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From: ztac18@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov WWNV x5076 9.134)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Reply-To: ztac18@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:39:01 GMT

In article 9484@newsgate.sps.mot.com, wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>I'm using running as part of my overall plan to get my "gravitationally
>enhanced" body (with the big gut) into a more svelte appearance.  I  
>currently can typically make it about 1.5 miles (sometimes less) 3 times
>per week.
>
>Should I use a typicall low-fat higher carbohydrate diet similar to
>that proposed in the "Fit or Fat" books?  Is there a change that will
>take place when I start getting at running that should have me altering
>things slightly (radically?).  I'm also using weight machines 3 times
>a week.


Sounds to me, Stephan, like you're doing exactly the right thing.  It's always
good to try to cut back on your fat intake, replacing it with carbos, but the
real key is the exercise.  If you enjoy running, stick with it and increase your
mileage GRADUALLY* over a period of months or even a year until you're doing,
say, 2 or 3 miles a day, 4 or 5 days a week (be sure to check with a doctor
first, as always, if you've any reservations about strenuous exercise).
If you start getting bored with running, do something else; swim, bike, walk....
Just be sure you get plenty of exercise, and don't stress about your caloric
intake.

* I can't emphasize this enough.  So many people try to increase their distance
and frequency too fast and they lose interest.  Go easy, but be consistent.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: joes@lpi.liant.com (Joe Stewart)
Subject: Ankle Sprains
Reply-To: joes@lpi.liant.com
Organization: Template Graphics Software
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:09:31 GMT

Two questions:

   a.  How to prevent them?

   b.  What to do when you get them?

These two questions are the result of my most recent sprain.  It seems that
I sprain one or the other of my ankles every 6 months or so.  This most
recent sprain occured on Friday evening (in the cold dark, of course) as 
I was cranking back to home.  A little rock or bulge in the road caused the
outer edge of my left foot to twist down and in.  I twinge just remembering
it.  This is the usual type of sprain.  Something on the inside of the foot
prevents it from landing normally and causes the outside of the foot to twist
down and in.

After the usual cursing, screaming, etc, I was able to hop/hobble the 1/2 mile
or so back to the house.  My ankle was already swelling by the time I took of
my shoe.  First thing was to take 3*200mg of ibuprofin, take a shower ('cause 
I was freezing), and then I put one of those cold jelly-like bags around my
ankle.  

Since Friday night, I've taken 200 or 400mg of ibuprofin every 4 hours or so
and I've given up the jelly-like bag for a big bowl of ice and water at about
the same interval.  I try to keep my ankle/foot in the ice water for 10/15
minutes (hurts like hell to put the foot in, but that gives way to numbness in
2/3 minutes).   And I've kept the walking down to a minimum - though 4 football 
games on TV was a bit much.  

Oh yes, the swelling has come down a bit and the ugly, blue bruise has begun
to show up.  I can see the blue best on the inside of the ankle, though the
discoleration has spread to the top and outside of the ankle.

So, any suggestions on treatment (ice pack, jelly wrap, ice/water, times of
freezing, ibuprofin vs asperin, elevating, wraps, etc....) and on prevention
(goofy exercises, stretches, shoes, braces, wraps, etc....) would be greatly
appreciated!

I will post the results of these questions.

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From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:19:26 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <2780@grivel.une.edu.au>, tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro) writes:
> it is a fine line between ideal racing weight, and losing strength. Steve
> Moneghetti went from 60kg to 56kg during the 4 day depletion phase of his
> diet before the Barcelona Olympic marathon. In hindsight (he ran poorly,
> finishing 42nd) he admits to losing to much weight.
> 

What, exactly, is the 'depletion' phase of a diet before a major
race? 

-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 01:38:15 MST
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject:    Arizona marathon results?

Hey now,

I haven't been able to find the results of the AZ marathon. I know the
turnout was fairly small (less than 300) and that it rained, but that's
about it. Anyone out there have any details?

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Weight Loss Diet with Running?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:47:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.163001.15429@spectrum.xerox.com> houston@eso.mc.xerox.com writes:
>e now stabilized after four years of running at 30 pounds under my (chubby) initial weight, and maintain it with a yearly average of 55 miles per week (up to 75 per week during marathon training season, and 45 to 50 during the recovery season).  And now its time for my second run of the day--I managed to put on an extra 5 pounds over the holidays :-(
>
>Keep it up Stephan--it's the way to lose weight and eat and drink anything you darn well please (within reason)...  

