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From: lindaj@solbourne.com (Linda Weygant)
Subject: Re: Kill Posers!!
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:00:25 GMT

Philip Wang (pwl@15cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes:

>Finally, did it occur to you that some of us might actually LIKE stuff that
>Poison of Def Leppard does and still enjoy Bolt Thrower and Carcass
>simultaneously? Aside from the fact that the same metal fans also like jazz,
>blues, and / or classical for that matter.  Just because someone likes a style
>of music doesn't mean that the same person can't like anythingelse, and
>whether you like it or not, the term "heavy metal" does not mean "bands
>Maple does not like and therefore no one else should like lest he be a
>pervert or loser."  I find it difficult to believe that you are actually a 
>"metal fan," so unless you prove yourself (no, ranting about Slayer and
>Danzig doesn't cut it.  Anyone can do that), expect either people ignoring
>your posts or flaming you back (which I doubt you care).  If you don't like
>what's on this newsgroup hit "u" and save us the torment oreading your
>oft repeated monologue about "death to posers."

   At last an intelligent voice is heard on this subject!!  While the 
discussion of jazz, classical, etc does not belong on this group, people should
bear in mind that every person is different and interprets different art forms
differently.  This includes heavy metal, metal, rock, or whatever.  What I
consider hard rock, others consider "poser" music.  What I feel is garbage, 
others feel is the cornerstone of their lives.  I assume that most of the 
people with access to this net are adults in educational communities.  Let us
act as such and remember to respect opinions without bashing them and calling
them wrong.  It is this type of attitiude that makes it possible for Hitler
and Saddam Hussein to rise to power.  

  Now can we continue discussion of music or should we create a new newsgroup
called alt.my.opinion.is.right.and.yours.is.wrong.you.poser!
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 19:26:25 EDT
From: <32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: TAPES FOR SALE

$3 each plus .50 cents shipping.

Email me and let me know.

DEFIANCE          Void Teraa Firma
NUCLEAR ASSAULT   Handle With Care
GRIM REAPER       Rock You To Hell
MANOWAR           Fighting The World
KING DIAMOND      Them
IRON MAIDEN    Somewhere In Time
EXODUS            Fabulous Disaster
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Re:(Samhain and Candlemass (was:Questions and Requests
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:22:54 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep4.162806.785@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
> In article <4SEP199209294800@zeus.tamu.edu> dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE) writes:
>>When Caroline signed Glenn, they also got the rights to Misfits material.
>>Thereby the decided to re-release some stuff w/ extra trax:
>>   Earth A.D. w/ Mommy..., and We Bite [Original release doesn't have the
>>            latter two and is a Plan 9 release]

'Course, if you got it on record, you *still* didn't get those, and had to lay
out another $7 for a 12" 45. Pretty good deal for Caroline, huh?

>>   Legacy of Brutality  unreleased trax except that a few were on the 
>>            Misfits 7" & Glenn Danzig 7" releases
>>   Initium/Unholy Passion released together in one format

That's what I keep asking about! I have never seen this. My copies of Initium
are all just Initium, sometimes with different packaging. What the hell is this
thing?! Does it have Unholy Passion tracks? Will somebody answer me?!

>>   Evilive w/extra trax released with 5 additional trax to the original
>>            Misfits Evilive 7" release
>>
>>Since then they've put out the Misfits Comp album and Final descent which
>>have just milked the dead corpse for money for a few trax that we haven't
>>heard

Well, I don't complain. After all, buying re-releases is a lot cheaper than
buying bootleg, and tons cheaper than buying originals. I actually wish they'd
release more...When the Misfits were active I was just a young tyke whose
parents would never have bought any such noise for me, and I might not have
appreciated it anyway (though you never can tell--I was a twisted child).

>>By the way, the Caroline deal did not include the rights to the Walk Among 
>>Us lp which was on Slash Records or the 4 song 12" released in Britian which
>>name eludes me at this time
>>
>>Anyway that's it for me
>>
>>Dave
>>
> 
> Never seen a copy of Misfits Walk Among Us on Slash. My original copy,
> bought in 1983, was on Plan 9. My current copy is on Warners/Plan 9, I think,
> but I don't have it here to check. 
> 
> 					--Judex--

I don't have it here either, but the record I have is, I think, on Slash. CDs
are all on Warners/Ruby. Never seen it on Plan 9. As I understand it, the
Misfits got ripped off on this album. Pity, since it's their best. 

--Semhaza
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Subject: Obituary/Malevolent Tour 
From: jtmack@rincon.sfsu.edu (James T. Mack)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:46:39 PDT



 If you like Celtic Frost, you'll groove on Obituary. Total droning guitar  
riffs from the bowels of Celtic/Melvins cartel. I went and saw 'em at the  
Omni in Oakland Ca. Malevolent Creation definately had the best facial  
expressions of the night. It seemed like they played their old songs ( The  
Ten Commandments) twice as fast, intense as hell. The bass player is  
definately the coolest to watch, playing with all four fingers ( in fact  
only cannibal corpse had a picking bass player). If you hate Malevolent's  
albums, go see 'em live for they definately grind. Cathedral opened up,  
but was hella boring cause they don't move or anything, their sound wasn't  
that good until the last song which happened to be a Black Sabbath song (  
I was baked and forgot wich one). Agnostic Front played before Obituary,  
cramming mass doses of punk rock down the throats of all the serious Death  
Metal freaks. Their was a nice colorful mix of florescent mohawks with the  
scraggly long hairs. They were cool, had two singers, punk rock and tons  
of tattoos and the bass player for Obituary came out and played the last  
five of six bars of one of Agnostic's songs. Puff, Puff. Obitury  
definately ruled the show. Their sound was killer, the backdrops were  
cool. Going from the old Obituary logo to the new one in the middle of The  
End Complete ( how heavy metel of them ). Played every song I like from  
them and made my earplugs seem like tissue paper. Definately seem them if  
they ever come to town. One fight, tons of rocker chicks, barely any  
reefer, expensive BUD in a cup, $30 long-sleeve Obituary and Milwaukee  
Death Metal convention shirts. Didn't even try to get up front, everyone  
was pretty crazy.
Heavy Metal.........
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From: c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye)
Subject: Bolt Thrower (was I'm Back)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:11:58 GMT

I recall readinga few dozen posts back about the production of Bolt Thrower
albums.  While admittedly Realm of Chaos came out a trifle indistinctly,
Warmaster had excellent sound quality and a much smoother sound ... well as far
as smooth applies to this particular style of music.

Another note:  anyone reading this from Australia at all and know of any up and
coming tours?  I heard rumours of Napalm Death fronting up sooner or later as
with Slayer.  The Morbid Angel and Sepultura tours have been and gone but
Metallica would appear to be about 8 months late... hmmm...
From: jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Metal Church lyrics
Date: 15 Sep 1992 23:27:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 14:26:13 GMT-10:00

Well, I've searched the lyrics servers
and I can only find very few Metal Church lyrics
I was wondering if anyone has the lyrics for
In Harms Way, and maybe the entire Human Factor album??
-- 
/------------------------jbell@mihi.une.edu.au--------------------------\
| so, understand  |-----Iron Maiden--"Wasted years"-----| | Justin Bell |
| the wasted time always searching for those wasted years |             |
| face up, make your stand |---Iron Maiden? EXCELLENT---| |  +61-67-72  |
| and realise you're living in those golden years         |     6247    |
\-------------90 Taylor St., Armidale, NSW, 2350, AUSTRALIA-------------/
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From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Kill Posers!!
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:50:25 GMT

Excuse me tom..  looks like you should follow your own advice.  What the
hell did you think we would be talking about in Kill Posers.  I noticed
you didn't skip the article.  You also felt right at home posting your
insults and your garbage.  As you said 'that would be too intelligent'.
I noticed you have taken any active steps to get your own newgroup.
HA!  You're doing as much bitching and lame posting as me.
I love it.  You go on this huge tirad about skipping articles that don't
interest you, etc, and you go and do it!

							W O L V E R I N E
p.s.
Thanks for firing up this thread
again.  I almost thought it was
going to die
From: singh@r-node.gts.org (Rajendra Singh)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Anthrax
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:50:21 GMT
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System

In article <BuBu65.ACE@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
>I think Anthrax *is* in the studio.  The new singer is Jon Bush from
>Armored Saint.  There is a brand new live compilation video out entitled
>"Live Noize", which I believe was taped on last year's Anthrax/Public
>Enemy/Primus/Young Black Teenagers tour.  I read in Western Front 
>News that Joey's parting was amicable and that the band also plans
>to issue a live CD commemorating the Joey years (titled something like
>"Live Noize:  End of an Era").

Why did the original singer leave?  The first thing that attracted me to
Anthrax was the sound of his voice, and I do believe that I am in the
majority when I say that he is one of, if not the, best singer in Thrash
Metal!

How does the new guy compare?  I haven't listened to any of A. S.'s stuff,
so I don't know.
-- 
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From: mucds@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Corey D. Stinson)
Subject: Re: Pretty Maids
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:40:56 GMT

   I agree, Pretty Maids is metal (esp Future World) and I don't think
we need d@ckheads like Maple setting the standards for our converstions.
In my opinion, Pretty Maids is a lot closer to something like Armored
Saint or Black Sabbath (which is frequently discussed here) than to G n'
R.  Other opinions please?
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: about the "old Manowar 10 Records set"
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:46:05 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Sep15.021709.20708@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>I'm sorry that I caused so much confusion with this, but what I meant by that
>was that 10 Records was a record label and Manowar at one time was signed to
>that record company (SIGN OF THE HAMMER), and I thought that Manowar had other
>albums released on the 10 Records record label. Apparently not, everything
>else having been released by Liberty, Atco, and Atlantic (I think Liberty.
>Wasn't BATTLE HYMNS on Liberty Records? I believe Liberty is a faction of
>EMI).

	Hold it -- "everything else released on Liberty, Atco, Atlantic".
Nope -- "Into Glory Ride" and "Hail To England" were released on 
Music For Nations in the UK ("IGR" was released in America on Megaforce
as well -- "HTE" never got a US release).  I think you're right about
"Battle Hymns" -- it was either a EMI or Capitol label of some sort ...

>I hope I didn't make this into a bigger mess with this post.

	Umm ... :-)

					Brian

	PS  Philip -- I owe you email -- will get to it soon ...

-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
..!sdcsvax!bruss	bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
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From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Subject: Re: Carcass
Keywords: Carcass
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:11:40 GMT


>>On Carcass' CD Necroticism:
>>Does anybody know any details about whose voice that is on the intro to the
>>third song, Symposium of Sickness?  It goes something like, "It really amuses
>>me that the Latter-Day-Saints of our business, one attribute to me motives 
>>just weren't there and two accuse me of corrupting morality which I wish I had
>>the power to do.  Prepare to die."  That might not be entirely correct but if
>>you have heard that intro and know any more info on who it is and what he is 
>>talking about I would be greatly interested.

>It's the voice of some patheologists recorded at a hospital. They've got a kind
>of morbid sense of humour, and that is what Carcass is trying to show.
>Remember: The day you die, someone gonna cut your limbs apart....all that 
>remains is your CARCASS!

I don't think that one is a pathologist... the others about IDing
bodies (the REALLY nice ones) are, but the latter-day-saints one
sounds like some kind of serial killer.

MNSio
From: DAHUGH@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re:Carcass
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:48:06 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

It wouldn't surprise me if it was a pathologist.I believe the father of
the singer is indeed a pathologist.That's where the nasty pictures on
the album covers came from.I've also seen album covers that were never
printed because they were too ugly.How about pictures of someone who
died from piles?A guy I used to share a house with knew Jeff from
school,so he'd be around quite often.A nice guy,not what you'd expect
from the lyrics.He's also heavily into stuff like Skid Row and
Dangerous Toys.HA HA.
Dave
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy:2763 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:9789
From: kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kerwin Yap Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: WANTED Black Sabbath's lyrics and AC/DC's lyrics
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:53:39 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Please be more specific.  I know by heart all of the Ronnie James Dio w/
Black Sabbath lyrics, but you must name a song.  I do not intend to type
out all 28 sabbath songs with Dio singing on them. 


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u@andrew.cmu.edu
Cthulhu for President, 1992!
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From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: FUTURE of this group - EXPLAINED.
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:48:27 GMT
Organization: Vidal Sassoon's Mosh&Go

In article <1992Sep14.143612.6742@iscsvax.uni.edu> turner5427@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

   The idea of having an album list with ratings and/or reviews, was also slamm
   on by some.  I'm sorry if some of you are so insecure as to object to having
   your favorite albums rated by a majority and averaged.  Just because an albu
   gets a low rating by the group, it doesn't mean that it sucks and it can't b
   YOUR favorite anymore!  The USE of this is in trying to find albums that mab
   a lot of people think is GREAT, but you've never heard it.  Well, if a lot o
   people (those who have similar music interests) like it, mabey I would like 

No, I still oppose this done in public. Why should we be subjected to zillions
of postings consisting mostly of top tens. There's absolutely no value in such
lists unless you're willing to be led by the nose in record buying. And 
previous queries (in e-mail) have shown that the net.mettleheads are a very
conservative lot. You ain't gonna find much gems among the top records here.

Reviews, or even short mentions of an albums good/bad features would be a
much better thing. 

   Now, the RESULT of all this can not possibily do anything to degrade this
   group, but on the contrary can only STRENGTHEN this group in as it brings
   together people from all over the world to express their common interest: 
   HEAVY METAL!  Think of this as a FAN CLUB OF HEAVY METAL!  And as one person
   mentioned, if you really hate having to skip past any mention of or post fro
   this "LIST", one can always use the KILL files, RIGHT???  Good.  Thank you.

Am I just lethally lazy, or does this sound of "work, work work". I post when
I've got something to say or comment, I answer questions when I feel like it,
and see that no-one else has gone before.

   tt..

--
Ville Lavonius	        University of Helsinki, Dept. of Computer Science
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : "Some of my best friends are nukes" - R. Reagan
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Carcass
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:38:28 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.

>It wouldn't surprise me if it was a pathologist.I believe the father of
>the singer is indeed a pathologist.That's where the nasty pictures on
>the album covers came from.

Check out medical textbooks and/or police photos (if you have access to
them). Jeff's father is not the only source of this filth... :-)

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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: help with concerts
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:20:13 GMT

For some weird reson my dorm doesn't get The Village Voice for free, and as
I don't like the Voice at all except for its concert updates I'm not
about to buy it on a weekly basis. Anyone out there who has concert info about
any metal band coming to NYC in clubs, please e-mail to me. I'm especially
interested in any thrash, death/grind and just normal Manowar / Dio traditional
style metal, not the pop metal stuff (it's one thing to listen to pop metal,
but after seeing Def Leppard I doubt I'll go to another pop metal concert
again.)

philip



"Washington Boulevard, east-bound. Thirty-three...Can I get a transfer, man?
Ninety-five cents?! FUCK YOU I'LL SKATE TO THE BEACH, AND I'LL LOOK BETTER
GETTING THERE!!!" - Faith No More, "Death March"
e-mail Philip Wang at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple M. Moriji)
Subject: Re: Kill Posers!!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:07:23 GMT

sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine) writes:
: Notice the newsgroup is called alt.rock-n-roll.METAL.HEAVY
: (emphasize HEAVY)  You can't tell me you think that ANYTHING
: off that piece of shit/sellout album by Def Leppard can be called
: HEAVY METAL.  That album is such a waste of musical talent I can't
: even see straight.  What is the subject matter of each song.  LOVE!
: I play... and I can write LOVE songs till the sun winks out.
: Perhaps those of you who disagree with Maple and I (and others) should
: start a new group.  Some suggestions...
: 
: alt.rock-n-roll.hair.glam
: alt.rock-n-roll.spandex.hairspray
: alt.rock-n-roll.three.chord.nightmares
: 
: You get the picture.

I completely agree with you, my friend.  Def Leotard makes the same kind
of shit music like Bryan Adams and Richard Marx.  Hell, they're even
touring together.  I'm just sick of reading all these Ugly Kid Joe
and Skid Row crap on the metal newsgroups.  Take it over to your
beloved alt.r-n-r.hard.on and leave us REAL METAL fans alone.

C++ ya,

Maple

--

 /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\
 | Maple Metal Moriji            |  Through boiling clouds of thunder         |
 | The Poserkiller               |  Blasting bolts of steel                   |
 | maple@seas.gwu.edu            |  Posers going under deadly wheels          |
 | George Washington University  |  He is the Poserkiller                     |
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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Anthrax
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:26:34 GMT


>>I think Anthrax *is* in the studio.  The new singer is Jon Bush from
>>Armored Saint.  There is a brand new live compilation video out entitled
>>"Live Noize", which I believe was taped on last year's Anthrax/Public
>>Enemy/Primus/Young Black Teenagers tour.  I read in Western Front 
>>News that Joey's parting was amicable and that the band also plans
>>to issue a live CD commemorating the Joey years (titled something like
>>"Live Noize:  End of an Era").
>
>Why did the original singer leave?  The first thing that attracted me to
>Anthrax was the sound of his voice, and I do believe that I am in the
>majority when I say that he is one of, if not the, best singer in Thrash
>Metal!

Neil Turbin? No way, he gives my cat a headache! No idea where he went. Rumors
have it in Wheeling, WV (where I live) that Neil Turbin joined the Beastie
Boys, but Wheeling, WV for all you country music freaks out there (I hate
country music) is where Jamboree USA takes place, so how would they know?
>
>How does the new guy compare?  I haven't listened to any of A. S.'s stuff,
>so I don't know.

New guy has that "macho power metal" voice like the guys in Manowar, Warrior,
maybe Dio when he screams hard, that kind of sound. That's the big thing I
liked about Armored Saint (although from them all I've heard was the last
album).


philip
"Washington Boulevard, east-bound. Thirty-three...Can I get a transfer, man?
Ninety-five cents?! FUCK YOU I'LL SKATE TO THE BEACH, AND I'LL LOOK BETTER
GETTING THERE!!!" - Faith No More, "Death March"
e-mail Philip Wang at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
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From: sh666@selway.umt.edu (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Kill Posers!!
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:33:34 GMT

Notice the newsgroup is called alt.rock-n-roll.METAL.HEAVY
(emphasize HEAVY)  You can't tell me you think that ANYTHING
off that piece of shit/sellout album by Def Leppard can be called
HEAVY METAL.  That album is such a waste of musical talent I can't
even see straight.  What is the subject matter of each song.  LOVE!
I play... and I can write LOVE songs till the sun winks out.
Perhaps those of you who disagree with Maple and I (and others) should
start a new group.  Some suggestions...

alt.rock-n-roll.hair.glam
alt.rock-n-roll.spandex.hairspray
alt.rock-n-roll.three.chord.nightmares

You get the picture.

							Wolverine