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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:09:50 GMT

jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:

>>  A)  The gratuitous violence didn't add anything to it for me.  eg The
>>      mace (or morning star, whatever) to Sinestro's face
>>  B)  It's a dream, so everyone can act out of character!  Oh boy,
>>      what a great excuse for a writer incapable of writing anyone *in
>>      character*
>>  C)  No explanation is given for the events shown.  Were the events
>>      worthwhile/interesting enough to carry the book on their own and
>>      make up for the bad dialog?
>>      IMHO, no, they were not.

>	As opposed to previous issues of JLA?  Let's face it--  JLA is

Nope.  Judging the comic on its own merits, not using low standards
because of previous issues.

>and always has been a lame series, by the criteria posted above.  Gratuitous
>violence has always been a major part of super-hero comic books--  and 

The mace to the face went outside of the standard comic book (super-
hero) violence, as did the off-panel torture.

>earlier issues of JLA have hardly been an exception to the rule.  As for 
>people acting out of character, well, that's a problem that happens every
>time different writers take on different characters--  characters's have
>new "characters" every time a new writer writes them.  The problem of acting 
>out of character, furthermore, is a problem found in virtually every sort of
>team book, JLA included.  Bad dialogue has always been a mainstay in the JLA--
>this issue is hardly any different from past issues in this regard.

>	As for the lack of explanation--  well, I think that's one of the
>few things that is actually quite _good_ about this issue.  Part of the fun
>of reading it is trying to figure out just what is going on!  If they had 
>come out on the first page and simply said "This is the year 1997," "this
>is an alternate timeline," or "this is a dream of Dr. Destiny's, then that
>_would_ have been truly lame.  At least this book engages the reader's mind
>a tiny bit, which is more than I can say of any previous issue of the JLA.

I didn't ask for a plot synopsis to be given on the first page.  I simply
said that there wasn't much plot to be found in this issue.

>Maybe it is just a rip-off of a Marvel mini-series, but it's still far more
>interesting than anything that's appeared in the pages of this comic for as 
>long as I can remember.  

Won't argue whether it's a rip-off.  More interesting than past issues,
definitely.  As good as I hoped when I saw the "old JLofA" line-up on
the cover, no.

Tom
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From: apn207s@fermat.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster)
Subject: Re: DC: Constantine's Bday
Organization: Monash University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:54:10 GMT

In article <1juegrINN7fr@fnnews.fnal.gov>, kelly@FNALF.FNAL.GOV writes:
 
|> Ok, someone was asking about John Constantine's birthday. I am far from
|> my collection right now, but I believe his birthday is sometime in
|> May.  I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in one of the Delano issues 
|> (28-40?) I *don't* remember if he was a Taurus or a Gemini although
|> I suspect the latter, due to Delano's last storyline.

It's on the newspaper on one of the first panels.


-- 

In order to remember your dreams, you must think of them as if they were 
little kittens. When you wake up in the morning, before you get out of bed,
Sit up and say, 
"Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty."
                                                -King Missile
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:44:43 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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In article <1993Jan24.052940.29838@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
)And, what do we make of calling attention to the fact that Morpheus is
)not Apollo?  'Course I'm probably reading too much into that, could be
)a throwaway I suppose.
)Glenn

	Well, recall that in the original myths Orpheus was the child
of Apollo and Calliope. It's therefore natural, when Dream refers to
Orpheus as his son, for Kris to think that that's who he is.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |      "Hey, mister! Your ninja's dragging!" 
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:27:22 GMT
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>In article <C1G4yC.Dz4@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:

>>>- Chang Tso-Lin would have been about 19 in 1893. Probably someone else.
>>
>>Hmm. Fu-Manchu would be about the right age...

>No, I don't think so. The good Doctor was already quite old by the time
>the Sax Rohmer stories were printed. I believe the first of the series
>saw print just before World War I. Thanks to his experiments in human
>aging, Dr Fu Manchu was able to live a long time, but there was at least
>one incident where he almost died from old age, when deprived from his 
>source of medical supplies.

>Chang Tso-Lin would have been a soldier/bandit in Manchuria by 1893.
>I was definitely wrong there.

Here's an amusing thought:

It coudl just be an ordinary human guy who did nothing truly famous to merit
writing down.

I mean, think of it, do you expect Sexton to become someone history will
remember just because he's sepnding the day with Didi?


this weird little thought brought to you by the eever so popular of late LJC


-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From: pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler)
Subject: Re: Sandman 47 -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:29:59 GMT

Ross Lefstin says:
> 2) The references to change are getting kind of heavy handed.  "Cooking is
> one of the fine arts."  Art = Change = Destruction?  Is Destruction treing
> to change himself to an artist.

Come on now.  There isn't a single story in the history of the world that
can't be said to have "change" or "stability" (or even both) as a theme.
It's the nature of narrative, especially quest narratives.  Perhaps if
Neil used the word "change" as often as Clinton does, I'd agree it was
a central theme.

     -dp-
From: aelujan@beauty.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan)
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Subject: Ayla "jr" vs "sr" powers (was RE:  lsh 41)
Keywords: Gossamer vs lightning lass
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:41:53 GMT
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Donald Simmons asks:

>Maybe one of the long-time readers can answer something for me. In
>this issue Alya Ranzz Jr. has the power to alter the mass of objects,
>while Alya Ranzz Sr. throws lighting. Why are their powers different?

The original legion had a "no-duplicate powers" clause in their
constitution.  When Lightning Lad was "killed" by Zaryon the conquerer
his twin sister, Ayla (then known as Lightning Lass) took his place.
He came back to life.  Then they were both in the legion.  Then Dream Girl
tried out and used "Naltorian Super-Science" to make Ayla lose her lightning
powers.  Dreamy later revealed that Ayla's powers were now to make things
super light so that she could stay in the legion along with Garth.

Time passes.  Ayla (now known as Light Lass) resigns from LSH and returns
to Winath.  Mekt Ranzz (Lightning Lord) kidnaps her then tortures here
while she is wearing some sort of power dampner shackles...
She eventually escapes and realizes that her Lightning Powers have returned
She then rejoins the Legion but the "no duplicate powers" clause is not
violated because Garth has resigned so he and Imra could have kids.

Time passes, LSH disbands, then the new series starts and then...
the SW6 batch shows up.  Ayla (the younger) has the Light Lass abilities, while Ayla (the elder) still has Lightning Lass powers.

And there you go in a nut shell.
                                           -Tony

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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
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Subject: Re: Grimjack
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:00:58 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


>So I went on reading it but Jim Twilly never meant much to me and I 
>didn't really like the art from that point on.  Everything seems 
>recycled, the magic wasn't as much fun... Still, the adventures of John 
>Gaunt will always be memories of a good spell in comics for me.
>
>And Munden's Bar.  I really miss Munden's bar.

Actually, I started reading GJ with the Jim Twilley incarnation, and I must say I
find it very hard to decide wich is best. They are very different, and I like them 
both. The Twilley era was more grim (no pun!), and they had a  less moral side;
wich I regretted. (Remember GJ #9? These where  good times...)

But for nostalgia's sake, these issues surronding the "Reunion" storyline were the
best darn issues of a comic I read in a lifetime...

And boy, do I miss Bob!

Seeya at Munden's. I'm willing to pay the first round.


Daniel "Grimdan" Roy
of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"
-- 
"To you I'm an atheist; To God, I'm the Loyal Opposition"
					(Woody Allen)
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:29:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.204533.12301@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <93020.111835U58505@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>> First of all, I am Roman Catholic (not a practicing one mind you, I
>> just go to church every Sunday; for the rest of the week, religion isn't
>> really part of my life).
>
>[FLAME:]
>Then you're not really a Catholic.  You only do the pantomime and lie to
>yourself into believing that's enough.  Get in all the way or get out.

A wise old cardinal once said, "Just because you're standing in a garage, 
doesn't make you a car."


>[FLAME OFF:]
>

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man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul M. Minutillo)
Subject: Re: Doom 2099 #3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:56:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.205441.917@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>This just isn't Doom.  He's too far out of character.  One of Doom's
>defining traits -- along with techical brilliance and arrogance -- is
>a sense of *style*, and this Doom hasn't got it.  A sense of style and
>a feeling of noblesse oblige would combine to prevent Doom from involving
>the populace in his battle with Wylde.  It would be far more consistent
>for him to hold off until he could just walk in and take Latveria.
>
>-----
I find the Doom 2099 comic to be interesting and well written, but I agree
that the character is not the same. I think it will be revealed that this
is Victor vonDoom, but he seems to be much mellower than the original 
article. 
Problems with the characterization:
-The real Doom hates the scars on his face and would be willing to do anything
 to get rid of them. This Doom WANTED the scars left on his face.
-Doom is always interesting because his inventions are so incredibly far
 advance of his time. Now, it would be difficult for him to produce
 anything of wonder in the 2099 era that has not already been acccomplished.
-Reed Richards is one of the primary motivations for Doom's actions. I
 doubt we'll be seeing anything of him
-What about his mother? If the Triumph and Torment graphic novel was part
 of mainstream continuity then she was saved--if not, then she has been in
  torment for over 100 years and this would surely be tormenting Doom
-20th century Doom needed no one. This Doom is taking the gypsies as allies
 and using their help so I doubt they will be discarded. It's just not
 the same if you start giving the character friends!

All in all, I like this title--possibly after Latveria is reclaimed we'll
see the Doctor back in his original form.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"So long have I sought to control fate. For indeed, my failure to do so
 in the past has ever been my downfall. And the manifestation of that desire
 has been a lifelong dream to rule the world, a dream that has now come
 true. Yet in the dream....I ruled as conqueror, not administrator. The fight
 for victory is a noble one, but of what worth is victory devoid of challenge?
 Somehow, the dream has grown hollow....."
					Dr. Doom
					Emperor Doom Graphic Novel

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From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
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Subject: Comics printers...
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:33:41 GMT
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

On the inside covers of their books, Dark Horse Comics says
      their issues are printed in Canada, as does some Marvel
      and DC's.  Does anyone know what these print companies
      are, and where they're located?  Reply by e-mail if
      possible.  Thanks!
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: BATMAN- P. Craig Russel!
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:08:00 GMT

In article <C16HB0.2IH@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Ground Chuck) writes:
>I just wanted to second the recommendation for "Hothouse."  I haven't seen
>any of P Craig Russel's artwork before (well, actually I have -- he did
>Gotham by Gaslight, as I recall, but it didn't stand out as much for me.)

>Chuck

If my memory serves me right, Russel also did some work in the Morbius series
in Adventures into Fear from the 70s. The stories are pretty campy, but I 
thought that the art was...interesting.


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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:27:30 GMT

albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.232500.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>>tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>>> 
>>> Which depresses some of us becasue Dream is fictional and Neil is married
>>> and both are therefore unavailable.
>>
>>	(Hmm...worth a try :-)
>>	Say, Lady J, I know a lot about Dream and I'm available....
>>	(Nope, it's not a good pickup line.  Oh, well.)

>	It's okay, Elmo.  But it's all delivery.  If you walked up 
>to her in your trenchcoat (after rumpling it) with a day's growth of
>beard, and a Brit accent, well, it might work.

And I meet him in my rumpled trenchcoat, cigarette in my mouth,
and built in british accent, it might just be fun.  Kinda scary,
but definitely interesting.

At least we always know we'd have something to talk about.


LJC ;)
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless, donations accepted......
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Iris Allen & LSH
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:56:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <C16r47.Kpx@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>  Sure.  It was established way back at the end of the Silver
>Age Flash's series that his wife, Iris Allen, was really a time
>traveller from the future.  When his series ended, he travelled
>into the future to live happily ever after with her.  

Have they ever explained how Iris had a family in the present?  Were
they time travellers, too?  (Which would mean that Wally would be
a time traveller, as well, wouldn't it?)  Or did she just hook up 
with some people and pretend to be their daughter?

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: wiz@maths.tcd.ie (Oisin Murphy-Lawless)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #63
Summary: Troubled SoulS 
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:05:07 GMT

I always thought the reason Troubled Souls was so good was that it was written
and drawn by two people from Northern Irland. Avoided the overdose of feeling
and compassion you can get from writers who don't know what it is really like.

+---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Oisin Murphy-Lawless    /--/--/       | "Since when did the devil use 4-Star |
| Trinity College        /  /--/        |  Petrol for his Pyrotechnics!"-Morse |
| Dublin                /--/--/--- '92  | "the Lord of Hell will do what he    |
| e-mail:wiz@maths.tcd.ie               |  damn well likes!"-Lucifer, Sandman  |
+---------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+

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From: ROWJOSP@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: LJC, beer, and trenchcoats
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:24:11 EST

In article <C1Htxq.4CE@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
 
[lots of beer stuff deleted]
>
>Personally, when talking of alchoholic beverages, I love Woodpecker cider.
>Can't stand beer, so cider is great, though I do like a half pint of
>bitters now and again.
>
A woman after my own taste! Have you ever seen hard cider here
in the States? I haven't been able to find it.
 
>As for non alcholic, I also like ginger beer.
>
You and the Doctor.
>
>LJC
>
>--
>Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
>tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
>Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
>LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
 
P.S. I'm quite new on the net, and I posted a response to the original
"net.trenchcoat.brigade" posting, but I think it got lost. It was something
like:
 
"It has not been my custom to associate so freely with my fellows on the
ether. While such a gathering may serve our purposes, I fear that for the
time being, I must remain ... a stranger"
 
Actually, I can on occasion be spotted on the rainy streets of New Haven
wearing a black trenchcoat and a black fedora, and *sometimes* even a
turtleneck ... :-)
 
Yours, Si Rowe
_________________________________________________________________
"I think twinkle is a very nice word. So's viridian. I knew a
lady once who had an imaginary fish."      -Delirium
 
"I'm on Aslan's side even if there isn't any Aslan to lead it.
I'm going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there
isn't any Narnia."    -Puddleglum the Marsh-wiggle
                      _The Silver Chair_ by C.S. Lewis
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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Regarding Future Imperfect
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:46:54 GMT
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John Elmore (jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: In article <C17poz.AtB@news.ucs.mun.ca> cweir@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Corey Weir) writes:
: >       Future Imperfect, Future Imperfect, that's all I see on this
: >group lately. All it was was a story about the future where the Hulk has
: >mellowed out after many years, calling himself the Maestro. Oh yeah, he
: >has control over the world, or something of that nature. The Hulk of
: >Present Day is enlisted to overthrow himself in the future, as the
: >Maestro has taken care of all the superheroes. I think this is what it
: >is about, I personally haven't read it...help me out, net people. Am I
: >wrong or not?
: 
: FUTURE IMPERFECT seems to be one of the best Hulk stories that has come
: down the pike from Peter David 

Really?   

: What's really interesting is that the Maestro is in many ways, the "dark
: side" of the new Hulk. He has Banner's intelligence, but his personality
: seems more suited to that of the gray Hulk. (PAD has hinted several times
: that the merger as it is may not be permanent or stable...) I hope PAD
: pulls off the inevitable fight scene in FI #2 well.

By all means, one has to hope the inevitable fight scene comes off well.

doug
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