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From: Brad Davis <bradd@gss.com>
Subject: Non-certified diver dies in Battle Ground Lake, WA
X-Original-From: Brad Davis <gssd!hood!bradd@uunet.UU.NET>
Organization: Graphic Software Systems, Beaverton, OR
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:13:56 GMT

[ Brad Davis sent me (Anthony DeBoer, adb@herboid.uucp) the following
article, with a note saying his local machine is unable to post and a
request that I post it for him. ]

Diving deaths are a topic that I'm sure nobody likes reading about,
but I had to post the following as a public service.

Lest anybody forget the importance of training and certification...

>From the [Portland] Oregonian, 7/27/92

MAN WEARING SCUBA GEAR DIES WHILE DIVING IN LAKE

    BATTLE GROUND, Wash. -- A Hillsboro [OR] man died Sunday morning
in a scuba diving accident in Battle Ground Lake State Park [WA].
    Jerry Ray King, 51, was pronounced dead at Southwest Washington
Medical Center in Vancouver.
    The accident happened about 10 a.m. in the park, about two miles
east of downtown Battle Ground, according to the Clark County
Sheriff's Office.
    Members of the sheriff's office, Clark County Fire District 3 and
the Clark County dive team responded to a report of a drowning and
recovered King's body in the lake, snagged in fishing line.  The lake
is as deep as 14 feet in some places.
    Apparently King was scuba diving about 30 to 50 yards southwest
of the pier.
    King had dived before but was not a certified diver, police siad.
King's friend, Paul Schmidt of Hillsboro, told police that King had
wanted to dive before taking lessons.
    Police found that King was wearing his equipment improperly.
The regulator was turned 180 degrees from its normal position, the
mouthpiece was on the wrong side of his body, and the weight belt
was worn in a manner difficult to release easily.
    The accident remains under investigation by the sheriff's office.

-end-

As a still-dry-behind-the-ears PADI Open Water diver, I've had quite a few
concerned friends and family ask me about this story and the dangers of my
new sport.  I read them the original story, then explain that this is
why I spent six weeks getting trained and certified.  It's also a good
opportunity to explain why I can't let them come diving with me.

Me, I'm off to check my knife...

-Brad

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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: romo@netcom.com (Rafael Romo)
Subject: Re: Skin Diver Magazine
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:40:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:

>IMHO, the *proper* way to read SDM:

>1) Find "SCUBA Quiz" monthly column by Dennis Graver and tear it out of the
>   magazine.

>2) Find "Technifacts" monthly column by Irv Cross and tear it out of the 
>   magazine.

>3) Throw magazine away.  Keep articles  :-)
>-- 
>Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
>                                                    Research Computing Services
>                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
>(415) 857-6432                                     peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com

I would add "I learned that from diving" and the wreck articles.  Then toss
it.  Of course, you could just go down to the library or borrow it from a
friend who just recently got certified and therefore got a subscription with
out knowing better.

RR
-- 
Rafael Romo romo@netcom.com ---

	Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people
	aren't out to get you.
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: A note on using computers for decompression diving
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:52:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada

In article <1992Jul15.120624@ddxrus.enet.dec.com> fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com (Federico Genoese-Zerbi) writes:
>In article <JCV26.92Jul15105924@jcv26aws.cas.org>, jcv26@cas.org (Jon Vander
>Hill) writes:
>|>    In article <1992Jul14.163750@ddxrus.enet.dec.com>
>|>    fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com (Federico Genoese-Zerbi) writes:


>|> 
>|>    Of course, for deco diving, I use tables and the computer as a
>|>    backup....but that's another story.
>|> 
>|> How is it that tables fail (miscalculation and forgetting them aside)?

>Do you use redundant air when you dive no-decomp?  
>Do you use a redundant watch?
>If your buddy's gauge reads deeper, do you use that?  Do you 
>check?

Any time you cannot ascend (and the glass ceiling of deco diving makes
ascent wrong/evil/dangerous/bad/ludicrous/risky), you should have redundant
air.  After all, you CAN'T ascend.  Think about it.

