From: blrj_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (MUSTT MALANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Qadiyani's and Pak Consulate
Keywords: Ahmaiyya Islam
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:18:35 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center

In article <1992Apr17.052453.66955@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) writes:
> In article <Apr.11.16.28.01.1992.5428@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
> hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eagle Squad) writes:
> > 
> > 	I had to get my passport renewed at the New York Embassy.
> > 	To get it done they made me fill out a form "s".  It contained 
> > 	the following lines ;
> > 
> > 	"...I believe that prophet Muhammad was the last messenger and
> > 	will not accept any recent claims to prophet hood by anyone.  I
> > 	aslo firmly believe that neither Ahmedi`s nor Qadiyani`s are 
> > 	muslims....."
> > 
> > 	Having little knowledge about the Ahmedi`s and the Qadiyani`s
> > 	I am not in a postion to say much, but the Pakistani Govt does
> > 	NOT regard them as muslims.  Therefore I DO NOT regard them as 
> > 	muslims.
> > 
> 
> 
> If you have less knowledge about Ahmadi Muslims, then don't pass
> judgements. Get some knowledge and prove them to be non-muslims. The
> Pakistani Govt is no authority. The Pakistani Govt has no right what so
> ever to call any body non-muslims. Only Allah knows who is muslim and
> who is not. The stuff included in the passport form is non-sence. It is
> a shame for the Pakistani Govt to do that.
> 

Assalamu alaikum

Correct me if I am wrong because I am working along the rational        
assumption that you are a Pakistani National and therefore a Pakistani 
Passport holder.  
If this assumption is correct, then that means that at one point or antoher
you either signed this same documentation, which includes the aforementioned
words that state the unislamic nature of people following the Qadiyani/Ahmadi
religion [I will not call it Islam as I do not believe it to be so - flame me
if it will make all of you happier and more confident by attacking and     
provoking someone who does not believe you].  Going back to my original argumentas I was developing it.  
If you signed this documentation and signed the dotted line at the bottom then
that means that you have agreed to all the terms and conditions set in the 
documents.  It also means that to the best of your knowledge all of the      
information included in the forms is true.                               
Thus, all of the Qadiani's holding valid Pakistani passports have stated their belief that Qadiani's are unIslamic by the simple signing of the passport forms.
and if they have stated this to be true to the best of their knowledge then are either [i] denying their very existance as a religious sect of Islam which they so vehemently and vigourously try to propogate; [ii] accepting their folly and resigning themselves to the fact that they are not what they seem to themselves (i.e. they are trully unislamic and have seen their wrongdoings); [iii] or both!
Also, with the holy month of zul hajj coming up, it seems logical that of the reported 77,000 pilgrims traveling from pakistan, a number of them will be of the Ahmadi and Qadiyani school of thought.  To me it seems that these people are performing the holy pilgrimage on the basis of a number of lies.  First is the one that they signed and attested to for their passport documents (i.e. that they are not Ahmadis and deny the fact that the faith of Qadiyanis/Ahmadis is Islamic).Secondly, I know for a fact tha



t Saudia Arabia does not allow Qadiyani's into the country, especially for religious pilgrimages.  The fact that the Qadiyani's will lie to complete the hajj makes their hajj seem worthless, dishonorable and disrespectful, at least for me that is. I cannot speak for the rest of the Islamic world, the net and least of all Allah.                                  
But thinking as logically as I can, it seems that anything based on a false notion cannot be true... just refer to your basic truth tables (I think that's right someone correct me if i am wrong)...or taking a parallel notion...
You meet the person of your respective dreams.  That person tells you that he she is from such and such khandan.  Lets presume that one of your requirements for marriage is that your prospective spouse be from the same khandan/beradari.
This is definitaly good news isn't it? The person of your dreams and nothing to stop you from marrying.  However after marriage you discover that the person is not really from the same khandan and manipulated your desires and prerequisites to gain access to your assets and holdings.  How do you feel now... Can you accept this lie as it is and pretend nothing happened?   
Similarly, this is why Qadiyani's seem to be living in a state of falsehood.
Since I have a quiz in 5 mins I have to stop now.  Maybe I shall go on.  Maybe not.  But at least I'm not lying to anyone about what I am or who I am.  

MUSTT [honesty is truelly hard to find these days isn't it] MALANG