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From: stone@bradley.bradley.edu (Steve Stone)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Internet books: read them & get answers
Summary: buy these books!
Keywords: internet books guides aides questions answers
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:18:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

There are several new books out about the Internet, which will answer
_a lot_ of questions for you about what is on the Internet & how to 
find stuff you are interested in. I suggest that you buy at least one 
of these, whether you are a director of computing services or an Internet
neophyte. If you can't afford that, suggest them to your librarians.

Zen and the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide to the Internet
by Brendan P. Kehoe
approx. cost $22
to order, phone (515) 284-6751

	I liked Zen 1.0 that is still available via ftp. 
	Version 2.0 is available in bookstores. Good first book.

Whole Internet Catalog & User's Guide
by Ed Krol
approx. cost $35??
to order call 1-800-998-9938

	Could be a first book, but probably better for someone who has
	used the Internet some. This book would be useful for anyone due 
	to its short, but thorough catalog section of some of the things 
	available on the Internet, grouped by subject. 
	Also has a 8-page section listing about 30 different companies
	that will sell you Internet access.

The User's Directory of Computer Networks,
by Tracy L. LaQuey, ed.
unk cost
unk order info.

For those of you who like to see reviews before you buy, here
are some citations from:

Cumulative Index to The Public-Access Computer Systems Review
                    By Charles W. Bailey, Jr.


To retrieve an article, send an e-mail message to
LISTSERV@UHUPVM1 (BITNET) or LISTSERV@UHUPVM1.UH.EDU (Internet)
that contains the GET command shown after the article's citation.


Barron, Billy.  Review of Zen and the Art of the Internet: A
Beginner's Guide to the Internet, by Brendan P. Kehoe.  In The
Public-Access Computer Systems Review 3, no. 1 (1992): 57-59.
GET BARRON PRV3N1 F=MAIL.

Cook, Dave.  Review of The User's Directory of Computer Networks,
by Tracy L. LaQuey, ed.  In The Public-Access Computer Systems
Review  2, no. 1 (1991): 177-181.  GET COOK PRV2N1 F=MAIL.

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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Justification for commercial access to INTERNET facilities?
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:55:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

>Now I'll have a little demonstration.  The direct Internet path between
>your machine and mine crosses *no* federally subsidized long-haul
>network.  Not one.  

Point well taken.  Some of these sites are government subsidized by
tax preferences to donors for charitable contributions to their host
organizations -- but you're right -- at least this path is more or
less free of direct government funding.
From: bpn@po.CWRU.Edu (Brian Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: freenet
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:52:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62102.student.cwru.edu

In article <1em1buINNbp9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark D. Rabinowitz) writes:
>From: bp979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark D. Rabinowitz)
>Subject: Re: freenet
>Date: 21 Nov 1992 19:06:38 GMT
>
>  I have been able to get on the Cleveland Freenet from a gopher
>server without being asked for my University of Michigan account.
>It involved going through a series of menus to get from the U-M
>gopher ("um-gopherblue"--I forgot the telnet number) to the 
>Michigan State University gopher. The MSU gopher allowed me to
>telnet to the Cleveland Freenet. (I'll get the telnet number and
>the menus I went through in a message to be posted November 22
>or 23.) So getting on a freenet without being asked for some
>university or company account depends on what access you have to
>a "gopher server"--all the gophers are pretty much interconnec-
>ted, so anyone can get to the MSU or U-M gopher with the right
>sequence of menus.          -Mark Rabinowitz
>                             bp979@cleveland.freenet.edu
Nope. if you want access to Cleveland FreeNet, just telnet to freenet-in-a.
cwru.edu and apply for an account.

"So when I die, the first thing I will see in heaven is a score list?"
1st Law of Hacking:  leaving is much more difficult than entering.
2nd Law of Hacking:  first in, first out.
3rd Law of Hacking:  the last blow counts most.
4th Law of Hacking:  you will find the exit at the entrance.

Brian Nelson
bpn@po.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: TALK
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:58:30 GMT

Matthew A Appler (mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu) wrote:
: Telnet into the person's system....You will need their login and
: password to do this, but if they trust you enough......
 
