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From: jka@ipsa.reuter.com (Jan Arendtsz)
Subject: Re: Accusations of Cheating
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.091803@axion.bt.co.uk> dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove) writes:
>
>
>I caught a glimpse of the news this morning in which it would appear that
>Alan Lamb accused the Pakistan bowlers of picking the seam etc.
>
>Without wishing to re-open this can of worms, can someone confirm if:
>
>	a. there has been a formal accusation
>	b. the umpires from the fourth ODI have made a statement as to 
>	   why they changed the ball.
>	c. there has been any response from Pakistan
>
>Just for the record, I'm quite able to accept that W&W are an outstanding
>pair of bowlers who don't need to cheat to rip their way through quality
>batting line-ups. However, I'm still curious as to the official outcome of
>this matter.
>
>Dave Grove.
>
>==========================================================================


Alan Lamb has been fined by his county, and banned from playing the next 
two games for his comments...

Jan
	
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From: vnk5651@tamuts.tamu.edu (Veeraraghava Nagendr Kondagun)
Subject: Re: The Punjab theory of fast-bolwing.
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:38:45 GMT

In article <92236.162326SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <4792@news.duke.edu>, shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) says:
>>
>was amar singh (nissar's bowling partner) from punjab as well? it was about
>amar singh that frank woolley said- "the ball came off the pitch like the
>crack of doom."
>

 I am not sure if he is from Punjab(I doubt it).But in the Ranji Trophy he
played for Nawanagar(Vinoo Mankad also played for this team),the state of
Ranji and Duleep.In addition to being a very good fast bowler he was also
a fairly good batsman in the tail.Unfortuntately he died at a very young
age around 1940 or so.He also had a brother L.Ramji who also played test
cricket.

Gopal



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From: pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz (Lloyd Pallesen)
Subject: Re: Cricket from a different viewpoint
Reply-To: pallesen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:00:30 GMT

In article <25AUG199210543340@zeus.tamu.edu>, avs4700@zeus.tamu.edu (Anand Srinivasa) writes:
>Beech writes:
>
>>Well as I got no response from my first posting to this group regarding
>>blind cricket, can I assume that no one has heard of it?  Can this truely
>>be so?  Please if you do know of the game in your country can you please
>>e-mail me?  I would like to hear from all people who are connected with
>>the game - either directly or indirectly.
>
>-- 
>Adrian V. Beech                              E-MAIL: A.Beech@ext.gu.edu.au
>
>************************************************************************
>
>Have hope, Beech.
>
>There is such a thing called Blind Cricket. And I had the good fortune
[Stuff deleted]
>anand S
>
I have also heard of it, I recall a News item on TV here in NZ some time ago
(perhaps last year even).   The ball was larger/softer than normal and had
bells inside of it.  Sorry that I do not have more info.

Lloyd P
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Subject: Re: Touring NZ 
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:19 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug25.030324.2146@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.144929.474@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
> |> Bzzzt - wrong answer :-). The southernmost test venue in New Zealand is in 
> |> Dunedin which is not particularly windy *except* when there is a southerly 
> |> blowing.
> |> 
> 
> 	Ah yes, one of those places which aren't particularly windy,
> 	except when the wind is blowing.

Well in this country we give the wind equal opportunity to come from all points
of the compass.

Alan
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From: karnik@mega.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: World's worst fielder
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:22:10 GMT

In <1992Aug31.152100.13529@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> andrew@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker) writes:


>I kinda like these kinds of topics -  totally based around opinions and
>sure to bring about some interesting flames. Anyway, I thought since
>the world's best test fielders were being discussed it might be appropriate
>to start naming the worst! I think that the supporters of each test team
>should nominate the worst from their side that they can remember. 

>I'll start the ball rolling with one from the England test team -

>	Devon (I'll dive for this, oops i've missed it again) Malcolm

>Andrew Walker: Department of Computing Science, The University, Glasgow G12 8QQ

	My nomination (:->) from India is Dilip Doshi. Sandeep Patil, after
his shoulder gave out, was a close competitor. 
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From: aksimha@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt)
Subject: Re: World's worst fielder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:12:47 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Aug31.233301.17046@julian.uwo.ca> raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>The phrase used by people back home for poor fielder is;
> 'Man he got holes in his hands!'  :-)
>
>S.R.Raza
>
>

   ..or better, "Have you found the ball, yet?". I sounds much better in Hindi,
   or Marathi, though! 
 
