HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Pathworks Netbios Layer
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: mitton@dave.enet.dec.com (Dave Mitton)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton MA


In article <LANWORKS%92092911223895@MIAMIU.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>, JMAASKANT@UTHSCSA.BITNET writes:
>From: JMAASKANT@UTHSCSA.BITNET
>Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
>Subject: Pathworks Netbios Layer
>Date: 29 Sep 92 15:19:00 GMT
>
>One of our departments did  a rather unique [groan] thing a few years back.
> 
>They are running 10-Net on top of Decnet Dos 2.0's netbios layer.
>The start up looks something like this
>.....<deleted>
>10net loads it's redirector and runs over the old Depca cards and has
>been doing so for a few years.
> 
>Recently they began experiencing intermittant crashes and we want to update
>the netbios layer (we've updated 10net, although not to the most recent
>version, to no avail, and updated their pc's to MS-Dos 5.0) in the hopes that
>a more recent version won't display the problem.
> ...<more stuff deleted>
> 
>This appears to work flawlessly (g).  However it allows only 3 connections.
>(1 server, 3 client) the 4th client gets a "time out on send" when attempting
>a (10net) NET USE.
> 
>Updating the server to Pathworks' sch/dlldepca/dnneth makes no difference.
> 
>Regressing the first three clients to connect to Decnet-Dos'
>sch/dll/dnp/netbios and leaving the 4th with the pathworks configuration
>still keeps the 4th one from connecting.
> 
>_apparently_ there is some	<my copy ends here>

Well hello UTHSCA!

	I think that your problem is that you are exhausting some resource
of the PATHWORKS stack that you didn't run into with the older un-integrated
NETBIOS/DNP stack.

	You can consult the beginning of the NETBIOS emulation section 
in the DECnet-DOS Programmer's Guide for all the switches that you can
add to the DNNETH line to increase NETBIOS structures.
	The total number of sessions is controlled by the NCP DEFINE EXECUTOR
MAX LINKS parameter.  NETBIOS sessions are emulated with DECnet so this
number should be the total of all expected links on the node.

	Dave.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: gui problem?
From: "(Stephen Frazier)" <steve@RESEARCH1.BRYANT.EDU>
Date: 01 Oct 1992 14:53:12 -0400
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Dear Netlanders,
 
I recently installed a product called Z-mail on one of our
DECStation 5000 machines running Ultrix.  It runs from the
console in the graphical user interface mode.  However,
when using PATHWORKS DOS386 and running the application
as a client on a server and displaying it on the PC,
the following error message is issued:
 
  Error: Can't Open display
 
Someone suggested that the problem might be fixed by invoking
the command:  xhost +
but apparently it is not on the system.  The error is puzzling,
however, since SAS runs in the gui mode and works fine from
PATHWORKS workstations (PCs).
 
Any ideas/suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Thanks!
 
Steve Frazier
Bryant College, Smithfield RI
steve@research1.bryant.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom)
Subject: RE: PW version question
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:00:45 GMT
X-Posted-Via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

>                       CF0@PSUALT.BITNET (Craig Farrell)
>                              PW version question
>
>Just picked up lastest savesets for PW server.  There were two
>sets of savesets on the CD.  One looked like 4.1C and the
>other is 4.1-1A I believe.  What is the 4.1C? 

    V4.1.-1A has what 4.1C has. If my memory serves me right, the difference
    is that 4.1C supports VMS 5.3, which V4.1-1A doesn't.

    If you have VMS V5.4 or higher, just install V4.1-1A.
        
    ...petri (backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com)
       Personal Computing Integration Engineering
       Digital Equipment Corporation
From: copeland_rp@corning.com (Richard P. Copeland)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: MAILworks/TeamLinks comments requested
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:25:36 -0500
Organization: Corning Incorporated

We are in the process of evaluating DEC's MAILworks and TeamLinks products
for use on a system with approximately 300 ALL-IN-1 IOS subscribers who desire 
a LAN-based e-mail solution.

If there is anyone out there who has implemented such a solution, I would be
grateful if you could supply me with the following information about your
experiences with the products:

	1. Was this solution able to handle your volume of mail effectively?
	2. Have you seen any changes in CPU and/or disk utilization?
	3. How difficult was the conversion from IOS to TeamLinks?
	4. What training was required?
	5. What has been the user reaction?
	6. What problems and gotchas should we be aware of?

Thanks in advance ... please e-mail your responses to me and I will summarize
to the net.

=============================================================================

Richard P. Copeland				copeland_rp@corning.com
Project Leader, Information Technology		GEnie: R.COPELAND
Corning Incorporated				CompuServe: 71401,1170
Corning, NY					AppleLink: AM0357
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: Performance Problems with File Services
From: dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix)
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:35:29 GMT
Organization: Monsanto Agricultural Company
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

In article <9210011642.AA05928@maxwell.concordia.ca>, mikeb@MAXWELL.CONCORDIA.CA writes:
> Hello everyone;
>  
> We are currently having major performance problems with one of our labs.
> Here's a rough idea of our configuration.
>  
> Server:
> Microvax 3100-80
> V6 Mb RAM
> Pathworks Disk RZ25 426 MB
> System Disk RZ24 209 MB
> VMS 5.5-1 (with various patches)
> Pathworks 4.1
>  
  Clustered or not?

>  
> 1. Remote boot works quite well. Actually this part is fast.

  Done via LAD..

> 2. Connecting to application disk services and loading those appications are
> also quite fast.

   Also done via LAD..

> 3. Mounting a file service takes quite a long time (between 5 and 10 minutes)
> when performance gets bad (somewhere after 15 to 20 active users).

  LANSESS loaded??

  We have been having problems with the File Service performance lately.  We are 
currently blaming it on the lock master not being on the server, however I think
that is smoke..  I noticed VMS V5.5.  One of the factors changing when we began
having performance problems on File Services was moving to 5.5.  Anyone done a 
straight up migration from VMS 5.4 to 5.5 with Pathworks?  Any performance headaches
following such a move.  We always seem be changing configurations at the same time
which confuses the issue.

Thanks

-- 
Mike Mattix
Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com
Xref: sparky vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:2918 vmsnet.mail.pmdf:2392
From: martinea@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Alain Martineau)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: Re: Summary: Mail system to use with PathWorks
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:33:11 GMT
Organization: Hydro Quebec

In article <1992Sep25.212550.1@myrddn.mits.com.au>, alistair@myrddn.mits.com.au writes:
> 
> In article <1992Sep9.214100.3556@mits.com.au>, 
> alistair@mits.com.au (me) writes:
> > We are currently in the process of connecting all our PC's to the
> > network using PathWorks, and I am trying to determine the most
> > appropriate mail system to put in place.  It must be able to integrate
> > with VMS Mail.
> > 
> > The possibilities seem to be:
> > 
> > 1.	The unsupported mail client.  This is a DOS application and
> > 	most of our users use Windows, so this is a bit clunky.
> > 
> > 2.	Microsoft Mail as licensed with MS Office.  Has anyone
> > 	integrated this with PMDF?
> > 
> > 3.	DEC's Mailworks.
> 
> Two mail systems were reported in responses:
> 
> 	DEC MAILworks
> 	WordPerfect Mail
> 
> The person who is using WordPerfect Mail is quite happy with it.  We
> are moving to MS Office, so aren't interested.
> 
> Most of the responses were for MailWorks, and most people seem to be
> quite happy with it.  One person criticised the interface (buttons not
> working, menu items not being updated), and the mail editor.
> 
> There were no responses in relation to MS Mail, so I'll be
> investigating that further myself.
..

	I am looking at Microsoft mail for internal use but I also need a gateway to
VMSmail. Is there such a thing ?
thanks.

Alain Martineau
martineau@macmartineau.ccr.hydro.qc.ca
Hydro Quebec
11th floor East Tower Complexe Desjardins
PO Box 10000, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H5B 1H7
From: HOLDREGE+_MP%A1%PacifiCare@MCIMAIL.COM (Matthew Holdrege)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: 3COM Etherlink III anyone?
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:26:00 GMT
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>Has anyone got any experience with the new 3Com Etherlink-III boards yet, that
>they'd be willing to share? The price looks good...
 
