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From: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us (Glenn Rempe)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: ISDN at Residence?
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:25:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.316.4
Reply-To: rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 316, Message 4 of 9

Hi,

I hope you will all tolerate a question from a new guy to ISDN.  In
the next few months I plan to buy a new adapter designed by Hayes to
work with my NeXT computer to provide both POTS and basic rate ISDN in
a small package for less than $300.  I wanted to see if anyone out
there knows what the availability of ISDN is for residential users in
Long Island, New York (Huntington, Dix Hills) and in Washington, D.C.
(and bordering Maryland and Virginia).  Is ISDN available in these
places and if so what should I expect a basic rate connection to cost
(Installation, monthly fee, equiptment costs, extra premium service
costs, etc)?  I understand that I will need an NT1 (?), will the phone
company provide this as part of the service, will I have to rent it
from them, or will I have to buy it outright?  Is the cost per minute
of use for an ISDN line any different than for POTS?

Thanks for any help you can give a NewGuy trying to get a handle on
availability and costs.

You can respond here or by E-Mail (or NeXTmail if you are so blessed!).

Thanks in advance,


Glenn    rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us
GLENN D. REMPE   UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA   NeXTMAIL WELCOME!
From: K_MULLHOLAND@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Kath Mullholand)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Equal Access Ruling Stayed Pending Appeal
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:27:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.300.3
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 300, Message 3 of 11


 From the ACUTA (Association of College and University Telecommunications 
Adminstrators) News of April 1992  (typos mine):

     10-xxx rule stayed pending appeal

Since the regulations are being challenged, the Federal Communications
Commission issued a "stay" March 13 of irs order for call aggregators
to unblock 10-xxx access to interexchange carriers.  Under the FCC's
order in CC Docket 91-35, aggregators who could open 10-xxx-0+ access
simply by reprogramming their equipment had faced a March 16 deadline
to do so.

On September 18, 1991, ACUTA filed a petition with the FCC to exempt
universities from the 10-xxx requirement.  The Association filed a
second petition on February 18, 1992, seeking a clarification that
would remove colleges and universities from the aggregator
classification, which the FCC determined in CC Docket 90-313.  The two
proceedings were based on the Operator Services Act of 1990.

The FCC has indicated that it will move quickly to rule on these
matters, said ACTUA's attorney Anne Jones.  <end>


kath mullholand         university of new hampshire         durham, nh
From: caladan!seanews!rocque@seattleu.edu (peter marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: SWB and BBSs
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:13:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.310.8
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 310, Message 8 of 12

An item in the 3/24/92 {Communications Daily} indicates "Southwestern
Bell in Missouri has filed new tariff with PSC to allow computer
bulletin board (BBS) operators to use residential lines," and to take
effect 4/10.

The 3/11 SWB filing would allow residential-based BBSs to operate at
residential rates if no remuneration is directly or indirectly
solicited or required, and use is confined to four or fewer flat-rated
residential lines.

The article indicates that BBSs not meeting these requirements would
have to pay business rates.

According to {Communications Daily}, the new tariff provisions were
negotiated bwtween SWB and representatives of BBS operators, and
define "BBS" as "a data calculating and storage device(s) utilized as
a vehicle to facilitiate the exchange of information through the use
of ... [SWB] facilities."

The article notes that the "BBS language is part of high-grade
Information Terminal Service originally aimed at business users with
computers, but interpreted by BBS operators as targeted at them. SWB
originally had wanted to make new service mandatory for computers with
modems, but new proposal ... makes it optional."


[] SEANEWS - Seattle Usenet News + Mail - +1 206 937 9529 []
caladan!seanews!rocque@seattleu.edu  or  seanews!rocque@nwnexus.wa.com
From: pdp@stat.ufl.edu (Phil Padgett)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: BellSouth Call ID Model 20
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Fl, Department of Statistics
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 301, Message 12 of 13

I just purchased a Bell South Model 20 Calling Line Identifier.  It
has a port on the back which is supposed to be for data -- it says it
can be hooked to a computer or a serial printer.  Does anyone know the
pin-outs of this device?  It has a standard four connector handset
modular plug on it.  Thanks,
 

Phil Padgett       Network Manager
pdp@stat.ufl.edu   Division of Biostatistics  University of Florida
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 92 13:25:50 PST
From: eli@cisco.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Cat Named George, 3 Way Calling, Speed Calling 8, Speakerphone
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 299, Message 9 of 9

Brief technical correction follows:

> I suppose I could also have solved this by switching to speed calling
> 30, since George T. Cat would then have to hit two touch tones to make
> a call.

