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From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: astralsex
Keywords: intra/inter mess
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:53:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was talking with an acquaintance about a radio talk show 
we heard a few weeks ago,,  one of the topics was concerning 
occultism.. and aids.  The idea was,  that  as aids spreads, people
will probably repress their desire (esp. with 'just say no' type
solutions), .. desire is like water, difficult to compress for most
people, and the energy will likely displace itself in another
vehicle.. the result will be an increase in astral sex. The 
interesting part  of the theory is that most people dont have
much esoteric/occult training, if any/ ( maybe some exposure
to time life brochures or something similar)   and wont be
able to tell a demon from a dead person, or a decaying shell
from their next door neighbor, etc.. they will just think
,, hey! this is great! try this!.. ( you know, the confidence of
ignorance taken over the mind.) well,,, 
consider social ramifications of this type of potential  activity
,, that is, if you believe that there are entities which are keen
to an organism's panic/turmoil/energy load, and are ready  to 
take advantage of someone naieve and with a 'full tank'.
result for the human psyche in the great silent majority?
increase in violence? madness? possession? just overall
strangeness? mutations on the spritual plane? new blendings
of intellect, human and otherwise? learning the hard way?
 new gods? good and bad?
any speculations on this??  (disclaimer, I typed this fast
and I know the grammer is probably full of kinks; just
wanted to get the idea displayed mainly.)  MSB
From: thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Please Help
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 11:52:07 CDT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

 many stupid and irelevant questions and many good witty avswers deleted:
 

> 
> A note of caution to you, whoever you are. There was recently a questionaire
> posted here that caused quite a furor. The flames and repsonses wasted alot
> of bandwidth, and lasted far too long. You should have prefaced this with
> an explanation of who you are and why you're posting this. See all of my
> questions above. I can pretty much guarantee that you're going to get some
> facetious, specious, and down right rude answers to this. If you cannot or
> will not answer my opening questions, you can rest assured that noone here
> will take you seriously, and that some will see you as fomenting some sort
> of Christian conspiracy to seek out and destroy the lives of people who
> participate in this forum.
> 
> Bb,
> 
> Corun

here, here. good show ole chap (or lass)
anything i may say is my own thoughts and words and should not be misconstrued
as the oppinions of eagles reaches, the ring of troth, the faith known as 
asatru, or that of anyone living, dead, or stuck in limbo. this has been added
for the benifit of the wolfes of the field.

well met and wassail
thomas of house hoffman

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From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Samhain
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:45:19 PDT

Re: Samhain
By: lrabe #0 @magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) USEnet      

Does anyone around here know about San Francisco Bay Area (specifically,
Central Contra Costa Co., Berkeley, Oakland, San Francisco activites
celebrating Samhain?

Blessings
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: st1rk@jane.uh.edu (Maxwell, Darin)
Subject: Re: Birth Data (Was Re: a nice experience)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:57:00 GMT

In article <1bc2qfINN4cr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.) writes...
> 
>In a previous article, acarr@pell2l15.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr) says:
>>
>>Since sending in birth data seems to be a way of making an offering of  
>>self, I include mine:

>>Blessings,
>>Amelia
> 
>I just joined this thread so I don't know what is going on, but I thought 
>I would post my info.  All I know is that I am Virgo, I was born on a Friday,
> 
>*Paul

I also am new. As a means of entering the fray, here is my data. Yes,
it is Christmas. Make of it what you will.

December 25, 1970 
11:36 p.m. Houston,Tx
Capricorn

P.S. All you people in Brewer's BBS, recognize the name from SCA?
     Tall man often seen in company of Colin.

-- Darin Maxwell
   (Giordano) 
                  st1rk@jetson.uh.edu
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Georgie channeling
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:35:02 PDT

Re: Georgie channeling?
By: markbr #0 @radian.uucp (markbr) USEnet      
 
> Hey! I just heard the news this morning, and I realized that Georgie Bush
> is now into psychic stuff: he must be channeling - and his spirit guide is
> (pause one beat) Joe McCarthy
> ("I don't believe you can be a real American if you don't
> believe in God" - George Bush)

Actually, I was thinking about either Hitler or Goebbels.
Blessings
A.Lizard
                                                 A.Lizard
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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth data (was Re: a nice experience...)
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:37:31 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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For those collecting this information:

	G.Wolfe Woodbury
	17 July 1953 10:30pm EDT
	Philadelphia PA  USA

					Wolfe
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    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Libertarians, guns, etc.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:58:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Oh, I don't know. I was rather having fun watching Corun poke holes in
every square inch of Anwyn's argument. I never belonged to a debate club,
but I was going by the rules of an extemporaneous speaking Forensics contest,
and Corun was definitely way out in front.

Still, you're right. It only lasts so long, and then it gets annoying.
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 17 Oct 92 14:32:25 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <10678@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord) writes:
> 
>   Israel no longer uses women as front line troops ( not alongside men anyway ).
> This is not due to any lack of nerve on the part of the women.  What happened
> was that when a man was injured, both sexes could carry on with their job.  
> If, however, a woman was injured the women got on with the job whilst the men
> paid attention to her.  Seems men are more squeamish than women.
> : 	


I have a theory.

		Women were banned from war because they took it to seriously.
		took to logically killing the enemy.
		Their attitude - enemy is a threat to me and mine.

		Men objected 'cause it was all so nasty.
		Their attitude - War is glorious and grand. 
					Women are spoilsports.


			

					-Matthew (Of course - I could be wrong)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe)
Subject: Samhain
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:36:59 GMT

So what is everyone planning for Samhain?

A
Very 
Curious

TopCat
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:21:58 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:

> Actually, going along with what Gil said above, I would like to suggest that
> what was being suggested, with the idea of a "tested philosophy", is one
> that a) does not conjure up an immediate, knee-jerk reaction of bullshit, or
> airhead, and b) gives some coherency to how we relate to each other. Sort of

Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant when I talked about a rigorous,
tested philosophy.... ;-)

Noot everyone needs the philosophy, and not everyone needs an intense 
paganism and ecstatic experiences, but if this diverse community doesn't 
keep up a certain level of philosophy and initiation, then 'pagan-ism' is 
gooing to be pulled towards the lowest common denominator.

Memetic entropy. 

> 
> What I'm saying goes along with the post I made last month, of finding ways
> to work together, and agree to differ on the rest. Along the lines of saying
> "we all follow the Western Pagan tradition (or fill in a word for that phrase
> and one sub-branch is Wicca, and another are the Druids, and there are
> unaffiliated, etc."
> 

An interesting idea, but ambitiously difficult, and fraught with dangers.

Of course, at some point, some pagan genius will undoubtedly accomplish 
such a patterning, expressing it in words and ideas so perfectly just and 
obviously fair that they are self-convincing. Eh?

Later, Bill
From: loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Fighting to survive (was Re: Only Witches Reincarnated?)
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:10:46 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <PZc0RB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us > wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman) writes:
 >You know, this reminds me of Gurdjieffs teaching that there is no 
 >immortal soul, only the possibility of an immortal soul which can be 
 >developed through esoteric work. What Kelly says sounds a lot like a 
 >paraphrasing of Gurdjieff, which is of course possible given the time 
 >line.
 >
 >I think it has some interesting possibilities as a facet of a pagan 
 >philosophy of death. Seems a little self-aggrandizing, though, doesn't 
 >it? 

	This clicks in with an idea I had that survival of death is NOT
automatic, it depends on development and strengthening of the personality,
through, for example, hardship, meditation, mental or physcal efforts, etc.
It would seem to follow that those who have an easy life, and don't try to
extend their potential, would not survive.

	Counterexample might be evidence of survival of a small child
(but maybe children have a dispensation till say puberty?)
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re:  Bewitched returns! (shudder)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:07:57 GMT

In article <larne.03da@canetoad.UUCP> larne@canetoad.UUCP (Larne Pekowsky) writes:
>In article <2ADB024E.1391@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>>I can vaguely recall an episode of Night Court where Harry got involved
>>with a Witch (don't know if she was Wiccan or not), and she was quite
>>nice.  I think he met her on a talk show.
>[...]
>>Witch; it's not what I do, it's what I *am*."  I recall it being quite
>>good.
>
>FYI, the actress who played the Witch was 1) Wiccan and 2) Harry Anderson's
>wife.  Either she or he also wrote the episode.  (This from an issue of
>TV guide that came out at the time).

This, for some reason, elicited a nice, big smile from me upon reading
it.  If there are Pagans and Witches in the industry, and we're growing,
as all reports have it, maybe we'll start seeing some normal portrayals
in the media.

HOWever, I'm not holding my breath.

Blessings,
Janis 

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Youthful experiences
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:26:27 GMT

In article <scotts.001a@meltdown.chi.il.us> scotts@meltdown.chi.il.us (Scott Szakonyi) writes:
>I would concur ... I suspect we may eventually realized that fascination with
>the paranormal or occult is a normal response to stresses which one cannot
>respond to physically.  Humans are amazingly adaptive; it would not suprise me
>to find that occult skill is an adaptation for survival which is triggered by a
>traumatic childhood.  I am quite sure it is so in my case.
>
>Freya's blessings, Hawkmoon

I would propose, instead, that it is like just about any other skill
(especially "survival skills") that people have the potential to learn...
A VERY large number of factors can contribute to developing them.
Occult skills may be brought out more readily in individuals with
traumatic childhoods (though I would be in no position to answer that
for sure one way or the other) just like math skills are better with
supportive parents who have a backgroung in math...  Maybe it's
because guardian spirits are more reachable to people who need them
more, maybe it's part genetics,  etc....

While personal anecdotes can't well be used to draw general conclusions,
I come from a _very_ non-traumatic childhood with many supportive
people, almost always "fit in" with friends, and was very happily
practicing Catholicism...  (in fact, I still attend that amazing 
1 hr/week Ritual Magickal Ceremony)...  (But on Full/New moons,
Sabbats, etc..., I practice other magickal rituals.)
Occultism may be related to traumatic childhood experiences, but
it is not necessarily causal in that order, and it is not true in
every case.  

Just my $.02.


Blessed be.
Angela
From: pierson@mpsg.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Binding or Protective Spells
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:12:39 GMT
	<RCORMAC.92Oct6214431@colossus.cs.oberlin.edu>
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <RCORMAC.92Oct6214431@colossus.cs.oberlin.edu> rcormac@colossus.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell) writes:

   Well, I guess another suggestion is in order since the implication is
   that you are fearing physical actions... In that case maybe your
   friend should take up a martial art

Really hate to jump into my first alt.pagan argument this way, but
this sounds like a really BAD idea in the circumstances as described.

First, it takes a long time (years) to gain sufficient proficiency in
a martial art to rely on on it for physical defense in dangerous
situations; the friend clearly doesn't have this time and probably
doesn't have the long term motivation (or he/she'd already be a
student).

Second, a unbalanced harasser is all too likely to attack with
surprise and weapons, likely firearms, a little martial arts training
won't do much good in this case.

                       It may help your friend gain a little more
   confidence in dealing with this person and will give them some tools
   for defending themselves should this person attempt to inflict bodily
   harm.

Yes, added confidence may well help someone deal with sort of problem
in a realistic and effective manner.  However, overconfidence may lead
them into worse trouble.  

Blessings,

        dan
--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:17:26 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <5405@gold.gvg.tek.com> conib@peri.gvg.tek.com writes:

 > Gil -- what's that big Australian rock-mountain, sorta brick-colored,
 > called?  It's fantastic.  I can just *feel* the wonderful majesty and
 > nurturing power coming from just a video tape of it!

That place white people used to call Ayres Rock, which the Aboriginal
people call Uluru. Nobody calls it Ayres Rock any more.

That place is *ULURU*.

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin)
Subject: dark and light
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:45:17 GMT

some of paul harvey et al's postings a short time back reminded me of the
ursula k. leguin poem, something like (from memory): "bright the hawk's flight
on the empty sky."  ah yes! now it comes back:
"only in dying, life,
only in darkness, light;
bright the hawk's flight
on the empty sky."

simple. evocative.  imho.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: SEXY PSYCHIC PLANTS
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.185024.1745@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes in part:
|>           Footnote: Chapter 17 is about BIOLOGICAL TRANSMUTATIONS.
|>                     Chapters 19 and 20 are about RADIONICS/PSIONICS.
|>                     Entire book is FASCINATING!
Entire book is fantasy?
From: law10@po.CWRU.Edu (Lorrie A. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: I feel lousy about the shells now . . .
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:48:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


	Well, I'd offer to send you a shell scooped from the beaches of 
Beautiful Lake Erie (tm), but since the Zebra Mussles invaded, that's all we
have here.  But I can send you a TON of those (prolific little invertebrates!)
	And NE Ohio has lots of vunderbar minerals -- if you want to build a
building, we've got Berea sandstone (I know, I know, it's mined), the topsoil
is very clayey and I've been told there's ground-level deposits.  Walking down
the shore of selfsame lake (after you get past them durned invading mussels
from the former east bloc) you can find granite pebbles in the sand.  Now a
quick geologic check tells you they's immigrants -- came from the Laurentian
Shield and other like places up in Canada.  Longtime residents, though -- been
here since the glaciers dug the Great Lakes out of the ground o so many years
ago.  Now they're nice smooth pink pebbles with flecks of clear quartz, black
something-or-other, and whatnot.
	And then there's shale.  The rock so soft that, when found wet as part
of a stream bed, you can break between two fingers.  But it's the bedrock for
all of this part of Ohio.

	Care for some granite, Janis?  I'll wander fdown a beach until I find
one that looks like a pink chocolate-chipp cookie!  8-)

BB, and Read Yo Later . . .

-- 
"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in
some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense,
false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in
some sense." -- _Principia_Discordia_ -- the Book of the Church of Eris (Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Beth Lung)
Subject: Re: Birth Data (Was Re: a nice experience)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:38:00 GMT

Wow. It's been a long time since I've even gotten a chance to read
alt.pagan, let alone reply to anything (not that I did often -smile-)
so I guess I'll include my b-day data as a i'm peeking around here
again notice. -smile-

I was born on a holiday of sorts...that is if you are catholic it
is...
Ash Wednesday
February 19, 1969
Kalamazoo, Michigain, USA   <-get the feeling I know a lot of
				non-yankies? ;)
9:42a

That makes me a aquarian/piecian (sp!) depending upon who you talk to
or what book you read. I've been told it's a definate on both sides,
so I'm still at a loss. (Could someone set me straight? Or am I doomed
to live life standing on both sides of the line? -smile-)

blessings,
Beth

-- 
                  Beth Lung           elung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

  How far must suffering and misery go before we see that even in the day of
  vast cities and powerful machines, the good earth is our mother and that if
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ultra-Violet Bluesman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:14:18 GMT
Organization: UB

stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>,
>boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:


>I heard on National Public Radio about a sect in Korea that believes
>that the world will end in October.  Some feel that it will be the
>10th, others feel the 28th.  According to NPR there are only a few
>thousand of these believers.  Some are also going on crash diets so
>that they will be lighter and will be lifted up to heaven more easily.

I got this nice flyer with all sorts of bible thumping quotes on the 
subject...I believe it is to occour at 8:pm...although in what time zone
they were not too specific :)

It said that the end wasn't on the 28th...just the good christians were
to be lifted up to heaven...the rest of us were to wear upc symbols
on our foreheads during the seven year reign of the antichrist...
During that time...PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!!!

>Better have those halloween parties a few days early.

Damn...and it is just before my birthday too!


  -Padriag

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From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:13:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

You might check out "Women at War: A Deadly Species" (think that's
right).  I forget the author's name.  The publisher is Paladin Press.
Much of their stuff is obnoxious, but they do have some gems.

Please ask if you need more info; the book's at home.

                                            dan
--
Dan L. Pierson          Digital Equipment Corporation
pierson@crl.dec.com     Massively Parallel Systems Group
From: jma@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:41:20 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

If anyone is keeping track, I'm an {E/I}NTJ on the MB test.  And I'll
write some source this weekend (the 72 question version I have) and
post a message with an FTP site for the source code so everyone can
take the test.
-- 
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 _ //   Where:  jma@cis.ufl.edu    -or-    jadams@coral.senod.uwf.edu
 \X/    Why:    Lead us not into tempation - we'll find it ourselves!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage