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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel and/or Anne Lennox in Season 6???
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:24:26 GMT

In article <18omrdINNa4m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>  A friend of mine was watching the EmptyV Music Awards last night
>and said he thought he heard someone say something about either Peter
>Gabriel or Anne Lennox being a future guest star on an upcoming 
>episode of ST:TNG. 

You bet!  They're going to be playing Ferengi lovers who go on their honeymoon
on the Big E-D!  Big plot twists with Lwuaxana chasing after Pete!
		(you didn't really take Dana seriously, did you?)

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From: 00sdriddle@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Lost In Space" was better
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:11:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Sep29.171121.9971
Followup-To: misc.test,talk.bizarre,rec.arts.startrek.misc

In article <1992Sep26.232225.10792@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:
> I don't see what's so special about Star Trek.  "Lost in Space" was
> clearly superior, but you don't see five newsgroups devoted to Tobor.
> -
> -- 
>            .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
>           ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
>          the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637


	Lost in Space better than Star Trek?  Everyone knows 
Space: 1999 is better than both put together!

	=======>    ;)   
	look at the smiley before you flame, please.
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Subject: Re: New Trek Offering from Hallmark???
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:18:43 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

lockheed@nevada.edu (The Lockman) writes:

> In article <19qf7kINN36f@agate.berkeley.edu> pvelasq@uswnvg.com writes:
> >
> >>Hallmark will be offering a limited run (12 months) Star Trek "glitter
> >>dome".  The dome (remember those snow globes your grandma used to have?)
> >>will feature a scale model of the original Enterprise mounted in a 110mm
> >>globe which sits on a black base embossed with the Star Trek emblem in gold
> >>
> >>Margaret Hudacko
> >>margaret@ecebucolix.ncsu.edu
> > 
> >Margaret Hudacko,
> >A reliable source who is the district manager of Hallmark supplies for
> >the North West area of the State of Washington has NOT heard of this offerin
> >Are you sure?
> >Patty Velasquez.
> >
> >[Note - I've seen no notice of this either.  Can someone officially confirm 
> >	refute this? - ed.]
> 
> This "glitter dome" I've not heard of either.  The only thing I've heard of
> (AND I saw at a Hallmark just yesterday) was the Shuttlecraft Galileo.  There
> an ad on TV featuring Leonard Nimoy regarding this item....
>  
> Steve
> 
> 

I can't say when the dome is coming out, but I was walking by a Hallmark store
a few weeks ago and I saw a poster advertising the dome in the front
window.  So they will by having it, sometime.  The price was  about
50.00 dollars.  I think it had some lights and other stuff as well, so
it wasn't the small "shake it upside down" type of snow globe.  I guess
we'll just have to wait and see.


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From: mkelly@goofus.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: TNG has only 3 plots, and it keeps reusing them!
Reply-To: mkelly@goofus.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:57:18 GMT

bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

	[Brian's article about common plots is at the end of my reply]

The common plots were good, but don't forget to mix in some overused
"character" bits...

Picard orders tea, earl grey, hot.

Troi is possessed by aliens.

Worf looses a fight, unless it is against another Klingon.

Geordi and Data run a level one diagnostic.

Worf looses at cards. (but then again, why would anyone play cards
against an android, an empath, and someone who can use his VISOR to
detect a rise in body temperature.)

Guinan says "There are some people who believe..."

