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From: kkawado@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Kevin Y. Kawado)
Subject: Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: kkawado@ics.uci.edu (Kevin Y. Kawado)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:06:04 GMT

In article <19920819190336IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> IZZYKL6@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
>I've always wondered if Morrissey would have become this popular if
>it wasn't for his Smiths background.  It just seems to me a lot of
>listeners got into Morrissey because of his very popular solo songs,
>but then purchased Smiths albums and became attached to Morrissey
>because of those songs.

Actually, the Smiths became REAL popular in the US when "Louder Than
Bombs" was released.  Until then, they had a major cult following, but
that's about it.  They were always fairly popular in the UK.  I think
most of the fans really became attached to Morrissey with the Smiths,
and it has carried on to his solo work, which I don't really consider
all that bad.  Morrissey was always in the public's eye, whether doing
interviews, or concerts, or whatever, Morrissey took the show.  (This
is the way Marr wanted it, or so he claims).  So when the Smiths broke
up, most of the fans gravitated towards Morrissey and his solo career.

>Anyways...it'll be interesting to see what happens to Smiths and
>Morrissey after the Smiths stuff is re-released and the Best Of
>editions come out.  I still think that the Smiths would have become
>a major MAJOR name if they only had a major label backing them up.  Now
>they have that...

Well, they did have a contract with EMI (or some other large label) but
due to difficulties getting out of their contracts with Rough Trade, they
couldn't change.  I think this came around 1986 or so.  However, by
this time, the Smiths were already in turmoil so nothing ever became of
it.  Morrissey's solo work immediately came out on a major label, so
obviously, he had a lot more publicity and financial backing.  I think
you're correct to assume that a major label would have generated much
more popularity for the group, but even if it did happen, it probably
wouldn't have stopped the break-up.

=K=
Kevin Kawado

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From: pazur@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (scott.m.pazur)
Subject: CD's For Sale ($8/ea or $7/5+)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:43:51 GMT

I have the following CD's for sale.  The cost is $8.00 each and 
includes shipping (good old USPS).  If you're interested in any,
send me email and I'll reply with those still available and my
address to send payment.  I do request money orders only to speed
things up a bit - I can ship as soon as I get it.  If you want 
five or more, it'll be only $7.00 each.    Scott Pazur

Aerosmith                       Pump
Beck, Jeff                      Flash
Big Audio Dynamite II           The Globe
Candyland                       Suck It And See
Cars                            Door To Door
Chills                          Submarine Bells
Connells                        One Simple Word
Cure                            Seventeen Seconds
Damn Yankees                    Damn Yankees
Dylans                          The Dylans
Electronic                      Electronic
Fleetwood Mac                   Tango In The Night
Goo Goo Dolls                   Hold Me Up
Head Candy                      Starcaster
Heyward, Nick                   I Love You Avenue
Hindu Love Gods                 Hindu Love Gods
Hitchcock, Robyn (& Egyptians)  Perspex Island
House Of Love                   A Spy In The House Of Love
House Of Love                   Creation (import)
James                           James
Jeffreys, Garland               Don't Call Me Buckwheat
Jesus And Mary Chain            Automatic
Lewis, Huey (& The News)        Small World
McLachlan, Sarah                Solace
Motley Crue                     Dr. Feelgood
Mould, Bob                      Black Sheets Of Rain
Ocean Blue                      Cerulean
Pop, Iggy                       Blah Blah Blah
Revenge                         One True Passion
Silencers                       Blues For Buddha
Spent Poets                     The Spent Poets
They Might Be Giants            Flood
They Might Be Giants            Lincoln
Toy Matinee                     Toy Matinee
Tribe                           Abort
Truth                           Weapons Of Love
Uncle Green                     Book Of Bad Thoughts
Voice Of The Beehive            Honey Lingers
Wire Train                      No Soul No Strain
From: killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: live version "the forest" (was cure thread)
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:27:37 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

Best cut of "A Forest" I ever heard was the one on the 1984 album _Concert_ (and
if you have the tape, _and_Curiosity).  I liked the arrangement for "Forest" on
the Orange videotape, but the one on Concert has a much better, more gothic feelto it.  The one on _Concert_ is a little muddier, but maybe that's because it's
a tape for me and not a Hi-Fi VHS tape.  I thought the mix of "A Forest" on 
_Mixed Up_ was neat too, but not as neat as the other two.  

Faith is definitely my favorite album - but Seventeen Seconds and Pornography
are close seconds.  After Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me is where I thought they 
went downhill.  I'd figure with the exception of "Friday I'm In Love" and the
song immediately after, Wish is a dog album.  But - if people like it as much
as the charts seem to say, it's their money.  I'm not buying it though.  The
most recent Cure album I'm likely to buy anytime in the future is Entreat, and
probably only because there were a few Disintegration songs I'd be very, very
interested in hearing live.


-- 
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From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:47:29 GMT

Mr. Q <bobc@FUTIQUE.SCS.unr.edu> writes:

>     My thesis: major labels are the antithesis of underground,
>cutting-edge, or alternative music. 

Why do these discussions always begin this way?  Why can't anyone 
here distinguish between MUSIC and the businesses which sell music?
They're not comparable.

My thesis: being so steeped in mass media, the most recent generation
of rock music fans cannot imagine music separated from the corporate
machinery which disseminates some select portion of it.  A secondary 
reason might be that many independent labels have actively promoted 
themselves in a way designed to identify their business with a particular 
lifestyle in the minds of young consumers.

> But why sign to a major and be an exception if you can be the rule on an
>"independent" label?  Majors promise more money and more exposure: are
>these what true artists are looking for?

Good question.  Why make a recording *at all*?  The only obvious
answers are to make money (either obscene piles of it or at least
enough to pay for your unheated garret) and to gain exposure for
your work.  And, sure, True Artists (tm) are looking for both.

What other reasons could there be?  Why would anyone make a recording
even for the most obscure label, or even self-produce a recording,
if not to share the work with a wider audience?

[lots of late-adolescent angst deleted]

>(by the way, according to CorrectGrammar, only 54% of U.S. adults will
>understand this message.  One needs to be at grade level 13.4 to make
>heads or tail out of what I'm saying.  I guess that means all the
>alternateens won't be getting my message, after all.)

Dont wirry about it, d00d.  I aksed my mom for help.

-- Clay
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Teenage Fanclub question
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:44:58 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <1992Aug20.234654.25165@u.washington.edu> mus@u.washington.edu writes:
>Ok, I have a question for all you Teenage Fanclub fans out there.  I like
>Bandwagonesque a lot, but how is A Catholic Education.  Worth getting?
>Anybody, Anybody.
>
>BTW I just bought the "What You Do To Me" cd single which has four other
>tracks and I hope they aren't the crap they did to get out of their record
>contract.  We'll see.
>
>Mustafa

    A Catholic Education is a bit looser and rawer.  If you like Dinosaur
  Jr., then get it.  Not as Big Star sounding.

     And speaking of which, the "crap" on the What You Do To Me single
  is probably my favorite material of all.
  Infact, my favorite TFC album happens to be The King.

                                                               K!z!K
From: codrus@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Ian McCloghrie)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: cure thread
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:17:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Aug18.073926.2670@news.iastate.edu> tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy) writes:

  best:  Boys Don't Cry  (what else?)

  worst:  Never Enough.

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From: mepstein@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Not On Our Customer File)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc
Subject: Pigface
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:37:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook



How many albums do they have and who sings their songs?
thanks
mepstein@ic.sunysb.edu
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From: kdlayon@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Kristofer D Layon)
Subject: U2 Love Town Tour tapes wanted
Summary: especially of the Dublin "break-up" concert
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:27:09 GMT

I am looking for someone who has any tapes of U2's Love Town Tour (Europe 1988-
1989).  I especially would like a tape of the tour finale in Dublin on
New Year's Eve (the infamous concert in which Bono had people thinking U2 had
been planning to break up immediately afterwards).  Please contact me if you
have such tapes!

Thank you!


Kristofer D. Layon                                   U2:  The Original
St. Olaf College                                     Alternative Band!
Northfield, MN 55057                                 -----------------     

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From: jcgoh@inline.Princeton.EDU (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Re: NEED SLINT LIVE AND WHERE ARE THEY NOW
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:11:04 GMT

Ditto.  If you have any rare Slint stuff, please give
me a buzz.  They are one of the best bands I've ever
heard.

- Justin
jcgoh@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: flamengo@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lourenco William Dantas)
Subject: Re: Siouxsie & the Banshee's?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:29:19 GMT

>
>No idea if they have a new album in the works.  Their first few albums were
>supposed to be re-issued on CD in the US yesterday, though I haven't gotten
>to a record store yet.
>
>-- 
>George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr


	I heard that they'll be coming out soon with a compilation album
	called "Twice Upon A Time" with their more recent singles (post-
	"Once Upon A Time").
From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Bad Religion - personnel
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:14:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <713837332snx@nexnix.demon.co.uk>
gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland) writes:

> Can anyone tell me if there any other Bad Religion albums apart from
> the following:
> 
> 	Suffer
> 	No Control
> 	Against the Grain
> 	Generator
> 	80-85
How Could Hell be Any Worse?

This is an early album, but I'm not sure how early.  Somewhere around
_Suffer_.

 - nathan
   posting information recieved from my girlfriend
   
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From: nwc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Einstuerzende Neubauten)
Subject: Re: what is SHONEN KNIFE
Keywords: SHONEN KNIFE
Reply-To: nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Beaver Consulting Co.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:13:36 GMT

Imagine, if you will... The Go-Go's singing in a Japanese accent...

			...The Bangles meeting Godzilla...

			...The Waitresses in the Ginza
-- 
N.W. Choe
nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
nwchoe@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Beaver Consulting Co. Chicago
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: simondun@ecr.mu.oz.au (Simon DUNSTALL)
Subject: Re: cure thread
Summary: screwed up
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:20:14 GMT

In article <9223115.27314@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, simondun@ecr.mu.oz.au (Simon DUNSTALL) writes:
> Okay,
> 
He writes that because he's working in unix, he hates it, and it keeps 
stuffing him around, and so the file that was supposed to go on the end
didn't...

Best: Play For Today, How Beautiful You Are
      One Hundred Years, "all of disintegration"

Worst: Trust, A Thousand Hours, Dressing Up
       "half of wish"

So there.
anyway, this thread'd be better in babble really 
(the mailing list)
it's at : babble@ecst.csuchico.edu

seeyas.

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From: saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dean H Saxe)
Subject: Re: TMBG Tee-shirts
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:39:14 GMT

I believe that if you write to the following address of the TMBG Info center
you get a catalog of all sorts of neat TMBG items.  But I have not yet tried
to write there myself as of this posting . . .

TMBG Information
PO Box 110553-U
Williamsburg Station
Brooklyn, NY 11211-0003

___________________________________________________________________
| "Who am I trying to impress?   |          Dean H. Saxe          |
|  Who could care less?"         |   saxe_dh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu   | 
| 		     --Ministry  |   saxe_dh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu   |
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From: gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland)
Subject: Songs that mention T-Rex 
Distribution: world
Organization: nexnix
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:40:33 +0000



Did you ever get the video from Zodiac Mindwarp (Sleazegrinder)?
Apart from the excellent skit about the yank preacher, and a guest
appearance from jesus christ, it has footage from 'The Video Box'
by 'Terry Rash'.  The 'Video Box' is a viewers comment program here
in the UK, and Terry Rash was the guy complaining about the Zodiac
Timewarp [sic] video 'Back Seat Education'.  Old Terry was grumbling about
the winning of an oriental woman in a card game and having to explain to
his young children what back seat education was.  I remember seeing this
guy on TV complaining before I had even heard the song, and lo and behold
I see him again when Sleazegrinder was released.  I was impressed.
I bet Terry wasn't.

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From: festeve@sdrc.COM (Steve Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Soul Asylum -> where are they ??
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:31:55 GMT
Organization: SDRC, Cincinnati
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Help, I'm a Soul Asylum addict and I can't get up !!!  I have listened to 
"And the Horse they Rode in On" so many times that I can see right through
it.  Anyway, I read quit a while back that they were in the studio, but I
haven't heard anything since.  Anyone out there know the rest of the story?

Steve Saunders
(.sig under construction, probably a Sebadoh quote) 

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From: skmurphy@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sean K. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Tour Singles / Bye for now
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:19:42 GMT


Three's Company for sale?  Right.  It's a great single and only 1000
were made.  They've been gone for a long time.  Pier Platters in Hoboken
has a copy up on the wall and wants $15 or $20 for it.  But it might
just be worth it.  There's also a My Dad Is Dead / Prisonshake single
from their tour last fall which is supposed to be pretty good.  But
there's almost no hope of getting Three's Company, unless you're willing
to part with some cash or good singles.  But, for well over a year now,
Var Thelin, the creator of No Idea 'zine, has been promising to repress
Three's Company.  It was supposed to appear in issue #9, but #9 had no
single.  Var said it would then be in #10, but nobody knows when that's
gonna happen either.  Simple Machines isn't really interested in
repressing it themselves, and the same is true of Meat and Merge, the
other existing labels which co-released it.  Leopard Gecko, the 4th
label involved, folded a little while back when John Atkins got too busy
with Seaweed to keep up putting things out.  I'm sad that he never did
Magic Ribbons Volume 2, 'cause it looked like it would have been better
than the original, which was great.

Sean Murphy
skmurphy@phoenix.princeton.edu

I'm ugly, I'm hungry, I'm only one loser,
I fought it, I fight it, I fear I, I might like it.
					- Tsunami, "Stupid Like A Fox"

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: fricketts@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Telephone number: Warner Canada wanted
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:43:48 GMT

I was wondering if someone could tel me the telephone number for Warner
in Canada.  Thanx in advance....

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From: admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Samuel Castro)
Subject: Re: TMBG Tee-shirts
Originator: admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: admiralq@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:15:44 GMT


> 
> well guys, you might try just going to one of their concerts - that's
> pretty easy.
> 
> - Lou

I've been waiting for them to come to Wisconsin or within a tristate area for some time, because I would drive 7 hours to see them.  But, I havent heard of anything yet....So, it's not _that_ easy...

Sam
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: conroym@news.colorado.edu (Matthew Conroy)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:49:29 GMT





...several thoughts on this subject from me...

1. Someone said that a 'true artist' wouldn't even record an album,
they'd simply sing in the bathtub or something...well, this seems
to miss the point that there is much artistry in RECORDING, not just
in playing an instrument or singing, i.e. one's art may BE the 
RECORDING, rather than just the song...

2. Someone said that distribution is necessary for independent labels, and
hence the need for major distribution companies...well, what about mail 
order? i know some labels sell there stuff this way (RRR, Dischord, SST)...

3. For me (and this is something i haven't seen here, hope i didn't miss
it), the BAD thing about major labels is that they are, or are owned (i'm
not sure what the difference is) by HUGE CORPORATIONS, which have the sole
reasone for existence of making PROFIT...PROFIT is something i am   
specifically against, and hence i do not wish to increase theirs'...
so, in this argument, it is not that the major label music is bad music, per
se, but simply that the purchasing (and therefore the encouragement to
purchase) is bad...

...HOWEVER, i purchase virtually all of my recorded music USED, and
in purchasing a USED major label product, one is certainly benefiting the
label far less than if it were purchased new...

4. I wonder about this: "complete artistic control"...what does this phrase
really mean? Suppose an up-and-coming so-called alternative band of the
say Nirvana style gets signed to, say, Warner Bros., who tell them they 
have that C.A.C., and spell it out in multi-page contracts...can they then
make an album with a great deal of, oh 'offensive' language? or have
censorable artwork on the cover? or even change there style of music
radically, and, say, release an album of cut-up tapes of airport sound 
effects? i just find it hard to believe that a label would support a band
in any endeavor they might choose...

5. Some people have attacked the validity of the statement 'major label
music is bad' using the argument that they could not see why simply being
on the major label would make it bad, etc.  I think that for me, and i
have made the above statement many times, the reason is either for #3
above, or from a simple empirical analysis: of the vast amount of major 
label music that i have been exposed to, i have enjoyed/seen value in a
miniscule portion, certainly a much smaller than the fraction of independent
label music i've heard...thus, the statement is a generalization based on 
large quantities of data, just as i say 'large corporations are bad'...

any thoughts on these thoughts would go well...

matt
 
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From: kang@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joseph S Kang)
Subject: Re: Teenage Fanclub question
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:34:47 GMT

I much prefer Catholic Education over Bandwagonesque.  Bandwagonesque was way
too '70s for me and the vocals on Catholic Education are cooler.

-- 
Joseph Kang      |  Disclaimer:  Whether you believe it or not, the views
kang@stolaf.edu  |               expressed in the above article are all mine.
                 |  		 Unless I've been brain-washed and don't know
St. Olaf College |    		 it or don't notice the difference. :-)
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From: james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James)
Subject: Feelies info ===>> Read it!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:01:06 GMT

No, the Feelies aren't back together.  However, I just heard yesterday
about a new band called Luna or Luna(2).  It's got Stan Demeski of the
Feelies,a former member of the Chills, and a former member of
Galaxie 500.  I don't remember the other two names.

The guy at my local record store told me about this.  He received a
notice from Enigma, I think.  Anyway, the new album should be out this
month.

Anybody have any more Feelies news?


			        TEDDIE JAMES
			   Intergraph Corporation
			       Huntsville, AL
			        205-730-8065
			 james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com
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