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From: markk@tcsi.tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Originator: markk@rigel
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:38:43 GMT



brucer (DoD #0002 and IQ to match) writes:
>+ ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
>+ [helmetless rider hits deer]
>+ >I think that she made a thoughtless choice that imposed unnecessarily upon
>+ >the kindness of strangers. Frankly, MY first reaction was not of compassion
>+ >but was of rage. HOW COULD SHE BE SO ALMIGHTY STUPID TO BE RIDING WITHOUT
>+ >A HELMET!!!!! She is free to choose to ride helmetless but I, nor any of
>+ >the helpers was free to let her die unattended.
>+ 
>+ Did you consider checking for a wallet?  You might have found a few
>+ bucks in that would have made it worth your time and effort.

>	Mark, are you still alive?  Or did you immediately cut your own
>	throat when you realized what a mind-numbingly *foolish* and
>	utterly *assinine* statment you just posted?

Cut my throat?  Oh god no.  I'd never inconvence you and Ron like
that.  Think of the whineing I'd have to put up with!  Besides, I'm
not sure whether any of you took my wallet suggestion seriously.

>	God, I can't stand it.

Find a bike and go for a ride.  You'll feel better.  Just don't crash.
Imagine how inconvenient that would be to the rest of us!

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400            1985 ZX900 Ninja             1977 RD400D
"I wish those people would be more careful when they crash, I just 
 stepped in some brain and it's all over my spiffy Roadmasters."  
                                                     - you know who

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From: mehta-anand@CS.YALE.EDU (Anand Mehta)
Subject: Helmets for sale
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:19:22 GMT

I'd like to sell one of the following helmets:

AGV Cool-Tech Helmet w/controll unit:
  Red/Black with Grey

Shoei RF-108:
Red

Both in good shape (less than 8K miles on both helmets if that helps any)
I'm getting a System III, and really don't need 3 helmets...

-Anand

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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Cages suck (women cagers)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:35:40 GMT

Regarding the contention that women avoid tickets easier than men,
over the past N years I've had the following run-ins with police:

Twice pulled over for running red lights
Once pulled over for running stop sign (on 4 wheels)
Flagged down going wrong way up one-way street
Cop pulled behind and yelled "turn around" over PA on one-way street
Pulled over after passing truck at 70 mph in 55 zone (cop thought my
   plate was invalid)

In NONE of these incidents was I ticketed (but got a written warning
for one red light).  All occurred on 2 wheels unless otherwise
indicated.  For the record I am young, white, and male, and wear a
beard.  So according to net.wisdom I should be about as ticketable as
they come.

It may have helped that none of the above cases actually involved any
other vehicle in an incident.

Just my $.02

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU ((n)<j>ay)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Nicest Interstate
Summary: I'll third this one
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:25:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Jul24.183214.16882@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.031026.26817@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
>>> OK, where's the _nicest_ chunk of Interstate highway in the whole US of A?
>>> Must be a stretch at least 50 miles long.
>>
>>Okay, here's another. A lot of I-70 in Colorado from Denver to Grand
>>Junction is very scenic, cutting through the Rocky Mountains (nothing
>>like the two-lane state routes, but since you asked...). Particularly
>>impressive is around the Glenwood Springs area, where they are working
>>on putting the interstate right through one of the mountain ranges in a
>>project that, bigger than the Eisenhower Tunnel, is expected to cost
>>more than the entire rest of I-70. Disclaimer: because of the
>>
>I have to second this one.  Ann & I had wanted to avoid the I-series on our
>trip, but this is one we enjoyed immensely.  The Glenwood Springs construction
>was astounding.  It reminded me of a monorail system with all the bridges
>and tunnels.  Too bad it wasn't open yet.
>
I gotta third this one.  While the road itself isn't so great yet (two lane
with lots of construction damage) where it goes is beautiful.  I can't
say that I can't wait for them to finish the project, because it
has been going on since the late 60's i think, and it doesn't look like
they will finish in the next couple of years.   Does anyone know
when??

When I rode thru there, I told myself i said "Self, we gotta come back
here and look around more because we're gonna wind up in the river if
we do too much more looking."  8-) 8-) 8-)

Jay Hamilton              XV1000 with more chrome than a Harley
hamiltoj@handel.cs.colostate.edu  Time to change the oil AGAIN?!?!?!?!
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From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: Parental riding permission (Encouragement/Discouragement.)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 07:04:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: So what else is new?

My folks didn't even bat an eyelid when I told them I was now into
motorcycles. Of course, I'm $!x years old (damn noise hits!) so I 
should be able to make these kinds of decisions on my own. I did start
preparing them almost 20 years ago by taking up skydiving. Throw in
piloting small aircraft, a little scuba diving, a touch of rock climbing,
jumping off of stationary objects (with a parachute), quitting jobs 
without regular employment lined up, drinking
alcoholic beverages, not attending church and
similar sorts of stuff, and you won't have any trouble either. I sure hope
that wingwalking job comes through for me.

Lissa
shoun@netcom.com

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From: craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig)
Subject: Re: 85 Nighthawk 650S Recomendation sought
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.115549.22786@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> wolf@mt.att.com writes:
>"> "Answer 3)  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the engines were different. 
>"> "Not merely "bored out" and I believe the 700 was a 5 speed where the 650
>"> "was a 6-speed.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, the 700 is a chain drive vs a
>"> "shaftie for the 650.  The 700 was trying to compete with other 700's that
>
>To me, the engines looked identical (aside from the difference in color/cc's.)
>The 700 was/is NOT a 5-speed it's 6-speed just like the 650.
>The 700 was/is NOT chain-drive.  It has a shaft, just like the 650.  It did
>rev higher than the 650, though.
>
And just a couple more points.  The 650 and the 700 were quite different
bikes.  The 650 was a fairly conventional style (for its time) bike,
whereas the 700 was more of a cafe style (for its time) bike.  Also, the
650 always was a 650, whereas the 700 was actually a destroked version
of the Honda Nighthawk 750S that was sold elsewhere in the world.  That
was around the time of the >750 cc tariff on imported bikes, you might
recall.  In any case, the mechanicals are fairly similar between all of
them, and they are all pretty decent transport/sport/tourers.

Just my $.02 worth.  Later...
-- 
+--------------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Ryan Craig: Comp Sci Co-op, Dalhousie University  |  Disclaimer: My opinions|
|craig@ug.cs.dal.ca               are mine, all mine, and you can't have them|
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From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: Share your scare stories:Ever put the bike down two-up?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:54:43 GMT

In article <4915@gdls.UUCP> parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster) writes:
>I've read lots o' high-side, low-side stories about solo riders.
>Has anyone ever had to lay it down with a passenger sitting behind
>you?

        My first date with Anne ("Would you like to go for a
motorcycle ride sometime?")  was five years ago this Labour Day
weekend.  Her family home is within spitting distance of some of
the best roads around.  We were following a twisty road alongside
riviere du Lievre, on a left-hand blind hairpin.  A laden pickup
truck wallowing across the line sent me panic stricken to the
outside of my lane where there was copious amounts of loose sand.
I managed to shed enough speed, (I wasn't going very fast -
perhaps 60km/h), before I reached the outside that when my front
tucked into the sand, we weren't too abruptly dumped on our side.

        Evidently she hasn't held it against me too much since she
has joined me for many tens of thousands of kilometers of touring
since then. Anne married me June 6th this year.

Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Deer Claims Another; Thoughts
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:04:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.185535.21942@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
>From article <l6omatINN6h4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, by rja@hastur.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen):
>>>2. All cars get road flares (the one we were driving didn't have any)
>>     I carry about 5, and recommend that you do to.
>
>My moto-tailpack carries on of those road hazard flashing lights
>that use a flat Polaroid battery. Flashes amber, with a red reflective
>case, for a couple of hours, after which the battery can be replaced.
>I keep one in each automobile too.

	God, I get tired of cross-posts! I already said this in rec.autos.
	driving, so for details look there:

	Consumer Reports rated emergency lights/flares/triangles recently and 
	found that those big emergency triangles were by far the best. Much
	more visible, never go bad in storage, and are not flamable. Flares
	came in second after the trianlges. Emergency flashing lights and
	flashlights came in a very distant third... they are almost useless.
	(Perhaps even more useless than car's hazard lights).
	The thing with triangles and Conspicuity vests is that they use the
	most abundant light sources around (headlights) and are therefore
	the brightest.

	Of course, I don't carry triangles on my bike (they're just a *little*
	too big :-)). I guess a good second best would be flares, as they
	are smaller.
	
	My $.02

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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:52:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Jul29.175228.8641
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <SLAGLE.92Jul28232713@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>> On the other hand, if you are poor
>> in Canada, you still receive decent treatment, whereas if you are poor
>> in the USA you die on the sidewalk outside the Emergency room
>> because they won't let you in with an empty wallet.
>
>Bullshit.  Find me one major hospital in the US that has a policy
>of turning away trauma cases on the basis of the patient's wallet.

There are a number of hospitals in the Chicago area that will re-route
ambulance calls from "underprivileged" areas to Cook County Hospital,
which then refuses the patient because their facilities are inadequate
and they are underfunded; the patient is then shuttled back to
the private hospitals, until one accepts delivery of the body.

This practice has been documented 3 or 4 times over the past 20 years
that I can recall, perhaps more frequently.

On my most recent trips to emergency rooms, one with a friend (greenstick
fracture of the femur, unable to speak because of the pain), the other
with my wife (severe internal bleeding, unmeasurable blood pressure),
the first question I was asked after the patient's name was "what insurance
coverage does the patient have?".  My friend with the broken leg would
not have gotten in, except for his Northwestern student ID, and the
campus security officers who drove us in verifying that he was a student -
I guess they figured his parents had money.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
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From: jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette)
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:21:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.153209.16205@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mf@dancer.UUCP () writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.143810.11507@athena.cs.uga.edu> weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver) writes:
>>Now understand that this was the first long trip I had ever made on
>>a bike.
>>
>>
>>Things I learned:
>>.....
>> 7) Get a new seat. (Numb butt anyone?)
>
>	Even the (well-publicized) Corbin on my K gave me numb-butt
>(of course, that was after about 8 hours).
>

Ditto.

Jim
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From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Subject: Re: Cop Flashlights
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:20:34 GMT
Organization: your service

> >Probably because cops have a history of abusing gay people, whenever
> >I see one of these flashlights I immediately envision somebody's
> >skull getting bashed open with it.  The flashlight function never
> >even crosses my mind.  Does anybody else have this reaction?

----------

Watch how a cop holds his flashlight next time.  He holds it at 
shoulder level, from underneath, near the head.  That makes it an 
instant weapon if necessary.

What you 'envision' is correct.  It's standard training.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: Triumph Value
Reply-To: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.205354.216@halfdome.sf.ca.us> laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.031747.18101@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, patter@dasher.uucp (24224-guthrie) writes:
>
>> Ok - as described with a new paint job (including striping) is this
>> bike worth $1,000?
>
>depends on if you're shopping for transportation or a garage
>ornament.

Transportation. I have a '72 CB-350 garage ornament now. I don't need
another one (although the Bonnie *would* look prettier).

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From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Info On VFR700 ??
Date: 17 Jul 92 18:54:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

[I don't know whether my first post made it... this is a repeat]

I'm currently looking for another motorcycle. While my libidinous heart
reaches for the Ducati 907IE or the Honda VFR750F brand new, my Scrooge
like impulses chain my wallet and checkbook to the table. Thus, before I
take the plunge to the big buck purchases, I look carefully at machines 
that I wish I had purchased in years gone past.

I've located what sounds like a fairly nice '87 Honda VFR700 Interceptor,
a bike I've always admired. Low mileage, decent price, couple minor things
to correct (old tires, cosmetic blemish on fairing). Doesn't sound like it's
been crashed; is stock. I can't go see it 'til next week--I'm out of town
all weekend (in NY).

Any '87 VFR owners or ex-owners out there? What do you think of these bikes?
What do you think is a fair price for a clean one? Do you know of any others
that might be suitable (clean, stock, low mileage, excellent condition) for 
sale around the SF Bay Area?

Email is preferable but I read r.m nearly everyday too.
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
????                     ????, coming very soon
Honda VFR750F            1992, oh hell I want this too =*^0
Ducati 907 I.E.          1992, really really really wanted =8^0
Ducati 750GT             1975, mine--all mine--forever mine
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, waiting for its turn
Toyota MR2               1985, thinks it's a motorcycle... :)
========
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:29:13 EDT
From: Michael B. Smith <MBS116@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Asbestos Removal, DoD #1428

After riding that POS 200 cc bike to LA and back I've done it. The only real
problem was the Clown Suit, the drag was tremendous, shifting was difficult,
and the nose would fall off at 60 mph. Although I did make a few bucks at
childrens' parties throughout Colorado.

Feels good to get out of this asbestos underwear. Take care.

            Michael Benjamin Smith
             mbs116@psuvm.psu.edu          Penn State University
      ===================================      (814) 863-8142
        you may say that I'm a dreamer  =============================
      ===================================  but I'm not the only one
                  DoD #1428             =============================



Formerly Do #1428, Live to Flame, Flame to Live
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: manuel@space.ualberta.ca  (John Manuel)
Subject: Re: Rant, etc
Reply-To: manuel@space.ualberta.ca  (John Manuel)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:22:10 GMT

In article <21754@sybase.sybase.com>, leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey  
Oster) writes:
|> What do you all consider the minimum reasonable displacement for highway
|> riding?

In 1985, I drove a 1984 Honda VT500 Ascot (with a small Rifle sport fairing)  
from the Atlantic to the Pacific coasts of Canada (~7000 km) carrying a tent,  
sleeping bag, cooking gear, clothes, etc., etc. in a small Eclipse tank bag,  
soft saddlebags and on the stock carrier. 

I never lacked for power. I picked up a ticket or two, could pass any car  
traffic with the greatest of ease and easily out-accelerated at least 99.98 %  
of the traffic... isn't this the real measure of whether a bike has enough  
power?

The only thing I would have changed, and the reason why I sold the bike, is  
its size: it was just a bit small for me (I'm 6 ft).

--
John R. Manuel                 Department of Physics, University of Alberta
manuel@space.ualberta.ca                 Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA, T6G 2J1
Office: (403) 492-2526          (NeXTMail OK)           Fax: (403) 492-0714
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: davidh@garfield.cs.mun.ca (David Hansen)
Subject: Yam 650 twin club?
Summary: Yam 650 twin club?
Keywords: Yam 650 twin club?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:48:20 GMT

It seems to me that a club exists for owners of Yamaha
650 vertical twins.  I would like to join this club.
Can anyone supply me with the appropriate contact?
(Please).

Thanks in advance.

davidh@garfield.cs.mun.ca

or 

davidh@pico.engr.mun.ca

"My students think I'm crazy but I can't help myself."

Dr. Dave.
:wq

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: The First Annual DoD Right Coast Ride comes to pass...
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:49:35 GMT

In article <151484INNs3u@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> It was the age of foolishness (so was Seth)
I thought I was reasonably well behaved.  Well, at least better behaved than I've
been at other events.  More foolish was that unnamed individual that put their
bike up on the center stand (on soft dirt) to lube their chain (yea, you didn't
get away unnoticed).

> It was the worst of times (for Jonathon Politico)
While not as unpleasant as what happened to Jonathon, Tim Wright wasn't very pleased
about leaving his lifeless shadow on the shoulder of I-81 while we went off in
search of a phone (and lunch).

> It was the spring of hope (I hope that chicken cooks)
It was the spring of hope (I hope that chicken is cooked)

> It was the winter of despair (it's been cooking for 47 minutes now...)
It was the winter of despair (it wasn't, I'm on my tenth bathroon stop in as many miles)

- Roid

Ps: just kidding about that chicken.  getting my stomach pumped in Roanoke was all
    that was necessary.  the doctor said it looked more like digested skunk than
    chicken.  i never signed a release...
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: RCR Attendance List
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:29:33 GMT

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>> I'm not sure this was really a gathering of Denizens.  I mean there
>> were more cages than FJ's, BMW GS's and Ducati's _combined_.

>I think the ratio of cages to bikes was smaller for the RCR than it
>was for the Joust (I don't have the Joust list anymore to do the calc).

Well a quick count gives 66 bikes, 3 cages, and one airliner for the
Joust and 28 bikes and 2 cages for the RCR. 22:1 vs 14:1, you folks need
to ride more bikes. :-)

>As for the types of bikes, remember, this was a right-coast event.
>We right-coasters believe in following our own personal instincts,
>convictions and desires in choosing our rides, rather than the
>wrong-coast tendency to merely follow the herd...

This from the coast that is infected with our esteemed government? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: smorrow@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Morrow)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:59:35 GMT
Subject: '81 Honda CX500 Custom 4sale
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

I'm selling my 1981 Honda CX500 Custom (bought new in 1983). Red.

       -Shaft Drive
       -Liquid Cooling
       -24 K miles
       -Good Rubber
       -9.5 K Red Line
       -Electronic Ignition (of course)

I'm asking $1000.  I have two test reports (Cycle and I can't remember
the other) which I will send copies of to anyone interested.  I live
in Santa Rosa, California (50 miles north of San Francisco). email or
call if interested.

Steve Morrow
(707) 546-1760
smorrow@sr.hp.com