HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Why Do You Think It Is?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 19:45:28 EST

In article <1cuum2INNb6t@life.ai.mit.edu> jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst) writes:
>I said it before TO YOU and will say so again: life sucks.  Humans are horrible
>at best.  [...] Only the stupid/ignorant/purposefully uninformed are 
>NOT in despair.

You can say it as often as you like.  That doesn't make it true.
People are animals yes; but horrible at best?  I don't think so.
The best and brightest people in the world taste both heaven and hell
while on earth.   

>Suicide is a private act with private reasons. 

True - but it is also the ultimate rejection. Sometimes the
most hostile thing you can do to somebody else is to kill yourself.
From: megazone@pitt.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Hmmmmmm???
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:13:41 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitt.wpi.edu

Sigh.... entropy IS increasing...

Let's see if this can be defused...

In article <1d9ci5INN1kv@male.EBay.Sun.COM> sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>what the HELL was THAT, woman???!!!!
>is that supposed to be a put down to *ME*?

Well, depends on your point of view... Me, I saw is as humorous in general. 
Then again I've been here from the start and those codes were funny to me 
because of the number of times I have actually seen those arguments.

And your original post could be twisted a bit to imply some of them, like the
survivor question. I took it as a question, it could also imply that you 
believe that we have no real experience, as several others have. It depends 
on the reader.

Experience will hopefully temper your reactions, if you think it through you
may see that other vantage point. Being a writer I am very familiar with people
interpreting what I say in ways I didn't mean.

And if you're going to hang on a.s.h, which I hope you do, you will need to
develop a varied and twisted sense of humor...

You know there are some decaf brands that are just as tasty as the real thing.

>why don't you say it in English instead of these
>*codes* or whatever shit that was????

I do believe she did say it in english. It was code # : English explanation.

>as to what i'm about...and if you went thru the shit
>*I* have in my lifetime, YOU would have been gone
>a LONG time ago. 

Hold it!

One thing I really have a low tolerance for is someone telling someone else 
that they are better. 

"I have more angst than you!"

Maybe she would have killed herself,, maybe she would have dealt better than
you did. Who are you to judge?

I never presume to know anothers pain. The same situation can cause totally
different reactions in someone else. You can't say how well they would deal 
with situations you have dealt with, or how well you would have dealt with
their situations.

I have known people who have broken down in situations that didn't phase me
who I needed for support when the tables were turned.

You cannot directly compare such things.

>*I* decided to survive....don't put me down for THAT.

No problem, your decision.

>"that which does not kill me will make me stronger"  <something like that...

Close enough, I prefer 'That which does not kill me had better to be able to
run wicked damn fast.'

>i never said "well, gee, you wouldn't be feeling sorry for yourself
>if you had to live thru the death of someone you love!!!"

No, but the phrasing of the questions coupled with the history of a.s.h can
easily imply that meaning. Not you're fault, just miscommunication.

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# I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity.  Use your mind, think! #
#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: This Khare thread
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:01:46 GMT

SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!SPAM!!!
 
This is interesting.  From my own particular point of view:
(Hey, Khare, how does it feel to have a thread named after you, that has
precious little to do with you per se?)
 
Seeeeemmms to moi, that what happened is Lucifuge cited Khare as an example
of someone who 'gets happy' (glad for ya, dude) and for that reason doesn't
post, and asked aloud if Khare was even still lurking.  Khare posted back.
Brady advised Khare to high-tail it outta here, lest the cynics destroy
his happiness. *Somewhere* along the line Brady expressed the sentiment that
he felt Khare was being pressured to keep company with us, and for the reason
cited above thinks that a bad idea...he also realizes that that may have been
a misinterpretation on his part (i.e., that Khare was not being pressured).
From my own view, i don't see how what Lucifuge said could be considered
an example of coercing Khare to do anything.  This thread has now transformed
into a lot of growling about how [insert name of choice] is out for control
over others.  Fine.  Musings about Lucifuge controlling others, or Brady
controlling others, or cynics controlling Khare are grist for the mill here.
I have something extra to throw between the mill stones, which might
elucidate this (at least for me):
  I'm not sure how to put it though, because it is not my intention to start
a shouting match, so, well....i'll put it this way:
 
     Brady, if you think a.s.h. is a poor influence on people, what are
     *you* doing here?  What is a.s.h. in your eyes, and how does that
     differ from what you'd like it to be?
 
euclid
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: An Old Poem (Re: My turn to rant.)
Keywords: life sucks
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 08:20:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.093155.21596@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com
(Richard Powers) writes:
>Why exactly am I still here?  What do I think I can salvage out of this
>miserable thing I call a life? ...
>Romance?
>		Where?  The female human seems to be attracted only to the
>		type of man who is "dangerous".  This usually translates
>		into complete jerks who have no respect for women.  Nice
>		guys definitely finish last in this arena.  ...

That reminds me.

I have found a very old file in my directory.  I created it a long
time ago, and I had almost forgotten about it until now.  It brings
back some pleasant but mostly unpleasant memories.  I thought that I
might share it with you guys and gals.

Here it is.  Any comments?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The modification is inspired by:

                  Haru tateba
                  Kiyuru koori no,
                  Nokori naku
                  Kimi ga kokoro mo
                  Ware ni toke-namu!

(translation)

                  Like the ice which melts
                  When spring begins
                  Not leaving a trace behind,
                  May your heart melt towards me!

                                ---anonymous from a tenth-century
                                   Japanese anthology, "Kokin"
                                "Japanese Poetry The 'Uta'" [an anthology]
                                by Arthur Waley


------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
Jinsei no imi wa nan desu ka.                Sister, can you      |   \|  |`
Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.           spare a coin?        |    | -+-
                                                                  |   /| / \
Copyright 1992.  Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3                           |
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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Thanks Go To the Ranters
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:13:31 GMT

In article <1e15qmINN33u@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@hikita.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.163414.18938@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>> 	Time to break out the champane and party (at WPI)!!! 
>
>Hey, sounds good to me. I'm sure we could get the locals together...
>
>mtspace,paladin,joe,mark,etc......
>
>###############################################################################
># I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity.  Use your mind, think! #
>#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
>###############################################################################

	Actually, I am seriously considering trekking up to see the
lot of you on the weekend of Nov. 20th (since it's my 21th birthday, I'd
like to do something out of sync with my usual life).  I _hope_ I can
come up then, but I'm not sure if I'll get to leave Friday night (the 20th)
or not... now TBG (who I thought wasn't really interested in helping
me celebrate) _might_ join me at some pub to drink and be merry with me
(with other people too, of course).

	If I can't come up Friday, I might skip classes Monday and stay
up there til Mon. morning... of course, this all depends on me not having
to work that weekend...

	With the way things have been going recently, I won't know
for sure until that Thursday whether I can come up that weekend or
not.  So who wants to let me crash at their place for the weekend???
anyone? anyone?

	AMW


-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM (Sheri Gillette)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Random acts (my 2 cents worth)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:05:19 GMT
Reply-To: sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jett.ebay.sun.com


>>>or did you mean the one that the shiny happy people like to post?
	he meant the "Practice Random Acts of Kindness" 


well, if ya don't like THAT one,

there is always:

"GO F%CK YOURSELF!!!!!!"

hee!!

O8*P
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 02:23:40 CST
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: David Conibear?
 <1dsq5iINNgts@bigboote.WPI.EDU>

In article <1dsq5iINNgts@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, megazone@realsoon.WPI.EDU
(MegaZone23) says:

[Repost of Dave Conibear's last note.]

A mighty powerful post that was.  Thanks for reposting it Zone.
I didn't copy it off the first time because I wasn't sure it was real.

I, for one, noticed the power and resolve of it the first time I
read it.  But, not knowing Dave myself, I eventually passed it by
as perhaps another of the occassional "is it real or isn't it real"
posts we have here on a.s.h. from time to time.  It's really hard
to know what to take seriously about these posts.

Dave was determined--and thoughtful--to the end.

Brady

>Article: 4541 of alt.suicide.holiday
>From: conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear)
>Subject: Here we go...
>Organization: Carleton University
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:19:19 GMT

=-=-=-=-Brady Woodward PhD=-=U56503@UICVM=-=u56503@uicvm.uic.edu=-=-=-=-=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Thanks Go To the Ranters
Supersedes: <92317.211322U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 23:54:06 CST
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>

Dear Recent Ranters,

(Not all ASHers are included in this moniker)

Thanks to Megazone for his thoughtful and quite lucid (IMHO) post.

To the rest of the Ranters:

Thanks go to those who have spent so much time ranting and raving
and proving my points.  I couldn't have asked for better empirical
evidence.  Keep on posting that hateful stuff.  Keep trying to tell me
what to do, what to say, and how to respond.  That's sure not trying to
control people though is it?

Unfortunately, I'm off now for a ski trip for Thanksgiving.
You Ranters will have to keep your Personal Prisons of Pain
going without me.  I know you can do it though.

I'll check back with you though to see if you have maintained
your doom and gloom identities.  Especially around
Christmas should be fun.  But mostly I have decided you are
beyond help.  Ollie, do you think you and Boesh could work out
a deal to flame each other now for a while to keep the fires
stoked and the hate sharp?  Ms. Kitten could referee perhaps.
It should be fun for you.

Ranters just hate it when you can't suck people into more flame
wars don't they?  Of course, that's not controlling though.

Simply, Ranters, you don't mean that much to me to
put in that kind of time into responding when it is obvious
you can't hear/see and are resisting any idea of change.  Not worth it.
Each post from the Arch Ranters becomes more deranged IMHO.  I don't
choose to engage with people that seem so crazed with hate.
There is no use in it.  I will not be controlled into doing it either.

Why do you Ranters need to continue the flame wars do you think?
Do you need someone to hate to keep the hate going within you?
Are you capable of feeling happy?

Well, I said that this was the end of the flame war
for me.  I'm going to Switzerland!  You Ranters will have to
flame yourselves to ASHes with each other now.

Need a match?

Poof!

Brady

I now return you to your regularly scheduled--and I do mean
*regularly*--despair. . . .  To prove me wrong you're going to have
to change and feel happiness.  Doubt that I will be proved wrong here. . . .
But it's under your *control*! <8-@

=-=-=-=-Brady Woodward PhD=-=U56503@UICVM=-=u56503@uicvm.uic.edu=-=-=-=-=
  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Longing for the land of long grass...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:29:39 GMT


	*humph*

	It's 10pm and I should still be studying for that exam tomorrow...

	But I don't care anymore... 

	
	Both of the friends I could talk to (about nothing in general) are
busy now -- anyway, I've already talked to both today and will see them
tomorrow in class.  I feel myself slipping... I don't want to.  I've
been so hyper for the past several weeks... I'm rather quite fond of it now.
I'm growing tired, but I don't want to sleep -- sleep makes me so helpless.

	Instead of studying for the past hour or so, I've been thinking
about anything but my studies... it is all flooding back as if it was
high tide and neap tide with a hurricane    [and now he's managed to make
me feel like dirt _once_again_ -- as if he couldn't wait til tomorrow]

	*thunk*thunk*thunk*

	Offers to "come home"... *HA*  as if I'm stupid enough to not see that
they only consider the benifits they'd get and nothing else.  But I can't
explain my reasons to those who I'd really like to know... so they go
on thinking my life is a soap opera (when it feels like a taffy pull).

	I wish for ignorance... and fondly recall how blissful it could be.

	Time to call a plumber... something is leaking all over my keyboard.

		...never mind... 
			
			...it is just my eyes...


	Psycho Kitten

 
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Longing for the land of long grass...
Summary: Life is but a taffy pull... 
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:05:53 GMT


	...and I'm the taffy.

	*UG*  I can't afford to get too upset tonight... I _must_
do well on my exam tomorrow.  But I may have an opportunity to leave
here eariler than expected... 

	While it's hard to do, I can't let myself continue to temper my
action based on what he might/may be feeling.  Sadly enough, I've realized
I never really loved him and we don't have anything significant in common.
=P  Better to only waste 3 years than the rest of my life...

	TTFN
	ang

-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ See me at pecan \ Can I buy a  
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info   \ clue please? 

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: paladin@parker.WPI.EDU (Vaughn Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Random acts (was Re: Call me when...
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:48:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: parker.wpi.edu

tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain) writes:
>paladin@planet10.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike Being...) writes:
>>tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain) writes:
>>>megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>>>>jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu writes...
>>>hey, whats wrong with the periodic reposting of the "random acts of violence"
>>>file?  or did you mean the one that the shiny happy people like to post?
>>	he meant the "Practice Random Acts of Kindness" fromthe shiny happy 
>>  human... gah.... but was that sickening... i don't mind helping people... 
>
>notice, i alluded to the "Practice Random Acts of Kindness" post in my

hmmm... yes... well.. i was also making sure that others knew it... and if not
that they should be thankful...

>>	and i will disaggree with any and all posts about random violence... 
>2. and your statement of disagreing with all posts about randome violence,
>does that mean youd be against one condemning it?

no... my point is about posts to perform random violence.. 

>>  i am not much on planned violence either...
>
>some would argue that suicide is a form of form of planned violence.  if that
>really is the case, i would have a hard time understanding why youd read about
>it for pleasure.

well... the group is interesting... and suicide doesn't nescessarily have to be
violent... it can be just a quiet passing... (till the body is found that is)

>	hmm... would seem this post is somewhat flame-like.  wasnt
>	intended to be.  just trying for some clarification and my
>	overall mood-state is coming through.  sorry, i think?

no problems... no real flames percieved...

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
     Reality	       | " Wouldn't you laugh if your head exploded???  
 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   |   I would."   (Nosage, June 91)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 18:08:50 CST
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: I'd rather be breathing

In article <1992Nov10.070143.15669@u.washington.edu>,
kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) says:

[Mellow and insightful post appreciated]

>Now when I look back at my life, all of the pain and sadness that
>seemed so acute and insistent 'way back when (or even more
>recently) are kind of fading away; my accomplishments and
>acquisitions, modest though they be, tend to remain in the
>forefront of my consciousness.  I still have plenty of problems and
>I'm still sensitive to the pain of daily life, but now I've got
>something else besides all of that; it's not just pain and emptiness
>anymore.  It's pain and joy, and that's like being dealt a whole new
>hand.

I like your point of view that life can be happy without having to fulfill
the wish to banish all pain--that we can be happy in spite of pain and
should not expect to be pain free before we can be happy too.

>anything but bleed and freeze and cry and stare into the rain.  But
>some of us come out the other side, we really do, and we find that
>the past is past, the sun shines on us once in a while, and our
>tormenters finally get tired and leave us alone.

Thanks for not lurking about this important perspective.

>"Life begins on the far side of despair" - Sartre

>Peace.  I'd rather be sailing than thinking about all of this stuff, so

I think you *are* sailing:  sailing on your wisdom.

Brady
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 22:33:37 CST
From: <U56503@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: KHARE
 <92308.150547U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> <ogorman.720998794@unix1.tcd.ie>

In article <ogorman.720998794@unix1.tcd.ie>, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
says:

>Brady,
>
>Follow your own advice huh? I'm sorry man but you are one arrogant,
>ignorant mofo. Please, please get your head out of your ass and stop:
>
>a. Trying to shrink people online.
>b. Being so irritatingly superior.
>c. Being such a dry fuck.
>
>Yes I've tried talking politely to him. Though not recently.

I think Ollie is volunteering to start up the a.s.h.flame group all
on his own.  He's too easy of a volunteer though.  We know he is having
a bad day when he sinks into juvenile anal terminology.  Sigh.
And there was even an Oedipal term too!  I'm impressed.  Ollie, what
happened bad to you in the fourth grade that you like to go back to
that stage of coping so often when you can't control others?

Why do you think it is that some people on this group just *have* to
try and control the ideas and opinions of others?  I think people should
be free to post what they want.  No one had to agree with them.  If they
don't agree, anal terminology is not the only response is it?

Do you think some people's opinions are so fragile that they simply
cannot tolerate an opposing view.  Do some people feel they must
flame every person who does not feel as they do?  Do some people feel
they *own* a.s.h?  Do they feel their ideas are more equal than others?

Brady
>
>Lucifuge...
>
>--
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  SATAN to NEW-COMER: The trouble with you Chicago people is that you
  think that you are the best people down here, whereas you are merely
  the most mumerous. --Mark Twain  (All other thoughts are mine alone.)
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From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: AAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:41:39 GMT

Surely you meant AAAAAUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would hate for anyone to get the wrong impression.

|-)
-- 
Conrad Leviston	 | Got to find a brightness in the soul,
mongoose@yoyo.	 | Not look outside to find out where we are,
cc.monash.edu.au | Otherwise you won't be satisfied, 
Save the gherkin | 'Til you've made possession of the stars. (K.Wallinger)
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From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Subject: Re: Election Day!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:32:51 GMT

Good deal!
--
Phoenix (straight from the a.s.h.es!), euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a 
Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven --John Milton "Paradise Lost"