HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ai118@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Zidonis)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: List of Mailing Lists
Date: 4 Sep 1992 20:51:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai118@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Zidonis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) says:

>Written in article <laa0n2INN5q1@aludra.usc.edu>
> by summers@usc.edu (Chanel Summers):
>
>:
>: Where can I ftp the latest list of Internet mailing lists?
>
>From the list of mailing lists itself:
>
>> Steven Bjork at the Network Information Systems Center maintains a
>> list of mailing lists that exist primarily on the Internet.  That list
>> overlaps this one in a few places, but the lists are largely distinct.
>> A copy of that list may be obtained by anonymous ftp from the site
>> ftp.nisc.sri.com (192.33.33.22) in the file "netinfo/interest-groups".
>> To add or delete an entry to that list, mail to
>> interest-groups-request@nisc.sri.com.
>
>Also:
>
>> interest-groups
>>     Contact: nnsc.nsf.net (128.89.1.178)
>> 
>>     Purpose: There is a document, "interest-groups", that can be
>>     obtained by anonymous ftp from nnsc.nsf.net.  The document contains 
>>     a listing of most, if not all, of the current mailing lists.
>
>Cheers!
>
>-- 
>The Chipmunk.
>Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
>Stult's Report: Our problems are mostly behind us.  What we have to do 
>now is fight the solutions.
>

also, a 'list of mailing lists' is available from newsgroup
news.announce.newusers
-- 
Rich

bitnet    ai118%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Internet: ai118@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: news.answers,rec.games.video
From: pagli@spanish.chspr.ubc.ca (Nino Pagliccia)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: test
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: pagli@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: Centre for Health Services & Policy Res.


 test test test
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: root@pride386.PP.COM (Super user)
Subject: map update
Organization: Pride Plastics
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:11:47 GMT



#N	pride386
#S	G386K-33;SCO Xenix 2.3.3
#O	Pride Plastics
#C	Terry Lyons
#E	pride386!terry
#T	+1 714 739 7102
#P	6320 Caballero,	Beuna Park, CA 90620
#L	33 49 40 N	/ 117 56 37 W
#R 	will pass newfeeds
#U	uunet, wilbur, ttank, lawnet
#W	terry@pride386 (Terry Lyons); Wed Sep  2 08:11:28 PDT 1992
#
pride386 = .PP.COM
pride386 = pride386.PP.COM
pride386	alphacm(DIRECT+FAST),  conexch(DEMAND),
	dhw68k(DIRECT+FAST), <foodman>(DIRECT), stanton(DIRECT+LOW), 
	ttank(DEMAND+FAST), uunet((DAILY+FAST)/2), zardoz(DIRECT),
	lawnet(DEMAND+FAST), mts(POLLED), pca54(DEMAND+FAST),
	microeg(DAILY), odetics(DEMAND+FAST), wilbur(DEMAND+FAST),
	qst1(DEMAND+LOW)
From: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Map update: u.usa.md.1
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:46:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Update to entry for gizmonic.uucp follows:

#N      gizmonic
#S      compaq 386/msdos 5.0/waffle 1.64
#O      personal/public mail and news system
#C      cs thomas
#E      gizmonic!postmaster
#T      +1-301-695-4059/7930
#P      8 college ave, frederick, md 21701
#L      39 25 15 n / 77 25 15 w
#R      Limited UUCP -- 2:00-8:00am 
#W      gizmonic!csthomas (cs Thomas); Sun Aug 23 12:48 EDT 1992
#U 
#  Gizmonic talks to... 
#  FAST denotes Trailblazer+ (PEP) links
#
gizmonic devon(DAILY*2+FAST), anomaly(DEMAND+FAST)




8 college ave        | inet: bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu     | Happy, happy
frederick, md  21701 | uucp: rutgers!devon!gizmonic!csthomas |   joy, joy.
               
          
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: heinau@Groucho.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE (Vera Heinau)
Subject: Re: These map updates..
Reply-To: admin@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:05:12 GMT

mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell) writes:

>In article <Bt700J.C71@wm-mercer.ca>, carrollj@wm-mercer.ca (Jim Carroll) writes:
>> In article <l8vqinINNcmv@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>> >In article <l8vncaINNbkc@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu 
>> >(Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>> >> Where is there a list of what the #x fields in the map updates represent?
>> >
>> >I've already gotten a mail response that probably indicates my misfortune in  
>> >choosing "x" to be my "wildcard".. I was wondering what ALL of the # lines  
>> >represent?  Is there a published list somewhere?
>> 
>> Yup.  Try Managing UUCP and Usenet, by O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
>> (ISBN# 0-937175-93-5)
>
>Is that the only place? Seems strange to have the only info. in a book.

