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From: neal@riemann.math.mun.ca (Neal Crossan)
Subject: Re: Photonovels, 1993 Videos etc.
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:53:24 GMT

ssushipn@SUSSSYS1.RDG.AC.UK (The Doctor) writes:


>The photonovels I am aware of are:
>  Power Of The Daleks
>  The Macra Terror
>  The Savages

    The Moonbase and The Highlanders also.
    The Macra Terror isn't a proper photonovel.  All that's known to exist
are ~24 pictures from thru-out the story.

>The Daemons has appently been given a slot, but I don't know when, and work
>is underway on colozing Terror Of The Autons.  And one quick question - does
>anybody know of a source in the UK where I could get hold of B&W photos from
>the first 6 seasons - presumably the stills by John Cura and Barry Newberry?
>Any help would be really appreciated.

    When 75 new photos for Power of the Daleks came to light they were made 
available to the general public.  John Cura's company is no longer around
and all stills were destroyed, so any that are discovered come from private
collections.  Thus none of his stills are for sale.
  (The new PotD pictures weren't ones taken by John Cura)     

     -Neal Crossan-
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer)
Subject: Re: Videos in Australia
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:33:07 GMT

The vids are available. I've seen them in Brash's here in Qld.
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From: drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who
Keywords: Dr. WHO WILL BE UNCUT
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:32:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <1992Jul27.211816.1630@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, myst@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> 
> 	Showing episode format on the SF channel sounds like a poor idea to me.
> They're now going to have to EDIT the episodes to fit in their 7 minute
> allotment of commericals. Ugh. (We'll be debating for hours here what was cut

The Sci-Fi Channel's newsletter has stated that Dr. Who WILL BE UNCUT.  They
are fitting in a one hour slot, with interviews and behind the scenes pieces
before the show and convention reports and club information (?) after the
show.  It will air M-F at 12 noon and at 1:00 AM.  I forget the weekend slot.

Neil Marsh
The Whoosier Network
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: It works!!!  It works!!!   and Survival update
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU wrote:
>Usually when I post to this group I use the account belonging to
>one Iain Robert Asplin, and will still do so to reply to other
>people's posts.

I don't think that is absolutely necessary. However, I imagine you would have
to send your replies to your account before posting them from your account.
Probably not worth the trouble. I don't know what the problem is concerning
posting from someone else's account. Why you don't tack on a short disclaimer
at the end saying that it's you not so-and-so? or does IRA get alot of
unwanted mail? You can also put your address in the reply-to (or will the
news reader not allow that?).

Now if only you can solve the problem of editing out unwanted text in the
followups...

Tom

Tune in next week to see the Master torment the Doctor to no end with his
version of K-9 in "Bark of Infinity"!
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Two Doctors No-Prizes (*SPOILERS for 2Drs*)
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:18:58 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul25.015730.18388@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
>>Perhaps the best way to resolve that one would be to combine the two
>>approaches -- the Time Lords took the Doctor and Jamie out of their normal
>>life-streams for this mission.  Victoria wasn't interested in going along,
>>so they dropped her off somewhere.  Controlling his TARDIS automatically
>>throughout the story, they brought the second Doctor to the space station.
>>After the whole story ended, they took the Doctor and Jamie back, re-united
>>them with Victoria, removed their remote control device (or did they???  :-)
>>and dropped them back into their time-stream.  That solves the problems of
>>them knowing about the Time Lords, the Victoria question, and the "why
>>didn't he recognize Peri" question all at once.  As far as they in their
>>normal life-stream remembered it, all of this never happened.

>Except that the Two Doctors was not controlled by the Time Lords.

The second Doctor was sent on his mission in the first place by the Time
Lords, was he not?  So at least at the beginning, they were in control of
the situation.  The last two-thirds of the story is out of their control
for the most part... but then, situations have gotten out of their control
before.

In a way, it also makes sense that they'd take the second Doctor as their
pawn for this mission.  The first scene has Troughton saying that this
mission might mark a turning point in his relationship with the High Council,
and later he tells Dastari that he's "a bit of an exile" from the Time Lords.
The future Time Lords might have chosen the second Doctor because he was
from a time before Pertwee's pardon, and they could bribe him with dropping
whatever charges got him exiled originally (before the series started).
Hartnell would be too much of a stiff-necked old coot to make such a deal.

While there's no evidence really that the Time Lords involved were from the
second Doctor's future, the taking-out-of-time idea seems very Time-Lord-ish
simply because it leaves no fingerprints on the Doctor's life-stream.  Their
mission never happened -- the ultimate in deniability.

>>Now, the ultimate No-Prize goes to anyone who can figure out why it was the
>>SIXTH Doctor at that particular moment in time who was affected by the
>>attack on the second Doctor... or even why anyone was affected at all,
>>considering that the Doctor's experience in the agonizer was later revealed
>>as a fake.

In fact, to answer my own post, here's a possibility.  The Time Lords who
took the Doctor out of time were from the sixth Doctor's era.  The attack
on the second Doctor was transmitted to him because he was the "current"
Doctor in the Time Lords' life-stream... or perhaps it was some bizarre
Time Lord way of attracting his attention.  Their first-choice pawn had
gotten into a jam, so they'd set a pawn to catch a pawn.  How's that?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Valeyard
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:57:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.182255.10167@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom  
wilson) writes:
> keeper@deeptht.armory.com (Ron O'Dell) wrote:
> >In article <1992Jul14.053734.24936@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom  
wilson) writes:
> >>If many people have several opinions as to what happened (or in this  
case,
> >>who the Valeyard is) then there is something wrong with the story and  
more
> >>so the person who wrote it.
> 
> >Yes, it was stupid of Robert Holmes to die like that, without  
finishing,
> >wasn't it?
> 
> That's pretty dumb. I'm obviously referring to whomever decided to use  
the
> unfinished story without making sure the ideas were sound, and whomever
> decided to finish the story without checking the established "facts" and
> thinking about the repercussions. I don't recall any disclaimer at the
> beginning of the story saying "The original writer died, so if the story  
sucks,
> it's not our fault." If the story couldn't be finished properly, then it
> should not have been used. Ever hear of rejecting a story? When properly
> thought out and finished, it could then be used. That is what I am  
saying.
> 

   As I understand from another posting, when Holmes died it was too late  
to do anything else except maybe extend the hiatus into a second year.  
that wouldn't have been too great.
From: ose@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (David T. Ose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:31:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign

In article <1992Jul22.201321.8632@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.002418.6808@pimacc.pima.edu>  
>ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> >    The library of Alexandria was a great place of learning before  
>> > Christianity; then the Christians came along and burned it down. The  
>> > Christian places of learning were established for teaching  
>Christianity.
>> 
>> According to an encyclopedia I just checked the Library was burned four
>> times since Julius Caesar. The first time was in 47BC when Julius was
>> besieged there by followers of Pompey. The next 3 times are described
>> as "according to legend"; 272AD (by order of the Roman Emperor Lucius
>> Domitius Aurelian), 391AD (under the Roman Emperor Theodosius I) &  
>lastly,
>> in 640AD (by Muslims under the Caliph Omar I). I believe that there was
>> also at least one other fire that predated 47BC. I think that if anyone
>> looks it up they'll find that the final destruction of the Library came
>> by Muslim conquest & not christian zealotry.
>> 
>> PHIL
>
>   391AD would be in the Christian dominated era and must be the incident  
>I was thinking of. The two previous incidents must not have been teribly  
>significant because the library was still going fine when a Christian mob  
>decided to include it as another pagan thing that had to go. They burned  
>the library and all the books. They grabbed the librarian and mutilated  
>her to death.
>   I have heard the claim that the library was burned by muslims. It  
>wasn't. This is simply a lie made up by Christians to pass the blame on to  
>others. The real library did not exist in 640AD.

Some references please.  Posters to this newsgroup take 
referencing DW stories more seriously than they take 
providing references.  

David Ose
ose@symcom.math.uiuc.edu
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: tvo doctor who?
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:03:08 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Robert Corrigan asked:
----------------------

-> What episode of Doctor Who was showing on TVO on July 9? I was in

------------------------------------------

 That would have been the final episode of "Delta and the Bannermen".

Regards,
Dale Clayton
------------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com

PS: Going to Who Party 10?
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From: mrmuon@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Net Is Burning
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:21:30 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

Ok, I agree that some of these threads have gotten a bit out of hand. I  
have been a frequent contributor to them and apoligize (although I do try  
to steer them back to DrWho).

  "References of Christianity" has gotten way off. It started with my  
remarking that I have always thought of DW as somewhat atheistic in tone.  
This was followed up by a rather worked up Christian response, and then an  
explosion of flaming and irrelevance.
  I would still like to know what anyone thinks about the religous content  
of DW.

  Although "PBs in England" (time travel) has largely strayed from DW, I  
think it is completely relevant to talk about time travel in a newsgroup  
about a show about time travel. The main problem in this thread has been  
Frank Trumpy's repeated assertions that experts agree time travel is  
impossible and that we shouldn't discuss it because ha says so.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.092522.17013@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) writes:

> .... [DWFCA is] now in somebody else's hands and from the sample
> "please rejoin" issue they sent me when they restarted things look
> good and i encourage people that used to belong to give them a try
> again.

The issues put out by the new management (a woman named Andrea
Phillips) *look* OK; the problem is that in over two years she has
published (according to my records, and I'm supposedly exchanging
newsletters with them) only *two* issues, labeled "(Indian) Summer
1990" and "Summer 1991."  According to the latter issue, however,
the WHOVIAN TIMES is still a *quarterly* publication!  Some might
say, "Well, the program hasn't been in production for quite a
while"; however, *we* know that there has been plenty of other news
to report, concerning audio and video releases, conventions, etc.
I don't know what Andrea's excuse is, because I haven't bothered
to contact her in quite a while.  Frankly, I've given up....
From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: References of Christianity
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:28:48 GMT

In <1992Jul21.174651.1966@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

>In article <12310@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
>writes:
>> originally the Christian church that established places of learning
>> through the monasteries and later the universities.  I was originally
>> an atheist, but at the age of 17 I discovered a large body of historical
>> evidence, which overturned my (rather hysterical) rejection of
>Christianity
>> as a child.  What the Doctor rejected in "The Daemons" was a belief
>> in witchcraft - which the church also rejects (though it does
>acknowledge
>> it to contain potential danger).

>   The library of Alexandria was a great place of learning before
>Christianity; then the Christians came along and burned it down. The
>Christian places of learning were established for teaching Christianity.

Also reading, writing, languages, mathematics, Physics and some of
the other sciences.  Oh yes, and Christianity.  Did you know that
ALL of the early schools in England were run by the Christian clergy?

As for Alexandria - you get lunatic vandals in every culture.  The
fact that this one was thought to be a Christian is surely coincidence
- I don't recall Christ ever saying "And be sure to burn down a few
libraries for they are things of the Devil ..."  Or did he?  Go on!

Incidentally, have you read "Warhead" yet?

Lawrence, pondering the Witchkids ...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.152014.7872@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu  
(Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
> Look, you completely dense people...You cannot compare time travel
> to the production of a television show. Face it. Nor can you compare
> it to bumblebees. If you want me to have some Quantum Physicists 
> send you crap loads upon crap loads of info on why going back in time
> is impossible, I will have it for you. Just tell me your post address.

  I am a quantum physicist. I do not rule out the possibility of time  
travel.
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Your suggestions for improving the Clubs Listings
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 06:04:00 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada


This is concerning the Club's Listing.  As known, I am compiling, from the net
and other source, a complete worldwide list of DW Fan clubs.

My question:  Can any improvements be made?  Do we need any regional CLubs'
              Listings Guardians?   Could we internet the information?
              I might end up getting a UNIX account soon, however the question
of effeciency is at hand.

The question is could a programme be developped to handle such a listing and
queries that might be produced?

It's up to you.



Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Quiz episode 4
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:12:45 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada


we have the results from the first 3 trivia quizzes:

   Frank Durda IV (uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org)  24/30
   James William Bennetts (james@mundil.cs.mu.ozau) 18/30
   Ron O'Dell (keeper@deeptht.santa-cruz.ca.us) 15.5/30
   Jonathan Drukman (jondr@sco.com) 15.5/20
   Ariane (Ablanch@physics.su.oz.au) 8/30
   Kevin Blayton (kgb8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu) 7/30
   Richard K. Fox (fox-r@cis.ohio-state.edu) 5/30
   Franklin Trumphy (swan@iastate.edu)  3.5/30


And now Part 4, which is purely based on DR mk 1:

 1)  which story did "Edge of Destruction" replace ?

 *2)  who was the enemy in "Marco Polo" ?

 *3) Who was Joanna to marry in "The Crusades"?

 4) Who was Koquilion in reality?

 5) On which Planet was Stephen picked up ?

 6) According to the Doctor, how many years did the TARDIS travel in "The
    Ark"?

7) Who was the Doctor's double in "The Romans"?

8) Name Johnny Ringo's ex-girlfriend in "The Gunfighters"?

9) What does WOTAN stand for?

*10) Name the surviving astronauts for the incident with " The 10th Planet" ?


    Rules:
   1)  No posting of answers.  That is up to me.
   2)  Enter as many times as you like, until you get 10/10.
   3)  Deadline is extended to Wednesday, 29 July 1992 11:59 MDT.





Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:37:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul26.225723.10373@news.iastate.edu> trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>You've it the wrong way round. HHGG came FIRST, then he some stuff to Shada,
>and the Dirk Gently-Dead Planet thing is just so obvious, I was flabbergasted.
>It's REALLY pitiful that someone would do that, even under a pseudonym (David
>Agnew).

Well, Hitchhiker didn't really come first, as he was working on the second
book and the end of the first radio series while he was script editor.
The plot for "Life, The Universe, and Everything" came from a rejected idea
for a story at this time, the Chesterfield sofa in that book was a
throwaway gag in "Shada", and then he ripped of "Shada" and "City of Death"
wholesale several years later for Dirk Gently.  That's all the theft
Douglas has been convicted of.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:53:12 GMT

In article <BCR.92Jul22233746@hpl3sn02.cern.ch> bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers)  
writes:
> Sure we can compare time travel to bumblebees...  The Doctor did, and
> this is a Dr.Who news group.  By the way anyone remember what episode  
that
> was.  I very clearly remember Tom Baker saying it.
> 
> ?> "... stuff I don't remember about time travel responce being  
impossable ..."
> 
> "Bumblebees!"
> 
> ?> "What?"
> 
> "Bumblebees!  A Terrian insect proved ..."
> 
> Anyways the point is not that some things are unexplainable.  Rather,
> sometimes we can't explain things because we try explaining them the
> wrong way.  (i.e. We don't always know what we think we know.)

  As a matter of fact, what the Doctor said was that classical aerodynamic  
theory says bumblebees can't fly, ie:'this is possible; if your theory  
says its impossible, your theory needs to be modified'

  (the remark might have been to Harry near the end of "Robot", but I'm  
not sure.)
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Your suggestions for improving the Clubs Listings
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:01:46 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:

> >
> Since this is a simple database application, I'm sure one could be created
> for the list and to handle queries.  I would not know how to handle, say,
> an Internet server such as archie, but a simple database would be no
> problem to write, including queries such as location and size..
>
> Unfortunately, I would not have enough time to write it currently.  However,
> their would be enough Whovians that could ...
>
> Mike Neylon          aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermo GOD

 Hopefully there are fellow Whovians who are interested in the above.  Also I
am looking to distribute this geographically, as suggested by Indiana.

Any takers?


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: thanks
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:16:20 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

 Thanks to those that replied to my request for the Battlefield plot,
part 4. Mark, Jim and Liz.

 Mark: Your request is on the way (if you haven't got it already).
  Jim: Glad you got copies (Geez, that was fast).
  Liz: I tried to reply to you to thank-you personally, but the address
in the footer bounced  back. So, I thank-you here. Just what is the
proper address anyway?  If there's anything I can do to reciprocate,
please let me know.

Whovians are damn fine people!

Best regards,
Dale Clayton.
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From: v059jck9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald S Russ)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: re: other questions
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Thank you very much for the response to the Patrick Troughton query.  I am sorry
that I might have offended some by the use of the word "episode" instead of 
story.  I am rather new to this network.  Troughton was my favorite Doctor and I
was curios as to how many stories he actually did.  I saw some of his later
stories such as the Three Doctors, Five Doctors, etc.  War Games was to me at 
least, the best story they ever produced.  On some other questions now, what
ever happened to Jon Pertwee and what was the deal with the hour long stories
in the Peter Davison era.  Thanks much

Ron Russ
University at Buffalo
v059jck9@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Author of synopses finds a friend
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:30:54 GMT

I have found someone to accept my synopses posts and post them,
one Jim Burmeister, so everyone give a round of applause to Jim.

With any luck, part three (a new one) will be written up and 
posted in the next few days, Thursday night of Friday morning
looking most likely.