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From: rfloyd@cs.duke.edu (Rick Floyd)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question (and bindings in general)
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:42:39 GMT
Organization: Duke University CS Dept., Durham, NC
In-reply-to: colson@tc.fluke.COM's message of 21 Dec 92 18:03:59 GMT

I have one version of the heel plate you mentioned on my current skis
(HeelLocator(tm)) and they do provide a remarkable improvement in
control over what I get with just a three pin binding. However, I've
heard from several reasonably reliable sources that they've been
implicated in an increase in the incidence of ankle injuries. Since
I've already badly sprained an ankle once (walking, of all things) I'm
planning to try something else next time I see snow.

Does anyone have experience on the control some of the newer systems
give you when compared to the traditional 3-pin binding? Or is asking
this question a way to start a religious war? :-) I'm looking at
something for light touring. I plan on a mixture of non-aggressive
area skiing and day trips on forest service roads and trails. 

	rick floyd
	rfloyd@cs.duke.edu
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From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Volki P10
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:20:47 GMT

I was reading the FAQs about the Slalom and GS and
extreme skis. Does anyone know what Volki P10's 
category is?

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From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:54:27 GMT
Subject: Re: boots
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> Anyone have any experience with Technica TNS boots? 
>

Sure, they have the same color scheme as TIDE Laundry detergent box, except
brighter.  They're easy to spot coming down the hill.

John

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From: f_harris@oz.plymouth.edu (Frank N. Harris)
Subject: Re: Backcountry skiing in NH / Bretton Woods
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 21:32:28 GMT

In article <C06tuF.C4@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jrichard@cs.ulowell.edu (John 'MacGyver' Richardson) writes:
>
>	I'd like to call Bretton Woods or any other good XC skiing area
>before we head up.  Unfortunately, it's been a few years: does anyone know the 
>phone number for Bretton Woods (or if they are still around? I didn't see any
>ads in AMC Outdoors).
>

The # is 603-278-5000 or 1 800 258-0330 (Reservations).
Hope this helps!!!!!!

See ya there 0=

Frank

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From: jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu (JoJo was a man...)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon - any X-Country skiing there?
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:19:33 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <122930228@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> blakely@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Frank Blakely) writes:
>I spent two years in Arizona, and went to the Grand Canyon a lot (I lived in a
>culturally deprived area (Arizona :-) ).  In the winter there always seemed
>to be lots of snow at the North Rim, but the Park Service is closed on the
>North Rim in the winter.  I never got very formal about skiing there, I just
>went where ever there was enough snow.  The Grand Canyon is really spectacular
>in the winter.
>
	Actually, you CAN ski the north rim in the wintertime.  My dad and
some of his buddies make a (mostly) yearly "pilgrimage" to the north rim.
They start at Jacob's lake (about 40 miles from the north rim), and ski
along the road (it's closed in the winter) to the Grand Canyon Hotel on the
North rim.  The ski trip takes about 5 days from the lake to the north rim.

	After arriving at the hotel, they'd stay with the caretakikng staff
there for a few days (I don't know if they have to pay, or if the
caretakers are cool guys, or what...), and then hike down to the river and
out to their shuttle on the South rim.  The get some really interesting
looks from people on the south rim, where the temperature can often be 60 F
or so... 8-).

-Joe Skaggs
jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu
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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: North Carolina skiing?
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:06:50 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

I've heard that there are some ski areas in the highlands of North
Carolina, near the Blue Ridge Parkway.  I may soon be doing some travelling
down that way anyhow, and wonder if anyone has any experience or wisdom 
they can share regarding skiing in those parts?  (I must admit I was
surpised to find out about them... do they have to do a lot of snow making?)

	Dave
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From: jrichard@cs.ulowell.edu (John 'MacGyver' Richardson)
Subject: Backcountry skiing in NH / Bretton Woods
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:25:27 GMT


	I was planning on doing some XC skiing up in NH next week.  However,
from first hand reports, it seems the snow level is its usual 0 inches (but
ice levels are up on the hiking trails!)

	I'd like to call Bretton Woods or any other good XC skiing area
before we head up.  Unfortunately, it's been a few years: does anyone know the 
phone number for Bretton Woods (or if they are still around? I didn't see any
ads in AMC Outdoors).

	And hey, if there's no snow, we'll bring crampons and go hiking! :)

	Email or posts are fine.
			
