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From: vassilis@iastate.edu (Vassilis Charmandaris)
Subject: Re: Greek and Roman Mythology (A question about
Originator: vassilis@pv7413.vincent.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:25:50 GMT

In <14pnksINNjav@network.ucsd.edu> garyh@sdsc.edu (Gary Hanyzewski) writes:

>In article 33171@watson.ibm.com, yozzo@watson.ibm.com () writes:
>>> :From what I've read of Greek and Roman mythology, it appears to me
>>> :that the Roman Mythology is borrowed (other words could be used)
>>> :from the Greeks.  The Romans then renamed all the gods.

>. stuff deleted ..

>>> 
>>> :                                             And likewise for the
>>> :following pairs:  Hera-Juno, Artemis-Diana, Hermes-Mercury, Cronus-Saturn,
>>> :Hades-Pluto, Aphrodite-Venus, Poseidon-Neptune, Hephaestus-Vulcan,
>>> :Ares-Mercury, Athena-Minerva, Demeter-?.  Hestia-?, ?-Uranus, ...
    ##############
>>> :from the Greeks.  The Romans then renamed all the gods.

>	Demeter-Ceres,  Hestia-Vesta 


 It is : Ares -> Mars
         Uranos -> Uranus (= the sky)


 Regards,

 Vassilis.

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From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Apollodorus in hiding
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:49:19 GMT
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In-reply-to: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu's message of 24 Jul 92 18:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.130618.1@wharton.upenn.edu> millerl@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

   I've been looking for a copy of Apollodorus' Mythology or whatever your
   favorite translation for the title is without succeeding at it. Are
   there any commonly available translations out there? Who prints them?

It's called The Library.  There is a two volume edition, with the
Greek text en face, with a commentary by J.G. Frazer and an index.
This is a wonderful reference work.  This is part of the Loeb
Classical Library.  One of the two volumes was out of print/stock for
a while but I believe it's available again.  You should be able to
special order this if it's not regularly in stock at your local
booksellers.

There is also a more recent translation.  However, it has neither the
Greek nor the commentary and is much less useful (in my opinion).  If
you're interested, I'll post the publication information.

-30-
Bob
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Help with Fates
Date: 24 Jul 1992 04:57:00 GMT
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In-reply-to: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 21:01:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.210101.8375@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:

   Can someone please tell me what the names of the three Fates
   were, and which one did which job? Thanks very much.

Clotho - spins the thread of a person's life
Lachesis - measures it out
Atropos - wields the shears and cuts the thread

-30-
Bob
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Odin's stolen drink
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:26:03 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <loren.159.0@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu> loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller) writes:
>I was leafing through the Stith Thompson motif index and found a reference 
>to a myth where Odin stole a drink from a race of gods and it gave him 
>something. I remember the story where he gave his eye for a drink from a 
>well that gave him wisdom in return, and I remember him hanging on a gallows 
>for a few days before gaining something (the runes?), but I don't remember 
>any situation where he stole a drink of nectar from some other race of gods. 
>Anybody recall this?

	Yup.  Odin stole the Mead of Poetry from one of the giants (I
forget the name, but I think it was Skadhi's dad).  The Mead of Poetry was
brewed by Dwarves from the blood of Kvasir, and was obtained by the giant
inquestion.  Odin (in disguise) went to the giant's mountain, seduced his
daughter (of course), conned his way into getting a draught of the Mead,
and sucked it all up.  Then he changed into a hawk, and flew off back to
Asgard where he spit it into cauldrons.  Some of it splashed out, and
that's the poet's portion.

	Well, the myth is something like that anyway.

Cheers,
Carl

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From: gdh@calmasd.Prime.COM (Gerald Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Greek and Roman Mythology (A question about Apollo)
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:24:59 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Jul24.192317.11083@u.washington.edu> monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.174605.33171@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com writes:
>>
>>And why is that the Romans borrowed their myths from the Greeks
>the Romans borrowed the 'good stuff'.

I think there are a couple of important things to note here.  First, the
Romans inherited/conquered a world in which Greek language and culture
were almost universal.  Not only were there Greek cities scattered
throughout the Mediterranean but the educated elite/royalty in essentially
every country was either Greek or Greek educated.  To function in this
world the Romans had learn Greek, and learning Greek involved reading the
literature which meant learning the myths.

The other point is that the Romans were great assimilators.  They were
extremely tolerant of other cultures and they were very quick to
adopt religions and traditions from throughout their world.

In fact I think that Christianity is best understood as an eclectic
Roman "grand unification" of the major religious traditions of their
world.  From the Persian Mythra they adopted the birth at the winter
solstice in Bethlehem and the intense anti-female bias.  From the
Greek mysteries they brought in the ideas of salvation and eternal
life.  From the Jews they incorperated the abstract notion of
monotheism, but this they had to temper with the triple manifestations
of all of the great birth/death/resurection gods/godesses from
many traditions (Isis, for example).  I think the ritual sabatical
year sacrifice of the king on a tree, piercing his side so his blood
could continue the fertility of the soil, also came from the Jews,
but from a Judaism that few would recognize today.

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From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: How was Man created? (according to Greek Mythology)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:10:36 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <01010066.8sjkh2@unicorn.resun.com>  chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy) writes:
>
> Just a bit rusty.  Prometheus and Epimetheus, his brother were both
> Titans who sided with the gods, (because Prometheus had the gift of
   ...

It seems to me that of the stories I have read of Prometheus and
Epimetheus,  Epimetheus is treated less than kindly.  Yet, I have
never found the reason for the lack of respect for Epimetheus.

First of all, is it true that Epimetheus is treated badly by the
Greek myths?   And if so, what is the reason?


Ralph Yozzo
From: kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Faerie request
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:20:42 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Just another request from the Ol' Infomation-Vampire, c'est moi.

	Could anyone E-mail the titles of some sources on the Faerie legends of
Europe?  I'm looking for general info, as well as specifics on individual
cultural versions, such as the celtic Sidhe, or scandanavian Trolls, etc.

						Thanks in advance,
							--Gareth
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Greek and Roman Mythology (A question about Apollo)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:59:26 EST
Organization: Ailanthus Project

snow@netcom.com (Tim Szeliga) writes:

> >
> >And why is that the Romans borrowed their myths from the Greeks
> >and did not invent their own?
> >
> The analogy has been often made between the Romans and the Americans.
> Both were militaristic, technologically advanced, practical and
> culturally shallow.
> Rome looked to Greece for culture much as America looks to Europe.
> Thus we have a Father Christmas character, but we call him Santa Claus.
> We have a pookah or Rowan Hare, but we call it The Easter Bunny.
>
> Our orchestras play the music of dead europeans, except for Rhapsody in Blue,
> written by a first generation immigrant, filtering the native music through
> a European sensibility.

this is not, however, a perfect analogy.  america was populated, for the most
part, by europeans.  thus it makes perfect sense that americans should look to
the europeans for their culture, since back beyond 300 years, there are no
white americans, so no white american culture.  in maine, for instance, there
are franco-americans, by way of canada, irish-americans, by way of
masachusetts, german-americans, english-americans, a very few
african-americans, by way of the american south, and scottish-americans.  (and
a sizeable jewish population, which i am not sure whether i shoudl refer to as
"jewish-americans" or not...)   this being the case, it shoudl not be too
terribly surprising that maine culture is very european oriented.  america IS
culturally different from europe, but popular culture is where this difference
shows the most.  this also makes sense, as "high culture" is generally stuff
that has become dignified with age...

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From: shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Greek and Roman Mythology (A question about Apollo)
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:14:13 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

yozzo@watson.ibm.com writes:

>From what I've read of Greek and Roman mythology, it appears to me
>that the Roman Mythology is borrowed (other words could be used)
>from the Greeks.  The Romans then renamed all the gods.

>and went through a renaming process.  For example, Jupiter (Jove) was the
>Roman ruler of the gods and Zeus was his Greek counterpart.  Therefore,
>Jupiter took on the characteristics of Zeus.  And likewise for the
>following pairs:  Hera-Juno, Artemis-Diana, Hermes-Mercury, Cronus-Saturn,
>Hades-Pluto, Aphrodite-Venus, Poseidon-Neptune, Hephaestus-Vulcan,
>Ares-Mercury, Athena-Minerva, Demeter-?.  Hestia-?, ?-Uranus, ...

Ares - Mars
Demeter - Ceres
Hestia - Vesta
Ouranos - Uranus
Dionysos - Bacchus


-r.


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From: cpshelle@jeeves.waterloo.edu (cameron shelley)
Subject: Re: Help with Fates
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:47:11 GMT

ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.210101.8375@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
> 
>    Can someone please tell me what the names of the three Fates
>    were, and which one did which job? Thanks very much.
> 
> Clotho - spins the thread of a person's life
> Lachesis - measures it out
> Atropos - wields the shears and cuts the thread

You might also find them in latin as Nona, Decuma and Morta
respectively.

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From: cpshelle@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley)
Subject: Re: Greek and Roman Mythology (A question about Apollo)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:03:55 GMT

yozzo@watson.ibm.com writes:
[...]
> And why is that the Romans borrowed their myths from the Greeks
> and did not invent their own?

Check out the following books, and any your library might have on the
etruscans.  The romans got a fair amount of their greek mythology
second hand through that route.  I think you'll find Grant's book
helpful in answering your question.

----8<--------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------
author   : Dumezil, G.
title    : Archaic Roman Religion
         : 
publisher: University of Chicago Press (1966) 1970
isbn     : 
call_no  : BL 802.D813
keys     : myth roman
comments : THE book on Roman religion, so far as I can tell.  2 vols.
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
---------------------------------------
author   : Grant, M.
title    : Roman Myths
         : 
publisher: Penguin 1973
isbn     : 0-140-21706-1
call_no  : BL 802.G7
keys     : myth roman
comments : another good Penguin reader.
         : Topics:  Sources;  Aeneas;  Romulus;  the Kings;  the Republic;
         : Theories of interpretation.
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
         : 
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----8<--------------------------------------------------------------

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From: monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Greek and Roman Mythology (A question about Apollo)
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:23:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul24.174605.33171@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com writes:
>
>And why is that the Romans borrowed their myths from the Greeks
>and did not invent their own?
>
There did exist Italian gods, but not the fun-loving anthropomorphic type
the Greeks favored.  By the time the Romans got around to calling
themselves Romans, the Greeks had a very large literary of myths, and poems
and plays based on or around those myths.  As in American TV 'borrowing'
from the BBC, the Romans borrowed the 'good stuff'.  Also, many of the
first literate Romans (writers and such) were Greek, so whether writing in
Latin or Greek, they wrote what they knew.

Tracy
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
From: graham@sees.bangor.ac.uk (The Land of Confusion)
Subject: Troilus and Cressida
Organization: University College of N Wales, Bangor
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:46:55 GMT
X-Posted-From: sol.sees.bangor.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I recently came across the following quotation:

     Take but degree away, untune that string,
     And, hark! what discord follows; each thing meets
     In mere oppugnancy

     -- Troilus and Cressida

Can anyone supply a more complete reference for the source of this?



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Aposiopesis is not really all that it
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Constellations
Date: 31 Jul 1992 20:05:36 GMT
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In-reply-to: nvaught@vax1.umkc.edu's message of 31 Jul 92 18:42:01 GMT


[I've also EMailed a copy to the original poster.]

In article <1992Jul31.124201.1@vax1.umkc.edu> nvaught@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

   Subj: Constellations
	I hope this is the right place to post this.  I am in search of the author
   and the name of the poem that names, describes the current constellations.  I
   am under the impression that this was a Latin poet.  Also is it in English
   translation.  Please send e-mail, not is this section too often.  Thanks.
   Astronomy fan.  Nancy.

This would be the ``Phenomena'' by Aratus, a Hellenistic Greek poet.
Available in a Loeb Classical Edition with the Greek en face and fold
outs of the constellations in the end papers.  (I believe this is also
bound with Lycophron's ``Alexandra'', which is a c. 1200 line long
poem which consists of Cassandra's guard reporting the prophecies she
has just made.  It is probably THE most obscure (in terms of content)
work of Greek poetry extant.)

-30-
Bob
From: barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Troilus and Cressida
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:31:15 GMT
Reply-To: barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: graham@sees.bangor.ac.uk's message of 23 Jul 92 13:46:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.144655@sees.bangor.ac.uk> graham@sees.bangor.ac.uk (The Land of Confusion) writes:

>   I recently came across the following quotation:
>
>	Take but degree away, untune that string,
>	And, hark! what discord follows; each thing meets
>	In mere oppugnancy

>	-- Troilus and Cressida

>   Can anyone supply a more complete reference for the source of this?

Is this a quiz?  William Shakespeare, _Troilus and Cressida_, Act I,
scene iii, lines 109-111.

This is from a famous speech by Ulysses which is often quoted to
illustrate the Elizabethan world-picture in which "The heavens
themselves, the planets, and this centre [this centre being the
earth]/Observe degree, priority, and place,/Insisture, course,
proportion, season, form,/Office and custom, in all line of order;"
where every element of nature has its most noble and most humble
representative (some examples of the most noble items being the sun,
among planets, the rose, among flowers, the king, among men), and all
levels in between, and if this rightful order of things is disturbed,
all sorts of problems result for society and for nature.

Barb Miller

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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Intro to Norse Mythology book?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:13:51 GMT

In article <9207241700.AA16622@picasso.ocis.temple.edu> rhoenes@PICASSO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Richard Hoenes) writes:
>
>Can anyone recommend a good intro book on Norse Mythology?          
>(Something like Edith Hamilton's book on Greek/Roman 
>mythology.) Thanks
>


	My personal favorite is H. Ellis Davidson's, _Gods and Myths of
Northern Europe_.  You might also want to take a look at Snorri Sturluson's
_Prose Edda_.  Back when he was writing, Snorri was attempting to catalog
the entire body of Icelandic/Norse mythology and poetic expressions and 
motifs, and it is the primary source for our knowledge of Norse myth. (The
_Poetic Edda_, which comprises a series of more-or-less unrelated poems
is the other.)

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Re: Help with Fates
Date: 25 Jul 1992 18:53:52 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
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In-reply-to: kfoss%ailanth.uucp@wang.com's message of 25 Jul 92 00:13:42 GMT

In article <JPVFoB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP> kfoss%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Kevin Foss) writes:

			    Most importantly about the fates, though was 
   their invulnerabiility even from the gods, all in the mythology universe 
   of the Greeks had to follow the call of fate.

There is, however, that tantalizing passage in The Iliad in which Zeus
toys with the idea of saving Sarpedon from death, even though it is
his fate to die.  There seems to be the implication that Zeus can
circumvent Fate, with sufficient effort.

-30-
Bob
From: loren@wmkt.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Odin's stolen drink
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:43:06 GMT
Organization: Wharton Marketing

I was leafing through the Stith Thompson motif index and found a reference 
to a myth where Odin stole a drink from a race of gods and it gave him 
something. I remember the story where he gave his eye for a drink from a 
well that gave him wisdom in return, and I remember him hanging on a gallows 
for a few days before gaining something (the runes?), but I don't remember 
any situation where he stole a drink of nectar from some other race of gods. 
Anybody recall this?

Thanks,
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From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mythology
Subject: Apollodorus in hiding
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:06:18 GMT
Organization: Newt World Order

I've been looking for a copy of Apollodorus' Mythology or whatever your
favorite translation for the title is without succeeding at it. Are
there any commonly available translations out there? Who prints them?

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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Flick money....
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:14:35 GMT

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>Ok.. ok... OK!! Im tired of all this c**p about sending everyone $20 to
                                      ^^^^
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>S**ew the Conspiracy... dont give in to their ruse to steal your slack by
 ^^^^^
Screw.

>good b***j*b or food or clothes... or a car (perferably something like a

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>'Give me food or b**w me! (or kill someone else, I like being alive..
                  ^^^^
Blow.

Hope this helps...

---
gak
107/H/3&4
From: spl@alex.uucp (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Subject: Re: negativism: slackful?
Followup-To: alt.slack,misc.test.alt.test
Date: 28 Jul 1992 17:20:15 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
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In article <92209.125215MDSQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <MDSQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
~In article <1992Jul24.174018.23778@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
~bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC) inhumes:
~>
~>In article seward@CCVAX1.NCSU.EDU stammered:
~>>In article <392-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP>, Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP> said:
~>>>In article <17-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP>, ornoth@wonky.UUCP (David A. Liscomb)
~>spewed forth:
~>>>>
~>>>> Your_Insult: You just want me to feed upon your companion.
~>>>You're_in_salt: You just won't let me breast-feed upon Dan O'Banion.
~>>You're_in_sauce: You just won't let me eat in the Grand Canyon.
~>Floor_in_boss: You just don't fret fleas.  Meat tin in the panyon.
~Brush_'n_floss: Few pests want green peas. Keep lint on the pants.
Watch your mouth: New hats aren't the means.  Keep hands in your pants.

							spl


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