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From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: The Baha'i Faith has been mentioned here...
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:22:42 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <9210091540.AA16036@lambada.oit.unc.edu>, Steven.Kolins@lambada.oit.unc.edu writes:
>       The Baha'i Faith has been mentioned here as being part of the MKO.  This
> is shear imagination.
> 
>       I am a Baha'i.  I am well informed of the Faiths actions on many
> levels - as can any Baha'i who seeks to be informed.
> 
>       I have never heard of the MKO 'till a friend from this discussion
> group asked me about our involvement.
> 
>       The Universal House of Justice, the ruling and Holy governing
> institution of my Faith, declares Baha'u'llah's teaching, as the Prophet
> Founder of my faith, as total uninvolvement in anything partisan.  Baha'is
> in the US are not allowed to be part of the political parties.  A Baha'i
> friend wished to become chairman of his department in a western university
> - something far more available than some extremeist organization.  He
> openly questioned whether the process of picking the chairman was too
> politically partisan. 

I do not know about America, but I do know that Bahai held key posts in
the governmet of Shah of Iran.  The longest serving prime minister of Shah,
Amir Abbas, was Bahai.  They were also member of the world most notorious
secret police, the Savak.  I am not aware whether these people were expelled
from Bahai community or not.

>       The now six million Baha'is around the world and through our 150
> year history have suffered martyrdom and social disentigration rather than
> oppose a government - like Iran and the Soviet Union.  To imply that
> Baha'is participate in this kind of activity shames their memory. 
> Baha'u'llah, who lead a life of oppression when Hitlers abominations were
> clumsy attempt at persecution, Who was banished repeatedly, Who suffered
> deprivation for Himself and all His family, Who suffered that family's
> near universal betrayal, claimed the only suffering He really was hurt by
> was when a follower of His dirtied his Faith with deeds such as the MKO is
> credited with doing. 
> 
>       Please divorce any mention of my religion with such organizations
> and any others of any similarity.

It is a fact that many Bahai are member of MKO and its military wing NLA 
which has been trying to overthrow present islamic government of IRAN.
I am sorry if you got hurt, but it is fact. ALSO, you must think of the
grievences of those whose sons and daughter have been killed by these 
organisations.
  
>  
> steven.kolins@bbs.oit.unc.edu

Asad.
From: mojgan@orion.oac.uci.edu (Mojgan Bonakdar)
Subject: Let's make a deal
Summary: Capitalism alive and kicking
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Hot to make money!
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:14:03 GMT

In article <ldbpp0INNat9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.210027.8902@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>>
>>Subject: FAQ: soc.culture.iranian - Intro [monthly]
>>
>>                      Introduction to the
>>
>>   Soc.Culture.Iranian Frequently Asked Questions (with answers)
>>
>
>on behalf of sci: thankyou!  
>
>you know, beside people with net access, this information would
>be valuable to any iranian moving to bay area (or the states, or 
>anywhere for that matter).
>
>you could even take this idea further and put together a practical 
>daanestaneeha-style booklet for the iranian community at large 
>(and donate the proceeds to a good cause like funding students, etc).
>
>even better, you could take out a personal loan, rent an office, ... 
>
>ok, ok, i'll stop.
>

It's nice to see Capitalism and money making ideas at a time 
when most businesses are going under or sloooooowing down.

But no matter what, there are always some people that know
how to benefit from every situation.

After the last big earthquake in San Francisco there was some
guy on the corner selling t-shirst that had "I survived the
S.F. Quake" printed on it.

And after the L.A. riots, it was probably the same guy who
moved down south and was selling t-shirts that had "I survived
the L.A. riots" printed on it.

What's my point in all this?  Mack has great ideas and the
ability to put them together, while Sharokh would make a
great marketing director.  Let me know if you guys need a 
good accountant.

Mojgan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Khuzistan and another quiz
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:41:01 GMT

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>Could "bacheh kAmbeezy" refer to those 'tooy-e zar-vargh pichideh' kids
        ```````````````

This is the same as "bachcheh aab porteghaali"! 
It is refered to the kids of high grade NIOC employee
who were mainly living in BRAIM (and seh goosh as well).
I remember when our school had a basketball match with IBN CINAA high
school, they had to bring the police to protect us from the other side.
When our school won the game, we were confronted with tens of students
from IBN CINAA who would call us BACHCHEH AAB PORTEGHAALI.


>(or here they are referred to as 'spoiled').  Sorry, maybe this is a tehrani
>attribute.  As for the rest of them, I am not even going to guess.  :-)

>I do have one, though:  how about "sekanbaloo."  What is it?

>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056





From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:47:16 GMT
Subject: Masoud's pathetic response
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

In Article 13372 in soc.culture.iranian, massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) has the gall to write:

>Mahin Khanom:

>It seems you took the jokes too far, I believe you are getting to the point
>of insulting peoples believes, and, first those are not my believe that I am

I agree up to here, and that's it.

>defending, second, you are in the position far away to be respected.
>
>I wish you were prety that you could find yourself a boyfriend, then you
>would be busy doing somthing constructive!

That's below the belt, mister!  I wish YOU had a brain, and could come up with
a better way of answering her.

>
>Remember in the article"Oh my god, it is you...?" what I said was:
>"I want you to breath in people who have lost their will to live, give them
>a new challenge,let them stand up and glorify you".
>
>What I meant needs few substitutions;
>breath in = blow in (it is a job);
>[it is for the ones who have LOST];
>stand up = rise up;
>and allow them to glorify you, heck you may deserve a mercy f%#@.
>

Seems like you are a little frustrated yourself!  Is this how you 
answer all women you don't like?  Your sleazy sexist attitude 
stinks, and it is YOU who have taken the joke too far, buster! 
If there are nice people out there that Mahin has offended (I know there
are), they certainly don't need THIS crap for their defence!

>To all SCI members , my appologies in advanced, the above is not my style of
>writing, but it seems her leash is loose.
>

You brought yourself down to the gutter with this post, and your leash is
pretty damn loose, much looser than hers!

>Peace and Prosperity!
>  ---==< 110 >==---

you mean for yourself, right?  You better learn some manners, and you should
be ashamed of yourself!  People like you allow us all to see the mentality 
behind the regime's policy of raping young girls before they are executed.
What a bunch of pathetic bastards!


May all your dairy products rot,

Agha Javad
(We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Re: God or No God...
Keywords: God, Science and Knowledge...
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.153218.1@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu> desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...) writes:
>
> ... stuff deleted
>
>Is it true that all the things we accept and believe to exist have an existence
>belonging to the same category as our own or are things that are visible to us?
>Can we see or feel everything in this material world? Is it only God we cannot
>see with our senses?
>
>All materialists are aware that many of the things known to us consist of
>matters and realities that we cannot sense and with which we are not customarily
>familiar.  There are many invisible beings in the universe.  The progress of
>science and knowledge in the present age have uncovered numerous truths of this
>kind, and one of the richest chapters in scientific research is the transfor-
>mation of matter into energy...

... stuff deleted

Even physics, the mother of all sciences, the standard of precision for all
experimental science, arguably is a mythology created by human minds and guided
by the paradigms of the day. 

Whitehead , a great mathematician, expressed the shock that he and other
scientists felt in the beginning of this century when they realized that 
physics is a fallible human creation. In 1880's everything was supposed to be
known about physics that could be known, with the exception of few things, such
as electromagnetic phenomena. But for the rest physics was supposed to be a
closed chapter in the book of science. However, as we all know at the turn of 
the 20th century the Newtonian physics was demolished. 

Based on that experience there is no reason to suppose that Einstein's 
relativity is anything final than Newton's "Principia". 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: javAd AghA's affection for women!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:38:28 GMT

In article <28600028@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:

>Seems like you are a little frustrated yourself!  Is this how you 
>answer all women you don't like?  Your sleazy sexist attitude 
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>stinks, and it is YOU who have taken the joke too far, buster! 
>If there are nice people out there that Mahin has offended (I know there
>are), they certainly don't need THIS crap for their defence!

Hey javAd jAn, I see that everytime someone says a "to" to a woman, you get
angry! This seems inconsistent with your "all people are equal, have the same
rights ..." thesis. Could you please tell us what's the secret of that?

>you mean for yourself, right?  You better learn some manners, and you should
>be ashamed of yourself!  People like you allow us all to see the mentality 
>behind the regime's policy of raping young girls before they are executed.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What a bunch of pathetic bastards!

Even if this was true, what's the relevance? Let me tell you something.
A success key in publicity is to say something over and over again.
Even if it's not true, after sometime, people will begin to believe. This
is the thesis of Goebbels and unfortunately is correct.

>Agha Javad

Seyyed.
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:02:26 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

this interchange between hooshyar and keivan is making me gag! what is this
hi hooshyar jan, salam kaivan khan, and all variations of it back and forth
back and forth like a teniss game. you guys make me want to puke. i bet you
guys drink tea with your pinky finger  sticking out! you guys probably eat
tofu ice cream and like to use the phrase "pompous ass" also! 

(for all of my fans out there who are willing to jump on me for the littlest
things, that was a joke)

zafar 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human
From: eskandar@ee.ualberta.ca (Matt Eskandar)
Subject: Re: IRAN: Executions of prisoners continue unabated
Organization: Univ of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:22:15 GMT

saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
> 
> Excerpts from:
> 
>     IRAN: Execution of prisoners continue unabated
>     1 October 1992
>     AI Index MDE 13/18/92
> 
... stuf deleted ...

> ``Before the executions took place, prisoners were interrogated for a few
> minutes by a commission made of clerics regarding their past activities,
> ..., whether or not daily performed the daily prayers. ... the commission
> ultimately became known as the ``Death Commission''. The late Ayatollah
> Khomeini has reportedly issued a fatwa (religious edict) sanctioning the
> execution of any prisoner who failed to fulfill his or her religious
> obligations. Most of the executed were supporters of the PMOI, but ...
							   ^^^^
> 
... stuf deleted ...


	What is PMOI? is this some kind of new organization? 

	/ME 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Subject: Who is PMOI (was: Re: IRAN: Executions of prisoners ...)
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:25:15 GMT


   In article: <saied.719086845@cwis> saied@cwis.unomaha.edu
 (Saied*)writes:

>eskandar@ee.ualberta.ca (Matt Eskandar) writes:
>saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>> 


>>	What is PMOI? is this some kind of new organization? 

>Sorry Matt, the acroynm was defined in earlier pages
>of the document and I continued using it. It stands
>for ``People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran.'' It
>is not a new but rather the oldest active organization
>in Iran's contemporary history.

     Yeah. This organization(founded in 1965) is older than Tudeh Party
(f. 1930's), Fadaian-e Islam (f. 1940's), Hei'at-ha-ye Mo'atalefeh
(f. 1961), etc. :-)

                                  It played a *MAJOR*
>role to topple the Pahlavi dictatorship; it has been
>against against the anti-human, anti-democratic, and
>warmongering policies of the Khomeini regime and in
>fact played a major role in forcing the cease-fire
>down into Khomeini's throat,

      It also played a major role, while serving as a part of Iraqi army
since 1986, in raining Iranian cities by Iraqi scuds and giving information
about Iranian forces to Iraq.
      It also played a very major role in genocide of Iraqi Kurds after
operation desert storm done by Iraqi army.

                             thus ending the Khomeini
>regime's warmongering and senseless killings in war
>with Iraq.

      Exactly like George Bush, who is responsible for bringing down
the Berlin wall. :-)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Re: Ghalie MAhee, laghajee, tooleh (was: re: Konar, Khuzistan...)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:04:00 GMT
Keywords: more on Khuzistan

suzi@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Suzan Ehdaie) writes:

>Yes, I do remember a sepessoon tree whose fruit has a very strange
>taste.  The taste was kind of sticky and left you a bitter taste at
>the end!  The color of this fruit is white and its size is a little
>bit larger than a cherry!   

Most likely you tried them when they were not ready.  When they
ripen, they turn a golden yellow color, become soft and have a
sweet taste.  They are still "runny nosed" which is half of the
fun of eating them or smearing other kids' faces with!!!

>But I don't know anything about "lagajee"???  

I should have called it "laghajee", anyway, it was a wild grown short
bush that had very colorful, wide, showey flowers which eventually
turned into an oval-shaped fleshy pulp.  The fruit when opened up,
had polka-dots in its inner walls.  As for the taste, it was very
distinct.  If you've eaten the fruit of the Cactus tree, it tasted
very simmilar.  I don't know how else to describe it.  When I was a
child, we lived near a man-made jungle (In AghAjAry, the purpose of
which was to stop sand storms), in our back yard this plant (several
of them) grew wild.  I remember there were some foxes that lived in
the jungle and visited us every now and then.  This was their favorite
fruit.  They used to eat all the ripe ones off the bush.  I was hoping
someone else had seen it and could refresh my memory on it.

>Does anyone know the recipe for "Ghriyeh Mahi"!!!?

As for the "ghalieh mAhee", you are all in luck.  My mom just
came back yesterday and I will get the recipe (including what
kind of fish to use) and will post it asap.  I never cared for
this dish myself!!

>-Suzan

Here's another unique one.  Specially for our Dezfuli friends.
Do you know what "tooleh" is and did you ever have "Ab tooleh"?

Soheila
From: bahman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bahman Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Khomainie's Tomb Exploded
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:36:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.003939.5787@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Asghar@me.eng.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <Bw4JAH.K0M@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>>saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

>... Whether Iranian choose Members of 
>Mojahedin as their representatives in the government, that is
>their purgative. It will not bother either Mojahedin or me
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>if not a single one of them is elected to the Majlis or the
>other offices. As long as, they are allowed to have a office
>and their newspaper to express their views, it would be
>fine. 


Are you sure?! How could you be so sure!

bahman 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: tatmi'e AghA farhAd
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.175922.3063@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:

>I third that AghA Sayyed.  Please come down here.  We are very nice
>people and  you gona have "chelokabAb e soltAni" and "pAloodeh shirAzi".

Sorry, I am not the right person to "deal" with. First I can not eat your
chelokabab because it's not halal meat. Secondly the only way we can be
nice together, is that you stop mocking people and start learning something
from Islam (not from me if that makes you happy).

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bhushan@fmiapd.com (Bhushan Kerur)
Subject: test
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:49:10 GMT

test
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khuzestan, Pol-e dokhtar (AzarbayejAn)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 06:59:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Oct12.232845.26825@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
....

>Khuzestan back in Sassanid era.  It was right in the middle of Zagros
>mountain range and it was near the road going to Khuzestan traveling
>from Khoram-Abad to Ahvaz.  The bridge was right in the middle of a very
      ~~~~~~~~~~~
speaking of khorram-aabaad, do you remember 
ghal'e'ye falakol-aflaak in khorram aabaad?  after nearly twenty
years, the image of that majestic palace is still crystal clear
in my head.  i remember it was built on top of a very large rocky 
hill with extremely steep slopes.  at nights a large number of very 
powerful noor-afkans would shine upwards from the foot of the hill
up along side the walls.  this created a visually stunning effect
which made the castle look that much more 'scary' to us kids... 

>Zamie
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: PWP - Persian Word Processor
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: soc.culture.iranian
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:10:03 GMT

Hossien AghA writes:
|> FarhAd khAn wrote:   :)
|> 
|> >anyway there is a freeware  farsi editor on Tehran.Stanford.EDU
|> >that someone gave me (I forgot his/her name) and  you can access
|> >it via anonymous FTP and it is located in  the pub directory
|> >called  aria.zip .    Extract it, put it on a PC running dos,  unzip
|>                                                                 ^^^^^
|> >it run install and  VOILA  you got farsi editor.
|> >
|> 
|> I assume unzip is a software for uncompressing data which has been earlier
|> compressed by its inverse function (zip?).  Is this utility part of
|> DOS? If not, is this also free or it's commercial?
|> 
|> -Hossien

Yes I think you can get it from anonymous ftp on:

oak.oakland.edu   pub/msdos/zip/ directory!

goodluck!

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         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
     +----------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: WOW... there is *still* confusion over this...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:13:18 GMT

In article <ldjnofINNakr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>its amazing, but some people (thru e-mail) have indicated that
>despite their 'love' for seyed, it doesnt make any difference
>if you switch or not.
>
>here's a simple program, which simulates the puzzle with three
>doors, and shows that your original choice remains a 1/3 bet:

Sorry Shahrokh jAn, I didn't know I gave you such a hard time that you left 
your work and went after simulations !!! Don't worry, Reza Modarres already 
told us that some simulations show 1/3 to 2/3 odds. You know, if you force
your brain to work, you don't have to give so much pain to yourself! Take it
easy!

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: naghmeye Aref ...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:22:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.232610.9397@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:

>SeyyedA, bi-adabAneh jahAn-rA mabAshad ghami
>	cherA keh az dahAneh to boroon Ayad kesAfat hami
>
>bordi Aberooyeh deeno, mihano, doostAn
>	raftAro kerdArat darsist barAyeh har mosalmAn
>
>cho bioftad bedasteh amsAleh to gerAmi IrAn
>	shavad farhango dAnesho mamlekat virAn
>
>gar to boodi az taheh jAn mosalmAn
>	nemikardi khodrA mas-khareyeh Adamian 
>
>sehat bakh-shidi bar kalAmeh LoghmAn
>	haghA keh bAyad adab Amookht az bi-adabAn
>
>
>No more comments. 
>
>Asghar AghA
>

That's better, but it still doesn't have "vazn". However you have a very
good talent in this field. Please continue. Dar zemn shoukhi kardi, man
ham shoukhi kardam. cherA delkhor shodi?

Still have lots of more comments, but will keep it for next time.
Seyyed.