From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: re: comments from president of EC
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:25:50 -0600
Organization: Delco Electronics Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) (now from a new address) writes:

>    Who said his opinion is EC, but it's a interesting opinion
>    don't you agree...

True. And, as a matter of fact, despite your fury, I am quite
convinced that due to world apathy, Skopje-Macedonia will eventually
get recognized. If the world does not care about what is happening
in, say, Boznia (or south side Los Angeles for that), who cares?

Greeks have the right to bring it up to the world's attention that
the name is pilfered. If I were running Greece (famous last words)
I'd let them name themselves whatever they wanted, and place a couple
of batallions right on the border. As long as they keep quiet, 
let'em claim that the first person on the moon was Macedonian. The
momement they mention anything about the 'oppressed brothers' etc
the brigades go on alert; the higher the provocations, the higher the
state of alert. Then, we watch them sweat. 

National pride is one thing; interfering with another country's 
internal affairs is another. And, of course, keep trade and other
sanctions as long as the M's keep claiming what they claim. In a
couple of years we'll see if national pride is sufficient to feed
a population. If they're determined to go thru a couple of years
like that, then they've earned it :-). 

That's not the reason I responded, though.

>    Don't you think the world should know the Greek Governments
>    disruption on this issue?

So, the real issue is not really what the facts are, but rather, we
found something to piss off the Greeks, let's post it. Sounds like 
early-mutlu-and-the-greeks-abused-the-jews tales to me...

Would the world also like to know Turkiye's role in drug trade? human
rights abuses? the dozens of UN resolutions against it for the Cyprus
events? the Kurdish issue? the Armenian genocide? its 'brave' role in
WW2 supplying everything to the Nazis? 

>        Where did you get this Smokin Spiro, Hanoum? 
>        If i would show my "p" then you wouldn't believe your
>        eyes...

Typical sexually deprived Turkish reaction, like your pal the
imaginary Mr. Bozkurt.... If you still desire to display exhibitionist
behavior and show us your "p", I'm sure your pal Mr. Cosar could post
a few MORE gif's in the appropriate news groups... (how's mn.org, Ahmet?)

(apologies for the error, btw.) 

> |>care... Netherlands is NOT Denmark 
>        Ohhh i didn't know that, the time to reach
>        Denmark is 30 min from my place...

So why didn't you post in soc.culture.{finland iceland norway
baltics}, Hilmi Effendi? All are within '30 mins from your place'...
  
>   The refugees of "Soviet" will be in every EC-country
>   in few years. Don't you think they should also know the Macedonian
>   issue since they will live in EC-countries?

One's knowledge of an issue, despite efforts by various organizations
and/or individuals, is not formed by what they see on the net. Most
people can think for themselves and don't need the net's help
in order to form opinions. Can you think for yourself?

I can imagine the thousands of "refugees" of "Soviet" (sic) reading
news in refugee camps in Germany (or Sweeden) all reading news...
(with equipment donated by Digital, right :-) And suddendly (imagine
Yakov Smirnof (famous Soviet born US comedian)) (and apologies for
fake Soviet accent from our soc.culture.soviet friends!) this dialog:

reader	LOOK AT ALL ZHE STAF POOSTED IN SOC-KULTUR-SOOVIET
#1	ABAUT MACEDOONIA. GREEKSKAYA POZITION IZ ANACCEPTABUL TO 
	MOUDERN WOORLD. ZE MUZT REKOGNIZ MACEDOONIA IMMIZIATELY!

reader	DA, DA. ZE MUUST AAL EE-MAIL HIIILMI ERRREN IN ZWEEDEN AND
#2	THANX HIM FOR HIZ EFORTZ TO PROVIDE PRAVDA (truth) ABOUD
	MACEDONIA.

reader	DA, DA. LOOK AT ZE ZIZE OF HIZ "PEE-PEE". HE EVEN BRAGZ ABUT
#3	IT ON DE NET! 

reader	VHAT VOULD VE DO IF HIIILMI ERRREN OF ZWEEDEN DID NOT POST
#4	THE NEWWZ?? DID ZOU KNOW ZHAT TURKIYE IZ IN 'EC' NOWZ?

>|> and sure as hell Mother Turkiye is not in
>|>the EC. (as in 'when hell freezes over')

>	Turkey is in the EC through the Trojan-"AT" since ages...

So when does your Prime Minister become EC Chair for a term? (nice try)

> |>By the way, I am pro-Danish. They make the best ^%#$%^ furniture
> |>I've ever seen, and have a houseful of it to prove it. Their cheese
> |>sucks though.

>         That furniture seller is IKEA a Swedish company, soon the
>         largest in the USA market... 

IKEA's stuff is mostly the put-it-together-yourself for teenagers,
students, and the newly employed.. I'm talking the real stuff, i.e.
solid teak wood and the such. Next time you're ready to spend a couple
of months' salary on a living room set, let me know (only the finest...)

>What will Smoking Spiros do when EC forbidds
> smoking in most common places?

Celebrate? (Spiros is allergic to smoke)

Spiros
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(arguments with furniture are hardly productive (Douglas Adams))