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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:50:12 EST
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Styx

Marsha (the ambulance chaser B-)) said:

>subjective. In my opinion, _Turnstiles_ (Billy Joel), _Dream Into Action_
>(Howard Jones), _Four On The Floor_ (The Nylons), _Caught in the Act_
>(Styx) _Good Morning Vietnam_ (soundtrack) and _Future Fossils_ (Christine
>Lavin) are among the best albums of all time. That only means that they are

I'm curious about your choice of _Caught In The Act_ as one of your favourites
of all time...Growing up in Montreal, "Suite Madame Blue" was just about as big
as "Stairway to Heaven" in high school. I was (still am) a big fan of their
middle stage albums..._Equinox_, _Crystal Ball_, _Grand Illusion_ and _Pieces
of Eight_. I was disappointed with _Cornerstone_, even more so with _Paradise
Theatre_ and absolutely loathed _Kilroy Was Here_. I didn't pay too much
attention to _Caught In The Act_ because I never thought of Styx as a great
live act (saw them once and they were decent). I don't think I've ever heard a
song off that live album...

Do you like it as a live album or more as a "greatest hits" compilation (I'm
not sure what songs are on it, but I assume most of the biggies are there)?
Do they have a lot of their old stuff on it? Or do they concentrate more on
songs like the dreaded "Too Much Time on my Hands" (shudder, shudder...).

While I'm at it, anyone know much about their first 4 albums? _Styx_, _Styx II_
(with "Lady"), _The Serpent is Rising_ and _Man Of Miracles_ (?)...Worth
picking up in a bargain bin?

Bob T

P.S. Your a cappella tapes have me curious. I'll send you a note this week
about a possible trade...
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: interesting Pete Townshend quote....
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:19:28 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92111302051761@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> SOUND CAN WASH CLOTHES <TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET> writes:
>I'm stuggling with the question of whether to renew my subscription of
>Rolling Stone. I've been with them for 6 years now, mostly cuz I was buying

Lose it!

>every 5th issue anyway, and with a 3 year subscription, the price per issue
>was less expensive, only about $.45 each compaired to a cover price of
>$2.50. I'd rather subscribe to a jazz mag, but Downbeat and Jazziz often
>leave me cold. I mean, hell, this month Downbeat did a several page article
>on our beloved Kenny G and how he's paved the way for so many, like Dave Koz
>and others. They even listed all his equipment. I mean, I know Downbeat has
>to pay the bills, but geez, Sun Ra hasn't been on their cover in over a
>decade. I wish they'd do a huge article on him now, before he "returns to
>the great Saturn in the sky." Are there any other jazz mags out there that
>I should take a look at?

Forget Downbeat and Jazziz.  Try Cadence.  If you are in Chicago, Tower has 
it, the Jazz Record Mart has it.  Buy a copy, and if you like it, then
subscribe.  It has tons of reviews, and they cover the stuff that 
other jazz mags don't.  They also have a mail order service, you can get
lots of records that the record stores don't carry.


Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:04:23 EST
From:         DARON MCNAB <IDPM@SNYCENVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bleating and babbling, we fell on his neck with a scream
              5 Nov 1992 16:06:52 -0500 from <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

Thats exactly what I said.  No direct accusation that anyone is a Fag.

Look up flame if you don't know what it means.

                                              Adammit
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:03:01 -0500
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: Thanks!

>I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that called me childish, and stupid,
>and an all-a-round asshole!  You just incouraged me to speak my mind freely
>(oops I forgot, I can't on this list unless I agree with all of you).
>
>By the way, while I was flipping through all your B.S. I came across someone
>giving the Judas Priest fan a hassle.  Boy, that seems like the same thing I
>did and got all this shit for.  But I'm sure you all will flame him the same
>way!  NOT!
>
>         Hugs and Kisses! (pewk)
>               Daron
>                    "I'm Demon alchohol..Ha Ha..."
>                                               Ozzy
Daron,
     I for one happen to like heavy metal.  I enjoy Judas Priest, Ozzy,
Metallica, Megadeth, Lizzy Borden, Iron Maiden, etc.  The point of the
responses you got today (at least not mine) was not to criticize you for
liking heavy metal, it was to criticize your blatant hostility.  If you
want to respond to something someone has to say to you, there are certainly
better ways to go about it.
     As far as the Judas Priest responses go, I seem to remember someone
saying that they also liked Judas Priest, but that they felt that albums
other than the one listed were also good.  Relax a little man, you'll live
longer.

                                Jeremy

____________________________________________________________________________
If fire fighters fight fires and crime fighters fight crime, what do
freedom
fighters fight?
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:23:11 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: McNaBlets
              tHe MaDd" at Nov 8, 92 5:39 pm

>
> PS the rythm of the speach is taken from an old tape of a
>    classic southern revival, tent and all.  The really
>    interesting thing is that the speaker was lyrical and
>    creative with the rythms he employed to carry the message.
>    it would be fascinatin'to hear a work of jazz based
>    around the phrasing that some of these charismatic
>    speakers employ.
>                                        Posted and musically
>                                          relevant.
>                                                   EdD
>

 You're a bloody genius!  Will the latest annotated edition of The
Complete Works of EdD the MadD be available anytime soon?

What you say about the phrasings of a revival preacher and jazz is as on target
 as all of your devastating parries and thrusts...

Well, there's "The Preacher" by electric-organ man Jimmy Smith (from his
EARLY days... of "HIgh Heeled Sneakers" and such--later he got kind of tame).
If I sat down with my collection and really thought about it and listened to a
lot of stuff, I know I could come up with more specific examples (which I
unfortunately can't do this Monday morning at work), but the parallel is
meaningful more generally because I feel there is a REAL connection between the
verbal energy of Southern Black preaching and the rhythms of jazz.
Which also reminds me of a live tape (contradiction, but we'll let that pass)
generously sent me by the Little Inquisitor of DExter Gordon, and you should
hear the rhythms of his speaking (before he plays) lead right into the rhythms
of the jam.  There is a definite pulse, a throb of silence and speech, of power
and gentleness, in that kind of speech that you hear also in (some) jazz.
Also I recently bought a book of the sermons of Rev. C. L. Franklin, Aretha's
father, a very renowned minister, and the rhythms of those sermons are
fascinating.  Where do you think Aretha got that beat?

Write on, right on, write on, EdD...

Sonia

P.S. If any of you have heard of the local (yet renowned nationally)
African-American artist, Aminah Brenda Lynn Robinson--whose work is JUST
GREAT!!@@@--well, yesterday she was signing copies of the first book of hers
ever to come out--wonderful drawings plus words of old spirituals; and there
was a woman there named Anna Grace who was singing some spirituals (a
cappella, Marsha), and it was quite an amazing occasion.  This all took place
in a bookstore where there was a lot of other commotion (it's a very big
store), and it was really something to see this woman go into herself and find
the place that could begin to sing in a very inner/spiritual way in the midst
of an extremely "non-conducive" atmosphere... You could see her reach for it
and find it.
From: USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 19:35:24 GMT
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Marco sez:
>
>         Re Pistols: you may not believe this, but a reunion is very likely.
> Some label is just about to issue an anthology, titled "Kiss This" I think...
> and there are semi-official rumours that the famous Thames concert of the
> 1977 Jubilee' will happen again. I can only laugh, if you allow me: are they
> planning to use Sid Vicious in wax? Or some other bass-player? And, apart from
> the obvious commercial meaning (hey, an OCM... :) ) does this make any sense
> in your opinion?
>         And we've had quite enough of Public Image LTD, haven't we... ;)
>
    I'd heard that rumor as well but had also heard that it was that
and only that, a rumor.  Supposed ly the rumor was started to gear up
response to a previously unreleased album _(I can't seem to remember
the title)_ in the U.S..  You're right though the prospect of SP
reuniting is somewhat if not completely ludicrous.  BTW, Sid's not
dead he's merely vacationing with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe....;-)>
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From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Blues

I just signed off the hey-joe (etc) list, so you won't be getting any more of t
hese.  Probably a blessing.  But if you're a true Hendrixian, you should
subscribe.  BTW, never did get a good answer (except for what Hosko sent) on my
 Rubber Dubber (Live at The Forum) Boot, and whether it's been "legitimately"
released. Sorry, McIntyre!

Renato "Trying to sign off as many lists as I can" Barahona
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
varak robert james <robbiev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
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>What is JH's best blues performance???

Hmmm, tough one. I'd say its a toss-up between:
   _Hear My Train A Comin'_ live, Berkeley 1970
   _Red House_ live, Isle of Wight 1970
   _Instrumental Solo_ live (aka _Villanova Junction Blues_) Woodstock 1969

Interestingly, all three occured at troubled preformances, where Jimi was
probably scared, tired, angry, and/or dissatisfied with the concerts as a
whole. For some reason, the his blusiers songs were frequently stand-out
performances even at his most trouble concerts (_Red House_ at Randells
Island 1970, _Little Wing_ at Royal Albert Hall 1969, etc).

Scott.
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:36:00 CDT
From:         MIKE <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Public Enemy

Date sent:  5-NOV-1992 11:35:23

>  Screw the expected public morals.  Be an original.
>Be a Pepper.  Like all of us.
>
>       -Tim"we are all individuals"J

OK.  Let's screw the "expected public morals."  What the hell.  You
reformed me.  One question......can we keep morals though?

Mike
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Subject:      RE: More beer under the dam that broke

Russ said:

>Hold on a minute.  I'm not talking about compression on the decay of
>the sound, I'm talking about on the attack.  Maybe it's not true
>compression, but there's a compression-like delay on the attack with
>single-coils that is not there with humbuckers.  In an attack-sustain-
>decay-release diagram, the attack slope would be less for single-coils
>than for humbuckers.  The compression-like effect on the attack of
>the note *is* caused by the pickups.

I agree, but I would call it sustain more than compression, because
compression is a signal processing term.  The reason why humbuckers
have more of an attack is because the two pickups in a humbucker are
wired out of phase in series.  This results in a cancellation of hum,
an out of phase tone.  The attack is not a clear tone (a transient)
so it is not affected as much by the out of phase configuration of the
pickups.  The result is a strong attack, a shorter sustain, and a
different tone.  One gets a similar effect with the position two
and four on the strats (where two pickups are on out of phase); the
effect is not the same, because the pickups are picking up
different regional harmonics on the string (i.e., they are further apart).

>And, I thought single-coil pickups had *more* magnetic pull than humbuckers,
>even though it is counter-intuitive.  Enough even to pull the strings
>slightly out of tune, which makes a contribution to the characteristic
>sound of the strat.  I've also found humbuckers to have *more* sustain
>than single-coils, which would indicate less magnetic pull on 'buckers.

Humbuckers would have more pull in general, because there are two magnets
(instead of one) pulling on the string, dampening the vibration of the
string. However, if the two pickups are placed with opposite
poles up, the magnetic pull would be significantly less, giving a
better sustain.  This would explain the out of tune thing on Strats
and other single coil pickups.  Phase pairing (humbucking) is a
cool way to get a good sound--odd number of pickups (like the Strat)
causes strange phase effects, and more tug on the strings.
The lace sensors have less pull (the magnets inside are configured
a strange way) so it provides a longer sustain, so a Strat Plus is
a good alternative to humbucking guitars for sustain.

Mike Masuda.
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Date: 6 Nov 92 20:12:21 GMT
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> Someone said that being called a fag was not neccesarily an insult, but
> everyone did jump down Daron's throat (no pun intended), and he deserved
> it. I'm curious how many of ya'll are homosexual..........L.W.

I'm not sure you really thought about that nefore you wrote it.
Otherwise you'd realize that unless you're a prospective mate (or at
least partner) that's not really any of your business.  I mean people
don't go around asking you if you're heterosexual do they?
    One's sexual orientation is an entirely private matter and is
privy only to the individual and the one they're with.  This isn't a
flame, only a friendly admonishment.





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Subject: Porky Pig blows his horn
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:12:43 GMT
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From: "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB%MITVMA.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Libby Doe may be your Santa Claus

>Obligatory revolutionary comment: ever heard "Independence" by This Heat?
>It's a song setting of part of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold
>these truths to be self-evident" through "... to alter or abolish it." One
>of the best political tunes I've ever heard, highly recommended.

On Branmuffin Marsalis' new album there's a tune that starts and ends with
children reciting the pledge of allegience. After  "...liberty and justice for
all" a very loud "NOT" is heard.

From: "(Russ Gelinas)" <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject: RE: [Insert catchy phrase here]

>Brotzmann is/was just in Cambridge, Mass.

I believe he's playing at the Middle East.

-Adam
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Someone said that being called a fag was not neccesarily an insult, but
everyone did jump down Daron's throat (no pun intended), and he deserved
it. I'm curious how many of ya'll are homosexual..........L.W.
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From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Club Dates: Russell Malone (Jazz Guitar)
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:37:36 GMT

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Subject: Dates: Russell Malone
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Keywords: guitar show concert


Jazz Guitarist _Russell Malone_ will be playing the following dates:

1. Boston, Nov 16, Schuler's (sp ?)

2. Costa Mesa, California, Nov 21, (location ?), 
    ** with Branford Marsalis **

3. Los Angeles, Nov 24, Lenaria

4. Chicago, Dec 10, Jazz Oasis

5. New York, Dec 14, The Bluenote


He will have several exciting musicians from Atlanta
with him (George Grier, bass; Gary Motley, piano;  ????, drums).

------------------------------------


WJM


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From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ROCK AND ROLL

> Ilia and allmusic,
>
> What are some of your faves from Deep Purple?
>
> Mike Masuda.


      Well, when I was in Russian equivalent of a high school, I had a
close friend who was crazy about Deep Purple and made me listen to
practically all of their stuff. I liked their first tunes, like
'Hush' and 'April'. My favourite album is _Deep Purple in Rock_ '70,
with famous 'Child in Time' on it; the whole album was pretty good.
Besides that... I always felt that Ritchie Blackmore was... hm...
the 'least musical' so to say of the five (I am referring to their
strongest crew - Gillan-Glover-Lord-Pace-Balckmore). So I was kinda
interested in the period when he was out. It lasted for less than a
year, but I remember at least one good song from that time - 'You Keep
On Moving'. Also, I think their first album after reunion - _Perfect
Strangers_ wasn't too bad.
      Actually, I am not a big fan of Deep Purple - I feel that they
were too restricted in the form of expression, much more than Zep. But
I do think that the band had an impact on the development of what
today is called 'hard rock' and 'heavy metal'.
                 Ilia.
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From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      re: "Executive Producer" is an oxymoron

the Bloomdido sez:

>> Anyone out there want to recommend a good music magazine? How 'bout a good
>> heavy metal magazine? Preferably one that does not feature Axl Pus and Jon
>> poseur Bon Jovi regularly. Many, many years ago, I subscribed to _Circus_.
>> Back then, they were good. Now, they seem to be just like all the others.

>I dunno, how are the metal specialist magazines like _Kerrang!_?

Never read that one.

>When did you like Circus? I sold them a few record reviews in the late '70s.
>The review editor then was Paul Nelson, a quite interesting character. He got
>hired away by Rolling Stone in 1978-79 somewhere.

I think that's about the time I subscribed. Geesh, I was only 11 or 12 at the
time. So I would say I liked them in the late '70's early '80's. Would you
believe I can still remember who was on some of the covers? I remember one with
Roger Waters, and the wall, and one of those creatures from the movie....

The first Circus I ever bought had Linda Ronstadt and Robert Plant on the
cover. It was for the annual awards they have. I think that was in 1978.

Were any of your record reviews published? What issues? Believe it or not, I
still have all of my old Circus magazines!

I remember an advice column called "Into Your Head" by Dr. Vincent Bryan. I
think he died shortly after I subscribed though.

Seeya,
Gary

     Sam:  What will you have, Norm?
     Norm: Well, I'm in a gambling mood, Sammy.  I'll take a glass of whatever
           comes out of that tap.
     Sam:  Oh, looks like beer, Norm.
     Norm: Call me Mister Lucky.
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Subject:      Anyone recognized these lyrics?

Hey there Allmusic addicts!  I was wondering if anyone might know
these lyrics.  I cant remember all of them, but here a few from memory....

        Sunshine go away today, I don't fell like singing......

Verse?  How much does it cost? I'll buy it.

Who sings this?
From: alan@lpl.org (Alan Rowoth)
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Subject: Re: Is it Folk Music, or is it Memorex
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:54:28 GMT
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     Is it Folk Music, or is it Memorex

Vin Scalsea (sp?) opens most of the "In Their Own Words-A Bunch Of Songwriters
Sitting Around Singing" shows at the Bottom Line with a quote that I think
came from Pete Seeger. I can't quote it verbatim, but the gist of it is "I
reckon it's all folk music as I ain't never seen any animals playing it..." I
called our list folk_music because that is where you usually find it in the
record store and that's what they call it at the radio station when I ask them
why they never play it. I tried to make it clear in the list announcement that
this wasn't a duplication of the excellent BGRASS-L or rec.music.folk
discussions, but primarily focused on those singer songwriters.

Believe me, I agonized over singer_songwriter_listeners@nysernet.org, but it
was just too long. I probably could have come up with a better name if I
hadn't decided to start the discussion at noon and put the group online an
hour later. Now it is what it is. I hope I haven't confused you too much.
Maybe someone will start indigenous_folk_music down the road.

later,
Alan
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