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From: ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Stuck in a Rutt
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:19:46 CST
Organization: University of Texas @ Austin
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In article <1gi5otINNbos@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes:
> 
> I often find myself stuck in the "rutt"-- where I'm sick of doing
> the same weekly routine, and my muscles become too accustomed to 
> doing the same thing over and over.  Anyone else feel this way?
> I need some suggestions as to how to overcome this.
> 
> --bando
-- 
This is _very_ common for all sorts of activities, physical or otherwise.
In any case, years ago when I was into power-lifting, I found that changing
my routines to high-rep, bodybuilding-oriented workouts for a few months
got me out of the rut.  Sure, when I went back to power workouts, I was
initially weaker, but I made progress more rapidly and eventually broke
through the original "plateau".  As I say, this was years ago, when I was
in my late teens to early twenties (I'm now 40).  In my mid-twenties, I
got hooked on distance running ... never at a "pro" level, but good enough
to run about 50 to 75 mi. per week at a pretty good pace.  Needless to say,
I would peak at a certain level, and begin to suffer from burnout.  I found
that the same formula would work as I had used when I was a weight-lifter:
I'd stop running distance for a few months, and take up bicycling to keep
up my aerobic fitness and also do interval training on the track a few times
a week.  The same thing occured when I returned to distance running ...
I was initially a bit slower, and my natural rhythm suffered at first, but
I was fresh and improved quickly.

After I hit my mid-thirties, I began bicycling more seriously.  It's less
stress on the joints and skeletal system, and depending on your chosen
route and pace (hill climbing for power, high-spin distance for aerobic
fitness and weight control, or sprint intervals for speed), it's a great
workout for my middle-age needs.  When winter arrives, and I'm beginning
to suffer a bit of bike-burnout (like this time of year), I substitute
running and gym workouts for the bike workouts.  By early spring, I'm
nearly always eager to get back on the bicycle.

This has been a bit long-winded, but I guess to summarize -- regardless
of your primary sport or fitness pursuit, take some time off and do
something else for a while when the inevitable burnout occurs.  You'll
come back to your "main gig" fresher and with a better attitude.

Good luck!
-
Curt Vaughan
Email: ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu

"...when you understand all about the sun and all about
the atmosphere and all about the rotation of the earth,
you may still miss the radiance of the sunset."
                        -- Alfred North Whitehead
-
Curt Vaughan
Email: ccfa001@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:15:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <28537@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:

>There are two kinds of people on the net:
>Those who know what they are talking about and
>Those who want you to think they know what they are talking about
>The difficult part is discerning between the two.
>
>Just some comic relief.............

Brain,

	If you kept up on the posts, you'd see I do know what I'm talking
about.  I've read the same studies that Chuq has, but I didn't have the
literature in front of me.  I most certainly do know what I'm talking about.
I don't BULLSHIT.  I give accurate and true information that's to the point
with no BULLSHIT!

I'm not laughing.

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lparisi@shearson.com (Lon G. Parisi)
Subject: Re: Natural Insomnia Cure Sought
Organization: Lehman Brothers, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:19:43 GMT

In article <Bz0Gxp.2sD@math.uwaterloo.ca> gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.183559.26404@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> katop@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Chris Katopis) writes:
>> Besides warm milk, are there any other natural remedies to	
>> help one fall asleep?   
>
>Lots of exercise?  It works for me...

I have to put my $.02 in. There is a point where too much exercise will
stress your body.  This will result in twitching in the middle of the night
as well as periods of light sleep-waking up-light sleep...This has happened
to me. If you need to sleep, try one glass of red wine (it wont kill you), and
some say it may help you.

Lon Parisi
(lparisi@shearson.com)
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:05:20 GMT

In article <horwath.724615078@geode11> horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:
}m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}
}
}>Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
}>interest in improving yourself.  Why?
}
}Why not?

There is "the sculpture sculped" problem - it HURTS!!!!

And then there is the small psychological problem involved in stepping
off into the unknown.

