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From: sbs9276@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Divisional playoffs passer ratings
Reply-To: sbs9276@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:33:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.205522.15783@pixel.kodak.com>, fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown) writes:
>In article <C0pAuv.1wM@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan11.172043.20580@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>>
>>>[As always, e-mail corrections are appreciated.]
>>>
>>>Divisional playoffs (minimum 10 attempts):
>>>Pos Name              Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
>>>--- ----------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----
>>>  1 Frank Reich         23    16   69.6    160   6.96    2  8.7    0  0.0 118.0
>>
>>And Marv Levy says he will put in Kelly as soon as he is healthy. My
>>question to Marv is, why? Kelly has had less than an impressive year, and
>>Reich's playoff performance has been outstanding. Stay with Reich--he's
>>great under pressure. Kelly is terrible under pressure. What would you do?
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
        Are we talking about the same Jim Kelly? He looked poor
late in the season BUT in the big games, Jim is a proven guy (ex
last year vs. Wash.). He has beaten Miami in Miami, SF in SF, and
NO in NO (this year)-- three HUGE games this year on the road. Have you
forgotten who got them to the SB the last two years? He is one of
the greatest under pressure QBs!!! BIG games = Kelly games!!!
>>
>Why take out a proven performer who has a hot hand? I'd give Reich a
>chance in the superbowl(if they make it there) because Kelly has already
>had 2 chances. Levy did say Kelly had to practice all week before he
>played and I dont think he is quite ready for a full week of practice.

        I do like Reich a lot but another fact is that after
Kelly rests for a while during the season (whether due to injury
or winning div early or week off), he always has a big game.
      And the word this morning on the radio is that Kelly will
be practicing ALL week. And that will serve only as an emotional
power up for Buffalo. He is (not Frank) the team leader... there
really is no doubt about it. GOOOOOOO JIM!!!!!!!


>
>Frank
>

                                                      Stephen Schott
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Subject: eagles are Cowboys wannabees
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:19:50 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Well, Well, Well.....

As Cowboys fans bask in the glow of a thorough
trashing of the eagles, my memory harkens back
to this past summer when the anti-cowboys were
predicting doom and gloom for the good guys.
"THe Cowboys will NEVER win the division, they might
not even make the playoffs due to their tough schedule".
"Last year was a fluke".
I can't wait to hear all the excuses of why the Cowboys
have done so well this year and why they will inevitably
fall apart next year.  Even if the unthinkable should happen
this week, the 'boys have improved dramatically this year and
the future bodes well.

The eagles:
Gee, what can be said?  They are one of the most overrated
teams in the NFL.  Looks bad people,  probably can look forward
to losing at least White next year.  Hee Hee.  
See, the key to beeing a blowhard is waiting until your team
has DONE SOMETHING!

Brian
Go Cowboys
Go Baylor
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: More Eagles/Cowboys stuff
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:11:12 GMT


I'll agree with Joe Dakes, this group can be fun this time of year,
particularly when your team is still playing :-)

I think that the key to this game, above all the other things that
get touched on once in a while during all the woofing, may be one
descision by Rich Kotite: Whether or not Andre Waters plays.

You can say what you want about his reputation, the guy may be the
most dominating defensive back since Ronnie Lott. Don't believe me?
Look at the Eagles defensive stats before Andre got hurt and after
Andre got hurt. The EAGLES lost Ben Smith and kept going. They lost
Jerome Brown and kept going. They lost Andre Waters, and something
changed.

Emmitt Smith never gained yards against the Eagles with Andre in the
lineup. And I think that Andre will be the key to stopping him this
weekend. Stop Emmitt and the Eagles can stop the Cowboys. No QB is
safe against the Eagles defense without a running game. Except the
49ers with Joe Montana, but they were the very rare team that can
live by the pass. I'm not sure if they are any more, but I digress.

The EAGLES offense? They'll score points. They have two solid RB's
right now, not just one, they have one of the best deep threats in
the league, and they have Keith Byars. Oh yea, and a decent QB. Any
team that gets to this round of the playoffs can score points.

But back to Andre. It's not just Emmitt. There's also Novacek. In
the first Dallas/Eagles game, I said before hand that Novacek was the
key. That Smith and Irvin would be neutralized, and they were, but
Novacek scared me. Get a film of that game, and you will see Novacek
take a few hits from Waters in the first 1/2, and then in the second
1/2 you'll see him single handedly kill drives by dropping balls in
his hands. Then look at the second game. No more alligator arms. And
Emmitt ran for 160 yards. No Andre Waters.

So I could be wrong, but if you ask me if Andre Waters plays, Dallas
is in for a long day. If he doesn't play, well, I'm an optimist by
nature...:-)

pete clark jr
From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Analysis of Eagles vs Cowboys
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:28:36 GMT
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kschnitz@encore.com (Kevin Schnitzius) writes:

>douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:

Lets get an understanding here, I don't really think Emmit is going to
get 160 yards against Philly.  However, I can't understand how someone can
say, in the same paragraph, Emmit ran for 160 yards, but has never been
successful against the Eagles.

I understand that the Eagles will be focused on Emmit, were they not focused
on him on Nov 1 ?  How could any team facing the Cowboys not focus a big
part of their game plan on Smith ?  Emmit didn't have a record breaking
1st half against the Eagles that day, but the offense was consistent 
enough, and Philly's offense inconsistent enough, to allow Dallas to make
long, time consuming drives.  I know they didn't score a touchdown, but
they wore the Eagles defense down which set Smith up for big gains in the
2nd half.  I also seen Dallas move the ball well the first game, although
the Eagles forced, and capitalized, on turnovers.  This leads me to
believe that Dallas can, once again, move the ball well against the Eagles
on Sunday.  The difference will be turnovers, as I said in an earlier
thread:

  1) If Dallas doesn't turn the ball over more than once.
  AND
  2) Emmit doesn't get hurt
  Dallas will win.



>>Okay, real slow now:
>>   1)  Something happens 2 months ago, but yet as of today it never has 
>>       happended ?

>Try: something happened two months ago so let's learn from it and take
>	steps to avoid it in the future.

That wasn't the point, it did happen and he said it never had.
				
				-Ron
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From: cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook)
Subject: Re: Alamo at Buffalo
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:12:54 GMT

Am I the only one who thinks that the CBS broadcasters demonstrated a
definite lack of class by failing to mention that the Bills' win over
the Oilers (who do have a tendency to blow the big games in the second
half) was the greatest comeback in NFL history?  Even if I were not an
avid Bills fan, I believe I would be annoyed at former AFC men Bradshaw
and Madden, who could not risk hyping NBC by giving more than passing
reference to one of the games that we will all be relating to our
grandchildren some day.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys at Last!
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:50:05 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan11.192308.20102@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>The 49ers COULD NOT run sweeps against the Redskins because of the
>field.  Almost all of Waters' runs were straight up the gut.  The
>field will be worse next Sunday (and 49er fans know that the 49er
>sweep is an often run play - did you see it during the game?).  How
>will Dallas do against a good run defense and a lousy field, where
>it will be hard to run wide?  The game will tell us.

Dallas customarily runs straight up the middle.  Supposedly, this is
because of Emmitt Smith's running style and lack of speed -- he can make
people miss him, but he can't beat them to the corner.  Personally, I
think their wrong, but that's how they do it.  Emmitt also averages
twenty yards more per game on turf over his career -- maybe the Cowboys
should move back to the Cotten Bowl. :^)

Slippery footing could work both ways in Emmitt's case.  He could be
hampered in making his cuts, but the defenders will also be hampered in
trying to react to them.  I think he might have a slight edge because
he doesn't make dramatic changes of direction, just enough to dance
around tacklers.

>Before you judge the 49ers based on the Redskins game remember
>two things:  the Cowboys didn't play on that muddy field and
>the Cowboys didn't beat the Redskins the last time they played.

This is certainly true.  I think a lot of people are overrating the
difference in how Dallas and San Francisco won their games.  Hopefully,
the resodding currently going on will help a lot, though I'm skeptical
that the grass can connect that quickly.

Isn't their anyway to cover the field during the week?  It's hard to
believe that it is so helpless before the elements.

Daniel Welch
----
We're men.  It's our God-given right to watch sports and smut.

			-- Al Bundy
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Sorry...
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:40:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>use it to their advantage.  If their skill was being wimpy little faggots,
>they wouldn't be playing soccer, they'd be selling their services on the
>streets of San Francisco.
>--

Well shit.  Someone seems to have taken offense to my statement above.  I
would therefore like to publicly apologize to all of the people whose only
skill is being a wimpy little faggot, yet doesn't sell their services on the
streets of SF.  All better?  Let's move on...
-- 

Tom Schmidlin
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU
215-758-0875
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:54:10 GMT
Subject: Football anyone?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

I declare an end to the flame war.  This is getting out of hand.

Predicitions:

SF vs WASH - this one will be very tough.  The weather calls for rain on
saturday.  Young didn't look that good against the Lions in the rain, and I
can't help but wonder what is going through his mind knowing Montana is on
the bench and ready to go.  On the other hand, Green may be injured for
WASH and this could open things up a bit.  I'll take SF by 3.

DAL vs PHIL - Philly got a big boost last week from two things: their 
defense and Hebert.  They are playing a team with a defense not as good as
NO.  However, the DAL 'O' is better than NO and will not turn the ball over
as often.  The Philly 'O' is marginal at best.  I'll take Dallas by 7.

SD vs MIA - SD played a 5th place schedule and then drew an easy first
round opponent (I say easy because they play KC twice a year and know exactly
how to prepare).  This will be the big test.  SD may be good, but not that
good.  MIA has too many weapons.  I'll take MIA by 10.

BUF vs PITT - There are so many factors here it is hard to call.  BUF is
banged up, PITT is missing their QB (or if he does start he'll be rusty).
Reich played the game of his life last week.  Can he do it twice in a row?
I don't think so.  If ODonnell starts I give PITT a 50-50 chance.  If 
Bubby starts than I'll take BUF by 13.  With Brister at QB the Bills only
need stop Foster to win.

Montana - he won't want to be a 2nd string next year.  With free agency
on the horizon I look for Joe to go to the highest bidder with a chance to
make the playoffs.  Al Davis loves to spend money.  He took Plunkett and
won with him.  Look for Davis to do everything he can to sign Montana now
that Shroeder's contract is up.

I appologize for the flame war on this network.  Lets try to keep it to
football only for awhile shall we.


************************************************
* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
*                                              *
* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: NINERS WIN a THRILLER (IMHO)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:07:59 GMT

NFC Divisional Playoffs:  NINERS VS REDSKINS (JAN 9, 1993)

FINAL SCORE:  Niners 20   Redskins  13

A game that had eight turnovers, 4 each, but the last TO
by the SKINS cost them the game IMHO. Great D on both
sides and credit to the Niners D for coming through!
YES!
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil (Bob Weisbeck)
Subject: steelers vs bills player match up
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:52:50 GMT

Pittsburg played the Bills in Buffalo this season with the
Bills winning.  My question is what players will be in this
playoff game that did not play in the last meeting.
 
Bills:
1. Kelley is out this time.
    
    

Steelers:
1. Someone was on a drug suspension the last time (Green)?






  Any other differences?


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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Young AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:13:00 GMT

In article <dchou.726360779@husc.harvard.edu>, dchou@husc11.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
>>>Steve Young     28
>>>Barry Foster    24
>>>Emmitt Smith    17
>
>>This burns my ass... and Emmitt's too. Young had a great year but Emmitt 
>>has simply been T-H-E FUCKING MAN!!
>
>Perhaps, in the analysis, the writers also took into consideration what
>the player meant to the team itself.  I mean, unless the person in question
>had just a totally totally unbelievable personal year, then I think the
>writers put quite a bit of weight into how much the team would MISS the 
>player in question were he not there.  You take out Emmitt Smith, you
>still have the fine corps of receivers.  You take out Foster, and with
>Green out, and Graham disappearing, and Bubby to lead them in the latter
>part of the year, and you KNEW who was getting the ball...and nonetheless,
>Foster managed to get all those 100 yard games and be in the running for
>the rushing crown.

Your logic with Foster escapes me, but to continue your logic about "how
much the team would MISS the player in question" : so you take Young out
and the 49ers are mince meat? Many people think Steve Bono would have done
just as good a job as Young. I'm not saying that's true (no one will ever
know), but I just don't think "value to the team" played as big a part in
this award as you might think.

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From: murali@iris.polymer.uakron.edu (Murali Cotah)
Subject: playoffs
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:27:57 GMT

Keywords: 

It is time that the Steelers have been exposed - they are not good to win their division. I hope Steelers lose (badly). My playoff prognosis

1. Miami
2. Frisco
3. Bills
oops the crystal ball has cracked

cotah
From: nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Aikman-bashing
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:15:52 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX

There has been a lot of Aikman-bashing going on, but I say "Let up on him!".

The big hits on Aikman are:
  1) He is unemotional
  2) He doesn't rack up big yardage
  3) He can't come from behind
  4) He hasn't won a playoff game

It is true that he is unemotional, but this characteristic keeps him from
getting rattled in the heat of the game.  Aikman doesn't fold like many
QBs do.
He doesn't rack up the big yardage because he does not need to.  With the
NFL's leading rusher and the NFL's #1 defense, and playing most of the season
with a lead, why in the world would Aikman have to pass much.  This was the
same knock on Terry Bradshaw when he had Harris and Bleier and the Pitt D
at their peak, and was not acknowledged as a great QB until he won 4 SBs
and had to throw for a lot of yardage.
Aikman has not had many opportunities to come from behind.  When he first
started, the Cowboys were getting killed all of the time, then in a short 
time span became a team that was winning most of their games.  It is true
that he is not as explosive and dangerous as Young or Elway, but give him
a chance to pull out more than a few games before counting him out.
He is 1-0 in playoff games he has started.

I believe that Aikman will always be as good as Dallas needs him to be.
If the running games declines I am sure that Aikman will rack up the numbers
that seem to be required in order to be a "good" QB.

Nix
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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: RE: NY Times NFL Computer Rankings
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:11:40 GMT

In article <31DEC92.11454994@vax.clarku.edu>, htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>How are these ratings figured? The NFC rankings look somewhat agreeable,
>but not the AFC. The Chargers have alot of momentum, but who have they
>beaten to rate 2nd place overall?? Houston ahead of Pittsburgh, Buffalo
>and Miami? The Chiefs ahead of the Bills? Come on!

>I'll assume this is someone's opinion and not some computer ranking.

IMHO, it's at least plausible that it's a computer ranking -- here's why: I
think there is a strong "time" componant in the ranking.  Most of the teams
that seem to be overrated (SD, Houston) finished the season strong; while
those that are underrated (Buffalo, Washington, Pittsburgh) went out with a
whimper.  

Anyway, so far their program is even with mine for playoff predictions. 
Saaay... maybe I can sell mine to their competitors!  :^)

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC bEAST
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:38:02 GMT
	<1993Jan4.192441.591@verdix.com>
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drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.005624.16582@psych.toronto.edu> boyd@psych.toronto.edu (Boyd Blackburn) writes:
>>Might I be the first to point out that 3 of the 4 remaining NFC teams
>>come from the same division - the dominant East.
>
>More important is the fact that the 2 NFC East teams that advanced this
>weekend did so on the road.
>
>>Anyone know how common such an occurrence is?  Or how about how common
>>getting two into the final four back when there was only one wild card spot?
>
>Since this is only the 2nd year it's possible, it's hard to say.
>
>As for getting 2 into the final 4, some quick math will tell you that it
>happens every year :).  Now getting 2 from the same division in the
>championship, that's another story.  I believe the last time it happened
>was 1986, when the Skins when to the Meadowlands and Schroeder and Co got
>mauled by the Giants (making the Giants 3-0 against Wash that year).

No.  The last time it happened was 1989, when the 49ers beat the Rams
at Candlestick, 30-3.



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From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: A rara avis of a woof for JPG...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:57:23 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
NNTP-Posting-Host: jpmac.larc.nasa.gov

(It's a slow day at work, so I decided to post this. Part of the
reason for the title is that I rarely woof, but I need to let off
some steam after yesterday's most excellent game! The other reason,
well, read on...)

 Mr. John P. Gloria, you claim that your middle initial stands for Paul just
like me, but I suspect that it stands for Poultry. In view of your pervious
behavior, I hope you don't eat at KFC, or you would be committing cannibalism!
After having plucked and dressed the Eagles, The Metallic and Royal Blue JJs 
are going to show your beloved team for the turkeys that they are! In other
words, Steve (or Joe) is going to feel like that he has been cast in the
sequel to Hitchcock's avian suspense flick! 
Before you squawk, remember that they couldn't beat the Cardinals. Every game
that they've played was close, except for the Falcons! They'll be lucky to
avert a goose egg against the top-ranked defense in the NFL! You watch and
see if the 9ers don't stuck their heads in the mud like ostriches and if the
fat lady don't start to imitate a  canary, and perform the 9ers' swan song 
before halftime! 
Your team better be ready to duck their own fans tossing objects at them! The
Penguin has more class than your team, and Big Bird has more brains than the
9ers' coach! Your eyes gonna to get round like an owl's and then they'll
burst with tears! You and your team are gonna eat crow! After the game, I'm
sure that we wouldn't hear a peep from you until next season! I know that
it's going to be tough to swallow all this, but you have been warned.
You better hope that the punishment come swiftly, so you can go fly a kite in
that windbag of a stadium (Of course, you'll have to go around that giant egg
that your team's going to lay)! The entire point of this post is that your
team's for the BIRDS!


Note: For those affronted by this post, I know a surgeon who does 
sense-of-humor implants. E-mail me for details.


COWBOYS FOREVER!


           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
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