HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:10:40 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1dn1s8INN6t5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>
>WRONG!!...that is what drivers ed is for..this is why they should be taught
>in sticks...after you learn to do it all in a stick..the autos are a piece
    ^^^^^^
Perhaps learning in cars would be a good idea :-)

>of cake!...going auto to stick is quite a traumatizing experience..much more
>so than going stick to auto.

How much more traumatic do you think it is to learn _from scratch_ using
a manual gearbox.  Many of us did just that and can vaguely remember, 
you however, didn't.  


-- 
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:48:53 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) says:

>In article <BxLDEI.6J7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
someone else said this..not me...just thought i'd clear that up in case anyone
emails anyone..
DREW


>>Audis are damn nice cars, but I honestly believe they are still being hurt by
>>that absurd Consumer Reports scandal a few years back.  Remember that:
>             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>"Audi 5000's have the tendency to accelerate unexpectedly if their pinhead
>>owners depress the wrong pedal while engaging Drive or Reverse"
>>
>>Also, Audi is not as much of a "status" name as BMW or Mercedes, and for many,
>>many people, a Subaru may just be enough; that seems to be THE dominant car
>>in places like Colorado and Montana.
>>-- 
>	_Consumer_Reports_ has a tendancy to favor one brand of cars over 
>another, and their pinhead readers have a tendancy to take them seriously.
>Why do they like Honda's so much, IMHO (I own one, and  have tested a few)
>All their models (save the old CRX Si) are grossly underpowered and grossly
>overpriced.  But my Civic DOES handle like a gem.
>-- 
>***RUSH***YES***FLOYD***PEARLJAM***METALLICA***STING***PAULSIMON***REM***U2***
>*  "We are going to have the best educated American people in the World!" ;-)*
>*   Vice President Dan Quayle  September 21, 1988 ;-)  Clinton 1996! ;-) ;-) *
>*******(c-amin1@uiuc.edu)***Chintan Amin***UniversityofIllinois***GoIllini****
>
-- 
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????-----whatever!
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.antique,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
From: cary@brahms.udel.edu (Cary J Spaulding)
Subject: 1955 THUNDERBIRD FOR SALE !!!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:18:16 GMT

FOR SALE:  1955 Thunderbird.  Snow shoe white.  Near show condition.  Hard
top convertible.  Comes with both hard and soft top.  Manual transmission.
Price negotiable.  Call Richard Spaulding at (908)462-1774 for details.
You can also contact me via email at:  cary@brahms.udel.edu
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <Nov05.024942.84051@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>>How is the rotory lubricated?  Does oil get into the fuel?
>
>Yes, by design, rotary engines burn oil.

   So do piston engines.  I dunno about other owners, but my rotary
   uses LESS oil than a Nissan Maxima when both are driven by me in
   the same manner.  

   Neither is as bad as a Jaguar or Porsche in consumption....or an
   old Ford or Chev.   

   Actually on a rotary, you need to get worried when oil
   consumption is too low, it means the seals aren't being lubed
   properly.
Organization: Mythos/Xcalbrin Inc.
X-School: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:04:20 EST
From: JJ Serowik <JJS158@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: BH 90210 screws Street Machiners!!!!

I realize probably none of you guys/gals watch this show, but I happened to
catch part of it on Wednsday night.  The one character was hyped to get into
a hit and run accident, where she got hit by a car.  Not only did she get hit
by a car, but she got hit by a street machine!!!!  I caught a glimpse of the
car before it hit her, It was your average street machine, I think it was
a 69 Silver/White? Chevelle with a hood scoop, dual exhaust, and mags!
Why do these shows always screw with street machines?  Why didn't she get
hit with a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry????  Did any of you people see the
show?  Am I right?  I realize that they were trying to make a point, but why do
they have to do bullshit like that?  It's shit like this that pisses me off,
because they give street machiners a bad rap.  I wish they wouldn't do this
shit all the time!!!,
                        Rob.

P.S. Damn right I'm mad!


Disclaimer-"It's not the account owners fault, he didn't do it"
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <lg5ebgINN1e8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill 
"Bill" Tuthill) writes:
> Anyway, what's the verdict on leather?  I've found cloth to be
> much more durable and comfortable than vinyl (or leatherette, as
> pseudo-luxury carmakers call it).  Leather furniture I've sat on
> in the past has always made me sweaty.  Are carseats different?
> Can leather be expected to outlast cloth?  How much maintenance
> does leather require?  I remember reading a thread a few months
> ago concerning leather treatment.  And I never even wash my car!

I like the leather in my car.  However unlike the Japanease cars,
the leather in the SHO is ventilated, and I don't find it to be
sticky or hot during the summer (my car is black with a black leather
interior).  I don't notice that I slide around on it much, but then again 
the seats on the SHO are recaro style, so I don't know if the luxury
cars would be similar in this regard.

I treat the leather once a month with Lexol, and that is about it for
maintenance; except when something gets spilled on it, I immediately
clean it up and treat the seat with Lexol again.

All in all I am quite pleased with my leather interior and would prefer
it over cloth or vinyl, and so would my wife, and a friend of mine who
owns a Porch with full leather interior.



Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Wanted: Tips on Driving a Manual
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:57:35 GMT

Now that the merits and weaknesses of automatics and manuals have been
established, I hope we can start a discussion (provided it's not a FAQ) on good
driving techniques using a manual.

In particular, I would like to know what I can do to make my driving more fun? 
(I drive a 5-spd Toyota Tercel, ie., no horsepower)

Thanks for all responses.

-Zak.
From: chsu@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Christine Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn SC 'quirks'
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:23:02 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


I'm not going to spend time going over all the good points of the
Saturn, since everyone else does, but I'm sure some people would
like to know some 'quirks' about the car... I don't know if these
things are limited to my own experience, since I haven't heard anyone
else complaining... If any of these sound familiar, could you 
post about it?  Don't get me wrong, I love my Saturn, but every
car has _some_ problems.

I bought a '92 Saturn SC, which is the basically the same as the 
'93 SC2.  I did have to take it for servicing a couple times,
once because part of one of the headlights was touching the hood
whenever I turned on the headlights, causing a loud noise to occur.

I had another problem with wind noise through the doors, but the
service department said that would be easily remedied by their
adjusting the doors.  I haven't taken my car in for that yet, so
I don't know how well it will work.

Other "quirks" that have bothered me:

  - I hear an occasional 'popping' sound from my car as if a small rock hit
    the windshield.  When it does happen, its usually when I'm 
    accelerating over a bump in the road.  I brought this up with 
    the service manager, and he said that because the panels are 
    plastic, they have a tendency to flex.  

  - When driving over particular uneven surfaces of the road, it feels
    like the car is "sliding" over the surface-- at those times, I 
    have to fight to hold the steering wheel steady.  The service
    manager explained that the car is fairly lightweight, so it 
    tends to follow the road crown closely.  He said there was nothing
    they could do about that, and that it shouldn't be a problem, as 
    long as I was aware of it and drove more carefully over those parts
    of the road.  I wasn't particularly happy with this solution, but
    I suppose its not really a big deal.
  
  - The engine noise is rather loud, compared to other sporty coupes 
    I've ridden in.  My guess is that the plastic panels don't insulate
    sound very well.  

  - If you are thinking about carrying passengers in the back seat a lot, 
    the SC is definitely not a good choice (or almost any other sporty
    coupe I've seen, for that matter) :) .  There is _very_ little
    leg room, which forces the people in the front seat to push their
    seat forward-- the person in the front seat ends up being practically
    strangled by their seat belt as a result...  Fortunately, I rarely
    have backseat passengers, so it hasn't been that much of a problem.


That's all I could think of-- any comments?


-Christine


--
Christine Hsu                               Hewlett-Packard Company
chsu@corp.hp.com  			    3000 Hanover St. M/S 20CG
(415) 857-8456				    Palo Alto, CA  94304  









  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:18:11 GMT



[Lots of shit deleted]

To Evan Leibovitch,

Sir, It appears that just because I like to enjoy driving my
fast & powerful car, you equate that with my being a boring
MACHO ASSHOLE! You seem to think that because I have an 
appreciation for fine machinery and a knowledge of how to 
use it, I can't enjoy life and have to continually bolster 
a fragile ego by showing off and passing everything on the street.

I resent that.

First of all, you don't know me or my personality. All that you
really know for sure about me is that I have a crusty sense of humor
and enjoy making fun of people's automotive attitudes. To top it off,
you seem to get the impression that I am a dangerous driver.

I resent that.

Were you to see me on the road, you wouldn't see the 'Torque Monger'
persona that I use on the net. I do not drag race from red light to 
red light, and I do not spin my wheels at every opportunity and run
over cyclists and pedestrians.

I drive that PONTIAC in a civilized way in traffic, but I wind up that 
tach when alone on twisty mountain and country roads, and have some
wonderful thrills! For me, a car is not a car if it resembles a toaster
in looks and function. I have owned automatics and econoboxes but there
was something missing. Would you buy a television set if you didn't like
the picture or the sound? Of course not! 

Andreas Tovornik (AKA Torque Monger) 

Newsgroups: rec.autos
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: got me a '90 miata - should i expect any problems?
From: rx80640@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com (Kris Eckols)
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:02:36 EST
Distribution: world,local

>  >I just bought a '90 miata with 38,000. I'm interested in any problems
> 
>>Is there anything that can be used to clean the rear window on the 
>>soft-top. The plastic is foggy and has some scratches in it. I wish Mazda
>>had put in a glass window!
> 

Meguire's has a plastic cleaner and polish. It has been talked
about in the Miata magazine. When I had a Fiat with a plastic rear
window, I found that STP Son-of-a-Gun did a good job of removing
the "haze." 
-- 
Kris Eckols                        |  "The most powerful instrument    
Lilly Research Labs                |   we have in our hand is the  
Indianapolis, Indiana              |   power of the mind."  
Internet: Eckols_T_Kris@Lilly.Com  |   Napolean Hill
From: earlyd@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Advice - 1984 Pontiac Sunbird
Keywords: Advice, Pontiac, Sunbird, 2000
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:56:13 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA


In article <1992Nov11.145816.28551@webo.dg.com>, bbarnhar@sauronwebo.dg.com (Brian Barnhart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.171831.23382@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>|> I drive an '83 2000 SE (Two-door hatchback)  I have not had too much trouble 
>|> with it except the cooling system.  make sure you get the radiator flushed 
>|> every two years and keep an eye on your thermostat.
>|> 
>
> I'll second the need to keep an eye on the cooling system.  I've never owned a 2000 but

Also, you might want to replace the cooling switch as soon as you get it, and never,
NEVER put a cheap thermostat in it.  I finally shelled out an extra $3 and bought 
what I thought was a better thermostat, and have had no problems since.

Dave Early
From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:34:09 GMT

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:

>>There's an interesting article on GM, with discussions of Saturn and
>>Olds, in the 9 Nov 92 issue of Time magazine (in the U.S. at least).
>>One fascinating tidbit: Saturns are priced *below* their burdened cost
>>in an effort to jump-start the market.  ("We lose money on every sale,
>>but we make it up in volume!")  This from a company that files suit
>>whenever they perceive "dumping" by foreign competitors.

>Gee. I guess the term 'N years to break even' has not occured to you.
...[stuff eliminated]...
>I do not remember the exact figure for losses of transplants but it was
>a rather staggering amount. A little math will also show that at 250,000
>cars a year (full production), each returning $1,000 to the FACTORY,
>that's 1,000 * 250,000 is 250,000,000 dollars/year. I'll throw in another
>50,000,000 a year for parts. That's 300,000,000 a year. At this rate,
>the 3,000,000,000 (3 Billion) dollars invested in Saturn will take
>10 years at zero percent financing. ...[transplant stuff eliminated].

It took Boeing roughly 25 years to start making money on the 747.  It
is one of the few planes in history to ever make money and be considered
a success.  Now, if they whipped one out every four days at full
capacity they'd make a cool $130,000,000 or so on every one.  Boeing nearly
single-handedly keeps our trade deficit from looking like a bottomless
pit (although this is getting a bit off the subject, sorry).

New car companies cannot be launched overnight, nor without tons (literally)
of capital, from a peice of paper to a factory with 3 excellent products
rolling off the line.  They won't make money for a long time to come, either.
Imagine the cajones it takes to make an investment in something like the 747
or the Saturn; both *very* risky and potentially financially devestating
should the market not be there for the product.

Regards,

Brian

bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am the engineer, I can choose K.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Department of Engineering Mechanics
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: ++Pontiac Idle at ~4-5,000 RPM-Help?!++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:20:14 GMT

I have a 1983 Pontiac 2000 SE that started running very rough and idling at 
about 4,500 RMP (Normally at 10-11,000 RMP).  I recently had to be towed to get
a new timing belt-I had ripped all the teeth of of mine!  The mechanic (who has
done QUALITY work for me at a very fair price) mentioned that it was running 
rough and that I should get it back in.  My (soon-to-be) Father-in-law said 
that his van did the same thing and it ended up being the 'HEAD GASKET.'  I 
have replaced the 'Valve Cover Gasket' but haven't had to mess with the other.

Also, I have never had much of a problem running for 3K miles on Five quarts of
oil, but at about 2K I had NO oil on the dipstick.

Do these signs indicate the Head Gasket???  Please email me to let me know what
you know!!!
-- 
THE HYPEMAN.
1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1983 Honda Nighthawk 650   DECEMBER 12,1992
   "BABY BOOOM"             MINT CONDITION         "TIE THE KNOT"
 'SYSTEM FOR SALE'            "FOR SALE"
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: High-mount Rear Brake Lights (Was Re: Forgetting to Turn Off
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:02:55 GMT

Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering
Keywords: 

In article <850028@mothra.rose.hp.com>, cook@mothra.rose.hp.com (Allan Cook) 
writes:
> I don't know if any other make of car has this but my Honda Accord 
> has the 'chime' that goes off when open the door with your headlights
> turned on.

My SHO has a ding if I leave the lights on... but I don't usually
because the automatic head light turner offer is usually activated
and it turns them off for me... :-)


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Dodge Intrepid
Keywords: Good? Bad?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:07:14 GMT

I didn't see any LH cars on the road back at home, but when I moved to Florida
in Sept., I've seen TONS of them. They are mostly rental cars... so they
are not 'top of the line'... I like them.. A LOT. Espically the Eagle vision.
The tail end needs some work (i don't like it), but every other view is nice!
I even made it my business to goto a local dealer and take a test drive. I just
flat out told the guy "i dont want to buy one, I just want to take it for a TD"
and he said 'lets go!" hah.. it was pretty funny. Anyhow...I drove the top
of the line Vision....it was very nice....it was HUGE! On most cars you
feel like your in a cessna, but this car had lots of leg room, head room,
and everything room,, but yet...it didn't seem like a 'van'...it was
lots of fun to drive and the ABS gave me no trouble at all (not even in a turn),I wish it was raining a little bit harder, but for the wetness of the road 
it wasn't that dry...


Just go drive one, tell the dork (i.e.  salesPERSON) what I said.

--
 Marshal Perlman <> Florida Institute of Technology <> (407) 768-8000 x 8435
                 Private Pilot - Airplane Single-Engine Land

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: twba3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Price for Mazda Mx-3
Reply-To: twba3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:25:12 GMT

I have a friend who want to buy a Mazda Mx-3(the model with I-4 enginee 
not the GS model with V-6).  The Mazda dealer now have a demo car with the
following options:
        Am-Fm Cassette
        Automatic Transmition
        A/C
The car now have 3000 miles on it.  The dealer asked my friend to pay 
$12000 for it.  Is it a good price for such a car?  Should my friend buy
it? Any experience on buying/driving a Mx-3?  Please send me a personal mail 
because I have no time to read the news very often.
Thank You.
From: trouttm@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:15:28 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1dttaqINNh69@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

> [In fact, my MA license has an "automatic transmission only" restriction 
> listed on the back, although I've never seen a license with that
> restriction. ]


I believe the reason for this restriction is for handicapped people
who do not have the use of one or more appendages.  My uncle had polio
when he was young and as a result lost the muscles in his right leg. 
His operator's license has the "automatic transmission only" code on
it.

-Mike

People who can't drive a stick...teach driver's ed?
From: dan@seismo.pnl.gov (Dan Hagedorn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:46:49 GMT
Reply-To: dan@seismo.pnl.gov
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article wmPZTB1w164w@cellar.org, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>Ok, I prefer a stick over an auto ANYDAY!  They are flat out more fun to 
>drive... HOWEVER...
>
>autos should be used by ..
>
>A> "new" drivers.  Learning the road with an auto can make one a bit more at 
>ease.. as its one less thing you must do.  Later like a year or so down the 
>road.. learn stick..
>
>B> Old folks.  Less reflexs, more movement, perhaps hip problems...
>
>C> People who are in traffic most of the time.
>
>D> People who just dont ENJOY driving, or having TOTAL control over thier 
>car.
>

How about people like me who have ruined their knees and constant shifting 
caused pain and deterioration of the knee joint.

-----
From: "Not an Old Folk, "new" driver, or someone  who just dont ENJOY driving."
-----
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw