HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:32:42 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

>Omaha Sternberg writes...
>
>   No! I have had deep relationships that were very stable form over a very
>short period of time. The reason I believe is that both I and the
>person(people) with whom I had these relationships knew what we wanted out
>of the relationship. I tend to open up and trust someone quickly if I can
>feel that I can. I've trusted my feelings for quite some time because I've
>been able to predict bad or good situations from them. Intuition, if you
>will. Not every relationship will form this way, and not everybody can form
>them this way, but it can and has been done.

interesting comment. I had never realized that my strongest connections have
all been near instantaeous in their forming... how peculiar, now that I consider
this. a common attribute of all these relationships is the aspect of clarity.
all involved were clear on what they had to offer, what they wanted, and what
they were willing to give/take to insure the success of the relationship/activity.

this brings up the rather disturbing thought that my... er, uh, avoidance of
people here of late is due to my lack of clarity-of-purpose. well now this is
two posts today that have gotten me deep in though... it figures that the day
that a code-freeze is to occur I'd end up going inside to consider my behaviour.

seems like the Karma Police are out in force today. :-) I really hate it when
my name comes up at the ECCO (Earth Coincidence Control Office) morning staff
meetings. seems like ECCO agents take particular delight in suggesting I engage
in... new and improved, alternate behaviour. :-)
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:24:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug27.064252.13822@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
+Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) wrote...
+>It's a pity that hot tubs are not more common in the Midwest -- they
+>seem to have possibilities.
+
+Numerous possibilities...
+I wonder about the lack of Midwest hot tubs too.  A hot tub would be 
+heavenly in weather that gets as cold as it does during Chicago winters.  

Well, we live in a capitalist world don't we?? If they can sell
eskimos refrigerators, then they can sell midwesterners hot tubs.
But somehow one has to de-californicate it. Maybe sell it as a
ancient plains indian medicine method. Maybe re-write Hyawatha, as
"Bi the shores of Ichy-Gummy, bi the big hot tub, stood Hyawatha,
dangling luridly...'.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:07:47 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <BtD08M.LEB@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
writes:

>How much longer does punting season last...?

Until about mid October I seem to remember - you can punt for the first
couple of weeks of the new term. So that gives us nearly two whole months.
Anyone for a soc.bi Cambridge punt trip? Just the odd hour or two up to
Grantchester, a picnic in the meadows (watch out for cow pats) or in the
local pub, and then half an hour back in the pouring rain. Well it tends to
be raining a lot on the way back, because if it starts raining you tend to
pack up and head back :-).

Or did you intend this to be a private affair (oo-err! (-: ) Graham?

Oh yes, I dribble on people while I'm punting :-) :-).

Owen.
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Silly Quotes
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:47:02 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <memo.585491@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Clive Grace) writes:

>[Owen Writes]
>>Yes  - assuming I get anything back in the post from them (I'll probably
>>turn up even if nothing arrives). So what exactly are you supposed to get
>>back from them anyway?

>You get a leaflet of the University, a form letter with a number on it 
>(keep the letter - it supposedly speeds up registration), and a list of
>guest houses nearby...if you want acommodation (and being salaried, I 
>booked a room for me and ah... someone else) then you can book a room 
>for between #13 and #20 per person per night... 

Well it's 13 days since I sent my registration off first class, and I
haven't had anything back yet. Anyone got a phone number I can ring to check
up on them? Fear not though, I'll turn up even if I haven't heard anything.
I can always drive home every night if I don't like the crash space (it's
about 45 minutes I think) but I reckon staying will be more fun. All those
late night sing songs :-) :-). Hey, I could bring my recorders, or better
still, who votes for me playing my tuba at 3 AM?

Owen (parp!)
From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Chocolate Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:50:32 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Sep4.003800.49618@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>
>BTW, who likes their chocolate warm and soft (kept in the pocket)
>and who likes it hard and cold (kept in the fridge)?
>
>///Peter

Warm and soft.  Spreads easier.  You guess where... :-)

S
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.210159.27847@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca writes:
>
>Yeah, but it's still a cool quote. :)  I've always had a problem with the
>saying "actions speak louder than words"... how does that work if "the pen
>is mighter than the sword"??  I think the quote is definitely good .sig
>material though (IMHO). :)

It's definitely a good quote, I'll agree.  Just wish that more folks felt
comfortable about themselves, that's all.
--scott
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sara@blkhole.resun.com (Organization: News Addicts)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:56:22 GMT
Reply-To: sara@castle.ed.ac.ukKeywords: 
Organization: News Addicts

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
[lots of cool stuff on his experience of the 70s]
>Go back?  Can't.  But sometimes I wish I could return for a visit; whisper
>small comforts into my younger ears; catch my tongue before I say the wrong
>thing; remind me not to lose hold of people.  They weren't the best of
>times, but they were mine, and I'm who I am because of them, and I'm
>glad.

Hear hear!  Me, I'm older than Elf and younger than Kay, nearly in the
middle I think, and I feel similarly to Kay about the 70s altho I
appreciate what Elf says about the period.  Formative years for me
certainly, and traumatic as well; a fairly hellish home life with some
heavy responsibility as older sibling to a mentally handicapped
brother and some heavy hassles with an alcoholic father who kept us
all awake at night with his rantings.  The loss of my virginity;
dabbling in "youth subcultures" (from rock'n'roller to punk to biker
in some convoluted stages); the gaining of some independence
(eventually my mother gave up hassling me about staying out late!) and
hey!  The birth of punk was a liberating experience for so many of us!
Then the soul, the funk, the jazz; it wasn't all naff disco, and the
90's wouldn't be what it is without it (for better or worse).  Often I
miss it.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lemmings!
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:03:35 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

mjb@doc.ic.ac.uk (Matthew Jude Brown) writes:

>Now, if someone would port Elite ... that's a game I wasted my teenage
>years on ...

Damn capitalist.

>-Matt [who gets a terrible sadistic joy out of playing Lemmings ...]

Well exploding little furry animals is OK ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:19:27 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <17v3e3INNflg@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> ... then yesterday
>was my 21st birthday (Anyone want to hug me? *hint*) 

Love to.  'Course, I did, in person, only a few days ago, but that
needn't stop unrestrained e-*hugs* - so have a bundle (redeemable in
person, of course :-)

>Mike seems to gather very nice people around him (with me as the
>possible exception)

Garbage, Roy! :-)  I make no exceptions.  I'm real picky about my
friends just now (something to do with making a giant step forward
in my self-understanding, and only wanting the company of people who
can help me get deeper into these new things).  I didn't meet anyone
in San Francisco I didn't like, and you can deduce the fact that you're
no exception from the length of time we spent chatting (<.1% of the required
amount, I may add).

Mike, in no-holds-barred flirting mood
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: The ??? Between Us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:07:04 GMT

In article <HOPKINS.92Aug31013038@delta9.turing.ac.uk> hopkins@turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins) writes:
|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
|>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
|>|cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
|>|>>If you haven't guessed, Orc admits to being a wee bit implusive...
|>|>Proposing marriage [...]
|>|
|>|He's incrediably fickle, you know. He tried that one on me too.
|>|
|>|I did, of course, accept.
|>Wait, didn't you propose marriage to me??
|You're still going to have my baby, aren't you?

   Well, yes, but you've already *said* you weren't the marrying kind, so
I've resigned myself to living with the, um, other benefits of knowing you.

                 __
   david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: National Australian groups (was Re: Bi pamphlet)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:45:13 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

[alt.polyamory taken out of Newsgroups: line]

db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>[about Bi groups]
>>   No national ones either. 8-<
>>
>>   I've had reports of a group in Perth, but that's it.
>
>Not so!  There is a Western Australia Bisexual Network, who publish
>a good newsletter, and they're organising the first national conference
>in October this year.  I'd give you more information, but any info
>I've got is buried at the bottom of a box, along with everything else.
>If you send me some mail I'll try and send you some info when I've
>sorted myself out again.  In the meantime, try contacting that group
>in Perth.

   Yes, Kay pointed this out to me a while back. But Perth is the
wierdest place to hold a National Conference. 8->

   But there's still not a national *group*. (That I know of).

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf)
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:58:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.194315.28091@ecst.csuchico.edu> pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.142706.3209@sci.kun.nl> janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep01.173148.5825@ecst.csuchico.edu> pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep1.150951.19367@sci.kun.nl> Olaf the wild writes:
>
>Steph notices that she's put herself in the middle of TWO Olafs.
>Imagine that if you will...

And now I'm also between two of you! Maybe that's the real meaning of
being bi... *grin*

>>Right. Except that it's only 2 days and crossing the Channel for a 3rd
>>time in one year just might be a little too much. On the other hand,
>>some nice and interesting (in the meaning as attached to the Norwich
>>conference, of course) ideas to do things afterwards with people in or
>>near London just might convince me.
>>
>Well, I'm sure we could come up with something!

I would love it!

>Hey, are you going to come up here for a visit?  Do you have pictures
>from Norwich?

Yes, absolutely, and yes, but the film isn't full yet. I did make some
30 pictures, I think, and most of the time I even remembered to ask
in advance if it was ok that I did it. After a while I only had to look
vaguely in someone's direction and they started to say that yes, I could
make a picture, or else they started engaging in strange acts like
balancing cans of coke on their foreheads...

>*hugs*

Aha! Now I can't do any less than some *hugs* _and_ *licks*!

>Steph
-Olaf
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  janhen@sci.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:10:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug23.192833.6408@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
+our busy with each other.)  I admit I haven't done my share of flirtation
+and light fluffy conversation -- can I make it up to you all somehow ? ;)

How about, "Hi I'm Fluffy, 38 from Chicago,... ".
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: objectification
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:40:04 GMT

bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick) writes:


>In article #11935,cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
>writes:
> 
>>>>
>In <1992Aug24.231235.8496@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
>bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick) writes:
>>[...] Couple that with general insecurity and a latent thread of
>>misogyny amongst some gay men [...]
><<<
> 
>>> Would you care to expand on these claims? Just in case 
>>> you don't know what I'm on about... the phrasing of the 
>>> above suggests that "general insecurity" and "misogyny" 
>>> is more common among gay men than heterosexual men (and 
>>> probably bisexual men too). Did you really mean to
>>> say this? (If so, I'd love to hear you back this up.) 
>>> Or did you mean something else entirely?
> 
I guess I don't want to comment on whether I think gay men are more
mysogynistic than straight, as I think y`all as a breed are pretty 
terrible.  However I have come across some very serious mysogyny
from A-list type gay white males.

> 
>Proof?  I have heard too many "fish" jokes/quips/comments.  There
>are many gay establishments where I am not "proofed" (asked for
>ID) unless I am with women.  

Ditto.  I got so tired of the fish jokes that I stopped hanging out
with alot of the GWMs I knew.  I don`t go into boy bars and I only
go to certain boy clubs.  Why?  Because I got harassed by boys on a
couple of occasions.

>  Despite the persistent lobbying of lesbians, people
>of color, and other disadvantaged groups, there still remains
>a very elitist undercurrent of supremacist, white, wealthy men
>who want nothing, and have nothing to do with women.  Perhaps
>the current leadership of the 'movement' is doing OK with these
>issues, but that doesn't mean that there can be any lapse of
>vigilance.

In the fight for gay rights lesbians have often been forced into traditional
female roles.  Addressing envelopes and making the tea and sandwiches.  I`ll
see if I can find you some references in lesbian literature for that.  

One recent example I saw of typical GWM misogyny was in a review of Basic
Instinct in the Sentinel (Bay Area Gay paper).  The male reviewer claimed
it was a movie with strong role models for women : why? because there was
one small bit part where a woman told the cops to bug off and leave her
alone.  Duh............

My general impression is that there are a selection of elitist GWMs who would
like to confine women to their traditional gender roles.  They like to
think of women as pretty objets d`art with which they can decorate their
rooms for the occasional party.

So sue me for some generalization -- I don't think all gay men are like this.
But I have certainly come across some that are.

Iseult.
> 
>                 s. kendrick
>a proud memeber of the cultural elite.
> ###
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:19:57 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <3187@isgtec.isgtec.com>, nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett) writes:

> OK - this is an Offer You Can't Refuse - all posters to soc.bi that visit
> me in Toronto (Ontario Canada) will be treated to a box of wonderful
> hand-made Belgian chocolate that are made about 2 km from my house.  Of
> course, hugs, cuddles etc etc are included in this offer.

I'm planning on visiting Canada in 1994 so I may take you up on this if the 
offer still holds bi then, thank you.

Belgium is in *Canada*? It it's Tuesday this must be Toronto :-)

///Peter
From: grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The ??? Between Us
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:13:09 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) wrote...
> >  However, the *Really* *Big* *Whisk*, now that's something that's got
> >immediate and practical uses, at least if I can avoid giggling....
> 
> Your wisk is decidedly bigger than mine...


It is... it's *huge*!!!! :-) (But in proportion...<smirk>)

However, Ellen, I think you wisk better than he does...
<smile>

(pauses to wonder how the wisk would work in the hottub...)


Grant 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: objectification
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:32:29 GMT

In <1992Aug25.171208.25742@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick) writes:
>(Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>(Steven A. Kendrick) writes:
>>>[...] Couple that with general insecurity and a latent thread of
>>>misogyny amongst some gay men [...]
> 
>>Would you care to expand on these claims? Just in case 
>>you don't know what I'm on about... the phrasing of the 
>>above suggests that "general insecurity" and "misogyny" 
>>is more common among gay men than heterosexual men (and 
>>probably bisexual men too). Did you really mean to
>>say this? (If so, I'd love to hear you back this up.) 
>>Or did you mean something else entirely?
> 
>Of course I meant what I said, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.

I know you meant what (you thought) you said but you still haven't
answered my question, i.e, did you mean what *I* thought you meant?
(The reason I asked in the first place is that the phrasing and context
of your original statement was ambiguous.) If I am to take your above
sentence as a "yes" then you are saying that "gay men are *more*
misogynistic than straight men are."

But your next two sentences seems to contradict this.

>And when I say _some_, I mean that, too.  In general, though,
>gay and bi men are much better about womens' issues than most
>strayt men.

My guess (and this seems to be backed up by the experiences you
discuss) is that you wanted to say that (i) "_some_ gay men are
misognistic" rather than (ii) "(in general) gay men are more
misogynistic than straight men"

If, as I think, you meant (i) then I agree. In fact, I would be
surprised if gay (and bi) men were significantly *less* misogynistic
than straight men. (On the other hand, if you meant (ii) then tell me
and I'll reread your posting in that light.)


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Mr Right
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:07:12 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>>   I was having an awfully long talk with Coe the other day,
>
>She tells me that you managed to keep her up until 5am.  And without
>even touching her.  Not bad.

   Heh heh...talking to her today, she said she hadn't yet mentioned to
you that we'd had *another* even longer talk the day after...we were
chatting away and she looked up and said "Oh, it's light outside...". 8->

   But ask her about the heater! Ha ha ha!


>>I diffidently pointed out that if there *was* some hypothetical
>>male that was supposedly good enough to turn the heads of lesbians, I'd
>>sure like to meet him!
>
>Me too.  (I think).

   I don't mind sharing... 8-P

Joe.

PS - another hello to my friend in Stanford, since they liked my last
     one in alt.polyamory so much... 8->

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Lovely things found in my mailbox
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 21:30:19 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: trainspotting
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:48:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.221219.22221@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>   Obviously, I didn't leave a good enough impression when I last visited.
>I'll have to do better ("Wild-eyed American arrested while trying to hijack
>Beyer-Garratt from railway museum."  "Melbourne trolley taken for joyride
>by typical citizen of surviving superpower."  "American run over my
>Alco C636 while trying to snap pictures of mining train") next time I'm
>on the other side of the world.

"Mysterious hot tub discovered on rapid transit light rail.", "Engine
driver discovered bound and gagged."

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:22:26 GMT
Followup-To: world
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:

[about placement in attributions - I can see I've started a fashion with
this! 8->]

>janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf) writes:
>>pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:
>>>Olaf the wild writes:
>
>Steph notices that she's put herself in the middle of TWO Olafs.
>Imagine that if you will...

   Some are imagining being in the middle of just one Olaf. 8->

   [Coe - I'm getting quite as outrageous as you!!!]

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)