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From: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu (Bruno Wolff III)
Subject: Re: Installing TeX at a "secure" site?
Originator: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:48:56 GMT

From article <16gt78INNfr7@agate.berkeley.edu>, by stolcke@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke):
> In article <1992Aug13.221040.2123@almserv.uucp>, alufml@purple.fnma.com (Francois-Michel Lang) writes:
> |> 
> |> I just received a tape of the Unix TeX distribution from the
> |> Northwest Computing Support Center and handed it over to the
> |> sysadmin folks at my site for installation.  Now they tell me
> |> that they will *not* install it because TeX is public domain
> |> software, which is verboten here.  (Why, given this policy,
> |> we can still use GNU Emacs is another matter...)
> |> 
> |> In an effort to convince the sysadmin folks that installing and
> |> running TeX will not destroy the world as we know it:
> |> 
> |> (1) I'd very much appreciate hearing from anyone who has TeX running
> |> at a site where security is a real concern (e.g., military, defense,
> |> or government "agencies").  If TeX is safe enough for such sites, it
> |> should be safe enough for us!
> |> 
> |> (2) Has anything been written/published showing/arguing that TeX is
> |> indeed safe, and will not introduce the latest and most fiendish
> |> viruses into our network?
> 
> You said UNIX, not PC, right?  So it should be sufficient to tell your
> sysadmin people that TeX doesn't include a single program requiring
> setuid/setgid priviledges.  There is no safety issue here because
> there is nothing a user can do running TeX he or she couldn't do
> using your standard UNIX commands or maybe a C compiler.
> 
> People have become so paranoid about security they don't even stop
> to think what is really at issue.  When this happens to sysadmin folks
> they come up with silly generalizations like "PD software is evil."
> What a pity.
> 
There are some other security issues that are relevant. While unprivileged
software may only be able to do anything the user can do, it may do some stuff
that he wouldn't. For instance if the user has access to files that he is not
supposed to show to anyone, running PD software is a risk.
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: tex v. WP5.1 
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 23:36:20 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Aug19.141628.34189@news.th-darmstadt.de>
schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de writes:

> In article <1992Aug19.030637.19197@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>,>
mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller) writes:

> > I know this doesn't belong here, but I HAVE to say this.  A laser printer 
> > IS a dot matrix printer.  360 dpi is 360 dpi.
> 
> Where do you find an impact matrix printer with 360 dpi?

actually, the Panasonic KX-P1124 can.  in fact, if I remember this right
(and I couldn't find the point in the manual where I saw this, so I may
be wrong here), it can actually do 400 dpi.

> (Just a pet peeve of mine... ;-)  The person who cannot distinguish
> its impact printer output from an HP LaserJet III (with RET) might
> want to check his METAFONT mode definitions for the latter. They are
> clearly distinguishable -- the former is _much_ bolder.

well, I am the person to whom you are referring --- I posted the
comments on this (perhaps among others?).

when you look at the output right out of the printers, yes, there is
clearly a difference.  the difference lies in the fact that the
impact dot-matrix printer (KX-P1124 in this case) uses a plain old
ribbon, which is less consistent than toner, etc., and the darkness
of the print is uneven when examined closely.  once you make a
photocopy of the printout, though, that problem goes away.  then, it
really does get tough to tell the difference.  in fact, some people
have even thought that the copy from the laser printer was, in fact,
the impact dot matrix, and vice versa.....all the rest simply could
not tell the difference, period.

now, if you're limiting the scope of impact dot-matrix printers to
only the 9-pin variety, the I agree with you....it's a drastic
difference.  but if you start looking at 24-pin printers, and a
really good printer driver (in this case, emTeX's printer driver for
the above printer), we're talking about a completely different world.

take a look sometime at the really good 24-pin printers...you'll be
pleasantly surprised.
   --jim

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From: tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Feynman Diagrams
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:01:37 GMT


I'm rather embarassed to be posting this for about the one millionth
time, but where do you find the package for generating Feynman Diagrams
in TeX?  [I've seen this question lots of times but never paid attention
because I don't need it, but a friend asked me, so here I am, hat in 
hand. . . . ]

I poked around the shsu FTP site, but couldn't find it, so if it's
there please give me the exact file name.

Thanks in advance --- Tom


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From: hfaester@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hannes Faestermann)
Subject: Re: german quotation marks in TeX ?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:07:07 GMT

koser@faw.uni-ulm.de (Stefan Koser) writes:

>What about using \glqq and \grqq (German left and right quotes)
>of german.sty?

