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From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Minoritity in Govt. positions
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:38:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.200837.8936@cs.yale.edu>, ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU 
(Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes...
>. ..... (stuff deleted) ......
>-- Shakil

 My Dear Shakil,

 I think that you are trying to traduce the issue here. Please allow me to 
 point out that in general Mr.Boo has NOT done Islam-bashing. Yes, sometimes
 he went off the mark. The remarks of "Dave" character are really from Mr.Ghosh
 who comments on what is going on Islamic countries. (I am NOT defending him.)
 If you would kindly give me some time, I can clearly find source materials to
 establish that in Bangladesh, because of the Jammat-i-Islam group in good
 power, and, being fuelled by Gulf money, minority communities (Hindus) are now
 discriminated. This is a model following Pakistan. FYI, in Pakistan when 
 Benzair came to power, she initially tried to make truce with India and allow
 talks with India, but, soon the situations changed - and she was thrown out
 because she was `liberated'. Now, Bangladesh is unfortunately an Islamic
 country - by her own choice. In any Islamic country, when minority communities
 are discriminated, and when Bangladesh has virtually a dying economy - trying
 to survive on loans only, I don't see why Mr.Boo's remarks on the issue of
 discrimination are to be taken with wrath and contempt. As Sandeep puts it in
 a succint manner, Bangladesh being an Islamic country, has now adopted the
 policy to promote Moslems, while Hindus are to be dispensed off with. The
 comment (hypothesis) holds water in view of Bangladesh's Islamic stand.

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:4481 soc.culture.indian:28140
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:35:03 GMT

In article <86423@netnews.upenn.edu>, sarkar@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Nilanjan
Sarkar) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.142745.20253@uceng.UC.EDU> mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj
Ghayalod) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug18.010844.16734@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU
(Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> >>
> >>In article <1992Aug17.195658.19605@uceng.UC.EDU>, mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU
(Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
> >>> In article <1992Aug17.151927.11957@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU
(Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> >>
> >>> Maybe when there are not enough women to go around.  
> >>
> >>The world population has more women than men.
> >>
> >We are not talking about the world we are talking about Islamic countries,
> >are you saying that in all Islamic countries there are more women than
> >men. And if I show you one Islamic country with a higher female population
> >will you agree that in that country polyandry should be allowed there?
> 
> A small observation : In order to prove the 'timelessness' of this religious
> dictum, one needs to show that not only now but never will the number of
> man  exceed the number of woman. The domain can be global if world population
> is the thrust of the argument, or it should be satisfied  even in the small
> domain of each Islamic state and should keep on being satisfied till the end
> of this universe. How can one prove this ? Otherwise, if such situations ever
> arise, then those single men, who will be single because polyandry is not
> allowed, can very well consider this law to be a discrimination against them.
> 
> 
> >
> >Manoj
> 
> Nilanjan
> 
> P.S. Shakil, I know I said I won't take part in this debate anymore, but
>      it is too tempting to resist :-) And, after last night email exchange
>      I guess we understand each other better. So, hopefully you will shed



This argument seems to be going round in circles. The entire debate appears to
be based on the argument that polygamy was allowed to take care of the
contingency of women outnumbering men because of war etc. But this looks like
an explanation given by some people (scholars ??) to justify the verse in the
Qu'ran allowing polygamy. But as far as I know, no such explanation is given in
the Qu'ran for allowing polygamy. I don't know about any hadith giving such an
argument. In any case determining whether the Qu'ran or God or the Prophet
Muhammad are sexist based on the current premise is unfair.

--Javed.
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:30:11 EDT
From: <RBNXHS@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jobs in Bangladesh

There has been some inquiries concerning JOBS in Bangladesh. Please,
address those questions direct to me at the above e-mail address or
call me (215)-785-8850 (between 8:30 - 17:00 hours, weekdays). If
you are trying to contact me thru' e-mail, please, provide your
*right* e-mail address. I had difficulty in reaching some interested
folks, possibly due to wrong address.

Here are some more answers to your inquiries:

       1. The North-South University is located at Banani, Dhaka.
       2. Classes are expected to begin in January of 1993 (subject
          to an approval by the Bangladesh Jatiya Parishad, which
          is currently under discussion).
       3. The total teaching load per semester is 4 courses (and
          may be repeated for subsequent semesters).
       4. The salary range is US $ 1,000-2,000 per month, depending
          upon qualifications. (The appointments should be for a
          minimum period of one semester.)
       5. The university is going to function as a non-profit private
          institute (i.e., all the incomes would be spent for meeting
          education related expenses, including salaries, etc.)
       6. Only Bangladeshi nationals and US citizens/permanent
          residents of Bangladeshi origin, may apply for the position.

For further clarification, please feel free to contact me. Thanks.

---- (Dr.) Habib Siddiqui.
From: ahsharif@violet.uwaterloo.ca (AH Sharif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Backbiting
Keywords: Backbiting, problems
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:22:36 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

Is there any moral or ethical experts out on this net?
We are looking for exact definition of backbiting, its variation,
and its possible related problems. What Islam says about it?
If you are a victim of it consistantly from a particular person,
what should be your responses -forgive and ignore?

When your friends/community is a victim of it from another group/community,
what should be your commuinity responses -ignore it or spend time with it?

Any E-mail responses are welcome  to -
      ahsharif@violet.waterloo.edu
      Hoque
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar)
Subject: NO-CONFIDENCE vote in Bangladesh Parliament
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:54:45 GMT
Keywords: Any info?

I understand that there was a `no confidence' vote in the parliament about
a week to ten days ago requested for by the opposition members of parliament
citing Khaleda Zia's government's inability to cope with the various 
problems. Does anybody have details of this process? My neighbor told me
that the news was carried by the Indian TV news casts from the NY area 
last weekend.

Shubhechhante,
Wasif Sattar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: dipen@heavax.gsfc.nasa.gov (D. Bhattacharya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Minoritity in Govt. positions
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:53:00 GMT
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory For High Energy Astrophysics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	To Deb C.

	Such rhetoric does nothing to alleviate the minority situation
	--if anything, it only worsens it. 
	
	Dipen
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: SpicMacay:Indian Dance(ODISSI):LEC-DEM:AUG 19:FREE
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:31:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
--------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: bhattach@dip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh and State Religion was Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:48:14 GMT

>In article <1992Aug19.155253.8648@honte.uleth.ca> buchignani@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>>re: Bangaldesh as an Islamic state
>>
>>It seems to be that looking simply at the legal system to decide
>>(or more realistically, to define) this is too limited. Everyday
>>social and cultural practice is relevant also. In the latter
>>respect, Bangladesh is clearly moving steadily towards being an
>>Islamic state. Supporting evidence is of course easy to supply.
>>
>>One could go further and claim that inasmuch as new definitions of
>>Islamic orthodoxy that are pervading the countryside are fundamentally
>>altering Bangaldeshi/Bengali culture, replacing many elements with
>>highly Arab-influenced ones.
>>
>>Norman Buchignani
>>Department of Anthropology
>>University of Lethbridge

Could you give some examples ?

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain)
Subject: Returning Home
Keywords: Hassle 
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:36:00 GMT


Muhammad Masroor Ali writes:

    I know, not everybody will agree with me about going back. `Well I 
    would  like  to  go  back, but are  you  going  to  guarantee  any 
    research/job  environment in Bangladesh?' But who will create  the 
    environment? Do you expect to live in a country of milk and  honey 
    and  wish  that  somebody else will take the toil  of  making  the 
    ground in Bangladesh, so that you can simply come back and take  a 
    big position? And what is the limit of doing research? What is the 
    use  of  doing the big big inventions which is of no  use  for  my 
    country?  

While I agree with what you say about many of the more obvious reasons,
such as jobs and family, as to why it will be difficult to return to
Bangladesh, there is also another difficulty associated with living in
Bangladesh. This happens to be the sheer hassle, or as we say pachal,
of getting things done back home. From paying taxes, to getting a gas
line, to ensuring that a patient in hospital gets to see a good doctor -  
nothing is easy or happens naturally. All most all business involving
any organization involves either bribery or the use of personal contacts
in order to get the job done. This is not only very frustrating, especially
after coming from abroard, but is also very emotionally draining when so
much of ones thought is tied up to relatively small matters.

This issue, which is seemingly nothing more than a collection of little
troubles can sum up to be a major difficultly, leading ultimately to a
smallness of mind and a general pettiness.

On a different note let me mention that I was pleased to see SCB mentioned
in an article by Neeam (At Oberlin) published in one of the Dhaka English
weeklies. I forget the name of the magazine, but I have it. Perhaps some
one could put it on the net.

Best Wishes,
-Raza
From: misra@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Minoritity in Govt. positions
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:50:55 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.ksu.ksu.edu

ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:


>In article <16grisINNqph@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
>> 
>> 	I rest my case.. Thanks.

>What case?

	That Bd has not tried to do enough for minority groups . 
I suggest you people
who advocate great things about harmony in Bd look around and see is 
going on before
you go and point fingers at other nations. 
>-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:02:05 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.170346.3087@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:

	I have deleted an elaborate argumentation based on one crucial 
	assumption that
	"a family is really built by the woman of the house."

	Contrast this with the most common expanation for the much-bemoaned 
	"decay of Family Values" in the US: single mothers.

 	Enough said.

	Now for the most interesting part:


>Finally, this is going to be a real shocker for my Hindu friends, but I
>promise that it is not meant to be a flame. When I was in Cambridge a couple
>of years back, there was a Hindu girl studying Law. She was the daughter of
>an Indian General. She was particularly interested in Muslim and Hindu
>comparitive law in India, since that is a source of considerable agitation
>in India. During one conversion with her, she revealed that actually in
>India, there are more Hindu men with more than one wife that Muslims with
>more than one wife! (I cannot subsatbtiate this myself, but I presume that
>she knew better.) This surprised me at first. But on reflection, when you
>study religions there are actually only two religions which actually
>restricted the number of wives; Islam (4) and Christianity (1; but see below).
>I found out that the Lord Krishna was supposed to have married hundreds
>of women. Thus, Hinduism as a religion has no objections to polygamy. The
>current Indian stance is purely a modern secular one. Note also thaty Jewish
>Prophets had nomrestrictions on the number of wives they had (e.g. Soloman).
>

	You are absolutely right about the extent of polygyny among hindus
	as compared to muslims; actually the difference between the two
	groups when you consider percentages is quite small. Nevertheless, 
	the common myth is that muslim men ususally have many wives and 
	this is the reason the population growth among Indian muslims is 
	disproportionately large compared to the population as a whole. 
	Another case of prejudice distorting perceptions.

							- Nagarajan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: rais@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Abdur Rais)
Subject: Re: Kwik Eats for Hungry Grads
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:54:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.205441.25787@udel.edu> kazi@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
>
>BEGIN{Recipe} :   "Murgi a la nuke"
>
>  DECLARE:
>
>  Chicken       1 pound (547 grams)
>  Onion         1 small one (golf ball size)
>  Black Pepper  1/2 tsp
>  Soya Sauce    2-3 tablespoons
>  Red Pepper    1 tsp (optional)
>  Mustard Paste 1 tsp
>  Butter Milk   1/2 cup
>  Chilli Sauce  2-3 tsp (optional)
>  Salt          1/2-1 tsp
>
>  BEGIN{Process}
>
>  Step 1: Cut chicken up into very small pieces. Ideally breast
>          meat is best.
>  Step 2: Cut the onion up in long slices.
>  Step 3: Mix all the ingredients
>  Step 4: Microwave it for 8-10 minutes
>  Step 5: Eat
>
>  END{Process}
>
>END{Recipe}
>
>Note: 
> 
>   a) This makes a great meal with tortillas. Just wet the tortillas
>      liberally and bake it at 350-400 degrees for a few minutes.
>   b) To make a drier version use yogurt instead of butter milk
>   c) You could also mix steak sauce or tikka/tanduri paste to
>      elevate the taste. Be careful of the salt then.
>
>Enjoy!
>
>ps. Tonight I will experiment with deshi spices.
>
>= Zunaid Kazi
>  kazi@cis.udel.edu

Here is a variation that I found very tasty, and certainly very Kwik.
Replace only Steps 2 and 3 above by the following:
	
	Mix with your favorite Salsa (Mexican or others - preferably hot!)

Enjoy,
Abdur
From: kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: KulturSchock
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark


Many "contradictions in .... " postings ago, Famin asked for
nettor's input about culture shocks experienced by TA's and
the like. [Sorry Famin, that I couldn't get to this earlier]
This set me thinking and I came up with some caveats that
we must be aware of when dealing with the natives. Having
been brought up on a diet of Americo-centric books and TV, shows 
nothing really surprised me, but I could imagine some things
which might cause a slight upturn of the eyebrows.

Classroom convolutions:

1. Bagel's and soda in class.
2. Students putting their feet up.
3. Calling the profs by their first name.

Verbal vituperations:

1. What's the response to 
   a] What's goin' down?
   b] Yo man, hiya doin'?
   c] For here or to go?  [In fast food joints]
      I am sure this will stump newbees.

2. The usage of allpurpose nouns
   a] cool
   b] awesome
   c] totally
   d] like
      eg. That's cool, like totally awesome. 

Never no-nos:

1. [For smokers] Never ask for a fag.
2. Don't refer to the eraser as a rubber

The two English's

1. A biscuit isn't a biscuit, it's a cookie
2. You definitely don't wrap a muffler around your neck

.... And many, many more. Care to add anyone?

= Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu
From: kazi@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Kwik Eats for Hungry Grads
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:54:41 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

Here's a quick recipe for the times when you reach home
at some ungodly hour with your stomach emanating such
a cacophonous din that you are afraid the neighbours 
are going to call the Man, and you are in no mood for
Pizzas, Ramen noodles, left over gunks, and assorted
fast food globs, and the next stipend is due so far ahead
in the future that you really can't afford to go to
your <CYFEG> restaurant.

<Phew> That was a long winded statement!

BTW (By the way), CYEFG = Choose Your Favorite Ethnic Group

STATUATORY WARNING: This public domain shareware recipe is
being distributed with the express understanding that the
distributor, hereafter referred to as the distributor, is
in no way legally, morally, or ethically responsible for 
any overt, covert physical, mental, or spiritual agony that 
might be caused by misuse of the recipe. The distributor is
not responsible for medical costs. However, the user has full
authority use and distribute the recipe in all conceivable
means, with the sole responsibility of acknowledging the
distributor as the one who holds US Patent 9846256 (Pending).


BEGIN{Recipe} :   "Murgi a la nuke"

  DECLARE:

  Chicken       1 pound (547 grams)
  Onion         1 small one (golf ball size)
  Black Pepper  1/2 tsp
  Soya Sauce    2-3 tablespoons
  Red Pepper    1 tsp (optional)
  Mustard Paste 1 tsp
  Butter Milk   1/2 cup
  Chilli Sauce  2-3 tsp (optional)
  Salt          1/2-1 tsp

  BEGIN{Process}

  Step 1: Cut chicken up into very small pieces. Ideally breast
          meat is best.
  Step 2: Cut the onion up in long slices.
  Step 3: Mix all the ingredients
  Step 4: Microwave it for 8-10 minutes
  Step 5: Eat

  END{Process}

END{Recipe}

Note: 
 
   a) This makes a great meal with tortillas. Just wet the tortillas
      liberally and bake it at 350-400 degrees for a few minutes.
   b) To make a drier version use yogurt instead of butter milk
   c) You could also mix steak sauce or tikka/tanduri paste to
      elevate the taste. Be careful of the salt then.

Enjoy!

ps. Tonight I will experiment with deshi spices.

= Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu
From: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: * Oneway ticket to Austin/Houston from Newark, NJ for SALE;25 Aug
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:40:26 GMT
Reply-To: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: parimal@dewey.cc.utexas.edu

I have two oneway  airtickets for sale from Newark, NJ to Austin, TX.

Tickets are on Continental Airlines for 25th & 31st of August, changeable at

$25. If you don't have luggage to check-in, these could be used for one

way travel to Houston also. Asking $75 each or best offer.

Call (512) 476-7134. E-mail : parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 

			      parimal@alpha.iat.utexas.edu
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bosnia: Another Spain? (The need for urgent Muslim Action )
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:53:15 GMT


One Mr Zfar Minhas sent the above request to following newsgroups:

    soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.afghanistan,
    soc.culture.bangladesh, soc.culture.india, soc.culture.asean,
    soc.culture.yugoslavia, soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.african


>>In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Benificent
>>
>>Assalamu'alaikum:
>>The war in Bosnia rages on. Tens of thousands of Muslims have been
  ( long winding message deleted ...)
>>we live in to do more for the Muslims in Bosnia. 
>>A few suggestions for possible actions are:
>>
>>   1)   Send donations for Bonsia to any major Islamic Organization in 
>>        the U.S.  ICNA and ISNA are among the many organizations who are
>>        trying to gather funds for Bosnia.
>>   AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
>>
>>   6)   Remember your Brothers and Sisters in Bosnia (and in other parts of 
>>        the world like Kashmir , Algeria, Somalia and Burma ) in your prayers

( The situation in Bosnia is really very very bad and unimaginable
brutality has been done by both sides on innocents citizens belonging 
to other side of ethnic devide.) 

Though above steps may help, but, I think, muslim "brothers" in Bosnia will 
be better served by sending 200,000 soldiers from country like Pakistan- a 
great islamic power that maintains over 800,000 muslim soldiers and reserves.
I am sure that 200,000 muslim soldiers should be sufficient to defeat an 
army of just about 40,000 to 50,000 serbian army of christian "brothers".
Condemining serbian agression is not sufficeint.

What is the use of maintaining such a big muslim army, if muslim "brothers" 
are sufferring terrible brutality in the hands of non-muslims "brothers".
Please write to  prime minister and presidents of Pakistan to send
army to fight in Bosnia and save the life of muslim "brothers".

No flame please. 

regards,

bkumar alias b. khan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan