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From: lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44
Organization: The Dancing Squids of the Poor
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:16:12 GMT

In <1992Nov5.041941.8877@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith):
>>- Ishtar? Tiffany is probably a stage name, but Ishtar?

>Probably her real name.  I'd guess she's been doing floor shows
>ever since she got her start as a temple prostitute, about three
>thousand years ago.

Hmmm, I have another theory on this.

If you look at the sheet that Roger is reading from the names printed are
slightly different from those that he calls off for the next set. Instead
of Ishtar is the name Cat. (Looks like Cat. Could be Cal, I suppose.) 

OK, what do we know about Ishtar as a movie? It wasn't very funny, 
it was way over budget and it was almost a year late. 
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Writer's block is being unable to come up with
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  a four line .sig file and being reduced to  
   Have yet to go to the   |  looking at Sunday newspaper coupons in hopes
      Mall of America      |  of finding something."  _The Death of Mr Peanut_
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From: csg194@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Morph)
Subject: Re: SLAINE/TRIAL OF VENOM
Organization: The Armpit University SF Society
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:04:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.031653.28972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sbrown@nyx.cs.du.edu (Simon Brown) writes:
>
>I was browsing through November 1992 issue of HEAVY METAL and noticed that
>(in the back issues list) Simon Biz did a SLAINE story in the JANUARY 1991
>issue.  Did he do any other SLAINE stories ?

Yep. He did the three-book "Horned God" series. It's serialised in 2000AD
and Heavy Metal, and is available from Fleetway as three tpb's. 
Very nice stuff, from the days when Pat Mills could still write... :-(

>I was at my local comic shop the other day and happen to pick up a coupon
>for the SPIDERMAN special edition: The Trial of VEnom.  But it says on
>the coupon that the offer is valid if u have a US continential mailing
>address.  Does this mean it is not available to overseas readers ?

I'm afraid it does. It'll probably be available from overseas retailers (at 
extortionate prices) sometime after it comes out.

	Morph (who's consoling himself by gazing at the Biz Doom Patrol
	       cover he won in a raffle last month [gloat, gloat])




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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Image guys in DETAILS magazine (October)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:02:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.195450.25907@news.uiowa.edu> mstailey@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael David Stailey) writes:
>            It was another suck up article done by some
>guy who knows very little about comics. Case in point,
>in concluding, the writer makes reference to "Spiderman
>swinging through the streets of Gotham."

Well, except for the misspelling of Spider-Man's name, it is correct.
"Gotham" is a nickname for New York City.


-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Asking Nicely (was Re: Hulk)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:58:05 GMT

In article <Bxo6vo.14B@news.udel.edu> cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>P.S. If you DO bring back Marlo (with soul, I mean), will this be the
>first Marvel couple ever to have both died and brought back? :)

Nope, more like the, oh, 1,897,235,827th couple. See the mid-seventies 
edition of Dr. Strange #13, where the entire Earth gets blown up, then
gets better as do all the people on it...sorta. Good story by Steve
Englehart and Gene Colan.

"High-Temperature-Superconductor Lass and her brother,
Room-Temperature-Fusion-Kid, are watching Bean-Hill-Influence Lad's death
rattle the very cosmos to its foundations." --Tim Maroney
tyg   tyg@Hq.ileaf.com
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From: sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward)
Subject: Re: lsh back issues
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:21:15 PST

tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>In article <sward.721359415@uclagsm> sward@agsm.ucla.edu (Sidne Gail Ward) writes:
>>Adventure 340 and 341.  A sentimental favorite, the first LSH issues I
>>picked up myself off the stands.  They hooked me for life.  Besides,
>>...all, the Bizarro Legionnaire.

>Um, wasn't that the Weirdo Legionnaire, given that DC wouldn't reuse 

You know, even as I posted this in the back of my mind there was this
nagging feeling that something was wrong.  I finally woke up in the
middle of the night with the answer.  Thanks for the correction.

>Personally, I'd go for Adventure 359-360, the Outlaw Legion, which were my
>first issues (well, issue. Didn't see 360 for 10 years or so after getting
>the cliff-hanger ending 359). These were reprinted in one issue circa

Well, I guess I was luckier than you.  I actually didn't pick up #340
off the stands either, my first LSH book was #341.  So I did get the
end and a nifty recap of #340.	

Sidne Ward

sward@agsm.ucla.edu
From: curtis@aries.wistar.upenn.edu (curtis wahlgren)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Tintin Chronology
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:07:46 GMT


Let me correct a mistake I make on the Professor's name in the German translation
(which I get from my son's books by the way) before I cause any rifts in German -
American relations.


|> English (American)  Title  "Tintin"
|>                     Main character - Tintin
|>                     Dog - Snowy
|>                     Captain - Haddock
|>                     Detectives - Thompson & Thompson
|>                     Professor - Calculus
|> 
|> German   Title  "Tim und Strupie"
|>          Main character - Tim
|>          Dog - Strupie  (struppig means shaggy when applied to a dog)
|>          Captain - Haddock
|>          Detectives - the Schultzes
|>          Professor - Calculus

            Professor - Bienlein  (which means little bee)
-- 
Curtis Wahlgren                                        Tuesday, November third
curtis@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu                           Many voted, Bush retired
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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: Messner-Loebs and Sam Keith to Image
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:33:55 GMT

In article <maguire-061192131616@128.149.100.151> maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
>In article <MeydXRW00WBKM2bIxK@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Joe Nathan Haralson, II"
><jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>  Messner-Loebs, the name sounds familiar, what has he written other than
>> the Maxx.
>	  That would be William Messner-Loebs, formerly a writer-artist of the
   [cut to list of William Messner-Loebs' credits that I know something 
about:]
>
>FLASH:  wrote all of the Wally West Flash issues (except for fillers) until
>        Mark Waid took over recently.
>
Not quite. Mike Baron wrote issues 1-14. WM-L wrote 15-61.

>WONDER WOMAN:  just took over as writer with the Special featuring
>Deathstroke.
That's WW Special 1, and he started on the regular series with #63.  
>Not up to his usual standard, IMHO.
>
>JAGUAR: wrote most of the run of this Impact book.
>
Actually, he wrote *all* 14 issues.

>DR. FATE:  wrote the issues where Inza Nelson was Dr. Fate and used the
Messner-Loebs wrote issues 25-41.
>
>EPICURUS THE SAGE:  wrote this, drawn by Sam Kieth (I before E).  2 volumes
>from Pirahna Press.  Extremely funny retelling of Greek legends, including 
>some very funny philosopher caricatures, especially Plato.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Kevin Maguire                         No, not THAT Kevin Maguire
>maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov          I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist

--AST, just tryin' to be helpful.

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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Who edits Image?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:07:25 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov4.184103.88225@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

+>Who edits Image?

	Strange as it may seem, there are cases where people dont have
"editors".  Image is a publishing agreement.  The agreement is basically
that the creators involved create books, bear part of the financial risk
and allow Malibu to print and distribute the books with a cut of the action
going to Malibu but the majority going to the people doing the books.



+>Is there anyone who could say to Lee or LEVIfield that they cannot do another
+>6_member_beat'em'up_cool_STABLE-LEADERtm_xmenripoff team book?  Who decides
+>what gets published?  Are there editors?  Do they collectively decide?  Does
+>Malibu decide?

	Now they are producing better quality material than any of the x-books
published by marvel in terms of art and in most cases (except Leifeld) in
terms of story as well.  Every one of them is doing as good or better work
than they did at Marvel.



+>I hate Image, but I want to know where the madness ends.

	The madness starts with Marvel being run by a no-talent hack, 
Marvel deciding that the story views of an editor like Bob Harris are
are so important that the creator of the x-men is got rid of.  The madness
is marvel continuing to use a ton of characters whose designs came
from the "evil" Liefeld while people are critical of Liefeld for designing
and using similar characters.  Liefeld created them, so now he creates
new characters for image which bear some similarities on the surface.  Now
who is ripping off who?

	None of the people associated with the x-books currently can be 
said to have created them or their look.


	The madness ends with talented creators saying to hell with Marvel,
producing their own books, taking a better share of the profits and 
getting to make more of the decisions about things like inkers and 
colorists.  They also get to control the characters that they create
for good or for bad.

	I dont understand how anyone can "hate" image as each image book
is strictly the creation of the person doing it.  Image is not a traditional
company or a "line" of comics.
	I dont like Rob Liefeld's book, but for example Spawn is the best
thing that McFarline probably has ever done.  There are good image books
and not so good image books depending on your tastes.  As a group they
are for the most part better than most of marvels output.



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From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 Lavender's Blue
	<1992Nov5.183314.12148@netcom.com> <QeyTRVO00VIG0DLMEY@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1992Nov06.234440.27184@edsi.plexus.COM>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:56:53 GMT
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In article <1992Nov06.234440.27184@edsi.plexus.COM> terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson) writes:
>   >solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>   >> A Bowie reference would be far from a "meaningless detail"! But,
>   >> alas, it's not. The anatomist was singing 
>   >> 
>   >>         When I am king, dilly dilly,
>   >>         You shall be Queen.
>   >>         Lavender's blue, dilly dilly...
>
>   Ah, the modern generation thinks they invented everything.  I remember
>   singing this song as a kid -- my grandma taught me.  In any event, _The
>   Great Song Thesuarus_ lists it as a traditional English folksong.

	Actually, I remember something more along the lines of:
		Lavender blue, dilly dilly
		Lavender green
		If I were queen, dilly dilly
		You would be my king... etc.
	of course, that may be just the Disney version...

farewell-
--
Zeeshan Hasan 
zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
OCMR Box 1529, Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074. Phone:(216)775-6447
	"I love mankind... it's people I can't stand!" -- Linus van Pelt
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Zealand comics censor
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:59:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Bill Hastings discussed his work as a censor in New Zealand.

Bill: I'm sure that the editors at Comics Buyer's Guide (the most widely read
of the U.S. general comics fan presses) would love to get a letter from you
with much the same content as what you just told us.  They *might* also be
able to provide you with those press clippings.  (Do you recall *when*
Omaha was passed through your group?  I'm might be able to dig out the
clippings myself, given a date to work forward from.)

Comics Buyer's Guide can be reached at:

	Comics Buyer's Guide
	700 E. State St.
	Iola, WI  54990

(Scary to think I know that address by heart.)

------------------------------
                             |     There were people everywhere, wearing bits
Jim Drew                     | of leather... clothing not even Hollywood could
jrd@frame.com                | dream up.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Ron," I said.  "That guy has leather ram's
"Innocent, but not naive."   | horns, and a cape."
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     "Yeah, he's dressed like thet at all these
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | street fairs.  But wait 'til next month:  me and
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Val'll take you to Hallowe'en in the Castro.
                             | Gives a whole new meanin' to 'Trick 'r Treat.'"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
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From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE)
Subject: Re: SLAINE/TRIAL OF VENOM
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:40:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.031653.28972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
sbrown@nyx.cs.du.edu (Simon Brown) writes:
|> I was at my local comic shop the other day and happen to pick up a coupon
|> for the SPIDERMAN special edition: The Trial of VEnom.  But it says on
|> the coupon that the offer is valid if u have a US continential mailing
|> address.  Does this mean it is not available to overseas readers ?

You can also get it from UNICEF.  Check with the nearest
UNICEF center (there should be one in Denver) and they'll
be charging about $5 US.

Yours Sincerly,
	Julian Castle

////
o-O o o forget the face!
From: chaffee@reed.edu (Alex Chaffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman: More Pointless Ramblings
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:01:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov11.020147.6924
Distribution: na
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov7.213441.27331@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.055315.1858@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
>>	It couldn't be Desire either, because Gaiman's too clever for that.

I didn't read the earlier debate on this point, so forgive me if this is
redundant: One clue arguing in favor of Desire's involvement is the
characters' final thoughts. Ruby was thinking about getting RICH. All her
thoughts revolved around her desires (her virginity, her failed affair, her
ambition). I can't quite recall what Capax was thinking, but he was getting
nostalgic for Mammoths at one point. Might there have been a desire in
his internal monologue? It seems to be Gaiman's style to illustrate the
presence of Desire by the presence of desire. (And, incidentally, delirium
for Delirium -- when she goes into the dancer, the dancer gets sick.)

 - Alex

-- 
Alex Chaffee
chaffee@reed.edu
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From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: new HELLBLAZER reader...needs background...
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:01:58 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <1992Nov11.023034.17267@cheshire.oxy.edu> rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.175315.24482@cs.nott.ac.uk> pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith) writes:
>>>
>>Expect crossovers with the new Tim Hunter ongoing series starting in 93.
>>
>
>	Pardon me, you wouldn't happen to have some information 
>you'd like to share with the Beknighted Masses about the above series,
>would you?
>
>	(E.g., the creators involved, etc.)
>
>Cordially,
>
>Michael S. Rooney

Sorry, all I know is what was in previews. The series is yet to be titled, and is due sometime next year.
I wouldn`t be surprised if Marc Millar is involved. He has been dying to get a DC mature series for ages.
I wish he would finish Saviour first though.

Slainte,
Steve
From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:44:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


  Um, if they can open gateways to the Phantom - er, Bgztl Buffer Zone,
why not just put Earth's population there (where they will neither 
need air, food, nor water) until it's safe, say when they've 
assembled more space arks?  As Elmo is prone to say:  "Sloppy writing."
-- 
==============================================================================
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits"  -  Mark Twain
From: hs0sagg@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (S A G Granville)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DARKSTARS
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:09:40 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

>>>The reason that this story looks intriguing is because of the inevitable 
>>>conflicts that are going to arise between the Darkstars, the GLC and 
>>>L.E.G.I.O.N.  This universe isn't big enough for three police organizations, 
>>
>>I mean, really, it's absurd on the face of it that there were just 3,600 
>>Green Lanterns max for the entire universe, but that's down to around 12
>>total, with only about 2 anywhere other than Earth or Oa at the moment.
>>Legion has been showing some manpower, but not that much and they hire
>>themselves out to specific planets. There's no shortage of opportunity
>>in the universe for another cop organization; the comment above is like
>>saying that the NYC police department is sufficient to handle all police
>>work on Earth.
>>
>But _everyone_ knows the only interesting things happen near Earth.  I
>mean, jeez, there's no other place in the universe approaching Earth's
>importance, is there? <huge :)>
>
>That's my biggest beef with every space opera type comic.  It all takes
>place near or relating to Earth.  It would be so neat to have a space
>comic like Darkstars (which I think has potential, BTW) that had
>absolutely nothing to do with Earth.  Never even see it.  Who cares about
>Earth?  Make up a believable alternate world or galaxy, and focus on the
>inhabitants.  Is Earth really that integral a part of the Universe?  I
>think not.  But then who am I to say?
>
Surely the point of having all stories near earth is becuase we don't
know about any other planets so having them on another planet would
simply lead to the story being exactly the same as on earth execpt with 
different shaped aliens.

Also the best reason for ahving the stories on (or around) earth is that
leaves it open to invovle other superheroes.  The reason LEGION works is 
that they have created an entire interconnected system, not simply alien
policemen doing the same as earth-type policemen with different shaped bodies.

Any replies please E-mail.

Simon.
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From: nicholas@next01csc.wam.umd.edu (Ronnie Simonds)
Subject: Re: Eyes in "Brief Lives"
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:45:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.225602.12048@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David  
Pautler) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.202449.10811@cheshire.oxy.edu> you write:
> > 	As interesting as questions of history in the Dream-Destruction
> > flashback are, we seem to be ignoring an important motif in the arc:  
the
> > role of eyes.  Cf.: Delerium on vitreous humor, followed by Despair's
> > impromptu optic surgery; the "treatise on optics" cojoined with the
> > Corinthian's orang-outan work; the discussion of the eyes of the  
Endless
> > between Del and Dream; etc.  Any thoughts?
> 
> The most perceptive comment on "Brief Lives" I've yet heard.  You're
> definitely onto something, unless Neil decides it was just to provide
> thematic continuity.

I don't suppose anyone recalls when I brought this up shortly after 43 was  
released, and it was roundly ignored without a whisper of followup? I  
didn't think so.  :)

I was going to suggest a comprehensive list of 'eye' allusions for the  
Sandman Annotations, but after 44 I realized this would be LONG. :)   
There's at least one on every page, I think, but haven't looked carefully.

Note that in addition to the obvious verbal references, there's a number  
of visual ones (appropriately enough!); eyes are drawn in various unusual  
ways at several key scenes.  The most obvious example (which I gave in the  
original post on this topic) is when someone is kissed;  the way  
character's eyes are drawn changes dramatically on at least two occasions.   
The first occurs when Destruction kisses Despair, and the second when  
Delirium kisses the Dragon outside Dream's palace.

-Ronnie "Tosses his hat into the ring to see if it sinks again" Simonds
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Sandman 44 (SPOILERS)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:06:52 GMT

In article <BxAvI4.C0w@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> schmburg@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg Schomburg ) writes:
>rauchfuss@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Brian Rauchfuss) writes:
>
>
>>My stray thought was that it was *because* Destruction deserted his post that
>>Delight became Delirium.  That the loss of one of the endless warps the
>>universe, destroying the balance that use to exist.  
>                          ^^^^^^^
>
>Destruction abondoned his post at the dawn of the industrial revolution.
>Could it be that humanity, with warlike tendencies and machines
>of war to multiply thier proclivities a thousandfold, has been in
>effect ASKING for destruction throughout recent history?  Perhaps
>Destruction just plain got sick of humanity and is ignoring 4
>billion screams for annihilation?     

Spoiler

Again, it seems obvious to me that the reason Destruction left is 
because he saw the coming of the nuclear age and didn't want to 
take part in another sequence of global destruction. His comments in 
#44 make that pretty clear.
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