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Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:39:11 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Trivial" Felonies (Was: Zoe Baird, Support Her !!!!!!!!!!)
 <93022.034317MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <ATAYLOR.93Jan24152617@gauss.nmsu.edu>

In article <ATAYLOR.93Jan24152617@gauss.nmsu.edu>, ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) says:
><In article <93022.034317MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs
><MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

><I say that by Zoe Baird withdrawing we have the right thing but for the
><wrong reasons. The immigration law stuff is wrong, true, but fairly trivial.

>        Thanks for this assertion, Sachs. I was unaware that Federal
>        FELONIES were "fairly trivial".

Well, Taylor, I meant "fairly trivial" in comparison with worse crimes,
such as (for example) selling arms to terrorist nations and illegally
using the proceeds to destabilize Central American governments.

I don't disagree that it's WRONG. My contention, which you totally failed
to address (instead, drifting off into a frothing-at-the-mouth rave against
evil communist liberals) was that there are OTHER points against Zoe Baird
that mean she shouldn't have been picked for AG; and most of them concern
the sillier aspects of modern conservatism, which she tends to be on.

Incidentally, all of you ready to crucify Zoe Baird for violating immigration
laws, what did you think of Ed "got out with the prosecutors fifteen feet
behind him" Meese? Seems to be a double standard here, I reckon. (If you're
curious, I think they BOTH committed crimes and deserve the appropriate
penalties. The difference between the two cases is that Baird didn't get to
weasel out of HER just desserts.)

     "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
   DISCLAIMER: Penn State University cares about my money, not my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)
Subject: DC Myth # 302 :  A tax increase will lower the deficit
Summary: tax increase will not lower the deficit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:16:52 GMT
Keywords: taxes, deficit, lower


  Why do people inside the beltway still believe a tax increase will lower
the deficit?  The following numbers would dispute this:

         Year             Federal Taxes per person

        1983                    $2,490
     
        1993                    $4,438     ( projected )


( from a Tax Foundation report , Sept 1992 )


   Of course, while the tax burden nearly doubled, the deficit spireled       
through the roof.  [ no need to flame Reagan/Bush, they tried to decrease
spending, but Congress wouldn't do it ]


Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
Subject: Re: AIDS Question:
Keywords: AIDS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:38:32 GMT

vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:

>kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:

>>vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:


>>>I just heard something which I would like to hear more about:

>>>Jesse Helms (AGGH!! scream the liberals) quoted the Center for Disease
>>>Control today as stating that the average male AIDS patient has had
>>>more than FIVE HUNDRED sexual partners.  Can anyone refute or confirm 
>>>this?  If in fact the CDC has come to this conclusion legitimately
>>>I would be pretty startled.


>>>Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers  


>>That would not be at all surprising.  Few people realize the incredible
>>promiscuity of the male homosexual community (lesbians are apparently
>>not nearly as bad in this regard).  It is not at all uncommon for a
>>male homosexual to average over 100 different sexual partners in a 
>>single year.  Homosexuality and prostitution are major vectors for VD
>>for precisely this reason.  Hemophiliacs require a component of blood
>>(Factor VIII) that makes up less than 1% of normal blood.  A pint
>>of Factor VIII requires several thousand pints of blood to manufacture.
>>Thus, hemophiliacs "experience" a similarly high blood contact ratio.
>>IV drug users shoot up several times a day.  If they share needles on
>>even half of those "shoots" they share blood contact with well over
>>500 individuals a year.  The idea that AIDS is Everyman's disease is
>>a pretty big lie.  Only those segments of the community that experience
>>high rates of blood contacts are ever going to be seriously affected 
>>by AIDS. 

>Thanks for you enthusiastic response, but I was hoping for something a
>bit more specific with regard to how the CDC came up with this number.

>Oh, could you possibly cite some sources for the above info?

>>Steve Kellmeyer
>>-- 

>>Steve Kellmeyer 
>>kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu


>Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers

The above was from memory out of three or four medical technology articles
published within the last 3-4 years.  If I had the articles, I'd give
you the quotes...

Steve
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: William Jefferson ________ Clinton
Keywords: 4 names
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:20:57 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <C1G0Fp.MLw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>>In article <C16JxL.Dvx@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>>> 
>>>    Another question about Bill:  From what I understand, his educational
>>> history is as follows.  Prep School, Georgetown University (undergrad), Yale
>>> (law school).  Is this right?  If so, doesn't sound like a man of the people
>>> to me.
>
>
>>At least he knows what a bar-code reader at a grocery store is all about..
>
>
>   Sorry, you were fooled by the mass media on this one.  The reader that
>so amazied Pres. Bush was a step-up in technology because it can extrapolate
>from partially read bar codes.  This new advance is what marvel George, but
>the press played it up like he was completely out-of-tune.  Isn't our media
>wonderful?


George Bush is a seasoned politician.  I am not [yet :)].  Yet I would
not have acted so amazed at a new bar code reader that could extrapolate
and understand partially read codes.  George Bush would, you would think,
have enough saavy to avoid reacting in such a way to such mundane develop-
ments when the media is present.  Had he been used to using bar code readers
at supermarkets, I doubt he would have been so surprised at such an
incremental innovation in established technology.  Now, I in no way
am suggesting that merely because Mr. Bush isn't familiar with bar code
readers, that it follows he was a bad President.  For that, we must
assess the impact of his adminstration's policies.

Chris
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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: What will Bush and Quayle do now?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:07:02 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <C182Ez.7ns@cup.hp.com>, staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes:
> MAUREEN BURNS (psburns@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
> 
> : I am just interested in knowing what Bush and Quayle are planning to do 
> : with themselves now that their administration is behind them?  Fish?  Ski? 
> : Have either of them made any plans?  I think I heard on the news that Bush 
> : is building a new home somewhere,  leading me to believe retirement is his 
> : choice.   How about Quayle?
> 
> I heard that the Quayles will remain in Washington until the school year is
> over, then they will move (back to Indiana?).  Marilyn has said that she
> intends to go into private law practice again.

But won't that be a violation of her "essential nature as a woman"? I thought
she gave up her career for her family? Is there a contradiction here? Or is
it now that since Dan is unemployable, that she has to be a working mother?

This is all so interesting! If you know anything about this, please post it!

-Garrett

> 
> --Ken
> 
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From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ron Brown at it again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:09:04 GMT
Keywords: DNC, dinner, companies

lloyd@ll.mit.edu (Brad Polant) writes:

>In article <C0yIwE.5y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>|> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>|> 
>|> >In article <C0tMAv.Mr4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>|> >>
>|> >>  Looks like Mr. Brown is at it again.  He was going to have a dinner for
>|> >>American companies, but was caught by LA Times.  The catch is that each
>|> >>company was to shell out $10,000 a plate for the DNC dinner.  The biggest
>|> >>sham is that they still won't admit they got caught with their pants down on 
>|> >>this one.  Come on boys, fess up, it was a pay-off.
>|> 
>|> >As I understand it, the dinner was schedualed BEFORE Brown was appointed.
>|> >Now that he is appointed, the dinner is canceled.
>|> 
>|> >>
>|> >>  Please don't flame back with something about previous adminstrations doing
>|> >>similar things.  Prez. Bill said he was starting a new era in government.
>|> >>One that had great integrity, but seems like some underlings didn't get the
>|> >>message.
>|> 
>|> >Darn, I wish you hadn't requested that.  I was all set to respond with
>|> >comments about Reagan's multi million dollar payoff from the Japanese for 
>|> >keeping us at their mercy.   One interesting thing,  the Japanese didn't
>|> >trust him enough to pay him before, they made him committ the acts first,
>|> >and then paid him afterwards.  Pretty shrewd people.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> You're gonna have to give us some references on this one.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> E.S.

>If I recall, and I do. Reagan was payed 4 million by fuji corporation to make one speech in japan to a japanese audience.  The speech was to a corperate only audience, and was within a few months (if not weeks) of leaving office.  Check your local paper archive for more details.  I remeber the event clearly, as it ment the begining of the end of my republicanism.
>Brad Polant
>|> 

Even assuming this "event" occurred as you suggest, this hardly proves that
President Reagan did anything wrong BEFORE OR WHILE IN OFFICE.

Ron Brown, on the other hand, is getting his bribes BEFORE he even starts
his job.  Most rational people would see a glaring difference here.


E.S.
From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird, Support Her !!!!!!!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:17:20 GMT
Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.dtcc.edu
Keywords: Conservatives, minor infraction, lynching

In article <C18EDD.5zx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:

>   Conservatives: now is the time to suppport a Clinton nominee.  Mrs. Baird
>is a good lawyer who believes in many conservative ideas, but she is being
>publicly lynched over a MINOR infraction.             

>   Bill's next nominee will not be as conservative as Zoe Baird, and we can't
>afford someone more liberals.

  Well, unfortunately as I write this, she has withdrawn her name and 
Clinton has gone along.  But, some comments anyway.

  Your theory might explain the absolute fawning I heard Hatch doing in the
opening statements of the hearings.  He was worse than (my senator, 
unfortunately 8-(( Biden with his 'how we look forward to working with you..."
BS.  It really had me cranked up, I couldn't believe it.  

  Then I realized that we needed her in the cabinet.  Not for what you mention,
altho I would partially agree, and besides, I don't consider AG to be a 
position that can cause too much damage, but we need her in there as a shining
example of the "new ethics" of the "Clinton Era".  Once she was confirmed we
would no longer have to hear that line about 'change' and 'strong ethics'
etc. etc.

  Sadly, unless he can come up with another criminal to nominate, we won't
have that.....
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.startrek.misc,alt.folklore.urban
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Blacks on Star Trek 
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:28:59 GMT

In article <C1HDMy.KGt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jj6707@meibm12.cen.uiuc.edu (John E Jablonski) writes:
>In article <C1H2u8.Cu9@ns1.nodak.edu>, green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green) writes:
>|> maybe someone can give me some good role models for blacks on TV.
>|>
>  I don't watch that much TV, but how about Star Trek?  
>    Original--Uhura-Chief Communications Officer
>    Next Gen--Jordie (sp) -head engineer
>    Deep Space 9-- the commander of the space station is black
>
>And the best part is they all achieved their success as individuals.
>There was no government program to "help" them.

Oh yeah?  What do you think Starfleet Academy is?  You don't think that
they don't have quotas?  What about Gene Roddenberry's original memo
requiring that 40% of the crew of the Enterprise be women?  Or that
William Shatner's wife played the chief nurse?  Is that nepotism, or
what?

For that matter, how many blacks were on Buck Rogers in the 25th Century?  
That was a much better show than Star Trek, anyway.  Gil Gerard could beat
up William Shatner any day.  That'll teach Kirk to have an affair with
Spock.

Ted "the net will be closing in five minutes" Frank
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird, Support Her !!!!!!!!!!
Keywords: Conservatives, minor infraction, lynching
Organization: LLNL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:16:05 GMT

In article <C18EDD.5zx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:

>   Conservatives: now is the time to suppport a Clinton nominee.  Mrs. Baird
>is a good lawyer who believes in many conservative ideas, but she is being
>publicly lynched over a MINOR infraction.             

>   Bill's next nominee will not be as conservative as Zoe Baird, and we can't
>afford someone more liberals.

	As Russ Anderson pointed out about conservatism, there are
numerous differences of opinion on important issues. It seems like we
have some on ZB also:

	Pro: ZB is better than anyone else Clinton is like to pick.

	Con: ZB is getting away with things she couldn't if she was a
white, male, country-club Republican.

	What about it?

	My own position? She's just too embarrassing, though at least
she shows _some_ contrition. I do agree with Matthew Austern that she
is yet another big-bux lawyer-lobbyist and that Clinton ought to be
doing more to make his Cabinet "look like America" than he has been
doing. Although I don't want him to go so far as to appoint some
semiliterate high-school dropouts.
-- 
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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: The "Liberal Media" Criticizes Clinton
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:58:36 EST
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

> Clinton walks looks like a pig, runs like a hippo and brays like an ass.
> So, what the hell is he?

An Elefino?


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From: pbowden@missing.kludge.com (Pete Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.tv-show
Subject: Re: SHUT UP
Keywords: Abortion
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:45:56 PST
Organization: The Missing Link BBS, Santa Maria, CA  805-925-1129

ketchj@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Jan Erik Ketchum) writes:

> Men should be able to decide wether or not abortion is legal or illegal, when
> 

Do you also think that they should be held financially responsible for 
the kid once it is born?  If you think one but not the other then I think 
it is absurd.

Either they are BOTH responsible for the choices and decisions and treat 
sex as as act which occurs between RESPONSIBLE adults, or it is a 
carefree act and it should be left up to the mother and the father is 
totally out of the picture--i.e. no child support/responsibilities.  I 
personally believe that both should be responsible, or at least much more 
responsible that is occuring in the populous.

Cut with the hypocricy of this feminist movement--you shouldn't be able 
to expect to have it both ways.  Actions have consequences.

Pete

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From: laura@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Laura Gillespie)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.tv-show
Subject: Where is the Rush TV show in NYC area?
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:58:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Concurrent Computer - Oceanport NJ


I have only just been made aware of this newsgroup, so please bear with me
if this question has been asked previously.

What happened to Rush Limbaugh's TV show being shown in the New York
City area?  It was on on channel 9 (Secaucus, NJ, a suburb of NYC) through
sometime in November, when it apparently went away.  It had been bounced
around from one time slot to another, landing finally at 1:00am week-days,
and my VCR was programmed to tape it.  Then, one day, Whoopi Goldberg's
talk show replaced Rush in that time slot, and try as I might to find
out where they've moved Rush (including scanning the TV guide thoroughly),
I can't find him.  What's going on?  I can't believe that Rush is being
boycotted by the local telecasters right out of his home market.
Say it isn't so.

Anybody know what is going on?

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.tv-show
From: ketchj@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Jan Erik Ketchum)
Subject: SHUT UP
Keywords: Abortion
Reply-To: ketchj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:36:00 GMT

Men should be able to decide wether or not abortion is legal or illegal, when they physically are able to give birth.  Enough of this psycho-babble, get on to some real issues.


Cons from WEST - ny

Jan Ketchum


Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.tv-show
From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: Who is here?
Originator: jjprice@c00075-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:59:03 GMT


Does anyone read this group or just cross post
to every group and its mother? If anyone actually
reads this group please let me know.

A rush libaugh fan

-Jeff
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.tv-show
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Well It looks like you and me....
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:37:19 GMT

jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
] 
] Does anyone read this group or just cross post
] to every group and its mother? If anyone actually
] reads this group please let me know.


Oh well....

I guess we were the only one's to show up for
the party....

so what you want to talk about?

ciao
drieux

ps: if we are really quiet, do you think we
can keep this place to ourselves?????


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.tv-show
From: dmreavis@eos.ncsu.edu (DREW MACON REAVIS)
Subject: Abortion Again!
Originator: dmreavis@c00507-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: dmreavis@eos.ncsu.edu (DREW MACON REAVIS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:25:31 GMT


	I used to be all for abortion until about a year ago.  I found out 
that one of my best friends is adopted.  This friend is the main reason
I changed my mind, because if abortions had been as easy to get in 1968
as they are in the 90's, many of us might not be here today.

Drew

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give this poor topic a break!

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: My fellow citizens?????????
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
	<C187xA.2F4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:08:39 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:00:45 GMT, kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
koppenhoefer> (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) said: The thing is that he
koppenhoefer> started his speech off with this phrase.  He didn't
koppenhoefer> say "fellow americans" until line 250.  To start out
koppenhoefer> your speech this way is rather odd.

Well, personally I thought the speech itself sucked, and Clinton's
delivery of it was poor too. You could see him reading it off the
telepromter. 

But Limbaugh might as well do an analysis on Clinton's inauguration oath,
for all the deep meaning behind it. 

For all his talk about substance over symbolism, Limbaugh doesn't provide
much of it. 

koppenhoefer>    Too bad my schedule didn't work out so that I to
koppenhoefer> would be 'capable' of seeing the speech myself.
koppenhoefer> However, I have provided a copy of the speech for
koppenhoefer> everyone who was unable to get to a tv.

L.
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