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From: nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere)
Subject: Re: Regarding the proposed Fielder FAQ
Reply-To: nss3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:06:21 GMT

In article <vklnp+g@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee") writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.013349.15215@midway.uchicago.edu> nss3@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>Oh, I don't know.  "Make outs, not walks" could become the mantra of
>>the nineties :-).
>
>Oh, we just think we're SOOOOOOOOOOO hilarious, don't we, Mr. "Baseball Weekly"?

<very jealous, bitter diatribe deleted :-)>

>
>Seriously, assuming that was you on page 23, how many copies did you buy?

Um, just one?  To some of us, getting published is no big thing. :-)

Seriously, most of my friends are so sick of me talking about baseball
that if I walked up to them with a Baseball Weekly, they'd quickly run
in the other direction (he says, realizing that he's just set himself
up big time :-)).

Noel Steere                  |...of the Dave Rossing fan club
GM/Manager, New York Knights |Knights' Run Total: 467 Runs in 93 games
Internet Baseball League     |Projected Season Total: 813  Target: 1000!
nss3@midway.uchicago.edu     |HECTOR VILLANUEVA FOR PRESIDENT
                             |(Heck, the Cubs sure aren't using him!)
                             |OMAR VIZQUEL FOR VICE-PRESIDENT
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From: jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff )
Subject: Re: BLOCKBUSTER TRADE!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:37:44 GMT

I've heard of trades that helped both teams, but this one?? IMHO it hurts 
both teams more than anything.

If I'm a Rangers fan I'm thinking, "OK, Canseco for the soon-to-be
free agent Sierra is a good deal, but can we afford to give away a  
starting pitcher from a staff that after Kevin Brown and maybe Nolan
Ryan is already weak AND our closer??????"

If I'm an A's fan, I'm thinking, "Oh just what the A's need.  Another 
injured (in this case sick with the chicken pox or something) outfielder
and two more free agents that are going to be tough to sign next year."

All in all, this looks like a good trade for the Sox and the Twins, although
if the Sox don't play any better than they have tha past few days, they
will have trouble beating a TERRIBLE Cub team as best of the two not good
teams in Chicago.

Just my $0.02.
Neff

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From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:30:59 GMT


In a previous article, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) says:

>In article <5963@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>>
>>Seriously, it sounds as if the Jays obtained pictures of the Mets GM cavorting
>>in the nude with the Seven Dwarves.
>
>Okay..  All of you who think that the Mets got ripped off.  What would
>you have done as the Mets GM?
>
>Your options:
>
[stuff deleted]

>So who would have given what for Cone?  Tell us why, as the Mets GM,
>you would prefer your proposed deal to the actual one.  Put up or shut
>up.  Or at least let us laugh at what you think that Cone might have
>brought.
>

Baltimore: Chito Martinez, Luis Mercedes, Randy Milligan
GDavis can play 1st, Horn DH

-- 
Kimon Zachary			"I stand by all the misstatements that
JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
Baltimore, MD		
Sign seen at the Republican Convention: Reagan '96
From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:23:43 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

NOT!  When his competetion will have over 20 wins and an ERA under
2.75 its not that easy.  Glavine isn't another Steve Stone
or LaMarr Hoyt kinda choice.  He's been the best pitcher in 
either league for the last two years.  If that doesn't have some 
merit what does?  Sure I could've made the same argument for
Danny Jackson when Hershiser won the Cy.   I used to be a devout
sabremetrics kinda guy.  I used to worry about all the stats
like OBP and runs created and run support.  But when you come
right down to it, baseball is about winning and losing.  What if
Glavine wasn't ahead 4-0 in the second inning of a game?  Maybe
he would pitch a better game.  Who's to say that the reason the Cubs
don't score more when Maddux pitches as opposed to the Brave scoring
for Glavine isn't the fact that Glavine has helped himself more at
the plate.         

Its not as if Glavine will win over 20 with a lousy ERA.  He's not
the kind of pitcher that gives up lots of hits and walks.  He
has pitched well to earn his 20 wins.

Glavine will win over 20 games and lose less than 7.  He will have
a superior ERA (2.5 - 2.75) and will have pitched for the division 
champions.  If that's not a Cy Young winner I don't 
know what is.

-MeatHead
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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: AL Cy Young update
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:49:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.032929.26930@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> 
> 
> Two of the three pitchers with the best records went against each
> other tonight.  McDowell (16-7) pitched a complete game shutout, his
> first, beating Brown (16-8) to take the league lead in W-L.
> (Actually, they are tied in wins, but most newspapers list pitchers
> with the first sort on wins, the second sort on reverse losses, and
> the third sort alphabetically.  So McDowell will now appear at the top
> of that list, which is more significant than it should be.)
> 
> In other action, Clemens (15-7) blanked the Angels.  He didn't have
> his best stuff, but allowed only 4 hits and 3 walks in the complete
> game.  He hit one batter and struck out eight.
> 
[stuff re Clemons chances/stats for Cy Young deleted]
> Unbiasedly yours,
> -Valentine
> 
> Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
> 
Don't mean to put a monkey in the wrench, but the Eck is having such a
fantastic year that he is seriously contending for the Cy Young himself.  Not
to take anything away from Clemens, for he certainly is one of the most
dominating pitchers in recent memory.  See the article in SI Aug 24 on Eck for
a good story of the man behind the myth.
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: pitching question
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:00:13 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug28.195226.15324@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, molly@uga.edu writes:
> What does it mean when they say a pitcher has 14 decisions?  I am new fan of 
> baseball.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> MR

	I believe decisions = wins + losses + saves. I'm iffy about saves, but
I believe they count.

Brandon Cope

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From: curve@netcom.com (My Name is Your Fate)
Subject: Re: Blockbuster trade
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 21:39:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <> hutto@smtc.engr.scarolina.edu writes:

>    OK, fire away.  I'm just speculating here with absolutely no knowledge
>    of: 1) what the Oakland minor league system is like, 2) the effects of
>    expansion, 3) what goes on in the mind of major-league "management".

	Well, the A's have certainly been bringing up a reasonably impressive
	group of outfielders.  We haven't really seen anything of their
	infield prospects, but the catcher or two we've seen have looked
	promising as well.  If the A's are indeed planning to rebuild for
	a year or two, they seem to be in an excellent position to do so.
	The only real question is their pitching; there was a point a month
	or so ago where all four of their major starter prospects were on
	the DL with one affliction or another (ungh).

>-------------------------------
>Brent Hutto
>hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu


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			|  I don't know, and I don't care!
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball and Billions
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:49:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSSL

In article <1992Aug26.140129.4647@cis.ohio-state.edu> miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey) writes:
[Deletions]
>
>The point you have missed again is that obviously
>the money is the issue and I maintain that it should not be the only issue
>when it comes to making decisions about the game. The DH was introduced by
>AL owners to try and increase attendence by making The Game more exciting.
>In the European soccer leagues, where the tradition and love for the game
>of soccer is just as strong as it is for baseball here, there are no domes
>and no artificial turf, and the owners make money. Lots of money, in fact.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  (not true, see Luton Town)
>It is unfathomable to me how the owners here can maintain that they have to
>compromise the integrity of the game in order to turn a profit, when in other
>countries they factor the traditions of the game strongly into their business
>decisions.  If it works there it can work here.

The owners in European soccer leagues make "(l)ots of money and they "factor 
the traditions of the game strongly into their business decisions."  Two 
teams in English football league have gone out of business this calendar year 
and a team in the Dutch league was in serious trouble before the season    
started.  The offsides law underwent a major change a couple of years ago and 
a radical change in rules regarding passing the ball back to the keeper has 
just gone into effect.  All in the name of limiting time-wasting and increasing
scoring chances to enhance interest.  The motives and regard for the 
"traditions of the game" that led to the Premiere League in England and the
proposed Super League in Scotland I won't even comment on.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 25 August)  .235 BA  .367 SLG  .277 OBA
27 H away from .300  8 HBP  9 BB
From: IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan R Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Home Run Rule: Lind's Hit in Dodger-Pirate Game
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:16:56 GMT
 <1992Aug25.183506.7082@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
 <1992Aug26.153527.3496@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> <BtM0yD.13K@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
 <1992Aug27.083944.3503@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:

     if the ump judges the ball to be intentionally thrown into the
     field, could this be judged as interference?  in this case, a
     runner from first, especially a fast one, could be awarded
     home plate for the interference.

No, interference isn't the call. Interference occurs when the
offense interferes with, obstructs, impedes, or confuses a fielder
attempting to make a play. Defensive interference is when the
defense hinders or prevents a batter from hitting a pitch....

So far nobody has come up with what the correct ruling would be if
a fielder were to throw a batted ball into the stands. It would not
be a ground rule double, since it would be a deliberate act. Rule
9.01c gives umpires the right to rule on points not specifically
covered in the rules. For this reason, no umpire would ignore such
a flagrant violation by a fielder. Personally, I would declare the
ball dead and award the batter-runner and runners the number of
bases I feel they would have reached had the fielder not have
thrown the ball away.
+===============================================================+
||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
+===============================================================+
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From: eboritz@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Efrim Boritz)
Subject: Re: cone trade
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:43:33 GMT

In article <0095FC3D.756EFBA0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>
   [stuff deleted]
>additionally, they should gotten have more for Cone. Derek Bell and Jeff Kent would
>would have been a good trade. Once again, the Mets traded a premier player for
>marginal gain. Echoes of Amos Otis for whomever and that great deal of Nolan
>Ryan for Jim Fregosi abound.

But the Mets have lost nothing (except a few starts from Cone in a
season thet doesn't matter).  If they don't resign Cone in the off season
they got two players instead of draft picks - maybe better, maybe not.
If they do sign Cone, they have just rented him for the two players they
received (plus they have to give up a draft pick).

Nothing about this prevents them from signing Cone again.

Nick.

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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:18:29 GMT

In article <Btv6u9.327@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> drraymon@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Darrell Raymond) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.162943.13131@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>> 
>> No, White did *adequately* last year.  Even then, his OBP wasn't very
>> good.  And this year?  How many bases do you have to steal to justify
>> a .283 OBP in the leadoff spot?  His defense is great, but his offense
>> seriously hurts the team in the leadoff spot.  Can't they hide him
>> somewhere like sixth or ninth in the order?
>
>  Ok, explain why, please.  Here's my own dumb analysis:
>
>  The difference in averages between Manny and Devon is going to get
>you about 20 more hits over a comparable number of at-bats.

Whoa!  I wasn't proposing batting *LEE* leadoff!  There are a lot of
deserving players in the lineup who deserve to bat a little higher.
No need to jump Lee to the top.  I would bat something like:

Alomar
Olerud	(Excellent OBP.  And look what Milligan's doing in the #2 spot!)
Winfield (Good OBP, good BA, good power.)
Carter	(No *real* reason to bat Carter in *front* of Winfield, is there?)
Maldonado (Hey, he's hot!)
Borders	(And now in decreasing order of power...)
White	
Gruber	
Lee

I might also try White ninth, and Gruber/Lee seventh/eighth.  White
could then steal bases in front of the *good* hitters.  The #9 spot is
a good place for a speedy-but-low-OBP guy.  It is not necessarily a
good idea to bat your worst hitter ninth.

I might bat Carter third and Winfield fourth only because Carter is
more durable.  That way you don't have to mess with the top three
hitters in the lineup to give Dave a break.

What do you think?  Johnny Oates finally did something approximating
what I suggested.  (Though I would bat Devo fifth, and move Gomez or
Hoiles into the three hole.)  Will Cito ever wise up?

Cheers,
-Valentine

-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:34:30 GMT

----------------

Yes, folks - this is not a hoax! I just heard an interview with Peter
Gammons on a Boston radio station say that the Blue Jays have obtained
David Cone from the Mets. The official announcement should be made this
afternoon.

-Ron
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: MLV's of last year
Organization: NSSL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:09:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.192253.17441@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>
>I thought I'd embarrass Dr. Dave by quoting some remarkably
>appropriate comments from his MLV posting last January:
[Comments deleted]
>
>Some of these players have had "surprising" seasons, like Alomar,
>Martinez, Fryman, Devereaux, Pena, McGriff, Kruk...  Yet it seems
>to me that Tate called them right.  Way to go!

The great irony here is that Tate isn't with us at the moment to be
reminded of his triumph.  Our own Dr. Dave is currently on his
honeymoon in Iceland.  We shall have to see if his comments at
the end of this year are as prescient or if he is, well, distracted.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 25 August)  .235 BA  .367 SLG  .277 OBA
27 H away from .300  8 HBP  9 BB    
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves 15 to protect
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:43:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu wrote:
}
}Who is M Nieves?

Melvin Nieves is a swith-hitting outfielder.

Here are his numbers at AA Greenville this season:

AVG   OBA   AB    R    H    2B    3B    HR    RBI   BB   SO    SB    CS    E
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
.283  .381  350   61   99   23    5     18    75    52   98    6     4     5

I believe this comes out to a .531 SLG.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 2Bs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:08:19 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Ryne Sandberg, Chicago		6.98
Delino DeShields, Montreal	6.19
Craig Biggio, Houston		6.00
Luis Alicea, St. Louis		4.86
Robby Thompson, San Francisco	4.85
NL AVERAGE			4.51
Mariano Duncan, Philadelphia	4.48
Willie Randolph, New York	4.30
Mickey Morandini, Philadelphia	4.30
Bill Doran, Cincinnati		4.23
Lenny Harris, Los Angeles	3.83
Mark Lemke, Atlanta		3.73
Kurt Stillwell, San Diego	3.36
Jose Lind, Pittsburgh		2.71

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Roberto Alomar, Toronto		7.84
Lou Whitaker, Detroit		7.32
Carlos Baerga, Cleveland	6.36
Chuck Knoblauch, Minnesota	5.82
Keith Miller, Kansas City	5.79
Lance Blankenship, Oakland	5.36
Scott Fletcher, Milwaukee	5.12
Mike Bordick, Oakland		5.03
AL AVERAGE			4.60
Luis Sojo, California		4.58
Jody Reed, Boston		4.43
Harold Reynolds, Seattle	3.95
Pat Kelly, New York		3.65
Steve Sax, Chicago		3.45
Al Newman, Texas		3.39
Jim Gantner, Milwaukee		3.33
Billy Ripken, Baltimore		3.19

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Drabek & Bonds
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:40:03 GMT

In article <37256@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>
>It would be nice, but the new ownership here seems to be frightened
>of the current salary trend.  The team has publicly stated that they
>will not make Bonds an offer, because they can't afford him.
>Though with Lefferts, Myers, Santiago, and Stillwell, at least, 
>likely to be gone, and Hurst probably traded, they will cut salaries
>a fair amount.  Bonds is from the area and wants to play here,
>but I just don't see how the team can afford him.

Their potential free agents include Larry Andersen ($2 mil), Tony
Fernandez ($2 mil), Lefferts ($2 mil), Myers ($2.4 mil), Santiago
($3.3 mil), and Whitson ($1 mil).  Is Stillwell a free agent?

Looks to me like they could save $12-$13 million right off the top.
And I'd rather have Bonds than any two of the above.

>Attendance is down, despite a winning, and *exciting* ballclub.
>They might draw close to 1.5 million, I think, but 1/3 or more
>of the dates have promotions of some kind.

They aren't winning *that* much.  Nobody cares whether you go 85-77 or
77-85.  They care whether or not you are a serious contender for the
division.  The Padres aren't far away from contending.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Subject: Re: Cone and Overwork?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:10:07 GMT

In article <BtwHKz.HEn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>In article <BtvMw9.EwH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:
>>If anyone wants to know why Cone has had a tired arm lately, just look to a
>>game earlier this summer in which Cone through a 166-pitch game for the Mets.
>>One of my writers mentioned this to me and then told me Cone started slipping
>>for the year right after that outing.  If you ask me, Jeff Torborg should be
>>fired just for that.  NOBODY can go that long (aside from maybe Tim Wakefield
>>if the knuckler is on, but that's a different story).
>
>But that's really the question. If the Mets had decided they weren't going to 
>re-sign Cone, then Torborg was just gambling that the effects wouldn't be that
>great this year, even though consistently overpitching Cone might be detri-
>mental in the long run.  Given all the other problems the Mets have had, it
>doesn't look like Cone getting tired cost them very much.  They'd be out of 
>the race anyway.  If Torborg knew Cone wasn't going to be a Met in '93, it 
>isn't clear to me that he mishandled Cone from a long-term _Mets'_ perspective
>(From Cone's perspective he might have, but not from the Mets.)
>
>Harold
>-- 
>Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu

Okay, I understand your point about the Mets' perspective, but I'm still leary
about Torborg, simply because he might have ruined Cone's career by overusing
him like he did. If Cone fails to produce after signing a multi-million dollar
free agent contract this winter, don't place the blame on Cone. Blame Torborg.

I think the only pitcher Torborg has used well this season is Anthony Young,
the Mets' new bullpen ace, and knowing Torborg, that probably wasn't his idea.



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Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 10:07:18 -0400 
From: Nolan McCarty <nm20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: chicken pox


    It is well worth noting that Ruben Sierra has the chicken pox and is
on the 15 day. Thus, Texas only gave up two weeks of an unsignable
player for signed,sealed and delivered Canseco. Oakland will be without
McGuire or Sierra for a couple of weeks. They might have some trouble
scoring.  As for Witt and Russell, yes the Rangers staff is weak and got
weaker, but they need to build a staff from the ground up and those guys
don't fit into that plan. If I were George Bush Jr., the next thing I
would do is get rid of Tom House rather that trust devevoping a young
staff to him.

Nolan
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From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: roy NL
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:01:57 GMT

If Brian Williams of Houston keeps pitching well and ends up with 10-12
wins, he should get some votes, and maybe the rookie awrdin the NL award. and
this point he is 7-4 with an ERA in the mid to low 3.00 range.

Rick
Mets in 2001
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