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From: sane@cs.uiuc.edu (Aamod Sane)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:02:16 GMT

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>sane@cs.uiuc.edu (Aamod Sane) writes:

>>Quite. But are the artists starving or what? Goddam anemic drawings!
>>Give me Charles Vess any day...

>I like the current artwork. Perhaps because I loathed Shawn McManus' smiles so
>much... and Vess is a little flat for me; OK for Shakspir, I guess.

Who was the artist for the issues in the interlude? The cats issue,
the one about the writer etc.? I liked his work also.
And yes, Shawn M knows how to draw only one face, and a idiotic smile.

>>About Destruction, I think the idea is Change rather than random violence.
>>Remember the last conversation - 
>>DL: what is the word for the time when things don't remain the same
>>DR: Change
>>DL: I was afraid of that...

>Hmm. But, we have already had stuff about Del & change: the bit when she's
>hanging out with the "hindustrial haccident" woman, the bit when she remembers
>Destruction and Change... it could equally well be a theme for the issues, or
>the reason Del wants to speak to Destruction...

I think that the role of Destruction is the control of rather than
creation of destruction. I think the timing of his disappearance
coincides with outbreak of violence - major wars, inquisitions,
empire building etc. - the dark ages.

Aamod

QOTD:

A post on alt.angst:
 "[Cheerful shit deleted]
 ......
 Obviously, you are too young and naive to have realised the utter futility
 of life. We are here because our parents had a few moments of meaningless 
 lust that they did not enjoy. Our parents did not raise us because they
 love us, for who can love a mewling, puking infant? They did because they
 were genetically programmed to. Once we are grown, we will have our
 meaningless lusts with someone we do not love, someone who does not love
 us, or both. We will probably have children who do not love us either and
 will leave home at the earliest opportunity. We'll work in meaningless jobs,
 and our work will not affect anybody's lives, except to slightly annoy
 someone. When we die, only those we owe money to will mourn our being
 dead before we returned their money. "  
	-- Eric Murray, alt.angst
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: PAD's Writing Article
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 09:27:17 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I have no problem with the article being posted.  Just be sure to indicate
where it first saw print.

PAD

PS--By the way, thank you for going to all the trouble.
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Organization: The Endless Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:00:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.215821.7681@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>Which means that Desire said "Big Brother, I'm watching you" at
>least 16 years before 1984 was published. This is an anachronism;
>but then, time seems to be more fluid for the Endless then for us
>(viz. Delirium's punked-out look in Heroic Greece).

If Death can be reading Cosmo in ancient Greece, then Desire can certainly
have read _1984_ before it was printed. 

(Or did the heroic Greeks have their own version of Kosmo? "Twelve Great
Toga looks to Help You Get a Man" "Do Philosophers make better lovers?"
"Henna: What it really does to your hair." "How you can help stop the
spread of Stoicism.") 
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image gets competition?
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:09:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct16.040920.9619
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct15.200414.22520@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
> In article <1992Oct15.145338.16764@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct15.050626.26445@sol.UVic.CA>, jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
> >> 
> >Verry Interesting!  Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all these people
> >done work for Dark Horse sometime during their illustrious careers?  Well,
> >maybe not Art Adams.

Damn.  I could have sworn I HAD deleted that last line when I remembered
the stuff Adams had made for DH.  :-)

-- 
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			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (Mike Mignola)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:21:43 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1992Oct7.115842.17311@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.032325.23687@wam.umd.edu> gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:

>>	Mike Mignola might do a good job.

>	According to Gaiman, Mignola is supposed to do the giant 50th
>issue.  We'll see.  (personally, I can't wait...I think I'm actually
>one of the few people who likes Mignola's art!)

Really?  I heard it was gonna be P Craig Russell.  Of course Russell and
Mignola have done a fair amount of work together, so it could very well
be the two of them.

(Russell, incidentally, is very much MY dream SANDMAN artist, as well as
having a very distinct and appropriate style--very ornate and stylized--
he does the worlds *best* dream sequences.  Check out the back issues of
NIGHT MUSIC (three issues, published by Eclipse in the early 80s) for
proof.  Accordingly, SANDMAN #50 is probably my most eagerly awaited
single issue.)

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
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From: mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Matthew Braun)
Subject: Re: Simon Bizley Question
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:53:01 GMT

003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE) writes:
>Bizley's currently working on DREDD RULES! by Fleetway(/Quality).

??? This seems unlikely, as DREDD RULES! is strictly a reprint book. (Doing
covers?  Well, that's a possibility.  He did some Dredd strips for a British
Rock-zine (whose name escapes me at the moment).

I'd bet that the Mr. Monster story that appears is the one published in
BLAST! #1.  (It was recently reprinted somewhere--Heavy Metal, perhaps?)  I
recall reading somewhere that his next project is supposed to come out from
Tundra publishing.  I know they're publishing two of his paintings as
posters.

					m@

+-mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+
|   Matt Braun -- Motorola, |    Transformations that were too hard to find   |
|  Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride|
+---------------------------+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman: Man of Steel 18
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:01:34 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Walrus and April) writes:

}Portrayals of imbalanced people are dangerously skewed 
}as it is without having a "lunatic" kill off one of our cultural icons and 
}perpetuate the myth.  When you tell someone that you are imbalanced, their
}reactions are shaped by the things they've been shown in movies, books, and TV
}telling them that anyone who is "not right mentally" is either a) a serial 
}killer, b) a sexual molester, or c) some even more ludicrous stereotype, 

Anyone who's views of real people are shaped by portrayals of comic book 
villians has a little mental problem of his own.

--James Preston

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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Sandman ... (and other random stuff)
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:38:18 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <1992Oct9.213301.6295@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Bear in mind that while Sandman is popular and profitable, it isn't
>incredibly so.  (Wasn't it something like number sixty in terms of
>sales?)  Also DC isn't exploiting it to the hilt.  In my own opinion,
>this is wise:  The value to DC (image, PR, related titles) of having
>a title of Sandman's caliber is far more than they could recoup if
>they were to milk it for all it was worth.

I recall a while back, someone asked an Official Marvel Person why they
didn't do something like SANDMAN, and the response was along the lines
of "why should we?  It sells as well as DR. STRANGE."

However, from a purely economic standpoint, SANDMAN is much more 
profitable than the circulation figures would indicate, simply because
of the reprint volumes.  As I understand it, the revenue brought in
from them is basically pure gravy (especially at the prices they charge
for them--I know color printing is expensive, but $20 for 8 issues?).

Furthermore, the reprint volumes, by appearing in "real" bookstores, are
attracting an audience to DC that doesn't normally read comic books--a
fact of incalculable importance, especially since they've basically 
lost the battle for the kiddie-superhero market.

Marvel is simply being short-sighted here.  When reprints of last year's
DR STRANGE storylines start selling in large quantities from non-traditional
outlets--then the comparison will be valid.

(By the way, what's DR STRANGE doing these days?  I haven't really read
anything more recent than the excellent Engelhart run in the mid-seventies.
I recall that the mid-eighties run (Roger Stern?) was well thought of 
on the net when it came out, but I've heard damn little about it since
then.)

(Also, just what efforts are being made to sell comics to non-comics
audiences these days?  I gather that some of the indies (mostly the
autobio/underground types like Drawn & Quarterly and Fantagraphics)
are trying to get into record stores (which makes a lot of sense--
several of my indie-rock-snob friends who would never go into a comic
shop just *love* HATE), but what else is being done?)

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: Re: PAD.  Is it really him?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:38:33 GMT

jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:
>Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently)
>Hulk fame?

yes it is. I have mailed him...its the real thing.

Jester
-- 
I am the broken glass that cuts your sticky fingers.
I am the hero that every world and every culture needs!
I am the sequins on the Jumpsuit of Justice.
I am the corn on crime's big toe.
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD. Is it really him?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:56:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Oct13.003644.23018@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>>~Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently)
>>~Hulk fame?

>>In article <1992Oct12.181519.17002@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
> [yes]

>>In article <92cj02Mq25ob01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
> [yes, adding details]

>>In article <1992Oct9.164044.21836@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com writes:
> [yes, adding details]

>>In article <70615@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes:
> [yes, adding details]

Hey!! You forgot me!! I said yes, too!!

>C'mon, give the poor guy a break.  It's *A* Peter David.  Next you'll have
How many Peter Davids would you like?

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: cerebus 162 - the clinician
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:46:40 GMT

aoki@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Paul M. Aoki) writes:
>Hey!  Blossom isn't the waitress from Dino's pub with a dye-job and
>a fake-o Jaka-type accent, is she?

I was going to mention this but it just slipped my mind... note how
the Roach is saying "Spirit!  Spirit!  Spirit!" interleaved with
"Flesh!".

Anyhoo, Spirit and Blossom were two characters (sisters) from Kamandi
who looked just like the Blossom here, and spoke like her as well
(Well, not "Fuck me", but you know).  Same effect with the hair
covering the breast as well (Kamandi being comics code, and they never
wore tops...).


-- 
He who believes the past cannot be changed has not yet written his memoirs.
From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SilverFang Ahroun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2G2C.II
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

raboles@eos.ncsu.edu (RODNEY ALLEN BOLES) writes:

>I had a hard time with all the Xmen/Xforce swipes. I wonder what Marvel's
>lawyers think of all of this?  The four armed guy was STUPID. A bad idea!!
>It actually ruined the first issue for me. Speaking of never having had
>an anatomy lesson!!! Sheeesh!!

Okay, I have to say this: If you read comics fairly often, you wind up
accepting comic reality instead of the reality we all deal with from 
day to day. Basically, comic reality is a lot more fun. If you can 
deal with people bouncing bullets off their chest, flying and shooting
raybeams from their eyes, why is a guy with more arms on one side
of his body than the other so hard to deal with? Yes, it would
probably not work..but I think it's better to try drawing something
different than to just do "another guy/girl with four arms" in the
conventional manner.


Axly
From: vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2
Date: 10 Oct 92 08:19:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Siderman?  Didn't he and Suicide Squid have that
big cross-company crossover back in the early 80's?
(I'm sorry, my copy of the SS-Sidey crossover was
lost in a flood last year, so I couldn't look it
up.)  Anyhow, could some kind soul who has this
please send me a summary of the plot, since it's
been years since I've read it.  Also, what's the
origin story of this new Siderman?

Curiously,
Jon

-- 
 Jon Hughes | vapspyo@prism.gatech.edu | "As your elf touches the gold 
------------+--------------------------+   doorknob, 45,000 Volts of 
 electricity run through his body.  Your elf is now charcoal. What does
   your wizard do?"  "He calls the Dungeon Master a jerk." - FoxTrot
From: 6500topo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rabid Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Love & Rockets fans ("the comics book")
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:20:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.234134.9226@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> MATMNB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BRAZIL,Marcus N) writes:

>In <L6gHsB9w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca writes:
>  
>> You're not the only one out there.   Love & Rockets is wonderful.
>> 
>> So where is Maggie and when will we see her again?

>In the next issue, a double-size tenth anniversary issue, due out
>in a month or two...
>                    ....Marcus Brazil.......

I thought the only 10th annyversary celebration was the little
"Ten years of L&R" book.

Anyone is going to meet Los Bros during their USA tour????

Paolo

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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Milligan Request
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:06:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.065728.4708@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> MATMNB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BRAZIL,Marcus N) writes:
>
>By the way, I agree that _Skin_ is an excellent, provocative graphic novel.
>I was a bit unconvinced by the violent ending, which felt like something
>out of an E.C. horror comic, but this was more than made up for by the powerful
>writing and convincing characterizations of the earlier parts of the book.
>Also, the art by McCarthy and Swain is very impressive (IMHO). Another
>first-rate project from Tundra.

I agree, the ending did seem to step over the line from realism to ... erm...
bizarre fantasy!  By the end I wasn't sure whether this was a 'true' ending
or a peek inside Martin's mind...whatever, it was certainly a powerful image,
and almost a 'happy ending' (for Martin, at least). It's hard to put it into
words really - the first time I read it I thought - 'Is that it?!?', and about
a minute after I closed the book, the image had burned itself into my brain 
and there was a lump in my throat (aaargh embarassing personal revelations!
Don't you hate it when people get all sloppy about their favourite book/film?).

Anyway, one of the best 'comics' I have read this year.

Mike
From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: The Incredible Hulk
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:37:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello.

I'm interested in getting a bunch of back issues of The Incredible Hulk.  
I'm primarily interested in Dale Keown's work, but was wondering when Peter 
David started writing the book (which issue);  did Peter write the 
McFarlane issues as well?  The price guides only list the artists and 
rarely give any information on the writers.

Thanks,
 - Wayne.
P.S. If you happen to want to unload your copies of the above Incredible 
Hulk comics for a reasonable price (below, preferably WAY below, guide),
E-Mail me with issues and asking price. 
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From: jacob@tcs.com (Jacob Butcher)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:16:31 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden):
> ] What I *don't* have a theory for is how they know Destruction is on earth.
>
> Oh, that's easy!  That missing cosmic entities will be hiding on Earth 
> and that random time-travel will cause the subjects to wind up in the
> twentieth century are special cases of the same Universal Law.

Actually, random time-travel from any time *other* than the
twentieth-century should be to the twentieth century.  Random time-travel
from the twentieth-century itself can be to any time, although a
corollary notes that there is a 90% chance it will be to one of a small
number of well-known times, such as Jesus' era, the American west, Camelot,
a generic (and usually anachronistic) dinosaur era, the sinking of Atlantis,
and a few others.  (Some, like the LSH's or Guardians of the Galaxy's eras,
are obviously specific to certain companies' books, making you wonder just
how much of a bribe it takes to violate the laws of physics.)
From: lawson@mdc.com (Jim Lawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: gender benders
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:36:11 GMT
Reply-To: Lawson%ssdvax.decnet@lbgwy.mdc.com
Organization: MDSSC-SSD
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

: >Gender benders, hmmmmmm........
: >1.  "Mama" from 3x3 Eyes
: >2.  Desire of the Endless, depending on who's watching
: >3.  Lobo (we need a *man*woman*squirrel* category here)
: >4.  Ziggy (Computer on QL)
: >5.  Shade
: >6.  Lassie
: >7.  Mockingbird
: >8.  Ranma, natch!  Grab those buckets......
: >9.  KD LANG!!!!!
: 10) Rebis

Which comics did these charactors come from ?

I know Ranma came from Ranma
       Shade           Shade the changing man

Thanks :-)
	
--
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:46:11 GMT

 gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:
>	Mike Mignola might do a good job.  He can't draw feet though.  (I'm 
>serious about this.  Check anything you have by Mignola and try to find a good
>foot.  You'd be fortunate to find a foot at all.)

Actually, Jill Thompson isn't all that good at feet. They tend to look like
the Chinese ideal - small lumps with toes marked by parallel lines. They're OK
when people are waving them about in a casual manner, I suppose (& balancing
frogs on them is just dandy), but when standing on them... <shudder>

Still, they're better than big curving stuck-on smiles

Tanaqui


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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (H. R. Costigan)
Subject: M #4
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:29:25 GMT

Did anyone else pick up Jon J Muth's _M_ Book Four?  I'm really
glad it's finally out, but when I read it, it seemed that the
killer doesn't look like Peter Lorre now.  I seem to remember
(I could be mistaken) that the killer was drawn so as to have
some resemblence to Lorre in the first three.  Did some lawsuit
pop up (I thought the book was "official" in some way)?  Or am
I just imagining things?
--
                               Curt Tsui
                           curt@Virginia.EDU                                  
    "I've got a peculiar weakness for criminals and artists -- neither
                takes life as it is." -- Stanley Kubrick