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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:54:59 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>In article <schuck.720947869@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:

>Two things ...

>1. Outside of specialty ethnic shops, it's hard to know whether your
>buyer will be Japanese, Swiss, etc.  Japanese tourists are shoppers
>and they will go for high ticket items that everyone else with a lot
>of disposable vacation money will go for ... the presence of Japanese
>signs on Fifth Avenue are quite limited, I assure you.

In Vancouver there are a lot of specialty tourist shops because ot the
Cruise Ship trade and Asian tourists.

>2. You already have the English.  So what if there's French as well?

>>Another language issue that annoys me is the signs in Airports and
>>federal government offices. They are all bilingual, french and
>>english.  On this issue I'm not saying eliminate french, I'm saying
>>add Japanese and Chinese. Multilanguage signs are common in Europe 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>-- we don't have to limit ourselves to two in places like BC.

>1. Why add Japanese to *Canadian federal government* offices?  The
>immigration from Japan had pretty well stopped in the 1920's; almost
>all British Columbians of Japanese-descent (whose families were not
>forcefully repatriated to other parts of Canada after they were
>released from the camps) are native English speakers born and bred
>in Canada.  It would even be stretching to say that their parents
>might even speak, let alone read, Japanese.

I was thinking of making tourists feel more welcome. After travelling
in Europe where 3 language signs are common -- english usually being
one of them -- I know how nice it is to be able to navigate when your
language is on a sign in a trains station , post office etc.

>2. Same for British Columbians of Chinese-descent, despited the high
>proportion of immigrants (the balance is tipped the other way in the
>eastern parts of this continent), particularly from Hong Kong whose
>presence is counted more in dollars than in head count.

I believe Chinese is now the largest non-english ethnic group in BC.

>3. An international transit and business hub like NYC has only seen
>airport signs in anything other than English appear in the last few
>years ... we're talking the last three, maybe four at JFK and LGA.
>I'd expect more inertia in Vancouver ...

Tourism is one of our largest industries. Now that the Vancouver
Airport is under local control instead of DOT control I hope things
will improve.


-- 
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"We've got to get bigger guns" -- Dick Durkin                  schuck@sfu.ca
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From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Voting Systems (was Re: Proportional representation)
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:23:06 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <92313.1825132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> There are two systems I like, the first is the transferable ballot where
> voters list there 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices. First choices are counted on the
> first count, then if no one receives 50% the lowest candidate is dropped and
> the second choices of his/her voters are distributed and so on until someone
> gets 50%.  Another alternative is a run-off, a week or two later between the
> top two candidates.
> 
> The German system combines PR with a constituency system. Their is a two part
> ballot, on the first part you vote for a party, on the second part you vote
> for your constituency MP. Half the seats of the House (applying it to a
> Canadian structure) would be made up of constituencey MPs. The other half
> would be distributed to the various parties receiving more than 5% of the
> vote in such a way that the OVER ALL composition of the House is proportional
> to the votes each party recieves. For example, say there's an election where
> the Liberals win all the constituency seats with 50% of the vote (as happened
> in New Brunswick a few years ago) with the Tories and NDP getting 30% and
> 20% respectively. A 100 seat House would look like this
> 
>              %vote   Costit. seats     PR seats      Total
>    Liberals   50%         50             -            50
>    Tories     30%         -              30           30
>    NDP        20%         -              20           20
> 
>  Thus while the principle of local MPs is preserved, so is the principle
> of over all PR.  The beauty of this system is it also allows you to vote
[stuff deleted]

This system may be introduced in New Zealand shortly. In a recent
two-part referendum 85% of New Zealander rejected the status quo
in favour of some change to the electoral system. The option most
favoured for change was the above [German] Mixed-Member Proportional
system that had been favoured by an earlier Royal Commission. [We
have them too!]

Not all the support for change was necessarily due to abstract
considerations of the merits of the systems. The Government of
Jim Bolger, who enjoys a public image similar to that of Brian
Mulroney, campaigned strongly agaist the change. People figured
that if they were so strongly against it, then it must be OK.

In November 1993 New Zealand goes to the polls for what may be
the last election under the present system. At that time there
will be a run-off referendum between Mixed Member Proportional
and the status quo.
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8506 rec.arts.tv:21858
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.tv
Subject: RE: Canadian Television Exports List: Request for Updates
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:46:38 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <11NOV92.10246538.0073@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>In article <BxJssM.977.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
>>
>>I recently heard a radio story about an SRC serial that had had
>>success abroad, and which this season is being shown, dubbed on CBC.
>>I would appreciate info on that show in particular.
>
>I think you're talking about "Les Filles de Caleb."  I don't know
>anything about its foreign sales.  I'll have a look in the TV guide
>tonight to find out the English title.
>>
It's called "Emilie" in English, and is being shown by the CBC
on Wednesdays at 22:00.  A review in this Wednesday's Globe and
Mail said it's a good show, but very badly dubbed.  This review
also repeatedly misspells the name of the show's star, Marina
Orsini, calling her Maria.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: Matrox Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:57:46 GMT

clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:

>Labelling laws are not there to promote national bilingualism.  They
>are there to enforce fair and uniform advertising on consumer goods.

However, it is a symbol of Canada's language duality.  Because it
entails only small sacrifices (translation costs, and the labour of
rotating packages up to 180 degrees), all Canadians should accept it.

--
Thomas Hood                                                     thood@matrox.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8462 can.politics:9580
From: hebrais@mirkwood.CAM.ORG (Philippe Hebrais)
Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
Summary: cryptography, informagic!
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:26:12 GMT
Organization: Secte des adorateurs des semiconducteurs
X-Newsreader: MeNews 2.8.0

[ mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes in article <1992Nov7.084403.14167@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>: ]
>
>In article <1992Nov6.161403.8253@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite) writes:
>[stuff about democracy in ancient Greece]
>
>> [I]t may be that the development of communication technolgy is going
>> to make "direct democracy" viable again.  [...]  However its going to
>> be interesting, in particular, how can one guarantee the integrity of
>> an electronic vote collecting/counting system that is continental in
>> extent?
>
>How can one guarantee the integrity of a non-electronic vote
>collecting/counting system that is continental in extent?

Yep.  It can be done, if everyone has some computing device that
can get information across some network (like the telephone).

This really isn't the forum for discussing cryptography but there
are practical and secure voting schemes around.  These schemes
usually assume that no more than 1/3 of the voters will try to
collaborate to "fix" the election and that all voters will vote
(possibly a blank vote).  Under these simple restrictions,
you can garantee that:

1) noone voted more than once.

2) that there are no ambiguus votes.  An ambiguus vote would
   look like "I vote like <person's name>".  There are
   voting schemes that allow such votes!

3) NOBODY can read your ballot.  Not even the entity tallying the votes!

4) You get a proof that your vote has been registered.

5) You get a proof that the result is correct.
   Some schemes don't tell you how many votes were cast on each
   option but only tell you which option won and proove it.

The problem (there has to be a problem) is that you can't do
this manually.  Everyone must have access to a secure computer
to handle the complex computations and exchanges of information.
An IBM-PC would do fine or one could use smartcards (credit card-size
computers) and a network of voting booths that could look like the
ATMs we are familiar with.

Back to your regularly scheduled flame.

--
      Philippe Hebrais   hebrais@mirkwood.cam.org
   Voix: (514)731-9146   uunet!philmtl!altitude!mirkwood!hebrais
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
From: swayzed@brandonu.ca
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:07:38 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Nov4.040321.7175@athena.cs.uga.edu>, PRICKRIL@bscf.uga.edu (BEN PRICKRIL) writes:
> I'm just curious about the general sentiments of Canadians (ALL Canadians)
> about the results of our elections. Are Canadians pleased to see Clinton
> and Gore winning the election?
> 

Y     Y      EEEEEEE      SSSSSSS   !
 Y   Y       E            S         !
  Y Y        EEEEE        SSSSSSS   !
   Y         E                  S   !
   Y         E                  S
   Y         EEEEEEE      SSSSSSS   !


IMHO, of course.

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!         !         !!!!!!!!!    !!!!!!!!
> Ben Prickril          !  !               ! !        !       !    !
> prickril@bscf.uga.edu !  !              !   !       !            !
> 706-542-2664          !  !!!!          !     !      !            !!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !            !!!!!!!!!     !            !
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-- 
 
David Swayze        | SWAYZED@BrandonU.CA    | Reading furnishes the mind only
Brandon University  | Canada (pokey) Post:   | with materials of knowledge; it
Brandon, Manitoba   | 56 Wilnor Bay          | is thinking which makes what we
Canada              | Brandon, MB, R7B 3H1   | read ours.           John Locke
Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: moric00@DMI.USherb.CA (Chris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Canadian Television Exports List: Request for Updates
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:28:35 GMT
Organization: Depot de Martiens Imposteurs (DMI)

Dans l'article 'Canadian Television Exports List: Request for Updates' CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> ecrit:
-->In article <11NOV92.10246538.0073@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
-->>In article <BxJssM.977.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
-->>>
-->>>I recently heard a radio story about an SRC serial that had had
-->>>success abroad, and which this season is being shown, dubbed on CBC.
-->>>I would appreciate info on that show in particular.
-->>
-->>I think you're talking about "Les Filles de Caleb."  I don't know
-->>anything about its foreign sales.  I'll have a look in the TV guide
-->>tonight to find out the English title.
-->>>
-->It's called "Emilie" in English, and is being shown by the CBC
-->on Wednesdays at 22:00.  A review in this Wednesday's Globe and
-->Mail said it's a good show, but very badly dubbed.  This review
-->also repeatedly misspells the name of the show's star, Marina
-->Orsini, calling her Maria.

	I did whatch it Wednesday, and yes, It is poorly dubbed. I watch
	the entire serie in french (I thought it was very good) but the
	bad dubbing take out half the quality of it.

						Chris.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: So its Clinton/Gore, eh?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:59:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com


In article <bob1.720982232@cos>, bob1@cos.com writes:
> In <1992Nov5.025659.268@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
> 
> Can we please put this BS to bed. PMRC want's recordings with
> *adult* (actually, pretty damn childish IMHO) lyrics to be so
> labeled. They aren't burned in big bonfires, etc. Suppose you
> have a young daughter and buy her a R&R record for a present,
> but you don't know the R&R scene. Wouldn't it be just great
> to hear it for the first time and find all they are singing
> about is [expletive deleted].
> 
> It was *not* censorship, merely *truth in labeling* :-/

Two questions:

	When do they get started on Shakespeare and the Bible?

	Who decides on the label?   Who writes the label for
	Upton Sinclair's books, Zola, Gorky?   Does the label
	say "Recommended: social comment"? or "Warning: socialist
	propaganda"?

You have to be ready to answer questions like that before you
throw words like "truth" around with such gay abandon.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: u8971@cray.com (Ronald Maier)
Subject: mr godfrey
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.thai
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:27:16 CST

>>>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>> It's true, I dislike Canada a great deal.
>>All he does is stir things up and moan and complain about things.  I use
>>the kill file and delete all his posting so I don't know how this one got
>>through.
> 
>I don't know either, but one thing I can say, Laurence is the only person
>I've ever had email from accusing me of having put him in a kill file
>(which I hadn't).  It clearly bothered him.  This was just because I
>happened to post a response that was vaguely similar to one that he had
>made.
> 
>Perhaps this level of paranoia explains his anti-Canada posts too.  There's
>certainly never any substance in his moaning.
> 
>I admit to being mistaken about the kill file - I was confusing you with
>another of my aggressive correspkndents.  I have a modem
>
>Laurence
>
>I've never posted to the USA groups.  Terrible, stirring up things and
>complaining about things - I should better be like the average Canadian and
>totally apathetic and accepting of everything, then everyone will think
>I'm an awfully nice guy.  Why don't we all do that, and the world will
>stand quite still and continue just as it is indefinitely.
>
>Laurence
>
Well I couldn't resist after seeing some of the other postings so I 
removed mr godfrey from my Kill from and went back to check out what
he has said. So mr godfrey which is it am I aggressive or apathetic and
accepting of everything? Lots of people don't think I'm a nice guy
because I do speak my mind and the truth hurts, so what truth's is it
that has hurt you? I don't know what else to say to you from your postings
on this and the thai newsgroup which I read regularly you seem to feel
you have been wronged. Well tough who said life is easy. I have many things
I could moan and complain about but I don't because it is a waste of time,
it changes nothing and hopefully it adds to a person's knowledge and wisdom.
Obviously this has not occured with you. But there is one thing about all of 
this that I do agree with and that is at least speaking out, not complaining!
It is called constructive critism, too bad more people don't know how this
works. Well enough said I'm sure to hear from mr godfrey on this.......
In case you were wondering I didn't make mistakes on capitalizing his name
I only capitalize out of respect and that must be earned not given.

Ron


Disclaimer blahblahblahblahblah..................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rmutton@alfred.carleton.ca (Ross Mutton)
Subject: Re: CRTC & CBC Addresses wanted
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:58:31 GMT

I don't have an address for the CBC ombudsperson, but CBC Head Office
is at Box 8478, 1500 Bronson Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J5.  You
could try writing the President, Gerard Veilleux.  The mailing address
for the CRTC (Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications
Commission) is simply Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0N2.  Chairman is Keith
Spicer; Director General, Television is S. Macdonald.

Is CBC still coming out of CKX in Brandon and are they still running a
twin-stick operation?  i.e., both CBC and CTV out of the same
operation with a transmitter for each?

Ross Mutton
Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
rmutton@ccs.carleton.ca
613-788-3814  FAX 613-788-3928
From: mousseau@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Normand Mousseau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Americans on English schools in Quebec (Was: Quebec)
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:42:38 GMT
Reply-To: mousseau@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Normand Mousseau)
Organization: Michigan State University


In article <BxGGKJ.LtI@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
|> Path: msuinfo!caen!uwm.edu!rpi!utcsri!newsflash.concordia.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!beaurega
|> From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
|> Subject: Re: Americans on English schools in Quebec (Was: Quebec)
|> Message-ID: <BxGGKJ.LtI@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
|> Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin)
|> Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
|> References: <1992Oct30.092855.4519@spxtech.qc.ca> <1992Oct31.162350.7183@netcom.com> <31OCT92.19235315.0022@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
|> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 10:33:55 EST
|> Lines: 23
|> 
|> In article <31OCT92.19235315.0022@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> MD04MXS <MD04MXS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> writes:
|> >if I lived in Quebec, but that would be a decision made by ME--not
|> >by the province. It is one thing for the parents of a child to decide
|> >that their children should receive the bulk of their education in
|> >a language other than their native English. It is another matter
|> >ENTIRELY for the province to unilaterally decide that children will
|> >be educated in a language different from that spoken by the parents.
|> >Whatever happened to parental participation in the educational
|> >process? It seems impossible if the parents can't comprehend what the
|> >kids are doing in school.
|> >
|> 
|> You forget one important point : immigrants choose to move to Quebec.
|> If they don't want education in French, they are free to select any
|> other 9 provinces and 49 states on that continent for English,
|> plus other in Antillas, Belize, Oceania, Africa, etc., plus a lot
|> of other langugaes elsewhere.
|
	
	Je ne suis pas d'accord.  Il y a les immigrants et les refugies.  On
ne peut pas regler cette question seulement en disant: "Si vous n'etes pas
contents, partez donc jouer ailleurs!"  Cette methode ne fait qu'insulter
et coupe toute discussion.  Au contraire, il faut ecouter puis repondre
tranquillement en justifiant ses opinions.  Le genre de reponses ci-haut n'a 
pas sa place dans une discussion civilisee.

		Normand Mousseau
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: MD04MXS <MD04MXS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Quebec civil code (was Re: Quebec Immigration Powers)
Organization: Your MUSIC System
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:15:06 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-22336]: music.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <BxGG76.Lqx@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>In article <30OCT92.22496957.0043@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> MD04MXS <MD04MXS@MUSIC.TCS.TULANE.EDU> writes:
>>PLEASE, do NOT send us any more lawyers! I just checked the New Orleans
>>yellow pages to confirm my suspicions and found that there are 46 PAGES
>>of ads for attorneys (this is in a metro area of 1 million, folks).
>>
>>Maybe it is due to the fact that many of them are trained in civil
>>law (I know of several lawyers who make their practice exclusive to
>>state courts here in Louisiana). Whatever the reason, it is scary.
>>Late night tv around here is FILLED with attorney ads.
>>
>
>To compare, in Montreal Yellow Pages (2-3 millions, depending if we count
>the Metro area, but there are other YP for suburbs).
>
>Avocats (lawiers) :  8 F + 4 E
>Notaries :           3 F + 1.5 E
>Patent Agents:       .25 F + .25 E
>Total, 11.25 in French section, 5.75 in English section, 17 in all,
>but most E is duplicated, so 12 pages is a lot less than those 46 in LA!
>
>He! Louisiana!  Join a Free Quebec and re-use your attorneys!  (-;
>
>
I knew that we were over-supplied with attorneys down here, but I didn't
think that it was THAT bad! Eeeks! (Anybody want us to ship a few to
you up north???)

Ken (Hoping fervently that none of my attorney friends down here are
reading this!!!!)


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Kenneth Milstead                  md04mxs@music.tcs.tulane.edu
Tulane University                 "Who am I ? Why am I here ?"
New Orleans, Louisiana            Adm. James Stockdale--Oct 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.food.cooking
From: colette@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Colette Goodyear)
Subject: Re: How to get Newfoundland food in the US?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:10:31 GMT

[Looking for Newfoundland foodstuffs.]
 
>silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert) writes:
>>Cloudberries are called "bakeapples" in Newfoundland, so try that name.
>>But be warned, even in the areas where they grow they are VERY expensive!
>
>>Black Horse is exported at least as far as Nova Scotia.
>
>>Most communities with large Newfie populations (Halifax, Toronto, etc.)
>>have stores, but the ones I have seen are small and probably don't do
>>mail orders.
>

Carlos writes:
>Why not try a company right here in Newfoundland?  I'm sure you'd
>be able to find someone who would do mail order.  And if it's a case
>of Blackhorse you want, I'll send it to you ;-)

Purity Factories won't ship small orders unfortunately, but I agree,
try some of the other firms here in St. John's or the specialty
stores on the mainland.  I'll call Purity and get some of the
mailing addresses for you.

Seriously, I'll send you the hardtack if you send me your address.  Any recipes
or other things you'd like?  Try the brewis with sugar and milk
or cinnamon too.  (BTW, I do have a recipe for making your own
hardtack.)  Try rec.food.cooking too.  I posted some traditional
Newfoundland recipes there a while ago under the subject "Steamed
Puddings."  As for bakeapples, _good luck_! They weren't too plentiful
this year and they're very dear (translation:  very expensive).
You might be able to get partridgeberries though.  I think
they grow in Minnesota (low-bush cranberries) and on the West
Coast (where they're called salmon berries, so some one informed me).

Colette Goodyear
Memorial University
(you know where by now)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada