From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:45:37 GMT
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In article <1992Nov14.002616.8253@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
|> In article <1e16aoINNedf@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain  
|> (Xiang Zhou) writes:
|> > In article <1992Nov13.195651.983@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
|> > |> In article <1992Nov13.122657@IASTATE.EDU> zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)  
|> > |> writes:
|> > |> > I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the  
|> fact 
|> > |> > that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this.  
|> When
|> > |> > Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept  
|> for
|> > |> > his death. My parent wept at home. I don't think this was only to show  
|> to 
|> > |> > anybody. 
|> > |> 
|> > |> I don't think Chinese really loved him. They just used this event to  
|> express  
|> > |> their unsatisfactory and anger towards the government then. I don't think  
|> a lot  
|> > |> of Chinese have a clear idea about what a particular leader/senior  
|> government  
|> > |> official is. Take Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang for example. Many Chinese did  
|> not  
|> > |> like them until they died or stepped down. Zhao was first attacked by  
|> students  
|> > |> for curruption. Later, he is miraculously supported by the students and  
|> others.
|> > |> So, it is the goverment and system that people dislike. As long as you are  
|> > |> kicked out of that system, people start to show sympathy and support.
|> > |> 
|> > |> Similar things are happening in Russia too.
|> > |> 
|> > |> > Is it really because his unselfish that he was loved, revered ? I don't  
|> think
|> > |> > this is the only answer. As I know, In the Red Army year, Zhou was head  
|> of 
|> > |> > "Te4 Ke1", whose task is to execute traitors and sabotage. Nixon gave  
|> some
|> > |> > viewpoint about Zhou in his famous book. One character of Zhou, I think  
|> there
|> > |> > will be little doubt, is cunning.
|> > |> > I will appreciate it if anyone can contribute more about Zhou.
|> > |> > 
|> > |> 
|> > |> I feel pity for Zhou. He was abused by Mao. He lived like a dog.
|> > |> 
|> > |> Carl
|> >   
|> >    I guess Mr. Carl always likes to abuse a dog (maybe in many many ways),  
|> because
|> > someone was abused, he then thinks that he lived like a dog. Tell the  
|> netters, 
|> > how many dogs you have abused and how ? I guess I am closer to the point to
|> > understand Carl. 
|> 
|> 
|> Zhou Enlai was born a wolf and then turned into a dog by Mao (like some other  
|> Mao's comrades).
|> 
|> It's a tragedy that some wolves were changed into dogs thousands of years ago.   
|> Since then, not a single dog can escape it's fate of being abused. You may see  
|> people kiss their dogs and feed them with various dog-food. This may lead you  
|> to think that these dogs live happily. Just dream on. Maybe someday you would  
|> even like to live like these "lucky" dogs (I hope you wouldn't).
|> 
|> Unfortunately, since I don't like pet, I don't have a chance to abuse a dog.  
|> But if you like, you can be the first one and I will buy you the best food I  
|> can economically afford (just kidding). Now, do you finally come closer to my  
|> point, my genius?
|> 
|> Carl
|> 
|> P.S.: I tried hard not to offend you. In fact, my previous post seems none of  
|> your business. I don't know why I made you uncomfortable and start attacking  
|> me. No hard feeling please.


    Not at all. Acturally, I anticipated all the stuff you are saying here and
am glad I made a correct prediction. From your postings, especially this one
and last, I can tell your abusive character and weakness. These two things
are very related. Maybe you were born an angel, somehow you were turned into
what you are now, I wouldn't call you a dog, a wolf, a fly or a mosquito (maybe
this one is somehow suitable for you), I just want to make a diagnosis of you and
find a treatment, so that I don't have to see more garbage you dispose on this
net. 
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