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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:42:37 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Aug13.163638.29146@seq.uncwil.edu>, frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
> mcbeanhead@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
 ^^^^^^^^^^^

child....

> 
>>In article <1992Aug12.033930.6310@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("No Real Bizness") writes:
> 
> 
>>I think the PC term for "Franklin the Flippant Fool" is that he is
>>intellectually challenged.
> 
>>> Malcolm Dildo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
            ^^^^^

Ooh, good attention grabbing little boy!  Are you "emotionally challenged" as
well?  Damn this is a fun break from thesis writing.
> 
>>McBeanhead
 ^^^^^^^^^^^

*clever* child.....

> 
> 
> 
> Although few people with any intellect have been on this soc.blah.blah.
> blah to challenge me with anything (oh yeah, some bullshit about my
> stats being bad....we'll see .........heeheehee :)

The question is, why waste intellect on somebody who belongs in the playpen or
nursery?  My two year old niece needs a playmate Franklin, wher can I get hold
of you? 

M_____

(Your exercise for the day is to fill in the missing blanks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:59:04 GMT

stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Stinken Slowall) writes:


>Somebody needs to pop a cap in yo white trash head, muthafuckah.

Just goes to show the mentality that I am dealing with here sometimes
on soc.blah.blah.blah. Violence is a major means of oppression, this
is an example of how a black person oppresses a white: trying to 
inflict fear by means of VIOLENCE. By the way, Stinken, how many 
white trashes do you know that are straight A math students?
From: cadet@finesse.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: >> " Acting white "
Keywords: discriminate
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:39:58 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Yeah!
That is a familiar story.
Last summer, I was talking to my brother about some domestic
issues. He was talking how dirty the house was and how my 
uncle keeps dumping the place, etc. He wanted to use the basement
for some business purposes. I told him " What are you complaining
about ? My uncle allows you to live here rent-free. It's should
not be a problem for you to clean the basement and do whatever
business you want. If you put in the work, you can do as you wish"
  As soon as I said these words,
my brother, my own brother, says to me:
"you talk like a white man"

I needn't ask how pissed I was. I left right away without a word.
The irony is that he and I are racially mixed. Same mother and father.
That really hurt my feelings then, especially since it was coming from
him. Sibling rivalry doesn't die off easy.

That was my two cents.
Such is life. 
Live, learn, and let go!
TiJon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: The Republican convention [and Buchanan]
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.155023.6037@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>Oh my God. I always knew Buchanan was only a half-step away from David
>Duke. Now I know he's even closer than that.  They probably have the
>same shoe size.
>
>Anyway. This whole election year bit is sending mutliple chills down
>my spine. Part of me just really want to back up and bug outta this
>country and let the bastards have it.
>
.
.
I'd love beam off this planet, really. A friend of mine was saying
she was looking for other places to go recently.  But hey, there's
"no hiding place down here." Press on, fight on, defeat 'em...any
way possible.  Even breathing...
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: This FRANKLIN person]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:31:03 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Well lets see.  Could it be?  Why yes it is.  The proverbial 'superiority
complex'.  Now there is his intellect, ours, and that of the individual
that created all I can truely comprehend.  Now I wonder which one of these
intellect's (opinions) I am going to choose.  Now there is a STAT for
you Carter old boy....
--bob

*****************
mcbeanhead@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <1992Aug12.033930.6310@news2.cis.umn.edu>, mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("No Real Bizness") writes:


>I think the PC term for "Franklin the Flippant Fool" is that he is
>intellectually challenged.

>> Malcolm Dildo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu

>McBeanhead



Although few people with any intellect have been on this soc.blah.blah.
blah to challenge me with anything (oh yeah, some bullshit about my
stats being bad....we'll see .........heeheehee :)
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Good Quote]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 01:41:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

Sigh....  You see he is saying the same as the masters of old said.
Sad, sad, sad confused state of reality...
--bob

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From: william carter franklin <frankli@seq.uncwil.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:31:47 GMT
To:       scaa@pica.army.mil

kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:




>    One of two things is true.  Either you've changed my mind,  or I still think
>   the death penalty is not just punishent for drinking and driving. 

>    Do you have bumper stickers on your car?


LIFE IN PRISON OR A GOOD BEATING. WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEATH 
PENALTY? PUNISHMENTS do DETER CRIMES.

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From: andrew.wiggs%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Andrew Wiggs) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: andrew.wiggs%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Andrew Wiggs) 


WCF>Remember, I did not bring up CANADA, I said that the UNITED STATES
WCF>is the BEST COUNTRY FOR BLACK PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. LOOK AT THE DREAM
WCF>TEAM. LOOK AT OUR OLYMPIC TRACK TEAM. BY FAR, THE MOST OLYMPIC GOLD
WCF>MEDALS WON BY BLACK PEOPLE WERE UNITED STATES SPONSORED AND NURTURED.
WCF>WE ARE GOOD TO BLACK PEOPLE HERE.

I agree that America is the Best Country to live whether you're
black or not.  However, your logic is faulty.  The Dream Team and
America's Track Team  show that success is attainable for Black
Americans based on individual initiative (not saying they did not
receive help from their community, family, or whomever) not the
nurturing of the United States. In the USA there exist a measure of
opportunity for all of her people. The level of opportunity is skewed on
econmical, racial, sexual, and various other basis; but there exist the
greatest potential to improve yourself and your position in life  in
this than in any other country I know. The athletes you referred to
show that blacks can turn that opportunity to success.  But, it has
NOTHING to do with the US being "GOOD TO BLACK PEOPLE."

---
 . OLX 2.1 TD . All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
                                                                                       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:06:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212240.17668@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu (Malcolm McDILDO Moore) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.183144.13211@seq.dumb.edu> frankli@seq.dumb.edu (william carter slim-jim franklin) writes:
>
>$More Black neighborhoods are patrolled than white naeighborhoods
>$if you study the demographics versus the policeman hours.
>$Check it and see. In my city (about which I have posted my EXTENSIVE
>$research on soc.blah.blah.blah) the man hours are lopsided about three
>$to one in favor of the black neighborhoods (before 1992 programs were
>$began).
>
>I don't recall seeing any statistics like these.
.
Neither do I.  Especially the part about the cops being more obvious
in the community.  What about when people dial 911 (as in a recent
rap song, and they don't show the hell up?
.
>$Also, your statement about a Black being more conspicuous in a white
>$neighborhood than a white in a Black neighborhood is false. I can
>$tell you believe all of the hype that is shoveled on soc.blah.blah.blah
>$and other places where Anti-white Pro-black sewage is prevalent.
>$A white person who ever tries to walk through Creekwood here, or
>$drives down Castle Street is certain to be mugged or killed. They are
>$conspicuous to the violent blacks. By contrast, a Black man can walk
>$through ANY neighborhood he wants in 1992 without fear of violence
>$in this city.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Probably not fear from the neighborhood residents, but rather fear from the
>police.
.
I'm not sure what town/city you are speaking of, but young black
males get jacked up constantly by copperinos in Palo Alto, home of
so-called liberal, anti-Western Civ Stanford University.
.
Not every black walking down the street, male or female, is out to
bust up a white person, whether they were wearing BKs or Rockports.

>$I bet Reginald Denny was conspicuous.
>
>
>I bet he was.
.
The only thing I can say about Reginald Denny is from Dr. John:
"Right place, wrong time."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:38:34 GMT

In article <m=#nbqr.barnhart@netcom.com>,
barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart) writes a response to my squib:
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
>>Buchanan isn't the only Republican noted for this kind of behavior.
>>Ken Malek, that Nixonian dip from the deep who is now in Bush's
>>camp, has said a few likewise statements about Jews and other
>>minorities.
>
>And let's not forget Pat's tirade against the Zionists in Israel
>and their "amen corner" in the U.S.!  I understand that was the
>first time someone ever had his subscription to Commentary
>canceled -- by the magazine!
.
.
And I just remembered, it's not Ken Malek, it's Fred Malek.  There
is a guy named Ken Malek, however...perhaps they're related.
.
George Washington Herbert Hoover Bush speaks tonight.  I saw some
indication that my country ain't buying this shit that's been on TV
for almost a week.  The new ABC/Washington Post poll says Clinton
58, Bush 33. I wonder whether the War Wimp speaking might change
things, but if not, there's hope for South Central LA...and Evanston
and the rest of y'all.
From: mmrwlm@sn116.uca (Wanda L McCrae)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:27:15 GMT
Reply-To: mmrwlm@sn116.uca
Organization: General Electric

In article 14392@vax5.cit.cornell.edu, xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () writes:
->I'm new in the US, from the deepest heart of Africa and I've been
->following the 'Acting White' discussion with great interest. It's
->incredible! Talk of reverse discrimination!
->
->Mukunya A.K.

First of all, welcome to the U.S.  :-)

Just a quick note: discrimination is discrimination, no matter who is doing it.  So there really is
no such thing as "reverse discrimination".  It is just plain, old, ugly discrimination.

---
Wanda L. McCrae                       | I'm too cool for a signature!
mmrwlm@sn370.utica.ge.com   |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:00:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa


>In article <1992Aug8.204833.28307@m.cs.uiuc.edu>,
>carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
>>*Blech*.  That's at the same level morally as the opposite attitude
>>that a man would be better than a woman.  One might have hoped that
>>they would have some actual political reason for supporting Ms.

That *is* the political reason, you knucklehead.  Or I suppose you
have problems with Ann Richards describing George Herbert Hoover Bush
as "the fellow who reminds you of your first husband"?


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com)    |     "It is probable that, after economic
Evanston, Illinois             |    stability, the greatest single desire
                               |    in this country is for a reduction in
Jeremiah 6:14                  |    paranoia."          -- Stanley Crouch
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Black man wins popularity contest
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:11:14 GMT

In article <36784@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
$From today's Gainesville Sun:
$
$        NEW YORK -- Americans may still be ambivalent about the
$        Presidential aspirants, but their preferences are decidedly
$        clear on the issue of regular guys.  For the second
$        consecutive year, the "voting public" has overwhelmingly
$        selected Bill Cosby, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter
$        Jennings as the nation's most regular guys, according to a
$        Gallup survey released recently.
$
$        ... A 1991 Gallup poll determined regular guys to be
$        down-to-earth, hard working, responsible, willing to lend a
$        hand, and honest.
$
$        Television's superdad Bill Cosby swept the regular guy ratings
$        with 42 percent of the votes.
$
$        [...]
$
$What do y'all suppose this means?

It don't mean a damn thing.

So what that Bill Cosby won a "regular guy" award.  To tell you the troof he
isn't even "regular." He's a TV star.  Motherfuckin I'M regular.  Mother-
fuckin Fred Rozenblad is regular.  Motherfuckin Charles Isbell is regular.
Why can't we win any "regular guy" awards?  The only reason he won the award
was because he has been forced down the throats of 100 000 000 people for 8
years and his show was a hit.  It's like havin some good p----.  Once you
got it you can't do nothin BUT think about it.

I think it's of minor (if any) significance to black people, especially me.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
Subject: Re: Tuskegee Experiment on Syphillis
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:40:18 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Aug11.184756.8197@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>I saw a disturbing documentary last night on the Tuskegee experiment on blacks
>in Macon County Alabama.  For those of you  who don't know it was a controlled
>experiment carried on for over 40 yrs where syphillitic men were treated with
>placebos to observe the effect of untreated syphillis.  The timespan was from
>the late '20's to the end of the '60's.
>
>This was done without "informed consent" (the words of one racist piece of
>trash who was involved with the project) of the men themselves.  Even after the
>advent of arsenic compounds and later penicillin as a cure, these men were
>still given placebos so that this barbaric experiment could proceed.
>
>Most chilling was the attitude of some of the doctors involved.  
>[some details deleted]
>It makes you wonder how many of these doctors are
>still floating around in the public health system, making these dreadful
>decisions.  The saddest thing is that, according to the trailer for this
>documentary, the US Health service has yet to make a formal apology.

Late last year Prime Time Live did a segment on this. They interviewed
a doctor who was in charge of the program from 1950-55, as well as 
several survivors. The doctor's name is Sidney O'Linsky (sp?) and he
still practices part time in Atlanta! I really wished I could have
choked him through the tv when I saw it -- he showed absolutely no
signs of remorse and even laughed/smiled at some of the questions.
In his words "[The subjects] got what they wanted. One thing about the
rural Black is that they want to be buried decently." Since the subjects
were guaranteed burial insurance, he saw this as giving them what they
wanted. According to him, the success of the "experiment" depended on
having an isolated group of illiterate syphilis patients who couldn't
be given any treatment. They wanted to find out the long term effects
of letting syphilis run it's course. What was learned? In response to 
this question, the doctor replied, "We learned that syphilis isn't 
too bad of a disease...We had a lot of fun while we were doing it."

Of the 412 original subjects, only 27 are alive today. In 1972 when
the experiment was exposed and ended each of the survivors was 
awarded $32,000 (which amounted to less than $1000 for each year
they "participated" in the experiment). No criminal charges have been
filed against any of the doctors because "it is not clear that at the
time they were breaking any laws."... now ain't that America!?

If anyone is shocked by this then they don't want to know what the
World Health Organization is doing with AIDS in Africa.

	Darryle
"I know there is a devil, 'cuz he talks so loud!" -- P. R. Nelson
From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: >> " Acting white "
Date: 14 Aug 1992 22:28:00 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ISBELL.92Aug14090252@panther.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes...
>This "you talk like a White man" think is irritating I suppose and
>I've never argued that it doesn't exist.  What I have argued is that
>there is no widespread "being successful" = "acting White" view in the
>Black community.
> 
>I'm posting this to clear up what I think (judging by my email) is a
>misunerstanding of my position.  This thread has splintered into
>several different subthreads.  I'm most interested in the one where
>some of ya'll have asserted that Black folx think that being
>successful is the same thing as being White or selling out.  I think
>that's the most dangerous of all the conditions that have been
>asserted.  I really would have loved to read the answers to my list of
>questions posted earlier....
>--
>Peace.
>                           "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
>                                                     -- Dan Quayle
>                                   -\--/-
>    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
>          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
>                                   -/--\-
> 
I started this thread based on the fact that some black students do
think being successful in school is the same thing as acting white or 
selling out. It is the most dangerous. 

Tim Sebesta
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:18:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.194723.23450@crd.ge.com>,
mmrwlm@sn116.uca (Wanda L McCrae) writes:
>Please refer me to the documentation (re Bush's reliance on drugs).
I believe you, but I would like to see it in official print >and
pass the word around with the reference to back it up.
.
.
Please see SCAA No. 17729 re my response on Bush's taking Halcion.
.
What I did not say in my last post is that Halcion is a sleeping
pill. (These guys have trouble sleeping!) He had been taking it for
a while until he got sick.
.
Bush stopped taking Halcion on doctors' orders after his almost
abortive trip to Japan earlier this year (February 1992) when it got
out in the press about what kind of "blue bomb" he was taking.  As
far as documentation look into the news reports around his getting
sick, both AP and UPI.  I subscribe to the SF Chronicle.  One of
them will definitely say that his jet lag, the flu, and the Halcion
may have worked havoc on him.  If you need further, further, further
stuff, I'll dig up the piece my lonesome.
.
John F. Kennedy smoked marijuana for his bad back (WWII wound). But
Dan Quayle, who also has (supposedly) smoked doobies for purely
recreational purposes unrelated to his golf game, is no JFK.
.
May I also reiterate that when you mix certain drugs, like blood
pressure medication, sleeping pills, thyroid tablets,
ANYTHING--strange things can occur. I've noticed behavioral changes
in my mother simply because of the meds she has to take.  Even the
secretary that works me with says that Bush looks mighty strange
lately, his mouth is strictured as if he's had a stroke.  No one
ever knew how sick FDR was until it was too late and because our
presidents are "leaders of the free world" it's considered nearly
treasonable to talk about how sick one might be. You gotta be
careful.
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Summary: BEV origin.
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:57:55 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <36733@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>There's really a continuum of dialects ranging from "Plantation
>Creole" to just a hint of an accent attached to Standard American
>English.  And a lot of people are not stuck at one particular point on
>that continuum, but can slide in one direction or another as the
>situation warrants.

	Isn't there some influence from African languages? I know of a few
words which are still used in the Caribbean (mainly food dishes) that
are African. There is also a strong European influence. For example, some
Caribbean islands that were colonised by the British inherited various 
distinct dialects from England, Ireland Scotland and Wales, depending on
the plantation owners.

>Plantation Creole was presumably spoken by a large percentage of
>slaves.  It was fairly similar to modern Jamaican Patois, and can
>still be heard among the Gullah people of South Carolina and Georgia,
>who until very recently were isolated from the rest of American
>society.  

>David
	If you read Zora Nealson's "Their Eyes Were Watching God," the
accents are almost Caribbean. I actually thought they were at first.




-- 
Patrice Simon
simon@acsu.cc.buffalo.edu			v5097ucd@ubvms.buffalo.edu
opnsimon@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: bm2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Beatrice Mitchell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Afrocentricity Conferences ??
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:46:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eYv0pC00UzxI1nF5E
Organization: Human Resources-Benefits, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


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