From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Eggert vs. Livni
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:54:44 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug12094002@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.004119.9830@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>This is also another old one.  You try to justify Israel's occupation
>of the West Bank by Jordan's occupation.  Consider the West Bank
>Palestinians who have been wronged twice, and the second time around
>you think it's ok.  This is your old tactic of justifying one wrong
>with another.  Sorry, Jake.

If I would try to justify one wrong with another, then I would support
the expulsion of Arabs from Israel, the way Jews were expelled from
Arab lands.  However, I don't so I won't.  Sorry, Eggert.  

>Also, your argument fails in the West Bank, hence the term "Occupied
>Territories", whose plurality you failed to notice.

>>   The term "Occupied Territories" as applied to the West Bank
>
>and Gaza Strip

Don't forget the Golan Heights, and East Jerusalem.  And Haifa, and
Jaffa, and Tel-Aviv and everything that the PLO considers "Occupied"...

>>   has been
>>   and still is prejudicial against Israel.  It would be much more fair
>>   to call it "Disputed Territory".
>
>Occupied they are and occupied they will remain until they are annexed
>or made autonomous.

You are demonstrating my point.  When it was in the hands of Jordan it
was never considered "Occupied Territory", not by Arab states nor by
other countries.  Only Israel is considered guilty of things that
others are not criticized for.  Same for Gaza/Egypt (and you thought
that I had forgotten...)

>I guess I have to be painfully explicit with you.  Construction of
>permanent buildings in occupied land by the occupying forces is
>against the Geneva Convention.  Israel is violating international law
>in the Occupied Territories by its settlements activities.

Then let's send in the UN Forces to stop building by Arabs in all
Territories that are still in dispute and enforce this ban on building
until the disposition of the land in question is complete.  This should
be as effective an incentive for Arabs as for Israelis to advance the
Piece Process.  (pun intended.)

>What lies?  That Israeli terrorism exists is not a lie.  

Only among those who choose to redefine terms like "terrorism" and
even history itself.  You are, I am afraid, not alone in this passion.

>That Israel
>occupies territories in violation of UN resolutions is not a lie.

The UN has not called on Israel to relinquish control of these
territories.  It has called on all parties to the dispute to consider
transfer of land in exchange for peace.  Israel gave up 92% of the
land in question and gained a peace treaty with Egypt which then
threatened to leave Kuwait to the dogs and possibly join Iraq in a war
against Israel if Israel dared retaliate for incoming Scuds.  Boy are
you off key...

>That Israel's activities in the Occupied Territories violate
>international law is not a lie.  

Only if international law ignores the grossly illegal, immoral and
inhumane activities of the Arabs who reside there.  And, of course,
ignoring the context is right up your alley...

>The lie exists in your obfuscatory
>denial of these facts.

"Obfuscatory?"  This from the guy who accuses Israel of "Terrorism"?
You're a laugh, Eggert.

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Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
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