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From: chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:01:26 GMT

in article <1992Dec14.212612.42689@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) says:
> 
> In article <1992Dec14.142936.868@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:
> 
>>I don't neccessarily think Faulk should get the Heisman, I just believe that
>>as a PLAYER, he is certainly better than Torretta.
>>
>>Look for Faulk in the NFL.  Look for Torretta in the CFL, or maybe doing
>>something related to whatever degree he received at Miami.  If he DOES go
>>to the NFL, he will be about as successful as that other Miami Heisman 
>>quarterback.  Maybe he'll help Vinny keep the Tampa franchise where it is
>>so accustomed to being.
> 
> Well, I agree with you that Faulk probably should have gotten the Heisman. 
> But, as much as people complain about the Heisman, I seem to remember Gino
> won just about every other major award possible as well.  And, the Heisman
> has NEVER supposed to have been the "most likely to succeed in the NFL" award,
> so what does all that have to do with it.  

Nothing.  But the award IS supposed to be for the best PLAYER, as I mentioned
earlier.  Is Torretta the best PLAYER?  No.  Sure he has good stats.  Sure
he has a great winning record, but who won the Syracuse game?  Their DEFENSE.
Who kept FSU out of the end zone, thus winning that game?  Their DEFENSE.

Good stats can come easily against weak opponents, but as has been posted here,
it appears that Gino's stats were inflated against blowout caliber opponents.

Once again, the Heisman race has become a farce.  The race is no longer who
proves it on the field, but who gets the most recognition during the 
regular season.  Notre Dame and Miami (as long as they are winning) will
consistently have name players getting the national recognition as long as
they continue to do what they are doing and the media pays attention to
them.

Everyone says Faulk played in the WAC and that made his stats even better.
Well, Torretta played in the Big Easy.  Those games sure didn't hurt his
stats, other than the one team in that conference that provided some
competition, Syracuse.

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From: weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK)
Subject: Re: Reflections on Bowl Matchups...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:04 CST  

In article <1992Dec11.160532.707@ods.com>, scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes...
>harbison (harbison@dbsun.uucp) wrote:
>: In article <1992Dec10.150544.23100@ods.com>
>: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
> 
>All kidding aside, though, I (and most Aggies I know) kinda like Bama
>because of the common ties.  Even the team colors are fairly close (if
>you look at our uniforms on a bright day and yours in dim lighting)...

I concur, you also gotta love their helmets.  No messin around with fancy 
designs etc. just a number. (not meant to be sarcastic, I really like 'em)

GIG'EM  AGS!!!

Mark Weyland
Texas A&M University - Class of '88

>-- 
>Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
>scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: NCAA Playoffs.
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:16:15

In article <1992Dec11.112558.4535@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:

> What I did is took his top 32 teams and put them in order of wins and 
> then place them in the playoff system.  There are eight teams getting 
> byes, and the other 16 play in wildcard games.  I have put a few upsets

a few upsets?  5 out of 8 in the wild card round is a little more than "a few"

> in along the way and these score do not in any way reflect the way I feel
> about team strengths or about teams themself.

Nor do they reflect reality.  Exhibit A:

> SOUTHERN REGION
> 
> #11 Syracuse       (9-2)     20
> #22 Toledo         (8-3)     21 

What are these teams doing in the Southern region?  This would be the upset
of the year.


Exhibit B:

> #15 Ohio St (8-2-1)          47
> #18 Washington St (8-3)      52

I'm not saying Washington State couldn't beat Ohio State, but they sure as
hell wouldn't score 52 points off us.  We've allowed only 55 points by our
last five opponents combined (which includes Michigan).  Also, Ohio State
isn't goint to score 47 against anyone either.


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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:23:01 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

LNF@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:

}The obvious choice:
}
}   The Rocket   1990

No, the topic is "undisputed Heisman trophy WINNERS" not "undisputed
Heisman trophy LOSERS".  However, you have made a superb nomination
for the latter category.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
From: pts2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL THOMAS STROBL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:19:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <8f=6eWe00Uh_813AAH@andrew.cmu.edu>, wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Ka
ramo Motley) writes:
>Some people like to say that FSU is better than Miami, although Miami
>beat FSU.  Others say that FSU is in no way, shape or form better than
>Miami because Miami beat them.  In my opinion, I would think that FSU is
>the best team in the country, but that's beside the point.  Let's take a
>look at the NFL for a quick minute.  Would one say that the New York
>Jets are better than the Buffalo Bills simply because the Jets happened
>to beat the Bills?  Probably not.  Would one say that the Dallas Cowboys
>are better because they walked all over the Washington Redskins in the
>beginning of the season?  Washington won in a rematch today.  My point
>is that using the argument that Miami is better because they won the
>game is kind of weak.  Both teams have improved since then, so it's not
>really fair to say one team is better than the other at this juncture in
>time.  If someone is going to claim that Miami is better, back it up
>with some stats and stuff.
>
>-Will

Will, with all due respect, there HAS been a purpose to any
kind of sports matchup for decades: "Who is the better team?"
Sorry to say, the team that wins, gets the bragging rights!
The team that wins is therefore considered BETTER than the
losing team.

The team that wins the Superbowl this year IS the best team
in the NFL.  I am an Oilier fan.  Pittsburg has beat us twice.
Pittsburg is a better team than Houston.  If Houston beats
Pittsburg in the play-offs, then Houston is the better team.
It's pretty simple.

Yesterday, a friend of mine tried to argue with me that FSU
is a better team than TAMU.  For the simple fact that the two
teams will not play this year, I ended the arguement with "we
will never know."  Because we won't.

As I've stated before, this country is in desperate need of a
college football playoff system.
-- 
                   --Tex
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     Why do they call it "stationery" when you send it all over the place?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: smithg@a.cs.okstate.edu (SMITH GARY WAYNE)
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:13:12 GMT

In article <18398@borg.cs.unc.edu> morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse) writes:
>In article <92351.073155LNF@psuvm.psu.edu> LNF@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>The obvious choice:
>>
>>   The Rocket   1990
>
>Okay, Goober, I need an official ruling on this one.
>
>Something this utterly stupid could only be goober-baiting.  However, it *is* 
>from a PennHead (psuvm, no less), so he could be serious.  Such a dilemma.

'psuvm, no less' is an understatement... there is nothing less.

- goober (pennheads and an ibm...) smith
From: sizex@stl.stc.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:52:10 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.200.40

In article <1992Dec16.072802.8398@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>And I'm curious, exactly where was the old Bluebonnet Bowl played?
>Please post a response if you know, as I'm sure I'm not the only one
>who needs to know.

why the interest in where the Bluebonnet Bowl was played? anyway, it was played
in Rice Stadium until the Astrodome made a better offer.

Eric

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From: tad@tad.b30.ingr.com (tad w stephens)
Subject: Re: take majors
Reply-To: tad@tad.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:10:32 GMT

In article <12DEC199209443629@utkvx2.utk.edu>, rhett@utkvx2.utk.edu (Fitzsimmons, Marc) writes:

[reasonable description of the last four months in Knoxville deleted]

|>    He may do good for y'all in Piitsburg. Just keep a key to his liquor cabinet
|> and get a leash for him and some earplugs for your alum.

Ah, refreshing to see a Tennessee fan doing his best impression of a bama fan :)
(smiley for Guy and Jeff).  This reminds me of the drunk couple who boo'd during
the announcement Tennessee was going to the Cotton Bowl with a 10-1 record as
co-SEC champs with Alabama and Auburn because we weren't headed to the Sugar
Bowl.  True class!

After the success Tennessee has had during Major's 16 years I can't believe 
so-called fans have this kind of attitude.  I'll admit I've been pretty PO'd 
at the way UT always found a way to lose to bama (you should live down here!) 
and have laid a fair share of the blame at Johnny's feet.  Nevertheless, it 
is amazing people forget the wins against Notre Dame, Miami, Arkansas, Auburn, 
etc., etc. and run off the favorite son because he angers a few alumni and the 
AD, comes back to work too soon after surgery, and can't beat one team from 
Tuscaloosa.  Maybe Tennessee deserves a coach who wins one game a year.


|>                                            RHETT
|> "I'm afraid it's going to make a great deal of difference to a great many
|> gentleman"
|> 


Tad "I'm an alumnus.  Why didn't anyone ask my opinion?" Stephens

Intergraph Corporation
Huntsville, Alabama
tad@tad.b30.ingr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:13:20 GMT

In article <78297@hydra.gatech.EDU>
mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>The remaining defunct bowls and their results are reproduced
>below:
>
 [Excellent list of defunct bowl games omitted]
 
There were some other bowls in which the home team served as the
predetermined host regardless of its record.  The NCAA ignores such
bowls when compiling its all-time bowl-game records.  One of these
"other" bowls was the Palm Festival, the precursor to the Orange Bowl.
 
Palm Festival, Miami, FL:        1-1-33          Miami (Fla) 7, Manhattan 0
Palm Festival, Miami, FL:        1-1-34          Duquesne 33, Miami (Fla) 7
 
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From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ack thfppt to the fat guy!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:23:04 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

>Ho Sun Pang writes:

>He mentioned Ty Detmer in 1990 and two other guys.  Interestingly,
>Michigan lost as well after Desmond Howard grabbed the award.

