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From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
Subject: Re: Windows and FOSSIL Drivers.  Need HELP!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:20:29 GMT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.misc
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>I've just gotten Remote Access BBS to properly handle incoming phone calls.
>Now, I've just discovered another problem.  It seems that when I run RA_111 BBS
>in a Windows DOS window, windows tries to take over the COM3 port when I alreadyhave the X00 FOSSIL driver controlling that port.  Windows gives me a sharing   COM port error message and I have to manually type in 'N' so that Windows will
>not take control of the port.
>
>No, I can't sit on my computer all day to type that in whenever I get a call (
>(I get this message whenever a call comes in).  Is there some way for me to 
>prevent this sharing, such as setting Windows (just once) NOT to take over the
>COM3 port?  Any help would be very appreciated.  Setting up a PC BBS has been
>quite a work-out so far.

You might try running the BNU FOSSIL instead of X00. The .EXE file has more
control over the port, and therefor YOU have more control over the port. BNU
is also a bit more see-thru, whereas X00 often jumps right up and proclaims
"This is MY port, leave it alone!" and Windows doesn't appreciate it.

You also might try running BNU at the start of your window, like when you
open RA from Windows. With the .EXE file, you are allowed to load it at
any time, and likewise allowed to unload it when you don't need it anymore.
The X00 .SYS device driver (as well as BNU's device driver, if you should
use it) normally has to be loaded at boot-time, making it a lot less
flexible.

Another suggestion is to throw Windows in the trash and buy a copy of
DESQview. I have successfully been running QuickBBS under FrontDoor under
DESQview for several years. I have played around with Windows, but have
found the GUI to be bothersome, and the program as a whole runs extremely
slow without a lot of RAM -- and I like to use my RAM for Ramdrives.

Don't be afraid to call the Microsoft Customer Service 800 number. It's
not there for good looks on the Window's manual, you know, they expect
people to call with problems like this... :)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: ivan@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Ivan Gum)
Subject: Need BBS with Strong Messaging
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:11:44 GMT

Hi, I'm having a very hard time trying to find a good, inexpensive BBS that
has Strong message features and is easy and intuitive for the users to use.

SearchLight is too expensive for my budget.

I've been looking at Remote Access and Maximus.  Maximus has a very irritating
problem with scrolling the message body off (clearing the screen).  I tried to
get around it (believe me, I tried lots of creative ways) but none worked well. If you turn of ScreenScrolling, whenever a person replies or enters a message,
Maximus's built-in editor fails to clear the screen so the user has to enter 
their message while there is garbage on the screen.  Annoying.

Remote Access, on the other hand, has the message areas set up so that its very
difficult to add, insert, delete new/old message areas as the board grows. Its
message numbering scheme is also not as nice as Maximus, however, it doesn't 
have the problem with scrolling the body off (actually it may, but this can be
fixed by changing the configuration).

PLEASE HELP ME! I need a BBS with Strong Messaging.  I'm finding out that there
are a lot of BBS programs but few with this very important feature.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: aduell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
 <1992Jul24.160603.17656@adobe.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:45:52 GMT


Well, the Texas Silent 700 thermal printer had a 35 element printhead
arranged on a 5*7 matrix. I've seen other thermal printers with a similar
layout. A friend of mine has a Honeywell printer with 14 pins, in 2 colums
of 7 exactly aligned - it only has 7 horizontal rows in the final output.
I think that's so that the solenoids can run at a lower duty cycle for the
same speed. Also, 24 pin printers often have the pins in 2 columns, offset
by 1/2 a pin width.

-tony 'PDP11 Hacker' Duell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:50:05 GMT
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology

In <14kv1kINNg06@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:


>In article <mtpins.711668470@icaen.uiowa.edu> mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins) writes:
>}Keep in mind that most computer "terms" are concatenated abbrev's.
>}In this case, SYStem OPerator.  Pronounce them accordingly.

>	I really dislike this argument, but I used to use it myself....
>	I dislike it because it's NOT true.  There are many many terms that
>are abbreviations/acronyms that are *not* pronounced the way in which the
>original words are.  There are only two I can think of at the moment, one
>of which is a computer term.


The original poster said "most"  and all you can think of are two
counterexamples.  That still equates to "most.

Also, in the two examples, the only discrepency is with the vowels.  
one of the other acronym pronounciation rules overides all guidelines if
the acronym is obviously contrived to be an english word.

That kills your BASIC example.

AMFAR also would be weird to take the vowel sound from AIDS (especially
since that sound is produced by the 'AI' and not the 'A' alone.

Nothing wrong with "ahmfahr" there.


... next.

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From: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: PCBoard Systems Active on the Usenet
Keywords: PCBOARD BBS GATEWAY UUPCB SPARKWARE
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

Are these BBS's reachable by RLOGIN or TELNET that are on Internet,
or do they just have email addresses? That would be cool to be able to
TELNET to a few BBS's.

If not, are there any BBS's on Internet that you can TELNET to?

-- 
Guy W. Kendall - Applications Engineer            Guy.Kendall@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM
NCR Microelectronic Products Division               Voice: 719-596-5795 x465
1635 Aeroplaza Drive                                  Fax: 719-570-6045
Colorado Springs, CO 80916                            BBS: 719-596-1649 
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: jkristof@lucpul.it.luc.edu (NiteLine)
Subject: Re: Chicago area BBS's??
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:46:24 GMT

In <1992Jul27.160945.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mas@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>Can anyone email to me any info on good BBS's in the Chicago area.  I
>haven't kept up with BBS's for about 4 years and want to start up again.

>Thanks!

>John Mas

You can give my board a call John.  The Crossroads BBS in Chicago
at (312) 743-5439 FidoNet 1:115/743  I will soon be upgrading to
a US Dual Standard as soon as they ship it.  I'm currently at 2400
w/ MNP5

John Kristoff
jkristof@lucpul.it.luc.edu
Niteline @ The Crossroads BBS (312) 743-5439 1:115/743
From: dholland@husc10.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Searchlight
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.DHOLLAND.92Jul30221400
 news.cso.uiuc.edu><1992Jul25.172208.9598@panix.com><DHOLLAND.92Jul26174525@husc10.harvard.edu><1992Jul27.153819.27911@panix.com>
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: fnord@panix.com's message of Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:38:19 GMT


fnord@panix.com writes:

 > In <DHOLLAND.92Jul26174525@husc10.harvard.edu> dholland@husc10.harvard.edu (David Holland) writes:
 > 
 > 
 > >I think I will throw in here that Searchlight has always struck me as a 
 > >brain-dead Citadel.
 > 
 > Interesting.  When Searchlight was written there was no Citadel.

Really? Citadel dates to 1978 or so in its earliest forms. 

 > Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  Besides, I doubt that
 > Citadel really has the performance advantage of Searchlight (regardless of
 > what "doc" thinks).

What performance advantage? Citadels are highly optimized for speed and 
efficiency. Don't forget the early CP/M versions were limited to 64K of memory
and small floppy drives. 

Can you run a Searchlight system off floppies on an XT and still get adequate
performance? 
--
   - David A. Holland			dholland@husc.harvard.edu

      Feel disillusioned? I've got some great new illusions...
From: jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser)
Subject: BlueWave Door
Keywords:  Maximus, Bluewave
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:09:54 GMT

Anybody know if there is a copy of the BlueWave Door for Maximus available
for FTP? And if so, where?

Thanks,

Jerry Gaiser
The Digital Amateur 1:105/380


Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs.internet,alt.internet.bbs
From: lingy@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Danzig Frique)
Subject: hey there
Summary: BBS software which allows telnet/rlogin 
Keywords: software, bbs, dos, unix
Reply-To: lingy@rpi.edu
Organization: Somewhere Special
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:02:41 GMT


Hi there,
	  could anyone tell me if there's any bbses running in dos which allows
outgoing telnet/rlogin/ftps/usenet? I would like the software to maintain a 
realtime SLIP link to the host machine, but i am not sure if there's a software
for it and if there's one, what is it? Something easy to use preferably like 
Case Western U's FreeNet as it will be catered to local users and not 
computer gurus. thanks
really appreciate it

Dan
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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:50:39 GMT
Organization: cic

hobbit@ac.dal.ca writes:

>What I'm curious about, is how do you folks pronounce 'GNU'?  
>'Nu' is proper (for the animal, anyway) but i've never heard anything 
>but 'ge-nu' used for the software.

From the introduction to the GNU Emacs Manual, Sixth Edition, Version
18, March 1987, by RMS himself:

	You are about to read about GNU Emacs, the GNU incarnation
	of the advanced, self-documentin, customizable, extensible
	real-time display editor Emacs. (The `G' in `GNU' is not silent.)
					 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: s4uhkm@fnma.COM (Howie Michalski)
Subject: NY Times - ARRRRGGGH!
Reply-To: s4uhkm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:14:23 GMT

Please, please, please, please....

	Kill this thread!

Talk about "who cares", man!

Howie <- About to go insane reading those damn NY Times posts :-)





Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook)
Subject: Re: How to Pronounce 'MODEM'
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:18:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA


I worked for one of the largest datacomm manufacurers in the world,
Racal Milgo (earlier Milgo Electronics and later Racal Datacom) at one
time, and was assured by people there that it was pronounced [long 'o']
[short 'e'].  Why?  Because, sonny, all you have to do is look around
and you'll see we got mo' o' dem den we got anyt'in' else...

(with apologies to those who have to pay to download this drivel...)
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From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: 23 Jul 1992 00:38:12 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <mtpins.711668470@icaen.uiowa.edu> mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins) writes:
}Keep in mind that most computer "terms" are concatenated abbrev's.
}In this case, SYStem OPerator.  Pronounce them accordingly.

	I really dislike this argument, but I used to use it myself....

	I dislike it because it's NOT true.  There are many many terms that
are abbreviations/acronyms that are *not* pronounced the way in which the
original words are.  There are only two I can think of at the moment, one
of which is a computer term.

	BASIC -- if the rule was true, we'd pronounce it "bahsick" rather
		than "baysick"

	AMFAR -- American Foundation for Aids Research (how in hell this 
			popped into my mind I do not know).. But if the
		rule was true, it'd be pronounced "amfair" rather than 
		"amfar"
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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Computing Across America
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Jul24.132504.17064
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

laurelh@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Laurel Hellerstein) writes:

>Today Phil Donahue featured a man buy he name of Stephen Roberts who
>travels across the US on a bicycle that is totally connected  to
>the rest of the world via various computers.  He spoke at length
>about his activity on Internet and how he is never lonely, keeps
>in touch with the world etc. by his on-board computers.

>He spoke of a book he wrote entitled _Computing Across America_.

>My questions are...1) Has anyone seen and read this book?
>2) Does anyone know where I can get a copy?
>and most important...

The book is *years* old.

I used to correspond with the guy on Compuserve's Model 100 SIG. That's
what he started out with. A Tandy Model 100. Back in the mid-80s.

>3) does anyone have his internet address? (He kept talking about his
>connection to San Diego)

I'd lay odds that his address ends "...@compuserve.com". Especially
since at one time, they were giving him free time for an online column
he was writing.

I find it rather amusing that you *automatically* assumed he was on the
Internet. We aren't the only nationwide network. And if you are travelling
unless you are lucky about arranging things in advance, I'd say the
commercial networks are a better bet! (gotta be cheaper than long 
distance back to your home machine!)

-- 
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CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/56	 Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS address is checked daily. The others infrequently)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:58:27 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <14lhhsINNls5@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> evan@gauss.math.brown.edu (Evan M. Simpson) writes:
>   On an unrelated note: Anybody else out there play Wumpus on the KIM? With
>only a hex keypad and a four-LED display the KIM could still be loads of fun.

I used to potter around with a Rockwell AIM-65, which was great for
hooking up to the outside world.  The built-in thermal printer was cute.

I cried the day I fried one of the display chips.....

Mitch.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Searchlight (Bidirectional Flame)
From: patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:17:02 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <Bs41qE.1Hy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
> >2) it is contrary to the author's philosophy of BBSing.  That is Frank
> >didn't really go for "The Sysop as big brother"
> 
> Yes, and along with that philosophy, SL doesnt even let the sysop see
> the users' passwords.  A sorry "feature" indeed.  That says "well we
> dont trust you and we think that you might share your users' passwords
> with other sysops so you arent allowed to see."  
> So when a user forgets his password and asks you what it is, you look
> like an idiot having to tell him "I dont know, I can only reset it
> for you."

Searchlight hashes each user password into a 3 byte string when the user
first signs up.  And when the user next logs in it hashes what
they enter and compares it with the 3 byte string.  So it's not
really possible to tell you the password given this storage method.

One disadvantage of this method is that many strings willl
hash to the same 3 byte string .. so if FRED is your password then
Q@@#FG may also work.  The hash method is detailed in the early
shareware versions of SL -- including Pascal source, it's
supposed to irreversable (i.e., you can't get original pwd
from 3 byte number).  I've got a program here whichj a friend wrote
which will take the pwd file and give you lots of strings which hash to
any 3 bytes .. so given a user's 3 bytes in the pwd file it willl
give you some valid passwords -- most of them being nothing like
the original pwd.  But if you combine it with an english dictionary
then you can get back any passwords that were english words.
Actually, it usually gives you several valid english words which
are equivalent to any password!

I think it is a good system for hiding passowrds -- it stops
the dishonest sysops who use users passwords to get onto
other systems where users use the same pwd.  But the 3 byte
method isn't very secure, he should change it to something
like Rivest's MD4 or MD5 algorithms.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:15:36 GMT

In article <14kv1kINNg06@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:
>In article <mtpins.711668470@icaen.uiowa.edu> mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins) writes:
>}Keep in mind that most computer "terms" are concatenated abbrev's.
>}In this case, SYStem OPerator.  Pronounce them accordingly.
>
>	I really dislike this argument, but I used to use it myself....
>
>	I dislike it because it's NOT true.  There are many many terms that
>are abbreviations/acronyms that are *not* pronounced the way in which the
>original words are.  There are only two I can think of at the moment, one
>of which is a computer term.
>
>	BASIC -- if the rule was true, we'd pronounce it "bahsick"
>	AMFAR -- American Foundation for Aids Research 

Your two examples are acronyms.  "Sysop" is not an acronym, but rather an
abbreviation containing entire syllables of the words from which it is derived.
I think Michael is quite correct.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Any Good Programmers for BBSes/Doors?
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:39:18 GMT

>Any real good C Programmers or Quick Basic 4.5+ programmers around?  
>I would like to start a new programming group in the area of BBS
>software and Door Software.  If you have good programming habits and
>write error-free code in C, Turbo C, Pascal, C++ and QB4.5+, I would like
>to hear from you regarding this.

I'm a C programmer (have been for many years) and have written quite
a number of BBS oriented programs and utilities including on-line
databases, event calendars, advertising systems, etc.  

Please count me in on your group.

Myles Wakeham
Sysop of MUSO-BBS
(818) 884-6799
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Chicago area BBS's??
From: mas@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:09:45 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: mas

Can anyone email to me any info on good BBS's in the Chicago area.  I
haven't kept up with BBS's for about 4 years and want to start up again.

Thanks!

John Mas


E-mail address  ::   MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: cshort@nmsu.edu (Spmg*d, Lord of Potted Meat Product)
Subject: Re: How to Pronounce 'MODEM'
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<1992Jul23.041525.5250@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
	<1992Jul23.134652.21734@mks.com> <rdippold.711915376@cancun>
	<BruwBn.A13@apollo.hp.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:27:17 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:18:58 GMT, holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook) said:
Alan> Nntp-Posting-Host: jurgen.ch.apollo.hp.com


Alan> I worked for one of the largest datacomm manufacurers in the world,
Alan> Racal Milgo (earlier Milgo Electronics and later Racal Datacom) at one
Alan> time, and was assured by people there that it was pronounced [long 'o']
Alan> [short 'e'].  Why?  Because, sonny, all you have to do is look around
Alan> and you'll see we got mo' o' dem den we got anyt'in' else...

Alan> (with apologies to those who have to pay to download this drivel...)

that is the correct pronounciation. here in cajun territory we ask for
'mo dem' grits.

c.
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:16:16 GMT

davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander) writes:
>>On the other hand, "sysop" is formed by combining *syllables*. It's in
>>effect a contraction of the words "system operator". And the path may 
>>have been that system got frequently shortened to "sys" and operator
>>got shortened to "op". *Then* they got combined.

>So I own a 2400bps Mah-Deem, then?

I think what you've got is something that happens when enough people
don't know what "modem" meant.  I could believe that early modem
people called them "Mah-dihms"  (I don't know anyone who says
"dee-modulator" they all lazy it to "dih-modulator).  How many people
who use them know what it stands for, though?  Hell, it looks like it
could be a "moe-dem," and it's pretty much its own word now.  "Sysop"
on the other hand, is still pretty obviously "system operator."   Just
a guess.
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