From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Re: Most Commercial..
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:31:28 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-25-92 18:25
Quoted From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hackers schmackers)
> 
> Somewhere in Cyberspace, tedwards@wam.umd.edu said about 'Most
> Commercial Rave.': 
> |In article <1992Dec24.161115.9991@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg
> |ipp) writes: 
> |>He makes it sound like a rip-off of the 1960s Tim Leary days.  Why 
> |>can't we ever be given our OWN culture, our OWN identity?  Everything 
> |>is compared to what older generations did yesterday...  
> |
> |Because we are only part of grand cycle...raving is just a modern
> |expression of a beat and a feeling locked deep inside the psyche
> |of humanity for eons, expressed, stifled, supressed, and
> |expressed once more.
> 
> That's all well and cool, but don't you think that cycle is evolving?
> for it to contunue to evolve, it should be likened to the past, but
> also seen in a new (strobe-)light.....
> 

I agree.  It can be likened to the past, but not considered a 
throw-back to it. What we are doing is partly original (at least the 
way I see it). The parts raves took were the music orientation, and 
the hallucinogen aspect.  Theres a great deal that current generations 
created and threw into the scene (like, as is brought up in your 
quoting sentence, cyberspace and virtual reality -- some ravers seem 
to be into this stuff.  You can add whistles, flourescent paint, and 
an accepting attitude to that.)

> ...

> I actually give the generalized-stereotyped-popular-media a lot of
> credit in this historical sense - seeing it as a mostly new culture
> wit a little 'o dee ole.....Personal-e I don't even trust too much
> anyone who DOESN'T liken rave to the 60's in some hyper-dimensional
> sense or another.....
> 

And I do admit that I must give credit to those who invented LSD and 
whom first ventured into the forest to eat mushrooms.  But... popular 
media is generally bullshit... look at Inside Edition or A Current 
Affair.  When they investigate raves, what do they dig up?  A shooting 
at a rave in New York, and the possibility of smart drinks screwing up 
your brain.  Oh yeah, and they briefly mention that people have fun at 
these things.  (if you want to argue about that, you can email me 
instead of getting into the issues of media-brainwashing in alt.rave)

> ...

> At any rate, Timoth-e Lear-e is into raves....There's a reason for
> that...don't deny it in your mind, don't deny it in the media, don't
> deny it to other ravers, just try and realize why he likes raves, and
> movin' on up from there.....Raves are much more than Leary and the
> 60's we all know that, but if we don't learn from the past we can't
> move forward.....
> 

Timothy Leary is also a major proponent of Virtual Reality.  I'm not 
discrediting him -- he's done a lot for the rave scene.  I think, 
however, that we should be seen as those who build on the past and 
don't just emulate it (as the author of the original newspaper article 
suggested, I believe). Raves have passed the break-in stage; they're 
not just a fad anymore, and they shouldn't be treated as such.  Given, 
they will eventually die out in their present form, but in a 
different design, will continue into the future.

> |-Thomas
> | resident technoshaman
> 
> 
> 2day I took food from the hand of a starving child....
> 
> happ-e holi-daze....chew your food slowly....
> 
> --
> 
>     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu                FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com                future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 
>

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