HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:12:22 EDT
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga Sucks and Amigoids are Suckers

In article <1992Aug31.030512.11722@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca
(Mystery) says:
>
>Amiga:
>     The wost computer ever produced/designed/made. A tasteless creation!
>
>Mac:
>     The best!  Period!!!
>
>IBM:
>     Another Best!   Period!!!
>
>Amiga Owners:
>             Cock Suckers.....programmed to sing in praise of a tasteless
>             computer!   BIG Period!!!
>
>Amiga SSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSS!!!


        What exactly is your point?
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: New CommodeDoor announcements!!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:35:09 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <Btu4DB.n4E@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick) writes:
>> Hey guys! Lookee at what I found on the Screw-the-Lawyers BBS!
>> COMMODE-DOOR TO ANNOUNCE BLAZESTATION 4000

In article <kkrebs.01dz@amilink.UUCP> amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs) writes:
>Hah!  Thanks for a most entertaining article, Mike.
>Good job.  Dan couldn't have done better...  (or could he?  We'll see.  ;-)

	Dan who?

	Anyway, I don't mind being upstaged by Mike.  He used to be the
c.s.a. humor god about 3-4 years ago.  When's "AmigaTrek IX" coming out,
Mike?!?

                                                        Dan

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Tandy's Multimedia CD Player (VIS)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:16:31 GMT

In article <64788@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>Well, you can't say I didn't try to warn everyone ;-P
>[...]
>>digital audio waveform output.  They haven't said yet, but I believe
>>that the first units will be 286-based.  No price announced yet, btw.
>                              ^^^
>This is called "The kiss of death" in 1992. Even 386's are considered
>passe in PC Magazine.

The 286, if that's the case, can be quickly changed. Tandy is very good at
bringing new things quickly to market. One should not underestimate this
product.
 
It's getting wild out there: Sega+CD, SNES+CD(), CD-I, Tandy VIS,
some new Mac, Turbographix+CD, MPC's, Mac's, Amiga's, CDTV, etc...and you
still have CD peddlers trying to get $500 for $50 products.

Forgot- Ultimedia...

Someone has to bring some order to all of this...

Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: A4000 in EggHead
Reply-To: tsm2124@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:06:34 GMT

I was speaking with a friend of mine in Maryland and he told me that
he was upgrading from his Tandy to an Amiga 4000 series computer.  He
said that his friend showed him a copy of the Egghead Christmas catalog
and that is where he saw it. I am trying to get a hold of a copy.  
	This would be very good for the Amiga community and Egghead could
pull off some of their famous upgrade deaks tto WB3.0 :)  It would be nice
to have a major retailer carrying Amiga software and hardware, and this has
been rumored for quite along time (the software not the A4000).

			Todd Major
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Shakeout in PC Industry Continues
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:50:57 GMT
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Aug30.175239.21003@leland.Stanford.EDU> Evan Torrie <torrie@cs.stanford.edu> writes:
>
>
>In article <1992Aug29.150736.625@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Mark Rickan,
>rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca writes:
>>Everex, Zeos try to hang on as PC market shakeout nears (p. 93)
>>
>>      "The other shoe has finally begun to drop in the personal computer
>>industry price wars, as the ravaged bottom lines of several second- and
>>third-tier vendors attest to. According to analysts, this is just the
>>beginning of a much predicted shakeout in the PC arena, and the trend
>should
>>continue throughout the year...
>
>  Librex (maker of notebook PC-compatibles) has just announced
>that they will cease operations at the end of the year, because
>they can't compete against Compaq's pricing.
>  I wouldn't be surprised if practically all the third-tier PC companies
>disappear in the next year.

It's going to be a bloody year.  IBM is now selling low end ISA machines.
Compaq and DEC with a 386/25 for $999.  A local store that was making it's
own PCs has closed.  And Compusa is expanding.  They have Dell and their
own Compudyne systems down to almost rock bottom prices.  Packard Bell seems
to have cut all their prices.

And the local stores say they are selling PCs like crazy during their
pre-school sales.  I bet there will be sharp price cuts during September
and October.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:55:44 -0400 
From: "Edward D. Berger" <eb15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
	<1992Aug30.203431.13831@ra.msstate.edu>

If the A4000 ships with an internal IDE type drive, who is to say it
won't also have a SCSI chip like the A590 which supports both types.

Even if it does not have SCSI built in, you can get third party ZorroII
SCSI cards ranging from the Trumpcard 2000 (~$70) to the deluxe Emplant
board (which is as unavailable as the A4000 is).  Better companies can
offer SCSI-II boards for the A4000.

--Why am I posting to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy?
Ed Berger
eb15@andrew.cmu.edu
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. AmigaOS (was Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon)
Date: 30 Aug 92 03:41:06 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Aug28.175748.42640@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> > I never said anything about "unfathomable somethings" that made AmigaOS
> > special.  There are plenty of realtime OSes around.  QNX, VMS, even SVR4
> > (though that's a bit wierd).  There are also plenty that aren't, such as

QNX is realtime. SVR4 and VMS aren't.

> > Unix and OS/2.

Some implementations of UNIX are realtime. QNX, for example. OS/2 can't do this
because the API is too low level. A low level API lets you get down and dirty
with the hardware, but it prevents you from making sweeping changes to the
kernel without breaking too many applications.

This is the problem with the Mac OS, OS/2, and the Amiga OS.

> OS/2's Multimedia extensions probably qualify it as a real time
> system.

I have never seen "extensions" that converted a system to realtime. You need
major surgery if it's not up to it in the first place.

> I don't think IBM sat down at the table one day and said, "Let's not
> make OS/2 a realtime os."

I'm not sure *what* design specs OS/2 had beyond "make it look like DOS". Would
someone explain the basic design philosophy of OS/2 in a paragraph or two?

> What can be guaranteed in a multitasking system?  Even with no VM,
> task A can be done in by task B, unless task be is suspended.

That's not true. On the Amiga, if task A has a higher priority than task B
it WILL get CPU time whenever it wants it, no matter what task B does short
of playing with interrupts or changing its priority. On the other hand, if
task A doesn't need the CPU for some reason task B immediately gets to run.

That's why you can run a ray tracer and an editor and never notice the ray
tracer's running, even on a stock 7 MHz 68000.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Have you hugged your wolf today?"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:14:30 PST
 <1992Sep3.040525.2537@ra.msstate.edu> <1992Sep3.204408.8792@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1992Sep3.214959.23973@usl.edu>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep3.214959.23973@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> What, pray tell, is a 'plasma bob'?

    A "bob" is a Blitter OBject. "plasma" is that affect one gets when
    color cycling a bunch of pixels. FractInt (PC fractal program) has
    a plasma setting. The balls in the PC demo "VECTOR" are bobs. A
    while back many demos came out with the goal of displaying more
    bobs on screen than any other demo, though my favorite one so far
    is in CEBIT'90 where they are used to show a Juggler doing its
    thing in a filled vector box.

> Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 03:32:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.001250.5610@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stephen J.Smith) writes:
>In <1992Aug24.184027.28027@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>After reading and posting to c.s.a.advocacy for over a year now, I
>>am somewhat bothered by the fact that I don't have a clue as to what
>>anyone looks or sounds like.  Would anyone be interested in uploading
>>an IFF picture of themselves and possibly an IFF sound-byte?  If this
>>sounds too goofy, sorry, but I'm not overly fond of not knowing what
>>a person looks like and I'm afraid that my imagination would not do
>>many of you justice.  :-)
>
>I think you'd be sorry.... :) Actually it would be interesting to see
>what the others look like, or sound. 
>
>Are you going to catalog the info yourself?
>
>>Any thoughts?  After all, aren't we supposed to be multi-media type
>>people because we own the worlds first multi-media machine?  :-)

I sorta kinda almost have access to a scanner.  Would anybody be interested
if I scanned something in?  Skip, what are you looking for? Pictures,...
GPAs... :)  ....Screen shots of our computers???

The IFF world depends on you, Skip........

>>Skip Sauls
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>Stephen J. Smith	Technical Officer	phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au

Lesse...  I see ol' Skip as a blond haired, blued, big built 6'6" guy
with a fridge full o' beer and a red Chevy S-10 outside.  Right? Curly
hair?  My I sound silly.

I dunno about Stephen J. Smith...What do you guys think?

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Shakeout in PC Industry Continues
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:21:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.175239.21003@leland.Stanford.EDU> Evan Torrie <torrie@cs.stanford.edu> writes:

[ ]
>
>  Librex (maker of notebook PC-compatibles) has just announced
>that they will cease operations at the end of the year, because
>they can't compete against Compaq's pricing.
>  I wouldn't be surprised if practically all the third-tier PC companies
>disappear in the next year.

What do you consider C=? I doubt that it's about to disappear. The companies
who have simply copied other people's work are in bad shape. They have
contributed little to the micro world, and won't be missed.
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:45:31 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <12872@ztivax.UUCP> stockamp@ztivax.UUCP (Klaus Stockamp) writes:
>An A3000 without HD, '030 and 881/882 (and no (much) RAM) ?
>--> Buy an A2000 !

	It isn't the same.   The 2000 has no SCSI built in (So if you have a
SCSI drive already you don't need to pay for the Quantum that Commodore
supplies by default), The 2000 has a 68000, the original poster suggested
an EC030 as the CPU...The 2000 has no flicker fixer built in, the 2000 has
a 16 bit bus, the 2000 has no room for memory expansion on the motherboard
, etc, etc...I agree with the original poster, I have lots of addons to my
dinky little A500 that I could use in a stripped down lower cost A3000
if Commodore offered such a thing.
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Amiga No OS?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:51:43 GMT

DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta) writes:

>You know, if you had spent money on an IBM or Mac in 1986 instead of an Amiga
>you couldn't even buy a stupid shoot em up game for your computer.

>	"1 meg Required"                  (Can't cram a Meg into that 1986
>					   Fat Mac)

  The Mac Plus was released in January 1986, and has no problems holding
4MB of memory.

Evan.  (who now has to bow down to Redmond's direction every morning
because Bill is paying for my office).

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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: New Products
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:07:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.144219.27083@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COMMODORE!!!
>> 
>>- A3000T/040.  Tower A3000 with '040 on a card in the CPU slot, 5 megs of
>>RAM, and a 200 meg HD.  The '030 and '882 slots are empty.  I couldn't find
>>out pricing, ther than to get an official comment that it would be "much
>>better" than adding an '040 card to a normal A3000T.
>
>	Isn't this the Amiga that CBM is already advertising at $5995.

Yes.  The "much better" implies it does come with the AA chipset.  That
would explain why the Byte article said it had good quality VGA.  Maybe
the price is an indication of things to come as well...

>							G.Greene

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Latest AmigaWorld
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:17:10 GMT


I received the October '92 AmigaWorld a couple days ago.  I do not have it
with me, but a few things come to mind...

A review was given of the A600.  It seems that the US will be seeing this
machine.  If I recall correctly, the reviewer says the beast should have
been given an 030 and the A500's expansion port.

GVP's ImpactVision-24 got a good review, but the article mentions that the
response of the board is a bit sluggish.

The editorial counter-argues Pournelle's (sp?) recent article about the
death of the Amiga.  The editor says the whole thing should have been
prefaced with "In my opinion...".

The two-page OpalVision ad has been changed.  It seems that only an A2000
and A3000 board has been released; there is no external version for the
A500.  Still, with all the features and expansion options, the board appears
to be superb.

There was some discussion of DMI's Vivid-24.  (I cannot remember if it was
a review or an announcement...)  This is the 34020 24-bit graphics board
which accepts up to 4 coprocessors and displays up to 2048x2048 resolution
with add-on memory.  DMI claims that the board runs current Amiga applications.

This is all that comes to mind at the moment.  I was not too impressed with
this issue.

Oh, there is one more thing of interest.  In that editorial it is stated that
Commodore has already said they will be announcing new machines, beyond the
A600...

-- Gerald
From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:13:01 GMT
	<1992Aug28.210551.9735@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9

In article <1992Aug28.210551.9735@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
	abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
>I will tell you what I want to see...
>
>...a digitized picture of Dave Haynie's workbench!!! (no... not the one
>on his Amiga... the one at his lab!!! :)

Hows about a digitised pic of the machine that his WB is running on also,
it's probably slightly more interesting! :-)


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From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fountain, CG Fonts
Date: 23 Aug 1992 16:49:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:

>The only
>difference between this and Adobe Type Manager is that ATM renders the font
>a letter at a time, as you use it. The Amiga's font rendering engine
>pre-renders the entire font, so there is a bit of a lag when you select a
>new point size. On the other hand, using the font is then lightning quick.

It would be nice if we could have this option, however.  Often I
only need a font for a SINGLE LETTER, especially in video design.
And it's a waste of memory and time to render the whole thing.
Also Art Department Professional won't load fonts larger than 127
fonts largely because the computer has to keep the entire font in
RAM.  This is most annoying.

>Commodore was able to pull off the introduction of outline fonts to the OS
>in a very backward-compatible way. It was very well done.

Agreed.  Now if they'd just supply a font editor!

Stratocaster
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From: dalbec@clavin.Eng.Sun.COM (Gabe Dalbec)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:57:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: clavin

>
> The MODs in hardwired alone beat Unreal's butt.
>
All this talk about hardwired made me finally download it, but it doesn't
work on the A3000.  I have tried 1.3 w/ degrader, but it doesn't work.
Does anyone have any way of getting this demo running on the A3k?

Thanks,
-Gabe Dalbec
A3000-25-157-10


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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:05:50 GMT

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
: Yes, it is true that an IBM emulation board exists for the 500 (several I
: believe) as well as for the ST line - BUT, the PC board for the Falcon has
: full bus access and can do real color VGA emulation, etc.  Also, the RAM
: expansion bus carries the PDS signals as well - Jim Allen is supposedly
: making a 1024x768 color res board to fit underneath.......

The IBM emulator for a 2000 and up, all systems with real buses and
several expansion ports, runs in CGA.  However, it will make use of
real IBM hardware in ISA slots that exist in the system.  So you can
add your VGA card.  And your TARGA board.  Or maybe you wanted the IBM
to have its own hard drive and controller...

This is heading more and more into the realm of pointlessness.  "Full
bus access"?  You must mean the ram bus...  So, does this emulator run
under the MultiTOS OS with full multitasking still working for Falcon
programs?  I'm not sure if it CAN, existing on motherboard signals and
all with no arbitration...

Greg

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:20:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>>AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links.  Well, are you prepared to retract that?

>   Not at all.  The fact is, people often lump SVGA and VGA into the generic
>term 'VGA'.  The statement made by the AmigaWorld reviewer makes the reader
>believe that there is no version of Links available for IBM systems that is
>better than the Amiga version.  This is a lie.

>>Francis

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

But AmigaWorld did say VGA version of Links, not VGA version of Links 386 Pro,
no?

--Kelvin       

PS: marc... honestly speaking, just give in for once, ok?                       
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