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From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Subject: Re: Gems from Lewisohn's "Chron"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.051117.20771@midway.uchicago.edu> dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.174021.20238@news.columbia.edu> brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>>--The mono and stereo "Help!" (the song) are the same take, not
>>different vocal takes.  Lewisohn says they were "edited" differently,
>>whatever that could mean.  I don't understand this one.
>
>Pshaw and double-pshaw. These are two different vocal takes; I'll
>stake money on it. All Lewisohn has to do is listen to the phrasing
>in John's delivery---it's different in the lyric "And I do appreciate
>you bein' 'round" (listen to the pronunciation of "do" in particular
>on both mono and stereo). Even if Lewisohn argues that these could
>be "edited" (and why would they be, pray tell?), the grittiness of
>the stereo vocals (as opposed to a smoother mono take)---there's
>a tangible desperation in that stereo version---would belie any
>existing documentation, if there is any.

I've argued this one myself.  I can't remember which is which, but on
one version, Lennon says "AND now my life has changed ..." whereas on
the other, it is "BUT now my life has changed ..."  This is a bit too
much to ignore for me ...

>-- 
>"These four boys, who are superb instrumentalists, also
>produce some exciting and pulsating vocals."
>--------------------------------------------------------
>saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu, under normal circumstances) 


-- 
( David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu                                 )
( "Well now, what can a poor boy do, 'cept to sing for a rock-n-roll band?" )
(  -The Rolling Stones, "Street Fighting Man"                               )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Beatle "beeps"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.151402.6656@en.ecn.purdue.edu> prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.144411.21625@cbfsb.cb.att.com> yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.171109.24964@pellns.alleg.edu> mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs) writes:
>>>In article <lc646iINNaq7@news.bbn.com> rgranvil@bbn.com (Rob Granville)  
>>>writes:
>>>I would use the beginning of "Revolution" (not the White Album track, but  
>>>the "single") -- John screaming "aagggggghhhhh!"
>>The scream is done by Paul not John. If you check out the Imagine video
>>that came out around 1988, they show a live performance of this. I think 
>>they did this on the David Frost show.
>
>Right, but that was on the David Frost show.  The RECORDED version features
>John.  (I believe Lewisohn verifies this - if not, I apologize in advance.)

No need to apologize, Dave. I checked out the recording of the song in
Lewishon's book. You are indeed right. Quoting Lewishon for recording
done on July 10th, 1968, "In the second overdub John also gave the song
a screaming introduction". Paul does do a good job with the scream from 
the Frost show, though.

Don Coons
dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
From: dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Documents boots
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:40:23 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.201759.12777@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes:
>)In article "Francis W. Starr, II" <fs13+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>)>I saw a series of bootlegs I am unfamiliar with this weekend.. It was
>)>called Documents, with at least 4 or 5 different volumes...
>)In article dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane) writes:
>)	This bootleg series is a rehash of the UM and URT series
>)      material, much of it in poorer sound quality. Seek out the 
>)	original Ultra Rare Trax and Unsurpassed Masters discs.
>
>They are indeed a rehash.  But, on Documents Vol 3, there is that
>most controversial song called _Peace Of Mind_.  (oh no, not *this*
>thread again!!)  So, at least from a collecter's point of view Docs
>Vol 3 is worthy of having.

I suppose-- if you consider "Peace of Mind" required listening.
Personally, I suspect that this is not the Beatles at all, contrary to
what the bootleggers would have us believe. Supposedly, this was
saved for posterity from an Apple trash can in 1970. Gee, I wonder
why? This is but one of a series of songs that were repeatedly 
bootlegged (cf. "L.S. Bumblebee", "Have You Heard The Word?") under
the mistaken notion that one or all Beatles were present on the
recording. It is by no means rare-- it can be found on a great number
of bootlegs of the '70s and '80s.

IMHO, the only thing on Documents Vol. 3 that is worth having is the
LLT outtake of SFF which isn't on the Unsurpassed Masters series. For
the rest, seek out the higher quality release: UM #3.

--

David Faciane        | "I was just singing it in the toilet so I think
dave@ray.met.fsu.edu |  I should get it --Lennon, Abbey Road, 1965
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Ono and rotary phones
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:48:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.145808.28780@brtph560.bnr.ca> ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.212448.3463@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
>|> 
>|> > i don't want to get involved in a Yoko flamefest and no  but the ONOBOX  
>|> ticks me off.
>|> >  Compare it to the LENNON box. John gets 4
>|> You make it sound like it was Yoko's fault that John's box set was only 4  
>|> CD's....
>|> I doubt that the fact that Lennon only got a 4CD box set has anything to  
>|> do with Ono (although anythings possible)...By the way, I do like some of  
>|> Yoko's music, just not on John's albums....
>
>i was under the impression that all "john releases" had to be approved by Yoko
>since his death. Surely, she approved the 4-disc set. And surely she could 
>have
>brought the same pressure to bear to make it a 6 disc set that she did for 
>HER box...
>or do you really think there's a record exec out there that considers Yoko 
>more
>marketable than John:)

Actually, it is quite the reverse.  Capitol would be much less willing to
give John a 6-disc CD set, because it would kill the sales of Lennon's solo
albums.  I would be interested in seeing whether the sales of "Plastic Ono
Band" or "Imagine" have dropped since the release of the box set, since
one is present in the box set in its entirety, and the other except for one
track ("Mamma I Don't Wanna be a Soldier").

Conversely, Yoko's music is for a limited audience.  Basically, releasing
her CD's individually at once would not really be a cost effective 
proposition.  So, the record company releases a nice box-set for whoever wants
it, without worrying about "killing future sales."

Similarly, Lennon fans who want to collect the stuff John was on would be glad
to get a great majority of it in a single purchase, rather then searching out
5-10 individual discs, which would probably be difficult to locate.

No, I have no qualms about the differences between the two boxes, particularly
since the rumors of a second "Lennon-II" multi-CD box set, consisting 
predominantly of "Lost Lennon Tapes" material (WITHOUT Elliot Mintz talking
over them :-) are still floating around...

<ESC>


-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
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From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Subject: Re: Explain "Come Together?"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 00:15:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.221934.26902@midway.uchicago.edu> dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In <Bus1CF.Kz1@brunel.ac.uk> lw91sdk@brunel.ac.uk (Stephen D Kennedy) writes:
>>I don't know how much truth there is to this story, I'll let you
>>work that out for yourself, but Timothy Leary says in his
>>autobiography that John wrote "Come Together" at the Montreal bed-in,
>>for Leary's benefit. "Timmy" was standing for election as Governor of
>>California (against Ronnie Reagan?), and - he says - his slogan was
>>"Come Together".
>John said in the Playboy Interviews that Tim Leary had indeed asked
>John to write a campaign song for him when Leary was briefly
>considering running against then-governor Ronald Reagan of California,
>but suggests that "Come Together" would have made a poor musical
>theme for a political race, since it was more or less "gobbledygook".

If I remember the story correctly (and I probably don't! :) ), Lennon
was "commisioned" to write a song for Leary.  Leary's slogan was "Come
Together, Join The Party," and Lennon took this and turned it into the
song "Come Togther," probably WITHOUT the intent of giving it to Leary.
However, Lennon DID use the slogan in "Give Peace A Chance" ... One
can hear him shout it during the repeated chorus at the end.


-- 
( David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu or prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu   )
( "I got a head full of ideas that're drivin' me insane"                    )
(  -Bob Dylan, "Maggie's Farm"                                              )
From: jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: remakes
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:26:06 GMT
Organization: Junior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Actually, decent (even good) remakes aren't impossible (although I admit
it only grudgingly). Fats Domino's "Lady Madonna," Ray Charles' "Eleanor
Rigby,"  Sioux'sie's  "HSkelter," and others succeed at capturing the
spirit and qualities of the originals. Of course, two of the
aforementioned examples feature musical geniuses who were successful in
their own rights; I suspect that for new bands the temptation is too
great either to copy shamelessly or randomly to do the song differently,
just for the sake of difference. As a general rule, tho', the original
is 99% of the time better. This goes, in my book, for tunes the Boys
themselves covered -- the Isley Bros. did "Twist 'n' Shout" _better_ as
far as I'm concerned; perhaps with less energy, but better. Most notable
exception: "Long Tall Sally."

JMR
HSK
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From: cs922094@ariel.yorku.ca (IAN S. NATHANSON)
Subject: Photos from 1968
Originator: cs922094@g07.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:11:10 GMT


I am interested to know if there are, in existence, any photographs available
from the "White Album" sessions, possibly for sale - other than the "official" promo photos taken by Donald McCullen (the ones with Paul in the pink suit)? I've seen some in Lewisohn's "...Chronicles", but I would like to know if others exist.
I know the sessions were tense enough amongst the Fab Four themselves, but there must be some pix available!


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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Subject: Re: "Big teaser"?
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:19:25 GMT

dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
: In article <BvD4JC.64r@nic.umass.edu> EDIAS@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (EMILIANO A DIAS) writes:
: >Along a similar line, I read somewhere that in "Day Tripper", John actually
: >says "She's a PRICK teaser" is this true?
: 
: It's probably what he *wanted* to sing...according to John's friend
: Pete Shotton it may have been composed that way. But it was changed
: (for obvious reasons) in the final released version.
: 

On the Stones' first UK album, in "Can I Get A Witness", in the final
chorus, where Jagger sings "can I get a witness, I want a witness" a
few times, the final time he sings "can I get a witness, I want a
witness, I want a pee"..

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
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From: dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki)
Subject: Julian Lennon's musical output
Reply-To: dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:08:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep18.155228.6773@medtron.medtronic.com> kr11615@yugoslavia (Kent Roessler) writes:
>Has anyone listened to any of julain's later albums?
>
>Valotte (his first one ) is very good. What about his later albums?
>

I like "Mr. Jordan", which came out in 1989, though it suffers a bit
IMHO from a certain "tinniness" (maybe the mixing board was left too
far over into treble)...or maybe it just lacks a certain substantive,
ultra-punchy production. But that's a minor complaint. The songwriting
is impressive (Julian collaborated on many of the numbers) and
Julian's vocal range is intriguing. He may have been trying out
various musical personae---occasionally he sounds as if he's
deliberately tending toward David Bowie---and when he relaxes, he
sounds so unutterably like John (naturally so, I think) that it's a
bit frightening; the song "On A Sunday Morning" is a good example of
this.

His more recent (1992) "Help Yourself" explores further reaches of his
songwriting abilities. On the whole I don't think it's as good as "Mr.
Jordan" but one song, "Get A Life" (written with Glen Tillbrook) is
terrific, especially for the range of instrumental "quotes" (I even
hear a bit of "Cold Turkey" in there).

Of course it helps to be a Lennon fanatic. I'm not sure that anyone
outside the Beatles milieu would be as impressed...but then under the
right circumstances I'm very easy to please.

Julian also co-wrote a song on the Smithereens latest album "Blow Up"
entitled "If You Want The Sun To Shine". It's a tad lugubrious but
shows influences from "I Am The Walrus" (it's a toss-up whether the
songwriter reflecting this influence is Julian or Pat Dinizio, who is
also a hardcore Beatles fan).

I think the kid has talent. He seems to be less driven than his
father, but that may be an unfair reflection on the fact that a) he's
not the writer/performer his dad was, or b) he's not a sure-bet for
the record label. Or perhaps he's just tired of the comparisons
between himself and John and produces music according to his own inner
light....
-- 
"These four boys, who are superb instrumentalists, also
produce some exciting and pulsating vocals."
--------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu, under normal circumstances) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dlm3@quads.uchicago.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: "The Making of Sgt. Pepper"
Reply-To: dlm3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.152339.22503@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs) writes:
>

>...the show was very good, I'm quite disappointed that it wasn't longer.
>Total running time was about 38 minutes.  Disney lost a lot of credibility
>with me on this one.  I was fully expecting a full-hour show, and was quite
>surprised it ended when it did.

Don't blame the Disney Channel for this.  It was originally made
in England for ITV/The South Bank Show, which I believe is 
commercial TV network. You have to leave room for the adverts. :-)
But of course Disney ran it without these.

Re: interview with...
>Phil Collins (?)...

The only reason I can see for this (maybe two reasons) is that a) he's
a drummer (he is, isn't he?) and b) he was an extra in the final
concert footage of "A Hard Day's Night". As far as being a drummer,
his comments were apropos of Ringo's technique.

>This is also the first interview I've seen with Harrison
>where actually talks with some affection about the Beatles.

Harrison is begining to learn that it's possible to accept (maybe even
appreciate) the Mania That Was as a phenomenon of considerable
historical importance. In doing so, I think, he's also given to
expressing a more relaxed attitude toward the part he played in all
this. The semantic ability he's developed to distance himself from the
more painful aspects of being a Beatle (referring to the group as "The
Fabs", for instance) appear to have opened him up to new revelations
about the group. This is important, because like any of the principal
members, Harrison's recollections (even if fraught with inevitable
memory lapses) are a wealth of untapped information. I'm very cheered
by the participation of all three living Beatles, and George Martin,
in this recent documentary. I wish someone could persuade them to
spend more time on an even longer work.
-- 
"These four boys, who are superb instrumentalists, also
produce some exciting and pulsating vocals."
--------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu, under normal circumstances) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: SCALES@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: subscription  to newsgroup
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 14:09:43 PDT

I'm asking for a friend, but can anyone tell me how to have the postings
here sent directly to an email account??
 
                                        Thanks Beatle fans
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "The Making of Sgt. Pepper"
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:23:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Oct1.142309.28815
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......

In article <1992Oct1.071357.7565@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>: In article <1992Sep30.071752.3554@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>: >> In article <1992Sep28.152339.22503@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs) writes:
>: >>>...the show was very good, I'm quite disappointed that it wasn't longer.
>: >>>Total running time was about 38 minutes.  Disney lost a lot of credibility
>: >>>with me on this one.  I was fully expecting a full-hour show, and was quite
>: >>>surprised it ended when it did.
>: >
>: >What!  In the UK it was a good 15 minutes longer.
>: 
>: I know that the show was scheduled for an hour-long slot on ITV's Granada,
>: from 10.05 to 11.05 on 14 June 1992...but isn't Granada a commercial
>: station and doesn't that account for the apparent "missing" footage?
>: Or am I mistaken about this?
>
>Granada is commercial, but the ratio of programme:adverts in the UK is
>much bigger than in the US.  The actual time of a UK one hour
>programme would be more like 50-55 minutes.  
>
>I guess that the  US lost 10-15 minutes of a very good programme.

To clear up the mystery, the original poster was mistaken.  The running time
from the opening "Disney" credit to the end of the closing credits is slightly
less then 46 minutes.  (45:37 by my VCR clock)  While it is possible the 
program was edited slightly, I would tend to doubt it.  Since it is not a
commercial network, it has nothing to gain by airing an edited version of *any*
program.  The only way something would be cut is if one of the pinhead 
executives felt something were in "questionable taste", and even that would 
only be a scene or two, rather then several minutes...

<ESC>



-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: more Come Together
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:58:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc12

In article <1992Oct1.153602.851@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
[Come Together discussion deleted]
>"Shoot" sounded like the first turn of the dial and
>Ringo's fill immediately afterward sounded like the

Shouldn't that be "Paul's fill"???

Pedantically yours,

Ross-c
From: st902440@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: "bootlegs"
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:12:09 GMT
Reply-To: st902440@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

I'm new here, so I haven't seen if anyone has previously addressed this....but I just purchased a couple of "bootlegs," namely a volume from the 'Unsurpassed Masters" series and one from the "Ultra Rare Trax" series. They have a lot of really interesting studio outtakes, etc., and althouh they were a relative ripoff ($21-$25 a pop) I'm going to look for some more...I wonder if anyone knows about these or other 'bootleg' series, and how did they come about-ie, who could get ahold of the studio tapes, and so



 
on.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Subject: Harrison Discography
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:26:43 GMT


George Harrison Discography:

Solo Albums
Electronic Sound                     --- instrumental
Wonderwall                           --- instrumental  soundtrack
All Things Must Pass (3LP,2CD)
The Concert for BanglaDesh (3LP,2CD) --- George Harrison and Friends
Living in the Material World 
Dark Horse
Extra Texture(Read All About It)
Best of George Harrison            --- includes Beatles tunes by Harrison
Thirty-Three and 1/3
George Harrison
Somewhere in England
Gone Troppo
Cloud Nine
The Best of Dark Horse   --- contains 2 new songs + Cheer Down
                                                    from Lethal Weapon 2
Live In Japan (with Eric Clapton and Band)  2CD


b-sides  (only those unavailable on albums) 
 Miss O' Dell            ---   B-side to Give Me Love...
 Deep Blue               ---   B-side to BanglaDesh
 I Don't Care Anymore    ---   B-side to Dark Horse
 Zig-Zag (Instr.)        ---   B-side to When We Was Fab
 Lay His Head            ---   B-side to Got My Mind Set on You

Soundtracks featuring Harrison on lead vocals of a  song or more.
  Wonderwall            ---  Instrumental Soundtrack by Harrison
  Nuns on the Run       ---  Blow Away  (available on George Harrison LP)
  Porky's Revenge       ---  I Don't Want to Do It
  Lethal Weapon 2       ---  Cheer Down (available on Best of Dark Horse)
  Water???

Charity albums featuring Harrison on lead vocals of one or more songs
  
  Nobody's Child      ---  Homeward Bound w/Paul Simon
                           Nobody's Child (Traveling Wilburys)
  GreenPeace          ---  Save the World (Different Mix)
  
Also (largely un)available Songs by George Harrison --limited edition CD

With the Wilburys : 
  Traveling Wilburys Volume 1  
  Traveling Wilburys Volume 3

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e-mail me if you find this useful...I'd like to know if I'm wasting my 
time before I consider doing another....did I miss anything? I did most
of this from memory....

Thanks,
Steven R. Williams 
 
williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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