From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Partial repost: (Re: Urban Sindh's performance in CSS)
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:58:31 GMT
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Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

Following is Saad Shafqat's deduction from the fact that urban Sindh apparently
performed poorly in the CSS exam. After that, I have included those parts of my
posting strictly related with this deduction. Apparently this part went into
the background, and no body cared to comment.

In article <1992Jul18.041614.22786@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>In article <3928@news.duke.edu> shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:
>>
>>So now, with no urban Sindhis in the top 10 CSS performers, it has 
>>been amply demonstrated that urban Sindhis are not difficult to
>>compete with.  They are no competition for anyone willing to work
>>hard.  Finally, the old stereotypes can be shed: these guys are
>>just like anyone else.
>>
>>Finally, phew!
>>
>>:-) :-) :-).
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 

............... stuff deleted.

>
>
>THERE IS NO DENYING of the fact that the educational facilities available
>in Pakistan's urban centers are far better than those affordable in rural
>areas. Since Sindh is the topic of discussion here, I can safely say that
>Karachi has the best instituitions in Sindh province. People living in 
>Karachi are beyond any doubt at an advantage. Those losers who suggest that
>population-ratio based quotas are unfair to "muhajirs" imply that there is
>something inherently better about "muhajirs" because of which a "muhajir"
>deserves better than what a non-"muhajir" does. This is implied directly
>by the suggestion that in the absense of a population-based quota system,
>"muhajirs" would get more than what they would according to their quotas.
>
>If the precise interpretation of Dr. Shafqat's contention is that "muhajirs"
>are not more difficult to compete than are non-"muhajirs", then a population-
>based quota scheme ensures that they get _at least_ what they deserve. In 
>such a case, "muhajirs"' whining is nothing more than a pressure tactic.
>
>That the "muhajirs" are in a better position to perform well because of their
>concentration in major cities cannot be questioned. To suggest that their
>ability to perform well is independent of where they live, is to say that they
>are genetically a superior race, which most people would not only find difficult
>to agree with, but would take as something that corroborates the contention 
>that "muhajirs" are fascists. More interestingly, if inspite of all the
>advantages that "muhajirs" have over non-"muhajirs" (specially in Sindh),
>people from rural Sindh perform better than them on a certain test, it only
>challenges the contention that "muhajirs" would do very much better in the
>absense of quota system. The figures I had provided were only about the top
>10. The fact that there isn't a single "muhajir" in this group doesn't surprise
>me particularly because "muhajirs" being about 2% of Pakistan's population
>are less than 1/10 of the population. Similarly I won't be surprised if
>someone comes up with detailed figures.. say for instance about the first
>50, with a percentage of "muhajirs" higher than their population ratio
>in Pakistan.
>
>If, by chance, there is a lower percentage of "muhajirs" than their population
>ratio in the country, even according to more detailed results, then, the logic
>that is otherwise used to claim their inherent superiority can be used to
>conclude that they are essentially inferior. In such a case, the quota system
>should help them. I personally won't vouch on such an arguement.
>

Nadeem

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Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
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