Yesterday I got a summary of available services from Pac Bell and
apparently there is no speed calling 30 out here!  I wonder if NYNEX
still offers it ...


eli
From: dancer!whs70@uunet.UU.NET (24411-sohl)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Hang-up Pirates
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: dancer!whs70@uunet.UU.NET ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 307, Message 6 of 10

Most of the "hang-up" I get are in the office.  I suspect (because
I've done it myself) that many of those are cases where someone
forgets to first dial 9 (in a PBX or Centrex environment) and the
first four digits of the number being dialed are the same as the my
extension number.  The calling party begins to hear audible ringing
after the 4th digit and immediately hangs up.  At the same time, I get
at least one ring and, since the phone is right here on the desk, I
pick-up and get nothing, dial-tone, etc.

With the expansion of evolution of the numbering system in the USA
such that many area codes can be the same as central office codes, I'd
expect some increase along the same lines at home in those cases where
someone dialing a ten digit number forgets to first dial a '1'.  The
call may then begin to be routed on the first seven digits, if those
digits can be a valid phone number in that area code.

Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.


Bill Sohl (K2UNK) BELLCORE (Bell Communications Research, Inc.)
Morristown, NJ             email via UUCP      bcr!dancer!whs70
201-829-2879 Weekdays      email via Internet  whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com


[Moderator's Note: I had a centrex number, xxx-2635 many years ago
where I worked. The bar and grill on the first floor of the office
building, where the clowns in our office always went for lunch had the
phone number 263-5xxx. It never failed at 11:45 every morning, at the
start of the first lunch hour: <my phone rings> ... <I answer> ... a
voice on the other end said 'ah, fu--' and the phone would be hung up.
This poor simpleton was *always* forgetting to dial 9 first.   PAT]
From: malcazar@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Mark Alcazar)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Motorola's Future Wireless Services
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:14:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.300.5
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 300, Message 5 of 11

Hi, does anyone know where I can get good technical references to:

 - Motorola's Plan to provide global communications systems by 1994,
using a 77-satellite system;

 - Motorola's Wireless Information Network, operating in the Microwave
18Ghz. band.

Please mail me, I'll post this information with an upcoming summary of
the references I've collected on Wireless Networks for Ubiquitous
Computers.


Mark Alcazar    malcazar@grad1.cis.upenn.edu
From: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Using Answering Machine With Panasonic KX-T123211D
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:22:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.317.5
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 317, Message 5 of 8

I am trying to use a Panasonic answering machine with the Panasonic
KX-T123211D EMSS and am experiencing a couple of problems.  None of
these problems occurred when the machine was directly connected to a
CO line before the EMSS was installed.

The answering machine is supposed to immediately disconnect and stop
recording when the caller hangs up.  It is also supposed to ignore
disconnects during the outgoing message and not bother recording the
hang up.  It no longer recognizes the disconnects and records the
internal busy signal (error tone?) from the EMSS and appears to time
out on the VOX.  I tried configuring the machine for both CPC modes A
and B.

This answering machine also has a transfer feature where it will call
another number after a message is left.  The machine is set up to call
my cellular phone.  If I don't answer the phone and the answering
machine reaches my Message Plus recording, the line appears to get
immediately disconnected when the Message Plus tone is played at the
end of the Message Plus OGM.  The machine doesn't seem to notice that
the line has been disconnected and continues to rewind and play back
the transfer OGM several times waiting for the security code to be
entered.  It gives up after a minute and tries again with the same
results.

When I manually dial the cellular phone and get the Message Plus
recording and tone, the line is not automatically disconnected.
Again, I tried both CPC modes.

Has anyone else here experienced any problems using an answering
machine with the Panasonic KX-T123211D EMSS?

Any ideas?


Thanks.

Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405  
monty%roscom@think.com
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 23:43:17 PDT
From: Cliff Barney <barneymccall@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Commercial Networks Reachable From Internet
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 315, Message 11 of 11

I have sent a message to AppleLink from Peacenet via the Internet.  So
perhaps that link is already in place.
From: K_MULLHOLAND@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Kath Mullholand, UNH Telecom, 862-1031)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Questions About Call Waiting
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:25:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.313.10
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 313, Message 10 of 10

And how does call waiting work if you have a teenager?

Well, mom calling home gets a busy signal, because kid is using call
waiting as an ad hoc conference calling feature.  If used in
conjunction with other kids with call waiting, they can (in theory)
have a kind of chat line going (I've heard of it working for four).
Naturally, they have to be pretty patient -- which doesn't seem to be
a problem when it comes to phriends!


kath mullholand         university of new hampshire         durham, nh
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: CCREDIR -- Complete Communicator Call Redirector
Date: 5 Apr 92 03:22:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.297.4
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 297, Message 4 of 13

Ccredir is an add-on for Complete PC's Complete Communicator.  It
switches between voice and FAX answering depending on the ring
pattern.  Only two rings are distinguishable right now: normal ring
(two seconds of ring, four seconds of silence), and ring-ring (two
seconds of ring with nearly a half second pause in the middle).
Normal ring means answer voice; ring-ring means answer FAX.

If anyone extends this program to work with more ring styles, I'd like
to get a copy of the changes ...

The program is copyrighted but freely copyable using the Free Software
Foundation's General Public License.  That means that anyone you give
it to can give it to someone else, and they must be able to get the
source.  The license is widely available, usually called COPYING.
Contact me if you can't find a copy.

ccredir.zip is available from simtel20.army.mil pd1:<msdos.modem>.


Russell Nelson    Crynwr Software
11 Grant St.      Potsdam, NY 13676
315-268-1925 voice     --- yes, these are both the same phone line.
315-268-9201 FAX        /  nelson@crynwr.com
russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>
From: desouza@math.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: BINA and Caller-ID From Any Phone
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:37:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.297.6
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math Department
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 297, Message 6 of 13

I have heard some time ago about a Caller-ID system that works on ANY
phone, independently of what the calling person does.

The system had been invented by a Brazilian (called Bina) and the
device carries his name. It has been in use for some time already in
Brasil by the Police, Fire Stations and other emergency services (to
screen where the calls come from),

My question is: Does anybody here know how this works?  Would it work
here in the US? And where to buy it?


Paulo de Souza    desouza@math.berkeley.edu


[Moderator's Note: Don't get your terms confused. Caller-ID only works
if the caller does not block it. If the caller blocks it, then the CO
does not send it ... there is nothing you can do about it. You can't
pick up some data out of thin air if none was sent. What Police and
Fire Departments usually have is ANI -- *not* Caller-ID -- and unlike
Caller-ID, Autmatic Number Identification works in reverse. It gets
sent whether the caller wants it to or not. The caller cannot block it
out.   PAT]
From: goldstein@carafe.enet.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: ISDN in Houston, Texas
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:53:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.302.2
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Littleton MA USA
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 302, Message 2 of 10

In article <telecom12.299.4@eecs.nwu.edu>, hd@tif.rice.edu (Hubert
Daugherty) writes:

> Obviously, my first question was: "Well, how much would it cost to
> upgrade the DMS-100 to be ISDN capable, so that I can forgo the
> surcharge and have a monthly rate of $44.50 from my home?"
> Does anyone KNOW what is involved in upgrading a DMS-100 from POTS to
> ISDN?

Well, we have a few DMS_100s here and I'm interested in upgrading them
to ISDN too ... since we own 'em outright, we (DEC) would have to pay
NT's upgrade charges.

Suffice to say that "tens of thousands" is low!  It's not just a line
card.  If you had a brand new one, it might be a line card plus
software, and their latest line card is BOTH ISDN and POTS on one, all
via DSP, so it's not even a line card!  But all of the ones in the
field have older line cards; plus there are several vintages of
shelves, drawers, etc.

Plus to have ISDN you need certain common equipment (packet handler).
Plus (the biggie) software.  NT, like any computer company, makes
money selling software licenses.  ISDN is implemented via various
licenses, each with a price.  I believe (offhand) that NT charges one
license fee per DMS-100, while AT&T charges a fee per 5ESS plus a fee
per remote switching unit, so NT's are cheaper to distribute.

But the switch vendors want to get some direct revenue back for their
ISDN investment.  So it costs well into six figures to upgrade one.
If the telco buys in bulk, the unit price can fall quite a bit, though.

Note that if the telco sees modest demand, they can put remotes or
even muxes off of one ISDN CO into multiple wire centers.  They
wouldn't have to charge the full foreign-CO rate if they didn't want
to.  But now we're getting off the topic ...


Fred R. Goldstein   goldstein@carafe.enet.dec.com 
                 or goldstein@delni.enet.dec.com   voice:+1 508 952 3274
Standard Disclaimer:  Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.
From: ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Canadian LD Plans Wanted
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans)
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Canada via UUPCB Gateway
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 312, Message 5 of 7

Does anyone know of any companies that offer long-distance savings
plans for Canadian business besides Bell?  I spoke to a Bell rep today
and they wanted a 32.50 "administration" charge for a 15% discount.

Any help would be appreciated.


