HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Digital News and Review's irresponsible attitude
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:32:40 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) writes:

#In article <6156@npri6.npri.com>, richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head) writes:

#> Perhaps they are irrelevant to you.  Believe it or not, some people
#> (obviously not quite the established Computer Scientist you are)
#> like to make comparison to a REFERENCE STANDARD (SPECmarks), so they can
#> compare machines, regardless of vendor.  How can they do this with MicroVUPs?
#> (That's right, Einstein, tell me how many MicroVUPs an IBM RS6000 has!
#> That's exactly the information I'm looking for!)

#  At the risk of actually adding some _content_ to this flamefest 8-), I am
#interested in the performance of systems which run VMS because I want to buy
#them (if they perform well) and run VMS on them. If VMS ever becomes avail-
#able for the RS6000, then I'd be interested in knowing it's MicroVUP rating
#(which I assume DR&N would gladly supply).

Even if they're is a MicroVUP rating, I wouldn't use it.  The RS6000 and
VAX architectures are such different animals, I consider the "MicroVUP"
unit of measurement suspect when applied to this (or any foreign machine).
It would be comparing apples and oranges.  With SPECmarks, at least there
is a common test suite used to derive the performance rating.

#  If that's the market that DR&N is catering to, then I can see why they use
#the ratings that they do. There are some problems with the "VUP" rating sys-
#tem in general (but that doesn't stop DEC from using it) and with "MicroVUPs"
#in particular.  ([...] deleted)

I agree with all that, but at least the "VUP" wasn't invented as the
result of mental masturbation by some editor at DR.  "VUP" is more widely
used than "MicroVUP".  How many other publications besides DR use "MicroVUP"?

-- 
richard@npri6.npri.com  <Richard Head>
Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:4913 comp.sys.dec.micro:501 misc.forsale.computers:32818 vmsnet.pdp-11:660 ne.forsale:3992
From: rocker@csa.bu.edu (The Long Haired One)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.dec.micro,misc.forsale.computers,vmsnet.pdp-11,bu.forsale,mit.bboard,ne.forsale
Subject: Misc DEC manuals forsale
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:27:01 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Distribution: comp,misc,vmsnet,bu,mit,ne
Organization: Boston University


Buyer pays shipping on the following items.

LA34  Users Guide ($5)
LA120 Users Guide ($5)
LS120 DECwriter III (not LA120) ($7 set of 2)
     -operator guide 
     -"1200 baud printer terminal user's manual"
VT103 LSI-11 Video Terminal User's Guide ($5)

vt220 ($15 set of 3)
      -programmer pocket guide 
      -owner man
      -installing guide
vt320 Programmer Ref man ($8)
vt330/vt340 Programmer Pocket Guide ($5) 
vt330/vt340 installing and using ($5) 
vt330/vt340 Programmer Ref Man Vol 1: text programming ($10) 
vt330/vt340 Programmer Ref Man Vol 2: graphics programming ($10) 

pdp11/34 processor handbook 1976 ($5)
logic system design handbook 1972 ($5)
microcomputers and memories 1982 ($5)
Vax 11/780 software handbook vol. 3 1977-78 ($5)

LN03      Programmer Ref Man ($8) 
LN03-Plus Programmer Ref Man ($8)
LN03A     installing and using ($8)
LN03R     programmer's supplement ($8)

LA75  Programmer Ref Man ($8) 
LVP16 owners manual ($5)
LVP16 programmer ref man ($5)

email rocker@cs.bu.edu
From: morse@quark.mpr.ca (Daryl Morse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: OpenVMS, OSF/1, Windows NT...oh my!
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:48:45 GMT
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, BC, Canada.


In article <1992Sep07.180426.11417@cadlab.sublink.org> martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli) writes:

   lsgriffith@gems.vcu.edu writes:
	   ...
>   :I think it would be a very strong and positive strategic statement for
>   :DEC to have one box capable of running all THREE operating systems!

>   I think it spells confusion.

Yah, the market is pretty confused, wanting DOS, Windows, OS/2,
Windows/NT, UNIX, ULTRIX, OSF/1, DG-UX, HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, SCO,
VMS, RSTS, VM, MVS, MPE, etc., etc., etc. DEC should force the entire
market to use one operating system by only supporting <take your pick>
on the Alpha systems. 8-) Try and tell me that wouldn't go over like a
lead balloon.

>   :What other workstation would be able to boast such flexibility?

>   Any workstation based on Intel-386 and similar chips.  Far more than three
>   operating systems are available and reasonably popular on such boxes.

Sure, you can count far more than three if you include DOS, OS/2 *,
Windows *, and UNIX * as separate operating systems. I wouldn't be
quite so generous!  You may not think it's of value, but the ability
to run VMS on an Intel x86 or Px is something that will, IMHO, never
see the light of day. So given that Alpha supports Windows/NT, OSF/1,
and VMS, it has a leg up on Intel in that respect, IMHO.

--
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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:03:38 GMT

Trip Martin (night@acm.rpi.edu) wrote:
: In <1992Sep9.191159.29861@cc.ic.ac.uk> vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau) writes:
: 
: >In article <1992Sep06.033204.4890@utoday.com>, wagner@utoday.com (Mitch Wagner) writes:
: > -- 
: > --        Which computer and/or operating-vendor has the greatest
: > --        commitment to open systems? Which has the least? Why?
: > -- 
: >Clearly, IBM. it is still the greatest computer vendor by a factor of five or 
: >so, and it tells us it is totally commited to open systems.
: 
: Greatest?  I hardly think so.  Largest, certainly.  Incidentally, isn't
: IBM the company one of whose executives was quoted as saying "You don't
: want to get locked into open systems."?

Actually, IBM has always struck me as being the least interested in
open systems - traditionally, most of IBM's systems were "anti-open" -
you had to buy the hardware, sw, support, etc. all from IBM.  The
FTC and competition has forced them to be open, but for the most 
part they seem to be open only when forced to be.  Many other companies
have been using "open systems" as a major strategy for years, while
IBM is relatively new at the game.  Whether Microsoft is any more
open is open for debate, but IBM certainly isn't.

: -- 
: Trip Martin
: night@acm.rpi.edu
: --
: Trip Martin
: night@acm.rpi.edu

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
From: george@tusk.med.harvard.edu (George Planansky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: ultrix 4.2 MAKEDEV expr regex seems wrong ?
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:43:28 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School, Boston MA

An Ultrix 4.2 (DEC 5000/200) /dev/MAKEDEV has an
expr regex with a leading  "," (comma), which makes no
sense to me:

  for fullname
  do

  tryname=`expr $fullname : ',*\(.[a-zA-Z]*\)'`
  tryunit=`expr $fullname : '[^0-9]*\([0-9]*\)'`
  trypart=`expr $fullname : '[^0-9]*[0-9]*\(.*\)'`
  if test $silent -eq 0 ; then
	  echo "MAKEDEV: special file(s) for "$fullname": "
  fi

Is this a typo lurking in the distributed MAKEDEV?  

--
George Planansky
Department of Biological Chemistry & Molecular Pharmacology
Harvard University Medical School, 240 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115
email: gplanansky@tusk.med.harvard.edu
phone: (617) 432-3919
fax:   (617) 432-4360
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: DEC5000 MIPS
Keywords: DEC5000
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:52:49 GMT

In article <laie6hINN4dn@panda.cs.utexas.edu> zhu@cs.utexas.edu (Kai Zhu) writes:
>Do anyone know how fast DEC5000/200 workstation is ?
>I would like to know the MIPS of the workstation.

The "MIPS" of a DS5000 is, of course, the processor.  (Sorry, I couldn't
resist this one... ;-)

You'll find find a full set of specs for all the DEC workstations on
gatekeeper.dec.com, in directory /DEC/performance (I think).
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Questions about DECstation 5000/25 Hardware
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:13:16 GMT

   I have a couple of simple questions about the Personal DECstation 5000/25.
First, on the back of the machine, there is a modular port with a picture of a
musical note and a telephone handset above it.  Could someone describe what
this port is for, and give the pinouts for it?

   Second, I recently discovered that the DS5000/25 has 8-bit audio output
capability, a la the Sun systems.  I am looking for some way to get audio into
it, to digitize the audio.  Does the DS5000/25 have built-in audio digitizing,
like the NeXT systems?  If it doesn't, where could I get an audio digitizer
for the DS5000/25, and how much would it cost?

   Answers to any of these questions would be appreciated.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.misc
From: ecldco@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.C. Loyd)
Subject: Re: ?Guess what workstation I am.
Originator: ecldco@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:32:33 GMT

In article <47.2aaa29e2@forthd.uucp> johnl@espace writes:
>
>   
> 	I have a friend that got a pallet load of the following 
>        DEC workstations:
> 
>         They say KODAK on the box, but the sticker on the back says
> 	VID08.  It has a MVII cpu, 6 (or more, don't recall) megs of
> 	memory, a mono VR419 19 in monitor & ethernet connections.
> 
> 	What this apparently was used for was some kind of publishing
> 	system Kodak sold. Kodak has not been helpful with info.
> 
> 	What can you use these for?  Are they worth anything?
> 
> 	Thanks -   johnl@espace
> 

Sounds like the Kodak KIMS workstations.  Here in Rochester (where Kodak
is based) they were basically throwing them on the curb.  They make good
X-terminals, and the uVAX is a perfectly good working machine.

-Eric

-- 
Eric C. Loyd                            ecldco@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
ISC/Data Center Operations              Phone: (716) 475-7320
Rochester Institute of Technology       FAX:   (716) 475-5306
Rochester, NY  14623  USA               All-In-One: LOYD EC (@a1.isc.rit.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix
From: grunwald@mumble.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald)
Subject: Re: Digital News and Review's irresponsible attitude
Reply-To: grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
	<1309@niktow.canisius.edu> <6136@npri6.npri.com>
Distribution: world,local
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:31:34

>>>>> On 7 Sep 92 15:23:31 GMT, richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head) said:

RH> Is this a serious question, or are you just demonstrating how
RH> Stupid you are?
	...
RH> been overtaken by MV3100, VAXstation 3100, etc.  Maybe a long time when
RH> compared to your attention span.
	...
RH> Bullshit.
	...
RH> You moron.
---

your adroit debating skills have certainly made your point.
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 16:57:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <BuCytz.1IG@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>The last open system I used actively was a VAX 750; the hardware was
>documented sufficiently well that one could write operating system code
>for it (without having to beg, grovel, sign non-disclosure agreements,
>bribe your vendor, sue your vendor, or sell your soul to the devil).

There are folks who will want to skin me for this, but there's a company
building open systems by this definition: IBM. The System/3x0 hardware is
documented completely, even pedantically, in the Principles of Operation
books. There are even cloners who work from nothing but those books.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin)
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:43:56 GMT

In <1992Sep9.191159.29861@cc.ic.ac.uk> vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau) writes:

>In article <1992Sep06.033204.4890@utoday.com>, wagner@utoday.com (Mitch Wagner) writes:
> -- 
> --        Which computer and/or operating-vendor has the greatest
> --        commitment to open systems? Which has the least? Why?
> -- 
>Clearly, IBM. it is still the greatest computer vendor by a factor of five or 
>so, and it tells us it is totally commited to open systems.

Greatest?  I hardly think so.  Largest, certainly.  Incidentally, isn't
IBM the company one of whose executives was quoted as saying "You don't
want to get locked into open systems."?
-- 
Trip Martin
night@acm.rpi.edu
--
Trip Martin
night@acm.rpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: ddlee@athena.mit.edu (Daniel D Lee)
Subject: 3rd Party Tape Drive & Memory for DS5000/240
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:03:49 GMT

Our group recently bought a DECstation 5000/Model 240 and I'm currently
shopping around for some more 8MB RAM modules and a backup storage device for
its 1GB RZ57.  At the moment, I'm looking at a 4mm DAT device called
Archive Python and have no clue as to where to start with 3rd party memory
distributors.  I'm trying to keep the price for all this at around $2K
and since the DEC quoted prices for their items still seemed relatively
high even with their educational discount, I'm attempting to figure out
which cheap 3rd party devices are reliable and fully compatible, i.e.
are device drivers available, etc.
If anyone has had any previous experience with this, I'd appreciate it
if he or she could e-mail me (ddlee@athena.mit.edu).  Any info would help.
Thanks a lot.

-Dan

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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Non-Interactive dump for RISC Ultrix 4.2 [it is]
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:47:54 GMT
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA

george@tusk.med.harvard.edu (George Planansky) writes:
> This is NOT to be confused with the Sun's SunOS and SGI's IRIX dumps' 
> "b" parameter, which refers to a blocking factor.  (Why doesn't the
> Ultrix dump have this?)

I hate this too.  I'm nervous since I don't know what sort of blocking
factor I'm using when using Ultrix's dump and would like to make sure I'm
using something optimal (8K bytes) for my Exabyte 8200 drive.

Is it safe to to get BSD4.3 dump/rdump
(ftp.uu.net:/packages/bsd-sources/sbin/dump) and use that under Ultrix 4.2A?

Obiligatory whine:  I end up replacing a lot of Ultrix utilities with BSD
stuff (and other stuff, including GNU) every time I do an Ultrix
installation.  I seem to do less replacing under SunOS 4.[12]. Why can't
Ultrix be at least BSD4.3-reno-ish?

--
Eiji Hirai <hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu>    :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Unix Geek for Swarthmore College        :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Information Services, Swarthmore, PA, USA.      Copyright 1992 by Eiji Hirai.
I don't speak for Swarthmore College.                    All Rights Reserved.
From: paul@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Lansky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: DRQ3B interface for sale
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:46:14 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

DRQ3B, smart Q-Bus DMA interface, for sale
manuals included.

Best offer 

Paul Lansky
paul@princeton.edu
From: bruce@camb.com (Barton F. Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: How to connect a TU80 Tape drive to a Vax 11/730 PLS HELP
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:37:20 EDT
Followup-To: j.perry@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu
Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc.

In article <7389@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu>, j.perry@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Jeffrey Perry) writes:
> 
>     The Northeastern University Amateur Radio club recently received a 
>   a donation of two TU80 tape drives from the College of Computer Science
>   (also at NU) Now, our task is to learn how to connect them to our 
>   vax 11/730. Can anyone tell me what, if any,  special cards we will need

Something like a Dilog DU132 or DU142 would allow 4 of them to be connected.
If you get the original DEC controller it allows 1, but since that is really
a Dilog DU132 with castrated microcode, you might be successful swapping in
DU132 eproms to let you run both on the single controller.

Unibus controllers should be VERY cheap these days.

The TU80 is a decent CDC drive. You might want to avoid back-coated tapes
like 3M's Black Watch (#700), but I don't want to start a religous war here.
Some folks LOVE #700 in those drives despite DEC's dire warnings.
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From: johnl@forthd.uucp (John Lebert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.misc
Subject: ?Guess what workstation I am.
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:55:14 GMT
Reply-To: johnl@espace
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fourth Dimension, Portland OR


   
 	I have a friend that got a pallet load of the following 
        DEC workstations:
 
         They say KODAK on the box, but the sticker on the back says
 	VID08.  It has a MVII cpu, 6 (or more, don't recall) megs of
 	memory, a mono VR419 19 in monitor & ethernet connections.
 
 	What this apparently was used for was some kind of publishing
 	system Kodak sold. Kodak has not been helpful with info.
 
 	What can you use these for?  Are they worth anything?
 
 	Thanks -   johnl@espace
From: fredv@abba.acs.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS, OSF/1, Windows NT...oh my!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:45:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.152449.96@gems.vcu.edu> lsgriffith@gems.vcu.edu writes:
>machines.  I understand that the "alpha chip" will be able to run 
>OSF/1, OpenVMS and Windows NT.  What I want to know is will the same
>physical machine be capable of running any one of the three? ...... 

So far DEC has shown OSF/1 and OpenVMS running on the same Alpha 
machine types (desktop and deskside workstations) in various shows. 
There have also been announcements about an Alpha based Windows NT
PC under development (using PC type components like bus and graphics).
My personal feeling is that it will take a while for OSF/1 and OpenVMS
to be ported to the Alpha PC since so many drivers need to be written
for them, but don't know what the status of WNT is on the workstations
and servers. 

Also note that the ability to run various O/S's on the same box may
not necessarily mean that you receive the license to run all O/S's
with the box. For example if you buy a VAX which is capable of VMS and
Ultrix right now, you only get the license to run one of them. The 
license for the other OS is an extra charge item.

While we are on the same subject, does anyone want to "guess" what
the Alpha based systems are going to be called? Somehow ALPHAstation, 
ALPHAsystem and ALPHAserver don't sound right!

Fred Velijanian
University of California, Irvine
fredv@uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: sergio@portal.vpharm.com (Sergio Rotstein)
Subject: CD-ROM DRIVERS FOR VMS
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals Incorporated
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:23:13 GMT

this is a follow-up on an earlier posting. 

I've seen a lot of answers about software to allow playing music on the
CD-ROM drive on VAXstations. However, all that software is for those machines
running ULTRIX. I have a vax 4000/60 with the RRD42 CD-ROM drive but I am
using DECwindows under VMS and not ULTRIX. For the life of me I can't find
any software out there that will let me listen to music.
surely I'm not the only site running VMS am I?

Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. Oh, I forgot to
say that I don't have any compilers on this machine, so I need to get 
the executable files directly. Help!

Sergio.
(sergio@vpharm.com)
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Rumor- 486/50mhz less than $1000
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:43:55 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

Dear Netters, I heard a rumos that ibm, dec, and major ps makers are
going to make a 50mhz 486 for under $1000 to try and nuke the clone
market.  the rumor was someone from DEC said that...  Any one know,
or can tell??

Jim

-- 
         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
   /\_/     '   \  /   MCV-VCU           This tape will self destruct in
 /________________>    Richmond, Va      five seconds.  Good luck, Jim..."
From: d_north@ondec.lonestar.org (David G. North, CCP)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: VS2000 mouse / PC mouse??
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:42:33 GMT
Organization: onDEC systems, Dallas, TX

I was going to post a long sad story about having to replace my VS2000 mouse
that went berzerk, but decided to keep it short instead.  The bad mouse used
a 'ball' to follow motion, and the one I replaced it with has 2 little rotating
feet that don't work very well off-axially.  So, I'd like to either fix the
first mouse, or replace it with a trackball.

1) Inside the first mouse is a Logitech chip # LGB540 and a Logitech mechanism.
   (Assumption... maybe other Logitech products would work?)
2) I did find a trackball, but the price was $200+ which I don't want to pay.
   (And that was the 'light-duty'... the 'good' one was $370 or something :{{ ).

Does anyone know if there's a "simple" way to take a mouse and/or trackball for
some sort of PC & replace the cable to fit the VS2000?  More specifically, are
there PC pointer devices out there that are signal-compatible with the VS2000?
(I could probably deal with the re-wiring if only it were that simple :{ )

Any help would be appreciated.
-- 
David G. North, CCP
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