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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: The Crimes of the Sandinista Government (FSLN)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:48:49 GMT
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

In article <1992Sep14.132703.19495@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>The Crimes of the Sandinista Government (FSLN)...

Come now Harel, the crimes of the Sandinistas include censorship, jailing
people without trial, torture, killing opponents, and a host of laws
designed to suppress dissent.

I always thought you knew about these but approved of them since 'the
ends justifies the means'. Could it be that you are not aware of these
abuses? I'm sure you will find it more comforting to ignore this post
and pretend you didn't see it but I would be interested in your
answer.

   Allen

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From: AIY1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Religion and World Problems
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:06:10 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

The Office of Religious Affairs is organizing a dialouge on cotemporary world p
roblems and religion.  There will be a representative from Judaism, Christianit
y and Islam to address their religion's point of view.
When: Thursday, Sept. 17 1992, at 7:30
where: 112 Kern.  Every on is invited
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Austin, TX - M D A Protest
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.232556.9835@mont.cs.missouri.edu> ADAPT <cyanosis@igc.apc.org> writes:

	Austin, Texas, U S A - ADAPT protestors picketed the 
   Austin Hilton Hotel, 6000 Middle Fiskville Road, site of 
   the Austin local segments of the Jerry Lewis Muscular 
   Dystrophy Telethon, from about noon to 3 p m, this 
   American Labor Day, September 7, 1992.
	We did some chanting and we had some posters and 
   flyers.  "Jerry's Not Our Father - We're Not Kids!" was 
   one of the chants.  Reporters from two local television 
   stations and from the daily newspaper stopped by and 
   interviewed us.
       To my knowledge, protests of the Jerry Lewis Telethon 
   were scheduled for some 30 cities across America.  
   Austin's protest was a rather mild exercise of 
   Constitutional rights.  We await reports from other 
   cities.

First off, let me say I am no fan of Jerry Lewis.  I think he's a real
jerk.  That notwithstanding I simply do not understand why these people
are upset with him.  Over the years he has raised millions for muscular
dystrophy.  Now, the beneficiaries of that work object to him.  Talk
about biting the hand that feeds you.  Lewis said all when he said, "I
wasn't a bad guy when I raised that money for all those wheelchairs."
What a bunch of stinking ingrates.

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From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:06:41 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

I don't care.  The stuff (at least some of the flavors) is good.

If you are going to be so PC that you can't enjoy good music, good films,
good books, or good food without concerning yourself about the source,
I suggest getting a life.


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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: Somoza's Kingdom (Addendum)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.084326.29095@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>    In Honduras, plantation workers have been jailed by government
>    troops for organizing unions.

According to Amnesty International, Union organizers where a prime target
for Sandinista repression. If the union worker refused to ally himself with
the Sandinistas, he could be jailed, just like in Honduras.

But then, Harel likes the Sandinistas and doesn't like Honduras. That
is why he thinks one form of repression is bad but it is OK for others
to do the exact same thing. Ends justifies the means and all that.

  Allen
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:16:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <JYM.92Sep15001340@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>=o= I heard that "Snapple" brand drinks -- the favorite of
>everyone's favorite idiot radio show host -- donates part of
>their profits to anti-choice groups.  Can anyone confirm or
>deny this rumor?

Anti-choice? Ah, you mean pro-life. I hope the rumor is true. If so, 
I'll start buying more of it.
-- 
John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
                           | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (VI)
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.155922.16968@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>"Achievements in health care have also been great...

Except of course for the people tortured and killed by the Sandinista
army and Security Police. But then I'm sure Harel will assure us that
they deserved it. Got to break a few eggs to make a good omlet.

  Allen

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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:51:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu writes:
-In article <1992Sep15.134140.9520@mtu.edu>, mtjachim@mtu.edu 
-(Mr. M. T. Jachimstal) writes:
-|>jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
-|>>In article <JYM.92Sep15001340@remarque.berkeley.edu>
-|>jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
-|>>>=o= I heard that "Snapple" brand drinks -- the favorite of
-|>>>everyone's favorite idiot radio show host -- donates part of
-|>>>their profits to anti-choice groups.  Can anyone confirm or
-|>>>deny this rumor?
-|>>
-|>>Anti-choice? Ah, you mean pro-life. I hope the rumor is true. If so,
-|>|>>I'll start buying more of it.
-|>So if pro-life=anti-choice then pro-choice must mean anti-life, eh?
-|>
-|>Sounds good to me. Time to go out and buy a few cases of Snapple.
-
-Hey, I think it's great both you GUYS will never have an abortion,
-I probably will not either, now, let everyone else, particularly
-the women that will actually have to confront the situation, come
-to their own conclusions.

Well, I don't know if the executives of Kool-Aid donate their profits
to pro-choice/pro-abortion causes.

For avid Rush listeners, you know exactly what I mean. :)
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck (Duke BME '93)		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
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I'm too busy for my mail, too busy for my news, too busy for my calls.
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From: bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:26:27 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <JYM.92Sep15001340@remarque.berkeley.edu>, by jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer):
> =o= I heard that "Snapple" brand drinks -- the favorite of
> everyone's favorite idiot radio show host -- donates part of
> their profits to anti-choice groups.  Can anyone confirm or
> deny this rumor?
>     <_Jym_>

I can't confirm or deny this rumor, but if it's true, it gives me one more
reason to be a proud Snapple drinker.  By the way, friend, it is pro-life.

Bill Nolte

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Keywords: "Snapple", Quayle on Clinton, Micky Mouse characters 
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:51:22 GMT

> = (Mr. M. T. Jachimstal) writes:
>> = (John Switzer) writes:
>>> = (Jym Dyer) writes:

>>>=o= I heard that "Snapple" brand drinks -- the favorite of
>>>everyone's favorite idiot radio show host -- donates part of
>>>their profits to anti-choice groups.  Can anyone confirm or
>>>deny this rumor?

>>Anti-choice? Ah, you mean pro-life. 

Actually, "anti-choice" is literally true.  "Pro-life", of course,
refers only to *fetal* life; hence, you goofs couldn't even think
of an honest self-label :-).

>>I hope the rumor is true. If so, I'll start buying more of it.

It *does* have more of that ingredient "braindead religious
fanaticism", though _you_ should be wary of overdosing.

>>  50 years from now, no one will
>>  remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
>>  Brown, but every school kid will
>>  be taught about President Quayle.

Ha ha!  You mean vapid, low-brow losers will learn how to rig
elections?  ...Else, I question what appeal you see in Mr. Potatoe
Head.

This DUMBSHIT, grinning like a silly ape (and I'm serious, he
*looks* like one that just ate a banana), took Clinton to task
last week.  Clinton had said that "Patriot missiles" could go down
chimneys and turn corners at a rally earlier in the day.

Ol' Vacuum Brain, the VP for *4 years*, with a wealth of aides and
other Yes-men to do his every bit of research, STILL was so
humorously brain-dead that he tried to be crushing by repeating
what Clinton had misstated, and adding that EVERYone knew it was
"cruise missiles, not Patriots".

It was neither.  It was laser-guided smart bombs, Dan, you flapping sole
:-).  What a maroon.

I hope you do vote for him, John.  We need to isolate you
lunatic-fringers.

>So if pro-life=anti-choice then pro-choice must mean anti-life, eh?

Ha ha!  

No.  Spend more time thinking up jokes, or they'll ALL be this
lame.

>Sounds good to me. Time to go out and buy a few cases of Snapple.

Why do I envision you saying this with a Goofy voice, and your
upper teeth hiding your lower lip?                           

-- 
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steven@advtech.USWest.Com
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep15.150319.10154@guinness.idbsu.edu>
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:33:36

I particularly like Snapple raspberry flavored iced tea.  My six
year old son likes it too.

Remember boycott Tom and Jerry ice cream.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: Tom and Jerry? (was Snapple "Anti-Choice?")
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:49:45 GMT
Keywords: flubbydubbysnertwerts

In article <1992Sep15.191208.18251@ncsu.edu> sgparker@eos.ncsu.edu (SCOTT GRAHAM PARKERSON) writes:
> 
> 
> } Remember boycott Tom and Jerry ice cream.
> 
> Ekscuze me, but why should _I_ boycott Tom and Jerry ice cream (or are you
> talking about BEN and Jerry's ice cream--I've never heard of T&J's)?  What the 
> hell did the product do that was so bad that _I_ should boycott?  Please
> 

Maybe he just hates Cornell alumni.

Maybe he doesn't think preserving the rain forests is a good
idea.

Just saw a program about the use of enzymes in snake venom to
treat a variety of blood disorders, many of which are common
and often fatal.  Then I thought about the enormous variety
of plant life in the rain forests and how a great many of our
most useful and least harmful medications are plant products,
and how many plants have yet to be discovered and studied in
the rain forests.  And then I thought how my eyes are 550 over
20 in one eye and 500 over 20 in the other, and yet there
are so many people with 20/20 vision who are so much more
short-sighted than I am.

And Chunky Monkey is good stuff.

Dean Kaflowitz
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Memories Longer than Two Weeks
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:51:42

I take it then that Knightley, unlike I. F. Stone, did not take
seriously the hypothesis that the South Koreans started the war.  Did
he mention it at all other than as a creation of communist propaganda?
Did he write before or after the Khrushchev secret tapes were
published (1989?) in which Khrushchev described Kim Il Sung's
successful effort to get Stalin's support for the North Korean
invasion of South Korea?  If after, does Knightley mention
Khrushchev's revelations?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Getting has good as he gives :) ...Re: Usual libels against Chomsky
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:59:51 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1SEP199222301798@reg.triumf.ca>, orwell@reg.triumf.ca (BALDEN, RON) writes:
...
> Page 67:
> "  A critical element of the [Reagan] administration's campaign, 
> therefore, has been a broad series of accusations, regularly repeated, 
> of Soviet expansionism, Soviet violations of arms treaties, Soviet
> intransigence in arms negotiations, Soviet initiatives in the arms
> race, Soviet planning for nuclear war, Soviet use of inhumane weapons,
> Soviet violations of human rights, and Soviet support of violence and
> terrorism throughout the world.
> 
>    The book examines these accusations and finds that, **apart from
> Soviet human rights violations** [my emphasis], which our press
> heavily emphasizes over serious violations that occur in other parts
> of the world, almost all of the remaining charges are wholly without
> foundations.  

	Only to those who refuse to read a little.  Soviet treaty violations
are numerous.  From their rape of Eastern Europe all the way up to their
blatent violations of SALT I and ABM.

	Yelstin also publicaly acknowledge that the Soviets had an active
BIO-CHEM warfare program up until the mid-70s.

	Their dropping of anti-personnel mines disguised as toys in Afghanistan
is well documented.

	Need any more?

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: "Snapple" Anti-Choice?
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:55:17 GMT

jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn) writes:

>In article <1992Sep15.134140.9520@mtu.edu>, mtjachim@mtu.edu 
>(Mr. M. T. Jachimstal) writes:
>|>jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>|>>In article <JYM.92Sep15001340@remarque.berkeley.edu>
>|>jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>|>>>=o= I heard that "Snapple" brand drinks -- the favorite of
>|>>>everyone's favorite idiot radio show host -- donates part of
>|>>>their profits to anti-choice groups.  Can anyone confirm or
>|>>>deny this rumor?
>|>>
>|>>Anti-choice? Ah, you mean pro-life. I hope the rumor is true. If so,
>|>|>>I'll start buying more of it.
>|>>-- 
>|>>John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
>|>>                           | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
>|>>74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
>|>>jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.
>|>
>|>So if pro-life=anti-choice then pro-choice must mean anti-life, eh?
>|>
>|>Sounds good to me. Time to go out and buy a few cases of Snapple.
>|>
>|>Matthew

>Hey, I think it's great both you GUYS will never have an abortion,
>I probably will not either, now, let everyone else, particularly
>the women that will actually have to confront the situation, come
>to their own conclusions.

Oh, by all means, let's have a full-blown flame war over abortion.
Heaven knows we haven't had one of those in a few days...

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
From: mcgredo@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Don McGregor)
Subject: Re: The Crimes of Nicaragua (V)
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.150905.4837@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.084316.12270@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>>The Crimes of Nicaragua (V)...
>
>You would think a posting about the crimes of the Sandinsitas would
>mention all those political prisoners. But then Harel is pretending
>they don't exist.
>

Here's a proposal that might help things along.  Harel can either
agree or disagree with the following statement. I've typed it out
for him so that he won't need to waste any time himself, but rather
devote his full energies to attacking things that have a higher
priority.  I think he can spare the less than a minute it would
take to follow up the article, inlcude the text, and type in
the words "I agree with this."

  #begin statement

  I recognize that the Saninistas committed human rights abuses, 
  including conducting trials that fell short of international
  standards of justice, performing extrajudicial killings,
  and restricting freedom of expression.  I condemn all such
  actions.

  #end statement.

  I'll email a copy to harelb@math.cornell.edu, since he
  "doesn't follow this group."

  This would certainly clear up a lot of confusion of the subject.
  I read his multiple-part series, but never did see him actually
  condemn the abuses. 

-- 
Don McGregor             | "I..I blame society.  Society made me  
mcgredo@prism.cs.orst.edu|  what I am."
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From: pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Subject: Re: Gas Tax, Inflationary, Regressive?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:26:41 GMT

In article <EedqV8G00YV7I1pXgc@andrew.cmu.edu> ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Smith) writes:
>I'm no expert on either tax systems or gasoline consumption or
>inflation, however, I have noticed something upon moving from a state
>with relatively low gas taxes, Ohio, to one with relatively high gas
>taxes, Pennsylvania:  gasoline is not the only thing that is
>significantly more expensive.  Gasoline in Pittsburgh is about 10 - 12
>cent a gallon more expensive than in Cleveland.  These two cities are
>comparable in many ways, including cost of living.  I have noticed,
>though that anything requiring transportation is also much more
>expensive in Pittsburgh, especially groceries.  
>
What are the relative gas taxes of Pennsylvania relative to Ohio?  The
most recent numbers I could find were for 1991 and then the gas taxes
were 18 cents per gallon for Ohio and 12 cents per gallon for Pennsylvania.
Perhaps what you are observing is that whatever is causing a higher cost
of food in Pittsburgh is also causing a higher price of gasoline.  

As another anecdotal data point last year I moved from Massachusetts to
New Jersey.  I noticed that gasoline prices were lower in New Jersey
than in Mass. but that food prices were higher.  Gas taxes are lower in
NJ as well.

>It seems to me that gasoline taxes may contribute seriously to inflation.
>
>Also, rural populations would be hurt more by gasoline taxes than urban
>populations, not only because they must travel larger distances for even
>essential errands (graoceries and doctor's offices/hospitals) but also
>because their entire economy is agriculture, which is very
>feul-intensive.  
>
Yes this is true.  In fact, it is even worse than you state because many
(perhaps most) small farmers cannot make a living just being farmers.
They often have another job which, naturally, has relatively long
commuting distances involved.  However, these people will also have the
bigest incentive to conserve energy in the face of high fuel costs.  If
one accepts the stereotype that rural people drive pickups then there is
alot of room there for fuel economy improvement.  My experience in rural
America leads me to believe that very few drive small, fuel efficient
cars.  In addition a gasoline (or in this case diesel fuel) tax could
have a possitive effect on the loss of top soil.  The reason being that
in order to reduce fuel consumption more farmers would go to a low
tillage farming practice.  Fewer passes over the fields means lower fuel
consumption and less erosion.

>There are, however, many fewer people living in truly rural areas than
>in urban/suburban areas.

Wow, this must be a first.  Someone who posts an equivocal message to
usenet.  Most posters seem so locked into a particular ideology that so
called 'discusions' on usenet are nothing more than shouting slogans back 
and forth.

Paul.
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Who's "free-er"? Intrnat'l response wanted!
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:40:18 GMT

In article <exukjb.152.716496113@exu.ericsson.se>, exukjb@exu (ken bell) writes:
>The reason for securing the right of our civil population to keep and 
>bear arms is precisely to ensure a proper regulation of the militia [armed 
>forces]. How else are you going to control [i.e. regulate] a military except 
>by allowing citizens to remained armed?  IMO, this is the only rational 
>interpretation of the II Ammendment right, whether or not it coincides with 
>original intent.

Many times on the net, people have said that "well regulated" at the
time meant "well equipped", and I haven't seen refutations for the
claim.  Your statement is the first time I see the interpretation you
propose.

Just to provide a data point.

//Jyrki