HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 14:19:46 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Daniel Keren also sees ARF as a liar...

In article <By0x5J.20s@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) says:
>Well, that's all very nice but unrelated to my contention that I never
>boycotted Kosher food.  Debating the usefulness and doing it are two
>entirely different things.
>
>You were just looking for another opportunity to wave you antisemite flag but
>as usual you look like as ass for doing it.
>
>js
>

Oh thank you Lord!!!!!  The blasted idiot opens his mouth and once again, his
complete and utter lack of intelligence has his brain popping out from the
back of his throat like a hairball.  Get this straight Mr. Aryan...

I WAS ATTACKING YOU FOR PROPOSING A BOYCOTT OF KOSHER FOODS!!!
I was stomping all over you lack of remembering such a stupid and infantile
thing as proposing a boycott of kosher foods for the purposes of showing
solidarity to the Palestinians (a noble cause, yet perverted into some
no-brained mouthings by the ARF-meister), when the effects of it would do
nothing but harm the American food industry, which produces predominantly
kosher foods, and the millions of Jews and Muslims in America who adhere to
the kosher diet, or others who adhere to it for health reasons.

But then, if Jack can't even keep his stories straight, nor can't get
it straight about likening Martin Luther King Jr, whose only crime was
adultery, with David Duke, whose only crime is bigotry, then his supposedly
intellectual points about any of these subjects, and countless others, are
as inanely laughable as David Duke himself.

Have fun with immortality Jack.  You're too stupid to be allowed in either
heaven or hell, but too big-mouthed for oblivion.

Doug.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60890 sci.psychology:4454
From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Politics and Personality Type (was Re: Why????)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,sci.psychology
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:08:20
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu
In-reply-to: riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil's message of 19 Nov 92 02:20:23 GMT

In article <1564@tecsun1.tec.army.mil> riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:
>In article <1ec2nuINNl8m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.) writes:
>>
>>>In article <1jNTn1#2hOQHF17YOtt1z6kKQ0ZGhlK=esr@snark.thyrsus.com> esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:

>>>>I think you're dead on target.  This agrees with my own observations, and
>>>>the NT/libertarian correlation is one I had noticed previously.
>>
>>Does the N have more to do with the libertarianism than the T?
>>I consider myself to be libertarian, although not completely--I'm sort of a
>>democratic socialist libertarian, et al.

>As noted before,
>libertarians do not have a lock on the NT orientation, although I suspect
>INTJ is libertarian country.

I agree that not all NTs are libertarians, but my guess is all sorts
of NTs are libertarian -- with the introverted NTs being more
theoretically/ideologically oriented and the extraverted NTs being
more pragmatic and interested in real-world political/economic systems.

>But INTP (the architect) is a natural "statist",
>if the state becomes the vessel for his designs.

Agreed, an INTP could be a statist -- or a libertarian or a
conservative or a liberal.  It all depends on what he chooses to
design...

>I strongly suspect that
>our President-elect is INTP, VERY INTP.

Nah -- I think he's a classic ESTP.  Clinton's clearly extraverted, as
the debates with (ISTJ?) Bush and (clear ENTJ) Perot demonstrated, and
I think he's more interested in playing and winning the political game
than in implementing any far-reaching vision.  On the other hand, I'm
sure he has plenty of INTPs among his advisors...
--
_______________________________________________________________________________

Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University
yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science
_______________________________________________________________________________

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.usage.english,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american
From: michaels@psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Line item veto
Keywords: Does Foley read talk.politics?
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:40:07 GMT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US

A while back, during the perennial discussion of line-item vetoes,
various people suggested a compromise to the effect that the
line-item veto could be overridden by a simple majority as distinct
from 2/3.

Thus, the president would have an instrument for cutting pork without
giving free reign to only cutting partisan pork.

At any rate, Foley proposed that the line-item veto Clinton requested
for budgets be overridable by a simple majority.  Dare we hope that
good ideas discussed in these virtual halls actually have ears in
high places??

Clinton said he would consider it.  I hope he does.




-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"No Blood for Oil!" ?  But Blood is a renewable resource, Oil isn't!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott)
Subject: Lurkers Here's your chance -- Post by Mail
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:38:00 GMT

Some of you are just itching to have a say, well here's how.

There are daemons at various places which will relay your
email (properly addressed) onto the usenet groups. It doesn't
work for all, you need to try, and sometimes it's almost
instant turnaround, other times you have to wait as much as
a day or two. (Just depends on loading at the site and the
weather.) 

{ Also, for info on such matters, see news.answers. }

As a test, try emailing to alt.test to see if you have it figured 
out:

	alt-test@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

Yes, go look at alt.test to see if it worked (be patient).

Note the dash where the *NEWSGROUP* dots go. You'll get a nasty-gram
from the server if you mess up the address. Or try...

	alt-test@cs.utexas.edu

And when you're ready:

	talk-politics-misc@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

I don't guarantee anything. Try it and find out. And see news.answers for
more info.


Need something to post about:

-= HUD Scam, Defense Spending Scam, S&L Scam
-= Social Security Lies, Gramm-Rudman Lies, No-New-Taxes Lies
-= $4.1 Trillion Dollar Debt, No cuts in overall spending, Nor borrowing
-= $1.5 Trillion Dollar Budget, $290 B borrowed last year, $320 in '93
-= 93% incumbents returned to congress -- All Democrats and Republicans
-= It's not a "tax," it's "investment"
-= Workday Elections, Registration instead of Right, Incumbent Advantage
-= Ballot Access Restriction, Gerrymandered Districts, Numbered Districts
-= Electoral College, Winner take all Elections, 43 Million "won"
-= Parties and Media deliver bland and spineless Presidential Candidates
-= The Iron Triangle: Congress, Lobbies, and The Bureaucracy
-= Surplus Social Security "invested" in Treasury Notes
-= Biggest Military in History, and during a time of Peace
-= Defending Germany, Japan, Persian Gulf -- as mercenaries
-= Every dollar lost in taxes should have been in a family savings account
-= State and Local Government Debt nearing Federal Debt in size
-= America de-industrialized, China and Taiwan each have a trade surplus
-= Education designed to filter-out people, rather than enable
-= Welfare designed to make folks dependent, rather than empowered
-= Television and Media-Entertainment used as an electronic-drug
-= Massive consumption, use of credit, and minimum savings encouraged
-= Intellectualism & Taxism exclude common folk, ie. sanctioned prejudice 
-= Alcohol and Tobacco have Government Sanction, and often subsidy
-= Those who died by drugs & sex promoted, Real courage disdained

And this just goes on and on and on. Mainly because you keep allowing
your time to be traded away for government tokens and corporate junk.

In good conscience -- I can't support a corrupt society -- so the
only sane choice is to quit. 

-= Time for Exodus =-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Term Limits
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:46:54 GMT

[Note the "Followup-To" redirect(s) to talk.politics.misc].

In article <1992Nov10.040046.29049@anasazi.com>, 
john@anasazi.com said:

> > No term limits means that you can re-elect the guy if he's not a
> > bozo.  If the guy is a bozo, then you just vote him out. What's so
> > hard about that? I'll tell you, it means the voters have to take
> > responsibility.  [Bri Farenell]
>
> No, let me tell you. It is the advantages of incumbency. The
> incumbent can use your tax dollars and mine to make himself look
> like the best candidate. Furthermore, with the seniority system, the
> longer you keep him in office, the better able he is to bring home
> pork to your state at the expense of other states. Term limits help
> even out the playing field.

I disagree... term limits merely ban one player from the playing
field; there is no leveling effect.

If you think that the current system is riddled with abuses, the
proper solution is to put forth, and support, proposals which reduce
or eliminate those abuses.<*>  Term limits don't do that; all they do
is take away from the voters the right to cast a valid vote for the
candidate of their choice.  That isn't democracy.

<*>For example: A line-item veto and/or mandatory procedural rules of
   legislation that make it more difficult for unrelated laws and
   appropriations to be tacked together on the same bill.  The
   abolition of the franking privilege.  The overhaul of the senority
   system.  The removal of any and all ballot-access barriers.  Laws
   regarding the use of taxpayers' money for personal or campaign
   purposes, with a permanent Independent Prosecutor and staff -- with
   teeth -- to enforce it.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ckincy@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Subject: Re: Compensation for Gays Ousted from Government Employ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:09:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <Bxxt6I.92v@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <1ee61lINNt7@talon.UCS.ORST.EDU> Monte Olsen <olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu> writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov18.033059.18007@Princeton.EDU> Jr.
>>Frank W. Elliott, elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes:
>>
>>>There are more than a few cases of people
>>>who claim to have discovered their orientation after signing
>>>up with the military.
>>
>>You are absolutely right about that, and I apologize for
>>overlooking them. However, what does that do to the
>>argument that a person is born gay? That sexual
>>orientation is determined at birth? 
>
>I don't know.  What does it do to that argument?  I didn't like
>broccoli, not so long ago.  I do now.  What does that say about
>whether or not I was born with a distaste for broccoli?

Well, I know *I've* liked broccoli ever since I could remember.
And I doubt I could ever dislike broccoli.  So whether I was born
that way isn't really relevant, is it?  :)

cpk
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:61048 alt.politics.elections:24179 alt.rush-limbaugh:10066 talk.rumors:1351 alt.activism:19039
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.rumors,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:39:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Nov18.001238.28626@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>I *still* haven't figured out what Anita Hill's motive for lying would
>have been.  

How about any of the following:

1) She's crazy
2) She was jealous
3) political power (Head of the EEOC?)
4) money ($10,000 per speech)
5) didn't want a conservative black on the court

How many possibilities do you need?

Ted



-- 
"We will bury you! We will bury you! We will bury you!"
      - some ex-Soviet leader            
                   krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:61453 misc.legal:20342
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Advisory Opinions (was: LBJ's anti-nepotism law)
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:02:32 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.232131.8881@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> here are some states, such
> as Massachusetts, where the Supreme Court of the state may offer advisory
> opinions on pending legislation.

Alabama, too, I think.  The cases are captioned "Opinion of the Justices".

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60632 alt.politics.elections:24064 alt.rush-limbaugh:9901 talk.rumors:1326 alt.activism:18924
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Clinton: Infrastructure Improvements?
Organization: LLNL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:33:03 GMT

In article <9211162312.AA08211@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu ("Broward " Apathy " Horne") writes:

: AQctually, what Bill Clinton was saying was that our infrastructure
: is crumbling, there are few to no public transportation systems, and
: the options you have of travelling inter city is car, bus or plane.
: He just decided to take some of that surplus and make some long overdue
: infrastructure improvements.         ^^^^^^^

	What "surplus" is that?

	Well, there _is_ Amtrak, and some cities do have rail-transit
systems, but all these need serious improvement and expansion.

>        Surplus?!  What surplus?  What, the surplus in my pocket to
>        be surgically removed through toll roads and increased gas
>        taxes?   Oh.

	But let's say we have a road that has enough potholes to start
looking like the surface of the Moon. Who is the one to fix it? And
who's going to pay for it? Any do-it-yourself road builders out there?

	Whining "I don't want to pay any taxes" won't help.

	And if taxation is not the way to raise money, then what is?
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Dumb PC joke... (was Anita Hill to Head EEOC)
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:41:48 GMT
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93


In article <By1JBE.C8y@news.udel.edu>, 
roby@brahms.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) said:

> And now for a joke....
>
> What does the gender-neutral dictionary call the old occupation of
> "mailman"?
>
> Answer: "personperson".

No, no, no!  Don't you know that "son" is a sexist repressive
patriarchal term?  The correct answer is "perchildperchild".  :-)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Misogyny gay and straight
Keywords: hippocrapy
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:34:32 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <102456@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
> In article <13217@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> GWS:
# ## And if you want to find a misogynist, look in a mirror.
# ## 
# ##      Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
# 
# #No, I'm a "homophobe" not a misogynist.  (My wife would be quite
# #amused by your characterization).
# 
# Clayton's not a misogynist, but a sexist. And homoophobia/heterosexism
# and misogyny are the extremes of two different paths from that original
# sexism.

Bullshit, as usual.

# He agrees with the notorious sexist, Marilyn Quayle, that a woman is not
# totally fulfilled unless she is a full-time homemaker.

I've never said that, because I don't believe it.  You are, as usual,
just another lying homosexual.

# Brian


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors.  But that would
be unfair -- to the sailors.  They, at least, are spending their own money.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60614 alt.politics.elections:24054 misc.legal:20076
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Judicial Branch
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:06:39 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Nov16.104906.22155@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, 
wr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (william e raftery) writes:
> On top of which, in Article III the Congress also has the power to limit
> thecases the Supreme Court can hear when pertaining to certain laws. Though
> I am far from a scholar, I seem to remember a case in the 1860's in which
> Congress basically put on a bill "The Supreme Court may not hear any case
> relating to this law". 

Humph!  Jurisdictional gerrymandering.  Technically legal in most cases, but 
still suspect, IMHO.

There've also been suggestions that where a jurisdictional gerrymander 
interferes with the Court's core functions or an individual's fundamental 
rights, it would be unconstitutional.  These theories, of course, have not 
been tested.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60321 alt.politics.homosexuality:7257
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:05:59 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Nov20.215536.26990@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:

|>In article <1992Nov20.191113.21048@col.hp.com> dag@col.hp.com (David Geiser) writes:
|>>
|>> Isn't it funny how Jesus was so peaceful and Christians are so pushy?

|>    Yup.  It's also interesting that the "Christian" 'phobes keeping citing
|>Old Testament stuff in supposed support of their hatred.  I'm no bible
|>scholar, but isn't the thing that distinguishes OT from NT that JC was born
|>in between?  Thus, to "Christians", wouldn't the NT be a lot more relevant
|>than older Jewish writings?  Even though homosexuality isn't mentioned in
|>the NT (as far was I'm aware)?

The OT was included in the bible more as background material than anything
else.  Several times Christ says that he has come to free the people from
the Law (OT).
There are a number of christians who base their opinions on material found
in the OT, but you will find stupid people in any large group.

There are several passages in some of St. Pauls writings that have been
interpreted as being anti-homosexual.  I am not enough of a scholar to
argue whether or not the interpretations are valid.

-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,ca.politics
Subject: Re: For Those Who Think That Gay Men Have Changed Their Behavior
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:04:50 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <13326@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.163642.17801@cs.ucla.edu>, bigoldberg@igc.apc.org (Billi Goldberg) writes:
>#                        AIDS Daily Summary
>#                        November 19, 1992 
># ************************************************************************
>#  "Almost One-Third of Gay Men in Study Admit to Unprotected Anal 
># Intercourse" Washington Post (11/19/92), P. A2 

How does this compare to the change in heterosexual bahaviour?

Huh?
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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.rumors,alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Why are women paid less? (was Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Hmmm, I'm not so sure.  I can't speak about minimum wage families, but
>my brother who works for Mobil is the single earner in his family -
>it's non-trivial, but they're doing it.

Well, good for him. Of course, that situation is a luxury for many families.

>In addition, I took a women's studies course back when I was in school
>and we got to discussing the 5 or so reasons why women make 68 cents on
>the dollar compared to men.  Two of the 5 are a) a woman on average
>will be out of the workforce about 6 years per child while she has kids
>AND she does it at the worst possible time between the ages of 25-35
>when men are building their careers and b) women are perceived as being
>less reliable than men because they will place their kids/family above
>their career and men tend to do the reverse.
> 
>I discussed this with the Prof. after class one day and got her to
>admit that these could be the 2 main reasons for the $0.38 gap -
>however, she continued to assert in class that it was discrimination
>that held women down.

Brendan, you just shot your argument in the foot. The second reason you cited-
the perception that women will "take the money and run" to start families 
instead of staying with the company for the longhaul-is a perception and
perceptions are the basis of discrimination. Has anyone done any research to see
how true it actually is? And would anybody apply the same logic to men, about 
whom it may be equally true?

>While I've worked at Novell-Austin I've had 3 bosses, all women.  From
>my personal experience, I can't see any obvious discrimination, on
>Novell's or my part.

Well, good for you. I'm not accusing you in particular of anything, just speak-
ing in general terms.


							Daniel Case
						v140pxgt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

	"America is one of the few places in the world where failure to promote
	oneself is widely regarded as being arrogant."-Garry Trudeau.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc