From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:04:52 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.


>>>>> In article <1akhtgINN3i@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman) writes:

RR> Of the people who go abroad after having a subsidised education
RR> in India the IIT students are the worst offenders. 

Will you guys stop this CRAP (once and for all) about subsidized education 
for the IITs only.   My brother, for example, went to Jadavpur University 
(which is recognized as one of the best in Calcutta) and his fees were 
less than what the IITs used to charge.

RR> You say that IITians are proud and sometimes arrogant about their
RR> being the best. You are the best. Can you take up any challenge? So far
RR> you have shown that you can't. 

Huh!  Again that patriotism BS.

No, we CANNOT take up the challenge.  We don't need Engineers to change the
face of India - we need *educated* politicians.  And for that you don't need
a background in Engineering (necessarily).  

I have seen in my father (a great patriot) who after getting a Ph.D. from
Berkeley went back to India to serve his country.  And *I* have seen the
consequences!

RR> They suffered for quite a while. They didn't have much in material
RR> comfort. But they had respect. Do you have respect? 

Huh!  You think they (our forefathers) had respect????  Yes, people who 
were good and fought their way through *had* respect  but *not* from their own
fellowmen, but from abroad.  

Haven't you seen again and again that India has failed to realize what
talent it has inside?  When was RabindraNath Tagore recognized?  When was
Satyajit Ray given the Padmasree (or Padmabhushan)?  These were all after
the world recognized them first.

The only place I would prefer going back to (if I go back to India) is 
one of the 7 premier Institutions.

RR> If you are the best rise to the occasion. If not quit saying that
RR> you're the best.

BTW, not all the IIT-ians do come to USA.  Look around in the industry in 
India.  I have friends (both from IITs and not from IITs) in different 
industries.  And they have told me on many occasions the bias is towards
IITs.  Pray why????  

Unfortunately, we don't have the real statistics to measure the success of 
the IITs.  But in the industry they are *extremely* successful.  To name a
few, Tilak Sen from IIT KGP is the Vice-President of an Oil Firm (I forget 
the name) in Phillipines.  One guy from IITK is a VP in a Computer 
Industry in Thailand.  Ajoy Dutta (from IIT KGP) is the VP of SemaTech (?)
(in Austin) - the company which is coming up with Solar Batteries. 
The Director of Research (in one of the TIs) is a B.Tech. from one of 
the IITs.  One of the top-shots in Wipro, India (VP?) - is from IITK.  But this
is only the tip of iceberg.

-Shubu



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