From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Separation vs. integration (Was Re: The European Community Blackmailed by Greece)
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:28:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.161018.14257@news.nd.edu>,
ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

|>In article <tahonen.26@katk.Helsinki.FI> tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI
|>(Timo Ahonen) writes:
|>>
|>>Are serious about your claims that after a few years Slovaks will
|>want to 
|>>rejoin with Czecks and the "Soviet Union" will reform from the
|>present CIS 
|>>states? You make it sound like economy is and has been the only
|>reason for 
|>>the indenpendence of the new states, and if it fails there's no
|>reason for 
|>>the continuation of the independence. I'd take it as an insult to the
|>newly-
|>>independent nations. According to your logic Eire should never have 
|>>separated from Britain. Should she now rejoin the UK?
|>>
|>
|>Firstly, a correction.  Eire is a Gaelic word and is oncorrect (in
|>Irish
|>courts, anyway) when used in an English sentence.  

It's what the country calls itself. The English language is known for
it's ability to absorb such foriegn words as `bungalow' which you would
have known wer you au fait with it. The Irish courts are not an arbiter
of the English language.

|>Ireland is preferred.

Nope, Not in this context, we prefer that you use anything but the
language of appologists for murder and hatred.

Ireland has not separated from the UK, it was partitioned, Southern
Ireland is not a country, Eire is.

Given the logic of the original poster, once we have got shot of Ulster
they will immediately set up shop as a separate country. The Protestant
terrorists would probably try at the very least, they have threatened as
much.

|>But, Ireland was relatively denuded of wealth by Britain in the 19th
|>century.  

Cue ethnic Irish-American sob story which ends up as the justification
for blowing the kneecaps of 16 year old kids for joyriding and murdering
17 year old girls.

|>No industry was ever developed, except in the Northeast
|>that Britain still occupies.

Not occupies, remains part of the UK because the people in the north a)
vote in referendum after referendum to remain so, and b) because the
protestant terrorists threatened a bloodbath at the time of separation
and the cabinet were weak kneed.

When do we get to vote in GB to see if we want to keep them?

|>  Agriculture on vast estates owned by
|>absentee British landlords was the main industry, and while 1 million
|>people dies of famine in Ireland in the 1840's, Ireland remained a 
|>net exporter of food - grain that was the landlord's rent.

More blub stories, in case you didn't realise, at the time the British
empire covered a quarter of the globe and the English upper classes
didn't have it in for Ireland exclusively. They never asked the British
people about any of it either. However despite this Ulick will try to
make it appear that over a hundred years later, after becomming a
democracy and after the upper classes were brought down to size by
Llloyd George, that the UK is still the evil empire and that there is
nothing the british like to do better than have a pleasant evening by
the fire torturing a young Irish child with a branding Iron.

But don't think by this that I am in favour of NI remaining in the UK.
The sooner we are shot of the lot of them the better. Time for GB to
declare UDI and parachute out of the Union.


Phill Hallam-Baker

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