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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Access issue?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:59:57 GMT

I thought it was a joke at first, given the context of what I over heard,
but apparently it is real. The County Commissioner has banned skydiving
at the Loveland/Ft. Collins (CO,  USA) airport. Can a County Commissioner
do that? I think not, given the FARs, but I worry. Could this result in a
No-Jumping situation and require a court battle? Have *you* sent a check to 
the AAD fund? 

Now we have an alternate landing site that's only a mile or two from the 
airport, so even if we couldn't _land_ on the airport, it wouldn't be the 
end of everything, but it sure would be a pain in the ass. Especially for
the dickhead that made ... OK, I won't shoot him. But what a dickhead.
Sure, HP and Continental and United don't like us, but they can *^$& off.
They'll never see my money again.

Disclaimer: I'm just provoking conversation by providing an incomplete and
ignorant description of what I consider to be reliable rumor, as well as some
mindless drivel. I don't know the threat to be real, I just suspect it is 
based on what I hear from people 'in the know'. I may just be sticking my 
(left) foot down my throat. Reply as you feel appropriate, I'll follow up.
Also, I don't know the County Commissioner to be a dickhead, I just suspect
so.

I think I'll buy a 1/2 case for my first disclaimer. Cheers.
Not.

Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca
Subject: Re: Beer (Was: Re: Our daily philosophy question)
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:17:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.134545.9767@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov
(Mark Horn) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.060429.24470@pta.pyramid.com.au> bob@pta.pyramid.com.au
(Robert Vernon) writes:

    <Major Stuff Deleted>

>There are two things that you can count on from me at a Drop Zone:
>        a) I won't drink anyone else's beer
>        b) I won't buy the beer (unless it's root beer).
>Actually, my friends would probably say that this list needs to be appended
>some, but I don't think they would be talking about anything related to this
>subject.
>
>#undef SOAP_BOX
>
>- sparkie
>horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
>

Nobody said that beer was the only thing that was sacred.

I sometimes bake cookies instead of buying beer and NOBODY complains.  The only
trouble is making enough!

Charolyn (a natural baker and biker bitch)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G)
Subject: Canopies
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:58:35 GMT

First of all, thanks to those who responded to my question about a new
canopy. It showed me that choosing a new canopy isn't going to be easy 
(and I'm not even talking about the colours yet!).
Anyway, among the postings I saw an interesting viewpoint (among other
interesting viewpoints of course, naturally - whew!). It was about getting
a Sabre with less wingload than normal, to make flight somewhat easier (in
view of my limited experience). The argumentation was as follows:
- a Sabre lasts about 3-4 times longer than an f111 canopy
- it offers more performance than an f111 canopy
- when I want something else I can sell the Sabre for a (very?) good price.
How does this sound to you? Any opinions?
This made me wonder somewhat about flight characteristics. How does an
oversized Sabre compare to an F111 canopy? What I've heard so far is that
they tend to loose height faster than an F111, especially during turns.
Again, any opinions?

(Phew, it's going to be an extensive test program. Now all I have to do is
find a dealer who lets me try all those canopies...)

                        (me, someday)
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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: where in boston area??
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:49:18 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1blugeINN9sq@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM (John O'Neil - SunExpress IR) writes:
>
>well last weekend, i went bungee jumping. WAY COOL!!
>
>now i want to go skydiving, where in the boston area, can i go!!

Yes, you may.

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From: jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Advice for new jumpers buying gear
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:49:17 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

In article <1992Oct5.202044.20284@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu writes:
>
>>Then there is the "rigger friendly" marketing campaign.  Maybe I'm just
>>from the old school, but I don't buy gear based on how difficult it is 
>>for my 
>>rigger to repack.  I buy gear based on its operational functionality.  
>>I insist on getting the packing manuals with used equipment (or being 
>>able to get them from the manufacturer). 
>
>	Absolutely on the packing manuals!  
>	But wouldn't you say that with increased difficulty
>	comes the potential for error?  I'd like my gear to be
>	pretty straightforward to work on.
>
Perhaps I didn't make my point:  The functionality of the equipment 
is of primary importance.  The ease of repacking it is of secondary
consideration.  

Just because some system is more complex (read "difficult") does not
deem it less desirable - to witt: audio altimeters are more complex than
visual but many folks prefer them; AADs add complexity and expense to
a system, yet many folks feel they are better than the alternative;
and if you take it to extreme, having a reserve parachute at all adds
complexity and mainainance issues which make use more difficult - but
the features provided out weigh the the added expense, and operational
complexities.



>
>RESERVES:
>>>	Besides landing you hard 
>>>	AND putting you down where the round wants to, ...
>>
>>Horse hockey.
>	
>	WHY?  A round isn't nearly as maneuverable as a square.
>	Maybe the east coast is different but out here you have to
>	avoid nasties like grape-stakes, ravines, freeways, steep
>	hills and other large areas of rotten terrain.  And rounds 
>	just don't land you like a square can.  Could you elaborate?
>
Rounds *are* manuverable.  Of course they do not manuever as well as
a square, but when finances conflict with getting in the air, I believe
a round is adequate for 99% of the conditions in which we *normally*
jump.  The other 1% of the time is avoidable by the jumper.  The jumper
must know the difference in performance characteristics and landing 
techniques, but these are neither dangerous or difficult.  

Of course, if you can afford the square reserve, all the better.

BS!
Jerry

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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: skydiving
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU

[couldn't reply directly, so I'll post a reply.]

Here are the publications I'm familiar with --


Skydiving     904-736-4793	$18.00/12 issues (Excellent!)
Chuting Star  904-282-6623      $12.50/12 issues (Free @ your local DZ)
Parachutist   703-836-3495	$21.50/12 issues (Included in USPA Membership)


Hope this helps,
Barry
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: BASE jumping
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:50:25 GMT

>     I would like to start my introducing myself.  My name is Martin Stack
>I am an Electrical Engineering student at the University of MO - Rolla. I
>started skydiving in May of this year and have enjoyed it a lot. 
 ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^^

>*********************************************************************
>  Martin Stack (mstack@cs.umr.edu) (s096051@umrvma.umr.edu)
>      C-22022    D-( In the Mail )
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow! Way to go, Martin! Thta's a lot of jumps for just 5-6 months.
Tim
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Setting DYTERS
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:01:18 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!leland.stanford.edu!eap

 r> I was thinking of setting my DYTTER for "reserve time". IE: When an
 r> AAD would fire (A cypres, maybe).  I would set it at 900ft, to
 r> warn me "If you ain't got something good over your head RIGHT NOW,
 r> the chop it and go for the reserve, STUPID!".  

 r> Any takers?

Kinda low.  While I would set an AAD for 900, I would set the Dytter for something more reasonable (reaction time wise) like 1500.

Bill Caefer
SCSA-91

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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Beer (Was: Re: Our daily philosophy question)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:24:53 GMT
Keywords: beer

In article <1992Oct6.181519.1493@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:
>>
>>There are two things that you can count on from me at a Drop Zone:
>>	a) I won't drink anyone else's beer
>>	b) I won't buy the beer (unless it's root beer).
>
>	Fine with me, bring some FOOD instead.  You want
>	to see skydivers swoop, just show up with some potato
>	chips and pretzels and watch the feeding frenzy.... 
>
>	Robin

This is not uncommon where I usually jump.  A couple of years ago when
I made my 1000th jump and a friend made his 2000th we provided the food
and the other jumpers bought the beer.  I find this an agreeable alternative
since I don't drink.  However, I have also on occasion provided a case.
When I do provide a case I usually ask the pilots what they want.


H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mml@eng.umd.edu (Marios Leventopoulos)
Subject: Any hints for newcomers?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 21:09:45 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: mml@hora.eng.umd.edu


I have no experience whatsoever but I am very eager to start.

I leave in MD (DC area)

Could you fellows suggest some starting point (some good contacts, were to go, phone # etc)??


-marios


From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:13:43 GMT
Subject: DZ at Petaluma CA?
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

It seems that a while back I heard talk that somebody was working on
creating a DZ at Petaluma CA. Has anybody else heard of this? Was I
just hallucinating?

 ..glen 

 Doin' AFF level 2 and 3 tomorrow at Skydance...hopefully. Dang, just
 what I need, another sport...
From: egz@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Skydiving videos
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:07:45 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Someone was asking for GOOD skydiving videos:

1. World Freestyle Competition 1991
   (World Freestyle Competition 1991,
    6120-A Hwy 21 East, Bryan TX 77803,
    $26)

2. A Video Guide to Freestyle
   (Electric Freestyle Productions,
    1754 Sprucedale Dr., St. Louis MO 63146
    $53.45)

This stuff is great. After I saw the first one, it made me starting freestyle.
And the second tells you how to do it.

  Zoltan
  (Not affiliated with these companies)
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:30:58 GMT

Reply-to: Ted.Harrison@p0.f623.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Ted Harrison)
Fido-To: romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol

Regarding romulus!zephyr.cair.du.edu!tjreynol's message to Skydive on Oct 08:


 r> One camerman here is somewhat notorious for screwing up and 
 r> not actually taped.. He once turned his cmera *off* 
 r> because there was a glare and he couldn't see the LED. Or 
 r> so he says. He always has some excuse..

 There are only two kinds of people who jump with cameras:

 Those who have screwed up -- and those who are going to screw up.

 The variables guarantee it.

 |*)


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From: grg@boo-berry.ai.mit.edu (Gregory Galperin)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:20:02 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab

In article <1992Oct2.060429.24470@pta.pyramid.com.au> bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon) writes:
>At other DZs, it [beer gunging] is a very important
>part of the social scene.  And the social scene, to me, is almost as
>important as the skydiving itself.  Not as adrenalin charged of
>course.
	Ho boy, you must never have been to our DZ.  What happens
after the sun goes down can be far more hairy, scary, and
safety-threatening than any of the jumping.  When the tequila comes
out, all present should be *very afraid*.  The Flaming Ring of Death?
Talk about adrenalin....!

how about the "wall-socket 2-way?"----+
                                      !
                                      +----=> Greg
From: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM (John O'Neil - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: where in boston area??
Date: 16 Oct 1992 08:29:02 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: heretix.east.sun.com


well last weekend, i went bungee jumping. WAY COOL!!

now i want to go skydiving, where in the boston area, can i go!!

john oneil
sun express
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: jumpers whiplash?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:39:12 GMT


>In article <Bvr9HB.J1v@virtech.uucp> mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith) writes:
>
>   It hurts my sensitive fingers.   :-)  If I pack alot during the winter
>   months, they may even crack (and, ohmygod, bleed.  I have a working
>   theory that it's because of the rubber bands.
>

When I started jumping (or maybe it was when I started packing, I forget)
my hands and palms began to peel all the time. 4-5 weeks ago, it started
again, and took up until a couple days ago to stop. Man, my hands were 
*ugly*. I don't know if its from packing or what.. I use tubies for my 
first two stows, and rubber bands for the rest. I like it that way, but
since I have a baggie of tubers, maybe I'll switch.

XCy
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: front mounts, was Re: Accident in North Carolina
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:19:08 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!cs.ualberta.ca!sharpe

>reserve, with a 200 sq. ft. STRATOSTAR main.  The rig was purchased for 
 r> I did my first (and many subsequent) square jump on the "strato-rock".  I
 r> thought it was only 170 (maybe 180) sq. ft.  I know it 
 r> is kinda off the topic
 r> of Karen's post, but am I wrong or were there just different sizes of the
 r> "'rock"?  I don't think there were.

No, you are correct.  The Stratostar size is 180 sq. ft.  And it amuses me that people bad mouth them so much.  Especially considering that it was the canopy of choice of 80% of the skydiving community for YEARS.  It was a damn fine canopy, and certainly much better than a PC.  <grin>

Bill Caefer
D-7510

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From: davidm@slc.com (David Monnie)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Request for info about collegiates
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:45:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Oct12.224521.4535
Distribution: usa
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

I have seen posts regarding college level skydiving competition.
A friend of mine is trying to set up a skydiving club at a local
university, and might be able to receive school funds if he can
show there is a forum for competition.

Is there anyone I can contact for information?  When are collegiates
held?  Where are they held (does the location change?)

Thanks.

David Monnie - C20560
Servio Corporation
Beaverton, OR
davidm@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: dappel@grafted.UUCP (Dave Appel)
Subject: Re: jumpers whiplash?
Organization: GRAFTED, Central Indiana's Usenet BBS 317-881-4369
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 02:13:05 CST

Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca writes:
> I find packing (I've been flat packing my own gear until recently) is much
> harder on my body than most opennings or landings.  A couple of weeks ago the
> were some lowish clouds and a lot of first jumpers so I decided to make some
> money packing student rigs.  I packed about 10 in one day and my back,
> shoulders, and especially glutei (butt muscles) were so sore then next day I
> could hardly move (and I'm in pretty good shape).  Actually, everytime I pack
> more than about 4 or 5 in one day I get pretty sore.  
> Anyone else?  
> Charolyn 

Char, I'd bet you could find plenty of guys at the DZ who would
be willing to massage your aching glutei muscles. :)

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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: skydiving
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:25:27 GMT

Barry Brumitt (belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Hope this helps,
: Barry
: (Cast: T-10 days and counting.)
         ^^^^
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Spotting and Ground Speed
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:25:48 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: romulus!boo-berry.ai.mit.edu!grg

>>Maybe this seems complicated because people have been framing it in
>>terms of rates and times.
>>
>>If I look out the door when the group in front of me gets out and
>>see what their exit point was
>>And if I want to open 1000 ft upwind of them
>>Then I have to wait until my exit point is 1000 ft upwind of theirs.
>
>Now THATS a simple explanation.  Forget ground speed and air speed and
>drift and everything.

 r>         It is simple, but I think it's too simple.  It "forgets" too
 r> many things that really *do* affect your path through the air, and all
 r> it really is is a good way of using the groundspeed rule-of-thumb

 r>         Convinced of that yet?  

Nope.

 r>         If you've actually bothered to read this far, what do you
 r> think about this idea?  Any obvious safety issues I've brain-locked on
 r> here?  Anybody?

I think you missed something here.  While all that you say is more or less 
true, you forgot one important item.  Namely that the conditions existing for one group won't change in 30 seconds so they exist for all the groups.

You said (above) that the method "forgets" things.  This is incorrect.  It 
better remembers all these 'things' than any other method which relies on 
you to remember them.  Since the only important thing here is separation
at 3000 feet, then using the actual distance at that altitude to time the exit 
is the perfect method.  You don't have to know (or guess) what the winds etc. 
are all the way down, you can see the result.  But your main error is in not 
seeing that the effect will be the same on both groups.  What happened to them 
will also happen to you.  Therefore the method is a good one.  Convinced?


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From: ryoder@zds-ux.UUCP (Robert Yoder)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Skydiving Video's
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:16:34 GMT
Organization: Zenith Data Systems

In article <1992Oct8.213750.7543@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel) writes:
> Does any one out there know of any really good VHS
> videos' for rent or purchase...? Found one the other
> day at Blockbuster Video that was pretty lame...
> 
> Am interested in a little instructional possibly as 
> well as basic excitement.
 
Hmmm... Instruction + basic excitement?  I would have to recommend
"Fandango" with Kevin Costner & Judd Nelson, circa ~1986. :-)

Robert Yoder r.yoder@zds.com

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