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From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do kids need to see this?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:36:16 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Sep28.170840.26732@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <66638@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>
>[This was from me, Reid Kneeland:]
>>> The government has no business controlling what TV stations broadcast,
>>> whether it's political, obscene, or both.  This applies to the forced
>
>>The government has plenty of business controlling TV stations, since the
>>electromagnetic spectrum is a public resource.  It's not like, say,
>>newspapers, where anyone with money can start one.  Contrast this to
>>TV, where you can't just go out and start a station, since there is no
>>room in the spectrum for it.
>
>It's the parents' job to decide what kids do or don't see on TV, not
>the government's.


This whole discussion has appalled me !  
Surely its the station's job to make sure that everything shown in
a children's slot is suitable viewing for children.

In this country, we have a
9pm "watershed".  Before 9pm it is assumed that children may have
unsupervised access to TV, so there are rules about violence, obcenity
and bad language.  These apply to the News, Party Political
Broadcasts, everything.  After 9pm it is assumed that children will be
in bed or supervised.  Some programmes still have to be prefaced by a
warning.  For example the episode of Twin Peaks when Maddy was killed
was prefaced by an anouncer saying "this programme contains violent
scenes which some viewers may find disturbing".  If the News contains
an item about famine or something, a similar warning is given before
the report.  If it is before 9pm, the report may be cut, and the
reporter may say "we'll be showing a fuller version of that report in
our 9 o'clock edition".

From the description of the abortion broadcast, it would not be shown
in this county at all.  If it were shown, it would be as part of 
a documentary, and would definately be prefaced by a warning.  
There is no way such material would ever get on before 9pm.

I think that if a TV station has a children's slot then all material
in that slot (including ads, political broadcasts etc.) should be
suitable for unsupervised viewing by children of the age the
programmes are aimed at.  If a station is this country did such a
thing I would
 
1. Write letters of complaint to the station, my M.P., the minister
for arts, and anyone else I could think of.

2. Ban the watching of that station in my household until I got a
written appology and an assurance it would never happen again.

I would probably write to the press as well.

Just a different cultural view !

Alison
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episiotomy and Canadian study
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:19:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: gap.1adcm8INNqkh
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Sep30.142821.23379@sq.com> barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:
>
>Wow! Ow!  I also had a forceps delivery and an episiotomy (how many stitches
>I asked?  You don't want to know, she answered. Consider it just one big
>long stitch, she suggested. My husband, who was watching, thought that would
>be best too. 8-[ )....BUT...I had an epidural.  In fact, my Doctor said
>forceps delivery was never undertaken without an epidural....at least in the
>hospital where I gave birth.   So.....two hours of pushing.....baby's heart

One of my 3 deliveries was with what was termed a "low foreceps assist".
No epidural, but they did give me an internal injection (Novacaine?  Or
something similar?  I don't remember the details).  Maybe the amount
of medication required depends on whether it's a low- or mid-level
foreceps delivery.  I do remember reading one delivery account from
a woman who had an emergency foreceps assist with no time for any
medication--she passed out from pain.  Shudder.

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birthday Ideas (in need of)
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:41:28 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


Blowing bubbles goes over very well for all ages.  We have a real collection
of bubble blowers, and I haul them all out (this even works for 6 and 10
year olds).  Bonus - the bubble solution recipe:

10 cups water
1 cup liquid dish detergent (Joy or Dawn work best)
1/4 cup glycerin (found in the pharmacy department, around hand creams)


Don't stir up so hard as to get foam (stir gently).
--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"Second star on the right and straight on till morning" - Barrie, Pan, Kirk
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Do kids need to see this?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 04:59:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep24.202716.5798@ttinews.tti.com>

Given that the station must accept political ads, are they also required to
run them at the time desired by the organization placing the ad, or could they
at least move them to, say, after 9 PM or so?

> The government has no business controlling what TV stations broadcast,
> whether it's political, obscene, or both.  This applies to the forced

The government has plenty of business controlling TV stations, since the
electromagnetic spectrum is a public resource.  It's not like, say,
newspapers, where anyone with money can start one.  Contrast this to
TV, where you can't just go out and start a station, since there is no
room in the spectrum for it.

--Tim Smith
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 08:54:14 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?

