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From: ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Basic Library Skills -- "Look it up!"
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:45:43 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Summary: Are basic library skills not being taught anymore?

Are basic library skills no longer being taught in schools?

I ask this because of a recent incident when someone posted to the net
(in alt.politics.homosexuality) that "if homosexuality were normal, then
why are humans the only ones that have homosexual sex?"  Seeing what I
perceived as an obvious anti-gay taunt, I replied flippantly, "We aren't.
Go read a book."

Amazingly, =four= people wrote to me, expressing an earnest desire for
more information, where they could read about homosexuality in animals,
wanting me to cite sources, etc.....

And who am I? Another of the thousand thousand who play here.

If you want Answers (with a capital 'A') you aren't going to find them 
on the net... at least not yet. (Wait 'til the LOC goes online with the
fulltext of everything eve written.) In the meantime, seriously go to
your local library (preferably a university with a federal repository)
and learn how to use the card catalog indexing system. (Heck, most of
them are already online with terminals -- or even dialups or telnet
links to search their books.)
 
Look in the HQ76 section, where a lot of homosexuality-related books
live, just waiting to be dusted off and read. Flip through the index,
looking for things that interest you.... statistics, measurements,
studies, opinions, several periodicals including the reknowned _Journal
of Homosexuality_ (hint: not a bar rag) and more. Free!
 
You can scan through the magazine index, too, and find very recent,
very current articles in all manner of scientific journals giving you
all the facts and more you need to research this stuff on your own.
 
If you are a student, especially, good library skills will make all
the difference in your studies, =and= your grades and achievement.
Knowing =where= to find something is more important than knowing that
thing, in most cases.
 
So..... go read a book, for real! :)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: A Better Year Ahead
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:28:23 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|
|  [ suggestions about how to work on improving the newsgroup ]
|
| -  Since its inception, we've loosely considered the
|    founding message as a kind of charter for soc.motss, the
|    major tenet of which, in practical terms, is that our
|    sexuality is not open for discussion as something that
|    needs to be defended.  Notwithstanding that we can always
|    profit from talking about what is or isn't appropriate
|    here, it seems to me that at a minimum we can agree that
|    who and what we are is not an appropriate debate.

I *think* I agree with the gist of what you're getting at here --
that this newsgroup should be *our* *home* and not the
appropriate place to discuss whether our "lifestyle" is
legitimate, and so on -- however, I do disagree that "who
and what we are" is an inappropriate topic here.

In fact, we spent quite a bit of time discussing "who and what
we are" in my class at IGLE this last semester, fascinating
discussions completely within a lesbigay "home" context.
Where else but within the (somewhat) safe confines our own
home newsgroup can *we* discuss "who and what we are" --
vital issues about our identity, our self-understanding,
and the meaning of our community.

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:04:15 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina

In article <1992Dec17.210854.18532@lclark.edu> klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:

>P.P.S.  The UNIX spell checker continues to amaze me...

when I was writing a paper that mentioned Mario Cuomo, the suggestion for
changing it on my spell checker was "cum."

season


-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
Xref: sparky soc.motss:52168 soc.bi:16490
From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:52:23 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 569d063be9b38be5bda3a2a0de4aac83

<Complaint about MOW Platform being "too inclusive" elided.>

I spoke at a regional MOW meeting about the perceived overbroadness of
the platform, and the distinct impression that I was getting during the
meeting that if I didn't believe in ALL of these causes wholeheartedly
that somehow I wasn't "fit to call myself gay."

A few folk responded along the lines of {well, of course all gay and
lesbian folk support these issues} but most of the folk did a quick
reflection and noted that every person retained the right of conscience
to lend their assent ONLY to those portions of the platform that they do
agree with.

I had hoped for an explicit statement of this in the platform, but that
platform is already too top-heavy with glad-handing and buzzwords, and
focused to closely on the issues, rather than on the basic principles.

Even so, I *WILL* be in DC for the March, and I will be there to lobby
several folk and congress critters, and I will make my voice join in
"harmony" with everyone else.   Harmony is NOT unison, our song is not a
somber plainsong chant, but a rich polyphonic tapestry of music, and a
tapestry of life!

We are a diverse people, and we celebrate that diversity.  Conflict and
disagreement are common, "normal" occurrences when folk get together and
work together.  The trick is to not let to conflict become the focus,
but the means to the achievement of the real purpose.

I may not agree with every single point of the platform, but I
understand its intent and agree with be underlying principles of respect
for the individual, and the celebration of and acceptance of the
pluralism that is the reality to this country.

Don't get hung up on the tyranny of the word, come and be part of the
solution.
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den, Durham NC	[This site is NOT affiliated  ]
wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us			[with Duke University! Idiots!]
UUCP: ...!duke!wolves!wolfe      <Standard Disclaimers apply>
    Above All, we celebrate!  --Celebrate the Circle, Statement of Purpose.
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:38:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47539
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

I do like John's suggestion about twee colors (I added the twee part
all on my own!).  But maybe at least one of the groups should be:

soc.about.people.who.have.relations.with.members.of.the.same.sex

oops!  we already have that, don't we.

But seriously, please remember that many, many organizations do not
carry full newsfeeds and thus strip the alt.* hierarchies
and hierarchies which are primarily political in nature.  The soc.*
hierarchy gets through for cultural reasons.

I wouldn't mind seeing a soc.motss.announce and soc.motss.announce.d
in addition to soc.motss, but soc.motss itself is just too steeped in
lore to drop outright.  I remember being told by a muffin one time that
havine soc.motss in his .newsrc file wasn't so bad as it didn't actively
out him at work the way alt.politics.homosexual (is that the group?)
would.

Remember that this newsgroup really is a place where people chat.  When
people find enough that they are interested in to stay happy, they join
in and life goes on.  When people don't find enough, they occasionally
complain rather than wait for their brand of interesting thread (or
create their own).  Renaming won't change that, it will only make it
so that you have to search further before you find your threads.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde)
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:25 GMT

Jim-Guy@cup.portal.com (James Lawrence Blastic) writes:


>George...agreed wider range vs. superior range is not detectable 
>by my "old" ears..but I'm suprised no-one mentioned the
> several nasty things about vinly recordings that one
>*CAN* hear -- like their willingness to develop scratches, attract dust,
>and warp.  Not to mention the hardware's capacity for unfaithful
>reproduction on many systems.

CD's can scratch... if you try hard enough... :)

Just turn it up to 11, and stand back.  Trust me.  Running through a
couple of hundred Kilowatts of power will allow you to hear the difference
between records and cd's.  For a second or two :)
(just watch out for neighbors with shotguns)

Besides, CD's make such nice xmas tree ornaments.  Much nicer than 45's.

Harder
	Faster
		Louder!!

Hippie Jim

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Austin, Texas people?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:35:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec14.233533.23026
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Would like to correspond with gays/lesbians/glbo positive people 
from Austin, Texas.....

I have lived there before and am trying to get back....
I don't need any help getting there or getting set up just want
to talk about what is going on in town.....

Thanks

Bil Snodgrass III
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Hi Honey, I'm home (GKTT85)
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.191256.21251@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.220834.1@acad.drake.edu> jf0002@acad.drake.edu writes:
>>
>>I'm home, I'm alive.  There is a GOD after all.  This is Keith formerly
>>from Mankato, MN, now DM, IA.  <--have fun  :)
>
>>Second note:  Where is everyone?  Brian of Toronto, The Cohens of New England,

>                                   BJ of TO is lurking.  He tends to post the
>                                   odd scream or two when people forget that
>                                   there ever was a con in Toronto.

I'll deal with you later.  B{)

Brian
-- 

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jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Outed by the 'phone company?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:41:20 GMT

In article <memo.809852@cix.compulink.co.uk>
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>
>How do help and advice lines provide confidentiality for their
>callers in countries where 'phone bills itemise the numbers
>called?

This is standard practice for non-local calls here in California.  I
don't know how long it's been so, but I've never recieved a phone bill
that didn't have itemized numbers for non-local calls.  But I've never
seen a phone bill with itemized local calls.  They may or may not
exist.

--scoT


-- 
 ______  | Scot N. Gibson  | "At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- |
 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Recently visited Dachau...
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.150105.19512@pony.Ingres.COM> jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles) writes:

>The only mention of homosexuals was a reproduction of the SS chart
>detailing the emblem each prisoner wore, such as yellow for jews, pink
>triangles for homosexuals. No mention was made of the identification
>attached to a displayed uniform: the pink triangle.

I'm misunderstanding something about this account.  I don't doubt it
-- I'm sure that there's just something I'm taking for granted.  Did
they mention the pink triangle or not?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.001215.20139@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <18103@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> >> How, exactly, should men in the Castro modify their behavior to
> >> make the women who feel invisible or devalued feel somehow visible 
> >> and valuable?
> >
> >what was Malcolm X's answer to the foo-foo colleg girl who asked what she
> >could do to help him in his struggle?
 
> Speaking generally:
> 
> Malcolm saying this to a white woman of privilege is not symmetric with
> a bunch of Castro clones claiming that it's not their problem if the
> Castro St. environment isn't welcoming to women.  Libertarians insist
> on being able to turn the tables and claim that if one action is wrong,
> the other is also, but that presumes the very "balance" in social
> relations that the disenfranchised are claiming doesn't exist in the
> first place.  This is exacerbated by Republican droids chiming in their
> assent who are generally fairly insensitive to any problem other than
> the rate of return on their investments.

You have completely missed my point.


The answer to my question was *nothing*

Your dissertation is interesting but thats just not what I was getting at.

Malcolms answer to her *expanded and explained* was that there was
nothing that *she* could do to help *him* deal with his struggle.
This is not the same as there is nothing she could do to help *herself*
deal with his struggle.

An individual or group which is oppressed must deal with the struggle
directly, and someone else doing the struggling for you is not *help*.

Of course their are collateral actions and assistance that can be given,
thats another topic.

pardon me for being obtuse, ok.


LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Need A Date for a HS reunion (New Jersey)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:38:41 GMT

In article <1h097kINNr7l@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM>  
tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
} So, does anyone in the east-coast area want to go as my 
} "partner"?  You'd have to put up with a lot of strange looks, 
} at least one Public Display of Affection, and you have to 
} promise to smile if I say something like,
} 
} "Hi Frank!  Glad to see you after all those years.  By the 
} way, remember all the times you called me `faggot'?  Well, 
} you're smarter than you look!"  (and then walk away)

*throws his hand up in the air!*

I'll go!!!  Then they'll really talk!

Donald
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Mother Speaks
Date: 10 Dec 92 22:35:02 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1g3n79INNlf7@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.190559.6707@urbana.mcd.mot.com>, dhammers@pacific.urbana.mcd.mot.com (David Hammerslag) writes:
>>
>> Is pronouncing homosexual behavoir contrary to Christian faith an act
>> that threatens the lives of children?
>
>If it lends tacit support to Gay basking, then of course it threatens
>lives.                           ^^^^^^^

Just use sun screen lotion and you'll be fine.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Gilly                                 Oracle Corporation
dgilly@us.oracle.com                         Redwood Shores, CA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: H.I.M. Catalog
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:10:58 GMT

fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:

>2ftrlegend@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>|>
>|>OK, a serious (well, kinda serious) question I have about the H.I.M.
>|>catalog and some of the stuff in there.
>|>
>|>Anyway, my question is, what use would someone have for a piece of
>|>clothing like the "Sling Shot" (on page 31)?  Is there anyone out
>|>there that can think of an occasion or an outing when such a piece
>|>of clothing would be appropriate or handy?

It'd be good for hiding in the sporting goods department...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Kiss me, I'm an aphrodisiac!

		...and may all your Yuletides be trite.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Big Brothers in Fredericton, NB
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:29:06 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <Bz2DoG.Cvw@ecf.toronto.edu> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
>Last week, the Big Brothers organisation in Fredericton, New Brunswick
>reversed an anti-gay stand:  they  were refusing applications from gay
>men, and  turned down  an application from Andrew Greene to become a
>Big Brother.  Greene complained to the New Brunswick Human Rights  
>Commission, and (before the HRC ruled) BigBrothers Fredericton reversed
>themselves and announced that they would accept gay men as BBs.
>[...]

I recall a year or two ago a chapter of Big Brothers somewhere asked
a bunch of parents if homosexual orientation would be an issue with 
them.  Something like 50% of them said "no".  While this is hardly
ideal I was shocked that so many of them didn't have a problem with
it.  The times are a changin'.
-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bike militancy (was Re: Parking)
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:58:32 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.171846.29892@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) wrote:

> Yeah, I agree, but in the midst of all that bike militancy, don't
> forget that you must obey traffic rules.  We have zillions of bikers
> on campus, and they are always making left turns in front of my moving
> car, and running right through stop signs.  It's definite heart attack
> material.  I mean of course they own the road, but so do the cars, and
> bike militancy is not worth getting tread marks on your face for,
> IMHO.

I had the delightful experience of bagging some ass-a-holic-pudless-
fuck-on-a-bike at a Stanford intersection.  *I* stopped at the
four-way stop.  *I* proceeded into the intersection.  *He* did
*not* stop at the four-way stop.  He did not make it to the other 
side of the intersection...

*I* thought that was just grand (another dent on my old Volvo
hardly shows...).

The cyclists at Stanford are worse than the worst stories I have
heard about New York drivers.  Not *only* are cars beneath their
notice - but so too are pedestrians.  I *hate* walking around
the Stanford campus.  To do so at night is pure foolishness.
And the advent of Roller Blades only makes it worse.

*X*
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:03:31 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Dec20.185658.28267@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>
>Are you seriously trying to equate a couple of kids playing "Doctor" with
>the effect on a child of being fucked by a thirty year old?

No, but you were.  Go back and reread your posting.  If you're going to
make graniose statements about the horrors of kids doing the nasty thing,
at least be precise.  

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: A Better Year Ahead
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 10:41:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.012823.16079@flood.com> tom@flood.com
(Tom Chatt) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>|
>|  [ suggestions about how to work on improving the newsgroup ]

>|    Notwithstanding that we can always
>|    profit from talking about what is or isn't appropriate
>|    here, it seems to me that at a minimum we can agree that
>|    who and what we are is not an appropriate debate.

>I do disagree that "who
>and what we are" is an inappropriate topic here.

>Where else but within the (somewhat) safe confines our own
>home newsgroup can *we* discuss "who and what we are" --
>vital issues about our identity, our self-understanding,
>and the meaning of our community.

I put is too clumsily.  I didn't me we couldn't talk about
that ever-fascinating subject, ourselves; rather that those
whose purpose is to attack us or to try to put us on the
defensive about our ways of being are out of line.

-- 
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