From: warton@ssd.intel.com (Peter Warton)
Subject: Re: recovery
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: alt.recovery
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:09:58 GMT

>
>     I belong to a group with a supposedly lower alcoholic
>rate than most...even quoted in literature as such.  This is,
>however, not true.  If you ask the leaders (or the recognized
>leaders) of the people, you will get a much different answer
>than the real one:  no one wants to admit that their group
                                                ^^^^^
This I misunderstood as seperating "them" from you.  Beg pardon.
                              
>has a problem.  Especially Jews for whom most of the religion
>is based around drinking Manochewitz wine and occasions to be
>able to drink said brew.  No one who sanctions the activity
>which starts at birth (bris for males) willingly admits that
>it is a problem.  The REAL numbers speak differently.  More
>than 20% of Jews are alcoholic--they don't belong to the
>synagogue because the money for memberships is put to drinking.
>
>
>>Peter Warton:
>>    Funny that right after I SAID that I was Jewish, you then
>>turned around and asked if I was.  I wonder what else of my
>>post you only half-read and feel like commenting on.
>


The point of my post was to share my thought that your generalization
of the Jewish faith was harmful.  This was the only point which I made
or indeed intended to make.
 
>To all the other ppl who are so into controversy:
>     Hey, can't you stop picking on others for a bit?
>It's very disturbing.  Especially when a person posts
>something positive and so many jump down that person's
>throat.  It seems to me that quite a few ppl on here
>ought to stop looking for the faults in others and
>take their OWN inventories for a bit--get out of a
>bit of denial and start working TOGETHER FOR THE
>COMMON GOOD OF RECOVERY.
>     I keep posting positive stuff about what works
>for me and what has worked for others that I KNOW
>and how I think both are very good because BOTH WORK.
>And lately I STILL get jumped on for that.  Maybe I
>need to take some of my own inventory as well, but
>I think it's mean for ppl to act that way.
>
>     AA WORKS FOR SOME!!!  AA DOES NOT WORK FOR
>OTHERS!!!!   I needed AA to STOP drinking but AA here
>is not based on KEEPING ONE SOBER--in this town it is
>based on social groups and peer pressure and religious
>dogma.  I advocate AA.  I advocate the other ways that
>others have found to stop drinking.  I advocate the ways
>that others have decided to use to NOT stop drinking.
>WHATEVER THE HELL WORKS AND MAKES ONE THE HAPPIEST!
>Dammit!  So stop jumping on me for telling you the way
>things are IN THIS TOWN and stop jumping on me for
>being OPEN MINDED--especially those of you who are so
>pro AA as HONESTY, OPEN MINDEDNESS, and WILLINGNESS
>are essential to AA.
>
>     I feel much better now.  Please do NOT respond
>harshly to me for saying this.  I much prefer a smile
>and a hug to all the nasty criticism that's been going on.
>
>--Adria (dog@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu)
>=====End post for Adria=======
>-- 
>Maurice Suhre
>suhre@trwrb.dsd.trw.com


:-)
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Peter Warton (the h was dropped over 800 years ago) warton@ssd.intel.com
Against my better judgement, not to mention the advice of my friends, I speak 
for myself.