From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Easy programming a must ??
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:56:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: kuhub.1993Jan25.135635.46745
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan25.124252.14512@dde.dk>, tpo@dde.dk (Thomas peter Sonne Olesen) writes:
> A) Every body agree that an OS without programs is useless.
> 
> B) Meny people agree that the lack of OS/2 programs is a major reason
>    why OS/2 is still not the standard OS on PC.
>    ( Yes I know that OS/2 runs DOS and Windows programs, but so does
>      DOS and windows ) 

Well, also OS/2 2.x has only been out for less than a year.  To become
the standard OS on PC's, it will take a few more years (assuming it
does eventually become the standard).

> 
> I believe that allthough at lot of developtment tools exist for OS/2
> GCC, emx, IBM's C-compiler theese tools doesn't make it easy for 
> every man to make programms. It's hard to make a PM program is C++.
> 
> Doesn't OS/2 lack of an easy PM dev. tool like Visual Basic ?

Well, it lacks Borland Pascal with Objects which is what I use.  I have
a windows application in development, and the minute BP comes out for
OS/2, I will port the application to OS/2.  But that probably won't be 
for another six months at least.

> 
> I think (as it has been said i this group before) that OS/2 is a wonderfull
> OS for programmers and over computer entusiasts. But the major group of
> PC users havn't learned computer science, and will use 90% of thier time
> using standard programs, and maybe 10% messing around with som small programs
> they have tried to make them self. All those people think products like
> Visual basic (or the macro Basic in WINWORD ) are wonderful product. It's
> very easy to make a program that really looks like the prof. ones. 
> (And maybe meny of the prof. ones are actually VisualBacis programs).
> They feel good about seeing their own programs between all the other 
> windows programs. 

I can't wait to program for OS/2!  32 bits, threads, yippee!  I think
Visual basic is O.K. for banging something out, but I wouldn't think
of using it to develop an application to distribute.  It is a pain having
the VBRUN100.DLL file sitting around in order to run the program, and the
performance is not fantastic (I am a performance nut).
> 
> Another reason why I think it is important with an easy programming tool
> is the first time programmers. A lot of young people that start to make
> programms stay with the OS where they developed their first program for
> meny years. A today that means DOS. All theese young programmers spend
> a lot of hours, week, month and maybe years learning every detail about their
> first OS. Then one day when they start to make serious programs they may in,
> many situation choose DOS again, simply because they then will know what
> they are working with.

Well, I started with CP/M on a Kaypro II.  Fascinating at the time.  Then
DOS on an XT.  I finally bought my own computer last March and started 
Windows programming.  Yikes!  A bit difficult, but I'm working through it.
Now I salivate for OS/2 programming.
> 
> The problem with the young folks is allso the main reason why the minimum
> hardware requirments for OS/2 is still a barrier.
> 
> Or what do you think ?
> 
> Thomas
> 
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