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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 13:31:51 GMT

>In article <1992Nov4.053400.2896@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>
>
>   I keep hearing about this ancient master who sends all the young
>   hotshots flying.  But all of the folks I know who are in their
>   seventies are well past being able to compete successfully
>   against an experienced fighter in his 20's or 30's.
>
>   So, what's the story here?  Who among us has actually fought
>   someone 70 or older and lost?

	I have it second-hand from someone who witnessed it, that Kisaka Sensei
(a 50 something JKA instructor) challenged a pompous young sandan at a training
camp, and tossed him around like a rag doll.
	I've never really come across any MA teachers old enough to fit your
description though.


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From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions about Chi
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:30:27 GMT
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Frank I. Reiter (Frank@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
: A couple months ...to answer a few very basic questions:
: 
: 1) Chi seems most often to be translated as "Energy".  From what I've read,
: "Life force" seems to be another apt translation.  Would you agree with that?
Yes, but ji in Taiji und Qi (energy) are two different ji/qi and have also a
different Chinese pictograph. Taiji and Qi are the official (Red) Chinese trans-
scriptions (also called Pinyin).
Qi (very simple) has 3 origins: 1st from the parents, which can obviously not
be changed, 2nd from food, 3rd) from environment, which includes air. The latter
two may compensate for a poor 1st.
: 
: 2) There is much talk about how chi flows - is it someimes also static or is
: it always in motion?
Qi is always in motion, but in very different ways: like a wave, fast, slow,
or like rotation, or sharp edges, very much like the heartbeat can differ, 
it can also get (nearly) stuck at a point in a body, which in more severe 
cases causes illness = pain.
Inflame is considered too much YangQi in the body at a special place 
e.g. in the heart.
: 
: 3) I have read references to "Generating chi".  Does this mean that chi can
: be created or is "Generating chi" really refering to "Generating a flow of
: chi" ?
I would say just like in physics, energy cannot be generated, but transformed.
The flow of Qi can be changed/opened/enhanced/decreased. This is done in 
Taiji and more so in Qigong.
: 
: 4) I am studying a combined Wu/Yang style of tai chi.  I understand that Yang
: style is most popular and Wu is popular also, but I haven't seen any
: references to the combined style outside of my classes.  Is it uncommon?
Never heard about a combiniation. Very curious to hear more.
: 
: Thanks in advance to anyone able to help.
: 
: Frank.
: --
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Iron Palm Training
Keywords: Iron Palm, Conditioning
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.162255.21988@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> rob@austin.ibm.com writes:
>If anyone has any information on Iron Palm Training ie back issues
>of magazines, books, seminars, or legitimate instructors in the USA
>please post the information in a followup article.

Well, since no one else seems to have a good description to offer, I
might as well post what little I know:

The training is, apparently a combination of a herbal medicine applied to
the palm and slapping/hitting/striking a heavy sack of rice. The intention is
to harden and strenghten the skin of the palm, so as to increase the
damage done to an opponent by a strike, and decrease the damage done
to the striker's palm. I'm sure there is something I'm leaving out, 
but...

                                                  Frank Crary
                                                  CU Boulder
From: john.28@bnr.ca (John Ledford)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Test Requiremnets-WRITTEN?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:53:35 GMT
Organization: BNR, Inc. RTP, NC

In article <13874@pogo.wv.tek.com> roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud) writes:
>After reading all the recent discussion about passing and failing tests in
>Aikido I got to thinking...
>
>Does anybody regardless of your particular MA have to take a written exam
>as part of your test.  Could those of you who do please post some info.
>about test content and which ranks are required to take a written exam as
>well as the physical exam.

No, but there is a _good_ oral drilling. I am not aware of any written tests.

Form: American Shotokan. 

>
>Thanks.
`welcome

john
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Subject: 10th Dan
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 13:48:21 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.


In article <40028.312921040@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz> mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz writes:

 > I have been told that the rank of 10th dan is not held by anyone in the
 > world and has not been for 100's of years, as my instructor is 5th dan
 > and the Kancho-Sensei of Chidokan is 7th dan, I find it difficult to accept
 > that there is not someone out of 3 billion people who hold a rank three
 > grades higher. 

I dunno - have you checked the founders of some of the arts?  Ted
Parker?  Mas Oyama?  Miyagi?

I'm sure these boys hold quite high belts.

Later!
From: jothomas@chopin.udel.edu (John Richard Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:23:16 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Nov4.215421.8721@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO) writes:
>
>     If anyone thinks that Muay Thai is undefeated in world competition, I ask
>you to rent a movie called "Fighting Black Kings", which you can find at any
>good Blockbuster Video.  It is a documentary about the 1st annual Martial Arts
>Invitational in Tokyo (I think that's what the name of the tournament was.  All
>I know is that it was held in Tokyo.)  The film is fairly old (mid-1970s), but
>it is the real thing.  
>     Among the styles represented.....Japanese Karate (no specifics as to which
>karate styles were present, but I'm certain a good number of the Japanese competitors were students of the Okinawan Goju-ryu style.),  various styles of
>Kung-Fu (looked like Wing Chun), and Muay Thai.  No Tae Kwon Do stylists, but I
>expected that--TKD didn't really come into its own until the early 80s.  It was
>known as Korean Karate, so there could've been some TKDists there.  
>     Each style was profiled, Karate being lumped together as one style.  Also,
>certain individuals (2 Americans, a Brit and a couple of Japanese) were profiled.
>The film followed each man's training methods, style, etc.  
>     ANYWAY......the Karate stylists were clearly dominant.  The representatives
>from China did pretty well, considering Kung-Fu has always had a bad rap as being
>useless in competition vs. other arts.  The Thai boxers did as expected--they 
>made it pretty far into the competition.  I saw one guy use the distinctive Thai
>round kick on an opponent's thigh.  He eventually disabled the thigh.....
>     The end result was that the lone Thai boxer who made it to the quarterfinals was beaten soundly.  Mostly because the other guy was too good.  What's my point?
>     I love to watch Thai Boxing, and think they are some of the most lethal 
>unarmed combatants around.  But just because you are a good Thai boxer doesn't mean an Aikido stylist doesn't have a chance.  
>     The tournament was truly brutal.  You have to see it to believe it.  As the
>  
>      
This was a full-contact tournament, but there were rules that favored
karate styles.  The rule that not arm strikes were allowed to the head 
encouraged fighters to stand in front of each other with their hands
down.  This rule limited the effectiveness of the thai fighters
because they are use to using punches and elbows to the head. The
commentary was also directed at trying to show that karate was 
better than kung fu.  The fighters representing the kung fu styles
were pretty poor examples of kung fu fighters.  The Wing Chun 
fighter was fat and very soft looking.  He in no way resembled
a good and aggresive Wing Chun fighter such as William Chung.
From: D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jujitsu
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:11:48 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
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Sue Pang 10-16-91 (spang@calstatela.edu) wrote:
: Grandmaster Dr. Fried teaches Jujitsu at CSULA.  I was wondering if anyone practice Jujistu or Karate-Jitsu?
: 
: Thanks,
: Sue

I practice Ronin Ryu Ju-Jutsu, which is a variant of Samurai Ju-Jutsu and I can wholeheartedly recommend the
art.  Anyone with any questions can mail me at D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk

OK?

Dom
From: smith@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (doug smith)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Better atemi for Aikido
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:33:44 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov6.174420.1@stsci.edu>, jwalters@stsci.edu writes:
|> 
|> I have been studying Aikido for about seven months.  While I have
|> always intended to study a more self-defense oriented art in a few
|> years, I have strong doubts about taken a second style before I am
|> competant in Aikido.  My budget also limits my options.  I know of a
|> Bushinkan (sp?) karate club which I might be able to attend once a
|> week.  Is this a good idea?  Does anybody suggestions? 
|> 
|> 				Thanks in advance,
|> 				Jim W.

A more self defense oriented style?  What are you talking about.  Aikido
is only self defense, thats why I study.  You are asking a lot from a style
if you expect to not be tentative after seven months.  In Aikido it took me
that long to learn how to stand, raise my arm, hold my body, much less not
to be tentative.  The spirt and toughness come from years of practice, it
doesn't matter which style you are learning.  I would suggest not to worry
about it, but to practice a lot, for a long time, and then make up your mind.
If you have been in Aikido for seven months and you are still practicing
regularly, then it sound like that is the style for you, and stick with it.
If you are finding excuses to miss class often, than switch to a harder style.


Douglas Smith
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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: Kicking with instep vs. ball
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:43:53 GMT

djulian@controls.ccd.harris.com (Danny E. Julian) writes:

>I was wondering what the general consensus was on kicking with the instep
>versus the ball of the foot when executing a round kick or a front (thrust)
>kick.  I was taught to use the ball of the foot no matter what since
>it was easy to break the bones in top of the foot.  I now notice that alot
>of people use the instep when performing such kicks.

>Is one better that the other?

>Which one would be better for an "actual" fight?

Instep kicks are generally easier to excecute, and certainly much easier
to learn.  There is a greater chance of breaking something in your foot,
but most "actual" fights occur with shoes on, so that's not usually a 
great risk.  However, with shoes on, using the ball of the foot usually
translates to using the "toe" of the shoe, which is a relatively hard
object, and will generally do more damage than the instep.  I was taught
to use the instep only when attacking "soft" targets like the groin or
lower abdomen with front and roundhouse kicks.  It makes it much easier
to do serious damage to the groin, especially, but you can seriously
hurt yourself if your enemy blocks the blow, especially if he blocks it
with his leg.
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: karate - getting in shape
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:34:42 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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>Hi!  I am going to start taking some Karate classes in the near future
>and I would like some advice.  What do I need to do in order to prepare for
>classes.  I am mainly interested in the physical training area. If anyone has
>a suggested workout please e-mail it to me.
 
     My advice is to get started taking Karate lessons as soon as 
possible and work hard.  Your instructor will put you through all 
the exercises you need to get in shape.  If you're in poor 
condition now, you'll be in much better condition after three 
months or so.
 
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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Police Tonfa Certification...
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:46:49 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

(Note: "Tonfa" is what I've got on the subject line, but what
I really mean is "side-arm nightstick", as in what policemen
use. Tonfa is just shorter and fits better on the subject line...)

One of my co-workers is an ex-policeman and MP (stil does a little
work for the campus PD to keep his certification up). He told me
for his side-arm nightstick certification he had to take a full force
blow from an axe handle on the nightstick (sans blade - nota bene). 
Said he had one hellacious bruise afterwards.

Brrr. Sounds grim. I'm curious now - how many other certification
tests (law enforcement or otherwise) have such "real-life-like"
tests?

Rich Travsky                  Division of Information Technology
University of Wyoming         rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu
"We tottered together upon the brink of the fall. I have some knowledge, 
however, of baritsu, or the Japanese system of wrestling...I slipped 
through his grip..."  S.H., _The Return of Sherlock Holmes_
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From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:02:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24105
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In article <eric.t.zmarzly.1-041192145506@129.74.199.139> eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
>I was wondering about how long it takes different arts to attain a Black
>Belt, which is really only a beginning anyway.

It took me a little over two years.  However, I was a young fanatic
in those days.  Most weeks I'd train, at the dojo, Monday - Thursday
nights, help teach the kid's class on Saturday morning, then train
Saturday afternoon.  There were often tournaments on Sundays.

In addition to having the time to spend for this kind of training,
I had a tremendous drive to excel in this.I was in High School
at the time, and did little else.  Once college, then work, family,
etc, set in, I...uhhh...mellowed a bit.

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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Aikido Books
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:08:07 GMT

In article la@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Lewis Alderton) writes:
>By far the best book I have read is "Living Aikido" by
>Bruce Klickstein. He used to be Saito Sensie's Uke.
>
>Another common favourite is Aikido and the Dynamic sphere
>by some-one and o-ratti.

Adele Westbrook and Oscar Ratti.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Getting to grappling range.
Keywords: grappling, judo
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:03:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov12.220324.687
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.154446.2702@ms.uky.edu> taddiken@ms.uky.edu (scott taddiken) writes:
>I am interested in people's thoughts on how to get from kicking range to
>punching range to grappling range.
[hope this fits within the style suggestions... :-]... You wrote of covering
your partner's elbows &c as you move in. This is a way of making contact to
cover your entry. Another tactic is to counterstrike, and use partner's
block/deflection/what-have-you as your cover. If you buy that, then why 
must it be a *counter*strike -- why not initiate the contact with a
strike of your own?

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From: mccorkl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent Lee McCorkle)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:28:44 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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   Another aspect of hard/soft that deserves some consideration IMHO is the
proper use of techniques and targets.  Granted it may be considered a small
area compared to the internal/external debate but it's still important.  For
example in Goju, which translates as hard-soft by the way, some empahsis is
placed in designating targets as hard vs. soft and applying the opposite type	of attack.  For example, when attacking the neck, a soft target, ones wants to
use a hard attack such as a punch so as to reduce cushioning, etc.  However,
if you were to attack someone's face area, generally hard, you would ideally
want to use a soft technique such as a shotei (palm-heel strike).  Granted
this always isn't true as most people often use punches against hard targets
such as ribs, etc, myself included, but I just thought I'd bring it up.  How
much importance is this given in other people's style, not a lot in mine
actually, or is the big difference to them just the type of attacks?  Also,
many styles (and I think this was mentioned) are considered hard or soft 
based upon the attacks and not upon the internal/external differences in 
form and philosophy.  Comments welcome!

Kent L. McCorkle
mccorkl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

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From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Taekwondo - ITFNZ
Organization: Massey University
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:51:35 GMT

International TaeKwonDo Foundation of New Zealand
---------------------------------------------------------

1993 National Camp will take place in Massey University, Palmerston
North, 22-24 January 93
approx cost for all meals and accommodation is NZ$ 140 (adults) and NZ$
75 (up to 12)


combined training, competitions, group training, theory workshops,
demonstrations, entertainment.

Topics covered:

sport psychology, basics, flexibility, patterns, sports nutrition,
sparring, exercise physiology, weapons, injury prevention, breakfalling.

----------------------------------------------------------
1994 INTERNATIONAL CAMP in Massey - will keep you posted...
----------------------------------------------------------


EMA ALTER (EJ. Alter@massey.ac.nz)
CUES
Massey University
Palmerston North
New Zealand
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From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: karate-getting in shape
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:40:44 GMT

SEAN R MCINTOSH (srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	Hi!  I am going to start taking some Karate classes in the near future 
: and I would like some advice.  What do I need to do in order to prepare for these
: classes.  I am mainly interested in the physical training area. If anyone has a 
: suggested workout please e-mail it to me. 
: 	A friend of mine suggested that I do pushups on my knuckles.  What do 
: you think?  I would also like some information on how to get my fists into shape
: ?  I would also like an opinion on full-contact karate.  I am interested in this, 
: but I really do not know what to expect.  Any information will be greatly 
: appreciated.

As for physical preparation I would suggest stretching!, sit-ups, and 
push-ups (knuckle push-ups are best).  You will probably get the best
results from stretching if you are warmed up first, try to stretch your
legs (and hips) from as many angles as you can (but don't overstretch).

There are several types of "full-contact" karate, and each has their strong
points.  The main difference is in whether you wear protective gear or
not.  Those that don't allow protective gear offer great realism, but
you can't spend very long sparring in those styles (without risking
injury).  Styles that use protective gear let you spend much more time
at full speed, full power "sparring", but you will notice that the
padding will affect your strategy (i.e. make it less realistic).

I think you would probably be better prepared for a "real" fight by
the unpadded full contact styles, but you will have more fun in the
padded styles.  One final warning about unpadded styles is that you
can develop fears (from injury) that will hinder your effectiveness
in a "real" fight.  I encountered this problem at the intermediate
level, but overcame them after a bit more exposure.

Dave Shorten
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