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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Best bikes of '73
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:04:16 GMT

In <361.2B0850F8@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

>Monday November 16 1992 16:32, Alan Fleming wrote to All:

> AF> Well, the Kaw H2 (that 2-stroke 750 triple we've seen mentioned lately)
> AF> was one of them.  I've had the pleasure of riding my friend's a few
> AF> times.

> >> What were they like to ride?
> AF> Really fast acceleration.  Get used to seeing the front wheel in the
> AF> air.

>Below the sweet spot at around 8k rpm, dogs. Hit the sweet spot with the
>grip wound open, and you alway got a wheelie. Basically an on/off switch.
>Both the H1 and H2 I had wanted to be run wound out all the time.

> >> How fast did they go?
> AF> My friend's tops out around 120 or so, but from 60 to top speed happens
> AF> really, really fast.

>Yes. It would chug like a locomotive getting underway and suddenly the sound
>would change to a bumble bee hum and your arms would stretch instantly.

  My H2 used to surge violently if I tried to maintain a steady speed and
as a result I had to always slightly speed up or slow down. Was this
normal? I had Bassani's and K&N's and the bike used to moan when opened
up at low rpm, then as it came on the pipes the sound would change and
the hair on my neck would stand up.
 
>John

>--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
>--  
>John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
>DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
>ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
>She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous








Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: VESPA
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:06:42 GMT

In article <17NOV199212540586@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:
>Does anyone in this group ever talk about Vespas?  Any interest in Vespas?

I think Rich bemben's mother rides one ...

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|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|       My buddy and I just did it on a CM400 and a Nighthawk S.           |
|                  All the way from Philly, too.                           |
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|                          -- Eric Rescorla                                |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Alcohol fuels
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:53:03 GMT

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>Right on.  I'd be interested in the economics of corn growing given that
>fertilizer is now a requisite for growing corn and fertilizer is a
>petroleum product.

	Back home the only petroleum used was to power the John Deere.
We let the pigs and cattle handle the rest of the conversion from corn
and soybeans to fertilizer.

>  I'd like anyone who has romantic visions of farming
>to drive across old rt 6 in Iowa.  That grey, lifeless earth was once
>vital soil.  Now it is merely an inert matrix used to temporarily
>hold fertilizer and moisture.  The soil has long passed its lifetime.
>It is already dead.

	And putting out 200 bushel per acre along what I see.  While I
agree that improper farming will essentially kill the soil for many
years, the fact remains that proper farming need not decrease yields
or harm the soil at all.  Perhaps you drove along after harvest or
shortly after planting?

	In case anybody is wondering, corn is piled in the streets
around this state as we've not enough bin capacity to house it all.
And this was not considered a particularly good growing season.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:40:30 GMT

In article <By209y.49F@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
|Finally a voice of reason. Couldn't have said it better. Having riding without
|a helmet a couple of times, just to see what all this 'can't hear/can't see'
|BS is all about, I know that virtually any sound is masked by wind and engine
|noise at speeds over 30mph.

  Finally, another total ignoramous that can't read.

  If you would read a little closer, Roland, instead of rushing in to prove
what a fool you are, you might have noticed that the original poster was only
saying that at speeds LESS than 30 mph was the helmet a hindrance to useful
vision and hearing.  I agree with the usefullness of a helmet at higher
speeds.

| As stated, the argument that a helme impairs
|vision is so obviously and utterly false, it discredits anyone using it.

  Oh, I'm SURE it does...  JUST on your say-so, in fact...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: jessea@vpmeu015.me.vp.com (Jesse W. Asher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:26:34 GMT
Organization: Varco-Pruden Buildings

I've just starting riding and I'm curious as to what people recommend
for keeping your legs from freezing during the winter.  Living in the
south, the weather isn't terrible (it sometimes doesn't snow at all
here), but it can still get cold.  Besides, even if the temp is just
chilly, riding 60MPH can freeze your buns.  So, what to you, the
experienced rider, recommend for leg protection?  What about leggings?

-- 
      Jesse W. Asher                                          (901)762-6000
                             Varco-Pruden Buildings
                 6000 Poplar Ave., Suite 400, Memphis, TN  38119
    Internet: jessea@vpbuild.vp.com                   UUCP: vpbuild!jessea
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:29:18 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <daved.722113328@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

>I have been thinking of the same trip, fortunatley I already have 
>the perfect bike for it. The Honda ST1100.

>It's an easy 300 mile per day bike, you could probably handle 500 mile
>per day if your willing to cruise at 80.

??

What's the point of having an ST1100 if you're _not_ willing to cruise
at 80mph? Many 500cc bikes will cruise happily and smoothly at 80 all
day, and put 500 comfortable miles a day behind them easily. The only
reason I'd prefer an ST1100 over my current 500cc Guzzi is that I get
fed up cruising at only 80.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Norton Plans
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:20:32 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <BxrwnA.C13@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what Norton's current status is? I thought they were supposed
>to release a street version of their successful rotary racer. 
>

Nortons are available in two forms - touring and sports.

The (touring) Norton Commander is currently available at around 6,500 pounds
(about the same price as a Triumph 900, or a Honda 750. It is in the flavour
of a BMW with a larg.e fairing, and provisions for Krauser panniers.
Probably good value, although not a uptodate in equipment as other tourers.
The police use them in the West Midlands area (where I live), and I have
been to the factory to have a look round. It's about 5 miles away.

The (sporty) Norton F1 has been available for about 2 - 3 years, and was
updated about a year ago. A third version has been shown in the UK national
bike rag, Mototrcycle News, and may (?) be unveiled this December at the UK
Bike Show, for sale next year.
The current version is around 8,500 pounds, and is not particularly fast or
light. Approximately 140 mph top speed. I've only ever seen one of these in
public, at a race meeting. Very rare indeed.

Norton as a company are financially unsound, and have been hanging on by the
skin of their teeth for the last two years. It ins't clear that they will
survive the current recession.

Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor DoD #981 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)              Heard on Radio 4:-
"One of the first signs of the male menopause is buying a Harley Davidson."
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cycle World: the Pot Calling the Kettl
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> >Christ on a jetski, man,
>
> I thought he was the ONLY one who wouldn't need one...

 Sure, so he can walk on water - but who wants to WALK when they could
ride a jetski?


 "Son, go back to the dock and get me some more bait."

 "Awww, Dad, do I hafta?  Why'd You want to fish so far out, anyway?"

 "'cause that's where I put the fish, dumbass."
                                                                                                           
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:41:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.164640.4799@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>Roger Collier (rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com) wrote:
>: In article 1452@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>: I'm going to build a bike with a Viper V10 or maybe a Jaguar V12........
>: The local aerospace museum has a V2, but that's a German rocket intended for the
>: London market only.....

Aw, hell, why not just get an Allison V-16?

>:    _     #     Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM              # love and flowers and
>: o_/_\_o  #                                           # things that don't
>:  (O_O)   #     Sun Microsystems, Coventry, England.  # explode. I've used up
>:   \H/    #     (44) 203 692255                       # all of my magic powers
>:    U     #                                           # trying to do it in the
>:       DoD#226  GSXR1100L                             # road.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey!  I've been looking at this all week, and I finally figured out
that it's a tucked rider.  All this time I thought it was a crude
imitation of our own Geeky the Daemon, sticking his tongue out...

>Hey!  I had a Daimler Double-Six, I know just how fu**ing HUGE the Jag V12
>engine is!  You'd never get your legs around the bastard!  You'd have to let

Yeah, just sit inside the vee.

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: marrevola@rediris.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Yamaha V-Max specs
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:35:55 +0100
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <1992Nov19.020109.6045@godzilla.quotron.com>, rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee) writes:
> Does anyone have any specs on the Yamaha V-Max? Hp, torque, mpg, are
> basically what I'm interested in. This brochure I have claims that it
> is the worlds most powerful stock bike (not the fastest) but doesn't give
> any detailed specs. Also, is it shaft-driven? Thats what it looks like from
> the photos in the brochure. I would really be interested in hearing from any
> V-Max owners on their perceptions of the bike.   
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Rich
> 
> | currently no sig. |
> 

First versions of the V-Max had 145 hp (measured in the crankshat), but the
latest ones seem to lack the "power boost" feature (it is a mechanism that
communicates two carbs above 6000 rpm and increases engine power), they seem
to have 120-125 hp. However, it is possible to install this feature. Of course
there are limitted versions (100 hp) in some European countries.

At this moment the most powerful bike is the Bimota Furano, with an EXUP
prepared engine which gives 164 hp, but for most people it is the Kawasaki
ZX-11 with 152 hp measured at the clutch (as Motociclismo magazine says).

manolo@taf.fundesco.es
ZX-11
DR-600-S
DoD #1033
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> kill only their riders. The morality of motorcycling is impeccable:
-> if you make a mistake it is most likely you who will suffer for it.

 That also applies to maintenance.  After the mouth-breathers at the
local Kawasaki shop didn't bother to secure the rear wheel after
adjusting the chain for "mandatory warranty service", I bought a shop
manual and told them to stick their warranty.  I've done my own work
since.

 Better my mistakes than someone else's.
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Volvo madness
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:24:05 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu
Summary: 4 wheels in air

In article <By4sLx.GJG@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>I guess safety and security are dull, boring, and just plain don't sell
>cars. Check out the latest Volvo ad in the car magazines, it features a
>completely airborne sedan (ok, so it's only a few inches of air under
>each wheel, but not bad for a 2-ton cage), and it pitches the Volvo as a
>performance car.

It pitches the Volvo as a fun-to-drive car ("why do you need a
sports car when you can have one like this?").

>Hey Bill, as KotV, I think it's your duty to attempt a recreation of
>this feat.

It's not that difficult.  Pretty exciting, too.

I accomplished the "feat" once on a well-graded dirt road
in the Mojave Desert.  After a long straight sandy stretch,
the road crossed the toe of an alluvial fan, where it became
twisty and gravelly.  I was enjoying drifting my 122S
around the turns until the rear end swung too far out on
one turn.  "Hey," I said to myself, "maybe I'm using too
much gas".  So I lifted up on the gas pedal.

Sure enough, the rear wheels caught traction again.
Unfortunately, the car was completely sideways in the road
at this point, so the traction caused it to launch itself
at the berm on the inside of the turn.  My eyes immediately
stretched to the size of pie plates (OK, so I didn't look
in the mirror!  They were big) as the car sailed through the
air.

We landed in a cloud of dust to the tune of about a bushel
of gravel rattling around the engine compartment.  Total
damage:  The fan belt was cracked and inside-out, from
encounters with gravel.

Better than a high side, I guess.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:43:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.121615.3330@cs.hw.ac.uk>,
 geirs@cs.hw.ac.uk (Geir Solvang) writes:
|> I have seen a lot of hostility against helmet laws
 in this newsgroup, and they all seem to come from the states
. Perhaps idealy it should be legal to decide for yoursel
f whether you want to wear a helmet or not, especially if
 you come from the land of the|>  free, home of the brave
 (or something similar crappy)!).
|> 
|> But why on earth would anyone *NOT* wear a helmet.
 A guy with a 100$ head wear a 100$ helmet. If you are not
 wearing a helemet at all, you must really be an complete
 and utter idiot! In general I consider people riding without
 a helmet not to be a REAL bi|> ker. From where I come from
 it's just stupid kids that ever ride without a helmet.
|> 
|> On the other side. If you can't take care of yourself,
 perhaps you don't deserve others to do it for you.
|> 
|> Geir


I agree to certain degree with your view towards helmets, in that
its a good idea to wear one, but we poor colonists here happen
to prefer to make the choice on our own.  Personally, I feel that
if someone doen't want to wear one that's ok, I just feel that the
tax payer or other payers of insurance premiums should not have to
support him or her as a vegatable if they survive an accident but
are incapcitated.  Just seems like natural selection in action to
me.

I must however take a strong exception to your un-witty bashing of
the USA!  We went to alot of bother to throw the bloody king out on
his ass and I'll kindly thank you to keep your opinions as a Royal
SUBJECT to yourself!  Quite frankly, you should join me and your
other Celtic brothers and sisters over here where we don't have to
bow to an ENGLISH queen.  Unless of course, you have a special
attraction to queens in general.

Larry
Free Celtic-American
Support your right to keep and bear Malamutes! (and semi-autos)
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Break-in (what is it?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:19:52 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <2320@pico.qpsx.oz.au>, conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake) writes:

> "the trouble with jerks like you is that you end up running the country"
> 	- if you can't place that quote you're not young & hip. Nor


Possibly the worst thing I can think of being is young and hip.

Terry

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "You got, ahh say you got it all     |
 | DoD# 541   'Debunkers of Dogma'    |  wrong son"      Foghorn Leghorn     |
 | HIFI#                              |                                      |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Norton Plans
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:54:21 GMT

In article <BxtK68.Ey0@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know what Norton's current status is? I thought they were supposed
>>to release a street version of their successful rotary racer. 
>>
>
>The (sporty) Norton F1 has been available for about 2 - 3 years, and was
>updated about a year ago. A third version has been shown in the UK national
>bike rag, Mototrcycle News, and may (?) be unveiled this December at the UK
>Bike Show, for sale next year.
>The current version is around 8,500 pounds, and is not particularly fast or
>light. Approximately 140 mph top speed. I've only ever seen one of these in
>public, at a race meeting. Very rare indeed.
>

I know that the original rotary sprt bike had a number of severe shortcomings
that significantly decreased it power output. The 1993 model is supposed
to fix all that. If the price stays below 10,000 pounds I'd consider one.

I get all the British bike rags but it's been real quite around Norton 
lately and I was wondering if the went belly up again.

>Norton as a company are financially unsound, and have been hanging on by the
>skin of their teeth for the last two years. It ins't clear that they will
>survive the current recession.

That's my primary concern. No telling how long they'll be around. I had
great hopes a couple of years back, but unlike Triumph they seem to have
a real hard time.
-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Slip-sliding away (was Re: What would you ride...)
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:14:40 GMT
	<1992Nov17.214052.460@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <Bxw183.92L@news.iastate.edu>
	<1992Nov18.020307.19538@tcsi.com>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: markk@tcs.com's message of 18 Nov 92 02:03:07 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Nov 92 02:03:07 GMT, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) said:
Mark> At turn in, the motorcycle rotates about the cg not the contact
Mark> patches.
(etc.)
Mark> Winter's approaching, time for the "how does a motorcycle turn" flame
Mark> fest again.

Seems appropriate since one of the ONLY times a motorcycle will rotate
about the CG instead of the contact patch is in Winter :-)  Don't try
this at home without lots of flat-track experience.

Traction and vector components of force, yea, that's the ticket!
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:59:06 GMT

Andrew Michael Woodward (azw@aber.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: OK folks, so whats the net wisdom (!) here? Do you slide and wear yourself away
: in a short red stain; or tuck up an roll to avoid the rash, travel further 
: and end up under an oncoming cage as a hedgehog impersonator?
: 
: For uneducated colonial irrigants, hedgehogs are spiny flat animals whose
: natural habitat is dark roads.

I thought they were ball shaped.  Oh, I see, after they've been car'd.

It all depend on the situation, doesn't it.  If it was a wet road, I'd sooner
take my chance with a slide.  On a dry road, the roll is bound to win you far
more points for style, grace and survivability.  I slid once but i was wearing
a well-greased belstaff and got away fairly lightly for a 50MPH endo.  Wife
broke her little finger.  I wonder what she was doing to do that???  Strange
creatures, wives....


Nick (the Divorced Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Decree Absolute


M'Lud.
From: harmons@mithril.wv.tek.com (Harmon Sommer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Free Body (Well, cheap at least)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:41:26 GMT
Reply-To: harmons@mithril.wv.tek.com (Harmon Sommer)
Distribution: usa

Starting with the original illustration
>
>
>
>                       /
>                      /
>       	      /
>       `centrifugal /
>        force' <-- *
>                  /
>                 / | Gravity
>              ^ /  V
>       Support|/
>       ========= --> steering force ======


And recasting it slightly ("h" is distance from contact patch to cg)
 

                   /
                  /
                 *
             "h"/|
               / V Gravity (G)
              /  
             / /_ theta
            + -> Centripital (C)
            ^
            | Road (R)

Calculating a summation of moments about the cg yields

                               ^ (R)
                               | ++
                               *-> (C)
                            -- |
                               v (G)

Road and Gravity cancel out so CG is not moving vertically

++ is a positive moment equal to (h)(C)SINtheta
-- is a negative moment equal to (h)(R)COStheta

The moments cancel each other out so the bike is not rolling and
centripital remains to hold the  bike in a curve of constant radius

For a velocity of 44 ft/sec and theta = 60 degrees the radius will
be 104 ft.