HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Fred and Wilma!
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:53:03 GMT

[rec.arts.bodyart]
In article <1992Aug19.194239.1@vax1.umkc.edu> ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>I recently had a friend of mine take me to a tattoo shop near the "seedy" area
>of town where I met a man named Greg that gave me the coolest 'too I've ever
>seen.
>
>It's a skull and crossbones, except the skull looks a lot like Fred Flintstone
>and below it, it says "Wilma".  I was quite inebriated when all of this went
>on and I let my friend tell him what to put on. 

I think that, if you have access to a scanner you can press your
bicep (butt?  forehead?) to, you should post a GIF of the tattoo to
alt.religion.kibology, because that would settle the stupid "Jetsons vs.
Flintstones: Who's Cooler?" debate forever.

							-- K.
From: dajm@ukc.ac.uk (DavidMoor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Tattoo Expo 1992 in the UK
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:38:37 GMT
Expires: 22 SEP 1992
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


The following information is taken from a flyer that Lal Hardy gave me.
The photo on the front of the flyer is of Hamish Halley, tattooed by
Ian of Reading, who's wildlife tattoos look absolutely stunning.

Tattoo Expo 1992 will be at:-

	The Queens Hall
	Vernon Place
	Dunstable
	Bedfordshire

EXPO 1992 will be staged in four sessions over two days. Tickets
are available in advance or at the door - for individual sessions
or for the whole two days...

Sunday 20th September: SESSION 1 - Noon to 18:00 SESSION 2 - 19:00 to midnight

Monday 21st September: SESSION 3 - 11:00 to 18:00 SESSION 4 - 19:00 to midnight

Tickets are priced at 5pounds for each session - Two day ticket is 20pounds

Advance tickets are available by post (Visa, Mastercard, cash or cheques
payable to TATTOO INKORPORATED) from:-

	Tattoo Inkorporated
	118 Shirley Road
	Southampton
	SO1 3FD  U.K.

Tickets are also available by phone or FAX (on credit cards) Tel: 0703 230325

Tickets may be obtained in person from:-

Brent's Tattoo Studio		Ian of Reading		Lal Hardy's Studio
103 High Street North		160 Oxford Road		157 Sydney Road
Dunstable			Reading			Muswell Hill
							London

Advance tickets will not be available after 10th September! - an advance
ticket saves queueing - and guarantees admission if you are travelling any
distance. Tickets will be available at the door until the hall is full!!!


Dunstable Tourist Information Office Tel: 0582 608441


DavidMoor.
From: jxs@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Shapcott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tragus pierce, problems...maybe?
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:30:31 GMT
Reply-To: jxs@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jonathan Shapcott)
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <OSIRIS.92Aug12234203@miles.mit.edu> osiris@athena.mit.edu writes:
>Well, I got my tragus pierced this past weekend, and took it out to
>clean the gook that had built up off of it.  When I put it back in,
>though, it looks like the skin around the pierce widened, so the head
>of the piercing stud (I know...I used a gun...it's much cheaper)
>appears to be counter sunk in the skin.  Anyone had any such problem?
>Will it heal normally?

This happened to me too. The problem I had was that the stud post was much  
too short, so there was a certain amount of pressure on the new pierce. 
This was solved by going to a jewellers and buying a large stud with a long
long post. It healed up fairly quickly then. 

I wouldn't take it out for cleaning, they're tricky things to get in and
out at the best of times, and it's not such a bright idea to risk
damaging the bit that's healing, especially as tragus cartlidge is quite
notorious ( mine went really horrible for about three weeks, not something
I would wish for anyone.... ).

Other than that it's a great pierce, even if you get asked "didn't that hurt"
more frequently than when you mention other places that have been pierced.

Jonathan.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> Am I the only one who *likes* normal Listerine?

 You're a sick puppy, Anthony.
From: sonny@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joseph.j.de rosa)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: source books
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:42:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <ohap0h4@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>I have seen many people asking the "where can I find good examples of X"
>questions concerning tattoos.  I will pass along a little hint.  There
>is a publishing company called Dover Books, who specialize in public
>domain images.

Dover Publications, Inc.
31 east 2ND Street
Mineola, New York 11501

Ask for their free catalogues. The complete catalogue is cat# 59069-0. 
You will get periodic updates to all the catalogues. 

Joe DeRosa
attmail!jderosa
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Here we go... deep breath... and...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:32:04 GMT

   Well, I've got the jewelry (12ga. post), I've got a 10ga. needle
from The Gauntlet, I've got Pennington Forceps, I've got Hibiclens, and
I know where I want it to go.

   The dungeon is tonight.

   Now all I need is courage.

