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From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:18:59 GMT

In article <XX1NoB5w165w@eisley.akita.com> wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood) writes:
>kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>
>> Are you willing to trade me the right to ingest, trade, synthesize, cultivate
>> broker, sell, import, export, buy, invest, breed, optimize, and/or explore
>> drugs of all sorts in return for the right to do the same (pick appropriate
>> legal-sounding laundry list) with firearms?
>
>     I'll take this offer but only if you throw in a complete removal of 
>forfeiture and the RICO laws.  So how about it?

Done!  IMO forfeiture and the RICO laws are an egregious set of mischief.
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
From: major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Militia (was: Results of I 590)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:20:12 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.
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>> (description of the State Militia.......)

  Lindberg: 
> Are you trying to say that the meaning of the Constitution should change
> if we start using a term differently?

  Not!

  Swoosh!  Went right over your head, didn't it?
 
  The difference between titular terminology as applied by various states
  to describe their internal organization is to subscribe the generic term
  'militia' in whatever the accepted usage and use the term to describe 
  their "Militia".   Let's not be strict constructionists when it comes to
  the use of titles and whatever their origin.  

  The former Soviet Union during the age of Stalinist-Leninist doctrine had
  no internal police force, as such.  Under Marxist-Leninist theory, crime
  would disappear, therefore, there was no need for a police force, therefore
  there was none.  However, crime did flourish, so a 'police agency' had to
  be instituted - but they couldn't call it a police force - so they called
  it The Militia.   

 
   
  
-- 
Mike Schmitt - Disclaimer: These opinions are not my employer's.  My opinions 
are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  If you don't like it - get out of my country.   
"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:44:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.154749.2222@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>>
>For a start, we can make it legal for a person to grow marijuana
>for their own consumption (the same as its legal to make beer and
>wine now).  The idea that a person can have his/her home and worldly
>possessions confiscated and their lives ruined simply because there
>is a plant growing on their property is an obscenity.

Not to mention unconstitutional.

>
>>Don't we already have enough trouble with Alcohol without adding more
>>choices?
>
>We have less trouble with alcohol now than we had during prohibition.
>

Tobacco results in more deaths and permanent injuries and yet the federal
government subsidizes the industry to the tune of billions a year.

Marijuna or tobacco, get the govt out of it and let those who choose grow
their own.

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: peterk@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Yet another difference between Switzerland and the US
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: pnw 
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:47:14 GMT

In article <3122@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
(Robert Sipe) writes: 

>I don't know what everyone is raving about re: chocolate made in Europe. 
>There is a candy factory in Issaquah that turns out a pretty fine bit 
>of convection that tastes so good they charge 'bout $25.00-30.00 per lb. 
>I think a  6 oz. box was $12.00. Sorry I can't remember the name of the 
>establishment.

It's called Boehm's. The late owner was an Austrian who decided he'd
rather live in the U.S. than under Hitler. He *really* knew how to make
chocolate. I believe that in his will he left at least part of the
business to his employees so that the craft he taught them would remain
in the business.

By the way, you don't have to go all the way to Issaquah to get their
candy, though the factory itself is fascinating to see. They had a store
at 65th St. and the freeway last time I checked.

The candy is expen$ive, but worth every penny. 
-- 
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From: bressler@iftccu.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Results of I 590
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:28:55 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group

/ iftccu:seattle.general / monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan) /  8:46 am  Jul 15, 1992 /

>All you need to do is compare the number of deaths by guns in Seattle and
>Vancouver, B.C., two comparable cities, to become convinced that they are
>doing something right and we are doing something terribly wrong.

Actually, if you happen to be white and middle class, the study showed
you to be a bit safer in Seattle.....

Besides, in my opinion comparing ANY rates of violence across cultures
is probably futile.  All the information I've seen indicates that
cultural attitudes have much more of an effect on violence than the
selection of tools available.

