From: ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Kalid Akhram (student-david;until 31/12/92))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Muslims will start an Armed Rebellion
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:32:22 GMT
Reply-To: ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk
Organization: SERC Rutherford Appleton Laboratories

In article 18804@ncsu.edu, hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE) writes:
>>In article <12839@hardy.rl.ac.uk> ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk writes:
>>>Listen Indu,
>>>
>>look , dont talk utter bullshit...indians are not barbarians to run
>>around looking for women to rape. 
>>I would like to  ask you, if tomorrow i make the same accusation in
>>another muslim country( firstly , i wont be an equal citizen), would yo
>>believe me? I may also add that say, Bal Thackeray said, "Hindus are being
>>raped in ***stan"......answer this truthfully, thinking with you head,
>>will you believe me?????????????????
>>
>>or will you be cynical?
>>ask for more proof.?
>>then , why are you believing that bullshit that was that moron's speech??

Regardless of who is being raped, Hindu or Muslim, it is equally wrong.
It is plain to me that when rape occurs then feelings run high and people
do not think straight, especially the less illitrate people.
I am not cynical about the reports in Pakistan that Hindus are being raped.
There *are* reports in papers and documentaries about victimisation of Hindus
and Christians; and if they chose to fight the Pakistani police (some of
whom are corrupt), then I would say go for it. I would be inclined to join
them. A Hindu girl, or Chrsitian girl is no different to me than my own
sister, OK?? I accept it does happen in Pakistan, can you accept that it does
happen in India??
>>
>>
>>Dont talk like a C-grade hindi movie.."garibon ko lootte jate hai", "Muslimon
>>to rape karte jate hai"..what kind of self-demeaning rot are you expressing?
>>
>>One fool said something, you have swallowed it, its in your mind as
>>clear as day that it is true..why? because you are muslim? does that
>>take away your ability to think? for yourself?  must you believe everything
>>your religious/political leaders tell you? are they all saints? do they
>>ALL have nothing personal to gain?...

I do not believe all that comes from religious leaders. I listen only to the
Qur'an and the example of the 'prophet', I am cynical about *any* muslim
leader who uses islam to further political aspirations. In my experience quite
a few have "used" Islam for personal gain. But are you saying that
absolutely *no* muslim women were raped??? 

>>
>>oh, yeah, did you see the one about the "rape of women in kuwait"..??
>>
Yes, I have heard of this one too, and of course those actions are deplorable. I
am not denying that "muslims" (note inverted commas) *do* rape and that there
have been acts against Hindus; and those people make me sick because they give
the rest of us a bad name. Can you not accept that *some* Hindus occasioanlly
do something wrong?? I have plenty Hindu friends, and I am not a muslim walking
around with a chip on my shoulder. There is good and bad in every society. Thus
although I do not have proof, is it not possible that muslims were treated badly
by *some* Hindus?? If this was the case then surely there will be some reaction
against it? However, if a muslim leader then uses this to incite hatred against
all Hindus then I am against that; he is no better than the rapist then.
>>
>>>of 19/20 were nailed, yes *nailed* by their hands and feet to wooden floorboards.
>>>This is how we muslims are being treated by the indian army. And you wonder
>>>why muslims want to fight back.
>>
>>this is what you want to believe, that's all.

As far as I can tell this was a genuine report; it can't *all* be bullshit can it?

>>
>>stop being so "us" and "them" ; "we all" and "you all"..then things will
>>be as they should be.
>>

Well, this is the stance I take. I don't believe in "us" and "them", however I 
can see how this could be derived from my last posting. Maybe you'll get a better
idea of my point of view now. Can you not accept that atrocities *are* committed
against muslims??

Why do you have to be abusive and use terms like "bullshit".?
Tande sar se baat karo na!!


>>>Khalid
>>-harsh

Khalid
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