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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: observations about weekend games
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:13:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Washington at Philly: I watched the game with a few of my friends who are
die-hard Eagle fans.  Needless to say, there are plenty of claw marks all over
my furniture.  Even until the very last drive, they kept sweating it out and
saying "They're gonna lose, they're gonna lose".  Another great NFC-East 
matchup which was a nailbiter till the very end.  What surprised me about this
game was that Kotite came up with a decent second half game plan.  The Skins
dominated the first half but the Eagles dominated the second.  Very much like
the game last week vs. the Boyz except this time it was the Skins who had the
turnover.

Minn at Pitt:  Bubby sucks! Bubby suck! come to think of it so does Salisbury.
Ugly win but a win nonetheless for the Vikes.  Fuad "Unfazed" Raveiz kicked
the game winner as time ran out.  Big play was the blocked 52-yard field 
goal attempt by Michael "Miami" Tice.  Foster had his 11th 100-yard game
tieing the NFL record for most 100-yard games. Terry Allen had a monster day
with 170+ yards!

Jets at Miami: Oh man they had a chance to sweep the Dolphins but special
team screw-up really cost them!  Good game but in the end, the better (more
experienced?) quarterback won!

Bills at N.O.: Therrrrrrrmmmmaaallll!!! I expected the Bills to get crushed
and the score at halftime didn't look unexpected. The Bills D dominated the
second half. The Saints need a running game or maybe a run-blocker of some
sort.  I was really beginning to think that the Saints had a shot at the NFC
title.

San Diego at Raiders: They hit like a Mack truck and never let up!  AFC West
title may be theirs next week.

satish nair
giants (6-10 in '92)
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: 49ers Defensive Coordinator?
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:18:19 GMT

In article <ljv574INNolv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>Who is the 49ers defensive coordinator?  Who was the defensive
>coordinator last year?  Do they even have one?

MacPherson has been the defensive coordinator for all four years under
Siefert.  Before that, he was a defensive line coach working for Walsh,
with Siefert as defensive coordinator.  Rhodes left because Siefert
didn't pick him as defensive coordinator (too bad - Rhodes is an
EXCELLENT coach).

>
>I know it's not former defensive backfield coach Ray Rhodes, who
>went to Green Bay with Mike Holmgren.  Is it George MacPherson?

Yep, as stated above, you are right.

>
>Jeff Fisher came to the 49ers this year from the LA Rams, but I
>believe he is only the defensive backfield coach.  Oddly enough,

Right.  Fisher is our defensive backfield coach.  Siefert took off
his earphones because he believes that he gets a better feel of the
overall action by watching the game and not listening to all the
chatter.  He has good off/def coordinators who can handle the play
by play stuff.  Siefert decides if penalties are accepted, and
whether to go for it on 4th down or kick a fg - stuff like that.
Seems to be working alright for him.

>the 49ers defensive backfield really improved when Fisher started
>wearing a headset, and George Seifert stopped wearing one.  Given
>the low regard LA Rams fans have for Fisher, perhaps this was a
>deliberate move to keep him out of trouble?  Or, given the equally

Our backfield has continued to improve each week.  Remember, we
have all 1st and 2nd year men back there, with the except of Griffin.

>low regard Denver Broncos fans had for Mike Shanahan, who has been
>badly missed in the "Reeves" offense, and who is a vast improvement

And we will probably lose Shanahan back to the Broncos :-(.

>over Holmgren as a play caller, perhaps Seifert gave Fisher a job
>as acting defensive coordinator?
>
From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jills had their ass kicked
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:22:12 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <Bzz3oC.D2H@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.072502.18765@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>In article <BzyFJB.5zo@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>>>What the hell's the deal with that stupid subject line? Can't you ever say
>>>anything intelligent? (that was a rhetorical question)
>>
>>>
>>Ah HA, sounds like a whiner here! How about the Buffalo Bills
>>were soundly beat by a superior Defense and a 2nd string QB?
>>Or how about Machine Gun Kelly was injured and the Bills fell
>>apart? No?! Hmmmm, how about Glenn has three INTs and Del Rio
>>and company thoroughly beat (not kick ASS) the Bills. Anyway
>>you want to interpret it, the Bill LOST! 
>
>How about, the Oilers beat a Buffalo team without four pro bowlers
>(Cornelius Bennett, Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, and Steve Tasker)? Or, how
>about the Oilers won against a second string QB?
>

Oh, stop whining, jimmy.  The Bills got beat - very convincingly.  The
presence of Kelly wouldn't have made any difference.  And Brucey Smith
*did* play.

Curt

Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
'92 Dolphins - AFC East Division Champions
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Keywords: nowworshipmoranow
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:16:26 GMT
Organization: .

(Chester H Zeshonski) writes:
>> 
>>Blind?  A bit nearsighted, perhaps, but still have the visual acuity to
>>observe Hebert's coughs at QB.
>
>Hey!  Bobby Hebert is the best QB ever to play this game!  If you can't say
>something nice about a man like that, I suggest you say nothing at all.
>
>					---Chet Zeshonski
>					(bear mora's love child)

Well, I was wondering what caused the blundering in the Dome yesterday.
Obvious a classic case of being out.net.obligatory.sacrificed.  I see
Chet showed no mercy.  Buffalo played a great second half,BTW.  Geaux Bills 
AND TAKE BUFORD JORDAN WIFF YA!!!!

--J.J.
(brad baxter makes gale sayers look like leo sayers)
From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Subject: Re: Congrats to vike's; kudo's to G.B.
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:58:43 CST

In article 2774@island.COM, fester@etorofu.island.COM () writes:

<stuff deleted>
 
>
>Count me a well-satisfied Packer fan (now, if 'da Bears'd just fire Ditka's 
>*ss ...)


Why would you want Ditka out?  Leave him there - I want to see the Pack
pound on him for a while.


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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:26:58 GMT
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN





In article <BzoD76.E89@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
->Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
->
->I just cannot wait for the Vikes to get hold of a real QB
->like Buerlein or Walsh or Tomzak etc. etc.  As somebody
->else pointed out this would send the rest of the NFC
->shivering in their shoes and make the Vikes really scary,
->a team capable of inducing fear in the opponents, if not
->already. The D is already terrorrizing opposing QBs.
->I would also like to add the need of an young and fast
->wide receiver.
->
->S.H
->
->
Tomzak is a real QB???    NOT!!!!!!
My choices for the new Viking QB.

1. Joe Montana    (Packer fans can dream about the playoffs, I can dream
                     about this :^)  :^)   )
2. Steve Walsh

3.  Boomer Esiason

4.  Fran Tarkenton 


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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: 49er QBs
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:14:04 GMT

A question from a non-49er fan:

If you were in George Seifert's shoes next season, would you bench the
league MVP to give one of the all-time great QBs one more year of glory?
Montana has already said that he will NOT be a backup, so this is what 
George must do in order to keep Montana with San Francisco.

I don't blame Montana - he will long be considered one of the top two or
three to ever play the game - and he deserves better than to end his 
career holding a clipboard on the sidelines.  I just don't see how you
can deny Steve Young, especially if he guides SF to the superbowl.  He is
younger and has been better each season, and this season he is the probable
NFL MVP (deservedly so).

I think Joe will be in another uniform next season, and it will be as
bizarre as seeing O.J. in a 49er uniform.  Plenty of teams would be willing
to shell out the cash to give Montana one or two seasons.  He is still 
about as physically able as he ever was, he is probably just more suseptible
to injury.  He is a huge ticket draw who could increase season ticket sales
by 10,000 - 20,000 for some struggling franchises.  It reminds me of the Texas
Rangers who picked up old-man Nolan Ryan to increase ticket sales, and he ends
up being as good as ever.  I think Montana could do the same.

Let's see, which team has a decent offensive line, quarterback problems, and
trouble selling tickets?  How about Phoenix.

David
From: metv@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Green Coach of Year? I don't think so.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:28:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

Cowher of Steelers should be Coach of the Year.

Metro
From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: For New York Giants & 49er Fans
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:37:42 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <1992Dec29.204147.9932@pony.Ingres.COM> daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:
>In article <1249@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, Larry Simmons (larry@aecom writes:
>>
>>It looks like it's time for a new QB. Not Simms, Not Hoss. Graham looked good
>>enough to wonder if they made a mistake on Brown. But it's still too early.
>
>How about trading for Montana?  He'll be available, and might give the
>Ignats time to develop someone younger.  Do the Giants have any[thing|one]
>the Niners would want in return?
>

We'll give you Handley and Hoss.  And throw in the memorobilia from LT's place.