Well be prepared for the 5-10 year "surprise".  With time one's metabolism can become very
efficient at a given task.  The first five years it was easy to keep weight off.  Afterwards
I had to watch my diet again.  The standard metabolic rate for running is given as .75 kcal
per pound per mile.  I've estimated my rate at about .5 kcal after 16 years of running.
From: kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: knee ligament injury
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:51:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a2i network


 adil@austin.ibm.com (Adil Soofi) writes:

>I am getting back into running after a very bad skiing accident in which I
>injured the inner ligaments of both my knees (MCLs). Uptil now I have tried 
>short distance (<1mile) runs. My knees are a little sore afterwards. I am
>afraid of doing longer distances in fear that I may damage my knees further.

5 Years ago, I badly damaged my medial collateral and anterior cruciate
ligaments in my L. knee while skiing.  Damn rental bindings stuck.
Was in cast for 3 months toe to hip.  Hit the weights big time after
that.  My L. knee became stronger than R. knee!  (or at least the muscle
were stronger in L. since I worked hard and more specifically there).
Started out running a month after cast off.  4 years ago I was "up" to
10 - 20 mi./week, now I am averaging 45 miles per, do marathons, long
runs, track workouts, and am having a blast!  Pretty soon I will break
that 40 minute 10K BARRIER.  Look up!  You're gonna do it man!  My
knee pain has been very low these last 2.3 years.  I'm fine, and it's all
in the (linear) past now.  In 6 years I'll be 40 and faster than ever.
Give yourself some time and ease into it.

Salud!
-- 
Ken Papai <kpapai@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Using weights on runs
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:29:44 GMT

If you feel the need to run with extra weight, get a weight vest.  Using
weights at a distance from the shoulder and/or hip/knee adds extra force
to that joint that may do damage (especially ankle weights, I'd think).
We (the jumpers) used weight vests in college while doing stadium stair
climbs, hill climbs, and some sprinting.  Definitely increases power (and
the likelihood of tossing lunch).

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: sandie@|p|p (Bert Sandie)
Subject: Re: The Self Coached Runner
Organization: |p
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:35:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.174805.12082@cs.ucla.edu>, page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page) writes:

|> Note that I am not talking about the minor differences between two elite
|> runners.  You cannot take runner A who runs a 3:49 mile and runner B who
|> runs a 3:54 mile and say A has more potential than B in the marathon.  But you
|> can say that since both A and B have elite performance in the mile, both
|> would be elite marathoners if they trained for it.  Further, if C trained
|> for the mile and could never break 4:12,  (ie. very talented but not elite), C
|> will be a very talented but not elite in the marathon. 


I think your assumptions, may be a little off the mark, performer C may very well
be able to be a world class marathoner.  The reason is that a world class marathoner
requires the ability to run 26 sub 5:00 min miles - if C can run one mile at 4:12 it
may be very likely that his body is loaded with slow twitch muscle fiber, not allowing
him to run world class mile times, but allowing to run 10km to marathons at world
class times - Runners such as Rob de Castella (AUS) does not have much pure mile
speed, but was able to run world class marathon times for approx 10 years!


IMHO, 

Bert Sandie


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: clinton's 5K time
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:18:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.054806.8762@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>reidyj@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy) writes:
>>griffith@CCVAX1.NCSU.EDU writes:
>>>So what WAS Clinton's time for 5K...just curious to know what "mediocre is"
>>
>>Mediocre is whatever is slower than what you do the distance in.
>>For example, my mediocre time is anything longer than 15 minutes.
>>Yeah, right!
>
>Fifteen minutes??? What, do you run around the course twice? :-)
>
>P.S. Clinton's time was 24:16.
>

    Hmmm...  About the same as mine.  I guess I'm a mediocre runner also.
 
    ;-)

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
                                                               - Max

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From: chaz@meaddata.com (Chuck Sedlacko)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: The Self Coached Runner
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:16:21 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: nittany.meaddata.com

  Recently, I've been looking over a book entitled "The Self-Coached Runner"
by Allan Lawrence and Mark Scheid. The book has a format where you look up
a section with a given distance and your goal time and it outlines a running 
schedule for that race and your level.  I don't have any prior race 
experience, and I had a question concerning some of the advice in the book.

 For example, to run a 45-minute 10K, the book states 

 "You are ready to train for a 45-minute 10K if you can run:

    220 yards in 38 seconds
    440 yards in 82 seconds
    1 mile in 6 minutes 20 seconds

 To run 10K in 45 minutes you need to average 7:16 per mile."

 I don't understand what the paartial times have to do with running the 10K.
If I could run at a 7:16 pace, why do I need to meet these other criteria?
Other "prerequisites" are given for other levels and for all distances.

 Thanks in advance for any input.