	My new neighbors have an 8yo blonde daughter than my 2.5yo sons
*loves*.  I had her over for dinner a few weeks ago.  I served RJ, then
set the bowls in front of her, not quite knowing what to do for an 8yo.
 So I asked if she could get it herself otr if she'd like me to serve
her.  She asked tat I please do it for her, so I did.  then, as I was
eating, I eralized that I had just become a neighborhood Mom, having
kids over for dinner.  I really think that did it for me.
From: fsacp@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things that happen with baby-Swings!
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:40:56 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Hi,
  I know I haven't posted in a while.  I have a funny story
about our Graco Swyngomatic windup swing!  A friend got this
for Aaron, well the first motor worked for a total of 2 days,
so we called their 1-800 # and told them about it, they said
ok we'll send you another motor, 3 days later we get the new motor,
Art puts it on the swing and we put Aaron in it and it ended up working for a
total of 10 days and the winding mechanism wouldn't wind. So I went to call
Graco again, well it took me a day and a half to reach them, I told them what
happened and the shipped another motor up, mind you this was at THEIR expense!
We got that motor 3 days later and it worked for 2 days and wouldn't unwind!
Back to the phone, they sent us yet another motor, which we got 3 days later,
and it worked for 20 minutes!
  Well Art called them again, and they woman asked him if we had ordered
before, and he said yes, she looked us up on the computer, and saw how many
motors had already been sent to us, so she said to Art "I don't care what the
company says, I'm sending you a BATTERY operated motor, because there seems to
be something wrong with the mechanism.
  Well we got the motor this morning, and I told the UPS guy what it was
and he said "Yeah I figured that was what it was, I told him they had sent a
battery operated one, he said I hope it works this time, I feel sorry for your
son!"

  Through this all, Graco has been very pleasent and helpful, we figured
they've spent between 70 and 80 dollars on us in shipping and sending us this
particular motor because it's a more expensive motor!

If anyone has had a similar experience with the Swyngomatic silent wind-up
model, please let me know, because I'm starting to think it's just us!
Jay
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:44:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.135847.24116@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan "Don't Confuse Me with Facts" Yasutovich) writes:
>	Parents unite!  Keep your kids duely drugged and sedated.

Ignorance is bliss...

>	Just don't complain when they become teenagers and continue
>	the habit.

They don't.

>	Heck  I used to joke about giving my daughter a sleeping pill
>	to calm her down.

This would just as likely cause excitement, exacerbating the problem.
You know, like your so-called example of orange juice, only real.

>	I never thought a bunch of people would
>	sanction it through teh medical community.

Ritalin is not a sleeping pill.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sara Maxwell)
Subject: table corner guards??
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:30:29 GMT

I have heard that they make some sort of cover or guard that you can put
on sharp table corners etc so little toddlers do not whap their heads.
What are these things called?  Does anyone know where to buy them?
(Hardware stores, kiddy stores??)

Thanks for any info---

Sara
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Washing Diapers with Tide
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:59:22 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep28.220500.9234@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>

I have used either Ultra Tide or Arm and Hammer from the very beginning
with my son and will continue with my next child (could arrive any day,
but hopefully not for another 2  or 3 weeks). For the first few
months, I washed his clothes generally separate from the adult laundry
(except nursing bras, etc) and double rinsed them. I've always used vinegar
as you would fabric softener and did and do so for his clothes. 

I know I read in one book, may be what to expect... , that special
soaps or detergents are not needed. Since I am confined to bed, I can's
search for the reference. I come from a family of sensitive skinned
people and Russell didn't have any problems.

I didn't start washing diapers myself until he was about 4 months old.
Again I haven't had any trouble with the general household detergent-
generally Tide.

Carol
From: af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: How to get son more career-minded? :-) :-)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:09:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

My seven year old son told me the other morning when he was going out of
the door for school that "I am going to stay home with my children when
I grow up."  I asked him "Who is going to make money then?"  He replied
"My wife."

I think he said that because he wanted me to stay home with him and his
brother.  A couple his other "when I grow up" lines are "I'm going to
buy one Nintendo each for my children." and "I'm going to let my
children eat all the candy they want."

So far his most serious career goal was to become a computer game writer.

Wendy Lin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Heart Murmur in Infants
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:58:53 GMT

MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher) (I think) writes:
>
>When we took our new daughter, Shannon, for her 4-week checkup, the doctor
>detected a heart murmur, which he said was likely caused by a small hole in the
>heart. ...
>Anyone else have experience with this?


In article <1992Sep30.205455.28926@cbfsb.cb.att.com> gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky) writes:
>The pediatric cardiologist said the only risk
>to her at all is if and when she has dental surgery.  Because of
>the nature of dental surgery, she would have to go on antibiotics
>(no, I don't understand this, but your doctor or doctors could try
>to explain it to you).

My husband has (had?) a heart murmur --  otherwise known as a mitral
valve prolapse.  Every time he goes to the dentist he has to take
antibiotics, even to get his teeth cleaned.  So it is not just dental
surgery.  Anyway, apparently the problem is that the teeth cleaning 
dislodges bacteria from your teeth (I think it is staph bacteria, but
I'm not at all sure).  Anyway, when a person has a mitral valve prolapse,
these bacteria apparently can get into the heart more easily, where
they can cause a (possibly) fatal infection.

>On the other hand, Adrienne's pediatric
>cardiologist HAS told me some horror stories about health and life 
>insurance companies refusing to carry someone with a heart murmur.

We have never had a problem getting him health insurance.  And his heart
murmur is on the record.

-- Misty

Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Keywords: ** PLEASE READ IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!! **
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:35:14 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

What the original poster described is called "clitorectomy". It
is rarely done on infants or toddlers, so it should not be an issue
in adoption. (If you want to adopt an older child, then you are rare
birds indeed. My complements, but such a child would face additional
unusual and difficult issues outside of her original culture, in
addition to the usual traumas of maturing sexuality.)

The second poster is sadly mistaken in equating circumcision with
clitorectomy. The equivalent operation in the male would be to
amputate the penis and peel off some of the scrotum. "Good for
the gander", my ass.
From: day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Last week was certainly eventful!
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:49:30 GMT

Must be the hormones again!  
I was minding my own business, travelling in the commuter 
lane (with my son in the car with me), no cars in front of
me (at least for a mile or two), same behind me.  The other
lanes were, of course, stop and go!  All of a sudden, a woman
from the non-commuter lane decides she HAS TO BE IN THE
COMMUTER LANE *NOW*!  She must have been going 10 MPH
when she decided to change lanes, and I was going about 45MPH.
Needless to say, I slammed on brakes and went right into the
back of her car.  Luckily, everyone was buckled up and my 
35WO lump had the seatbelt positioned correctly.  It scared
the @#$! out of me, though.  My son was fine in his approved
carseat - just startled.  The people in the other car were fine
(well, the driver has since developed a neck problem!).  Minor
damage to both cars.

Then this Saturday, I had to pleasure of spending the afternoon
in Good Sam's LDR room with false labor (unrelated to the 
accident).  I had contractions 5 minutes apart for 2 hours,
then 4 minutes apart for an hour or so.  I was 3CM dialated.
The doctor decided to try to hydrate me just in case it wasn't
the real thing.  Two 500cc bags later, they sent me home!
I always thought false labor only happened to first timers who
didn't know what was going on?  I was sure this was it!  But,
I'm quite happy to have the baby wait until closer to due date
afterall.  We were at the hospital about 5 hours altogether -
gave me a chance to finish a good book ;-)!

The experience was good though.  Since I wasn't in actual
labor, I have a few things to discuss with my doctor for the
real day - like, I don't want to stay hooked up to the monitor
the whole time, I want to walk around (they were going to 
keep me there until I delivered!); I want
more than just ice chips for the duration;  I don't want an
IV unless I'm dehydrated (which I was Sat.).  This is in 
addition to all my other demands ;-)!

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
day_kevran@tandem.com
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct1.165838.13614@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes...
>In article <1992Sep30.221639.3826@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J.
>Johnsen) writes:
> 
>   > The football coaching position in Monroe, Oregon was held for
>   > many years by a man named Richard Head.  He insisted on
>   > Richard.  Didn't get it too often, though.
> 
>On a similar note, a roommate of mine who was going for his Masters in
>English at the time, told me that during his time at the university he had
>had professors Fallis, Cox, and Hardin.
> 

I knew a man named Harry Peter.  He supervised a large clerical 
staff and was not well-liked, so making fun of his name was a 
common giggle.

- Peggy -
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Episiotomy/tears: Jerusalem study, etc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:16:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London


     [This is from the Independent on Sunday, 26 May 1991.]


               Tissue Adhesive Eases Birth Pain
               ================================

                      By Sharon Kingman
                     Health Correspondent


The pain of childbirth will be eased by a new method of repairing
cuts and tears which does away with the need for stitches in the
skin.

About half of all women having normal deliveries need stitches,
either because they have an episiotomy [...] or because they suffer
a tear. [...]

But researchers in Jerusalem have discovered that women who have the
edges of the wounds stuck together with tissue adhesive instead of
stitches experience far less pain.

The researchers, from Hadasah University, closed the wounds of 20
women by suturing the lower layers and then bringing together the
dry edges of the cut, to which they had applied a tissue adhesive
called Histoacryl. In a report in the British Journal of Obstetrics
and Gynaecology, they conclude: "The use of Histoacryl dramatically
reduced the pain and discomfort encountered in every-day activities
after episiotomy repair."

Adrian Grant, director of the perinatal trials service at the
Radcliffe Infirmary, Oxford, says the method is potentially
important. "Pain and discomfort from trauma in this area is very
common after childbirth. So any change in management which might
improve things even slightly would be very important because it
would affect such large numbers of women."

Research into the best way of mending episiotomies and tears had
been neglected, he said, considering that an estimated 1,000
women a day in England and Wales are likely to need such repairs.

[...]

One of Dr. Grant's studies, involving more than 500 women, showed
that those who were stitched with glycerol-impregnated chromic
catgut, which is easier to use, were more likely to report that
sexual intercourse was painful three years after the birth, than
women whose tears and cuts had been repaired with untreated
catgut.

This study concluded: "Judged on this trial, there is no place for
glycerol-impregnated chromic catgut in the repair of perineal
wounds."

Yet, Dr. Grant says: "We know anecdotally that it is still used
quite widely."

[End of article.]
--
Angus H. Rodgers  (PhD student), | arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk  
Dept. of Computer Science, Queen | [ +44 | 0 ] 71 975 5241   
Mary & Westfield College,  Mile  | This space has not been left blank,
End Rd., London E1 4NS, England  | intentionally or otherwise.
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get son more career-minded? :-) :-)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 20:40:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) says:

>
>In article <BvCqFx.JpK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin) writes:
>>My seven year old son told me the other morning when he was going out of
>>the door for school that "I am going to stay home with my children when
>>I grow up."  I asked him "Who is going to make money then?"  He replied
>>"My wife."
>>
>>
>>So far his most serious career goal was to become a computer game writer.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So, am I the only person on the net who thinks that staying home with
>his kids has more value than writing computer games for a living????
>The little voice inside me that keeps saying I made a very poor career
>choice for myself this time around keeps growing louder and louder....

     I think a lot of parents, just because of their love and devotion
top their children, would stay at home if they could - I know  would.
I also know that won't be much of an option, especially if I don't get
married!  I'd still like to adopt, as long as my mom and dad can watch
a kid, but I have to work, too.  I thik working as a lawyer is very
valuable, and I plan to open my own office to allow me to set my own
hours. (I'll do stuff like wills, trusts, etc. - "easy" stuff that won't
require 12 hours a dayin a law library.)
     Who's to say, though - if I met a woman I really liked and fell in
love, and she wanted to work, I would be happy staying at home or, more
likely, working a day or 2 a week until they're in grade school.  I think
society undervalues the cost and reward of raising children *very* much.
But, that figures, since we were able to get Manhattan Island from the
natives for $24 in trinkets.  We didn't care what the land really meant
to them then, and the powers that be often don't care what things like
family mean to people now.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: brigid@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Query: words of riddle
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:00:28 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

I'm looking for the words to a riddle I remember vaguely
from my childhood, the answer to which is 'An Egg'. It
starts something like:

In marble halls without a door,
Lined with a skin as soft as silk,

and continues with:

No thief can enter in,

and something about a heart of gold.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Brigid
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