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From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Jimmy Ard
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:30:57 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Does anyone know what NBA Championship winning team Jim Ard played on?

Michael Wong.
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Enough
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.040059.27946@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>1) The bogus call was called with 2-ish seconds left. If you want to count
>   bogus calls with N seconds left in the game, there should be a recount for
>   Boston, including when the score was tied, the phantom foul on Danny Boy

   i thought we were not listing fouls...
>
>Even if (notice the hypothesis) that's a start, you still only get ONE.
>
>                                          Edward Lor

me?  i'm trying to help you.

- nate
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:56:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Spurs Update
Summary: Terry Cummings

In article <91841@bu.edu>, sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor) writes:
> 
> I probably missed the news on T. Cummings. Why is he out for the season?
> Is it his heart problems or last year injury of ... (forget what it was ).
> Igor


Terry tore (or badly damaged) a couple of knee ligaments during a
pick-up game in Chicago. The initial reports were tears to
anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments.

Paul

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Reggie Lewis (was Re: 2nd Dream Team)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:06:45 GMT

David,

Yes Reggie Lewis led all NBA guards last year in block shots and that includes
Jordan.  He was one of the two players in the league to lead his team
in block shots and steals.  The other was David Robinson.  I also think that
Reggie is the third best shooting guard in the NBA.  Of all the players you
have mentioned only Jeff Hornacek shoots for a better %.  Reggie proved in
the last month of the season and the playoffs that he can score as well as any
of the guards you mentioned, especially when the Celts made him there go to
guy in the playoffs.  He was able to take his game to the "next level" which
none of the players you have mentioned have ever done. They are all solid
players, but except for an exceptional big game every so often they can't or
better yet haven't raised there level of their game the way Lewis has. Although
I do think that Mitch has all the tools to improve but not while he is in the
waistland of the Kings.

Andy
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Dream Team LOSES!
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:03:19 GMT

In article <92205.074134KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  Yes, this is no joke, it is true. The Dream Team lost yesterday, and they
>also won.  It seems that Chuck split up the squads, it was Jordan, Pippen,
>Bird, Malone and Ewing against Johnson, Laettner, Mullin, Barkley and Robinson.
                                         ^^^^^^^^
I just read an article on this and it didn't mention Laettner's name, so
I'm going to assume that you meant to put Drexler(?).  I can't believe
Drexler would have missed this game.  

Evidently, Daly was tired of all the lolly-gagging around in Monte Carlo
and called the boys together for business.  He told them they would be 
running all practice with one two-minute breather and that they might
consider getting some extra sleep because the next couple of days would
be just like it (wonder how this sits with Jordan, because Jordan came to
the Olympics on an agreement from Daly that there weren't going to be many 
strenuous practices -- I say it's good for them).

>The final score was 40-36 with Jordan hitting two free throws with 1.5 seconds
>to go to lock the game.  "This is the best fun we have on the court.  It might
>be the only competition we get all summer.  There's a lot of talking out there"
>says Jordan.  

From the article I read, they took this one very serious.  Cussing out the
refs.  Jordan challenging Johson's manhood.  Barkley with a spectacular dunk, 
Jordan challenges Malone to do better, then Malone dunks spectacularly over 
Barkley.  Man I would have loved to see that game.  Imagine an all-star game 
where it's all business.

The article really stressed at how awestruck Jordan, Johnson, and Robinson were 
at the talent that came out in the scrimmage.  Jordan said it was the first
glimpse he had seen of how good this group really is.

>Magic, "Our team was ahead 14-2 and for about 2 minutes, Michael
>just brought them back by himself.  I was telling myself, 'I've got to stop
>him', but in the back of your mind, you know you can't".  

Yeah, supposedly when Magic's team went up 14-2, Magic "made fun of" Jordan
and then realized he had 'made a big mistake', because Jordan just went beserk 
for the next 2 minutes.  Magic said something to the effect of, 'He was just 
jumping over me.  Everytime I looked up, his feet were on my numbers.'

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)                    Bulls in 93!!!!!!!!
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
	"No comment." - Michael Jordan's response to the press after being 
                    selected to the All-Interview team.
From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hammonds, Charlotte
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:56:18 GMT



Tommy's been working hard at trying to make the team and start.  In
an interview with the Raleigh N&O last week, he said he thought he
could play the defense necessary to start at small forward for the
Hornets.  I never thought defense was his strong suit, but his 
competition at sf in Charlotte are graduates of the Kiki Vandeweghe
School of Matador Defense(tm), so maybe he's got a point.


