HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: b(i'm an arab)ahro'l-oloom strikes back
Organization: welcome to sci
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.020928.9562@news.acns.nwu.edu> payman@nwu.edu (Payman
Parastaran) writes:
>
>In <sehari.718331733@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
>writes:
>
>>Note:  IPS, is also known as Iraq Propaganda Service.  One quick linguistic
>>analysis of following "news report", revels the person who wrote the article
>>has arabic or Persian native language. Repeated mistakes includes:
>>
>>            - Not capitalizing the beginning of sentences.
>
>Did you consider that perhaps the text of the article was all in
>uppercase characters, and that for ease of reading, they were converted
>to lowercase?   I seriously doubt that someone who knew enough English to
>write such an article didn't know that he had to capitalize the first
>word in every sentence!

and i seriously doubt that someone who knew enough about sci would object
to babak's article, payam khan.  "bebinam shomA bA mo'addel-e hefdah
vAred-e een dAneshgAh shodeh-eed?"  [(c) 1356, ostAd-e dAnesh-kadey-e 
mohandesiy-e mekAnik-e dAneshgah-e san'atiy-e AriyAmehr]

>>            - Sentences are too long for English style, more compatible
>>              with arabic or Persian styles.
>
>I didn't think so.

We didn't think either.  b(surprize! i decided to become iranian)ut, if
babak analyses an article as such, who dares to question him.  'engAr shomA
khabar nadArid.'

>>            - Each paragraph contains only one sentence!  This a known
>>              Arabic or Persian style.  No English style supports
>>              this style.
>
>This could be due to reformatting.  You're jumping to conclusions here.

"na bAbA!  ba'leh shomA aslan tAzeh vAred tashrif dArid." :-)

>I read the article and it sounded like hundreds of other news stories written
>by a native English speaker.

did it ever occur to you that these stories were written by english speaking
people for english reading people?  B(Now I am an English writing person to
try and see what it is like full stop)abak is not an English speaking or
reading person, OK?  So he can and should object to the article.  Got it? :-)

>Regardless of whether this article was
>written by a native Persian or Arabic speaker or not, I don't think you
>could make this inference solely on your "linguistic analysis".

I am afraid you are really serious, so please ignore my sarcasm.

After all, welcome to the Ocean of Knowledge (read bahro'l-oloom) ostAd
paymAn.  :-)

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

PS.  I talked to Jamshid and he cannot believe it that there is one more
knowledgeable than himself.  Unfortunately he is a 'kAseb va eenternet
meenternet hAlish nist.'  So I couldn't prove to him that we KNOW that such
'thing' exists. :-)
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:11:16 EDT
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question [Let's make a deal]
 <ld22tlINNrff@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Oct6.135048.18308@Princeton.EDU>
 <1992Oct6.163641.3227@wuecl.wustl.edu>

In article <1992Oct6.163641.3227@wuecl.wustl.edu>, seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu
(Seyyed Mahdavian) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct6.135048.18308@Princeton.EDU>
>bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
>(Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>>In article <ld22tlINNrff@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM
>(Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>>>but seriously, here's another puzzler thats sure to keep our
>>>physicists phizzing:
>>>
>>>there are three doors.  behind one of the doors is a prize.
>>>
>>>you choose a door randomly, say door # 1.  (but dont open it).
>>>
>>>i open one of the other two doors, say door #2, and show you that
>>>there is no prize behind it.
>>>
>>>at this point, i give you the choice of changing your mind
>>>and picking another door (#3), or staying with your original
>>>choice (#1).
>>>
>>>question: should you change your mind (pick #3) or stick with your
>>>original choice (#1) ?
>>>
>>>oh yeah... why?
>>>
>>>hint: dump intuition, side with logic, and the answer
>>>shall, ahem, materialize!
>>>
>>>
>>>(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)
>>
>>you pick #3, because the probability for the prize to be there
>>is %66 vs %33 for door #1.
>>
>>behzad
>
>Wrong! "Given that #2 is empty", #1 and #3 are again equiprobable, and this is
>consistent with intuition, because your first choice (of #1) doesn't affect
>anything. For a simple proof of this, consider x1,x2,x3 as three random
>variables representing the state of the doors. x1=0 means no prize behind
>door #1, x1=1 means there is a prize behind door #1, and so on. Obviously
>x1+x2+x3=1. Now P(x1=1,x3=0 | x2=0)=P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)/P(x2=0). P(x2=0) is
>the "apriori" probability, therefore P(x2=0)=1-P(x2=1)=2/3
>P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)=P(x1=1) because x1+x2+x3=1, therefore it equals 1/3.
>So the final "conditional" probability is equal to (1/3)/(2/3)=1/2, which
>is the desired result.


      In general, you cannot answer the question "What is the probability of
      winning if you swich given that you have been shown a door with no
      prize behind it?" You must know the strategy of the person who is showing
      what's behind what door or be Bayesian [or live in the Bay area:-) ].
      However, you can state without specifying an exact probability that it's
      always better to switch. (It can be shown using your argument that the
      chances of winning is AT LEAST 1/2)

RezA




>
>>
>>p.s. okay, where is my prize?
>>
>
>Your prize is a golden passe-gardani which will be given to you in MehrAbAd
>airport.
>
>Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Purpose of life or creation?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:46:43 GMT

In article <MAJID.92Oct1111751@opossum.nakano.me.tohoku.ac.jp> majid@nakano.me.tohoku.ac.jp (Majid Nili Ahmadaabaady) writes:
>>> Mr. Resza Shahidi wrote:
>>> What is the purpose of life?
>
> I think the answer is based on the answer of this question: What is
>the purpose of creation? If we find the answer of this simple and hard
>question the first one is answered. Any idea?
>
>majid

I think god is running a simulation. Now why the hell
is he/she running it? I have no idea! 
That of course implies he/she does not know the output
of the simulation. So, we are just bits here and there
0's and 1's as somebody was suggesting a while ago.
However our conciousness might be somehow conserved, I
don't know about that.(Let us not be very pessimistic) 

Sorry AghA RezA if that doesn't answer your question!
Regards,
K1
From: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu (Jay M Khodadadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iran J's in Jail Paper banned
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:37:27 GMT
Reply-To: jkhodada@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

I have not seen the cartoon, but reading a recent LA Times article which discussed this incident, it was mentioned that Farad published a cartoon showing a soccer match between Independence (Esteglal, former TAAJ) and Victory (Pirrozi, former Persepolis) and Khomeini was a player (or referee  ??) on the field.  His right arm was dripping with something which the paper suggested can be interpreted by the reader as blood. THis led to banning the magazine and setting their offices on fire.

The article was devoted to the recent Iranian best-seller magazine called Gol-Agha.  I do not have the exact date of the article, but can dig it up if anyone is interested.  It must have been few months ago in early 1992.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Chemical Engineering-1A (was Re: Physics-1A Question)
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:04:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.213017.9798@panther.mot.com>,
ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
> In article <massoud.120.717782103@chemteca.sdsu.edu>
massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:
> >In article <na+p5!+.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar
Naraghi) writes:
> >>From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
> >>Subject: Physics-1A Question
> >>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:53:34 GMT
> >>After reading few articles about late ostAd Hessabi, I got encouraged to
> >>ask an elementary physics question.  Although it does not directly have
> >>anything to do with s.c.iranian, but I thought with our resident physics
> >>major netters perhaps it could spark a new tread - a scientific one.
> >>
> >>Water boils at temperature of 100 degrees C (or 212 degrees F).  Can we
> >>prove it?  If yes, how?
> >>
> >Whenever water boils is called 100 degree C, not the other way around. The 
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >degree C is an arbitrary selection of unit.
> 
> Aren't yopu forgetting one small item?  Altitude!  100c at sealevel, I
believe.

Quite! Water doesn't boil at 100 C; it boils when its vapor pressure is
equal to the ambient pressure. Even then it might not boil if there are
no sites for bubbles to nucleate, i.e. the pressure inside a bubble is
actually greater than ambient pressure because of the surface tension of
water and the smaller the bubble the greater the pressure inside the
bubble. As an experiment put some water in a microwave oven and heat it
a little longer than normal, drop in some sugar and watch the sudden
boiling. This happens almost every time I heat up cold chai in the
microwave. The chai is superheated and when the sugar is added suddenly
there are many sites for bubbles to form and then the chai boils rapidly.
 
> > 
> >>Perhaps I should have asked can we prove the concept of 
> >temperature as an absolute property of matter?
> >>
> >If you look at temperature as an energy (which is), then every thing falls
> >in its place.
> >  
> >>Regards,
> >>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
> >>bavafa@netcom.com
> >>(415) 322-8056
> >>
> >You want challenge? Time is two dimentional!!
> 
> If you finish with time try a real tough one, military intelligence.
> 
> >
> >
> >Peace and Prosperity!
> >  ---==< 110 >==---
> -- 
> 
> >
> Ron Feigen
> ronf@panther.mot.com

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Shahreh Farang
Keywords: shahr shahreh farangeh, az hameh rangeh
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:27:04 GMT
Organization: UB


Amoojoon , Damet Garm ... Khosham Amad ... Khoob mA ro kook kardy ...

It was better than any hollywood-oscar-winning-tom-cruise-judy-foster
movie. 

Cheers
Ramin


Ps: Drop a mail if you get a chance.
From: marthab@milton.u.washington.edu (Martha Burns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Kouros
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:23:55 GMT
Reply-To: marthab@u.washington.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Can anyone tell me if Kouros has recorded tapes other than
"Nassleman"?  If so, could you please list the titles?  

Thank you!
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:11:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent2.sehari.718045887
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@vincent2.iastate.edu

In <BvI4KF.DA4@acsu.buffalo.edu> bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.132604.3224@philabs.philips.com> mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi) writes:
>>
>>I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>>whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>>family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>>that of their husbands.

>From my limited past experience and having a working mother, it
>appears that married women at work use their own last names, whereas
>outside of work they're known by their husbands' name. One funny thing
>I have sensed here though is that the American women I have known who
>got married seemed proud and eager to take their spouse's last names.
>I have no idea why. Maybe it brings them a sense of establishment or
>something. 


>					Cheerio,
>					Noushin
>-- 

American girls are thought to honor and love their husbands.  Whereas,
Iranian girls are thought to break their husbands and put a saddle behind
their husband's back!  This is one of the most important reasons that many
Iranian man usually escape from Iranian women.  I believe, this fact
even has contributed to more than %40 single rate in Iran.  The problem
is that the potential mother-in-laws, while teaching their daughter how to
correctly saddle their future husbands, have forgotten to tell their daughters
that you should catch a horse first, then you could saddle him.  Therefore,
you see these amateur horse trainers approach the Iranian men with saddle in
hand! -:)

                             With highest regards,
                                  Babak   Sehari.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: babak@athena.mit.edu (Babak Ayazifar)
Subject: >>>>   Computer Recognition of Arabic Characters   <<<<
Keywords: Arabic,Farsi,Recognition
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:24:28 GMT


Salaam,

There is a correspondence article in the August '92 issue of the 

     IEEE Transactions on Pattern Analysis and Machine Intelligence (PAMI) 

which is titled, 

	"Recognition of Arabic Characters" 

It is written by H. Al-Yousefi and S. S. Upda.

The article should be understandable to even those who are not in the
field but who have a moderate mathematical background, and contains 
references to the sparsely published papers on the subject as well. 
I thought it would make interesting reading for some of you.

Also, if anyone is aware of work done on this topic, which is not
mentioned in the above article, I would appreciate getting pointers as
to where to look it up.

Babak.
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Purpose of life???
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:13:20 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep30.142207.4536@src.umd.edu> manizh@eng.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi) writes:

 @		What is the purpose of life?

It depends on whose life you are talking about!   :-)
      
  - Farzin
              
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Interior minister proposes tougher laws against neo-Nazis
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:06:46 GMT


	BERLIN (UPI) -- Interior Minister Rudolf Seiters said Sunday he will
press for tougher laws against right-wing extremists responsible for the
growing number of attacks on foreigners in Germany.
	``I will recommend a bundle of measures to combat right-wing
extremist criminals,'' said Seiters in an interview with the Berliner
Morgenpost daily newspaper.
	Seiters said he will propose tightening laws to make it easier for
police to detain arrested right-wing extremists.
	Under present laws right-wing extremists arrested in connection with
violence aimed at foreigners are often immediately released by police on
grounds that they are not expected to flee.
	The proposed law change would allow police to detain right-wing
extremists if there are grounds to believe they would repeat such
crimes.
	Seiters also said he will recommend creation of a nationwide
emergency planning system to combat right-wing violence and a central
database on such crimes.
	Seiters will make his recommendations at a special meeting Friday
between the federal government and interior ministers of the 16 German
Laender or states.
	Right-wing violence aimed mostly at foreigners seeking political
asylum in Germany has increased during the past two years.
	Ten people have been killed by right-wing extremists and neo-Nazis in
Germany during the current year compared with three such murders in all
of 1991.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: fatemi@olympic.math.ucla.edu (Emad A. Fatemi)
Subject: Lausanne
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:32:24 GMT


I am going to be in Lausanne, Switzerland for two years.
Any Iranian readers in Lausanne?
I would appreciate any kind of information about 
what to do and what not to do, What to buy in US and
what to buy in Switzerland.

Sincerely,
Emad
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:50:19 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>I was wondering what is the position of Mujaahedin
>with regard to the 3 Iranian islands now being claimed
>by different Arab states?  Usually our resident MKO supporters
>are very quick in declaring their positions on national and international
>issues, whoever, I have not heard anything regarding this issue.

Here is my response based on my familiarity with
the Mojahedin's positions: The Mojahedin's primary
concern is the suffering of the Iranian people and
the fact that as long as the illegitimate Khomeini
regime is continuing its backward rule in Iran,
Iran's resources, wealth, human talent, etc. will
be wasted and that the country will not progrss.

Thus, their the Mojahedin's objective is to use all
their reseources and energy towards removing the current
regime and replacing it with a progrssive, democratic
and nationalist government. Once we have a national
and democratic government, and with the help of the
Iranian people, I am sure, fair and nationalist
solutions can easily be formulated to deal with the
international issues.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8612 soc.culture.pakistan:15483 soc.culture.arabic:4149
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: trick trivia :-) (Summary of responses)
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:20:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

MACk@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:


>    Ramin:  ezhdehAhA   (just kidding)
>    Ramin:  ezhdee      (or close to that)
>    K1:     ezhdehAhA   (obviously)
>    Bavafa: ezhdeha     (it's plural itlself)
>    ShAhin: ezhdehAyAn  
>    Ramin:  ezhdiAn     (willing to bet money)
>    S***    ezhdehaan

>Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know the correct answer. It might
>very well be one of the above. However, I know that "ezhdehAyAn"
>cannot possibly be the correct answer. Because "ezhdehA" is a Farsi
>word, but the "An" suffix that pluralizes a noun applies only to
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Arabic words. "ezhdehAhA" is a reasonable guess, but sounds kind of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is absolutely wrong Mack, "An" as I said before is used in Farsi
for the human nouns and sometimes other live beings.
MardomAn, gAvAn and derakhtAn are all three authentic Farsi words.
In Arabic 3 suffices "An","in" and "oon" are used for pluralizing.
Examples of these are "adibAn", "salAtin" and "rohAnioon".

-ShAhin
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:56:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cwis.saied.718134978
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

>>yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>>>I was wondering what is the position of Mujaahedin
>>>with regard to the 3 Iranian islands now being claimed
>>>by different Arab states?  Usually our resident MKO supporters
>>>are very quick in declaring their positions on national and international
>>>issues, whoever, I have not heard anything regarding this issue.

>>Thus, their the Mojahedin's objective is to use all
>>their reseources and energy towards removing the current
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>regime and replacing it with a progrssive, democratic
>					    ~~~~~~~~~~
>>and nationalist government. Once we have a national
>>and democratic government, and with the help of the
>>Iranian people, I am sure, fair and nationalist
>				     ~~~~~~~~~~~
>>solutions can easily be formulated to deal with the
>~~~~~~~~~~
>>international issues.

>This is a very weak position in connection with Iran's territorial
>integrity.  There is onlu ONE nationalistic solution to this problem.

>You sound like Mujaahedin are even ready to compomise on Iran's
>territory to achieve their goal of removing their competitors in Tehraan.

No Ala, I do not sould like that. First, it was my opinion based
on my familiarity with the Mojahedin. Second, at the end, I
conclude that, if we have a "democratic", "nationalist" (these
are the pre-conditions) and "with the help of the Iranian
people", that fair solutions can be fomulated. Is there anything
wrong with that?

It is true that we have not had democracy. But we once had a
nationalist government, that of late Mossadeq. Add to that
the element of democracy. Add to that a system that can obtain
and evaluate people's opinion. Such a system, in my opinion,
can come with best solutions that protect Iran's interests.

>Iran has NEVER had a democracy.  Imagine if Iranains did not defend
>this land because there were not democracy, justice, and freedom.
>Then there would not be an IRAN.  The land of Iran is a sacred land
>and defending it is no different than performing a religious duty.

In my opinion, it is much more important to fight for the people
who live in the land than the land (soil, or "khAk") itself. Here
is an anology. Consider your "house" and "your family" who lives
in it. If you are willing to fight for your house is probably 
because of the people inside. Am I right?  So at any given time,
one must be alert of who the "enemy" of the people is. If you
extend this anology to a country, you can easily conclude that
the enemy of people turns up to the enemy of people's culture,
people's resources, people's wealth, people's image, people's
history, etc.

[rest deleted]
From: moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 00:42:29 GMT
Subject: Seyyed Agha needs a few cc's of tolerance
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Statistics on recent Censore in Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:34:37 GMT

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:

>yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>>This is according to Peyk TV (IRI sponcered)
>>
>>The average age in Iran is 21.7
>>33% of people at the age of marriage has not married.

>What is the "age of mariage"? If the article is referring to 15 for
>men (boys?) and 9 for women (girls?), then I am not surprized by this
>number. Otherwise, what is the "age of marriage"? 20? 25? 30? 35?
>Should *I* be worried? Hurried? :-)  :-)

It did not say what the age of marriage is.
I am not sure who the statistics was calculated for.
For aakhooonds age of 9 for womwn and 15 for men is the time to get married.
For more educated people it could be different.
What is certain is that it is getting very hard for someone to start a 
family back home. On top of that is the problem of ladies who lost their
husband in the war.  The establishment encouraged married men to consider
a second wife to alleviate this problem. This solution was unacceptable
for many women and has caused problems by itself.     

As for the right age of marriage for you mack, I think it is already
too late!  A year ago there was much talk in SCI about that.  There
wer also rumors and we were hopeful (for aroosee of course).




>Thanks for the post.

>>Ala

>    --mack

>--
>You never give your heart to a stranger, or tell your secrets to a friend.
>You'll put your heart in mortal danger.  They all desert you in the end.
>The more you live, the more you love ...         --A Flock of Seagulls
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