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From: rob@rips.UUCP (Rob Savoye)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Outdoor Research Products
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:56:23 GMT
Organization: Raster Image Processing Systems, Inc.

WHITLOCK@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock) writes:

>Last December I bought a new pair of gore-tex over mitts and a pair of 
>supergaiters, both from O.R.

>Their products had (from what I had **read**) a good reputation for quality 
>and durability. Boy was I disappointed!

	[ stuff deleted ]

>Should these have worn out so quickly under these conditions. Am I the 
>defective one, or is it the product, or do I need to accept this as a "
>normal" wear rate ? What if I walk in to Annapurna again (as I did in 1985)? 
>WIll I need five pairs? Can they be coated? Is there a better product out 
>there for walking IN snow, ON ice and laced into my Tubbs snoeshoes?

  Lately I've found myself in the position or replacing much of my old worn-out
gear. I needed a new jacket, gaitors, and overmitts too. After one season my 
overmitts (from OR) are wearing out badly, stiching is coming out, the seams
are worn badly, zippers stick on jackets, etc... My old gear has lasted for many
years (some are 8-10 years old). It seems like the new gear just isn't built
as good. I'm really getting burned out on trips to Mountain Mend. What happened
to quality ? The last thing I want is gear breaking down on an extended trip.
Don't manufacturers have any responsibility to their customers ? I've decided
to fix up my old sewing machine and go back to Frostline. Most of my Frostline
stuff is 10-15 years old and most of it is still in good condition.

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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: mike.federchuk@rose.uucp (mike federchuk)
Subject: water purification
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:57:50 GMT
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Date Entered: 04-05-92 12:00
Thanks to all of you who replied to my questions on water purification.  Special
thanks to Anna, Greg and Eugene too.  I would have sent personal notes, but our
site is having problems with e-mail.  Everything just bounced back to me.

Regards,
Mike Federchuk
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

Does anybody have recent (< 1 week old) info on snow conditions re: rock creek
to mammoth?

I was going to do the sierra high route but my friends report the snow on it
either sucks or is non-existent.  Need info by 3PM 4/14 to be useful.

Thanks...

-Jeremy
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Sierra stove
Date: 30 Mar 92 17:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@stravinsky.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1992Mar23.163707.22887@den.mmc.com>, pat@devo.den.mmc.com (Pat Lange) writes:
> 
> In late February I saw a posting asking about the Sierra stove that
> burns twigs, bark, etc, but I never saw any follow ups.  Does anyone
> have more information about this stove that they can send me?

I shared a campsite a few years ago with a fellow who had one.  It got
up to full speed in about the same time as it took for my Svea to get
primed, lit, and up to full operating temperature.  It also boiled water in
about the same time.  It used relatively little wood, making it practical
to pack a couple of meal's worth of fuel when venturing above timberline.
It does copiously blacken pots.  It's also a great conversation starter.

-- 

John Reece			
Intel spokesman?  Not!
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Re: Outdoor Research Products
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:34:50 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <122440098@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ddj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Josephson) writes:
>> overmitts (from OR) are wearing out badly, stiching is coming out, the seams
>> are worn badly
>
>Yes, this is happening to mine as well.  I've had them a little over a year.
>The Velcro tabs are fraying around the stitching badly, the Velcro itself is
>shot, and the seams are coming loose.  I was wondering if mine were just an
>isolated case or not.

	I've found that for almost all application Velcro wears out very
	quickly. I won't stand for it on any of my backpacking gear or any
	other outdoor stuff. The only exception is my kayaking and rafting
	gear, which I'm very careful to wash often (it's true, I'm in the
	water a lot anyway :-)), so it stands up O.K. (except now I have
	too much and I keep getting stuck in weird ways).

	In general, though, I don't give Velcro much more of a job than
	holding my fuzz buster to the dashboard...

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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Abandoned places
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:06:24 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: damouth@wrc.xerox.com's message of 3 Apr 92 22:02:45 GMT


In Vischer's Ferry, New York (north of Albany), there is an old abandoned
section of the Erie Canal.  It's adjacent to a sort of wetlands, which
is itself next to the Mohawk River, and the whole area is now an 
Audubon sanctuary.  The canal is pretty interesting -- the walls are
still there in many places, and the quality of the stonecutting is
really quite impressive.  There is one old lock and one old drydock, 
and there may be more -- I've never got to the end of the trail.  
All of this stuff is about 150 years old.  It's a good area to go 
birding, if you're into that.  I saw some Canada geese big enough
to eat my mom's Airedale, walking around on the towpath one day.  
Also, it's a great place to go xc skiing in the winter.  The canal
is shallow and the water is slow-moving, so it generally freezes
pretty hard.  
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From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Abandoned places
Date: 9 Apr 1992 17:23:56 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron.mips.com

In article <1992Apr7.225512.5510@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <334@sousa.ltn.dec.com> goodnews@mrktng.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
> 
>>And speaking of railroads - the abandoned railroad beds are great for long
>>flat hikes and easy walks.  Also good for easy mountain biking (and not damaging
>>hiking trails).  Occasionally you can find an old relic like a glass insulator 
>>or an old spike.
>
>     I can't resist putting in a plug for a non-profit organization called
>the Rails-to-Trails Confederacy (I think that's the name, although 
>it sounds like some Civil War group).  They encourage governments to
>buy up old railroad rights of way for use as walking paths, or biking
>or horse trails.
>     This turns out to be harder than it sounds, and not just because gov'ts.
>are short of cash.  One of the biggest problems is the adjoining landowners,
>who sometimes think that the rights of way should revert to them, and who
>have fought (often to the Supreme Court) against turning these railroads
>into trails.
>
 They have a controversy over the old railroad right-of-way south
of San Jose right now.  The rr line wants to discontinue the service
and the government wants to buy it for some purpose.  Local developers
want the land to build more overpriced houses so they can make lots
of money.

 Now, IMHO, the government should require the railroad company and
the developers to have the soil tested every mile along he right
of way and submit a plan to cleanup all toxics found.  I would 
venture to guess that would be a considerable amount of cleanup.

 This would make the development costs prohibitive.  The government
could then offer the railroads a reasonable compensation for the land,
restore wetlands along the right of way and put a bicycle/hiking trail
down the old roadbed.  The railroad companies would bitch like hell,
but they did get the land for free initially.

--jimiii@mips.com
 

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From: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Abandoned places
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:43:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: titipu.01010064.0p3qt6
Reply-To: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Organization: Metalogic
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.9b1

In article <9378@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> (rec.backcountry), hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal Lillywhite) writes:
> The problem is that a trail brings in people, even "city
> slickers!"  
>         ............
> I don't know any perfect solution to this problem.

Well, as you point out, education of trail users is part of the solution. 
Surprisingly, though, education of the landowners is probably more important. 
The "jerks" you talk about are very seldom found on these trails -- you can't
drive on the trails, yet these are gentle trails which don't attract the macho
element.  Most neighboring landowners eventually come to see the trail users as
good neighbors, even as watching eyes to help protect against damage.

Following your suggestions is a good way to get this across to the landowners,
as well as helping to assure that it remains true.

Edward Reid  (8-}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330
From: martin@amadis.lbl.gov (Eric Ongerth)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Summer job in S Lk Tahoe
Date: 14 Apr 1992 19:19:00 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: ejo@ocf.berkeley.edu (Eric Ongerth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.162
Keywords: job wanted Tahoe summer


	Help... I'm going to be living in a cabin at Echo Summit, near South
Lake Tahoe, CA this summer and I'm looking for job opportunites from
mid-May through late August.  If anybody can give me any leads or good
places to apply, I'd really appreciate hearing from you (VIA EMAIL, please!).

	Why I think this fits on this newsgroup:  I've restricted it to CA
distribution, and I'm looking specifically for backcountry / wilderness
- related jobs.  I've heard the Forest Service doesn't need any more
volunteer backcountry rangers for Desolation Wilderness (right at my
back door), which would have been my first choice of what to do.  So I'm
looking hard for any wilderness type jobs that exist.  I'd like to lead
hikes or mountain bike tours.  Or teach rock climbing, or work a trail
maintenance crew, or assist a photographer, or ... the list goes on. 
Anything outdoorsy and not too commercial.  If it comes down to it, I
may have to look for jobs in backpacking stores and so on.


	All E-Mail greatly appreciated!

Eric Ongerth, who will never spend another summer programming 50 hrs a
week in an image processing lab

ejo@ocf.berkeley.edu
martin@amadis.lbl.gov

2415 Prospect, Berkeley CA 94704
From: goodnews@mrktng.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Abandoned places
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:35:26 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <122440093@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein) writes...
> 
>Can you be more specific about what you're looking for?

Hi Alan,
  I'm looking for stories about places like you just mentioned.  
  Shacks, villages, railroad stations, canals, whatever.  I enjoy discovering
  places like these, and I'm sure others on the net find it interesting.

  Its not heavy-duty backpacking/hiking/climbing, but I'll bet a lot of
  people who enjoy these activities also end up coming across a lot of old
  sites.  - Kind of a window into the past as you get off the beaten path
  (to clinch a couple cliche's)

-Vin
From: grs01162@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: ?? Water Purifiers ??
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:19:48 EDT
Organization: Appalachian State University

Hello,
   I am looking for opinions on water purification systems such as 
Pur brand and MSR brand.  I have had experience with Katadyn brand filters and
know they work well and are considered one of the best.  However, they are
expensive.  I was wondering if the cheaper models do basically the same things
such as filtering out any bacteria that could make me sick such as Giardia.

If you have any comments please contact me at the E-mail address above.

Thanks,

ERIC
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: bohnert@leland.stanford.edu (matthew bohnert)
Subject: Thanks for info on White Mountain : Information Summary
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:01:35 GMT

Many thanks to all for responding to my query on White Mtn, and to 
subsequent requests about Boundary Peak in Nevada.  In all I received
over 15 responses.

Summary :

There appears to be and old jeep trail that goes to the top of White
Mtn.  There is a gate about 6-8 miles from the summit, at about 12.5K, that
closes off the road to vehicular traffic.  Camping is not allowed within
a fairly large radius of the summit ( approx 20 miles ) since it is some
sort of a research area.  The population density is much less than that of
the more popular Whitney hike.  The top can be very windy.

Two summers ago my brother and I did the 120-mile loop through Kings Canyon/
Sequoia and climbed Whitney at that time.  My plan this summer was to
drive and climb Boundary, White, Whitney and Shasta in one week, making all
climbs one-day up-and-backs; could call it something like '4 peaks in a week',
or something similarly catchy.  Has anybody tried this?


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From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Information request: Technical jobs in Arctic/Antarctic
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:57:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: gazette.11261
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <1992Apr14.205103.6290@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bray@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Bray) writes:
 >Hi.  I posted a request like this a couple of years ago and got lots
 >of good responses, but they are stale now.  Does anyone have any 
 >information/contacts about technical (EE/CS) jobs in Antarctica, the 
 >Antarctic, or Arctic regions?
 
Polar Coordination and Information Program
Division of Polar Programs
National Science Foundation
Washington D.C. 20550

Or Antartic Support Services
In Englewood Colorado (I think)
Area code is 303

U.S. Air Force also has a base in the 
Aleutian Islands
Alaska.

:-) I know they will give you a four year job :-)

Tim
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Info requested on White Mtn, Southern CA
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:00:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1992Apr6.020222.1001@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.stanford.edu (matthew bohnert) writes:
> 
> Has anybody climbed White Mtn. on the CA/Nevada border during the summer?
> I was thinking about attempting it this summer.  I'm not an experienced
> technical climber, so I would like to know if:
 
> 1)  Is it like Whitney in the summer, i.e. no snow after Mid-June,
> 	'hikable' to the top? Possibly a trail?

There's a dirt *road* to the top, and it's getting popular with cyclists.
Cars are only allowed to a gate at the 11K foot level, about 7 miles from the
14.2K summit.  In fact, even with 4WD the dirt road may not be passable all 
the way to the gate due to mud or snow.  In August it was dry and OK for 
me in a Celica.
 
No-one can say until mid-June what the mid-June snow conditions will be
like.  That's why the rangers have telephones.

> 2)  Is it like Shasta, i.e. lots of snow to the top, but no ropes required
> 	or crampons (although my friends say crampons are a must, I've done
> 	Shasta without them)?

Only the last few hundred feet of elevation are anything approaching steep.

Be sure to check out the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest.

-- 

John Reece			
Intel spokesman?  Not!           
From: ddj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Josephson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:32:29 GMT
Subject: Mt. Hood - Climbing Info Request
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry


I am looking for some information about climbing Mount Hood in Oregon.  I will
be there in late April and will be ascending from Timberline Lodge via the
South Side route (I think).  I will be traveling with 5 other folks in three
rope teams.  Our leader has climbed extensively in the Cascades.  I have
climbed in the Rockies and the Tetons, but I don't have any experience in
the Cascades (I do have a fair amount of snow climbing experience from climbing
in the Rockies).  I found one book (A Climbing Guide to Oregon, by N. Dodge)
which has some info about the climb, but I would like to find some others, if
anyone has any suggestions.

I have a couple of specific questions also:

Are crampons a necessity at this time of year?  I have Sherpa Snowshoes which
have the 'fanged' Tucker bindings, and was wondering if I could use those.
This would save me from having to borrow/rent crampons.

What are the snow and weather conditions typically like at the end of April?

Is Jack Nicholson still running around up there :^) ? 

General suggestions would also be appreciated.  Thanks in advance for your help!

Doug Josephson  ddj@fc.hp.com  Fort Collins, CO
From: aknoll@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Al Knoll)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: hiking boots need resoling
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:43:43 GMT
Organization: HP Roseville Site

In my humble opinion, Wilson Sports, Bishop Ca does the best resoling of 
*serious* boots on the left coast.  They rebuilt my Raichle Palus at a third
of the cost of new boots.  Their prowess in restoration is legendary, they're
fast, they listen to you and they know how you treasure your gear.

Steve Casimiro (sp??) in Estes Park Colorado if he's still doing work does
the best in the rockies (IMHO).

I have a pair of Lowa Civettas (EU 42 US 9) for sale.  As new 175$US.

al
From: ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Rails-to-Trails
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:56:36 GMT
Reply-To: ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

A number of recent postings under either Abandoned Places or Rails to
trails have mentioned this group. For those interested in further information
contact:

		   Rails-to Trails Conservancy
		   Suite 300
		   1400 Sixteenth Street N.W.
		   Washington, D.C. 20036

 Phone 301-797-5400

    They'll be happy to send you information, membership rates, and
a listing of various trails

Harry
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From: <ACROWSON@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: If You get Lost

In article <9411@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal Lillywhite) says:
>
>rather than trying to go to them.  If you have a whistle (which is
>highly recommended) blow three blasts at a time since 3 of anything
>is the universal distress symbol.  This will help searchers
>distinguish your whistle from those of other searchers.  Of course 3

One brief comment from the European perspective: in Britain and the alpine
countries, I have always learnt that the "universal" distress signal is SIX
whistle blasts, flashes etc. (this should be repeated at one-minute
intervals). The _rescuers_ should answer this with three whatevers.

Anthony Crowson
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: hordvik@suca01.cern.ch (Ulf Hordvik)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Telemark Randonne
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:20:31 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

With 'randonne' bindings one can fix 'snow-knives' (freely translated from french:
coutau a neige), to use when it's too steep for your skins. I've tried to find something
similar for my Telemark skies, but with no success. Does anybody know about such
a system to use with Telemark skies?

Regards Ulf Hordvik.
From: bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: tent (?) question
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:51:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Mar31.183258.1@amherst.edu> jkwatson@amherst.edu writes:
>been given a copy (1974 edition) of _The New Complete Walker_.  Fletcher
>suggests quite forcefully that if one is going to be backpacking in the summer,
>not to use a tent.  I was wondering what people thought about this suggestion,

Just the opposite.  Tents are great for comfortably repelling rain
and insects: just what you want in the summer.  I use a bivy sack
for winter.

Ed
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Backpacking Entertainment
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:49:42 GMT

>I just remembered another game, but I forget the name. Also I was
>wondering if anyone know about it and can provide me with more
>"games" (I am not sure of how to word this, but more lines to
>play with).
>
>Example: There is a dead person lying on the side of the road with
>a pack on.

It's called a Riddle.

The ones I know are:

1) There is a man lying dead in his living room with 52 bicycles scattered
around.   What are the circumstances of his death.  A: Cheating in cards.

2) A man wakes up in the morning looks around his room, pulls out a gun
and shoots himself (hint: there is sawdust on the floor) what are the
circumstances of his death.  A:  He is a midget in the circus and someone
wanted him dead, so came into the house during night and sawed of the legs
of all the furniture.  Midget woke up, thought he had grown in height and
killed himself.

3) When this person comes home from work he takes the elevator to the
3rd floor gets off and walks up the stairs to his room on 7th floor if
it is not raining.   If it is raining he takes the elevator to the 7th
floor.  What gives?  A: He is a midget and can only reach the 3rd floor
button, when it is raining he has his umbrella & can press other buttons.

--Chris