From: carroll@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Stereotyping
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:10:57 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <11838@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <omjuig4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>> In article <11785@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>> >Straight society makes its disapproval of S&M, TVs, and heterosexual
>> >child molesters very clear.  Gay society can't seem to do that,
>> >for some reason.
>> 
>> Thank you clayton, for illustrating my point so well.
>> 
>> Clayton lumps S&M, Transvesticism and child molestation into one category.
>> Remember my "first they came for NAMBLA" posting?
>> 
>> This is why we defend NAMBLA's right to exist.
>> 
>> Now, clayton...  I engage in consensual S&M.  What is wrong with this?
>> 
>> FWA
>
>Nothing's wrong with it -- it just illustrates my point -- that 
>homosexuality isn't just a different sexual preference, but a group
>of pathological problems, not all of which are shared by every
>homosexual.
>
>The current flamefest started when I posted one of Le JoJo's 
>S&M postings from soc.motss.  I made the point that S&M and other
>manifestations of pain, suffering, humiliation, and other types
>of power games, makes me suspect that I'm right about the connection
>between child molestation and adult homosexuality.  This may surprise
>you, but MOST people don't have sex and pain or sex and domination
>conflated.  Yet, it seems to be a big part of the homosexual 
>lifestyle.  Why?

Clayton, try wandering over to alt.sex and alt.sex.stories. You'll
find dozens upon dozens of stories and descriptions of S&M, bondage,
and child molestation told by straight adults like you and me. 

There are certainly sick homosexuals who abuse children. There are
also sick heterosexuals who abuse children. Why do you choose to focus
on ONLY the heterosexual child abusers?

I don't for a minute believe your claim that child abuse is at the
core of your homophobia. In your fierce and vicious hatred of
homosexuals, you trivialize the brutal reality of child abuse:
children are abused in all ways by all sorts of people. Children are
abused by straights, gays, and bis, by men and by women.

The ONLY way to truly combat child abuse is by working against ALL
child abusers. Not just the gay ones, not just the child abusers that
belong to some particular group that you've chosen to hate.

Some of the dearest people in the world to me - both friends and
family - have been abused sexually. In _every_ case, the abuse was
done by straight men, who everyone thought were fine, upstanding
examples of responsible citizens. Assholes like you pretend that that
kind of abuse doesn't happen, when it fact it represents the
_majority_ of incidences of sexual abuse.

You waste so much time and effort on this crap that it's amazing you
have time for anything else. But you still have yet to provide _any_
evidence of _any_ kind that gays are more likely to abuse children
than straights. Your attempts at evidence thus far have consisted of
culling posts from soc.motss. But if I spent the time to work through
the straight posts on alt.sex.*, I could find as many messages
describing straights engaging in child abuse, S&M, bondage, and just
about any other sexual practice that gays engage in.

	<MC>
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|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     || "Humanity isn't a physical description,
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| it's a spiritual goal. It's not something
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || you're given, it's something you earn."
|| carroll@udel.edu             || 	- _One_, by Richard Bach
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