From: LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET (Public-Access Computer Systems Forum)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pacs-l
Subject: November Internet Hunt, Pt. II
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:51:14 GMT
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From: lb05gate@UCSBUXA.BITNET (Rick Gates)
Subject: November Hunt Results
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 2. (7) I'm hooked on the Usenet, and I've got a great idea for a
 new newsgroup.  Where can I find the steps I need to follow to
 put my machine on the Usenet?

Winner's Answer

      Use WAIS.  Telnet "QUAKE.THINK.COM" and select
      "JIK-USENET [pit-manager.mit.edu]. It is
      currently no. 170 (10/31/92).
      Pick keywords "Usenet newsgroup steps" to search.
      Among documents retrieved is the document which
      will do what you want:
      Jonathan Kamens, "How to become a Usenet site."
      You can request it to be sent to you by mail by
      selecting it and typing m (for mail) and then
      putting in your address when requested.
      Alternatively, ftp a copy from pit-manager.edu
      cd pub
      cd usenet
      cd news.announce.newusers
      get "How_to_become_a_Usenet_site."

Other Answers
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 anonymous ftp to   : pit-manager.mit.edu
          login:        ftp
         password:    <your own email address>

 go to directory:  pub/usenet/news.admin
 and get the file:       How_to_become_a_USENET_site

 In that same directory are more files that will help a starting
 usenet manager.

(Rick: Several folks suggested retrieving this, and other postings
from certain Usenet newsgroups.  Though this is certainly a solution,
I judged accessing J. Kamen's file from the FTP site a better
solution.  This is due to the fact that not all newsgroups/newreaders
make certain postings permanent.  Most newgroup postings have a
regular expiration date.  When I tried to retrieve this posting it was
listed as expired.  In order to get the information, I would have had
to wait until the file was posted again.)

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  3. (4) Hi, I'm learning to the play the guitar, and someone told
 me that there's a place on the network where I can get guitar
 chords for lots of different songs.  What I'm looking for
 specifically is the music to a song by the Indigo Girls called
 "Closer to Fine".

Winner's Answer

      Use anonymous FTP to ftp.nevada.edu.
      cd pub
      cd guitar
      cd Indigo-Girls
      bin
      get CloserToFine.crd
      get CloserToFine.tab

      You will find the guitar chords in both of these versions.
      The .crd file looks a little more recent; it also includes
      words to the song.

Other Answers
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 USC-Math Gopher Service:
 Multitopic/Music/Music Archives (cs.uwp.edu)/Guitar TAB files from
   ftp.nev.edu.edu/Indigo_Girls/CloserToFine.Tab and CloserToFine.crd
 (Tablature and chords are included in these two files)

 ("archie -s closertofine" works nicely, too, returning FTP'able sources)


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 ftp to clouso.crim.ca, cd /pub/guitar/Indigo_Girls
 get CloserToFine.crd

 archie was used to find "indigo", using "archie -slt indigo"

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 Keys: chords, guitar, Indigo Girls, Closer to Fine
 Ideas: Having been around the Internet [there's no substitute for random
 explorations], I knew that there was a lyric database on WAIS and WWW, but
 rechecking these confirmed that chords were not part of that.  There's always
 Archie, but since I wasn't sure what to put in [prog "guitars"? "chords"?
 "music"?] I fell back, yet again, on Scott Yanoff's list.

 Answer:
 "Guitar Chords/TAB" on Scott Yanoff list
 ftp ftp.nevada.edu
 cd /pub/guitar
 get README and INDEX files
 [consult files, go back in]
 cd /pub/guitar/indigo_girls
 get CloserToFine
 [somewhere in there i set Binary, but I sent it in ASCII as well - I'm still
 working on that distinction - I've had files that I could view in WordPerfect
 but not print off - so close and yet...]

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 4. (7) Hello, I hope you don't mind questions via e-mail.  E-mail
 is all I have here in my department.  I'm interested in getting a
 program called hppscrpt.zip.  I found a description of it in a
 mail message from a listserv that I'm on.  It's at
 wuarchive.wustl.edu and in the /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer
 directory.  I've heard there's a way to issue mail commands to
 get files via ftp.  Where do I request this service, and what
 commands should I use to get this file?

Winner's Answer

      Address email to "ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com"
      The subject can be anything you want to use to
      keep track of it. The text must say:

           connect wuarchive.wustl.edu
           binary
           chdir /mirror2/win3/drivers/printer
           get hppscrpt.zip
           quit

      There are possible variations that this may not
      cover. Before sending a file, check on its location
      by sending email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with
      the text HELP.

 The service is called BITFTP
 This is how to access it :

 send a mail to  :  BITFTP@PUCC.Princeton.edu

 the body of the mail should contain the following lines:

 FTP wuarchive.wustl.edu UUENCODE
 USER anonymous
 CD /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer
 BINARY
 GET hppscrpt.zip
 QUIT

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 Keys: hppscrpt.zip, wuarchive.wustl.edu, /mirrors2/win3/driver/printer
 Ideas: I've finally learned to check Scott Yanoof first, and then look further
 if I have to.  But I didn't. [P.S. For me, this was the neatest question on
 this Hunt - after doing it I found myself wondering why the people at
 decwrl.dec.com would be this nice - I guess I learned something about
 the Internet ethos and good will.]

 Answer:
 MAIL> mail
 To: IN"ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com"
 Subject: [Return]

 Body of Letter:
 help

 [You get a note back explaining to you what you do, and you send a second
 message:]

 MAIL>mail
 To: IN"ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com"
 Subject: November Hunt ?

 Body of Letter:

 connect wuarchive.wustl.edu
 binary
 chdir /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer
 get hppscript.zip
 quit

 [I did this fairly late at night and had the response in what seemed like
 minutes.  Too cool.]

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 5. (2) What's Mark Watson's job at the University of Oregon
 Library?

Winner's Answer

      Mark Watson is Head of the Cataloging Department at
      the University of Oregon Library.
      The easiest way to find that was to use Gopher.
      Telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu and login as gopher.
      If you select phone books, other institutions, and
      then North America, at listing for University of
      Oregon, fill in template, line 1, with
      "Mark Watson" and press return. The rest of the
      information is then available.

      If instead, you choose to go to other gophers rather
      than phone books, you can access the University of
      Oregon gopher which will give you additional info.
      Choosing the entry "Search Ducksoup by keyword"
      and typing "Mark Watson." At this point a menu
      comes up with no. 3 as "Faculty" (taken from
      the /University of Oregon/Catalog/Library)
      Select 3. Faculty, to retrieve an alphabetical list of
      faculty. On scrolling to Mark Watson, his name is
      highlighted, and additional information appears.
           He is Mark R. Watson, Assistant Professor,
           Head, Catalogue Department. His educational
           background is also given.

Other Answers
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 head of the catalog dept.
 (from whois.uoregon.edu 43)

 this one was really hard! how was i supposed to know his middle
 initial was "R"?

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 6. (5) Someone in class today mentioned that the people that run
 the Internet have just put together a bibliography of readings
 for novice users.  I know how to use ftp, but where do I find
 this bibliography?
 (Rick: I included a lot more of these answers than I normally would.
  I want novice users to have access to the wealth of material on
  getting started.)

Winner's Answer

      It is much easier to identify this bibliography by WAIS than
      by anonymous FTP but it can be done both ways.

      By WAIS, telnet quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Select source internet-drafts at nnsc.nsf.net (current
      source number 160). I decided to start with internet-drafts
      since it seemed logical that something new would come out
      first as a draft.
      Pick keywords: novice bibliography
      Top choice is desired document:
      "FYI on Introducing the Internet--A Short Bibliography of
      Introductory Internetworking Readings for the Network
      Novice. (date October 1992)
      file name is: draft-ietf-userdoc2-fyi-novice-01.

      By anonymous FTP, ftp to nnsc.nsf.net.
      NNSC.NSF.NET seemed to be the right place to look for
      something put out by the folks who run the net.
           cd internet-drafts
           bin (get files as binary)
           get index-internet-drafts (to review to pick out
                internet bibiography for novice users).
           get draft-ietf-userdoc2.fyi-novice-01.

      While much harder than wais, anonymous ftp will work -
      just takes longer.

Other Answers
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 This question is sort of vague, but an excellent bibliography on the
 Internet is one edited by Mary Jensen.  You can find it via telnetting
 to liberty.uc.wlu.edu login as "lawlib".  Select option 11 ("Local
 Files") and then option 47 ("Internet Bibliography (Jensen)").
 It can be ftped from liberty.uc.wlu.edu as "/pub/lawlib/internet.bibl".

 There are also bibliographies in many tutoring documents about the
 internet, for instance: Zen and the Art of the Internet, the Bay Area
 Internet FAQ (section 4), the Internet Infoguide (from SURAnet) etc.

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 WAIS comp.internet.library
 Search using keywords "bibliography novice books internet"

 Subject: -17- Are there any books about using the Internet?
 Date: 14 Sep 92 00:00:01 EST

 Yes.  There are a growing number of reference books available on the subject
 of using the Internet.

 TITLE: Zen and the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide, 2nd ed
 AUTHOR: Brendan P. Kehoe
 PUBLISHER: Prentice Hall
 ISBN: 0-13-010778-6
 PAGES: 112
 PRICE: 22.00 $US

 TITLE: The Whole Internet User's Guide & Catalog
 AUTHOR: Ed Krol
 PUBLISHER: O'Reilly
 ISBN: 1-56592-025-2
 PAGES: 400
 PRICE: 24.95 $US

 TITLE: Internet: Getting Started
 SERIES: Volume 1, Internet Information Series
 AUTHOR: [SRI International, Network Information Systems Center]
 PUBLISHER:
 ISBN: 0-944-604-15-3
 PAGES:
 PRICE: 39.00 $US

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 ftp nic.merit.edu  (username: anonymous; password: guest)
 cd introducing.the.internet  (change to that directory)
 get intro.internet.biblio (get the file)

 Note:
 1. This file was created on October 14, 1992.
 2. It is for beginners.  The title is:  FYI on Introducing the Internet---
    A Short Bibliography of Introductory Internetworking Readings
                  for the Network Novice
 3. If you ftp from a PC, or a VAX account, you should change the file
    name so that it fits the file name requirement of the system.  For
    example, from a DOS PC, you should enter the following command to
    get the file.
    get intro.internet.biblio internet.bib

*****End of Part II
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