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From: blais@ut-emx.uucp (Donald Blais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Naming the days of the week
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:43:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Oct1.072830.20150@ennews.eas.asu.edu> guncer@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Otomatik Portakal ) writes:
>
>How do we know that the reference points for both western and Islamic
>calenders coincide?  Did Muslims reference their weekdays to the Christian 
>calender when they began counting days?  What makes the Islamic "Friday" 
>the same as the Jewish "Friday" and Gregorian "Friday"? I wouldn't even
>go into calculating the Jewish calender (unless someone posts a program
>for it :-)). If I am not mistaken, July 16, 622 is a monday. So, if 
>the days of the week are counted from this day on in the Islamic calender,
>shouldn't friday be monday? Or if the Muslim week ends with friday, then
>the Islamic friday coincides with the Gregorian sunday.  Just rename
>juma to be sunday and you are set. 

Encyclopaedia Britannica (Macropaedia) 15th Edition

    Calendar

    [...]  The seven-day week may owe its origin partly to the four
    (approximately) seven-day phases of the Moon and partly to the
    Babylonian belief in hebdomadism--the sacredness of the number
    seven--which itself was probably related to the seven planets.
    Moreover, by the 1st century BC the Jewish seven-day week seems to
    have become adopted throughout the Roman world, and this exerted
    its due influence on Christendom.

The seven day count is entirely independent of other divisions of the
Jewish (luni-solar), Christian (solar), and Muslim (lunar) calendars.
The early Muslims didn't invent the lunar calendar.  They chose to use
the existing lunar calendar and assigned the value of "1" to the year
of the Hijrah.  Likewise they adopted the existing week day count.

The invention of the telescope made possible the discovery of the
phases of Venus, thus proving that Venus was in orbit around the Sun.
The ancients imagined that the earth was the center of the universe
and that the "seven" planets orbited the earth, one planet in each of
the "seven heavens".  The "seven" in the ancient order are the Moon,
Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.  The order was based
on the speed of each planet as it moved against the "fixed" stars.

The names for the days of the week reflect the names of the "planets"
in many European languages.  This is obvious in French but difficult
to notice in English except in SUN-day, MOoN-day, and SATURn-day.

In Arabic and Hebrew the names of the planets are not used for the
days of the week.  Instead the general pattern is to enumerate the
days as 1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day...

-- 
Donald E. Blais             Internet: blais@utexas.edu
Computation Center          Bitnet:   blais@utxvms
University of Texas         UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!blais
Austin, TX 78712            Phone:    +1 512-471-6387 +1 512-471-3241 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: tromblement de terre en Egypt
Keywords: Egypt
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: w
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:35:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.144231.24927@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> elab@prefect.uucp (21131-elyamani) writes:
>Bounjour tout le monde c'est avec un grand regret que je vous annonce la
>mauvaise nouvelle du tromblement de terre en Egypt. Mon present commentaire
>est seulement complementaire de celui de Mr Hazim et Mlle anissa. Selon les
>dernieres nouvelles transmisent par Radio France Internationale Ce matin par
>leur envoyer special au Caire le bilan s'eleve a 370 victimes et a plusieurs
>centaines de blesses. Parmi les victimes se trouvent une grande proportion 
>d'enfants.L'Arabie Saoudite a envoyer une aide de 50 millions de dollars et
>la France a envoyer une equipe de secours . Le president Egyptien Hossni        Moubarek a annuler sa tournee au pays asiatiques.
>Enfin je voudrai presenter toute ma sympathie  a tout les Egyptiens en          particulier et a tout les arabes et musulmans en generale.
>Finalement je presente toutes mes exuses pour l'envoie de ce message en 
>Francais pour la simple raison en ce moment il est plus facile pour moi de 
>m'exprimer en Francais q'en Anglais.
>Merci de votre attention et bon courage a vous tous.
> 
>
>

Hey stupid, why don't you parle en le anglais? Don't you know that most people
here can't read/speak french? it's a nightmare just trying to get beyond the
first 2 sentences. What are you trying to prove? you're so civilized?

zafar

Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4193 soc.culture.iranian:8791 soc.culture.afghanistan:1085
From: Khaled J Shammout <kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Hello, I'm Back
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:52:26 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I just wanted to greet everybody after my absence for a whole week because of 
of bronchites.  However, I'm much better now and will be posting to this 
network soon.  I just need couple days to catch up with my studies and with the
overwhelming number of articles that have accumulated.

So, talk to you later.

Wa Salam
-------------------
Khaled Shammout
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4166 soc.culture.iranian:8708
From: msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Is SEX work or pleasure (joke)
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:40:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

A reporter is doing a survey to find out whether SEX is WORK or PLEASURE.

Reporter to an American

Reporter:   Sir, Is sex work or pleasure?
American    It's work.
Reporter:   Why?
American    Well, when you are doing it so sweat and that's physical, so it's work

Reporter to an Englishman

Reporter:   Sir, Is sex work or pleasure ?
Englishman: It's pleasure
Reporter:   why ?
Englishman: Well, when you doing it, you are actually enjoying it too, therefore
	    it's pleasure. 

Reporter to an ARAB:

Reporter:   Sir, Is sex work or pleasure
Arab:	    It's pleaure.
Reporter:   why ?
Arab:	    YOU SEE IF IT WAS WORK I WOULD HAVE GOT SOME INDIAN or PAKISTANI
	    TO DO THIS FOR ME.
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PAL-NET
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:26:13 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <4054@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>Are you kidding?  Who doesn't know who John Sununu is?
>I think he has been one of the panelists on CNN's Crossfire.

I didn't know this.  I don't own a TV (but do own a shortwave),
so I am mercifully free of most of  the ravages of pop culture.
(Unless you consider the NYT and The Economist pop. :-} )

>Its funny that the person identifying himself as Sununu would
>write to such a racist person as Martillo with such an inquiry.
>It must have been a practical joke or something.

Maybe he got Joachim's name through common conspiratorial connections?  ;-}

>Anisa

>	"Every Muslim's duty entails struggling for positive
>	social change.  If we pay taxes in the U.S., then we
>	are required to strive toward the establishment of
>	policies that will allocate our tax dollars to purposes
>	consistent with Islamic values."
>					Salem al-Marayati

Great.  I hope all of you will form a ``Muslims for Life'' chapter
in your city soon.  Such vocal diversity (contrasted with
the media stereotype of a neandrathal fundamentalist pro-life
Christian activist) would help a lot.  Think about it.
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mok@loki.cs.wayne.edu (Mohammad Kanaan)
Subject: Re: haha
Summary: Ingnore him
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.011135.8830@math.ucla.edu>, ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu (Asher Shamam) writes:
> Q :what's the difference between a palestinean.......



Please guys Ignore this sick kid and let us not sink to his level. This
way we can concentrate on mature discussions.

Salam. 

Mohammad.
   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Islamic Arabic Names
Organization: LC
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 21:39:02 GMT

In article <3976@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.070525.2417690@locus.com> nkjle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>>In article <3960@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct3.020903.5031@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>>>>I am expecting another child in mid january. Our primitive ultra scan
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>*You* are?
>
>>Yes, he is expecting (waiting for) a baby to be delivered by his woman.
>
>I *know*, I know!  Hey, what happened to your sense of humor, ukhi?  ;)

I was just teezing you :)

>>>How did *that* happen??
>
>>When his wife informed him that she's pregnant, he started to expect.
>
>Okay, okay ...

Oh boy oh boy oh boy.  Cool down.  I was just joking :)

>>(leave the guy alone :) :D :____] ).
>
>Not purposely picking on him - just trying to lighten up the newsgroup ...

It is obvious;  keep up the good work.  Lately sca has been much
more attractive than tpm to me.

>We are noor, right?  :-)

We are nar and noor.

There is a military syrian song that says:  Suria al noor winnar ... 

>
>>Alf Mabruk  (beat you by 999 anisa).
>
>:-)  May Allah increase it a Thousand fold for you in the
>Jenna, insha'Allah, ukhi ... :D

Wa-eyyakom inshallah.

jle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Subject: Re: Reason vs. Morals
Originator: mackenzi@fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:49:48 GMT


faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:

|> If a society were to stricly adhere to a code of philosophical reasoning without
|> any moral codes or obligations, than morality will not be practiced. Therefore,
|> such a society will abolish all moral codes over time, and reasoning will
|> dictate every aspect of life in that society. All anthropological findings
|> indicate that early man did not have the same moral obligations as we have
|> come to know. at that time reasoning to survive was the law for society.
|> Morality is a code of ethics that has evoloved with time and has been largely
|> driven by religious beleif. A primary reason that we presently adhere to
|> reason and morality nowadays are due to religious beleif, laws, and social
|> values that shaped our upbringing.
[...]
|> MY reasoning is as follows: Survival, invidualistic thinking, and protection of
|> our way of life are the central issues that will make us deviate from practicing
|> reaoning and morality.Every society is driven by competitive forces that will
|> make it very difficult for any person to practice any religion the way it was
|> intended. Furthermore, the nature of the penality and the way you perceive you
|> will be judged strongly influence how much a person deviates. My perception is
|> that in Islam the penalties are greater than the penalities that Christianity
|> administers. Consequently, I say it is impossible to practice Islam or any
|> religion on the basis of true reasoning and true morality. A person will always
|> break the rules and cut corners when faced with the above issues.

|> A.FAris

Why must reason and morality be separate?  If they are, then morality would 
be unreasonable, would it not?  ALL people are individuals (i.e. inately
capable of independent thought) so individualistic thinking is a reasonable
thing.  And how can competition, which brings out the best of people, make it
difficult to practice religion?  By understanding that all people are 
individuals and have the right to make their own decisions, choice of religion
naturally follows.  By basing morality on reason, there never has to be a
conflict.  I know that someone has given the example of the Soviet Union
as an example of reason vs. morality.  Whoever that was, come on now.  The
principles of the Soviet Union were hardly based on reason.  Since when is
the stiffling of production and creative thinking reasonable?  Since when
is a lack of freedom in society reasonable?  

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, I think there is no better place
for them than in a society where general morals are based on reason, where the
individual is the basis of society.  Only here can each person study and
experience religion unhindered by a collective that wants him/her to surrender
his mind to others.

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: haha
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:31:58 GMT

ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu (Asher Shamam) writes:

>Q :what's the difference between a palestinean and a bucket of
>camel shit ?

>A : the bucket

   It takes one to know one.

** Beware of bathing lest you dissolve (but I think you know it
   already!)
From: elab@prefect.uucp (21131-elyamani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: haha
Summary: by making this statement Mr Shaman you just insulted your intelligence.
	 if you have one.
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:03:14 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ


Dear Mr Shaman,
It seems that you are from a Mthematical departement and by dropping these
stupid few words you just insulted your IQ . If you have one.
.
i
From: rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Mohamed Omar Rayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: It is  Poetry Quiz Time Again (Correction)
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:09:54 GMT
Reply-To: rayes@mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Dept. of Math and Computer Science

Assalamu Ala Men Attaba Alhuda:

   First, I would like to cite the following  quote from 
Hamilton Gibb's "Arabic literature, 2nd ed., 1963" describing
Arabic literature:

  "The most striking feature in Arabic literatures its unexpectedness.
Over and over again, with scarcely a hint to give warning of what is 
coming, a new literary art emerges fully-fledged, often with a perfection
never equalled by later exponents of the same art. Nowhere is this 
element of surprise more striking than in the first appearance of Arabic
as a vehicle of literature. At one moment Arabia seems, in a literary sense
, empty and dumb except for some votive or businesslike inscriptions in 
a variety of dialects. At the next, companies of poets spring up all over
northern Arabia, reciting complex odes, qasidas, in which a series of themes
are elaborated with unsurpassed vigour, vividness of imagination, and
precision of imagery, in an infinitely rich and highly articulated language,
showing little or no traces of dialect, and cast into complex and flexible
metrical that rhyme throughout the poem."

Here is an Example. Can you identify the author, the time, and the
occasion  in which this poem was written?
I have a small request. Please do not address me as "Sandra". This
is her husband.

1) Atawka yajorron alhaded ka anahom
   saraw be jeyaden ma lahonna kawaemo

2) Etha barako lam to orafu al beetho menhomo
   theyabohom men methleha wa alamemo

3) Kameson be sharke al arthe wa algarbe zahfoho
   wa fe othono aljwazao menho zamazemo

4) Tajama feehe kollo lesnen wa ommatten 
   fama tofhemo alhoddatha ella atarajemo

5) Wa kafta wa fe almoute shaknon le wakefon
   ka annaka fe jafne arrada wa howa naaemo

6) Tammoro beka albtalo kalma hazematan
   Wa wajhuka wathahon wa thegroka basemon.


Translation:

1)  They came against you trailing their steel, as though they travelled
    by night on horses that had no feet.

2)  When they flashed, their swords  could not be distinguished---
    their garments and headgear were of the like (steel);

3)  An army that marched slowly from the east of the earth and the
    west, confused noises proceeding from it (echoing) in the ears
    of the Gemini;

4)  Gathered together in it was every tongue and nation, and only
    only interpreters could make the speakers  understood.

5)  [In the midst of all of that] You stood firm, when there was no
    doubt that any who stood must die, as though you were in the very
    eyelid of death, and death  was sleep,

6) The champions passing you by, wounded and in flight, whlist
   your face shone brightly and your mouth was smiling!
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Reason vs. Morals
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:30:22 GMT
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia

In article <1992Oct7.021746.4308@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
|> : 
|> : Islam sought to perfect the previous religions (Judaism, Christianity), but
|> : it is not and will never be practiced based on reasoning and morality. I veiw
|> : Islam as another religion that attempted to tame the competitive nature of
|> : the human race. Islam did come closer than the other religions strictly because
|> : of the sever nature of its laws. If you remove those laws its reason and moral
|> : values will be just like its predecessors. I think Islam tends to be more
|> : idealistic and seems to bond reason and morality, but they are not fused.
|> 
|> That is where you are entirely wrong. Islam has never been idealistic. It takes
|> into account human nature. It is your back ground in Christianity that make you
|> say that. Read your previous paragraph.
|> 	Islam does not want to perfect the previous religions, just correct
|> them. The original religions were just corrupted because of attempts to use
|> "idealistic" reasonings.

I will grant you the benefit of the doubt here on whether Islam sought to
correct or perfect the other religions. All religions are driven by ideals
inorder to shape their respective followings. Also all religions take into
account the human nature, and this is where I disagree with you totally
that Islam takes into account less of the human nature than the other
religions. This fact is borne about and evident in some of the Islamic laws
such as:

1. not allowed to consume alcoholic beverages, while lots of MUslims drink
while hiding it.
2. Women must adhere to certain dress codes, while men don't.
3. You cannnot critise your religious laws. My understanding such actions are
punshable by death.
4. If your are born unto Islam, you cannot convert to any other religion if
you are not happy with its teachings.

|> 	As an example, Islam allows divorce, polygamy, delicious food,
|> sexual pleasure etc. because it knows the human nature. We just cannot pretend
|> that a man will not be sexually aroused when he seed some parts of a woman's
|> body. A resoning based on the fallacy that a man will not be aroused, is 
|> called the "idealistic reasoning".

All other religions allow the things you indicate above with the exception of
polygamy. I cannot tell you whether polygamy increases sexual pleasure, I only
have one wife, that is all I want. However, I could see this concept introducing
more harm than good in the bonding a family that is composed of children from
many wifes.
As for this "Idealistic reasoning", are you telling me that every time you see a
woman you get sexually aroused?. This more or less indicates that you possibly
do not have control over your sexual behaviour that is brought about from
religious customs that does not permit you to see women like the other religions
do.
|> 
A.Faris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: elab@prefect.uucp (21131-elyamani)
Subject: tromblement de terre en Egypt
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: w
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:42:31 GMT
Keywords: Egypt

Bounjour tout le monde c'est avec un grand regret que je vous annonce la
mauvaise nouvelle du tromblement de terre en Egypt. Mon present commentaire
est seulement complementaire de celui de Mr Hazim et Mlle anissa. Selon les
dernieres nouvelles transmisent par Radio France Internationale Ce matin par
leur envoyer special au Caire le bilan s'eleve a 370 victimes et a plusieurs
centaines de blesses. Parmi les victimes se trouvent une grande proportion 
d'enfants.L'Arabie Saoudite a envoyer une aide de 50 millions de dollars et
la France a envoyer une equipe de secours . Le president Egyptien Hossni        Moubarek a annuler sa tournee au pays asiatiques.
Enfin je voudrai presenter toute ma sympathie  a tout les Egyptiens en          particulier et a tout les arabes et musulmans en generale.
Finalement je presente toutes mes exuses pour l'envoie de ce message en 
Francais pour la simple raison en ce moment il est plus facile pour moi de 
m'exprimer en Francais q'en Anglais.
Merci de votre attention et bon courage a vous tous.
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Transliteration Draft Standard (with excercises)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:55:32 GMT

I will be using the following draft for transliteration:

'    as in  'anta       not as in  you're
^    as in  ^alA        not as in  on
.h   as in  .hayzabOn   not as in  hag
.d   as in  .durIr      not as in  blind
.g   as in  .gabiY      not as in  goof
.k   as in  .kala^a     not as in  take away
.s   as in  .suwt       not as in  sound
.t   as in  qi.T        not as in  cat
q    as in  tawuQuf     not as in  quit
_th  as in  _thAk           as in  that
.th  as in  .gulI.th    not as in  thick
I                           as in  Geraldine
u                           as in  up
U                        as a  in  part
o                        as u  in  put
O                        as oo in  soon
A                        as a  in  man
E                        as ai in  pain
--
X stands for xx
" stands for ''
-------------------------------------------
   I will be thinking about phonetic operators as for overt or
voiced letters, etc. e.g. *s = z, +a = u, &t = th. I think I 
need to visit the linguistic part of the lib.
   Is there any comments?

Excercises for the readers:
   *t = ?
   +d = ?
   &j = ?

** "lo.gaton i_thA wuqu^at ^alA 'asmA^inA
         kAnat  lanA  bardan ^ala  l'akbAdI
    sata.thaLo rAbi.tutan to'aLifo baynanA
         fahiya  RajA'o linA.tiqin  bi.DAdI"
                                    -- a Syrian poet, I guess.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: etxfaqa@kk239.ericsson.se (Fawas Qamhawi TT/TSS)
Subject: How to subscribe
Organization: Ericsson
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:56:12 GMT

I just wonder if there is a way to subscribe
in this news group. What I mean is that, can I
contact the server of this group in order to send
me all the new articles to my mail-address.
You can send the answer to my address.

Wa Salam
//
// Fawaz Qamhawi
//?

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