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From: AS.JMW@forsythe.stanford.edu (JILL M WOODS)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Tree eradication?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:05:43 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <lfj6goINN8ki@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>,
langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston) writes:
>simple mowing takes care of ailanthus around here;
>birds seem to be the real vectors
>
>--
>mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
>department of computer science, university of tennessee

I have tried this.  The plant does not die or go away, it just sends
up two starts to replace the one mowed down.

Jill
From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Catnip - where to get?
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:59:39 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <Bx3uBu.FH8@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> bae@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Beverly Erlebacher) writes:
>In article <BwwpEK.6pv@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:
>>
>>_N. cataria citriodora_ (the lemon-scented catnip).
>
>Has anyone tried this on cats?  Since cats generally dislike citrus odours,
>and cat repellents often use such scents, I wonder how the critters would
>react to lemon scented catnip.  Confused?  Disgruntled?  Is this the catnip
>for people who want catnip but not cats in the garden?
>
No such luck.  My cats (and all the neighbor's cats) think
it's utterly wonderful.  (Actually, I think the scent is
pretty wonderful, too, and it makes lemony-fresh catnip mice.)
I'm always finding a cat sprawled on its back in the lemon
catnip, drooling.  Most disgustingly, it's usually mine.  ;-)

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

"The field of pseudo-science hasn't progressed much in ten
years, except to gain access to the net." --from ca.earthquakes
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From: mmr@cs.rit.edu (Margaret M Reek)
Subject: What is this weed?
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:06:08 GMT

I have a new (to me) variety of noxious weed taking over my various
gardens.  It seems quite invasive, but I'm not sure what it is or the 
best way to get rid of it (the real intent of this posting).

Here's what it looks like:
-It's a dark green,
-very flat to the ground (not a mound or any evidence of flowers)
-it grows in "rosettes", nice round circles of leaves
-there are lots of leaves per plant
-the leaves are about 3 to 4 inches long, very skinny near the center
 and getting wider near the end (about 1/2 inch max) with serations
 along the way that are moderately deep
-it has runners underground that connect the various rosettes
-it does not have an particular noxious smell

I know it isn't ground ivy (creeping charlie, or your favorite name
for that stuff), and it isn't purslane.  One thing I'm worried about
is if I till it in, will it just multiply itself with all it's little
runners? 

I first noticed this stuff last year (this is my 10th year in this
location and that was the first I had seen it).  This year it has
spread to another garden 200 feet away from the place I first saw it.
I'm not sure of it's preference for sun or shade; I suspect it has
none.

Any help on identification or eradication would be appreciated.
Please e-mail responses, as I will be away for quite a few days, and 
things don't hang around here for long.  I promise I will summarize
and post, so anyone else interested can benefit from what I learn from
the net.

Margaret
-- 
Margaret Reek, Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester NY 14623-0887
Internet:  mmr@cs.rit.edu	(716) 475-6181 	Fax (716) 475-7100
Bitnet: mmrics@ritvax
UUCP:	   {decvax,harvard,ames,rutgers}!rochester!rit!mmr
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From: dadams@cray.com (David Adams)
Subject: Re: COMPOSTING AT -13 DEGREES C-HOW
Reply-To: dadams@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:43:24 CST

In article 18551440@sklib.usask.ca, borsa@sklib.usask.ca () writes:
|I started composting this summer and everything worked well. I have a
|nice pile to add to my flower beds.  I would like to continue thru the
|winter but how does this work in a Zone 2 where the average winter temp
|hovers around -13 degrees celcius?  Ever since Oct, temps have hovered
|around the -2 at night...+2 to +8 during the day and has nowhere to go
|but lower, nothings composting anymore, or if it is it's working VERY
|slowwly.  How do we keep it looking from looking like a frozen garbage dump
|in the middle of winter, the ground will be too frozen to cover my peels,
|egg shells, etc. let alone turn it once in a while.  How do you people
|do it?  Suggest away.  I don't think I could bear dumping all those goodies
|back into the city garbage system just because of winter!
|
|Thanks,    Donna, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,  Canada

Then you could always compost indoors aka:  "worms eat my garbage"

---
--David C. Adams  Statistician  Cray Research Inc.  dadams@cray.com
___________________________________________________________________
       Old Sourdoughs never die.  They just ferment away.
From: stevek@providence (Steven Klitzing)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re:Tomato Monster!?
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:17:34 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

>>Path:  
>>infmx!pyramid!gossip.pyramid.com!decwrl!csus.edu!beach.csulb.edu!nic.csu 
>>.net!vax.sonoma.edu!butler
>>From: butler@vax.sonoma.edu
>>Newsgroups: rec.gardens
>>Subject: Tomato Monster!?
>>Message-ID: <1992Nov9.104218.1@vax.sonoma.edu>
>>Date: 9 Nov 92 18:42:18 GMT
>>Organization: Sonoma State University
>>Lines: 19

>>We've had a great year for tomatoes.  In fact, they're still 
>>producing.  The only problem is that some of the ripe tomatoes look
>>like someone/thing has been taking bites out of them.  Then the other
>>day when pulling slugs and snails off the plants, I pulled what I 
>>thought was a slug.  A head about 8" away turned to look at me and
>>then the whole thing scooted down the plant into the grass.  

>>I still can't figure out what it was, but from the size and shape of 
>>his mouth, I'm pretty sure that it's what has been eating my tomatoes.
>>It was somewhat coiled around the branches in the tomato plant.  It
>>had small legs and feet, but these looked too small to actually be able
>>to support or move the creature.  It was also reptilian.  Does anyone
>>have any ideas what my `tomato monster' could be?  A skink comes to  
>>mind,
>>but I've never heard of them in this area.  BTW I live in the Napa  
>>Valley 
>>(Northern California).  

>>Thanks for any info,

>>-Bob      (butler@sonoma.edu)
*******************************************
The creature that was eating your tomatoes is called the 
Northern California Tomato Bobcat.  It was brought here as a pest
when the Europeans first brought tomato plants to California.  It
is generally nocturnal and, at first glance, looks like a lizard
or snake with stubby legs.  However, don't let this fool you.  It is
capable of speeds up to forty-five miles per hour when startled.
It can be controlled with a mixture of Bacillus Thuringensis and
Malathion sprayed liberally on your plant about twice a week.  Also,
you might leave out a saucer of beer next to your tomato plant.  Tomato
Bobcats love beer and will pass out before they can consume your
plants.
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From: ponder@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Carl Ponder)
Subject: "A grass grows in Irvine..."
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:47:19 GMT

Around parts of Southern California they us a kind of grass for landscaping,
and I would very much like to know what it is. Here's what I remember about
it:

	1] It looks like it grows about 3 feet long.
	2] It grows horizontally along the ground instead of up, and when 
	    they groom it, it takes on a nice "wavy" look that reminds me 
	    of a good haircut.
	3] The blades may be a millimeter or more thick, with an oval (or
	    maybe triangular) shape. Would this make it a sedge?
	4] It is light green and has a glossy sheen.

I've looked through books on lawns, groundcovers, and landscaping, but can't
seem to find anything like this. I don't expect it would grow here in Austin,
but I'm wondering if there's something similar that would, and would like to
know what it is I'm thinking of. Any of you know what it is?
Thanks,

	 Carl Ponder
	 ponder%foo.ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com

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From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)
Subject: Re: Urban Gardeners Needed In Russia
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:55:46 GMT

In article <1e0b23INN447@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>
>   Urban Gardeners Needed in Russia Next Spring
>
>
>Skilled urban gardeners are needed in Moscow and St.Petersburg
>next spring to help train inner city Russians in small space
>high yield, community gardening and minifarming.  The call
>for training is the latest phase of an agricultural initia-
>tive launched last March by the Center for Citizen
>Initiatives in San Francisco to help city dwellers in the
>former Soviet Union raise more of their own food.  Russian
>growers are particularly interested in bio-intensive,
>sustainable agriculture methods.  The trainers will live
>with Russian families in Moscow and St. Petersburg and work
>on inner city plots being offered by city districts, schools
>and other groups and at nearby minifarms; they will also
>give evening and weekend seminars and workshops.  For more
>info:  A.C. 415  346-1875.
>
>
>-- 
>Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
>            looks promising.... |-)


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From: sek@cbnews.cb.att.com (stephanie.e.kearns)
Subject: Scented Geraniums Leaves Yellowing
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:21:29 GMT

I live in New Hampshire, and had many scented geraniums in my fragrance
garden during the summer.  Since we have rather nasty winters here, I
potted them all and brought them in about three weeks ago.  They did not
get hit by any frost.
I now have them down in the basement under a small light - we haven't
hooked up the flourescent light yet.  They seem to be doing o.k., however
many of the leaves are turning yellow and falling off.  some of them are
worse than others.  I water them about once a week, and gave them some
miracle gro about two weeks ago.
I'm trying to be optimistic, and thinking that perhaps they go through a
dormant stage, like regular geraniums; and lose all of their leaves but then
will miraculously come back? 
Does anyone have any advice?  I thought of posting this specifically to the
New England area, but perhaps some of you experts around the country can
offer some consolation and advice.
Thanks.
Stephanie Kearns
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From: ztac18@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov WWNV x5076 9.134)
Subject: Asian Pear in Houston?
Reply-To: ztac18@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:32:26 GMT

I'm interested in growing an Asian pear tree in Houston.  You know, the kind with
the fruit that are like a cross between a pear and an apple, with a slightly
leathery skin?

My questions: 1.  Aesthetics-wise, is this a tree I want to have growing in my yard?
                  I've never seen one, just eaten the fruit.  I'm guessing it either
                  looks like a pear tree or an apple tree.  And, how big will it
                  get?

              2.  Will it grow in this clay-rich (an understatement) soil and hot,
                  humid conditions?

              3.  Anybody know it's proper name?
Thanks,
--Tom--
From: Jack.Honeycutt@f52.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Honeycutt)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Gardening Software
Date: 4 Nov 92 13:05:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.720941662.AA00000

Hello Larry!

04 Nov 92, Larry London writes to All:

 LL> He and anyone else can transmit (reverse of freq) or upload any
gardening
 LL> software to my BBS after 12midnite and before 7am est. I make a few
 LL> shareware programs available and would like to fill out my collection. I
 LL> will either binary upload with Kermit or put on disk and hand deliver
 LL> these programs to the FTP site where the rec.gardens FAQ's reside.

 LL> Info on my BBS:

 LL> EARTH*Net BBS
 LL> FidoNet 1:151/502
 LL> Chapel Hill, North Carolina, U.S.A.
 LL> 1-919-932-3115 (voice 7am-12am, data 12am-7am)
 LL> (new users have access to the sustainable agriculture area where they
may
 LL> upload or download files and leave messages in thesustainable
agriculture
 LL> echo)

Larry, we should at least exchnage file lists.  I am sure we each have massave
files.  Maybe we can copy to 1.44's and exchange stuff in the mail.  You can
freq "files" to get a list of everything on my system.  I will try to freq
"files" from you and see if that will give me your file list.  The correct
number of my BBS is 1-503-735-3074 (1:105/52)

Let's keep in touch.

Jack
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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Medina
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.212157.931@calmasd.prime.com> jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
>
>My brother used to call him Dewey Compost and do the worst impression
>of his garden advice.  Do you remember how Dewey used to recommend
>medina for everything?  (I still don't know what medina was.)

Sorry to hear Ol' Dew is no longer with us.  His down-home livestock
auction reports used to wake me up at 6 every morning in Houston.  He
knew gardening, too.

Medina is a "soil activator".  I don't know what's in it, but it did
seem to encourage plants to grow.  In a very unscientific comparison,
a couple of potted plants with Medina outgrew a control plant under
similar growing conditions.  Maybe it's a placebo effect, but I dole
it out sparingly to my potted plants now.  My son's girlfriend
hand-carried a gallon to California a year or so ago, as the folks out
here in benighted LaLaLand never heard of the stuff.

-- 
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CASBS, 202 Junipero Serra Blvd.	|Phone: (415) 321-2052
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From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Need Garlic Advice
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:43:34 GMT
Organization: unlikely

In article <BxMEEy.Mvr@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> 
bae@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Beverly Erlebacher) writes:
>They are ready when the tops die down.  I don't know what happens to garlic
>grown in a warm climate in the winter, but in temperate climates bulb

Like many Mediterranean plants, garlic grows from fall equinox to spring
equinox (more or less). The Med climate is reversed from the Temperate climate.
In Med areas (Med Sea, PWofNAm, Chile, S.Africa, SW Aus) the rains come in
winter only and winter is the growing or green season as in winter wheat. In
colder temperate climates, these plants grow in fall, go dormant in winter
and resume growth in spring, going dormant in summer. If they can survive
winter lows and summer heat and humidity, they adapt quite well to the new
climate.
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From: hlm@phx.mcd.mot.com (Heather Magill)
Subject: pre-emergent good or bad?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:15:27 GMT

I have two large dirt areas that are great stomping grounds for
all sorts of weeds and the bermuda grass wants to join in.  Normally
I don't mind hoeing weeds but 800 sq ft of dirt to hoe a weekend is
a bit much! (You have to hoe it every weekend in the monsoon season).

Its was suggested that I use a pre-emergent thereby getting the weeds
undercontrol and thereafter maintaining the areas with hoeing.

Well, I picked up a bottle of pre-emergent this weekend.  Upon
reading the label I really started to wonder if I wanted to
do this.  Things like "wear a mask when using", "this product
can be absorbed through the skin" etc really started making me
scared.  Especially since I would be applying this within 5 ft
or so to my grapefruit trees and a newly planted plum tree.

These areas will never be cultivated as a garden etc  because one
is part of the drive way and the other is right over the leaching
field.  So the only landscaping that will be done might be small 
desert plants with crushed granite (over the leaching field) 
and gravel in the driveway.

Does anyone have experience with a pre-emergent?  Any clue as to
what residues it leaves in the soil?  What about effects on
animals that dig in the soil?  Can I plant started plants in a soil
that has pre-emergent on it?  Suggestions where I can pick up
more information?  You might want to email me directly, I haven't
been able to read this group as much as I would like.

Thanks in advance,
Heather Magill.

hlm@phx.mcd.mot.com

BTW the pre-emergent I bought contains surflan, which I was later 
told, is nolonger on the market.  This does not inspire confidence.
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Wildfong)
Subject: Re: fungus gnats
Organization: Computer Systems Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:55:06 GMT

In article <27390@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill) writes:
>In rec.gardens, nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen) writes:
>>
>>Also, could someone please repost suggestions on getting rid
>>of fungus gnats around indoor plants?
>>
>
>Ah, the twice monthly fungus gnat question!  My question is:
>is there a carnivorous plant which would take care of the little
>*%#&@s ?

Right now, my venus flytrap has fungus gnats _real_bad_, but just ignores them.
Stupid flytrap.

Results may vary, I suppose.

Bob Wildfong                                       bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca
Waterloo, Ontario                                  bobw@csg.waterloo.edu
AgCan zone 5a, USDA zone 4 (on a windy hilltop)

                Success in gardening is finding the right 
                 balance between tolerance and defiance.

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From: drogers@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Daty Rogers)
Subject: Re: hedgeapples
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:59:53 GMT

  Being young and stupid at one time, I actually planted
one in my grandmother's flower beds. I never saw it come
up, so I assumed it never grew. I found out much later 
she was cussing me for years, which is how long it took
her to kill it!
                                                Daty
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Horse-radish (plant from hell)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:45:10 GMT

In article <psmith.721581539@cunews> psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
>In <1992Nov12.092837.1@tesla.njit.edu> sjo2693@tesla.njit.edu writes:
>
>>Anyone out there have any experience with growing horse-radish...how
>>deep do you plant the root...what does it look like when it's growing
>>when do you harvest?????Any info would be helpful..
>
>I have not grown horse-radish, but I know two different growers who
>have.  They both shudder at the mention of growing it.  
>
>It seems it has a deep, strong root system that is difficult to
>eliminate.  One of these growers required hours to try and eradicate
>the spreading menace from his garden, and he wasn't completely
>successful.  It took a couple years to get rid of it, after the
>initial planting.  
>
>One suggestion I heard was to sink a tub, or other confining device,
>into the garden in order to contain the roots.
>
>On the positive side, I think it is supposed to repel potato beetles.
>
I wonder how well they would do against moles & gophers.....


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From: jim@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed)
Subject: Re: hedgeapples
Reply-To: jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:42:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.225227.11612@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Doug.Hemken@launchpad.unc.edu (Doug Hemken) writes:
|> Klier writes:  
|> 	"there is *no* known animal that eats or disperses hedgeapples"
|> 
|> Except people, perverse creatures that they are!

I still remember how amazed I was that they actually float.

BTW, in Arkansas we called them bodark balls.  It was years
before I learned that "bodark" was really spelled "bois d'arc"
(or something like that).

-- 
James B. Reed                | If at first you don't succeed,
Intergraph Corporation       | Find out why,
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From: ptr@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (peter.appow)
Subject: acid or alkaline soil for yew?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:26:30 GMT


I've been reading conflicting information about the PH requirement for yews.
Some books say they like acid soil and others say alkaline.

Can someone shed some light on this?

Thanks,
Peter

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: filipell@nosc.mil (Pamela R. Filipelli)
Subject: Re: hedgeapples
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:33:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.190713.14394@colorado.edu> jessup@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Elizabeth Jessup) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.154237.9215@infonode.ingr.com> jimreed@b23b.b23b.ingr.com writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.225227.11612@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Doug.Hemken@launchpad.unc.edu (Doug Hemken) writes:
>>|> Klier writes:  
>>|> 	"there is *no* known animal that eats or disperses hedgeapples"

If we're talking about Bois D'Arc Apples (as they are called in Oklahoma
or Central/North Texas), my mother says if you put them in the garage,
they keep the roaches out.  You couldn't prove it by me.  But she
swears it's so.  

No, they are not eatable.  I think they are just big green brain-looking
round seed pods with one use--to grow more Bois D'Arc Apples.

>>I still remember how amazed I was that they actually float.

Yep, they float.  And they are hard and heavy.  Weird.

-------
Pam
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: hedgeapples
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:58:15 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

jessup@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Elizabeth Jessup) writes:
> Are hedgeapples the same thing as Osage oranges?  I once saw a home 
> decorating magazine that effused over the decorating value of a "well-placed
> basket of Osage oranges".  Hard to imagine.

Yup.  The plant was once a major fencing material-- you could just pound
limbs in the ground and they'd start to grow to a fence "head high and 
hog-tight" (i.e., pigs couldn't get through it).  The wood is also quite
rot resistant.

Kay
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