HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stonek@rollout.tymnet.com (Ken Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Walleyball
Keywords: Wallyball, racquetball
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:43:12 GMT
Organization: btna

In article <lmm.714838864@depot.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> lmm@cis.ksu.edu (ATT Larry M. McWilliams) writes:
>I played a game awhile back called Wallyball and loved it, It was
>a lot of fun.   Wallyball is played in a racquetball court with
>a net in the middle and a special nerf-like ball 2-4 people per side.
>Playing off the walls is part of the game.
>
>Is there any official rules for this sport?  Where can a person order
>equipment? 
>
>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
>Larry McWilliams
>l.m.mcwilliams@att.com
>
>-- 
>Larry McWilliams, dept 0305
>AT&T Network Systems
>PO BOX 26060
>Oklahoma City, OK 73126

	There is an official set of rules.  At my r-ball club
the rules have been copied stapled together and put on the
wall in one of hallways.  I have stopped and glanced at the rules
enough to see it was an official looking publication (meaning
nothing hand written or just made up by our club).  So I can
probably find an address on there to give you if no one else does.
Leagues 2 on 2 are very popular at my club.  Some better players 
mentioned they were going to the Wallyball nationals, maybe in 
Columbus, Ohio or something like that this summer.
	I have seen the suction cups and I have seen them pull out.
They only use I see of the suction cups are on the r-ball court with the
glass sidewall (during a tournament where they needed all courts.)
Otherwise the players choose not to use this court.  The nets and
balls at our club are made by 'I-Dig'.  Most nets have hooks, that
attach to a loop/screw/bolt, that goes into a hole in the wall.
As a racquetball player, this hole does not interfere ever.
	I play a regular amount of volleyball, indoor, sand and grass.
I often check out the Wallyball action looking for potential people
to try to convert.  (time to climb on soapbox)......
	Wallyball teaches alot of stuff that does not transport
well to volleyball in any form.  The serve is best when hit with
underspin so it will drop off the wall downward, faster.  Spikes
too.  It is harder to hit the ball straight down because the
court is only 20 feet, so more people hit slap shots with underspin.
I have seen open caliber of play in Wallyball and these guys were
obviously volleyball capable.  I hate to see beginners learn stuff
that is not portable to the volleyball court.
	On the plus side, it is easy to use that ball to teach some-
one proper setting techniques.  because the ball is easy to grip
the fingers stick easier and a beginner can hit more no-spin
sets.
	I did play in the league once.  A guy was hitting, caught
his elbow on the net (tuna!) got flipped in the air and landed,
breaking his leg.  I subbed.  That't enough for me.  
	As far as the wind and winter goes in OKC, this is probably
a popular sport.


-								      -
- ken stone                 stonek@antares.tymnet.com                 -
- btna san jose, ca     but stonek.probably@the.racquetball.courts    -
-     								      -

	
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: jsr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Joe Riel 3752)
Subject: Re: signals?
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:39:06 GMT

An easy way to remember which is which is to note that one finger
looks like a line and two fingers (spread apart) look like an angle.

Also, one finger looks like an "l", for line, and two fingers spread
apart and held upside down (as is normally done) look like an "A", for
angle.

Joe Riel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: heycke@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Torsten Heycke)
Subject: Re: no hand setting in beach tournament
Followup-To: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: Knowledge Systems Lab
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.143123.24862@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, whitwam@bnr.ca (Mark
Whitwam) wrote:
> 
> In the two-man VSP beach tournaments, here in Ottawa, they don't allow 
> setting with the hands.  Since we have to ref our own games, they justify the 
> rule in that it reduces the arguments on whether the set was "clean".  This 
> forces the setter to bump set.  Is this done in any other beach tournaments?
> Should it be just as easy to spike a bump set, as a hand set?  
> 

On a related note, I noticed that in the AVP tournament held recently in
Santa Cruz many players were bump setting passes that looked relatively
easy to handset. Apparently some players do not feel comfortable
hand-setting as much any more. Sinjin Smith apparently hasn't been
hand-setting at all this year (partially because of a wrist
injury/surgery), but he wasn't down in Santa Cruz this year because of
apparently playing in a non-AVP tourney in Spain ('nother story,
altogether).

I took some photos of various sets to see just how much "deep-dishing" goes
on. Several pics make the ball look it is beneath the nose (I'm not sure
what the printed rules say about this or if when the ball descends beneath
the nose it is necessarily carried). Anyway, a legal hand-set seems to be a
subjective thing insofar as the laws of physics don't really uphold the
notion of a ball not coming to rest. I don't have any problem with the
current hand-setting rules, but they do rely (as many rules do) on sort of
a collective consciousness and subjective judgement (in this case, about
just how much a set ball can come to rest).

I'd go for bump-setting if there were too many arguments, but in most of
the tournaments and fun games I've played in people don't argue set calls
too often. Somehow, we all seem to "know" what a good set is.

Torsten "too busy to be a full-time veebs correspondent, but not quite a
lurker"
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 07:47:06 PST
From: Charles Young <YOUNG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
 <BtzLMo.C3t.2@cs.cmu.edu>

In article <BtzLMo.C3t.2@cs.cmu.edu>, tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen) says:
>
>Hi Christopher,
>
>Spiking (as well as passing and serving) can be easily improved
>if you can understand the physics involved, and what you are really
>trying to achieve when you are doing it.
>
>1) Goal of a good spike: To transfer the moment of inertia from your
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   body to the ball. If you recall from basic physics class:
>
>      M1*V1 = M2*V2, where M1 is the mass of your body and M2 is the
>   mass of the ball. One can easily see that the mass of the body is
>   much larger than the mass of the ball (that's of reason why some
>   skinny guys with a good timing can hit really hard!!!).
>
>2) A good way to practice this "transfer of moment of inertia" is by
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   getting a ball on the volleyball court (not sand) with both hands
>   and hit it really hard against the floor (putting "all your weight on the
>   ball"). You will see that the ball will really bounce very high (this would
>   be a perfect spike on the 10 feet line). The problem is that we can't
>   use our both hands to spike like that (transfer energy from our body to the
>   ball) in a real game.
>

Your advice is good, but you just flunked your freshman physics class. :-)

"Moment of inertia" is a property of an object, and cannot be
transferred. You are referring to "momentum" and its transfer.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: aaron@gauss.eecs.umich.edu (Aaron Barry Kiely)
Subject: Re: no hand setting in beach tournament 
Reply-To: aaron@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:33:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.143123.24862@bmerh85.bnr.ca> whitwam@bnr.ca (Mark  
Whitwam) writes:
> In the two-man VSP beach tournaments, here in Ottawa, they don't allow 
> setting with the hands.  Since we have to ref our own games, they justify the 
> rule in that it reduces the arguments on whether the set was "clean".  This 
> forces the setter to bump set.  Is this done in any other beach tournaments?

Yeah.  Pretty common around here (Michigan) at levels below A.
``If you can hand set, then you should be playing A'' is what most folks will  
tell you.

> Should it be just as easy to spike a bump set, as a hand set?  

No.  Most players can hand set with more accuracy.  Also, a bump set is  
typically done at waist level, whereas a hand set is done at head level, so a  
bump set has to travel a couple of extra feet.  This means the wind has more  
time to screw up a good bump set, the hitter has to wait longer, and the  
defense has more time to adjust.  (For most players, these problems are of  
little consequence compared to the accuracy problem.)

> 
> hodad
> -- 
> 
> Mark Whitwam                   Internet: whitwam@bnr.ca 
> Bell Northern Research         (613) 763-5799
> Ottawa Ont. K1Y 4H7
From: mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Weasner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:03:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <17thg8INNgnv@early-bird.think.com> bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
>In article <5002@news.duke.edu>, lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:  
>|> In article <1992Aug31.133909.25079@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> rsl@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Russell S. Laderer) writes:
>|> >I know this is trivial, but what is the official height for
>|> >men's and women's volleyball nets.

>
>Mens   - 8' 0"
>Womens - 7' 4" (8" lower)
>
Actually, I think that it might be a little bit shorter than that. Some crazy
fraction, like 7' 11 5/8" for mens nets. I know it's not quite 8 feet though. 
Women's nets? No clue. Anyone out there have the ol' USVBA rule book handy?

outty like saudi...
matt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: mike@MicroUnity.com (Mike Dove)
Subject: Re: Question about Karch?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:08:56 GMT

In article <BtxCzz.7J9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:

|> On the beach, Karch uses his jump serve to strike a balance between attacking
|> with the serve and forcing his opponents to sideout - a weak serve is bad,
|> and so is missed serve. Each player has a different philosophy - Johnson,
|> for example, goes for serve his but misses a lot. These different styles are
|> what make sports interesting!

I was down at the Cuervo in Santa Cruz a couple weeks ago, and saw a guy named Jim Rodgers for the first time in person.  I felt he arguably had the toughest or equal to the toughest serves of the weekend.  Funny thing is, he didn't jump serve.  What he did was to toss the ball with forward spin just like he was going to jump serve, but stayed on the ground, wound up, and ripped the ball with top spin over the net.  The effect was it appeared to have more movement (downward and sideways) than the other jum


p serves.  It seemed that simply from the fact he stayed on the ground with his feet planted, he could hit the ball harder, with more top spin, and with more accuracy than a jump serve (where there are more variables).

Occasionally he would toss the ball REAL high (read 30ft).  They were very effective.  I have been playing with this serve with lots of success, much more success than my jump serve... (-;

-- 
Mike Dove					Email: mike@MicroUnity.com
MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.		Phone: 408-734-8100 x314
255 Caspian Way, Sunnyvale, CA			  Fax: 408-734-8136
From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Back Pain!
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Hi all,

After a game of volleyball, the right hand side of my lower back is in pain.
The ammount of pain is usually proportinate to the intensity of my play.  I
spike right handed, and I believe that it is the spiking motion which is causing
the pain.

Has anyone else experienced a similar problem?  Have I over exerted the muscles?
I warm up and stretch but it doesn't seem to help.  Are there any safe excercizes
I can do to strengthen the muscles?

Any advice would be helpful.  Please send e-mail as I don't have much time to
peruse the net.  I'll gladly forward/post what info I get.

Thanks,
Greg  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Subject: Re: Firsthand from Barcelona: Highest Jumper
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:42:38 GMT

The typical international-level player (male) can touch between 11-6 and 11-10.
The exceptional player is at 12-0 or above.

Remember, the vertical jump (e.g. raising your center of gravity) is only part
of the equation.  Standing reach (i.e. long arms) is important as well.

As for raising particular body parts over the net, this is very subjective.
Players with long legs relative to overall height have an advantage of
'getting their shorts near the top', in comparison to players with short legs
relative to overall height, given the same vertical.

It is probably still a fact (it used to be) that the Cuban national team will
not accept anyone who has less than a 40 inch standing vertical jump.  This
is similar (basic physical performance criteria) to the Japanese who (used to)
require a -9 inch flexibility factor (i.e. stand on a bench, bend over and
reach down until your fingertips are 9 inches below the bottom of your feet,
with straight knees)

Rob

---
-legal mumbo jumbo follows-
This mail/post only reflects the opinions of the poster (author), 
and in no manner reflects any corporate policy, statement, opinion,
or other expression by Network Systems Corporation.
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Question about Karch?
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:42:28 PST
Distribution: rec

 rsmith@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Rick Smith) writes:
>  I don't know how many of you saw the Pro Beach Volleyball this
> weekend, but I managed to catch both Saturday's and Sunday's matches.
> This is the first pro beach tournament I've seen, so I was wondering
> about something. Does Karch always hit his jump serves like he did
> this weekend?  I was surprised that he wasn't spanking the jump serve;
> Steffes, Frohoff and Johnson were all hitting their serves much harder
> than Karch.
> 
Rick,
     I've seen Karch live a couple of times this season and yes he generally
doesn't pound the jump serve. However, his placement especially the short
middle and deep middle jump serves are really good. Occasionally he'll really
crank a jump serve if he & Steffes are siding-out well and it is truly an
awesome serve. Karch provides stability to the team because he almost always
gets his jump serve in, whereas Steffes tends to get more aces & errors.
I think that this is probably the weakest part of Karch's game, so I expect it
will improve next season. God help the rest of the AVP.

alex lee
From: abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:34:09 GMT
     <1992Sep2.180151.23370@ll.mit.edu>
Organization: nasa
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3

There are a few things one can do to stop Wall-Banging.
Staying behind the ball is important, but it is just as important to

REACH...REACH...REACH

I have seen any number of young players hitting really hard, with really
crappy form and whistling the ball long.

I have seen tired players who could no longer extend start to sail the
ball long.

Dropping the shoulder of the hitting arm will surely result in a flat
hit, as will just poor form in general.

Also, it is infinitely more important to hit the ball down and in most of
the time rather than hard and out most of the time.  If that is what
causes 90% to be hit out, ease up until your level of consistency
improves.
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:31:45 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <Btv0xH.8AB@news.cs.andrews.edu> lees@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Steve C. Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.171237.228@ns.network.com> robp@landru.network.com writes:
>>In article 5002@news.duke.edu, lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>>>Sender: CRUSH 
>>>Men's net is 8' and I believe the women's is 7'8" (not too sure about
>>>that one).
>>>
>>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>Boy, it sure doesn't.  Both are wrong (although you're close on the men's)
>>
>>Men - 2.43 meters , or 7'11 5/8"
>
>OK, OK  I'm off by about 3/8 of an inch - now tell me if that make one
>bit of difference in volleyball play.  If you can't make your hit go
>over just 3/8 of an inch . . . what the hell are you doing trying to
>hit?

Personally, i don't thing 3/8 of an inch affect a hit at the upper level.
HOWEVER, At lower level, you get a lot of tape shots and believe me,
nothing is as frustating as having a tape shot just roll into your court.

Once again, off by 3/8....WHO CARES!!!!

>By the way, does anybody out there know how to delete a lot of text on
>vi?  I don't mean esc-x, that's too slow.  Thanx
>
Go to the line you want to start deleting, then type the number of lines
to be deleted followed by dd. If you want to delete from a line to end of
file type dG (d shift g)

Serge
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: yoon@meaddata.com (Yoonho Ha)
Subject: OSU's schedule 
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:45:31 GMT
Distribution: usa

I know this has been posted before, but somehow I missed it.  So can someone
repost the Ohio State Volleyball Schedule for this season?

-- 
|Yoonho Ha                       (513) 865-1305| If at first you  |
|Mead Data Central            Data Enhancements| don't succeed,   |
|9555 Springboro Pike         yoon@meaddata.com| redefine success |
|Miamisburg, Ohio 45342 ...!uunet!meaddata!yoon|                  |
|______________________________________________|__________________|
From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: hitting past blocks
Date: 2 Sep 1992 20:56:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: crashnburn

In article <6103@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:

What is a "trap set?"
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...

/**************************88/

A trap set is a set that is very close to the net, and low enough a blocker
can jump up, get his/her hands above and to the sides of the ball (without
touching it) so that the hitter has no chance to hit around the block. I
think most, if not all trap sets result in the hitter getting "roofed".

Ramblin'
From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:55:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.220940.22337@unislc.uucp> mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn) writes:
>Could anyone tell me if you the receiving team is allowed to have a
>double hit on the serve.  If you try to bump the serve and then the ball
>bounces off another part of your body.  Is this allowed or NOT.  Also what
>is the rule on blocking the serve.


>/*************************/

>Mike,

>According to the last issue of the USVBA rules, a double hit is allowed on
>the first team hit on any ball crossing the net (not just the serve) as
>long as no finger action was involved.

>You can't return the ball back to the serving court until it has dropped
>below the plane of the top of the net.

Just to expand this a little, what about setting a serve? I know that in 
the Olympics, World League, etc, they can't set the serve, but I've talked to 
people in high school, park leagues, etc, who insist you can.  At what level
does setting the serve become illegal?
Joe
>Rick
-- 
zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  *   Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a physician!
                       *           -Doctor McCoy, STVIII:The Retirement Home
CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!    *
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: more height--cycling
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

There is a study, done in the CIS, which shows no correlation between a workload
of stationary cycling and an increase in standing vertical jump.

This makes sense, because 1) stationary cycling is a good cardiovascular
exercise, and vertical jumping is anything but, and 2) the muscle groups 
involved in vertical jumping are more complex than in cycling.

The best ways, clinically proven, to increase vertical jumping height (not
to mention balance, landing techniques, quickness, etc.) can be summed up
in three words:  jump, jump, jump.  Jump against resistance (for strength),
like the various forms of water jumping;  jump against gravity, like using
a Russian jump box;  jump against a clock (for endurance), like N jumps
of X height in T seconds (also good for quickness);  jump, then jump some
more, then jump... you get the idea.  

Sport specificity is key here.

Rob
---
-legal mumbo jumbo follows-
This mail/post only reflects the opinions of the poster (author), 
and in no manner reflects any corporate policy, statement, opinion,
or other expression by Network Systems Corporation.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: tsen+@EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen)
Subject: Re: Spiking
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:23:11 GMT

Hi Christopher,

Spiking (as well as passing and serving) can be easily improved 
if you can understand the physics involved, and what you are really
trying to achieve when you are doing it.

1) Goal of a good spike: To transfer the moment of inertia from your
   body to the ball. If you recall from basic physics class:

      M1*V1 = M2*V2, where M1 is the mass of your body and M2 is the
   mass of the ball. One can easily see that the mass of the body is
   much larger than the mass of the ball (that's of reason why some
   skinny guys with a good timing can hit really hard!!!).

2) A good way to practice this "transfer of moment of inertia" is by 
   getting a ball on the volleyball court (not sand) with both hands
   and hit it really hard against the floor (putting "all your weight on the    
   ball"). You will see that the ball will really bounce very high (this would
   be a perfect spike on the 10 feet line). The problem is that we can't
   use our both hands to spike like that (transfer energy from our body to the
   ball) in a real game.

3) From your posting I can assume you can hit the ball hard (you already
   transfer your "weight" to the ball effectivelly). What is probably missing
   when you spike is the use of your wrist. If you go back to physics again,
   you will see clearly why the wrist is so important to give direction to the
   ball (in your case straight down).

4) 
      |O -->                  /O
      |                       |  \
      |                       |   \
      |                       |
  Not using wrist         Using wrist
  the ball goes strait    ball goes down

And the nice thing is the moment of inertia transfered is pretty much the same,
and you still get the same arm extension (which means hitting over the block).

If you don't use wrist, them you will have to use your arm to direct the ball
down to the floor, something like this:
 
                 /O
                /   \
               /     \
              /
   Which will imply less arm extension, and about the same moment of inertia
 transfered to the ball.

Practice some 2) exercises and good spanking.

  - Tsen