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From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Subject: Re: Lake turnover
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:09:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.075602.25871@hemlock.cray.com> peder@cray.com writes:
>
>Would anyone care to explain the concept of lake turnover and how it affects
>fish?  My basic understanding is that the surface temperature of a lake gets
BO
>colder than the temperature at the bottom of the lake; the warmer water then
>rises, hence turnover.  But why don't the fish bite during turnover - all
>I've heard is that "it makes the fish sick"?  How long after turnover before
>the fishing picks up?  Does turnover only occur in deeper (30+ ft) lakes, or
>doesn't the lake depth matter?  Do all lakes in a specific area turnover about
>the same time?

I can answer some of your questions.

1) Your basic understanding is correct as far as I know.

2) The reason the fish respond negatively is that the colder water
   beneath the thermalcline is very low in oxygen.  When the lake
   turns and the low oxygen water mixes with the higher oxygen water
   above, the net result is lower overall oxygen content in the
   zones usually occupied by fish.

3) During turnover bass fishermen usually head to the upper regions
   of a reservoir where there is more current and less depth - thus
   less turnover effect.

I don't know the answers to the rest of your questions - I could
only surmise.
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod building
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:57:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.433
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <1992Sep25.155426.22964@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
>Having done 5 rods and looking back, the glue job seems to make the
>biggest difference between a good and great rod.   Using the 2-part
>epoxy (yellow lid, black lid jars), I never expect to do more than
>1/2 a rod before the expoxy thickens up and I mix up a new batch.
>I usually use the bottom (outside) of a pop can as a mixing bowl.
>
wow Tom, what are you gluing to use so much glue? The only thing I usually
glue is the handle and tip top. Are you using REAL fast setting epoxy, if
so then I would suggest a slower setting type. Are you mixing it too hot?
In either case the joint will be more brittle.
-grego
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From: boone@rtsg.mot.com (Todd D. Boone)
Subject: Re: Worn rod tips.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:16:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.143353.8456@midway.uchicago.edu> fejd@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I need to use the collective wisdom of the net to find the best solution
>to a little problem. I have a few good rods which I would very much like to
>keep but the tips (last eyelet) are worn and groved. Someone told me to put
>a drop of "super glue" on them and it will fill in the imperfections and will
>provide a hard surface so as not to scratch the line. Is this ok?
>The tips are chromed or polished metal.
>
>If this is not an option, how should they be removed to be replaced.
>
>Thanks for any help.
> 

 If the rods are made by reputable manufacturers, I recommend that you send
 em back with a note telling em what the problem is.  If you feel that the 
 eyelet shouldn't have worn over the period of time you've had em they'll
 more than likely replace the entire rod.

-todd
>
>
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>+-------------------------------+
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From: Peter@pdegrassi.ccs.ryerson.ca (Peter Degrasssi)
Subject: Re: Ontario Salmon Run Info Update
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Inst.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:54:29 GMT

In article <BuxnCn.I73@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park) writes:
>From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
>Subject: Re: Ontario Salmon Run Info Update
>Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 14:38:46 GMT
>In article <92261.184359SYST8136@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>, <SYST8136@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>|> The salmon are running like crazy up the Credit River in Mississauga.  Steel-
>|> head and brown trout have also been caught recently.  I was fishing below the
>|> Burnhamthorpe Road brigde last Sunday and nailed a 20+# male chinook on my
>|> third drift.  Lots of fish, lots of anglers.  A guy who had a 4# silver brown
>|> hen on his stringer said he released a 10# male brown ealier that morning.
>|> Some guys have all the luck :-( .
>|> 
>I was down at Erindale Park (near the ice breaker) and saw two fish go up and
>1 fish on in about 50+ anglers. We fished a bit and then decided to check 
>below Burnhamthorpe before going home. Saw some anglers and saw more fish too.
>We went back to get our equipment and I was into  sliver 20+ female but she
>down river and I lost it. Tied into others but could not hold on. Water was
>too muddy from all the rain. I plan to go back soon.
>
>|> The salmon were in the river as early as July 20th... I know that because I
>|> tied into one while going for smallmouth at the old McCarthy mill dam.
>
>Where is McCarthy Mill DAM ? Is is just above the Streetsville DAM?
>-- 
>Richard Park	

McCarthy mill dam is between Eglington and Streetsville (Reid's mill) Dam.
The dam is in ruins, but there is nice hole there.  Unfortunately the stretch
of river from Burnhamthorpe to the Streetsville Dam is closed from mid-August
to April.

Peter Degrassi
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From: jcook@goober.cs.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan Cook)
Subject: Re: Salmon Fishing - Niagra River.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:31:16 GMT

In article <60664@mimsy.umd.edu> jerryw@cs.umd.edu (Jerry Wieber) writes:
>In article <6365@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey) writes:
>>To All:
>>    Anyone out there been fishing for Salmon just below Niagra Falls.
>
>Boy, that sounds like a blast!  I'd *love* to see those salmon jump
>that.  But seriously, what is the basis of this run?  Hatchery fish,
>I suppose....
>
>-Jerry

Well, by definition all great lakes salmon are hatchery fish (maybe
the michigan salmon were successful in spawning, I don't know). I 
don't think they meant "just below the falls"; I don't think they
allow rods on the "Maid of the Mist". Besides, there's some class 5
rapids to get there. 

Further downstream, though, the salmon do follow their hormones and
run up the Niagara. I've only fished for steelhead in the lower
Niagara, but I hear the salmon fishing can be quite good.

Jon.
From: ecg@po.CWRU.Edu (Edward C. Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: November Fishing in the Nashville area
Date: 5 Oct 1992 19:52:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Hi,
	I'll be visiting my parents in Nashville TN for thanksgiving
and I'ld appreciate any advice about some fun fishing in the area.
I probably won't have access to a boat so any information about bank
fishing or wading would be great.
				Thanks!

-- 
Ed Goodwin (1 kyu)			"Facts do not cease to exist
ecg@po.cwru.edu				 because they are ignored."
ecg@po.cwru.edu@cunynm (bitnet)		 -Aldous Huxley
Molecular Biologist to the Stars!
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From: tpj2j@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Trevor Paul Johnson)
Subject: Florida fishing
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:55:42 GMT

I'm from Bradenton, Florida, and I go fishing down there quite a
bit.  Fishing on the west coast can be incredible if some basic
knowledge exists.  There are a few things which have helped me
immensely.  One of them is to go with a guide in an area which
you would like to fish.  You can learn about the best spots to
fish, however pay attention to the route the guides take you
many will try to confuse you and get you turned around.  Other
things that you can pick up from a guide include fishing tips.
For example, I learned on one of my trips that if you hook a
greenback shiner on the ventral side it makes them swim funny
as if injured this creates more strikes.  There are many other
cues which are learned when fishing with a guide.  Another tip
to learning about Florida fishing is to talk to fishermen in
baitstores or wherever.  Most are glad to help you and make
suggestions about what is working.  However, no fishermen will
give away his sugar spot.  These tips can be helpful along with
others if anyone is interested.  I would like to be informed of
current fishing conditions down in Florida or maybe some
fishing tips that work for you.  I'm a college student at the
University of Virginia so I miss Florida fishing.  So it would
be nice to here of an amazing Florida fishing trip.
P.S.  Please follow the guidelines so are kids may also enjoy
the art of fishing.
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From: eburns@ADS.COM (Edward Burns)
Subject: Re: SalmonRiver?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:28:41 GMT

In article <BvI2JA.vw@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.bell.ca writes:

>has a fish. It is also funny to see them snag one and fight it thinking they
>hooked one legally while the regulars usually can detect a snag and break 
>the line so others can fish.                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm not sure why you think this is a good thing.  I would rather
see people land the fish and release it in a proper way instead
of leaving it to get tangled somewhere and die without a chance
to spawn.  Just because breaking the line is faster doesn't make
it the correct choice.  Incidental snags are part of fishing and
breaking the line rather than dealing with them almost seems like
a "meat fisherman's" way out.  We all need to respect the resources
more than that.

Ed


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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:14:45 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
> Re: back-rowing and whitewater guide books:
> 
> You'll find the two in slight conflict.  With oar-frame craft, back rowing
> with an occasional forward-push to break waves is the norm, but paddle-based
> whitewater rafting is usually done by paddling forward all the time.

Only if you are using paddles.  I have an Aluminum  rowing frame in my
raft, as do most  others,  and thus the  techiniques  are the same for
both craft.  Some books do teach with the idea that the boater will be
using a rowing  frame.  If you are just running a paddle boat than you
are correct that  everyone just paddles  forward.  That is the classic
whitewater method for rafting  companies, but not for fishing.  I have
a full back  chair and also use the 9ft oars like  Mike  has.  This is
also why I can claim to have  more  control  with a raft  since we are
using the same rowing  method, but I am lighter,  shorter,  and do not
require nearly as much water to maneuver.

Hopefully  we will be out in  Oregon  in May and will be  rafting  the
McKenzie, sans Browns Hole, and you are most welcome to join me in the
adventure.

Dave
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> The good news is that the fishing is free in the National Parks, but
> you are required to pick up a permit as you enter the park.  I live
> close to Yellowstone National Park, which still has spectacularly
> good fishing in most of its rivers.
> 
> 

This is NOT true in general.  In fact, the only park that I know of that
has free fishing is Yellowstone because it became a park before Wyoming,
where it is primarily situated, became a state.  The other national park
in Wyoming, Grand Teton, requires a valid Wyoming fishing license.

In general, fishing in national parks requires a valid fishing license
for the state you are in.  There may be exceptions, like Yellowstone,
but I know of none.

Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com
From: 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Funny fish story(Yer kidding!?)
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:15:26 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Just thought I would relate a funny fishing story that happened this last
weekend....I took my inexperienced friend fishing on a private pond, helped him
get set up, and sure enough about three minutes later, *I* had one on, and he
was sitting there waiting impatiently.  What I had on was a chub I had snagged, 
so I just threw on a big bobber and sent it back out. I purposefully didn't
tell my friend about the noise chubs made in case he should get one too.
Sure enough, he did.  He reeled it in, and got it up on shore, and the 
minute he had picked the thing up it squeaked for all it was worth!  My 
buddy threw the fish and rod away from him and ran screaming for about 10 yards
before looking back!!  I, of course, was in stitches with laughter! I
wondered later if he would ever go fishing again, but I figured he would-
 If only to go to the same pond and get someone else with the same thing!
  					JCA
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From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: Live Wells??
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:01:50 GMT

	Bass Pro Shops used to sell one a few years ago.  To my knowledge it
	is still available.  It is made from a cooler!!
		
							Good Luck!

							Kevin Dailey


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From: ferry@aps.anl.gov (Richard Ferry)
Subject: Fishing Report: Hayward, Wisconsin - Lac Court Oreilles
Reply-To: ferry@aps.anl.gov
Organization: Argonne National Lab -- APS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:45:11 GMT

Lac Court Oreilles is a large (5000+ acre) lake located about 15 miles south of
Hayward Wisconsin. It has holes as deep as 90 feetand many rock and sand bars in
5 to 10 feet of water. The lake is spring fed with crystal clear water.

I just returned from this lake with no complaints. The weather was perfect with
temperatures ranging from 60 to 75 degrees. The fishing was excellent from sun-up 
to sun-down. For evening entertainment, there is an Indian casino just North-East of the lake where we made small donations to the Ojibwa tribe.

The Crappies seemed to be hitting on small crappie minnows and tube jigs. It really
didn't seem to matter what time of the day it was. The first school we found was on 
the north-east end of the lake about 10 feet of water. they fed from about 2:00 pm
till 6:00. It was steady fishing but not a fish with every cast. In 4 hours, we had 
40+ crappies from 1-1/2 to 2 lbs, and several other smaller crappies which were released. We went back to the same area several times catching 5 or 6 crappies each
time.

On the northern end of the lake there is a rock bar called "Blue Goose Point" that 
consistantly produced nice smallmouth bass(14-16 inches). We were fishing with
4" sucker minnows right at sundown. The mosquitoes would show up, the small minnows
began feeding on them, then the smallmouth began to hit. They would be around for 
about 20 minutes then the mosquitoes would leave and the smallmouth would quit feeding.

We caught no Musky during the trip but caught several northern, the largest being 
33-1/2" long and about 6-1/2 lbs. It was caught on a 2" crappie minnow off 
"Blue Goose Point" while we were waiting for the smallmouth to show up.

All in all, I would say it was avery relaxing and enjoyable trip and would highly reccomend the lake.
From: tzu@homxb.att.com (51291-C.TZU(HOT015)0824)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: need information for fishing in USA parks
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:47:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <530013@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly) writes:
>> The good news is that the fishing is free in the National Parks, but
>> you are required to pick up a permit as you enter the park.  I live
>> close to Yellowstone National Park, which still has spectacularly
>> good fishing in most of its rivers.
>> 
>> 
>
>This is NOT true in general.  In fact, the only park that I know of that
>has free fishing is Yellowstone because it became a park before Wyoming,
>where it is primarily situated, became a state.  The other national park
>in Wyoming, Grand Teton, requires a valid Wyoming fishing license.
>
>In general, fishing in national parks requires a valid fishing license
>for the state you are in.  There may be exceptions, like Yellowstone,
>but I know of none.
>
>Mike McNelly
>mike@fc.hp.com
Olympic National Park (Washington) also does not require license.
Glacier National Park (Montana/Canada, good fishing!) as far I
remember requires a license, which can be purchased in the park.

Chris Tzu
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From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: Names for largemouth bass
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.152325.29230@rtsg.mot.com> boone@rtsg.mot.com (Todd D. Boone) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.210926.29631@mcnc.org> kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:
>>I came up with this list in a couple of minutes.  Anyone have any others?
>>
>>Largemouth Bass
>>Green Trout
>>Bucketmouth
>>Bigmouth
>>Hawg (that's southern for Hog)
>>Hawgjaw (my personal favorite)
>>Stumpjumper
>>Sow (reserved for large females)
>>Mossyback
>>Black Bass (also includes smallmouth and spotted bass)
>>
>>
>>Kevin (the piscatoral vacuum cleaner) Siefering
>
> Knothead or Dink ( a small bass)
> 
> 

Don't forget "lunker"!  
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Rod Building Tool
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:20:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: apollo.BvCo5p.EF4
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant

Hi,

Last night I was wrapping a rod, and kept getting frustrated trying
to get the right thread tension. I lost my tension device when moving
long ago, and have been using the 'book' method. That's a pain because
you have to find books that have the right weight, so I went to the
garage and built a new tension device. I figured this might be of help
to new builders, since the store bought facsimile is $19+ and this one
cost about $3.00.
The illustration is not the best, but hopefully it will convey the idea.
The base is a 10" piece of 1"x4" pine (because that's what was in my scrap
pile :->).On top, drill a hole about .25" deep and epoxy in a 3" high dowel.
Then drill a 1/4" hole 2-3" to the left. In this hole I put a machine bolt.
I used a machine bolt because the bottom (or top depending on your perspective)
is unthreaded. Threads are nasty for wrapping thread. Epoxy in the bolt. On
top of the bolt slide a very short spring, then a steel washer, then 2 felt
washers (cut out of a felt square $.39 at a craft shop), then another steel
washer, then a longer spring (should cover the rest of the bolt), then another
steel washer, then a wingnut. I mount two on my board because I use 2 colors
of thread. You may want more.
Put your thread spool on the dowel, then run the thread between the 2 felt
washers and tighten the wingnut until you get the tension you want."How much
do I want ?" you ask ? When you wrap the rod you should feel solid resistance,
but it shouldn't be a struggle to take line. Nebulous ? Yes, but you'll know
when you have it right :-> Oh, if you didn't drill an inset for the head of the
bolt you'll need to attach short legs to it...
                                        jc in me.
                                       'i'm on a LOW bud_get...'

              O===O }wingnut
               ---}steel washer
                S
                S} Spring
                S
               ___
               ---} steel washers outside, felt inside
                S} Spring


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         |       H                |      H
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From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: : Baitcasting rods/reels
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:32:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: VM1.16874B060.D1SAR
Organization: The University of Akron

I have an older Shimano bait caster and it has been a very good reel.
It is a lefty.  Shimano has made a lot of quality fishing gear.
Other bait casters that I have are the Ryobi AD5000v, and Diawa 27sh.
Both are very good reels. The Diawa is used mostly for trolling with
wire line for walleye in Lake Erie.
 
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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:25:18 GMT

They've already figured out that we torture fish for our own pleasure when we 
practice C&R (with our rubber pants and throbbing rods...:-) ).   Wait till 
they find out that people factory-farm birds solely for the feathers we need to
conduct the torture.  I hope Hoffmann, Metz. et al have fortified their farms;
I'd give them five more years of peace (at the outside) if they don't.  Sigh.

So many of the Bambi people seem to be misanthropes at heart ... perhaps they
could be our allies in extirpating jet skiers. 

Bruce Pencek

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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: Rod Dryer Phone #
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:06:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

Hi,
    Clemens' phone # (215) 395-5119. The part number is
No. 60-34-01 "Low RPM Rod Dryer"


> John Fereira :
>$19.95 is a great price.  However, I built one out of an old BBQ grill
>motor and it seems to work just fine.  I bought the motor at a goodwill
>store for $2.00.  Check out those flea markets. 
    great stuff cheap ! i bought a pair of tele skiis at a yard sale
this weekend, but they didn't have any fishing possibilities...but
we got my wife a sewing machine & table that has leafs on either side -
well danged if it didn't turn out to be perfect for rod building...
needless to say the machine has been unbolted and replaced with my
good stuff cheap rod building rig :-> It's OK, we're not overly
domestic types anyways...

                                    jc
                         ripped pants, but what nice guide wraps 
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