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From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks for the NE Picnic!
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:05:13 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <92284.092936IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>aigh!  i'm an idiot!  peggy, not judy!  no idea HOW i typed that!
>mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!
>
>                                        -ailsa
>                                         getting out the sackcloth
>                                         and ashes...

That's OK, I forgive you.

I like my house, too.

Peggy
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 5 1/2 mo old
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:33:12 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

Well, it's finally starting.  Paul (5 1/2 mos) started flipping over from
his stomach to his back last weekend --  my daughter started at 2 1/2 mos.
He now wakes up in the middle of the night again, complaining
about being on his back.  At 3am this morning, I went over to see what
the fuss was all about, and there he was on his back, like a beached whale.
As soon as he saw me he smiled!  Mom to the rescue!  Question,  since it's
been a long time since my daughter was a baby (14 yrs), when do babies learn
to flip back onto their stomachs?  

Paul also started sitting up for more than 10 seconds. I guess now I have
to start baby proofing the house... :->  I feel sorry for him, because when
he starts crawling, he'll have to do it on brick and hardwood floors -- ouch
on the knees!  Aren't babies fun?

Donna

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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: high HCG results need net wisdom again
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:14:59 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

I have not had the tests you have, but I did have an amnio with my second
child.  It is nothing to be afraid of.  The risk for miscarriage averages
2%, I believe.  However, if you go to an amnio specialist, a doctor who
does amnios all day every day, you'll generally find a much lower rate.  Mine
claimed a < 1% rate of problems and not all those rusulted in miscarriage.

The procedure itself is no worse than a filling and much easier than a root
canal - it takes about 1.5 minutes and a root canal takes about 1.5 hours.
If you're afraid of needles, by all means don't look at it.  But you don't
feel it, really.  They put a little novacain on your tummy so the skin is
numb.  When the needs hits the uterus, it feels like a tiny pinch.  It's
slightly disturbing, but not that uncomfortable.

And then comes the hard part - waiting.  It takes about 3 weeks for the results
to come in.  During that three weeks people asked what I would do if the
results were poor.  My answer was always, "I pray it's a decision I won't have
to make" and I was lucky.  

There are several reasons besides abortion that are good for having the test.
If you are prone to worry, then 4.5 months of worrying about the state of the
baby will not be good for you or the fetus.  If you wouldn't abort regardless,
finding out about something being wrong can help you prepare for the future.

The question you have to ask yourself is, "If something IS wrong do I want to
know?  If nothing is wrong, do I want to know that too?"  I found the answer
to both questions was "Yes" and so I had the procedure.  YMMV.

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:22:52 GMT

In article <1218@elan.Elan.COM> lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis) writes:
>My husband has an aunt whose maiden name was Faire Virgin.  Then
>she married, and her name became Faire Sax.

OK, two more.  My kid goes to school with a boy named Justin Case.

My parents are Czech-born.  Years ago they were in the habit of choosing
American doctors who spoke Czech.  Thus our family doctor, an internist,
was Dr. Belej (pronounced "Belly").

-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
                            (_) \(_)                           
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: Birth Story & moving with a newborn
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:25:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.143657.17078@chpc.utexas.edu> jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) writes:
>I've often wondered what midwives do if the water *isn't* clear, which was
>the case for me with baby #3.  He was overdue and had pooped in the amniotic
>fluid, so my water was greenish-black.  My OB just said he would have to 
>suction him extra good when he finally made his way out but before he was 
>"allowed" to breath.  This didn't seem to be a "big problem".  But the OB 
>of a friend of mine did an immediate caesarean on her because of this (SHE 
>says that was his only reason for doing a caesarean.
>
>So what do midwives say about this?

I believe that what midwives say is that the woman should come in to have
the baby monitored.  Passing meronium (sp?) in the amniotic fluid is 
POSSIBLY a sign of fetal distress.  If the baby is not in distress, and
the labor is progressing smoothly, I believe that you can still have an
out of the hospital birth.  Of course, if the baby is in distress, a
midwife would take you to the hospital since it is no longer a low risk
birth.

Minx



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Remembering Dreams/Cute Things (2 yrs)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:08:26 GMT

Has anyone else had a very sleepy 2 year old
wake up and express what you know had to be
a dream?  I have trouble remembering mine 
sometimes, I sure didn't expect my daughter
to remember her's yet. Is this common?

Yesterday afternoon she woke from nap early
and was so sleepy that I was sure that she
would drop right back off, but she looked
at me, got a sheepish grin on her face,
opened her eyes wide, and asked me where
the blue dog with the funny lips went.

I nearly lost it :)

PS - I asked her where the dog was and she
said that he was in our back yard with our
dog and it was very dark and he jumped on her.
(alot to remember if you ask me!)

Kathy T.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:47:39 GMT

In article 5056@cbnewsd.cb.att.com, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <MARTINC.92Oct8203055@grover.cs.unc.edu> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>>Nance -- God forbid I should argue with you ...
>
>Well thank you, Charlie.  I appreciate that.  Bad day?
>
>> but the nose is -not- where
>>it hurts most to get hit.
>
>Maybe not, but it shows more.
>>
>>In these situations, I usually recommend stomping on the instep,
>>backfist to the temple, followed by a wrist takedown and a little extra
>>pressure, you know, so you hear that popping sound... but a swift
>>kick in the balls is always appropriate and in good taste.
>
>I have no way of knowing this.  Does a shot to the balls hurt a
>little boy as much as it hurts a full-grown man?  Is it the same kind
>of pain?  I'm not asking this for any reason other than I don't
>know.
 
Well, from my personal experience on boy's bicycles when I was a kid, 
and lucky kneeings by my Ex later on in life, A hit in the family
treasure chest hurts just as severely at any age. The thing is that
pain remembered is dulled by years of forgetfulness while pain
happening now appears to be more intense. To back up my statement:
Whatever nerve endings a grown man has, he had them as a child.
 
>Last April my little one fell off his bike and took his first
>crotch shot.  I got a call to come home.  As I was running out of
>the building I encountered my loved one and I told him what happened.
>He was sympathetic.  I asked him if I should put ice on it.

It is not the same kind of pain as a bruise on the arm. Last summer
I tore the cartilage in my left knee. That is about the same kind
of pain. Unfortunately, it lasted longer than a swift one on the rocks.

>He still teases me about that.

I hope you laugh with him.

>-Nance
>-- 
>Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
>att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life
                             (_) \(_) 

Andreas.                      ____________
                             /  O         |
                            /\__| oo o o o|   ARE WE THERE YET?
                           / _         _  |
                           \( )-------( )-/   ARRRRRGH!




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From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:30:55 GMT
	<1992Oct7.223842.5451@jetsun.weitek.COM>
	<1992Oct8.151801.28427@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<1992Oct8.154637.7084@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com's message of 8 Oct 92 15:46:37 GMT

Nance -- God forbid I should argue with you, but the nose is -not- where
it hurts most to get hit.

In these situations, I usually recommend stomping on the instep,
backfist to the temple, followed by a wrist takedown and a little extra
pressure, you know, so you hear that popping sound... but a swift
kick in the balls is always appropriate and in good taste.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
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"I am he who walks the States with a barb'd tongue, questioning every one I
meet,/Who are you that wanted only to be told what you knew before?/ Who are
you that wanted only a book to join you in your nonsense?"  W. Whitman.
From: toney_cd@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:22:50 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

In article <92284.093306IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> um, i was in a VERY similar situation, but i lack helpful
> advice.  he will just have to find the inner resources to
> deal with it.  this sounds cold, but once a pattern like
> that sets in, often changing places doesn't even help, because
> the kid seems to haev a "kick me" sign on him as far as the
> other kids go.  being hideuosly unpopular is something, in
> my experience, that only time can fix.  just give him lots
> of love and understanding, cos it HURTS.
> 
> of course, if someoen out there has actually found somethign
> that HELPS in this sort of situation,i would be glad to hear
> it as well.  because this is one case where even afterthought
> doesn't help...  for me, anyway...
> 
> i really don't want to sound cold.  i mean, i LIVED this.  but
> in retrospect, and looking at kids, i really think that only
> the kid can fix this.  you can't MAKE kids like other kids, and
> lecturing them abot mean-ness often only makes it worse.
> 
> one thing that may help: involve him in any and all social
> things you can - 4H, cub scouts, church groups if you are
> so inclined, summer camp, any sort of special interest
> group that suits him.  interacting with a lot of peopel
> should help build his confidence, whihc shoudl help with
> the school unpopularity thing.  or at least it will give
> him a peer group outside of school.  when i was an
> unpopular kid, sunday school and 4H were lifesavers!  i
> had friends there, even if the kids at school threw rocks at me.
> 
> sorry i can't be more upbeat, and many e-hugs to your child.
> if he wants an adult e-penpal, tell him to write me at
> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com and i promise to write back.  (stop
> laughing out there!  B)  )  adult friends were a big help
> when i was an unhappy pariah as well...
> 
>                                          -ailsa
> ======================================================================
> 
> Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)
> 
> ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: source for corner guards, fireplace hearth guards
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:18:45 GMT
Keywords: catalog "One Step Ahead"


Don't know if this is too late or not, but I remember some people
asking about fireplace hearth corner guards and table corner/coffeetable 
guards.  I just got this catalog, "One Step Ahead", that has such items.
Call them for a catalog at 1-800-950-5120 M-F 8am-8pm CST and
Saturdays 8am-4pm CST.  This is from their 1992 Holiday catalog.

Christine
Mom-2-b 1/19/93
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Politically Correct things they say (2YO)
Keywords: I hope they're not teaching her this at her pre-school
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:14:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:

>Last night Anna was singing "London Bridge is falling down" but with a
>new ending:  "my fair person"

Yikes!  Well, ever since my daughter was born we're much more careful
about that sort of thing, for example, we have fire fighters and
astronauts and police officers instead of fire men and space men and
police men.  Anyway, the other day my five-year-old told me that the
mail officer had come with the mail!

I try to call animals at the zoo "she" and call construction workers
"she" too, if we couldn't tell.  At first, Alan always said, they could
be a he, but now he seems to be getting in to it.  In fact, if someone
says he, he says, it could be a she!

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: iscstk@nuscc.nus.sg (Siew Teng Kean)
Subject: Correct pronunciation of name
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:47:13 GMT

Hi,

I have a friend who chose the name Evaleen for his new baby, from one of those
baby name books, and he's now wondering what the correct pronunciation is. Can
someone tell me? Is is E-va-leen or Ev-a-leen, or some other pronunciation?  
Thanks.

Teng-Kean
-- 
Teng-Kean Siew                   Dept. of Information Systems & Computer Science
siewtk@@iscs.nus.sg              National University of Singapore
iscstk@nuscc.nus.sg              Lower Kent Ridge Road, Singapore 0511.
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Victims of Bullies
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:57:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <4570275@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
>Is it just me, or is Richard Carlson really getting annoying with his
>clinical study of misc.kidders?
>
I'm getting a little tired of it.  Since I don't have children, I
didn't think it was my place to bring it up, though.  I was just
planning to put him in a killfile if he didn't get tired and go away
soon.  (Who would've thought that misc.kids would need a killfile?) 8-(
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.002116.25859@telebit.com> brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner) writes:
>Before you decide to pull down the temple why don't you ask your friendly
>local bar assn for a referral, retain an attorney and file a trespass tort
>seeking damages and costs? Don't you think that in the worst case and one
>of those little darlings is dead-at-your-feet that one or several sucessful
>trespass actions is going to be a better defense against liability than
>what you've got? If your facts are provable you shouldn't even have to pay
>for the pleasure of cocking a snook in the faces of your fence-blind
>neighbors, and since both parties are presumably tied to the land for some
>time to come, aren't you better off being known as a litigous sob rather
>than a patsy who's bird feeder makes a neat target?

Well, you see, I did that.  And the lawyer I went to told me that it
would cost me about $200 to bring the suit, then another $500 at
least to bring it through trial.  It would also cost me in time lost from
work, cost extra for subpoenas, and the other side's lawyer could tie the
whole thing up for years with motions that would cost me even more.  And
when it finally did come to trial, it would be the evil witch from
hell vs. the sweet angels trampling my saplings and flowers.  And, after
all, kids will be kids.

Then, if I won, maybe I'd get actual damages of a couple hundred bucks
for trees and flowers.  But I wouldn't get attorney's fees.

>The same course was available to my co-Mtn View resident with the run-around
>kids with the cinder blocks, only with several forms of tort, and child
>endangerment and child out of control and landlord embelishments. Of course,
>moving away from silly people is usually the better choice, and much easier
>for a renter.

If your co-resident had the time/money/effort to do all of this.  I
sold my house and moved.

Minx



Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:00:43 GMT

mysti@sybase.com (Ms T) writes:

>Couldn't you please stick to the point?  

>Exactly *why* is it better to
>perpetuate violent behavior than to teach your children not to be violent?

Because if you don't "perpetuate violent behavior" your children will
end up teased, harrassed, or beaten up?  

People are more important than philosophical vacuities.

>And remember, the fact that violence exists is not an adequate justification.

Oh?

The fact that violent people exist is adequate justification for me.

After all, I wouldn't want my kids to be unable to defend themselves
against misogynists armed with metaphorical baseball bats.

-- 
"The distorted images of animals displayed in the media, language,
 advertising, and cartoons, distorts and degrades animals. Is this not
 another form of pornography?"
 ..............Feminists for Animal Rights, quoted in the _New Republic_.
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: gsinha@ccad.uiowa.edu (Gautam Sinha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Travelling tips with a 2-1/2 month old ...
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:52:04 GMT
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City

Hi Netters,
	I'm looking for any helpful tips in travelling (flying)  with a 2- 1/2 month old kid. 
	Anthing, which will keep him comfortable on a seemingly long flight (25 hours plus). 
	I thank you in advance, on behalf of the fellow passengers aboard
on that flight for helping them in having a comfortable flight.
:-)
Gautam



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:08:00 GMT

In article <92288.110836ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET>, <ICKAD@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes...
>Diana Choi asks where one may find Barney toys.  Funny you should ask.  On
>page 23 of the "Constructive Playthings" catalog, they advertise a Barney
>puppet.  Even Jamie (2.75 yrs.), whom I allowed to thumb through the pages,
>exclaimed, "Oooh, wook!  Barney!"  Their toll-free order number is
>1-800-832-0572.
> 
Oh, yeah, but they have a complete line of stuff at J.C. Penney.
Shirts, pj's, backpacks, lunchboxes, and stuffed animals. My son
has Barney and Baby Bop. They are expensive, though.
                                       Patti Twigg
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: The new Thermoscan ear thermometer
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:41:35 GMT


I just purchased the new Thermoscan ear thermometer at a price
of $119.95.  I'm not sure how accurate it is though.

When I take one of my daughter's temperature, I get a slightly
different reading each time.  Some times it can be as much as
1 degree.

When I take my own temperature, it is usually within a couple
tenths of a degree.

The instruction book emphasises that you have to place the probe
in the ear canal and point towards the drum.  I think that I'm
doing it right.

Does anyone else have this thermometer?  Are you happy with it?

I want to use it from now on, instead of the old rectal method,
with the digital thermometer, because my 2 year old is terrified
of having her temperature taken.  My 9 month old is starting to
fight the rectal thermometer method also.  

The ear thermometer is so easy and quick, I just hope that it
will be accurate enough to detect fever.  I don't want to rush
down to the doctor's and have them tell me that my daughters'
temperatures are normal.

Sandy
smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com
From: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:35:04 GMT
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio

<1992Oct2.141954.29680@ttinews.tti.com>
Reply-To: jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR Systemedia Group Headquarters, Dayton (Miamisburg), Ohio
Keywords: 

>
>We have a friend who is a professional massage therapist, and Sarah
>insists on a rub whenever she somes to visit.
>
I would too!  :-)

-Jim