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From: billmar@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (William Martinson)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: the courceracer is dead?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:57:55 GMT
Reply-To: billmar@pyrtech.pyramid.com (William Martinson)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <12600395@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
>In rec.windsurfing, stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen) writes:
>>
>> Next year you might see several cource slalom boards beat the Equipe in
>> marginal conditions in the funboard class (wind limit 11 knots before start,
>> and not under 9 knots during the race).
>
>	I just read that the wind minimum for racing is being lowered.
>	The new wind minimum will be 9 knots.  If there has been no
>	racing during an event, the minimum on the last day will be 
>	lowered to 7 knots.  
>
>	Another change will be with course layouts.  New layouts will
>	be more diverse with mark positioning primarily with spectators
>	in mind.  
>
>	This will most probably bring back the course board to pro racing.  
>	I don't know which organization or how widespread these changes are,
>	but THE major US race - the Corpus Christi US Open - will be this
>	way.
>
>	tom.

I believe the organization you are referring to is the USWA.  At the 
nationals in Hyannis in August they had only 3 official races in 4 days.

Meanwhile the Mistral Nationals racing IMCO boards with 7.4 sails 
completed 10 races in the same time period and was one of the best races
I have ever attended.  Since both events were held at the same site the
same days I hope more change will come to the USWA and wind minimums will
be abolished.  The IMCO class has a loose minimum of 5 knots at the start
along with time limits for a race.  As for me I would rather be on the water
rather than sitting on the beach.

I find it rather ironic that at the Mistral and USWA Nationals that the 
people best equipped for light air racing were sitting on the beach and 
the IMCO fleet was having a great event.

In the 4 days of racing the wind varied from 5 to 21.  In the IMCO fleet we
over half of the fleet either did not finish or start in the 2 windiest 
races.  If we want to maximize participation in racing for all levels of 
competitors 5-15 is about the right range.

Bottom line; for good quality racing and minimal beach sitting start racing
in the Mistral IMCO fleet.

Bill Martinson
US-940
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From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: white surfing
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:01:28 GMT

The snow is falling down in Tromsoe, Norway, but we go surfing as long as
the temperature is above zero. Yes, we know it's madnes! But are you able to
think clear when the wind is blowing, and the summer has been free of wind?

Remember how lucky you are, next time you go surfing.

Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north :-)
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From: chatzi@beauty.asd.sgi.com (Chatzigianis Tony)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in the Greek Islands??
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:04:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.asd.sgi.com

In article <5354@sumax.seattleu.edu>, bedard@sumax.seattleu.edu (Duane Bedard) writes:
|> 
|> Howdy fellow boardheads,
|> 
|> This September I had the pleasure of spending two week on the Greek Islands
|> of Siros, Mikonos and Santorini.  While I had a simply blissful time there
	I was in Greece for 4 weeks this summer (I am from greece originally). 
	I went to Tinos, mikonos, Ios and Santorini. The only place where I found
	a rental place was in Camari santorini. The wind wasn't that great , may
	be 12-15, but they had some fairly good equipment. 
|> was one major point of frustration - Everywhere I went the wind was blowing at
|> least 15 kts and on some occasions it was 20+ kts and yet I never saw any
|> sailors on the water and no real rental outfits.  I did find one beach where
|> a guy was renting chairs next to a mid 1980s vintage poly log which his friend
|> normally rents, however his friend packed up and went home because it was too
|> windy!  I did see a few cars with short boards in Athens but could never catch
|> anyone to ask where they sailed.
|> 
|> So international travelers, whats the deal here?  Was this just a strange
|> occurence of wind in a normally dead area?  Does anybody do high wind (at
|> least 15 kts) sailing in the Greek islands?  If so are there places to rent
|> quality boards which I missed?  Which islands are the windiest?   I would
	I hear Paros is also a good place for windsurfing, with rental places
	but I've never been there. However, the surfing paradise in Greece
	must be Vasiliki. Nice location with 2-3 rental places, one of which is 
	HUGE. I was there for one afternoon ( :-( ) and the wind was great, but
	by the time we rented the boards and put in the water, the wind died.
	It was very strange. 
|> love to hear from anybody who has ever windsurfed in the area.  Thanks!
|> 
|> ---
|> Duane Bedard
|> (206) 463-6190

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From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: North Flex Top vs. Constant Curve again
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:17:16 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

>
>North do seem to be on the change over or maybe recommending two
>mast types for wave and slalom/race designs but to have a different
>mast type within a model is strange....
>>P.O. Box 1, Kensington. N.S.W. 2033.		Fax: 61 2 662 7621

It may be strange but smart!  Sail designers want to do a lot of things when 
they design a line of sails, a lot of things for a lot of people.  A friend 
weighs 60 kilos or 132 lbs.  He doesn't want to sail the exact same rig as 
an other friend weighing 100 kilos (220 lbs.)even though the wind would be 
good for each person in the given conditions.  Sails below 5.0 are usually 
move wave/bump and jump oriented than those above.  Even if they are all 
Infinitys. See the 1992 North Sails mast compatibility chart  for more 
confusion.  Also the 1992 Hot Sails Maui brochure explains rig philosophy 
rather well.  
All in all there are things that can be said about the new sail lines:

	1) The more twist that is "built in" to the sails construction, 
the less the rig will be depend on the mast to contribute.

	2) Larger sails are not used to pattern the smaller sizes.  That 
is smaller sails have not been "scaled" down from the larger sizes (or 
vice versa).

	3) Certain designs are meant to be sailed powered - to over-
powered, others work better in light to medium power (fewer of the latter).

	4) Constant curve vs flex top will become a thing of the past as 
the correct mast for your weight will be requsite for a particular sail 
SIZE.  

	Seeing this is Friday, at least in this part of the world, relax and 
add your .02 worth to the list... or take a bite of your ___________ that 
you keep in that bottom drawer and read the latest issue of Windsurf that 
has shown itself in my mailbox this am... and a gale warning issued for 
Saturday!  
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From: shweeja02@cc.curtin.edu.au (James Hwee)
Subject: Come on in the waters...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:41:12 GMT

Hi there,

With all you northerners talking about buying dry suits and turning in 
for the winter I can't help but grin.

For us down under the days are getting "longer", the water warmer, and
(most importantly) the wind is blowing stronger.  It's getting closer to
what I remember as those *PERFECT* summer days of sunshine and warm
seebreezes.  We're still in spring and already we've had a couple of
days that have gone OFF!

I can't wait for the day where I can leave my cold, wet, wetsuit in the
car and go out in my "boardies".

So why am I writing?  To all of you that dread the oncoming chilly
winters, I offer an you an invitation. Save up and take a trip down-under
where the water's warm and the wind is blowing...  blowing... blowing.

Well Heck! Gosh Darn! The money you spend on that dry-suit could go
towards that airticket.


See ya,
James.


PS.   If anyone wants any descriptions about the sailing spots near hear
      mail me (or post, whatever).  I can only tell you about spots near
      Perth (1 hours drive or so).

PPS.  Any other netters out there who can make a Oz Sail Guide??
      Don't think I could possibly take the whole task on
      (uni. stuff you know).

PPPS. "Australians Best Liars" (B.Spedding?) ... I'll drink to that!

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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:40:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> I do not understand this, when a gust hits me on my 6.0 Prizma I
> can look up and see the sail twist off. The twist is very noticable
> and therefore the WIND must be spilled. 

When a gust hits, the sails probably do spill a little air.  The main
thing about twist, tho, is that the sail is taking a more efficient
alignment with the apparent wind.  This translates to speed.  The air
is moving faster 12 feet above the water than at 3 feet.

tom.
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:45:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Buoys at Coyote Point (ba)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

The channel markers at Coyote are 3.6 miles out.  The buoys you are
refering to are probably for the boat sailors returning to the harbor.
If you sail out past these, then you risc getting swept far downwind of
the harbor if you should break down.  Unfortunatly, the good wind usually
begins about there.  For reference on distance, the airplane flight
path is about 0.6 miles or 0.4 miles from shore.

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Subject: Re: October Gorge Report
Reply-To: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.162354.20711@SSD.intel.com> rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.002527.22621@sj.ate.slb.com> noble@sj.ate.slb.com () writes:
>
>Never knew that sailing the Gorge had a time warp effect on
>windsurfers.  Must be something in the water.  {;^)
>
Oops!  Subtract 7 from each date in my last posting (if you haven't already)!

Alan

PS  Wish I WERE there now.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius)
Subject: Re: Jumping -  Port/Starboard
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:28:33 GMT

I find just about everything in windsurfing dependent on the side of the board
I'm on - I tack better on starboard, jibe better on port, and jump better on
starboard - and I'm right-handed.  I think it is important to practise all
maneuvers on both sides of the board - especially jibing.

Another thing I wanted to mention was that to get any airtime I have to get
the board (Astro-Rock) bouncing a bit in the water before I attempt to jump.
I don't know if this is standard technique in chop-hopping or if it's because
my board is a bit on the big side for short-boards.

Also I can't jump on port side if my life depended on it - it feels totally
unnatural!

-Bill

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From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Subject: Re: Winter Sailing Destinations?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.094655@wsl.dec.com>, gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten) writes:
|> Now that my wife has decided she likes windsurfing better than skiing,
|> we are looking for a good sailing destination this winter.

I have heard (not been there) that the Swan River in Perth Australia has
20+ knots of wind every single day in the souther hemisphere summer time.
It is known as `the doctor' and comes up without fail. I beleive that
the swan river is a tidal river that is a few kilometers wide (5Km i think).

The problem for joel g. is that this is about the furthest point on earth
from the usa.

Any board-heads in australia, comment on this (add more accurate info)?
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From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in the Greek Islands??
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:46:48 GMT

pmb@geosys.co.uk (Pete Bochel) writes:

>In article <5354@sumax.seattleu.edu>, bedard@sumax.seattleu.edu (Duane
>Bedard) writes:
>> 
>> So international travelers, whats the deal here?  Was this just a strange
>> occurence of wind in a normally dead area?  Does anybody do high wind (at
>> least 15 kts) sailing in the Greek islands?  If so are there places to rent
>> quality boards which I missed?  Which islands are the windiest?   I would
>> love to hear from anybody who has ever windsurfed in the area.  Thanks!
>> 


>I have a weather/sea book which has some windtables in the back. 
>There seems to be some really windy places in the Eastern Med and I
>mean a lot windier than the places you here about (such as Vassiliki, 
>Biritz (sp?), Rhodes, etc)

>The tables I have show places with force 5-8 for about 90% of days. Some
>of these places also have a lot of strongs winds early in the day (7-9AM).

>So why do we never hear of such places? Maybe windsurfers are generally 
>like sheep or do we just never hear about the odd adventurer finding new 
>locations ??
>There must be hundreds of good locations out there.

>I have never gone myself because I am always looking for waves but I have
>heard recently found out that the Mediterain (sp) does get waves.
>Does anyone out there know of any spots (and the time of year) that get 
>reliable wave conditions ?


>If anyone is interested I can type in the statistics for a few spots.


My brother-in-law taught sailing at Baudrum (sic?) in Turkey on the Med coast
for a couple of summers, and he said that winds there were consistently better
than Greece. Falcon Holidays (out of Britain) ran the sailing centre where 
he worked.

How about some other possible locations from others with local knowledge??
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Subject: nz windsurfing guide correction
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:18:44 GMT

I just realised that you northern hemisphere types probably think that
the north pole is at the top of the world rather than the reverse, in
which case my location of New Zealand to the left of Australia is
incorrect, ie it's either _above_ and to the left or _below_ and to the
right of Australia. :)
right of Australia. :)
Bruce Spedding
Materials Science and Performance
Industrial Research Ltd,     Fax: +64-4-569-0132
P.O.Box 31310,              Work: +64-4-569-0485
Lower Hutt,  ( NZST : +12 ) Home: +64-4-562-8522
New Zealand.  Internet: srgxnbs@grv.grace.cri.nz
From: mstov@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.p.stovsky)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Looking for Rental Equipment in Cancun
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:33:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Hi!

My wife and I are thinking about going to Cancun this January.  We'd like to 
rent some decent windsurfers while there (along the lines of Mistral 
Shredders).

If you know of reliable places where we can make prior arrangements for
equipment, please share your knowledge with me.

We have looked at Vela, but they are very expensive relative to other travel
packages.  According to Vela's literature, they will not rent equipment to you
unless you take their entire travel package.

We're hoping there are other places, besides the typical hotels' "rent a 10 
year old door for $30.00 an hour."

Please send me e-mail and I will summarize to the net. (Note my e-mail address
is different than the return address for this posing.)

Thanks in advance!

	Mike
	mps@cbvox.att.com
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: NewZealand windsurf guide updated
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1687E11587.EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>, EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.234304.12591@am.dsir.govt.nz>
|> srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding) writes:
|>  
|> >                        For those not familiar with New Zealand it is
|> >just below and to the left of Australia ......
|>                        ****
|>  
|> I remember being told that New Zealanders and Australians oriented
|> their maps and globes with south to the top (so that they would be
|> "on top" rather than "underneath,") but this is the first confirmation
|> from a native!

 But surely that would put NZ *above* Oz instead of below as Bruce said

 I read it as to the left when looking from the northern hemisphere
although I'm still not sure about the "below" (behind?).


 OK, come clean Bruce: Did you screw up?		:-)

	W.
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From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: wind commeth!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:44:11 GMT


NJ will be rocking again tommorrow! South winds by afternoon at 20-25 knots.
Get those small sails tuned and ready once again. So far looks like a good
weekend. I'll know for sure tomorrow.


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From: wiltonh@windsurf.cci.tek.com (Wilton Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: small chop hops
Keywords: hops
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:46:56 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


You can jump big boards with out much fear of hurting the board.  I have a
High-Fly CS700 which is 11'6" and I have jumped it in the Gorge.  It is not
very much fun because you may well crash.

When I first went to the Gorge I sailed the CS700 in conditions where you 
could jump and I have had the board several feet in the air but spinout is
almost always a problem.  I did crash in over powering condidtions and landed
on the nose of the board.  No ribs were broken but it was not very much fun.

Worry about your body not the board.
From: bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807)
Subject: How's the Explosion??? 
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:24:09 GMT

I am interested in buying an Explosion. I have not had
a chance to demo one yet. Are you sure that you can
put a 7.2 sail on it?

--- Bruce

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: Winter Sailing Destinations?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:45:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.094655@wsl.dec.com> gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten) writes:
>Now that my wife has decided she likes windsurfing better than skiing,
>we are looking for a good sailing destination this winter.

There's a guy up here (Gorge area) who coordinates windsurfing trips
for himself and friends.  His favorite destination was Aruba before
the hotels went up.

Last year, he did two trips.  The first was to Lake Arenal in Costa
Rica.  He enjoyed it so much, he purchased property on (maybe near)
the lake.  It offers excellent winds in the 3.0 to 4.5 range during
most of the winter.  He is getting a group together for a trip in late
February.  Check your local windsurf mags for ads about Lake Arenal.

The second trip was in March to Isla de Margarite (?) off the coast of
Venezuela.  He was there for 20 days and it blew 4.5 or better EVERY
DAY.

IMHO, windsurfing in Southern Baja is mostly hype.  The unusually
windy conditions that brought the huge Baja publicity blitz of 1988
were an anomoly.  Baja natives said they hadn't seen wind like that in
20 years.

Good luck, Joel.  Hope you have a great time wherever you go!
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From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: October Gorge Report
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:14:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.1992Oct14.221409.12707
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel

In article <1992Oct14.210448.2293@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:

>A couple of quick questions:
>
>What do people wear at the Gorge during these months? I have an O'Neil
>Solo (4/3 one piece) and am wondering whether that would be enough.

Most people use drysuits.  I sailed last winter in a 5/3 Promotion
Gorge Extreme semi-dry with a 1mm body shell underneath.  Many people
wear polypropalene (sp?) under their suit, I don't.  We get the gloves
on about mid-November and wear a hood by early December.  The hoods
are off in early March and the gloves follow soon after.

With a drysuit, hood, gloves and good boots, you'll be alright.  If
you have a semi-dry and other minimum protection, you could have
problems if you had to stay in the water for an extended period of
time due to equipment failure, injury, etc.

>What's the likelihood of wind on a given day? I don't mean nuclear wind; I
>just need enough to more or less power up a 4.5 or even a 5.0.

With easterlies, the wind seems to come in clumps.  It will blow up to
10 days in a row and then do nearly nothing for another 10.  I hate to
guess, but I'd say the chance is 50-50.  Wilton may have better data.

When the east wind is dead, it's quite possible that good winds will
be blowing at the coast.  The temperature there is usually 5 to 10
degrees warmer than the Gorge and the water temperature is definitely
better.

>What's the weather like at that time of the year in the Gorge wrt rain. As
>most PNWers know, winter can be a bit on the wet side; is it like that at
>the Gorge as well?

The conditions east of the mountains can be quite cold.  The east wind
blows strongest at the west end of the Gorge where the climate is more
temperate.  The coldest daytime temperature that I sailed in last year
was around 42 degrees.  Of course, last year we had a pretty warm
winter, and I was somewhat choosy about which days I sailed.

Rain?  Yeah, it rains here some in the winter.  But hey, you're gonna
get wet anyway, right?
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