HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Size of LGB Vote
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1dc7p1INN5pp@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>,
his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support
Engineer) writes:
|>population, but about 5% of the vote because JEWS VOTE.  I wonder whether
|>gays tend to vote or tend not too. 

Someone during (US) election coverage claimed that 96% of gays vote. 
Seemed high, 96% of any group is incredible. (Except that 100% of voters
vote, eh?)

Just another stright in Canada (I don't think we accept refugee claims
from Colorado, but has anyone thought of trying it?)
                               
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	"It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Gay Games contact info?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:38:46 GMT


Hello all,

I'm looking for contact information for the '94 Gay Games, to be held 
in New York City. Can anybody here give me a pointer? I'd prefer email,
rather than a followup here.

Thanks in advance ...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: huntting@advtech.uswest.com (Brad Huntting)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.205736.9819@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>Let's say that I have a store. Let's say that I have a Gay employee and that
>the people on this town do not like Gays for some reason. Let's say that
>I ahve nothing against Gays but that my bussiness is going straight into
>collapse because these people do not buy from my store due to the Gay 
>employee.
>Should I be able to fire him and start making some money with my store, or
>should I go into bankrupcy just because there is a law that says that I
>should not discriminate against Gays, when it was not me but my customers?
>So, the solution is: Keep the Gay until you both are out of bussiness?

Let's say this is just the hypothetical nonsence that it is!  There is
no such town in Colorado.  If your buisness is in boulder, denver, or
aspen then it's highly doubtfull you'd be discriminated against by
"people in this town".  If your buisness was elsewhere in the state,
then you would have been free to fire the guy (or gal) w/o ammendment 2.


brad
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Audre Lord
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:29:04 GMT

rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:


>Audre Lord, poet, writer, terroristress (:-)), died on
>Tuesday (11/17) after a long illness.
*sigh*

[poems, anyone?]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: mciver@kalkan.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.182934.20759@ncar.ucar.edu> pack@acd.ucar.edu (Daniel Packman) writes:
 [stuff deleted]
>
>But *my* neighbors didn't pass Amendment #2.  In fact, it was soundly
>defeated by Boulder, Aspen, and metro Denver.  All three areas have local
>laws (now, lamentably, at risk of being overturned) protecting gays from
>discrimination.  So, funded largely by out-of-state groups, and voted on
>by people out of our community, an amendment passes that affects the entire
>state.  So (for example) buy Boulder Beer, buy Denver Beer, Buy Aspen beer.
>Boycott Colorado beer from other towns.
>

I think it would be more reasonable to determine where each
company stands on the issue instead of assuming that these
companies are against the ammendment.

Perhaps part of the anti-Ammendment #2 effort should be to file
a corporate petition.  Those that fail to produce a statement
against the ammendment would be subject to the proposed boycott.


WJM


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Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.homosexual
From: youngman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (el gran pato)
Subject: Agenda Video
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:50:00 GMT



I am looking for a copy of the video "The Gay Rights Agenda."  Anyone know
where to get one?

Thanks...
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Military info needed
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:26:42 PST

In article <1992Nov13.170045.899@PacBell.COM>, on 13 Nov 1992 17:00:45 GMT,
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>
>> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>
>>Well, let's hope that Clinton has enough integrity to keep his campaign
>>pledge. Already there are rumblings that Admiral Crowe, the Chief of
>>Staff under Bush who defected to the Clinton camp, is attempting to
>>persuade Clinton against issuing the executive order.
>>
>>I can see the rationalization going something like: "Well, I really
>>would like to, but our military has convinced me that we need to study
>>the question for a while to determine the effect on the armed services
>>as a whole."
>
>I don't know how much more explicit Clinton has to be to
>convince people that he's really going to overturn the ban.

Well, I certainly hope you're right. But after all, it's only a campaign
promise. And George Bush was at least as explicit in his campaign pledge
of no new taxes.

        =Jack=
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:47735 alt.politics.homosexuality:7253
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: soc.motss.info (was Re: Gender Parity)
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:35:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov16.053505.9497
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1e74qeINNfel@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>I'd suggest that we create a "announcements only" version of soc.motss,
>but that's been processed to death on this newsgroup until my mind
>turned into mincemeat too.

actually, *last* time we talked about this (as far as I know), we got
to the point where a bunch of people said "yeah, a newsgroup for
informational postings might be useful", and then no one agreed to do
the actual work of creating the group.

It's not *that* complex. Someone needs to post an official RFD to the
appropriate newsgroups. We talk about what a good or bad idea
soc.motss.info is for at least three weeks, until we all come to a
vague consensus about what the group should be like, what it's charter
should be, if it should be moderated, who moderates it (Roger Klorese
volunteered once, so did Bob Donahue and a few others), etc. Then
someone posts an official call for votes, tabulates votes for a few
weeks, and reports the result. It's not that big a deal, but it is a
Responsibility.

And Tom, you're quickly establishing yourself as a Usenet guru, what
with your INN help sheet and all. I bet *you* could run the RFD/CFV
just fine. We'd all love you for it.
                __
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:48805 alt.politics.homosexuality:7507 co.general:1974
From: chuck@mtechca.maintech.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.general
Subject: Barbara is wrong
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:05:51 PST
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA.

THIn article <1992Nov18.181602.14372@neocad.com>, wurtz@neocad.com (Tom Wurtz) writes:
> taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) writes:
> 
>>having seen that Boulder, Denver, and just about every other major population
>>center voted it down,
> 
> I have seen this assertion a couple of times and I want to point out that
> the reason this legislation passed is that it passed in almost every
> suburban county around Denver, Boulder being an exception (I could be
> wrong about Adams county). The measure was defeated in Boulder and Denver
> cities, but passed in the rest of the Denver metro area. It could never
> have passed statewide had this not occurred. Draw your own conclusions
> about the makeup of these suburban counties.
> 
> t
> 

  This measure passed due to the fact  that U.S. citizens have had 
  "enough" as Barbard Striesand put it, of protectionist legislation!
  This  has nothing to do with Gay Rights, but instead the declaration
  of equality based on the elimination of prejudice...not the illegal
  imposition of barriern breakin rules.

Xref: sparky soc.motss:48328 soc.bi:15300
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: Re: CO-2
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:16:40 GMT
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In article <1992Nov17.231104.714@wam.umd.edu> corydin@wam.umd.edu (Tim Lachine) writes:
>I don't get it, what does carbon dioxide have to do with being gay?

Well, in both cases, sublimation can occur when exposed to
the wrong environment.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: colorado springs
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.234740.21271@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:
>
>MY favorite is still the little christian fish with the red circle and
>slash through it.
>
My favorite is the little christian fish, with little legs attached, and
Darwin written inside the fish.  Love that one!

--pale--bitter--stout--
	Sandy
From: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:05:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:

>  A radical new definition of Gaypeople  (I just made it up,
>  somewhat tired of the `desire' / `activity' distinction).

>  A 'gayperson' is someone of the same sex  whom you want to
>  take home and have sex with who wants to go home with you.
>  ...you get the idea...


Sex at home. That's not very _gay_. I want to have sex in a 
hotel ballroom (what better place to hold some balls), in orbit 
over Florida (the sight of that huge peninsula drives me wild), 
in a condom factory (while the first gay presidential candidate 
stages a photo-op, condoms flying like flags behind him). 
You get the idea.


-----

Tom Flesher  (internet: ai888@cleveland.freenet.edu)

>>> Bigotry is merely cowardice in the face of complexity. <<<

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: History
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:01:55 GMT


In article <38882@hoptoad.uucp> laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura
Creighton) writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.112741.13654@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>About all I can manage is to be a kind of cheerleader and
>>amateur historian.

>That's all that anybody can do.  (Truncheons and teargas may
>make for warm memories of `being there', but we don't have
>the civil rights fights or the no-on-Viet-Nam fights to do
>any more.)

Sounds almost like nostalgia for the water cannon, dogs,
billy clubs, bayonets, and gas masks.  I certainly don't
share it.  Those things are disgusting.  People died and
were maimed.  There was terror everywhere.

I wouldn't be too sure we won't go through it again, either.

I don't agree that it's "all anybody can do," since some
people are situated to be able and motivated to do much
more, thank goodness.

>We can't leave it to the not-amateur historians -- they are
>all writing for other historians, and very rarely do they
>get to touch the popular media.  And they popular media is
>interested in myth-making, not history.

That suggests a curiously anti-intellectual attitude.  It's
simply not true that professional historians all write for
other historians.  I'm unsure what you mean by "get to touch
the popular media."  Historians are palpably less well known
than Madonna, if that's your point.  You've given the media
a raw deal here, too.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: gay culture
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:56 GMT
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In article <1992Nov18.233158.11847@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

   I went to talk to my English TA about my gay culture paper today (I posted
   something earlier about my paper).  She so graciously pointed out that
   there are many very conservative people in my class, and that one of these
   people might be the person grading my paper.  (We grade each other's papers
   in this class)  She told me that I should either write about part of gay
   culture that would not offend even the most close-minded people, or that I
   should choose another topic.  How does she expect me to write about any
   aspect of gay culture and still offend no one?  I think what she was really
   wanting me to do was to choose another topic.  Well, she can get over it. 
   This is what I want to write about, and I don't care who I offend in my class.

Good for you!

You could ask her if she'd say the same if you were writing about a
racial minority, or about a religion (many people might be offended by
judaism...)





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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Tired today for the right reasons
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:00:08 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.210431.2981@dptg.att.com>, jrw@dptg.att.com (Jim Webb) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.204415.21649@psych.toronto.edu>
|>            paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
|> 
|> > [ ....oh my..... ]
|> 
|> You haven't per chance been talking with Greg Parkinson
|> recently?
|> 
|> The reason I ask is the last time I had to take a cold
|> shower at work due to reading soc.motss was after reading
|> his 8 inches times 1 stroke per second times 30 minutes
|> posting.....

Really?  I thought it was just a simple word problem,
like we used to do in Algebra:

If a train is travelling from Los Angeles to New Orleans
carrying three gay men, one single and two as a couple
who do three-ways, and the pump bottle of Foreplay is
5/6s full when they leave Los Angeles, how high *in inches*
will the fluid level be in the bottle when they reach
New Orleans,  given the following assumptions:  
1) the lubricant is used for masturbation and penetration,
   but nor for massage;
2) the three men are quite creative and versatile and
   have a high level of physical and emotional attraction  
   towards each other;
3) the condoms used are 50/50 lubricated and unlubricated;
4) the single man returns to his own berth at night to
   sleep.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:58:20 GMT

mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:

>Yeah, I imagine so.  I haven't heard things like "that's so gay" in 
>person when I'm around kids that age, but I heard this morning that
>they have a game called "smear the queer", in which they pick on 
>one kid to jump on and lightly rough up.  Early training for gay-
>bashing, I guess.  It looks like they learn the words and negative 
>associations first, and learn the adult meanings (I was going to 
>write, "lexical meanings") later.

i was going to mention "smear the queer" in a posting about word usage
a couple days ago, but i wasn't sure how universal this game was (and
didn't really have enough time to do a decent posting, anyway).  i
don't think that many young kids who play smear the queer really know
or think twice about what the name means, so maybe it instills a
homophobia of ignorance where they mean no harm, but their words can
be hurtful to someone to whom they apply.  i was glad when i got older
and heard that other people played the same game but called it "kill
the pill" or "the last piece of meat in the world."

--mike

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:20:44 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote: 
->Imagine trying to talk someone into converting their religion
->because YOU think it's a bit silly -- or trying to get someone of
->an ethnic minority to undergo plastic surgery and/or skin
->treatments to look more Caucasian.  

"you know, if you had a beard i'd fuck you."
"no, you wouldn't.  you'll have to trust me on this one."

truth is stranger than fiction.

only marginally pertinent,
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:34:46 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.000552.21257@col.hp.com>, vanm@col.hp.com (Van Martin) writes:

|>  Contrary to the reporter's coverage of this campaign and issue, there
|> is another (majority) opinion in Colorado that homosexual behavior
|> doth not a specially-protected group make. 

1) Religious behavior does make a specially-protected group.  Why
   should this be different?

2) Even the Catholic Church recognizes that homosexuality is an
   innate characteristic, and discrimination exists against people
   who may be celibate but are attracted to members of the same sex.
   No behavior there, other than speech.  

Behavior is not the issue.  Legislated bigotry is the
issue.  Why is it OK to single out a group of people
for discrimination based on an innate characteristic
which if acted on results in consensual private activities
between adults?

Saying that the government should provide a separation of
church and state by enacting non-discrimination laws based
on choice of religion and allowing religious groups to
be free from taxes while at the same time saying that
the government should single out gay people for loss of
privileges and rights enjoyed by heterosexuals based solely
on religious grounds (can you provide any others?) is
hypocrisy - a sin mentioned more often and more clearly
in the Bible than homosexuality, which is in fact not
mentioned explicitly at all.

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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sucking on Keanu Reeves
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:30:19 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>me: Surly you jest!  Like all of us, Steve, he is a pussycat in person.  

>I hope nobody sees that as a mitigating circumstance when judging
>net-behaviour.

As a coworker says when referring to people being responsible for their
own actions, "he's over 21."  People from *.motss that I've met over the
last few years have always been nice surprises.  I'm sure that even
George Madison and I could have a good time argueing about single malt
whisky.  

Karma takes on many forms.  In the end, there are no mitigating circumstances.
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i'm your squirrel        friend
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:41:44 GMT


Brie? It is much cheaper for me to raise my thumb at a Motorway and get
to the place that actually bears the name than get to where you live,
Mark. I bet there are much better excuses than that to come over.

But I'm not very big on white cheeses - perhaps some Camambert with a
fresh baguette and white grapes - as I am a Dutch Boy.

So darlings, you can talk all you want about cheese and pass yourselves
off as conaisseurs if you try, but you don't exist in my book until you
know the difference between 'belegen' and 'half-belegen' _and_ can
pronounce 'Goudse, Komijne en Edammer kaas' correctly.

Knowing what kind of a cheese-slicer, called 'kaasschaaf', you need for
'jonge kaas' gets you up there pretty high as well.
                               
							FJ!!