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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:00:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Blind Faith

>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>

>But they weren't yet perfect--"Had to Cry Today" & "Do What You Like"
>were a bit monotonous in the long run--and you just *knew* that with a
>little more time together, their second album was gonna blow the roof
>off. . . only no second album was forthcoming.  They played, what, 1
>gig, then they too split up.  Oh, there were rumors of outtakes, live
>recordings and the like, but I haven't seen any of them reach the light
>of day.  It does seem to me I've seen a CD of the album that includes
>extra tracks, but I lost sight of it & the copy I have is just that of
>the original.

I have the CD with the two extra tracks.  They are really poor, no
redeeming social value at all.  You've got the better version.

>When I went back to do my concert review, that was the only thing that
>stuck with me.  The music had changed, but I hadn't gotten my fill.
>That was another day the music died.

Nicely stated, Ken.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: President-elect Clinton fails the ALLMUSIC taste test
              "Kimberly Wasilewski" at Dec 16, 92 10:40 am

>
> I mean, after you get by Michael Bolton's hair, he is a very good singer.  I
> think.  What do you think a 40 or so man would listen to....Bobby Brown or
> Extreme?  Get with it. I don't think he choices were that bad.
> K. Anne
> Drexel Univ.
>

ABSURDO ABSURDO ABSURDO ABSURDO

I've been biding my time and shutting up these days but this post deserves a
SCORCH.  What in the F*************************************************K
does your age have to do with the quality of music you listen to???

But then again, what does anybody who thinks Micheal Bolton is a "very good
singer" know?   I assume you are 21 and think you are Hot Shit.

I guess the punk-nasties are getting to me.  I was also angry to hear that the
brilliant Ilia was stamped REJECT by the GRE and I mean to do something about
that.

I'm also preparing a post (maybe for tomorrow) on the Early 19th Century Roots
of Punkdom.

Look out, Psychosoniaphonia is ON THE WARPATH.
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From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: childhood music

Mike the bad guy <MASUDA%SJSUVM1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>

>Going back, back into your young childhood,
>what do you remember about the music that you
>were exposed to in the crib and as a young toddler?

I'm alleged to have said "Schubert, daddy!" while in my crib.
Unfortunately, Mozart was playing at the time.

>What was the music that your parents played
>for you as a youngster?

Classical 78s.

>What is your first recollection of playing a record?

My folks bought me a single of the JollY Green Giant theme.  This was
about the earliest example I know of a commercial actually making
it to a record.  I was really bent out of shape because the record
didn't match the commercial exactly.  Even at the age of 3 or 4 I
had a notion of the way things should be damn it!

>What kind of music did your parents listen to, and

My dad was a pretty good amateur cellist, and he played records of
classical music from the standard orchestral repertoire.  Never any
"modern" stuff.

>did it affect the way you listen to music today?

Absolutely!  In my rebellious teens I listened to all the modern
composers, plus jazz, and completely neglected the standard orchestral
repertoire until my twenties.  Remember, Stan Kenton was a hell of a
lot louder than the "teen idols" who seemed to dominate the airwaves
at the time.

>In general, what kind of music did you consciously
>or unconsciously listen to (or get exposed to) ?

Classical and Methodist church.  My parents subscribed me to a
children's music record club which issued monthly 78s of nursery
rhyme songs, some "children's classical" things like Peter and the
Wolf, and some light classics.

I was in high school in the very early 60s and, since I didn't
know about the "colored music" radio stations (as they were called
then) I think it's fair to assert that the most exciting music
going on during my high school days was jazz.  Either that or it
was some kind of elitist thing with me.  It wasn't until the
fall of 1963 when I started to listen to rock radio, and I fell
hard.
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Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

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>>
>>Dear Maniac-at-Large,
>>     Hardcore/Punk isn't the only thing I listen to either guy.  What's up
>>with Dicky Mo?
>
>(Oh good....Weirdwart here thinks I'm living in the same fantasy dimension
> he is. Not that I would know what the hell a "Dicky Mo" would be in the
> first place-unless he's making some crack about his,or my,or anybody
> else's manhood-but it's rather amusing that solipsism such as this still
> exists on the net. So much for coherence.)
>
>      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
>      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
>      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
>      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**

Actually Dicky Mo has nothing to do with my, or your manhood.  Dicky Mo is
a punk band from around the Chicago area.  I saw the University of Illinois
at Chicago in your disclaimer and just assumed you went there.  I also
assumed you might no what's up with them.  How's Billingsgate doing?
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Worst Song Ever

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:55:27 CST Leonard said:
>Just curious here, everyone generally agrees that "Plan Nine From Outer
>Space" is the worst movie ever, has there ever been a general concensus
>on the worst song ever....Damn there's so many where would you start
>I guess with Debbie Boone...............L.W.

I'd start with "The Battle Hymn of the Republic", myself.

David
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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Female Bands, Astrid, Worst Song, Joni, etc etc
              "WK7%CORNELLC.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Dec 18, 92 9:52 pm

>
> I personally don't care if a group is all-female, all-male, or even all-
> homosapien. If they can play their axe/voice on the money, then they're
> on the team, and welcome aboard ! And please excuse me...............
>
>                           ...mr. mgyztoplik, ...wck...
>

Yeah Walt, my feelings exactly.   And I also second Jeff's remark on
Carla Bley that "she knows how to get things done and isn't whining about other
things."   There's a lot to be changed and I respect (some) feminists who are
out to make sure that needed changes happen, but there have ALWAYS been
incredibly tough and irrepressible women who have "known how to get things
done" decades and centuries before feminism came on the scene, and it is these
women who have my special admiration.

Carol, on whether there are any old farts out here interested in your
Joni Mitchell post... Yeah, me!  I wrote my Ph.D. dissertation in one wild
summer while playing Joni Mitchell's album _Blue_ over and over and over.  It
put me into a trance and kept me going night and day.

Whoever it was who posted on Astrid Gilberto (isn't her name Astrid, not
Astrud??): watch out for calling ANYONE "just a housewife"... Also, her
checkered career involved getting tossed in prison for some drug-related
hi-jinks; when she got out I think she went around to various prisons giving
free concerts and got a big hand because the cons knew she had once been "one
of them."   I think she has a great voice.  I've been plowing through the 75
posts I found here so fast that I can no longer recall if anybody supplied any
info on a good album by her... I don't own anything but really used to
like her.  Any recommendations on what's available?

Black Sabbath... My husband came home telling me all about that "I am Santa
Claus" song that he heard on the radio, but of course the radio doesn't tell
you shit so I can't answer any of your questions.

Worst Song Ever: "How Much Is That Doggie In the Window (arf arf), I Do Hope
That Doggie's For Sale (a-ooooo)"

Now some obligatory personal whining: my wonderful guitar teacher is going back
to school next quarter to get a Pee-Aitch-Dee in English and I had my last
lesson yesterday.  I am in a funk about this.  I think I am a hopeless,
horrible, pathetic guitarist and keep losing my confidence.  I have decided the
only salvation is just to sock good music on the old CD/tape player and kind of
howl along with it.  I just can't generate the energy on my own...  Does
anybody have anything to say on this subject?  I know, I've whined before about
this.  It's kind of fun to whine, actually.

Sonia "Days of Whine and Roses"
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:56:43 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl vs Tape vs. CD vs...
              18 Dec 1992 09:43:16 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:43:16 EST Scott Hammer said:
>>
>Some artists (Bonnie Raitt comes immediately to mind) have taken to doing the
>actual recording in analog (i.e. ADD) for this very reason.  Apparently, they
>feel that the noise that analog equipment introduces produces a "warmer"
>ambience in the recording.

IMHO analog recording is by far the best sound, i waited until Alligator
stopped making vinyl b4 buying a cd player, because it all sounded cold
CD's have thier advantages but warmth is not one of them. I remember a revue
in Audiophile magazine and the reveiwer was asked to reveiw the Hendrix Ryko
Albums, he refused until Ryko made it available on vinyl, which they
eventually did and of course they don't any longer......L.W.
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:06:50 -0500
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Subject:      what the world needs now

Scott,

     To your question about "Teen Angst".  First, as someone has already
pointed out, that is the song title not the band name.  Cracker is the band's
name and its lead singer is the same person who sang for Camper Van Beethoven.
If you like Camper, you should probably like Cracker, too.  They will typically
be classified as alternative or college-radio music.  They came to concert
here a few months ago, but I was not able to go.  Some friends of mine
went and said they put on a good concert, so give them a try.

Denise
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From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      re: childhood music

>>I started taping songs from the radio (with an external mic, so no one was
>>allowed to enter my room during taping) and began the process of filing away
>>useless information...

Gary Sez:

>Oh no, you too! For my birthday one year, my grandfather gave me one of his
>old reel to reel tape recorders. I was fascinated by this thing even though
>it was a dinosaur. I made many tapes of my albums by just putting the mic
>from the reel to reel up to the speakers of my stereo (excellent sound
>quality!). And yeah!, nobody dare even open the door to my room and mess
>up my awesome recording.

Ahh, yes.  I did the same thing too.  My parents had a Panasonic portable
with one of those microphones with an on-off switch.  I carried that around
the house like an appendage.  I remember recording songs off the radio
and from the weensy-weensy speaker of the color tv, complete with the
high pitch tv whine that accompanies them recordings.
I came across one of the few leftover recordings from that happy time,
and rerecorded it onto DAT for my own personal records.  My, how
my voice has deepened since them young days...

Mike Masuda
    re: childhood music                                                     -
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From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The deluge part 2: gurls in bands

>  I'm relieved not to have a flamefest on my hands.
>MWM

  Well, *I* for one, am disappointed!  ;-)

                        -Tim"bah humbug"J
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: 14 karat soul

Jeff Schoby writes -

>I listen to the "American Radio Company with Garrison Keillor" on public
>radio.  Last year...and this year, I believe they had an a capella group
>named 14 karat soul on...they were fabulous.  I don't know what they are
>doing now, but you might be able to catch them on your local public radio
>station on the "American Radio Company" ... I might be able to find the
>address of the show for you...if you write to them they just might have
>some info on what 14 karat soul is doing now.  Let me know if you want it.


Yes, Yes, a thousand times yes!!!! Please? I'm on my hands and knees
begging...(I love the net - you can say stuff like that and it's only
mildly embarrasing!

Thanks!

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

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>
>>Doesn't anybody listen to hardcore/punk?  God the shit you people listen to
>>would make me kill myself.
>
>I used to, until my sister got into it and played the hell out of it.
>I got bored of it and moved on to other stuff.
>There's nothing really devastating enough to scream about these days,
>so punk has lost its spunk for me.  I love the early stuff.
>
>Sex Pistols crap,
>Toy Dolls crap,
>Black Flag crap,
>Dr. Know crap, etc.  Great crap.
>
>I'm into Mr Bungle and Primus if that's worth anything to you.
>If it's not, go kill yourself.  They kick butt!
>
>Mike Masuda
>
>    punk rock stuff

Dear Mikey,
    Being into Mr. Bungle and Primus isn't really worth anything to me,
though I'm not going to kill myself over it.  "There's nothing really
devastating enough to scream about these days."  Where have you been living
in a cave.  Wow I wish I could live in your make believe world of Chilly
Pepper wanna be's funkin' it up.  Why don't you turn on the tv and harvest
the crust from your eyes.  Here's some stuff to sing about if you feel like
starting a punk band:  For starters you could sing about oppression.  It's real
popular to oppress anyone or anything that isn't a white middle class
herterosexual male.  Sexism is rappant in our society, racism is rappant in
our society, homophobia is rappant in our society, animals our being
murdered and oppressed for their flesh, our environment is being destroyed
at an alarming rate, people our starving... unfortunetly I could go on all
day but this is a music list and I'm sure you people want to just forget about
your problems and just let them take care of themselves.  There's more to
music than a funky bass line and cool video's on mtv.

Go to bed my baby,
ben
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From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Frustration...non-musical
              17 Dec 1992 01:52:55 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

    So, what EXACTLY are you trying to say?




