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From: Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: MX headers and mail logical names.
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:31:02 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

I have some mail logical names, defined as follows:

   "JON" = "DIEKEMA_JON" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
   "JIM" = "KERSJES_JAMES" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
   "KENT" = "MCPHERSON_KENT" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
   "PAUL" = "MILLER_PAUL" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)

In turn, the names on the right above are entries in VMSMAIL_PROFILE that are
placeholders for SET FORWARD commands.  They are:

DIEKEMA_JON has mail forwarded to MX%"<diekema_jon@mailtalk>"
KERSJES_JAMES has mail forwarded to MX%"<kersjes_james@mailtalk>"
MCPHERSON_KENT has mail forwarded to MX%"<mcpherson_kent@mailtalk>"
MILLER_PAUL has mail forwarded to MX%"<miller_paul@mailtalk>"

When I send mail

To: Jon,Jim,Kent,Paul

This work well.  Each gets his copy of the message.  Those of them who have the
ability to "reply to all recipients" can do so.  Great.  The header MX adds
looks like this:

To: diekema_jon@swdev.si.com, kersjes_james@swdev.si.com,
    mcpherson_kent@swdev.si.com, miller_paul@swdev.si.com

The node SWDEV is our MX system on our cluster.

Now, I also have a logical name as follows:

   "EWG" = "Jon,Jim,Kent,Paul" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)

When I send mail

To: EWG

again, each person gets the mail and can reply, but cannot reply to all
recipients.  The header looks like this:

To: "Jon,Jim,Kent,Paul"@swdev.si.com

Can you explain to me why the To: header would be different for these two cases,
since the logical names are all iteratively translated?  (They must be, because
everyone gets his mail.)  Is there a way to have both of these cases appear the
same on the receiving end, or should I just refrain from using the short-hand
EWG name?  Perhaps there is another way to express the logicals.  Since I know
where the mail aliases are really forwarded, I tried to define my logicals like
this:

   "JON" = "MX%"DIEKEMA_JON@MAILTALK"" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
   "JIM" = "MX%"KERSJES_JAMES@MAILTALK"" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
   "KENT" = "MX%"MCPHERSON_KENT@MAILTALK"" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
   "PAUL" = "MX%"MILLER_PAUL@MAILTALK"" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)

so that no extra forwarding look-up needed to occur.  Again, each received his
mail, but once again the To: header looked as before.

Thanks.  I appreciate your comments on this subject.

-----------------------------+--------------------------------
 Brian Tillman               | Internet: tillman@swdev.si.com
 Smiths Industries, Inc.     |           tillman_brian@si.com
 4141 Eastern Ave., MS129    | Hey, I said this stuff myself.
 Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 | My company has no part in it.
-----------------------------+--------------------------------
From: SYSENG@BHUOB00.BITNET
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: MX MAILER INFORMATIONS.
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 12:12 +0300
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

To MX MAILER Users,

        This is Nader Nasry, the VAX system engineer at University
        of Bahrain, our node ID is BHUOB00 in GULFNET connected to BITNET.
        We have VAX 8550 using VMS ver 5.4 and JNET ver 3.5.
        We are connected to Dahran to Ryadh to GWUVM etc.
        JNET does't accept Direct InterNet Domains then :
                1. What is your way to contact InterNet Using MX MAILER ?
                2. How can i get these Software ? Is It available
                   in the Network ?
        explain your solution, thanks.

*===============================***=====================================*
*  Best Regards,                !*!                                     *
*     UOB System Engineer       !*!     Tel.#  : (973) 449204           *
*     Nader Nasry               !*!     Fax    : (973) 441995           *
*     U.O.B. Computer Centre    !*!     E-Mail : SYSENG@BHUOB00         *
*     P.O.Box 32038, Sakheer    !*!                                     *
*     Bahrain                   !*!                                     *
*===============================***=====================================*
From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Patch, what patch?
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:45:28 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Phil Rand, <p_rand@spu.edu>, from the "rain capital of the world" (otherwise
known as The Evergreen State), writes:

>daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes in
>  <1992Oct2.091518.9170@vax.oxford.ac.uk>:
>
>> We've got the mail patch installed so that you don't have to put the MX% in
>> front of the address.
>
>What patch is this?  Where can I find it, and what are the pros and cons
>of installing it?  Any comments would be appreciated.

MX_ROOT:[CONTRIB]VMSMAIL_PATCH.TXT

-Dan Wing, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU or WING_D@UCOLMCC.BITNET (DGW11)
 Systems Programmer, University Hospital, Denver
(A former resident of WA State.  Sorry, couldn't resist!  <grin>)
From: "Hunter Goatley, WKU" <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: MX-LIST Administrivia: Monthly Post
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 00:05:02 CDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Last modified:  2-JUL-1992 00:40 01:26 (Created)

Welcome  to  MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET,  an electronic mailing list established
for the discussion of the Message Exchange mail software.

This is a routine posting you will see from time to time on MX-List.

The  MX-List  archives  are maintained at ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.BITNET.  To get a
copy of any month's postings, send an e-mail message  with  the  body  SEND
MX-List.yyyy-mm  to  ARCHIVES@WKUVX1.BITNET,  where  "yyyy" is the year and
"mm" is the numeric representation of the month.  For example, the  message
SENDME MX-List.1992-04 will send the archives for April 1992.

To  remove  yourself  from  the mailing list, send the following command to
LISTSERV@WKUVX1.BITNET:

  SIGNOFF MX-List

LISTSERV supports a few other commands for your convenience.  The following
commands can be handled automatically by the list processor:

 SIGNOFF MX-List       - to remove yourself from the list
 REVIEW MX-List        - to get a list of subscribers
 QUERY MX-List         - to get the status of your entry on the list
 SET MX-List NOMAIL    - to remain on the list but not receive mail
 SET MX-List MAIL      - to resume receiving mail from the list
 SET MX-List CONCEAL   - to not report your address in a REVIEW
 SET MX-List NOCONCEAL - to report your address in a REVIEW
 SET MX-List REPRO     - to receive posts you make to MX-List
 SET MX-List NOREPRO   - to not receive posts you make to MX-List
 LIST                   - to get a list of mailing lists served by WKUVX1
 HELP                   - to receive a help file

By default, subscriptions are set to MAIL, REPRO, NOCONCEAL.

If  you have any questions, comments, or suggestions about MX-List, please
contact the list owner at the address below.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Hunter Goatley, VAX Systems Programmer          goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET
Western Kentucky University
Academic Computing, STH 226                     (502) 745-5251
Bowling Green, KY 42101
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From: madison@Drago.TGV.COM (Matt Madison)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: inhomogeneous cluster?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:26:09 GMT
Reply-To: madison@tgv.com
Organization: The Foundation for Dinner Peas

In article <1ao5keINNr45@gap.caltech.edu>, mccaslin@cco.caltech.edu (Stanley John McCaslin) writes:
>I am just installing MX on a vaxcluster, one of whose nodes
>violates the condition for a homogeneous MX-cluster in that
>it has its own UAF.  Has anyone done this, and if so could you
>advise me what files need to be specific to that node?  The
>manual seems pretty clear on homogeneous clusters, but this
>is not my situation.

The reason it's not clear in the heterogeneous case is because there are
many differing levels of heterogeneity.  If you have a different UAF, but
you keep the usernames and UIC's the same as in your main sub-cluster,
and you still share the same VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA file, and you share
the same disk space, you can probably treat the cluster as homogeneous --
just don't run any of the MX processing agents (or at least not the Router
and Local delivery agents) on the heterogeneous node.

The easiest thing to do in the completely heterogeneous case (separate
UAF, separate VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA, different user base entirely) is
to install MX separately on the heterogeneous node, give it an "MX Cluster
Name" that is different from the main sub-cluster, and make sure it also has
a different "MX Network Host Name" from the main sub-cluster.

