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From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Organization: Don't blame me, I voted for Bill 'n' Opus
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:35:43 GMT

In article <46wr3cr@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>
>I can't leave the criteria out, that's what the whole argument is about. I
>understand you're uncomfortable, because the particular criteria in question
>happens to be something personal and deep for you, your religion. 
>OK, then, lets move it in a different direction- 'Intelligence' then. (And
>I'm bringing Mr. Wright into this only because I still feel that these two
>situations are very similar). If I said:
>"Des Moins has a population probably close to 300,000 people. I find it 
>>really< hard to believe that one can't find a well-educated, intelligent
>man in a city of 300,000 people."
>Would that be better? (And that sounds 'patronizing', but it isn't, I'm
>sure you understand the tone in which its presented :)

Actually, the only way in which the Judaism angle affected me was to
raise the level of irritation enough for me to respond.  I don't care
much for your statement above, either.

The problem, as I see it, is that the statement, "I find it really hard
to believe...." implicitly excludes the other criteria that the other
person has implicitly included.  To me, "I can't find...." is
functionally equivalent to saying, "The set of .... isn't large enough
for me to find someone who matches my other criteria."

In my case, I found a woman wonderful enough for me to broaden the set I
was willing to look at, but it was a *very* close decision.  It all
comes back to the Lists thread: what are valid criteria to apply to PSOs
(Potential SOs)?  I don't see that religion (== compatibility issue) is
an unreasonable criterion to apply.

>I don't believe this either- I've got a good friend in SF, who is Jewish,
>who has no trouble meeting Jewish friends of her age group+ (she is high
>school senior/college freshman age).

Heh.  Well, she's female.....  (Nononono, I do *not* want to start that
thread again, either.)

But I was talking more about people roughly 22-27, who are out of
college but don't have as much of a support network.  It's also
difficult if you're a bit younger and not in college.

>Dunno- I still think that one can always find what one is looking for, given
>that one is willing to look hard enough.

....and long enough.  The problem is that if you really look hard,
you're not enjoying Life.  It becomes a delicate balancing act.  In the
end, you have to make decisions about what you're willing to compromise
on, if you can't find what you're looking for.

Let's try this from a different angle: would it have pissed you off so
much if Shelley had posted an article like, "Can anyone give me advice
on how to find a Jewish man in the Des Moines area?  If not, can you
recommend good parts of the country that don't include New York,
Chicago, or Los Angeles?"
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Virtual anniversary: 5 days ago
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Women, Cats, & Chocolate
Organization: who, me?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:21:19 GMT

In article <ljufv4INN9d6@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
[in response to LINDA OSSANDER...]
>Doing so makes me think that you're the type of bimbo who still dots her i's
>with smiley faces 30+ years after leaving jr. high.


No, no, Dawn, I think you're wrong here.  Hearts.  Definitely little 
hearts.  Bleach.


Piglet, retching....
Xref: sparky soc.singles:35460 soc.men:22246 soc.women:22228
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Duck and Jive (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract )
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:33:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <TJG01.93Jan5160303@thdhub.HomeDepot.COM> tjg01@thdhub.HomeDepot.COM (Terry Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan04.035142.19630@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>
>   In <1993Jan4.011649.17077@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>   >margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes...
>   >
>   >>Please report to james dutton for sensitivity training.
>   >
>   >Who is James Dutton?
>
>And what is "sensitivity training"?
>

Would that be a man Terry(w seester) or a women Terry?
It makes a difference!
 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Re: ISO Babes
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 02:07:33 GMT

In article 1iift0INNm4p@uwm.edu, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:

>The most wretched curse uttered by you delights my ears in the bliss of
>its sweet sound.  Engage me with your spoken word, and I will likewise seek
>your engagement.

Yeccch and Fehhh! 

You are undoubtedly proposing too much for my tastes. 
Are you sure this belongs in soc.singles?

Gosh, I would have sworn that I was reading arc!

dreas
From: al357@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John H. Whitehouse, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: FREE BBS for Singles
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:26:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Might try the Electronic Dreams BBS in Cleveland 216-356-8738
support baud rates to 38400 (N81).  
 
Requires mailed registration so that sysop has proof of real
name and age, but you're only known by a codename on the
BBS - thus strictly confidential - anonymous.
 
The board offers classifieds, electronic mail and computer
matching.
 
FREE - No Fee.
 
Check it out !
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 09:11:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


***Included text from Shelley's Ill-placed personal ad***
My name is Shelley Kitsis and I reside and work in Des Moines, Ia.
For 3 years now, I've tried every available resourse I can get my 
hands on, in hopes of meeting an eligible single Jewish "Mensch"!
I've tried the singles cruise (met some nice people, but 
unfortunately, no fireworks!), put a personal ad in a midwest 
Jewish Single's magazine....received quite a few responses and 
ended up jetting off to almost any major U.S. city in order to 
meet these men, but again, no go!
***

This, to me, sounded like bemoaning her fate, especially in light of
her other personal ad (ill placed- ignorance is no excuse, this is not
the newsgroup for personal ads or your private mail messages to people),
sounds a whole lot like somebody who is quicker to blame ones environment
rather than oneself. Des Moines and surrounding area has a population of
probably close to 300,000 people. I find it >really< hard to believe that
one can't find a single jewish man in a city of 300,000 people.
r.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: Mega-stud seeks large woman....
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:17:13 GMT

In article <4hzr=xl@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.104810.26647@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ron@turing.toronto.edu (Ron Wessels) writes:
>>mhull@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Mj Hull) dreams:
>>>Hi! I'm a 23 year old engineer who is looking for a casual relationship
>>>with a beefy woman.
>>I am truly cowed by the thought!
>
>Well, it was a personal ad in the wrong newsgroup, but as they say, 
>To err is human, to forgive, bovine.
>:)
>r.

   How mooving...

   songbird
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
From: louis@cpd.Tandem.COM (Louis Meadows)
Subject: Re: Meeting guys
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:09:40 GMT

In article <C0ELDC.21p@mach1.wlu.ca>, macl6441@mach1.wlu.ca (macleod heather) writes:
>I've been reading a lot lately here about how men should go about meeting
>women, but nobody seems to be giving many suggestions on how women can meet
>men.  I ended a four year relationship a month ago, and I'm ready to meet
>someone new, but I'm not really comfortable with the bar scene.  There are
>guys in some of my classes, but I'm pretty shy.  Can someone give me some
>advice?
>Thanks!!


I agree the bar is not the best place, after all sometimes things are a lot
different in the morning when your sober.   Try sports like Sking, Surfing,
running, weight lifting.   Find something that has lots of guys and few other
women.  Programming classes are good for this, if you want a computer nerd.  
Do look at the guy you want offten, smile and wink it doesn't hurt.  

Louis 


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:19:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.212105.9911@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>
>Hmmmm, I remember something like that from my college days.  I really wanted
>to meet someone by the time I graduated so I could go home and tell everyone
>that not only did I get a degree BUT I met this great guy and we're starting
>a business (yeah).  Well I had this really BABE roommate, butt-length pale
>blonde hair, great figure, excellent personality, etc.  So we'd be out
>somewhere and some really foxy guy would come up and start chatting with ME
>(wow!) and I'd think I was going to pee my pants because he actually
>wanted to talk to ME and then the bomb would drop when he'd say:  "So, Nancy,
>what I'd really like to do is have you introduce me to your friend ..."
>and he would very promptly be told to piss off in another direction.

(hahahahahahaaaahahahahha!)

   Great!  I'd recently went out with someone, but when introduced
to her roommate I was more attracted to I had to figure out a way
to stop all of this from getting outta hand.  So I told the first
one how I felt and she has never called again.  The roommate had
no feelings towards me so it has all gone away into oblivion.  A
rare case of LJBF in reverse that fizzled too fast.

   songbird

(nance you really should watch your pees and clues or the
golden shower brigands will sword fight snow to meet you ;)
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: The Classiest Pickup Lines
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:05:39
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
	<6JAN199313513483@utarlg.uta.edu>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.cs.unc.edu
In-reply-to: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:16:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.141650.9989@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:

   In article <6JAN199313513483@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zau@utarlg.uta.edu (The Brothers Grimm (Wayne and Ez-E)) writes:
   >
   >How about this classic, "Would you like to dance?" and if/when the person
   >says no reply "No, I said you look FAT IN THOSE PANTS!"...

   I love it!!!  And I'm going to use it!!!!!!!

Oh, Nance, what do you need pickup lines for when I'm still available?
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn)
Subject: Re: finding it when ya ain't lookin'
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:44:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.145019.15359@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> 
nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.175638.2576@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu 
(The Wolf) writes:
>>
>>In the thread on meeting people, posters have been emphasizing things 
like
>>getting involved in activities which are interesting anyway, or using the
>>immediate situation and just "going with it".  What people seem to be 
saying is
>>that when one is not caught up in meeting someone, that's when s/he meets
>>someone.  It might seem like a paradox, but try it; it has been my 
experience.  
>Oh, Bingo.  Said much better than I did.  

I'm DEFINITELY of the opposite opinion.  I want to take a much more active 
approach in trying to meet a SO.  This is partly due to the fact my 
profession and activities are not that conducive to meeting women and 
partly due to my general nature of wanting some influence on what happens 
to me.  Just letting thigs work themselves out seems too passive.
   Meeting your eventual partner is probably 99% luck and being in the 
right place at the right time, and the more people you meet the better 
your chances are going to be.  I guess I want to maximize my chances.
  Some women and men say they are turned off by someone who 
appears too focused or "desperate" but how prevelant is this attitude, 
really?  Is it that much of a turn off to talk with someone who at least 
is clear on what they want and is honest enough to say so? 
  Based on my own experience, the extremely direct approach doesn't always work, but when it does click it seems to be something special.

              Larry

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From: m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov (Bruce F. Gilsen)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:23:35 GMT
Reply-To: m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov (Bruce F. Gilsen)
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

In one article, mine@iowegia.uucp (shelley kitsis) wrote that she 
wanted an eligible Jewish man.

In another article, Tim wrote (amongst other things):
> Well, call me crazy Shelley, but did you ever consider dating
> someone who, (GASP), wasn't Jewish?

etc.

Shelley, hang in there and keep looking for what you think is important.

Tim, your question reminded me of an article I posted in February 1992, 
which I'll repeat here to prove that all threads come back in some 
form or other.

>About 18 months ago, I became friends with Z (not her real name, or
>even her real initial).  When I expressed my interest in things
>becoming more intimate, she declined because she had an SO, and our
>relationship remained platonic.  Some months later, we were talking about
>relationships, and I said that I would not marry outside of my faith
>(Jewish).  Z was very upset, because she very strongly believed that
>I should have told her this when I made my romantic interest known.
>She's raised this issue 2 more times since then, because it continues
>to really bother her a great deal.

>Now, I'm a very strong believer in Honesty, but after a good deal of 
>thought, I don't believe that I was obliged to say something like, 
>"I'd like to <insert intimate activity here> with you, but errrrrr, 
>ummmmm, by the way, I can't marry you." ;)

>Anyone have any thoughts on whether the fact that you're not looking
>for a permanent relationship should be discussed prior to any intimacy
>taking place, or any experiences along these lines to share?
>If you were in Z's postition, when would you expect to know?

Responses ranged from "Don't date 'em if you don't wanna marry 'em" to 
suggesting that I should be more open-minded to one suggestion that 
perhaps she was upset because had she realized that I was offering a 
"trip to McDonalds" rather than a "seven course steak dinner," she might
have been interested.

Bruce    m1bfg00@fed.frb.gov
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 07:36:11 GMT

(EddieBaby's Kvetching Deleted)

I thought EddieBaby was only scheduled to return in five months or so.

Dos is Kosher?

dreas

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: Breaking up is hard to do....
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.132159.21851@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jsmt@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Julia Smith) writes:
>Now that the holidays are gone, 'tis the season to revise relationships
>(don't know why, but it seems to be happening alot).  My question:
> 
>What do you do when you know it is over/you find yourself uninterested/
>you want to be moving on?
> 
> 
>--j
>  
><ref:  comrade and I having a large difference of opinion about the
>        "just stop calling and eventually the person figures it out"
>        method.  I am curious how pervasive it is.>

     In my last relationship, I told her that I did not see the
relationship as a long-term type and I would be happy with a
friendship with some physical aspects.  She did not like what I 
said that much.  The major complicating factor was that the only way
that she would lose her virginity is if she knew that her lover truly
loved her and vice versa.  It seemed as if she wanted some type of
commitment which I would not give her.  Within a day or two she
called and said that she did not want a personal relationship with
me, but if we saw each other at functions it was all right to say
hi.  I felt extremely happy when told me.  I have not spoken to her
or seen her since.  I did hear, without my asking, from a friend that
she moved out of the area.

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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:45:10 EST
From: Psycho!! <HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Revenge of Son Of Women in Combat....

>Lets get FUNKY
>
>        - Olivia Newton Jamesbrown

I wouldn't forgive myself if I didn't...


   LET'S BEAT IT!!!

        - Olivia Newton Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Females have it easy!
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:04:00 GMT
Organization: Society for the Promulgation of Cruelty to the Clueless

In article <1993Jan4.031319.3598@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.015446.26676@panix.com> sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.225406.13215@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

>>>Trygve   ("Do you often accidentally kill or main your lovers during sex?")
>>
>>That's what the chains are for.
>
>I protest--none of the people I know who use chains or other sturdy bondage
>equipment in the bedroom ever accidentally kill or maim their lovers.

That was precisely my point: the chains prevent unfortunate accidents.

Seth
From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Ankle bracelets
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:33:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Tim (bart@muppet.bt.co.uk) wrote:
:Well in the latest issue of Select Magazine here in the UK there's a bit about
:body piercing and who in the music industry has what. Lots of queasy stories
:about ears (well OK fine), noses, eyebrows, navels (!?), tougues, but basically
:superceded by that Zodiac Mindwarp fella with his so called King Albert...
:

And then there is Psychic TV. 

Yeuch!

	Aaron
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Her mother wants to kill me
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:43:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <C0Kv7L.Jpw@portal.hq.videocart.com> dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes:
>GWOODS@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Gregory L. Woods, Jr.) writes:
>: but now her mom has threaten my life if I
>: come near her house(her mom professes to be a christian). 
>
>Greg,
>
>  That christian part scares me. Especially born-again. For all they claim
>to be, christians are the most judgemental people i know. My sister, her
>  If angela's mom is like that, you can expect that you will probably never
>fit the mold for "her precious", and that all of your actions are suspect.
>
>Dave

Greg and Dave,
Can we talk Heathen to Heathen to Heathen?
Now I don't want offend DruusAppleCorePersonalValueSystem BUT it is quite
clear that your SO's mother is hiding behind this christian thang in an effort
to protect her repressed sexual(and yet motherly) feelings for Gregory.
 
This puts you in a precarious position of having to balance the honesty
of your relationship with your SO, with providing "the" fulfillment to
her mother, while still having time for the non-believers such as myself not
to mention Daves rather jaded view of our thumping breathren.
 
Now I believe(truely) that in order to make your relationship work you
must provide her mother with that little bit of attention she so obviously
craves.              
 
So the next time your find yourself at the love altar and your SO steps into
the other room for a sacrifice or something, saddle on up to Saint Momma
and give er a lil pinch. She has needs,wants,desires just like us ig no rant
mortals. Remember a lil tongue goes a long way.
 
Hope this helped and keep us posted.
 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Any Available Jewish Men Out There??
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:55:40 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan8.223312.20621@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

>Well, I'm glad you can quantify physical attractiveness so easilly; I
>find it very hard to quantify--

Really?  Hasn't the fitness movement given us a "scientific" definition
of attractiveness ("fitness") and a host of easily quantifiable
measurements -- body fat and muscle ratios, pulse rates, lap times,
benchpress weight, bicep measurements, number of exercise "reps," 
sports scores and "averages," to name just a few.

What could be more quantified than that?