From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:23:44 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov13.200042.316@usl.edu> sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) writes:
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>The "volatile political situation" is at least partly caused by the
>atrocious human rights record of the government over the years.

The volatile political situation is caused by the fact that india
is a country with a wide mixture of religions, cultures and races
who are only concerned with their own selfish needs.

>A military crackdown may not have taken place because of some other
>reason. For instance, the Indian armed forces are so fragmented
>that there is no "nucleus" around which to build a coalition of some
>sort which can take over the country.

I think you are very badly mistaken. The military cannot take over
because india is a true democracy, thus a military takeover is
completely unacceptable to the people and the politicians.

>I guess you got carried away a little too much ---- "world's largest
>democracy" *may be* acceptable, but the "prime example of democracy" ?
>Indeed if democracy were a product, and you were trying to sell it,
>then I must say that your choice of the model is pretty poor.

I dont know what you are using to measure thow democratic a nations is.
I have lived in four countries, including U.S.A. and India.
USA and India are two examples of countries that are democratic.
The other two countries like to call themselves democracies but they
are not - I know that having lived there [I'm talking about Malaysia
and Singapore].

In countries like Malaysia and Singapore, oppositions to the governments views 
are simply not allowed to exist, so they don't have problems in like that in 
India. There is no freedom of the press, of religion, of politicial affiliation.
It is because of the very fact that India is so free that it has many
of these problems.

Yes India is un-democratic in many ways, but we live in an imperfect world.
When compared to other third world countries, India definitely stands out
as a prime example of democracy.

>So, ensuring that human rights abuses don't take place is "impossible". 
>Therefore, why make a hue and cry about it, right ? Well, this is another lame 
>excuse that the Indian government and its spokespersons normally indulge in 
>(the other one being the "logic" that says human rights are "luxuries" which 
>only the advanced Western countries can afford and that developing countries 
>like India have to give lower priority to things like human rights).

Your ignorance and lack of understanding continues to astound me to new 
depths of sadness for you, and for India.
The American press has very much maligned India, I suspect your information
is not firsthand, but from the western press or some other dubious source.

It is hard to argue with someone who deoesn't even understand the issues or have a background of information. Apparently it seems that you have been fed with 
a lot of propaganda. I recommed you read Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions.

You have no idea of the political realities of the world, or of countries
like USA, and India. India is more democratic than USA. India has a cleaner
record in intervening with outside nations.

Sure India is a poor country, and backward in many ways but you have FREEDOM.
Apparently you do not understand the value of FREEDOM.


>Sounds a lot like the rhetoric that is dished out from the Red Fort year
>after year after year.  Why then did the Indian Government under
>Mrs Indira Gandhi encourage secessionist activity in Sri Lanka
>by setting up training camps in Tamil Nadu ?
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>Regards,
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>--Sudhi.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu    Address : USL PO Box 41688,
>                          	                    Lafayette, LA 70504-1688.
>	                                            USA.

The issues you are bringing up are totally irrevelant.
USA's recored is much worse.
They tried to invade Cuba, and yes they set up training camps to too.
Perhaps you have no idea how much gross injustice USA has carried
out as the worlds top superpower under the excuse of protecting people
from vague things like dictactors, communism and et al.
	Yes I.G. may be guilty of everything you've said. So what's your point.
Do you know how much Ronald Reagan is guilty of?  Do you have any
understanding of the political realities of the world?
	You speak from ignorance. USA is a rich country. And this wealth
allows you to do many things. Many fall in this trap and think that wealth
is freedom. India is poor, but there is FREEDOM but I am very scared that
we may loose it.

Thanks

A. Lal.