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From: pki@ipsa.reuter.com (Phil King)
Subject: Re: miraa / khat / qat
Organization: Reuters Information Services (Canada) Ltd., Toronto, Ontario
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.174853.13303@cognet.ucla.edu> seger@cognet.ucla.edu (Carol Seger) writes:
>From: seger@cognet.ucla.edu (Carol Seger)
>
>Thought I'd introduce some real life experience into this
>discussion. 

By all means, let's introduce some facts into this discussion.

>I lived in Kenya for a year where khat is grown and is legal.
>In Kenya it is called miraa, and supposedly the best is grown
>near Meru National Park. I certainly know that a lot of people

[accurate description of miraa use omitted]

>I believe it was illegal in Somalia until the government there
>disintegrated.

I think the Somali president tried to make khat illegal near the end
of his regime, but this had little or no effect on consumption.

>My husband bought a bunch once and we tried to figure out what to
>do with it. We chewed a bit, but that lasted for about 1 stalk --
>the stuff tastes absolutely vile. Then we made tea and choked
>it down. No interesting effects, but we did have a lot of trouble
>getting to sleep a few hours later. I suspect that it may require
>some practice to learn to enjoy it. Also, I believe that it is usually
>chewed with lime (a base) [similar to coca leaf in the Andes], which
>we didn't do.

I travelled for a couple of months with someone who chewed a bunch every
day.  He had an invariable routine for chewing, which involved a specific
type of bubble gum (Big Red?  Big Chief?), a specific brand of 7-UP-like
soda pop, and a bunch of miraa (sometimes called mirungi).  He would take
a little piece of gum, maybe about half the size of a pea, a leaf or two,
then take a tiny swig of pop.  He and his friends would sit around adding
to the mass in their mouths until the entire bunch was consumed.  

Miraa chewers never took the top off the pop
bottle, they always made a small hole in the top with a nail.  If you ever
saw a case of empties of this particular brand in a shop somewhere, every
single bottle would have the top still on, but with a nail hole through it.

>As I understand it, miraa is perhaps somewhat stronger than caffeine,
>but weaker than ethanol or THC. Comparisons to crack are pretty
>ridiculous, unless crack is a lot weaker than I have been led to
>believe.
>
>Carol.

Well, I'll confess to trying it, but I did it half-heartedly and didn't chew
enough to feel a strong effect.  My days of enthusiastically trying every new
drug that comes my way are long over.  However, my friend, who has a *lot* of
experience with drugs and their effects, said the buzz was kind of in between
drinking a lot of coffee and taking a mild amphetamine dose.

Comparisons to crack are way, way off-base.

/Phil
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Shrooms
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:33:01 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <1992Dec12.030756.9588@lunatix.uucp> chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
>I've never shroomed before, and I'm going to have the chance to do so around 
>Christmas.  I was wondering if anyone can give me a tip on first-time 
>dosage, or anything else.  Also, I believe they're going to cost either $100 
>for a half-oz. or 100 for an oz.  I can't remember.. 

$100 for 1/2 once is the norm around here... normally $25 by the eighth...
Which is the prevelant dosage too... although you may want to use only 1/16 or
so to start...

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: Sancho Panza
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:06:38 CST

In article <92351.142657MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
David B. Horvath, CDP <MBADBH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
 
>>  and my little touch to this ad: GET REAL
>
>   I just saw this cartoon for the first time - I failed to see the WOD/AIDS
>   connection.  The way it was worded implied drinking alcohol to excess
>   rather than illegal drug consumption.  There is the popular media life-style
>   that includes getting drunk, waking up next to someone you don't remember
>   meeting before, and not remembering the night before.
>
>   IMHO, *that* is what the ad was playing on - drinking & irresponsible sex.
>   The WOD (or drug) connection was purely coincidence.
>
>       - David
>
Hoooowever... there is a more rediculous ad:  The scene is a smoking car
piled up against a tree with two kids "going at it" in the back.  The
ominous narrator says Joey (some name, I forget which) has been in a
fatal accident today and he doesn't know it... he's also about to get
AIDS.  At some point the mention Marijuana as the means of getting high.
The clincher is the same as the cartoon "Get high, get stupid, get AIDS."
How's that for utterly ludicrous?
 
 
Sancho Panza
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U))
Subject: Re: Transportation of controlled substa
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:43:37 GMT

In article <1301300220@igc.apc.org> esterling@igc.apc.org (Eric Sterling) writes:
>
>
>Carrying drugs on an airplane flight is stupid.  The risks are high.  You
>are subject to search for suspicion of weapons.  Baggage will be x-rayed.
>You go through a metal detector.  If you set it off, and your keys, pens,
>coins, etc. once removed don't quiet the machine security goes over you
>with a wand.
>

I don't see how a controlled substance would set off a metal detector?  I
was discussing this with a friend who recently visited Jamaca and transported
about an oz of MJ.  She just concealed it inside some fresh smelling tampon
packages  8-)   Also, she mentioned that they had dogs smiffing luggage and
carry-on luggage at the Jamaican (i can't spell) airport.  I imagine that
the dogs were sniffing for the Ganja, not bombs, but who knows what those
K-9s can detect.  I don't see why you couldn't just hide whatever you're
trying to smuggle in your pant legs.  They don't X-Ray you, only use a metal
detector.  I wouldn't think there are too many drugs that would set off a 
metal detector.  =-)   This would seem to work to me.  ????????

>The penalties are high -- Federal fines of up to a million dollars for
>felony transportation.
>
>Just getting busted is an awful hassle.  Jail until bailed.

It would be rather a bummer to get caught smuggling drugs.  8-)

---------====> Mike

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Caloric sources (was Re: Chromium What ?)
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:47:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.000712.21234@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:
>
>: In article <1gmir8INN3qh@garnet.msen.com> josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup) writes:
>: >She claims that she is taking a product called Chromium Picolinate
>: >200 Mcg per tab. This wonderfull little over the counter thing is
>: >supposed to turn your fat into protien ie: no weight gain etc.
>
>: She is a victim of quackery.  No drug can magically dissolve/change fat.
>: Only exercise can do that.

>That, and a reduced caloric intake.

Or changing the sources of calories.  Annu.Rev.Biochem 1990 59:689-710 (an
article entitled "Biochemical Aspects of Obesity") has this to say:

"The sources of nutriment have a striking influence on fat deposition.
The high caloric content of fat (9 Cal/gm) in comparison with carbohydrate
or protein (4 Cal.gm) is a deceptive influence on caloric intake.  Even
when equicaloric amounts of food are consumed, the high fat diet is more
conducive to obesity, because 3% of the calories of ingested fat are
required to convert it to adipose tissue lipid, whereas 23% of the
calories of ingested starch are expended during its conversion to
triglyceride.  These calculated values are substantiated by feeding
single supplements to rats on a basal diet...

The type of carbohydrate in the diet can also influence fat deposition.
Several investigations involving humans and rats have demonstrated
that diets containing fructose are more conducive to the synthesis of
fat and cholesterol than diets containing equicaloric amounts of
glucose or starch.  The biochemical basis for this is likely the difference
in the metabolic pathways followed by these two sugars..."

>Bill

(I know this is inappropriate for alt.drugs but it's really interesting.
Besides, it might be useful next time someone has mj-induced munchies!)

  --M@
From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Shrooms
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:36:07 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Dec16.230937.10786@lunatix.uucp>, chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
> In article <1gnp11INN727@menudo.uh.edu> st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>>Wow, I never had to buy shrooms before.  Just always picked them myself.
>>I guess some areas just aren't as lucky....
>>
>>Later....
>>Dave
>>st1qb@jetson.uh.edu
> 
> I'm pretty sure that shrooms don't grow in late fall/winter.


To my knowledge this is the only time of year they grow in
Victoria and the ACT, Australia.
> 
> -- 
> Chad Helfenberger
> (chelf@lunatix.uucp) 

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:32:30 GMT

oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
: In article <1992Dec13.082622.23710@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >He made the statement - several times. He believe that the drug laws and
: >courts saved his brother's life.
: 
: His brotherwas an alcoholic, not a drug addict, so it's puzzling why he used
: this as an example.  On the plus side, when asked what he would have done
: different about trying to smoke pot, Clinton said "I would have inhaled"
: (MTV appearance).

Sorry, an alcoholic is a drug addict. He is just addicted to a legal drug.

: >Except, the courts have ruled that physical labor is "unjust punishment".
: 
: Which is a peculiar notion, since prison labour can offset some of the costs
: of incarceration and is far less unjust than non-consensual anal rape.

I think it was partly because convicts, in some parts of the country, were
often worked to death. So, in their usual enlightened manner, instead of
just prohibiting the abuse, they made the hard labor illegal - period.

