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From: rhogan@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.comedy.british
Subject: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:46:46 GMT
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Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Sue Miller:
> kasprj@rpi.edu:
>>MICHAEL WISE:

>>|> stop telling that there own fucking dialect is so fucking superior to 
>>                     ^^^^^
>> You might try taking some fucking grammar lessons while you're at it.
>>That usage is wrong on either side of the fucking pond. 
>> (Don't fucking flame me, it's a fucking joke!)
>You've just gone and fucking done just the fucking kind of followup
>about which he was making a fucking complaint.

Thanks a fucking lot for the fucking observation, master of the
fucking obvious.  I'm so fucking glad to know that.

(Bed-Stuy alphabet, anyone?)
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:37:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.184931.18852@nevada.edu>, wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE) writes:

|> stop telling that there own fucking dialect is so fucking superior to 
                     ^^^^^
 You might try taking some fucking grammar lessons while you're at it.
That usage is wrong on either side of the fucking pond. 
 
 (Don't fucking flame me, it's a fucking joke!)
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From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Subject: Re: alcoholics synonymous
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:26:50 GMT

In article <hyj2#8@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.1479.23155@channel1>, "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:

>|> *Alcoholics Anonymous*.  In other words, the so-called big book of AA.
>|> The real life first person accounts in it can't be beat.

> On that note, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Barry Longyear's 
>_St. Mary Blue_, which he based on his experiences in a recovery program.
>It may not be that widely available, though; my version is a trade 
>paperback from Steel Dragon Press which I was lucky enough to pick up 
>at Noreascon shortly after it had been published. Does anyone know if a 
>mass-market edition was ever published?

Being that I am a close personal friend of Barry's (really, I am) I ought to 
answer this question.  _St. Mary Blues_ was published by St. Martin's
press - not all that many copies were printed (my copy was a printed out
manuscript copy).  The right's have since reverted back to Barry.  Last I
heard (last I asked about it) Hazelton wanted to publish it.  They do a
lot of "recovery" books (some good some not so).  Next time I talk to him
or Jean (his lovely wife) I'll try to remember to ask and post the answer
I get.

I'll put my biased two cents in as well.  if you find a copy give it a
read.  It's a very realistic view of what it's like in an alcohol
treatment facility.  It's not icky sweet or moralistic or sermon.

Another of Barry's books I really liked is _Sea of Glass_.  Very good look
at a future where overpopulation is dealt with severely.  The ending is
atypical although it makes a lot of sense.

wet fishes and hussified kisses,

joan


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From: jbaxter@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joel Kent Baxter)
Subject: Re: Quotes, quotes, quotes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.030242.3780@softway.sw.oz.au> peterc@suite.sw.oz.au (Peter Chubb) writes:
>
>I like books whose authors refer to many other works of literature.
>My favourites at present are Richard Burton's `Anatomy of Melancholy'
>and Dorothy Sayers's `Gaudy Night'.
>
>Burton usually footnotes his quotes -- often they're in Latin -- so
>they're obviously quotes.  Sayers doesn't.
>
>Half the fun of reading Sayers's books is trying to work out where
>she's quoting or alluding to another work. Some apparent allusions are
>not in the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, nor in Bartlet's Familiar
>Quotations.
>

[elided section containing quotes, the attribution of which escapes me]


I can't place the quotes, but this post reminded me of a book I read several
years ago that was practically a continuous allusion to a smorgasbord of 
mythology, fairy tales, "classic" fiction, etc.  The book is <Silverlock>, by
(I think) John Meyers Meyers (sp?).  Although not on the same "literary plane"
as many of the books bandied about in this group, it was fun to wade through;
obvious allusions to things like the <Odyssey> were mixed in with references
to Russian folklore and Kipling.  As I recall, it got a warm reception from the
speculative-fiction group of writers and readers.  Anybody out there read this,
or know of some similar books?  Just curious...


					JB

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22301 rec.boats:8531
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sea Shanty:  See `shanty'
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:02:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I don't know , I've never Kippled>
-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:54:45 GMT

In article <9212181601.AA04042@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>You should have come to the NYC r.a.b.fest at the White Horse.  Mike Godwin
>showed us the R.A.B. Inner Clique Secret Handshake.

Shhhh. Now everyone will want to know it.
 
>> Al Roker is God.
> 
>A number of non-New Yorkers won't get this, but I laughed.

Any non-NYCer who watches the "Today" show sees Al Roker whenever
Willard Scott takes one of his frequent vacations.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: alcoholics synonymous
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:32:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.1479.23155@channel1>, "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com> writes:
|> mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley) writes:
|> 
|> >            What are your favorite books that are
|> >sodden with booze of any flavor?
|> 
|> *Alcoholics Anonymous*.  In other words, the so-called big book of AA.
|> The real life first person accounts in it can't be beat.
 
 On that note, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Barry Longyear's 
_St. Mary Blue_, which he based on his experiences in a recovery program.
It may not be that widely available, though; my version is a trade 
paperback from Steel Dragon Press which I was lucky enough to pick up 
at Noreascon shortly after it had been published. Does anyone know if a 
mass-market edition was ever published?
 
 Even as someone who hasn't had much real-life exposure to alcoholism,
I found it to be an inspiring story.
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22305 alt.politics.homosexuality:7933
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:15:48 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Dec10.173005.4176@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.013400.18340@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

SD:
>>>Someone tell me that this guy Morris isn't white.

MZ:
>>Why? do you need to know your interlocutor's race, in order to
>>evaluate the merits of his statement?

SD:
>Not at all.  However, people betray what is important to them in what
>they choose to say or choose to take exception to.  I do not become a
>foe of "freedom of speech" if I happen to think that Morris's viewing
>this discussion in these terms wildly misses the point.  I would guess
>that Morris is a live, white, heterosexual male (only slighly above dead,
>white, heterosexual males in the PC food chain) who won't easily recognize
>systematic marginalization until he experiences it himself (let's not hold
>our breath)--hence his dismissive, self-satisfied caricature of the statements
>of people who don't find themselves in his benighted situation.  Which
>is not to say that being marginalized is any guarantee of wisdom or
>insight, but it tends to open the sinuses a bit.  On the other hand,
>I think he's doing a good enough job of questioning your assumptions
>in this "game" of yours, though I am not sure why he wants to play.

Big hairy fucking deal, Steve.  To strip the veneer of despicable
self-pity from your judgment, what you are really saying is that social
marginalization is correlated with moral entitlement.  This, of course,
is old hat for anyone living in a Christian culture.  Sade thought, or
pretended to think, that rapists were unjustly marginalized, -- for how
could the negligible loss incurred by the victim of rape, compare to the
enormous gratification experienced by its perpetrator?  A similar
argument can be, and has been, made on behalf of thieves, murderers, or
what have you.  Of course you will object that your proclivities differ
from their heinous crimes, insofar as they are conducted consensually,
and without hurting anyone.  But in saying that, you would be begging
the question of political entitlement.  For surely your fundamentalist
neighbor can claim pain and outrage at being exposed to your lifestyle;
whilst from my secular standpoint, I can argue that its choice indeed
hurts the willing participants.  Should you try to seek refuge in the
hospitable lap of that profligate liberal nanny, Tolerance, I would
remind you that, by your own lights, you have no ground for appealing to
that whore of dead white heterosexual males, while rejecting the rest of
their baggage.  No, you shall stand or fall on your own meager merits,
and all your great sorrowful cries will not make one iota of difference
in your political situation.

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone)
Subject: Re: Books with a sense of humor (was: A modest proposal)
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:48:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.210115.2747@newshost.lanl.gov> gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:
>joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields) writes:
>|> 
>|> >As this is rec.arts.books how about a thread about books with a sense
>|> >of humor.  For instance: I thought Dostoyevski's _Notes From the
>|> >Underground_ was very very funny. 
>|> 
>
>Who was it who claimed the bible has one joke?  Of course it was by
>Jesus; that guy gets all the good lines...
>
>I can't even think of the joke.
>


I think it's during the crucifixion; Christ says to Peter, "Peter, I
can see your house from up here."


Yours in blasphemy,


Ralph Marrone
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Joy of Sex
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:52:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec10.163010.10876@newshost.lanl.gov> gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:

>Just for the record, it's Kama Sutra, by Vatasyayana, and, uh, it's
>_about_, well, here:
>
><*SPINSTER ALERT!!!  SPINSTERS, AVERT THINE EYES*>

*Goodness*, that was really something!  

Take heart, though, fellow spinsters.  As a special service, I have taken
it upon myself to revise this gentleman's posting for those of a more
sensitive nature.  I have simply substituted the more innocuous word
"toodles" for the, er, difficult bits.

"THE SPINSTER'S KAMA SUTRA"


[...]
 
She TOODLES flat on her TOODLES,
you TOODLE between her parted TOODLES, raise them,
hook her TOODLES over your TOODLES,
catch hold of her TOODLES, and TOODLE her:
this is "Manmathpriya" (Dear to Cupid).

[...]

 
Stiff as a TOODLES in the TOODLES' center,
she lies TOODLING,
cooing and warbling like a woodpigeon,
the jewel of her TOODLES well-polished:
this is Mausala" (the Pestle).
 
 
When she TOODLES on her TOODLES
with her two TOODLES pressed tightly together
and you TOODLE her,
keeping your TOODLES outside hers,
it is "Gramya" (the Rustic).
 
If, encircling and trapping
her TOODLES with yours,
you TOODLE so hard that she TOODLES,
it is "Ratipasha" (Love's Noose),
a device most charming to the ladies.
 
[...]


I do hope I have been of some little assistance.



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: It fills us. We arrange it. It decays.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:48:33 GMT

                                    Monday, the 14th of December, 1992


Jim Kasprzak writes, regarding Fiona's post:
  I hope I'm not the only one who finds this point of view to be scary. 
 
  What you seem to be saying is that it doesn't matter if you _are_ a 
  victim of something or not - as long as you _think_ you're a victim,
  then by definition you must be a victim. 
 
  With attitudes like this being taught to our future psychotherapists,
  I can easily see the whole society going insane. 

I hope I've lately and amply demonstrated my own animus here against
the idea that we ought to be our brother's mind's keeper, but, Jim,
this seems to me like you are overreacting. Certainly the brain and
how we think are interesting, intensely interesting. I read Fiona
as saying this, just this. That is, she didn't say we were going
to go out and hang the person her patient has imagined to be abusive.
Only that the imagination can seem quite as real as physical
reality, and in the sense that it does, in fact, supplant reality,
it can be more interesting.

                    Mike Morris
            (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)

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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Books for Christmas
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:20:51 GMT

Cole Kendall  writes:

	An idea just occured to me that perhaps others could reveal the
	few decent airport bookstores; I know the one at O'Hare, but would
	appreciate other recommendations.




Portland OR has a small Powell's, with only new books.

Mitchell Field in Milwaukee WI has a used bookstore, the first I'd
seen in an airport.  Great for browsing while waiting for the snow
to melt off the runways.  (Sometime in May, I think.)



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: All I want for xmas
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:40:12 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Dec17.010033.10707@u.washington.edu> hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.222454.7295@cs.brown.edu> ks@cs.brown.edu (Kate Sanders) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.161536.23882@nas.nasa.gov>
>>wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes: 
>>[long list of xmas books, including:]
>>>
>>>Walking Across Egypt		Clude Edgerton		humorous travel
>>>
>>
>>This is a great book, but you will be disappointed if you're expecting
>>something along the lines of the Blue Guide to Egypt! It's fiction,
>>set in a small town in the South, and the title comes from a hymn.
>>The central character is a likeable, independent, elderly woman
>>living on her own; what i remember is the humorous interaction of
>>characters, rather than the plot. I have in fact given this as a
>>Christmas present, and both I and the donee have lent it to various
>>people, and all of us liked it.
>>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>The plot, were one needed, with all the richness of Edgerton's characters,
>is set in motion when the old lady decides to follow the teachings of her
>bible and takes on the care and feeding of a juvenile delinquent.  
>I love this book, but had no idea anyone *else* had read it.  Silly me!

Another Edgerton book I enjoyed very much was _Raney_.  It's about the
marriage of a small town Southern girl and a big city Yankee (at least, her
relatives think of him as a Yankee).  It's hilarious, and captures the
small town South of my childhood perfectly.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: csmith@blackplague.gmu.edu (Christian Smith)
Subject: Re: Evolution in action
Followup-To: rec.arts.books,alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: George Mason University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:04:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov29.192529.5303@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) wrote:
> 
> > zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
> 
> >jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
> >
> >>No, you can't assume that.
> >
> >All's the pity.  But perhance you would indulge me by spelling out
> >just why you appear to perceive my eugenic premisses as any less
> >progressive or generally not as meritorious as your own?
> >
> 
> Boy, a bueat! what a killer flame? did you sleep through Coherence 101,
> or have you been staying awake at night listening to tapes
> of Dan Quayle Debate Strategy?

And did you sleep thru high scool english?  I found nothing what so ever
incoherent contained within Mr. Zelany's post.  As for listening to tapes
of V.P. Quayle's debate strategy, one could hardly remain awake all night
listening to such for several reasons.  
1) The complete set is only 5 minutes long.
2) It comes with a guarantee of curing any insomia with but a single
playing.

> And didnt they ever teach you to edit out the .signature of the person
> you're replying to? We've all seen his .sig appened to several other
> boring 'flames' on this worthless thread, we dont need to see it 
> again.

The inclusion or exclusion of .sig files in Usenet replies is purely a
matter of personal choice, much like the inclusion or exclusion of .sig
files in general, or the wearing of socks right side in or right side out. 
In addition, these three choices play about the same roll in the universe,
ie there effect is unquantifiably in.significant.

Christian Smith
From: fdeming@cvbnet@prime.com (Frank Deming {x6088})
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Coleen McCollugh
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:12:52 GMT
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Computer Company, Bedford, MA, USA


 I have just completed "The First Man in Rome" and have started the
Grass Crown. Does anyone know if there are anymore?

Frank Deming
fdeming@aecmail.prime.com
From: gj1@inel.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: excellent reading!
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:56:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: inel.1992Dec11.175604.2355
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho

[a bit of friction & debate deleted]

To get back to the issue of the book _The Education of Little Tree_.
I have not read the book, but my wife has - she recommended it unreservedly.
The other night I related the bit I saw in this group about the KKK, nazis, 
non-PC, etc., and asked her if she got a whiff of these tendencies in the
book. Her answer was no. What gives? Given the subject matter, it appears
a long way from all those nasty fascisits.

Now, if this is going to reinitiate a long & tiresome debate, that may 
have blown by me, then send me replies by e-mail.

Thanks


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books

  Anyone out there interested or collect books with illustrations by
  certain artist?  Illustrated books are fun to collect.  You'll
  own works by great artists/illustrators in their early comic strip
  beginnings.  Artist/Illutrator like "Vaughn Bode" who does the
  "Cheech Wizard", "Robert Crumb" of "Fritz the Cat" fame and many
  more.

  Some of the books are limited and signed by the artist/illustrator.
  There are more to be desired if you're into illustrations.  Anyone
  heard of "Bud Plant Illustrated Books"?  Their fifth anniversary
  catalog is out.  So if you're interested e'mail me or call "Bud
  Plant Illustrated Books" at 415-493-1191.  Say you saw it here.
From: lynx@surrey.amigans.gen.nz (Lynsey Gedye)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re:  Help with a title
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:44:34 GMT-12
Distribution: world
Organization: Prime Line, Wanganui, New Zealand

In article <Bz4z8w.8E@dunaad.co.uk> ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter) writes:
>In article <NICHAEL.92Dec10160637@kariba.bbn.com> ncramer@bbn.com writes
>to Francis: 
>
>>Hey Francis, speaking of titles, what's the scoop on the King an' Di?
>
>If I may intrude?
>
>It was revealed by Peter Cook last night on Britain's premier news
>analysis programme (Have I got news for you- BBC2 2200) that the so called
>separation is in fact a tax dodge. (You will recall that the royals will
>start paying tax next year).  

  Cool, Alan, it all seems reasonable.  What does concern me is how
  come on the news on the teeve here each broadcast ends with a credit
  to a certain *Malcolm MacLaren* - the man who got "God Save the Queen"
  to number one during the silver anniversary.

  Do you think that the extra publicity could help sell the royals books
  and is there a chance of reclaiming my family estate in Cornwall?
  And is BBC2 2200 something like Transylvania 6-5000?

  =;)
--
           lynx@surrey.amigans.gen.nz    lynx@amigans.gen.nz