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From: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs. Florida State in 1993
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:32:25 GMT
Reply-To: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Nov18.153544.23819@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Justin Frederich writes:
>>game will be in Orlando which at least 200 miles South of Tallahassee.

'bout 250 miles.

>Let's think about this.  Will moving the game to Orlando change the 
>partisanship such that the crowd will be pro-Notre Dame?  I serriously doubt 

Pat is absolutely correct. It is a 4 hour drive (if you drive like me!)
from Tallahasee to Orlando. Loads of people go down for these games.
Also, although traditionally Orlando and the rest of Central Florida is
overwhelmingly pro-UF, rather than FSU, this is changing. The population
increase in Orlando, enrollment increase at FSU (nearly 30k now, almost
as big as UF), and FSU gaining many bandwagon fans in the 80s have all
contributed to making Central Florida plenty hospitable to FSU. 

>it.  FSU will still enjoy a very substantial home field advantage.  Further, 
>teh Citrus bowl hold aproximately 10,000 more butts than Doak.  At $25 per 
>butt, that is a substantial piece of change.  And you can bet that it isn't all
>going in the pocket of Notre Dame; Florida State will be a big winner 
>money-wise also.

No doubt about it.

>I'm kind of surprised that teh Citrus Bowl doesn't try to get at least one game
>played there per year during the regular season.  It would be a pretty good bet

They have started doing so.  Last season FSU played Memphis State there,
and Virginia Tech the year before. Or maybe I got it backwards. Oh well,
what the hell do I know, I went to both of those games! We also had a
game the season prior in the Gator Bowl against Southern Miss (a loss).
Florida played Miss (I think, or was it State?) a year or two ago. I'm
not aware of Miami playing there. These are all games where we bought
out an away game from the team we played, for a price of course.

Frankly, I hate the Citrus Bowl. I think it is a rickety, shabby stadium
(even after the rennovations, which do nothing but change the outer
cosmetics of the stadium...well it increased seating a good bit). The
bleachers are uncomfortable, the stadium has a very shallow slope, so
you are far from the field, the bathrooms are disgusting, and the
concession suck and are few and far between. I waited an hour last year
for a beer. (I know, I'm an idiot) Also, the field is apparantly uneven.

David Poore
poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu

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From: jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black)
Subject: Re: Head Coaching Vacancies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:17:54 GMT

     Great, just what we need - a cheater.

>   - Johnny Majors.  When he was being railroaded out of Tennessee,
>Majors was rumored to be interested in returning to Pitt.  However,
>Johnny is getting a bit old, and his health is suspect (although open
>heart surgery is not as big of a deal as it used to be).  Fortunately
>for Johnny, Pitt Stadium is right across the street from the world's
>leading organ transplant center. :-)

    Great, just what we need - a brain-dead, altzheimered, skin cancered,
has-been with a heart about as strong as my dog's.

>   - "Mean" Joe Greene.  Yes, THAT Joe Greene, formerly of the Steelers
>and Coke commericals.  Joe's considered somewhat of a god in Pittsburgh,
>until this season he's spent his entire career in Pittsburgh, and Pitt's
>defense really needs some work.  Joe's also black, so hiring him would
>allow Pitt to make a statement about its commitment to supporting
>minorties.

    Oh sure, an AD born and raised in ol' Alabamy is going to hire a brother.
Yeah, sure.  Maybe as a janitor.

>   Pitt's administration had been rather tight-lipped....

     That's from kissing too much ass.  The only problem being, they seem to
be kissing the wrong ass.

     So what about Jock Sutherland?  I can see it now.  At next years Ohio
State - Pitt game, OSU will have Woody's casket on their sidelines and Pitt
will have Jock's.
-- 
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From: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: ACC Review
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:14:16 GMT

>NORTH CAROLINA 31 DUKE 28: The Tar Heels had to rally to beat Duke.
>Mike Thomas hit Bucky Brooks on a 20 yard TD pass with 2:06 left
>for the winning score. Brooks caught 5 passes for 185 yards and also
>had a 68 yard reverse that set up a UNC field goal. Randy Cuthbert
>became the first Duke player to rush for over 1,000 yards in two
>seasons. UNC finishes the season at 8-3 overall, 5-3 in the ACC and
>will play Mississippi State in the Peach Bowl. Duke finishes at 2-9
>overall, 0-8 in the ACC and has lost 13 consecutive ACC games.
>(Predicted: UNC 34-20) 


Duke pulled about every trick play you could imagine in this game and
most of them worked. In the end though it may have been a trick play
that cost Duke the game. Duke was in position for a sure field goal
which would have force UNC to score a TD and a two point conversion
to win but they opted for reverse pass play where the running back
was to throw for the clinching TD. UUC was ready and they buried the
Duke running back for a big loss that took them out of field goal
range. The Duke punter then kicked the ball deep in the end zone
when he was in perfect position to bury the heels deep in their
own territory and alot of folks in both Raliegh and Durham were
very dissappointed ;-) .





> 
>NORTH CAROLINA STATE 42 WAKE FOREST 14: Greg Manior rushed for 2
>TDs in his first 100 yard rushing game for NCSU. Wake's Keith West
>threw his first interception in 123 pass attempts after which 
>Anthony Barbour scored on a 6 yard TD run. The Pack finish at 9-2-1
>overall, 6-2 in the ACC for a second place finish and a probable
>trip to the Gator Bowl to play Georgia. Wake finishes 7-4 overall 
>and 4-4 in the ACC and will play either Oregon, Southern Mississippi
>or Rice in the Independence Bowl. (Predicted: NCSU 28-23) 
> 
>SOUTH CAROLINA 24 CLEMSON 13: Steve Taneyhill threw for 296 yards 
>and 2 TDs to break a 4 game losing streak to Clemson. The Gamecocks
>have won 5 out 6 games since the players voted to ask for Sparky
>Woods resignation. The loss by Clemson gives them their first
>losing season since 1976. The Tigers finish 5-6 overall, 3-5 in 
>the ACC. (Predicted: Clemson 27-24)
>-- 
>Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
>NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
>U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
>(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: knightb@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (William B. Knight)
Subject: Solving A&M's Schedule Strength Problem
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:48:12 GMT

Here's my proposal.  The SEC should invite TAMU to join along with Southern
Mississippi.  Both would join the west division while Auburn would move to
the east division.  

Advantages:  TAMU plays a much tougher schedule in the SEC.  They play LSU 
every year anyway and could pick up Texas as a non-conference game.  They also
add a little more power to the SEC where they could compete with Bama in the
western division.  Southern Miss plays a few SEC schools each year anyway 
and would get to play them at home more often.  They are a pretty good team
usually.  Auburn would get to renew its rivalry with Tennessee and could
have Bama as a cross-divisional game each year.

Disadvantage:  Without changing format, the teams would play a 9 game
conference schedule.  This might be ok, though.  

Comments?

-- 
Brad Knight 
knightb@abulafia.b21.ingr.com

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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Who's #3 in Big 10
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:26:50 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.114547.60920@cc.usu.edu>, sl45z@cc.usu.edu writes:
|> Path: ryn.mro4.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sl45z
|> From: sl45z@cc.usu.edu
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
|> Subject: Who's #3 in Big 10
|> Message-ID: <1992Nov17.114547.60920@cc.usu.edu>
|> Date: 17 Nov 92 11:45:47 MDT
|> Organization: Utah State University
|> Lines: 13
|> 
|> 	Just a quick question.  Who is vying for third place in the Big 10
|> (11)?  I understand they will be playing in the Holiday Bowl.  Sounds like BYU
|> would do much better playing in the Freedom Bowl or the Aloha Bowl if it is
|> still an option.  The Copper Bowl doesn't seem to hold a lot of promise as far
|> as getting 2 good teams.  I'd rather see BYU lose a tough game than have them
|> play a dud, winning by 40 pts.  The way BYU is playing right now, they will
|> give most any team a good hard game.  Good Luck.
|> 
|> -- 
|> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|>      |	Travis L. Clements |   		I'M TAKING THE WIFE!!
|>      |  N. Logan, Utah     |                                                   
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Like the time (83) MNC BYU played a dud against 6-5 Michigan?  At this point, 
I think MSU or Illinois will kill the WAC champ.  In fact, I think the B10 will
go at least 3-1, if not 4-0 in the bowls.  Put a save on this file now folks...

Murph
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Penn State Should Withdraw
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:00:42 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.

Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?

If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:54:32 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BxtDz9.Dw9@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg ) writes:
>ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>>Welcome to the kick-them-when-they're-down club.  Now go home so mama
>>can tell you what a big boy you are.
>
>Actually, I'm simply a member of the sick-of-hearing-about-an-overrated-
>Michigan-football-program-from-obnoxious-fans-who-ignore-any-logical-arguments-
>given-to-them club.  
>
>
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George, you're a wise guy because you have included the disclaimer DO NOT
NECESSARILY THOSE OF CCSO OR THE U. OF ILLINOIS.  Ha ha, your idea is
definitely not non-typical.

- Lou


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:22:23 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <Af2I2Pm00Uh_M4R1d=@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In an article <92321.094712JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>>Sorry, but Miss.  State was ranked 16 before the game, and is now ranked 18,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Yeah, so what's your point??????  What does 16th in the nation mean? 
>Not much to me.
>
>>I believe.  Check the facts before you flame next time.
>> 
>>And before you tell anyone else how FSU has trounced everyone except Miami,
>>I suggest you review the Georgia Tech game.
>
>Did I say every FSU game??????  No, I said the last TWO games.  Can you read?
>
>I guess I'll have to put up with this type of ignorance until BAMA
>loses, which they will, and it will happen before the Sugar Bowl.  Even
>if it doesn't, Miami will show how OVERRATED the BAMA program is.
>
>Don't get mad because your school didn't do shit this year.
>
>Will
>
>

What.. .like yours did...

-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Trivia Quiz
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:58:56 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Question:

What do you think the next term will be in the sequence below?

	W,
	W,T,W,W,T,
	W,T,L,W,W,T,W,W,W,L,W,W,W,
	L,L,W,L,L,L,W,L,T,L,
	W,L,W,W,W,L,L,W,W,W,
	L,T,W,W,W,L,W,W,W,W,
	L,W,L,L,L,W,L,W,W,W,
	T,L,?,

Clues:

	There are 34 W's, 20 L's and 7 T's.
	The way the sequence is written in different lines
	signifies something.

Statistics:

	6 isolated W's 
	3 runs of 2 W's in a row
	6 runs of 3 W's in a row
	1 run  of 4 W's in a row

	8 isolated L's
	2 runs of 2 L's in a row
	2 runs of 3 L's in a row

	11 of the 20 L's were followed by a W 
	2  of the 20 L's were followed by a T
	7  of the 20 L's were followed by another L

any takers?

serdar

-- 
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every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
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From: chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: WOOF GODS STRIKES AGAIN! (was Re: WSU 42 UW 23)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:20:09 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Originator: chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu



	I didn't believe that the woof god would strike the same
team twice in a season, I was wrong.  

	The Huskies came out like they didn't want to play the game, 
much like how Michigan played today.  It seems like these two teams
did not care after they got the Rose Bowl bid.  I saw both games and
both team managed to play like shit.  The Rose Bowl should be interesting.

	I finally figured it out.  Don James must be Santa Clause!  He 
successfully spearheaded the campaign, "Help out your PAC-10 neighbor to
a bowl bid" by letting the Huskies play their worse game in nearly three
years.  Now WSU must be considered for a Bowl.  That has got to be the
greatest gift that Santa ever gave to WSU.

	Anyway, I sense that Football Woof God is getting more and more
angry at me.  So I will now take a rest until the Rose Bowl (and to 
prepare for my finals.)  

	To those of you fellow woofers, it has been a fun season.  Hope
you all had as much fun as I had and hope your favorite teams play well
the rest of the season.  Finally, I'll see you next year.  

- Chung Yang

P.S.  When does the basketball season start?  I just gotta rule for
      Michigan.  See some of you folks on the basketball woof net.
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From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Subject: Pack Bowl Hopes
Originator: bsricker@c00746-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:22:04 GMT


|> >
|> > Miami vs. Florida State, Sugar Bowl
|> 
|> No way this matchup will take place... The SEC champ is an automatic
|> choice for sugar bowl...
|> 
True it can't happen in the Sugar Bowl ... But this same match-up could
be featured in the Fiesta Bowl

|> Also, there are teams like Notre dame, USC, Stanford, Syracuse etc who might
|> be looked ahead of ACC runner up NC State. These teams should bring in more
|> fans than NC State.
|> 
Do you really think Stanford or Syracuse would bring fans? ... If you do, you
should probably talk to some of the Peach Bowl folks who will tell you
N.C. State will most likely bring somewhere between 20 - 30 thousand fans.

|> 
|> Also, ACC isn't strong enough for the second team to go to OB!

You're right ... Having 4 teams (Fla St., N.C. State, UNC, and Wake Forest) 
headed for bowl games indicates a pretty weak conference!


Cheers,
B
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Bowls - NEW INFO!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.151706.5659@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.014223.26583@ccad.uiowa.edu>, tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
>> From article <1992Nov16.122940.5631@desire.wright.edu>, by demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man):
>>> 	Rose Bowl: Michigan (maybe they'll even win :)
>>> 	Citrus Bowl: Ohio State
>>> 	Holiday Bowl: Michigan State or Illinois
>> 			
>> 			I don't see how you could think Illinois 
>> 			has an honest chance at this.  If they win
>> 			Iowa will have to lose to Minnesota, which
>> 			is not hard this year.  But I guess Iowa has
>> 			had problems with them before.
>
>	They could take a 6-4-1 Illinois who beat OSU and tied Michigan, or a
>6-6 Iowa who beat...mmm...well, nobody :).

	Well, the Big Ten ADs yesterday put their heads together and
	came up with a new plan.  This was consumated at about 4 pm
	yesterday afternoon.  Since Iowa has been to San Diego three of
	the last six years, it seems that a mutual agreement was made
	between Iowa, MSU, Illinois, and the Holiday and Copper Bowls.
	Now, if Iowa beats Minnesota, the Hawkeyes will go to Tucson to
	play in the Copper.  I understand that BYU is a likely opponent
	(again!).  And, the winner of the MSU-Illinois game will now get
	the Holiday bid, and the loser stays home.  Wisconsin is apparently
	still in the hunt for the Independence and maybe Freedom
	Bowls with a win over Northwestern, but nothing is guaranteed
	for them.  The Holiday Bowl is happy that a team must now win
	its way into their bowl on its own, rather than having someone
	possibly backing into the bid, like Illinois would have with a win
	over MSU coupled with an Iowa loss...

-- 
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
Organization: American Math. Society
	<ASH.92Nov18082241@ulysses.mr.ams.com> <Bxx66D.HEM@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:06:12 GMT

In article <Bxx66D.HEM@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:

   >ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
   >>In article <1992Nov16.213434.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
   >>   >well basically all I have to say is, the tie (and bouncing them
   >>   >from the natl championship hunt) made me sooo happy.
   >>   >I don't mind seeing dolts from michigan suffer one bit....
   >>   >although I suppose ever being in ann arbor is suffering enuf.  |-)
   >>Ann Arbor is a nice place to be.  It consistently makes the best
   >>places to live lists.  And we get to cheer for a winning program, Mr.
   >>Exby.  While Michigan is winning, you are whining.  Why not post
   >>something positive once in a while?  It seems as though until Michigan
   >>loses, you are nowhere to be seen.  But when they stumble, there you
   >>are.  Your insistence on calling Michgan fans names is truly sad.
   >>Here's hoping for more positive and less negative from you in the
   >>future.

   >How can you call someone calling Michigan fans names sad?  You were doing the 
   >EXACT same thing, only a day ago!!!  As a matter of fact, it was me that you
   >referred to as an 'asshole' and a 'dickhead'.  Hmm... sounds a bit hypocritical 
   >to me...  

I lost my temper because Illini fans were posting trash-talk.  I then
apologized in another post for name-calling.  On the other hand, Exby
continuously calls michigan fans names.  Does the term "fichigan
dolts" ring a bell for you?  His Michigan name-calling is legendary.
I called names during one bad streak on one day, and then apologized
in another post.  No, I don't feel that I'm being hypocritical.

   >And why not post when Michigan loses???  We don't like Michigan... that's it!!!
   >Why not be happy when they trip up and blemish thier record slightly.  It's 
   >the nature of things.
 
Yes, it's the nature of things to post after-game woofs.  But even
some Illinois fans posted asking other Illinois fans to stop posting
the crap that made me go over the edge.  I thought the posts were out
of line even by post-game woofing standards.  It's one thing to say
"We beat you fair and square" and quite another to say "You suck".
Although my response to these posts was less than ideal, I still feel
that they were out of line.  And Mr. Exby is ALWAYS out of line.  You
just don't think so because you hate Michigan.  How would you like
someone that was constatly posting things like "Illinois sucks" and
"Illinois dolts" and "it's bad enough just to have to live in
Champaign-Urbana"?

Defending Exby's posts gives you much less credibility, in my eyes.


-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 

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