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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:39:53 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 661

In this issue:
                       OLTL Wed 19 - Fri 21, Aug
                              Mark at UCLA
                        Pitt Gay/Lesbian Alumni
                           Forgotten Scouts.
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 660
                           Gov. Wilson Letter
                                SEINFELD
                  thank you, thank you, and a question
                            Gaynet Issue 559
                         Newsweek Opinion Piece
                             Alaska Update
                             another letter
                             I will survive

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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: OLTL Wed 19 - Fri 21, Aug
Summary: Plot summary of OLTL for the last 3 days of last week
Keywords: soap, OLTL, plot summary
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: 	Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:01:02 -0600


        Well, due to the tremendously supportive responses I've gotten in the
past couple of days I'm gonna keep it up.  For several reasons (I don't
have time to catch up, the current plot is getting juicy, I can't find
the tape that the rest of last week's shows are on) I'm going to skip
ahead to Monday of this week, with a *brief* overview of the intervening
days' events.  (Done *completely from memory.  If I miss anything
important, perhaps someone else who watched can fill it in?)


Wednesday, Aug 19 (A little short because I can't remember all the details)

        Billy and Joey are talking in the theatre.  Billy is very distraught
about his father's continued refusal to even try to accept him.  He
tells Joey that he is thinking about leaving town and going somewhere
where there are "people like me."  Joey doesn't like this idea.  He
thinks Billy should stay where his friends are.  Billy doesn't feel
like he has all that many friends in town.  Joey feels hurt that
Billy would abandon him after all the risks he took to help him.
Angry words are exchanged and Joey storms out.


Thursday, Aug 20 (A little short because not much really happened)

        Andrew's resolve remains strong, even though many of his parishoners
continue to try and drive him out.  The Quilt is scheduled to stop in
Lanview at some later date.  Work on William's panel continues.  Worries
increase as to what the town's reaction to the Quilt will be.  Andrew
discovers that he has been locked out of the church, so he, Cassie and
Jonathan hold a service in the rectory.


Friday, Aug 21 (More detailed.  Fresher memory, and some notes)

        The panel is finished, except for the (hoped for) inclusion of Sloan.

        Vicki visits sloan, to try again to convince him to go for treatment.
Sloan admits that he is scared of dying, but that it is a somewhat
liberating experience.  He no longer feels compelled to accept the general
ideas of right and wrong.  He begins to admit that he has feelings for
Vicki that he was unwilling to admit to before because she is married.

        Andrew and Cassie walk in before he can complete what he wants to say.
They tell them about the impending arrival of the Quilt.  Sloan is not
impressed.  They tell them that William's panel is finished, and that
they want Sloan to see it.  Sloan gets angry, declares that he will have
nothing to do with it and demands that the Carpenter name not be
asosciated with the Quilt.

        Vicki tries to get them calmed down.  She suggests that is the
inclusion of the Carpenter name so distresses Sloan then it should be
removed.  Andrew and Cassie are stunned.  Vicki then says that they
should all go to the rectory and get it over with.

        They go to the rectory.  Sloan will not look at the panel, he simply
demands that the name be removed.  Vicki says that if he is to point out
what is to be removed then he'll have to look at it.  He looks.  Vicki
starts pointing out the various features of the panel, asking what they
signify.  Explanations are proferred. [At this point it becomes clear
that this whole thing was a clever ploy to get Sloan to look at the
panel, and be moved by the memories it represents.]  Sloan listens to
the banter for a while, and then says he's had enough.  Vicki hands him
a pair of scissors and says that if he wants anything removed then he
should go ahead and do it.  He appears somewhat hesitant.


...

        The next post (later today) will be for Monday, Aug 24.  Things
are really heating up.  I can hardly wait to see what happens!


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 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
 Civil Rights Are For Queers!    |  Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon

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Date: Thursday, 27 August 92 07:23:45 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Mark at UCLA

I didn't mean any disrespect to Greg.  The main reason I posted it twice was
because everybody wanted to know what the nickname was and I guess everybody
didn't read the posting the first time or missed it.  I worship the ground
that Greg walks on and the water he dives in.  I've even got magazine and
newspaper articles that I've copied out of bound journals here at the library
at UT-Austin.  I've even met Greg in person (while he was pushing Speedos for
Dillard's several months ago) and found him to be charming and just as good
looking, too.  So, please forgive me.