                                 - Drummer -
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:52:48 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Digital vs. Tape vs. Vinyl
              17 Dec 1992 21:52:05 EST from <EVK102@URIACC.URI.E DU>

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:52:05 EST Michael said:
>More about digital --
>
>Frank Zappa claims that forcing music through a a/d converter filters out
>all of the emotion, the subliminal feeling deep within music.  He claims
>it cheapens it.  Howwever, I feel that it is important to note that
>Zappa stuff still comes out on CD.
>
You could just as easily claim that all the painstaking work it takes/took to
get a good vinyl recording filters out all of the emotion.  As far as I am
concerned, this is just end of the century Luddism.
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Music's selling out to advertising.

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:56:15 GMT Jeff Beer said:
>
>I read an interesting article about Spike Lee using a piece "Things are
>Gonna Change" (something like that, the details of this article were
>filed in the garbage in garbage out part of my memory) by a late black
>artist from the 60s.  ( If someone knows the artist and exact song
>title, post it here.) The caretaker of his estate never let anyone use
>that song, and everyone asked him, most recently was Oliver Stone for
>JFK.  Spike took the scene from the film into his office, and said "look,
>we _have_ to have that piece hear, it makes it the most powerful."  The
>caretake agreed.  He then donated the $100,000 that Spike paid him to the
>United Negro College Fund and required that the song NOT be on the
>credits or soundtrack album.
>

"A Change Is Gonna Come", by Sam Cooke.  It has been covered, at least once.
The late Richard Manuel sang it on the Band's _Moondog Matinee_ set.

>I noticed Nike was doing Revolution for a while, but it quickly
>disappeared.  I wonder if they got a lot of hate mail.

Let's hope.


David
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From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Thread
              16 Dec 1992 15:02:20 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

Just wanted to say I enjoyed the comments in this thread - I wanted to post
something but before I could collect & organize my thoughts, anything I
would have said was said, and quite well. I was glad to see Marsha's response;
I asked the same question on a different list, months ago, and was very
diappointed to see no responses from women. (Maybe they just weren't there
at the time?)

However...

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:02:20 CST crispen said:
>
>Now, what I'd really like to know is why so many female rock bands
>break up.  ... Heart ...

Heart? They've had personnel changes, but as far as I know the female
members are the only ones who *have* stayed! But in *general*, that does
seem to be true, though of course plenty of male bands have split up too.
(Just ask Clapton about that one... :-> )

>How the mind wanders... Does anyone but me remember the bridge on
>the Bangles' "Manic Monday"?  Yum.  Anyone who can write a bridge like
>that can do all manner of evil Egyptian things and I'll forgive them.

Er... but wasn't that a Prince composition?

Paul Heroy
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:42:57 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Xmas favorites, Thumper's Xmas cheer

J.P. said:

>Well.... my Xmas favorites? I don't know, but my favorite Xmas would be two
>days of being absolutely pissed. I mean, I just hate that lousy music, lousy
>people (wishing you 'Best wishes', but in fact want to see you die - very
>slowly), and the lousy food. That only leaves one thing: drink until you
>drop.

I think that J.P. helped to answer your question regarding 'why are parties
always designed around the drinking crowd?' -- it's so that these goofs
won't end up out on the streets where they may hurt someone else...  :)

It's a given that alcohol is an important aspect of most celebratory events -
if we didn't serve liquor at our Christmas parties, nobody would show up...
Personally, I think it's a good idea to make arrangements for those partiers
who may partake of too much christmas cheer (witness Libby last weekend). It's
also a given that drunk drivers are not discriminate as to who they kill or
maim -- be they drinker or abstainer...  Marsha, your group's pre-planning may
save your life or that of someone you care about -- don't discourage that. I do
agree that you shouldn't have to pay the same dollar cost as us rowdy drinkers
though...  :)

Late last night, I decided to drive through her well lit city with my
headlights off (but parking lights on, duh) and managed to encounter a police
check stop. I was stone sober but did not relish being asked to get out of the
vehicle and "walk the line" since it was -30 with the wind chill factor.
Somehow I managed to escape without incident -- one of the officers used to
play in a band with the hockey player. Whew... I stay off the roads religiously
when I've been dipping into the wine, but after my embarassing moment last
night, maybe I should just stay off the roads completely.  :)

Enough of my blathering... back to buggering stray newbies with logic
probes...  :*)

OMC:

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Wicker box

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What does Elmer Fudd want to do to Madonna?


- Carol, awaiting her Christmas goose...
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