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From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:11:54 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
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Original Message From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
Original Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
 
>:-)  What difference do you think a Liberal government would have made to
>Tricontinental's actions?
>
Who knows, maybe they would have placed stricter controls on them. Perhaps
a little attention to the auditing would not have gone astray.
 
>By the way the State government's debt relative to State GDP is less
than it
>was during some of Bolte's years.  Short memories...
 
Maybe so, I will not argue your statement, but let me add that we had a better
chance of paying off the debt than we do now.
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:38:54 GMT
Distribution: aus

in article <miw.719028506@cc.uq.oz.au>, miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) says:
> A sampling of recent economic indicators for the "big 13" OECD countries.

I want to nominate this article for the best aus.politics submission this
year.  People can bluster all they like, but its hard to argue with hard
numerical facts.

Nothing like blowing the tabloid popular wisdom completely and utterly out of
the water.  Some people just don't want to believe that Australia is actually
weathering this recession very well.

> Unemployment:
> -------------
> UK		9.9%

And rising very rapidly.  They've probably already overtaken us (approximately
50,000 job losses have been reported in the past month, 30,000 at British Coal
alone).  Also UK unemployment is "seasonally adjusted" (ie fudged), which
Australia's unemployment figures are not.  We even give a participation rate,
which few other countries do.

> Next week: Taxation as a proportion of GDP.

I don't want to steal your thunder, but my information tells me that despite
almost universal belief to the contrary, Australia is one of the most gently
taxed countries in the OECD.  I'll ve very interested to see the numbers.

Congratulations on an excellent article!!

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Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter)
Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
Organization: Monash University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:55:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.071033.9086@trl.oz.au> c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:
>
>Well this is a recession.  You should be angry with Cain and Jolley for not
>taking the opportunity to reduce debt during the boom years.  Instead of
>reducing debt they avoided increasing taxes (unlike in N.S.W).  Yes that was a
>mistake but a very common one.  Even now the Federal parties on both sides want
>to repeat it with tax cuts in 1993/94.
Why shouldn't I be angry for them getting the debt to such levels
in the first place? Sure, I'm also angry with them for not patching
up their monumental mistake but that's in addition to being so imprudent
in the first place.

>
>Haven't you ever borrowed money to buy a house?
Yes. And I have now reached the point where my interest payments
are less than the cost of renting a house. So its not
the same thing is it.
If the govt had been similarly careful in containing and reducing debt
then I would have no complaint.
d.s.

>
>Chris O'Neill


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Computer Systems Engineering, Monash University,
Clayton, Vic. 3168, Australia
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From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:13:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Original Message From: cm@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Charles Meo)
Original Subject: Re: Will Victorians vote stupid yet again...?
 
 
>In <1992Oct8.044523.705@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
suter@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr D. Suter) writes:
>>terms to the other parties. I admit that I'm just guessing, but
>>I think it likely that up to 30% of their revenue is wasted on
servicing the
>>debt and on paying those lease agreements - it not just
>>the size of the debt itself!
>
>I get a bit fed up when people who are 'just guessing' start mouthing
off about
>government debt.
 
Well $32b is certainly something to mouth off about. [Regardless of who
has to
pay it].
 
>One fact you might consider is that 65% of the external debt is in PRIVATE
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                What do you mean by this?
 
>hands, and has nothing to do with the government. This is the fruit of another
>'binge'--the stupid takeovers of the eighties, and now we see bankruptcies
>where they should be, with the scumbags who did all that stuff.
 
So what! Sure there is a huge debt in the private sector, (mainly banks) and
sure they will be trying to recoup the losses for years to come, but regardless
of this, when a government spends so much of its revenue in servicing
debt then
it is logical to expect that they either have to raise taxes or reduce services
or both.
 
And now you mouth off about "bankruptcies where they should be, with the
scumbags who did all that stuff.".  Are you just guessing?
 
Incidently, it is amazing how the popularity of said word "scum-bag" has
taken off in recent years. We have a lot to thank the Cuckoo-clock
collector for, haven't we? :-)
 
Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: rshelswe@socs.uts.edu.au (92089248 r   shelswell)
Subject: Jehovah Witnesses
Reply-To: rshelswe@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  8 Oct 92 15:37:14 GMT


Can someone please help me with an assignment on comparative
religion of mine, on Jehovah's Witnesses.

