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From: Allan Keeton <akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Musical Theory (Tweezer)
Reply-To: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:21:58 GMT


Or the troubles of ingrown postings  . . .

Whoa Isaac! ( sorry for the mispell - my posts are phull of typos). I
didn't mean my post as a flame either. I thought Ethan's post was a very
interesting post about a very intricate song. Besides,  even IF I
thought the post was obscure, who the hell would I be to flame that?
After all I have have tried so hard to be as obscure as possible - like
i said it is a spiritual art!
	The Lurkzone comment (& the post #) was in reference to a previous post of mine ( I should watch self referential postings - ingrown - but I
probably won't). The gist of that post was precisely that many lurkers
have got some great things to say & that they should post them & not be
afraid of making a fool of themselves. I thought that I was already
making quite of fool of myself & loving it. The Lurkzone is where posts
go that are thought up my lurkers but not posted. I was saying & I will
say again here & now.
	Ethan, please post again. I know you have some great stuff & you
are obviously passionate about a subject that I love (after all I
started this thread!)  
	I have added the orginal Lurkerpost below. Now let's have some
phun.
					Allan!
						

Fstorwarded message:
| From sdcc12!network.ucsd.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!uvaarpa!mmdf Tue Jan  5 15:35:25 PST 1993
| Article: 6231 of rec.music.phish
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| From: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu (Allan Keeton)
| Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
| Subject: Heavy Lurking
| Message-ID: <1993Jan5.223613.28300@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>
| Date: 5 Jan 93 22:36:13 GMT
| Sender: mmdf@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU (Mail System)
| Reply-To: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
| Organization: The Internet
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| 
| I about about to break a sacred trust with Lurkers everywhere . . . but,
| the truth must out! Enfolded into the normal posts of you the normal
| net. posters are the virtual posts that the Lurkers thought about
| posting but never did. Don't expect to see them unless you are a genuine
| Lurker. And don't expect to save up UPC symbols (the modern world
| eschewing box-tops for these little patches of zebra skin) off some
| future Dude O' Life or Sugar Frosted Phish Crispies cereal boxes to send
| away for a Lurker Decoder Ring. Oh No, to see these beauts one must
| seriously lurk. Lurk as if your life depended on it! I'm talking supreme
| lurk-NESS here . . . Locust level lurking. If you do, then you monitor
| will begin to swirl & the words will take on a multicolred hue. Instead
| of the usual integer post numbers you'll notice that there sub- posts
| will have irrational numbers (the posts themselves, however, can be
| quite lucid).
| 	Sorry, for letting the family secret out - but as a
| semi-recently reformed Lurker I thought the net should know.
| 
| 			-Allan
| 			I post, therefore I am.
| 
| 

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: face@world.std.com (Scott Shurr)
Subject: NYE tapes winners
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:30:50 GMT

The first 5 responses to my NYE tape offer came from:

Chip Olson                   olson@husc.harvard.edu
Donald Edmund Edenfeld       dee2p@virginia.edu
Brian Jeffrey Cook           bjpc@engin.umich.edu
Mike Jenkins                 jenkins@helios.phy.ohiou.edu
David Konerding              rafael@cats.ucsc.edu
Benjamin Jameson McCurtain   bm1q+@andrew.cmu.edu

The response was enormous.  Maybe some of the above 6 would volunteer to
be branches for the tree offered by Kurt Overberg.
--Scott face@world.std.com
From: Global Rivers Env Educ Network <greenxcultrl@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:17 PST
Subject: Re: sound system
Nf-ID: #R:1993Jan8.190012.15365@uvaarpa.vi:2014760603:cdp:1628700029:000:983
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!greenxcultrl    Jan 11 09:17:00 1993


 With regards to Phish's sound, I would agree there are some
problems. One is loudness. At Chicago I thought it was excessively
loud(luckily I had earplugs), and the same goes for both
Michigan shows. This wasn't a problem at New Years, since the
room was so big, but then there seemed to be a lot of echo. I aks,
I means also(excuse slight grammar fart), there seemed to be a
weird squelching sound at times during the New Years show. I
specifically remember it during Stah, although I do't think it
came through on the radio brioadcast. I also heard this noise on
a tape of the Springfield show. Does this result from Paul
pushing the system too hard? To fill bigger venues with sound
it would seem Paul would need every ounce from their system. I
donn"t know. I would like to hear more from others on this.
                     Take care-Brian\
brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
  
please excuse all my spelling and grammar errors, I am not familiar
with the editor on this machine:-)

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: mgoldbrg@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Goldberg)
Subject: NYE WBCN broadcast
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:57:52 GMT

Hey there!  I have a really good copy of NYE broadcast and while I would
rather not set up a tree, I'd be happy to trade on an individual basis.  For
those who don't know, the broadcast was done without commercials or even
station identification during the sets, so that's a nice thing to keep in
mind.  I missed about five seconds of a couple songs due to poor anticipation
of flip times, but other than that, it's probably the best sounding tape i
have, and I taped the sets on 3 high quality 90 mins.

My review:  I Couldn't imagine a better way to spend NYE, and my friend was
really lucky to find an extra ticket right on the T on the way there. 
Everything worked out great, and the free T fare after the show was a bonus. 
I especially liked Divided Sky, Wilson, Stash, and the Gamehendge narration.

-Mark.
P.S. fluffHEAD!?

-- 
* Mark L. Goldberg *********************************** "Hal, for God's sakes, *
* mgoldbrg@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ******************** would'ya hit the wipers?" *
* Department of Radio/Television/Film ********************** -David Letterman *
* Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois ******************************* *
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: GWAN@ruby.vcu.edu
Subject: Reserved Seating and Taping
Reply-To: GWAN@ruby.vcu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:42:27 GMT

Hi everyone!!
I have a question concerning reserved seating and taping of Phish shows.  
During their Spring and Summer 92 tours all of the shows that I taped were
all general admission.  I was just wondering since there are no "official"
taper section tickets for Phish, what is the deal with venues with reserved
seating??  
Thanks,
George J. Wan
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Matt Laurence <mlaurenc@world.std.com>
Subject: No Trax show...
Reply-To: mlaurenc@world.std.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:13:32 GMT


Ellis Of L. wrote that, after 15 shows he never had to
drive to,

|Now I find out that I've got to actually drive to see
|a Spring show.

Hey, bud, count yourself as lucky. Some pholks have to drive
HOURS to see ANY shows, and then there are those who have
still NEVER seen them! I myself used to be easily able to
hop over to the Paradise, Somerville Theater, etc. to
see the guys... but for the last six months, AND STILL
on the first leg of spring tour, EVERYONE from Mass. Can't
even see a show in state! They seem to have forgone
massachusetts altogether. No more Amherst shows, no
somerville theater, just the Orpheum (and no plans for there
either). So you're a lucky guy if there's one in your
state!

Just think - you COULD live in Alaska!

Matt

P.S. WHO CARES!?!??! Spring tour is only a month away! Yeehaw!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 05-Jan-1993 1905 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Who'z brooze iz whooze?
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:18:53 GMT

From: Allan Keeton <akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu>
| Rich Fromm ... It just gets me wondering whether you have a name for your
| suds. 

Welcome boys and girls to the official:

                "1993 Name Rich Fromm's Phishy Beer Contest"

All requests for tickets must be written on a 3"x5" index card... 

[oops! wrong contest... ;-)]

Howbut:         "Fluffy-Head Ale" 
or:             "Foam Beer (shake well before opening)"
or my favorite: "Whatever you do, take care of your brew!"

- jeff-who's-other-hobby-is-homebrewing
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: koverber@cs.ulowell.edu (Kurt Overberg)
Subject: John Greene - Animator!
Originator: koverber@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:16:42 GMT


Last night I went the showing of the New England SIGGRAPH video show.
Basically it was 2 hours of computer animation done by Universities 
and companies.  There was a piece in the show called, 
"The Amazing Waldo" and it was done by The University of Mass.
Amerst.  And one of the producers (or directors) was our own 
John Greene! (There could be more than one John Greene at UMass, 
but I remember seeing in his .sig that he was a Mac Animator, and
this animation was done entirely on Macs).  It was a very cool
animation (esp. that it was done on all Macs), but unfortunately
there was no Phish theme music...(or even YeP!) :(  Oh well... 
can't win them all.
Good Job, John! 

					peace out.

					   -kurt

P.S. - NYE tree is up to 81 people!

-- 
Kurt Overberg            | I honestly doubt you care about my opinions ;^)
U of Mass, Lowell        | "Poke a double-decker on a Llama taboot,       
koverber@cs.ulowell.edu  |  Llama taboot, taboot!"      -Phish
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 08-Jan-1993 1343 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: sound system
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:00:12 GMT

I was wondering what other folks think of Phish's current sound system.
After seeing them 3 times this fall (Albany, Springfield, and NYE) I'm
convinced that they need a new/better sound system for playing the larger
venues.

I've noticed that they consistently pump very little bass drum or bass
guitar through their PA system.  The high frequencies coming from the PA are
painful, and the mids and low-mids are all rather muffled.  (I wonder if
that's because they've run out of power???)  Also, there seems to be a LOT
of midrange and low-mid echo.  While a hockey rink gives them a pretty damn
good excuse for not having good sound, they sounded rather crappy at
Springfield, and Albany wasn't much better.  (FYI, the Springfield show was
held in a 'Symphony Hall' and I consider the Palace Theater in Albany to be
layed out for excellent acoustics too.)

It seems to me that they're still treating their PA system as many bands do
when playing clubs -- as a fill-in/backup system that is supplimental to
their on-stage sound.  

I've always loved Phish because they sounded so great live.  And since it's
no longer possible to be in the front row for every show ;-) I can't enjoy
Phish like I once did...  sniffle, wimper, sob.

With all the discussions about people not wanting Phish to get 'huge' for
fear of the ugly Dead-show-like scene that would inevitably follow, I never
expected them to sacrifice the 'quality' of their music in the interest of
bigger venues, more fans, and more money... 


- jeff-praying-for-good-sound-at-Roseland!!!

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Allan Keeton <akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu>
Subject: On a wing & a hinge
Reply-To: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:02:22 GMT

The crux of the Gamehenge saga seems to me to rest with our Mocking
friend. This as birds often represent inspiration or are the messengers
at the crossroads. The deceptivly small carriers of the "twist of fate"
which affects the fork down which the raging torrent of experience must
now proceed. It is tres important here that our flying ex machina is not
the the soft & lovely white dove of purity (aaaahhhhhh, oooohhh) but
rather a trickster - a Mocking-bird. 
	We are then smack dab (if anyone has a photo or a desription of
a dab, smacked or otherwise please email me) in the Native American
storytelling tradtion. Other clues: Read-Icculus.
	One big question - why is the ol' bird so famous? (perhaps
infamous? any gamehenge enquirerer photos of the bird drinking in bars
with the Sloth would be appreciated!)
					-2^3
					akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
From: Benjamin.M.Brainard@dartmouth.edu
Subject: rift cover
Reply-To: Benjamin.M.Brainard@dartmouth.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:37:42 GMT

Hello everyone.  Pardon if this has been posted already, but I just returned
from vacation and missed all the stuff that happened on this wonderful forum
since Dec. 8.  Anyway, I caught a glimpse of the cover for rift in the
electra january releases bulletin, and it seems to be a man layed
*lengthwise* on his be, which is sitting (most noticably) on top of a *maze*. 
The room is sort of oval shaped (BTW, no more song refrences as I can't
remember the list) and it has many windows (sort of like picture windows, one
next to another, going along the wall).  It appears that the windows are open
and that a wind is blowing through them.  It looked sort of stormy outside,
but I don't know as the picture was in b+w and it was also fairly tiny.  It 
also seems like we're looking through a door into this scene, though I don't
remember.  These are just my impressions of the picture, and they are done
from memory, but in general the cover looked interestiingly different from
the other covers, mainly because it seemed to be a painting, like an oil
painting.  In other words, it seems a bit more realistic than a pollock cover
would have, if you know what I mean. :-)
Does anyone have any more info on this?   Like the artist?

and now for.....

tape grovel:Does anyone have Keswick tapes from this tour (11.25.92)?  It was
a first show, and I'd like to cherish the memories. Thanks!

fav. line (of the moment): "the road was his end, his end was the road, so
they say"

fav. quote: either "Thanks for the beer"- Trey, before YEM, from Hamilton
10.31.88
or
"This one's dedicated to Cam Nealy!!!"-various members of the band at various
times during Somerville 5.3.91 
Fishman: "That's Trey's hero"

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Allan Keeton <akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Marley knows Phish.
Reply-To: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:39:25 GMT

Didja' ever notice that if you take Ian McClean's farm tape & play
Marley's "vocals" backwards real sloo o o o o wly you get ancient
Phoenician which if you translate  you get enlightened about every
Phishy thing in the universe? . . . let's see,  . . . picking up my handy pocket
Phoenician dictionary  . . .  wooof bark . . .  rrrrrrruffff - backwards
is  . . . fffurrrrrr   . . . krab fooow        = wheat shafts growing out of
mummy character which means  . . . . Oh, wait!!!! That ancient egyptian
heiroglyphs not Phoenician . . . ooops my mistake . . . sorry . . .
never mind!
					2^3
					akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: David Berger <berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: I Need My Own Tape List
Reply-To: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:10:23 GMT

I still need a copy of my own tape list.  If you have a version,
please email it to me.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 11-Jan-1993 1639 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: re:  Reserved Seating and Taping
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:54:12 GMT

From: GWAN@ruby.vcu.edu
| I was just wondering since there are no "official" taper section tickets
| for Phish, what is the deal with venues with reserved seating?

Until Phish sets up a mail-order ticket service (like GDTS...) the deal is,
more or less, probably going to be something like this:
    You can tape Phish, but you have to do it from behind the board.  If you
    don't have seats back there, you'll have to find some way to get 'em.

Recent Phish taping experiences:
Recently (i.e. sometime during the Fall 1992 tour) the band decided to no
longer allow FOB taping.  At Albany (11-20) it was okay to tape fob, but at
Springfield it wasn't.  Both shows were reserved seating.  My understanding
is that it's okay to tape anywhere except fob.  

At Springfield, we were told that we had to trade our 14th row seats for
some in the "taper's section" (i.e. next to and behind the soundboard) if we
wanted to tape.  If we couldn't tape from behind the board, they wouldn't
let us set up.  So we went up to the balcony.  We dealt with security (which
was cool about it), and there were some nice folks that let us stay in
exchange for our floor seats.

FWIW, at NYE we "stealthed" up front and didn't get hassled about it... 
...probably because they knew our tapes would come out sh!tty anyway.  8-\

- jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Fran Bradford <bradford@pcmail.schev.edu>
Subject: New Phisher
Reply-To: bradford@pcmail.schev.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:54:13 GMT

Howdy from below the Mason Dixon Line:

     I just write to say hello and thanks. I am fairly new to Phish, but am
enjoying the net and the conversations that appear. 

     My first experience with Phish was in 1989-90 at show at Earlham College
(home of the the Hustling Quakers) where I graduated in 1990. (Not that you
would know that from my display of stellar writing skills) I have since seen
them once here in Richmond, Va. last summer and I am anxious for their
return. 

     It is getting harder and harder to find friends to go to the shows with
since I have played my Phish Cd for them and no one seems to like it as much
as I. I swear that they are 10 times better live, but I generally have to
bribe people to go to the show.

     Sorry to take up so much net space, but I wanted to say hey. I hope to
see some of you here in Richmond when they come through. And thanks to scott
who has offered me first taste of live Phish on tape. An offer I intend to
take him up on.

     Fran 

     
Fran Bradford 
225-2613
From: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu (Allan Keeton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: more re: wing & a hinge
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:45:14 GMT
Reply-To: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
Organization: The Internet

Time for a small disclaimer:
	I am not claiming that Gamehenge = Mockingbird. Nor do i think
that i have a handle on what the saga means (I don't even know what
meaning means). There just seems to be some nice soft soil gathered
around the image of the mockingbird & I love to play in the dirt! BTW, I
think the one in the sky makes a great mascot (it is the only animal
save the lizards in the saga). I guess that Phish thinks so as well - given
the reviews of NYE.



		. . . precious birthday fudge  . . .
					allan
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Subject: PERSONAL TO MIKE HAMAD - TAPE TREE
Reply-To: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:19:30 GMT

I, too, have had only bounces trying to reach you for the MacLain's
Farm tape.  Please contact me at mh1406@student.law.duke.edu or 919-
383-9476.  I think our problem is bitnet/internet coversion related.

Matt Heller
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU
Subject: No Virginia shows? :-(((((
Reply-To: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:30:39 GMT

I can't believe it.  I've seen 9 shows in this state, 6 just up
the street at the nicest place you could find, Trax, which just
got new neon ceiling decorations that would look REALLY cool
under the super-strobe.  Now I find out that I've got to actually
drive to see Spring shows?  Is a Trax or Floodzone (Richmond)
show definitely out? Why?


Guess I'll go down and visit the rents in Atlanta for my 22nd
birthday Feb 20th, but hey!  Things are changing mighty quick!


ELLIS OF LEMURIA  email: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
   snail mail: P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA 22903
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
motto: keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train!!  :-)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Brian Neil Katz <bnkatz@papaya.wustl.edu>
Subject: New Year's Set List
Reply-To: bnkatz@papaya.wustl.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:53:40 GMT

     Sorry to have to post this over the entire .net, but I just got
back from break.  I'm sure someone must have posted the exact set
list from New Year's Eve.  If anyone remembers which digest number it 

was posted on, or if anyone wants to drop me a line with the set  
list, I would be most grateful (No, that was NOT a Dead reference!)
Thanks in advance to the kind soul


                                           Brian
                                           bnkatz@pear.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Rich Fromm 12-Jan-1993 0948 <fromm@rock.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: sound system
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:52:47 GMT

jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy) writes:

|Springfield had unclear vocals also,  but I was right above the stage on the
|side so I'm sure it must have been better in front.

yes, it was; i spent the first set hovering above fishman in the balcony, and
the second set down in front; the sound was a hell of a lot better during the 
second set

|Portchester and New Haven, which are roughly the same size as Springfield,
|both have great sound.

i wasn't at new haven, but i will agree that portchester was a lot better than
springfield (and at portchester i also spent time both in the balcony and on the 
floor)

|I personally thought the sound NYE was excellent in
|view of the arena; I couldn't have been happier.

while the acoustics of the arena are a big contributing factor, i still think 
they could have done a lot better; i've seen a few shows of "some other band 
with a large tour following" at another hockey rink in boston with equally
lousy acoustics (the garden), and the sound was a lot better than phish @ nye

|Roseland....See you there!

ditto

- rich
From: mercury@terapin.com (Mercury Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Alien Phishhead!
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:05:36 PST
Organization: BBS

My version of a Phluffhead, Alien style!

                              
                             +       ++       + 
                              +      ++      +
                               +     ++     + 
                                +    ++    +  
                                 +   ++   +
                                  +  ++  +   
                                   000000 
                                 0000000000 
                   0 0 0 0     00000000000000    0 0 0 0
                    0 0 0 0 0000000000000000000 0 0 0 0
                     0 0 0 000000000000000000000 0 0 0 
                      0 0 00000000000000000000000 0 0
                       0 0000000000000000000000000 0
                        000000000000000000000000000
            
             
                             ^^^^^       ^^^^

                              (**)  (**)  (**)

                                
                                   000000
                        
                                      !

Yanked down my tunic and dangled my STASH!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Allan Keeton <akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: Musical Theory (Tweezer)
Reply-To: akeeton@euclid.ucsd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:21:59 GMT