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Subject: Re: Oklahoma clinches Orange Bowl
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:33:10 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
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From what I understand, the Orange Bowl takes the higher ranked
team.  Not the team that won head-to-head or who hasn't been to
the OB the latest.  So, from you're scenerio, and OU gets ranked
above  the rest of the Big 8, then they would "probably" go.
Which would then put CU in the Alliance, NU in the Aloha and
KU ????  I think that Gibbs went for the tie, thinking that he
really didn't have a chance to win it(remember, OU fumbled on
4th-and-goal at the goalline earlier in the game).  So he
could salvage a winning season.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:32:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov17.193244.61537
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.214321.26799@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.181537.1824@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>>Miami can and SHOULD avoid this rematch -- as you said, very little to
>>gain, and a LOT to lose... sorry, FSU you had a shot.
>>
>>PS: I am NOT a Miami fine, and last year blasted them for ducking
>>Florida (no question they did!), but this year I think they are
>>entitled to avoid FSU (if the coalition rules allow it) as they
>>already trounced them.
>         ^^^^^^^^
>TROUNCED? I believe the phrase you were groping for here is "squeaked by
>on a missed field goal"
>
>r
>

Depends on how you look at it..  Miami held FSU to it's worst offensive 
outing of the year.  And, though many people like to talk about that 
missed FG, remember that the missed FG amounted to nothing more than
FSU having a chance to TIE the game, not win it.  

-- 
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From: rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.212802.20596@news.nd.edu> rwood1@takagi.helios.nd.edu (richard wood) writes:
>Not that it makes mush difference, but the bowls are
>put together according to the rankings of the teams
>from the CNN/USA Today Poll - NOT the AP Poll.
>
>
>later

I'm just curious ... does anyone have any verification of
this.  I always thought the AP poll decided the polls.

		- rob
From: subhas@charon.rutgers.edu (Subhasish Roy Choudhury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Projected bowl matchups
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:45:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


   BOWL                 TEAM       vs.       TEAM

1. Silver         San Jose State   vs.  Bowling Green State *
                  (Big West Champ)      (MAC champ)

2. Aloha             Hawaii        vs.     Kansas
                  (WAC No. 2)            (B8 No. 3)

3. Copper            BYU           vs.     Iowa
                  (WAC No. 3)            (At large)

4. Freedom           USC           vs.     Indiana
                  (P10 No. 3)            (At large)

5. Holiday        San Diego State  vs.   Michigan State/Illinois
                  (WAC No. 1)            (B10 No. 3)

6. Independence   Wake Forest *    vs.     Rutgers
                  (At large)             (At large)

7. John Hancock   Texas/Baylor     vs.     Arizona
                  (SWC No. 2)            (At large)
                  (No. 3 Coalition II)
8. Gator          Georgia          vs.     Stanford
                  (SEC No. 3)            (P10 No. 2)
                                         (No. 1 Coalition II)
9. Liberty        Air Force *      vs.   Mississippi *
                  (Service Acad. 1)      (At large)

10. Hall of Fame  Boston College   vs.   Tennessee
                  (Big East No. 3)       (At large)

11. Cotton        Texas A & M      vs.   Notre Dame
                  (SWC No. 1)            (Coalition I)

12. Citrus        Ohio State       vs.   Florida
                  (B10 No. 2)            (SEC No. 2)

13. Blockbuster   Penn State *     vs.   Colorado
                                         (B8 No. 2)
                                         (No. 2 Coalition II)

14. Fiesta        Syracuse         vs.   NC State
                  (Big East No. 2)       (ACC No. 2)
                  (Coalition I)          (Coalition I)

15. Rose          Washington *     vs.   Michigan *
                  (P10 Champ)            (B10 Champ)

16. Orange        Nebraska         vs.   Florida State
                  (B8 Champ)             (ACC Champ)
                                         (Coalition I)

17. Sugar         Alabama          vs.   Miami
                  (SEC champ)            (Big East Champ)
                                         (Coalition I)

18. Peach         North Carolina   vs.   Mississippi State *
                  (ACC No. 3)

* - Confirmed and accepted their bids
The explanations and bowl tie-ups are given in the brackets wherever
possible.

Any comments welcome.

Subhasish Roy
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From: jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN MARCEY)
Subject: Re: Projected bowl matchups
Originator: jimarcey@c00569-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN MARCEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:43:03 GMT


There is a rumor tht has been substantiated that N.C. State has a chance of 
making the Orange Bowl w/ a convincing win over Wake Forest and an Alabama loss
to Florida....hear anything?
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cougar Bowl Hopes?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 21:30:47 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
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jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>happy.  Should I be optimistic?  And a little bit later, someone
>(I can't remember who now, I was away from the TV) alluded to a
>possible WSU-Iowa matchup.
This matchup is even more probable because San Diego State lost to Fresno
State.  That would put Hawaii and BYU in the Holiday and Aloha (probably).

>Isn't it a shame that an 8-3 PAC-10 team has to wait to see if
>it's going to be in a bowl?
Well, you know it's really your fault.  If you WSU fans were more numerous and
travel-happy, then your team would be a better team. :^)
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-14-92)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:12:33 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:04:46 GMT


Purdue has no hope against IU.  Alstott (sp?), the freshman fullback
who has looked super this year, is out with a broken foot/ankle (I
heard both, the Exponent said ankle, which means it's probably foot)
Hill and Conners are both out, so there are no running backs of
experience/merit for Purdue.  Feh.

Maybe start Pike at QB and Hunter at RB.  That'll confuse 'em, at
least...

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                             Aye, I like her eyes!

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:42:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.213847.15720@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) writes:
>>Dave "Lee Corso" Meeks writes:
>>
>>>Bottom line, the only explanation I can see for this is margin of victory.
>>>Miami has schedule strength, they have Won/lost/tie total, they have defense,
>>> etc...  Does anyone out there realize that Iowa, Arizona, FSU, PSU, TCU, 
>>>and Temple all had their WORST offensive point totals against Miami???
>>And does anyone out there realize he's wrong?  
What's the big deal?  Meek has been using disinformation/lies to argue all 
the time.  This isn't the first time, and won't be the last time either.

>And TCU only scored 7 against the Mighty Lobos of UNM.
>Arizona scored only 7 against both Miami and USC(west).
>FSU scored 13 against UVA as opposed to 16 against Miami.
>The others he is correct about.
Geez, Meek, I hope you won't get into a flame war with people claiming that
your statement "WORST offensive points total against Miami" having another 
meaning, you didn't really say it, or 13 is not WORSE than 16, etc, or 
we'll see another 2-month flame war like the one I had with you over
the summer.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:27:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov17.192752.15077
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1e9289INN97i@gap.caltech.edu> schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) writes:
>The reason that I wouldn't rank them as high as they are is not because of
>their schedule alone, but because of their schedule and the fact that
>they haven't dominated their easy opponents.  Power ranking systems
>show this fact well.  Take a look at mine or any of the others.  You
>will find that TAMU is not ranked as high as in the conventional polls.
>

Translation:  They didn't pile on the points against the other teams.  This
seems to be the problem with to many of the so-called "power ranking systems"
I have seen.  Too many of them account for margin of victory, even to the
extremes.  Now, I haven't seen Kevin's formula, so I can't say his does, but
his rankings seem to bear this out... Nebraska hasn't really beaten anyone
of note.  They beat Colorado and Kansas, but lost to Washington.  They have
only played 1 team in Schmidt's top 10, and haven't beaten them.  Miami
has faced 2 Schmidt top 10, and beaten them both.  They lost to lowly Iowa
State and only went down 2 points.  Miami beat up on Temple, 48-0, and went
down half a point.  TAMU, at 10-0, and a stronger schedule than Georgia
(according to Schmidt), is ranked below Georgia, who has two losses.  Miami
is also 2 points behind Michigan, who has a weaker schedule and two ties.
Michigan has only played 1 team in Schmidts top 35!!!  And they only tied 
Notre Dame.  

Bottom line, the only explanation I can see for this is margin of victory.
Miami has schedule strength, they have Won/lost/tie total, they have defense,
etc...  Does anyone out there realize that Iowa, Arizona, FSU, PSU, TCU, 
and Temple all had their WORST offensive point totals against Miami???
-- 
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VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Division III playoff results
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:04:06 GMT


Division III results for November 22, 1992

        Mount Union 27, Dayton 10
        Ill. Wesleyan 21, Aurora 12
        Central Iowa 20, Carleton 8
        Wis.-La Crosse 47, Redlands 26
        Emory & Henry 17, Thomas More 0
        Washington & Jefferson 33, Lycoming 0
        Rowan 41, Worcester Tech 14
        Buffalo St. 28, Ithaca 26


Next week's games:

        Ill. Wesleyan (10-0) at Mount Union (11-0)
        Wis.-La Crosse (9-0-1) at Central Iowa (10-0)
        Emory & Henry (11-0) at Washington & Jefferson (9-1)
        Rowan (11-0) at Buffalo St. (8-2) 

- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Who's #3 in Big 10
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:58:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.114547.60920@cc.usu.edu> sl45z@cc.usu.edu writes:
>	Just a quick question.  Who is vying for third place in the Big 10
>(11)?  I understand they will be playing in the Holiday Bowl.  Sounds like BYU
>would do much better playing in the Freedom Bowl or the Aloha Bowl if it is
>still an option.  The Copper Bowl doesn't seem to hold a lot of promise as far
>as getting 2 good teams.  I'd rather see BYU lose a tough game than have them
>play a dud, winning by 40 pts.  The way BYU is playing right now, they will
>give most any team a good hard game.  Good Luck.

	Michigan State, Iowa, and Illinois, to answer question #1.  As for
	the Copper and Freedom Bowls, don't they seem like the most
	expendable bowls?  Neither are well attended, and well, they
	seem pretty worthless.  If we got rid of these bowls, we probably
	wouldn't have to worry about whether a 6-6 team deserves a bid
	or not...  When the Copper Bowl first started, it seemed like
	nothing but a vehicle for Arizona to assure itself a spot...

-- 
-------------------------------
| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
>best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
>ago).  And Miami has the best college football team in world history.  There
>is only one question left to be decided: which college has the best looking
>cheerleaders?

It is certainly *NOT*  Texas A&M!!!!!!

>
>This weekend should provide ample ;-) evidence that the University of
>Southern California has without a doubt the best looking cheerleaders. 
>There should be plenty of gratuitous coverage of these buxom beauties when
>USC plays Note Dame on Saturday.  They just can't be denied.
>
>jc
>-- 
>
>What we really need to do to bring peace to the middle-east
>is to get the Jews together with the Muslims
>and teach them to act like good Christians.


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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:10:22 GMT

JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.

>Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?

>If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
>in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
>I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
>year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.

You of all people should not be talking about integrity !

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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Huskers lose. Mega-Major Bummer!!
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:07:54 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: dfc292be09782b59bbc2799419320ed4

In article <BxxD4v.CwB@news.iastate.edu> jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:
>In article <skipb.722096893@cwis> skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
>>HOld it, time out! I was at the game and those flags situated around the
>>stadium were whipping pretty good. The wind was coming from the NorthWest at a
>>steady 10-13 mph with gusts up to 20mph. The wind definately had an affect 
>>on the game, 3 of ISU's FGs were kicked with the wind. And the wind made the
>>Wind Chill miserable. The rest of your assesment is true, the ISU defense 
>>played inspired football not letting the Husker offense get into any type of 
>>rythm. They deserved to win, not us.
>>
>>I just had to make the record clear about the wind because *I* was freezing my
>>butt off in it.
>
>For Cyclone Stadium, the wind conditions during the Husker-Cyclone game were
>mild.  It has been much worse on a couple of occasions this year. This is why
>Walden wants to run when playing in our wind tunnel.
>
>I can't believe you were freezing you butt off; the sun was out, and the wind
>wasn't that bad. I wasn't all that cold, but I dressed for the occasion.
>

I can believe that I was, I was in the south endzone, facing into the wind, and
shaded by the big scoreboard.  If the fans hadn't packed in before the game, I
would have been frozen.
-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
From: MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:50:18 GMT
 <1992Nov16.143609.14103@lgc.com> <1992Nov17.000614.16218@spss.com>
 <1992Nov17.125540.2294@lgc.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov17.125540.2294@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
says:
>
>Do you really think the refs would have made the same call in Saturday's
>game if the roles were reversed, and the game were at Penn State?  I wonder.

Yes. The refs have penalized other (non-Godly) teams in the past for the
same problem. How would YOU have cleared the field? Asked nicely?
----
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TEAM OS/2
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: Rice 34 Baylor 31
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:47:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.230135.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> traynor@fnalf.fnal.gov writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.034421.18400@u.washington.edu>, tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>>Heisman woofing in the SWC has grown to a ridiculous extent. 
>> 
>> What?  What!?
>> 
>> GT
>
>Any chance of Rice going to a bowl this year?
>

Yes - Rice has been scouted by the Independence and Sun (I think) Bowls.  Rice
has really finished the season strong.  A Navy win (maybe we should 
be overconfident and say THE Navy win) seals up Rice's first winning
season in 29 years.  A victory over UofHouston will put Rice anywhere
from 2nd to 4th in the SWC, depending on results of the Baylor-Texas
and A&M-Texas games.

Still annoyed about the botched onside kick call against Texas ....


go yellowjackets (limply)!  go owls! (gotta root for someone)


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

Posing nude in _Playboy_ was "probably the best time of my life - except for
when I found God." - Jessica Hahn
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Michigan
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:34:07 GMT

In article <Bxrx2B.LMn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:

 >You bet you'll go down in ranking.  There will no no more whining about who
 >should be ahead anymore: Miami and Michigan, or even Bama and Michigan.  If I 
 >were you, I wouldn't be too satisfied with the outcome of the game.  I mean 
 >really, Illinois was a team that wasn't even ranked in the top 25... and we 
 >tied the mighty Michigan.  Also, it was at home for you wimps!!!!  106,000 
 >plus people there at the game, and YOU TIED US!!!  HA-HA-HA!!!!  The number 3
 >team in the nation, could only TIE an unranked team AT HOME!!!!  How pathetic!!!
 >You're lucky that you're still going to the Rose Bowl... do you think that you
 >really deserve it after this, and losing to Purdue for 1/2 the game????????

What we don't deserve is assholes like you.  Why don't you crawl back
into the hole you came out of?  Michigan is still undefeated in the
wimpy ten.  Can Illinois say the same?  What a dickhead.


-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: TRIPLE PLAYS (was Re: Help with a trivia question)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 03:02:26 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: tiguzz

This year, at one point, Michigan was
# 3 in Football 
# 1 in Hockey
# 1 in Basketball

They have since fallen to #6 (#8) in football and
#5 in hockey, but they still have a good chance at
winning a major bowl (smirk) and possibly winning
hockey and/or basketball. 

				Marty

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.151455.5658@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu  
(Stupendous Man) writes:

> > But it is the "Thrifty" Holiday Bowl, so maybe the
> > Hawkeyes will line their pockets...I'm sure the
> > Big-10 will make them go if all other Big-10 teams
> > that are elgible to bowl go somewhere else.
> 
> The Big-10 has no say.  OSU stated flately that there would be no bowl
> games when they fired Bruce, even though OSU won to go 6-4-1.

But did the Big-10 have an agreement with a bowl guaranteeing them
the third place team?  I think not.  

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
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