If you use german.sty you can type just "` and "' - i.e. for the
left quotes a doublequote followed by a backquote and for the right
quotes a doublequote followed by a quote.

	Hannes

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From: kai@kai.nada.kth.se (Kai-Mikael J-Aro)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Don't mathematicians write letters? [laTeX]
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:39:49 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: kai@kai.nada.kth.se

I wrote a LaTeX document with the "letter" style in which I did a few
environments defined by \newtheorem.  In some of those I put \labels
and then tried to refer to them with \ref.  Now I just got undefined
reference warnings when compiling the document.  I played around a bit
and just changing the document style to "report" (and removing the
\heading and \closing stuff etc.) was sufficient for me to get my
references OK.  

I looked in latex.tex and it seems it defines default values for
theorem numbering and does a \refstepcounter as it should and couldn't
find anywhere in letter.sty where this is shut off - it does
*something* with jobname.aux, so it doesn't just ignore the file.

Anyone know what's going on?

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From: gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory Lampshire)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: getting TeXview to pop up on the same page as previous .dvi
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:39:13 GMT



Setup:  Emacs with AUC-TeX.  NeXT-TeX.  TeXview a-9.

Problem:  A usually only work on one document at a time and I am usually  
interested in seeing the results for the page that I am working on.   
Unfortunately,  when I C-c C-p to preview my work (after TeX'ing the doc)  
TeXview always goes back to the very first page in my doc which means I  
must then page forward to the page I was just editing.

How can I get TeXview to open up to the same page in the doc as the  
previous .dvi file so that roughly the same page will be shown on screen  
as was just being previewed?



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From: bultman@dgw.rws.nl (G.W.Bultman)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: gray font voor gftodvi etc.
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:51:37 GMT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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Hi,

I'm having trouble using the gray font, used in seeing the character
descriptions with gftodvi.

I get the following errors in dvips:

>> This is dvips 5.485 Copyright 1986-92 Radical Eye Software
>> ' METAFONT output 1992.08.21:0813' -> mfput.ps
>> dvips: Design size mismatch in font gray.300pk
>> dvips: Checksum mismatch in font gray.300pk
>> <texc.pro>. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

I does create a file though.

I got the gray font files from the dec ftp server.

>>    64 Aug 10 10:15 /users/beonstofstr/bultman/MF/macros/gray.mf
>>   221 Aug 10 07:45 /users/beonstofstr/bultman/MF/macros/grayaps.mf
>>  2881 Jun 22 14:28 /users/beonstofstr/bultman/MF/macros/grayf.mf
>>   276 Aug 10 07:45 /users/beonstofstr/bultman/MF/macros/grayimagen.mf
>>   206 Aug 10 07:45 /users/beonstofstr/bultman/MF/macros/grayimagen3.mf
>>   421 Aug 10 07:45 /users/beonstofstr/bultman/MF/macros/grayimagenlight.mf

Any suggestions anyone???

Thanks in advance,
Gert.

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From: sasjal@unx.sas.com (Julie LaBarr)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Framed Verbatim Across Pages
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:27:56 GMT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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LaTeXers and TeXperts:

We like to display output as verbatim in a boxed or framed environment.
Sometimes the output is longer than one page.  We'd like to have an
automatic way of getting the box to close on the first page and start up
again on the next.  I looked through David Jones' macro index but found
nothing that I could identify as handling this situation.  I'm just getting
back into LaTeX again (after several years) and am certainly not a
TeXpert.  I'd appreciate any insight anyone can give me.


Julie LaBarr              SAS Institute Inc.
sasjal@unx.sas.com        SAS Campus Drive
(919)677-8000 x6700       Cary, NC 27513-2414
From: ilya@riesz.mit.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: ChiWriter->(La)TeX converter?
Keywords: ChiWriter LaTeX TeX converter
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:37:58 GMT
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics

In article <Bsyssz.A42@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> coates@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Tony Coates) writes:
>>I remember that at one stage ChiWriter was going to provide (La)Tex
>>output, but I'm not aware that that was ever more than vapour-ware.  If
>>there is such a thing as a ChiWriter to (La)TeX converter, it would save
>>me a lot of retyping, thanks, so please let me know.
>>	Thanks in advance,
>>							Tony.

I did write such a beast. The only problem is that it is a free stuff, so
I know for sure that sometimes ;-) it won't install and so on. Therefore you 
should use it on your own risk. Give me a note if you can accept anonymous 
FTP or anything else. Ilya
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From: asnd@msr.triumf.ca (Donald Arseneau)
Subject: Re: want full evaluation like \edef
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.163437.12527@news.cs.indiana.edu>, edrbtsn@bigeye.cs.indiana.edu (Ed Robertson) writes...
>The primitive command \edef expands its second arguement before
>assigning it (as a macro definition) to its first arguement.
>However, primitive commands inside the second arguement are not
>executed.
> 
>What I want is a \fulledef, so that
>	\fulledef\temp{\libmac}
>fully evaluates \libmac before assigning it to \temp.  There are obvious
>problems specifying how far to evaluate, so such a \fulledef would
>need to be used with care.

Yes there are obvious problems.  You can make TeX so several levels of
evaluation:

o No evaluation or expansion
o Single expansion to get top-level definitions (can only be applied easily
  to single commands, not to arbitrary token lists)
o Complete expansion without processing of unexpandable tokens.  Since
  assignments are unexpandable they are not processed.
o Complete evaluation of tokens to produce a `list'.  If you want anything
  more than expansion, this is the only option.  Here is how to do it:

Instead of \fulldef\temp{\libmac}, use
\setbox\temp\hbox{\libmac}  % or \vbox

And to use \temp, use \unhbox\temp or \unvbox\temp.

If that isn't what you need, you will probably have to reevaluate your needs.

Donald Arseneau             asnd@reg.triumf.ca
From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: TEX and LATEX
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:33:54 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility


	I can't seem to find the answer to this from the FAQ.
	I have PCTEX on my PC and have now a postscript laser
	printer.  I know I can get the drivers from this from
	the applicable site.  However, they are to be 
	compiled with LATEX and not TEX. I also have LATEX.TEX
	and LPLAIN etc which are supposed to allow you to compile
	using LATEX.  If so, can anyone tell me how this is
	done?

	
	Also, what I ftp'ed were the dvitops from ymir.claremont.edu.
	I copied all the files with dvitops.* but I think the only
	one I need is the dvitops.tex and then I am supposed to
	compile this.

	Hema
From: "Phillip E. Parker" <PPARKER@TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Scientific Word
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 11:59:15 CDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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Our department is evaluating it for use by faculty and staff who do not
know TeX. So far it looks as if it will work, and we currently plan to
negotiate for a site license. It seems clear that we should at least get it
for our secretaries, but we hope to be able to afford it more widely.
    It is exactly what it claims to be: a WYSISWYG front end for LaTeX.
It comes with it's own copy of LaTeX, but that can of course be replaced
by your present version if you wish. We have not yet tested it for
compatibility with NFSS, but I would not expect it to work. When LaTeX
2.1 appears, presumably they will upgrade.

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From: dhosek@linus.claremont.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Distribution: comp
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:04:23 PDT

In article <PERHAM.92Aug10173029@perham.nada.kth.se>, perham@perham.nada.kth.se (Per Hammarlund) writes:
> Style file problems: I am writing a contribution to the International
> Journal of Modern Physics C.  They supposedly accept LaTeX files, but
> I cannot find a .sty file that match their formatting demands...  Does
> anyone have a clean style file that implements the ijmp formatting?
> (I am not interested in a TeX file where things have been done that
> hard way, I have those already.)  I would also be interested in a .bst
> file for bibtex that produced a .bbl file according to ijmp.

It's an important enough point that I'll make it publicly:

You don't need their style file to produce a submission for their
journal if they accept LaTeX input files.

Actually it's important enough that I'll say it twice:

You don't need their style file to produce a submission for their
journal if they accept LaTeX input files.

And once more in uppercase:

YOU DON'T NEED THEIR STYLE FILE TO PRODUCE A SUBMISSION FOR THEIR
JOURNAL IF THEY ACCEPT LaTeX INPUT FILES.

If your document strictly decribes things in terms of structure
and not in terms of appearance, they will be able to change some
lines before \begin{document} and have it formatted
appropriately.

Also, the most appropriate place to request a LaTeX style for a
given journal is from the journal itself. One can be relatively
certain that they have a copy, no?

The same goes for BibTeX, only more so.

-dh

Don Hosek                  
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From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: tex v. WP5.1
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:18:46 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Aug19.030637.19197@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>
mueller@schaefer.UUCP writes:

> In article <714102154snx@n5ial.chi.il.us> I wrote:

>> [I] make a photocopy of my printer's output (to take care of
>> the fact that the darkness isn't 100% uniform), and you basically can't
>> tell which is which [....]
>> [....] and those who refuse to believe that my documentation was
>> printed on a dot-matrix printer, period.

> I know this doesn't belong here, but I HAVE to say this.  A laser printer 
> IS a dot matrix printer.  360 dpi is 360 dpi.  The photocopying to make the
> darkness uniform (assuming that it is a high quality copier) should make the
> outputs fairly indistinguishable.

true.  and yes, that isn't as well-known as it should be.  but there are
still issues involved that make it less common for a impact dot-matrix
printer (better?  :-)  ) to have the same print quality as a laser.

for the remainder of this post, when I refer to a ``dot-matrix''
printer, I refer to the impact variety, as opposed to the laser
variety.  I do know the difference, but I generally use the term
``dot-matrix'' in its more common sense, referring to impact printers.

fact is, most of the impact dot-matrix printers don't have that kind
of resolution, and on top of that, outside of the TeXnical community,
most people don't have drivers that even drive their printers anywhere
close to what they can do.

thus, the simple fact that most people consider dot-matrix (again,
impact-based) to be vastly inferior to even the desktop lasers, which
default to a higher resolution w/o the extra effort.

of course, once you look at the really high-end laser printers, the
comparison dies completely, but that's another issue.  actually, from
what I've gathered, 300 dpi (HP LJ IIID) isn't really all that good
for a laser printer, but then, it also doesn't take a cooling system,
raised floor, and half of a decent sized room, either.  :-)

on to the next post on this issue....  :-)
   --jim

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From: roegel@loria.fr (Roegel Denis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: german quotation marks in TeX ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:41:01 GMT
Organization: CRIN (CNRS) Nancy - INRIA Lorraine

Hi all,

This is a very easy question. I would like to typeset the german quotation
marks, the first beeing left down, the last up and right. 
 
It looks something like         
                           Hallo"
                          "
I could of course use " and lower it to get the left mark, but I wonder if
this has already been defined, especialley by german TeXnicians. All what I 
found was to use `` and '' within the Fraktur font defined by Haramboulis.
Is there a better solution ?

Thanks in advance

Denis  INTERNET e-mail: roegel@loria.fr
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From: gyan@unixg.ubc.ca (Gyan P. Sinha)
Subject: Re: emTeX and Windows 3.1
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:43:26 GMT

In <1992Aug19.163446.15088@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> bruce2@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Bruce Watson) writes:

>I am trying to run emTeX in a DOS window under Win 3.1 in 386 Enhanced
>mode. I get the message "DPMI not supported". Is this an emTeX or
>Windows message and what does it mean? Is there a workaround?

>Sorry if this is a FAQ.

>========================================================================
>Bruce Watson                        ||          bruce2@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
>Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics ||        bruce2@riemann.math.mun.ca
>Memorial University of Newfoundland ||           BWATSON@kean.ucs.mun.ca
>St. John's, NF, A1C 5S7  CANADA     ||                 
>========================================================================

The message means that emTeX (386) is not a DPMI compliant program, which
is a convention about how memory hungry DOS programs get and manage the
"unconventional" memory they need. Thus, Windows will not let it run in
the DOS box. There are two solutions;
(1) Run it in native DOS.
(2) If you must have a fast 32-bit TeX in a multi-tasking envirornment,
    run it under OS/2 in an OS/2 window. If I have got this right, the
    same executable should run in an OS/2 window. If I goofed, I know
    there is a 386 TeX for OS/2. Either way you are covered. Note that
    you will not be able to run the program in the DOS box under OS/2
    for the same reason, but that is irrelevant.

I'm afraid your simultaneous quest for multi-tasking and a fast, free
TeX means you'll have to switch OS's. In my opinion its well worth it.

Gyan P. Sinha
UBC, Vancouver.
From: mroth@afit.af.mil (Mark A. Roth)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Scientific Word
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:26:19 EDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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There is a review of Scientific Word on page 85 of the August, 92 issue
of IEEE Computer.
From: koser@faw.uni-ulm.de (Stefan Koser)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: german quotation marks in TeX ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:18:51 GMT
Organization: FAW (Research Institute For Applied Knowledge Processing, Ulm, Germany)

What about using \glqq and \grqq (German left and right quotes)
of german.sty?

Stefan.