HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: morlan@afit.af.mil (Bruce W. Morlan)
Subject: Re: CONFERENCE: Study War No More
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:12:18 GMT

kowan@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Rich Cowan) writes:

>****************  S T U D Y   W A R   N O   M O R E !! *******************

Ahem - 

For years I've heard people complain that the military-industrial
complex was absorbing the best and the brightest of our analysts
because that's where the big bucks were.  It was bemoaned that "if
only that talent were turned to solving _real_ problems".  Be careful
what you wish for.  Perhaps when those minds are turned to social
concerns, they will find answers and solutions that are not politically
correct (in some sense) and (worse) perhaps these researchers will be
able to analytically defend those solutions.  I know that as a military
analyst I feel much more prepared to deal with issues of life and
its value (for example, medical resource allocation) than I believe
I would be if I were a financial analyst.  

Cheers.
-- 
Bruce W. Morlan, Major, USAF             Air Force Institute of Technology
Deputy Department Head (Military)        AFIT/ENC
Department of Mathematics                WPAFB  OH  45433
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett)
Subject: Hydro Quebec & the Cree reach agreement
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:25:06 GMT

I just heard that Hydro-Quebec and the Cree Tribe have reached a major 
agreement on Phase II of the La Grande hydroelectric complex in the 
James Bay area of northern Quebec.  Three documents were signed in 
Montreal on January 8, 1993: 

1 La Grande (1992) Agreement
2 Complementary agreement #11 to the James Bay and Northern Quebec Agreement
3 A letter of agreement concerning financing of sewer reconstruction in
  northern Quebec.

The La Grande 1992 Agreement provides that some $50 million (in 1992 Canadian 
dollars to be indexed over 50 years) will be paid for the benefit of the 
people affected by the projects and for certain other "mitigated" works.

The Grand Chief of the Grand Council of the Crees, Matthew Coon-Come, signed 
the agreement.  He said that the agreement is "evidence of the fact that the
Cree people are not against all development.  When called upon the Cree and 
Hydro-Quebec can sometimes find ways to ressolve practical problems.  We need 
to find new ways beyond this present Agreement in which the resources on the 
Cree territory can be co-managed so as to create a more productive basis for 
the long-term relationship between the Cree people and the people of Quebec."

Has anyone else heard anything about the agreement?

-Drew

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.sex
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: "New Right" Libertarians?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:09:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.173133.5339@hellgate.utah.edu> thomson%jensen.cs.utah.edu@
cs.utah.edu (Rich Thomson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.151525.4408@starbase.trincoll.edu>
>    nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller) writes:
>>You [Lee Crocke], on the other hand, are trying something a good deal more
>>radical, freeing human beings from their dependence on one another, thus
>>aiming at a new biology among other things.
>
>Please quote me the passage where Mr. Crocke asserted this?  I don't
>remember him saying anything like this at all.  What libertarians want
>to eliminate is the element of _force_ in human relationships.  I
>don't know of a single person (libertarian or otherwise) who wants to
>live in a world where human beings are free "from their dependence on
>one another".  After all, isn't that what spousal relationships are
>all about?  (Well, OK, there is this eugenecist I saw on TV that seems
>to advocate removal of all spousal relationships, but he doesn't
>qualify as libertarian in any sense of the word.)
>
>Rich Thomson

Sorry, I haven't got the original.  But in fact the spousal relationship
doesn't even begin to cover the ground I had in mind when speaking of
mutual dependency.  The most critical is the one libertarians least
want to talk about: the one between adults and immature children.  (Why
libs try to skirt the issue is obvious, but the result is that their
writing resembles the once-prevalent style in Italian painting whereby
the infant Jesus was always depicted as an adult.)  To put it simply:
whatever the relation may be between parent and babe, "contract" it
isn't; constraint and (often) coercion describes it better.  It is a
basic, fundamental and probably unavoidable feature of socializing the
young.  That's for starters.  But the pattern doesn't end with childhood.
And of course the institutions (customs, rules, etc.) that are generated
in any society with respect to one or another social relation are inevi-
tably and invariably constraintive and exist _outside_ any specific dyad
or whatever.

The questions raised by Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau and their interlocutors
are still with us.  But some of the _answers_ of those great men are
plainly foolish.  There _has_ been a certain amount of growth in social
science sophistication.  Too bad the libs are so caught up in their
theology to notice it.

Norman Miller
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (ACTIV-L via Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.environment,ne.politics
Subject: NEWS: Fighting to Oust Toxic Waste Dump in Western Massachusetts
Keywords: environment nuclear press
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:02:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d,talk.environment
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu

[Also Posted to ACTIV-L and misc.activism.progressive (by Somebody Else)]

================================================================
Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

FIGHTING TO OUST TOXIC DUMP

Special to Workers World

Springfield, Mass. -- Despite the worst winter storm in almost
a century, a crowd turned out here Dec. 12 to demand a nuclear
waste dump in the Indian Orchard residential neighborhood be
closed.  Members of the Western Massachusetts chapter of the
Movement for a Peoples Assembly organized the protest.

People driving by warmly hailed the demonstration.  The Sunday
Republican newspaper and the local NBC television affiliate ran
stories covering the action.

The toxic dump is operated by Interstate Nuclear Services,
a commercial laundry that processes clothing contaminated by
radiation from nuclear power plants and military facilities.
It is one of over 100 sites statewide that will have to store
nuclear waste when the regional storage facility in Barnwell,
S.C., stops accepting out-of-state shipments in 1993.

INS company trucks had stored radioactive waste for months at a
time next to a recreation area. The company now keeps low-level
radioactive waste in an on-site vault designed for long-term
storage.

Laundry workers, mostly Puerto Rican and Portuguese women, and
area residents are demanding an investigation, removal of the
toxic waste dump, and compensation for all injuries, illnesses
or property damage the company has caused.  MPA organizers say
the next step is to form a "People's Commission of Inquiry."

(Copyright Workers World Service: Permission to reprint granted
if source is cited.  For more info contact Workers World, 46
W. 21 St., New York, NY 10010; email: ww%nyxfer@igc.apc.org;
"workers" on PeaceNet; on Internet: "workers@mcimail.com".)
From: pbray@nextweek.reed.edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Lock picking (not smithing)
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:40:07 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Dec28.201206.12801@ms.uky.edu> rankin@ms.uky.edu (David W.  
Rankin Jr.) writes:
> It has always been my opinion at least that a lock, security system,  
etc.
> is not going to keep a person who knows what they are doing out of  
anything.
> A professional thief will be able to beat just about anything you put
> against him/her without real difficulty.
> 
> As always, feel free to disagree.

Come on.  What thiefs nowadays actually lock pick?!?  It's much easier to  
pull a gun on someone, carjack etc.  Picking locks died with James Bond.
--
At the base of all these aristocratic races the predator is not
to be mistaken, the splendorous blond beast, avidly rampant for
plunder and victory.
-- Senor Nietzsche
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Lock picking (not smithing)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:03:52 GMT

J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
: 
: >Come on.  What thiefs nowadays actually lock pick?!?  It's much easier to
: >pull a gun on someone, carjack etc.  Picking locks died with James Bond.
: 
: Don't be toooooo sure about your statement.  Covert entry is the most
: efficient way to ply the trade.  You leave no evidence of break in, dis-
: covery of items missing could take days or months, and by then, the trail
: is very cold.  Just because you don't read about it in the papers doesn't
: mean it doesn't happen.  ;-)

Only the professionals would do that - and they are very selective on their
hits. Unless you are rich, you are not in any danger from them.

According to our local police, only one house has been broken into where
they believed that the lock had been picked - in quite a few years. It just
does not happen for the usual breakin.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott)
Subject: Re: paraglider/chute
Followup-To: alt.locksmithing
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:54:34 GMT
X-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1ii8m2INNioa@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad) wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering if it would be possible to put a paraglider
> canopy in a parachute rig or find an extremely high aspect parachute,
> like a paraglider.  I'm looking for something I could open at 13K and
> possibly do a little thermaling.

But it won't open at all until you pick the lock.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Manny DeSoto)
Subject: Re: The club and airbags
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:44:29 GMT


From what I know of airbags, they will only discharge in a frontal collision.
The device that triggers the airbag is near the front of the car. It consists
of a small metal ball on a strong magnet inside a "tube" or something similar.
When the car undergoes a crash strong enough to dislodge the ball from the
magnet, the ball then travels to the end of the tube completing a circuit which
discharges the airbag. 

The only other way I could think of discharging the bag would be by somehow
manipulating the gas cartridge inside the steering wheel. How that would be
done is beyond me.


Manny DeSoto                                 |  Life is what happens while 
NREMT-A, CPR/BLS - Instructor  ARC / AHA     |  you're making other plans.
University Of Illinois @ Urbana - Champaign  |      
Illini Emergency Medical Services            |    ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
-- 
Manny DeSoto                                 |  Life is what happens while 
NREMT-A, CPR/BLS - Instructor  ARC / AHA     |  you're making other plans.
University Of Illinois @ Urbana - Champaign  |      
Illini Emergency Medical Services            |    ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: dbent@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darrell A Bent)
Subject: Looking For a Pacifier
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:50:31 GMT


    Does anyone know where it possible to come by a good, sturdy chastity belt?
 I need one for my grandmother.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,news.answers
From: sgw@athena.mit.edu (stephen g. wadlow)
Subject: Re: The club and airbags
Organization: MIT Dept of Brain and Cognitive Sciences
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:33:10 GMT


In article <aeJqwB2w165w@west.darkside.com> clone@west.darkside.com (Clone) writes:
Path: bloom-picayune.mit.edu!enterpoop.mit.edu!stanford.edu!apple!uuwest!clone
 From: clone@west.darkside.com (Clone)
 Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
 Date: 2 Jan 93 05:50:09 GMT
 Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM
 Lines: 3

   Has anyone seen or heard of an airbag discharging while "the club" or 
   similar anti-theft device was installed? Would this be a possible way of 
   defeating such a device? Makes me want to run out and try it! Jason.

this would, in fact, be quite an effective way of defeating the
airbag.  The lock would probably stay in place.  I don't know why
you'd want to do this though.  :-)

			steve
From:  (MJ)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Sargent &Greenleaf II
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:30:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.locksmithing

It seems to me that Sargent and Greenleaf have the consumer safe market
sewn up with their S & G II Combo Lock.  Is there an expert out on the net
that can tell me that this lock is safe from picking using auditory means? 
If not, how good of a crook and how high tech would his/her equipment have
to be?  Thanks.

MJ

[As if you didn't already know, my opinions are my own and not my
company's.]
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Subject: Re: Sargent &Greenleaf II
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:22:31 GMT

In article <4247@eastman.UUCP> (MJ) writes:
>It seems to me that Sargent and Greenleaf have the consumer safe market
>sewn up with their S & G II Combo Lock.  Is there an expert out on the net
>that can tell me that this lock is safe from picking using auditory means? 
>If not, how good of a crook and how high tech would his/her equipment have
>to be?  Thanks.
>
>MJ

S&G UL listed Group II are represented as "manipulation resistant".  
Group I locks are "manipulation proof".  I believe the group I lock requires 
a separate wheel be turned after dialing the combination to open the lock
rather than automatically opening upon hitting the last number.   A "R"
after the rating (ie, "I-R" or "II-R") indicates that the lock is immune
from radiological attack (ie, it has a lead plate to prevent you from
X-raying to look at the wheels).

Whiteside Safe (a discount priced mail order drop ship safe company
carrying several major brands) charges about $50 extra for a S&G Group I
instead of Group II on any Fort Know safe they sell.

Better yet is the Mas Hamilton XM-07 electronic combination lock - accepted
by the GSA for secure storage, and batteryless (generates its electrical
power from the spin of the dial).

>
>[As if you didn't already know, my opinions are my own and not my
>company's.]


ps:  Your "from" address shows up only as "(MJ)".  Please consider 
     appending your email address so individual replies may also be sent.
     Thanks,

                                        rob boudrie
From: adamb@anu.edu.au (Adam Bernau)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: learning the trade
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:57:29 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: adamb@anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: mehta.anu.edu.au


In article 27044@reed.edu, pbray@nextweek.reed.edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>) writes:
>
>Hello:
>	I am interested in apprenticing myself this summer to a locksmith  
>to learn and make a bit of cash.  When I looked in my phonebook there were  
>10 pages of locksmiths.  I can't imagine many of them really need any help  
>from someone who knows very little about the trade.  What do you think?  
>Peter

	I think that you should contact some of them and ask about
apprenticing yourself, and see if they are interested, as they most likely are.
If they are not, they can tell you where you could get information.

	Adam
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: zerucha@shell.portal.com (Thomas E Zerucha)
Subject: Re: AigBag+TheClub
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:24:09 GMT

Actually, all you would have to do is find the wires and apply the right
voltages and the airbag woudl fire.  In effect howtwiring the airbag.
I doubt it would remove the club (without mangling the steering wheel - if
you  are going to mangle it anyway, why not just cut it off with the club
attached).  I have seed two "clubs - the standard $50 model.  I can pick
either in a couple of minutes.  I think it is a mushroom-wafer design so
you can't do it like a normal lock.
---
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zerucha@fim001.ets.ford.com - work address
Thomas Zerucha / 24075 Lee Baker / Southfield MI 48075 - hardcopy
(313)594-4941 - work phone
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: paraglider/chute
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:52:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

I was just wondering if it would be possible to put a paraglider
canopy in a parachute rig or find an extremely high aspect parachute,
like a paraglider.  I'm looking for something I could open at 13K and
possibly do a little thermaling.
TIA 
scot
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: paraglider/chute
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:28:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

Terribly, Terribly sorry for that post, obviously wrong group.

OB locksmithing:  You can make much better picks than are commercially
available out of old stainless steel steak knives.

sorry again
miolnir

Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: The club and airbags
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:50:35 GMT

In article <SGW.93Jan8182901@howison.mit.edu> sgw@athena.mit.edu (stephen g. wadlow) writes:
>
>In article <aeJqwB2w165w@west.darkside.com> clone@west.darkside.com (Clone) writes:
>
> Path: bloom-picayune.mit.edu!enterpoop.mit.edu!stanford.edu!apple!uuwest!clone
> From: clone@west.darkside.com (Clone)
> Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
> Date: 2 Jan 93 05:50:09 GMT
> Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM
> Lines: 3
>
>   Has anyone seen or heard of an airbag discharging while "the club" or 
>   similar anti-theft device was installed? Would this be a possible way of 
>   defeating such a device? Makes me want to run out and try it! Jason.
>
>this would, in fact, be quite an effective way of defeating the
>airbag.  The lock would probably stay in place.  I don't know why
>you'd want to do this though.  :-)

It's probably more difficult to discharge the airbag than remove the
Club(*tm).


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com      | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come,
Andrew Loewenstern       |  lest we lose our now for a phantom of our
Cube Technologies, Inc.  |  own design." - Erendis
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: kingpin@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth)
Subject: Tubular lock pick
Organization: None
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:29:18 GMT

Does anyone know of a place where I can buy a tubular lock pick for less
than $80? or has one for sale used or something? if so, please let me know..
Thanks a lot!
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: learning the trade
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:17:55 GMT

pbray@nextweek.reed.edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>) writes:
: 
: Hello:
: 	I am interested in apprenticing myself this summer to a locksmith  
: to learn and make a bit of cash.  When I looked in my phonebook there were  
: 10 pages of locksmiths.  I can't imagine many of them really need any help  
: from someone who knows very little about the trade.  What do you think?  

Who knows? Why don't you start stopping by and talking to some of them?

Bill
From: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: learning the trade
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:54:46 GMT
Reply-To: poy@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Poy)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

i heard of one company in the washington dc area that was looking for
people full time/ part-time.  the cath was that they expected you to
finance your own tools, which came out to be over 1500.00 dollars.

-stephen
From: pbray@nextweek.reed.edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: learning the trade
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:37:38 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


Hello:
	I am interested in apprenticing myself this summer to a locksmith  
to learn and make a bit of cash.  When I looked in my phonebook there were  
10 pages of locksmiths.  I can't imagine many of them really need any help  
from someone who knows very little about the trade.  What do you think?  
Peter

--
At the base of all these aristocratic races the predator is not
to be mistaken, the splendorous blond beast, avidly rampant for
plunder and victory.
-- Senor Nietzsche
From: ablair@byron.u.washington.edu (Andrew Blair)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: AigBag+TheClub
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:14:52 GMT
Reply-To: ablair@u.washington.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

From what I know a car has to be running for the air bag to discharge so you'd
have to:
1. hotwire the car
2. unlock the stearing wheel
3. crash the car
to get the club off now is that reasonable?
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Lock picking (not smithing)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 09:32:39 PST

pbray@nextweek.reed.edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>) writes in

>Come on.  What thiefs nowadays actually lock pick?!?  It's much easier to
>pull a gun on someone, carjack etc.  Picking locks died with James Bond.

Don't be toooooo sure about your statement.  Covert entry is the most
efficient way to ply the trade.  You leave no evidence of break in, dis-
covery of items missing could take days or months, and by then, the trail
is very cold.  Just because you don't read about it in the papers doesn't
mean it doesn't happen.  ;-)
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: DMSO
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:28:46 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


Is there any chance I saw DMSO for sale over the counter?

I though it was not legal to sell (at least in the USA), but am
sure I saw it recently at a hardware or paint store.

Are there any uses for DMSO other than to enhance absorbtion through
the skin?  If it can be purchased, where?  Do I need to go into the
whipped cream business to get some of this also?