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From: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (BOUCHER DAVID            )
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:05:04 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Dec18.221841.20126@nsc.nsc.com>, jrr@nsc.nsc.com (Jerry Roe) writes:
> [....]  the "training" the protection workers get very clearly
> encourages the beliefs that 1) children don't lie about abuse, 2) denial
> is evidence of guilt, 3) the mother must confirm the father's abuse or else
> she is perpetuating the abuse - and therefore can not be trusted with the
> children - and so on.  There is NO room for "innocence" in this system;
> if anyone needs proof of it, go read the San Diego County Grand Jury's
> report of their investigation into SD's children's protective agency.
> It'll curl your mustache and give you nightmares.
 
You should modify (1).  They are taught that children who DENY abuse are 
lying and must be coaxed or otherwise manipulated until they give the 
"disclosure" that the interviewer wants.  In the case that provoked the
investigation to which you are referring, a little girl was raped by an
intruder who climbed in her bedroom wondow, and even though the little girl
repeated her story for two years, and the authorities in fact KNEW that a
man had been arrested in the vicinity for similar offenses, they went after
the father and REFUSED to "believe the child".  After two years of grilling
and coaxing by "therapists", the child finally did name her father as the 
assailant, but shortly thereafter DNA testing of semen on the girl's 
clothing proved conclusively that the father could not possibly have been
the assailant, and that there was a 98% probability that the assailant was
the man who had been arrested in the same neighborhood for similar offenses.
By this time adoption proceedings were underway for the little girl.  She was
raped, but instead of helping her the so called "Child Protectors" ripped her
away from her family and subjected her to psychological rape for more than
two years.  The subsequent investigation revealed that this was standard 
operating procedure in the San Diego CPS.

- db
From: onn@hertz.njit.edu (ruth onn ece fac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why didn't Santa bring me a car?
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:25:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

If this isn't a good reason NOT to give your children the Santa-Claus
myth, then I don't know what is.

Speaking for myself, ruth.
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: [31 months] cute stories
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:45:37 GMT

There are several that I remember offhand.  While in Pittsburgh at my MIL's
we were all sitting around the table eating when Billy suddenly piped
up with:

"Uncle Jack, you don't have much hair"

-----

Yesterday was my sister's birthday and she was visiting us so we had
a party for her with hats, noisemakers, etc.  Billy had a piece of
cake and asked for more, so we gave it to him and said that was it.
When he finished, he looked at us sweetly and said "one more slice please".
It was so cute, we gave him a little.  Just to reinforce the lesson that
he had just taught *us*, later on it the kitchen, the following conversation
took place:

Billy: We have to give cake to the hungry child
Mary & me: Who's the hungry child?
Billy: Me!

-----

We took Billy bowling at a "mini-bowling" alley in an arcade.  He had
a wonderful time.  My turn was after his and he was standing in front of
me so I asked him to stand behind me.  Next thing I knew, he had his head
against my rear end and was holding my legs.  Mary (who hadn't heard what
I'd asked him to do) asked him to come over to her.  Tears welled up in his
eyes and he said "I can't, daddy told me to stand behind him".  So, I bowled
with an added appendage :-).  Talk about literal!

-----

My sister was telling Mary about something that she didn't want Billy
to know about (a present) so she spelled it (as we usually do).  Billy
got really indignant and said "Auntie Debbie, *what* are you telling mommy!"
I think our spelling days are numbered :-) 

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [31 months])
	ssa@usl.com
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Preventive Antibiotics
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:33:12 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Distribution: na
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Well, Carrie has her fourth (or is it the fifth) ear infection of the
winter.  When her previous one was diagnosed, the pediatrician mentioned
the possibility of preventive antibiotics for the rest of the winter
if she got another one.  The urgent care doctor diagnosed this latest
one the day after Christmas, so he really wasn't prepared to discuss
preventive antibiotics.  I'm preparing myself to bring up the subject
when she goes back in two weeks for her followup, and her six month
checkup.  (Almost a month late because of the back to back infections.)

What have people's experiences been with preventive antibiotics?  Brad
was on them for a month or so, but it was near the end of the winter.
He didn't get any more ear infections, but with cold season really over
by then, he might not have gotten any in any case.  The antibiotics
gave him TERRIBLE diaper rash, so that he would cry whenever he had
a dirty diaper.  I almost think the preventive medicine was worse than
getting another ear infection would have been.

On a happier note, Carrie pulled herself up to standing on Christmas
day!  I'll bet I've got another early walker.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 6 months
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (3YO & 20 months)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 22:22:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


     20-month-old cousnin Kiersten got one of these dolls where you make
a loud noise to start her crying, and it reminded my grandma of a time when
Melissa, now about 13, was 3; she had gotten a doll that cried a lot during
Xmas, and she got fed up with it shortly before they went home:  She gave
it to Grandma and said: "You take her; I can't take care of her!!!"

     Kiersten is really getting cute; Matthew woke up from a nap in the van
late, so he was eating while almost everyone else had gotten up.  I was keep-
ing him company while watching Kiersten at the same time.  I turned my head
for a moment, and she had the ketchup bottle open and had squirted some on
her brother.  He gave her a funny look - she realized what she had done,
giggled heartily and said: "Gotcha!!!"  They're so cute at this age.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Preventive Antibiotics
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:48:24 GMT

In article <29059@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
> What have people's experiences been with preventive antibiotics?  Brad
> was on them for a month or so, but it was near the end of the winter.
> He didn't get any more ear infections, but with cold season really over
> by then, he might not have gotten any in any case.  The antibiotics
> gave him TERRIBLE diaper rash, so that he would cry whenever he had
> a dirty diaper.  I almost think the preventive medicine was worse than
> getting another ear infection would have been.

Please post (or post a summary)!  Alison is about to end this dose of 
antibiotics for the latest ear infection (by their count, #4 even though #3
lasted about 1 month with 3 different types of antibiotics taken) and will
immediately start 1 month of a low grade antibiotic (Batrim (sp?)).  The
one she is one now causes her to have diarrhea (and then diaper rash if we
aren't careful), but the Batrim doesn't (she was on it not too long ago and
did fine).

Also, I would like people's opinions on tubes.  In particular, Alison's
doctor said that tubes don't prevent ear infections; they just help drain
the fluid in the ears and relieve the pressure/pain.  Kids still get ear
infections.  So, if one is worried about language delay (which doesn't seem
to be a problem with Alison at this point!), then tubes are the solution.
Otherwise, just treat the infections (either with spot antibiotics or
continual antibiotics).  Anyone else told this?

	Karen

	  (mom to Alison, 7.5 months old)
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:45:04 GMT
	<1992Dec29.191816.8746@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1941@frackit.UUCP>
	<1993Jan1.224215.27475@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1993Jan1.224215.27475@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes:

   What would make me happy would not be the fact that he chose NOT to be 
   circumcised, but that whatever his decision was, HE made the choice.

   Jim Copeland

I agree with this wholeheartedly. My son is not circumcized (I am and
it's not a big deal for me). If he chooses to have it done later, it
will be *his* choice, not mine.

			---Kayvan
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Lying to children
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.193137.2938@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes...
>In article <C03027.M71@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com writes:
> 
>   > 1.  I teach my kids lying is wrong.  Enough said.
> 
>Well...not that we intend to go the Santa route, but I do think that you
>have to distinguish between lying and embroidering the truth.  "Cousin Sue,
>it's so nice to see you!"  As I've said many times before on this same
>subject (of lying about Santa), should you go to DisneyWorld or some other
>equally costumed attraction with your kids, are you going to say, "Look over
>there, it's a person in a Mickey Mouse costume!" or are you just going to
>say, "Look at Mickey Mouse!"?  The first is exactly the truth, but a wee bit
>nitpicky about it.  The second is not the truth, but I'm not sure I'd call
>it a lie.  And what about the deception involved in trying to throw a
>surprise party for someone?  Does this count as lying too?  I've heard of
>members of some religions (and please don't flame me for getting down on
>religion in general here, because I'm *not*) who are so intense about not
>lying that they even consider novels and other works of fiction lies.  I
>mean how far to you really want to push this not lying bit?  Far from making
>life easier and more understandable, absolutes can sometimes create more
>problems than you bargained for.

  I agree with Keith here. 'I love this chartreuse sweater you made
for me, Aunt Matilda' may be a lie, but do you really want to tell
the absolute truth to an 80 year old woman? And, do you encourage
your kids to tell her that they dislike the toys or clothes or
whatever she sent for their last birthday? Even if it is the truth,
I see no good in hurting her feelings.


