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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:18:57 -0700
From:         "(Gordon C. Zaft)" <zaft@CARITAS.COTDAZR.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Fatima, Part 5 (Medjugorje
              12:22pm)

On Oct 14, 12:22pm, CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET wrote:
} Subject: Fatima, Part 5 (Medjugorje
} (Con't)
}
}   In 1957 Lucia (Sr. Lucia) said that her purpose was not to tell the
} world of physical chastisements, but to warn the world of "the
} imminent danger we are in of losing our souls for all eternity if
} we are obstinate in sin."
}   The Blessed Mother has appeared many times since 1830, calling her
} children back to God. The most remarkable of all these apparitions
} continues today in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Hercegovina.
}   In June of 1981 the Blessed Mother began appearing to six children
} in what was then Yugoslavia. She has appeared there thousands of times
} in the past 11 years and 3 months. This is an unprecedented event
} to have gone on so long and she has told the visionaries that when her
} visits cease she will never appear again in our world. The visionaries
} are Jacov Colo, 21, Mirjana Dragicevic Soldo, 27, Vicka Ivankovic, 28,
} Ivanka Ivankovic Elez, 26, Ivan Dragicevic, 27, and Marija Pavlovic, 27.
} The Blessed Mother appears to each of them daily until they receive
} a total of ten secrets, then her daily visits cease. Mirjana and Ivanka
} have each received all ten secrets at this time, the other 4 visionaries
} have received 9 of the secrets. Some things, they say, are good and some
} are bad. They tell of events to occur that will "shake up" disbelievers,
} then a great Miracle, then the Chastisement (or chastisements).
} On April 22, 1986, when Vicka received her 9th secret she cried.
} Mirjana, upon receiving hers, begged the Blessed Virgin to have it
} lessened.
}   Mirjana still receives occasional visits from Our Lady to help her
} cope with the burden of what is in store for mankind. "She wants to
} prepare us for this, so I do not make a mistake," Mirjana says.
} "And she talked to me and said we need to pray more and more until the
} first secret. And do penance and sacrifice, especially now before the
} first secret. If you knew how it gets to me when I think about it! If
} Our Lady wasn't with me I would probably go crazy, knowing what is
} waiting for us. The young people don't know what's waiting for them.
} I cry and pray for them and ask Our Lady to enlighten them."
}   Mirjana has declared that the first 3 secrets involve warnings.
} The Blessed Mother not only related secrets verbally, she gave them
} also to Mirjana in written form on a strange piece of material that
} is neither cloth nor paper nor fiber known to this world. She is the
} only person who can read what is on this material and she is the
} only one who knows the "day and hour" of each warning. Ten days
} before the event of the first secret she will reveal it to Fr. Petar
} Ljubicic, whom she herself has chosen, and he will then fast and
} pray for 7 days and decide if and how to reveal the secret to the
} world.
}   In 1985, Mirjana gave Fr. Ljubicic several hints about the warnings.
} The first, she indicated, was "nothing good" and more severe than
} some to follow. She said it was not a "catastrophe in a huge sense
} but to prove there is God".Some may try to explain the first two
} warnings as natural,she said, but for many "the first warning will be
} self-explanatory."
}   The first warning will last a short time and there will be no
} worldly indication of its coming. When asked who would see it, Mirjana
} replied "All those who are going to be present where the secret is
} taking place." She also said it would not be the sort of event that
} would make people want to "come and see".
}   There will be a period of grace between the first and second secret
} to allow people the opportunity for conversion. Mirjana would not
} divulge the length of time between the first 3 secrets, saying "One
} secret could be today, another tomorrow, as just an example".
}   The third secret involves a great sign to be left on Mt. Podbrodo.
} It will be supernatural, "permanent, indestructible, and beautiful."
} It will be like fire, but not really fire. When the sign appears,
} Mirjana says, no one will doubt that God exists. But it will be too
} late for many to convert. The encounter with Divine reality will be
} catastrophic for those who have not already turned to God. But for
} those who have done so, it will be a time of great joy."
}   Little has been said of the fourth, fifth, and sixth secrets, and
} the last 4 seem to relate to the Chastisemnt. Asked if Mary  had
} spoken of the apocalypse or the Second Coming. Mirjana answered, "That
} is part of the secrets. I would not like to talk about it."
}   The apocalypse and the Second Coming are part of the secrets, and
} so far all but Jacov, the youngest, have stated that they will be
} alive to see the secrets come to pass.
}   On November 6, 1982, Our Lady told Mirjana, "I have prayed, the
} punishment has been softened. Repeated prayers and fasting reduce
} the punishments from God". One of the punishments that was lessened
} has to do with the seventh secret given to Mirjana, but it was
} lessened, not eliminated.
}   Mirjana says the eighth secret is "worse than the seven before it.
} I begged the Madonna to get it mitigated, and at last she said if
} everyone prayed it might get averted. But then she told me the ninth
} secret and it was even worse. As for the tenth, it is terrible, and
} nothing can alter it. It will happen."
}
}   Once a month in Medjugorje the Blessed Mother gives a message for
} the world. On April 25, 1992 she had the following to say:
}
} "Dear children, today also I invite you to prayer. Only by prayer will
} the war be stopped. Therefore, my dear little children, pray and by
} your life give witness that you are mine and that you belong to me,
} because Satan wishes in these turbulent days to seduce as many souls
} as possible. Therefore, I invite you to decide for God and He will
} protect you and show you what you should do and which path to take. I
} invite all who have said yes to me to renew their consecration to my
} Son Jesus and to His Heart and to me, so we can take you more intensely
} as instruments of peace in this unpeaceful world. Medjugorje is a sign
} to all of you and a call to pray and live the days of grace that God
} is giving you. Therefore, dear children, accept the call to prayer with
} seriousness. I am with you and your suffering is mine. Thank you for
} having responded to my call."
}
}   Jesus told the Pharisees and Sadducees, "You know how to read
} the sign of the skies, but you cannot read the sign of the times."
} (Matthew 16:3)
}
}   We are each free to choose what we will believe.  Can we read the
} "signs of the times"? Do we have preconceived notions that may
} blind us to these signs? Have we defined God and His works in our
} own way and will recognize nothing else? What does a spectacular solar
} miracle viewed by tens of thousands 75 years ago mean to us today?
} What do the conversions of multitudes in Medjugorje tell us? What does
} it mean to us that these events are coupled with the Mother of God
} pleading for all of us to return to God and pray with seriousness,
} to make sacrifices and pray for sinners, to offend God no more?
} And what does it mean to those who reject any role, beyond motherhood,
} of the Blessed Virgin when one of the messages of Fatima was that
} God demands reparation for offences committed against the Immaculate
} Heart of Mary?
}
} Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell,
} lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of thy Mercy.
}-- End of excerpt from CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET


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