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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:27:39 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: List Wars, The Saga
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Did I misread, or was that a piece of private mail that was forwarded
to the list?  (I'm way behind in mail right now.)  If so, I hope it was
forwarded with the permission of the original sender.  Forwarding private
mail to anybody else, list or individual, without permission is a *very*
big Net-NoNo -- as well as a violation of general decency.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:48:54 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Geekefaction

*** Resending note of 08/20/92 11:37

>.........................................and that one or two computer
>programmers do NOT entirely subsist on a diet of Twinkies and Cokes.

Way to tell them Dan!  I quite often substitute chocolate chip cookies and/or
diet Pepsi!

Don, last of the pioneering geek/nerds!
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:22:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Giggles' News
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> I don't think Giggles was in Cancun at all.  My spies didn't see him
> there...
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Ongwray!!!!   They saw me and I saw them.... they had little
Mississippi AATSP badges and t-shirts that said "En Mississippi
somos bilinguississippis joder!"   I couldn't believe my eyes
and I just said.... "Como anda Natalie?"
--ggs
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:20:37 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Geekefaction
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              Aug 20, 92 8:06 pm

>
> >Entropy warrier accuses-abh:
> >
> >>Victim again of inductive fallusy
> >
> >Shouldn't that have two 's's, to be properly gender-balanced?
> >--bayla
>
> No accusation--*I* was the putative victim--there seems to be an
> assumption that posts are accusatory if they aren't smothered in
> kisses.
>
> And I don't know about the two s's.  Maybe I'm being dense.
> Might check the ph balance though.
>
> -Mka
>
If it was good enough for "Octop" -it  should be good enough for
"Fall" - U - with or without ph-balance...

Better go - Mr. PotatoeHead is about to put his foot in it...er... make
his speech...
Agnes
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:49:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: RE: Gender
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> 2) This is *blatant* feminist plagiarism, comes <directly> from
> post by -ggs with sufficient attribution.  Where's Aaron?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> --ggs (very sensitive because never published Ph.D under his own
>        name...)

Make that "posts by -ggs without sufficient attribution.
Just shows that he is still so upset he can't <think straight>
Harrumphhhh.
--ggs
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:28:09 CDT
From:         Absolut Bandwidth <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: 2 X 4
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>Weak isn't the word.  Does that make Le Pig a drunk stiff?

You know what Le Pig thinks? That Ausbrook and Gubert ought to elope and spend
the rest of their lives exploring SNA.

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:37:57 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gender

>I agree.  But isn't the choice of "she" to go with "woman" a "grammatical
>consequence in the production of a correct sentence"?  Just as I might
>reveal myself as a non-fluent speaker of French by saying "La femme est
>heureux," so might someone reveal him/herself as a non-fluent speaker of
>English by saying, "The man bought itself a car."

Interesting question here.  Is the last a booboo because of grammatical
gender?  I think not.  English, as I think I was saying, marks
nouns for sex.  The only proof I would offer is that there is
nothing from the *forms* of the words that makes it wrong.  You
have to know what "man" means for it to be wrong.  It's a lexical
mistake, not a grammatical one.  Its only wrong because men are
men and "its" don't have what it takes and "it" refers here to a
man.
     Sure, you'd still be recognized as non-fluent, but the
nature of the mistake, maybe, is significantly different--having
to do with the way English speakers talk about the world and not
the forms they employ to do it.  So maybe you're right about
English having 'natural gender.'  That is to say, it doesn't have
gender at all, but sex.

[Apropos of nothing:   On the other hand what about "the baby
drank *its* bottle"? "His" or "her" would be equally "correct."]

>reactions to the thought.  After all, if accusative case still existed
>in English nouns, even though the inflectional markings of it are gone,
>presumably grammatical gender would still exist also.

I dunno.  Is there any reason that there couldn't be a sort of
universal marking for accusative without grammatical gender?  I
mean verbs get marked for the past with "-ed" (usually) without
resorting to gender distinctions.  The English genitive doesn't
have gender distinctions . . .

>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>     who should NOT be online again...
>     and who really thinks that porpoises know much more about language
>     than we do...

Absolutley

Porpoisefully
--Mka

Killing yourself because philosophy has nothing to do with real
life is like killing yourself because you can't play a tune on a
carrot.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:18:21 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Self-correcting (why not try proofing?)
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> > Hi, Don, it's good to see you are back.  The lateness of my welcome does
> > not diminish its sincerity in the least, it is just that I had to *go back
 to
> > work* today and no longer get to login until evening.  School starts
>                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  in the daytime and have to wait until evening.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Ruth!!! Get busy on the head; I need it back!!!
> Doris

That's all right, Doris, it was a *very* long day at school...I didn't get
home until 8:45, and with the temptation of a visiting grandchild to play
with, didn't make a dent in my mail...I think that was the first time I've
gone to bed with 188 messages unread.
ndh (who fears it will be an even longer day today)
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM! 
Distribution: world
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:20:33 +0000


> This leads to the classic joke about how to tell if somebody is
> a computer geek - ask them to count to ten with their fingers and
> see if they need more than one hand.
> --karsten

Hey - great joke!  Almost as funny as when I heard it yesterday
on rec.humour.funny...

G
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:29:22 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: gonadological oppression
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> etc., *presumes* a knowledge, understanding of that group you have
> previously posited to be impossible without being a member.  You are

I don't think anyone said understanding is impossible; I believe
the point was *identification* w/ a group.  And many people feel
this is impossible w/out being a member of that group.

Karen
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:21:07 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Music lists

Does anyone know of any New Age music lists on listserv?
Thanks in advance.

Evelyn
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Birthday Remembered
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:46:41 GMT


In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>On this day, in 1587, on Roanoke Island, the first child was born in the
>United States to English settlers.  I would assume Virginia Dare lived
>less than three years, because by 1590 there was no trace of that first
>colony.

I've always heard that theer's a fair chance she was adopted by the local
indians.[Native Americans] [Aborigines] <whatever>.  If that was the case,
she might have lived a long time.  The next settlement in Jamestown wasn't
started until 1607, and I don't think it was very close by....

"Whatever Happened to Virginia Dare"......

>
-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:42:21 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: To Architect
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:43:57 GMT, "karsten" <karsten@NETCOM.COM> wrote:
> If all three tasks are being performed we might say that Bill is
> architecting the floating point chip, Sue is designing the adder
> and Chris is laying out the register bank.

Well, in the case of Acorn, Steve & Roger did all three.  But then the
only good CPUs are the ones designed by software guys...

> All three are separate professions.  Engineers rarely perform more than
> one of these tasks due to the different specialized knowledge and
> experience necessary to do a good job for each of them.

Not true.

G
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:04:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really...
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Yes Lob the gibmeister proclaims that you got it <exactly right> and
is glad you are with us again in spite of your occasional <lapses of
good taste in the nicest way possible> and is also trying to remember
*who* called you an *sshole and why and is also hoping that it was
not <he himself>......
Actually, I did call someone an *sshole, but that was on NUTS and the
guy deserved it even being as he is from North Carolina ohmygod!
My tc is certain that when I say I am <doing my work> that means that
I am reading words-l.  She could be right but it's not for me to say.
--ggs
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:29:31 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The sole of a new machine
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> 	To quote Marcy, you're weird, sir.  You can keep vi, for preference
> in a nice deep hole some place in New Mexico.:-)If the arrow keys don't
> work, I don't use it.....<ecch>  Too much DECVAX in my blood....

The arrow keys work fine on vi.

> >That's right!  I saved all that info somewhere in my Ra-Stuff/ directory
> >to look at when I had time.  Then I forgot...
> How much memory do they give you down there?  Besides not enough?

The automatic allotment is 15 meg.  (Did I use the right abbreviation
there?)  It's possible to get more space if you need it.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:04:28 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars

>>Can you translate pls?
>
>It's a cyberspace thing, relax and you'll get used to it.

Watch out, Agnes.  When Le Pig says relax, it's time to reach for
the asbestos long-johns.

-Mka
Coming out of the entropy storm nicely, thank you.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:29:10 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      The Doors
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> Well - the comments on this list are the first time I have *ever* heard
> any woman say anything positive about The Doors.  The usual reaction

Well, I think it's clear that The Doors were not feminists.
But I don't really care.  I like their music.  I wonder if
it has to do w/ the age of the women you asked before.

My little brother the chef started listening to them when he was
in high school.  Hmm...that was right before *he* flunked out
of college.  And my nephew just flunked out!  What a great
family tradition we have!!!!

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:36:39 CDT
From:         Absolut Bandwidth <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars
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>Can you translate pls?

It's a cyberspace thing, relax and you'll get used to it.

-abh
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:25:50 EDT
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Comments:     Originally-From: Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner
              <mcmahan@CS.UNCA.EDU>
From:         GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      What do you call...

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
What do you call yourself *between* semesters? If one was a
sophomore last spring semester, and will be a junior next semester,
whe people ask you during the summer what you are, what is the
correct answer? :)

This has always bothered me... (throw in summer classes and what
does it become?)

Scott
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the typical usages is "rising junior" for those about to enroll
as juniors; it could easily be extended to rising soph, etc.  You still
have to deal with establishing the criteria for membership in each of
the categories, but being "on the cusp"is less of a problem than the
arbitrary decision of what constitutes a "Second year" student.

JAG
^bwp
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:32:25 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Leave/let
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> we'd say but we use leave in contexts that Englishmen wouldn't.  As in
> 'Leave/Let him be!'

I'm not Scots, but I'd say 'leave him be'.As in 'leave me be,
I'm too cranky to talk to'.

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:31:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: List Wars II
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> >I'd rather have dead periods than teh amazing amount of rubbish on other
> >groups/lists...
> >chris
>
> Get on it, abh.
> -Mka

What makes you think she (he?) was including us among those rubbishy lists?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:30:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      WHTMIQR5
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What Happened To Me In Quintana Roo 5
-----------------------------------------
19) tc, still smarting from seeing the woman-she-particularly-
dislikes, decides to read her novels in room (no I am not hungry
why should I be hungry are you hungry well go get something to
eat why shouldnt you get something to eat if you are hungry) so
ggs explores the hotel grounds and ends up in restaurant to eat
an El Cubano sandwich which is only mildly good and costs $8,
since this is a city invented by the Chamber of Commerce and
five miles from the nearest center of activity where one could
get a sandwich for $6....  (that's 18,000 pesos....)
20) Get a call from some lovely lady in the lobby who wants
to welcome us to the hotel and invite us to breakfast or lunch
in the hotel Dining Room and have the opportunity to "introduce
us to the things the hotel has to offer so we will tell all our
friends to come here too..."  ggs, being somewhat naive, thinks
"how nice".....  tc thinks.... what are they going to try to sell
us?  But, remembering that we never paid for a breakfast in Ixtapa,
just went to timeshare presentations every day and got free meals
which cost us no more than a thank you very much I am not I say I
am not f*cking interested (belch), decided it would be fun.
21)  Went to the breakfast, which was indeed lavish, and the salesman
sort of fun, though he really got out of line by talking to me about
how men and women dont understand each other and he doesnt understand
his girlfriend, like, she was so sweet before they moved in together,
all this in front of my tc/sw, who was irritated while I was amused,
and then they passed us over to some sleezy person who kept joking
about what a crook I thought he was and I just looked at him and
said, "No deal I say no deal thanks for the meal...."  Fun time.
22)  Went to convention hotel to find no one at the registration
desk and only two or three colleagues that I knew, most of whom
were very nice to tc/sw, who was a little hesitant to be cordial
but later agreed they were pleasant, then decided to engage the
convention travel agent to plan a tour to see some Mayan ruins...
Agent, who spoke broken English, told us that we really should
go to Chichen Itza, which he kept pronouncing "Chicken Pizza" and
laughing and winking (this to a person --ggs-- who had identified
himself as a specialist in Hispanic culture)....  We moved on to
the next travel agent....
23) Made plans for trip to Taluma and Xel-Ha, combination mayan
ruins and paradise park with snorkeling and swimming....  Then
caught city bus for nearest shopping mall, which was just like
being in the good old U. S. of A.   Great fun, seeing Denny's and
McDonalds and pretending that all this was happening to someone
else....
----------------------
-ggs (more directly, this thing just wont die......)
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:30:33 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Adam, List Honey
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I'll second all the wonderful things that everyone is saying
about Adam (or third or fourth if necessary!).  That and Anne's
mention of Usenet made me think perhaps it's about time for
alt.fan.adam or alt.fan.the-hartfie or alt.fan.list-honey or....

Karen
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:25:18 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Self-correcting (why not try proofing?)
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              14 Aug 1992 17:10:07 LCL from <haycock@MARLEY.THINK.COM>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:10:07 LCL Anne Haycock said:
>What?  Refresh my memory here...I was in the Cherry Creek school system
>from 6th to 11th grade ('74-'80) and at CU-Boulder '81-'86..."Hunting

   Ohhhh....well, Cherry Creek folks probably were too rich to gohunting,
at least other than in Tibet or Africa.  Right?  8-)

>At CU we had a short T-Day weekend and I'm think we had a Fall Break in
>there somewhere, but I think it was nearer the middle of October, right

   Bet that was the hunting vacation, whether called that or not.

>But who knows...those dayz are behind me now...all I care is that it's
>5:08pm on a Friday afternoon and it's time to blaze outta here!

   ok....have a good weekend....which i can tell you're already having.

dan  (who shoulda known better than to say ALL)
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 07:10:27 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: when did in become on
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> I forgot to say in my last posting that Nancy was obviously a very good
> mother, warning her young daughter to avoid Yankeeisms.  Parental "correction"
> of children's speech is futile in many cases.  Attaching the dreaded work
> "Yankee," however, would surely catch the attention and the fear of a child.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yes, well..we have to remember this was south Alabama in the early 1970s.
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:28:26 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: E-mail obits
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> I'd notice by noon, Natalie.

Thank you, Mka!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:19:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Something interesting
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> First time you ever came out smelling like a rose, eh Giggles?
>
> --
> Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, hath enscribed herein, a message

After a day in the jungles of Quintana Roo, I smelled like a rose
nobody around here ever smelled, that's for <darn> sure.
I hear by the <grapevine> that I was hardly missed because *somebody*
named <Ruth> kept everyone busy in my absence.  Well I never!
--ggs (back, with teeth flossed, ready to talk...)
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:18:09 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      moving on
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Hi everybody!

I'm leaving Paris for Strasbourg today. I'll
be back Saturday. Everyone be well!

love, judith
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:06:48 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Internet outage

Rollover done...going home.  Hi yourself Dan.  Bye all.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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