 People here who are caught doing this lose their accounts.
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu

		Now where did I put the crackers & cheeze?
From: ferguson@wizard.etsu.edu (Jason M Ferguson)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Suggestions for FAQ
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:05:30 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@wizard.etsu.edu (Jason M Ferguson)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX


	I would like to make a suggestion for the maintenance
of the FAQ, which is posted every few weeks.
	I would like to suggest adding information on sending
mail to applelink and American Online to the FAQ.
	This is just a suggestion.


	Flames to /dev/null.
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: peten@iat.holonet.net (Pete Norton)
Subject: Re: Mailing Lists
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:02:00 GMT

srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
: My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask, but where can I
: find faq/info about starting up a Mailing List?  There is a burgeoning
: faction of Internet users in my graduate English program ... not enough to
: warrant a newsgroup, I don't imagine, but enough to make me wish we had an
: easier way to communicate as a group.
: 
: Thanks in advance,
: 
: Steven Rubio
: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu
: 
: 
: 

You get info in the first instance from your sysadmin at UC Berkeley.
No special Internet permission is needed.
SRI's NISC in Menlo Park has published a useful book called "INTERNET:
Mailing Lists". You might want to have a look at it.
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: hetlil@aix.rpi.edu (Leo J. Hetling)
Subject: Census Track Data
Followup-To: na
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: alt.internet.services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:55:42 GMT

Are the 1990 US census track data available anywere on the Internet.
If so, how does one access them.
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Glenn Popelka)
Subject: Re: Snail mail address for Queen of England?
Organization: University of Chicago  LASR
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:26:02 GMT

croley@r2d2.mcc.com (David Croley) writes:

> Heard her [the Queen of England's] house (Windsor Castle) is on fire...

figuratively speaking, perhaps...

glenn
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Justification for commercial access to INTERNET facilities?
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:56:13
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
	<Bxrxv2.JyB@world.std.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.116
In-reply-to: adamg@world.std.com's message of Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:21:02 GMT

adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin) writes:

> merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
>
> > What is the justification for allowing the connection of commercial
> > entities ... to the federally subsidized ... INTERNET ... ?

> ... as a taxpayer, I have to ask why I should not be
> allowed to use something my tax dollars have paid for?  If my government
> is pouring a lot of money into a network that provides such interesting
> and useful services as online libraries and databases, why should this be
> treated any differently than, say, a federal depository library?

I second that opinion.  The goverment exists to serve its citizens.
ARPAnet was the kind of forward-looking technology that the government
has a mandate to pursue (even create), especially when private
industry lacks the mechanisms for such long-term development.  But
such government-spawned technolgy SHOULD NOT REMAIN PURELY FOR THE USE
OF GOVERNMENT.
--
franl@centerline.com   || Fran Litterio, CenterLine Software R&D
617-498-3255           || 10 Fawcett St, Cambridge, MA, USA 02138-1110
"It's not the thing you fling, it's the fling itself."  -- Chris Stevens
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,alt.internet.access.wanted
From: agb001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: TALK
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:57:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.033233.9151@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, kotsines@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (KOTSINES  THOMAS ANT) writes:
> In article <1992Nov16.015830.24696@cs.uwp.edu> datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) writes:
>>Matthew A Appler (mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu) wrote:
>>: Telnet into the person's system....You will need their login and
>>: password to do this, but if they trust you enough......
>> 
>> People here who are caught doing this lose their accounts.
>>-- 
> I didnt follow the early part of this discussion, but you can type 
> "f @<site>" to get a list of who's currently logged onto that system, then
> "talk <person>@<site>" to get their attention, thus you never have to
> log onto any other system besides your own.
> 
> [/]
> 
>
Actually, there is a friend of mine that I cannot connect with in Talk, or
Talk/Old. And the Finger will not work on his connection (my system here
doesn't know his exists for some stupid reason). Anyway, I went and got an
account on the other computer system here at Drake since our SysAdmin didn't
have a clue as to why I couldn't contact him. (And yes, I did contact him about
it.) I found that for some reason the other system worked with that friend, but
screwed up another one of mine's. :) 
 
I guess you can't win them all of the time. :)

If there is another system there, try it. If not, then if you are at a BitNet
site, try SEND. Or try to use a program such as (what's that one weird command
that in Zork used to always come up with weird stuff?)...

Tony Bossaller
ParaPsykotic (DSW)
AGB001@acad.drake.edu

Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy)
Subject: Re: Satellite Weather Pictures
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
	<Bxq2ru.B30@gator.rn.com> <1992Nov17.151047.8321@siemens.co.at>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:33:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.151047.8321@siemens.co.at> pse533@siemens.co.at (Kurt
   Mayr) writes: 

   >Where can we get these images for North America?
   They're at vmd.cso.uiuc.edu. I can't remember the name of the directory that
   they are in now, but it was phil.515 ...

Try "cd WX" once you connect via ftp.

				- Pat
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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,can.general
From: marc@meadow.uucp (Marc Riehm)
Subject: Re: FREE worldwide network access in Canada??
Reply-To: marc@meadow.UUCP (Marc Riehm)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.182620.8614@mdd.comm.mot.com> zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) writes:
>In article <721627372.10712@zooid.guild.org> silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver) writes:
>>This makes perfect elegant sense! Everyone in Canada knows that Victoria,
>>Ninamo B.C., and Ottawa are the computing technical hubs of Canada! Just
>>imagine, after Mother Gov and Lord Of the Loon the great Muldoon, gets 
>>involved, hell we in the Toronto boonies might as well go back to quill 
>>Only in Canada, would about 37% of the taxpayers, and 80% of Canada's 
>>business (located within a 100 kilometer radius of Toronto) pay to 
>>have a national network that is setup starting in another province or
>>even worse, in Ottawa! I'm convinced, that people get exactly what they 
>>deserve when they're the ones who elect governments in the first place! 
>

Umm, from what I know, the freeNet is a non-profit organization, not part of
the government.  They may receive some funding (in the form of donations) from
the government, however.

I believe that freeNet is being organized on a trial basis in several cities.
If it is successful, it may spread to other cities.

Instead of whining "Gimme, gimme, gimme!", why don't you do something about
it: contact freeNet and find out when/how it could be set up in Toronto.

By the way, Ottawa is a large high-tech centre, with many software and hardware
developers.
-- 
Marc Riehm      Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
                2000 Argentia Road, Plaza 2, Suite 300
                Mississauga, Ont.   L5N 1V8
marc@meadow.UUCP
From: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram")
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Electronic Magazines available?
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:14:40 GMT
Organization: Darren Ingram Media Services
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)


In article <1992Nov11.190916.8537@sbcs.sunysb.edu> sbpress@csws20 writes:

>: :     Is there a source for free Electronic Magazines on Internet?  I have
>: : seen reference to a few on FIDO echos and thought there may be some on
>: : Internet.  I am looking for all subjects.  Thanks for any help.
>: : A. Hall

There is also Satnews, a fortnightly newsletter concerning satellite
technology and broadcasting on a worldwide basis.

e-mail listserv@orbital.demon.co.uk
first line of message:
subscribe satnews your_name



Darren
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From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: Re: TALK
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:19:37 GMT

Telnet into the person's system....You will need their login and
password to do this, but if they trust you enough......

  Matt
--
Matthew Appler - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
-----
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From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Future network
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:08:52 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

    Are there any plans to create a new network or modify the current one?
If I remember right, I read something in Popular Science about 9-10  months
ago.   It said the transfer speeds would be incresed significantly.
It mentioned that Congress was considering it.  Am I confused with something
else???
      I don't remember when it was from, otherwise I'd go look.. but if
anyone who knows what their talking about knows....           

				Dave

		


-- 
			     David Hahn
 		   University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
		         hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: sac@Apple.COM (Steve Cisler)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Congress email addresses?
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:04:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

speaker, a senior official from the Congressional Research Service,
discussed the kinds of automation equipment that the house, Senate,
and individual offices for each senator and rep. have chosen.

Because so many people on the net are always asking about email
addresses I posed that as a question: are the members of Congress going
to be reachable by email?

At present Congressional staff cannot handle the flow of paper and
telephone correspondence from constituents. It is particularly hard
for senators from large states like California. The speaker described
the mail room for Sen. Bradley of NJ.  In it were many pigeon holes
for the different issues and the correspondence coming in from
the voters. In the center of the room sat a woman at a computer
typing out draft responses that a staffer for that subject area would
okay. It sounded like something out of Dickens with the poor
letter writer drowning from the load.

The electorate is not particularly interested in seeingthe staff onthe
Hill increase, but that would have to happen if you also wanted to
open the Cong. offices to e-mail and fax.  As you may know fax numbers
for Congresspeople are not always published, and only a few people
have email to the outside.  The speaker also said there was anxiety
about NRA-type email campaigns that would cripple the system, no matter
how you sized it.

I think these are issues that Clinton and Gore will have to work out
in the next couple of years, given their support of telecommunications
infrastructure. How they will do it, I don't really know.

Steve Cisler


Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Poetry online.....
Organization: The World
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:20:55 GMT


>Anybody know of a site that has poetry online?  Thank you,

The Online Book Initiative, a project to provide freely
redistributable texts on-line, has some poetry (and wishes it had
more.)

Feel free to anonymous FTP to world.std.com and browse in directory
/obi/.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: jgrace@netcom.com (Joseph Grace)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Justification for commercial access to INTERNET facilities?
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:04:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov15.060322.22@cobra.dra.com> sean@cobra.dra.com writes:
>In article <1e5b1tINNgds@neuro.usc.edu>, merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
>> What is the justification for allowing the connection of commercial
>> entities with no appropriate federal contract/grant responsibilities
>> to the federally subsidized (either via direct tax revenues and/or
>> via tax preference subsidized private donations) INTERNET long haul
>> network transport media?  The INTERNET was originally constructed
>> for transport of military/government/academic code and data - with
>> provision for the connection of a few commercial entities with some
>> significant federal contract/grant responsibility & need for access.
>
>[1.  Money: ]It saves the government money.

2.  Obsolete Restrictions: The Internet *was* an experiment and as
such was limited to "military/government/academic" information, but
now it's a proven technology.  Therefore, experimentation restrictions
are no longer necessary.

3.  Inadequate Commercial Support: The commercial providers and
services haven't caught up with Internet capabilities yet.  Were the
government to pull the plug on commercial access, many hosts would
lose connectivity.

4.  Enforcement: Many hosts gain connectivity through m/g/a institutions, so
enforcement is hard.   Also, some *.com hosts work do gevernment work, so
that's how they got on Internet originally.  It is difficult to enforce a
fair and practical policy regarding occasional or ex-government contractors
("OK, Mr. President, here's a list of all the *.com hosts on Internet who
are no longer doing government contracting or sub-contracting as of 1/1/19XX.
Which ones do you think should be removed from the list?" ;-)  First you can't
judge whose going to win the contracts, and, second, I am not sure such a list
could actually be created!

5.  Leverage and coordination: The Internet is a form of national
infrastructure.  It may be appropriate for government to promote
commercial use of the Internet.  This view emphasizes a "see the
forest (not the trees)" approach to Internet.  Ask V.P. elect Gore
on this one.

That's just off the top of my head.

Cheers,

= Joe =
From: stone@bradley.bradley.edu (Steve Stone)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Future network
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:58:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <Nov.17.10.59.31.1992.6109@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn) writes:

>>    Are there any plans to create a new network or modify the current one?
>>If I remember right, I read something in Popular Science about 9-10  months
>>ago.   It said the transfer speeds would be incresed significantly.
>>It mentioned that Congress was considering it.  Am I confused with something
>>else???

>Maybe you're referring to NREN?  Send me e-mail to remind me and I'll
>send you some info on it.

>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu)

I think he is referring to the gigabit backbone for the Internet/NREN.
It is already being tested between some supercomputing sites.

I don't know where to find more info., but I would guess you could
point your WAIS at internet-documents.src, or ietf-docs.src or
netinfo.src or netinfo-docs.src and start finding some things
that have been put out by the Internet Engineering Task Force. 
-- 
Steven A. Stone 			Bradley University  
Electronic Services Librarian		Peoria, Illinois 61625
stone@bradley.bradley.edu 		(309) 677-2839
From: jmilikow@csa.bu.edu (jeremy milikow)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: World wide weather archive?
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:21:59 GMT
Distribution: alt.internet.services
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department


 Does any one know of an archive containing data on world wide weather
patterns. I'm most interested in the Middle East. Thanks.
From: dbeachle@teal.csn.org (Dave Beachley)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: THX on Boston Telnet Info
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:02:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Thanks to all of you who responded to my request re:
telnet access while in Boston during Dec.  Ah, the wonders
of the Net!!
Dave Beachley
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Communications of the ACM
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:26:58 GMT
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University

Indeed ACM has always lagged in its own application of computer technology.
For example, the American Mathematical Society has always been far ahead
of ACM.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
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