HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Re: Nose pierced 2nd time..prevent infec..
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:41:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.145814.25569@samba.oit.unc.edu> Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke) writes:
>In article <Nov02.203310.43952@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> braunste@fjord.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (steam) writes:
>>the best thing to use is hibiclens.  it's a surgical scrub with some kind  
>>of anti-bacterial agent.  clean the pierce twice a day by working the  
>>hibiclens into the hole.  let it stay for a couple minutes then rinse it  
>>out.  make sure to get as much out as you can since hibiclens can be  
>>somewhat abrasive.  also, if you plan to pierce yourself in the future,  
>>use a bit more sense.  like make sure to sterilize everything as well as  
>>you can.  use heat and alcohol and anything else you can think of.  also,  
>>it would be worth your while to invest in a piercing needle from the  
>>gauntlet or someplace like that.  good luck.
>>
>
>Remember that hibiclens needs to be diluted for use on piercings.
>a beter, also hospital grade, clenser is Betadine.  You may be alergic to
>either or both or these, however.  If so, try one of the comercialy
>available solutions for cleaning ear pierces - someone posted the name of
>one recently, but I've forgotten it.
>
Don't use alcohol,It contradicts what your body is doing to heal the pierced area.
Take the other guy`s/gals advice though,use betadine,it's the shit!!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: s4349339@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Sarah Fox Jahn)
Subject: Henna staining
Keywords: henna, hand staining
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:59:27 GMT

Hi!

I noticed a little while back someone posted some info about henna... 
That is, using the herb to stain a week-long-lasting design on the 
hands. Unfortunately, I did not save it at the time, and can't go 
backwards once I've seen articles here :( So whoever posted it, could 
you please e-mail me the substance of your post? (buying, preparing, 
using the herb)

Many thanks, 
Sarah Jahn 

e-mail: s4349339@titan.ucc.umass.edu
From: coomer@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Coomer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Doctors visit
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:32:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

i harldy ever see any good fun stories here so I decided
to post my own.  Well, I've had a bad case of bronchitis
for about two months and I started seeing a doctor last
week.  Well, last week she told me to raise up my shirt 
so she could listen to my chest.  She didn't see my nipple
ring at first.  She was moving from the back of my chest
to the front and sort of ran in to it with her hand without
seeing it.  As soon as she touched it her hand jerked about
a mile away.  She never did say anything though.  

So I had to go back today and this time she told me to
romove my shirt.  She took one good look at my nipple
one good look at my tattoo and just paused for a minute
I don't think she saw the one on my lower lip when she was
checking my throat.  I was impressed she never did say 
anything.  I know some people who have gotten the major 
doctor lecture when they've been examined.

Well, then it was time for a chest x-ray.  Man it's only
been 6 months since I got my nipple done and I was a 
bit apprehensive about removing it.  Since I've been sick
my nipple has become re-infected and hasn't been behaving
well.  So I take off my shirt and the radiologists says 
to remove my necklace.  Then she notices my nipple, doesn't 
quite know what to say, so then she just points and meekly
says, "Oh, uh... th.. that too."  I laughed but then I
started worrying that I wouldn't get it back in.  

After the x-ray I immediately started to put the ring back
in.  I had a little trouble but managed quite successfully to
replace my ring.  The only problem now is that it's a little
bent.  Not quite circular anymore, but I'll fix that later
at home.

Eric
From: paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Incubus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: i did it.
Keywords: tattoo
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:23:37 GMT
Organization: The Order of the Gash

In article <BxGy6u.4rM@wang.com> fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie) writes:
>vyxter@ftp.com writes:
>
>>the night before halloween i drove up to sign of the wolf in west
>>lebanon, new hampshire with a friend.  i'd intended to just look
>>around, meet the artists, and get a patch test.  i planned to come
>>back later to actually get the tattoo, but, i loved the artwork all
>>over the shop, i liked the tattoo artists, dave and kevin, and dave
>
>Which dave? the father or son?  The father did mine, and it was really an
>enjoyable experience!
>>--
>>		--vyxter			       	      
>Fast Freddie
>

actually Dave Rubin Sr. has moved down to NJ...
at this point the two full time artists at Sign of the Wolf
are Dave Rubin Jr. and Kevin Graf aka Nevak Farg...

I suggest anyone in New England to come by and check out the
shop.  It is definetely one of the cleanest and most sanitary
I have found.  Dave is very well known for doing cover ups and
his Native American and Animal (namely wolf) designs.  

The shop is in W. Lebanon, NH
and the phone is 603-298-6053.

Paul Haban
The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu
From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: should niobium rings fade?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:51:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.eng.sun.com

yo.

i have a niobium ring that used to be purple that has faded into
a silverish metal color.  should niobium be doing this?  none of
my other niobium jewelry has faded at ALL.  the ring's been worn
constantly for almost 2 years.  

curiously yers,

la frijola
 



Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart,alt.postmodern,alt.sex,alt.tasteless,alt.religion.scientology,alt.good.news
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: Phineas Gage
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:08:08 GMT

jrsmith@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (J. R. Smith III) writes:

>...
>	Hey, anyone else remember Phineas Gage from the old Ripley's strip?  
>He was the railroad worker who got a steel pipe blown through his skull in
>an explosives accident, and lived happily to show off his new blow-hole.
>(You may have seen Ripley's neat drawing of Gage in the title sequence of the
>short-lived Ripley's TV series a few years ago.)

Yeah, old Phineas was the world's first lobotomy, and it really fucked up
his social skills.  A few years down the road and the only freinds he had
left were squirrels.  Which brings me to your next paragraph....

>	Anyway, to make a long story short, where can I get a piercing
>like that?  I think it would be cool to walk around with a bar or sword 
>Sticking out of my face.  And if people made fun of me or tried to put
>me in a freak show, I'd pull out the bar and hit them with it!  Neat.
>What doctors are licensed to do this piercing?  Anyone near Boston?

Sounds like you've already got the lobotomy, now go find some squirrels to
play with, ok guy?  We'll just stay here and do our thing, you go play in 
the big room with your buddies, I'm sure they're fascinating people.
>					... John-Raymond Smith

-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca|
Behavioural Ecology   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  |"As miserable as ever" replied the enlightend Kyogen.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: osiris@athena.mit.edu (Marcel Bruchez Jr.)
Subject: Pierces and Medical Care
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:10:24 GMT

So, I was wondering, seeing as I am coming down with something which could be
mono or bronchitis, what are the odds that they will make me take our nipple
and navel rings to do an xray?  Is it necessary?  If I ask them for pliers, do
you think they would say "never mind?" or does it depend on the doctor.  If
anyone has stories, I am sure that they would be interesting.  

Thnanks...

-Marcel
From: fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: unsafe piercing and supplies
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:45:24 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell) writes:

>Kids,

>This is a hard note to write (mostly cause I don't want to end up
>getting sued), but I had one hell of a scary experience this weekend.

>Friday evening, My SO and I went to a prominent tat/piercing shop in
>Denver. We had planned to aquire some jewelry, needle, and assorted
>stuff for his PA.  Dealing with professionals who've had good
>recommendations here seemed like an ok alternative to waiting for
>an order from the Gauntlet.

>Scary experience #1 - we're talking to one of the resident tat
>artists, when a customer shows up for a navel peircing.  The piercing
>itself went ok, but I swear the piercer picked up an needle directly
>off of a counter (i.e. not sterilized). But it's late, and I figure
>I had to be wrong.      

>Scary experience #2 - we buy a 14ga, supposedly new, supposedly
>sterile and sealed needle.  Supplied in your normal white envelope
>complete with the brown 'ok' symbol indicating the autoclave had
>behaved itself.  So far so good.

>We get home, open the needle packet, and lo and behold, they have sold
>us a very old/worn needle with FRESH BLOOD AND TISSUE on it. Fresh as in   
>it was still bright red and damp.

>Now what happens if we hadn't looked closely at that needle?  It scares
>me to think about it.  It also scares me to think about how many other
>customers may have had the same experience and not had the sense to avoid
>using an unclean needle.

>Any suggestions on how to handle this situation?   I don't think asking
>them to replace it is a sufficient response and I suspect that talking
>to the health department will result in a slap on the wrist (this is
>colorado you know, home of family values and to hell with those that
>don't fit in).  I should also mention that my SO works for a different
>tat shop and there is a business relationship at stake.

>-maureen
>          
> 
Maureen,
    In my opinion there are three approaches, battle them to put them out
of business, ignore the whole thing, or take some satisfying middle ground.
Usually IMHO battleing or ignoring end up in a place we don't want to be.
Perhaps approaching them, poiniting out what happened, getting your money
back, and posting the name and address of this shop is realistic.  Maybe
it's not the shop but one worker there.
    The buyer should always beware, especially when blood is involved.
However my comfort level, if that had happened to me, would be such as not
to do business with them until they could prove themselves as being
acceptably responsible.  Discuss this with your SO and get your SO's opinion as
well.  It's very possible that one person was tired and screwed up royally,
and on the other side maybe everyone is a screwup and they should be
closed.  However i believe one incident not to be too incriminating, but
certainly worth investigating.

Just my Opinion
Fast Freddie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DP)
Subject: countdown: T - 4 days and counting...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  pierce
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:03:00 GMT

	Okay, I'm doing it.  I've made an appointment w/ Victoria
@ Innovations in Leather in Boston.  This Friday the 13th (my birthday),
I am going to get a nostril and a nipple pierce.  Been wanting them for
a year-and-a-half now,  ever since I saw the nostril pierce my friend
Jodi has.  Since she wouldn't do it for me herself,  I decided to celebrate
my birthday in professional hands.
	I'll let you all know how it goes.
 						dp

_/\  /\ dp: (daniel prosser) == S7356911@UCSVAX.UCS.umass.edu  /\
   \/  \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/  \/~~~~~
	``Shit happ+++ATHO
NO CARRIER
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:02:47 -0500 
From: Edward Pak <ep2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: GUAGE size

   hows a 20 guage for an eyebrow?

EDDIE
From: klaus.gerken@synapse.org (Klaus Gerken) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: REMEMBRANCE DAY
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: klaus.gerken@synapse.org (Klaus Gerken) 

        REMEMBRANCE DAY

There were no flowers were they walked
In mud and hollow trenches in the war.
Far from home they waited for the news
But the only news that came was "When will you
Be Home?" And this no one could answer.
With little sleep and hollow eyes they prayed
For one full night of rest, without the whiz
And whorl and pounding of the guns. and no one knew
If this would be their last. It was the silence
That they prayed for really scared them: It was
The silence, For they knew the silence meant the end
Of all their journeys. The end of coming home.
The end of mud and war and the hoping somewhere
Somehow someone would survive to tell their folk.


                     11/11/92

Copyright (c) 1992 Klaus J. Gerken



*

You have given me so much
And what you have given was so subtle
That I hardly noticed
How you changed my life
In little ways
Like the way I look at you
And through you all the world
Becomes a differnt place
Flowers bloom on stranded rocks
And the desert stands in harmony with God
And I have been again when no one walks
Among the truly blessed
And all for what you've given me
Your love and your concern
Had I been this lucky when I was alive
You would have surely been there at my side
As it is I have murdered my own sanity
And have come to you too late.

                    11/12/92

*
     NEW WORLD

Cristopher Columbus wrote back
"This is Paradise"
And took another step
To make it Hell.

                    11/12/92

*

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From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Sado-Methodists
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:29:45 GMT
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard

E. P. Thompson cites, in _The Making of the English 
Working Class_, some fine specimens of early Methodist
hymnody. I hope their graphic vividness will please
the readers of this learned newsgroup.

Here, for example, is a little ditty which visualises 
the wound in Christ's side as a desired refuge from sin.

	O precious Side-hole's cavity
	I want to spend my life in thee....
	There in one side-hole's joy divine,
	I'll spend all future Days of mine.
	Yes, yes, I will forever sit
	There, where thy Side is split.

The same 'hole' is also described as the 'dearest little
opening of the sacred, precious and thousand times beautiful
little side', in which the 'worm' (i.e. sinful man) finds
'Lodging, Bed and Board'.

More on the same subject, by John or Charles Wesley:

	Come, O my guilty brethren, come,
	    Groaning beneath your load of sin!
	His bleeding heart shall make you room,
	    His open side shall take you in.

More of the same:

	Still the fountain of Thy blood
	    Stands for sinners open'd wide;
	Now, even now, my Lord and God,
	    I wash me in Thy side.

And more:

	We thirst to drink Thy precious blood,
	    We languish in Thy wounds to rest,
	And hunger for immortal food,
	    And long on all Thy love to feast.

More by Charles Wesley, in a somewhat different vein:

	Ah, lovely Appearance of Death,
	    No Sight upon Earth is so fair.
	Not all the gay Pageants that _breathe_
	    Can with a dead Body compare.

And here's one from Isaac Watts' 'Divine Songs for Children':

	When children in their wanton play,
	    Serv'd old Elisha so;
	And bid the prophet go his way,
	    "Go up, thou bold-head, go:"
	GOD quickly stopt their wicked breath,
	    And sent two raging bears,
	That tore them limb from limb to death,
	    With blood, and groans, and tears.

Well, pretty fab, or what?

Philip Nikolayev
nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
From: wachtel@canon.co.uk (Tom Wachtel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: another poem that is not mine
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: wachtel@canon.co.uk
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (Maven o'Mirth) writes:

> 		Ars Poetica
> 		------------------------
> 		A poem should be palpable and mute
> 		As a globed fruit,
> 
> 		Dumb
> 		As old medallions to the thumb,
> 
> 		Silent as the sleeve-worn stone
> 		Of casement ledges where the moss has grown --
> 
> 		A poem should be wordless
> 		As the flight of birds.
> 
> 			*
> 
> 		A poem should be motionless in time
> 		As the moon climbs,
> 
> 		Leaving, as the moon releases
> 		Twig by twig the night-entangled trees,
> 
> 		Leaving, as the moon behind the winter leaves,
> 		Memory by memory of the mind --
> 
> 		A poem should be motionless in time
> 		As the moon climbs.
> 
> 			*
> 
> 		A poem should be equal to:
> 		Not true.
> 
> 		For all the history of grief
> 		An empty doorway and a maple leaf.
> 
> 		For love
> 		The leaning grasses and two lights above the sea --
> 
> 		A poem should not mean
> 		but be.
> 
> 			-Archibald MacLeish


	a poem should not should
	nor would not bleed
	nor bloody deed not did
	nor couldn't can
	or be not am
	oh damn


"ars poetica" is an anagram of "prosaic tea", "opiate scar", "to
airspace" and "scare patio". "ars magna" is an anagram of "anagrams".

-- 

Tom Wachtel (wachtel@canon.co.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: rapu, rapu, how i love ya / Marek (was Re: Urdu Ignorance (part II))
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:15:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.223831.29375@news.acns.nwu.edu>, marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
(Marek Lugowski) writes:
> sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Sheila Herndon) writes:
> 
> >...here are some references, from the U of Md library,
> >I suppose the numbers are universal. I don't know.
> 
> they aren't.  There is a Dewey system and a Library of Congress system
> I forgot which is which *sheepish smile* -- but this isn't the one at 
> Northwestern -- it's the one at U of Chicago and Indiana University...
> 
> > 20 Glebov Nikolai Vlad>                              1967  MCK    STACKS
> >     Literatura urdu;  kratkii ocherk.                PK2031.G55

Oh, for urdu's sake!  (There!  I knew we'd find a use for it.)  This is
Library of Congress numbering.  Are you *sure* Northwestern doesn't use it?  
Most university libraries do.  Check again.

	
Marie Coffin
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: visa for the country of sleep / Marie Coffin
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:39:43 GMT


	visa for the country of sleep
	------------------------------------------------------------
	
	sleep sleep going to sleep
	what do you think about 
	what do you think
	when you're going to sleep
	
	going to sleep is not
	like to to the store
	it's more like going on
	a long journey
	and the stairs wind down
	into the dark
	only you don't know where
	so it's no use carrying 
	anything with you.
	
	but wherever it is
	i want you there
	so when i go to sleep
	i take you with me
	the mother of all
	imaginary playmates
	i call you in at dusk and say
	it's bedtime
	go to sleep.
	
	then i float into that strange land
	but not alone.  in my mind
	your arms surround me
	and my head fits under your chin
	you are
	the only cure for insomnia
	i've ever found.


Marie Coffin
November 9, 1992

Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: elee@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Salty Freckles)
Subject: Right now...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:15:12 GMT



            Born at Night
            -------------------

            Seven-thousand six-hundred and eighty-four
              Sunsets
              I have seen in my life

            But seven-thousand six-hundred and eighty-five
              Sunrises
              I have witnessed to this day


                                      - Gene Lee
                                        Fri Nov 13 13:05:09 EST 1992

Random butterfly thought as of here and now. C&C (Cabbage Rolls and Coffee)
always welcome.

Gene Lee
elee@descartes.UWaterloo.ca
From: klaus.gerken@synapse.org (Klaus Gerken) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: New Poems
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: klaus.gerken@synapse.org (Klaus Gerken) 

People are so happy
When they think they're happy
But they're not
     Begetting simplified solutions
     Begetting winter sun
     These people came undone
People are so sad
When they think they're sad
But they're not
     Letting complicated sequences
     Build a wall around them
     Letting walls of hope abuse them
People are so silly
When they think they're silly
But they're not
     The Devil understands them
     The gods with their minds obscure
     What they think they're fighting for
People are patriotic
When they think they're patriotic
But they're not
     Like lost sailors on the ocean
     Longing for a home
     They hug any shore for even though it isn't home
People are so diplomatic
When they think they're diplomatic
But they're not
     The shadow lies within them
     Their eyes and actions tell the tale
     When their lying fails
People are so happy
When they thin they're happy
But they're not
     They run into the temple
     Splatter incense on their souls
     Their souls desert them...fools!

          11/11/92

Copyright (c) 1992 Klaus J. Gerken

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From: bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Miester aLster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: cold electronic eyes...
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:30:43 GMT
Reply-To: bkv2673@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology



	   cold electronic eyes like to slip away
	because they're afraid of what they might say

					- aL
					  11/11/92
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Stable Configuration (c&c eagerly anticipated)
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:12:16 GMT

Stable Configuration

Secure in muscled arms, I dream of green,
That glows from deep-set eyes.  You are so far;
I stifle longing cries.  He is no bar;
Desire an ache he thinks I have not seen.

Without your touch, I find that we are lost.
You the stable point that we revolve 
Around.  Yours the strength and firm resolve
Among the splendor ofour lightnings tossed.

So we whirl within our reckless dance;
Our arms and legs entwined, our lips match lips.
But missing are your arms, your breasts, your hips;
So cold futility in every glance.

We told you go, so far and free to roam.
We were so wrong.  Forgive us, love, come home.

*****

M.A. Mohanraj
November 12, 1992


-- 
More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads.  One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness.  The other to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
						 - Woody Allen