HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Original_To:  BITNET%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:16:00 CST
From:         The Central Scrutinizer <CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Cobham/T.Williams/It's A Beautiful Day

  This is old news, but listening to some Mahavishnu Orchestra and Tony
Williams recordings made me remember something that came up in the rock vs.
jazz players discussion that Michael and JeffB were engaged in.  I didn't
save the posts in question, so I will have to paraphrase.  In discussing
what rock artists could be called on for jazz sessions, Jeff mentioned
Billy Cobham.  Michael responded that Cobham never was a rock drummer.

   In order to get some perspective, I'd have to ask if Michael considers
Tony Williams in the same light.  I tend to think of both of these guys as
drummers who can play either rock or jazz.  I think back to Cobham with the
Mahavishnu Orchestra (listen to "The Noonward Race" from _The Inner
Mounting Flame_ if you doubt this), Dreams, and also that short-lived
excursion with Bobby and the Midnites, and Williams work with the various
incarnations of Lifetime as evidence of their ability in the rock genre.
Of course, they play a lot of stuff in 23/16 time, so that alone may
disqualify them in some people's minds.  ;*)

   Of course, I also disagree with Da Beer saying that Bill Bruford
couldn't play jazz, so what do I know?  :*)

   Anyhow, where do you draw the line between a jazz and a rock drummer,
and why can't someone be both?  (I've got my own thoughts on the matter,
but first I'll try to get some cheap votes for "Allmusic Threadmaker" for
1993.  ;*)


   Today Michael said:

>I am extremely incensed at the dog-in-the-manger attitude of major labels who
>hold copyrights of important, in-demand records and won't make them available.
>Can you say _It's a Beautiful Day_? Thought you could.

   I'm curious about this one Michael.  This discussion came up before, but
I found this CD priced as high as what you would expect to pay for any
imports (~$25).  It was released by an outfit called (*synapse failure*)
San Francisco Sound (? -- they also have done some Moby Grape releases for
a slightly more reasonable price).  I think John Mc mentioned finding it as
an import.  So what's the scoop on this?  If CBS is sitting on this one (it
was originally on Columbia wasn't it?) then are these "grey market" CD's?


      bye,
      cmv ("chuck(no-nits-too-small-to-pick)rateez")
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:12:47 CST
From:         Andrew Vernon <AVERNON1@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Fave Songwriters
              26 Jan 1993 14:08:38 -0700 from <1418@EF.GC.MARICOPA.EDU>

>Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Andrew, being the type who likes good girls who go sexy, casts his vote
for Debbie Gibson. It's amazing what happens to a person once she hits
drinking age.

----------
      If you consider people's everyday lives to be rubbish,
      then there's something wrong with you!
                        --Deborah Gibson (_Between the Lines_)
----------
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  A n d r e w   V e r n o n  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
                 Funky... Unexpected... Introspective
            avernon1@ua1vm.ua.edu | avernon1@ua1ix.ua.edu
Between the Lines | Macintosh Association of the Capstone | DGIF #9691
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Acknowledge-To: <MIKE@WVNVM>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:26:53 EST
From:         Mike Karolchik <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      "mailbox full" traffic

I'm trying to take care of this problem. The user whose mailbox is full
is no longer on the list that I can tell. I've sent mail to the address
that is generating this mail but it's done no good so far. I'll try
working with AUVM to solve the problem. The list may be held for a while.

-Mike t.l.g.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:57:38 MST
From:         cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      splinters from the edge

Gary sed:

>> Andrew, being the type who likes good girls who go sexy, casts his vote
>> for Debbie Gibson. It's amazing what happens to a person once she hits
>> drinking age.
>>
>> ----------
>>       If you consider people's everyday lives to be rubbish,
>>       then there's something wrong with you!
>>                         --Deborah Gibson (_Between the Lines_)
>
>
>Wow! The Rev. Bob is gonna be doing backflips when he sees this one.
>And look Bob! he even called her Deborah! Bob's got a woodie, I know it.
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ummm... tell Bob to call me.  I have a job for him.

My favorite songwriter?  Richard Thompson of course!

OMC: I saw a Matt Johnson CD entitled _Conversations_.  Is this the same
     Matt Johnson from the The??

