From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:29:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) says:

>In article <1dck4tINNqj3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) says:
>>[repeated stuff deleted]
>>
>>>And driving TRABANTS!
>>
>>haha..nicelyput!!!
>>
>>*****WARNING: REAL LIFE EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW!! STOP NOW IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT!!
>>(you gotta make sure to put this stuff on these to protect these peeple!! ;-)
>>
>>>Yeah...My mother's not willing to try either. When her car was in the shop,
>>>I said that she was welcome to use mine. I had to drive her all over town
>>>because she never could be bothered to learn how to REALLY drive(ARRRGH!)
>>>
>>
>>this is a real life example of what i have been stressing.  EVERYONE should
>>LEARN on a stick, as they can then drive EITHER!!..at their WHIM...but, 
>
>Yeah right, EVERYONE should learn EVERYTHING.  Lets not leave out any 
>of those driving skills.  We might be stuck in the middle of nowhere and 
>the only vehicle available is an ARTICULATED LORRY,  or one of those TRACKED
>CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES,  or a TRACTOR or a MOTORBIKE (yes I know we aren't
>supposed to discuss motorbikes in this newsgroup). We might have had an 
>accident in the middle of the Sahara and the only transport is a CAMEL - we 
>should learn to ride one of those too!  EVERYONE should know how to put 
>any 4X4 into 4 wheel drive IN THE DARK.  EVERYONE should also be able to fix 
>ANY part of their vehicle on matter where they are.  EVERYONE should know
>how to DOUBLE DE-CLUTCH in case their synchro's fail,  ditto CLUTCHLESS
>SHIFT.
hi derek..did you bother to think before you wrote this?..ok..think on this..
lesse..EVERYONE HAS to take driver's ed to drive(legally)now..why can they
not teach a stick to EVERYONE, thus they can drive either!!!..what you 
are talking about above is indeed as ignorant as what you are trying to say
my idea is.  


>
>Look this is all a load of *#$%.  If someone is stuck in the middle of 
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be damned if you aren't absolutely correct!..especially the crap you had
to throw in distorting what i think!

>nowhere and there was a reasonably novel vehicle around they would learn to
>drive it or die.  Most people learn to double de-clutch _after_ their vehicle
>fails not before.  If you really need to you will 'Jury rig your car or die'
>or wait for the next vehicle and get a lift.  Think of it as evolution in 
>action.
>
>>those who never learn on a stick, are relegated to the (monotonouosIMHO)
>>life of driving an auto only
>
>Hey it's their choice!  For most people it is just a method of transport.  
>Thats why they sell so many boring cars.   

absolutely correct!  but, why cannot they make this decision based on their
personal taste?..people buy autos because the cannot drive a stick..i know,
but i have never known anyone to buy a stick, because they were unable to
drive an auto!  easily remedied by teaching driving courses in MANUALS..
people can then decide if they like them or not and choose to buy whatever.


>>, and, whenever circumstances call, are left
>>looking like idiots because they have to  be either taught, or they have
>>to beg someone to take the time to drag them around, or they claim to be
>>able to, and screw up the equipment!....
>
>Sounds to me like in the good ole' US of A the automatic is the norm.  If 
>the car breaks down most of the neighbours will also have automatics.  The
>chances of having to borrow a manual are pretty small.  Tales of 3 speed blue 
>Mustangs notwithstanding.
>
>>if everyone were required to learn
>>to drive a manual, then they would have the choice, 
>
>If everyone was _required_ to learn use a manual you would just have _removed_
>their freedom of choice.

hmm..i do not recall being asked which i preferred to learn on...in fact..i 
recall being FORCED to learn on an auto if at all, thus, i think, they are
making the decision to FORCE us to learn on the WRONG type....they are trying
to teach autos first, and then stick if you wanna..should be the other way 
around..read my thread insert on typing.


>>but as it is now, have
>>NONE!!...geez..how can anybody be so blind???
>
>I can't ride a motorbike.  I don't apologise for that.  I don't see why I 
>should learn to ride one just in case I have to borrow one someday.  It is
>the same for a lot of people and manual gearboxes.  
reread the above..i do not argue that everyone should know how to do it all.
just that if they are going to learn, why teach them backwards?? it is silly!
there is NO reason for it.
DREW

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