|> After having watched TNG for all of five seasons now, I've come to the
|> conclusion that the writers have only three plots for the show, and
|> they continually just rehash these plots by switching characters
|> around or changing the names of the alien races involved.
|> 
|> (1) Troi falls in love.  She becomes romantically involved with a
|> member of an alien race, but then either the alien is revealed to not
|> be what he says he is, or else something changes in the alien's life
|> so that he can no longer continue the romance.  After some sort of
|> catharsis occurs, Troi makes peace with the alien and decides to
|> remain on the Enterprise.
|> 
|> (2) Data wants to be human.  He is put into a situation where his
|> android qualities really stand out against the people around him, and
|> expresses a wish that he could have emotions.  However, some quality
|> of his android nature proves to be critical to resolving the plot of
|> the episode.
|> 
|> (3) A mysterious alien force captures or takes over the Enterprise or
|> one of its senior officers, putting everyone's lives in jeopardy.  The
|> crew makes one or two unsuccessful attempts to get out of the
|> situation, but then finally someone has a hunch that turns out to be
|> the key to solving the problem, and everything returns to normal.
|> 
|> It seems to me that the best TNG episodes were those that didn't
|> follow any of these three formulas.
|> 
|> Am I right, or what?  ;)
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+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                  + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
From: 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: New Women on TNG? (DS9 spoilers)
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:48:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Oct1.134839.10023

With O'Brien moving over to ST:DS9 in January, do you think they'll 
introduce a new transporter chief?  If so, let's hope she's female.

With Ensign Ro off the show and Keiko leaving with Miles, we only have
Bev and Deanna as regulars, Guinan and Ogawa (Dr. or Nurse?) as semi-
regulars, and Lwaxana as a guest.

Compare that with Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and Worf as regulars,
Alexander as a semi-regular, and Wesley, Q, and Barclay as guests.

I for one would like to see one primary ensign to replace Ro on the
bridge and a new transporter chief, both female.

For that matter, let's hope that someone new will be recognizably
alien.  Any suggestions?

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From: deutsch@cs.arizona.edu (Reverend Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Barclay actor
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:04:58 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <MGATES.92Sep30133709@entiat.boeing.com> mgates@entiat.boeing.com (Michael Gates) writes:
>Is the actor who plays Barclay the same guy who played the crazy guy 
>from the A-Team?


Yes- his name is Dwight Schultz and he played Murdock on the A-Team.
Incidently, I thought he was much better on the A-Team; hillarious!


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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Netiquette, sex, nudity, Peter David (was Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi")
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:18:28 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Oct6.113942.5643@gw.wmich.edu> adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>Ok, I have waited to respond to the remark about "faces".  I started reading
>the net last June and totally depend on the faces and other symbols used
>here.  I don't care how *properly* you write, humor and sarcastic remarks
>can be misunderstood.  A face also can save a paragraph of explanation.

Since most net.writers (myself included) adopt a conversational tone
in their postings, smilies and related punctuation are absolutely
essential.  They compensate for the nonverbal element which comprises
such a large part of conversational language.  Vocal inflection,
facial expression, gestures -- none of these comes through in a USENET
post.

I'm probably going to regret saying this, but I don't think anyone on
USENET writes well enough to express exact thoughts and feelings in
words alone (IMHO) -- our resident published author included.  This is
not to say that no one here is CAPABLE of writing well.  I think the
vast majority of contributors don't want to spend the time crafting a
post of unequivocal clarity and expression.  After all, we don't
converse with our peers in Ciceronian orations.  And most of us don't
write literary essays to USENET.

USENET is a forum with its own unique idiom.  Peter David has decided
to forego that idiom and rely on the precision of expression more
adapted to the written medium.  He seems quite willing to pay the
price of that tradeoff.

As long as one is willing to gently and patiently clarify his meaning
after the fact, I don't see any reason to compel him to follow any
particular convention.  However, when an author makes an inflammatory
statement with no indication of intent other than the words
themselves, the natural reaction of the reader is to rebut.  And then
the original author says something like "That was a joke, you
brainless pinhead!" and soon you have a flame war.

My preference, like that of many others, is to be understood correctly
the first time.  Toward that end, I try to be specific in my diction.
But knowing my limited capacity in that respect, I rely on the
"crutches" of the USENET idiom to help express what I say.

After all, it is the author's responsibility to accurately convey his
meaning.

Oh, BTW, I apologize for this article's having little or nothing to do
with sex or nudity, whose association with Peter David on the subject
line is purely coincidental (at least as far as I know :-).

Obligatory Star Trek:  Why doesn't Guinan have any eyebrows?
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Jay Windley                     | jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | Error non est sed facilitas.
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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: SEX, NUDITY, and Peter David
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:02:01 GMT

Just checking, Peter... (sorry, everyone else)

:-) :-) :-)


-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Time's Arrow -- Phillip Jose Farmer, anyone?
Date: 27 Sep 1992 23:01:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


  Just curious: did anyone here notice any "Farmer-ness" in this story?
The "life-essence" part and the Twain part certainly steered my thoughts
towards the Riverworld series... anyone else?

  Jeff

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Blasphemy
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:46:22 GMT

In article <f2cp73l@lynx.unm.edu>, quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.153034.202960@uctvax.uct.ac.za> naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>>GET ALL THIS lost in space SACRILIGE OUT OF THIS NEWSGROUP.
> 
> Ever wonder why some people go out of their way to make fun of Trek
> fen?...
> 
>>* naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za                                                 *
> 
> -- 
> Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
>  I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
>                           what I have now...

Ever wonder why some people seem to have no sense of humour?  :-)

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
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From: vnelson@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gerald Vernon Nelson)
Subject: Re: Model Painting
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:09:34 GMT

In <SS.92Sep30091315@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 21:56:26 GMT, jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer) said:

>jfarmer> What are the best colours for the main colour of the
>jfarmer> Enterprise-D to be used to paint the model?  And does anyone
>jfarmer> now anything about fibre optics?

I am assuming that you want to light up the model?
You can make a "light pipe" using clear plastic sprue
from another model.  Warm it up and bend it to shape,
polish the ends and put a light at one end.
Carve the plastic down to fit whatever holes you cut 
in the hull and glue in.

Vern Nelson
From: Anthony_Battles_-T@cso.3mail.3com.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re:Model Painting (The answer)
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:50:00 GMT


So far under this subject of what paint to use on the E-D. Everyone has 
put in their .02cents and still no answer.

Well, the answer is Duck Egg Blue.

You use that color to highlight details, such as panels or different 
sections of the ship. Depending on the size of the ship you are 
building, the directions will tell you where you need to paint. At first 
it may look like it is the wrong color. But when on a backdrop and the 
proper lighting it will look real enough.

Anthony
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Subject: Re: FASA
From: $stephan@sasb (Stephan Fassmann, Software)
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:46:57 -0700
Organization: BYU

In article <1992Oct3.152822.5875@tronsbox.xei.com> dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:
>Subject: Re: FASA
>From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
>Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:28:22 GMT
>In article <1992Oct2.103503.2224@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>|The RPG license is still up for grabs and with Gene gone I can see
>|Paramount selling the license to someone any time now....
>
>	Last I heard, there were two companies bidding for the rights when
>Paramount decided that they needed to re-evaluate whether or not they really
>had anything to gain from a ST RPG and pulled the license from the market
>pending further study.
>
>	One of the two was Steve Jackson Games; don't know who the other was.
>
>
>dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com   ...uunet!tronsbox!dfrancis     GEnie: D.HEFFERNAN1
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>you learned; if it's not happenning to me it's not important?" -Murphy Brown
>

The other is Task Force Games. Who also put out a combat simulator called 
Star Fleet Battles.

Stephan Fassmann  Internet: $stephan@sasb.byu.edu  GEnie: S.FASSMANN
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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TMP and ST:TNG music
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:48:00 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep29.152929.7845@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:
>
>On a similar note, here, I notice that Cliff Eidelman seems to have succumbed
>to James Horner syndrome. The trailer I saw for 1492 sounded very similar
>to that for STVI, so I was not surprised to notice his name on the soundtrack
>credit. It might even have been the same piece of music.
>
It probably is the same piece of music, but it won't appear anywhere
in the film.  Often, trailers are put together and released long before
the movie's soundtrack has been prepared, so the studios just use whatever
appropriate music they already have in their library.  Note the TV trailer
for "Last of the Mohicans" using the theme from "The Abyss" - both
20th Century Fox productions.  I'll bet 1492 comes from Paramount, right? 


-- 
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Question about Barclay actor
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:37:17 GMT

ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:
>mgates@entiat.boeing.com (Michael Gates) writes:

>> Is the actor who plays Barclay the same guy who played the crazy guy 
>> from the A-Team?

>  Yes.  Dwight Schultz played Murdock on the A-Team. 

Still would rather have "Murdock" on STNG & "Broccoli" on A-Team!!!

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Subject: Re: RIKER: tailcoat-riding pussy?
From: hef@vitro.com
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:14:30 -0500
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Nntp-Posting-User: mbwatch

In article <e39VRB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP>, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
> 
> Don't forget the massacre of 39 Starfleet ships by the Borg at Wolf 359. 
> It isn't revealed how many people (if any) survived, but the odds are 
> that all the captains died.

Remember in BOBW1 when Riker was offered the captaincy of the Melbourne?
When the Big E was traversing the ships' graveyard in BOBW2, Shelby was
reciting the names of the destroyed ships she recognized.  One of these
was the Melbourne!

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:44:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.195920.1877@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
> In article <1992Oct01.134001.130733@watson.ibm.com> rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
>>>The uniforms were a one piece "jumpsuit" type in the first season of TNG.
>>>They went to a two-piece uniform because many of them men found it quite
>>>uncomfortable when they sat down as it did tend to "ride up" in certain
>>>areas.  I believe the uniform change came in season 2.
>>>
>>
>>   FYI, the uniform change came in season 3 (not that its a biggie) :-).
>>IMHO, the old uniforms were FUGLY!  However, the unifroms in "Yesterday's
>>Enterprise" were excellent!
> 
> Yes, but they still haven't solved the problem of giving her a symmetric
> neckline.  I don't know if it's intentional, or just a problem of
> tight tops on, er, full-figured women, but any time Marina Sirtis has a
> low neckline on her uniform, it always "points" to one side or the other.
> (Personally, I find it a bit distracting.  But then, I thought the first
> season of TNG should have been retitled "Star Trek: The Large-Busted Women".
> I can't help but wonder if that was a ratings tactic...)
> -- 
> Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
> jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
>         There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
>        Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.

Jon:

The asymmetrical neckline is a holdover from ST:TOS.  If you notice, the lower-
cut uniform necklines on TOS were always asymmetrical, and since Troi's stuff
was mostly designed by William Ware Theiss who was the designer on TOS and 
who *loves* asymmetry, he kept that look.  It has nothing to do with her
bustline.  According to Marina Sirtis, the reason why so many of the female 
extras and guests on TNG are large-breasted is because the casting director
has a thing about big boobs.  Figures.

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: tatlow@dash.lmo.dec.com (Tom Tatlow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Points of view
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:29:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct5.162942.26863
Reply-To: tatlow@athena.lmo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, AI Technology Center


After seeing "Realm of Fear," I started wondering about some
"point of view" (POV) issues in Star Trek.

In "Realm of Fear," we see someone being transported from HIS
point of view.  (Even though I think of lot of that episode's 
views of transporters were bogus.)  I can't remember ever seeing a
transport from the transported person's POV before.  Has this 
ever happened? (TOS, movies, or TNG)

The other big POV issue I've been thinking about has to do with the
turbolifts.  Occasionally, we (the camera) are with people waiting
for a turbolift and when the turbolift arrives, there's already
someone inside (this happened in TAI, for example).  However, I
can't recall a single occasion where "we" are in the turbolift and
it stops to let someone in.  Has this ever happened?

Thanks...

T?

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From: R39R000 <R39R@UNB.CA>
Subject: Denise Crosby's characters
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:40:39 GMT

Does anyone know if any of Denise Crosby's characters (tasha,sela)
will be making an appearance this season?

Jim Cyr.