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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Back
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:48:26 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <64356@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>     SUBJECT : THE OSTERICH PEOPLE
[...]
>          A French team  headed by famed anthropologist Dr. Etienne 
>     Charbonal were investigating tthis group of people and eventually got 
>     there confidence. A group of the Osterich people (if not all of them) 
>     showed up one night, minus their clothes, having silver paint all over 
>     their bodies and invited the good doctor for a midnight hike. After 
>     going into the jungle for hours, the doctor  and team were shown a 
>     large silver dome. Most of the space craft was covered with 
>     vegitation. The native people then began to dance wildly around the 
>     craft singing a song to their ancestors  of the sky.
>          The dome was like nothing on earth. On the way back, from the 
>     craft, one of the elders of the group told Dr. Charbonal that  200 
>     years ago, the large "spinning sun" had fallen from the sky, bringing 
>     the tribal ancestors to this remote part of the jungle  area.  That 
>     was all anyone rembered.
>          More will be known when the French team returns to the jungle  to 
>     study the UFO.

I hope they remember to bring their cameras this time :-).

>     Information source: Sept. 26,1989 Sun pg. 7.

'Sun' - this wouldn't be that paragon of journalistic integrity, the 
_Midnight_Sun_, would it?

>        I'll leave you with this saying; 

Where are you getting these?  Reader's Digest?

	RA
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 06:15:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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Dear Everybody: Thanks to the god RA the proper spelling of Osterich is 
Ostrich. I'll answer more when I get some time.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: jsp3690@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.S. Panesar )
Subject: Re: Goal vs. no goal
Originator: jsp3690@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:18:57 GMT

In article <kg5my#-_@aix01.rz.fht-mannheim.de> mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz) writes:
>Jeffrey Chance <jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca> writes:
>: We're not meant to sit around idly, we're meant to do things, and also to
>: become more aware of who we are.
>Note that for some the latter means exactly sitting around idly (but aware).
>Of course, when deciding what "we" should or should not do, it would be
>helpful first to decide what "we" are or are not - so ... <big grin>
>


Discover who "we" are first before deciding what we should do or become
more aware of who we are while doing things?

As with everything else I think balance is important. Balance may vary
from different people. Balance may be felt. If ignored, situations 
in your life may stare at your and ask you to excersice the balance.
I can't explain it properly, but that was the idea.

So it is a little bit of both and more. I find life setting goals
(deadlines) for me if I don't do it. If I set them and Dance with them
as some one suggested; won't be that bad. Again , we have to live and
adjust, very experiencial thing.

Now back to the quetion I started with... they are probably as not they
seem. With excercising balance ( 0 to infinity ) depending on your
mileage. They are leading to the same thing ie. discovering yourself.

Jagjeet

The last time I posted, the format came out totally screwed up.
so if it does again, I apologise.


>: What is important, as Marc (I think) seems to be emphasizing, is that
>: we should not grasp at things. We should not expect things or be
>: attached to the outcome of events. I agree.
>If you understand "should" in the sense of "it can help to avoid problems",
>we agree here.
>But I do really mean that there need not be some "big goal" (which is not
>"should not") and see life more as a dance than as a walk towards a goal.
>I think we can live with the non-agreement (wouldn't call it disagreement) :-)
>
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:47:45 PDT
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     Subject: Interview with Skeptic.
         On Feb. 7, l992 I had an interview with Ralph Sheaffer the
     founder of the Bay Area Skeptics.  Ralph and I had a discussion
     of how the Amazing Randy had conducted an investigation of a TV
     preacher by the name of Peter Popoff.  It seems that Mr. Popoff
     main claim to fame was his apparent ability to go through a crowd
     and talk to people being led by  God to tell the people what their
     names were, what their problem was and proceed to tell them the
     way to solve their problem.  All of this was supposed to be done
     without ever talking with the people before.  The Amazing Randy
     heard about this man and enlisted the help of some people who were
     experts in all sorts of bugging devices and ways of tricking people.
         The results of their investigatiion was that the wife of Mr.
     Popoff would go through the crowd prior to the services and talk
     to the people asking them their names, problems, addresses and
     what have you, recording this information for later use in the 
     service.
     The wife was back in another area and would broadcast her infor-
     mation to her husband who had a receiving device in his ear that
     many people thought was just a hearing aid.  The investigators
     were able to record this by video and play the audio while she was
     talking to her husband.  The conversation went like this; Peter
     Popoff, "Oh yes I'm getting a message from God,"  There is a man
     here =========.  Mrs. Popoff; "Yes he's the fat man in the front
     row with the red shirt on the second seat from the end of the row."
     He has arthritis in his hip.  P. P.  Oh yes God is telling me about
     this man ========.  Then he tells him what he can do to fix up
     his problem.
         All of this was shown on major TV and the preacher lost his
     TV show but he's still on radio.
         So it looks like the Amazing Randy suceeded one more time.
         I'll leave you with this saying; Even the best family tree
     has its sap.
         This is being posted by Don Showen for John Winston.  I
     am not Don.  Don is not me.
         Number 52.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Re: Introduction to Newage
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.235632.26509@newsroom.utas.edu.au> winter@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Derek Winter) writes:

>Hello,
>	
>                               I am new to this Newage stuff, and although I have heard bits and pieces
>about it, I do not really understand much about it. So I would really 
>appreciate some background about how? what? where? why? and who? type 
>questions regarding the origins and beliefs of the newage.

>                                                                                               thanks in advance,
>                                                                                                                                                                       Derek.
If you want to know about Newage stuff, read Kenneth Boa's book "Cults, World
Religions and the Occult", Chapt. 27.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:19:19 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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     SUBJECT:  MEN IN BLACK . . .
      ok
        In the past , a certain number of people  often come arou nd , they 
     ask people who see space crafts all sorts of questions, then after 
     they  get the information they would threaten them with everything in 
     the book , if they didnt shut up about the sighting. They were called 
     "THE MEN IN BLACK"  because they wore black suits and drove black 
     cars.  My teacher once told me not to attack them because they would 
     just do away with  me.  He said that my elder  brothers would take 
     care of them.  Due to the fact that  the information is comming out 
     about them now, it seems that it should be  O.K. for me to repeat the 
     information, so here goes;  
        They are from the Sirus star system. Although  most of the "good"  
     type beings are from  that system, such as Kadar,  they refer to the 
     men in black's planet as a rather , unsightly planet;;  and from their 
     frame of reference, they do not claim them to be their own, but they 
     must acknowledge that they are, even within their dimension, located 
     within our system.  They do have the ability to change alter their 
     appearances, some-what,.  
         Our U.S. government is now cooperating with the Sirians; and the 
     question was asked,  what is the power that the entire government has 
     to go along with them? They have weapon sources, (I must 
     circumspect...) that are believed by the powers on this planet, to be  
     absolutely dominating. In other words, the government believes they 
     are looking down the barrel  of a very big gun. The Sirians are in the 
     second dimension soon to go into the third.  We are in the third, soon 
     to go into the fourth. The sirians are trying to prevent us from going 
     into the fourth dimension.
        The negative Sirians are involved with these cattle mutilations 
     because of their desire create a species that can perpetuate itself in 
     the harshest of conditions.
        The people from Zeta Reticuli aren't doing the mutilations, but the 
     "primative" Zeta reticulians, which are from (what we would concider) 
     to be from the the past, (please don't ask me to explain! J.W) are 
     helping the Sirians.
        One of the beings that was being interviewed while he was asleep is 
     ccalled B'zal. You talk about a tough dude. . . He would make the 
     worst person on earth look like Mr. Rogers.
      
        I'll leave you with this saying; A political expert is one who 
     tells you what will happen tommorrow, then tells you why it did'nt.
        This is being posted for Don Showen for John Winston. I am not Don. 
     Don is not me.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: Goal vs. no goal
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:24:33 GMT


Jeffrey writes:

> Ok so what's the concensus? I think everybody on the net agrees
> now that we should all have a goal? [:-)]


	... and the goal could be to have no goal;
	... and then to see the wonder that is;
	    [that always is staring us in the face;]
	    [but we are too busy with our goals.]
	
	
> ... I think there is truth in Marc postings ...


	Yeah, the truth pointed by Marc's postings is very looouuudddd.
	
	
> ...We're not meant to sit around idly, we're meant to do things,
>  and also to become more aware of who we are.


	We are the actors, the judges, and the "less unawares" who say
	we must "become more aware."
	
	We are who we are!
	
	
> ... half the time you respond with those rhetorical zen quotes
> which I don't always understand or find applicable.


	... and that's why they are so clear and shiny so as to blind
	    [momentarily] the "intellectual eye."
	
	
	
---raj

	 [the wanderer (from another group) who was attracted to this
	  river bank because of Marc's selling of river water.]

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:28:55 GMT

In article <2f#n0g9_@aix01.rz.fht-mannheim.de> mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz) writes:
>John Emery <emery@tc.fluke.COM> writes:
>: What I am saying is under the Newage thought, should the world be a place
>: where killing is prohibited?
>There is no such thing as "the Newage thought".

This answer is not permitted.  There _is_ an identifable "Newage thought,"
we just aren't telling John.  :-)

You see, Christians have performed an act of extremely powerful magic:
_they_are_trapped_by_words_! 

They have labeled those people who do not follow an organized religion
"new agers" and, because they are thus labeled, they are a religion.  QED.

All religions have central creeds, because that is how they define a 
religion: Christianity is defined by the _words_ of Jesus.  Since we
are a religion, in their eyes, we have a central creed.  QED.

Since we are a religion and have a central creed, in their eyes, they
can _ask_ us what the creed is and we can _tell_ them.  QED.


I'm saying this in a light tone, but if you look closely at most fundies
you will see someone hiding behind words.  Jesus said...  God said...
Leviticus 19:27 says... (do not shave or cut off your forelocks).

So John, if you truly want to understand something that most "new agers"
share, let me tell you a single koan.

I AM LYING AS I SPEAK.

Until you understand this koan, you will never understand the "new age."


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
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From: chris@kbsw1 (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:02:56 GMT
Reply-To: chris@kbsw3.UUCP (Chris Kostanick 806 1044)
Organization: Kentek Information Systems

Do the Men In Black bleed? What handgun load would you recommend to
use against them? If they are really as tough as you say we may
need to go to the .454 Casull load. Do they wear body armour? If
so we may need to practice up on head shots.

Chris Kostanick
"If they bleed they can die"
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:23:18 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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I called Mr. Sheaffer by the first name of Ralph. He first name is 
Robert. Please excuse me. I too busy to post more at the present time.
John Winston.
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From: caina@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:39:54 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <64058@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Big Al: I'll give it some thought about your suggestiion about sending
> you the picture. Maybe Don Showen or Jeff can help me in that project. 
> Lynlee also helps me to operate. Like I say I can use all the
> help I can get. Now new subject. I need to look up a story I read a few
> years back. It talks about a person catching some fish in the ocean off
> the coast of Africa around some named islands. These fish were about the 
> size and looke like a guppy. When he got the fish into his small 
> net he could feel the fish jumping but couldn't see them. It
> seems that these fish become invisible when scared then turn to where you
> can see them in about 20 mlnutes if undisturbed. They sell for over $20,000
> per pair.  John Winston.


  
 Hey John, Here's an invisible dime.  Go call someone who cares.  Invisible
fish.  Next you'll be telling us your Elvis.

A.C.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: bcronk@bnr.ca (Bryan Cronk P125)
Subject: Need help with a prayer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:52:31 GMT

I don't usually read this newsgroup, but my wife asked if I could find 
out info on a prayer which she has part of, but not all, and I thought 
this might be a good place to ask.  Here it is:

Prayer for Virtue
------------------
In the quiet of the morning hour 
I come to you for peace.
Help me be patient, gentle, wise;
to see beyond what seems to be;

...(missing phrase(s))...

O clothe me in your beauty, this I pray -
give me the grace to do your will today.


Anyone who knows what the missing phrase(s) are, or any info on it, 
please post a reply or call.

Thanks, Bryan

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bryan Cronk   BNR, Inc., Research Triangle Park, NC   (919) 991-7598
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: Re: absolute truth
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:48:50 GMT

bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:

>In article <sbuckley.714429755@sfu.ca> sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
>>bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes:
>>
>>>I AM LYING AS I SPEAK.
>>
>>>Until you understand this koan, you will never understand the "new age."
>>
>>  and like the tao which unintelligible, this koan and "the new age"
>>resist clearly delineated concepts.  but one can be delineated: that
>>there are no clear delineable truths.
>>
>>  and this makes that koan, the tao and the new age unable to appeal
>>to many people's search for truth or understanding in the world.  it's
>>then irrelevant.

>Actually koans are used in Zen, not Taoism.

  i know.  i didn't mean to imply that koans were taoist, but that both
zen and taoism both disrespect the quest for answers.

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:16:03 PDT
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     Subject: Kelvin's UFOs.
             In the past I had a teacher or Guru who taught me 
     many things.  In one of our conversations he told me about
     a man by the name of Kelvin Rowe, who lives down in Southern 
     Calif. in a town called San Jacinto.  Merle (my teacher)
     mentioned quite a few things about Kelvin and that he had 
     written a book called "A Call At Dawn" explaining how he 
     had taken rides aboard space crafts from other planets.
             Kelvin is a retired heavy equipment operator (he 
     drove catapillar tractors).
             After first hearing about Kelvin I exchanged a couple 
     of letters with him and about 15 years later I finally 
     set up an interview with  him.  By this time he is 82 years
     old but in good condition, but a little slower than he used
     to be.
             He then told me that he had contacted some space 
     people near his home and he was taken on a lot over 200
     rides.  One of the many unusual things about Kelvin is that 
     he was never able to bring any other  person along with 
     him on his space craft trips.  He also said that at no time
     was he ever taken to another planet to land.  He was taken 
     very close but never to another planet.
             When I was about to leave after interviewing him he 
     came out with a statement that a lot of people tell me.
     The statement was "I could tell you something that probably
     you wouldn't believe".  His statement was that during his
     many trips aboard the flying saucers they finally taught
     him how to walk through a metal wall about 4 inches thick 
     with his clothes on and come out the other side of the wall.
     I then told him my teacher Merle had told me about the fact
     that he (Kelvin) could do this thing so I was not too surprised.
             In my talking  with Kelvin I was informed that his wife
     had written the book about Kelvin's experiences.  Some of 
     the space people even worked in the local grocery store in 
     the past and his wife said she could recognize them as they
     drive down the road in front of her house.
             One way you could tell if they were space people is 
     that they could walk into as room with the doors closed.
     So it looks like these people look like us.
     These space people were very attractive looking and sere from
     the planets Pluto and Jupiter.
             I'll leave you with this saying; One man or woman with
     makes a majority.
             That's all for now, John F. Winston.
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