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From: ttllarsa@eua.ericsson.se (Lars.Andersson)
Subject: Re: This weekends results from Salsomaggiore
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:05:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.065929.16728@eua.ericsson.se> ttllarsa@eua.ericsson.se (Lars.Andersson) writes:
>Results with 16 boards to go in Open QF and Women SF;

Final Results follows

>
>Open
>USA-Egypt 205-108

USA - Egypt 225-154

>Denmark-France 113-106 ;-)

Denmark - France 143-145 :-( :-(

>Netherlands-Israel 98-88

Netherlands - Israel 137 - 119

>Sweden-Poland 126-80 ;-)

Sweden - Poland 171-91 ;-);-);-)

This leaves the following semifinals:
USA - Sweden
The Netherlands - France

Two very even matches. If the US play Deutsch I believe in
a final between Sweden and France.

>
>Women
>GB-Germany 144-104

GB - Germany 176 -149

>Austria-France 111-102

Austria - France 135-121

Final: GB-Austria. I think Austria will win this.

--lars
From: j-grout@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (grout john robert)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: what went wrong?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell) writes:

>In article <llnykpg@rpi.edu>, sperbr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron E Sperber) writes:
>|> Playing in the Flight B swiss in a regional you pick up the following
>|> hand (white on red)
>|> 
>|> KQxxx
>|> KQTx
>|> x
>|> xxx
>|> 
>|> Partner in first seat opens 1H and with the opponents silent the auction
>|> proceeds:
>|> 
>|> 1H   1S(1)
>|> 2N   3H
>|> 3S   4H
>|> P
>|> 
>|> (1) promises 5 spades

>Curious system ! What is it ?

Presumably, they are playing a 2D or 2H opening as Flannery (11+ to 16- HCP, 5
hearts, 4 spades)... with this understanding, a 1H opener either hasn't 4
spades or is strong enough to reverse into spades over partner's response.

>|> this proved to not be the optimal contract as we were +480 missing a 
>|> nearly cold slam with partner holding:
>|> 
>|> AJ
>|> Axxxx
>|> KQJ
>|> Axx
>|> 
>|> Where did the auction go wrong?

>I could start yelling about showing your trump support, but then the
>US people will put me in their kill files I guess :-)

>4H seems timid, why not cuebid diamonds ? That is, if you play italian
>cues (1st & 2nd controls mixed). Opener seems to already have shown his
>values and can't really do much more, you must take some initiative.

>I would bid:

>1H - 2NT (support) - 3NT (18-19) - 4H (I've done enough) - 4NT (RKC)
>- 5D - 6H

Since this auction merely drives to slam (without finding either the
miraculous spade fit or the horrible duplication in diamonds), it seems slam
would have to be there much of the time for it to be right... perhaps a BOREL
simulation could tell us how often slam is there opposite a 2NT response with
one key card (for example, it would seem likely responder has the QH or more
than four hearts to be able to bid 2NT with only one key card).

-- 
John R. Grout			| INTERNET: j-grout@uiuc.edu
From: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: RGB Etiquette (WAS: Try this one)
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:30:41 GMT
Reply-To: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov

In article <1992Aug25.205719.27055@speedy.aero.org> (martino@courier6.aero.org(Nick Martino)) writes:
>Being a relative newcomer to r.g.b., I am curious if a code of etiquette
>has ever been set forth in writing for this thread.  If one hasn't, perhaps
>it should be.  If it has already, could someone please post it once more.	 
Hey, this is the net.  There are no rules.  Each newsgroup is what the
readers (or writers, rather) make it.  There is nothing you can do about
it.  Well, that's not really true.  You can start another whining string
of postings about it, but there is nothing you can do to change it.

-- 
"In nature there are no rewards or punishments, only consequences"

Asya Kamsky	      e-mail: asya@ux5.lbl.gov                   Go Red Sox
"In order to command you must first learn to submit" - chinese fortune cookie
From: desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: RGB Etiquette (WAS: Try this one)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:41:31 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research, Princeton

Robert D. Silverman <bs@gauss.mitre.org> writes:
>Errors that SHOULD be ridiculed if made by an experienced player are
>simple mistakes to a novice, but how does everyone else know?

Continuing this pointless discussion, exactly why SHOULD people be
ridiculed?  Is this some sort of divine obligation which has been placed
upon you?  Most people don't see a NEED to ridicule anyone.

                                        David desJardins
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson)
Subject: Defend 3N
Organization: Raytheon Company
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:14:37 GMT

You are playing in the 2nd session of a 2-session club championship.
It is the 1st round and you are playing against one of the best pairs,
if not *the* best pair, in the club.
Your 65% game from last week stands second to their 66%,
and you need a good start against them if you expect to catch them.

Matchpoints. None vul. North dealer. You are East.

South  West   North  East
              2S     dbl      2S - weak two
3C     pass   3S     pass     3C - natural, forcing
3N     pass   pass   pass

North
AQTxxx
9xx
xxx
x
           East
           KJx
           A7xx
           AKxx
           xx

Partner leads the jack of diamonds, denying a higher honor.
You might not approve of the double, but now you've got to defend 3N.
What's the plan?

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
P.S. No, we didn't catch them. :-(
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: ttllarsa@eua.ericsson.se (Lars.Andersson)
Subject: Re: This weekends results from Salsomaggiore
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:40:42 GMT

Two problems from Salsomaggiore;

1. You are playing 3NT. LHO leads the 2 of clubs (third/fifth)

Dxx
Tx
AJTxxx
Kx


ATx
KJ9x
D9x
ATx

If you play low in Dummy, RHO plays the Jack.
Plan the play.


2. RHO opens 1H (9-13 hcp, 4+Hearts). You hold
 AQ/A9x/xxx/AQJxx. No one is vulnerable, what do you bid?
Your 1NT overcall is 15-18.



Your partner holds KT9xxx/x/Axx/Kxx.
Would you reach 7S?

--lars
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: Re: Michaels without a c(l)ue--assign the blame
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:56:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.170008.28483@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson) writes:
>* In article <BtKn5r.2vp@ais.org> hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik) writes:
>* >Love all, West deals:
>* >
>* >West                East
>* >T 7                 A K Q J 8
>* >9 2                 K Q 8 7 5
>* >7 5 3               K
>* >A K 9 7 4 2         6 5
>* >
>* >Pass      (1D)      2D(1)
>* >3C                  Pass
>* >
>* >(1) Michaels--weak or strong.
>
>Had the West hand been T 7,  9 2,  9 7 5 3,  A K 7 4 2,
>then I would say West must bid 2 of a major,
>as the clubs just aren't long or good enough.

This is a good point, and I agree with you that 3C would be wrong
here, but which major should West choose in this case?  You can
say 2S because of the 10-spot, but reverse West's majors and
you still want to be in spades, not hearts. 

-- 
Kevin J. Podsiadlik         | "A recent survey has revealed that, if the
Vaporware Engineer          | election were to be held tomorrow, a whopping
2nd class                   | 98% of those polled would be glad it came
E-mail: hampton@ais.org     | early this year." -- Thomas Sowell (paraphrased)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: milord@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Brian Bankler)
Subject: Splinters w/ A, K -RE: What to bid?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.142903.8444@linus.mitre.org> bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>In article <mlg.714832564@volvo> mlg@siemens.com. (Michael Greenberg) writes:
>:You deal and hold
>:Kx,AJT87x,QJxx,A
>:
>:1H-P-2D-2S-?
>:What do you bid?
> 
>4C, splinter in diamonds. 3C would be forcing, so this is unambiguously a
>splinter bid.
>--
>Bob Silverman
>These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
>Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
>"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"

	What is the r.g.b.consensus (is there) on splintering with

	a) Stiff Ace

	b) Stiff King

	c) Void

	I know some people who refuse to splinter on a,b or c.  I know the
(vague) reasons, but what are your thoughts?

			Brian

-- 
Crowley -- An Angel who did not so much Fall as Saunter Vaguely Downwards
	*** Brian Bankler milord@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ***
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: bidding problem
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:02:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.092214.8796@corax.udac.uu.se> olle@astro.uu.se (Olof Morell) writes:
:In article <1580@idacrd.UUCP>, desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins) writes:
:|> Robert D. Silverman <bs@gauss.mitre.org> writes:
:|> >(2) Pulling 4H to 5C is crazy, however. Partner's jump to 4H shows a good
:|> >6 card suit.
:|> 
:|> I don't understand this at all.  What would you bid over 1S-X-P with
:|> xxx/KTxxx/Ax/AQx ?  I can't imagine bidding anything but 4H.
:
:I don't se the reason to blast 4H on this hand, why not bid 2S and follow-up
:with 3H, giving partner a chance to describe his hand, 3NT may well be
 
Cuebidding 2S then bidding hearts shows much more in HCP and less shape.
Jumping to game shows a good suit with shape and fewer HCP.

One would bid 2S then hearts with the hand David asked about. With a
self-reliant suit one simply jumps to game. This is to account for
the possibility that partner *might* have doubled on a strong 1-suiter.
The jump to game says you don't need trump support. The cuebid then
bid hearts shows a strong hand, but a suit that needs support.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: ST402256@brownvm.brown.edu (Paul)
Subject: victory point scale question
Organization: Brown University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:16:09 GMT


I've recently joined a money swiss team event at a local
club.  The plan, originally, was to run separate swiss
events every week for 8 weeks, keeping track of total
victory points.  The winner is the team with the most
total VPs after 8 weeks.

10 teams have signed up for the league.  Unless more come
in, (and the deadline is fast approaching), that will be
the number.  It seems to me that the format should be
changed.  In 9 weeks, we could run a complete round
robin, one match per week.  Each week, teams could
play a 24, 28, or 32 board match, depending on what
the club director decides.   I suggested this possibilty
to her and she said she'd consider it.

What I'd like to know is this:  What are the victory
point scales (either 20 or 30 point) for 24, 28, and
32 board matches?  Anyone know?

Paul
-----------------
st402256@brownvm.bitnet st402256@brownvm.brown.edu
prm@the same two places

"There are a billion people in China.  It's not easy to be an individual
in a crowd of more than a billion people.  Think of it.  More than a
*billion* people.  That means even if you're a one-in-a-million type
of guy, there are still a thousand guys exactly like you."
--A. Whitney Brown, _The_Big_Picture_
From: desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: The Butler Scoring Method (was Re: Toronto Nationals selection #1)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:07:36 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research, Princeton

David Grabiner <grabiner@math.harvard.edu> writes:
>The median will not make a good par because many boards have two or
>three principal results.  For example, if everyone in the room is in 4S,
>but only four of thirteen pairs make it, neither +620 nor -100 is a good
>par.

I strongly disagree.  Both +620 and -100 are excellent pars.  I think we
must have very different ideas about what a IMP par is trying to
achieve.

The first point is that the IMP results are equivalent if either +620 or
-100 is chosen as the par.  If +620 is the par, then the -100 scores -13
IMPs.  If -100 is the par, then +620 scores +13 IMPs.  These are exactly
equivalent, as long as everyone plays the board.

If what an IMP pair game is supposed to do is approximate the scoring
system from a team game, then either of these pars is perfect.  In a
team event, the difference between scoring +620 and -100 will always be
exactly 13 IMPs.  (Either your teammates will defeat 4S, or they won't.)
In general, on any board where there are only two scores achieved,
choosing either of them as the IMP par gives the correct result.
Choosing a par in between generally makes the swing between making and
going down larger than it "should" be.

Now, the second point to understand is that this will not treat pairs
who don't play the board fairly.  For example, if there is a fourteenth
pair which duplicated the board, and -100 is the par, then on average
every other pair will score +4 IMPs just for having the opportunity to
play the board.  However, this is true of almost any IMP par system.
Unless par is specifically chosen to make the average N-S IMP score to
come out to zero (which is not the case in any system of which I am
aware), each board will have some IMP bias just by virtue of playing it.
It is obvious and elementary (but rarely implemented, to my knowledge),
that either the IMP scores should be adjusted to have mean zero, or
pairs should be awarded the mean IMP score on boards they do not play.
(Of course, the two are equivalent.)

With this understanding, I think the mode represents the ideal IMP par.
It represents the score that you are most likely to have been IMPed
against in a team game, and thus assigns the most likely spectrum of
scores to your possible outcomes.  The median is another alternative,
which gives essentially the same result on bimodal distributions, but is
maybe a little more stable when the scores are all over the place (so
that even the mode occurs only two or three times).  Both of these are
much better than any sort of weighted mean, which usually means IMPing
against a score which never could have happened at another table.

                                        David desJardins
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: How would you rule?
Summary: (An amusing tale...)
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:39:35 GMT

Playing in a club game tonite, we were being kibitzed by one of the
club's directors (not the one running this game), and we had one of our
usual complex Precision auctions (I think it was 1NT - 3NT).  Anyway, I
was about to become dummy when we all noticed Lefty fumbling among her
cards, obviously looking for a lead.  At this point, the kibitzer
pointed out to her that it was not her lead.

We felt that we were injured, since we lost the opportunity to benefit
from a lead out of turn.  What do you think?

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From: taylor@foraker.tivoli.com (Eric Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Was this bid ridiculous ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:59:11 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

In article <BtJDMz.AC4@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, bdsokolo@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Sokolowsky) writes:
|> Playing in a small team tournament (4 teams) for training purposes,
|> i came to the table and noticed, that there was no 7nt card in my
|> bidding box. I was sure it was some kind of omen, but was it a hint
|> or a warning ? Who could tell ? Anyways, ...
|> 
|> A few hands later, my partner opened 1nt in second seat, promising
|> 12-14 hcp (sometimes as few as 11), and i had to look twice on my cards
|> to believe what i saw. But it was true, i held
|> 
|>                     A, Axx, Atx, AKQJxx
|> 
|> Now i would have been able to learn some things about my partners
|> distribution (starting with 2d, forcing stayman) and locate some
|> high cards (later with keycard blackwood), but opponents would have
|> known also. Maybe i would have directed them to choose the right lead.
|> So I looked again in my bidding box, suspiciously, and then i
|> borrowed a 7nt card and lay it on the table.
|> 
|> This was the hand of my partner:
|> 
|>                     KQ, KJx, Qxxxx, xxx

You were unlucky.
Wastage in the spade suit would be hard to diagnose.
I would have always bid 7NT with your cards.

BTW, I probably would NOT have opened 1NT playing 11-14.
The hand has rotten texture and 8 losers.
From: turin@diku.dk (S|ren Turin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Two questions on 3-suiters
Keywords: 3-suiters
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:52:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen


Hi learned netters.

Sorry if this a repost, but we have had some problems with news lately.

The following hand came up last saturday and provoked a heated debate.
	S AKxxx
	H KJxx
	D -
	C AJxx 
  The bidding went 1S-1N (forcing). Do you now rebid 2C or 2H. I had
never considered this to be a problem always rebidding 2C, but the
ensuing discussion revealed that i was alone with that idea. No one was
able to give a remotely scientific explanation for bidding 2H, apart
from something along the lines of 'Get your major suits into the game'.
Not that i could muster a resonable defence for bidding 2C; '2C seems
more flexible'.
  So how do you bid this hand (and also 5440 and 5044 hands). Does it
depend on overall strength, and how about suit quality? The hand given
is a problem because it might make anything from a partscore to a grand
slam (give partner the following rockcrusher Qx-Ax-xxx-Kxxxxx. Yes,
occasionally the sun does shine). Does that change anything?
   In case you wanted to know, the bidding continued 2C-2N-3H-4H, the
normal contract, making 4.

  Now on to 4144/4054 hands. Do you rebid 2C after the sequence
1D-1H-1S-1N with either of these? If you do, you should have an agreement
about this situation; is it inviting partner to give false preference to 
2D with 23 in the minors. (My partner and i had not :-)


Regards Soren

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: bdsokolo@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Bernd Sokolowsky)
Subject: Was this bid ridiculous ?
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:08:59 GMT

Playing in a small team tournament (4 teams) for training purposes,
i came to the table and noticed, that there was no 7nt card in my
bidding box. I was sure it was some kind of omen, but was it a hint
or a warning ? Who could tell ? Anyways, ...

A few hands later, my partner opened 1nt in second seat, promising
12-14 hcp (sometimes as few as 11), and i had to look twice on my cards
to believe what i saw. But it was true, i held

                    A, Axx, Atx, AKQJxx

Now i would have been able to learn some things about my partners
distribution (starting with 2d, forcing stayman) and locate some
high cards (later with keycard blackwood), but opponents would have
known also. Maybe i would have directed them to choose the right lead.
So I looked again in my bidding box, suspiciously, and then i
borrowed a 7nt card and lay it on the table.

This was the hand of my partner:

                    KQ, KJx, Qxxxx, xxx

and even with heart queen onside, there was no chance for trick 13.

Our conclusion was, that the blame had to be divided. Partner, for
opening such a hand, and me for my quick bidding. Do you agree ? 

--- jigo.

P.S. Two hands later my partner had to borrow a 1c card, and another
     desaster began...
From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Michaels without a c(l)ue--assign the blame
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:00:21 GMT
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <1992Aug27.212602.9679@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson) writes:
:In article <BtKn5r.2vp@ais.org> Kevin Podsiadlik writes:
:
:* West                East
:* T 7                 A K Q J 8
:* 9 2                 K Q 8 7 5
:* 7 5 3               K
:* A K 9 7 4 2         6 5
:* 
:* Pass      (1D)      2D(1)
:* 3C                  Pass
:* 
:* (1) Michaels--weak or strong.
:* 
:* 3C overcame a 4-1 trump break, but the zero was still quite frigid.
:* The partnership is relatively new, if that is relevent.  Assess the blame.
:
:I think that East must complete the picture of his hand, somehow.
:
:Ideally, this would be a bid of 3D, but some would play
:that as a Western cue, asking for a diamond stopper.
 
Impossible. The re-cuebid always shows the strong variety of Michaels.
If you don't know this, you probably shouldn't be playing Michaels.

:If this is a new partnership, this sequence probably hasn't been discussed.
 
I would take it as assumed if they agree to play Michaels. Either that or
they really don't understand Michaels.

:If East thinks that 3D will not be interpreted correctly,
:East should bid 3H, offering West a choice.
 
No! No!  After Michaels, rebidding or raising one of your implied suits
shows a weak hand with extra SHAPE, not extra strength. 3H would show
at least a weak 6-5 with hearts as good or better than spades.

:The next question is, if 3H shows a strong Michaels,
 
It does not.

The *** real *** problem with this hand is that East has a hand that
does not qualify for Michaels. The stiff K should be treated as a
small stiff, giving East an *intermediate* hand that is neither weak
nor very strong. On such hands you overcall in spades then bid hearts.
You do not bid Michaels. That is what split-range Michaels is all
about.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"