CompuServe ID: 73117,545 UUCP: bville!ian.evans
INTERNET:ian.evans@bville.gts.org  OTHERS: ian.evans@canrem.com
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Future of Fax
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:56:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.314.1
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 314, Message 1 of 12

In article <telecom12.308.4@eecs.nwu.edu> mc!Brad_Hicks/OU=0205925@mhs.
attmail.com writes:

> How bad? Imagine if every time you dropped a letter in the mail: 

> (1) You had to know the exact spelling of every word of the address.

For Internet mail this isn't a problem ... the address is rarely more
than 20 characters long. For X.400 this is a problem, and is the
reason I consider X.400 broken-as-designed technology. With X.500
it'll be usable, but RFC822 will still be better.

The rest of the problems are also X.400 related.

As for switching from RFC822 to PSTN-style addresses ... forget it. I
can recall dozens of RFC822 addresses reliably, for people I email. I
can't even recall the phone number for Intel customer support (and I
call it every couple of days) unless I convert it from "1-800-INTEL4U",
but I can pull up "henry@zoo.toronto.edu" and I communicate with HIM
maybe once a month.

Numbers are HARD to remember.

> Funny thing is, fax already comes with that "interface."

Yeh. And I can't remember our own FAX number at Ferranti.

> (Then you get into complexities over how to deliver anything other
> than English-language text in plain ASCII, but I'm depressed enough as
> it is.  I'll leave that for a future message.)

Check out my .signature ...

/F{findfont exch scalefont setfont}def /S{moveto show}def /T{/Times-Roman F}def
6 T (Have you hugged your wolf today?)468 20 S 9 T (Taronga Park BBS)24 35 S 10
/Courier F(`-_-')488 40 S ( 'U` )488 30 S 6 T (+1 713 568 0480 2400/n/8/1)24 27
S (+1 713 568 1032 Trailblazer)24 20 S 12 T (Peter da Silva)24 45 S showpage


[Moderator's Note: Usually lengthy signatures are truncated in the
Digest. I am leaving this one as an exception because of the
illustration being given.   PAT]
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:08:12 GMT
From: hd@tif.rice.edu (Hubert Daugherty)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: ISDN in Houston, Texas
Reply-To: hd@rice.edu
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 299, Message 4 of 9

Southwestern Bell has requested and recieved a tariff for basic rate
interface (BRI) service for several areas of Texas.

The service is only offered from two 5ESS switches in the city.  One
is in our regional Medical Center and the other is in downtown
Houston.

My home and Rice University are both adjacent to the Medical Center,
but on different sides.  And both are served by wireing centers other
than the 5ESS equiped Medical Center.

I pursued the question and found my local switch to be a DMS-100
switch.  Which I understand to be upgradable to ISDN.  The wiring
center serving Rice University is a 1AESS which is not ISDN capable.

After a lot of effort on both S.W. Bell and my parts I have now
received a quote!

The connection from Rice to the 5ESS would cost $489.00 to establish
and $115.60 per month.  The connection from my home to the 5ESS would
cost $364.00 installation and $113.50 per month.

The only problem with these prices are the sucharge added to the
monthly bill for service from a "Foreign Wireing Center".  The charge
for this service is $68.50 plus $.25 per quarter mile.

Obviously, my first question was: "Well, how much would it cost to
upgrade the DMS-100 to be ISDN capable, so that I can forgo the
surcharge and have a monthly rate of $44.50 from my home?"

S.W. Bell Answer: "Oh, I think it would be tens of thousands."

My reply: "Are you sure it's not just a line card change and a
software upgrade from Northern Telecom?"

S.W. Bell Answer: "Well, we don't plan to upgrade that switch because
we don't see a big market in the residential area."

MY QUESTION TO THE NET:

Does anyone KNOW what is involved in upgrading a DMS-100 from POTS to
ISDN?

I would really like to telecommute at 64k bits from my NeXT computer
to Rice.  But $1,362 dollars per year on my salary is too much.


Hubert Daugherty   Rice University
Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: AT&T and Sprint Fight 800 Call Charges
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:33:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.telecom12.320.4
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 320, Message 4 of 7

{Newsbytes} reports that AT&T and Sprint are working with a group
called Consumer Action to stop caller charges on 800 calls.  They note
that as 900 numbers are increasingly regulated, some providers are
turning to 800 numbers instead.

AT&T and Sprint are discussing with the FCC tariff language which
prevents billing for 800 calls unless there is a previous relationship
between caller and callee or the caller agrees to pay with a credit
card.

Consumer Action also wants these tariff changes codified in federal
law.


Regards,

John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl


[Moderator's Note: In the next issue of the Digest today, I have an
article by Don Kimberlin on this same topic, of '800 Scamming'.  PAT]