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From: dawar@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Rights Conference in New York - Nov 21.
Summary: Announcement of a conference on Rights in India
Keywords: Rights, Conference, India
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:23:45 GMT
Expires: 21 Nov 92 05:00:00 GMT


		      CONFERENCE ON RIGHTS IN INDIA
	AIPSG Conference: Definitions * Perspectives * Solutions

		  Saturday, November 21, 1992  10am - 7pm
	  501 Schermerhorn, Columbia University, New York City

-The Definition of Rights in Present Day India
-The Conception of Rights in the Indian Constitution
-Rights and the Notion of "Anti-Indian" in Official Discourse
-Why do Rights Groups Target the State?

-The Human Rights Situation in:
	Tamil Nadu
	Kashmir
	Andhra Pradesh
	Assam, the North East and other parts of India

-Rights of Dalits and Tribal Peoples
-Repressive Laws in India in Comparative Perspective
-Which Way for Women's Rights in India?
-The Rights Movement in India at the Crossroads.

Participants at the conference will include:

Smitu Kothari, Editor, "Lokayan Bulletin", New Delhi
Dr. Raj Mishra, IPSG Michigan
Prof. Sanjib Baruah, Bard College, New York
Dr. Vinay Lal, Columbia University
Shonali Bose, UCLA
V. Siddharth, Secretary AIPSG
Kalpana Kannabiran, Stree Shakti Sanghathana, Hyderabad
and many others.

Documentary Films:
 -The Valley that Refuses to Die (on the Narmada project)
 -From Rhino to Bajrang: The Army in Assam

Lunch and Dinner will be available.  Child care facilities are being 
provided.
For more information call: (212) 749-5719
or write: Association of Indian Progressive Study Groups
	  Earl Hall, Columbia University, New York, NY 10027
From: sekar@byron.u.washington.edu (Sekar Thiagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: WANTED: Experiences Using Indrail Pass
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:54:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov10.165430.28064
Reply-To: sekar@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

If anyone has travelled using Indrail Passes recently, please advise
whether it was a worthwhile experience.

sridhar c/o sekar@byron.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ST402804@brownvm.brown.edu (S.L.)
Subject: Re: Indian Tits
Organization: Brown University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:46:04 GMT


>If you'd see all the women of some racial origin with their tits very
>high up in different countries you'd start imagining, too.

>There are all kinds of variations in the human body throughout the
>world, so I thought "why not?".

  Always good to get the matter off your chest.

                                            --S.L.
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: The indian constitution
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:05:26 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov8.190521.17614@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
>You should have thrown rotten eggs at him.  There must be 100's of 
>religions in India, many of which are still in the stage of formation
>and some in decline. The constitution is in no way obliged to mention
>every single religion that crops up in India. Failure to mention some 
>religion is the lamest excuse to disavow a secular constitution.  Wonder 
>if this speaker would again vow allegiance to the constitution if Sikhism 
>was mentioned explicitly.  

As far as I remember, as part of the Longowal-Rajiv Gandhi accord, the
constitution was amended to recognize Sikhism as a seperate religion from
Hinduism.

Can't remember the number of the amendment but I am pretty sure this was done.

This was also the time that Nepali was included in the Eight Schedule and
recognised as a Indian language.

Samit
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian astrologer predicts war in Clinton administration
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:47:37 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <25889@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, dhan@cs.arizona.edu (Dhananjay M. Mahajan) writes:
|> In the BBC Newshour program this morning, an interview of an Indian
|> astrologer, Mr. Madan of the Illustrated Weekly of India, was aired. Mr
|> Madan had correctly predicted that Gov. Bill Clinton will be the next
|> President of the United States and also the reelection of Prime Minister
|> John Major of UK. He has now predicted that Bill Clinton will be
|> involved in atleast 3 military operations, one each with Yugoslavia,
|> Angola and the CIS (former Soviet Union). When asked whether this spells
|> doom, he replied that there wouldnt be much bloodshed in this and so
|> there was nothing to worry about. About the accuracy of Astrology, he
|> said that Astrology should be interpreted as you take it and used for the
|> good of mankind.

It is more likely that Clinton will choose some small country (a la
Reagan and Bush) to beat up on and permanently erase any doubts about 
whether the allegations of draft avoidance by him have affected his ability 
to be Commmander-in-Chief.

Given that he lost Florida this time around, my bet is that he'll go for
Haiti or (the big daddy) Cuba!

|> Dhananjay Mahajan
|> Dept of Computer Science,
|> University of Arizona.
|> 

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: dhan@cs.arizona.edu (Dhananjay M. Mahajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian astrologer predicts war in Clinton administration
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:57:56 GMT

In the BBC Newshour program this morning, an interview of an Indian
astrologer, Mr. Madan of the Illustrated Weekly of India, was aired. Mr
Madan had correctly predicted that Gov. Bill Clinton will be the next
President of the United States and also the reelection of Prime Minister
John Major of UK. He has now predicted that Bill Clinton will be
involved in atleast 3 military operations, one each with Yugoslavia,
Angola and the CIS (former Soviet Union). When asked whether this spells
doom, he replied that there wouldnt be much bloodshed in this and so
there was nothing to worry about. About the accuracy of Astrology, he
said that Astrology should be interpreted as you take it and used for the
good of mankind.


Dhananjay Mahajan
Dept of Computer Science,
University of Arizona.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems.urdu,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: URDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 06:48:29 GMT

>> ......
>>Hmm! I guess by this definition there is no such thing as Pakistani cluture,
>>or Indian or Islamic culture ... not that I do not agree with you .... I'm 
>>just wondering which culture do I belong to !  and the rest of 8 million 
>>(?) Karachites!  Any thoughts on that?
>
>	adopt to sindhi language and culture.
>
>Mirza Ilyas

In other words, through out my own culture and take on someone else's.
Why???????????????????

sahibzada rafay khan [ i am a sindhi but with my own definition]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Ispat Group, Calcutta Considering Buying Bethlehem Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:59:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

apnews reports:
JOHNSTOWN, Pa. (AP) _ Bethlehem Steel Corp. says an investment
group from Calcutta, India, is considering buying most of its Bar,
Rod & Wire Division.
           Bethlehem and the Ispat Group of India are discussing the sale
of all of the division except the Johnstown wire mill, which is
being sold to TMB Industries in Chicago, Bethlehem said Tuesday.
           Bethlehem announced in January that it would close the division
and other plants after losses of $638 million in the fourth quarter
of 1991.
           Bethlehem has been trying to sell the entire operation to a
single buyer who would modernize the equipment and preserve jobs.
           The discussions with Ispat involve the Johnstown plant's
steelmaking facilities, primary mills and finishing mills, a rod
mill in Sparrows Point, Md., and a bar mill in Lackawanna, N.Y.
           Most of the 2,600 people employed by the division a year ago
have been laid off. The wire mill in Johnstown is still operating,
and some employees are doing maintenance work.
           Bethlehem had a letter of intent to sell its Gautier Mills to
J-Pitt Inc. of Pittsburgh. J-Pitt President Michael Pitterich said
Bethlehem told him the deal was off because a foreign group had
made a proposal for the entire division.
           Ispat is one of the most technically advanced steelmakers in the
world, said Charles Bradford, a steel analyst with Union Bank of
Switzerland in New York.
           The company has a worldwide capacity of 4.5 million tons with
operations in Mexico, the West Indies, India and Indonesia.
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:27:39 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
: this message all by yourself, or did your mommy help you?

No, your mommy helped me out, and my sincere thanks to her for
helping me. However, I feel sorry for her for giving birth to
a peculiar species.
: 
: Those impotent fools who e-mailed you are probably the same ones who
: wish to curtail freedom of opinion in this country by running and crying
: to system administrators every time they see a post that puts a knot in
: their panties.

Does your CHAMCHA also been included in the list?? Lately, quite
few of your CHAMCHAS have been running to my sys administrator.
: 
: 
: Ed

SN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (KING COBRA)
Subject: Re: Indian Tits
Keywords: Tits/Boobs/Hooters/Knokers/Breasts
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:40:12 GMT

In article <BxEG6B.6Jz@ecf.toronto.edu> rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan) writes:
>
>   Is it just me or does everyone think that Indian babes have the best
> boobs in the world?  Just wondering.
>   


    Sure. If you like them flat.

>   More than a mouthful is NOT a waste!
>   
>-- 
>Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
>Engineering Science 9T3                <rairan@eecg.toronto.edu>
>University of Toronto                      

COBRA




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: Indian Tits
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:09:33 GMT

In article <2AFB3407.5651@news.service.uci.edu> tvasi@shakti.bio.uci.edu (Taha K. Vasi) writes:
>No physical difference, I just like mine closer to my *tongue*. 8->
>
>What kind of a stupid question is this??!!??

If you'd see all the women of some racial origin with their tits very
high up in different countries you'd start imagining, too.

There are all kinds of variations in the human body throughout the
world, so I thought "why not?".

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36839 soc.culture.tamil:3560
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Please revise your lexicon, ladies and gentlemen!
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:23:38 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Nov6.154801.27141@csrd.uiuc.edu>, ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh) writes:
|> 
|> True.  The Republicans seem to operate on the principle that if you
|> shout something long enough and loud enough, it will be believed by
|> some number of people.  And they have always been well-geared to do
|> that.

Guess who they learned it from? None other than Mr.Democrat, LBJ.
What the George Bush tried to do was what George Will called
the "Goldwaterization" of Clinton, i.e. scare the hell out of voters
by offering a bleak vision of what Clinton would be like as President, 
a la what LBJ & Bill Moyers did to Barry Goldwater in 1964 (it worked 
-- LBJ won by the biggest landslide in history). So when the GOP
had a visionless candidate in Bush, they proceeded to attempt to destroy
the other guy to win. Worked once. But then, as Lincoln said, you can't 
fool all of them all the time.

|> Sanjoy Ghosh

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj)
Subject: F-1 help wanted
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:49:27 GMT


My brother is a B.E (Mech) graduate. He got admission
in Indiana University for M.S (Physics). His Visa
application was rejected last week at Madras. He received
I-20 form from Murray State University for M.S(Engineering Technology)
yester day. Is it possible for him to attend Visa interview
again because of the change in the discipline. How does it works.


Please email to me

M.P.Krishna Raj
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Tits
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:37:53 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland


Is it only a carrying fashion to have your tits lifted very high up, or
is this some kind of physical difference between Indian and f ex
Caucasian women?

--
jjj@mits.mdata.fi     Thanks, Life; thanks, Death    And the other me:
jjj@niksula.hut.fi    for freeing me from self       Jenny L{rv{joki
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: sridhar and wpi
Reply-To: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:56:06 GMT

Just clarifying ...

ravi@sequoia.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

)	ok. i will say this once for your benefit. you posted a
)	kill file for killing all articles from wpi.edu overlooking
)	the fact that there are 3500 students who go to school
)	here (of which there are > 100 indian students) who you
)	essentially advocate to boycott. you chose not to provide
)	reasons behind your policing intentions (however limited
)	their success may be). 

Be careful in using "advocate". After all I just indicated that the
NNTP-Posting-Host was the most reliable and efficient header line
in your and other posts coming out of your news server and as a clue
towards that I posted that I would mail your news administrator in
case it didn't work so that I could possibly get a reliable header line for 
my KILLfile. I was just advertising my KILLfile. See, my KILLfile has to
be efficient instead of numerous lines like:

/mick@.*wpi/j
/ravi@.*wpi/j
/<take_your_pick>/j
...

As to the rest of the post about your opinions about my net.role it is
best left to the individual reader to judge. I have been posting long
enough on Usenet for anyone to judge me. As for my opinions about you,
I never let it known though I mentioned the groups. 

That said, I apologise for prolonging this thread further. You may
have the last word. 

)	- ravi

Sridhar.
--
Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36513 soc.culture.indian.telugu:934
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: t5his about the northern borders of our svontry
Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:02:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

 srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan) writes:

>and SCI. guys get a life.. what is this and WPI and sci???
>ythis will be my last posting on SCI.
>so guyyyys adieu,
>and au revoir


another martyr down the drain  ;-)

suresh
From: chris@ucselx.sdsu.edu (lemaire c)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Thanks for the help (Was: Survey on Indian Culture).
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:39:49 GMT
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

Hello everybody,

I would like to thank the members of this news group for
all the replies I received to my survey. With all the
information I received, you folks just about wrote the entire
paper for me!

Thanks again,

Chris Lemaire
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: sridhar and wpi
Reply-To: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:17:45 GMT

ravi@sequoia.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

)	hey ever heard of load and sendmail??? crashing a system
)	brings about greater satisfaction than just filling up a
)	mailbox ... not that i would ever suggest that anyone
)	should do anything as evil as that!!!

Hey ever heard of a load-limiting sendmail daemon or sendmail
running under inetd? Why bother with things unknown!

It is not out of place to mention that my mailbox for any mails from
*.wpi.edu is /dev/null. It will suffice mostly but if anyone does 
work around it, they are solely responsible for the consequences.

)	- ravi

Sridhar.
--
Sridhar Venkataraman			sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.telugu
From: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Subject: IIT-Madras Director's Name and Address needed urgently
Reply-To: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:25:04 GMT


 I urgently need the name and address of the Director of IIT-M.
 Thank you in advance.

 Raghu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian

       
- The reason Tamil literature is not known outside is not due to
-the fact that outside Tamil Nadu Tamil is not known as you state.
-Sanskrit is also not known to the vast majority of Indians !!
- ( followed by long grouse about reasons why Tamil classics remain
    unknown )

         -Selva Selvakumar

	 To paraphrase Occam, do not go for a complicated theory
	 when a simpler one fits the facts.

	 For several centuries, Sanskrit has been playing the role of
	 Latin in old Europe i.e. the medium of the cultivated people
	 of different regions of India. Newton wrote his Principia
	 in Latin which enabled German and French scientists to understand
	 him. Similarly, in the old days, scholars who wanted their
	 works to be read by a pan-Indian populace wrote in Sanskrit.

	 For a well-known example, the (Orissa/Bengal) poet Jayadeva wrote 
	 his classic Gita Govindam in the early part of the 12th c in Sanskrit.
	 Within an astonishing 6 months, it was accepted in the sacred
	 repertoire to be used in worship at the Ramesvaram temple
	 in the southern tip of the continent. If he had written in Prakrit,
	 I doubt if it would have achieved similar prominence. 

	 Again, the Krishna devotee from Kerala, Lila-Sukha, wrote
	 his Krishna Karnamrtam while visiting the Vishnu temple
	 at Srirangam. Fortuitously, it coincided with the visit 
	 of the leader of the Bengal Bhakti movement, Sri
	 Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Chaitanya went into raptures upon reading
	 it, and popularized the work in Bengal where it remains one
	 of the most important scriptures of Vaishnavism.

	 The Guru of southern Vaishnavism, Sri Ramanuja, wrote
	 extensively in both Sanskrit and Tamil. Guess which
	 one attracted the attention of Guru Nanak of the Sikhs, 
	 who included quotes from Ramanuja in his Granth Sahib ?

	 For a final example, the unknown author of the principal 
	 scripture of the Bhakti cult, Srimad Bhagavatam ( which started 
	 the great movement with its profound impact all over India ),
	 is presumed by scholars to be a man from the Tamil land
	 (who seems quite unfamiliar with the topography of Mathura
	 and Brindavan). To be sure, it is a Sanskrit work.

	 This situation is not unlike that of the status of English
	 in modern times, where Tagore had to translate his Gitanjali
	 into English , to be noticed by others. In this world with
	 its myriad languages, this situation is inevitable.
	
	 So, you see, it is only a simple language problem, easily
	 solved by translation, that prevents what you consider gems
	 in Tamil from being known to others; and not bizarre things
	 like "racial" antagonism or ethnic prejudice. I am SURE your
	 ignorance of the masterpieces in Kashmiri or Nepali is only
	 due to ignorance of language, and not hatred of those
	 communities either.

	 Raghu

	
	 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Subject: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Summary: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Keywords: INDIAN CULTURE - Radically Racist
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:04:10 GMT


An Indian friend of mine (who also happens to be a Brahmin) was
trying to convince me the other day about how babies
'automatically' reach out for lighter dolls - (His sister had
conducted this most valuable experiment).

There was a similar study done in the U.S., if I am not mistaken,
along parallel lines when the blacks wanted a reinterpretation
of the American constitution which proposed 'equal but
separate'(for blacks and whites) schools there. In that study
majority of the black children automatically reached out for the
lighter dolls which was a direct result of the subservient
position of the blacks in their society.

Now this very knowledgable person (not realising that his sister
was not breaking new ground), wanted to justify how lighter skin
played a major role in this behaviour. It was due to (in his
words) 'genetic conditioning' that the child reached out for the
lighter doll. Almost an authorisation of racism and the caste
system. A justification as to us being 'born' racist. 

This is unfortunately the way a lot of Indians think - the
educated ones too. This partcular person concerned also likes to
think he is very 'caucasian'. IMO many of the nettors would
rather consider themselves as caucasians rather than a less
complicated term called  'Indian'. 

The above need to classify ourselves as caucasians etc is a
classic example of fighting racism with racism. A classic example
of how our culture has evolved into clueless one.

Fortunately most of my experiences at home were those relating
to Bombay and I must admit to an adequately 'affluent' part of
Bombay. My experinces with 'Brahmins' etc. like the above were
few and far between and I lived in a very cosmopolitan building.
If other 'Brahmins' (educated ones) still have problems with
their need to prove 'superiority' there is one thing that I am
glad of - the fact that I personally did not know many of them.

How does one change the mentality of a nation?

We only live in the cesspool we create.

John Ainikkal
I think - Therefore I am.
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud