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From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Phobia/Alcohol info needed!
Date: 28 Sep 1992 19:14:19 GMT
Organization: x
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>>>>> This is a made up fact pattern, so don't worry about helping a
>>>>> murderer get back out on the street.
>>>> 
>>>> Should we not worry about helping a future lawyer practice the
>>>> art of getting murderers back out on the street?

Based on your response I think you may have misread the tone of my
original reply to your message.  I apologize for not communicating
well enough.  The tone of my original response was not intended as
chastisement.  I'll explain my point better, not intended as debate,
which you didn't come here for, but just for the record.  It even
mildly relates to psychology, since we're talking about people's
motivations and behavior.

I don't believe that the question of the client's guilt is connected
with the question of whether his rights were violated.  As I realized,
and you pointed out, some people have biases that would cause their
perception of guilt to interfere with their motivation or ability to
help accurately determine whether rights were violated.

For those people who separate the two questions, your disclaimer
isn't needed, because it's not relevant to them.  I assume you
were therefore addressing the others.  For those others:

It seemed to me that if an individual had a moral or ethical
objection to helping a murderer get back out on the street, and he
thought things through, then it would also be reasonable to assume
that he might not want to help other people learn how to help
murderers get back out on the street.  In other words, if that
individual *consistently* holds his bias, and thinks about the
possible future consequences of helping someone to learn that
skill, it seems to me that he might not want to provide that help.

On the other hand, many people don't think through the consequences
of their actions, and might not notice indirectly helping some
murderer in the future, while they *would* notice directly helping
one in the present.  Some of those people might choose different
courses of action if they were to become aware of that indirect-help
possibility.

The core of the meaning of the question in my two-line message was
to illuminate that possibility.  Everyone was free to evaluate it
for himself.  I made no judgement.

>Now, can we drop this flame fest?

I do not believe that my two-line message constituted a flame.  Your
response to it did.  Please consider reviewing the posting sequence
and deciding for yourself whence the first flame flew.

Dave
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                     Vote for *anybody* but Quayle!
From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: NLP and what the .... are we talking about???
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:34:15 GMT
	<1992Sep29.005236.19186@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
	<1992Sep30.155604.144713@ua1ix.ua.edu> <1992Oct2.203603.22934@kbsw1>
Organization: Applications Software II, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: chris@kbsw1's message of 2 Oct 92 20:36:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.203603.22934@kbsw1> chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044) writes:

   Elizabeth, do you have some examples of physics "that we just have
   to take on faith"? If a physics thought doesn't have a testable
   component it gets labeled a "speculation" and not a theory.

This is no defense of Elizabeth, but I did want to focus a moment on the
'sci' of this newsgroup's name.

I think the best comment on this comes from Karl Popper's "Conjectures
and Refutations", IMHO required reading for anyone attempting science.
Popper makes the very clear comparison of Einstein's Relativity as a
theory with Freud and Adler: the measure of a good theory is not so much
its explanatory power, as Popper observed a main cause of self-deception
is from only looking for _verification_ of a theory (the NLP thread could
maybe take a cue here ;-) --- the measure of a good theory is the number
of testable conditions the theory _forbids_.  Popper observed that given
an arbitrary human story (a man jumps in the water to save a drowning
boy), his Freudian collegue had a complete explanation to account for
the facts, as did his Adlerian collegue, but neither could propose a
deciding test, nor could they conceive of a gedanken experiment which
would lay their theory to rest!  The falsification of a cherished theory
is the very essence of science.


--
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Re: reliability via e-mail
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:42:43 GMT

bjm@altair.csustan.edu (Barb Moose) writes:
>I am getting ready to crank up the old research, and am wondering if
>anyone out there has any information on reliability of data obtained
>via e-mail.

Reliability?  The word reliability has a specific technical meaning in
psychology.  You might need to rephrase your question, since the answer
to your question as posed is:

E-mail is a superior method of collecting data when wishing to optimize
reliability.  The computer as a method of data collection is much more
reliabile than human coders.

I doubt that the above two sentences answered your (unasked) question
though.

Frank Fujita
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: looking for an on-line psychological abstracts database
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:23:28 GMT

kishon-amir@CS.YALE.EDU (amir kishon) writes:

> 
> For my wife's Ph.D. research I am looking for an on-line psychological
> abstracts database that can be accessed via the net. Any information
> will be much appreciated.
> 
> Amir Kishon

Every week or so someone asks this question, but it is never
responded to.

Probably sci.psychology needs a FAQ file, but in the meantime, I'd
like to see someone answer that post and tell what's available
free on the net.

--
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: raravena@dcc.uchile.cl (Ricardo Francisco Aravena Duarte)
Subject: Re: to kill a virtual god
Originator: raravena@dcc.uchile.cl
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:34:03 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

In article <1992Sep28.133402.8433@edinboro.edu> g580785c@edinboro.edu writes:
>Tell me more.

 Be carefull to kill a real god.

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: NLP and what the .... are we talking about???
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:41:02 GMT

Elizabeth Lane writes:
> There are things in physics that we must take "on faith,"
> because there is no way to "prove" the theory.

As is customary with these kinds of statements, neither
the teller nor the listener understands the physics
referred to.  Yet it is used as an example and usually
accepted as a valid one.  Perhaps to some it then appears
to support the conclusion that science needs revising,
if the physicists themselves are changing their ways.

It's said that the scientists who read Kapra knew the
science was pretty poor but thought the Zen was real neat.
And the Zen folks knew the Zen was pretty poor but
thought the science was real neat.

So a suggestion: skip the authoritative sounding physics.
Either find an example we can understand or make your
point without.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: NLP and what the .... are we talking about???
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:32:17 GMT
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation

In article <146@steiny.com> steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
>ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini) writes:
>
>>>|> Rule #1 in NLP is that nothing is true or real.  
>>>|> 
>
>>	I don't claim to subscribe to any of the above, I let you
>>	decide which one.  What I do subscribe to is results.  
>>	"What is true or real to YOU may not be what is true or real
>>	 to ME."
>>	I hope this clarifies that statement, I welcome comments.
>>	Have a great day!
>
>	How is NLP supposed to help communication if it denies the existance
>of shared experience?  It seems that it would preclude the possiblity
>of communication rather than enhance it.
>

	Hi don,

	You already know that NLP doesn't deny the existence of
	shared experience.  And you should know, based on your
	extensive experience with NLP, that NLP is about how to
	share experiences, in part.  Much of NLP is about creating
	or recreating experiences within yourself using your thoughts
	and physiology.  It also provides theories on how to share
	experiences with someone else who may be in a different
	state than you.  It assists in eliciting a persons and yours
	process for emotions and duplicating them. 

	Kawika
From: saswss@unx.sas.com (Warren Sarle)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Treating an abused child by further abuse???
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.BvEpMG.77y
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: saswss@hotellng.unx.sas.com


Last night on CBS TV there was a movie called _Child of Rage_. I saw
only the last hour, but it seemed to be "based on a true story", as 
they say. It was about a little girl who had been sexually abused by
her father and developed homicidal tendencies. She is adopted by a
well-meaning, loving couple who put her into a very expensive
treatment program called "holding therapy". In holding therapy, the
parents and therapist physically restrain the child while provoking
her to rage by verbal and physical assault. This supposedly encourages
the child to get in touch with her feelings and develop empathy.
While the movie apparently ended with her miraculous recovery, a
trailer said in fine print that the girl's subsequent treatment
required separation from her parents and controlled behavior
modification.

This holding therapy seems to me to be totally contrary to most
current ideas about treating abused children and other trauma victims
(e.g., the literature review in J. J. Haugaard and N. D. Reppucci,
1988, _The Sexual Abuse of Children_, Jossey-Bass Inc.; also
J. L. Herman, 1992, _Trauma and Recovery_, BasicBooks). In fact, the
therapy itself seems abusive to me. I found it especially repugnant
that the screaming little girl was told "We love you" while her
parents bodily dragged her to "therapy"; in other words, love=abuse.

Does anybody have any information on holding therapy from a more
reputable source than a TV movie?
-- 

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saswss@unx.sas.com    SAS Campus Drive     are mine and not necessarily
(919) 677-8000        Cary, NC 27513       those of SAS Institute.
From: eastpak@acs.bu.edu (Peter Trussell)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: infra red
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:42:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: eastpak@acs.bu.edu


Keywords: communications


I would like some reference material on pratical application to communciation
using infra read (ie circuits,noise filtering and lenses)
.
From: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: Communication Guru's
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:50:55 GMT
Reply-To: evans@ece.arizona.edu (Glen Evans)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering

I need some help,  given the following parameters, S/N, Bit Error Rate,
path loss, Effective Radiated Power, # of jammers/interferes, etc.
Basically dealing wit cosite problems, what are the standard 2 and 3-d
graphs that are shown?  Thanks!

Glen Evans
University of Arizona
From: kamjim@burst.Princeton.EDU (Kam Chuen Jim)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
Subject: bio-engineering programs
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:50:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

As promised, here is my compilation of Bio-engineering programs that
emphasizes computer engineering.  As most of you probably know, just
recently Kerrie Holton has posted a very informative list of grad 
programs in biomed.  My compilation is no where as thorough as that
(there are just three), but here goes...


NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY

Good work instrumentation and medical imaging are being done in the EE/CS
department.  


UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGIN

AT the Orthopaedic Research Labs, a lot of software development is
being done for visualization of bone structures, modeling of heart and
blood flow, combining images from CT, ultrasound, MRI, etc.


DUKE UNIVERSITY/UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA

Duke University and the University of Carolina has a joint program in
Medical Informatics.  


That's it.  If anyone would like more information about contact persons
or anything else (though I don't believe there's much more I can tell
you myself) please feel free to email me at kamjim@phoenix.Princeton.edu.


- Kam
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
From: ksg@engr.latech.edu (Kenneth S. Guillory)
Subject: Re: device to detect eye movements for communica
Reply-To: ksg@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:20:28 GMT

I've read about a few techniques to do this.  I'm sorry that I don't have any immediate
references available, but one of the most interesting mechanisms I've heard of is through
evoked potentials.  The disabled person would stare at a grid of cells with characters
and words.  But, each cell would flash at different rates and different colors.  The EP
measured across the visual cortex would match in frequency and phase ( almost ) to the 
flashing of that cell.  You could probably find stuff about this on a library reference
database or something.  The nice thing about this is that it is non-invasive, and all you
have to do when finished is clean up a little electrode cream.  It sounded cool, anyway.
You might also be able to play with the EMGs generated in the ocular region to track
relative eye movements.  If you need anymore heresay, let me know. 

Hope this helps a little,

Shane Guillory

( dammit, I really need to finish that .sig )

Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
From: wnoe@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Noe)
Subject: Nuclear magnetic resonance imaging
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 02:17:03 GMT

I am trying to generate a bibliography of current nuclear magenetic resonance
imaging research.  The majority of the literature I have seen deals with whole
body or whole organ imaging, so my major interest is to find articles on small-
volume imaging research.  Any information will be gleefully accepted and
distributed if there is interest.  Thank you in advance for your time and
attention.

Have a nice day.

...B

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Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
From: sandman@ravel.udel.edu (Bring Me A Dream)
Subject: eyetracking
Organization: Lab Rats
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:09:24 GMT

>For a person who is almost totally paralyzed, yet very bright,
>a communication technique is needed which would read either
>the position of the eyeballs, or eyelids, eyebrows etc.
>This might interface to a PC.  We are programmers so whatever
>we find need not be in 100% perfectly releasable shape, but
>we could deal with it.
>I had heard of fighter-plane cockpits which could sense where
>the pilot was looking, and do various things on CRTs.
>I wonder if that technology has made it to the non-military 
>world.  I believe there were a couple of light beams
>that read the angle of the cornea, or lens ....
>please give me any leads you can think of.
>Chris Sundaresan 

The way eyetracking is accomplished is with a method called pupil-
centered cornial reflection.   The way way this works is you have a
point IR source (such as an IRED) near a camera [the eqs are simpler
if you mount it on the camera].

Now you take an IR photo of the eye.   You will have two bright-spots
one brighter than the other.  The brightest spot is the cornial reflection
the second brightest is the pupil center.   If you compare these you can
tell in which direction the subject is looking. ie

p-pupil reflection (big and dimmer)
C-Cornial reflection (small and bright)

/------------\
|            |
|            |
|    ppp     |
|    pCp     |
|    ppp     |
|            |
\____________/
STRAIGHT AHEAD
/------------\
|            |
|            |
|    pCp     |
|    ppp     |
|    ppp     |
|            |
\____________/
STRAIGHT DOWN
/------------\
|            |
|            |
|    ppC     |
|    ppp     |
|    ppp     |
|            |
\____________/
DOWN TO THE LEFT

You get the gist......    Now the keen thing is if you
hook up a mirror system that keeps the pupil center centered
they can move their head whilst they are being tracked.

The reason why this works is that an offset pupil and reflection
does not change the results and centering the pupil in the camera
view keeps them on screen...


/------------\
|            |
|            |
|         ppC|
|         ppp|
|         ppp|
|            |
\____________/
STILL DOWN TO THE LEFT
-- 
     	    Mike (I have two words for you: Be-Have) Sandler
			  Un, Znqr Lbh Ybbx
From: burgess@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Richard Burgess)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
Subject: Recording EEG in MRIs
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:28:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


    I have got a huge grounding and shielding problem.  The question
is how to sense tens of microvolts while rejecting ten thousand watts
of RF in the form of 80MHz, 1 Gaus magnetic field originating less than a
yard from the electrode.  Ideas? References? 

Thanks
Richard Burgess
burgess@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
EE and Biology senior
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
From: spindel@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: re:Viscoelastic Material
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:42:12 GMT

When I developed an external fixation device, I used neoprene to simulate
the fracture.  It works well, is cheap, and is probably lying about in your
machine shop ready for use.  There seems to be a problem with mailing to 
waanders@umich.edu, otherwise I would have mailed the reply rather than 
wasting space on the net.  Waanders, please email me to let me know how it
worked (or what you used instead if you use somebody else's suggestion) and
what you are working on.  I like to keep up on the subject, even though I 
am no longer involved.  
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
From: kamjim@lamp.Princeton.EDU (Kam Chuen Jim)
Subject: EEinBio graduate programs help
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:12:50 GMT

	I am trying to compile a list of Engineering in Biology Ph.D. or 
M.S.E. programs.  Specifically, I am interested in computer engineering 
related or software related programs.  
	I will use this list to decide where to apply for graduate school,
and also I will post this list for anyone else interested.
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
Subject: Recording EEG in MRIs
From: john.eichler@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (John Eichler) 
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.eichler@grapevine.lrk.ar.us (John Eichler) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The GrapeVine BBS *** N. Little Rock, AR *** (501) 753-8121

The only suggestion I might have would be to create a differential
signal at the electrode and bring it out via two closely coupled wires
such that the large external field would interfere with both signals
the same amount.  Then feed the wires into a differential amplifier
and reconstruct the small signal.  The common interference would be
cancelled out using such a technique.  This is not an easy problem to
be able to solve.  I have seen the differential solution be used in
similar very intense fields and quite small signals were measured.

Also before you convert the signal at the electrode into a
differential signal, you might want to put a small op amp to boost the
level from microvolts to millivolts.

Good luck.  Let me know how you come out.
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From: brophy@med.unc.edu (J. Jon Brophy)
Subject: Re: device to detect eye movements for communication
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:56:52 GMT


I know of a group in the San Diego area that was working
on the application of a tongue controller.  One would put
a membrane keypad in the mouth and comunicate by preessing
the tongue to the top of the mouth.  
I do not remember their names, but can go get the name
of a friend that was solicited for funding about this
project.  PLease email me directly for further info.

brophy@bme.unc.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
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Subject: EMBS Student membership
Reply-To: ksh@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:14:22 GMT


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From: gouldh@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.biomed
Subject: re:Recording EEG in MRIs
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:12:08 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

I have never tried collecting
for EEG you are looking at 20 Hz or less for raw EEG and 3000 Hz or less
for most evoked potentials.  Your interference is in the megahertz range
doesn't your filter take care of this? 
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