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From: MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu (Mike Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The price of a CD?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:00:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92281.130048MDJ102
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct7.102253.23758@abo.fi>, HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman
DC) says:

>Now, does anybody now how many % of the price the manufacturing cost stands
>for, how much the artist gets, how much the record company gets, and so on?
>Take somebody like Van Halen or anybody "megastar" as an example.

From the CD booklet of "Fortune Cookie Prize," the Beat Happening tribute
album on the Simple Machines label:

"...a package deal for 1000 CDs costs between $2500 and $4000.  When you
break that down it comes to $3.50 to $3 per single CD.  This means that most
stores mark up CDs at least 400%.  That's only what it costs to put out a
paltry 1000 CDs.  The manufacturing price dips even lower when you get into
the 10,000 range creating an even more insane profit margin (but then the
major labels have to get money to make those MTV videos *somewhere*)."

Simple Machines is an independent label, and this doesn't seem to take in
account the royalties paid to artists (or at least major-label artists).

A recent article in the Philadelphia Inquirer stated that major stores in
the United States, such as Tower Records, pay anywhere from $9-$11 to buy
CDs.  It's either the manufacturer or the distributor that makes the huge
markup.

Hope this helps.

>Just FYI, here in Finland a CD is about FIM 100, that is about USD 22...

New CDs in mall stores are on sale for $13.99 in the Philadelphia suburbs.
Regular priced CDs are about $15.99-$16.99.  The selection often does NOT
include independent-label albums and any other stuff beyond the latest Garth
Brooks and Marky Mark albums, and the salespersons often don't know anything
beyond those two artists.  (My favorite things to do are to go into a mall
record store and when the salesperson comes up to ask if I "need any help?,"
I ask for either some super-obscure band, or a band or an album that just
doesn't exist.  Then I get to watch them stupidly thumb through the same
rack of CDs that I thumbed through ealier and failed to find the album I
wanted, and then have them say, "No, we don't have it." What a bunch of
time-wasters....

Good stores here sell even new releases anywhere between $10.99 and $12.49.
And then, there's always the Noteworthy Music catalog, which seems pretty
good, and will look even better when I have to return to the Philadelphia
suburbs....
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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Al Stewart's 24 P/Carrots + Indian Summer (UK CD)
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:35:36 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 02:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.025525.7422@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

   I found this when looking at this week's listings of the used music
   server (used-music-server@cs.ucsb.edu ... send HELP as subject line
   for more info (do NOT send me mail!)):

    Stewart, Al     CD    24 Carrots/Indian Summer 
    (UK; At Last! Over 60 mins long; lyrics/notes)

That's my entry.

   Indian Summer was a 1 side studio/3 sides live album, and by itself
   clocked in at 75 minutes on vinyl!  And 24 P/Carrots was a standard
   album.

No, Indian Summer was one side of a 4 side set; the other three sides
were called "Live"; hence the title "Indian Summer/Live" on the LP.

   Did they butcher the live album to put it all together???

If you call putting the studio tracks only on the 24 Carrots disc
"butchering", then yes.

As to whether this is what we've been waiting for: It sure is good to
hear "Pandora" on CD!

   gld

Ron
--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:27:35 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


In rec.video, some poor soul wrote about having had his roof blown off 
by the hurricane in Florida and his CD's being ruined by the water.
(It seems his laser discs fared better ... but not sure how long they
would last.)

I was surprised to learn that many of the CD's lost the aluminum and became
clear!  Does that suggest CD's might deteriorate more in humid, ocean climates?
If so, glad I live in Colorado!  (I'm glad anyways ... it's just another
reason to put up with sinus problems here.)

Judy
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: os9duane@gkcl.ists.ca (Duane DOUCET)
Subject: Saxon CDs in UK
Reply-To: os9duane@gkcl.ists.ca (Duane DOUCET)
Organization: Gas Kinetics and Combustion Laboratory (GKCL)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:23:02 GMT


     I will pay LOTS of mucho Pounds to anyone in England who would send me
Saxon - "Crusader" and Saxon - "Strong Arm Of The Law".
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Dave Pegg's "Cocktail Cowboy" CD wanted
Date: 9 Oct 1992 13:37:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Subject line says it all. If you know where I can
find this out-of-print CD, please let me know. Thanks.

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  /// :::::::Dan Doooovall:::::::  ///
From: kimp@nuge107.its.rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:20:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.2g2zys+
Reply-To: kimp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

Well, according to the audio experts, CD technology will start to fade out within 10 years, by a smaller music media with non-moving part and higher-capacity.  So I say 18 yeasrs is more than adequate (I am sure CD will last more than 18 years, however.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.misc
From: mzickar@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Mike Zickar)
Subject: Re: **WANTED: Recommendation for Reggae*
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:38:25 GMT

girard@informix.com (Girard Chandler) writes:

>>>Can you please suggest the best reggae song or album that I should
>>>buy?

I enjoy tremendously Ijahman Levi's "Are We A Warrior?" CD out on Mango.
This is real mellow, very spirtual, and his voice is just a beautiful
instrument.  Five stars by me.

I also second or third the recommendation for "The Harder They Come"
soundtrack.  Definate classic.

Burning Spear is pretty good also, except his new stuff seems quite repetitive.
Check out Marcus Garvey.

Good luck

Mike Zickar
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Box sets from BMG (a summary)
From: <CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 18:24:46 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I purchased Eric Clapton Crossroads, and it was the same box, no
bmg marks on the discs
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: WANTED: Bloodwyn Pig on CD
Date: 9 Oct 1992 13:35:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller) says:

>If anyone has a Bloodwyn Pig album *on CD* that they'd be willing to sell,
>let me know.  Or if you know where I might find them, that would also be
>welcome.

"Final Decade," a mail-order company, advertises them in
"Goldmine" magazine. I've never ordered from them, but
call 212-929-5462 for price and postage info.

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  /// :::::::Dan Doooovall:::::::  ///
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: BMG Phone Number
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 21:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.151729.725@ncsu.edu> mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON) writes:
>
>Help, I tried the number in the article to call and cancel the selection of
>the month service and it is not BMG.  Please check the 1-800 number that was 
>posted and repost a correct one.  Thanks abunch!
>
>Mike Dixon
>mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu

     The # is 1800 WAMADEU
From: quinby@athena.cs.uga.edu (James Quinby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: LedZep info and thanks
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:34:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

My  (very belated) thanks to all who helped me out with (a) net parlance in regards to imports (b) sources of information with regards to locating aforementioned imports (c) information about *MY* import and (d) info about Goldmine

Truly Goldmine is a...well, you know.

Second, I thumbed through a copy of _Heaven and Hell_ (the coffee table type
illustrated history of Led Zeppelin) and it has a chapter on...Lo! alternate
recordings of famous appearances! Anyway, it details some track listings of the
original recordings that appear in Goldmine, many of which do not have track
listings (space being at a premium). Anyway, check it out if you're interested.
Check it out if you're not. Anyway, thanks to all again for the info.

James Quinby - quinby@athena.cs.uga.edu
Henry W. Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communication
University of Georgia
Athens, Georgia

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From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Help! (With Upcoming UK Elton CD)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:39:31 GMT

I understand that within the next week or two a new Elton John compilation
of B-sides will be released in the UK (and perhaps elsewhere in the 
world).  The compilation will be called "Songbook".  Does anyone
know if this is true?  How many disks will it include?  From what
years are there B-sides?  Any other interesting tidbits?

Also, a B-side compilation, "Rarities" will be released in the US.
This is ofical and a complete listing of tracks appears in the October
1992 issue of ICE.  The US "Rarities" will be released by PolyGram, along
with all of Elton's albums from "Empty Sky" to "Here and There" plus Hits I & II
as US rights for these albums have moved from MCA to PolyGram.  The US releases
will now be based on the better UK masters and have lyric booklets unlike 
the cheap MCA versions.  "Rarities" in the US has two disks covering 
the period from 1967-1975, as that is the period in the US for which 
PolyGram owns US rights.  The US "Rarities" will also include the 
complete "Freinds" soundtrack.  How will the UK "SongBook" differ, if at all?  

I expect that the UK compilation will have more selections as 
PolyGram/Phongram has the rights to Elton's Catalog from 
1965-1992?  It would helpful to know before buying if the US
"Rarities" collection is a subset of the UK "Songbook" or at 
least to what degree their content overlaps.

Thanks a lot! (Folks interested in the Elton John Mail Group can write to 
elton-john-request@uiuc.edu).
From: jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy Matthew Toeman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Looking for CD
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:13:57 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I think what you are talking about is the CD to the U2 ZOO TV tour, which
seems to be available in Europe.

Anyone have this?

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From: rjb@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (Ryszard Boryna)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: What personal CD player?
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:19:22 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

< I posted this a couple of days back but don't think it got through, so here >
< goes again... Apologies if it in fact did									  >

I'm thinking of buying a personal CD player for the office and I'd like some opinions
on what's worth a look.  When I bought a personal stereo I got the cheapest one
going with a 3 band graphic equaliser ( just enough to cut the tape hiss and bring
the bass up ).  Should I do the same again or go for something a little better?

Thanks in advance,

Ryszard.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: dht@ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran)
Subject: Re: Help on song in Listerine Commercial---Please!
Organization: Harris Controls and Compositions
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:39:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.182923.5427@CS.ORST.EDU> wilsobr@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) writes:
>
>The name of the song they redid it from is called "Tarzan Boy", by 
>Baltimora. I have the 45 of it, and if anyone can point the way to
>where it can be had on cd, I would appreciate it.
>

The song can be found on the CD "The Italo Disco Collection" from ZYX
label. (import CD from Germany).

Danh Tran
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Notched CDs
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:27:06 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

rho@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Richard Ho) writes:

>I noticed that very often, "new" CDs that are sold very
>cheaply have this "notch" that's been cut into the box.

>I've bought these CDs before and except for the box, it
>seems like a good purchase to me. Does this notch mean
>anything? Were these CDs rejected for some reason and
>marked?

>Was someone careless when cutting open a shipping box???  ;-)

No. Those are what is refered to as "cut-outs".
They are comparable to LPs with the corner of the jacket cut off
or a hole drilled through one of the jacket corners.

Usually these are over-stocks. (the record company manufactured
too many and wants to get rid of them *or* the store ordered too
many and can't send them back to the record company)

Occasionally, a title will show up as a cut-out just before going
out of print, or the artist switches record labels (a variation of
the title going out of print).

		James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: danielm@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Daniel Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: EMI delays Hollies reissue set until '93?
Keywords: Hollies, EMI, reissue
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:02:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


	EMI has been preparing a three-disc Hollies compilation that
originally was to have come out at about the same time that its recent
Yardbirds and Don McLean boxes were released. It was to feature tracks 
remastered from the original UK tapes, stereo wherever possible, and at 
least a few previously unreleased songs. I believe Ron Furmanek was overseeing
the project- Mr. Furmanek has previously been associated with many
Capitol/EMI reissues, and all the ones I've heard have been consistently
high in quality.
	Sometime later, its release date was moved to sometime in October.
Now it appears that it may not come out until early 1993. This is based on info
I recall reading in a recent "Goldmine" and was echoed by the fellow I
spoke to recently on the 1-800-CDINFO1 hotline.
	Apparently part of the delay is to allow the inclusion of some
newly recorded tracks by original group members, probably to include at least
Allan Clarke and Graham Nash.
	I have to admit some disappointment on hearing this news; I've held
off buying the UK "All The Hits And More" compilation in anticipation of this 
new collection. Perhaps the idea is to follow what was done in the Byrds box 
set of a year or so back. 
	If anyone has any more information on this, drop me a line. Thanks.
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: QUERY: King Biscuit CD's?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:52:55 GMT
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ponder@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Carl Ponder) says:

>I was at a record convention this weekend, and saw a CD of a King Biscuit
>broadcast -- Emerson, Lake & Palmer in 1974 -- and the date on the CD was
>1991. I assume it was one two things:
>
>	1] A bootleg, recorded off of an original (1974?) King
>	    Biscuit broadcast (radio, or tape or vinyl distribution), or
>
>	2] King Biscuit is broadcasting some old recordings.

King Biscuit does rebroadcast old recordings. The dates on
the CDs are the air dates. What you saw was probably an
"official" radio station CD.
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\\\ aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  |||||  ::::Dan Doooovall::::  ///
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back on CD?
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:00:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1b2sktINN4sj
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Were the soundtracks to these movies ever released on CD?  Is it possible to
get one?  I've never seen them at CD stores...

Thanks,
Mike
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From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: BMG Phone Number
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:11:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct16.161157.26929
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1992Oct16.151729.725@ncsu.edu>, mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL P DIXON) writes:
>
>Help, I tried the number in the article to call and cancel the selection of
>the month service and it is not BMG.  Please check the 1-800 number that was 
>posted and repost a correct one.  Thanks abunch!
>
>Mike Dixon
>mpdixon@eos.ncsu.edu

1-800-WAMADEU[S] is the correct number.  If you were just confused by the fact 
that they sometimes answer "International Preview Society", try again.

-Lynn

< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)  >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110       >
From: ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: The Orb: Assassin question
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:07:32 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

What the heck are you supposed to get with the latest Orb release,
"Assassin"?  The outside of the package calls it "Assassin CD set".  Inside
there are holders for 2 CDs.  However, only 1 holder has a CD in it.  The
other holder has a cardboard cut-out of a CD which describes Assassin^3.
Does this A) refer to a 3" CD which should have been included in the package
(like Nine Inch Nails latest release) or B) is it just an advertisement for
another CD to be released shortly or C) none of the above and I am clueless?
-- 
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= krieg@titan.med.ge.com|  Treguna   Mekoides   Trecorum   Satis   Dee	=
=	   or		|						=
= krieg@point.cs.uwm.edu| 				    - Astoroth	=
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From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: CDs are timebombs?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:02:02 GMT

In article <851@dsbc.icl.co.uk> andym@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Andrew D Milligan) writes:
>	For people who are buying CDs as a medium for the music rather than for
>the physical disc this should not pose any problem. In less than 18 years it
>is a very safe bet that mass (computer) memory will be so very cheap that
>a small consumer electronics box will be able to hold all the precious music
>data from hundreds of CDs and thus make the actual playing of CDs directly
>unnecesary.
>	There should be no copyright problem either since I'm sure the record
>companies would much rather you did this instead of taking them to court for
>selling an unreliable medium.
>	Don't worry digital storage will come up with the goods...

Thanks Andy, this was the first and only reasonable response to
this absurd CD-rot debate I've read in 2 years on rec.music.cd!!!!!

Thanks for the breath of fresh air...

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
From: rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CDs mastered at a too low volume level?
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:01:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bw4vxp.47t
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

David Brady (Brady_David@Tandem.Com) wrote:
> I have around 370 cds and I only have 2 that have this problem.  It seems
> like they were mastered at too low of a volume.  Most of my cds that I
> have the same 'loudness' at a certain volume level.  These two, however,
> need to have the volume increased (using technical terms here!) by about
> 20% to be as loud.  The two in question are:
> 
> Police - Synchronicity
> Shonen Knife - 720

Funny the only one I feel has this problem is "Ghost in the Machine" by
The Police.  The first song is at an adequate level, but the rest of it
seems quite a bit lower in volume.  My copy of "Synchronicity" seems
fine to me.

--
Bruce Rodean                          Hewlett-Packard Company
rodean@fc.hp.com
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From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: DOORS ON CD
Organization: Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:12:44 GMT

> = runem@edb.tih.no writes:
>
>Could somebody tell me if JIM MORRISON'S "An American Prayer" is available
>on CD, and where?

I hope I'm wrong, but I think not.
Anybody know why?
-Brian
From: milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CDs mastered at a too low volume level?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:04:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: scofield.corp.sun.com

In article <Bw4vxp.47t@fc.hp.com> rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean) writes:
>David Brady (Brady_David@Tandem.Com) wrote:
>> I have around 370 cds and I only have 2 that have this problem.  It seems
>> like they were mastered at too low of a volume.  Most of my cds that I
>> have the same 'loudness' at a certain volume level.  These two, however,
>> need to have the volume increased (using technical terms here!) by about
>> 20% to be as loud.  The two in question are:
>> 
>> Police - Synchronicity
>> Shonen Knife - 720
>
>Funny the only one I feel has this problem is "Ghost in the Machine" by
>The Police.  The first song is at an adequate level, but the rest of it
>seems quite a bit lower in volume.  My copy of "Synchronicity" seems
>fine to me.
>

My copy of "Ghost in the Machine" is the same.  I think the 'problem', if
that's what to call it, is widespread:  all CDs are not mastered at an
identical volume.  I have plenty that seem too low, and plenty that seem
too high.  I often make compilation tapes from my CD library, and I have
to be prepared to check the record level independently for _every_ different
disc I use, or the tape will sound awful, with wildly different volume
levels from song to song.  My tape deck has a 0-10 recording volume dial,
and the acceptable level for any given CD could be anywhere between 3 and 7.
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