No. It is published by the UUCP Mapping Project in comp.mail.maps. Unfortu-
nately this article is expired at our site so I can't give you the exact
Subject: line, but it has "README" in it :-) (we are archiving the unshared
articles only and there is no hint to the original Subject: line).
As the articles from comp.mail.maps are stored on many ftp servers you may
retrieve them there (try file README[.Z] in the directory ~ftp/[uu]map[s]).

Vera

-- 
 |~|    Vera Heinau     (+49 30 8382677)  |  Freie Universitaet Berlin 
 / \    heinau@Harpo.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE  |  heinau@methan.chemie.fu-berlin.de
/FUB\   Institut fuer Kristallographie    |  Institut fuer Organische Chemie
`---'   D-1000 Berlin 33, Takustr. 6      |  D-1000 Berlin 33, Takustr. 3
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: mark@lowton.rn.com (Mark Powell)
Subject: Re: These map updates..
Organization: Mark-one Communications
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:41:40 GMT


In article <Bt700J.C71@wm-mercer.ca>, carrollj@wm-mercer.ca (Jim Carroll) writes:
> In article <l8vqinINNcmv@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> >In article <l8vncaINNbkc@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu 
> >(Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> >> Where is there a list of what the #x fields in the map updates represent?
> >
> >I've already gotten a mail response that probably indicates my misfortune in  
> >choosing "x" to be my "wildcard".. I was wondering what ALL of the # lines  
> >represent?  Is there a published list somewhere?
> 
> Yup.  Try Managing UUCP and Usenet, by O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
> (ISBN# 0-937175-93-5)

Is that the only place? Seems strange to have the only info. in a book.

> >-------------
> >Paul Hagstrom (hagstrop@carleton.edu)
> Jim Carroll - carrollj@wm-mercer.ca
-- 
Mark Powell

mark@lowton.rn.com				Home:	+44 942 714317
uunet!ibmpcug!jshark!lowton!mark		Nr. Manchester, UK.
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:33:51 GMT

In article <3761@ecicrl.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>Really?  I guess I must have missed all those horrible victims of free
>>expression.  Where are they?
>
>I can think of about 60 million without trying very hard.  Nazi Germany
>is an ideal example of where, long before Hitler came into power and
>could *force* his views, what this type of speech could result in.

It wasn't the speech that killed 60 million people, it was the gas chambers.
Hitler came to power because of 10 years of grinding poverty imposed on
the German people while the rest of the world was prospering, as the result
of Kaiser Wilhelm losing World War I, and the short-sightedness and stupidity
of the Allies in expecting Germany to "pay for the war". Then came the
depression and more years of grinding poverty. At that point the German
people listened to Hitler because he was the only one saying what they
wanted to hear, "Germany for the Germans". It was more economic and
political than anything else. The racist stuff came later, *after*
the fascist, censoring, repressive government was already in power.

>The KKK is another example.  Allowing their freedom of speech, no
>matter what they say hasn't resulted in opposing speech causing it
>to die out

So what?

>, no, they just keep coasting along, ebbing and flowing,
>and killing people along the way.

The killing is punishable, the speech is not, unless they are inciting
someone to commit a crime, and that has been ruled *not* to be protected
speech on numerous occasions by the courts.

>A reasonable anti-hate law
>would have a better chance at keeping their numbers smaller.

How do you know that the effect of this wouldn't simply be fewer 
speeches and more killings and cross burnings? One thing that *is* sure is that
giving the government the freedom to censor certain kinds of
speech is a fatal mistake. Eventually it will get to the point where anyone
that disagrees with the government will be prosecuted under these laws.
If you don't believe me, look what has happened with the forfeiture laws,
which were intended as ammunition against drug dealers and mobsters who
could not be prosecuted through "due process" in the courts, but are now
being used against innocent citizens by greedy police departments and
prosecuting attorneys looking for a quick buck.

>I've always been in favour
>of decriminalizing the softer drugs because the major harm is a result of
>the criminalization, not the effects of the drugs themselves.

Precisely my point. Criminalize "hate speech" and the effects of 
criminalization will be worse than the effect of the speech itself.

Freedom of speech comes with a price. The price is that those you disagree
with get to speak too. Even the KKK.

--Greg
Xref: sparky news.admin:7379 misc.legal.computing:2052
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing Network, Detroit, MI
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 06:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.134247.8707@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
"In article <1992Aug28.130455.23625@portal.hq.videocart.com> kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
">Well, considering that it is supposed to be disabled, what about this?
">
">Trying 128.32.133.1 ...
">Connected to ucbvax.berkeley.edu.
">Escape character is '^]'.
">220 ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Sendmail 5.63/1.43 ready at Fri, 28 Aug 92 06:00:04
">-0700
">vrfy post-usenet
">250 <"|/usr/lib/news/nrecnews">
"> 
">Hmmm... looks rather active to me.
">
">I don't know if there is anything behind that filename, but they certainly
">didn't remove the alias.  I think I'll try it and see what happens.
"
"They may have removed indiscriminant posting capabilities; for example,
"aliases existed for just about all news groups BUT now they don't work;
"I have received error messages posting in ways that USED TO work before.
"(sigh :-))
"
"We're investigating.
"
"Spiros
"
It really amazes me that such a net.cornerstone like Berkeley would
provide a facility with such few safeguards. This gateway has to have
been abused before. They should at least put in a facility which verifies
from-addresses and kicks out anything suspicious. I too hope that the
loopholes are closed.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:02:49 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Sep1.192832.20878@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>>Tell you what, Dave. A few days back you had offered to provide Mutlu
>>with an account if he were denied one elsewhere. Why don't you do that
>>so at least we have a REAL address to email to instead of a ficticious one?
>
>A) Only if HE asks. 

This is dragging on, and on, and on... please bear with me. Does your site
provide accounts on demand? Come to think of it, could you give ME an
account? We only get comp.* and news.* groups here. 

>B) Only if you can prove that Mutulu is indeed not a ficticuous character. 
>(He sure sounds like one)

Unfortunately for the net, he ain't ficticious. His GIF image has appeared
at times (nothing spectacular, 30's, eyes focused far away in a rather
amusing way, hair could use some Rogaine) in various FTP sites. His
work and home address and phone numbers have also appeared, work address
(and GIF) from a paper he did in some IEEE journal 3 years ago, home 
address/phone number in the Chicago, Il. phone book. Datalog also revealed
a kid brother (Something B. Mutlu) in Sweeden doing research in Hydraulics. 

He's actually quite an accomplished author in his field; I read his paper
on networking and the such, and although I'm no expert on networks I could
tell he's good at what he does and has a good sense of humor. It's too
bad he chose to flood the net over the last few years...

>Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
>dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Spiros


-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal.computing
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: NetNews Contract? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:39:22 GMT


In article <1992Aug27.153714.18985@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

> Another condition for a legally-enforceable contract is that there be
> a meeting of minds as to the terms. This debate shows that there is
> no such understanding.

forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:

[...]
>Please cite some reference -- this sounds like a misquote to me.
>
>If you are meaning that it must be the intention of each party to 
>conduct the transaction, then I'd agree.  
[...]

They must also agree on the terms.

_Business Law_, 3rd Edition, Michale P. Litka & Marianne Jennings, p. 130:

"The concept of mutual assent is a showing by the parties to each
other that they agree to the same bargain at the same time. It is an
act of the mind; therefore, it is necessary that a person express this
assent by words or conduct. ... The courts apply two tests to
determine the showing of mutual assent: the subjective 'meeting of the
minds' test, and the 'objective theory' of contracts. Historically,
courts required that the minds of the parties meet on each element of
a contract. ... The objectivists concluded that if a reasonble person
were to believe that he has entered into an agreement, the contract
could be considered valid."

- Carl

--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal.computing
From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: How can I get rid of this?
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:43:21 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <111@n8hsp> tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org writes:

-->  I believe I started getting these messages after I posted a note to
-->  a newsgroup. Now I get these messages everytime I run rnews. How can
-->  I stop this from happening?

  Note: that message is from UUCP.  I don't know what your reader program is
called, but rnews is typically a program that is run via UUCP to deliver a
batch of usenet articles from your feed into your local news system.  It
looks like someone has turned on sender and/or receiver notification for when
a job is successfully finished.

  I'd check out your batching on the local system first, then the remote
system.  If that's from the local system, then everytime you post something
it'll get sent to your feed, and you might indeed get a message like that.
Check out the options for the "uux" program.

-- 
John Kennedy/KC6RCK/warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu  "IBM, You BM, We All BM for IBM!"
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Hasan Mutlu
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:23:59 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <scs.714924985@hela.iti.org> scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
>root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root) writes:
> (note the article is signed John Palmer)
> [root's message deleted]
>This would be a lot more convincing if applied even-handedly.  It
>appears that Mutlu has used anadolu.michigan.com's name in forged
>postings thru the bsd NNTP server.  The postings are apparently
>actually from him, but site is forged.  These forgeries have had a
>direct and detrimental effect on michigan.com.  If this doesn't fall
>under the Fraud and Abuse act, surely letterbombing doesn't either.

Oh, C'me on, Steve. Remember,

The customer is always right. 

A Happy customer is a paying customer.

Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.

We do it like you do it at <deleted>.

And so on :-)

Spiros





-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: linley@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce Linley)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:50:52 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

The source of the problem, it seems, it that USEnet is not "owned" by any
single induvidual/orginaization. As a result no one can claim to be a 
net.controller and make/enforce posting guidelines. Netiquette will only be
adhered to by those who care. No one can remove Mutlu from the net because
no one has the authority to do so. Sys Admins, though, do have the right to
control what occupies their disk space- and certainly have the right to
configure their news servers to refuse to accept posts from user-x@host.blah
because he is using x% of our resources. If enough sys admins do this, Mr.
Mutlu's posts will eventually reach dead ends before spreading very far and
the net will have effectively gotten rid of him. Mail bombing him though is
an unjustifiable form of retalliation as it is unfair to other users at his
site (You wouldn't blow up the bank just because you knew the robber was in
there somewhere?) USEnet is a co-operative network, and CAN get rid of people
like Mr. Mutlu through a co-operative effort. Food for thought.

--
Bruce Linley         | Evil code:
linley@seas.ucla.edu | #define BEGIN {
Comp Sci & Engr      | #define END }
From: shibumi@genbank.bio.net
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: BIONET/BIOSCI Checkgroups message
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:00:02 GMT
Reply-To: shibumi@GENBANK.BIO.NET
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Natl. Computing Resource for Mol. Biology

What follows is input for a checkgroups message for the BIOSCI/BIONET
heirarchy.  If you are running netnews 2.11, you should receive mail
notification of a checkgroups message.  To issue a checkgroups message
on your system, follow the guidelines stated in Gene Spafford's
monthly message on this subject.

If you have any questions, or are having problems with your
BIONET/BIOSCI feed, please contact me at the above address or at
(415) 962-7300.

Kenton A. Hoover
GenBank

--- BIONET groups follow ---
bionet.agroforestry		Discussion of Agroforestry.
bionet.announce			Announcements of widespread interest to biologists. (Moderated)
bionet.biology.computational	Computer and mathematical applications. (Moderated)
bionet.biology.tropical		Discussions about tropical biology.
bionet.general			General BIOSCI discussion.
bionet.genome.arabidopsis	Information about the Arabidopsis project. 
bionet.genome.chrom22		Discussion of Chromosome 22.
bionet.immunology		Discussions about research in immunology.
bionet.info-theory		Discussions about biological information theory.
bionet.jobs			Scientific Job opportunities.
bionet.journals.contents	Contents of biology journal publications.
bionet.molbio.ageing		Discussions of cellular and organismal ageing.
bionet.molbio.bio-matrix	Computer applications to biological databases.
bionet.molbio.gdb               Messages to and from the GDB database staff.
bionet.molbio.embldatabank	Info about the EMBL Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.evolution		How genes and proteins have evolved.
bionet.molbio.genbank		Info about the GenBank Nucleic acid database.
bionet.molbio.genbank.updates	Hot off the presses! (Moderated)
bionet.molbio.gene-linkage	Discussions about genetic linkage analysis.
bionet.molbio.genome-program	Discussion of Human Genome Project issues.
bionet.molbio.hiv		Discussions about the molecular biology of HIV.
bionet.molbio.methds-reagnts	Requests for information and lab reagents.
bionet.molbio.proteins		Research on proteins and protein databases.
bionet.neuroscience		Research issues in the neurosciences.
bionet.plants                   Discussion about all aspects of plant biology.
bionet.population-bio		Technical discussions about population biology.
bionet.sci-resources		Information about funding agencies, etc.
bionet.software			Information about software for biology.
bionet.software.sources		Software Source relating to biology. (Moderated)
bionet.users.addresses		Who's who in Biology.
bionet.xtallography             Discussions about protein crystallography.

Newsgroups: news.admin,news.admin.policy
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: Question About Multiple Posting
Followup-To: news.admin.policy
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:09:38 GMT

(Note cross-post and Followup-To.)

If you wish to advertise your dating service regularly, then the
correct way to do it is to:

1) Prepare a standard announcement of your service, with a set format,
including a constant Subject line.

2) Chose a frequency of posting, such as once a month (I think that
more than that would be excessive), and stick to it.

3) CROSS-POST your message to all newsgroups.  Don't post multiple
copies of it.

The reason people (including me) are getting annoyed is that they keep
seeing your message over and over, since you don't cross-post it, and
that you're wasting resources posting it over and over in different
newsgroups rather than cross-posting it.

The "primer" posting in news.announce.newusers *does* say that
messages should be posted only once.

If there is already an FAQ posting for one of the singles newsgroups,
then perhaps the best solution to your problem is to get a blurb about
your sevice added to that FAQ posting.  People who are looking for
matches will read the singles groups; people who aren't, won't, and
they probably don't want to see your announcements.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena              Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
        {and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
                 to news-answers-request@MIT.Edu.)
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:24:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.160031.3744@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

[...]
>A danger of government speech restrictions is that the government will
>abuse its authority. (I am especially leery of giving the U.S.
>government this power.)
[...]

Clarification: My use of the word "government" was ambiguous; I should
have said "state" (i.e. all branches of government and all levels).

U.S. word             	Canadian word
---------------       	-------------
State			Province
state			state
government		state
administration		government

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign