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From: venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
Subject: How to receive WM_ messages within Visual Basic ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:50:00 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

How can I trap messages such as WM_CLOSE, WM_QUIT or user defined WM messages
within Visual Basic ?


Thanks,
-ramesh
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From: dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
Subject: Re: How can access intnet in Toronto?
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:53:57 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

leying@alpha.management.mcgill.ca (Leying Zhao) writes:

>Hi,

>I am going to move to Toronto soon. Is there any way I can access this
>intnet in Toronto?

>I sppreciate any information.


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From: robert@solan.unit.no (Robert Schmidt)
Subject: Re: MFC under BCC?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:23:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.172301.3596@microsoft.com>, gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie) writes:
 > In article <1992Aug13.211344.10040@odi.com> ed@odi.com (Ed Schwalenberg) writes:
 > >In article <1992Aug11.020925.18514@microsoft.com> johnkal@microsoft.com (John Kallen) writes:
 > >
 > > With luck, a standard DOS/Win/OS-2 name-mangling will evolve. Until
 > > then, one will have to have sources to libraries, or compiler-vendor-dependent
 > > .LIB files (bleargh...)
 > >
 > >Let's assume that a standard name-mangling exists.  You're still in the soup
 > >unless object layout (alignment rules, location of vptrs, size of vtbls, etc)
 > >is identical and calling conventions are identical.
 > 
 > The fact the different vendors use different name mangling schemes is a
 > good thing precisely because of the point you make.  If we all had the
 > same mangling you would get strange run-time behavior instead of
 > link errors.  
 > 
 > -Greg

To finish this off: I checked out the Borland white paper on converting
MFC to compile with BC.  The changes are fairly extensive, in my opinion.
Boy, do I wish diffs were standard under MSDOS.  

Does anyone have the diffs, BTW?  I guess I have a diff port that should
take'em.

 
 > -- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
From: dch2@engr.uark.edu (David Hobbs)
Subject: Re: Need info on Visual BASIC
Organization: University of Arkansas
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:49:59 GMT

rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel) writes:
>
[stuff deleted...]

>It is fairly stable and doesn't need a monster hard disk to load. It
>is also pretty cheap. One consideration - it has been out for quite a
>while; anyone know if version 2 is due soon? 
>

I highly recommend VB!  I was able to write productive software in almost 
no time at all.  I also taught someone with almost no programming experience
how to use it VERY quickly.

Yes, Visual Basic 2.0 is in beta right now.  I can't remember where I read it,
but it was in some "reputable" magazine.  My company just applied to become
a beta-test sight.  I'll let all know when I find out anything more.

D.
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From: ar559@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jan Buitenhuis)
Subject: Software publisher sought
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 10:52:22 GMT


I am looking for a software publisher who is potentially
interested in publishing a software development tool
for Windows.

thanks, Jan
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From: cparker@centerline.com (Charles Parker)
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this OWL problem?
Reply-To: cparker@centerline.com
Organization: CenterLine Software
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:33:37 GMT

In article 28348@leland.Stanford.EDU, kmh@leland.Stanford.EDU (khanhmy hoang) writes:
>	My program using Borland's OWL (statically linked) worked perfectly
>	in Windows 3.0 and 3.1 when built using BC++ 3.0.
>	When built using BC++ 3.1, the program crashes in Windows 3.0 but
>	still works fine in Windows 3.1.
>
>	I did define WIN30 during compilation, and this should give me backward
>	compatibility. But this is not what I get.
>

I have not had a similar experience. I have, however, been able to 
run code compiled w/ -DWIN31 under Windows 3.0

	cparker

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From: coa44@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Mark Scase)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
Subject: Re: Screen Saver
Summary: what Borland told me...
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

In article <1992Aug19.213227.8458@wam.umd.edu>, kovert@wam.umd.edu (Todd Kover) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.151143.1548@msdhsv.ingr.com> ahmad@norooz.b17a.ingr.com writes:
> >Borland C++ & AF on-line helps has a topic about screen saver. It
> >mentions SCRNSAVE.LIB and SCRNSAVE.H files but I could not find
> >these files. Why is that?
> 
> Because Borland forgot to include them.  
>
This is not what I was told.  I wrote to Borland UK about this and got a
fax from Brian Long in their technical support.  It said (quoting verbatim):

"The help file you are viewing is licensed directly from Microsoft. As such,
there may be occasions where inaccuracies can occur with our product. The
reference to the screen saver files is one of those times.
"Unlike most .LIB files that are used under Windows, SCRNSAVE.LIB is not
an import library for a DLL, but is a static library.  Because of this fact,
it cannot be linked with Borland C++ (due to inconsistencies in internal
run-time library helper functions etc.). As such, it was not shipped with
the product.
"However, you might like to take a look at the OWLSCRN project in the
\BORLANDC\OWL\EXAMPLES\SCRNSAVE directory for an example of a screen saver
implementation."

I did not really understand this explanation.  If anyone could explain
what this means I'd be grateful.

> Last I heard they were going to be making them available on their BBS and on
> CompuServe.

This seems to contradict with my message from Borland. If the files are
available, could someone ftp them to cica?

Mark Scase    coa44@keele.ac.uk
	 or   coa44%keele.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,comp.windows.ms.programmer
From: cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu (a.stranger)
Subject: Re: Questions on NT and TPW
Originator: cms2839@ultb
Organization: Minimalist Music for Hyperactive Children (MMHC)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:58:55 GMT

In article <dekock.714313831@shannon> dekock@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Nick de Kock) writes:
>First of all I've never noticed the comp.os.ms-windows hierarchy before.
>Why are there two distinct hierarchies dealing with essentially the
>same thing?
>
				the comp.os.ms-windows.* hierarchy was
created to replace the overcrowded comp.windows.ms[.programmer] pair .

>Anyway - Does anyone know whether Borland intends to produce a Win32
>API for TPW? If so, when?
>
				i don't know if this is what you meant ,
but TPW 1.5 does support the Windows 3.1 32 bit functions . looke up 32
bit in the help system for details .

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From: ahmad@norooz.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ahmad Alavi)
Subject: Screen Saver
Reply-To: ahmad@norooz.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: " "
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:11:43 GMT


Borland C++ & AF on-line helps has a topic about screen saver. It
mentions SCRNSAVE.LIB and SCRNSAVE.H files but I could not find
these files. Why is that?

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Intergraph Corporation
ahmad@norooz.b17a.ingr.com
FAX (205)730-7296
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From: bproden@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
Subject: Re: Visual Basic - Paradox Engine, Any Experiences ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:48:10 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <16AUG199222541216@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>, venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman) writes:
> Any experiences with accessing the PXENGINE DLL's from Visual Basic ?. 
> 
> -ramesh
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Yes, I've done it.  There is a file out there somewhere that has the PDOX
Engine declarations for VB, and some sample routines, I think.  I got it
from CI$, but it may be on FTP.CICA.INDIANA.EDU.  Try looking in the 
/pub/pc/win3/programr/vb directory (I think that's the path).

Brian P. Roden
Programmer/Analyst
Leisure Arts, Inc.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: rallen@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Subject: Borland 3.1 TDW and ATI/Ultra
Summary: TDW crashes windows
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:35:48 GMT


Has anybody been able to get Borland 3.1 to work with an ATI/Ultra using
the ultra.dll supplied with the BC3.1 release.

Symptoms:
Invoking debugger from IDE or by clicking on TDW icon crashes windows 
big-time. Ctrl-Alt-Del trick does not work, and leads to the DOS prompt
or sometimes a continuous tone emanating from speaker. On a few (rare)
occasions I have seen the debugger screen come up, only to have the
monitor go black about a half second later ... never to be seen again.
Crash also occurs in 800x600 mode.


Vital Data:
ATI/Ultra 1024x768 Non-interlaced (16bit bus interface).
Windows 3.1 express install over existing 3.0 running Enhanced mode.
10 meg permanent swap file.
486/33 PC clone with AMI BIOS (256K cache).

CONFIG.SYS
-------------------------
device=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
FILES=40
BUFFERS=40
dos=high,umb
device=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE noems x=c000-cfff

devicehigh=c:\dos\ansi.sys
devicehigh=c:\dos\setver.exe
shell=c:\command.com /p/e:1024
STACKS=9,256
-------------------------


I've followed the directions in the readme that came with BC3.1 and am at
a loss. I've fooled around with the above config.sys alot, to no avail, and
am getting tired of rebooting. 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Bob Allen

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From: dem21178@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Montroy)
Subject: Latest version of QC/Win?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:17:03 GMT

What is the latest version of Microsoft's Quick C for Windows?  I have 1.0, 
but the 'View' magazine put out by Microsoft shows the current version is
2.0.  Can anyone confirm this?

Dan
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
From: pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak)
Subject: Re: borland c++ and microsoft c/c++
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
Organization: Mitre Corporation
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:02:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.193916.17762@microsoft.com>, stevesi@microsoft.com
(Steven Sinofsky) wrote:

> >Comparing class libraries, I prefer the Borland class library.  While it
> >doesn't cover the entire Windows API, the sections it does cover contain a
> >much higher level of abstraction the Microsoft Foundation Classes.  When I
> >looked at the MFC a month or two ago, I wasn't impressed.  Most of the MFC
> >seems to be a wrapper around Windows function calls.  While this is great
> >for those who already know Windows and are porting their code, I am
> >doubtful that the MFC will provide the flexiblity that a well designed
> >Object-Oriented Application Framework provides.  
> >
> 
> OWL and MFC provide nearly identical functionality in almost every
> area.  MFC provides substantial abstraction in the areas of OLE, custom

As I stated before, MFC covers more of the Windows API.  However, I will
disagree that MFC provides more abstraction than OWL.

> controls, object persistance (that is much more automatic than OWL's).

I didn't see any advantage in the way MFC does persistance vs OWL.  Could
you care to elaborate?

Also, would you care to comment on MFC's implementation of exception
handling and the LACK of templates.  

Templates have been in the language spec for a while and Borland supports
them while Microsoft doesn't.

Exception handling is still being debated in committee but Microsoft
already has them in their product.  Last I checked, MFC's style of
exception handling differs from the current proposal in front of the
committee.  Isn't this a "non-standard" extension?  What will happen is the
committee comes out with a different exception handling mechanism than the
one used by MFC?

> OWL has 54 classes and MFC has 87, and the classes that the two have
> in common are essentially identical, except that MFC is substantially

Counting classes is really misleading and really doesn't tell you anything
about how well designed the framework is.  Considering that MFC covers more
of the Windows API, I would expect it to have more classes anyway.


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From: stevesi@microsoft.com (Steven Sinofsky)
Subject: Re: borland c++ and microsoft c/c++
Date: 11 Aug 92 03:07:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Can you elaborate on what "serious bugs" exist in the Microsoft class
libraries?  We have had only one minor bug report and posted a patch
on CompuServe (and I have reposted it here) having to do with changing the
background color of a dialog (pretty minor).  Other than that, we have had
no bug reports on CompuServe or USENET.  

Always glad to help, if you provide specifics,
Steven


In article <1992Aug8.210847.13563@cs.UAlberta.CA> ken@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.230926.12692@moe.einstein.com>, jasper@iris.einstein.com (John Scott Peter XXXIII) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug6.062043.28002@cs.UAlberta.CA>, ken@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes:
>> > 
>> > We are currently trying to decide between
>> > borland c++ and microsoft c/c++ for windows development.
>> > 
>> > What are the relative strengths / weaknesses of these
>> > two products?
>> 
>> Please, post any opinions to the net.  I, and I'm sure a lot of other people,
>> would be interested in hearing opinions on the differences between BC and MSC.
>> Just about all I know about these 2 products is the features each has: the
>> biggest feature difference is that BC 3.1 has templates, and MSC 7.0 does not.
>> Otherwise, the list of development utilities seems comparable: both have
>> integrated environments.  BC's is Windows-based; MSC's can be run from Windows,
>> but seems to be character-video only.  Both have Windows development class
>> libraries, but I've heard that MSC's is not as "thick" a layer as BC's.  Both
>> have source/class browsers, and execution profilers, as well as the standard
>> debuggers, assemblers, etc.  Both have register parameter-passing, but only
>> MSC has a p-code generating option.
>> 
>> However, not having really used either product, I can't say how WELL each one
>> does what it does.  That's what I'd like other yoosers' opinions on.
>
>I got two replies via email to my origional question.  ( thanks to the two people
>who replied).  One was a Borland user, and was generally happy with 
>Borland's product.  The other was a Microsoft user who said he would not
>reccomment the microsoft compiler because of serious bugs in microsoft's
>class libraries.
>
>Ken
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From: anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Visual Basic Dbase toolkit
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:08:59 GMT

In article <92224.160050U55870@uicvm.uic.edu> David James Alexander Hanley <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Date: Tuesday, 11 Aug 1992 16:00:50 CDT
>From: David James Alexander Hanley <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
>Subject: Visual Basic Dbase toolkit

>  I'd like to write visual basic programs that will have the ability to
>minipulate, extract information from, and create DBASE compatible files.  Not
>wanting to do it all myself( I have no clue how dbase files are formatted ),
>is there a DBASE comptible toolkit that I could get that wild simplify the
>process for me?  Failing that how could I find out about the format?  Or could
>I possibly link in a C toolkit that would do the job for me?

>  Thanks.  Any help would be appreciated.

>DAVE!


I've used the Q&E Libraries from Pioneer Software.  Lets you access DBASE 
files as though they were on an SQL server.  It does work.  Nice thing is 
that you can switch your application from DBASE to SQL servers (Sybase, 
Oracle, OS/2, even text files) and it all "works".	

On the down side, the interface to VB is kind of fishy.  Takes considerable 
code to really make it a nice interface.	

So --- you might want to take a look at this if you don't find anything else.

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From: stevesi@microsoft.com (Steven Sinofsky)
Subject: Re: borland c++ and microsoft c/c++
Date: 11 Aug 92 19:51:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

This is correct.  The Borland DDVTs extension is a non-standard compiler
extension currently supported only by BCC.  

The Microsoft Foundation Classes (available with Microsoft C/C++ 7.0)
are compiler independent.  Borland has published a memo on how to use
MFC with BCC, and several other compiler vendors have announced that
they will license MFC for their Windows compilers.

In article <1992Aug10.171802.18367@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> feldman@toklas.enet.dec.com (Gary Feldman) writes:
>I'm just starting to look at compilers and windows programming (for myself).
>One thing that struck me was that Borland appears to have added a non-standard 
>C++ extension, to bind messages to member functions (the "= [WM_FIRST + mesage]"
>construct).  It seems like a nifty idea, but if you use it, doesn't it lock
>you into buying compilers from Borland?  
>
>As I said, I'm just getting started, and it's difficult making my way through
>all the documentation.  So it's possible I've got this wrong.
>
>   Gary


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