HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Subject: Re: Deaths among orienteers
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:15:13 GMT


>The connection between TWAR bacteria and the sudden deaths of the seven
>young athletes is yet unclear. TWAR bacterie is originated from Taiwan
>and it caused an epidemic five years ago. All practitioners of orienteering
>are advised to go to medical checkup. The TWAR is suspected to be
>the cause of these deaths, because the antidote of TWAR (I'm not sure if
>this is the correct term) was found in the blood of one of the victims.
>A doctor was interviewed in the Finnish TV and he said that there is
>no evidence for the deaths being caused by an illegal doping substance.
>
>As a former active practitioner of orienteering I don't intend to take any
>action whatsoever.
>
>Janne Kivel{
>
>      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
>                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
>
Dagbladet writes today that the TWAR bacteria is a very common
bacteria by the name of Chlamydia pneumonia, a bacteria infecting
about 50% of population. There are subcolonies of it, some more
viril than others. It is stated that it is the combination of the
most infectious/viril ones and hard training/excercise that might
be dangerous. Most people infected has it like a cold. They
suggest that you keep your bed when ill and don't train to much.
Antibiotics has been ordered to the Norwegian orientation team
who has trained with Mr. Merker, newspaper says.

Alf Christophersen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Tchudes in Pathfinder
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:29:06 GMT

Svein-Ivar Lillehaug (sveini@mack.uit.no) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov2.215747.22115@ugle.unit.no> bjornmu@idt.unit.no (Bj|rn P. Munch) writes:
: >In article <NIEDER.92Nov2162929@dompap.iesd.auc.dk>, nieder@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Niedermann) writes:
: >
: >|> There was a gang of murderers in the film called 'Tchudes' or something like
: >|>  that. What does this mean?
: >
: >It's just the name of a people, I beleive.  I'm not sure how real they
: >are (in a historic sense) - the film in based on an old Sami legend.
: >
: >|> Does it mean murderers? Or something else entirely (like Swedes :-) )
: >
: >They might well have come from Sweden, for all I know.  :-)
: 
: The Tchudes came from the northern parts of Russia.
: 
: //Svein-Ivar

Who are the Tchudes? They are Fenno-Ugric people from North -West of Russia.
 The russians called Baltic area Finno-Ugrians by the name of Tchudes.
For instance: vatians, vepsians,lyydians and estonians.
In old russians chronics the ancestors of lyydians were called tshudes,
but also other tribes like the vepsians. The lyydians call themselves
lyydi, which is in old russian cudi,cudin, which means strange
 or unknown people.
Tshudes.

The lyydians live in Karelia and are today c. 10 000 persons on such
villages and towns like Kuuj{rvi, Kukoinniemi,Joensuu,Peltonen,Pr{{s{
and Pyh{j{rvi. The Finnish researcher consider lyydians being a separate
people,tribe. The russians researcher consider them being one of three
carelian groups, the other are aunus and viena.

Historically the lyydians lived on the area from Kontupohja to Aunus.
Today in smaller area. Many old historical places of Karelia are related
with the lyydians (tchudes) like Kizi Island is old holy place of the
lyydians. The towns of Petroskoi and Kontupohja are on old lyydian areas.
Today there are efforts made with the help of the Finns to sace old lyydian
culture and language.

This very much cut material is from a Cultural Magazine Karjalan Rahvas,
9-10, 1992, an article written by Niko Pahomov,
 a lyydian resercher graduated from the University of Petroskoi making now his licensiate work at the University of Helsinki.
Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti

Ps. If someone is interested more in Fenno-Ugrian heritage he/she should
notice following. 10.-15.8.1995, yes 1995 there will be in Jyv{skyl{
the Eigth Internatinal Congres for Fenno-Ugric Studies.

The topics will be:
a. Linguistics
b. Ethnology and Folklore
c. Literature
d. Archeology and Anthropology

Welcome,
jarmo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Divorce rate = f (profession)
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:40:21 GMT

Yesterday (Tuesday Nov 10), Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter published a 
breakdown of Swedish divorce statistics into various professions. The 
results found was that the highest divorce rates were found among

	Authors
	Psychologists

And the lowest among

	Reindeer owners (*)
	Farmers
	Priests

(*) this is a polite way of saying "traditional same"

I can't say I'm very surprised. Perhaps you could have expected 
researchers to be in the "high-rate" group, but perhaps many researchers 
never have time to marry in the first place... :-)

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
From: walver@kielo.uta.fi (Ville V. Walveranta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: What's wrong with Finnish? (WAS: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa)
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:40:10 GMT
	<WALVER.92Nov12071717@kielo.uta.fi> <BxLnv7.K8q@news.chalmers.se>
Reply-To: walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland
In-reply-to: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se's message of 12 Nov 92 10:59:31 GMT


) Why not? I've seen number of threads here in soc.culture.nordic
) in Swedish about Swedish matters

d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes in soc.culture.nordic:

> Complain to the author of most of them then: J*rmo Ryyti

        ???

        Most of what? I think it's all right to have the message threads
        in Swedish in soc.culture.nordic, but so should it be all right
        to have the threads in Finnish as well. After all, although
        Finland does not belong to Scandinavia, it does belong to
        'nordic' :)

        -- Willy
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From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: About AAland
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:58:54
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
	<1dg9o1INN2e8@tik.vtt.fi> <ksand-071192161931@wintermute.apple.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: ksand@apple.com's message of Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:18:52 GMT

In article <ksand-071192161931@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
   As for the movement, yes
   it's still alive on Aaland, if they had a chance they would like to join
   Sweden. And I'm sure Finland would not mind about this, right?

I'm not so sure.  After all, now Aaland is a special area in Finland
with its own legislation etc, but in Sweden it wouldn't be special.  I
don't think Sweden would accept Aaland keeping its own laws with
respect to land ownership, etc, or else other parts of Sweden would
want similar pivileges.  Swedish tourists wouldn't any longer be able
to use the ferries to Aaland for drinking cheap alcohol, they would
go to Finland or Estonia.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:00:46 GMT
	<hberg.196@polisci.umn.edu>
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <hberg.196@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
 writes:

   >Look Jarmo, If you're going to feel sorry for yourself, at least you could 
   >spell finnj{vel correctly!

  "Dj{vel" is a perfectly acceptable spelling, so your comment is quite
unjustified.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Svenska spraket
Date: 4 Nov 92 07:40:19 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <1992Oct28.080739.14191@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Varf|r Tyskland och tyskar men Finland och finlandare?
>Kunde nagon froklara denna skilaktigheten?

  D{rf|r att ordet 'finne' har en dubbelbetydelse som du kan fr}ga
J|rn Donner om.

>Jarmo

-bertil-
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"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Assimilation of the Finns in Northern-Sweden
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.151607.3908@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

    >Jarmo Ryyti
    >En Finndj{vel

  Min b{ste Jarmo, det har kanske undg}tt dig, men det finns mycket
annat i livet som {r roligare {n att bedriva besynnerlig
fanatikerpropaganda. Till}t mig rekommendera n}gra glas |l och en
finsk tango. F|r m}nga av oss {r visserligen M.A.Numminen o|vertr{ffad
som uttolkare av den finska (och europeiska!) visskatten, men en
ordentligt framskr}lad {kta finsk vemodstango {r f|r oss alla en k{lla
till lisa och vederkvickelse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:01:21 GMT

ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>En annan sak {r vad skall h{nda n{r eller om  Finland blir ett medlem
>i Europeiska Gemenskapen. EG troligen skall inte acceptera ett historisk
>relik som ]land som s}dan {r, med sina lagar som direkt diskriminerar
>andra {n svensktalande.

If I remember right it's very difficult to become a permanent resident
in the Channel Islands as well. I don't think the status of Aaland is
threatened in any way, because it's confirmed by an international treaty.

Besides, if the Aalanders themselves like the situation the way it is now,
I see no reason to change it. 

Janne Kivela"

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
From: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se (Odd Bolin, Royal Inst of Tech, Stockholm, Sweden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:10:44 GMT
Reply-To: bolin@plafys.plasma.kth.se
Organization: Plasma Physics, KTH, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Nov6.145325.25727@cs.cornell.edu>, elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>CNN Headline News(*) here in the U.S. had a story this morining
>concerning linking the CIA to the Palme murder.
>
>What's the scoop in Sweden on this?
>
This story popped up here in Sweden almost right after the assassination in
'86. Some people here, in particular some politicians and a number of media
guys, tend to exaggerate Sweden's influence in world politics quite a bit. They
like to think that just because our prime minister happened to have opinions a
bit to the left of the rest of the Western world, that made him a prime target
for the big imperialistic monster on the other side of the Atlantic...
Fortunately, most people here are pragmatic enough to realize that Western
countries in general don't use their secret services to assassinate each other's
leaders, so the story has only got sporadic coverage in the media.

Odd Bolin


Odd Bolin
Department of Plasma Physics, Alfven Laboratory
Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Ph: +46 - 8 - 790 7701	Fax: +46 - 8 - 245431
Internet: bolin@plasma.kth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<BxJqrr.xK@news.chalmers.se> <1992Nov11.144457.16246@ugle.unit.no>
	<nkjrm.20@taxus.uib.no>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:29:55 GMT

In article <nkjrm.20@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:

   >It is a vegetable called "kaalrot" in the Scandinavian languages.

  Swede = rutabaga ("rotabagge") = "the Swedish or yellow
turnip, Brassica Napobrassica".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kissa@cortex.sai.vtt.fi     (Kimmo Saarinen)
Subject: Are you incapable ... (provocative)
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland (VTT/SAI)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:41:25 GMT

Yes, because some of you (not all) are totally incapable to
boil down the real issues I point you out in these very first
lines that this article is purposely provocative, kind of test
and I look forward the possible reactions to it.

So, back to the real issue :

Are you totally incapable to distinguish the real questions/issues 
behind one's words in his/hers articles ? Do you even try to 
understand his/hers sayings ?

To be explicit : do you think first before you react, or do you
just react ?

This Jarmo's case is an example.
Even though Jarmo don't put his words nicely, raves quite much, he
still have some points there behind his words. If you try to get
them out. So eventhough Jarmo discredits his sayings with too much
raving, it doesn't give you freedom to rave yourself (and discredit
your own output) _if_you_really_are_as_civilized_as_you_want_to_show_out.

Real test of your level of civilization.

I can't say that I'm perfect in this kind of behaviour, I'm just human,
but I try. These previous postings referring Jarmo as Mutlu was from
the most discusting ones I have ever seen here when thinking of
respectfullness and tactfullness towards a person. Usually these
characteristics are associated to the Nordic high idea of correct
behaviour and civilization, am I right ?

To be expilicit : If you expect some respect towards you and your
ideas you should show some respect yourself. Otherwise you are not
better than your opponent what comes to the behaviour.

I'm sick of many attitudes shown up here lately.

Wille Walveranta put nicely out the real questions, those same
questions that can be boiled down also from the Jarmo's articles
too. If you can't conversate about them, don't react. 

	k@	(kcat)
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Kimmo Saarinen                         ! e-mail  kissa@cortex.sai.vtt.FI
Technical Research Centre of Finland   ! ... here ... and there ...
Medical Engineering Laboratory         !       ... usually nowhere ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Assimilation of the Finns in Northern-Sweden
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:19:51 GMT

In article <lfvtcaINNpsl@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM
 (Staffan Liljegren [CONTRACTOR]) writes:

  >Aldrig i livet ! Inte nr man kan njuta av kta, sensuell, tango
  >i frn Rio de la Plata ! 

  Bah! Pah! Vad har den argentiska tangon att komma med i j{mf|relse
med den fr}n de susande skogarna?
From: kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Soon it's Christmas (Was: Finns and Swedes......)
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:14:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology


 
MARKO J writes:

>>I guess this tidal wave of bullshit and bashing in this newsgroup started 
>>when someone posted a letter complaining about the treatment of ethnic Finns 
>>in the autonomous province of Aland.

Torkel Franzen writes:

>  Not at all. It started, as usual, with "Why do Swedes call me
>'Finl(ndare'?"



OH COME ON YOU GUYS!!!!!


Don't start this arguing all over now again!

Put it like this instead:

In a couple of weeks there will bi Christmas. Wouldnt it be nice, just for
a while at least, to share Christmas traditions with eachother instead of
fighting.
Let me try with this one:

In Sweden we all drink something called GLUGG. It's very sweet wine, remade
from old wine that SYSTEMBOLAGET don't find any use for and can't get ridd
of in any other way. We drink it hot with raisins and shopped nuts. After a
couple of glases your stomage feels very turbulent and you have to spend
some hours on the lavatory.

Do you have any similar experiences in Finland?

Come on, lets coop!!!!!


Kjell the Brave
From: staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM (Staffan Liljegren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Lennart's technical document imaging presentation at UNIX EXPO
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:15:58 GMT
Reply-To: staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: chivas

Interesting piece of nordic culture. Is it based on some kind of "runstensteknik" ?

Flame ON:

If I want to read about or buy document imaging systems I can think of many
suitable newsgroups on Usenet or other sources of information, but 
soc.culture.nordic IS NOT ONE OF THEM ! SO DON'T POST THIS KIND
OF MARKETING RELATED STUFF HERE !

Flame OFF.

Otherwise I think we could start a thread on the origins of the name 'Lennart' and feed 
it back to You :-)

/Staffan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:49:11 GMT

In article <HPV.92Nov12091858@kelvin.uio.no> hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne) writes:


>In article <1992Nov11.195448.27905@kth.se> d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl) writes:

>>   In article <1992Nov11.094515.5422@ericsson.se>, etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB) writes:
>>   |> The affair was solved by NF (1921?) by letting Aalnd be a ...
>                                ^^
>>          about NF and didn't want to ewreck the NF at the beginning. Thus
>                 ^^                               ^^

>I suppose you mean the United Nations - UN ?  What is "NF" supposed
>to be an abbrev for ?

>Klem,
>Hans Peter.

NF means Nationernas Foerbund in Swedish. The English name was League of
Nations and I think it was called Folkeforbundet in Norwegian. It was
a precursor of the United Nations.

Rolf Manne
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster)
Subject: CIA -- Palme allegations
Summary: CIA connected with Palme murder?
Keywords: CIA, Palme, murder, Sweden
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:53:25 GMT

CNN Headline News(*) here in the U.S. had a story this morining
concerning linking the CIA to the Palme murder.

What's the scoop in Sweden on this?

I know Olof wasn't too U.S.-friendly, but this sounds pretty strong!
(Especially since I can think of several other world leaders that
the U.S. would benefit more from terminating (Saddam, Mohammed, et al,
come to mind ...)

						Anne C. Elster
elster@cs.cornell.edu

(*) CNN Headline News is a U.S. cable TV channel that sends 1/2-hr TV news
    programs twice an hour that get continously updated. A lot of the
    footage is taken from CNN (surpirse!).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.094720.12301@ugle.unit.no>, jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>And just look at the title : Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is achieved by
>simply adding an "e" and an "f" in the original title "Min Kamp" !

Actually, the first translation of "Mein Kampf" into Swedish, just after 
it was published in Germany, has the title "Min Kamp". Later editions 
retain their German title "Mein Kampf", even if the content is in 
Swedish. And, NO, I have not read it.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!)
Subject: Re: Svenska spraket
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:18:59 GMT

hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>In article <BwxzzM.G97@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!) writes:

>>petrus@stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus) writes:

>>>   Which finnish racial characteristics do you think the swedes look down
>>>upon? Is it your pale skin, your blond hair or your blue eyes?


>>sorry to disturb you but i know very few finns who have blonde hair and blue 
>>eyes so try again. I usually only see blonde hair and blue eyes at home in the
>>states, or i sverige. 

>Good heavens, dear Queen!  What part of Finland did you visit?  Were you 
>blinded by the midnight sun or couldn't you see anything in the eternal 
>night?

>Browneyed Bob (not a REAL Finn)

M{ asun Tamperella... ja s{?
I live in Tampere and you? 

No i was no blinded by the midnight sun seeing as how i have also lived in 
Alaska, where the midnight sun occurs... i am quite used to it. Most of the 
finns i see have brown hair and brown eyes, the ones having blonde hair
and blue eyes being of swedish descent. 

And YES i do realize that i am posting from the STATES.... I attend school here,
please dont remind me.

Heippa
-Kimberli Roan-M{k{r{inen
From: hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:51:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

In article <1992Nov3.063945.23520@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>Regards,
>Jarmo Ryyti
>Finndj{vel

Look Jarmo, If you're going to feel sorry for yourself, at least you could 
spell finnj{vel correctly!

BTW, "finnj{vel" is a rikssvensk term; "finntupp" is finlandssvenska.  Let's 
insult eachother (and ourselves) properly!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic