HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: Humility ... was( Re: Xenix considered harm...)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:52:56 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1992Sep07.014123.8784@ksmith.uucp> keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>1.  Security is only as good as the lock on the front door of the
>building, and the viability/availability of the backup tape. 

Wrong.  Security is only as strong as the weakest link in the chain.
If the weakest link happens to be the lock on the computer room door,
or the lock on the backup-tape cabinet, then what you say is true.
But I can always buy better locks and stronger doors if the ones I have
aren't sufficient.  Can I buy better locks and stronger doors for
Xenix?

>Security is really a form of damage control.

In some forms it is.  In other forms, security may just be a way of
ensuring that you'll know about it if someone breaks in.  Or security
may be a way of discouraging people from trying to break in in the
first place.  Or security may be a way of absolutely preventing them
from breaking in.  (For an example of this last type, see the security
systems used at NORAD/Cheyenne Mountain when it was still
operational.)

What security is to you depends a great deal on how valuable your data
is to you, how valuable it is to someone else, and how determined
someone else is to break in.

>3.  Many net guru's on other groups are administering large sites on
>university campuses full of bright young people like you with too much
>time on their hands, so this security issue is like paramount.

Gee, thanks.  I'm not sure whether to feel complimented or insulted.

>upwards of 10 years, and seen products come an go.  Hell 2 years ago SCO
>tried to kill off Xenix.  Lasted about a month, till Michaels & Co came
>back and recended the earlier declaration of dropping Xenix.  (Oh no, 
>someone was misquoted, We had no intention my ass! :) )

Seems to me like a good reason why resellers should phase out Xenix.
You may believe in sticking with Xenix until it goes down for the
third time.  But keep in mind that if SCO wants to kill Xenix, they
will, regardless of what the market seems to want.  Whining by
customers may help to prolong Xenix, but in the end SCO is going to
win simply because they have ultimate control over the situation.  If
you don't like this, purchase the Xenix license from SCO and start
distributing and supporting it yourself.

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
From: mauricio@MOZART.AERO.UFL.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Help on acoustic modem
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:55:34 GMT


	Yesterday, I added a LEX-11 Acoustic Modem to my collection. 
Unfortunately, I have only the modem itself; its power supply is
missing and I have no idea of what this modem requirements are.  Can
anyone help me on that?
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From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: uNIX on tired iron FAQ
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 07:54:22 EDT
Organization: LORC Enterprises

LOGIN@cbnewse.cb.att.com writes:
> > The old Xenix-286 was also able to run with 1M (or less?) of memory, but
> > I guess it is still supported by SCO (?).
> > 	Dan Lau
> 
> What about the Tandy 6000 and Microsoft/Tandy XENIX. It would run on 768K
> of memory. Or even better yet. When Tandy first introduced XENIX to the
> world (~1983) it would run on their Model 16A with only 256K of memory
> required. A real dog, but it would run. All of these were M68000 based boxes
> so maybe that says something about the Itel chip family.

Ah, Xenix-68K... I have three of these beasties, all old Model 16B's that have
been, ..err... *modified* a little.  When you are talking that one of these has
a 6MHZ Z80 speedup and a 12MHz 68010 upgrade (the instructions to go to a
68010 is included as part of the 3.2 Dev Sys in a .tar file in /usr/lib), with
a 4 MB RAM upgrade.... I guess that qualifies as *modified*.  Only one machine
is running a 68010 (it's a 10Mhz 010, but it hums nicely at 12 as long as I
keep the temp down (and with a fair-sized heatsink on the 010).  The others
are running 68K's, one at 8Mhz and the other at 12.

However, even the T6K Xenix is not the ultimate in small size.  How about
2BSD for the PDP-11??  Or, better yet, Cromix for the Z80.  Both of these are
limited to a logical memory space of 64K.  Cromix required 192K, I believe. I
have seen PDP 11/23's running 2BSD with a mere 256K.

> Steve Dawson

--

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant, GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC
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From: smanicka@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Senthilkumar Manickavasagam)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: SPARC
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:59:48 GMT
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens


  I'm looking for some good intro materials on SPARC
  (Scalabel Processor ARChitectues). If any one of
  U there came acros some paper, a book or.. any indepth
  material please let me know.
  Reply to me at 
    senthil@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
  (or)
 
    smanicka@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu  
    
  thanks in advance
  Senthil
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: boltz@chopin.psu.edu (Mark Boltz)
Subject: Internet Connection (VA Area)
Summary: How to get one?
Keywords:  internet, leased-lines, help, bananas 
Organization: Penn State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:23:05 GMT

I have a friend (who is more knowledgeable about computers than I) who would
like to know how one goes about connecting a machine to the Internet.  How
much would such a connection cost, do we need a leased-line, what about 'slip'
who do we contact, how do we contact them, other considerations, etc...  
Anyone who has done this or knows how (for the Virginia area), would
you please e-mail me the info at boltz@vivaldi.psu.edu or post to comp.misc if
you can't reach that address.

I appreciate the help...

Mark Boltz
boltz@vivaldi.psu.edu
PS... The machine will most likely be a 486-50 with Interactive Unix from
SunSoft... n'case that's important :)


Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Jeff Blaine)
Subject: Need small .ps file to test out
Followup-To:  poster
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  PS
Reply-To: jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution:  world
Date:  7 SEP 92 04:46:17    

I am looking for a small PostScript file to test some software out on.
If someone could point me to an FTP site with a small doc file or 
something I would appreciate it.  I would rather not spend an hour or
so trying to drudge through directories trying to find a decent sized
ps file to FTP and download to my PC.  Thanks!

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Newsgroups: comp.misc,alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re:   uNIX on tired iron FAQ Re: Help Me!!!
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:18:53 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <id.PZ2T.1AA@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.024619.28642@ceilidh.beartrack.com> dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (Don Nichols (DoN.)) writes:
>>      Are you sure about this?
>[Sperry 5000/60 being VME]
>I was, but I was wrong. "'taint what you don't know that's the problem, it's
>what you know that ain't so".
>> I've been wondering where I could get the pinout for them so I
>> could try hanging some memory, etc, on them.
>You could ask Sperry.
Try asking on comp.sys.unisys, there seems to be a marked increase in Unisys
awareness/access to the net in the last coupla months...
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

Newsgroups: comp.misc,alt.folklore.computers,comp.unix.misc
From: jwbirdsa@picarefy.picarefy.com (James W. Birdsall)
Subject: Re: uNIX on tired iron FAQ
Organization: Green Tiger Software
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:17:36 GMT

In article <id.WKWS.O4A@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>If anyone
>has any information about Onyx, Fortune, Plexus, Zeus, 3b1, HP Integral, Wicat,

   Well, for the 3B1 just snag the FAQ from comp.sys.3b1. There's still an
active user community, and rather a large number of 3B1's with net
connections (picarefy.com used to be a 3B1 until I got a Sun 3/60).

>I'd like
>to include some info on anything that will run on 286 and older 386 machines
>(say, under 4M (4M is small? Say it ain't so!)...).

   Well, here's two:

PC/IX (Personal Computer Interactive Executive)
Based on: SysIII
Ported by: Interactive Systems Corp.
Marketed by: IBM
Known versions: 1.0, 1.1 (released to support the PC/AT)
Timeframe: 1984
Minimum system: PC/XT, 256K, 10M HD
Remarks: Finicky about hardware -- does not like RLL disks, extended
  keyboards, or almost anything else modern. I could only get it running
  when I got ahold of an all-original PC/XT. Supports tiny and small memory
  models only. Manuals written with a sense of humor ("...discovering that
  the new kernel has just swapped over a user file system can be
  disappointing."). Does NOT include vi or dozens of other familiar
  utilities (e.g., I had to write my own version of "clear" for it).
  Compiler has only partial support for "void" type and only the first
  seven or eight characters of identifiers are significant (argh!).
  Drops characters when uucp'ing at 9600 baud; 4800 is mostly reliable,
  with only occasional dropouts.

IN/ix 
Based on: SysV
Ported by: Interactive Systems Corp.
Marketed by: Media Software & Systems Inc.
Known versions: 1.0
Timeframe: 1987
Minimum system: PC/XT, 512K, 10M HD
Remarks: May not ever have been released for sale. Includes lots of office
  automation software. The only manual included with the floppies is about
  this office software. MSS is gone and don't bother asking Interactive
  for any of the other manuals. Includes vi, csh; missing other familiar
  utilities. Inspection of /etc/magic indicates that it supports tiny
  and small memory models, and possibly allows overlays. Compiler supports
  long identifiers.


-- 
James W. Birdsall                            jwbirdsa@picarefy.picarefy.com
Compu$erve: 71261,1731    GEnie: J.BIRDSALL2    America On-Line: GreenTiger
          "For it is the doom of men that they forget." -- Merlin
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From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.periphs,comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Looking for OCR hardware
Summary: Need to scan survey results
Keywords: ocr
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:08:43 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: A Planet Of His Own
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu

I will be sending out a large number of surveys next year, and am looking
for info on hardware that can scan specially prepared forms -- you know,
like ACT, the Census and schools use.

Any information on these machines and a source (new or used) for them
is greatly appreciated.

If there is enough interest, I will post responses.

					- greg

-- 
Greg Trotter -- Norman, Oklahoma
greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: zaid@seas.gwu.edu (Zaid AL-wandawi)
Subject: Product advertising
Originator: zaid@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:58:08 GMT

Hi,

	I am trying to advertise a product to HW/SW developers & resellers.
It seems that most of the magazines I'm familiar with are intended for people
who buy rather than sell computer products. 
	If anyone can answer the following questions I will grately
 appreciate it:


	1. If I have an account with online services such as CompuServe, Ao
	 AppleLink, etc., can I place adds there?

	2. Any magazine(s) out there specificaly for HW/SW developers?

	3. Any other online services I should know about?

	4. How about this service? can I place an add in these news groups?

	My add would appear with product inf. and contact number. I would 
like to place my company's name also, but thats not a priority. Please, E-Mail
me any information and advice that you might think is of value and I will 
forward it to whom ever requests it. Thank you in advance for your help.
Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wanted,news.answers
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Magazine subscription... suggestions?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:56:05 GMT

In article <22539@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> you@ems.cdc.com writes:
> 4) Byte - medium adds, covers most type PC (Mac, Amiga, IBM, specials)

Interesting definition of "covers". And for that matter "medium". Just
stripping out the bingo cards (as I usually do) typically cuts the mag
in half... but let's get back to my first point...

Byte - lots of ads, covers IBM-PC, a little Mac, occasional bones thrown
	to others. Pournelle's column is good for a laugh.

Here's a better magazine:

Dr Dobb's Journal of Computer Calisthenics and Orthodontia - no longer
	published, but the current Dr Dobb's Journal is reasonably good
	if a little too IBM-PC-ish.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                               `-_-'
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                                    'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012
+1 713 274 5180                                   Har du kramat din varg idag?
From: rec@aim.com (Bob Cousins)
Subject: Re: What is AIM stand for ?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.220401.434@odin.corp.sgi.com> ricky@benchmaster.esd.sgi.com (Ricky Cheng) writes:
>Does anyone know what AIM stand for ?
>"AIM" is the AIM benchmark from AIM Technology.
>
>Ricky

I believe that you are asking what an "AIM" is in terms of the unit of 
system-level performance measured on the AIM Performance Report. 

First of all, we use five primary criteria to evaluate and rate systems:
	Peak Performance measured in "AIM"s
	User Loads
	Utilities performance
	System Throughput
	Price

AIMs is a measure of peak performance--the ability of the system to handle
a multitasking load consisting of a standard mix of common operations. A
common low-end workstation today such as a Sun IPX is rated at 14.4 AIMs.
However, a large, multiprocessor machine such as the Encore Infinity 90 model 40
is rated at 238.5 AIMs.

For more information, look in  your AIM Price Performance Guide. (If you 
don't have one, send mail to benchinfo@aim.com. Be sure to include
your name, company, and US Mail address. AIM will send a free PPG 
as long as you are in the US. International customers must pay for
shipping.)


-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Robert Cousins                    rec@aim.com                  (408)748-8649x212
Consultant to Aim Technology                          Speaking for myself alone.
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: rariss@wx.gtegsc.com (Rushdi A. Ariss)
Subject: What is the Landmark Rating?
Organization: GTE Govt Sys, IIPO, Weather Sys Engr
Distribution: all
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:36:15 GMT


	I'd like to know what the Landmark Rating for a PC means. Is there 
some software that is available to test out a unit under this?  Is is free/
shareware, or do you have to fork out much moola?  Your help would be 
appreciated.

	Thanks in advance.

	Rushdi A. Ariss
	rariss@wx.gtegsc.com
	or
	rariss@vax.csun.edu
From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: [l/m 3/17/92] music to benchmark by	(7/28)	c.be FAQ
Keywords: who, what, where, when, why, how
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 11:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

7	Music to benchmark by					<This panel>
8	Benchmark types
9	Linpack
10
11
12	Measurement Environments
13
14
15	12 Ways to Fool the Masses with Benchmarks
16	SPEC
17	Benchmark invalidation methods
18
19	WPI Benchmark
20	Equivalence
21	TPC
22
23
24
25	Ridiculously short benchmarks
26	Other miscellaneous benchmarks
27
28	References
1	Introduction to the FAQ chain and netiquette
2
3	PERFECT
4
5	Performance Metrics
6

Benchmarking takes time.  Might as well listen to something useful.
Hey, engineers and scientists need some general education requirements and
to see the generally inteconnectedness of computing to the rest of the
world.

The Photographer by Philip Glass.
[Also "How to Get away with Second Degree Murder."]

Einstein at the Beach by Philip Glass.

"Democratic Process"
"Cowboy Lips"
"Art For Art's Sake" 
all off the "The Bobs" album on Kaleidoscope Records "K-18"
(P.O. box O, El Cerrito, CA, 94530)
[Excellent!  You are RIGHT!  SIGGRAPH 1984 as a good example]
jason@cs.utexas.edu

Dmitri Shostakovich
Aram Khachaturian
Sergei Prokofiev

as well as major cello concerti throughout the ages.  Paul Chihara's work
before he started writing for movies (if you can find it) is also good.
 
Or, if you're benchmarking a 16-processor Cray Y-MP C90, Chopin's Minute Waltz.

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From: shafer@CS.ColoState.EDU (spencer shafer)
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
Subject: Xstones ratings
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:47:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Could someone tell me where to find some Xstone ratings for some 
different platforms -- looking for a range to get a feel for
how they do as a measurement.

Thanks.

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From: charette@cheetah.det.dec.com (Mark Charette)
Subject: Test
Reply-To: charette@cheetah.det.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:36:22 GMT

Sorry - my tin is making up some interesting From: lines.

--
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Fisher Engineering Systems   |today.
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(313) 280-0703               | 
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: [l/m 4/6/92] New FAQ scaffold (6/28)		c.be FAQ
Keywords: who, what, where, when, why, how
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 11:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)

6	Temporary scaffold of New FAQ material			<this panel>
7	Music to benchmark by
8	Benchmark types
9	Linpack
10
11
12	Benchmark Environments
13
14
15	12 Ways to Fool the Masses with Benchmarks
16	SPEC
17	Benchmark invalidation methods
18
19	WPI Benchmark
20	Equivalence
21	TPC
22
23	RFC 1242 terminology (network benchmarking)
24
25	Ridiculously short benchmarks
26	Other miscellaneous benchmarks
27
28	References
1	Introduction to FAQ chain and netiquette
2	Benchmarking concepts
3	PERFECT Club/Suite
4
5	Performance Metrics

Terminology
	Evaluation
	Analysis
		Mean Value Analysis
	Measurement
Model
Equivalence
	Languages
	Surrogates

Minimal benchmarks
	Kernels
	Tests
Simulations of benchmarks
Results data base
Source code
	Version control
Reduciability
Representativeness
	Functionality, how do you know it works? (correctness)
Testing

Workloads.

Output
	Analysis
	Interpretation
	Statistics, Composites, Averages, means, variance,
		Normalized numbers
	Graphics

Who
Virtual work
Application characterization

Kinds of benchmarkers
People who have to take numbers by faith.
People who reproduce but do so blindly.
People with the time and energy to do so.

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From: nilsch@eik.ii.uib.no (Nils Chr. Hertzberg)
Subject: The exponential function exp()
Organization: Institute of Informatics, University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 12:56:33 GMT

Hi there!

Can anyone tell me how many floating point operations the
exponential function exp() counts as with a C compiler on
a UNIX system?

Nils
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Department of Informatics
University of Bergen
NORWAY
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
From: larose@thud.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose)
Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: What [does] AIM stand for ?
Keywords: AIM
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: larose@thud.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: thud.cs.utk.edu


>>  What [does] AIM stand for ?

  I have the Spring 1992 Price/Performance Guide in my hands
and I can't find out what AIM stands for.   It seems they
only refer to themselves as:

       AIM Technology
       4699 Old Ironsides Drive, Suite 150
       Santa Clara, CA 95054
       Phone:   408-748-8649
                1-800-848-UNIX
                         ^
                         |
                       hmmmm..

     one has to wonder if they are associated with AT&T.  Berkeley Systems
 Design, Inc  got a MAJOR lawsuit from AT&T by trying to put a 1(800)-ITS-UNIX
 number in it's publications.  I bet either AT&T is intentionally trying to 
 kill BSDI, OR owns some interest in AIM technology...

Personally, I'd stick to public domain benchmarks.

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