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Organization: Rice University, Networking & Computing Systems
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:56:09 CST
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NETDATA support
              6 Jan 1993 15:39:13 CST from <HARVEY@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>

Nope, you haven't missed the announcement, it doesn't support NETDATA
or lines > 80 (on output) right now.  (Actually, I believe it does
support lines > 80 on input, but make no promises.)

Here's a question for your enjoyment:  Notice that "More: - +" up
there in the upper right corner?  OK, that should probably change
to "More < - + >" for messages which are wider than the screen.  However,
there's a bit of a problem in doing that which I'm still puzzling over,
which is exactly how to do that.  Let's assume for the moment that
the file contains at least 1 line longer than 80 characters (or the
screen width), and that you're currently looking at the first screen
of the message, starting in column 1.

When should the > indicator be on?

   a) Anytime you're looking at the file
   b) Only on the screen with line(s) longer than the screen

   a) is cheap to do, but not terribly useful, I think
   b) is hard to do, since XEDIT doesn't offer any help in knowing what
      the length of the largest line being (partially) shown on the screen
      By hard, by the way, I probably also mean "expensive" :-(

Now assume you're wanting to send a piece of mail.  XEDIT needs a maximum
line length assigned.  I can arbitrarily assign 1000 (a number chosen by
reading RFC821), but that will increase the memory requirements to hold
the mail being composed by about 25% on the average, and needs an answer
to the previous question about when to show the More: > flag.

Any suggestions?

Richard
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Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:30:54 +01
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From:         Herman Van Uytven <SYSTHVU@CC1.KULEUVEN.AC.BE>
Subject:      rewriting VM and MVS addresses

Hello,

We want to have for the whole University E-mail addresses in the
form Surname.Name@org.kuleuven.ac.be.  A big part of this setup
works with sendmail+ida and the DNS, the most difficult part is
to get this kind of generic addresses in the From: line for mail
send by VM and MVS users.

I see a few possible solutions :

- bring all the mails from VM and MVS to a special SMTPsend on VM.
  This SMTPsend uses a dummy name-server, so that all the mail goes
  to a UNIX sendmail+IDA, where the From: line is rewritten.

- modify the MUA on VM and MVS so that
  * people can define their From: line
                 or
  * we maintain a list of userid - From: line pairs and this list is
    used to define the From: line

  We use RICE MAIL/MAILB00K on VM and UCLA mail on MVS.

Both solutions are complicated, and are dangerous for loosing mail
if not well organized.

Anyone has done such a thing ?

-Herman-   systhvu@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be or Herman.Van_Uytven@urc.kuleuven.ac.be
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:04:03 EST
From:         Lawrence Gottesman <GOTTESMN@RPIECS.BITNET>
Subject:      Signing Off the Air

An IBM 3081-D at Rensselaer's School of Engineering
running VM/SP and VM/XA, is shutting down for the last time at the end
of today's business day, resulting in one less RICEMAIL site.

The program will be sorely missed.  Many thanks to Richard and others.
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Organization: Columbia University Administrative Information Services
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:05:39 EST
From:         Terrence Ford <TFOCU@CUVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Modifing PF Key Display

If a PF key setting is modified in particular screenmode, say SEND,
what are the options for modifying the PF key display?

Can the PF key be set in a manner that Mail will automatically do this?

Note, I am not talking about the documented way of resetting a PF key
that Mail has set, but introducing a new function.  If PF4 is set to
execute FOO XEDIT from MAILUSER, then the display for F4 is blank.

My search of the archives leads me to conclude I must EXTRACT the reserved
lines, make the modification, and rewrite the reserved line.  Yes?

Thanks,

terrence
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Organization: East Tennessee State University
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:25:58 EST
From:         Bill Williams <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: default settings for function key lines
              4 Jan 1993 07:59:00 EST from
              <JCLUTCHE%PSUHMC.bitnet@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:59:00 EST <JCLUTCHE%PSUHMC.bitnet@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> said:
>In helping folks get started with RiceMail, we have to go into OPTIONS
>and manually change the MENU, READ and SEND settings to have the
>"function key lines" show two lines.
>
>Shouldn't two lines be the default?  Any Suggestions to have this as
>our default?  Thanks for your help.

Shucks, I just set up the MAILSYS XEDIT to accomodate the worst
case user.  (A more advanced user can override with the MAILUSER
XEDIT.)

My entire MAILSYS XEDIT is:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
/* Dummy MAILSYS XEDIT */
   'SETMAIL SITE.CONTACT Bill Williams <CMS2@ETSU> x6853'
   'SETMAIL ORGANIZATION.NAME East Tennessee State University'

/* We will default FULLSCREEN to NO */
   'SETMAIL CMS.FULLSCREEN NO'

/* For Mail92+ this seems to be the best PFKey display... */
arg whatmode .
if whatmode='SEND' | whatmode='READ'
then  'SETMAIL KEY.LINES 4';
else  'SETMAIL KEY.LINES 3';
----------------------------------------------------------------------

 ---------------------------------------
   Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
    East
    Tennessee             (615) 929-6853
    State
    University        <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:57:07 EST
From:         John Wagner <jwagner@PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NETDATA support
              06 Jan 93 15:56:09 CST." <9301062246.AA21442@Princeton.EDU>

> Now assume you're wanting to send a piece of mail.  XEDIT needs a maximum
> line length assigned.  I can arbitrarily assign 1000 (a number chosen by
> reading RFC821), but that will increase the memory requirements to hold
> the mail being composed by about 25% on the average, and needs an answer
> to the previous question about when to show the More: > flag.
>
> Any suggestions?

1024 is too short.  I've already seen files with lines wider than that.  The
1000 byte limit was a recommended sending limit, but the recipient has to be
prepared to accept longer lines.  So some sites send longer lines.

  John
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:16:45 CST
From:         "Richard A. Schafer" <SCHAFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Modifing PF Key Display

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:05:39 EST Terrence Ford said:
>My search of the archives leads me to conclude I must EXTRACT the reserved
>lines, make the modification, and rewrite the reserved line.  Yes?

Yes.  And remember to do that in the POSTSEND exit.

Richard
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:03:22 EST
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From:         Sheryl Owens <sowens@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NON-TRADITIONAL CIRCULATION NOTICES
              Wilson" at Jan 6, 93 10:38 am

We have been sending notices via post card  to patrons for years.  The biggest
compalaint is that they claim not to receive them (usually the ones requesting
that they return an item because someone else wants it - not the one that says
please come pick up your book).  At one point we had envelopes made to send the
post cards in because it was thought that the postal handlers took envelopes
more seriously than post cards.  However, we abandoned that as it was costly
and did not solve the problem.  Privacy was not an issue.  We only listed the
requested title, call number info - not the name or any information about the
patron who requsted the item.

Sheryl Owens
Head Circulation, OSU
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:21:55 EST
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From:         TTUSCANO@URSLIB.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Sex by Madonna

Our library purchased Sex by Madonna and I've placed it on 2 hour "LIBRARY USE O
NLY" reserve.  The patron must also leave their I.D. or drivers license. If
the book needs to be used "in a class"; the student will have to sign it out
on a special loan with a librarian at the Information (Reference) Desk for
that class period only.  We will also not loan it out on interlibrary loan
because it is on reserve (this is a policy we follow with any books we have
on reserve).

The book was put on reserve during our semester break which isn't over until
January 18 so I have no idea yet how effective this policy will be. Hopefully
the furor over the book won't last long and if the book disappears I don't
think it's worth replacing (that's my opinion only, not the library's).

==============================================================================

Theresa Tuscano
Myrin Library
Ursinus College
Collegeville, PA 19426

TTUSCANO@URSLIB.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:29:32 EST
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From:         Carol Goodson/West GA College <CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Photocopier Policies
              7 Jan 1993 09:51:59 -0500 from <danp@URSUS1.URSUS.MAINE.EDU>

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:51:59 -0500 Daniel Philbrick said:
>everything for them too. The copiers here at USM are constantly used for
>copying reserve articles. People are "too busy" to read the articles in
>the library is the excuse heard most often.

***I have to take issue with this note of negativity...I am a librarian, but
also a part-time graduate student in English...I always copy my Reserve
readings, so that I can study them at home in comfort, and so that I will
have them to review when the final comes up...or to perhaps use as a future
resource in another class...people may say, "too busy", but I think that's
not always what they mean: it's just something convenient that doesn't require
too many words...

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| Carol Goodson, Coordinator/Off-Campus Library Services         |
| Ingram Library, West Georgia College                           |
| Carrollton  GA  30118                                          |
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Organization: George Fox College, Newberg, Oregon USA
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:38:50 PST
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From:         Louise Newswanger <lnewswanger@FOXMAIL.GFC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: test

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:35:24 -0800
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From:         Rebecca Thomas <thomas@SCILIBX.UCSC.EDU>
Subject:      automated ILL

         I'm posting this for someone so please respond to the
         e-mail address at the bottom of this message ...

         Any information regarding an AUTOMATED - INTERLIBRARY-LOAN
         system would be appreciated ... thank-you in advance !

         RESPOND TO: garyc@scilibx.UCSC.EDU
         otherwise known as : Gary Carlton
                              Head of Circulation
                              McHenry Library
                              University California Santa Cruz
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:38:19 PST
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From:         June Wilson <wilsonj@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      NON-TRADITIONAL CIRCULATION NOTICES

          In an effort to reduce postage costs, we are looking into
          the possibility of using post cards to notify patrons about
          overdue materials/reserved materials available for pick-up,
          etc.  However, we are concerned that using such a format for
          notification through the mails may be in conflict with an
          individual's "right to privacy".  We would appreciate
          hearing from any library which has had any experiences (good
          or bad) with post-card or any other type of non-traditional
          notice.  Thanks!
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:04:03 -0700
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From:         "Dawn L. Stubenrauch (906)487-2506" <DSTUBEN@MTUS5.BITNET>
Subject:      other listservs

I would like to find out addresses of other listservs, library related or not.
I'm afraid I'm starting to get addicted to e-mail.

Resond to me directly at DSTUBEN@MTUS5

Thanks,
DAWN STUBENRAUCH
Michigan Tech Univ.
J. Robert Van Pelt Library
Houghton, MI
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:31:30 CST
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From:         June DeWeese <ELSJUNE@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: enforcing reserve copyright policies

At the University of Missouri-Columbia, each item that goes on Reserve is
barcoded and stamped with the copyright stamp. If we see an article coming
in this semester that already has a barcode and the stamp, (or just the
stamp) we are asking for proof of copyright compliance (a letter granting
permission or stating that royalties have been paid). If we are in any
doubt, we pull out the old reserve lists and check. The Reference staff
are responsible for that part of the Reserve routine. Once an item gets to us
Reserve staff just puts it on, assuming that all of the necessary checking
has been done. We refer faculty who are unhappy or who have questions to
University Legal Counsel--there is one copyright specialist on staff who helped
us write our policy and she is very helpful. We have been warning faculty that
we will be requiring copyright compliance for two semesters, so they should
be prepared by now. However, I am sure some will claim that they were
unaware until "right now". We'll just have to deal with each of them on a case
by case basis.



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**  June DeWeese                           **
**  Head of Access Services Division       **
**  Ellis Library                          **
**  University of Missouri-Columbia        **
**  Columbia, MO  65201                    **
**  314/882-7315                           **
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:14:30 CST
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From:         "Jorge L. Cruz" <VB7R0036@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NON-TRADITIONAL CIRCULATION NOTICES

>"Hi, I'm attorney Dee Pockets and if you or anyone you love has had
>        their privacy compromised by a library mailing a notice on
>        a postcard, call our law firm of Screwem, Clipem and Howe.
>        You don't pay a cent until WE get money for YOU!"
>
><just ain't no easy answers>
>
>Rustbelt Bill

Rusty,  I have never met you, I do not know who you are, but everytime I read
one of your messages I have to laugh and laugh and laugh.  Keep'em coming!!!


Jorge L. Cruz                          Voice:  (214) 768-2275
Head, Circulation Dept.                  Fax:  (214) 768-4236
Science/Engineering Library
Southern Methodist University         Bitnet:  VB7R0036@SMUVM1
Dallas, TX  75275-0375              Internet:  VB7R0036@VM.CIS.SMU.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:21:43 CST
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From:         Robert Cameron <CAMERON@LOYNOVM.BITNET>
Subject:      enforcing reserve copyright policies

Here I go with another bi-monthly reserve copyright query--

As part of our newly established reserve copyright policy we will require
professors to submit proof of copyright permission for photocopies if they
wish to resubmit an article for more than one semester (we figure that putting
something on for one semester qualifies under the "spontaneity" guideline).
However, we thus far have no mechanism in place for tracking our professors'
compliance with our policy and it seems as if this could be quite a time-
consuming task in the future.  Before a photocopy could be placed on reserve
someone would have to check previous reserve sheets for that professor to be
sure the piece hadn't been on before.

I'm beginning to think we should have just bitten the bullet, started WWIII,
and required all articles to be either publisher's reprints or photocopies
accompanied with copyright permissions.  Our faculty (or, more likely,
their clerical support staff) would have had to do the work and circulation
staff wouldn't have had to worry about it.

Maybe I'm just an anal-retentive type who isn't happy unless I'm worrying, but
I'd feel better hearing from anyone out there with any advice to offer.  If
this isn't of general interest please reply to me directly.  Thanks!

Robert Cameron
CAMERON@LOYNOVM
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:51:59 -0500
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From:         Daniel Philbrick <danp@URSUS1.URSUS.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      Photocopier Policies

I would be interested in knowing what policies are being used by
different circulation depts. for photocopiers and photocopying. It seems
that libraries have turned into mini-copy centers and people expect
machines to crank out resume-perfect copies and collate and staple
everything for them too. The copiers here at USM are constantly used for
copying reserve articles. People are "too busy" to read the articles in
the library is the excuse heard most often. The Faculty here have
resorted to dumping all of their assigned readings in the library
reserve file due to copyright laws, costs, (laziness?), etc. so the
library here has the burden of policing the file and handling photocopy
problems.

Is there a library out there that has a dept. that handles photocopies
exclusively? What type of signage does your library provide by the
photocopiers? Do you give refunds?

Our system here uses both coins and a debit card system. A big problem
with the debit card system is that when people go to add money onto
their card, they usually mess it up and insert their money into the
machine before their card is in resulting in buying another card. How is
this handled, if it is, at your library? I guess any comments anyone can
provide about how photocopying is handled at their library would be
helpful. Thanks.

Dan Philbrick, Library Assistant II
University of Southern Maine - Gorham Campus
DANP@URSUS1.URSUS.MAINE.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:58:45 CST
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From:         CAMERON@LOYNOVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: NON-TRADITIONAL CIRCULATION NOTICES
              6 Jan 1993 10:38:19 PST from <wilsonj@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>

We've been using postcard size notices for at least ten years now, although
the post office made us start paying first class rates about three years
ago (damn!).  All overdues, bills, and hold notices are sent on the same size
paper.  No one has ever complained.

The N.O. Public Library sends my hold notices on similar cards; I've _never_
received one of their overdue notices, of course(!), but I believe they are
mailed in the same fashion.

Robert Cameron
CAMERON@LOYNOVM
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:26:24 CST
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NON-TRADITIONAL CIRCULATION NOTICES
              6 Jan 1993 10:38:19 PST from <wilsonj@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>

A study at KU showed that only librarians worried about it...the public
couldn't care less.  I'd suggest that you poll your borrowers.  It's
kind of like using Social Security numbers on drivers' licenses, etc.
It's not supposed to be done, but almost noone gives two hoots, so it's done
all over the place, with options for those few folk who DO care.

Kendall Simmons
Univ. of Kansas
Hi JoJo, Rusty, Mary Kay, etc.
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