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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:08:09 -0400
From:         I am Looking For Signs Of Intelligent Life! Know Any?
              <STUSTITH@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: post-debate reaction: yes, my spirit is snoring!

you know what really irritates me is that these morons have no idea
of what the real world is like... they've been fairly successful and have
had money most of their lives. They haven't the slightest idea as to what
they should do. For example, howabout repealing the income tax ammendment!
that would be good, generating a lot of new spending money for the
government. The hell with capital gains and the other stuff... just raises
sales tax a little. And howabout maybe trying some other new things... lets
scale government down.. they want to make it bigger. Government is not there
to wait on us hand and foot... it is there to make sure we get along...
other than that, the federal government should stay out of our hair.
Also, howabout killing the fed and start backing money with something
again.. this might work. The fed was put in to stop the incredible
depressions we might have and smooth things out.... well .. it does
for the most part... it's just that when we do have the drops in
the economy, they last a lot longer. Also.. we need to get out of the
service oriented society, we need to reindustrialize america. We can't
do anything anymore. We can't even make our underwear! Now, also,
we need to start reeducating, start flunking people, if they can't pass
in the allotted time, then get them out of there. It may be social
Darwinism, but it's time to move along and we are dragging the world down
as well as our own nation. Think about it


          john stith
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:03:00 EDT
From:         CMORRISO@SNYESCVA.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Aztecs

Also we shouldn't forget that 1492 was the year the Jews and Moslems were
expelled from Spain.  Many of them became conversos and went to the New
World with Columbus.  When the Inquisition decided that wasn't good, they
had the Inquisition was sent to the New World, too, and the Jews had to leave
the Spanish colonies.  Many of them left for the Netherlands, and some of
them ended up in a place called New Amsterdam.  Thus did the first Jews arrive
in what is now the United States.  Or among the first Jews.

                                                Chris Morrison
                                                CMorriso@snyescva.bitnet
From: BRIDEC92@IRLEARN.UCD.IE (james p mcbride)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: RE: No joke!
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:15:23 GMT
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On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:19:00 EDT <CMORRISO@SNYESCVA> said:
>
>        Anybody who talks about "leftwing, liberal, unrealistic world of
>academia" obviously hasn't been reading much of the mail on this list for
>very long.  I wish you were back workin' in the oilfield, too, but go ahead
>

As a leftwinger in the not very leftwing, unrealistic world of Irish academia,
I can only second the thoughts of liese, when she didn't seem to eager to
see the abortion debate return.  Having endured this debate twice, (signed off
as a result the first time, went nomail until for about a month this time
around, I am not keen to endure it a third time.

>
>and post.  It doesn't bother me.  I just wish there were more overseas
>people on this list.  I think it is too American

I, and others, have tried to widen the debate at times.  However, there is
such a huge volume of mail regarding strictly American topics, that it is
difficult to get noticed.

>                                        Chris Morrison


james p mc bride
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:28:30 PDT
From:         "Mark C. Lawrence" <M.Lawrence@STANFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PostScript benchmarks

REPLY TO 10/12/92 12:55 FROM XEROX-L@TAMVM1.BITNET "The Xerox Discussion List":
PostScript benchmarks

>Sender:       The Xerox Discussion List <XEROX-L@TAMVM1.BITNET>
>From:         UDDRI@RICEVM1.BITNET
>Subject:      PostScript benchmarks
>
>With reference to the recent Xerox announcements it might be of interest
>for the readers of Xerox-L to study the following list of benchmarks.
>
>...
>This table is based on the "Doctor Laser"-benchmark test.  It reflects
>only the printers ability to perform this test.
>
>Printer                          Version         Time
>...[list deleted]

I assume the time is in seconds?  For how many pages?

I think for good benchmarks, you need both a small (1 page) test
and a large (>20 page) test, because there is a setup time per
job and a processing time per page.

Where can I get a copy of the benchmark test file?

Mark C. Lawrence
Systems Programmer
Stanford Data Center      internet M.Lawrence@forsythe.stanford.edu
Stanford, CA 94305-4136     bitnet M.Lawrence@STANFORD
(415) 723-4976

To:  XEROX-L@TAMVM1.BITNET
From: gl@ypedhs.no (GeirAge Leirvik)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Subject: Need references on high volume copiers
Keywords: Copiers, digital, high-volume
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:17:24 GMT
Followup-To: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Organization: Statens Yrkespedagogiske Hogskole


Guess this is the wrong newsgroup for my request, but it was the closest I could get. (To xerox = to make copies, someone told me .....)

I am looking for people with experience of the ( in Norway) newly released copier series from Kodak. Are there anyone out there with good or bad experiences with the Kodak 1570,1575 or 1580 digital copiers.

I need to know, because the norwegian market is a bit small on this kind of copiers. Just in case Kodak gave the series another name outside of Norway, the copiers are in the $60000 class has a 63 pages/minute scanner and is printing at a range of about 70 pages a minute.

Are there any competitors in this category of digital copiers? 
(I am not talking about the $350000 class Xerox Docutech, something a bit cheaper (read: less expensive))

I also need to know how people using the RICOH 8780 or 8880 (80 pages/min) copiers, like it..... ( I know, it is not a digital copier). Ability to produce  without unwanted stops is my main concern.

Geir
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:37:13 EDT
From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      re: notis ala printing on xerox lps

The folks from our campus library would like to print letters on
a XEROX 4090 generated with SAS. The problem is special characters.

They are using SAS to format the letters. If the data has accented
characters then the data will have two bytes of data. So for for
an umlaut the data stream will have the hexvaules of 28A4. This
assumes the accent is at 28 with the lower case u at A4. Of course
this does not print well with the standard Xerox font.

Does anyone use the Xerox 97xx, 4050, 4650, 4090 to print Notis data.
If so how to you handle the special character set?
I assume that outside of metcode there are two solutions.

1) Post-Process the file with a program that will scan the data stream
   for non-spacing characters and replace it and the next character
   with a pre-composed  character from one of our existing fonts.
   This would not handle all cases but should handle most of them.

2) Post-Process the file with a program that will scan the data stream
   for non-spacing characters and print the character on one line
   and the next character overprinted on the next line. With the ALA
   font this should handle all the cases.

Have I got this correctly scoped out? If not what am I missing.
Does anyone have a program to do the above that they can share.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Boyle  Computing Center             lenboyle@sbccvm.bitnet
SUNY at Stony Brook NY USA 11794-2400       lenboyle@ccvm.sunysb.edu
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:48:00 CET
From:         UDDRI@RICEVM1.BITNET
Subject:      PostScript benchmarks

With reference to the recent Xerox announcements it might be of interest
for the readers of Xerox-L to study the following list of benchmarks.

The interpretation of the PostScript code is either done by a specially
designed Raster Image Processor (RIP) in the printer or by software
running in a general purpose computer, i.e. PC, workstation or
mainframe.  How fast this is done is among other things dependent on how
much memory the RIP is equipped with.  It is commonly said that a 8 ppm
PostScript printer actually prints only one page every 8 minutes. The
table below shows that this is almost true in certain cases.

This table is based on the "Doctor Laser"-benchmark test.  It reflects
only the printers ability to perform this test.

Printer                          Version         Time
Entire Fibre 400                 300 dpi         9.16
Entire Fibre 400                 600 dpi        11.16
Entire Fibre 600                 300 dpi         5.16
Entire Fibre 600                 600 dpi         6.38
Entire Fibre 600, SUN Sparc 2.   600 dpi         3.35
IBM PS-AFP, VM/370                49.0           7.0
Xerox 4010 w/o co-proc.           13.3         121.5
Xerox 4030                        13.51         56.1
Xerox 4045 model 160              47.0          48.68
Xerox 4213                        47.0          36.77
Xerox 4700                        47.2          28.32
Xerox 5775 Fiery                1006.6           4.0
Xerox DocuTech MediaServer      2010.129         9.094

Can anyone supply the corresponding figures for the Xerox 390 and 350-HC
and any other Xerox PostScript printer?

Lars Bruzelius
Uppsala University Computer Center
Box 174,  S-751 04  Uppsala,  Sweden.

Telephone: +46 18 18 77 31    Bitnet:    uddri@seudac21
Telefax:   +46 18 51 66 00    Internet:  Lars_Bruzelius@udac.uu.se
From: M.Lawrence@STANFORD.BITNET (Mark C. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Subject: Printing accented characters on Xerox LPS
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:38:37 GMT
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REPLY TO 10/15/92 20:01 FROM XEROX-L@TAMVM1.BITNET "The Xerox Discussion List":
re: notis ala printing on xerox lps

Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU> said,
>Subject:      re: notis ala printing on xerox lps
>
>The folks from our campus library would like to print letters on
>a XEROX 4090 generated with SAS. The problem is special characters.
>
>They are using SAS to format the letters. If the data has accented
>characters then the data will have two bytes of data. So for for
>an umlaut the data stream will have the hexvaules of 28A4. This
>assumes the accent is at 28 with the lower case u at A4. Of course
>this does not print well with the standard Xerox font.
>
>Does anyone use the Xerox 97xx, 4050, 4650, 4090 to print Notis data.
>If so how to you handle the special character set?
>I assume that outside of metcode there are two solutions...

If the diacritical mark comes first in the data stream, and is defined
as having zero width, it will overprint the following character, with
no other processing necessary.  If your existing font doesn't define
these as zero width, you can use a font-editing program to fix them.

SAS to format letters???  Does that work as well as using SCRIPT
to do statistics?  [sorry Len, couldn't resist :-)]

Mark C. Lawrence
Systems Programmer     Internet: M.Lawrence@Forsythe.Stanford.edu
Stanford Data Center     Bitnet: M.Lawrence@STANFORD
Stanford, CA 94305-4136     Tel: (415) 723-4976

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From: wrenfro@ST6000.SCT.EDU ((William B. Renfro))
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xerox-l
Subject: Re: XEROX 4045 conversion to HP Laserjet III
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:47:34 GMT
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              "AFCO73%IRMFAO01.bitnet@tamvm1.tamu.edu" at Oct 14, 92 2:00 pm

Well XES (Xerox escape sequences) or UDK's as they are called are not
compatable to other languages. I having Worked for Xerox have still
not heard of any programs that do that type of conversions.  I would
be verry interested to hear of such a product.  By the way are there any other
Xerox Employees out there on this list????


Thanks
Will Renfro
wrenfro@sct.edu
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.libres
Subject: LIBRES Call for Articles/Reports/Drafts etc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:31:37 GMT
              Conference'" <LIBRES@KENTVM.BITNET>
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Dear LIBRES Subscribers,

Please submit articles for our Nov., Dec. and Jan. issues. You will retain
copyright and will be able to re-publish elsewhere.  We especially need
articles by reference librarians to give some balance to the discussions this
Fall.

Also, anyone interested in becoming a LIBRES editor please contact me for
details at dkovacs@kentvm.kent.edu  You will be more qualified if you
have an Internet accessible account.

Regards,
Diane K. Kovacs, Editor-in-Chief
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Subject: LIBRES 2.10 Notes & Queries
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:42:24 GMT
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LIBRES 2.10 Notes & Queries

Table of Contents

1. Text encoding and text analysis. (17 lines)

======================================================================
1.
Subject: Information request.

I am researching on text encoding and text analysis.
I will welcome Bibliographic information or other
helps related with this subjects.
thanks

F Zeidan.
e-mail: tucusito@kokuki.kuaero.kyoto-u.ac.jp



Kyoto University. Japan.
From: JFULLER@UMINN1.BITNET (John H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mailbook
Subject: CUA LNAME Anywhere?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:01:33 GMT
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Now that our  favorite MAIL system is (mostly) CUA  compliant, I'd like
to  provide  the  same  consistent interface  for  our  favorite  NAMES
software. Has  anyone updated,  rewritten, or otherwise  modified LNAME
to  provide  a  CUA  interface?  If  so,  shout  your  name  out  loud!
(please).

--------------
John H. Fuller
Computer Information & Services           USPS:  CIS
Phone:    (612)-624-7788                         50 Coffey Hall
Bitnet:   JFULLER@UMINN1                         1420 Eckles Ave.
Internet: JFULLER@VM1.SPCS.UMN.EDU               University of Minnesota
                                                 St. Paul, MN  55108
From: SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Richard A. Schafer)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mailbook
Subject: Re: Rice Mail 92.01.03
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:31:25 GMT
Organization: Networking & Computing Systems, Rice University
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:55:02 EDT Gary Sponseller said:
>I noticed that while in the read menu, PF2=Open while the "open" command
>(in the command area) is unknown.  However, the "read" command is valid
>(and no longer on the PF menu).  Isn't OPEN supposed to be the new command
>and READ should still work?

Yes, that's certainly what I intended to do.  The lack of "open" is a bug
which I will fix.

Thanks for the report.

Richard
From: DEBRA@IBRDVM1.BITNET (Deborah Daniel)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mailbook
Subject: Suggestions for handling unread mail
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:21:41 GMT
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     I would like to send a nondelivery notification for all mail that
has not been read in sixty days - is there a special feature of "Ricemail"
that does this (reply to sender after a time period)?  Does anyone have
suggestions for a way to do this automatically?
            Thank you.
From: SPONSELL@AKRONVM.BITNET (Gary Sponseller)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mailbook
Subject: Rice Mail 92.01.03
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:55:02 GMT
Organization: Academic User Services, The University of Akron
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I noticed that while in the read menu, PF2=Open while the "open" command
(in the command area) is unknown.  However, the "read" command is valid
(and no longer on the PF menu).  Isn't OPEN supposed to be the new command
and READ should still work?
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:25:00 -0400
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From:         "Tom Flemming,
              McMaster University HSL" <TOMFLEM@HSCVAX.CSU.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      RE: circulation status

Funny how as soon as you are asked a question like this -- What term
does your OPAC use to indicate availability of material in the
collection ? -- you can't quite remember, although you read it several
hundred times a day!

I am quite sure that our Library Circulation Database uses the term:
"IN LIBRARY" to indicate that material is not checked out at the moment.
We certainly don't use "ON SHELF", because in the HSL at any rate, that
would set too many patrons laughing around the catalogue terminals and
the noise is already more than we can manage to control!

The "IN LIBRARY" message is minimally truthful -- we know that much!
-- and not terribly encouraging ...  Regulars know that the collection gets
pawed over and pulled off the shelves frequently and material is often
not where you expect to find it, so they make the rounds of our
well-designated RESHELVING AREAS patiently and usually come up with what
they want if the "IN LIBRARY" message is still being displayed for the
title they want to use.

........................................................................
Tom Flemming                Internet:  tomflem@HSCvax.csu.McMaster.ca
Head of Public Services     Bitnet:    tomflem@McMaster
Health Sciences Library     Envoy 100: mac.lib.hsl
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:56:36 MST
              <CIRCPLUS@IDBSU.BITNET>
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: public domain

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:55:08 EDT Melissa Jadlos said:
>Does anyone know if campaign speeches are in the public domain?  A
>professor has copied speeches from Congressional Quarterly and placed
>them on reserve.
>
   I can't speak for the candidates, or for Congressional Quarterly.
I am NOT a lawyer.

   If the CQ issues in question say they are copyrighted, then they
are presumably claiming a compilation copyright, and then your copying
is probably illegal.  However, the speeches themselves are available on
the networks...with no copyright claims attached thereto....they are
on the CRTNET list, and on several others where there is interest in
speech and rhetoric.  Those copies appear to have no claim of
copyright.

dan

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:20:55 MST
              <CIRCPLUS@IDBSU.BITNET>
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Clutter

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:16:00 EDT you said:
>Don't you people have jobs?

   As far as I know, all members do, though that is not a requirement for
membership on the list.   Probably some students out there, too, learning
about the "real world".

>Out of 69 messages waiting for me, 58 were from Circpus.  And 12 of those
>were a discussion about having kleenex at the Circ. Desk.  The remaining
>11 messages were from the four other boards I subscribe to.

   Those must have accumulated over several days, as we've never had that
many in one day.

>Where, exactly, do you people find time to read all the clutter here?

   Well, some of us use lunch hours, coffee  breaks, the rare "slow times"
at the desk, etc.  Others also (or exclusively) read from home via
dialup.

>Don't you have any real people to talk to, must you socialize
>electronically?

   Well, as the "accumulation" of messages showed, this list performs
many services, including learning how others "do it good" in their
libraries, giving a chance to unload to colleagues, etc.

>Don't bother to answer that.  I'm "unsubscribing" today!

   Gee, that sounds like  a challenge.....   8-)

   So this is going to both the poster, and the list.  Don't know if
he/she has unsubbed yet, but this will make sure he/she gets it
anyway.

   This list has what I would consider to be "moderate traffic"
compared to others.  Heavier than some, but MUCH lighter than words-l,
wp51-l, and others that have  an average of 150-200 PER DAY!

   As always, this list will continue unmoderated, and subject to the
judgment of the members as to topics discussed.  Flames discouraged
in general.

      dan (listowner of circplus, etc.)

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:17:00 EST
              <CIRCPLUS@IDBSU.BITNET>
From:         "Louise Thibaudeau, BIBLIOTHEQUE" <I001@POLYTEC1.BITNET>
Subject:      Shelf space software

Is there anybody who knows a library software useful in allocating shelf
space during library move? We intend to install compact shelving stacks
in our periodical room during next Winter. Those new shelves will be
used to integrate and decompress our 2 fully crowded collections of
periodicals which are LC classified.

The software should help in drawing library stacks, calculate required
sections, keep track of empty space required for growth, etc.

You can respond to the list or directly to me. Thanks!

Louise Thibaudeau Head of access services Ecole Polytechnique de
Montreal

Bitnet: i001@polytek1 Tel : 514-340-4652 Fax : 514-340-4026
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