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From: creider@taptet.sscl.uwo.ca (Chet A. Creider)
Subject: Re: MicroEmacs (was Re: Emacs implementations, list of, regular
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:22:08 GMT

In article <62594@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>MicroEmacs was easier to get working on Unix than GNU Emacs was for me,
>so I think Unix should stay on the list.  I was using SCO Unix.

I don't think this is a fair comparison. If one compares MicroEMACS 3.11
with gnome or freyja, MicroEMACS fares poorly. It just takes one look
at estruct.h with its morass of non-independent defines for Unix systems
to see that, however clean the code may be for other operating systems,
it is an absolute mess for Unix systems. I've tried several times to get
the code to compile and run on a Sun. After much work, I've managed to
get it to compile, but not to run. This morning, starting with the latest
version from Purdue, I can't even get it to compile. The last version which
compiles with relative ease on a variety of Unix platforms is 3.8b, which
I've compiled and used on Sun3s, 4s, and machines running Xenix. This is a
shame because the macro language was incompletely implemented in 3.8b.

Since Dan Lawrence doesn't seem to work on a Unix machine himself, I think
Unix should be removed from the list until someone with access to a number
of different machines running Unix (or at least Suns) can clean up the code,
including the include files and also redo the makefiles. The last time I
looked closely at the code, it was clear that the Sun stuff had been messed
up by someone who had set up his/her system along 5bin lines. Since the
vast majority of Sun users don't do this, this only added to the confusion.

With reference to Suns in particular, if there is anyone running a relatively
stock Sun with OS 4.1.x (mine is an IPC to which I've added gcc) who has
succeeded in unravelling this mess and ended up with a program that actually
runs, I would appreciate being sent the Makefile, estruct.h and anything
else that was changed, such as unix.c.

Thanks,

Chet Creider <creider@csd.uwo.ca>
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From: hashmi@cse.uta.edu (Atiqullah Hashmi)
Subject: Can I reduce the char. size(11pt,12pt) in slitex env. ??
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:06:45 GMT

Hi netters,
(1)
I am preparing some slides using slitex env. of latex but the text size
i.e. char size is very large and very little text fits on one slide. I
tried something like this in the root file:

\documentstyle[8pt]{slides}
 but doesn't work. Perhaps slitex doesn't recognize points. How  
can I get more text on the slides.

(2) Another question is that I am including some latex figures in the
slides but since I have used 'idraw' to get 'ps' files of figures, I
can't view them in the 'xdvi' viewer as it simply shows equivalent blank 
space in the view. I wonder if 'slitex' increases the figure sizes also 
like text. If so, my figures will be broken over two pages which I 
don't want. If this happens how can I fit my figures on a page.
 
Any  help is appreciated. Please email if you could. I will summarize
if anybody wants.

hashmi 
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From: rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: decent unix editors?
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:40:52 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Jul30.191243.21826@ncsu.edu> bkjacobs@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>I'm looking for a decent text editor for UNIX.  EMACS is
>cumbersome and don't even think about suggesting VI!  
>I'm using Qedit on DOS and would like something similar 
>for UNIX.
>
>Any suggestions?

I do not want to start a religous war out here, however if you have been
a DOS programmer then you would have heard of an editor called BRIEF. It 
is supposedly the best selling editor on DOS. 

Under UNIX there is a commercial editor called CRISP which is compatible to
BRIEF and actually IMHO blows away BRIEF when it comes to EASE OF USE AND
POWER.

Send me an EMAIL at rohit@neosoft.com if you want more info.

Rohit

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From: hargrove@ramirez.mitre.org (Paul H. Hargrove)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Capitalizing first [a-z] letter in sentence in vi
Summary: works but not with map
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:51:41 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Originator: hargrove@ramirez

In article <1992Jul23.010424.4048@sci.kun.nl> hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
 writes:
>:1,$-1g/[.!?])*[ ]*$/+s/[A-Za-z]/\u&
[very good, piece by piece, explanation deleted]
>--
>Hope this helps,
>
>Hans Mulder				hansm@cs.kun.nl

As the person who asked the question noted, this works (but is better with
[ ^I] than with just [ ].  It works if I _type_ it, but when I tried:
	:map q :1,$-1g/[.!?])*[ ^I]*$/+s/[A-Za-z]/\u&^V^M
and hit 'q' I got a message than told me that undo was not permitted in
globals.  I also tried using
	:map q :g/[.!?])*[ ^I]*$//[A-Za-z]/s//\u&^V^M
(which helps fix the first line if the last is properly punctuated and I have
wrapscan set).  This also fails with the 'no undo' message.

I get the same result whether I type the map command or put it in my .exrc
file (with the required ^V^V^V^M rather than ^V^M).

