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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:28:36 U
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From:         Joanne Leary <joanne_leary@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 3-M Security gates
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        Reply to:   RE>3-M Security gates
We've had our 3M system since 1978, and I can only recollect going through two
boxes of pins -- how many is that?  2000?  A few years ago, our gate used to
break incessantly -- every few patrons -- because the Campus Store was using a
system which was incompatible with ours (which is to say, their desensitized
books still carried enough residual juice to set off our alarm).  The problem
pretty much disappeared when the Campus Store changed their system.  Is it
possible the frequent alarms you are experiencing is related to a similar
off-site problem?  Or perhaps there are too many terminals too close to your
gate.  We had that snafu, too, and got it fixed by installing a nulling
antenna.

If the frequent breaks are really on account of people leaving with library
material (and not "false alarms" from another cause which may be remedied), I
don't know what you can do to minimize the cost of all those pins.  Some
unknown person here, either through distraction or stupidity,  once put a thick
brass screw down the pin slot, and the unfortunate patron to ring the bell
after the deed was done nearly landed in the hospital.  The guy took a flip
over the immovable bar and could have broken his neck.

I hope you can find a lower-cost solution, but of course don't compromise
safety on a cheaper (but inferior) product.

Joanne Leary
Cornell Engr Library
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From:         Wendy Calwhite <calwhitw@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: Kickstools: how many, and carpet vs. tile features?

Shirien:  We just bought 50 new ones and distributed them 10 per floor.  This is
in addition to the ones we had before and those horrid little wooden steps.  It
still seems as if there is never one around when you want one.  My ideal would
be one kickstool for each aisle, but one for every three is pretty reasonable.
As to special features, I would suggest NOT buying the brand we did, because
they are not very well-made and sturdiness is important, especially for carpeted
areas.  Also, larger wheels roll better on carpeting.

(You're really getting carpeting??!!  You Lucky Duck!)

Wendy - Stx
OSU

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Here's a quick question for stacks maintenance folks:  What is
your average number of ranges per kickstool?  I assume one
kickstool for every three ranges is reasonable, but that it would
depend on how long the ranges are.  It's easier to find a
kickstool within three ranges when the ranges are shorter (7
sections) than when they're longer (15-16 sections) long.
Anybody?

Also, since we're currently in a non-carpeted building but will
have carpets in some areas of the new building:  are there any
particular features of kickstools we should look for?  Do they all
work equally well on tile and carpet?  (I know Rusty Bill:  the
wheels should all rotate...  :)   )

Thanks.



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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WEATHER: ( !!!

>                                       I thought I had mistakenly logged on to
>a Weather list, and not Circplus!
>***I agree...too much on weather.


Ahh...but not so long ago, there was conducted an informal
study on weather vs. circulation.  There is indeed a corellation.

For example...more books were checked out before a predicted
snowstorm.

More books circulated on the Friday before a weekend that was predicted
to be lousy.

DURING bad weather, circulation drops off.

And this was all done without the benefit of one federal dollar!

Meterologically...
Rustbelt
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From:         GEFFNER@SJC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STUDENT ASSISTANTS

Our financial aid office at Saint Joseph College has developed a financial
aid worker handbook detailing workers' rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES in their
campus employment.

I'm sure your financial aid office could develop a similar manual to prevent
potential problems.  Providing this type of information to all supervisors
and employees of any type would seem to be a necessity these days.

If you cannot get cooperation from the financial aid office, find out who
supervises them and suggest this to them.  Your human resources department,
assuming they provide adequate manuals, might also be used to pressure
financial aid into providing adequate guidelines.

Failing to provide information on hearings, sexual harassment, and
evaluation standards is asking for a lawsuit.  Failing to provide college
staff with guidelines on termination of workers is utter stupidity:
certainly theft, vandalism and violence/threat of violence should result
in automatic termination.  A number should be set for the amount of
unexcused absences as well as for verbal and written warnings required for
termination.

Perhaps your financial aid staff are ignorant/lazy?  Perhaps there is a
government manual they could share with you?

Ann Williams, Circulation, Saint Joseph College (CT)
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:52:28 HST
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From:         "Susan Murata" <SMURATA@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Kickstools: how many, and carpet vs. tile features?

 * Here's a quick question for stacks maintenance folks:  What is
 * your average number of ranges per kickstool?  I assume one
 * kickstool for every three ranges is reasonable, but that it would
 * depend on how long the ranges are.  It's easier to find a
 * kickstool within three ranges when the ranges are shorter (7
 * sections) than when they're longer (15-16 sections) long.
 * Anybody?

 Our current average is 1 kickstool for every 66.51 sections.  We obviously
 need more...but with the usual budgetary problems...  Probably a good average
 would be 1 for every 30 sections.

 * Also, since we're currently in a non-carpeted building but will
 * have carpets in some areas of the new building:  are there any
 * particular features of kickstools we should look for?  Do they all
 * work equally well on tile and carpet?  (I know Rusty Bill:  the
 * wheels should all rotate...  :)   )
 *

 We've received a shipment of KiK-Step stools that are very good.  They come
 unassembled, but with simple instructions to put them together.  These are
 14" high, 2 step ones.  My only concern is the plastic wheels -  I don't know
 how durable they'd be.

 We also ordered some 18", 2-step ones (we have short people in Hawaii, plus we
 shelve some areas 7-9 shelves high) that aren't as good because there is only a
 top shoes.  so...caution signs are on the stools.

 Susan Murata
 University of Hawaii
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From:         Molly Drahn <MDRAHN@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Total Quality Management

I, also would be interested in hearing about TQM programs in a ccess
services units.  June, will you please post your results?

Molly Drahn
Access Services Manager
Architecture and Allied Arts Library
University of Oregon
mdrahn@oregon.uoregon.edu
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From:         Mary Kay <R1MKB@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The weather!

Jim, the Ark is ready...I have my tickets.......bye
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1992 11:52:16 EST
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From:         Jackie Blythe <ALI00JBB@UNCCVM.BITNET>

SET CIRCPLUS MAIL
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:46:04 EDT
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From:         CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET
Subject:      3-M Security gates

We are spending too much money on those little silver pins inside the security
gate--the ones which are designed to break off when the patron hits the locked
gate (to avoid injury)...they cost about 35 cents each, and we go through at
least 5 or 6 a day.....Has anyone else got this problem?  Has anyone else
solved it?  The Head of Public Services here, who is not on the net yet, asked
me to pose this question...Thanks for any assistance.

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From:         Joanne Leary <joanne_leary@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re kickstools
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                       Subject:                               Time:10:54 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          Re kickstools                          Date:7/22/92
Please do not skimp on kickstools -- one per every three ailses is probably OK
for stacks 7 feet or under, but you should keep in mind that people will seldom
bother to look for a stool if it's not immediately at hand.  They will instead
attempt to reach that great big book on the top shelf by either stretching and
grabbing onto the very bottom sixteenth of an inch of the spine, or even
scaling the lower shelves to extend their reach.  As you know, this can be a
real safety hazard.

I learned the hard way that inadequate numbers of step stools can have terrible
consequences when other less-than-ideal conditions exist.  Recently, a patron
attempted to get a large book down from the top shelf, lost his grip on the
book; the book smashed into the overhead fluorescent light (yes, the
unprotected light was actually several inches BELOW the top shelf of books) and
miniscule glass shards flew all over.  The patron got beaned, but was not
otherwise hurt, because he closed his eyes and shielded his face when the book
slipped from his hand.  All this was bad enough, but when I got down to the
scene of the accident a few minutes later, I saw the smashed ballast smoking
and putting out sparks... we could have had a fire as well as a blinded patron.

The stack area where this happened is asking for accidents: very tall, closely
spaced stacks with large heavy books, insufficient lighting, unprotected
fluorescents suspended from the top of the stacks rather than from the ceiling,
etc.  Needless to say, we have started planning a renovation project which will
surely cost many thousands and take a good while to complete, but in the
interim we have requested enough kick stools to place one in every aisle.  Live
and learn.

Joanne Leary
Cornell Engr Library
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:54:02 -0500
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From:         SHONTZ%ATHENA.DECNET@UTHSCSA1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: after hours

As far as I am concerned two staff on duty is minimal, no matter how small the
library is.  If you have multiple service points you may need more.

David Shontz
UT Health Science Center-San Antonio
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:18:42 EDT
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From:         Mary kay <R1MKB@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The weather

Lucia: I'll be happy to send the rain you way. I'm tired of running down to
my basement when the tornado warnings come on. We had some in our county
early in the month and the damage was devastating (no deaths-no injuries, lots
of property damage!!!) Maybe we can work out something!!! Thanks for your reply
!
Mary kay :)  ------>------@
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:35:53 MST
From:         Ed Ford <ATEDF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Closed Loop

from Ed Ford (920723:0935)

To All -

Closed Loop Summer 1992, Volume 2, Number 3, has been printed.  It is
entitled Statistics vs. Generative Models.  As I said a few days ago,
these will be distributed (thus reducing our postage costs) at the
conference and Mary Powers will be given additional copies for non-
members wanting to buy this edition or prior copies.  The cost per copy
is $6.00 which includes shipping costs.  The other editions available
from this year are: Winter 1992, Volume 2, Number 1, Social Control;
and Spring 1992, Volume 2, Number 2, Epistemology.  Closed Loop can be
obtained for $6 per copy by sending your check payable to: Control
Systems Group and mailing it to our business office (Mary Powers) at:
73 Ridge Road, CR 510, Durango, CO 81301.

Ed Ford              ATEDF@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
10209 N. 56th St., Scottsdale, Arizona 85253            Ph.602 991-4860
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:47:49 MST
From:         Ed Ford <ATEDF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanks, Gary

from Ed Ford (920722:0847)

Gary,

I think the idea of listing all the portable demonstrations of
perceptual control theory is really great.  Those things really do help
and I for one could use them.

Also, the system I'm on through ASU here in Phoenix has always sent to
me through E-mail what I've sent out.  There are several advantages.
First, it tells me that what I sent out was received (although my
system tells me that as well) and secondly, it shows me how quickly
what I sent got out.

Finally, just a note of appreciation for you continued work in keeping
the CSGnet functioning.  Thanks.  Ed.

Ed Ford              ATEDF@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:11:09 CDT
From:         "Patricia Alfano" <upalfano@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>
Subject:      stick patterns ctd.
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[From Pat Alfano]

Monday July 27, 1992

To: Bill Powers and David Goldstein

Thanks for the input on the analysis for my stick patterns.

I guess I should have supplied more information with my request for help
on analyzing my stick pattern data.

My main goal in analyzing the data is to show that the stick test is not
necessarily testing what neuropsychologists say it is testing, and to
show, at least in part why this is so.  If I could also tell them what
it is testing, that would be a bonus.

Basically the stick test is thougt to be a test of spatial ability and to
require mental rotation.  It is thought to test ones' ability to find
one's way around in his or her environment, to read maps, etc.  If a
brain injured person has trouble doing this it is thought that the part
of the brain that performs mental rotation has been injured, and that
part of the brain is most likely on the right side, probably in the
temporoparietal area.

My argument is that there is no evidence that this task requires mental
rotation (whatever that is) in order to be successfully completed, and
that there is no evidence that it is a task of spatial aability
(whatever that is).

I know that to simply ask subjects what strategies thy used to complete
the task does not get at what they actually did, but, I was hoping to
show those who use the test that they need to discover exactly what it
is people are doing when performing the task; and to point out to them
that they are relying on assumptions when interpreting the results.  I
also wanted to point out that normal people have trouble doing the sick
test and therefore no conlcusions can be drawn about a brain injued
person who cannot do the test.

By the way, I did count errors.  I also videotaped subjects doing the
stick test during a pilot study.

I would like to make suggestions about how neuropsychologists should
look for what it is exactly people are doing when performing the stick
test or similar tasks.  You both have given me some ideas on what I
might suggest.

At the present I am not planning on studying the phenomenon myself,
but may be interested in doing so in the future.  I would like to
know what goes on in someones head when performing a task such as
this.  Have I set my sights too high?

Pat
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:22:00 CDT
From:         TJ0WAH1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Durango

[Wayne Hershberger 920726]

Rick Marken:
      Will you please bring the IBM version of your
spreadsheet program to Durango this week?  I would like to
get a copy of it and some coaching from you regarding its
potential use in a teaching lab.
      Regarding your lonely lament earlier today, are there
things the CSG Group is not currently doing that it could be
doing that might hasten the general acceptance of the
"truth" we are championing.  As Ed Ford might say, "Is it
working; are we getting what we want?"  Perhaps the issue
should be discussed seriously this week in Durango.

Warm regards, Wayne

Wayne A. Hershberger             Work: (815) 753-7097
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Department of Psychology         Home: (815) 758-3747
Northern Illinois University
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:26:52 EDT
From:         goldstein@SATURN.GLASSBORO.EDU
Subject:      stick patterns
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To: Pat Alfano
From: David Goldstein
Subject: re.: data analysis
Date: 06/21/92

Your question raises, in a concrete form, the issues involved in
how HPCT research differs from standard psychological research
which Rick Marken and others have been discussing in general
terms.

Bill Powers gave his answer. I will not try to improve upon it
but just observe from his answer:

(1) The experience which a subject was controlling was identified
in its most simple form. Bill identified it as the angle of a
single stick. Pat, do you agree with this alteration of the task?

(2) The seating arrangement of the subject with respect to the
experimenter was identified as a disturbance. Another one was the
angle of the experimenter's stick. Others would call these
independent variables. I note that the two disturbances
identified have an obvious impact on the experience. In that the
focus is on the control of experience, it is important to select
disturbances which will, without a doubt, impact on the
experience being studied. This is different than the standard
approach in which the effectiveness of the independent variable
is uncertain.

(3) Lots of data is collected from a single person. A person is
intensely studied. The expectation is that the phenomenon will be
apparent without statistics. I am not exactly sure what the
phenomenon is in your case. I guess it is that the ability of
people to control in this task varies with the angle of the lines
making up the pattern; diagonals present special problems to
people. Is this the phenomenon?

I was surprised that Bill chose time to be the main measurement.
I thought he would have chosen error, the difference between the
subject's stick angle and the experimenter's stick angle. Maybe
he can explain this choice.

(4) The task strategies which you identified are higher level
experiences which the person is controlling in the course of
performing the task. See Dick Robertson's comments about this in
the textbook he and Bill edited.

Just as an aside, I did a reasearch project related to yours when
I was a graduate student. There are interesting developmental
changes in the ability of people to perform such tasks. This was
in my pre-HPCT days.

Goldstein, D.M. & Wicklund, D.A. (1973). The acquisition of the
diagonal concept. Child Development, 44, 210-213.

Best of luck with your research project.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:43:27 EDT
From:         mmt@BEN.DCIEM.DND.CA
Subject: Re: Energy, Entropy, Info

[Martin Taylor 920724 13:40]

Correction.  Nicolis does say that the fastest computers are approaching the
thermodynamic limit in terms of energy per bit of information.  But how close
that is, I am not sure.  I thought there were still several orders of magnitude
to go, but I guess I got that from other sources and imputed it to Nicolis.

Sorry.

Martin
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