John Richardson
jrichard@cs.ulowell.edu
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question
Keywords: xc heel positioner
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:31:56 GMT

Heel-Locators went out of favor when better boots were made and a few
accidents were blamed for them.  I still have a pair left over some
place in the closet.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Another reason to ski Vail
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:46:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

According to Sunday's NY Times, you can now rent pocket sized Celular phones
at the ski school desks in Vail and Beaver Creek. So now you can call
your broker before lunch to see if you can still afford the fancier
places.

Bill Hery
From: waltn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Walt Nester)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:34:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Helicopter Skiing/Canadian Goods Tax
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Last February I flew 2 days with Selkirk Tangiers out of Revelstoke, BC.
The only part of the GST that I got a refund on was for lodging, not the 
heliskiing fee.  The owner (of Selkirk Tangiers) mentioned that they had 
attempted to get an "exemption" from the GST for non-Canadian heliskiers,
but could not. 

- Walt Nester
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question (and bindings in general)
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:07:00 GMT

In article <VAISEY.92Dec23090523@jacobi.sfu.ca>, vaisey@cs.sfu.ca (Jacques Vaisey) writes:

> ... someone I talked
> to at MEC (an equipment co-op here in town) told me that a friend of hers
> had problems with the NNN BC binding auto-releasing at inconvenient times
> when they were loaded down with a pack. 
> 
> Does anyone out there have any comments on the reliability of the 
> NNN BC?

I have never had auto-releasing at any times, and I ski with a pack a
lot.  The only problem I've had is the reverse;  I take the skis off
for a break, and the binding grooves get choked up with packed snow,
making them difficult to reattach.  The boot grooves sometimes get
a bit snowpacked too if I'm walking around without the skis on, and
that makes it harder to put the skis on as well.

After 1-1/2 seasons, the little rubber bumpers cracked and tore;  I
went to the store I bought the bindings from (EMS) and they gave me
a new set for free.

-- 
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From: snyder@ottawa.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: White Face
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:57:15 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <C01Ls4.FpH@world.std.com>, twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore) writes:
|> A couple of side notes:  Dress warmly.  It is a cold mountain.  Get your
|> edges sharpen - it is also known as Iceface.  The Olympics were held there
|> in '80 not '84.  The Olympics in '32 (or was it '36?) did not have alpine
|> events so they were not held there.  And if there had been alpine events
|> that year, they would have had them at the old Whiteface (two or so miles
|> east of the current Whiteface) but on the same mountain.  Though Whiteface
|> has the most vertical of any place in the east, you have to access the
|> last 450' by a poma which I have never seen open.  Still a mountain
|> with a lot of vertical.

They have put in a new chair for lift #6 which goes all the way to the top.
So there is no more poma lift and you get the extra vertical. The funny thing
about all this is that the old #6 chair used to go all the way to the top.
But they had to shorten it because of high winds - it got too windy to run
the lift. I had also heard that they had to check the top of the lift in the
morning to make sure the chairs hadn't wrapped around the cable from the
wind! It would seem to me that the new chair (NOT a detachable, if I remember
correctly) would still have some wind problems. Either chairlift technology
is improving or the winds aren't as bad as they once were.

Overall, Whiteface is a nice mountain. The new trail map shows some
intermediate trails off lift 6. And Excelsior (sp) rates up there as
one of my all-time favorite intermediate trails. And the expert terrain 
is quite nice.

Derek D. Snyder
Computer Graphics and Systems Program
General Electric Corporate R&D
snyder@crd.ge.com
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From: kaalberg@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Kris Alberga)
Subject: Re: How to parallel in  powder on pins
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:27:03 EST


also look for the video, "Revenge of the Telemarkers", an educaional video by 
North Americain Telemark Organization founder Dick Hall.  This video is an excellent introductory tape for the telemarker who has little experience in parallel technique.  I think it is available for about $35.  
I don't have the address but you could loacate is hrough the Adirondack
Mountain Club, Lake Placid, NY  518-523-3441.

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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Possible honeymoon suggestions...
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:04:28 GMT

In article <1i6hnsINNqkg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer) writes:
>Now that I'm in a single status, my priorities are 
>
>1. Skiing
>2. Skiing with friends
>3. Skiing with friends who do so for the love of the sport

Now that's what I call a good set of priorities.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: arb@progress.COM (Alan R Bell)
Subject: Re: Steep Slopes
Summary: Skiing the steeps
Keywords: steep, speed
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:23:39 GMT

One way to control your speed on the steeps without placing them perpendicular
to the fall-line is to do a series of quick turns.  The number of turns you do 
will vary depending on steepness, terrain, etc... but this is something you
will learn with experience.

