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From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: TCF'92 THIS WEEKEND!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:13:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The Trenton Computer Festival 1992 will be held at Mercer College on
Saturday, April 11 (9-6) and Sunday, April 12 (10-4). 

This year's festival features:
	- The world's largest outdoor personal computer FLEA MARKET
	- Over 170 National Vendor and Commercial Booths, featuring AST,
          Adobe, Aldus, Borland, Microsoft, Lotus, Corel, Micrografx,
	  Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, WordPerfect, Intel, Symantec, 
	  Software Publishing, and local vendors.
	- More than 125 FREE Seminars, Forums and Talks on all aspects of
	  computing.
	- Thousands of dollars worth of door prizes, including an AST 386SX
	  notebook computer, an HP color printer and an HP color scanner.
	- Saturday evening banquet features keynote speaker, Paul Grayson,
	  CEO of Micrografx. Tickets are $20 each.
	- Admission:
		General: $7 for both days; $5 for Sunday only
		Students and Seniors: $3 for both days
		Preschoolers accompanied by adult: FREE
		Other Children Under 12 accompanied by adult: $3 for both days,
			FREE on Sunday only

Files with all kinds of good information are available for anonymous
ftp from pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) in pub/TCF/tcf.  They include:

	what.is.TCF - history and description of TCF
	gen.info - general info about TCF, directions, parking, etc.

Pete Holsberg
TCF 92 Steering Committee
From: trn@warper.jhuapl.edu (Tony Nardo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: ved and the osfLeft, osfUp,... keys
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:39:47 GMT

HP's Technical Support line gave me the answer to this one.  All I needed to
do was add *defaultVirtualBindings for osfLeft, osfUp, etc.
--
Tony Nardo,		   INET: trn@warper.jhuapl.edu, trn@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
 Johns Hopkins Univ./APL   UUCP: {backbone!}mimsy!aplcomm!trn
From: zzcgudy@uts.mcc.ac.uk (D.Yip)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: vt100 keymaps audio
Keywords: vt100 keymaps audio
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:28:11 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

Hello,

	I apologise for this post before I start since I know it has already been
dealt with!

	Recently their was a posting of a set of keyboard maps for a vt100
terminal. Could someone please send them to me.

	On a totally different subject, has anyone gotten the audio to work,
we have a 720 with all the bits and pieces but I am unable to start or get the
demo programs to run that came with HP-UX 8.07?

	Thanks in advance

	David.
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Problem with HP C++, Intercepting cfront
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:24:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.7370873
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> However, when we make the test programs,
> if we use the -g option in CC to compile, we get the following warning
> messages:

> ld: error in debug tables in test.o
> ld: error in debug tables in test.o

See the following line in you script output ?

/usr/lib/c++merge CAAa01629.o /usr/tmp/BAAa01629.x test.o

c++merge combines the debug info generated by HP's cfront, and the debug 
info generated by the C compiler to make a set of debug table for the
debugger. 

Grossly simplifying:

From the C++ debug info you get such things as class/object information.
From the C compiler you get source/code line information.

Since by the time you call HP's cfront you are feeding it a
C program and not the original C++ program the process breaks down.
You are basically left with debug info for the C program with lines number
that point back to the original program.
In other words, back to the dark ages of trying to debug a C++ program
with a C debugger.

What does your cfront do that you need to call it first ?

bruno.
From: renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Does CD-ROM documentation work?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:20:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs

hsg@duke.cs.duke.edu (Henry Greenside) writes:
> HP makes a lot of its documentation available on
> CD-ROM. In practice, does a CD-ROM provide a reasonable
> alternative to hard copy manuals?

In my experience, CD-ROM documentation makes it much easier to track
down information than do hard copy manuals.  The CD-ROM product includes
a keyword search capability that allows you to find and browse all
documents relating to specific topics.  It is often the case that I will
find the information I'm looking for in a manual I don't even have.

The only real drawback to it is that it takes up space on your screen.
There's no good equivalent to laying the manual open on your desk and
using a few pages for an extended period of time.  For most manuals,
this isn't important, but for things like the reference manual, I would
not want to be limited to the CD-ROM.

--bob--
From: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: If statements in makefiles -- again
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:56:44 GMT
Reply-To: jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov (TOLLIVER J S)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

A few weeks back there was a discussion of if statements in makefile
action lines.

This is a DIFFERENT question. I am using GNU make 3.62.

I would like to set the value of a macro based upon the value of an
enviroment variable. Is this possible?

For example, suppose, under ksh, I have
	export MACHINE=HP

And in the makefile, I want to do something like this:
	if [ "$(MACHINE)" = "HP" ]; then \
		INCDIR = /a/b/c; \
	else \
		INCDIR = /x/y/z; \
	fi

The above doesn't seem to do anything if it is outside any action. INCDIR
never gets set. (With HP's make and Silicon Graphics make, the above is
not even legal outside of an action.)

Putting the above as an action like this:

all: define_inc

define_inc:
	<the "if" shown above>

breaks because of the spaces around the "=" not being allowed
in a Bourne shell script. Taking away the spaces allows it to run, but
INCDIR still never gets set. Exporting INCDIR after setting it doesn't
help either.

Is this hopeless?

Thanks,
Johnny Tolliver
jxt@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov
From: masa@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Masayoshi Habu)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:56:45 GMT
Subject: Re: XtDestroyWidget ?'s on HP-UX
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

/ hpscit:comp.sys.hp / walden@misty.boeing.com (Bill Walden) /  1:29 pm  Apr  3, 1992 /
XtGurus and XmGurus,

 I seem to be having a problem with XtDestroyWidget (or so I think).  Here
 are the particulars:

	 HP 345 workstation running HP-UX 8.0, X11R4, and Motif 1.1

	The following code segment creates a toplevel shell which contains
        a rowcolumn widget containing 40 togglebuttons.  After realizing
	the toplevel, I call a function which prints out the widget tree by
	walking it.  The callback for the togglebuttons first destroys the
        rowcolumn widget, syncs, and then prints out the widget tree again.
        Unfortunately, the two lists are the same!  I expected that there
        would not be any widgets in the tree after the XtDestroyWidget.
	Did I make an incorrect assumption?  BTW, I've also tried to
        put a time-waster between the sync and the printing out of the
  	widget tree to no avail.  Any ideas will be appreciated.
	Thanks for your time.

I believe that XtDestoryWidget() does not destroy widgets immediately.
Instead, it marks those widgets as "being destoryed".  This is to permit
a widget to destory itself in a callback function. When your control goes
back to XtMainLoop() (just before returning from XtAppDispatchEvent()),
those marked widgets are actually destroyed. You can check this status
by looking at core.being_destroyed field.

Masa
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:5041 comp.windows.x:9688
From: huis@Software.Mitel.COM (Stephen Hui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.windows.x
Subject: Need help to convert X11R3 application to X11R4
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:57:24 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Hello,

	I have an application that is running on X11R3 on HP-UX 7.05 now,
and I planned to upgrade our system to 700 series, which will run HP-UX 8.0
with X11R4. I had tried to re-compile the application on a 700 series machine
and have no luck. Some files are missing in /usr/include/X11R4/X11 directory.

	Can someone tell me what to do in order to re-compile a X11R3's
application to X11R4 ?

	Thanks !

							Stephen

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stephen Hui                     uunet!mitel!testeng1!huis
Mitel Corporation               Tel: (613) 592-5660 X4959
Kanata, Ontario, CANADA         Fax: (613) 592-4784
From: umfehr06@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Fehr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:57:08 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Does anyone know how to avoid the
XIO:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server "sneezy:0.0"
      after 812 requests (807 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
      The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.

whenever you stop an X program by double clicking on its close widget?  Especially
when programs are run in the background, and you do this, then your system
gety cluttered up with 'stopped' tasks.  Any help on this would be appreciated.
    John


-- 
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From: chlg1043@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher H Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: ASCII to PS
Keywords: ASCII-PS converter
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:53:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr15.165315.9114
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I heard that there is a public domain program that
converts ASCII files to PostScript files.  does
anyone have any info on this (program name, site, etc.)?

thanks.

chris lee
lee@gate.spg.uiuc.edu
From: tt@romulus.jyu.fi (Tapani Tarvainen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Datebook wish list
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla
Originator: tt@romulus.jyu.fi

The datebook program shipped with HP-UX is a nice application -- or
would be, but for one big problem (and a few minor ones).  Namely: it
thinks week begins on Sunday.  Yes, I know that's the convention in
the USA, but Monday is the first day of the week in most (all?) of
Europe, and it's an international (ISO) standard besides.  So, if
whoever maintains it is reading: if possible, add a command line
switch/X resource/whatever to allow changing that.  Pretty please?

While at it, week numbers would be nice to have, too.
(I guess nobody uses them in USA... If you don't know how they're
defined, drop me mail and I'll explain or even send you code.)

Other problems I've had when experimenting with datebook
(these may be just my stupidity):

- backspace doesn't work in the browser.  (I have xmodmapped
  the Backspace key as Del, which I suspect is the cause;
  but ctrl-h doesn't work either.)  

- it eats up unnecessary space under the dates and can't be resized
  smaller (won't accept smaller geometry and resizing with a mouse
  doesn't last long, it resizes itself).

- the clock display apparently can't be set to use 24-hour notation
  (this would be important if I wanted to use the clock display,
  but I prefer xclock anyway).  Is there some resource for this
  I have missed?

I'm running it under HP-UX 8.07 on a 9k/720, if that matters.

--
Tapani Tarvainen    (tarvaine@jyu.fi, tarvainen@finjyu.bitnet)
From: hsg@duke.cs.duke.edu (Henry Greenside)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Does CD-ROM documentation work?
Keywords: CD-ROM, documentation
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:53:43 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


HP makes a lot of its documentation available on
CD-ROM. In practice, does a CD-ROM provide a reasonable
alternative to hard copy manuals?

I would be quite interested in actual experiences in
access times and ease of looking up information, since
it is a big win in office space and maintenance of
documentation to live off a CD-ROM if possible.

	Thanks,

	Henry
From: lsterzin@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Lawrence Sterzinger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: NFS accelerator & remote print service
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:05:34 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Ford Motor Company

a866700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Wong Siu To) writes:
: Hi all,
: 
: Does anyone know whether HP 8x7 series and 700 series support
: Prestoserve (the NFS accelerator) ?

Sorry don't know this one...

: Does anyone know whether there is any utility to enable remote printing
: to and from BSD systems (e.g. Ultrix, SUNOS, etc) ?  i.e. to accept
: remote print requests from these BSD systems and print files to BSD
: systems ?
: 
Ah, one I can help with.  Look at the man page for rlpdaemon(1M).  First step
is to make sure in the inetd.conf file the line starting with printer is 
uncommented.  Then use sam to configure your printer queues. I have had quite
a few types of workstations printing through my 720 (BSD, SYSV, SCO ...).  I
also use remote machines frequently and haven't had any printing related prob's.

Hope this helps!

-- 
Lawrence L. Sterzinger
Automotive Components Division
Ford Motor Company
From: dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: 720-730 upgrade
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:49:52 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

We were told that by our HP rep that a 720 cannot be upgraded to a 730
unless the operating system is first loaded on the 720.  I.e., you can't
take a 720 without the OS on disk, upgrade it to a 730, and THEN load the
OS.

This makes no sense to me.  Does it make any sense to anybody else?  If
so, why?
-- 
Rahul Dhesi <dhesi@cirrus.COM>
UUCP:  oliveb!cirrusl!dhesi
From: gates@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bill Gates)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: window resize automatically changes environment?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:58:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcdc.5570855
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.


> I'm still curious: Why mix
> the old functionality (LINES/COLUMNS) and new functionality
> (SIGWINCH/TIOCGWINSZ) in a single application?  Why not ignore LINES
> and COLUMNS in favor of the size as reported by the TIOCGWINSZ ioctl()?
>
> All the shells respond to SIGWINCH by resetting LINES and COLUMNS, but
> only if they are already set.  If LINES and COLUMNS are ever manually
> unset, the shells do not set them on a SIGWINCH.  

Believe me, we discussed exactly how things should behave for quite awhile
before implementing the shells as you have noted.  What we figured was this:
we shouldn't be mucking around in the user's environment, adding things
and such, unless the user has indicated that such mucking is welcome by
setting the variables we would want to change.  If LINES and COLUMNS don't
exist in the environment, we decided not to put them in, leaning towards
the conservative side, I guess.

LINES and COLUMNS have been around for a long time.  To just start ignoring
them would break things, I'd bet.

Bill
From: mick@otto.bf.rmit.oz.au (Mick Tran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: emacs for HP
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:30:20 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

Kimmo.Suominen@lut.fi (Kimmo Suominen) writes:

>>>>>> "Alan" == Alan McCain <alanm@trin.edu> writes:

>Alan> Can someone tell me where I might be able to ftp the HP-enhanced
>Alan> version of emacs?

>Anonymous ftp to nic.funet.fi:/pub/unix/arch/hpux/interex.  Note the
>new 'arch' directory in the path...
>--
>Kim                      /  Internet: Kimmo.Suominen@lut.fi
>"That's what I think."  /   Bitnet:   KIM@FINFILES

	Any sites in Australia has same enhanced version of Emacs ??
	Does any body know ??
	Thank

	Mick Trans
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From: bobm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Montgomery)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:53:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Weird problems with X11R5 shared libraries under HPUX
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:

> The library is definitely readable, though, since cc found it just fine,
> and since I can sum it:

Shared libraries must be readable and executable.  For performance
reasons, they should not be writable (on a 700).

Bob Montgomery, HP
From: maint@positron.uucp (Maintenance Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: route and routed(?) on S700 running HP-UX 8.07(5)
Keywords: routed gated
Date: 5 Apr 92 16:47:25 GMT
Reply-To: eric@csi6.med.ge.com
Organization: ---

In article <1992Apr1.222534.11285@alw.nih.gov> wayne@helix.nih.gov (Wayne Rasband) writes:
>In article <15766@bunny.GTE.COM>, ctc0@newshost.gte.com (C T Chen) writes:
>> This is my first posting to this group. We have a few HP S700 WS running HP-UX 8.07(5). 
>> We like to be able to telnet to hosts outside our LAN. But we can't. When we I did a man
>
>We had the same problem with our new 730 workstation. The problem went away when I
>set up remote name service by creating a resolver configuration file,
>/etc/resolv.conf. The format of this file is described on page 4-31 of the 
>"Installing and Administering ARPA Services" manual. You shouldn't have to buy
>any extra software.


HP-UX includes gated, which handles routing of several protocols including
tcp/ip.

Gated is in /etc, I believe. Try man gated.

Eric Bushnell
eric@csi6.med.ge.com

Not a statement by my employers or any of the fine organizations who
provide news.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: redmond@engr.wisc.edu (Mike Redmond)
Subject: HP Vectra (DOS Machine) memory in an HP 710?
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:05:03 CDT
Originator: redmond@hobie.engr.wisc.edu


Has anyone successfully installed HP-Vectra SIMM's into an HP 710? They
seem to have the same form factor and HP has indicated that SIMMS for the 
710 should be relatively standard and "inexpensive". Would there be unique
speed requirements for 710 SIMMS (70ns vs 80ns for the Vectras for example)?

Thanks
Mike Redmond

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Subject: Re: xdb's disassembly mode.
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:03:10 GMT

In article <105630006@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com> larryt@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Larry Thompson) writes:

> >This is a sample of the appearance of xdb's disassembly mode under
> >HP-UX 8.07 on a 720:
> >
> >        0x0009c1cc   signal_n        STW     26,-36(0,30)
> > > 121: 0x0009c1d0   signal_n+0004   LDW     -36(0,30),20
> >        0x0009c1d4   signal_n+0008   COMIBF,<=,N     1,20,signal_name+0044
> >
> >Is there any way to make xdb show more than just the first 8
> >characters of the function name?
> 
> Not really.
...
> I'm a little surprised at the question from someone from CenterLine.  I use
> to use SaberC and thought your debugger tools where far superior to the
> basic xdb/adb tools provided by HP-UX (Then again, how do you debug a 
> debugger?).

Thanx for the compliment.  FYI, our products are now called CodeCenter
and ObjectCenter (formerly Saber-C and Saber-C++).  Your suspicions
are correct: until our programming environments reach a certain level
of functionality on a new platform, we have to use the native debugger
to find problems.  Let me return the compliment: despite the
single-character commands (I use macros to get around most of them),
HP's xdb is far superior to dbx on Suns, DECstations, and RS/6000s,
especially for doing machine-level debugging and for single-stepping
and disassembling in the data segment, which we do a lot of.  I love
how xdb highlights the registers as they change!
--
franl@centerline.com   || Fran Litterio                               
uunet!centerline!franl || CenterLine Software R&D                     
617-498-3255           || 10 Fawcett St, Cambridge, MA, USA 02138-1110
From: rew@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Rob Wolters)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:41:42 GMT
Subject: Re: What is the best workstation?
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp


> I am a grad student in the market for a workstation to do CAD and GIS work.
> Any opinions on 9000 vs. Sun, SGI etc.?
> Any information is welcome as I am just a novice.
> E-mail to jwd@ced.berkeley.edu or post if you think it is important.
> No flames please!
> ----------

  Well, the HP 9000/700 Series of course...

  Sorry - I couldn't resist.  

  Cheers,

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Wolters              |  rew@hpuerca.hp.com
Network Support Engineer |
Hewlett-Packard          |  #include <std_disclaimer.h>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: lamont@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (LaMont Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: PA-RISC assembly language question.
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:46:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcss01.20240003
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio) writes:
>According to HP 700 "Assembly Language Reference Manual", section
>"Registers and Register Mnemonics":
>    In addition, there is a special register mnemonic defined as %previous_sp
>    that allows access to the previous value of the stack pointer.  This
>    should be used in the position a base register would ordinarily be used.

>I can't figure out how to use the %previous_sp mnemonic in an assembly
>language function.  Of all the methods I tried only this one assembled
>without a syntax error, but I'm not sure it does what I want, namely
>to save the old SP value into the location referenced by -4(%r30):
>
>		ldo	0(previous_sp),%r22
>		stw	%r22,-4(%r30)

This does produce the correct code.  It will also generate correct code if
you use %previous_sp, and will not require the include of <soft_reg.h>.  
(This will also generate a warning that a general register is expected. 
I'll pass this on to the compiler folks.)

>I also don't understand why the documentation calls it "%previous_sp"
>but /usr/include/soft_reg.h defines only "previous_sp".  The 700
>assembler does not accept "%previous_sp".

previous_sp is defined in <soft_reg.h>, %previous_sp is defined in the
assembler.  I would expect that the series 700 assembler generates the
correct code even though it issues the warning.

Needless to say, this does not constitute an official statement of the
Hewlett-Packard Company.