From: jmz1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Joe)
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:04:22 GMT

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

>In article <jmz1.721517230@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> jmz1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Joe) writes:
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>>Ahhhhh, look who is giving us lectures about the rights of minorities.
>>Wasn't the main reason why Slovenia seceded from Yugoslavia (setting
>>off this bloody civil war) the perceived "danger" from "Serbian hegemony"?
>>You were a MINORITY in Yugoslavia, and yet you gave yourselves the right 
>>to shoot 19-year old conscripts for your "independence". Now, when
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>>somebody raises the same issue but with roles reversed, you give us
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>>this puppy talk about the rights of "minorities".
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>It says alot when you consider minority rights "puppy talk".  Karadzic,
>Milosevic, and co. think the same.
>

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   Mr. Blazic strikes again !!!!!!
   
   You have given us here one more brilliant example how the  newly-
   composed  Croatian  "democrats"  of your type like to twist other
   people's words to accomplish a goal on their agenda.  If  it  was
   only that that you were twisting it wouldn't be so tragic.
   
   Soooo, you see only a Miloshevic or a Karadzic in a  Serb,  don't
   you  ???   I personally would have prefered if you compared me to
   D. Mihajlovic, but what can I do ... it was your call.
   
   Postings on USENET are on the record. So, take another look at my
   statement (I underlined it - just for you).
   
   Where do you see in that sentence that I consider minority rights
   "puppy talk" ? Read it again .... and again !!! If you do, you'll
   find out that it was Mr.  brodnik's  interpretation  of  minority
   rights  that deserved that qualification, not minority rights per
   se.

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>BTW, if you can't see the difference between shooting at official
>soldiers (their age being no issue, please get real) attacking in tanks,
>and pulverizing entire civilian centres and massacring masses of people
>of the "wrong" ethnic group, then you are out to lunch.
>
>Regarding "Serbian hegomony", recall that there were 8 votes in the
>former Yugoslav Presidency.  Answer this question: how many votes
>did Serbia control?  Just answer the question.
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   Prior to 1989, ONE !!!! The other 7  votes  were  controlled  by:
   Croatia,  Slovenia,  Bosnia & Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro,
   autonomous region of Kosovo (by ethnic Albanians) and  autonomous
   region  of  Vojvodina  (by everybody else but the Serbs who lived
   there). Don't ask me how come that the two "autonomous provinces"
   of  Serbia  had the status of federal units when they were "only"
   constitutive regions within Serbia. This contraption was  an  in-
   vention  of  one of the "greatest" Croats of all times Josip Broz
   Tito and his Slovene comrade Edvard Kardelj who decreed the  1974
   communist constitution. This "constitution" increased ethnic ten-
   sions beyond the point of  no-return  in  former  Yugoslavia,  by
   playing  one ethnic group against the others (a good prescription
   for a tyrant to stay in power I might add).
   
   Now let's do some simple math. Serbs comprised 45 % of the  popu-
   lation of Yugoslavia and yet they controlled only 1/8 = 12.5 % of
   federal votes. Note: 12.5 << 45 % !! So, WHAT is your point ????
   
   By the way, the term "Serbian hegemony" was invented  by  commun-
   ists  (The Commintern) in the interwar period as a weapon against
   Serbian "imperialism" (Yugoslavia was a  kingdom  based  on  free
   market economy before your compatriot Tito came to power).
   
   I wouldn't be proud of myself if I had to  use  such  red-stained
   arguments.

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>>So here we have the conclusion: Serbs are arrogant (or worse) when they 
>>claim the "right for self-determination". I guess the only thing that can 
>
>Please explain how this legitimate right to self-determination nullifies
>the right to remain alive being a non-Serb behind Serbian lines.  Keep
>in mind that the Muslims in places like Prijedor put up no fight whatsoever.
>Where are they now?
>
>Joe Blazic
>
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   I am truely dismayed by the tragic events in Bosnia & Herzegovina
   that  have  brought  so  much  pain to ALL people there, Muslims,
   Serbs and Croats alike. How dare you question that, when you know
   nothing about me or where I stand with respect to this tragedy ??
   
   In order to focus you attention on the crookedness of your  atti-
   tude let me pose YOU a question, tuned to the wavelength at which
   you operate:
   
   Where are the Serbs who lived in Mostar? They comprised a  signi-
   ficant portion of the city's population (before it was "ethnicaly
   cleansed"). To remind you, Mostar was captured by Croat units and
   Serbs were expelled from it long time before anybody in the world
   started to worry about "ethnic cleansing".
   
   Furthermore, where do you think the 600,000 refugees currently in
   Serbia  came  from  ?? It seems to me that with such double stan-
   dards you will never shake of the hatred  that  you  nurture  for
   Serbs.  You  look  pretty  comfortable exercising it, so enjoy; I
   won't be spoiling your fun any more. I promise !!!
   
   Good bye, Mr. Blazic !!!
   
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jovan
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