From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Turks Cannot Even Count 'Turks' Who Are Permanent Residents, 'Zagros.'
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:36:00 GMT


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madjdsad@aludra.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi)

>I am neither ignorant nor a liar.  Haven't you heard of the "fluid border"?

Don't underestimate yourself, 'Zagros the Aryan.'

>Also the Kurds have not been going back to Iraq like you claim -- the problem
>for Turkey is that many of the Kurds have been moving between Turkey and Iraq
>continuously since last year.  I say it is between 1 and 2 million, mostly
>women and children, who keep running across the border every time Sadaam
>Hussein starts attacking Kurdish villages.  

I thought the Kurds in Iraq were better off. Confused 'Zagros Cavus?'
Hypocrisy?

>be killed....  The fact is that many don't go to the camps but instead stay
>in the mountains.  It is YOU who is the ignorant one if you think that these
>Kurds aren't going to keep coming back to Turkey unless Sadaam is taken care
>of.  In fact, they are likely to become permanent residents of Turkey unless
>something is done in Iraq to ensure Kurdish safety.

The national means for caring for the refugees simply do not exist.
The Turks in the same areas are barely making it. The refugees 
themselves are not income generating. They are a public liability 
for the Turks. How about California?

>>    TR's Kurds have 50M Turkish friends in TR.

>The Kurds have no Turkish friends -- the Turks proved that by subjecting the
>Kurds to a terrible status until 1991 in denying them the right to speak
>Kurdish, the right to practice their culture and the right to call themselves
>Kurds.

And you were utterly humiliated on that (repeatedly so.) If you think
that this 'clears things up' for me or anyone else, you must also
believe that 'Aryan' aliens from outer space come to earth regularly
and abduct 'Aryan Kurds' for medical experiments. 

>As I have stated before and will state again and again, these numbers
>are ESTIMATES.  I will be happy to exclude all Iraqi Kurds from my estimate if

It was simply a lie, 'Zagros Cavus.' In sum, Turkiye would be housing a 
time bomb insurrection at the expense of the Turkish common folk and 
receive nothing but complaints from the world's so-called 'humanitarians.'

>you wish (I am reasonable and willing to accomodate semi-coherent argument --
>that is an indication of an individual who is willing to admit that he may not 
>be perfect, so don't accurse me of lying or ignorance; if you would show the

You must review your comments for any of us to take you seriously.

>the period 1924-1990.  Now who is the LIAR?  Turkey can't even count Kurds
>which are PERMANENT RESIDENTS; how the hell are you expecting them to count
>Kurds who are transients?  Any skills in lying, we learned from you.

Turks cannot even count 'non-Aryan' Turks who are permanent residents, 
'Zagros-ian.' Now, where were we? The Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial 
Patriots) was the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was 
based in Boston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) 
but had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally
Tzeghagron means 'to make a religion of one's race.' The architect
of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian
who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II.
In 1933, he had ben invited to the United States by the Central
Committee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the 
American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local
Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20
chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters
and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization.
Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy:

 "The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity.
  Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first."[1]

[1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), "The
    Armenian Displaced Persons," in 'Armenian Affairs,' Winter,
    1949-50, p. 19, footnote.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)