One hint I found helpful in maintaining my rhythm is to watch someone else
coming down a steep slope for an example.  You will see a good skier
taking a steep by making some short radius(what I call slalom turns.) turns
then throw in 2-3 really quick turns that are basically setting the downhill
ski then unweighting and making the other ski the downhill ski... you get the
idea.  

Try this on a slope that is not too steep and you will see that you lose
speed.  I also recommend that anything you a going to try should first be
done on a gradual slope because if you cannot do it there then you won't do
it correctly on more challenging terrain.(I now step down from the podium.)

Enjoy the skiing!



 Alan R. Bell        
 Progress Software Corp.                               
 14 Oak Park                 Vmail: (617) 280-4522 
 Bedford, MA 01730           Email: Alan.Bell@progress.com 
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 Progress Software Corp.                               
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From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:12:29 GMT

From article <1992Dec29.112258@is.morgan.com>, by sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff):
> |> Anyways, for the $15 I paid for it, I'd say it was worth it.
> |> They(the skisaver skins) are looking kind of ratty now
> |> after 1.25 seasons, but at least those scrapes and gouges
> |> aren't on my skis...
> 
> I don't quite see the point of having ratty plastic sheet on top of 
> one's own skis : like glueing some ratty plastic wrap on a new
> car or leaving plastic bags on new furniture, or wrapping new shoes in
> protective vinyl galoshes, or wearing new suit with dry-cleaning bag 
> on top to preserve it from dust. Of course, eventually you can pass
> all these objects to your children  in pristine condition, they'll
> appreciate it ...
> 
> Sergei

I got this put on the last pair of new skis that I bought (3 or 4 years ago)
it was put on by the ski shop with my new bindings. I thought at the time
it would not work but it was free. Any way my plastic cover was looking bad
so I peeled it off this year. The skis looked new. All the marks on the skis
peeled off with the plastic. I was impressed with the protection that the
plastic provided. It only took about 5min. per ski to get the plastic off
you have to go slow when peeling off the plastic if feels like its taking
off the top of the skis. But the skis did look new when I was done.
Would I get it done again ? Maybe I sort of agree with Sergei but if they
are doing it for free why not.
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From: murray_t@wizard.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: XC near Boulder CO?
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:55:16 GMT
Organization: UMS

Eldora has an extensive trail system that I hear is quite nice.  It
is a short drive from Boulder and offers trails for all abilities.
If you want to do some backcountry skiing there are many nice trails
within an hours drive from Boulder.  Some of the mountaineering shops
in town can help you with rentals, maps, etc.  My favorites include
Mountain Sports, Neptune Moutaineering, and The Boulder Mountaineer.
Happy Skiing -

Todd Murray
From: auge@sahiela.inria.fr (Jean-Pierre Auge)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: La Plagne snow conditions
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:52:47 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

Brian Pendleton (bjp@castle.ed.ac.uk) writes:

> Anyone know anything about the current snow conditions in La Plagne?
>
> Any suggestions for the best runs at La Plagne?
>
> No prizes for guessing who's going there at New Year...

I spent the 12-19th december in la Plagne.
May be it will cheer you: quantity and quality of snow
were excellent (mes skis never ran against stones,
according to locals poeple, snow conditions of the beginning
of that season are the best since ten years...)

Best runs: - try going to Champagny (1/2 day trip)
           - some Slopes at "Roche de Mio" Area are generally
             good (north facing)

-- 
Jean-Pierre Auge, auge@sophia.inria.fr, (33) 93 65 77 44, Fax:(33) 93 65 77 65
INRIA Sophia, 2004, rte des Lucioles, B.P.109 - 06561 Valbonne Cedex, FRANCE
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:23:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <jat-291292134929@teunas.mitre.org>, jat@linus.mitre.org (Jim
Teunas) wrote:
> 
> Last year I went to Steamboat and the year before Vail...
> This year am considering either Whistler/Blackcomb or Sun 
> Valley Id.
> 
> Can anyone give some hints as to how the skiing compares???
> I don't care anything about the shopping or the nightlife since
> my usual practice is to be at the lifts when they open and and am
> completly crashed out by 8:30 at night.
> 
> My usual skiing is in New Hampshire/Vermont/Maine.  I have fun going down
> everything except the double bozo runs ( double diamonds and bumps are fine
> )
> and don't jump off cliffs unless something is chasing me....

I've never been to Sun Valley, but I really like Blackcomb!  I've been
there once and am going back in a couple of weeks.  I have seen maps of Sun
Valley and they don't really entice me to go.  Blackcomb is awesome though!
 There is so much terrain that it boggles the mind.

The Seventh Heaven detachable quad dumps 1200 people an hour on top of the
mountain and they just disappear.  I've didn't ever have to stand in a line
for that chair either.  It dumps people on top of a ridge and you can go
off 5 distinct ways.  1) Straight down the chair (easy or hard)  2)
Straight off the front (down the Horstman Glacier)  3) Down the ridge and
into and into the Saudan (sp) Couloir  4) or into the Secret Bowl (and the
double diamond chutes out of it)  5) or down the trail into the bottom of
the Horstman Glacier.  From here you get a whole mess of other choices,
like between Staircase, Waterfall, The Bite and Overbite (all steep mogul
runs) down to the Jersey Cream chair (now a detachable quad).  Plus there's
a new chair up the Horstman Glacier to access a whole mess of other new
terrain, including the bowl outside the boundary of the resort (it used to
be a _serious_ hike to the gate).

Of course, Blackcomb has another 3000 feet of runs below these, but those
are generally intermediate with scattered advanced and I save them for the
end of the day.  Throw in Whistler which is a similar mountain right next
door and I believe that this is one of the premiere resorts in North
America.  Toss in the difference between the Canadian and US dollars (about
17% lower than US last August) and it's cheaper too.

I suspect that Sun Valley can't compare with Whistler/Blackcomb.

Jon
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From: rxg@evolving.com (Robert Grossbard)
Subject: Wolf Creek: Where to stay
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:36:46 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.

I'm planning a 3 or 4 day ski trip to Wolf Creek in January or February.

We'll be coming from Denver: what's the suggested route?
285 or I-25 to 160 (Walsenburg)?

Where can you stay?
I'd rather not drive the extra miles to Pagosa Springs,
besides it's getting pretty resorty there.
Are there motels in South Fork... in Del Norte??

Any info or past experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Let's Ride!
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Cheep Lodging in Summit in March
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:19:37 GMT

Cheep! Cheep!

A bunch of us are looking at a road trip to Summit County for a few days 
in March, after exams, and were wondering what sort of lodging might be had
_real_ cheap. I've called Days Inn, and they have rooms for $115/night!
(this is a Days Inn? !) 
	So I reckon that we're looking for something in a condo, but it
doesn't have to be too posh - a 1 bedroom might do, with a pull out. Any
ideas/recommendations?

thanks,
jim p.
....just 9 days and a wakey up from a week in Purgatory! Whoopsiedoodles! 8-)
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
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From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skis to Boards
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:30:43 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

I just spent the week in Northern Utah, skiing with my 12-year-old son.  He
has skied since he was five and can handle just about anything a slope has
to offer -- bumps, powder, crud -- you name it.  But he has had this urge
to snowboard for some time now, so he got a snowboard for Christmas (used,
but in good shape).  I followed along behind him on his first runs, just in
case we needed the ski patrol's escort service off the mountain, but it
wasn't necessary.  I have heard that acomplished skiers are at a
disadvantage when they take up boarding, but after watching my son, I would
have to disagree.  He knew about edging, about picking a line and trying to
follow it, and he certainly wasn't intimidated by the slope of the hill
(Beaver Mt., 27 miles up Logan Canyon on the Utah/Idaho border.  If you're
in the area, give 'em a try.  Ted and Marge Seeholtzer will appreciate it.
Plus, you'll see more really good skiers there than at any other resort
I've ever been to.).  But it was frustrating for him to be on a slope that
he normally could boom down without breaking a sweat to have to struggle
with every turn, and fall, and get up, and turn and fall again.  He did
pretty well considering the short time we had to ski/board together, but
it's obvious that boarding is very different from skiing.  He skates, and I
guess this experience helped him.  His final consensus was that he loved
it.  Boarding, I mean.  He won't be giving up skiing for a while, because
he's not ready for the steeps and deeps on the board, and he likes the hard
skiing, but it's only a matter of time until he can do it all on the board,
too.  The one thing I noticed, though, is that boarders, or rather, people
on boards, will never be ski patrollers, because they can't skate, climb,
or generally get around like a person on skis can, and my experience is
that getting around is most of patrolling (if I'd known they were going to
make me go uphill, I never wouldda joined! ;-).

Apparently, it hasn't snowed here all week.  There are big bare patches on
my hillside.  And it's warm.  In spite of a great beginning, the skiing
right now might not be very good in NM.  I'll let you know day after
tomorrow. 

Just a Utah/New Mexico ski report.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM