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From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: A question about Islamic History
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.154743.16672@njitgw.njit.edu>, smc2103@hertz.njit.edu (Shoaib M Chaudhry) writes...
>Assalam_O_alikum !!!!!
> 
>                      I am stuck with a problem.... If anyone of you can help me i will be really grateful to you. When i was young , i heard a story that 
>there was this great personality ( Ican't figure out the name, and that is 
>what i want to know about ). A woman came to him and asked him to forbid his
>child from eating sugar. The Great personality asked the lady to come one 
>week later....... So, the woman came after one week to the same person with 
>her son. The great personality asked him to stop eating sugar. The Child did
>act on his advice. The woman (mother of that child) asked the person " Why 
>did he not say that , when they came the first time? WHy he had to call them 
>on another day?" ..... The person replied, " that day i had eaten sugar myself,
>so i could not tell the child not to eat the sugar, but now i can tell him 
>because i have left eating sugar myself ".
> 
>                     Can anyone please name that person for me,  and if possible please mention the story with the book you read it in !!!!.
> 
>                                                             Thanks.
>-- 
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	I think it is just kind of folklore (or some arabic/persian
	tails). I heard another version where it is not sugar but smoking.

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aa102@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Amer  Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
Keywords: Nusrat
Reply-To: aa102@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Amer  Ahmad)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:04:25 GMT

I saw Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan in New York in Early October.  It was a really great show.  He is teaching Qawwal at University of Washington in Seattle.  I really like his album "Mustt Mustt," even though it is a bunch of remixes.

Amer



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Karachi Airport
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:43:47 GMT

In article <dogar.721078783@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
>khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>>	how long Bakray kee maa khair manaa-ae gee?
5 years.
>
>que?

Tanwir Syed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Talaq by Phone
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.122914.11082@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>
>Then, HOW DOES A handicapped person (a person who cannot speak)
>divorce    his   wife?    Also,  should  this  TALAQ  be  uttered
>consecutively three times, or  is  it  over  a time period.  That
>is,  if  TALAQ  is  uttered  thrice  with  some time gaps (say  X
>minutes) within a time period of Y? Also, what is  the  proof  if
>the PEOPLE involved do not agree to it? 

In a recent marketing executives meeting at Texas instruments, it was 
declared that something drastic had to be done to stop the declining 
sales of their "spell-n-speak" toys. One of the enterprising members 
pointed out that a large potential market existed in Eastern countries
for such products. Amnesty International had reported of hen-pecked 
mute husbands being held in daily torture by their wives. Marketing 
these speak-n-spell toys in those communities would therefore be not 
only a humane thing to do, but very profitable as well since the 
transportation of such life saving equipment would be funded by the 
US govt.  Further, while the currently marketed spell-n-speak toys 
in US had the ability to switch between both male and female voices,
the ones that would be marketed in Islamic communities would need 
only the male voice simulator chip thereby reducing their costs 
drastically. Further reduction in costs would be achieved by doing 
away with the hologramic, flashy Micky mouse and Donald duck cartoons
on these toys and replacing them with simple geometric designs.  ;-)

>Is the uttering by HUSBAND alone enough? Or is  there  a  provision 
>where WHAT-IS-UTTERED-SHOULD-BE-HEARD-BY- WIFE? What if the WIFE is 
>Handicapped  (  deaf,  or  cannot  hear clearly)? And in cases 
>where there are more than one wife, and if A PERSON INTENDS TO  
>TALAQ only one of them how does one go about it?

There are two ways to do it. If one wishes to divorce all the wives
use the "broadcast" mode else use the "multicast" mode to divorce 
only a subset of the wives. 

>  What is the status of the DIVORCED wife? Is she to  remain  all
>by herself, that is is she provided any compensation etc,?

Rememeber the Shah Bano case ?

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From: smc2103@hertz.njit.edu (???)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Lata Mangeshkar dead!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:09:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

From njitgw.njit.edu!rutgers!utcsri!torn!maccs!cs707ab Fri Nov 13 10:04:43 EST 1992
Article: 29545 of soc.culture.pakistan
From: cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Lata Mangeshkar dead!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 05:43:29 GMT
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

In article <8988921.A098@netman.nms> rk@nms.hls.com (The Kafir) writes:

This person is indeed sick ..... makes it even worse when such things come
from educated (as in made it to a university) people! becasue our only
hope to bring a revolution in Pakistan is from the educated people.


