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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: UW news
Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:55:41 GMT

   Rory Lee, one of the significant members of Barry Alvarez's first recruiting
   class, will be transferring from Wisconsin because of a lack of playing time.
   Lee, who is talking with Western Illinois, was in only one offensive play
   last year. The big-time RB recruits of the past couple years simply pushed
   him out.

   Alvarez was slightly concerned after the freshmen-only practices ended
   Wednesday. "For the most part, I think they're in reasonable shape," he
   said. "I don't think any of them are in tremendous shape." He added that
   he thought that would change (naturally) in the coming years.

   Freshman John Rohde of Oswego, Ill. is quite literally the big man on
   campus. The Super Prep all-midwest selection who squats 550 lbs. and has
   a 29-inch verticle came in at 6-6, 350. 

   --salty
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Which would you choose??
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:07:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug14.180708.24883
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>  
>
>Which team is Washington's big rival anyway?  Do you have a hate/hate
>relationship with any team on the same (low) level as the Auburn-Alabama,
>Texas A&M-Texas, Ga-Tech-Ga, etc. rivalries??

Why Mr. Swanger, that would be Washington State, of course.  The Husky 
Cougar battles in the Apple Cup are legends around these parts, but I suppose
that the Apple Cup is a poor victim of the vicious ECMB.

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Truth is a statue, and you are all just 
University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: jeff@ai0.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: was BYU Status
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
	<1992Aug18.194918.9674@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <14568@borg.cs.unc.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:42:18 GMT


>2. Steve Clements. Redshirt sophomore transfer from Texas.  Yes, another
>   QB from Texas.  (He probably transferred so he wouldn't have his arms
>   ripped out by A&M. :-))
TO A&M's WRECKING CREW: Anyone care for a Shea-Morenz wing or drumstick?
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           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas       
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From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:00:17 GMT
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> I don't know about him being a lock for all conference.  Isn't that Z-guy
> at Purdue a nosetackle?

Yeah, that's true.  Zgogina may take it instead.

By the way, I just got the Buckeyes' media guide for 1992, and the only
DB that they're featuring in there is Roger Harper (Chico Nelson was the
Buckeye DB who received 4 points in this poll).  Apparently more than one
person is casting Heisman votes for a DB that doesn't seem to be even the
best on his own team.  Yeesh.

Also, Jason Simmons didn't receive a vote.  (He's the OLB who set the
school record for sacks while playing part time last year.)  I'm not
saying that anyone should be casting Heisman votes for linebackers; the
point is that he would be a far less ridiculous coice than many OSU
players who DID receive votes in this poll.

So... not only were Buckeye faithful voting with their hearts rather
than with their brains; they weren't particularly familiar with their
own team.  Grumble.
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Another Geography Alert
Date: 13 Aug 1992 05:29:19 GMT
Organization: Lone Star Yellowjackets

In article <1992Aug12.135605.15861@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:

>Right on Bill don't take any crap from anyone. OU has a storied tradition of
>success between the goal posts and will be winners again well before that
>little ole technical college in the Okeefenokee swamp. The real reason the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmm John.  Where are you talking about?  I don't know of any technical
college with a division I football program within a 3 hour drive of
the Okeefenokee swamp.  Now if you said "nestled in the foothills
leading to the scenic mountains of beautiful North Georgia" or "along
the banks of the historical (and smelly) Chattohoochee River" I might
have known where you were talking about :) :)

ObWoof:  Go Yellowjackets!

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Drugs have taught an entire generation of American kids the metric system."
                                -- P.J. O'Rourke
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Top 10 HB in '93 draft
Organization: University of Michigan
	<65723@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1992Aug19.150054.5058@makesys.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:45:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.150054.5058@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:

   Dream on Mark, the first time Bettis runs into the man mountain Ceaser O'Neal 6-8 380 lbs. 5.4/40
   ands gets KRUSHED he'll not be a factor as the Canes go on to romp ND on NYD at the Fiesta
   bowl for the MNC. Now where's my Alpha bits....


Excellent choice of words.  At 5.4/40 Bettis *would* have to decide to run
into the guy for O'Neal to ever lay his hands (or gut) on him.

Bill
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.170559.22934@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:

   > Greg Smith, NT        Ohio State           1 pt.

   Big Ten sack leader 1990, close to it in 1991.  A lock for all-conference,
   a shot at all-american.  But an NT for Heisman?  No way.

I don't know about him being a lock for all conference.  Isn't that Z-guy at
Purdue a nosetackle?  He seems to be getting as much press as anybody in the
conference comming into this year.  If you want to list Smith and Chris
Hutchinson at the same spot, the Hutch will also give him a run for his money
if he stays healthy.

Bill
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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: stevela@comm.mot.com (Steve Lay)
Subject: Illinois Football Schedule.	
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:57:18 GMT

Does anybody have or know where I can get the football schedule for the University of Illinois.

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lay

stevela@comm.mot.com
From: hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:37:41 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

In article <1992Aug12.232520.18947@javelin.sim.es.com>, dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com (Daina Pettit) writes:

> >                        
> I get a kick out of all the sour grapes on this topic.  Every complaint
> I've heard fails to mention that a couple of games into the 85 season, just
> a couple of games after winning the MNC, BYU thumped Washington 31-3.
> Washington was not locked into the Orange bowl and could have chosen to
> play BYU for the MNC, but passed on the Holiday Bowl because of lack of
> $prestige.  Any crying by them is just 'sour grapes'.
> 
> -- 
>   Daina Pettit  (801) 582-5847  dpettit@javelin.sim.es.com   
>   Evans & Sutherland  600 Komas Drive, SLC, UT  84108

How is the '85 season relevent to '84?  Using Diana's logic, one could say Washington was the best team in '84 because Washington destroyed BYU in '86, which the Huskies did.  I can't stand people who put weight on games played the following year.  College teams change, sometimes quite drastically, from season to season.  Your argument, Diana, shows your lack of wisdom.

-Brian  
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: KICKOFF CLASSIC- NCSU's GREAT CHANCE
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:43:07 GMT

>
>  If NCSU can beat Iowa in the Kickoff Classic, this win could propel NCSU
> into the top 25 for years to come. Finally NCSU gets a chance to be exposed
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  highly unlikely.  that honor comes from having good teams year in and year
  out.



> completely to the nation without having to compete with a Miami vs. Nebraska
> Orange Bowl, or the Rose Bowl like during January. It is the ONLY game in 
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> August. I myself will be at the game personally to witness a truly pivotal
  ^^^^^^
  I beleive that it is the SECOND game in August.  Stanford vs A&M on the
  26th.




> game. I would like to read the opinions of any Iowa or NCSU students about
> the game coming up. If NCSU beats Iowa by more than a touchdown, we have a
> chance to knock off Florida State. No question. If we lose, it will be a good
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  With a little team confidence, you would have a chance either way.  One
  game doesn't a season make.



> experience.
>
> By the way, NCSU was #26 in the polling for the top 25. No respect.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  It's not the pre-season poll that counts, it's the one(s) that come out
  in early January!!!


  Just don't crater if NCSU loses the Kickoff Classic, everyone craters
  every now and then...  :-)

cmuck

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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: AGGIE-TIGER Blabs (was Re: Schedule determines #1)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:32:37 GMT

J.J. writes:
>>Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith writes
>>James writes:
>>+ >Let us have a Cardinal for dinner, first. Did I say "for" dinner? I meant
>>+ >AS dinner. Then we can have a tiger for a lite snack.

>>+ Did you mean "for" a lite snack, or AS a lite snack?

>Hardy. Harr. Harr. ;)
...
>Let the games begin!!!!!!!!

Did you mean let the "games" begin, or let the FEAST begin?


>*************************************************************************
>GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!      | "That haircut of yours might be city-style,
>GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
>James Clyde     LSU '91   |             -- Briscoe Darlin, T.A.G.S.

- goober (tigers bleaux :) smith
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Heisman Criteria
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

TD>I am curious what the informed (well, at least interested) public
TD>feels about certain issues related to the Heisman Trophey.

TD>What kinds of things do the voters use to determine their top
TD>candidates?

1)  Position, must be a RB, WR, or QB.
2)  Hype
3)  Hype
4)  Hype
5)  Hype
6)  Hype
7)  Hype
8)  Hype
9)  Statistics
10) Talent


Take Casey Weldon last year for example. He was a good player, but not
even close to being the best player on his team, Florida State.
However, he had constant media coverage and played the right position.

It is interesting how certain players are propped up as potential Heisman
winners. Peter Tom Willis was the QB at Florida State for the '88 and
'89 seasons. He had better statistics, and a better won loss record than
Weldon, but was never mentioned for the Heisman trophy.


TD>Secondly, What do you feel the award should be based on?


Nothing. It should be abolished because it emphasizes individualism
in a team sport.

                                       Al
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Subject: Lou Holtz stuff
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:03:20 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Anyone hear anything about an allegedly defamatory book on Lou Holtz
due out soon? I've heard that ND is so upset by the book that it has
retained the Dilenschneider Group tp put a spin on the story.

Some quips from Lou Holtz's press conference yesterday:

  On what makes fullback and Heisman Trophy candidate so good: "He runs
  far... and fast."

  On the unsettled tailback position: "I am not concerned in the least
  about going into a footabll season with an unknown tailback. I'm greatly
  concerned about coming out of a season with an unknown tailback."

  On tailback candidate Willie Clark: "I don't think there's any doubt
  he can make some big plays. Hopefully, most of them will be for us."

  On whether he prefers playing a game against Northwestern before the
  Irish play Michigan: "I would prefer not to play Michigan."

My pick for MNC - ND of course.
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Mike Cornwall               |     GO IRISH !
mike@spss.com               |
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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: NOTRE DAME INVESTIGATION!!!
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 14:47:02 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

I just heard on CNN that Notre Dame is being looked into by the
NCAA for violations concerning linebacker Demetrius DeBose(sp?)...
It was about $5000 that he was given by a couple from Seatle
that were connected to the school......

				Marty

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From: atchison@lagoon.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: Buckeye News
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.122754.1@pa621a.inland.com> copus@pa621a.inland.com writes:

>I heard yesterday from a friend of mine who lives in Columbus that
>the freshman running back from Massillon, Travis McGuire, was moved
>to defensive back.  As one might expect we reportedly is not happy
>about that.  Do you know anything about that move?

This is true.  Apparently, McGuire was so upset about the switch that he has
been AWOL from the last 2 practices.  This is a real shame.  I thought both
McGuire and Eddie George looked phenomonal at TB in the Spring game, especially
for rookies.  

Incidentally, George has been moved to fullback.  This is probably so that they
can get him on the field with Robert Smith and/or Raymont Harris (#1/#2 
upperclassmen TB's).  He really looked good in the Spring game, and he was
_big_.  He may contribute some valuable minutes at FB (if he can block).

>I also heard that the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that the
>starting QB for the Louisville game will be Herbstreit.  Stablein was
>reported as saying that Herbstreit threw every day during the summer
>and is throwing the ball as well as any quarterback in the country and
>therefore should be the starter.  I also understand that Stablein and
>Herbstreit are close friends and unless Kirk has improved a lot 
>by hard work during the off season I can imagine him throwing that
>well.

Yep.  Herbstreit has been named the starter.  IMO, this is a good move.  Unless
the underclassman (Hoying) is _clearly_ ahead of the senior (Herbstreit), the
nod has to go to the senior.  And let's face it, the Bucks don't need Dan
Marino back there, just somebody who can throw 10-15 yard in's and out's, and
an occasional dump to the TE.  Herbstreit gives you that, plus senior 
leadership (he was named captain before he was named a starter), almost a year
of experience, and a pretty hellacious athlete under center.  It's also a
welcome change to not have the starting QB secret up until kick off again.

Later... GO BUCKS!
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
            Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		The plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: My SEC Predictions
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:08:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.165445.3233@b11.b11.ingr.com> jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>
>Watch out for:
>
>Vandy - came within 2 feet of beating Auburn which would have given them a
>winning season.  DiNardo currently has the team in a 'boot camp', which was
>littered with oranges and "45-0" painted on a scoreboard.

    And Bama opens with them in a couple of weeks.  It is at
Bryant-Denny stadium but that rarely seems to bother Vandy of late. 
It could be more "interesting" than I would like to think.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Net Trash on Bama & Miss. St.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:32:00 GMT
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Keywords: n

zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:


>You know, the last time I checked, a gun could kill someone, and a 
>credit card couldn't...  *smirk*

The gun was unloaded.   Students in the state of Florida do take guns to  
school.  It's called self-defense.  They sell 10,000 hand guns a month
in Miami.  After the student killing at Florida, the state  sold out of 
hand guns.  FSU had students killed by Bundy. The Miami-OverTown riot or
the LA riots are all the reason you need to take a gun with you.  BTW,
I had a gun that my father gave me when I went to school in Atlanta,
after my off-campus apt. was broken into two nights in a row.


>Not taking sides on this one, but am taking liberty of pointing out
>little oversights...   GROW UP PPL..  a sportswriter getting guff on
>Miami/Notre Dame or any of the other of the "big boys", will make 
>his career, kinda like getting photos of the President with a 12
>year old boy.  This crap goes on everywhere.

The press does report everyone like today's Univ. of Maryland WR
Kevin Donnell Washington.  Kevin was arrested last Friday for
stolen check forgery and misdemeanor theft.  Kevin has been charged
with three counts forgery and 9 counts of theft.  Kevin also allegedly
stole credit cards from two students living in his campus building.

-----------

BTW Florida fans, UF's Monty " Steroids-Make-Me " Grow will learns today
if he is eligible for the 9/12  UF & Kentuckey game.  Grow was suspended
after last seasons first game having tested positive for a substance
banned by the NCAA. 

>The question is...
>How does each team deal with it.  Most of the "big boys" could afford
>kicking the kids butt off of the team, and just refill the scholarship
>on the next recruiting season.  So, what are the records for some of
>the "big boys" on the subject. 

Patton was told he would never play at Miami again.  So, he went back 
home to Texas.  Patton now plays for Texas A&I. 

They should make a NCAA rule with a NCAA suspension, or just let the law
deal with the problem.   The Big Boys should not have to live by any
rules the little boys don't.  I have more problems with schools that
cheats or allows steroids, than some school that has a kid that gets
arrested with DUI or theft.

>I haven't kept up with any of the
>Kevin Williams crap, cept for what has been said here.  I couldn't 
>care less about it (unless he came packing to the cotton bowl this
>year).   :-)

Kevin had all charges dropped, and will play this year.
From: tgrant@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Heisman Criteria
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:26:03 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute


Since Heisman talk is running rampent and the season has yet to begin,
I am curious what the informed (well, at least interested) public
feels about certain issues related to the Heisman Trophey.

What kinds of things do the voters use to determine their top
candidates?  For instance, would Trevor Cobb running behind that 
all impressive offensive line Rice has get the same considerations
a player on a team with a weak offense line gets.

Secondly, What do you feel the award should be based on?
(Is this opening Pandora's Box?)

TSG
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.185852.21318@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes...
#Timothy C Pitts writes:
#>Yale          1879-85   47    42-0-5   Princeton    6-5
# 
#Two run homer in the bottom of the ninth . . .

How about these scores:

1936 Cotton Bowl  TCU 3, LSU 2
1942 Cotton Bowl  Fordham 2, Missouri 0

The offensive might wielded by these four teams defies description!

I guess last year's Cotton Bowl represented a return to the ``Good Ole Days''.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schedule determines #1
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bsvs18.B9G@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes...
#      This has been hashed out over
#and over,

Indeed, it has!  But I have no pride, I'll engage this conversation yet
again.

#How did BYU manage to get a (6-5??) Michigan team instead of a higher ranked
#team?  Were they all locked into something else?

To some extent:
 Ranks are pre-bowl, * indicates locked into a bowl.
* #1 BYU was locked into the Holiday Bowl (which paid virtually nothing).
* #2 Oklahoma was locked into the Orange
* #3 Florida was on probation
  #4 Washington chose the Orange payout over the Holiday NC chance.
  #5 Nebraska chose the Sugar
* #6 Ohio State was locked into the Rose
  #7 South Carolina went to the Gator
  #8 Boston College chose the Cotton
  #9 Oklahoma State went to the Gator
 #10 SMU went to the Aloha
*#11 LSU was locked into the Sugar
 #17 Notre Dame went to the Aloha
*#18 Southern Cal locked into the Rose
Miami and UCLA (can't remember the ranks pre-bowl) faced off in the Fiesta.
Florida State went to the Citrus
Maryland and Tennessee in the Sun
Iowa to the Freedom 
Auburn to the Liberty
(I think those were the top 20)

#  If the bowl didn't invite
#a better team, it sounds like chicken all over again, if they invited better
#teams, but got turned down because of the weakness of BYU, then I guess the
#other 'stonger' teams got what they deserved.

I think this is what happened, though for reasons of money rather than of
strength of opponent.  I know the Holiday invited Washington, but
refused to increase the payout.  Washington chose the Orange for the money
and hoped that Michigan would dispatch BYU in the Holiday.  The other
contender for the NC was Oklahoma, who Washington beat.

There were plenty of better teams than Michigan, but none of them wanted to
play in the Holiday and/or they weren't invited.  Probably the best candidate
would have been #7 South Carolina (the Gator couldn't have paid much more
than the Holiday), but travel costs were probably the major difference.
#9 Oklahoma State and #10 SMU would also have been good opponents.

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Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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