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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:47:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23816
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>> Strays are pretty uncommon nowadays.  I've taken a few in and
>> trained them, to find them homes.  It's very easy, you should try it.
>>
>> Something not supported by the humane society.
>
>Wrong again.  Local example: the humane society takes in strays,
>shelters them at the city shelter, provides vet care, grooms them,
>trains them, finds them homes.

Well, for example, the humane societies around me specifically
do not train, and refuse even an offer of training,
because, as the head explained, it's a waste of time.

Second, they don't find them homes, they kill them.

A friend of mine owns a really nice pet store, where in fact I got
my Dobie.  The few dogs they have are in large pens where they
can socialize with other pups and with people.  Always clean, vet
care, etc.

He gets dogs from local people who have pups they want to get
rid of.  Some times of year there are no pups around, and he
runs out.  So he asked the humane society if he could take some
of theirs.

You know the answer, of course you can't.  You might sell them
to unsuitable people.  People like me.

The humane society is not interested in the dogs.

They are interested in dontaions.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: B & E
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:08:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.082931@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov> z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov  writes:
>I was the victim of a break in at my house last week.  I have two dogs
>golden retriever/? and black lab/?.  They have access to a fenced in back
>and side yard and the basement.  The guy broke in upstairs and took TV,
>camera, lenses etc.  The gut did not go into the basement because of the
>dogs.  SO he didn't get my stereo, vcr, cd player, etc.  But more important
>than that is we got a discription of the car and man because Ginger and Capers
>were seriously barking and growling and the neighbor looked out the window to
>seee what was causing the commotion.
>
>The biggest benifit to me has been I've been able to sleep at night because
>I know the dogs are there and if the guy comes back I'll know before he
>gets into the house.  
>
>I'm not taking sides in any guard dog vs companion discussion.  I just wanted 
>to share the real expirience of how my 'MUTTS' have helped me.  I don't 
>know that they'd stop anyone from hurting me.  I do know they are protective
>of me and their territory.  I don't want to be in the situation to find
>out what else they would do.  I am happy to know they will warn me of
>anyone trespassing.   
>
>Everyone has to decide what the reason or need for the dog in their life.
>I know if my dogs never do anything else for me they have done enough.
>Not really true .... the house would seem dismally empty if they weren't 
>their when I come home.

I really liked this story so I thought I'd through my $0.01 in.  It seems
that there is a difference between a *guard dog* and a dog who is protective
of his/her house, pack, etc.  When I have to do enzyme preps, I come home around
3 or 4 in the morning for about a week.  Beamer, who is in the bedroom with
my wife with a gate accross the door, is usually aware of my absence and sleeps
very little until I get home.  However, one day I came home very late (around 5am)
and I appearantly woke him up when I opened the door.  He went into such a rage
growling and barking and scratching at the gate that if I did not know better, I
would have thought I accidently went in the wrong house.  Not until Michele got up,
and she was not sure it was me with the ruckus going on, and turned on the lights 
and then calming Beamer down, was I able to go into the bedroom.  Although I was
somewhat dismayed at first, I was glad to know that if someone who wasn't me came
in the house in the middle of night they would probably get the same reception and
I doubt they would stay around very long.  He has since learned to climb the gate
when he really wants out so I hope that never comes up.  He is not guard dog but
he certainly warns us of anything unusual going on aroung the house.  Thank God for 
Dog :-)
				--Michael Buening
				internet:mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu
From: jodi@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jodi Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Breed/Puppy Questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:37:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


Forget to mention in my previous post that I'm
also interested in Basenjis. Their lack of
barking, easy-care coat, and deer-like energy
seem intriguing.

Anyone have experience with Basenjis? How hardy
are they as far as running or going for long hikes?
How well do they take cold weather? (I live in
Colorado, but we do have a dog door so the pets can
get inside anytime).

Thanks for any advice. Please email
to jodi@fc.hp.com.

--Jodi Peterson
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Raising dogs vs. children (was: East Bay Regional Parks...)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-5877]: zeus
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:32:08 GMT


IMHO:

The primary goal in raising a child is to instill a sense of morality,
whereas the goal in raising a dog is to make the dog willing to please
and to make the dog understand that obedience is not optional.

If you try to give a dog a sense of morality, you will only confuse
it, and if you try to "train" a child by ignoring the child's
motivations, capability to take responsibility and remorse over his or
her actions; you will raise a child that has no morality.  In short,
the child will only behave (as a child or as an adult) when there is
fear of punishment.

For instance if a dog shows "remorse" over an action, the dog is
really showing fear of a correction, showing submissive behavior, or
is simpley trying to manipulate you.  The dog does not really feel bad
for having upset you, because this is beyond the dog's mental ability.

