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From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Should Indian states need more autonomy?
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:30:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bu2MAG.GwH
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <92248.142134DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <Bu2B53.3C4@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T
>Narayana) says:
>>
>>>
>>>[... other examples of state power, deleted...]
>>>What you say is not the whole story. The union government has the
>>>power to get rid of a state government at will (and that is quite
>>>constitutional). Since a popularly elected state government does
>>>not have a guarantee that it can serve its full term, all other
>>>power it may have becomes meaningless.
>>>
>>Union government does not have the power to get rid of state govts
>>at will! It does so only according to the constitution. Even the
>>NT Rama Rao was removed when he lost his legislative majority
>>and wanted to hang on to his chief ministership. Numbers tell.
>>Nadendla BHaskara rao with his followers formed a separate
>>group! NTR never had any majority at that time. What made NB
>>break away from NTR is a different story, it doesn't come into
>>the consitutional role of the central government.
>>Actullly because we have such a controlling authority, people
>>at least can hope that there are limits to the power of the
>>idiots ascending the throne of chiefministership.
>>
>
>Recently in Meghalaya, Governor was recalled and president's
>rule was imposed on the state. The fault of the governor was
>that he did not dismiss the then elected government. He rather
>let the elected chief minister resign on his own. The state
>was thus entitled to a fresh election but the central government
>asked president to dismiss the governor and impose president's
>rule in the state.
>
>Similarly there are many cases; where Governor's assessments of
>the state situation were different from those of the political
>aspirations of the PMO. In all the cases governors either had to
>leave or live to the wishes of political masters in Delhi.
>
>The other side of the coin is that many politically appointed
>governors are always too eager to please the extra constitutio-
>nal wishes of either the home-ministry or the ever powerful
>PMO.
>
>regards..          Deepak
>

A governor of a state is an appointee of the president of India.
That appointment is made on the advice of the govt of india.
That being the case the center has every right to withdraw
a governor. It is upto the governor to exercise the states
rights, if he is competent to do! Autonomy is not going 
to solve that problem. Elected governors draw away the power
of chief ministers. The cabinet form of government that we have
does well! If one wants the presidential form as in USA that is different.
Once we have a cabinet style govt modeled on teh westminister,
that is the best we can have. Actually the westminister model is
superior in many respects to the US model. 
..kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgccncr@citec.oz.au (Nick Russell)
Subject: India/Nepal/Kashmir - info needed
Organization: CITEC
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:41:29 GMT


I'm going travelling in India and Nepal in about ten days, taking roughly 
the following route: 

	Calcutta - Darjeeling - Kathmandu - Pokhara - Varanasai - Agra - 
	Delhi - Srinigar - Leh - Delhi - Jaipur - Jodhpur - Udiapur - Delhi.


I'm after any general advise anybody has about the trip, in particular places
that I *must* see. I've also got a couple of questions:

1.	Is it possible to go overland from Darjeeling to Kathmandu (ie. has 
	the border been reopened) ?

2.	What is the current situation in Kashmir ?  Is it a sensible idea to 
	go there ?


Any replies gratefully received.

Nick Russell

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.usual stuff

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.kerala
From: mramesh@nyx.cs.du.edu (M Ramesh)
Subject: A cascade from PANTNAGAR 
Followup-To: alt.cascade
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:06:17 GMT

In article <185b95INNsd@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
>manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>>Then why don't you post it to, say, rec.humor? (I guess you CAN do that,
>>but then you might get your butt flamed... which is what I might consider
>>doing if the original poster doesn't withdraw his post from ack)
>
>	I think you are taking this a bit too far. what does rec.humor have 
>to do with india? But kerala is part of india, I dont see any reason
>why the query is not valid on ACK and these threats you make about flaming..
>please.. not on *public* nets.. if you people feel like dictators find 
>a banana republic somewhere and try it there or else *moderate* this group!
>if you dont want to take that responsibility then you will just have to 
>live with post which *you* think are invalid.

Your point about the query being valid on ACK maybe (argubably) right.

But, why do you insist that every post on any public forum is
defensible?

Flaming part is bait, you booing fire-eater!

-- Ramesh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC BROTERHOOD - BOSNIA V/S SOMALIA
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 08:49:46 GMT

suresh@papaya.iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) writes:
(stuff deleated of refrence articles  (S.D.R.A.)
>Yes, that is a different question altogether but I ask if the rest of 
>Arabia would sit tight should Libya be struck by famine. IMHO the 
>racism factor can't be discounted altogether, though there are no facts 
>from BKumar in  this discussion so far to substantiate it.

>It is interesting though that Israel grants entry  to black, brown
>and yellow jews whether they are being persecuted for being Jewish
>or not. Shouldn't  we applaud Israel for that ? 
>***************************************************************************
>* Suresh Thennarangam               *  EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) *
>* Research Scholar                  *         ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET          *
>* Institute Of Systems Science      *  Tel:  (065) 772 2588.              *
>* National University Of Singapore  *  Facs.: (065) 778 2571          *
>* Heng Mui Keng Terrace             *  Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988             *
>* Singapore 0511.                   *                                     *
>***************************************************************************


The racism factor (till to date) is to be ignored when you talk about
Muslim or Jewish Brotherhood. 

There is no major evidence of racism in any of the above religions.

You are right to praise Israel for accepting Jews irrespective of 
their race.

But some may argue the job proportion of Arab Jew is less in Israel. 
Actually, Arab Jews are not as efficient as European Jews and hence 
proportion of European Jews is more in jobs.


Bye
Adil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Shooting at Concordia uni, Canada
From: S.P.Pandey@massey.ac.nz (S.P. Pandey)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:10:19 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c


Hi netters,

Any details about shooting of two Professors of Mechanical Engineering
Dept at Concordia uni, Canada by a fellow Professor V. Fabricant.
Fabricant has a civil suit filed against Prof. MNS Swamy, Dean of
Engineering and another fellow Professor Seshadri Sanker disputing some
joint publications.

Any details about the names of the two Professors dead and the three
other wounded?

Thanks

Surya

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: News@Ugle.Unit.NO (Thayanantha Balasundaram)
Subject: have you had more fun with me?
Keywords: destiny
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:08:53 GMT

In article <la5mogINN3m3@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
 >  (Vivek Mehra) writes:
 >  (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
 >  >(Vijay Fafat) writes:
 >  >> (M. Ramesh) writes:
 >  > > (Vijay Fafat) writes:
 >  >> (Philip  Wang) writes:
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets start a neat thread!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets dart a wheat bread!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets fart, said fred!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get smart, meat head!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all buy a head!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets fill the world with dread!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's chart a course for your sister's bed!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Let's chase your mom instead!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>>Let's face it, Elvis is dead!!!
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>>But who is Greatfull? Perhaps the Dead?
 >  >> >> >>>>>>>Right Said Fred
 >  >> >> >>>>>> My wife gives good head!
 >  >> >> >>>>>I think I'll extract this thread.
 >  >> >> >>>>Why don't we paint the world red?
 >  >> >> >>>Why don't we give everybody head?
 >  >> >> >>Why don't we kill people who write threads?
 >  >> >> >And perhaps paint this thread blood red?
 >  >> >> I'm givin' up and goin' to bed.
 >  >> >But wait! There's more to be said.
 >  >> Be twit Fa-ta-fat! His amour advises bedrest!!! 
 >  >> Begone Ramesh! you're a pesky pest!!
 >  >  Well done Vijay! Now,keep your mind at rest!!
 >  Oh Shit! I just missed my flight to Budapest! 
 > Now was that a drunk act or plainly in jest??
 > (use standard english) what jest?

 > >> 
 > >> >
 > >> >And they'll continue extending this ... sigh ...
 > >> And why will Kant's retinue want this ... neigh ...
 > >> Cause the bacchanalians can't recant this pie ...  
 > >  Alas! Did you drink too much  whisky of rye?
 >  No, but all who did may now stand up.. and say AYE!
 > And all those who are standing may sit down .. ask why??
 > (use standard english) why?
 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 > 
 > 



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sriram@cs.uh.edu (Sriram Raghunathan)
Subject: Re: I will close you by my ices --[ The Tiger Cascade ]
Organization: Computer Science dept.,  Univ. of Houston (Main Campus)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:58:17 GMT

In article aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>In article 3519@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU(Icarus) writes:

>> >>>>>>>>I will close you by my ices.
>> >>>>>>> I will lose you by my dices.
>> >>>>>>  I will kill you with my spices.
>> >>>>    Hi willki, you with mices ?
>> >>>>    No Vepal, that would be crises.
>> >>      No pal, begone, that suffices.
>> >       Adieu, to you and your vices.
>>         Farewell then to fame's avarices ?
> [Venkat] Stop this, please,you novices.

			  No point in floccinaucinihilipilification.

--
sriram
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: madiraju@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Sharma VR MADIRAJU)
Subject: REPEAT : Only for PEOPLE from KLCE VIJAYAWADA
Originator: madiraju@krang.vis.citri.edu.au
Organization: Department of Computer Sci, University of Melbourne
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:51:20 GMT

Hi      
  Is there anybody from Koneru Laksmaiah College of Engg [KLCE], Vijayawada? 
 If so please respond to the following email address.

           Madiraju@krang.vis.citri.edu.au


  Thanks

					Madiraju Sharma

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Vision
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   Research Institute (CITRI)               Home +61 3 563 1832
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: myneni@cs1.bradley.edu (Srinivasa Myneni)
Subject: Airline Agents numbers
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:45:25 GMT

Hi Netters,

	Could somebody out there please post the addresses and numbers
	of travel agents dealing with airlines flying to India. I am 
	leaving for India in Dec/Jan period. I have seen a list of names 
	long back on the net but they are not now. Please help me out.
	Thanx a lot in advance.
	My e-mail address: myneni@bucs1.bradley.edu 

	Thanx once again.
	Myneni.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: swami1@troy.uucp (22535-swaminathan)
Subject: Re: re: Icarus' ices
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.164724.7090@athena.cs.uga.edu> mehra@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Vivek Mehra) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.000104.22683@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug30.174720.3241@news.Hawaii.Edu> vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu  
>>(Vijay Fafat) writes:
>>> (M. Ramesh) writes:
>>> (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>>> (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets start a neat thread!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets dart a wheat bread!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets fart, said fred!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get smart, meat head!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all buy a head!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets fill the world with dread!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Let's chart a course for your sister's bed!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Let's chase your mom instead!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>>Let's face it, Elvis is dead!!!
>>> >> >>>>>>>>But who is Greatfull? Perhaps the Dead?
>>> >> >>>>>>>Right Said Fred
>>> >> >>>>>> My wife gives good head!
>>> >> >>>>>I think I'll extract this thread.
>>> >> >>>>Why don't we paint the world red?
>>> >> >>>Why don't we give everybody head?
>>> >> >>Why don't we kill people who write threads?
>>> >> >And perhaps paint this thread blood red?
>>> >> I'm givin' up and goin' to bed.
>>> >But wait! There's more to be said.
>>> Be twit Fa-ta-fat! His amour advises bedrest!!! 
>>> Begone Ramesh! you're a pesky pest!!
>>  Well done Vijay! Now,keep your mind at rest!!
>Oh Shit! I just missed my flight to Budapest! 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >And they'll continue extending this ... sigh ...
>>> And why will Kant's retinue want this ... neigh ...
>>> Cause the bacchanalians can't recant this pie ...  
>>  Alas! Did you drink too much  whisky of rye?
>No, but all who did may now stand up.. and say AYE!
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

PLEASE STOP CHANGING TITLES!
I CAN'T KEEP ADDING TITLES FOR THE KILL FILE EACH TIME THIS COMES
UP!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.cascade
From: mramesh@nyx.cs.du.edu (M Ramesh)
Subject: The Tiger Cascade Departure - II
Followup-To: alt.cascade
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:33:52 GMT

Nath S. Gopalaswamy writes:
>Icarus writes:
>>>>>>>>>>I will close you by my ices.
>>>>>>>>> I will lose you by my dices.
>>>>>>>>  I will kill you with my spices.
>>>>>>    Hi willki, you with mices ?
>>>>>>    No Vepal, that would be crises.
>>>>      No pal, begone, that suffices.
>>>       Adieu, to you and your vices.
>>        Farewell then to fame's avarices ?
>         Is there no end to your artifices?
          Their end begins our filial arts!

Ramesh
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: REASONS WHY I POSTED TO S.C.T AND A.C.K [REF. PANTNAGAR]
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.032127.3044@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> vkrishna@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vijay Krishna) writes:
>
>1. I was working on my research paper and I found a reference
>   of some professor who is associated with the area
>   in which I am working and who is/was (?) in Pantangar. 

We are not really interested in knowing your reasons.., we really don't care.

>2.  Being unaware with the geographical location of Pantnagar,
>    I confused it with Palghat (I guess it is somewhere in
>    Kerala).

You mean to say that WE should suffer for YOUR ignorance?

>3.  I have to work on a time bound assignment and I found it 
>    convenient to post the query to s.c.i, a.c.k and s.c.t.
>    Unfortunately, none of the responders have answered my
>    query, but instead, they kept on fighting on petty ego 
>    quibbles.

Buddy, we are really not interested in your problems.. we have
our own (believe it or not!). You broke the rules, so you apologise.
No amount of reasoning is going to make what you did right.

>BTW, I am leaving for Europe and I would advise to stop
>all this nonsense chain of replies and counter replies. 

man, what arrogance!!! You expect us to act as YOU wish?

>I have received the following information regarding Pantnagar
>from some of my friends: 

Like we care!!

>V. Krishna  

Njan
From: kamdar@granite.ma30.bull.com (Jayesh Kamdar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Needed Information about MULTI-SYSTEM VCR (PAL, NTSC etc.)
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:24:11 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Originator: kamdar@granite.ma30.bull.com

Hi Netters,

As "Subject" says, I need some info about VCR on which we can watch
both kind of recording PAL and NTSC. I have few questions here:

Is there any company which makes this kind of VCR ? 
Do I need a MULTI-SYSTEM TV set too, to go with MULTI-SYSTEM VCR ? 
How much extra do I have to pay for it ? 
If available, where can I get it from ? 

Any guide line will be helpfull. Please send me an e-mail, and later
I will post the summary on net. Thanks in advance.

Jayesh

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From: rj@Cadence.COM (Randy French)
Subject: Room for Rent in Santa Clara
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:47:37 GMT


August 25, 1992


Hello:

Big, clean, and nice room available for rent starting September 1, 1992, in
a shared housing in Santa Clara. The room is on the second floor of the
house, which has a large living cum dining room, a kitchen and a full bath.
This would be shared with a professional male working for a High Tech.
company in the valley. You would also be having an access to the washer and
dryer.

We need a clean, professional person to share the house. Six month lease
required. The rent is $350.00 per month. The house is located near 280/17
highway (about 3 miles) and very close to San Tomas expy.

Please don't reply to this account as a friend of mine will post this,
however, you may call me @ (408) 894-5269 Off and (408) 985-9419 Res.

Thanx,

Ajay

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gkj@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (girish.jain)
Subject: Re: Help for New Student, Univ of Windsor
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:57:46 GMT
Summary: Please note my correct Email address for sending me any
	 info, in response to my earlier posting, thanks
	 Correct email should be gkj@wmsa.att.com
Keywords: Accomodation Questions, Dept of Geology.

In article <1992Aug31.155137.18506@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, gkj@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (girish.jain) writes:
> To Students/Faculty at University of Windsor, Windsor, Ont, Canada:
> 
> I am looking for some one to extend his or her gracious help to guide
> my brother-in-law get settled at the University of Windsor, Windsor,
> Ontario, Canada next week.
> 
> Specifics:
> 
>           Name:  Shashank Agarwal
>           Dept:  Dept of Geology, Earth Sciences
>                  New Graduate Student, Fall 1992
>                  Arriving in Windsor on September 5, 1992
> 
> He will need general guidance in finding an Apartment which is
> conveniently located for students (without car) for commuting to
> University as well as to necessary shopping, ofcourse reasonable
> in rent, etc.
> 
> I have given his name and address so that if you directly want to
> contact him next week in the department and help him. 
> Otherwise you may please contact me through email or telephone
> and give me some information that I may be able to extend to him.
> 
> Email: gkj@wmsa.attcom.att
  Correct should be: gkj@wmsa.att.com
> 
>  Tele: (908)615-4789 - W
>        (908)251-2707 - H , you may call collect
> 
> Thanks,
>        Girish Jain


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g2sreeku@student.business.uwo.ca (Sreekumar Gopalakrishna)
Subject: Indian CA recognized by U.S. Universities
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:54:32 GMT

Hi netters!

Earlier, I had asked the netters for information on this. Some of you 
wanted me to post any info. on this on the net. So here you go...

A report titled P.I.E.R. Workshop Report, was published in 1986 (?) by 
the National Association of Registrars and Admissions Officers and the 
National Association of International Student Affairs Officers. This 
report is available at the USEFA, Madras. It may also be available at 
your Universities and other US Consulates.

This report recommends an Indian CA (ACA), for graduate admission without 
any advanced standing.

Unfortunately, I do not have the address of the publishers with me now. I 
shall post the address on the net at a later date.

You should be informed that, I will not be able to reply to your messages 
personally. However, if I can answer any of your questions, I will post a 
reply on SCI.

Good Luck!
sreekumar

g2sreeku@student.business.uwo.ca (Sreekumar Gopalakrishna)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Autonomy to Kashmir - PVNR's new plan
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:36:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41987
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering




I came across a news article in MNSA very recently, which mentioned
about Narasimha Rao's plan to work on greater autonomy to Kashmir
within the framework of the constitution. 

This is a great and bold move by our Prime Minister. Probably, Rao
is the most practical of all our PMs so far. He seems to sense
the right thing - too much money going waste in controlling the
problem both in Kashmir and at Siachien (Rs 5 Crore a day and
Rs 3 Crore a day respectively).  If he puts this plan across to
our people in a sensible way so that they can understand the
situation, it will be the best thing he has done for India.

I think the Kashmiri groups must come forward to extend their
hands on this. At least this is much better than what they've
got so far. About absolute secession or joining with Pakistan,
they can think of at a later time under a more peaceful atmosphere.
May be after peace and tranquility returns to the valley; after
all the venom and hatred subsides.

I also would be glad if Pakistan appreciates this move and comes
forward to help diffuse the situation. The people in the Kashmir
valley are suffering with no income or peace. It is time they
got a chance to stand on their feet economically and have time
to think clearly.

It is time people in power realized that no body can be ruled
by brute force for long. That would lead to the collapse of
the very center of power in the long run.

It is time for negotiations.

Partha sarathy

NB: My humble opinions. Jingoistic replies will be ignored. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian