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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AIDS and all that jazz
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:16:03 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Nov15.060110.26173@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
> In article <1992Nov13.162349.10126@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>I may just be an ignorant engineering so-and-so, but is it beyond the realm of
>>possibility that somebody decided to do a trial on SIV in humans to see the
>>effect, without understanding retroviruses; used Africans as guinea pigs, and
>>started a chain reaction they never intended?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> You see, we know AIDS was arorund back in the fifties.
> 
> At that time SIV was not a known disease.  It almost certainly
> existed, but we didn't know about it.  In addition, the entire class
> of viruses it belongs to were unknown.
> 
> It is possible that someone decided to inject monkey blood into people
> for kicks, or that someone was trying to infect someone with another
> monkey disease and got AIDS as an unexpected bonus, but it seems very
> unlikely.

But not impossible?

> 
> If you are going to make this hypothesis you have to ask "Why?"  For
> example, why would anyone want to try SIV in humans even if they knew
> what it was?  It's pretty pathetic as a bio-warfare agent and it is
> easier to experiment with it in monkeys than in humans.  So why
> bother? 
> 

Could it be possible that the experiments were part of a learning curve which
established this?  I mean not every experiment is a howling success.  I'm just
curious as to why this aspect has been summarily dismissed.  I learnt about the
Tuskegee experiment for the first time this year, and so I'm in this cynical
mode where I feel no depths are too low for some researchers to plumb.

Just my $0.02.  
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one else.

McBean
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Light-skinned, Dark-skinn
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

GWH>Subject: Re: Light-skinned, Dark-skinned, the conflict continues...

GWH>On 14-Nov-92 in Light-skinned, Dark-skinned..
GWH>user N'Kenge Feagin@next05pg2 writes:

GWH>>  That same white man, after polluting
GWH>>our skin with his pale tone, then held the lighter blacks he created,

Aaaaaaaaaaaw... this sounds so familiar... Where did I hear it? Uuumm...
Aaaaah, Rabbi Kahane in Israel, called to kill all Arabs... no, that was
not the original...

ADOLF HITLER! He was the one! Why don't you guys realise, that racism
comes in *all colors ?!?

Besides, "polluting the purity of race [Hitler down in hell grinnig
satisfiedly]" is biologically spoken total bull.
First, go to Africa and visit the "pure" Africans, those, who have had
no "White genes" at all. You will find a wide variety of very light to
very black skin.
Second, mixing of the races usually benefits the offspring. To
take the first example that comes to my mind, dogs. The smartest
dogs are not inbreed (Dean, are you with me? :-) ). Ever seen a
Persian cat? Those animals are so inbreed, that they go debile. Same for
incest offspring.

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * I've upped my standards...now up yours!
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:07:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov19.040730.8038
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University

ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

>who cares about this "homeland" thing, this isn't south africa.  the issue, as
> it, is to give full constitutional rights to people living in the district
>columbia as are accorded people in alaska, wyoming, rhode island, etc.  these
>hts would apply to *all* living in the non-federal areas of d.c. regardless
>their ancestry.  the fact that current residents of d.c. are mostly af-am is
>why people like pat buchanan [who called d.c. statehood as two "affirmative
>action seats in the senate"], et. al. are opposed to it.  sounds like 
>racism to

An excellent reson to oppose it is that it would mean that people in
L.A., NY, or anywhere else would have only a fraction of the voting
power as people in DC.   

Two Senators for that one town would be a real injustice, 

...unless of course, every other comparably large city will also
get two new Senators of their very own in the bargain.

Two brand new Senators for every Rockford Illinois in America,
Ten each for Chicago, NYC, and LA,  
Two for Oakland and Tacoma,
Four each for Detroit and Seattle, etc, etc, etc...

What in the world good do you think it would do, though?

Jim Del Vecchio
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The origin of AIDS
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:20:42 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

>How's this:  I'll bet all you smart people can come up with five
>reasons why someone would try to create or distribute this disease.

I notice, however, that *you* are unable to come with
a single one.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.history
From: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
Subject: Re: Founding Fathers
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:37:43 GMT

livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

>In article <1992Nov14.230025.7498@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Seventh Circuit Bound) writes:
>|> 
>|> Yes, it's disgusting beyond belief that Africans, Arabs, and Europeans sold
>|> Africans into slavery.  But given that there were Southern states in 1787
>|> that would not have abolished slavery under any circumstances, I'm curious
>|> what it is the Northerners should have done.

>Well, one recent example springs to mind.   When Spain, Portugal
>and Greece applied for membership of the EC, they were told to clean
>up their acts and re-establish democracy first.   

	This wasn't a pre-existing federation accepting members.  If
	Virginia (the most populous state at the time) hadn't joined,
	it might have been the US of New England, and Great Britain
	might have regained some errant children.

	I was reading recently that one of the reasons President Buchanan
	was compomising so furiously in the 1850's was that there was a
	very likely prospect that a civil war might have been won by the
	slave states at that time.  This would have suited some just fine,
	but would have established a precedent of seccession which would
	have not been a good thing for the future of the US.

	- Michael Goldman

-- 
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
	<sun!sono!miklg>  or  [miklg@acuson.com]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: More gun control!
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 16:30:38 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca)  writes:
> 
> >NA>Subject: Re: More gun control.
> 
> >Look at the gun injuries in countries with very restrictive gun laws,
> >i.e. Germany. They are non-existent.
> 
> On the other hand, look at Mexico, strict laws but more
> injuries and deaths.
> 

More than where, or who?  And how many?
Specifics, please.
G.

--
Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.
San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
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From: mmrwlm@sn535.uca (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:29:39 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn535.uca
Organization: General Electric

I live in Utica, NY (1 1/2 hours west of Albany) and I haven't
heard anything about a lynching or incident resembling what
was described.  Does anyone have more information?

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______________________________________________________________________
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mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com  |  Be color-blind.  Don't be so shallow!"
                                 - En Vogue
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: llp7q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Linda L. Phillips)
Subject: Call for Artwork and Art Papers
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:21:12 GMT

              CALL FOR ARTWORK AND ART PAPERS
               FOR THE SPRING 1993 ISSUE OF
               IRIS: A JOURNAL ABOUT WOMEN


IRIS features articles, original fiction and poetry, art, book reviews, humor,
news, and personal essays focusing on women's issues.  We write for an intel-
ligent and varied audience of both sexes.  We are a non-profit organization,
staffed by volunteers, and publish twice yearly, in November and April.

If you are interested in contributing to IRIS, please submit two clear copies
of all manuscripts, and use language sensitive to differences in gender,
sexual orientation, and race.  Follow the parenthetical MLA style.  Final
decisions rest with the editorial board.  Send SASE if you wish your work
returned.

Original artwork should be submitted in the form of high quality black and
white prints or halftones.  We welcome work pertaining to women's issues
and women's involvement in the arts, and are particularly interested in
featuring experimental, less conventional work.

Art features may be reviews, interviews, or essays on contemporary or
historical artists working in any media.  Features should be 500-1000 words,
typed and double-spaced, and include black and white prints or halftones of
the work discussed.

                     SUBMIT FIRST DRAFT OR ABSTRACT BY JAN 8 1993

                          ADDRESS ALL CONTRIBUTIONS TO

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: mmrwlm@sn535.uca (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:17:41 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn535.uca
Organization: General Electric

+In article <92323.2245133ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Robert Newby) writes:
+>a young black male found hung in Albany.  At first the death was labelled
+>a suicide.  The parents objected because that behavior was uncharacteristic
+>of their son.  At present the investigation is continuing. Until now
+>there are no witnesses.

Every year many kids who "have everything going for them" and who
would "never do such a thing" kill themselves.  Just because the parents
do not think their son would commit suicide does not mean he was hung.

There is not enough information to really call it a lynching.  The
original posting had me worried for a while, but now I think it
was a false alarm.

---
______________________________________________________________________
Wanda L. McCrae            | "Free your mind and the rest will follow.
mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com  |  Be color-blind.  Don't be so shallow!"
                                 - En Vogue
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:01:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1ebcseINN24c@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>I hate to say this, but men are extremely afraid of the word, love.
>The word almost cuts their balls off.

>Yeah, and I don't need any flame retardant, either.

Don't need any here.
Ain't time for me to love anyone. Is this wrong? I sincerely don't think
it's me trying to stifle internal feelings either; too many times I've
looked at <her> and seen "that" look even though I'm still very come-as-
we-are about the thing, and so I start keeping in the back of my head a
mental "break glass in case of different ideas" emergency map for the
nearest exit. There was no active participation on my part, by my definition-
I ain't done nothing but hang around.

If I read you right, on day one, you want me to come out and say "I don't
think I'll be falling in love with you. I'll treat you right, but don't
get any ideas, OK? I'm not ready for a real c*mm*tm*nt. If something happens
to happen, well that will be our lucky day." 

Why I should be lucky to get a firm handshake after that confession, much
less spend some time with someone I obviously would like to is left as an
exercise for the reader. Sistahs (and I would assume other races of women)
just don't go for that. But consider this- who's got the better grasp on
reality- the one who comes into something expecting it to be great, and
will probably be eventually disappointed, or the one who's just "there" and
it turns out to be great.

>My scope on the matter is for the dude--and any woman--to
>flat break up with someone if they are not in love with them.

Please share some of what you're on if you expect me to be alone just
because I'm not in love with someone....I know there's more to your
statement than what I'm reading- please expound. How long should they have
to wait before determining the futility of trying to love someone? I'm
too cynical to believe in "first-sight" love (instantaneous lust, of course,
has never been a problem, but we're not talking about that right now).

>What about the hidden agendas of men, pray tell?  Like yall don't plan
>nothin', see how somethin' plays to sisters?  Like yall don't LIE?  Like
>yall don't scheme, neither?  Come ON...

Is it me, or has someone been hurt either (a) a lot, or (b) lately? But hell,
this is just my silly wild-assed guess. Besides, we all know that women NEVER
scheme or control relationships. We, men, the strong-shouldered wielders of
the great evil of our manhoods, never, ever get hurt.

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:07:01 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography

In article <9BmiuB6w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
(Sam Bhimji) says:
>
>peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>
>It's too bad Hitler hadn't killed your parents...the world would be
>better off without you here thats for sure..
>
>
>Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

Stromer may be an idiot, but Bhimji's comment is racist and disgusting

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rjp@psda.jvnc.net (Ron Plummer)
Subject: Re: Black Students Rally At Adelphi
Organization: Professional Software Development Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:04:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.200857.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu> richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu writes:
>From: richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu
>Subject: Black Students Rally At Adelphi
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:08:57 GMT
> On The Rally 
>
>Note.  These are just the bare bones details, and the reasons would take up 
the
>entire Delphian and then some.  For further info, obtain a copy of the 
next
>issue of Afrika Unbound, coming out in December.  Otherwise, inquiries 
may be
>directed to me via the Caribbean Club Box in U.C. 109.
>
>Richard Dennison
>President, Caribbean Cultural Awareness Club
>Chairman, Afrikan 
Concerns Association
>
>

Is it possible to post copies of "Afrika Unbound" on this news group
or make it available (via ftp) to interested partie?

                                                      rjp
From: strickha@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Heath A. Strickland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: OMAR's bio : Jive version
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:09:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: strickha@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Heath A. Strickland)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-08.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


> 
> I agree with you completely, Ted, and since none of those socially
> advanced Solons at Rose-Hulman are likely to put their money where their
> mouths are, I posted their little racist diatribe to
> soc.culture.african.american for them.  It disgusts me when the trendy
> subject in campus humor centers around harassment of the hearing  
impaired
> and race hatred.

Well,  Ted...I have never been on this newsgroup before but I don't  
appreciate you stereotyping us.  I happen to be racist and pure fucking  
evil but that is my choice.  And if you like flaming at everything you  
read,  please do so because being called a racist makes me Happy,  some  
people see nothing wrong with it.

Long live David duke!
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Hugh G. Rection)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:20:58 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: 50 yards to the outhouse, by Willie Make-it and Betty Don't

        >Hi, of course, I had to answer :-)

Be prepared for me to blow BOOGERS all over you.  :)

        >Do you have a better explanation of it [homos] than just 
        >by nature?

Rootslurpers fall into 2 classes:

1.  Those that are so BUTT UGLY that no girl will go out with them, and
2.  Those that are so HORNY that there aren't enough girls in the world
    to satisfy them.  Oops, I probably offended the chicks out there
    when I said 'girls'.  Of course, I meant 'bimbos'.  :)

        >I do not judge heterosexuals by such people as Phyllis Schlafly, 
        >John Wayne or that Anita Bryant. Please use the same differentation.

Most heterosexuals don't make an issue out of sex.  It's the queers that
are doing so.  How GROSS!   Eyyyeeewwww!!!

        >Magic Johnson, for starters.

A homo if ever there was one.  Publicly kisses Isiah on the lips every
time they play.  No MAN that I ever knew would kiss another man on the
lips, not even his father!

        >Not every Gay is AIDS carrier. 
        
Yet.        
        
        >There are more heterosexuals carrying AIDS, than Gays. 
        
Not if you eliminate IV drug users from the equation.  
        
        >I want to be protected from them. 
        
Me too.  Let's quarantine everyone with AIDS tomorrow.  I assume that
you'll sign my petition.

        >Being Gay is gross as long as people like you exist.

Sorry, but pumping some man's sorry, pimply, AIDS butt is gross to
most people, but since it's politically incorrect to say so these
days, most people will avoid the topic (in public, at least).

        >* OLX 2.1 TD * IB6UB9, we'll be fine!
                          ^  ^              
AHA!  69!  A secret code word for homosex.  I knew it!                          

-- Hugh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Hokh'Ton)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:44:47 GMT

rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson) writes:


>It so funny watching how certain people on this list accuse celebrities of be-
>gay or bi when they know *nothing* about their lives!! First the retard who 
>declared (he just *knew* that he was right! ) that Magic Johnson was a bisexual
>and now, this person saying Pee Wee Herman is homosexual...Where are you people
>getting this *carved in stone* info??? 
		[material deleted]

>. . . Paul Rubens(although I dont know his sexuality, so I wont
>speculate ignorantly) the real person (see where I draw the line between real-
>ity and fantasy) I have seen out *several* times with women on his arm..	                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

		[material deleted]
>                                                                RJ

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	RJ, I agree with you whole-heartedly regarding the folly of specu-
lating on someone's sexuality without proof in that regard, although I'd
hardly refer to it as accusation, which you do.
	On the other hand, aren't you doing the same thing when you refer to
Herman being seen with "women on his arm"? Ever hear of Rock Hudson?

-- 




	Hokh'Ton	:	The Crystal Wind is the Storm,
  mdouglas@netcom.com	:	 and the Storm is Data,
Michael Douglas-Llyr	:	  and the Data is Life.
			:		---Player's Litany (The Long Run)
	

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Light-skinned, Dark-skinned, the conflict continues...
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:13:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.164458.12457@sequent.com> kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.005157.18696@uts.cc.wayne.edu> delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge) writes:
>
>>Its not a prejudice, or a peer-presured choice, but a feeling when I'm with
>>them. Its like there skin-tone adds to their beauty and I love it. I love 
>>my lighter-skinned sisters but I just don't get the same feeling. I don't
>>know how to describe the feeling...
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>  Certain white people need that feeling too.  This is why blacks sat
> in the back on public busses,  and couldn't find a water fountain to drink 
> from down south.
>
>  The feeling remains the same in a lot of white people today.  Guess it isn't
> prejudice.

I think that you are way off point on this!!!! Being that way, remains the same 
in this country today.

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