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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Danes
              9 Apr 1992 15:28:59 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

>There is little
>pressure to relate one's subject to any state of the group.
>
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>     who logged back on to send this one posting and is showing great
>     restraint by not reading any mail right now...


Definitely, they are talking about this list....
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List Coma

Querieth Dr. Aaron AXD7104, Jupiter University

> Lately I've noticed a lot of people's messages beginning with things such
> as:

> Sayeth Mr. X
     ^^^
     That is supposed to be the mark of The Ronin.  Actually, The Ronin
has been doing the assumed PhD fad for a couple of days now, so the 'Mr.'
is probably out of date.

> Is it something I can do with my mail program?  Is it just a fad of the
> week?  Enquiring minds want to know.

     Probably.  What kind of a system are you on (VAX/VMS, IBM/VM, UNIX,
etc.) and what kind of mail software are using (VMSMail, RiceMail, elm,
etc.)?  There is probably someone on the list who can give you the
instructions on how to do things like this if you let us know.

The Ronin
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>> 12) *Mojo*/*Otis* Nixon (Steve P./Neal)
>
>        Mojo Nixon is a singer whose songs are a little off the wall.  Some
>of his songs: Elvis is Everywhere, Debbie Gibson is Pregnant With My
>Two-headed Love Child, and Put Your Louisiana Lip-lock On My Love Porkchop.
>        As for Otis, I'm clueless.

  Not to mention Stuffing Martha's Muffin, about former (?) MTV VJ
Martha Quinn.
>
>> 15) Skid Roper for Veep (Dan)
>
>        Skid Roper is Mojo Nixon's Right-Hand Man.
>
  Not any more.  Skid Roper wasn't on his last album (or two) and did
not appear with him when I saw Mojo in concert last summer (opening for
Dread Zeppelin).
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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: The Tunnel that Swallowed Chicago

Thanks, Steve, for the fascinating account of the Chicago tunnel flood....
how do you happen to know so much about it?  Did you see the recent PBS
program on New York City's infrastructure?  I loved it....
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Tony--

What about that test they held here in NYC a few months ago, where a
group of judges had to sit in front of a terminal and decide whether
they were "talking" to a computer or a real human?  I thought they
were billing that as a Turing Test.

--Aaron
From: gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal "gtoal@vangogh.cs.berkeley.edu")
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Date: 4 Apr 92 13:18:18 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92040214591090@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Frank) writes:
:Not to flog a dead horse, Graham, but in phonetic terms the retro-
:flex /t/ and /d/ are the ones made by putting the tip of the tongue
:on the roof of the mouth.  They are part of the phonemic inventory of
:at least one (I think actually several) of the languages spoken in
:India, and hence people doing mock Indian accents lace their speech
:with them liberally.  The sound I think you're describing, where you
:bring the tongue up once to the teeth or alveolar ridge (something
:like one brief segmgent of a trilled /r/) is usually called a flap.

you're quite right.  I meant a voiced alveolar flap.  What confused
me was that we had a conversation about this some time ago when Tushar
remarked that it was similar to the Hindi retroflex stop.  I think.
I may just be generally confused.  We definitely discussed something
about words that were confusing only in American.  Writer/rider springs
to mind.

G
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              15 Apr 92 17:35:15 CDT." <9204152316.aa09663@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>:
>> Well, I think the Internet link is screwed again.  Consider this a
>> test message.
>
>It is.  Or rather it's almost certainly the UGA nameserver, not a link
>in the sense of the phone lines.  I've given up on seeing it fixed
>until the head guru returns to UGA next Monday.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

It might be worse than that.  If I remember Frank's posting right (I'm too lazy
to go find it), UGA was ok immediately after reloads and the database became
corrupt repeatedly after it had been up for awhile.  This suggests that the
bad data is coming into UGA from elsewhere.  I think that can happen either
by someone there having done something to the local list of root nameservers
or by someone else claiming falsely to be a root nameserver.  At any rate,
these things are sometimes very difficult to trace down and get rid of.

I had a root nameserver myself once, but that was before we connected to
Internet, and the fakery was necessary to make nameservice work.  Very bad form
to invent extra roots when you ARE on Internet.

I'm going to see what it looks like now...

...

I'm back.  Everything looks normal now.  I guess it got fixed.  Probably ages
ago, while I wasn't watching.  Thanks, Frank and Bernard!

- Don R
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet or Internet Words-L?

>      But it was not clear to me that people with other backgrounds
> would not be bored by Frank's explanation.  I have not yet gotten a
> good feel for the level of technological appreciation/sophistication
> that exists on this list.

Is there anybody on the list who actually reads all the threads of
discussion carefully and with interest?  I might if I didn't have to
do things like get work done occasionally.  As it is, I glance at the
first screen of almost everything and then delete if it's part of a
thread I'm not following.  My guess is that most people do something
like that -- in which case they aren't bored by anything.  As for the
technological appreciation/sophistication on the list, I have lots of
appreciation but zero sophistication.  Yet I found Frank's explanation
not only interesting but also easy to follow.  Maybe his explanations
are always clear because he's had lots of practice explaining things
to ignorant users like me.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: fwp@Jester.CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: Technogeek Perhaps Saves The Day
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:12:12 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92041217474717@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>Sayeth        "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>
>> Ha!  Even Bernardykins, while frantically evading being chopped by a
>> sword, will admit that FWP is not boring.
>
>     What is Frank using, a claymore?

A WWII military issue Japanese katana.  An old friend of my fathers
acquired it during the war under circumstances he was unwilling to
discuss.  I found it in the back of an aluminum shed behind his
house.  The scabbard and hilt show their wear but the blade is
flawless.

A touch more mobile than a claymore.

>                                       I cannot believe that
>Bernardykins is that fast, so the problem must be on Frank's end.  

He sneaks into my office whenever I leave town on vacation or
business.  I've never caught him in the act...but I have found dog
hairs and doggy bone crumbs in my chair and on my desk.  His 'evading'
could be more accurately described as 'acting like a base coward who
refuses to stand up and face the music like a real dog would'.  What
better could you expect from a mutt though?

>                                                                   If
>he was using a bat I would advise him to choke-up on it, but this gets
>painful when one is using a sword.  

The long hilt is one of the great features of a katana.  It, in
effect, lets me choke up on it.  Alas it is currently unwrapped
metal so it chafes with serious use.

>                                    Perhaps going to a lighter,
>livelier sword would even up the fight.  As a worst case Frank can
>always use a foil.  It isn't much good for doing damage, but it should
>be nimble enough to spank errrant animals.

I do have a 1870ish US Army saber at my mothers house in Memphis.  My
funniest memory from my college years was the time I arrived home (home
at that time was College Park, MD) at 2am to the spectre of my 60 year
old mother in her nightgown brandishing that saber prepared to defend
harth and home.  Rather an interesting choice of weapon considering the
fact that she had a .32 in her dresser drawer.

I've never been able to to get into foils.  I'm a hack and slash kind
of guy.  Poking is for wusses.

--Fwp, armed and dangerous technogeek.
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought

Sayeth        Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

> You have a point...sometimes I think they just like to have something to
> complain about.  If administration told them they could wear anything
> they wanted, it would take all the fun out of trying to get by with
> subtle violations.

     Further, by the administration giving the students a relatively
harmless target for their rebellion (the dress code), perhaps some of
the students won't vent their rebellion in more serious venues (like
drugs).  That was my mother's professed tactic.  It doesn't account
for why I drove a Chevy through a police barricade, though.  I must
have had a little more rebellion in me than she thought.

The Ronin
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Noteth        Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>

> Interesting - I thought it was dictatorships and other totalitarian
> countries that restricted their citizens' right to travel...

     Yes, so what is your point?

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: SHOUT (NOT)

Sayeth        Mark Susskind <NY911179@PACEVM.BITNET>

> ventilation system in ny room.  UPPER CASE LETTERS do not constitue SHOUTING,
> as far as I'M concerned, just E-EMPHASIS.  In fact, after seeing mixed cases
> most of the time, it is somewhat of a relief to see upper case letters.

     Whether you wish to acknowledge it or not, upper case letters are
considered to be shouting in nettiquette.  E-emphasis has a number of
possible forms besides upper case, such as enclosure in special
characters such as '*' or '-', unusual spacing that visually denotes
special attention

       Such as this line would.

emoticons, and explicit descriptions (e.g. SET FLAME=TOAST).  The
advent of e-mail and the networks has given rise to a much richer
written language, it would be a pity not to use it.

The Ronin
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From:         Anne Diffily <ADBAM%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Oldies but goodies
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>I am beginning to feel a little resentful about all these *men* expressing
>dismay over Karen's age (41)...

Me, too.  Good grief!  Seems to me (if we're talking physical
attractiveness here) some of the hottest women in the movies
these days are over 40.  Susan Sarandon, Cher, Barbara Hershey,
and on and on.  Mark's horrified-looking exclamation, "41!",
just seems kind of silly to me.   Don't *young* men still
have a thing for the so-called mystique of the "older woman"?
Remember Mrs. Robinson?  "The Summer of '42"?

Hmph. We don't care.  We know who appreciates us.  For instance,
my 6-year-old son thinks I'm beautiful, and tells me so daily.
:-)  :-)  :-)

     - Anne, who looks pretty good for her age -- (gasp!) 40
From: gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Odder and Odder
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:23:02 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

In article <WORDS-L%92040907172670@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> DBFABAK%CFRVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU writes:
:Got to agree with Prof H.  Just because Magic is a "nice guy" and
:apparently well-liked, it does seem that he reaped the many seeds he
:sowed.  Ignorance and stupidity is a sorrow excuse for getting Aids.
:Certainly it is trajgc no matter how one contacts Aids, but it is
:easier to feel compassion for one that contracts Aids via a blood
:transfussion, than one trying to top Wilt Chamberlin's score.

Another member of the James Anderton school of 'divine retribution'.
I trust you've equally little compassion for those who die of lung
cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, and heart failure from gross obesity.

Some of you good ole boys really piss me off at times.

G
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In article <55DDE6FFA0217DBE@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu> STU DENENBERG
 <DENENBSA%SNYPLAVA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>...and when I'm introduced, they askme, "So what do you do?" and I say, "I
>teach" and they say "What?" and I say, "Computer Science" and , to use the
>phraseology of Ronin: CONVERSATION STOPPETH.

Really?  When I tell people that I'm a computer programmer they ask me
what the best checkbook balancing program for the IBM PCs (sort of like
"Oh, you're a doctor?  I have this pain in my...").  When I tell them
that I haven't used a PC as anything but a terminal in over a year they
decide I don't really know anything about computers after all.
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: electronic media

Asketh        Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

> There is one thing I always wanted to know. How "big" is the
> influence of the internet (or "electronic media" in general) ?
> How many novelists, poets, journalists, etc. have even heard
> of it or used it ?

     I am not sure how influential the Internet is, but both
inexpensive word-processors and desk-top publishing would have to be
considered major influences.  I suspect that Internet and its kin will
be a growing influence, with 'workshopping' lists such as
WRITERS@NDSUVM1 being a way to 'test' one's writings without having to
leave home.  It would be a small step to go to where writing workshops
are held as e-conferences (They may be already.  Rita?  This sounds
like your realm of knowledge.) instead of requiring people to convene
in a single physical location.

     But perhaps the larger impact will be the populace changing its
language structure to match what travels upon the nets.  (Where did
your sister learn of smiley faces, for example, Tushar?)  Novelists,
poets, and journalists do not create language for most of their work,
they use the language that is already there around them.  Change the
language around them, and they will have to change to maintain their
audience.  May take a while, but they will change.

The Roni
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: "nothing wrong"
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:23:16 GMT


Help.... I've OD'd on words-l, and I'm turning into a BWP...

Tushar asks how cultural relativism emerges from sociological theory: to be
simple about it, sociology is descriptive (in the same way that I think
Natalie is claiming that linguistics is descriptive).  The parallels are
impressive, in fact -- in both cases, there is some sort of functional goal
(communication for language, and whatever might count as a measure of the
success *of a society as a whole* for a system of social institutions), and
there can be a measure of how well a given construct approaches the goal.
The goals are constrained by the internal dynamics of the system, so
an outside evaluator should not allow his or her *own* norms to unduly
influence the measurement of how well the system functions in its own
terms.  

Euclidian geometry, Newtonian physics, and (dare I say it?) Ptolemaic
astronomy function well within their own limitations (I understand that
mariners still navigate using an earth-centered system).  In these cases,
it can be argued that there is some sort of absolute reality against which
they may be tested: no such situation exists for anything that humans have
invented as social tools.

--bayla
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Subject:      Re: nothing wrong

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
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NATALIE:If a language fails to meet the needs of the speakers,
<something is wrong with it.  So far, I don't know of any examples of
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<that kind of failure.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If I could make some second-hand generalizations about languages I
don't speak....

As we use language to think, the limitations of our language(s) limits
the ability to conceptualize.

So far as I know, all language is linear,
and forces linear thinking (ie, one thought must follow on another, and
it becomes challenging to hold two thoughts at once or in fact to do two
things at once. In a TV showroom with 30 tv's tuned to 30 channels, one finds
oneself following first one tv/channel, then another. If confronted with
parallel translations of a text (such as the Bible) or commentaries on a
text (such as a midrash on the Torah), it still is difficult to keep
multiple thoughts going at once. I stumbled upon the multiple parenthetical
statements I with which I occasionally annoy the list a few years ago when I
was trying to break out of the linear mode of writing (and thinking.)

This may be a limitation of our brain or it may be a limitation of language.

Commentators too numerous to mention describe the variations in conceptual-
ization from language, resulting in the difference between Cartesian and
Hegelian philosophies, for example.  Or the sense that classic Greek was
great for arguing because the structure of the language was such that
parallel thinking was easy to hold in the head.  French seems to invite
parallelisms which don't translate well to English, as I discovered while
wading through Levi-Strauss.  Native Japanese speakers reportedly have
their language center in the opposite hemisphere of the brain than any
other known language.  This is true for non-Japanese who learn Japanese
as a first language, but not for anyone who learns Japanese as a second
language. (What difference in conceptualization this makes is open to
conjecture.)

Probably some of the multi-lingual types here could offer personal
examples of concepts they can understand and express easily in one
language but cannot understand or express in another.

This leads rather alarmingly back to that statement about kids with
ghetto dialects not being able to think up to speed with those who
have "proper" English...

(clue)Les
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*** Resending note of 04/08/92 12:24

>Steve Karlson

>p.s. to dan: the check is in the mail (really)

Steve, that is the exact same thing I told Dan (really).
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Swedish cake mix

>    I've asked a couple of Latinists about vi veri veniversum vinus
>    vici and come up empty.  But I still fear that it's a joke that
>    everybody but me gets.  Don't know what happened to that fellow;
>    it was as if he stumbled into the Blue Moon one night right before
>    closing and never came back.
>
>bog

If bog Himself doesn't get it, it's extremely unlikely someone does.

Chris Mohoney can easily be a fake. He stepped in just when there was
another impossible posting from somewhere in the middle east. This in
fact induced my inflamed imagination to think that Lisa A (who had come
in about the same time) was another fake, poor thing. I am of course
eternally damned to be tormented by these doubts. It's the cost of
sinning.

tushar
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