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From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:19:15 GMT

In article <2597@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>
>why don't you run this comparison with a BMW that is more comparable 
>(i.e. similar popularity levels, sporting class), like the K75. change 
>that $14k to $9k. or even better, let's compare it to the R100RS, change 
>that $14k to $8k (is that the right number R100RS owners?). and you've also 

The '92 R100RS retails at $8990. But only 180 were made in '92 and only 30
were imported into the States. 29 are sold - I have a deposit on #30. 8-)
BTW, it comes with hard bags, crash bars, accessory socket, and a clock,
Cross Country membership, MSF course and a three year warranty - some things 
I don't think come on the FJ. (And another BTW, the 150 R100RS's were sent 
to Japan - the land of the *perfect* motorcycles!) 

>(when was the K75 introduced? isn't it about 10 years now?)
The K75 was first built in '84, shipped in '85 - so that's only eight
years old.

We could speculate a lot on these kinds of issues. How about using some 
real numbers? The FJ goes up against the K100RS. The '85-'86 K100RS's are 
selling between $3K and $5K in the BMWMOA and the local papers here. (I was 
offered $5K for mine a month ago.) That's for a bike that was $8K when new 
in '85.

What are '85 FJ's selling for? 

-John
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From: mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch)
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Reply-To: mfisch@ichips.intel.com
Organization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel	
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.170754.10451@news.yale.edu>, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct13.164044.17963@ichips.intel.com> mfisch@ichips.intel.com writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct13.152140.8162@news.yale.edu>, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
|> >|> "Harley loses a lot of customers by not building sport bikes."
|> >|> Seeing as Harley basically sells it's entire production NOW, how is
|> >|> it going to sell more bikes by building sport bikes?
|> >  Increase capacity ??  Make even more money ???  Nah....too simple.
|> The fact that they are selling their entire production WITHOUT
|> making sportbikes suggests that if they wanted to make more money,
|> the obvious route would be to make more of the bikes that they
|> are currently making, rather than trying to develop a new machine
|> in a market with which they have little experience.
|> 
|> -Ekr
|> 

  Yeah...that's the answer I expected.  Your point is well taken, but I'm sick
and tired of people telling me to "buy American", when so many American companies
are unwilling to take risks and explore new technological frontiers when it
comes to new consumer products (contrary to fighter planes, for example).

  Yeah Yeah, I know...some people don't CARE about whether or not their bike,
etc... is the fastest, best handling, etc... So please save your flames...

  Sure, I agree that Harley SHOULD increase their capcity for the product that
they make now.  They could make more money this way, but sooner or later, 
if they keep incresing, they are going to saturate the market.  But they're
NEVER going to get the people who buy performance bikes.  The Japs will continue
to open up a technological gap there.

  All that I'm saying is that they will never make as much money as they could
(long term) overall if they don't expand their product line.  This would
be a very risky proposition for Harley, but then again, American companies are
too concerned with short term profits and are not willing to take risks.  I
dont think that Harley could compete with the Japanese in the performance market
overnight, but over time could break into and overtake the market (they did it
with cruisers, didn't they) ??

  Oh, and please direct any flames directly to me, as I'm not going to 
wade through all the junk that this thread has spawned (Including my own !!).

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From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Keywords: bovine kudu impala lechwe wildebeest pronghorn bison cow
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:52:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.132332.21728@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>
>I would like to prpose a new subgroup. There is clearly a vital need for
>a rec.motorcycles.high.pitched.whining. 
>
>Most of the postings for this group could be redirected here, so maybe 
>bandwidth could be saved by simply removing rec.motorcycles.

You are under the mistaken impression that rec.moto has a signal to
corrupt with noise. Those of us who have been around for a while know
that this is simply not the case: rec.moto is the UseNet equivalent of a
pink noise generator.

>
>Note no smileys.
-- 
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     '92 Seca II "Yuri"  CI$:71101,2272  GEnie:R.LAWRENCE14
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     Since then, they've been trying to correct their mistake.
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:50:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct12.101531.1549@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>John Hamilton (john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG) wrote:
>: Wednesday October 07 1992 09:23, Charlie Smith wrote to All:
>: 
>:  CS> to wing them in the right elbow!  A .22 certainly can result in a kill,
>:  CS> but if you want ot stop them fast I'd choose to blow a bigger hole in
>:  CS> them in the first place.
>: 

>: If I have to shoot someone with my .357, I will shoot for the center of the
>: chest, and they won't get back up. Hopefully, that won't ever have to happen.

>Nick (the English Biker)    MAG 73516    DoD 1069    Concise Oxford

You know, I'm a Canadian, *however*...You lot, with Northern
Ireland, skinheads at soccer games, and second world (not quite
third world, yet) economies really ought to clean up your own
back yards.

If you think the poor bloody americans are badly off because they
need to own guns, maybe you should start worrying about the
poor bloody bastards who *aren't* allowed to own guns...And have
to hope that their police force will take some time out of their
busy traffic-court schedules to rescue them from Rape or Murder.

And as for "fixes"...England used to be the ruler of the world,
Nick. How'd you let yourself lose all that?

Regards, Charles
DoD 0.001
RZ350
-- 
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Fogging and how to stop it?
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:54:44 GMT

I was talking to a guy who works at the local garage in
Kresgeville PA that I take my truck to for things I dont
fix. He had bought a 750 Honds sport 7 years ago and on
the 3rd day he owned it he was riding on Interstate 80
in PA (Bartonsville) when he passed out. He came to in
the hospital a week later in one of those beds that rotates,
turns, etc. His back was broken and also his neck, they
didnt know if he was going to be a "quad" or just a "para"
until he moved his arms. THe cause of the accident was
lack of oxygen, he had bought the helmet used and the bike
new, the guy he bought it from had put sealing foam on the
face shield (Full face helmet) and "blocked up" the air
vent slots in the front with plastic, he had done this
between the liner and the shell so you couldnt see it.
The sealing foam was the strip that came with the helmet.
The State Police and his lawyer had the helmet tested by
some hospital in Phila and they found that in fact the
sealing and blocking dropped the oxygen level enough
for the user to pass out if exerting and fall asleep
while sitting and doing nothing.
I have two helmets, one is a simpson full face that
I use during cold weather and have noticed that I Yawn
alot with that helmet, with my bell II open face I dont
yawn as much (just the normal 5am stuff). I intend to 
be a lot more aware from now on that when I'm tired it
may not be from lack of sleep.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:17:23 GMT

In article <92Oct14.151535.15488@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>Okay, denizens...If you caould only have 5 bikes in your garage,
>what would they be?
>
>I await your replies...
>
>Regards, Charles
>DoD 0.001

My List, however limit of 5 causes a problem:

 1993 BMW K1100-LT, 4 cyl, 1100cc, 100HP @ 7700, 600#, current garage resident
 1966 BMW R69S, 2 cyl, 600cc, 42HP @ 7000, current garage resident
 1962 BMW R27, 1 cyl, 250cc, 18HP @ 7400, current garage residemt
 19?? BMW R100-GS Paris Dakar, 2 cyl, 1000cc, 58HP @ 6500, future objective
 1981 Vespa P200E, 1 cyl, 200cc, not enough @ any RPM, current, with sidecar 
 1963 Vespa 150GS, 1 cyl, 150cc, not enough @ any RPM, current, disassembled
 1989 TREK 2000, 2 pedals, 18 1/2 #, 14 speed, aluminum frame, tubular tires.
 1983 TREK ???, 2 pedals, 23 #, 14 speed, lead filled frame, F&R bag racks

Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

         {  I told you it was mostly even less worthwhile stuff!  }
         {  Friends don't let friends count bikes in their garage }
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Who harasses whom? was (Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:

>> bike, the guy apologizes profusely, and says the only other thing the 
>> dog has ever attacked is the vacuum cleaner.  Turns out the guy is a 
>
>Ahem... This begs the question: What kind of bike do you ride that sounds
>like a vacuum cleaner???? I can hear the Harley crowd chuckling now. :-)

A better question, perhaps, is what kind of vacuum cleaner does
the guy have?  The bike, btw, is a Shadow (700).  Doesn't
sound like any vacuum cleaner I've ever heard.

