HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lawton@armand.RADC.AF.MIL (James Lawton)
Subject: Re: ARA on a Mac Plus
Organization: RL
Date: 25 Sep 92 13:53:14 GMT

Frank.Wyman@f120.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Wyman) writes:

>HY> A friend of mine just bought a Powerbook 145.
>HY> Part of the Powerbook deal includes the Appletalk Remote Access Software. 
>HY> He was trying to install that ARA on to his old Mac Plus at home.
>HY> He found that ARA software he got from the Apple dealer was on a
>HY> high density disk, which could not be read by his old Mac Plus.
>HY> So I was wondering if anyone could provide some advice on how to
>HY> install ARA on a Mac Plus machine.
>HY> If possible, please give detailed instruction on how to install
>HY> ARA as I don't know much about the Mac. 


>1. Connect the Plus to a network with high density capable Mac's, and do a
>network install.
> OR, if a network is not available -
>1. On a high density capable machine, do a finder copy, from the distribution
>diskette onto two 800K diskettes.
>2. Boot the Plus with a system 7 compatible RAM disk extension (one that
>doesn't run as an application), and make the RAM disk big enough to hold the
>files from both diskettes.
>3. Copy the files to the RAM disk, rename the RAM disk as per the original
>distribution diskette and run the ARA installer. (It worked for me...)

Or 4. (If your Mac plus boot from an external drive) Connect the external
drive to another Mac with a high density floppy drive, boot and install.
From: pharmacy@epx.cis.umn.edu (Patrick Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: A better news reader?
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:59:18 GMT
Reply-To: pharmacy@epx.cis.umn.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Sep23.170136.3200@newshub.sdsu.edu> Jeff Babb writes:
>I'm using TheNews v2.1. I can't even see the window for postaing an article
>right now..i.e. I'm typing blind.

Argh.. I'm going out of my mind with TheNews again.  I thought hopefully with
this new version that I wouldn't see the dreaded "The Server has gone South"
message constantly, but again I see it, and it seems with more frequency now. 
I don't understand how this happens while Nuntius and NewsWatcher work
properly.  I've worked with all three and had just become used to the interface
of TheNews, but I guess I'll have to switch over now, it's too frustrating
losing connections constantly.

One question though.. does Nuntius or NewsWatcher support Append Message so as
to compile large binary files into one file instead of multiple ones?  I didn't
think Nuntius did that last time I checked, but I could be mistaken.

Patrick Parker
pharmacy@epx.cis.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: Maury_S._Markowitz@magicbb.uucp
Organization: MAGIC - Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:44:31 EST
Subject: Re: Mac as UUCP/Mail BBS?

"Can someone point me in the direction of a free or commercial product
which permits a Mac to act as a BBS system, and where this Mac exchanges
email for the BBS with a UNIX host?"

  I'm using such a product to write this message.  If you write back
with a fax number (Maury_S._Markowitz@magicbb.uucp), I can fax you out
some information.

Maury
From: sna@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu (Stewart N. Abramson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Printing, Suns, Macs, and CAP...HELP
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:15:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.6712
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hi out there.

We would like to print from Macs (sys 7) and a Sun4 (4.1.2) to an Apple
Personal Laserwriter NT that is connected directly to the ethernet with
a Dayna EtherPrint Box.

Is CAP running on the Sun what we want???  Can someone out there help
a Mac person get CAP running on our Sun???

We will really appreciate ANY help.

Thanks
Stewart

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ulbrich@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Jan Ulbrich)
Subject: What to do with my Zyxel?
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:12:06 GMT

Hi there,

Now as I have my fantastic Zyxel 1496 E, I would like to know, what to do  
with it... Okay, okay I'm using FaxSTF to fax and ClarisWorks to connect  
to the university - but is there already software to use the  
voice-features of this wonderful modem or, or ...

Thanks for reply - I will post a summary of the reply I get...

Have a nice day, Jan

///
o-o
 L   flynn (remember tron?)
 _   ulbrich@informatik.uni-ulm.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: dwade@svcdudes.com
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems, understanding...
Organization: Software Ventures, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:00:15 GMT

In article <6067.2ac72278@hayes.com> bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.214619.451@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
>> Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo) writes:
>>> Gee, my modems tend to return "NO CARRIER" when someone hangs up.  I 
>>> guess you can't use that to recognize a hang-up?  Naaaah.
>> 
>> 	Absolutely not.  The "NO CARRIER" message is *in band*, i.e.
>> it could appear as a perfectly valid piece of text being transmitted
>> (like, maybe in the line 2 above this one).  There is no reliable way
>> to differentiate between "NO CARRIER" as a piece of transmitted text
>> and "NO CARRIER" as the signal for "the phone connection was hung up".
>
>Except for one thing. Absolutely nothing will follow the NO CARRIER message.
>Add the requisite CR/LF pairs and you have a pretty good indicator for
>connection loss.
>
>The Smartcom family of communications software has been using this 
>technique for 10 years. It is reliable.
>
>After all, Hayes developed it. Who knows the AT command set better than
>the inventors?
>
	This does, of course, assume that all modems follow standards from
1986 religiously, despite the minor increase in modem capabilities since
then.  But yes, that really should work...

>-- 
>Bill Coleman, AA4LR                ! CIS: 76067,2327    AppleLink: D1958
>Principal Software Engineer        ! Packet Radio: AA4LR @ W4QO
>Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc. ! UUCP: uunet!hayes!bcoleman
>POB 105203 Atlanta, GA 30348 USA   ! Internet: bcoleman%hayes@uunet.uu.net
>Disclaimer: "My employer doesn't pay me to have opinions."
>Quote: "The same light shines on vineyards that makes deserts." -Steve Hackett.
>


-- 
Doug Wade  /  dwade@svcdudes.com  /   Disclaimer:  It's not official, folks.
From: nd@doc.ic.ac.uk (Naranker Dulay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: ARA script for Courier HST?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 09:59:59 GMT
Organization: Imperial College, Dept. of Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dse-mac-naranker.doc.ic.ac.uk

Has anyone a CCL script for a Courier HST modem for use with ARA that will
try to utilise the faster speed possible when 2 HST modems connect? 

Thanks,
Naranker Dulay
From: umbaugh@csq.arl.utexas.edu (Dave Umbaugh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Ethernet, Localtalk question
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:00:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: csq.UMBAUGH.92Sep29140035
Reply-To: umbaugh@cse.uta.edu
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: CSE Dept., University of Texas at Arlington, Arlington, TX

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 13:35:43 GMT, hontanon@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Ramon J. Hontanon) said:

Ramon> Someone posted a question recently about how to print on both ethertalk
Ramon> and Localtalk from the same machine. My question is a little different:

Ramon> - If I have a Mac connected to _both_ localtalk and ethernet, can I
Ramon>   write an application that will read data coming from Localtalk and
Ramon>   will send the data over the ethernet. (Do I have to physically
Ramon>   switch networks at the control panel?)

Apple wrote the Apple InterNetRouter which does that.  If they could
do it, why can't you?
[other stuff deleted]

Ramon> Any comments/suggestions appreciated

Ramon> Ramon
Ramon> -- 
Ramon>  ............................................................
Ramon> : Ramon J. Hontanon   KE8SF : Systex, Inc. Beltsville, MD    :
Ramon> : hontanon@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu : CBER/FDA NIH Bethesda, MD      :
Ramon> : ramon@fdavax.cber.nih.gov : -- "Get your kicks on Route 66" :
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Computer Science Engineering       
University of Texas at Arlington    <B652LDU@UTARLG>  BITNET
PO Box 19015 Arlington, TX 76012   
(817) 273-3628                     416 Yates, Room 300
                                   
                                 
                                   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: SupraFaxModem Caller ID upgrade...
Organization: UNLV
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:24:25 GMT

Speaking of the Supra Rom upgrades:

Supra mentions you only get 1 upgrade and the offer ends Nov 30. They
also mention that Dec is the target month for the voice mail upgrade.
Now does that mean i can get the free rom upgrade and get the voice
mail later, or what?

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:9688 comp.dcom.modems:14533
From: ksuiter@acpub.duke.edu (Karl Arthur Suiter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: America on Line
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:49:27 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1asdgoINNel2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mem10@po.CWRU.Edu (Milton E. Moskowitz) writes:
>
>In a previous article, hmayor@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Heather Mayor) says:
>
>>I believe it's possible to access America on Line and other
>>similar services through the Internet.  I must have missed the
>>announcement.  I would like to know the details.  Thanks!
>
>Heather-
>	It is possible to send MAIL to AOL and CompuServe via the internet
>-- but as far as I know (an AOL user) - you can't access via the internet. 
>If you wanted to send mail to AOL, it's "@aol.com" that you address the
>letter to.  For CompuServe, you change the "," in the userid to a "." and
>tack-on "@compuserve.com"  
>	SInce I'm posting all of this, I might as well be thorough -- to
>send to AppleLink -- I think it's "@applelink.apple.com" - or it might be
>"@apple.applelink.com" -- I always confuse those two.
>	But I do not believe you can actually -access- these via the
>Internet.  (But it would be really cool and great if you could)!
>-- 
>Milton E. Moskowitz         mem10@po.CWRU.edu       IRC Operator Warlock
>"We close our eyes and the World has turned around again.  We close our
> eyes and dream and another Year has come and gone" -Boingo
>"Even Paranoids have enemies" -John Hale  "Oh Great Wizard..." -Michelson

  Actually, it if you can telnet to another host, you can obtain access
to Compuserve.  First, telnet to the gateway server at hermes.merit.edu.
At the prompt, enter "Compuserve".  Then, after you are connected, enter
your User ID, password, etc.  This gateway also provides access to a
number of other services.  The list of services can be displayed at the
initial prompt.

  Here is a sample session....

csh> telnet hermes.merit.edu
Trying 35.1.48.159...
Connected to hermes.merit.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.

%Merit:Hermes (HME14C:TN08:VT100:EDIT=MTS)

Which Host?compuserve
%TN08:HME14C-ABA7:TE00 compus

%Call connected



User ID:
Password:


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.unix.aux
From: frey@med.unc.edu (Eric Frey)
Subject: Re: Macs sharing unix printers? What's easiest?
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:19:14 GMT

I have recently been trying to solve the same problem on our network. I
considered some of the commercial products already mentioned, however
they aren't available for Decstations (Which is predominantly what we
have).  Columbia Appletalk Protocols is a package of stuff that does
what the commercial systems do (macs can print through Appletalk
protocols to unix printqueues, unix box can print to ps printers that
understand Appletalk printers, and the unix systems can act as a file
server for the mac). I was able to compile the package very easily for
a sparcstation slc and use the slc as a file server and print queue for
my quadra. I have not yet tested whether I can print to an Appletalk
printer on EtherTalk because I don't have one yet (ours are all on
localtalk). The package is pretty well documented and easy to build:
there is a configure program that pretty much sets up the makefiles. The
package is supposed to support Decstations and Suns in with native
EtherTalk (though Decstations require a patch to Ultrix that you must
get from Dec). The package is supposed to support a lot of other unix
systems, but I think it requires that you have a ethertalk-localtalk
router that can embed ethertalk packets in IP packets. I did the whole
job in a couple of hours. You can get cap60 via anonymous ftp from
rutgers.edu.

	eric frey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sonicsys@netcom.com (Sudhakar Ravi)
Subject: need help with v.32bis modem
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:53:18 GMT


I'm getting a 'Data CRC Error' during file transfer using ZTerm
(every 10KBytes or so) and was wondering whether this is a  
normal occurence with high-speed modems?  And every time I get one of 
these errors, the file transfer slows down to about 800cps, and 
tries to speed up again to around a max of 1600cps.
I'm using a Supra v.32bis, and ZTerm is set to a data rate of
57600 with hardware handshake on, xon/xoff off, and the modem initialized 
with AT&F1 (which is what the Supra manual says to do).
The place I call says they have Telebit 1000's which should be compatible
with my modem.
The other thing I see is a garbage character pop up every minute
or so.
Is this something I just have to live with at such high data
rates, or are there any adjustments I can make to smooth
things out?
Thanks for any help.

Sudhakar Ravi
Sonic Systems
sonicsys@netcom.com
From: ce_rupn@pavo.concordia.ca (RUPNIK, CHRISTOPHER E.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Fax Software
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:59:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello,
 I have a Boca Fax-modem but it did not come with any software for the
 fax (It came with Quicklink/Fax for the PC)
 Is there either a shareware package that someone can recommend
 or must i purchase a real package. Also, is there a special 
 init i would need to access the modem in fax mode??

 Any help would be appreciated

 ce_rupn@pavo.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Don Lee <DL10@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: COMET IS WONDERFUL, but how do you transfer files??
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6E978820B01EC6B@cu-dialup-0401.cit.cornell.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 26 Sep 92 02: 16:34 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: dl10@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:21:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.091420.7677@ac.dal.ca> Stuart Watson,
dalnews@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I've loaded a copy of Comet and it works like a charm. It's the perfect
>solution to our mixed IBM and VAX mainframe environments, that is it
>is an excellent terminal emulator for both....
>
>Perfection, however, would include the ability to transfer files
>from the mainframes to my Mac....If it has the ability, I can't
>seem to find it.   Any hints??

Read the "Background" section under the "Info" menu - it describes the
two basic methods of file transfer available within COMET - namely FT3270
and TFTP.  It does NOT support regular FTP (although I wish it did).
If you want the ability to use FTP, you'll have to find an alternate
solution (i.e. combination of COMET and NCSA Telnet or a dedicated
FTP client).

I too like COMET's ability to work in a mixed environment.  However, 
when I work for long periods of time on a VAX / UNIX system (...that is
when I'm not on a IBM system requiring 3270 emulation) I must confess,
I still prefer a program like NCSA Telnet (due to FTP support, scrolling 
main window, etc.)

=====================================================================
Don Lee :     DL10@cornell.edu	       |          CIS: 70731,3413
From: psz@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Peter Szolovits)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: ARA script for Courier HST?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:33:06 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

I spent a day making an ARA script for a pair of the old
(pre-dual-standard) USR 9600-baud modems, and alas the conclusion is
that it just doens't work.  You will recall that the HST's achieve
9600 baud by an asymmetric communication method that in fact runs the
line at 9600 one way and 300 (I think) the other.  It includes a
heuristic to decide which way to make fast, and takes a long time to
turn the line around.

ARAP innately spends a lot of time sending traffic back and forth, so
the HST's spend all their time turning the line around.  I found just
connecting at a real full-duplex 2400 to be faster for all ARA
throughput.  This is a real shame, but I think the HST's are really
only useful for high-speed communication when virtually all the bits
flow in a single direction (like a ZModem download, for example).

--Peter Szolovits (psz@mit.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems, understanding...
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:46:19 GMT

Charlie.Mingo@p4218.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Charlie Mingo) writes:
> Gee, my modems tend to return "NO CARRIER" when someone hangs up.  I 
> guess you can't use that to recognize a hang-up?  Naaaah.

	Absolutely not.  The "NO CARRIER" message is *in band*, i.e.
it could appear as a perfectly valid piece of text being transmitted
(like, maybe in the line 2 above this one).  There is no reliable way
to differentiate between "NO CARRIER" as a piece of transmitted text
and "NO CARRIER" as the signal for "the phone connection was hung up".
It's the control-s/control-q flow control problem all over again.
From: gt1111a@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Telnet 2.5: Crashes all the time on PB100
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:35:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am experiencing several-times-per-day crashes on my PB100.
I am running 7.0.1 with Tuneup 1.1.1, and NCSA/BYU Telnet 2.5.
It's most particularly annoying since they didn't enable the "resume"
box, so when it pops up with "unimplemented trap" all I can do is
click on "restart". Am I alone here? Should I start looking for freaky
problems on my PB100, or reload everything?

I am running LocalTalk on a small network which joins to the Ethernet
by running Apple InterNet Router on a Mac II that is both on the 
Ethernet and the LocalTalk. A Gatorbox on the Ethernet issues me an
IP number and boom. Wish I hadn't tossed out 2.4 now.....

-- 
The War on Drugs is just part of the War on the US Constitution. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steven Dorner)
Subject: Re: MIME-compatible mailers for Mac
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:25:08 GMT

jnm@ornl.gov (Jamey Maze) wrote:
> 
> Are there any MIME compatible mailers available for the Mac.

None that I've heard of.  I try to keep in touch with other implementors,
so
From: daven@notable.com (Dave Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Comm software
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:30:44 PST
Organization: Notable Technologies, Inc.
Reply-To: daven@notable.com
X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Sep28.171702.22827@svcdudes.com> (comp.sys.mac.comm), dwade@svcdudes.com writes:
| 	I'm not convinced that SC has a nicer interface, but you're basically
| right -- pretty much every terminal program has a different set of strengths
| and none is best for EVERYBODY.

I've always been of the opinion that Smartcom II's strength was it's superior
user interface.

--Dave (former author of MicroPhone II)


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Voice:    510.208.4449      |  internet: daven@notable.com
FAX:      510.444.4493      |  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: TCP/IP thru ARA Possible?
From: Michael.Breen@UC.EDU
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:56:34 EST
Distribution: usa,world
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Keywords: TCP/IP, ARA, Fetch

I have my Quadra 700 at home with MacTCP 1.1 and a valid internet address
dialing into my desktop mac with the same versions of the SW and also a valid
IP address.

I would like to use Fetch or Xferit from home during non-peak times.
Fetch tells me that MacTCP needs to be installed on my machine...
it is, i've taken this machine back and forth and had it on the ethernet
backbone several times.

Is what I want possible? I thought I read, when ARA first came out, that you
could Telnet or FTP through ARA if the machine that was being dialed into was
properly TCP config'd.

ARA is great to use as it is... but reading the NetNews from home would be even
better :)

As always, any help or pointers will be greatly appreciated.

MTB
From: alexr@apple.com (Alexander M. Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Termy and PB170 keyboard...
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:45:50 GMT
Organization: Hackers Anonymous
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:45:33 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F7651DD3010C7C@mtdew.apple.com>

In article <1992Oct6.005418.15898@netcom.com> Brian Hall, mspace@netcom.com
writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.202738.17676@gallant.apple.com> Alexander M. Rosenberg 
><alexr@apple.com> writes:
>>In article <lux.718222330@sol.UVic.CA> Michael O'Henly, lux@sol.UVic.CA
writes:
>>>	Is it possible that the VT102 terminal tool just plain doesn't
>>>understand PowerBook cursor keys?
>>
>>Yes.
>
>Is there a database, technote, or other repository of this sort of
>information?  It would stop lots of hair pulling of developers and tech
>support people.

No.

Sorry for the sparse answer. I'm working really hard right now on solving
these sorts of problems.

There has never been public access to our bug database. Tech notes once were
used to convey information that related to a bug that developers may need to
work around. In this case, this is not a bug that third-party developers can
work around. I would suggest that developers who are seeking this kind of
information provide this feedback through their channel and into Apple where
there may be answers to your quesitons.
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