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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Klennex
Date: 10 Sep 1992 20:23:41 GMT
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> Whups, wrong branch of the tree.  Let's try Magor, VonLiebeck, Jung,
>> Nichols......:-)  There's lots of places you could be hiding in that thar
>> tree.....
>Sorry, these all sound like *foreigners*.... my family is All American.
Oh, you don't look like a <PC alert> Native American to me....
Gilbert isn't a name I normally associate with folks from Texas or the
Carolinas.

Should we be calling to Squanto?

Ruth

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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:33:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: A taxonomy of humor

Greetings,

I am grateful to see this table posted, but I take issue with the
characterization of Fowler as a prescriptivist.  He was certainly a critic
of mushy writing, but his approach was generally to describe current usage
and analyze usage choices based on reason rather than tradition.  See, for
instance, his essay on "farther, further," which concludes: "On the whole,
though differentiations are good in themselves, it is less likely that
one will be established for farther and further than that the latter will
become universal.  In the verb, further has the field virtually to itself."

Of course, someone else may be inclined to prescribe a different meaning
for prescriptive.  Such a person might well be a pedant, and of pedantry
Fowler writes: "Pedantry may be defined as the saying of things in language
so learned or so demonstratively accurate as to imply a slur upon the
generality, who are not capable or not desirous of such displays.  The term
then is obviously a relative one; my pedantry is your scholarship, his
reasonable accuracy, her irreducible minimum of educatin, and someone
else's ignorance."

Fowler continues, perhaps more to the point: "by purism is to be
understood a needless and irritating insistence on purity or correctness of
speech.  Pure English, however,...is so relative a term that almost every
man is potentially a purist and a sloven at once to persons looking at
him from a lower and a higher position in the scale than his own..."

Pedantically, or slovenly, depending on your place in the scale,

Marty
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:19:51 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Graham is Great, Graham is Gaelic
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But Graham is not dainty nor is he pretty. Thanks to
one or more *very special* people, I've seen pictures of Graham and while
I *could* supply more adjectives, I won't.  (*Are* Scots Gaelic, or is
that the Irish?)

And thank everyone for not pointing out my sexist language in describing
my student from Scotland. :-)
Doris

> >>She is quite pretty and dainty, and a good representation of
> >>Scotland.
> >
> >Just like Graham!;)
> >
> Yes indeed, Graham is quite pretty and dainty...
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Date: 10 Sep 1992 20:19:39 GMT
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> >
>> Oh.  Please?  I could use the noteriety.  Could I be one of the sewer
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Notoriety, if you prefer.  I'll take either.

>
>The *only* thing that keeps me from commenting on *this* is my
>innate sense of fairness and my Suthun upbringing.  My mama taught
>me to never be rude to a lady....
It's never stopped you before!  And I am *not* a lady, I'm a relative.


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From:         droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:      Re: ducky St. George
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              04 Sep 92 11:15:05 CDT." <9209041216.aa05132@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU:
>>
>>Hmm... Just wondering what the implications are of having
>>a rubber <ducky>.
>
>I thought he meant Paul... ;-)
>
>-abh

Well, Paul's not yellow, but ...:-)

Paul's theme song by the way goes:

There once was an ugly duckling with feathers all stubby and brown,
and the other birds, in so many words said "QUACK! Get out of town!".

He sings it much better than Danny Kaye.

I'm struggling with emacs connecting in from Paul's Tandy at 1200 baud
right now because he's stolen the 486 for a game.  The Tandy's running
Polystar and doesn't know about arrow keys.  Good thing there's
another way to do just about anything in emacs.  Just have to remember
to ignore the arrows.
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From:         "tk0jut1@niu.bitnet Jim Thomas"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz

    >> balances in favour of the correct answer.  Would Jim's students all have
    >> defined disinterested wrongly if they'd done it silently on paper?

    >You mean that did it orally?  If so, I withdraw what I said about it.
    >I was assuming all this time that their answers were independent.  It
    >hadn't entered my mind to think otherwise.

My gopod!! Graham, do you bother to read posts? A "quiz" is not
done by going around the class and asking each person the same
question. Of course it was done silently with pencil and paper.
I simply said, "Define disinterested in 10 words or less" and
wrote the word on the board. What kind of school did you go to
such that you assume quizzes and tests were not done with
pencil and paper???

Natalie, why on earth would *you* assume otherwise? It wouldn't
be a "quiz" otherwise, would it??

Jim (dealing with yet another of GT's reality gaps) Thomas
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:45:08 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Teaching....
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> >>>Prescriptivist Alert!  Prescriptivist Alert!   What is Jim saying here?
> >>
> Then you might as well tell me what your intention was in saying
> "Prescriptivist alert!"

It was to alert the list to the possible appearance of prescriptivists
claiming that Jim was really saying something other than what all normal
users of the language knew he was saying.  When you say "fire alert,"
you're alerting somebody to the beginning of a fire.  (Actually, I don't
think I've ever heard anybody say "fire alert," but that's how I would
interpret it.)  When you say "flea alert," you're warning about an
impending attack of fleas.  When you say "prescriptivist alert," you're
warning about an impending attack of prescriptivists.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thanatopsis

If you like one line posts, how'd ya like that no line post?

>>>Archibald MacLeish wrote that.
>>>
>>>-abh
>>
>>Bzzzzzzzzzzt.  Our judges say no.  The correct answer is . . .
>>someone else.  E.E. Cummings?  Definitely *not* I.A. Richards.
>>But definitely somebody else.
>>
>>-Nka
>Sorry, Nka. Archibald MacLeish (not Archie Leech, either),
>in _Ars Poetica_ ("Ars" Latin, not British).
>
>judith

If you're right, then this show has to get some new judges.

-Mka
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From:         droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:      Re: ducky St. George
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              07 Sep 92 19:59:02 EST." <9209072100.aa19054@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>:
>>Every day when I Make my way to the tubby, I find a little fellow
>>who's cute and yellow and chubby <rub-a-dub-dubby>...
>
>Not drob-a-drob-droby?
>
Well, I'm neither yellow nor chubby, though I AM a little fellow.  Anyway
since droby probably doesn't rhyme with chubby (how do you pronounce
droby anyway?) we'd have to change more of the song to have this work.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:08:42 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: clambake pics
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> >Any ideas what to fill baby food jars with for gifts?

Don't fill them with anything.  Find an artist and give them to him/her.
They are great for holding the turpentine used to clean brushes.  So are
small pimento jars.
Doris
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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> When I picked it up a few days ago, it wasn't in ascii but ISO8859/1.  I think
> I'll hang on to my copy :-)

What's ISO8859/1?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:23:44 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:24:37 CDT, tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:
> Ask an English speaker, I say. I think it is one and two respectively.

To which Natalie will reply, 'OK, so where does the 'huckle' come
from?' and Graham gets the old a.f.u archives out and tells everyone
about the history of whortleberries and ancient worts...

G
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day

Y'know, Richh, I liked that story too the first time I heard it...

JMW
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (59)
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:00:55 GMT

Guacamole is a mashed-avocado dip (with some other ingredients, to taste):
I was simply describing the condition of my mental faculties at the time.
I'm sure ggs will elaborate on this: guacamole is <bound> to be more
complex a subject than we anglos make of it. 

--bayla
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:09:08 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: Aspiration)

>> one of my office mates when I was a TA at UT had an MA from NCSU.
>I think this sentence fragment deserves some
>sort of award..
>
>judith

You haven't heard real Indian baboos in real Indian offices, obviously.

tushar
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:05:38 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: family
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> Today is better, I think, because I bought one of those ferocious
> chipper/shredder/mulchers and have been feeding it sticks and
> leaves and vines all day in the back yard.  Chews it up and spits
> it out and drives all the neighbors crazy, paying them back for
> their lawnmowers and leaf-blowers....  I feel *good*!
> --ggs

The battle of the lawn machines goes on around here also.  Plus, we have
the added attraction of the battle of the radios.  Neighbors on one side
grind out the rock music, neighbors on the other side swim to their
western music, and at the same time this is going on the lawn mowers are
mowing, the tractors are tracting, the leaf blowers are blowing, the edge
trimmers are trimming and the dogs are barking.  My husband decided that
if he was going to have to listen to music while he was outside, he would
at least listen to what he likes, so he has begun taking a portable tape
player outside and playing the Irish songs we bought this summer.  I
prefer the indoors, where it is quiet.  But he, as you, feels *good* .
Men.  :-)
Doris
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Amazon T-shirt News
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Okay, went to the store today!!!  Checked out the colors.  I owe
Anne Burton Harwell a huge apology.  I take back everything I said
about purple.  They have a great purple--I saw a shirt because our
school colors are purple and white--that would probably look good
on most people.  I am no longer opposed to that color, though given
my relationship w/ the university (remember, my president mistook
me for one of the cleaning crew at a big party) I am no longer fond
of it.

They had raspberry, which 2Judith assures us is good on everyone.
The other colors were a blue they called Columbia blue, which is
close to a Yale blue.  Not royal, but not a pastel either.  Darker
than sky blue.

The green I saw that I thought would be good was about the color of
Anne's shorts that Graham tried to take off on the T while I watched.
A very green green--grass green.

All this for about $6 per shirt, assuming we have fewer than 36 and
greater than 12.

The next bit is the logo/motto/etc.  Anne asked for Amazon stuff but
no one could help her, I guess.  Hmmmm...what to do, what to do...


Karen
off to her office again :(
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Hopefully

Sayeth Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>

> :
> :And it's not an adverb in the example above?  If not, what is it?
> :   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>
> A sentence modifier, it would appear.

     Are you saying that sentence modifiers are a seperate class of
modifiers from adverbs?  Or are you using the concept of adverbials as
a super group of adeverbially functioning words and phrases, of which
adverbs are a distinct subset?  Or are you just whinging again?

The Ronin
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> OK, through the tears I looked again, and it *still* looked to me as if
> poor ts has *four* wives and somehow the babies got mixed up so they all
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> claimed us.  But if you say so, I can live with Beneficent Bayla as my
> mother and Rita, Natalie, and love judith as my aunts.  I *do* wish I
> could find some help for this trick knee, though.
> Sis

Well, first.....  you have to learn how to read these family charts.
But, I think that they actually *do* that sort of thing in the old
country where <ts> comes from....  or is that somewhere else?  I
get confused, and certainly wouldn't want to <misalign> him, since
he *is* our mutual dad.
The knee, dear sis, is congenitally defective, I'm afraid....
Which knee is it?
--ggs
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From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Bertie Wooster 2
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              08 Sep 92 18:02:43 -0500. <9209082305.AA09213@sics.se>

  >Another thing about Bertie is, I think, that his gift of exposition is
  >almost totally unconscious. He does not seem to try for it. His occasional
  >"I searched for the telling phrase" is never a conceit. He really is only
  >searching for a suitable word or phrase.

  Of course he is searching for a suitable word or phrase! And yet you imagine
that he writes his accounts in some kind of "totally unconscious" trance?
Automatic writing on this order does not exist.
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From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject: Re: Gleanings (58)
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To ggs, and the correction: Thank you.. even a teacher can
learn a great deal. Marilyn
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Subject:      Re: Re[2]: A taxonomy of humor

Greetings, Carol

One of the attributes of words-l mail is that parentheticals become
central (as, for instance, your remark about Fowler).  Regardless, I was
still glad to see that table posted, and that's the main thing.

Thanks,

Marty
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Date: 15 Sep 92 16:01:49 GMT
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>
> Alec,
>
> Thanks for posting that informative and substantive report on Bill Clinton.
 And
> to think, I almost voted for that guy.
>
> -abh
> <whew>
>

Ahem...What kind of choice do you have?

Agnes

(who as a Canadian will be affected by the guy you guys vote in as president)
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Greetings,

Natalie comments on Fowler's use of the word "man" for "mankind" that
Fowler "exempts women from these categories.  Interesting."

Nonsense.  In 1926, when Fowler wrote his words, common usage specified
the use of masculine gender terms as inclusive.  OF course, it's hardly
surprising to me that Natalie would be spearheading the "retrospective
prescriptionist movement," since I've long been convinced she's a closet
linguistic pharmacist.

Marty
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From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family Tree
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> I'm gonna have to study the tree for a while before passing judgment.
> I'm still looking for Bernard on it.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
> .
WHATSIT.... are you blind?   He's right there****:
.
>            bayla-----rita czarina--natalie--love judith
>                m. <ts>     :          :
>              :          g.retr.     bernard
>              :
>      ---------------------------------
>      :           :                   :
>    ndh        doris                 -ggs
>     m.?          m. ?                  m. shag (1)
>    :           :                     :      m. tc/sw (2)
>  dgtr          :                     :          :
>   m.?    John "O.B." W               :          :
>   :           -------------------------------   :
> g.b.          :       :       :      :      :   :
>            Nana    Michael  Ethan  Caleb  Jill  :
>           Exeter     m.Cecilia                  :
>                         :                       :
>                       g.b.1 (?)         -------------
>                                         :           :
>                                     Nicolas       Karla
>  ********************************************************
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>> 	As the Wife of Giggles will tell you, words-l is a some sort
>> of electronic <dating> service.
>My only request is, if my <tc/sw> turns up at any of these
>wordsler reunions, everyone *please* act as if you never heard
>of her, *please*!!!   I beginning to think that I am IRTN.

IRT what?  An Idiom-retentive Texas Native?  But we already *know* that!
So does your <tc/sw> if she's been around you for fifteen minutes....;-}

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:06:49 GMT
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aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU writes:

>>> (Did we lose richh?  I've been providing all of these references
>>>  just to make him feel at home.  Perhaps Rita was right.)

>>	Sadly, he couldn't take it.

>I told him that if he posted any more storied like "Barangus" that he would be
>inundated with a deluge of marriage proposals, beginning with one from me.

>-abh

in that case...

Well, *you* know.
Thanks for calling the other day, btw.

RICHH
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