>-dB
>
>-- 
>Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s

Giants in '9?
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From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF: Joey's Return
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:31:21 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <8fBhhWy00WDK47QGkz@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Am I the only one who got sick at the way the MNF bozos
>were fawning over Montana and "eagerly anticipating"
>next week's game just so they could see him on the field
>again? *gack* I think I'm gonna hurl.

No, you're not the only one.  Those three were gushing so
much it was ridiculous.  Over what?  To see Montana come
in at garbage time, in a meaningless game, to handoff a few
times and throw a few short passes to Rice and Taylor?
Sure, the guy is one of the best QBs ever, and he hasn't 
played in over two years, but what do they expect to happen?
If the game happens to be closer than Siefert and everybody
else expects, will they put Joe in?  Look at last week's
Tampa Bay game.........


Ray      GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:33:28 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <3206@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>>>>In article <29710117@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>>>>>(walid al-sabah) /  9:43 am  Dec 18, 1992 /
>>>>>>From the L.A. Times of Thursday 12/17/92
>>>>>
>>>>>>	Overrated? Even though San Francisco  49er Coach George   Seifert
>>>>>>	has a 54-3 record, including a Super Bowl victory in 1990, former
>>>>>>	running back  Roger  Craig  isn't that impressed  with  Seifert's
>>>>>>	accomplishments.
>
>This is about the tenth bizillionth time I've seen this, and wonder that
>no one else is wondering at it.  How in the heck does Seifert supposedly
>have a 54-3 record, when the 49ers were 10-6 last year alone?
>

It has to be a typo. I can think of at least 10 losses.

89 2?
90 4?
91 6
92 2

Tom Wolf

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From: dht@controls.ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran)
Subject: Back to the future for the Buffalo fans
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:26:06 GMT

In article <Bzu4IJ.68p@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>Sunday Night, Buffalo at Houston. In Your Face!!
>
>Prediction: Buffalo 20
>	    Houston 17

Knock .... Knock .... on the heads of the Buffalo fans

              "Anybody home ........."

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: FINALS - 17th week
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:50:35 GMT

Emmitt Smith wins the NFL rushing title with 1713 yards,
2nd consective years! Kudos to E. Smith and the 'Boys!

Sterling Sharpe breaks the NFL single season receiving
record (108).

New Orleans  20	NY Jets   0 * FINAL SATURDAY
LA Raiders  21		Washington  20 * FINAL SATURDAY
Green Bay  7		Minnesota  27  * FINAL
NY Giants  10		Philadelphia   20  * FINAL
Cleveland  13		Pittsburgh  23  * FINAL 
Denver  20		Kansas City  42  * FINAL
Indianapolis  21	Cincinnati  17  * FINAL
Miami  16			New England  13  **OT FINAL
Atlanta  27		LA Rams  38  * FINAL
Chicago  14		Dallas  27  * FINAL
Tampa Bay  7		Phoenix  3  * FINAL
San Diego	 31		Seattle  14  * FINAL
Buffalo			Houston
Detroit			San Francisco
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bad Boy Green Bay Bob
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:57:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BzzJFs.FJ6
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

First we on rsfp witnessed the battle between Eagles fans and
the Cowboy fans. Then it was the Bills and the fish and
now it is the Vikes and the packers.

When pot shots are taken on each other  by rival fans, I thought
that it is only restricted to the game and nothing personal.
But I am starting to detect some real *animosity* here.

Come on guys let's cut it out.....
I hereby declare a truce between Vikes and Pack fans.
let's get on with the game.

S.H
---------------------------------------------------------------
My Euphoric moments: A Vikes' TD and a Twins Homer Blast.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Immaculate Reception---NOT !!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.194510.26448@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>People in the U.S. always make fun of us (soccer fans) because of
>the occasional riots in European and South American soccer games.
>And yet you seem to imply that U.S. football fans would be just
>as violent, if not more so, if only given an excuse.
>
>So, is that really true?  Can you give any proof, precedent or
>example, where football officials were harmed by an angry crowd
>following a decision against the home team?  

Nothing in recent US sports history compares to the stories I've heard
about soccer fans in the UK, Europe and South America.  (It was worse
many years ago -- why do you suppose they call basketball players 
"cagers"?)  The worst incident I've seen in the past 20 years was some
irate Viking fan bonking an official with a liquor bottle.  Like I said,
it doesn't compare with the overseas counterparts.

People who really think that the officials are heavily swayed by fear
of the fans are only showing what they're made of themselves...
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Bills D Looks Good *or*...
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:32:06 GMT

In article <BzLEo8.B7q@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.024831.12206@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>
>>The real question is:  which Bills team is for real?  The one who out-
>>gunned the Niners but showed no defense whatsoever in September, or 
>>the one that squelched a up-and-coming Aints offense today but couldn't
>>do much at all offensively?  The defense and special teams should get
>>a lot of the credit for the 20 points that Buffalo scored.
>
>No, Thurman Thomas should get most of the credit for the Bills 20 points.
>He scored two touchdowns, giving him 60% of the total score. Simple math,
>really. 
>>
Give credit where credit is due: Thermal Thomas, to wit:
Rushing 115 yards and TWO TD's; six passes for 62 yards.
IMHO, Thomas was the key Offensive weapon. The Bills D held when
it counted, but Kelly was rather lackluster.

-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Status of Cris Carter??
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:18:22 GMT

Does any know the status of Viking receiver Cris Carter??

I've heard unofficial reports that he WILL play in Saturday's game.

I haven't heard anything from the Vikings on this...
Anybody have official word?

-------------------------------------------------------
J.R. Ordon
GO VIKES!!!
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikes and Bills observations
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:25:55 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Vikings Observations:

	As a Vikings fan, I want to see them win.  As a realist, they are
	very unlikely to do well in the playoffs because they STILL have
	no QB.  Rich "no humility" Gannon sucks; he's the Willie Banks
	of the Vikings.  Salisbury is a more likeable guy and is a better
	passer as long as he has good protection, but is easy to sack.
	Without Cris Carter, they have no passing game against a good
	defensive team (Pittsburgh is NOT a good defensive team, regardless
	of their stats.)  Philly, Wash, SF, and Dallas would all beat the
	Vikings in the playoffs.  Their only hope would be to rely on their
	very good defense to come up with a touchdown - a remote possibility.

Buffalo Observations:

	As for Buffalo, I sympathize with their fans because of the SB losses
	(like the Vikes).  But I am very impressed with their road victories
	this season at SF and New Orleans.  Many sceptics were ready to
	write them off this season, but after going 4-1 vs. playoff teams
	they appear to be the best AFC team again.  You have to admire their
	consistency over the past few years.  I would say Buffalo, Houston,
	and San Diego would give any NFC team a good game in the SB.
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From: alaw@ap1seq.us.oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
Subject: Re: 'Twas NBC Re: Raiders vs. Redskins (CBS' unprofessionalism)
Reply-To: alaw@oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:35:53 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <BzyFBo.5w1@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e
kist) writes:
|>In article <1992Dec28.021659.7193@wam.umd.edu> loffit@wam.umd.edu
(Dixie Cup) writes:
|>>In article <Bzw5B5.33n@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james
e kist) writes:
|>>>After Washington's touchdown that put them in the lead 20-14 in the fourth
|>>>quarter, CBS displayed the words to "Hail to the Redskins" while the
|>>>Redskins' marching band played the song. I thought that NFL football
|>>>coverage was supposed to be unbiased. I guess I was wrong. This was a very
|>>>unprofessional move by CBS.
|>>>
|>>>Final Score:
|>>>LA         21
|>>>Washington 20
|>>>
|>>>Disclaimer: I am neither a Raiders fan nor a Redskins fan, but I am a Bills
|>>>fan.
|>>
|>>It was NBC, not CBS.  I am a Redskins fan and also believe they were very
|>
|>No, it was CBS. Check again.

No, it was NBC. Check again.   It was an inter-conference game hosted by the
NFC team (Redskins), which by rule would be carried by the  NBC...

I think NBC gets carried away since that's one of the rare chance that they
had a nationally televised Redskins home game, and somehow someone from the
booth thought they had discovered "Hail to the Redskins"...  If you watched
the pre-game show, they actually showed the same scene right before the
game..
                           
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