HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: SLS Mail/News?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:51:33 GMT

Jim Segrave (jes@grendel.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: In article <1992Nov22.150653.1148@sol.UVic.CA> you write:
:  
: > Also, anyone using .98p5 will need to remove the seg fault upon code
: > writes in order to use mail.  I tried finding the place in mail where
: > this happens, but if I run it from "gdb" it doesn't happen :-<.
: 
: grep for mktemp in the sources. Find the string which is the first
: parameter 'lettmp' is one such. Find the definition of this parameter and
: if its of the form char *lettmp = "...", change it to char lettmp[] = "...",
: Then go find any extern's referencing the variable in any other files and
: make sure they are declaring them as extern char lettmp[]; (or whatever),
: not extern char *lettmp;
: Fix resolve() in sendrmt.c. If it doesn't find the usr/libs/pathalias
: file (or some such), resolve drops off the end of the function without
: returning a valid pointer (it should be NULL).
: The code for mail is an atrocious - a good sample of why C has a bad
: name in the rest of the programming world.

Better yet, don't use it at all.  the mail included with mailpak-1.3 was
intended to be a provisional measure until a better solution could be
found.  Get smail-3.1.28 - it's a much better mailer.

mail will *not* be included in mailpak-1.4, BTW...I've stopped using it
long ago.


I don't agree with your assertion that C has a "bad name in the rest of the
programming world".  Is your programming world composed of programmers
writing COBOL applications?  C gives one the ability, the freedom, to write
any manner of code desired.  If one wants to write beautiful code, the
opportunity is there.  If one wants to write ugly code, C will not stop you.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: VM wizards - verify this please
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:16:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <5623@krafla.rhi.hi.is> sigurasg@rhi.hi.is (Sigurdur Asgeirsson) writes:
>
>  I downloaded the linux sources and browsed through the mm directory.
>Could someone please tell me if the following is TRUE (*chuckle*), the
>sources are not very readable.
>
>1. Linux does not swap page tables.

True.  I didn't think it was worth it (still don't) as swapping the page
tables would mean that you'd have to check a lot more about
race-conditions etc.  The 386 can handle swapped page-tables, but I
doubt they take up that much space that it would be worth it.  Linux
does give each process a 3GB (user) + 1GB (kernel) virtual memory space,
but it's sparsely filled, so the page tables shouldn't usually be very
many (4-5 of pages per process should be normal). 

>2. On fork:
>   All page tables are cloned
>   All referenced pages that are in-core are made read only in both page tables
>   and the share count bumped (mem_map[i]++)
>   All referenced pages that are on disk are swap_dup - ed

True.  Simple enough.  Again, cloning the page tables isn't that
expensive (mostly), and it means we know that the page tables are always
correct and up-to-date.  Less to check for later, fewer races. 

>3. When swapping out:
>   All pagetables are searched for in-core pages and those are swapped
>   out by saving them to disk, decrementing the share count and freeing
>   if share count == 0.
>   This result in multiple copies of shared pages in swap, and, on next
>   reference, in memory, does it not? (and why all the ','?)

Yes.  This should be rewritten: I actually did a simple LRU-like
algorithm to test things in 0.97 or so, but that one had some problems
(it needed tweaking - it got so good at searching for unused pages that
interactive processes got swapped out a bit too easily, leading to bad
interactive performance). 

		Linus
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rickm@eng.auburn.edu (Rick Martindale)
Subject: Where is mconv ? ( mouse conversion for PS2 mouse )
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:41:29 GMT

I am looking for the source to mconv. 

please respond by email to : rickm@eng.auburn.edu

Thanks 
Rick


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: injoh@rz.tu-clausthal.de (Jochen Hein)
Subject: German Keyboard and Umlauts for Linux
Organization: TU Clausthal, Germany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:09:21 GMT

Hello,

I use Linux/X11 on a machine with a german Keyboard. I have recomiled
the Kernel with the german-keyboard and use .Xmodmap for X.
They are running both find.
But now I'd like to use real german umlauts. What have I to do
to make Linux 8-bit-clean? In ASCII umlauts have ASCII-Codes greater 127.

Please Post to this News-Group. I can't receive mail.

Than you
    Jochen
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
From: richard@borneo.gmd.de (Richard Czech)
Subject: wanted: info about linux file system 
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: richard@borneo.gmd.de
Organization: GMD, German National Research Center for Computer Science
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:54:28 GMT


 
Hi LINUX people!

