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From: abrams@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Buck Wheat Recipes Sought
Reply-To: abrams@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:14:30 GMT

Say Drew, I just had another buckwheat idea.  I used buckwheat in 
some bread that I made--I ground it into flour in the blender.  It
came out okay.  I also found this recipe for Buckwheat Pancakes
in _Laurel's Kitchen_

1 cup buckwheat flour
2 teaspoons baking powder
1 cup whole wheat pastry flour
1/2 teas. salt
1 tablespoon brown sugar
1 tablespoon oil
2 eggs, beaten
2 cups fresh milk 
grated orange peel, optional

Sift the buckwheat flour and stir the other dry ingredients in lightly
with a fork.  Add the oil, egg and milk and mix briefly.  (add orange
peel if you want) 

Cook the pancakes on a lightly oiled hot griddle.  (She warns that
they take longer to cook than regular pancakes.)  

I've never made this recipe but I thought about how much fun it was
to grind up the kasha into flour in the blender, so....

Also, I like to put a handful of kasha into vegetable soup, because
it makes the soup taste kind of darker and more stocky.  I am a big
kasha fan!  

Ruth Abrams
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm new.
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:56:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Sep2.115657.6444
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep2.144806.6930@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko) writes:
> 
> I've been a vegetarian for one year and have lately been somewhat
> distressed by meat cravings!  My vegetarianism evolved through saving
> money by living on tofu, eventually becoming revolted when in the
> meat department at the grocery store.  One day I ate meat, felt sick,
> and decided to make the switch official.  I'm 95% non-dairy, mainly
> for health reasons, and I've been known to eat fish, but I don't buy
> it.  So, I'm a little fuzzy when it comes to fitting into a category.
> 

Leslie, 

If you have a meat craving once in a while, you can use Textured
Vegetable Protein instead. There's a product called Heartline Meatless
Meats, which is dried chunks of TVP that can then be reconstituted 
and used in dishes such as stir-fries, etc. It is made from soybeans, 
but resembles meat, especially in texture. Also, the company ADM 
(Archer-Daniel Mitchells), makes a product called Harvest Burgers, 
which is also made from TVP. You can order them mail order, by calling
1-800-8-FLAVOR. They are planning to have them available in the 
frozen food sections soon. 

Either of these products can be marinated in BBQ sauce, for a result
similar to what you crave. For more recipies using TVP, see the 
cookbook "Home Cooking", by Linda McCartney (with help from Peter Cox, 
who has posted here lately). The book is written with the new 
vegetarian in mind, and thus does include dairy products (though soymilk
and soy cheese can be easily substituted). You can order the book 
through Vegetarian Times. 

I like TVP not so much because I crave meat, but because it makes an
easy meal. Also, living in the heart of soybean country, my response
to whether I support Iowa farming is, "I eat a lot of soybeans.". 

-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 03:38:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Steve Dyer says:
"Anyone who could claim to be "hurt" by one of my comments (which
are factual and not personalized), probably could use the services
of an additional group, perhaps alt.support.  But that's not my problem."

Apparently he feels free to pick and choose from the medical context
to make himself right, but fails totally to observe "Above all, do
no harm."

As for his contention that his comments are not personalized, I haven't
read such a blatant piece of rubbish since I stopped reading Mutlu's
posts.

David

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: carroll@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian foods with all necessary amino acids?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.212140.27675@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> cdonnell@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Chris E Donnell) writes:
>I am a new vegetarian and have a few questions for experienced vegetarians out 
>there in netland.  I read somewhere that a human needs all 8 essential amino 
>acids at each meal so that they can be synthesized into the body.  If this is 
>true, is there any vegetarian foods that contain these 8 amino acids?  

It's _not_ true. It's probably the single most common fallacy about
vegetarianism. So long as you eat a variety of different foods across
the space of a couple of days, you don't have to be worried about the
"balance" or "completeness" of the proteins that you eat.


>Do
>soybeans and chick peas contain the proper amino acids?  I realize that I 
>could always mix rice and legumes to get all of the needed amino acids but
>was wondering if there was just one food that had them all.
>

I'm fairly certain that soybeans do contain all of the proteins that
you need. But as I said above, it's not something that you need to
worry about, as long as you eat a variety of foods.


>Is there a recognized vegetarian 'bible'?  I am looking for a book on 
>vetarianism that has calorie, protein, and carbohydrate info on all
>vegetables  and fruits?  I would appreciate any info and even suggestions 
>to help me  continue my healthy but sometimes difficult vegetarian lifestyle.
>I am also looking for good mailorder vegetarian companies that sell 
>vegetarian burgers, soybean chese(preferably motzerella grated for pizzas), 
>and anything else that is healthy and tasty.  Thanks again.

Sorry, can't help. I've got a small collection of books, and between
them all, I've got a pretty solid idea of what I need to do to stay
healthy. But there's no one of them that's particularly crucial, and I
think that any collection of several different books on vegetarian
cooking and nutrition would be equally useful.

	<MC>

-- 
|| Mark Craig Carroll: <MC>     ||"We the people are getting tired of your lies
|| Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| We the people now believe that it's time
|| Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || We're demanding our rights to the answers
|| carroll@udel.edu             || We elect a precedent to state of mind"-Fish
From: dondd@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Don Dillon)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:06:03 GMT
Subject: Re: an idea
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg

>Anybody interested in considering splitting rec.food.veg into two
>groups, one for discussion about vegetarianism and the other for
>recipes and cooking tips?
>-- 
>----------
>Valerie Mates
>popcorn@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us



YES,YES, OH GOD YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!


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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: adrothst@athena.mit.edu (Andrew D Rothstein)
Subject: Pledge
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:50:52 GMT


I PLEDGE TO SIMPLY IGNORE *ATTEMPTS* AT INSULTS, REAL OR
         IMAGINED FROM NOW ON BY ANYONE.  


-- 
Andy Rothstein			"If you want to kiss the sky,
adrothst@athena.mit.edu		you'd better learn how to kneel" - U2

*****************************************************************
The views expressed herein are mine own and do not necessarily 
reflect the opinions and beliefs of MIT
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: vegan sources: B12, D3 and iron
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:31:47 GMT

In article <altar.715205396@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:

[...]

>My reference, which I listed [Hunt & Groff, 1990], states:
>     "Absorption rate of the vitamin decreases with increased
>     intake.  At low levels intake, the mean absorption is 70%,
>     while at very high levels of intake, the absorption rate
>     drops to 16%" [p. 210]

I'm reasonably certain Steve will pick this up, but I'm going to mention it
just in case: changes in absorption RATE are not equivalent to changes in
absorption ABILITY.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Subject: Salsa on Greek Salad
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:58:50 GMT

On Sunday at an Earth Festival in Halifax I stopped by a booth for lunch
and ordered their Greek salad in pita bread.  Very nice, but I was a bit
taken aback when the server put a heavy dose of salsa on top.  I think
he was pretty inexperienced (most of the dishes at that booth were items
like burritos which take salsa), but it turned out to be very tasty, and
the idea is worth passing on.

-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: an idea
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:04:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.231531.28277@athena.mit.edu> karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath) writes:

>My suggestion to separate out the eating-vegetarian aspects (food,
>restaurants, recipes) from the nutritional flame war that has been 
>going on ever since I started reading this group.  No one has suggested
>making rec.food.veg simply a recipe group.  
>
>You may think I should be interested in all of the nutritional aspects, 
>but I AM NOT, and apparently there are others that feel the same way.  
>I find that a lot of the flaming and nutrition talk is being done by militant 
>vegans, which I am not.  I am also not interested in the colon-clensing
>"health related" aspects of this group.  I wouldn't mind scaning through
>nutrition related topics occasionally, but I feel I am "wading" through
>this group every day.
>
>If you feel that the nutrition is necessary, how about having three groups:
>
>rec.food.veg.eating
>rec.food.veg.nutrition
>rec.food.veg.misc       (for all the other cows, calfs, sheep, and colons)

	After having watched a number of postings in this vein go by, I 
	cannot help but wonder why no one has suggested the use of rec.food.
	recipes, a newsgroup moderated by Mary Howard, who is apparently
	vegetarian, and a newsgroup which already exists with a format
	which allows easy screening of recipes for dietary preference...also
	a newsgroup which gets virtually no traffic.

	PLEASE NOTE, I'm not making any suggestions one way or the other; I
	was merely curious as to why such a suggestion had not been made...
	even by Ms. Howard.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Quitting milk, another reason (was: winning argument w/meat eater)
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:19:24 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

To add to the ethical reasons for not consuming milk:  there are
good health reasons too.

Chances are, if you drink milk and eat cheese, you do so as a way
of getting calcium.

This is the most incredibly self-defeating thing you can possibly do.

1)  The kind of calcium present in milk is apparently not in the 
best form for your body to absorb it anyway (I'm not clear on this,
someone please follow up to this and add more info:  is it something
to do with the lactose and the fact that 3/4's of the population
can't absorb lactose?  What the heck does lactose have to do with
calcium?!!).

2)  If you consume too much protein (i.e. more than the minimum
your body needs to remain healthy) your body starts leeching calcium
from your bones to process the protein.  You probably get all the
protein you need from all those beans, rice and veggies you eat 
each day (or tofu, tempeh etc if you go for that sort of thing --
though you'd better eat plenty of beans too simply for the fiber).
Drink milk too, and you start getting excess protein.  The more
milk you drink, the more calcium your body loses!

So:  try soymilk on your cereal in the morning.  It has less calcium,
true -- but your body probably absorbs more of it, so in practice
it comes out to around the same, if not better, than milk in terms 
of the calcium your body absorbs.  And it doesn't have quite as
much protein.

If you stay away from meat, deep fried stuff, heavy oils, heavy use
of butter (even vegan butter), eggs, and cheeses, and you don't eat
a lot of fatty candies, cookies etc, then you may be getting so
little fat you may actually *want* to have 1% or 2% soymilk
(not the nonfat soymilk which seems pretty much impossible to find
anyway) to make up for it:  you do need, as I unerstand, to maintain
a diet in which about 10% of your calories come from fat, esp.
unsaturated fat, so your body can absorb vitamins more efficiently.
So if you've been procrasinating making the switch because you can't
find nonfat soymilk -- fear no longer!

(keep in mind, tofu and tempeh get a lot of their calories from fat)

			--The Red Trek
                          (aka Andrea)
From: dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Public Statement.
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:20:35 GMT
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


In my last post, I write:

>They [Rich Young and Steve Dyer] seem to remind me of the Republican
Party in this country >(this is an election year in America, and the
Republicans are the >party of the rich and greedy special interests.)  

This is NOT to imply that Rich Young and Steve Dyer represent any
special interests or that they are "greedy."  I apologize for making
this side remark.  It was only used to identify the Republican Party,
not Young or Dyer.

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tiff@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tiffany Frazier)
Subject: Re: what give's? (was: There used to be someone called Michael Traub)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:13:10 GMT

Abhay Bulsari VT (abulsari@abo.fi) wrote:
: I got this in the mail this morning. I have not corrected
: any mistakes I have noticed in it (e.g. Michael is vegan, not
							    ^^^
: just vegetarian).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why is this necessary?  If one is fixated with labels one can simply state
"Michael is vegan." - adding the ",not just vegetarian" can only be
meant to denegrate vegetarians.  (An odd thing for this group I
might add.)

I truly can not believe what has been going on in this newsgroup.

From what I can garner we have vegetarians/vegans/people/whatever
refusing to post for fear? of being flamed/insulted/having their
egos bruised (pick most appropriate one, I truly don't know which);
some people advocating a maintaining and posting a list where
everyone is appropriately labelled (too bad we can't make people
sew armbands on their clothes); some people advocating censorship/
expulsion of those who don't fit it/don't belong (the ones with
armbands in case you didn't know); some people demanding public
apologies for sideways glances (and worse, I concede); and so
on, and so on.

Everyone has a right to say just about whatever they want in just
about whatever way they want to... and that seems (to me) to be
entirely appropriate.   If this is not desireable then one should
do a call to moderate this newsgroup (however one does that, I
don't know) and see what happens.

Some of the things I've been reading are making me wonder if there
aren't a surprising number of intolerant, childish, cliquish, and
close-minded people on this group.  What gives?  I'd prefer to imagine
that this is not the case and would suggest simply setting an example
via one's postings rather than participating in this seemingly ridiculous
and unending escalation of words.

As an example - if "you" (whoever) think that Dyer is misinformed/
being a jerk/whatever then how about a rational post pointing out
the misinformation... By directing the subject towards the real _content_
of the posts then maybe we all could learn something from some healthy
arguing!!

Well - I feel better now, anyway.

-tiff

--
tiff@cs.ucla.edu
!{rutgers, ucbvax}!ucla-cs!tiff
From: rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: an idea
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:46:15 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug25.110045.4412@bb1t.monsanto.com>, tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
> In article <BtJJJK.KvB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese) writes:
>> In article <BtIt46.IHv@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us> popcorn@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Valerie Mates) writes:
>>>Anybody interested in considering splitting rec.food.veg into two
>>>groups, one for discussion about vegetarianism and the other for
>>>recipes and cooking tips?
>>>-- 
>>>----------
>>>Valerie Mates
>>>popcorn@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us
>>>
>> Sounds good!
> 
> Really...  and can we ban discussion of colon cleansing?  ;-)
> 
> Ted.
> 
I agree, it's really a pain in the .....

And let's cut out the maggot skined sheep stuff too, I'm trying to eat lunch.

Rick Hoffman.



> 
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (David Jordan)
Subject: Meatless vs No meat products
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:47:15 GMT

Ted,  I'd like to see responses to this too.  Personally, I specify in
some detail, No meat, fowl, fish, dairy, or eggs.  I inquire about
particular dishes, e,g, rice - was it cooked in butter or other animal
based fat or broth.  This can result in very few choices in some 
restuarants.  I try to Phone in advance.  Places I eat regularly, have
adequate choices.  If I'm traveling to a conference where I will be 
someplace for several days, I send an outline of my food preference to
the organizer.

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:10:18 GMT

In article <altar.714818472@sfu.ca> altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

[...]

>>I think this comment of yours (which you repeat over and over and over)
>>is simply out of line.  There has been no name calling of vegetarians
>>here.  Period. 
>
>Remarkable!  You just called me a "prick" in your previous posting to 
>this one.  That prettly well belies what you are here trying to
>claim.  Period.

	I believe he meant vegetarians _as_a_class_, not necessarily as
	individuals.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
From: hillyer@rrc.chevron.com (Martin J. Hillyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Restaurant in Marin
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: hillyer@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 180skfINNpmf@agate.berkeley.edu, gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen) writes:
>Like the subject says, I'm looking for vegetarian restaurants
>in Marin county.  Specifically, near Point Reyes or Olema.
>Any suggestions appreciated.   Thanks.
>
>--
>***********************************************************************
>* George T. Chen       * This isn't right.  This isn't even wrong. WP *
>* gtchen@speech.sri.com * I Ski, Therefore I Am - shirtprint Whistler *
>***********************************************************************

Perhaps not too close to Point Reyes or Olema, but Milly`s on Fourth St in San Rafael is pretty good.  

Martin


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: masonp@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Peter Mason)
Subject: manure
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:59:33 GMT

	The other night I got home exhausted to discover my roommate in 
the midst of a heated argument with his non-vegetarian brother.  I decided
to sit and listen.  My roommate had all the standard vegetarian arsenal and
his brother was tending to argue some pretty outrageous points (in my opinion).

Most of his points I could refute (based on facts that nobody disputes)  but 
in the interest of fairness I thought I would seek some info on a couple
of things he mentioned.

First, he would not listen to any resource/impact based argument since here
in Canada we produce enough beef for our own needs without importing from other
countries.  I don't care what country meat comes from, it is still an 
incredibly inefficient source of food.  So when presented with this (and the
many related points in this vein), he said that in order to grow sufficient
food for our needs, we require _manure_ for fertilzer, and for this we need
animals, and if we have the animals anyway, we might as well eat them rather
than "letting them go to waste by dying a natural death."

note:  this was obviosly not an animal rights argument as my roommates' brother
       stated at the beginning that was more of a moral choice.  I disagree
       with his choice, but not his point.

Anyway, this was a new one to me.  I did mention that we wouldn't NEED all this
damn food if we weren't feeding it to the livestock, but he was clinging to his
claim.  As well, surely the manure from dairy farms and chickens used for 
producing eggs would be sufficient for fertilizer if, in fact, all this fertilizer
is needed.

Any comments?  Is this argument as ludicrous as I think, or is this a valid
point.  I want to be sure all my arguments are based on fact.


And on the subject of the lists and categories lately, put me under ovo-lacto
vegetarians who think that Micheal, ted, Steve, and Rich all make good and 
helpful points at times, and who thinks anyone who believes that meat-eating
isn't all that harmful should go live in the third world for awhile.

peace,


Peter

PS  Coming soon, after a few more experiments: a great lentil soup recipe that
    I've finally got to my liking.

-- 
Peter Mason
masonp@nukie.physics.mcmaster.ca
Hamilton, Ontario (ack! pfffthpt!), Canada
-displaced Nova Scotian
From: jvanderw@darwin.helios.nd.edu (jeff vanderwilt)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Summer Squash Recipes for freezing?
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:11:41 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Does anyone have any good summer squash recipes?

I'm looking especially for some soup recipes, perhaps, which
could be frozen and used later in the year.

I have about a half-bushel or more of summer squash which I don't
want to lose.  (I live by myself and so can't consume it all at once.)