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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:37:00 EST
From:         David James <ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET>
Subject:      driver's licence restrictions

Yesterday I became licensed to drive an automobile for the first
time ever. I am much older than the customary sixteen; although
many of my friends thought that deaf people were not allowed to
drive, in fact not driving was an indulgence, or eccentricity,
that circumstances finally forced me to forego.

My license has two deafness-related restrictions: my vehicle must
have an outside rearview mirror, and I must wear a hearing aid
when driving.

The first restriction is expected and reasonable, but I am
somewhat surprised by the second. My profoundly impaired hearing
helps me understand speech if there is no background noise, but
it is quite useless in a car -- the dull roar of the engine
drowns out all other sounds, including sirens, horns, and other
vehicles' engines.

It doesn't really matter, since I wear a hearing aid all my
waking hours in any event. But I'm curious whether anyone else on
the list has such a restriction on his or her driver's license.
Also, does anyone have any opinions or, better still, experience
about whether wearing a hearing aid actually makes any practical
difference in driving?

--David James
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:57:12 -0500
From:         DTAUB1@ITHACA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Teacher asks for help - again

I was just wondering, how old is this child?  Sorry no suggestions, yet.
-Debbie
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:58:15 -0600
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Subject:      RE: driver's licence restrictions

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WHAT STATE (OR COUNTRY) ISSUED YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE? YOU SHOULD FILE A
 COMPLAINT OF DISCRIMINATION.
From: 31babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
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Subject: Re: driver's licence restrictions
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:23:05 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Is being deaf/hard-of-hearing something that is supposed to be 
disclosed when you go for your license.

I live in Michigan, but there are no restrictions on my license, even 
though I was wearing both glasses and hearing aids when I went in and 
got my license.

I *never* wear my hearing aids when I drive.  There is too much noise 
garbage to make it anything even remotely comfortable or useful...

LM

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:02:07 -0600
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Subject: Re: Deaf businessmen/self-employed

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AHHH, YOU ARE RIGHT.  I MISSED THE POINT THAT THE FEASIBILITY OF SUCCESS IN
 BUSINESS WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY A COMMENT ON PEOPLE WHO AR
E DEAF!  THANKS FOR CORRECTING ME.  I SUSPECT ONE RESULT, THOUGH, WAS THAT SOME
 READERS WITH A LIMITED EXPOSURE TO DEAFNESS DID LEAR
N A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT DEAF PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF DOING!
THANKS AGAIN!
JUDY
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:59:25 GMT
From:         Bosco Keown <keown@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      deaf drivers

David:

 It's stipulated that you have to "wear a hearing aid" while driving.
How exactly is the clause worded? Plenty of deaf people can get away
with "wearing" a redundant non-functioning hearing-aid in a pocket,
or stuck to a lapel badge. Personally I'd wear an ear-trumpet on my
head. Makes an unusual and original item of headgear, don't you agree?

Bosco.

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:59:37 MST
From:         lisa bartku <U5471200@NMSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Teacher asks for help - again
              12 Jan 1993 08:52:08 EST from <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

To cathy,
   I was also schooled in a hearing enviroment.  The best thing you can do is
bring in the deaf adults that have "proven" themselves in a society that thinks
"deaf and dumb".  Let him see that maybe he's not the abnormal one in society,
maybe all the hearing people are.  Maybe were the perfect ones, who knows!
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:22:20 -0400
From:         WALLEYE FISHERMAN OF OHIO <DAB4833@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Deaf businessmen/self-employed

Hmmmmm....it is interesting topic and I do know some deafies are
succesful businessmen today so I do not think it is needed to be
hearing to be successful....just hard work and determination will
do. Comments?

David Brown custom lab service major at ntid second year.
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:52:08 EST
From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Teacher asks for help - again

Hi all!

Just checking in with a request.

This a.m. I talked with a mother to ask permission to have a child stay late
and paint on our mural.  The mom told me that the son came home last night
asking all kinds of questions about why he is deaf.  She said he is very
depressed and is angry.  She talked to him about growing up and getting a job
and he say - Why?  No one will talk to me there.  She said don't you want to
have a family?  You will have to have a job to support them.  He said, No.  I
don't want to.  He said that is for hearing people and he is not hearing.

Yesterday we watched a video from Gallaudet about Gallaudet.  Then we talked
about Dummy Hoy.  This is what prompted his mood and questions.

O.k.  Help me deaf people.  What are some things I can do to help him deal with
 these emotions in a positive manner?  I can and will invite some deaf adults
in to the class to talk about their lives and growing up deaf.  What else?

I know some of you may tell me this would not happen if he were in a deaf
school.  That may be the case and may not be.  I would rather think that each
one of us comes to a place where we think about who we are and have to deal
with that person.

So, if you will comment on positive ways to help this kid I would greatly
appreciate it.  And, if you want to take this opportunity to bash mainstream
programs that is fine as well.  I'll read all posts and weigh them.  The
extremity and diversity of thought just allows me to have a more balanced
view.

So, if you have a minute today to invest in this kid (not to mention this
teacher - again) we would both appreciate it.

BTW, my student teacher is sitting here watching as I type.  What an experience
on her second day here.  Lots to learn for the experienced one of us - imagine
what lies ahead for her.  Good beginning, eh?

Signing off  :)

Thanks all!
Cathy
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:16:59 -0700
From:         I See U! <CONLEYJ@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      license restrictions

In recent comments regarding restrictions placed on drivers who were deaf:

In the state of Colorado, the only restriction is that the driver has two
outside mirrors.  By state law from what they tell me, all cars must have one
inside mirror, and one left mirror.  As in effect, Deaf people must purchase
cars with one right mirror.  Often, this is an extra option.  Yet, lately
I've seen many of the new cars come standard with all three mirrors.

Yet, in all of the cars that I have driven, and have been pulled over for
whatever reason (usually my fault), the fact that I did not have a right-side
mirror never was a topic.  It seems to be that the state must place
restrictions, but the officers must decide if they will enforce that
restriction.  As far as I know, it is not LAW to have the restriction placed
on the license.  I will pursue this matter with the local DMV.

There is one issue that I know happens here in Colorado is that is using the
inside light after dark to allow two deaf people to have a normal chat in the
car, just like hearing people do.  Around Boulder, we have done some education
with the local enforcements to explain why we use the inside light.  Yet, once
in a while, a deaf driver will get a ticket for having the light on.  From the
stories that I have seen, most of the time Judges will dismiss it.  From what
I gather, it is permissible for hearing drivers to have the light on for the
purpose of looking at a map or directions.  If after a reasonalbe time. the
officer seems to think that the driver is not looking at directions, but
leaves the light on, the officer can pull that driver over and give him/her
a ticket for having a distraction that could lead to an accident.

josh
conleyj@cubldr.colorado.edu
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:17:32 EST
From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teacher asks for help - again

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:57:12 -0500 <DTAUB1@ITHACA> said:
>I was just wondering, how old is this child?  Sorry no suggestions, yet.
>-Debbie

He is 11.  He will be 12 in May.  He goes to middle school then.  He is one of
our older kids.  I'm also sending a ten year then 11 year old.

Cathy
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:14:14 -0600
From:         /PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM
Subject:      RE: Teacher asks for help - again

 <"JGJD-5596-5445/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>

BEING DEAF AND A FORMER TEACHER, MY FIRST THOUGHT FOR THE CHILD IN CATHY'S CLASS
 WHO IS QUESTIONING HIS DEAFNESS, AND FOR HIS CLASSM
ATES, IS TO HAVE POSITIVE ROLE MODELS WHO ARE DEAF.  I WOULD WORK HARD TO BRING
 IN PEOPLE OF VARYING AGES...HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE, AN
D ADULT DEAF PEOPLE WHO WILL TAKE THE TIME TO TALK W I T H THE CLASS BUT ALSO
 WITH INDIVIDUAL STUDENTS, AND NOT JUST FOR ONE VISIT B
UT RETURNING PERIODICALLY AND ESTABLISHING A WARM RELATIONSHIP.   I WOULD BRING
 IN A DEAF COUPLE AND THEIR CHILDREN, I WOULD PLAN FI
ELD TRIPS TO OBSERVE DEAF PEOPLE AT WORK, DEAF PEOPLE USING SPECIAL ASSISTIVE
 DEVICES AND INTERPRETERS IN A VARIETY OF SETTINGS.
JUDY TINGLEY
From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
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Subject: Re:      RE: driver's licence restrictions
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:20:54 GMT
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In article <DEAF-L%93010716581557@SIUCVMB.BITNET> /PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM writes:
> <"DGJD-5589-6475/36"*/PN=JUDY.TINGLEY/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com>
>
>WHAT STATE (OR COUNTRY) ISSUED YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE? YOU SHOULD FILE A
> COMPLAINT OF DISCRIMINATION.



Oh geez, I don't know if you should go that far! Discrimination?  I think I
told David before that when I was getting my Drivers Liscense I was reading
and they saw me with my glasses on and so now my drivers liscens says I must
wear glasses, I need them now, but at the time I didn't. So like think they
made the assumption that becasue he usually wears hearing aids they decided
that he must always have them on _in?_ and you know what happens when you
assume! :)

Chris :)

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:03:34 -0500
From:         "Esther A. Paris" <esther@RAYSSD.SSD.RAY.COM>
Subject:      Re: _Voyage to the Island_ by R.R.N. (a Finnish Subject Verb
              Object book?)

I'm more than willing to blame the nasty medications I was taking... I was
downright grumpy as I read the book.  You can ask my husband! Also, I'd
like to correct my typo in the subject line: her initials are R.N. as
the author of the book.  (I don't think she mentioned a middle name at
any point in the book.)  Her name is something like (Don't Quote Me On
This) Raija Neiemenen.

Esther Paris
at Raytheon EDL in Marlborough, MA... where it's six days past New Year.
So I'm a little slow on my well wishes... the medication made me sluggish
AND grumpy, I guess!   Ta Ta for Now!
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:45:20 -0500
From:         ELG@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Character Sketch

  Hi Dawn,

   I just joined the DEAF-L last month, I'm impressed with your Character Sketch
   so good luck!  I want to see the film soon, I'm dying. Let me know, thanks

                                                         -Elijah Gold-
From: jk@uctvax.uct.ac.za
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Subject: Driving with deaf drivers
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:53:10 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

To all of you who do not hear so well, or even at all, I say congrats on
having your driver's licence. Many of us are just too lazy , and prefer to 
be driven around. Thank goodness I am not one of those. But I will tell
you how disconcerting it is to drive in a car with a deaf driver. (or at
least I found it so.)

A whole group of us went walking up in the mountains the other day, and to 
save petrol, we all piled into just a few cars. My deaf friend decided she 
would drive her car, and I readily agreed.

Well, she is a marvellous driver, and we had no accidents, and not even any
near ones, but how I do not know.

I found it was very difficult driving when the driver was looking at me 
instead of looking at the road. Angela was such a chatterbox, thet she would
just not keep quiet. I tried to look where we were going, but then she could
not lipread, and she got upset.

After a while she decided to talk to our other deaf friend in the back, so 
down went the rearview mirror, and she was talking to the girl quite happily.

By the time we got to the mountain my nerves were quite shot, and then we 
still had to drive back again!!!

Well, we are still good friends, but in future I think I will drive, or we 
will drive in SILENCE.

Hope this year is a good one for all who read this...
Bye,

Jean

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:16:33 -0500
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From:         "Keith Watt - Gallaudet Dept. of Education"
              <11CWATT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: driver's licence restrictions

>But I'm curious whether anyone else on
>the list has such a restriction on his or her driver's license.

In Tennessee, two mirrors required, no hearing aid.

I think the same in Georgia, but I'm not sure.  I have a friend from
Georgia who mentioned she had to have a mirror added to her new car, but
she doesn't wear a hearing aid.  Whether she's *supposed* to or not, I
don't know.

Keith

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:12:43 -0600
From:         /PN=BRENDA.L.MONENE/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@SPRINT.COM
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 <"BGJD-5591-1625/36"*/PN=BRENDA.L.MONENE/O=DEAFTEK/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.c
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Yes have received this message

B.Monene/Deaftek
From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
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Subject: Happy New Year!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:13:27 GMT
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Happy New Years!

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:03:02 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Deaf businessmen/self-employed

Hi everyone,
I talked with some people about deaf persons who are self-employed.  It
seems that at least in Israel, an essential ingredient for success has
been a normally-hearing partner in the business.

The talk was in context of starting some sort of counselling/self-help
group/grapevines kind of service for deaf businessmen (perhaps similar to
the self-help groups of businesswomen, started by feminist activists
who seek to liberate women from economic dependence upon men).

What I'm asking you is:
1. What is the situation in your country concerning deaf businesspersons
   and what special needs do they have to succeed in their endeavors?
2. Are there any services provided by Associations of the Deaf and/or
   Hard-of-hearing in your area, which are geared toward those who are
   in business for themselves (such as tax counselling, legal counselling,
   help in locating contacts etc.)?  If yes, can you describe what
   services are available?
3. What, in your opinion, is required for a deaf businessperson to succeed
   (over and above any qualities which are required by normally-hearing
   persons)?  How feasible is it to succeed alone nowadays, in the era
   of TDDs and FAX machines?
                                                 --- Omer
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:03:53 PST
From:         Ronald Mitchell <mitch@PLATO.DS.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: driver's licence restrictions

Hi David,

Over the years I've been under various restrictions in British Columbia and
Indiana including rear view mirrors and speed restriction.  Presently, in
Washington State there are no hearing related restrictions.  This extends,
I believe, to commercial vehicles and has come about due to vigorous lobbying
by the Washington State Association of the Deaf.

I wouldn't drive a car without external mirrors and I wouldn't buy one without
dual, remotely adjustable mirrors as I now have.   With my cochlear
implant, I can make out horn and some traffic noises with
concentration but generally switch it off when driving as more of a
distraction than an aid.

Congratulations on your new skill, have fun kid.




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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:20:24 -0500
From:         Cynthia Clark <cclark@CNRI.RESTON.VA.US>
Subject:      Re: driver's licence restrictions
              07 Jan 93 19:24:28 GMT." <9301071711.aa23703@CNRI.Reston.VA.US>

This is a great sense of humor.

Seriously, I think it is more dangerous
for a deaf driver wearing any hearing aid
because it is simply too distracting.

Am I making sense?

Cynthia


---------  Forwarded Message  ------------

In article <DEAF-L%93010709414459@SIUCVMB.BITNET>, David James
<ALAMA10@HUMAIN.BITNET> writes:
>Yesterday I became licensed to drive an automobile for the first
>time ever.

>My license has two deafness-related restrictions: my vehicle must
>have an outside rearview mirror, and I must wear a hearing aid
>when driving.
>
>The first restriction is expected and reasonable, but I am
>somewhat surprised by the second.

>--David James


David,

I wonder about this too.  Suppose a deaf person chooses not to wear and use a
hearing aid.  Then what?  Suppose the police stop a deaf person who chooses not
to wear a hearing aid. Maybe this is a possible senerio:

        Police[speaking but not signing]: Where is your hearing-aid?

        Deaf person[signing only]: Where is your sign language?

        Police[louder]: I said, WHERE IS YOUR HEARING-AID??

        Deaf person[signing louder]: I SAID WHERE IS YOUR DEAF
                                        POLICE OFFICER?

        Police[writes a note and shows it to the deaf person]:
                                Where is your hearing-aid?

        Deaf person[responds in writing]: Oh, I'm sorry it's at
                                the hearing-aid shop being repaired.
From: chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince)
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Subject: Why talk?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:38:40 GMT
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Well I'm just curious, if some/most/any of you Deaf people talk when you are
signing to someone else that can't hear you?

I ask this because this weekend I went to a bowling alley and there was a 
large group of deaf people.  I sat back and watched for a long time when one
of my friends (who is deaf) walked in and noticed me sitting there staring at
the crowd.  He then took me over to meet some of his friends, all of which 
were deaf.  What I noticed is that even when they weren't talking to me they
would speak, while they signed.  I wondered if they were doing this because I
was present, but everyone around was talking while signing.  I thought it was
sorta strange, but interesting.  I wonder if it is part of lipreading? Anyway
it was really interesting to talk with so many people that had no idea what
it is like to hear, and don't even know what there own voices sound like.
I wonder if deaf people from the south have a suthern drawl?  Hmmmm, anyone
know?



Take care all!

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