HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: svfenge@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Steven Fenger)
Subject: Re: SONY NEWS WORKSTATION
Organization: The Great Beyond
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:19:06 GMT

In article <5828@balrog.ctron.com> gdelong@ctron.com (Gary Delong) writes:
>I've been asked about a "SONY NEWS WORKSTATION".
>
>It was suggested that it is a SPARC clone,
>
>Can anyone fill me in on this box?

Don't know too much about it, but it is absolutely NOT a SPARC clone.
What it actually is I'm not sure.  The last time I heard it hadn't
gotten outside of the Asian market.

I do know that a trade mark violation with Sony News was the reason Sun
spelled NeWS like they did.  I also don't know if Sony News is like Sun
NeWS.
-- 
Steven Fenger    fenger@cps.msu.edu    svfenge@afterlife.ncsc.mil
What for you bury me in the cold, cold ground?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Subject: Re: Problem running tsch in a cmdtool
Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:59:32 GMT

In article <mlg.721493518@volvo>, mlg@siemens.com. (Michael Greenberg) writes:
|> When I run tcsh in a command tool I find that the input editing
|> doesn't seem to work correctly---the input isn't redisplayed correctly
|> after certain editing commands. tcsh does seem to work correctly in
|> the shelltool.  My guess is that both tcsh and cmdtool interpret the
|> editing commands and get each other confused.
|> 
|> Any ideas on how to get tcsh to work correctly in cmdtool?

This is an excerpt from the FAQ for tcsh that is a part of the
distribution:

6.  I am using SunView/OpenWindows and editing is screwed up. In 
    particular my arrow keys and backspace don't work right. What 
    am I doing wrong?

    Well, cmdtool tries to do its own command line editing and the
    effect you get is one of using an editor inside an editor. Both
    try to interpret the arrow key sequences and cmdtool wins since
    it gets them first. The solutions are in my order of preference:

        1 Don't use suntools
        2 Use shelltool instead of cmdtool.
        3 Unset edit in tcsh.

My favorite solution is to use xterm but then I am not a supporter of
openwindows in any way.

-- 

Michael Salmon

#include	<standard.disclaimer>
#include	<witty.saying>
#include	<fancy.pseudo.graphics>

Ericsson Telecom AB
Stockholm
From: tda10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: compiling X sources
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:33:15 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1chk2sINNlgl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, at018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Houston) writes:
|> 
|> Is there an FAQ list somehwere that will tell me how to compile and
|> imake under OpenWindows when you're. Most PD X software expects the X
|> distribution to be somehwere other than where Sun puts it and the whole
|> thing has me confused. any help would be appreciated....

My guess is that you have OpenWindows 2 or less.  This provides a fairly minimal
X11 installation.  I strongly recommend that you obtain OpenWindows version 3. 
This provides most of the tools assumed by PD X11.  A better solution would be to
get the MIT distribution itself, but that's a bigger decision.

A reasonably complete X11 installation ought to make PD software building and
installation, on your own workstation, as easy as:

Read the README
Check the Imakefile
xmkmf (possibly -a if the package is complex)
make
make install
make install.man

Tim.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: Sun's responsiveness to non-maintenance customers
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:59:34 GMT

In article <Bx7nB2.9s@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> pete@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantua) writes:

>I asked recently on the news about diagnosing hardware problems, but
>haven't had any replies yet.  Does anyone have any info on diagnosing
>trouble (I wanted it for some sun3's we have but I expect we will need
>it some time for the sparcs.
>

Well, I wasn't reading this group at the time but I can tell you the
way a tech normally diagnoses trouble (having been one for 8 years.)

1. Make a guess

2. If there is any possible way it could be the power supply check voltages.
    You don't want to fry anything in step 3.

3. Swap components.  This of course only works if you have spare components
    or a spare machine.  Since most of the new workstations don't have very
    many parts this shouldn't take long.

   A typical parts list is: power supply, motherboard, RAM, vidio card,
    monitor.

If you are going to do this either have an electronics type person do it
or learn about safety procedures for Electro-Static Discharge (ESD) and 
electronics safety procedures in general.

Actually, the first thing to check for is operator error.  Is it plugged in?
Is everything on?

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu

standard disclaimer applies
Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.misc:5242 comp.sys.sun.wanted:1788 comp.sys.sun.hardware:5571
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Disk MIRRORing for a Sparc II or "Sparc Classic"
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:37:05 GMT
Organization: cic

karl@ttank.ttank.com (Karl Bunch) writes:

>The subject about says it all.  We need to find a Disk Mirroring system
>for a customer.  I know Sun "used" to have a "Sparc Server Manager" that
>would allow us to do this.  However latest word from Sun is they don't
>have anything like that now.  

SPARcserver manager has been dropped. What you want is in Online DiskSuite.
ODS does mirroring, concatenation, and striping.

>We would prefer a H/W solution.  Something very transparent would be nice.

Look at RAID boxes. But keep in mind that these *increase* the likelihood
of a subsystem failure due to more components, unless you add more
redundancy than just a parity disk as in RAID 3. You need dual power
supplies and dual controllers.

I have used two 1.3 GB disks from Sun on their own SCSI bus (one onboard,
one SBus) with ODS. If you want you can do a three-way mirror the same way.
You can even add hot spares.

The speed loss doue to ODS is marginal I heard. RAIDs are slow in the general
case. Some can get you good sequential performance. I have yet to see a
RAID that is usable with a database, exactly the major application to
*want* failure resilience. A RAID is also *much* more expensive than
the same number of disks bought separately, plus some additional SCSI
host adapters, plus ODS.
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From: pln@egret0.Stanford.EDU (Patrick L. Nolan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Problem running tsch in a cmdtool
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:43:27 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Reply-To: pln@egret0.Stanford.EDU
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Bruce Barnett (barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov12.075932.4600@ericsson.se> etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:
: >	   1 Don't use suntools
: >	   2 Use shelltool instead of cmdtool.
: >	   3 Unset edit in tcsh.

This disables the most desireable feature of tcsh, as far as I'm
concerned.

: 	   4 run script
: 	   5 rlogin `hostname`

Neither of these helps.  Whenever I use ^P to back up the command
history, the command line gets corrupted after about 3 or 4 times,
the same as for "naked" tcsh.  I've seen these things suggested 
many times.  Doesn't anybody actually test these ideas?

: 	   6 use mouse-based textedit/style editing cmdtool already provides

--
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*   W. W. Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory (HEPL)       * 
*   Stanford University                                       *
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From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun's responsiveness to non-maintenance customers
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:22:05 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.ubc.ca

rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:

>In article <books.85.0@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu> books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books) writes:
>>In article <Bx7nB2.9s@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> pete@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantua) writes:
>>
>>>Does anyone have any info on diagnosing trouble 
>>>it some time for the sparcs.
>>
>>   A typical parts list is: power supply, motherboard, RAM, vidio card,
>>    monitor.

>And don't forget to check cables: first check for good solid connections and 
>then, if those look OK, the cables themselves.

Actually, the first thing I'd look at is software. of the problems we've
had most have been software ( even theough they looked like hardware)
and one was the disk cable ( an internal short- I happened to have
another one which was good).
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes - SMCC/CTE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Disk MIRRORing for a Sparc II or "Sparc Cla
Date: 12 Nov 1992 01:26:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com

In article 3435@ttank.ttank.com, karl@ttank.ttank.com (Karl Bunch) writes:
>  I know Sun "used" to have a "Sparc Server Manager" that
>would allow us to do this.  However latest word from Sun is they don't
>have anything like that now. 

The replacement for SSM is called "Online: DiskSuite".  It does mirroring,
striping, and concatenation.

--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Mark Barnes, System Engineer    |  <insert standard disclaimers here>
SUN Microsystems Computer Corp. |
Corporate Technical Escalations |  I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA             |  not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM      |
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: wdg@uncc.edu (doug gullett)
Subject: Re: SparcStation 10 and multiprocessing
Reply-To: wdg@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:35:50 GMT


On a related topic, we are running 4 processors on our 690 (SunOS 4.1.2).
We were told by our Sun Rep that SunOS 4.1.3 was not tested (nor supports)
more than one processor on the 690.  What gives??  We know that SunOS 5.x
is required for 'better' performance using multiprocessing but why would
4.1.3 be a step backward?  At what point is multiple processors supported
on the 690 Solaris 2.[01]??

Any input would be appreciated.

	thanks,
	Doug Gullett
	
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rss19@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Richard S Sucgang)
Subject: Re: Cleaning fluids for monitors
Reply-To: rss19@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Richard S Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:25:52 GMT

I just use 95% Ethanol, with  some KimWipes (tm).
Seems to work...

-rich
rss19@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: wayne@world.East.Sun.COM (Wayne Gifford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Washing DC area SUG Announcemnt
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:08:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: giff@world.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: world.east.sun.com



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	Exabyte, Inc.
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We're directly across the street from the Dunn Loring metro stop
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Subject: Re: SparcStation 10 and multiprocessing
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:09:53 GMT

In article <Bx8wFr.4yC@unccsun.uncc.edu> wdg@uncc.edu says:
: 
: On a related topic, we are running 4 processors on our 690 (SunOS 4.1.2).
: We were told by our Sun Rep that SunOS 4.1.3 was not tested (nor supports)
: more than one processor on the 690.  What gives??  We know that SunOS 5.x
: is required for 'better' performance using multiprocessing but why would
: 4.1.3 be a step backward?  At what point is multiple processors supported
: on the 690 Solaris 2.[01]??

Whee.  This is an even more confusing issue.  With the introduction of
the Viking processors (the new fast CPUs in the SS10s) there are 6 690
configurations.  These are:

690-120    2 processors. Cypress CPUs  (Galaxy)
690-140    4 processors. Cypress CPUs  (Galaxy)
690-30     1 processor. TI CPU  (Viking)
690-41     1 processor. TI CPU  (Viking)
690-52     2 processors. TI CPUs  (Viking)
690-54     4 processors. TI CPUs  (Viking)

    (I'm fairly sure that there isn't a 690-20 to match the SS10-20 but
    I could be wrong about that)

The first four systems on this list can run 4.1.3.  The last two, like
their SS10 counterparts, require 5.x.

So your Rep (or your understanding of him/her) was half right (or half
wrong depending on your perspective).  4.1.3 supports multiprocessor
690s...but it doesn't support the NEW multiprocessor 690s.

--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
From: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SUN Sparc1 VME bus
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:18:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsequitur

In article lg3d2oINNab8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, narad@nonsequitur.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck Narad) writes:
>In article 1755@ifi.unizh.ch, maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis) writes:
>>Hi all!
>>
>>How fast is the VME bus in a SUN sparc 1?
>>Suppose I have two special purpose cards in separate slots, one for
>>external data acquisition and another for data processing. How fast can
>>I transfer data from one card to the other over the VME bus?
>>
>>regards,
>>Martin
>>-- 
>>Silvano Maffeis       CS Dept. University of Zurich, Switzerland
>>   RFC822: maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch            voice: +411 257 43 27
>>   X.400: /S=maffeis/OU=ifi/O=unizh/PRMD=SWITCH/ADMD=ARCOM/C=CH/
>
>
>Very slow :-)    Sparcstation 1 doesn't have a VMEbus, it only
>has SBus.
>


Sorry, I forgot to complete the answer.  If you have a system with a VMEbus,
such as the Sun-4/330, 4/490, or SS690MP, the data transfer rate between
two cards on the bus (not the CPU card) is purely dictated by which VME mode
those two cards use to communicate (i.e. word transfer, burst transfer), how
the card acting as master does its arbitration requests (bus holding, overlapped
arbitration, drop-and-request) and the clock rates and synchronization strategy
of the VME interfaces of those two cards.  This is pure VME spec; the Sun CPU only
participates in the arbitration for the bus, and if it is not attempting to access
the VMEbus then the transfer rate between the other two cards is independent
of the CPU.

regards,
chuck/

Newsgroups: netcom.general,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: benoist@netcom.com (Tom Benoist)
Subject: Just Curious [WAS Sun speeds]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:17:18 GMT

Well, I couldnt resist downloading csh.1 from netcom and 
trying it on the SGI indigo R3000......


.\" @(#)csh.1 1.85 90/02/15 SMI; from UCB 4.3

timex nroff -man csh.1 > /dev/null

real        5.37
user        5.06
sys         0.07

time nroff -man csh.1 > /dev/null
5.160u 0.070s 0:05.44 96.1% 0+0k 0+2io 0pf+0w

I hear a lot of big scientific laboratories buy sgi's just
for the roff. :)

-- 
Tom Benoist -> benoist@netcom.com
From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: SONY NEWS WORKSTATION
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:08:54 GMT
Organization: cic

svfenge@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Steven Fenger) writes:

>In article <5828@balrog.ctron.com> gdelong@ctron.com (Gary Delong) writes:
>>I've been asked about a "SONY NEWS WORKSTATION".
>>
>>It was suggested that it is a SPARC clone,
>>
>>Can anyone fill me in on this box?

>Don't know too much about it, but it is absolutely NOT a SPARC clone.
>What it actually is I'm not sure.  The last time I heard it hadn't
>gotten outside of the Asian market.

The first Sony News boxes used 68030, I believe. They later switched
to MIPS. The Sony News line is no longer marketed in Europe. I believe
Sony stoppped this business. It never took off.

>I do know that a trade mark violation with Sony News was the reason Sun
>spelled NeWS like they did.  I also don't know if Sony News is like Sun
>NeWS.

Sun's NeWS predates Sony's News. The MiXEd cAPiTAlisATion is a marketing
gimmick. NeWS means Network extensible Window System. Don't ask me why
"extensible" is not capitalized. Maybe they thought it's only "a little
extensible" ;-)
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Newsgroups: netcom.general,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Subject: Re: Sun speeds
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:06:56 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <1992Nov03.141029.14861@einoed.in-berlin.de> alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne) writes:
>bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
>
>>Here are some benchmark comparisons between the Sun SS10/41 and HP9000/735:
>
>>Dhrystone 1.1 (Yes I know 2.1 is better but the vendors use 1.1 so that's
>>what we use too to check their numbers):
>
>>With registers and optimization, 500000 iterations
>>HP9000/735	203252 Dhrystones/sec
>>Sun SS10	118577 Dhrystones/sec
>
>Hmmm. We got about ~136000 RO Dhrystones/sec on a SS10/30 with Dhrystone 
>2.1, compiled with gcc 2.X/SunOS 4.1.3, 500000 iterations.

The results I reported were obtained on a SPARCstation 10,
SuperSPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_beta_1.2, 40 Mhz 128 MB RAM, 1.3 GB disk.
Compilation was made with: acc -O4 -Bstatic  

>
>I would guess that the SS10/41 scores more a bit more than 150000 RO 
>Dhrystones.

Since I have not been able to run gcc on either the HP9000/735 or the
Sun SS10 I cannot comment on this.


Bo
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From: toomajia@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Toomajian)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:50:06 GMT
Subject: Help Again! HP LJIIP on Sparc2
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc

I posted the item below yesterday.  I've appended an error message found in the
spooling directory.  

Does anyone know what "psif: printer sync problem [3] (%%[ pagecount: 1, 623 2 ]%%"
means and possibly how to fix it?

>I have an HP LaserJet IIP with 4MB of RAM and an HP PostScript Cartridge, hooked up
>to the serial port on a Sparc2.  I'm able to print text files, using the enscript
>command from the Sun Transcript software. I can also print small PostScript files from
>Cadence Artist with no problem. I'm unable to print large CAD files, say 200KB and up
>because the printing daemon dies.  When I do an lpq,  I get an error that the printer
>			mark_toomajian@sj.hp.com
>
>Thanks in advance.


sanjay# cat errsa00517
psif: abpcad:ebeam ma start - Thu Nov  5 09:45:10 1992
ppsif: printer sync problem [2] (%%[ pagecount: 1, 623 1 ]%%
)
psif: printer sync problem [3] (%%[ pagecount: 1, 623 2 ]%%
)
psif: error writing to printerNo such device or address
psif: unexpected EOF from printer (listening)!
psif: end - Thu Nov  5 09:47:17 1992
From: pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas x4629)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Clipping with XGL
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:58:25 GMT
Organization: ICEM Systems, Inc.

Does anyone know how to clip to a non-rectangular region with XGL?
The best that I can figure out is that XGL only allows 2D clipping
to rectangular areas, not arbitrary regions.

For example, I want the window to look like this:

_______________________________________________________
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                 geometry here                       |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                  --------------------
|                                  |                  |
|                                  |                  |
|                                  |    text here     |
|                                  |                  |
|                                  |                  |
|                                  --------------------
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
-------------------------------------------------------

therefore the masking region would look like a fat C:

_______________________________________________________
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                  --------------------
|                                  |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|                                  --------------------
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
|                                                     |
-------------------------------------------------------

Unfortunately, the best that XGL seems to be able to do is use
rectangular clipping areas :-(

BTW, I can't solve this problem by drawing the geometry and then
drawing the text.  I just takes too long.  Also, I need to handle
rubberbanding that doesn't cross the text area at all.

What I wouldn't give for overlay planes.

My machine is a SS2 with a GS card, SunOS 4.1.3, OW3.0, etc...

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