HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bennett@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Steve Bennett)
Subject: elm2.3 pl11
Reply-To: bennett@areaplg2.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:03:35 GMT

I have compiled elm2.3pl11 using sr10.4 and cc6.9 I get a illegal instruction
trap when I try to send mail. Has anyone seen similar behavior

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# Steve Bennett (bennett@mot.com)
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From: davidy@HWCAE.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM (David Young)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Interviews-3.0 on Apollo ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:37:15 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

** puc.cl!klein.mat.puc.cl!coryan@uunet.uu.net  (Carlos O'Ryan Lira) on 4 Oct 92 02:36:21 GMT
** in [Interviews-3.0 on Apollo ?] writes:

Carlos> Hi,
Carlos> Has anybody compiled Inverviews-3.0 on Apollo?
Carlos> If so, what special flags, files, or whatever are needed?

Carlos> I'm using Domain/OS SR10.4 w/CC.v.2.1

No, I haven't, but with version 2.0 of Hpollo's C++ compiler in the
domain_examples directory, they ship Interviews-2.6 (iv-2.6.tar.Z).
If you uncompress and un-tar this file, you can take a look at the
Imakefile and/or Makefile shipped by HP to get an idea at what you
might need to do...

Carlos> Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: khan@dxcern.cern.ch (Rizwan Ali Khan)
Subject: Problem with extended acl objects
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:23:37 GMT

In the past few months, of and on, we're losing some files with
the error "extended acl object not found for object". ls shows
that the file is there but we cannot read/copy it. ld -a shows
that the rights are "rts??". Salvol, sald, salacl don't help in
any way. Does anyone have any idea as to what causes this
problem? Is there any way to fix it?

Thanks for any help!

Rizwan
khan@dxcern.cern.ch
khan@cernapo.cern.ch
From: PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET (Darrell Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: DDE X-interface, sys 10.4 and DN10000
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:10:30 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique, Lab PMI
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 20:30:29 FRA


   We had been looking forward to putting sys 10.4 up on our DN10000/PRISM
so we can use the dde debugger from non-Apollo machines via the promised
X-interface.  We went from 10.2 to 10.4 on our DN10000 before we were
prepared for it (the system disk failed, and we just jumped).  I've been
poking around trying to figure out what this system does, and it
appears that the dde X-interfaced was ... omitted/disabled/whatever.
Is that so?  If so, why?  I can't find ANYTHING in the release notes
about the DDE being different on the DN10000.

   Evidently, Motif 1.1, dde 2.0 X and the X11R4 server go together.  Because
the X11R4 server was not implemented for PRISM machines, Motif wasn't
upgraded.   If you were only going to use the dde X interface on the
machine's monitor, its omission would make sense.  But that's not how
we use our DN10000, and it doesn't make sense.  Have I missed something?

   Since dde 2.0 was implemented on PRISM and 68X machines together, I can't
see how HP saved much effort in not providing the client-side X-interface
on the PRISM machines.  Unless HP is trying to give us reasons to hang
on to our little 68X Apollos rather than trading them up :-)  (There's
too much invested in our 4-processor DN10000 to trade it in anytime soon.)

   We haven't yet moved our smaller 68X machines to 10.4.  I am curious ...
at 10.4, is there a separate product motif 1.1 which supplies the
dde X interface (/sys/debug/ui/ui_motif), or was it all bundled with the
the operating system release?
                                                    Thanks, Darrell

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran)
Subject: Xdomain startup help needed
Originator: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran)
Reply-To: killoran@ll.mit.edu (Mike Killoran)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:18:05 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to switch from the Xapollo to the Xdomain X window server.
I have heard the Xdomain server is more robust, and since the only 
application I still need the DM for is Mentor Graphics, I can live
with having to 'switch' from the X screen to the DM screen.

I have run Xdomain from the command line after killing Xapollo, and
things seem OK.  I use C-Shift-F9 for X-->DM, and Shift-Pop on the
dmtox icon for DM-->X.

I would really like to use xdm, but from what I read in the 'Domain
O/S System Administration Guide (D-19001-E)', the DM will not run at
all this way! (Xdomain will run in noborrow mode).  This makes it 
inpossible to run Mentor Graphics (which needs DM).

If someone uses Xdomain, how did you set things up so Xdomain runs 
at boot time?  Does Xdomain start in the /etc/rc script?  Mine has
no mention of it, just:

/etc/daemons/X
/etc/daemons/Xapollo
/etc/daemons/xdm

Where 'X' is really Xapollo with X owns root, and xdm is set up so
the server is Xapollo.  I could add my own stuff to the /etc/rc file,
but this is my last option... I'm thinking there's a better way I 
don't know about.

Any help would be great...  This seems like a possible FAQ, but I 
saw nothing.

Mike Killoran
killoran@ll.mit.edu
From: mantegh@APOLO700.GENIE.UOTTAWA.CA (Iraj Mantegh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: (none)
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:29:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: Re: RAID 7 Disk Array Platforms for Apollo
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:33:22 EST

Regarding John Scoggin's request for information on RAID systems for
VINES, Storage Computer of Nashua, N.H. is currently showing its new high
performance RAID 7 disk array platforms at the September International VINES
User Meeting.  SCSI-based, they work equally well with NetWare, workstations
like the RS/6000 and HP/Apollo, for example, IBM systems, etc.

Standards-based, RAID 7 is designed for enterprise-wide computing and
overcomes performance limitations of earlier RAID architectures, providing
a  "real world sustained application performance improvement of 200% to
400%" and dropping the cost of storage to 16 cents/MB.  Their brochures
say they can "mix and match" up to 48 SCSI commodity (3.5 or 5.25 inch)
drives, up to 150 GB.  The RAID 7 disk array platforms come with an embedded
operating system and up to 12 SCSI-2 based host interfaces.  Besides servers,
Storage Computer's RAID 7 disk array platforms can connect to workstations
and midrange systems in addition to IBM's.  Multiple CPUs can be attached to
same disk array platform.

The RAID 7 platforms come with up to 256 MB of cache, eliminating any
reason for using performance-damaging CPU main memory disk RAM.
The drives are "hot plugable" for uninterrupted, transparent operation,
with a hot standby drive automatically replacing a failed drive.

There was a lot of activity this week at the Storage Computer RAID 7 booth
at the Boston Banyan show as I walked by.  They were demoing what happens if
a drive goes down, showing the backup drive taking over.

For further information on Storage Computer's RAID 7 for any system, their
key US contact is indicated to be John O'Brien, Director of Technical
Services at Tel. 603-880-3005 or FAX 603-889-7232.  John Taylor is at the
same telephone numbers; he's the VP of international.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re:  Problem with extended acl objects
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:19:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The "extended acl" is a separate disk object which contains
file access rights that modify/extend the standard Unix access
rights. Each Domain/OS disk object (files/directories/links) that
has access info in addition to the standard Unix protections has
a pointer to an ACL object which contains the extended info. Many
different files/directories can point to the same ACL object (as
long as they have the same extended rights).

Your problem seems to be that one or more of the ACL objects on
your disk has been destroyed/deleted even though you still have
files which point to the ACL object(s). You might be able to 
repair the files be giving them a new ACL object. Try creating a
dummy file with the desired protection rights (or use an existing
file), and then use /com/acl old-broken-filename new-good-filename
to set the damaged file's ACL pointer to point at the ACL of the
good file. I don't thing that edacl or salacl will work because they
are trying to modify an existing ACL object, which doesn't exist
in your case.

== Dave Krowitz
From: kmorgan@ocf.berkeley.edu (Keir Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Registry Woes -- Registry is full !?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 21:23:22 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu
Summary: Registry Full ? !@#$!
Keywords: Registry Full, database store failed

Hi all!

   The OCF has seem to run into an interesting problem -- our registry won't
accept any more person or account entries! Currently we are at 4742 account
entries and if I try to add any person or account entries I get the following
error:

******************************************************************************
1992/09/10. 0:37:54, root.wheel.none.1F291, Domain/OS kernel(7), revision
	10.4.0.2, May 29, 1992 12:56:10 pm 
<RGYD version 1.3, 91/05/02
status 1C040000 (network computing system/Registry Server)

RGY client listener
Database store failed

Fault Status 1C01FFFF: status 1C01FFFF (network computing system/RPC runtime)
User Fault PC   000177DC
D0-D3:          00000000 00000004 3B3D0000 00000000
D4-D7:          00000360 00000000 00000000 00000000
A0-A3:          0004EDC4 3B20BCD0 3B20B420 0004EE1C
A4-A7:          0004EDB4 3B5C997C 3AC35A34 3AC35524
Supervisor ECB  00000000
Supervisor SR   0000
Supervisor PC   00000000
status 1C01FFFF (network computing system/RPC runtime)
In routine  "rs_unix_$getpwent_ssr" line 5
Called from diagnostic frame (00040004) - reference to illegal address
	(OS/MST manager) 
Called from "rpc_$execute_call" line 1785
Called from "execute_call_loop" line 585
Called from "rpc_$listen" line 1023
Called from "start_listeners" line 767
Called from "task_$base_proc" line 640
Called from "pgm_$invoke_uid_pn" line 1003

   Also, as you might expect, after the store fails all the glb registry
objects disappear (checked by /etc/ncs/lb_admin and /etc/ncs/drm_admin).
This problem happens regardless of whether on not I run a slave registry.
I've tried reinitializing the glbd data base (/etc/ncs/glbd -create -first)
, but this still results in the same problem when I try to add an entry. I
even tried changing the family to dds to see if that might do something, but
no dice. I've also recreated the registry from a backup, but again this was
no help. Is this a known problem? Oh, BTW typhoon is a DN4500 with 24MB ram,
so I'm fairly sure this is not the source of my problems. 

Oh, a few other things:

   1) Why does renice say that rgyd is niced -10, while ps says it is niced
      +11 ? What does ps know that renice does not or vice versa?

   2) What does the "-init_buf" option on rgyd do?

Cheers All!

Keir Morgan                 |  U.C. Berkeley's Open Computing Facility
kmorgan@ocf.berkeley.edu    | Unix accounts for UCB students -- if the
kmorgan@UCBOCF.BITNET       |  registry would add accounts, that is!

      
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: DN10k (SR10.4, 1 or 2 CPU) problems: (more) HELP
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:11:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.091727.22550@ucc.su.OZ.AU> szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au (Paul Szabo) writes:
>Some time ago I wrote about our DN10k crashing at SR10.4.P. To test things
>further, I have removed one of the CPUs (leaving it a single CPU system). 
>Then I waited a few days, and voila, it crashed again, this time with stcode
>00120020: the very crash that patch pd92_p0467 is supposed to fix!
>
>In summary: (up until now) it seems as if patch pd92_p0467 would cause my
>system (with one or two CPUs) to crash. (It seemed to crash more readily
>with 2 CPUs.) In particular, the patch seems to have introduced, instead of
>fixed, the crash with 00120020 code.

We haven't had any 00120020 or 00190016 crashes since I installed the
"pgid_fix" version of this patch - looks like the official one is
different than the one I have (which I will continue to use, I guess).

Our system has "hung" several times though, just like the old Ethernet
mbufs problem would cause.
-- 
What are the chances that any HP computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
From: root@pooh.geophys.mcgill.ca (Steeve McCauley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: trouble installing 10.4 on dn4500
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:13:08 GMT
Organization: McGill University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I'm having problems installing 10.4 on a dn4500.  I currently have
the domain_os ver. 10.1 installed.  I have tried to run minst from
the //AA/install/tools directory but I get the error,

Unable to restore release index for OS 10.4

is there something I'm missing here?  Like, can I even do the upgrade
from 10.1 to 10.4 etc etc.

I also tried to install the thing by booting from the cartridge tape,
tape 5 of 5.  I don't have the installation manual for this version
but I assumed it would be similar to that for 10.1.  I tried to run
calendar and invol from the boot tape but without any success.  I tried
the following,

	RE
	[return]
	DI C
	ex calendar

	re
	[return]
	di c
	ex invol

.. nada.

If anyone has any suggestions I would be very greatful -- if i have 
to sit through many more tape retensions i think that i'll go mad!

Thanks
From: howie@voodoo.boeing.com (howie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Need acces to more disk space.
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:01:55 GMT

Anybody have experience adding large amounts of disk space to a token ring?

I need to find viable options to acquire additional disk space.  The solution 
will have to provide a fair degree of transparency to the end user, therefore
FTP does not appear to be satisfactory.

Is NFS a realistic approach?  Are there any good fileservers can connect
directly to the ring?

Thanks very much for any assistance.

-- 
				       howie              

				       howie@voodoo.boeing.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: kumorek@apollo.HP.COM (James Kumorek)
Subject: Re: DDE X-interface, sys 10.4 and DN10000
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:38:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct5.164305.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:
|> In article <BvnL08.9GB@apollo.hp.com>, kumorek@apollo.HP.COM (James Kumorek) writes:
|> > In article <9210042009.AA06686@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, PMIDS@FRPOLY11.BITNET (Darrell Skinner) writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |>    We had been looking forward to putting sys 10.4 up on our DN10000/PRISM
|> > |> so we can use the dde debugger from non-Apollo machines via the promised
|> > |> X-interface.
|> > [...]
|> > There is no X user interface for DDE v2.0 on the DN10000 because HP decided
|> > not to provide Motif 1.1 and X11R4 development environment on the DN10000.
|> 
|> Ah, but couldn't one run dde v2.0 on an m68k Apollo with the X display
|> pointed back at a non-Apollo, then (using the neat but soon-to-die
|> cross-platform/cross-network debugging facilities) debug the program on
|> the 10k?

This is exactly how you would need to do it.

As an aside, the "soon-to-die" part is not currently planned;  It is hoped
that (resources and time permitting) the remote debugging features of DDE
will be implemented on HP-UX for version 3.0 of DDE.  This would be only for
HP-UX to HP-UX debugging, however.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jim Kumorek
Systems Technology Division
Massachusetts Language Lab - Hewlett Packard
kumorek@apollo.hp.com
From: thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (jt -- John Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: re: Need acces to more disk space.
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:06:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pan.199209301606.AA11113
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet



> Anybody have experience adding large amounts of disk space to a token ring?
Please define "large amounts."  This can mean 2GB to one person, and 200GB to
another.

> I need to find viable options to acquire additional disk space.  The solution 
> will have to provide a fair degree of transparency to the end user, therefore
> FTP does not appear to be satisfactory.
> Is NFS a realistic approach?  Are there any good fileservers can connect
> directly to the ring?

Does it need to be in a single volume?  If so, the only Domain 'solution' I know
is to stripe several big SCSI-1 disks together into a single set.  Note that
there is no redundancy here, so you decrease the MTBF for the disk set.  This
also limits you to about 10GB per multi-disk (I can't remember what limits, if
any, Domain has for number of physical volumes, logical volumes, and volume size).
I don't think there are any RAID boxes that act as SCSI-1.  If there are, you
can go that route to get the redundancy while striping.  You still may bump into
Domain/OS limits on volume sizes.

If it can be in several (or many) pieces, then several disks distributed to 
machines on your ring would probably be best.  It also lets more machines handle
the file service that way.

I doubt there are any file-servers that plug into ATR, or that handle the Domain
file system.

NFS-mounting a Unix file-server _MIGHT_ be a solution for you, depending on how
transparent you need to be.  File-types are lost on NFS, so you can't store DSEE
objects, or Mentor7 databases, on an NFS file system.  (You can't store any files
there that aren't of type NIL, UNSTRUCT, COFF (others?), but most people who get 
bit seem to be bitten by DSEE or Mentor.)

Good luck -- hope this helps a bit
-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.windows.interviews
From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: Interviews-3.0 on Apollo ?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:55:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.200921.1823@tolten.puc.cl> coryan@klein.mat.puc.cl (Carlos O'Ryan Lira) writes:
>Hi,
>	Has anybody compiled Inverviews-3.0 on Apollo?
>If so, what special flags, files, or whatever are needed?
>
>I'm using Domain/OS SR10.4 w/CC.v.2.1

I just built IV 3.1 Beta a few weeks ago (Domain/OS 10.3.5, CC 2.1). It's
a bit different than 3.0 but if you want a list of things I had to change
let me know...

                                          -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: afgun@engin.umich.edu (Andrew F. Gunnesch)
Subject: Is it possible to paste into a pad in raw/cbreak mode?
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 13:19:47 EDT
Organization: CAEN, University of Michigan
Summary: Want to paste into telnet session
Followup-To: comp.sys.apollo

Is it possible to paste (DM-paste key) into a pad that has no input
line?  Eg a pad that you're running telnet in that's in raw or cbreak
mode.  It's a real pain to have to open two X-terms, cat the file,
find the relevant text, copy, then paste in another xterm, when I work
in the DM.  I'd much rather be able to just copy out of one pad and
paste into the other like I normally do with edit pads.  Is this
possible?  Does someone have a workaround, or is there just some trick
of the DM that I don't know about yet?

--andrew
-- 
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afgun@caen.engin.umich.edu  |   |  __   __           __    defend to the death
==> Evil CAEN sysadmin <==  |===| |__| |  | |   |   |  |   your  right to  say
 What?  I just work here    |   | |    |__| |__ |__ |__|   it."     --Voltaire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: hoff@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Lawrence T. Hoff)
Subject: Re: iworks sunrpc won't install
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:13:55 GMT

In article <1766@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl> wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) writes:
>
>Sort of like dspst -n //Othernode, ......
>
>A question for Apollo-insiders:
>	Does the SR 10.4 NFS supply all the RPC daemons that are available
>	on SUN's ?
>
>	Willem Jan.
>

Apparently not, at least no yp, rstatd, ruserd, sprayd, walld.
As you pointed out, implementing rstatd would be a Apollo-specific
job. I doubt SUN would be interested in investing resources to do it.

rpcinfo -p APOLLO
   program vers proto   port
    100000    2   tcp    111  portmapper
    100000    2   udp    111  portmapper
    100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
    100005    1   udp    817  mountd


rpcinfo -p SUN
   program vers proto   port
    100000    2   tcp    111  portmapper
    100000    2   udp    111  portmapper
    100004    2   udp    663  ypserv
    100004    2   tcp    664  ypserv
    100004    1   udp    663  ypserv
    100004    1   tcp    664  ypserv
    100007    2   tcp   1024  ypbind
    100007    2   udp   1027  ypbind
    100007    1   tcp   1024  ypbind
    100007    1   udp   1027  ypbind
    100028    1   tcp    667  ypupdated
    100028    1   udp    669  ypupdated
    100029    1   udp    670  keyserv
    100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
    100005    1   udp    712  mountd
    100026    1   udp    726  bootparam
    100005    2   udp    712  mountd
    100005    1   tcp    715  mountd
    100005    2   tcp    715  mountd
    100021    1   tcp    730  nlockmgr
    100021    1   udp   1036  nlockmgr
    100024    1   udp    732  status
    100024    1   tcp    735  status
    100021    3   tcp    736  nlockmgr
    100021    3   udp   1037  nlockmgr
    100020    1   udp   1038  llockmgr
    100020    1   tcp    741  llockmgr
    100021    2   tcp    744  nlockmgr
    100021    2   udp   1039  nlockmgr
    100011    1   udp   1040  rquotad
    100001    2   udp   1041  rstatd
    100001    3   udp   1041  rstatd
    100001    4   udp   1041  rstatd
    100002    1   udp   1042  rusersd
    100002    2   udp   1042  rusersd
    100012    1   udp   1043  sprayd
    100008    1   udp   1044  walld
    100068    2   udp   1045
    150001    1   udp    823  pcnfsd
    150001    2   udp    823  pcnfsd
    150001    1   tcp    826  pcnfsd
    150001    2   tcp    826  pcnfsd



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