>Any more info. to confirm his claim?

Remember Mike Rozier from Nebraska? He won the Heisman in 1983. Nebraska
then went on to lose the 1984 Orange Bowl to, of all teams, Miami :-)
I think Rozier was injured in the third quarter with something like 160
yards or so rushing.

We Nebraskans still cringe whenever that game is mentioned.

Dave
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Hey What!? (Was Hey PDUNN!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.214918.119684@marshall.wvnet.edu> hou026@marshall.wvnet.e
du writes:
>Hey PDUNN was that you hanging on the goalpost Saturday!!!

Nah...I couldn't get down there fast enough from the 46th row;-).

Seriously, I am happy that the goalpost went down, but happier that no one got
hurt when it did.  When those things fall on your head, they can cause some
serious damage.

>What can we say but WAY TO GO HERD!!! What a game!  Too close for sanity.
>Party on!

What do you mean?  The Herd had it all the way:-).

I didn't stay long after the game (had to get back to Columbus) but I stayed
long enough to consume a couple of adult beverages and watch the traffic on 3rd
avenue run over the stuffed penguins that were being held on ropes by fans
who had broken through all disipline.

>See ya next year,
>Southern Conference Girl.

Deember 18, 1993--Can the Herd repeat??

PDunn
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:43:01 -0500 
From: "Robert W. Jordan" <rj25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Color Nicknames Current List

>Although I may have missed one or two during the compilation, here 
>is the current list:  (Thanks for all the replies)
> 
>Rainbow Warriors         Hawaii (not a single color but a bunch)
>Yellow Jackets           Georgia Tech 
>Golden Buffaloes         Colorado
>Golden Eagles            Southern Miss
>Golden Eagles            Tennessee Tech
>Golden Hurricane         Tulsa
>Golden Gophers           Minnesota
>Golden Bears             California
>Golden Flashes           Kent State
>Orangemen                Syracuse
>Big Red                  Cornell (I-AA)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What about the somewhat "bigger" Big Red of Nebraska?  We Huskers don't
chant "Go Big Red" for nothing!  I'm not sure, but I think Oklahomans
refer to their Sooners as "Big Red" as well.

>Cardinal                 Stanford 
>Crimson                  Harvard (I-AA)
>Crimson Tide             Alabama
>Redbirds                 Illinois State
>Redskins                 Miami (O)
>Red Raiders              Texas Tech
>Red Raiders              Colgate (may be I-AA)
>Redmen                   St John's
>Scarlet Knights          Rutgers
>Big Green                Dartmouth (I-AA)
>Green Wave               Tulane
>Blue Raiders             Middle Tennessee
>Blue Devils              Duke
>Blue Demons              Depaul
>Fighting Blue Hens       Delaware

How about the Bluejays of Creighton?  (Even though they don't have a
football team.)

>Purple Aces              Evansville
>Purple Paladins          Furman
>Black Bears              Maine

Rob Jordan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.205811.5249@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>In article <8f=6eWe00Uh_813AAH@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Some people like to say that FSU is better than Miami, although Miami
>>beat FSU.  Others say that FSU is in no way, shape or form better than
>>Miami because Miami beat them.  In my opinion, I would think that FSU is
>>the best team in the country, but that's beside the point.  Let's take a
>>look at the NFL for a quick minute.  Would one say that the New York
>>Jets are better than the Buffalo Bills simply because the Jets happened
>>to beat the Bills?  Probably not.  Would one say that the Dallas Cowboys
>>are better because they walked all over the Washington Redskins in the
>>beginning of the season?  Washington won in a rematch today.  My point
>>is that using the argument that Miami is better because they won the
>>game is kind of weak.  Both teams have improved since then, so it's not
>>really fair to say one team is better than the other at this juncture in
>>time.  If someone is going to claim that Miami is better, back it up
>>with some stats and stuff.
>>
>>-Will
>
>ok, let's take that to a little more extreme...
>
>I believe that the last time the Steelers went to the Superbowl, they
>only had 2 losses, both to Cincinnatti.  Cincinnati only had 2 wins..
>So whats the point?  Cincinnati PROVED without a doubt that Pittsburgh
>could be beaten. 
>
>No one has proven that Miami can be beaten...  Some have come close,
>but they haven't gotten the job done in the end.
>
>I would look more at the trends...
>Miami has taken --hmmm what is it?-- 4 out of the last 5.  Tell me,
>which team is better?
>
>I might be persuaded to feel that FSU is the better team, if they had
>like taken the last 2 or 3 from Miami and then lost this year.  You
>can't beat everyone all the time...  But in this case..  no..
>
>In fact, I feel that Nebraska is going to line up rather well with
>FSU.  They have an entire month to teach their DE's to pursue up the
>field, not inward and their LB's to stay at home to pin Ward in the
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>pocket.  
 ^^^^^^

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Sheah, right.

>
>you heard it hear first...
>Nebraska 38
>FSU      35
>
>:-)
>
>cmuck
>
>ps - stats are a by-product of the game, not an accurate predictor of
>     who is better.

Kevin
From: hou024@marshall.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: I-AA CAHMPIONSHIP - HUNTINGTON INFO
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:04:21 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I just thought that any of you coming to Huntington for the game might like
e few words on the "social" scene.  Huntington is a typical college town,
but the area is okay.  You have your normal run of fast-food places.
There are some good restaurants: Olivers (king of pricey and the food is
only okay); Chi-Chi's ("a celebration of food"); Chili-Willi's - a pretty
good Mexican place; Calamity Cafe - a pretty good Tex-Mex place; there are
also a couple of steak houses, etc.
As far as bars go, there are bars in the Radisson and Holiday Inn.  Chi-Chi's
and Calamity Cafe also double as bars.  There are a couple college bars
downtown.  The places I like best are close to the stadium on Third Ave.
There are three bars right next to each other - Mycrofts, Mulligans, and 
Yesterdays.  They're all pretty nice.  They are normally pretty exciting with
tailgate parties the day of the game.  Another place I like is called
Aftersport, and it is directly across from the stadium on Third Ave.
Of course, everywhere is going to be packed on game day, but that is part
of the fun.
Well, if you'd like any more information, feel free to e-mail me, I'd be happy
to respond.  If not, we'll see you in Huntington on Saturday.

GO HERD!!!!!!!!!!  
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From: poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Blue Hens
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:09:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.222030.119633@marshall.wvnet.edu> hou026@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
>                         MARSHALL FOOTBALL
>
>Is anybody out there?   i'm new at this so some nice I-AA fan can write me to
>help me out... I have to take a class to learn this mess---and needless to say
>don't really have the time.....
>
>Back to the subject at hand....I-AA Football...    My prediction.. Marshall
>over Northern Iowa.  Big...   The Herd just looks too good.  I've only been at 
>MU since August and since Im not an original RUDE Herd Fan so I can be flexible 
>about the prospects... but these guys look great...  They hit a real slump in
>the mid-season with the two close loses (in the last possessions).  <These were
>real REALITY checks for them... After the Loss last year in the Championship to
>Youngstown, they really want to kick some butt.
>
>This is the fourth southern conference school that I've been a student or
>administrator.... so its nice to be here at Marshall... and hopefully having a
>National Championship for Christmas...
>
>If anybdy is headed to HUNTINGTON let us know!!  We might even let you buy us 
>a drink after the game....GO Herd!!
>
> 

THANK YOU!!!!
Being you are new to this, I think PDunn will not mind your woofing too much.
As a UNI fan, I don't mind your woofing either.  Woofing on the net tends
to bring bad fortune to those who do....From my point of view, I hope that
is the case here as well:)

BUT first, go UNI---beat Youngstown St!

paul
From: pl05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PATRICIA L. LEBBING)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SYRACUSE/MIAMI GAME
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:56:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Here's to the Syracuse fans!  I went to the Miami game (wearing a Miami
sweatshirt, as did my friend).  Obviously, we got a few minor negative
comments about Miami shouted at us, but not one person was obnoxious to us.
We were congratulated by several people and while on a bus ride to our car, we
were with Chris Gedney and a bus full of Syracuse fans.  Everyone was very
nice to us and we all discussed the game maturely.  Syracuse people know how
to have fun and spirit without being assholes.  Thanks for a great game.
From: frank@mail.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:14:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems

In article <aggie-171292115544@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>,
aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
> ...,
> Now, I'm not saying it's terrible to be a fan or to support your
> team. I do - I can be quite vocal about it, too! But to support 
> your team blindly, to ignore and/or belittle your opponent's
> accomplishments...is galling. It matters little if the fans wear 
> the garnet&gold of FSU, the green&orange of Miami, or the 
> maroon&white of TAMU.
> ...,

Hey James,

It sounds to me like YOU have a problem!  If you can't take the heat, get
out of the kitchen.  Its a given that fans will be fans.  Part of the
excitement about college football stems from supporting your team and
belittling the opponent.

As for counting Nebraska all but out of the contest, I know the FSU
coaching staff and players are not!!  Just because a fews fans (typically
the vocal ones) may not be considering NU a threat, doesn't mean all us
Seminoles are.  Its going to be a hard fought game, and a more exciting one
to watch than the Hurricane blowout in the Sugar Bowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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