I dive with a computer, a bottom timer, and a depth guage.  It is unlikely
that my computer, AND depth guage+bottom timer will both fail.  This is
redundant enough for me.

On computers, my buddies and I stay together, following the most conservative
computer (most times).  Hopefully, there is also some added safety for the
deco stops as well.  (Cold water can make you more trusting of your computer.)

As for what to do if my computer fails?  Head to 60 ft (up), or some depth
that is well below any likely deco stop, and above narcosis level.  Next, 
relax, pull out your tables, and figure out where your stops should be.
Then do them.

craig

-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: Difference between the NASDS/SSI/PADI/NAUI/YMCA Advanced?
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:18:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

Here's a table describing NAUI, PADI, & YMCA non-leadership certifications as
I understand them.  I'd appreciate an SSI instructor filling in SSI's 
certifications, and of course, any corrections are solicited.  Agencies are
listed in alphabetic order.


       NAUI   OW1   OW2   Adv   Spec   Master
       PADI   OW1   Adv   Adv+  Spec   Master
       SSI    OW1   AOW
       YMCA   OW1   OW2   Adv   Spec   Master
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
(415) 857-6432                                              peterson@hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: njs@scifi.uucp (Nicholas J. Simicich)
Subject: Re: Death on the Andrea Doria
Organization: Nick Simicich, Peekskill, NY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:22:15 GMT

In article <ldjmtnd.jefff@netcom.com> jefff@netcom.com (Jeff Irwin) writes:
>: originally told me two divers were killed, but a subsequent article
>: in the paper only mentioned one diver and had nothing to say about 
>: the situation or the cause of death.
>: 
>: Any one else know any more?
>
>As the story filters down to me, the two divers were from Santa Cruz, CA.
>"Wings", the owner of Ocean Oddesy, and another diver (I don't recall the
>name but I seem to recall that he was on the county ocean rescue squad).
>
>The two seperated after reaching the bottom of the descent line at the end
>of the dive Wings returned to the line, the other diver didn't.  Wings  
>searched breifly for the diver but in doing so left himself with insufficient
>air (gas) for decompression.  Wings was treated for DCS (present condition 
>unknown).  Meanwhile, the weather got bad and the boat had to leave the site
>for the night. On their return the next day, the missing diver was found near 
>or in the wreck.

I heard a rumor that one of the brothers who was involved in the
Aquavideo corporation was killed on the Doria recently.  The story I
heard sounds similar:  They found him off of the wreck on the bottom.
He was diving mix,





-- 
Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: faustina@nevada.edu (ANDREA FAUSTINA)
Subject: all-inclusive packages on Cancun & Cozumel
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:50:04 GMT

Myself and four others are planning a trip to Cancun and Cozumel the
first week of December 1992.  We are thinking about trying the all-
inclusive resorts on Cancun and Cozumel.  If anyone has any recommendations
or complaints regarding this sort of trip could you send me your info.

We are wondering about the value of this deal.  Do you get a decent
amount of food and drink?  Do you have to eat when they tell you?
Can you eat at other places or only at the resort (included in the
price)?  How many activities are included?  How much diving?

Any other information offerred would be appreciated.

Thank you 


From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:38:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Lead/Weights
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

In rec.scuba, peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson) writes:

[stuff deleted]
|
|Tool dip on the tips of your gloves will make your gloves last *much* longer
|than normal (stuff them with newspaper; put small rolls of newspaper between
|the fingers to separate them; then dip each finger). 

How about "leather" type gloves?

|
|Mine always wear through the finger tips first.  You'll loose a little finger-
|tip sensitivity when you're wearing these gloves but it's not severe.
|
|Aqua-Seal on glove and wetsuit seams will further seal the seams and prevent
|the stictching from unraveling.