I personally feel that a convict should have to work, while in prison. After
all, they worked to get there - they should work to cover as much of the 
$30-$40 thousand dollars/year it costs to keep them in prison.

Bill
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From: victory@cs.montana.edu (Victor Hanson)
Subject: Mescaline
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:16:13 GMT

I got a question for whoever cares to respond.  About a year or so ago, a few
friends and I managed to get a hold of a bunch of Mescaline(spelling?).  We
had quite the good time with this stuff.  I guess my questions are:  What is
Mescaline?  I have been told that it is a synthetic form of Peyote, or 
something like that.  If this is not true, what is it made of? 




victory@fubar.cs.montana.edu
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From: richardg@idca.tds.philips.nl (Richard Grear)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Hemp legalization arguments
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: richardg@nofssrv.syssup.tds.philips.nl (Richard Grear)
Disclaimer: This is not necessarily the opinion of anyone else

In <DEEB.92Dec10121704@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> deeb@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Stephen Humble) writes:

>chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) sez:
>> ALL, I repeat ALL drugs should be legalized, unconditionally.

>A nit: indiscriminate use of antibiotics leads to antibiotic-resistant
>bacteria *real* fast.  Talk to an infection-control specialist

>What about drugs that might be used recreationally, but are much more
>toxic than pot or opiates?  Should I be able to buy large amounts of
>scopolamine or phenobarbital over the counter?
Your assumption Steven is that recreational users will try everything they can
get their sticky little fingers on. I think this may be valid in a situation
where supply is severly restricted but not when there is an open supply.
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From: peter@celia.UUCP (Peter Farson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What can we do? (NORML)
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:52:23 GMT
Reply-To: celia!peter@usc.edu (Peter Farson)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <Bz8JEn.FnL@udecc.engr.udayton.edu> mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U)) writes:
)
)What are some of the things that we can do locally to make a difference?
)A lot of people don't know much about drugs at all, except to "Just say NO."
)I think that NORML has been trying to do a lot in the past and present, but
)I think that if individual people started educating those around them that
)maybe we can make a difference.  Hell, alcohol seems to be a lot more dangerous
)than MJ, and it's legal!  I'm curious as to what I can do here, on campus,
)to help promote drug reform laws.  Any imput would greatly be appreciated!

  I think that the current political climate makes legalization of drugs
highly unlikely.  A politician views taking a "soft" public stance on
drugs too risky and dangerous.  After all, he is elected by a general
public that just might not appreciate such a stance; maybe people will thing
he has a drug "problem" if he advocates legalization or even leniency.

  I think the first step is education.  People of all types should have a
better understanding of why people (and animals) use drugs.  A very good
book on the subject is "Intoxication" (sorry, I don't have the author
handy).  This book takes what I consider a pretty balanced view, neither
glorifying the drugs nor condemning the users.  One point made in it is
that the war on drugs (where people are sentenced to prison for drug use,
like a criminal) is like trying to stop AIDS by outlawing sex.

  I think that we need to develop awareness about the absurdity of the
criminal justice system approach to the drug problem, and realize that
there are abusers who need help, and the kind of help needed is of a
medical and/or psychological therapy and support groups.  There are
many others that use drugs without abusing them, and these people don't
need help. 

  Alcohol, a legal but pretty dangerous drug, makes a good comparison.
The idea to put an alcoholic in jail to try to cure his alcoholism seems
absurd to us, but until recently, this was being done in Russia.   The
majority of alcohol users are not alcoholics. 

  I believe a politician can support a program to create drug treatment
centers to help the drug problem in the current political environment.
I hope Bill Clinton goes for this kind of approach. Developing this sort
of program would create a much better system for reducing the problems
associated with drug use and abuse.
From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Psychedelics Encyclopedia
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:07:34 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

an2347@anon.penet.fi writes:

>Just saw an ad in the UTNE READER to order the "Psychedelics Encyclopedia"
>by Peter Stafford.  It's order price is $29 US (paper edition). It has
>512 pages and 200 illustrations in the third edition.  Does anyone have
>comments on previous additions?  Is the book worth buying??

Yes. It is better than most sources, though like most encyclopedias, 
a bit of a dull read. I have only edition 1.
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   +61 3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: manderso@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson mark david)
Subject: Re: Shrooms
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:49:40 GMT

chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

>I've never shroomed before, and I'm going to have the chance to do so around 
>Christmas.  I was wondering if anyone can give me a tip on first-time 
>dosage, or anything else.  Also, I believe they're going to cost either $100 
>for a half-oz. or 100 for an oz.  I can't remember.. 

I'd say for your first time don't take much more than two grams...  As far
as the cost goes, you shouldn't pay more than $80-90 for a half-ounce.  $100
for an ounce would be an _incredible_ bargain...  :)

Hope this helps...

manderso@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Xref: sparky alt.drugs:19634 alt.folklore.urban:31035
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:25:19 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

In response to Stephen Smith's comment on LSD and strychnine, (bill nelson) 
	writes:

  +: >Bullshit. Try reading the FAQ.

sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:

  +: Presumably, you are refering to the strychnine.  The AFU FAQ doesn't
  +: mention it; I've never seen an AD FAQ.  That seems to have stirred up a
  +: bit of trouble.

That's correct, the current version of the a.f.u. FAQ does not mention
this.  However, the alt.drugs FAQ is posted monthly, and according to
it, Bill is correct.  The alt.drugs FAQ was last posted 12 December 1992.  
To save everyone the pain of seeing this point again, I'll e-mail the 
FAQ to Stephen.

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
  +
  +I thought it was in the FAQ. It should be - Terry? The information is in
  +the alt.drugs FAQ.

Sorry about that, Bill, it's one of those points that I've been meaning
to put in for sometime, but keep forgetting.  It's in now.


Terry "ULs:  Who needs drugs?" Chan
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: scottk@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Kaufman  I.S.)
Subject: drugs make you stupid?
Followup-To: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: PSD Enterprises
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:23:46 GMT

In article <15DEC199207440917@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov> olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.002556.28396@colorado.edu>, bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles) writes...
>>[stuff deleted]
>>will have a harder time making such a blanket rule.  (How would the
>>presence of barely-perceptable THC in the cashier at the local
>>McDonalds affect public safety?)
>>[stuff deleted]
>
>Gee, maybe the person comes to work a bit stoned, doesn't wash his/her hands
>after using the restroom and touches your food (the cashiers do set up your
>fries and Coke).  You eat the food contract typhoid.  Don't believe it?  It
>happened out here a couple of years ago.  Let's face it, drugs make you stupid.
>When you're stupid, you forget safety precautions, no matter what job you have.
>
>>-- 
>>Bear Giles
>>bear@fsl.noaa.gov/cs.colorado.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Need to match drug to description
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:26:43 GMT

Benjamin E Delfin (bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Hallucinogen, three letter name, begins with D.  Read about it in
: the Voice.
  Hang on, here.  I'm having second thoughts about what I wrote earlier.  
  Was this by any chance an article about a Christian church
using it as a sacrament?  Sasha told me a couple of weeks ago that a
journalist had contacted him about a church in NY which was using DPT --
Di-Propyl-Tryptamine -- an unscheduled substance.
  If so, I'd be very interested in your posting that article, or at
least some excerpts from it...

: Sends you on an inner trip into time and space, and dumps you back into
: the real world 15 minutes later.
  If it is DPT, I think it should be longer, e.g. 2+ hours (I think.)

: And is it controlled?
  DPT, and the higher n-alkyl- tryptamines, are currently uncontrolled,
though as I said they are more or less covered by the "Designer Drugs"
law.
  -- Clifton

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From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Old LSD
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:18:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Dec17.014246.1562@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> loophead@cyberden.uucp writes:
> 
> : are amounts without tolerance, mostly:)  Also, any comments on street 
> : doses in the good old days vs. today
> 
> Yep. Regardless of all the claims that they are weaker/stronger than in
> the 60s - the dosages are in the same range - generally 20 to 100 ug.
> 
> Bill

Bill, can you give a reference. I would really like to check into this.


-- Danny
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Mescaline
Organization: Webster's Drug Dictionary Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:50:57 GMT

victory@cs.montana.edu (Victor Hanson) writes:
: I got a question for whoever cares to respond.  About a year or so ago, a few
: friends and I managed to get a hold of a bunch of Mescaline(spelling?).  We
: had quite the good time with this stuff.  I guess my questions are:  What is
: Mescaline?  I have been told that it is a synthetic form of Peyote, or 
: something like that.  If this is not true, what is it made of? 

First off - it is highly doubtful that you had mescaline, or even synthetic
mescaline. The usual drug is lsd - although others have also been sold as
"mesc".

Mescaline is extracted from mescal buttons. The term peyote is used to
describe any of a number of cactii. It is also used, by some people, as
a synonym for mescaline.

By the way, you could have gained most of this information by simply looking
in any dictionary.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs