From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expulsion of 418 Palestinians
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:23:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.111129.20038@nuscc.nus.sg> eng10511@nusunix1.nus.sg (RAM VIKASH TIWARY) writes:

# David Makowsky (makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu) wrote:

# : In article <1583@blue.cis.pitt.edu> rdtst+@pitt.edu (Richard D Thorne) writes:
 
# : # The action of the Israeli government, removing the Hamas activists, is 
# : # legal.  It conforms with Israeli law and was upheld by the High Court.  It 
# : # does not violate international law, specifically the Geneva Convention,
# : # since Israel's possession of the West Bank and Gaza is the result of
# : # a war of self-defense, and no other state has a stronger claim to sovereignty
# : # than does Israel.  
 
# : 	[ rest deleted - dlm ]
 
# : 	One more point I would like to make, one I have made throughout
# : this debate and despite the harrasment by Wanyne and the pooh poohing
# : by Brendan, is that even if the deportations are a violation of
# : International law, the first responsibility of any state, just as with
# : any individual, is self preservation.
 
# : 	So even if the act was a violation of international law (am I am
# : not condeding that it was), Israel cannot be blamed for violating
# : international law if the deportations were necessary for her national
# : security.
 
# : 	And before anyone jumps on me, I am not claiming that it was
# : necessary for Israel's self defense just because Israel said it was.
# : However, based on the "facts on the ground", I believe even more
# : deportations orders of magnitude greater are needed for Israel's self
# : defense.
 
# 	What facts are you referring to.

	Terrorism, demograhics, security, resources, etc.  What did you
think I was referring to?

# I strongly disagree with the
# assessment that Israel needs to expel Arabs in the interest of its
# national security.

	Correect.  It does not need to if it decides its national security
interests lie in suicide, terrorism, South African apartheid, etc.

# What constitutes this need may I know.  How can 418
# members of an extremist group (and they never got a chance to a fair
# trial) pose a threat to a garrison state like Isreal which is more than
# a metch for all the armies of its Arab neighbours.

	Well, israel is not really a garrison state.  Expulsions will help
it prevent becoming one.  Now, in the larger scheme of things, I
agree 418 will not do much.  That is why expusions orders of
magnitude higher are needed.

# It is action of this
# nature, without regard to rights and aspirations of others that sets the
# civilised world apart from savages.

	Wrong.  It is this action which will help prevent the civilized
world from being overrun by savages.

# Israel and is American patrons who
# keep harping on human rights and democracy (what democracy did the
# native americans get) should stop the farce.  It makes my stomach turn.
# Justice is a not objective, it is the will of the powerful imposed on
# the weak.  Have the guts to face the facts for what they are.   

	Have the guts to get your information out of something other than
a Cracker Jack box.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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