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From: francois@mot.com (Andre Francois)
Subject: binary editor for vi
Organization: rpg
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:09:26 GMT

I read about the binary file editor package for vi and I tried to use
the e-mail server to get it.  Could the administartor of the vi archives
send me a copy of this package uuencoded if necessary.  I do not have
ftp access.

This is a lower priority, but I als saw the c-template for writing code
in c.  If this is also available and easy to mail (i.e. not a 10 or more
part mail package)  I would also appreciate it.  Thanks in advance.

Andre Francois
Internet email: eaf003@comm.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: kahler@delab.sintef.no (Bo Kahler)
Subject: Re: XEDIT for UNIX available ?
Reply-To: Bo.Kahler@delab.sintef.no
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:25:04 GMT

You could also try the XC from Univ. of Waterloo. Anon. ftp to
"eagle.uwaterloo.ca


-- 
Regards,

Bo Kahler                              E-mail: kahler@delab.sintef.no
SINTEF DELAB                           Phone: +47-7-593175
N-7034  Trondheim                      Fax: +47-7-532586
Norway
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: sane@clitus.cs.uiuc.edu (Aamod Sane)
Subject: Re: Emacvs vi
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:38:14 GMT

sjs@netcom.com (Stephen Schow) writes:

>Is there anyone out there who is totally objective that routinely uses
>vi AND emacs, depending on a particular situation?  I am a very good vi
>user and I love it.  I hear a lot about emacs, but I don't know whether I
>should spend some time to learn it.

I wrote a vi emulator for emacs which is 99.99% vi compatible 
(and has some useful extensions) called vip.

It should be available on the emacs archives on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu. 
This way you do get the best of both worlds.
I think emacs keysequences are
demented being non-orthogonal and non-mnemonic, 
but the extension language (lisp) and windows and some
other features are really good, especially if you are using X, since
then you can use Epoch which uses multiple X windows.

The emulator comes with a manual that should help you learn
the little emacs you need to know.

Have fun

Aamod Sane

QOTD:

"I ran out of gas!  I got a flat tire!  I locked my keys in the car!
 An old friend came in from out of town!  I lost my tux at the
 cleaners!  Someone stole my car!  There was an earthquake!  A terrible
 flood!  LOCUSTS!  It wasn't MY FAULT!" 
    -- Blues Brothers

-- 
sane@cs.uiuc.edu
         ==         / \  
-----    ==    *    \_/     -|||- 
         ==
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Extension Languages
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:23:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec16.092358.15791
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95

davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu  (John E. Davis) writes:
>The reason I chose a stack based language is easy:  The parsing stage is
>simple.  I did not want most of the executable devoted to the language.

I've been planning on using a stack based language for my editor, too.
This lets the basic editor (a C editing core, the interpreter, and a
few important functions written in the stack language) be small and
efficient.

Eventually, the plan is to also provide a C compiler that compiles
from C to the editor language, so that pepole who want to write their
editor programs in C can do so.  But this will be a separate program,
so that people who simply want a small and efficient editor don't have
to carry around the baggage of a C compiler or interpreter.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: jasonp@bungee.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Pascucci)
Subject: XYWRite->Anything else
Organization: Prime Computer R&D
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:45 GMT


I posted this question to comp.sys.ibm,pc.misc, and recieved no 
response, so I thought I'd try here...

Are there any programs which would translate XYWrite doc
format to something else? I don't own XYWrite, but expect
to be getting some documents in it soon, and I'm
kind of looking for an XYWrite->Postscript,
through any number of steps you'd care to mention. 

I don't expect to buy XYWrite anytime soon...it's
$455 pricetag seems outrageous for what it does. 

Thanks!
--
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com
Xref: sparky comp.editors:3055 comp.text:1472 comp.text.desktop:497
From: Demoel@Fwva.Saic.Com (Ed de Moel)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.text,comp.text.desktop
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.1 format - anyone?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:33:28 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

I asked a question:
>>Ed de Moel (Demoel@Fwva.Saic.Com) wrote:
>>: I'm looking for a description of the internal format that WordPerfect
>>: uses for its text-files.
 
and got lots of answers. Thank you all for your prompt help.
To sum it up:
 call 1 800 321 4566 and order the Developer's Kit
 It costs $75 plus shipping and tax.
 They accept credit card orders.
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: mramsell@gandalf.ca (Mark Ramsell)
Subject: Anyone have EDT keypad for Brief?
Keywords: Brief EDT
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:35:53 GMT


I am about to embark on the task of making Brief 3.1's keypad emulate
VMS's EDT commands.  Before I started though, it occurred to me that
someone in this vast network might have already accomplished this job.

Please send me Email if you have any information.

Thanx,
Mark Ramsell

Email = mramsell@gandalf.ca
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: dattier@orac.holonet.net (DWT)
Subject: Re: periodic saves
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:21:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.182912.5853@telesciences.com> ciacovel@telesciences.com
(Chris D Iacovelli) wrote:

I> While reading this thread, I was testing the possibility of:

I> :map! ^V^V  ^V^V ^V<Esc>:w!^V^Ma

I> However, I noticed that when I try do do anything from the command prompt
I> that involves spaces, the above macro is executed.

I> Therefore, it seems that in the command mode, vi acts as if the command
I> line is in insert mode.

I> Is this the case or am I missing something?

Yes, that's how it works and that is part of the problem I posted.  At a
colon escape, all map!pings for insert mode are in effect.  If you map
<space>, you have to ^V every space you type at the colon prompt.

Since I type two spaces between sentences, I map!ped <space><space> as
follows (^V represents a hard ctrl-V stored with two presses of ctrl-V,
likewise ^M is a stored ^M entered with ctrl-Vctrl-M) in my .exrc:

:map! ^V ^V  ^V ^[:w!^Ma [with a trailing space]
           ^^ two spaces between the second and third ^V's

It's very rare to have two adjacent spaces in a colon escape.  For those
infrequent occasions, I don't mind ctrl-V'ing one of them.

Between that map!ping and this one --

:map! ^M^M ^M^[:w!^Mi^M

I get a lot of checkpointing.  I also have autowrite set on and
:map @@ :w!^M
for command mode.

[The need to end the map!ping of ^M^M with i^M instead of o comes from what
 happens when I break an existing paragraph by adding text inside it.]

What I really need is an editor that preserves and recovers properly; no,
what I really need is a better connection to ddsw1.  Illinois Bell eats.

David W. Tamkin   P. O. Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@{holonet.net|ddsw1.mcs.com}   CIS: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin)
Subject: Re: Sam (was Re: sam and cursor control)
Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:12:10 GMT

In <1gpj37INNj6t@nemesis.muppet.bt.co.uk> carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl) writes:

>From the documents that come with sam, it suggests that its the editor of choice
>in the plan9 team. Something I find difficult to believe if its being used
>to write code in.  I tried using it for a while and gave up as its just too
>slow to use, I have to keep taking my hands off of the keyboard to move around
>the file and it doesnt seem to have tags.  Is this an old version of sam thats
>missing functionality?  Anyone out there using it in anger?
>Opinions/comments/views?

I've seen several comments to the effect that sam loses some of its flavor
when run in a non-plan9 environment.  Not being familiar with plan9, I
don't know how plan9 affects using sam.

Personally, being a touch-typist vi-user who hates to move his hands while
editing (even for function keys), I doubt plan9 would make sam any nicer to
use, at least for me.  I do keep sam around because the dataflow command set
sam uses looks quite nice.

>Cheers,
>Carl "Militant VI user" Johnson
--
Trip Martin
night@acm.rpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: auerbach@ncsu.edu (David D Auerbach)
Subject: Re: XYWRite->Anything else
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:43:12 GMT

jasonp@bungee.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Pascucci) writes:


>I posted this question to comp.sys.ibm,pc.misc, and recieved no 
>response, so I thought I'd try here...

>Are there any programs which would translate XYWrite doc
>format to something else? I don't own XYWrite, but expect
>to be getting some documents in it soon, and I'm
>kind of looking for an XYWrite->Postscript,
>through any number of steps you'd care to mention. 

>I don't expect to buy XYWrite anytime soon...it's
>$455 pricetag seems outrageous for what it does. 

>Thanks!
>--
>Jason R. Pascucci
>jasonp@primerd.prime.com
You can buy XyWrite for about $200 for some mailorder places.
One of the advantages of Xy is that the documents are straight ascii, with
the formatting codes stored as markup codes enclosed between guillmets
(ascii 174 and 175).  Also XyWrite comes with a Postscript driver so that
you can use its type to file command to essentially trnaslate those codes
to a corresponding postscript file.  But in any case xywrite files are
perfectly readable by anything that can read ascii and the markup codes are
relatively obvious ( <<rm65>> means right margin 65, e.g.).
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen)
Subject: Macro Archive/Mailing list for Brief?
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:47:27 GMT


Is there either a macro archive or mailing list for Brief?  I'm a new
Brief user with extensive emacs experience and I'd like to duplicate
as much of the emacs functionality as I can.

Peter

-- 
  Peter Olsen, PE, n2ell, pcolsen@super.super.org  ...!uunet!super!pcolsen
          P.O. Box 410, Simpsonville, MD 21150; 410-997-8584
     "Engineering is the art of applying a professional knowledge of
   mathematics and the physical sciences to improve the quality of life"
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: jbrock@csfb1.fir.fbc.com (John Brock)
Subject: Re: XEDIT for UNIX available ?
Keywords: editors, unix, xedit, vm/cms
Reply-To: uunet!csfb1!jbrock
Organization: First Boston Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.135443.14568@Princeton.EDU>, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
|> In article <r.rutten.14.723973771@uci.kun.nl> r.rutten@uci.kun.nl (Remco A. Rutten) writes:
|> >Hello readers of this newsgroup,
|> >
|> >I'm looking for an editor on UNIX which does the same as the XEDIT-editor 
|> >from IBM's VM/CMS.
|> 
|> The only such product I know of is a commercial product, UniXedit.  I
|> think the vendor is called the Workstation Group.  They have clones of a
|> lot of CMS products.  
|> 
|> >I have a friend who finally wants to use UNIX in stead of vm/cms. But he's 
|> >so satisfied with the editor of vm/cms, so he ants to port it to UNIX.
|> 
|> I suggest you get your friend to try one of the easy Unix editors, like
|> joe or pico.  Some of our users thought they wanted Xedit until they tried
|> the alternatives; now they don't talk about Xedit any more.
|> 
|> Barbara Vaughan

I actually have an address and phone number (about a year old):

   The Workstation Group
   6300 N. River Road
   Rosemont, IL 60018
   708-696-4800

By the way, I _really_ like XEDIT, and I like the way it interfaces
with REXX as a macro language.  XEDIT is totally untouched by any sort
of UNIX heritage, so it's interesting in that it kind of points up the
interrelatedness of most UNIX editors.  One thing I really miss in
other UNIX editors is the ALL command.

-- 
John Brock
uunet!csfb1!jbrock
jbrock@csfb1.fir.fbc.com
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu ("John E. Davis")
Subject: Re: Extension Languages
Reply-To: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu  (John E. Davis)
Organization: "Dept. of Physics, The Ohio State University"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:06:25 GMT

In article <3859@iris.mincom.oz.au> marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar)
writes: 
   IS there any specific reason why one would choose to utilise an prefix
   notation language for extensions to an editor as opposed to infix or
   post-fix? 


For my JED editor,  I invented a language which I call S-Lang or ``Ssslang''.
It is stack based and resembles postscript in many ways.  However unlike other
stack based languages, it supports local variables which tremendously simply
taking care of the stack.  However, this is not just an editor language---
rather it is a language embedded into the editor.  I am currently writing a
program which utilizes a frame grabber and I have embedded the languge in it
as well.  So for example, suppose I have a C function called `draw' which
takes 4 integers and draws a line between two points and returns nothing.
Then to embed this function in the language, simply put:

add_intrinsic("line", draw, VOID_TYPE, 4);

in your C program.  Then you can call the function from within Slang:

1 1 10 10 line  ;; draws a line between points (1,1) and (10,10)

Then you can create a function called `box':

( [x1 y1 x2 y2]        ;; local variables
  =y2 =x2 =y1 =x1

  x1 y1 x1 y2 line
  x1 y2 x2 y2 line
  x2 y2 x2 y1 line
  x2 y1 x1 y1 line
) box

Then  `1 2 10 12 box' will draw a box with two corners at (1,2) and (10,12).
I think that you can see how such a program adds a new dimension to a program
with a C function called draw.  In addition, think about how you would have to
write the box function with NO local variables using stack operators `dup',
`exch', `roll', etc....

The reason I chose a stack based language is easy:  The parsing stage is
simple.  I did not want most of the executable devoted to the language.

I will release Slang as a standalone product soon.  Of course it is not really
standalone because it needs to be embedded into you application.  Look at my
JED sources (in ledit.c) to see how Slang is embedded.
--
     _____________
#___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________
#
# internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu
#   bitnet: davis@ohstpy
#   office: 617-735-6746
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: legend@cheshire.oxy.edu (Linda A. Malcor)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect to ASCII translator for Sun/Unix
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.002212.7496@ncar.ucar.edu> you write:
>
>We need a translator to convert WordPerfect 5.1 to ascii,
>to make mail work better here at NCAR. Anybody have any
>ideas on how to make this happen? The mail originators
>cannot put their bannana down before sending those files
>over here ;-).
>
>Thanks in Advance....
>
>--Wayne

I have been writing translators for WP -> various ASCII without writing
a single line of code. Use the PTR program (it comes with every version
of WP since 4.2?) to modify the STANDARD.PRS printer driver. The most
important things you want to do are: 1) change the way character
attributes are handled (bolds, and underlines in particular). 2) change
the HMI and VMI and the way Carriage Return and Line Feed work.  Then
install you new print driver and tell WP that it is printing to a file
(saddly it must be a single file name so you have to deal with that).
This is something you have to play with to get right. But it is the
right way to do it, and it's free!


                               Daniel Malcor
                    Los Angeles Times - Editorial Library
                          Systems Analyst/Programmer
                          Work Phone: (213) 237-4590
                       INTERNET: legend@cheshire.oxy.edu
From: kristfin@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Thor Finnsson)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: 8-bit emacs for dos and os/2
Summary: edit
Keywords: emacs
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:39:43 GMT

While I'm at it: Does there exist a demo version of Brief so an emacs user
can see the glory of Brief without buying it?



-- 
  ##################################################################
  # Kristjan Finnsson.  # Math/CS student.  University of Iceland #
  # kristfin@rhi.hi.is  #>>> Real Programmers don't use PASCAL <<<#
  #################################################################
From: maven@mavenry.UUCP (Norman Hamer)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Decent Editors
X-CitNet-ID: 73647
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:05:43 GMT

  
 Hullo. 
  
 One of the major things preventing me from running unix on my home systems 
is that I have YET to see a decent editor under unix. While I recognize 
certain things are a little different because they're written for multiple 
terminals... I'm only using CONSOLE or an ANSI terminal emulation and at 
14.4kbaud I'd prefer a clean screen than minimal updates ala vi. 
  
 Basically, what I'm looking for is a Q-Edit analog... The things which are 
important to me are: 
  
 1) Backspace and Delete are TWO SEPERATE FUNCTIONS, darnit! Delete removes 
    the character to the RIGHT, and should only be a synonym for backspace 
on 
    a terminal which only has one key. 
 2) Auto-indenting and sticky indent for C. 
 3) Preferrably unlimited line length, else >= 256 characters. 
 4) The realization that if a user does "cursor down" and then types, that   
 
 means to move the endpoint to the current position, not start typing at     
 the endpoint. 
 5) Control Keys used for CONTROL functions, not to switch to command mode. 
 6) Preferrably pull-down menus for non-often-used functions. 
 7) The ability to load multiple files, copy blocks to/from other files
 
 Is there anything out there which does this? Can you tell me where to look? 
 I'd write one, but I can't stand the editors I've seen long enough to write 
my own.
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Online BookStore Announcement: The Internet Companion
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:06:17 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

Newsgroups: comp.internet.library,comp.archives
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Online BookStore Announcement: The Internet Companion
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:26:44 GMT



                                   
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                            Editorial Inc.
                                   
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Further chapters will be released in the future. See the README and
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From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: UNT's accessing
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:50:41 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

From: renzetti@imag.fr
Subject: UNT's accessing 
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 14:20:29 +0100

UNT's accessing On line bibliographic databases
Could you tell me on what anonymous ftp i can get it ?
Thank you very much for your kind help
sincerely yours
-
renzetti@imag.fr

Francoise Renzetti
Mediatheque
 BP 53 X 
38 041 Grenoble Cedex
France

Tel 33 76 51 42 83
Tel Mediatheque  33 76 51 46 36
Fax Mediatheque  33 76 51 96 37

      
"Paper and flesh are fleeting media for the treasures that are ideas"
                                                                Brewster Khale
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: On-line Govt Printing Office
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:57:26 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

From: haydenw@aerospace.aero.org (bill hayden)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: On-line Govt Printing Office
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:12:58 GMT

>From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
>Subject: On-line Govt Printing Office
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 02:30:13 GMT
>
>
>According to a Newsbytes article in clari.nb.govt, the GPO has put
>nearly a gigabyte of data on a for-fee BBS. "To obtain more
>information about the GPO BBS modem users can log on to the system at
>202-512-1387." After you set up an account, "a 1 megabyte file costing
>about $20 to download."
>
>BBS number: 202-512-1387
>User assistance (202) 512-1524.
>"Depository Library staff should call (202) 512-1126."
>
>- Carl
>--
>Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
> = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
>
Is this data available via FTP ?
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: REQUEST: References on Biologcal Neural Net Simulators
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:27:34 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

From: tb06@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (TERRENCE MONROE BRANNON)
Subject: REQUEST: References on Biologcal Neural Net Simulators
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:25:35 GMT


I would like to know what texts provide an overview of the available
simulators of the human nervous system.

The only book I have seen is yet to appear:

"Neural Network Simulators" edited by J. Skrzypek

--
Terry Brannon     tb06@pl122f.eecs.lehigh.edu
medical biology via acupunctural bioelectrics
primitive reigns supreme over nearly everyone
From: takefuji@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Yoshiyasu Takefuji)
Newsgroups: comp.internet.library
Subject: Re: dialog information wanted
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:44:03 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

From: dlc@em.lanl.gov (Dan Comstock)
Subject: Re: dialog information wanted
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:30:00 GMT

>Does anybody know how to get an account with Dialog..
> 
>Their phone#, address or anything?
> 

Call them at 1-800-334-2564 or 415-858-3785 for the details.
Fax # 415-858-7069

Dialog Information Services, Inc.
3460 Hillview Avenue
Palo Alto, CA  94304

Expensive, but indispensible.

Dan