From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Well, even Adolph had to start at thge bottom ...
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:23:00 GMT
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In article <1993Jan6.024058.677@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.170753.2785@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>    >>Sig Heil Merline - fuck democracy, how dare a popularly
>    >>elected person vote against the way YOU want. Too bad we
>    >>don't have no labor kamps, eh?
>    >>
>    >Seems to me that Mr. Pugno is free to vote the way he sees
>    >fit as a member of the executive council of the A.S.. Also
>    >seems to me that people are free to launch a recall campaign
>    >against him if they don't like the way he votes. If he is as
>    >popular as you say, he should win the recall easily. Frankly,
>    >I have trouble understanding what you are complaining about,
>    >seems to me that we have a group of people exercising their
>    >freedom of association - something you seem to favor.
>
>Well, as Merline, being a faculty member ind a NOW local leader, is rather
>more powerful that Andy, look at it this way.
>

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>A relatively powerless person is elected on the basis of his platform. He
>upholds his platform and votes per his campaign promises.
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Whoa!  IS THIS A PC STATEMENT OR WHAT?  Yes this powerless and opppressed
individual is up against the horrid system that attempts to crush all of
those that disagree with it.

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>A very powerful person, upset at this, along with the election of someone
>they disagree with, uses non-Democratic means to subvert this democratic
>procedure.
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Another one another one-  PC correct, a powerful faculty member who is 
utilizing coercive methods to oust the oppressed powerless student member.

>
>For example, "slap" lawsuits, which are aimed by powerful/wealthy figures
>against those that oppose them and are relatively much less powerful.
>
>In short, they are "Walshing" him -- turning political disagreements into
>"crimes".
>

I saw nothing about disagreement ---> crimes.  They are starting or have a
RECALL- becuase they are not pleased with his performance as a council member.
That is all!

Unlike "Walshing"  I guess lying to congress is just a disagreement, not a crime.

>Yes, as long as there is FOA. But, the PC trend has been to coercively punish
>those with anti-PC thoughts. (An example will be posted soon).
>

Coercively punish?  A recall?  I think it is called democratic procedure.  Sorry
if an elected official does not like that, then they should stay out of the
political process.

>For example, the Statement of Academic Freedom and Tenure, which is accepted
>at all California instituions of higher learning that receive public funds,
>states that students and faculty "they should be free from INSTITUTIONAL
>censorship or discipline".
>
>

And this has nothing to do with what is going on...

They are attempting to start a RECALL.

This is not censorship or discipline, it is the choice of the people to change
their representation.
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