HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How can the bookmakers favor SC?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 20:00:37 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble) writes:

>What People Expect Will Happen:
>  (Notice I said "people", not "bettors")
>  Otherwise known as Conventional Wisdom.  Usually exactly what Lee
>  Corso says cannot possibly happen.  This says that Arizona will
>  pound the living squat out of SC.  Even SC people who have posted so
>  far think that is what will happen.  Anit-woofing aside, this is
>  highly unusual for SC fans.  Anit-woofs are kind of like the Dark
>  Side of the Force for SC fans.

I think USC will win a close one, but what do I know, I am not
anit-woofing or anything!

>The Vegas Line:

>  But, the betting public is not structured as "one man, one vote", it
>  is "one dollar wagered, one vote".  So, in cases like this one,
>  where there are several tens of thousands of disgustingly rich
>  USC alumni who go to Vegas every weekend to place a bet on the
>  good ole Crimson and Gold, as opposed to the little old grandmothers
>  in Tucson who haven't been to Vegas since the bunions started acting
>  up, the line is influenced by money likely to be wagered.  While
>  the grandmother/tycoon theory may not adequately explain this week's
>  Arizona-Southern Cal spread, there is undoubtedly some simliar
>  explanation, like SC bets are always high on weeks with New Moons,
>  or something scientific.  So, knock off all this "I can't believe
>  that SC is the favorite this week, what a bunch of morons!"

SC bets are always high after they lose at Stanford, a once in every 
17 (or something close to that) year occurence.

>Brian

Geaux Treauxjans!
Skin the Cats!
Dispose of the Westwood Ruins!
Neutralize  Neuter Dame! 
(surely the law of large numbers must be with SC on this last one) 

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:10:44 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov9.175812.14453@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK) writes:
>In article <1992Nov09.142148.15310@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.020341.25233@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK) writes:
>>>Um, actually, it wasn't the player's fault. He was told by "Mr. Choke" Bowden
>>>to try and make something happen. Of course, the wrong thing happened. Just
>>>another screw up by everybody's so-called "saint". Don't go blaming players
>>>for the fuck-ups of moronic coaches.
>>
>>Well, you can easily fault Mr. Bowden for the call, but I don't remember 
>>seeing him suited up and dropping the ball.  As I remember, the player 
>>fumbled the ball...  Maybe it is just a faulty memory, but even though the
>>idea was bad, the execution was worse...
>
>That's not the point. The point was that it was simply a stupid call. The 
>field position the kicker was punting from would generally mean that the ball
>will go into the endzone (I assume this 'cause they don't have a really great
>punter). This would mean that FSU would have the ball at the 20 yard line...
>which, by the way, would probably have been their best starting field position
>in the whole damn game. From that vantage point their last drive may have
>actually had a chance. Instead, they had to take a safety and give the ball to
>Miami. It's just a stupid call on the part of the coaches.

Again, Mr. Bowden did not tell his played to "fumble the ball".  He may have
told him to run it out, and though you may disagree with the call, if the
player would have handled the ball, he may have been able to get some good
yardage.  As it was, the PLAYER fumbled the ball, thus giving Miami the 
safety and the ball.  
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From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Subject: WolfPack Bowl Rumors
Originator: bsricker@c00482-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:24:32 GMT


According to this mornings News and Observer ...

If the Pack wins this weekend against Duke (We are favored by 16) and next
week against Wake Forest, N.C. State will either play Georgia in Gator Bowl or 
Penn St in the Blockbuster Bowl.  If we lose either of those games, N.C. State
would play in either the John Hancock Bowl or the Peach Bowl (again).


Cheers,
B
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From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Billy Joe Hobert
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:46:44 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu



	Anyone knows what is the PAC-10 ruling on Hobert and the Huskies?

- Chung Yang
From: pluto@stein.u.washington.edu (The Lonely Planet)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Apple Cup (was Re: Washington vs. Arizona)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:18:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.171847.25106
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <X2A=70#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>

>> 
>> Please, do what you can to get your football team to adopt the above
>> attitude.  :-}
>
>	If the Huskies were undefeated.  Yes, I will agree with you that
>they should be weary of the Cougers.  But not after the heartbreaking lost
>to Arizona.  The monkey's off Washington's back now.  They can be as good
>as they want to be.  
>
    Loss may not be bad at all. Did you see what Stanford did
    to USC? I think most people would not have thought Stanford
    could beat USC after their loss to Huskies, so do anyone
    think that USC can beat the Wildcat on Saturday after their
    loss to Stanford? I do.
 
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From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: Re: Nebraska defeats Colorado
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college 
Summary: NOTHING IMPORTANT
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:13:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.183042.6871@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.000633.25832@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov10.162647.19659@den.mmc.com> weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser) writes:
>>>
>>>I think the only positive thing that can be said about this guy is that maybe
>>>he will graduate some day and lose is access to the net.
>>>
>>
>>Not in the near future... but I might become tired of fighting morons like you.

BWAHAHA :-) Maybe I should take Njan out of my kill file since he seems to be
getting more and more out of touch as the season progresses and more tolerable
as cheap source of entertainment.


>>
>>>Matt Weiser
>>
>>Njan
>
>The pot calling the kettle black, perhaps?

I believe this is an accurate use for this tired cliche.


>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-7-92)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:48:28 GMT

From article <1992Nov11.182254.28874@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, by lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson):
>>
>>Though the Citrus Bowl bid looks to be in good shape with Ohio State, the
>>Holiday Bowl apparently has an escape clause if the Big Ten's third place
>>team doesn't win at least 8 times.  Since that can't happen now, who knows
>>what the San Diego bowl will do...
>>
>>
>>STANDINGS
>>               CONF CONF CONF   CONF   ALL  ALL  ALL     ALL   PF   PA
>>               WINS LOSS TIES    PCT   WINS LOSS TIES    PCT
>>               ---- ---- ----  -----   ---- ---- ----   ----  ---  ---
>>MICHIGAN          6    0    0  1.000      8    0    1   .944  358  105
>>OHIO STATE        4    2    0   .667      7    2    0   .778  217  114
>>MICHIGAN STATE    4    2    0   .667      4    5    0   .444  193  234
> 
		IOWA???  If Iowa wins the rest of their games, they would
be ahead of MSU in the Big Ten, and would go to the Holiday if they
would take a Big Ten.
	I personally think that since they got an 10-1, top ten, Iowa team
last year, they SHOULD take the Big Ten third place, even if it is 
Wisconsin.

-- 
	Timothy J. Shannon    	e-mail -  timothy-shannon@uiowa.edu
"I certainly don't want to quit playing Iowa State. Not at all.  I mean 
we're 10-and-0 (vs.ISU in the last 10 years) That would be silly" 
- Hayden Fry when asked if he would prefer to play Div.I-AA UNI instead.
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Udub?? What is a "udub"???
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:44:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.172441.5182@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie) writes:
> 
> (BTW, a local radio station was talking this morning about a representative
> of the Independance Bowl, who had been talking with the UW staff.  Lord
> know why . . . )

Think that's weird?  Try this:  the Poulan people will have scouts at
the RU/WVU to look at *both* teams.  An (at best) 7-4 RU team or an
(at best) 6-3-2 WVU team --  worthy of the name "weedeater" I guess.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for RU to go to a bowl, any bowl,
but it's really not justified.

Let me be the first:  WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR!  RU RUles, baby.

> 
> -- 
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> mckinzie@math.wisc.edu | they might as well buy David Cassidy lunch boxes.
> UW Dept. of Mathematics|
> Madison, WI 53706      |                  -David Cassidy-


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: My Top 25
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:21:13 GMT

 In article <XjB=-X=@engin.umich.edu>, quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
 says:

>In article <1992Nov10.135342.10153@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>>rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>|> >>just to add another poll into the works, i thought i'd post my
>|> >>vote to the rsfc poll, with a little commentary......
>|> >>
>|> >>1. Alabama. Roll f*cking Tide, Roll. No real reason to put them ahead
>|> >>            of Miami and A&M, but I dont like to move teams up on
>|> >>            an idle week, so miami has to stay at #2
>|> >
>|> >Yet you moved Alabama up?  Go figure.
>|> 
>|> He moved Alabama up because 1.  Alabama beat LSU, and 2.  he felt like it.
>|> Both of which fall within his stated criteria--not moving up teams that
>|> coming off an idle week.
>|> 
>|> Jim Thomas
>|> Penn State

Yeah! And besides Alabama is 9-0 and Miami is 8-0 so Alabama should be #1 !!

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From: imes@puffer.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions 11-14
Keywords: NCAA, Computer Predictions
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: rec, usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:45:16 GMT

In article <1277@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
>Here are the predictions by my computer algorithm.  This is my first try
>at using the algorithm on college games.  I am about 75% against the spread
>in NFL games.  I have tested my algorithm on college games and made a few
>minor adjustments and seem to be doing fairly well.
>
>Penn State  41
>Notre Dame  27

Can't quite agree with this one, especially since ND is at home.  Granted, they
lost to Stanford at home and lost 2 years ago vs. PSU at home but that was then
and this is now.  ND 24 - PSU 10

>Arizona     51
>USC         20

If the spread is 31 and O/U is 71, I'll take USC with the points and under.
In fact, I'll take USC over Arizona.  USC 21 - UA 20

>Oregon St.  23
>Washington  24

Too close, take UW with your spread.  UW 38 - Oregon St. 7

>Temple       8
>Miami        9

Way too close, Miami 42 - Temple 10

>Illinois    13
>Michigan    10

Not at Michigan.  UM 31 - Illinois 14

>Ohio State   3
>Indiana     27

OSU is playing for a major bowl bid right now, IU isn't.  And OSU is peaking.  
OSU 21 - IU 17

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CIS Undergraduate Student	                 "The brain doesn't need blood,
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From: wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:06:43 GMT

Well for all you over-footballed, under-educated Miami folks
out there, I only have two words for you.

CRIMSON TIDE!

I think you hear me knocking
and I think I'm coming in.

And I'm bringing the Alabama football team, and their
smashmouth, 3 yards and a cloud of dust style with me, and
we're gonna see how your overpaid, overconfident, over-rated,
under-educated football players stand up against them.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!    FLAME ON!

YOU'LL WORK FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME IN THE LONG RUN!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Subject: Michigan Arranges Tune-up for Irish
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:44:33 GMT

Michigan has moved its 1993 against Washington State from Sept 18 to Sept 4.
That means that Michigan will now have a tune-up before they meet Notre Dame
on Sept 11.

--
Mike Cornwall
mike@spss.com
From: ds4@soc11.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: stat of the day
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:00:07 GMT

In article <BxIDID.zn@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
|> 
|> Washington Post 11-10-92
|> 
|> 
|>   
|> 
|> The NCAA Division 1-A football teams with the best regular season records
|> for three consecutive seasons during the last decade (1982-1991):
|> 
|> 
|> MIAMI      32-1-0     1985-87
|> MIAMI      32-1-0     1986-88
|> MIAMI      31-2-0     1987-89
|> OKLAHOMA   31-2-0     1985-87
|> BYU        33-3-0     1983-85
|> NEBRASKA   32-3-0     1982-84
|> 
|> 
|> SOURCES: World Features Syndicate; NCAA

One word:  Domination
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mp@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (Manoj Kumar Patel)
Subject:  Virginia vs NCSU game (was My Top 25)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:38:33 GMT

rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>14. NC State   They sure cleaned Virginia's clock. However, as UVA is in
>               fold-up mode I think Navy could play 'em close now.
>-rob


Hmmm, no-one brought this up yet, so I may as well (no you don't have
a choice in the matter).

I felt that the game could have been very different if the Virginia
offense could have gotten started (though NCSU would still have won
of course :-). 

However, Virginia "fans" never allowed that to happen.

Goodman overthrew his very first pass (a few plays into the game), and
the fans started booing right away. What a way to help a QB shrug off
a missed pass and gain some confidence.

Anyway, Goodman rarely passed after that (until the end of the first
half when they had to move the ball quickly).
State pretty much only had to cover the run. If Goodman had thrown
a few more passes and spread our offense a little more...

It was unbelievable. I have heard other teams being booed by their own
fans before, but right after ONE missed pass? only a few plays into the
game?

They didn't let up later either (though they did have the decency to
give the defense a standing O when they played well).

This hurts the Cavs in many ways:

1) any recruits attending were probably not impressed by the booing.

2) the offense never really got a chance to get settled.

3) any bowl scouts there will (and should) assume that booing fans are not
   likely to pay big bucks to attend a bowl game.

Any thoughts? Explanations from Cav fans?

On a better note, Kirby was amazing. If he hadn't been injured
(and if Va. fans gave their team a chance to win) he would be
a Heisman candidate. It usually took 2/3 players to stop him
(I don't mean stop him for no gain, I mean stop him after the first
down).  He seemed to move the ball at will. Kudos to the State 
Defense for somehow stopping Va. from scoring (too many).

    Manoj
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:23:40 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How does TV work?
 <skipb.720822534@cwis> <1992Nov3.213841.16279@cs.uoregon.edu>
 <Kx-=0C#@engin.umich.edu>

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out how ABC picks its games.
They're actually televising Alabama-LSU?!?!  To a certain extent
I'm grateful; I'm actually going to see the game.  But at the same time,
you gotta wonder what's going through their minds.


Jim Thomas
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:40:52 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions 11-14
Distribution: rec

Hey!!  What about Alabama-Mississippi State?


Jim
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:06:41 CST
From:         Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Nebraska's rival is KU?
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.football.college

>
>In article <of0aCt600WBLI1PPII@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Susan R. Wagner"
><sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>I'm still trying to figure out why you tore the goal posts down after
>the CU game!  So to add on, why *would* you tear down the posts after
>the KU game?  You still haven't officially won the Big 8. According to
>some of your fans, this is the only time you DO tear down goal posts!

Well, I was at both games and I can see the reason why we (not me) tore
down the goalposts after the Colorado game, but don't know why we tried
after the Kansas game.  The Colorado effort was a pretty concerted effort
by a lot of happy Huskers, but the Kansas onslought was done by much
smaller group of mostly drunk college students and was greeted by a
general chorus of booing from most of the fans in the stands.  It was
really senseless.  I thought it was cool that they failed (and got really
greasy I would guess) - I've never seen drunk people give up on anything
so easily...

As for the Colorado game, it was simply a joyous occasion with no fading
in the action to slowly calm the fans like the Kansas game.  Everyone
knew the posts were toast that game.  It was the first big game we had
won in a long time.  Had we beaten Washington last year, we would have
tore down the posts then too.  Same would have been true of any 'name'
school, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc., even though we wouldn't feel we had
a rivalry with them either.  It is true we think of you as a worthy
opponent now, but I wouldn't call it a rivalry, as most Huskers concur.

>Which in previous years, was decided in the Oklahoma/Nebraksa game.  Or
>was this just a pre-celebration of the Oklahoma game and since it is in
>Norman, it was decided that the posts should come down and you can't
>very well tear down Oklahoma's posts unless your Oklahoma.  Just curious.

Well, the last time we did tear down the posts was the last win against
Oklahoma in Lincoln last year.  We haven't forgotten what they put us
through in the seventies yet.  Any victory over OU is really sweet,
probably still the best.  It is just incredibly annoying to lose to
Colorado, so avoiding it is a tremendous relief.  Joy itself still best
comes from beating the Sooners.  I'm still worried about that game now
the the 'bone is back...

Bapi

>Susan Wagner
>Colorado Buffalo fan in Pittsburgh, PA
>
>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: j_hardin@oz.plymouth.edu (James J. Hardin)
Subject: Verbal Bashing Of Miami
Reply-To: j_hardin@oz.plymouth.edu (James J. Hardin)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:51:41 GMT

 This verbal bashing of Miami is gettig ridiculous.  Needless to say,
I am a die-hard Hurricanes fan and I find humor when people verbally
assault Miami.  People have always found something wrong Miami's
football team and I find it pointless to engage in a debate over who
is a better team than who.  I think Miami's record speaks for itself.
Go ahead and analyze strength of schedule, home field advantage, and
all the luck involved.  I don't care.  I have been hearing the same
thing for the last 9 years.  Besides, that is what being a fan is all about.

The thing that bothers me is the slander directed at Miami pertaining
to some off-field problems.  Some examples include:  calling Miami
players convicts and uneducated.  Calling them classless, etc,etc.

True, Miami has had their share of problems of the field, most
recently the financial-aid scandal.  But they run a clean program and
have never been on probation, unlike countless others schools.
Since many of Miami's players are from Miami, the football team 
somewhat reflects the city itself:  flashy, flamboyant, confident, and
emotional.  Sure the players have been out of control at times, but
Dennis Erickson has done a good job channelling that emotion into
something positive.  No other team plays harder than Miami.  They know
how to win.  They may not play good all the time, but they play good
when it counts the most.

All you ignorant people can keep on saying what you want, it doesn't
make a damn bit of difference, nobody is listening.  

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Brooks for Heisman
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov9.213849.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> <1992Nov10.041320.22830@news.nd.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:49:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.041320.22830@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@neumann.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

   If the Heisman is really supposed to be given for an individual's
   performance during a season, then Reggie Brooks definitely has
   to be considered among the front runners.

Sure.

   On top of all this, he posted these numbers while having to
   split time with All American Candidate Jerome Bettis and
   other Irish backs.  He's the first Irish back to gain
   1000+ yards in the Lou Holtz era.

   I'd like to hear some other opinions on this.

I think that Brooks is going to be hurt because of all the tools around him.
How many carries has he gotten compared to the other top backs at ND?  You've
also got a highly rated qb/te/wr selection to distract the defense from
Brooks, and a line with several NFL caliber players.  Plus he came out of no
where, unless you happen to follow ND very closely in the off season.

He certainly seems to be one of the top backs, maybe the 'best'.  But my
guess would be that these other issues will hurt his chances some.

Bill



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