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From: HARVEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,bit.listserv.win3-l
Subject: Re: HELP! Win 3.1 dies in setup mode
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:26:20 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Apr7.052129.28470@beach.csulb.edu>, bwong@beach.csulb.edu
(Bradley Wong) says:
>
>I can NOT get past the 93% second diskette setup mode where win 3.1
>goes from DOS setup to windows setup.
>
>All I get is:
>
>   Standard Mode: Fault in MS-DOS extender
>   EC=0000 CS=0053 IP=232F ...
>
>Naturally, there's not enough 3.1 to run in real or enchanced mode.
>
>I've tried going from no config.sys or autoexec.bat files to my normal
>ones w/o success in standard mode. I've tried both the original himem.sys
>and emm386 programs and the "updated" ones posted to many BBSs.
>
>This is on a Microgeneration 486-33 ETEQ-motherboard w/Mr. Bio and
>16Mb ram (and currently Windows 3.0a with MPC extentions).
>
>I went back and un-tarred my 3.0 backup and noticed that 3.0 gives me
>a standard mode abort message of:
>
>   Protected-mode violation;
>   try running in real mode.
>
>This, again with both max and minimum config.sys and autoexec.bat files.
>
I was beginning to think I was going crazy getting that stupid error
while installing 3.1 I am using DRDOS 5.0 and I assumed that it was
the problem, so I reloaded DOS 4.01 from floppy and 3.1 installed OK.
I called DRI and they said 5.0 AND 6.0 have compatibility problems
with 3.1 and that the "patch" would be out before the end of the month.
I am going to try to disable my cache and see if that helps. I have
a similar motherboard 486-33 w/256k cache UMC chipset and MR Bios.

Harold
From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Why I'm sticking with Windows
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:40:20 GMT
Organization: NCSU CATT Prog

In article <1992Apr14.191046.21278@news.iastate.edu> arakins@iastate.edu (Andrew R Akins) writes:
>  6. Windows NT is coming. 'nuff said.

More like 'too much said'.  If you can't afford to run OS/2, how do you think
you will be able to run NT.  Besides that why do you want to wait for something
to provide you with much of what OS/2 already has.  I know NT will have C2, etc
but don't forget that IBM has the NT source and all those features will find
their way into OS/2, possibly before they are released in NT!

Andy, I don't mean to flame.  You seem like a nice guy with an open mind.  I 
hope your decision works out for you.  I just think that you made the wrong
one.

John W. Linville



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From: strong@mfuerter.austin.ibm.com (Michael Jay Strong/2113674)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: HELP!--How do you delete files in AMI PRO 2.0?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:53:34 GMT
Distribution: comp.windows.ms
Organization: Ralph Kirkley & Associates

In article <1992Apr8.195816.10131@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen) writes:
|> In <1992Apr7.234758.25726@ra.msstate.edu> dmd2@ra.msstate.edu (David Dumas) writes:
|> 
|> >How in the world do you delete file names in AMI PRO?  I have gone in and
|> >deleted the files with the File Management option from the DOCS directory, but
|> >I can't get rid of the file names of the files that I have created and saved
|> >from the File Menu.  They are listed at the bottom of the menu after the Exit
|> >command.  How do you get rid of these?
|> 
|> >The files no longer exist because I can click on these names and nothing comes
|> >up.  They are just names.
|> 
|> Interesting - I just tried this just to be sure (I have Ami Pro open as
|> I write this) and I have no problems, nor do I recollect ever having...
|> You have something strange happening inside your system... When I delete
|> a file it is *gone* from the list box as well...
|> -- 
|> _--__----__---___---___--____/ Juha Liukkonen - jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi \___/
|> _-___-____-___-_-___-___-___/ University  of Helsinki, Finland, Earth,  /o__o
|> _-___---__-___-_-___-___-__/ Department of Paranormal Investigations:  / (..)\
|> _--__-_____---___---___--_/ " 01000001 01001001  0100010  01010011 "   \  -- /

-- 

Even more interesting... *I* experience the same problem David Dumas does.
I don't know how to can 'em.  When I remove them from the disk in DOS, Ami
Pro still shows them listed in it's FILE pull down menu EVEN after exiting
Ami Pro entirely and restarting it... after rebooting, etc.

