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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ottawa & Tampa Bay Addresses?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 23:13:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
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Does anyone have the addresses for Ottawa and Tampa Bay?
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
"I would like to thank the vice president, ...the television academy,
and the members of the cultural elite." - Candice Bergen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Helmet rule (was Re: 3 New rules was 2 New Rules ???)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:59:47 GMT

In article <farenebt.714835405@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:

>I disagree with the helmet rule but I doubt that too many players will
>shed theirs (although I could be wrong).
 
I think the NHL powers that be are working on the same assumption as you, Bri.
While they're giving players the right to choose, they're hoping the majority
will stick with the helmets.

But there will be players that will shed their helmets.  And if one of 
them suffers a head injury,  and if it's serious, you can bet the mandatory
helmet rule will be back in place next season.

I saw nothing wrong with the mandatory helmet rule.  But the players are 
adults, and are capable of making decisions.  If they feel that the benefits
of playing without a helmet outweighs the risks, then they should have the 
right to go without.  If they want to risk becoming a veg, so be it.

Lori

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: vipin@regina.cs.uregina.ca (vipin)
Subject: Re: Random thoughts on the new rules
Reply-To: vipin@regina.cs.uregina.ca.uregina.ca (vipin)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:55:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.223928.601@access.usask.ca> coulman@cs.Usask.CA writes:
>High sticking moved down to the waist:
>
>The biggest problem for the players will be learning not to do the normal
>"Stick the blade of your stick in the other guy's stomach and hang on for
>the ride" style of back-checking.  I can see this one really slowing games
>down for a while, possibly to the point that the league will vote to not
>adopt it for the regular season.
>
>Randy

Maybe someone can clarify this rule to me?  If high-sticking is moved down
to the waist, is it a discretionary call by the ref, or is it automatic like
the current rule?  If it is automatic, then what happened to hooking or
slashing?  Also if it is automatic, wouldn't it be in your favour to get your
'little' player to skate into a big ones stick (ie. Mario Lemieux relaxes and
lifts his stick up to the waist, so Fleury skates over and hits Lemieux's
stick.  With the height difference, it should become high-sticking, and you
are rid of Lemieux for a couple of minutes.)?

Vip

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Re: ULFIE, an unappreciated artisan.
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:26:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.212730.11384@tamsun.tamu.edu> mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael David Slater         ) writes:

>I don't know what you mean.  No one sees Ulf for what he really is -- 
>a craftsmen of the ice.  I think it is only logical that a brilliant
>ice-smith such as Ulf would use armour to protect himself from thugs like
>Neely, et al, predators of the rink.  I consider the unsolicited and
>undeserved cheap style of play Neely et al persecute him with eminently
>comparable to the Vandals and Visigoths sacking the artwork of Rome. 

Oh, give it a rest already!!  There is nothing spectacular about Oaf's
play, and the only reason he is a target is because he is such a big
p*ssy.  He just loves to start crap with others, only to run and hide
(look what happened when perennial Lady Byng candidate Mike Gartner was
being molested by Oaf, and when no penalty was called, Gartner whacked
him across the arm.  If someone did that to me, I would have torn off
his head and shit down his throat....  Ulf just walked away, afraid of
little Mikey...).  If you really do think that he is the cat's meow, I
feel sorry for you.  Idolize a REAL defenseman, such as Ray Bourque or
Scott Stevens.

>In fact, I would hope that the next coach is a better advocate for Ulf,
>and arranges to find an enforcer to protect Ulf, much like Mario has
>protection.  

O.K., your post takes today's award for most comical.  Keep 'em
coming!!

-JPC

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From: enyart@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian S Enyart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: 'Diving' Rule
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:39:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Quick question for all you Pens fans:

With the advent of this new 'diving' rule, what are the Pens gonna do
with Lemieux in the box all the time? :-)

Brian Enyart
enyart@ecn.purdue.edu
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey Poll
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:12:05 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)


>        Pre-Season Hockey Pool
>
>1.  Who will win the Stanley Cup?

>4.  Will the Rangers ever win another Stanley Cup?

I'll restake my previous season's prediction: Rangers over Jets in 6.
They now have Phil Bourque; if they can add Steve Yzerman, it'll be a
fait accompli.  And, I'm not a Rangers fan ...

gld
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: 2 New Rules ???
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:20:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.075454.14134@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Ryan.J.Victor@dartmouth.edu (Ryan J. Victor) writes:
>I can't beleive this league. No matter how much I think about it, I
>can't justify making helmets optional. This seems to be a case of the
>league putting TV interests ahead of the safety of the players and
>that, in my opinion, is absolutely inexcusable. The NFL would never
>make helmets optional ( yes, I know you can tell who's who by their
>position: I'm just trying to make a point). It's ridiculous to say that
>the league is going to crack down on high sticking to protect the
>players and then turn around and tell them that they don't have to wear
>helmets. What have they been smoking?

Most players are going to still wear helmets...the sticks went up
because of helmets and visors, and led to much less respect between
hockey players.

How does the saying go...

...soccer is a sport for men played by animals...rugby is a sport
for animals played by honorable men...

Hockey should fall into the second category, but the helmets and visors
and stickwork make it more like soccer.  Helmetless hockey requires
honorable play...which is good for the game...since the advent of
helmets and visors, stickwork to the head and other types of less
honorable play have proliferated...

If the NHL is serious about reducing stickwork, a helmet becomes
less of a necessity.                                           

Gerald
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Random thoughts on the new rules
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:37:24 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <UedG1de00iUzQ5plgd@andrew.cmu.edu>, Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> Tom Sullivan writes:
> 
>>> Diving rule:
>> 
>>This is going to be a tough one to call.  It'll only be used on obvious
>>dives, it is just far too subjective a thing.
> 
> I suspect Mario Lemieux's penalty minutes will increase substantially
> this season.
> 
I wonder if they will.  Mario does a lot of those make-it-look-good dives,
when an opponent actually does hook him a little bit, and Mario tries
to make it looked like he hooked him a lot.  How will the refs call this
type of incident? Two apiece? Diver only? Hooker only? Visitor only?
The calls could get weird!
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (CS4cb3)
Subject: Re: HATS OFF AND STICKS DOWN
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:40:47 GMT

In article <allan.714941505@muskeg-rv> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>
>Well, there were about 5 or 6 players who played without a helmet last
>year. Many of them held the same opinion... Opposing players are more
>careful around you when you don't where a helmet. (That according
>to Brad Marsh.)
>

Players:

Craig McTavish - Edmonton Oilers
Rod Langway - Washington Capitals
Randy Carlysle - Winnipeg Jets
Doug Wilson - San Jose Sharks
Brad Marsh - Detroit Red Wings

Peter Granic
From: hamlet@milton.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Next posting of r.s.h FAQ
Summary: next posting will be 15 Sep 92
Keywords: FAQ posting
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:21:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I will be on holidays from now (4 Sep 92) until 14 Sep 92.

When I return, I will post my first edition of the FAQ.

If there is anything you would like to have included, please
e-mail me before Monday, 14 Sep 92.  Please include "r.s.h FAQ"
in you Subject: line so I don't miss anything.

Posting will be done (if there aren't too many submissions) on
Tue 15 Sep 92.

Thanks you.


--
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and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman)
Subject: Random thoughts on the new rules
Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:39:28 GMT

Game misconduct for the instigator:

I see this call as being quite subjective, and since the penalty for it is
so stiff, I can't see the refs actually calling this penalty too much, 
except for the very obvious cases.

High sticking moved down to the waist:

The biggest problem for the players will be learning not to do the normal
"Stick the blade of your stick in the other guy's stomach and hang on for
the ride" style of back-checking.  I can see this one really slowing games
down for a while, possibly to the point that the league will vote to not
adopt it for the regular season.

Helmets optional rule:

I don't know what to make of this rule.  I can see both sides of the issue,
but I'm not sure where I sit.  Don Cherry has been saying for years that if
the players weren't wearing full body armor, the sticks wouldn't have 
started coming up.  That may or may not be true.  Even if it is true, it 
doesn't automatically imply that they'll come back down when people take off
the helmets.  Also, since kids have to wear helmets from the time they start
playing until they reach the NHL, I can't see many of them taking them off
at that point.

4-on-4 rule:

I like this change.  I like the wide open play that results from 4 on 4 
play.  I may be biased since I was an Oilers fan when they first implemented
the rule to play full strength with coincidental minors.

Diving rule:

A good rule, I think.  This one also has the potential to slow the game down.
I can also see situations like in football.  "Gee, now was that offside on the
defence, or illegal procedure on the offence?"  Now, it'll be: "Gee, was that 
tripping or holding, or was it a dive?"  I still think I like this rule, 
though.  I can see the subjective nature of calling it becoming a problem,
though.

These are just my opinions.  Feel free to agree or disagree.  

Randy
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                                |       Department of Computational Science
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Damphouse
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:17:35 GMT

> >But in any case, according to the Habs mailing list, the
> Oilers jus traded 
> >his rights to Montreal for Shayne Corson, Brent Gilchrist,
> and a Cech winger 
>   
> So who do you people feel got the better deal, Edmonton
> or Montreal?    I'm not too familar with Corson or Gilchrist,
> but off hand, I'd have            
> 
> to say Edmonton got the better deal...        
 
Vinnie is a play-making magic-man -- not to mention a native of 
Montreal.
 
I think he may make the difference in Montreal's stalling offence.  SO
who will he play with?  Courtnall?  What about that rumor I heard 
early in the summer that the Habs were trying to get Daniel Marios?
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca<>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: John Davidson's comments on new rule changes
Keywords: new rules, John Davidson
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:59:56 GMT

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:

>How about this for an idea: Make it a 60 MINUTE suspension.  This prevents
>the tendency to "go for broke" in the last 4 minutes of a game, making a
>game misconduct meaningless.

>By this system, if you were tossed 15 minutes into period 1, you'd miss the
>rest of that game, and not be allowed onto the bench in your team's NEXT
>game until 15 minutes into the first.

>This would make duration of suspension consistent.  I'm not saying it would
>necessarily be the best thing for THIS rule, but it might make game
>misconducts in general a more significant punishment.

But which game would you give the suspension for? Would the player
sit out part of the next game he played (in which case you are giving
an advantage to a team which doesn't deserve it), or should the player
sit out part of the next game involving both teams?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Damphouse wants out of EDM!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:46:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.214003.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Vince Damphouse wants *OUT* of Edmonton, according to what I read in 
>the paper today.
> 
>The article said that Damphouse is a total free agent and can go 
>where-ever he wants.  It seems 5 teams are interested in him.  I know 
>that Montreal was trying to sign him, but what are the other teams?

>Please say TORONTO!

No way.  Think that he'd sign for a team that gave him away for pocket change?

But in any case, according to the Habs mailing list, the Oilers just traded
his rights to Montreal for Shayne Corson, Brent Gilchrist, and a Czech winger
whose name eludes me at the moment.  The key is that Damphousse is *not*
an unrestricted free agent; he's a free agent with compensation, so he is
worth a lot to Montreal even if they can't sign him.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Contract correction on Bourque
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:12:25 GMT

>Phil Bourque did indeed sign a multi-year contract, but for a total of 1.8
>million overall, not 1.+ per year.  It's a four year deal.   (I still think
>that's too much for Bourque.)

Yes, but will his wife also be going to New York? Just think, with her
in attendance, the Rangers could sell out every night ;-)


Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: bruins
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:14:07 GMT

leone@wpi.WPI.EDU (David M Leone) wrote:
>I think fans should look to this year as a rebuilding year, and follow
>Providence closely.

Well, I won't be following Providence from down here, but a rebuilding year
means another 84-90 points and 6 months of enjoyable hockey. I can live with
that. It's probably good enough for a 2nd place playoff spot (as if that was
important).

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL HOLDUP
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:08:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.161138.17735@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>>... it seems there may have been
>>no formal NHL-SportsChannel America contract last season, only an
>>informal agreement that may give SCA a right to match ESPN's offer.
>
>Actually, according to the Times, neither the 3 year/$51 Million deal
>nor the 4th year/$5.5 Million deal were ever signed, just voted on and
>approved by the NHL's Board.  While the league may try to use that as
>an "out", SCA has a strong case that it's "in" because both sides
>acted according to the deal and money was exchanged, validating the
>contract (I seem to remember this line from "The Paper Chase", too).
>Technically, the NHL could have bailed at any time otherwise ...
>

I wonder...can the NHL write in conditions into the new deal with
ABC/ESPN that SC cannot match, like for example number of households
the signal must reach.

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: >FAQ
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:04:23 GMT

> New York Rangers

They lost promising forward Rob Zamuner to Tampa Bay. He played in Binghamton
(AHL) the last 2 years.

> A privately financed $175 million, one million-square-foot building will
> replace the existing 250,000 square-foot Chicago Stadium. Most of the
> increased area will come in extra-wide concourses, skyboxes and restaurants.
> The new stadium, scheduled for completion in Sept '94, will have seating for
> 20,500 hockey fans. It also will include a 325-seat private arena club and 216
> luxury suites, each with its own concourse, entrance and parking.
 
But they couldn't find room for the world's largest pipe organ! Hmph!

>]In the US, ABC will air up to 6 weekend matinees. ESPN will air upto 20
>]Friday night and Sunday night games, and will show playoffs including the
>]Stanley Cup finals. SportsChannel may be showing upto 35 games plus early
>]playoffs.

Has this been OFFICIALLY announced yet?

> AHL's 1992 Calder Cup: The Adirondack Red Wings beat the St. John's Maple
> Leafs 4 games to 3. The home-ice curse held true as all games in the final
> were won by the visiting team. 
 
Yay!!!

> 1991-92 World Junior Hockey Championships in Germany
>                  W L T Pts  GF  GA
> Gold    CIS      6 1 0  12  39  13
> Silver  Sweden   5 1 1  11  41  24
> Bronze  USA      5 2 0  10  30  22
>         Finland  3 3 1   7  21  21
>         Czech    3 4 0   6  28  24
>         Canada   2 3 2   6  21  30
[...]

Aren't the Canadians the SELF-PROCLAIMED kings of hockey? Even with
Lindros, the finished 6th. They haven't won an Olympic gold medal since
1952. This was the first year that they won a medal AND finished higher
than the Americans in the same Olympics. Do they have the best pros? Yes,
but they are no longer the sole source of great pros. The Americans certainly
proved their mettle at the Canada Cup this year. They didn't beat the
Canadians but they weren't demolished either. 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: RE: Attention AHL fans 
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:16:14 GMT

> I am looking for a list of AHL players who have been traded
> or signed with other organizations (or independentteams)
> or in Euroe or were taken in the expansion draft.  
 
St.John's Co-Captain Greg Johnston was signed to a team in a German 
league.  
 
Super-cool Andrew McKim signed to the Boston Bruins -- congrats Bruins 
fans!  You're in for a treat.
 
Other Co-Captain Len Esau was traded to Quebec.
 
Stephen Leaf, err... Legge
 
GO LEAFS!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: JETS Training Camp Roster
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:01:01 GMT


 
 
   Winnipeg Jets Training Camp Roster
   ----------------------------------
 
Goaltenders
 
 1. Mike O'Neill
30. Stephane Beaureguard
31. Rick Tabaracci
33. Sean Gauthier
35. Bob Essensa
41. Mark Richards
 
Defencemen
 
 3. Sergei Bautin
 4. Fredrik Olausson
 5. Igor Ulanov
 6. Phil Housley
 8. Randy Carlyle
22. Mike Lalor
26. Dean Kennedy
27. Teppo Numminen
32. Rick Hayward
39. Mark Visheau
42. Olag Mikulchik
44. Dan Lambert
45. Anatoli Fedetov
52. Dallas Eakins
55. Rob Cowie
 
Forwards
 
 7. Keith Tkachuk
10. Alexei Zhamnov
11. Evgeny Davydov
12. Alan Kerr
14. Stu Barnes
15. Pat Elynuik
16. Ed Olczyk
18. Bryan Erickson
19. Troy Murray
20. Andrei Raisky
21. Russ Romaniuk
23. Teemu Selanne
25. Thomas Steen
28. Bob Joyce
34. Darrin Shannon
36. Mike Eagles
37. John LeBlanc
38. Luciano Borsato
43. Tod Hartje
46. Ken Grenander
47. Jeremy Stevenson
48. Jason Cirone
49. Pavel Kostichkin
50. Rob Murray
51. Scott Levins
60. Craig Martin
91. Kris Draper
 

===============================================================    
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Ulanov up to Davydov, over to Zhamnov, he shoots, he scores! 
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