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From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Radio Australia Frequencies
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:48:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxc.1992Sep5.034809.90003
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Note on AFL Broadcasts via Radio Australia.
-------------------------------------------
 (The frequencies may have changed. Please check with a SW radio store or
   magazine for any changes.)

 Radio Australia broadcasts sport in English on Saturday afternoons Australian
Eastern Time. The broadcasts are mostly aimed at the Pacific and Asian regions
but they can be picked up in the North America region, and in the Europe/Middle
East region.

 The broadcasts can be heard at the following times and frequencies:

         GMT    Melbourne (AEST +10 GMT)        USA Eastern (EST -5 GMT)
        ----    ------------------------        ------------------------
Start   0200            1200                            2100 (Fri)
Finish  0730            1730                            0230

USA/CANADA: 21740 kHz or 15240 kHz

UK/EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST: 21775 kHz or 21525 kHz

 Whoever has a shortwave radio should be able to pick up these frequencies.
Please tell me latter on how good or bad the reception was.

 Good luck.

 _________________________________________________________________________
|  John Marinopoulos                                                      |
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From: sanjay@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Sanjay K. Mazumdar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Crows' squad
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:00:26 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide


Does anyone out there have a list of the 52 in the Crows' squad? I would
like to see who they will drop for the November draft.

Thanks in advance
Sanjay Mazumdar
-- 
Sanjay Mazumdar
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| E-mail    : sanjay@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au                                   |
| Snail-mail: Dept of Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide |
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Computer Simulation of Australian Rules Football??
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:15:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug31.052902.1602@uwm.edu> allan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Allan M Sellers) writes:
>
>
>	This might be an odd request, but are there any IBM compatible
>	simulation games of Australian Rules Football-either strategy or
>	action.  I live in the U.S. and haven't seen any...yet.


It has been my long life mision to find just such a program.
Unfortunately, it has been to no avail.  I have even tried to
antagonize friends or acquaitances (sp?) who are familiar with
programming to create such a game, but none have had the
inclination, desire or sufficient knowledge to design such a
program.

As a substitute, a friend of mine and I, before I left Melbourne
around last Christmas, used an indoor soccer game program as a
substitute.  (I think it was called IMSL or something).  It wasn't
very expensive, and in fact would make a fine quasi-prototype to an
Aussie Rules version of the game.  I have seen it in stores
recently, at a very good price, and there are other game variations,
made by the same company, such as outdoor soccer and ice hockey.

Perhaps someone has found, or written, a program somewhere.  Or is
there anyone out there in netland willing to produce one?  There
might be some ex-patriots in the Bay area that way inclined....

One thing that I know exists (because I have a copy here in San
Diego, which I brought from Melbourne), is a database of all the
quarter by quarter scores of ALL league matches, including their
venues, dating back to the first game in 1897.  It has a host of
other features: up to date ladders (it relies on the owner entering
the qtr. by qtr. scores every week), club vs. club statistics,
ladder positions - given in graph form - of each individual club at
any point during their existence, Brownlow medalists, etc.  You can
even look up matches at specific venues, defining it with certain
parameters like margin of victory, venue, round it was played, etc.

When I left Melbourne, the creater of the database was pretty much
selling the thing on his own out of his residence in Canberra.  I
ordered it from him.  If anyone is interested, I can give you the
address (it's just a matter of digging it up out of bedroom closet
somewhere).  BTW, I in no way receive any financial reimbursment for
the sale of this product.

There is also another program (which I suspect John Marinopolous uses),
which is a tipping competition program.  I don't have a copy with me
here, put its purpose is to keep a running tally of tips for office
betting systems etc.  You are asked to enter scores each week, and
the proogram then calculates and tabulates tips, as well as the
ladder.  Both can be printed out.

The name of the first program is "Ruckman" (I have version II, which
includes the final six and the introduction of Adelaide to the
competition), but the name of the second program escapes me.


I hope this helps.



Tom Marvan.





Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Re: Finals Venues (was Re: AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992)
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:05:18 GMT

In article <9224222.15042@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands) writes:
>	I'll go one better, and try to predict the venues as well:
>
>If West Coast wins (Carlton loses):
>	Qualifying final (1 v 2)
>		Geelong v Footscray (AFL Park, Saturday)
>
>	1st Elimination final (3 v 6)
>		Collingwood v St Kilda (MCG, Sunday)
>
>	2nd Elimination final (4 v 5)
>		West Coast v Hawthorn (Subiaco, Sunday)
>
>Disclaimer: The venues and days are predictions. The selections are based on
>potential crowd drawing power, no night final, and that AFL Park won't host
>a Sunday game (only the MCG will).

	Ok, I was wrong! The venues have been announced. The Qualifying final
is at the MCG on Sunday, the 1st Elimination final at AFL Park on Saturday.
Why I don't know - the Collingwood-St Kilda match should sellout AFL Park
while I doubt the Gellong-Footscray game will (but it will probably exceed
60,000). But the AFL executive know everything, I am just a lowly football
follower :-)

					Ian



Ian Rowlands, former student in  | Uni (Pref) :   ianr@ee.mu.oz.au 
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, | CITRI (Work) : ianr@godzilla.cgl.citri.edu.au
 (including Computer Science)    | Home (Play) :  ianr@gpark.pub.uu.oz.au 
University of Melbourne          |   OR ..!uunet!munnari!yarra!eyrie!gpark!ianr
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Job had it easy
Keywords: world
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:35:55 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


	I stayed loyal even when we got Barassi
	I put up with Peter Moore and Brain Wilson.

	But if we get stuck with Glendening
	I think I'll be heading to the vfa.

	Maybe a Melb/Richmond merger would be good
	afta all.
From: sloan@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Davin Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Finals Venues (was Re: AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992)
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:00:11 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <9224323.3147@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands) writes:
>

[ stuff deleted]

>	Ok, I was wrong! The venues have been announced. The Qualifying final
>is at the MCG on Sunday, the 1st Elimination final at AFL Park on Saturday.
>Why I don't know - the Collingwood-St Kilda match should sellout AFL Park
>while I doubt the Gellong-Footscray game will (but it will probably exceed
>60,000). But the AFL executive know everything, I am just a lowly football
>follower :-)

The most likely reason for these venue allocations is that Waverley will 
probably be able to accommodate more 'general' supporters (i.e. season 
ticket holders & the public) than the MCG! Most of the MCG will be taken by 
AFL members, corporate execs, etc.

BTW, I'm not slagging AFL members - just stating the facts. ;-)

>
>					Ian
>
>
>
>Ian Rowlands, former student in  | Uni (Pref) :   ianr@ee.mu.oz.au 
>Dept. of Electrical Engineering, | CITRI (Work) : ianr@godzilla.cgl.citri.edu.au
> (including Computer Science)    | Home (Play) :  ianr@gpark.pub.uu.oz.au 
>University of Melbourne          |   OR ..!uunet!munnari!yarra!eyrie!gpark!ianr


Go 'Pies!!!,

Davin                                         e-mail: sloan@latcs1.lat.oz.au



PS: I just love those 3-4 hour queues for finals tickets!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH)
Subject: Re: Computer Simulation of Australian Rules Football??
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:05:18 GMT

Send munch@soda.berkeley.edu a message with the subject "help" (exactly
like that in lower case)  It will tell you how to get the rules and
subscribe to the waiting list for a play-by-email free-of-charge Aussie
Rules Football game.

Mel (the author of said game)
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Statistics
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:01:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <gordon.715492334@ningaui> gordon@cs.uwa.oz.au (Gordon Royle) writes:
>In my opinion the statistics are meaningless in Australian Rules.
>




Well, whatever your point of view, there is one statistic of vital
importance in Australian Football, and that's how many points you
score.


Also with regard to statistics, I remember reading somewhere on the
net the following quote: "Statitistics are like a bikini on a girl:
they reveal a lot, but don't show everything."


Or something like that.



Tom Marvan.
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:01:56 IST
From: Anthony Waller <P85014@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: DAMNABLE PERCENTAGE

In article <dacelo.715476214@morgana>, dacelo@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ralph Mac
Nally) says:
>
>The news traffic concerning Carlton's 'unluckiness' is
>all too true. Some of the major points you may wish to
>consider are:
>
>    (1) the Blues played top six clubs 11 times, while
>            the Turkeys (aka Hawks) played just eight

  I'm a St.Kilda supporter but this point here against the Turkeys
(that's a new one for me) is disingenuous.

  While you rightly count Carlton's 11 games against the top 6, you
only count Hawthorn's games within the top 6 and leave out Hawthorn's
2 games against Carlton!  So, in Carlton's 11 games you count the 2
Hawthorn-Carlton games but you don't count them for Hawthorn!  Tricky!

  An analysis of the top 7 teams gives

Carlton      11
Hawthorn     10
West Coast   10
St.Kilda     10
Footscray     9
Collingwood   8
Geelong       8

  which is very interesting when you look at how they all finished on
the ladder!

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Bar-Ilan University     INTERNET:  P85014@vm.biu.ac.il
Israel                  CARNA SAINTS!!!!
From: dacelo@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ralph Mac Nally)
Subject: DAMNABLE PERCENTAGE
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:23:34 GMT

The news traffic concerning Carlton's 'unluckiness' is
all too true. Some of the major points you may wish to
consider are:

    (1) the Blues played top six clubs 11 times, while
	    the Turkeys (aka Hawks) played just eight
    (2) the Turkeys didn't have to venture to either
	    Perth or Adelaide this year, in fact played
	    each only once, at home, and lost!
    (3) the Turkeys snuck in by running up the score
	    against pitiful Essendon and pitiful Richmond
	    performances.
    (4) I blame the Bears for that awful collapse against
	    the Turkeys in Round 15 (20 points or so up
	    with minutes left, and then let the Turkeys
	    get up with a Hall goal).

The AFL needs to abolish percentage as a way of separating
teams on the ladder. Believe it or not, the NFL (US) actually
uses fairer means of achieving this. Head-to-head performances
are a very good guide (guess who would have finished 5th and 7th
on this basis). If that fails, the NFL looks at nett points
in such games (i.e., both teams win one), but this is not
so good for Australian football given sensitivity of scores to
weather conditions. If the head-to-head is 1-1, one could look at
how difficult the teams' draws were by summing wins/losses of
the teams' opponents over the year. I mean, would Hawthorn have
ousted Carlton or St Kilda on any criterion except damnable
percentage????

Ralph
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Good luck saints
Keywords: World
Date: 24 Aug 92 03:39:32 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3



	It's not often a loss comes with a gain.

	But Sunday's result (Dee's going down to St's)
has a very silver lining.  And I for one will be hoping like hell
we beat Hawthorn next, and WC beat Carlton, and the Saints get
competitive in the finals.


	It's just a pity it wasn't possible for both 
Hawks and Blues to get left out!

			
	Gee Geelong started playing finals footy early this year!

				Colin
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: some winners, some losers...
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:03:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep1.085120.15398@cs.su.oz.au> tom@cs.su.oz.au writes:

>	There are three tiers of Finals Experience, first team in each
>	tier the most exp.
>
>	1. Haw, WCE
>	2. Geel, Coll (both have missed in last 2 years)
>	3. St K, Foots


Well, perhaps this is even debatable.  St. Kilda has many more players
with recent finals expereince than Footscray.  The Dogs have not
made the finals since, I think, 1985, whilst the Saints particiapted
last season.  I think the sting of last year's elimination final
loss against Geelong is still well and truly being felt at
Moorabbin, a factor which may spur them onto greater things this
finals month than the pundits predict. 

A further advantage is that the Saints, although they would have to
win all four finals games to take the flag, had the bye last week, a
factor which we should not underestimate.  Tony Lockett, in
particular, an obvious key to St. Kilda's success, has a habit of
coming back very strongly after a rest (recall last year vs.
Adelaide - 12 goals; and vs Carlton - 13 goals).  I'm not sure how
he fared in the matches after byes this season.  Anyone care to
illuminate us on this?


Tom Marvan.
From: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:59:03 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

The AFL News for Saturday 29/8/1992.
------------------------------------
 Today is the second of the last round of the regular season. Finally the finals
race is almost clear, but it will be finalised after the last game of the season
tomorrow in Perth. The scores for today's games are:

        Hawthorn 22.17 (149) def. Melbourne 20.10 (130)

        Collingwood 12.15 (87) def. Adelaide 11.16 (82)

        Geelong 16.14 (110) def. Essendon 9.10 (64)

        Footscray 19.17 (131) def. Brisbane 11.8 (74)

        N. Melbourne 19.16 (130) def. Fitzroy 14.12 (96)

 Hawthorn has now made its 11th straight finals series.

 The finals for next week are still not all set. The possible games are:

   Qualifying final (1 v. 2)
                Geelong v. Footscray

   1st Elimination final (3 v. 6)
                Collingwood v. Hawthorn   (if Carlton defeats West Coast)
                            OR
                Collingwood v. St.Kilda   (if West Coast defeats Carlton)

   2nd Elimination final (4 v. 5)
                Carlton v. West Coast *   (if Carlton defeats West Coast)
                            OR
                West Coast v. Hawthorn ** (if West Coast defeats Carlton)

 *  - in Melbourne
 ** - in Perth

Hope you enjoy these. Until tomorrow.............

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-  Clayton Victoria 3168            E-mail: marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  -
-  Australia                                                              -
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: ins818e@mdw040.cc.monash.edu.au (Pratap Patnaikuni)
Subject: Re: The Eagles---Premiers 1992
Keywords: Eagles for Champions
Organization: Monash University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.003854.23979@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> chandran@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Arvind Chandran) writes:
>To all you Victorian football team supporters (especially Hawthorn, St .Kilda
>Footscray, Geelong and Collingwood)...The Eagles are ready and raring to

Who would want to be one of those???? EEuuuurrgggghhhh!!!! *vomit*

>go...It would be one of the best things in football if the Eagles took
>the premiership cup and stuck it right up the Victorian Public and Joan

What do you mean "if?"  You mean "when"!!! (-:

>                        Good, Better, Best
>                        The Eagles Will Never Rest
>                        Until We've Passed the Test
>                        And the Flag is in the West 
>  
>                                   AC

(-: (-:

-Pratap

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                                     pratap@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au 
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
    Some may say that dreams are like the gold in a rainbow, but if we
        never took the time to dream we'd never find an answer.   
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Pete Staples)
Subject: Re: DAMNABLE PERCENTAGE
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:18:02 GMT

dacelo@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ralph Mac Nally) writes:

>The news traffic concerning Carlton's 'unluckiness' is
>all too true. Some of the major points you may wish to
>consider are:

>    (1) the Blues played top six clubs 11 times, while
>	    the Turkeys (aka Hawks) played just eight
>    (2) the Turkeys didn't have to venture to either
>	    Perth or Adelaide this year, in fact played
>	    each only once, at home, and lost!
>    (3) the Turkeys snuck in by running up the score
>	    against pitiful Essendon and pitiful Richmond
>	    performances.
>    (4) I blame the Bears for that awful collapse against
>	    the Turkeys in Round 15 (20 points or so up
>	    with minutes left, and then let the Turkeys
>	    get up with a Hall goal).

>The AFL needs to abolish percentage as a way of separating
>teams on the ladder. Believe it or not, the NFL (US) actually
>uses fairer means of achieving this. Head-to-head performances
>are a very good guide (guess who would have finished 5th and 7th
>on this basis). If that fails, the NFL looks at nett points
>in such games (i.e., both teams win one), but this is not
>so good for Australian football given sensitivity of scores to
>weather conditions. If the head-to-head is 1-1, one could look at
>how difficult the teams' draws were by summing wins/losses of
>the teams' opponents over the year. I mean, would Hawthorn have
>ousted Carlton or St Kilda on any criterion except damnable
>percentage????

>Ralph

This is very confusing, as I thought the Eagles were the turkies 
But I'm quite prepared to call the Eagles budgies (suits them after all
they are blue and yellow, and if you live in Perth... there is plenty of
squawking about them.). So Hawks -> turkies and Eagles -> budgies 

and the Magpies -> "well I'll leave it up to you"

GO CATS.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: some winners, some losers...
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:51:20 GMT

In article <1685411826.CASPAUF@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, CASPAUF@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
|> Re Thomas Jones in your prognostications for the upcoming finals: In your
|> analysis of the WC v. Haw final you argued that ALL the finals experience of
|> the 6 challengers was contained in this final (save some for Coll.).  Far be
|> it from me to let the facts obstruct your 'flow of consciousness' approach to
|> analysis, but I do happen to recall (even at this distance) that Geelong have
|> undertaken two full finals campaigns (1989 and 1991) in recent years.  To say
|> they are bereft of finals experience is just good, old-fashioned CRAP.
|>  
|> Regards, Paul.
|>  

	Ok, you are right.
	There are three tiers of Finals Experience, first team in each
	tier the most exp.

	1. Haw, WCE
	2. Geel, Coll (both have missed in last 2 years)
	3. St K, Foots

	tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: allan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Allan M Sellers)
Subject: Computer Simulation of Australian Rules Football??
Originator: allan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:29:02 GMT



	This might be an odd request, but are there any IBM compatible
	simulation games of Australian Rules Football-either strategy or
	action.  I live in the U.S. and haven't seen any...yet.

	Thanks,

	Allan Sellers

	allan@csd4.csd.uwm.edu