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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Active Hearing Protectors (eg. "silencio" )
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:36:04 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

mtxinu!sybase!bulldog!joe@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph Weinstein) writes:


#My gunshop will give me a deal on some Silencio electronic
#hearing protectors. What are the best brands? Is this one
#any good? 

I have the Silencio ones.  I'm quite satisfied with them.  Be sure
to get the stereo ones.  Sometimes you see the mono ones sold
as "bargans".  They work but you get no indication of a sound's source.

One nifty feature is you can stand around and hear conversations 
going on several stalls away.  

John
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From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Transporting guns on planes
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:17 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Dec13.202635.24750@yenta.alb.nm.us> mailrus!gatech!unmvax!bbx!yenta!ben@uunet.UU.NET (Ben Klausner) writes:
#wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes:
#
##get a copy of the respective NRA "Your state firearm laws" for
##a "look for myself." The NRA pamphlets are now available electronically
##from the NRA Bulletin Board.
#
#What is the number for the NRA BBS? Thanks.
#

The NRA-ILA BBS is available at 1-703-719-6406. There's a $15 charge
at registration (you can bill to a credit card or have them bill you).



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From: Sproul@sproul.sproul.com (Mark Sproul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Legal Age for Gun Ownership in New Jersey
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:54:28 GMT
Organization: Sproul Consulting



In article <199212120513.AA89569@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> (rec.guns), dhm1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL HILL MCCAULEY) writes:
# 
#     Does anyone know the legal age for owning shotgun in New Jersey.  Thanks
# 
# 
#                                 -Dan
 
Age of ownership is a federal mandate, not a state law.

Long guns 18 years old
Hand guns 21 years old

-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Sproul - KB2ICI - New Jersey
sproul@sproul.com
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the car
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:20:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <9212160345.AA01467@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@hpvclmun.vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
#
#I agree that prevention is the best course.  Still, for those that do carry
#a gun in their car, with the feeling that they might really need it, would
#you have it:
#
#	- out in the open on the passenger seat?

A *very* bad idea, in my opinion, since it not only attracts attention, but
makes it easy for someone else to get to first...

#	- on the passenger seat, under a coat?

This is okay, but the gun won't necessarily be available immediately if you're
told to get out of your car at gunpoint

#	- under the drivers seat?
#
#	- in the glovebox?

Too hard to get to in a rush...

#	- other?

It seems to me the best place to have the gun is on your person.  That way, if
you're forced out of the car at gunpoint, you've got your weapon, right now.
If the perp jumps in the passenger door, you don't have to worry about him
sitting on your gun and discovering it.  It seems to me that you would want to
have the gun as near at hand as possible, but this does introduce a problem
when you get out to get gas or whatever, if you don't have a license to carry.


-- 
DVC,
  Paul
From: Ray.Keefer@EBay.Sun.COM (Ray Keefer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: More newbie questions
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:19:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


Just a personal opinion, but I have been to Tri-City (I live in 
Fremont). Tri-City bills itself as the worlds largest sporting 
goods store. It may have the squarefootage but I doubt it is the best. 

Here are some reasons:

	1. I needed to replace a broken globe on a Primus 
           propane latern. I had purchased the latern at Tri-City. 
           They were out, the floorsperson wouldn't check in 
           back (he was sure their whole stock was out), and the 
           floorsperson knew some were on order
	   but had no idea when they would get in or how to find out
	   when they whould get in.

	2. I needed a handle to an old Zebco (sp?) fishing reel. 
           They do not carry parts.

	3. They ran out of archery targets, said it would take a 
           month to get some in.

	4. They sell the RCBS Rock Chucker Kit for $259.95 and 
           the RCBS Rock Chucker press for $99.95 (I know 
           because I have been looking at the Rock Chucker:).
           I have seen better prices locally.

	5. The only thing in the way of military surplus is 
           Chinese ammo. That's probably only because the SKS
	   rifles are so popular now. I don't recall seeing
	   any there six months ago.

Tri-City is OK for mass produced, consumer sporting goods that they
are pushing. The guy who tried to sell me a Rock Chucker was
knowledgible because he reloads himself. But overall I don't
like the store to much.

Regards,
Ray
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home (UPDATE!)
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:31 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <9212151312.AA15068@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:

}... What she wants me to get is a Bio-Scan safe - the kind that
}scans your fingerprints.  I found their ad, which states that they
}start at $157.95.  The maker is Bedford Technologies.
}
}Does anyone have more info on these safes?

I've seen one demonstrated.  They do _not_ scan your fingerprints.  When
you insert your hands on either side your fingers contact two switches
each.  You can set the safe to open for any given combination of switches.
You can also set a maximum retry count.  Retries are displayed by a 7
segment LED counter on the front.  If you exceed the retry limit the
electronic opener shuts down and the safe must be opened with a key.  The
key is also necessary in the event of power failure.

A small child wouldn't be able to get their fingers on all the switches
and there's nothing to feel for manipulation purposes.  The total number
of possible combinations is 65,535 (excluding 0).

Given the key, I don't see this as significantly different from any
securely keyed safe for purposes of keeping a child out.  The so-called
Bio-Scan feature is just to let you get at the gun quickly in an
emergency.  It provides no additional security beyond that.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                Do not meddle in the affairs of
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  dragons, for you are crunchy
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        and go well with ketchup.
From: les@ulysses.att.com (Leslie Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: *Nice* ranges are a myth?
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:21:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ, USA

In article <lairdb.723858257@crash.cts.com> lairdb@crash.cts.com writes:
#
#Anybody found one yet?  What's the nicest range you *have* seen?  What

The nicest indoor range I've ever seen is Gould's in Pottstown PA.
Besides being modern, extremely clean and well equipped, they have
little touches such as framed Renoir prints in the restrooms.  Now
*that's* class.


--
  - Les Johnson  (les@ulysses.att.com) 1+908-582-5493
       "One Bell System - It Works"
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Medved Carbines
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:21:10 GMT

Last night I was reading an article on a Russian hunt that some
Americans went on in 1978.  The rifle supplied to them was a
Medved carbine - an 18.5" barrelled semi-auto with a 3 round
magazine (hinged at the front), and it fired a 9.3mm round.

While not the most attractive gun in the world, it would make
a nice addition to my collection.  Has anyone seen these things
stateside, and if so, what kind of price can I expect?


Rob
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: More newbie questions
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:14 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <1992Dec16.183456.22915@news.eng.convex.com>, cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
# In article <viking.724472619@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
# 
# ...about kids & toy guns
# 
# #	It's a non-issue.  Kids are remarkably adept at determining what is
# #a play toy and what is real, despite using your best Snap-On wrenches as
# #drumsticks.  It seems to me that they can be taught at a very early age
# #what is a real gun (do not touch) and what is a play gun (have fun).  This
# #is often reinforced by the play gun being given to them and kept in their
# #toybox, while the real gun stays in Daddy's closet safe.
# 
# I mostly agree--there's nothing wrong with kids having toy guns. However,
# PLEASE teach them not to point these toys at strangers. Teach your kids
# that while it's OK to point toy guns at their friends when they're playing
# mutually agreed upon war games, it's NOT OK to point these guns at people
# who don't know them and don't know for sure that the "gun" is a toy.
# 
# There have been cases of kids getting shot because they pointed a gun at
# the wrong person. Also, it gives me the creeps to have some strange kid
# point what I can only hope--but don't know for sure--is a toy at me. It's
# sad, but these days it's just possible that the gun is for real.
# 
Especially so in the car!  These days, you're very likely to get shot
at if you child points a cap-gun out the window.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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From: toddc@spot.tv.tek.com (Todd Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:33:36 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.  Beaverton, Oregon

In article <viking.724380552@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
#ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
#
##This is exactly what I would do now.  Engine off.  Hands on the wheel
##at 12 o'clock.  Smile to the officer and ask what he wants you to do,
##then AFTER HE TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO, mention 'I have a CCW and a {type
##gun in whatever carry position}, does that change what you want me to do?'
#
#	It's just an opinion, but it strikes me as being a more hazardous
#situation for the officer if he has to approach your car.  Even when I'm
#being pulled over for a simple 60 in a 55 (it was Labor Day weekend), I
#always get out of the car and walk back towards the cruiser. 

..stuff deleted..

#	I suspect that the officer is more afraid of approaching my
#vehicle not knowing what I've got on the seat than he is of seeing
#an empty-handed citizen walking normally to his car.  This has the
#side benefit of allowing me to hear any radio traffic that might be

Mike,

When I got my CCW, I took a class put on by the local Sheriff's Dept.,
and the instructor said just the opposite!  He said officers are
trained to be the first ones out of the car, as many officer 
fatalities occur with the patrolman still behind the wheel.

He said if you get out of your car and approach the officer, it will
cause him extra stress as he will have less control of the situation.
On the other hand, if you are waiting in your car with the engine off,
your hands visible, etc.   then the officer can approach you as he
chooses.  (By the way, he might just be wanting to tell you the road is out)

Of course, if you are on a first name basis, you might be better off
with a warm handshake!


                                    Todd


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From: jltaylor@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: ESPN Sunday, olympic shooting highlights 5:00pm
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:05 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Indiana University

this sunday ESPN will run "Shooting at the Olympics" .. this is 
higlights of summer and winter shooting events ....  5:00pm
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rossi .357
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:13 GMT


James Douglas Del-Vecchio writes:
#What I _really_ like, above and beyond any other S&W revolver, is the
#625 3" or 4". The best caliber in the world, seemingly well made,
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought the 940 was the only 9mm revolver S&W makes :)


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
Geordi: "...it's like the laws of physics went right out the
window." Q: "And why shouldn't they? They're so inconvenient."
From: C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: RE: Deadly Weapons
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:21:09 GMT

#Likely, the person who asked Rob was thinking of "Deadly Effects", or
#maybe not 8-) .. If you are interested in "DW", I can force myself to

Nope, it was 'Deadly Weapons,' the first in a series.  I believe
'Deadly Effects' is the third film.


Rob
From: sporay@adm.brl.mil (Ralph Sporay)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt or Springfield 1911 A1
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:23:18 GMT
Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD.


In article <1g6oe3INN764@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM 
(Renie Maycon) writes:
#Which is a better gun for the money springfield or colt?

#Is it really worth spending more money for a colt?

I was also curious, until I talked to a few gunsmiths whom are members
of the American Pistolsmiths Guild. They prefered to or would not work 
on any thing but a Colt or Caspian (1911A1). Used Colts also seem to
hold their value very well. I now own two Colts.

sporay@brl.army.mil
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From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which SA .45 acp to purchase
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:15 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <1992Dec18.205116.1690@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
#}#Presence of this "integral ramp cut" in the stock ParaOrd is a mized blessing.
#}#If you ever go "full custom", the ramp but may not be *exactly* the size you 
#}#would want to match a specific make of custom bbl, and will also constrain you
#}#to "ramped 45 bbl only" (a breed about as uncommon as the unramped 38 super
#}#bbl).
#
#Brownells sells several versions of ramped .45 1911 barrels, so they
#aren't all _that_ hard to find.

I did not mean to imply that such bbls are hard to find - they certainly
aren't.  What I meant was that custom gunsmiths rarely use fully ramped
bbls when building custom 45's.  They virtually always used ramped
bbls when building custom 38 supers intended for major caliber loads.
From: Sproul@sproul.sproul.com (Mark Sproul)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Time Restriction on Gun Sales?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:30:38 GMT
Organization: Sproul Consulting



In article <9212140537.AA05977@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> (rec.guns), C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
# 
# Is there any law on the federal level that specifies a time period
# between the purchase of a gun and the selling of it?
# 
# For example, let's say I bought a gun and a week later I want to
# sell it.  Can I legally make a private sale, or do I have to hold
# on to the gun for a month or so before selling it?
# 
# 
# Rob
# 
# [MODERATOR:  Probably only restrictions on local level, what do
# you think folks?   Also depends upon whether or not you are a dealer.
# For example, here in MD a dealer who buys a used firearm *may not*
# resell the firearm for a short period (two weeks? I forget), and may
# in fact be required to look up the serno in a state database.]
# 
The only thing I am aware of is the BATF, if you do it once, no problem,
if you do it several times they will consider you a dealer and thus
must have a dealer license.

-----------------------------------------------------
Mark Sproul - KB2ICI - New Jersey
sproul@sproul.com
From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Address for Browning??
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:56:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site


You can get consumer stuff from their consumer dept. in Utah:

  (801)-876-2711

For service and parts, call their service dept. in Missouri:

  (800)-322-4626

-Scot
From: mcdphx!systemname!gcall@enuucp.eas.asu.edu (Glen Call)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home....
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:12:10 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group Marketing


[my posting deleted]
|> If we're talking about the same Simplex, it has 5 buttons, and you need to
|> push the correct three-button sequence (in the correct order) to open it.

The lock on the box I have takes any combination of the five buttons being
pushed, so long as no button is pushed more than once.  Buttons may be pushed
simultaneously, which greatly increases the total number of combinations.
Therefore combinations may consist of from one to five depressions of the
buttons.  Example: 3,2&4,1,5.  I assert that it's mentally to harder to account
for the pressing of multiple buttons when trying all possible combinations.

|> I would hardly call this a secure lock.  When I was in grade school I was
|> opening these (and Master combination padlocks) by brute-forcing my way 
|> through all possible combinations.  Usually could get a simplex type within
|> 15 minutes, Master combination padlocks took less than 1/2 hour.  
|> 
|> Since this post came in the thread of "how to safely keep my guns from the 
|> hands of my children," I really had to speak out on this one.  1/2 hour to
|> break into daddy's "safe box" is NOT a lot of time to a child.

I defy you to open mine without force in 1/2 hour.  I'd even wager a case of
beer on it!

For the record, my 5-year-old daughter knows what's in the box and we have an
agreement that she doesn't touch any firearms _YET_.  Between my hardware and
her attitude, I feel relatively secure.

Glen
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DISCLAIMER: The above is strictly my opinion.  I DO NOT SPEAK FOR MOTOROLA!
From: scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Home Self Defense
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:20:12 GMT
Organization: ScylaxCorp


fehlau@pa881a.inland.com writes:


#More importantly perhaps is rehersing what you will say to the police
#if you decide to talk to them first instead of a lawyer.  For example,
#you could say the following:
#
#	I awoke in the middle of the night to a loud crashing noise.  I
#	decided to investigate and discovered an unwelcome intruder in
#	my house.  I clearly identified him/her as a complete stranger
#	and became afraid for myself and my families lives.  I immediately
#	yelled "stop, or I'll shoot".  The intruder came toward me, and
#	fearing for my life and my families lives, fired to stop him.
#	After this I called the police.
#
#I realize this is rather long and under stress very dificult to say,
#but that's why it is important to continually rehearse this for the
#following reasons:
#
#	1-  It shows rational control of all thinking processes.
#	2-  You have made a clear I.D. of the intruder and,
#	3-  Determining he is a stranger made you afraid for your
#		life, making using deadly force reasonable but not
#		necessary at this point.
#	4-  Yelling "stop" shows you were content to end the encounter
#		without using deadly force.
#	5-  However, the intruder chose to ignore the warning (you
#		were willing to let him turn around and escape your home
#		unharmed), so you chose to *stop* him/her.  The word
#		*stop* is important here because you only want to use as
#		much force as necessary to stop the intruder from
#		approaching you or your family (where she can hurt/kill
#		you).  You do not wish to kill this person to stop him.

If you thing combat works by numbers, think again.

Again we see, people more concerned with legalities than tactics.
Carried by six because of wanting to avoid judgement by twelve.

Ayoob remarks than you can shoot a man through the heart, and he can
still have plenty of time to shoot back at you, because of the fight or
flight reflex.  You start the reflex process in the perp once you yell 
"Stop".  Condidering than you may not even hit the perp, never mind hitting 
him in the heart, in your highly stressed state, why on earth should you give 
up your minimal tactical advantage of surprise, by yelling?  He turns
around you shoot he shoots both in trouble, at worst both dead.  
If he is in you house, you owe him NO courtesy, no code of honor, no
fair game, zilch!, no matter what the lawyers say.  You see he is a stranger 
up to no good and you shoot until he is incapacitated, clearly unable to 
advance upon you, draw a weapon, or give you a dirty look.  As it is, even
if you fire without warning you may bungle up miserably and still lose your 
life, but for your sake don't make it easier for him!
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:20:52 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California

In article <BzHA6v.LFn@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:

#There's actually a driving school which teaches you driving that's
#defensive to the point of becoming offensive. It's designed for
#executives, to teach them how to dodge terrorists/kidnappers. 
...
#I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the school, but I
#think it's back East, maybe in Maryland. MotorWeek '93 did a story
#about it, so watch your local PBS station for the rebroadcast
#sometime this/next year...

I think it is 'Bondurant' and I thought it was located in Sonoma county,
just above Port Sonoma on the race track next to the Petaluma River
(name of said race track being something *I* cannot remember ...)
Take Hwy 37 across the 'top' of San Pablo Bay (S.F. Bay for folks
who don't know it is really TWO bays...) and turn north next to the 
river ... it is on the left ...

Or maybe he just taught the course there some times when doing a local
stint...

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

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