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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Afa training..
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:50:00 -0800

MS|| WJV> Red Cross Prehospital
  || WJV> medicine has evolved dramatically over the past 20 years. AFA
was, in
  || WJV> it's time, the standard of care. This was at a time when
ambulance
  || WJV> crews basically ran "scope and swoop" operations. Although If
you do
  || WJV> want to help others the answer to your question should be
obvious. As
  || WJV> yourself this: If you were lying in the street critically
injured, wh
  || WJV> would you want taking care of you, someone with 40 hours of
training
  || WJV> (AFA), or someone with triple that training (EMT).


Mike,

The above statement was a quote of a message I had sent to someone and
I
am responsible for it's content. I will therefore address your post.

I was NOT putting ARC down, nor do I think ARC is out of touch. I am in
fact an ARC instructor, IT, and past Safety Service Director.

I belies that the AFA course is still a useful course and has it's
place
in the pre-hospital environment. That place however, IMHO, is NOT in
the
back of an ambulance. As I stated in the complete original post, AFA is
fine for a First Responder (almost, be the lacking issues are being
address in the next course update). The public however, has come to
expect, as is their right, that the personnel crewing an EMS ambulance
be trained to a certain level. I believe that minimum is now EMT-A. If
you doubt this fact, Try a little survey in front of your local
supermarket on Saturday morning. Just ask passersby what level they
THINK are crewing their local ambulance. The answer might surprise you.
I actually did this once to prove a point to someone. Of the people who
had an opinion 87% believed and expected at least an EMT.


Regards,

KMA

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From: Ken.Storm@f108.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Ken Storm)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Listing...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:58:33 -0800

Chuck,

This echo was moved from FIDONET.NA to FIDONET.NO and is no longer on
the BACKBONE.

Will it again be placed on the  BACKBONE?  It needs to be Elisted again
and a message sent to John Souvestre.

I have carried this echo for a long time now and my users would miss it
if it were no longer available.

Ken Storm, SysOp, STEAMER ONE

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: denning@chirpa.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Looking for Police Dept patches
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:45:47 GMT


I have recently taken over as the Platoon Sergeant for a military police
detachment here in mass.

We have a small collection of patches from police depts around the country. 
I would like to start expanding the collection.

If anybody out there would be willing to help me out that would be great.

I would be willing to pay the cost of shipping.

This unit went to Saudi for Desert Storm.

THanks

Don
From: Ray.Haring@f71.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Ray Haring)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Volunteer vs. paid
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:23:04 -0800

I think you folks are missing the point. There a three types of Fire 
Fighter. Volunteer, Paid, and PROFESSIONAL.  Either of the fist two
groups 
listed can be part of the third group, however, each must respect the 
other. I have been on both sides of the fence and you know, when  in
a burning building the fire has never asked me if I paid or volunteer.
Look
around, were all trying to win at the same game!

Ray Haring
Va Beach Fire Dept, Hazmat Team

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From: Paul.Vallone@f233.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Vallone)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: FIRE.GIFS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:10:00 -0800

On <13 Nov, 11:09>, MHODOSH1 wrote to All :

M> From: MHODOSH1@ITHACA.BITNET
M>
M> I noticed that someone has some gif files??? I'd be interested in
getting
M> some.  You said that you had fire.gifs, but would you happen to have
any
M> ambulance or ems gif files??
M>
M> Marc Hodosh
M> mhodosh1@ithaca
Yes I do have Amblance and EMS Gif files...Just FREQ WHISTLE.ARJ
file list.I have a file area called FireGifs..They are in that area..
1(413)448-6292 or FidoNet 1:321/233..

Paul Vallone
SysOp..
Whistle Stop "Berkshire County Fire Board"

P.s if you have any Fire/Ems/Gif files to share just send them to that
address ..  
 
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From: Doug.Plaza@f413.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Plaza)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: What is policy for dr
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:26:00 -0800

JM>Thankyou, This is what I was wondering. Not so much the lights, but
what do
JM>you do upon coming to a Red light, Even in a green light you go with
JM>caution, but should you wait at the Red? items like that...

You are probably best off to check your local laws and department
policies regarding this type of POV operation.  My personal opinion is
that you should operate any emergency vehicle in the safest possible
manner keeping in mind the nature of the response; ie. don't try and
cross an eight lane highway against a red light for a garbage can fire!
If a "lights and siren" response is not neccessary don't use them. 
I've
seen to many ambulances or fire trucks abuse the use of warning
devices.
When an ambulance is on a routine transport and uses all its lights it
is abusing a privilege.  Even if the emergency vehicle sits at a red
light with all its lights on, waiting for the green, it is wrong.  The
cross traffic doesn't know what to do; does this vehicle want to cross
or not?  Is it worth your life or someone elses if a mistake is made?

                                    Doug Plaza MICP NJ

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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: MT-500 Low Band 33MHz
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:07:00 -0800

SM||     We are looking for 1 or 2 Motorola MT-500 Low Band 33 MHz.
  ||radios.  They must have at least 2 channel capability; would like 4
  ||Channel...
  ||     If anyone knows of any, please contact:
  || +.+c#Smo[+[D<+#^dO++#i*9Y  ||.*;f.J.G.=>jfdeU2+-e#B=OaA 
||aWu[Ff|ia<iQ+a<Mmx#_h;K#fS#o<J6+n4dDFu2+@f|Cu#~=<G/8Al:+/+Be>u+j+Uvfc

                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: Elliott.Johnston@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Elliott Johnston)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Emergency driving
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:22:00 -0800

JR>It is interesting to note that our EVOC instructor pointed out that
JR>under NYS law the only drivers that have to drive with "due regard
for
JR>the safety of others" are drivers of emergency vehicles. No one else
JR>has the burden of driving with due regard for safety of others.

JR>The civil juries will use this in every case to hang the driver of
the
JR>emergency vehicle.

JR>This is the clause the drunk that runs the red light and hits a fire
JR>truck will use to win some outlandish award.

....that is sad, ...really sad.

...but somehow, I'm not shocked.

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From: Dan.Guenthner@f48.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Guenthner)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: MT-500 Low Band 33MHz
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:12:24 -0800

SM>     If anyone knows of any, please contact: 
SM> .So[[^i9vMxPGACa~J;`--,);n .*;.=jd-B=OAm+{+n8v 
SM> W[FQa<Mx#_h;Kf<64F2@u~=G/8l:B>jUc (UXv{ bz&S4W8Y)27HE"5%c_2/N_n 
SM> LM{a|M&n/{\:h#7~Li1=KTgmCBMv1do&'Rn3 VT-0(DW3WY+<5kb)sq17(pVIEe`eai

SM> m/)2S`~s"F~ ij: m8uz X'1I=mZQ6 
SM> 48t3<`J~XBKb(zx:y 0Apcs4.\bYgoO7Qj4"E1r1 -f'tde4>jEp;g0D"dC 
SM> GBj"7BGz{fPvq)_PjC:W}R,j=p!6Y@QWT+ e'K5Qp^$n*&a!pHIQ"VGksEFmV 
SM> rMssRlS5Yb[C*3^W+"Qx`\3a/ ' 0 1 U10*~ees]RJb("%oPknyo_.a 
SM> [B[B[B 
 
And I pay to haul this stuff around??? Too much junk being hauled in 
this conference lately. 
 
Dan 
 
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From: Jack.Still@p3.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Still)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Cpr Standards
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:42:05 GMT

In a message on <Nov 17 23:31>, Wayne Ashworth of 1:379/308@FIDONET
writes:

 WA> Am looking for a copy of the new AHA standards on CPR in ASCII
 WA> for our BBS.  If anyone has one or knows of a source for same, I
 WA> would appreciate hearing from you.

Most word processor should be able to save it in ASCII for you. 
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From: mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Amber / Green lights
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:49:42 GMT
Organization: NJ Intercampus Network
Cc: mla

Ok, I've stayed out the light thing too long.....here goes the NJ
regs: (gee, we just taught these to 150 CEVO sutdents..)

	Red - Police cars, fire trucks, ambulances, medic rigs, chiefs
		cars.
	Blue - Volunteer firefighters and first aiders ONLY!!!!  Yes,
		some PD's use blue but it's ILLEGAL!
	Amber - Tow trucks, and any emerg vehicle, private security.
	Green - Command Post.
	White - Prohibited by state law, but some dept use them.
	Wigwags - NJ Law was just changed - They ARE LEGAL for emerg
		vehicle, BUT NOT POV'S.

That's according to NJ Motor Vehicle Law (Tittle 39).
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------
Marc L. Appelbaum, mla@pilot.njin.net 908-277-6039
From: Eddie.Ferguson@f709.n7301.z8.fidonet.org (Eddie Ferguson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Drug Testing
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:40:00 -0800

 >         I am the Asst. Chief of a small (30 member)
 > all volunteer department.  I was wondering if any
 > other volunteer departments have requirements for both
 > physical fitness and drug testing and how each one is
 > implemented and enforced.

Our department requires a physical and drug test for all new volunteers
(as for our paid members). Then, we pay for random drug screens for
other members. Our physical fitness is built into our training program,
though no specific test is required for new members.

            Eddie
            Sergeant, Peachtree City Fire and Rescue


BTW: We have about 15 paid members and 45 volunteers

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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Code 99
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:07:00 -0800

DS||        A question for all you rescue people out there from someone
who
  ||lives in a volunteer fire/rescue community in Maine...what does it
  ||specifically mean when someone (dispatcher, EMT, etc) says it's a
"code
  ||99"? I have a scanner at my home so I can hear all the excitement in
my
  ||town when an alarm goes off or there's an accident, and the other
night
  ||there was a "CODE 99" broadcast and two days later the patient's
  ||obituary was in the local paper.

Darryl,

Each community, and each agency in some cases, devise and use their own
codes for use over the radio. It is therefore impossible for anyone not
familiar with the community your are referring to to answer with
certainty, but given the info you provided I would guess that was the
code for either a cardiac arrest or DOA.


Regards,

KMA

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From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: volunteers
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:14:00 -0800

          George Puglisi sent

I hope you don"t mind me sticking my 2 cent in I knew to this
conference. I hope fireman never get the right to give tickets. We are
fireman we fight fires and try and teach people how to prevent fires we
are not cops. I think it would be very unwise and unsafe for us to try
and be a cop. I main toughts should be about getting our car or fire
truck safely to the fire and not about pulling someone over because of
there bad driving habits

That's NY...In NJ every Volunteer Fire Company/Department MAY have Fire
Police.  They usually complete the NJ State Fire Police schooling or a
NJSP-approved training course.  Their job is to help get the fire
equipment and personnel safely to the fire scene, protect the fire equip
& personnel, and protecting the fire scene/investigating a fire. The
cops don't need to be tied up at the fire scene and can preform their
job, unless they are required at the fire.  The NJSP training is very
good and is required before a Fire Policeman can preform his duties on
any state or county road. Bill Driver  Fire Police  EMT-A

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From: Andy.Spinella@p2.f190.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Andy Spinella)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Ambulance Cert
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:05:29 -0800

as far as i know no state allows low/high top or caddy ambulances any
more do to the fact most ambulance serveces now must be ALS certified
carrying at least 1 paramedic on board.  with the low top and caddy
style 
there just was not enough room for the nessessary equiptment needed for
the ALS certification.

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Ambulance Cert
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 20:29:24 -0800

I am writing a study for the Municipal League, and need the following 
information.  
     Which States still allow ambulance certification of Hightop and
Lowtop
suburbans and caddys for ambulance service.  
    Thanks


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From: Chris Kinsman <chrisk@remote.halcyon.com>
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: fire department monopoly
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:59:14 PST
Reply-To: chrisk@lexsoft.com
Distribution: world
Organization: LEX Software Systems, Inc.

I must admit that most of the departments that I have served in 
have provided transport if not ALS service in addition.  In one
instance a neighboring district (Bremerton) used a private service
for transport but provided their own ALS people.  I don't know if
their agreement with Olympic Ambulance still stands.  In my
experience albeit limited it seems like FD supported EMS is more
the rule than the exception.  Admittedly I have only served with
3 departments: Kitsap County Fire District 18/Poulsbo, Pullman
Fire Services, and Getchell Fire Department.

Chris
James.Ackerman@f139.n138.z1.fidonet.org (James Ackerman) writes:

> I am a five year paramedic working for Shepard LifeFleet in Tacoma, WA. 
> I am also a strong Union advocate.  Due to the recent budget crisis
> nation wide, we here in the Pacific Northwest are seeing the fire
> department expand into areas of ALS and patient transport traditionally
> help by my company, forcing people out of work.
>  
> What is most sad is the fire dept. is singing to the public of
> unanswered 911 calls and babies burning if the public does not approve
> their special levy.  What they are not telling them is that they will
> have to wait for a fire department paramedic unit to come even though a
> much closer and qualified private ambulance is closer, AND that they
> will not only increase taxes, but charge you a TRANSPORT FEE on
> top....usually more than a private carrier.  If it sounds like a
> political nightmare, IT IS......
>  
> It would not be as bad if the private carrier was doing a bad job, but
> we are not...LifeFleet is a well respected organization and we find we
> can acutally do a better and CHEAPER job than the fire dept. 
>  It seems they are trying to justify their existence by taking over 
> EMS, regardless of the patient care or cost factors.
>  
> My question is this....I hear this is a nation wide trend....Are there
> any other areas in which the fire dept. is trying to get into the
> ambulance business OR are there any other areas where they are trying to
> get OUT of the transport business?
>  
> REPLY to :
>  
> James Ackerman
> TACOMA, Wa 
> 
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From: Rick.Kingcade@f22.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Kingcade)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Short, personal, annoying, space eating, time consuming messages
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:07:00 -0800

Hello jpn1:

09 Nov 92, jpn1 writes to All:

 j> I notice a lot of these are coming from FidoNet.  I don't know why,
but you
 j> guys should be a little more considerate.  Please realize that
these
 j> messages come through with about 20 lines of header and 3 lines of
text,
 j> and get distributed throughout the world.  This wastes resources,
and net
 j> resources are not inexhaustable.  Here's a hint:  If you start the
message
 j> with a person's name it could probably be sent through e-mail. 
Also, think
 j> about the person 12,000 miles away reading the list:  will they know
what
 j> you're talking about or care?  If not, send it e-mail.

It's probably about as annoying to you as it is to us Fido-types to have
six lines of group.subgroup.whatever type stuff, and another six or ten
lines of macro-generated message signature.  Not to mention having to
respond to a person named (in this case) jpn1.  I don't know about
Usenet/Bitnet/whatever it is called, but on Fidonet many systems pay
based on the amount of data transferred, so overly long signatures and
extraneous routing information costs $$.

My point is, not only would fewer messages help, but 'paring' down the
superfluous stuff in the messages would do some good as well.

Rick

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From: Kurt.Ullman@f290.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Kurt Ullman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Photographers On Scen
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:06:03 -0800

BU>In other words, be nice to the press -- regardless of the stupid and
BU>dangerous things they often do -- because they might blackmail your
BU>department with bad ink?  <g>  Good press relations are useful -- but
under
BU>*no* circumstances will they dictate the level of safety enforced at
any
BU>incident under my control.

        I have found from personal experience on both sides of the
yellow "Do Not Cross" tape that good press relations usually takes care
of the other problems too.  It is when both sides get into pi***g
matches that the problems occur.  If something is a consistent problem,
have the top powers that be meet with their equal on the other side
(Chief to Editor) and work it out.  Freelancing in this matter can be
as
harmful to all, too.
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From: Elliott.Johnston@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Elliott Johnston)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: hazard lights on emer
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:21:00 -0800

RO>Not to mention those "Cross-fire" lights hitting traffic in the
RO>rear-view mirror comes in real handy for clearing traffic.

A properly tossed Mag-Lite may also come in handy for stubborn traffic
problems.

(Of course, I'm joking.    ....of course.)

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From: Darrin.Culver@f53.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Darrin Culver)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Voulunteer fd and lig
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:51:00 -0800

CE>Slow it down!!!!  You are not an emergency vechle.

        That is where I disagree. I have been following this thread
        about lights in p.o.v's for a while now. I havn't had too much
        to say because I have about beat this subject to death with
        others in this echo before. We each made the same points for
and
        against the use of lights in volunteer's vehicals. I must tell
        you tho..I am definitely in FAVOR of the use of lights. I have
a
        lightbar on my truck and two strobe flashers on my front
bumper,
        and I have no intentions of ever getting rid of them, unless
        ofcourse the KGB comes and takes them off themselves.

        Anyhow back to the disagreement. I believe that Volunteer
        Firefighters/EMT's driving Personal Vehicals should be
        designated as Emergency vehicals. After all, Nothing can get
        done untill we get there. Right?!?

        On the EMS side. I am an AEMT-D, I carry a jump bag and an O2
        cylandar in my truck. I have the capablility to keep a patient
        alive and a whole lot more comfortable until the ambulance gets
        there. I think that these reasons alone should designate our
        vehicals as EMERGENCY VEHICAL'S. After all we are transporting
        Emergency personel and equipment to the scene of an emergency.
        What does your rescue truck do??

        I would be happy to hear your further views on this issue.

                                                        Later;

                                                        Baby Huey


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