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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Dolphins
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:20:16 GMT

Well as expected the Fins signed fullback Tony Paige Sunday. He signed
a 3-year contract worth about $2.5M. Base salaries are $700k, $800k,
and, of course, $900k plus incentives.

The weekend has been kind of bad for Miami as you all are probably
aware. The fact that Miami just got hit by Andrew and that New Orleans
probably will tonight or tomorrow morning has left each club
considering a number of alternatives to the scheduled game. One is
just calling off the game period so the Saints players would be able
to remain with their families and homes. The Dolphins called off
practice and meetings Sunday and Monday and as of Monday no decision
had been made regarding today's practice. 

The Fins are supposed to cut their roster to 62 today, and they are
expected to meet the deadline. The only problem might be notifying
affected players. 

About 20 Dolphin players and their families and pets (as well as tim,
Dan, and Janet Robbie and their families) rode out the hurricane in
the JRS locker rooms under the field-lever stands. Included in the
group was unsigned lb David Griggs, who evacuated his family from
their coastal haome and joined the team for the night. 

As of now I have no idea if their will be a game Thursday night. Does
anyone else have any idea?

Good luck to the Saints players, their families, and for that matter
everyone else in Andrew's path.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: NFC East....What's in Store for Week 1
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:31:05 GMT

Finally, the regular season is ready to start.....

Here is an excerpt for the Washington Post's "NFL Report" column about
NFC East week 1 games.....

Redskins at Cowboys:

Redskins by 2.  Super Bowl champion Redskins have been unimpressive in
preseason but should be up for early NFC East clash with rival
Cowboys.  Teams have split games last four seasons but Cowyboys lead
series, 35-27-2.  Washington Coach Joe Gibbs is 5-6 in season openers.
WR Michael Irvin (led NFL in receiving yeards) and C Mark Stepnoski
remain holdouts for Cowboys, who are coming off first playoff
appearance since 1985.


49ers at Giants:

49ers by 3.5.  Giants lead series 14-11 including playoffs, winning
last season, 16-14.  49ers won six straight to end 1991 and finished
undefeated in the preseason for the second straight year.  LB Tim
Harris will be counted on for pass rush after trade of Charles Haley.
Giants have won last four season openers.  QB Steve Young starts for
49ers.  Pay Handley has not decided between Phil Simms and Jeff
Hostetler, who hurt his back in preseason.


Cardinals at Buccaneers

Bucaneers by 1.5.  Timm Rosenbach (16 TD passes in 1990) returns at
quarterback after missing last season with knee injury.  Cardinals
lead series, 6-4, and have won three straignt at Tampa.  Sam Wyche
debuts as coach of Buccaneers, who haven't made playoffs since 1982.


Saints at Eagles

Eagles by 3.5.  Game matches NFL's top two defenses from last season.
Saints have won four of last five meetings but Eagles are 5-2 at home
in series.  QB Randall Cunningham (271 of 465 for 3,466 yards,
NFC-best 30 TDs in 1990) returns after missing 15 games last season
with bad knee.  Eagles traded for Leon Seals to bolster defensive line
(Jerome Brown died in car accident).


Can't wait for Monday night......

schalene
From: jeffyg@hurricane.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey Wayne Geist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Michael Smith and the Chiefs
Date: 31 Aug 1992 12:48:36 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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Prior to the Chiefs game vs. Indianapolis, Michael Smith was cut.  Thats a shame!
Michael Smith was the number 1 receiver in Kansas State history and second in the Big 8
only to Hart Lee Dykes of Oklahoma State.   Michael can make it with a team in the NFL.
He catches anything close to him.  He may be fairly slow, but he runs precise patterns.
Look for him to make a mark this season with some team.

-- 
Alright, you asked for it!  This is the Jeff Geist .sig file.  
Isnt it a bute?
From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Any news/expectations on...
Date: 3 Sep 1992 23:23:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
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In a previous article, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) says:

>
>Any info/expectations/injury notes on the following players:

>RB L. Hoard, CLEV

Hoard has been practicing and should play some on Sunday.