Dear Brother ,

              Please to know that you are very educated and you are ready for
the revolution and that you are mentally very healthy. Go on live with that 
my dear. I want to see what you will do for Pakistan. I am here and you are 
here. I will like to see when you are ready to serve Pakistan after you 
graduate. 

              Time will tell us if you are ready to serve Pakistan or you are
ready to serve yourself ypou dumbhead !!!!!:-))


Who/what is Al-Elahi btw?  :-)


Kamran Aftab


-- 
     ,__@`                  'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,  Shoaib Chaudhry
      \<,   "Wrong way you   ,>/      ,>/      ,>/      ,>/   Computer science
   /^\/ //\    IDIOTS!"    /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ NJIT,NEWARK,NJ.
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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistani Pop Music
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:31:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: slate.1992Nov10.043117.39970
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Nov10.012022.29180@wam.umd.edu> punjabi@wam.umd.edu (Musst Musst) writes:
>
>Does anybody know of any new Pakistani pop groups that are good?

      What punjabi means ?   Five bad habits (Pung-aib)  -
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kamalipk@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kamran Ali)
Subject: Please rename misc.news.southasia to misc.news.indian propaganda
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:59:52 GMT
From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:CONVERSION US & INTERN'L VIDEOTAPES
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:41:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov10.194112.17143
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity


Hi,
 
Because of sevral e-mailrequests, I am posting again this message here for the
benefit of others who might need such service.

There is a service in Raleigh, NC where video conversion from any country format
to any format can be made (VHS, VHS-C and 8 mm types of cassettes).
This will allow playback of videotapes made overseas, here on U.S. TV's and VCR's
(NTSC System). The service will also convert the other way around, from
U.S. system to any of the systems used anywhere else in the world (PAL,
SECAM, etc..) 
 
Mailing Address:  INTERNATIONAL VIDEO CONVERSION
                  520 Harvest Lane
                  Raleigh, NC 27606-2217
 
Phone:            (919) 233-8689
 
Fees:             $20.00 + $5.00 S&H 
                  (Price of a High Grade Cassette Included, 2hrs or less)

Delivery:         Mailed back the next day, express shipping at request. 
 
Payment: 	  Cheque, Cash or Money Order mailed with tape.


Regards,
Hechmi.
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Name changes in Pakistan
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:39:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Nov6.202359.17442@schbbs.mot.com> yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin) writes:
>
>	Lalu Khait	to 	Liaqatabad
>	
        Paposh Nagar    to      Altaf Nagar
From: smc2103@hertz.njit.edu (Shoaib M Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A question about Islamic History
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:47:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Nov9.154743.16672
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: smc2103@hertz.njit.edu

Assalam_O_alikum !!!!!

                      I am stuck with a problem.... If anyone of you can help me i will be really grateful to you. When i was young , i heard a story that 
there was this great personality ( Ican't figure out the name, and that is 
what i want to know about ). A woman came to him and asked him to forbid his
child from eating sugar. The Great personality asked the lady to come one 
week later....... So, the woman came after one week to the same person with 
her son. The great personality asked him to stop eating sugar. The Child did
act on his advice. The woman (mother of that child) asked the person " Why 
did he not say that , when they came the first time? WHy he had to call them 
on another day?" ..... The person replied, " that day i had eaten sugar myself,
so i could not tell the child not to eat the sugar, but now i can tell him 
because i have left eating sugar myself ".

                     Can anyone please name that person for me,  and if possible please mention the story with the book you read it in !!!!.

                                                             Thanks.
-- 
     ,__@`                  'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,  Shoaib Chaudhry
      \<,   "Wrong way you   ,>/      ,>/      ,>/      ,>/   Computer science
   /^\/ //\    IDIOTS!"    /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ NJIT,NEWARK,NJ.
   \_/  \_/                \_/  \_/ \_/  \_/ \_/  \_/ \_/  \_/
From: seshadri@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Raghu Seshadri)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:59:21 GMT
Subject: Re: The definition of religion in Islam and secularism
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan


 -Those people who still beleive that Islam can go along with
-"secularism" or any other form of state affairs have to go back and dig
-into the spirits and difinitions of Islam.

	Since secularism simply means that the Government will
	not discriminate between citizens on the basis of religion,
	what you say above amounts to " Non-muslims cannot
	expect equal treatment under an Islamic state". If you
	did not mean this, you cannot have any objection to
	secularism.

 -The important point to understand is the status of non-muslims in an
-Islamic state. A fear has been spread out by western media, and some
-"innocent" muslims, that an islamic state means no freedom to an
-individual of practicing his own religion. Above all Islamic state means
-persecution of non-muslims. Let me say that there is no reality in this
-fear. Because Islam guarantees religious freedom. Islam has definitive
- approach to the rights of non-muslims. 

	Let me quote from an article I wrote some time back :

	" I have no idea what the law says - but in fact it is 
	impossible to build Hindu temples in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia
	and several other Muslim countries. During my stay in 
	Kuwait, all applications by Hindus to build temples were
	rudely rejected. Not only that, even gatherings
	in private residences for Puja etc were liable to be 
	interrupted by high-handed police patrols. I have also
	heard accounts of how the Saudi customs confiscates religious
	literature and objects to be used for private worship and
	throws them in the trash can ! "

	Mr Jaseemuddin, are all these guys in total violation of the Koran ?
	If so, how come the Islamic clergy does not raise objections
	to these actions ? In fact, they are actually even more
	intolerant than the government officials, and are forever urging
	the officials to be more bigoted than they already are !
	How come they violate the Koran with impunity ?

-Muhammad Jaseemuddin

	Raghu
From: tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Tariq Hamid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My idea
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:34:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Nov7.200955.25986@njitgw.njit.edu> fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad) writes:


>	I fully agree with the idea. This is the time now to think beyond
>	the religion and ethnic bounds. The hungry non-muslim feels the
>	same way as hungry muslim. 

>	I wish that the money both India and Pakistan are spending in 
>	purchasing the lethal weapons of war be used to provide food and
>	sheltor for the needy souls. To make a country stable economically
>	is more important than to make it a geographical threat to 
>	neighbouring countries. I am fully aware that the majority of people
>	of both countries want to live with love and peace, and looking for
>	better relationship with each other.

>	Remember, there is a peace in love....

Agreed. As I have stated earlier its is OK to say: 
	" I am English, I am British, I am European.", or for that matter
	" I am Scottish, I am British, I am European.", etc,  etc.

So why cannot it be said:
	" I am Punjabi, I am Pakistani, I am Bharti.", or for that matter
	" I am Punjabi, I am Hindustani, I am Bharti.", or
	" I am Bengali, I am Hindustani, I am Bharti.", etc, etc.

I do not propose an indian super-state, merely a conferation of cooperating
states and nations.

The one big obstacle, as always, is religion, or how it is manipulated by the
ruling elite to keep them in power.

Too, too many lies have been told, over the past, to our people that has filled
them full of hatred for their fellow man.

I believe that what you are preposing is difficult, but possible. To achieve
this calls for a overhaul of the corrupt systems of Pakistan and India - our
people deserve better.

To this end a pressure group has been formed called, "Friends of Pakistan".
It has a charter, which I will post in a few days time, that demands:
decentralization, a fair electoral system, educational reform, judicial reform,
redress for state abuse, bureaucratic accountability, reformed taxation, etc,
etc.

Supporting such a charter may sound futile. But it is the idea in itself that
is important, and the spread of this idea.


Yours

tariq
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 Department of Computer Science  	JANET:     tariqh@uk.ac.qmw.dcs
  Queen Mary & Westfield College  
   Mile End Road                   	  Telephone:  +44 71-975 5245
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: asiddiqu@diana.cair.du.edu (ALTAF SIDDIQUI)
Subject: Computer Journal
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:09:34 GMT

Assalamo Alaiqum!
I have a question about computer journal in Pakistan. Can anyone give me some
information about the journals/magazines relating to computer (any area)
which are published in Pakistan?
I will appreciate the name and addresses (if possible) also.
Thanks. My address is asiddiqu@diana.cair.du.edu.(it is at the top anyway)

Altaf 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: eb139@city.ac.uk (MAHMOOD Z)
Subject: Announcing a new Talker.....
Organization: The City University
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:22:24 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: cs911157@ariel.yorku.ca (SYED K NAZEER)
Subject: Re: to be muslim : < WAS conversion out of ISLAM????
Originator: cs911157@c10.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:35:30 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.210624.9271@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab) writes:


... stuff deleted ...

>> So that means one cannot be muslim by birth ... one has to study the religion
>> in depth to "wholeheartedly" believe in it. What that translates into is that
>> all but few of the people living in the muslim countries (now can we call them
>> muslim countries?) are not muslims! 

But how can anyone/anything establish if a person beleives in Islam "whole heartedly" or "part heartedly"?

... stuff deleted ...

>> Kamran Aftab

Khurram Nazeer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab)
Subject: Re: Can I handcarry a Computer in PIA ??
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:25:31 GMT

In article <92313.233616MYNLG@CUNYVM.BITNET> <MYNLG@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>Hello all!
>             I'm from Nepal.I'm currently in NY but will be going home soon
>for a short break.I'm planning to take my computer home.It's a mini tower
>case computer.The exact dimension would be 18" x 16" x 7". I'm planning to put
>this in a handbag which I've already bought! I would like to know if it's
>allowed or anybody has done this (handcarry a computer in Pakistan Airlines)??
>If not how much extra do i have to pay for every extra pound ?
>
>                                                    Nish.

A friend of mine is leaving this thursday (NOV. 12) for Pakistan through PIA,
and guess what .... he is hand carrying his computer too! Only after he 
has gone thru it, I can tell you anything.

I don't think you would wanna pay for the extra weight, I don't know the 
exact rate, but you will be able to buy another computer with that money!

One last thing, did you make sure the bag size is greater than 18" x 16" x 7" ?

:-)

Kamran Aftab

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Nikah by Phone
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:59:59 GMT
Reply-To: zafir@unssun.UUCP (Zia Zafir)
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <720910166@lear.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>        No, sreioulsy, my understanding is the following... You need 7
>people (other than the prospective husband and wife). They need to be
>arranged as follows
>
>                     Nikah-Reader
>Groom                                        Bride
>Attorney                                     Attorney

You don't need any attorney as far as Shariah is concerned.
>Witness 1G                                   Witness 1B
>Witness 2G                                   Witness 2B
>
>as sunnah, but are not neccessary. In fact, if a Nikah reader,
>attorneys, and witnesses are not available, and the a man and a woman
>hold God as a witness to the marriage (and intend to stay married for
>life), the nikah is valid according to all Fiqhs I have read. Beyond
>that Allah knows best.
>
>
>        Salman [Pakistani by birth, single by the grace of God] Azhar

Salman  From where did you get this.

Only Fiqh Jaafria allows that where you can have God as a witness (Muta)

In Ahl-e-Sunnah wal Jamaa'h (i.e. Hanafi, Maliki, Shafaii, and Hanbali)
there are two conditions of a Nikaah to be valid.  Mehar should be
decided and there MUST BE two Muslim witnesses of the Ijab-o-qubool.

According to Shariah, the Nikah should be announced and open.  It should
not be secret.  You don't need attorneys or nikah reader but two witnesses
are MUST.  Khutbah of nikah is sunnah and mehar should be according to the
status of the groom.

Zia Zafir
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: punjabi@wam.umd.edu (Musst Musst)
Subject: Pakistani Pop Music
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:20:22 GMT


Does anybody know of any new Pakistani pop groups that are good?
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: MULLAHS BURN QURAN AND DESCERATE MOSQUE IN DACCA
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:55:20 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL) writes:

>     Yes, you have a right to believe in what you want.  And the same Ayah 
>     also says that "the right direction is henceforth distinct from the
>     wrong direction"!  So believe in what you will but give us a right to 
>     safeguard our religion from youf evil.  

If you think that Ahmadis are preaching falsehoods, go ahead and preach
corrections to those falsehoods. But you don't have any right to commit
violence on them.

(And all this condoning of violence after a bunch of sane postings on
 S.C.I. Which is the real Raheel Khan?)

Sumitro
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:16432 soc.culture.indian:36240
From: mallya@octel.com (Satyanarayana Mallya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Talaq by Phone
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:38:55 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Nov06.122914.11082@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
>
>Then, HOW DOES A handicapped person (a person who cannot speak)
>divorce    his   wife?    
>where WHAT-IS-UTTERED-SHOULD-BE-HEARD-BY- WIFE? What if the WIFE is 
>Handicapped  (  deaf,  or  cannot  hear clearly)? And in cases 

	Actually that would be very similar to western divorces. The guys
give two lakh (dollar/rupees/cents/paise) in three installments and it
will be perfectly legal!

	As far as phone talaqs for the hearing impaired, I think AT&T can help
with its video phone.


Lakh: 100,000
For the humor impaired: Don't ruminate on this.


-Indu.
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
>|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
>|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+

- Same here


						Satya Mallya