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From: mpb@troy.uucp (22161-bunz)
Subject: Re: Source for reflector ovens?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:48:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.133142.3260@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com> writes:
> Does anyone know of a source for reflector ovens?  One local shop
> here has them, but they're over $70, and I won't pay that much.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Tim

Have you ever thought of cardboard and aluminum foil?

Its cheap, light weight, and since you have a fire going
any way, you can burn the cardboard so you don't have to
pack it out.

If the cardboard getting wet is a concern, you could try
using 1/4 in plywood, but that could weigh more than you
want to carry.

Also, a couple of pie pans can make a nifty oven.

I've also seen ovens fashioned out of triangles of metal for each
end, connected by coat hangers to provide a rack, and top support,
then covered with aluminum foil.

                               ^
			     / . \    top support
			   /       \
                         /  .  .  .  \  rack
                       /_______________\

Marc
From: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:23:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Yes, in some.  Was Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

In rec.backcountry, jjk@astro.umd.edu (Jim Klavetter) writes:


>>My wife and I spent a few wonderful days in the Mummy range of RMNP
>>2 years ago.  While walking above Lawn lake, we looked around and
>>found ourselves in the middle of a herd of bighorns.  They were
>>clearly skittish, but not intimidated.  We simply sat down and
>>enjoyed them for nearly an hour.  There were other folks
>>in the area, and I can conclude with 98% certainty that if anyone
>>would have had their dog with them, we simply could have not had
>>that experience.
>>
>Bullshit.  This again is nothing inherent in the dog, but the owner
>(and wind direction).  While in AK, my TWO dogs and I got close to
>bighorn sheep.  My pups were, of course, strictly controlled to be at
>my side and we oh so slowly moved and then sat and then moved some
>more and then finally decided not to get any closer since we didn't
>want to disturb them.  In fact, I'm sure that with caribou (and
>perhaps the sheep) the dogs HELPED us get close since they were very
>interested and curious about the dogs and came and circled around us
>as we walked (this is far out in the backcountry you understand).  So
>the old thing about dogs and wildlife is not necesarrily true.  Who
>knows, if you had a WELL BEHAVED dog with you, the sheep might have
>been more curious and come closer to you!

Wellll..  Bullshit squared.  So I'm supposed to control
the wind direction now huh?  I won't doubt your experience
with the sheep, but I would think that every nature
photographer would take a dog with him (her) if the probability
of getting closer to wild animals were better.
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Water treatment article from Am J Pub Health (1989)
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:26:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

Thanks for OCRing and posting this article, Edward.  It raises several
questions.  Most importantly, what about bacteria and viruses?  These
are hazardous-- in particular viral hepatitis is worse than giardia--
and yet the study says nothing about them.  The First Need does not
filter out all bacteria, and the Katadyn does not filter out viruses.
Iodine is very effective at killing both, even at low concentration.

Also, it's too bad they didn't test the Pur and MSR filters.  I've used
someone else's Pur in the field, and found it about twice as fast as
the Katadyn, and a bit lighter.  Moreover the Pur has an iodine matrix
that will kill bacteria and virus (until it wears out).  But I wonder
if it gets 100% of giardia?  The MSR is a piece of trash, according to
reports from the field.

Has anybody seen the H20K, the Pocket Filter, or the Pocket Purifier
in action (or more precisely, in inaction)?

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: ST402676@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Nalgene bottle lids (kiss them off!!)
Organization: Brown University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:33:50 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

I have moved up to new technology:  lexan!!  I buy coke in a 2 liter bottle
(or a 20 oz bottle), just make sure it has a plastic not a metal screw on
cap.  Voila -- you get to chug down some good healthy refreshment and
get the bottle for FREE!  They are more durable than the nalgene jobs (I
..<stuff delted>...
of my Dana (this is the desert after all).  The only disadvantage is the
lack of a wide-mouth to shovel in solids, but this can be dealt with, or
just carry water.
--
	Tom Trebisky	ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu
      --------------------------------------------
I too use soda bottles when summer hiking or biking. But in winter,
a wide mouth (so if the water freezes you can chip out the plug) and
serious leak proofness (so you can carry the bottle upsidedown
so the ice float to the bottle's bottom, away from the mouth) becomes
a necessity! I know many people will never need to worry about this, but
if you do decide to venture out in winter, it is worth realizing.

tamar
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: boots
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:22:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Aug27.141409.14228@cs.brown.edu> pmh@cs.brown.edu (Philip M. Hubbard) writes:
>I recently returned from backpacking in Alaska.  The trip was great, but I
>was somewhat disappointed with my leather hiking boots.  Even though I
>covered them thoroughly with Sno-Seal, they still leaked a considerable
>amount of water.
>
>I am now considering buying a new pair of boots.  I have a few ideas about
>what I might buy, but I would love to hear any advice from people out there.

About the best you can do, is a pair of light shoes which dry quickly and
a change of socks for the day's end.

If you really want dry feet, hip boots (fishing waders) are the only way
-- not much good for hiking.

And don't believe anything a sales-clerk in a mountaineering store tells
you.  Just yesterday one of them told me when I asked for PVC coated
rain-wear, and I quote, "Coated nylon isn't really waterproof.  It's
water resistant.  If you want waterproof, then Gortex is really about
the only thing that works."  I looked at him and thought about the two
weeks I'd just spent in the rain, about sitting in a puddle of water
in my inflatable kayak floating among the giant logs, root balls,
and other flood swept debris rumbling over the river rock, about how
I'd wrung my gortex out like a sponge, and about taking all my clothing
off and going nude whenever I had to leave the tent briefly,
rather than wear the gortex, as that brought the least moisture back
into the tent with me.  I thought about how to respond.  Then I just
walked away and found the PVC garments myself. 


-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: campbell@clam.med.ge.com (Scott Campbell Mfg QIE 4-6778)
Subject: Eurka outlet
Reply-To: campbell@clam.med.ge.com (Scott Campbell Mfg QIE 4-6778)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:04:00 GMT

anyone know the phone # for Eurka outlet/wharehouse I think its in N.Y.
specifically I am looking for the best price for the autumn wind.


Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead)
Subject: Re: Nalgene bottle lids (kiss them off!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.215118.12552@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
>
>I have moved up to new technology:  lexan!!  I buy coke in a 2 liter bottle
>(or a 20 oz bottle), just make sure it has a plastic not a metal screw on
>cap.  Voila -- you get to chug down some good healthy refreshment and
>get the bottle for FREE!  

A very good idea- I never thought they were tough enough.  But I
need a wide-mouth bottle for winter use.  And I do like the
attached lid-- is there a good way to attach the coke bottle cap?

Thanks for the LOW tech-low cost suggestion.

Ed
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chris@engineer.mrg.uswest.com (Chris Fedde)
Subject: Re: Nalgene bottle lids (kiss them off!!)
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
NntpPostingHost: engineer.mrg.uswest.com
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:40:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.215118.12552@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
>bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead) writes:
>>
>>grady@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Grady) writes...
>>>I have cracked several Nalgene bottle lids (tightening too much, I guess),
>>This has happened to me also, ....
>
>I have moved up to new technology:  lexan!!  I buy coke in a 2 liter bottle
>
>Whenever I am at my local outdoor equipment store and see the nalgene
>for sale I wonder when people are gonna wake up.
>

Here Here Thomas!  
I LOVE Coke bottles too.   I've been using the same two coke bottles for 
2 years now.  

	chris
 
Chris Fedde, USWEST MRG, chris@mrg.uswest.com, voice 3037842823
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Earthquake in ZION
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:57:30 GMT

|> East of Zion near the Nevada border.  This is contradictory. ;^)

Sorry, I meant west of Zion.  I'm thinking of Nevada like a Californian.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jim Burris)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:04:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <14315@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.230120.5114@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney) writes:
>|Another reason to mimic Pacific Northwest types and carry an ice axe
>|at all times!  What's good enough for Trotsky should be good enough
>|for Rover. <evil grin>
>
>Let see.  So far this month we've had someone suggest pushing someone off a
>cliff for building cairns and now shooting or using an ice axe on someones
>dog.
>
>I think some people are taking the backcountry experience way too serious.
>
>-- 
>+============================================================================++
>| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
>| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
>+============================================================================++

   I don't condone the violence for cairn building, but a dog in my face with
the possible consequence of me being injured is grounds for self-defense, of
whatever sort necessary. I've heard the "oh, it won't bite" shit too many
times, right before Rover took (or attempted to take) a bite. Dogs need to be
constantly under their owner's control, in the city or the backcountry.

Jim Burris
From: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:08:47 GMT
Reply-To: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

Hey, I've got it!  Just train the dogs to knock down cairns, and everyone
will welcome them.  Or ... should they build cairns?  Or should we tie the
dogs to the cairns?  Or is the problem that you don't see any ducks when there
are dogs around?  I'm confoozled ...

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: sleith@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (scot evan leith)
Subject: Michigan Cabins?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:33:17 GMT


Myself and a few other guys are planning to go up to northern Michigan
October 9-13 for a few days away from college.  We need to find some 
reasonable accomodations and specifically would like to get a cottage
or cabin.  Where isn't too much of a problem.  Any suggestions?
Thanks.


Scot
From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:48:58 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Aug27.164410.14431@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
|
|What would you do if a person in your party was seriously
|injured?  This does not apply to just dogs.
|

I'd use my amateur radio to call for help  :-)    



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From: JB <jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com>
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: NT/BNR
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:42:55 GMT

In article <61Kg02RO1fvo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Joel J. Hanes,
jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>>   ...   Dogs are eminently
>> trainable, and incredible companions, and no one has yet to pose an
>> argument that will compel me to leave mine home.
>
>
>It's _illegal_ to take them into National Parks.
>This doesn't dissuade you?
>
>Then I'm sure you won't mind if I drop by your house while
>you're on vacation and steal your stereo.
>
>
>This attitude of _some_ dog owners, that the rules simply
>don't apply to them or their beloved animals, gives all
>dog owners a bad name.

Sorry, you must have missed earlier threads.  I will not go where my dog
is not allowed.  I have no intention of breaking these laws.  My point is
that often they are poorly thought out, i.e. horses, yes, dogs, no.   
Yes, the rules apply to me and my pooch. But I beg to differ that dogs
are not allowed in any NP.  I don't recall seeing this rule applied to
most of the trails/areas in Smokies.  Does someone have more info?
From: sherod@newton.Colorado.EDU (Scott Herod)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:36:13 GMT

>johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>>
>>Have any of you dog owners that have brought a dog into the
>>backcountry had the dog get giardia?
>>

A friend had her dog get giardia.  My memory is that is is rare
for that to happen.  She did not know for a long time that it
had it.  Also it was mild but hard to get rid of.

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:29:25 GMT

jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:
: 
: It's _illegal_ to take them into National Parks.
: This doesn't dissuade you?

It sure didn't dissuade people I saw last week in Redwood Nat. Park in CA.

People would walk (with their dogs, not on leash even) right past LARGE
signs stating that no dogs were allowed, period.

This also happened at an Oregon State Park I went to.  Same scenario.  Very
similar signs.

Except,  in this situation, the dog ran from its owners and faced off in
front of me, barking extremely loudly.  My wife nearly had a heart attack
right there (it happened so fast, she didn't even know a dog was in the
area until it *loudly* barked only a couple feet away).  The owners just
laughed.  The dog kept on barking and running at me, to make me move.
He kept running back and forth until he ran past us on the trail, and
came at us from the other direction.  If either of us had flinched, he
probably would have bitten us.

This has been my typical interaction with dog owners in the woods.

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: tran@kepler.Stanford.EDU (Hy Tran)
Subject: Re: Source for reflector ovens?
Organization: stanford
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:48:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.205352.27078@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>, smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.133142.3260@bnr.ca> Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com> writes:
|> >Does anyone know of a source for reflector ovens?  One local shop
|> >here has them, but they're over $70, and I won't pay that much.
|> >
|> >Any ideas?

Tim is probably talking about the old reflector oven that one put
around a campfire, or perhaps one of those "car-camping" stoves.  I
didn't think they cost $70, unless they're *HUGE*.  Campmor has it in
their mail order catalog; REI has it at their retail stores.  In
season, you'll also find them at hardware stores or K-mart.  They
*are* heavy, and you can basically use any kind of pot or pan with
those.

|> >Tim
|> 
|> 
|>      Take a look in the Backpacking Magazine from 2 or 3 months ago (not the
|> last issue, the one before that.)  It had a reflector oven that was designed
|> for backpacking stoves.  I don't remember the price though.  They claimed to
|> have made pizza and brownies in it and that it worked o.k.

Sean is referring to the "Outback Oven," made by "Traveling-Light".
This is a 1.5 lb package, consisting of a flame shield (very handy
when one carries one's terminal into the backcountry :-), a frying
pan, lid with thermometer, and Nomex air shield.  In order:
Adjustable stove (I'm told the XGK won't work; the Whisperlite barely
works, and the Peak 1's work fine); flame shield; pan; lid; Nomex
shield.  You put your baking mix or food into the pan.

I've had pizza made with this widget, and it's quite good.  Can't say
anything about the brownies, though.  Other applications where this
might shine would be biscuits or cornbread.

-- 
Hy
tran@sun-valley.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Source for reflector ovens?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:45:44 GMT


If you have access to the October 1989 issue of EXPLORE magazine,
there's an article that gives full instructions (and diagrams) on
building a reflector oven using 30cm -wide aluminum flashing and
coathanger(s).  
  
Bruce
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Razors in wilderness
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:06:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <55885@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo) writes:
>In article derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>>>In article  trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>> > Shaving in the wilderness should be illegal.
>
>What a load of crapola (the end processed product of grainola). This comes
>under the heading of "Busy-bodies making up rules for everyone else to follow."

You net-readers should consult your physicians before taking me seriously,
(or entirely seriously, at least).  It could lead to cardiac arrest.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: tomp@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Thomas L Prockish)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Need Info. on where to hike
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:24:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10266
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

I am going hiking next week and was wondering if anyone would be willing
to let me know of a good spot 3-4 hours from Portland.  I would prefer
that all of the trails not be in the deep forest.  I was hoping to get up 
at some higher elevations around perhaps lakes or rivers (creeks) and with
a panoramic view.  This sounds alot like heaven and I'm sure all of us would
like to know of this spot.  But if you would sneak me a little message so 
everyone won't know about it. (yea right)  I promise I will tell no one.
honest!!  Thank you thank you thank you thank you.         
   
sincerely,   Bigfoot
From: andyt@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Andy Teetzel)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:37:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Report: Conundrum Hot Springs, Colorado
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry




Last fall I hiked up to Conundrum Hot Springs on a Sunday afternoon
and along the way counted 82 folks returning from the springs.  


Take a number.




Andy Teetzel           |  andyt@hpmwmkt2.HP.COM     | My irrationalities can't 
Hewlett-Packard        |                            | always be explained.
Microwave Tech. Div.   |  -Disclaimer, standard,    |
Santa Rosa, CA         |   one each                 | 
                       |                            |
From: z_rossha@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info on Absorca Wild in MT
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:38:26 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Sep2.190125.12649@u.washington.edu>, tremme@carson.u.washington.edu (Tom Remmers) writes:
> A friend is trying to convince me to go to the Absorca (sp?)
> Wilderness just north of Yellowstone in Montana for a 5 day trip.
> Any comments as to how spectacular the scenery, any peaks for
> climbing, any fish to catch and eat, any loop trails ~50 miles,
> the # for the ranger station, etc.  And, considering my lack of     
> bear-country experience, the local scoop on the Ursine population.
> Q:  Are there any soaps bears don't notice?
> 
> Tom Remmers
> remmers@u.washington.edu


My parents are from Absarokee, Mt.  and have just recently moved back after
living 25 years in Houston, Tx.  Currently I am working on my Masters degree in
Forestry in Texas.  (a little background to lend credibility)

This summer as well as many summers, I was fortunate to go and visit.  I love
this part of the country and can hardly wait to move there and find work.

I have hiked it somewhat as well as horsepacked the area.  The mountain range 
connect in with the beartooths.  I would suggest hiking in from East Rosebud 
to the yellowstone border.  A very nice trip.

If you go, write and tell me as I will be taking 2 friends for the 4 week x-mas 
break.  Yellowstone in the winter is great too.
From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Merrell balks, REI Refunds!
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:11:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco) writes:

>I wore my Merrell Wildernesses to death in less than ten months! 

[sad tale w/happy ending ommited]

I've had a pair of Dunham all leather, sewn sole hikers for over 12 years
that have been all over the Appalachians, Maine, and general city wear, and
this year is the first time I've had any leather work done to them.  Merrell
should be ashamed of themselves.  Glad you got a refund.
-- 
Dan Griffin
griffin@egr.msu.edu
From: ecologycntr@igc.apc.org (Ecology Center Fund)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Labor Day wkend w/5 mo old: Where?
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:34:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:heycke-260892113523@ksl-mac-98.s:-1864992799:cdp:1449600027:000:176
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Aug 26 18:34:00 1992


Saddlebag is nice:

but try Red's Meadow, near Devils Postpile. There's a nice shuttle
from the parking lot to the Muir Trail, and plenty of easy-access
camping nearby.

chris