HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee  timlee@btr.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Lactase Re: Cheese
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:05:03 GMT

angeli@infocomm.com writes:
|	My cousin, my sister and my Mom all have lactose-intolerance, but they
|found a product (called LactAid, I believe) that they take before eating ice
|cream, drinking milk, etc.  Hope that helps someone out there.

The relevant stuff is the enzyme lactase (spell carefully).  Lactaid
is a brand name of one set of products including lactase pills and
special milk with lactase or lactobacillus acidophilus in it.  There
are probably other brands as well.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Keywords: cheese
Date: 21 Jul 92 00:24:59 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@ice.TTI.COM (too cold)
Distribution: na


Jim, 

I like cheese.  Yes, even American cheese.

Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:37:09 GMT

In article <4465@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>My first post to this newsgroup, with encouragement from Clare.
>
>Well, some of you have made references to the experiences you've had
>about being asked your nationality. So I'll add my $0.02 worth.
>
>I work at federal gov't research lab, and I'll relate to you what happened
>at my interview for this position. I had just finished my Masters degree
>and was looking for a job of course. My current boss called me in for an
>interview and everything went well, we gabbed for 3 hrs. At the end of
>the interview, he asked me if I was willing to give my Thesis presentation
>to the whole division. Of course I replied affirmatively. At the second
>interview, after my presentation, I was to meet with all of the managers
>at my boss' level individually and their boss, the chief of the division.
>
>I had just finished my hour long presentation and answered questions, and 
>the next thing to do was to meet with the chief. The first question that
>came out of his mouth was, "Are you a US citizen?" I was pretty taken
>aback, but didn't retort anything (something I regret). I'm an asian 
>indian who was born and raised in the US, and shit like this pisses me
>off, but white friends shrug it off like its his job to ask me that 
>question. Who wants to bet that he *never* asks white applicants that 
>question? 
>
>Ron

  That reminds me of some job advice I got from some older Asian
  Americans.  First of all, if you have an English first name
  and a Chinese middle name, don't put your Chinese middle name
  in.

  The reason is that if you put your full name, they might think you're
  not "American" and throw out your resume without looking.

  Secondly, if you don't have an English name.  Get one.  Adopt one
  and use it on your resume.

  George Shen or Bill Chen is perferable over Chen-Chung Shen or Wen-Toh Chen

  Finally, if you marry a non-Asian change your name and use theirs.
  (I didn't follow their advice here).  My mom's cousin says that having
  an American last name is a great advantage (she traded in Lui for
  Jasinski,  I guess she didn't know about the Pollack jokes :0 )
  Her sister traded in Lui for Ott.  Notice that none of these names
  are ye olde English.  But my aunts thought they were more American than Lui.

  Ver important: put in bold text at the top of your resume.  U.S. Citizen
  if you're so lucky to be one.  They said that this will help
  separate your resume from all the Yen-Ping Wang and Shao-Ching Chu
  that are applying for the job.  And also put your birthplace in
  a prominant position so that they won't think you're naturalized.

  I must say that I followed their advice and was able to land two
  jobs at defense contractors.  None of them asked me if I was a citizen
  because they had already screened my resume.  Do people think I'm
  selling out to get a job?
From: kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Dear Abby Letter:  Draft #1
Summary: draft; post or mail comments
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong)
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.42

Okay, here's a first draft.  I've been going through all the postings on
the subject and trying to get an idea of how we feel...

Please post or mail me your comments, suggestions for changes, etc.
Keep in mind the space this has to fit in to be printed.


My comments:
	- I'm not extremely happy with the second paragraph.  Comments?
	- I don't think the "racial harmony" sentence is right.  Should I
		mention Asian-bashing?  What should I say there?

 - kevin

p.s.  Does anyone have the address to write to handy?

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DEAR ABBY:

This is in response to the debate over asking a person's ethnicity.  You
mentioned a man with "Asian features" who was asked "Where are you from?"
He replied, "Cincinnati," and you seemed to imply that he was purposely
avoiding the question, and was offended that someone might ask him his
ethnicity.  This is not necessarily the case!

Asian Americans are generally not offended at all to reveal their ethnicity.
However, Asian Americans are AMERICANS.  So, when an American is asked,
"Where are you from?," the American will think the question is "Where are
you from?," not "What is your ethnicity?," and respond appropriately.

We are worried that your answer reflects a feeling that Asian Americans are
foreign, are different.  This is not the best attitude for racial harmony.

It is important that people realize that Asian Americans are, in fact,
Americans.  If you want to know a person's ethnicity, you should simply
ask!

So, the man who replied "Cincinatti" probably wasn't offended and wasn't
trying to be rude -- he was probably just from Cincinatti.

SCAA,
Readers of the computer network newsgroup, Soc Culture Asian American

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang,606 Meyer,(212)998-7728,                )
Subject: Re: Asian <> Asian-American
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:54:00 GMT

|>  for a visit.  They call her "hua2 chiao2".  Do you know how disconcerting
Hua2 chiao2 refers to those people who hold Chinese citizenship but have
a resident status of other countries (like PR of USA).
Hua2 yi1 refers to those people who have Chinese ancestor but born
outside China and hold other country's citizenship.
Mei3 ji2 hua2 ren2 refers to those who immigrated to the US from China and 
hold US citizenship.

Chinese people distinguish these catogories very precisely, at least in
formal occasions. It's not like somebody has claimed to be.
Chinese people do distingush citizenship from gene, maybe americans 
usually get confused on them. 

As long as something like identification is concerned, it's a bussiness
of both sides, forcing others identify with you makes no sense. 

There is no disscusion about the Olympic Games on this notes at all.
Don't be traped by a problem like "where are you from?"  too long.

Ze Yang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.060929.3714@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu
(Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>Dwight Joe replies:
>>[Mr. Shin asks for an example of a special privilege that the S. Korean
>> gov't is demanding.  Then Mr. Shin writes the following.]
>>
>>>...IMO, Koreans in Japan are special case...
>
>Instead of playing word game with a single sentence, how about giving
>some context?

Word games?

I gave Mr. Shin about as much consideration as he deserved.  He
conveniently deleted my paragraph challenging him to produce 1 single
case of a Korean who has fulfilled the requirements of citizenship
but who was denied citizenship in Japan.

Instead of producing an example, he deleted my paragraph.

  Are you Dwight Joe implying that the presence of most
>of Koreans and their descendents in Japan comes from similar circumstances 
>than other non-Japanese?  

If the Koreans want the rights of Japanese citizens, then they
should become Japanese citizens.  So far, most Koreans in
Japan don't want to become Japanese citizens, but they b*tch
about how much they deserve the rights of citizenship.

Americans, including I, take a dim view to aliens in _this_ country,
who demand the rights of citizenship but refuse to acquire American
citizenship.  Also, African-Americans were originally brought to this country
against their will, but _all_ of the ones who have fought so valiantly
for the rights entitled to all _American_ _citizens_ are _American_
_citizens_.  These African-Americans deserve a bit of respect.
The same is not true of the Koreans in Japan.

The Koreans have hoodwinked the Japanese by exploiting the prejudices
in that part of the world.  But the Koreans won't be able to play
that game in the USA.

If the Koreans, who are _not_ citizens of Japan, don't like the
fair (though harsh) rules in Japan, then they should get the h*ll
out of Japan and go back to Korea.

Korea _is_ a place where the rules are stacked in favor of people on
the basis of ethnicity--in favor of ethnic Koreans, regardless of their
citizenship.

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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:50:28 GMT
	<1992Jul22.172926.23144@u.washington.edu>
	<14ktknINNgtu@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:

   If you think all Asian Americans are upper-middle class, then you need
   to go to Oakland, SF, NY, or wherever you'll see a lot of immigrants
   with kids in gangs and sweatshop jobs. I wouldn't completely ally
   myself with a bunch of White people when I know there are still lots
   of racist White people in this country.

Oh, wake up and smell the coffee, already.  You act like all whites
are upper-middle class, too.  I'll show you some of the fun
neighborhoods round here with white gangs and sweatshops.

Dividing the have-nots against each other based on race is part of how
the haves stay in control.  And people like you play right into their
hands.  

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
From: mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Dear Abby Letter:  Draft #1
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:48:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <24863@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, kevin@daffy.ee.lbl.gov (Kevin Gong) writes:
>DEAR ABBY:
>
>This is in response to the debate over asking a person's ethnicity.  You
>mentioned a man with "Asian features" who was asked "Where are you from?"
>He replied, "Cincinnati," and you seemed to imply that he was purposely
>avoiding the question, and was offended that someone might ask him his
>ethnicity.  This is not necessarily the case!
>
>Asian Americans are generally not offended at all to reveal their ethnicity.
>However, Asian Americans are AMERICANS.  So, when an American is asked,
>"Where are you from?," the American will think the question is "Where are
>you from?," not "What is your ethnicity?," and respond appropriately.
>
>We are worried that your answer reflects a feeling that Asian Americans are
>foreign, are different.  This is not the best attitude for racial harmony.
>
>It is important that people realize that Asian Americans are, in fact,
>Americans.  If you want to know a person's ethnicity, you should simply
>ask!
>
>So, the man who replied "Cincinatti" probably wasn't offended and wasn't
>trying to be rude -- he was probably just from Cincinatti.
>
>SCAA,
>Readers of the computer network newsgroup, Soc Culture Asian American
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>(the above can be the printed version, and we can list all our names on the
>letter we actually send)

Okay Kevin, this is a fairly good first draft.  I think that you're right in
that Asian-bashing should be included in some form, although I'm not sure what
form the comment should take.  I think that we should all list our names and 
cities.  I believe that the impact of the number of names and the locations of
people will show that this is not some small isolated group.
Additionally, I think that some of our members who profess to have great
grammar skills should edit the final draft.  It doesn't support our cause if
the grammar is incorrect.  This is not to flame you in any way.  It is merely
a suggestion since I disagree with a couple sentence structures.  Since I
don't profess to have any grammar skills, I leave it at that.
-- 
Mathew Yee
Now of Amdahl -----> mwy10@cd.amdahl.com
Formerly of UCSB --> upsi1@mcl.ucsb.edu  or  psi1@engrhub.ucsb.edu
Since I work for Amdahl now, all standard disclaimer apply.
Kinda different having to have disclaimers to protect the company.
It used to be that I enjoyed any trouble I caused UCSB since I was getting
	ripped off for tuition.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Degree Envy
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:51:58 GMT

In article <yuan1.712345327@husc9> yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
>clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul28.015531.19318@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>>>How about this:  you can't possibly DATE so and so because he only has a bachelors
>>>degree, i.e. he has no future.  OR she is no good for you because she has a PHD and you only have a bachelors.  
>
>>  Ouch.  I've experienced this.  Older generation Asians usually prescribe
>>  Masters (or Nursing degrees) for girls , and PhD's for boys.  The theory
>>  is that if a girl has a PhD she can't find a husband.  And to that I say
>>  baloney, AA guys don't have this hang-up, although I do admit to meeting
>>  more than one Asian immigrant friend who warned me not to get a PhD because
>>  I'll never get a husband.  Among some Asian immigrant males, a woman with
>>  a PhD in Math is considered a side-show freak!
>
>Double ouch.  I guess I'm lucky to have such an enlightened family, because
>I've never expereienced this kind of sexism (like I said in my other post, my
>parents always wanted me to get a Ph.D).
>
  So did my parents ever since my dad got his when I was three and I
  took his diploma and graduation cap and proudly proclaimed that I
  was going to get one too.  In fact my parents kept reminding me later
  when I felt like quitting, and they made bets to prod me on.

  It's actually the friends I met at Cornell (a few foreign born to
  be exact, and not from the mainland) who thought this way.  But that
  was probably half kidding and half serious.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:50:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.050652.28516@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>Funny, my impression at Stanford was that it wasn't an Asian thing; it
>was a liberal-arts thing (Asian-American or not).  I attributed this
>to the fact that the liberal-arts people frequently held writing
>implements, whereas the techies knew better than to try twirling
>19" monitors...
>						--Alan Hu

Interesting ... when I was first introduced to it, it was a math goon
kinda thing to do. But then, math goons tend to spend their lives 
holding writing implements too. :)

-leon.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Racial Sexual Stereotypes
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:44:39 GMT


In article <BroyBv.6HE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
!
!Oh yeah?  Well I heard from MY friends in California that the reason
!that white males only last ten minutes is that they always
!deliver such a sizzling performance that after about fifteen minutes the
!woman tends to explode from ectasy.  Everybody knows that white guys

Yeah, right!  I'll give you credit, though, for making up a good excuse 8-).

!are more caring than other guys, and we show it by stopping at ten
!minutes to protect our lovers.  Hell, a lot of us even stop after
!three minutes, just because we are so caring!

Oh boy! Alot of girls I know who have AM boyfriends think the guys are SOOO
caring..  What you are implying is that white guys are alot more caring that
XXXXX guys.  You're pretty pathetic... I hear on the news everyday about men
(all happen to be white so far) battering their wives and even killing them.
No, I'm not trying to say all white men are like that, but when you make
generalizations such as "EVERYBODY knows white guys are more caring than
other guys" then you'll most likely get yourself in some heated discussion
during your lifetime.  Also, you're implying that caring is related to _race_.

Gary




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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: There's racism, and then there's RACISM (was Re: Racial preferences in choosing your mate)
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:10:26 GMT
	<1992Jul21.235801.14425@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
	<1992Jul22.194123.16009@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
	<14kuegINNh1r@agate.berkeley.edu>
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   judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:

   Hey Jim, nothing personal, but racism is the belief that one race is
   superior over another. I don't think mongoloids (*cringe*) are
   _superior_ to caucasoids.

Hey Judy, nothing personal, but this is so much hair-splitting and
semantic games.  You clearly believe that "caucasoids" are inferior to
"mongoloids" as marriage partners for "mongoloids".

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA)
Subject: Re: FOBs/Oreos/Twinkies/etc.
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:42:19 GMT

Every so often, conflict does exist between the two groups (American born
Asians, and first generation Americans).  I'm sure there are lots of 
people who say this isn't true, that everything is A.O.K.  This is a
very valid point and it is probably true too.

But at the same time, I am sure lots of people might say that either 
disagreement, misunderstandings, conflicts, exist, and it is very definitely
present.  I was hoping that people could shed more light on the topic.
Only in places where a relatively large group of Asian-Ams, and Asians
can you see a little bit of this going on.

Sometimes, the conflict isn't necessarily hostile, but it is based on mis-
understanding.  For example, in one particular subgrouping of Asians (am or
not) in America, the American born would brand others as elitists, cliquish,
(for grouping to each other too much, speaking languages they don't 
understand, etc.), etc.  While the first-generation MAY call the others
"too-American" (never heard anyone say this term.)

Because of this conflict, terms like FOB, Twinkies, Bananas, Oreos, were
created.  I was really curious about real life experiences here...

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon [CORRECTION!]
Keywords: good movie, 2 thumbs up!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:30:26 GMT

I must apologize for posting this twice.  I made a grave error at the
bottom of this post.

In article <1992Jul23.025730.1522@dazixca.ingr.com> cristina@dazixca.ingr.com
(Cristina Ungstad Yu) writes:
>...
>my question, what does all this cu stuff mean, as in chinese-cu?
>
>-cristina yu

Chinese-cu = Chinese in the CUltural sense
Chinese-ge = Chinese in the GEnetic sense; i.e. ethnically Chinese
Chinese-ci = Chinese in the sense of CItizenship; i.e. citizen of China

Note that a French-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge[1].

Also, Chinese-cu idiots tend to think that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge;
hence, according to them, a French-ge person can never really be
Chinese-cu.  Chinese-cu idiots believe that genes (i.e. ethnicity)
determine culture.

It's a twisted, disgusting, racist view that many Chinese-cu idiots
believe.  It's a view shared by rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis.

However, Taiwanese-cu are less inclined to this idiotic view.  I had a pleasant
chat with a Taiwanese-cu lady, and she believes (like me) that a
person is free to choose whatever culture she/he wishes.  Furthermore,
people (like Chinese-cu idiots) who tell others the culture with
which they "should" identify are just morons.

By the way, she tells me that she intends to learn the Japanese language
in the future.  She also tells me that one of her relatives (uncle, I think)
was locked in prison by the KMT Chinese-cu gov't on Taiwan; the "crime"
was daring to voice his opinion.

Ahhh.  The "wonders" of Chinese-cu thought...

[1] I agree with people who say that -ge is pointless because all
humans are derived from a common origin in Africa.  That, however,
is not the way in which the Chinese-cu idiots view the matter.  They
view Chinese-ge people as a distinct _racial_ group--distinct even
from the Koreans and the Japanese.

Given that moronic reasoning, we can use my notation to rip apart
their other cherished but racist notion that genes determine 
ethnicity.
^^^^^^^^^

CORRECTION!:

That should read, "
Given that moronic reasoning, we can use my notation to rip apart
their other cherished but racist notion that genes determine 
culture."
^^^^^^^

I apologize for this mistake.

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