Is Aqua-Seal a Neoprene glue?  If so, how about the 3M variety?  Has anyone
tried this?

lawrence

|
|Tool dip is available is most large hardware stores, and Aqua-Seal is available
|from most dive stores.
|-- 
|Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
|                                                    Research Computing Services
|                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
|                                                   peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Lake Ontario claims third diver
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:17:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

In article <1992Jul24.054625.19560@herboid.uucp> adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer) writes:
>
>...
>
>There have been conflicting reports about the June 7th fatality.  The
>early report was that his buddy had had a problem and that he had refused
>to abort the dive with him, but the later report indicates that he was the
>one who had the problem, a freeflow, signalled ascent, and the two lost
>sight of each other on the way up, the victim never surfacing and being
>found with an empty tank, no air in his BC, and his weight belt still on. 
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[ flame set to mild ]

The Pacific Grove Diver Rescue Squad performs almost all of the rescues
and retrievals in the Monterey Bay, California, area.  They claim that *every*
diver fatality that they have retrieved had *STILL HAD HIS WEIGHT BELT ON*.

Perhaps, weight belt ditching needs to be emphasized (over-emphasized? taught?)
in OW1 classes.  I teach several weight belt ditching exercises, and offer
perpetual "weight belt insurance" to all students: I will replace a student's
weight belt if ditched -- policy to start immediately, and continue for life.

No instructor that I know offers "weight belt insurance"  has ever had a
"claim".  But I'd rather "pay a claim" that ever loose a student because they
wouldn't ditch a weight belt.

...I have similar feelings about teaching buddy contact (these are *basic* 
skills!), but that's already been well-covered by others...

[ flame off ]
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
(415) 857-6432                                     peterson@peterson.hpl.hp.com
From: corrick@apple.com (George Corrick)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Info Wanted on Seychelles Diving
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:13:48 GMT
Organization: apple computer
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1b2

Does anyone have information on diving in the Seychelles?  My wife and I
are planning a trip to Africa next year and are considering adding a week
to dive in the Seychelles, which we have heard is a great diving location.

Any info on best diving locations and/or diving operations would be
appreciated.

Thanks,

George Corrick
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Certification racket
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:26:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.scuba
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.

In article <1992Jul28.151551.8886@linus.mitre.org> m16532@mwunix (Steven Bayer) writes:
>
>Now, my friend gets certified and is told not to dive below 60 without
>taking another class, cannot dive at night with experienced and very
>cautious dive buddies without taking another class, is taught nothing of
>navigation or safety without taking another class, etc. What kind of 
>racket have we gotten involved with that is more interested in making
>more and more money and less interested in teaching us to become safe and
>educated divers, and even "experienced" enough to dive within the recreational
>limits after becoming certified? 
>
>                     __o                                          
>                    ~\<,                                          
>___________________()/ ()______________________________________________________
>Steve Bayer                                          bayer@galileo.jsc.nasa.gov
>The MITRE Corporation                                            (713) 333-0978
>1120 NASA Road One, Suite 600                                Houston, TX  77058

   Yeah, I know.  When I started in 74 it was a lot more rigorus.
   I think the agencies are just glorified insurance companies
   designed to manage financial risks.  They exhibit low contact with
   those they certify at various levels.  And it does seem they offer a
   whole course for every detail.

   The instructors can be excellent, however.  If you find a good one
   hang around him for a while.  The agency structure insures his
   activities and you are lucky to participate at the prices usually
   charged.

   It's up to you to make your diving education meaningful.

   Steve


-- 
- Stephen M. Dodd, System Analyst, Oregon Extension Service
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
sdodd@oes.orst.edu          Internet          Oregon State University
503-737-0699                                  Corvallis, OR 97331
From: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: A note on using computers for decompression diving
Date: 21 Jul 1992 22:34:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur


>Here's a topic for side-discussion:  How can dive computers be made
>fail-safe?
>
>Jon Vander Hill
>jon@cas.org
>PADI DM, NSS-CDS & NACD Full Cave

A key to reliable systems is redundancy.  You could carry two identical computers, and
that way you have an accurate backup if one fails.  Or you could go whole-hog, carry *three*
identical computers and vote for correct results among them :-)

chas/
From: cee@wshb.csms.com ( HBS/WSHB Sr Station Mgr)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Oceanic DataMax Pro dive computer
Keywords: Anybody have one? Opinions sought
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:18:29 GMT
Organization: WSHB, Christian Science Mon. Synd., Cypress Creek, SC, USA


	I've finally succumbed to the realization that a Dive Computer would
enchance my diving.  (I've just returned from Cayman Brac and Little Cayman
and am a bit jealous of the "extra bottom time" permitted to divers with
computers!)
	Does anyone have any experience with the Oceanic DataMax Pro ? 
	Price ?  Availability ?  Diver Friendly as opposed to Computer Science
Degree required ?
	In looking at other models, the Oceanic DataMax Sport model (junior to
the Pro) looks remarkably similar to the Sherwood unit.  Are they the same ?
	
	Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks,
ED
-- 
******************************************************************************
C. Ed Evans, Senior Station Manager, HBS * cee@wshb.csms.com * +1 803 625-5555
WSHB, Cypress Creek, SC * WCSN, Scotts Corner, ME * KHBI, Saipan, Mariana Isl.
******************************************************************************
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: What the *heck* are "Sea Lice"?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:54:31 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <3450013@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, heumann@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (John Heumann) writes:
> In rec.scuba, heumann@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (John Heumann) writes:
> 
>>   Does anyone have definitive information on whether salt water
>>   schistosomes capable of infeecting people exist?
> 
> I did some further checking.  Looks like the intermediate hosts
> for the schistosomes that can infect people are all fresh water
> snails.  There are salt water molluscs which are intermediate 
> hosts for species which can cause swimmers itch but not schistosomiasis.

In some lakes in Michigan, they add copper salts to kill the snails
and thus break the chain.  Water birds are also part of the life
cycle (or possibly the reservoir).  A research project was done to
collect all the ducks and keep them in captivity for a while until
the population of schistosomes collapsed.  In theory, once the ducks
that had been cured were replaced, the infestation would be over.

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Skin Diver Magazine
Organization: NASA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:52:22 GMT


  I recently bought my first copy of Skin Diver, mainly to check out the  
mail-order sources in the back.  A dealer had given me a reprint (from a 1990  
issue) of a review of the U.S.Divers Conshelf SE2 regulator, but I thought it  
read more like an advertisement than a review.

  Well, it seems that _all_ of the equipment reviews in Skin Diver are written  
in that style, with encouragement to "check out this great piece of gear at  
your nearest _____ dealer" and the like.  It also seemed strange that all of  
their reviews were exactly two pages long, with no interspersed advertising--  
making it really convenient to do single-page reprints for use by dealers.

  So what's the deal with Skin Diver?  Is it just one big collection of  
advertisements under the guise of expert opinions?  Or am I missing something  
here?

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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: ds@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Dale Smithyman)
Subject: Re: gif picture of soft coral in alt.binaries.pictures.misc
Organization: Telecom Australia, Information Technology Development
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.145529.14631@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.131944.29460@prl.philips.nl> rogier@prl.philips.nl (Rogier Wester) writes:
>>I posted a gif picture of a soft coral in alt.binaries.pictures.misc
>>Enjoy,
>>  Rogier.
>
>Neat stuff... Got it to be my background in about 5 minutes.  Looks like
>something generated by fractals :)  If you have other pictures, please
>either post or e-mail them to me.
>
>Thanks,
>-- 
>-Mark Tremblay              
>  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu

I missed this. Can you post it again?
  
-- 
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Dale Smithyman		ds@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au
The views expressed here are not necessarily the same as those of my employer
(bless his unbleached cotton socks).
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: duis@sgi.com (David Duis)
Subject: Re: How to stop sucking air?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:59:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.212842.2652@helical.com> rallan@gun.com writes:
>Sue Raisty writes
>   I'm a newly cerified open water diver and I have this problem:
>   I breathe too much.  Way more than everyone else I dive with.
>
>Personal opinions:
>
>2. Detune your reg if you can [...]

Eh?  You'll breathe less if you make it HARDER to breathe, requiring
MORE work, possibly causing more stress, leading to more breathing,
which is harder, ad nauseum?

I don't see the logic here.  Presumably this person has no holes in
their lungs (at least she didn't last time I saw her), and therefore
all inhaled air is going into her airways.

This suggestion has come up before; maybe you can help me see the
logic of it.

Cheers,

Dave Duis                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
duis@bent.wpd.sgi.com           Better diving through inflatables.