From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Keywords: humbug
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:41:39 GMT
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    <ogorman.713904707@unix1.tcd.ie>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:

>In <1992Aug14.185144.1818@eskimo.celestial.com> alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:

>Bovine Scatology. One does not choose the way one feels, one FEELS the
>way one feels. It's easy to stand outside and say you can feel whatever
>way you like, but try doing it when the world has dropped a ton of shit
>on you and then driven over it in a bulldozer to make sure.

You only got ONE ton of shit dumped on you? You should kiss the ground you
walk on for being so lucky, especially since the bulldozer only ran over 
you once. My best ideas and feelings came shortly after my last (and most
painful) dreag through hell. Some people seem to take great pride in the
"Oh yeah? Well I'll show all you bastards! I'll REFUSE to be miserable!"
Kind of like going on a hunger strike or something, though.. 
1) Who do you think you're kidding? and
> 
>>A: There is a terrible situation that I cannot change.
>>B: There are a lot of people a heck of a lot worse of than I am  (maybe not
>>   the majority but even 1% worse off is 100's of millions of people)
>>C: Why don't I stop moping around in this pool of self pity and get over it.
>Again shite. I should be happy cause things might be worse. Give me a
>break. When your heart has been ripped out you sort of lack that kind of
>objectivity, compriS?
Ripped out, eh? Well,to borrow a phrase from a very sincere female vocalist,
"who needs a heart when a heart can be broken?" If they didn't rip your brain
out along with your heart, you still have the capacity to make an objective
comparison. 

>Amazing how insulting implying someone is desperately clinging to a
>false belief because they can't handle reality is, isn't it?

Incredible. If I had a dollar for every person that told me: 
"I was in such a rut until I discovered Jesus."
"Oh really? Where did you find him? Flying next to the pink elephant? Better
call Jerusalem.. I'm sure they have a few questions to ask the pathetically
deranged carpenter.." 
No doubt, the thoughts and some sentiments in religion are very soothing.
The promise of a better place after death is very comforting to many people.
The thought of a harmonious world is very comforting to all, but I'm afraid
the Bible is just a load of shit. The promise goes unfulfilled.

>>   Yeah, bummer.  I know that wall.  When you crash into it, it really
>>hurts.
>>   I wish I could tell you ways around it.  I cant.  All I can say is
>>that there are things you haven't tried.  And there are other ways of
>>looking at things.  And you can give negative things less importance
>>and give positive things more importance.  Even though it doesn't feel
>>like it sometimes you really do choose how you feel and how you react
>>to events around you.

>Among the things I haven't tried are murder and suicide. Are you
>suggesting I do so? Your belief system is very amusing..."I will assign
>this experience this value...". So logical and precise and doomed.
 
I used to be logical and precise.. I must admit that I was never depressed
then..

>Control the circumstances beyond your control? *laughter* 

Depends on how wide your vision is.. Is the fact that most people around you
are roaming life blithely ignorant and deluded beyond your control? Not
really.. All depends on how far you're willing to go, really. Will you
(I will) take it upon yourself to make the world a perfect place? No? Then
don't say it's because of your limited capacity. Just say it's because you
didn't try. :)

>>   It all depends on your definition of success.  Everyone can sure
>>live an ok, fairly comfortable life that way.

>And can have 3.78 kids, a loving wife, a dog, a house, a divorce, a
>custody battle, a retirement, a pension and death. Not my definition of
>success. Sorry dude.

How about a loving dog, the sun, the sea and the sky. Your kids are bound
to be ungrateful, your wife is too demanding (and expensive), a divorce
will only make you poorer, who wants the snotty-nosed little brats who 
think they know it all anyway, retirement only means you're glad to be
through working like a cog in the monstrous empty wheel life, and the pension
won't buy back anything you've missed out on. Oh yes, I forgot..
The house will only keep you from the sun who warms you, the sea that feeds
and comforts you, and the sky that fills you with life. Just a thought I had. :)

>>   Nobody can escape their circumstances.  That doesn't mean that
>>circumstances need to have so much control over you that you are merely
>>a puppet having your feelings and actions totally controlled by situations
>>and others around you.  That is hardly an intelligent response.  I'll
>>say it again.  You choose how you react to your stituation in life.  You
>>choose how you respond to the actions of others.  You choose how you feel.

>Ok. I'll say it again too. Bull. Mostly. 

Sort of.. You DO choose how you feel about this and that, and you can affect
your own emotions.. But you can choose to ignore things too. It's like 
cowering, really, but it works for most people.

>Ollie/Lucifuge...
>'White collared knights at boardroom tables, 
> Spin their own financial fables,
> Fight to make their interests larger,
> Mounted on their credit charges...'

That and fifty cents will get them a Coke.
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