If firearms are so dangerous, how come cars account for far more deaths
than firearms?  (There are more firearms than cars in this country last
time I checked.)  This is even counting the INTENTIONAL misuse of
firearms.  Accidental deaths from firearms have been declining for
decades.  If firearms were inherently more dangers than cars, I would
expect to see the opposite.  Accidental firearms deaths are around
1000-1200 per year.  To put that into perspective, about 1000 people a
year die by poison gas, 3000 or so drown in swimming pools and about
1500 die of choking on their own food.  There you have it.  If you want
to save (innocent) lives, outlaw the possession and consumption of food.

Another point to keep in mind, is that a lot of the 'crimes of passion'
that another poster mentioned involve situations such as a woman being
beaten to death by her husband.  She decides her best chance of survival
is to fight back, sometimes (if she is lucky enough to have one and know
enough to use it) with a gun.  The FBI lumps these into the category of
'loved' one.  Keep in mind that unless the victim happens to run into a
serial killer, it is likely that they will know their killer.  Even
criminals ripping off each other's stash and drug dealers know each
other.

Far fewer 'innocents' are killed by firearms than HCI would have you
believe.

Far more crimes are prevented, deterred or aborted by firearms than most
people believe.

Rick.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.223518.7534@apex.com>, chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:
> Actually I am somewhat in favor with the elimination of drug laws.
> But only if ALL drug laws go as well as ALL publically funded support systems
> for the chemically dependent.  Anyone who wishes to use drugs, including
> alcohol is welcome to, but don't force others to pay for it.

Don't be silly.  In that case, drug users would simply continue to
steal to pay for their habit.  They'd eventually end up in prison for
stealing, and the costs of keeping them locked up in prison (and
processing them through the legal system) would be greater than the
costs of the publicly-financed programs that would keep them out of
prison.

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Hospital Wrist Bands - Where to Find?
Followup-To: seattle.general
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:39:40 GMT

Does anybody know where I can purchase a quantity of those
plastic hospital-type wristband thingys? The wrist bands that
I'm looking for have a white writing surface on one end of
the band and a plastic snap on the other end. Crude ASCII art 
follows:

     +----------------\
     | writing        +-------------------------------------
     | surface                   o    o    o    o       0   |
     |                +-------------------------------------
     +----------------/

where the "o" represent holes in the band and the "0" represents
the plastic snap.

Any pointers would be appreciated. I've already called 7 
medical supply houses. They either didn't understand what I was
talking about, didn't carry them, or said that only hospitals 
stock the bands. One supply house suggested I buy them directly
from a hospital. Unfortunately, I didn't win the Lottery, so I
can't go that route. :-)

BTW - I'm looking for about 100-200 bands. Color isn't 
important, although I'd like the bands to all be the same
color.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

-- 
Cal...                        "By analysis of usenet source, 
                               the hardest part of C to use 
 jewell@Data-IO.COM            is the comment."
 ...!uunet!pilchuck!jewell       -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crd.ge.com)
From: hochberg@misty.boeing.com (michael hochberg)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Late Night Coffee in Seattle?
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:16:53 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

There are places that stay open late serving coffee, but chances are they
will not be within easy walking distance.  It's too bad, because I like
all-night diners and coffee-shops, but I'd rather walk than drive.

Try Winchells on 45th.

Mike
From: wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Summary: Let's make a deal!
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 03:44:04 PDT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:

> In article <XX1NoB5w165w@eisley.akita.com> wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood) w
> >kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
> >
> >> Are you willing to trade me the right to ingest, trade, synthesize, cultiv
> >> broker, sell, import, export, buy, invest, breed, optimize, and/or explore
> >> drugs of all sorts in return for the right to do the same (pick appropriat
> >> legal-sounding laundry list) with firearms?
> >
> >     I'll take this offer but only if you throw in a complete removal of 
> >forfeiture and the RICO laws.  So how about it?
> 
> Done!  IMO forfeiture and the RICO laws are an egregious set of mischief.

     Worse that mere mischief I'd say, but you should have held out I was 
willing to throw in the dismantling of FEMA.  



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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Subject: Re: gun access/control questions
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
	<kkt.712197232@milton> <1992Jul27.170037.326@jazzie.com>
	<kkt.712276027@milton>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:57:42 GMT

In article <kkt.712276027@milton> 
kkt@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Scheible) writes:

>
>   A reasonable fear, but I really don't think small arms are going to do
>   much against tanks, bombers, poison gas, and artillery... none of
>   which are among the arms the people can keep and bear.
>
>   To succeed today, a revolution would need to be essentially
>   non-violent, like Eastern Europe, or got lots and lots of real weapons
>   from the outside, like Afghanistan.
>

So you're saying that the Constitution was meant to protect our rights
to keep and bear tanks, bombers, poison gas and arty right???!!   8^)

I think the main problem is the framers did not anticipate the
degradation in our respect for one another's rights AND did not
anticipate our politician's lack of guts to act.
--
Neal C. Johnson		INTERNET: neal@atmos.washington.edu
                 	UUCP:	  uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!neal
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: sds@jazzie.com (Sean Shapira)
Subject: Re: gun access/control questions
Summary: Centralized storage makes for easier confiscation.
Keywords: guns, confiscate, militia, Bill of Rights, overthrow, totalitarianism
Organization: Jazzie Systems, Seattle, Washington, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:00:37 GMT

In article <kkt.712197232@milton> kkt@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Scheible) writes:
>What I'd like to see is all guns stored where it took some time to get
>at them, say in a gun club.  I [realize] this makes them useless for
>self-defense

Unfortunately it would also make them easier for a government leaning
towards totalitarianism to confiscate.  The intent of a well-regulated 
militia is to assure the means to overthrow an oppressive government 
remain widely distributed among the population.  Thus the word "keep"
in the phrase, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms."

This may sound either revolutionary or antiquated, depending on your 
point of view.  But the authors of the Bill of Rights considered the 
possibility of a totalitarian government coming to power a real and 
present threat.  

What I don't understand is why the gun control advocates don't flat-
out propose repealing that pesky second amendment?

*   A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security 
*   of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear  
*   arms, shall not be infringed.
-- 
Sean Shapira        seans@microsoft.com        sds@jazzie.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Distribution: pnw
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:09:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.141840.2449@Happy-Man.com> Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com writes:
>In <1992Jul28.060644.846@u.washington.edu> davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts) writes:
>
>[writing about the suggestion that all drug laws be wiped out]
>>Don't be silly.  In that case, drug users would simply continue to
>>steal to pay for their habit.  
>
>Not so!  Without drug laws, a days worth of cocaine or heroin might
>cost a dollar.  There would be no need to steal, since a few
>minutes' begging would yield enough for the day's food and drugs.

Assuming that you can find someone willing to manufacture them.
What reputable drug company would be willing to sell cocaine/heroin
even if it was legal.  Imagine the product liability costs.

Why would they be cheap.  The companies would charge whatever the
market would bear.  Look at what they charge for drugs people need to
stay alive, much less recreational uses.
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: FYI: Auto Insurance Coverage Misconception
Keywords: insurance
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:02:52 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Jul22.143803.1054@tc.fluke.COM> jeep@tc.fluke.COM (Dale A. Chaudiere) writes:
/My wife and I drive older restored automobiles so for the last 18 yrs. we
/have carried only liability, personal injury, uninsured/underinsured,
/comprehensive, and towing on our cars.  We both have perfect driving records
/Conclusion: State Farm does not offer coverage that fully protects you for
/damages caused by others without paying for collision.
/P.S. They claim this is an industry standard.
/Any comments?  How about your insurance company?

I have State Farm insurance for everything, through C. Kern in Renton.
Normally, I have gotten excellent service from them. But at one point, they
did balk at insuring my Ferrari. I had to (very tactfully) point out how
many years I had been a customer, and that I had spoken highly of State
Farm to my friends. They got the message, and insured my car.

It seems to me that if you have been with them and clean for 18 years,
that you need to (again, very tactfully) point this out. If that fails,
you are probably talking to the wrong guy. Try talking to his manager,
etc. If all that fails, cancel your insurance and do business with someone
else. But when you do cancel, please be sure and write a letter explaining
why to the CEO of State Farm. CEO's of successful companies pay attention
to such letters. And I do know that State Farm is hurting for business
at the moment...

P.S. They will ignore letters written with profanity. A nice, polite letter
is much more effective.
From: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Yet Another N. Seattle Mechanic Request (YANSMR?)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:06:25 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <2871@voodoo.UUCP> jdt@voodoo.boeing.com writes:
>    I asked last week about Toyota mechanics in North Seattle.
   [stuff deleted]
>
>    Anyway, here's another one for y'all.  I believe I need a
>transmission shop in N. Seattle, unless the wisdom of the net can
>fathom this one.  Pulling out of a gas station last night, there was a
>resounding clunk!, and suddenly we had no gears. 
   [stuff deleted]

   Maybe another mechanic isn't the answer, maybe a new car dealer is!
-- 
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From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Government grants privileges? (was: Re: DWI)
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:51:13 GMT

In article <69020011@misty.boeing.com> hochberg@misty.boeing.com (michael hochberg) writes:
>In response to David,
>
>I agree, the people grant the government power in order to protect us 
>from endangerment (the police, as you say, is a fine example of this).  
>
>However, making DWI, (which is one citizen recklessly endangering 
>the lives and property of others) illegal is within the powers
>we granted the government.
>

No argument from me on this one.  I draw the line, however, at
police roadblocks and "open container" laws.

-- 
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dan@dyndata.uucp (Dan Everhart)
Subject: Les Mis ticket swap
Reply-To: dan@dyndata.com
Organization: Dynamic Data & Electronics
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:40:43 GMT

We have two tickets for Les Miserables which we want to trade for two
"approximately as good" tickets on a different night.  Ours are August 
22 (saturday), center balcony row R, seats 3 and 4.  If you are
interested in trading, please email or leave a phone message at the
number below.

--
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  \_/ \____________________________          206-743-6982, 742-8604 (fax)
  / \_/                                      7107 179th St SW
  \_/    Dynamic Data & Electronics          Edmonds, WA 98026, USA 
Newsgroups: uw.forsale,seattle.general
From: jaeho@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jae Ho Shin)
Subject: tektronix 4015 terminal for sale.
Reply-To: jaeho@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:22:13 GMT


	* Tektronix 4015 terminal for sale. 

	asking $100 obo.

e-mail to jaeho@u.washington.edu
From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Elan Morin Tedronai)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Late Night Coffee in Seattle?
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:13:57 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <69020010@misty.boeing.com> hochberg@misty.boeing.com (michael hochberg) writes:

>There are places that stay open late serving coffee, but chances are they
>will not be within easy walking distance.  It's too bad, because I like
>all-night diners and coffee-shops, but I'd rather walk than drive.
>
>Try Winchells on 45th.

Or, maybe try the Cafe Paradiso, I think it's on Pike about
two blocks East of B-way.  Cool Place.

--
Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 
Seattle University ----------------| |---------  Wolf's Eye,
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |---------  than cross an
USA 98122 -------------------------| |---------  Aes Sedai."

          "If it's not Scottish, It's *crap*!"

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Human Rights?
Keywords: human rights; constitutions; declarations
Date: 26 Jul 92 08:17:03 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Totally Unorganized


I just saw on Ch 9 (Local PBS station) a thing on Universal Declaration
of Human Rights (Sunday, 00:30AM - 01:00AM).  Picture of booklet
symbolizing this had the UN symbol.  They seem rather utopian - no
mention of rights to any means to ensure these rights, other than pleading
to a governent for redress of grievances.  What to do if gov't ignores
requests was not mentioned.  Also mentions rights GRANTED by the document
- aren't rights pre-existing, and only RECOGNIZED by governments (some
to a lesser extent than others)?  Otherwise this would imply that NO
rights exist unless a document (such as this one) SAY they do...

Also, there is, no mention of any rights of personal defense, or the
means to accomplish this (either from the gov't or smaller time thugs)...

Anybody know anything about this - is this some sort of 'New World Order'
type of thing, reminiscent of the 'Newstates Constitution' that was
bantied about awhile back, or just something to make noise?

Just curious as to what is up, who hatched this thing, who supports it
and so on.  It appears to be one of these things that sounds a lot better
on the surface than it does on closer examination, including a bit
of reading between the lines...

-- 
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