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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.144857.8805@wam.umd.edu> cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.222718.24632@u.washington.edu>  
>tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>> Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the 
>> best of all time at his position.  Yes, that would involve being better
>> than Mantle and Mays and Speaker.  No, it's not probable; it's not 
>> improbable, either.
>
>I'd say Cal Ripken, given another few years (and the credit he deserves),  
>could be another!

I said this a couple of months ago, and got utterly refuted by Honus
Wagner fans.
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From: alexc@pollux.usc.edu (Alex Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Felix Jose/Julio Franco injuries
Date: 13 Apr 1992 09:41:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Can someone in netland update me on the status of Felix Jose and Julio
Franco?  I know that they are eligible to be activated from the DL today,
and I need to know if they are going to be. USAT didn't sound too optimistic
about Franco this morning, but I have heard nothing about Felix Jose.


Alex Campbell, USC Film School
alexc@pollux.usc.edu
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From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: HR trivia epilogue
Organization: ceNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 23:02:28 GMT

In article <6APR199202325467@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:
> 
> 
>    OK...here is the top 10 list of players with the most career homeruns
>  who never hit 30 or more in any season:     (* = active)
> 
> Al Kaline         399
> Brooks Robinson   268
> Joe Morgan        268
> George Hendrick   267
> Brian Downing     265*
> Vada Pinson       256
> Ted Simmons       248
> Roberto Clemente  240
> Robin Yount       235*
> Gary Matthews     234

Curiously, 9 of the 10 were active in 1974---and Clemente might well have 
been, if not for the crash.

>   A surprising number of players fail to qualify because of one season
> in which they hit exactly 30 homeruns...among these are Dusty Baker,
> Gus Bell, Yogi Berra (two seasons), George Brett, Ron Cey, Doug DeCinces,
> Del Ennis, Mike Epstein, Sid Gordon, Bobby Grich, Rusty Staub, and Richie
> Zisk.  Others with one good season of: 31 - Sal Bando, Felipe Alou, Jim
> Bottomley, Rico Carty, Tommy Henrich.  32 - Ken Boyer, Larry Doby (two
> seasons), Rick Monday, Tony Oliva, Bobby Thompson.  33 - Steve Garvey,
> Bobby Murcer.  34 - Dolph Camilli.

I think Ennis had a 30 and a 31, and Gordon had a 30 and a 32. 

> Than Lee
> s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu

Gerry Myerson
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 04:11:55 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Too many outfielders




I think having, Espy, Varsho, and Redus is one too many extra outfielders.
McClendon is the best clutch bench player. MAybe Varsho should have been
sent down, since we have so many left-handers in the outfield. Merced
and Espy, both switch hitters, are stronger on the left side. I liked
Varsho down the stretch. The only reason why I would keep Redus over
Varsho is that he has a guaranteed contract and may not be of much value
in the trade market. Also, he has very good speed and is right handed.
Having Garcia would have been better than having so many outfielders. 
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From: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Subject: Re: Phillies Injury Report
Reply-To: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:38:22 GMT

In article <QYHHBLSH@cc.swarthmore.edu> jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>> Ruben Amaro Jr. is playing for Lenny tonight in center, leading off. In
>> his first at bat he was hit by a pitch (this is not lie) just barely
>> above his knee. He scored, then hit a double and scored, hit another double
>> and scored, and hit a HR, and it's only the 6th inning. Oh, the home plate
>> umpire was hit by a pitch ON THE FOREARM and is wearing some sort of
>> ice-pack or pad...
>
>	Lenny who? :) Amaro finished 3 for 4 with 3 RBIs, getting on base
>all 5 times he was up. (Hit by pitch and fielder's choice as well.) No one
>in their right mind thinks he's ever going to replace Dykstra permanently.
>However the next couple of weeks could be interesting. If Amaro continues to
>do well, Wes Chamberlain should get very nervous. Or even Dale Murphy. I
>personally expect to see Amaro get a lot of playing time this year. (Boy was
>that Von Hayes trade a steal.)

If Murphy continues to falter do you think that Amaro could move to
RF.  He must be good defensively to be in center, so RF could be cake
after CF.  I hope he keeps playing as good as he started, and if he
does then they won't be able to justify sitting him.

shaun
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Galaraga - Gone (5-6wks)
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:07:26 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>for a short time? HE can't be much worse than Gilkey or Hudler, and if he's
>really the prospect they keep telling us, he might just play well enough to
>convince himself the future in baseball is better than in football.

Maybe I'm falling for Hudler the same way everyone else is, but is this
fair?  Hudler has to be one of the hardest playing guys I've ever seen in a
uniform.  I don't doubt that some of his gaffes might have been caused by
overzealousness, but I think he'd calm down if Torre would just give him a
chance.

Besides, a Cards utility player hasn't been this popular since the days of
Steve Braun....
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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr17.142358.29466@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>When you add up Nolan's and Rickey's stats, the total results in a batter
>>that is below the average AL hitter, *and* the average AL left-fielder.
>>This wouldn't be true *unless* Ryan was at least as far above average
>>as Henderson was.

In OPS, yes.  But this assumes that "Opponents' OPS" is as good a measure for
pitchers as it is for hitters.

I've argued before that there are reasons to think that clutch pitching is
more likely to be a significant factor than clutch hitting.  The big one is
pitching from the stretch vs. pitching from a full windup.  

I don't have Nolan's entire career, but a look at last year's numbers is
suggestive:

	Bases empty:	.146/.242/.257  (450+ batters)
	Men on base:	.226/.307/.342  (210+ batters)

For the AL as a whole, we have

	Bases empty:	.254/.320/.385
	Men on base:	.268/.340/.407

showing nothing like the huge difference Nolan displays.

This is perfectly consistent with a pitcher who is much more likely to throw
a no-hitter than other pitchers with similar records and ERAs, and whose career
winning % and ERA are not as good as you would expect from his OOBP/OSLG and
run support.

(Boy, am I going to get toasted for suggesting that Nolan the Ikon is
 anti-clutch...)

If anyone has career splits for bases empty/runners on for Ryan, I'd love to
see them.  In this case, I'd be delighted to have somebody refute my conjecture
definitively.

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From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expos
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:06:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <1992Apr10.131831.21491@gvl.unisys.com> edd@gvlf2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty) writes:
>If this is the Fletcher from the Phillies, I thought he had a great
>arm and a bright future, I was sorry to see him go.

Yes.  He came to the Expos in the Barry Jones trade (anything the
Expos got for Jones was a bonus!).  Fletcher had a good day at the
plate but the Pirates were 4/4 in steals against him (it might have
been the fault of Nabholz -- I didn't see the game).  Good to see an
Expos catcher do well at the plate -- hopefully it will continue --
its been a while since any Expos catcher has had decent production
offensively (ironically current Expos catcher Gary Carter was the
last).

BTW, I see that the Angels (and Buck Rodgers) picked up Mike
Fitzgerald.  Glad to see someone pick him up.

Carl
From: lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:18:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr9.201859.13949
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Apr9.164723.1053@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> maverik@nighthawk.lerc.nasa.gov (Bill Haller) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.210955.5426@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>>Are Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek the only announcers on TV in the country
>>that do such obnoxious things as:
>>
>>say "Yess!!!" (so professional, aren't they)
>>say "He'll grab some bench" about twenty-seven times per game
>>say "You can put it on the board" like I control the scoreboard...
>>
>>Don't just say that they're on an independent station (WGN, SportsChannel
>>Chicago).  The ones on WTBS,KPLR, etc. are very professional and unbiased.
>>
>>We don't need cheerleaders, we want real announcers!
>>
>>Gary Blickhan
>>
>
>
>I agree totally with Gary about Ken Harrelson!! He makes me want to turn
>the sound down.  Tom Pacierok is not nearly as bad.  I know many White Sox
>fans will disagree.  I don't think I would mind quite as much if made his 
>"grab some bench" comment every time a White Sox player struck out.
>
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>     |              maverik@nighthawk.lerc.nasa.gov            |
>     |    "IF HEADQUARTERS IS INTERESTED, WE'RE INTERESTED"    |
>     |_________________________________________________________|

Jesus, what the hell do you expect.  I am not a White Sox fan but if
I was I would like to listen to the game being broadcast by a White Sox
fan with a slant toward the White Sox.









