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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Just in case!
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:52:34 GMT


In a previous article, z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu () says:

>Hey I just got a job in a music/video store and found out that I can get ALL
>the movie titles that Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill were in.  I can find out
>just about anything anyone needs me to (ie.  addresses to video and music
>companies).  Does anyone want me to post all of Carrie's and Mark's movie 
>credits (so people will stop inquiring on what they've been doing since ROTJ)
>or maybe even the address to (aargh!!) Polydor Records or anything at all?
>Let me know via e-mail or post!

Definitely post it, and CHRIS, definitely put it in the FAQ!

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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Matte paintings (Falcon at Cloud City) -- NOT!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 18:17:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.165511.21699@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>

>>BTW, does anybody know how complete is the full-size model of the Falcon?
>>Seems like ANH only showed the front right (starboard?) section, but
>>my eyes may have decieved me there. 
>
>I think that that was about it.  You'll notice that it's this same side
>that you see in ESB.  Yes, I was under the impression that that was the
>real one too.  Pretty sure, in fact.

I'm not completely sure about this, but I thought I had some collector book
for ESB and I saw a photo of construction workers putting together the top
rear (the part with all the big black circles) of the full-size Falcon.  Did
anybody else see this?



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From: jfol@carina.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Subject: Re: Wondering about Splinter of...
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:35:24 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <71124@apple.Apple.COM> talcott@Apple.COM (Adam Talcott) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.234949.548@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>What exactly did they do in torturing Leia,
>>during ANH, on the Death Star?  Is there a standard torture procedure that the
>>Imperials follow or is it whatever torture comes to their twisted minds next?
>
>There is an interesting scene in the Star Wars radio series detailing Vader's
>psychological torture of Leia.  Since it's been many years since I've listened
>to it, I don't remember all the details of the scene, but I'll try to describe
>what I remember (it is perhaps the most intense scene in the series.)
>
>The torture robot (with the needle) that we see entering Leia's cell in
>"Star Wars" is used to inject Leia with some sort of drug that forces her to
>experience whatever physical or mental pain Vader describes.  For example,
>towards the end of the scene, Vader tells Leia that her body is being consumed
>by fire and Leia actually feels pain consistent with this.
>
>I don't remember any of the details, but the bottom line is that it was a
>psychological torture much different from what Han went through on Cloud City.
>Of course, I'm sure Lando didn't have a torture robot hanging around, so Vader
>had to improvise.

   If you remember, they weren't torturing Han, they were just
tuning the equipment. While this caused Han profound physical pain,
it was incidental, though just as evil.

   I'm glad you brought up that radio show thing, it's much
more pleasant than what I was imagining %ZZ.

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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: little known movie
Keywords: ROTJ, Owen Ben
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:00:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Just being curious, exactly where in Return of the Jedi is it made clear that
Owen and Ben brothers?  I can't even recall Owen and Beru being referred to
anywhere after ANH.  The closest would be when Luke speaks of being born on
Tatooine and Han tells him that since he'll die here too, it's pretty 
convenient.  But I don't remember Uncle Owen.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:34:54 GMT

In article <mumble> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>
>As far as I'm concerned, after Fett brought the Han-sicle to Jabba, he left
>for other jobs. What we saw in Jedi was a Boba wannabe. The real Fett could
>not have died that pitifully.

Does Fett say anything in RotJ?  Does anyone other than our heroes
call him by name?  If not, then we don't have any actual proof that it
was Boba Fett and it could have just been some bozo in the same kind
of uniform!



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From: earharta@sdsc.edu (Alan Earhart)
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Subject: The name "Skywalker"
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:17:13 GMT
Reply-To: earharta@sdsc.edu
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @UCSD.
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I have seen a lot of discussion about how Luke's last name should
have been changed in order to hide him better.

Isn't it possible that the last name "Skywalker" then could have
been as common as, umm...... "Smith" is now ( no offense to any
Smith's ).

So, if my 'evil' papa was named Fred Smith, I could have remained
Alan Smith and still been kept hidden fairly easily.  Also, move this
from a single planet scale to a galactic scale and this becomes a trivial
matter.

If this has been mentioned before and I missed it, well..., nevermind!

Alan
earharta@sdsc.edu
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:45:54 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The name "Skywalker"

In article <16e1u9INN83r@network.ucsd.edu>, earharta@sdsc.edu (Alan Earhart)
says:
>
>I have seen a lot of discussion about how Luke's last name should
>have been changed in order to hide him better.
>
>Isn't it possible that the last name "Skywalker" then could have
>been as common as, umm...... "Smith" is now ( no offense to any
>Smith's ).
>
>So, if my 'evil' papa was named Fred Smith, I could have remained
>Alan Smith and still been kept hidden fairly easily.  Also, move this
>from a single planet scale to a galactic scale and this becomes a trivial
>matter.

Well, this is sort of like why Saddam Hussein (which is not his original name)
picked the name Hussein when he was a little fish (he's only slightly bigger
now...).  In Iraq, it's a common name...it doesn't sound common to us does it?
So why should 'Skywalker'?  Maybe because it doesn't have enough xxx's and odd
letter combinations?

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: The Star Wars that could have been
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:46:24 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Aug 92 07:54:58 GMT, ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman) said:

ipc> In article 92Aug18181946@wpi.WPI.EDU, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott
ipc> Streeter) writes:

>tlg4> Then there was definitely a plot change, since Luke was never
>ON tlg4> the Blockade runner.  Are you sure it's not the Death Star?
>
>The caption under the picture specifically states aboard the Rebel 
>Blockade Runner. 

ipc> But then, in the ESB novel, the photo of the Imperial Probe Droid
ipc> is captioned "An Imperial Walker", and a picture of Han on a
ipc> Tauntaun is captioned "Luke Skywalker" :-)

ipc> Even well researched books have typsetting errors in the
ipc> captions. I have seen military reference books which have
ipc> pictures of Russian Cruisers Captioned as US Cruisers and vice
ipc> versa.

ipc> This, however has no bearing on the discussion in progress!

Ok. This is not a book. It is a portfoli. They are 21 conceptual
paintings on high gloss paper with a caption at the bottom of each.
These are early perliminary painting based on very early plot designs.
But the point is that the plot was extremly different at one time,
which is the point I was try to put across. If these early ideas had
stayed the Star Wars we know now would never have existed.
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From: is430a13@umbc5.umbc.edu (is430a13)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:36:07 GMT


>Is there any hard facts that the next movies will deal with Ben and Adakin?
>As I recall, George Lucas mentioned that the only characters in all 9 movies
>would be the droids.  
>

I think Lucas was referring more to the actors than the character.. ie of
course Obi Wan and Anakin Skywalker will be recast with new actors. I also
heard that the first three movies were supposed to concern Anakin Skywaler,
Obi Wan and the old republic, including the clone wars. I think its the last
three movies that are supposed to feature entirely new characters (not
counting 3po and r2d2 who are in all nine movies).


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From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:30:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars

	
	The AHN Falcon was not fully built....  it was only a partial
	section (which is why we always see it from basically the
	same angle).

	The Falcon was rebuilt for TESB and then used again in ROJ.

	That's my understanding of it at least....

	As as far at the ANH X and Y wings....   most were "cardboard
	cutouts" placed in the distance (in the Rebel hangar) there
	were only one or two "true" vehicles of each type built.

	-Mike-
From: kfoss%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Kevin Foss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:22:39 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>   R2 and C3PO in the first three episodes are property of Captain Antilles,
> whoin Episode III will give them to Ben who in turn gives them to Lady
> Skywalker to watch out for Leia.
 
Doesn't this contradict the scenes in Star Wars, where C-3PO remarks that 
their last master was captain Antilles, not Lady Skywalker.  And Ben's
denial of owning any droids. 
 
And it seem Leia might have added somebetter than "I've enclosed the
plans in this R2 droid", if they both [Leia and Ben] knew him before, he
from ownership, she from having them watch over.   Also C-3PO, if he was
meant to watch over her, might have came up with something better 'A 
princess I think' {paraphrased}, when Luke asks about her identity.
 
-Kevin 
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:13:06 GMT

In article <5aw1020p1eh.01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>In article <92230.133524U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> U51115@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

I'm not sure ir anyone is interested or if it has been discussed, but in
the Star Wars comic put out by Dark Horse Comics, Bobba Fett was still
alive.

I believe it was in issue #3 of Dark Empire (really good BTW) and Han
and Leia are returning to an old hidout of Han's. They enter through the
door and Han's robot servant (pretty run down at that) greets him and
informs him that a "Mr. Fett to see you sir"

Needless to say, Han bolts from there. The next issue invilves Han and
Leia being chased by Bobba Fett. No explination as to how he survived is
given, however.

Dark Empire is really enjoyable, even though it only comes out every 2
months. I'm sure it has been discussed before, but since I'm new here I
haven't seen it discussed. The series is far better than some of the
issues that I've read from Marvel. If you want to read it, find it fast
or wait for reprints because prices are going up fast.

Also, Dark Horse is reprinting the Star Wars comic strips that ran in
the early 80's. It's called Classic Star Wars. It should be out in a
couple of weeks.

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: R2, 3P0 and the New movies (was: re:New Star Wars Movies?)
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug13.010110.569
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


[LOTS of stuff deleted]

Lucas has been telling the story from the point of view of the droids,
according to many interviews, and for the most part, it is visible, witht
the hijinks that goes on.  The Star Wars stories (and I mean all of them)
are supposed to be stories that are being "told" instead of happening at
the moment we see them...

Dave
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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.222716.17329@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>
>In a previous article, darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy) says:
>>
>>My friend and I were just wondering who would in a fight, Darth Vader
>>or Boba Fett.  Also, why do you think that Darth/Boba would win?
>
>Vader would just "strangle" him and that would be the end of it.
>             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu

 I agree, Vader would strangle him. Fett couldn't shoot him, if you
 remember what happen in ESB to Han when he tried it. I don't think Fett
 would try any hand to hand combat with Vader...especailly knowing that
 he could be split open by a lightsaber any second. He would just get
 strangled to death. I can see it Now......

 FETT: Compensation?? Solo is useless to me dead, should he die...you
       die. Jabba will *gag*.
 Vader: I find you lack of faith.....*disturbing*....You will no longer
	have to worry about Jabba, I will talk to him myself.
	( Vader turns and walks away..Fett falls lifelessly to the
	   ground with his own hands still clutching his broken neck)

            
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Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 13:36:39 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
 <5aw1020p1eh.01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>

     Fett is speculated to be one of the Mandalorian Knights that the
Jedi hunted down and destroied in the clone wars.  There may be some
who slipped by and escaped.  The impression that Vader left when speaking
with him,  lead me to believe that this was true.  I also felt that Fett
Died stupidly because if he's supposed to be one of the survivors,  then
he should have faught Full-Fledged Jedis before,  and came out.  You've
got to admire a guy who walks around with Wookie scalps on his armor. As
far as escaping the sarlac goes,  His armor had Full Life support,  and
could probably protect him from the digestive juices for a little while.
He probably climbed up,  and then flew out. (if it was him in the first
place)
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:44:20 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Hiding a Skywalker on Tatooine.
 <1992Aug18.082606.3484@zoo.bt.co.uk> <1992Aug19.024209.11091@ll.mit.edu>

In article <1992Aug19.024209.11091@ll.mit.edu>, shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel
Shoham) says:
>
>Ben     - Behind the scenes, motivating the rebel alliance to keep pressure
>          on the Emperor (the princess and her father are instrumental in this
>          play). Ben knows about Luke, (and the princess). In fact, Ben choice
>          of home so close to Luke is no coincidence either, he needs to keep
>          close look on this fella, and be on hand in an emergency. Be may "be
>          getting too old for this kind of stuff", but power games are just
>too
>          addictive to give up. Ben still dreams of confronting Vader directly
>          and converting him to his cause (as a stepping stone toward toppling
>          the Emperor), but he knows that the only realistic chance he got is
>          to grab Luke and train him himself ahead of Vader.

The problem I have with the Empire not knowing about Kenobi's existence is that
Leia's blockade runner was purposely flying past Tatooine with the knowledge
that Kenobi was there.  Leia was possibly going to meet with him or just drop
off the droids as they did anyway.  So if Leia knew about his whereabouts, it
stands to reason that a lot more people also did.  She was only about 20, after
all.  Who else could have known?  Was it in the Imperial Senate's data banks?
Most likely not, but where, besides being told from rebel to rebel, which
would probably be nothing more than hopeful rumors and legends?

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From: rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Satish_Bhatti)
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:04:10 GMT
Organization: MCI

In article <1992Aug10.231911.1671@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>I watched ESB just a few days ago and I was wondering something.  When
>they're about to freeze Han in carbonite, Chewie starts throwing stormtroopers
>all over the place.  Boba Fett raises his blaster as if to fry him but 
>Vader stops him.  Any opinions as to why?  (Besides the fact that they want to
>keep Chewie alive for the rest of the trilogy.)
>

Vader doesn't want his "bait" for Luke damaged.

-Bob


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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Who's Tougher
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Who Would Win?
Keywords: fun to be with, nice eyes, great with kids, etc...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:20:48 GMT


My friend and I were just wondering who would in a fight, Darth Vader
or Boba Fett.  Also, why do you think that Darth/Boba would win?

	--Jerry


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From: joshuali@sal-sun117.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:33:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Aug18.155214.754@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>
>The full-sized section can be taken apart for transportation and storage, I
>think it was something like 12 or 16 parts all together. As for where it is
>stored, I would venture the guess that it is currently sitting at the
>LucasFilm Warehouse under heavy security, as is most of the other ships,
>Costumes, etc....

I didn't see it there. My guess it's in England.

joshuali@usc.edu


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