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From: jtisdel@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Tisdel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Aggressive civilizations (was Re: Denial of Humanity)
Summary: balance of terror...
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:01:24 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Apr14.025409.14848@rata.vuw.ac.nz> maven@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Jim Baltaxe) writes:
>The time contrast needn't be even that great, unfortunately, look at
>Desert Storm - smart bombs down a ventilator shaft vs. SCUDs? Besides,
>a Balance of Terror may be an equilibrium, but stable?
>
>Jim Baltaxe - jim.baltaxe@vuw.ac.nz

A balance of terror is an equilibrium and is, for a time, stable.
Take the recent US/USSR cold war -- though there were *many* border
skirmishes in which each superpower was involved either directly
or indirectly, there was no direct military confrontation.  There
were a few close calls -- Cuban Missile Crisis & Berlin Airlift for
example.

Another example would be Europe from the end of the Napoleonic wars
to the begining of WWI.  There were *many* small wars, but no major
confrontations until WWI.

The problem with such balances is they tend to end in cataclysms --
the Post-Napoleonic balance ended in WWI, the US/USSR cold war ended
in the collapse of the USSR.

Applying a similar model to galatic civilizations, you would have a
few major powers -- the galatic federations/empires -- which are
surrounded by smaller powers -- single or small multi-system polities.
The 'big boys' would reach a state of equilibrium and move into
playing around with the smaller powers.  The old maximum of 'defending
our interests' would re-surface in the arena of inter-planetary
conflicts.  And like the examples, eventually this balance would end 
in an intra-galatic war or the collapse of one of the galatic empires.

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From: e45evancio@skerth.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: RE: Isaac Asimov
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:45:00 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan


    Very few writers have had as much impact on a whole genre of literature
as Isaac Asimov.  He will be missed by many, but his works will keep his
name alive.

    Bravo, Mr. Asimov.  You did well, indeed.
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: The Big Wedge
Followup-To: alt.flame.spelling 
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:13:25 GMT

In article <12523@umd5.umd.edu>, walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson) writes:
|>  
|> I mean, we accepted them as our literary forefathers accepted LoveCraft,
 
 I don't usually lose my temper on here, but could you please excuse me for
a moment?
 
 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!
 
 I've always thought that capitalizing letters in the middle of words was 
one of the most senseless and obnoxious linguistic twists ever invented. 
But I grit my teeth and bear it when it appears in commercial words, product
names and the like. After all, it's their word, they can do what they like 
with it.
 
 But I draw the line at this.
 
 The man spelled his name "Lovecraft". It is NOT "LoveCraft". May you be 
messily devoured by a Gug if you ever use that form again.
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Isaac Asimov
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 19:17:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

The news I heard on the radio this morning was that Isaac Asimov died
today of heart failure at the age of 72.

It's possible to divide his science-fiction career into two roughly-
equal parts.  The importance of the first is in what he wrote; that
of the second is in what he was to the field.

I think it was "Prelude to Foundation" that had the chronological
listing of his science fiction books at the front.  I remember how
surprised I was that every one of the books that once made me go
"Wow!" was written by 1957:  The Foundation Trilogy, The End of
Eternity, the I Robot anthology, so many others.  It was such a
contrast to the era that was ushered in (for me) by The Gods Themselves
and produced such books as Nemesis and Foundation's Edge. 

I've often wondered whether new readers of science fiction understand
why Asimov is so highly thought of by older readers.  His greater books
were written for a much different audience, and his best ideas may seem
like old hat to a new reader who doesn't realize that so many of the
newer authors grew up reading those ideas in Asimov's books.

In the last years, his main contribution to sf was not in what he wrote,
but in his presence.  It made a big difference.  We've been losing the
great old-timers -- the living links to the genre when it was young --
rapidly of late, and now we've lost another.  Now those early years are
becoming the subjects of histories rather than anecdotes, and it's
not going to be the same.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com


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From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: Isaac Asimov
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:11:03 GMT

Amen
We have witnessed the passing of one of the greats of sf.

May he rest in peace

The Snail

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From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: A Martian Named Smith (was Re: Coolest SF Character)
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:16:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.125736.18630@onetouch.COM> csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith) writes:

>Lazarus Long????!!!!  That amoral wretch??????  Who has nothing better to
>do than be self-indulgient?  Give me a break! I'll take Michael Valentine
>Smith any day!

Tiny, nanometer-scale nitpick: it's Valentine Michael Smith.  I wouldn't
bring it up except this is about the 50th time I've seen it reversed,
and I don't really understand it.  Sure, he's called "Mike" in the
stories, but lots of people use their middle names (e.g. H. Ross Perot,
J. Danforth Quayle)

In any case, while Mike is a fine character, I wouldn't really characterize
him as "cool".   Certainly the early Mike is not unflappable (everything
even mildly odd sends him into withdrawal).  Towards the end, he's in
control (much to Jubal's unease) but he's still not _cool_; he's prone
to self-doubt and puzzlement, at the very least.  Most of that is expressed
in scenes with Jubal, where he is willing to expose weaknesses he
doesn't wish to show the others, but that's how the reader sees him for
a good portion of the book, so it seems fair to judge him on that basis.

M. Scott Schiffer
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Never let your sense of morality prevent
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 you from doing what's right!"
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 --Mayor Salvor Hardin of Terminus
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Isaac Asimov, _Foundation_
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: ASIMOV
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:00:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Markku Sorto observes, quite correctly, that Asimov's late writing wasn't up to
his earlier work. That was especially true of his fiction, which became
tediously formulaic and relied heavily on "talking heads" to move the story
along. ("Nemesis" comes to mind in this regard.) In a sense, Asimov was in the
ironic position of a pioneer victimized by the very territory he opened up:
largely thanks to his work, SF turned from a minor subgenre into a major
industry whose titles took over even the New York Times bestseller lists. But
an industrialized genre knows only how to exploit, and it exploited Asimov
quite as ruthlessly as its exploits the humble literary proles who entered the
field inspired by Asimov and his generation.
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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re:  X-Men
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:38:13 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access Artists' Centre Toronto

Is James Cameron doing Spiderman first or X-Men first???????

I certainly hope he explores 'spider politics' and other biological
spider weirdness the way Cronenberg did with The Fly.

I mean.......like the song says...........

'Spiderman, Spiderman, does whatever a spider can'

f e r e n c 



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From: yost@adobe.com (David Yost)
Subject: Re: A rather peculiar letter.
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:13:29 GMT

Imagine, the [anti-whateverists] go looking around for
some goons to bash in some heads, and they find alt.goons,
so they ask if any of us would like to do their work for them!
I bet we could confuse them pretty fast!

 --a goon
   head already bashed from too many milligna plots
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From: wjs@doc.ic.ac.uk (William Joseph Sharp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf-lovers
Subject: ASIMOV
Keywords: Asimov
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:46:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, London.

I heard on the news last night that Isaac Asimov was dead. Can anyone confirm this, or
offer any more info, such as why did die? Had heard he was not all that well, but
that he's dead ...

Bill

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From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Oldest Living Old Masters/FAQ (was Re: Asimov - The Passing of a True Great)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:49:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr13.194909.19058
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Originator: jon@cyclone


In article <1992Apr12.233435.25006@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
> ... Manly Wade
> Wellman is either a month or two years and a month younger (depending on
> whether you follow Tuck's ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SF AND FANTASY or Nicholls' SF
> ENCYCLOPEDIA)

> 	Manly Wade Wellman, 5/21/05  (Tuck) (1903, no date given, Nicholls)

I can't provide the date but Wellman died some time ago.  I miss him.

-- 

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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Asimov: a righteous dude?
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:12:06 GMT
Organization: Sometimes found in a quite disorganized state in Trinity College
              Dublin. Freedom==Anarchy. My opinions are, like my total lack of
              organization, entirely my own fault.


Although i hated his later books (post 1955 or so) he *was* a seminal influence.
So Clarke finally beat him, in the end. Ah well...

Anyway, was Asimov an athiest? Will he be made a minor saint of Scientology?
Is it Amigas that keep Clarke young? The questions go on...
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Asimov on postage stamp (was Re: ASIMOV)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:15:46 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <2175@transfer.stratus.com> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>Marvin Minsky writes
>>In article <1992Apr14.030221.20311@cs.yale.edu> allen-benjamin@CS.YALE.EDU  
>(Benjamin Allen) writes:
>>Hmm.  Who would one write letter to, to get this done?

>I'd try writing to the Postmaster General, Washington, DC.

>In fact, I  think I'll do that today.  This is an excellent idea.

It is a good idea, but you should be aware that it would be a while.
Except in the case of dead presidents, the rule is that someone must
be dead 15 years before he or she can go on a postage stamp.  So
in addition to writing now, I hope he will still be remembered enough
15 years from now for someone to remind them.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: curt@quest.UUCP (Curtis Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Ewoks arn't cute!
Keywords: Ewoks killers not cute
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:07:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: quest.1992Apr15.190744.8101
Organization: Quest Research, Inc.

Ewoks arn't the cute peaceful agrarian society some people have been
telling everyone about.  They are blood thirsty savages with a strong
warlike leaning.  They were going to EAT Luke & Solo!  They defeated
Storm Troopers with their primitive weapons and blood thirsty
ferocity.  One wanders what was being roasted over the bonfires at
the victory celebration.  More Bar-B-Q Storm Trooper ribs?  No thanks,
I just got a chunk of liver.  Right!!!

Any one know a word for eating a intelligent being not belonging to
your own species?  xeno-sentient-ibalism maybe?????

Anyway, Ewoks arn't cute, they are killers!  The sooner everybody 
stops trying to make pets of them the better.

This railling on was brought to you with lots of 8^)'s, see

8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 8^) 

Curtis S. Gibson     curt%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu
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From: koerse@fwi.uva.nl (Niels Koerse (I88))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf-lovers
Subject: Re: ASIMOV
Keywords: Asimov
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:41:33 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

wjs@doc.ic.ac.uk (William Joseph Sharp) writes:

>I heard on the news last night that Isaac Asimov was dead. Can anyone confirm this, or
>offer any more info, such as why did die? Had heard he was not all that well, but
>that he's dead ...

Sunday night, they reported his dead on the last news. Only with a picture
and saying he was famous for the Robot stories and over 400 titles in print.
I did not even know he was sick. All info is welcome. 

>Bill

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From: KidTandy@lorbit.UUCP (Jeff Cornish)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Space 1999
Distribution: usa
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:01:04 PDT
Organization: LOW ORBIT Science and Fiction

Space 1999 was my favorite show when I was way to young to watch a show that la
late (sorry, this board don't have wraparound...).  It was set in the
near future on the moon.  They stored nooklear vaste there (sorry, had to 
use the cheesy Chekov impersination...:)  Nuclear Waste go BOOM! and knocked
the moon into interstellar space (and at incredible speed it seems).  
Every week we got to see powerful alien lifeforms attempt to take over, destroy
 or cause whoopie on Moonbase Alpha (They had a Zero Pop. Growth plan in
effect cuz the life support was limited.  I loved the series and I still
like it for all of Its faults....the tech wasn't half bad and I loved the
toy spinoffs (I even had a Moonbase Alpha PATCH!  ah well...lost to history..)
Please e-mail me if you would like to talk more.ttyl
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From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: Isaac Asimov
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:13:37 GMT

gmcmanus@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Gary McManus) writes:

>Is he really dead, or is this another of Doug's hilarious jokes?
>		 

Yes,he's really dead.

R.I.P. Mr. Asimov.

bye bye

The Snail
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From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.arts.sf-lovers
Subject: Re: ASIMOV
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:47:38 GMT

From: sacass@unix1.tcd.ie (stephen andrew cass)
>
>Goodbye Asimov. Thankyou for all the enjoyment you have given me over
>the years. Rest well in peace.
>Stephen
>

I wonder how long it'll be before _Asimov's Guide to Heaven_ is released?

No, I better not wish for that.  He's an author, and if the book did well, he
just wouldn't be able to resist doing a sequel...
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: "SF" versus <spit> "SciFi"
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:58:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <01GISSA1WKKW000R8S@muwayb.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> DAVIS@licr.dn.mu.OZ.AU writes:

>Time for some Serious Discussion.

With a subject like this?????  Hahahahahahahah!!!!!

Still, a target so ready for flames is hard to ignore, and I'm not even
going to try.  I hope you've got your asbestos undies on.  ;-)

>[...] What really gets up my nose 
>though is the abbreviation of Science Fiction to "SciFi".  When *I* was a 
>youngster I was brought up correctly!  Surely the One True Abbreviation is 
>"SF"!  Yet even in some of the tributes to Asimov we read the heretical 
>"SciFi".  This has got to stop!  Surely the Net wields sufficient power to 
>really make a difference here.  Come on people!  Stand up for what is 
>right!  Stamp out the infidels who declare themselves by the use of this 
>abominable abbreviation.

What really gets up *my* nose is pretentious wankers who feel they have
to compensate for their own insecurity by setting up straw dogs like
this.  Boy, it sure makes you feel high and mighty to know that you're
superior to those "infidels" who say "skiffy", huh?

Kid, I've been around SCI-FI for thirty years--attended my first SCI-FI
convention when I was three.  I've dined at the house of Phil Farmer,
Marion Zimmer Bradley, and Poul Anderson, crashed at the house of
Randall Garrett, Phil Dick, and at Greyhaven.  John Brunner has crashed
at parent's house when he was in the States.  My aunt has six or seven
SCI-FI novels out, and my mother has had a story published in Isaac
Asimov's SCI-FI Magazine.  :-)  Sometimes I use the term SF, sometimes
Sci-Fi.  And I've never heard any complaints about the latter except
from pimple-faced fanboys and pretentious art-geeks.  If you wanna form
a private club of people-who-only-say-SF, go for it, but I sure won't
bother to join. 

The only excuse that I can see for this puerile nonsense is that it
gives people who wanna think they're part of the "in-crowd" an excuse to
look down their noses as innocent newbies and neofen.  It gives insecure
a-holes a way to cut down people and try to make them feel bad.  I've
seen this kind of abusive behaviour, and I want no part of it.  In
theory, the idea may be fine; in practice, it stinks.  

p.f. (post flame) maybe what we really need is a good, new, derogatory
term for psuedo-science-fictional dreck and C-movies...  How 'bout "SS"
(for Science-Schlock)?  ;-)
-- 
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From: burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jonathan Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Coolest SF Character (was Re: Even more things vs.things)
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:37:10 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1992Apr13.234540.26247@pbhya.PacBell.COM>
 whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:

> No, no, no, no!  You're all *wrong*.  The coolest character in
> sciencefiction is Nadreck of Palain Seven.  All the folks you guys
> have been mentioning have body temps of over 300 Kelvin--they aren't
> even in the running.

And he'd still be the coolest character if he was an acetylene-
breathing volcano-dweller from S Doradus I. So there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au|  and see nothing like the jaguar and the Black Knight.
Computer Science Dept |  I don't know 'bout that either. But I'm going back
La Trobe University   |  just in case I get lucky. 
                      |      Lucius Shepard, _Life During Wartime_
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From: chevron@access.digex.com (chevron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Coolest SF Character  (was Re: Even more things vs.things)
Keywords: coolest, sf, character, Blake's 7, Avon
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:08:50 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA

In article <Apr.6.23.23.28.1992.25844@remus.rutgers.edu> krebs@remus.rutgers.edu (Michael Krebs) writes:

>Finally, who's the coolest S.F. character. Not most powerfull or strongest or
>anything like that , just the Coolest Person In Sci-Fi.
>

Well, I like Zaphod, Han and Hudson too.  Ford Prefect isn't bad either,
as long as you mentioned Zaphod and HHGTTG.

BUT . . .

As far as I am concerned, THE coolest SF character award goes hands
down (or hands up, if _he's_ holding the blaster) to none other
than (IMHO, of course) that king of British SF cool himself, Kerr Avon.

Avon didn't stop at cool, he could be ice itself.  The man had style,
the man had elegance, the man knew how to dress to kill.  _And_ he
was good with computers (and _everyone_ knows _that's_ cool, especially
the net nuts   :-)  ).

Anyone else out there want to cast a vote for "Coolest SF Character"?

See Ya!  (or rather, Read Ya!)
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From: eagle@percy.rain.com (Justin the Blue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Space 1999
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:42:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Percy's mach, Portland, OR

dnadams@isis.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:

>KidTandy@lorbit.UUCP (Jeff Cornish) writes:
> >Space 1999 was my favorite show when I was way to young to watch 

>I always liked it quite a bit as well.  It was definitely lightyears ahead
>of certain ridiculous US shows like Duck Dodgers and Cattlecar Galaxitive.

> >I loved the series and I still like it for all of Its faults....
> >the tech wasn't half bad 

>Right, their sets and various designs are still some of the very best.

  What I always loved was the design of the Moonbase: extremely reminscent
  of the Clavius Base out of 2001.  As I understand, It's ocurred to some
  that building in concentric rings around a power/control core is a
  very low-energy way of growth.

  It also makes for a very good looking base.  I got quite good at sketching
  it...

> >and I loved the toy spinoffs 
>I still have a die-cast Eagle and UFO Interceptor around somewhere...
> >I even had a Moonbase Alpha PATCH!  ah well...lost to history..

  I never got my chance to avail myself of the Alpha model (they even
  had one of those)...(sob)...I figure if I keep lookin' I"ll find one
  tho.

>Doesn't have to be, those are still readily available at almost any SF 
>or Star Trek convention.  I have my "ALPHA MOONBASE" patch right here.

  I still have mine too, sewn (badly) to a blue pullover.  Wife calls
  it my "Alpha Moonbase shirt".  Dinnit just bug ya that the production
  company had thier initials REEL BIGG in the middle of the patch?

>-{ DA }-

  -Justin the Blue-
  Waiting for 13th Sept 99.

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