From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: VP Debate -- impressions & facts
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:47:20 EST
Summary: Well, more impressions than facts.
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
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Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1bhqg0INNdni@fido.asd.sgi.com>, aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer) writes:
...
> Quayle:  Came out shooting -- plus expectations were so low he could
>  have said just about anything.  So he did -- and a lot of it was false.
>  Those of you who have been reading the articles I post to this group 
>  have probably noticed that I'm a big fan of facts & reports -- so I
>  was very well-prepared, when Quayle made assertions about Clinton/Gore

	Well, it will be refreshing to debate with you!

>  or defended allegations against Bush & himself to determine whether he
>  was telling the truth.  Unfortunately, most people will walk away from 
>  the debate with the impressions left by him, and probably not find out 
>  how incorrect his actual statements were.  Offhand I noticed that Quayle
>  was wrong in his accusation about Gore's book (pg 304 -- I'll be happy

	Not so much wrong as being inventive.  Gore does indeed propose an
environmental marshall plan, but doesn't provide any numbers.  The Reps simply
took what the actual Marshall plan would cost in today's dollars.
	If Al really wants to refute that charge, he will provide another
number.

>  to post it), he was wrong about the lobbying-companies-to-move-overseas 
>  issue,

	Not wrong on that one either.  The US has been helping the Americas
develop economically for over a decade.  This does not constitute using tax
dollars to send jobs outside the country.  The economies that develop south of
the border trade mainly with the US--providing more jobs.
	The only losers are people like the overpaid union workers, who are
discovering that many poor people in Mexico and Honduras will do their jobs for
1/10 the money.  The consumers here benefit by paying less.  The union workers
who lose their jobs need two things: retraining, and non-union jobs :).

> and he was wrong about Gore's opposition to the Caribbean Basin
>  Initiative.  It'll be interesting to read the newsgroups to see what 
>  else you guys found.  :-)

	He was right about that too!  Gore voted YES on a 1990 bill that
included money for the Caribbean Initiative.

>  Summary:  Flailing wildly -- some hits, mostly misses.

	Au Contraire.  Many hits, some off-center, some lucky.

> Gore:  Wooden -- but solid.  I was disappointed that he didn't come back
>  with specifics immediately when Quayle attacked the line out of his book,
>  but I felt that he had a lot of VERY good statements -- "When are you
>  guys going to concentrate on the U.S.?" and his question to Quayle about
>  the failure of trickle-down economics.   His facts sounded correct, and

	Which is a lie.  Supply-side economics worked very well during the
1980s.  Only when Bush abandoned them did the US slide.  (Read the "Derailing
series for more info.)

>  he really appealed to the listeners' intellect.  He was helped immensely
>  by appearing to know more about Perot's program than Stockdale did.  :-)
> 
>  Summary:  Took the hits and dished some out.

	Looked like a robot.  His entire presentation was obviously
choreographed.  Turns off most voters.

Brett                                                      
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