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From: calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:38:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Review
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms

My cat, Cinder, simply *loves* Windows 3.1.  I used the sound recorder 
to digitize her meow and then used that sound file to replace the standard
beep for errors (I have a SoundBlaster Pro card and a couple of small
speakers next to my computer).  Now, when I make a mistake, the computer
meows quite realistically and Cinder thinks there's another kitty somewhere
in the house. :)

Frank Calloway
From: horan@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Why I'm sticking with Windows
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.142857.27595@alw.nih.gov>, donnel@helix.nih.gov (Donald A. Lehn) writes:
> Another perspective on why to stick to Windows.  I have 5 IBM Model 80
> PS/2's with 2 mb ram and 80 mb hard drives.  These machines are perfectly
> adequate Windows platforms.

Windows itself runs poorly on 2mb.  I used it on 4mb for a while, and when
I jumped to 8mb, it sped up noticably, so I imagine 2mb would suck.

> To upgrade to OS/2 2.0 for these machines
> would require 4 mb ram ($600.00)

Seems like you already have 2mb, so get another 2mb = $70. (I'd do this if
I was using Windoze anyway).

> and at least another 80 mb hard disk
> ($800.00).

Windows 3.1 I have heard (correct (not flame) me if I'm wrong) takes 10-15meg.
OS/2 takes 15-25, but you can delete...
- Dos       3 meg.
- Windows  12 meg.
- ATM       ? 
- other stuff depending on you applications.

So I don't see why you would need an extra 80 meg drive.

> [PS/2 upgrades are not cheap.]  For the same $1400.00 I can
> with DOS 5.0 and Windows included in the bundle. 
> 
> Although I wont have the "true" software multitasking of OS/2, I will have
> the Windows, more than adequate flavor of multitasking, and, with 2x
> the number of computers, be able to 'multitask' the human interface.

If it is good enough for you, for the same price, then so be it.  But if you
have ever tried multitasking on OS/2, you would see a world of difference.

> Donald A. Lehn, Ph.D.                      Phone: (301) 496-2885
5000
Gregg Horan
From: palmer@isye.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Resource Kit - FTP
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:52:56 GMT
Distribution: usa

Ayman Kayssi writes:

>In article <palmer.703273263@isye.gatech.edu> palmer@isye.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer) writes:
>>In addition to the download time, I've heard the docs expand to quite a few
>>pages... 

>	Is the WRK available on any of the Windows FTP sites?

I don't think it can be, unless express permission is given by Microsoft,
since it is all copyrighted (and not "shareware").  I suppose someone who
has already downloaded it should call up Microsoft and ask.  Or, one of
the Microsoft employees monitoring this group should let us all know.  It
seems like they shouldn't mind, since anyone can call up their BBS and
get it anyway.
--
Michael T. Palmer, M/S 152, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  23665
Temporarily a Techie: Center for Human-Machine System Research, Georgia Tech
Voice: 404-894-4318,    FAX: 404-894-2301,    Email: palmer@chmsr.gatech.edu
From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Deep thoughts
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:24:08 GMT
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

hardarso@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Kari Hardarson) writes:

> A plethora of stray thoughts about Windows & other wonderful gadgets:
> 4)  Now that Truetype fonts are here, does that mean printers should
>     have less intelligence built in?  What is the cheapest printer that
>     will do full credit to documents created in Windows 3.1?  More 
>     specifically:  Is there any point in buying an HP-III when a 
>     Canon Bubblejet can print Truetype fonts?  (Which I presume it can).

I have both a laser printer and a Canon Bubblejet. If I print the same
page out with both printers I have to look closely to see the difference.
I suspect it would be even harder if I used some paper optimized for
ink-jet printers. The biggest difference is in printing large black
areas; the Bubblejet just can't print them as dark. This hurts on
large point sizes and some graphics. I suspect if I had a LJ III series,
I'd notice more difference, because of the Resolution Enhancement
Technology. I suspect that would help a lot, especially on the italic
fonts. Would any III owner care to comment on this?

Another issue is speed. With a Series II or better Truetype downloads
the fonts, that means that the print engine will run at close to
full speed. Since inkjet print engines are already slower, this
means that they are going to be a lot slower. If you have an older
pre series II laser printer, that doesn't work with downloading
partial fonts (like I do :-<), then this difference disappears.

Of course the big advantage of inkjet printers, like the Canon 10-e
and Citizen PN48, is that they are small and light, which makes them
ideal for portable and small-constrained applications.

The bottom line is, if you can afford a laser printer, buy one. If not,
buy and ink-jet and be happy, you are getting a lot for your money.



(If your mail bounces use the address below. My map entry is new.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: fmf1@cec1.wustl.edu (Fikri Mohamed Fauz)
Subject: Windows 3.0 & Fax/Modem problems.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:23:11 GMT


I recently installed windows 3.0 on my 486 33 DX machine. The software
works fine with the exception of one thing. Every time I run Windows,
my Fax/Modem (installed on COM4) seems to become an instant zombie.
I have tried all kinds of stuff to free up the modem including 
emmexclude in the .ini file but to no avail. Maybe I'm using incorrect
addresses or something. I am getting extremely frustated at this time.

By the way the reason that I have the modem on COM4 is because the mouse is
on COM1 and Scanner is installed on COM2. At this point I am willing to
try anything just so that I do not have to reboot my machine every time
I want to use the Modem.

Thanx Much in Advace.

fk

Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: jkb@ms.uky.edu (Keith Burton)
Subject: Re: ATI Drivers for 3.1 PLEASE!!!
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:08:44 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

Just uploaded them.  Look for "ATIVGA.ZIP" in the uploads directory.

Keith Burton
Xref: sparky comp.windows.ms:11858 comp.os.os2.misc:10759
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Tastes gross/more fattening (was Is Windoze an OS?, and about OS/2
Keywords: (hex encoded ASCII) 3A 2D 29
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:26:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: datamark.1992Apr07.202621.23045
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Apr6.102130.6975@midway.uchicago.edu>
chi9@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

<stuff deleted here and there>

>	In order to resolve whether or not Windows is an operating system, we
>are going to have to look at some other things whose extent of being operating
>systems can be determined by non-subjective methods.  Logically, one would
>pick the other things such that they will have some relation to Windows, in
>order to make the comparisons more meaningful.  Therefore, I will pick DOS and
>OS/2.

Thank you for your contribution to the argument. It's one of the best
I've seen although I don't agree with your conclusion.

>	The case of DOS is slightly less obvious, but careful application of
>numerological regressive analysis indicates that, as (again) the name implies,
>it is a deci-operating system -- that is to say, 0.1 of an operating system.
>Successive enhancements and cloning of it have brought it up to the point
>where Microsoft is currently marketing 0.5 of an operating system, while
>Digital Research/Novell is actually marketing 0.6 of an operating system.
>IBM, on the other hand, was until recently marketing 0.401 of an operating
>system for those able to see through the obvious division of an operating
>system by 2 but gullible enough to be fooled into buying a deci-operating
>system.  Previous versions of DOS have been 0.33 or less of an operating
>system.

I agrree with this.

>0.0333333333333, which gives us the astounding answer that Windows 3.0 is 1.5
>of an operating system!

By the same calculation that you used on Dos version numbers, I would
assume that Windows 3.0 is 0.3 of an operating system.

Therefore the combination of Dos 5.0 and Windows 3.0 would be 0.5 +
0.3 = 08 of an operating system.

THis numbers seems about right to me.

:-)

-- 
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Technical Writer & Dos M/Wrangler           | Love is a warm beagle.
From: glenn@intermec.com (Glenn Wildfong)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: :-)
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:47:10 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@intermec.com (Glenn Wildfong)
Distribution: na
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

In article <1992Apr12.030716.16117@wam.umd.edu> pr@wam.umd.edu (Jesus M. Rodriguez) writes:
>
>
>
>	WINDOWS SUCKS!!!

        Windows sells...
        
        (major difference from OS/2...)
        
        
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: btsg6965@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Briand T Sanderson)
Subject: PANASONIC 24-pin printer driver -> DUMB Margin Limits!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:53:00 GMT

I just discovered what I would call an ERROR in the panasonic PANSON24 printer
driver. I tried printing a document I had made in Word for Windows while 
running windows 3.0. (But using the EPSON24 printer driver.) Now when printing
this driver with the PANSON24 driver from Win 3.1, I got the message: Margins
are set outside the printable area. My margins are almost always set at 0.5"
for top, left, right, and bottom. SO I did a little playing around and
discovered that the driver will complain for margins less than the following:

top: 0.3" (I like this!)
left: 0.0" (This is cool!)
right: 0.5" (I think this could have been made smaller, but I can live with it)
BOTTOM: 1.0" (THIS IS RIDICULOUS!)

Why did they limit the bottom margin to 1" ??? Is there any way to get them
to fix this limit. It seems unreasonable to me!

Anyone else agree?

B. Sanderson
From: khamer@sumax.seattleu.edu (Little Kenny Hamer)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: more bugs in 3.1
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:03:55 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle, WA

Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA
Keywords: 

>But wait...it seems like _all_ my apps only allow one copy to run at a
>time under 3.1.  This includes WordPerfect for Windows (though I think{

Not entirely true...  I have five instances of W4W up right now, as well as 
four of windows unarchive.  :)  GOD I LOVE MY COMPUTER!

-Ken Hamer

P.S.  Mathcad for win will only open once, tho.  Any Ideas why some and not 
others????
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: paschall@utdallas.edu (Dwayne Paschall)
Subject: Re: Cricket Graph and Windows 3.1 
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:57:32 GMT

I've been using Cricket Graph and windows 3.x for about 18 mos. now. I CAN 
say that CG and Win3.1 ARE caompatable, at least on my machine. I run a 
CompuAdd 286/12 MHZ and Win 3.1 with 2.5 Megs RAM, 287, 67 Meg HD.

The output of Cricket Graph is very good. However, on my machine and my 
Epson EPL-7000 laser printer, printing is quite slow. SImilar to Harvard 
Graphics and a Dot Matrix printer.

The ONLY gripe I have with Cricket Graph (other than still being designed for 
windows 2.1) is that it does not have the ability to put tick marks on the 
opposite X and Y axes. Sure you can have 2 Y axis scales, but not the SAME 
scale for both Y axes and both X axes.

Best wishes,
Dwayne Paschall
paschall@utdallas.edu
From: gonzalm@prism.cs.orst.edu (Mario Gonzales)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: FAST! WIN 3.1 Terminal Program (Microphone II)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:49:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Apr13.174915.4818
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept

In <1515.29E923F5@weyr.fidonet.org> Norman.Russell@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Norman Russell) writes:


> On 04-08-92 Briand T Sanderson wrote to All...   
>   
> BT> WOW! The Terminal Program is MUCH MUCH Faster. My 9600 looks   
> BT> like 9600 baud now!   
>   
>What terminal program are you using Briand?   
>I'm looking for a good one to use under Windows, preferably one   
>that handles ANSI and ZMODEM file transfer.   
>   
>   
>   Norm   
> 
... OFFLINE 1.35 * Any given program, once running, is obsolete. 

You might want to try a program called Microphone II.  It is a GREAT r
program.  I have a friend who uses it and it is very nice.  I have
seen the same program on the mac.  One word of caution is that with
3.1 my friend said that you need to replace the comm driver that the
program installs with 3.1 driver becasue it does not seem to work 
correctly with it.

Hope this helps.

Mario
From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: PARADISE DRIVER FOR WIN 3
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SataLink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324
Reply-To: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) 

JM.I have the paradise driver set that came with my card, and when I install
  .it for Win3.1, I get an error like "Cannot allocate block at B000, please
  .exclude this from your memory manager"

You don't need new drivers, just EXPAND MONOUMB2.38_ to MONOUMB2.386
in your \WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory, then add the following line in your
[386enh] section of SYSTEM.INI

driver=monoumb2.386

This will allow your memory manager to use the B000-B7FF memory range
without conflict with windows.
---
 . KingQWK 1.05 . Yes, I'm *still* using WordStar.  By choice.
From: lchang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Ling Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: more bugs in 3.1
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:37:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Doug said:

>1) a bad one: the clock appears to only run once, no multiple copies,
>   and, far worse, you can't make it the active window by clicking
>   just anywhere on it - you have to use the "move bar" area.
>   Whoever at microsoft that did this, it was dumb.

	Actually the reason that clock only able to run once is becuase
of win 3.1 new feature of remembering the position of the applications,
as mentioned in the latest issue of PC Magazine's excellent coverage on
win 3.1
	If you want to run more clocks, just reinstall the clock from
win 3.0 (which is basically  the same).  You only need the clock.exe
(probably can rename this if you still want the 3.1 clock) and digital.fon
in the windows directory and away you go.

Hope this helps,
Ling S. Chang
lchang@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: DeskJet driver solution?
From: ebath@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:14:36 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City


I don't know if this will actually work, but I guess that anything is worth
a try.  In the OS/2 newsgroup, they have found that DeskJet support is
accomplished via the Epson EPL 7000 driver.  As an owner of a 7000 this seemed
quite strange.  After searching through a couple of *.ini files in my Windows
dir, I found some references to the DeskJet.  Specifically, after the Word
for Windows 2.0 marker, I found DeskJet=+.  I don't know if this actually
means anything, but maybe it will provide a temporary fix for some of you.

Also, I am not an OS/2 or Windows nut, just a PC user who reads both groups.

P.S.  Could a couple of you send me a mail message as soon as you read this?
      Our NEWSserver has been behind by 6 days, and they recently "fixed" it.
      I just want to check their work.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: QWK Msg Reader for WIN3
From: lchiu@animal.gcs.co.nz (Lawrence Chiu)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:06:22 GMT
Organization: GCS Limited, Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1492.29E3DE0B@weyr.fidonet.org> Norman.Russell@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Norman Russell) writes:
>Does anybody know of a QWK message reader for Windows? 
> 
> 
>   Norm     (norman.russell@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org) 
> 
> 
>... OFFLINE 1.35 * A seminar on Time Travel will be held 2 weeks ago 
>
>--  
>Norman Russell - via FidoNet node 1:140/22
>UUCP: ...!access.usask.ca!weyr!43!Norman.Russell
>Domain: Norman.Russell@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org
>Standard Disclaimers Apply...

You might try WNQWK130.zip available on cica. It's shareware registration fee
about $30. Version 2.0 is supposed to be out at about the same time as WIN31.
It's not too bad but I had to ditch it 'cos the QWK door on my local BBS is
buggy.


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From: hugh@slee06.srl.ford.com (Hugh Fader)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Smartdrive double buffering question
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:10:17 GMT
Reply-To: hugh@slee01.srl.ford.com
Organization: Ford Motor Company Scientific Research Labs, Dearborn, MI

I have a question about smartdrive and double buffering. The
documentation says double bufferring is typically required only for
SCSI drives. (I just have plain old IDE disks.) It also says that to
check to see if you need double buffering, invoke smartdrive in a dos
window and check ``double buffering'' column in the output table for
all NOs. I did this and got two NOs for my floppies and two -s
(dashes) for my hard drives. I assume this means I can't remove the
smartdrive entry from config.sys.  

What do the dashes in the smartdrive output mean?

Are there performance issues with running double buffering?

Will it hurt to remove the config.sys entry and see what happens?

When and why is double buffering required?

The documentation on smartdrive is very sparse. Maybe someone in the
know could answer these questions.
--
Hugh Fader
hugh@slee01.srl.ford.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.sys.mac.misc