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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:37:46 EDT
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Subject:      Ankerberg
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Subject: Ankerberg

When I finish with the Ankerberg posts, I will see if I can get them
loaded onto the CHRISTIA library for those that want copies. I've received
several requests, which hopefully have fulfilled right away. If I missed
anyone, you can wait for the library announcement or simply send me a note
and I'll ship a copy off to you.

It appears there will be 2 more shows with about 3 posts each. I think I'll
try to get the tape that talks about the HIV vaccine and see what it has
to say as well. My 30/30 newsletter says I'll get a copy of the first tape.

Maks.
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:55:37 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Requests-update

Updates:

Thanks to everyone who is praying for the things for which I have asked
prayer.  The Lifechain just finished, and it was truly awesome.  Beautiful
weather (thank you God!), very little opposition, no trouble, LOTS of traffic
going by, and a very very very LONG line of people.  We have yet to see what
the media will have to say about it.

Please continue to pray for my friend's pregnant ex-girlfriend.  He was unable
to attend Lifechain today because he has gone to visit her to try to persuade
her to let her baby live (I told him I figured that was about the best excuse
I ever heard for missing a prolife event!)  I pray that his efforts will meet
with success and she will be able to make a decision she (and the baby) can
live with.   Please join me.

Also, it looks as though I may have to get to Buffalo a bit sooner than I had
thought, since OR is beginning their action on April 20.  Please pray that God
will make it possible for me to get there and that He will open the doors to
enable me to do some solid research once I am there.

Thank you all for your prayers and support.  I'll let you know how things are
going.
         Love INC,
                  ---Kerry
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:13:24 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ABORTION: Spec.legal

Marty:
I'm aware of the "health" problem.  I was just trying to be as fair and
linguistically accurate as possible.  You are correct.  The "restrictions"
are largely negated in practice.  Thanks.
                                         Love INC,
                                                  ---Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:54:57 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A more encouraging CHRISTIA

Bill:

An excellent suggestion!  Makes me wish I was still doing classroom
teaching instead of lazing around on this dissertation grant.  Sigh.
Very creative use of the faith.
                               Love INC,
                                        ---Kerry
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:02:22 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Mail Check

Kerry,
The other day I tried to send you a direct message about your request
for research assistance.  Did you receive it or was it eaten by a goret?

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:59:43 CDT
From:         Roy Jacobsen <NU021927@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Perfection (was: Re: Planets and matter)
              4 Apr 1992 11:35:00 EST from <BSC92SPA18@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

On Sat, 4 Apr 1992 11:35:00 EST Jeff Sinatra said:
>Kerry,
>Because we are asleep to our own perfect selfhood, does not mean that we are
>not perfect.  It means that we are not aware of our own perfection.  Sin is
     How can we be perfect yet not be aware of it?  Isn't that an
imperfection?

ttfn

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From:         "Jeff Sinatra" <BSC92SPA18@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
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Kerry,
Our speach represents our nature. Yes, James is refering to speach, but I think
that there is more there than simply a warning.  Perhaps you should take your
own advice, and read the entire text.  He is speaking of the very nature of our
individuality--the very nature of God and man. "But if ye have bitter envyings
and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.  This
wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish."(Jas 3:14)
He states that, "this wisdom descendeth not from above..." --is not derived
from God, but rather mortality (earthly, sensual, devilish).  He also states,
"Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are
made after the similitude of God."(Jas. 3:9)  Clearly, James is speaking of the
nature of man when he states, "...the similitude of God"?  Isn't he telling us
that because man is the "similitude of God," when one curses other people, one
curses God Himself?  After all, God did not create these "bitter envyings,"
they "descendeth not from above,"--Doth a fountain send forth at the same place
sweet water and bitter?"(Jas. 3:11)   In James 3:16-18 he speaks of our divine
nature, our eternal individuality, when he starts, "But the wisdom that is from
above is first pure..."  It is true that the toungue cannot be tamed until we
start from within our own thinking, and overcome the beliefs of mortality.
James is speaking about overcoming these "bitter envyings" through an
understanding of our relation to God.

				love,
				  Jeff Sinatra
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:38:41 CDT
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Onan

Much appreciated Andrew,
  I figured someone would say something about Onan, because I've heard
it preached as being against masterbation before.  It is not an isolated
misunderstanding.
  Glad I could help.
    Lonnie Schubert
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:29:22 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Research assistance

List Folk:

I would appreciate it if anyone who comes across an interesting article
(academic, secular, Christian press, or whatever) on the topic of abortion
or on the prolife movement in general would, if you have the time and in-
lination, forward the citation to me at KSTE@PURCCVM.BITCOM.  It is a bit
difficult to keep up with all the local and national news on the topic.
I am seriously thinking of hooking up to Compuserve just to get the
clipping service (no, I am NOT interested in the electronic mall!  No,
really, I'm not.  Shopping?  From home?  Me?  Well,...maybe.).  Any
assistance anyone out there can provide would be much appreciated.  PS:
To those outside the US, please do not forward any citations unless the
article has a direct bearing on the US situation.  This thing is already
getting too big as it is!
                         Love INC,
                                  ---Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:52:42 -0800
From:         dr798302 <whchen@CS.NTHU.EDU.TW>

Earlier one posted message about whether women should cover their heads
in the Churches.   As one can read from 1Cor:11 that Paul said
'... But Any woman who prays or prohesis with her head unveiled brings
shame upon her head, .....  A man, on the other hand, should not cover
his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the
image and glory of man, ...' A speaker in his Church then concluded that
women should cover their heads in the Church.

I would not say that covering heads is unimportant but I would say that
it is less than God's wishes for us written behind these lines.  Even if
all women covered their heads, but if they treated their husbands with
inrrespect, I wonder what would it mean to God?  Paul call our attention
that in the earlier day of creation, HE create man first and wish his
women to cooperate him in glorifying God.  But we gradually made the
family out of His plan that the husband thought that his positions in
office is more important than loving his wife and the women would give
up support his husband but instead develop his own career.  I lived in
a traditional Chinese family that my mother devoted his time to help my
father fullfilling his dream for our familiy, that she took my father as
his head and my father took 'Love for Childrens and others' as his head
(he did not have a chance to know Jesus Christ) that the family souds
more harmonic than others.

Similarly I have same opinouns on many laws in the bible such as
divorce.  If every couple did not divorce but not treat each other with
love, it would mean nothing to God.  But when they love each other and
also obey God's law to get married (now there are more ones choose to
live together but did not go to Church for a marriage), there are
fullfilling God's plan for them. Just as in Mark 5: 17 He said 'Do not
think that I have come to abolish the law of the prohets.  I have come
to fullfill but not to abolish."

Allen W. Chen
Taiwan
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:41:02 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christian rock

Hi John Ross:

Nice point (rock & gospel).  But I'm not sure we should lay all the pap
on the doorstep of Southern gospel.  Mainline denominations have been
excising the blood of Jesus and the wretchedness of man from the
traditional hymns for years.  Several, in fact, are about to publish
new hymnals that change words to reflect non-sexist language and to
avoid attacking the self-esteem of the sinner.  I agree with you.  Yuck.
                                        ---Kerry
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Subject:      Re: Parable in Matt.

>Herman Melville's 'Billy Budd.'  The Pharisees hated Jesus because He was
>the Son of God, and because He was sinless, and they were neither.

The Pharaisees were in a position of power in the community.  They
were look up to and loved the power they had over the people.
Certainly that old sin of pride was also involved here.  If they
accepted Jesus as the Messiah, then where would that leave them?  They
didn't want to give up their status and control over the people and I
feel this also had a lot to do with it (IMO).

                                        Liz
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:33:07 EDT
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From:         Dennis Davidson <DDAVIDSON@CBACC.CBA.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Safe Sex #2
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> I think we can agree that Biblical standards will give you, oh,
> 98% protection (they won't protect you from bad blood or evil
> dentists).

Darryl, God can protect you from everything if he desires.  I know, for
myself, I would not attempt him by doing something that I know is against his
word.
Your servant in Christ,

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:39:28 CDT
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: re-pro-choice
              8 Apr 1992 11:31:15 CST from
              <CXKJP%UTXDP.bitnet@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:31:15 CST <CXKJP%UTXDP.bitnet@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU> said:
>{........} Its easy for men to sit back and make judgements
>about it but they dont know and never will know what it means
>to be pregnant and alone.
>
>Kim
Kim,
You and others may call me a fool for this statement, you may even call
me a bold faced lier, but I take issue with the above statement.
I know what it is like to be pregnant and alone because I have helped
friends (women) through these times.  (Recall my testimony of "Ruth".)
Of course I cannot "know" the way these women "knew" it, but I do understand
the emotions and what goes on in a woman's mind in the situation.  I was
there.
Children ARE a blessing of the Lord.  No exceptions!
I cannot and will not let the evils of our society and the failings of
people (and especially the failings of Christians who should know better)
cloud my knowledge of the fact that abortion is immoral and denies inate,
God given rights to the pre-born.

There is always other options than abortion.  "Ruth", as I related, felt
that she would "hurt" her parents by letting them know her mistake.
She hurt them far worse when they discovered that she had so little faith
in their abilities to deal with and accept her human frailties,
and as I said, I will regret for the rest of my life, allowing that
misconception of her's go to the extreme it did.  I honestly believe
that I should have told her parents as soon as she told me.
Is that usurping her rights?  YOU BET!  I believe that in this particular
case, it would have been the "RIGHT" thing to have done.

Abortion is never the best choice available.  (Much less the only one.)

I do know the pain.  I was there.  My heart hurt, my eyes cried, and my
lips prayed.  I know the pain.
   Lonnie Schubert
(PS To ensure there is no doubt, I am a male.)
PPS When I refered to the "Christians who should know better", I mean those
who would condenm a young girl for making a mistake.  I mean especially
those christians who would encourage that girl to cover up that mistake
by killing the child who resulted from that mistake.
Life is hard people; sin never makes it easier!
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:11:44 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Two different questions
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              7, 92 2:05 am

>>
>And Ian contributed with:
>Abortion is the willfull act of taking a life that belongs to the species
>Homo Sapien..
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Which STILL includes capital punishment, war, and, according to
>some, contraception.
>
>A LITTLE more specific.
>
>|\ /\ |\ |\ \/ |   Texas         "I awoke in a fever;
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> DJohnson@tcucvms    University     soaked in sweat;
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>                                  a nightmare, and it's not
> Never cut what you can untie    over yet!" -- Roger Waters
>                                "4:41 A.M. (Sexual Revolution)"
>

Alright, I realised when I sent the post, that I left something out, but
I was hoping people would not be so pendantic..

Abortion is the willfull act of taking an unborn life that belongs to the
species Homo Sapien..

Contraception is not the willfull act of taking a life, because one can not
be sure whether or not a life is present when one takes the pill.
Abortion is the deliberate act of terminating an unborn _HUMAN_ ie HOMO SAPIEN
life..


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Oracle Systems         			Phone   : +61 8 239 3900
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:10:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Modern Revelation and the Pope

Doug writes:
>Several questions come to mind: if "public"
>revelation ended with the death of the apostles, who told the Catholic
>Church there would be no more public revelations?  In my mind, this seems
>to limit the Lord's ability to speak "publicly" to His people if He chooses
>to do so.  Did He say He would no longer do so?
>If He did not say so, then who are we, mere mortals to make a definitive
>statement that "there will be no more public revelation."

>This is precisely the strength of the Mormon position, Marty.

    And many other denominations as well.

    the list minor
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:51:08 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "Correctness" and "Truth"

Purcell:
I agree with a good bit of what you said, but, to use your own analogy,
the Bible tells us that what we are dealing with is an elephant, and that
knowledge is available to all who will but hear it.  Knowing this, it would
be wrong for me not to point out that the blind men are misinformed.
Similarly, the Bible says, unequivocally, that Jesus Christ is _the_ way,
_the_ truth, and _the_ life (not _my_ way, _my_ truth_, or _my_ life) and
that _no_ man cometh to the Father but by Him.  Thus, one cannot come to
God through Vishnu, Buddha, Zoroaster, Kali, the Universal Energy,
self-enlightenment, or a nine-part course on tape cassette.  For me to
stand by and allow others to be dragged into the abyss, with the justification
that their understanding is different from mine, is a sin.  If you know the
Truth (Jesus Christ), you have a commission to share Him with others.
If you fail to do so, their damnation is on your head (Ezekiel 33:8)  To
return to the analogy, the elephant is an elephant; any other description is
not, in fact, partially true--it is wholly false.  Jesus is Lord.  No
ifs, ands, or buts.
                   Love INC,
                            ---Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:25:30 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject:      Mikael Agricola of Turku (10 Apr 1557)
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MIKAEL AGRICOLA OF TURKU, BISHOP (10 APRIL 1557)

Mikael Agricola (AH-gree-ko-la) was born in Finland, then a part of
Sweden, around 1510. He was one of eight Finnish students whom the
aged Bishop Martinus Skytte, a Dominican, sent to the University of
Wittenberg to study.  In 1554 the Swedish bishops consecrated him
Bishop of Turku without submitting the choice for papal
ratification. He carried out Lutheran reforms throughout Finland,
along conservative lines.

Agricola adapted the German alphabet for use in writing Finnish. He
wrote an Aapinen (ABC book, primer, speller), a prayer book, a
Finnish translation of the New Testament, and a Finnish translation
of the Liturgy. He translated many hymns into Finnish and made a
collection of Finnish hymns (original or translations) by others. He
is the father of written (or at any rate of literary) Finnish.

Others who are remembered in connection with the Church in Finland
in modern times include the following:
  (1) Paavali (= Paul) Juusten (1516-1576), first bishop of Viipuri
(now held by the former USSR and called Viborg), and successor to
Agricola.  He wrote a catechism and a manual for the clergy.
  (2) Paavo Henrik Ruotsalainen (1777-1852), a lay evangelist who
led a spiritual revival. A poor peasant, without formal education,
he became the outstanding layman in the Church of Finland. Despite a
lack of recognition by the authorities, he served effectively as a
preacher, a spiritual counsellor, and a reconciler of the penitent.
  (3) Lars Levi Laestadius, a botanist of Swedish birth, preached
among the Lapps, and introduced much of their devotional practices
into the rest of Swedish and Finnish life. His followers bear
certain resemblances to the Plymouth Brethren.

   Almighty God, we praise thee for the men and women thou hast
   sent to call the Church to its tasks and renew its life. Raise
   up in our own day teachers and prophets inspired by thy Spirit,
   whose voices will give strength to thy Church and proclaim the
   reality of thy kingdom; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who
   liveth and reigneth with thee and the same Spirit, one God, now
   and for ever.
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Subject:      File on Adam-god doctrine is now in the library

The files that I submitted to the list on the Adam-god doctrine as
taught by Brigham Young are now available as one file from
the Christia library at ASUACAD.

The file is entitled, ADAM-GOD THEORY

en agape,
bob
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From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re modem shock
              at Apr 14, 92 11:10 am

Kerry, you said your incoming calls were blasting you off the screen.  When
my office-mate and I got our modems we asked University telecom to
disconnect call waiting from our phones.  This took care of the problem.
If you can't do that, does your phone company have a symbol-number-number
code to turn off call waiting on an individual call basis?

Does anyone else have this problem, or know the answer?  We were lucky that
the U. didn't mind us giving up call-waiting.
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