HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Well Seawasp??? re:Jacob's ladder
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:37:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <15003@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>full of such errors and I ask you to please back that up with an example or
>two of such mistakes - otherwise I would hope that you might reconsider your
>argument that the idea of it being a dying man's last "what ifs" is either
>ridiculous or poorly done and admit that it was perhaps your own failures
>that resulted in your incorrect observations and resulting incorrect (IMHO)
>review.


	I'm willing to admit it's possible I just came away with the wrong
impression; I and two other friends agreed that there seemed to be such
contradictions, but since I can't remember any precise examples besides the
drug I'm willing to concede that I just projected it forward to now rather
than to its proper timeframe. I CERTAINLY have no intention of spending
more money to subject myself to the thing a second time.

>Also, I'm curious if you still stick by your "how could he have known about
>the drug?" argument. As I said, he saw the soldier who stabbed him, he
>had just witnessed a friend go into some sort of strange fit, they had
>just finished smoking grass - it seems to me that if my guts were hanging
>out, as his were, and I had just witnessed something as bizarre and unlikely
>as he had (US soldiers killing US soldiers), I might come up with some idea 
>that I/we had been drugged... how do you answer that?

	I see. A drug makes me totally irrational, kill crazy, makes me
see people as enemies, and just suddenly I'm totally rational and can think
this through? I think not. In that condition he ain't gonna reason that
carefully.
	I still don't think he'd be able to come up with that idea; certainly
not in such a carefully laid out fashion as the "agent" in his vision
gave to him. A faint disjointed impression of being betrayed, maybe even
a shocked "I... I was DRUGGED!", but not the complex visions that he had.


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Ken Kittlitz)
Subject: Re: Horror magazines
Organization: University of Calgary
	<KK.92Apr15155404@dk.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Apr16.082451.1357@wkuvx1.bitnet>
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:19:59

In article <1992Apr16.082451.1357@wkuvx1.bitnet> goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
   In article <KK.92Apr15155404@dk.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, kk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Ken Kittlitz) writes:
  > > In article <1992Apr15.064726.1339@wkuvx1.bitnet> goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
  > > 
  > >  >  One of them, _After Hours_, once had an ad that featured a dozen
  > >  >  quotes, all from other small press publishers.  Who cares?
  > > 
  > > Small press readers.  Any further questions? ;-)
  > > 
  > Yeah---why?  When I read generic praise for a publication made by
  > other publishers, I don't immediately say, "Well, if Rich Chizmar (for
  > example) said that, it *must* be good...."  Then again, I rarely pay
  > attention to sales blurbs because they're usually done because:

I don't immediately assume the presence of quality, either.  But if
the person giving the hype:
	a) Publishes or writes something I like, and
	b) Has proven to be a reliable source in the past (so much for
	   Stephen King...)
then I'm likely to order a sample copy of the magazine being hyped.  If,
on the other hand, I don't enjoy the hyper's own magazine or writing,
I'm likely to save some money.

I agree that full-page ad in _After Hours_ was pretty silly.  But that
was back in one of the first few issues -- they haven't done anything
like that since.

						Ken

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston)
Subject: Re: FLAGG AS GUNSLINGER??????
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:34:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.145541.54242@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund)  
writes:
  _The_Gunslinger_ seemed to be no more than a mishmash of
> ideas King had,

Well, keep in mind that _The_Gunslinger_ just reprinted short stories from  
the Magazine Of Fantasy And ScienceFiction.  Maybe it would have been  
better if King had rewitten them to be one coherent novel (I liked it  
anyway though).
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (wayne)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Hitcher
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:34:34 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens


  Our PostNews server has been delaying things by days, so sorry
  if this is late and seems out of place.

In article <1992Apr12.154506.4995@ac.dal.ca> joker@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Well there was so much talk about Sk lately that i thought that i would post 
>somthing different for a change. Not that i have anything against him.
>	How many of you out there have seen the movie the Hitcher.
>I thought it was great. it was the type of movie that you could watch over and
>over again and it doesn't matter if you know what is going to happen. 
>thought that the reaction of the characters were half believable unlike
>some movies that i've seen. Another movie that i thought was quite good 

   I thought _The Hitcher_ was great, and recommend it highly.  I
   could never figure out whether I was performing a great feat of
   analysis in figuring out the symbolism, or whether it was
   very heavyhanded.  I've also noticed that this movie does not
   get ratings of very good, although it's generally acknowledged
   as ok.

   wayne
From: c9e-al@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: alt.horror FAQ
Summary: Go for it!!!
Keywords: alt.horror, questions
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:18:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr7.011825.7902
Organization: /etc/organization

To the person who suggested an alt.horror FAQ, i'd say go for it.
Some questions that could be included:-
I) In which other Stephen King novels did Flagg appear?
II) What is the latest word on _The_Stand_ being made into a movie?
III) Why people like Stephen King...
IV ) Why I hate Stephen King...
V  ) Why I read horror.....
etc.

Anyway, is there a chance of getting an ftp-site where we can store
bibliographies, especially that of HP Lovecraft?

Chua
====
From: joker@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: The Hitcher
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:45:06 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Well there was so much talk about Sk lately that i thought that i would post 
somthing different for a change. Not that i have anything against him.
	How many of you out there have seen the movie the Hitcher.
I thought it was great. it was the type of movie that you could watch over and
over again and it doesn't matter if you know what is going to happen. 
thought that the reaction of the characters were half believable unlike
some movies that i've seen. Another movie that i thought was quite good 
is (i think its called this? correct me if i'm wrong) was "Spellbound"
anyway to give you a quick overview of the movie it is about this cop
who helps this girl who is being beatten up by her boyfriend who we latter
find out that he is a leader of a satanic cult. i wont say any more 
for those of you who haven't senn it yet but i strongly recommend these two.

Next ive been hearing a lot about people compairing Randall Flagg to 
Leland Gant (i think that right) personally i think 
that these two people are not the same. For one there character just dont 
seem the same if you can follow what i mean by that. Second in all the
other stories with RF he uses the same initials but if i'm not mistaken
there is no reference to these initials in Needful Things.

				thank for your time and money!

						Darren
The universe hath not created justice!
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Ken Kittlitz)
Subject: Re: Horror magazines
Organization: University of Calgary
	<92105.235942IO10033@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
	<1992Apr15.064726.1339@wkuvx1.bitnet>
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:54:04

In article <1992Apr15.064726.1339@wkuvx1.bitnet> goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

 >  One of them, _After Hours_, once had an ad that featured a dozen
 >  quotes, all from other small press publishers.  Who cares?

Small press readers.  Any further questions? ;-)

						Ken
From: d89johbe@odalix.ida.liu.se (Johan Berntsson)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Roman Polanski
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:11:48 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

910407h@ace.acadiau.ca (DANIEL FRANCIS HATT) writes:

>In article <oFVLiB3w164w@miracle.com> jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne) writes:

>>Is anyone out there familiar with the films of Roman Polanski??  I just
>>rented the film "The Fearless Vampire Killers".  

>Did'nt he do FRANTIC and Rosemary's baby?
>       DAN

Yes, he did.               /Johan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 12:24:25 EDT
From: <EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Hitcher
 <1992Apr12.223434.3568@rigel.econ.uga.edu>

>In article <1992Apr12.154506.4995@ac.dal.ca> joker@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>Well there was so much talk about Sk lately that i thought that i would post
>>somthing different for a change. Not that i have anything against him.
>>       How many of you out there have seen the movie the Hitcher.
>>I thought it was great. it was the type of movie that you could watch over
>and
>>over again and it doesn't matter if you know what is going to happen.
>>thought that the reaction of the characters were half believable unlike
>>some movies that i've seen. Another movie that i thought was quite good

I thought The Hitcher was great -- Rutger Hauer was absolutely demonic.
Now I'm going to have to go rent it again -- thanks a lot :-).
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Lovecraft/Barker
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:51:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.224436.9044@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>
>	Ok, here's my 2 cents.  A few people on the net have complained that
>Lovecraft's writing is cumbersome and/or boring.  Though I disagree, that's
>just personal preference.
>	I, however, feel the same for Clive Barker.  I read the first page
>of Weaveworld 8 times and I still couldn't figure out how many characters
>...

If you haven't read any of Barker's short horror fiction you might
give it a try (essentially the six volumes of the _Books of Blood_).

Although I enjoyed Weaveworld, I'd have to class it more as phantasy rather
than horror (although I realise that the line I might draw between these
two genres may be more or less arbitrary).

Mark
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From: pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Stephen King- Who is Flagg?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:59:22 GMT
Distribution: alt.horror
Organization: Saint Joseph's University


Since the only SK novels I have ever read are The Dead Zone and 
Pet Sematary, I was wondering who Flagg is and what novel is this
character in?

                                 Thanks, Sal Pastino
From: rettigca@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Friday the 13th, The Series, Wiggins
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:14:24 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Chris Wiggins recently did a bit part in the tv series, Sweating Bullets, late
night on CBS.  You might be able to catch a rerun...he played a typical bad guy
with money, a yacht, fancy cars, etc.  A real sleaze....

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: New S. King movie, (info requested).
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 12:43:35 EDT

In article <7-mjmvn.quaalude@netcom.com> quaalude@netcom.com (George Mealer) writes:
>v079kku8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Yes, it's Bond, James Bond.) writes:

>: 	I may be the most ignonrant person on the planet: Could someone please
>: tell me who Tobe Hooper is?
>: 
>: 						Navin
>
>Naaah...not the MOST ignorant.  :)
>
>Mr. Hooper has quite a few directorial credits under his belt...however, his
>best known would be "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre".
>

	He was also responsible for the vampires-from-space flick
	"Lifeforce" as well as that low-budget masterpiece "Eaten Alive."


	His low point was directing the TV adaptation of Uncle Steve's
	"'Salem's Lot."

	Darin Powell
	dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino)
Subject: Flagg Information
Organization: Saint Joseph's University
Distribution: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:04:10 GMT


Thanks for the information on Flagg and giving the plot synopsis
that gives away nothing.

                                    Sal Pastino

P.S. The only "flag" I knew before this was for the Black Flag
roach killer.
From: v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michelle L. Zafron)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: SLEEPWALKERS (minor spoilers)
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:09:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.horror
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <31127@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, ekarpp@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Edward Karpp) writes...
>In article <1992Mar24.155817.28141@cs.dal.ca> falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:
>>In a recent Marque magazine, found at an Empire Theatre, the following tidbit
>>was found:
>>	"Okay, these aliens from outer space have invaded Earth, right?
>>	 And they've inhabited the bodies of these cats, and ... There
>>	 may be only one writer in the world who can get away with a plot
>>	 like this, which could explain why his name is right there in
>>	 the title:  STEPHEN KING'S SLEEPWALKERS.  That way we'll know who
>>	 to blame.  Alice Krige, Madchen Amick, and Brian Krause star."
>>Don't know about Alice Krige, but Madchen Amick was Shelly on Twin Peaks,
>>and from the small picture given with the article, Brian Krause looks like
>>a younger blond version of Patrick Swayze.
>>Anyone else know anything about this film?
>>Craig R. Falkenham

>Alice Krige, who was the ghost in GHOST STORY, is one of the
>monsters.

(Other info deleted).

Alice Krige has been in a number of movies--feature and tv.  CHARIOTS OF FIRE,
A TALE OF TWO CITIES, WALLENBERG-A HERO'S STORY.  Can't think of what else off
hand, but she's got an impressive list of credits.

All I've seen is the preview, which looked good, but so many previews do that.
I'll have to wait and see...

--Michelle L. Zafron (v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu)
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: FLAGG AS GUNSLINGER??????
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:55:41 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

In article <1992Apr6.184453.27275@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
askounis@rigel.vlsi.sgi.com (Paul Askounis) writes:
> I believe that there is a Flagg-like character that rescues the Tick-Tock Man
> near the end of "The Waste Lands". He seems to be an antagonist of Roland and
> intent on preventing him from fulfilling his quest. 
> 
> I cannot remember what the character refers to himself as, bu he gave the same
> impression of himself as Flagg did in "The Stand", ie - shady memory of his
> past, healing powers, etc.

     He called himself "Richard Fannin" if memory serves.  Short-term
memory, that is.  I just finished the book about a week ago.

     Speaking of the "Dark Tower" saga, how would netters rank the
books in quality?  I found _The_Waste_Lands_ to be the best of the
three, simply because I finally find myself caring about the
characters.  _The_Gunslinger_ seemed to be no more than a mishmash of
ideas King had, and _The_Drawing_of_the_Three_, while better, was
mostly background information.  I get the impression it's finally
coming together in King's mind, and it shows in the writing.  IMHOs,
anyone? 
-- 
|==========================Patrick S. Clark==========================|
|            "When the world's in trouble I am not slow.             |
|                So it's hip-hip-hip and away I go!"                 |
|==Internet:  slb3y@cc.usu.edu===================Bitnet:  slb3y@usu==|
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 12:26:42 EST
From: <K50CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Lovecraft/Barker
 <tksjqrp.quaalude@netcom.com>

Can't remember the opening (gotta pick up the book and blow the dust off its'
cover) but I remember being very enchanted in this world.     I'm a bigger
Barker fan than a King fan,since Barker's been more stable in his writing and
stories.IMHO,he writes tighter and generally more fantastic stories.Still,I'll
buy plenty of King's books too!(Haven't yet read Imajica or Needful Things or
even Wastelands yet...paperbacks are a lot cheaper! :) )
L8r!
KLAZAR
From: mf2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Kevin Fischer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Stephen King interview this am
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:37:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cdslAUq00iV1039l5u
Organization: Junior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

R. Bretschneider writes:
>If you're not familiar with the workings of a "kill file" and what
>it can do for you, I'd suggest you learn.  I'd be happy to help if
>you need help.  In the meantime, I'll be ignoring your request.
 

Okay I forgot about the kill function (I'm new here and might need a
little help) but it still doesn't excuse the single-mindedness of all
these King freaks who post here. I'd think even King fans would be bored
of all this and start writing about the ninety billion other writers,
directors, artists, etc. whose work falls under the category of horror.
But then again with shit like the excerpt from the post below, it's
obvious that some people can't think beyond the "fan club" level of
interest in a subject or individual. Oh well. 



>This morning I saw an interview on Good Morning America with Stephen
>King.  Joan Lunden interviewed him for a few minutes.

Too bad - probably not even enough time to reach an orgasm 


>For those of you curious about this type of thing, he was wearing a
>white linen sports jacket and pants, black t-shirt and socks, and 
>blue "comfy shoes."
> 
>It seemed the interview was a push for the new movie "sleepwalkers."
>Joan introduced the interview mentioning that this movie is the
>"1st King story written directly for the screen." 
>She then asked him how he is doing.
>King's first comments were "I'm doin ok.  Who writes these lead ins
anyway?"

Blah blah blah. .........
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder (was Re: FlatlinersDEREGISTER
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:14:36 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Apr6.112157.54225@cc.usu.edu>, slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund) writes:
> In article <204466@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:
>      Having avoided flamewars to this point to the best of my ability,
> and not having seen either "Jacob's Ladder" or "Flatliners," I now
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> dive into the fray.

Why pray tell? If you don't know a thing about them then you really sound a
bit absurd passing any judgements...

>      I have to agree with Seawasp here.  I go to movies to be pandered
> to.  A modicum of intelligent plotting/acting/etc. helps, but I'm in
> it for entertainment value, not social commentary or high-mindedness. 
> Pretentious movies turn me off completely.

 So intellectual == pretentious eh? Hmm... I'll have to think about that one.
Frankly, I enjoy mindless fluff as much as the next guy/gal but to rule out
a movie because it might, just might have an ounce of intellectual content
is not a philosophy I would sign onto...

>      Thanks for the opinions to all who've participated.  I know
> enough now to avoid "Jacob's Ladder" for good.

 Hmm... yes - I know I would never want to see a movie that someone called 
"seawasp" panned..... particularly if it might cause me to think....


			gln
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino)
Subject: Flagg being pure evil info...
Organization: Saint Joseph's University
Distribution: hjin!psuvm.psu.edu!PCF103
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:00:32 GMT


Thanks for explaining about what type of character Flagg is and what
books he appears in. This has cleared up some confusing talk on the net
for me.

                                    Thanks, Sal Pastino

P.S. Before this, the only "Flag" I knew was the one for Black Flag
roach spray.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: pastino@sjuphil.uucp (Sal Pastino)
Subject: Flagg being complete evil and in The Stand
Organization: Saint Joseph's University
Distribution: hjin!psuvm.psu.edu!PCF103
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:01:34 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: <steinman>@me.utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder (was Re: Flatliners
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Mechanical Engineering
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:38:29 GMT


>In article <92Apr5.185143edt.20187@me.utoronto.ca> steinman writes:

>>	If it was a dying VISION (given by an angel, say) that just makes
>>it a worse movie from my point of view. WHY give such a vision? Nothing
>>is accomplished by it, no good at all.
>>

>Would you have said the same thing about "It's a Wonderful Life" ?

>If an angel can show Jimmy Stewart what life would have been like
>if he hadn't been born, to convice him to live, then why can't
>an angel show Tim Robbins (Jacob Singer) what life would be like
>if he lives, to convince him to let go and die?

Of course, I didn't say the above ">>".  That was Seawasp, who is
apparently as dogmatic about not liking JL as I am about liking JL.
To each his own, as it were.  'cept I'm right ;-)
--
Dave! - a guy who likes mindless entertainment as much as the next alias.

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: More Steve KIng Stuff
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:59:54 GMT




I'm positive that I saw a show on T.V. a long time ago that was about an hour
or so long that was definitely taken after Steven King's "THe Monkey".  It
was the same exact thing as the story I read.  There was also a short "filck"
based on the stostory about the little toy soldiers that run around and blow
a guy away (I forget the title), but it was EXACTLY like the story.  It
showed on that old show called "The Dark Room" or something like that...