Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:11:15 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>  Andronikos Romanos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: ANSWER I TO SVILEN

Svilen Tzonev (svilen@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu) writes in Message <Bvtyt
M.5ts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> :

> Andronikos,
> My remark on Milan Pavlovic's words:
> was
>    BRAVO Mr. Pavlovic!
>    Maybe your next appeal will look like:
>   "Fellow orthodox greeks - it's high time to divide Macedonia!
>    :::::::::::::::               ::::::::::   ::::::
>    MACEDONIA =  HELLAS + SOUTH SERBIA" ?
>    :::::::::  ::       ::
>    very curious, Svilen
>
> In what follows I'll fulfill your desire and explain you what I
> meant.
> the country.  Between 1918 and 1945 it was South Serbia. I just
> asked him if he wants it to be again...

You use the word "divide" and imply that Greece may attempt inva-
sion. This would be A JOKE for those who know the slightest thing
about the political situation in Athens, Thessaloniki, Patra etc,
if this remark wasn't used persistently by anti-Greek propaganda.
So I wanted to make it clear once again.

> You  don't  have to accept this analogy  stemming  from Milan's
> words, neither do I

Right!  Neither Milan nor I said something like that.

> Serbia is pushed in the corner, so Greece may be,
> serbians fight, so greeks may have to... Bad analogy, right?

I can not understand the sentence.   The whole analogy was bad.

> While denying existence of MaCedonia, is Milan inferring South
> Serbia, again?  That is my question, Andro.

Why can not you accept that he consistently mentions and recogni-
zes that there is only one provinse with the critical name, con-
fined within Greece?
(which is -by the way- what he himself said.)

The inference argument is rather weak: Greece doesn't recognize a
foreign "Macedonia". Does this mean that Athens proposed  "South
Serbia"?
The only person  ever drawing a scenario about his country inva-
ding the ex-Yugoslav republic was, I think, L.Boyanov...

> To restate:
> MACEDONIA (REGION) = MACEDONIA  +  MAKEDONIA = SOUTH SERBIA +
> HELLAS?
> What do YOU think?

The equation appears somewhat unappealing to me. I would prefer

   "Northern Greece"   +   "peacefull neighbors"  probably asso-
(Macedonia and W.Thrace) (even in new formations)   ciated to the
                                                     EEC  as well
                                            for further security,
                                       and unthreatening settling
                                of people wherever they feel that
                         their "roots" are, without need to forge
                    history to the extreme.

Anyway, I hope Skopje will  not  have claims on the south.  Other
than that I might even add an "Illyria" to the schedule. Yet, I'd
not bet even a dime on the stability of  this  relatively diverse
entity in the central of the Balkans   and  only  hope that not a
single drop of blood will be spilled...

                   <AN UNNAMED TOPIC DELETED>

> I will not answer to this part unless you insist very much.
> I just try to be polite. Are you?

Were you?

> WHY ALL this complications, Andro?

You took a simple "logo"  and made it appear to some netters (in-
cluding myself), as if Greece entertained the though or an invita-
tion towards military invasions. I merely followed your lead.
If you think/agree that it was a misunderstanding based on diffe-
rent terminology that is OK.  I will not continue.

> I asked a question. Why didn't the guy answer me plainly: "NO"?

:-)   Ask him.  He does not pay me to be his attorney.   :-)

> Now I ask you since you seemingly like to answer instead of
> Milan.............. ;-)

Interference is part of the game in the network Svilen...
I only discussed things that  I thought that were interesting ab-
out Greece and the impossible invasion plan.
Boyanov and you do the same thing when something  relates to Bul-
garia -as I remember from a particular case a few months ago.

> Svilen
> P.S. Sorry for ANSWER I ;-)

OK.  I understood that something went wrong.  It is not the first
time ! ! !

Andronikos