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights)
Subject: Re: Fred and Wilma!
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:39:11 GMT

ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes about his new tattoo:

>It's a skull and crossbones, except the skull looks a lot like Fred Flintstone
>and below it, it says "Wilma".  I was quite inebriated when all of this went
>on and I let my friend tell him what to put on.  Now, isn't this kind of a 
>bad idea?  Shouldn't a person be able to make his own decisions as to what 
>goes onto his or her body?  Sure, I like my 'too, but I don't think that the
>guy should have gone ahead with the procedure unless I had of been
>semi-conscious.  

>Any thoughts?

"The rocks will shake their heads and say, "God is good, but
surely works in mysterious ways...'"
The guy who put your new tattoo on violated one of the first
rules that good artists follow:  don't tattoo drunk people.
But it goes on a lot, and if your friend had dragged you to
a more conscientious artist, they probably would have sent
you to the guy who gave you the tattoo after a nasty lecture.

I acted rather impulsively to get my first tattoo, and I love
it.  You're not likely to forget your present lifestyle, tattoo
or not.  And you'll learn to deal with the permanent things in
your life, tattoo or not.  And at least you didn't get a REALLY
bad tattoo--pick up an issue of "Easy Rider Tattoo" sometime.
You'll probably thank your "friend" for his judgement.

So you fell victim to your repressed desires for a tattoo.  Well,
congratulations.  I think.

Arlen
-- 
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"all our dreams come true, baby, up ahead; it's out where your memories lie"
                                 -tom waits
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: Shower Crayons
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:33:34 +0000


> I really do get into playing with shower Crayons, and I can
> see how someone could find tatoos and body art attractive.


Thats an interesting point. Now I'm not disputing that you have fun
with these things, but isn't the whole significance of most body art
its very *permanence*. I'm sure everyone has a mother/aunt/other
relative who has offered to disown you should you ever acquire a tat
with the advice "You don't want one of those, you'll be stuck with it
for *ever*"  -  but isn't that the whole point ?

They certainly sound like a good idea for trying out design ideas /
other people's reactions, and of course they're even more fun on
someone else's body  8-)

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: dancer@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Need info/advice
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:59:04 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Hello all,

   I need some advice/information about labia minor piercings.

But first, some background then the questions.

In 1988 I got my nipples pierced. Within three months both had to be removed
due to the fact that my body literally spit them out. One had a mere 2mm of
fleash or so between it and the real world.  I was wearing 14g gold rings. Even
now I can express a white goo from them about once or twice a week. so they
have never truely healed. Mayhaps I didn't keep them as clean as I should have,
on the otherhand, my nipples are very very flat and my breast are rather large
(36DD) so that may have been a factor.

Now, I am tenatively thinking vaguely about getting labia minor rings. Well, my
husband keeps talking about them and the idea is growing on me. I am worried
about the same thing happening again.....I do have trouble with earrings if I
wear the cheap stuff, but Whispers(tm) are wonderful.

I'm also interested in what should and should not be done after the piercing
(ie. sex) and for how long.

Thanks in advance for any information/stories/etc that you have to share
(please post so others can hear). Oh, I have read the faq. :-)

Thanks again.

---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---*---
Dream Dancer                               dancer@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
aka                                        dancer@acm.rpi.edu
Martha Underwood                             Four cats and a
                                             burmese python

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: source books
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:08:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.184204.29658@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sonny@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joseph.j.de rosa) writes:
>In article <ohap0h4@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>
>>I have seen many people asking the "where can I find good examples of X"
>>questions concerning tattoos.  I will pass along a little hint.  There
>>is a publishing company called Dover Books, who specialize in public
>>domain images.
>
>Dover Publications, Inc.
>31 east 2ND Street
>Mineola, New York 11501
>
>Ask for their free catalogues. The complete catalogue is cat# 59069-0. 
>You will get periodic updates to all the catalogues. 
>
>Joe DeRosa
>attmail!jderosa

What makes ordering from Dover so nice is that their selections are
unbelievably inexpensive. They have books chock full of copyright-free
illustrations, and that status makes it very cheap to publish. They
also sell "classic" literature are very low prices, too. :)



--
A. Lani Teshima, UH School of Library & Info Studies   o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
A small mind is easily filled with faith.               o|<0_0>--------*
Blessed is a mind too small for doubt.                    \=^-| |____| | 
teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu                                 \_}B   \_}B
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: no more dick fattening
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:25:28 GMT

the guy in Florida who was injecting dicks with fat had his license 
suspended by he state. He was charged with failing to keep medical records,
exploiting patients for financial gain, innapropriate prescriptions, 
practicing medicine below acceptable levels of care, offering treatment
beyond his competence, false advertising and failing to perform a legal 
obligation.
"It's a witch hunt," he said. "Mymedical competitors are jealous because
I am doing fabulously well, because I'm a pioneer."

pretty funnny, i think
From: lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Naive question about piercings
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:50:11 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems


I have a nipple piercing and I was seriously considering getting 
another piercing.  It's called a Prince Albert and it is where they
pierce the tip of the penis and put a ring though it and the urethra.
It just sounded like good honest fun at the time.  But I then thought
that perhaps it would cause my wife some discomfort.  You see,
I knew a woman who hemorrhaged from coitus with a man who was wearing a
french tickler.  And a french tickler is just made of soft, pliable 
rubber.  Imagine what a piece of metal could do. 

So, I was wondering if anyone out there has ever been hurt by a man
with a piece of metal stuck through the tip of his penis.  If I can
get a consensus that it is truly 100% safe for my wife, then I'll
go ahead and get the Prince Albert.

_______________________________________________________________________
|Ed "The Man" O'Brien          | This is where one would normally read|
|lemaire@cac.washington.edu    | some trite personal observation, or  |
|(206)543-5970                 | a quote by an author or lyricist I   |
|                              | admire.                              |
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From: mwise@acs.bu.edu (Matthew Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence(Re: Shower Crayons)
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:24:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.94075
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Body Art is _by definition_ temporary art.  A building can be permanent
art...a painting or a sculpture can be permanent art...the sphinx is
permanent art...but even the most heavily tattoed or pierced body cannot
be put on permanent display; and, after a very few decades, body & art
will be completely gone.
I love body art because it is like drawing on sand.
My opinion. Yay	!
Matt

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: It is done.
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:20:29 GMT

	I now have a nice greyish blue ring in me navel, complete with
	Hematite captive bead.  No fuss, no muss... the guys at the Gauntlet
	have done it again.  In the immortal words of the great Jame Brown:

		I feel GOOD.

	`Tis all she wrote.

	-Andy V.
From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:51:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: well.Bt98y7.KCv
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.

In article <ope4ot8@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>However, one septum piercing looks exactly like any other septum piercing.
>You can vary the gauge, but basically they are all alike.  Tattoos are all
>unique, so despite the fad quality they are currently experiencing, at least
>everyone is getting their own, rather than another just like everyone else's.

I can believe that someone as serious as Jeff ends up with
individualistic, idiosyncratic tattoos.  That's not what I see
in SF bars, though.  People seem to look at each other's
tattoos to confirm the number, location, and cultural
extremity of design.  They don't seem to acknowledge the
actual content.  It's just part of the uniform, like the
motorcycle jackets (9/10th's of which have never been worn on
a bike), death's head rings, shaved heads or dreadlocks (not
that I should talk), bones through the nose....

These clowns *aren't* getting original tattoos.  I see the
same variations on a theme over and over, like the celtic
armbands.  A lot of tattoo artists are making their bacon
cranking these out.

I did see one armband tattoo that seemed totally appropriate.
It was on the beefy arm of a Samoan guy who was ripping a
cop's head off for throwing him off his land in Hawaii to make
way for a Japanese golf course.  It seemed legitimately
tribal.
From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Shower Crayons
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:53:11 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: Andy's Pile-O-Computers, Dunellen NJ

dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> In-Reply-To:  ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET
> > I really do get into playing with shower Crayons, and I can
> > see how someone could find tatoos and body art attractive.

> Thats an interesting point. Now I'm not disputing that you have fun
> with these things, but isn't the whole significance of most body art
> its very *permanence*.

I think I understand what you're trying to say here, but why does
something have to be permanent to be art, or for that matter,
significant?

I've got a pierced ear, and some people consider that significant,
(of what, I don't know). It's been pierced since 1977; that would
give it a certain amount of permanence. Do either of these things
have anything to do with it being more or less significant as art?
I don't think so. It's like trying to argue whether blue is a "good"
color... I might feel one way about it, and you might feel another.
And because that's what art is about - feeling - please don't try
to rationalize it; it's just a form of expression.

If its what makes *you* feel good, use whatever materials are at hand:
pencil, pen, magic marker, tat gun or shower crayons.

So, where do I get some shower crayons, anyway?

Cheers,
Andy
--
 Andreas Meyer, N2FYE               Warning: due to the shortage of robots,
 ahm@spatula.rent.com               our workers are human and will therefore
 ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm     react unpredictably under stress.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Fred and Wilma!
From: ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

I recently had a friend of mine take me to a tattoo shop near the "seedy" area
of town where I met a man named Greg that gave me the coolest 'too I've ever
seen.

It's a skull and crossbones, except the skull looks a lot like Fred Flintstone
and below it, it says "Wilma".  I was quite inebriated when all of this went
on and I let my friend tell him what to put on.  Now, isn't this kind of a 
bad idea?  Shouldn't a person be able to make his own decisions as to what 
goes onto his or her body?  Sure, I like my 'too, but I don't think that the
guy should have gone ahead with the procedure unless I had of been
semi-conscious.  

Any thoughts?

	-Tom-
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols
Date: 16 Aug 92 19:05:00 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <oeWctUu00WB20Miash@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> In article <l84ib5INNjsc@aludra.usc.edu> rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen) writes:
>>
>>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>My girl friend was interested in getting an arm band tatoo, something
>>like a celtic pattern, or a "scrolling englishish thing" to quote her,
>>(dont ask me what that means, your guess is as good, or probably
>>better than mine :-), but she wants to know the meaning of the
>>differnt patterns.  so my question is, can someone point me in the
>>direction of a good book(s) on this subject that not only has alot of
>>good ideas for patterns, but also gives the meanings.
>>
>>thanks,
>>robert.
> 
> I think she's referring to Celtic style knotwork.  I think the knotwork patterns
> don't have any symbolic significance to the people that created them, they were
> just decorative.  But, they were used in certain contexts (religious stones,
> books, stuff like that), so that could be considered "symbolic."

I have been using Celtic knotwork in some Ukranian easter egg patterns, and
can assure you there is indeed some symbolism, most of which is subtle, and
almost all of which is Christian. Well, at least in anything I have read.

Two of the main things you want to keep in mind is that anything involving a
complicated design drawn using a single line is in fact a symbol of Eternity.
The Celtic designs very often involve threes ( three lines, three swirls in a 
circle, whatever.) This in fact is a symbol of the Holy Trinity. There are 
others I know, but I have forgotten them. I would recommend some heavy research
before deciding... tattoos are permanent, and you don't want the Celtic 
equivalent of "your mother wears army boots" on your shoulder for the rest of 
your life ;-)

Mike
From: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Date: 15 Aug 1992 22:05:56 GMT
Organization: Saint Sebastian's school for Wicked Girls
Reply-To: barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae)
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Aug14.213010.24176@midway.uchicago.edu> enf1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I've been told on numerous occasions (at least two) that ear piercing can cause
>paralysis if done in the wrong place.  My brother insists it's in the cartilage
>at the top of the ear; a friend I was talking to today says it's the part
>opposite the tragus (which I'm sure has a name but I can't think of it).

	I'm sorry to have to put it so bluntly, but your sources
	are IDIOTS. Imagine for a moment that it were true: All
	over the country, but especially in L.A. and San Francisco,
	there would be paralyzed teenagers, hobbling and dragging
	their twisted bodies around from school to school warning
	other vain, trendy teens of the dangers of piercing that
	*one special spot*. Of course, everyone has a different
	idea of where that *one special spot* IS, so it's kind of
	a gamble. There would be parent's organizations touting
	"The only safe piercing is NO piercing", but kids would do
	it anyway, the media would be in hog heaven, and you would
	be bombarded with the facts every which way you turn. 

	Do you see my point?

>Rec.arts.bodyart seems about as reliable a source as I can possibly consult
>about such an issue,

	No, actually a DOCTOR would be a better source.
	Of course, then you would have had to pay 40 bucks to
	be told that your friends are idiots.

>so I hope there's someone out there who can tell me if
>paralysis can really result from this, and if so, where on the ear to avoid.

	One more time for emphasis: There are NO spots on the
	ear OR the nose that will cause paralysis if they're
	pierced. It's NOT a worry, it WON'T happen, now you
	can go for it and pierce away.

	-Barb
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: here I go again...
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:14:48 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

i	...to get me navel pierced for the second time.  Tomorrow at the
	Gauntlet, NYC.  Hopefully this time all will go better than my
	homebrewed effort (AACK!).  Wish me luck.

	-Andy V.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Something to consider before you tattoo
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:20:29 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Aug16.015531.12015@thinkage.on.ca>, kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
> In article <l8nua7INNa7b@male.EBay.Sun.COM> barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae) writes:
>>
>>From the Weekly World News:
>>
>>JEALOUS WIFE BITES OFF HUBBY'S TATTOO - AND SPITS IT OUT!
>>
>>...arm so she got rid of it once and for all - she bit it off and
>>spit it out!
>>The angry housewife, who lives near Muskogee, Okla., says the
>>tattoo had an ex-girlfriend's name in it and it bugged her
>>everytime she saw it.
> 
> Shouldnt the subject line read:
>   Something to consider before you marry. ? :-)
> 
> After all, which one is more satisfying?
> 
*AND* one is less painful, should you decide you can no longer live with it >-)

Mike