From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.space
Subject: Re: ALTERNATIVE Comet Rendezvous Mission
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:13:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Here we go again....

In article <1992Sep29.185945.1422@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
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-                      ALTERNATIVE Comet Rendezvous Mission
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-               The two proposed NASA comet rendezvous and sample return 
-          missions are expected to cost BILLIONS of dollars, take 
-          nearly 20 years from now to complete, and could FAIL in 
-          DOZENS of ways! 
I wonder, Mr. McElwaine, if you could list two dozen possible failures for 
NASA's mission. Also, direct us to information on the funding for the probes.
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-               Therefore, I believe that NASA, the United States, and 
-          the project scientists and engineers, should all SWALLOW 
-          THEIR PRIDE and ask the Russians for help.  The Russians have 
-          some equipment that could complete a MANNED comet rendezvous 
-          and sample return mission, ROUND TRIP, in a matter of only a 
-          couple of MONTHS!  In spite of their economic and political 
Can they rendezvous and attack the driven planetoid? Those Grays must be halted 
before they reach the planet. Check out alt.alien.visitors for details. If it
is there it *must* be true ;>.
-          problems, they are FAR AHEAD in space, militarily and 
-          scientifically. 
<snicker>, Yeah right.
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-   [source: Ex-CIA lawyer (Sounds reputable. NOT) discovers dastardly plots 
     film at <censored. Go back to your jobs>]
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-               The Russians have spacecraft called "COSMOSPHERES", 
-          which were originally built and used for "Star Wars" defense.  
-          They are spherical in shape, INvisible to radar beyond about 
-          50 miles away, atomic-powered [possibly Migma fUsion], 
-          electro-gravitic (can hover against gravity), and equipped 
I thought they used flubber. Or are you really talking about the standard
levitation device in hard science fiction called the grav pod? Check the
ST:TNG Technical Manual for some details. :)
-          with "Psycho-energetic Range Finding" (PRF) which tunes-in to 
-          the actual atomic signature of an object or target. 
So! You ARE a japanimation fan! I bet you watch a lot of Mobile Suit Gundam
episodes.
-          
-               The 3rd-generation JUMBO Cosmospheres occupy more volume 
-          than the Hindenburg blimp, and are ELECTRO-MAGNETICALLY 
-          PROPELLED (can accelerate continuously and rapidly, and make 
-          it to Saturn in three WEEKS!).  [Many of them are armed with 
What acceleration is that? Can you give it in m/s^2, please? Just so other
physicists can check your math.
-          charged-particle beam weapons, neutron beam weapons, and/or 
-          microwave brain-scrambling equipment!] 
Big deal. We have the Improbability Field!
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-               I would not be surprised if the Russians have already 
-          COMPLETED a comet rendezvous and sample return mission and 
-          have data and samples to share. 
You lack vision. If they had such a drive system they'd have colonies on Mars
and would be mining the Asteroid belt for resources. As well as fighting the
driven planetoid :). They would have had such military superiority that they 
would have won the Cold War probably, not us. Things to consider. It's called
extrapolation, look into it.
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-          AIR BOOMS, 1977-78
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-               I wish to add that the 1st-generation COSMOSPHERES were 
-          deployed beginning in the Fall of 1977.  In late 1977 and 
-          early 1978, there was a strange rash of giant AIR BOOMS along 
-          the East Coast of the U.S and elsewhere.  The AIR BOOMS were 
-          never satifactorily explained, by either the government or 
-          news media.  They could NOT be positively identified with any 
-          particular SST or other aircraft, and indeed were much louder 
-          than aircraft sonic booms. 
It was probably *our* secret project: Archangel-class cruisers launching on 
emergency alert. The booms were the Orion pulse drives going at full thrust.
I would suggest that they were going to battle against your Cosmospheres. I
give as much evidence for their existence as you give for these items:     .
Pretty thorough, eh?
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-               The giant AIR BOOMS were actually caused by Russia 
-          COSMOSPHERES firing CHARGED-PARTICLE BEAMS down into the 
-          atmosphere in a DE-focused mode (spread out) for the purpose 
-          of announcing their presence to the WAR-MONGERS in the U.S. 
-          Pentagon. 
Oh gee, that makes sense. The Russians, who apparently had such great 
superiority in space, with this huge arsenal in orbit and on the moon (this
is from an earlier post of yours) and they are so *afraid* of the Pentagon
that they commited such hostile acts towards us? They most likely would have 
given us a surrender ultimatum if their position was so superior. They would
at least demanded favorable technology exchanges for themselves.
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-               The 3rd-generation JUMBO COSMOSPHERES were first 
-          deployed in April 1981, in parallel with the first U.S. Space 
-          Shuttle Mission.  They significantly INTERFERED with that 
-          mission, in ways which were successfully COVERED-UP by NASA 
-          using techniques similar to those shown in the movie 
-          "Capricorn I". 
The same techniques done to fake the Apollo missions? NOT! 
Hollywood FX were not that great and are only becoming more realistic today.
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-          CREDIBILITY of Dr. Beter
Do we really want to go through with this?
I'll just go through the good parts.

[Deleting claims of Israeli conspiracies in the Mid East.]
 
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-               Dr. Beter predicted what he called the "RETIREMENT" of 
-          Leonid Brezhnev ONE WEEK BEFORE Brezhnev "died".  [Note that 
-          the word "retirement" was used for the TERMINATION OF 
-          REPLICANTS in the 1982 movie "Blade Runner".]  He also 
What is the point of bringing in a sci-fi movie? Is this relevant? Other than
most of this being science fiction, that is.
-    
-               [I KNOW that we are all supposed to LAUGH at the word 
-          "conspiracy".  That is what the various government, military, 
-          political, media, banking, and corporate CONSPIRATORS have 
-          successfully PROGRAMMED most of us to do. ] 
This part really ticked me off when I first read it. It still ticks me off so:

PLASMA BEAM...... ON!!! <VRAP>

Allright, I've had it. I thought he read my original response to this article
but apparently he does not deign to listen to criticism of his views (or even
read this newsgroup, for that matter.) This is probably because of the above
claim. You know what I hate about this claim? There is no real way to refute
it in the mind of the conspiracy theorist who makes such a claim. Why? Simple.
Since we are all supposed to be "programmed", any attempt to refute such a 
claim means that you are merely following your carefully crafted control 
program. The only solution is to simply ignore the silly cuss who makes such
claims but that is not always easy. I can't because it insults my intelligence
and tells me I can't possibly think on my own. I hate that. I also wonder
how McElwaine avoided or overrode his programming. Probably had a CPU that was
incapable of reading,writing or executing the program. Get a life and find
better evidence of a conspiracy than "everyone but me and my believers are 
mindless zombies under control of the conspirators." Got it?

PLASMA BEAM....... OFF!! <hummm...>

I'm not going to bother with the rest of it.

You don't have to applaud.
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-               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
-          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
Sorry, it's hard to resist flaming this kind of posting.
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-                                   Robert E. McElwaine
-                                   B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
As others have noted, the "bs" here has nothing to do with science or 
unmarried men.


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Future Lunar Colonist      |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
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