I believe Tom led the team in scoring at the Orlando training camp tournament.

I think Charlotte will keep him.  They may try to increase his stock by
playing him this year and then trading him.  Charlotte needs a good sf,
so why not give Tom a good chance?

Also, Tony Bennett (from UW-Green Bay) has been playing well and should
give Perry a good run at backup point.

I'd like to know where the UNCC folks are who should be churning out this
Charlotte information?  Hello?  Anyone out there?



Curtis Hill
star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org
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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:51:39 GMT

In article <jjonsson.43@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:

>Oh, and Barkley's type of open court move is to rumble down the floor, 
>intimidating everyone into getting out of his way for a two handed jam. Big 
>man like him's bound to get tired doing that a lot. . .

Maybe we're not watching the same guy.  Short fat guy?  Scoring a lot
lately?  Fitting in extremely well with the motion offense - the same
offense the Suns run?  Yea, that guy.

>The managemnent in Philly didn't destroy that team, Charles did; with his 
>constant griping, and bad-mouthing the other players, he drove any sense of 
>team unity right out the door. 

Yea, it had nothing to do with giving all their #1 picks away for stiffs.
The Suns have Philly's (probably lottery) pick next year they traded for
*Jason Williams*.  I'm not a Philly fan so I can't site other moves, but
I know most of them have been rather poor.  How many of their last 10
#1's did they give away?  And for what?  Which leads us to...

>Do you think his teammates in Philly liked 
>the fact that he told them they were no-talent losers?

No, the truth usually hurts.  But you can't fix a problem until you've
identified it, which Charles did.  Management filled that team with
no-talent losers (mostly from Phoenix ironically - Gilliam, Williams,
Lang, and Perry.  Philly is the dumping ground for Phoenix stiffs)
and Charles was just identifying it.  He's usually right about what he
says, he just has no tact in saying it.

>Do you think the 
>management was happy that Charles was such a malcontent? The leaders of the 
>Phoenix team right now are KJ and Dan Majerle, and I don't see that 
>changing. Barkley may score 20 ppg, and grab 12 rbs, but don't be surprised 
>when the LOUD mound of rebound begins to cause trouble in Phoenix too.

You don't get it.  KJ leads, sure.  He leads by taking the ball to the
hole and getting thrown to the court, many times without a call (but ya
gotta love him for trying).  Charles brings that "I-will-dunk-on-you-and-
there-is-absolutely-nothing-you-can-do-about-it" attitude the 'Nice-Guy'
Suns never had.  That's what they wanted when they got him.  That's why
he's here.  We'll see how it works out.  Either way it's a ballsy move
by Colangelo.
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:07:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <jjonsson.39@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
> The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that 
> Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary 
> players step on the floor, Karl will outshine Sir Charlie. 

So maybe we should have taken the Utah Jazz as the US rep. and left it
at that eh? Get a grip....

 
> P.S. Phoenix is just waiting to fall apart with that irritant on their team.
> Can you imagine Charles and Danny Ainge on the same team, they'll be at each 
> other's throats in no time.

 Grow up nimwit- get an adult to give you a clue and then have the balls
to question me....

			gln

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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Dream team III
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:51:35 GMT


In article 13880@cis.umassd.edu, acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU () writes:
>I was thinking that we could get an old timers team together and
>ship them off to the olympics....
>this team could include great players from Wilt to Kareem.....
>
>C- Kareem  (who could stop him at the international level?  Even now)
>
>I think if we could get Kareem to play center, then we could just round
>up a bunch of people that would meld together well.   Dr. J, Elgin Baylor,
>Earl the Pearl, 'Tiny Archibald, Jerry West (to knock down the international
>three pointer), Wilt (to back up Kareem), Johnny Havilcek, Oscar Robertson,
>Bob Cousy (to run the point, what else?) Dave Cowens, hell we could even
>ask Bill Russel if he would play, but he'd probably want some money
>for the appearance.  What do you think people?   Remeber this post
>is supposed to be fun, so no flames please.
>
>Umass guy


Yeah!  The way the Dream Team has been beating up on people, maybe an old timer team would make it close.  Some suggestions:

Daryl Dawkins: Old-timer's counterpart to Sir Charles.
Bobby Jones:  He never got his medal in Munich.
Bill Bradley: Hey, it doesn't hurt to have a politician in there.
Phil Jackson:  You need a cosmic kind of guy for the Olympic team.
Ralph Sampson:  The scapegoat, just in case they lose.
Rick Barry:  More obnoxious americans.
Meadowlark Lemon:  Run the court and entertain the crowd during blowouts.
Maurice Lucas:  To intimidate the referees incase they decide to add another second to the game.

The possibilities are endless....

Pete Wung
wung@ee.gatech.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:09:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Jul23.164025.20129@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>Russ, 
>
>I was having a similar discussion with my brother in law just this past month,
>I believe that the reason that alot of players miss the shot is because they
>treat it like it was a different shot. I shoot it the same way as my jump shot.
>Same motion, same release, with very little pause. I shoot around the high 80's
>so it works for me.


I think part depends on how you shoot naturally. In highschool my jump
shot was a modified World B. Free. Elbow starts out crooked, ball over 
my head , but when I released it the follow through had the elbow straight
and pointing at the hoop like they teach you. when I shoot freethrows, I
square up my elbow and shoulder, and get all my "power" from my legs. I'll
shoot a similar shot if I'm wide open, but if I'm really shooting a true
jumper(release the ball at the peak of your jump or even on the way down)
then I use a lot more arm and elbow for "power". Its considered to be
bad form, but you can't shoot with the ball right in front of your face
(like my freethrow shot is) and get it off when you're barely 5'10".





Russ Smith
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"I want a world where I can eat a sea otter without getting sick!"

Leslie Nielsen in the Naked Gun 2 1/2
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:06:22 GMT

In article <jjonsson.39@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>
>The only reason Charles is getting more points than Karl Malone is that 
>Stockton isn't on the floor. I guarantee when those two complimentary 
>players step on the floor, Karl will outshine Sir Charlie. IMHO Charles 
>Barkley is an embarrasment when he's out there behaving like the DT was in 
>trouble or something. Give it a rest Charles. 

No...Karl Malone only seems to score on transition.  His normal power post
moves are taken away totally by the zone defense.  It's not like they're
doubling and leaving a teammate open, it's like they're triple teaming him
and the only option he has is to shoot a turnaround.  Barkley on the other
hand with his body and dribbling skills kind of crushes opposing players
out of the way.

No doubt though...Barkley has been out of line lately.  I don't see a good
excuse, and obviously, neither do his peers.
From: liang@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Chuck Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Blazer at philadelphia schedule date wanted.
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:32:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  I know it is unreasonable to ask somebody to type in the entire
schedule of a season, but could somebody email me the date Portland
will play in Philadelphia this comming season?  Thank you very much.




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From: acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Dream team III
Reply-To: acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:43:31 GMT

I was thinking that we could get an old timers team together and
ship them off to the olympics....
this team could include great players from Wilt to Kareem.....

C- Kareem  (who could stop him at the international level?  Even now)

I think if we could get Kareem to play center, then we could just round
up a bunch of people that would meld together well.   Dr. J, Elgin Baylor,
Earl the Pearl, 'Tiny Archibald, Jerry West (to knock down the international
three pointer), Wilt (to back up Kareem), Johnny Havilcek, Oscar Robertson,
Bob Cousy (to run the point, what else?) Dave Cowens, hell we could even
ask Bill Russel if he would play, but he'd probably want some money
for the appearance.  What do you think people?   Remeber this post
is supposed to be fun, so no flames please.

Umass guy
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:04:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>  Besides, centers suck at free throws...

	Well, in most cases yes -- but there are quite a few centers out there
	who can really drill their FTs.  For example, Jack Sikma and Mike
	Gminski both are excellent FTers who have reached as high as 90%.
	Moses Malone is the all-time leader in FTs made, as well as having a
	career percentage of over 80%.

	Even centers these days are drilling their FTs.  Alonzo Mourning and
	Christian Laettner were both excellent FTers in college.  While some
	players have had problems shooting FTs due to big hands (Shaq perhaps?)
	it's really a mental thing.  For example, Mike McGee and Otis Birdsong
	were big-time sharpshooters in their heyday in the NBA.  Yet they had
	no clue at the line.  It's really a matter of the mind, not necessarily
	skill.

	Jazzy J
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From: GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.)
Subject: Re: Scott Ostler on Pippen vs Kukoc
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:38:31 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.154749.14237@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:


From today's SF Chronicle:

	Congratulations to the Dream Team for shutting down Tony
	Kukoc, and for bragging about it. [...]
	I could shut down Kukoc if I had Jordan and Magic helping
	me to triple team him [...]
	If Kukoc ever gets to the NBA, at least he knows he won't be
	quintuple-teamed every time [...]
	Yes, Kukoc still has a lot to learn.  If he were an NBA player,
	then after scoring only four points he would have said that he
	had a headache.

Ooh, that one was below the belt.

But it was very funny!!!!!

Richard

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From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:59:27 GMT

In article <exujeff.7.711999086@exu.ericsson.se> exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson) writes:
> Rodmans buisness unfortunately is in FRISCO, TX. which is a SUB of 
>DALLAS, not Houston, ESPN did report that he may retire...he is just fishing 
>for offers to get the HELL out of DETROIT.  Would you want to be a player or 
>a FAN for the PISTONS?
>

   As opposed to being a putz on the net?


--
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Celtics Rookie Camp
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:51:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.154346.27117@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>	David Johnson -- As they said we want to backup Reggie.  How is
>		John Barry at 6'3" and not very athletic going to play
>		at the 2 spot.  There are a couple of guys in the league
>		that he can look eye-to-eye with.  Dave Johnson would have
>		been far better.  More height, more athletic, better
>		ballplayer, can rebound some (desparately needed).

Why do you say that Jon Barry is "not very athletic"?  He has always seemed
pretty athletic -- speed, quickness, jumping ability -- to me.  If what you
mean is that he's not especially strong, I'd agree with that.

If Barry makes it in the NBA at all, I think it will have to be at the 2
position.  I can't see him playing point guard at that level.
From: mao@acuson.com (Ken Mao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Dream Team comments
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:01:49 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

>As they are far and away the best team in the world, I feel that it
>means more to them to finally have the chance to play together and
>to Magic than winning the gold. A few comments:
>
>    .... (very good comments deleted) ....

>All in all, its great to see these guys together...
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well said.

--Ken Mao
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From: nadon@engin.umich.edu (nikolaos adoniadis)
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:52:10 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Few words about the 1986 World Championship:

The USSR had a new coach (can't remember his name),
not Gomelski. This resulted in quite a mess during
the USSR stay at Spain, at least that's what the press
reports said: players getting drunk and staying out as
late as 5 am, refusal to follow coaching orders, etc.
This had never happened under Gomelski. Anyway, they
tended to rely on the outside shot way too much and the coach
didn't seem to be able (or to want) to keep them under control.
But this was fine, as long as they kept making them. Kurtinaitis
Homichus and Tikhonenko were unbelievable from long range
and this brought them back in the semifinal game against
Yugoslavia (down 9, 50" to go). Sabonis was playing out of
the paint (I mean WAY out), I remember he was 4/4 from 3-pt
land in that semifinal. The same was basically the case in
the final too, but the 3-pts weren't falling and the US,
playing just fundamental ball (ie. pounding the ball
inside, passing around patiently, playing solid defense),
was in front practically the whole game. ~5 min. before the
end, Sabonis inexplicably started posting up. The result:
3 made shots, one of them a huge dunk in the face of
Robinson and another tip dunk from behind Robinson.
So, they closed the gap and they got the ball back
with 3" to go, down 3. Even though they had time
to set up a shot, Homichus hurried the shot and ended up
throwing a brick from about 50 feet out. 

Now, Bogues was a major factor all the way through. I mean,
nobody was used to playing against defenders THAT quick.
The opposing PG would catch the ball to find Bogues in his
face (well, more precisely in his lap  :-) ), he would turn around
to start dribbling and somehow Bogues was in his face again.
This worked very well against Valters, the Soviet PG.
Still, I believe that a more disciplined Soviet team
(even a more disciplined Yugo team) should have been able to beat
them.     

Nick Antoniadis
U. of Michigan
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:51:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na
Summary: Admiral's O

In article <1992Jul29.203322.14561@leland.Stanford.EDU>, waterski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark T. Stacey) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.193213.28638@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
> >
> 
> Defensively, Robinson is a quality stopper, but he gets his points on fast
> breaks and alley-oops (with a few put-backs).... More like a power forward.
> I don't know why people are so concerned about free throws, that statistic
> will have no bearing on a player's place in history.

Evidently, you haven't seen Robinson play since his rookie season. He
has a reliable jumper up to 15 ft and is one of the few centers who
can put the ball on the floor and take it to the hole. Regarding
FT's, I don't care about his place in history anywhere near as much
as I care about the Spurs W-L record. Collectively, their poor FT 
shooting hurts them, and he's heads the list of offenders just 
because he shoots so many of them.

Paul
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