What you do for an in-between case will depend on how heterogeneous your
cluster is.

-Matt
--
Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com    | +1 408 427 4366
TGV, Inc.       | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA
From: whiskerp@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: ""Route too complex"" problem
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:18:13 GMT

As well as my VMSMail account on our MX node CONDOR::, I have both an 
All-in-1 and VMSMail account on our node LGMAN. The All-in-1 mailbox
<WHISKER@AM@LGMAN> is normally redirected to <WHISKER@MRGATE@LGMAN> which
is the VMSMail mailbox.

The problem occurs when I try to send an Internet message through MX to the
(redirected) All-in-1 address.

The address I use is  "whisker%lgman.a1"@logica.co.uk. This works fine and 
delivers mail to the All-in-1 mail account if it is NOT redirected, but if 
it is redirected, I get the following bounced message:
_______________________________________________________________________________

From:	MX%"'condor::mrgate::\'LGMAN::MRGATE\''@condor.logica.co.uk" 30-SEP-1992 11:57:16.31
To:	WHISKERP
CC:	
Subj:	Message Router VMSmail Gateway nondelivery notification

Return-Path: <"condor::mrgate::\"LGMAN::MRGATE\""@condor.logica.co.uk>
Received: by condor.logica.co.uk (MX V3.1C) id 1338; Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:57:06
          GMT
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:57:03 GMT
From: "condor::mrgate::\"LGMAN::MRGATE\""@condor.logica.co.uk
To: whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk
X-VMSmail-To: MX%"whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk"
Subject: Message Router VMSmail Gateway nondelivery notification


Delivery of this message through the Gateway had the following results:

	Invalid reply path generated - Route too complex
	    Unable to deliver to :  WHISKER

The original message follows:

From:	NAME: MX%"whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk" <MX%"whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk"@MRGATE@CONDOR>
Subject: mx%"whisker%lgman.a1@logica.co.uk"
To:	whisker@AM@lgman

Return-Path: <whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk>
Received: by condor.logica.co.uk (MX V3.1C) id 1336; Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:48:10
          GMT
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:48:08 GMT
From: Peter Whisker (WCt/1 ext 4408) <whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk>
To: whisker%lgman.a1@logica.co.uk
CC: whiskerp@condor.logica.co.uk
Subject: mx%"whisker%lgman.a1@logica.co.uk"

mx%"whisker%lgman.a1@logica.co.uk" is the address used



Date:	30-Sep-1992
Posted-date: 30-Sep-1992

VMSmail To information: MRGATE::"lgman::AM::whisker"

_______________________________________________________________________________

There seems to be some problem in generating a valid reply address.
Does anybody know what might be happening ????

Many thanks in advance !

-- 

Peter Whisker      | X400: <Peter Whisker@OR=LG@PRMD=LOGICA@ADMD=TMAILUK@C=GB>
Logica DCG Ltd.    | Internet: <whiskerp@logica.co.uk>
Cobham, Surrey, UK |
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
From: sleight@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Subject: Reply to an MX Message
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:03:15 EDT



I recently installed MX 3.1C on some of our VAXStations, using UCX as the
transport.  A few of my users have complained that people from some sites
trying to reply to their messages, sent out from here via MX, can't.  What
seems to happen is say a user has an address,  user@node.university.edu,
the reply-to that gets generated at other sites in some cases is just the
address user@node.  Is there something worng with my MX setup, or is this
a problem at the remote sites this occurs at?  Our machine that had UCX 2.0
SMTP did not generate these problems.  We have removed UCX 2.0 SMTP, due to the
numerous problems and bugs in it that were crashing our machines.


					-Jeff Sleight
					sleight@venus.ycc.yale.edu
From: madison@Drago.TGV.COM (Matt Madison)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: MX headers and mail logical names.
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:50:15 GMT
Reply-To: madison@tgv.com
Organization: The Foundation for Dinner Peas

In article <00961644.A73BCDE0.9163@swdev.si.com>, Brian Tillman writes:
>Now, I also have a logical name as follows:
>
>   "EWG" = "Jon,Jim,Kent,Paul" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)
>
>When I send mail
>
>To: EWG
>
>again, each person gets the mail and can reply, but cannot reply to all
>recipients.  The header looks like this:
>
>To: "Jon,Jim,Kent,Paul"@swdev.si.com

Because MX_MAILSHR isn't parsing that string "correctly" (i.e., the way
VMS Mail does).  If you defined EWG as

    $ DEFINE EWG "Jon","Jim","Kent","Paul"

you should get the correct results.  Looks like VMS Mail automatically
deals with the comma-separated list, whereas MX_MAILSHR does not.  Looks
like MX_MAILSHR needs some additional code to handle this.

-Matt
--
Matthew Madison | madison@tgv.com    | +1 408 427 4366
TGV, Inc.       | 603 Mission Street | Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Yet another mailing list wish list item.
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:58:24 EDT
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

I run a number of access controlled file servers.  Right now, the only
way I can get clients onto the access list is to enumerate all of them,
e.g.:

        a@foo.bar
        b@foo.bar
        ...

It would be way cool if it was possible to have an entry in a mailing
list that was an "authorization" entry and took wild cards, e.g.:

        *@foo.bar               Any client sending from foo.bar

there would probably be other useful combinations, but this is the one I
would have most user for.

Such entries would not enter into the normal mail distribution
associated with mailing lists.

Dick MUnroe
-- 
Dick Munroe				Internet: munroe@dmc.com
Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
Hudson, Ma.				FAX: (508) 562-1133

GET CONNECTED!!! Send mail to info@dmc.com to find out about DMConnection.
From: syssand@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU (John F. Sandhoff)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: Patch, what patch?
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:09:18 GMT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

>> We've got the mail patch installed so that you don't have to put the MX%
>> in front of the address.

> What patch is this?

From the comments:

! This patch will be of interest to any VAX/VMS system (more especially if it
! is running PMDF) since it lets TO: or CC: addresses such as
! user%machine@site.co.org to be accepted without the IN% prefix and without
! surrounding double quotes.  Yes, let's admit it, it lets VMS mail accept Un*x
! type addresses.

It was originally written by Claude Barbe. Rick Westerman updated it:

> This posting contains a patch to MAIL that elimiates the need to put a
> MX%" in front of a mail address. E.g, instead of 'MX%"user@site"', a person
> using mail can simply use 'user@site' for the mail address. This patch is
> not originally mine; I merely updated it for the MX mailer.

The downside is that addresses are UPCASED. This isn't supposed to cause
problems but sometimes it does (What if your U*ix machine has three logons:
JOHN, John and john? Yes, this is valid, though very, very unwise :-) ).
But problems are very rare I understand - in general, it works. NOTE: I
myself haven't installed it, though I've come very close on several occasions.

The patch is available via Anon-FTP to ftp.spc.edu, directory [.MX.CONTRIB],
file VMSMAIL_PATCH.TXT

    John F. Sandhoff, University Network Support
      California State University, Sacramento - USA
        sandhoff@csus.edu
From: "J.C. Higgins, Sys Mgr CsVax1, UCC , Eire" <chris@csvax1.ucc.ie>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: MX SITE, and performance problems
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:37:46 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

In a previous article, miklos@ub40.sztaki.hu wrote:
>Date: 25 Sep 92 17:05:18 GMT
>From: miklos@ub40.sztaki.hu
>Subject: MX SITE, and performance problems
>Reply-To: MX-List@WKUVX1.BITNET
>
> I use the MX SITE interface to a mail gateway to our home grown mailing
> system, named ELLA.
> [text deleted...]
>
> I think that the situation could be much better, if SITE_DELIVER.COM
> could get more addresses at once.
> I am afraid that more users will subscribe to more lists, and my
> system will not be able to keep up.
>
>  Any piece of advice is welcome.
>  Pasztor Miklos                    pasztor@hugbox.bitnet
>  MTA SZTAKI/ASZI
>  Institute for Computation and Automation
>  Hungarian Academy if Sciences, Budapest
>

I think that if you changed your approach to the problem, you might find an
easy solution. It is unlikely that you will find a program that will
directly solve your problem (as I understand it). What I would suggest
you do is the following.
Setup a bulletin board on your destination machine. So that the your users can
have any busy lists, or any popular lists fed into the bulletin board, rather
than having several copies delivered personally to your users.
That way, everyone can get at the information on the lists, and you only
have one copy of each message being delivered.

I've being doing this on this machine for quite a while. It cuts down on
bandwidth, and allows users to browse the messages at their ease, WITHOUT
using any of their diskquota. If they want any particular message, then
they just extract it from the bulletin board..

Hope this helps.


                                                  Chris.

+ J.C. Higgins, Sys Admin  +  If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't
+ CHRIS@csvax1.ucc.ie      +  come back to you, hunt it down and KILL it. If
+ SCCS6002@iruccvax.ucc.ie +  that doesn't work, then GIVE UP peacefully.
From: Shakil Khan <khan@QCVAXA.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Access Violation
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:32:59 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List


MCP> QUEUE SHOW/ALL

At the above command I get Access Violation and register dump. Is any one
else experiencing the same as well? I am running MX3.1c. Any pointers, work
around???
                                                        shakil
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: Re: Unexpected error message
Date: 3 Oct 1992 22:43:23 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct2.091518.9170@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>One of our users has been trying to send a mail message to vac+@cs.cmu.edu.
>We've got the mail patch installed so that you don't have to put the MX% in
>front of the address. The following error is produced:
>
>mail> send
>to: vac+@cs.cmu.edu
>
>no such user VAC
>error opening FS27:[DAVEH]CS.CMU as input - file not found
>no such user EDU
>
>
>Using MX%"vac+@cs.cmu.edu" seems to work, however. Can anybody explain the
>error messages?

Yes.  The CLI is parsing "+" as being equivalent to "," (try using a "+" in
most DCL commands).  So it's seeing the address as:
	vac,@cs.cmu.edu
So it tries the first user, and you get the message:
	no such user VAC
Now, the @ means it's supposed to look in a file.  I'd've expected it to claim
that "edu" is an invalid version number, but instead, it apparently treats
	cs.cmu.
as the filespec, with the trailing dot treated as a ";".  Trying an
@file.ext.whatever confirms that this is normal behavior for MAIL.  I assume
that your default directory at the time you issued the command was FS27:[DAVE],
so MAIL used FS27:[DAVE].DIS as the default filespec. After failing to open
that file, you get the message: 
	error opening FS27:[DAVEH]CS.CMU as input - file not found
Now it's still got one last user, "edu" to deal with, which generates the
message:
	no such user EDU
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.mx
Subject: RE: Entries with size 0 in MX queue
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 21:47:13 EDT
Organization: Mx-List<==>Vmsnet.Mail.Mx Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

daveh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>Does anybody know why we keep getting entries like the following in our MX
>message queue? They seem to go away eventually, but I would like to know what
>they are.
>
>Entry: 18523, Origin: [code=0]
>  Status: IN-PROGRESS, size: 0 bytes
>  Created:  1-OCT-1992 22:41:59.85, expires 31-OCT-1992 22:41:59.85
>  Last modified  1-OCT-1992 22:41:59.85
>    Recipient #1: <RNSPANE@ceride.bitnet>
>
[...]
These are left whenever a user aborts a message.  For example, if a
user enters an MX "To:" address, but then QUITs out of the editor or
types ^C to cancel the message, the 0-byte entry is left in the MX
queue.  The entries were made as soon as the "To:" address was
processed.  MX is not called again after the user cancels the message,
hence the left-over queue entry.  They go away when the expiration
date is reached or when you issue an MCP QUEUE CANCEL command.

Hunter
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Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251