HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:45:56 GMT

matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy) writes:
>An example of the typical UofL player.  Lack of discipline, which
>explains the reason why UofL always plays so poorly.  The last time
>they had real leadership was Darrell Griffith when they won the
>National Championship in '80.  A shame, cause I agree that UofL
>has gotten alot of talent, but they are losing the recruiting battle
>because Crum cannot for the life of him coach discipline.  That is
>a sad, but true fact.

	Actually, I also thought that the '86 team had quite a good group
	of senior leadership, with Billy Thompson, Jeff Hall, and Milt
	Wagner.  Along Herb Crook, they were an experienced crew that had
	gone thru it all, and along w/ then-frosh Pervis Ellison, they had
	enough juice to go all the way.

	Jazzy J
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|   " I try to discover a little something to make me sweeter..."   --Erasure |
|   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Should a woman coach a women's team?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:49:29 GMT

My mother and I have frequently had the discussion:
  
  Should a woman coach a women's team?

For the sake of argument, I usually take the position that a man can 
coach women (even though I don't truly believe it), while she takes the 
other side.

I thought I'd open the can of worms on the net in a vain hope for some
cogent discussion.

Arguments why men should (sometimes) coach women's teams:
  
  1. There just aren't enough qualified women coaches yet

  2. If you segregate women and men, then women will never get
     to coach men and therefore will be relegated to the low-profile
     and low-income of women's sports.  In other words, there won't
     be any Bernadette Lockes.
 
Arguments why only women should coach women:
  
  1. A woman can understand her players better

  2. It's the only way to get true equality (the AAP argument) in
     a system that is pervasive with "old-boyism".

I'm sure there are other (better) arguments for both sides.

So, answer these two questions (with explanations):
  
  A. If you were the AD of a school hiring a new HEAD coach for your
     women's team, would you consider men for the position (why, or why not?)
  
  B. What about assistant coaches?

  C. Would you consider women for coaching the men's team (head or assistant)?
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - MAAC
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:16:39 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Surprising anyone got a ranked player but!!!

Hassan Addullah           6-7  PF  Hazleton, PA                  Niagara
Shannon Bowman(#143)      6-4  PF  Braintree, MA                 Fairfield
Ryan Collins              6-10 C/F St. Clair Shores, MI          Canisius
Newton Gayle              6-6  PF  Mount Vernon, NY              Niagara
Jeff Muszynski            6-4  2G  Buffalo, NY                   Siena
Brenadn O'Brien           6-7  WF  Troy, NY                      Manhattan
Tarik Thacker             6-1  PG  Bronx, NY                     Manhattan
Andy Thies                6-6  WF  Sewell, NJ                    Siena
Chris Watson              6-6  PF  White Plains, NY              Niagara


--

Michael von Foerster           Internet: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
DG/UX Core Development         UUCP:     {world}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!foerster
Data General Corporation
62 T.W. Alexander Drive
RTP, NC. 27709                 Phone:    919-248-6327
From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rainbow Classic, Dec. 27-30
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:19:33 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke) writes:

>Kansas has landed in the easier bracket, although it would have been
>tougher had Georgia Tech and UNLV stayed in the tournament.  I am not
>sure why they didn't make things a bit more interesting by realigning
>the brackets after they withdrew.  Kansas should make it to the final,
>but Hawaii at home could be an adventure, especially with only Scott
>and Pauley in the frontcourt.  People will likely predict a UNC-UM
>semifinal, but neither Nebraska nor SW Louisiana is likely to lay down
>and die.  I will even go on record as predicting that Michigan will
>lose to Nebraska in the first round.  (Of course, I was sure we would
>see a KU-Duke final last year, too.)  Does anyone know if this will be
>televised?  If the tournament promoters get their wish, the final
>should be a masterpiece.

About the only way this final wouldn't pan out is if KU found a way to
lose to a lesser team in the 2nd round...oops, never mind.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: How's UNCC Doing?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:50:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.202328.4876@hou.amoco.com> zgjm03@hou.amoco.com writes:
> What's a Tulane dude doing asking about UNCC? Aren't ya'll in the same conference?
>

 And WHAT IS WRONG with that, my friend?? what if the Tulane dude has a 
friend who went to UNCC or used to live in Charlotte??

Scott

esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Hurley
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:45:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.005233.19874@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> kbowers@esrc1.uucp  
(Ken Bowers) writes:

> Two reasons it's a good idea to learn how to shoot the three from
> farther away than 19'20"
> 
> 1) Setting up right behind the line means having to worry about
>    being on the line. This can throw off the rhythm of the shooter.
>    Also, their feet will occasionally be on the line.

Hurley hasn't really had this problem.  Other Duke players certainly
have, and it's led to missed shots, travels, etc.  

> I'll let Orin Day follow this post twice with detailed explanations
> of how well hhe's doing it.

I do this very well, thank you, though my shot is a little more
of a set shot than Hurley's.

Practicing my 3's,

Orin

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: chyang@metaphor.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:49:17 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@metaphor.engin.umich.edu


In article <4431@cvbnetPrime.COM>, csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong but...
> Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
> whose point guard has the game of his life,
> and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
> ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
> as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
> Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;
> If Michigan gets blown out of the water by
> Dean Smith's overrated group from NC, I could
> understand all the gripes, but not because of
> a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
> just a few breaks here or there.


	Sorry people if this sounds line a old broken record.  I promise
it will get better when the finals are over.

	Reading Detroit News (or Free Press?) recently, I read a column
concerning the attitude of the Michigan players.  A former Basketball 
Coach or someone authoritative in the game of college basketball watch 
a game with the column writer because he had never seen this team before.  
Five minutes into the game, the sports writer asked this guy, "Why do you think?".  And he replied, "They stink!"  

	The sports writer continuded that while other schools will love
to have talents like Michigan even with their on bad court attitudes, 
that U of Michigan rather have classy losers than classless winners or
something to that effect.

	
	So to answer in reply to your arguement that Michigan lost to 
a great team, Duke.  No question about it, Duke is a great team.  But 
about their attitude, will let just say that they were losing to 
Bowling Green(Correct me if I am wrong, but it was a MAC team), mid 
way thru the second half before coming back from behind to win.

- C. Y. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White)
Subject: Why no Syracuse Scores ?????????????????
Keywords: Jerks, Losers
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 15:52:57 EST

Why don't those idiots who run CNN/Headline News put the Syracuse scores
on Headline Sports ???
I'm sure it has something to do with our probation, but this is ludicrous!
If they aren't going to show the damn Syracuse-Tennessee score then I 
certainly don't want a Michigan-Bowling Green State U. Score!  and
I wan't both dammit.
I'd bet my 33cents that Van Earl Wright didn't have anything to do with
this decision!\
Brian
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:08:28 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
	<1992Dec14.180608.9163@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<Bz9JHJ.85s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1giq5jINNaua@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu
In-reply-to: sjc@cs.purdue.edu's message of 14 Dec 1992 15:17:55 -0500

}} In article <1giq5jINNaua@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
}} 
}} For San Francisco, you had Rice, Taylor, Rathman, The tOSU tight-end
}} who retired and I can't remember because football is too violent, etc.

Of course, I meant to say "who retired because football is too violent
and whose name I can't remember."

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
   Brake your bike before the wall, or you'll break your bike upon the wall!

             "Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
                          They have to take you in."
               			-- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Let me see if I've got this straight . . .
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:50:03 GMT


Michigan's players talk trash, and it is an example of their immaturity and
lack of discipline.

The entire Duke student body talks trash, and it is a demonstration of
their enthusiasm, cleverness, and wit.

Thanks for clearing that up.
____________________________
	Jim Oliver  
	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: cs225b28@eng-nxt14.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:54:41 GMT

> >There was a year when the Big Ten was awesome.  In 1988 weren't Purdue
> >and Illinois awesome, and Michigan and Indiana strong?  That was a  
tough
> >Big Ten!
> 
What about the Big Ten in 1989.  Both Michigan and Illinois made it to the
Final Four.  Illinois had a dream team with current NBA starters:
      Kendal Gill      Charlotte Hornets
      Nick Anderson    Orlando Magic
and 3 others on NBA rosters this year:
      Kenny Battle      Cut by Celtics I think
      Steve Bardo       Team? I know he is on a roster
      Marcus Liberty    Denver Nuggets

Michigan had future NBA players:
      Rumeal Robinson 
      Mills
      Name? For some reason his name alludes me but he is a starter for
      the Magic.
There may be more.

As I recall Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota were decent too.  I think 
Minnesota made the sweet sixteen.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov (Jim Frohnofer)
Subject: 1985 NCAA's (was Best Conference)
Keywords: 1985, Big East, Final Four
Organization: National Library of Medicine, Bethesda Md. USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:24:06 GMT

|> I (Jim Frohnofer) wrote:
|> 
|> >Pitt was middle of the pack, but I believe they went to the tourney.  I think
|> >BC was the solid fifth.  Had Michael Adams (Boston College) hit his buzzer 
|> >beater in the regional final, it would have been an all Big East final four.
|>
|> Mark Vincent responded:
|>
|> I don't quite follow this one . . . [stuff deleted] . . . the
|> Midwest Final, which had #1 seed Oklahoma (with Wayman Tisdale)
|> against #2 seed Memphis St. (Lee, Bedford, Turner, etc.).  Memphis State won.

Probably a case of Big East revisionist memory on my part.  I remember the game,
but now I am not certain of the round or the opponent.  Someone out there please,
1985 tournament who did BC lose to and what round?

Thanks.

Jim Frohnhofer
frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Chris Webber
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:37:55 GMT

daveyang@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (God'sservant) writes:

>Chris Webber's E-mail address: [...account name deleted...]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that posting account names of 
athletes in college is a bad idea?  I think these guys get enough pressure
already--we don't need to add to it by sending them unsolicited e-mail, etc.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: More Duke anti-woofing?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:31:13 GMT

markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

>Curtis said it before, and I'll restate it for you, Hurley is invincible and 
>will lead Duke to 3 (count 'em, 3) 35+ point victories over the grossly-
>overrated Tarheels.

Andrew, what makes you think the 'Heels are gonna get past the 8th place team
in Wednesday's game of the ACC tourney to get that 3rd shot at Duke?

!fooW !fooW
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: lobster@phy.duke.edu (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC TARHEELS--1992/93 NCAA BSKTBLL. CHAMPS
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:35:02 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <92355.203633MGN102@psuvm.psu.edu> MGN102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

Actually, I was hoping that this would be the year that the carriage
return and Caps Lock keys were discovered.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:20:14 GMT

In article <1gjf9oINNbm2@bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <1992Dec14.211453.90462@watson.ibm.com> zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis) writes:
>}} 
>}} Now the players do a lot of showboating
>}} but I am sure, once the season starts, they will focus to the
>}} principles they took them to the NCAA finals. The talent is there,
>}} and just by loosing a tough game, will make them a better team.
>	       ^^^^^^^
>
>Earth to Michigan:  The season started two weeks ago.
>
>There, now the wolvies shouldn't lose another game.
>
>sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
>   Brake your bike before the wall, or you'll break your bike upon the wall!
>
>  "If you loose your arrow, you're likely to lose it in the weeds,"
>          ^^^^^                              ^^^^
>		   was often heard in days of yore.

Chill a bit, Steve.  Not all of us have English as our native 
language.  Obviously, Zaphiris was referring to the Big 10 
season.  
---
Steve

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Beginning and ending dates for NCAA Men's Tourney?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:13:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.155258.14865@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
> Subject line says it all.  I would appreciate the effort on anyone's
> part for posting the dates (more or less, it doesn't have to be exact),
> more specifically, the Thu-Sun weekends of the Regionals.  I need to
> plan some stuff around the tourney.

First round: March 18 & 19 (Th, Fri)
Second round: March 20 & 21 (Sat, Sun)
Reg. Semis: March 25 & 26 (Th, Fri)
Reg. Finals: March 27 & 28 (Sat, Sun)
Final Four: April 3 & 5 (Sat, Mon)

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns and the Salary Cap
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:37:22 GMT
Reply-To: operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <42483@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)  
writes:
> In article <Bz4MAx.J96@techbook.com>,
> eriksa@techbook.com (Erik Anderson) writes:
> }koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
> }>I'd hold on to it for next year - remember they own Philly's #1 and that's
> }>likely to be a high lottery since they have the second worst record in the
> }>league currently.  Who else thinks that Jason Williams was worth the second
> }>pick in the next draft?  Philly has the worst front office in the league.
> }
> }I wish that was true, but it's inaccurate.  The Sixers will retain their
> }'93 pick if it's a lottery pick.  If it's not a lottery pick, then the
> }Suns will get it.  If the Suns don't get the pick this year, then they
> }will get the Sixers' '94 first round choice no matter where it is in the
> }draft.
> 
> Damn.  I knew it was too good to be true.  Even Philly couldn't be
> *that* dumb.
> 
> Well, '93 isn't supposed to be a very good draft anyway.  Maybe
> Phoenix will end up with a high draft pick in '94.
> 
> 
> BTW, I saw the Sixers-Clippers game on TV last night.  Hornacek was
> sensational (13-23 9-9 36, plus 7 rebounds and 4 assists), but
> really seems to be hating life in Philly.  Near the end of the game,
> when it became clear that Philly was going to lose, he started
> slamming the ball against the floor in a very Barkley-ish way.  I
> don't remember him ever doing that in Phoenix.
> 

Hey, if you were a super-star playing with the super-chumps down in Philli,  
would you get a little "Barkley-ish" as you played the game of your life only  
to lose.

I mean, I am only a lowly intramural player and I get ticked off when I carry  
my team for 40 minutes only to get doubled at the end, pass of and see my  
teammate miss the open jumper!!! :)

Losing SUCKS, BIG TIME!!! :)

> 
> Oh, and while I'm here, he's an interesting stat:  In last night's
> Phoenix-Orlando game, Orlando shot 51.9% to Phoenix's 46.0%.
> Orlando made 72.7% from the line; Phoenix 64.5%.  Orlando made more
> field goals (41) than Phoenix (40), and more free throws (24 vs. 20).
> 
> Phoenix won the game.
> 

Isn't life wonderful. :) :) :)

--------
Barry Trottier
e-mail:  operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laker and Pacific Division woofing
Keywords: Lakers, Pacific Division
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:15:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Dec13.040528.28375@muddcs.claremont.edu>, byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:
|> In article <42450@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kompella@cs.ucsd.edu (Vachaspathi Kompella) writes:
|> >
|> >	First of all, thanks to Doug Steele for posting the stat standings
|> >	for all us stat lovers.  But I'd suggest you look into your stat
|> >	collecting program.  You show that the 3pt %age leaders are petro
|> >	and jim les.  I heard Chick Hearn, Laker broadcaster, say that
|> >	Anthony Peeler was near the top in 3pt %ages.  So I checked the
|> >	team-by-team stats.  Peeler (with exactly 19 attempts) has a
|> >	3pt %age of 0.526.  That's no. 2.  Hey, with everyone belittling
|> >	the Lakers, we faithful have to keep a good watch.
|> 
|> yes, that is true, but Peeler has not made enough attempts to be rated. (is
|> he like 10 for 22 or something?)
|> 
|> similar to Dana Barros a few years ago, his FT% was something like 96 or 97% 
|> but he didn't play enough to get enough free throws to be ranked.
|> 

No, the day Doug Steele posted the entire stats on all the teams, he showed
Peeler with 19 attempts.  Doug only listed the players with at least 19
3 pt attempts.  There was even one player with exactly 19 attempts listed there,
but no Peeler.  Hey this isn't a big issue, so go back and look at the stats
before we start a long duel.

Ssssssssstttttt!!  Ooh those Lakers are hot!!!
I haven't looked at the paper today, so I don't know the standings, but
aren't the Lakers (nobodies they said) tied with the WORLD CHAMPION CHICAGO
BULLS (NOT!)

Let me say this.  The Lakers, when they went for their threepeat, looked
far better than the Bulls look this year.  I think the real strength of
that Laker team was team respect.  This Bulls team doesn't look that classy.
I am not talking about whether they are better than that Laker team, whether
they are better than today's Lakers.  I'm just talking about in-fighting,
team spirit, team pride, etc.  Of course, they may just be going through
a slump, so their record looks bad, but what with the squabbles, and such,
they don't compare in class to the Lakers.

-Vach

Watch them pound the Spurs, Mavericks and Suns this week!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: ali@fvtcmd07.austin.ibm.com (Saleem Mohammad Ali)
Subject: The Maverick surprise !
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:50:10 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin


Ooops, the Dallas beats LA Lakers 104-95

Go Mavericks !! 

I know this sounds ridiculous but the poor souls need
some support ...

They are at least capable of bringing some of the teams to 
their senses.

Last year it was Suns and Rockets (who lost the playoff berth due to Dallas)

and this year it is Hawks and Lakers (both of which beat the Bulls)


-Saleem M. Ali