Richard Foster

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Date:    Thu, 27 Aug 92 08:16 CDT
From: C60RBR1%NIU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Pitt Gay/Lesbian Alumni

   Is there a gay/lesbian alumni group for the University of Pitts-
burgh? Anybody out there have an interest in starting one up? Please
respond.       Rob Ridinger

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 09:40:23 EDT
From: loomis@krusty.phy.duke.edu (Charles Loomis)
Subject: Forgotten Scouts.

Would someone please repost contact information for
the Forgotten Scouts. Thanks.

					--Cal Loomis

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 09:58:46 -0500
From: Brad Chamberlain <bchambln@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: Re:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 660
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

hello everyone...I just wanted to say that for those of you who possibly
remember me....that I was gone for the summer...but now I'm back..
hugs to everyone

I've been watching one life to life...and was shocked shitless to see the
 rev.getting beat up!! it really scared me.
hugs to all


brad chamberlain
bchambln@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (hopefully that will work)
:) :)

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Posted: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:07:01 -0400
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:05:01 -0400
From: "William Branan" <branan@a1.relay.upenn.edu>
Subject: Gov. Wilson Letter
Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 V2.3 BL8-4 Rev. AAC 20-Dec-1988

Below is the text of a letter I sent to Gov. Wilson of CA.  I was so
angered by Rev. Sheldon's post, I felt I had to do something.  I don't know
if this will get there in time, or do any good, but one can always hope.
After all, what's good for the goose........

By the way, this is my first post to gaynet.

Bill
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Governor Pete Wilson
State Capitol
Sacramento, CA   95814



Dear Governor Wilson:

Recently, it has come to my attention that the California Legislature has
passed AB2601, which now awaits your signature.  I am writing to urge you to
sign this into law.

Although I am not from California, I feel that it is important to make you and
your state aware that many people around the country support the type of equal
rights legislation you are now considering.  You must realize that gays and
lesbians are not seeking "special rights."  We look for the same constitutional
guarantees awarded to all citizens.  We ask not be fired from our jobs or
denied housing because of our sexual orientation.  The issue is simple;
guaranteeing a group of people who in the past have suffered discrimination
the kind of basic human rights most citizens take for granted.

I've read some literature from Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, Chairman of the
Traditional Values Coalition.  Reverend Sheldon asserts that:

"America is in a clash over her national identity.  The battle in
Sacramento over special rights for homosexuals is indicative of the
national battle in society for the soul of America."

If you substitute the word "equal" for the word "special" in the above quote,
then I completely agree with the Reverend Sheldon.  In the battle for
America's soul, I'd like to see the winning side be ours:  the one which
refuses to discriminate against individuals regardless of race, sex, religion,
or sexual orientation.  The side which truly offers America a kinder and
gentler soul.

A further assertion of Reverend Sheldon is that:

"As California businesses struggle for survival, decreasing profits,
rising unemployment, increased dependence on state services, and
the inevitable reduction of the state's tax base will undoubtedly
perpetuate  the state's current economic and financial troubles."

I find it difficult to believe that the Reverend Sheldon uses an economic
argument to counter human rights issues.  Where is his proof that California
businesses will suffer?  What statistics or studies does he cite?  None.  Why?
Because there is no proof that passing this measure will decrease profits,
increase unemployment, or lead to any of the other problems he mentions.  Is
it more important to bow to short term economic considerations than to
guarantee civil rights to a group frequently subjected to the kind of hateful
garbage that people like Reverend Sheldon spew in order to create an
atmosphere of fear and mistrust?

California has the opportunity to join the ranks of many cities and states
throughout the country (including my current residence, Philadelphia, and my
home state, New Jersey) which have seen fit to pass similar ordinances or laws.
Please don't let this opportunity slip away:  sign AB2601 into law.

Sincerely


William D. Branan

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:22:09 EST
From: ALBRIGH@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: SEINFELD

     Did anyone else see "Seinfeld" last night on NBC (Wednesday)?  One of
the comic themes centered around a lesbian wedding that was to take place.
One of Seinfeld's female friends was to be the "best man" and most of the
comic incidents played out while she was on the subway en route to the
ceremony.  I'm not sure it was entirely politically correct, but it was
funny.


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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:19:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: thank you, thank you, and a question

Thank you, Mark Hertzog, for the valuable essay on where academic
transients should register to vote.  I'm not one, but I still appreciate
the trouble you took, particularly in this election, which I think is
going to affect our country, and our LBG community, profoundly.  That
anybody should not vote when he/she could is appalling.  Your final point
that, if nothing else, one's vote can cancel a homophobe's vote, is
brilliantly simple and will appeal to many of the more cynical among us, I
hope.

Thank you Ron Buckmire, and Cindy Rizzo, for posting, and writing, the
essay on lesbian parenting (the king of the jelly beans story, etc.)

The question:  how do we get things like the Rizzo essay, the earlier
refutations of the intimidatingly footnoted phobe essays, etc., before the
eyes of those who need to read them?  the media willing to publish such
stuff is not going to be read by phobes.  Is it practical to raise money
to run off numerous copies and hand them out at
conservative/Republican/phobe gatherings?  Or post them on telephone
poles? (If rock-group groupies can plaster placards all over a city, it
looks like the gay community might be able to do something similar)  What
do you folks think?

And one more thing.  I snickered over Greg Lougainis' alleged nickname and
contributed it to lunchtime conversation--but it really is in poor taste,
isn't necessarily true, and reinforces the silly notion that some kinds of
sexual activity are intrinsically disgraceful or contemptible (health
questions aside here).  Anyway, it's probably a product of somebody's
wishful thinking, anyhow.

I suppose there is something in my inbox....

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From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: Gaynet Issue 559
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:54:10 GMT

Could someone please e-mail me a copy of Digest #559? My newsreader went
nuts and it got deleted in the ensuing battle.....

Sigh.

-Alison

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From: <MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu>
Subject: Newsweek Opinion Piece
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 10:36:00 PDT
Encoding: 48 TEXT

To ANYONE who has not ready Molly Ivins Opinion piece, "A Feast of Hate and
Fear" in the August 31 "Newsweek," please do so (pp 32-3). It's a tasty
little romp through the Republican convention.
    Just a few of the sizzling graphs:
    "The high point was Pat Buchanan's speech, the only Republican
oratorical effort chock full o' nifty ideas.  Religious warfare, for example.
Gad, think of the fun we can have -- mass slaughter in the name of God,
killing for Christ, pogroms, heretic hunts.  We, too, can at long last enjoy
the charming ambience of Northern Ireland and Lebanon.
    "Cultural cleansing, there's another fab proposal.  Why should the
Bosnians have all the fun?  We can have a cleansing of our very own right
here at home.  In the Battle of Stalingrad portion of his speech, Buchanan
set forth his program for the inner cities: M-16s.  We will retake the
cities, block by block from the Americans who have, with fiendish cleverness,
infiltrated their own country."
    And later...
    "His hour came around at last, George Bush stood before us, ready after
four long years to reveal his Vision Thing.  This was the speech that would
definitvely define his domestic agenda.  This was the speech that would
unveil his bulletproof plan for getting us out of the recession.  And also
tell us who the hell has been president for the last four years.
    "...Now comes the Vision Thing:
    "Congress is awful and the other guy is a louse.
    "OK.  That was the Congress-and-Clinton bashing bit.  Now the Vision
Thing.
    "Congress is super-awful and the other guy's a dreadful louse.
    "All right, now here it comes.  George Bush's plan to get us out of this
mess.
    "Congress is just dreadfully awful, it has never done one single thing
except prevent George Bush from carrying out all his perfectly wonderful
plans, and the other guy is the worst louse in history."
    And finally...
    "Many of the lies at the convention were told so often, they lost their
power to startle. ...'Gays-who-are-demanding-special-treatment-and-special-
preferences-under-the-law' stopped being astonishing ('They are?!  I didn't
know that!  Well, that's terrible, I don't agree with that.')  In fact, no
gay organization has ever asked for special preferences, hiring quotas or any
form of affirmative action under the law."
    Anyway, you get the idea.  Could someone in Texas post the address for
the Fort Worth Star-Telegram?  I really want to write this woman a note.

This Would Really Be Funnier If It Weren't True,
Mark

- "Who wants health care with...the efficiency of the House post office and
the compassion of the KGB?" -- George Bush, telling us Americans don't want a
health-insurance system.

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From: jrussell@unlinfo.unl.edu (john russell)
Subject: Alaska Update
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:58:42 GMT

Almost makes me want to move to Alaska just so I can deliberately
not shop there. :-)

jr

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Posted: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:23:01 -0400
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:17:01 -0400
From: "William Branan" <branan@a1.relay.upenn.edu>
Subject: another letter
Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 V2.3 BL8-4 Rev. AAC 20-Dec-1988

Included is the text of a letter I sent to The Cincinnati Enquirer.  I
don't expect the letter to be published, but I feel that the issue is
important enough to make the editors aware we won't stand still for the
 kind of abuse presented in Jim Emerson's editorial.  I urge everyone to
take a few minutes to write.  We must make people aware of how we feel.

