From: walker@twix.unx.sas.com (Doug Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
Subject: Re: SAS/C - Borland C++
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:31:22 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: walker@twix.unx.sas.com


In article <1992Sep11.143722.24758@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring) writes:
|> I've got a really good idea.
|> 
|> 	Why don't all amiga 'C' programmers march on Borland int. head office
|> and demand a version of their brilliant 'C++' compiler be made for the amiga?

Good luck.  If the Amiga compiler marketplace was ten times its
current size, you might have a chance - maybe.

|> Why is it that our 'C' environment is still limited to the standard Shell with
|> a third party editor (Unless you can stand using LSE). Why can't someone bring
|> out a nice full-interactive, 2.04, font-sensitive, style guide conformant 
|> 'C++' compiler for the amiga, that makes programming a joy. If anyone has ever
|> seen Borland 'C++' or Borland 'C++' for windows, they will probably know what
|> i'm talking about. Even something nice like the Devpak Assembler editor would
|> be acceptable. We have to settle for unforgiving command line arguments and 
|> excuses for a text editor (Namely LSE V5.10a).

This is not true, even in version 5.  The workbench interface works just
fine with version 5.10.  You can set compiler options by simply clicking
a mouse button.  It's even better in 6.0 - the command-line options are
AmigaDOS 2.0-style, and therefore less cryptic; and the buttons in the
SCOPTS program match the command-line options by name.

|> 	What I'm trying to get at is, OS 2.0 is here, it's waiting, it's an 
|> operating system with a nice standard GUI and makes making GUI's alot easier,
|> yet the amiga seems to be SADLY lacking in a good interactive compiler. You
|> know, one with a nice little guage that fills up as it compiles, a listview
|> that shows all your errors back on the main editor screen. As you click on each
|> one, it loads each module file and jumps to the respecive line numbers. A 
|> source-level debugger that allows you to view strucutres as 'trees' and you 
|> just point and click at a member to watch it happening. 

Well, I can't promise a gauge that measures compiler progress (this
seems to be a less than high priority item to me), but Version 6.0 
does have the list window - it's called the message browser, SCMSG.
SCMSG interacts with any editor that supports AREXX.  We supply macros 
for CygnusED, TurboText, and SE (the new version of LSE).

|> 	This is all just mindless dreaming, but I really think that there are
|> enough serious amiga developers out there to warrent a BIG company like Borland
|> to produce one of there legendary products for our Amiga's. 'Borland C++ for 
|> Amiga' has a REAL nice ring to it. 

The Amiga compiler marketplace is miniscule compared to the PC compiler
marketplace.  Not even in the same ballpark.  We're talking two orders
of magnitude.  I don't think you'll see any interest from Borland.

|> 	So how about SAS/C 6.0? Does anyone have it? Can anyone comment on it?
|> Is it a BIG improvment?

I'll let others comment, I've had my piece on this before.  I just spent
the last three days showing it to people at World of Commodore, and the
first upgrades should be in people's hands this weekend.

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