright law of the US EVERY article and picture posted to the
Internet is copywrited and is the property of the person who posted it.
There is one exception to this rule: if a person uses resources provided
by his employer in DEVELOPMENT of a copyrightable item then the item
is the property of the company and not the person {Universities operate
under this idea with master and doctorate thesises or development work.}
NOW comes the FUN part.  Through a set of cases copyright has been devided
into two main part: intellectial and tangable. Tangable copyright is the accual
product and opperates as explained above.  (The construction workers in
Betzs example have no basis for complaint because the construction company
and others provided the resources they needed to build the thing.  In fact so
many people are involved that NOBODY can claim the copyright.)
Intellectial copyright is where the problem comes from.  Under this
idea the IDEA behind a copyrightable item remains the property of the
PERSON who came up with it and the person "Must be fairly and adequitly
compensated for the use of the idea".  This intellectial copyright was the
whole reason behind the resent Apple vs. Apple, Apple vs IBM, and
Apple vs MicroSoft and is now being used by comic book artists.
So, they have just cause UNDER THE LAW. {Hey I don't write the stupidity
that is the US copyright laws I just explain them.}
(With laws like this no wonder everybody is suit happy.)
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From: lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:33:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.024444.27324@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <lsmith.724816545@atto> lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>>Page 14: Stanley is wearing a Flash t-shirt.
>>The Flash shirt would have a slightly different lightning bolt over a
>>white circle. This looks like a Captain Marvel shirt.
>	Could either be Golden Age Flash or Captain Marvel-- the bolt
>isn't _quite_ right for either, though closer to Cap's, I think.

Zot, maybe?  All my comics are in storage, so I can't check to see if
Zot even wore the symbol, but that's what came to mind when I looked 
it.

Laura
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Color me Dark & Streets
Keywords: Streets and dark
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:52:40 GMT
Organization: New York University

trumpet-user@oregon.uoregon.edu (Default Trumpet User) writes:

>Has any one seen the DC Hardcover "Color Me Dark" (I think that's the title
>) 


I *think* you mean Tell Me Dark...  It came out last week (or at least
that's when I saw it in the comic shop)...  It looks pretty good, but
I didn't buy it yet...


>TK
>Eugene, Oregon

	-DM

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From: raj@eng.umd.edu (Rajesh Sivarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Harbinger #0
Keywords: Valiant
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:14:27 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

Does anyone know what the difference is between the "standard"
Harbinger #0 [included in the TPB] & the "deluxe" version [the
sendaway issue using the coupons]?  Thanks in advance.

raj.
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:32:16 EST

pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

> Favorite Writers, primary list:
> -------------------------------
> 
> Alan Moore
> Frank Miller
> Paul Chadwick
> 

I can't fault your judgement here.

> Matt Wagner, when he, too, can remember about plotting

...Huh?  When did he ever forget?  This man is a brilliant plotter and 
I've never seen him lose it for as much as a panel.

> 
> Most Overrated Writer (bordering on idol worship foolishness):
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Neil Gaiman
>      His Sandman WAS good (the first twenty issues or so), but it has
>      become dreck.
> 
Well, you're the first person I have heard who thought so!  You're 
missing it, really,  Gaiman is as brilliant as everyone thinks he is, and 
then some.  Sure, he isn't *perfect* but he has managed a consistently 
intriguing series of stories with an original, sustained mythology, 
mystery, feelings, and a fair degree of profundity.  He never falls into 
the melodrama that was Alan Moore's occasional weakness, or the shock 
tactics that Frank Miller occasionally plays with, and manages to create 
moments stronger in impact than anything Paul Chadwick has done.  I'll 
forgive him a few flaws for the strength of his vision.


Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sam & Max
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:25:39 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Dec24.055632.26307@athena.mit.edu> dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:

>I'll ask about them ordering the shirts, buttons, etc.  Good idea.

Just a plug, the pins are very nice. My Max pin is presently seeing duty as
a cap badge. I wonder why there is a Max pin and a Sam and Max pin, but no
Sam pin? 

>Oh, and I finally had Orange Circus Peanuts last week (!!).  I have yet
>to try Sizzling Weasel on a Stick, though.  But I have been to Stuckey's
>and have a map of all Stuckey's nationwide on my wall...(sad, isn't it? :-)

Orange Circus Peanuts are things I thought looked great when I was a kid,
but every time I had one, I'd get sick. Still I kept buying them

Anyway, the good news out of Cap City is the following:

"The Sam & Max Show #1              $2.95
 Color. [Of 3] Purcell/M. Mignola/Art Adams/
 C-Painted cover by Steve Purcell
 Shipping March 18 from Ronalds.
 The side-splitting new limited series by cult-favorite Steve Purcell
 premieres! In the lead story, Max is shot, and Sam finds a new partner.
 Skullboy and Rusty Razorclam demonstrate bizarre antics in the second
 feature. Recommended."

So reemind to bother your local retailer about ordering lots of copies
or at least ordering one especially for you!

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Good grief! He's dead! He must have cracked his 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shell when you pulled that football away. Maybe
  Idea shamelessly stolen,  |  we can get your brother to bury him in the 
   then slightly modified.  |  pumpkin patch with the others."    _Peanuts_ 
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From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: The Shadow
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 08:54:45 GMT

In article <C0573u.5p6@news.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>This is probaby more for my friend at the comic book store that I go to,
>but they would personally kill to read the follow up storyline to "Body
>and Soul" in the Helfer and Baker _Shadow_ series.  That was the one
>that preceeded the _Shadow Sucks_ ....I mean _Shadow Strikes_ sereies.
>Dc promised to print the follow up storyline in a GN, but never did.
>The cliff hanger at the end of that series really gets to them. I think
>they still hate DC to this day.

Conde Nast, the owners of The Shadow, told DC to either switch horses and
put out a Shadow that was true to the character, as they promptly started
doing with "The Shadow Strikes!" or stop publishing the character.  They
refused to even grant permission for the followup GN at any amount of
money.  Though I *loved* the Shadow Helfer/Baker series more than any
other comic coming out at that time, I can see where they were coming
from.  The Shadow as cyborg warrior fighting Shiwan Kahn as cyborg warrior
might have been wildly wacky to read, I have no doubt, but it sure
wouldn't have much at all to do with the Shadow as most fans of the Shadow
pulps and radio shows knew him. 
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