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From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:39:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


  Hmmm.  I have fought a bunch of Ansteorans and I don't think that they
differ much in blow strength or calibration from the Outlands.  Calontir and
Atenveldt seem about the same as the first two as well.  Where I HAVE noticed
a difference is An Tir and Atlantia, fighters from these two kingdoms that
I have met tend to come in full plate kits and hit REALLY hard and only take
really hard shots.  Is this possibly a case of escalating calibration and
armor compensation running open loop?  I don't know, its just my observation.

Kevin
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Tents and such
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:15:52 -0500

Morana Revel (STUMILBY@EKU.BITNET) writes:

 > Could some kind...helpful...knowledgeable soul...experienced soul
 > send me a survival guide to pennsic...on anything from tents..
 > (purchasing, cost, construction, materials etc) to cooking and
 > cookware (I collect iron pots) appropiate dress and what to bring.

Sounds like time for the annual post of Bart's Pennsic Thingy.  Who usually does
that?
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Disenchantment
Date: 10 Apr 1992 15:54:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <702864026.F00006@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
>
....
> Tell them that you wouldn't know of such things, but have heard tell
> that it exists in the far-off Kingdom of Mundania... 

Except that, as I understand, "Mundania" is a place-name in the endlessly
self-referential novels of Piers Anthony (whom I cannot abide, but my
husband and son read everything the varlet writes).  Seems to mention
such would be a worse "culture shock" than simply to refer to the
20th century.

Maybe there is a phrase we could use instead? that would indicate "the
mundane world" unobtrusively and without referencing a clutch of books
that by comparison make late 20th-century America look like The Enchanted
Ground?  I invite suggestions.


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:43:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Rialto & Groups; Persona & Classes; East & West; Fido & Returns
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: kinsey@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)
Subject: Re: pasta
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:51:05 GMT
Reply-To: kinsey@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)

In article <9204101803.AA17754@math.bu.edu>, jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes:
|> 
|> Lin Yin Ho asks:
|> 
|> >About pasta...  Is it a fourth-grade-geography hangover, or did Marco
|> >Polo really bring back and popularize the idea of noodles from China?
|> 
|> I've heard this same story, in _both_ directions.  However, there's
|> something that feels wrong about it, since there are enormous
|> differences in the way Easterners and Westerners _eat_ noodles.  For
|> example, no proper Italian would ever think of a plate of spaghetti as
|> being a real meal.
|> 
|> It was probably a case of independent inventions; contrary to PC
|> beliefs, it _does_ occur.
|> 
|> Fujimoto


A couple of weeks ago I was watching a segment of the Frugal Gourmet
on PASTA.  As he was talking about the history of Pasta, he said that
it was not Present in the time of the Roman Empire, but that is was
present in Italy before the time of Marco Polo.

Has anyone else seen this episode.

Euriol of Lothian
.
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: HELP NEEDED from Boulder or New orleans (or both)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 07:00:07 GMT

Hi,  I've been interested in joining the SCA for awhile now, but I don't know how.  A friend of mine belongs to the (I think the word is) shire in New Orleans/
Louisiana, but I've lost touch (I'd be greatful if anyone there would say hi to Francis for me).  I go to the University of Colorado, Boulder, and I know there is a group around here but I don't know how to go about finding it? Any help 
would be greatly appreciated.


----Todd Kogutt

P.S. please pardon the mundaneness of my .sig
-- 
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get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
From: 0003900943@mcimail.COM (Marla Lecin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Vowels for Wales
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:33:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings unto the Rialto, from Jessa d'Avondale!

Back in A.S. 21, we ran a "Vowels for Wales" ad in the April issue
of our Baronial newsletter.  I don't remember where the idea came
from, (or if we originated it), but it was reprinted a year ago in
"Not Necessarily the Pikestaff", so that might account for its
popularity in Carolingia.  The ad went:

	UYDDGHLMNWDLLNDGHWYDDTHLLDDY

Does this name look pathetic to you?  Well, just be grateful that you
come from a rich and fertile land, one that produces an abundance and
can afford to trade for such niceties as VOWELS.  Rather than belittling
our more unfortunate brethren for the afflictions of their homelands,
we should instead try to help them.  So, we at the Mudguppy have created
"Vowels for Wales", a non-profit foundation dedicated to doing just that.
If you have any vowels you don't really need, send them in.  (Robin
Argyll de Couer Aile offered to surrender the "o" and "u" out of "Couer",
but we suggested that he use them in "Argyll" instead.)  If you don't
have extra vowels, the VFW is also taking monetary donations, as we have
heard rumors of some contest in the Kingdom of Caid where one can actually
BUY vowels!

