From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Rich men and Heaven
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:56:05 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc

In article <70497@hydra.gatech.EDU>, rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard
Pitts) wrote:
> |It refers to this man of noble birth. NOWHERE does it mention the
> |word Jesus. If this was the case, the last sentence would say,
> |'Put this money to work, he said, 'Until Jesus comes back'. Clearly
> |the 'I' refers to the noble man. Anything else is pure speculation
> |that Jesus would not like to happen.
> 
> What is the purpose of the parable - look at the introduction of it
> and tell us.

I looked,and Jesus *didn't* say it was a parable of himself. You could
check yourself. If you insist this is the case, then this is your
own private speculation, *not* based on the Bible. Feel free to speculate,
but don't misuse the Bible, thanks.
> |This is not stated in the Bible. Could we please use the Bible instead
> |of private speculation, it would help a lot if we used a reference
> |instead of relying on outside speculation that may or may not be true,
> |thanks? I think we both agree that the Bible should contain the truth,
> |and not private speculation.
> 
> I thought you were familar with the Bible, sorry.

It seems I'm more familiar with it than a true blue Christian, which
is really astounding...
>    John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
>       the Word was God.
>       John 1:2   He was with God in the beginning.
>    John 1:3   Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made
>       that has been made.

So what has this to do with the earlier statements you made that showed
that Jesus would come back???

> |So faith implies good imagination, eh? Maybe I'm a closet Christian,
> |I do enjoy fantasy.
> 
> No faith is trust/belief - the message is simple.  Jesus is God and
> came to earth as a man - he lived, died, was resurrected, and ascended
> to the Father in heaven, from which he came.  He is returning.
> His death paved the way [and paid the way] for all to have access to
> the Father.

It seems you need to make all kinds of wishful connections and 
assumtions, and twist the word of Jesus to suit your doctrines,
which I find is a sad situation....

> |The original Christians, that waited for the appearance of Jesus
> |and the final days 'during their lifetime'. It didn't happen, and
> |it was a big blow for the original Christian church. 
> 
> I wait today - we are to wait and expectantly at that.

I guess you also belong to the generation of the disciples, maybe
you are 2000 years old?


> It seems you don't want to hear that Jesus wasn't coming back within the
> lifetime of the people.  Paul tells about those who have died and 
> encourages us not to grieve like those with no hope, for those who died
> in Christ will return with him and their bodies will be raised. (1 Thess 4)

It also seems when there's not relevant information, Paul is the one
that clarifies and justifies all kinds of problematic cases. This is
also an intersting observation, and it clearly shows that my own
theory that Paul is the originator of modern Christianity -- not Jesus,
is maybe valid.

Cheers,
Kent
	Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to	investigate. -F.M.
Knowles
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