The assignment is mainly concerned with doctrines and practices
of the faith, especially as conflicts with other faiths,
and Governmental stances on issues such as Birth Control,
Health Care and so on.

Any help would be appreciated.


+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|   Ryan Shelswell            |  School Of Computing Sciences,  |
|   rshelswe@socs.uts.edu.au  |  University Of Technology       |
|   "I said TAKE HER DOWN!"   |  Sydney, Australia.             |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

  "And what did Oscar Wilde say?"
  "Deeper?"
  "Besides that."
  "To define is to limit?"
  "Exactly.  Do you see now?"

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+---------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage)
Subject: Re: Xianity & 'Xianity' (was: Changing nature of God)
Organization: Basket Weavers, Inc.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:07:00 GMT

In article <ricko.718429787@ee.uts.EDU.AU> ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe) writes:
>c9037395@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Helen Lee) writes:
	[..]
>>My apologies. I will try not to use this again. (Pity tho, it was such a
>>good way of writing it 'shorthand'... like Xmas.)
	[..]
>Behold how pleasant and good it is for brethren to dwell in unity, as the
>song goes. It's no big deal, I think "X" is commercial and undignified.
>
>I think this also shows interestingly that the unreligious rush to
>preserve rights, while the religious rush to make love their duty.

Pardon me, but I think that's utter twaddle. First you make an unexplained
claim that "Xianity" is offensive, then imply that kow-towing to your
whims is the height of religious obedience. I don't buy it.

Without doubt Helen is being very nice by not asking you defend
the demand that she change her expression. However I think you need
_better_ justification than that it's "commercial and undignified".

"Onwards Christian clean-cut-right-thinking-socially-aware-soldiers...."

gja
Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Xianity & 'Xianity' (was: Changing nature of God)
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:56:21 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage) writes:

>Pardon me, but I think that's utter twaddle. First you make an unexplained
>claim that "Xianity" is offensive, then imply that kow-towing to your
>whims is the height of religious obedience. I don't buy it.

>Without doubt Helen is being very nice by not asking you defend
>the demand that she change her expression. However I think you need
>_better_ justification than that it's "commercial and undignified".

It was not a demand. I said please. Don't jump on me. I wasn't ordering 
Helen, I was asking anyone.

Previous posters have requested that I drop dead, and no one complained,
so I have always assumed that aus.religion was a newsgroup where
people could express their feelings. I feel at complete liberty to
not drop dead, and any one else should feel at liberty to use X for
Christ as much as they like. But I do find it ugly and offensive.

I'm sure Helen is nice too.  

-ricko
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Xianity & 'Xianity' (was: Changing nature of God)
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:16:47 GMT
Distribution: aus

c9037395@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Helen Lee) writes:

>My apologies. I will try not to use this again. (Pity tho, it was such a
>good way of writing it 'shorthand'... like Xmas.)

Well Helen, writing Xmas is just as bad too ! Ironically it stands
for 'take away Christ (the X) man are SILLY (mas) '.
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Xianity & 'Xianity' (was: Changing nature of God)
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

c9037395@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Helen Lee) writes:

>ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe) writes:

>>Could you not use "Xianity" please. It is offensive. 

>My apologies. I will try not to use this again. (Pity tho, it was such a
>good way of writing it 'shorthand'... like Xmas.)

>Cheers,
>Helen

Behold how pleasant and good it is for brethren to dwell in unity, as the
song goes. It's no big deal, I think "X" is commercial and undignified.

I think this also shows interestingly that the unreligious rush to
preserve rights, while the religious rush to make love their duty.

-ricko
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Do Christians eat Babies?
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:25:24 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

John Brownie wrote:
> Rick Jelliffe wrote:

>>Also, if everyone thought it was merely symbolic, why did 
>>not Christians respond to the often-heard claims of 
>>canabalism during services "no, its just symbolic", 
>>at which the fuss would have died down? (Or at least the
>>persecutors would have looked for something less silly.) 

>Do we have any record of the responses?  I have heard of the claims of
>cannibalism, and the only quote I can find is a brief one from
>Athenagoras, and another in Eusebius, quoted in Bettenson.  Neither
>contains any response at all, but they were presumably written for
>Christians. 

Does anyone remember the Blackadder episode featuring the "baby-eating
Bishop of Bath"?

Any way, it just happens that this week a copy of the magazine Catholic
World Report arived, and it has a dialogue by the Roman christian 
apologist Minucius Felix, written about 200 A.D. It sepcifiaclly addresses
these charges. Apparantly Tertullian, whose name I have previously 
blackened, also gives them, so I hereby reinstate him and invoke him.

Octavius by Menucius Felix  Chapter IX

Caecilius (a pagan): "... suspicion is applicable to secret and nocturnal
rites; and he who explains their ceremonies by reference to a man punished
by extreme suffereing for his wickedness, and to the deadly wood of the
cross, appropriates fitting alters for reprobate and wicked men, that they
worship what they deserve. Now the story about the initiation of young
novices is as much to be detested as it is well known. An infant 
covered over with meal [i.e. flour], that it may deceive the unwary, is
placed before him who is to be stained with their rites: this infant is
slain by the young pupil, who has been urged on as if to harmless blows on
the surface of the meal, with dark and thirsty wounds. Thirstily - O
Horror!- they lick up its blood; eagerly they divide its limbs."

Chapter XXX

Octavius (the christian replies): "And I should wish to meet him who says
or believes that we are initiated by the slaughter and blood of an
infant... No one can believe this, except one who can dare to do it." 

Octavius then goes on to point out that in fact non-Christians expose
their new-born children and destroy them by abortion.  So in fact the non-
christians are guilty of the very thing they accuse the Christians of.

In other places he responds to charges of ritual incest during banquets,
which have been luridly described. He says that chastity and virginity are 
in fact much enjoyed. He has a great quote (in the context of a highly
polished and eloquent dialogue) that "we do not speak great things, but we
live them".

-ricko
From: rpp@rilin.ci.COM.AU (Richard Perini)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: oz.au addresses
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:20:24 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Corinthian Engineering, Sydney, Australia


What is The Right Thing to do with ...oz.au addresses that fail DNS lookup?

Currently my sendmail expects to resolve oz.au addresses via the DNS.
If I really want an ACSnet site then .oz (no .au) will cause sendmail
to dump the message on ACSnet.  This just happens to be rather simple 
to set up with IDA sendmail.

There are some (many?) sites that exist on ACSnet that don't have MX records
so mail addressed to them using ...oz.au bounces.  Currently, when this
happens I just send a short note suggesting the sender retry using ...oz.

How do others handle this?  Is it even worth worrying about?

-- 
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Corinthian Engineering                                       Fax: +61 2 9061556
Sydney, Australia                                       Internet: rpp@ci.com.au
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes)
Subject: Re: oz.au addresses
Organization: ITS, Bond University
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:06:42 GMT

rpp@rilin.ci.COM.AU (Richard Perini) writes:

>What is The Right Thing to do with ...oz.au addresses that fail DNS lookup?


My .cf checks for the failure of the DNS lookup and drops it into MHSnet
if it's an oz.au address.  If it's a bad address, it soon gets bounced
out of MHS/ACSnet.  The other option is to send it to munnari if it
fails the DNS lookup but I'm sure kre would prefer you handle it
yourself.


bambi
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Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: gateway to telecom X.400 mailboxes and OTC bust
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:13:15 GMT


Somethings blown up on the gateway from AARNet to keylink. I'm working
on it. Meantime, mail FROM there is ok, but mail TO there is hanging
at bunyip. 

I'd hope to get this solved soon but no promises...

-George
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                         George Michaelson
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Newsgroups: aus.mail,aus.acsnet
From: gnb@duke.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Domain bby.oz going away soon...
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:10:21 GMT

The domain bby.oz and the host melba.oz (a.k.a. melba.bby.oz) will
shortly be disappearing from ACSnet because we will soon stop running
SUN-III.  Our new official domain name is "bby.com.au"; all users
can be reached via "usr@bby.com.au".  This new name has been in use
for some months on all outgoing mail and news.

An MX record exists for these .oz names (i.e. *.bby.oz.au and
melba.oz.au) so these addresses will work if you use MX for your mail.
Sendfile/netsend to these addresses will fail.  I hope to arrange
someone to export these names as "foreign" nodes to ACSnet so that at
least mail sent via ACSnet will still work, but this is not yet
arranged.

No more state message storms for me!

Greg, postmaster@bby.com.au.
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That's *Mister* Chief Pointyhead to you.
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: gateway to telecom X.400 mailboxes and OTC bust
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:24:52 GMT


Fixed. delivery reports where stuck at the top of the queue. the backlog
of around 150 messages is slowly flushing.

A problem with new GOSIP aligned addresses remains to be fixed. If somebody
sends you mail from AUSGOVwhatever.telememo.au It's not going to be replyable
to just yet.

-George
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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: oz.au addresses
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:28:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

In <1992Oct14.020642.13050@kirk.bu.oz.au> bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:

| The other option is to send it to munnari if it
| fails the DNS lookup but I'm sure kre would prefer you handle it
| yourself.

That would be a bit of a waste of time, since munnari simply
bounces mail for hosts that aren't in the DNS, apart from (.bitnet
and .uucp type addresses) - no attempt is made to find some other
way to deliver mail.   Delivering to ACSnet hosts that aren't in the
DNS would (in most cases) involve using AARNet facilities (some Melb
hosts might be able to go some other way, but just a very few) - and
if they don't have an MX record, that's what they're not entitled to.

kre
From: ian@DIALix.oz.au (Ian Crawford)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Mailing List Servers ?
Summary: Are there any .au list servers ?
Keywords: Mailing List
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:02:54 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia

Rather than waste US link bandwidth, can anyone tell me whether there
are Australian mailing list servers operating ?

We have mail access only at present.
From: beam@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:46:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:jwb.714788292@capek.rdt.monash.e:-825231483:peg:999900003:000:180
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!beam    Oct  7 13:46:00 1992


what justification is given for the centering of control and power in regard
to these issues?

we'd look very silly if we we're arguing about something everybody agreed on...

tim
From: mwf@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Are There AUST. films being made
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:31:29 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

If there is anyone in the know about the Australian Film making industry
I would like to hear about how I can join in the production crew of any 
localy produced film.

The reason is that someday I would like to direct my own films but I will
have to learn somewhere.

Thanks in anticipation!
Xref: sparky aus.films:615 aus.culture.ultimo:279
From: jane@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Jane Lean)
Newsgroups: aus.films,aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Chez Nous
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:17:10 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Power Software

In article <1992Oct15.135446.8531@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> max@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Max Coltheart) writes:
> In article <axolotl.719106868@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>>fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:
>> >to see a really good movie, try _The Last Days of Chez Nous_.  Come to think
>> >of it, I might write a review myself.
>>
>>A movie shot on location in Ultimo & surrounds!  I give it two sugars
>>on the "flat white" scale, without even seeing it.  (Special mention must
>>be made of the French "hero", who is a filthy, arrogant slob.)
>>
> Without even seeing it either (though I am definitely going to) I
> thought he was German?
>
Bruno Ganz (??) is German, he plays a Frenchman in the film.

I second all the recommendations to see it, it's really well done.

Jane

> MaxC


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From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Are There AUST. films being made
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:33:10 GMT

mwf@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:

>If there is anyone in the know about the Australian Film making industry
>I would like to hear about how I can join in the production crew of any 
>localy produced film.

>The reason is that someday I would like to direct my own films but I will
>have to learn somewhere.

>Thanks in anticipation!

There certainly are some great australian films being made
e.g. The last days of chez nous

but I'm sorry, I don't know where you find the crews,
why not ring the SA film corp.

Michael
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From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: aus.films,aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Chez Nous
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:54:28 GMT
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:
 >to see a really good movie, try _The Last Days of Chez Nous_.  Come to think
 >of it, I might write a review myself.

A movie shot on location in Ultimo & surrounds!  I give it two sugars
on the "flat white" scale, without even seeing it.  (Special mention must
be made of the French "hero", who is a filthy, arrogant slob.)


--
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Newsgroups: aus.films