[From "The Mudguppy", the April Fool's issue of the Barony of Settmour
Swamp's "Mudpuppy".  Co-editors: Mitchell MacBain, Jessa d'Avondale,
Aleksandra de Accipitre, and Robin Argyll de Couer Aile.]

Also found elsewhere in the same issue:

	F Y CN RD THS Y MST B WLSH


--Jessa
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:40:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

Robert.Fitzmorgan@f213.n170.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Fitzmorgan) writes:

>                                                         It's kinda  like
>throwing a deliberate cup shot.  It's legal but it's not very nice.

  That is the one shot that I purposely throw light!  

;*)

Kevin
From: rick@kepler.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Rick Meneely)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: polearms vs. shields
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:46:30 GMT

From article <9204081112.aa22985@mc.lcs.mit.edu>, by MPFOSTER@mtus5.cts.mtu.EDU (Wulfgar Silberbar):
> Just look at the Spanish (?) short sword
> and buckler troops against the Swedish pike and halberdiers. 
                                 ^^^^^^^
                                 Swiss

Not to be picky, just thought I'd clarify.

					- Anatar

+ Rick Meneely  rick@ATC.Olivetti.Com | "Now if we can only teach these      +
| Olivetti Advanced Technology Center |  elephants to say 'dead from behind'"|
| Cupertino, CA                       |   - Hannibal (well..Herbie Hannibal) |
+ Disclaimer: Someone's been typing at MY keyboard...and it's STILL warm!    +
From: Stuart.Tingle@f43.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Stuart Tingle)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: re: M word
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:10:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/43 - U of S Computing Se, Saskatoon Sask

Greetings unto the rialto and all who stand upon it. 
 
So it has finaly happened. The SCA has the pole tax and Autocrats 
must be members. Why don't we just stand at the door and strip  
search every one for membership cards while were at it. 
In our group the majority are either students or unemployed. I am 
the latter due to injuries sustained that make it difficult to find 
work and therefore cash. Most of us doe not have memberships. 
Over the last ten years I have autocratted many events and have never 
taken the time off to just play the game. I have always been working. 
I believe I have done a lot more than our few members who can afford 
the twenty six odd bucks to get our little bit of paper. Now I can 
not help. I ENJOY Autocatting and working at the events. now my best 
friends, our regional scenchal and our shires senechal are put in 
the position of having to either force money out of me, force me into 
for all puposes Quit the sca, or ignore the board of dumbos er directors. 
How many other people who have put in many years in the sca are now also 
going to have to quit doing what they love becouse somebody wants some

more cash? 
 
Fare thee well 
Omar ibn Rashid 
Myrgan Wood 
Avacal 
An Tir 
 
We're living in a dictatorship! A Self perpetuating Autocracy in which 
the working classes....... 
 
... OFFLINE 1.32 

--  
Stuart Tingle - via FidoNet node 1:140/22
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Standard Disclaimers Apply...
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA in SF/Authors
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:03:26 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <9204141554.aa28298@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi) writes:
>
>I have heard that Esther Friesner and Ketherine
>ahem, Katherine Kurts are also SCAdians.  Can
>anyone confirm this?

I don't know about Friesner.  Katherine Kurtz, aka Mistress Bevin Fraser
of Sterling, used to be active; indeed, she was Steward of the Society
for a while.  She is living in Ireland now and I don't know if she's
gotten in touch with the Dublin group or not.  It would be nice....

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: name loophole
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 22:47:09

 Fra Tadhg Liath to all unto Nesta ferch Meriadoc Hartley and all others
 unto whom these presents shall have come greeting:

 SS> tim (time@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org) says
 SS> >One major fly in the ointment is the Mundane Name Loophole,
 SS> > whereby somebody with an undocumentable mundane name can use 
 SS> > parts of it in their SCA name.

 SS> Is there no overriding restriction or could we have:
 SS> "Moonunit of the West"

 In theory, the parts used cannot be "obtrusively modern" - "Moon Unit" is a
 perenially cited example of such. In practice, however, damned near
 anything goes... This silly loophole, which is directly contrary to
 everything that the Rules for Submissions is attempting to accomplish, was
 intruded by Baldwin of Erebor (without any discussion, so far as I am
 aware) when he was Laurel, and has been maintained by loud noise from Caid
 (with occasional reverberations from the east coast) ever since. In the
 middle stretches of the continent (stout heart of the country) it finds
 very little support.

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: kevin%athens.dnet@isi.COM (Keradwc an Cai)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Persona (was Re: Travel,Persona)
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:15:45 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Unto Fra Tadhg Liath and the assembled crowds, Keradwc an Cai sends
greetings.

> I yield to none in my support for more authenticity in the Society, but I
> can't help but feel that playing persona games, doomed as they are to
> failure, merely discourages people who know no better - they think, "Well,
> if this unworkable system is what more authenticity means, who needs it?"
> In that regard, it hinders rather than helps.

Good my lord, I see what appears to be a set of circular reasoning: 
playing persona games is doomed because it can't work because it's
doomed.

While many aspects of 'persona games' do not work in many environments,
they can most easily be made successful in the proper environment. Given
that the example being cited is certainly a valid case. It appears as
though the instructor used a technique to impart a great deal of 
knowledge with a very limited time: she most memorably reminded the class
that the society of which she spoke was NOT identical to our own, but had
limitations on knowledge and choice of action. This point is often overlooked
by the strict egalitarians today. Right or wrong, it DID exist, and WAS a
very important issue in each culture. Ignoring that to make a few passing
-- and presumably useful -- comments on one additional area of knowledge
is often counterproductive. How many of the class would remember the 
details of her discussion? How many would remember the lesson she taught
in the off-hand dismissal of a topic?

Persona is a means to an end. It may not be the end to which you subscribe;
if that is the case, for you it is doomed. For those who use it to achieve
their own goals, and interfere not with others' similar attempts, it is
a valuable tool.

Keradwc (and Kevin)
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 10:46:39 -0400 
From: Rebecca Roolf <rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Help in Gaelic sought
	<1992Apr8.212104.25793@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>

On 09-Apr-92 in Re: Help in Gaelic sought    
user Druid@silver.ucs.indiana writes:
>Speaking of Gealic, does anyone have any suggestions for someone
>interestting in learning the language on their own?  I've done only a
>minimal amount of research on the subject so far, but alas, I've
>turned up nothing.

Well, there are places in the states that you can learn Irish.  In
Pittsburgh, which is a fairly Irish city, there are four active teachers
who offer beginning through advanced classes at the local community
colleges, at University of Pittsburgh and at the Irish Center.  You
might want to check your local community colleges for non-credit courses
in the language -- that's usually where Irish is to be found, not at a
credit university.

If you can't find a teacher, which is of course ideal, I highly
recommend that you get a tape-book course, such as Buntu/s Cainte
(bunt-ous canch-a).  This takes a highly conversational approach. 
However, its grammar is kind of shaky (ie it doesn't ever explain it!) 
I have just bought another book on the subject, Learning Irish
(Mi/chea/l o/ Siadhail), which is highly gramatical, and will probably
complement Buntu/s Cainte and my teachers (who have wonderful spririt,
but are older native speakers who never really got into the new grammar).

A good source for books & tapes is Irish Books and Graphics in New York.
 I thought I had their address with me, but I don't.  I'll have to bring
it in: remind me if I forget.

Finally, I will be teaching an introductory class in "enough Irish to be
polite" at Aethelmearc War Practice, and I may repeat the performance at
the war... if I ever get around to finding out who to contact about
teaching a class, and depending on how the war practice one goes. :-) 
Or, if you are serious about it, email me before the war, and we could
make arrangements to meet.

Bro/nach 




_______________________________________________________________________________
Becka Roolf, Research Associate       Bronach na Darach
College of Fine Arts, SFCI            lover of Celtic music, art, and men ;)
ITeN Project (Interactive Anc. Egypt)           
Carnegie Mellon University            E-Phost as Gaeilge, le do thoil!
Pittsburgh, PA                        Ta Gaeilge beag agam, ach me ag foghlaim!
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Normandy and France
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:02:45 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Someone wrote/asked/somethinged about William the Conqueror and his
fealty relationships with France.  From my fuzzy memory of history, it
was around 966 A.D. that the French King gave the Viking Chieftain
Rollo control over what is now called Normandy, in return for becoming
Christian and ceasing his raids down the Seine.  The feudal
relationship was more futile...

One incident: Norman duke goes to bow before the Capetian King.  He
kneels...grabs the King's foot, and tips the King over backwards.  Not
exactly the normal action of a loyal vassal.

Fujimoto
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: grs07071@runt.appstate.edu
Subject: Why Call Light Blows?
Organization: Appalachian State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:33:00 GMT

Unto the Rialto does Jonathan Blackbow send greetings and salutations, and
sincere hopes that this missive finds you in the best of health, and victorious
from a skirmish which has left your enemies smarting.

I have been AWAY for a while, and have come back to notice that there are still
some of the same complaints as when I left, to wit: that face thrusts and blow
acknowledgement are still a problem.
I believe I may have an effective solution, and beg you to hearken unto my
words.



As my editor has seen fit to screw up, this will have to be rather shorter than
I had intended.  


The concept of 'light' blows was put in in hopes that a fighter would be able
to make a judgement call on the forcefulness of the blow to his person,
correct? and yet there is still a gentleman's rule against using absolutely
full force.  I know, since I am rather large and that sort of thing would get
me in hot water if I just charged out on the field swinging.  
However, it seems to me that the concept of 'light' and this gentleman's rule
are incompatible.  if one wishes to make an effective attack, one must at times
strike with harder force than one would wish to; and yet, when one performs all
the actions necessary to getting through a defense and makes contact and hears
his opponent yell 'light', when everyone KNOWS that the person swinging the
blow didn't HAVE to hold back, in fact was capable of putting enough force into
his blow to seriously incapacitate a person, then yelling 'light', to me, is a
gentleman's cop-out. 

Fellow people, the light rule was created to safeguard bodies, and instead, it
is endangering them.  
What I propose is a trial event or even trial period where ANY blow that makes
contact shall be counted as telling.  This would have the effect of removing
the psychological urge to swing harder and harder after hearing repeated
'light's called.  Thus hopefully removing any urge to swing hard at all, which
would be a GREAT benefit.
Realistically, a man armed with a polearm could, in the middle ages, cleave
right through shields in one or two shots, making it useless; the reson
shieldmen do so well against polearms is because they aren't behaving the way
they really should. it's easy to stand there and take blow after blow from
someone who isn't really trying to KILL you with the force of his blow.
But is this really realistic? does it or does it not take most of the advantage
away from using a polearm?
Excessive force, I agree, is a problem.  I would like to know if this is a
means to a solution.


Jonathan Blackbow
No One In Particular
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Spanish law in CA?
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:05:01 GMT
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In article <9204071726.aa17956@mc.lcs.mit.edu> lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi) writes:

[Please give examples of how Spanish, not English, law lingers in
California.]

I'll give one example that I happen to know about.  Disclaimer: I am not
a lawyer either.

Under English law, if a stream or river runs through your land, you can
do anything you want to with it.  Dam it, use it all up, whatever.  In
Spanish law, you may not do anything that would deprive your downstream
neighbors of water.  California law follows Spanish law in this regard,
whereas (so I'm told) English law is followed in the Eastern States.

It makes sense, you know.  Not only was California first settled by
Spaniards, but water is scarce and valuable in most of California, as
it is in Spain.  Ditto for England/Eastern U.S.: you call it a drought
there (so I'm told) if it doesn't rain for a week.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: bryant@husc8.harvard.edu (Katherine 'Kabeta' Bryant)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Welsh jokes
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:48:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr15.114838.11127
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Good gentles of the Rialto, I give you greetings!

Yaakov HaMizrachi and others have been debating what happened to Welsh
vowels. It seems odd to me -- no one has any problems with the vowels in
my name!  In fact, it's the consonants they have problems with...  Perhaps
the problem is not so much that we Welsh have too few vowels, but that someone
tried to foist off a bunch of extra l's, w's, and y's on us and we had to
put them *somewhere*... <grin>


Gwenllian ferch Madog Llangollen, called "the unpronounceable"!