From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: ILLEGAL TO OPERATE MULTI-LEVEL WITH PURE MONEY TRANSACTIONS??
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:17:50 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide


 
>  e> What is uncivilised about Amway??  They did away with CFC's in 1974
> 
>  e> Yet you would no  doubt trust people like Salomon (of the bonds scandal
>  e> fame) and Drexel, Burnham, Lambert (of stackbroking fame)  Yet who has
>  e> been convicted of criminal offences
> 
>  >>> All you've
>  >>> actually shown is that their legal departments recognize that Amway
>  >>> has successfully avoided being convicted.
> 
>  e> Which all Milken's billions failed to achieve for him.....
>  e> or to use an Australian example Alan Bond.... or John Gotti ...or...
> 
> This is precisely why many people (most, I would venture to say) consider the
> Amway membership to be unethical. 

Wow so you can speak for most people in the world??  Why not start work for
Morgan-Gallop, with such definitive information as this you will make decisions
which will benefit the majority every time.  Actually forget Clinton and Bush,
you become president if you KNOW what MOST people want.  Why does this make
AMWAY unethical??  Just because they haven't been convicted??  Pretty daft
argument to me.  If you're not convicted you're unethical, if you are convicted
you're unethical (by definition) so what chance does ANYONE stand under your
system.

> Look at your own post:  rather than
> discussing Amway's sales practices, you prefer (like EVERY SINGLE AMWAY DRONE
> I've ever talked to, read about, or seen posted on any computer network) to
> obfuscate.

Oh dear. Like every drone you can't see past your own nose.  The original post
was about AMWAY being unethical, not about sales practices or anything else. 
The original post referred very heavily to court cases so I merely pointed out
that huge amounts of money on defence lawyers do not guarantee a win, as these
examples were designed to show.  If I'm like every single AMWAY DRONE then you
represent the stereotype opposition - totally blinkered and unable to determine
logic from irrational prejudice.  If you don't want to do AMWAY that's your
decision, just don't post blatantly false information.  I am not an active
distributor (having found other things to occupy my time) but narrow minded
people like you are just as bad as the extreme AMWAY types.  No-one forces you
to do anything in AMWAY youmust choose to do it.

>  The references to the CFC contents is specious,

Personally I take enviromental concerns seriously.  The packaging is all
designed to minimise enviromental damage, and the products beat the so called
"green" products hands down in terms of performance and biodegradability. 
Perhaps this is the crux of your problem, you look to the old way of doing
things and refuse to accept progress.


> and the references
> to someone "preferring" convicted criminals over Amway is absurd and disgusting.
>
Oh dear you really are limited in interpreting what I have written.  I never
said people prefer convicted criminals, what I said was that  the original
poster would have been quite happy dealing with these people BEFORE they were
convicted because they were a more "traditional" style of business.  You have
carefully edited my letter to avoid showing this.  You have made the absurd and
disgusting claim in that I never made the suggestion you have ascribed to me.

>  The intent, of course, is to make Amway seem so clean in comparison.  Who said
> that he/she prefers Millken to anyone else?  Nobody. All he said was that he
> preferred NOT to do business with Amway.
>
Wrong again my limited friend.  Plenty of people must have dealt with all my
examples smply because they made so much money.  If no-one deals  with you then
you will never get anywhere.  My intention was not to make AMWAY clean by
comparison - I believe they are totally clean - but to point out the illogic of
the original post.  If you don't want to deal with AMWAY that's your choice,
just as mine is to deal with them.  I accept readily that it isn't everyones
cup of tea, but will not accept that said people can denigrate what I consider
(and which the courts have ruled) to be an ethical and viable system.

 
> Here it is in a nutshell: Amway people WILL NOT tell you what your real job is
> in the organization (namely, selling still more memberships to that
> organization.)

Wrong again.  If you want to do this that's your choice but you get no money
from it.  If you show these people BY EXAMPLE how to satisfy the needs/wants of
several customers then you start earning money you start earning more.  If you
show them how to teach other s and so on then you earn more and more.  The best
part is that you can always earn more money than those people above you in the
chain.  Currently I earn more than the people up to three levels above me
because these people have stopped doing anything in terms of sales.  Sponsoring
new people does not earn you money, you can only earn money by selling product
and showing other people how to do the same.  This is the EXACT reason AMWAY
requires you to sell to 10 customers per month to qualify for a bonus.  That
way you CANNOT earn money simply by recruiting people, you must sell some
product yourself.

>  They use the hard earned banners...

These companies approached AMWAY, not the other way round.  Thus these "hard
earned banners" approach AMWAY to boost their sales.  If AMWAY is so unethical
then why do these paragons of virtue (as you seem to think of them) deal with
us?  Simply because we are efficient and VERY professional.


>  They won't even divulge the name of their "fine" organization
> when discussing it, again using the names of the products they "sell" as a
> screen for the real company.  If it looks like sleaze, and walks like
> sleaze....
>

Simply because of narrow minded attitudes like yours.  What difference does a
name make.  Theoretically none but people like you are the reason AMWAY is
marketed like it is.

Did you know that there are many different ways of Markewting AMWAY?  AMWAY
Corp. provides the sales plan, and its up to the distributor how they market
it.  If you want to go around selling AMWAY by telling everyone that its AMWAY
then go for it.  From personal experience I can tell you this doesn't work due
to attitudes such as yours.  People have based these attitudes on spurious
information (such as that containd in your post) given to them by people who
are not in full possession of the facts.  BTW even tho' I'm a distributor I
don't know the full facts on the system, I know the majority but there are all
sorts of things that I don't know.  Not because they are hidden, but because
they don'tinterest me.  If you think this is unethical how well do you know the
Road Traffic Act?  You know the most common parts but definitely not all of it.
Hence the need for lawyers etc.  Thus when we approach people we show them a
business form with no preconceived ideas, then let them know this is what AMWAY
is really like.

If it looks like its narrowminded, if it walks like its narrowminded.... 

regs

Rob

P.S. If you want a flame war mail me directly as they get very boring for other
people.  If you want to ask questions (I will answer all I can - which should
be most of them) then fire away.