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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Gee, where did all these Baathists come from?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.114426.8673@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

>
>
>Yes Rached, the Lebanese government under the presidency of Amine Gemayel,
>September 1983, officially asked Syria to withdraw its forces from Lebanon. The
 
[Some Material was deleted]
>
>elie wardini


Would that date happen to be a year after the "israeli" invasion brought
him to power?.  Or would it be a year after the Syrian Troops were
only stationed in the Bekaa Valley and the israeli's were occupying
two thirds of Lebanon and only a few miles away from Damascus??
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Samir M. Fahs       | " One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed
4925 Dufferin       |   to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean 
Downsview, Ont      |   actions to fear."
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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Ambassadors' names
Keywords: Ambassadors.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.034429.17080@leland.Stanford.EDU> waid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah) writes:

>
>The rest of you can go back to discussing what to call your mother tongue
>etc.

ya 3ayni, layk wayn ba3do!!

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Samir M. Fahs       | " One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed
4925 Dufferin       |   to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean 
Downsview, Ont      |   actions to fear."
From: saghir@eecg.toronto.edu (Mazen Saghir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Power Plant
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:32:23 GMT
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

In article <1992Oct8.102708.11055@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> saghir@eecg.toronto.edu (Mazen Saghir) writes:
>
>I do not believe that the hydro plant was ever used, or weather the plant
>was completed at all, but I might be wrong here.        ^^^^^^^
>

...that should have been 'whether' :-) Too early in the morning....

-- Mazen
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From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:53:45 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering

In article <1992Oct16.120658.10926@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>let us suppose that it is true that Frangieh asked the Syrians to come in. in
>when the PLO got "too strong" Assad made his clever move: go in the save the
>the "Christian Areas" they were not wlecome from the first moment.

Elie,
come on , we all remember the big picture of the savior "Hafez Assad" in
the middle of Ashrafieh and how the syrians were welcomed with rice. I
think before arguing occupation or not we should get the history right
since I see a big discrepancy between what you beleive to have happened
and what I do.

Anybody would care to clarify which is true ?

Did Syria intervene based on a request from the Lebaneese President andf
the lebaneese government ?

Were they welcomed in themaronite controlled area ? If bnot please state
any attempts to resist them in those areas !!!!
I know the socialist party of Jumblat fought with them as well as the
palestinians at that time but did the maronites resist this so called
"occupation" ?????


rached
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Thank you but No.
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:09:51 GMT

In article <Bw6q57.525@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
writes:

>The mere comparison between Syria and "israel" is reprehensible.
>Equating Syria with "israel" is incogitable.

why Samir? can you explain?

>Samir M. Fahs


elie wardini
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Lebanese Shii dismissing Islamic Republic
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:56:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Brad quotes from the Iran Times:

Adding to new sounds from Hezbollah, the party's secretary general,
Hassan Nasrollah, recently called for the Syrian Army to withdraw
entirely from Lebanon.

Elie replies:

Its good news...  :-)
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Military School RIP. The humiliation continues.
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:30:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


In a recent interview with General Michel Aoun said that scores of
Lebanese army officers continue to be held by the Syrian-imposed Hrawi
regime. He added that the regime is sending home the best officers
in the Lebanese army and closed down the only military school in 
Lebanon, which was the best in the Middle East. The puppet regime is
sending the officers to a so-called "rehabilitation" in Syria.
This is the worst humiliation ever faced by the army.

General Aoun added: the cnspiracy is to cleanse the army from its
patriotic elements. However, Syria and its puppets will not be 
able to eliminate the Lebanese military institution and their
terrorist tactics will not frighten the faithful and strong 
officers who chose to remain within the institution despite the
difficulties.
From: mf34+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maged Fattal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: To wassim m.
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:08:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gep6fyy00Uh_03zlhC
Organization: Doctoral student, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi Wassim,

I like to know your account number.  You can send it to: 
mf34@andrew.cmu.edu

Maged
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:06:06 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct15.132330.6807@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.100635.26536@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
> 
>>again shame on all those who speak with two tongues!

Hear, hear!

>Correct me if I am wrong but no government ever asked the israelis to
>intervene right ?

Rached, while you justify the intervention of Syria on behalf of the
Maronites, you must also remember that Israel sponsored their massacre
of the Sabra and Shatilla camps and the hundreds of innocent people.
You must also remember that Assad sponsors various political groups to
do his dirty work for him - to kill rivaling opponents off.

 
>If you want to consider the Syrians as occupying forces, that's your
>opinion and you're entitled to it but please don't make it obligatory on
>us.

But Syria IS an Occupying Force - it is a matter of fact and NOT opinion!
I am supporting Elie's position because it is an absolute disgrace to
humanity how Syria (and other occupying forces like Israel) have turned
such a beautiful and once-prosperous nation into a burned-out battlefield!

If Syria was invited into Lebanon, it is high time that it gets out.
Assad's welcome has been long worn-out!  Let Lebanon exist again
where people can have their sovereignty again and live in peace and
security instead of corruption, fear, having a 400% inflation rate,
and a president who will survive longer than three months!
 
>I have said that earlier and I repeat it. I beleive that the Syrians
>will get out of Lebanon once we are able to proove that we deserve our
>country. In my opinion they are not gaining much by occupying Lebanon

What do you mean by deserving your country?  I'm sure the average
Syrian despises Assad's strangulation hold on Lebanon as much as he
has on their own country.

>other than preventing the country from disintegrating once more into war
>and threatening them. Again they were invited that is not the case for
>Israel.

So who is the worse of the two evils?

>On another note Elie, do you also consider the marines, the british and
>other multinational forces that were invited in the wake of the Israeli
>invasion as occupying forces ? then I must think that you agree fully
>with the people who blasted the marines compound, right ?

But at least the 'peacekeeping forces' withdrew.  Please stop trying
to justify Syria's control in Lebanon.  It only appears that you
support these injustices and suppression on innocent people.

Very, very soon this will end, insha'Allaho ta'ala.

Anisa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: UPI
Subject: Lebanon U.N. peacekeepers wounded in car crash
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:07:56 GMT
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon.

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	TYRE, Lebanon (UPI) -- Seven U.N. peacekeepers were injured late
Thursday in a car crash in southern Lebanon, a spokesman of the U.N.
Interim Force in southern Lebanon (UNIFIL) said Friday.
	The spokesman told reporters that a U.N. vehicle turned over and
crashed in a ravine while transporting peacekeepers of the Nepalese
battalion from the port city of Tyre, 45 miles south of Beirut, to the
UNIFIL headquarters in the border town of Naqoura.
	Three of the seven injured Nepalese received serious wounds and were
immediately taken to a hospital, he said.

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From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: English ? (Was Re: soc.culture.lebanon.dialect?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 7 hours, 25 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:15:00 GMT

In article <NMOUAWAD.92Oct6162116@neumann.waterloo.edu>, nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes...
> 
> 
>"-khalil ? kifak ya khalil ?"

wulek yeslamle l-@ayle el-karime !  :)
min nedene?
hayda inte ya naji?
walla meshe al-Hal wal-Hamdella, es-soHHa mniHa kattir Keir alla, bas el-meede 
alile :)

>ma-twekhezneh be hal-sou'al. ba@rif enno ma esmak khalil

min allak ma isme khalil? 
wallaw ya naji !
baTTalet ta@rifna ?
lah

>"miss lola what time is with you because my stop watch"...
> 
>naji.

alex "vous voulez de la neige" khalil -u Sahrijo
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:34:38 GMT
Organization: UiO

In article <Bw844C.2o0@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.120658.10926@ulrik.uio.no>
e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>
>>                    . It is intersting to note how the Syrians were seen in
>>the "Christian Areas" they were not wlecome from the first moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>elie wardini
>
>I Do believe that your note is off base.  I do recommend that you pull out
>a couple of books on the Two-Year war and skim through them. You might
>be surprised to read that it was contrary to your claim.  If you do
>receive the LebNet Daily Digest, a few Digests back that same topic
>was discussed.

I do not need any books! I was there myself! I have expirenced their comming,
and remember very well that they were not welcome. I remember very well having
argued with a Syrian soldier asking him to leave Lebanon. Yes I was 16-17 at
the time! I remember how we all were disgusted with their patrols and check
points.

Yes I remember, maybe you should listen a bit! 

and I am not speaking for myself. and this is not just Bickfaya! I know that
the same was true in the NOrth, Keserween, Jbail, Matn and Beirut (East). en
bref the Shar'iyye. where I have have friends and relatives and where I have
lived and worked!

I am not sure about the other areas of Lebanon (North (Tripoli and Akkar) ,
Beqaa, Shouf and the South).

I have also relatives in Tripoli, these were not too keen on the arrival of
Syrians either. But whether they were representative of the inhabitants of
Tripoli or not I can not tell.


>Samir M. Fahs


elie wardini
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From: <ayman@eecs.umich.edu>  (Ayman Kayssi)
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:34:00 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan

In Article <1992Oct13.231032.3786@njitgw.njit.edu> "elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)" says:
> Elie replies:
> 
> Yep, couldn't agree with you more. Make sure to slip that $50 note 
> next time to the customs officer at JFK. Tell him Elie sent you :-)
Did you pay $50 to the customs officer at the Beirut Airport last
time you were there?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: HELP MUSLIMS; PAY NOTHING.
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:01:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.151647.5058@ulrik.uio.no>, e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
> 
> not that it is of my buisiness, but would it net better if every Muslim (or
> others who wish to contribute) gave 5$ to MEF rather than work through a
> company whose only desire is to make money (even if takes supporting MEF)?
> 
> elie wardini
Elie

The offer is that while you are with AT&T you are paying your bill which all goes
to AT&T. Instead if you switch to MCI through this Foundation, MCI will donate a
percentage of your phone bill to that organization. This will add no cost to you
since you will not pay any money from your pocket. MCI's rates are less (by
pennies) than AT&T`s (although their service is not as good as AT&T's).
So the Muslim (or whoever wants to participate) would not be incurring any
additional cost and will be contributing to the cause of education of Muslims in
North America.

rached
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Story
Organization: UiO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:21:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.204735.1550@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S.
Soufi) writes:

many things deleted

>Now don't come and tell me that
>there are not some Lebanese out there who go beyound their way to use
>anything (French, Alphaleb, Phoenician...) in order to avoid the use
>of Arabic as their spoken or written language!  It is precisely this
>that I am worried about and not using French or Alphaleb as means of
>communication.

Oh! and why should you be worried? Are you scared to be obliged to learn
Phoenician? or what? I suppose that you already speak French, so this torture
was already inflicted on you. I hope you manage to escape the evils of Aramaic
when it becomes an obligatory language in school.

Khaled, what is really worrying is that you do not manage to distinguish
between your opinion and the world outside you. You have spoken a lot about
those who live in their cocoons and do not know a bit about the rest of
Lebanon. It seems that you prove your statement by being yourself an example.

Khaled I do not know you personally, so do not take my statements as personal
attacks. I disagree with you on very many points, this does not mean that you
are not a nice fellow. When I meet you one day, I will make up my mind.

Yet what is needed, is a change of attitude. Me Myself many times indulged in
arguing that Lebanon is not Arab and can not be Arab. Of course based on my
views and ideas. Yet I have to qualify my statements, since I know that there
are very Lebanese who are Arabs (rather than say what I used to say: who
IDENTIFY themselves with Arabs). Therefore Lebanon is more than my own
identity. Lebanon is the home and country of people with different identities.
We should realise this, and even if we do not share a certain identity (Arab
for me, Phoenician for you) we should not put down others or see them as less
Lebanese or morons who do not know what they are talking about.

THerfore, as long as you can not call me: ya akhi al-finiiqiy, i will not be
able to call you: ya akhi al-@arabiy. Of course you are @arabiy, and I will
remains phoenician in identity, but we will NOT be brothers as long as we do
not sincerely accept each other as we are.


                       /
                      /
---------------------/========
                      ========
                      ========   (I strech my hand to greet you as you are,
                      ========    I hope that you will accept me as I am!)
----------------------========

If not, it is a pity, we may meet in some other life, either with different
minds so that we can accept each other, or under such circumstances that we
have the same identity, and then we can put down others who do not share our
views!

>-- 
>+-----------Khaled Soufi


elie wardini
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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: A last Remark. 
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:01:23 GMT


It is sometimes easy to lose sight of the real issues, especially when
tensions rise high.  One should realize that the points raised were mainly
directed against the motivations and line of thought behind AlphaLeb
and not so much AlphaLeb as a tool.  As those Motives do have their
historical background and political implications on Lebanon.

Incidently, AlphaLeb (or AlephLeb) by itself poses no danger, to the 
contrary, if anything it could prove to be a useful tool on the Network.
It is rather the stimulus behind it.

Such impetus will always be viewed as dubious at best.


Samir.
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From: summer@cs.mcgill.ca (Dania KODEIH)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Alphaleb..
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:20:12 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada




after a month of following the discussions about alphaleb, I just cannot
keep my mouth shot :-)

Well, I'd like to point out that while having a conversation on the Net
with other Lebanese students we usually tend to nihke bilaarabe (libnene)
using english letters.. Well, we don't follow a particular
alphabet, but we try our best to make what we write "sound" like what
we mean, after a while, it becomes a habit, and a very intresting tool
to use..
I think having a set of ASCII characters representing the lebanese
phonetics is intresting in the sense that it makes it easier for us
to understand each other..

On the other hand, I doubt that this "arabic network alphabet" is harmful in
any way to the arabic writing system, because as it happens to be the case,
whenever pen and paper are around, alphaleb would not be of any use
(it's actually harder), and the only people who use it, are people who
have acsess to the internet, hence a very small minority of the lebanese
population..

I have one problem with alphaleb though, it's hard to memorize!

Dania...
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From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Subject: Re: Story
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:44:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.053627.30341@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
>Very funny and painful at the same time.  'Sharrul baliyati ma
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>yudhiku' is what it is.  This is truly satire at its best.  I really
 ^^^^^^^
>enjoyed reading this wonderful piece which does reflect the sad status
>quo!
>
>Regards,
>
>-- 
>+-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+


Indeed, sharrrul baliyati ma yudHiku, that was, with a single letter
correction, AlephLeb.  You used it and nothing happened to the Arabic
language, it is still proud as ever.  I'd say it is time for you Khaled to
come clean with this AlephLeb business.  Say that it can be used and abused,
much like the kitchen knife.

bassem

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: sion@apache.ctr.columbia.edu (Boudi Sahyoun)
Subject: Re: fishing and diving in Lebanon ?
Organization: Free Lebanon
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:40:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: apache.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct13.183639.20746@m.cs.uiuc.edu> soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:


[...]

>hassles.  Now, if you or somebody you know were hassled at the airport
>Elie, then let us know because your matters do not fall under the
>realm of my knowledge. 


Every time I set foot in the Beirut airport I was hassled by either the Syrians
or the Lebanese "security" agents. I often had to pay bribes to avoid
having some of my stuff confiscated.
In 1990 a Syrian soldier took a pair of sunglasses I was bringing with
me as a gift.

Maybe the Syrians have some "special" reasons to like guys from Tripoli? ;)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:03:53 EDT
From: <AXS158@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: software

AS-SALEM ALEIKUM,
 I AM IN NEED OF INTERNET NODES, BBS, OR INFO ON OBTAINING SOFTWARE WHICH
HELPS SOMEONE WITH THE ARABIC LANGUAGE. I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN SOFTWARE
ON AL-QUR'AN. IF ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION PLEASE REPLY.
SHUKRAN
MA-SALAMA
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Conference with Aoun
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:38:18 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


I attended today a phone conference sponsored by CLAO with General 
Michel Aoun. It lasted for an hour and was quite informative.
12 or 13 cities were conferenced and Dory Chamoun said a few
words from Detroit. There will be an article published in major
newspapers by Michel Aoun (Washington Post, Le Monde, etc..)
in the next few days.
Interestingly, some of the questions were very direct, like
"should we vote for Bush or Clinton", "what are the plans about
transmission of uncensored news to Lebanon from Cyprus", "what can
he legally do to push the Lebanese case at the UN", "what does he
know about the fate of the officers that are being arrested", 
"status of the army", etc..

Aoun attacked the Syrian, Israeli and Bush administration policies.
He spoke about the need for a constitution where all citizens
are really treated equally and are active participants.

He was as usual, very direct, and most controversial.