From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
Subject: Re: Armageddon NOW!
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:59:06 GMT
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In article <1992Apr10.143319.13944@ericsson.se> etxtdi@diana4.ericsson.se (Tord Ivarsson TM/JLE 95406) writes:
                         [...]
> It seems that pre-millianism (belief that the arrival of Jesus is
>after the millenium) is connected with the view that the Jews 
>(the physical decendandts of Abraham) are today excluded from
>any kind of covenant with G-d.

This is one of the craziest things I've heard yet in this
newsgroup.  Where did you get this idea?  Can you name one
premillenialist who has suggested such a thing?

>              ...           It further seems that while the
>Jews on there side surely believe in their covenant with G-d
>of old, this has been the ground for tensions between these two
>groups.

Most Jews who are cognizant of the differences recognise that
Christians who hold to a literal (as opposed to allegorical)
approach to scripture (ie premillenialists) support the nation of
Israel.

I grew up in a different church (from the one I attend now) which
was militantly postmillenial and I know for a fact that the open
attitudes of most of those people, both toward the nation of
Israel and toward Jews in general, was one of deep suspicion and
distrust, as well as anger that anyone might think that God still
had a purpose for keeping them around.  Such an attitude is
totally untenable for a premillenialist.

As to whether other groups of post-mils have the same attitudes, I
do not know the answer, since I have not rubbed shoulders with
many people of that persuasion lately.  But those of us who expect
every prophecy to be fulfilled exactly as God stated it are not
upset about the existence of the state of Israel.  We expected
this all along.  We know that those who are attacking Israel are
attempting to stop God's plan due to their hard hearts.

Finally, you are sadly mistaken (sadly because so many people are
full of hatred against the Jews) if you think that only the
so-called "Christian nations" have expressed aggressive
antisemitism.

Pre-millenialists believe that Satan, the god of this world, hates
Israel passionately because God loves Israel.  Therefore the
nations hate Israel (they hate whoever their god hates).  The
Soviet Union (hardly a Christian nation), the Islamic nations, the
pre-Christian Roman Empire, the historical Persia, Assyria, Egypt,
all attacked and oppressed and enslaved and murdered Jews (except
for brief periods when God intervened and placed someone into
power who favored the Jews).

The fact that all of the so-called "Christian nations" also
practiced antisemitism as official national policy is only proof
that they were not Christian nations at all.  "By their fruits you
shall know them."  Hatred and oppression is an open demonstration
that one does not know God at all.

God's record is clean with regard to His promises.  Jesus
fulfilled the first coming prophecies literally.  He will fulfill
those that remain in the same manner that he did those first
prophecies - literally.  Whenever theology refutes the idea that
God will fulfill his promises exactly, then guess what?  That
theology is mistaken.

He was born in literal Bethlehem, just as the prophet said.  He
will return to literal Jerusalem, just as the prophet said.  And
so on ...
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