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From: tuomasp@mits.mdata.fi (Tuomas Paasiala)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Toyota Celica Oil light problem
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:30:27 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <1993Jan7.200826.13549@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@launchpad.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>[I apologize if this is not the right place for this question]
>
>I have a problem with an '84 Toyota Celica ST which no mechanic
>seems to be able to fix. (Maybe click and clack?) The oil light
>comes on after driving for about 20 minutes when the RPM drops 
>below 750-800. 
>
>Increasing the RPM above 800 solves the problem,
>but since I have a stick shift this is quite annoying. And,
>I wonder if this is indicative of some major problem. (There
>is enough oil in the engine.)

I wonder when you have changed oil to your car. I had a same kind problem
with my saab 99. When it was idling and normal temperature oil light comes
on. I changed oil and no problems after that.

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From: tim.burton@cutting.hou.tx.us (Tim Burton) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: the club and airbags
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: tim.burton@cutting.hou.tx.us (Tim Burton) 

CE.has anyone heard of or seen what an airbag will do if the car owner has a
  .club anti-theft device on the wheel? Just wonderin...Jason.

   Hmm.  How often have you heard of or seen a car parked with the
club on the wheel have a frontal collision?  My point is no one drives
with a club on the wheel....that is why it is suppose to stop thieves.
Although now all the thieves do is cut through the steering wheel to
get such devices off.


  - Tim
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tricks for cold weather?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <C0HvoE.CAp@tss.com> hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes:
>What's the best trick you've seen for keeping 
>locks from freezing in cold weather? I've 
>heard about squirting chemicals in the locks,
>but can't remember what chemical. My second
>question is what's the best trick for unfreezing
>them after they are frozen? We are experiencing
>some unusually cold weather at our ski areas and
>the best snow in years. Needless to say, I 
>experienced some of those lock problems last
>weekend. Thanks in advance.
>

   WD-40 makes one of the best preventatives, its easy to spray and
   it REMOVES water from the area.  However for a frozen lock, a
   small syringe full of alcohol will clear all but the most frozen
   locks.  Too bad carrying around a syringe of anything can get you
   busted these days.

   Another trick is a lighter and the key....heat the key and shove
   it in the lock.  I'm surprised nobody's introduced a small
   battery-heated door key.   

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From: ccesea@nuscc.nus.sg (See Eng Ann (Mr))
Subject: Hyundai Stellar - buy or not to
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:35:41 GMT

I am thinking of getting the Hyundai Stellar GLS 1.6.  Question is I am
not sure about this car.  Would anyone like/care to comment on the followings:

- car engine, steering, power, bodywork, paintwork, brake system...

Any other information will be greatly appreciated.



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From: marcg@electra.alb.gvc.com (Marc Gauthier)
Subject: inaccurate spedometer?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:19:57 GMT
Organization: GeoVision Systems Inc., Services Division, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Ive been starting to wonder about the speedometer
in my '87 VW Fox. It seems that the accuracy declines 
the faster I'm going. For instance, lately I've been
doing spurts of 170 km/h. I know I'm going fast, but
it seems unreasonable that the Fox can even attain such
speeds. (170 km/h = ~105 mph) And it revs at 3500 while
doing this. I've clocked it against a friend's car up
to 100 km/h (~60 mph) and everything seems OK, but
I'm begining to think that the accuracy drops somewhere
after 140 km/h. Is this possible? It's a mechanical device
so it seems weird that it would follow some exponential
curve of inaccuracy. Does anyone have any ideas?

Marc Gauthier.
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From: brownr@hydra.rtp.dg.com (Randy Brown)
Subject: Re: What is the resonable oil comsumption?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:23:20 GMT
Organization: DG-RTP Graphics Group

In article <cc.purdue.edu>, wilhelal@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Tony Wilhelm) writes:
|> 
|> > <gong@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> (jiechen.james.gong) writes:
|> > 
|> > 	I have a 68000 milse '86 190E/2.3.  It needs more than a
|> > 	quart of oil between 3000 miles oil change.  The compres-
|> > 	sion test showing the engine is still like new. What is the
|> > 	your experience on the engine oil consumption for this car? 
|> 
|> Acording to a my Local Chevy dealer 1 quart/1000 miles is normal for all GM 
|> cars. I don't know about Mercedes.

So, if you change your oil/filter every 3K miles, you have to add 2 quarts 
between each change??  I would not expect that to be normal GM car behavior.
I have a '83 Z28 with 305 V8 that uses about 1/2 quart between 3K changes,
and it has about 115K miles on it so far.

I would not call 1 quart/1000 miles normal for any reasonably new car.

Randy
From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Isuzu to stop selling in the US?
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:45:59 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology

In article <79047@hydra.gatech.EDU> gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams) writes:
>
>While visiting home over the holidays, the dealership where my father works
>got a memo from GM stating that after '93, Isuzu will stop selling cars in
>American.  This means that after this model year, there will be no more Geo
>Storm.  It will supposedly be replaced by something else in '96, but it will
>be a different car.  However, I have heard nothing in the news anywhere that
>mentions this.  (I also heard nothing about a non-disclosure, so I decided to
>post.)  I never saw the actual memo, so I don't know for sure exactly what it
>said.  Anyone else know anything about this?
>
>-- 
>Greg Williams
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gw18
>Internet: gw18@prism.gatech.edu


I just glanced over the article, but Autoweek's last week issue had a 
short article about Isuzu's car line being dropped.  They will concentrate
on their truck line.  I don't have the article with me though, so i don't
remember the other details.

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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Why 2 keys?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:14:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.191001.38505@watson.ibm.com> born@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>If this hasn't appeared already:
>
>There was an article in the NEW YORK TIMES last week (I don't 
>remember the exact date) about why cars have two keys.  It showed 
>the number of cars that manufacturers created with one and two 
>keys and reasons why.  
>
>GM continues to make every vehicle with 2 keys except the 
>SATURN.  Reasons given included logistic problems in coordinating
>the assembly of the cars doors with that of the steering column
>considering that all of GM's steering columns for all of its
>cars are made in one plant.  And, that on some cars their keys
>have an electronic chip imbedded in them that allows the car
>to start - this is supposed to prevent theft of the car.
>
oh, please...if GM is so pathetic that it can't switch to one key for 
all locks and maybe a valet key that only does door and ignition, then it
is time to dump GM stock and wave goodbye!!
i think on a previous thread we netheads came up with a solution that makes
everyone happy...which is...one key for every lock on the car and an extra
valet key that only opens the door and ignition.
and while i am at it...no motorized seatbelts and i want decent cup holders..
is that too much to ask?

>Most (if not all) Japanese manufactures only require one key.
>
>Some manufacturers are creating a key that will open every lock
>on the car except the trunk.
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Under dash Radar Detector
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:27:40 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1iv749INN4f1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
|> 
|> Can anyone recommend an under the dash style radar detector that
|> detects all 3 bands?  Thanks.

 Huh... a Valentine 1 and, when you see a cop, stick it under the dash.


 I've also seen remote kits for a couple of brands in the back of Car&Driver.



 Travis
Organization: Junior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:23:39 -0500 
From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Car dealers

My mom was looking for a sports car a couple years back, and had a
variety of experiences:

Toyota: MR2, the dealer said no test drive, but perhaps if she came back
with her husband....[my mom has taken out transmissions, rebuilt
engines, etc.; this is no bimbo]

Ford: Probe, dealer took copies of licenses, then rode i nthe back for a
test drive around the block -- real informative.

Nissan: 240SX, I believe the dealer just gave us the keys; good guy.

Plymouth: Laser RS, similar deal as Nissan. The guy was so friendly that
not only did my mom get her car there, but also my dad, a year later,
after checking out Porsche, Lexus, Nissan (stupid 300Z hasn't got an
adjustable steering wheel; oh, yeah, it's a perfect car...), bought a
Laser RS AWD from the same guy.

This winter break, we went to Saturn for a car for me, and they were, of
course, great; went back for a test drive, and he just gave us the keys;
we drove, came back, and left; he didn't try to talk to us or make a
deal then. 

JMR
HSK

SL2, blue-green
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From: ppandit@rekha.esd.sgi.com (Parimal Pandit)
Subject: Bronco II scandal in Wall Street Journal
Keywords: bronco 
Reply-To: ppandit@rekha.esd.sgi.com (Parimal Pandit)
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:24:19 GMT

In yesterday's Wall Street Journal, they had a long article about
the Bronco II. How Ford, in a hurry to match Chevy Blazer, used a
old design to build the Bronco. This led to numerous safety and
rollover problems. 

Ford realized this but instead of redesigning a better vehicle, they
brought in lawyers during the development of the vehicle so that they
can prepare for the lawsuits that were bound to happen. So far 231 people
have died because of these roller problem and the Bronco had the
worst rating of any SUV.

I thought about buying a Taurus. Forget it now. 
At Ford, Money is Job 1.

Anyone else see the article and care to comment?

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From: patrick@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Protective Coating for Auto Transport?
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:34:04 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1ikenfINNfc7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl) writes:
> 
> Recently during rapidly deteriorating negotiations on a new Sable,
> the sales manager (the CLOSER himself) said one of the reasons he
> had to charge me $250 for dealer prep was to clean off the special
> coating on the new car.
> 
> "What is that?" I inquired, blood pressure rising further.
> 
> "When they ship the car from the factory, they put a special coating
> (spray?) on the paint to protect it from the road dirt, weather and
> salt.  My prep guy has to take that off with a solvent and I'm sure
> you wouldn't want to do that, and that's all part of dealer prep."
> 
> This took me by surprise - I had never heard of such a thing.  I thought
> they just ran the damn vehicle through their car wash when it arrived.
> Is this truth or more sales science fiction?
> 

The spray is a wax type coating, it can be removed with detergent, and a 
lot of work. There is some sort of solvent for it. The thing that really
gets me is lazy dealers who do not bother to remove it from the underside
of the vehicle - when it gets dirt mixed with it nothing short of petrol
will remove it.

If you end up paying the dealer prep, get your moneys worth by making
sure every last bit of this stuff has been removed from the underside
of the vehicle.
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Taurus Upgrades
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:58:29 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <C0ECDA.MJ7@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
> I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who
> has done some suspension upgrades to their
> Taurus/Sable (non-SHO), preferably a wagon.


The SHO Registry announced in their last newsletter that they were
in the process of converting a 1990 wagon to SHO spec.  We have discussed
it here on the net, and the overwhelming opinion was that it would
take a lot of engineering to do the rear suspension work.  You might
try contacting the SHO Registry though, they are at:

SHO Registry
P.O. Box 159
Carrollton, GA 30117



Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
From: george@aoldev.UUCP (George Browning)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Any opinions on mini-vans?
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: george@aol.com
Distribution: na
Organization: America Online

Due to the impending arrival of my second child I am ready to
dig into the dull world of mini-vans... (actually my wife is 
alot readier than I :)  The two that we are leaning towards
are the Nissan Quest/Mercury Villiager and the Toyota Previa.
Any opinions that anyone has on these (or other similar vans)
would be appreciated...

Thanks
George Browning
george@aol.com

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From: anthony@lpi.liant.com (Anthony Beissner)
Subject: Re: Removing decals from windows
Organization: Liant Software Corp.,  Austin TX
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:27:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.192745.18119@zip.eecs.umich.edu> dholt@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dennis J. Holt) writes:
>Use a single-edge razor blade to remove unwanted window decals.  Works
>fine every time as long as the blade is sharp.
>

If there is any residue of the glue left try using WD40 on a rag to clean it
up.  (Boy, I love that stuff ;-)).
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From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Comments on Sentra SE-R and Civic EX sought...
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1993Jan5.233253.8271@pony.Ingres.COM> daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave  
Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:
> It's econobox city for me now, and I want to enjoy it: Are SE-Rs
> competitive in their SCCA autocross class?  Do current rev Civics
> still own their class?  Are they both in the same class?

I have a '92 SE-R with everything but ABS.  I paid 14,000 out the door (TTL and  
everything).  So far I really enjoy the car.  It is definitely a competitive  
autocrosser.  The '91 D-stock national champion drove an SE-R.  The one thing  
it needs to be competitive is shocks (Koni or GAB).

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From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:59:18 GMT


>The V-6 MX-3 does 0-60 in about 7.0 seconds flat. This will blow the
>doors off the SC's 8.6.  

Let me try to clear this up one more time. 
The MX-3 comes with two differnet size engines.  A 1.8l V-6 and an I-4 1.6l. 
The V-6 ($13,800 base) does 0-60 in the 7-seconds range and the I-4 ($11,350 
base) does it in the 9's.  

regards,

issa
 
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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SHO manuals
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:01:48 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

Anyone know of a repair manual that covers the SHO?  I am being
driven (no pun intended) to distraction trying to find one, and 
I'm very curious about the systems on my car.  I don't especially
want to buy one of Ford's 20 million dollar shop manuals...



Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:11:43 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <issa.726506944@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>I agree that the tax on the engine size in many countries (a Maserati 
>with less than 2.0 litre V6 302bhp!! Italy's tax code penalizes cars 
>with engines of greater than 2.0-litre displacement) is a major factor 
>that is pushing other car makers to perform.

True. Then you get to live with a car whose maintenance requirements
are spectacular, fuel efficiency is very low, noise is high, etc. etc
etc. If Maserati was such a great car (it is) why its TC deal with
ChryCo went sour?

Don't get me wrong, but there's more to engines than the displacement
vs horsepower debate. Are you comparing exoticars vs. 200,000/year 
volume cars? A model airplane engine run on nitromethane develops
several horses out of a few CC's (not liters!). Would you like
a nitromethane powered car idling at 10,000 rpm if you could have 
500 hp out of 2 liters? Motorcycle engines routinely develop 
much more than 100 hp/liter. Can they be fitted to cars?

There's things like noise, pollution, maintenance requirements, service
availability, parts availability, service intervals, ..., ..., ....
Ask any Italian car enthusiast for details on, say, maintenance and then
we'll see. 

Also don't forget that Europeans had (till recently) relatively few
emission controls or fuel consumption problems. If the Maserati
biturbo you quote produces 10 miles a gallon and the company has to
start worrying about it pulling its CAFE down... Don't give me the
"gas costs $4.50/gallon in Italy" thing; if I can afford a Maserati
I sure as hell can pay $4.50/gallon.... 

As for domestic technology, I believe a turbocharged quad 4 engine did
600-800 hp. (the one that powered the Aerotech to its world record
breaking drive by AJ Foyt some years back). The Olds Aurora engine was
also used on the same car frame (aerotech) to break a record for 24
hours continuous driving (I think they run the car for 24 hours
straight at either 150 or 175 mph on an oval course just recently.
I'll have to look it up during lunch). The engine was essentially a
stock engine. 

>Smaller don't always mean less. In some rich countries where there is no 
>tax on engine size [or anything else] and the gas is dirt cheap, many small 
>sporty engines are very popular.

Like? How many Acuras in Saudi Arabia (sorry, could NOT resist :-)???

Anyhow, I know I won't convince you. Doesn't matter.

Spiros
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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Braking techniques
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:09:20 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:

>jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Engine braking helps avoid wheel lockup in slick conditions.

>  So does brake modulation.  You can still lock up the wheels while
>engine braking,

No, you can't.  The wheels will never turn slower (or faster) than the
transmission is turning them.  You can skid, but you cannot lock up
the wheels -- they will continue rotating even while the car skids.

There's no argument from me that brake modulation isn't a better
choice if done properly but it can be real hard to detect the start of
a skid that early.

>yet it seems to me you would get overall less braking with only two
>wheels (assuming it isn`t AWD) than with all four with the brakes.

No argument here.  I usually do a combination of moderate braking and
engine braking under slick conditions.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
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From: bill@uluru.tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: 1990 Ford Tempo Stalling
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:41:59 GMT

In article <C0G3Hr.3EL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v128fm4v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott W Parks) writes:
|> Anyone had any problems with a 1990 Tempo Stalling??
|> 
|> The car with occasionally stall after accelerating from a
|> complete stop.  The car doesn't sputter or anything but just
|> stops.  The car will immediatly restart and run perfectly.
|> 

I had similar problems with a 1987 Topaz and was able to fix it by
reading Mitchell's "Computerized Engine Controls" at the local
library.  [Chilton's also publishes a book on the subject.]  It tells
you how to run the Ford computer's self-test and to read and interpret
the engine fault codes. There are step-by-step tests to pinpoint what
components need to be replaced.  You will need a volt-ohm meter to do
it.

Mine would stall and would also have cold-starting problems, surging
idle and occasional loss of power.  Now it always starts on the first
turn of the key, maintains proper idle and has no power loss.

Not every problem will show up on the fault codes, i.e. the oxygen
sensor controls affects the fuel mixture but doesn't have a fault
code.  But most of the other engine control sensors are covered.

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