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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Where was this special effect used?
Date: 7 Nov 92 08:06:33 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <73751@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt4476a@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael David Alberghini) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.205023.44405@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>ALIEN LANGUAGE SIMULATION
>>
>>I used to do this as a kid; the idea is to produce the effect of an
>>alien speaking English. 
>>
>      Technique is basically:
>        
>      1.  Tape yourself talking backwards.
> 
>      2.  Play the tape backwards
> 
>>
>>If this is done fairly carefully, the result will be understandable
>>English, yet very alien-sounding--impossible to confuse with any
>>earthly foreign accent.
>>
>>  -- 
>>-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
>> OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor          
> 
>      I don't know of a movie where this was used but David Lynch uses it.
> In Twin Peaks all of his 'supernatural' characters speak like this.  It
> is not always so easy to understand.  Lynch had to use subtitles in both
> tv and movies.
> 
> 
> -- 
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-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor
From: amedrano@euler.ucsd.edu (Archie Medrano)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: ROBOT AND FOUNDATION ORDE
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:55:37 GMT
Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD

iThe last Foundation book, _Forward the Foundation_, should be
out next year.

Don't forget Isaac Asimov's Robot City (and Robots & Aliens) series.
These books are not written by him, but other new, young
authors.  The Robots & Aliens series comes right after Robot City
and there are six books in each series.  I have read all six of
Robot City and the first five of Robots & Aliens.  There is an
ad in Bks. 5 & 6 of Robot City about Bks. 7-12, but I have decided
that those are the 6 books of Robots & Aliens after reading those
first 5 of R&A.

Archie
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: computers in films
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:50:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~ (smintz@sedona.intel.com) wrote:
: 
: > that went crazy and attacked the creators wife in an attempt to procreate
: > (I think this was a Kirk Douglass movie) might be called something like
: > "Demon Seed" there's a guy on rec.arts.cult.movies who calls himself JUDEX

Computer was called JOSHUA, the film was Demon Seed, but it starred Julie
Christie and (I think) Fritz Weaver. The voice of the computer was Robert
Vaughn.

Pete
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From: rdosser@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (rdosser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re:  GOOSEBUMPERS!
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:38:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkux1.1992Nov10.213802.14225
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

I'm always a sucker for the final scene in "Silent Running," where,
Bruce Dern having blown up the Valley Forge, killing himself and the
damaged robot to throw everybody off track, the surviving
robot flies off into space in the last remaining forest dome, carefully
watering the plants. It brings tears to my eyes every time.
From: iacs2210@Oswego.EDU (Bob Ternosky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Hitchhiker's Douglas Adams
Summary: My one questioN
Keywords: Ultimate Question/42
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: iacs2210@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bob Ternosky)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

I think the main questions to ask after Mostly Harmless are :
                      
        1) Did Arthur Dream the whole thing
        2) It has been posited on alt.fan.douglas-adams that
           the ultimate question to life, the universe, and everything
           was asked by Eddie the on board computer of the Heart of Gold
           as "Pick a Number, Any Number" to me this is not a question but
           is a statement.  Has the ultimate question ever been asked in
           one of the Hitchhiker books?

Also don't forget to ask him if he can get an email address!

See YA!
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: I Liked Aliens - and so did a lot more people than did A3
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:16:52 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Nov4.145703.60389@cc.usu.edu>, by slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer):
> In article <6096@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>,
> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>> Meaning, "canon" is what you have seen?
 
>      What else do I have to go on?

That was not what I meant.  "Canon" means commonly accepted material.
Yet, you did define it as what you specifically, have experienced.

> It boils down to the "what's canon?" argument,
> which is apparently pointless (and has been described as so).  

Exactly, because "canon", in the absence of some higher authority,
simply means that people express their personal preferences - which
they do all the time anyway.  Renaming the process does not help the
issue.  This does not mean that discussion is pointless - film
discussions tend to be about interpretations, which often cannot be
"proved" correct - but that an explicit referernce to a canon is.

In other words, I agree with your conclusion.
-- 
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Deckard WAS a replicant!
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:34:00 GMT
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Reply-To: morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer)

In message <1992Nov9.132651.24710@sarah.albany.edu>:
gm1116@albnyvms.bitnet wrote:

G> Two: Towards the middle of the film, Deckard acquires some photos
 > from one of the rooms of one of the escapred replicants.  He
 > goes over these OLD photos with some high tech imaging, looking at
 > pictures in the mirror and all sorts of things.  These photo's have
 > NO relevance to his mission.  They will not help him to find the replicant.

        But the picture he ran through his high tech equipment *did*
        help him find Zhora, one of the replicants. If you remember
        the tatoo she had on her neck. In some way that was a clue to
        where he might find her.

Morten Steinhauer
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From: spongebo@cithara.uucp (THE EYE-BALL KID)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Deckard WAS a replica
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:57:20 EST
Organization: Local Testbed for network mail, we trust!

morten.steinhauer@thcave.no (Morten Steinhauer) writes:

> In message <1992Nov10.024222.5554@access.usask.ca>
> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
> 
> DD> Remember the fight seen between Leon and Deckard?  OK, at one point, when
>   > Leon's beating on Deckard, he punches _through_ a big, steel trash bin.  
>   > one or two scenes later, the hits Deckard two or three times in the stoma
>   > chest area.  If Deckard is not a replicant, why didn't he "splash", ie, w
>   > didn't Leon punch right through him.
> 
> DD> PS: Please don't say Leon was pulling his punches.  In a fight for my lif
>   > wouldn't; why should he?
> 
>         But he probably *was* pulling his punches. He was simply playing
>         with Deckard. Didn't Leon say something about "...time to
>         die.." just before starting to insert his fingers into
>         Deckard's eyes?
> 
> Morten

Sorry, I guess I might be coming in late on this one, but there's more 
data on that than you think:

DECKARD might have been a replicant because:
1: he kept pictures (like replicants), impossibly old pictures.
2: He dreamt of the Unicorn - and EJ Olmos KNEW about that dream. That's 
why he left the unicorn on the doorstep.
3: The MATH was wrong - "Six replicants jumped a shuttle, one got fried 
in an electrical feild," and Decard is assigned to kill only four. Five 
when you add Rachel, but she was created on Earth. Who is the extra 
Replicant?
4: When Rachel visits Decard there's a shot where Decards eyes turn red. 
This is not a mistake -- RED_EYE is easy for amatures with a flash, but a 
pain in the ass for DOP's. IE it's deliberate. Decard has eyes like a 
replicant.

The list goes on, but I won't get any more tedious.

Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

spongebo%cithara@comback.login.qc.ca
comback.login.qc.ca!cithara!spongebo
From: johnsonchris@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Computers in Films/TV
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:03:55 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1dbg39INNmrr@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, gumby@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Brian Gumminger) writes:
> 
> Here is the list I can come up with off hand:
> 
> Movies:
> Hal 9000 - 2001: A Space Oddessy (sp?)
> Sal ???? - 2010  (Hals new and improved counterpart)
> Joshua   - War Games
> Skynet   - Terminator/Terminator II
> Mother   - Alien

  Wasn't the computer in WarGames named WOPR?  I think that was the name of 
the army's computer.  I dunno. 
> 
> You might also include:
> Master Control Program , Zark - Tron (really parts of the computer)
> R2-D2, C3PO - Star Wars trilogy (computer brains)
> 
Tweekie!  Don't forget Tweekie!

--CLJ
From: bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: computers in films
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:30:50 GMT
	<1992Nov10.230315.11127@syacus.acus.oz.au>
Organization: IXI Ltd.


>"Orac" and ? in "Blake's Seven"?

the ? is Zen.

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From: iacs2210@Oswego.EDU (Bob Ternosky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: computers in films
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:39:14 GMT
Reply-To: iacs2210@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bob Ternosky)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1992Nov10.230315.11127@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>How about:
>The cubic-mile Krell computer in "Forbidden Planet"?
>"Marvin", the ship's computer and "Deep Thought" in "The hitch-hikers Guide..."?
In the Hitch-Hikers Guide To the Galaxy, Marvin was an android, the on board    ships computer was named Eddie.  Besides Deep thought there was also listed
about another 6 or 7 computers like: The Gargantuan Megabrain Of someplace...

see ya!
From: johnsonchris@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: computers in films
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:59:25 CDT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <mwojcik-051192125743@college23.sas.upenn.edu>, mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik) writes:
>> 
>> i'm collecting a list of all the names computers have been given
>> in sf films (eg colossus from the 'forbin project')
>> how many can you remember??
> 
> Interesting. Please E Mail me a final list when your done. Pleeeaaase.
> 
> Anyway, I'll add a few sketchy ones.
> Also in War Games: W.O.P.R. (War Operations Planned Response)
> There are a lot in HHGTTG like ...Gargantubrain... I can look them up for
> tomorrow (I don't have a copy at work B^)  )
> In the Movie Electric Dreams, there was a PC that became AI, I don't know

Yeah, I remember that movie..  The computer was named Edgar, I think. 
 
--CLJ

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From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:18:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.213828.27459@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael  
L. Kaufman) writes:
> In article <96641@netnews.upenn.edu> worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth)  
writes:
> >Not to be smug, but I have found a *major* error in T2. Ok, time travel back  
to
> >T1, when Michael Beihn says that only living tissue can go through the  
vortex.
> >Ok, to how did the T1000 (which is made of liquid metal and went through the
> >vortex right after the terminator in T1) go through? He should have been 
> >unable to get through. Think about it.
> 
> Well, don't be too smug. There are a number of simple explanations for this.
> My personal favorite is, Michael Beihn was wrong. As he went on to say, he  
was
> not a technition, and he didn't really understand the process. Perhaps it was
> more complicated then he knew. 
> 

If this is a T2 flaw, it's also a T1 flaw. After all, the Terminator sent back  
in T-1 wasn't composed of only living tissue....   ..bruce..
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: I Liked Alien 3
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:17:45 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Nov5.105646.8645@ac.dal.ca>, by 01fortec@ac.dal.ca:
> In article <6069@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>, mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>> From article <72709@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
>>> they had to nuke a colony that had less than 200 Aliens in it.

>> Because they were so incompetent in dealing with them.

> Explain, please?

I'm taking this to email, we've had all of this already.

-- 
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From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Subject: Re: Hitchhiker's Douglas Adams
Reply-To: eprice@sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:38:04 GMT

In article <hal.18.721066670@radio.wkar.msu.edu>
hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice) writes:

>Douglas Adams, author of "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", is coming to 
>our radio station to do an interview next Wednesday, November 11.  Does 
>anyone out there in sf land have any questions they would like answered?  If 
>you do, post them and we'll see what we can do (no promises.)

I have one: Had he read any Stanislaw Lem before writing his books?

The reason I'm curious is because Marvin reminds me a little bit of
the robot in Lem's story "Terminus".  And the improbability drive
reminds me of "The Third Sally, or The Dragons of Probability" from
_The Cyberiad_.  Maybe there were other reasons, but these are the two
that come to mind at the moment.

I would be intrigued to know if this is a real connection or if I'm
just crazy (or both of course).

Thanks,

-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sybase.com (not wildman@...)

PS Why is this in rec.arts.sf.*movies*?
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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Highlander
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:20:47 GMT

jennise@opus.dgi.COM (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if the 'European' version is avaliable on video in the
>US? 
>
>Jennise
	Is this version different from the US version?  How is it different?
Were there extra scenes added or something?  Please let this interested
Highlander fan know.  Thanks.
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From: martin@scs.carleton.ca (martin chidyausiku)
Subject: Re: Blade runner.....
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:40:35 GMT

Hi,

Could someone tell me whether Hrrison was also an anroid in the movie because
there is a scene where he holds a picture of "his family" and starts
daydreaming about a unicorn. Maybe this has been discussed before but I joined
this group recently and could have missed it.

Martin
From: mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: computers in films
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:05:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Organization: the University of Pennsylvania

> 
> i'm collecting a list of all the names computers have been given
> in sf films (eg colossus from the 'forbin project')
> how many can you remember??

Interesting. Please E Mail me a final list when your done. Pleeeaaase.

Anyway, I'll add a few sketchy ones.
Also in War Games: W.O.P.R. (War Operations Planned Response)
There are a lot in HHGTTG like ...Gargantubrain... I can look them up for
tomorrow (I don't have a copy at work B^)  )
In the Movie Electric Dreams, there was a PC that became AI, I don't know
if it was named or not. Also, there was a Movie about an AI home system
that went crazy and attacked the creators wife in an attempt to procreate
(I think this was a Kirk Douglass movie) might be called something like
"Demon Seed" there's a guy on rec.arts.cult.movies who calls himself JUDEX
who might know that one.
Try cross posting your request there: there is a similar thread going over
there about Christmas movies.
Good Luck!
From: rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: I Liked Alien 3
Date: 6 Nov 1992 21:45:52 GMT
Organization: Center for Information Technology Intergration, University of Michigan
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In article <73445@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
|> In article <3165@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
|> 
|> >You and I know that there was no difference in toughness
|> >between the A1 alien and the A2 aliens, but there are some people on
|> >this net who simply refuse to believe that and accuse Cameron of
|> >softening the aliens. I'll say it one more time for posterity: the only
|> >difference in toughness between the aliens in each film is the
|> >opposition that each has to combat. Nuff.
|> 
|> I'll say it one more time for those who are too dense to have understood the
|> last time.
|> 
|> The Alien in the first movie did not act like cannon fodder.  They had weapons
|> on board the ship.  Dallas even went after it with the flamethrower.  The
|> Alien chose to hide, and bide its time, and to actually SURVIVE, instead of
|> rushing headlong into a hail of bullets.
|> 
|> In the begining of the second movie, the Aliens acted intelligently, very like
|> the Alien in the first movie.  They hid, used their camoflauge to there
|> advantage, and wiped out a good portion of the Marines before the latter knew
|> what was going on.
|> 
|> Then, suddenly, for no apparent reason, they became stupid.  They made dumb
|> mistakes.  They tried to take out the Marines head on, simply because they
|> had the advantage of numbers.  This is stupid.  This is not how the Alien in
|> the first movie would have acted.  I maintain that had the crew had pulse
|> rifles in the original, the movie would have ended the exact same way, because
|> they would not have had any advantage.

Amazing. I think this means that Robert E. Lee was not a sentient being. I mean, 
hey, the Confederates played defense at the beginning of the war and did fine,
and then, gee, they went on the offensive into Pennsylvania and got crunched
at Gettysburg. 

At Cold Harbor Grant sent thousands of Union troops straight ahead into a
fortified position. They went. Was he less intelligent than in battles they had
won? Were they?

Sometimes intelligent beings make stupid errors. It can be a lack of information,
(What's a gun? says the Alien), or a lack of insight in a certain situation that
due to a lack of experience in that situation.

Or, it could be the absolute fact that in war, attacking is a whole lot
more dangerous than defending. Especially when the opposition has a dug in
position...


Sorry for all the Civil War stuff, but it seemed to apply since the ACW was
a new sort of war, sort of analagous to the new sort of war the Aliens had to
fight in "Aliens", ie against marines instead of wiping out colonists...
			Rob


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From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS vs ...
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:53:17 GMT
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Date Entered: 11-06-92 00:49
4(>CONCLUSION
4(>
4(>     Long Live Flash Gordon, Star Wars, Galactica, Buck Rogers, V,
4(>Alien Nation, Quantum Leap et al. Unpretentious entertainment for real
4(>people. Long Live the Twilight Zone and Outer Limits, real thinking person's
4(>science fiction. Star Trek ... great FX and/or soap opera.. but SF never.
4(>
4(>     Every time you buy a Star Drekk Pocket Book from Gene's professional
4(>hacks, you are taking away valuable time from reading real SF. Save your
4(>money. Only the books from the 1970's (from Blish and others) are worth your
4(>time.
4(>--
4(>
4(>John P. LaRocque
4(>J.LaRocque@uwo.ca
4(>

John, 

    I sympathize with you to a point.  Star Trek has been blown badly 
out of proportion by the Trekker/ies.  While it had many strong 
stories, and characters (and TNG continues in this line) it was/is 
hardly the be-all and end-all of s-f in the media.  However, I do like 
the show, and feel that, if nothing else, it is one of the few really 
interesting/intelligent programs on TV today, and will continue 
watching it.  As for the novels, I have chosen to ignore them.  Trek 
is, for me, an audio-visual experience, and the few written Trek 
stories I have read have not proven the equal of the TV shows.  As for 
the films, I enjoyed 2,3,4,6, but generally rank them as good 
entertainment, rather than great films.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada.
david.vaughan@rose.com

PS. I do agree that the other series/films that you mention are,
    by and large, superior to Trek.
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