Of course, who know what the hell a dog hears?  I mean, they eat
dog food - does it taste different to them or does it taste
the same to them as it does to us and they enjoy it?  Hearing
is just as complicated a question.

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: sljt6@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Safety laws...Help!
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:58:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Does anyone know where the federal law is that talks about not
compromising any safety equipment originally installed on a 
vehicle?  I am having grief from the parking people here at USU.
They _REQUIRE_ us to put our parking stickers on the tail light
lens.  A bunch of squids actually have their stickers on the 
BACK of the light!  I refused to put mine on the light, and now 
they are harrassing me.

I remember reading about "Dazzle" being engineered into the top 
of the tail light lens as a safety feature.  If I can find any 
proof it is a safety issue, and the law about keeping it working,
I might be able to force them to change.  No big deal, just our
_RIGHTS_ being taken away.  If you have a copy of any federal, 
state, or local statute dealing with this please send it to me.
Any of you engineers out there who can tell me more about dazzle.

Thanks a bunch,

Davester              B-)
sljt6@cc.usu.edu

Please E-mail to guarantee I see your reply.
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Care (was Re: Why is my face shield so scratched so soon?)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:36:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <BvtIrI.I04@tridom.com>, alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
wrote:
> 
> 
>   My helmet's first face shield got really scratched up.  When it came time to
> shell out the bucks for a second one, I asked why.  Most of the abuse on the
> shield came from my not taking care of it properly.

Speaking of helmet abuse.  Does anyone use those lined helmet bags?  Are
they work the hassle?

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From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Keywords: bovine kudu impala lechwe wildebeest pronghorn bison cow
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:06:37 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1992Oct14.132332.21728@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>
>I would like to prpose a new subgroup. There is clearly a vital need for
>a rec.motorcycles.high.pitched.whining. 
>
>Most of the postings for this group could be redirected here, so maybe 
>bandwidth could be saved by simply removing rec.motorcycles.
>
>Note no smileys.

Pre-ride depression syndrome, methinks.

So, boys and girls, what shall we discuss today, then? How about the effect of
Japanese influences on the Western world through the motorcycle. Discuss.

Wake up at back, there!

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"Would you trust a company who have their bits reversed ?".
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: How many times did you take CALC II? was:Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:37:46 GMT

O.K., I'll bite.  I ride a Harley and I took CALC II only once and I
got a A.  I also got an A in CALC I, CALC III, CALC IV, and DIFF EQ.
the first try.


--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
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From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash)
Subject: Re: Did you say dual-compound?
Originator: dab@space3
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:21:27 GMT

In article <16156@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Greer@mindlink.bc.ca (John Greer) writes:
>The duel compound tyre is made by Spitfire and as how good they are I don't
>know but the idea is right, long lasting centre and sticky sides.

I bought a Bridgestone SE11 (Spitfire) for the rear of my R80G/S.  I am 
underwhelmed by the stickiness of the middle in the wet.  Metzeler ME88s 
stick a HELL of a lot better in the wet.  I am underwhelmed by the 
stickiness of the sides in the dry.  What would have been a predictable, 
recoverable slide on an ME88 planted me on my ear with the SE11.  There is 
not quite enough data to judge the longevity.  However, even though they 
cost about 2/3 of an ME88, I will get the ME88 in the future.  My conclusion 
is that Bridgestone had a good idea, but those tires suck shit.  For my 
money, the ME88 does what the Spitfires were supposed to do; only it does
it a LOT better and only uses one compound.  YMMV.
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From: genam@microsoft.com (Gena Merritt)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: 07 Oct 92 21:30:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep27.220135.1301@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>
>	OK.  Do _all_ DoDers wear full-face helmets?
>	All the ones I've seen do.
>

I be r DoD and wear a 1/2 shell!
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:28:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 17963@ichips.intel.com, mfisch@pdx064.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew Fisch) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.152140.8162@news.yale.edu>, rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>|> Seeing as Harley basically sells it's entire production NOW, how is
>|> it going to sell more bikes by building sport bikes?
>
>  Increase capacity ??  Make even more money ???  Nah....too simple.

Nah... too stupid.

increased capacity != more profits

- capital costs
- retraining
- retooling
- quality maintenance on current production
- new sales and distribution network (probably)
- alienation of current customer base
- increased R&D

HD management would be idiots to build sports bikes.

Do you think Sun should build mainframes?
Peterbuilt should build sports cars?
Boeing should build hang gliders?
Pepsi should produce beer?

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: One of my brake disks gets hotter than the other
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:05:09 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Oct9.152510.7373@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu> shinh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Shinjiro Hirose) writes:
>A friend and I were out riding last night, and afterwards,
>for some reason, I decided to touch my front disks.  One
>was *really* hot to the touch, and the other was only mildly hot.
>(both front disks)  It doesn't sound/feel like one is dragging
>when I ride, so I'm a little perplexed.  I'm wondering if one
>of my calipers could freeze closed...
>The front brake feel is very good, though, even though the disks
>are solid and unvented with single piston calipers.
>Has this happened to anyone else?

How old is your bike?? if it has spent more than a couple years out in the
weather then the caliper might have some water-caused corrosion inside which
could cause the piston to not retract all the way upon release of the brakes.
Try draining-flushing-refilling&bleeding the front brake hydraulic system and
if the old brake fluid comes out looking contaminated, then you should probably
rebuild the calipers since the water that was absorbed by the old brake fluid
probably had enough time to corrode the inside of the caliper and/or piston.

=============================================================================
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DoD #686   '91 XLH-1200      '70 Kawasaki G4-100cc    '69 Cougar XR7-GT390
	   Ensoniq VFX-SD    Kramer Pacer guitar      '70 429CJ(needs a home)
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From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:34:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.233620.15781@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <genx3sO00YUn0Xpi8e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:

   ***    139 lines of flames and learned lecture deleted    ***


>I can let you have a really killer bargain on genuine Venison-B-Gon(tm)
>Deer Whistles.  They *really*, *really* work!  A safe and effective 
>ruminant deterrent for Mule Deer, White-tail, Gazelle, Kudu, Pronghorn, 
>Elk, Giraffe, Moose, Holstein, Jackalope, and Buffalo. Don't miss out on 

Heeyyy ... what about Impala, Lechwe, Sable, Bongos, and Water Buffalo?
           Not to mention Bison!

It doesn't sound to me like this *really* covers the waterfront (savanna)!

>this incredible opportunity of a lifetime!  In a motorcycle shop you might
>pay $50, $60, or even $70 for one of these little jewels, but while
>supplies last, you can mail order them for only $39.95!!!! (Plus $3.50
>shipping and handling) Call 1-800-HOT-DEAL, and have your credit card 
>ready, before the limited supplies are all gone!  Order now and receive
>a free optimal radius calculator for drilling your own disks to improve
>cooling!

Does this also allow for calculation of induced air turbulence from 
the _edges_ of the holes in the disk that are then traveling at 
2*[road speed] ??

    { using the previously copywrited tire-size disks that put you on  }
    {       the fast track (tm) for cornering like you're on rails     }

>
>:-)
>Chuck Rogers
>car377@druhi.att.com


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }