From: uugblum@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (VMScluster Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: DECW => DECW MotifREAD/NEW/FOLLOWUP
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:17:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug18.075556.1@ptavv.llnl.gov>, oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes...

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>NO!! You MUST install DECwindows before installing Motif. The internal battles
>over who is responsible for what are not worth the time to go into, but all
>device support comes from the VMS group and is part of basic DECwindows. The
>fonts come from VMS as well. There is a different group doing Motif. The Motif
>installation procedure assumes DECwindows is there and things will not work if
>it's not.
> 
>Odd aside: The Motif distribution includes 75 and 100 dpi fonts. I recently
>switched to a new workstation and wanted the 100 DPI fonts. No problem. I ran
>VMSINSTAL on DECW$MOTIF and selected only the 100 DPI fonts. The program told
>me that 75 DPI fonts and 100 DPI fonts would be installed.
> 
>No problem. Since 75 DPI fonts are required, it probably ignores the response
>to teh question and always installs them. (But why ask the question?)
> 
>The installation procedure ran for about 15 minutes and, Shazam! No 100 DPI
>fonts. I found the 100 DPI fonts in DECW$MOTIF010.E which was not even
>unpacked. Hmmm. Time to call CSC. The guy there informed me that even though
>the installation procedure asks about installing the fonts, it never really
>does anything with them. DECwindows is the only source of the fonts, so I had
>to do a DECW$TAILOR to load the fonts.
> 
>Does this story confuse you? If not, please try to explain it to me.
> 
>I asked if this would be fixed in DECW$MOTIF011 and was told that it would not
>and that there were no plans to ever fix it. (Note: CSC folks have been known
>to be in error on future products.)
> 
>R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
>Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955
> 
>Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
>and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.

Thanks for the correction.  The procedure I previously posted was correct
for installing Motif on a VMS 5.4 to 5.4-2 system.  I was at VMS 5.4-1 last
September when I installed Motif.  I wasn't told by DEC CSC at that time that
these steps were not valid for all versions of VMS.  I just confirmed your
statement of not tailoring off the old DECwindows software.  I was told that
if Motif V1.0 is installed on VMS 5.4-3 or higher, that the Device Support and
Font files would not be installed.  Thus, don't tailor these items off.

1) Delete all X-resource files in your directory.  The old resources files
   are not totally compatible with the Motif applications.

2) Increase Sysgen parameters and SYSUAF quotas according to the installation
   guide and release notes.

3) Run SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL to install the DECW-MOTIF V1.0 software.

4) Apply the following CSC patches.

   CSCPAT_208   FTDRIVER patch
   CSCPAT_287   DECwindows Motif 1.0A update
   CSCPAT_1035  DECwindows Server patch

5) Reboot the system. 

6) Customize your new DECW Session Manager and the Motif Window Manager.

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