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From: Bo Xiong <xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU>
Subject:      [UPI] SHEN Tong Arrest Was Confirmed
Reply-To: Bo Xiong <xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:50:44 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

The following will be carried in Sept. 1's CND-Global

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:35:37 PDT
From: CND Source
Subject: it's confirmed

@@@  8/31 UPI Subject: Chinese dissident arrested
(CHARLES HUTZLER)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:14:10 GMT

	A leading Chinese political dissident who fled to the United States
after the 1989 crackdown on student protesters at Tiananmen Square was
arrested Monday in Beijing after sneaking back into his homeland to
continue the pro-democracy movement, a colleague said.

	Shen Tong was arrested by police at his family's home around 1:30 p.
m. EDT, or 1:30 a.m. Tuesday in China, said Marshall Strauss, executive
director of the Newton, Mass.-based Democracy for China Fund, co-founded
by Shen.

	Strauss said he learned of Shen's arrest when he made a long-planned
telephone call from the Boston area to the dissident leader.

	``Shen Tong said, 'The police are here,''' Strauss said, and then
someone hung up the telephone. Strauss called back and Shen managed to
relay a pre-arranged code word signaling his arrest.

	Shen's immediate whereabouts could not be determined. A reporter for
the New York Times in Beijing called Shen's home but an unidentified
person answered, saying Shen was gone, Strauss said.

	A European television reporter at the home also may have been
detained, Strauss said.

	Shen's arrest came hours before he was to hold a news conference to
announce the setting up of a Democracy for China Fund office in China.

	As a 21-year-old Beijing University student, Shen helped put together
a negotiating team to talk with government officials during the pro-
democracy demonstrations in the spring of 1989. He fled China after the
brutal June 4 crackdown.

	While studying at Brandeis University in Waltham, Mass., Shen set up
the Democracy for China Fund to help continue the pro-democracy
movement.

	Shen entered China through the southern tourist resort of Guilin on
Aug. 5, Strauss said.

	Officials have known about Shen's return for about a week, when he
arrived at his family home near the Communist Party and government
office buildings, Strauss said. Shen had hoped that his high profile in
the West would protect him from official action, Strauss said.

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Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago
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From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Lou  Wang)
Subject: Re: Shen Tong's Showdown
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:40:43 GMT

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Subject: Re: Shen Tong's Showdown
Organization: Australian Maritime College
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From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Questions to William Deng, yes or no?
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:30:00 GMT

Questions to William Deng: 1, Do you support CG to arrest Shen Tong, yes
or no? 2, Do you think CG has the right to arrest Shen Tong legally? yes
or no?                     Dawei Zhou, Florida
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From: 43JIANG%CUA.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      One more thinking about CG's new policies toward overseas CSS
Reply-To: 43JIANG%CUA.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:31:45 GMT

After reading today's email messages, I am deeply impressed by the
distrust from many CSS to the so called new policies. This is good
but not enough. The new policies obviously came forth under the
pressure from the recent success of lobby to US Congress and its
purpose is to give US President some sort of execses not to sign
the bill and to prevent the same thing from happenning else where.
This makes the coming lobby much tougher. So all CSS should be well
prepared.
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From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re:      Re: someone who sounds funny
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200110.6956@athena.mit.edu>, zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:
|> 
|> Haha, that is simple.  Here the so-called "protection" works!
|> 
|> When this guy was in Beijing in 1989, he is a ordinary PRC citizen, and NOT 
|> protected by Uncle Sam, so after shouting some brave slogans, he byebye le.  
|> Through other "stupid" people have to pay all the expense...
|> 
|> Now, this guy is an American Citizen, and a favorite & loyal son of Uncle Sam, 
|> well-protected, of course, by his masters in DC.  So it is time to go...
|> 
|> Outrageous? No, Funny? no.  
|> ----------
|> 
|> Actually, I don't care what his motivation is. The real thing is whether he violated
|> any laws in China.  That is the point.
|> 
|> Let's take a look.
|> The fact is:
|> CG/CCP didn't bother him for quite a long time, until he was going to hold a
|> meeting/ceremony of an orgnization, or whatever, targeting at overtune the government.
|> 
|> Did his action violate any laws in China?  I can not say much before I know
|> everything he did, but the likehood is high. Why? Since in China, or in US, 
|> any action aiming  at overtune the government is illegal.  Besides, in China, 
|> any orgnization, by law, should register itself in PB first.
|> 
|> Therefore, we can see even if Shen did NOT violate any law in China, he is 
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> definite a suspect by any means, therefore, PB has the right to "grab"  him.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
With your mentatity, do not talk about law here. Even in CCP's law, didn't state
that you can arrest anybody before he/she breaks the law. 

you sounds too ludicrous. 
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From: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: W. Deng and T. Bao
Reply-To: UFDZ%UFPINE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:18:00 GMT

The arrest of Shen Tong once again proved the human right problem is the key
problem of China. Shen Tong as a human being, he has the right to have free
speech. W.Deng and T. Bao should advise CCP to release S.T. to make him unfamous
D.Zhou
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From: bing@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re:  garbage document No.44
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: bing@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, HWANGK%VTCC1.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

There is a piece in it says:
"

7) All local authorities and administrations should follow the guidelines
   in the No.44 document and should simplify their procedures for
   exit/entry for the CSS, and should help returned CSS to handle the
   matters in their daily life and work.
"

We have heard of this kind of thing many times in China, haven't we?
Is it a LAW or what?   If it is not law, it worths not much more than a garbage.
What will the "people's council' do to those "local autorities" who don't
follow this?  You think them will be tried? Noway!

Even if it is a law, we have to discard it.
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From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Update on Shen Tong's Case
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:10:37 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, ho@mips.com,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@sdsc.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu,
              china@diva.berkeley.edu

      SVDC has learned that the offices of Congressmen Tom Lantos and Joe
Moakley have responded to our emergency request to investigate the Shen Tong's
arrest by the Beijing authorities.  They alerted the Congressional Human Rights
caucus which, in term, has drafted a protest letter, signed by Congressman John
Porter, to request the immediate release of the three individuals detained by
the public security and safe return of Shen Tong to the United States to
continue his education.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
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From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      Support Wang Juntao
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:59:32 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, how@iris.ucdavis.edu,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@djohn-sun.kent.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu,
              acsss@netserver.Stanford.EDU

			  * * * URGENT REQUEST * * *
				==============


Wang Juntao has been on hunger strike for thirteen days now.  His health, and
even his life, is in jeopardy.	Please show your support by writing to Chinese
authorities, embassy, consulate, Beijing government, and Deng Xiaoping.  Send
letters and postcards to President Bush and Congress to ask them to speak out.
Write to Wang Juntao at Qingzhen Prison in Beijing too.  Every letter counts.
							 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you believe that lobbying for other bills in the U.S. Congress will help
improve human rights conditions in China, Supporting Wang Juntao is an even
more urgent matter in this regard.
     ^^^^^^

SVDC is taking out a full-page advertisement in World Journal to ask support
from the Chinese and Chinese-American community.  Our Chairman of the Board and
other members have interviewed with a reporter from Voice of America to
broadcast a message to China.  They suggested to the Chinese government
officilas to promptly take corrective actions to prevent a possible tragedy.
If Wang shall die from the hunger strike, China will be further isolated in the
international community.  The immediate reaction in the U.S. Congress will
likely be additional support to the majority vote in the Senate to pass S2808,
the conditional M-F-N bill, which is coming up for a floor vote.  It will NOT be
a good idea if the Chinese dictators choose to ignore our plea!


We are asking each one of you to pick your pen to write and your phone to call
or fax.  Please not even wait for a single minute longer.  Voice your concern
now!!!


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
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From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Lou  Wang)
Subject: Re: Shen Tong's Showdown
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:38:54 GMT

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From: Tianbing Wang <bing@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Protest in San Francisco
Reply-To: Tianbing Wang <bing@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:25:57 GMT
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Please don't be so rude, Shen is among the 21 most wanted student leader
after 6.4., he may be sentenced for several years in prison, that`s a funny
way to "get famous".
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From: XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Sun Zhong-Shan, Shen Tong, Wong Jin-Wei and others...
Reply-To: XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:09:00 GMT
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Marx is a great political scientist but a bad economist.

Mao,Zhedong helped China to win independence. But he know little about
economy. "Great leap" is his attempt to keep his shrinking power because
he is so ignorant on economy and his attempt failed and brought about
a terrible disaster. Culture revolution indeed is a military coup to
regain adminstative power from Liu Shaoqi and Deng xiaoping.
After 1949, the sooner Mao die the better off Chinese people would be.

Today's CCP is not a communism party any more according to the principles
of communism. It only keeps the name. What CCP is doing is just opposite
to its principles. CCP is still a autocracy party, but now it believes in
private ownership rather than state ownership, somehow like KMT in 50s'
Taiwan, although CCP never openly admit this dramatic change. Chinese are
good at saying something while doing the opposite. See what China is doing:
all means could be used for privatization are being tried. China's GNP
's about 50% are still produced by state firms, but former Soviet and
Eastern Europe have a much higher percentage of state firms after being
democractized for quite a while. Privatization is just not a easy job.

Most scholars in social science agree that the past 13 years were golden
era of China. China has never been such hopeful in modern history. China
is enduring an important transition period to privatize state properties.
Give China some time and a better global environment, please be a little
patient. CCP was terrible before reform, but today's CCP is not the old
CCP anymore.


William Deng
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From: Chunde Shi <cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU>
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Chunde Shi <cshi@CS.ULOWELL.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:35:31 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

Article 808 of talk.politics.china:
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From: XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject:      China's Interests
Reply-To: XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:45:00 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

No matter who go to do what Shen Tong had done, the only expected result
is to be arrested. If you really wanna push China's democracy movement,
will you go announce the establishment of such a high profile office, get
arrested before anything could be done? Obviously it is a political show.
It did not help the democracy movement anything and even cause two other
people arrested. And it further jeopardize China's MFN status.

No matter who do something harmful to China's interests, I will fight against
him/her.

I am against anybody who try all means to pursue his ends, whenever his
behavior doesn't hurt China's interest, Chinese people's interests.

I knew that my post would make some netters who are very urgent to make
S.1216 law hate me, because to their eyes ST event help S.1216. See how
quick a new open letter to Bush emerge. Relax, you will be green finally.
And I also support S.1216 and acted showhow as a local coordinator.

But where is China? Are you still Chinese? When NBC slapped Chinese in its
Olimpics coverage, why didn't I see any quick response from you and S*VD?


William Deng
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From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: response to Mr. W. Dong and Mr. T. Bao's comments
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:17:00 GMT

In article <Btyr6y.G2o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, HE%NIEHS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes...
>Dear netter:
> 
>I have read Mr. Deng and Mr. Bao's comments on the arrest of Shen Tong by the
>communist authority, and I am astonished by their comments.  Here, I do not
>want to and I do not have the right and the ability to judge whether their
>comments are right or wrong, I just want to share some of my feelings with you
>and expecially with Mr. Dong and Mr. Bao.
> 
>First, both Mr. Dong and Mr. Bao said that Shen Tong had well planned his plan,
>and I agree on that.  However, it was not Shen himself, but the communist
>authority who had actually realized Shen's plan.  Shen can only make his own
> 
>Secondly, the communist authority in Beijing not only broke its own early
>promise, but also violated the current constitution by arresting Shen Tong.
>Shen did not take in any "anti-revolutionary" or "anti-constitutional"
>activities yet before he was arrested by the Beijing authority, eventhough he
>might have planned to do so.  Based on the current constitution practised in
>China, its citizen has the right and the freedom to establish organizations, to
>have meeting or conference.  Shen just wanted to practise his right and
>freedom conferred on him by the constitution.
> 
>Thirdly and most importantly, the current constitution practised in China is
>not writen and has not been approved by the Chinese people, therefore the
>constitution is not constitutional.  All versons of the consititution were and
>are passed in the so called "People's Congress", but remember all the People's
>Congress deputies were and are not elected by the Chinese people, so they could
>not, can not and never represent the Chinese people.  As this constitution is
>not constitutional and has not been approved by the its people, therefore its
>people has no obligation to obbey the contitution.
> 
>Fourthly, if that is the case that anyone should be arrested or be executed
>because he or she violated any consititution, Chairman Mao and the other
>so-called revolutionaries in China must be first arrested or be executed
>becasue they first violated the constitution of the Republic of China in 1920s,
>30s and 40s.
> 
> 
>Petter He
I just have some comments on your understanding of Constitution. Have you
approved the Constitution of the United States? Do you have the obligation
to obey it? If someone want to change it, what s/he should do?
From: zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Sun Zhong-Shan, Shen Tong, Wang Jing-Wei and others...
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:48:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <Bu2JD5.Ky7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> CNEWS@conan.ie.orst.edu writes:
>> Most scholars in social science agree that the past 13 years were golden
>> era of China. China has never been such hopeful in modern history. China
>> is enduring an important transition period to privatize state properties.
>> Give China some time and a better global environment, please be a little
>> patient. CCP was terrible before reform, but today's CCP is not the old
             =============================================================
>> CCP anymore.
>>==============
>>
>> William Deng

   One nature of CCP has never changed, that is prosecute those who oppose
CCP's dictatorship or even disagree with CCP politically.
   They can slaught Beijing Citizen to depress opposition. They are much
more brutal than Gang of Four in 4.5.  In this aspect, CCP is worse than
before reform.
   As a Chinese saying goes, Gou gai bu liao chi si de ben xieng (Dog will
never change his habit of eating shit).

  As long as CCP is in power, Chinese people will always be fearful.


Z. You
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From: Liu Yuhe <liu@ATMOS.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re:  Protest against the arresting of SHEN Tong
Reply-To: Liu Yuhe <liu@ATMOS.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:20:08 GMT
Comments: To: CHINA-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu, ST@LINGUIST.UMASS.EDU

I agree with another Shen Tong too. Where is the key? It's in hands of
the Chinese government, not in the hands of Shen Tong. Shen has his
rights to do what he did.

Yuhe Liu
U. of Maryland


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  IFCSS Council Member
  Department of Meteorology                Telephone: (301) 405-8045 (O)
  University of Maryland                              (301) 779-0350 (H)
  College Park, MD 20742                   Email:     liu@atmos.umd.edu
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From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Protest in San Francisco
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:45:53 GMT

In article <BtxEvq.BMn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> XIAOJIAN@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU writes:
>China also
>did not break her promise: it's fine to come back if you don't do it again
>no matter what you had done before.
>
>William Deng

I still hold what we have done in reaction to 6/4 Massacre is not
wrong. If there is another 6/4 Massacre, which is not unlikely, I
think I will react the same way.

In my opinion, it is the Chinese government that is guilty.

Without a person's belief and thought, that person is meaningless.
Even people don't make action in their returning of China, there
is always silent confrontation. The truth is: Something
was seriously wrong and a crime has not been punished.


Xiao Li


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From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Shameful Speculations
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:19:35 GMT

 I finaly saw some sensible posts on this group about Shen Tong's arrest. I
did think we would see no sympathy to Shen in this group.

 A question to all those who seem to have a problem with Shen Tong's plan and 
"setup", do you believe that it is Shen's fundemantal human right to do
what he has done. It is well caculated allright, so what, 

   He is NOT guilty, period!

 What makes you guys so easy to forget the basic right or wrong , shame on you!

 I have a personal expeirence with Mr. Shen and it is an extremly unpleasant
one. But his arrest is a different issue. It is not Shen Tong any more, it is
any human being in that context. One should be indignated regardless what is 
the setup.
 
  Sorry you guys, you are also in history, not so positive though.
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