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Subject: Stern the next Roberts....Nah
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:37:27 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

>My method of common Points/PIM would give the Man Byng to 
>Kevin Stevens with Gary Roberts in second place.  This gives equal
>credit for toughness and skill.  (BTW, watch out for Ronnie Stern
>taking the Man Byng in a few years).

As tantalizing as it is to envision from our standpoint as Flames fans, I have
to disagree that Ron Stern will be the next Gary Roberts. Stern is a good
skater and stuff, but does not have the hands necessary to put up Roberts-like
points. All Stern will ever be good for is killing penalties and the 
occasional fight. (Which, I have noticed, he very seldom wins). With Roberts,
he had put up some big numbers in junior with the Ottawa 67's, and there was
never any question that he had the talent to score in the NHL. The question 
was always "when will he prove it?". With Stern, he will never prove it 
because the talent isn't there.

Sorry, Issac. I'd love to see you be right and have Stern develop into a
Gary Roberts, but in my heart I know it will never happen.

								Alan
From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Trades
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 10:06:46 EST
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
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Left Winger Ken Balenger of the Ottawa 67's has been traded to Guelph 
Storm. The 67's received right wing Brent Pope and defenceman Fredrik 
Oduya a 17 year old who calls Stockholm Sweden Home. Pope is a 19 year 
old, third year player from Ancaster, he can also play the point if 
needed. Oduya is considered a prospect likely to be drafted by an NHL 
team.
Leftwing/defenceman Sean Gagnon, placed on waivers by the 67's was picked 
up by Sault Ste. Marie.
GM Brian Kilrea welcomed tiny Mike Gamble who played in the Midwestern 
Jr. `B' League this season, he is 5-foot-8, 160 pounds.

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From: bassek@vipunen.hut.fi (Basse Kankkonen)
Subject: Re: NHL Skills Competition: Iafrate Breaks 100 Barrier
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date:  5 Jan 93 18:11:22 GMT

In <93005.091538U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>I remember reading about some sports show in Canada (perhaps in Toronto?)
>that had a shot measuring device as an exhibit. [This took place right
>after the first Canada/Soviet Union series in '72]  All the "big guns" of
>the NHL were invited to participate (including Bobby Hull, who had just
>signed with Winnipeg of the WHA).  Many shots were recorded well over 100mph.
>The big winner was also a big surprise.  It was Paul Henderson, the "hero" of
>game 8.  His shot was measured over 120mph.

>This was the reason I was surprised that the recent skills competition speeds
>were "so slow."

>Of course, this may all have been some publicity stunt.  Or, the measuring
>device may not have been as accurate then as they are today.

I recall that the finnish record is about the same, ~ 180 km/h or something.

>Terry
>U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: gdejong@mobius05.math.uwaterloo.ca (Greg DeJong)
Subject: Re: Nordiques call up
Keywords: Quebec,Andersson
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:23:11 GMT

In article <VRXXwB4w165w@pinetree.org>, montana@pinetree.org
David Wong) writes:
>Called up Niclas Andersson from Halifax.

	This is really quite interesting.  If I am not mistaken,
Andersson was regarded by the Swedes as the best 18 year old Swedish
hockey prospect to emerge in 1989, the same year as Mats Sundin.
(Mind you, the NHL scouts did not think so highly of him.)
	I have been interested in seeing how this player would perform
in the NHL.  He may be a bit too small, but if he is the leading scorer
for Halifax, he probably stands a fair chance to do well at the NHL
level.
	Andersson appears to be very dedicated, and therefore I hope
that he succeeds.  Here is a Swedish player that could be a quality,
maybe even star player in the Swedish league, who comes to Canada to
play in a minor league, all in the hopes of one day playing in the NHL.
The AHL in pay, prestige, and comfort must pale in comparison to the
Swedish league in the eyes of a Swedish hockey player.  Even players
like Bengt Gustaffsson, Mats Naslund and Hakan Loob preferred
to go back to Europe rather than enjoy a few more productive NHL seasons.
	Maybe the Nordiques next season will have a line of Sundin,
Andersson, and Forsberg.  I think that would make Farjestad, AIK Stockholm,
Malmo, and many other teams in Sweden to drool.
From: dnewell@boole.cse.nd.edu (devin newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WJHC  Officials
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:50:16 GMT
Reply-To: dnewell@boole.cse.nd.edu (devin newell)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Kind of a strange request but, can anyone tell me what were the
names of the American and Canadian Officials which worked the WJHC.
I believe each country sent one ref and one linesman.

Any information would be helpful in settling a bet.
From: gerry@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1992 World Junior Hockey Championship (WJHC)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:22:36 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: skatter.usask.ca

In article <1993Jan2.074516.13115@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, by golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> In article <9301012146.AA01472@booth.usask.ca> glc39@booth.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>>
[Quebec shouldn't trade Forsberg for Daigle ...]
> 
> But Peter's name isn't Pierre...
> 
> ....it's a tough decision, Forsberg right now is the better player, but
> Daigle may still have more potential...we're sort of comparing apples
> and oranges, by comparing a 19-year old with a 17-year old.  Looking
> at the Nordiques current line-up non-politically, I think Forsberg
> would not only help a lot sooner because of his age, but his skills
> are probably more necessary to current roster than Daigle's...but
> Quebec nationalism being what it is, this one may be a political
> decision and not a pure hockey decision.  The Nordiques have it
> within their power to have the next great French-Canadian superstar...
> can they afford to let him slip away...and especially to Ottawa,
> which is a divisional and marketing rival.

Or worse yet(for Quebec) have Montreal make up a package of young defenseman
and middle aged veterans to send to Ottawa for Daigle. If Montreal was to
even mention they were interested Quebec would be forced, almost literally,
to do all in their power to get Daigle. Quebec certainly has more to offer
than Montreal but the Habs could put together a decent package for Daigle,
if the fans in Quebec thought that Montreal might get the next Lafleur,Lemieux
etc. they might just riot.

My advice to Ottawa is to play up the political end to the hilt, then don't
settle for less than Forsberg,Sundin or Nolan and Quebec's top pick in the
1993 draft(will Quebec have more than just their own? Philly's maybe?). Is
Daigle worth it? I doubt it, well at least not from the little I've seen
(admittedly not enough to give a good judgement) but the thought of losing 
the best French Canadian to come along in a while should push his market
value up tremendously.

Politics and Sports don't you just love it?
--
Gerry Gryschuk       "If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science;
gerry@sask.usask.ca   it is opinion"
Go Habs!!!	      "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"
			 - Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein)  
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From: chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee)
Subject: Re: Canucks Snubbed in All-Star
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:56:03 GMT

p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:


>I heard on the radio this morning that the only Canuck that will be in the 
>All-Star game is Bure (who the fans selected).  The GMs, I believe, were
>Keenan, Patrick, and 2? others.  It was also pointed out that Vernon and
>Casey (note: Modano was selected) were selected for goal instead of McLean.
>Other notable Canucks that are going to be absent G Adams (49 pts) and
>G Courtnall (47 pts).

I totally agree...what the hell are they doing by putting Casey in net 
instead of Kirk.  OK, I agree that Belfore and Vernon deserve the spot,
but why Casey?  I hear that in the GMs selections, there was also another
goalie between Casey and McLean.  They must just be saving the Vesina (sp?)
for McLean...

>So the 2nd best team in the NHL, according to the (SFBs) GMs, are this
>good only because of Bure.  I like Bure, but he's far from the team.
>Anyways, I wasn't planning on watching it and it looks like I'll keep
>to my plans.

This is also true.  Bure is going to be the only Canuck in the whole All-
Star game, and only because he was voted in by fans...

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From: busch@stein.u.washington.edu (Arthur Busch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: puck in wrong net?
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:04:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iqrk0INNoob
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith) writes:

>In article <1993Jan8.215319.27236@walter.bellcore.com> bc@leis.bellcore.com writes:
>>I rememeber the Islanders were playing to Colorado Rockies and a delayed
>>penalty was called on the Isles, a Rockie sent a pass to the middle of the 
>>Isles blue line.  However no Rockie was there and the puck went into the
>>Rockies open net (Since there was that delayed penalty called and the
>>goaltender was pulled for the extra skater).
>>
>>Trivia Question??
>>
>>Anyone know who the guy was who was credited with the Islander goal??
>>
>That would have been Billy Smith, the first goalie to be credited with an
>NHL goal.

>I remember Hextall scoring when he played for the Flyers.  Does anyone
>remember any other goalie goal getters?

>Mark S

Ron Hextall has scored two NHL goals, one in the regular season and one in the 
playoffs.  He is the only NHL goalie ever to score a goal.  Bill Smith is the
only other NHL goalie to be credited with a goal, but as mentioned above, he
did not score it.  Two goaltenders, however, have scored goals in WHL games.
Olaf Kolzig, playing for the Tri-Cities Americans, scored against the Seattle
Thunderbirds during the 90-91 season, and Jeff Calvert playing for the Tacoma
Rockets, scored just this year (I don't know against whom, however, since
I don't follow the Rockets very closely).

Art
From: b_hart@odin.dev.macsch.com (Bill Hart)
Subject: Re: KINGS - HABS trade rumour
Reply-To: b_hart@macsch.com
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:38:51 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.155001.854@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, milne@bmerh136.bnr.ca (Bruce Milne) writes:
|>
|>Hot rumour has it that the KINGS have traded Robitaille and change to the HABS
|>for ... Patrick Roy...   can anyone substantiate this..
|>
|>
Its January, the Kings are struggling, and, now, the
annual lets trade Robitaille rumor.

My guess is its just a rumor. In fact, this may be the rumor
alluded to in the following newspaper article I posted to
the Kings mailing list.
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The following article by staff writer Greg Christensen appeared in the 
January 4, 1993, San Gabriel Valley Tribune. It is reprinted here
without permission.

Melrose says there's no truth to Robitaille trade talk.

INGLEWOOD --  Luc Robitaille trade rumors come up every year, or
at least it seems that way.

But this year's rumor seems even more unbelievable than those of 
the past.

Robitaille was named the Kings' captain this year and is off to the
best start of his career with 30 goals and 56 points in 39 games.
But, according to rumors that surfaced on the East Coast, Los Angeles
might be interested in dealing for Brett Hull of St. Louis.

Hull, the NHL's leading goal scorer the past two years, is having
an off season, but a player of his stature (he scored 86 goals in
1990-91) still would be costly to acquire. The two Kings mentioned
in a possible deal are Robitaille and defenseman Rob Blake, or
both.

Kings owner Bruce McNall was unavailable for comment Saturday but,
as usual, Los Angeles coach Barry Melrose had something to say.

"I've heard those rumors, but there is no foundation to them,"
he said. "Nobody has come to me and said, 'Barry, do you want
Brett Hull?' And frankly, there aren't many players in the league
I would trade Mr. Robitaille for.

"Right now I'm a little mad at him (Robitaille took three consecutive
penalties in Saturday's 5-5 tie with Montreal), but I think a lot
of him.

"He's like a son," Melrose said of Robitaille. "You love him, but once
in a while you have to kick him in the butt."

Robitaille, 26, has scored 40 or more goals in each of his six
seasons with the Kings and has been named a first- or second-team
all-star each year.

Melrose also made it clear he has no desire to include Blake in a
deal. The third-year defenseman, at age 23, quickly is becoming one
of the league's best

"Robbie is just a force. He single-handedly makes us a good defensive
team," the Kings coach said.

Melrose joked that he is just a "lowly coach trying to make a
living doing the best I can," but when it was suggested that he was
just a "lowly coach with no say in personnel matters," he got
serious for a second.

"On that deal I would," he said.

But wouldn't he love to have a great scorer like Hull?"

"Yeah," he said grinning. "If they put him on waivers, I would take him."
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: WJHC: Sweden-Finland
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:49:43 GMT


 1993 World Junior Hockey Championships Results, January 2:
 ==========================================================

 SWEDEN - FINLAND 9-2 (2-2,4-0,3-0)

 I missed the first half of the game because I was out skiing but anyway I
 saw Sweden go from 3-2 to 9-2 so obviously I saw the best part :-)

 It was the battle of the two teams' super-lines, Forsberg-Naslund-Sundstrom
 vs Lehtinen-Peltonen-Koivu (?). The first period was even, as the score
 indicates, and the lines scored two goals each.
 1st - FIN 0-1 Ville Peltonen 4    (Jere Lehtinen)                   0:27
       SWE 1-1 Niklas Sundstrom 8  (Daniel Johansson,Markus Naslund) 3:58 (pp)
       SWE 2-1 Peter Forsberg 5                                      5:46 (pp)
       FIN 2-2 Jere Lehtinen 5     (Jarmo Gronvall)                 17:19 (pp)

 2nd - SWE 3-2 Markus Naslund 11   (Peter Forsberg)                  0:23 (pp)
       SWE 4-2 Markus Naslund 12                                     8:30
 Naslund ties the record for most goals scored in one WJHC (Ruzicka and
 Bure with 12 goals also).

 The 5-2 goal is worth a special mention. Finland was having a 5 against
 3 (!!) players power play and a great chance to narrow the margin in the score.
 However, the puck was sent up towards the Finnish goal and a Finnish
 defenseman skated after it, after him skated Forsberg in a hurry. The Finnish
 defenseman discovered Forsberg, put on the breaks and tried to take out 
 Forsberg with the body. But Forsberg skated on and outmuscled the Finnish
 defenseman and stole the puck and put it in the top left corner. A beauty!
       SWE 5-2 Peter Forsberg 6                                     14:55 (sh)

 Peter Forsberg's power play specialty, standing behind the goal, faked a pass
 and skated around and put the puck by the near post.
       SWE 6-2 Peter Forsberg 7    (Markus Naslund,Fredrik Lindqvist) 17:55 (pp)

 3rd - SWE 7-2 Reine Rauhala 5     (Magnus Wernblom)                 2:32
       SWE 8-2 Kenny Jonsson 2     (Markus Naslund,Peter Forsberg)   3:36 
       SWE 9-2 Fredrik Lindqvist 4 (Niklas Sundblad,Mats Lindgren)  14:50

 Peter Forsberg scored 3 goals and 2 assists, beating an old record for
 most points scored in one WJHC. Raimo Helminen had the old record with
 24 points in 1984, but Forsberg now has 27 points (7 G + 20 A).

 Forsberg-Naslund-Sundstrom has now scored an amazing 60 points in 6 games.

 Penalties: Sweden 13*2min 1*10min, Finland 11*2min 1*5min game penalty
 Attendance: 5,398

 Staffan
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From: rstear@cad600.intel.com (Robert Stear )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Penguins Jersey.....help?!
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:45:44 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation,  Design Technology

Perhaps one of you out there might be able to help me with a
problem I'm having.......

My old Penguins jersey is starting to show it age and I would like
to get a new one. Easy enough, you say, just call and order one! I
wish it were that easy. The problem I am having is that I want the
old logo (skating penguin with hockey stick, not the old, old logo!),
not the new one......blech, aaack, phooey. However, all anyone seems
to carry is the new logo and I can't dig up an old logo anywhere.

Sigh.

So, to summarize, what I am looking for:

Authentic Penguins jersey with the old logo of the skating penguin
with the hockey stick. This would be an authentic, not one of the
cheesey replicas. Size must be at least XL (52).

Any leads appreciated.

Thanks,

Bob
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From: bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:38:28 GMT
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   Am I the only one frustrated with having to watch Moog night after
night sabotage the Bruins with his substandard performance? Sure, he's
good, but it's not enough to be merely good or excellent in the NHL,
you have to make impossible saves _and_ hold on to the rebound. Moog
seems to completely have lost his judgement; he gets trapped behind
the net, misses the puck, drops rebounds everywhere they shouldn't go,
rarely holds onto the puck after a save, lets players freely pass the
puck inside the crease, gets completely taken by surprise by 50-foot
well-advertised wristers, and generally fumbles.

   When any other player plays at such a substandard level, they're
dropped off to the minors, traded, or benched. Perhaps Moog could be a
temporary back-up someplace in the league, but I doubt it. He still
has some reputation, I say trade him now for younger goaltending
talent. Whatever, just take him off the goddamn ice! I'd rather see
Blue or someone else get a shot at it for the rest of the season than
further Moog performances. Without NHL-quality goaltending the Bruins
just won't play good hockey. The pointmen are scared to death of
getting caught too deep, on breakaways the lone defenseman has to try
to take away both the shot and the pass, and generally as soon as you
lose the puck you start panicking. The entire team gets butterflies:
misses passes, bouncing pucks, stops skating, and generally looks
backwards instead of forwards.

   The big difference between the B's right now and their first ten
games is the goaltending. Moog started the season reasonably well, not
too many fumbles (although he did get caught behind the net on several
occasions), but as time has progressed he has only slipped.

Stop blaming the defense -- get some goddamn quality goaltending!

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From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: What happened to the Bruins?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:56:28 GMT


With the exception of the Hartford game, the Bruins have given up either 5 or
6 goals in the last four games.  Since I now live in California, I don't get
to see many B's games.  Can someone tell me whether the defense is asleep, or
have Moog and Lemelin turned into the "Sieve Brothers?"  I apologized for the
Red Sox, Celtics, and Patriots seasons by claiming the Bruins would make up
for it.  Is Boston becoming the Rotten Sports capital of North America, or
what?
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From: dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson)
Subject: Re: puck in wrong net?
Organization: Communications Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:27:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.080653@cobra.calgary.chevron.com> vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.152836.29901@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, wizz@bnr.ca (Boris Volk) writes:
>|> In article <cfHMPbm00WBK81NWMi@andrew.cmu.edu>, Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>|> |> 
>|> |> I've seen old film clips of football players picking up fumbles and
>|> |> running the wrong way with the ball.  I know that in hockey players
>|> |> occasionally put the puck in their own net but it's always been a
>|> |> "quick" mistake around the goal mouth.  I was wondering if any player
>|> |> has actually skated in on his own goaltender and scored.  Has anyone
>|> |> ever seen this happen?
>|> |> 
>|> |> Mom.
>|> |> 
>|> |> 
>|>   I have seen two occasions that come close to your requirements;
>|>  
>|>  In the early 1980s Vancouver was playing in Toronto, Vancouver was nursing a
>|> one goal lead when they were called for icing. Vancouver won the draw and Thomas
>|> Gradin picked up the puck along the boards to the right of the faceoff dot. 
>|> Since he had his back to the blueline he chose to drive the puck around the glass
>|> behind his own net. Instead he drilled an impressive shot in the top corner of
>|> his own net. Needless to say, the Vancouver goalie couldn't believe what had
>|> happened.
>
>I believe the team Vancouver was playing was the Oilers. And if my memory serves
>me correct, the Oilers won in overtime.
>
>-- 
>D. Stew McLeod                                Internet: vstem@calgary.chevron.com

Just last night Montreal was playing in Hartford and Montreal took a delayed
penalty with the puck in the Montreal end. One of the Hartford players had the
puck near the goal line and passed the puck out to the point. But no one was
there to take it. In the meantime the Hartford goalie was skating to the bench
to allow the extra skater to get on. The puck went directly into the Hartford
net. Pretty funny!

Dave