From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bob's bashing of Penn State
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:10:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep3.013356.17720@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.172639.13425@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep1.225549.14128@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:

Between this article and my response to Michael Kelley I'll bury my
discussion on the current topic.

> >
> >John, you're taking two different tacts here.  Drunkenness is a problem,
> >some of your post seems to recognize this; the rest denies it. Statements
> >like "hardly hurting anyone at the time" and "never was a loud drunk"
> >shows no understanding of alcholism.  The guy was removed from the team 
> >and placed in rehab when?  After he was arrested a few times?
> 
> A few times?  I lived in State College at the time and he was brought in
> once by the University police when they found him sitting on a curb at
> 3 am.  He was never charged.  It was such a shock since he just won the starting
> QB job and just came off a great outing against Temple.  Even his team-mates
> were in disbelief (or did Joe stage that too).

I remember tis kid getting into alcholol problems a few times over
a period of a couple of years.  Is that wrong?  Can anyone else
substantiate this either for or against?

> 
> If you think Paterno is wrong for placing a kid with a drinking problem
> in rehab, preventing contact with the media during press conferences 
> until he has his life together, rallying peer support for him then
> so be it. 

John, this post and the previous one constantly puts words and
thoughts attributed to me that you make up.  All of the above is
right and honerable,  I wish it didn't have to go so far
until something is done.

> 
> >I'll look for the article I read.  It said they were allowed to continue
> >practicing with the team along with other players who had "disciplinary
> >decisions pending" or similar phraseology.
> 
> If a player has not been legaly charged by any court, is not out on bail,
> did not violate university/team rules... then why should he be suspended?

Because they were caught with the goods at 3 a.m. leaving the
apartments with stolen merchandise.  Now maybe a slick lawyer
can convince a jury they were returning these items but the head
coach should get to the bottom of this QUICK.

A question.  Did the players confess?  Does Joe need more than
a confession to do something?  Apparently, Paterno suspended them
after letting them practice for a day.  Was Paterno wrong is sus-
pending them; or wrong for waiting a day; or not wrong in anything?

> A reporter sees a football player in a police car doesn't constitute
> a violatation. Paterno has suspended starters thru scrubs in the past
> but doesn't because of the ever biased east coast media.

I believe the bias has shifted to the Gulf Coast.  8-)
> 

> Let's see,
> I heard about the Tom Bill drinking problem on ESPN
> I heard about Sayles and Engram on CNN college Football gameday.
> going back a ways I remember the press reporting on Pete Harris' suspensions
> along with suspentions to Frank Case, Booker Moore,...

I'm not sure I follow.  Is this your scenario of my news input
or your news input?  If mine, it's not too good.  Sports info
I get from the papers.

> 
> Seeing that you don't follow Penn State but know about such things, 
> I guess you get your news from the media after all :)

I follow Penn State closer than you think, but through the media as
you suspect.

>   
> John L
> 


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