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From: jost@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Jost Weinmiller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: RE:Swiss "luegen" = ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:31:55 GMT
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Originator: jost@oahu.cs.ucla.edu


>Er versucht, seinen Traum zu erkl"aren: `Es ist Kapita"nsschiff..'
>Dann wurde er gefragt, `Und du w"arsch d"ann de Kapit"an?'
>`Nein, jetzt m"uend d'L"ut s"alber f"ur sich luege.'

luege in scwitzerduetsch means to look as in 
"auf wiederluege" = auf wiedersehen
 the pronounciation is luage with both vowels spoken (at least close)

max frisch ment with that, that he will from now on not longer
watch the world for the people, they will have to look out
for themselves now.
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From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Wohlstand in Deutschland
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:19:27 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway


                               Die Welt
                        Montag, 6. April 1992

                             AUF EIN WORT

"Wie der Wohlstand erzeugt wird, beschaeftigt hierzulande nur wenige
Leute.  Dagegen machen sich ueber die Frage, wie der Wohlstand verteilt
wird, fast alle Gedanken." - Eberhard von Kuenheim, Vorstandsvorsitzender
                             der BMW AG, Muenchen
From: osg@aeglos.hanse.de (Oliver Giessler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Aeltere Banknoten
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:46:14 GMT
Reply-To: osg@aeglos.hanse.de (Oliver Giessler)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4



> Ja, die alten sind zur Zeit noch gueltig. Sie werden jedoch
> langsam aus dem Verkehr gezogen, um spaeter vollstaendig durch
> die neuen faelschungssicheren Scheine ersetzt zu werden.
> 
Lach, das mit dem faelschungssichereren Scheinen ist ja wohl nach hinten losgegangen.
Selten war soviel Falschgeld im Umlauf wie heute, insbesondere von den neuen
Noten. Dadurch das die noch nicht so bekannt und die neuen Farbkopierer sehr gut
sind, kann man mit wenig Aufwand gute Kopien erhalten, die in Laeden (insbesondere
wenn viel los ist) selten als Faelschungen erkannt werden. Mir waere es auch
beinahe passiert, dass ich eine Bluete angenommen haette. Das Papier war wirklich
sehr aehnlich. Also aufpassen, insbesondere wenn man nicht so haeufig mit
dem neuen Banknoten zu tun hat.

Oliver

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Oliver Giessler - Kulenwisch 12- W 2000 Hamburg 63 - Germany
Fax: +49 40 538 47 68   -  eMail: osg@aeglos.hanse.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: MUTLU@Zeus.unomaha.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ergebnisse und Eindruecke von den Landtagswahlen in BaWue und SgH
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:12:56 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Hallooo,
diese Diskussion um die Wahl zeigt mir das es in soc.culture.german,
auch Leutschen gibt die einigermassen intelligent argumentieren koenne.
"Naja, nicht alle sind beschraengt, genauso wie alle sind nicht Nazis"

Mir ist auch aufgefallen das Leben in diese gruppe gekommen ist, seit
einige "Fremde" in dieser gruppe mitmischen...

Gruss,
Mutlu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: tkunz@neumann.waterloo.edu (Thomas Kunz)
Subject: Re: State Church in Germany?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:26:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.173729.15390@mcs.anl.gov>, tim@spatial.uucp (Tim Eckert) writes:
> I heard a few days ago that the Lutheran church, or some denomination
> of Lutheran church, is the state church of Germany.  This really
> surprised me.  I thought Germany had the same policy, or close to the 
> same, as the US when it came to religion.  In other words, freedom of
> religion and no state religion.  Anyone know anything about this?
> 
> Tim Eckert
> 

In principle you're right: Germany has the same policy when it comes to
religion as the States or Canada: freedom or religion and no state religion.
But there are at least two different explanations for the (misleading)
statement about the Lutheran church:
a) Contrary to North America, the protestants in Germany are predominantly
   Lutheran and you have to look long and hard to find all the other 
   denominations (e.g.: Presbytarian, Baptists, Methodists, ......)
b) Contrary to North America (I believe) the German government, or better
   the IRS, collects a church tax for all registered faithful. That is,
   your employment record contains an entry stating your religion, and
   the personel office of your employer deducts the church tax (currently
   five percent of your income tax) from your payroll, paying it to the IRS.
   IRS then gives the money to the various religions/denominations. You can
   avoid paying this tax by declaring that you revoked your religion.
   I am not aware that the IRS is excluding any religion from this "service"
   (well, there are probably rules governing the whole process which likely
    exclude the Moonies etc.) so I don't think this arrangement favorises
   one religion enough to make it a state church.

- Thomas Kunz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI)
Subject: Re: ...To Let The Dirty Work Be Done By Others, 'Milanini.'
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:44:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Mr Mutlu, I am sure that the readers of soc.culture.greek are very
happy to read your 'timely informative' article. Like we say in
France, "Asses write their name everywhere".

In article <m0lY82W-0003RGC@ddsw1.mcs.com> han@sarp.utaaic.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>>If you want to do what you want with your arms, why don't you make them
>>yourselves ?
>
>Did you ever visit Turkiye at all?

Sorry. I should have known that your country is not "advanced"
enough to make arms (yes, I believe that making arms is not a proof
of advancement). My point was that you cannot expect to do what you
want with arms. Maybe you think otherwise ?

>[USSR destabilizing Turkiye deleted]

Fine. Since there is no longer any USSR, why do you need weapons then ?

>There is a difference between massacring 3000+ defenseless people and 
>cleaning up most of the PKK bases with Turkish made weapons.

I don't think that there is any difference. To me, you are
referring to the same event both times.

>>If it is so vital for you, why don't you convince someone else to
>>sell you arms ?
>
>Why bother? Germany's military aid totals DM 130 million.

Fine. Why do you complain then ? 

>>Probably, they prefer to have their hands dirty rather than bloody...
>
>Is that why six million people were killed in concentration camps,
>in gas chambers, in the worst ways imaginable? Some 'dirt.'

At least, Germany has paid for that. We are still waiting for
Turkiye to do the same.

>Hasan B-) Mutlu

-- 
=---K8>>@@@@@@@@ Marc Milanini @@@@ marcmil@microsoft.com @@@@%%
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ju8025@fasolt.albany.edu (Johannes Ullrich)
Subject: Re: State Church in Germany?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.173729.15390@mcs.anl.gov> tim@spatial.uucp (Tim Eckert) writes:
>I heard a few days ago that the Lutheran church, or some denomination
>of Lutheran church, is the state church of Germany.  This really
>surprised me.  I thought Germany had the same policy, or close to the 
>same, as the US when it came to religion.  In other words, freedom of
>religion and no state religion.  Anyone know anything about this?
>
>Tim Eckert

In germany there is no offical state church. But in opposit to other countrys
the state is collecting a "church tax". If you are member of a church you have
to pay this tax like any other tax according to your income. The state 
(Finanzamt = IRS) is than passing this money to the church (after deducting
a part for collecting the money).

I don't know much about details. I have heard about a cultural tax which you
have to pay if you are not a member of any church. But I don't know which
churches get money out of this tax.

Bye, Johannes.

Johannes Ullrich       |  Center for X-Ray Optics
Dept. of Physics       |  Phone: 518 - 442 - 4496
SUNY Albany N.Y.       |
From: volker@nsc.nsc.com (Volker Soffel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Fortune articles on European protectionist sentiment
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:54:08 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

>
>  after working here {Germany} i find that one can be just as productive with 5
>  weeks of holiday as 2 and be much more relaxed, without suffering
>  from the silicon valley burnout i got when i was there.
>
>  no, it's not the germans that need to wake up.  it's the americans
>  and the japanese that do.  one can see that happening in japan
>  now--people are actually starting to use their vacation time and
>  shorten the work week.
>
>Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
>Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team

I can second that, after moving over to Silican Valley, CA about 9 months
ago, I find that productivity here is less compared to Ge (btw, I still
work for the same company I used to work in Ge, so this is NOT a difference
in company cultures), eventhough people have only 2...3 weeks vacation
(compared to 7 weeks in Ge). People tend to stand around here much more
and do smalltalk and take it easy, whereas in Ge people used to really
work 8 hours a day and do their smalltalk in their freetime or lunch/coffee
breaks.  I believe a reason for that is just the fact that people only
have 2 weeks of vacation and are much more "burnt out" because of that.
So you tend to get some "additional" vacation during your work hours.
Imagine 2 weeks is really short, so most people do a real "action" vacation
during this 2 weeks (e.g. Europe in 2 weeks , see Rome, London, Paris,
Munich), they want to see things and do everything in a hurry because time
is precious. So after doing your 2 weeks "vaction" in this way, you really
NEED vacation to recover from your 2 weeks of high activity vacation.
The only problem: You don't have another 2 weeks, so.....
My believe is that the US productivity would actually increase if people
would get more vacation, but somehow company mangement doesn't seem to
realize this .


-- 
Volker Soffel			National Semiconductor Corporation
volker@nsc.nsc.com		Embedded Control Division Applications
(408) 721-4360			Santa Clara, CA95052
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel)
Subject: Re: Erdbeben
Organization: Public News & Mailserver, Commodore Germany PM UNIX, Frankfurt
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 08:11:08 GMT

dhey@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Dirk Heydtmann) writes:

>Es heisst, dass in der Nacht zum Montag (13.4.) ein mehr oder
>weniger schweres Erdbeben weite Teile Westdeutschlands und
>Hollands erschuettert habe. Den hier vorliegenden bruchstueck-
>haften Informationen zufolge war es das staerkste in der Region
>seit 17hundert-nochwas und hatte eine Staerke von 5.5 - 6.x
>auf der nach oben offenen Richterskala. Es heisst, es habe einen
>Toten und viele Verletzte gegeben.

Ja, korrekt. Eine aeltere Frau hat vor Schreck einen Herzschlag
erlitten. Das soll auch bei Fussballspielen passieren. Einige
Personen (ca. 30) sind durch herabfallende Ziegel verletzt worden.

>Hat jemand naehere Informationen zum Thema? Gab es grossen Sach-
>schaden? 

Ein paar Haeuser sind wohl unbewohnbar. Insgesamt werden die Schaeden
auf mehrere (wenige) Millionen DM geschaetzt.

> Gab es eine Panik?

Nein.

>Haben die Atomkraftwerke das Erdbeben unbeschadet ueberstanden?

Die Betrieber sagen ja. In Bibls, das sind ca. 300 km vom Epizentrum,
hat in einem Block ein Sensor angeschlagen und den Reaktor automatisch
abgeschaltet. Es wird behauptet, dass nirgendwo Schaeden aufgetreten
seien.

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to  \\  Only my personal opinions... 
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
                                   or  peterk@public.sub.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: dzabel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Dirk Zabel)
Subject: Re: State Church in Germany?
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.173729.15390@mcs.anl.gov> tim@spatial.uucp (Tim Eckert) writes:

>I heard a few days ago that the Lutheran church, or some denomination
>of Lutheran church, is the state church of Germany.  This really
>surprised me.  I thought Germany had the same policy, or close to the 
>same, as the US when it came to religion.  In other words, freedom of
>religion and no state religion.  Anyone know anything about this?

There is NO state religion in germany!!

We have in fact the `Kirchensteuer' (church taxes); that is if you are
member of a church, you have to pay an additional tax (I think 10% of
the tax you would have to pay anyway, but don't nail me down on this!)
which the state hands over to your church. Every once a while there is
a discussion here whether this is compatible with our contitutional
separation of church and state. The only way to avoid this tax is to
leave the church.  Consequently there are a lot of people who leave
the church; especially in east germany where of course no church taxes
existed before the unification.

-- Dirk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: terryr@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX557 Terry Ridder)
Subject: Request EMAIL ADDRESS AKH Wien
Organization: Blue Danube Software
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:49:02 GMT
Keywords:  AKH, WIEN



Request:

Does Allgemeine Krankenhaus Der Stadt Wien (AKH) 
have an electronic mail address?


Terry
-- 
Terry L. Ridder
Blue Danube Software, De Kalb, Illinois, USA 60115
Blauen Donau Software, Kals, Ost Tirol, Oesterreich
From: flegel@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Willy Flegel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Swiss "luegen" = ?
Summary: "luegen" = schauen/sorgen???
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:59:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr15.033541.12972@news.iastate.edu> david@iastate.edu (David M. Martin Jr.) writes:
>Wie soll ich "luege" im folgenden Text verstehen?
>`Nein, jetzt m"uend d'L"ut s"alber f"ur sich luege.'
>Lenken?  L"ugen?  Ich weiss es nicht.

Kann es sein, dass folgendes gemeint ist:
'Nein, jetzt muessen die Leute sich selber umschauen.'
im Sinne von: 'muessen die Leute um sich selber sorgen.'
Vielleicht ist tatsaechlich "luegen" gemeint, "lenken" kommt
wohl nicht in betracht. Wenn keiner eine genaue Antwort weiss,
sollten man diesen Satz besser im Zusammenhang interpretieren.

Obwohl die Schweizer enormen Wert auf die Eigenstaendigkeit
"ihres" 'Schwizer-Duetsch' legen, gibt es soweit ich weiss - wie
bei anderen Dialekten auch - keine einheitliche Schriftform.
Deswegen ist die Niederschrift - und somit die Interpretation -
eines mundartlichen Ausspruch immer etwas willkuerlich.

Weiss jemand, ob es etwa doch ein Woerterbuch fuer den Schweizer
Dialekt des Deutschen gibt. Den Schweizern koennte man es zu-
trauen.

Gruss ans Net. Willy


Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Re: German Blood
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:20:10 GMT

One does not quite get a German passport "on demand". You have to 
have (at least) the following:

- have lived in Germany legally for at least 10 years (5 if you are
married to a German)
- have a "Fuehrungszeugnis" in good order (there's a limit to the
amount of fines and jail time you are allowed to have, you have to be 
"unbescholten" in your "Lebenswandel")
- have a place to live
- be able to feed your family (i.e. have a job and not live on
public assistance)
- have to show a "freiwillige und dauernde Hinwendung zu Deutschland",
to know about the German govermnent and to pledge oneself on the basis
of the free and democratic basic order
- speak and write German well enough
- not be addicted to alcohol or drugs
- petition the parliament to become a citizen - this costs up to
5000 DM (2500 DM if married to a German citizen)
- revoke all previous citizenships.

The last one is the killer - if you want a German passport, you must
revoke all others, if your German parents give birth to you in
the USA you have the American and the German citizenship, no problem.

You do not have the right to become a citizen, it is a privili
that is conveyed at the whim of the civil servant in your township.
Some states are lenient (especially when it comes to politically
active persons), some are very strict.

It's so crazy, I'm sure there wouldn't be so many problems between
Germans and Auslaender if it was easier to get German citizenship,
especially for the children of "Guest workers" that were born here.
-- 
Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))
From: lichtenb@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Bernd Lichtenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: State Church in Germany?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:26:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr15.173729.15390@mcs.anl.gov> tim@spatial.uucp (Tim Eckert) writes:
>I heard a few days ago that the Lutheran church, or some denomination
>of Lutheran church, is the state church of Germany.  This really
>surprised me.  I thought Germany had the same policy, or close to the 
>same, as the US when it came to religion.  In other words, freedom of
>religion and no state religion.  Anyone know anything about this?
>
>Tim Eckert

I think a lot of the confusion comes from the word "evangelische
Landeskirche". I don`t know about Northern germany, but in the south
either one protestant denomination or several different ones are
united together in what is called "Landeskirche". It is hard to translate
this word exactly, but I could imagine somebody used `state church`.
Actually it doesn`t have anything to do with the state or government!

		Bernd Lichtenberg
		Purdue University
From: thomas@aic.co.jp (Thomas Johannsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German Taxes  Was:German Blood
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:23:18 GMT
	<cdtauie00WBN47mh5A@andrew.cmu.edu> <N401QOH@math.fu-berlin.de>
	<1992Apr14.115821.3917@ecl.psu.edu>
Organization: Advanced Intelligent Communication Systems Lab.,Sendai,Japan
In-reply-to: clf@ecl.psu.edu's message of 14 Apr 92 15:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.115821.3917@ecl.psu.edu> clf@ecl.psu.edu writes:


  >> [..Deborah's part erased..]
  >
  >	 How much are German taxes?  Are there "state" taxes as well (like in
  >the United States)?  Does the German tax system allow deductions or is it
  >a simple straight percentage?
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Far from that! I guess it's one of the most complicated tax systems in the world (I may be
wrong, but it is difficult enough).

Simplified it looks like this: You have to pay a certain percentage, depending of the total
amount (the more you earn the higher the percentage) and your familiy background (single 
/ married / how many children). OK, that's not so complicated. 

But there are a lot of deduction possibilities which *you* have to know and to apply for. 
That's why it takes a lot of time (and you'd better take a tax adviser) to write the annual 
"Einkommenssteuererklaerung". Processing of these papers requires several months and finally 
you might get some money back.

Perhaps someone studying law can enlight it more?


  >Christopher SS Frame    CLF@ECL.PSU.EDU

Thomas
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 18:07:40 MES
From: Ruediger Gaensfuss <FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: State Church in Germany?
 <1992Apr15.232625.25617@watmath.waterloo.edu>
 <1992Apr16.162628.11364@noao.edu> <1992Apr16.222951.11766@spectrum.xerox.com>

In article <1992Apr16.222951.11766@spectrum.xerox.com>,
eschbach@abc.wrc.xerox.com (Reiner Eschbach) says:
>In article <1992Apr16.162628.11364@noao.edu> muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
>writes:
>>This is not quite true. The state only collect taxes for the Catholics
>>and Protestants.
>A recent Spiegel article about the Kirchensteuer says that the three major
>religions use the path of Government collection.
Three? Or two?

Ruediger Gaensfuss (FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET) University of Muenster, Germany
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: wirth@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Jesse Wirth)
Subject: Test
Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:37:07 GMT
From: green@fylz.wa.com (Washington Green)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Email address for Greens in Germany
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:38:34 GMT
Organization: Washington Green -- State Newsletter of the Greens


Could someone provide an email address for the Green Party
in Germany?  The publication of the Green Party of Washington
State would like to establish email contact.

Thanks. 
-- 
Washington GREEN -- the newsletter of the Washington State Greens
8315 Lake City Way #207, Seattle, WA 98115  -- (206)526-2919 x28
From: u4365637@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Request from Australia!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:47:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Hello to any readers in the FDR,

My name is Luigi BONADIO from the University of Melbourne, Australia
and am a post-graduate student in the department of Mechanical engineering.
My current study focuses on the storage of hydrogen in the metal-hydride
form. At the moment I am developing a model for the mass and heat transfer 
processes that dictate the system kinetics of the hydride reaction.

If you are interested in gaining a correspondence with me or wish to discuss
a particular aspect of my study I am more than welcome to receive your 
messages.

However, I am more interested in gaining the current e-mail address of :

	Institut fur Kernenergetik und Energiesysteme,
	Universitat Stuttgart,
	Pfaffenwaldring 31,
	7000, Stuttgart 80,
	F.R.G.

and	
	Mr. Da-wen Sun

in particular who was there as of 1990.

Please send replies at my personal e-mail address which is:

U4365637@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

Thank you for your cooperation - it is much appreciated.

Luigi Bonadio