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From: J10B000 <J10B@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Cruise missiles
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:54:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.161617.13628@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>I wonder how many of you share my opinion that our information about what goes
>on anywhere in the world is screwed up because of "disinformation."  I mean,
>consider it, every government on the face of this earth is disinforming its
>people to some extent.
>
>But what I find unconscionable about many of my fellow Americans is their
>capacity to blindly believe whatever they hear on television or read in our
>newspapers.  While I am doubtful that the US would deliberately target a hotel
>during a bombing raid, there is also no reason to think that it wouldn't.  In
>a war, there are both political and military objectives.  I cannot understand
>how bombing a civilian target would provide much use to the US, except perhaps
>that it might cause the citizenry of Iraq to be angry not at the US, but at
>Saddam?  ...seems like a stretch to me, but I would imagine that all manner of
>intrigue is possible in the current climate.
>
>One thing definitely amazes me however, and that is to see that a bunch of
>mullahs in Iran can protest on behalf of the Iraqi people after spending 8
>years of their own people's lives on futile battle strategies and human wave
>tactics--as though they really give to hoots about the lives of Iraqis.  They
>Surely killed enough of them themselves!
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The issue is power and power alone.  I wait for the day when there is peace
>and self-detemination for all these nations...
>
>   INSHALLAH!
>
The last lines of your article simply shows how American people are fed
with thier media and politicians. Iranians didn't start killing Iraqis.
To present the facts in an easy way that you could understand I'm just
reminding you some simple facts:
1) It was Iraq that in Sept. 1980 strated the war.
2) It was U.S. that during the war and even before that backed Iraq.
3) The U.S. reason for doing this was to control Iran.
4) Today everybody admitts that if U.S. had not supported Iraq, that war
   would have never lasted that long and even today we didn't have
   this discussion over innocent people killed by U.S. missiles!!
5) Sir!, Iranian just defended their land and soil with courage and
   manhood against all of evils and devils.
6) They didn't kill the people. They fought their enemy to librate their
   land.
7) Iranian haven't gone thousands of miles far to protect their intrests
   It's another country that for doing this MURDERERS innocent people.!
Oh God, give all of the people the power of vision and hearing!
Signed: Pessar Amoo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: J10B <J10B@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: US Cruise missile's accuracy
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:26:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.114549.12161@cc.ic.ac.uk> odattn@.ic.ac.uk (Mr O. Dattner) writes:
>In article <20JAN93.11302985.0078@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> J10B <J10B@UNB.CA> writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.163711.8238@ncsu.edu> odkahn@eos.ncsu.edu (OPHER DANIEL KAHN) writes:
>>>In article <C12ptp.20F@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes:
>>>|>
>>>|>    CNN - Jan. 18, 1993 - 18:00 GMT
>>>|>
>>>|>    " Senior US defense and military officials confirmed today that Iraqi
>>>|>      Al-Rashid hotel in Baghdad was indeed hit by a US Cruise missile, but
>>>|>      the missile was shot down by Iraqi air defense. They also announced
>>>|>    I wonder how come there is not a man in US media or elsewhere to ask
>>>|>    a simple question from these animals:
>>>|>      by Iraqi air defense, and touch down right at the doorstep of a
>>>|>      civilian hotel?!
>>>|>
>>>|>
>>>|>
>>>|> Mohammad
>>>
>>>If any of you had experience with hardware or software systems, you would
>>>to do that), and consistant with the level of damage when compared
>>>with the 1000 lb load.--
>>> Opher D. Kahn
>>
>>Seven out of 45 missiles did not hit their so called "TARGET"! I wouldn'
>>t call it  "Simple Malfunction"!!! particularly when just one of them
>>caused more than 10 casualties. (4 dead, more injured), Pessar Amoo
>>
>>
>Apart from the one that hit the hotel, I'm pretty sure that the "misses" could
>have been measured in feet not miles.
>
>Ori
>
 How come you can be so sure about those seven "misses", "Mr." Ori ?
 I would be glad to see the way you've kept track of them? Pessar Amoo
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: A Subjective Point of Reference
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:19:47 GMT
Organization: Khayyam Calendar

In article <1993Jan20.175945.18526@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>
zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
>
>Drood Bar Shoma Hooshyar jan:

dorood bar shoma Zamie.

[good information about Khayyam deleted for brevity]

>I don't want to go to far but the point I am trying to make is; he was
>being pressured by the regime and ignorant people through his life.  Do
>you blame him for modifying our calendar with "base" (I like it better
>too) at the time of Hejrat.  At least that was my thought.

Very interesting indeed.

I wouldn't blame any one for any thing specially a historic and important
figure such as Khayyam.  It was merely a question and your inputs provided
some background to the subject.  Still the question remains is there any
book, resAleh, article in which he shares why he chose Hejrat as the base
of the Iranian calendar.

>Anyway, I am doing some research in this regard and keep everyone posted
>of my results.

Please do.  It would be nice to learn more.

>>Why do we have to suffer even in our calendar?
>
>>>Now I am lost.  What is this suffering you are referring too?  Please
>>>elaborate if you want to.
>
>Well, suffering for all these catastrophies that was brought to us with
>the name of God some 1400 years ago and we still accept it.  Do you
>thruly believe God is this selfish and vicious? You know why?  I think
>because of fear.  My uncle gave me a neckless some years ago and the
>neckless is portraying king Daruis I holding a symbol of "Dieve".  The
>Dieve (or evil?) is also a symbol for fear.  I never forget when my
>uncle gave this to me  told me: "King Daruis said in one of his Katibeh
>(manuscript): May God save us from fear, famine, and war".  2400 years
>later, I throughly understand what he meant what he really meant by
>putting fear ahead from famine and war.

No I don't believe God is this selfish either.  King Darius I was correct.

Now if you excuse my further inquiry, what are the catastrophies you are
referring too?  Please forgive my acting unaware of what you want to say;
It's intentional.  I don't want to assume that I KNOW what you are talking
about.

>Sorry if I bored you.  Rooz Shoma Khoosh Baad.

Your posts have never bored me, Zamie jAn.  Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Iranian/American culture (Re: .. translator in the house)
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: followup on Aref/Ala discussion, Iranian/American cultural diff.
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:18:14 GMT

In article <sehari.728169673@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>---
>
>No one would mind if the late Walt Disney, T. Edison would had Iranian
>wife.  However; we do not like to see good Iranian women get themselves 
>involved with an alcoholic, wife battering, drag addict people.  So, once
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

is this like americans who like to drag their wife around; in that case
i'm with you all the way babak.

>
>                          With highest regards,
>                               Babak   Sehari.
>
>-- 

behzad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Iran attempts to establish fundamentalist hold in Bosnia
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:51:47 GMT

>From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
>Subject: Iran attempts to establish fundamentalist hold in Bosnia
>Message-ID: <1993Jan27.005449.14764@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

>	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Several thousand Iranian Revolutionary Guards are
>fighting alongside Bosnian Muslims in an attempt by Tehran to establish
>a fundamentalist foothold in Europe, an Iranian opposition leader said
>Tuesday.
>	Mohammed Mohaddessin, director of international relations for the
>People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran, told reporters that Tehran had
>dispatched a brigade-size force of Revolutionary Guards to arm and train
>Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina as well as to help them repel Serbian
>aggressors.
>	Although Mohaddessin did not know the exact number of Iranian troops
>deployed in the former Yugoslavia, he said it was made up of roughly 2,
>000 specially trained holy warriors from the Al-Quds force.
>	Revolutionary Guards attached to Al-Quds, the Parsi word for
>Jerusalem, are trained to be deployed in foreign lands and to foment
>fundamentalist unrest through military action and promulgation of
>propaganda.
>	Mohaddessin said, however, that Tehran is ``in no way concerned about
>the fate of Muslims in Bosnia.''
>	``The primary objective of the (Tehran) regime is to organize and
>fund groups in Bosnia and use it as a base for future plans to export
>fundamentalism and terrorism,'' said Mohaddessin, whose group's main
>goal is to topple the current Iranian government.


   These (MKO) are the same pigs, who some day were boasting of being the only
   anti-imperialist and Islamic force in Iran, and now are so despretely
   trying to kiss the feet of new american administration that will
   take advantage of every thing, even the plight of Muslims in
   Bosnia-Herzegovina. Shame on you, and shame on your nasty philosophy
   of Maciavelism.


>	Saudi and Turkish officials have said they do not feel any particular
>kinship with Bosnian Muslims, who are completely integrated into a
>European lifestyle, but watching helplessly while Islamic bretheren were
>raped, murdered and driven from their homes was just too much to stand
>for.


   I wish the MKO murderers had 1/10 of anti-Islam Saudis' or secular Turkish
   statesmen's sense of sympathy with Bosnian Muslims.


>	The Clinton administration has said it is considering lobbying for
>the United Nations to lift the arms embargo on Bosnia-Herzegovina and to
>militarily enforce tha ban on Serbian military flights in the region.

   We will wait and see. But why even this should be monopolized by
   Americans? What if Islamic countries wanted to break the unjust embargo,
   say, three days before UN does it?

Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Haji's KABOB KOBIDE
Keywords: Kaboby 
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:58:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.192241.7738@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
> In article <1993Jan17.165003.3899@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU
(Brad Hernlem) writes:
> >
>  [** Do not worry dadash, I deleted them **]  
> >
> >I recommend Shajarian for the music and Hayedeh for the female singer.
> >Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) 
> 
> Slam agha Brad:
> 
> How are you?. I was busy working and I just found some time to read the news
> on kabob. I assume you know Farsi!. If my Farsi is to hard let Haji
knows about
> it and I will take it easy.
> I think you are ba_hal too since you know how to make kabob di_ki. I
like your
> Ashpazy and I will try yours too. Your music is fine too but Haji does not
> like to remeber the gharzo ghole.
> 
> Keep up the spirit and post more of your ashpazy.
> Roseton Khosh.
> Haji Firoz
> 
> Agha Brad ayn kabob di_ki ro az ko_ja yad ke_refty?. 
> 

Az hamsaram (Ramesh khanoom) yAd gereftam. Ramesh kheily Ashpaz-e khoob hast.

My Farsi is not very extensive (valy harf-e Ashpazi kheily baladam :-)
Ramesh can beat my attempts at Persian cooking, any day, and so I do not
often attempt it. I have never tried to prepare dolmeye barg-e mo or
dolmeye felfel, for example, although I do try to eat them any chance
that I get.

I have a recipe for what I call "dolmeye joojeh" that I will post for
you some day. It is a recipe that I created that is pseudo-Persian. It
is basically baked chicken stuffed with rice, raisins, zereshk,
pistachios, etc...
See also Fesenjoon in Tehran.Stanford.edu which I posted some time ago.

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
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From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: Cruise Missiles (pesar amoo)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:38:32 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAti-ye-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <1993Jan25.151536.18643@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.090209.4942@sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter
>Capell) writes:
>> 
>
>> 
>> This I believe, but whether or not it is the US controlling Iran, someone
>> probably should do something about a government that will put out a public
>> death threat against a man for exercising his right to free speech.  
>> 
>
>[...]
>
>This issue is terribly overblown, in my opinion. Rafsanjani has done
>virtually everything in his power to assure the world that Iran has no
>"designs" on Rushdie's life. Such "gestures" have gone essentially
>unnoticed, especially (in my opinion) in the eyes of those who wish to
>continue to villify the Iranian people and government.
>

Just my $0.02 worth here  - Although Rafsanjani may have made some "gestures",
top level Iranian political and religious leaders, such as Khamenei who 
holds the highest position in Iran, and Nategh Noori, etc.  have said many
many times that the "death sentence" against Rushdie is irreversible, and
have even backed this up by increasing the amount of the contract on his head.
Funny how this has come up right when we are talking about Turkish journalists
defending secularism being killed by fundamentalist organizations....


>[...]
>
>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>

Agha Javad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("J.S.Jafari-Sisi")
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:06:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.000646.19404@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Haji Firoz) writes:
>bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>[** I deleted them **]
>: dast garmi Exercise:  What is the Persian word for aval?
>
>Cha_ke_ram:
>
>My Farsi is not that good when it comes to examinations but I do my best to
>answer your difficult question. I need to tell you that I had trouble reading
>the word "aval". I was reading it as "oval" and I do not know why. May be too 
>much programming(I am talking to Haji)!. Ok dadash Hooshyar let see if I am 
>correct.
>How about "yek" for "sar garmi Exercise". Do you think I can pass the first
>grade?.
>               /                                                              
>             (_)_                                                             
>                :                                                             
>Khoda Hafez
>
>Haji Firoz

As far as I know the Persian word for AVVAL is NAKHOST.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: Is there an interpreter in the house?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University, CA   USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:17:44 GMT

In article <C18AKL.3xt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>
>I do not think that we are here to provide with Americans the way
>to date Iranian girls.  I just do not think this media should be
>used in this manner.  This is only one person's opinion.  I've
>
>I do think that IRANI girls ARE too good for Americans.
>But again I am talking about IRANI and not so called Persian-Americans.
>In general I am against dating and casual relationships.
>It seriusly contradicts our culture.
>This, I know, is not only MY opinion.
>
>Ala


Attitudes as such, judging people and generalizing about them because of 
the color of their passport are as old as all other forms of bigotry and 
prejudice. There are certain characteristics shared by people from certain 
ethnic backgrounds; such characteristics are mainly physical and external; 
color of hair or skin. Even then, there are many exceptions. But trying to 
label people and predict how their heart and mind works solely based on their 
Iranian-ness or American-ness is absolutely and totally immaterial, ignorant 
and uneducated. 

Thank you SCI. Now I know we not only have rednecks but major redneck-vatani's
as well. How sad. 

Aref
From: forghani@condor.ccrit.doc.ca (B. Forghani (Idacom/HP))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: -None supplied- [sci-poster]
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:50:47 GMT
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khashayar mirfakhraei

>      Not withstanding a major divergence from the subject, like many other
>cultural aspects of post-islamic Iran, the days of the week also bear a
>bi-lingual as  well as a bi-cultural signature. Another example would be the
>hejriye-shamsi calender:
>the hejri part references our islamic heritage were as shamsi portion
>denotes the solar based calender used in persia before islam.


This bi-culturalism is the basis of Shi'ism. Many of the pre-islamic believes
and pagan rituals were preserved in Shi'ism. The best examples are:

The Ashura ceremony, i.e., the mourning for Hossein, Shi'it's Imam, was
performed for Siavash before invasion of Iran by moslems. Before islam,
there was a sect in Iran called Soog-e-Siavash. The story of Hossein and
Siavash have a lot of resembelance. Siavash, Keikavous' son goes to Turan and
marries AfrasiAb's daughter Farangis and later on AfrAsiAb betrays and kills
him. This is analogous to the AshurA story that people of KuffA invited Hossein
and later betray and kill him. Iranians used this analogy and kept the
Soog-e-Siavash mourning alive.

Most of the Shi'ism philosophy is and attempt to mix the pre-islamic Iranian
believes with islam. For examples, Iranians beleived in monarchy and they
extended the belif in monarchy to islam and called the descendents of Mohammad
Imams and like any other system of monarchy, the son of the king inherits the
throne.

Besides the monarchy and the belief that only the descendents of Mohammad
should inherit his throne, Iranians hated Ommar because Iran was invaded
under his rule and they liked Ali's descendents because Ali was against the
invasion of persia and Hossein had married the enslaved daughter of
Yazde-Gerd III.

Up to around 30 years ago, Iranians had a ceremony called the ritual of killing
Ommar or Ommar Koshoon. In the eve of the last Wednesday of the year,
ChAhAr-Shanbeh-Soori where zealot Shi'its burnt a statue of Ommar. The excuse
was that Ali was the legitimate Khalif after death of Mohammad and Ommar had
denied him his right to lead moslems which is the basis of Shi'ism. The real
reason is perhaps the invasion of Iran when he was in power. The ceremony of
Ommar Koshoon was banned during the Shah's regime.

Behdad

 
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From: cca218@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("J.S.Jafari-Sisi")
Subject: QUESTION
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:04:03 GMT

Hello Everyone
 
I wonder is there anyone who knows how to get software packages
for 3D STUDIO for student price.I am sure there must be somewhere
to buy this package in cheaper price.I apreciate anyone who could
give me some informations about it.
 
 
Thanks in Advance.
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Important note to sci-anon-poster's
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:25:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
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In article <sehari.727814066@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

>this phase as you wish.  Van Numan machines, which some example of them
			  ^^^^^^^^^^

poor kid doesnt even know how von neumann is *spelled* and hes trying
to throw names around!  sigh.  

>OK you may enjoy your great status, here I modified your calling so best
>represent you:			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

no, the only thing you have done is make a bigger fool of yourself as
well as displaying more of your chAleh meydooni manners: 

>union shashkhor_type
>      {
>      float shit;
>      float shash;
>      }in_take;
>
>shashkhor_type __Shahrokh(in_take);
 1                           2     3
>   {
>    :
>    :
>    }
    4

1: dear dAneshjoo, you need to say "union" here too.
2: dear dAneshjoo, the parameter in_take, has no relation whatsoever
   to the one with union type as far as the compiler is concerned!  youre
   just accidentally declaring an (implicit) int parameter, which is 
   very poor style.
3: dear dAneshjoo, that is an extra semicolon.  it seems you still dont 
   even know the difference between function declaration and definition!
4: dear dAneshjoo, not lining up your curlies is very, very poor style.  

your kArnAmeh:

tarbiyat: 	    doh.
programming skills: sefr.

but still, we would love to hire you and pay you what you're skills are
worth. unfortunately that darn 'minimum wage' law is *still* in effect!
From: mccd@rosie.uh.edu (Reza Golshan(RA) (713)-743-1540)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: RE: Iranian Interest Section(ph# and Address)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:07 CST
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From: >>>>>> Anonymous
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Subject: Correction (Was Re; Poem) [sci-anon-poster]
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:02:01 GMT
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In reply to assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana), I wrote:

>	[partly deleted]
>
>tAvoos-e bahAri rA donbAl bekandand
>parrash* beboridand `o beh konji befekandand
>khasteh beh miAn bAgh beh zAreesh bebandand
>bA oo naneshenand 'o nagooyand `o nakhandand
>	tA azar mah bogzarad `o Ayad AzAr

One "mesrA'" from this part is missing. I did not remember it at the time but
it looked strange to me since the second part should also have three "beyts".
The missing "mesrA'" is:

	vin parr-e negArinsh bedoo bAz nabandand

Its position is either the second or the third line from the last.

Sorry about the mistake,

ShahrAm





 
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