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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rules check
Keywords: nn
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:48:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: spss.1992Nov18.204836.10460
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.212833.29885@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>>>With all of the rules changes recently, can someone quote me the rule
>>>for the advancement of a fumble?
>>>
>>>I am curious to know if Mississippi State could have legally advanced
>>>the fumble recovery on the punt.  An advance which they in turn fumbled.
>>>If they cannot advance the fumble, then it should have been State ball
>>>at the point of the recovery.  I have not heard anyone saying that it
>>>should be State ball, but I am still curious as to the rule.
>>>
>>>cmuck
>>
>>There's something in the pro rules about muffed kickoffs, but I don't know
>>about college stuff for certain. I don't think there's anything in the
>>rules that prohibits the returning team from advancing a recovery of their
>>own fumble on a punt return.
>>
>>--
>> David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
>
>The reason that I asked was because it is illegal for the "offense" to
>advance a fumble once it is beyond the line of scrimmage.  The punter
>and the punting team are considered defensive.  I believe that this is 
>the first year that the defense can advance a fumble if the play is
>beyond the line of scrimmage.
>
>Besides, the fumble was not a muff...
>
>thanx though
>cmuck

Right, the fumble was not a muff. I picked up a copy of the official NCAA
1992 football book yesterday. They don't have all the rules in it, only
the rule changes. A couple of years ago they allowed the defense to advance
a fumble behind or beyond (I forget which) the line of scrimmage on a play
from scrimmage. This year, they added the ability to advance a fumble on
either side of the line of scrimmage for the defense. Neither of these I
think is directly applicable here, because rules are different for kicking
plays. There have apparently been no rules changes about advancing of
fumbles on kicking plays, or at least the book doesn't list any. As far 
as I know, anyone can advance a ball recovered in the field of play at
any time on a kicking play. Does anyone have the actual full rules?

--
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 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Subject: Re: Question: Alabama-Kentucky 1988
Reply-To: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:52:27 GMT

In article <z-v15#d@rpi.edu> kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri) writes:
> I have a question for anyone who remembers the '88 Alabama-Kentucky game
>In that game Alabama was down by a whole bunch of points with about
>10 minutes to go in the game. Alabama then scored 28 (?) points in the
>last 10 minutes to win the game. My question is about the fake field goal
>that won the game for Bama. Who was the ball holder who threw (or ran)
>for a touchdown on the fake field goal attempt. I remember at that time he
>was the most talked about person in Tuscaloosa atleast for the week
>following the game. I think he was recruited as a QB but did not quite live
>up to earlier expectations and it was his last season at Bama. It was a
>great story at that time and I cannot recall his name. Anyone out there
>know who I am talking about? Guy? Jim? Jeff?......
>Ramana
>Roll Tide!

It might damaged some guys egos to admit that their wife knows more
about football than they do ... but anyway I called my wife. She
couldn't remember exactly who it was but she did remember:
 1)It was a pass
 2)The starting QB was Jeff Dunn. 
 3)The backup QB was Gary Hollingsworth. He was the probable holder.
 4)Bama won the game 31-27. 
 5)This was about the time Bama had a highly touted QB named Billy Ray.
   He left and went to some ACC school.

Roll Tide!
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 4 YARDS AWAY FROM SYRACUSE UPSET.. MIAMI, 16-10..
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:50:27 GMT
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> >In article <1992Nov22.084853.19779@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:
> >
> >Miami played the games close because
> >
> >1) They were playing very good football teams (FSU, Syracuse, Penn State)
> >2) All these were on the road! (exception being Arizona who were playing 
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >great football until last week)
> >
> >I bet if they play TCU and other pasties A&M and Alabama and FSU plays, they
> >will win big.

  Miami did play TCU this year, at Fort Worth.  Miami won 45-10.  A&M also
beat TCU this weekend (on a *very* Kyle Field) 37-10.  Just FYI.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:36:34 GMT
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In <1992Nov23.172400.16415@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu writes:

> In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
> >Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
> >best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
> >ago).  And Miami has the best college football team in world history.  There
> >is only one question left to be decided: which college has the best looking
> >cheerleaders?
> 
> It is certainly *NOT*  Texas A&M!!!!!!

  Well, you've got us there.  But we do have the Diamond Darlings and the 30-
Loves!  Woof.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
From: gunner1+@pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal)
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:12:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <steph.722070134@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>In <1992Nov18.035208.24658@netcom.com> alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>
>[...]
>
>Your ratings may be impartial, but they may be incorrect.  Air Force doesn't
>have a great team, but neither does Iowa.  I don't think Air Force is *much*
>worse than the Hawkeyes.  I also doubt Iowa would muster a .500 record against
>NC, BC, Texas, WSU, SDSU, and Hawaii.  Though they wouldn't lose them all,
>either.
>

So, what's your point ? Chris said basically the same thing;
that Iowa was probably not much better or much worse than these
other teams, and if several of them were going bowling then
the Hawkeyes going to a bowl shouldn't be such a "travesty".
As it stands, it looks like Iowa will go to either the
Copper or the Holiday bowl, as long as they beat the Gophers
in their last game, which is certainly not something I'd
take for granted...

At any rate, football wise, this year has been a major league bummer for the
Big 10 -- hey, basketball season is just around the corner, so
things *have* to get better !

>Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic
>

--jr--

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From: ejohnson@turinghelios.nd.edu (eric johnson)
Subject: Re: Down to Business (OU/NU)
Reply-To: ejohnson@turinghelios.nd.edu (eric johnson)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:29:05 GMT

In article <Bxz0nH.347@utdallas.edu>, dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
|>  
|> I betting it will be, too.  OU is a frustrated team right now.  Wed. 
|> practice was canceled in place of a team meeting where players could
|> vent their frustrations.  Apparently some players are upset Steve Collins
|> didn't get a chance to play against OSU.  It was not a team walkout, though.
|> It's been a long season for the Sooners.
|> 
|> >>>Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
|> 
|>     OOOO      
|>    O    O     =================================== |     Bill Dostalik
|>    O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            | dostalik@utdallas.edu
|>    O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |    Dept. of Physics    
|>     OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Okla. @ Dallas    
|>       U    U  =================================== | 
|>        UUUU                                       |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
|> 

There is still something special about the NU-OU matchup. They always provide
amazing highlights. I can still remember the "Game(s) of the Century", Oklahoma's
Hook-n-Ladder, Nebraska's Fumblerooskie, like they happened yesterday. I was at the
game last year in Lincoln and it was exciting to the end. There was some heavy-duty
hittin' going on. I expect this year will be no different. Both teams have something
to prove so there will be extra incentive on both sides. 

BTW does anyone have the overall series record?? How about in the last 20 years. 
(I'd go back ten years but OU won so many comeback games in the 80's it hurts too 
much to remember them).

Watching NU/OU with a leftover turkey sandwich....life doesn't get much better!!

Eric
GO HUSKERS!!!! BEAT SOONERS!!!!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:03:16 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3

In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason
Fawcett) writes:

>AP
>
>1. Miami
>2. Alabama
>3. FSU
>4. Texas A&M
>
>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>
>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU >and
>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The >most
>POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the

At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule didn't rear it's
head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of the top five
atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a PAC-10 fan,
just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better schedule than
A&M. What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3 spot???? 
Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of Alabama
and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not played
anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest opponent
was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and has
rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by
Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  Arizona's schedule has been
tougher than Alabama's and TAMU's crap schedules combined!

Will
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.083126.1690@cs.hut.fi> killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>In <1992Nov16.231316.17607@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>
>>judgement of intent by the officials.  This year, a Colorado player was
>>penalized after he pointed at a teammate!  Personally, I find the
>
>That is specifically prohibited by the rules, so no judgement there...

My understanding is that the rule in question prohibits taunting, which
I believe requires the officials to judge the intent of a player's
actions.  To take this case as an example: how is a simple act of
recognition of a _teammate_ (who had made a block on the play)
equivalent to taunting an _opponent_?  It was no different than a
high-five or a celebratory hug, but the official interpreted it as an
unsportsmanlike act.  Argh.
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NCSU: COUNTDOWN TO ORANGE BOWL, THRASHES WAKE 42-24!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:51:31 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00523-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu





  This has been a stellar day for all Wolfpack fans. After leading in the
 game 35-0 at one point, Sheridan was nice, and put in our 2nd stringers...
 Thsi means that an Orange Bowl bid is very possible with these factors:

 1. Miami beats Syracuse.. (done 16-10)
 2. Alabama loses to Auburn or Florida
 

 Then:

 Miami vs. Florida State, Sugar Bowl
 Texas A&M vs. Alabama, Cotton Bowl
 Washington vs. Michigan, Rose Bowl
 Nebraska vs. N.C. State, Orange Bowl
 Syracuse vs. Georgia, Gator Bowl
 Ohio State vs. Florida, Citrus Bowl
 Colorado vs. Penn State, Blockbuster Bowl

 A great possibility!! :)
-- 
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If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso's coaching career
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:56:15 GMT

In article <BxBC9r.Cw2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>     I hate to sound ignorant here, but has Lee Corso ever coached a college 
>>team, and if so, what team and when?
>	He coached at Louisville, geez, in the late 1960s, then was at
>	Indiana from I think 1971 through 1982.  He had a few teams
>	that were decent, and went to and won the 1979 Holiday Bowl over
>	Marc Wilson and BYU (a late punt return for a TD in a high-scoring
>	game).  His overall record was awful, though...  The best part
>	about having Corso at IU, besides the losses, was his TV show with
>	Chet Coppock.  He *was* funny...

   Yes, you almost didn't mind losing.  Try to picture Chuck Barris
(of the Gong Show) doing a college coach TV show, and you'll have some
idea what Corso's show was like.

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Miami - Syracuse
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:51:54 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov22.190149.23116@mlb.semi.harris.com> jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>
>>....... If Graves did not got trashed at the end
>>of the 4th quarter (and if the Orangemen used the clock wisely), well, luck
>>will not keep Miami from losing..
>
>Yes and if Syracuse had not been playing Miami, Graves would not have been hit
>hard enough to be groggy or have been sacked twice in the final seconds or had
>his reciever hit and dropped on the last play. In fact, if they had not been 
>playing Miami, I believe they would have won the game!
>
>J.P.

Pal, may be you should tell the people how you could win a game without playing
it.  What a pro-Miami jerk.


- Louis
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:41:32 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Nov17142033@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>
>   This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>   Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>   first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.
>
>   Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>   the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>   tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>   Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>   25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>   Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?
>
>   If Penn State has any integrity at all, they will reject the offer to play
>   in the Lackluster Bowl and let a team that is deserving go.
>   I think playing a 3-7 Pittsburgh team at home is reward enough for this
>   year's team.  Let that be their bowl game.
>
>Are bowls a reward for having a winning record, or for being a solid team?
>If the former, then you can't hold the weaker parts of their schedule against
>them, since thats what helps get wins.  If the latter, then a reasonable
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>conclusion from your post is that ND and Miami probably don't belong in a
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>bowl either, since both of them could easily have lost to PSU.  But if your
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>just getting a few jabs in for the flack ND caught last year, never mind.
>Your probably entitled, though I thought Bettis brought the point home pretty
>strongly.
>
>Bill
>--
>-------------------------------
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>	billms@eecs.umich.edu


Non-sequitur penalty.  15 yards and loss of down.  :-)



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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: Great Big 8 QBs
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:57:46 GMT
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In article <1992Nov19.143251.8737@sparky.imd.sterling.com> marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
> [ stuff deleted ]
>   Thomas Lott - OU alum - NFL???
>                           Holds an elected office in Okla, Preacher

I did not check my facts before posting.  I apologize.  Thomas Lott is not an
office holder in Oklahoma, nor is he a preacher.   J.C. Watts, as Bill Dostalik
(dostalik@utdallas.edu) pointed out, is a political office holder in Oklahoma
and a Preacher.  J.C. Watts was also, IMHO, another of the Big 8 Greats, and
should be included in this list.  Again my apologies for this error.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:12:54 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
>Notre Dame didn't belong in a bowl game.  If you are a Penn State fan
>first, my condolences, second, this posting is not for you.
>
>Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>25 teams, and they are going to a bowl game.  In short, PSU stinks.
>Oh, did I mention the criminal indictments?

Hmm... picking them to win this week, they will be 7-4, pretty good record.
There only losses came by 3 points to the undisputed #1 team in the nation
Miami, by 3 points to the #17 Boston College, AT BYU, and by 1 point,
on a last second 2 point conversion AT Notre Dame, who is #7/#6 in the
nation.  That is 3 losses to teams ranked in the top 20, by a total of 7
points.  Not too fucking bad....

Oh, by the way... Remember to get your facts straight.  Penn State is 
currently ranked #23 in both the AP and CNN/USA polls...
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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:07:03 GMT
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steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>What about the "Sooner Schooner" incident, when Washington thumped Oklahoma
>on New Years Day in 1985?
Wasn't the actual penalty for having twelve "men" on the field?  Although that
penalty didn't really affect the outcome of the game, it was very entertaining.

Even though the "excessive celebration" penalty didn't exist back then, the
idea is the same.  If anyone besides the 11 men on the field celebrate on the
field, then there is a penalty.  In Oklahoma's case, it was a horse-drawn
wagon.  In Notre Dame's case, it was lots of people (were there any "non-11"
players celebrating on the field?).
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