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From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Rear-facing carseats
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:07:59 GMT

In article <92239.47490.L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>I have a question.....
>
>I've noticed a lot of people talking about rear-facing carseats being put
>in the back seat.  Doesn't anybody worry that if they're driving the car
>alone, and the baby is in the back seat, facing the opposite direction, that
>they might not see something potentially dangerous occuring (like choking,
>etc.)?
>
>With my first child, I kept him in the front seat until he was in a forward
>facing carseat.  Is this significantly more dangerous than my above worry?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Kelly

Boy, Kelly, is this going to generate traffic!  I remember a discussion on
this subject about a year or so ago which lasted for a few months, however,
I think maybe it needs repeating.

The reason the experts say to put the child in the middle of the rear seat
is that is the safest place in the event of an accident (car accident).
To prevent choking, don't give the child anything to choke on! (if possible!)
However, some people prefer to have the child within reach and put them
in the front passenger seat.  Some people have two-door cars where putting
them in the back is extremely inconvenient, if not nearly impossible.  And,
some people don't even have back seats!

Since the odds of getting into an accident are much greater than the odds
of choking (especially if the child doesn't have anything to choke on),
and you can put your child in the middle back, then by all means DO SO.
However, if you can't, don't.

For everyone's information...in my Mustang, the car seat is in the front
passenger seat...in our Voyager, Brian's car seat is in the middle middle
and Michael's car seat is the drivers side middle. (we took the back seat
and put it in the middle place; the middle seat is in our living room!)
We almost always drive the Voyager, but if I have to go somewhere during
the day, of course, I take my own car as Jack drives the Voyager and
Brian to day care.  I take Michael out about once a week, if that often,
so the risk to him is minimal.


Jennifer
From: lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:46:53 GMT
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ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS put them in the car seat and always remember to
firmly secure the seat in the car.  Remember the man in Massachusetts
that left his son in the car seat on top of his car?  Lucky for them
nothing serious happened.

I also have a friend with a child that has hated the car seat since day
one, but she just turns up the radio now:-)  She has had a lot of success
scheduling her travel to when the baby is hungry that way she can keep
her baby quiet with a bottle.

I know these little darlings can be trying on the nerves at times, but
safety should always take precedence.


Just my opinion....

Lynne
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Ultrasounds
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:23:54 GMT


Hi All,

     Recently I've heard a "rumor" that ultrasounds may be dangerous to a
developing fetus.  Has anyone else heard anything about this, or has any
studies been done ?

     Thanks for any info that you might have.


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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:05:25 GMT
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 <bandor.714703111@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au> <17ftr2INN1dq@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
Organization: University of Maine System

From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)

=Yes, of course I would. But I believe I am giving good things to my
c=hildren. I am trying to teach them values that they can build a happy
=sucessful life on. Values like caring for other people, not being self
=centered, respecting the environment, being honest. As a basis for
=that I am also trying to teach them what I believe about the world.
=Please, if you think I'm hurting my children as much as giving them
=LSD, tell me how. But please don't make vague, generalisations about me.

and herein lies the problem: you don't need christianity to teach kids
values to live by!  do you really think that only christians care
for other people, respect the environment, and are honest?  one can be
a decent person without subscribing to the theistic paradigm.  granted,
it is a touch harder when you are an agnostic to asnwer such questions
as "where do we go when we die?" (i usually say that some people think
this, and some people think that, and some peopel think this other
thing, but nobody really knows), but i'll still stick with it...

and, to the jerk who sent me email, i am NOT a discredit to my
university, i am NOT confused, and, surprisingly enough, i am
NOT leading a miserable life.  i dislike christianity and baked
beans, and manage somehow to live quite nicely without either one.

                                              -ailsa
From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Teaching Superstition     was God's Family Values
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:33:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


I am very interested in the long term effects of teaching superstitions
to young children.  Superstitions are not confined to religious 
indoctrination, of course, but that is the area in which they seem to 
find the most common expression in this culture.

For example, when I was growing up, I "learned" that angels were 
watching me to make sure that I was always good, and that God
would hold me accountable in some future judgment day for 
everything I did.

I distinctly remember a kind of gnawing guilt and fear associated with
this belief, and related nightmares.

An atheistic mother I know is convinced that teaching superstition
to children really messes up their brains.  She sees it as akin to
training them to ignore the evidence of their own senses, with
far-reaching consequences in adulthood.  I know from personal
experience that most people who are raised as Catholics usually "believe 
in God" no matter how far they may stray from the Church.  

But on the other hand, another friend of mine believes that children
who are not indoctrinated in some conventional religion are easy
pray for Moonie or Krishna cults.  

What is a parent to do?


--Al Date
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:38:50 GMT

First, thanks to all who sent me furniture suggestions. I only thanked a few
people individually. 

Now, I am pretty confused about this. Is an employer sponsered Dependent Care
Account the only way to deduct childcare expenses? What is the childcare
credit? My employer has no DCA program right now. Should I press the benefits
manager to start one? It sounds like a really good idea. Why would a company
not want to have such a program? Wow, the account is deducted even before
FICA is withheld. Any and all information would be welcome.

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: sj@silma.com (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: crib-to-bed question
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:15:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silma Inc

Now that Daniel is finally in a bed, I have a question.
What do you all do for mattress protectors?  Do you use
the same ones as you used for the crib?  If so, do you
put them under the sheet and figure you sacrifice the
sheet?

I see One Step Ahead has one for $28.  Pricey, but they say
it holds 6 cups of liquid!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tran@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com (Tien Tran)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls	
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations Division, Palo Alto
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:26:07 GMT

I overheard something interesting while shopping over the weekend.  A young
boy was looking at some toy irons on display.

Boy:  Can I get one, Daddy?
Dad:  No!
Boy:  Why not?  It's only a toy.
Dad:  Yeah, but only girls iron.  Those are girls' toys.
Boy:  Oh, really?  I didn't know that.

Neither did I (only girls iron, that is) !!!

Tien
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:21:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.185918.13996@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>One woman I'd talked to had her som get seriously ill, so his grandma
>came to care for him for two months.  And she wasn't allowed to 
>break out of the plan, so she had to pay for 2 months of unused daycare.
>-- 
But couldn't you use the money to "pay" for his grandma to care for him?
I thought that housekeeper services for medical care was one of the things
that qualified...

Jennifer
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, PLEASE READ! Please help!
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:37:02

In article <4310196@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:

   At 10 months, shouldn't your son be eating some solid foods (rice cereal, 
   at least)? 

Not necessarily.  My son was almost a year old before he was eating
significant amounts of solids.  This is not unusual;  I know of
numerous other kids (mostly boys, I don't know why) who were the same.
When Will was six months old, I was so excited about starting solids.
Every day I'd prepare some cereal or fruit and try to feed it to him,
and every day he just wasn't interested.  With a second child, I'd
wait until the child showed interest (which could be at 11 months or
could be at three months).

-- Anne
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:48:00 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

...sigh... This argument against large families gets a little old. We have
two kids, and we're aiming for at least four, possibly more. We know 
several families with four, five and up to ten kids, and they are the
closest families I've ever seen. The older kids love to take care of
the younger, and the parents spend lots of time individually and
collectively. I realize that all people are saying is "I don't see
how it can be done...". It involves sacrifice on the part of the parents,
but it can be done. If y'all don't want six or twelve kids, that's fine.
Please don't assume that parents of large families are irresponsible
or that their kids are deprived. 


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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:48:50 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Aug26.130954.121357@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, maw2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHELE A. WHITE) writes:
...
|> After recently moving into a new neighborhood, I have learned that one of the
|> neighbors owns a dog that is part pitbull.  The neighborhood is very small and
|> consists of 8 children under the age of four.  My son is 1YO.
|> 
   [description of how dangerous and unrestrained the dog is omitted]
|>
|> I am in a panic state for my son (especially as he is growing up) along with
|> the rest of the kids on the block. Is there a way to assure our kids safety?
|> Am I overreacting?  If it's part pitbull - is it less dangerous??

The fact that it's a pit bull is utterly beside the point. When bred and 
raised properly, pit bulls are as fine as any other dog with children. 
It's being only part pit bull is inconsequential.

It certainly doesn't sound as though this dog is cared for properly, so 
it's doubtful that it's been raised properly, either. It could be quite 
dangerous. Unfortunately, it's not too easy to prove that a dog is 
dangerous BEFORE it does something horrible.

What can you do? You could at least make sure that the dog is cared for 
AND restrained properly. Are there any laws that require a dog to be 
provided with things that it obviously is not, such as shade?

Unrestrained dogs can be deadly, so I don't think your reaction is 
inappropriate. I would be afraid to allow my child out alone in a 
neighborhood  with unrestrained dogs. Of course, this could be ANY neighborhood--dogs are pretty mobile, especially the feral ones that 
run in packs, all too common even in the city since people just don't 
get their animals spayed or altered as they should. 

You will be safest if you (1) get a good fence around your house--I've 
never known a dog to jump or dig under a fence to get INTO somebody's 
yard, just to get out of their own and (2) teach your children to never 
approach a strange dog. Most dogs attack because they feel threatened--
as when a child goes up to pat the "nice doggy" and invades its space.
This is true even of the worst dogs, generally.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
_________________________________________________________________________
The Republican platform calls for the extension of the 14th amendment to
 "unborn children." Saving the life of a woman with an ectopic pregnancy
would thus require deliberate murder of the embryo--which the state could
   not possibly then allow. About 1% of U.S. pregnancies are ectopic.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Picturing the big event
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  Another friend took pictures of his wife's cesarean and
>  the pictures are in the baby's first photo album.

I thought we were the only ones!  Carrie's album starts with her sonogram,
then continues with a picture of the doctor pulling her head out of
the incision. Next comes a great crotch shot (I'll save that one for
future boyfriends :-), followed by a whole body shot with the cord still
attached and going into my belly.  Then we get slightly more conventional
with a picture of her on the scale, then one in my arms (with me still
on the operating table), and her first bath.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 2.5 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Sep1.175933.24905@ntmtv> <1992Sep1.222114.12255@cco.caltech.edu>
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:40:41

In article <1992Sep1.222114.12255@cco.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:

   In article <1992Sep1.175933.24905@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.bnr.ca (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
   >|> 

   >I'm not sure who is hardest on mothers who have drugs, and/or c-sections
   >during their birthing, women who have not experienced labor, women who
   >*have* experienced labor, and refused/did not require intervention, men,
   >doctors, or the mothers themselves.

   I have my own feelings about the answer to this.  Every so often,
   a smug posting appears from someone who had either a wonderfully easy
   delivery or a difficult labor that they toughed out without drugs.
   These letters typically extoll the virtues of unmedicated deliveries and
   the worst of them go on to say that more women could do it IF THEY REALLY
   WANTED TO.  I find this attitude absolutely infuriating, worse than
   anything else I've encountered in this regard. 

I guess I owe you guys an apology, then, because I recently posted
something just like that.  I obviously expressed myself badly though,
if you concluded from my belief that more women *could* have an 
unmedicated delivery if they really wanted to, that I meant that more
women ought to really want to.  Not at all.  I was aiming the post at
the women who *do* want to avoid medication, and there are plenty of
us.  

-- Anne
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:18:00 GMT

In article <eaa-010992102358@smac-eaa.doc.ic.ac.uk>
eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:
>On reading various responses to Justin's birth story, some people have said
>that they felt they "missed out" on the experience of giving birth by
>having C-sections or epidurals...
 
>It was only a few weeks later that, when my health visitor visited, she
>asked about the birth and then asked if I felt I had "missed out".  Until
>then, it had never occurred to me.  Since then, I have thought about it a
>lot.
>... I was too far advanced to have any pain relief.  I'm not hugely brave
>and would not like to anticipate giving birth without knowing help is
>available if I couldn't cope.  Or is it really that important?  Isn't
>having the child in your arms afterwards fulfilling enough, however they
>made their entry into the world?
 
  I have SO many regrets about the birth experience (my second child) after
reading some of the labor stories on the net.
  I had contractions every five minutes up until the pushing stage.  I MISSED
TRANSITION!
  I had the sensation of having sat in Jalapeno dip for about two weeks and
MISSED THE REST I GOT AFTER MY (previous) C-SECTION!
  Knowing how unattractive it is to lie outstretched on a bed with my legs
spread in front of an audience, I MISSED HAVING THE WHOLE THING ON VIDEO (or
at least some snaphots of my performance)!
  I had a fetal monitor for both births.  I MISSED ARGUING WITH THE DOCTOR
ABOUT IT (I was too busy concentrating on my breathing)!
  What I didn't miss was having two healthy babies come out - and start our
lives as a family.
 
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
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 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
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From: jws@hp835.mitek.com (Jeanetha Wemken)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:46:54 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

In article <1992Sep3.140415.21359@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>: (Diane Lin) writes:
>: 
>: Yep me too, notes ...but now I wish we had videotaped the whole thing
>: because right now, (7 months later) I would just LOVE to watch it.  
>: (And before I always thought videoptaping a birth was weird).
>
>
>I also wish I had videotaped the whole thing.  Is there anyone out
>there who has?  I have yet to meet anyone who has done this.
>
>Catharine
> 

We did.  Well, actually Wayne (my husband) set the tripod up to the
right and above my right shoulder, and taped the whole event...
Since Laura Jean was his first, and maybe only, child (infertility),
but she was my second child (so I had been through the process once
before, albeit 17 years earlier), I wasn't real sure I wanted it on
video tape, however Wayne was positive that he wanted it on tape.
The camera angle ended up being almost discrete.

I have only watched the tape twice, once with my parents (who do not
live close enough to make it here for the event) and once with a 
very close friend of the family (female).  I cried (joyously) when
I watched it with my parents, and was terribly embarrassed when I
watched it with my friend.  I would like to watch it sometime...
alone just to revel in the emotions that are stired.  I remember
very well the joy I felt when my daughter was born and it is alot
like the joy I feel when I check in on her at night while she is
sleeping in her bed, or when she kisses me goodbye in the mornings
as I go off to work.


Jeanetha - Mom to Gregg(19) and Laura Jean(2)
Software Engineer for OpenConnect Systems, Inc.  Carrollton, Tx
jws@hp835.oc.com
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Announcement
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:44:13 GMT
Reply-To: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

I did a home test over the weekend and it looks like #2 is on the way :-)

My due date should be about May 6th!  Ryan will be a big brother at 25 months.

Thought you would all like to know!

-- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan 16.5 months and ?? -36 weeks)

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From: csh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Cynthia Howard)
Subject: C-section preparation [was Re: Justin's Birth Story]
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.151223.7259@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

>
>We covered sections in our Bradley classes and were reasonably well-
>prepared.  Have other Bradley Moms had similar experiences?
>

Sections were not covered at all in our Bradley classes.  So we took a
separate C-section class at the local hospital.  We saw a video, a nurse
described the C-section process and a couple of the women in the class
described their experiences.  The class included a one-hour
discussion with an anesthesiologist who carefully described all of the
anesthesia options (spinal v. epidural v. general) and cheerfully answered
all of our questions.  That alone was worth the price of admission.

As it turned out, I didn't need a C-section, but I'm very glad I took
the extra class and would encourage others to check with their local hospitals
for similar programs.

Cindy Stotts Howard


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