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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.142447.522@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
> In article <71830@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> >I once had a few fellow pros over at my house, and I mentioned Usenet to
> >them.  They were interested in seeing it.  So I logged on and started
> >running through various headers.  Naturally the people involved wanted
> >to read about those headers that applied directly to their own work.
> >
> >The threads were, almost uniformly, vicious, sniping, mean-spirited and
> >arrogant.  

Sounds like the typical rec.arts.comics reaction to the typical Marvel
book.  :-/

> Would it be asking too much for some of the names of these people?

I don't know, it probably would be.  Although I've got a hunch that's
where Chris Claremont came up with his "no one in Usenet likes me"
line...
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From: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "idiot field" (Doomsday)
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:05:48 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <Bz6nEu.LJ5@cs.uiuc.edu>, wesselak@sunc0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
>>Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) says:
> 
>>>"Doomsday exudes an "idiot field" as his most potent power
> 
> Note:  This offense is completely useless against The Tick  :)

   The Tick vs. Doomsday......hmmmmm? Now that would be neat.
   "You can't hit me, I'm cat-like."

                                            -------Ollie
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: RAW MEDIA MAGS and Rebel Studios
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:35:55 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


I just bought RAW MEDIA MAGS #3 from Rebel Studios (Tim Vigil and David
Quinn's company), and I was just wondering if anyone besides me is
getting more than a little tired of Quinn and Vigil's holier-than-thou
attitude when it comes to comic books?

It seems like they want you to believe that their comics (unlike every
other comic made) are "art", and that it's okay that their books should
come out only once a year or so -- because it's art, whereas if a comic
book came out more often than that, then obviously it couldn't be a
"true creative effort" and it's going to be crap.  In RMM #3 alone they
have two text pages devoted to whining about how stupid, ignorant and
lacking in taste comics readers are (their rationale, besides the
holograms and gimmicks, seems to boil down to the feeling that not
enough people buy their comics).  It especially bothers me that they'd
want to get on their soapbox on their own comic, seeing as the people
who will be reading it are obviously people who DO buy their comcs.

It's not as if the art, story and presentation of Rebel Studios comics
is that much superior to every single other thing on the market, because
that's just not the case.  Marvel has plenty of people who can turn out
art on a monthly basis that looks a lot better than the art Tim Vigil's
brother Joe turns out.  And Tim himself has a lot of artistic problems.
Still, they seem to want to set themselves up like the martyr-saviors of
the industry.  Either you buy their comics or the whole industry is
going down the toilet, that seems to about sum up the opinion.

Most of their beef seems to come from the fact that they're getting sick
of people who come up to them saying that they're starting to get tired
of waiting for a new issue to come out.  Fair enough -- there's no law
that says a comic has to come out every month, or on a regular schedule
at all.  But surely Quinn and Vigil must realize that the only thing
that keeps their business alive while they're not putting out comics are
all the other comics that are getting put on the shelves while theirs
aren't?  If it wasn't for the fact that there are plenty of other comics
out there to buy, high-quality or no, then who would be walking into
comic stores month after month looking for issues of FAUST?

I dunno -- it just strikes me that they're doing a lot of whining, and
very little creating of these great comics they say they're all about.
In the meantime, we get FAUST trading cards that are nothing but a buch
of over-reduced panels from the comics with no information on the backs.
Every now and then we get a reprint of older issues; that's good for
those of us whose collections are not yet complete.  But no new comics.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?
From: silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Flash 73:  SPOILERS!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:12:25 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec17.060628.9699@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned this yet.
>
>In the issue of The Flash which hit the shelves today (#73), we have the 
>apparent return of the one, the only...

^L

>
>Barry Allen!
>
>Consider:
>
>Barry's got time travel powers.  He could conceivably show up here, now, or
>anywhen, without problem.  My guess is that Barry has returned to the 20th
>century from the 30th century.  He could stay as long as he wanted, and then
>could return with none the wiser. 

However... Since he is fated to die (as you noted) and would eventually have to
return to the 30th century (and the pre-Crisis 30th century, at that), DC
continuity is about to achieve critical inconsistency if you're correct...
-- 
Jolyon A. Silversmith __________________________________________________________
Mather House 100             Director: Civil Liberties     These opinions aren't
Cambridge, MA 02138          Union of Harvard  College     necessarily  those of
silvers3@husc.harvard.edu ________________________________ CLUH.  But who knows?
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From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:20:52 GMT

In article <1giur4INNj4t@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham) writes:
>
>Apparently not.  This is from "Hellblazer" #59, page 23:
>
>  Ellie: ``They say that he'd been there since creation began, that he
>           was first to BE, and the Redeemer threw him out of heaven
>           for daring to think for HIMSELF...  Lucifer had been the
>           greatest of the archangels, and HE could never match such
>           power. . .but the Morningstar is GONE. . .and now there NO
>           ONE in HIS way...''
>

I think you're misreading this.  To me, it says that "Satan" could
never match "such power" (that of the greatest of the archangels, Lucifer).
-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kyle Baker is black!!  Wow!! (was Re: Black artists...)
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:53:33 GMT
Organization: Interleaf

In article <a70O02.y2ec101@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.215424.12069@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>>Having a copy of this thing's better than having a personal organ bank.
>
>Yeah, but do you have a copy of the novelization of "Buckaroo Bonzai"?

Yes.

Bidding starts at a spleen and a colon.

"What do any of us want, Mr. Shelley? A decent standard of living, a little
respect, a quarter ton of chocolate mousse." --Mister Nobody
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: mikecap@weierstrass.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Creation of rec.arts.comics.sandman replies
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:57:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: weierstrass.wpi.edu

In article <1992Dec17.190940.7273@news.nd.edu> mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
> mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:
>
>[discussion about a rac.vertigo]
>
>|> popular right now.  How many "Death of Superman" posts have there been 
>|> recently?  Not too many since it's no longer an issue.  When Sandman is 
>|> cancelled or loses popularity, the same will happen there.  I just don't see 
>|> why we should go to the trouble and waste more space.
>
>Your argument about misc is the one that always comes up when a group 
>decides to split. If there is enough traffic on another topic, then a new
>newsgroup should be created. (like rac.xbooks). There should be no doubt in
>anyone's mind that there is enough traffic for rac.vertigo. Topics like
>classic Swamp Thing stories, Sandman speculations, Books of Magic questions,
>Doom Patrol analysis, great Constantines of the past would all fit in a 
>rac.vertigo.
>

This is not a flame, but the reason why this argument always comes up is 
because it makes sense.  Where is r.a.c.Image?  How about r.a.c.Independants?
These groups don't exist because there is no call for them - they are fads, and
so is the new vertigo trend.  Just add to your killfile if you don't want to 
read it, it will go away soon enough.

>-- 
>+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
>+                                                                           +
>+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
>+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +

Mike C. (Zen)

-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Egyptian Gods and Comics (was Re: ANIA Statement...)
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:40:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.215726.20277@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:

>This is getting real far away from comics though.  Are there any good 
>comics that deal seriously with Egyptian religion and culture?

	_The Cartoon History of the Universe_ (by Larry Gonick) Volume 3
(and a bit in 4 and the later volumes) does a good overview of
ancient Egyptian mythology and history.  Actually, the series as a
whole is a pretty good survey of ancient history for a comic, though
to be honest comics aren't really the best medium for history IMHO.

	And, the example everyone and his duck will come up with
immediately (but why shouldn't I do it too?)-- _Sandman_, the Element
Girl issue and (to a lesser extent) "Season of Mists".

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)
From: efox@unssun.nevada.edu (Eric Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bibbowski and Sooperman
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:56:01 GMT
Reply-To: efox@unssun.UUCP (Eric Fox)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno


 cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:

>





>



>In the pre-Crisis adventures, Superman met a sailor who, due to eating
>irradiated seaweed, became super-strong for a while.  This sailor wore a
>captain's cap, had one squinty eye and a large chin, and had large forearms.
>He was, of course, a Popeye-analog, and his name was "Captain Strong".
>
Hey!!!!!!   I remember Captain Strong!!!!  Gee--after the crisis ALL of 
DC's good characters were eliminated!!!!  :-)

				-Fox-


>(If they can bring back Giant Turtle Olsen, why not?)
>
>
>
>-- 
>Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
>
>Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
>Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:33:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:

>3)  Every comic that existed in the real world exists in the New Universe.
>If Quasar had bothered, he could have found out many, many secrets and 
>secret identities, just from reading some comics.  They say this right out

This brings to mind part of my "Grand Theory of the Marvel Comics Omniverse" (tm)
which *someday* I would like to submit to Gruenwald/Sanderson(of Marvel
Index fame).

To wit: Comics published in the Marvel Universe *are* the same as comics
published here (or the NU, for that matter).

MU: characters need to have their identities protected, so the
names are changed.  That's why all the characters have names like Grimm,
Storm, Strange, Stark, Rogers, Richards, etc.
Here/NU: comic book writers just make up names for characters. That's why
all the characters have names like Grimm, Storm, Strange, Stark, Rogers, etc.

MU: comic book writers are hired to "juice up" events that really happened.
Some less interesting adventures may be passed up in order to keep stories more "current", or older stories may be flashed back to in order to
fill gaps between adventures.  Some writers may even make up "personal"
stuff about relationships and whatnot, so readers can relate.
Here/NU: comic book writers write comic books.

MU: comic book events tend to fall behind characters adventures (creating
a sizeable backlog). Thus there is a time-lag between what the character *does* and when it shows up in comic books.
Here/NU: comic book writers get stuck with "Marvel Time" passing *very*
slowly!

Think about it!
(There's more to my "Grand Theory ...", but I don't have time to write it
right now...)
			James Willer
[this space for rent]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: mjl17@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Michael Lush)
Subject: How Many Mutants?
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: U. of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:52:13 GMT


	Does anyone have a rough idea of the frequency of latent mutants
on marvel Earth.

	I'm planing to run a Marvel Superheros game in which someone 
trys to give every latent mutant in the world uncontrolled Class 3000 
(ie Celestial class) powers,  as part of a plot to become an 
Elder of the Universe,  (well one of the rules appears to be you must 
be the last suvivor of your race....  are there any other rules? :-)

Thanks

-- 
Michael

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NPC rights activist           |      Nameless Abominations are people too.


Great fights that should never happen Number 27:-

	 Madderson Jefferies vs Colossus
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: DC AIDS PSAs
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:49:18 GMT

In the last several weeks, DC has done a number of one-page public
service ads about AIDS featuring various DC heroes.  These have
appeared in both DC comics and in other Time/Warner magazines (I first
saw them in Entertainment Weekly)  So far I've seen:
Robin and Alfred, as drawn by the Robin miniseries people,
John Stewart, as drawn by Pat Broderick,
Flash--who drew this one??
	Any others that I've missed?

Also, the vertigo titles this month have a 6 page Gaiman/Mckean 
"Death Talks About Life" giving more detail for the "mature readers"  
specified on the cover.  Very well handled; I recommend reading it.
[The cover of the book (in this case, Shade 32) mentions the special
insert.]

Hopefully, this will inform some people who miss other messages.
I also hope that DC won't get in any trouble with "morality groups"
for aiming such information at kids...
-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<---------------
   Do not meddle in the affairs	    |  Usenet is like Tetris for people
   of cats, for they are subtle     |  who still remember how to read.
   and will piss on your computer.  |	  So many newsgroups, so little time...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Summary: Help stamp out the crossover disease.
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:30:53 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Dec16.010401.28538@udel.edu> mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) writes:
>In article <BzBr8p.Fyo@news.udel.edu> krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski) writes:
>>
>>Only if they seal off the New Universe for good.  That's all I ask.
>
>I don't mind so much as long as we get some good stories out of it,
>personally.
>Mick 

Oh Mick, I could rant on this for hours.  But I'll spare you and just mention
a couple of things.  

1) I don't mind leakage in ONE direction.  The Brand and one lousy antibody
may make Quasar still more interesting.  That's okay by me.

2) The New Universe was intended to be "the world outside your window".  Then
they introduce a few, a very few, science fiction concepts carefully, just the
ones they want.  The idea was to simulate how real people would react to
superhero situations.  The people of the DC Universe have seen superhero action
since WW II, and for the Marvel Universe, since 1963, approximately.  (No
flames here for inaccuracies please -- I'm making a general point that the 
general populaces are jaded to otherworldly things.)  Any intrusion of weird
people from the Marvel Universe is bound to destroy this mood.  (Just one
appearance from Quasar won't make any difference since no one believed
where he was from anyway.)  I'm afraid I'm not expressing this very well, so
just skip to my next reason...

3)  Every comic that existed in the real world exists in the New Universe.
If Quasar had bothered, he could have found out many, many secrets and 
secret identities, just from reading some comics.  They say this right out
loud in Quasar #31; the Watcher, for example, is only a comic book character 
there.  (The reason that no one had ever heard of Quasar in the New Universe
is that there, Marvel Comics went out of business right after the Pitt.
(Bwah ha haaaaaaaaa  |-1 )  But I hope you can see the how impossibly
ludicrous any further NU-MU crossovers would be.

	Of course I am in favor of good stories.  But do you really think
that meeting the X-Men is going to improve D.P.7?  I don't.
	I've written letters to Gruenwald and (what's-her-name, his editor)
and DeFalco, telling them so.  If you understand what I'm saying here, and
you agree, then you should too.  Sigh.  I'm too tired to start a letter
writing campaign.
	Please reply by e-mail.  I'm leaving the Net until January 3rd.

				-Slippery Jim

**********************************************************************
"The reason the universe is so hard to comprehend is that
 there's nothing to compare it with."       -author unknown
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.041304.24069@engr.LaTech.edu>, wfuller@latech.edu (William G. Fuller) writes:
> I have a comic trivia question that I hope someone can answer.  Yes,
> it's a question from a subscription company and yes I could win
> something with the correct answer, assuming my name is drawn.  But
> seeing as how I've gotten the answers right for the last 6 months
> and have won nothing it's doubtful. 

Regardless, I expect my share of the prize, if any.

> In what film was the question posed, "If Superman and Might Mouse
> got into a fight who would win?"

STAND BY ME.  But the really interesting part was the answer:
	"Superman, of course!  Mighty Mouse is a cartoon, and real
	 life always beats cartoons."  (paraphrased)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Professional Comic Opinion Wanted -- PAD, if you're out the
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:29:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>> And if you can, hop a train in mid-January and come up to New York for the
>> Fred Greenberg convention being held at the Javits Center.  More artists and
>> editors there than you'll know what to do with.
>>
>> PAD

UH OH.  JAVIT'S CENTER?  Why was it moved from the Ramada?  Man, this really
ruins my plans.  I had the train deal all worked out...

-- 

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|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do  -Perry Farrell |     1       |
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Bagging Pre-bagged comics
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:52:51 GMT

Here's an idea:

Go to a clean environment (computer chip manufacturers, labs, hospital
operating theaters, conservation labs at museums/libraries).  Wearing an
environmental suit (so as not to affect the humidity), carefully open the bag.
Transfer the original, recyclable bag to a mylar bag.  Remove excess air and
seal.  Attach a note to the outside of the bag listing the conditions it was 
sealed under.  This will make future conservation of the bag easier.  Remove
the comic and other contents (trading cards, posters, air fresheners, etc) and 
place each in a seperate mylar bag.  Again, make a note on the outside of each 
bag.  Do not, I repeat, DO NOT read the comic book, as this will cause wear on 
the cover.  Store all mylar bags in a vault with an atmosphere of Argon, and 
acceptable levels of humidity.  If you wish to read the comic, buy a copy from 
the quarter box, or borrow a friend's copy.

This is not meant to be sarcastic.  I just think the whole bagged issue is 
somewhat questionable, and that speculation is killing the spirit of collecting
comics.

The most valuable comic book in my collection?  A copy of Spidey Super Stories
#5, in Very Good condition.  It was the first comic book I read by myself, and 
I keep it in Mylar.  And I do reread every so often.

Remember, shrink wrap keeps on shrinking.

Don't bagged comics have a different cover than the regular editions?

BTW, I bought a bagged copy of Superman #75, and I opened it to read the nifty
obituary.  Same with Shadow of the Bat and Ren and Stimpy.  And I read every 
comic that I buy.  And I buy multiple copies not to sell, but to give away to 
people so that they might become interested in comics as well.  

Puck was right.

Torsten Adair		torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu
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