Alex
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers : Pollard, Sydney gone
Date: 2 Sep 1992 00:53:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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The three best players of those placed on waivers by the 49ers were
all claimed by other teams. 
- Darryl Pollard, cornerback, went to Tampa Bay. 
	This was the worst decision by the Niners. They wanted Pollard 
	to take a paycut of about $ 200,000 down from about $ 650,000. 
	Pollard, who was the starting left corner in 90 was on IR in 91 
	and was competing with Hanks and Davis for the starting LCB spot. 
	The 49ers are weakest in the secondary and with Kevin Lewis
	hurt and the Falcons playing 4 WR sets, they are going to
	be in deep trouble if one other corner goes down. 

- Harry Sydney, fullback, went to Green Bay.
	Geez, Green Bay is picking up every little thing they can
	get from the Niners. Though I'm rooting for Holmgren, this is
	getting rather annoying. Sydney well be missed for his special
	teams effort, but Marc Logan (who was protected in lieu of 
	Pollard) should be able to fill in.

- Todd Bowles, safety, went back to Washington. 
	There really wasn't room for him with Hall, Gash, and Whitmore.

Players re-signed after being put on waivers
	WR Odessa Turner, LB's Reggie McKenzie and Martin Harrison
	(I'd rather see Seay as th e4th wideout instead of Turner, who 
	didn't even make the _Giants_ protected list, for heavens sake)

Players put on the practice squad :
	WR Mark Seay (yeay!), DL Mat LaBounty, CB Johnny Holland and DL
	David Wilkins

Players put on (4 week) IR: 
	QB Joe Montana, WR Ron Lewis, HB Dexter Carter, TE Wesley Walls

Player claimed from other teams
	CB Alan Grant from Indianapolis (can't we just have Pollard back?)

Holdout Keith DeLong is apparently ready to sign a 1-year contract 
sometime today. The NIners might also put DL Mark Thomas and CB Kevin
Lewis on IR and they still don't have a punter (who needs a punter ?)

Ashu Rege
From: brian@elara.mitre.org (Brian Toothman)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.112155.27660@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
|> Ronald D Rodabaugh (rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
|> :      Concerning realignment in the NFL, I have just one question: WHY?
|> :      These teams play ONCE A WEEK, for 16 games. Does it really matter that 
|> : Phoenix has to go east four times a year every year? Is it really going to be 
|> : that much cheaper for the NFL to realign geographically? NO.
|> 
|> Isn't that eight times? I though each team in each division played the
|> other teams within the same division TWICE..
|> 
|>   +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
|>   |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
|>   |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
|>   |                                        | Australia                     |
|>  
Of course what Kevin meant to say was not that Phoenix has to go to the
east eight times but that the other 4 NFC EAST teams have to go west 4
times too.  

But that is not really the point.  The point is there are only 16 games a year
and realignment should not really be an issue.  For example look at this
year where the NFC EAST takes on the AFC WEST.  Now in this case
Phoenix will have the cheapest travel bill when they play those teams.

-- 

Brian M. Toothman -- brian@elara.mitre.org

1990 World Champions -- The Cincinnati Reds
Do it again in '92
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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: Best RB
Keywords: Best RB Thomas Smith Sanders 
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:11:47 GMT

In article <Derek_Juntunen.07f9@abcd.Houghton.MI.US>,
Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
|>Who is the best running back in the NFL?
|>
|>Some people would say Thurman Thomas because of his great
|>ability to run & recieve.  
|>
|>Some people would say Barry Sanders because of his sweet
|>moves that make oppenents tackle air.  He hasn't been
|>able to prove himself recieving yet.  This season will
|>be his chance.
|>
|>Some people would say Emmit Smith because...well, I have
|>no idea.  Maybe because he won the rushing title by few
|>yards?  True, but Thomas played one less game than him.
|>And Sanders had ALOT fewer rushes.
|>
|>Here's my oppinion:
|>
|>1.  Barry Sanders and Thurman Thomas - A tie!
|>2.  Emmit Smith
|>3.  ?
|>
|>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
|>                         

	I have to agree with the above to a degree. Until T. Thomas
can prove he doesn't still have the attitude problem (despite donations
to charities) I would rank them :
1)	B. Sanders
2)	T. Thomas
3)	E. Smith

	Note-> I was born in Buffalo (attended every home game when juice ran
for 2003 in '73) and currently live in Dallas. So for me to rank anyone
above Dallas & Buffalo players say's something about how impressive they
must be.

		jeffh@bnr.ca
		nuke
p.s.
	Could someone followup,flame,correct spelling, anything to
let me know if this really reached the world?




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From: pichocki@nbrwh34.bnr.ca (Stephen Pichocki)
Subject: Steelers Starting QB - Who Is HE??
Organization: Northern Telecom, Bramalea, Canada
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 20:53:58 GMT

Who is going to be the starting QB for the Steelers??

Regards,

Stephen Pichocki
Northern Telecom
Customer Service Marketing
Software Services
BUS   (416) 452-2391  FAX   (416) 452-4783   ESN   333-2391
Internet:  pichocki@bnr.ca
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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: Bill Bidwill
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:41:53 GMT

In article <55945@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ
Smith) writes:
>Well if the minor blurb in my local paper is correct, Bill bidwill has
>once again shown why is the biggest jerk to own a team in the NFL. 
>Every NFL team cut down to 47 players yesterday, including the Phoenix
>Cardinals owned by Bidwill. 27 teams announced their cuts which appear
>in the transaction section of the sports page, 1 team(guess which one)
>sent their 47 man roster to the NFL but made no public announcement,
>and did NOT notify the players yet as to who is on the final 47 man
>roster!
>
>I'm sure the official version is along the lines of not needing to notify
>anybody but the NFL, or hoping to hide a cut so they can bring the player
>back, but if the story was true that even the players don't know yet(the
>story quoted a backup center as saying the players were "in the dark"
>so it appears they weren't notified yet). 
>
>Its hard enough to be a Card fan when they lose year after year, have botched
>so many #1 draft picks, bungle contract negotiations, etc., but this 
>appears to be a case of simply not giving a damn about the players.
>I put the blame on Bidwill moreso than on Bugel or Larry Wilson, because
>he is the man with all the power on this club.
>
 	Speaking of bad picks, whatever happened to the guy they drafted in 90 or
'91, the DL that never played in college?  Wasn't he the sixth pick overall?  I
even forgot his name.

Bill Perry



>I really hope this story turns out to be false and just a misunderstanding,
>because I would really hate to think that the Cards care that little about
>their players that they would make the final cuts and not notify the 
>affected players right away.
>
>
>
>
>Russ Smith
>*******************************************************************************

>"A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather, and ask
>for it back again when it begins to rain."
>                                          Robert Frost
>*******************************************************************************
*
>
>
>
>
>
From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lions News
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:58:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Aug29.195847.16606
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU

In article <92241.021633343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant
<343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>If the Lion's were even half-way intelligent,  they would trade
>Rodney Pete before he becomes dead weight.  Yeah he's probably the
>best the Lions have right now,  but with the way Kramer performed last
>season,  and the way he single-handly destroyed the Cowboys last year in
>the playoffs (OUCH!),  he would make a great starter.  Ware has rode the
>bench since his arrival.  They're paying him too much money to ride the
>bench much longer.  He has no track record,  so he's not Trade bait.  Long
>has bounced his way back to Detroit.  He'd be luckey if anyone else picked
>him up for a 2nd stringer.  Pete is the best trade bait for 2 reasons.
>1) unless you find a steal (Walker for half the Vikings team),  you're not
>going to get any outstanding players for garbage.  Ware or Long won't bring
>much home.
>2) Pete is Injury prone.  He was in college,  and nothing has changed in
>the pros.  Trade him and let him ride IR for half the season on someone else's
>team.
>
>
	If I were the Lions I'd never trade Peete.  Ask the Eagles how important
backups are, if they had a quality 3rd string QB they would have been in the
playoffs.  With both Peete and Kramer the Lions have two quality starters, a
position many other teams would like to be.  The reason Ware has not played
more is not because of Peete or Kramer, but because he stinks.  All those
excuses given for his performance are just that, excuses.  If I were the Lions
I'd trade him before his stock drops anymore, and use Long as the 3rd string.

Bill Perry
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:35:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <2355@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>
>Oh, come on.  Anybody whose team has had Walker knows that that is
>stupid.  Herschel stopped trying because he's an ASS.  He doesn't give
>a shit about anything except himself.  I can't fault him for that as


>My prediction for this season -- Herschel will be a 1,000 yard rusher,
>or at least near it.  Next season, 400-500.  And the next, on the way to
>a new team, for whom he will undoubtedly play the exact same way:  try
>just hard enough so the team will cough up big bucks, and then coast
>until dumped.  Of course, this season, when he's playing well to show
>everyone that the Vikings made a mistake in trading him, he's probably
>going to help the Eagles to the Super Bowl, and that PISSES THE HELL
>OUT OF ME.

What in the world is this slander based on?  He certainly didn't seem
to slack off in his efforts at Dallas; in fact, he maintained some
connections in the city itself because he had tried to become a part
of the community, working with children and such.

Now, he did seem to play with less enthusiasm after a while with the
Vikes, but I think that was just a bad scene all the way around.  To
generalize from his performance with one team seems pretty specious.
He left the NJ Generals because, although he was making *great* bucks
with them, they weren't going to last long.

He was traded by Dallas not because of poor performance (although he talked
about staying in football for only a couple more years) but because
Dallas could get a great number of players for just one.


Gary Beason
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Class (Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:37:17 GMT
Summary: Buddy's Gone

In article <1053@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.061847.5761@ncsu.edu> (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> >  ... I happen to like Philadelphia not because
> >  they are in the NFC East, but because I admire their CLASS. CAPICHE?
> 
> There have been a lot of descriptive terms pinned on the Eagles, but "class"
> ain't one of them. Can you say "Buddy" or "Andre"? I knew you could...

Can you say, "Bud", as in Carson?  "Rich Kotite?"  "Reggie White?"
"Jerome Brown?"

In case you haven't heard, Buddy Ryan isn't with the Eagles anymore.  And
how many times has Andre Waters been suspended for using those classy
illegal substances like that hall-of-fame linebacker on your fave team?  


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: jack1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (john.fijolek)
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:26:34 GMT

In article <37416@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

> early, a sign of declining skills of a center. Quite a few players
> make it to the pro-bowl on reputation alone every year. [flame suit OFF].
> 
I liked Jay Hilgenberg BUT he is 32, he has injury problems, AND I think
he (like Neil Anderson) made the Pro Bowl on reputation more than
performance last year. Look at the way Ball manhandled him in the Detroit
game last year, his brother Joel is a better center.

I didn't like the idea of trading him for so little but I think that the 
Bears were trying to give him a break by letting him go rather than 
sitting him out the whole year.

BTW, A local sports station (SCORE) started a controversy by taking
some of Harbaugh's comments out of context and playing them for
Hilgenberg and MacMahon. The comments were basically that Harbaugh
likes Fontenot as a center better than Hilgenberg. The context was
that after praising Hilgenberg and saying he wished Jay was with them,
Fontenot, because he is taller, is easier to take a snap from. Anyway
the way Hilgenberg and MacMahon both ripped into Harbaugh, I think the
QB is better off without having him as his center. Hilgy was definitely
buds with Mac and Tzak and consequently down on Harbaugh when they were
all competing. I wouldn't want a guy who hated my guts as the only
person between me and an hungry nose tackle:-)

jack
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bears sign Perry
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:07:50 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Just saw this on ESPN: The Bears have signed William Perry,
who weighed in at 322lbs a couple of days ago.
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Dallas *ices* the 49'ers (or not?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:32:11 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug27.154559.22300@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>THE TRADE:  Charles Haley of the 49'ers to Dallas for a #2 pick and a
>conditional pick.  The #2 pick next year is guaranteed, and the 49'ers
>have the option of swapping #1 and #3 picks in 1993.  If they do not
>exercise this option, they will receive the Cowboy's #3 selection in
>1994.  No first found pick is involved outright (the 49'ers will not
>get a #1 without giving up a #1).
>
>THE STATS: LB/DE extrordinaire, former defensive MVP (1990), 3 time
>probowler, 49'ers sack leader last season (tied), 2nd among sackers in
>the past 3 years (33.5 behind R.White's 41).  16 sacks in 1990.
>
>Comments?

Yes, I can't believe the 49ers did this. Haley is better than L. Taylor
(now that Taylor is getting old) and I couldn't see anyone giving up
LT for such a cheap price. Can't believe the 49ers did either!!!! Maybe
there was something to that knee surgery rumor.

Still, it is sad to see one of the key components of the 49ers defense
go. Defense is looking to be a real weak point with the 49ers this season.


For that Dallas fan who proposed a trade of Novacek for a #1 & #3 pick.
Well, great pass rushers generally command a lot more than tight ends, so
if all the 49ers could get was a #2, I doubt people would give up that
much for a tight end.


Tom Wolf (wonders what are the 49ers doing?)


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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SHOCKING PREDICTIONS!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:41:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Aug25.232155.18931@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>
>>Cleveland
>     Before this year's preseason, I would have agreed IF you could show me
>that Houston is due to collapse because of age.  Now, even if the Oilers go
>9-7 I think they can win.
>     A guy on Cleveland Freenet picks the Browns to go 12-4 and win the
>Super Bowl.  That was before their loss to the Vikings.

I would have to agree with you.  The Oilers don't look to me like they'll
collapse (I said they would within a few years), and that Richardson is
pretty darn tough if Moon does get hurt.  If they don't win the Central, it
will be one of the biggest disappointments in years.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 02:16:33 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lions News

If the Lion's were even half-way intelligent,  they would trade
Rodney Pete before he becomes dead weight.  Yeah he's probably the
best the Lions have right now,  but with the way Kramer performed last
season,  and the way he single-handly destroyed the Cowboys last year in
the playoffs (OUCH!),  he would make a great starter.  Ware has rode the
bench since his arrival.  They're paying him too much money to ride the
bench much longer.  He has no track record,  so he's not Trade bait.  Long
has bounced his way back to Detroit.  He'd be luckey if anyone else picked
him up for a 2nd stringer.  Pete is the best trade bait for 2 reasons.
1) unless you find a steal (Walker for half the Vikings team),  you're not
going to get any outstanding players for garbage.  Ware or Long won't bring
much home.
2) Pete is Injury prone.  He was in college,  and nothing has changed in
the pros.  Trade him and let him ride IR for half the season on someone else's
team.

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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: Bills vs K.C.
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:37:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.124601.19480@icf.hrb.com> jwc@icf.hrb.com (John W. Cieply) writes:
>
>It's ONLY preseason. The game meant Nothing! I think the Bills have only won
>at most 5 preseason games in the last 5 years. They use the preseason the way
>it should be used, to evaluate the perfomance of players they plan to help 
>during season. You will not see the REAL Bills team until the Season starts.
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well you know what they say, "All good things must come to an end."  ;-)

-- Thad Crews
-- 
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