Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:27:47 EST
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Discrimination against whites is rampant
Distribution: usa
 <93004.080247KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <4JAN199312424225@zeus.tamu.edu>

In article <4JAN199312424225@zeus.tamu.edu>, cll5685@zeus.tamu.edu (LARUE,
CHARLES L.) says:
>
>In article <93004.080247KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
>writes...
>>  Your analogy is ludicrous.  Sports and entertainment are the two fields
>that
>
>How can you say that it is ludicrous?  There is a disproportionate number of
>blacks in sports.  Anytime there is a disproportionate number of whites in a
>given job, racism is the cry.  So what is the difference here?

    How can I say it is ludicrous?  Easy, did you read the rest of the sentence
that you cut off above?  I will repeat it.  Blacks have always been allowed to
excell in sports and entertainment throughout our history (well, in baseball it
has only been since 1947).  Yes, Blacks are disproportionately represented in
sports, but Black children and adults also disproportionately aspire to be
athletes because of the closing of other doors (read Harry Edwards work on the
Sociology of Sports).  If you look at sports, blacks are allowed to achieve
only in some postions, (how many blacks did you see on the sideline coaching in
 the playoffs?).  So yes, I say your statement is ludicrous.  Do you hear
people crying racism because there aren't enough Blacks in tennis or ice
hockey or golf?  We are allowed to achieve on the football fields and basket-
ball courts of AMerica, but not in the board room!  Even the Roman slaves were
allowed to be gladiators for the amusement of the roman emporers.  Sorry,
sports is the wrong area to make such an assertion, we have always been able
to do things that amuse the white world!
>
>>qualified then themselves, and that is simply wrong!  Until all these ills
>are
>>corrected we are going to have problems like you state. But I am really      s
>curiou
>>as to how you know these students test scores and grades.   And also how do  u
>yo
>>know that they are on academic probation, again this information is
>>confedential between the school and the student?
>
>I will not go into details about how I knew, because as you say the
>information
>is confidential.  I will just say that I did see the scores.  I would not make
>the assumption that someone did worse just because they were black.  And of

   You mean to tell me that you had access to another student's scores and
grades?  Someone should be fired over this, it is HIGHLY illegal for this and
you shouldn't publish this information over a public network.

>the
>students on academic probation, we all hang out together, go to the same
>parties, etc., so one of them told me and another told a friend of mine.  Once
>again, I would never just assume this.  I want to be clear.  I am not trying
>to flame, I just see a situation that I believe is highly unfair.  I believe
>in
>equality for all people and I believe that I am no better than another man.
>But when I work my ass off and see someone with more money (once again, I am
>not making assumptions) get a better fellowship because of their race, I am
>outraged.  Also, I am curious to your thoughts on the guy who recently
>immigrated here and was awarded a nice fellowship.  He is a friend of mine,
>but
>I think his fellowship is unwarranted.  (He is now on academic probation).
>

      Funny, you deleted my story about the rampant racism that Blacks have
to experience in something as simple as getting an education.  But I will play
your game.  I offer no excuse for what your school did, if it is true.   Do you
know the full background of these individuals?  For instance, as in high school
a graduate school will give certain allowances for students who were, for
example, athletes in college.  Because it was such a time constraining activity
some schools will add points to the GPA because if they didn't play sports they
would have had a higher GPA.
   As far as the immigrant receiving a fellowship and you didn't, well, I am
one who is for diversity in education.  Did the student come from a school
whose native language is English?  If not, then you have to throw out his/her
test scores, because how do you expect someone to do as well as you when they
do not speak the language as well (remember these grad exams have a verbal
section)?  You have to give more details, and again do you know this person's
full history?  As I recall, fellowships are  given to students for their
achievements, not for their income level, so the fact that he is richer than
you should not make a difference!    Were you told by the admission officer
that the reason they got the fellowships was because of their race?  The fact
that the students are now on academic probation means nothing.  As an undergrad
there were people who were on academic probation who graduated from high school
with 4.0's and 1400 SAT scores!  Fellowships and assistantships and scholar-
ships are often given for achievement on the previous level, not on the level
you are currently at.  You need to have more facts then what you are telling
me.
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