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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Expos
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:12:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.035849.16471@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>Does anyone have any info on this Fletcher guy the Expos have as catcher?
>He had a pretty amazing game today, so I'm hoping he's a young prospect
>unlike the other 2 catchers they have (not that I mind Carter and the other 
>guy).

He's 25; not very old.  On the other hand, he ain't very good, either.
At least not offensively.  By the NLoCD, he's probably a defensive superstar, 
though.

>The Expos will not finish any worse than 3rd this season - mark my words.
>They have youth, talent, and pretty decent pitching.

I agree.  I can't see how anyone could look at the Phillies or Cubs and
pick them over the Expos, who are better at virtually every roster spot.

>Also, am I the only one that thinks the MLB playoff format sucks?
>It's nuts that all but 4 teams are playing 162 games for nothing!
>If one team gets off to a good start, the other 5 or 6 teams in the
>division have to play the rest of the season knowing it's for nothing.

A good start?  Not unless you're talking about 81-0!  How does a good
start help unless you have a good finish too?  This isn't a 16 game football
season; 162 games is plenty to even out lucky streaks at the start of a
season.  Only 2 teams, since divisional play began, have ever done what 
you're complaining about -- leading the division from the beginning 
(84 Tigers, 90 Reds) So what's the problem?

>There's GOT to be a 'happy medium' somewhere between the hockey playoff
>format and the MLB one.

>I figure if they had the top 2 teams in each division play a best-of-5
>series, the owners would make more money, and the fans would have some
>exciting 'ball to watch late in the season.

Ewww!  Who needs it?  That would have meant that things like the 1991
Braves/Dodgers or 1989 Orioles/Jays pennant races would have been
meaningless.  No thank you.  I'll take baseball's system.  Why should we
take a team proven to be not as good and let it play a short series to
see if it can get lucky and beat a better team?

Not to mention that the season would go until November.

>--Dave

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From: ccs012@george.ucdavis.edu (Riff-Raff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:46:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12283
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <reynard.703357513@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu!> reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard) writes:
>camelot>
>Sender: usenet@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (USENET News System)
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>If you love Rickey so much explain why he stinks when he is upset at the team  
>for not giving him more money.

When exactly did he stink?  Because he had an off-year?  I'd rather have
Rickey Henderson in an off-year than most other guys in a regular year!

>That's not the player I'd want on my team.

Too bad for you.  Luckily, the A's don't feel the same way.  

>Rickey is good maybe even great but I wait for the day when he is 50 and 
>DeSheilds or Grissom or someone goes out there and says well Rickey you 
>aren't the greatest anymore and makes him look bad.  It'd be even better
>if they took Brock along to spit on him.

This is the kind of sentiment I just don't understand.  I mean, here 
we are, watching the games in person or on TV, listening to them on the
radio, or just reading about them in the paper, over the net, or in some
magazine, and the thing we hear most commonly is how this player or that
player just never lived up to his potential.  Finally, we have someone
who has, and he's hated?

Look, all Rickey's life people have been telling him great he is, and rather
than just being content with this, he has gone out day after day and
*shown* how great he is.  What's wrong with, once in his life, coming out
and admitting that it's true?  That day, at that moment, in that game,
he was the greatest of all time.  The fact that Mr. Nolan Ryan threw his
7th no-hitter meant less to me than it apparently meant to most other
fans of baseball.

I'm sick to death of people saying how much they hate Rickey Henderson.
Yes, I'm a Rickey fan, but there are also some players who are regularly
discussed on the net who bug me considerably whenever their name gets in
the paper or on TV, and I get to listen to one of their illustrious
quotes.  *BUT* my personal feelings don't mean I can't appreciate their
abilities as a ballplayer.

Dennis Cleary
dfcleary@ucdavis.edu
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From: sigmond@leland.stanford.edu (Steve Sigmond)
Subject: Re: Where's Kevin Tapani?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:29:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.095434.754@gacvx2.gac.edu>, klund@cayenne.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund) writes:
> 
> They saved Tapani for the home opener tonight.  Most people consider him  
> the ace of the Twins staff.

Thanks to everyone who responded - I agree that Tapani is the ace of the
staff. Is Mahomes pitching tomorrow or are they coming back with Erickson?

	-Steve

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From: coleman@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (Kevin Coleman)
Subject: Re: Where's Kevin Tapani?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:37:46 GMT


steveo@shamu.micro.umn.edu (Stephen Andrew Schmid) writes:



>Tapani isn't on the DL.  He is starting tonight in *our* home opener tonight

>against the Texas Rangers,


>GO TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 

Speaking of Kevin Tapani, he pitched rather well last night, shutting down
one of the best teams in the league (Rangers), giving them only 1 run on
6 hits over 7 innings.

Tapani W, 1-0    7ip, 6 hits, 1 er, 1 bb, 6 k's.

Not too shabby...


--Kevin
From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Truth About The Boston Red Sox (was Re: For Jays fans only!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:12:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.031249.11252
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, dk@alcor.concordia.ca (dimitri k) says:

>
>In article <1992Apr14.050653.24924@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>
>>I can only imagine this shame because the Blue Jays fans, in proper
>>Canadian tradition, had all fled the stadium by the end of the
>>seventh.  Only the losers and the misfits were privileged to watch
>>Todd blow the game.
>>
>
>Hey, big mistake, pal: don't lump Montreal in with Toronto.  We're in
>the same country (so far anyway :-)), but Montreal is very different
>from Toronto.  In Montreal, they don't leave the stadium in the
>seventh.  Besides, if any team can claim such a tradition, it's 
>an American one: the L.A. Dodgers.

Uh, I don't mean to be picky, but what does this have to do with "The truth
about the Boston Red Sox"?

As for Toronto fans, I don't know that they are known for leaving the park 
early; maybe it takes 45 minutes to find the exits or they all want to catch
the view from the Hard Rock cafe or go to McDonalds or something.  They *DO*
have a reputation for being quiet...maybe such mild-mannered fans are less
likely to sit through an entire game...?  Not that I really care...



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JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
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Another Greek from Massachusetts
From: vkr@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dream Team Poll
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:24:46 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hello Baseball fans!

Have you ever wanted to be in a rotessirie league but found it difficult since 
college begins in August and communication between members becomes difficult? 
How about if all your members go to your college and summer comes along and 
again communication is hard to maintain?  The net-Rotessirie is the solution.

I am forming a league in which these problems are avoided.  Ok, it is not
really a league but rather a dream team-type pool.  Each member submits a
selection of players who they feel will be hot this year--these players would
make up your team.  Then your team will be judged or ranked against other
members' teams.  The winner is the one whose team ranks the highest compared
to the other teams.

The selection of players are based upon certain criteria that I have formed.
If you are sincerely interested in this venture please contact me by e-mail at
vkr@vax5.cit.cornell.edu or at my home number 1-607-253-5812.  This program
might cost a very small amount per team to cover expenses and to give awards
to the winning teams.

By the way, a preliminary team should be in by opening day; however, since 
opening day has come already, I will extend the deadline to April 23.
Any changes will also take place in the first three weeks of play--sent to me
via e-mail or the phone.  After that your team is final until classes resume
again in August (at which time I will post the current rankings and 
statistics).  Crunch time starts now.  Each change on the roster may make the 
difference.  The stats used to calculate your ranking are cumulative; in 
other words, if you held a player from August 29 to September 27, you will
receive his stats for September 2 to September 30 (changes in week don't
become final until the Wednesday after the change).  However, any changes in
the first three weeks of play won't be cumulative, i.e., if you change a 
player in this time period it will seem as though you had him from the 
beginning.

This method allows people to maintain a constant, strong team for most of the
year but gives them a chance to catch up with the leader in the last month or
so until Playoffs (Playoff stats don't count).

Bye,
	Rahul Saggar

P.S. there might be few changes in this format which I will send to interested
members.

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From: "Stephen C. Miller" <stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:33:15 -0500

In article <1992Apr7.135124.26463@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25436-vaughn) writes:
>
>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),

Yup - right on track to hit over 300.  Should justify his contract.
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