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From: dan@dribble.c-mols.siu.edu (Dan Ellison)
Subject: Anyone working on MSW-->X compatability libraries?
Organization: Southern Illinois University - Carbondale, IL (SIU-C)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:54:03 GMT

Just curious as to whether or not anyone has had the same thought
as myself regarding the windows worlds.  That question being: if
one can run Xwindows under MS Windows 3.1, shouldn't it be possible
to run MS Windows programs under X using similar technology?

I don't claim to be an X or MSW expert by any means but am curious
about the future developments.  Is this possible?  Is anyone actively
working on something?

Thanks all.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: junki@lut.fi (Juha Nurmela)
Subject: Re: How to allow button press to interrupt drawing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:29 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Lappeenranta, Finland

In article <1992Dec16.194626.5594@b11.b11.ingr.com>, ron@farley.b11.ingr.com (Ron Farley) writes:
|> 
|> Anybody have some good examples that show how one should go about handling
|> button presses to allow an interrupt of a drawing process?
|> 
|> I would like to allow a user to press, say button 3, during a raster draw
|> routine to halt the process if he so chooses.  I'm assuming I have to do
|> some basic things like selecting for button presses, check the event queue,
|> etc.
|> 
|> Naturally, I don't want the speed of the drawing process hindered too much.
|> Any tips, tricks, good things to do, examples, or pitfalls to avoid are
|> most appreciated.


How about using a workproc for drawing. The workproc draws only a small amount
of something and then returns, (and will be called in near future again).
I tried this approach in a program, which draws worldmaps, and it worked
quite ok, in fact, no slower than when all the lines were drawn at once.

The callback that is called when the user loses patience removes the
workproc, or resets some internal state, that the workproc starts it all 
over.

This has the added advantage, that one can use Xt and callbacks without
having to resort to Xlib (please, no flames :).

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: karres@enigma.rtp.dg.com (Dean Karres)
Subject: WANTED: sources for DRLabs x11ps2
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:01:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.


Hi,

I am looking for a version of x11ps2 that is compatable with
x11perf v1.3. I have looked on the X11R5 contrib tape; I have looked
through archie but no luck. If you know where this beast lies would
you please e-mail it to me or point me at it?

thanks
Dean...K...
          //                     || X Windows Development   \\ 
         //     Dean  Karres     || Data General Corporation \\
         \\ karres@dg-rtp.dg.com || 62 T.W. Alexander Dr.    //
          \\                     || RTP, NC 27709           // 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mll@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Littlefield)
Subject: Neex X library for image display
Reply-To: mll@aio.jesnet.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: Lockheed ESC/NASA JSC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:10:36 GMT

'lo all,

I am doing some work in computer (robot) vision and I need a display
library for X11.  Essentially, what I need is a C library that I can
call to display images, lines, and text in a window.  

If anyone out there has any sugestions I would welcome them.  Please
don't tell me to just write my own because I really don't have the
time to work on something like this that has no doubt been don a
hundred times before.  Also, I am aware of the image processing
environments like Khoros and KBVision (we have copies of both here),
but these are far more than I need.

Please reply by e-mail as I don't normally read this group.

Thanks in advance,

mark

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USsnail:  Lockheed Engineering and Sciences 
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Remote X window games out there?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:42:21 GMT

I was wondering if there are any X window games that you can telnet
to or something of the sort.
From: ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Why do people call it X-windowS?
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:50:43 GMT
Reply-To: ejw1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Academic and Public Computing

I remember reading somewhere that the creators of X cringed everytime they 
heard someone refer to the windowing system as 'X-windows', instead of 
simply 'X-window'.  Does anybody have a reference for the quote?  Is there any 
other source for pointing out to people the error of their ways?

Thanks.

Eric
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rns@deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Sturrock)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: setting DISPLAY env variable
Date: 21 Dec 1992 12:29:23 +1100
Organization: Deakin University
NNTP-Posting-Host: rastaban.cc.deakin.oz.au

rns@deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Sturrock) writes:

>is there a way to set the DISPLAY variable to be the particular workstation
>you are using inside ".bashrc".  That is, I want every new xterm, for
>whatever host I happen to be logging into, to have DISPLAY set to my
>workstation.  Note that my workstation will vary, so I can't just
>hardwire

>	export DISPLAY=workstation:0.0

>inside my .bashrc file.

Someone mentioned using the "xon" script to do the login.  I took a closer
look at this program, and was led to the following man page:


xauth(1)                 USER COMMANDS                   xauth(1)



NAME
     xauth - X authority file utility

SYNOPSIS
     xauth [-f authfile] [-vqib] [command arg...]

[...etc...]

EXAMPLE
     The most common use for xauth is to extract  the  entry  for
     the  current  display, copy it to another machine, and merge
     it into the user's authority file on the remote machine:

        %  xauth  extract  -  $DISPLAY  |  rsh  other  xauth  merge  -



So "xauth" provides an interesting way of pushing the DISPLAY variable
around different machines; a facility that is exploited by "xon".  I
now use "xon" to do my logins, and haven't had any problems with DISPLAY
since, but I do find this method a bit slower than starting up a 
local xterm and running rlogin..

Thanks to all the people who replied to this.  It seems there are a
great many different ways of solving this problem, all with their
pro's and con's (but that's Unix, I suppose).  Perhaps I should
summarise?


Rob
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: redlel@barh1a.its.rpi.edu (Lorenz Wolfgang Redlefsen)
Subject: XDM - now what?
Keywords: XDM xdm
Reply-To: redlel@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensseltute Polylaer Institechnic
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:40:59 GMT


	OK... supposing I get xdm fired up, and all... suppose I ever
want to do something like *gasp* stop it...? I have tried to do it by
su'ing, then killing the pid that ps -aux tells me corresponds to xdm.
Hmmmm... machine locks up. Ooops! Any ideas? (BTW, this is under linux 0.99,
and I run xdm using the -nodaemon flag.) 

	Thanks a lot

		Lorenz
		(redlel@rpi.edu)
From: cdougan@nmt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: ACM on a Sun SPARC won't compile correctly?
Summary: Need help "making" acm...
Date: 10 Dec 92 22:49:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Dec10.224951.11193
Distribution: comp.windows.x comp.windows.x.apps
Organization: New Mexico Tech

I've tried to compile acm 2.03 on our SparcI(sun4) machines and
get this error during the make:

"newPlayer.c", line 529: strchr undefined
"newPlayer.c", line 553: strchr undefined
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `newPlayer.o'
Current working directory /tmp_mnt/titan2/undergrad/cdougan/acm-
2.03/fsim
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error:
Command failed for target `all'

I'm using SunOS Release 4.1.2 (TCC_IPC) #6.

If you anyone can  give me a hint or some advice I'd be very appreciative.
Is there a site that someone knows of where acm has been successfully
compiled for a sun that I could get the binary files from?

Thank you for your time.

    -- Cort Dougan (cdougan@titan.nmt.edu cdougan@baltic.nmt.edu
                    cdougan@minos.nmt.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: tore@bibsyst.no (Tore Morkemo)
Subject: Frames in xterm
Organization: Bibliotek-Systemer A/S
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:41:42 GMT

Hi !

I'm don't like the |'s, -'es and +'s as frame characters in xterm when I'm
running curses applications. Is there a terminfo for xterm around that can
fix some real frames ?

Tore.

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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: trouble with xmodmap
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:49:20 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <1992Dec14.132813.19208@uropax.contrib.de>, thomax@uropax.contrib.de (Thomas Kaulmann) writes:

> i still stuck in the problem to assign an alt key combination with
> xmodmap.  i've tried to assign the at-sign (@) to the alt-q
> combination using this statement:

> % xmodmap -
> keycode 61 q Q at
> <EOF>

> whats wrong with that??

Nothing.  It's not enough by itself, though.  You also need to make
sure that the Alt key sets the group modifier.  What is the group
modifier, you ask?  Here's a quote from the protocol document;
bracketed text [] is mine:

	Switching between groups is controlled by the KEYSYM named MODE
	SWITCH [sic - actually Mode_switch], by attaching that KEYSYM
	to some KEYCODE and attaching that KEYCODE to any one of the
	modifiers Mod1 through Mod5.  This modifier is called the
	``group modifier''.  For any KEYCODE, Group 1 [the first two
	columns of the xmodmap table] is used when the group modifier
	is off, and Group 2 [the second two columns] is used when the
	group modifier is on.

For example, you might do

xmodmap - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Alt_L Mode_switch
add Mod5 = Mode_switch
EOF

if nothing else is using Mod5.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: "grant mcdorman" <grant.mcdorman@canrem.com>
Subject: re: sunview thru x
Reply-To: "grant mcdorman" <grant.mcdorman@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:50:15 EST

Dave Morgan (dmorgan@javelin.sim.es.com) writes:

> tsioutsias-dimitris@cs.yale.edu (Dimitris Ioannis Tsioutsias) writes:

> >How can someone (if he can at all!) open a SunView window thru an
> >X environment? I am aware only of the xbgsun program that lets you
> >load a sun-rasterfile while in X.

>     This is possible, but only if you are running Sun's Openwindows.
> Then in your .xinitrc (or somewhere) you must have "eval `svenv
> -env`"...

Actually, you don't need to run the Open Look window manager (olwm).
What provides this capability is the xnews server provided with
OpenWindows; you can (almost) drop it in place of Xsun in your
.xserverrc (or wherever).  The "eval `svenv -env`" is because SunView
programs require an environment variable which identifies something
called the "base window" (I think that's the equivalent to the root
window). If the environment variable is not set, you get the message
"Not passed base window in environment".

Even when it does work, the window manager doesn't know anything about
the SunView windows; as a result they are always on top; and you
(still) can't run SunView windows across the network.

As I said above, xnews is almost equivalent to Xsun. The font formats
are entirely different, however; and the xnews provided with OLV3 is
equivalent to an X11R4 server. If you account for these differences,
you should be able to use xnews instead of Xsun.

If I recall correctly, the man page for Xsun says something about being
able to run it "on top of SunView". I presume this means you start
SunView first, and then start X; how the two interact in this
environment I don't know.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Subject: Re: Ansi Xterm
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:32:36 GMT


My review of the X11R5 xterm indicates that it supports cursor movement and
control  per ANSI X3.64, but does not support color control.
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Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:20243 comp.sys.sgi:18067
From: schwamb@isi.edu (Karl Schwamb)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Opening display from remote login to an SGI
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute
Keywords: sgi X



I have some X programs that are working fine on Suns and I'm in
the process of porting them to the SGI.  For some reason, the
conventions I've seen to open a display don't work when I remotely
login to our SGI.  I know this is possible because the xterms and emacs
come up fine remotely.  I've tried the following in the applications, but 
they all fail to return a display (these are from different programs):

  1. A program that only uses Xlib:

     display = XOpenDisplay("");

  2. A program that uses Xt:

     XtToolkitInitialize();
     context = XtCreateApplicationContext();
     display = XtOpenDisplay(context, NULL, name, "MyProgram",
                            NULL, 0, argc, argv);

  3. Another Xt program:

     toplevel = XtInitialize(name, "MyProgram", NULL, 0, argc, argv);
     display  = XtDisplay(toplevel);
     context  = XtWidgetToApplicationContext(toplevel);

So what am I missing in the SGI environment?

-Karl




Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: heb@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Herbert Bauer)
Subject: X wrapper for passwd
Summary: looking for an X wrapper for passwd
Keywords: passwd X
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:34:09 GMT

I'm looking for a X wrapper for passwd. We would like to have a nice
C client which makes it really easy to change your password.

Does anybody know of such a biest? I'm sure there must be something
around.
If not, does anybody have a regular wrapper for passwd. Using that
code, it should be fairly easy to write a little X/Motif client
for handling passwd.

Thanks in advance and merry christmas,

Herbert

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Technical University of Munich
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:20158 comp.sys.sun.apps:2736 comp.sys.sun.wanted:1989
From: mike@egf-bbs.uucp (System Operator)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: X11R5 on nic.funet.fi
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:29:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: egf-bbs.1992Dec12.172954.14819
Organization: EGF, MN Public Access Unix

On nic.funet.fi in /pub/X11/binaries are two files.

11M	X11R5-sun2.1.tar.Z
18M	X11R5-sun2.2.tar.Z

I downloaded the first one and it doesn't seem to be everything I need
(I'm new to X11R5 and havn't used X11R4 in about 2 years) so I snagged
the second one but it's too big for me to download and uncompress and
untar (I'd need 100M free).  In looking at the second one though it has
a LOT of the same files.  Perhaps ALL of the same files.  Does anyone
have any insite into this?

Any help getting X11R5 running on a Sun-2 would be greatly appreciated.

Mike
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From: dansmith@Autodesk.COM (Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: trouble with patch 13a
Summary: failing patch...
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:23:06 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA


	I'm applying patches 1-20 in succession to a tree I got
off of a CD ROM.  I just ran into this:

|*** /tmp/da25708       Tue Jul 14 18:03:29 1992
|--- mit/fonts/lib/font/fontfile/fontdir.c      Tue Jul 14 18:03:28 1992
--------------------------
Patching file mit/fonts/lib/font/fontfile/fontdir.c using Plan A...
Hunk #1 succeeded at 1.
Hunk #2 failed at 265.
Hunk #3 failed at 292.
Hunk #4 failed at 340.
Hunk #5 failed at 355.
Hunk #6 failed at 364.
Hunk #7 failed at 374.
Hunk #8 failed at 381.
Hunk #9 failed at 411.
Hunk #10 failed at 471.
Hunk #11 failed at 483.
Hunk #12 failed at 513.
Premature "---" at line 507--check line numbers at line 496.
ERRS.13a line 128/150 (END)

	I've decided to stop at this point before compounding the problem
by applying more patches.  Any lore on this matter would be appreciated.

					Daniel
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: chrise@atc.boeing.com (Chris Esposito,pierce)
Subject: Re: Why do people call it X-windowS?
Reply-To: chrise@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Research & Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:04:56 GMT

In article 8442@midway.uchicago.edu, ejw1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Eric Weidl) writes:
>I remember reading somewhere that the creators of X cringed everytime they 
>heard someone refer to the windowing system as 'X-windows', instead of 
>simply 'X-window'.  Does anybody have a reference for the quote?  Is there any 
>other source for pointing out to people the error of their ways?

The quote I believe you are referring to is this one:
	"It's a window system named X, not a system named X windows" . 

I think this quote is from either Jim Gettys or Bob Scheifler and can be found in 
the X(1) man page.  As to why it was called X, as opposed to something else, I
believe there were two earlier window systems named W and V that the early X
development group drew upon for inspiration and lessons learned.

-Chris


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Compiling Error
From: gaffur@fluffypci.upmc.edu (ehsan-ul gaffur)
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:51:21 GMT
Reply-To: gaffur@crx.pci.upmc.edu
Distribution: comp.windows.x, comp.windows.open-look
Organization: Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
Keywords: Compiling Error XtString

We have just installed Solaris 1.1 (SunOS 4.1.3) and OpenWindows 3.1 on our
SPARCstations.  We now have a problem compiling X11-R5 clients because of
faults in the new OpenLook libraries in $OPENWINHOME/lib/libX*.

The environment variable is set:  LD_LIBRARY_PATH = /usr/openwin/lib:/usr/lib

The compilation procedure:  cc ... -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11

The result:
ld: Undefined symbol 
      _XtStrings 
*** Error code 2
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all'

When we try to run existing X11-R5 clients, say /usr/bin/X11/xmh, then we
get an error like this:
ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4.0 has older revision than expected 10
ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4.1 has older revision than expected 10
ld.so: warning: /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4.3 has older revision than expected 10
ld.so: Undefined symbol: _XmuNewCvtStringToWidget

I have just got two patches from Sun Microsystems:  100512-03 and 100573-04.
After applying the patches, I tried again.  No luck...

Does anyone have information regarding a fix to our problem?  Thank you much
in advance.


Ehsan-ul Gaffur
Systems Analyst
Biostatistics Center
Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
From: mconlon@stat.ufl.edu (Mike Conlon)
Subject: Can't open display
Organization: University of Fl, Department of Statistics
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:53:51


We are upgrading from Ultrix 4.2 to Ultrix 4.3. We have been
using X (both DEC servers and MIT servers) for about three years.

We're having a problem trying to start the X11R5 xdm from MIT
on client machines running Ultrix 4.3.

Our server machine (Ds5000/120) fires up fine, but our client machines
(DS3100's) that mount /usr from the server can't start X.  We are
running Ultrix 4.3, but all X is coming from MIT distribution.  We get
the errors shown below in the client machine's xdm-errors file:

couldn't open device
error (pid 213): IO Error in XOpenDisplay
error (pid 178): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: 1
error (pid 178): Display :0 cannot be opened
couldn't open device
error (pid 235): IO Error in XOpenDisplay
error (pid 178): Display :0 cannot be opened
couldn't open device
error (pid 237): IO Error in XOpenDisplay
error (pid 178): Display :0 cannot be opened
couldn't open device
error (pid 239): IO Error in XOpenDisplay
error (pid 178): Display :0 cannot be opened
error (pid 178): Display :0 is being disabled

Our Xservers file contains:

:0 local /usr/local/bin/X

We start xdm with the command:

/usr/local/bin/xdm -config /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config

and the binaries, config and resources all exist in their
proper places (remember, the same /usr area is being used
by both systems and it starts up fine on the server).

Anybody have any ideas we can try to get past the "Display
cannot be opened" --- we've been banging our heads against this trying a
large variety of things for several days.

Mike Conlon
mconlon@stat.ufl.edu
Dept of Statistics
University of Florida










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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf)
Subject: Re: How to use the ALT-key to produce 8-Bit Chars in xterm (X11R4)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:36:09 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 19:56:39 GMT, sledge@rama.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Bueschgens) said:

TB> Hi out there,

TB> after using pcomm as my favorite terminal-program I'm a bit angry
TB> about that damned CTRL-A -Key, because Bash and Emacs like this
TB> thing, too.

TB> So I just got myself a patch for Pcomm to understand 8-bit chars.
TB> So far, so good. With no X running, means using plain text,
TB> everything works fine for me after I patched my german.map to
TB> produce a value of 225 with ALT-A, wich is something I call a
TB> 8-bit char.  With plain text, this works fine for pcomm, and I can
TB> use my CTRL-A for emacs and bash again.  But how to set up my
TB> X/xterm/stty/or_what_ever_you_think_it_may_be ???  There must be a
TB> way to do this, right??

One solution would be to switch to Seyon, an X-based comm program.
Seyon doesn't use an escape character, is 8-bit-clean (unless you
choose a 7-bit mask), and can even 'trick' remote hosts that cannot
handle 8-bit charactres into understanding the ALT key by translating
it into an ESC followed by the key press, so you can use ALT as the
meta key in Emacs and tcsh.

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