HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: Re: The day the sun quit shining
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:33:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.221659.14809@walter.cray.com> jce@ferris.cray.com  
(John Ellsworth) writes:
> 
>    Our ten minutes are up. Time to get to work.
> 
> John.
> jce@cray.com
no. i get 2 days
 feeling better now
:)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton
From: wdp@gagme.chi.il.us (Bill Pfeiffer)
Subject: Clinton e-mail address (was Re: Internet and the Prez)
Originator: wdp@gagme
Keywords: Let's ask!
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:33:59 GMT

If anyone is interested, this is the official e-mail for the clinton campaign.

Whether or not it is still applicable, I dont know.  But it would be a good 
place to send our ideas for a more extensive info network.

75300.3115@compuserve.com


William Pfeiffer
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: larryt@crchh80c.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Larry Truesdale)
Subject: Re: alt.politics.united
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:45:29 GMT

Perhaps it should be called alt.politics.united.we.stand.  It would be less
ambiguous although longer.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: Clinton
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 22:24:18 GMT

In article <1denkiINNa25@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> jovanovic-nick@cs.yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.161014.12471@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov5.020543.4009@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>>>Just as well, as he's a proven liar. Is this the same GHWB that voted
>>>against Civil Rights in the 60's?
>>
>>You are a proven liar, buddy. Bush never did any such thing.
>
>Well, it is a fact that Bush campaigned against the Civil Rights Act of 
>1964 during his campaign for the Senate.  He lost, and afterwards stated
>that he took positions too far to the right and expressed hope that he
>would never do that again.  Well, he didn't learn his lesson after all.
>Anyway, Bush was for maintaining segregation in Texas in 1964.  Luckily,
>he didn't get to cast a vote in the Senate.
>
>-Nick Jovanovic
>

Thanks Nick for confirming the position Bush took on this in the 60's. 
Patrick nearly convinced that Bush was a liberal :-)
From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: ELEC COLL
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:20:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

No one has really hit the answer I've been looking for...

The current system moves the distribution of 436 E.V. (seats) in
the congress based on the density of population in each of 52 states.

This is suppose to equalize representation of people per state which
it does.   

Now...to parallel the problem in congress with the problem in schools.
There are more kids per educated teacher.  The lower the ratio, the
better student/teacher relationship.  IE: if a student is having a
particular difficulty in an area, the teacher can spend some extra
time to help bring this (one or two) students up to speed with the
rest.  But as it stands, the one or two students get lost when the
ratio extends past the means of the teacher.

Back to congress, we only have 436 people representing the US as
a whole and cannot treat the one or two people that get left out.
Where one seat represented thousands of people, they are now representing
tens or hundreds of thousands of people.   This is outragous.  

Solution:  Find a way to at least represent people to at least 1:100
	   ratio.   Either by increasing the # of seats in congress
	   or creating another system of X number of representatives,
	   1 per 100 that will be an extension of Congress.

	   UWSA has already found a ratio of 1 to 5.  Thus this
	   extension could be a single representative from each
	   organization.  National Coordinator.

	   IE: UWSA would probably serve as a communicative device
	       to the 436 people in Congress.

*** 436 may not be the the actual number, if it is not then
	correct it in your mind ***
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From: carlp@uts.amdahl.com (Carl J. Palowitch)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Moving Ahead...
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:27:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

For those of you who wish to continue in the grand
experiment of forming a third party...

I just finished talking with my local perot office.
There are meetings occuring in all 50 states as to
the direction/action to take. I encourage everyone
to contact their local office and express your
support. Ask how you might become involved and give
your opinions. There will be additional meetings
in Dallas also.

Call your local office! Hmmmm - maybe I should
get a list for my area (San Francisco Bay Area)
and post it here.  In a few days.....

Carl

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From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Internetters: Vote Perot for OUR Future!
Date: 4 Nov 1992 16:22:37 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1d9c2rINNa2g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov () writes:
>In article <1d6mm9INNifu@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>>
>Yeah, I guess he has no idea what he's been pushing for several
>years on the Senate science and technology committee...
>
>didn't know he was involved with such things? perhaps you should
>read before you flame...
>

I read the post quoting Gore's comments on computers and
networking. I plan to read any suggestions that come my
way, WRT his involvement in this subject.

Here's my impression of his position so far:

"Yeah... We like fast nets. Well, maybe a little slower ones
for the schoolkids. You can access a supercomputer over a
fast net." Lots of fluff, and very little detail.

Since that's all I've seen, I find his comments insulting.
I feel like he's trying to pander to what he thinks is just
another "include me!" group. Please, please post some refer-
ences to networking papers (not marketing hype) that were
written by Al Gore. I'd like to believe that he's not just
patronizing, but I don't right now.

-- Mike

-----------------------------------------------------------
My opinion - not my employer's
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: Re: Internet and the Prez
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:52:13 GMT

Here Here.....I agree.  I think that the internet provides a unique
opportunity for the administration to stay "in touch" with the people.
I, for one, would like to see the text of bills getting passed, and
who passed them, etc.  

