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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 13:51:19 EDT
From: Troy D. Veilleux <VEILLEUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ANYBODY INTO 64-73 MUSCLECARS??
 <f5-n_t_@dixie.com> <5500@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>

In article <5500@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rlwst8+@pitt.edu (Robert L Williamson)
says:
>
>I agree with you.  Most people have forgotten about thegreat muscle car
>era.  I thought all of the sixties and early seventies cars were pieces
>of junk until I bought a '71 Mustang and started to work on it.  It still
>does not look all to great but the feeling of a nice V-8 is incomparable
>to the new four cylinders and six cylinders, no matter what you do to them!
>(By the way Chevys don't rule!)
>
>
>                                Rob
Rob,
    Your 100% correct, Chevys don't rule, Mopars do!
                                       Troy Veilleux
                                       69' 440 GTX owner
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jd@sequent.com (Jim Duckering)
Subject: TURBO how does it work??
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:50:19 GMT



Is the turbo always spinning or does it only start to spin
when the throttle is kicked in.  If you are easy on the gas
do you still need to worry about warm up and coll down of the
turbo.

Thanks,
Jim

From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:49:18 GMT
Subject: Re: I HATE MY DODGE
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, Janviere S Thuman <jt3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 
> I have  a problem that has been occuring for over 4 years with my 1988
> Dodge Daytona.(I bought the car new when I was 16 years old)
> 
> I am furious. I have had it. I am taking my car to my independent garage
> that will do the work and wararnty it for two years!It's going to cost
> my a cool 1-200 dollars.
> 
	Shellie, get rid of that lemon.  I call it that using the full
	definition of lemon.  A car or truck which has persistant problems.
	All car companies have them in their endless fleet of products.
	The only known cure, is to PUNT!  get rid of it.  Trade it, sell it,
	trash it, do anything but keep it.  You will only have problems 
	as long as you keep it.  
	Anyone who can afford a car like this should be able to get something
	better, and with luck not a real lemon as yours seems to be.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Subject: Re: Recycling Used Motor Oil in New Jersey
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:41:04 GMT


You might call the EPA.  They are involved with this issue, since they
categorize waste oil as a hazardous material.  I called them once,
and found them to be very helpful and informative.

Environmental Protection Agency (800)759-4372.

	Randy Marks

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: Ka Wideband - too much false alarms
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:21:08 GMT

I recently purchased a radar detector with the Ka wideband
feature.  The Ka band covers the 34.700 plus/minus 520 MHz band.

The radar was going off on the Ka band alert 9 out of 10 times
I was passing a truck.  I found this annoying so I decided to call
manufacturer.  It seems that wideband scans through so many 
different bands that ends up picking up interference from cellular
phones and other radar detectors.  However, it should not be 
affected by CB radios which I thought was the cause of interference
from trucks.  Do truck drivers use radar detectors ?

In summary, the Ka wideband experience was an annoying one and I
ended up ignoring the Ka alert signal.  The other bands worked very
well.

I also have a cellular phone so I proved that it makes the radar detector
go off when I use it.  I guess the police made a good choice of 
frequency since they can disguise their guns much easier now.

Has anybody had experiences with the Ka wideband radar detectors ?

-- 
Ramiro Reinoso, 444 Hoes Lane, Office RRC-1E-226. Piscataway, NJ 08854
(PHONE) (908) 699-5021  
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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 92' LEGEND UPGRADES.
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

 david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
-> Along a different vein, does anyone know of a chip for Acuras?
-> Specifically a '92 Legend.  Also, has anyone seen aftermarket
-> performance and/or appearance items for the new body style ('91-'92)?

  Yes, Dinan Engineering in Mountain View, CA has performance chips for
the 91' and up Legends.  Kaminari also just came out for the body kits
for the 91' and up Legends.  They are available for both the coupes and
the sedans.  I've seen the pictures of the Legends and they look
awesome!!  They cost $1,595.00 or $1,795.00 for the whole kit which
includes rear wing, rear valence, side skirts, and front spoiler.  These
prices don't include painting or installation.  I think Acura also makes
an aero kit for the Legend.


Erich Lim
                                                                                                       
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: smith@ug.cs.dal.ca (Sean Smith)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for old pickup?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:08:35 GMT

In article <18tmk4INNgcb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm) writes:
>
>Drop back to the late '60's!
>
>The '70's trucks had terrible rusting problems!
>
>Jeff
>Who owned a rusty 1976 Econoline E250, despite wax, work and
>touchups!

	I'm not so sure about that...

	My father just bought a '75 Chev Silverado with a 350 that had *very*
little rust.  And winters in this area tend to be *bad* for causing rust.

	Sean

-- 
Sean Smith - Dalhousie University               Bill and Opus in '92 in the US!
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada                    Don Cherry for Prime Minister in
01SSMITH@AC.DAL.CA or smith@ug.cs.dal.ca	'93 in Canada!
Disclaimer:  These ideas are mine...ALL MINE!!  'Cause noone else'd want 'em.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: clarkg@kepler.ME.ORST.EDU (Garrett Clark)
Subject: Re: Porsche 928
Organization: Oregon State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:49:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.021322.27314@athena.mit.edu> aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt) writes:
>I'm contemplating the purchase of a '79 928, 60K mi, and seemingly in great
>condition.  I'd apprecate it if anyone who's owned this car, or a 928 in
>general, would let me know what I might look out for.  I'd be very happy to
>hear about any positive or negative experiences anyone has had with the car.
>Thanks!
I had a friend with an early 928S.  He bought it used, with similar mileage.
It was a great car, but it had some electricl problems (security system, power
windows, locks).  He quickly found out that the 928 is _very_ expensive to
repair.

If you can afford the maintenance, go for it.  Instead of living in constant
terror of a breakdown, my friend traded his for a new Nissan Sentra SE-R.

Garrett


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: curtiss@burn.colorado.edu (Brian Curtiss)
Subject: Re: Spaces at an angle...
Summary: I couldn't be mute after he made yet another moot point... 
Organization: NOT the English Dept., Univ. of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:30:10 GMT

In article <BuBKKn.7BF@wpi.WPI.EDU> beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
> [stuff deleted]
> 
>if they account for the angle then the question is if they over compenstated
>then the angled spot may be larger then the straight one....
>
>I guess it is a mute point by now......
                 ^^^^
For those of us without speech synthesizers to read us our 
net news, pretty much every point made in these discussions 
is mute.

I guess I'm just feeling abusive today.
From: sldz4@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Radio picks up noise from car
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:43:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

How about spark plugs.
Unregistered spark plug makes noise to car audio system.
From: v069pff7@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snake-Eyes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Hyndai Excel
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <joso.716563026@vega>, joso@vega.math.ualberta.ca (Joseph_So) writes...
> 
>It seems to me that the Excel (all years) was on the used car
>to avoid list in the 91 Consumer Report buying's guide. But
>I don't have the book with me right now.

I looked at the 1990 consuper reports list of used cars to avoid and saw the
excel, although the honda civic was not there...
-joel
From: dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (douglas.p.linden)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Help solve electrical problem in my car !!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:59:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep8.222121.29049@exu.ericsson.se>, ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se writes:
> In article 715983340@Ra.MsState.Edu, mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
> >
> >
> > Hello World,
> >	     I have a Nissan 2000SX that wouldn't start due to an electrical
> > failure. All the electrical systems seem to work fine in the beginning.
> > Battery is fine too. As long as the ignition is in 'ON' position everything
> > is fine. But as soon as I turn the key to crank it up everything goes down
> > and comes back after few minutes. 
> >
> > There is no sound of ANYTHING. It just dies.
> >
> >
> > Maybe the solution is too obvious. A missing wire maybe ?  Any ideas ?
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated 
> 
> It could be as simple as oxide build-up on your battery. Clean both
> connectors, add a little ptroleum jelly (Vaseline) and try again. 
> 
Another possible cause could be an internal short in the battery.  I
had this happen to me once.  The battery would power low current item
(i.e. lights, horn, etc), but when it came time to supply 100+Amps to
the starter...nothing.  Trying to jump start it proved useless.  a 
test of the battery revealed that at 30Amps the battery shorted out.
From: hugo@bluehau.bubble.org (Hugo Bueno)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Recycling Used Motor Oil in New Jersey
Keywords: oil in NJ
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:50:58 GMT
Organization: The Blue House

sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) says:
]I change the oil in my car and my wife's car myself.  I do it about
]every 3,000 miles (roughly 4 times/year).  I end up with 2 gallons
]of used, but recyclable, motor oil.  My local service stations want
]to charge me a dollar or two to "accept" my used oil for recycling.
]So does the gas station near work where I fill up about once a week
](at ~$13.00 a pop).  I find this OUTRAGEOUS!  I accept the fact that
]these service stations may be charged a fee by the recycler, but the
]used oil HAS A VALUE.  I don't know how much of this value the service
]station gets back (I'm sure the recyler takes a cut), but I do know
]that I (the supplier of the raw material) don't get ANYTHING back.
]
]Does anyone know what the laws are in NJ regarding service stations
]accepting used oil for recylcing?  I'm sure there are statues against
]the improper disposal of used oil by a service station (such as dumping
]in the storm sewer).  Can anyone cite them for me?  Obviously, I'd like
]to discover that the State REQUIRES service stations to accept used
]oil for recycling and are not allowed to charge a fee.  Is this true or
]false?
]
stuff deleted...

Unfortunately, I can't cite any specific laws. I CAN tell you
about how I get read of my used oil, though.  Fanwood (my town)
has a drive through recycling center that's open on Wednesdays
and Saturdays.  Among other things, they accept used motor
oil.  I just drive over, empty the oil in their tank (for free)
and drive away.

I think that service stations ARE allowed to charge for
accepting used oil. However, I don't know if there's a state
imposed cap on how much they can charge.

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From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ANGLED LINES YIELDING SMALLER SPACES???
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:45:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:

>This may be obviously wrong but here goes anyway....
>I TOTALLY DISAGREE THAT ANGLED SPACES ARE narrower than
>straight ones...

>A picture is worth a thousand words.....

> ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
>|    |    |    |    |    |
>|    |    |    |    |    |
>|    |    |    |    |    |
>|    |    |    |    |    |


>is the same thickness as an angled set

> ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
>\    \    \    \    \    \
> \    \    \    \    \    \
>  \    \    \    \    \    \
>   \    \    \    \    \    \

>CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT In both cases the width
>of any one spot is 4 characters..... so the narrowness is not changed by angling the spots...

>because last time I checked 4 was equal to 4....
>If that changed let me know quick (my bank statement came in yesterday...!!!!)
Better get a bankruptcy lawyer...

It's more obvious if you take it to an extreme...angle the spaces
from the 70 degrees or so that you drew here to 10 degrees or so.
The spaces most definitely do get narrower.
-- 
David Basiji 
"C neophyte, Bioengineering Grad Student, Internet Personality"

email: basiji@u.washington.edu          
NeXTmail: basiji@larry.pathology.washington.edu

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            --Stuart Smalley
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: yerazunis@cthulu.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Want real info on 'Stalker' radar.
Organization: Turing Police
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:22:03 GMT


In article <51300037@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, glaird@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Laird) writes...
>    Okay, from those of you who really know.  What is 'stalker' radar?
>Is it used in a specific localized setting such as photoradar?  Or, is it
>a replacement for the more general and long distance units currently being
>operated on K and previously X bands?  

"Stalker" radar is basically a radar gun that is field-tunable to anywhere
in the 1 GHz band starting at the bottom of the "photo" band (34.mumble GHz, I 
think) and goes up a full GHz.  This is about three times more spectrum
than X, K, and Ka(photo) band all put together.

The idea was that with a full GHz of spectrum to analyze, no radar detector
could detect it.

It turns out that it's actually quite easy to detect, provided you are looking
for it.  It has the normal "hazards" of instant-on

	1) not much reaction time
	2) causes cancer in the police officer (viz. Conneticut's
		ban on handheld units)

	-Bill

Copyright 1992 William S. Yerazunis (aka Crah the Merciless)
All rights reserved, no responsibility taken.

     "That's a good idea, Jim, but syrup won't stop 'em."
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:27:54 GMT
Distribution: na


 
>>|> Someone posted the cars/types of driver to avoid parking next to 
>>|> in order to protect your car from dings
>>|> 1. Any dirty old clunker
>>|> 2. Yuppies who treat their cars like appliance, change cars
>>|>    every so often, and don't care about yours
>>|> May I add
>>|> 3. Cars with rental sticker on it -> It happened to mine :(
>>|> 


	This is a serious problem where I live.  I wouldn't care if it made the
car look bad (unless it was a car I REALLY liked (like my 1974 VW Superbeetle
which is gone now.)

	BUT, there is another problem.  As soon as the paint gets stripped off
by these bastards the automobiles version of cancer (that is to say rust) sets
in.

	And not everybody who can afford to drive and own a car can afford to 
get a brand spanking new one each year.

	AS a matter of fact, some of us would LOVE to keep are old, reliable 
cars (like a 1974 VW Superbeetle) but between the other idiots out there who
don't know how to drive, or don't care to drive when they are NOT on drugs or
alcohol (that is to say automobile accidents, sometimes deaths) and the 
insurance agencies who DON'T WANT YOU TO KEEP THE SAME CAR, it is nearly 
impossible to try and do this anymore.

	In my book, car dings are a severe problem, BUT only part of an even
BIGGER one.

	FACT: each year in America the population of a mid-sized city 
about 50,000 die in automobile accidents.

			Kyle

be careful out there
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SHO Engine for Probe
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Sep14.162747.23225@ctp.com>, bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
> SHO upgraded?  How?  (Let me guess... a chip, right?)  You can't do anything
> to an SHO to upgrade it.  How many aftermarket intakes can you get for the
> SHO?  Zip...  You know why?  Because it's already upgraded as far as it'll 
go!
> Can you get 2 1/2" exhaust for the SHO?  Nope!  Nobody makes it.  There just
> isn't any way to seriously upgrade the car, because it's already upgraded as
> far as it's going to go.  That's why it can compete with a stock 5.0.  Add a
> nice intake to the 5.0, like the GT40 intake upgrade, then see what happens!
> The whole idea of Mustangs is that you can upgrade it and go nuts or leave 
it
> alone and have a very reliable car, and quick car.
> I don't know what that crack about HAVING to see the mechanic was about, 
> either.  Mustangs can be very reliable if you don't beat on them, and you 
can 
> do your own maintainance on them.  Can you do your own maintainance on a 
SHO 
> as easily as a 5.0?  Not a chance...  
> BTW, I've yet to hear about a Mustang service bullitin on the net, while 
I've
> heard alot about the clutch on SHOs...  Is that reliability?
> Sorry to be so harsh, but I hate people putting down 5.0s because they're 
> simple.  If something works, you stick with it, which is why the probe never
> replaced the Mustang in the first place!

Hi there.  I like Mustangs, and I own a SHO.  You are confused about
SHOs.

	1. I can upgrade the SHO engine.  One option is a new chip.  It
		increases Horsepower and torque. ~25HP

	2. I can upgrade the Mass air-flow sensor to increase torque. ~12 HP

	3. I can also add a high speed low weight pulley set which allows the
		SHO to pull 11,500 rpm. God only knows what this would do...

	4. The Borla stainless steel dual exhaust is available for the SHO 
		and i don't know how wide in diameter it is, but then 2.5" may
		not be appropriate for a 3 litre engine. ~38 HP

	5. High p[erformance air filter. ~5 Hp

I mean really.  Don't jump on us SHO owners.  We all drive Fords and
you guys with Mustangs ought to be worried about catching up with the
guys with Z-28s and Firebirds.  Why pick on a 5-passenger family car?

The SHO is not designed for boulevard stoplight racing. It is more a
high speed endurance car intended to go a long distance comfortably
at very high speed, something your Mustang is not designed for.  We
should be competing with BMWs and the like, not little cars like
Mustangs.

As for the reliability of SHOs or Mustangs, they are both F O R D.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mvelasco@fraser.sfu.ca (Matthew Velasco)
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:36:10 GMT

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>In article <CARL.92Sep8173044@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>>I take 100% exception to that statement.  I would much rather be in a
>>600SEL during a real bad accident than a Ford Tempo (or any other much
>>smaller car for that matter).

>True. But you have to balance the emotional damage done to the Benz
>owner when he/she finds out (after being pulled out of the wreck) that
>his 'baby' was damaged with the physical damage that would result if
>he/she weren't driving the Benz after all...

One has to weigh both emotional and physical damage to oneself.  Which is 
really more important... emotion or one's life?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nagel@Cigna.COM (Mark Nagel)
Subject: Re: Saturn Mailing LIst
Organization: CIGNA FIRST, Irvine, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:30:33 GMT

In <1992Sep11.151533.10548@schbbs.mot.com> RXPR80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Richard Spilo) writes:

>Where's the Saturn Mailing list?  How do I get on it?

Send a request to saturn-request@oar.net.

Mark
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car insurance.
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:06:20 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <1992Sep14.144734.10945@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.150335.5378@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
>>
>>	People say that insurance companies consider all 2-door cars as sports cars
>>	and charge more insurance fees on them. Is that true? Even if I buy a
>>	2-door Toyota Celica, is that a "sports cars"?
>
>nope, a celica is not a sports car...it is s...l..o..w..and overpriced.

Not all 2-door coupes are "sports cars" to all insurance companies. I
had a '72 6-cylinder Mustang 2 door, which wasn't considered a sports
car. Heck, I don't even think my '91 Mustang with a V8 is considered a
"sports car" - the policy says nothing about it anywhere. Perhaps since
mine doesn't say "GT" in the name (it says "LX" instead) I end up having
my power without the price. ;-)
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:10:36 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <780227@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>If I park next to someone whom I believe may key my car or ding it, I
>write down their license plate number when I park.  That way, even if they
>take off I can still report it...
>
>Wes Fujii

How would you prove the person actually did it? dented doors can be
cleaned, keys :-) can be cleaned, and in general, no case.

Spiros
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