And the small problem that to become something else (sorta) means the death
of the original.
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Re: Excercising too hard?
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:14:53 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <24446@galaxy.ucr.edu> samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)  
writes:
> 
> I have fairly light skin, and when I work out, my face generally turns
> red.  This is usually at about 140-150 bps heart rate.  For a long time,
> I thought I might be working out too hard, or that I was not drinking
> enough water.  But, now I'm fairly in shape and drink a lot of water,  
this
> has not changed.  
> 
> Then, I went for a check up, and my doc told me that she too had the
> same trouble.  What she suggested was that it is caused by coffee and
> sodas.  Caffeine definately opens up the blood vessels and encourages
> blood to come up to the skin.  But, is there something else in coffee
> and soda that could cause this?
> 
> Recently I've switched to no caff/no sugar cokes, and I've seen a 
> rather large difference, although I still turn pink fairly often.
> 
> What are your opinions/suggestions?
> 


You already know the answer to your question - you are fair skinned, so it  
shows more on you than on other people. Just like your veins and bruises  
show more.  I suggest you just quit worrying  about it. 

----------------------------------------------------------
Robin 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: 01f@pnet16.cts.com (Rmc Walker )
Subject: Re: Help w/Abdomen workout
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:36:03 GMT

Any type of regular aerobic workout will help you get rid of the belly coupled
with regular nutrional meals. A bare-bones minimum 20 minute workout just gets
you started on burning the fat. Sit ups will tone the muscles under the flab
but will not necessarily burn the fat. 3-4 weeks should show an improvement.
Scott

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:38:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>WAIT!!  Are they talking about Chromium Chloride or Picolinate or GTF?
>Hmmm...  I think Chromium Chloride.


Most of the studies today are being done with Chromium Picolinate, which is
taken up by the body something like 3-5X more effectively than the Chromium
in GTF. Most other Chromiums are biologically pretty inert. From all
indications, if you're going to supplement with Chromium, it ought to be
Picolinate.

-- 
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                      Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms
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                       Sterling Holloway: We'll miss you.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:46:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Dec11.133317.15231@clark.dgim.doc.ca> dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:

>What about the ingredient, Yohimbe Bark? Its supposed to be a banned
>substance here in Canada as far as I know. Also that 1-800 number for
>SportPharma USA does me no good as I can't dial US 1-800 numbers from
>Canada, but thanks for thinking of me anyway Adam.
>
>Dave

I have my doubts about Yohimbe Bark really significantly raising test levels,
but a few people I know swear by it.  They don't seem much bigger or stronger.

SportPharma USA: I'll try to get their other number to you.

							-Adam
 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: sports doc/triathletes
Keywords: help
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:57:07 GMT

Hi all,

Since I am training for my first triathlon in March 1993,
I'd like to have a sports medicine doctor in mind if I 
need one.  

I'd also like to hear from other triathletes in Florida
who would be willing to part with training information,
equipment recommendations, etc.

Please email responses.

Thanks,
Joe Sweeney

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From: rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Too late to build?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:44:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Dec14.224410.14321
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US


I want to start working out in a Gym, but at 25 am I too late to begin body
building? Would Amino acids help in any way, and how should they be taken
(after or before exercise?). I am a very thin guy (60 kilograms) and would
like just to have a body! I have no aspirations to be Mr Universe but I would
like a body to be proud of before its too late. I used to play alot of sport
but with heavy job commitments I have gone into a fitness rut and I cant
believe how I have changed in a short amount of time (physically). Whats the
best method to motivate oneself after long periods of laziness?

Regards, Rick.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.143111.4291@engage.pko.dec.com> mcdonald@refine.enet.dec.com (.) writes:
>
>>I wrote:
>>|  but an old standard is: 
>>|
>>|        Benchpress: bodyweight X age
>
>
>>  A set of "A x B" means lifting A lbs for B repetitions.  It doesn't
>>  mean doing one rep of A*B.
>
> 
>	Huh? This is just as bizarre now that it is "clarified".
>
>	By this "old standard" a 180 pound 60 year old should be 
>	able to press 180 pounds for 60 reps whereas a 180lb 25
>	year only has to do 25 reps.  BOING!
>
>	(I've heard the old standard that you should be able to
>	 bench press your own bodyweight... but I've never heard
>	 any mention of a number of reps).
>
 
I agree that this (BP your bodyweight) is the "Old Standard" (tm).  The
one that brings age into the equation is clearly flawed: it implies that
a 40 year old man who has never lifted weights has some strength/endurance
advantage over a 20 year old that has never lifted weights. Clearly bullshit.
Probably, the opposite is true.



......................................... Paul Fidler .................
"Please consult your physician            NCR Corporation, Columbia, SC
 before exercising with Lee Haney"        paul@clodii.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:57:58 GMT

m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:


>Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
>interest in improving yourself.  Why?

Why not?
From: charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:58:20 GMT
	<1992Dec11.221022.26516@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>
Distribution: misc.fitness
Organization: British Telecom, Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Center

In article <1992Dec11.221022.26516@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson) writes:
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   From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson)
   Newsgroups: misc.fitness
   Date: 11 Dec 92 22:10:22 GMT
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   charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co writes:

   * A question to the floor:
   * 
   * I've been training for a number of years now, and I'm very happy with my size
   * and shape. However, my body-fat has always remained between 11-14%. How do I
   * go about bringing it down into single figures (4-7%) ? Lots of aerobics ? What
   * about my diet ? Do I need any supplements ? Do I lay off the weights ? What
   * sort of time-scales am I looking at ? etc. etc.

   A question to answer your question:

   If you are very happy with your size and shape,
   why do you care about reducing your body fat from
   a healthy 11-14% down to a possibly unhealthy 4-7%?

   Your body *wants* to be at that fat level,
   and if you have no health problems,
   well --- as the saying goes,
   "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

   Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)

In answer to your question, I was under the impression that reducing my
body fat would increase my definition: have I wrongly associated very low
(unhealthy?) body fat levels with excellent definition ? 

Colin Harrison (charriso@gssec.bt.uk.co)
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:07:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.203805.538@kth.se> TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>In article <-5d2-fb@rpi.edu>, cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
>
>>I dare you to go up to someone like, say, Kevin Levrone or Achim Albrecht
>>and tell them that they're "nowhere near as strong as they look"!
>
> would they have a steroid attack/blackout if he did??

  
Serious bodybuilders would turn and walk away. They are no more
inclined to a violent response (which is what he's implying) than
is my grandmother. Another reason why I question whether this guy
actually goes to the gym.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:34:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec15.173400.21152
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <17547@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>I generally don't just blurt out information unless I'm sure I know what I'm
>talking about.
>[...]
>That's an important factor there.  L-Carnatine, as you say below, helps
>transport fatty acids to the blood stream to be used as a primary source of
>energy.

No, fatty acids are transported into the mitochodrion for metabolism
as bound to l-carnitine.  L-carnitine is the transport mechanism, if
you will.  Free l-carnitine and fatty acid are regenerated inside the
mitochondrion.  It has nothing to do with the blood stream.

>>Funny, I've heard that before. CP might help the weight loss, but there are
>>no magic cookies. Honest.
>
>Well, supposedly it should help in reducing fat and increasing muscle mass
>by allowing more aminos and carbs into the muscle cells, so one might
>experience a weight GAIN (but be leaner).

Anyone who thinks that chromium will help them lose weight or gain muscle
should just take a supplement of the recommended dose: 200mcg/day.  That
should quickly disabuse them of any notion that this supplement has any
role to play in treating human obesity.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:14:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <75538@apple.apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
>I have my books handy, including a neat new reference I just found called
>THE DOCTORS' VITAMIN AND MINERAL ENCYCLOPEDIA by Dr. Sheldon Hendler (PhD
>biochem from Columbia, MD UCSD, med school facility UCSD, nutritional
>advisor USOC and AARP). It's basically a survey of the research for all of
>the various vitamins, minerals, herbs, additives and other toys we all know
>and love.
>
>He tries to take the claims made for any given item and compare them to the
>scientific literature (updated to about 1990, so it's pretty recent) to see

>[stuff deleted]

>(isbn: 0-671-74092-X, Fireside/Simon and Shuster)
>
>dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:
>>In article <17467@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec10.134942.3939@clark.dgim.doc.ca> dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:
>
>>>Boron is supposed to help raise
>>>testosterone production by up to 300%.  BULLSHIT!
>
>There is one study that shows that boron doubled the testosterone level in
>post-menopausal women. Well, when you double zero....
>
>there's no data indicating boron is useful for anything.

THIS IS THE STUDY I WAS REFERRING TO!  I couldn't remeber it exactly.  Wasn't
there one bit of info that said that one person had a triple level?  Well,
women do have some testosterone in their body, and the guys have some
estrogen as well.

>>>Chromium picolinate
>>>is supposed to help potentiate insulin to allow more proteins and carbs into
>>>muscle cells.  Well, it does but not much.
>
>There's lots of data that Chromium is useful for various things, although
>most of the research on fat catabolism postdates the book. I've posted
>various things about it, but the book notes that it's been known since the
>50's that chromium was very useful for blood sugar regulation and helping
>out diabetics, but people more or less ignored the data until recently.

WAIT!!  Are they talking about Chromium Chloride or Picolinate or GTF?
Hmmm...  I think Chromium Chloride.

							-Adam

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From: silver@yorick.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Adam's crappy posts
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:51:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <horwath.724540524@geode11> horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:

Thanks George.

[stuff deleted]

>Even though Adam's continuing study does not have control groups,
>etc., it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Weren't formal
>studies conducted which "proved" that steroids don't work? Wasn't
>this cited into the 1980's as "proof"? Even though 20 years
>before, York saw fit to send lifters to "their" pharmacist
>to get some of the new wonder potion - steroids.

Well, I actually have semi-control groups.  :-)  The control group people
can use anything they like except any steroids, clenbuterol, HCG, etc.
For instance, they can eat what they want, take vanadyl sulfate, ephedrine,
etc.  This is all noted down.

It doesn't matter because the juicers crush them EVERY TIME.  The latest
steroid guy's arms grew 1 inch in 6 weeks.  He had 15" arms for the previous
2 months (which was monitored, of course).

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting - Magic Numbers
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:11:02 GMT

In article <17529@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>Hmmm..  Just to put in my numbers:
>
>I'm 164 pounds.  I just recently did 225lbs for 21 reps (no bouncing or
>cheating).  I'm maxing around 360 (340 with a powerlifting pause).
>
>						-Adam
>     **********************************************************************
>     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
>     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
>     **********************************************************************

Which supports my argument that the strongest people are not
bodybuilders and that lighter people have a better shot at
doing the weight x age thing than do people who DO bodybuild
and are up around 200 in weight.
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: In article 8081@aio.jsc.nasa.gov, wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov () writes:
Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:47:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com
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I tried them for about 8 months (several years ago).  The reading I did
before trying them did claim sun protection, and it did seem that I was
somewhat protected.  However, you need to be careful about the dosage.  
I found that I was becoming the "orange" man (very strange looking feet
and fingers :^), and stopped taking them.  The coloring goes away very
slowly, seeing how it's an inside out coloring issue.

Don't feel the need to try again, and would rather titrate my sun exposure.

Another possibility you might explore is PABA.  Assuming you're not 
sensitive to it, it also offers skin protection without the coloring
problem.

Good luck,

Steve



> While visiting World Gym in Merrit Island Florida, I read thru FLEX 
> magazine while using the Lifecycle.  I noticed several ads for suntan pills 
> containing cathauxrin (I'm sure I've spelled it wrong) costing about 
> $19 for a hundred.  I like a tan and use tanning booths when the sun is not 
> avaliable and realize reducing UV exposure might be a good thing to do 
> (been tanning for 25 years and I ain't dead yet).  Do these things work?  
> Does the color induced (if any) protect from sunburn? (my real reason for 
> getting a tan).  I'd like to hear from people who have tried.  I've read 
> about a research project that has had some success injecting hormones to 
> induce a tan that did protect from sunburn, but the author claimed it would 
> be at least five years before any products based on this would be 
> available.



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