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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:28:06 GMT

In article <koenig.726440963@hydra> koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig) writes:

>bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>>Golf was fine without the yahoos who think "oh, cool, let's
>>go show these golf guys how to have fun."  It's less fun
>>with their insipid, loud, distracting attitudes towards the
>>players and other fans.

>Golf was also fine without the legions of yuppies that took it up 10 yrs.
>ago too.  Golf was also fine without the tight-assed country clubbers that
>think the game is only for them and their closest ass-licking associates.

Actually, you're both right.  Most of us don't care too much about
what a player does off the course (within limits); there's plenty
to be concerned about *on* the course.  In the PGA, this is mostly
confined to slow play, but in the RW (real world) we who are confined
to public golf are faced with a variety of transgressions of rules and
etiquette that significantly lower the enjoyment level.  I for one
don't care what a saint or felon a playing partner is in the RW; if
he plays without delay, honors the rules, refrains from trashing the
course and doesn't fart during my backswing he's OK on the course.

I'd sooner see Bernhard Langer punished for his on-course conduct than
John Daly for his off-course conduct.
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From: bmatalon@frx738.intel.com (B. Matalone - EPG )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Maui Vacation
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:00:00 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation


Hi guys and gals,

I am just so excited, my Christmas present is a trip to
Maui, Hawaii. Now I've never been there, but I have seen
and heard wonderful things about the courses. I'm asking
for just a little help....I've only been playing golf
for a little over a year, I think I'm  good for the time
I've been playing...What I'm looking for are a few hints
on the course at Kaanapali and Wailea (I know I have
times at these courses) . Nothing too 
technical just a few pointers that I might help me 
pull off a shot or two so I can look a little seasoned.
Maybe a little tidbit of info about the course to keep things
interesting.....?? 

I usually tee off with my 4 iron (I'm just not ready
for those woods, I try but .. no good) It goes straight
and 150-165 yards (slight wind to my back helps) 
My pitch is probably my worst....I putt well when I keep
away from the club house or those funny tall drinks with
umbrellas in them, provided the green is somewhat honest,
Sad when there are sooo many variables to determine my
game...Oh well, I will get better. 

Thanks for your help in advance.

Barbara


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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Re: Positioning/addressing Golf Ball
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 02:10:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


In article <lkn0mcINNefp@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> kho@kho.Eng.Sun.COM (K.Y. Ho) writes:
>Two beginner questions...
>
>1. I can see that, as the clubs get longer, the ball would have to move
>   further away from your body because it will creat a bigger arc. But 
>   why does the ball have to move closer to lining up with your left heel?
>   
>   Lets say the club come in perfectly squre with a 9 iron while the ball
>   is in the middle of my stance. Now if I change to a 3 iron, move the ball
>   further away that lining up with my left heel and I use the same swing 
>   as in the case with the 9 iron, wouldn't I be be slicing the ball?  
>   (I am assuming the the arc created by my club face is perpendicular with 
>   the middle line of my stance; passing that, the club will be coming in 
>   from outside. What's wrong with this theory?)
> 
>2. I have seen my people(even pros) addressing their ball while hitting with
>   their woods the same way whether the ball is on the tee or not. Usually, 
>   the ball line up with the left heel. How can they be using the same swing? 
>   As I understand it, when tee-ing off, you hit the ball when the club is 
>   coming up. If these people are truely using the same swing, wouldn't they
>   be scouping up dirt if the ball is not on a tee. I think I am missing 
>   something here. Please enlighthen. 
>   
>   I also seen some people address the ball about 3/4" from the ground, is 
>   this a good approach?
>
>Thanks for any good tips.
>K.Ho
>
>
>
>
From: n4hy@tang.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:22:59 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research
In-reply-to: p00168@psilink.com's message of 11 Jan 93 18:48:11 GMT


>And miss it, and miss it again, and miss it in slow motion, and 
>miss it as we go to commercial break, and miss it during the recap,
>and miss it no less than ten times.  Couldn't we have seen Chip Beck hit
>just one shot instead?  And miss it again on the evening 


No one is defending ABC's abysmal coverage/editing (I hope).  I am still
of the opinion that short putts should be made.  I ALWAYS tape the event
and watch it after my kids are gone to bed and I edit out commercials,
Brent Fussbudget, and Peter Losthisgolf-sen.

BMc
From: n4hy@harder.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:49:07 GMT
Organization: IDA Center for Communications Research
In-reply-to: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com's message of 8 Jan 93 18:15:17 GMT


In article <2935516447.6.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com
>> writes:
>>I also agree that they show way too many short putts.

>I think it's purely a logistical thing.

I could not disagree more.  Anyone watching Azinger miss two short putts and
it be the cause of his loss (I attribute the other stroke to loss of
confidence) in the Tournament of Champions knows the importance of making
every stroke count until it is in the hole.

BMc
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From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:56:09 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   7 Jan 1993 03:27:06 GMT
>FROM:   Isaac Kim <kim@guppy.uucp>
[...]
>What would they do if two players tied for the lead in the US amateur,
>>approaching their shots to the 72nd hole, suddenly had one step briskly
>>ahead of the other, arrive at his ball which is several yards closer to the 
>>hole than his opponent's, grab a club and stone it 3 feet from the flag?  
>>I don't know.  Does the player who should have played first (by etiquette 
>>alone according to your summary), have a grievance?  I don't know.  
>
>Since this is the US Amateur, the final rounds are match play.  The 
>first player would have to hit his or she shot again if requested as 
>stated in the match play rules above.  Now, if it was the US Open...
>
>Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)

Yeah.  I swear, I got lost in the past.  My hayday was the middle sixties
when the US Amateur was medal (65-72).  So make it the US Open.  You
know what I meant. 8^(chagrin).

And I got my ass handed to me for not remembering it was Lawson Little.
(At least that's what I was told.  I'm too lazy to look it up and my
memory is full of brown holes.)

-jim

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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:35:55 GMT

n4hy@wahoo.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:


>Come on!  You have got to be kidding!   You don't think Beaman gave him any
>choice in the matter do you?  The guy went on a drunken rampage, destroyed

Beaman supposedly threatened him with a year's suspension.  He has the
power to suspend players for drug/alcohol use.  No one has said if Daly was
going to go to the clinic before the threat or if the threat even occurred.

>the interior of his million dollar house at Castle Pines, and rearranged his
>wife's body for her before she called the cops.  I am disgusted beyond repair
>with this guy.  I would never let him walk on a golf course again.  He has
>a few million dollars in the bank.  Let him take that and live on it and
>not subject those who are his former fans to the disappointment of ever
>having to see the SOB again.

John Daly obviously has a serious drinking problem.  He seems to have two
personalities.  All the reports I've seen say he is one of the nicest
people around when he is sober, but when he drinks he obviously has a very
mean and nasty personality that can come out.  If he can get into an
alcohol rehabilitation clinic, get himself cleaned up, and quit drinking, he
might be able to make up for some of the disappointment and anger he has caused.

I don't excuse him of his misdeeds just because he was drunk, but I
also think that if he is willing to work at cleaning himself up, he should
get another chance.  Not as many as Steve Howe has had, but at least one.

For those of you who think he is such a bad guy, did you know that he gave
$30,000 of his winning from the PGA Championship to the family of a man who
was killed by lightning during that tournament and has promised to play a
charity exhibition in Indianapolis every year.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com

>Bob


-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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From: jimh@sequent.com (Jim Harrie)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:20:13 GMT

> Jim Harrie (jimh@sequent.com) World Wide Technical Support 
> Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. (503) 578-5778 
Sorry about the extraneous duplicate posts. The mailer seemed to hang
so I killed it but it sent the post anyway. I guess I made my point,
huh?   8-) 8-)


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 Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. (503) 578-5778 
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From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Tournamt. of Champs. - Start of '93 PGA season
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:16:07 GMT

martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera) writes:
: A couple of things I noticed: Azinger's bag reads "Hurricane", but he plays
: with McGregor irons. 

Azinger plays Hurricane wedges.

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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Looks like Rome, NY
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:42:19 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <2935735470.1.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:>>FROM:   Isaac Kim <kim@guppy.uucp>
>>
>
>About the only golfing advantage in this neck of the woods is that there 
>are lots of courses and not many players.  During the week, especially 
>on so-so days, there are whole afternoons when maybe one or two foursomes 
>will tee off -- and this is an entirely public golf course similar to many 
>others in the area.  Of course, 1/2 the time they're gonna be farmers that 
>don't know enough to let you play through.  8^(  Weekend mornings in the 
>summer it can get pretty slow, though.  We call it "California Golf" 
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why do you pick on California?

>But what I REALLY wanted to say was that the tournament today (TofC) 
>looked just like the middle of the summer in Rome!  I almost always wear 
>my pants tucked into my socks, lose at least one ball in the slapdab 
>center of the fairway, get completely splattered with mud, and need a 
>shovel to repair the ball marks on the greens.  The poor darlings!

This new southern California weather sucks.  It's been too wet to play 
for two weeks now.  I also have had to wear long pants for the last 
two weeks.  Time to move to better golfing climate.  
  
>-jim

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)

Oh well, maybe the sun will come out tomorrow and it will be back to
shorts and a nice dry golf course.
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From: peak@abacus.Columbia.NCR.COM (Bob Peak)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:42:00 GMT

In article <JEFFK.93Jan7102223@dosXX.med.utah.edu> jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell) writes:
>=======================================================
>
>Bernard's putt was not a two-footer.
>
>I recorded the Ryder Cup, and have watched 
>the tape several times.  That putt was 
>definately no closer than three feet, and 
>was more likely four feet or more.
>
>For me, this year's Ryder Cup was absolutely
>the most intense and exciting sporting event
>I have ever seen.  How about: Lanny Wadkins 
>breaking into tears of relief after winning 
>his match; Zinger and Jose slugging it out;
>the 17th hole tee-shot-from-hell; the fold 
>and subsequent salvation of Mark Calc...
>
>
>
>jeff
>
>feitctaj

I was fortunate enough to attend the Ryder Cup and was standing back in
the fairway when Bernhard (sp ?) missed THE PUTT. It was closer to a 
four footer than two. The pressure must have been incredible. My heart
was pounding like crazy - I can't imagine what he felt like.


Anyway, I played the Ocean Course last summer, and hanging in the clubhouse
above the Ryder Cup trophy case is a GIANT picture of THE PUTT sliding by
the hole. Bernhard's face is sort of twisted-up with agony as he stares
upward.  It's an amazing picture.


Bob
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Speeding Up Play
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:30:48 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

>Last summer we came up with the following solution which takes about 45 minutes
>off a round:  drop the "honors" courtesy.  Whoever is ready, hits.  Even on the
>green.  Think about it, saving 3 minutes a hole would save almost an hour off
>your time.  How long do "you" wait for your playing partners.

You  came up with what is known all around the golf  world as "ready
golf!"  Ready golf is an excellent invention and should be the standard
method of play on public courses.  In my opinion, watching pros on TV
has slowed up golf.  What happens to a pro, who can tell the difference
in a 1.5 and a 2 inch break in a 30 foot and what happens to a 25
handicapper  are quite different.

We try to play ready golf, but so many are so conditioned to waiting
aimlessly until "it's their turn" that ready golf really has a hard time
getting started.

When I was playing college golf, we often played 6-somes.  We played
gimmies of 18 inches or less and ready golf except for greens and some
tee shots.  We often finished in less than 3.5 hours, with most of us
walking.  Of course, when you worst score on 9 is about 40, things go
much more quickly.

I hope you enjoy your ready golf.  I wish it     became the norm; but
with TV there is little hope.

=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:57:42 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <C0Fq3H.6nE@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
>You have to be kidding.  John Daly is absolutely the most popular new player
>out there today.  Of course, he has his problems in the "gentlemenly" sport 
>of golf.  But he is genuinely exciting to watch, confounding the experts with
>his superlong drives and super quick play.

Jack Nicklaus is popular.

Tom Kite is popular.

Arnold Palmer is popular.

John Daly is populist.

We don't need this in golf; never have; never will.

Take the drugs and personality problems back to football,
where they belong.

>The other obvious thing here is that his wife did not press charges.  How
>can you deprive a person of a huge income when no charges have been filed?

Grow up.  And pray that she does, too.

				--Blair
				  "You da slob."
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From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub)
Subject: Annual Greens Fees and Minimums
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:54:05 GMT

Our club has just been purchased by some folks who have instituted
what seem to be odd pricing policies.  I would be interested in
hearing something about pricing from anybody who is willing to reply.

To structure the responses for easier summary, please give me the
following information.  I'll summarize
1. Course/Club Name, City/town, state/province/country.
2. Public, semi private, private. (if non public, is it an equity club
   or a management club?)
3. Annual rate (per person, per family) whether there is there a per
   round fee on top of the annual/monthly payment.
4. Bar/restaurant minimum if any.  (does facility serve liquor?)
5. Pro shop minimum if any.
6. Range plan if any. (can you get range balls on an annual basis or is
   charge by bucket)
7. Cart/trail fee policy if known.
-- 

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on leave at the University of Iowa  cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739
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From: avdavid@teal.csn.org (David Ewing)
Subject: Re: Torrey Pines
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:28:19 GMT

gf0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary Franko) writes:


>  Torrey Pines is located between La Jolla and Del Mar, about two miles
>north of the UCSD campus. 

>  There are two courses the North and the South. The South course is where 
>the PGA tour plays. 

Actually, the tour plays both courses.  On Thursday, half the field
play the South and half play the North.  On Friday, they swap.
During the weekend, they only play the South.

>Both courses border the ocean, at least the cliffs that look over the ocean.
>The views are spectacular. 

This is true.  The North course has the better views (Number 6, a downhill
par 3 overlooking La Jolla Cove is one of the most beautiful spots in 
the city).

>  I have played both the North and the South couses at least a dozen times
>each, I think they are great. 

The South is longer and about 2 -4 shots harder, but the North is very
fun for the average golfer.

>  When I played there last (about 4 years ago) the green fees were CHEAP,
>I think it was something like $13 for 18 holes if you walked. I know that
>they were going to at least double the rates that year. 

There are three rates:  one for residents of the City of San Diego
(very reasonable -- $16.50 on weekends), slightly higher for residents
of the county of San Diego, and fairly stiff for the tourists
(about $45.00).

The course can get a little ragged due to the number of rounds played
on it per year and the limited municipal budget.  It usually is in
very good shape right after the Open (mid February).  Playing right
before the Open can be a little disappointing because they close
(or shorten) several tee boxes.

Torrey was my home course for years until I moved to Colorado.
It's one of the things I miss most about San Diego (although
I don't miss the hassle in trying to get a tee time every Saturday
morning at 5:00 am).

(Hi Martin!)

 
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From: cih@sequent.com (Christopher I. Haight)
Subject: Torrey Pines
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:59:15 GMT


Can anyone give me any info on Torrey Pines in La Jolla.

Thanks!
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From: leonard@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Leonard Toohey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Value of old Ray Cook putter??
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:36:10 GMT
Reply-To: leonard@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Leonard Toohey)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers; Austin TX
Originator: leonard@norma

Greetings,

Can anyone tell me if an old Ray Cook putter is worth more than
the $5.00 I paid for it at a garage sale?

Stamped on the bottom is...(as best as I remember)

		Ray Cook

	      Vibra-Groov

	Model-1		S.A. Texas

It is in pretty fair shape.

Thanks,

 
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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah
	<lkompjINNnih@deimos.cs.utexas.edu>
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:22:23

...

   Gimmes??  Who can forget Bernard Langer's two foot putt in last year's
   RYDER CUP.  The entire CUP rode on his making a two-footer (or less).
   The pressure was unbelievable, and yes.......he missed it.  IMHO one of
   the most exciting moments in golf.
...
=======================================================

Bernard's putt was not a two-footer.

I recorded the Ryder Cup, and have watched 
the tape several times.  That putt was 
definately no closer than three feet, and 
was more likely four feet or more.

For me, this year's Ryder Cup was absolutely
the most intense and exciting sporting event
I have ever seen.  How about: Lanny Wadkins 
breaking into tears of relief after winning 
his match; Zinger and Jose slugging it out;
the 17th hole tee-shot-from-hell; the fold 
and subsequent salvation of Mark Calc...



jeff

feitctaj
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