  Matt Appler
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From: mccarty@add.itg.ti.com (Rick McCarty)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:01:32
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cuda.add.itg.ti.com
In-reply-to: Steve Freedkin's message of 06 Nov 92 17:55 PST

In article <1676000018@igc.apc.org> Steve Freedkin <sfreedkin@igc.apc.org> writes:

   >The latest on the news is that United We Stand might register as a political
   >action committee -- that's right, a PAC.

   >BOO BO BUP -- We're sorry, but isn't that what Perot was running AGAINST?

Sometimes the best (or even only) way to win is to beat someone at their
own game...
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
From: gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar)
Subject: Re: FROM PEROT VOTER -- CONGRATULATIONS BILL
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:58:20 GMT

The only good I see in Clinton winning is that 4 years from now you could not
vote a democrat in for garbage collector!

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cah@tyr.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: UNITED WE STAND MASCOT ISSUE
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:54:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.145020.2080@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>   *-Greetings to Perot supporters and United We Stand advocators-*
> ***********************                    ***************************
> I think that since the UNITED WE STAND campaign is turning itself
> into a political organization, it's time we of the internet take
> time to pause and reflect.....
> 
> 	What would be a good mascot?
> 
> The Democrats have the 'ass'  B^) (sorry, couldn't resist that) while
> the Republicans have the lumbering elephant.  OK...
> 
> Now, the first thing that comes to my mind, is, of course, the oyster.

The first thing that comes to my mind is a copyrighted cartoon character
who wears three-fingered gloves and bears a striking resemblance to 
Mr. Perot himself.  This would create (1) instant recognition of the
large-eared profile so USWA, Inc supporters would support the
organization, (2) instant recognition of the high-picthed squeaking
common to both this character and the other character, and (3) instant
recognition that such a party would truly be the "Mickey Mouse" party
in the common sense of the word.

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the only thing that speaks the truth is the eloquence of passing time
               the spoken word is a jacket too tight
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: Re: EDS Personel Policies
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:20:27 GMT

In article <3675@news.cerf.net> cjk@nic.cerf.net writes:
>In article <2AFDF78F.23670@news.service.uci.edu> stieglit@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeff Stieglitz) writes:
>>I've heard that EDS has quite a personel policy handbook which governs 
>>employee behavior and dress.
>>
>So does IBM, DEC, ATT, HP, SLB, ML.  In fact a personel policy
>is just about standard issue with any company you work for.  And
>they generly reflect the character and attitude of the
>company and its employees.  If your looking for dirt,
>you won't find anything hear.

Many companies have guidelines.  I worked with EDS on a project
(I was working for a unit of ITT at the time) and the EDS guys 
and gals were a pretty nice, sharp groups of people.  They dressed
well and represented their firm well during business hours, partied
after hours with the best of them and wore jeans and t-shirts into
the office on the weekend just like everyone else.  So what's the
problem?  

Anyone who thinks that the EDS corporate policies are unusual
has never worked with IBM (pre 1989 IBM). Or Sperry, or any of
the large insurance companies like AEtna or The Hartford.  Are
they the dress standards that I would set?  No, but that doesn't
make them wrong.  

Doug
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Clint & UWSA
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:32:23 GMT

In article <Nov.13.11.03.20.1992.1404@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak) writes:
> Alright...the first press conference was given by Clinton.  I'm
> impressed by his acknoledgement that he will not give into
> party lines for these four years.   Hey, talk is cheap. 
> 
> I think this is a 'attempt' to disband the 19M UWSA 'citizen lobby' 
> by now saying everything will not have political motivation and is 
> motivated by the people.  A new "Code of Ethics"?

So if he were to implement everything Perot wanted, would you call
it an attempt to 'disband' (??) UWSA?  Looks like a lose-lose
situation to me.  Why don't you support him for doing what you
wanted, for heaven's sake?

Also, just because 19M voted for Ross doesn't mean UWSA has 19M
members.  How many voted for John Anderson in 1984?  Wallace in 1972?
Answer = 0.

> Show a good sense of strength now, yeah, we 'canned' the person looking
> in passport files and then go status-quo.   Petty action, but
> significant to act like something is being done.   Nothing to
> do with anything we want done.  Clean out government corruption...
> egads...there's lots more where that came from.

This is Bush's cover-up.  He's still President, in case you hadn't
noticed.

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the only thing that speaks the truth is the eloquence of passing time
               the spoken word is a jacket too tight
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From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: FROM PEROT VOTER -- CONGRATULATIONS BILL
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:20:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T

gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar) writes:
>The only good I see in Clinton winning is that 4 years from now you could not
>vote a democrat in for garbage collector!

Yeah, but that's because the Republicans will have the power of incumbency
working for them in those jobs.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Schiavi)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Perot/UnitedWeStand HQ number-address?
Date: 4 Nov 1992 21:17:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: radgumbo.corp.sun.com

I'd be interested if anyone could provide the address
and/or FAX number for the Headquarters for Perot/UnitedWeStand.

Thanks,

---
     
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 Sun Microsystems  415-336-1647    
 Mountain View,CA    


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: lestrade@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Patrick Lestrade)
Subject: Re: PEROT '96 !!!! (maybe sooner...)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:53:47 GMT

cah@pavonis.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell) writes:

>In article <92309.121709MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MJB151@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> Well fellow Ross followers..  We have met our untimely end.. or have we?  Clint
>> on hasn't been inaugarated yet!  Let's get even crazier and riot in the streets
>> !!!  Or we could be a little more civic about this, and petition and scream, an

>Dear Mike,
>Grow up.  Or wake up and smell the coffee.  Or arsenic, or whatever
>you like.  You lost, and you're pissed.  Fine.  Fortunately Perot is
>taking it a lot better than you are.

>You know, even though you have to go through all those shots, the
>cure for rabies is worth it.

Don't let them get you down, Mike.  There are a lot of us that feel that
the country blew it.  We're not pissed (to quote Allen) -- just
amazed that so many voters could be so wrong.  Hang in there, Ross will
be back.

--
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cnesta::lestrade                       Let's try again in '96!
lestrade@ra.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner)
Subject: Re: Electoral College
Organization: Motorola SPS - Tempe, AZ
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:17:41 GMT

In article <BxItyG.6y1@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e  
kist) writes:
> I say let's get rid of the system. Why the need for Electoral Voters? 
> I'm sure that our tax money is in some way squandered on the people that 
> cast the votes. After all, don't they have to travel to D.C. to vote?


No. 
The electors go to their state's capital to cast their vote. 
The results are then sent to Washington, DC, where they are opened and  
read by the President of the Senate (i.e. the Vice-President).

- jeff


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A'S * SHARKS * WARRIORS * RAIDERS | Don't blame me...I voted PEROT!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: DC Perot vote
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:25:40 GMT

aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu writes (to me personally):

>  The majority of politicos vote in their "home" districts.  The voters in DC are
>  predominantly poor black liberals.

How many representatives in DC?  100 senators & ~500 congress-critters.  How many
staff people per congress-critter?  LOTS!  How many bureaucrats in government jobs?
LOTS & LOTS.

Anyone in DC (or not) care to give some statistics on how many people in DC
owe their livelihood to goverment jobs, or spouses/parents with government
jobs?

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Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: ********
Originator: jjprice@c00081-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:44:19 GMT


Hello,

I am a student at N.C State If anyone has any info on a third party funded
by Perot (?) please let me know I would be willing to donate time
and effort into getting it to work at N.C State. I also have many
friends that suproted Perot and would like to see another party based
on political an economic reform and economic reform.

Jeff Price

Perot '96

Please E-Mail me at jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
From: lenh@mail.isc-br.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: (REPOST) alt.politics.united.we.stand (EASIER TO VIEW)
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:29:41 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.

In article <9211041602.aa12412@q2.ics.uci.edu> artreyes@ics.uci.edu ("Arthur A.
Reyes") writes:
>
>I support the creation of the "alt.politics.united(.we.stand.america)"
>newsgroup.
>
>Perhaps Perot '92/UWS Headquarters in Dallas could moderate the
>newsgroup to ensure that we have accurate, up-to-date information.  Do
>they have a USENET/INTERNET/ARPANET/*NET connection?  If not, I'm sure
>that Ross could negotiate a good deal for them.

This mode of communication should be as widely available as possible. Does
anyone know if bulk mailings can go through a compuserve (or America Online or
GEnie, etc.) gateways as a single message, or if that sort of commuication can
go from a usenet forum to a compuserve forum? That would eliminate the need for
a mail list and lots of net traffic. 

>I recommend that we keep the string ".united.we.stand" in the
>newsgroup's name.  I believe that this string will catch people's
>attention when their newsreader software asks them if they wish to
>subscribe.  Agreed?

YES, except it might be better as simply "alt.united.we.stand", as this group
may not be a completely ".political" forum.

>By the way, what is the procedure to create a new newsgroup?  Please
>give us instructions.

Probably in "news.*" groups somewhere.

>After we create the new newsgroup, would it be a good idea to dissolve
>the alt.politics.perot newsgroup?

 Yes. It serves no purpose if "*.united.we.stand" is formed.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: 90% Check-Bouncers
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:41:54 GMT


In article <Bx77H5.2p1@rice.edu>, 
byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) said:

> Did you know that 90% of the check bouncers from the house who were
> up for re-election were re-elected?

Did you know that 90% of zero is zero?

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: How to Contact United We Stand
Reply-To: subscribe@xamiga.linet.org 
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:24:41 GMT


	Is there a newsgroup for United We Stand? I grep'd the list and 
found nothing.


	BTW, we now have auto-subscription for our United We Stand mailing
list. To subscribe, send the following:



#united username@domain;



	...in the body of the text, and that is it! For example, try
emailing as:

#united hrperot@eds.com;


	The semi-colon is not necessary, but if you are the last one 
on the list and the EOF marker just happens to be right there, then you 
will not be signed up (but this is being fixed).

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