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From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: OS/2 musings
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:40:53 GMT

One of the reasons IBM gave for delaying the release of OS/2 version 2.0
was that they didn't want to flood the distribution channels, only to
have distributors restock in just a few months when new functionality,
as requested by users, became available.  As a result, the December 1991
release deadline was met with something that became known as Limited
Availability (LA), and the flooding of distribution channels was delayed
until General Availability (GA), which occurred on March 31 of this year.

Now we are hearing that new functionality (such as the full 32-bit graphics
engine, seamless Windows support for higher resolution video adaptors,
Windows 3.1 support, and so on) will be provided in just a few months via
the Corrective Service Diskette (CSD) mechanism.

So the question becomes, why didn't IBM go ahead and flood the distribution
channels in December, and provide those things for which GA was delayed via
the CSD mechanism?
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ga's applets
From: conrad@actrix.gen.nz (Conrad Bullock)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:05:06 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr14.013220.25135@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith) writes:
> "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com> writes:
> >
> >I'm not impressed with the games, especially Klondike.  Windows
> >Solitaire is definitely more appealing visually -- the cards look
> >nicer, more accurate, etc.  First impressions last and my first
> >impression was bad.
> 
> Yes, visually Klondike can't compare with Solitaire at all.  But
> it does have some nice features that Solitaire doesn't: the cards
> resize to the size of the window, and when the cards "flip" the
> spinning is quite nice.

Yes, in 16 colours, Windows solitaire has nicer card bitmaps than OS/2's
Klondike, but the other day I installed Trident's 256-colour drivers,
and I must say that I got quite a surprise when I ran Klondike. The 
picture cards look absolutely beautiful in 256 colours....
From: gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Norton
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:32:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Apr13.154741.9212@fcom.cc.utah.edu> aefros@cc.utah.edu (ALEXEI EFROS) wr
ites:


>I have a question. Will OS/2 DOS emulator be able to run Norton Commander

Yes.

>and/or Norton Utilities?

Some will, most won't. If it access the drive directly and tries to fool
with the data (NDD, SpeedDisk, DiskEdit, DiskTools, etc.) OS/2 will stop
it.

>afford to loose it. Also, is Mr.Norton thinking about porting his wonderful
>products to OS/2?

I think so, although it isn't listed in the January 32-bit app. supplement.
There are some pretty hairy problems in trying to do so. (IFS's are a biggie)
           Tom Sorensen

-- 
Tom Sorensen              gt0040a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: x27@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (T. Voelkering)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Shutdown of 2.0
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:41:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun0.1992Apr8.094140.5854
Organization: University of Heidelberg (Germany)

Someone just said, he didn't know how to shut down without the mouse. Here
is a way:
      select the drive with your os2 on it and open it (several ctrl-esc)
      go to "desktop"
      press shift-f10
      -> the popup menu of "desktop" opens and you can shutdown

Hope that helps

Thomas
From: anto@dutetvd.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 2.0 Price in Holland
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:55:55 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology


Here is the new announced price for OS/2 2.0 GA in Holland:

Normal price:				fl. 489,-
Upgrade from (within 3 month):
	MS-(PC)DOS *and* Windows 	fl. 155,-
	MS- or PC-DOS			fl. 225,-
	OS/2 1.3			fl. 129,-

No, it is not possible to upgrade only from Windows !!!!

And you can't buy OS/2 2.0 from IBM directly, the only way is to call
IBM dealer nearest your home. You can contact 06-0343 (only in Holland).

Today they are beginning to send to the dealers and I hope I can run
OS/2 2.0 next week.

The prices are without tax (+18,5%).

Regards,

Anto Daryanto
anto@dutetvd.et.tudelft.nl

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bjaspan@athena.mit.edu (Barr3y Jaspan)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP v 1.2 now, or wait for something better?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:35:17 GMT

In article <rhoward.702850037@matd>, rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:
|> The question is this.  Will there be a version of TCP/IP
|> for OS/2 released soon (one specific to OS/2 2.0)? 

I have been using TCP/IP 1.2 under the LA release of OS/2.  It works quite
well.  I do not recommend waiting for a future release, as the current one is
completely sufficient.


-- 
Barr3y Jaspan, bjaspan@mit.edu
From: asher@qtp.ufl.edu (Robert L. Asher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 2.0 DOS emulation?
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:57:37 GMT
Organization: Quantum Theory Project, University of Florida

I have a question about OS/2 2.0 and it's dos compatability.  I've read most of
what's been said about commercial software etc...  (I ordered OS/2 2.0 the day
the 800 number was posted.)  Someone on the net said OS/2 emulates DOS.  Our
research group has written software for the pc which controles many external
devices connected via an I/O card and a CAMAC crate.  This software uses
a TSR type assembly code which acts as an experimental cycle clock (ie 18.2Hz),
lots of interupt calls to DOS, and a DMA enable/disable call to let the CAMAC 
Crate take control of the I/O bus to transfer data.  First, does this sound too
difficult for OS/2 to handle in a DOS window?  Second, does OS/2 have the same
types of interupt calls and functions as DOS or will I have to get the 
Developement Stuff to be able to convert our DOS version?

Thanks for any help.
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From: gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Geoworks in OS/2
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:16:49 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <wdtwS1y00awTEelXJM@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:

>>Can OS2 run on a Commodore 64?
>NO!
>but NT can

Yeah... right.

>that is why switching to os/2 is a silly idea
>when windows will be doing what os/2 does now in just two or three years

Boy, just two or three years from now I can finally use a processor that's
already 5 years old! Oh boy oh boy! Why wait? The future is here now, Not
Tomorrow.
         Tom Sorensen

Oh- and to the original poster: No, PC Geos will not run under OS/2.
-- 
Tom Sorensen              gt0040a@prism.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech 
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From: peterp@unipalm.co.uk (Peter Piggott)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM TCP/IP 1.2 and Lanman 2.1
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:08:56 GMT
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK

lygre@hsr.no (Eirik Lygre) writes:

>In article <etstjan.703171398@dutepp13> JPMvOorschot@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Jan van Oorschot) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'am trying to onstall IBM TCP/IP 1.2 on an LanMan 2.1 server. As you
>>might suspect, this doesn't work.
>>The server has HPFS386 loaded and a SCSI adapter, it is a real IBM
>>PS/2 model 70 wit 8 Mb.
>>The server itself runs fine.
>>The system crashes on 'config.sys' time when loading the inet.sys
>>driver. (Trap 000D, contact you ....)
>>I already install this TCP/IP on a Lanman 2.0 client, and this worked
>>fine. 
>>I commented the netbeui.os2 and netwksta.sys from config.sys, but i still
>>get the same crash.
>>
>>Any suggestions ?
>>
>>Jan
>>
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>You probably have two options (if this is the problem I think it is). It is
>related to not having a DOS-session; TCP/IP actually requires one!

>1) Change your PROTECTONLY=YES to PROTECTONLY=NO in config.sys
>   This should get it up-and-working for now, until you get number 2:

>2) Get the CSD's for TCP/IP, which fixes this bug.

>If this is not what causes your bug, I'm sorry to say that I cannot help you.
Actually you only have one option here. That option is 2) - get the CSD fix.
Unfortunately HPFS386 does not allow you to have PROTECTONLY=YES. 
Can anyone enlighten us as to why not?

I have just received the CSD and will be trying at a later date - I'll let you know how it goes.

>Eirik Lygre
>Kvam data as
>ekl@fics.uucp		-or-
>lygre@hsr.no

PeterP

(peterp@unipalm.co.uk)

Usual disclaimers etc (I'm going to have to get a proper .sig one of these days)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
Subject: Re: Norton desktop on OS/2-WIN shell?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:18:09 GMT

In article <92099.160814MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>, MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the
Spiny Goldfish) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.190409.22902@uwm.edu>, tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael
|> D
|> Kretzer) says:
|> >
|> >Undelete is definitely in 6.304 and has been in every beta I've ever seen.
|> >Unfortunately, the 'default' is not to have undelete, so you have to
|> delete
|> >the REM before the DELDIR statement in the CONFIG.SYS in order for things
|> >to work properly.
|> 
|> This is not really an undelete facility like you would see in Norton.  It
|> operates more like the Macintosh trashcan - basically if you have it turned
|> on,  your deleted files are just copied to a directory and only junked
|> either
|> when you "empty" it,  or when it runs out of space.

Actually, that's the way the OS/2 undelete stuff works, too.  The files are
moved (in some mysterious fashion, not with their original names, and hidden,
as well) to a special directory, and undelete allows you to pull them back
from that directory.  There is an option to allow you to specify how big
that trashcan directory (named DELETED, I think) can be before the oldest
file in the directory gets trashed for real.
From: rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 GA - Impressions, Suggestions, Info
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:36:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr08.173819.34876@watson.ibm.com>, dwl@watson.ibm.com writes...
>OS/2 2.0 will boot from a logical partition, in conjunction with
>the bootmanger. Definitly a win if you'd like to work your way into
>running in parallel with another environment.
> 
>David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Is the Boot Manager partition HPFS or FAT? If it is FAT, will PC Tools
fix any boot sector damage caused by viruses, etc?

Rod Schaffter                                 	
Laboratory for Molecular Structure and Bonding	|Who cares if windows is or 
Texas A&M University Dept. of Chemistry		|isn't an opperating system-
Bitnet:   SCHAFFTER@TAMLMSB			|it barely operates at all!
INTERNET: SCHAFFTER@LMSBVX.TAMU.EDU		|
	"Standard Disclaimer, etc."		|An OOPerating system, maybe?
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: quan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan)
Subject: Re: Compilers available for OS/2 v2?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:34:09 GMT

In article <17485.29e86334@ecs.umass.edu> daly@ecs.umass.edu (Bryon Daly, ECE dept, UMass, Amherst) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if Diamond have or plan to make SVGA drivers for the 
>Speedstar? 
>       

Diamond will not be writing any special drivers for OS/2, although Tseng
(the maker of the chipset on the SpeedStar) plans to write drivers that
should work with the SpeedStar.

--Tony



Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: william flusek <flusekw@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Is this really Seamless?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:06:22 -0500

In article <880506s.702960434@aucs> 880506s@aucs.acadiau.ca (James R. Skinner) writes:
>tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer) writes:
>
>>The only 'problem' with seamless Windows at the moment is that drivers
>>only exist for the VGA and the 8514 as shipped 
>
>Does GA really have 8514 seamless Windows drivers?
>I had thought I had heard that it would be in a CSD?
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>James R. Skinner                       Acadia University, Wolfville, NS, Canada
>880506s@aucs.acadiau.ca                       Jodrey School of Computer Science
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GA does not include 8514 seamless Windows drivers.  I just installed it
last night on a PS/2 model 80 with an 8514 board and monitor and I was
given the choice of VGA with seamless Windows or 8514 with full-screen
Windows.  (Not that it breaks my heart since the apps I use are mostly
DOS and OS/2 apps).

Bill Flusek, Indiana University
From: amund@itk.unit.no (Amund Skavhaug)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: GA problems
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:32:31 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology / SINTEF, Trondheim, Norway

In article <1992Apr9.141918.12041@unipalm.co.uk>, peterp@unipalm.co.uk (Peter Piggott) writes:
|> I received my copy of 2.0 a couple of days ago.
|> 
|> Installation went through OK eventually (my fault not OS/2's)
|> 
|> My PC is a Solidisk (UK clone)
|> It has 8Mb RAm
|> 2*40Mb Seagate st157a drives (HPFS)
|> Prodesigner II with 1Mb on board
|> The processor is a 386Dx-25 with AMI Bios.
|> 
|> The desktop comes up OK. I can open OS/2 full screen and
|> window and also DOS windows.
|> 
|> I can't however open a DOS full screen or WIN-OS2 from the
|> Icon.
|> 
|> I get a SYS3176: A progran in this session encountered a
|> problem and cannot continue error message.
|> This error is for DOS full screen or WIN-OS2 full screen.
|> I can fire off WIN-OS2 from within a DOS window without
|> too much problem.
|> 
|> After hitting 'end program/command/operation' the whole
|> desktop has been distorted and requires a reboot to get
|> it back OK.
|> 

Have you tried "cleanup" from os2 command line ?


|> Anbody got any ideas? Sounds like video problems.

From a fullscreen os2 session (or was it fullscreen dos..?) type
"svga on" this will give os2 some information about your videocard.
This helps if you get problems in higher "super" vgamodes under dos.
(Worked wonderful with my et4000 based card.)


|> 
|> Oh yeah, I used VGA in the setup and clicked on every
|> feature to install (apart from CD-rom).
|> 
|> One other question:
|> In 1.3 I had the option to install a Mouse systems mouse.
|> Which I did and had no problems.
|> 
|> In 2.0 this option is not included. Should I just use
|> the same device types as in 1.3? I.e PCMOU$ etc.
|> 



Choose "serial device" under installation.
In config sys add:
DEVICE=C:\os2\pclogic.sys SERIAL=COM1
DEVICE=C:\os2\mouse.sys TYPE=PCLOGIC$

Ofcourse, change C: and COM1 if needed.
There shall also be a line with DEVICE=C:\os2\pointdd.sys but I think
this will be in place already.
This may not be accurate, but its in the online docs, and it
worked at first try for me. 



|> Any help much appreciated.
|> 
|> Every thing also is great!
|> 
|> PeterP
|> 
|> (peterp@unipalm.co.uk)
|> Usual disclaimers!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: New Trident Driver Package
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:02:24 GMT

A "kindler, gentler" Trident driver package has been put together and
is now available via anonymous ftp from hobbes.nmsu.edu, directory
pub/os2/drivers, filename trios22a.zoo.  Replaces the previous effort,
trios220.zoo.  This new driver package includes the new, virtual
desktop drivers for 640x480 256 colors and 800x600.  It also removes
some of the (usually) unnecessary Windows drivers, pre-EXPANDs the
remainder, adds a few DDP files, and cleans up the README file.  Quite
useful to any Trident owner running OS/2 2.0.

This new package will not be posted to comp.binaries.os2.  For those
without ftp access, use one of the ftp mail servers described in the
OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions List.
-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: POP Mail clients for OS/2 - PM ?
Summary: What's out there?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:12:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

I plan to get OS/2 2.0 set up on my machine with TCP/IP
for full networking.  What I need now is a good (PM based
would be cool) POP mail client for reading mail.  Something
along the lines of Eudora for the Mac is what I am hoping
for (or even POPmail for PC/DOS).  Anyone got any pointers?

How about any news readers?

Robert
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Floppy File System?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:49:05 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr6.020942.14075@athena.mit.edu> reynaldo@athena.mit.edu (Rey Villarreal) writes:
>I have ordered OS/2 2.0. Just wondering, I have access to a BBS
>and want to start downloading OS/2 stuff. Does OS/2 use the same
>floppy disk format as DOS and Windows. I assume so if you want to 
>install Windows and DOS software. Just want to be sure.

Yes and no.  OS/2 will read all DOS floppys and DOS will read all OS/2
floppies.  BUT OS/2 files have "extended attributes" which are stored
in a separate file and are "linked" via an attribute bit which is
unused by DOS.

What does this mean?  If you copy an OS/2 file using a DOS machine,
you will lose any extended attributes the file might contain.  Not a
major concern, but a valid one.


-- 
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dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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From: "marv kohn" <marv.kohn@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ga can't read 360kb d
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:35:33 EST
Reply-To: "marv kohn" <marv.kohn@execnet.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Executive Networks Information

SH>I use a DPT PM2001/95 SCSI-host adapter which has an onboard floppy controller.
SH>My A: is a 3.5" 1.44MB drive, and the B: is an old 360KB 5.25" drive (I
SH>need it to copy files from my old pc to the new one). DOS can read the B: drive
SH>without any problems, but OS/2 2.0 GA can't (6.177 beta could). Is this a
SH>known problem? I guess GA does double-stepping when it recognizes a 360KB disk,
SH>and can't find tracks >1.
SH>I get a "Sector not found" message.

I have a similar problem with my 360KB B: drive.  My OS/2 setup usually
cannot read diskettes that have been formatted by DOS.  However, if I use
OS/2 to format a 360KB diskette in this drive, then OS/2 can read the
diskette with no problems.  Sounds like a bug to me.

- Marv Kohn -
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From: itreleav@fraser.sfu.ca (Ian Anthony Treleaven)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Manuals with OS/2 V.2 as shipped.
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:21:52 GMT
 <!nqj0qb.rcain@netcom.com>
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

I think it would be great if IBM published a set of books on OS/2 just as
Microsoft Press publishes books on all their products and more.  This would
also give "IBM OS/2" more exposure.  I would bet that a lot of people 
interested in OSs also frequent the computer sections of their local book
stores.  I think if you put a note in the box that says that the "optional"
manuals can be ordered with xxxx-yyyy order number, people will think they
are getting a big fancy system without any instructions.  I think IBM should
stress the online docs so that people think they are (as is the case) getting
everything _required_ in the box.  Possibly include a glossy page with a list
of "other IBM OS/2 publications, available at your local book store." 
It's supposed to be an intuitive interface, is it not?  It shouldn't take
a lot of training to be able to use it.

Maybe someone could post exactly what documentation comes in the box when
someone actually gets one.  :-)


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pierres@microsoft.com (Pierre Stromberg)
Subject: Re: Gordon, I accept.
Date: 08 Apr 92 19:59:06 GMT
Organization: Sausage, SPAM, Baked Beans, and SPAM Incorporated.

In article <92093.143718RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at> FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at> writes:
>Pierre:
>How many PCs are built the way, that **they** provide all the means for
>total symmetrical multi-processing ?

     Probably very few at the moment. The only one I know of is that NCR 
machine at Comdex. There are probably others but I'm not too familiar with
multiprocessing. Has IBM made any statements regarding multiprocessor hardware
support ? It might provide clues as to what kind of MP support they're
planning.


>Is NT built such, that the entire range from loosely to closely coupled
>processors are supported ?


     I don't know. 



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