HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Short Nuntius/NewsWatcher review
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:29:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: CSo @ LLNL


 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright) wrote:
> 
> Newswatcher has two big advantages over Nuntius (IMO).
At very least!  ;-)

The version of Nuntius I evaluated wouldn't allow me to mark one article
in a thread unread & leave the rest marked as read -- NW allows this.

I really like the ability to have multiple grouplists!  I have my "morning
newspaper" group, my Mac group, a group called "technobabble", & 3
or 4 more.

If the Reduction Filter item doesn't get tossed before v1.3 goes final, NW
will be the first non-commercial newsreader for the Mac with a "kill
file" capability for those of us who know at least one person on the Net
from whom we just cannot read another word.  %-}

I compared 5 newsreaders preparatory to making recommendations
to our group & NW came out way ahead.  The addition of the collapse/
expand thread triangles & the number of unread articles in the group
selection windows just iced the cake for me.

One page of Master Dorner's notebook that I wish the developers would
copy would be the one concerning having a screen font *&* a printer
font defined at the same time.  I like Bookman 18pt on my 21" monitor
because it's easy to read from a distance, but the LaserWriter just can't
cope with.  Besides, 14pt is just fine for hardcopy . . .

__
\/  -+-  randy  -+-  all generalizations are flawed  -+-  futor@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Aug11.172751.27915@newstand.syr.edu>
	<mwalker-120892090226@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:03:07 GMT

.provo.novell.com.> mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:

   On the other hand, patents are very probably good (once again, in general).
    In my opinion, the arguments against patents for software don't usually
   hold water. Most of them seem to include the idea that the company that
   invented them wouldn't let others use/lisence them. Yet, if the company
   patented a new process (which an algorithm is) then they should be allowed
   to patent it. The problem with software patents today is that some seem to
   be granted for non-unique or previously invented works. This problem will
   be resolved in the future, probably through more lawsuits from companies
   and increased understanding of software by the judicial system.

But something A comes up with, and a patent officer thinks is
"unique," may be intuitively obvious to me when I start
working (not having even seen the original program, much less
the solution)

Consider advertisement airbrush graphics; most people use the
same techniques to create highlights and "chrome" effects; but
these techniques are not patentable. The same should hold true
for programming "techniques" (algorithms)

-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Extension to inhibit superimposition of startup icons?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:08:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.074210.25563@lin.foa.se> eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) writes:
>dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David L. Berk) writes:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>I know there must be something out there that will cause the startup
>>icons on my humble 9-inch SE screen to begin a new row of marching icons
>>*above* the initial row to avoid the superimposing of icons.
>
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>It's called IconWrap. I just looked at Sumex and couldn't find it. Use archie
>and if you can't find it, mail me and I'll send you a copy.
>

IconWrap doesn't completely get rid of the problem. Sometimes an icon
is placed over another, while others continue normally. RIght now,
I get the first icon placed on the second row, then it continues over
the first row. Seems to be right after the Filesaver init that
these shenanigans occur. By the way, I don't mean that a different
setup occurs at each bootup. The arrangement is consistent, and 
seems to depend only on what inits are there.

CKC
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Extension to inhibit superimposition of startup icons?
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:03:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University

In article <1992Aug19.174818.13263@ctr.columbia.edu>, Daniel Schwabe
<schwabe@inf.puc-rio.br> wrote:
> 
> IconWrap doesn't solve my problems either. What baffles me is that
> depending on the particular set of extensions I have on, the icons
> SOMETIMES wrap and sometimes overlap. Moreover, the particular place
> where they cease to wrap/start to overlap also changes, and is never the
> exact place where a previously active extension was present (and whose
> removal caused the change)!

I don't know exactly what IconWrap does, but I can tell you what happens
and why.  Basically, a long time ago, Paul mercer wrote some Show Icon
code, that used some low memory globals (that he probabbly really shouldn't
have, but they are his now :-), and what it did was store the horizontal
location of the last icon displayed, together with a checksum to ensure
that someone had previously displayed an icon - so if the checksum is
invalid, the init displays the icon in the first slot, sets the pos to be
the second slot and sets the checksum correctly.  Ok, so everyone followed
that code and the icons march across the screen.  But the initial code
didn't do anything when it ran off the right side of the screen (the icons
just disappeared off the side).  So a new version was implemented that kept
trac of both the horizontal and virtical locations.  Now if everyone used
this code, life would be good and all the icons would appear where they are
suppose to, but not everyone does, so what happens is the ones that use the
old code display their icon in the correct location horizontally, but on
the bottom row.  

Thats the why of it.  The solution is to moan to the authors of any inits
that do this and get them to use the latest code (then they can support
colour icons too :-)

Have fun all,
   Peter.

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis, NCRPDA, Curtin University       peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au
GPO Box U1987, Perth WA 6001, AUSTRALIA             FAX: +61 9 367 8141
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Look & Feel
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<D88-JWA.92Aug14130203@dront.nada.kth.se>
	<mwalker-140892084316@mwalker1.npd.provo.novell.com.>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:11:22 GMT

> mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:

   No, I'd just talk to his lawyer and get him on the phone. And if I wait 6
   months, I wait! It's HIS shaft idea. Next year, I'll be in the Bahamas.

Yeah, right, doing what to pay the bills ?

   > I wonder why there's no shareware cars?

   Cars and programs are different beasties. Plus, I've never really intended

Ah, but that's the point. That's why some parts of cars can be
patented, but algorithms (mental processes, math, computer programs)
should NOT be patentable.

   to say the quicksort/malloc/while loops/etc should be patented. Nobody

But that's exactly what's happening. I bet $1,000,000 (that I don't
have) that if QuickSort had been invented today, it would have been
patented. After all, it's much less intuitive than the XOR cursor,
a defined network byte order, using finite fields for encryption
(really just addition and modulus) and using a hash to find a previous
match in an LZ77 compression algorithm. All of which are patented
today.

   how and what should be patented. Ours is not the only industry which has
   gone through this. I expect that it will work itself out eventually. And I
   think that you will still be able to use quicksort if you want.

"Let's all hope for the best and it'll work out in the end."

I hear you're not in business yourself, probably not even in a
position responsible for design and implementation issues/results.
How many people would get burned before that happened ? How
much grief and wasted effor would not that process produce ?


-- 
- I have decided that it is not boxes but my lack of skill that's the problem.
- Traitor! This kind of attitude will get you nowhere around here. If you must
  know, it's not your boxes that are the problem, it's your lack of a
  sufficient number of boxes. Go out and buy something.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: angel@herald.usask.ca (Joseph F. Angel)
Subject: Changing Keyboard Mapping
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:46:27 GMT

I have installed the Mac Arabic System (7.0.1.3) on one of the hard disks
attached to a II CI, and it worked fine.  However, I am unfamiliar with the
standard Arabic keyboard layout, and I would like to install a keyboard
layout that corresponds to the US standard keyboard (i.e., I would like the
A key to generate the Arabic Alif, the B key to generate Arabic Baa, etc.).


How does one go about this?

Thanks,

Joe
From: wilhelm@michelotti.ae.ge.com (Roland K. Wilhelm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Laser Prep - is it still needed with 6.0.7
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:32:04 GMT
	<20AUG199216490207@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: <wilhelm@michelotti.ae.ge.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines

# In message <20AUG199216490207@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, 
# kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX
susan> (301)513-1673) writes: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS
susan> 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov

susan> In article <1992Aug19.170343.25451@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, pjl@sparc10.cs.uiuc.edu (Paul Lucas) writes...
>In <78012@ut-emx.uucp> charlieb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nihil) writes:
> 
>>We are adding system seven machines to our network.  
>>We have about 200 se's and pluses that we are going to bring up
>> to system 6.0.7 so as to utilize the same laserdrivers that our
>> quadras and ci's and si's are using.
>>The latest version, the version we are installing, is laser driver 7.1.1.
>> We know that we do not need to have the laser prep on the system seven 
>> machines.  But what about the 6.0.7 machines?  Do we need the 6.0.7 
>> laser prep file in addition to the 7.1.1 driver on the 6.0.7 machines?
>>Are there any weird things to expect?  Anything problems people have had
>> with this setup?
> 
>*****>	Huh?  The LaserPrep file *is* required under System 7.

susan> No, this is wrong.  The Laser Prep file is built into
susan> the LaserWriter Driver in System 7, just as the
susan> original poster thought.  I think you don't need the
susan> prep file with system 6.0.x if you are using the 7.1.1
susan> driver, but it is easy to try printing on one machine
susan> and confirm this.  We've got mixed systems here, with
susan> everyone using the latest driver, and everything works.

susan> Use the Install feature on the Printing disk that comes
susan> with the System 7 software to upgrade the 6.0.x's to
susan> the latest driver.  That should give you what you need
susan> and get rid of the rest, "automatically".

susan> Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu
susan> Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
susan> Greenbelt, MD


I'm not sure where I read it, but I seem to remember that the
prep file is only required for file server with print spooler;
otherwise, the prep file is not needed.
From: logic@wet.UUCP (Henry Kwan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: FWB Hammer Tools
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:15:53 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Aug18.163149.11798@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ziff@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Brian Moore) writes:
>I just called FWB right now and the latest version is 1.1.1.  To get it you 
>must send you original disks to 
>FWB
>2048 Polk Street
>Suite 215
>San Francisco, CA  94109
>ATTN: Software Update

The latest version of Hard Disk Toolkit is v1.1.1, which adds "direct"
support for many more devices as well as fixes minor cosmetic glitches such
as HDT LightShow with certain 24-bit display cards.  Registered owners of
the program can get this version for free by sending in your original disks
to the following address:

Attn: HDT Update
FWB, Inc.
2040 Polk Street, Suite 215
San Francisco, CA  94109

(Note: The address that Brian gave would probably work but why take chances
with the USPS, eh?)

-- 
Henry Kwan                |  AppleLink: FWB [] CompuServe: 71320,1034
FWB, Inc.                 |  Voice: (415)474-8055 [] FAX: (415)775-2225
2040 Polk St.  Ste 215    |  Internet: claris!wet!logic@ames.arc.nasa.gov
San Francisco, CA  94109  |  UUCP: {claris,hoptoad,lamc,ucsfcca}!wet!logic
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Mac equivalent of enscript?
Originator: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:09:08 GMT

Some Unices (SunOS in particular) provide a utility called enscript,
which dumps an ASCII file to a PS printer, but allows one certain
global formatting parameters, e.g.
- font
- header text on each page
- 2-up printing
etc.

Some of these parameters are available in SendPS, but not all. The question,
then, is whether a direct equivalent to enscript exists. If not, what's
your favorite quick-and-easy program to print ASCII files on a PS device?
(IMHO bringing the file into a full-strength word processor is overkill.)

Thanks!

Mike Feldman
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael B. Feldman

Professor, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
School of Engineering and Applied Science
The George Washington University
Washington, DC 20052 USA
(202) 994-5253 (voice)
(202) 994-5296 (fax)
mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Internet)

"Americans wants the fruits of patience -- and they want them now."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: In Control vs Daymaker?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:34:13 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <1992Aug18.074504.13167@rdg.dec.com> Ian Catlin <catlin@iosg.enet.dec.com> writes:
>I'm interested in buying one of these applications, but I've been unable
>to get any info on 
>In Control.  I've got the Daymaker demo, and I'm impressed.  I'd like to
>get some information on In Control before I make the purchase...

Well, I've been comparison shopping those types of programs, so I'll
give you what I've gleaned. In Control seems to be a list manager, from
the scant info I can find. That's not what I'm looking for, so I've
stopped looking for info on it.

However, I feel obliged to tell you that MacUser panned DayMaker as "the
interface you'll love to hate." [paraphrased by yours truly from their
review] Apparently it's not so hot for day to day use. I've also been
looking at DateBook (I think this is the one I'll buy; it's VERY
comparable in features to DayMaker) and First Things First, which sounds
comparable to In Control.

Hope this was worth reading!

--Purp, trying to get organized.

>All my views are my own and not those of my company, wife, friends,
>relations and dog.

Yeah, my cat never agrees with me, either.
s
-- 
+---------------+------------------------------+-----------------------+
| Jim Meyer     | If I express an opinion, you | purp@wixer.cactus.org |
| Austin, Tejas | can bet no one else agrees.  | aka jimpurp@pro-lep   |
+---------------+------------------------------+-----------------------+
From: long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Freedom of Press Lite
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:17:29 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <16149@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, me@four.ucdavis.edu (amhastings@ucdavis.edu) writes...
>In article 24905@castle.ed.ac.uk, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>> but can FOPL be used to print a postscript file (such as produced
>> by OzTex) on an ink-jet printer (such as a Desk Writer)?

>Yes.
>Also, you can print a color postscript file if you have a Deskwriter C (and you 

 I have this setup, but one drawback I've found is that FOPL will _not_
 background print to an Appletalk-connected Deskwriter C. Anyone know if
 TScript (from Teletypesetting) can do this?

Richard C. Long			long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com
			  -or-	...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long   		
			  -or-	long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Short Nuntius/NewsWatcher review
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:45:56 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
X-Xxdate: Sat, 15 Aug 92 15:45:29 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7

In article <futor-140892092400@chinacat.llnl.gov> randy j futor,
futor@llnl.gov writes:
>The version of Nuntius I evaluated wouldn't allow me to mark one article
>in a thread unread & leave the rest marked as read -- NW allows this.
>

I prefer to use the Nuntius thread handling features as opposed to
marking.  There are options
in both the article and thread menus for various selection options.  It
took me a little getting
used to (I too prefered the NewsWatcher method), but find that I've
adapted to the point where
I prefer Speck's methods.

>I really like the ability to have multiple grouplists!  I have my
"morning
>newspaper" group, my Mac group, a group called "technobabble", & 3
>or 4 more.

If you use the Nuntius, File:Open Special option, you get a heirarchical
listing of your
personal grouplists.  I find that this works very well.  I have Nuntius
set so nothing loads
until I load a personal grouplist from the menu.

The only negative is that there is not an option to delete these
grouplists from the menu.  I 
restructured some grouplists and had to delete unused grouplists by
searching for them in the 
Preferences folder.  I also have had rare occaisions where a grouplist
became corrupt and 
forced me to rebuild it - this points out an advantage to Nuntius's use
of read-seen-new files 
for each news group - I retained all of that information for the
individual news groups that
made up the corrupted grouplist.

Glenn Stauffer
stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: mshields%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Michael S Shields)
Subject: How do Nuntius/NewsWatcher/other work??
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:20:31 MDT
Summary: Are these things for home use??
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

Question:

	Do the newsreaders discussed here allow you to dial in to a remote
Unix box(say with Zterm) and then read news?? Or are they for a Mac connected
to a network where you can access a Unix box directly??

Also, what are the choices, and were can I find them.

Thanks a million,

Mike
mshields@peruvian.utah.edu


From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: stuffit bug, email address?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:01:12 -0500

On 8/13/92@5:56:23 AM, Drew Wade is alleged to have said regarding 'stuffit
bug,
email address?': 

  DW> From: drew@netcom.com (Drew Wade)
  DW> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
  DW> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760
  DW> guest)
  DW> 
  DW> anyone know the email address for aladdin systems, makers of stuffit. 
  DW> if so, please email it to me.  i want to report the following bug:> 
  DW> if you have autodoubler installed, stuffit deluxe 2.0 and stuffit
  DW> expander 1.0.1 fail with disk error -50.
  DW> 
  DW> thanks! -drew wade
  DW> 
  DW> drew@objy.com
  
       aladdin@well.sf.ca.us
From: tds@moscom.UUCP (Troy Shouse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Money Management Program Wanted
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:15:33 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I am posting for a friend who has a Mac and a lack of control over
money.  So I am either asking you to send donations or email me some
names of software programs both shareware and for purchase that are
good for simple accounting and money management before she goes broke.

She said she has called the local distributors and software stores
who essentially told her to get an IBM. Please help. Surely there
must be something.

PS If you know where the file exists via ftp that will help
   then I only have to find someone that can ftp it for me
   as I have no ftp or telnet access.

Thanks
Troy Shouse
tds@moscom.com
----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: harry@netnews.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
Subject: Looking for Music Notation Program
Organization: DEC - Customer Support Center, Alpharetta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:47:11 GMT


I am looking for a program for creating standard music
notation and/or tablature in PostScript format.  The
target machine is a Mac IIcx.  What I am looking for
is something in the public domain or something not
too expensive.  I do not need any fancy bells and
whistles.

Thanks.
From: chris@cfa.harvard.edu (Chris Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Lotus 123
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:29:05 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

I'm having loads of problems with Lotus 123 on my MacIIcx running 
System 6.0.5.  Unfortunately, I'm currently in Chile for an extended
stay, so I cannot use the 1-800 customer service number.  Does 
anyone know if Lotus has an internet address I could use to get
some customer support?

Since the link from Chile to the US is somewhat slow, I don't read
netnews much, so email responses would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
	Chris

===========================================================================
Chris Smith                           |  BITNET: chris@cfa
Center for Astrophysics               |  Internet: chris@cfa.harvard.edu
Cambridge, MA                         |      or chris@cfa160.harvard.edu
===========================================================================
The opinions expressed above are my own, and not those of my employer...
Come to think of it, I'm not even sure I want to claim them!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson)
Subject: .drt ?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:06:50 GMT

What is it ?

/Par
From: wengler@ee.rochester.edu (Mikey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Positioning question for Word 5
Keywords: Word, question, frame, position
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:46:49 GMT
Organization: I am not a number!

In article <1992Aug12.184952.6594@athena.mit.edu> boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce) writes:
>
>But, if I 
>use a frame, putting it at, say, the top of the page, it STILL forces
>a new page break before the graphic, which then goes at the top of the
>next page.  
>
>Am I the only person who is bothered by this?

No, I am absolutely bothered by this!  It is virtually impossible to
believe it is a deliberate design decision!

I used to be a stud, and I did my thesis in TeX on a VMS/Vax.  When I
first started using Macs and Word, I quickly realized all I was giving
up in terms of beauty of documentation.  I was also aware of all I was
gaining in terms of ease of use and cheapness of available programs, er,
excuse me, I mean applications.

I made the high level policy decision to no longer be a professional
typesetter, which seemed reasonable since my degree was in Applied
Physics.

M

-- 
My situation is hopeless,		wengler@ee.rochester.edu
but not serious.			weng@uordbv  (bitnet)
					ur-valhalla!wengler
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