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From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: DODGERS/Giants Game Tuesday--for you East Coasters
Date: 7 Apr 1992 23:12:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Last year I tried to post brief hilights from late night Dodger
games and many many East Coast baseball fans asked me to please
do the same this year.  I guess many East Coast papers don't carry
the final scores for these late ending games....soooooo

Orel Hershiser was very effective tonight, holding the gi ants to
3 cheap singles in 7 innings + .  The last single came in the 8th, and
Orel was removed for Steve Wilson.  Wilson got Clark, the only batter
he faced, then Roger McDowell came on to get the next two outs.
Roger pitched the ninth and struck out the side while walking one.

The Dodgers scored when Kal Daniels hit a double off Kelly Downs and
Strawberry hit a home run.  Later in the game, Scioscia walked and
Brett Butler got a cheap triple, scoring Scioscia all the way from
first.  The Dodgers loaded the bases in the 7th and 8th innings, and
each time Jose Offerman made outs.

Final score:		Dodgers 3	Gi ants 0
Hershiser gets the win, McDowell the save.

One final note of interest.  Since joining the Dodgers last year, Steve
Wilson has yet to allow a single runner to score, INCLUDING Spring training
games.  I think Scully said he was in 9 games last year and of course both games
this year.  I hope Crews was watching from the bullpen :-)

					BleedsDodgerBlue

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Subject: Re: Free magazine offer from a NY company.
From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi)
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:25:22 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Apr6.015249.8799@tellab5.tellabs.com> rgarg@tellab3.tellabs.com writes:
>
>I came across a company called "COLLEGETOWN MAGAZINE
>SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE" in New York.
>
>Right now, they are taking new business from present customers
>only. So, it would help to mention my name, Roger, as
>present customer.

No flames, but Roger forgot to mention that he will receive a free 1 year 
magazine subscription for each person refer his name.

PS: I ordered UnixWorld magazine from them 1 year ago, and hasn't received
it as of today.  My MacWorld magazine (the free one) arrived about > 5 months
after.  My girlfriend received her ComputerWorld magazine for a few months
(2 - 3 months) and then stopped.  She received 3 issues of GoodHousekeeping
and has stopped since last August 1991.  But He promised that they (CW & GH)
will arrive in April or May, for a full one year subscription.   
for each people refer his name.

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From: macole@next11csc.wam.umd.edu (Mario A. Cole)
Subject: Re: Player Info Needed
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:23:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.200024.6628@odin.corp.sgi.com>  
luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
> Does anyone have information about the following players? Mostly I'm
> interested in their chances for playing time and if the fit into the  
teams 
> plans for the future.
> 
> Darryl Boston - With the OF the Mets have will he get any AB's?

Well, Darryl may have his big chance to contribute now that Vince Coleman  
is injured.  He may not be the best player on the team...but he is a good  
fielder, can hit for power with his "Will Clark-like" swing, and his is a  
good base runner.  I believe that in the 4-0 loss to Montreal, he had a  
triple.  (or was it another loss?)  But since he is with the Mets, I guess  
I have to clarify that "good" means gets the job done...I don't mean MVP,  
Hall of Fame, or anything else. He was cut by Torborg but turned out to be  
a decent pick up for the Mets.  I believe that he'll do a decent job in  
place of Coleman (Guess it can't get any worse, eh?)

Sorry for the verbosity of this posting...but I don't think this is worth  
a flame war.

hmm...e-mail....next time...

Mets in '92 
Mario
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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Jays fans, start celebrating
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.195937.15555@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.190759.1643@oz.plymouth.edu> m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:
>>The Sporting News picked the Blue Jays and Reds to reach the World
>>Series.  See you in October Reds fans.  
>
>Oh, the SPORTING NEWS said the Blue Jays will reach the World Series.
>Heck, why even bother playing the regular season, then.  The folks at
>SN are pretty infallible.

Oh yeah, and the baseball writers did too.  Actually, I don't see
anyone in the AL East staying even close to Toronto this year.  I
sence a double digit win... say 11 games over the Sox and 14 over the Tigers.
>
>Or, baseball could do it the way hockey does, and let any team that
>wins a third of its games into the playoffs.  Heck, then Cleveland
>might even make it.

Actually, what I'd like to see is the Divisional champs and the next
two with the best records in each league.
>-- 
>Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
>1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
>U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
>Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes


-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   1-0   at Tigers Monday (4-2), Wednesday and Thursday
 End the strike.  Get back on the ice.  Get the playoffs going.
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:26:51 GMT
Subject: Re: More on errors/hits
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

> Can you tell if the infield position played makes a difference?  I think
> most of us would suspect that the grounball hits that are going for extra
> bases are almost all going down the line, by the first and third baseman, and
> not in the middle by the shortstop and second baseman.

I'm not sure I believe that.  Sure, balls a first or third baseman didn't
even touch are probably more likely to be extra bases, but errors are often
awarded when there has been some contact and a bobble, keeping the ball in the
infield.  In any case, it seems to me the kinds of errors most likely to
result in extra bases are on the throw, not the batted ball.  That is, either
a wild throw (probably equally likely at third or short, less so at second)
or a blown catch of the throw by the first baseman.  I'll further wager that
"most" of a first baseman's errors are of this variety (blown catch of a throw,
not necessarily resulting in extra bases).

Thus, proportionally, I'll suspect first baseman to have a higher percentage
of errors result in extra bases - say, 19%; third and short about equal at 16%,
and second baseman 13%.

Had I not known these number should average (weighted) to 15.5%, I would have
guessed more like 25%.

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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ( )
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:55:01 GMT

In <Apr.12.00.07.40.1992.14510@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:

>91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ( ) writes:
>{i'll let other people point out why alfredo griffin is so bad}

>>>Or do you just read what the sportswriters, who are basically paid to be
>>>boosters, write in the Toronto papers?  

>>Yes I read the Toronto papers.  Toronto, with 3 major dailies, is the most
>>competitive newspaper market in North America.  Writers for the Globe and
>>Mail cannot be accused of "boosting" anybody.  It's usually the opposite.
>>The same reporters that "boosted" Griffin, also shit on Fernandez.

>umm - that's blatantly wrong.  first off, in the new york area
> are - 1) the new york time.  the most widely read paper in the u.s.,
> if not the world.
> 2) the new york daily news
> 3) the new york post 
> 4) long island newsday, published daily in new york city.
> 5) the bergen county daily record, with (i believe) a sunday
> circulation in excess of 500,000.

>not saying it's good or bad, but what you're saying there is wrong.

Toronto's population is 2 million.  What's New York's? 10?
The NY times is also available in TO.  Toronto puts out more
newspapers per capita than any city in North America...in other words
Toronto has the most competitive newspaper market in North America...

>- bob gaj
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91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca             
Sudbury Ont.                                
Canada
From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles 4 20 game winners
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:36:53 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <300@sbmsg1.UUCP>, acw@sbmsg1.UUCP (Alvin White) says:
>
>I believe that # 4 was Steve Stone.

  Sorry, not even close.  Steve Stone was an Oriole from the LATE 70'S to the
early 80's.  1971 was when the Orioles had 4 20-game winners, and they
were Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, and Pat Dobson!   The year
before, all but Dobson (who wasn't an Oriole then) won twenty games also.
From: russ@prism.gatech.EDU (Russell Shackelford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Robinson and Boyer
Summary: huh?
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:35:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.54000
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


sorry, folks, but I came in late on this one.... WHAT does this have
to do with Robinson and Boyer? ....

I'm sure that some point was made about them way-back-when before
people started fussing at one another.... what was it?

russ

-- 
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The College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, 30332
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From: edd@gvlf2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DeJesus for Young (was My picks)
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:26:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvl.1992Apr6.132659.3686
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <1992Apr6.201555.2468@otago.ac.nz> guilford@otago.ac.nz writes:
>In article <MdruDI_00VpI4BHFAj@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>
>> Today's Pitt Press baseball preview picked the Phils and predicted Jose
>> Dejesus for Cy young.  The Phillies are trying to go with some youth,
>
>Does this mean Jose DeJesus will win the Cy Young award, or be traded
>for the remains of Cy Young?  When you have two interpretations with
>equal probability, be more explicit, eh?
>
>Bill Guilford

I'm a die hard Phillies fan but I think Jose is more likely to
kill a fan in the stands than win the Cy Young. :)

Now I can see Tommy Greene winning the Cy Young some day.

ed doc
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From: "Stephen C. Miller" <stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Expos 4, Mets 0
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:38:48 -0500

>
>    6 2/3 innings-2 earned runs-3 hits. I can live with that considering
>it was his first game back. Why don't we give him a few weeks before we
>start burying one of the best pitchers ever. I don't think this outing
>is going to have many opposing teams salivating at the thought of facing
>Mr. Dwight Gooden.
>    
>
Damn straight.  That's an era under 3.  First game back?  And after we
hear that most players take a whole season to recover from this surgury?

Gooden - still near to God.

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		(Former rock star turned grad student)
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From: sbarker@oscar.UUCP (Stephen Barker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Benito Santiago
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:06:28 GMT
Distribution: na

After watching the Pads take 3 of 4 from the Dodgers this weekend, I 
realized that while the club has improved overall, Benito is still
pathetic.  After one week he is a stellar 1 for 21 at the plate and
has made three ugly throwing errors.  Why does he insist from throwing
from his knees when 1/2 his throws end up skipping 10 feet in front of
second base.  Only the soft hands of Tony Fernandez have saved Benny
from even more errors.  

Watching him at the plate is enough to make any fan sick.  Sunday after
Ramon Martinez had walked two consecutive batters while only throwing one
strike, Benny steps in and skies the first pitch to shallow right field.
The guy is so scared to K that he swings at the first pitch about 75%
of the time.  The only time he doesn't swing at the first pitch is if it
is about 2 feet out of the strike zone.  To make matters worse, he tries
to pull every pitch.  It gets to be quite humorous to watch him try and
pull curveballs that are low and outside.  Any pitcher that throws him
a fastball inside should be shot.  Benito stands so far away from the 
plate that he can't touch an outside pitch. 

The guy is also a real team player.  When the Pads acquired Sheffield,
it was rumored that Sheffield was going to hit in the five slot behind
McGriff.  Benito's response was that this was unfair because he would
be losing all his RBI's.  REAL GOOD ATTITUDE!!!!   

I for one am sick of watching his sorry ass 81 times a year.  Please,
Please, Please, will either Atlanta or Toronto trade for the clown.  At
this point I would take a couple of prospects for him in a minute.

Thanks for letting me get this off my chest....

sbarker@hns.com
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From: dmeier@bashful.helios.nd.edu (daniel meier)
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:58:19 GMT

As far as I am concerned, Nolan Ryan is the far better player.  He has alos been a lot more
valuable as a ball player than Rickey Henderson.  Throughout his career, Nolan has been
more responsible for his team's victories than Rickey.  Ans, in baseball since winning is
all that counts, Nolan is the better player because he has won more games than Rickey.
	Nolan wins them as a pitcher, and Rickey on offense, but Rickey hasn't won anywhere
close to 300 games due to his offense.
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mike Gallego(WasRe: Injuries
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:29:00 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>In <1992Apr8.065535.6517@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond) writes:

>Yes, Mike Gallego was placed on the 15-day DL yesterday. I cam out of
>my auction thrilled to have Franco and Gallego....now my middle IF
>is shot to hell!
>(cry!)

as my yankee fan friend (say THAT 10 times fast ) and i had a discussion
 yesterday.  i'm ME, and he's FAN.

ME: mike gallego got put on the 15 day d.l.
FAN: good! that gives randy velarde a chance to play.
ME: yeah, velarde's a couple years younger, and i've never liked gallego.
 by the way, a couple callers to (allsports radio) WFAN wanted to bat
 him leadoff!!
FAN: yeah, buck was doing that in spring training.  he's an idiot!  
 gallego shouldn't be IN the lineup, much less batting first.  bernie williams
 should be up there as soon as they get rid of barfield.

of course, he made perfect sence, but WHAT ON EARTH could possess showalter to bat gallego, 
 a career 314 on base average man, leadoff?  not only is he 32, past
 his prime, but last year was the best year of his life!  i'd rather almost
 anyone bat leadoff instead of him.  

and if you're one of tse who feels saberhagen will have a bad year because
 of the odd/even things, check out gallego's OBA in even years.  below 300
 every time.  yikes.
 - bob gaj
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 15:08:26 EDT
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Oops! Re: Falcons ready for Deion leaving

    As was pointed out to me, the Falcons took cornerback Bruce Pickens
    of Nebraska in last years draft, not Carl Pickens of Tennessee.
    Got my Pickens' wrong.
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                                       1991 National League Champions!!
  We are Penn State

 "I'm not like this because I'm in college, I'm in college because I'm
  like this"
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From: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock)
Subject: Re: baseball quiz #1
Reply-To: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:22:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.161244.15782@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu  
(Douglas Fowler) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, sw36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Michael White) says:
> 
> >BASEBALL QUIZ #1
> >
> >1.    WHO IS THE ONLY PLAYER TO HAVE PLAYED 500 GAMES FOR A TEAM IN EACH
> >DIVISION?
>      This is a stumper.  Dave Parker has played in all 4, but not long enough
> in the A.L. East - 500 games is 3+ seasons.  Joe Morgan played in all 4, but
> only a year in Oakland. (Or was it Tony Perez who was in the A.L. East?)  The
> question says "played in," so that rules out a pitcher.  I don't think Bill
> Madlock was with the Tigers long enough for 500 games....
>      Okay, the only name I can possibly think of is Bill Buckner, but I don't
> really think he played that long in K.C.  Still, I've got to guess someone,
> so I'll guess Billy Buck.
Perhaps Rusty Staub.
--
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I steal all my opinions, so technically they're not mine.
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Phillys injuries
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.154521.3857@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

Funny; I always thought winning games won championships.  Didn't know that
they awarded the championship to the team that gave up the fewest runs.  

> Pitching is part of defense.
>I'll take a team with great defense over a team with great offense any day.
>So no, offense isn't 1/2 the game. More like 1/3.

Nice assertion.  Any reason I should believe it? 

We already know that there's no difference in variances in runs scored and
runs allowed.  If defense is twice as important as offense, I'd sure expect
to see higher variances in runs allowed than in runs scored.

I also would expect that the Pythagorean formula would do a lousy job of
predicting winning percentage, since it weights runs scored and runs
allowed equally.  

Other suggestions for places to look for support for your notion:  does the team
that leads the division in fewest runs allowed win more often the than the
team that leads the division in runs scored?  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Amazing METS Update
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:12:13 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Apr10.050954.1@wharton.upenn.edu> chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>Donovan "I wanna go back to AA" Osbourne and Juan Agoing-Agoing-Agone Agosto
>allowed the METS to round the bases faster than the town whore.

Osvornew pitched 2 scoreless innings, 2 hits(one a bunt) and left with a
sprained ankle. Agosto is the clown who got lit up, Osborne did just fine.

>unless you're counting wins.  Sadly, the Cardinals, who have such a weakling
>lineup that they must manufacture runs themselves, could take a few tips
>from the MIGHTY METS.

Then the Mets pitching must really suck since we score 24 runs against them in
2 games! Against Sabes and El Sid who are supposed to be the major improvements
in the Mets pitching.
>By the way, who the h*ll are the Cardinals kidding with this rotation?
>Deleon is good, but Bryn Smith is a softie (and as deceptive as a pitching
>machine).  Osbourne was a joke today, and despite his being drafted in the
>first round, I was not impressed with him in AAA, and he is obviously

Deleon is good? Hell the guy has great stuff but he can't win never has and
apparently never will. How could Osborne have been unimpressive to you in
AAA when he has never pitched above AA until this year's start against the 
Mets? Are you psychic, and you know he won't impress in AAA? I know our 
pitching isn't that great but at least know what the hell you're talking 
about.



Russ Smith
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Subject: info on players
From: e2s@icf.hrb.com (Eric M. Sebastian)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:34:46 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

o.k. baseball fans, its the beginning of a whole new year and I need some 
help in my fantasy league.  Any information on the following players would
be very appreciated (who's he competing against for playing time, is he
starting this year, health ?? ...).


    Luis Rivera          SS        Boston Redsox
    Marke Lemke          2b        Atlanta Braves
    Jim Eisenreich       Of        KC Royals
    Dave Righetti        Rp        SD Padres (??)
    Kent Hrbek           1b        Minnesota Twins (how long on DL??)


thanks 
eric sebastian (e2s@hrb.icf.com)