-- 
|Chuck Sedlacko     |                           |           (513) 865-1781|
|Mead Data Central  |  "I gave her the ring,    | Fabrication Applications|
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Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Knee problem... sound familiar?
From: wlange@eis.calstate.edu (Walter C. Lange)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:16:31 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Your knee problem sounds like it is the iliotibia band, the tendon
connecting to your knee.  Its a common runner ailment, can appear in world
class runners without warning. 

 There are a number of preventative stretches, the "centerfold" is perhaps
the most well known. With rest your ailment should go away--might take 2
weeks, or a year.  Often it will seem ok, you start your run, & a mile or
so into it wham!  walk back home.  I found years ago that running on soft
sand was possible with this injury--the 90's equivalent could be treadmill
running. 

 The doctor is likely to say "Hurts when you run?  Don't run! $100 please."
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kingpin@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth)
Subject: Re: Shoe store recommendations, Boston area?
Organization: None
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:40:40 GMT

In article <18869@bunny.GTE.COM> jp07@gte.com (James Paschetto) writes:

     As a recent transplant to the Boston area, I'm looking for a running
   store that has:
	1. good inventory of shoes (a wide range of makes & models);
	2. experienced staff.

There are plenty of stores around Boston.. I will name a few which I have
shopped at and bought shoes and they were very helpful:

New Balance Outlet - Brighton
City Sports - Boston
Reebok - Boston

and then there is also Foot Locker, Athletes Foot, and MVP..
From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Hip Pain Help Required
Date: 13 Jan 93 09:19:44 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank all those people who responded
to my question regarding hip-pain. I got a variety of possible causes such as:

- Sciatia = advice: go to a physio

- Stress fracture: advice: rest for a while, depending on severity

- Bursitis: advice: take anti-inflamatory pill (ibuprofen, aspirin)

- Overpronation or some other physical problem (such as uneven length of legs)
	advice: see foot specialist, run on grass etc.

Of these I can rule out the last one as I have even length legs and have a
normal running style, also I always run on grass during training.\

Some people commented that it is probably not sciatia as the pain associated
with this is sometimes hard to pin-point and can affect other areas, especially
the lower back.

I think that it is bursitis but of course I can't be sure.

Again thanx for all the replies.....


Rob.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cdis76@email.mot.com (Deena )
Subject: Re: Boston Qualifying Times
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: rec.running
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:38:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.225115.6308@photon.com>, tlf@photon.com (Terri Franklin) writes:
> 
> I'm interested in finding out the qualifying times for the Boston Marathon.
> Can anyone provide me with this information or refer me to a source?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Terri Franklin
> tlf@photon.com

Age				Men					Women

18-34		3:10				3:40
35-39		3:15				3:45
40-44		3:20				3:50
45-49		3:25				3:55
50-54		3:30				4:00
55-59		3:35				4:05
60-64		3:40				4:10
65-69		3:45				4:15
70+				3:50				4:20
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Getting Old
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 00:59:02 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <871@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.152811.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>, theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
>> 
>> 	
>> 	I just turned 30 and have a question for older runners, or anyone
>> who might know.
>> 
>> 	  At what age will my body start falling apart?
>> 	  (this is assuming i maintain a good level of fitness until i die)
>> 
>
>There seems to be some evidence that endurance declines at a slower
>rate than raw speed. For that reason you will see world-class
>marathoners competing in their late 30's and even early 40's.
>Certainly there are males in their 40's who have turned in marathon
>times which are good enough to go to the Olympic trials. However,
>you do not see sprinters (to my knowledge) competing at that
>'lofty' age.
>
>For your reference, here are the world records, by age group, for
>the 5K and 10K distance. (My source is 'Peak Running Performance',
>which has a rather interesting article about the effects of aging on
>running performance. July-August 1992 issue)  These are men's records.
>
>        Open    35-39  40-44  45-49  50-54  55-59   60-64    65+
>
>5K      12:58   13:16  13:46  14:24  14:56  15:53   16:33   16:39
>
>10K     27:08   27:17  28:33  30:03  31:02  33:01   34:15   34:42
>
>
>BTW, it will be interesting to see if Eamonn Coghlan becomes the
>first 'master' to crack the 4 minute mile. He seems to have a real
>shot at doing it this year.

I will let you know. As a masters runner and avid Milrose fan, I will 	
watch first hand.  
>-- 
>  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
>                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  


-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: griffith@CCVAX1.NCSU.EDU
Subject: clinton's 5K time
Reply-To: griffith@CCVAX1.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:31:03 GMT

So what WAS Clinton's time for 5K...just curious to know what "mediocre is"
From: shishir@acs.bu.edu (Shishir Gundavaram)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Ankle Problem (Revisted)
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:11:40 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: shishir@acs.bu.edu


Hi,

I asked this question a couple of months ago, and I didn't get
any resposes. Since then, I went to the doctor a couple of times, and he
says that he doesn't know what it is (X-Rays came out negative).
Here is my problem:

If I stand straight with my feet making full contact with the ground, and
then slowly proceed to bend down with my knees, with the feet still in contact,
I experience pain in my ankle. 

Does anybody know what the problem is?  Can you please mail any responses
to: shishir@acs.bu.edu.

Thanks,

--Shishir

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: the famous Michael Johnson, not me!
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:52:21 GMT

I just received a letter in the mail from a kid who thinks I am the Michael  
Johnson who just competed in Barcelona!  Well, I'm pretty sure that wasn't me  
but the kid's letter was very nice and asked for an autograph which makes me  
feel like a heel if I just throw it away.  So, does anyone have an address or  
know where I can find the address for Michael Johnson?  I think he's from  
Dallas Texas.  I'd love to forward the letter to him.

Thanks,

Michael Johnson
michael@monitor.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: The Self Coached Runner
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:48:05 GMT

The whole point with these "in order to run blah, you should be able to do ..."
is that a lot of people want to know how fast they might be able to run at
distance X without ever having run that distance.  This makes a fair amount of
sense if X is a marathon because it is pretty important to have an idea what
you are capable of so you don't go out too fast.  In a 10k, it is more just
because people are interested.

(Rick Schubert) writes:
>People who are naturally better at shorter distances are
>going to find a 6:15 mile much easier than a 43-minute 10K, and people
>naturally better at longer distances are going to find the 43-minute 10K
>easier.

Actually, it is pretty well established that the faster you are at the shorter
distances, the faster you will be at the long distances (see Noakes' book).
Said differently, the best predictor of speed in a long distance race is speed
in a shorter race (by shorter I mean 800, 1500, 5k or 10k, not 100meters and
by longer I mean 10k, marathon or ultra).    The best milers could have been
the best marathoners, had they chosen to train for the marathon instead of the
mile.

Note that I am not talking about the minor differences between two elite
runners.  You cannot take runner A who runs a 3:49 mile and runner B who
runs a 3:54 mile and say A has more potential than B in the marathon.  But you
can say that since both A and B have elite performance in the mile, both
would be elite marathoners if they trained for it.  Further, if C trained
for the mile and could never break 4:12,  (ie. very talented but not elite), C
will be a very talented but not elite in the marathon. 
-- 
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3531 Boelter Hall			day:     310 206-8696
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University of California
Los Angeles, 90024-1596
From: puc@aber.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: suppliers of kite materials in UK
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:30:59 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1993Jan4.103942.11029@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wbs@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.141316.2781@ohm.york.ac.uk>, jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) writes:
>> Hello all
>> 	I'm interested in finding sources of the following
>> in the UK:
>> 
>> i) Tyvek - Is this known by anything else in the UK? I believe
>> I would recognise it if I saw it. (I haven't tried PaparChase
>> or similar yet)
>
>Well, years ago I got some from the Kite Shop in London; but I haven't seen
>any for sale for ages. In fact I haven't seen anyone flying a kite made
>from Tyvek for years (except my own Sleds and Russell Hall.) I have a vague
>feeling that I read somewhere that it wasn't easily available any more.
>
>
>B.

Try Greens of Burnley, I bought some tyvek afew years ago for #1/m.
They produce a "colour it yourself" childrens kite kit so should
still stock tyvek. I dont have the address handy tho'.

BTW John Nicholl, are youstill out there ? Your e-mail keepsbouncing.

Paul (puc@ac.aberystwyth)
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: large tetras
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:38:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Just one question; Why do you want to build a tetra?

If your looking for power, there are much better alternatives. If you like
the design, I would encorage you to examine the work of Bell and duplicate
his work as a historical endevor (SP?). 

Otherwise, KITELINES had an article about an obtruse tetra a few issues
ago. I friend build one and it's OK, but not fantastic. The big thing
is going to be the connectors. Marty related a very valid option, the
use of wire ties. They can be had at hardware stores in the electrical
section.  
-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Postscript files
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:46:55 GMT

In <2575@cix.cict.fr> besse@cix.cict.fr (Philippe Besse) writes:

>I got problems with postscript files. After uudecode, ... 
>they are damaged. It seems that a lot of information are lost 
>throw Atlantic Ocean ... Is it possible to get them by means of ftp ?
>Thanks

If you mean my posting, I suppose they shouldn't cross the Atlantic
on the way from Finland to France:-) I don't have a site to put them
for ftp-access, I mailed them as plain text to you in a separate message.

Smooth Winds

P.S. did you uncompress after uudecode? did you tar after uncompress?