HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kim@unix.cc.emory.edu (Kim Wallen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun and DSP: Some people don't get it
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:32:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Psychology
Distribution: na
Reply-To: kim@unix.cc.emory.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: wallen.psy.emory.edu

First off, I didn't get it.  It's DPS dummy, not DSP!


In article 26014@cs.yale.edu, nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
>In article <1k119pINNldh@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> kim@unix.cc.emory.edu (Kim  
>Wallen) writes:

My comment about NeXT relying upon 3rd party vendors deleted

>Since those nasty 3rd party apps work just great, your conclusion is
>erroneous.  NeXT requires no such "commitment".

Nathan, as you know the issue isn't whether the 3rd party apps work, 
but whether X is integrated into NeXTStep.  Sure you can run an X
window, but that isn't the same as having the two integrated.

      Stuff about networking deleted.  I didn't comment about network
      connectivity.  NeXT may have better AppleShare connectivity, but then
      we are trying to get all our macs off of AppleShare for obvious
       reasons.  Netware connectivity is a wash, as Nathan knows.

> > My comment about forcing the customer to change deleted 

>See above, please, and stop slandering NeXT if you are ignorant of the
>technical aspects of your claims. 

So educate me.  Tell me how I run a NeXT application on a remote
Sun display (or DEC, or IBM, or HP, or any Unix box that runs
X-based software?).  Am I missing something here, or are you?

Kim



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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: A Minor Mention of NeXT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:01:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.011042.7775@trilithon.mpk.ca.us>
henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes:

>NeXT gets a mini-mention in the February 1993 Atlantic Monthly in
>an article about OS/2:

>    ``The NeXT Computer, created by Apple's co-founder, Steven
>      Jobs, is a more recent variation on the Macintosh approach''.

>The writer then goes on to state that OS/2 is the ``major extant
>example'' of a true multi-tasking operating system.

>I knew it would happen: IBM invents multi-tasking.

Not to worry.  As soon as Steve takes the helm at IBM, all
will be well, and the *in* color will be black-and-blue.
At Apple.  At Sun.  At DEC.  At HP ... :-)

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From: garylang@netcom.com (Gary Lang)
Subject: Re: Gosip in 1993(The Public Trial of Appsoft Draw - be on the Jury)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:35:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.213452.21966@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes:
>In article <C18K3K.25F@appsoft.com> randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) writes:
>    *  In article <1993Jan22.012356.12057@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu
>    *  (L. Anathea Brooks) writes:
>        **  The thing was that tools would NOT stay selected,
>        **  which alone rendered the darn thing an enormous
>        **  pain to use. It was "unusable" according to my
>        **  definition (if I can't use an app to do what the
>        **  app exists purportedly to do, it's not usable).
>
>    *  Not to fan the flames, but Draw was modelled after MacDraw
>    *  where the tools NEVER stay selected.  Millions of Mac users
>    *  found that program "usable".
>
>An anecdote is in order I think.  Back in the bad old days at Sun I
>worked on SunDraw (and SunWrite and SunPaint).  We obtained
>the engine of SunDraw from Island Graphics (which is why it's now
>IslandDraw).  In SunDraw, the tools stayed selected -- you did
>boxes until you wanted to do ovals, and so on.  People hated this
>interface!
>
>But wait, there's more.  The most common cry was ``make it work
>like MacDraw!''.  So I did.  I made SunDraw work just like MacDraw.
>And people hated the interface, INCLUDING the MacDraw-o-philes.
>At this point I conducted a very quick and dirty informal survey
>and discovered that about a quarter of the MacDraw proponents had
>never used MacDraw.
>
>We eventually settled on a compromise (I hate compromises) to have
>a facility (similar to FrameMaker) to lock the current tool in place.
>
>        ........  Henry

And the eventual "success" of these products is supposed to tell us
what about these products and design decisions?
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From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear)
Subject: Re: wired.com is a NeXT
Reply-To: brian@coconut.com
Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA 
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:58:17 PST

In article <1993Jan23.184652.2362@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell) writes:
>Someone on another group mentioned that the new magazine "Wired"
>which has been getting a lot of media attention as the cutting-
>edge publication of the "Digital Generation" is on the Net as wired.com.
>Out of curiosity I ran the useful "host" utility on it and here's what
>it returned:
>
>wired.com -
>	Host: wired.com
>	Address: 140.174.72.1
>	Machine: NEXT
>	System: NEXTSTEP
>	Mail Exchanger: wired.com
>
>So if the cutting-edge wave-of-the-future vanguard of the cyberspace
>revolution etc etc is using a NeXT...  (No, it doesn't prove a thing.
>But it makes good PR.)


From what I've heard so far, WIRED is primarily a Mac shop.  Look at
the colophon on page 110 of the first issue. Mac, Mac, Mac and more Mac.
Then when you're done looking at page 110, look at page 107.  :-) :-)

--------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Dear //// Coconut Computing, Inc. //// brian@coconut.com


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From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep for PowerPC --- THE ONLY CHOICE
Reply-To: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:26:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.070018.21046@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu  
(Alexander Swietlicki) writes:
> In article <1jon9vINN91a@phakt.usc.edu> rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert  
Alexander Wyatt) writes:
> >
> 
> >The computer industry is far too fragmented...everyone has a better idea...
> >And while companies battle it out over technology...who loses?  The  
consumer!
> >NeXT and Taligent could cooperate on an OS that would benefit us all, 
> >regardless of what platform it was running on...
> 
> 	Cooperation gives us X.  Good ol' American capitalism/competition
> gives us NeXTSTEP.  Any questions?  :-)

Whoops! I'd think: Good ol' American capitalism/competition
gave us MS-DOS and SVR4, a single rich propellerhead gave us NeXTSTEP.

--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de), NeXTmail welcome

Looks good on the outside, but -
	intel inside
From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXT article in Fortune Magazine
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:43:05 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine

In article <C1D954.89w.2@cs.cmu.edu> pjm@stevens.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno) writes:
>
>
>In the February issue of Fortune Magazine there is an article about NeXT  
>and Steve Jobs.......just in case you guys are interested.
>
>--
>Pedro J. Moreno			(NeXTMail yes!!)
>
>Electrical and Computer Engineering

I got a copy of that article from a client. I left it at work, so I'll
summarize it (or type it in) on Monday.

Its message: Jobs's dream of becoming a computer manufacturer like Apple
is dead. NeXT has great potential as a software vendor but will starve to
death as a hardware vendor. Canon is unhappy with Jobs's management style
and under the covers, things might not be as happy there as they seem
between van Cuylenberg and Jobs.

I'll summarize on Monday if no one has before then.

-- 
Yan Fang-Magnusson
Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah
yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu
yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
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From: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison)
Subject: Re: HP-NeXT connection
Reply-To: derek@nosloc.com
Organization: Nosloc Software Technologies
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:56:39 GMT

In article <Jan25.204915.55864@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) writes:
> OK, rumor time, from a source who should know -- but no guarantees.
> 
> HP will get out of the workstation operating system business. HP-Vue, or  
> whatever they call it, is going away. In its place, HP will offer both  
NeXTSTEP  
> and Windows NT, and possibly also Solaris. My source made Solaris sound iffy,  
> the other two not iffy. Announcement within a few weeks. Products some time  
> down the road -- maybe 6 months from now.

	That sounds great! Now if we could only get NeXTSTEP on a SGI!!!!!!!!
Have to wait I guess :)

=derek
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Nosloc Software Technologies             
(NeXT Mail accepted)                    
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From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: Re: NeXTstep for PowerPC --- THE ONLY CHOICE
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:48:21 GMT

In article <SCOTT.93Jan22133433@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)  
writes:
>>In article <1jon9vINN91a@phakt.usc.edu>
>>	rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt) writes:
>>>Well...I'm probably setting myself up for a flame war, but here goes...
[munch munch]
>>NeXTSTEP3.0 doesn't do this?  That's news to me.  "A proxy by any
>>other name works the same", even if the proxy is not really a proxy
>>but the real object.  Of course, it depends on how good your proxy
>>code is :-).

I would like to add that when ObjectDesign's OODBMS is integrated (NS4.0?) the  
shape of sharing objects will (should) change dramatically.

>>Later,
>>--
>>scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>                        <To the BatCube, Robin>
>>12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!

--
Ronald Pomeroy		"The Internet is just a giant petri dish"
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep for PowerPC --- THE ONLY CHOICE
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:00:19 GMT

Robert Alexander Wyatt quotes

> "Pink/TalOS - will even leapfrog NeXtStep 3 from what I can dig
> up. It will over CPU enablers for different platforms (RISC, 680x0,
> Pentium?, x86s). The most interesting concept is that programs will
> be able to borrow objects from one prg. to another. The prg. will
> have to "announce" it's objects to the OS, other apps (possibly
> from the same or other soft vendors) can look up the object, and
> if available, it will use it. Think of it, one dictionary object
> used by your Word processor, database, and spreadsheet. The object
> can be applied in various different ways. Like in the wp it would
> be used to check text words. But if the dict. obj. can access
> various data structs.  then in theory it can read words stored in
> a draw file! Now that's power that even NeXTStep doesn't offer.
> They do have OOP but on a per app. basis. Something a la C++ but
> better. I could be wrong does NS 4 offer object OS/app sharing ?