Luv,
Libby Doe, another good catholic girl whose gone sexy...  ;*)

"That Deborah Gibson quote has got to be one of the most profound things
I've ever heard.  Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha........ *snort*!  %-}
                             - Libby Doe (_Between the Sheets_)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: ALLMUSIC%AUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
X-VMS-To: IN%"ALLMUSIC%AUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu"
Approved-By:  DEANGE2_JODI@BENTLEY.BITNET
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:58:47 EST
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was DEANGE2_JODI@BENTLEY
From:         DEANGE2_@BENTLEY.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Recipient mailbox is full. Returning message to sender

 hey!  to my surprise I have 150 messages... I have seen this asked many times,

who is favorite musician?  I can't say I have one but I like Pearl Jam a hell
of a lot.  Not just the most popular stuff but their old stuff as Mothe rLove
Bone.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:52:31 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Take-home exam

>George Harrison's 1960s experiments with
>Indian flavored western pop, we tend to have great difficulty
>with it.  Were they unpopular because they were poorly done
>or because they strayed too far from the comfort zone of
>western pop?

  Probably unpopular because they were a good example
of neither eastern nor western music.  One of the
problems with crossovers is that it is rarely a synergistic
effect.  It is more often the opposite; the whole is less
than the sum of the parts.  But, there are success stories.
Musicals like Les Miserables and Phantom of the Opera are
classical - pop syntheses that are popular.

                -Tim
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Length: 2285
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:37:53 -0500
From:         "Gary M. Gettier" <gmg@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM>
Subject:      Song Listing for Compilation Tape

Before I get started here, an additional note should be added to the
last posting: DO NOT record your songs using any form of Dolby or DBX
noise reductions.

Hello everyone. What I have here is SOMEWHAT of what the compilation tape
is going to look like. This is not a guarantee. However, if everything
works out like is shown, there will be extra time left over. Many of
you could not give me exact times so I had to leave a little room for
error on each tape side. When I tape, I will jam pack every thing as best
I can. We have 34 participants. Doing a little math we have:

300 minutes / 34 is somewhere between 8:30 and 9:00 minutes

Not everyone is getting the same amount of time. Some get more. Some get less.
It all depends on how long your songs are. Some of you gave me 5 songs
that are all 5 or 6 minutes or more. I can't do a whole lot with that, except
only put one song on, for now. Some of you that responded I have never even
seen before on this list until now. You must understand that the people
that have been here longer and participate more often have priority. People
who are helping out with the tape have the highest priority.

There is some extra time left on the tapes as it is right now. And most
likely, a few people will drop out and won't eventually send me stuff. If
you are one of the people who only has 5 or 6 minutes, you can send me
other stuff, preferably stuff shorter in time. For that matter, ANYONE can
send me other stuff as long as it is clearly marked with TIME, ARTIST, and
TITLE. The shorter the song is in time, and the easier it is for me (i.e.
clearly labeled) the better chance it has of being added. Keep in mind that
if you are sending me a 100 minute tape with your songs on it, that tape will
be used as one of the tapes in your compilation set, so you don't want to put
too much stuff on there, and mess up sound quality. Also, if you are sending
me additional selections on tape, be sure to put them AFTER the songs that
are listed below.

There is no guarantee that anything extra you send me will end up on the
tape.

(on second thought, I'll send the song list after this, I don't want any of
 you skipping down to read the songs, PLEASE READ THE ABOVE...yes, I know
 I'm a bastard :-)

Seeya,
Gary     gmg@access.digex.com
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Approved-By:  Allmusic Editor <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:07:55 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Hot Needle of Inquiry

My disk packs went on strike this morning, followed by 200+ angry users,
I've been going toe-to-toe with IBMcode and IBMspeak over modding my CP,
my sinuses have taken more of a beating in this dry air than Iraq did in
Desert Storm, Bloomdido has left the ranks of the gainfully employed (-:,
there's 5 zillion messages piled up in =ALLMUSIC= I want to jabber about,
and *somehow* in the middle of all this, I missed my first anniversary on
the list.  Can you say "alternative", "rules of composition", "desert island"
&--well, better skip *that* one--?  Thought so.

Oh yes.  The title, because ever since I read it in a Niven short story, I've
wanted to steal it.  So there.

Frazzledly yourn,
kmk
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <SYSMGR@cbos.uc.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:42:00 -0800
From:         SYSMGR@CBOS.UC.EDU
Subject:      Recipient mailbox is full. Returning message to sender

Hi Allmusicers...


I'd sub, but my mailbox can't take the heat..

Someone please send me the address for the distribution of the
"Musical List of Lists".  (And an ftp site for back issues if
possible)

Much gratitude..

Mike

Mike Siciliano               Home Account---AXG2SJU@SJUMUSIC.STJOHNS.EDU
klac@musicb.marist.edu                       darian@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
msicilia@nyx.cs.du.edu                    msicilia@heartland.bradley.edu
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

- Is there anybody listening?  Is there anyone who smiles without
a mask?
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: allmusic@auvm.american.edu
X-VMS-To: IN%"allmusic@auvm.american.edu"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:07:28 -0400
From:         kyle legate <9013118@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Who do I contact?

Could someone please send me info as  to who to contact re: joining this
conference??
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Original_To:  ALLM
Original_cc:  OLIVOTTO
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:22:00 N
From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Maximum level of a CD

About CD level, Tim said:

>incidentally, since CDs are digital, and thus the max signal
>from a CD is fixed (at least, for a given CD player, the max
>signal for any CD should be the same) you shouldn't have to
>fool with level settings on the tape deck.  A given tape deck/
>CD player combo could always have the same input level setting.

and Ken replied:

>This I don't follow.  Most CD players send an analog signal to the amp--this
>is why DAT isn't actually going to give you a perfect copy of a CD.
>And most of my CDs make the meters jump around quite a bit when I record
>them.

        I guess that Tim is right. Let's forget about oversampling for a
second, and let's talk in terms of 16-bit code. When the signal is 0 dB,
it is [1111111111111111] (don't count, they're 16 1's of course :) ). You
can't push the level further while recording a digital medium, since it
won't *saturate* -- it will *clip*, which is pretty different. So, the
signals on the CD are all contained in the range 0 < number < (2^16)-1.
Even clipped, a signal can't exceed 0 dB. It's not uncommon, instead, that
one may push an analogue tape to +10 dB without many problems. The new Am-
pex tape (model... boh, 944 possibly) is claimed to have +9 dB of headroom.
with THD < 1% (Total Harmonic Distortion).
        That the analog translation of the signal is not totally linear it
is well known, but this shouldn't be much of a problem in general.
        The jumping meters mean that you have high dynamics, not necessarily
high signals.
        It is unfortunately true, by the way, that there are many CDs, espe-
cially old ones and those made off old analog masters, that actually sound
at a lower volume than you would expect. This is because the 16 bits aren't
fully exploited, and thus this means less dynamics, more noise, etc.

        Ciao, Marco
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Vmsmail-To: MUSIC
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:06:06 -0500
From:         The best things in life are chocolate <BECKERR@VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU>
Subject:      the *true* story

>>From:         cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
>>Subject:      RE: Kick me out after this one... :)
>>
>> I enjoyed your rundown of the ALLMUSIC get together... but... it was much too
>> polite!  ;)  We need someone to expose the *dirt* on what *really*
 happened...
>> their *unabashed* perceptions of these people in their non-virtual states
>> (Tim?).  I will, of course, encourage you to stray away from the actuality of
>> the events to make it entertaining.

>Tallest: Tim. Shortest: Ian. Most likely to stick to the subject: Alex. Least
>likely: Bloom. Air speed of a migrating swallow: depends which species.

>Truly, not much happened. We needed someone such as yourself to catalyze any
>truly interesting occurrences, and alas, it was not to be.
Actually Carol, they're all too embarassed to tell the truth.  We're still
cleaning up the used prophylactics and puke stains off the carpet.  The
Italians were just wild men.  And the groupies they brought with them..... ;)


Rachel
(missing, but not dead)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:45:54 MEZ
From:         Hosko <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Down By Law

  Have none of you seen the film 'Down By Law'? Tom Waits plays a major
roll in this, and it's brilliant - not just because I'm a Waits fan, but
because the film itself is well made, well acted (they got just the
right actor for each roll), its got a great dry sense of humor, and the
story line is good. If you haven't seen it then get it out from your
local videotec and be prepared for a treat.

Hosko
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:29:53 EST
From:         IQM253@URIACC.URI.EDU
Subject:      Re: More Bungle

Another Bungle EP actually does exists, and is entitled Bowl of Chili.
However, only (I believe) 1000 copies were made and could only be obtained
through underground means. Could this new EP be a rerelease of Bowl of Chili?

"I want you to hurt me"   - Mr. Bungle
-Steve

Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:35:55 MST
From:         cinnamon girl <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: the *true* story

Michael said:

>Tallest: Tim. Shortest: Ian. Most likely to stick to the subject: Alex. Least
>likely: Bloom. Air speed of a migrating swallow: depends which species.

Ummmm... Someday Libby will show you the speed of her swallow...   :*)


Rachel came forth and spoke the truth:

>>Truly, not much happened. We needed someone such as yourself to catalyze any
>>truly interesting occurrences, and alas, it was not to be.
>Actually Carol, they're all too embarassed to tell the truth.  We're still
>cleaning up the used prophylactics and puke stains off the carpet.  The
>Italians were just wild men.  And the groupies they brought with them..... ;)

Well... that's more like it!  ;*)  And I bet that the prophylactics used by the
Italians were extra-large size, eh!   ;)

And speaking of parties, I went to a cabaret on Sat. night with the hockey
player (he and 200 other hockey players) and I won a compilation CD.  I won it
in the Limbo contest. The DJ (one of the local radio personalities) awarded it
to me for being the first one to knock the bar down with her breasts.  :-/  :)
(Mr.Tit Man...  does that impress you?)  :)

OMC:  I heard a song the other day called "Dogs of Lust" by The The. It got my
musical juices flowing and I'd like to know more about this group.  Anyone?

- Carol
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Original_To:  BITNET%"allmusic@auvm.bitnet"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:42:00 CST
From:         TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
Subject:      Praxis video (was: Junkyard)

> and he got this whimpering look in his eyes and he mewled, "Well I
> saw some Praxis on video [?? is this true? possible? what video?]
> and [whine] I thought they were kind of... weird"

Well, I can't say I've seen it myself, but I do have the radio-promo CD for
Animal Behavior in my care. It features a 2:50 radio-edit, the full album
version, and a "video version" that is just a 4:30 edit of the original
album version. Someday I'll get the nerve to slip the radio-edit into my
top-40 shift on the local "contempory hit radio" station I pretend to work
for, but actually use as an excuse to watch 7 hours of Star Trek each week
and get paid for it. (Four re-runs of the old Trek, the current episodes of
the Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, and a couple reruns of the Next
Generation. Sometimes after Bulls games, they even show the old animated
episodes from the 70's!)

Talkin' bout Bootsy reminds me of his appearance on David Sanborn's Night
Music. He did a regular tune with his band, but at the end there was a jam
tune with just about eveybody on the show including Carla Bley on keys and
Steve Swallow on lead-bass (And no, 'swallow' wasn't just thown in there to
see if Carol was still watching. ;-) Aack! Can I be that crude and/or harsh
when I've mostly been just a lurker on Allmusic for almost a year now?!?!?

(Well, I used to be a regular. It's just that working 4 jobs (70 hrs/week)
and going to school cuts down on my e-mail writing.)

I know, I'll make it up to you Carol. You've always had your hopes up for
an Allmusic nude calender, so for the upcoming allmusic compilation tapes,
I'll 'submit' (yet another Carol buzzword ;-) Ahem, as I was saying: I'll
submit a photo of me playing volleyball at the nudist colony last summer.

But only if you'll do the same. ;-)

                                             Love and Kisses,
                                             Tom, the Buck-Naked

P.S. In any case, I promise to submit a better picture than the last one I
used for the first Allmusic Complation tapes. I'll send in an actual print
rather then scanning it and sending that in....
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Approved-By:  Allmusic Editor <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:10:39 EST
From:         Mick Jeffries <MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      re: Black Tape


John,

that sounds like a fine addition to the collection.  What label is it on
 anyway?  You paint it rather 4AD ish, which isn't a bad thing, IMHO.
 Certainly some of the finest, mythic album art ever.

BTW, ever check out Hugo Largo?  what about David Sylvian/Japan's
  Rain Tree Crow rec.?

 In aquaspheric reverence,

Mick Jeffries/  Univ. Kentucky
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <SYSMGR@cbos.uc.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:26:00 -0800
Comments:     <Parser> W: Invalid RFC822 field - "well,
              there's _boiled alive '92_,
              which is a cassette-only live album.". Rest of header flushed.
From:         SYSMGR@CBOS.UC.EDU
Subject:      Recipient mailbox is full. Returning message to sender

>They do a really cool mix of eastern Euro
>pean, British, and American folk music, with a strong alternative twist to it.
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

gee, i prefer lemon in my folk, don't you?

woj
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Approved-By:  Allmusic Editor <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:19:39 EST
From:         Eric Dennis Wincentsen <267@ef.gc.maricopa.edu>
Subject:      Egghead


I never said he'd support him. Recall Biafra's spoken word album "No More
Coccoons" where he does quite a bit of bashing upon the Reagan Administration.
I believe whaen I said he's focusing his attention on writing stuff for
Clinton, I actually meant ABOUT Clinton. No positive connotation intended.
Indeed, I think he'll bash Clinton just as hard as he's bashed any other
power authority.
        In the future, look for songs containing material concerning Bush's
bye-bye message to Iraq and about a present president not inhaling or now
waging a nice war and loving it now that he can't be drafted.

                                eGGHEAD  :-)~
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Now THAT sounds more like Biafra. Still, I think Lard needs a lot of
working on before it is even half as good as Dead Kennedys or that album
with D.O.A.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <SYSMGR@cbos.uc.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.allmusic
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:38:00 -0800
From:         SYSMGR@CBOS.UC.EDU
Subject:      Recipient mailbox is full. Returning message to sender

>         Macbeth, the cop killer.

>P.S. Oh yeah, forgot to tell ya: most of the stuff you listed falls
>into the category of 'popular music' (tm). Beware!

  Uh oh.  Looks like Ilia wants a job as one of the bouncers....


                                     ;-)

                                        -Tim
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU