HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: Is Windows 3.0 programming very different from OS/2 PM  prog.?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
	<1992Oct9.184848.20348@njitgw.njit.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.184848.20348@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

   As for X-windows, again, you have the event-driven system, but it gets
   a bit strange from there.  Instead of having one event procedure for
   all the objects in a window, you have a separate procedure for each
   object.  You have to program for the window manager (usually Motif

That is actually one of the best things about X programming. You define
an object and its behavior. It is what object-orientation is about.

   around NJIT, but it could be different) as well as for X-windows.  You
   can ignore the window manager, but you'll be missing out on a lot of
   useful facilities.

You use toolkits. Very rarely you need to use low level calls to Xlib.
There are some very nice C++ libraries of classes that handle complete
screen objects. You may disregard the wwindow manager. but usually you
do not want to (Motif compliance is a requirement for many
applications).

Another excellent thing about programming in X is that you can use
resource files to customize the final look of the application. You can
take the application (a well designed one, mind you) to the customer
and in front of his eyes you can adjust it to his/her likes and
dislikes.

That is UI. SunOS has also nice multithreading capabilities (light
weight processes), crtical regions (monitors), pipes, signals, etc.,
etc.  SOLARIS is even better. It is fun to use UNIX for development.
It really is.

In UNIX, like in NT, you do not get a glass hour cursor that can lock
your workstation. If you move out of the window of the application,
you are free to do anything else. I find it annoying in OS/2.
If IBM gets rid of the bugs, provides SVGA and fixes the message
queue problem, it will be a very good system as well. I really like
WPS.

A few days ago I saw a demo of UNIX under NeXT. That is everything you
would want on your desk. It is a mixture of the best things from
others (MAC, PC, UNIX) plus some ingenious innovations. Unfortunately,
it costs a fortune. I think that Jobs & Co. set the direction for
everybody else.
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Andrzej Bieszczad                     | Phone:  (613) 763-2259
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.,         | Fax:    (613) 763-2626
Dept. 9K12, P.O. Box 3511, Station C, | email:	andrzej@BNR.CA
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal)
Subject: Information about video drivers for OS/2 2.0...
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:15:00 GMT

Here is some info. I got from an IBM'er:
(Albert Shan is his name)

Tseng ET4000 drivers will be in the Service Pack, they will be 32-bit,
256 colour drivers for VGA, SVGA, and 1024X768.

32-bit XGA-2 drivers for all of XGA-2's resolution's/color combinations
will be released in a couple of weeks, maybe with the Service Pack.

32-bit 256-color drivers for ATI, CIrrus, Western Digital, & Paradise
cards will be available before 1993.

32-bit 8514/A drivers will be available before 1993.


ALL of the above drivers are being written by IBM!

When I asked A.S. about the availability of drivers that support more
than 256 colors (such as Tseng cards with HiColor) he said that IBM will
only make 32-bit 256color drivers...but IBM will give the source code for
the drivers to the companies (ATI drivers to ATI for example) and he said
that it won't be too hard for the company to then modify the drivers to
support 16-colors, or HiColor, etc...

I haven't heard/read much about S3 drivers.  I almost positive their will
be drivers coming out in 1992.   I don't know if IBM is making them or
if S3 is, or both.

Oh yeah, ATI is shipping 16-bit OS/2 2.0 drivers with its new Ultra Plus
and Ultra Pro cards.  ATI says that they have been tested under OS/2 GA
and the OS/2 beta that is currently available.


Well, it looks like everybody is *finally* going to get video drivers,
and not a moment too soon...

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: apas611@chpc.utexas.edu (David Boles)
Subject: Re: Why XGA-2, Revisited
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:50:39 GMT

Since some people ou there seem to be saying that "normal" users
don't need >256 colors, I thought I'd give some specs on a current
graphics system that is deemed economically viable (i.e., it is a
product).  6-7 years ago workstations had 8-bit color with nice
colormapping hardware and true-color was around thought rare.

Manufacturer: Silicon Graphics
Product Name: Reality-Engine (just in case you want to buy one)

frame buffer:
12-bits each for R, G, and B plus 12-bits of alpha (transparency).
quad-buffered (i.e. there are 4 seperate 48-bit frame buffers)
32-bits Z-buffer (used for front-to-back rendering affect in hardware)
320,000,000 pixels a second fill rate (with full-scene anti-aliasing)

This is for a single-seat workstation for use by an individual.  I
submit that this level of performance will be available for semi-
normal user's in less than 10 years at reasonable cost.

Cheers,

David Boles
(A happy, but not yet fully satisfied user of a 32-bit color double-buffered
graphics workstation with only 24 bits of Z-buffer resolution. :-(  )

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.misc:32295 comp.os.os2.programmer:5518
From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Can other CD ROM Players read the OS/2 DAP CD?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:52:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: sundaram@arctic.cps.msu.edu


Hi all,

I have access to cd-rom players for the amiga 2000. I was wondering if there
was any way to read the stuff off the DAP CD and bring it down to my PC. Can
I use the CD-player for the Amiga to read the DAP? Can I use a cd-player that
runs fine under DOS/Windows to read and copy files or install stuff from the 
OS/2 DAP CD?

I would appreciate any views that anybody has on this....


-- 
Thanks
Divya
(sundaram@cps.msu.edu)
Phone:	Office - 517-355-3265
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: VideoBlaster and OS/2
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:12:47 GMT

In article <sal8.61.718909673@po.cwru.edu> sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
> On that note, are there any boards of this type that _do_ work under OS/2? 
>I'd love to be able to watch TV in a window while I pretend to do other 
>work. :)

IBM's PS/2 TV product does.  I believe I also list a third party
product in the FAQ List (2.0f, presently in /pub/uploads but soon to
be moved).

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | The OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST 2.0f is avail.
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | from 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [For the Internet, vote Clinton-GORE this year.]
From: tc@soda.berkeley.edu (Tc Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: BETA, no need to format!!!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:08:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1bfvr8INNni5@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>	back to what they were.
>
>-so, have i missed anything anywhere?
>

Try this:  even easier:  Just skip all the steps you described and
install the beta directly over your old copy of v2.0GA.  I did this
(as an experiment) and everything is fine.  The install even
preserved [most of] the original configuration, and the desktop was
upgraded where necessary, untouched where unnecessary.

So far nothing has gone wrong, except for the bugs that other people
are reporting also...


-- 

tc

===============================================================================
From: easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: looking for REXX script MAKEBOOT ...
Date: 12 Oct 1992 23:21:58 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

You can also try the SE20BOOT package from software.watson.ibm.com
This is the official IBM version of a REXX script to create a bootable 
OS/2 system.  It can be used for diskettes and hard drives.

/===========================================================================\
|  Robert D. Reynolds               |      You may choose      GOOD         |
|  easyrob@cs.utexas.edu <INTERNET  |      any TWO you         /  \         |
|  (512) 345-8509        <TELEPHONE |      wish!              /    \        |
|====================================================\       /      \       |
|  I have been known to work, but I have never been  |      /        \      |
|  known to speak for an employer or even like 'em   |    FAST ---- CHEAP   |
|  most of the time.  Well there is PAYDAY!  :-)     |                      |
\===========================================================================/
                              GO TEAM OS/2 !!!
From: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Rumor about IBM'S CD ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Organization: New Mexico State University - Electromagnetics Group


In an article joiner@exa.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner) writes:
>In <9y4JsB6w165w@gnct.com> garyng@gnct.com (garyng) writes:
>
>>I have read that one cannot directly install from IBM's CD but to copy its
>>content to 22 floppies and install from there, would someone please tell
>>me that it is a joke.
>
>It's a joke.  Assuming you have a supported CD-ROM drive and SCSI adapter,
>you install from the CD.  You first make a two-disk boot set of floppies
>from the CD, then boot from these, and the rest comes off the CD
>directly.

I believe this is true of OS/2 2.0 itself but according to PC Week some
of the packages included on the CD require you to first build floppy copies
of the package before it can be installed. I believe that TCP/IP was one of
these but can't remember which other packages may have been mentioned. I
don't believe the diskette requirement for these packages was as outrageous
as the 22 for OS/2 2.0 itself though.

Gary Hennigan
---------
PhD Student, Computational Electromagnetics
New Mexico State University
email: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
From: me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS2SYS.INI size
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:27:45 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

My OS2SYS.INI file has bloated to 1.5MB.

Is it supposed to be this big ?

OS2.INI is only 400k

Is there a way of making the INI file smaller -
clearing out garbage etc..

Disk space is getting a little tight ...

Thanks,
	Paul
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS2 BETA - dos emulation not as good?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:09:22 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

iam@stiatl.salestech.com (Ian Mercado) writes:
>jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards) writes:
>>>	We don't have Compuserve access, and our report that we E-mailed
>>>to their tech-support address was met with "we are not supporting 
>>>the Beta version" as their reply.

>The address I was given was 76711.610@compuserve.com
>I just sent 6 reports to them today, and I assume that this is where they
>should go.

There have been reoprts saying that this address is not dealing with
beta bug reports. You can send beta bug reports to Sam Detweiler:

71075.2430@compuserve.com

I asked him specifically about this, and he said he was willing. So,
give it a try.

Tom
From: rshelley@riscy.simplot.com (Robert Shelley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone got 123 3.1 running in beta OS/2?
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:55:00 GMT
Organization: J. R. Simplot Co., Boise Id.

Yes, please HELP!  I need the settings for the GA and the BETA versions.
No matter what I try it won't run.  It used to run on GA by starting it
with a batch file called 123R3.bat that had:

echo off
cls
set dos 16m=2
set 123memsize=4076
123dos.exe

Now I get the can't run under OS/2 thingy....

TNX in advance.....
Robert                       rshelley@riscy.simplot.com


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: Os/2 and second drives
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:31:04 GMT

One minor gootcha te be aware of...

OS/2 2.0 insists that the first partition on the first drivee be C:,
and the first partition on the second drive be D:.

E.g. If your existing first drive currently has more than one partition,
     (C: and D:), it's second partition (D:) will no longer be D: --
     it will now show up as E:.  The new physical drive will be D:.
From: bask@ra.cs.umb.edu (Brian Pedranti)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: 2HD controllers. HELP!
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:21:25 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS


	   Hello, I am trying to install OS/2 2.0.
	   My setup is:
		386-33      Diamond SpeedStar+ Hi-color 
		8megs RAM
		120 meg. IDE HD w/IDE interface card  == primary HD
		68meg. MFM HD w/seagate ST21M		  == secondary HD

 	This works fine for DOS/Windows. BUT OS/2 just hangs when booting.
	The silly logo screen comes up. Then it hangs.

	I first tried to install it with both controller cards in. It got to
	the point where it installs 5 disks, asks for the installion
	disk,then to remove the installion disk and press enter. It hangs
	right there. If I take the ST21M out it boots and works fine.

	This setup really works for DOS and Windows. They both don't care 
	what the HD IO ports are. UNIX supports 2 controllers. 
	Does OS/2? What do I have to tell OS/2 about the second HD
	controller.

	I rather run Windows(with sound blaster support) than waste a
	68meg HD that is full of software!

												Brian Pedranti

	Please reply to me: bask@ra.cs.umb.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb)
Subject: HELP - I can't boot OS/2 anymore
Originator: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:05:20 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


After adding a SCSI CD-ROM drive on my PS/2 90 I can no longer boot
OS/2 because it was installed on a logical D: drive that now is an E:
drive.

I edited config.sys and changed the D: to E: and I can actually boot
but my desktop does not show up.

Are there hidden drive letters in the desktop extended attributes or
in the .ini files?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
-- 
Dave Kolb                     Opinions are mine not SAS'
SAS Institute, Inc.           EMAIL:      sasdxk@unx.sas.com
SAS Campus Drive - J206       Phone:      (919) 677-8000 x6827
Cary, NC  27513-2414 USA      FAX:        (919) 677-8123

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: lan manager
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.networking
Keywords: does any version work under 2.0?!!
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:55:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.145401.7910@fwi.uva.nl> frans@fwi.uva.nl (Frans Lotty) writes:
>does anyone know if there currently is a version
>of MS Lan Manager which WORKS under OS2 version 2.0?
>We tried it using a Ungerman Bas ethernet NIU card on
>an 386DX-33 with 16 mb memory. but got the machine
>hanging only, it says something about a hardware or software/jumper error

LAN Manager server apparently will not work under OS/2 2.0.  It comes
with its own version of OS/2 1.3 which you'll have to use.

As of LAN Man 2.1a, however (a free update from 2.1), the requester
now works under OS/2 2.0.  So your client machines can be based on
2.0.

If you want the server to be 2.0 as well, you'll have to jump ship to
IBM's LAN Server (2.0 basic or the forthcoming 3.0).

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | The OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST 2.0f is avail.
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | from 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [For the Internet, vote Clinton-GORE this year.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: Dual Monitors (Mono/Trident 8900 VGA) Problem
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:21:03 GMT

!!! HELP !!!

I have read this entire file and tried everything I can.

I CANNOT get my F***ing Trident 8900 card to deal with any of the drivers
downloaded from hobbes.  No matter what I've done, I always end up with
a blank screen after the logo.

One strangeness I've observed -- has anyone else seen this?
When I type DDINSTAL from an os/2 window, it just seems to sit there
for a while.  I bring up another window to look around, and up comes
DDINSTAL.  I've not tried reall hard to figure this out...  Is it normal
for DDINSTAL to take a while to come up?

I've removed the card jumper for 72hz.  I've gone to a full-screen-DOS-
session and done SVGA ON.  (The settings in SVGAData.pmi DID change after
the 72hz jumper removal.)  The pmi file appears to be meaningful -- it
says "Trindent 8900" call over it.  I checked the chip number -- it is
an "C" version.
I've pulled out all other cards (obviously exceppt for the IDE hard-disk
 card), to make sure it's not a strange conflict.  No difference.
I've downloaded all the files from hobbes again, via a different computer,
unzipped, and DIFFed them.  No differences, transmission must've been ok.
I've used DDINSTAL, I've copied the files directly over
\OS2\DLL\DISPLAY.DLL while under OS/2 1.3.
I've installed (and had to uninstall) all the contents of:
  VSVGA.ZIP
  TR256FIX.ZIP
  TRID_FIX.ZIP
I'm on a 486-33mhz, 16mgRAM, 256k cache 70nS, 2 210mg ide drives,
Svga color, trident8900C.  DOS 4.01 FAT partition C:, OS/2 1.3 partition
also on C:, os/2 2.0 partition D:.

Anything I missed?  Please e-mail me at mikel@networx.com.
I will summarize replies here.  Thanks in advance...
From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Kenneth A. Kahn)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 04:48:21 EDT
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What do you recommend for CompuServe?
Organization: Staff of IBM Fellow - IBM Personal/370
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
X-X-From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Kahn)

In <Bw2M8v.D31@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Eric Giguere writes:
>I want to access the IBMOS2 conferences on CompuServe and I'd rather do
>it offline as much as possible.  What software packages do you recommend?
>OS/2 would be best, but I can live with DOS or Windows navigators...
>

First off, the IBM Conferences in CIS recently were the target of a major
reorganization.  The existing IBMOS2 and OS2DEV were split into 4 separate
conferences:

                          IBMOS2
                            |
            +---------------+----------------+---------+
            |               |                |         |
          OS2USER         OS2SUPPPORT      OS2DF1    OS2DF1

OS2USER)

 This is a general purpose user forum, intended for all OS/2 related
 items. It will also be a place for users to 'hang-out' and discuss OS/2
 with peers, not necessarily IBM personnel or SYSOPS. Some sections will
 be monitored by IBM and are intended as feedback sections to IBM.

OS2SUPPORT

 This forum will switch from the initial 'best effort' basis to answer
 questions and encouragement of peer-to-peer support, to an official
 IBM support forum. SYSOP's will guarantee all questions are answered
 correctly if given by a peer, or will get an official answer. IBM'ers
 will be assigned individual section and be responsible for all appends
 in that section. The SYSOP roster will identify the CIS ID's of the
 section SYSOP's and area's of expertise. Some SYSOP's will 'float' or
 do administrative tasks, and they will also be identified as to area
 of expertise. Two additional ID's are active to receive formal problem
 reports. A proper answer to some questions will be to submit a formal
 report to one of those ID's. This forum is intended to support IBM OS/2
 2.0 only at this time. All sections will use the work QUESTION rather
 than PROBLEM in the section title.

The otther two sections, OS2DF1 and OS2DF2 and sort of 'expert areas' where
you can ask questions on specific topics (I don't have the descriptive
text for these available like the two above).

As for your original question (finally :-) if you want an OS/2 Solution
run don't walk and order a copy of Golden CommPass.  This is a pure OS/2
solution that runs with multiple threads and uses PM GUI interfaces for
all of it's functions.  Once you use it you'll never look back.

Creative Systsms Programming Corp.
P.O. Box 961
Mt Laurel,  NJ  08054-0961
(609)-234-1500
CIS : 71511,151
From: gsk@idx.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: COUNTRY.SYS not found solution
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:50:02 GMT
Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT

-- 
				-- George --

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- George Kaczowka   IDX Corp  Marlboro, MA  - gsk@idx.com  -
------------------------------------------------------------
From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: What kind of SCSI will work with OS/2
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:45:05 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research, Hopkinton, MA


I have been looking at adding a SCSI controller to my PC (which is 
already running with an IDE drive which I will be keeping).  I have
seen a lot of talk about the Adaptec 1542 controller, but the price is
out of my range.  I have seen some 16 bit controllers that are going
for as little as $60 new, but I am worried that they may not work
properly.

My questions are:  

1.  I thought that IBM had a generic SCSI driver that should work with
most SCSI controllers.  How do they do this (does it have different
information for different controllers in it)?  If there is a generic
SCSI driver, why are there Adaptec specific drivers?

2.  How will I know if the controller I buy will work with my system?

3.  Is it really worth spending the >$200 for an Adaptec, or would I
just be spending a lot for a name?

4.  If the Adaptec controllers really are all that much better
supported, is it worth it for me to cut corners and get a 1522 (no
bus mastering) for almost half the price of the 1542?  Will this be
supported with the same drivers as the 1542?

Thanks,
--

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|Jeff Griglack             |"To mess about with typewriters and latch keys    |
|jeff@claw.clearpoint.com  | and call it work!"                               |
|jeff@fang.clearpoint.com  |                          -- E.M. Forster         |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jim@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Tremain)
Subject: Re: OBackup info request
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:08:40 GMT

I am still looking for a floppy based backup program.  I am interested in
OBackup, but I don't know how to contact the author.  The Doc's state that
support is given on CIX at  01-390-8446 and no price is listed, not much
help to me.  Is their another way to get the software or contact the
Author.  By the way - OBack124 does not work for me.  I would still like to
test this software first.

Jim Tremain
EMail: Jim@biology.watstar.uwaterloo.ca

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.multimedia
From: hanyeu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Han-Yeu Huang)
Subject: Re: CDROM experts PLEASE HELP ME!!!
Keywords: CDROM CD ROM gods experts question msdos extensions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:38:55 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc