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From: weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP (Keith Weitzel)
Subject: RAIDERS Problems
Reply-To: weitzeka@ntmtv.UUCP (Keith Weitzel)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:29:28 GMT

Oh how the mighty have fallen.  The Raiders of no victories
are still looking for one.  How long will this continue.
The Raiders need to move back to Oakland.  There they had
true fans.  They ALWAYS were sold out there. And what about
their QB, come on Todd go back to school.  I think that
some of the Raider players resent havin Todd in the Game.
Todd is getting experience but at the cost of the older
players.  And now Marcus Allen.  Allen wants to leave the
Raiders because they are no longer commetted to winning.
 
Well, here is looking at a 12-4 season for the Raiders.
From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is this the first raiders team to go 0-4?
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:50:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: watserv1.BvDMvs.2IL
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <elambert.717456861@qualcom> elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert) writes:
>aesr137@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Karl Stapelfeldt) writes:
>
>>I think you had better rephrase the question: Is this the first Raider
>>team to go 0-6 ?  Yes, 0-6.  After being stomped at KC the Raiders should
>>lose to both the Giants and Bills at home in the following 2 games.
>>This is a banner season for us Raider haters.  The Raiders have so many
>>washed-up players on their roster (Schroeder, Dickerson, Lott, Gault,
>>Bruce, Turner, etc.) that it isn't funny.  Since Al Davis is a washed-up
>>owner, I guess it's appropriate.  
>
>>Raiders 4-12 in '92 !!!
>
>>                                          Karl Stapelfeldt
>
>
>Eat me.
>
>
>-Viva Plata y Negro!!

Eat you the way that KC's offence ate the Raiders last night?  Nothing I like
to see better than Okoye and Word smashing the ball down the wrinkled throat
of an aged front seven like LA's.  The Raiders are 0-4.  What a dream!!!!

Peter Brown
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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How to read standings
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:21:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <0elnP=y00WB98cvFp=@andrew.cmu.edu> cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Calvin D. Swartzentruber) writes:
>When the standings for a team are printed up, usually after the
>percentage comes two columns, a PF and a PA.  Could someone please tell
>me what these two abbreviations stand for, and what the numbers below
>them mean?  Thanx.
>
>GO EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Calvin

The PF stands for "Personal Fouls" and the number indicates the total number
of personal fouls (hitting out of bounds, roughing QB, kick to the groin, etc.)
that the team has been assessed this season.  

The PA stands for "Penalties Against"  and the number indicates how many non-
personal foul penalties have been assessed the team to date.

A quick check of the numbers should confirm this, as intimidating teams, such
as Buffalo, will have high PF numbers, while sportsmanlike teams, such as the 
Patriots, will have very few PF's 

GT, a Cowboy fan always happy to help an Eagle fan
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 20:29:27 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Distribution: na

<6342@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello) writes:
><1992Sep25.175718.21432@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) :
>><BuyK68.DtA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) :
...
>>>(Thurman Thomas and Jim Brown are the only players to lead in total yards
>>>for three straight years!)
>>
>>Hey, Thomas is good, no doubt about it - one of the best.  Smith is just
>>as good.  On any given Sunday one of them might outperform the other,
>>depending on the competition.
>
>This type of shit is real boring.

Let me introduce you to a key on your keyboard: it's called the 'n' key,
and it allows you to skip posts that you don't like.  Near as I can tell,
none of us are here to provide *you* with entertainment.


Gordon
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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: IRON CURTAIN
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:18:27 GMT

>
>But OF COURSE this wouldn't seem interesting because the Steelers get NO
>RESPECT from the national media because they're not in a BIG MARKET and the
>papers and tv programs gure they'll get MORE VIEWERS by giving more attention
>to teams in BIGGER MARKETS, even when they're having BAD SEASONS!
>

Oh, good grief.  It wasn't too long ago that one couldn't pick up
a sports magazine without reading something about the Steelers.
There hasn't been much national attention lately because they
haven't deserved it.  

Now that they're on the way back, I've been hearing more about them.   If
they go to the Super Bowl we'll hear more about them than even *you*
are able to stand.

					me
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Week #5 (REPOST) -- NOTE WEIGHTS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:36:41 GMT

Week 5
------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 3 different games.
	 You get 10 points for free since there are only 12 games.

This form is due at 10 am PST (5 pm GMT) on Sunday, Oct 4.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] Indianapolis		[ ] Tampa Bay   
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Minnesota        
[  ] [ ] Green Bay		[ ] Atlanta        
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Detroit      
[  ] [ ] Miami			[ ] Buffalo            
[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] San Francisco    
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] LA Raiders     
[  ] [ ] Washington		[ ] Phoenix       
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] Denver       
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] San Diego        
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] NY Jets      
[  ] [ ] Dallas			[ ] Philadelphia      
                               
Initials: 

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers get drilled
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:27:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?



SAN DIEGO 0  OILERS 27

This got ugly quick, and stayed ugly. Although they were down only
10 pts going into the half, there was no way they were going to pull
it out. The running game never got started. They did manage to pass
the ball a bit, but every drive stalled as the Oilers stiffened on
defense and SD stiffed into self-destruction. 

The defense played reasonable well, about as well as they could be
expected to play. Without any pressure on Moon, the secondary did a
reasonable job of covering the WRs. But White had room to run up the
middle all day long.

The offense hasn't scored in 6 quarters, and hasn't scored a TD in
10 quarters. Jefferson had a decentish game at WR. 

Next week, home vs. the Seahawks. After that, a week off, and then
@ Indy, and home to Den and Indy. Some hope may still be left if 
they can win 3 of those 4.


_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
#######################################################
From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFL teams?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:58:36 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1439@niktow.canisius.edu> bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes:
>
>does anyone have a list of all the AFL teams, and when they were around.  If
>not a list, can someone provide them for me..
>
>A steak dinner resides in this text file! :)
>
>Thanks..
>
>-- 
>ciao,                             
>Jason Bittle (bittle@niktow.canisius.edu) 
>(a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )

I assume you mean the 4th iteration of the American Football League, which
ran from 1960-1969.  (AFL #1 - 1926, champs -  Philadelphia Quakers; #2 -
1936-7, Bostom Shamrocks,Los Angeles Bulldogs; #3 1940-1, Columbus Bullies
(both years))

The Originals:
Boston Patriots 1960-69
Buffalo Bills 1960-69
Denver Broncos 1960-69
Houston Oilers 1960-69
Dallas Texans 1960-1962  Kansas City Chiefs 1963-1969
New York Titans/Jets 1960-69 (Don't know when the name change came in - '64?)
Los Angeles Chargers 1960 San Diego Chargers 1961-1969
Oakland Raiders 1960-69

The Expansion Teams:
Miami Dolphins 1966-69
Cincinnati Bengals 1968-69

You're welcome.
-- 
Marc Stephenson		    IBM AWD (Advanced Workstations Division - Austin,TX)
DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position.
INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com      VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ        IBM T/L: 678-3189
From: billm@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Bill Maguire)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:57:18 GMT
Subject: Re: giants game!!
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

    Last time Giants won at Soldier Field was 1962 ...

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From: mrein3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Matt Rein #3)
Subject: Who will be starting QB for Vikings and Jets?
To: rec.sport.football.pro
Posted-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13: 15:39 cdt
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 18:15:39 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13: 15:51 CDT

> 
> Could someone tell me who will be the starting QB for vikings this weekend,
> Gannon or Salisbury?
> Also Will Nagle or O'Brien start for Jets?
> Please e-mail me or post. Thank you.
> 
Dennis Green made it official yesterday, Rich Gannon will be starting this
week.

--
- Matt Rein
- mrein3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:12:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct6.182852.735
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1aq239INNiu9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes...

[Deletions]

>Gannon then came through with some
>crisp passing  (I really think with more exp, this
>lad will be a premier quarterback) and Roger Craig and Chris Carter
>also stepped up.  

The only problem I have with what you've said so far is about Gannon 
being a premere QB if he gets more experience.  Gannon already has 6 
years of NFL experience and lots of playing time.  I don't think more 
experience is going to make much difference.

>The next test - Detriot.  They should beat Detriot (their
>only loss has been to Detroit and that was Detroits only
>win.  A good team has to win the games they are supposed to win.
> 
>[Soon they will be tested against some real teams - Philly, Houston,
>and SF]

The Vikes are a better team than Detroit.  Not as much better as 4-1 
vs 1-4 might indicate but the Vikings are definately a better team.

They are not in the same class as Philly, Houston, or SF.  That 
doesn't mean they couldn't pull off an upset or 2.

>BTW, I think Dennis Green is on the road to Coach of the Year.  
>Any comments?

If they had s Coach of the 1st Half of the Year he'd probably have it.
But they were an 8-8 team last year after all.  You could make almost 
as good a case for Bill Cowher of the Steelers as for Green.

There's a lot of season left too.

JGH
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Should Marv Levy Be Fired?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

-doug the Dolfan- writes...
>      I certainly hope you don't think Buffalo was a better team that year.
>When they played the most important game in the season they failed. You know
>what they call a loss by one point? A loss. When the chips were down the
>better team won. Just because the Bills tend to score quickly doesn't mean
>they are a better team.

Hey Doug, why don't you try pulling your head out of your ass before 
you speak. We can hear you better that way.



Doug

                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: federkin@rtsg.mot.com (John Federkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NYJ Baxter stats wanted: running, receiving
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:55:51 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group


Anybody have the stats for Brad Baxter for yesterday?
Running, receiving, passing (?)
He's on my FFL team and my newspaper omitted that game's stats
from the box score.
Thanks,

JF 
-- 
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Motorola, Inc.				Arlington Heights, IL
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:35:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Eagles vs Bills
From: aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:16:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Sep30.191643.12032
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


THE EAGLES ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL BY FAR AND WILL GO 16-0 AND WIN THE
SUPERBOWL AND THE SCORE MON WILL BE AS FOLLOWS:

                                EAGLES 42
                                COWPUSSIES 3



BARKLEY,JULIUS,CUNNINGHAM,BARNETT,BOL.......NOW THOSE ARE SOME BAD ASS DUDES
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Subject: Re: NINERS WIN!!! YESSS!
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 00:07:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.081620.12045@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
(John P. Gloria) writes:
|>In article <1992Oct01.061942.22816@bnr.ca> emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA
(Emilio Rivera) writes:
|>>In article <holly.231@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com>,
|>>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
|>>|>In article <1992Sep28.030935.25311@PacBell.COM>
|>>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
|>>|>
|>>|>
|>>|>
|>>|>>Cofer has redeemed himself....3 FG's!.......YES.
|>>|>
|>>|>Yes, but can he do it for the next 12 games?  I sure hope so.  I was 
|>>|>absolutely amazed every time he kicked.  Considering the Saints kicker is 
|>>|>considered one of (if not THE) best kickers in the NFL, it had to boost 
|>>|>Cofer's confidence level.  Hopefully, his confidence level will remain up 
|>>                                                            
|>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
|>>|>for all the future games.
|>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>>
|>>  Yeah but what about you fairy-whiner faithful, will your confidence
|>>   level remain up for all future games???    Do you really have to 
|>>   post an article every time your FG kicker scores or fails to boot the
|>>   ball through.   FYI  we non-fairy-whiner-faithful do not
care..............
|>>   
|>>  
|>>|>Needs confidence.
|>>|>-----
|>>|>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
|>>              
|>Hey VATO, it has nothing to do with a fan's confidence. It has do with
|>Cofer's confidence. A fan's confidence has NO bearing in a NFL
|>players ability. However as a fan, we have the right to be concerned
|>about a player and his impact on a team and goal winning games.
|>It is up to the coach and the person in question to address the
|>measuring of confidence.
|>
|>I'll bet you don't have the HUEVOS to call me a fairy-whiner to
|>my face, whereas I have what it takes to refer to you as a PUTO or 
|>is it PUTA? Chill, dude (VATO).
|>-- 
|>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
|>  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
|>   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
                                           
  Hey Gloria get a life.   Your still a fairy-whiner fan and you
  don't have confidence in Cofer.  That means we have to hear
  your whining when Cofer has a bad or good day.   By the way,
  stick to English  FAIRY-WHINER-FAN.  I did not know women
  had such nasty taste in Spanish Slang..............
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From: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Subject: Question for Lion's experts
Reply-To: chipl@crchh427.BNR.CA (Chip Lewis)
Organization: "Bell Northern Research - Richardson Texas"
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:19:44 GMT


Why don't the Lions use Mel Gray in the offense and not just the special teams?
He seems like such a dangerous open field runner that you would think he could
do serious damage, especially when 8 to 11 people on the other side of the ball
are watching Barrys every move.

I wish they would line Mel up in the slot position in some 3 or 4 WR sets.
Then they could run a play action fake to Barry and throw a swing pass out
to Mel. Or have Mel go in motion and hand it off or pitch it to him on an 
end-around. Or do a double play-action (one to Barry up the middle, one to
Mel on the sweep) and then have lots of time to throw the ball downfield.

There just seem like so many more possibilities to open up the offense and  
stop everyone on the defense from keying on Barry.

Anyone have any comments?

chip
 
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From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: Miami is all hype....
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:43:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.203320.28522@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@crenshaw.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>Remember last year when K.C. beat Buffalo, there was a lot of hype.....
>Buffalo came back and beat K.C. .....Buffalo in the Super Bowl.

And lost!

>Remember two years back when Miami beat Buffalo, there was a lot of hype..
>Buffalo came back and beat Miami ...Buffalo in the Super Bowl.

And lost!

>A Miami loss this week would put the Doll fans in second..... 
>assuming this Buffalo team beats L.A.
>You better just worry about making the playoffs, especially since 
>you sucked in the first few games of the season.

See what I mean Dolphin Fans, I knew it wouldn't be too long before
them Buffalo Boys would start flappin' them jaws again.  And it's
only Tuesday!

>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
>

Cheers!


DonO

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Subject: Request game summary: Wash. v. Phoenix
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:08:43 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

   Would anyone be kind enough to tell me just what th' @#&%@$#!!! happened in
the Redskins - Cardinals game?  I wasn't able to see it, and the final score
absolutely mystified me.

   Thanks ahead of time.

Max
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: STEELERS ARE OVERRATED!
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:12:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Oct2.191318.230137@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes...

>In article <gemaQpa00VAyA9k2UH@andrew.cmu.edu>, ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christophe
>r Glenn Huegle) writes:
>>JGH says "Let's not play this if game"
>>Well, I get the impression that is what mostly happens here and
>>that is the major job of the Arm Chair quarterback, which I'm sure
>>we are in at least a little way.  The "if"s  is part of what
>>makes being a 7 day a week fan fun.  Yes, using if's won't change
>>anything.  Yes, if's can go both ways.  But it still fun to do.
>>
>>And just in defense of my if, here's a header from Tuesday's USA
>>Today, "Woodson apologizes for Steelers' loss."  This basically
>>means that Woodson thought the same thing I thought.
>>
> 
>In fact, Woodson blames himself completely for the loss.  In the Steelers
>Digest,

[Deletions]

Woodson is being polite.  If you think Woodson is responsible for this 
loss all by himself you have a very superficial understanding of the 
game.  For instance:

* The Steelers scored only 3 points im the entire game.
* The Steelers ran the ball only 5 times in the 2nd half in spite of 
  having a great deal of success in the 1st half.  (They were only 1 
  TD behind until 2 mins into the 4th quarter.)
* The blocked field goal attempt was no accident - Vinnie Clark almost 
  blocked an earlier attempt and the Steelers had already allowed a 
  blocked FG and a blocked PAT earlier in the season.
* Neil O'Donnel had 41 attempts for only 16 completions.  Lots of poor 
  passes and lots of drops.

If I really thought about it I could probably come up with more.

JGH
From: zayas@satchmo.rtp.dg.com (Mike Zayas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Question
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:34:40 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <5613@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
|> 
|> What was Tampa Bay's initial losing streak when they came into the league,
|> and what was the first team that they managed to beat?
|> 

They lost their entire inaugural season (0-14), and the first 12 games of
their 2nd season. That makes their debut a 26 game losing streak before they
beat the St. Louis Cards, and followed that with a win over the Saints.


|> Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
|> 	"Love wears a white Stetson"--Keith Richards
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