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From: parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Subject: Re: Gambrinus, You Pe--s I Love You After All
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:31:58 GMT

bryanh@dseg.ti.com (Bryan Hazel) writes:

>I have recently stumbled upon YET ANOTHER beer I thought was pretty decent. As the
>subject line suggests, it is Gambrinus from Czechoslovakia. (Man, no wonder people
>been fightin' over that country for so long.) Since I'm more of a beer sewer than
>a connoisseur, I'd be interested in comments from some of the more discerning
>palates out there in the beer net.

	I thought it was a pretty nice northern European pilsner style beer.
I think there are better ones, but I also think the bottle I had wasn't
particularly fresh.  I'll have to try it again.

	Prost!
		-m.

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From: donr@enforcer.vlsiphx (Don Robinson)
Subject: Re: Mass market beers: any (really) good on
Reply-To: donr@enforcer.vlsiphx
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:31:03 GMT

In article 22908@telematics.com, ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt) writes:
->In article <BtAAG1.CDp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
->>Sam Adam's is approaching mass-market level and is darn tasty.
->>
->
[...]
->
->Is Sam Adam's available nationwide?  I had been led to believe that 
->it was only found on the east coast, maybe this has changed.

We have had Sam Adams here in the Phoenix area for over a year.  Sure glad
I latched onto that one!  :^)

->
->To make this article worthy of a Distribution: world (:-)), what is
->the availability of the better US brews elsewhere in the world?  By
->better, I mean Sam Adam's products, Anchor products, Sierra Nevada
->products, or anything from "real" micros.  _Nothing_ from A-B,

All of the above available here.

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From: Knights@who.say.ne.ne (Capt'n America that's who)
Subject: ***********just testing**********
Organization: Monty Python Players
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:44:04 GMT

sorry just testing...
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:34:28 GMT
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)


hi,
    i'll be in CA soon and want to know 
which beers i should test and which i 
should avoid to drink. i prefer bitter
pils (no 'sweet' ones) like jever. thanx
for any recommendations/warnings.

- tB!
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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Pete's
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:55:48 GMT

In article 29158@mmm.serc.3m.com, us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>Pete's Wicked Ale is contract brewed at the August Schell brewery in New Ulm,
>Minnesota.  Try some of August Schell's premium beers if you can find
>them - they are quite good.
Pete's Wicked Ale is good brew, I can even "start" drinking with one without
any taste bud shock.  (like I get with Dragon stout or other 10w30 brews...).
however, after a coupla any brews, I can't really taste the Wicked Ale.  Very
Smooth stuff.  As far as "August Schell" goes:  does the 6-pack container
have a picture of a ram's head or something?  I had something that I believe
was called "Schell's Bock" and it tasted a bit like I would imagine the taste
of walking out in my front yard and biting a tree....  woody, ya know?  echh.

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From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:12:54 GMT

In article J11@wrs.com, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>If you're going to be in the Bay Area, try Gordon Biersch.  The one in
>Palo Alto is best; they are also located in San Francisco and San Jose.

Some people have been cutting down the "atmosphere" at Gordon's, but 
it depends what you want to get out of the place.  The one in Palo Alto 
is genearrly packed with the Stanfordites, so if you like the college scene,
its good.  The one in San Jose is Yuppie Heaven, but if you hit it on a 
Fri/Sat night, there's generally some good "action" available.  I'm in
it for the brew, so if you want the ultimate experience, go to Gordon's 
and get a BOOT of Meirzen.  Awesome.  (Palo Alto has the BOOT, not SanJose).
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From: matthew@wavefront.wti.com (Matthew Coohill)
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Canadian pisswater (was: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:18:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
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	Hello... there is an argument occuring (not a big one though) on
  rec.sport.hockey.  It's about beer... Samuel Adams to be precise.  I
  am wondering who is correct.  Was Samuel Adams originally produced in
  Pittsburgh?  Boston?  Where is it brewed now?  Pittsburgh?  Boston?
  We all know that the WHINER says that he can only produce as much beer
  in a year as the BIG guys produce in 3 days (because of capital... NOT
  because he gives a damn about quality!  Yeah, right.  You're not going
  to expand with your current influx of GREEN...)

	Anyway... here's a clipping from rec.sport.hockey...


> In article <4881@balrog.ctron.com>, mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>> (Stefano Casertano) writes:
>>> (Andrew W Korbut) writes:
>>>> Hey, Matt, I have to commend you for being a B's fan who isn't looking
>>>> at the hockey world through Black-N-Gold glasses. Many amusing, and more
>>>> importantly, accurate comments (or is that vice versa?).  I salute you,
>>>> raising a Sam Adams lager in tribute...

>>>Isn't that the famous Boston beer that's really made in Pittsburgh by the
>>>Pittsburgh Brewing Company or some such?
>>>Just a question... think about the hockey implications...

>> You must be thinking of Iron City, which is actually made in Cleveland from
>> Flaming Cuyahoga River runoff, and aged in EPA hazardous waste drums at
>> Three> Mile Island.  Gives you that Pittsburgh glow. Available as a dark
>> beer also (extra micro-metal shavings).

> No - he's thinking of Sam Adams - it was brewed in Pitt. when it was
> first released and for some number of years after. It is now brewed
> in Boston. I have no idea if they brew from a single brewery or
> not but I do know they openned their brewery in Boston a while back.

	Who knows???

	On a lighter note... I will be travelling to Pittsburgh in a week
  and I am interested in knowing any information regarding local brewerys
  and bar that "brew their own".  Any suggestions on places to go and see
  while I'm in town would be appreciated.

	Thanks...

	Matt Coohill

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From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: More Admin stuff.
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:07:30 GMT
Organization: Morgue Brewing Company, Cleveland Oh.
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Alt.beer was created for the purpose of discusing the various aspects of 
that fine malted beverage generally refered to as beer. Welcome here are 
discussions of rare and interesting beers, reviews of brewpubs and 
breweries, suggestions about where to shop for beer, tips for making 
your own, and such...

Flames, senseless arguing, and encouragement of alcohol abuse will not be 
tolerated on alt.beer!! Please keep noise to a minimum. 86 QRM. Please
to get into flame wars about liking different kinds of beer. If you don't
like a certain kind of beer, you are welcome to say so, but berating others
for liking something that you don't is NOT APPRECIATED!!! 

The alt.beer "archives" are available for anonymous ftp on ftp.cwru.edu,
in the ~/pub/alt.beer directory. If you have any contributions, please
email them to me (brown@ins.cwru.edu) and I will see about getting them 
put into the archive.

Couple pointers to other net.news.groups... rec.food.drink exists for
discussions of all beverages, such as wines and liquors. Homebrewing is
discussed on rec.crafts.brewing, and in the Homebrew Digest, which is
posted to rec.crafts.brewing. "Partying" is discussed in alt.party. Flame
wars are held in alt.flame. You will find a lot more acceptance of and
information about these topics in these groups.


Good evening, and Cheers!

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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:22:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.182057.7721@leland.Stanford.EDU>
jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James "Chokin' the Chicken" Chokey) writes:


>
>	Hmm.  Personally, GB isn't one of my favorites.  The beer is decent
>enough but the atmosphere in the brewpub (at least the one here in Palo Alto)
>is so annoying.
>
>	My main reccomendation for beer in the Bay Area is the Triple Rock
>Brewery in Berkeley.  Truly great stuff.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on GB, drinkable beer but poor
atmosphere.  But I gotta come down like a ton 'o bricks on Triple
Rock-- I hate that place!  You'd be hard-pressed to find more
unremarkable beer in any brewpub in this country.  Not really bad
beer, but I can't say it has a single thing going for it.  Any one of
the Tied Houses' brews would kick the shit out of anything at Triple
Rock.  Not to mention the fact that the place is THE frat-boy-bastard
hangout of UC Berkeley, full of unsavoury characters...

[stuff excised]
>	BEERS TO AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE:
>
>	Anything by the Monterrey brewing company. (Killer Whale Stout, Blue
>Ale, etc.).  The first time I tasted a beer of theirs, I thought it had gone
>bad, so I dumped it out.  I tried another bottle-- and had the same reaction.
>I tasted it fresh at a small brewer's festival--  it wasn't quite as disgusting
>but it was still terrible.  BLECH!
>
>	Dead Cat Ale:  The name is pretty accurate.  It's usually flat,
>too watery and generally gross.  The best description of it I ever heard
>was somebody who simply said, "It tastes like the sea."
>

You sure hit both of these right, though.  DOUBLE BLECH!

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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:49:11 EDT

In <1992Aug28.102641.1272@guvax.georgetown.edu> jsikking@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:

>		The strength of US beer is 3.2%, all beer imported and 
>brewed in the US must be 3.2%.  If it is not 3.2% it is considered 
>something else (e.i. Malt liquor 5.2%, etc.).  The reason for this is 
>that at the end of Prohibition the Constitutional Admendment that 
>repealed it stated that beer of 3.2% could be brewed in the boarders 
>of the US.  We can all thank FDR for this and many other bills he 
>passed.  Before I get conterdicted you can have beer that is less then 
>3.2%, but the most powerful beer can only be 3.2%.  If you have a beer 
>that is stronger then 3.2%, such as Uerbock (sp) 23, it may only be 
>served by a placed licened to serve hard alcohol.

>-John

Boy are you out in left field! Maybe this is true in your neck of the
woods but certainly NOT in most parts of the USA! This rule of thumb
is applicable to beers in many states, but the alcohol level at which
"beer" must be called "malt liquor" is about 6%/vol, not 3.2%.
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From: spray@convex.com (Rob Spray)
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet: Heineken, ...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:11:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Sep3.143548.4056@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,) writes:

>In article 715525452@marie, rickman@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Rickmer Kose) writes:
>>frank     : fuck Heineken! Pebbs Blue Ribbon!
>>
>and-Blue.   I hope that this line in the movie was merely sarcasm...

The actual line is, I think:

"Heineken?  Fuck that shit!  Pabst! Pabst Blue Ribbon!"

The character Frank Booth (played by Dennis Hopper) is a criminal
who's idea of a good time is to drink bourbon, and then rape a 
woman who he fantasizes is his mother while he is inhaling nitrous oxide.

Hardly a typical beer connoisseur, I would hope!

But one of the best bad guy portrayals ever to grace the silver screen.

Last time I watched the movie, I got some PBR just for the event!

--Rob
--spray@convex.com

"Where's the fucking beer, Raymond?"
			      Frank Booth.
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Boston brewpubs?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 20:11:27 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: usa
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In article <1802@ceylon.gte.com> rv01@harvey.gte.com (Robert Virzi) writes:
>In article <3514@ra.nrl.navy.mil> pehren@orion.nrl.navy.mil (Paul Ehrenfreucter) writes:
>Boston Beer Works.  The newest place in town, but with outstanding beer.
>Really excellent (except for the Barleywine)

   Really?  I thought the barleywine was excellent, if not exactly
a classic example of the style.  Quite hoppy.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:20:57 GMT

In article <Btuu2B.J11@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>In article 20049@fokus.gmd.de, mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:
>>    i'll be in CA soon and want to know 
>>which beers i should test and which i 
>>should avoid to drink. i prefer bitter
>>pils (no 'sweet' ones) like jever. thanx
>>for any recommendations/warnings.
>
>If you're going to be in the Bay Area, try Gordon Biersch.  The one in
>Palo Alto is best; they are also located in San Francisco and San
>Jose.
>

	Hmm.  Personally, GB isn't one of my favorites.  The beer is decent
enough but the atmosphere in the brewpub (at least the one here in Palo Alto)
is so annoying.

	My main reccomendation for beer in the Bay Area is the Triple Rock
Brewery in Berkeley.  Truly great stuff.
	If you get to North Beach in San Francisco, The San Francisco Brewing
company (just down the street from City Lights Bookstore) is worth a stop.
The beer is decent, and the atmosphere of the brewpub very cozy.
	And, some others have suggested the more widely available bottled
beers like Anchor Steam and Sierra Nevada--  both of which are worth 
checking out.  And might be worth touring, but I think you need to make
reservations in advance in both places.
	Two other great northern California brewers (which you might be able
to find in better liquor stores) are Steelhead and Anderson Valley.  I
don't remember anymore whether Pete's brewery (the makers of Petes Wicked
Ale) is in CA or not--  but it's a beer worth tasting in any case.


	BEERS TO AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE:

	Anything by the Monterrey brewing company. (Killer Whale Stout, Blue
Ale, etc.).  The first time I tasted a beer of theirs, I thought it had gone
bad, so I dumped it out.  I tried another bottle-- and had the same reaction.
I tasted it fresh at a small brewer's festival--  it wasn't quite as disgusting
but it was still terrible.  BLECH!

	Dead Cat Ale:  The name is pretty accurate.  It's usually flat,
too watery and generally gross.  The best description of it I ever heard
was somebody who simply said, "It tastes like the sea."

	Enjoy your stay, and enjoy the beer!

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us (Joseph Nathan Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: "Light" [Re: Amount of Alcohol in U.S. beer?]
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:48:56 EDT
Organization: 5 Sigma Software
Reply-To: joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us
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In article <BtG11o.AC5@pix.com> (alt.beer), hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom) writes:
) In article <01050166.bp0pbk@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us> joseph@joebloe.maple-shade.nj.us writes:
) >Anyway, the point of "light beer" is reduced calories.  You get
) >reduced calories by reducing the starting gravity of the brew.
) 
) This is what I'd been led to believe for years (thanks, largely, to
) Cecil Adams' "Straight Dope" column) but some research last year leads
) me to believe otherwise.  "Light" beer can also be produced by brewing
) at a slightly reduced original gravity with genetically engineered
) yeast which are able to metabolize higher-order dextrins which would
) otherwise remain, unfermented, in the beer.  A similar effect can be
) obtained, of course, by adding raw enzymes to the wort.  The result is
) a lower final gravity, the same amount of alcohol, but fewer sugars
) left over in the calorie count.

Well ... yeah.  Isn't this what I just said?

Alcohol = 7.1 calories per gram.  Protein = 5.65 calories per gram.
Carbohydrates = 4.1 calories per gram.  (Or thereabouts.  Fred's
numbers, not mine.)

My calculator tells me that 1 gram of sugar (about 180g/mol) produces
about .5 gram of ethanol (2 mol at about 46g/mol).  Thus fermenting
1 gram of sugar gives you 3.6 calories of ethanol.  (I'm winging it
here...hope this is right).  The yeast gets .5 calories for itself
in the process.

There are about 100 calories per bottle of light beer.  You can
distribute them pretty much any way you want them ... but obviously,
the calorie count of the unfermented wort is not all that different
than the calorie count of the finished beer.  If there were no
protein at all in the beer (not possible), there could be only
25 to 27 grams of sugar in 12 oz. of wort.  That's about 277 g
of sugar per gallon, or 9.8 oz/gallon, which is a starting gravity
of roughly 27.5.  Oh, well, guess *I* haven't had a diet beer
in a while!  (I drink "diet beer concentrate," one homebrew = two diet 
brews in a single bottle.  :-) )

If you're brewing for maximum alcohol content, then the "dry beer"
yeasts and/or fungal enzymes come into play, since they can reduce
the unfermentable dextrins into sugar.  Fungal enzymes aren't per
se a bad thing, but personally I'd probably keep them in sake where
they (used to) belong.  Most folks who drink beer do drink it for
the alcohol (or at least they wouldn't drink alcohol-free beer),
and this is why the brewers are so concerned about eliminating
dextrins from their brews.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: New DC Brewpub Open
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:46:18 GMT

In article <15103@umd5.umd.edu> djmurphy@wam.umd.edu (Dave Murphy) writes:
>Well the United States' capital city has a brewpub. It is called
>"The Capitol [sic] City Brewpub." (How original! :-)  ) It is in
>the 1100 block of H street right across from the Convention Center
>and 2 blocks north of the Metro Center subway station. 

Thanks for the the heads up, Dave.

There is another brewpub, in Arlington, called Amdo.  The last time
I was there they had yet to offer their own beer, too, but they have
a bunch of good beers on tap.  They sell a T-shirt which says,
"No Bud, No Miller, No Coors..."  Heh heh.  The place is a little dive-y
though.

Also, have you heard about the Brewpub slated to open in Gaithersburg?
It's going to be a while in coming, but I'm happy, since it's just a few
miles from where I live.  8^)
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