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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:04:33 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1emo0gINN1ek@gap.caltech.edu> gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning) writes:

>>I don't think I want a car with an air bag because I've heard they can
>>blow your ear drums in certain situations because of the explosive inflation

>Don't bother considering it because it is absolutely false.I've been 
>designing airbag systems for six years now, and have had the chance to
>witness many crash tests.  You do NOT even hear the airbag inflate over
>the noise of the crash. While the sound of an airbag deploying by itself
>is quite loud, it is lost in the crash noise.  Don't worry.

The problem is not the noise level.  It is a pressure difference
sustained for longer than the lowest perceptible frequency which will
perforate a drum, in conditions when there is some impediment in the
Eustachian tubes, such as catarrh due to a cold. For example, it is
possible to suffer eardrum perforation when descending in an
aeroplane. I hope most airbag designers know more than you do about
what is involved in ear damage.

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From: qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Cindy Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: BMW/Servotronic
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:04:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Thanks, Eliot, for bringing forward the subject of Servotronic
steering in BMW's.  I had a lengthy test drive in a 735i, and I
was disappointed in the variable-assist steering it used.  It 
doesn't become meaty until about 60mph, which is way too late.
The steering is sloppy and loose, not unlike that of the Lexus
LS 400.  I always believed that the steering wheel is the most
important piece of communication between the driver and the road.
Can you believe they are going to install Servotronic on the M5 
as well?  Everything else about the car is good, but that horrid
steering just ruins everything that BMW is supposed to stand for.
The steering in the Q45 is Infinitely (pun intended) better than
that of the 7-series.  Now even Audi is using it; it has come
one step closer to the Acura Legend.           


--Aamir Qazi
  mail to: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

  p.s. the 325i is a great car; I do like BMW's, except for 
       the 7-series.


 

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From: 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:36:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <75556@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Gostin) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.065603.19747@r-node.gts.org> ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen) writes:
>> NHTSA has declared as safe the following, 
> ...
>>and antilock brakes.
> 
> What is wrong with antilock brakes? I hadn't ever heard anything
> negative about them, and can't think of anything off the top of
> my head. Just curious.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jill
> 
> -- 
> Jill Butterfield Gostin                EMAIL: jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu
> Georgia Institute of Technology, GTRI Modeling and Analysis Lab
> "Happiness is excitement that has found a settling down place..."
> -E.L. Konigsburg, _From the Mixed-up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler_
	First of all, Anti-Lokc brakes are VOO-DO safety.  The TV 
commercials are wrong to show how a Lumina or other vehicle can 
stop in very quick and short distances.  The real problem with 
safety features like these are that; The safer the driver feels 
the more likely they are too be in a wreck.
	Barron Daniels
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,alt.autos.antique
From: djrea@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.j.rea)
Subject: '67 Mustang for sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:53:25 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: mustang sale

1967 Mustang Coupe
Vintage Burgandy w/Black interior
289 cu. - 2 barrel
 
Exterior:
        Paint is 3 years old and still gets compliments at shows.
        New Ford Fenders & Quarter Panels.
        Floor pan - passenger side.
        Both outer-wheel houses are new (rear wheel-well).
Interior:
        Looks great!!
        New bench seat cover, carpet, dash panels & door panels.
Personal:
        I have had this car for around 6 years now. It has never had an
        accident (an occasional ding before the repaint). I have used
        new FORD metal whenever possible. The car is rarely driven
        except on Sundays...well...only on nice days. I don't like taking
        a risk of driving it in bad weather and having someone plow into
        it. I wish to sell it so I can purchase a home. I know..I know..
        I'll regret this in ten years. Only serious inquiries only. I
        wish to sell it to someone that will take good care of it. Also,
        I have kept it as close to stock as possible and it is garage kept
        under a car cover!
        
COST: $7,500.00 [ We can play with the price:-) ]
Name: David Rea
Phone: Days   (708)979-5343
       Nights (708)833-5683 (after 6:00)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:26:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.020743.8935@news.Hawaii.Edu>, ross@tarski.tmc.edu (David Ross) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov12.013141.7090@wam.umd.edu> jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
|> >Should we have a one licence to operate a manual transmisssion and one for  
|> >automatic
|> 
|> This is common outside the US (e.g., the U.K.);

No it's not. In the UK there is a separate category for those drivers
who have passed a driving test with an automatic transmission, and they're
not allowed to drive manual cars,

|> - David

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:46:51 GMT
Reply-To: exulox@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

This is what I recommend:

 Glue wellcro to a piece of wood, a block of cement, a tennis ball and
 a soft object. Stick them all together and hang them from a bunch of
 old tires attached in the garage ceiling and the wall.  Sit in the back
 seat and drive the car until you can see the car from the front nearing
 the wall. When the cement/wood/etc. breaks your windshield or antenna,
 you know you have gone too far and should back an inch or two or until
 the boxes that are stacked against the wall stops moving.

 This trick can be used successfully as a form of birth control if you
 set it up over the bed.  Never tried it together with lidar guns though.

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From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:51:42 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"And if I tailgate *and* take my eyes off the road for even a
	split second, then I shouldn't be on the road in the first
	place..."

It's not that complicated.  If you tailgate, then you shouldn't be on
the road in the first place.  Anybody who believes they can guarantee
100%, full-time attention to their driving is either in denial of
reality or just doesn't have a lot of miles on their life yet.  For
example, what are you going to do when an insect lands in your eye and
you involuntarily shut them tight?  Or when an out-of-the-blue cramp
hits?  Do you ever sneeze or cough?  Ever taken a misaligned high beam
in the eye and been blinded for a few moments?

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: rlindsay@trc.amoco.com (Richard O. Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:30:57 GMT
Reply-To: zrol01@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research

In article 16084@bnr.ca, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>In article <19NOV199209523290@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
>|> In article <2179@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes...
>|> >Let's drag it out into the sunlight.  You'd rather help feed a kid from
>|> >Detroit than a kid from Tsutsumi.  Is this not racism?
>|> 
>|> No, it's patriotism.
>
>Which is a far more dangerous problem than racism.
>

Atta boy Don!

I drive a Jaguar (now owned by Ford).  However, I don't care 
who made it, where they live or who got the money!  It's my
car.

>Don Clayton
>a.k.a. Admiral Maverick, DM of the Drow
>My brain, my thoughts, my words.

Don's sig stuff deleted.

Rick

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From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:31:42 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Nov22.035043.10022@news.acns.nwu.edu> MHz@nwu.edu (Mariam Hakim-Zargar) writes:
>So you believe that the more unsafe a car is- the less safety features it has-
>then the less likely it is that incompetent people will drive?!
>
     Almost, if there is less armour on a car, then fewer people will drive.
I made no comment about a car being unsafe.  IMHO collision survival equipment
is not necessarily safety equipment, especially the stuff that doesn't become
effective until there has already been a collision.
     My preferred mode of transportation (when temperature is above 20 degrees
F) is a motorcycle.  Many people think motorcycles are unsafe because they
don't have large bumpers, steel beams on the sides, roll bars, etc., ad
nauseatum.  But my 10+ year old motorcycles can swerve, accelerate, and brake
to avoid hazards much better than my 1991 compact car (purchased new).  When
riding a motorcycle I face many more hazards than when driving a car.  The
greatest hazards are the incompetent car drivers who refuse to recognize
motorcycles in traffic (who after a collision say 'I didn't see the
motorcycle.')  These car drivers 'feel safe' because they have the latest
collision survival devices but they are unsafe because they have become lazy
and don't search aggressively for other people using the street/road.  So with
their large bumpers, steel beams, air bags, ad nauseatum they go about
maiming/killing motorcyclists, bicyclists, pedestrians, etc.  Sometimes they
get another car driver too.

>     I really have to disagree with you (surprise!)  Most Americans with jobs
>HAVE to drive weather they like it or not; weather the are competent or not.
>Our goal in having more safety features is to keep people from getting killed.
>Maybe you are a good driver, but what about the drunk, incompetent driver who
>is going to run into you?  Maybe you are skilled, but you can't avoid
>everything.  (You, does not mean you personally.)
>      There will be a time, where your reflexes are not going to be
>fast enough, and there will be a time where you will be just cought between a
>rock and a hard place, becuase the guy next to you can't drive.. what are you
>going to do then?

If I become afraid of a situation like that I hope I have the sense to stop
driving/riding.

>But then again, how about the guy who is going to run into you?!  You can't
>always stop him!
>
I know, I've been dodging him for over 15 years when on the bikes. I just don'
t let him hit me.


-- 
Chas                         DoD #7769

"Oh, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?"
                                               - Firesign Theatre
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mazda 626 (was G20 vs Altima)
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) says:

>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>> 
>> So what is the mazda like? And unless the fuel economy is *really*
>> poor, I don't see how it can be a deciding factor in buying a car
>> of this size.
>
>Here is my comparison chart.  Cars are organized by overall size.
>As you can see, the Mazda has as much legroom as the Camry, somewhat
>less trunk space, but gets much better gas mileage.
>
>	Infnti	Mazda	Honda	Toyota	Volvo	Saab	Chry
>	G20	626	Accord	Camry	850	9000	LH***
>	-----	-----	-----	-----	-----	-----	-----
>eng	2.0	1.991	2.156*	2.164	2.4	2.3	3.3**
>len	174.8	184.4	185.2	187.8	183.5	188.2	201.7
>wid	66.7	68.9	67.1	69.7	69.3	69.4	74.4
>turn	35.4	35.4	36.1	35.4	33.5	35.8	37.6
>front	42.0	43.5	42.6	43.5	44.0	41.5	42.3
>rear	33.2	37.8	34.3	35.0	38.0	38.8	38.7
>trunk	14.2	14.2	14.4	14.9	14.7	17.8	16.7
>wgt	2745	2672	2778	2943	3148	3110	3335
>Cd	.30	.31	.33	?	.32	?	.31
>HP	140	118	125	125	168	150	153
>torq	132	127	137	145	162	157	177
>EPA	24/32	26/34	24/31	22/29	22/30	19/26	20/28
>ABS	std	opt	bad	opt	std	std	opt
>
>* SOHC, most others are DOHC
>** pushrod V6, all others are OHC
>*** manual transmission not available
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~well..there you go! that sinches 
that one for me! the SHO, or the T'bird..if i had the $$ for  ANY of them.
:(
DREW
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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:28:39 GMT

> ehsan@attila.UUCP () writes:
>
>hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
>thanks.

You don`t really need this. Here is what my parents did...

Pull the car into the garage and position it in the manner in which you
would like to have it parked. Then, tie a ping-pong ball or similar object
to the roof rafters of the garage, and have it hang down. Position the ping-
pong ball so that it just touches your windshield. Then, whenever you pull
into the garage, just pull up until the ping-pong ball touches your
windshield, and you will be perfect every time. 

Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.

Mike
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: WHAT IS A MITSUBISHI EXPORT ?????????
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:17:08 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

roneill@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Could someone please tell me or describe to me what a Mitsubishi Export is?
>...seats seven passengers... 
>...loaded with a number of "neat" features...
>...quite impressive to drive and was larger than a station wagon...

If it weren't for the "larger than a station wagon" bit, I'd think it was
the Mitsubishi/Plymouth/Dodge Colt, I believe there's a sort of mini-minivan
model of that.  It's larger than most modern compact wagons, but to me,
"larger than a station wagon" means larger than my dad's '69 Chrysler wagon.

That _might_ be what she's talking about.

-Shag

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From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:36:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Nov11.192457.13338@ctp.com>, bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
> In article <208@mogun.UUCP> dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov3.201840.16703@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, ca@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (christopher.arnone) writes:
> >> In article <1992Nov2.160735.4015@dvorak.amd.com>, martin@dvorak.amd.com (Martin Schuessler) writes:
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >Ya right, and if a speeder ran over someone you knew because he
> >was going to fast to stop you'd be the one yelling the loudest
> >that the cops don't pull enough speeders over!
> 
> Speeding doesn't kill, people who can't control their vehicles do the
> killing...

Kind of like people who can't control the speed of their car you mean?


> I'd bet that if all road had no speed limits at all, the total # of accidents
> wouldn't be raised significantly, although the # of fatalities might, since
> losing control because you're going faster than your ability to control
> the car is more likely to be fatal at higher speeds.

Oh, I had know idea that you were a civil engineer.



> BTW, I'm not for letting everyone drive 100MPH in Hyundais with their
> hands on the stereo tuner...  If I had my way, every driver would be
> required to attend Bob Bondourant's School of High Performance Driving
> before they could get their licenses!  Instead of slowing everyone down
> to the lowest common denominator, get some of the retards off the road!

And now you're a race car driver.

Listen, you're a young guy with a Mustang and you want to go fast
maybe you are a good driver but believe me those speed limits are there
for a reason, if you were distracted for even a second and the guy in
front of you nailed his brakes you need enough time to react and if
you're going 70 it will limit your reaction time.


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From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: Ford kicked my ass in court
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:12:09 GMT

In article <PHILG.92Nov18112615@zug.ai.mit.edu>, philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun) writes:
|> 
|> I promised to let you know how my motion to compel discovery went and
|> here is the somewhat sorry tale...

<sorry tale deleted>

I have been following this David-and-Goliath story with interest,
especially since you are representing yourself.  I am having trouble
understanding why after the obvious trouble you have gone to preparing
your case, you are willing to torpedo it now by posting every detail
about what you thought of the judge and the opposing lawyer, the basis 
for your next appeal, etc.  You are posting this stuff on the net.  
You may meet that same judge again in your next court appearance: you
are not doing yourself any favors.

Just a thought.

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From: billb@geek.ca.geac.com (Bill Bain)
Subject: Re: Ford kicked my ass in court
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:29:05 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Geac Computer Corporation

   There is a lesson to be learned here:  Buy a foreign car.
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:48:40 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov22.133613.12218@bsu-ucs>, 00bndaniels@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>	First of all, Anti-Lokc brakes are VOO-DO safety.  The TV 
>commercials are wrong to show how a Lumina or other vehicle can 
>stop in very quick and short distances.  The real problem with 
>safety features like these are that; The safer the driver feels 
>the more likely they are too be in a wreck.

Mr. Daniels: anti-lock brakes are not safer because of shorter stopping dis-
tances, they are safer because they will enable someone who is not a racing-car
trained threshold braking expert make the best use of available traction while
reducing the likelihood of putting the car into a helpless spin.  And even if
ignorant drivers don't know this, ABS will at least let them hit an obstacle
head-on, making the best use of the crumple-zone, belts and airbag, rather than
spinning the car and then slamming into an obstacle sideways, thereby
transferring the force of the collision to the car's weakest point.

Like any safety device, they work best in the hands of people who know what
they are, how they work, what they do, and what they _don't_ do.  But they
are still better even for very ignorant drivers who will simply mash the
brake and close their eyes.

As for your last remark, a simple reductio ad absurdum would have us tooling
around in non-crumple-zones, drum-brake-equipped, non-seatbelted, monstrous-
ities designed to make us feel as unsafe as possible in order to reduce
wrecks.  That's stupid, Barron.  The cure for bad drivers is to cure bad
driving, not to blame the technology because it isn't perfectly idiot-proof.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
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Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
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