Likewise if a child is punished exactly the same for misbehaviors,
regardless of the kid's motivations and remorse, he or she learns that
punishment is a game with set rules.  Feeling bad or empathising with
the victim of a misbehavior is good for nothing.

This, as I see it, is the difference between dogs and kids.  It seems
that many people can only raise one or the other.

Damon-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
From: myro@srfrogs.Corp.Sun.COM (Michael Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog needs GOOD home
Date: 7 Oct 1992 03:27:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: myro@srfrogs.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: srfrogs.corp.sun.com

We have a sheppard mix (looks like an extremely small German Sheppard) that
needs a good home. We are looking only for a loving home that can spend lots
of time with our pup. 

Her name is FauxPas, she's coming up on her second birthday and she is well
behaved but a bit hyper. We're finally coming to grips that she's not going to
get thru the playful stage and we're simply not home enough to give her the attention
she needs. She would love a home with kids and I'm sure any kid would love her too.

She has all her current shots and is fixed. If you would like an "active" dog  that 
will play ball, frizbee or simply run with you,  she just might be the dog for you If you 
know anyone that might be a good match please let them know. Help us find a happy 
home for her. 

Favorite frizbee is included

Mike Meyers
415-336-3612
myro@srfrogs.corp.sun.com
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Request source of dog quote.
Keywords: Dogs
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:39:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct1.181532.5578@gw.wmich.edu> 739chan1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
>  I read this from some place. It is a great quote about dogs and I would like
>to know who wrote/said it and when/where it was said. I've forgetten exactly 
>how it goes, but it's something like this:
>
>"Man gives the dog the time he can spare, the attention he can spare, and the
>love he can spare. In return, the dog gives his utmost loyalty and undying
>affection. It is without doubt the best deal man ever made."
>
>Please send me replies by email because I don't venture into this newsgroup
>often enough.
>Chan Lee Meng          \  "In the beginning, God created man. But seeing


It was the ending line on a PBS "NATURE" special on dogs.  I can't
remember the date or time, but it was channel 11 for Chicago.

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Mauii Nikki Belzowski  CD CGC DTI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF   tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  4 mo. sable and white collie
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Motivational Methods
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:18:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23804
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>> [EAB] isn't relevant to dog training, to horse training,
>> or to cat training.

>Please tell that to the dogs, cats, horses, rats, mice, guinea pigs,
>monkeys, pigeons, humans, rabbits, ducks, etc., that have been trained
>to criterion using strictly operant methods.

No, because what makes sense to the dog involves a human commitment from
you.  Once it makes sense to both of you, the dog's and your judgment
grow, and that's part of the performance.

For dogs and horses and I guess Asian elephants, it's pretty easy
to do because they come easily to understand forms of human domesticity.
For other animals, who we call wild because they don't understand us
as we are, things are harder.

It you want to do a similar thing for a rhinocerous, you have to find
your own way to where a rhinocerous fits, to understand his humor
when you have to teach the trick all over again at the start of each
day.

Some Hollywood animal handlers do this - a complicated relation of love,
respect and knowledge, with animals that can work AT LIBERTY on location.
You have to be continuously awed and pleased by your animals, and
forget human domestic forms, to care for these, to get commitment in return
from the animal.

``Mark Harden says, `The thing that makes it hard, that most people
can't manage, is that you have to give up your interest in their
loving you, and learn the disciplines of respect and admiration
instead.  If you stop respecting them and stop admiring them,
you can't go on.  Because you will get hurt, it is too dangerous,
and the animals will not work for you.''  (Hearne's Bandit, p271)

An animal trainer who gets sustained results has to be a poet,
not a scientist.


Do you know commitment to the EAB model involves a similar poetry between
you and your teachers?  So, just on the bare, dry logic of the
situation, you can see that EAB cannot capture it in its grid of
intelligibility.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:30:55 GMT

r hardin writes:
> demand to dispose of dogs people no longer want still goes down
> if you call the place a dog disposal society, right???

Sorry, no.  I wish it did.

It would increase the number of abandoned dogs, however.

> If you tell people their dog will be killed, it reminds them
> of what their responsibility is.

I take it you believe people wouldn't give the dog to the shelter if
the shelter told them, in so many words, "your dog will be killed".

Is that indeed your belief?

I've seen it happen.  And can cite published accounts of the same.
The dog ends up at the shelter all the same.  Or gets abandoned.

> A shiny quarter to the first one who points out why
> humane societies don't do that.

Your quarter is safe.  Once again, perhaps your theories would be more
interesting if you got the facts right.

-- Jon

--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rtorres@convex.com (Randy Torres)
Subject: Re: pitbulls
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:52:44 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

mw6c@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (May  Wang) writes:

>I need information about pitbulls, their origin, their
>behavior, or anything else that a future owner needs to know.
>I'm interested in this type of dog and boxers.  Also, does
>anyone know of a breeder for these dogs.  I can't buy and own
>one now, but I will in the  very near future.  Thanks

>May Wang
>Univeristy of Virginia

May,
   My name is Randy Torres.  I an a big advocate of the American Pit Bull
Terrier.  The first thing I would do is call the American Dog Breeders
Association located in Salt Lake City, Utah.  They have some pamphlets
you might want to read before deciding on purchasing an APBT.  They are
not for everyone, however if they are for you, you will find a loyal
and great dog.  If you would like some further information email
me at rtorres@convex.com.  I can set you up with a breeder depending
on what you are looking for in an APBT.  There are the show types,
and performance types, what I mean by performance is catch dogs 
(hog dogs).  However DO NOT BY A PIT BULL for protection.  They make
bad protection dogs, and WE DO NOT NEED ANYMORE PIT BULL ATTACKS.  
Purchase a Pit Bull because of a love for what the dog is and was.
make him a pet.  Use him for work, but don't make him attack people.
If you want an attack dog by a Rottie or a Doby which can be trained
well for protection.


Randy

PS
For more information call me at 214-442-7909 or email me at
rtorres@convex.com.  For a great breeder, call WildSide Kennels
at 704-754-8760.

Also if you call me tonight, I can give you the phone number to
the ADBA so that you can get the panphlet called This is the American
Pit Bull Terrier.

I also recommend that you look for the book This is the American Pit
Bull Terrier by Richard F. Stratton.

The Truth About the American Pit Bull Terrier by Richard F. Stratton

etc.


Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 1992 16:27:25 -0400 
From: Rosalie Pingree <rp0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DOG SHOW

Need informtion on Oct 18th Dog Show at Robert Morris
College Pittsburgh.  Does anyone know when the Cairn
Terriers will be shown?

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Subject: Re: AKC QUIZ - Answers
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.183411.24261@icd.ab.com> rep@icd.ab.com (Robert E. Pappenhagen) writes:
>Well its time for the answers...
>
>Its time to test your knowledge of the American Kennel Club (AKC) rules....
>
>
>12) Can the name of a dog registered with the AKC be changed ?
>
>DS-9 No.
>
>BoB
>

I realize that this is what is written in the rulebook, however, it is not
exactly true.  I have gotten AKC to change a registered name on a dog.  
I tried it on the advice of several long-time breeders who told me that they
had done it, too.
If the dog has NEVER been entered in an AKC event and NEVER bred, it is 
possible.  I believe they judge this on a case-by-case basis.
The dog that I got the name changed on was under 6 months old.  I had
registered him as Apropos My Teddi Bear (he was the sweetest Terv I have
ever met).  When I finally found a home for him, the person refused to 
take a potential group-winning dog with a name like Teddi Bear.  I got
AKC to change the name to Apropos My Reddi Teddi.


Terri Hardwick 					(terrih@mcnc.org)
   	Apropos My Tigerlily PT CGC     (Terv)
   	Apropos My Marco Polo CD HT CGC (Terv)
	Meg (Border Collie)

Gone but not forgotten - Siegfried Von Der Niebel CDX            (GSD)
		 U-CD CH Fierami's Magical Mischief CDXTD HT CGC (Terv)
		 U-CD    Calais de la Zia CDX HIC                (Terv)
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Has anyone else experienced something like this?
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:40:20 GMT

sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Stacey Curtis) writes:

> I met my husband through our dogs, another dog show romance.  When we
> first started going out together his bitch, Malibu, an Alaskan Malamute
> tolerated me, but basically ignored me.  After things got serious she
> started to actively push me out of her dad's life.  The  most amazing
> thing that she's done so far is to bury all my clothes in the backyard. 
> She spent about a week working on this hole, she even got my own dogs to
> help her, and then a week later we went out and the hole was covered
> over, with just a sleeve of one of my shirts sticking out.  She had gone
> through the laundry and ironing piles, taken clothes off the line and
> even opened the closet door.  We were sharing the house with my
> brother-in-law and his girlfriend and none of her clothes were touched. 
> Other than this incident, Malibu's pushed me out of bed on countless
> occasions, jumps on the chair that I'm about to sit in and pushes between
> me and Hubby when we hug.  I've grown used to the fact that she doesn't
> like me.  Has anyone else experienced something like this?

what a GREAT story!
maybe you could do a movie of the week?(somehow I see Delta Burke as doing the
voice of the dog...)
I have no idea.....but stories like this are one reason I read r.p.d.
thanks! (good luck!)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: owens@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Robert Michael Owens)
Subject: Re: Strangers and Your Dog (was Re: East Bay Regional Parks...)
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:28:18 GMT


The following happened to my pack (wife, sons, and three dogs). We had
gone to a state park to have a picnic with my wife's mother (yes
dogs were allowed and they were on leads. we normally would go there
but my wife's mother wanted to). after we had set up our table, a
nearby family (without a thought) let their <2 year old (with ?father?
following) come over to see the dogs without as much as a word to us. well
the kid walks up to the >75 pound male who's lead i'm holding. i'm
not facing either the kid or his father and havn't acknowledge either
of them. the dog's head (the dog was sitting) is higher than the kid's.
well the kid pulls the ears, pushes the nose, etc. all this time the
poor dog is looking at me like (can't i plz go home now). this dog can
easy crush large bones. well finally the kid picks up some dirt, pine
needles, etc and offers it to the dog. just as the dog leans forward
to smell/take it, i yell "DROP!". as trained the dog pulls back.
however, the kid lets out a scream (i had scared the kid). the father who
was standing there then asked me why i had yelled at his kid (he thought
i had told his kid to drop the dirt). this was the first sentence he
had spoken to me. i was a lost for words. he left in a huff.

owens
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: German Pinschers
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:37:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23734
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>About 1/2 a year ago, a most unfortunate and abysmally uninformed rule was
>passed by the strata council of my building, limiting the hight of dogs to
>18"...my dobie is allowed to stay, but he would have to be replaced by a
>smaller dog :(

Get them to change the rule - a challenge in finding the right rhetoric.

Of course you can adopt another dobie that looks about the same pretty
easily!  Advantage of pure breds.
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Info - Husky Seizures\
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:35:28 GMT
	<1992Sep28.110209.8954@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <1992Sep28.110209.8954@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, It always scares me when something looks easy to do. writes:
>
> My golden had this happen to him when he
>was just over a year old - 2 times.  Each time, he lost the use of one
>of his back legs.  The vet said that it is not uncommon for growing dogs to
>experience such things.  Many dogs have seizures that never occur more than
>once or twice, and can never be explained.
thank you!  my molly had a similar loss of use of one back leg.  three vets
say this is highly unusual and they've never seen it.

she's a 3year old bluetick coonhound.  i got her at age 1 1/2.  she was almost
3 when she has her first seizure, and had 3 siezures several months apart,
always early in the morning(between 5 and 9 am).  she'd remain concious,
but dazed, and her legs and neck would get stiff and tremble, while she'd make
 chewing motions with her mouth.  blood tests were all normal.

then a few days after the last one she had serious convulsions *just* in one
rear leg for about 10 minutes, followed by the leg being stiff, quivering,
and difficulty walking on it for several hours.  she had a deep pain reflex
(when i pinched her toe she winced, which i did to see whether she had
feeling in it).  other than that it didn't seem painful.

the next step is testing for lead poisoning and/or a spinal tap, which is 
painful and expensive.  so far we are going to wait and see.


and for the person who suggested a connection between seizures and monthly
heartworm pills: her previous owner have her heartgard but since i've
had her she'd only had the daily filaribits.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Poems
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:18:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


Just thought I'd put in a poem for your enjoyment.




	If You Have A Dog

 Loss may grieve you, love may leave you,| Through a rover oceans over,
    Idle tongues may lie;                |    Through the world you roam;
 Luck may quit you, trouble hit you,     | Whether valley, street or ally,
    Fame may pass you by;                |   You may call a home;
 Thorns may hurt you, men desert you,    | King or vassal, cave or castle,
    Sunlight turn to fog,                |   Or a house of log,
 But you're never friendless ever,       | One will bear it, one will share it,
    If you have a dog.                   |   If you have a dog.
                                         |
 Storms may beat you, foes defeat you,   | Vine may trip you, branches grip you,
    Fortune treat you ill;               |   Clouds may hide the morn;
 All your dreaming, all your scheming,   | Men may doubt you, all about you,
    All be dreaming still                |   Those you love may scorn;
 Hate may hate you, woe await you,       | Still unshaken. unmistaken,
    Rock and root and bog,               |   You will face the fog,
 Yet an endless friend and friendless    | God believing, though you're grieving
    Have who have a dog.                 |   If you have a dog.

						  Douglas Malloch




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Marla Belzowski     saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski  CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF   tri-color collies
Legned's Year of Jubilee   4 mo. sable and white collie