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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Phreaks indicted
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:54:56 GMT

In article <01GMWSRMC6TC8WWANR@delphi.com> NEWSDAY1@delphi.com writes:
 
>Certainly it's possible that some of the media camped outside the
>door got the address from a print publication, but any reporter
>(or reader, for that matter) worth his or her salt could easily
>have obtained the defendant's address from law enforcement. If anything,
>publication of the address may have saved some reporters a phone call.

The truly chilling hypothetical case is one in which the newspaper
publishes the address of a defendant in a particularl horrifying or
disturbing crime. For example, if a person is charged with the rape of a
child, some citizens may choose to take the law into their own hands--when
one balances the news value of publishing the defendant's address against
the increased possibility of assault or vandalism, it's hard to justify
publishing the address.

I should add at this point that I speak as a former newspaper editor. This
is the sort of problem I often had to deal with. 


--Mike







-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a law-
mnemonic@eff.org | breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every
(617) 864-0665   | man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy."
EFF, Cambridge   |         --Brandeis, J., dissenting in Olmstead v. U.S.  
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Subject: Re: THE ELECTRONIC NEWSPAPER
Organization: The Leaning Tower of Patterson Office @ The Univ. of KY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:38:49 GMT

In article <BrJouF.7vx@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> kculhane@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Kevin Culhane) writes:
:One feature of this is that the phone company knows where you are (ie. what
:cell you are currently in) all the time.    Pretty scary.

As much as I'd like to stay in constant communications, there's no way
I'd let anyone (corporate, personal, or govt) track me so easily. Only
with some means installed to guarantee that they can't (shouldn't
require too much imagination, to cook up a scheme) would I allow this.

Sean
-- 
                  |``Wind, waves, etc. are breakdowns in the face of the
Sean Casey        | commitment to getting from here to there. But they are the
sean@s.ms.uky.edu | conditions for sailing -- not something to be gotten rid
U of KY, Lexington| of, but something to be danced with.''
From: fred@polaris.async.vt.edu (Fred Homan)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: phreaks indicted, p.2
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:09:06 GMT
Organization: Escape from Blacksburg, VA

In article <kXF6NB3w164w@cellar.org> rogue@cellar.org (Rachel McGregor) writes:
>nigel.allen@canrem.com (nigel allen)
>quotes a U.S. Secret Service press release:
>
>>    Rosenfeld, age 21, resides at [....]
>> Alfredo De La Fe, age 18, resides at [....]
>
>What the hell is the Secret Service doing here?  Do they routinely hand out
>the home addresses of people they indict?
>
>My first response is to think they're attempting to harrass the defendants
>by removing their privacy.  Even if they damage their own case, they seem
>more interested in damaging the defendant's lives.

	It very well could be what you say.  It also could be some stupidity
on the part of the PR people for the Secret Service.  Since legal documents
require addresses of those charged (Too many Tom Smiths and you get the
wrong one is the reason, I believe.) they may have done a simple copy from
the indictment papers.  Judging from the handling of Operation Sun Devil I'm
more likely to say the Secret Service is incompetent than unethical.


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Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: What is "pay-per-read"? 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 08:49:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: What organization???


In article <23274@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP writes:

  > Face it, Peter, no matter what you claim,  copyright exists,
  > and you're not free to do whatever with the articles
  > that you allow to propigate to your computer.  
The why do you deliberatly make those articles to propagate to my machine? I
don't even WANT to receive your messages. But what can I do about it?

  > I find it surprising that so many computer professionals have so little
  > regard for intellectual property when it's in bytes instead of paper.
  > Especially since their livelihood depends on their like intellectual
  > property.
Copyright, at least in The Netherlands, protects the appearance, the shape or
whatever of a copyrighted subject. That is, the letters and the pictures in a
book, the shape of a sculpture, etc. It does not protect the ideas that are in
a book (i.e. the intellectual property). And it is perfectly legal to write a
book with the same information as some other book, as long as the books don't
*look* too similar. But given the rediculous GUI-wars in the US of A, things
might be a bit different in your country...

If you think about it for a moment, you would realize that protecting
intellectual property is impossible. For instance, if Brian Kernighan and Denis
Ritchie are holders of the intellectual property of their language C, then all
the books in the world about C and most C compilers are illegal (i.e. in the
countries that signed the Bern convention). They invented the language and
published the first book about it, so C is clearly their intellectual property.

I can read your article, collect the information and write it down in my own
article and submit it to a newspaper, magazine or whatever. So far for
intellectual property.

  >  Bush    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
  >    vs       *by USENET and like free facilities granted. Said permission is
Hahaha! USENET is NOT free.

  >  Just Say !NO!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
NlNet, the (only?) Dutch USENET service requests fl. 2,50 for *each* reader.
There is at least one BBS I know in Holland that charges for every message you
read, thus it is a pay-for-read service. What can they do to not receive your
messages?

Greetings,
Peter Busser
---
I don't do .sigs

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news,comp.org.eff.talk
From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news,comp.org.eff.talk,ne.general
Subject: Computers, Freedom, Privacy tape series on WUMB
Keywords: cfp radio wumb
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:50:03 GMT
Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk, ne.general
Distribution: ne
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: rita@eff.org


For General Information:

	Debra Chasin of the  University of Massachusetts Boston radio
station WUMB has asked me to announce that WUMB 91.9FM will be airing
the series of speeches taped at Computers, Freedom, and Privacy II
last March.

They will be broadcast on Sundays from 7pm to 8pm, August 2 through October
11.



*I set distribution for ne, so don't flame me if this reaches Finland,
because I did my best.

-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | Inbred Jed sez: Check with the Morman
155 Second Street                | Church before marrying; inbreeding 
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | is everyone's problem.
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news,comp.org.eff.talk
Organization: University of Arizona Student Information & Research Services
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:55:46 MST
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From:         Michael Clore <CLORE@ACM.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Communications of the ACM

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:01:53 MST Michael Clore said:
>CACM is, however, available via WAIS.  If you are not familiar with
>WAIS then telnet into quake.think.com and login as swais.  WAIS

Correction: login as wais

Sorry.

Michael Allen Clore           |Internet: clore@acm.org  Phone:(602) 621-8541
 -Southern Arizona ACM, Chair |"It is unworthy of excellent (persons) to lose
 -ACM/NS Information Project  | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation"
 -Univ. of Arizona, Analyst   |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716)
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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:18:11 EDT
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From:         David Andrew Vaughan <CPTL_L050656@DMMS1.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      open architecture
X-To:         acm-l@ohstvma.acs.ohio-state.edu

    I'd greatly appreciate someone sending me a definition of
"open architecture" and directing me toward some books on the topic?

    Thanks in advance for your response!

David Andrew Vaughan
Associate Consultant
GE Consulting Services
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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:01:53 MST
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         Michael Clore <CLORE@ACM.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Communications of the ACM
              28 Jul 1992 14:29:45 GMT from <feeney@TIGGER.JVNC.NET>

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:29:45 GMT Michael J. Feeney said:
>Where can I obtain issues of _Communications_of_the_ACM_ ?

To order single copy items, contact the ACM Order Department.
Their email address is ACMPUBS@ACMVM.BITNET (see previous postings
about sending email to BITNET nodes from the Internet).

>
>Are they FTPable from any sites on the Internet?

No.  We could go on and on about this subject, but I won't start anything.

CACM is, however, available via WAIS.  If you are not familiar with
WAIS then telnet into quake.think.com and login as swais.  WAIS
provides a full text search of articles
by keywords.  Only the text of the articles
is available.  So, once you find the articles you're interested in,
it might be worthwhile to order the corresponding issues of the CACM.

Thanks.

Michael Allen Clore           |Internet: clore@acm.org  Phone:(602) 621-8541
 -Southern Arizona ACM, Chair |"It is unworthy of excellent (persons) to lose
 -ACM/NS Information Project  | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation"
 -Univ. of Arizona, Analyst   |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:50:47 -0500
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From:         Bob Brookshire <FAC_RGB@JMUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Call for Papers

                               Call for Papers
                     Office Systems Research Association
                      Twelfth Annual Research Conference
                               March 6-7, 1992
                               San Antonio, TX

The OSRA Executive Board invites interested persons to submit papers for
consideration by the Conference Committee.  The theme for the 1993 conference
is "The Workplace Transformation: Managing Change in a Performance-Driven
Organization."

Submit four double-spaced copies of your paper or panel proposals by November
1, 1992.  Papers should not exceed 15 pages.  To facilitate the blind reviewing
process, the author's name and affiliation should appear only on a separate
title page along with a maximum of four descriptors.  Authors whose papers are
selected and panelists who are members of accepted panels are expected to
register for the Conference.  Send complete papers/panel proposals to :

          Dr. Bridget O'Connor
          OSRA Call for Papers Coordinator
          New York University
          300 East Building, 239 Green St.
          New York, NY 10003
          phone: (212) 998-5488
          e-mail: oconnorb@acfl.nyu.edu

A special conference session will feature student papers submitted to the OSRA
Call for Papers Coordinator at the address listed above.  The deadline for the
receipt of student proposals is November 1, 1992.

Suggested Topics:

The Conference Committee will consider a broad range of office information
systems (OIS) and end user computer (EUC) research topics, including (but not
limited to) the following areas of interest:

Industry/University Partnerships
Case Studies/Action Research
Technology Management
Behavioral and Organizational Issues in Implementing OIS/EUC
Human Factors of Information Technology
Information Worker Performance
OIS/EUC Implementation Strategies and Issues
Information Centers
End User and OIS Technologies
Career Opportunities
Collegiate Education
Technology and Corporate Strategy
Planning and Conducting an Effective Research Project
Data Gathering and Analysis Techniques
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Re: open architecture
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:08:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.misc
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

In article <1992Jul27.130244.1993@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> srebnick@bagels.ENET.dec.com writes:

>In the networks space, OSI (Open System Interconnection) is an example of an
>open architecture.  It was (is being) developed by committees consisting of
>many vendors.  The end result is an open networks architecture and protocol
>suite that many vendors can implement, and (theoretically) have their systems
>communicate with one another.

  In the networks space, the best example is the INTERNET, whose
protocol specifications are available at no cost and are available
worldwide in both printed and electronic form.  Unlike OSI, the end
result is an open network architecture and protocol suite that most
vendors have successfully implemented and have demonstrated
interoperability with other independent implementations.  

TCP/IP works today ! and implementations are freely available.

  A good reference on TCP/IP is the pair of books by Doug Comer.
Others also exist, but Comer is unusually readable and covers all of
the major ground.

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
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Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:45:12 EDT
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         "Joe Katz" <JOEKATZ@ACMVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ACM/SIGPLAN
              28 Jul 1992 21:45:14 GMT from <beaver@TICIPA.PAC.SC.TI.COM>

For ACM Membership Information, please write to ACMHELP@ACMVM.BITNET.

Thanks for your interest!

Joe Katz
From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: RE: ACM Report on Hacking
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:03:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

I'd like to know how I can get a copy of the full report of 
the ACM Panel on Hacking.  I've seen referrences to it in 
Dorothy Denning's article on Hackers and would like to get
a copy.  I'm a student member, but I have not seen it listed
in the ACM publications catalog.

Can anyone help?

-- 
<<                                                               >>
<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<< BitNet: m_brown@fauvax                                        >>
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: mjb@netcom.com (Martin Brown)
Subject: Re: Communications of the ACM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 06:42:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul28.142945.2385@tigger.jvnc.net> feeney@tigger.jvnc.net (Michael J. Feeney) writes:
>Where can I obtain issues of _Communications_of_the_ACM_ ?
>
>Are they FTPable from any sites on the Internet?
>
>Please e-mail responses.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>-Mike
>

Your better stocked bookstores and newsstands frequently carry it.
-- 

                                   - mjb -

                                mjb@netcom.com
From: beaver@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Richard Beaver)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: ACM/SIGPLAN
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:45:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas Instruments

Can anyone give me an email address for ACM?  I would like to get some info
about joining.

Thanks,
Richard A. Beaver	    Internet: beaver@spdc.ti.com
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:04:00 MSK
              <ACM-L@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
From:         "MICHAEL I. TROFIMOV" <L447@SUEARN2.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: OPEN ARCHITECTURE

THERE IS INTERESTING
   OPEN SYSTEMS HANDBOOK: A GUIDE TO BUILDING OPEN SYSTEMS,
   1991,(C) DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORP.

THERE IS POINTED OUT THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS USE
DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF OPEN SYSTEM TERM (P.2-4). THIS IS IMPORTANT
PROBLEM CAUSES GREAT DIFFICULTIES.

   -MICHAEL.
       RUSSIAN ACADEMY OF SCI, MOSCOW.  L447@SUEARN2.BITNET
From: feeney@tigger.jvnc.net (Michael J. Feeney)
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
Subject: Communications of the ACM
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:29:45 GMT
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Originator: feeney@nisc.jvnc.net

Where can I obtain issues of _Communications_of_the_ACM_ ?

Are they FTPable from any sites on the Internet?

Please e-mail responses.

Thanks in advance!

-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.org.acm
From: srebnick@bagels.enet.dec.com (David Srebnick)
Subject: Re:      open architecture
Reply-To: srebnick@bagels.ENET.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:02:44 GMT



David,

My understanding of an "open architecture" is one whose design specifications
and standards are publicly available, allowing many vendors to implement
systems compatible with the specification.  The opposite of an "open
architecture" is a "proprietary architecture."

Could you be more specific?  Are you interested in network architectures,
operating system architectures...

In the networks space, OSI (Open System Interconnection) is an example of an
open architecture.  It was (is being) developed by committees consisting of
many vendors.  The end result is an open networks architecture and protocol
suite that many vendors can implement, and (theoretically) have their systems
communicate with one another.

For networks one book to read is: "The Open Book: A Practical Perspective on
OSI" by Marshall T. Rose, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 07632.  (c)
1990.

Dave

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From: stellabo@helix.cshl.org (Fred Stellabotte)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.dec.micro,comp.terminals
Subject: Runing APL on a VAX
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:00:23 GMT
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory


Can anyone help ...??

I need to run VAX  APL on a VAX4000 model 5000 ..

I am having trouble bringing up a xterm or any window that
supports the APL fonts ..

Is there a MS-DOS terminal emulator that handles APL fonts ..??

I would even consider buying a APL terminal If it could be setup
to connect to the vax VIA TCP/IP or LAT or DECNET ..

Thanks for your help ..


_______________________________________________________________________
  >| ====  Fred J. Stellabotte                     stellabo@cshl.org  
  >| ====  Computer Systems Manager
  >| ====  CFIA SEL MEL Instrument         
  >| ==== ___________________________________________________________
  >| ====  Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory         Voice: (516)367-8420
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From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: DECUS numbers
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:52:42 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <1992Jul21.133922.8441@umbc3.umbc.edu>, themos@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Themos Pentakalos; ADMIN-COMP) writes:
>
>I can't believe that in this whole damned list there is not one
>person who has a phone number for DECUS.
>
>-tip

	I think you owe the group apology.  A reply to your request was posted
WITHIN two ours and a message mailed to you within 8 hours (by me).  Not
everyone lives in their newsreaders!!!!

	I obtained the numbers by LOOKING in the DECUS Library Catalog.

	I am posting a copy of this message to the group.

==========================================================================
* Gerald W. Lester                        !   Voice:  (504)-889-2784     *
* Computerized Processes Unlimited        !   FAX:    (504)-889-2799     *
* 4200 S. I-10 Service Road, Suite #205   !   E-Mail: LESTER@decus.org   *
* Metairie, LA  70001                     !   Third Party Providers SIG  *
==========================================================================


Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: Membership
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:05:13 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <1992Jul20.152726.17669@decuac.dec.com>, jeff@ryhope.del.dec.com (Jeff Finkelstein) writes:
>
>Years back, (well actually about 12 years) when I was a customer I joined DECUS.
>Since I went to work for Digital (about 5 years ago) I have forgotten all about
>my membership. Now I would like to start to get involved once again. How do I
>find out if I am still active, and if not how to activate it?
>--

Jeff,

	If you are not getting mailings from DECUS, it is a good sign that you
have been purged from the membership database.  You should contact the DECUS
office to get an application and fill it out.  Here is the phone number:

		(508)-841-3564

	I don't have the Digital equiv. number.


==========================================================================
* Gerald W. Lester                        !   Voice:  (504)-889-2784     *
* Computerized Processes Unlimited        !   FAX:    (504)-889-2799     *
* 4200 S. I-10 Service Road, Suite #205   !   E-Mail: LESTER@decus.org   *
* Metairie, LA  70001                     !   Third Party Providers SIG  *
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Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: klr@umbc4.umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Subject: Numbers for DECUS registration, etc.
Organization: Hadron.com in exile
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:49:17 GMT

 | From MANN_J@a1.decus.org Tue Jul 21 10:29:52 1992
 | Date: 21 Jul 1992 15:08:00 -0500 (EST)
 | From: Joanie Mann 508-841-3623 <MANN_J@decus.org>
 | Subject: REF: 800 # for Las Vegas
 | 
 | Kurt,
 | 
 | In reply to your question on the availability of an 800 number for
 | Las Vegas:
 | 
 | For registration:
 | 
 | No 800 number, however, you may call:  508-841-3341, in September to
 | register for the Symposium.  or FAX:  508-841-3357
 | 
 | Cost = early bird, (5) days = $550
 |      = walk-in     (5) days = $825
 | 
 | 
 | Joanie


-- 
                Kurt Reisler (UNISIG Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
		  Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
		     Only a guest at klr@umbc4.umbc.edu
	     Are creative spellings like a patentable life form?
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