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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Attention all S. Florida motssers...
Date: 29 Jan 93 04:39:28 GMT
Organization: NIST

To any muffins residing in the S. Florida area (I know you are out there!):

This coming Tuesday, February 2, will mark the first ever (I believe) S.
Florida soc.motss.dinner to celebrate a visit by the revered Howard Solomon
and his spouse.  Daivd and I, as well as the recently arrived Julie Hood and
her spouse will be in attendance.  We will meet at 7:30 at WPA Restaurant
the corner of 7th Street and Washington Avenue, in Miami Beach for dinner
and fun.

Please e-mail me so I have an idea of how many will attend.  We hope to see 
many of you there!

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson@ocean.dnet.nasa.gov
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
"We Will Rebuild (tm)" - majority community response to Andrew
"We Will Redecorate" - gay community response to Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Southern Law Poverty Center
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 03:58:37 GMT


By email I was sent the attached information about the
Southern Law Poverty Center.  I'm not clear in my mind
whether the sender is a muffin, so I post this for an
anonymous person (contrary to my usual habit of not doing
that), because the matter is of potentially great interest
to LGB activists.

=====


The Southern Poverty Law Center
400 Washington Avenue
Montgomery, AL 36104

Their projects include "Klanwatch" and "Teaching Tolerance."
Some examples of their work:

In 1987, a Klanwatch civil suit against the United Klans of
America ended in a $7 million award to the mother of Michael
Donald, a black man who was killed by Klansmen in Mobile,
Alabama in 1981.  The Klansmen had lynched his body after
killing him.

In 1990 the SPLC won a $12.5 million judgment against Tom
Metzger and his group, White Aryan Resistance (WAR) for the
beating death in 1988 of Mulugeta Seraw, an Ethiopian man,
in Portland.

"Teaching Tolerance" sends a free magazine to teachers,
twice a year.  They aim to reduce prejudice through
education and dialogue.  The latest issue, Fall '92,
includes a very interesting three-page article about
"Project 10 East," a student-faculty lesbigay support group
at Cambridge (Mass.) Rindge and Latin School.  The CRLS is
"the only public high school in an economically, racially
and culturally diverse city .  .  .  there was some initial
resisitance .  .  .  [but] Project 10 East held fast to its
mission .  .  .  and has become an accepted part of the
school community .  .  .  [they] celebrated National Coming
out Day [1991] with displays, classroom materials, and
hundreds of pink triangles .  .  .  The triangles were worn
by supportive teachers and students as well as a majority of
school administrators -- including the headmaster, a former
marine.

The SPLC sounds like it deserves my support.  I have only
their own publications, however -- does anyone have
independent information about them?


-- 
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[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson)
Subject: Re: FAX PRESIDENT CLINTON (*AND* GENERAL COLIN POWELL)
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:34:56 GMT

>> I heard on ABC news this morning that the Congress had gotten over
>> 800 faxes AGAINST lifting the ban and only 21 in support.  It's time
>> to get off our hands, people.

Make it 22, at least (grin). 

come on folks, Colin's phone isn't busy... let's ring it off the
wall!

>Gen. Colin L. Powell
>Chairman
>Joint Chiefs of Staff
>The Pentagon
>Washington, DC  20301-5000

>vox: 703-697-9121.   
>fax: 703-697-8758.   


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Michael Masterson                                   mmaster@parnasus.dell.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: The gay 90s begin!
Keywords: Clinton lifting the ban, Harry Truman, common sense
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:21:29 GMT

In article <lmen14INNfru@news.bbn.com>, rrizzo@BBN.COM (Ron Rizzo) writes:
> 
> There's another matter that ought to be staring everyone in the face, a very
> close historical analogy that makes qualms about lifting the ban ludicrous
> and "pragmatic" political arguments against it specious in the extreme.
> 
> Namely, Harry Truman's executive order in the 1940s to end racial segregation
> in the US Army, which many historians are willing to entertain as Truman's
> greatest single achievement as president.
> 
> A lot of people now hollering about Clinton's lifting of the ban took Truman's
> name in vain all during last fall.  But since Election Day not a whisper has
> been heard about the Missourian.
> 
> Does anyone know the legal and political facts about Truman's famous executive
> order?

I seem to recall an Op Ed column in the Boston Globe a few months ago
(don't remember the author) that started off with a quoted paragraph
with the usual blather about dire effects on discipline and morale if
the military was forced to change their rules.  The author then
revealed that this was not quoted from the current debate about
gayfolk, but from the 1940s debate on Truman's integration order.

A number of people both on soc.motss and in the halls where I work
have expressed angry bewilderment over the obviously dissonant
position of Colin Powell.


Ron: I hope they don't make you "go away". If they do, I hope you're
still here to see this, so you can hear me saying that I and many
others will miss your voice, your trenchant political observations,
and your spectacularly literate wit.

--Robert
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Madonna worship - GET REAL PPL!
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:50:08 GMT

> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>>*Excuse* me, but Madonna is not an idol....
>>She is an *icon*
>
>or perhaps even a goddess?

In an article on fashions seen at Inaugural events in
Washington this week, one of the New York Times's queerer
reporters, Degen Pener, reports:

    At a luncheon given Tuesday by Elle magazine for Maya
    Angelou, who delivered the inaugural poem, Ingrid
    Casares, who works in the Los Angeles office of
    Wilhelmina models and is best known as Madonna's
    current companion, showed up in a pin-striped man's
    suit by the French designer Jean-Paul Gaultier and
    small black-rimmed sunglasses with amber lenses.

(He also reported that at the benefit for People fpor the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), k. d. lang wore non-
leather Doc Martens, and Sara Gilbert wore non-leather
combat boots)
   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Prodigy pulls the plug
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 03:52:02 GMT


Prodigy has terminated an adult section of their BB center.  Known
as "Frank Discussion", the topics under that section included   
"AlternateLifeStyles", primarily GBL oriented but included cross-dressing,
Dominate/submissive and several other genre.

Access was gained by retyping one's password and a certain amount of 
censorship was imposed but generally, the subjects and the language
was fairly explicit and permissive.

It was the decision of Prodigy to merge them into existing groups and
apply a very strict censorship on language and content.

People are not happy!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Clue phone for William J. Clinton
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:33:00 GMT

In article <mattm-260193094220@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <C1Gxw0.8Ct@acsu.buffalo.edu>, viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
>(Michael A. Jones) wrote:
>
>> 	Do you have lines for all 535 members of Congress too?  Give Bill
>> a break and call your Congresspeople!
>
>This is excellent advice.  Clinton is not the problem.  As has
>been reported at least once in widely-read newspapers - if 
>Congress decides it doesn't like the Executive Order, Congress
>may overturn it.  And Congress looks damn willing to do so.
>So the Political Queens should quit bitching at the President
>(gasp - defending a Democrat...  ohh, ick, yuck, pitoie) - and
>turn instead towards that bloated, corrupt, incompetent body
>that, God save us, actually *creates* the Law.

I've been feeling reticent about jumping into the debate, but I'll add
to.

I don't believe the debate is about homosexuality; it is about power.
House of Clinton is the new family on the block, and it is now being
tested on the federal level to find out what it is made of. Remember -
his predecessors, House of Reagan, and House of Bush were known
quantities. Clinton's 180-degree turn-around on federal abortion
statutes was a start. I think the gay issue is to test his political
savvy, to deflect a little scrutiny from the economy until it is juicy
enough to look at "hey, lookin' good!", and to see whether he or
Congress is the more powerful part of the Democratic party. Think of
the processes elaborated upon in a film like "Advise and Consent".
There is a great difference between politics and reality. The
government, as an entity, is finding out how far House of Clinton will
go, and how much charisma, how much will it has.

I don't think a bunch of generals seriously worry that much about
homosexuals in the military, and I certainly doubt if Congress does,
at this point.  In fact, if push comes to shove, and a budget-cut
military has to make hard decisions, the last thing they will do is
anti-gay investigations, and a Presidential fiat gives them a
save-face way out.

Lastly, in between the time there is rescinding of the presidential
order and any congressional action, I expect wise senior military
officials to come out. Then the shit really hits the fan, and the
whole thing just sort of disappears off into some committee somewhere
never to see the light of day. They can't safely come out now _to
their peers_; that's why no one can have their input at high levels.
Once out, both the military and Congress will be very hesitant about
losing such a large and important investment.

Again, though, it is about politics, not homosexuality, and I doubt
even the politics of homosexuality. If it wasn't gays, it would be
something just as 'explosive'.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! : -)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:33:58 GMT

In article <thaaang.728147928@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
> 
> Are you CHALLENGING me? Oh dear, I may have to fuck 'em all just to
> preserve my sense of honor...

I read this the first time as "sense of humor". An interesting way to
preserve either, in any case.
From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: List of GLBO* Historical and Celebrity Figures  Part 2
Date: 29 Jan 1993 05:11:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-10.mit.edu
Summary: blech

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David Anthony Wyatt) writes:
>> Dickenson, Emily [f] (1830-1886) U.S. poet (OOAT, TM)
>Evidence, please.

David, it's "Dickinson."  Arne, he *said* he took it out
of some books.

But hey, you want *proof*, I got proof.  Paglia writes:

   Emily Dickinson and Walt Whitman, apparently so
   dissimilar, are Late Romantic confederates of the 
   American Union.  Both are self-ruling hermaphrodites
   who will not and cannot mate.  Both are homosexual
   voyeurs gaming at sexual all-inclusiveness.  Both
   are perverse cannibals of others' identities,
   Whitman in his gluttonous self-engorgements and
   invasions of the chambers of the sleeping and sick,
   Dickinson in her ritualistic condolences and lubricious
   death-connoisseurship.  Voyeurism, vampirism, 
   necrophilia, lesbianism, sadomasochism, sexual
   surrealism:  Amherst's Madame de Sade still waits
   for her readers to know her.

I'm glad that's settled.

Max
max@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss,pnw.motss
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: Text of new OCA anti-gay initiative (LONG)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:08:37 GMT

tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:

>My position is that each of us are born with basic human rights and
>are afford various other Constitutional rights and that the government
>has to protect those rights, regardless.  The only way to void any and
>all of those rights is through individual legal action.  PERIOD.

Though it may seem semantic, there's a very important fallacy here.  In 
America (and nowhere else in the world), we are not AFFORDED rights by the
Constitution.  The Constitution does not add rights to those we innately pos-
sess, but protects them.  It is the people who grant rights to the govern-
ment, not vice-versa.  We give the government the right to build roads; we
gfive the government the right to protect economically the elderly; we give
the government the right to fund other nations' development.  The government
does not GIVE us the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but
protects those rights, which are considered innate in all human beings.

Again, it seems semantic, but I believe that the view that we have rights by 
the grace ofthe government, and not vice-versa, is in part responsible for
legislation legalizing bigotry

*steps off soap box*


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: Pro-Queer violence and Re: Starting Trouble: Homophobia at MIT
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:48:37 GMT

In article <18432@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.224047.23735@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> paramilitary. We wore uniforms. We had a commander. We walked in
>> formation. We tried to look intimidating. We were trained to deal with
>> violent situations. We carried weapons (capsicum).
>
>For what its worth, I have used capsicum on another ( an unruly patron in
>my bar ) and have little faith in its effectiveness. It didn't stop
>my assailant at all, and subsequent contact only wound up making the 
>frey that much more unpleasant.

*Yvette tries for a moment to picture these guys hitting others on the head
with a green and red splotchy vegetable*

Nope... that can't be it... although I guess I might concur with Owen in
that it probably wouldn't be effective against an assailant. 

So....... what the hell IS capsicum, if it isn't a hollow vegetable the
size of my hand?


--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au 
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:56:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.184924.3833@quantime.co.uk> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>I'm just back from Scotland,
>and while visiting some friends in Edinburgh
>(no, you don't know them)
>I found, having offered to make coffee,
>that there was only instant coffee available.
>Not wishing to embarrass my hosts, I persevered,
>but I had to think for several seconds to remember how to do it.

Have you ever noticed that when some people write in short lines it 
automatically turns into poetry?

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

At breakfast it was learned
that Elsie had expired during the night,
and gloom descended on everybody.
From: ac999265@umbc.edu (ac999265)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Telephone calls for national politics
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:44:31 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
Keywords: unscientific polls

In article <1993Jan28.200931.8580@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org 
(Robert Coren) writes:

  >In article <1993Jan28.044204.7827@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu 
   (Nelson Minar) writes:
  >> Am I the only one who is disgusted by this latest game in politics,
  >> thousands of citizens telephoning various people in Washington DC and
  >> registering their "vote" for or against the ban on queers in the
  >> military?

>I don't think it's that new, although perhaps the amount of media
>attention it gets is. (All part of the increasing trend in the News
>Biz to provide "numbers" on every subject whether they mean anything
>or not.) Every now and again there's a hot issue that gets people
>calling their government. Most of the time, on most issues, 10 calls
>on any given subject is considered "a lot".

  >> But what the hell? The news media are reporting the "tallies of calls
  >> for or against" like they were votes or scientific polls or something.

>Saves them the trouble of coming up with substantive reports.

I noticed on Tuesday night that one of the news organizations (CNN?
Nightline? I'm not sure) reported that the calls had been 800 to 21
at Colin Powell's office that day, followed immediately by a graphic
showing the results of their (scientific) poll -- which were 47% in
favor and 47% opposed to lifing the ban.

Same thing for the poll results in today's New York Times: the
scientific samplings give results that are totally at odds with the
call tallies.  I hope the congresscritters understand the difference
between the two kinds of "polls"!

BTW, did it occur to any of you that there was nothing stopping
you from registering your "vote" (to those offices that didn't
ask for your name and address) over and over and over and...

Miriam
ac999265@umbc8.umbc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Lesbian and Gay Band at Inaugural, update
Summary:  thanks, Stephen!
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:08:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.200607.24701@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com
(Steven Levine) writes:

>The Inaugural Ceremonies were broadcast along the parade route,
>and it was eerie that the sun reached our side of the street at the very
>moment that Clinton was sworn in.  Imagine listening to
>this while standing with a crowd of lesbians and
>gay men, many of whom are your closest friends.  Feelings
>get amplified in a crowd, sometimes to the point of irrationality,
>and most of us got very choked up.  It felt as if a yoke of
>hatred was being lifted from our shoulders.

Irrationality be damned -- "It felt as if a yoke of hatred was being
lifted from our shoulders" (even though we know the hatred is still
out there to ambush us.)

>It's just a couple of politicians.  But the symbolism
>of these gestures was huge.  If I think too hard about it,
>I can get enraged that such a small, simple thing as a smile
>and a thanks from the President for a lesbian and gay
>group should be such a big deal.  But that doesn't mean that
>it wasn't a big deal.  Does my stock go down in soc.motss
>if I admit that I cried a little while playing the
>piece?

Politics is -- at best AND at worst -- an immensely HUMAN thing,
and as such it is MAINLY symbols (the rest of it is an ability
to harness individuals who would not normally be able to stand
each other to a loyalty (either to an idea or to a person --
both can be dangerous) that allows them to work together.

For me, your "stock" would have gone down (fat chance, though!)
if you had NOT reacted to a postive, affirming reaction to the
"man from Hope" -- "there is nothing wrong with America that
cannot be cured by what is right with America."  It's a little
bit sappy, but if we DON'T believe that, America is dead.

>We were listed prominently in the big map published in
>the Washington Post.  When we told spectators who we were,
>nearly all of them said, "Oh, yes, I read about you."

That's worth a lot!

>some footage of our rehearsal.  Oh, and Rush Limbaugh
>called us human trash, but that was a few weeks ago.

That should make you happy, too! :-)  The bigots are hurting.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:32:49 GMT

I posted a while ago about how odd Elton John's "Your Song" sounds
when you consider the circumstances of the John/Taupin partnership:
there's Taupin, writing the lyrics to the song that he plans to give
to his openly-queer partner.  "I hope you don't mind/that I put down
in words/how wonderful life is/while you're in the world."  Right.

I mentioned Mecano's "Mujer Contra Mujer" somewhere else.  I'll try to
sweet-talk Elisa into translating the lyrics for me some time.

Most songs by the Velvet Underground and/or Lou Reed have some sort of
queer undertone to them.

There's "The Killing of Georgie," by Rod Stewart.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: FUNdraiser: Day of 100 Pleasures!  Feb 7
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:26:54 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: nj
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdl.warren.mentorg.com

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-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: psop4@mach1.wlu.ca (paul sop u)
Subject: Homosexuals in martial arts (H I M A)
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:44:23 GMT

Looking for information on a group called H.I.M.A. (Homosexuals In Martial
Arts).  It's suppose to based either in Chicago or in San Diego and is
helping to organize the martial arts competition for the Unity Games in
1994.  Any details would be appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.motss