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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:27:38 EST
From:         Graham Wolff Christian <GRAHAM@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MFIALA re: Lessing

Actually, I thought *The Real Thing* was a little spotty, but I agree that
*The Diaries of Jane Somers* were among her very best, perhaps among the best
realistic novels published in the last twenty years;other recent works, such as
the searing *Good Terrorist* or the enigmatic fable called *The Fifth Child*,
deserve high praise. Her *Stories* and *African Stories* which, together,
represent most of her work in short form before *The Real Thing* seem, to me,
demonstrations of a writer at the front of the class. I am slightly less con-
vinced by her Martha Quest books--but she is a superb writer, possessed of a
strange and original imagination. Graham Wolff Christian
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:19:08 EST
From:         Kristin <KNIELSEN@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mishima
              15 Dec 1992 22:33:42 -0400 from <YORK@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>

Mia: I've only read two of Mishima's novels, _The Temple of the Golden
Pavilion_ and _The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea_. Both were
wonderful, although I'd recommend reading _Sailor_ first, since it's
fairly short (under 200 pages I think) and I found it engrossing. Since
I read these several years ago, I don't recall all of the plot details
(the mind is slipping). What has stayed with me vividly are his
psychological portraits of the characters--twisted senses of duty,
claustrophobia, violence.

Anyone seen the film based on Mishima's life? (I think that it was
directed by Paul Schrader.) I saw it right after reading the books,
which worked well since they interspersed scenes from the books with
biographical scenes. I wonder if it would be confusing if you hadn't
read the books?

Kristin KNIELSEN@UGA.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:22:31 EST
From:         livewell@SIAM.ORG
Subject:      new literary journal
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          Some friends of mine are about to start a literary journal
          here in Philadelphia.  The first issue will come out in
          January.  They are looking for poems, short short stories,
          and original drawings or woodcuts.  There is still room in
          the first issue for a few more submissions.  They are
          looking for well-crafted verse or fiction that shows
          originality and talent.  They are also looking for book
          reviews, essays, social commentary, etc.

          Send submissions and/or questions to:

          JANUS
          6501 N. 3rd St.
          Philadelphia, PA 19126
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:32:42 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Asian Literature
              15 Dec 1992 22:33:42 -0400 from <YORK@SSCVAX.CIS.M CMASTER.CA>

I've taught Kawabata's =The Master of Go= before, but then I'm an amateur
san-dan; it had special significance for me.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:18:31 -0800
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Subject:      Quote of the Day
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I have only one firm belief about the American political system, and that is
this:  God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat.
God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle-aged male, a stern fellow,
patriarchal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and
regulations.  He holds men strictly accountable for their actions.  He has
little apparent concern for the material well-being of the disadvantaged.
He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on
literally everything in the world.  God is difficult.  God is unsentimental.
It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.
Santa Claus is another matter.  He's cute.  He's nonthreatening.  He's
always cheerful.  And he loves animals.  He may know who's been naughty and
who's been nice, but he never does anything about it.  He gives everyone
everything they want without thought of a quid pro quo.  He works hard for
charities and he's famously generous to the poor.  Santa Claus is preferable
to God in every way but one:  There is no such thing as Santa Claus.
             -- P.J. O'Rourke, "Parliament of Whores"
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:44:49 EST
From:         Frank Steen <STEEN@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      JOTS

Hello,

Does anyone know of a pieces of software called JOTS? If you do please
send me enough information so that I could find out more about it.

Thanks,

Frank Steen
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From: wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke                                               the consummate chronic prevaricator)
Subject: Re: Female authors
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:21:43 GMT

In article <01GS49R05IY0000304@AC.DAL.CA> Keep X in Xmas <JRCOVEY@AC.DAL.CA> writes:
>And while we're on the topic of great SF, how about Ursula K. LeGuin?
>
>James


Ooh! ooh!  Her "Tehanu," the last of the Earthsea series is the best of the
lot, I think.  we get to see a new side to Ged.

wing

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From: wkl1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Wing-Keong Loke                                               the consummate chronic prevaricator)
Subject: Re: Canons, continued
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:14:31 GMT

How about Jorges Borges?  I think for a work to be canonical it should
have a "life" beyond the novel a la Shakespeare's characters.

Wing

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:46:04 -0800
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Subject:      Quote of the Day
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When Shaw prepared to take an opening-night bow at one of his plays, a voice
from the balcony cried "Boo!"  Shaw responded:  "My friend, I quite agree with
you.  But what are we two against so many?"
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:10:05 -0800
From:         djl@MAILHOST.PP.PDX.EDU
Subject:      Quote of the Day
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When one thing and one thing are added together, the result is two things, be
those things oranges, pistons, or buildings.  However, if one person is added
to another person, the result is always more than two or less than two, but
never merely two.  That is, persons who genuinely meet and interact either
strengthen each other so that they are stronger together than the sum of them
separately or they damage each other so that they are weaker together than
the sum of them together.                -- Norbert Prefontaine
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:15:52 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Canons, continued
              15 Dec 1992 10:40:33 -0400 from <YORK@SSCVAX.CIS.M CMASTER.CA>

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:40:33 -0400 IAN YORK said:
>PSPARKS:  Oh, come on.  Ken didn't say you couldn't discuss the other lan-
>guages, just that you were wrong to take umbrage at the (perceived) exclu-
>sion from the mythical canon.  Try reading the mail before you reply.  And,

Quite so.  There's been a lot of talk about canons & a few suggestions for what
might go into a canon, but no canon per se--thankfully so; a several thousand
line list would make for heavy reading.  There was even one earlier post which
seemed to imply that one would be totally clueless to even think of making up
a canon without reading knowledge--in the original--of 30 or 40 or more
literatures.  If so, it would make sense to begin with language group canonical
literary lists & merge them at some point.  But it would make even more sense
to scan the critical literature about who is being discussed & call that the
canon.  Which would probably get everything anyways.  However, I guess I don't
really see any need for constructing a canonical list of any kind.  My own
tastes will not change one jot through being included or excluded from any kind
of list.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:53:01 -0800
From:         djl@MAILHOST.PP.PDX.EDU
Subject:      Quote of the Day
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Work like hell at something just a little creative.  No man grows old as long
as he can create.  You may die in the midst of it -- so may I, who am older
than you are -- but you won't die of lethargy.  -- Raymond Chandler
                                                   "Selected Letters"
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:14:02 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Canons, continued

On Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:36:31 -0600 <PSPARKS@UMKCVAX1> said:
>Not only Borges, but isaIsabel Allende.  The Spanish Language writers have
>suffered greatly in this canon, as have non-English/American writers of
>all sorts.
>PSPARKS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
>
>Pablo Neruda, Don Juan Manualel, Boccacio, Emilian Pardo Bazan, Cervnantes
>Saavedra, and, lest I be struck by lightning, BGabriel Garcia Marquez
>(it's so obvious, I almost for got!!).

Uh, Boccacio was Italian, last time I checked.  And I'm not sure what canon
you are referring to, since lists on this list have been sketchy at best.
Producing a World Lit canon would be a monumental task; I'm sure no one entity
could manage it.  In any case, a language-group canon would be a logical step
& it is hard to complain about writers in different languages being left out
in consequence.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:20:25 +1000
From:         ocoreng@DURRAS.ANU.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Canons, continued
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>Not only Borges, but Isabel Allende.  The Spanish Language writers have
>suffered greatly in this canon, as have non-English/American writers of
>all sorts.
>Pablo Neruda, Don Juan Manualel, Boccacio, Emilian Pardo Bazan, Cervnantes
>Saavedra, and, lest I be struck by lightning, Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>(it's so obvious, I almost for got!!).

I'm glad someone got around to including these guys!  The 'canon' was
getting distinctly Eurocentric for a while.

While we're at it, I know there has been growth of interest if African
writers over the past few years, but can anyone recommend some good Asian
authors who are still "accessible" to Western tastes - I know nothing about
Asian writing but I'd be interested to read some - I just don't want to
jump in at the deep end! *coward*  :-)

ROC
ocoreng@durras.anu.edu.au        ]
Robert F. O'Connor               ]     What I want to know is,
English Department               ]     who's responsible?
Australian National University   ]
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:36:31 -0600
From:         PSPARKS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Canons, continued

Not only Borges, but isaIsabel Allende.  The Spanish Language writers have
suffered greatly in this canon, as have non-English/American writers of
all sorts.
PSPARKS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU

Pablo Neruda, Don Juan Manualel, Boccacio, Emilian Pardo Bazan, Cervnantes
Saavedra, and, lest I be struck by lightning, BGabriel Garcia Marquez
(it's so obvious, I almost for got!!).
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:25:00 EST
From:         Mia T <MKISSIL@DREW.DREW.EDU>
Subject:      Asian Literature

                                        Date:     15-Dec-1992 05:17pm EST
                                        From:     Kissil, Mia T
                                                  MKISSIL
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Subject: Asian Literature

ROC:

Regarding some contemporary Asian literature, you might try checking out
an anthology called _Contemporary Japanese Literature_, edited by Howard
Hibbett.  I read this a few years ago when I got interested in the subject
of world lit.  and found it very broad-based and interesting.  It
contained short stories, plays, I think some poetry, and a movie
screenplay by Kurasawa Akira, the famous filmmaker, called "Ikuru," which
I remember just loving.

Of course, there's Mishima Yukio, but I'm sure you've heard of him.  I
have to admit, I've not read any of his work, though.  Anyone have any
suggestions about where to start?  (In my copious amounts of spare time,
I'll start reading Mishima now...)

Tatiana
MKISSIL@DREW.BITNET
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:36:15 -0600
From:         MFIALA@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MFIALA re: Lessing

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:36:05 CST
From:         steve <SPAM@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Coyote

RE: Navajo Trickster.

There is a book entitled PIECES OF WHITE SHELL by Terry Tempest Williams that
tells many of the Navajo legends.  The Trickster is amongst them, I believe.

steve harris
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Subject: Quote of the Day
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:12:07 GMT
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The news that The American Mercury is "lacking in constructive points of view"
is surely not news to me.  If any such points of view ever get into it, it will
only be over my mutilated and pathetic corpse.  The uplift has damn nigh
ruined the country.  What we need is more sin.  -- H.L. Mencken, 1924
From: chiester@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Chris Hiester)
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Subject: Search for author/speaker of quotes...
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:33:07 GMT
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I'm looking for the respective authors/utterers of the following two
quotes:

"Do not unto others what you would not want others to do unto you."


"There was a time when I merely listened attentively to what people said,
and took for granted that they would carry out their words.  Now I am
obliged to not only give an ear to what they say but also to keep an eye on
what they do."


With sincere thanks, 

Chris Hiester
Humanities Computing/CCAT
University of Pennsylvania

chiester@charity.sas.upenn.edu
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:37:56 PST
From:         Timothy Bowden <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
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       HARIHARI@ac.dal.ca writes:


> Uh, editor?

> Has any professor published a book of those student quotations?

 Been done and redundanted.  I just saw a spate of them in private mail.
 The first ever, as far as I know, was a compilation of history essays
 under the title _Then Some More Stuff Happened_, authors unlisted.

-Tim

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:53:52 -0400
From:         IAN YORK <YORK@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Retraction

        Mia, I was wrong!!!  The Mishima collection I was thinking of was called
   Death in Midsummer.  I was impressed enough to get another Mishima, and that
   was
The Way of the Samurai; and I don't think I've ever read it, although I've start
   ed it several times.
        Ian
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:34:48 PST
From:         CHELLEY@HUP.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      clovis, cultural lit
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Darn, my "delete" finger was faster than my eye. I just deleted a
note from someone who signed off from Clovis. Is that Clovis, New
Mexico? Could that person acknowledge the note again?
Thanks,
Chelley@hup.ucla.edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:10:11 -0600
From:         MFIALA@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MFIALA re: Lessing

I am also please that she 'came back'!  Have you read her latest collection of s
   short stories which was published last February, _The Real Thing_?  It's
a terrific collection.

Mindy
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Subject: level 5 patch panels or blocks
Date: 10 Dec 92 14:57:31 CST
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At our site we will be wiring a new office area with  about 600 drops of
level 5 UTP.  We will be primarily using the cable for 10baseT and
16Mb/s Token Ring.  Current estimates show at most 80% of the drops will
be in use.

What sort of patch panel/block is recommended?  Should we build a patch
panel of RJ11 jacks and jumper everything or use a punch block and run
twisted cross-connects?

We would like to leave the door open for CDDI in the future.

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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:05:28 EST
From:         Rich Weissler <dead@EDDIE.EE.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Okidata 292 (?)

        I was wondering if anyone could figure out what I was doing wrong.
   I'm using WPWIN 5.1, and my old Okidata 292, but because WIN didn't come
   with a driver for my printer, I'm using the 192 driver.  Everything seems
   to work fine until I try to print something that uses WP graphics, in which
   case it kinda looks like graphics has been turned off.  *shrug*  (It
   doesn't print anything where the graphics should be.  All the text comes
   out right... just no graphics.)  I have the "fast graphics print for the
   Win drivers (under preferences)" turned off, but I have tried it on too...
   I know I'm set up to use the windows driver to print, and the problem
   disappears if I use the WP driver.  (And I really like all the TType fonts
   I have, so I'm not ready to give up on the Windows driver yet.)
        I've looked on the archive sites for a driver for my printer for
   windows, without much success.  And I'm basically stumpted.  Anyone have
   any ideas?  Suggestions?  Flames?  *big.shrug*

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:47:00 EST
From:         "Paul.Groll" <GROLL@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Printer Drivers. . . ARGH!!

Hi,

For the question: "I have 8 MB.  Would adding a permanent swap file
help at all?"

You betcha.  If you do not specify a perm swap file, WIN31 looks at
_ALL_ the drives it can find and creates a TEMP swap file, no matter
how much RAM you have.  If it finds access to enough space, and is not
otherwise constrained, it can (and usually does) put itself up in a swap
file MUCH too large.  This can actually make your fast machine (even
with 8MB) run _slower_ (as WIN has to hash around in this massive swap
file to store and find things as the resource base changes..)

To prevent this, create a PERM swap file, and make it not-too-large.  I have
several systems with 8 MB running with perm swap files about 5 MB.  This
keeps them from using more h-disc space as virtual memory than is needed.
They all run faster this way than without a perm swap file defined.

Also, if your hardware does not seem to mind, check the box on 32-bit
access.  This can speed things up a LOT.

Good luck,

Paul Groll
Systems Analyst
Hazardous Substance Research Center
Michigan State University
groll@msu.bitnet
groll@msu.edu
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