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From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay names
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:50:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Aug21.135029.11697
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology

In article <alices@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn  
McManus) writes:
> pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus) writes:
> >For guys, there are many names that are considered effeminate or  
gay:

> Sim Aberson has already pointed out that in the Real Gay World,  
Mark
> (or Marc) seems to be disproportionately common, and I can confirm
> that this phenomenon exists here on the right-hand side of the
> Atlantic as well.  I also feel compelled (for reasons known only to
> Frederic Maffray) to add Alex to the list.  Oh yes, Alex.

There was a time a few years back when every Jeff I knew was
gay (and I knew some of them outside the gay community proper
- at work or whatever).  I finally met one who was not gay - but
it took about two years.
 
--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
From: rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Republican Storm Troopers?
Date: 20 Aug 1992 17:43:07 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com
Keywords: election violence & fraud



			Republican Storm Troopers?


[reprinted without permission from the 8/19/92 Boston Globe, page 10]

	AS DEMOCRATS LAUNCH ADS, THEIR GATHERING IS INVADED

		by John Alooysius Farrell, Globe Staff

HOUSTON - The jousting between Democrats and Republicans escalated a notch
here yesterday, as the Clinton campaign began running television ads to
answer the GOP prime-time assaults, and a mob of young Bush-Quayle
allegiants crashed a Democratic press conference.

	The mood at a restaurant near the Astrodome grew tense when the
Bush-Quayle troops, waving signs and shouting slogans like "Inhale This!"
and "Millie not Willie!" surrounded the glass-walled porch on which the
Democratic National chairman, Ronald H. Brown, was previewing the ads for
the media.

	As Brown struggled to be heard over the shouts of "Brown Go Home,"
the young Republicans pounded on the windows and tried to shout him down.
Some waved signs:  "Family Rights Forever, Gay Rights Never."

	....

		**************************************

I think the Democrats, gay organizations and simply you and I walking down
the street better brace ourselves this fall for a level of election fraud
and violence from the Republicans greater than any seen in this century.

Remember that the GOP has a history of outrageous political frauds from
Watergate in 1972, through the 1980 October Surprise, Iran-Contra Gate,
and the 1988 campaign which added forgery to the now common GOP dirty 
tricks conducted by lackeys like Ron Kaufman.

Add to that the violently bigoted new generation of reactionary white
college students, male & female, bankrolled on campus by "conservative"
slush funds, pampered for the professions by rightwing law school faculty
and the Reagan judiciary, and entertained by the video war in the Persian
Gulf.  Mix them with the older and crazier far right and their suburban
neo-Nazi punks and you have a recipe for political thuggery.

					Regards,
					Ron


******************************************************************************
"Pat Buchanan as a keynote speaker?  Pat Buchanan??  I guess the Republicans
 had to settle for Buchanan because they couldn't get the speaker they really
 wanted. Monday must be Satan's bowling night."

"Is Pat Buchanan a bigot?  I don't know, but after he finished his speech and 
 stepped down from the podium, he got into a fist fight with Geraldo."

					- Arsenio Hall, last night
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Quilt
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:52:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.205254.6359
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <64444@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>:Especially if it has a teddy-bear sewn on it.
>>A *BIG* *BURLY* *TEDDYBEAR* . With chaps.
>And a yellow hankie....  ;-{)##]
 
But George, THAT (actually chaps, too) would be pretty funny.
I'm all for anything that transfigures the maudlin into the self-
consciously ridiculous.

Speaking of chaps, I was at dinner this week with a friend and a FOAF,
a very nice man, BTW, who asked me ever so casually, "What leather club
do you belong to?"

I almost choked on my burrito.  I suppose it was rather rude to be
so astonished.  No one ever asked me that before.  Snif.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Anti-discrimination clauses at work
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:41:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug20.014140.26292
Organization: Western Washington University


	For the list of places of employment with anti-discrimination
clauses:   I just recieved a copy of the harassment policy for
Consolidated Electrical Distributors, Inc. where I work part-time.  As of
July 24, 1992 (and possibly previously,) sexual orientation is included as
a protected characteristic against which discrimination is prohibited. 
Email me if more info is needed for the list.

-- 
Joy Ralph
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu

- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:33:12 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug23.095752.11733@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <1992Aug23.033436.18138@microsoft.com>
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>>I have seen "less butch" gay men give the straight-acting
>>ones a ration of shit

>But I can never be where whether it is supposed to be 2
>tablespoons or 2 teaspoons.  Anyone remember?

Nelson, I do despair.  How will we ever make a proper fairy
of you if you don't know these things?  The proper amount of
the key ingredient in Souffl'e a la Merde (aka Hot Air
Sargol) is one small, round, *extremely* hard turd!

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:12:08 GMT


In a previous article, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) says:

>ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>>>>>I think everyone should serve in the army for a year unless they are
>>>>>a concientious objector in which case they are forced to fill
>>>>>potholes in Boston roads for a few months.
>>>>Sounds OK to me.
>>Oh?  How would it sound if it included women in equal participation with men?
>
>Exactly the same.  I can fill a hole as well as any man in soc.motss.
>
>[*snap*]
>
Sorry, dear.  While your responce is correct, the majority of the american
public would disagree.  
Most say while it's perfectly legitimate to take young men, husbands and
fathers away to distant lands to fight and die everytime some politician
gets pissed off at another, to send youg women, wives, and mothers would be
barbaric.

Even one of the primary hawks of the republican party (Rep. Robert Dornan)
says the following:

	"You can have my sons.  But you'll have to get by me and this 
	 shotgun to get my daughters."

My previous statement was not intended to imply that women could not do the
job as well as men, but to illustrate the inequity of the draft.  

BTW, personally, I don't feel women should be drafted.  I don't feel they
belong in combat.

I feel the same way about men, though...
-- 
*...your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist // "Peter...PETER!!  I can see    *
*      the KelleyMan:Kelley L. Miller // your house from here!"          *    
*                  ae642@yfn.ysu.edu // Jesus Christ, from the cross     *
****************Know God...No peace.  No God...Know peace.****************
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:11:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.005224.24183@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>But Sargon the Butch is
>*quite* a lot dumber than your average pig.

Well, he's dumber than a piece of rope, too, but allow 
me to point out that pigs are slothful, greedy, and
cannibalistic.  I can live with the analogy.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sexual attraction
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:43:40 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Of course, I cannot speak for anyone else, but to me all those
>males who don't fit my template aren't opportunities at all to
>begin with.

I don't usually think of myself as having ``types'', though there are some
clearly discernable trends in my tastes.  But what I find strange is every
once in a while when I see a man who, perhaps, I think *ought* to look
attractive to me, and the idea of a sexual relationship with him seems
completely alien.  Maybe something in me feels like I ought to find all men
(well, maybe everyone) at least somewhat attractive....

As with Robert, my ideas of physical beauty are inextricably linked with my
experience (or suspicions of) what lies inside:  maybe I'm obsessed with what
motivates people, how they fit together, where they come from.  Anyway,
physical touch is bound for me with intellectual (?) abstraction.

On the way into the department this morning I passed someone who, probably
since I first met him, has had a really profound physical effect on me.  It
could be the fairly long, golden hair; the cleanshaven, shining (somehow?)
face; the soft-spokenness and faint smile.  It could, of course, be my gaydar
going crazy.

BTW, thanks to Furr and others for giving me my first real (if brief)
introduction to Bears.  I'd really only seen pictures of them before and maybe
a few of them in zoos, where, removed from their natural habitat, they
languished.  (Hmm, come to think of it, when I was younger, I was into Large
Stuffed Rabbits much more than Teddy bears....)

Joel,
        the rabbit lover
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: New queer terminology (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:32:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Distribution: na

In article <4597@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.225820.13089@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
>writes:
>>Is "queer" postmodern?
>
>Is "postmodern" queer?
>
>Is the signified the signifier?

"How can we know the dancer from the dance?"

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: doretta@agora.uucp (Doretta Schrock)
Subject: Re: Credit Union Memberships for Domestic Partners?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:21:00 GMT

In article <11AUG92.17590300@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, hartley@centerline.com (Timm Hartley) wrote:
>>In article <1992Aug6.173732.5039@agora.uucp>, doretta@agora.rain.com
>>(Doretta Schrock) wrote:
>>> 

So far several of you boys have written to tell me you can't imagine that
there would be any problem getting my partner a credit union membership.
Not only can't you imagine it, you're just sure I must be mistaken.

Get a clue, kids.  Do you really think I'd have made that posting without
bothering to check?  Susan and I do have a joint account at a local bank.
But credit unions are not like banks in that they have membership requirements.
In this case, the requirements are that a person be an employee of one of a
set of particular companies or be a relative of such an employee in order to
join the CU.  

I checked with them about domestic partners rules and was informed that the
rules do not currently allow for such people.  I was furthermore informed that
if I wanted to change that I would need to make a written request to the board
of directors.


There are a few of you guys who could definitely benefit from asking yourselves
why you were so sure I didn't know what I was talking about.

Doretta
doretta@agora.rain.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Interrobangs (was Re: gay liberation)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:35:47 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <7=0m2-b.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (well girded Jack Hamilton) writes:

>>(When is the interrobang going to be added to the ASCII character set?)

>are you a typography queen? Wanna design a character? I don't even
>have it in my default X font.

This is faaaabulous--I don't think I've heard the term since, gawd, the
early '70s maybe?  I thought the idea had died.  I'm glad to see it 
hasn't; it would be a FAVorite punctuation mark in GLBO writing were it to 
come into currency...

Now, I *ask* you, girlfriend, am I *wrong*?!

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 18:16:34 EDT
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject:    re: Deeper Master! Take It Bitch!


In article <71345@apple.Apple.COM>,
stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) asks:

>jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>>
>>Actually, I thought that exchange would make a
>>wonderful subject line.
>>

>But what is the subject?

It's from the Clairol commercial on MTV.

Jack Carroll
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Gay Money and marriages in PA
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:00:56 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) wrote:
>Dallas, the Gay & Lesbian Alliance
>has their very own queer credit union with a credit card - and yes folks,
>_it_ has a pink triangle on it.

Even more importantly, it has the words "Gay and Lesbian" written across
it, so that even the most clueless couldn't miss the message.

(Lesbian was finally added just this year.)

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CFD, Gregg Strom
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:38:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug20.093802.7462
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <15788@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>So, FJ. "Gregg Strom", eh? No wonder you looked, well, dazed shall I
>>say in the Argos.
>
>Jojo, in total honesty, _that_ was because of the news about Rob you 
>told me that night.

My anterior commisure kicked in and informed me that you looked dazed
and googly eyed when you kissed me and said 'bodybuilder', then I told
you I wa strung out over Rob, then you looked stricken. I hardly know
why I'm qualifying the situation.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.215833.10537@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> If it wiggled, I won't eat it.

Just out of idle curiosity, does this include spermatozoa?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Re: Rob Bernardo: Obituary
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Keywords: Rob Bernardo BoldBear obituary
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:13:41 GMT

    Message-ID: <1992Aug16.130300.26015@panix.com> 
    From: lancep@panix.com (Lance Paavola) 

    >I'm just posting the obituary that appeared in Saturday's and Sunday's
    >New York Times:
    >
    >BERNARDO--Robert, on August 13, 1992, at his home in Concord, CA.
    >  Devoted son of Betty and the late Jack.
    >  Beloved brother of Claire.
    >  Good neighbor and loving friend.
    >  Service Monday, August 17th, 9:30 AM,
    >    Temple Emanuel, Hillside Ave., New Hyde Park, NY.

[My attempt looked like:]

Newsgroup: soc.motss
In-Memorium: rob@mtdiablo.concord.ca.us <Rob Bernardo>
Alias: <Rob Boldbear>
Date: 13 August 1992
Organization: Secret Motss Cabal, Unbearably Heavy Reason Division
  Chuck Fisher, Melinda Shore, D. Owen Rowley, George Madison, Steve Dyer,
  Arne Adolphson, Mark Morrissey, Jack Carroll, Jack Hamilton, Jim Wood,
  Cindy Moore, Lance Paavola, Robert Cohen, Robert White, Jim Graham,
  Gerry Swetsky, J. T. Kittredge, Mike Barkley, Frederick Vaughn, 
  Penn Collins, Robert Coren, Elaine Richards, and no doubt many others
Followup-To: /dev/cowboy-heaven
X-Comment: be at peace my friend


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY))
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:02:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.025800.15115@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

>Somehow I can't imagine the same thing happening with a drag queen
>with red feathers and a tiara.  The audience would be so focused
>on the clothing and the affected mannerisms that anything of value
>that was said would be forgotten; it would be too distracting.
>
>Why is that so hard for you to swallow?

You know, one of the greatest things that happened to my mind after I came
out, and became a Queer (I capitalized Q because I just love that letter!)
is to be happy for people who are taking steps towards expressing themselves 
regardless of the problems other people might have with what they express.

It's nothing really IMHO, for people to accept a Nice Republican Log Cabin
Homosexual. But when people can advance to the point where they VALUE the
'drag queen with red feathers and a tiara' Well, then I'm sure we'll be on
the right track...

Can you grok this? Is it hard for you to swallow?

>(me)
>>On the other hand, if the goal is strutting like a bunch of chorus girls
>>and fighting for an audience, I guess they're pretty effective . . .
>
>It takes guts to look someone in the eye and tell them
>that if they don't stop doing [action X], their own cause will
>suffer for it.  It takes a lot of guts to buck the mainstream 
>politically fashionable thinking.

Not that having 'guts' really is necessary all the time, but what about
having the guts to look someone in the eye and tell them they love having
arms shoved up the elbows in their extremely sensitive anal passages?

Takes lots of guts to be diferent...

>Oh, horseshit, Al.  I am not a model for anyone.  

Perhaps not... I'd say unfortunately you probably are.. But what intriques
me more is... who is/was a model for you?
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Programming for the World of Bob Sargol
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:46:05 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug18.023533.28697@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In an earlier posting responding to Sargol, I asked about
>his sexuality.  I've now seen a posting of his saying he's
>gay.

My gawd!  Sarver, it turns out.  :1,$s/Sargol/Sarver/g
Humblest apologies to Steve Sargol, should he still be
around.

-- 
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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Smut"
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:40:34 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:

>amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>[lyrics to tom lehrer's "smut"]

>>Don't let them take it away.           [now *where* did i put
>>                                          _Carnival in Rio_?]

>					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>i don't know about this, but i think i know a furry acorn eater in
>pacifica who can loan you a copy.... or you can borrow mine, of
>course. :-)

Noisy, loudmouthed tart.  No more Chianti for *you*.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

cruising: vidi, vici, veni.
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Utopia (was Re: mandatory service)
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:59:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug13.155936.20065
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Bob Lodenkamper objects:
> *Every* person who was physically/mentally able would do this (so it's
> not indentured service after all, it's only a universal societal norm).
>
>Hmph.  A distinction without a difference indeed.  For certain
>cultures slavery was a universal societal norm.

Really?  Who in those cultures _owned_ the slaves, then?  That's like
a room full of bottoms:  all tied up and nowhere to go.  :)

>Utopias that feature little or no government fail because there is no
>check on the power an evil, greedy or power mad citizen may amass and use. 
>Utopias that feature a massive government fail because state power on such
>a scale will inevitably lead to widespread corruption of the government.

Excellent points for the quote file.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
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