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From: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Susan Grocott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Winter Riding (Warning/Apology: this got long and detailed :-)
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Sue Grocott)
Distribution: usa
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

In article <1992Sep19.015630.24159@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> hon@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (laslo.varadi) writes:
>I need some information on equipment I might need for riding in the winter
>in the northeast. What type of shoes are recommended for the horse? I have
>heard of studs and "borium". Are there any advantages or drawback to these?
>I havehve seen some people using sheets on the back of the horse. Is that
>necessary.

Hope this response is better late than never :-)  
Up here in the igloo capital of Toronto, the blacksmiths are pretty handy with
winterizing feet.  I usually roll out the snow tires some time in November.

I usually put small, permanent ice-studs in front.  If your horse interferes
borium is probably better and boots/bandages become a must.  

In back I try to manage with a full groove (the groove for the nails goes all
the way round the shoe, offering a little more traction.  But I have these 
shoes tapped out so I can screw-in caulks if I need them (I use screw-ins year 
round actually - but that's an eventing necessity up here where it can be 
knee-deep mud one week and concrete the next).  

The only draw-backs I've seen with studs are: 

	interference (boots can solve that problem), 
	maintenance (screw-ins are a pain, sometimes borium will wear down, 
		     but regular shoeing helps) 
	possible side effects of changing the foot angle and grip 
		- probably only found with weak stifles or arthritic hocks so 
		  if you've had any such problems run your plans by your vet.

One problem that we see in the winter is feet 'balling-up' with packed snow.
You can get rounded rubber inserts which help with this problem (seen 'em,
never tried 'em so I don't know what they're called, but they look neat).  I
always hack with a hoof pick and stop to pick out the feet as necessary.

I use quarter sheets for hacking whenever it's below zero.  Mine are *wool*
which I swear by.  I rarely do fast work at these temperatures, so I don't
have to worry about the horse sweating underneath.  I try to avoid clipping
because I think it makes the hair grow even more, but I do blanket for turnout
once it gets down to about 5 degrees *Celcius* (Sorry, but this *is* Canada :-)
for the daily high. I use Baker Blankets (double thickness or fleece lined) 
until the highs are sub-zero *Celcius* and then I use Cordura's or New
Zealands.  I stay away from Nylon anything :-)

For me it's Thinsulate all the way - jacket, boots and gloves - lightweight
but warm.  

And judging by this morning's weather (wind chill of -4 degrees C) it's time
to start digging that stuff out ....

	Sue Grocott
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: sentementality
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:59:23 GMT

In article <1astdhINNo9@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.175212.2483@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> MAUSEN@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA writes:
>
>>     What happens to carcasses of horses that vets put down, does
>>     anyone know??
>I don't know about horses, but when I worked for a small animal vet,
>euthanized dogs and cats were cremated en masse by a compnay who
>charged for the service.  Clients could ask for indivdual cremation,
>and had the option of keeping the ashes.  I imagine that horses are
>also cremated because of the legal risk if an owner would find that
>the carcass had been sold for meat.  Also, meat coming from a vet is
>usually assumed to be infected with a contagious disease by the health
>department.
>
>Sarah Pallas
>
>

What about the glue factory?

Yuck...why are we talking about this?

=gwyn
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: XT-XW 2-horse trailer Wanted
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:43:47 CDT
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

I am looking for a 2-horse extra-tall extra-wide trailer.  So...if you
have one up for adoption that is in good shape and reasonably priced, 
please email me.  By the way, I'm in the Dallas-Ft Worth area and
would prefer not to travel to California or similar distances for it.  

But, if you're from California and have advice, feel free to respond.  I've
been following the thread on trucks and trailers with great interest.

Laurel McGilvery			Not only do I not speak for the
TBs Rose & Buddy, Sally & Pal, 		the company does not
Sweetie & DueNextYear 			speak for me. 

All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: xxcrys@crystal.lerc.nasa.gov (Crystal Ratliff)
Subject: Re: GIF's of Horses?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:29:02 GMT

In article <JAMES.92Oct2182029@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> james@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (James E. Jones) writes:
>
>I for one am *very* interested.  Looking forward to your message!
>--

Ditto!! (I would love to have some horse gifs :-)

Crystal


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From: amandar@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Summer jobs?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:00:25 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

I'm thinking about doing a summer internship in the horse industry...

I've ridden extensively and done some barn management.  I'd really like to 
get into show management also...Anyone have any ideas or people to 
contact about it?


AmandaR@yang.earlham.edu
Amandar@earlham.bitnet
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: leading
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:13:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos

In article <1992Sep27.161706.6993@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener) writes:
>Oh yes, before I forget again... What does TEAM (or TTEAM) stand for?

TEAM is the Tellington Equine Awareness Method.  or TT for Tellington Touch.
check the books and videos by linda tellington-jones for some excellent training
techniques.

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Feeding oil (was Re: Mud fever)
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:27:01 GMT

In article <2750009@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> kris@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (kris troxel) writes:

>the change. While I have formulated rations for endurance horses that 
>ended up including oils, I have usually found that changing the grain
>from oats to barley or corn will provided the needed increase in energy.
>

All you say certainly seems in accordance with what I have been
able to discover. I have read though that oils are more readily
digestible than energy gained from grains. I don't claim this as
fact, merely what I've read. Also, I have read that energy in the 
form of oils, or fats, stores in the body better or longer than
that of grains and is, therefore better for endurance horses. I
have also heard people say that there is less risk of tying up
problems in endurance horses which get substantial parts of their
energy from oil. I would be very interested in the names of any
publications that have more on this subject.


>I suppose I should provide some basis for my comments. My degree is in
>Animal Science, with a specialty in Nutrition. I hope this has helped cla-
>rify the question.
>

I am doing horse husbandry at Wagga Uni. here in Oz and I've
become very interested in nutrition, especially for endurance
horses which is what I'm into.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Choices People Make (was Grooming, Ginger etc.)
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:47:17 GMT
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I found your discussion extremely thoughtful.  Nobody ever
wants to believe of themselves that they are cruel.  At
one extreme you can find the radical animal rights types
who think all horses should run free, and at the other
end, well...that's been gone over already.  I
suppose the best sign of moral health is asking such
questions of oneself, and not just "snickering" it off.  
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: FORD Truck Recall
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:36:47 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Gee, this is ineteresting...

I totaled an '89 F250 last year when the brakes failed
at a stop sign.  The truck ended up upside down with
the roof about the height of the truck bed.  Not fun.

Please look after this recall.

-maureen
From: pallas@CEPHALO.NEUSC.BCM.TMC.EDU (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Letting Run Loose
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:56:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: gazette.1ahuvfINNjqk
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <4emQQgi00WBM42pn0m@andrew.cmu.edu> Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Since my last post I have a question and would really like to see which
>way you all think I should go.  Should I let our Pai (mare) run loose
>with the other mares every other day or not!?!
>
It would be nice for her if she could go out.  If there is some way
she can be turned out alone that is better.  If not, then wrap all 4
legs well, put her out, and WATCH her for a couple hours, and see how
she handles the other horses.  I would never turn out a horse for the
first time and then leave!  If you do this a few times and she seems
able to stay out of trouble, she will probably be fine, except for a
few scrapes now and then.  But anytime a new horse is introduced to
the herd, you will have to go through the watching routine again until
the dominanace hierarchy gets reestablished.

Good luck
Sarah Pallas
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: sentementality
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:36:45 GMT


When I bought my fist mare, the owner and I agreed if for some reason I could
no longer keep her, I would contact her (the oringinal owner), return the mare,
and receive the amount of money I paid for her. This lady had owned my mare's
mother and raised this mare (who was nine years old when I bought her) from a
foal. She really hated to part with her and did not want her to spend the rest
of her life going from one home to another, not knowing how she would be
treated. We wrote this into our contract. I have kept in touch with this lady
and even sent pictures so she would see how happy, loved and well cared for the
mare was. I think the original owner wanted this in the contract for peace of
mind. I was a first time horse owner and she wanted to make sure this was not
just a whim and in a month or two would decide the mare was too much trouble
and not want her anymore. I have now owned her for three years and she is the
absolute love of my life. The original owner is now confident that if for some
reason I could no longer keep her, she would no longer have to buy her back to
ensure that she went to a good home, but, she did still offer help in finding
her a home if I needed it. In short, she just wanted to make sure her "baby"
was treated well and taken care of. And for that, I respect and appreciate her.


Donna (and Quita)
From: rse3765@zeus.tamu.edu (ERKERT, RONALD STEWART)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: special students riding clinic
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:50:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.28SEP199210500854
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy all,

This last Saturday I spent the morning working the
Special Students Riding Clinic for the mentally 
handicapped.  It is sponsored by the Horsemen's 
Association here at Texas A&M.  Due to popular demand
there are 3 clinics this semester and more planned for
the Spring.  It is a wonderful feeling watching these
kids and their parents.  I just want to relate one 
story that occured last year.

Two years back a young girl was brought out to the clinic.  She 
was confined to a wheelchair and didn't talk.  The next year ('91) her 
mother brought her back out.  This time she walked to the horse under her
own power and spent the entire time talking up a storm.  Just the look
on her mother's face made all our efforts worthwhile.

This is just one of many success stories.  It shows that the power of a
horse is more than just physical strength and makes me appreciate these
magnificent animals all the more.

Just something I wanted to share.

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Subject: Re: teaching
Organization: The City University
Date:  5 Oct 92 13:28:45 GMT

gerbaudo@jorasses.inria.fr (Pascal Gerbaudo) writes:

>Hi.

>I would like to know if in the differents countrys in the 
>world one must have a state diploma, delivered by the state, 
>for teaching equestrian and earn money.
In England, there is no requirement *as such* for qualifications from
any of the three bodies that arrange exams for diplomas (British Horse
Society, Association of British Riding Schools, Ponies of Britain(?)).

BUT, Riding schools [defined as providing the use of a horse for payment]
need a licence from the District Council and they can set conditions
which ammount to a requirement for a teaching qualification.
A freelance teacher [giving lessons to a pupil on the pupils own horse]
does not need a licence, but is well advised to be well insured.

Andy

Andy Holt // Computer Unit // The City University // London, England

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott)
Subject: men's riding clothes wanted
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:40:52 GMT


I am looking to buy some used hunt seat riding clothes for my husband.  Anyone
out there have something that may help me out?

Wanted:  men's hunt coat - size 42 or 44 long.  Preferrably black
or dark blue.

Wanted:  men's hunt boots - size 10-1/2 or 11.  The problem with off the 
rack boots for him is that he has a high instep.  By the time he can
get his foot in the boot, the calf is gaping at the top.  We have found
a pair of used boots that fit because the boot is already stretched out.
However, the owner of those boots doesn't want to sell.  We are hoping to
find another used pair somewhere.  Prefer dress boots, but field boots will
do.   (Just don't have the cash to spring for those customs right now!)


PLEASE contact me if you can help me out!   He desparately wants to
fox hunt this season.  We can borrow the other boots again, but we haven't
been able to find a coat to borrow.   He's jealous because I have been
fox hunting twice this season and absolutely LOVED it!!!

Audrey Carroll
(and Miss Liz who also LOVES fox hunting!)

prescott@blue.rtsg.mot.com

Work:  708-632-6760
Home:  708-202-1358

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Scrambling in the trailer
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:05:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: phobos.avs.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Maybe the problem is the gelding.  Some horses are "leaners".
They either lean against the wall, or they lean against the
other horse.  It drives the other horse to distraction, and
is very tough on them physically.  So, maybe your gelding
leans to his right.
From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: For Sale notices
Date: 29 Sep 1992 08:37:13 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

This is a for sale notice for a friend.  Please contact her directly at the
number below.


For sale:  16.1 Brown papered TB Gelding, 7 years old.  Great experience
level for a young horse.  Suitable for Jr/Amateur Owner jumpers or more
exposure in Combined Training.  Years of showing ahead of him.

Trained by A-level Pony Clubber, and shown extensively in CT and PC Rallys.
Has not competed in A circuit -- you can take him through the training 
levels on.  Won Showpark and Las Vegas Silk Purse divisions (CT).  Went to
Kentucky for Pony Club Nationals.  Currently proficient at 4ft courses.

Easy to work with, good ground manners, uncomplicated and talented jumper.

$15,000         Negotiable to a pony club home.
                                                 Call April, (619) 486-1703
San Diego area.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tara@wam.umd.edu (Tara)
Subject: Re: sentementality
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:35:49 GMT

>I often wonder if it would be possible to sell a horse with the stipulation
>that you get to check out and agree upon all future owners. I would imagine
>that this would not be possible from a legal stand. Does anyone know of
>anything like this in real life?
>
>							...Denise
One of the horses that the University of Md. Equestrian Association has
received as a donation, Nehi, was a former polo-pony.  Her previous
owner is Ami Shinitzky, Editor in Chief of _Equus_ magazine.  The donation
agreement includes a clause that he put in....basically the "right of first
refusal".  If UMEA were to sell Nehi, we *must* contact him first and
tell him about the upcoming sale.  Ami can then choose whether or not
he wants to buy her back.

He wouldn't have to worry about Nehi getting a good home though....one of
the club members, Patty O'Connor, would want to buy her and will possibly
put in a standing bid within the club (should we ever want to sell her).


             ,--, | University of Maryland Equestrian Association 
       _ ___/ /\| |
   ,;`( )__, )  ~ | Horses: Quaker, Bud, Playboy, Tommy, Casey, Darla
  //  //   '--;   | 	    Nehi, Classy, Dee, Vern
  '   \     |     | Others: Majic (another horse), Pepin, Pajas,
tara@wam.umd.edu  |         Parsifal and Penny 



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: flying changes
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:51:31 GMT



In article <92275.140650WEAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Wendy Allison <WEAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> Does anyone out there have a "trick" for cuing a flying change?  My horse
> knows how to do them, but I don't know exactly how to cue him, or more
> specifically, WHEN to cue him.  What I'm doing now is the following: I'll
> begin by circling him, then try to straighten him up, check (half-halt), and
> cue for the other lead (with leg, seat, & rein).  Sometimes we get it, but
> not usually.  And then he usually "falls" or rushes into it about half way
> around the turn.  I just have the feeling that if I can give him the right
> cue at the right time, he'll do beautiful changes.  Any advice on this would
> be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> Wendy

Here's one way to get flying changes.....

If you are tracking left at the canter, leg yield the horse slightly left to
switch the weight to what will be the new outside hind.  Use your hands and
legs to push the horse up and lighten his front end.  With the horse now on
a slight right bend, close your outside leg and lift the inside rein as the
horse's current outside hind drives under him.  As the lead change completes,
check with the new outside rein to support him through the transition and
to prevent rushing out of the change (frequently done to regain balance).  If
you have the horse lightened in front before starting the change, you're
less likely to get as much rushing as you depart the change.  As you and
the horse become more comfortable and consistent with the flying changes,
make your aids more subtle.  It's generally best not to practice flying
changes too often as this can create rushing.  Do lots of simple changes,
making sure that your horse really comes back to you at the transition.
This will help set him up to do the flying changes easily.

Diane
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: manacsa@l13ff.jsc.nasa.gov (Gerry Manacsa)
Subject: Wintec-Pro dressage saddle
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:01:30 GMT

Anyone familiar with the latest version of the Wintec-Pro dressage saddle?  Or
Wintec-Pro's in general?  How do they compare with similarly-priced leather 
saddles?
From: butlet@aix.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler)
Subject: Re: Trucking/Trailers
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:52:55 GMT

crj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>From experience - don't try to tow with a Dodge!!!  Stick with a Ford or Chevy. 
>Had an '86 Dodge - 350 or whatever Dodge is, 3/4 ton.  A wimp!  Automatic.
>Now I have a 3 horse, Moritz (very light), and nothing to tow it with.  I
>ruined our Ford transmission on the 1981, 150 , 4 speed, 1/2 ton pickup.  Had 
>to use third gear on most hills, now pops out of third gear.  Don't those of
>you that are using a standard shift have trouble shifting down - especially
>on hills - without upsetting the balance your horse must maintain?  This neck
>of the woods is very hilly.

>Carol and "Super" AQH 
>g

   Well, you are giving advice inon 6-12 year old trucks. The current
Dodge with the Cummins turbodiesel is probably the best light truck
tow vehicle. Unfortunately it isn't available in a crew cab.

   About downshifting... Basically you just need lots of practice
if you can't yet do it smoothly enough. And many trucks, especially
large trucks (not pickups) must be double clutched on the downshift.
(Often on upshifts too.)  If you match rpms well enouhgh when you
engage the clutch, you eliminate all of the jerking.

tim butler   butlet@rpi.edu

and I guess I am supposed to say:
and Sultan, Skippy, Jupiter, Rosey, Timmy, Star,
and sometimes Donald, and Weener, etc....

(and of Kelli, who rides all of the above.)  (the horses!)


From: russ@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Russ Lown)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:33:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Trucking/Trailers
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

/ hpkslx:rec.equestrian / crj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu /  4:30 am  Sep 29, 1992 /
>From experience - don't try to tow with a Dodge!!!  Stick with a Ford or Chevy. 
>Had an '86 Dodge - 350 or whatever Dodge is, 3/4 ton.  A wimp!  Automatic.

<other stuff deleted>

>Carol and "Super" AQH 
>g
>----------

What exactly were the problems you had with your Dodge? 


Russ Lown
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Winter Riding
Date: 27 Sep 1992 08:30:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu
Keywords: blue hands, feet

I've never lived in a TRULY cold climate, but I've had pretty good
luck with the isotoner winter riding gloves.  They are nice and thin
and stretchy and give you a good feel, but have a brushed lining that's
pretty warm.

   Debbie
   deblev@ipac.caltech.edu.