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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: UNC vs NCSU
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:25:29 GMT

In article <29499@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
> >UNC 100 NCSU 67.   To make matters worse, what you heard is correct.
> >As if NCSU didn't have enough problems this season, they now have
> >three players declared academically ineligible this season.  Looks
> >like they'll play the role of ACC doormat this season.  I forgot who
> >the players were, but included their #4 and #5 scorers.
>
>Is Les Robinson's job in jeporady?  I've noticed that he has done poorly
>in recruiting lately; I don't think he snatched a single top 150 player 
>(this is hard to believe).  If this is true, then it looks like NCSU
>is going to be the ACC doormat for some years to come.
>
>Can anyone please explain what is happening with the basketball program 
>at NCSU?

Yeah, I know what's happening, the school has shifted its focus on getting
itself a good football team...and they have done a pretty damn good job of it
too (if it wasn't for FSU, NCSU would have been ACC champ this year...and 
would have gone to the Orange Bowl). Just look at Clemson, for years they have
focused on FB, and thier BB team has been a doormat as a result. It is _very_
difficult for a school to have both a top BB team AND a top FB team, as NCSU
is finding out. Of course, I could be totally wrong. It could be that they
just need to get themselves a new coach....where did that Valvano guy go?

>
>
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Kevin
From: lowood@lindy.Stanford.EDU (Henry Lowood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal score?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:40:57 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <29572@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.203153.7251@odin.corp.sgi.com>, kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>> I know it's early, but I think if Cal can beat Stanford this week, it 
>> will be the key to Cal having a very good season.  
>
>Whoa Ken - slow down now - nothing like going out on a limb eh? A "very
>good season" - what the hell does that mean? Beating Stanford is the
>key???? In the pac-10 this season???? I'm afraid I need you to clarify that
>part of it for me.... 
>
I wish the Cal-Stanford game meant something, but I doubt it.  You are talking
about teams that have collectively lost to Chaminade, Cornell, American 
University, San Jose State, and James Madison.  This past weekend, both lost
to Oregon State AT HOME, and Stanford nearly lost to Oregon.

Sorry, but Stanford is already a lost cause this season, and Cal is beginning
to look like one.  I thought Kidd might overcome the streak of overexpectations
not being fulfilled, but it seems that even he is not.  As for Stanford, they
are just good enough to hang tough for 30-35 minutes against a lot of teams,
but the lack of depth or even quality at the power positions and the cold
shooting is killing them.  It now appears that injuries will knock Weaver,
Poppink, and Harbour out for the season (Harbour and Poppink might still 
play some, but Weaver is out).  This, plus the losses of Keefe, Garrett, and
Williams, means that Stanford is STARTING number 6 on last year's depth
chart, or a freshman who wasn't supposed to play much, or Morgan at about
70 percent due to his bad back.  Oregon State killed them on the boards.

Sorry, this game will be fun, but very little is riding on it.

Henry


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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Our Championship (was: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof)
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:33:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.223009.2145@news.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.200025.3559@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>>It is easy for Coach K to credit the crowd for victories when Duke typically
>>plays its first 4 tourney games in its own back yard.  This is totally an
>>unfair advantage.  It is unfair mostly because in most years, #1 seeds rarely
>>get even close to their hometown.  The tourney should match teams on as level
>>a playing field (ie neutral court) as possible in order to determine which
>>team is best.
>
>	Gee, for the '91 tourney, Duke was in the Midwest Regional and wasn't 
>even the number one seed.  For the '92 tourney, Duke played the regionals in
>Philadelphia.  I think the subregional was in the Meadowlands, but I could be
>mistaken.  Hardly Duke's backyard.

Duke, backyard, New Jersey...

That's just tooooooo easy!

;^)

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Terps fall to Ga. Tech 85-75
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:01:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.155352.16551@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.211342.19405@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>,  
oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

> |> Funny that the announcers commented that Cole was the quietest
> |> that they'd ever heard it.  Guess they brought their earplugs too.

> 	The announcers were obviously not sitting in the students section.

In the same arena, then?

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From: mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams)
Subject: Re: Terps fall to Ga. Tech 85-75
Organization: Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:35:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.164245.15870@vitro.com>, mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick) writes:
|> The ACC season opened with Georgia Tech defeating Maryland 85-75 at Maryland.
|> The Terps shot only 29% in the first half, while Georgia Tech shot 50%. The
|> real killer for Terp fans: the Terps were 7-21 from the line!! If they shot a
|> reasonable percentage, it would have been a closer game. Then again, there are
|> always what ifs!
|> 
|> Johnny Rhodes and Kevin McLinton each had 15. Travis Best led the Jackets with
|> (I think) 25. He's a sharp guard; Tech definitely falls off a notch when he
|> goes to the bench. James Forrest also had a good game.

	I am not trying to come up with any excuses but, watching the game I 
thought all the freshmen including the vetrans were a little nervous playing in
this season opener.  Johnny Rhodes missed some easy buckets.  Although Exree
Hipp had a hot hand nailing his first shot with a three pointer I thought he 
kind of choked after that.  We got killed totally on the boards both on
offence and defense.  And someone has to tell Evers Burns he can't win the 
ball game all by himself.  I have my fingers crossed for the upcoming ACC
games.  

GO TERPS!!


Mikail Shams
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From: rogers@ofc.Columbia.NCR.COM (HL Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Hurley Stomps Mackey!
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:11:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporate SLM, Columbia, SC

>>>Hey, that
>>>was no foul. Hurley ran into Mackey, plain and simple.
>>
>I agree that it wasn't a foul and have heard many people (and they aren't 
>all anti-Dookies) say it wasn't a foul either (including the announcers of
>the game).  Mackey's hands came a couple inches off of his body, but that's
>only natural.

It was an intentional foul.  You just can't let these guys from
Puke stomp on an opposing player's chest without calling something.  
The ref blew it.
-- 
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These opinions are mine and may not be consistent
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: 500 wins for Coach Crum
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:41:58 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <8424@news.duke.edu>, rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
|> In article <1ij71pINNrc9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
|> >he is the 2nd quickest to 500 wins (Right behind Tarkanian).  The win came
|> 
|> Well, you know what they say about birds of a feather...
|> :-)
|> 
|> - Rob Mac K
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> *ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
|> *        [}uke             1991 National Champions      "Wekickus         *
|> *          Blue Devils:    1992 National Champions           Sumassus"    *
|> ****************************************************** rjm1@acpub.duke.edu*

Coach Crum shouldn't even be related to Tarkanian. What's he ever done wrong?
Has Louisville ever been in trouble with the NCAA? I can't remember anything.

Doesn't he pay for his players to come back to school when there eligibility
expires? So he's taking inner city kids for the most part, putting together
pretty decent teams and then helping the kids when their eligibility is up.....
Sounds like a pretty good coach to me.

The only thing Crum did wrong was go on 60 minutes. If 60 Minutes wants to 
make you look bad..........You're dead!!!

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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:43:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Distribution: na
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <will.726426775@ogre> will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler) writes:
>In <C0GKn4.5y2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
>
>>Since it is accepted wisdom in some circles that Bob works miracles
>>with little talent, I was wondering.  Could a coach build a National
>>Championship team from Knight players who transfered or left?
>>Here is my list.   Can you make additions?  
>
>>Imaginary lineup 
>>	1.  Isaiah Thomas      		Detroit 
>>	2.  Delray Brooks  		Providence? 
>>	3.  Rick Calloway  		Kansas	
>>	4.  Larry Bird  	 	Indiana St.
>>	5.  Lawrence Funderburke 	OSU  
>>	6.
>>	7.  etc 
>
How about Dean Smith:

	1. Michael Jordan

Need I continue?

	2. James Worthy
	3. J. R. Reid
	4. Cliff Rozier
	


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Subject: REQUEST: St. John's Info
From: rx84335@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 09:54 EST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lilly Research Laboratories
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 11

Hi,

  I'm a St.Johns fan stuck in Indiana.  Is there
  someone on the net who can keep me posted as to
  what is going on with the Redmen?  I would 
  appreciate any and all info, especially game
  info.  I'm at Benvenga_Mark_J@Lilly.Com

 Thanks.


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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Kentucky - Georgia
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:18:09 GMT

 Comments:

 1. UK's defense was awesome.  Every Georgia pass was an adventure.  The
    team is so quick this year.

 2. Georgia has some talented (albeit inexperienced) players and a lot of
    depth, but absolutely no chemistry.  Durham seems to be searching for
    some combination that works.  If he finds one this could be a decent
    team by tourney time.

 3. Mashburn has really improved his defense this year.  How many times
    did he take the ball away from Willie Anderson's little brother?

 4. It was nice to see Tony Delk get some quality minutes and look pretty
    good.  I got a little worried when UK was behind early and both Ford
    and Brown were in foul trouble but the team looked good with Delk at
    the point.  Actually, I thought their defense was better with Delk 
    in the game.
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: UNC defeats Maryland
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:44:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.185724.49524@watson.ibm.com> dave_lutz@vnet.ibm.com (Dave Lutz) writes:
>In <1993Jan11.222428.4330@samba.oit.unc.edu> Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>>Turnovers:  UNC - 23, Maryland - 23
>>
>Did anyone count how many turnovers George Lynch had?  He really made a lot of
>bad passes.  His favorite full court pass after a rebound must have been 
>intercepted 4 or 5 times!  I noticed after the 4th or 5th time George threw 
>the ball the length of the court only to have it picked off, Dean literally 
>jumped off the bench and stared George down giving him the "Think" sign 
>(finger pointing to his temple).  Dean subbed in about 4 players a minute 
>later and George wouldn't look at Dean and was fighting for the seat furthest 
>away from Dean.  I guess because of his seniority he got it (unlike Williams 
>at the State(?) game)!  

It's funny you should mention that.  My brother and I were screaming at
him during the that stretch of turnovers.  There were something like 6
trips down court where he either missed a shot or turned the ball over.
Hell, we even started to predict (correctly) his turnovers...

I still think Lynch is trying to do too much.  He forces the outside shot
a little too much and wants to make too many spectacular passes.  It appears
as though he is starting to play within his range a little more, so that
is comforting.

>I really like the way the Heels are playing, but they've got to cut down on 
>the number of turnovers.  Teams like Duke and Ga. Tech are going to take a lot
>more advantage of turnovers than N.C. State and Maryland have.

UNC has more than 20 TOs in 4 games this year, and all were blowouts.  
They tend to get sloppy when they have a BIG lead.  I don't see them doing
the same against Duke or GaTech.  If they do, Duke and GaTech will likely
have comparable TO stats.

>Any odds on the emotional state of the Yellow Jackets?  I'm hoping they're a 
>little drained after getting so pumped for the Duke game.

Amen.

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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Duke-Tech game
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:40:21 GMT

In article 14790@oracle.us.oracle.com, mpollak@oracle.uucp (Maximilian Pollak) writes:
>|
>|I have nothing against the Yellow Jackets, but I just don't think Coach Cremins is a very good coach.  Coach Cremins does not react to game situations very well and he doesn't develop players so that when a big star leaves someone else with experience can replace him.
>|
>|Just to reiterate, I am not flaming GT.  I think they would beat teams like Duke more often if they had a better bench coach, player development system and depth resulting from underclassmen playing along with upperclassmen.  Hope Sunday is a good game for both Duke and GT.
>|
>|Max
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|


Max,  I kind of agree with you on Coach Cremins.  I think he has problems getting the most out of some of his palyers, but I love the guy because he is just such a great
guy and he is so good for Tech.  He tries to help his players, he gets them jobs after their eligibility runs out so that they can finish their degrees (Bruce Dalrymple),
he tried to get Anthony Sherrod (RIP) a tryout with the US Team Handball team, and he looked into the profitability of his players turning pro early (Salley, Scott, and Anderson).  I would rather have him than say Eddie Sutton or Tarkanian.  I think he'll have his breakthrough sometime.

On his bench situation, he has publicly stated that he prefers a small team because 
he wants to have a family atmosphere on the team and that he would rather suffer the consequences than have a bunch of players bickering over playing time.  Beside, Dennis
Scott was the first one of his players to turn pro early.  He learned his lesson and recruited Travis Best in case Kenny Anderson turned pro, which he did.  He just
hasn't had any real luck getting the big man to come to Tech.  I rememeber that Tech
was exclusively recruiting both Alonzo Mourning and Don MacLean when they signed 
with Georgetown and UCLA.  So the man knows talent.  He has his way of recruiting, and 
you can't fault him, given the players that he has recruited.

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From: morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: That was no lady ...
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:48:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center

micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen) wrote:
>
>Something that's been annoying me since I began following
>women's hoops at the old UVa is the constant reference to
>women's teams as the "Lady So-and-so's." It seems to 
>perpetuate the perception of the second-class nature of
>women's basketball. 
>
>It's as though women can't be referred to as part of the
>general student body (or athlete body or whatever) and have
>to have some sort of seperate category.

Well, it isn't just women's basketball.  Here in Lexington, I see
regular references to the "Bat Cats", "Gym Cats", and "Cool Cats"
(for the baseball, gymnastics, and hockey teams, respectively), as
well as the "Lady Cats".

I think that both tradition and convenience have dictated that "Cats" 
refers to the men's team currently in season, i.e. football or basketball.  
Consider for a moment the effect of seeing the following headlines on a 
single spread of your sports section:

	"Cats escape IU 81-78"
	"Cats fall to Auburn 91-89"
	"Spring training promising for Cats"
	"Cats split doubleheader with Xavier"
	"Texas juco signs with Cats"
	"Cats prepare for #1 Stanford"
	"Cat coach proud of NCAA performance"

Of course, you'd have to read each article to discover that they refer
to (in this example) men's basketball, women's basketball, men's
baseball, men's hockey, football, gymnastics, and women's volleyball teams.  

What would TV announcers do?  They have (usually) fewer than 6 minutes of
the typical 30-minute news broadcast, and "Lady Cats" is faster than "the 
UK women's basketball team".  

"Lady Cats" may be seen as diminutive and "Bat Cats" may seem a touch
silly, but the alternative is quite a bit of confusion.  The question,
"Are you going to see the Cats tonight?" could be answered 4 or 5 different
ways around here........

--Wes

ps> When men's basketball was under freshmen ineligibility, the UK
    freshmen team was referred to as the "Kittens".  How's *that*
    for second-class?  8)

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Trivia Answer (Duke winning streak)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 06:07:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The question was, who was the last non-conference opponent to defeat Duke
at home.

The answer is Louisville, in 1983.

Mike
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