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From: PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Peter Correnty)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: DARIO ARGENTO
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:10:15 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Aug19.172946.25745@news2.cis.umn.edu>
donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
 
>
>In article <168487F14.PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Peter Correnty) writes:
>>SUSPIRIA was reduced to 92 minutes from 97, INFERNO from 107 mins.
>>to 83!!!!, TENEBRAE from 110 to 91!!!! and PHENOMENA from 120 mins
>>to 80!!!  No wonder many of the critics find Argento's films
>>incoherent.  I remember when I first saw SUSPIRIA in the theaters,
>>it was the uncut version.  Two years later, SUSPIRIA showed up on
>>cable in its butchered state.  Five minutes didn't destroy the plot,
>>but films like DEEP RED and INFERNO made little sense when I saw
>>them for the first time in truncated form.  Fortunately, video
>>companies have released Argento's films completely uncut!
>>
>Four Flies on Grey Velvet was barely released in the States, and I have problems
>believeing that it was released uncut. Fangoria did an interivew/article on
>Argento about 3 years back, in which they detailed how his movies had been cut.
>Only "Suspiria" has been released uncut. "Unsane/Tenebrae" is cut. "Deep Red"
>is cut, and several scenes <notably the head squishing> have been optically
>darkened. Four Flies... and Cat O'... have yet to be released. "Bird with
>the Crystal Plumage" has had some sexual cruelty removed <its in the World Of
>Dario Argento, though>.
>Argento is also Cut in his native country, and almost everywhere else. Don't
>be fooled by the box copy on the Jap laserdiscs. Most of them are cut, too.
>
>				--Judex--
>\
>
Key Video and Eccentri-Cinema have the uncut 107 min. version of INFERNO;
I've even timed it myself to be sure ... and the video has been
transferred (beautifully, I might add) at normal speed.
 
Eccentri-Cinema and Domovideo both have the uncut 121 min. version of
DEEP RED, which I also have on video and have seen.  The "head
squishing" is completely intact, as well as other bits of gore.
 
Eccentri-Cinema has the uncut version of BIRD with the animal cruelty
and rape scene.
 
Video Search of Miami and Eccentri-Cinema have the uncut version (101
mins.) of TENEBRAE.  The edited version has been released as UNSANE
and it eliminates two extra shots of the gruesome dismemberment.
 
Eccentri-Cinema has the uncut version of FOUR FLIES ON GREY VELVET.
It didn't have a wide release here in the US in the 70s, but it still
plays every summer in NYC ... also uncut.
 
Eccentri-Cinema carried CAT O' NINE TAILS uncut.  The quality is
excellent, and the packaging is great!  Other companies carry it in
a chopped version, usually recorded in LP mode.
 
Pete.
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: wit and wisdom of Lord John Whorfin
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:40:13 GMT



"Character is who you are in the dark."

Whorfin had a couple of other loopy aphorisms in that speech, which I can't
remember.  Anybody?  Also, did Buckaroo have any good lines in the nightclub
besides the one everybody knows?  I'd go rent the darn thing, but Spouse
took her player when she moved out.

While I'm up, does anyone have a list of Handmade films?
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Re: Big Screen Super-Heroes, What next, the Shadow?
In-reply-to: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca's message of 20 Aug 92 23:06:40 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine
Distribution: alt.cult-movies
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:28:50 GMT


In article <cosulliv.714352000@sfu.ca> cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan) writes:

   Superman, Batman, Dick Tracy, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles...first they
   were comic strips or comic books, then serialized for the matinee
   crowd (except TMNT), and super-hyped with mega-production, f/x, salaries, etc.
   What I wanna know is this:
	   What about _The Shadow_?

	   As films nowadays are bleak and depressing overall, maybe it's time
   the Shadow should emerge onto the big screen? There've been serialized 
   matinee formats of the Shadow, radio shows, novels, comic books, I'd like
   to see the Master Stalker of the Night in a Tim Burton vehicle.  Has
   someone else in Hollywood cradled this idea? Does anyone want to get
   involved in fantasy casting?

   Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of studio execs?

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Actually, a new Shadow movie was optioned by none other than Amblin'
Entertainment and Robert Zemiakes (I know, spelled wrong).  This happened
around 1985-6 (after Back To The Future but before Roger Rabbit) when the
studios were optioning comic book material like crazy.  Nothing ever came out
of it, but I imagine that the '40s look carried over into Roger Rabbit.

Personally, I would like to see a Shadow movie set in the universe of the
1987-89 Andy Helfer/Kyle Baker Shadow comic book.  Director?  Ah hell...
James Cameron.  Starring?  The only person I can think of who can pull it off
would be Clint Eastwood.
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From: dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter)
Subject: Spinal Tap Extra Footage
Organization: Stellar Enterprises
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 05:54:33 GMT

'kay, a friend of mine saw an interview with a guy from the Spinal Tap
movie (who isn't a guy from Spinal Tap) And this person said That there
were literally HOURS AND HOURS of extra footage of them just fucking
around. Anybody out there know anything about it, and where I could find
it? Email or post, thanks mucho...

_______________________________________________________________
Dann Cutter  Stellar Enterprises /
dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies
From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Subject: Dario Argento
Reply-To: eprice@sql.sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:36:16 GMT

I just got the following book: _Broken Mirrors/Broken Minds: The Dark
Dreams of Dario Argento_, by Maitland McDonagh.  ISBN 0-9517012-0-7,
sun tavern fields, PO Box 982, London E1 9EQ, (c) 1991.

It's mediocre--but it's the only book about Argento in English.

If I work up the energy I may post a full review of it.  Well,
maybe--basically if you are an Argento fan you will want the book
anyway and if you're not an Argento fan you won't care how good it
is...

Fun facts:

Argento made a Fiat commercial (1987)!  I would love to see that...

He also did a fashion show for Trussardi (1988), which apparently
involved the models acting out part of Suspiria and being slaughtered
or something.  Yikes.

In 1972 he "supervised and presented four short telefilms for Italian
TV".  This series was called "La porta sul buio" [The Door into
Darkness], and the four installments were:

 Testimone oculare [Eyewitness], dir. by Argento as "Roberto Pariente"
 Il Tram [The Tram], dir. by Argento as "Sirio Bernadotte"
 Il vicino di casa [Neighbor], dir. by Luigi Cozzi
 La bambola [The Doll]

He's produced DEMONS, DEMONS 2 (both Lamberto Bava, Mario's son), and
THE CHURCH and THE SECT by Michele Soavi, as well as another series
for Italian TV called "Giallo" [literally "yellow", but it refers to
the thriller genre].

-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sql.sybase.com (not wildman@...)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Re: Quote help
Originator: gcagle@dracula
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:46:34 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <1992Aug19.115628.16820@pbs.org>, eyeater@pbs.org writes:
|>      I hope the net can help me on this.  From whence comes the line,
|> 
|> 		"It is BALLOON!"  ?
|> 

F Troop.

- Greg
-- 
Greg Cagle               "Floont Artney, Private Eye"
Mentor Graphics          
greg_cagle@mentorg.com
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Subject: Firefox sequel - was it made????
From: mech413@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:16:22 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Hi all,

	Here in NZ we just had the privelige of seeing the original Firefox
movie on TV. Sure the special effects are old (antique!!!) and the history
 has rendered the plot redundant, but hey I enjoyed it.

Now I heard a rumor that the sequel "Firefox Down" had been made but I have
never seen any reference it. I know that Craig Thomas wrote the two books
"Firefox" and "Firefox Down" which were both very good so I'd like to see
the second if it exists. 

Does any one know anything about the sequel was it made?, is it going to be
made ? etc.

Cheers

Tim

-- 

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* University of Canterbury          *                 concept"                *
* Mechanical Engineering Dept.      *                                         *
* Christchurch                      *  EMAIL ADDRESS:                         *
* New Zealand                       *        MECH413@csc.canterbury.ac.nz     *
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Spinal Tap Extra Footage
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:58:19 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Aug20.055433.24779@nntp.uoregon.edu> dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) writes:
>'kay, a friend of mine saw an interview with a guy from the Spinal Tap
>movie (who isn't a guy from Spinal Tap) And this person said That there
>were literally HOURS AND HOURS of extra footage of them just fucking
>around. Anybody out there know anything about it, and where I could find
>it? Email or post, thanks mucho...
>

I saw Rob Reiner talking abou that.  Apparently that did have
something like 50 hours (maybe an exaggeration), which was edited into
the a single movie.  As i remember it, there was a loose script but a
lot of what's seen on the screen is improvisation by Chris Guest,
Harry Shearer, et al.  Reiner said that the stuff left out really
wouldn't cut well into another film. So I wouldn't expect that you
could find it or expect to see a special `cut' of Spinal Tap.


-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: patterjd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeffrey D Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Eraserhead
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:05:57 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Aug14.062748.1128@usace.mil> pace@usace.mil (Joe Pace)  
writes:
> Any "Eraserhead" fans out there?
> 
> Joe
> -- 
>  
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> Joe Pace                                              UNIX/Networking  
Analyst
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JPPACE@UCDAVIS.BITNET

Of course I am!!!!!!
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: The Devils
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:33:48 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


I saw this Ken Russell film about ten years or so ago.  I found it
very sadistic and disturbing to watch, especially the purge scenes
with Vanessa Redgrave.

-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Bis ans Ende der Welt
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:42:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cult-movies
Organization: U of Mn Propoganda Ministry

In article <_19m33j.esprit@netcom.com>, esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
wrote:
> 
> 
> The discussion of Wim Wenders and "Bis ans Ende der Welt" (apparently
> released in the U.S. as "Until the End of the World") leads me to ask,
> has the film already completed its theater run in the U.S.?
> 
> I was living in Munich last year when, under much fanfare, this film was
> released.  Two versions were shown.  One was in "native language", where
> some scenes were in English and others in French and the other verion was
> dubbed German. 

This sounds like some of his other works, such as Amerikanische Freund.  I
like this a lot, it makes it much more like real life. It's better than
having people who speak foreign languages do so in English with a heavy
accent.

> 
> Anyway, I liked the film and wanted to see it again to see if anything was
> changed for the U.S. release.

It never ran here in Minneapolis as far as I can remember.  I work at a
video
store on the side, and the video release of Bis ans Ende der Welt has been
repeatedly delayed.  Dunno what the story on that is.

Shawn Barnhart ! sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu
Phenylketonurics:  This product contains phenylalanine.
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Spinal Tap Extra Footage
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:07:56 GMT

The movie I saw in the original distribution was trimmed by 5-10 minutes
the next time I saw it (in the theatre and on video). The whole subplot
about the bass player having an affair with the guitar player's girlfriend
was cut out ! I was disappointed since there little hints dropped along
the way about the affair and it was nice to have it confirmed.

Anyone else notice this ?
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: djohn@maths.tcd.ie (Derek John)
Subject: Bladerunner
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:10:52 GMT

 Having missed it on tv numerous times Last night I finally got to see
Bladerunner.I thought it was quite good.I thought the sets were fantastic
very dark and capturing the decay of moral life very well.
But my question is what is all this talk I hear about Deckart being a replicant?I know its probably been done to death on this group a bit like total recall
(Was it a dream or not?) but can any body give me any proof for this supposition that he was in fact an android?

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Wim Wenders filmography request (was Re: Until the End of the World)/Argento's "Susperia"
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:00:33 GMT

In reference to the comment that "Suspiria" on LD/VC just can't equal the
"theatre experience", I have to add one small thing. There doesn't appear
to be a decent print of "Suspiria" available to theatres. I have seen it
twice on the4 big screen. <In the last 5 years>. The first was very washed
out, and had numerous splice gaps. The 2nd had some sort of red blobs that
danced across the screen continuously, and even more splice gaps! It was'nt
helped by the managements insistence on turning the film down every time
the volume increased. The scene of the maggots falling from the ceiling
was almost completely gone! When the film finally hit video, I was 
ecstatic to see the rich colors, and bits and pieces that were not in
the theatre prints, for various reasons. Besides, no theatre on earth
ever showed a print of "Suspiria" this long. Even with new films, I
find the image quality in most theatres to be execrable, even with new films.
I suspect many of them have no idea how to clean the gate in the projector,
to avoid scratches. When I saw "Lawnmower Man", there was a gob of hair
stuck in one corner of the gate for the entire film, and probably several
other showings. 

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From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Wim Wenders filmography request (was Re: Until the End of the World)
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.214953.14741@athena.mit.edu> wildman@athena.mit.edu
(Timothy Worsley) writes:

>Of the three "angels" he dedicated it to, I've never been impressed
>with Truffaut, I've heard good things but never seen anything by
>Ozu... but Tarkovsky is probably my favorite director of all time (and
>his influence on Wings of Desire is obvious).
>

Ozu is probably one of the greatest minimalist directors ever.  Just about
every shot in every one of his films is shot from the same angle, same lens,
same height,etc.  Very unique director.  All film students should watch his
stuff just so they can see that cameras flying everywhere (like Phil Joanou,
Julien Temple and other MTV-brats) is not really necessary. 

>There's also HAMMETT (ugh)...  and I seem to remember seeing something
>called TOKYO-GA in the video-store, never heard anything about it or
>seen it though.
>

If you want to learn about Ozu, rent TOKYO-GA its all about him.  This film
really shows the love that Wenders has for Ozu and Japan (there are shots in
Until the End of the World in Japan that look exactly like the shots in
TOKYO-GA).  There is a heart-wrenching scene when Ozu's cinematographer
reminesces about working with him, he starts to break down and cry.  The
genuine show of affection is very emotional.

Thats one thing I love about Wender's films, he really puts his emotions on his
sleeve.

>>Also, any other comments on him or his films would be appreciated. We
>>can start with the pronunciation of his name! Is it "Vim Venders", or
>>what?
>
>That would be my guess.
>

yep, he's right, at least thats how everyone I know pronounces it (even Siskel
and Ebert).

>-Ed Price (not Tim Worsely), eprice@sql.sybase.com (not wildman@...)
>

geez, you're not just into Hong Kong films after all.

Josh Tsui


Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:07:50 GMT

 Ah yes, _Siesta_ !!
>
> Now there's an odd flick....
>
> L.

>Yeah, it seemed to be a remake of _Carnival of Souls_, but the source was
>credited to a novel (which seemed like a recent one to me). A novelist
>imitating a strangely neat old film maybe?

>Also mainly featured Ellen Barkin, I believe, and very nude. Never found
>her terribly interesting though...
>
>AK

Ellen Barkin, NOT INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Buckaroo Banzai
Siesta
The Big Easy
Sea of Love

Woof, whata babeorama, I think she's one of the hottest actresses around
today.  Of course I'm justa guy with over active hormones anyway./gb
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Blues Brothers  Question
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:55:11 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I  think the purpose is to show how inclined to criminalism Elwood
is by stealing thlings for which he has no possible need.

"Could we say...meet?"

-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Raising Cain
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:37:35 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1992Aug12.155222.3252@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:
>I saw this movie this weekend.  Mostly i liked it but some
>of it was just so cheesy.  John Lithgow was great in it.  

Was Lithgow considered for Silence of the Lambs? He seems to be
going for the psycho character a lot lately. He looks like  someone
trying to prove that he could have done Lector.



-- 
*********************************************
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*    bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu           *
*    D-8195 NFS #27                         *
From: jprisco@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: DARIO ARGENTO
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:29:44 GMT
Reply-To: jprisco@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Distribution: na
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: jprisco@gidney.oswego.edu

Does anyone have any information on director Dario Argento?  I recently
saw SUSPIRIA, and found it to be one of the most visually stunning films
I have ever seen, horror or otherwise.  A friend also lent me OPERA,
but I haven't watched it yet.

Also, when was SUSPIRIA made? And have The Goblins put out any albums
in the U.S.?

Thanks in advance!


--
Joseph Prisco                        BITNET                          INTERNet
Cornell University, CAM     jprisco@CRNLCAM     jprisco@macomb.tn.cornell.edu
   "Dreams are stupid and they frighten me."  | "D is for lots of things."
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From: bahn@main.mndly.umn.edu (Christopher Bahn)
Subject: Re: Name that film
Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:19:50 GMT

In article <40935@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> ng@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Neil Ghani) writes:



>>   =>This may be a bit difficult as i can only give (very) sketchy details
>>   =>but i'd love an answer. I saw this film about 4 years ago but not on
>>   =>its original release, i.e. it may be much older. It's set in msmall
>>   =>town America (arn't they always) and of course there's nothing for the
>>   =>kids to do except go to the local youth club, take lots of acid,
>>   =>indulge in a bit of vandalism and arson etc. Eventually the parents
>>   =>etc get fed up and decide to close the club down. This only
>>   =>exacerbates the situation and further widens the generation gap. 
>> 
>>   =>The climax has all the parents meeting in the local school to figure
>>   =>out what they should do. The kids lock them inside and trash all their
>>   =>cars etc. The film's tenor is very anarchic; the end being a sort of
>>   =>uprising of the dispossessed against those in power
>> 
>>   =>Thanks for any help, sorry i can't be more specific. Reply direct if
>>   =>you wish
>> 
>>   =>Neil
>> 


>Thanks to the several people sent me the answer - "Over the Edge". The
>following listing from Scheueur's "Movies on TV and Videocassette" may
>be more informative than my own acid and arson infused recollections:

>1979 **1/2
>Michael Kramer, Pamela Ludwig, Matt Dillon. Troubled teens reject the
>values of thier parents, who are so obsessed with their model community
>they fail to see the breaks in their own family circles.  While the film
>may score points with anarchy-minded adolescents, the climax of the film,
>where teens run amok and destroy property seems deliberately
>sensationalzied.  (Dir:  Jonathan Kaplan, 95 mins.)  [Released on
>videocassette]

>A couple of answers left me worried about the mental
>state of the respective authours. An extreme cause for concern was
>Michael Chaplin who's reply was

> =It's "Footloose". I'm 99% positive.

>I suggest the Mr. Chaplin urgently seek the help of a trained
>psychologist.

I beg your pardon, but Michael Chaplin didn't say that. I, Chris Bahn, did.