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From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: Re: X-Calibur (Swelling out of proportion? NOT!)
Originator: bkg@earth
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:06:21 GMT

In Article: <1992Sep9.234403.23967@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) writes

>On a related note, I was also told that this center where the 300 was
>shot is going to retrofit their ball returns to accomodate balls like
>the X-Calibur and the Storm.  The manager said that these balls swell up
>and give the Jet-Backs a hard time.  Also, that the center would not be
>responsible for damage to this type of ball.

>I've never heard of a ball swelling enough to play havoc on a ball
>return.  I have noticed the Hammers to swell after drilling, but not
>to where it would be outside of legal tolerances.  The manager seems
>to be saying that these balls balloon up to illegal proportions.  Any-
>one, like a Brunswick mechanic, know/heard anything about this?

I worked my way through Engineering School as a bowling machine machanic.
I worked on both AMF and Brunswick Machines. I have gained a reputation in
Central New York as a Master Mechanic and perform consulting, chassis
work and training for local lanes. (Especially the ones that can't afford
a full time mechanic). It has been a fun "$$hobby" for the last 10 years.
In answering your question, Yes bowling balls will swell and gain weight
as they get older, absorb oil, are cold/hot, etc. Some more that others.
However, not to the extent that the Ball returns should not work. (or have
problems). The jetbacks are probably out of spec (adjustment wise) or are
just dirty. I have seen problems with "K-mart" type balls or Bonanza (Columbia
rejects) balls being too small to get kicked into the shoot. This again is
adjustment. In fact, To make sure that the returns were in adjustment, we had
special balls, one small, one overlarge to test the return. The centers
I have associated with have not had this problem to date. Maybe the balls
are not in legal proportion, but the ball return should work.
 
Another Pet Peeve...

All of these bowling centers have signs that say "Not responsible for damage
to plastic/Urethane Balls." BULL FECES! If a ball is gouged to the point that 
it cannot be sanded out, There is a problem with the machines or Flat gutters,
or kickbacks, or fiber edge gaurds, or ball return. Take these proprietors
to task. They are neglegent and should serve their customers better. Now, a 
reasonable settlement may be to fix the ball, especially if it is more than a 
year old, or if the damage is not on the ball track, or provide a proshop 
credit. 

Ben


 
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject: Re: Five-star history
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:08:10 GMT

In article <70PoqB1w164w@campbell.Gwinnett.COM> bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM
(campbell) writes:
>
>  I bowl with an AMF Dick Weber "five-star" that I got around 1969.
>
>  I have been told that it is one of the hardest balls ever made but
>  can't find any information on it.
>
>  Does anyone know how it rates on the "hardness" scale (whatever
>  it's called) and when those balls were discontinued.  I believe
>  they stopped making them in the mid-1970's.
>
>  Thanks.
>
> --------------|---------------------------------------------------------|
>               |                                                         |
>  Bob Campbell |                                                         |
>               |                                                         |
> --------------|---------------------------------------------------------|
>

I don't know about the history of the old 5 star but I used to own one
many MANY years ago.  I don't really know if it's the hardest ball ever
made but if you ever stop using it, drill a large hole into it, stick
a broomstick handle in the hole and use it as a sledgehammer! ;-) ...

-aki

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Lanes & Baby Powder
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In article <1992Sep14.135905.28502@worldbank.org> aki,
aki@atlas.worldbank.org writes:
>of baby power POURED ON THE FLOOR IN THE PIT with footprints all the way

um..er...power = powder....proofreading has never been my long suit! :-)
...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: gregw@hspice.portal.com ()
Subject: Sybervision video tapes
Organization: Meta-Software Inc., Campbell, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:10:30 GMT

A long time ago, ('85?) while living in Australia, I came across 
the "Sybervision" series of tapes in the local video store.  
There was one on bowling, and the thought of "neuro-muscular 
programming" improving my game suckered me in to renting it.

I rented it on Saturday, on Sunday I was bowling in a tournament 
where I was placed third in the lead-up rounds.  I watched the 
tape for about three hours on Saturday.

The tape featured Marshall Holman bowling the right-handed stuff, 
and Johnny Petraglia bowling the lefties.  It focused over and 
over and over and over and over different minute parts of the 
approach and delivery of the ball.  You saw the ball leaving 
Marshall's hand in slow motion about 50 times.  I guess the idea 
was that eventually you would mimic what you saw and turn into a 
"quasi-Holman", though the thought of going bald at an early age 
and sliding across the approaches on my knees after every strike 
was a bit of a put-off :-)

Anyway, on Saturday night, after consuming vast quantities of 
Chinese food and cheap cask wine, we descended on the local 
bowling establishment to finish the night's entertainment.  Much 
to my surprise, I *did* feel like I was the bowler on TV, and 
thought about what I had seen as I bowled each frame.  The fact 
that Holman has a five step (more?) delivery and I had only four, 
and he had a finger-tip ball and I had conventional didn't make 
any difference.

I rolled a 267-234-199 for a 700 even, the first and only time I 
ever crossed the Big Seven mark.  At that time I was averaging in 
the 140's.  The next day I naturally bowled like shit and didn't 
place.

So, a coincidence?  I have often wondered.  Has anyone else out 
there experimented with Sybervision?  I have never seen them for 
rent here in the States, and the ones I see advertised in the 
back of airplane magazines don't have the bowling tape.

-- Greg


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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Lanes & Baby Powder
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:22:05 GMT

In article L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:
>  Due to my work schedule, I only bowl on weekends...right after 1,000's of
>open play/non-league bowlers.  On Friday night, I started the new league 12
>pins over my book avg.  On Sunday eve, (5pm) I got a pair of lanes that had
>been so slicked over by baby powder, I avg'd. 16 pins under avg.  I'm the
>lucky one, the 2 guys avg'd 40 & 80 pins under (respectively).  We noticed
>the powder after we started our shadow balls.  We did have someone "clean
>it up", but by then the damage was done, all 8 of us had slipped & slid all
>over the lanes, & the confidence was shot...Talk about establishing low
>averages...
>Pamela


Hello Pam -

Let me bring to your attention General Playing Rule 12, which states:

	"The application of any foreign substance on any part of the
	 approach that detracts from the possibility of other players
	 having normal conditions is prohibited.  This includes, but
	 is not limited to, such substances as talcum powder, pumice,
	 and resin on shoes; also soft rubber soles or heels that rub
	 off on the approach."

Seeing as how it affected all involved, it wasn't an issue for your
match specifically.  However, you may well have had grounds to request
a different pair of lanes for your match.  It all depends on how picky
you/your team wishes to get.

We all have had to use a little E-Z-Slide when the lanes get a bit
tacky.  How it's applied to the shoes is crucial ... the old saying
"a little goes a long way" comes to mind here.  When I have to apply,
I try to rub it in the sole on the carpeted concourse behind me.  This
usually minimizes the effect on the lane, as opposed to have a couple
of layers "blapped" onto the shoe and ending up on the lane because the
individual applyed it right there at the scorers table ... *sigh*


Bob - it's worse on syncthetics ...

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Stats software for beLEAGUEr'd secy
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In article <Bu9xs0.ILM@news.udel.edu> Craig Prettyman,
craig@freezer.cns.udel.edu writes:
>could get/buy it?  The local software stores around here don't carry
>anything with that small a user base and I think I threw away my
>shareware software catalog when I moved this summer (never needed it
>until now!).

Sorry I don't know of any off hand, although I've seen ads in the back
of bowling mags.  I know of a friend who may have a copy of a bowling
secretary program.  If you can't find any S/W e-mail me and let me know
and I'll see if my friend still has a copy.  I assume it's for a PC and
not
a Mac.

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: ... and Dave thought HE had it bad...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:07:01 GMT

... or subtitled: "The Series from Hell" ...

In article 20835@col.hp.com, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:

>
>then imagine this....  first game... 134 (lowest in awhile)
>then..... 102 ( 51 in the 7th... time for a beer...)
>finally I turned it around and got back to normal... 201  437... yee haw!
>(nice handicap though!!  should be fun next week!)
>

Second week of NFL League in Centreville, we are bowling a vacant team,
so we all have to come within 50 pins of average ... not so easy as it
might seem, as two of our bowlers are establishing an average ...

Entering tonight's contest with a 177 average, I roll a 161 in the opener,
noting that my Black Turbo is taking off at the back end .. BTW, we fell
short of winning that game due to our establishing bowlers ...

Second game, open with a strike ... AND NEVER MARKED FOR THE THE REST OF
THE GAME  :-(  ...  I even brought out the dry-lane ball that I had been
using successfully on the 3-6-10 side spares (I am a rightie) for a change,
as the Turbo was all over the place ... uh, NO !!   This didn't do well, so
back to the Turbo.  Spent the rest of the game trying to make adjustments and
wound up with a PITHY 92 ... ICK !!  :-(   :-(    But ... the team won that
game   :-)

Third game ... still with the Black Turbo, flattened the wrist and put the
ball out on the mark.  Lo and behold, it dove into the pocket ... recovered
from the second game to post a 172 ... still below average, though ... *sigh*

Finished with a 425 series, which brings my average down to a 159 for next
week.  OK, the handicap is nice ...

As a team, we went 6-2 (the second and third games, plus series) ... thus, my
"Game from Hell" was not a factor ... *whew*

>Dave "Beer's never helped before" Fleck


Bob - and I wasn't even drinking last night ...

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Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling,alt.folklore.urban
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: "Killer" bowling balls
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In article <26259@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Terry Chan, twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov
writes:
>Sure, but the National (US) Bowling Council estimated that there were 
>71 million participants (in 1989).  I think that most them probably 
>don't have their balls drilled fingertip.

True, but keep in mind, in the same year there were only 41 million ABC
sanctioned bowlers.  A huge majority of the sanctioned bowlers
prefer (or are considering) fingertip...The NBC's statistics keep track
of the TOTAL number of people who participated in bowling, not just
the more serious sanctioned bowler. 
Additionally, of the remaining 30 million bowlers, most can probably
be considered weekend "casual" bowlers who normally use house balls
which are drilled conventional.  To make my point, observe almost any
league (either female or male or mixed), a large portion of the bowlers
are using fingertip.  Of the sanctioned league bowlers who are not using
fingertip, almost half are using conventionally drilled house balls. If
house
balls were all drilled fingertip, then they would be using fingertip
balls,
in another words, bowlers who use house balls can't really be considered
in the statistics.


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Good Ball for *Very* Dry Lanes?
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:48:43 GMT

Dry Lanes?????

Dry Lanes?????

Hmmmmmmm.....  Where is this house????  Kidding...

I would have to agree with Aki on the Black Knight or the White Dot for
a ball that would take care of your Sahara Condition.  The pearl hammer
will work also but the minute it begins to dull you will get a lot of
break.  If you keep it up though it is decent.  Another ball that comes
to mind is the yellow dot.  It will also hold like the proverbial super
glue until it gets to the pocket. 

Of course you can get any ball to not hook just by the drilling if you
wanted to keep a hard hitting ball.  I forget exactly how but I had a
blue hammer to shoot my 10 pins with.  This in a house with a dry G.
The ball would roll nicely but with just a subtle break.  Good Luck!!!

--
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GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: 7-10 split..... picked-up.
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In article <carl.716142553@wrs.com> Carl Chesbrough, carl@wrs.com writes:
>BTW, I have been bowling for 15 years, does that mean I will have to
>wait another 15 years before I pick it up again?  Last year I did
>have my first (only) all spare game.  A 190 game, with nine 9-counts,
>one 8 count and a strike on my fill ball.
>
>Well, the next goal is a 300 ;-).
>

CONGRATULATIONS!  Personally, I'VE picked up the 7-10, 5-7-10, 8-10,
the big four DOZENS of times...(ok ok..then the alarm clock rang..sheesh
you
didn't say it had to be for REAL.!...).  

What do you think guys...hall of famer of the week?

Wait another 15 years to pick it up again?...naw...try twenty...or
thirty...
or forty...OK OK! I'm just jealous that all!....    ;-)   

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
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From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: an aki thought he had it bad...
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:49:46 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep15.163229.20835@col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
[...]
>I have always used the arrows and pretty much ignored the dots that are 5ft
>out on the lanes... he had me trying to line up the dots and the arrows to
>get the right angle... nice idea.. poor timing...  I would imagine everyone
>else on the net uses this method... am I right?
>

I only use the arrows, for when I use the dots and the arrows, my timing (
what little there is of it) goes right down the tube! 

>Dave "Beer's never helped before" Fleck

From the land where a 19mph straight ball does the trick, I am

Walter

TTFN
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "Killer" bowling balls
Date: 11 Sep 1992 07:28:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

gregw@hspice.portal.com () writes:

  +I cross-posted this to afu because it smacks of an UL.  I haven't
  +seen an afu FAQ for about six months, maybe the answer is there?

Nope, no bowling.  But try later!

  +I used to bowl with this guy named Skip in a mixed handicap league.
  +Skip was a good bowler, averaged in the high 180's, used a "Cobra"
  +wrist support.  One day Skip called me to say that he couldn't bowl
  +for a few weeks because he had torn some tendons in his wrist.
  +When I asked him about it, he said, "I have my ball drilled so
  +that it can only come off my hand the 'right' way.  I was bowling
  +in ABT and it didn't come off right, so it tore up my wrist."
  +
  +So ... is there a method of drilling such that the ball will only
  +come off a certain way, and if not, injures you?

This is a weird one.  Most balls that I've seen are drilled with one
of several methods:

  - Conventional three hole where the hand fits in easily,
  - Fingertip where the upper finger holes are drilled further out
    to facilitate control (in some people's eyes) and commonly seen
    with frequent bowlers,
  - Two holes which are used for specialty strikes (heh) such as
    picking up spares.

I suppose if you bowl with very bad technique coupled with a great
deal of force, you can hurt yourself.  I doubt you can actually do
it such that the ball only comes off a certain way but if you're
wearing a "Cobra", IMO you deserve it (0.5 :-)).  I have found that
you can hurt yourself with fingertip drilled holes but the pain is
usually in the fingers, not the wrist.  I don't see how this combo
could work, but I'd be interested in any comments.

  +[To the AFU'ers:  Hi guys!  I just can't read 200+ articles per day
  +anymore.  When's AFU West III (IV? V?)

Good Q.

Terry "Still trying to pick up a 7-10, but I've got those Brooklyn's
           goin' like you wouldn't believe" Chan
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: UNIX Based Bowling Software
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:06:04 GMT

In article 12449@col.hp.com, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>Robert  Malick  just  emailed me and let me know that the  software is
>available via anonymous ftp from  wuarchive.wustl.edu.  The  directory
>is:  mirror/msdos/database/bowl101j.zip
>
>Just a note:  this is an  older  version.  The  version  on the BBS is
>bowl101L and I think the paid for version is 101M.
>
>Dave


The subject line should tell all ... specifically, Sun SPARC Stations.
If it is available via FTP, that would be fantastic ...

Thanks in advance ...


Bob

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Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
   Chantilly, VA   22021-3808      |    NFL Mixed Secretary:     Mon 21:00


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Sybervision video tapes
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In article <1992Sep8.230740.17379@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>BTW,
>
>aki have you received any email from me?  I have sent you a couple and
>have not gotten a reply....  not sure how your apple email address is 
>working with my unix mailer....
>
>Dave


Dave,

I don't remember any E-mail recently.  I would of certainly sent you a 
reply if I had.  Right after I post this, I will send you an EM.
BTW...if anyone wants to send me an e-mail, please use the email address
listed in my sig.  The other address (aki@atlas.worldbank.org) was a test
address and is being discontinued.

regards,

aki
Worldbank Wash. D.C.
e-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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