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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Private Uni's
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:19:08 GMT
	<1992Nov6.103222.3273@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> <27812@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <27812@castle.ed.ac.uk> matt@castle.ed.ac.uk (M P Taylor) writes:

   In article <1992Nov6.103222.3273@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
   >Oxford and Cambridge. In fact these two are not very typical of
   >the rest, they have a lot of peculiarities due to being the
   >only ones founded centuries ago.
   >
   Oxford and Cambridge are NOT the *only* ones founded centuries ago.

   Durham, Bath, Bristol to name but 3 English ones. As for other British
   then how about St Andrews, Glasgow and Edinburgh?

The University of Edinburgh is 409 years old, and (I seem to remember that)
it's the youngest of the four old Scottish Universities of St. Andrews,
Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Glasgow.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Religion & Morality (was Re: Can the Prime Minster be Catholic?)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:01:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.140440.21793@sei.cmu.edu>, firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.094033.13734@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> 
> >France currently allows no interference of religion in either government
> >or education. I don't see the fabric of society collapsing around me here.
> >Basically you are talking complete crap.
> 
> Is this the same France that Edmund Burke wrote about?  The one that
> enthroned the 'Goddess of Reason' as her supreme deity?  The one that
> spawned the Terror and the Committee of Public Safety?  The same
> France that gave us the Directorate, the Consulate, the Empire, and
> twenty years of war, at the end of which she was drafting fifteen
> year old boys to face the guns?
> 
> Nah, must be somewhere else entirely.

Funnily enough, I believe that all this happened before the separation of
church and state.

Simon.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Organization: Not Philips.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:17:53 GMT

All of these contradictory definitions stated with such conviction are
certainly interesting.  The OED says "16th c.; orig. unkn.".

With the BS posted about something so easy to verify, it really makes you
wonder about the more obscure stuff...
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From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: email to fax
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:18:36 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

Is there a way for me to send something via email to a fax machine in
the UK?

Please respond via email as I do not normally read this newsgroup.

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,soc.history
From: philo@orion.IntelliCorp.COM (Philip R. Obermarck)
Subject: Historical Maps of Edinburgh
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:40:59 GMT
Reply-To: pobermarck@intellicorp.com
Organization: IntelliCorp Inc.

 I'm looking for maps and descriptions of Edinburgh Scotland in the early
1800's.  I am especially interested in the Old Town and waterfront areas.

 Can anyone direct me to good books or other sources for this material?
Any mail order shops that deal with this?

 E-mail responses preferred.

 Thanks-

  Philip R. Obermarck        
  PObermarck@IntelliCorp.COM
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:36:44 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Magnus Pyke (was: BBC election coverage
 <1992Nov8.231229.15080@infodev.cam.ac.uk>

In article <1992Nov8.231229.15080@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk
(Guy Barry) says:
>
>In article <92313.1657132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
>(andy) writes:
>>
>>What ever happened to Magnus Pyke anyway, I loved him on "Don't Ask Me!"
>
>He died about a week ago.

Really, he must have been quite old, that's really sad he seemed like a
wonderful spirit. How old was he how is he being remembered in the media?
>
>>By the way, is Geoffrey Palmer still around, he was mysteriously replaced
>>on one series, I think it was called "Executive Stress" and I'm worried
>>he might have passed on.
>
>He's alive as far as I know.
>
>--
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: London Ambulance crisis
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:12:21 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1992Nov12.093306.2440@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, nhansen@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
|> I would like more information on the London Ambulance fiasco.
|> Apparently on Oct. 26 a new computerized system was implemented.

The technical aspects of this are being discussed in detail
on comp.risks
From: guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent, Dialect and Rabbie Burns
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:28:19 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:

>Probably... you're beginning to sound like a lager commercial.  A quick poll
>of the office reveals the knowledge of Burns to be about zero amongst none
>English speakers.						       ^^^^

Well, if you didn't poll anybody, it's hardly surprising no one had heard
of him.

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: help to find BBC world service station.
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:58:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <1992Nov9.163901.60542@cc.usu.edu>, sls2c@cc.usu.edu writes:
> 		I'm having difficulties to locate the BBC World service 
> program, specially Africa news and north America services, I tried to
> get the station numbers and the time from the BBC itself but didn't get respond

I get them mid-evening on 5975.   I'll post other frequencies.

> 	If any know please E-mail to me or if any one have their E-mail 
> please E-mali to me also.

Now there's an interesting thought.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: In your school?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.093238.5475@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)   writes...
>In article <1992Nov6.115052.19505@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>>In article <1992Nov5.084636.16113@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>>>In article <5NOV199203010964@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>					      ^^^^^^
>>>Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
>>      ^^^^^^^
>>	Are you two related (by any remote possibility)?
> 
>In a word, no.
> 
>-- 
>Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
>Dept of Comp Sci, UofT                       I left so much behind."
>migod@turing.toronto.edu                                -- Leonard Cohen

C'mon Mike, how do you know - we might be?  I can confirm that you're not
my alter-ego as some have suggested, but perhaps we have some predecessors
in common.

Laurence

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:41:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <lfqrt4INNa64@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
> I would like to hear what the difference is between
> the Anglican church, and the Church of England.

Under the terms of the Act of Supremacy, 1524, they are one
and the same.

> This is in
> the context of the Monarch being the Supreme Head of Britain's 
> official state religion.

There is not, so far as I know, any "official state
religion".  The Act of Sumpremacy declare Henry VIII to be
supreme head of the church.    In effect, that made it
impossible for appeals to go to Rome [Act in Restraint of
Appeals, 1533], and also declared that England was an
Empire, rather than a mere kingdom subject to the Pope.

This has little to do with there being an official
religion.  The various Emancipation Acts of the Nineteenth
century ensured that membership of any other churhc was no
bar to holding public office.

Oh, and I think it's worth pointing out that Britain was
busy emancipating members of other relgions about fifty
years before America got around to emancipating its
slaves.

So a little less sarcasm might be in order.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Lyrics to the Ring
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:32:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.171052.7815@rz-berlin.mpg.de> gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Struan Gray) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.100808.18246@infodev.cam.ac.uk>,
>gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>
>> Could someone post the entire libretto of Wagner's "Ring" cycle (all
>> four operas, please), if possible with both a literal translation and
>> a singing translation?  Thanks.
>
>  Sorry Guy, I can only remember the bit where Elmer goes:
>
>     Kill de Wabbit,
>     Kill de Wabbit,
>     Kill de Wabbit,
>     Kill de Wab-bit!
>

	"Ein Schwert verhiess' mir der Vater..."

	So watch it.

	Alec


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan)
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:43:04 GMT

It may be instructive to note that the PR system used in this
part of Ireland was insisted upon by the British at the time of
the foundation of this state in order to protect the views of
minorities (In particular they were concerned about those who
were of a unionist persuasion). Ireland uses that system to this 
day. 

This may show that the main parties in Britain are fully 
aware of the benefits of PR but are concerned about giving a
say to their political minorities.

A similar system was set up in NI (In order to protect the
nationalist viewpoint, I presume) it was abandoned by the 
government in NI after a period. 

In many respects the Irish Republic is more politically stable
than NI.

MARK
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: "Rajesh K. Sharma" <rsharma@spinner.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Need Internet Address....
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:05:14 -0500

Hi:
I have an uncle in Berkshire to who I want to send mail. The only
details I have are his username and the janet node number he is on.
Any help on forming the complete address will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Rajesh Sharma
From: ruairi@sy.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp (Ruairi.H)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Just Wondering ??
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:51:50 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.british
Organization: Fujitsu SSL Ltd. in ShinYokohama.



 Hiya, 
       I was reading my local newspaper (reasonably reliable) today on
my way to work and it claimed that Sony now employs more people in
Wales than British Coal.  Anyone care to comment on the accuracy or
otherwise of this statement.
       Oh, by the way, the paper was The Daily Yomiuri, one of 3
english language papers here in Tokyo....

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:33:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
>It would have been much easier to just not bother with
>a vote. The reason for whipping the MPs was that they
>were all elected on a very clear election manifesto
>commitment to Maastricht (it was on the first page)
>and has all committed to the manifesto before the election.

A number of the rebels actually mentioned their opposition to
Maastricht in their election addresses. Preumably one can
assume that what's in the manifesto is the default, but a
candidate's election address overrides it.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15132 alt.folklore.urban:27415
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:27:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton)
>The Gunpowder Plot occured on November 5 1605, two years after
>King James 1 (of the "King James Bible" fame) ascended to the throne.
>A group of English Catholics, of which Guido Fawkes was a member,
>decided to kill the King because he had reneged on his promises
>to stop the persecution of Catholics.  Catholics were routinely
>tormented for practising their faith, ever since Henry VIII (of the
>6 wives) 70 years earlier in a stunning burst of arrogance had
>set the monarchy up as head of the church in England, and
>excommunicated the Pope!
>
>James I was always a despotic ruler, and his son Charles I was even
>worse.  In fact Charles I forced a civil war in England, lost, and
>was executed.   For 12 brief glorious years England was a republic,
>from January 1 1649 to 1660.  Then the cup of liberty was dashed from
>the people's lips when the son of the old king, an even bigger dickwad
>and dilettante than his father, grabbed the throne back.
>The cup of liberty passed on to the American people, who had the
>same thirst as the British, but were more successful in satisfying it
>a century later.

A somewhat confused account of events. The cause of liberty at
that time was linked to anti-Catholicism. English people looked
at the authoritarian absolute monarchy of Spain and the Spanish
Inquisition, and shuddered. There had even been an attempt to
impose this form of Catholicism on England when the Catholic
Mary I gained the throne and married Philip II of Spain. As
they had no children on her death the throne went to her Protestant
half-sister, Elizabeth. Part of the distrust of Charles I was
his Catholic-influenced sympathy for absolutist monarchy.

In fact English Catholicism was of a milder form, and English
Catholics, in between being disembowelled, spent a lot of time
trying to persuade people of this. However, Fawkes and his
fellow conspirators were a faction of the absolutist sort, and had
they succeeded they would probably have imposed an absolute monarchy
of the Spanish type on Britain.

This is the official story, but there is a lot of evidence that
it was all a put-up plot intended to discredit the Catholics:
Fawkes was paid by the government, and then double-crossed.

You are also wrong to suppose the 12 years of the Republic were
in any way "glorious". Cromwell shut down Parliament and ruled
as a military dictator. The return of the monarchy was seen as
a return to liberty not a loss.

Matthew Huntbach
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Goldsmith's Coll, students
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:44:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Nov6.084744.11619
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Nov5.031655.15287@muddcs.claremont.edu>, jharrel@domo.claremont.edu (John Harrelson) writes...
> 
>I'll be attending Goldsmith's Coll London ca.1/93...Is there someone on the  
>line who can and will tell me some things re:comp.lab equipment, Brit class  
>(course) time/structure, local features of Lewisham (good/bad/indifferent),  
>nearest coffee, latest train, closest record shop, and cheapest food. 
>My thanks to any with input.  

There's good free traditional ceilidhs there quite regularly. There's one
on tomorrow which I might go to. 

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From: hoconnel@iti.org (Heath O'Connell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Yankee Accents was (re: How to insult a Brit)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:48:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
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silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

>	I doubt there is much reason to be offended by Sandee's
>postings on this topic. He appears to have been trying to be humorous.
>It would have been funnier if he were more familiar with American dialects.

	Where is Professor Higgins when you need him?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
From: A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:15:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.095728.14409@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>That might be a good argument if there was a scrap of evidence that it
>were true.

Well, it wasn't _my_ argument - mine would be that it is nice to have people
in parliament who have other things on their minds than the non-executive 
directorships they will get when they leave. I can't imagine Lord Runcie 
advising tobacco companies on how to break into East European markets, as 
Lady Thatcher is now doing.
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Why Berwick-upon-Tweed?
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:41:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Nov9214111
Organization: The Kremlin Wall of Harvard

I found the following passage in George III's proclamation
of October 30, 1776, for a general fast in connection with
his planned suppression of the American Revolution:

	...That a public fast and humiliation be observed
	throughout the part of our Kingdom of Great Britain
	called England, our dominion of Wales, and town of
	Berwick upon Tweed, upon the Friday the 13th of 
	December next, that so both we and out people may
	humble ourselves before Almighty God,.....etc.

My question is, what is so special about Berwick-upon-Tweed?
Why is it mentioned separately?

Philip Nikolayev
nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
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From: infidel@cislabs.pitt.edu (todd j. derr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:45:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: university of pittsburgh cis

In article <1992Nov9.011417.26343@ulysses.att.com>,
   smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

>Actually, here's all the Constitution says about habeas corpus
>(Article I, Section 9):
>
>	The privilege of the writ of \fIhabeas corpus\fP shall not be
>	suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the
>	public safety may require it.

sheesh.  I never realized that the Constitution was written in 'roff.

todd "But that could explain a few things, I guess" derr
From: cwilson@gssec.bt.co.uk (Colin Wilson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:59:46 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <A.Grant.20.721307237@ucs.cam.ac.uk>, A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov8.205021.21238@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
|> 
|> >[Burns] _did_ write much of his work in Scots.  If that _is_ part of what 
|> >he is respected for, how is that not "in his own right"?
|> 
|> I mean, he is respected as a cultural icon, as the first half-decent poet
|> to write in dialect, rather as Bob Dylan was the first half-decent poet to
|> write pop lyrics.
|>

How much more of this ignorance will we be faced with? All poetry is in
dialect, because all forms of language are dialect, including the
Standard English that Alasdair Grant apparently reveres so much.
 
|> >As Billy Kay describes so accurately, most Scottish schoolchildren
|> >including my generation were ridiculed, often physically punished, for
|> >using their native Scots in school.  It was not proper to speak Scots.
|> 
|> Hang on. You're a successful international professional. How far would you 
|> have got if all your teaching had been in Scots, with English as a despised 
|> foreign language? Comedy actor? Social worker? Institutionalising Scots
|> and/or Gaelic, which seems to be what you are suggesting, is precisely the
|> _worst_ thing Scotland could do to itself. Scotland needs Europeans, not
|> peasants.

Ray Dunn can answer for himself, of course, but personally I greatly
regret not having had the opportunity to have my education in my own
language, Scots, and I see no reason why having it would have adversely
affected my prospects, or anyone's. The experience of education through
the medium of Welsh tends, if anything, to suggest the contrary.

Some of the implications of Grant's remarks here - that English, or any
foreign language should be despised; that Scots and Gaelic are
languages fit only for peasants, as if peasants were a lesser form of
life - are simply appalling.