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From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.sys.cisco
Subject: Need advice on wide area networking
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:40:07 EST
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
Distribution: world
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We need to connect our two offices (which are about 5 miles apart)
together. We run a mix of TCP/IP and Appletalk. The remote site will
have 3 or 4 NCD Xterminals, a couple of printers (hung off the NCDs)
and 5 or 6 Macs. The Macs will be doing light work over the remote
connection (printing, opening and saving small docs to the fileserver,
email, etc). We could eventually end up with 6 or so Xterminals and
10 macs.

A 56kb line is the same installation cost as a T1, and the monthly difference
is only $250/mo ($250/mo for a 56kb line, $500/mo for a T1). What
kind of demands does X place on the network? Will a 56kb line be sufficent,
or should we jump to the T1? Our X users are using them as terminal
replacements, and they're also running WordPerfect and Lotus on our
Sun.

I'm also looking for suggestions for routers. I'm familiar (by reputation
only) with cisco (or is it Cisco this week?). What else should I consider?
Is bridging worth considering, too? What should I look for in a good
CDU/DSU? Are the all the same, or are there large differences from
manufacturer to manufacture?

Thanks in advance,

Jeff

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From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: ?Experience with ALTA NE2000
Keywords: ALTA,NE2000
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:15:01 GMT


Anyone had any experiences good/bad with the ALTA version of the NE2000
board?  Price is REAL attractive at $129 from "Network Express", has
both 10-BASE-T /and/ ThinLAN/coax (BNC) connectors/tranceivers plus
4 status LEDs.  This is a 16 bit PC card.  Especially want to know if it
works with the standard NE2000 packet driver.

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From: boozer@gallant.apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: alt.info-science
Subject: Where can I get basic science equiptment for School age children?
Keywords: catalogs
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:08:01 GMT
Organization: I is a writur


Where can I get the basic science [physics/chemestry] equiptment for teaching
grade school children?

Addresses of places in the San Francisco
From: boozer@gallant.apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: alt.info-science
Subject: Where can I get basic science equiptment for school age children?
Keywords: catalogs
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:12:47 GMT
Organization: I is a writur


Where can I get the basic science [physics/chemestry] equiptment for teaching
grade school children?

Addresses of places in the San Francisco 
Addresses of mail-order companies

Glenn Boozer
Boozer@apple.com
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: alt.info-science
Subject: Re: Cost of data storage
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:11:26 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>I need some formulas for calculating the cost of data storage.
>Anyone have any ideas?
 
     Hmm..  kind of "cost" are you talking about?  If you're 
talking about $$, you can get very large, very fast HD's for about 
one dollar per meg of storage (2.0GB SCSI, 9ms).
 
     If you're talking about computational cost, it's very very 
application-specific..  RAM, Disk (floppy or hard), and tape all 
follow different rules.  And when you combine the two (ie, disk or 
tape with smart RAM cache, disk or tape with stupid RAM cache, 
etc) you can find all sorts of nifty complexities.
 
     I have some generic rules sitting around here somewhere for 
time-to-access different amounts of information depending on how 
the information is blocked, what kind of medium is used, and how 
much information is being accessed..  If you like I can dig'em up.
(They may be in San Jose, in which case I probably won't get 
access to'em 'till after Thanksgiving).
 
     Incidentally, what's this newsgroup for?
 
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Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: callred@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Curtis Allred)
Subject: Joining Up
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:50:38 GMT

Hello out there, 

	I have recently become more interestd in joining the SCA, and
wondered if anybody out there could help me.  I have had friends ever
since High School who were members of SCA, but at the moment I do not
know of anyone who could help me, seeing as how I moved to Hawaii a
year ago.  First off, how does someone get in touch with local SCA
folks, and secondly, what are some of the things I should need to know
in order to help in feeling comfortable on my first visit to a
get-together?  If anyone out there would like to send the answer
either over the net or to my own e-mail account, I would greatly
appreciate it. Thanks!



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Newsgroups: alt.heraldry.sca
From: callred@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Curtis Allred)
Subject: Re: Joining Up
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:32:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.225038.28901@news.Hawaii.Edu> callred@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Curtis Allred) writes:
>Hello out there, 
>
>	I have recently become more interestd in joining the SCA, and
>wondered if anybody out there could help me.  I have had friends ever
>since High School who were members of SCA, but at the moment I do not
>know of anyone who could help me, seeing as how I moved to Hawaii a
>year ago.  First off, how does someone get in touch with local SCA
>folks, and secondly, what are some of the things I should need to know
>in order to help in feeling comfortable on my first visit to a
>get-together?  If anyone out there would like to send the answer
>either over the net or to my own e-mail account, I would greatly
>appreciate it. Thanks!

	Thanks for everyone who responded to me via email-I was
grateful for the advice to check out the rec.org.sca newsgroup which I
was not aware of before.  Hope to see something on this newsgroup
sometime, though.

			Gratefully,

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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: philippa@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Philippa Morrissey)
Subject: Refridgerators
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:09:36 GMT

I heard recently about fridges that are environmentally friendly.
Anyway I am interested in finding out more. Such as can you
buy them - who from and where and how much does the cost compare
to standard fridges. Really I'ld be interested in any information
about them at all.

Thanks Philippa
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Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: efects of icreesed CO2
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:40:42 GMT

An interesting note-> one of the efects of an increes in CO2 in an area
as discovered in green houseis is the plant grow faster and lusher. The 
plants in turn give off O2. Aparently the concentration of CO2 is the
limiting facter in the invironment for the chemical reaxtion (s) called
photosynthesis. Many green houses spend time and money to increes the 
levels of CO2 in them (well the owners due) in places were the winters
are cold they will pump the CO2 from the heater into the green house.

Elf-Kin
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: co2 in greenhouses
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:37:42 GMT

this data is for chrasanthamumes
total yeald at	200ppm	  500ppm
ditrabution
france		2785       3334
standered		1466	   1328
short			176	  172
design		109	  96
total yeald		4538      4932

Once you get to a certian concentration it levels of and then decresis
as with any nutreint. Humans need O2 to sevive and people are often given
air that has more O2 in it then the atmosphere but pure O2 will kill you
faster then most things. 200ppm is about standered. It seems strang to me 
that if the climit is worming up, why did we just have the coolist summer
in decades. There are old people that my mother works with (she is a cna
at a nersing home) who are in there right minds who cant remember so cool
a summer. I would worry about the chemicals that combine to form smog more
then something we arent so sure about. There are a large # of citys that
I can not live in due to smog (I am asthmatic). The figures I just got
in my hort. class this turm.

Elf-Kin
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: Alternative to natural-wood-based paper.
Organization: FYL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:10:02 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

The Fool (ahughes@jarthur.claremont.edu) wrote:
: Actually, I've heard very good things about the possibilities inherent in
: hemp paper. I hear that it compares with trees in terms of paper output per
: acre and is more quickly renewable by a long shot. Anyone out there have the 
: figures on this?

The number (actually from the USDA) is about 4 times the pulp per acre
as trees grown for pulp wood.
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From: Tarzan
Subject: Re: Alternative to natural-wood-based paper.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.200357.22426@cis.ohio-state.edu>
csmith@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>jkumar@akocoa.enet.dec.com (My name is Jayant Kumar) writes:
>>
>>Hi netters,
>>I would like to learn from you whether (a) there is a commercially viable &
economic process of producing synthetic paper? (b) If so, why have not third
world countries adapted this technology?

	Yes there is.  It is called Hemp.  To legalize it will be a revolution in
ecology!



>Of course there is synthetic paper! It is made of plastic which comes from
oil,another thing environmentalists don't want us to use. It doesn't matter
what you choose, there is some environmental WACKO who will say that we
shouldn't use it. Wood fibre paper is renewable, recyclable, biodegradable, and
the most economical alternative.


	I disagree.  Hemp is the most effective natural for reducing and even ending
our "need" (ha) to destroy our forests.  Hemp can be used for all the things
that oil is used for and more!  It's time that we bring common sense back to
this country (USA) and start givving a damn.  


>
>>It makes me so sad to see the so called developed countries marauding the
>>third world countries's forests at the cost of keeping their forests
intact!!!  And on top of that, we have to hear them talk of
environment/pollution. It is pathetic to see 3rd world countries suffer because
of the fancies of developed countries.
>
>So who is forcing these countries to sell to the U.S.? 
 
	We are, the consumers.  It is time we take on our responsibilities of caring
for the earth lest we wake up to find out that our greed and ignorance has
robbed us of our mother.


>Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
>
>

										Tarzan.
>
From: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Food for thought... was Re: Ethanol fuel
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: jamesh@aifh.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov15.171811.14539@cal.isac.ca>, jameson@cal.isac.ca (Kevin
Jameson) writes:
# How does ethanol fuel help to solve the CO2 problem?  When you burn it,
# doesn't it give off CO2 just like gasoline?

Yes, but by getting ethanol from plants(which thereby absorb the CO2) the
long
term effect is that CO2 levels would be stable(assuming you weren't adding
CO2
from somewhere else).

James
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu (Todd Sanders)
Subject: Re: Food for thought... was Re: Ethanol fue
Reply-To: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:54:43 GMT

># How does ethanol fuel help to solve the CO2 problem?  When you burn it,
># doesn't it give off CO2 just like gasoline?
>
>Yes, but by getting ethanol from plants(which thereby absorb the CO2) the
>long
>term effect is that CO2 levels would be stable(assuming you weren't adding
>CO2
>from somewhere else).
>
>James

????????   I do not understand what you are saying.  Are you saying that using ethanol will absorb CO2, or that creating ethanol kills plants that utialize atm. CO2, so there is a reduced number of plants to remove CO2 from the atmosphere? Or is using ethanol benificial because the post-combustive by-products are *more* apealing to the atmospheric influx.

I wonder if you mean that ethanol *burns* cleaner. There by reducing the ppmv/gallon of gasoline introduced into the atmosphere. This then is defined as a "stablization" of the % of anthropogenic carbon dioxide input to the troposphere via auto emmisions. 

Is this the right train of thought?  If so wouldn't it be equally or not of greater importance to focus on Carbon Monoxide or tropo. Ozone emmision via combustive processes?  Does ethanol have a reduced % of these emmisions, relative to *standard* gasoline?   

Curious??
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (MICHAEL)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: refridgerators
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:34:20 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

To: philippa@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au
Subject: Fridges

Hi!
In alt.save.the.earth you asked:

I heard recently about fridges that are environmentally friendly.
Anyway I am interested in finding out more. Such as can you
buy them - who from and where and how much does the cost compare
to standard fridges. Really I'ld be interested in any information
about them at all.


They are called "Greenfreeze" and use a mixture of butanol and propane (I
believe, it might be butane and propanol! :-) and are produced in Germany.
They are at least as energy efficient as "normal" fridges and are definitely
ozone friendly.

There was a big article in a newspaper here the other day; i could
probably get a copy and send you more details if you want (the
article was more about the way that ICI, DuPont etc are against this
fridge cos they went for HCFCs as alternatives to CFC-based fridges
rather than look elsewhere).

Otherwise Greenpeace should know more cos they helped get the project
off the ground

All the best,
Michael
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
From: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu (Todd Sanders)
Subject: Re: Food for thought... was Re: Ethanol fue
Reply-To: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:38:28 GMT

In article 7662@aisb.ed.ac.uk, jamesh@aisb.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton) writes:

>>># How does ethanol fuel help to solve the CO2 problem? 

>Look, it is simple. You grow some plants( they absorb CO2 in the
>process), turn them into ethanol, it burns in some engine, you grow some
>more plants which absorb the CO2 released earlier, net effect is nil 
>CO2 emissions, then the process repeats itself. The point is that it is
>a cycle were the CO2 released by burning the ethanol is matched by that
>absorbed in growing the plants to produce it, thus the overall effect over
>the cycle is for a nil CO2 emission.
>
>The idea is not to continually deplete the stocks of whatever plant is
>being used(this would lead to net increases in CO2) but to grow more
>plants to replenish the stocks and then turn them into ethanol and use it
>as fuel.As long as you keep replacing the plants with new ones the
>overall effect is nil emissions.
>
>
>James

So then how many plants does it take to *absorb* an equal amount of CO2 from the atmosphere that is produced from say 1 gallon of ethanol?  How many plants does it take to produce 1 gallon of ethanol.( sounds like a bad ethnic joke :-) )  What plants do you use to make ethanol?  This whole mass balance seems a little "unbalanced". But I am extremely curious at this point.
Has there been work done of the benefits of growing *plants* for ethanol production, such that these plants act as CO2 sinks, then are turned around and used as a CO2 source?  I guess I'm a little dense on the subject.  Perhaps, James you will contiue this discussion,  you have my attention and probably some lurkers as well.  Maybe they will add to the discussion??

Todd
From: jamesh@aisb.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Food for thought... was Re: Ethanol fue
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:56:52 GMT
Reply-To: jamesh@aisb.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <Bxtzn8.DE1@news.udel.edu> todd@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
>># How does ethanol fuel help to solve the CO2 problem?  When you burn it,
>># doesn't it give off CO2 just like gasoline?
>>
>>Yes, but by getting ethanol from plants(which thereby absorb the CO2) the
>>long
>>term effect is that CO2 levels would be stable(assuming you weren't adding
>>CO2
>>from somewhere else).
>>
>>James
>
>????????   I do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying that
>using ethanol will absorb CO2, or that creating ethanol kills plants that
>utialize atm. CO2, so there is a reduced number of plants to remove CO2
>from the atmosphere? Or is using ethanol benificial because the
>post-combustive by-products are *more* apealing to the atmospheric influx.

No, and that is not what I implied. Below I try to explain the process
in more detail.

>I wonder if you mean that ethanol *burns* cleaner. There by reducing the
>ppmv/gallon of gasoline introduced into the atmosphere. This then is defined
>as a "stablization" of the % of anthropogenic carbon dioxide input to the
>troposphere via auto emmisions.

I don't know if it burns cleaner, even if it did, that would not be the
main reason for using it instead of petrol.

>Is this the right train of thought?  If so wouldn't it be equally or not of
>greater importance to focus on Carbon Monoxide or tropo. Ozone emmision via
>combustive processes?  Does ethanol have a reduced % of these emmisions,
>relative to *standard* gasoline?   

These questions are all coming from your misunderstanding of what I've
said, so read on.

>Curious??


Look, it is simple. You grow some plants( they absorb CO2 in the
process), turn them into ethanol, it burns in some engine, you grow some
more plants which absorb the CO2 released earlier, net effect is nil 
CO2 emissions, then the process repeats itself. The point is that it is
a cycle were the CO2 released by burning the ethanol is matched by that
absorbed in growing the plants to produce it, thus the overall effect over
the cycle is for a nil CO2 emission.

The idea is not to continually deplete the stocks of whatever plant is
being used(this would lead to net increases in CO2) but to grow more
plants to replenish the stocks and then turn them into ethanol and use it
as fuel.As long as you keep replacing the plants with new ones the
overall effect is nil emissions.


James
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: co2 in greenhouses
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:42:42 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <JASON.92Nov23130448@ab20.larc.nasa.gov> Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>In article <6822@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (MICHAEL) writes:
>-> In article <Bxztyv.7In@news.iastate.edu>, txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
>-> |> 
>-> |> faster then most things. 200ppm is about standered. It seems strang to me 
>-> |> that if the climit is worming up, why did we just have the coolist summer
>-> |> in decades. There are old people that my mother works with (she is a cna
>-> |> at a nersing home) who are in there right minds who cant remember so cool
>-> |> a summer. I would worry about the chemicals that combine to form smog more
>-> |> 
>-> |> Elf-Kin
>-> 
>-> 
>-> Elf,
>-> there *IS* a natural variation in world temperatures from year to year and 
>-> it is only on a LONG term basis that one would be able to say, with any 
>-> degree of certainty, that the average world temp is increasing (or decreasing). 
>-> Thus, it is possible that there could be a cold year even if the general trend 
>-> is for increase in mean world temp.
>-> 
>-> Michael
>
>
>	This is a good point, and I find it interesting that it did
>not recieve any news coverage last summer when there was above average
>heat and everyone was screaming ``global warming!''.  Also, many
>scientist that state we have very little understanding of what happens
>in the atmosphere are never heard on a national level.
>--
>Jason C. Austin
>j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
>
Also keep in mind that the Mt. Pinatubo eruption is expected to have a 
temporary cooling effect.
-- 

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From: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: Refridgerators
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:08:44 GMT
Organization: lbl
Distribution: world
Reply-To: b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.154

On CFC-free fridges, don't forget that for conventional, U.S.
refrigerators, there is several times as much CFC in the foam
as in the refrigerant.

Bruce Nordman
B_Nordman@lbl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: jameson@cal.isac.ca (Kevin Jameson)
Subject: Re: Food for thought... was Re: Ethanol fuel
Organization: ISA Corp. (Calgary)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 17:18:11 GMT

How does ethanol fuel help to solve the CO2 problem?  When you burn it,
doesn't it give off CO2 just like gasoline?
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth