HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bones
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:25:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.NIKOLAY.92Apr16012550
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com's message of 15 Apr 92 22:31:14 GMT


In article <1992Apr15.223114.23887@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, 
sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alexander.kostomaroff) writes:


>>> "na kostyax" ("on the bones").
>>>
>>> [a quick quiz for you guys --- do you still remember what this expression
>>> means?]

>>Those were the records made of very thick used X-Ray film.
>>But can you possibly explain, _who_ made them and _how_ ?
>>[this mystry has been perplexing me for me for about 25 years!]

> Well, visiting a fleamarket ("barakholka") in any major russian city
> 30+ years ago, you would certainly find a character selling a crude
> makeshift electromechanical recorder like one used by T.A. Edison in his 
> later years.

> 	You pays your rubles - you buys your undeground recording studio.

> That simple!

[.....]

> Alexander Kostomaroff
> Observer Of Passing Events, Falling Empires, and Human Follies.

That reminds me. When I was a kid in Kishinev in the late 70s,
a pal of mine brought home from an Odessa fleamarket ('tolkuchka')
what had been palmed off on him as a record of ABBA or some such thing.
It was precisely such a home-made thingie (called a 'rib' - 'rebro').
When he put it on, though, the only thing we heard were the words
spoken by a male voice:

       Vy khoteli slushat' rok -
       Beite khuyem v potolok!

followed by loud hissing noise. I laughed my head off, but 
the friend, poor silly Serega Balmush, was on the verge of tears.
The 'rib' had cost him a tidy sum, by then standards.

Philip Nikolayev at nikolay@husc.harvard.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3146 soc.culture.europe:3841
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: A SOLUTION to UNWANTED TURKISH POSTINGS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:42:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.100406.4894@mits.mdata.fi> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
> 
> Just form alt.propaganda.turkish or something similar. I don't quite
> understand why I have to read masses of Turkish propaganda in a group
> called soc.culture.soviet. And why that crap is cross-posted at least to
> half dozen newsgroups.
> 
> -- 
> jjj@mits.mdata.fi   Mind         Heart         No      Me
> jjj@niksula.hut.fi  Difference   Destruction   Death   You

Simple. The mutlu/cosar thing is an extremely inconsiderate person. His
writings are not without value - that has never been the issue. He should be
free to express himself as he wishes. I don't argue that for a minute. 
 
But in the appropriate forum. People interested in Turkish/armenian ravings
about "genocides" and "crimes adainst humanity", etc. etc. can read them in
soc.culture.turkish. 
 
But the mutlu thing doesn't care what anyone thinks. It only knows what it
wants - like the people who commited the atrocities that the mutlu thing likes
to go on about, it is without sensitivity or concern for the thoughts of
others - or the established rules for running any newsgroup.
 
Just update your kill file by entering:
 
/hasan.b.mutlu/h:j
 
from the command promt while reading any article in this newsgroup using the
rn or trn newsreaders.
 
Good luck!
 
Steve



-- 
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | "But the glory kept shining
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  and bright in my eyes, 
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            |  And the stars going round in 
swithers@well.sf.ca.us                  |  my head." R. L. S.
From: VIZNYUK@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Attention !!!
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>


   An organization in Russia wants to lease a piece of bank
of famous Seliger lake (not far from St.Peterburg) on the
period of 50 years (with a license on the following redemption).
Entirely 300.000 square meters (but it may be divided on
sections). Payment is 5000$ or 600,000 roubles per
10,000 sq.meters.

For contacts in Moscow:
Phone:(095)331-42-28 Dolmanov I.N.
Fax:  (095)436-00-47 for Zaicev C.N. or Dolmanov I.N.
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Revolyutsiya i smert'
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:51:34 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>> I ne zabyvay chto skazal nash uchitel: | Don't forget what our teacher
>> "IZ ISKRY VOZGORITSYA PLAMYA"          | has said:
>> -Vadick                                | THE SPARK WILL BE FANNED
>                                         | INTO THE FLAME!
>Hey, who do you think said that?

Vah!  |  Wow!

>Diadia Pushkin?
No.

>Diadia Lermontov?
Close, but still off the mark.

>Diadia Zeleny?
Could be, but not really; he pretty much minds his own smut business
and does not interfere with anything else.

>So, who?

Those are the words of Alexander Odoevsky, a "Dekabrist", born a prince,
sentenced to 12 years of Siberian mines for conspiracy and participation
in the December,1825 revolt, from his response to the famous Pushkin's
epistle "Vo glubine sibirskikh rud":
    ...
Nash skorbnyi trud ne propadet,   | Our painful labor will not be wasted,
Iz iskry vozgoritsia plamia,      | The spark will be fanned into the flame,
I prosveshennyi nash narod        | And our enlightened people
Sberetsia pod sviatoe znamia.     | Will be united under the holy standard.
    ...
Ironically, or rather tragically, this ex-prince prophet turned out to be
the most precise one: we have witnessed the sparks increasing in numbers and
power, the flame ignited and fanned out, scorching the world, and now -
- the desolation and suffocating smoke of the pozharishche (what is the
English word for it?) And, sure enough, the ensueing "enlightment" and
"holiness" are fully in line with the provisions of Adam Weishaupt.

As for the Pushkin's poem, in the Socialist Russia it was officially pushed
as a proof of Pushkin's sympathy with the conspirators: the final line

    ...i bratia mech vam otdadut  | ...and your brothers will give you back
                                  |    your sword

was taken as "you'll be back slaughtering the bad guys". Its real meaning
has been studied by Valentine S. Nepomniashy, who has proven that Pushkin
called for repentance and mercy.
From: dietzel@cs.ucf.edu (Richard Dietzel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Trying to Find Someone!
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:18:38 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida

I am trying to find a Russian language teacher for my wife.

The teacher's name is ALINA ALEKSEYEVNA MERZHEYEVSKAYA.

She taught my wife Cornelia Berndt (then known as Marisa Berndt) at the
Russikum in Bochum, Germany (West) in 1976-1978.

Around 1978-79, Alina returned to Moscow to her teaching position at the
Pushkin Institute.  She had a daughter at the time.  Her husband was a
physicist, and his name is Mr. MERZHEYEVSKYE.  Alina was about 42-46 years
of age at the time my wife knew her.

One of Alina's colleagues at the time, also at the Puskin Institute, was
IRMA.  We do not remember her last name.  She was also in Bochum at the time
as a Russian teacher of foreigners.

The third teacher in Bochum was named SVETLANA, also from the Puskin Insitutte.

Alina's daughter might be named OLGA.  We are not sure, though.

If anyone is associated with the Puskin Institute, would you please make some
inquiries so we might contact her.  If Alina can be located, could she get
access to someone's EMAIL?

If not, our address in the United States is:

107 Long Leaf Pine Court
Sanford, Florida 32773

Our phone number is 407-330-3740.  I can receive a FAX at the following
number:

407-823-5135.  Be sure it is addressed to Richard A. Dietzel c/o The University
of Central Florida, College of Education, Educational Service Department.

If collect calls are possible inside the Commonwealth of Independent Nations,
or wherever she is located, please call our home phone above COLLECT!

If all else fails, she can simply write a letter.  Marisa says HI and very
much looks forward to getting in touch with her again.

If you have any ideas about how we can contact her, please advise us
accordingly.

Sincerely

Richard A. Dietzel
dietzel@eola.cs.ucf.edu
From: sasha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alexander.kostomaroff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bones
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:31:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


>> "na kostyax" ("on the bones").
>>
>> [a quick quiz for you guys --- do you still remember what this expression
>> means?]

>Those were the records made of very thick used X-Ray film.
>But can you possibly explain, _who_ made them and _how_ ?
>[this mystry has been perplexing me for me for about 25 years!]

Well, visiting a fleamarket ("barakholka") in any major russian city
30+ years ago, you would certainly find a character selling a crude
makeshift electromechanical recorder like one used by T.A. Edison in his 
later years.

	You pays your rubles - you buys your undeground recording studio.

That simple!

Even under good ole Joe V. Stalin life was rather multifaceted.
In 1953, when he kicked the bucket, I was a kid of 11 in SPb and
had a gun collection which could buy me here and now a good 
british sports car.

Alexander Kostomaroff
Observer Of Passing Events, Falling Empires, and Human Follies.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3142 soc.culture.europe:3837
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Re: fidonet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:29:00 GMT

pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs) writes:
Well, its ironic that I posted an empty note right after the
last complaint.  There are three possibilities:
There is something wrong with the news system.
There is something wrong with the human interface so different
   users all make the same mistake.
There is something wrong with me and the other posters.
- Once I was in the software business.  My partner called all
errors "dumb" user problems.  I called them "inadequate manual and
poor human interface" problems.  I still think I was right.
Anyway, I'll try to post again what I tried to post before.
Does anyone know how to get to fidonet from internet.  THere
is some sort of gateway address, but I've lost my notes on it.
SEcond, has anyone actually communicated from the US to Russia
and vice versa using fidonet?  I have a a friend in Siberia.
He has only a fidonet address.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3147 soc.culture.europe:3842
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: fidonet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:40:33 GMT
From: mleeuwen@fwi.uva.nl (M. van Leeuwen (I90))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Taking your money in dollars while being in Russia
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:43:12 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

In Moscow and St. Petersburg you can use your American Express card
at the Amex office to get travellers cheques.  I believe you can use
those to get cash (rubbles only?) at the major exchange offices.
When I was in Moscow there was a whole list of credit cards accepted
at the Rossia hotel exchange desk but they were all Scandinavian,
I don't remember seeing any of the major credit card names there.

Greetings,


   /\  /\  o     __    _    Milos van Leeuwen, mleeuwen@fwi.uva.nl (internet)
  /  \/ / / /   /  \  / \   Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
 /     / / /   /   /  \     University of Amsterdam, the Netherlands
/     /  \ \__ \__/ \_/     voice: +31-20-6866419 fax: +31-70-3143474
-- 
   /\  /\  o     __    _    Milos van Leeuwen, mleeuwen@fwi.uva.nl (internet)
  /  \/ / / /   /  \  / \   Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
 /     / / /   /   /  \     University of Amsterdam, the Netherlands
/     /  \ \__ \__/ \_/     voice: +31-20-6866419 fax: +31-70-3143474
From: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: on proof 'n truth
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:23:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: nas.1992Apr16.032341.22488
Reply-To: bross@splatter.nas.nasa.gov (Bill Ross)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA

From the usenet oracle intro:

                                    "The folly of mistaking a paradox
                                    for a discovery, a metaphor for a
                                    proof, a torrent of verbiage for a
                                    spring of capital truths, and
                                    oneself for an oracle, is inborn in
                                    us."           -- Paul Vale'ry, 1895
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: April Fool's Day  (Was: IMPORTANT -- READ THIS)
Date: 1 Apr 92 18:44:05 GMT
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies



There is an American tradition called "April Fool's Day".  On
the first of April Americans try to trick friends and co-workers
into believing some minor, but untrue, tale.  If the person falls
for it, if only to the point of believing it enough to check it out,
the joker reveals the prank, labeling the victim an "April Fool".  
An example would be telling a co-worker that you just saw someone
trying to break into his car.  This puts him on the horns of a
dilemma, since if he runs outside he'll be an "April Fool".  But if
it isn't a joke, he'll lose his car.

Wonderfull tradition, eh?

-- 

John Reece			
Intel spokesman?  Not!
From: zabokrit@serss0.fiu.edu (Evgeny Zabokritsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Envelope but no letter :-(
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:18:25 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami

Very interesting, recently I too got a letter from xSU in a badly damaged
envelope (though still *with* contents). It looks as "another feature
of xSU->US postal system", huh?

-- Jack
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Old Soviet kitsch -- on request
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:26:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: dxcern.1992Apr14.202649.18488
Organization: SUNY at Stony Broook
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Apr14.182621.55102@cs.cmu.edu> sergei+@cs.cmu.edu writes:

> Well, it seems that there is a cycle for everything. Seems to be around 30
> years long in this case. This song was very popular circa 1960, though it
> was never to my knowledge sung on the airwaves. I am sure, though, that it
> dates from earlier than 1960. It may be either really a folk song (you know,
> the urban folklore type) or a song by an emigrant (a la Petr Leshchenko or
> Oscar Strok or Boris Fomin) that was listened to "na kostyax" ("on the
> bones").
> 
> [a quick quiz for you guys --- do you still remember what this expression
> means?]

Sure, it is the name for the records  on X-ray photographs. Usually the big
ones were  used,  where several  bones  usually  appears. That  is why such
``disks'' were named ``na kostyah''.

As to the  posting  about Markin's  ``Trudnoe  detstvo'',  A.Markin is well
known  for his  reviving of  the old  songs  (like ``V  dome 8  na Tsvetnom
Boul'vare...'' etc.), usually, the  kitch songs. So these two facts are not
contradictory at all. But I never heard ``Sirenevij tuman'' from Markin.

I completely agree with you that this topics, is though far enough from the
real culture, but  is much closer to  it comparing with  this crazy Turkish
nationalists  and their  hatred. We  couldn't  shut them up  because of the
freedom  of speech -  the only  thing we  can do -  is to make  people more
interested  in  the more   neutral  topics - like  this,  thus  stealing an
auditory from this  Mutlu'kov. And they could not  live without auditory as
any soap-bulbs!

Cheers,

Greg
From: misha@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU (Michael Rabinovich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Attention !!!
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:25:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: june.9204111925.AA16432
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <9276B301A020905B@MPS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> you write:
>
>   An organization in Russia wants to lease a piece of bank
>of famous Seliger lake (not far from St.Peterburg) on the

A few more details:
Seliger lake is in Sredne-Russkaya Vosvyshennost'. I'd
say it's at least 300 km south-east from St.Peterburg.
This is indeed a famous lake. However, about 5 years ago,
before I left xUSSR, I remember an animated discussion in newspapers
that the lake is dying due to pollution and over-development.
Over-devepoment was largely due to dachas and sanatoriums of
preveleged "nomenclature" organizations.

I also wonder about legal aspect of the lease offer of such a large
chunk of land in the environmentally sensitive area. Indeed, how the
"organization" aquired ownership of such a large lot? I believe (and I might
be wrong) that unfarmed land is still a government property in Russia.

Misha.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3151 soc.culture.europe:3846
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: So, Where Is The Beef, 'Skartsis?'
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:52:00 GMT


<1992Apr14.160935@imhfhp16.epfl.ch>
gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (GAVRILAKIS Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL)

>'It is more than a year since Greece promised strict implementation of
>a medium-term stabilisation programme in return for Ecu 1.1bn EC loan.
>But annual inflation is still stubornly high at 18.3%, despite a public
>sector pay freeze, while public debt, which amounted to 95%(!!) of GDP
>last year, shows little sign of shrinking.

95%? I have nothing to add to this comment.

>Growth of GDP in 1990 : 0.1%

Speaks for itself; Turkiye, notwithstanding the high population
growth, has been able to achieve a sustained growth rate not less
than 6 percent over the last decade.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: sergei+@cs.cmu.edu (Sergei Nirenburg)
Subject: Old Soviet kitsch -- on request
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:40:45 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In answer to Gregory Landsberg's request:

         Sirenevyj Tuman
         ---------------

 Slova i muzyka -- mezhdunarodnye.


Sirenevyj tuman nad nami proplyvaet.
Nad tamburom gorit proshchal'naya zvezda.
Konduktor ne speshit, konduktor ponimaet,
Chto s devushkoyu ja proshchayus' navsegda.

Zapomnyu navsegda vse to, chto ty skazala,
Dvizhenya milyx gub, resnits tvoix polet!
Eshche odin zvonok - i smolknet shum vokzala.
Eshche odin zvonok - i poezd otojdet.

A ryadom ty stoish' i slyozy utiraesh'.
Byt' mozhet, ja tebya uvizhu cherez god.
A, mozhet, ty menya naveki pokidaesh'.
Eshche odin zvonok - i poezd otojdet.


It's difficult to write down the music in this medium but if you are very
interested, send me mail. 

Have fun. Tell me if you need any more of such. I may remember.

Cheers.

Sergei
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3149 soc.culture.europe:3844 soc.culture.bulgaria:620
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: mozgi and other related issues
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:56:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: feds46.9204090156.AA03585
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> From: George Petrov <petrov@TFS.COM>
>   <denouncing nationalism>
>   <...> I do believe they went too far back with the St. Petersburg
>   change -- I'd have kept it at Petrograd, myself.

Ironically, the name of St.Petersburg was (unofficially?) changed to
Petrograd as the anti-German sentiment surged at the beginning of the WWI:
the time when the Russian people was already close to the abyss.

Now a story of today: a university professor says in horror that
tsar Peter I has just been canonized in Russia.
 - Are you sure?
 - Of course! Haven't you read that Leningrad has been renamed St.Petersburg?

---------------------
Clarifications: a) to the best of my knowledge, jokes about university
                   professors are not yet prohibited;
                b) the above story is a true one.
From: burshtey@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Alexander Burshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Word of Mutlu
Summary: hasan b. mutlu and how to deal with it
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:15:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <3379@pacificrand.org> lincoln@iris.UUCP (Tom Lincoln) writes:
>I suspect that Mutlu doesn't ever read soc.culture.soviet, he just
>cross posts there. If he does, there is nothing that one can say
>to him that will get his attention.
>
>Tom

Not true. Answers to Mutlu can be cross-posted to soc.culture.turkish,
or better yet, posted ONLY to soc.culture.turkish or talk.politics.turkish.
After all, this is soc.culture.soviet, not alt.fans.mutlu.discussion.
But it may become latter if this thread continues: today, I junked 26(!)Mutlu's
messages, plus there are another 4 or 5 discussions of Mutlu. Compare that to
the total of 43 messages today on all topics. Sorry to add to that number but
this thread just doesn't stop. Ignoring him is the only way to discriminate
against him -- not as a Turk or a Muslim, but as an idiot and putz.

Junk his messages with /hasan b. mutlu/aK and /hbm.ddsw1.UUSP/aK

Alex Burshteyn

P.S. I think Hasan B-) Mutlu is a pseudonym like Nicola Bourbaki.
Meaning: this is not a person but a group of people. That's why there are so
many messages from him.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3080 rec.travel:5479
From: mookie@milton.u.washington.edu (Christopher Mealy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,rec.travel
Subject: Thanks for your help ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:22:22 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

A few days ago I asked for advice in planning a trip to Moscow.
I've received too many helpful letters to thank everyone individually,
so thanks everyone!  A number of people asked me a few questions.
In a couple of days I post the answers to the most frequently asked
questions.  I'll reply personally to specific or personal questons.
If you have any info this anthro/econ undergrad might be able to use,
please pass it on to me. Has anyone reading this done fieldwork in 
Russia? Again, thanks for your help!

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Christopher Mealy
 University of Washington                 mookie@u.washington.edu
  Seattle, Washington  USA
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
From: olw@bodhi.rn.com (Oxana L Werbiansky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Traveling to Ukraine next month
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: Under the Bo tree


     I will be traveling to Ukraine on 20 May for approximately three weeks.
Most of my stay will be spent with family in Brody, east northeast of L'vov.
I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has travelled in Ukraine recently
-- especially if you have travelled by car.  I'm interested in the possibility
of renting a car (I speak Ukrainian) and wonder how difficult the logistics
would be.  Any information regarding travel in Ukraine will be greatly
appreciated;  if there is interest, I'm willing to summarize to the list.

--
.                                                                  .
                         Oxana L Werbiansky
                          Under the Bo tree
                          olw@bodhi.rn.com
.                                                                  .