HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wsr@gtech.com (William S. Rubin (Consultant))
Subject: Re: Hebrew Word Processors (CORRECTIONS !!!)
Keywords: Hebrew, Word_Processors
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:29:20 GMT



	>>>>  PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING CORRECTION <<<

	The PHONE NUMBER for MIT HILLEL FOUNDATION was INCORRECT 
	in a previous list of Hebrew Word Processors.  It is:

	       MIT Hillel Foundation (617) 253-2982

	ALSO NOTE:   I was told that MIT Hillel no longer sell or 
	distribute 'MacInHebrew right-to-left Mac DA'.


-Bill Rubin


internet:    wsr@.gtech.com   compuserve:  73457.3425@compuserve.com

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own, except for those
I got from elsewhere.  My views and those expressed should never be
confused with those of my employer or anyone else except when I am self
employed and then these views are entirely my own.
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From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A really important Hanuka question
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:25:40 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

You've raised an excellent question here. I thought the candles
were supposed to last at least an hour, but I've never known
any of those usual colored assortment to last longer than half
an hour or so. I've also heard that the usual assortment is the
product and major income source of some kibutz or moshav or 
something, so naturally I feel guilty about looking for something
else. (Yeah I know we're supposed to feel guilty...)

There are a number of sources for excellent thin candles that 
will fit most Hannukiot. In my shul, these things sell for about
$5 per box, or more than 5 times what the Israeli assortment 
costs. My supermarket has the orange ones, now evidently 
marketed by Manniscievitz (sp?), and they cost less than $1.50.
Some people just go to a candle store and buy nice thin regular
candles, but I suspect there's a kashruth question with this
solution.

My own solution is to use an olive oil Hannukiah. One year I 
put lamp oil in it and burned a hole in my ceiling. Now I stick
with olive oil.

Season's greetings (still my vote for best reply)

-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: CAMPAIGN TO FREE VANUNU
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:04:59 GMT

a = 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy)
e = ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)

e: The British known as Lord Ho Ho said the same justifying  his
a: You mean Lord Hee-Haw?

Lord Haw-Haw.
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From: friedenb@pine.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Carefully Selected "News" Posts on talk.politics.medicine
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@pine.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

In article <1992Dec15.025819.6990@sci.ccny.cuny.edu>, dac@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (David A Cooke) writes:
|> 	Does anyone know anything about a group called the Center for
|> Policy Research?  They've been posting a series of carefully chosen
|> newspaper articles and the like to talk.politics.medicine (why there
|> of all places?) designed to present as unflattering a portrait of
|> Israel and Jews as possible without being overtly antisemitic.  They
|> are posting from the address cpr@igc.apc.org, and gave a snail-mail
|> address somewhere in Iceland.
|> 	Please reply via email or this group.

When I read this post, I checked out talk.politics.medicine.  I found this:

=========== begin article============
Article: 297 of talk.politics.medicine
From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Palestinian collaborators
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:28:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1728700003:cdp:1728700006:000:366
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Dec 12 05:28:00 1992


Here is center for Policy Research.
Due to an error in posting, some topics destinated for
talk.politics.mideast
were posted to:   talk.politics.midea
and the network posted them to the next conference: talk.politics.medicine
without informing me.
If someone would know how to delete the current topic, I would be happy.
Soory for the inconvenience.
Elias Davidsson

==============end article===============

Anyone heard of him?  I have not read tpm in awhile.  Is he posting there
as well?

|> 		-David Cooke
|> 		dac@sci.ccny.cuny.edu

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL)
Subject: Re: Vijay Bhuchar-NUISANCE FOR JESUS!
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:02:53 GMT

Mark Ira Kaufman (bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
> 
>    Recently, Vijay Bhuchar has posted several pieces of Christian
> propaganda in this group.  Each of them has opened with claims of
> being solicited for the 'information' in the post.  Bhuchar opens
> each post with a statement like "Somebody asked...," or "A number
> of you asked...," or "Many of you have asked..."
>    I have scanned the posts in this group, and I found no request
> for ANY of this proselytizing.  Therefore, Bhuchar received these
> requests by e-mail, or he made up these requests, to make it look
> as if he was not proselyitizing.  In either case, he shouldn't be
> posting these sermons here, but should be answering his flock via
> e-mail.
>    I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.  So, Mr. Bhuchar, it
> seems that the proper thing to do would be to send your Christian
> propaganda to those who asked you.
>    I am requesting that you do not post your Christian propaganda
> in this group any more.  I cannot speak for other Jews here.  But
> I am offended and insulted by Christian proselytizing.  There are
> probably other Jews in this group who feel the same.  They should
> speak up for themselves.  And I hope they do.  Maybe if enough of
> us express or objections to your proselytizing here, you'll stop.

I agree.  Stop it.

-Danny Sokol
Amherst College







Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Haftorah Reading May 21, 1994
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:02:14 GMT

Another nice custom I have seen is a bar/bat mitzvah ceremony at
age 83.  Since we are allotted 70 years, each year thereafter is
like a new life, and so at 83 we are, G-d willing, ready for a
second B. Mitzvah.
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: scj soap-opera(was Re: An open letter to David Skoll) 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:53:17 GMT

In article <dfs.724640529@kehleyr> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>I'd
>urge other readers of scj who are tired of Andy's behaviour to let
>Mr. Hooper at Queens University know.

I urge the same people not to do that.
We do not need to call the authorities. We do not need to go around
reporting people.
I agree that Andy's behavior is not quite good, and that sometimes
one gets tired of it. However, it is my idea that the best policy is
to ignore those you don't like, and to just skip their posts.
I feel that all of this Andy vs. Skoll et. al. is like a soap-opera,
and that nobody is getting anything good from it.
HOWEVER, do not report anybody. Reporting people is not a noble action.


>
>--
>David F. Skoll



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:37:50 GMT

In article <Dec17.221329.62773@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:

>  I was deeply enraged at the fact that NO ONE , not 
>one person, supported my views against Jews mocking themselves.
>What is wrong with you people!  We are not different from Christians!
>We are all human!   If  there is no truth to any of these stereotypes why
>do you use them?  What kind of custom is this?  I post a question
>about Jewish names and I get loads of Jewish jokes for replies. I ask about
>the origin of the Jewish nose myth, and I get nose jokes.   I don't understand.
>Christians aren't known for self-mockery nor are Muslims, so where did
>we get this recessive trait?

Some people are able to learn answers from humor.  Some have this gene
deactivated.

More seriously (not much) the only stereotype about Jews that is really
and truly true (honest) is that Jewish humor is self-depracating.

>If this is truly a cultural "thing" then I'm ashamed.  How can you expect
>non-Jews to respect us, alas stop discrimination, if you can't set the 
>example yourselves?  This "you have to laugh at yourself and life " philosophy
>is crap.  When it leads to stereotyping and discrimination , it is no longer
>innocent "laughing at life".  

Should people respect us for our humor or for our membership in a
group? I suspect neither is an adequate basis for respect.  I also
doubt that self depracating humor, in an of itself, leads to
stereotyping any more than does avoiding that particular type of humor.
Also, I don't understand the connection between stopping discrimination
and _self_ depracating humor.

>Is anyone brave enough to give me a real answer without the idiotic 
>self-stereotyping  jokes that I have gotten?

What answer are you looking for?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: popiels@foss.Colorado.EDU (POPIEL STEPHANIE LYN)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Reply-To: popiels@foss.Colorado.EDU (POPIEL STEPHANIE LYN)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:38:32 GMT

Here in Denver, for many years there has been a display at the City and County building - mostly just colored lights, but also a creche scene. About ten years ago Jewish symbols were added after some protests by Jewish groups (I think - I was 12 at the time and don't remember the circumstances).  About five years ago it was decided that the City could no longer fund the display because it promoted a religion - but there is a fund-raising drive every year to "Save the Lights."  The display is still at the C


ity and County building - but no longer publicly funded, and it no longer has a menorah (or it didn't three years ago).

Just for your info

Stephanie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: advice on putting a lift together, and are there self-cleaning ovens in
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:30:38 GMT

Shortly after the mail-jewish party (Dec 26) I'm clearing out of the
ruin that is expected to be left in its wake and heading to New York
to put together a lift.  I'd appreciate advice on putting together a
lift (not an elevator, a shipment of duty-free appliances to Israel).
I'm not asking for the regulations, but things like which appliances
you bought here and which you brought, and why you decided one over
the other.

A lot of people seem to have bought their fridges here.  My neighbor
said that an Israel fridge here (with rights) costs about as much as
an Amana with shipping, they decided to get the Amana, but when it
broke they had to pay for service even though it was the first year,
as warrantees on stuff bought in the US aren't good here.

I also really want to get a self-cleaning oven.  I hate cleaning
ovens.  Can they be bought here?  I haven't found one yet.  I might
have to buy one here because my kitchen door is rather small, and a
large American oven might not fit inside.  Or it could be brought in
thru the window, I guess.

I've also heard that furniture should either be 'tropical grade' or
bought here, as the summer weather can ruin it.  Has anyone actually
had a piece of furniture deteriorate here?  This is probably a
question for people who have been here a while.  I'd like to buy a few
things at Ikea, but if it's not going to last, I'd better buy it here.
I don't suppose they sell a lot of tropical furniture in New York.

thanks in advance.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
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/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Shabbat question
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:11:29 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)

In article <goldberg.724426970@techunix.technion.ac.il>, goldberg@techunix (Jacques Goldberg) writes:
>> Bicycles are muktzeh. 
>  Ahah? Can you supply a reference? Thanks in advance.

SHEMIROT SHABBOS, nu?
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cholov Yisrael
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:42:20 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)

In article <1992Dec16.040820.6712@cs.tulane.edu>, david@bourbon (David Kaufmann) writes:
>Unfortunately, this is not quite accurate. The Shulchan Aruch clearly
>requires Cholov Yisrael. Reliance on Cholov Stam (government
>supervised, as opposed to Cholov Akum, non-Jewish, milk) comes from a
>ruling of Rav Moshe Feinstein,z"l, which was limited to milk and to
>young children, for health purposes. It has been expanded out of
>context.

His first one was limited.  His later teshuvot became much more permissive.

>>I believe that the standard explanation by those who insist upon only
>>_cholov_Yisrael_ is that they are driven by fear of G-d rather than
>>fear of government. While this is a legitimate argument, one must not
>>forget that those who do not hold by _cholov_Yisrael_ nevertheless
>>are NOT in violation of _kashrus_ for this.

>I've never heard the fear of G-d vs. fear of government argument. On a
>spiritual level, non-cholov Yisroel is said to cause tumtum halev, a
>deadening of sensitivity. However, the only reason for cholov Yisroel
>I've heard is it's a clear din in the Shulchan Aruch.

If you ask some people why do they hold by cholov yisroel, even when they
agree that Rav Moshe Feinstein's permission is unarguable, they will mention
various spiritual reasons.

>Also, one should note that those who keep glatt can use non-glatt
>utensils. If one keeps cholov Yisroel, however, according to halacha,
>non-cholov Yisroel utensils are not to be treated as kosher.

Not all agree with this.  One OU kashrus rabbi told me that the level
of rekashering between OU cholov stam and OU cholov yisroel runs is
often much less than the OU would require between treif and kashrus.
They try to schedule the cholov yisroel first, but it doesn't always
work out that way.

I know of people who keep separate cholov stam (for their stuff) and
cholov yisroel (for some of their guests) utensils.

>This, of course, is correct and extremely important. If all users of
>cholov Stam limited themselves to Rav Feinstein's psak, the
>controversy wouldn't exist. But when cheese, yogurt, ice cream, etc.,
>suddenly become milk, in violation of the Shulchan Aruch and Rav
>Feinstein's psak, then the trouble begins.

What are you saying?  In addition to inappropriately relying on just his
first pask (that is why you use the singular, yes?), the Shulchan Aruch
explicitly permits cholov stam cheese and butter.  (Camel's milk would
not curdle properly, or something like that.)

I in fact know of people who vaguely claim to hold their dairy at the
Shulchan Aruch level--mamish milk is cholov yisroel, but they rely on
cholov stam for any milk-based products.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torture in Israel
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:57:58 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

In article <92352.1332022893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
[sd - politics ...]
Lets talk about tortre from our scj point of view.
when is it (if at all), jewishly speeking, OK to torture a man ?
what about pysical torture VS mentel one ? 
can we apply the rule of 'he who comes to kill you - kill him first' ?
(like 'he who comes to torture you torture him first' ????)

And, Andy, is there a difference between an a non-jew (lets say 
a CHAMAS man held out in the cold) and a jew (lets say an Israely 
airman held who-knows-where by who-knows whom ) ??????
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen)
Subject: Need Arafat Quotes
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:50:40 GMT
Followup-To: e-mail
Keywords: arafat quotes



Does anyone have recent quotes from Y. Arafat, made to
Libyan TV and elsewhere, where he assures the audience that
he has no real intentions of ever recognizing Israel.
Also, does anyone have the quote he made about "Jewish
Dogs" that were recorded in France?

Here in Santa Cruz, a City Councilman recently made a
piligrimage to Arafat and a radical "nonviolence" group
that supports the PLO and regularly talks about Israeli's
as "oppressors" has been given a free downtown kiosk to
distribute their propoganda.

Any of the above requested information would be valuable
in the local debate.

Thanks,

JCohen

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o
From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vijay Bhucha: JESUS IS NOT A MESSAYA!
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:15:49 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Dec17.211704.26231@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>In article <4574@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>>A messayah is supposed to purify the hearts of people , at least of
>>those follow him , writting the above jesus stuff to this forum is an
>>immoral behaveiour. Since Vijay defines himself as a jesus follower
>>his very writting is a demonstrating of an un pure jesus-follower hart
>>and hence it is is a declaration that Jesus is not a messayah.
>
>This is akin to saying that Judaism is invalid because of the Babylonian
>captivity, the Diaspora, etc.  Should we say Judaism is invalid becuase
>the people worshipped the golden calf?  I note you are in the Math Dept, 
>I hope you don't teach logic.  =|^)
>

I think his logic is pretty good. See, yo missed one very important
thing. Yes, they did worship an idol, but noby says that there was a
meshiach then either. Moshiah has not come yet, and 'j' is certainly not
the moshiach and his argument is pretty good.

Happy Chanukkah,
Dima

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From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Question on "Jewish mother = jewish children"
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bz9y5M.2t0@acsu.buffalo.edu> boyd@acsu.buffalo.edu (Daniel F Boyd) writes:
>My mother's mother's mother was Jewish.  So am I considered Jewish
>too?

Yes.

Under Jewish law (halakha), you are considered Jewish.  In practical terms,
what this means is that if you decided you wanted to "become" Jewish, no formal
conversion would be necessary.  Assuming you could document your
great-grandmother's Jewishness, you would be immediately accepted as a Jew, at
least by the Orthodox and Conservative communities.  (Technically, you probably
would need a conversion according to the official Reform rules, but I doubt
anyone would give you much trouble.)

If you prefer some other religious affiliation, or none at all, though, no one
will bother you about it.  

   Robert

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: HIV and Israel
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:15:29 GMT

In <1992Dec11.183341.27525@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:

>2.  Is this true?  The Jerusalem Post says that this legislation
>    has *not* been enacted, as I recall.

I don't know if it's been enacted yet, but it is at least planned.
Protesting before it's enacted might keep it from being enacted.

>3.  Where has this been proven effective in the campaign against
>    HIV:  
>	"Instead, anonymous HIV testing and prevention/education 
>	campaigns are the proven method of containing the epidemic."

I don't see how testing immigrants and tourists would have much of an
effect either.  OK, so infected noncitizens won't be allowed in.
Citizens will just have to hop on a plane or boat (no more travel tax)
to get infected elsewhere, and bring the disease back with them.  I
would imagine that most of the people found at the Arrivals section of
Ben Gurion Airport (excluding short-term tourists, they would not be
tested under the proposal, for that matter one can do a lot of damage
in three months) are citizens rather than long-term (greater than
three months) tourists or immigrants.

And seriously folks, if a Jew is already diagnosed as suffering from
AIDS and wants to make Aliya, do we *really* want to say "go back to
where you came from and die there"?
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