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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:14:02 EDT
From:         "Christopher R. Maden" <ST101655@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Me

Yeah, you Pink bastards, I'm back.  (And oh, by the way, which one's Pink?)
Sorry to dredge up an old subject, but I was in Dixie for a week.

1) Sorry to bring up New Thinking on the list.  Deal.

2) My New Thinking is not to run in fear from an organization because
it has Greek letters in its name.  Delta Psi is a literary fraternity;
rumor has it that the name indicates a change in psychology of fraternities.

3) I work for a large insurance company.  It has nothing to do with my
anticipated career; I grew up near Hartford and tend to run in fear from
actuaries.  I'm there for the summer putting something good on my resume,
and sucking up their dough.  I write lots of meaningless things on reams
of paper with corporate-speak in it under "Bob"s smiling Pipe.  The
mumbo-jumbo impresses them and lets my mind wander.  Sometimes I practice
automatic typing while on the job; my writing usually impresses them
more.  I have brought a bit more Slack into everyone's life at that
Monolithic Enterprise; I like to think it was "Bob"'s will.

So there.

Now fine, take your Uniball and go home if that's how you feel.

Peace, Love, and Happiness,
crism

Remember, when you are faced with a seemingly impossible task, that you
were created in the image of a god, and therefore have godlike powers.
If you set your mind to it, you can accomplish anything.
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From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Happy Birthday ri

Welcome back P. Head.  Just in time.

>I should also tell you that I am seriously considering changing ros name
>from Petunia to Uniatz. Ri would like it better.

Not to seem impertinent, but let me warn you off the coming "I've got a
sausage with your name on it" joke.  "Don't," as LIBWCA once said to me.
"Just don't."

alp
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From:         Gregor <T230446@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
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              20 Aug 1992 09:27:39 EDT from <idealord@DORSAI.COM>

To paraphrase Jello Biafra,
            TOO MANY SHARKS IN THE MEME-POOL!
We are NOT all interested in causing"philisophical[sic], artistic,and
political chaos" although that may be all that remains in our wake.
We are the voice of discontent echoing in everybody's head.  It's all
around.  When you analyze the deeper structures of your own desire...
then you will begin to see.  Pieces will begin to fall into place.
What we ARE interested in causing is elevation.Philosophical,artistic,
political elevation.  We are not a We in the sense of a coherent group.
If you represent real group of people with anarchistic intentions and
nothing more, you're no more than Droogs.  If, however, by using the
word We, you were refering to We the People...(or at least something
greater than Self {as in  Self-gratification}) then you might be
touching upon the right fibers.
     Anyway, for what it's worth:  Do not spread the Virus, awaken the
Meme!  The Virus is what is consuming this country.  The virus is
Supply-Side Economics.  The virus is an end to Urban Renewal.  The virus
is spiritual repression, and material gluttony. Greed. Ignorance in an
ivory tower with mass destructive capabilities. Out-of-touch arrogance
and intolerance.  Repression and cruelty with a smile.
     The meme is liberation.  It is the message that the only way to
fight evil to not be a part of it.  The only way to be an anarchist is
to define anarchy in your own terms.  Every revolution that ever meant
anything in human terms happened silently at first.  Revolution means
change.  Promises of blood and agony are good for young testicles, but
offer little to those interested in transcendence.  The term floating
around is Lestragation, a form of mental maturation (or masturbation,
depending upon how you want to look at it).  It has to do with inter-
connection (such as on lists) and spontaneous detatchment from ingrown
paradigms and thought constructs.  This is all I can report on right
now.  I hope I didn't skip around too much.  The real adventure is
going on your own world, which is actually THE Macrocosm.
     Oh, one other thing!  If you get nothing at all out of this, at
least hold on to this image (it is one of the basic icons which might
help jog your memeory):  Two men building a great tower, back to back.
The one in front demanding materials in order to continue construction.
The one in back dismantling the tower in order to facilitate
construction.
     It doesn't need explanations, because it is art.  It pops up again
and again.  I think I first saw it in a cartoon.

Hunan Bluglaglu <T230446@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:17:57 EDT
From:         LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Snivle/Elvis Wedlim/Bedlam

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:59:00 EDT Leicester of Yark said:
>Did you pretend to deny the is-ness of the Salamander?  Yea, that not only
>did the body grow a new tail, but also, in addition, that the tail grew
>a new body, and that they did infest the carpets of the Leri-L-ites this
>weekend?
>
Since I grow a new kidney twice a week (I now have over a thousand) I am
inclined to believe this little fable.  However, it does raise the
following questions:

>If the tail grew a new b
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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Paranoia

The fear that meaning is shifting back and forth, like those optical iperceptual
demonstrations where you saw a vase, or you saw the old crone, or you saw one
and then the other, this oscillation between a comfortable station in
normal reality, the house of common sense and utilitarian marine, and that
other world where every word points at you, or might,but no--correlates
fairly well with at least some aspects of RAW's remarks about belief systems,
though this is not, I'll grant, the result of careful study. Middle Road.
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Subject:      dialectics

which began fast upon the heels of the appearance of authority.


Friggin' Fastnasty Funcum
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:48:00 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      ri/ros

>OhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoIforgot!
>
>Ri:  Genderless third person singular pronoun in Saucy (sausage-speak)
>Ros: Genderless third person singular possessive pronoun in Saucy.

I understood and I highly endorse; just li'l joke.
Hope Petunia not offended.

So:
he/she=ri
his/her(s)=ros
him/her=?

Of course, it awaits approval by Cuthbert.

PeeHead is dead?  Another casualty?  Did this happen on Stony brook?

alp
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Subject:      Hey!

	Hi.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:19:18 EDT
From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Puppies & Rainbows
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well THAT was a laugh!  is there anything you love more than
a target?  I feel so humbled.  I guess I SHOULD have subscribed
to that course at the International Institute of Jaded Worldliness.

keep feedin my soul merci-man.  you're beautiful.  don't go changin.
see you next week here in the ramada inn's flamingo room.

All Together Now,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~robert holder~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~       assistant unix troll   us geological survey      ~
~ robert@whiplash.er.usgs.gov  st petersburg florida usa ~
~~~~this world is lit to pop and nobody is gonna STOP!~~~~
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From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject:      waaaaaay back thar when I
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...took froshmen philosophy, those of us who were actually INTERESTED
and not just there for a credit daily drew a dead-horse meter. some threads
here have been low on it, others.....

From: General Mills <LIBALP%EMUVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
>Subject:      Beating a dead horse
>From the intro post, the Extropians seem to want anarchic politics, but not
>an anarchic list.  Do Fnordians think this possible/proper/silly/not-worth-
>thinking-about or what?
well hell, these guys think they 'own' the various data transactions that make
up a mailing list, so IMNSHO they can never claim 'rational thought' and may
go fuck themselves.

It is all fine and dandy to talk about what you are/aren't doing at the moment.
And please don't think that I've never performed any sort of data exchange w/o
words -- I'm fairly experienced with passing even unfamiliar memes to others
w/o much more than hand-waving, context and a visual aid or two... but there is
the matter of effort, desire, etc to take in to consideration....personally, i
just trash most of the dreck that passes thru here.  But, often a gem pokes
thru the dung.  I think I've ceased my Requisite Occasional Bitching on List
Content for a few months, no worry...

>I run the risk here of being The-Guy-That-Rags-On-Other-Lists, but intro-post
>proscribes challenging-of-assumptions on the Extropians list itself.

"[they're all just a ] Bull Shit Belief System. Bull shit. Belief system. Bull
shit. Belief system. Bull shit belief system." -me, in my 1988 debate with dan
quayle.

joe provo

ps- hey, whoever sent out those Quayle Quotes -- GEEZ D00D, THAT WAZ SSSOOOO
K00L, I DOWNLOADED THEM TWO MY BROTHER"S COMMODORE 64!!! IT TOOK UP SO MUCH OF
THE TAPE IN THE PLAYER< I THOT HE WUZ GONNA KILL MEEE!!!!!
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From:         Tetra Hedron <MATMACCONAON@BODKIN.UCG.IE>
Subject:      Re: Happy Birthday ri
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> Subj: Happy Birthday ri

OhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoOhnoIforgot!

Ri:  Genderless third person singular pronoun in Saucy (sausage-speak)
Ros: Genderless third person singular possessive pronoun in Saucy.

Also, PeeHead is Dead.
th
From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander~)
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Date: 12 Aug 92 22:03:08 GMT
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LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET (General Mills) writes:

>>        First off, people more or less _started_ in a random place on
>>the (flat) face of the planet, and once one bit of 'breakthrough' tech
>>was invented, it spread _outwards_ from that point, like a virus...

>I hereby request substantiation.  Normally, I think we can assume "random
>place", but when demonstrating the silliness of the Go-West argument, it seems
>insufficient to say, "It was random.  Everybody knows that," even if everybody
>does.  Silly, I agree, but if we cannot disprove it, we ought to allow
>for the possibility.

	Oh, I _definitely_ allow for the possibility of the Go-West
scheme...I just prefer mine. :)  I can't substantiate the claim of
randomness - it very well could have been that the Stark Fist smote
mankind into existance in a particular place for a particular reason.
For now, I'm just working with a different BS.  (I _do_ try so hard to
word stuff like this in the wishy-washiest way I can, too...More or
Less...:)

>>California/Silicon Valley was more or less randomstance (there's a bit

>Again, how do you argue random vs. Some Grand Design?  Our Boys try to study
>the advance of civilization and discern a pattern therein.  Make a case for
>a counter pattern, or show why their assessment is arbitrary, that's a way to
>do it.

	I don't think that WhateverAdvancement is purely _random_ -
I'm aware that there's all sorts of various social and economic and
whathaveyou factors influencing the movement of the "center" of
technocracy.  And, yeah, I do recognize the swoop thataways that Leary
points out.  I'm just questioning it right now, because it's just one
of those things that seems like it could mutate into Dogma _real_
easy...sometimes, it sounds to me like everyone living East of Nevada,
and are not planning on packing up for Palo Alto, is a mental and
social throwback...and I'm not all too sure that 5,000,000,000+ humans
would be altogether comfortable packed together in San Fransisco...
Dunno.  Just the aesthetics, and the near-fanaticism that this meme is
sometimes presented with gets on my nerves.  Progress doesn't seem
linear like that to me...it's a fractal, yeah, that's it!!! :)
	And remember...if you go West far enough, you wind up in the
East again...

Salamander~


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From: idealord@DORSAI.COM (Jeff Harrington)
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Subject: IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV and the Republican Convention
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:33:23 GMT
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IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV continues its regularly scheduled "jamming" of
the media/state with the following changes during the Republican Convention.

EST - 8:00 - 10:00 PBS/NBC Joint Coverage will be "illuminated."

If their coverage lacks access to the floor I'll be switching to the CBS
coverage.

I had the profound pleasure of "zapping" Ronald Reagan again Monday night.
Long time, no see...  The IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV project began its serious
jamming efforts with the 1983 Republican Convention.  Nine years of censorship
by the public and private press and electromagnetic medias have effectively
kept discussions of this phenomenon underground.  Mondo 2000 (yawn...) still
would rather cover the latest pop music losers than a real cyberpunk action.

What do you expect from real people and real interpersonal politics?  Truth?

cough...

Jeff Harrington
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From:         MM <mbm@PACSCL.UARC.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      smart drugs

Is this a very common topic of discussion on that Extruding list?  I'm groping
for a place to discuss what and where. I've had experience with these un-
mentionables, and wouldn't mind gobbling about them. But I am not well-versed
in any details of their theory, and perhaps I would be too much the dullard
among them. What was that address again? How many messages do they generate?
Better send me over there quick.


LIQUID NEURON
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:42:00 EDT
From:         General Mills <LIBALP@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Beating a dead horse

>>*Sigh*.  I suppose, after all, FNORD-L isn't rilly the proper place
>>to initiate a discussion, is it?
>I counter with a hearty
>yes it is...

>Personal Freedom:
>  anarchocapitalist politics, free-market economics, cryptography,
>  privacy, digital cash, electronic communication

From the intro post, the Extropians seem to want anarchic politics, but not
an anarchic list.  Do Fnordians think this possible/proper/silly/not-worth-
thinking-about or what?
Can democracy work if the people are all fascists?  Can you have an anarchic
political system if the people dislike anarchy on a personal level?
You are all required to answer, all 100+- of you.
I run the risk here of being The-Guy-That-Rags-On-Other-Lists, but intro-post
proscribes challenging-of-assumptions on the Extropians list itself.
Joe, you're first.  Pat, you're next.

alp
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There is one further passage I would like to share with all of my genial
fellow fnordians, who, IMHO, deserve the very best. And so, continuing
with the discussion of rational and analytic thought AS OPPOSED TO, as
they say, to anarchy, I present a description of circuitry:

	"All those who have vantage points in their spirit, I mean, on some
side or other of their heads and in a few strictly localized brain areas;
all those who are masters of their language; all those for whom words have
a meaning; all those for whom there exist sublimities in the soul and currents
of thought; all those who are the spirit of the times, and have named these
currents of thought--and I am thinking of their precise works, of that auto-
matic grinding that delivers their spirit to the winds--
	are pigs."



						Yours in Fellowship,



						Brother George
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From:         Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      Re: brain areas
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Gee, life just keeps getting better and better.

I'm having some trouble reading all the (intentionally?)
obscure and vague messages.  If it's supposed to
just flow, I can watch, but it seems to revolve around
PERSONALITY (ONEMAN) CULT issues and dynamics...

After a year, do I get a gold parker pen?

> No Longer The Ugliest Person On This List Now That You're Here

yeah yeah yeah.

FUCK: anthropology list is just getting over its convulsions
over foss, (ban him or no?) when shows up more "THOU SHALT NOT"

(raby)
> You people (some, not all) really have NO IDEA how much work you create
> for me, and many others, when you put things in my mailbox that I will
> most likely just delete after a few days of my not reading it.

LESSON ONE: delete key.  learn it.  use it.  love it.

are we really ACCOMPLISHING anything here?  NO. The net (mail/usenet)
is a waste of time, unless you are in TCPIP-PROGRAMMING-GENIUS-L
talking about packet structure.  YOU ARE WASTING TIME NOW.
Deal with that.  Why does everything have to have a reason?
what is wrong with fucking around for no good reason?

Everything humans tell you is LIES LIES LIES!  The only things worth
paying attention to originate in you.  Except this message, of course.

I sympathize with raby in that he seems to be addressing the people
who genuinely need more friends.  They need to get laid if the
FUCKING POLITICAL CORRECTNESS LOBBY will let me use an accepted
american colloquialism.  They want contact but are afraid of real
people.  raby has my sympathy.  But if he (or salsbury) has specific
people in mind, why bother everybody?  why not mail them personally?
why leave us all wondering if we, individually, are "in the club"?

I hated that SHIT in school and I still hate it now.  I'm sure there
is a big established base of people here who know they're on the inside
but if I may (or even if i mayn't) quote danny elfman,

	I see them go to work
	I see them go to sleep
	I see them on tv
	I see them laugh and cry
	I'm on the outside (etc.)

does "New Ways of Thinking" = "Discussion is Meaningless"?
If you want it to be a free-association (sorry, that would put
a label on it and limit everything) balls out hyper creative
text orgy, then don't you have to accept whatever bullshit comes
through the pipe?

maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~robert holder~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~ robert@whiplash.er.usgs.gov  st petersburg florida usa ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~VISUALIZE MEAT PACKING~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From:         jprovo@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Salamander
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again Mr Holder sez something of interest...

From: Robert Holder <robert@WHIPLASH.ER.USGS.GOV>
>So if I understand your question, my answer is "Yes, if they are hypocrits
>or psychotic".  Maybe hypocrit is not the right word here, but I believe

hmmm, well, since I AM psychotic, I guess it's ok...

...or maybe someone should just say 'the UFO made me do it'
    or 'I was divinely inspired'
or 'because i wanted to'
    or 'i was under the influence of [bal blah blah]'
   or maybe since I'm solipsistic, I was just entertaining myself...

joe provo
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Subject:      Re: Reply to OH, BY THE WAY...
              13 Aug 1992 08:44:00 -05 from <ROLLIDE@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:44:00 -05 Dana Rollins said:
>Bullshit.
>I say let's kill this geek.
>Let's step on this fuck before it multiplies.
>Tonight.
>Under the full moon.

Well, I like that idea much better, if the truth be told.  Are you
by any chance seeking employment, Dana?  There's going to be quite
a bit of that kind of work to do in the coming days, and I expect
I'll farm some of it out, as I only have a certain number of
dress shirts.  I like the cut of your jib, boy- let's talk contract.
You'll supply your own munitions, of course.
Cuthbert
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From:         "Salamander~" <majcher@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: All Fnordians are Pluralists

cheating@ccvm.sunysb.edu (queue cue) writes:

[...lotsa stuff deleted...]

        Agreed.  :)

>I realize, in retrospect, that I should probably change the attr.
>part of the heading, else majcher in his beauty and noise won't
>read this as I occupy a special place in his kill file.

        Perish the thought!  That's the beauty of using nn...the only
things in my 'kill' file are people and topics that are automatically
_selected_...

>why in Erin's name, Salamander,
>would you want to move to Ireland?  I hope it's genealogical in
>nature and not some idle idolatry, cause RAW's wrong, as he so
>seldom is, on this one.  Unless you like piles of stone chips.

        Mostly genealogical...I'd actually forgotten about RAW's stint
in Ireland when I typed that bit in.  Sure, I've never been there, but
I've heard that it's nice to look at, at least, and it's a cozy little
launching point if I decide to poke around the continent...and tell me
just _what_ is wrong with piles of stone chips? :)

>Yrs in a rare instance of forced clarity, which really hurts as
>I've not gotten any sleep since Monday night, as, as I said I would,
>I've been waiting...

        And it is very much appreciated...
        "We're safe but for how long"

Salamander~
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