A friend of mine needs information about the linux file system 
for a thesis in his study. If anybody can answer one of the following
questions or knows about literature please send me an e-mail.

The general subject is "The LINUX File System". Some of the related
questions are:

- How is the LINUX file system structured?

- How are the inodes or vnodes structured?

- Does LINUX do buffered write? Is there a sync? Is there an
  update process?

- How are DOS- and MINIX-disks mounted under LINUX?

- How is the superblock structered?

So if anybody can give some hints and wants to help a student
please answer. As I'm not a read of this group (I don't know
LINUX, anyway), please answer by e-mail to my address.

Thanks in advance!


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From: root@umibox.hanse.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: EFS still buggy under heavy load?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:31:47 GMT
Organization: Linux Box standing around in Hamburg, Germany

I just got ~7 MB news via uucp, and my machine was really doing much
disk accesses. Now afterwards I was ineterested in how much news I got
(uncompressed), and so did 
# cd /usr/spool/news
# du

This was fine until it reached the end of the comp-groups. There is nothing
after the line

18076 ./comp

I had the efs spit on me before, but that is long ago and killed a directory
in a way that when accessing it, the machine died and had to be rebooted.

STOP! CORRECTION! The process just started working again :-)
So now I know how much news I have. It still bothers me that there is this
pause of several seconds after ./comp!

Any idea? Remy Card?

Bye,
    Bernie

(Now proud administrator of his own uucp-point, and saving lot's of money 
reading news locally :-)


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ljacobs@panix.com (Lenny Jacobs)
Subject: Help needed obtaining Linux
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:40:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Would someone, preferrably close to Long Island, New York, who has a
copy of a recent version of Linux (.097, .098) be willing to share a
copy with me on diskette? I will supply diskettes (any kind of 5.25
that you need), postage, money for your trouble, etc. I can't seem to
get it here at Panix because I don't have ftp privledges. Please reply
to me here at Panix, on the phone (516-472-3806 or 3888) or by mail
(Lenny Jacobs, 3 Jet Lane, Holbrook, NY 11741). Thanks in advance.

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From: jack@solucor.uucp (Jacques Gelinas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: looking for useful TCP program
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:31:36 GMT
Organization: solucorp

s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:

>In article <Bxt98z.6I0@cs.bham.ac.uk> row@cs.bham.ac.uk (Reuben O Wells) writes:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I am looking for a couple programs, one which takes a hostname and optionally
>>a port number, reads data from stdin and the other which runs on the remote
>>machine writes all data received on a specified port to stdout.

>Look in the archives of comp.sources.unix for a program called
>'socket(1)'. This is exactly what you want.

why not using rsh

I do often on systemb:

rsh systema dd if=/dev/rst1 bs=1024k | tar xvf -  

-- 

--------------------------------------------------------
Jacques Gelinas (jacques@solucor.uucp)
Maintainer of US4BINR jacques@us4binr.uucp jacques%us4binr.uucp@uunet.uu.net
From: jga@dreaml.wariat.org (Jon Anhold N8USK)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS and Minicom
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 00:42:04 EST
Organization: Dreamland Network Systems, Cleveland OH, 44116

I keep getting a Segmentation Fault (core dumped) when I try to start
minicom with the -s flag.. Anyone know why? Also, I tried getting pcomm to
work, but it can't find some file: /lib/libc_v2_11c...

Any help for a novice? :)

-j

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Packaging Linux
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:08:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.160444.16116@scifi.uucp> njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich) writes:
>In article <17612@mindlink.bc.ca> Neklan_Brozensky@mindlink.bc.ca (Neklan Brozensky) writes:
>
>I personally think that another essential for mass-usage is going to
>be a filesystem that doesn't require sync() or fsck.  This isn't an
>impossible task, and yes, there is a performance hit, but I don't
>think you are going to sell a system to the masses that they can't
>turn off whenever they want to.
>
This isn't really a function of the filesystem so much as U*IX-like os's 
standard use of buffer caching to speed disk access.  I think that the
performance hit for disk intensive jobs is higher than you think...
(try dyking out the buffer cache code in the kernel, if you want to try,
or easier put sync in the crontab to go off every second, come to think
of it, thats a way to make a system for people who insist on no buffering)

as for selling "a system to the masses", apart from the question of whether
Linux could be sold to the masses and whether that is desirable I think
that the Macintosh has sold pretty well...

jem.


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Admin)
Subject: Various Questions
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:59:38 GMT

Hi...

	Based on the recommendations of a friend...I'm getting
intrigued with Linux.  I'm currently running a Public Access site on
ISC SVR3.2 (the old version) and it is a bare bones thing.  No
X-windows, no TCP/IP.  I was considering upgrading to SysVR4 (ESIX),
but Linux has an advantage over it...it is free...which would be great
if it supported things and was reliable.

	So...what I would like to know is...is it something that me
and my users could rely on?

	1) will it support an AST 4Port board?
	2) how is the ESDI support?
	
	Basically...what can I expect or not expect from Linux?

	I realize that this is vague, but figure it should act as a
start at least :)

Marc

P.S. please reply by email if you can...but do not send an FAQ...I can
     read that here...I prefer email as then I don't miss something
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From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Packaging Linux
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:21:54 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

Quoting rick@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) in article <1eqmsaINNb3l@uwm.edu>:
><ACPS7221@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> (Michael Somethingorother) writes:
[>Why can't we use Doc as a word processor]
[because it needs X and we need a text editor before X is running.]

But he didn't ask about text editors, he asked about word processors. 
We need a thing like a word processor; there's no way we're asking
ordinary users to use TeX.  In fact, what we really need is a WYSIWYG
DTP system in freeware.  Well, I can dream, can't I?
  __                                _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul."  \X/
From: Vince.Giambalvo@f1.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Vince Giambalvo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: RE: Connection to echo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:16:37 -0800

 RL> All we've gotten of the LINUX echo in the last week is the 
 RL> occasional message from a Canadian FidoNet site.  What's going on 
 RL> with the traffic?  Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
Yes, we are also.            Vince 


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 * Origin: .\\ystical .\\adrigal  -=HST=-  VetLink #11 - SoundNet! 
(1:327/1.0)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: K111114@kuemmel2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Herbert Rosmanith)
Subject: Mr. Ross Biro please ! :-)
Organization: PC Cluster im TNF Turm
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 09:07:41 GMT

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My mailer refuses to send mail to you , so i will post this to the newsgroup.



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Subject:      icmp.h et. al.
To:           bir7@leland.standford.edu
 
Hello Mr. Ross Biro.
 
I have just been trying to port ping.c, and found out that in icmp.h there are
some dataportions missing. I looked at the header files at a SunSparc ][, and
copied the fields from there. This made it neccessary to build a new include
file, "systm.h". Once the file did compile, I still got an error at run-time,
it is called "icmp: protocol unknown". the error came from "getprotobyname",
but I don't know where to find this call. Maybe it is in libinet.a ? I don't
know where to get the source for libinet ... So I decided to fill the proto-
colnumber by hand, looked up protocols.h and found "1". When I created a socket
with s=socket(AF_INET,SOCK_RAW,1) I got a "socket: protocol not supported.
Ugh, that's strange, coz I know that the code for icmp exists, in net/tcp.
I'm trying to lookup what's wrong, perhaps missconfiguration of the kernel,
but if you know a quicker way out of this problem, please let me know :-)
I'm trying to port little software stuff like netstat, ping, et. al.
 
Thanks for your time, Herp. (Herbert Rosmanith)
From: ins741u@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Markfried Fellensiek)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is this a good configuration?
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:10:14 GMT
Organization: Monash University

>Diamond Speedstar 24bt 1MB VGA


When is the 2.5Mb (or more) version of this card coming out?
(so that 1024x768 at 24bit will be possible.)

Markfried.
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: ARGH! heh.
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:29:43 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ) writes:
>   Basically, I'm asking what the hell command line should I use to untar
>a .tar.Z file rawritten to a 1.2M drive a:??? Thanks....

At least some versions of the root disk have a non-GNU tar, which does
not understand the z option (for working with .tar.Z type files).  Try
using a pipeline with zcat and tar:

	zcat < /dev/fd0 | tar tvf -

(the above should print out the contents of the rawritten compressed
tar in the first floppy drive).

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
From: daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Packaging Linux
Summary: I'm an ALIEN from another PLANET
Keywords: X11 windows Linux packaging
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:58:27 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

I was reading this morning in a local computer paper about NeXT software and
how the NeXT is the only computer with "a consistent and user friendly" user
interface across almost all applications excluding the Macintosh.

This got me thinking about the innadequacy of raw X windows and the
applications already built.  Most applications aren't terribly user
friendly, and certainly aren't consistent.  I know there are packaged
environments for X out there that have this sort of internal consistency and
user friendliness (Interviews struck me as kind of nice) but they have not
caught on, etc.

If we want to bring Linux to the "joe average user" market instead of the
power hacker market, we have to do something about the rather arcane nature
of Unix applications.

What I'm thinking of is this: imagine turning on your computer, booting up
Linux, and immediately getting a login prompt in a window.  Then it would
run your window manager, pop up a Mac or NeXT like file manager, and the
file system would be packaged so that there would be a large selection of
finished, glossy, X based applications with a common user interface -- a
word processor, lots of utilities, some games, perhaps even a spreadsheet.

Can anybody suggest to me a package of stuff that we could include in a
package for free that would include file manager, utilities, window manager,
etc.?  I could get to work on constructing a package much like the SLS,
except window based?

-- 
"And men are men who till the land, and women are women who weave, fifty men
 own the lemon grove, and no man is a slave." -- Herbert Read

Comrade @ LambdaMOO (telnet lambda.parc.xerox.com 8888) daum@bode.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Subject: Joe won't go
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:48:55 GMT

I was quite anxious when I saw the announcement for joe 1.0.  After
searching for a bit I found the sources on tsx-11: 
pub/linux/sources/usr.bin/joe.tar.Z.  I downloaded the sources and 
compiled (make posix).  It compiles without warning out of the box.
So far so good.  

However, when I run joe it text mode, all I get is a mess on the
screen.  It seems as though joe is having trouble positioning the
cursor for writing to the screen.

Things are a bit better in X.  I get the familiar joe screen, (online
help works, etc), but the cursor keys don't work properly.  Down arrow
moves the cursor right and right arrow doesn't do anything.

Some usefull info might be:
  - I am running gcc2.2.2d from HJ's gcc/lib disks
  - my termcap comes from Jim and HJ's root disk.
  - emacs and vi work just dandy in text and X
  - in text mode TERM=console, in X TERM=xterm
  - running linux 0.98pl3+

What am I doing wrong?


Also, best I can tell, it is *hardwired* into main.c that joe's lib file
must reside in /usr/local/lib.  Sigh...

Something else kinda neat:  try a "grep goto *.c" in the joe source
directory.  I have never seen so many before...

- Ken
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: New scsi code.
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Distribution: comp
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:50:26 GMT


	I have uploaded some patches for fscsi-a06 to tsx-11.mit.edu.  They
can be found in the file pub/linux/ALPHA/scsi/fscsi-a06.pl1.  Some
of these are simple cleanup things to fix compile warnings, but there is
one substantive change that I would like people to try.

	Previously we were sending an INQUIRY command to each
target/lun combination at boot time, and we were using this to
determine what devices were available.  Unfortunately, some devices
seem to respond with the same information to each lun, and the scsi
code was becoming confused.

	What I have done to get around this is to first send a
TEST_UNIT_READY to each target/lun combination.  I then look at the
return status, and decide if it looks like there is really a device
there (some error conditions still indicate an actual device present).
If there is, then we send the INQUIRY.  This approach solves
the problem in one of the cases where we were having a problem.

	I would like people to try this to make sure that all of their
devices are properly recognized (and each one is only recognized
once).

	There are also a couple of bugfixes to the 7000fasst code included.

-Eric
-- 
Eric Youngdale
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd
From: Neklan_Brozensky@mindlink.bc.ca (Neklan Brozensky)
Subject: Re: Packaging Linux
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:31:09 GMT

> Eric Matthews writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1992Nov16.051435.5763@cs.hope.edu>
> Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:14:3
>
> Org.  : Hope College
>
>
>         I second your notion about packaging LINUX.  I have shown LINUX to
> many
> DOS users and they were impressed.  Thanks to WINDOWS and OS-2 many DOS
> users
> now are familiar with multi-tasking, virtual memory, and graphical user
> environments.  Stepping up to a unix-like OS isn't such a scarry
> proposition.
> If LINUX were packaged with a GUI in the same manner as the SLS
> distribution,
> LINUX would be competing with OS-2 and WINDOWS NT.  LINUX, being free and
> having
> a large software base, would be very competitive.
>

Are you saying that right now it has a large software base?

It doesn't have a large software base when you are positioning it to take on
WIN-NT and OS/2. But it *could* *if* there was a way of running DOS  and
precompiled 386 sysV 4.2 programs... (running win 3.1 would be nice too..)

IBM learnt their lesson when they marketed OS/2 for 5 years with-out decent
DOS support.  Any future desktop operating system has to have it.

BTW I'm a new linux user, and like the original poster of this thread, I
agree that A simple prepackaged Xwindow linux could really make some noise on
the desktop, but *only* when it has DOS compatibility.
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