  DEVIATION MODE ................(BEEP)................. 

    Reminds me, (doesn't it always!!) of many an incident on the green top.

 1.  Richard Hutton to the batsman (Redpath?) after he played and missed, 
     " Why're you pulling the slips' legs, mate? Why don't you edge one for
       a change?"
      ------ Sunil Gavaskar describing one of the highlights of the Aus vs
       World XI series (1971) in "Sunny Days".


 ------------

   ...VERNACULAR MODE ON..............................

 2. A friend of mine (in Bombay) used to bowl like lightning, or at least,
    that was what it was like for *us* batsmen. We used to play with a
    rubber ball on an asphalt road after it had rained! The ball bounced
    and sped past us in a micro second and many a time we wore abdomen
      guards! (Yes, against a rubber ball) 
        ......and every time we missed, the bowler would sing, "Doondho,
      Doondho, re Sajna." 
     ( These are the lines of a famous song, which in effect translates as,
       "Search, Search, my beloved!")
--------


Arun Simha
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Subject: Re: Pak vs Eng,4th ODI at Lords
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 24 Aug 92 14:51:56 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Aug22.221857.10610@athena.mit.edu>, asad@athena.mit.edu (Asad A Naqvi) writes:
>
>                <text deleted>
> 
> The match will continue tommorrow.

Eh - whatever happened to the concept of a One Day International?
                                           -   -   -

Alan
From: dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Cricket Phrases/Accusations of Cheating
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:38:02 GMT
Reply-To: dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs



Sorry, I posted the follow-up to the wrong article!!

The subject of my last article (20869) should have read "Re: Cricket Phrases"

Oooooppps!!

Dave Grove.
From: vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World's worst fielder
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:05:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep4.040537.4108
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <dos105-030992132435@hanmac34.anu.edu.au> dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:
>In article <dos105-010992074200@150.203.49.43>, dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au
>(Pat Rourke) wrote:
>
>> Navjot Sidhu strikes me as being lazy in the field, but I'll agree with the
>> above that the majority of the Sri Lankans do need to work on their
>> fielding.
>> 
>>       Signed,
>>               Pat Rourke  (you may not have heard of me)
>
>  Yike!! When I asked my mind who the Indian batsman who opened with Ravi
>Shastri on the Australian tour last year was, it (stupid mind) gave me
>Navjot Sidhu. So he did, but he isn't the bad fielder I was thinking of -
>try Kris Srikkanth for someone who doesn't like to get his hands behind the
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ball.

Hey, wait a second Srikanth doesn't like to get his hands behind the 
ball, that's a new one. As far as I am concerned Srikanth is one of
the best cover fielders in the field, have seen him pick and hit the
stumps in one single motion. He is next only to Azharuddin and Kapil
when it comes to the outfield.

The Phoenix



>
>       Signed,
>               Pat Rourke  (you may not have heard of me)


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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Lamb fined ans suspended by Nothants
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:27:51 GMT

In <19898@plains.NoDak.edu> ksrao@POWER.EEE.NDSU.NODAK.EDU writes:


| BBC TV news has reported that Northampton CCC has fined Lamb maximiu (
| the amount was not mentioned) and suspended for the next two county matches
| for publishing an article in Daily Mirror - not authorised by the club.

Local news says 5000 pounds (maximum possible) plus 2 matches.

They also had (brief) interviews with Intikhab who said the allegations
were rubbish, Aaqib (identified as Pakistan's captain - no idea what
game that might have been) who didn't say much, and Ritchie Richardson
who said that he'd never seen anything like it in a test, so he couldn't
comment, but that it should be stopped if it was happening.

They also showed a ball, with someone's thumb taking a noticeable
piece out...

kre
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Subject: Re: Inzamam and run outs
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.201012.1225@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@bellcore.com writes:
>
>Inzimam was run out twice in the WC but those two incidents are understandable: 
Actually he was run out a total of four times in ten innings in the WC.  The
ones that Shamim mentioned, and against Srilanka and against New Zealand in
the semi-final.  I bring this up not so much to correct Shamim, but to bring
up the subject of his batting in the semi-final one more time :-)

>against SA an acrobatic piece of fielding and against Australia (?) I think it 
>was very bad decision by the umpire. 

