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From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:39:27 GMT

In article <sch.721421139@gargoyle> sch@unx.sas.com (Steve Holzworth) writes:
>bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>
>stuff deleted
>
>>the NRA rhetoric that is common now. I find the arugment that "we
>>bear arms" was in regards to rasing a state militia. This fact
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I predicted this (invalid) argument would be made. I suggest you heed
>the advice of your .signature file, and do a little research into
>the ACTUAL meaning of "militia" AT THE TIME the Second Ammendment was
>being debated, and the arguments made concerning WHY the Second Ammendment,
>specifically, was written.
>
	I don`t want to start a flame war on this group, SCAA,
concerning gun control. If you want we can talk about it on
another list. This issue isn`t that big of a deal to me for
various reasons. I do think that guns should be regulated and
I doubt that there is much that you can say that would
convince me otherwise.  

	Just name a better group and we can move the
conversation to it.

			Carter

ps. working in cary i can understand why you hold such
right-winged ideas. :) (that is a triangle joke)  a durham
native...........
--
"Why, have you never noticed that opinion without knowledge is
always a shabby sort of thing? At the best is blind. One who
holds true a belief without intelligence is just like a blind
man who happens to take the right road, isn`t he?"  Socrates
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:50:47 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <Bx9HKC.FH3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker) writes:
>The title says it all.  IMHO, the event that really got Clinton's campaign
>rolling was the Dems' convention in NYC.  Remember, it was during that
>time that Clinton moved from third to first in the race, a position he was
>never to relinquish.  I think the total shock of seeing a (relatively)
>united Democratic party encouraged many Americans to give them a serious
>listen.  Ron Brown deserves a lot of credit for the convention, and in
>turn, the victory.
>
>Anyone care to speculate on the man's future?
>
.
.
I say, my friend Omonike and I were talking just about the brother
Election Night. As someone once wrote on the board, a-damn-greed on
the man.  He's a natural pragmatist, for the greater good of the
Par-tay.
.
Let's hope money won't change the man.  I hope he stays right there
as chairman.  If it ain broke, don fix it.
.
Otherwise, the dude could do good in The Clinton Cabinet and not in
some of the "black" type positions like HUD.  How bout Attorney
General?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker)
Subject: Re: Carol Moseley Braun WINS in Illinois!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:40:33 GMT

In article <Bx86BM.6Mn@cs.columbia.edu> bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) writes:
>Just for information:
>
>the NYT reported that Carol Moseley Braun won 93% of the black vote whereas 
>she won only 49% of the white vote in Illinois.

Today's Chicago Tribune had detailed election results, including a
breakdown of the Senate results by county.  The breakdown was quite
revealing:

	1) Braun (as expected) won Cook County by a landslide, and won the
	other counties containing small cities in IL in general.
	2) However, she was *swept* in all the suburban Chicago counties
	3) But she did extremely well in southern Illinois (an exceedingly
	Caucasian area, in case you didn't know)

Also for your information:  although Braun carried most of the state's
newspaper endorsements, the Tribune refused to endorse her, citing her 
alleged lack of understanding of the issues. (Note:  The Trib also refused
to endorse "Filthy" Rich Williamson because of his divisive and misleading
campaign commercials)

The biggest factor that prevented Braun from winning by an even wider
margin was probably the Medicaid scandal in which she was involved.  I
won't explain the whole thing here (unless you really want to know), but
she got caught unethically distributing money from the sale of family land
to her family, rather than reimbursing the State of Illinois for her mom's
nursing home care paid by Medicaid. It got to be pretty ugly, but it was never
really cause for alarm.

Anyway, I'm happy she won.  I hope she does a good job.

>
>Dinkar.
>
__
Jon Locker
U. of Illinois
"na na na na/ na na na na/ hey hey - goodbye!"
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From: barring@cs.washington.edu (David Barrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:32:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Nov6.193236.9278
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bx9HKC.FH3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker) writes:
>[sensible things deleted]
>listen.  Ron Brown deserves a lot of credit for the convention, and in
>turn, the victory.
>[more sensible things deleted]

What's remarkable is that Brown's selection in 1988 was a concession by
the Dukakis forces to the Jackson forces in the course of keeping the
convention together.  It seems to have been a "Only Nixon can go to China"
thing -- only a (superbly talented) member of the "left" could unite the
party behind a "center-right" candidate.  Thank God (and Brown himself)
that it worked!

Dave MB
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week In Black History (11/9 - 11/15 1992)
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:46:34
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu

Today is Monday November 9, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

November 9   Benjaim Banneker, inventor, mathematician, astronomer,
                and one of the planners of Federal City (now
                Washington DC), born 1731-1806
             Medical School at Howard University opened with eight (8)
                students, 1868

November 10  Granville T Woods patented the electric railway, 1891

November 11  D McCree patented the portable fire escape, 1890
             Hanging of Nat Turner, leader of the Southampton Va Slave
                Revolt, 1831

November 12 

November 13  Janet Collins, ballerina, first Black dancer to appear
                with the Metropolitan Opera Co. (in Verdi's Aida),
                1951
             Black Rennaissance begins Harlem NY, 1922 [How the hell
                did they figure this out?]

November 14  Booker T. Washington died, 1856 - 1915

November 15  Inventor Granville T Woods patented his Synchronous
                Multiplier Railway Telgraph, 1887 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


--
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                     but I'll still make my millions, and
                     unlike many others, will pay my taxes on time.'
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape
From: GRIIVEA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: D.C. Statehood
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:27:50 GMT
Organization: Yale University


    The most important step we can take toward protecting ourselves
against racism is to push for D.C. statehood.  Just imagine the impact
a homeland for the descendants of African American southern peasants
would have on "race" relations.
 
    And we'er not talking about just any old homeland, but one that
would surround the captial of the United States of America.
It would be a strategic asset if the fire came next time.
 
 
 
 
                                                      Iverson
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rage, ranting and race
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:34:13 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <3a4sTB3w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
>This is response to a post by David Johns -- a very good, thoughtful 
>post, at that:
[much deleted]
>> White suburbanites are not flocking to aid poor Appalachians or
>> Bosnians, any more than American blacks are crying over conditions in
>> Somalia or even Haiti.  People live in small worlds.
>
>What makes you assume that we as a group have no interest in what is 
>happening in Somalia or Haiti?  Do not mistake a sense of powerlessness 
>for a lack of concern.
>
A very good point.  Now, a sincere question here:  What makes some people
assume that whites as a group have no interest in what is happening to
blacks in the inner city or elsewhere?  Do not mistake a sense of
powerlessness for a lack of concern.
-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
orbiting particle-beam weapons.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape
From: nuke@wam.umd.edu (root)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:22:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.165457.7393@ncsu.edu> black@akebono.math.ncsu.edu (Kelly Black) writes:
>
>When I hear this kind of vigilante argument I'm not sure
>how to react.  

When someone is arming themselves for defence, it is not vigilantism.
Vigilantism would be the act of seeking out criminals.  But hey,
it was a belittling comment, and you snuck it in.  Good show. 

>It is a very emotional appeal and in some
>respects it is effective.  But as a former army medic it
>doesn't really coincide with everything that has been 
>drilled and trained into me.  As a former NCO my intimate
>knowledge of the subject boiled down to three words:
>training, training, training.  We were taught to respect
>the weapons we carried ...

[nostalga deleted]

>matically gain protection.  In fact, use of a weapon by
>someone who does not understand it can result in quite
>the opposite.
>
>Kel

I agree, if you own a weapon (any weapon), and expect to use it,
you should be trained.  This does nothing towards devaluing 
the logic of purchasing a weapon during threatening times.

Think of it this way... if a woman was attacked, and noticed
a crowbar lying beside her, should she not *try* to use it?
Clearly, her attacker might be able to grab it from her, and 
use it against her.  Whether or not the woman (or man, for that 
matter), chooses to risk one consequence over the other...
it is her decision.  The same applies to gun ownership.  

She *might* end up losing her gun in a struggle, maybe not. But then, 
he might have a gun of his own.  Or maybe... and this is the
motivation... maybe he will see the gun, and decide that he rather 
run home and watch MTV, instead.  I'm certain you can find many
examples of each scenario.

Nobody would suggest *just* carying a stick for protection, unless
the person carying it had some idea how to use it.  Until they
have the training to use a stick, a gun, a knife, or their hands...
it is the responsibility of that person to *get* the training...
and the right of that person to choose how to defend themselves.

If you don't want to carry a gun... don't.

Take care...
(BTW, is this supposed to have *any* relevance to soc.culture.
african.american?)
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: *every* one is a racist??! [was: Re:  Re: Interracial Dating]
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:11:42 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts) writes:

>mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>>	
>>	The sad thing that I am beginning to see in America is that the
>>	white people I know are, on the whole, less racist than Blacks.
>>
>And how many blacks do you know that you would consider good friends?
>Why is it incumbent on "Black America" to promote unity? Why isn't it
>the responsibility of white america who created and perpetuated the
>problem in the first place? Unless you are black I don't think you
>have any idea how incredibly racist white america is.

I would argue that it's incumbent on *all* Americans to promote
unity, both Black and White.

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's In, Bushie's OUT!
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:43:25 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1992Nov5.165956.26025@athena.mit.edu>,
Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu> writes:
>In article <1d9rv6INNluc@morrow.stanford.edu> Gabrielle Daniels,
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu writes:
>>Let's give President Clinton a chance to show his stuff.  I only
>>hope Hillary gets herself some new clothes--my girl was rather ratty
>>looking in Arkansas last night--as well as fulfill her role as the
>>new Eleanor Roosevelt.
>
>I'd rather see her fulfill her role as the new Robert Kennedy.
>Wouldn't you?
>
.
.
Read your history, man.  Eleanor was POLITICAL, even more political
than her husband, FDR.  Historians give her credit for being the man
he became, and she did it by becoming his legs, pressing the flesh
with the disenfranchised.  I remember reading what an event it was
for her to kiss a black woman, Mary MacLeod Bethune, publicly.
Coming from her class and racial background, it was a ground
breaking event for a First Lady to do such a gesture and I don't rag
her for how she felt and how it became easier for her to repeat it.
.
Eleanor wasn't great looking either, she was intelligent and brainy
(bad news for ANY man).  Hoover bugged her just to see what
fellow-travellers she was hobnobbing with. So, this is no small
credit I'm giving Hillary Rodham Clinton. As for Bobby K, I've yet
to see someone come up to his stature.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Carol Moseley Braun WINS in Illinois!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:45:08 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

In article <Bx86BM.6Mn@cs.columbia.edu> bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) writes:
>Just for information:
>
>the NYT reported that Carol Moseley Braun won 93% of the black vote whereas 
>she won only 49% of the white vote in Illinois.

Funny how different people see the same things in different lights...

49% of the white vote for a black woman is a great figure, from my
point of view.  Long way to go, but we're on the right track.  Ms.
Braun got more of the white vote than Bill Clinton did!

Wasn't that long ago that she wouldn't have been able to get on the ticket,
and now she wins a plurality of the white vote.

Good job, Ms. Braun.  Good job, Illinois!
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:38:34 GMT
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In article <Bx9y2B.6K1@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes...
>In article <Bx9HKC.FH3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> locker@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Locker) writes:
>>The title says it all.  IMHO, the event that really got Clinton's campaign
>>rolling was the Dems' convention in NYC.  Remember, it was during that
>>time that Clinton moved from third to first in the race, a position he was
>>never to relinquish.  I think the total shock of seeing a (relatively)
>>united Democratic party encouraged many Americans to give them a serious
>>listen.  Ron Brown deserves a lot of credit for the convention, and in
>>turn, the victory.
> 
>Definitely.
> 
>>Anyone care to speculate on the man's future?
> 
>I'm not sure whether he'll be willing to give up working the political
>side after his success as the party leader, but I was impressed by

He's pretty much said (in not so many words) that he'd love to work in a 
Clinton Admin.

>Ron Brown's discussion of the law and legal education when he gave
>the commencement address at a local law school last summer.
> 
>Attorney General or Education Secretary?
> 


Vernon Jordan (former civil rights leader) has Attorney General pretty much
locked up.  Look for Ron Brown to be Chief of Staff. 

-Chris



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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:35:51 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson) writes:

>Vernon Jordan (former civil rights leader) has Attorney General 
>pretty much locked up.

I kinda got the opposite impression - I thought that with Vernon Jordan
on the transition team, he was unlikely to get a position in the
administration.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: getting worked up
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:03:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <jumper.721111864@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>  
jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) asks:
} So my question is, since i have not been hurt personally, am i 
} still supposed to proclaim racism everywhere in the system? 
} the system hasn't done me wrong yet...growing up at the 
} mid-to-high end of comfortable has its distinct advantages:-)

Yeah, the good life has its advantages.  But at whose cost?   
Someone had to pay for it ...

If you think your life is comfortable and you feel like you can  
go with the flow, be my guest.  I don't know what you look like.   
You could just be passing for a white person.  The choice is  
yours.  I'm not asking you to take my word for it in regards to  
racism - read history.  Then ask yourself, "Okay, I know my life  
is comfortable, but what about the others in my race? "  Just  
because things don't happen to you don't mean they don't happen.   
I'm not asking you to involve yourself in political matters of  
change regarding our Black people because to tell the truth,  
most of us either are too comfortable or just don't give a damn.   
I'm taking your word for it that you have never experienced  
racism, but I guarantee that before the die you die, you will.

Donald - It's time for some action!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: VIBE !!!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:46:36 GMT

In article <4850.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com  
(Carl Camurca)  writes:
} DAA>media uses us?  I'm SO glad that I'm cancelling my  
subscription
} DAA>to Rolling Stone (and subscribing to VIBE).  You can't put  
a
} DAA>price on dignity.  In my opinion, Spike is losing his fast  
..
} 
} Did you know... ?
} 
} ....that the editor-in-chief of Vibe is Jonathan van Meter,  
Gay and White
} as snow? See Advocate, iss. 615, p. 72.
} 
} ROTFLMAO!!!
} 
} To all non-White-o-phobic: VIBE is great!!!
} The first sensible magazine about HipHop and its political  
background.
} Very well written articles. I started my subscription  
immediately! Check
} it out!

Yup, ain't that some bullshit?  I don't know if I really like  
him.  He was featured (along with some other white men) in an  
article in _Essence_ (yeah, the one with FINE ASS Sinbad on the  
cover!) about White Men and Racism or something like that.  What  
point is Quincy Jones trying to prove?  Maybe his forte is the  
editing of the magazine rather than its content ... Still, the  
content comes through load and clear that it is for ME - Black,  
young, intelligent and Gay ...

Donald