HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:34:32 GMT

In article <199208281821.AA05203@cnam.cnam.fr> eronald@CNAM.CNAM.FR (Edmund Ronald) writes:

[ Re posting of prices...]

Whatever it takes to put those prices back in should be done. This is 
virtually the only platform to do this. We look like fools, apart from the
fact that the announcements come off looking as  though they have been 
through some kind of censorship. So I would certainly back your request for
a vote on this. If the moderator won't go along with it, perhaps there could
be a vote on him and/or the group being moderated. The whole thing is 
ridiculous.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Re: Which DAT Format to Adopt
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.125718.1@capd.jhuapl.edu> waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu  
writes:
=>In article <1992Aug28.143605.20308@menudo.uh.edu>, sears@tree.egr.uh.edu 
=>(Paul S. Sears) writes:
=>	[...stuff deleted...]
=>	A recent issue of NeXTWORLD covered backups...devices and software.
=>	The (soon-to-be) product they liked the best was (this is from 
=>	memory and may all be wrong) SafetyNet from Systemix? which, I think,
=>	is Brian Cuthie's company (he has posted here in the past).  It seemed
=>	to have good network backup features and good archive features as  
well.

I saw the article and it was pretty informative.  I like the prospect of  
SafetyNet Pro, but it hasn't been released yet.  Hopefully a demo will be put  
on the archives...

One of my complaints about the article is that it didn't say if the "enhanced  
version of tar" used by SafetyNet is gnutar or if it is compatible with older  
tar formats.  This is important because we backup other platforms and must  
retain compatibility....

=>
=>Opinions expressed are my own.
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From: aitken@cs.cornell.edu (William E. Aitken)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:10:18 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


	I ordered a CD-ROM/3.0 upgrade in May, and finally took 
delivery of the drive today (the delay was mostly my fault).    
I want to know what *exactly* (besides the drive) should have been in the 
package.  I *know* that 3.0 wasn't supposed to be. 
My package included 

	1) The drive itself
	2) The power cable
	3) a software licence 
	4) a CD-ROM caddy.

Given that the drive has a sticker on it saying to read the user manual
before use, I'd expected to find one.  Should one have been present?
Is anything else missing?

	I called NeXT customer support to ask what should be in
the box (I did *not* give a list of what *was* in the box) and, after a wait,
was told ``everything''.    Gee, thanks, I'd thought it was 
NeXT company policy to leave things out (``Oh, let's see, it's 
a Tuesday, so we shouldn't put the power cord in.'') :-)

						--- Bill.
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce (LONG: FROM MODMAN)
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:46:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.222053.25451@liveware.com> modman@liveware.com  
writes:
> Dear Netheads,
> 
> [ lots of stuff deleted]
>
> An archive server is NOT the solution for everyone, unless
> it is set up for email response, and there  would be a
> added time for to put the added time into maintaining such an archive.
> I could do this, and will consider the ramifications for such a  
server...
> I like the idea but it costs money to do create, maintain and moderate
> such a server.
> 

Well if this is based on what I was suggesting, the concept has mutated a  
bit. What I had in mind were e-mail response servers maintained by the  
vendors themselves, analogous to automatic info servers. There was an  
excellent article in NeXTwatch a few months back which shows how to set up  
automatic e-mail servers. In a post to c.s.n.a the vendor could put "For  
current pricing, send e-mail to prices@niftysoft.com and you will receive  
an automatic reply containing a price and policies sheet".

I think an archive server would be tedious, and I don't think it's the  
moderator's job to maintain such things anyway. 

> 
> [a lot more stuff deleted]
> 
> I am sure most have noticed the 'magnitude' technique.  I chose to do  
this
> so maybe some people could use this to gauge their feelings about
> whether to investigate the price at all.  Some would say that
> $yyyy.xx is way out of range as apposed to $yy.xx or even $yyy.xx.
> I made an assumption here, but that is the way I am doing it.
> I appologise to those who are insulted by this decision, but
> it was something I considered and thought would actually benefit
> you without risking the reprecussions of actual numerical postings.
> There you have my reasoning, flawed in the eyes of some.
> 

Isn't this like being a "little pregnant"?  :-)

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From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed)
Subject: Summary - pcomm can't access /dev/cua
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Keywords: pcomm summary
Organization: SPS
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:44:59 GMT

Thanks to those that answered my question. The way I got it to work  
is:

chown of pcomm to uucp
chmod of pcomm to u+s

I also chown of pcomm.dial_dir and pcomm.param to uucp so the dialing  
directory and setup parameters could be saved. After this, it works  
fine.

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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:47:23 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Aug29.011929.11683@nic.umass.edu> a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd) writes:

> If anything the pricing information makes them less hype and more informative.

Please allow prices Todd, a one or two lines at the bottom would make the
announcements MUCH more useful.  The moderator could use his judgement
to prevent announcements where little new info is added, just as he should
do when prices are not involved.  Even _permanent_ price changes, like
one company's recent cutting of their price for objects to a fraction
of their previous cost is a worthy announcement.  It says alot of the state
of that market and the economic viability of reuse.  Disallow notices of
temporary sales if you wish.

Prices are not evil.  Commerce is not evil.  Prices would convey
a hell of a lot more information than most of the blather that
goes on in this group.  We sure discuss the price of NS486 to death,
but that is somehow different?

We are big boys and girls and should be trusted to see the information.
Call for a vote Todd or create a real questionaire.
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From: cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu (Christian De Lay)
Subject: Mail.app
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:31:56 GMT

Can anyone tell me if there's a way to keep the console mail program from  
grabbing mail into the user's local directory from /usr/spool/mail?  It's  
getting annoying when users log in on console but then can't read mail from  
remote since the mail file has been moved.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: macg@trlabs.CA (Mike MacGregor)
Subject: Experiences with cubX ?
Organization: TRLabs, Edmonton
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:14:28 GMT


Hi,

I'd like to get X running on my Turbo (so that rules out McGill X).
I've tried the coXist demoe, and I'd like to try out at least one
competing package.  My impression from articles in c.s.n is that cubX
is something I should look at.  I'd be interested in hearing (via e-mail)
about experiences with it, or suggestions for alternatives.

As usual, a summary will follow.

Thanks,
Mike MacGregor

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: More Advice Regarding BFJ
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:48:54 GMT



I believe I have some more worthwhile information to offer on BFJ and
how people who have merchandise on order from them (quite possibly a 
*prepaid* for Supra modem, such as I have) should proceed. 

First, I still can offer no "proof" one way or another that BFJ has 
closed its doors permanently, but in response to my repeated inquiries I
have received additional corroboration that the store is currently shut
with a "Remodeling, open in two weeks" sign on the door, even though they've
been closed for well over two weeks and (I'm told) no visible remodeling is
occurring.  From the E-mail I've received (some forwarded through a third
person from a former BFJ employee) it seems *likely* (again, I have no
direct proof) that BFJ will not reopen, except possibly to liquidate
inventory.  

The *good* news is that I've spoken at length to the Atlanta area Better 
Business Bureau and they were quite responsive.  According to the fellow
I spoke to, if you have paid for merchandise undelivered from BFJ they will
make every effort to see to it that BFJ honors its commitments.  To get this 
to happen you must file a complaint against BFJ.  To do this, call the 
Atlanta area BBB, 

BBB phone # is 404 688 4910

and wend your way through the #$^@*&%^# automated phone menu thingy (who the
hell invented those things) by selecting the option "file a complaint on a 
local company" (i.e. hit #3) and talking to the people there. I was warned
that if the owner chooses to just "close his doors and walk away" there was
little the BBB could do --- BFJ is a BBB member, and apparently the owner
will have trouble reopening or liquidating if they are processing our
claims --- but, *if* you prepaid with a credit card there is usually a
"good faith" clause in your card agreement.  If you make a "good faith"
effort to recover your $ or your merchandise from the vendor, and you
fail, then the card company will usually cover your payment.  Obviously, 
filing a compaint of this sort goes a long way towards satisfying the 
good faith requirement.  

Thus, I *strongly* urge any of you in the situation I'm in to contact
the Atlanta BBB and file a complaint against BFJ.  (It may even be that the
force of our numbers will garner our case additional attention).

Hope this is helpful ---- Tom

 
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Mail sounds?
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:19:44 GMT

I don't know if this has been said before, but elsewhere I have read that  
3.0's Mail.app has an option to select a sound to play when new mail  
arrives.
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From: karuzis@wccf.mit.edu (GLENN HOLM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Postscript for Agfa Film Recorder
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:54:00 GMT
Organization: MIT - Whitaker College
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

i tried asking in comp.graphics, but thought i'd try here..
i want to print images done on a NeXT with Illustrator, Create, 
etc. on an Agfa Color Pro slide maker.  Only problem is the film
recorder is tied to a Mac and runs the Agfa Conductor software.
It accepts PICT or TIFF files (24-bit, no compression), but the 
TIFFs i make on the NeXT all come out jagged.  Michael Johnson
suggested i make really big images and scale them down, but 
there's a limit to what i can fit onto a 1.4 Meg floppy, and they
take a long time to transfer over (neither machine is networked).

what i'd LIKE to do is save in EPS  or PS format and get the 
recorder to print them. smaller files, smoother lines.  but the
Agfa people won't even talk on the phone (Boo! to their customer
service).  

question- is there any other software (for Macintosh) that will
drive the recorder and accept PostScript?  (or a way to convert
into its native SCODL language and feed that directly into the
box?) 

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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re:   stripping (was Ramdisk coming for NeXT)
Distribution: world
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:04:35 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <15175@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes:
>In article <dillon.0mci@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>>    Sounds like one huge bandaid to me.... compressed????  Are they out of
>>    their mind?  It's *already* too slow!
>
>Compare the speed of the '040 in compressing to the speed of a typical hard
>disk.

    We need that processor to run applications, when the processor is
    spending it's time compressing data it is most definitely NOT running
    those applications!

    The speed of the hard disk does not effect processor utilization, you
    simply setup the SCSI DMA transfer and go back to running other
    processes.

    So we are going from maybe 5% processor overhead to 30% procesor
    overhead per page (total guesses on my part).

    That is NOT acceptable!  NeXT should *FIX* the stupid paging problem,
    not add a cold compress (:-)) to an open sore!

>>					-Matt
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From: Alex Raftis
Subject: A NeXTstation Color in a Tower Case
Reply-To: alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:37:38 GMT


Having had my NSC for about a year now, I've begun to collect various
external devices with more planned for the future. I'm quickly becomming
tired of extra power supplies and boxes, so I was wondering about the
possibility of buying a tower case with a heavy duty power supply and 
mounting my mother board and external devices in this. With a little 
black spray paint and a NeXTsticker here and there it seems like it could 
work out nicely.

What I'd like to know is if anyone has tried this. If you have, has any-
thing in particular worked out in way of manufactuer/model? Or, is this
just a pipe dream?

Alex
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From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Fortune
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:43:06 GMT
Organization: NASA


  This is probably the wrong group for this question, but does anyone have a  
source or executable version of Fortune?  You know... the little program with a  
big database of fortunes that can be called from .cshrc to give you a quotation  
every time you open a terminal window.  If you have it, could you NeXTmail it  
to me?

Thanks in advance...

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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Stripping apps (was Re: Missile Command and Other Submissions)
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:53:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Aug25.030555.6954@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
incubus@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) writes:
> 
> 	For all those interested, here is a list of some app sizes before
> and after stripping.

As others have said, you can't strip all these
applications.  I encourage submitters to strip binaries
(look at README in the submissions directory for other
suggestions) or to document that the file should not be
stripped.  I made the mistake of stripping MediaView and
learned that lesson quickly. :-) 

I recompile all submitted sources and check them against
the submitted binary.  If it's not stripped and not
documented otherwise, I usually contact the
author/submitter for more information.

Binaries get a little less attention.  Demos get nearly
none (as you're expected to contact the vendor anyway)
unless there's a big problem.  That's why demos usually
get filed rather quickly.

If you've found a binary on sonata/nova that you think
ought to be stripped, try contacting the author or
submitter first.  If that doesn't work, hit
archive-management@cc.purdue.edu.

Also remember that unstripped binaries often compress
to nearly the same size as their stripped counterparts,
so it might not be as bad as you think (for us- installation
is different, of course). 

Allen B (Keepin' busy)
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From: haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Release 3.0 is shipping, as of Aug 24th. (?)
Keywords: NS3.0, NeXTSTEP
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:39:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill) writes:

>Since no-one on Usenet seemed all that sure, I thought I'd call NeXT and
>ask when we might expect 3.0 to appear. I was told that it started 'shipping'
>on Monday, August 28th, and to expect my copy within a couple of weeks.

>This could just be bullshit to appease customers, but it's what they say.

I just ordered a NeXT turbo and was told that 3.0 WILL be on my machine when
I pick it up in one to two weeks. I also received a note from the campus
(uw-madison) computer outlet that updates to 3.0 will be available within
two weeks. (I seem to recall that it would be free for turbo owners and
would be available non-turbo owners for around $100US for a site license.
There was an offer for the CD-ROM disks, and a CD-ROM driver for under
the price of the driver alone. This offer was good until the end of
september.)

The statement that I will be getting 3.0 installed on my machine is written
on my order form. The rest is from a email message forwarded to me by the
computer outlet, and hence, not guaranteed.

Kirk Haller
haller@math.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: joe@schemer.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Joseph Jupin)
Subject:  Information on SNUG 
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:28:01 GMT

Could someone send me information on how to get in contact with the So. California Next
User's Group.  I would like to join and get their newsletters, attend their meetings, etc.
Please send any response to me at any of the following email addresses:

jupin@nextjupebox.jpl.nasa.gov (NeXT machine - NeXT Mail OKay!)
jupin@cs.ucla.edu (UCLA account)
joe@schemer.jpl.nasa.gov (Sun machine)
joe_jupin@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (QuickMail on the Mac)

Thanx for your time and effort!

JOe...
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:53:56 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com

Jim Becker writes
> 
> walking by Computer Attic on University in Palo Alto last week gave me
> a gut feeling about the future of the black box.

Computer Attic is a bad metric.  They never had their heart in the
NeXT to begin with; I don't even know why they bother to fly the banners.
They aren't interested in selling the computers, and will tell you
that if you try to buy from them.  They wouldn't even stock our software
on consignment, where they had no risk if they didn't sell any.  Too
much hassle for them or something....

A better place to go, for totally the opposite experience, is MacAdam
computers in San Francisco.  They're rabid NeXT enthusiasts, although
they sell Macs, too (obviously, given their names).  They have put
together some very aggressive pricing and promotions for NeXT computers,
and they're moving a LOT of them, by most reports.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dnp@phragmen.mit.edu (Dan Port)
Subject: Public domain release of Pixelsaver3.0
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 03:58:44 GMT

We have been pondering the fate of Pixelsaver3.0 which is a Backspace
compatible screensaver, lockscreen, backgrounder and system customization
untility which drops into the Preferences application and has the
ability to do animiation in the login window. We have made many additions
and changes including a mouse "sleep now" corner and a general interface
for making nifty changes to the OS (sort of like CDEV's on the Mac).
Quite frankly we're tired of working on it and see very little incentive
as Backspace is avalible free and there are numerous competing products.
	Pixelsaver3.0 is not yet entirely 3.0 compatible yet and we would
like to know if net users would like us to release Pixelsaver3.0 as
public domain (= FREE to all). Would you be willing to write a 
Pixelsaver module? Would you be willing to update Pixelsaver to 3.0?
Please respond via e-mail to "dnp@math.mit.edu" and if there is
enough interest we will place sources on the NeXT archive sites.
Our hope is that you will all help to make Pixelsaver the one FREE
untility that all NeXT owners will want.

Thank you for your time,
	
Pixelated Technologies