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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Importation of goods from the US
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



In article <1992Aug20.191422.1428@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago-
.edu writes:
>   Though I'd be more than happy to arrange importation of computer
>hardware.  I'd bet that even with duty and VAT, it'd still be cheaper
>than the prices I've seen there (Clive, was it you who was saying that
>you could fly to the USA, pick up hardware, visit friends, and return
>for less than the price of the stuff in the UK?)


Yeah, that's right - I worked out it'd be a teensy bit more than the UK 
price to fly out, hop off to Dallas, buy the kit, fly on to San Fran, 
stay a coupla days with a/some friend(s) and then fly back - even being 
legit and paying the VAT and importation duty, it came to about #20 more
less than the UK price...

When I was given the offer to have the stuff shipped directly to San Fran,
then the savings just got bigger by $150-$200 dollars (plus stopover 
lodging)... I may hoard some US $'s soon as the way the dollar may react
to the presidential election run up may strengthen it, but as we're
suffering due to a conserted world wide effort to prop up the dollar,
it may get worse, then better. if you see what I mean...

(Clive, worrying about how the banks will react to the #'s awful ERM
status - sad isn't it?)

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|sometimes love hurts me so bad I feel like    |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
|I'm in pain, then I realise I've been in pain |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
|all my life -- looking for someone to love.   +----------------------+
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From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Being Bi in Melbourne
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:39:57 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>
>... hang on. I'm in the middle, and *you're* on either side of me? Freaky! :)
>
>It's all done with mirrors, I tell you! :)

   Just one of my patented Amazing Bedroom Tricks (TM)! 8->

   But it's just you & me now...(if you don't count soc.bi peering
over our shoulders!).

>>   Cog Sci! I've basically done a Cog Sci degree, but with Pure Maths
>>instead of Psych. Heaps of linguistics...
>Joe, I suddenly feel strangely attracted to you. *snicker* :)

   Um, I think this is called "putting one's head in the lion's mouth"...


>*And* >organise IRC GLB gettogethers

   Tell me more! One my my overseas loves was one of the US IRC maintainers
for a few years...

>-- oh, and if you can't make it to the Clyde by 1:00pm today... tuff :)

   Heh, I was sleeping off the effects of staying up all night so as
to talk to overseas loves (both of them), as well as Val in Perth, as well
as a lovely friend in Stanford.

   ...Just call me Mr Talk Junkie! 8->


>Not that Melbourne is an Edinburgh or a Norwich or even a Chicago...
>
>(yet %^)

   That's the spirit! 8->


>>>Considering there is more than one bisexual even in this fair institution... 
>>   Quite a few it seems. (Hi Tim! 8->).
>Quite a few = two? (Well, three, but the third isn't public about it) (OK,
>four, but I haven't met her yet)

   Were you there for the talk Karina & I tried to give? There were some
people who I thought could've been Bi...and I've heard that Lindy from
the Collective was going out with a Bi woman at one point...


>Now that I think about it, I'd prefer you have the pamphlet author voice be
>bi --- to show that "we're here, we're bi, and if you don't like it, get
>the fuck off our planet" (to paraphrase the not especially bi-friendly
>coming-out pamphlet of the local GL uni group).

   Hmmm. I can understand this...but there just aren't the numbers or
the visibility yet to be able to afford alienating potentially Bi-friendly
people. I *did* like someone's idea (forgotten who, sorry!) about making
"A Bisexual was here - we are everywhere) stickers and leaving them in
all sorts of places...I'm definitely considering it...

>We are not those 'others',
>to be sympathetically dissected for the outsiders; we are everywhere.

   I wouldn't be so divided on the issue if I didn't feel what you are
saying so strongly myself. I can't get away from the idea that it would -
at this stage - do more harm than good...

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
From: jet@ki.com (Jeanette Bradley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:05:45 GMT
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <18012@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.040943.540@HQ.Ileaf.COM> mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark
>Kaepplein x1517) writes:
>
>
>Let me get this straight. You mean to tell me that during normal life women
>get hassled by men often enough (eg. more than once a month say, to pick a
>random not very good number since I get hassled about once a decade) that
>it's a serious problem? The world must be an even shitier place than I

Well, I would say that it is an extremely rare day that i *don't*
get hassled at least once. Although I'm not really sure what I mean
by hassled here-- made to feel uncomfortable? that my space is
invaded? that I feel threatened or at risk? probabll all of the
above.   

Once I was doing a queer educational workshop and a str8 man
told this story of how a rather persistant queer had tried to
pick him up in a bar once, and he had puched the guy and broken his
nose. All I could think was "if I did that every time a man made
unwelcome advances..." (don't know what the dots would be, except maybe
"I'd lose my job"? 'be seen as dangerously insane"?)
 

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:44:51 GMT

 panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>Since I call myself a "far-left-wing liberal" and anarchist, 
>we were happily set up for a cheery political battle, and guess what?  We 
>ended up saying "I agree" to each other far too much of the time.  He 
>defined himself as conservative and I defined myself as liberal and darn it, 
>we saw the same social problems and the same social solutions all too much 
>of the time.  Our reasons for calling ourselves "conservative" and 
>"Liberal" weren't entirely connected to our philosophies.

"Libertarians" here tend to agree right across the political spectrum. Left
wing anarchists certainly seem to hold the same views of societal ills as I
did even when I was a member of the Conservative party.

I left the Tories when they purged the libertarians from their ranks (actually,
they missed me, but they started passing laws damaging the right to silence,
and Clause 28, and Clause 10 got too close for comfort... & I left).

Tanaqui
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:37:31 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug30.011734.13409@microsoft.com>, georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:

> [Peter, your lines are too long.  I had to reformat the above.]

Oops. Better check my news editor settings. Strange.

> You're right of course about how "senior school" and "secondary
> school" are normally used in Ireland.  But they're much more
> likely to be used than "high school", which is definitely
> considered to be an Americanism.  And I think yours must be one
> of the very few families in Ireland where "Mom" is the
> preferred term for your mother, as "Mom" is also perceived to
> be an Americanism.

Probably because my grandfather grew up in the USA, and my father's
speech betrays some of this. Doesn't entitle me to a US passport,
I suppose...:-)

> You wouldn't normally hear a sentence constructed like that
> from me either, unless I was doing a deliberate parody of
> a stage-Oirish accent.  You would hear "amn't", though.

Ditto.
///Peter
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: People in boots
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Sara Writes]

>Doc Martens *NO*!  There are a whole lot of women in Edinburgh going
>around in Doc Martens (leastways, there were three weeks ago ...); am
>I then to take it that they are *all* *queer*????  Yowza!  (Note the
>evil light in Sara's eyes ...)

Certain people wearing strong boots or Doc martens can be a real turn 
on for me. Mind you, seeing Bill (oh_god_those_legs!) in high heels was 
a real turn on for me as well... I guess I like the genderfuck.

I was in a real quandry the other night -- should I see Alien 3 (which
isn't the kind of film I would want to watch - or at pay money to see)
with my ex and a colleague from work, or should I sit at home, do some
writing and read a collection of Poems by Silvia Plath -- I chose the 
latter but I did see an ad for the film... hey - nice boots!

Sigourney Weaver looks _very_ butch doesn't she? Cute nose too...

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| The more straight people I meet, the more I |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| love horses....                             |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:49:44 GMT

In article <18243@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.170900.49566@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie
>(Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>>Doesn't *anybody* here have a foreskin?

>Well mine was removed shortly after birth, for medical reasons. I had my
>very own inbuilt condom. Trouble was, pissing could have been a bit of
>a problem so they solved it in the most obvious way - remove the whole lot
>rather than get inventive.

The *whole* *lot*?!  You poor baby... oh... I see... just the skin.
I was sure that wasn't a rolled-up sock in your briefs... :)

Anyway: I think that cut and uncut cocks are equally lovely, as long
as their owners take good care of them.  The only guy I know who had
his removed after puberty said that he didn't notice much difference
with or without, except that it was perhaps marginally easier to keep
clean afterwards.
				Kay

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi,talk.bizarre
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: NightTalk
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:14:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.050824.9004@menudo.uh.edu> elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
|In article <7338@skye.ed.ac.uk>, ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
|>#  Bare with me, this might get a little long

|>Of course I will...  and it's supposed to get long...  you may put it in
|>here if you like.

|>-- Ken "unfortunately, he probably meant `bear with me'" Johnson

|Ohhhhhh.... poor soul.  First he's confused, then you tease him even
|more, getting him more confused.

|Shame on you!!!  I guess I need to get my whip out of the closet and 
|punish some net juvenile delinquents, needn't I?  c(-8

Closet? I keep mine right here in my desk drawer, with the 6' of proof
coil chain. Makes a real impression on visitors and co-ops.


-- 
Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
    The most dangerous person in the world is Jessica Fletcher.
        Everywhere she goes, people die.
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Mr Right
Date: 26 Aug 1992 22:05:54 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug26.121852.4602@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
->
->   I was having an awfully long talk with Coe the other day, and among the
->many things we discussed was the old saw about "lesbians just needing the
->right guy". I diffidently pointed out that if there *was* some hypothetical
->male that was supposedly good enough to turn the heads of lesbians, I'd
->sure like to meet him!

*sigh* ...

It's one of those things that I still don't understand ...

I mean, I have friends, monosexual queers, who claim that only a motss can
really satisfy them emotionally ... only a motss can really relate to them,
touch them ...

And I accept it ... I mean, who the hell am I to dispute other people's
feelings, orientations? And I assume that for them, it's right ...

But it's weird, because I find it hard to ... I dunno, understand it, I
suppose.  

This is probably in large part due to the fact that that deep touch, the
deep relationship, the complete and utter bonding, is something I haven't
experienced yet with either gender ... 

Oh well ...

I do think that those statements, the "You just need the right X," just seem
so ... arrogant.

-- 
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Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Coronation Street!
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:51:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>> (Actually, are there any other bi "Coronation Street" fans out there
>> who would care to do me a favour?  When I was home at Christmas, Alma
>> Sedgewick and Ken Barlow were "getting it on"...whatever happened with this?
>> And how are the Duckworths doing?  Please, I'd be really keen to know).
>
>
>I want in on this, Simon! :-) I got hooked on CS when I was home in Canada,
>and feel very deprived, even if it was about a year behind whatr was happening
in
>the UK.  I think I might have to invest in a satellite dish to watch canadian T
V
>(Me, who can hardly be bothered to turn the blasted thing on, is saying this?

Consider yourself "in!"  But, alas, I've had no further information.  Canadian
TV runs it?  Hmmm.  I never figured out why "EastEnders" made it over here in
the US--to popular acclaim--and "the Street" didn't; perhaps the intense
"Northernness" of the show would be untranslatable compared with "cheerful
Cockney life."  As a matter of fact, Grant, (and only die-hard "Street" fans
will appreciate this), I visited the set in Manchester last time I was there,
and had several pictures taken--I even have one of me holding a "half" of
Newton & Ridley's INSIDE the "Rover's Return!"  Sadly, I didn't get to say to
Betty Turpin, "Ah'll 'ave one of yer 'ot pots, Betty-luv."
God, it brings a tear to my eye.

>Grant

Ta-ra, Chuck (as we say in the North),
Simon.
-- 

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* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.113333.49608@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>Huh? There is a medical condition (something Latin, doubtless...Kay?)

[Kay reaches for his dic...tionary]  Greek, actually, Peter: phimosis.
Strictly speaking, "phimosis praeputiae", though why they had to follow
it with a Latinism is beyond me: whatever's wrong with "akroposthion"?

>involving tightness of the foreskin: in those cases it has to be removed
>or excruciating agony will follow when an erection occurs. IMHO that is
>the only justification for removal, unless you are, as you say, an adherent
>of a religion which requires it.

Nope, there are other medical reasons which may require complete or
partial circumcision.  Hypo- and epispadias (gosh, we *are* heavy on the
Greek today!), which are distal urethral insufficiencies, leading to
the urethra terminating on the ventral or dorsal surface of the penis;
balanitis, either microbial or environmental (which is often, though not
always consequent on phimosis); glandular adhesion; penile cancer; and so
forth.

The other marginal reason is that the risks of cancer (both penile and
cervical) seem to be somewhat lower in cultures who practice circumcision
of males at birth.

Word of the day: VERPUS.  Latin for "circumcised man".  There you go.
Mine of useless information, I am.

				Kay

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:33:19 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>Say, can anyone play this game?  I'm getting really homesick for
>chocolate-walnut fudge from the place on the Royal Mile :-)

OK, everybody send me lots of money and I'll send you chocolate and/or
fudge.  No need to send an address for the confectionery to be sent to
as I'm psychic.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion)
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:09:08 GMT

lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton) writes:

>In article <la4siqINN8ff@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky) writes:
>>
>>
>><big breath>
>>
>>Hello!
>>
>Hi Emily!

Hello to both of you! Congradulations!

[...]

>Well, I came out to my dearest love, my husband to be exact and it 
>backfired.  See it all started when we first started dating, I told him
>I was bisexual and he said great, no problem.  (He was assuming that I would
>always bring my friend home and he would get to join in.)  A year 
>later I gave him a "what if..."  What if I found someone and this person
>didn't want to share?  He again said no problem, great!  Well, three years
>later I did meet someone who didn't want to share and my husband had a 
>rough time with it.  Now, we had an open marriage.  He got to go out and
>meet, and date, and well whatever else.  After a few months of seeing my
>girlfriend my husband decides to get angry with the situation.  He 
>unfortunately started drinking heavily and our arguments started getting
>more violent.  I just recently left him and moved in with my SO, Stacy.
>I'm happier than I've ever been and my daughter is too.  (Being a five
>year old she understood the tension in the house and is relieved that it's 
>over and loves Stacy to death!)

>Because this happened recently, I still feel really guilty about leaving
>my husband (he had to move back in with his mother, he's 25, I'm 29 and
>the bread winner).  I guess sometimes when I put my happiness in front
>of others I feel bad. [...]

Why should you feel bad?  You were honest with him and he agreed to the
arrangements.  It seems to me that you didn't put your happiness in
front of him, but in front of his ego.  I'm just sorry that things didn't
work out amiably.  I'm glad that things are happy for you now.

>[...]  Anyone out there have any kind words or hugs, or
>anything else they want to give me ;^)

*hugs*
*snuggles*
*cuddles*

And checking the fridge...

*strawberries*
*chocolates*
*ice cream cake*

>Thanx for listening!

Glad to do it.

>--
>lori.cotton@west.Sun.COM	|   "If I can't be trusted with a choice, then
>SunSoft, Inc.			|    how can I be trusted with a child."
>Los Angeles, CA			|	Source -- Bumper Sticker

--
Bill Irion    fwi@cco.caltech.edu
"Good manners and bad breath will get you nowhere" - Elvis Costello
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: objectification
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:46:51 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug24.231235.8496@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bv426@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven A. Kendrick) writes:

> Fritz Klein (originator of the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This sounds like something STella should have in the basement. You know,
strap 'em down and orient them as you like it...

///Peter
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:06:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Aug26.000635.18848
Organization: AT&T

In article <17969@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>.... but the car's become part of my soul and I don't think I
>could ever go back to a run of the mill "no brakes, no handling, no engine"
>type of car that most people drive. Good grief I've rambled again :-).

I do _so_ understand how you feel.  I went from a CRX Si (Honda) to 
a Dodge Colt, which had compression problems and just died completely.
I looked at a Mitsubishi Starion (1989) last night--and _drooled_.
She went around corners on rails.

> (how I wished the A1 had a hard shoulder that night!).

So you could cry on it??  (Seems to me a soft shoulder would have
been more comfortable--I swear to goddess, that was almost a straight
line--it was the first thing I thought--and innocently, too...)

>Interestingly enough I'm not just interested in the classic ultra 
>feminine clothes that most tranvestites seem to wear. Yes they're 
>fine for the right occasion, but I want to be a woman in jeans and 
>T-shirt too. 

I think I would like to see you as a woman--picture, maybe?  I don't
think I'll be in the UK again any time soon.  This is one of the 
concepts I've had difficulty explaining to certain of my ex's--that
I can be and frequently want to be a woman in dress-downs.  Not that
I'm not a woman anyway, it's a sexiness perception.

>One of the things I most want to wear as a woman is black tie ie. 
>dinner jacket (tuxedo to the yanks :-). 

We've been known to call it a dinner jacket.  A real tie, of course,
not one of those wimpy pre-ties.

>I think a nicely tailored DJ looks really good on a pretty
>woman (not to imply that I make a pretty woman).

Have you seen 9&1/2 Weeks?  Kim Basinger pretending to be a man,
in black tie.  (It was black tie, wasn't it?  It's been a while...)
Awesome and awe-inspiring.

Piglet