On Punjab and pacemen; here are a few additions to Saad's observations:

1.  The sample is small enough for the whole thing to still be
    considered a coincidence.
2.  How many grass pitches are there in Punjab, barring a few in the cities?
3.  The relative prosperity in Punjab contributes more by providing people
    with the time and resources to indulge in cricket, than it probably
    does by providing superior nutrition.
4.  Punjab has different cultural attitudes towards such matters as
    competitiveness and work ethics ( see Akbar S. Ahmad's studies on
    the  Arian "tribe")
5.  Saying "hut taree...." at the point of release makes the ball travel
    just a bit faster.  Really, try it :-)



And oh ...

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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Richard Hadlee Shares His Views.....
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:46:50 GMT
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <18364.2aa6512c@ecs.umass.edu> vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:

[fascinating interview deleted]

Can anybody tell me how many first class wickets Hadlee took?  How
about the other great bowlers of recent years?

Cheers, Paul
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From: vijays@ecs.comm.mot.com (Vijay Surti)
Subject: Re: The art of Swing
Organization: secure_comm
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:03:11 GMT
Keywords: need article

In article <1992Aug25.213220.19402@cs.sfu.ca> aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain) writes:
>Hi, i have been hearing about an article that appeared on rsc
>a long time ago, before i got onto it. i would appreciate it
>if someone who has that article which goes into great detail
>on why a cricket ball swings etc and stuff to please email
>it to me.
>Thanks, 
>
>aamir@cs.sfu.ca

If someone has that article, can you please post it back.
Aamir if someone mailed you that article can you
forward that to me. I will appreciate it.
Thanks,

Vijay Surti

vijays@ecs.comm.mot.com
Motorola Inc., Secure & Advance Conventional Systems Division
Schaumburg, Illinois, USA
Phone (708)576-1893

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From: diwadkva@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar)
Subject: Gower Strikes ......
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:20:00 GMT

I am surprised what follows hasn't come up on the net thus far.

Apparently David Gower has came out with his autobiography last week and
there are some interesting things in it (so I've heard).  It has the 
obligatory (and perhaps expected) digs at Gooch and Mickey Stewart but
has a more potent bombshell.  The Golden Boy alleges that India doctored
the ball on its '90 tour of England.  In case you are trying to recall 
some fabulous bowling performances by India which may have elicited 
Gower's ire, think long, think wrong.  This was England's summer with 
the bat.  Goochie aggregated 700+ in 6 innings, 456 runs in the first
test alone.  Robyn Smith averaged 250+ (I think) for the series since
India refused to take his wicket, Lamb and Atherton had I think three
tons between them and lastly Gower booked his ticket to Oz with a 
(gratuitous?) ton in the third test.

Looks like the Indians have much to learn from Wasim et al. about 
doctoring the ball? :-)

A friend and I were discussing the possibility that Gower had his dates
wrong and intended to rubbish the Indis of '86.  That Indian team 
walloped Gower's team 2-0 (could have been a 3-0 sweep but for rain).
But perhaps Gower wishes it be known that even after doctoring the ball
India had to endure what it did in '90.  A sage warning, given that 
England are due in India in 6 months time?

On the subject of doctoring, Robin Marlar in a recent edition of the
Sunday Times alleges that Wasim and Waqar have been indulging in 
"questionable practices" for some time now and that their county 
captains have been aware of it.  Of course "questionable practices"
is a fairly broad euphemism and could mean anything.  Methinks 
Marlar didn't want the tabloids to steal a march on him but that he
didn't want to risk a lawsuit either.  A case of having your bitter 
pill and swallowing it too?

- Vaibhav.
From: aapfl6!zulfiqar@aapfl1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: PAK, ENG  ONE DAYS ON PPV
Date: 27 Aug 1992 15:44:54 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        


        England vs Pakistan One Day Internationals would be televised
        in the state of New York on various cable companies on

                FRIDAY    AUGUST 28   03:00 PM (ET)     4th MATCH
                SATURDAY  AUGUST 29   03:00 PM (ET)     5th MATCH
  
        Call your cable company to sign up for these games on PPV.
        The charge for one game is $19.95
From: moghal@aludra.usc.edu (Nadeem Moghal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: 3+ hundreds in an innings (Was: First Test Australia v/s Sri Lanka)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 18:26:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.182728.17849@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:
>
>In article <karnik.714756178@giga>, karnik@giga.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes...
>>In rec.sport.cricket, Murali Iyer (or rather, Daniel) writes:
>> 
>>>SRI LANKA. First Innings.
>> 
>>>Gurusinha      c. Jones            b. Whitney               137
>>>Ranatunga      c. Warne            b. Matthews              127
>>>Kaluwitharane                      Not Out                  132
>> 
>>	When was the last time three batsmen scored centuries in the same
>>innings of a Test match ? I don't think the Pakistanis did it during their 
>>two huge innings in the just-concluded series in England.
>> 
>>
>
>One such instance was in the 3rd test of the 1985-86 India - OZ series. Indians
>made 500 for 3/4 decl. Sunny, Srikanth and Jimmy made centuries. Is there
>another occasion where No.1, 2 & 3 hv scored centuries in the same innings.
>That was the last century by the "Little Master", the 34th. 

Yes, if my memory serves me right, it was the first ever instance of the
first three batsmen reaching hundreds.

Talking of successive batsmen reaching the magical mark, there has been
one occurence of 4 players:

   Pak vs Ind   Faisalabad   1982-83    No. 3  Javed Miandad   126
                                        No. 4  Zaheer Abbas    168
                                        No. 5  Salim Malik     117
                                        No. 6  Imran Khan      123

It was the same test match where Gavaskar carried his bat in the second
innings, scoring 127 runs, and giving us to another feat that we are
talking about on the net as I write these lines!

Besides this test, there have been three or four times when four 
batsmen have scored in three figures. The world record is five
which was, I am sure, created in the record-creating/breaking
Aus-WI series of 1954-55, when the highest humber of centuries
(in a rubber) were scored. Clyde Walcott twice scored a hundred
in each innings of the test, and rounding off with a fifth score
in this range, he created an all-time record.

Let us see if I can recall how many times Pakistan has done it:

1971    vs Eng  Birmingham   Zaheer 274, Asif 104, Mushtaq 100
1976-77 vs NZ   Karachi      Javed  206, Majid 107, Mushtaq 100
1987    vs Eng  Oval         Javed  260, Salim 107, Imran 118

I wish I could add more :-(


Nadeem Moghal
USC
From: bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Accusations of Cheating
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:45:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: varian.1992Aug28.204549.9260
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems

In article <1992Aug26.153230@axion.bt.co.uk> dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove) writes:
>P.S. A starter that I believe is from American Football:
>
>	You picked up the ball now run with it!!


Very unlikely, the phrase doesn't seem to be all that common in this
country (USA).  Surely it what was said to first Rugby School soccer
player who used his hands and thus invented the game of rugby.

Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA #353696, DoD #257
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From: mrichardson@guvax.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: test
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:35:39 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Another test: ignore this one too!
From: graeme@castle.ed.ac.uk (G J Ackland)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Pakistan win 5th one-dayer
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:46:24 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Did anybody else notice that when Ramiz Raja was offered the bad weather
last night, had he accepted it Pakistan would have won under World Cup
rules?
From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Hundreds by rival skippers (Was: 3+ hundreds ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <l9r1glINNoqs@aludra.usc.edu> moghal@aludra.usc.edu (Nadeem Moghal) writes:
>
>This feat has around 20 occurances from the annals of test cricket.
>I will try to recount a few of them:
>

[occurrences deleted]

>
>These two instances have already been mentioned on the net.
>
>1973-74  Aus vs NZ  Christchurch    Greg Chappell  247* & 133
>                                    Glenn Turner   110

Was Turner captain?  I didn't think so, although my fading memory 
may not be all I would like it to be.

>
>1979-80  Aus vs Pak Faisalabad      Greg Chappell  235
>                                    Javed Miandad  107*
>
>1987     Eng vs Pak Oval            Imran Khan     118
>                                    Mike Gatting   151*
>
>
>>I wish I could add more :-(
>
>ditto

>>Nadeem Moghal
>>USC
>
Cheers, Paul
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:36:31 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Miandad, O Miandad.

In article <4868@news.duke.edu>, shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) says:
>
>Can some kind soul complement/correct this list of Miandad's centuries ?
>
>163 vs New Zealand at Lahore, 1976-77 (debut).
>206 vs New Zealand at Karachi, 1976-77.
>154* vs India at Faisalabad, 1978.
>100 vs India at Karachi, 1978.
>129 vs Australia at Perth, 1979.
>150* vs New Zealand at Christchurch, 1981.

119(?) vs India, 82-83

>280* vs India at Hyderabad (Sindh), 1982-83.
>260 vs England at the Oval, 1987.
>105[?] vs the West Indies at ?, 1988.
should be 102, i think

>119[?] vs the West Indies at ?, 1988.
114

>271 vs New Zealand at Auckland, 198?
118 vs NZ.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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