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From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: SunSoft Windows Positioning
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:34:20 GMT

In article <1e0grvINNije@armory.centerline.com> matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
>In <e5pcprq@openlook.Unify.Com> fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco) writes:
>>>Q4. When will XView be EOLed?
>>>A4. There are no EOL plans for XView, nor are we considering it
>>>    in the foreseeable future.
>>
>>	Hell, once you say there will be limited new functionality
>>	after 2.2, that *is* the EOL.
>
>I have to concur -- this sounds pretty much like the death knell for
>XView, which is too bad since it's one of the few X11 toolkits that 
>mere mortals can learn to use.  [The OI class library is the other 
>one, at least if mere mortals want to program in C++ :-)]
>
>>	Why didn't SunSoft let us, the *LOYAL* XView developer
>>	community, know of at least some notion that it was even
>>	thinking of doing this?  
>
>Sun has been quietly telling various developers to ues OLIT for quite 
>some time.  They suggested that we use OLIT instead of XView to build 
>new versions of CodeCenter almost two years ago.  (Incidentally, we 
>didn't end up using either one.)

it's true. if you seemed concerned, Sun recommended OLIT.
personally, i'd rather not do UI programming but i have
learned to use XView (reasonable task for any programmer
to learn menus and panels) because i am doing graphics.
it's too bad. i think Sun has done OK for me. i've built
around a dozen panels using XView and Sun freezing XView
is fine as long as they ship it with their window system.
i'd guess from the announcement that XView will be shipped
with their window system for at least 3 years and probably
longer. my UI consists of graphics windows and panels
and doesnt make any pretense of going further than that.
i think XView is great for such applications.

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From: hund@math.uni-muenster.de (Ulli Hund)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Problems running XNeWS from xdm
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:52:55 GMT
Organization: Westf. Wilh.-Universitaet Muenster, Germany.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hund@math.uni-muenster.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: dwalin.uni-muenster.de
Keywords: XNeWS, xdm, OpenWindows, fromxdm


Hi,
  we are using SUN OS 4.1.[1-3], OpenWindows 3 and MIT X11R5, especially
xdm, here.
Everything works quite well, but now we encountered a big problem and
we really do not know at all what is going wrong. I'll try to describe it:

We use the xnews XServer and start it from the XServer-script with the
option -fromxdm, as it is done in the XStartOW-script provided from
Sun. The xnews Server belongs then, after login, to the user who logged in, as
it should be. OK, this worked fine until now, but now the following happens:
If the user who logs in is in more than four groups, the switchuid is not
done to the user id but to the group id of the fifth group (even if he/she
is in more than five groups).

Does anyone out there know this behaviour? Is it a known bug or -- even better --
is there a fix for it? What about the undocumented "-fromxdm" feature? What
is it for?

Thanks for reading all this, I would be really glad if anyone could help us...

Ulli

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jefff@meaddata.com (Jeff Fleck)
Subject: Re: MailTool3 and .signature files
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.210739.21362@sq.sq.com>, lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin) writes:
|> Including your .signature in OpenWindows 3 Mailtool Version 3:
|> 
|> [1] slowest, most general
|> 
|>     type the filename
|> 
|>     select it
|> 
|>     hold down the Left key or Alt key and press i (for Include)
|> 
|>     Press return when the dialogue box appears
|>     
|>     the filename will be replaced by its contents.
|> 
|> [2] faster
|> 
|>     Use Edit->Properties to make a template whose filename is the name of
|>     your .signature.  Use Include->Templates to bring it into your message.
|> 
|> [4] fastest, least general
|> 
|>     copy /usr/lib/.textswrc to your home directory
|>     chmod +w $HOME/.textswrc
|>     edit it to change (for example) the line after
|> 	KEY_RIGHT(7)    FILTER
|>     so that it looks like
|> 	KEY_RIGHT(7)    FILTER
|> 	cat /home/sqlee/lee/.signature
|> 
|>    with /home/sqlee/lee changed to your login directory, of course.
|> 
|>    The next time you start mailtool or textedit, control-left-shift-R7
|>    will insert your .signature, replacing any selected text.
|> 
|>    Yes, control-shift-left-R7.
|> 
|>    If I can work out how to use a simpler key, I'll put this in the FAQ.


I just used the R3 key.  It works great.


|> 
|> Lee
|> 
|> 
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From: kjberte@cray.com (Kurt Bertelsen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: I lost my cursor.  Help!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:20:32 GMT
Reply-To: kjberte@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Some how I lost my little cursor(triangle)  for my OW applications.

I can still type , it is just that I can't see the cursor.  Makes
editing difficult.  All of my OW apps(textedit, shelltool, cmdtool,...)
exhibit this problem.  Is there a fix other than exiting the window
manger and restarting?

Thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: holen@xilinx.com (Victor A. Holen )
Subject: Re: path in title bar
Organization: Xilinx Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:25:28 GMT

In article <> luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:
.......
>For example, "\E]ltext\E\         - set tool header to text" 
>NOTE:  Replace \E with Cntl-v then EscKey in vi, which will look like ^[ 
......
>alias header    'echo -n "^[]l\!*^[\"'  ### see NOTE
....
This worked very well for commandtool windows. Thanks
But it doesn't work for the xterm window under openlook.
Any ideas ?

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From: skdutta@ucs.att.com (Saumen Dutta)
Subject: New openlook Toolkit!
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:33:23 GMT

We are looking for an xview toolkit capable of 

1. providing various panels.

2. letting user cut and paste bitmaps from other drawing tool.

3. providing widgets like radio buttons etc.

I understand none of these are available in devGuide. Let me know
if you know of anything better.


Thanks a lot
-skdutta

NB: Please e-mail response. If there is enough interest I will
summarize.
From: tca@cs.tu-berlin.de (Georg Hess)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: How can I configure vertical "stack settings" ?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:41:11 GMT
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: gundula.cs.tu-berlin.de
Keywords: devguide

I'm using OpenWindows Devguide V 3.0 to create Userinterfaces for my programs.
 
* For those of you who are using Devguide:
In Devguide in the "Connections Manager", there are two setting boxes. One
for Source, the other for Target. Normally if I push the MENU Button on a 
setting, a selection box pop up to show me the options. If I push the target
setting, nothing appears. There is a warning:

XView warning: Menu too large for screen (Command Menu package)

The menu options normally are shown in horizontal order on the screen.
How can I change this, and let them display vertically.
On another machine I saw that this is possible.

* For all others:

I don't know, if the problem described above is typically for Devguide or
for OpenWindows. Same problem appears in Workspace Properties window of OpenWin.
If I push the MENU Button on the Category setting, the options are shown horizontally.

thanks.
Georg
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From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: OW shutdown notice default
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:28:24 GMT

> mckie@sky.arc.nasa.gov (Bill McKie) asks
>> Openwindows 2.0 on SunOS 4.1.1:
>> 
>> Is there any way to specify the default on the olwm shutdown notice to be
>> the "Exit" button rather than the "Cancel" button?
>> Also, is there any way to suppress this notice?

sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu) writes:
> I"D LIKE to know this too , except for OW3....

I don't know how to change the default on the shutdown notice, but
you can do a fast Openwindows exit by putting
	"Quick Exit"		POSTSCRIPT  shutdownserver
in your olvwm or olwm menu file under OpenWindows 2 or 3.

This will give a very fast exit indeed, and is not particularly graceful.
NeWS programs won't get a chance to save anything, so if you use Framemaker,
you probably need to save all work first...  For this reason, I am reluctant
to add this idea to the FAQ.

Lee

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From: fgreco@cfdev1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Printing from within an Xview program
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:02:40 GMT
Distribution: world

> What is the prefered mechanism for an Xview program sending something to the
> printer?  I would typically want to gen a file, and then do a
> system call to lpr...
> 
> 	sprintf(command, "lpr %s", filename);
> 	system(command);
> 
> The Xview documentation however warns against directly using system
> calls because of confusions with the Notifier.  I could have the
> program fork, and then do an exec call, but that seems like a lot
> of effort for the system to go through for such a simple task.

	You don't want to system() this.  You just want to "fork it
	off".  There's an example of how to do this in the XVPM.  In an
	non-windowing environment, you should only use system() only if
	you need the shell's help.

	It would be nice for Sun to give us a nice alternative to system()
	for XView.  Or perhaps the devguide folks could do this.

	Frank G.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: rkod5@fel.tno.nl (R. Koolma)
Subject: question
Keywords: objects
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:28:13 GMT

Hello, I am faced with the following problem :

  We have a simulation program. Now we want to draw the objects in a window.
  Sofar no problem, use a canvas. But now we want to be able to pick an 
  object with the mouse and get information on a different screen.
  The problem is that I don't want to use low level routines to get
  the (x,y) position of the object and then check in a list if there is an
  object close enough to this position.
  The best thing would be something you can tell to move to some position and
  which generates an event when clicked on. This event should contain all the
  information about the simulation object (pointer).

At this moment I don't have the experience to create something like this. Some
help would be nice.

Please send E-Mail, I read it more often.

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From: hund@math.uni-muenster.de (Ulli Hund)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: ol(v)wm 3D window effects
Date: 6 Nov 1992 07:13:19 GMT
Organization: Westf. Wilh.-Universitaet Muenster, Germany.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hund@math.uni-muenster.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: dwalin.uni-muenster.de

In article 48326@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, freedman@oldfield.colostate.edu (keith freedman) writes:
>when opening a window, I get those lines trying to simulate that the window
>is growing from the icon.  This seems to get slow when the systems are bogged
>down.  Is there a way to turn this off??
>

Just read the man page: Under GLOBAL RESOURCES you'll find:

	IconFlashCount (integer)
		Number of times to flash the open/close "zoom" lines.
		Default value: 3

So you just have to insert the following line into your .Xdefaults file:
olwm.IconFlashCount: 0

Ulli
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From: twbrown@PE-Nelson.COM (Tom W. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: Hey, this is windows.misc, not mswindows....
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:15:55 GMT
Organization: PE-Nelson

In article <1992Nov9.153714.13488@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, cosham@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Cosham) writes:
|> In <camh.721270771@balrog> camh@nms.otca.oz.au (Cameron Hutchison) writes:
|> 
|> >cosham@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Cosham) writes:
|> >>	I'm getting a trifle annoyed with all the MS-WINDOWS postings to
|> >>this group.  There are specific groups setup for MS-WINDOWS and those
|> >>postings should not be sent to this group.
|> 
|> >This is something that is going to keep happening. The only way to
|> >fix it would be to rename it to comp.gui.misc (or something equally
|> >appropriate, just anything without "windows" in it).
|> 
|> >Is it worthwhile doing this? Too much hassle to change the whole
|> >comp.windows... hierarchy? Maybe someone wants to start the ball
|> >rolling, as I have no idea what needs to be done to change the name.
|> 
|> I quite agree with this.  I am a MS-WINDOWS user myself, but I like to
|> keep up with what's happening with other GUIs.

There was a RFD for a comp.windows reorganization awhile ago (along the
lines of comp.gui).  I posted a reply on news.groups in favor of this, but
haven't seen much else.  Anyone know the status of this discussion?


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: chrysler@psych.umn.edu (Susan Chrysler)
Subject: Is there a PowerBuilder newsgroup?
Keywords: PowerBuilder, Windows
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:33:11 GMT

I'm looking for information about PowerBuilder running in an IBM Windows  
environment.  Are there any users or newsgroups conerning PowerBuilder?

In particular, I'm interested in creating re-usable objects from a CD-ROM.

Thanks in advance.

Sue Chrysler
Department of Psychology
University of Minnesota

Please respond via e-mail:

Chrysler@text2.psych.umn.edu
From: ch966@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jose M. Febus)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Paradise Drivers
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:50:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi..
	I want to know if Paradise Drivers (640 X 400 X16) are 
faster that the ones included in Windows 3.1, and where can i find the
fastest drivers for my card in that resolution.
	Thanks...
-- 
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	"Drinking at Yagrumo"
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: ohs3013@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (osama satti)
Subject: WINDOW SOFTWARE
Reply-To: ohs3013@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:29:39 GMT

Hi netters,

	I am looking for, as many as possible, softwares for window 3.1 that deal with the small buissiness. From customer record to accounting to invoices. 
I just need the names of that kind of software. Please mail be at:

        ohs3013@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

thanx,
osama
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: isc10192@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH KHANG WEE)
Subject: Re: WinProCommPlus and AfterDark
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:06:19 GMT

Emm.....how much memory do u have ? I use Procomm+ for Windows with
Afterdark 2.0 on Win 3.1 with 8 MB of Memory and it works fine...of
course i set up a permanent swap file of 10 MB on the HDD too.

regards

Jerry Koh
From: ch966@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jose M. Febus)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: AMI Pro vs WORD
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:52:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi
	I want to know wich Word Processor is the best, Ami Pro 3.0
or Word for Windows 2.0. I am planing to buy one ... Plase help me...
Thanks...
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	Jose Febus
	"Drinking at Yagrumo"
From: pierre@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: WinProCommPlus and AfterDark
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:18:53 GMT

I am using Windows 3.1, w/ 8 meg ram, svga mode 256 etc. using Trident drivers.
My problem is that whenever procomm Plus for Win is running, Afterdark will not 
work.  I will either blank the screen or do nothing at all - depending on which
module I am using.  Any help or ideas? I have just about tried everything. I 
thought it may have been QEMM using the same mem address, but I quickly 
eliminated that possibility.
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From: camh@nms.otca.oz.au (Cameron Hutchison)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: Hey, this is windows.misc, not mswindows....
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:59:31 GMT

cosham@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Cosham) writes:

>	I'm getting a trifle annoyed with all the MS-WINDOWS postings to
>this group.  There are specific groups setup for MS-WINDOWS and those
>postings should not be sent to this group.

This is something that is going to keep happening. The only way to
fix it would be to rename it to comp.gui.misc (or something equally
appropriate, just anything without "windows" in it).

Is it worthwhile doing this? Too much hassle to change the whole
comp.windows... hierarchy? Maybe someone wants to start the ball
rolling, as I have no idea what needs to be done to change the name.

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From: aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: .gifs to windows' .bmp ?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 06:02:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa699@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Thomas)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cmoraga@dcc.uchile.cl (Cornelio Moraga O.) says:

>	Does any know a software to translate .gifs files to .bmp
>	for Windows (ftp-able?)
>	Thanks in advance
>
>	cmoraga@dcc.uchile.cl
>
>
Graphics Workshop is the best program for converting to and from a
number of raster formats inclusing BMP, TIFF, PCX, Targa, GIF, etc.
There are both DOS and Windows versions and they are available from
many BBSs and sites such as CICA, SIMTEL-20 and GARBO.

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From: lund@diku.dk (Henrik Lund)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: Postscript viewer
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:32:25 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Ok-Hyeon Kim - ES55) writes:

>berriosj@homer.WPI.EDU (Javier Berrios) writes:

>>Hi folks!
>>I'm looking for the ftp site for a postscript viewer for windows.  I've heard of 
>>Ghostscript, but I don't know where to look for it.

>>Any information?

>>E-mail: berriosj@homer.wpi.edu


>So am I.   
>E-mail : kim@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov     Thanks in advence...

Me tooooooooooo

Why is GS for Windows so hard to find ?

Henrik Lund 
Email lund@diku.dk
From: CIR_TLW@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Tristia Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: TCP/IP Print Drivers?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 14:37:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

We have an problem to which we are sure there has to be a solution...but
have no idea what that solution might be...

We have a Zenith 486, with a Cabletron Card (network connection) and we
would like to print from Windows 3.1 to a DEC LPS400 using TCP/IP
connections.  We would like to be able to do this without Pathworks or
Novell or any kind of other "formal" network...besides TCP/IP.  The problem
that we are seeing is that Windows doesn't have the necessary print
drivers.  Are there any TCP/IP-only drivers that might help, either public
domain or otherwise?  Any other ideas that might be usefull?

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