They don't seem to work very well with Pathworks. Below are the bench mark
times of the 3Com Etherlink III 16-bit 10base-T card vs. the DEC 16-bit
DEPCA BNC card. Disclaimer: this was a simple test on a busy network. We
tested these on side by side 386's. Your mileage may vary.
 
 
               	    	      	   DEPCA     	  Etherlink
 
          Sethost   	      	   :3 sec    	  :6 sec
 
          File transfer (2.6 MB)   :10	     	  :13
 
          Load Timeline	(App)      :6	     	  :12
 
 
It appears that the Etherlink III card requires an additional 8K of
conventional memory for the NDIS driver.  We received assistance from 3Com
technical support while configuring the board but they couldn't help us
with Pathworks performance.
 
Matt Holdrege   5156065@mcimail.com   holdrege@eisner.decus.org
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Notebooks on ethernet
From: sherriff@wronz.org.nz
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:19:13 +1200

We want to connect PC notebooks to our pathworks network preferably through
ethernet. We tried this 2 years ago using a device plugged into the parallel
printer port but without much success.

Is anyone doing this successfully now? Any suggestions?

Thanks...

-- 
John Sherriff                    Internet:  SHERRIFF@WRONZ.ORG.NZ
Computer Manager                      PSI:  (05301)30000047::SHERRIFF
Wool Research Organisation
Christchurch                    Telephone:  (+64) (+3) 325 2421
New Zealand                           Fax:  (+64) (+3) 325 2717
From: KRAMER_AG@RSO.DNET.GE.COM (Aaron Kramer GE Hypersonic Systems Dept 215-354-4355)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Win 3.0 Setup / PW 4.1
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:27:41 GMT
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1. I remember reading that some have moved the PCSV41 file service
   to a disk service. Have those people experienced any problems
   with doing this? Is it as straightforward as it seems? It appears
   to me that I can up the logon speed if we move from file -> disk.
 
2. I am trying to follow the PW4.1 docs fir uSoft Windows Support,
   and after creating a disk service, I ran WIN3SETU and the
   displays did not match the manual, p2-4. I wasn't asked about
   DEPCA mouse, LK250 keyboard, network driver, or system type.
   Since subsequent installs from this application disk service
   have failed, I am beginning to question the process as outlined
   in the docs. As I see it:
 
    - install win 3.0 (or win3.1) on a disk service
    - go around to the remote boot clients, installing off the service
    - modify the config/autoexec/autouser to be 'optimized' for the
      environment.
    It seems like an awful lot of work, perhaps work that has been
    done before? There are ~50 DEC316sx, with 3MB RAM, and Turbo 201
    cards. I can make them all the same if I want, but where can I find
    'canned' successful configurations, without resorting to edlin, config.sys
    and multiple reboots with memman's?
 
Aaron Kramer
kramer_ag@rso.dnet.ge.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: PCMAIL nicknames
From: jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:44:03 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: as little as possible

Greetings,
Does anyone have any idea how to get mail address aliases
to work with PCMAIL on an individual user basis?
I noticed that when processing a mail address PCMAIL does
seem to use logicals on the server system that have been
defined system wide.  But since the login.com isn't run
for the mail session a users own nicknames don't get accessed.

Thanks
JIm
From: CF0@PSUALT.BITNET (Craig Farrell)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: PW4.1,WIN3.1 net paths update
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:42:00 GMT
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Original_To:  PCSA

I posted a note about counter problems related to using network paths
in Windows to start file service applications.  When exiting Word
for Windows 2 the counter didn't go down until you exited Windows.
Well I found something interesting out.  If you exit Word start any
other application(network or not) and then exit that app the Word
counter drops back to where it should.  Seems like Windows is hanging
on to that net path even though the app has closed.  I don't know
if this is a Windows bug or a PCSA.drv problem.
 
       Craig Farrell                       Penn State Altoona Campus
       CF0@PSUALT.bitnet                   225 CLRC Building
       (814) 949-5295                      Altoona PA,  16601
From: CF0@PSUALT.BITNET (Craig Farrell)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: PW4.1, Win3.1
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:25:00 GMT
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Original_To:  PCSA

I have just moved Word for Windows over to a file service so I could
use network paths to start the application.  This way I can control
software copies by setting counts using SET FILE command in AD/PC.
This didn't work with disk services under windows.  Well it worked
rather well to say the least.  You can even install Word over the
net using network paths.  On the run command from the file menu
I entered the following to start Word setup.(\\server\wwordv2\setup.
Setup ran and I setup for workstation install.  One question asked
for some disk in A drive.  I put above net path and it was happy.
I guess it was just looking for location of Word files.  Install
went fast and it even enters network paths in WIN.INI.  Very clean.
Performance seems ok.  We have a 6000-510 with 64 meg ram.  We are
in the process of replacing it with a 4000-500.  Granted this might
not work with less powerful servers.
 
Well everything sounds great right!  Not quite.  I ran into one
snag.  I set my count in AD/PC and ran a test.  Seems when a user
starts Word this way and then exits Word the counter doesn't go
down right away.  I waited awhile and it seems to stay there even
though the user is not using the application.  When I exit Windows
the count goes right down.  Party foul!  Anybody have any clues on
this one.  I was wonder if there is some timer that updates
this counter.  Almost seems like PW thinks user is still accessing
the application after they exit it.  Even if it would time out after
awhile it would cause problems if you are always working around
your softare count limit.  Also, when a user tries to start Word
and the limit is exceeded they don't get a very informative message
from Windows.  It says something about not being able to access
Word executables.  Users would be miffed.
 
If this would work it would solve alot of problems we have controling
software in a setting where we use many apps.  Funny thing about
Pathworks.  The books tell you alot about setting up services and
such but from there its up to the user.  Installing and controling
apps under Windows should be addressed somewhere.  DOS apps are
not that bad provided you are pretty good with batch files.  Well
at least I'm alittle closer to where I need to get!!
 
       Craig Farrell                       Penn State Altoona Campus
       CF0@PSUALT.bitnet                   225 CLRC Building
       (814) 949-5295                      Altoona PA,  16601
From: ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: General Failure on netbind
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:11:39 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

I am trying to set up a PATHWORKS for ODS session in an OS/2
DOS VDM.  I have previously got it working on other machines,
but one stumps me.  The PATHWORKS startup fails when NETBIND executes.
The message generated is PRO 0021E General Failure.  Does anyone
know what this means?

Thnaks in advance,
Mark Kosten
(ccmk@latrobe.edu.au)
From: br197@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael T. Gercevich)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: Re: LOTUS 123 R.3.1
Date: 30 Sep 1992 10:19:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br197@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael T. Gercevich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, LANWORKS@HUDCE0.BITNET (Judy Constantine, 617495-0517)) says:

>
>        We're running PW 4.0, and recently upgraded a user to
>        Release 3.1 of Lotus.  Now the PC hangs at the title screen
>        when 123 is started up.  Has anyone had this problem, or
>        better yet, SOLVED this problem?  Lotus says it's an
>        incompatibility with the PW drivers, or maybe QEMM.
>        Any hints or suggestions would be welcome.
> 
>        Thanks,
>                                        Judy Constantine
>                                        Harvard University
>                                        Div. of Continuing Education
> 
>                                        CONSTANT@HUDCE0.HARVARD.EDU
>                                        CONSTANT@HUDCE0.BITNET
>

We have had intermittant hangs in Lotus 123 ever since we switched
to DOS 5.  I also hade problems in Windows.
The fix was to set up the memory manager so that it doesn't move the
extended bios data area.  DOS 5's EMM386 undocumented NOMOVEXBDA
parameter fixed a lot of problems we were having.  QEMM also has
a switch like this.  Check your manual.


-- 
Michael Gercevich  -- PC/Network Analyst  -- Squire, Sanders & Dempsey
(216)687-3452  --  FAX: (216)687-3452  --  br197@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Local printer sharing + Hardware key = Problem
From: Marco van den Berg <M.VAN-DEN-BERG@CGNET.COM>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:43:00 PHL
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Netland:
 
A while back, I posted a message asking for experiences with local queued
printers (using LAT) and hardware keys on the LPTx port.  It took a while, but
our software vendor (ESRI, makers of ARC/Info) came back to us with the
following:
 
"I am waiting on a reply from the manufacturer of our PC Key in
regards to having a newer version of the key that does not come
into conflict with the network protocols.  I will let you know
what they respond as soon as I get the answer."
 
I suppose there may be more people out there struggling with this, so I
decided to post it here.  Once I get word on the final solution I'll post it
here as well.  To me it looks like the software vendors would be better off
forgetting about this silly stuff.  I wish there would be a way in which
network operating systems like pathworks would allow paranoid sw vendors (like
MicroSoft and ESRI) to somehow make use of something like LMF, to assure them
that the dollars come rolling in.  Or is it true that Bill Gates has got more
money than he knows what to do with these days???
 
Marco van den Berg
International Rice Research Institute
Manila, Philippines
 
- Usual disclaimers...
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
From: apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Kathleen Applegate)
Subject: Re: Looking for VT Terminal Emulation Software
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:43:58 GMT

"Frank (Chip) Dyer x9568 ..Electrical Design" <DYERFDF@HSDWL.UTC.COM> writes:
> 
>   I am looking for a *GOOD* VT3xx (VT2xx last choice) shareware or public
>   domain terminal emulation package (DOS).  I specifically want one that
>   can co-exist with PathWorks (DOS-VMS).
> 
>   I am looking for recommendations/reviews, and how to obtain these
>   packages - Via FTP would be best.   Platform: DOS 5.0 & VAX VMS A5.5.
 
Kermit gets my vote.  I use ver. 3.12 everyday on a PathWorks 4.1a
network with zero problems.  It is freeware, and it can be FTP'd
from Columbia University:  watsun.cc.columbia.edu (128.59.39.2)

The full release files for version 3.11 are in directory:  kermit/a

The executable for beta 3.12 is:  kermit/bin/mstibm.exe
(Source for the beta version won't be made freely available until
3.12 becomes officially bless-ed.)

The update summary on 3.12 is:  kermit/test/msr312.upd

There is a version of Kermit available for the Macintosh
(as well as a few hundred other platforms).
--
Kathleen Applegate, Sr. Analyst      apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov           
Marshall Space Flight Center             Voice:  (205) 544-7656
From: chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (Ta Fuh Chiam)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: PCSA MAIL looping?
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:55:04 GMT
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>For all but one VMS account, Pathworks MAIL (V4.1.005) works fine. But, for
>one account, PCSA$Mail_wxyz loops. Assuming the problem is the user's, I've
>renamed his *.mai files - PCSA$Mail still loops. When the uses logs into his
>account and uses the DCL MAIL command, there are no apparent problems - users
>can send to him and he is able to send messages too.
 
Can you be a little more specific? What do you mean by it "loops"?
 
 
============================================================================
Ta Fuh Chiam
Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
Copeland Hall 22                   INTERNET : chiam@vulcan.cba.ohiou.edu
Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu
                                   BITNET   : CHIAM@OUACCVMB
                          Use my first Internet address if at all possible.
Disclaimer: What I have said are my opinions, not of anyone else.
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From: mikeb@MAXWELL.CONCORDIA.CA
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Performance Problems with File Services
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:12:05 GMT
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Hello all.
 
Thanks Bill, Dave and Gary for your comments. They have been helpful.
 
Here's an update.
 
The server's memory has been upgraded from 16Mb to 48 Mb. After readjusting
the memory, caching parameters we found that there was no observable improvement
   .
 
Further monitoring showed that the bottleneck seemed to be disk io with respect
to the access of the service database that happened to be on the system disk.
The DEC guru who was helping us could not understand why this was happening
So as a work around, a RAM disk was installed on the server and the service
database was moved there. Immediately, the file service performance improved
to what has been described in previous postings to this list server.
 
My question is, and it may be a stupid one because I am no VMS whiz, why
didn't the caching take care of this? Access to this file was read only,
and the high io rate seemed to indicate that if anything was in the cache
it would be the the service database. Setting up a RAM disk in this case
has merely served to provide the equivilant of a dedicated chunk of cache.
 
Any comments?
 
Thanks.
 
 
 
--
Mike Babin
Computing Services       Concordia University      Montreal, Quebec, Canada
mikeb@maxwell.concordia.ca     Tel:  (514) 848-7646     FAX:  (514) 848-7622