Party on,
Bill

- ------------------begin included text----------------------
Editorial Staff
The Cincinnati Enquirer
312 Elm Street
Cincinnati, OH 45202


Dear Editors:

I am writing in response to Jim Emerson's recent editorial on your
pages, "Gay-rights law unwarranted."  Mr. Emerson uses a number of
arguments to carefully explain why the Cincinnati Ordinance to protect
the civil rights of gays is unnecessary.  In doing so, he proves
sufficiently why just such a law is needed.

Mr. Emerson refutes the commonly acknowledged statistic that 10% of the
population is gay.  He produces research suggesting that the number is
really closer to 1%.  Is this reason to deny a group of people equal
rights?  Whether 1% or 10%, gays are still a minority, and still
discriminated against.  His non-argument doesn't wash with me.
Following that logic, no minority would ever receive the same rights as
Mr. Emerson's majority.

Mr. Emerson then launches into the tired debate of whether or not gays
are born that way, or later choose to live what he refers to as a "their
lifestyle."  The "nurture vs. nature" discussion has been around for
years, and there are no definite answers.  Mr. Emerson misses the point
entirely.  Should discrimination against gays be tolerated even if we
"choose" to live that way?  Again following Mr. Emerson's own logic, we
should then discriminate against people of certain religious
affiliations, since religion is ultimately a choice.  Perhaps Mr.
Emerson's next attack will be launched against Jews, or Muslims, since
they choose to practice religions different from his own.

Mr. Emerson believes that gays have the same civil rights as everyone
else.  His us versus them mentality denies the facts.  Gays are fired
simply because of their sexual orientation, as with the Cracker Barrel
chain of restaurants.  Gays are denied opportunities available to
others:  we cannot serve in the military, we cannot fund our education
through ROTC scholarships, we cannot join the Boy Scouts of America.
Gays cannot legally marry their life partners, thus being denied the tax
and health benefits married couples appreciate.  I don't know how Mr.
Emerson feels, but to me that is discrimination.

Gays do not ask for "special rights".  We ask for the same basic civil
rights the rest of the country is guaranteed by the Constitution.  Mr.
Emerson states that "What homosexuals are after is acceptance and
support of their lifestyle."  Personally, I don't expect Mr. Emerson to
accept me or my lifestyle.  Nor do I care if he ever does.  I just don't
want him or anyone to be able to fire me because of it.


Sincerely,



William D. Branan


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Date: 27 Aug 92 14:34:00 EST
From: "GEOFFREY SCHRAMM" <gschramm@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
Subject: I will survive

Thank you, manifold! I have received numerous messages concerning my current
attempt to start a Lesbigay program at Mason. Domo arigato! I will take all
your comments with gravity and concern.
	However, a handful of you told me to contact CUNY, since they have the
most successful Lesbigay Studies Program. Is there anybody on the gaynet who
would have a contact person for me? Better yet, is there anybody who goes to
CUNY who is on the net? That would be completely cool if somebody from CUNY
was on here and could answer some serious questions from me. I would build a
shrine to you.
	Also... while I'm on here... a big humongous *SNAP* goes to Mark
H. for reading those people who printed the heinous nickname of Greg Louganis.
Can we say internailzed homophobia, kiddies?
	George Mason University GLSA (soon to become GMU Lesbigay) is already
planning on sending a contingency to the 1993 March for Gay, Lesbian and
Bisexual Rights. Since we are located right outside the District, we have easy
access to it (that makes sense, huh?). I, personally, would be happy to
answer any questions concerning lodging, events, dates, etc with anybody.
Maybe we could have a BAMF contingent going. That would be completely cool!

                           let the rave begin,

                               Geoffrey

p.s. I will transfer this cool article on Frankie Knuckles (entitled _The House
that Frankie Built_) from the Brit mag _Gay Times_. It is great, espcially the
fact that he is openly gay (does he still play the Sound Factory on Saturdays
in NYC? When I was there, I was graced by his slick hands...). WORK OUT! g-

"When I die/Honey chile'/my angels will be tall/black drag queens..."
Essex Hemphill just for you, Ron.:-)

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