HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob/Eddie Froman depending on th'moon)
Subject: Status of WORKING.NEW  (Was: Re: ISO Code, bold, italic ....)
Summary: ... now have 16 articles and counting!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:39:04 GMT

In article <=2l3dfg@rpi.edu> cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:

>It sounds hokey, but I usually end up using DOS 5.0's Edit program to edit
>the articles I edit, because it's a half-decent text editor, though it doesn't
>have line wrap.  I know, however, that I can deal with longer lines than
>80 chars very easily, no problem.  But what about other people?

Actually, Paul, that Edit thing often sticks TAB (icck! koff! gahg!) char's
(or, more accurately, it doesn't provide a way of stripping them out for you)
in stuff - I've since switched to using the Turbo Pascal text editor,
because it allows a ton of files open and on-screen at the same time, and
the block-n-copy stuff is more powerful, etc... and we can turn OFF the
tab characters!

>PS>  Just talked to Steve, and our WORKING.NEW file is up to about 11, and
>should have 14 Real Soon Now (RSN), and possibly 20 within a week (if he gets
>his confirmations back...)

***** We're now up to 16 in WORKING.NEW, the cumulative collection of
      cool copy; I'm awaiting confirmation of five more, and just received
      another new article today -- stuff's starting to happen; if all goes
      well, we could have our third article archive done in a few weeks!

This WORKING.NEW is available on the FTP vela.acs.oakland.edu in the
/pub/galactic-guide sub-directory.  BTW, these new articles will be posted
here when we get a chance (wow, it's actually *nice* being bombarded with
articles!).

PS> TG! for DOS 1.1 is *not* ready yet, for reasons stated above (too busy
editing the influx of articles (which I don't mind! :^> ), and TGW! is still
a long way from being ready...

Steve
swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu
"Gravity brings me down..."


Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave `geek' Gymer)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:25:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.101440.1@cc.uvcc.edu> brownea@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
>	Discussion is rampant about 'cross-platform programming'.  Are the
>Guide programs each coded seperately, or do they all fit a common base and
>derive differently depending on the machine intended to run on?  My impression
>is the first is more acurate than the second.

Correct.  That's probably why discussion is `rampant'.

>	Does anybody here have any familiarity with the FOLIO 'Views' product? 
>I've only seen it for DOS, but have heard rumors about NeXT picking up the file
>format for themselves.  It might be worth looking into...Any questions can
>E-mail (brownea@cc.uvcc.edu).  Views allows cross-referencing of anything with
>anything, and is supposed to be able to support graphic images (even
>full-motion video) with the upcoming release.  I've also heard rumors about it
>being an 'engine' instead of a product, so it might be (or become) portable
>across platforms.

I can't say I've heard of it, but it does sound interesting.  Is it a
commercial product or some sort of public file format (if it's the
former then it's out of my hands, so to speak).

-- Dave
-- 
`Grave' Dave Gymer |  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = #  | What a bloody stupid
42 St Mary's Park  |   q w e r t y u i o p [ ]   |         way to lay a
Louth, Lincs       |    a s d f g h j k l ; '    |        keyboard out!
LN11 0EF, England  |   \ z x c v b n m , . /     |
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: anonymous posts (was How Long?)
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:08:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.050402.1289@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
dips@aurora (Deeptendu Majumder) writes:
 
>Sometimes people post anon because their site does not carry
>this newsgroup...
              I'm not sure i understand this.  Does their newsreader
not allow them to post to a group because their site doesn't subscribe
to it?  Sounds odd.  Very odd.
 
euclid
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
From: euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (the philosophy coroner)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: soul, man
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:41:55 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.

In article <1jn4pnINN150@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
megazone@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:
 
>>YOUR WILL IS AS FREE AS YOUR SOUL.  Question is, do you have a soul???
>
>If you're using Xtian concepts... No.
>
     Actually, at the time i had the Aristotelian concept in mind.
 
  **gales of laughter**
 
euclid
   "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty,
and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life--so I became a scientist.
This is like becoming an archbishop so you can meet girls." --Matt Cartmill
 
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
From: cr468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephan Irle)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: How long??
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: cr468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stephan Irle)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


F. They took the advise of Wittgenstein for serious:
   "Whatever can be thought can be said clearly.
    One should not talk about things that can't be thought of."

(freely translated, maybe even wrong; but sometimes I think it's really
not possible to tell someone that there's really nothing that makes
sense; nothing that could make me cry or laugh -- just only *nothing*)
-- 
	Stephan Irle			|	Wu
	cr468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu	|		Wei
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Re: KALI ???
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:21:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.115330.1340@bradford.ac.uk> R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN) writes:
>
>Where the hell (pun intended) has Kali gone to ?
>I have been reading ASH for over a year now and know that Kali is a much
>loved member of this group..... so KALI WHERE ARE YOU ????
>
>
>KHARE xxxxx.
>
>
>-- 
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>||  Rich "KHARE" Dodgin      | Too many unknowns in your life ???    ||
>||  R.Dodgin@uk.ac.bradford  | Too many onions in mine.              ||
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Much loved..preening..sharpening claws..ah..music to my ears..you british
are so very "charming"  you make Kali's little heart flutter ..right..
(grinning evilly)..but I do have a thing for those british accents..which
I can't hear of course but I doooooo have a very very good imagination.

I answered an earlier post.  I've been being very decadent and lazy..
so very lazy..for I may have to leave these tropical isles come next
fall..sigh..but then..I do grow a bit bored here.                     

Seriously, glad to see you are around dear "KHARE" and thank you for the
kind words.  A very very sweet Kali kiss for you;-)


-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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From: nstarr@unix.amherst.edu ( )
Subject: Rotenone
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:01:05 GMT

Cecil Williams inquired about rotenone in his article 4676, asking whether the 
rotenone listed in the Methods File is the "same relatively safe stuff that is
commonly used in home gardens" and citing Websters claim of its "low toxicity".
The Random House Dictionary (2nd ed., unabridged) declares it to be "a white,
crystalline, water-insoluble, poisonous heterocyclic compound 
C-sub-23 H-sub-22 O-sub-6 ..." .  I cannot imagine two compounds sharing the 
same name but having dramatically different toxicities.  My Ortho Rotenone dust
can is replete with warnings, is 98% inert material, and 1% rotenone.  I recall
being told that it degrades rapidly in sunlight, but that it is highly toxic.
Ortho gives the phone number  415-233-3737  for physicians who need emergency
information, but my can is five or ten years old, so the number may no longer
be correct.  Unfortunately, there are probably agricultural workers who can
describe the experience of exposure to rotenone.  A serious effort to get 
information for the Methods File might involve inquiring at a quality
nursery or the agriculture department of a state university.  Obviously,
one has to choose the questions with care.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lynn@fusion.physics.auburn.edu (Owen Lynn)
Subject: Look on the bright side of death.
Keywords: I was apathetic, but then I stopped caring.
Organization: Who knows? Who cares? Does it really matter?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:42:28 GMT

Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh
And death's a joke, it's true.

You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh
Is on you.........

AAAAAAAnd always look on the
Bright side of death.
A just before you draw your
Terminal breath.


(Words of wisdom, folks. Heed them well.)
You gotta die sometime. When will it be?
From: satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: #$@!
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:24:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu






					?








-satan










































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* satan@wpi *Preacher or poet who was it wrote Give any one species too much 
*           *rope And they'll fuck it up.    - Roger Waters   
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: eln118w@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr YC Yap)
Subject: A coward's choice
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:13:47 GMT

In my opinion, whether suicide is an act of cowardice or courage depends
on the circumstances or reasons for such a decision. If a person kills
himself to escape facing up to his own actions and mistakes(eg: a man 
gambles away all his belongings and then shoots himself leaving all his
debts to his family), then I think he is a coward who deserves to be shot.
If a person kills himself for emotional (and usually unimportant) reasons,
(eg: girlfriend leaves for another man), then I think it is an act of plain
stupidity.

However, if a person commits suicide not out of personal or emotional
reasons, but for the good of his comrades/family/community/country or 
for preserving their honor, then I believe such a person is truly heroic
and noble. For example, a secret agent who takes his own life rather than risk
being captured and tortured by the enemy to extract top secret information.
Or a general who shoots himself rather than surrendering his army to the
enemy when the battle is lost and there is no retreat route - ie his army
is surrounded and collapse seems inevitable. Such an act of valor will be a
symbol for others and will spur his countrymen to fight harder. Surrender
would have the opposite effect.

In short, I believe that suicide is only an act of courage if it is decided
rationally and logically. Selflessness and self sacrifice for the good of
others are truly the virtues of a great and courageous person.

These are just my opinion. Please feel free to comment.

Alexander the First.

Mailing address : 10792759@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few....or the one."
- A quote from Star Trek II.


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Carbon Monoxide
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:20:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.083147.7719@scott.skidmore.edu> dfederma@scott.skidmore.edu (daniel federman) writes:
>I have a question about carbon monoxide: I noticed the gas at the
>local minimart is now oxidized, thus reducicing carbon monoxide
>emissions.  Does that mean that the old "tail pipe method,"
>supposedly such a peaceful way to go (and you die looking so damn
>healthy, I've heard!) is no longer a reliable option?  

Absolutely, and even without the oxidizer.  The fault is today's
cleaner-burning cars and catalytic converters.  See the January issue of
_Hemlock_Quarterly_ (page 11).
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                    brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"Compared to my life, the last man on a chain gang is thoroughly
enjoying himself."                   __Holiday__ by Philip Barry
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:58:29 GMT

Cute.  I don't know why the body of my last follow-up to this thread was
deleted.  To repeat:
  What i wanted to illustrate with the goats and squirrels is that creatures
find certain things worth fighting for.  When a scarcity (real or imagined)
is perceived, parties who want the same thing have to compete for it.  If
they want it badly enough, fighting is bound to occur.
The ability of you or i to reason that there's enough to go around in no way
guarantees everyone else draws the same conclusion.  
  Here's a question that's probably more along the line of what Matt was
asking in the first place:  Why is malice?  That is, what gives rise to
gratuitous nastiness?  

euclid
--
Euclid K.  standard disclaimers apply
YOUR WILL IS AS FREE AS YOUR SOUL.  Question is, do you have a soul???
"It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples"
                                     ----Charles Dickens
From: G.I.West@bradford.ac.uk (Graham West)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: KALI ???
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:07:02 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91670332@ccw301
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Yes, Kali, where are you?

Are you still living in the Obsidian Temple? Would be a shame to let it fall
to ruin - it was such a cool place...

Ho hum, just wondering

		Graham

-- 
Graham West, University Of Bradford, UK   ....   g.i.west@bradford.ac.uk
"Red, crimson red, am I the invisible boy?" W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
From: R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: KALI ???
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:53:30 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91760652@ccw315


Where the hell (pun intended) has Kali gone to ?
I have been reading ASH for over a year now and know that Kali is a much
loved member of this group..... so KALI WHERE ARE YOU ????


KHARE xxxxx.


-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
||  Rich "KHARE" Dodgin      | Too many unknowns in your life ???    ||
||  R.Dodgin@uk.ac.bradford  | Too many onions in mine.              ||
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From: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Dorothy Parker
Reply-To: st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:45:24 GMT

This is something Dorothy Parker wrote.

"Razors pain you;
 Rivers are damp;
 Acids stain you;
 And drugs cause cramp.
 Guns aren't lawful;
 Nooses give;
 Gas smells awful;
 You might as well live."
From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Suicide is painless?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:14:15 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
NNTP-Posting-Host: coal.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan28.013546.11533@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>RIght, now we've got the words, is it actually the theme tune?

Yep... Rent the original MOVIE M*A*S*H... They sing it...

Try singing it to the tune from the opening TV sequence... Same beat...


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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dips@aurora (Deeptendu Majumder)
Subject: Re: anonymous posts (was How Long?)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:12:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
X-Posted-From: cad.gatech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
: In article <1993Jan25.050402.1289@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
: dips@aurora (Deeptendu Majumder) writes:
:  
: >Sometimes people post anon because their site does not carry
: >this newsgroup...
:               I'm not sure i understand this.  Does their newsreader
: not allow them to post to a group because their site doesn't subscribe
: to it?  Sounds odd.  Very odd.

Well..people can read news from a remote host, but the host may not
allow the remote user to post. Posting previleges can be restricted
in all sorts of ways..So anon service is a good alternative under
such cases...

d.
From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Dorothy Parker quote
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:53:24 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

This was on alt.quotations - thought it might amuse you guys:

st923723@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>"Razors pain you;
> Rivers are damp;
> Acids stain you;
> And drugs cause cramp;
> Guns aren't lawful;
> Nooses give;
> Gas smells awful;
> You might as well live."
From: johnk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Kuszewski)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: where's Kali?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 03:09:43 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

I haven't been lurking for the last few months because I've been too happy.
Now that I'm lurking again, where's Kali?  It's so strange to read ash without
seeing her posts.  I hope she's okay.


-- 
John Kuszewski
johnk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
I'm not an idiot, but I play one on USENET
From: mtspace@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: POLITICLA ANIMAL
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:17:09 GMT
Organization: Wolfgang Rebellion
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

crimson@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Jesus Christ on XTC) writes:
>prove your existance. you have the rest of the so-called life. worth 10
>points.

To whom?

Matt.
---------
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* Matt Murphy          | "The world is collapsing outside and I've	      *
* mtspace@wpi.wpi.edu  |  	got an erection."- _Eversmile,_New_Jersey_    *
*                      |  "MTV - A total underestimation of people's 	      *
* {this space empty}   |		intelligence." - Thurston Moore       *
From: coultasp@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Coultas)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: How long??
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:27:06 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

I wonder if anybody has been keep track of how long people have been mailing to 
alt.suicide.holiday? Do people suddenly stop mailing, if so, what happens to them....

Pete.
(no intension of stopping).
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Re: masochism and death
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:37:34 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: wolffrnd@starburst.umd.edu (The Wolf Friend)

                       ... I don't fit into many of the "expected" categories
of society, and the difference in my attitude, goals and beliefs tends to
elicit either skepticism or outright criticism from those who cannot see
beyond the confines of the walls of their own beliefs.  On one level, I
realize that they simply don't understand, or are unwilling to accept anything
other than what they already know.  But on another level, the sense of
isolation and the feeling that so few people are able to understand or
identify with me combine to create a nagging fear that perhaps they are right
and *I* am wrong.  When that happens, it creates a terrible internal conflict
deep within myself, in which I'm no longer battling just against others but
most of all against *me*.  It is one of the primary reasons I've been through
so much pain as mentioned above.  What I believe in now means more to me than
life itself, since without it life would be meaningless anyway.


--------
Kathleen                                    Wolffriend@Kavishar.umd.edu


Don't ever assume what the world is like.  I am fairly sure that there are
many many people who see the way you do, the only problem is that you don't
know them.  That is one of the advantages of communicatons, like networks.

On a different topic?  Poe wrote in a famous essay that he believed all emotion
had Beauty(i believe he defined beauty something like that)  and the most
Beautiful of the emotionswas melancholy.  This was the effect he hoped his
writing would have on people.   It is an interesting concept, an "everything is
 beautiful" philosophy that is not "sunshiney"

I have thought about suicide, but I don't think I was serious about it because
I find most of the world a miracle and my only real complaint was my situation,
 which I knew I could change if I chose to( even dropping out of school is not
a big deal if it bothers you THAT much).  I am mostly here by choice, and I
believe there is a way to find pleasure in most situations(not sure howprobabl
e it is, but I know some people like it)

   -Mike B.
  whose program couldn't even hope to create a .sig
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dips@aurora (Deeptendu Majumder)
Subject: Music in my Brain
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:14:56 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
X-Posted-From: cad.gatech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


sometimes I hear pieces of music that seem to lift the pall
of darkness from my consciousness...but when the music ends
the lights fade away, the curtains lift..and the theatre of
the mind begins... as if we are all actors in somebody's dream
..wearing masks that do not come off...how hard I try...the
season never ends..the dreamer never wakes up...

Was listening to a nice cello piece tonight...
a CD that I borrowed from the libraray the other day..

d.
From: satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: ...
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:58:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu




give me life
give me pain 
give me myself again
give me life 
give me pain
give me myself again
give me life 
give me pain
give me myself again

				courtesy of Tori Amos


-- 
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* satan@wpi *Preacher or poet who was it wrote Give any one species too much 
*           *rope And they'll fuck it up.    - Roger Waters   
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