Borrow objects...  could that be like DISTRIBUTED OBJECTS?!? :-)  
Like what NS3.0 has NOW?!?

Yes, I can write an app that declares a dictionary object for all
to use by proxy.  Today.  In Objective C.  Easily.

As for processor emulation, why not just design a machine with
multiple daughter board slots and use a multi-processor capable OS
(say, like Mach, maybe...).  Want to run that 486 program? Go down
to Fry's and buy the $400 daughter board.  Mix and match!  Collect
them all!  "Trade you my PowerPC for a 486 and a Joe DiMaggio..."
*Maybe* you want emulators for those who want to run a program for
a processor they don't have just once or twice.  The cheaper the
daughter boards, the less time that needs to be spent making the
emulators fast.  Better yet, just rent the daughter boards at your
local BlockBuster...

Then let's see who *really* has the best processor...

--
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1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: A CPU on Every Desk?
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:26:02
Organization: Is a sign of weakness
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In-reply-to: jefferis@manas.engr.widener.edu's message of 22 Jan 1993 15:26:14 GMT

In article <1jp3mmINNnpo@cs.widener.edu>
	jefferis@manas.engr.widener.edu (Raymond P Jefferis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.160050.4997@tse.uucp>
>	markt@tse.uucp (Mark Turner) asks:
>> Is it possible to hang X terminals off a NeXT server and use the native  
>> NeXT desktop from the terminals?
>> Comments .... ?
>
>What is a "NeXT server?

It's someone like myself who's purpose in life is to make my NeXT
as comfortable as possible, including slavish worship at the keyboard
all hours of the day (and night), and purchase of silly peripherals
such as CD-ROM drives.

Later,
--
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>                        <To the BatCube, Robin>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch)
Subject: Re: What I don't understand...(WAS: THE ONLY CHOICE)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 20:48:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.015841.12565@metrosoft.com>, gvh@metrosoft.com 
(Gordon Van Huizen) wrote:
>
>In article <26JAN199320564151@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu>  
>mwelch@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (WELCH,MICHAEL) writes:
>>   Why doesn't Steve poke his head in over at Silicon Graphics? They
>> haven't spurned him in any way have they? I'd personally like to
>> see a NeXT/Pixar/Adobe/Silicon Graphics team. 
>> 
>I would like to see that too, but it sure doesn't look like
>it will happen. Last time I talked to SGI (which was a few
>weeks ago) they expressed no interest at all in NeXSTEP.
>The opinion expressed was that the performance hit to
>their hardware (their terms) of running the AppKit and
>DPS wasn't worth it. They also seem pretty happy with what
>they have. 
>

Isn't the basic problem of running DPS on HW with video accelerators
to blame for the performance penaltly? As the ND testifies, it's
difficult to get DPS to scream when not directly using the CPU for
drawing. Given SGI's deep commitment to HW acceleration of video and
the fine-tuning of their GL to that HW, it's not hard to imagine why
they wouldn't jump at the chance to use NS.

However, if NeXT offered to build the AppKit on SGI's GL, then we're
talking serious stuff. How hard would it be to build the WindowServer
on a base other than DPS? Or can it be done? It seems this issue, of
HW assisted vs. CPU only video, will continue to plague the DPS 
approach since most recent significant video speedups seem to be relying
more and more on special graphics-tuned HW.

What about an AppKit with the ability to run on top of GL, with the
capability to render each view using DPS in an off-screen buffer
for printing? Wouldn't that yield the performance of HW-assisted video
with the convenience of a unified imaging model, or am I way off?

Michael McCulloch
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From: bsim@quark (Ben Sim)
Subject: NeXTStep on PowerPC?
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:24:48 GMT

Question to all:
Is there a port planned for the PowerPC/PowerOpen?

An Observation:
Hardware is a commodity today and more so in the near future. NeXT should  
concentrate on the software and forget the hardware side (other than to  
demo concept machines). Steve are you listening? Software is the key to  
the success of the NeXT. 

Ben

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Washington DC 20016-2899
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Subject: Re: The Public Trial of Microsoft Windows - be on the Jury
From: nicolek@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 16:57:07 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia
Keywords: Microsoft

In article wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes:
>We're putting Microsoft Windows on trial...
>...Here's your chance to kill a product.  Go for it. 
>

Guess who has managed to get incredibly wealthy over the past ten years 
or so at the expense of innovation and advancement in Computer Software ?

No extra points for guessing that I'm referring to little Billy Gates!


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From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu 
Subject: Re: NS486 delay not technical?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:36:25 GMT

Scott Hess writes
-> 
-> But ... I don't think it is so much a question of whether this is
-> an _easy_ task as of whether it's an _essential_ task.  The latest
-> OS/2 allows you to use DOS device drivers without modification (or
-> perhaps earlier versions do too - I _know_ the latest one claims
-> to).  Is OS/2 taking over the world?
-> 
-> --
-> scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>                        <To the BatCube, Robin>
-> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!

Ok, but OS/2 has the shittiest interface I've ever seen. There is no excuse for  
such crap. Even if I could plug my Mazda into OS/2 as a device driver it would   
still be crap. 

Looks like crap... Feels like crap... Wait, whats that smell?

--
_______________________________________________________________________________
                        I'll cross my heart and hope to die
                        but the needle's already in my eye.
_______________________________________________________________________________
	
	Kevin Solie
From: amr@chiton.ucsd.edu (Tony Richardson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Gosip in 1993(The Public Trial of Appsoft Draw - be on the Jury)
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:49:23 GMT
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD

In article <1993Jan23.001704.17093@leland.Stanford.EDU> peer@ccrma.stanford.edu (Peer Landa) writes:
>
>L. Anathea Brooks) writes:
>The thing was that tools would NOT stay selected, which alone rendered the darn  
>thing an enormous pain to use. It was "unusable" according to my definition (if  
>I can't use an app to do what the app exists purportedly to do, it's not  
>usable).
>
>Randy Adams writes
>Not to fan the flames, but Draw was modelled after MacDraw where the tools  
>NEVER stay selected.  Millions of Mac users found that program "usable".  Flame  
>me please so I can toast these marshmallows...
>
>Marshmallow Flame Man . . you can indeed select the tools and they'll stay  
>selected in MacDraw.  But you've to be smart if you'll be able to do this  
>without first reading the manual . . . 
>
>-- peer

The problem is that with TopDraw, selected tools stayed selected.  AppSoft
takes over and with their first release they change the behavior.  No
explanation, no mention of it in the manual, and no way to override this
behavior.

Tony Richardson
From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: wired.com is a NeXT
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:46:52 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Someone on another group mentioned that the new magazine "Wired"
which has been getting a lot of media attention as the cutting-
edge publication of the "Digital Generation" is on the Net as wired.com.
Out of curiosity I ran the useful "host" utility on it and here's what
it returned:

wired.com -
	Host: wired.com
	Address: 140.174.72.1
	Machine: NEXT
	System: NEXTSTEP
	Mail Exchanger: wired.com

So if the cutting-edge wave-of-the-future vanguard of the cyberspace
revolution etc etc is using a NeXT...  (No, it doesn't prove a thing.
But it makes good PR.)
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Appsoft - VERY satisfied customer
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:55:02 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: University of Durham


The other day (well, yesterday) I posted a request for information about Appsoft Image and
whether or not my copy might have been dysfunctional.  Last night I received a personal
phone call from Randy Adams himself!  Now, you may think "so what?" and perhaps if you
lived in California you could be forgiven for thinking so, but I live in Durham, England! 
Randy was so concerned about my possible problem that he phoned me from the States!!

I am *VERY* impressed with Appsoft, and with Randy in particular.  When I first ordered
Appsoft Image I posted a "Kudos to Appsoft" message saying how pleased I was with their
customer service, and I can now only re-affirm that in the highest possible way.

As for my not hearing from them via email, this is most likely due to an email fault and
is most certainly not due to Randy or Appsoft's lack of interest in customer problems.

With Randy's assistance (continuing this morning at 8am local and around midnight his
time) my problems with Image have been sorted out (for some reason my swapfile was just
too small, and since NeXTstep/mach doesn't do any "garbage" collecting in the swapfile, it
would just continue to grow - not as a result of Image's coding.)

Over the years I have had literally everything with my NeXT go wrong, every purchase,
every enhancement, everything...This is the first time when a company has responded so
enthusiastically and with such eagerness to make sure the customer is satisfied to the
fullest degree possible.

All I can say is "Wow" and Kudos II to Appsoft!

A very impressed customer,
Scott

-- 
EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk   OR   scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail)
SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE
SUN Computers:  "Nice chips, shame about her OS"
"If a virtual tree falls in a virtual forest, does it make a virtual sound?"
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXT on ComputerWorld
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:23:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan27.092427.3946@nic.csu.net> sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:
>NeXT article on ComputerWorld this week.... on the back page
>It mentioned about NeXT having to be a software company
>It also said that NeXT will introduce a RISC machine in May


So which is it? Hardware or Software? (which RISC chip?)


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