From: cs911157@ariel.yorku.ca (SYED K NAZEER)
Subject: Re: Ahmadiyya (RFD soc.religion.islam.ahmadyya)
Originator: cs911157@c10.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:33:40 GMT


In article <721238739@romeo.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:

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>> Using the word Islam by anybody who is not a Muslim as a means to pass
>> himself/herself as one is unacceptable. I have voiced my concerns about
>> this in news.groups but have seen very little posts in this regard from
>> other Muslims and many from Ahmadis. Please note that people from all
>> religions would be voting in this matter, so it is important that they
>> know how Muslims feel about it. We don't want to wait until that group
>> is created and then complain about it using the name Islam with no
>> right to it. It would be too late by then to do anything. We have done
>> that too many times in the past and it's time to learn from our
>> mistakes. 

I personally beleive that the reason behind "very little posts in this regard from other Muslims" is that most Muslims believe that each and every person has a right to believe in what he/she believes to be the truth and refer to himself/herself in any way that he/she believes to be appropriate.

The reason that the Ahmadi Muslims call themselves Ahmadi Muslims is that they believe themselves to be true Muslims and followers of the true Islam.  No scheme, idea, instrument or meter has been thought off or invented so far, neither will it ever, which can analyse the sincerity that a person holds regarding a certain claim.  He/she who claims to be a Muslim is a Muslim.  There is no way anyone else can disagree because the disagreement will be based on personal intuition and nothing concrete.  If the H





oly Quran can refer to Christians and Jews as 'Muslims' than maybe the true followers of the Holy Quran  could too?  

I would like to quote an episode from the times of the Holy Prophet (pbuh):  I am unsure of the details but I am sure that most will recognize it.

There was a gentleman in the times of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) who was notorious for claiming to be a Muslim when he was among Muslims and claiming to be a Kaffir when he was among them.  And apparently each time that he was caught with some clearly unIslamic activity, he would seek forgiveness and recite the Kalima (the admittance that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his Messanger).  

Eventually, he was caught yet again and was executed despite the fact that he saught forgiveness and recited the Kalima.  When the news of his death reached the Holy Prophet, tears rolled down the eyes of the blessed soul for the entire universe, and he remarked to the person who had executed the man: "Did you reach down in his heart and made sure that he was not telling the truth?"

The point is: since there is no clear measurment of the sincerity of anyone's claim, no retaliation could be directed against them.

Even if the Ahmadis were a bunch of hypocrites, isn't Allah Almighty enough to handle their problem himself?  All retaliation against Mussalma and the tribe that wouldn't pay Zakat were initiated from the Khalifa-tul-Muslimeen of the time who must have done so following divine revelation.  Who, today, can rightfully claim to be a recipient of divine revelation instructing him/her of directing atrocities against the Ahmadis?
 
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>> /M. Saggaf
>>  alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu

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Khurram Nazeer
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