Is there something I need to escape?
--------
Paul H. Hargrove, speaking for myself.
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Subject: Re: Folding editor for PC (MS-DOS) ?
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:24:40 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <3604@keele.keele.ac.uk>, csd15@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.M. Friel) writes:
> Is the folding editor "origami" (or one similar) available for PCs via
> some ftp site - preferably as a set of binaries.   Any help would
> be appreciated.  Replies by email please  ( grant@cs.keele.ac.uk ).

There is a DOS/OS2 folding editor recently posted to comp.binaries.os2
and available on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu as pub/os2/all/editor/ae.zoo.

I have only briefly tested, and I am not familiar with "origami".

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
From: hbawl@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (Wilber L. Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Undoing, Emacs and unlimited files ... summery.
Summary: Those Wacky VMS Editors.
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:39:25 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <BEVAN.92Jul28174959@panda.cs.man.ac.uk> bevan@cs.man.ac.uk (Stephen J Bevan) writes:
>In article <NMOUAWAD.92Jul27131847@math.waterloo.edu> nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes:
>
>   As far as "total undo" is concerned, I did not get any detailed
>   answer. It seems that this has to do with "logging". A technique for
>   keeping a log file of all the events that took place while the file
>   was edited. Apparently there is a lot of activity going-on within the
>   data-base community in order to find good ways for implementing the
>   logging technique.
>
>A while ago I posted a little survey of different editors and in
>amongst them was "sam" by Rob Pike.  This does "logging" as mentioned
>above.  "sam" can undo _any_ operation except reading/writing a file.
>

   Speaking of 'logging'.... No one has mentioned the VMS editors
   EDT / EVE / (other TPU derivatives).    I don't know about 'unlimited
   undo' (I've never put them through the test), but the probably are
   close since they go through so much pain to keep a JOURNAL file of
   every keystroke ever pressed.

   It's wild and wacky fun to be kicked off the system, get back in,
   then activate the JOURNAL file to recover all of your edits.

   It's especially fun when logged on from a 1200 baud terminal
                                         ....NOT!


-Wilber L. Baker              hbawl@[usmi02.]midland.chevron.com
    UNIX/VAX                Chevron Petroleum Technology Company
     Admin.                Midland, TX   79705    (915) 687-7241
From: lyndon@angelo.amd.com (Lyndon C. Lim)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: looking for BRIEF-like editor for unix
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:06:43 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

well, the subject line says it all.  i don't have
ftp access to the outside world, and can't really
go searching about.

any help would be appreciated.
thanks,
lyndon c.
Xref: sparky comp.editors:1789 comp.emacs:2658
From: michael@gandalf.moria (Michael Haardt)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.emacs
Subject: Re: MicroEmacs (was Re: Emacs implementations, list of, regular post [long])
Date: 17 Jul 92 06:17:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.9207171186
Reply-To: u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
Organization: Moria

From article <DAVIS.92Jul17182323@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>, by davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu ("John E. Davis"):
> 
> In article <1992Jul17.181740.12693@news2.cis.umn.edu> fin@unet.umn.edu (Craig
> A. Finseth) writes:
> [...]
>    name: MicroEMACS
>    version: 3.11
>    implementation language: C
>    extension language: custom
>    scope of implementation: extensible
>    hardware/software requirements: UNIX, VMS, IBM PC,
>            HP 110 and 150, Amiga, Atari ST, Macintosh, Wicat,
>            Data General AOS/VS
>            kanji: Fujitsu FMR-70, NEC PC-9891
> 
> Hm... I have version 3.11 which compiled ok under MSDOS but failed completely
> under BSD unix.  For example, compare the TERM structure in unix.c and the .h
> files-- they are not at all compatable which causes seg faults among other
> problems.  So I propose that UNIX be removed from the list.

No, UNIX stays. :)  MicroEmacs runs fine on SunOS 4.1.1 and Linux.  BSD isn't
UNIX, it's just a flavour.  Perhaps you just have a bad copy.  I got mine from
an Linux ftp site, it is version 3.11c and I compiled it on my own.  There are
no manuals however.

Michael
From: larry@dprmpt.UUCP (Larry)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: "How-to" for writing vi macros needed
Keywords: macro vi
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:24:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data-Prompt

Does anyone know where I can get my paws on a good explanation of how
to write macros for vi?  I have used a few macros, but don't quite
understand some of the more subtle features.  For example, how does
one discover what characters to use (that aren't "reserved" by vi or
ex for a built-in function)?  Can you use CTRL-{some character} as a
macro name?

Also, is there a repository for useful macros lying around somewhere
that can be used so we don't have to re-invent them?

If this is a FAQ, sorry; then please direct me to the FAQ for vi.
Many thanks.  
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From: wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff)
Subject: Re: 8-bit character sets
Keywords: ansi, accented, 8-bit
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:44:22 GMT

c_brown@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Chris Brown) writes:

> Does anyone know of a text editor that can process 8-bit
> data, e.g. foreign character sets.

See my current posting of mined to comp.editors
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From: hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder)
Subject: Re: Capitalizing first [a-z] letter in sentence in vi
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:14:33 GMT

In <1992Jul21.224816.25122@news.acns.nwu.edu> navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.233831.9582@sci.kun.nl> I wrote:
>>:write				" Just in case....
>>:set nowrapscan magic remap noignorecase
>>:map K n~Kq			"The q stops vi from saying "No tail recursion".

> :map K nw~Kq			"need the w to goto beginning of next word.

Oops.  You're right.

>>/[.!*] [ ]*[a-z]

> /[.!?*] [ ]*[a-z]		"add '?' to the search pattern.

You might even consider:

/[.!?*])* [ ]*[a-z]/		"add the option of a ')' or two

Note that you need to add a closing '/' to a search pattern if you
want to add a "comment.  [ Does anyone ever do that? ]

>>1GK
>>:unmap K			" Too dangerous to leave it around.
>>:set wrapscan ignorecase	" Whatever you like.

>				" if you set ignorecase and reissue the
> 				  command, then all changes will be undone
>				  (in case you didn't like it)

Well, no.  Not if you've :unmapped it.  And even if you hadn't, it would
change to lowercase the first letters of many sentences that began with an
uppercase letter originally.  And the 'u' command doesn't cut it, either.

The remarkably simple way to undo all those changes is:

:e!

This works because there's a :write at the start of the sequence.

>Now, onto phase 2:
>	So far, this is very good. The only problem I have now is getting
>sentences which begin a newline. For example.

>this is a sentence on the current line[.!?] followed by another sentence[.!?]
>and here is the beginning of a new sentence on a new line.

>Any more ideas on this?

How about:

:g/[.!?])*[ ]*$/+s/[a-z]/\u&

For that matter,

:%s/[.!?*])* [ ]*[a-z]/\U&/g

looks like an alternative solution to the question in phase 1.

--
Hope this helps,

Hans Mulder			hansm@cs.kun.nl
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: HELP with Vi, PLEASE!!!
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:34:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)



As a new user to Unix and to Vi, I must say that the online manual for
vi is absolutely no help at all!!  Can't someone come up with a simple
manual or easy-to-use tutorial for new users?  Why must it be so
complicated?

So far, by hit and miss, I've figured out how to type a letter, post
news, etc. with vi and how to get out of it when I am done (:wq)  I've
also figured out how to delete a whole line (esc dd) 

What I absolutely can not figure out is, how do I make corrections? 
For example, in this posting, suppose I wanted to go back up to
line number 2 and change the word "can't" to "can not" ?  How would I
do that?

Your help will be greatly appreciated!
From: bkjacobs@eos.ncsu.edu
Subject: decent unix editors? 
Originator: bkjacobs@c00323-122wl.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bkjacobs@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:12:43 GMT


I'm looking for a decent text editor for UNIX.  EMACS is
cumbersome and don't even think about suggesting VI!  
I'm using Qedit on DOS and would like something similar 
for UNIX.

Any suggestions?
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: tendico@hubcap.clemson.edu (Todd Endicott)
Subject: Editors v. Word Processors
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:47:46 GMT

  Greetings! This may seem like a simple, bozotic question, but...

How would you differentiate between text editors and word processors?
For example, "Text editors don't do formatting type stuff, idiot!"

Email or net replies as you see fit. (Epithets not really necessary.)
Thanks a bunch.
-- 
Todd Endicott
tendico@hubcap.clemson.edu
							   "Yow!"
Xref: sparky comp.editors:1798 comp.emacs:2670
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.emacs
Subject: Re: MicroEmacs (was Re: Emacs implementations, list of, regular
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:20:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <DAVIS.92Jul17182323@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>
  <1992Jul19.222538.9061@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz>

MicroEmacs was easier to get working on Unix than GNU Emacs was for me,
so I think Unix should stay on the list.  I was using SCO Unix.

--Tim Smith
Xref: sparky comp.editors:1857 comp.lang.c:11795
From: itkin@mrspoc.Transact.COM (Steven List)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: vi macro comments?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:21:50 GMT
Reply-To: steven@Transact.COM (Steven List)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Transact Software

zzang@whale.stat.ufl.edu (Zhuo Zang) writes:

>Hello,
>Is it possible to put comments
>for the macros of the vi ?
>e.g.
>:map
><del line> keycode dd

Lines starting with a double-quote (") character are ignored,
so you can include

"
" This macro deletes lines
"
...
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From: MDORMAN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Mike Dorman)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Editor mined (Unix, VMS, MSDOS) - easy, solid, non-8-bit-obstructing (1/4)
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:23:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

My mail reader on this @#%$!! 3090 won't accept posts over 1500
lines--which unfortunately, the recent postings of mined were.
 
Would some kind soul please mail me an archive of the whole mess
(and maybe the recently posted diffs/makefile?)?
 
TIA,
 
Mike.
Xref: sparky comp.editors:1790 comp.unix.questions:9235
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: vi: how does one deal with characters like \331 ?
Keywords: vi,octaln
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

In article <1992Jul20.171152.28727@Synopsys.Com>, 
wyle@synopsys.com (Mitch Wyle) writes:
|> In <1992Jul16.192524.29230@news.eng.convex.com> 
|> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
|> 
|> >:In vi, how do you enter a character like \331 into a search pattern?
|> >
|> >Under most implementations, you don't, since most versions can't
|> >edit 8-bit files anyway.
|> 
|> >    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist
|> 
|> :verssion
|> Version SVR3.1
|> (in sun-os) does edit 8-bit chars, 

In that case search for the character Eacute, in xterm meta-shift-i.

-- 

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From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
Subject: Re: Capitalizing first [a-z] letter in sentence in vi
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.135305.2389@sci.kun.nl> hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:
>
>OK, fourth attempt:
>
>:g/[.!?])*[SPACETAB]*$//[A-Za-z]/s//\u&
>

	Hey, so far this works GREAT!

Thanx a lot for your help with this topic Hans!

-tms

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From: gonzalod@amex-trs.com (Gonzalo Diethelm)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Pico in Spanish...
Date: 21 Jul 92 01:51:46 GMT



Distribution: world

Hi there,

I just want to let you know that the word `pico' exists in Spanish. The
standard meaning is `beak', but in certain latin-american countries, like
Chile, it means `dick' or `penis'.

I wonder if `emacs' means anything nasty in Chinese... Regards.


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From: 880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Help required in vi editing
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:33:54 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

hsingh@Turing.chem.uh.edu (Harpreet Singh) writes:

>	Is there any way (by macro or otherwise) to do such a thing as
>	find a pattern and operate upon it. For Ex. find a comma and
>	then delete till end of line from that point.

One way to do this is with a macro:

map \d /,^[d$

(enter the ^[ by typing control-V ESC)

Invoke this macro by typing `\d' (without the quotes).

Alternately, you could use a search & replace command such as:

%s/,.*$/

This would delete all occurances of a comma followed by any text up
until the EOL.  To limit the range of this command, replace the leading `%'
with a range of line numbers, ie:

20s/,.*$/                  - perform command on line 20 only
20,50s/,.*$/               - perform command on lines 20 through 50 (incl.)


Hope this gives you some ideas.

-Rob
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
Subject: Re: Capitalizing first [a-z] letter in sentence in vi
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:48:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.233831.9582@sci.kun.nl> hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:
>
>:write				" Just in case....
>:set nowrapscan magic remap noignorecase
>:map K n~Kq			" The q stop vi from saying "No tail recursion".

 :map K nw~Kq			"need the w to goto beginning of next word.

>/[.!*] [ ]*[a-z]

 /[.!?*] [ ]*[a-z]		"add '?' to the search pattern.

>1GK
>:unmap K			" Too dangerous to leave it around.
>:set wrapscan ignorecase	" Whatever you like.

				" if you set ignorecase and reissue the
 				  command, then all changes will be undone
				  (in case you didn't like it)

Now, onto phase 2:
	So far, this is very good. The only problem I have now is getting
sentences which begin a newline. For example.

this is a sentence on the current line[.!?] followed by another sentence[.!?]
and here is the beginning of a new sentence on a new line.

We have accomplished capitalizing the 'f' in followed when the sentence 
ends in [.!?] and there are one or more spaces after the punctuation. Now
I would like to round this out and work on the lines which begin a
sentence. Obviously, not all lines will begin a sentence, so I need some
way to see if the last character on the previous line end in [.!?] (if so,
do a ^~ to capitalize that first character).

Any more ideas on this?
-tms

Xref: sparky comp.editors:1814 comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted:5107
From: csd15@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.M. Friel)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted
Subject: Folding editor for PC (MS-DOS) ?
Keywords: origami folding editor
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:49:03 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England


Is the folding editor "origami" (or one similar) available for PCs via
some ftp site - preferably as a set of binaries.   Any help would
be appreciated.  Replies by email please  ( grant@cs.keele.ac.uk ).

Thanks in advance

Grant.
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