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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:03:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.124901.2875@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>
>Fedorov instead of Kamensky. Mogilny-Fedorov-Bure was the best junior aged 
>line in the world four years ago. On defence, guys like Malakhov and Zhitnik
>come to mind. I think Kasparaitus is Lithuanian though...In net, Andrei
>Trefilov or Artur Irbe. (Is Irbe Russian?)
>
 My choice would be Bure-Fedorov-Kamensky. Defensively I would probably pick
 their WC defense pair of Malakhov-Mironov. The problem is the goalie. They
 haven't had a good goalie since Tretiak. Trefilov or Shtalenko would be
 the choice.

>
>You forgot the Czech team. How about:
>
>Holik   Reichel    Jagr
>   Svoboda    Hamrlik
>         Hasek
>
 I'd pick Robert Svehla and Miloslav Horava on defense. Also don't forget that
 the Olympics are played on wide rinks so perhaps Robert Lang would be a good
 choice instead of Reichel.

>I'm sure our Swedish and Finnish friends can come up with a good first line
>for their respective teams....
>

 Sweden:

	Tomas Sandstrom - Peter Forsberg - Mats Sundin
	     Fredrik Olausson - Nicklas Lidstrom
		      Tommy Soderstrom

 (Holy Smokes.. what a line! The opponents would shit their pants... :-) 

 Finland:  perhaps..

   	Jarkko Varvio - Mika Nieminen - Teemu Selanne
		Timo Jutila - Janne Laukkanen
	             Markus Ketterer

 But I'm sure our Finnish friends have some better ideas.. :-)

>								Alan
>

 Oh, and BTW, there won't be any "Dream Teams" in the Olympics, not even
 if NHL decide to allow their players to compete. The reason being is that
 IIHF won't allow it. IIHF's secretary-general, Jan Ake Edvinsson, told
 a newspaper that IIHF won't allow NHL pros *as long as* NHL will not
 allow their best players in the World Championships. And the chance of
 NHL taking a break for both the Olympics and the WC is as close to zero
 as it can get, right.

 Staffan
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Possible 1994 Olympic Hockey Rosters
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:08:23 GMT

In article <1dappmINNd2k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>CANADA: 
>
>Defense: Ray Bourque, Paul Coffey, Al MacInnis, Eric Desjardins, Steve Smith, 
>         Scott Stevens, Dave Manson, Scott Neidermayer, Rob Blake


I don't know about Manson, and isn't Blake American? I could be wrong.


>Goal: Bill Ranford, Ed Belfour, Kirk McLean


That's a good one! HAHA!  No Patrick Roy in nets, even as a backup?
The others are good - don't get me wrong - but Roy is better than Belfour,
at least!!!


>===============================================================================
>CIS:
>
>Forwards: Sergei Fedorov, Pavel Bure, Alexander Mogilny (if they let him play),
>          Sergei Makarov, Valeri Kamensky, Alexei Zhamnov, Andrei Kovalenko, 
>          Valeri Kamensky, Alexei Kovalev, Viacheslav Kozlov, 
>          Viacheslav Butsayev, Evgeny Davydov, Nikolai Borschevsky, 
>          Alexei Yashin, Sergei Krivokrasov, Victor Gordijuk


Are you going to be double-shifting Kamensky?   :-)


>===============================================================================
>USA:
>
>Forwards: Jeremy Roenick, Pat LaFontaine, Kevin Stevens, Joel Otto, Ed Olczyk,
>          Mike Modano, Joey Mullen, Brett Hull, Shawn McEachern, Tony Amonte,
>          Darren Turcotte, Keith Tkachuk, Kevin Miller, Randy Wood, 
>          John LeClair
>
>Defense: Brian Leetch, Chris Chelios, Kevin Hatcher, Gary Suter, Phil Housley
>         Dave Ellett, Paul Ranheim, Eric Weinrich, Scott Lachance
>
>Goal:    Chris Terrier, Mike Richter, John Vanbiesbrouck, Tom Barrasso
                ^^^^^^^


That's a good one.  Terrier?  He's not a dog; it's Terreri (sp?)



>===============================================================================
>CZECHOSLOVAKIA:
>
>Defense:  Fran Musil, Petr Svoboda, Roman Hamrlik, Jiri Slegr, Fran Kucera, 
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^

He might rather play for Canada (won't make it, though) as he did in the
Canada Cup.


>
>===============================================================================
>FINLAND:
>
>Forwards: Jarri Kurri, Teemu Selanne, Esa Tikkanen, Janne Ojanen, 
>          Christian Ruuttu, Petri Skriko, Pekka Tirkkonen, Raimo Summanen, 
>          Iiro Jarvi, Jarmo Kekalainen, Timo Peltomaa
>
>Defense: Jyrki Lumme ,Teppo Numminen, Ville Siren, Pasi Huura, Timo Jutila,
>         Arto Ruotanen, Janne Laukkanen
>
>Goal Markus Ketterer, Jarmo Myllys


I think it's against international rules to have so many double-letters
on one team   :-)







--Dave
From: smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:56:21 GMT

In article <51423@seismo.CSS.GOV> cooper@seismo.CSS.GOV (Dale Cooper) writes:
>In article <Bx9Hnp.GIC@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>>In article 1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca, kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca () writes:
>>>[Gretzky] turned up at the World Series in Atlanta. He read the disclaimer on
>>>last Sunday's CBS broadcast of the Phildelphia Eagles / Dallas Cowboys 
>>>game. Looks like he's having a grand old time.
>>
>>Audio tape.  Holograms.
>>
>>---
>>Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
>
>Thanks Richard!  I knew I could count on someone to help me out here.  For every
>one that has "seen" Gretz, think about "where" you "saw" him...ON TV!  Not
>exactly flesh and blood.  Repent!  Ye Sinners!  Gretzky IS an alien!!!!!
>
>Dale Cooper
>Center for Seismic Studs		"Dale Hunter is God...
>Arlington, VA				    ...but you knew that already"
>
>

Actually, I think I saw Gretzky at the 7-11 last night getting a
Slurpee. When he went up to the cash register to pay, this big guy at
cash with oily black hair, sideburns, and swagger said in this deep
baritone voice: "Why thank you. Thank you very much".
 
Bryan
From: chin836@skdad.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Senators finish first!!!  (Sort of...)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:57:37 -0600
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov12.053057.26768@bcrka451.bnr.ca> simpson@bnr.ca writes:
>Anyway, this is all coming out because the Senators have mailed the season
>ticket holders renewal bills for next year *already*.  Add to that a 2-5%
>increase in ticket prices, a slumping team and the fact that it's barely
>November and people are being asked to pay for games that won't be happening
>for another 11 months, you've got the fixyn's for some unenthralled people.

The Cenators can sell off the hype that is sure to surround Alexandre Daigle, a
17-year-old super-prospect in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, come next
spring.  Daigle is on pace to score about 260-270 points over a full season,
which he is unlikely to play because of the World Juniors this winter.  This
leads me to the question:  How did Mario play 70 games in the 1983-84 QMJHL
season?  I guess he didn't play in the World Juniors that winter.

Glenn
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Rangers interest in Dave Manson continues
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:07:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.170806.23227@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>The NYT SportsSunday article on the Rangers-Bruins game noted that
>Rangers GM Neil Smith has been out of town to watch the Oilers' last
>couple of games to check out Dave Manson and maybe swing a deal (this
>is indirectly verified by my youngest sister's sighting of him at a
>downtown Keg'N'Cleaver in Winnipeg on Thursday night, but what his
>real business was -- who knows?).  With Dave Archibald now gone to
>Ottawa, that's one less chit for Smith to dangle at Glen Sather,
>unfortunately ...
>

One of the rumours I've seen is Murphy and Manson for Patrick, Weight,
and Kovalev.

Gerald

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From: tryder@nyx.cs.du.edu (Captain Apollo)
Subject: Manon Rhaeume
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 04:39:59 GMT





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From: sancho@athena.mit.edu (Scott G Smith)
Subject: Re: Oates-Janney Trade revisited
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:58:36 GMT

First of all

5 years down the line if the bruins have 5 stanley cups (or at least 1)
then i say that the trade will have served its purpose.

of course oates is about 10 years older than janney 
of course janney will be playing (supposedly) in five or six years when oates is 
expected to retire and quintal may have finally found himself in st. louis
with their offensive style.

but i do not think that the trade will help st. louis move any closer to the 
stanley cup now or any time within the next ten years

oates with boston , on the other hand, has paid immediate dividends, as evidenced
by boston's standings and the line's goals scored and assists tallied.

Yes at first glance it appears that boston, by giving up on quintal is missing
the boat , however unitl quintal realizes he potential the trade can be
viewed as an oates for janney trade

and any half intelligent fan will know that boston gets the better of this deal

Furthermore, janney will continue to be a defensive liability for the blues 
when oates is pursuing his stock options (have to take the good with the bad)


Overall (as of now): Harry Sinden (and Mike Milbury) pulled off another steal

-Scott G. Smith
sancho@athena.mit.edu


p.s. if janney and quintal both live up to their potential and by some minute 
	chance their combined might surpasses that of oates, Saint Louis will end 
	up paying 2 multimillion dollar salaries instead of one.  

	Didn't the Blues get rid of Oates for monetary reasons; it seems weird
		that they will be incurring more money problems if the deal pans	
		out than if it does not.  So either way Saint Louis LOSES in the 
		final analysis, regardless if Oates retires in five years or in 
		one year.
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WHL: Standings and Results - 11/01/92
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:37:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) says:

>That's nice to see.  I really liked Andrew Cassels, but if Montreal's gonna
>trade him, you might as well get a quality player  :-) 
>
>BTW, if Valeri is the #1 scorer in the WHL, who is his linemate that
>is scoring on all those assists?  And what team owns HIS rights?

None.  He's eligible to be drafted in 1993.
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
From: chin836@skdad.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:38:04 -0600
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Gerald Olchowy wrote:
>|> What hockey needs is a proper World Cup...not a publicity stunt where
>|> the Russians are likely to humiliate the Canadian and American teams.

In article <1992Nov10.050706.2972@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>:
>
>I fail to see this last point. All the best Russians (and Ukranians, and
>Latvians...etc.) are now playing in the NHL. It seems to me that the Russians
>will have just as much difficulty getting a team to "gel" as the Canadians
>and Americans will in the short time that will be available.
>-- 
>Frank P. DiGiuseppe	McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

The Russians have an edge in speed over perhaps every other national team.
Speed isn't a function of team chemistry or coaching, and it's a big asset on
wide ice (less so on NHL ice).  In a scenario where national teams are thrown
together in less than a week, team speed is more difficult to neutralize without
well-devised checking schemes, which are a function of team chemistry and
coaching.

Where the Russians are vulnerable, perhaps, is goaltending.

Glenn
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Calder: Lindros & more
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:18:30 -0700
Distribution: na
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Nov7.172141.1026@mala.bc.ca>, ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:
> 
>   Lindros just refused to play, to me that was his choice to void his rookie
> year.  
> 
> BTW  I think the draft is both immoral and should be made illegal, BUT the
> system is in place and should be observed until it is banned.
> 
But Lindros did observe the system.  Being drafted by a team places you
under no obligation to sign with them - now that WOULD be immoral.
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: WHERE TO GET NHL STATISTICS
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:51:54 GMT

mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:


>by the way, you have to use the finger command.

>although I thought it was self explanatory, evidently people didn't
>realize that you don't need to ftp in order to read a plan..

>issue this command:	finger mmilitzo@hal.skidmore.edu

>good luck!

Thanks...it works great. However, the stats are dated November 4th and
Dixon Ward of the Canucks still only has 1 goal even though he got 2
last night [4th] against Calgary.

Do they include all the stats *including* the 4th?
Were the Canucks left out?

-- 
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"We've got to get bigger guns" -- Dick Durkin                  schuck@sfu.ca
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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:54:02 GMT

In <002111m.8.721409983@ace.acadiau.ca> 002111m@ace.acadiau.ca (SCOTT BORDEN MACDONALD) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.144220.2878@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>>Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
>>From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
>>Date: 9 Nov 92 14:42:20 MST
>>In article <002111m.6.721083766@ace.acadiau.ca>, 002111m@ace.acadiau.ca (SCOTT BORDEN MACDONALD) writes:
>>> The trade rumours are pretty accurate, I think that Dvae King has sort of 
>>> made Vernon, the unofficial third string keeper, and the Flames have not 
>>
>>And on what do you base this absurdity? Vernon is definitely the number one
>>man in Calgary and will remain so until he is traded. I have seen many 
>>interviews with Dave King lately in which he has repeatedly said that Vernon
>>is the #1 man. The only reason that Reese has played more than Vernon this year
>>is that Vernon suffered a cut to his forehead in practice two weeks ago and
>>only recently has returned after recovering from the cut and adjusting to the
>>new face mask he is wearing as a result.
>>
>>> least while his market value is still favorable. I have heard the rumours 
>>> out of Calgary, (I'm from there so I have connections) and the latest scoop 
>>
>>I'm IN Calgary!
>>
>>GOOD FOR YOU !!!							Alan
>>
>Chill out man , no need to get upset, I am simply stating what \I was told, 
>maybe my sources are wrong, but you don't need to tear the head off!!
>Vernon should be the number one man, after all, his is one of the better in 
>the business. I have nothing against, him, I have met him in person, and he 
>is pretty cool, I think it would be a mistake to get rid of him now. The 
>back ups are too young, and can learn a lot from a good teacher like Vernon.
>Take a pill man !! If you would like to share any further info, I would be 
>ready and willing, to make reports to the large number of Flames fans that 
>we have here in little ole' |Nova Scotia. Trade rumours are just that 
>rumours, and they seldom are accurate. 

Let's just say it - Mike Vernon is an alcoholic and a jerk. My sources
are VERY GOOD. He should be traded as soon as possible - hopefully
before the arbitration hearing. The Flames have too many goaltenders
for their own good and they desperetely need some playmakers. You
can't keep coming back to Vernon just because he was great in the
1989 Stanley Cup - I mean he blew the series against the Oilers 2
years ago (who can forget those two pathetic Tikkanen goals in GAME
7); his regular season record is good because he's always played
behind superior teams. With Kidd, Reese, Muzatti, and Trefilov around
the Flames can't afford to hold on to Vernon.
                                                  Vladimir

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:08:25 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Brett Hull getting a new contract ???

In article <1992Nov05.182026.3033@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, broger@bnr.ca (Roger
Balakrishnan) says:
>Bob Mckenzie on TSN said that Brett Hull was negotiating
>a Mario Lemieux style contract. Has anyone heard anything
>about this ...
   I think, for those who haven't realized it yet, that Brett Hull is a very
very good hockey player, but Adam Oates was a major contibuter to his
performance and he's not the same player without him.  And, if the Blues
wouldn't give Oates the money he wanted, how will they give Hull the money
he wants?
* Rob *
From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Brett Hull getting a new contract ???
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:08:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov05.182026.3033@bmerh85.bnr.ca> broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan) writes:
>
>Bob Mckenzie on TSN said that Brett Hull was negotiating
>a Mario Lemieux style contract. Has anyone heard anything 
>about this ... 

Brett is out of his mind.  He's a great player, but he's not even in Lemieux's
league.  Based on Mario's contract, Brett is worth about 2.5 mill per year.

Dean

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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Wendel Clark Trade?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:09:56 GMT

In <1992Nov7.222300.29946@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves) writes:

>>>	Who in the hell asked you to be the net contact for the Leafs
>>>anyway?  If you are going to report Leafs' happenings, why don't you
>>>just report them without your dickhead comments about how much you hate
>>>them?
>>>	Get a life, asshole!

>	I wasn't just attacking his .sig - I was attacking his shit attitude
>approach towards the way he reported things.  I just quoted his .sig because
>it was a small sample of his posts.

I am not sure how one can be a leaf fan (as I am) and not have a "shit
attitude".  And if Sportsdesk gives you all the info you want or need why
do you bother to read the "dickhead" comments anyway?

rm

-- 
roger maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
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From: mcortes@shearson.com (Mathew Cortes)
Subject: Re: best fighter
Reply-To: mcortes@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:29:59 GMT

In article GtJ@acsu.buffalo.edu, v075p7mg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jonathan G Keller) writes:
WHO IS THE BEST FIGHTER??

In the history of the NHL and the WHA there have been many good fighters,
but there are a couple that really stand out. Dave Schultz was one of the
meanest most vicious players of all time. He did not feel comfortable if
he didn't fight and would fight only to kill or mame. In my opinion the best
of the past. You can't overlook the likes of Eddie Shore either. He could 
battle, but was better known for his toughness. He once caught he ear in the
boards and between shifts had it reattached so he could finish the game.

Now with the steriod freaks (ie. Kordic of the Leafs), each team has their
own Dave Schultz. Probert was beaten by Link of the Sharks. Does this mean 
he is a better fighter? NO!! After a long shift, a man cannot fight as well.
Link may have just stepped on the ice after about a 10 min. break. Knowing
Probert, he probably just gave it his all for 45sec. and is tired. Hockey
fighting is an art. Yes an art. The only way to figure out the best fighter
is a tournament, on ice, where they square off with equal rest. I could bet
who would be the final four though...Rob Ray,(strogest man in NHL),Bob
Probert (if the match was in the US)...Tie Domi(basic cement-head), and
Wendel Clark( If he is healthy)...
What are your thoughts?


BAN THE FACE SHIELD!!!!

Sounds like this guy wants to work for PAY PER VIEW !!!
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Possible Calgary trades???
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:09:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1dc6uoINN8fv@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
> Why couldn't Calgary give both Nieuwendyk and Gilmour 
> the big contracts?

For the obvious reason that Calgary is not a big city in the sense that
Toronto, Montreal, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc. are BIG cities. There
is a limit as to what Calgary can charge for tickets and still expect to fill
the Saddledome, and there is no lucrative local TV contract. The Flames and
other small-market teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg, Quebec City, and even some
American ones like Hartford just can't afford to throw a million bucks in the
face of every player on the team like the above cities (and Pittsburgh) do.

							Alan
						rec.sport.hockey contact
						for the Calgary Flames
 
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From: downec@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey)
Subject: Re: best fighter
Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:41:37 GMT

In article <Bx90ww.6v4@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075p7mg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jonathan G Keller) writes:
|> SOME OF YOU PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN!!!
|> 
|> OF COURSE EVERYONE IS GOING TO SAY THEIR TEAMS ENFORCER IS BIGGER
|> AND A BETTER FIGHTER.  
|> 
|> TIE DOMI IS A GOOD FIGHTER BUT IN FIGHTS OF STAMINA HE SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE
|> IT. HIS STRAGETY IS TO KILL HARD AND QUICK. YES HE CAN FIGHT BUT HE IS NOT
|> THE BEST. 
|> 
|> IF YOU COMPARE DOMI TO PROBERT, THE ONE THING THAT STICKS IN MY MIND IS THE
|> FACT PROBERT HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER AND WILL BE AROUND MUCH LONGER THAN DOMI.
|> ANY GIVEN NIGHT ANY HEAVYWEIGHT WILL BEAT ANY HEAVYWEIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW
|> MANY OF YOU PLAY HOCKEY, BUT YOU CANNOT FIGHT VERY EFFECTIVELY AT THE END
|> OF A SHIFT.  A QUICK LINE CHANGE AND YOU HAVE A VERY TIRED PROBERT V. A 
|> VERY RESTED ADAM GRAVES.

|> THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT GO BY WHO BEAT WHO. THERE IS MUCH MORE INVOLVED. 

Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about.
It's about time.

CSD