HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gao@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Chinese ETEN Software. 
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:58:43 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: gao@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Oct9.044222.27679@samba.oit.unc.edu>  Denny.Chuang@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Denny Chuang) writes:
> >
> > I don't want to sound dumb but what is Eten? Is it a BBS software, terminal
> > program? My wife is Taiwanese and we may be interested.
> >
> >                                         Randy
>  
>         Tell you what I have receive only one order so far.
> From my 20+ mails all of people are asking me to explain what ETEN is and some
> are asking about the improvements over the older versions.  If you read
> my message you'll get a very basic idea on what ETEN can do for you.
>  
>         Okay, let me start telling you about this ETEN software.  ETEN is a
> software package that runs on PC and its compatibles. A hard disk is
> recommanded. It supports VGA EGA & MONO monitors.  User can enter Chinese
> Character by many different input method.  It supports many popular DOS
> applications like Lotus, Dbase, Word and many other Programs.  For my purpose
> I'm using it to run a communication program so that after loading ETEN software
> users can call up my BBS and view Chinese Character on my BBS and they can
> write messages to communicate with other people in Chinese language.
> running Lotus and would like to enter some names under Chinese
> You may also save your files in Chinese Characters, however if you don't
> use ETEN you may not be able to recall it by using English letters.  In
> general ETEN is a very popular Chinese System used in Taiwan.  If your
> wife know how to write chinese character then it might be very helpful
> for her to write letters or type documents in Chinese.
>         I hope my explaination answers your question.
>  
> * The group discount ends on 10/25 (Sunday). Right now, I still need about
> 6 more people.  If you are interested in getting a copy please let me know
> ASAP.
>  

    There is another popular Chinese editor software called Xia Li Ba Ren (common people).
It is used for the magaze China Spring and many other publishers.

    I can provide more information if you are interested. Or I can give you the company address,
it's called UniTech in NJ, so that you can write or call them.

KeJia Gao
IBM Research
gao@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:52:31 GMT

In article <wep8wzK00VpaECLF0q@andrew.cmu.edu> ws22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wenjun Sun) writes:
>This is 'netnews.soc.culture.china', why should the Japanese stir the
>mess in this net? They have their own 'netnews.soc.culture.japan',

Some people just don't get it. This is not a place for *Chinese* to have
discussions, it's a place for *everyone" to discuss Chinese culture. A
similar comment can be made for soc.culture.japan.

You make it seem like the Chinese *own* this newsgroup, and if a Japanese
posted here that would be like Japan trying to occupy China again! Get a
grip. 

In my opinion, and it's just an opinion, I haven't talked to any Japanese
about this, is that they know that everything they say about China will be
interpreted as some sort of plan to recapture China. For example, any time
any foreigner mentions the possibility of China being separated (for example
like the Soviet Union), lots of Chinese here interpret that as an admission
that the foreigner *wants* China to be separated. 

So I can imagine that any opinion expressed by a Japanese that wasn't 
apologetic and remorseful would generate a burst of flames peppered with
cursing and hatred. Who needs that?

It's true that there are a lot of Chinese who post here who would *not* do
that, and who would treat Japanese contributers fairly and with respect,
but, again in my opinion, they are in the minority.

>and a
>lot of Americans post messages over there (it seems that more Americans
>than Japanese over there). Metioning Americans, long time ago, there was
>a 'Scott Horne' in this china-land, but not any more, maybe he found
>another way to kill his time, or just got a girl friend :) Hardly see
>any more american friends in this net now :(


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lieqiu@alfred.carleton.ca (Liebin Qiu)
Subject: looking for Miss Qi Ming (coming from Beijing)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:11:27 GMT


If you know Miss qi Ming, a Chinese student now studying in U.S.A.,
please tell me his address by email, or tell her my information:

Qiu Liebin
36E - 1411 Morisset ave.
Ottawa, ont., Canada K1Z 8H3
email: lieqiu@ccs.carleton.ca 

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rgong@bingham.utah.edu (Ruoming Gong)
Subject: Re: telephone area codes for cities in China
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.113523.3639@memstvx1.memst.edu> szhao@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>Dear friends,
>
>If you have wanted to find the telephone area codes for cities in China, here
>they are. The codes were provided by tang@cns.nyu.edu (Chao Tang). If you have
>any updates to the list, please contact: 
>
>7681 Chaozhou		7682 Jiangmen		771  Nanning
>772  Liuzhou		773  Guilin		777  Qinzhou
>779  Beihai		7892 Hepu		791  Nanching
                                                ***************
>811  Chongqing		813  Zigong		815  Wenjiang
>816  Mianyang		817  Nanchong		8241 Deyang

The 791 Nanching should be 791 Nanchang. Believe me, I have been using this
code a lot. Thanx for the post anyway.


R. Gong, a Nanchangese in Salt Lake City.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: I cannot have my people feel hopeless
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:53:20 GMT

In article <2ADE10C4.3791@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> -------->begin included message
> 
> To: yeh@netix.com
> 
> Shannon,
> 
> I admire your courage to speak out against those selfish CSS taking 
> advantage of 6/4.  There are a lot of attacks against you on the net, 
> but we support you all the way.  Your action keeps my hope for my 
> people alive.
> 
> Thank you and my best regards,
> 
> Zhao
> 


Shannon:

I admire your courage to speak out against those selfish CSS taking 
advantage of 6/4.  There are a lot of attacks against you on the net, 
but we support you all the way.  Your action keeps my hope for my 
people alive.
 
Thank you and my best regards,
 
Wang
 

-------

Shannon:

I admire your courage to speak out against those selfish CSS taking 
advantage of 6/4.  There are a lot of attacks against you on the net, 
but we support you all the way.  Your action keeps my hope for my 
people alive.
 
Thank you and my best regards,
 
Zhang
 

-------



Shannon:

I admire your courage to speak out against those selfish CSS taking 
advantage of 6/4.  There are a lot of attacks against you on the net, 
but we support you all the way.  Your action keeps my hope for my 
people alive.
 
Thank you and my best regards,
 
Li

--------
 

Shannon:

I admire your courage to speak out against those selfish CSS taking 
advantage of 6/4.  There are a lot of attacks against you on the net, 
but we support you all the way.  Your action keeps my hope for my 
people alive.
 
Thank you and my best regards,
 
Chen
 
---------


Shannon, Why not show us (or fake) more e-mails you receiced that support you.
I believe you can fake 100 e-mails during the same time you prepare a post of  
Chinese characters. That's called a smart way of thinking.

Carl
From: zhuang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS ******* 
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:53:13 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Oct12.180853.25414@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
> 	On 9/9/92, the GM (General Motors) Company started issuing a new
> GM MasterCard.  No annual fee.  GM MasterCard also gives you 5% credit 
> to purchase GM cars.  There is a 1-800 phone number to apply for the credit
> card.  If anybody has this phone number, please send it to me:
> 
> 		JLI@MINES.UTAH.EDU
> 
> If you know any other financial institutions who issue VISA/MASTERCARD with
> no annual fees, please let me know. 
> 

The number is 1-800-947-1000

You may also try AT&T's Universal card. Their number is 
 1-800-423-4343

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Lei Feng, mirror and mirror breakers(was: Re: Learn from Lei Feng)
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.155905.11848@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>
>I would rather believe in God instead of Lei Feng. This is because I know Lei  
>Feng is a faked image by CCP, while nobody know if there is really a GOD and  
>even CCP can not prove there is not.
>

--- Nobody told you to "believe" Lei Feng. "Believe" is a word for some
imaginary things like gods. 
You first say you do not "believe" (the image of) Lei Feng.
Then you say because Lei Feng is a image.
--- I don't think this is the first time someone uses circulating logic.
BTW: This is not the first time someone sells the story that Lei Feng is faked 
image. 

>He is not a mirror. If someone really want to regard Lei Feng as a mirror, then  
>he is a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 where people get distort images and make fun.
>
>Carl

---The distortion is the mismatch between the shape in the viewer's brain and
the shape seen in the mirror. Therefore, viewer's brain is another source
of the distortion when he feels that he is in good shape.
Tang2 Tai4 Zong1 was used to complain Wei4 Zheng1 distorted his image and
then he found all human mirrors are flat and the only distortion comes from
viewer's brain.
However, his friend, Zhu1 8 Jie4 (The Pig King? better translation needed),
says every mirror in the world is a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 and tried to break all the
mirrors in the world.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.122111.23706@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
> 
> >But here, the Hu Lu, and Xiong Nu are minority groups. Someone might
> >find the prove that the war was just an independent movement. (we are
> >quite familiar in CSS) And that is the reason Yue Fei was an ultra
> >leftest, or rightest? I'm not sure which side.
> 
> I think at that time they tryed to unite with China in a violent way. There  
must
> be some benifits to them. For this reason, we can not let them go after they
> got the benifits. And what bothers me is what if they use that way again.


Are you suggesting that CCP tried to unite China and Taiwan in the same way as  
Hu Lu (actually, Nuu Zhen minority) did in the past to get some benifits? Wow!  
then DDP should be regarded as hero as Yue Fei by some (if not many) Taiwanese.  
Is DDP hero, or ultra-leftest, or ultra-rightest, or just like some historical  
phenonmena that complicated people's real purpose of pursuing freedom and  
happiness? 


Carl
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Who is this guy?
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:38:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Who is this guy Shannon Yeh? Does any one know his background? What are the 
motivations behind his actions? He seems to be a jerk but he is, I must
admit, a courageous one(someone else may use the word "stupid"). Does anyone
know him personally or know this person indirectly? His actions are a bit
incomprehensible. Maybe some background may help us understand his behaviour.
By the way, is Shannon Yeh his real name? 
ZZZ
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From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:30:34 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct16.163854.24202@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>It is not fine.
>It was in the assertive way you presented it in the first mail.
>Rumors are rumors and should not be used as facts.
>If you do not have proof, say so, like "I heard from ... and maybe ...".
>
	I DID in a previous post and got flamed for it also, happy now?

>First of all, I never call anyone names on the net like ass-licker and
>I hesitated sending out this reply because I did not want to get involved
>in this level of name calling.

	neither have I and I don't plan to either.  Where did you see me
calling anyone an ass-kisser?  *I* was the one called an ass-kisser.

>Please, your "dicked" phrase is not only unnecessary but also distorting.

	dick (vb) means to screw over.  And yes, we did get screwed over by
Chiang.  First we got massacred then we got brainwashed for a couple decaces.
Back in high school I experienced a surge of nationalism and wrote history
papers defending his actions, but I'm not so hot about defending him anymore.

>Just do not use the rumor of some japanese thing to get on him.

	if the "rumor" is related then I'll say it.

>Let me stress it again, please take it as an advice,
>
>(1) Do not loss you cool and sink to the level of name calling.
>(2) State facts or just say I heard it and maybe ... on any sensitive issues.

	read the above s'il vous plais ^^^



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From: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Please FAX this letter to George Bush
Date: 9 Oct 1992 04:20:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: wub@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bin Wu)
NNTP-Posting-Host: yellow.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <2AD3D8CA.4721@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon  
Yeh) writes:
> To: President George Bush
> RE: Bill S1216
>   Bu4Xue2Wu2Shu4.


What is his fax number ? (1-800-FAX-BUSH ???)
Just kidding .

Go White-Sox, Da Bulls, Cubs Win, Cubs Win.
From: lzheng@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (lian zheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Teaching in China:Info needed
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:40:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BvttrC.7w4
Organization: Indiana University


Teaching English In China:
==========================

When I was a gradute student at the Graduate School of the Chinese
Academy of Sciences (the address: 19A Yu-Quan Lu ST.,  Beijing,
China), I heared that very often the school could not find enough 
americans to teach English.   Every year the school is looking for 
native speakers from the american students who are studying at China 
to fill the positions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:26 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:44:00 GMT

          One thing I miss in the U.S. is xiao ren shu (XRS).
          Here are my favorate ones:

          1.  3 guo2 yan3 yi4;  I especially enjoy the five tiger
          generals, and I spent long time trying to figure out how
          they ranked in terms of wu3 yi4.  The result is like this:

              Luu3 bu4
              Ma3 chao1
              Guan1 yu3
              Zhao4 yun2
              Zhang1 fei1
              Huang2 zhong1

          2.  Yue4 fei1 zhuan4;  In terms of wu3 yi4 the following
          people impressed me the most:

              Gao1 chong3 who play a spear
              Yang4 zai4 xing4, another spear user
              Yue4 yun2 who uses hammers

          I frankly don't like Yue Fei.  I think he often times became
          very soft to the king and jian1 chen2.  His early days
          impressed me the most when he went through all sorts of
          tests and became a general.  Once he did, he became a
          conservative republican :-).

          3.  Shui3 hu3 and the West Tour;  I like the painting of the
          serie the most.  The cloth look like Song dynasty.

          Anyway, xrs is my best time killer.  If I have XRS at hand,
          I can forget everything in the world.  I propose jin1 yong1
          to draw all his stories.

          Oh, Xiao3 ren2 shu1,  huang3 ru2 ge2 shi4.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:46:04 GMT

In article <ld8ukiINNrio@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <BvsA6C.LD3@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>>People under rock are much better off than those under P.
>>>The rock cares much more about education (30% budget goes to education).
>>>
>>Would you explain what does "rock" mean. I'm slightly confused about the
>>whole paragraph. (China doesn't have 30% budget for education) Sometimes
>>we see girl scouts selling cookies here. It shows that US doesn't have
>>30% for education too.
>>
>Of course the P's doesn't care about education. Many US studied scholars
>had to stay many years in labor/re-education camp to waste human resources.

About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
budget place. Something got to be wrong.

Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
after his visiting. Maybe the 30% is spent to the people only know how
to put out a lot of lies and showing unbelievable ignorance. In that
case, even 100% won't help.
>
>According to ROC constitution, the education budget needs to share 30%
>or so. Please surrend your tuition for this lecture to SOS education fund.:-)
>ROC, isn't that pronounced rock?
>
Thanks for the explanation.
BTW, I believe that Taiwan has a high percentage for defence. Although
it is understandable.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:46:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.054042.8908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu  
(Chang-ning Qu) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.220438.26658@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)  
writes:
> >> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> >> 
> >> >>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
> >> 
> >> >What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
> >> >needs neither of them.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.
> >
> >Yes, there are always these two kinds of people, ultra-leftests and  
> >ultra-rightests, just like there are always beggars, prostitutes and  
> >religiously crazy people in a society. But this does not mean these people  
are  
> >the treasure of a society.
> >
> >Carl
> 
> 
>     Another nonsense from Carl since he mixed good and bad as a
> stuff. Don't be "wan2 shi4 bu4 gong1" (seeing everything is bad
> and wrong). Patriot and traitor are not so called ultra-leftests
> or ultra-rightests, not to mention comparing with beggars, prostitutes
> and religiously crazy people(real nonsense). If this Carl's logical
> ability alright? (I read many his postings and found him almost
> always using toggling logic (i.e. NOT in Boolean algebra) to
> the points that most people think to be right and expressing the same
> or agreements to those strange and garbage-like postings). I don't want
> giving prescription to this guy, but one thing I am going to 
> remind you who is hero, who is funk, who is good, who is bad,
> people will have their judgment. 


Hey, Do you know a lot of patriot CSS in this net zealously claim that Tibet  
and Inner Mongolia parts of China (possibily true) and the Tibetans and  
Mogolians are Chinese. So, tell me how Yue Fei showed his patriotism by  
fighting ruthlessly against Nuu Zhen minority in the north to save an already  
dacayed Southern Song Dynasty. If Yue Fei had had succeeded, then probably we  
would not proudly have had Tebit, Inner Mongolia and even Manchuria as our  
territories. To me, histroy is just something happened in the past and  
historical figures like Yue Fei is nothing more than Wang2 Po2 (old lady Wang  
who helped Mr. Ximen and Ms. Pan1 Jin1lian2 poisoned Wu3 Da4lang2). What Yue  
Fei did might have been good to China, or might have been very bad. No one  
knows. Just as nobody know if it is good thing or not for the British warships  
knocked open China's gate by cannons. 

I just want to be realistic. To me, if people can enjoy good life, then the  
government is good. Otherwise, it is bad no matter how many beautiful slogans  
they chant and how much patriotism some people in the government show or  
pretend to show. ask yourselves, we the people, like other living species, live  
in this very earth for what?

Carl
From: 54yang@cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:14:49 GMT
Organization: The Catholic University of America

In article <1992Oct9.174235.9024@news.iastate.edu>, txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> 
> It is the same in mainland China. Anyone who wants to go to college and passes
> the test can go. No matter how poor you are, no matter what background you
> have. Plus, there is absolutely no tuition in China!!! "red or black"  has not
> been a factor in college admission in China for more than 10 years. It is
> interesting to see people from Taiwan always think the current China as the
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> China in Culture Revolution. What causes that?
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	The propoganda by KMT and TIers, the ignorance of many Taiwan
	people.

	At the same time, many people from Mainland China do not know
	much about Taiwan society.

	We really need understanding of each other.  Before making any
	judgement, facts should be found out, otherwise, be very cautious.

	:-)
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From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 10:18:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <9229013.10231@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>democracy:  depends on your definition.  Who ever said that it is bible
>    that democracy is the best system in the world?  To your surprise,
>    many American businessmen are saying that autocracy is a much better
>    political system.  It all depends on your "definition", and your
>    "belief", and your "personal interest".  Democracy is where people
>    have rights to choose a d
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