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From: rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: NLP
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:05:38 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Can someone give me a pointer to a group or organization which does NLP
Practitioner training in the greater Boston, MA area?

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From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Psychology and statistics
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:54:16 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <92Aug25.153241edt.48007@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:
>
>If 10 subjects score 100 and 10 score 200 then the poulation mean is
>150. Does this reflect the population? Hardly. This is obviously an
>exaggerated example, but reflects a common problem in using statistics.

Which is why statistical analysis not only takes into account measures of
central tendency (of which the mean is one), but also measures of
variability.

>Marc Green
>Trent University

Geoff.

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From: randy@text3.psych.umn.edu (Charles R. Fletcher)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Tachistoscope List
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:31:37 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <92237.165659PSYANAG@BYUVM.BITNET>  writes:
> 
> (summary of Mac and DOS tachistoscopic software deleted)
>

If anyone out there has developed tachistoscopic software for NeXT  
computers I would love to hear about it.
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From: Margo Garcia <margog@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: re: sexaul adddiction
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:47:57 GMT

I have received many responses to my posting and need to set the record
straight.  This was my first encounter with a self-professed as well as
clinically diagnosed sexual addict.  My original posting was a kind of
"stream of consciousness", or some might call knee-jerk as well. As I have
never encountered this behaviour before, I was taken aback, and in fact a bit
shocked.  The additional diagnosis of this person, as many of you suggested
it might be, is that of (borderline .. at least) antisocial behaviour.  So,
my generalities in my thought process at it is related to my emotional
reaction to this situation, were indeed off the mark when applying them
universally.  I can only speak to the situation and the behaviour of this
one, particular person.  

As a victim of a stalking and subsequent physical rape a few years ago, I can
tell you that the feelings of invasion, objectification, and manipulation are
not exactly the same, but indeed are smiliar to that of a phsyical rape.  I
do realize that the resulting feelings on the par the victim (and I still do
use this word in respect to this particular case), cannot be used to explain
or diagnos the motivation of this particular addict.  However, I can say that
this person is not only self-professed, but clinically diagnosed as sexaul
addicted, as well as anti-social.  He professes that his rush is comes from
control, manipulation, dehumanizing.  In fact, he professes that his skill to
manipulate is a "gift", which he uses often once he sets his sights on a
target.  It's the setting of his sights that he can't control.  He professes,
and I quote here, "it's what between their legs" that he cares about and that
anywoman will do.  He sayd he feels fleeting sensatins of remorse.  

So, i don't knwo what to think.  excpet, i'm staying clear of the dear boy.
From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: sexaul addiction (Should be Antisocial personality disorder)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:57:35 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

(Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>>It sounds like he is a classic Antisocial Personality Disorder 
>>individual (formerly called sociopath).  About 1-2% of
>>US males meet diagnostic criteria for this "disorder".
[further exposition of sociopathy deleted]

>Are they also known by the term "politician"?

While your response may (or may not) have been largely facetious, it's actually
VERY much on target.  Studies show that the manner in which sociopathy is ex-
pressed is very often a function of your socioeceonomic status when you were
younger.  Poor sociopaths tend to engage in "traditional" patterns of crime
(shoplifting, burglary, etc.), while ones that were wealthy when they were
younger are white-collar criminals, by-and-large.  Poor sociopaths also tend
to be suspended or expelled from the educational system, effectively isolating
them from mainstream society, while wealthier sociopaths get through, often
in prepatory schools where expulsion would be damaging to both the school
and the family).  They are certainly not expelled from society and find their
ways into very high mainstream positions that wield a lot of power.



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From: kenr@orleans.storage.tandem.com (Ken Rose)
Subject: Re: NLP
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc, Cupertino CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:27:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.183826.28280@exu.ericsson.se>, exudeb@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Breeding, xt-dGR,) writes:
> 
> There is a nice little book that was written to be used in a
> classroom situation with small children to help them develop
> their ability to visualize.  It is called
> "Put your mother on the ceiling."  I don't remember the
> author's name.  It has lots of exe> rcises anyone could use.
> 

According to the public catalog of the N.Y. public library, the
book info is:

 De Mille, Richard, 1922-
     Put your mother on the ceiling : children's imagination games
    / Richard de Mille.    New York : Penguin Books, 1976, c1973.
   xvi, 175 p. ; 18 cm.
   Includes bibliographical references.
   1. Play.    2. Imagination.    I. Title.
 ITEM: 79-1198255         LC: 76-29638         ISBN: 0140043799



Hope this helps,
  Ken
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those of my employer (who is kind enough to allow me Usenet access).
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From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: Re: Myers-Briggs test
Organization: York University
 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:16:11 GMT

The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is proprietory.  However, the
70-question test in
       Keirsey and Bates, "Please Understand Me"
correlates with it very strongly.
If you are, f'rexample, a clear INTJ, then both MBTI and the K+B test
will say so.  The K+B book is often available in "flakey" bookstores
(which we NTs tend to avoid and those NFs tend to frequent :-))

Personally, I think Myers-Briggs can be reduced to just four
qustions, but will resist the temptation to repost them.

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tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada

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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Sherri)
Subject: Multiple personalities (was Re: Schizofreny?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:30:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.193947.8178@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.155052.5183@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livy) writes:
>>Hi.
>>I am particullary interested in cases of "double personality".
>>ANYTHING about it...(cases,description,etc...)
>>I find it to be extremly interesting...
>>Livy
>
>Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is not the same thing as schizophrenia.
>The September 1990 issue of the journal Psychiatric Clinics of North
>America was devoted to MPD.  Look in Index Medicus or Psych Abstracts
>for the writings of Richard Kluft, MD, who's the preminent MPD expert.
>

Also, double personality is extremely rare, I know a fair number of multiples
and don't think I've ever met anyone with less than five personalities.
I have two all-time favorite books...

_Multiple Personality Disorder from the Inside Out_ is a collection of
writings by multiples.  It's published by Sidran Press, but I don't
have the editors names.  Hopefully you can find it by the title.

_Diagnosis and Treatment of Multiple Personality Disorder_ by Frank Putnam
is an excellent text.  Putnam is up there with Kluft in the expert category
IMHO.

I think that reading both of these books would give most people a pretty good
understanding about multiplicity.  Putnam's book is very thorough and based
on years of clinical experience, but the collection of writings gives
one a better idea of the range of MPD experiences.

If you prefer cases, I recommend the books _The Flock_ and _Sybil_ the
most.  I learned things from _When Rabbit Howls_, but it had more flaws
than the first two.

If you read these, you'll certainly come in contact with more titles.

Sherri



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From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: Multiple personalities (was Re: Schizofreny?
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:49:41 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalno.fnal.gov
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In article <1992Aug27.223052.302@wam.umd.edu>, sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Sherri) writes:
> If you prefer cases, I recommend the books _The Flock_ and _Sybil_ the
> most.  I learned things from _When Rabbit Howls_, but it had more flaws
> than the first two.

What flaws did you find in _Rabbit_?  I found the book excellent, although it
must be understood that it is written by all 92 of Truddi Chase's
personalities.
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                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
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                                     | Speak the Word.
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From: dab@ism.isc.com (David A. Butterfield)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: NLP
Date: 28 Aug 1992 01:25:45 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

ehf@philabs.philips.com (Eberhard Fisch) writes:
> I don't know if you have this problem but in my case I believe that
> a major problem might be that I can not yet visualize very well on
> a conscious level.

I think that NLP does not rely on the ability to visualize, because
you can apply NLP techniques using different senses than vision.
However, most of the books and maybe practitioners seem to be strongly
oriented toward the visual sense, probably because that's the sense
they and most people find easiest to relate to.

If you have a difficult time with visualization, try modifying the
techniques to a different sense.  If one step in the technique says,
for example, to imagine a picture of an object and then imagine the
image becoming smaller or more distant, try instead imagining the
sound of that object and making the sound seem softer of more distant.
If you're a kinesthetic type, try imagining the "feel" of the object
(however it is you, personally, experience thinking about that object)
and then imagine the feel of that object becoming smaller or more
distant from you.

The visualization is just a trick, a way for you to represent your
cognitive model as a picture, so that you can change that picture,
and thereby edit your underlying cognitive model.  You don't have
to use pictures to do that representation -- you can pick whatever
way you want to experience your model, as long as you can find a
a way to then make the desired change to the representation.

Disclaimer:  Don't assume I know much about NLP.

Dave
-- 
	I output a string of symbols and I observe the response.
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From: blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Betsy L Zucker)
Subject: Re: INTERESTING STORY
Reply-To: blz1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Betsy L Zucker)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: sci
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:41:07 GMT

The example of asking rapid irrelevant questions to jog a
person's memory about a locker combination illustrates at least
seven principles of unconcsious communication as elaborated in
Ericksonian hynosis, especially Erickson & Rossi's works:

   DISTRACTION	rapid questions that require answers distract the conscious
		mind and prevent it from carrying on its controlling
		activities

   MULTIPLE TASKS  the rapid alternation of questions plus the fact that an
		implied question of finding the locker is added
		to them combine so that the conscious mind must
		seek beyond itself to complete the multiple tasks
		assigned to it

   YES SET	four or five questions which produce results create a set
		which are positive so the next answer will tend
		to be postitive just to follow the other examples

   UNCONSCIOUS SEARCH  each question demands that the person search for
		information and thus preps the person for
		searching for the locker number

   SURPRISE	the trivial nature of the questions and the springing of
		the locker number question in their midst disarm
		the conscious defenses and allow the unconscious
		resources to come to the fore

   IMAGERY	the questions call for visual and other imagery (what color
		is your car?) and thus help invoke all of the
		mind's pathways for remembering

   CIRCUMVENTING CONSCIOUS BLOCKS all of the above actions combine to
		redirect the person's energy towards uncounscious
		search and therefore jump out of the rut the
		consicous mind has fallen into

Of course, none of this implies that the technique will always
work. There may be very good unconscious reasons why the person
can't remember a certain thing and all crude attempts to break
their successful amnesia will fail.  This would be especially
true in the test anxiety examples -- in most cases, one would need
to know the actual basis of the anxiety, the self esteem issues
etc. before *any* mere technique could work.  It is even possible
that a technique which forced remembering would have harmful
effects -- better to find out the positive aspects of the
person's forgetting before mucking around.

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From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: re: Psychology and statistics
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:38:31 GMT

>From: buchino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bert N Uchino)

>I happen to be a proponent for the use of statistics in psychology.
>Statistics allows researchers to evaluate the probability that a particular
>effect is due to chance.  Although a probability level of p<.05 is simply a
>conventional cut-off point, it forces researchers to be relatively more
>objective about the hypothesis under study.  

Statistics should be avoided if possible. Anybody who thinks that
statistics are "objective" knows very little about statistical theory
or its history.  Any use of statistics requires a host of assumptions,
not only about things like underlying distributions and metric
properties of the data, but about interpretation. Try reading books
like Fine and Hacking and you'll see that the whole notion of
statistics is built on very shaky foundations. Statistics is a much
murkier topic than the most people suspect.

The use of statistics has other problems too. It usually means
averaging subjects together. It is easy to get "results" which do not
reflect any individual subject and it is easy to miss secondary
effects. 

Statistics are used as a means of control. But they are not a
substitute for experimental control, and too often, this is exactly
how statistics are used. The best experiments use a few subjects with
tight experimental control. Sometimes this is not possible, as in
longitudinal studies, so statistics are nercessary. But they should be
used only as a last resort, when procedural controls are impossible to
apply.

Lastly, use of the .05 level suggests that one "result" in every
journal issue is due to chance.

>In parting, I would also like to
>comment about post hoc "fishing" expeditions that presumably occur
>frequently in Social Psychology.  Post hoc explanations are not necessarily a
>bad thing.  No researcher is clever enough to think of all possible effects
>that might occur in particular study.

If using statistics correctly, fishing expeditions have a high cost.
Suppose you have a .05 level for significance in testing a specific
hypothesis. If you decide to test a second hypothesis with the same
data, this gives you two chances of getting significant result due to
chance. As a result, you should cut the statistical level of
significance to 0.25 (0.5/2). The more fishing you do, the more likely
that the result is due to chance, so significance level should be
adjusted downward. Of course, no one does this. That's the other
problem with using statistics - very few people really know how to do
statistics correctly. 

Marc Green
Trent University
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From: an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston)
Subject: sexual addition *joke*
Reply-To: an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston)
Organization: Case Western Reser
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 02:07:17 GMT


Peter,Gods first angle walks in on God whom is apparently
building something.

God what are you building,asks Peter

Why I'm building a man and a woman." God replies.

Can I help in your creation God please."Peter persists
Oh very well hand me some of those low sensitve nerves...no Peter not those
those are super sensitive nerves... Yes that's right those."

Well what are these for God."
Now I an working on the butts of the humans and I don't wish them to be very
sensitve so if the are bad I can spank them and not do serious damage.

Oh I see,but why are you only building one of each."comments Peter.
"And what are these super sensitive nerves for any way."

If you must know I'm planing for my cerations to produce off spring by 
themselves."

That's fantastic God,but how do you plan on doing that and how can you be
sure that they will produe."

Well, you see Peter that's what I'm working on now there reproductive organs
and that is what these super sensitive nerves are for.I think that if I make
sexual reproduction feel good ,how coould the not want to have sex,
now hand me some more of those.

Gee God that's sure is a lot of those nerves."

"Well, I want them calling out my name."

Moral...
Eveyone is some kind of junkie,all of us you and I we're gods.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: Margo Garcia <margog@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: sexual addiction
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:08:06 GMT

Recently, I have been victimized by a sexual addict.  I first became
suspicious when certain things began not to add up.  Soon, the red flags
could not be ignored and my questioning of this person became more forceful. 
Eventually, he admitted to a long hsitory sexual addiction.  Despite 5 years
of concurrent individual and group therapy, he still continues this extreme
misogynistic behaviour.  Indeed, I have distanced myself from the
situation.  However, this incident has caused me to think in depth about this
topic.  And while I am not a psychologist, I do have some thoughts as too the
cause of this behaviour.  

1.  there are rapists and there are rapists.  There are those who rape in the
    classic sense:  physically.  There are those who rape in a more subtle 
    fashion, and while they have your conscent for the actual act, because of
    their addictive need to control and manipulate, I consider this to be
    rape as well ... rape of the spirit.  And this is how I classify sexual
    addicts:  as rapist, of a differnt kind, but nonetheless, rapist.

2.  many studies lend credence to the theory that most physical rapists
    experienced dysfunctional childhoods, including in many cases, their
    own rape.  Now, sexual addicts who act upon their addiction must also
    experience somehting similar to the above.  Or, at the very least, they
    didn't get what they needed in the ultimate sense as a child and so 
    their sexuality has been arrested, or scewed into the addiction.

3.  Like physical rape, victimizing others through sexual addiction is rooted
    in the concepts of control and sometimes emotional violence.

4.  in the case of a male sexual addict, misogyny is also implicated.  In the
    case of addicts of both genders, low self-esteem or a dysfunctional self-
    image of anyother kind is also inplicated.

5.  I'm not sure if chemistry comes into play here:  if it's purely a psycho-
    logical dysfuntion that is solely rooted in experience, or if there could
    also be chemical imbalances that may contribute to the addiction and
    subsequent behaviour.  And I'm not sure if there are any medical/chemical
    means of controlling this behaviour. 

As I mentioned, I am not a psychologist, but have a habit of observation. 
And through my own therapy, I have learnt a few things regarding my own
psychology.  I am interested in opening up a discussion on this topic so as
to provide more insight not only for myself,  but for anyone else who might be
a recovering victim of a sexual addict.   Again the above the above 5
statements  are nothing more than thoughts, and are more than open to
discussion/criticism.

thanks
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From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,misc.education,sci.edu
Subject: Re: INTERESTING STORY
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:30:49 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

I can tell you that the "remembering trick" you used on your friend is
definitely real and works.  I used to work with remedial reading and math
students, and many of these students would get performance anxiety when
you sat down to ask questions about what they had learned.  I never had
anyone tell me about it, but it seemed to me that in cases where I felt
confident that they knew the material and were only blocking up due to 
anxiety, if I could get them to answer without thinking they would be
able to blurt the answer.  I did just what you described, asking minor
questions that they could answer quickly, and then would spring the
question they were blocked up on.  Very often they were able to answer it.
This became a very useful technique to me.

I assumed that the reason they were blocking is that a moment's hesitation
would lead to anxiety which would interfere with their remembering.  The
difficulty in remembereing (especially when they felt pressured to
remember) would lead to more anxiety, more difficulty in remembering, and
thus a bad loop.  Taking their mind off with trivial questions broke the
anxiety loop.  The best part of this was that often helped build their
confidence to find that they could overcome the block, so it decreased
the likelihood of their blocking in the future.

Joe



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