From: adr9510@rigel.tamu.edu (Trapped in Aggieland)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp
Subject: Re:  Shadowrun: Looting bodies
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:57:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <1992Apr07.105920.25364@orionsci>, goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin) writes...
>>Munchkinism abounds! What the hell was the troll doing with *two* MPMs (man 
>>portable missles) and the MG? Even if he *could* get them, *and* cary all of
> 
>Hey chummer, a LMG is not that rare.  I pulled the archetype for the street
>sam directly from the Street Samurai guide.  Christ, they wanted to give
>him a panther assault cannon.  I said no. I'll call FASA though and tell
>them you think they're a bunch of munchkins.

I think you missed the point: the LMG is a *big* *big* gun. When complimented
by TWO *missles* (find me an archtype with MPM Packs, please) we see not a 
suspension of disbelief, but a suspension of good sense.


>>that effectively---they're a reason they're called missles! They explode. An 
>>explosion in a *sewer*!? The backblast should of been enough to toast several
>>players (falling cieling, burns, shrapnel, etc.).
> 
>From 80 meters away?  I'm not physics major, but maybe we could start
>a blast radius thread now that the knockback thread has died down. :)

OK, here we go: a concussive blast *in a sewer* will cause massive amounts of
backwash. This effect is both sonic, and explosive. Maybe eighty meters will
save you from the explosive part, but the sonic is often enough to break 
eardrums. Case in point: a friend of mine on advanced LERP training was doing
a simulated sewer sweep with his unit, using Miles Gear (that's the lazer tag
/paint eq. the army uses in training excersizes). One bozo gets the bright
idea to take out the ppl down tunnel with a "grenade" (it's a paint tracer
charge with a big BOOM to it). Suffice to say that 2 good men lost their hearing
permanantly, and the rest of the squad was deafened for quite some time. And
that's over a 30 meter tunnel area with a toned down explosion. Now extrapolate
this to a *missle* size blast.

>Thanks for playing but buzz off!  It specifically stated that the
>characters were to be given two missiles.  And secondly, I thought of
>the missiles (I couldn't find them in the sourcebook) more as LAWs
>(That's Light Antitank Weapons) or possibly RPGs (Rocket Propelled
>Grenades) than antiaircraft.

OK: Missle=BIG self propelled explosive charge. RPG=grenade on a stick. Think
about it.

Look up MISSLE in the Street Sam Catalogue, it will do you a world of good.


>I really like it when people flame without enough information.  Really
>I do.  They were given the missiles along with a few AK98 Assault rifles,
>body armor and some neat aerosol that does wonderful things to plastic
>armor by a corp that wanted them to pull off a run.

Like, what's yer point? Even if they were given them, using them against 
infantry in a sewer is a waste. Not to mention self destructive.


>No, that's the point where I say, "Gee chummer, I didn't say that I gave
>them Anti-Aircraft missiles. 

Oh, it was an anti-tank missle then? Sorry, next time clarify.
(note for the sarcasm impaired: missles of any nature *shudder* Firing them
in close quarters *eep*)


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