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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,co.politics,ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:27:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

In article <1992Nov13.020626.16654@pony.Ingres.COM>
garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.045708.7546@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU Frank Crary)                      writes...
>>In article <1992Nov12.023946.29923@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE NLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
>>>It does to me. The question is, do you split a piece of bread between a
>>>starving man and a fat man just to be "fair"?
>>
>>If the fat man supplied the materials and baked the bread, I'd call
>>it more than fair. The question is, "whose bread is it?" Need does
>>not justify theft.
>
>If you think that someone taking a piece of bread from rich man to feed
>a starving man is theft then the law must be changed,

       For a starving man to take the bread of a rich man without his
permission *is* theft, and should be considered so under the law.  If the
rich man has refused to give the bread to the starving man then, as far
as I'm concerned he is morally in the right and if *I* was on the jurt
I wouldn't vote to convict him, regardless of the law.  (But that gets
into FIJA.)

>because to refuse to
>spare a man a piece of bread who is starving is morally wrong when you
>have plenty.(I believe there is a quote by Jesus that alludes to this.
>I'm not religious, I just respect the man.)

      Moral wrong and illegal are two different things and should remain
so.  Because something is wrong should not always mean it should be illegal,
and if something is right (like the above theft) does not mean it should
be legal.

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David Veal     Division of Continuing Education Information Services Group
               University of Tennessee, Knoxville
               PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:37:02 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <lftd0aINNh4o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
> In article <13080@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #Yet Abel's study did that.  He found that 21% of the ones that
# #went after little boys were *exclusively* homosexual 
# 
# What exactly did Abel mean by "exclusively homosexual"?  Was it any of
# the following (and if so, which one):
# 
# 1) all molested victims were boys (i.e., exclusively homosexual molestor)
# 2) all sexual partners (adult or child) were male.
# 3) all adult sexual partners were male (and there were adult sexual partners)

Since Abel asserted that adult men having sex with little boys could
be heterosexuals, it would seem that he meant the PC definition,
#3, above.
 
# # ... Unless we
# #assume that <20% of child molestation is little boys, that means
# #that homosexuals are disproportionately represented.
# 
# You've confused victims and molestors again.  Because of "fixated
# molestors" who raise the average numbers of victims per molestor by a
# factor of 12 (based on Brian Kane's interpretation of your numbers)
# (and how does this group overlap with the 21% who are "exclusively
# homosexual", whatever that means?), only about 2% of child molestors
# molest boys.  20% of that takes you down to .4% of molestors.  This is
# clearly less than their portion of the general (male) population, so
# the incidence of child molestors among male homosexuals is clearly
# lower than the incidence among male heterosexuals.

But even then, the risk is much higher from any particular homosexual
molester than the heterosexual molester.

# Unless "exclusive homosexuals" molest girls at some unusual rate, I
# think this means that, if your goal is preventing child molestation,
# then the best man for interacting with a mixed group of children is an
# "exclusive homosexual" (however Abel defined the term).

Great.  Protect the girls, damage the boys.  Of course, that appears
to be a mechanism for making more male homosexuals, so I guess I'm
not surprised that you would make such an absurd suggestion.

# Do you disagree with this conclusion, and if you do, why?  Note that I
# said "if your goal is preventing child molestation" -- your concern
# for this issue is very clear.
# 
# David Chase

My goal is to allow an employer to make decisions.  Those decisions
may be good, they may be bad, but when the government says that a
group with either a disproportionate number of victims, or a 
disproportionate number of molesters in it, MUST be given protected
minority status, I get very upset.



-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
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From: "Brian J. Coan" <brian@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:15 PST
Subject: Panama Deception 11/14 Palo Alto
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1325600020:000:2599
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!brian    Nov 12 12:15:00 1992


The Panama Deception will by shown this weekend in Palo Alto.

		    Saturday, Nov 14th  7:30PM
		    All Saints Episcopal Church
		    Waverly & Hamilton Streets
			downtown Palo Alto

$3 to $5 donation. discussion will follow.

sponsored by the Peninsula Peace & Justice Center.
more info: (415) 326-8837


"It explores the U.S. relationship with Panama from 1903 to the
present and exposes Noriega's longstanding relationship with the
CIA, DEA & George Bush.

It reveals how and why mainstream media collaborated with the
U.S. government to censor information and deceive the American
public, and how they distorted reports about the actual devasta-
tion and human rights violations, which continue today.

It shows that the invasion was not intended to achieve the
officially stated goals of: arresting Noriega; protecting Ameri-
can lives; protecting the Canal; and restoring democracy to
Panama... but rather, created a structure permitting the U.S. to
abrogate the Carter/Torrijos treaty, allowing the U.S. military
to maintain bases there after the year 2000; helping Bush get
over the embarrassment caused by Noriega's actions; neutralizing
the recent resurgence of Panamanian nationalism; and using the
invasion as an excuse and opportunity to test out new weapons.

This grass-roots release is patterned after that of COVERUP:
Behind The Iran Contra Affair, which involved the efforts of
community groups and activists all over the country.  COVERUP was
released in 80 U.S. theatres, in 14 countries, in 3 languages,
and on television around the world, although it has yet to air on
any U.S. network, cable or broadcast.  National PBS has refused
to air COVERUP without censoring it.  But, three state public
networks and over 15 additional cities aired COVERUP in its
entirety, to rave viewer response.  Over 10,000 copies are now in
circulation, released to individuals, libraries, store, schools,
and community groups."

The above information was copied from a leaflet distributed by a
volunteer for the Empowerment Project, the producer of these two
powerful documentaries.  Contact this group at:

                       Empowerment Project
                        1653 18th St. #3
                     Santa Monica, CA 90404
                        Fax 310-829-2305


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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,co.politics,ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Summary: Man=Island?
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:51:28 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov12.002726.24327@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)                      writes...
>In article <1992Nov11.201147.12975@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik) writes:
>>> Ok, I should have, I suppose, said "bad judgement or bad luck." I
>>> don't feel I (directly or theough the government) have an obligation
>>> of insure everyone against all forms of misfortune.
>>            ^^^^^^^^         ^^^
>>Frank, good choice of words there. Can I thus infer that as a member
>>of a (large) modern civilization/society that you DO in fact feel
>>that you DO have an obligation to insure some people agianst some
>>forms of misfortune? 
> 
>In general, no. I think it is the responsibility of every individual to 
>take care of himself (as opposed to depending on others to take 
>care of him.) I do think the government should protect 
>people from criminal invasions of their rights, and (I suppose,
>although I can't think of an example) this might be considered
>protection from misfortune, in some very limited cases.
> 
Although I do agree with you, Frank, when it comes to individual rights,
I must dissent on your personal isolationism (not that I'm saying you
must reject your "I am an island" stand. It's your choice). What I am saying
is that we have certain responsibilities to our fellow man, whether we 
like it or not. People should take care of themselves if they are capable,
even required to, but sometimes you can't (whether it's from hard times,
or from prolonged sickness, or whatever).
	[I hope this doesn't sound like I'm lecturing, I'm only trying
to make a point]
	What are we, as a society, to do when some people can't make
on their own no matter what they try to do? Let them starve? What kind of
society is it, that would let someone starve when there is wealth all 
around them? That is the kind of situation we would be having right now
in parts of the country (like California), if it wasn't for unemployment
benefits and other social services. Trained people can't find jobs out
here right now because there just isn't any around. Without the social
services we have California would be depopulating right now (there aern't
even minimum wage jobs available).
	Basically, I'm saying that I don't believe in Social Darwinism.
I think it is a huge step back on the evolutionary scale. And to remove
the sad excuse we have for a safety-net in this country is to return to
a dog-eat-dog society that was rejected once already. 

	Flame away.

>                                               Frank Crary
>                                               CU Boulder

Garrett@Ingres.com
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Playing Politics With Our Economy
Summary: Tit for tat
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:20:04 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <13067@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)                      writes...
> 
>Last night, watching the evening news, Clinton's economic plan was
>described: a middle class tax cut "to give confidence to consumers,"
>and tax incentives to business, apparently including a capital
>gain tax reduction.
> 
>It should be obvious that the Democrats were simply playing
>politics with our economy, willing to throw hundreds of thousands
>of Americans out of work, just to get the Presidency back.
>What incredible sleaze these liberals are.

Speaking of playing politics with the economy, what about the latest
GNP numbers that the Bush administation put out that showed the
economy growing. It turns out that Bush had twisted those numbers
to show more growth than there really was.

>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
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From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Catholic church subsidizes male homosexuals
Summary: Ronzone has tunnel-vision, again.
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:07:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

In article <1992Nov11.225700.29342@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>If hetereosexual white males indulged in some practice that cost the
>insurance companies thousands of dollars per head (per capita) AND
>traumatized others, I think there would be a HUGE outcry.

Gee Phil, who do you suppose commits most of the rapes in this
country?  How about murders?  How about organized crime?  How about
(as someone else has noted) drunk driving?  How about child
molestation?  You can point to a minority who you think is worse than
we are, but compared to women (black or white or gay, and we're the
majority) we're a pretty terrible risk.

David Chase
Sun
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Software Entrepreneurs Forum
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:37:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

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From: gwm@alfa.berkeley.edu (Garry Martin)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ucb.jobs,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.offered.entry
Subject: C programmer jobs open at UC Berkeley
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:25:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfa.berkeley.edu

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                           Programmer/Analyst II
			      (two positions)
                   Computer-assisted Survey Methods Group
		     University of California, Berkeley

                    Refer to UC job number: 09-133/134-18

  JOB DESCRIPTION:

  Open until filled. Positions end 6 months from date of hire, with extension
  possible.  Participate in the continuing design, development, testing,
  installation, porting, maintenance and documentation of software for
  computer-assisted survey/questionnaire data collection and management.
  Software is written in the C programming language and supported on the UNIX,
  MS-DOS, and VMS operating systems.  Occasionally work with users of Computer-
  assisted Survey Methods software to design new features or isolate problems.
  Occasionally assist in installation and maintenance of computer-related
  hardware and operating systems.  Assist in periodic software-user workshops.
  Annual salary range starts at $34,300.00.

  QUALIFICATIONS:

  Demonstrated technical expertise in C, including designing, coding, testing,
  and documentation.  Demonstrated ability in modifying and enhancing existing
  C programs.  Knowledge of UNIX or MS-DOS.  Ability to establish and maintain
  cooperative working relationships with other staff and users to meet prod-
  uction deadlines essential.  Experience with data collection software and
  survey research desiable.  Experience with C in graphical user interface
  environments helpful.

  TO APPLY:

  Send your resume and a cover letter (reference job number 09-133/134-18) to:

                   Berkeley Campus Personnel Office
		   Room 7G
                   2200 University Avenue
                   Berkeley, California  94720

                   Telephone: (510) 642-1011

                   TDD for disabled persons only: (510) 643-9421

  Personnel Office hours are from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Monday through Wednesday,
  9 a.m. to 7 p.m. on Thursday, and 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Friday.

---------
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: International Software Jobs
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:08:36 GMT
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)


	The International Computer Professional Association is a member 
supported organization for experienced software professionals who want to
work overseas. By using our network of over 750 technical recruitment firms 
in the US and abroad, members can find contract and permanent software jobs
throughout the world. If you are interested in working overseas, contact us
including your name, address, and evening phone number and we will send you
information on membership with the ICPA.


Sincerely 

Tony Rodriguez

Director ICPA


International Computer Professional Association
2261 Market Street, Suite 309
San Francisco, CA 94114
USA

Tel: (415) 695 - 7618
Fax: (415) 252 - 5769

email icpa@holonet.net
From: ph14@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Pei Hsieh)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: computer animation job market
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:47:14 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Columbia University

Can anyone give me an idea of what the current job market is like in the Bay
Area for computer animation?  From what I've heard, there is a thriving
cottage industry in spite of the recession.

I will be graduating from college in May '93 and there is no place in the
world I'd rather live and work than in the Bay Area.  It also happens
to be the hotbed of activity for the industry I'm trying to break into.
I am interested in finding a job that would utilize my talents as an artist
more so than a programmer. (My programming experience is limited anyway.)   My 
experience has been primarily in 3-D modeling and animation on various
platforms.  I've been involved in producing narrative and experimental shorts
and have done a lot of architectural modeling.  (Architecture is my major.)
I am academically sound, have a good portfolio, and unique credentials.  What
are my chances for finding a job in either film/entertainment (i.e. special
effects), media/advertising, or fine arts?  How should I market myself?

Finally - does anyone have the address for Industrial Light & Magic?
   
Any and all responses will be _greatly_ appreciated! :-)

Thanks in advance,

Pei Hsieh
ph14@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

P.S. Are there any other appropriate newsgroups this could be posted
From: orca@StarConn.com (Sarah Emily Liberman)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs
Subject: Biologist seeking employment in Bay Area
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:37:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133


				SARAH E. LIBERMAN
				orca@starconn.com
	   			home #:  415/856-8131


OBJECTIVES

To obtain a position in a laboratory or technical setting within the San 
Francisco Bay Area which would allow me use my skills and interests as a 
biologist/botanist/chemist and/or computer consultant. 


EDUCATION

B.A. in Biology from Pomona College, Claremont, CA, 1990.
	Completed coursework in:  Genetics, Immunology, Biochemistry, Plant
	Anatomy, Plant Taxonomy & Phylogeny, Organic Chemistry, Transmission
	Electron Microscopy, Calculus, Physics.


RESEARCH & ANALYTICAL EXPERIENCE

Spring 1991 to Present.  Biologist at Syntex Research, Palo Alto, CA.
	Part of a team which studyed atherosclerosis development and
	lipid metabolism.  Stained, evaluated, digitized and performed 
	statistical analysis on tissue samples using SigmaScan, Lotus 1-2-3
	and Harvard Graphics.  Coordinated studies with other scientists, and
	wrote protocols and experimental outlines using WordPerfect.
	Conducted lipid metabolism studies involving the incorporation of
	radiolabelled precursors in the liver; used thin-layer chromatography
	(TLC), autoradiography and scintillation counting to track metabolites.
	Analyzed lipid levels for in vivo lipid-lowering screening program;
	helped design data-entry/analytical system for this program.  Dosed
	and dissected animals.

Summer 1988.  Research Intern for the Joint Sciences Center of the
Claremont Colleges, Claremont, CA.
	Synthesized high-symmetry hydrocarbons.  Monitored reaction progress 
	with infrared spectroscopy, TLC and 1-H-NMR.

Spring 1987.  Research Assistant for the Department of Biology at Pomona
College, Claremont, CA.
	Conducted biomass data collection for a comparative study involving
	the environmental sensitivity of sexual vs. apomictic alpine plants.


ADMINISTRATIVE & COMMUNICATIONS EXPERIENCE

1989 through 1990.  Consultant & Documentation Specialist for Seaver 
Academic Computing Services, Pomona College, Claremont, CA.
	Solved computer-related problems for users and co-workers.  Wrote
	and edited technical documentation, primarily help sheets, for use
	by both users and co-workers.  Working knowledge of a wide variety 
	of computers and applications, including but not restricted to:
	MS-Word, HyperCard, SuperPaint, 4th Dimension, ResEdit, 
	CricketGraph for the Macintosh; MS-Word, Norton Utilities for
	DOS-compatible machines; emacs, shell scripts in Unix; EVE, DCL
	in VAX/VMS; IBM VM/SP, Kermit, recovery of crashed machines and
	damaged files.


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Received Outstanding Service Award from Seaver Academic Computing Services.
Certified in Advanced First Aid and CPR.  Enjoy role-playing games, 
photography, animation, martial arts, crochet.


REFERENCES AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST.
From: fernicol@win42.nas.nasa.gov (Pablo F. Fernicola)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Info needed on startup companies in biotech
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:07:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center

Besides the chambers of comerce, where would be a good
place to look for info on small companies in biotechnology?

Could somebody point me to newsletters/magazines/journals?

Thanks,

-Pablo
-----------------------------------------------------------
Pablo F. Fernicola     Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation
fernicol@nas.nasa.gov  NASA Ames Research Center, M/S 258-6
(415)604-0642          Moffett Field, California 94035-1000
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Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Senior Cad PCB/SMT DESIGNER AVAILABLE!
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:23:38 GMT
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