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From: dls7627@zeus.tamu.edu (SLOTNICK, DAVID LOUIS)
Subject: Overheated sound box?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:45:00 GMT

Hello NeXT users!  I have a question that hopefully one of you kind people
can help me with.  What I am about to describe sounds completely insane,
but I have tried everything obvious and cannot find the cause.

I recently bought a modem and installed it on my NeXTStation Turbo Station
16/400.  To conserve desk space, I placed the sound box on top of the modem.
To my surprise, in about thirty minutes my machine COMPLETELY locked up---
it would accept NOTHING from the keyboard (even the command-command-~ and
alternate-alternate-* key sequences) and nothing from the mouse.  The only
thing I could do to get the computer to respond was press the "power" key,
but even then I couldn't hit the "turn it off" button because my mous wouldn't
work!  After calling NeXT support to no avail, I was forced to pull the plug
in a hard power-down.  To my surprise, WHEN THE MACHINE BOOTED UP IT WAS STILL
LOCKED!  I continued to power down again and again (four times total) until
finally I, by chance, removed the sound box from the top of the modem and 
placed it on the desk surface.  Then the reboot succeeded!!  After many trials
I determined that placing the modem on top of the modem somehow causes the
machine to lock up--trust me, I am a veteran NeXT user.

My question is this:  has anyone experienced this or a similar problem?
If not, can anyone hypothesize an explanation?

Since the top of the modem is moderately warm, I think that the sound box
may be overheating somehow, although this doesn't seem possible to me.

To repeat, it isn't the cables, slab, monitor, physical movement, or
ANYTHING ELSE which causes the failure---only placing the sound box
on top of the modem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: strauss@aero.org (Daryll J. Strauss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Color 17" vs 21": which is better?
Date: 5 Sep 1992 20:36:39 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org

In article <Bu4BwJ.1o9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
>
>UH since when did they have these?  I've not noticed/heard any new
>product announcements.
>

The new Trinitron option, for those who haven't heard, is available as of
Sept. 1. The cost is an extra $300 list and you get a 17" Sony trinitron
and an ADB sound box and keyboard. The only caveat presented in the
announcement I got was that the new keyboard does use different keysyms
so programs that rely on that (like SoftPC and some X servers) won't
work correctly until they are updated. NeXT is still selling the old
monitor (they call Fimi) for the old price.

Now if I can only get my current order to show up with the new monitors! ;-)

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:19625 comp.sys.next.sysadmin:5199
From: ssietz@aramis.rutgers.edu (Steven Sietz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: NeXT Netinfo Troubles
Keywords: Help!
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:50:15 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I was messing around with my cube yesterday and I think I confused netinfo.

Here's the deal:

My cube died last month and had it shipped out.  In the meantime, I changed
the netinfo on its clients - nextstations (from netinfo network to non-netinfo)
I get the cube back and boot it up.  The previous netinfo db was restored
and all looked well.  I changed the configs on the nextstations back to
netinfo and rebooted.  They couldn't find their netinfo server. 

I was able to connect to the station's netinfo db from the cube so I knew I
was close.  However, I believe I started copying the broadcasthost entry
between domains.  This caused my cube's netinfo to shut down.  I am logged in
as myself but cannot su to root, run netinfo, or even an ls -l.  (Plain ls 
works).  Nor can I do an nidump of the / domain.

What should I do?  I presume I must reboot into single user mode but don't know
my way around niutil or niload.  Help!!

		-Steve-

PS.  These NeXT machines sure aren't very forgiving!!
-- 
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:19306 comp.sys.next.programmer:5992
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: looking at the bits in video frames (3.0 NeXT Dimension)
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:08:37 GMT
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Sep1.033025.7164@news.media.mit.edu> mike@media-lab.mit.edu writes:
>Has anyone got a convenient and efficient way to get at
>the bits in grabbed video frames (on a NeXT Dimension under 3.0)?
>
>The problem is this: when you grab the frame, you get an
>image with representation NXCachedImageRep, which presumably
>somewhere has a pointer to the raw image in NeXTDimension memory.
>There are no methods to directly read this data, although you
>can draw it out to another view.  I tried compositing the
>NXCachedImageRep image into a newly allocated image with
>an NXBitmapImageRep (a TIFF), but the latter was converted
>to an NXCachedImageRep!

This is appkit.732 in NeXTanswers...  send a setDataRetained:YES to
the NXImage to prevent it from converting the NXBitmapImageRep to a
NXCachedImageRep...

>What I would like to do is simply get my hands on the pixel array
>that underlies the NXCachedImageRep of a grabbed frame,
>without copying and converting the whole frame.


Try to use either NXReadBitmap() or NXBitmapImageRep's
initData:fromRect: method (NeXT prefers NXBitmapImageRep).


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software
From: heller@riga.ks.uiuc.edu (Helmut Heller)
Subject: Problems with SLIP, Help needed!
Summary: No WindowServer with SLIP?
Reply-To: heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:08:54 GMT
Keywords: SLIP, Louis Mamakos, OS3.0, WindowServer

Hello,
I recently installed SLIP from Louis Mamakos (the latest version from 
sonata/incoming) and tried to run it on my new NeXTstation (OS 3.0). 
When I rebooted, everything looked fine, but then, when the loginwindow 
tried to come up, I got the message that it could not find a port for 
the window server and it never came up! The only way out was to reboot from 
a floppy and remove the entry from rc.local which had pointed to the 
SLIP initialization routines.
Of course, I don't have SLIP this way :-(


Did anyone else try to run SLIP (rel. date 920904) on a NeXt with 3.0 OS? 
Did it work for you? 
Are there any tricks to make it work? 
Is it all my fault?

Any help and any hints and tips would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks,
Helmut

-- 
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heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu   "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" 
FAX:   (217)244-6078                      ZEN, one of BLAKES7                
Phone: (217)244-6914        -------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.164238.2487@microsoft.com>, jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff
 Henshaw) writes:

	[...]
> I imagine that I'll get 10,000 pieces of mail saying
> that NeXTSTEP is better than the DOS/Win31 UI, and thus Microsoft
> is making a mistake with NT.  Please refrain, though, because
> I like NeXTSTEP, too, though there are 10,000,000 people who
> might think differently out there.

	Well, actually, there are some of us who think that it would be
	nice if NeXTSTEP along with the BSD environment were ported to NT.
	Many of us think that those 10 million people would agree with us
	if they had the chance to see NeXTSTEP apps alongside Windows apps;^)
	That discussion has been carried on mainly in comp.sys.next.advocacy.
	If you're interested, I, for one, would be happy to see you join in.

Opinions expressed are my own.

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Mathematica bundling/upgrade question
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:45:41 GMT
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Fredrik Nyman writes
> As an educational customer, I got Mathematica 2.0 bundled with 
> NeXTstep 2.0.  Now, I bought the NeXTCD/NeXTstep 3.0 bundle, and
> I'm curious if the latest version of Mathematica (2.1) will be
> bundled with NeXTstep 3.0 for all higher educational customers
> or if I'll have to buy the upgrade directly from Wolfram.

You'll have to get the upgrade from Wolfram, but for US$50 (educational  
price) and telling them your license number, you can upgrade to 2.1.   
They'll send it to you when it comes out for the NeXT, as of early last  
week when I got this quote from them, the woman I spoke with said it  
wasn't out yet.
--
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- no NeXTmail please
From: rvs@vnp.com (Ronald V. Simmons)
Subject: Re: ZyXEL 1496 modem (Does it work on uucp?)
Reply-To: rvs@vnp.com
Organization: VNP Software
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:19:36 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes regarding NXFax1.02 from B&W  
Software:
> 
> [ ]
> 
> Have you uucp'd it?
> 

Yes. Incoming and outgoing every 15 minutes for the past 4-5 months, except  
when the modem was tied-up with an incoming or outgoing fax call. It appears to  
me to work flawlessly.

NOTE: I'm a Neuron burnee, so I have some sense of exactly what constitutes  
working. :^) In fact, I run NXFax on a Neuron 1496 (with appropriately upgraded  
ROMs, of course). 
 
> Philip McDunnough
> University of Toronto
> philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Ronald V. Simmons
rvs@vnp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Tools.tar.Z from andrew and gerrit
Summary: Tools.tar.Z from andrew and gerrit
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:30:39 GMT

Has anybody ported Tools.tar.Z to 2?
From: eronald@CNAM.CNAM.FR (Edmund Ronald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Prices on c.s.n.a -We're getting a vote!
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:46:37 GMT

Well, it seems the issue is of prices on csna will finally get decided
by a vote anyway- thanks Todd!
Do people feel that we ought to have a biz group anyway, for all the
suppliers with Usenet access to advertise on? 
Edmund.

Addendum:
Todd, your dictionary missed "BIBULOUS". Also, sadly, I am not a habitual
but only an occasional drunkard :-)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sowa@netcom.com (Erik Sowa)
Subject: tekton4tex --- mea culpa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 21:00:37 GMT
Organization: Wahoo 5

I goofed! The following excerpt from my mailbox makes the point: :-)

  Erick:
  thancks for your worck with the teckton font, but
  tom's name is spelled rokicki.

Heh, heh. How could I have done that to the author of one of my favorite
NeXTSTEP programs? I should know better---my name is frequently
misspelled and/or mispronounced, so I'm sensitive to the issue. Even
worse, I've spelled his name correctly on numerous occasions in the
past. It's been fixed in the readme and tar.Z file on sonata. No other
changes were made. Sorry, Tom!

-- 
Erik Sowa (sowa@netcom.com)
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: UPS software
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:01:28 GMT
Originator: matthews@oberon.umd.edu

Does anyone know of any software that lets an American Power Conversions
Back-UPS 520 (with serial port) let a NeXT know when the wall power's gone
and when the battery is getting low?

There was some software mentioned to be due out RSN but I never saw or heard
anything about that again.

(it'd be real cool if said software came with cable)
------
Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
------
Psychiatrists say that one out of four people are mentally ill.  Check
three friends.  If they're ok, you're it.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan)
Subject: Re: Mail.app
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 13:49:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.062859.14535@terminator.cc.umich.edu> danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.183156.1684@nntp.uoregon.edu>  
>cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu (Christian De Lay) writes:
>> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to keep the console mail  
>program from  
>> grabbing mail into the user's local directory from /usr/spool/mail?   
>It's  
>> getting annoying when users log in on console but then can't read  
>mail from  
>> remote since the mail file has been moved.
>
>I know of no way to stop NeXTMail from grabbing the mail into its own  
>directories, however if you do a 
> mail -f ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox
>you can get at your next mail mbox.  Be careful deleting messages  
>though; nextmail can get confused if you do things behind its back.   
>If it does get confused, try deleting the "table_of_contents" file  
>from the Active.mbox directory.  
>
>This method of course works for other mailboxes you may have defined.
>--
>dan pritts                     computer systems consultant


Yes actually you can do it.  In the Preferences for Mail.app, select the 
'Manual' mail retrieval option.  This will allow you to start up Mail.app
without having it automatically transfer your mail from /usr/spool/mail
until you choose to do so (i.e. until you select 'New Mail' from the 
Utilities option).  If you never select 'New Mail', your mail can always
be read from the console, otherwise you can always get back to it via
Dan Pritts' suggestion (mail -f ...) above.

Kharim



-- 
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     Kharim M. Hogan             Systems Administrator 
     hogan@music.mcgill.ca       Faculty of Music, McGill University
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Full address of BFJ
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:19:43 GMT

In <1992Sep7.220721.20970@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) writes:

>I'm in the process if filing a complaint to the Better Business Bureau
>agains BFJ Enterprises.  The form requires the full address of the
>company.  I only have their 1-800 number.  Anybody know the full
>address?

>Any help sincerely appreciated!

Ha ha ha ha ha   I just finished my own form and letter to the same 
people.  (not that I find this "funny" but I have to  laugh or else I'll
cry, yell, hit things. . . . . )

anyway, the full address for BFJ is

BFJ Enterprises
608 Holcomb Bridge Road
Suite 220
Roswell, GA  30076

I wish you, me, and all the other suckers of the networld luck in this
matter.

tom


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Subject: Ever heard of Twincom modem?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:02:50 GMT

Has anyone ever heard of the Twincom modem?
It is advertised as:
14.4K baud
MNP 5
V42 bis

Has anyone ever tried using this on the NeXT?

I'd like to hear any opinions/experiences about this modem.

Thanks in advance,
Please email, post optionally
Andrew
andrewd@cs.tamu.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: Voice training using the NeXT?
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 02:30:51 GMT

Grant J. Munsey writes
> 
> I'm looking for an app to help with musical voice training.
> App asks you to sing a note and then shows you how close you
> got to the correct pitch... that sort of thing. I seem to
> remember something PD for the NeXT along those lines. Any
> pointers?

I think you're looking for AudioChallenger (in sonata.cc.purdue.edu,  
in pub/next/submissions).  From the README file:

"Audio Challenger 1.0"  was the first ear-training software released  
for the NeXT computer and version 1.7 offers substantial  
improvements.

Audio Challenger randomly generates ascending  
and descending melodic and harmonic musical intervals which can be  
used in  
assisting music students in trying to improve their ability to  
aurally identify musical intervals.   Audio Challenger features  
real-time synthesis on the DSP (digital signal processing) chip of  
the NeXT computer which gives it the advantage of a more natural and  
"lively" musical timbre than ear-training programs that currently  
exist on other platforms.  Audio Challenger is released as FREEware  
to the internet archives by the researchers and students of DREAMS:   
Digital Research (in) Electro-Acoustic Music (at) Skidmore College.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: WarpIt Version 1.1 is shipping
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:47:22 GMT

In article <65115@cup.portal.com> midiapolis@cup.portal.com (Gerard Thomas  
Schwarz) writes:
>  [a press release for a commercial product]

Shouldn't this be in c.s.n.a? What's the point of having a moderated  
newsgroup if people merrily avoid it?

Strike me as being particularly inflammatory when we're in the midst of a  
debate about commercial posts...

WarpIt sounds like a cool thing, but jeez!

Gordon
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From: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles William Swiger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: CDplayer 0.8 doesn't work.
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:39:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0egfTf200WDJI0zWVO
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 11-Sep-92 CDplayer 0.8 doesn't
work. Gerben Wierda@ltb.ltb.bs (665)

>It keeps asking for a disk, it won't recognize it and it tries to
>mount/initialize it.
>
>My CD-ROM drive is a NeXT, that has SCSI id 3. I ask for /dev/rsd3h and
>device 3 (whatever that means) through Tylers UI, or I run -d
/dev/rsd3h. >Now as i recall, h is the live partition of a SCSI device.
>
>Anyway, what is going wrong here and what should i do to make it work?

The problem is that you're trying to mount SCSI partition h of off a raw
device.  If the disk is a formatted device (with partition table, etc)
then you could mount the various partitions with "mount /mnt /dev/sd?a"
for a SCSI HD, "mount /mnt /dev/fd?a" for the floppy drive, or "mount -r
/mnt /dev/sr?a" for a CD-ROM.  (Actually, the name of the CD-ROM driver
may be different than sr? on the NeXT.  Doesn't really matter.)  The
question marks should be replaced with the appropriate number, which is
probably 0 for a floppy disk, and whatever the target number on the SCSI
chain is for a SCSI device.

If you want to deal with a raw partition, as in for a music CD, or a tar
dump made to floppy, or something like that, use the /dev/rsd?,
/dev/rfd?, or /dev/rsr? (respectively) devices without any partition
specified.

One other thing, partition h is not in general the "live" partition for
any machine that I know of.  On the Suns, partition c should represent
the entire device.  On the NeXT, most drives have the main partition as
partition a.

-Chuck

+---------------------------------------------+
|  Charles William Swiger -- a victim of CMU  | All the world's a stage,
|   AMS & normal mail: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu   | And we are merely players,
|    NeXTmail: <temporarily out of order>     | Performers and portrayers....
+---------------------------------------------+          -- RUSH, "Limelight"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Handling foreign payments.
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:08:38 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Sep3005800@nic.gac.edu>  writes:
> 
> My problem is that my bank wants $35 to turn a check drawn on a
> German bank into dollars in my account.  This is _not_ including
> changing the money, if that's needed.  Since NeXT is such a world-wide
> machine, I'm most likely not alone in this problem.  But, I've
> never seen any postings about it.
> 
> What do other people do to solve this problem?  Do people just
> require checks drawn on US banks?  [That, of course, just moves
> the onus onto the sender instead of the receiver.]  How do things
> work with dealers?  For instance, can a German dealer process funds
> from France reasonably, or does one have to have dealers in every
> blasted country?  Are there any options on-the-cheap?  [The problem
> is obviously entirely different depending on whether your program
> costs $500 or $50!]  Would it be worthwhile to have an account on
> a Swiss bank and have people do direct deposit?
> 

So far all of our international orders have been by credit card. Keeps  
things nice, simple and instant.

Gordon
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From: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Encription in 3.0?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:18:30 GMT
Reply-To: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us
Organization: Simson Garfinkel and Associates, Inc.

In article <16890@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd  
Heberlei) writes:
> > Did FEE encription make it into the 3.0 Mail.app?
> 
> No.
> 
> Due to restrictions on export of encryption software,
> NeXT would not have been allowed to sell the software
> outside the United States.  Why the chose not to release
> both an international version and a domestic version, I
> don't know. [see fall issue of NeXTWORLD pg. 31]
> 

Because that wouldn't work with NeXT's global strategy.  Imagine if you someone  
had sent encrypted mail from your chicago office to your pittsburgh office, but  
you were in france.  then you couldn't read it on your NeXT machine in france,  
because it wouldn't have the encryption software, even if you have NFS mounted  
your home directory from pittsburgh.

Another problem is that, whenever you sent somebody mail, you would have to  
know what country they were in.

-- 

................................................................simson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc