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Does England count?

Brenda

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From: boblet@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Darwin C Boblet)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:24:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Air cooled or Water cooled??
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.boats

I used to own a Catalina 25 with a Honda 100 (10hp)Outboard for an aux.
This is a water cooled 4 stroker (don't need to add oil to the fuel)
and it worked it's little heart out for all 4 years I owned the 
boat.  I used it exclusivly in Salt water (S.F. Bay) and found that all
I needed to do was purge out the motor with fresh water every time I 
was done useing it.  This was of course not possible when cruising 
around for a week or so, but generaly proved quite adequate.  The motor   
was used when I got it (at least a few years to 5) and the only
problem I had was that about every 2 years, I had to pull off the side
cover and clean out the gook (mostly encrusted salt) and replace the
themostat gaskette.                      

As long as you keep in mind that you can't rinse ALL the salt out and
some minor maintenance is needed every couple years (for you, at your
winter haul would be good), and keep an eye on how much water your
engine is discharging (if it slows, fix it before your next trip), I
would stick with the water cooled engine, but then I've never run an
air cooled one myself.

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben)
Subject: Re: Marine Stereo and Speakers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:03:15 GMT

I am considering installing a stereo in my boat and am planning on installing
a standard automotive head unit, CD changer, and speakers.  These will all
be in the cabin which doesn't get sprayed unless I leave a hatch open and 
take a wave over the bow.  (that made my day last fall :)  )

Has anyone out there had problems with an auto stereo that is installed in a
dry location in a boat? 

Dan McKibben
Wachusett
Point Pleasant, NJ

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: SF Boat Show
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:18:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <1993Jan26.162446.25750@unet.net.com> linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
>West Marine has a lowest price guarantee , so they will always match
>someone else's price - you don't have to wait for a boat show.  They may not
>be happy about it, but they'll honor it.

They don't always match the best deal.  A few months ago, I received an E&B
sale catalog with a 10% off offer on Taylor boat covers, and a general $10 off
coupon besides.  I took the flyer into the local West Marine store, and they
pretended not to understand or believe the catalog.  They said they'd call E&B
to check on the price, and call me later -- which they did, the next day.
However, in order to get the sale price from E&B, you have to give them your
customer event number from the catalog.  West didn't want to hear about this.
They called me back and said they'd meet the price E&B had quoted them, which
was not the sale price.  So I ordered from E&B.

-- 
David R. Smith, HP Labs |   "I like to get my hands dirty,
dsmith@hpl.hp.com       |   because it stimulates my mind."
(415) 857-7898          |        -- Irwin Sobel
From: karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boat Show
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:09:10 GMT

Speaking of dubious sailboat designs, amateur sailors, etc., here's my favorite
quote from the Philly boat show:

Man looking at Catalina 30: 'I don't like this one as much.  It doesn't have
                             a microwave.'

Makes me think I should stop worrying so much about learning things before I 
get a bigger boat and just figure out how to buy it.

Oh, and before I get flamed, I don't have anything against people who get a 
boat to party.  I just think that if you're going to spend that kind of money 
on a boat without looking at it's nautical characteristics, you're bound to
end up disappointed.  I can't afford dissapointments like that.  :-)

Karina
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From: dmacmullin@DMACMULLIN.UCCB.NS.CA (Dean MacMullin)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Looking for 20' Speedboat
Summary: Options are open ..
Keywords: Preferably in U.S.A
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:15:36 GMT
Organization: University College of Cape Breton

In article <dmacmullin.1@DMACMULLIN.UCCB.NS.CA> dmacmullin@DMACMULLIN.UCCB.NS.CA (Dean MacMullin) writes:

>  Looking for a boat for a friend:

>   Year:  1986 -90      
>   Size:  @ 19'-21' Speedboat
>   Engine Size:           6-8 cylinder
>   Special: Wants small berth in the bow.
>            c/w trailor
>             "  covers, etc..

>       My friends options are open at the present time and is 
>willing to look at various makes & models. Will like it for May/
>93.
>       Please send brief details through email with 
>telephone number, and friend will get back to you for 
>further details.               	


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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Young Sailors
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:36:29 GMT

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To: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Young Sailors
 
Sorry I am writing direct but unfortunitly I have not work out how to respond to
messages from the tin news network..
 Normaly this is not a problem as there have been no articals I have wanted to
write on but this one is particularly close to me, if you could put it on tin I
would apprechiate it...(or tell me how I can)....
 
        Taking your child sailing at that age to me is great idea.. I started
boating
at six months old and was even dropred in the canal once or twice at about that
age as well it never did me any harm.....
 
        When I was six I was aloud to sail our Embasy (similar to a mirror in
size)
with our Newfoundland dog (all 14 stone of it!!!) on my own...The lake I sailed
on was West Kirby Lake (about a mile long and 1/4 of a mile wide although I was
restricted to half of it by my parents who wre in the sailing clud watching most
of the time, although I was only aloud to do this in good weather....
        At 7 I was sailing regularly in Cadets travelling round the country.
        At 11 I helmed a Cadet at the Nationals and was aloud to sail when I
wanted in
most weathers un aided.
 
        Now for the last three years I have been teaching sailing in all sorts
of boats
all over the place, passing my R.Y.A dinghy instructors at 16.
        I also started making day passages in my familys 26 foot stella sailing
yacht
of about 65 miles at the age of 6.
 
        The list could on of things I did in boats when I was by some peoples
standards
"to young" but provided children are not pushed to hard by parents and made to
go sailing when they dont want to or they dont think can.
        Saying that I have never become any good at racing boats I have done
well on
ocasions but I have never really shone, saying that most people that have sailed
with me have enjoyed them selves and after all whats it all about fun.....
 
 
        If there is any one who disagrees with me I would be delighted to
know...
        All you have to do is be carefull...
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:47:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners) writes:

     I'll stay were I am.  No bears.

But there are if you sail on Yellowstone Lake, which I am thinking of
doing this year :-)

B.S!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:34:19 GMT

>My point is that irresponsibility is not limited to jet-skiers.  I have been
>buzzed by bassboaters, waterskiers, and every other type of go-fast boat.
>Believe it or not, I have even encountered one or two inconsiderate 
>sailors :). 

Scott, If you add pontoon boats and sailboards you would be duplicating
my list.  It's the people -- not the toys!  There are plenty of safe
drag-boat, bassboat, jet-ski, etc., etc., operators out there, but it
only takes one yaa-hoo to spoil a nice day for dozens of people.
From: rzsbf@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Faerber)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Somebody in Europe reading?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:45:15 GMT
Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum
NNTP-Posting-Host: sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de
Keywords: Europe, Germany, France

Is somebody in Europe, especially Germany or France
reading this group at all?
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Air cooled or Water cooled??
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 3450070@hpcc01.corp.hp.com, boblet@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Darwin C Boblet) writes:
> I used to own a Catalina 25 with a Honda 100 (10hp)Outboard for an aux.
> This is a water cooled 4 stroker (don't need to add oil to the fuel)
> and it worked it's little heart out for all 4 years I owned the 
> boat.  I used it exclusivly in Salt water (S.F. Bay) and found that all
> I needed to do was purge out the motor with fresh water every time I 
> was done useing it.  This was of course not possible when cruising 
> around for a week or so, but generaly proved quite adequate.  The motor   
> was used when I got it (at least a few years to 5) and the only
> problem I had was that about every 2 years, I had to pull off the side
> cover and clean out the gook (mostly encrusted salt) and replace the
> themostat gaskette.                      
> 
> As long as you keep in mind that you can't rinse ALL the salt out and
> some minor maintenance is needed every couple years (for you, at your
> winter haul would be good), and keep an eye on how much water your
> engine is discharging (if it slows, fix it before your next trip), I
> would stick with the water cooled engine, but then I've never run an
> air cooled one myself.



I 2nd what Darwin has to say about the Honda outboard, only I had to learn it
the hard way.  I had a Honda 75 on my O'day 23, and I liked it fine.  It 
started easily, didn't use much fuel, ran very quietly, and I didn't have to
mess with mixing oil to the gasoline.  I too flushed the engine after every 
use in salt water (and even used it in fresh water quite often).  However, I
did not know about removing hte plate and cleaning the accumulated salt from
the thermostat until (after about 4 years) enough salt accumulated that no
water could flow throught the engine.  The engine overheated until it stopped.
Fortunately, it started again after it cooled, but did not run quite right.
Unfortunatley, I had cracked the block, so I got to buy a new block and 
rebuild it from the block up.  Fortunatley, I now have had the experience of 
rebuilding an outboard engine.  :-)

So, I highly recommend the Honda outboard - just take care of cleaning out
the salt that accumulates in the thermostat.  Once a year is not too often.
I have lost of friends who have air cooled engines.  They (the engines) are 
noisy!

Jeff Huntington
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Split rec.boats??
From: kroin@mcvax4.d48.lilly.com
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:59:46 EST
Followup-To: Split Rec boats,rec.boats
Distribution: world,local
Summary: smartass remarks

            May I point out that my humble little sail boat has a motor
            next to the rudder (though I try not to use it much it's
            still there in the back of the boat). Stan-- 
--          Blessed be the peacemakers......
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      J.S.K@Lilly.Com is really Julian Kroin,late of Indpls. IN.
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wjm@snipe.chi.il.us (Bill Mania)
Subject: Snipe construction
Organization: Mania/Ross Partners
Distribution: chi
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:38:16 GMT

I am in the process of constructing a Snipe, a 16 foot, plywood
hull, sloop rigged sailboat. I am curious to see if anyone else
in the metropolitan Chicago area is doing the same.

--
Bill Mania
wjm@snipe.chi.il.us
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Split rec.boats??
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:41:02 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <y9k3wbp@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:

   >------------------------------------------------------------
   >My opinions - not my employer's

   I second the motion...

   let us vote on creating:

       rec.boat.sail   to discuss sailing related issues
       rec.boat.power  to discuss motor related issues
       rec.boat.other  to discuss other boat types and issues

You forgot the newsgroups for:

       rec.boat.hyper-sensitive-paranoids
       rec.boat.ethnocentric-bigots

;-) ;-) ;-)

Torsten Weirich

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From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:17:50 GMT
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support


In article <1993Jan26.113419.28034@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:
>>My point is that irresponsibility is not limited to jet-skiers.  I have been
>>buzzed by bassboaters, waterskiers, and every other type of go-fast boat.
>>Believe it or not, I have even encountered one or two inconsiderate 
>>sailors :). 
>
>Scott, If you add pontoon boats and sailboards you would be duplicating
>my list.  It's the people -- not the toys!  There are plenty of safe
>drag-boat, bassboat, jet-ski, etc., etc., operators out there, but it
>only takes one yaa-hoo to spoil a nice day for dozens of people.

Just as I'm not dangerous just because I own a number of firearms (as long as
you are not in my house without my permission :-), owning some sort of
high-performance power boat doesn't make a person a "bad guy".  It's the head
driving the boat.

Reverse anecdote:  I saw a wind surfer fly off a boat's wake and almost cream a
jet ski.  Fortunately, he missed.  Even better, the boat he wake jumped was the
sherrif.  Word was he also failed a breathalyzer.
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Subject: Re: Origin of Starboard (was Wheel steering on small boats)
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:17:52 GMT

In <C1H2FL.4AC@metaflow.com> mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.101222.5385@alcatel.no>, vatne@alcatel.no (Lars Vatne) writes:
>|> And. as y'all know, the steering oar used by the vikings was called
>|> "styri", and was the origin of "starboard" (or "styrbord" in Norwegian). 
>|> The oar is of course mounted on starboard, check out the vikingships in
>|> Bygdoy, Oslo, Norway the next time you're around, and we can go for a 
>|> sail afterwards (my boat's just five minutes down the road from there).
>|> -- 
>|> Lars Vatne                     Phone  : +47 22 63 76 51    
>|> Engineering Division           Fax    : +47 22 63 84 97  
>|> Alcatel Telecom Norway AS      e-mail : lars.vatne@alcatel.no
>|> 

>Now that we know the *real* origin of starboard, what is the
>origin of port ?

The ship were in the arbour with the stearin oar on the outside, so the
other side were to the port. In some other languages port is referred as
babord or backbord, and it is the side behind the helmsman, or on the same
side as his back.

- Lauri Tarkkonen



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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:02:35 GMT

In article <30163@oasys.dt.navy.mil> hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners) writes:
 [ second PWC-related accident description deleted ]
>Don't think there's much hope of controling this situation, just
>continuing to remind people to be careful and don't do those neatsy
>keen manuveurs on jet skis near other boats.  You want wakes to jump?
>Go out on the Bay in Force Fives.  But *STAY AWAY FROM OTHER BOATS*.

"Staying away" from other boats isn't the solution -- assuming that
a normal boat to boat distance is kept.  Trying to say that there
is no inherent reason for a PWC to stay further away than a any other
type of boat.
Staying _alert_ and looking before you turn is what's needed.  Turning
into the wake of a boat that has just passed is idiotic even if you
_think_ you looked.

Let's not let a couple of horror stories about idiotic mistakes be used
to condem all us "little bastards" (Bob's words) who have ever enjoyed a
ride on a PWC.  I'm sure we could generate plenty of equally sad and stupid
tales about powerboats.  Perhaps even some sailing incidents as
well.

Can we all just agree that boating requires knowledge and attention, and
that lacking either of these can lead to tragic results on *any* type
of watercraft?

Don
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" 'Cause you see son, it's one of my responsibilities as a parent to wean
you from life's joy and prepare you for the relentless heartache that is
adulthood." -- Earl Sinclair to Robbie
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki PWC (was: Re: Split rec.boats?? and Jet Skis)
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:58:51 GMT

In article <moseley.175.728152109@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>I've ridden the Kawasaki TS and it put me to sleep.

Never ridden one, but I know they are indeed lower performance than the 750SS.

>The Xi has some typical performance 
>mods (air box, cylinder head, stainless prop, etc.) and some small sponsons 
>which supposedly stabilize the boat at high speed, which has been reported 
>to be a problem with the SS.

Yeah, I can testify that at speed there is some discomforting chine wobble.
Doesn't actually lose it, just feels rather funny.  If they fix this it
would eliminate my only unhappiness with the 750SS.

Don
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" 'Cause you see son, it's one of my responsibilities as a parent to wean
you from life's joy and prepare you for the relentless heartache that is
adulthood." -- Earl Sinclair to Robbie
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From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:45:51 GMT
Subject: Re: SF Boat Show
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

 

   The worst part of the show was the marguerita stand. You could buy a
cruising sailboat for the price of three drinks! 

   I think the Alemeda in the water show in april will be better. If anyone
is planning to buy any gear this may be the time. I was able to get West 
Marine to give me the same price as the Defender add in the January Lat-
itude. The final price was without sales tax and shipping!!!