>I've heard theoretical questions about situations like this, but I have to
>say that my experience of having grown up with the Santa story did
>absolutely nothing to damage my trust in my parents or my faith in God.
>Somehow I guess I was aware that God was something we were absolutely
>serious about while Santa had more of a whimsical flavor.  Is there anyone
>out there whose trust in their parents and/or religion *really was* damaged
>by things like Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the like?  I
>know that in our house we have the Blanket Fairy, who really does come while
>you're asleep in some non-bed place and put blankets over you.
> 

I also agree here. I do not think of my parents as liars because they
told me there was a santa. And, it has not at all affected my faith
in God. Just my 2 cents.
                       Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: janines@novell.com (Janine Schenone)
Subject: Live-in nanny for single mom?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:36:21 GMT

Yes, *I* need a nanny!
ARRRRRRRRGH! My trusted babysitter, who has been watching my daughter
in her home along with her own daughter for a year while I worked,
is moving out of the area, and I need new daycare arrangements.

I am considering a live-in nanny to make my life as a single mother
easier. Basically, I would like another adult around so that I
can walk outside for a moment to do laundry, buy milk, get
medication for my child or whatever without having to take my child
every time. 

Could people who have had a live-in nanny e-mail with short
descriptions of their experiences? I'm curious about the following:

Is it appropriate to ask a live-in nanny to babysit beyond
the workday hours? For example, could I go running in the morning,
when my daughter is still asleep, knowing that the nanny would
be there if she woke up, or would that be considered inappropriate?

Are live-in nannies willing to babysit say, one evening a week? If so,
do you pay them babysitter rates for those extra hours?

Do nannies do any housework/cooking? If so, how much more do you
pay them?

How much do live-in nannies charge? I've heard there are "hidden costs"
to having a live-in nanny. What are they? 

Is it realistic (or desirable) to hope for someone who will be 
like a member of the family?

Please e-mail to janines@novell.com. Thanks!
From: kleiman@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do you speak Australian
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:57:02 -0800
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

Just a comment on r's dropped and picked up.  My brother Robert and I were
raised in New York not to "speak like the natives."(My parents are from the
Midwest).  We learned to thread our way through Nwe York-ese and even served as
uncomfortable examples of how to speak.  One day, Robert, at age 6 came home
from Sunday school.  When asked what he had learned, he replied, "We learned
about guard!"

Dick Kleiman (Father of David Zachary, age 1.1)
From: hardesty@meiko.com (Robert Hardesty)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth announcement
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:08:29 GMT
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.


I threatened my wife with this, she called my bluff, so here it goes....


Andrew Lawrence Hardesty

Born:  12/14/92
Time:  2:30 PM
Weight: 8lbs 1 ounce
Height: 21 1/2 inches

Now I only have to wait 20 years to get my room back ;)

Happy Holidays!!!
-- 
Robert R. Hardesty			hardesty@meiko.com
Customer Support Engineer		Tele: (617) 890-7676
Meiko Scientific Corporation		Fax: (617) 890-5042
1601 Trapelo Rd.  			Waltham, MA 02154
From: kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Love you forever (was Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:07:30 GMT
	<22DEC199212151641@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Dec22.175243.4702@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<10321@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> <168CA124A8.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <168CA124A8.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU> BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:

   [...]  So I had some "quiet" time to
   myself to just cry and cry.  ... Had to dry my tears real quick though,
   when Daddy showed up , he doesn't cry over books...

This Daddy cries over AT&T commercials sometimes. 1/2 ;-)

			---Kayvan
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| Kayvan Sylvan, Sylvan Associates, kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM, (408) 978-1407  |
| Consulting, Training, Development, SysAdmin, {BSD,SVr3,SVr4} Unix Systems  |
| "Think Globally, Act Locally." "Only you can make your dreams come true."  |
| Proud Dad of Katherine Yelena (born 8/8/89) & Robin Gregory (born 2/28/92) |
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute Stories (20.7 months)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:49:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I have kept my son in his daycare during my maternity leave. However,
this week, the daycare is closed. I encouraged my son to watch me bath
my daughter (10 weeks) to keep him out of trouble. He thought it was
a barrel of laughs. When I was soaping her, he pulled up his shirt and
was going through the motions. I told him daddy would give him a bath
after dinner. Through the afternoon he kept checking the bathtub. (a fact
I should have told daddy).

After dinner, daddy filled the tub and came to the computer room to
ask me a question. Splash splash sounds started coming from the bathroom.
There was Russell, fully clothed, shoes and all happily playing in the
tub. 

Second cute things they do:

Russell is just starting to get the concept of numbers and counting.
A few days ago he "counted" the fingers on his sister's hand:

"one, one, one, one, one"

The next day, he counted "one, two, two, two, two"

Today he was counting three coins - "one, two, (mumble)"

Carol
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: VDT's in Pregnancy (was Re: Newly Pregnant (what to do?)
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:19:03 GMT

[Kate, I seem to be following up on several of your posts. Cheers, Ashley]

In article <1992Dec29.145836.15855@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.001846.8305@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA> hollan@INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (Rene Hollan) writes:
>>
>>Anyway, onto my reasons for posting. I thought I would get others opinion on
>>pregnant moms using VDT's. I have heard so many different views on the subject
>>and don't know what to do. As I can't get an answer from my GYN until the 5th
>>I thought I would ask you what your doctor may have told you. I am hoping
>>that this is safe because I would miss not reading the net. Please send me 
>
>Well, let me give you the short answer first: you're fine sitting in
>front of a video display terminal or television, but avoid being
>*behind* them. If your office is set up with people's terminals
>back-to-back you may want to ask it be re-arranged so you don't sit
>behind someone else's screen.

Could you give more information on the dangers of sitting behind people's
terminals? I didn't see any more info about this in your post. At this
very moment my 5-mo-old is sitting next to my terminal (side by side 
with it). Could this be harmful?

--Ashley, ashley@oar.net
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Funny things they say, 22mo
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:33:30 GMT

I have to preface this by saying that I have to be one of the few
people who have slipped past the unofficial entrance exam and entered
RPI not liking beer or, worse, hockey.  My wife, on the other hand, is
a great fan.  Our daughter now goes to the campus day care center and
they frequently trot the toddler class over to the fieldhouse to watch
hockey practice.  

This evening, I was rocking my daughter to sleep in the living room and
the TV was on.  A commercial for the World Wrestling Federation show
at the local arena came on and my daughter perked up and offered
"Hockey!".  As violent and silly a "sport" as I think hockey to be,
that seemed particularly fitting; I haven't laughed so hard in days.

                                  Chris

-- 
------------------------------+------------------------------------------
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Internet: nelsonc@cs.rpi.edu  |  RENS-se-ler is a city. 
CompuServe: 70441,3321        |  R-P-I is a school in Troy!
From: michelle@play.esd.sgi.com (Michelle Boyd)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: looking for book
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:46:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <24607@galaxy.ucr.edu>, tadpole@ucrmath.ucr.edu (tad white) writes:
|> Some time ago my wife saw a children's book consisting primarily of
|> carefully composed photographs, each of which had a mouse in
|> some inconspicuous hiding place.  Unfortunately we don't know the
|> author or title.  If you have this book, or you think you know what
|> it is, I'd be most indebted if you can give me a pointer.  Thanks!
|> 
|> -- 
|> /********************************************************\
|> *  Tad White                  UCR Dept. of Mathematics  *      
|> *  tadpole@ucrmath.ucr.edu    Riverside, CA  92521      *
|> \********************************************************/


This is 'Goodnight Moon'.  It's a terrific book!  I'm planning
on buying a copy for our first (due ~June).  The pictures are 
drawn in really vivid colors and they get darker as you get
nearer the end of the book.  I can still remember looking for the
mouse when my mom read it to me.  I can't remember the author's 
name  ?Brown maybe.

michelle
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:22:08 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <1992Dec31.172430.24047@newstand.syr.edu> 
kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) playing Mr. Ranger
quotes Yogi Bear:

>
>Or as Yogi Bear would say, "Sheesh!"
>
...

>Now you antis may wish to wait until you get some more convincing evidence
>that circumcision is a good idea...something like a study that proves that 1
>out of every 2 uncircumcised men dies from bad breath, or something like
>that (but then again, judging from some of the responses I've seen, someone
>would very likely say something akin to "But in that study, the 50% who died
>of bad breath lived in a place where there was no access to Listerine, so it
>was flawed and doesn't prove anything!").

Wouldn't one want to study the incidence of halitosis coupled
necrosis in the Partners of Uncircumcised Men?

Extremely few people are as flexible and endowed as John Holmes
was, even after his operation.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
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