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From: tt10100@eehp6 (Timothy K Tsai)
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:18:42 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>MSU beats Indiana, rushes for 450 yds., passes for -2, blows out
>Holiday Bowl opponent.  Everyone picks Spartans to win Big Ten in
>1993, but they lose the first five before winning the rest of their
>games.
Wow, MSU plays Illinois, but beats Indiana.  They ARE good! :^)
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov17.155522.4171@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<Bxw0BE.94D@encore.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:38:55 GMT

In article <Bxw0BE.94D@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:

   >scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:

   >>  Mike Doel asks:
   >>>Any former TBDBITL members wish to post the alternate lyrics to Hail to the
   >>>Victors or LeRegiment(sp)?

   >>     Mike! Take back the request! Do you remember how many of the alternate 
   >>lyrics are outside the bounds of political correctness!? We Buckeyes will get 
   >>flamed to no end if our horribly redneck verses are posted!
   >>     OK, OK, I'll put the two I remember up:

   >Alright you guys , cut out the bullshit !!! You're going to have me
   >sticking up for Michigan soon !   

No, guys, keep posting those alternate lyrics.  Not only are they
funny, but we need Justin on our side!  See, M fans can have a sense
of humor too.




-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
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From: gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:51:06 GMT

(just me again)

I will keep my posts thinner for all of you at home:)

Anyway, I was curious as to what you meant by "not all Illini fans feel
that way".  How did I feel about the game?  I am content with the tie
(i mean we tied the "so called" #3 team in the nation in their own
stadium), HOWEVER I really thought we had the game won.  Oh well.

The only "hammering" that's gonna take place in the Rose Bowl is gonna
be another humiliating defeat for the Wolverines...my reasoning:

* Washington will not be over-confident.  The loss to Arizona was a wake-
  up call.  In a strange way, I ALMOST feel sorry for Michigan.  I 
  wonder if a team has ever produced negative total offensive yardage
  in the Rose Bowl?

* Last years Rose Bowl was obscenely one-sided (where was Desmond?). 
  Why should this year be any different?  Michigan has not made any
  quantum leaps forward in the quality of it's football program, and
  Washington is no worse for the wear.

* Finally, Michigan is "a big fish in a little pond".  Don't get me
  wrong:  I will ALWAYS be an Illini fan, but the Big 10 is a VERY
  WEAK conference...and Michigan has sputtered as of late.

That's it for now.


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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Illinois or MSU)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:17:09 GMT

In article <1ejisgINN61f@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               ) writes:
>What IF, there is a tie game in Champaign and Iowa loses to Minnesota???

	Then, Wisconsin and Indiana undoubtedly come back into the picture
	if either wins and finishes 6-5.  I think the Holiday Bowl should
	chuck the whole lot and find somebody good, but that's just me...

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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:38:33 GMT

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>But, if you're Texas A&M, 
>Texas, or any other big-money state university with a powerful athletic progr
>you'll get treated with kid gloves.  Even though they fit the qualifications 
>the NCAA Death Penalty, if I were Auburn, I wouldn't be too worried.

I am Auburn.  We do not fit the qualifications for the death penalty.
The qualifications are not that you have two programs on probation
simultaneously, but that youknowingly commit violations while on
probation already.  BTW, IMHO Auburn will not be spared.  AU will be
nailed to the wall, while Gene Jelks allegations will also be proven
true, Alabama will get a slap on the wrist.  

NOMEX suit is now on.

>GT

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov

p.s.  I too think that Tulsa got F**KED by the NCAA.
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From: sujan@stein.u.washington.edu (Sujan Punyamurthula)
Subject: Cotton Powder Puffs!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:36:48 GMT

Why is Notre Dame predicted to go to Cotton Bowl?
After plying wimpy conference teams, A&M will end up
with another powder/cotton puff.

Hope it will change after USC thumps ND.

Go Huskies
GO Pac10
sj
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Keywords: nnn
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:19:27 GMT


>
>>After thinking about it....  I think Texas played a IAA team, UNT...
>>Although I beleive they have/are petitioning to move to IA.  Get a
>>real schdule 'sips...  :-)
>       ^^^^
>Since a sooner corrected me, it's time to correct the aggie:
>schedule
>
>Real schedule???
>Miss. State dosen't count?
>@ Syracuse    "       "
>ou            "       "
>I'm willing to bet that UNT was scheduled because of Arkansas leaving and
>perhaps a quality opponent not being available at such short notice.
>
>Oh, I forgot, you guys played Stanford and um, um, um........
>
>-Chris
>
>
then explain why UNT was on your schedule still contained Arkansas?
Remember the year they almost beat you?

cmuck <- I like ribbing these guys...  pretty soon he will start 
         talking about the good ole days..  :-)

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From: WILLIAM.S.BILL.W.ZUK@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("William S. Zuk")
Subject: Huskies Taste Yellow Snow.  U-dub, U-stink.
Organization: W L I
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:20:01 GMT



Can you believe all the bandwidth on this net wasted this season
arguing whether Washington is #1 in the country?  They're not even
#1 in their own STATE and there's only 1 other team in it!  Not
even close.

The truth is out on these BOW-WOW's and it's that they couldn't
stay within 25 of the Hurricanes.  Tell me it ain't so, Billy Joe.

Is it possible that these overrated BOW-WOW's <barf-barf> will
embarrass the Pac-10 and blow the league's perennial lock on the
Rose Bowl ?????

Nah.

Look at their opposition . . .

at worst they'll come away with a tie.


-Bill Zuk
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Bobby Bowden won't give me a job!
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:53:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.191343.16570@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> tino@yogi.metray writes:
>In article 6694@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>Well, I just got back from the autograph signing that the FSU bookstore was
>>sponsoring on campus today. When I got up to the...ahem...Saint, I told him
>>to sign my copy of the book, _Saint Bobby and the Barbarian_, in the following
>>manner:
>>   
>>   To Kevin,
>>       When you graduate from college, come see me and I'll give you a job.
>>       Bobby Bowden.
>>
>>Unfortunately, this did not seem to be acceptable to him. So, instead, he 
>>signed my book (20 bucks down the drain...I mean, like I was really gonna read
>>it anyways) like so:
>>
>>   To Kevin,
>>      Scalp 'em!
>>        Bobby Bowden
>>
>>*yawn* Oh well, guess now I'll _have_ to read the stinking book...gotta get my
>>money's worth out of the deal. The bum wouldn't even sign the free baseball
>>cap I got while in line...now I will have to give out and spend money on a
>>real Christmas present.
>>
>>Kevin
>
>Well, Kev, he signed my book the same... But he did sign my free cap when I 
>asked.  Must be because I passed all his players who took my class, I don't 
>know....

When I finally got up to Bowden, it was almost 6:30. They said he was going to
leave at 6:30 sharp regardless of how long the line was. So, in their rush to
get more people signed, they said that you could only get _one_ thing signed.
Oh well.

>
>As for the job, I wouldn't give you one either.... Only kidding...  I think 
>you are the only other Nole on the net...

There are a few others...you have to look real close...most of 'em hide in the
net.bushes.

>
>---
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Kevin (the semi-nole, semi-cane...wierd combo eh?)

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.123344.12578@rtsg.mot.com> merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa  
B. Merklin) writes:

> Then how do you explain the recent NCAA probation for the Oklahoma State
> wrestling program, where the only violation that was even recruiting
> related was a pre-Freshman working a summer camp, and that OkState provided
> transportation to work at summer camps for team members? There really weren't
> any recruiting edge violations and really nothing even in the league of a
> star athlete receiving an unsecured $50,000 loan, yet the NCAA came down
> hard...

> Teresa

The distinction between the two violations you mention is that OSU is
directly responsible for the violations listed above.  OSU provided
the transportation.  UW did not make the loan.  First and foremost, a
school's staff can't break the rules, or the NCAA will come down hard.

Neither of these violations has to do with recruiting (if the pre-Frosh
had already signed a binding letter of intent) unless the job was offered
as an incentive to attend and compete there.

Orin

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MS State, Florida, Bama
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:51:32 GMT
Organization: .

Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett writes:
>| I'm not sure about Bama and Michigan, but Miami DOES play some division II 
>| schools, or what is usually referred to as division II on this net (that is
>| Division I-AA).  Remember FAMU?
>
>I love it when a Gator talks about the Florida A&M game.  See there was this 
>
>  [blah,blah,blah]
>
>The SEC plays I-AA teams. And a I-AA teams even beat a SEC team.
>Arkansaw got beat by I-AA Citadel.  That makes Arkansaw a I-AA quality team.
>Then Arkansaw destroys South Carolina, and even beat Tennessee.  S. Carolina
>is 3-4 ( SEC ), and Tennessee is 3-3 in the SEC.  
>
>Maybe, the Citidel that has won 5 out of the last 6 I-A games could be the
>SEC champ.   

Your intellect is dizzying indeed.

>Auburn played I-AA Sanford ( I-AA  Bobby Bowdens son is the coach) 

Try SaMford.

>Georga played I-AA Georga Southern.
>
>I am not sure that Louisiana Tech which has 3 SEC games, and SW Louisiana
>which has 2 SEC games are I-AA.  But, they are I-AA quality.

You MUST be kidding.  These are both I-A schools, and, although NE
Louisiana (#1 ranked I-AA team) could probably whip the USL Ragin Cajuns, 
LA Tech is far from "I-AA quality."   They went something like 8-1-3 last 
year while playing 8 road games against no-worse-than-mediocre Div I-A 
opponents.  They also have one of THE top defenses in the nation.  Ask Bama.  
As a matter of fact, they've managed to crack the Top 25 at least once 
since moving up to I-A a couple of years ago.


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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:07:59 GMT

In article <92321.120640JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Nov15.192722.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
> says:

>>While I'm at it, I sat in the GA section the second half.  Georgia fans used
>>to be pretty bad about a decade ago (ie, the Herschel era).  They have
>>finally turned back into human beings (it took a while for them to come back
>>to earth I guess).  Most of the ones I met were pretty nice.
> 
> Amazing what a good hosing will do for a crowd  :)

Hmm, in that case, I wonder if it will work with bama and Tennessee fans? ;-) 
(doubtful, but it couldn't hurt to try)

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: tweedy8432@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Northern Iowa wins Gateway Title again!
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:08:13 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Northern Iowa   37     
Southwest Missouri St.  12

From Cedar Falls, the news is good!  After a very slow start by the offense
(again), UNI was able to pull away in the second half and win their **23rd**
consecutive home game and **3rd** straight Gateway Conference Title!!

SMSU came out fired up and jumped to a 12-3 lead thanks to a blocked punt and
the quickness of their option QB & backs.  Unfortunately, they chose to ignore
their scouting report and punted away to Kenny Shedd with :60 left in the first
half.  SMS's worst nightmare came true as Kenny took the punt 62 yards down the
sideline for his 4th punt return TD of the year (7th of his career)!!  The
extra point made it 12-10 at halftime.

In the second half UNI's defense made the necessary adjustments and shut down
the speedy SMS option, holding them to 84 total yards in the 2nd half.  Mean-
while, the offense started rolling.  Along with Senior Kenny Shedd's TD in 
the first half, the rest of the seniors got into the act.  Outside linebacker
(and 1991 Gateway Defensive Player of the Year) William Freeney scored on a
six-yard run from a backfield set-up that included fellow seniors Peter Burns
(linebacker) and, I believe, Rob McComas (D-Lineman).  Later, from that same
backfield, Freeney fumbled in his push to the end-zone and Burns recovered
for another TD!!  Two other seniors closed out the scoring as QB Jay Johnson
connected with tight end Chris Nuss for a 20-yard score.  Kicker Scott
Obermeier added three field goals in the game.

The final from another sellout (16,324) in the UNI-DOME, UNI 37  SMSU 12.

Congrats to the 1992 Gateway Conference Champion Northern Iowa Panthers!!!!

And, as announced earlier today, the UNI-Dome will the sight of a first-round
playoff game between UNI and Big Sky runner-up Eastern Washington!!!  (I'll
let PDunn do the honors of throwing up the rest of the playoff pairings.)

For all those Iowa Hawkeye and Iowa State Cyclone fans who are bewildered and 
confused by the end of their football season, why not hike on over to Cedar 
Falls and watch the best football the state of Iowa (and Minnesota, Missouri
and a few other midwestern states) has to offer!!!!!!!!!!!

And for anyone else wanting an extended football Thanksgiving weekend, tickets
can be obtained at (319) 273-6131.  Get 'em before they run out!


Chris Tweedy
University of Northern Iowa

"But we've lost to some REALLY good teams . . . " disgruntled Hawkeye fan

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From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:35:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Nov17.153503.7396
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

>>Could it now be that UW fans are hyping up Arizona to make their Huskies
>>look good?
>
>Okay, so now that Arizona has beaten UW, everybody's saying
>"Hey, I guess Arizona is pretty good after all!"

I think most UW fans thought Arizona wasn't that great immediately after
the Miami game.  Afterall they had lost to Washington State and tied
Oregon State.  But in the weeks between Arizona's game against Miami and
their game against UW they handily beat Stanford, Cal, UCLA, and somebody
else (help me here).  It was obvious Arizona had gone through some sort
of metamorphos - of course that was publicised; Arizona installed their
attacking flex defense just before the Miami game and that close game
gave the team loads of confidence.

I believe that most UW fans thought Arizona was a quality team, at least
worthy of their ranking, prior to UW's loss in the desert.  

Peter B
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bruins beat USC (38-37)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:30:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

USC did not deserve to win if it gave up 30+ points to a team that scored
a combined 3 points against the two Arizona teams.



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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:04:22 GMT

In article <Bxtvpn.B3y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>
>>>	Rose Bowl: Michigan (maybe they'll even win :)
>>>	Citrus Bowl: Ohio State
>>>	Holiday Bowl: Michigan State or Illinois
>
>>	This isn't altogether correct.  Iowa can still go to the Holiday
>>	if Illinois beats MSU and Iowa wins at Minnesota...
>
>	Also if both Illinois and Iowa win, Illinois will go to the
>Independence, Peach, Copper or Freedom Bowl.  So there will be three
>Big Ten teams in bowls for sure and possibly four if Iowa wins.

	I think the Peach is pretty much a pipe dream for any of these
	Big Ten teams.  I heard a radio report this morning that
	Mississippi State has been lined up for it, and I'd imagine
	they want another team from that neck of the woods.  I'd say
	it's either the Independence or Freedom.  BTW, Wake Forest has
	been lined up for one-half of the Independence Bowl...  Don't
	look past Michigan State much.  They are playing very well right
	now.  Bruising ground game, maybe the Big Ten's best...
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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl (Was: Why Michigan Sucks)
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:30:48 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov20154613@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>   >wish UofM luck again, although this time, you are REALLY going to
>   >need it against Washington.
>
>Why?  I thought the consensus of opinion was that Washington was
>somewhat weaker this year, and that Michigan was somewhat stronger.

Two days ago I thought Washington was a little bit weaker but Michigan
was a LOT weaker.  After the Wazzu game and the TOSU game, I'll have
to amend that belief.  They're BOTH considerably weaker than last
year.

Drew
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From: cheopr@bones.et.byu.edu (Chem. E. Operator)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: BYU-UTAH HYPE


In article <1992Nov15.191612.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>Big game....
>Big rivalry...
>
>After a disappointing start (1-2 in the WAC, and 1-3 overall) 
>BYU has a lot to play for this weekend in Salt Lake against Utah.
>
>With a BYU win comes their 4th straight WAC champianship!!!

I don't think that a BYU win over Utah will give BYU the WAC championship.  There would need to be about another 3 if's for this to happen.
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 IS WEIRD
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:41:18 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <cf3g8mS00iUxA3xUp=@andrew.cmu.edu> wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley) writes:
>Can anyone explain why the PAC-10 is so fucking unpredictable?????????
>
>Will

Because they have 7-8 teams that are at least very good this year.
7 of the top 25 defenses are in the Pac10.
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