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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Birthdays
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:29:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

It would appear that I posted today's birthdays yesterday, so here are
yesterday's birthdays today:

Baseball Birthdays

October 6
Henry Chadwick, 1824 (HOF)
Jerry Grote, 1942
Gary Gentry, 1946
Jim McGlothlin, 1943
Dennis "Oil Can" Boyd, 1959
Greg Walker, 1959
Ruben Sierra, 1965
"Are We" Rich Yett?, 1962

--Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             * 
 Steve Smith                      * "We want a pitcher, not a belly itcher." 
 University of Washington HR-20   *    			-- Bill Plummer
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From: bert@ide.com (Bert Beaton)
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.093308.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> pmorris@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>The Bucs had a chance to pad the lead. It's a single to the outfield
>and the 3-b coach send Orlando Merced from second to try to score.
>Bam -- Dave Justice guns down Merced.  Why? Because of Justice's arm, but
>moreso because of Berryhill's positioning. If Lavalliere had positioned 
>himself to block the plate in the bottom of the ninth, Bream is out and
>we're into extra innings.
>
>Stig (in Newfoundland)

Stig,

I have to disagree with you here.  I think the main difference was the 
arm of Justice vs. the arm of Bonds.  If you look closely at the replay 
of that final play, Bonds' throw was pretty far up the 1st base line.
Spanky had to reach back toward the plate after catching the throw
to try and make the tag.  Had Bonds' throw been on the money, Sid
was dead meat!  By the way, what a great deek Spanky tried on Bream.
Great finish!


-- 
Bert Beaton                        		E-MAIL: bert@ide.com
Interactive Development Environments		PHONE: (415) 543-0900
From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:56:11 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.152.10.9

In article 1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu, f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
> In Game 4 of the ALCS, with the Jays up 2 games to 1 and looking to
> deal a killing blow to the A's, Jack Morris was taken out of the
> game in the 5th inning, leaving two men on with one out.  Toronto
> trailed 5-1.
> 
> Any bets on whether Cito will start him in Game 7?


But they did win the game.   :-)   

Start him....

Geez,  I could not believe Eck blew that lead.


---
Andy Knipp                    |
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Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
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From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave Heart Condition Kirsch)
Subject: Re: TORONTO BLUE JAYS CLINCHED THE AL EAST!!!!!
Organization: Jays fans trying to repent to the Woofing Gods  
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:55:56 GMT

In article <17932@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Frog Baseball Huckabay) writes:
>Jay "Maalox" Chu writes:
>
>>Because the A's sucks, the Toronto Blue Jays will have little difficulty
>>winning the American League title.
>
>Dave Kirsch is LOVING this.  Between this Jays woofing and Cito giving
>the ball to Jack Morris for potentially three games, Dave must be just
>beside himself with glee.

  Having *finally* got on our system from hell (tm) after a four-day hiatus, 
I must say I'm glad I didn't see this woofing earlier. I'd have an ulcer by
now (I mean *another* one, of course). All I can say is this: I tip my hat to
the Orioles and Brewers for a long and hard-fought race, and 'may the best
team win' in the playoffs (PLEEZE let it be the Jays, though). I'd also like 
to invite Expos fans to join in along with Jays fans, as long as you promise
not to wouf (tm).  

>It's a short series, Jay.  ANYTHING can happen.  I have a friend who
>believes that the team that has the most players who have a chance to
>completely dominate the game offensively will win.  It's nuts of
>course, but it's a fun theory.

  Actually, I like that idea, revised to "..has the most players who have a 
chance to completely dominate the game, period, will win." If Cone and Guzman
are 'on', I'll sleep much better during the coming nights. 

>If you're a Jays fan, just ask yourself: What if Rickey gets hot?

  Thanks, Gary, for the one visual I certainly didn't need leading into
tonight's game. My future night sweats and I thank you .. you'll be getting
the bill for the new set of sheets I'm going to have to buy. Geez, that
visual's almost as bad as the one of Lundy shirtless and holding his prized
sport fish to cries of "Which one's the Grouper?" 

>I don't lose any sleep over Joe Carter or Dave Winfield getting hot.
>Jim Rising and Dave Till might well have visions of Rickey's beautiful
>swing in their heads.

  Winny *might* be a problem for the A's, but I don't think Carter will be a
factor unless the A's pitchers start to *seriously* hang pitches.  

>ANYTHING can happen.  It's a short series.  Don't EVER woof in a short
>series.  Billy Bates and Billy Hatcher might jump up and bite you.

  Billy Hatcher. Don't remind me. Dan Gladden if he were of different ethnic 
origin. 

  Woofing Gods, please note: I apologize summarily for the other person's 
outburst, and hope you'll show pity and lenience on the rest of us Jays fans.

-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch            kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu 
"Blue Jays - break my heart again in '92"    Roberto Hernandez throws peas  
"I believe virtually everything I read, and I think that is what makes me
   MORE of a selective human" - Joe Average, baseball fan and media puppet
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris pitches to the score? (kinda long)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:52:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct8.222224.6306@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
>In 20 out of 34 games, he allowed the other team to score first. The
>Jays were an unbeleivable 13-7 in those games, with Morris going 9-6.

Actually, I've figured the whole Jack Morris thing out.  You see, he's
psychic; he knows when he gives up those early runs that it doesn't matter.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: 1992 Equivalent Averages-Pitchers
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:50:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

Thses are the final 1992 statistics for all National League pitchers 
who started at least half of their games, and started at least 10 games.

EPEQA is a measure of runs produced per out, normalized to the league 
and corrected for the home park. The league EPEQA, by definition, is .235.
EPEQA is calculated from opposing batters statistics, with at-bats being
estimated from known H, TB, BA, and SA. The outs listed are are defined
as AB-H+CS, not as IP/3, so that the calculations are exactly the same
for batters and pitchers.
                             Clay Davenport 

    NATIONAL         EPEQA OUTS
  1 MARTINEZ D MON   0.177  660
  2 SCHILLING  PHI   0.178  662
  3 MADDUX     CHI   0.183  771
  4 SMITH P    ATL   0.201  229
  5 DRABEK     PIT   0.202  741
  6 GLAVINE    ATL   0.203  652
  7 WAKEFIELD  PIT   0.204  260
  8 SWIFT      SF    0.205  462
  9 TEWKSBURY  STL   0.206  662
 10 RIJO       CIN   0.207  604
 11 SMOLTZ     ATL   0.207  722
 12 FERNANDEZ  NY    0.207  618
 13 BARNES     MON   0.208  292
 14 HILL       MON   0.210  633
 15 ASTACIO    LA    0.211  237
 16 MORGAN     CHI   0.212  674
 17 PORTUGAL   HOU   0.216  287
 18 SABERHAGEN NY    0.218  281
 19 DESHAIES   SD    0.220  274
 20 LEIBRANDT  ATL   0.221  566
 21 NABHOLZ    MON   0.223  552
 22 SMITH Z    PIT   0.223  395
 23 CASTILLO   CHI   0.223  601
 24 BELCHER    CIN   0.224  653
 25 MULHOLLAND PHI   0.224  648
 26 SWINDELL   CIN   0.224  607
 27 AVERY      ATL   0.225  676
 28 CONE       NY    0.227  571
 29 BENES      SD    0.227  652
 30 RIVERA     PHI   0.228  336
 31 GROSS      LA    0.229  583
 32 SEMINARA   SD    0.230  288
 33 CANDIOTTI  LA    0.231  575
 34 HURST      SD    0.232  623
 35 HARRIS GW  SD    0.232  340
 36 BIELECKI   ATL   0.234  228
 37 CORMIER    STL   0.235  531
 38 HARNISCH   HOU   0.236  602
 39 GARDNER    MON   0.236  522
 40 OLIVARES   STL   0.238  560
 41 BURKETT    SF    0.239  548
 42 DELEON     PHI   0.241  338
 43 HERSHISER  LA    0.242  611
 44 GOODEN     NY    0.244  587
 45 WALK       PIT   0.244  385
 46 JACKSON    PIT   0.244  578
 47 MARTINEZ R LA    0.246  441
 48 LEFFERTS   SD    0.247  460
 49 OSBORNE    STL   0.248  512
 50 TOMLIN     PIT   0.250  583
 51 HAMMOND    CIN   0.251  416
 52 BLACK      SF    0.251  513
 53 SCHOUREK   NY    0.251  393
 54 CLARK      STL   0.255  326
 55 JONES      HOU   0.256  393
 56 OJEDA      LA    0.257  477
 57 WILLIAMS B HOU   0.259  272
 58 WILSON     SF    0.260  429
 59 KILE       HOU   0.265  354
 60 HENRY      HOU   0.269  471
 61 ABBOTT     PHI   0.274  379
 62 BOSKIE     CHI   0.287  243
 63 GREENE     PHI   0.288  184
 64 BROWNING   CIN   0.298  240
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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: How do I love Gruber, let me count the ways!
Keywords: Gruber, game #2
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:57:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.050129.11061@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> bazz@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Denis R. Bazinet) writes:
>
>I don't post very to this group very often because I have unfounded opinions
>about the game and usually keep them to myself... until I get a chance to 
>prove them.
>
>A couple of weeks ago, I read an article about how Gruber may hurt the Jays by
>simply being on the roster for the ALCS.  Gruber had a few freak accidents and
>did not recover easily.  So, people, like the A's, wrote him off at the plate.
>Well, game two should keep those people quiet for a while!
>
>Gruber, in game#2: 2-RUN HOMER and DOUBLE and SCORED A RUN
>
Lucky stiff.


RStimets
From: gerry@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Js/Braves
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:00:13 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

From article <1992Oct16.180214.12327@cs.cornell.edu>, by tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer):
> have more quality pinch-hitters, IMHO.)  My prediction?  A six or
> seven game series, one way or the other.
> 

Your positive about that are you?
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: The origin of the _World_ Series
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:20:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper

In article <1992Oct13.215411.2254@athena.mit.edu> herrera@athena.mit.edu (Ramon F Herrera) writes:
>
>Can somebody explain the origin of the name "World Series"?
>A friend of mine says that the first such competition
>was sponsored by some NYC newspaper called "The World". 
>Can anyone confirm/deny this?  Any references?
>
According to Neft & Cohen, in 1903, Barney Dreyfus, owner of the Pittsburgh
Pirates, and Henry Killilea, owner of the Boston Red Sox, agreed to match their
pennant winning clubs in a nine game series to determine the championship of
the world.  The moniker of "World" Series has stuck ever since.  No mention of
the New York World newspaper anywhere.

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!'-R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
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From: paul@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Sommers)
Subject: Re: 15 Years of the Blue Jays
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:40:55 GMT

In article <Bw5H46.L50@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael de Souza) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.181311.8503@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, schablan@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Sanjiv Chablaney) writes:
>> 
>> 	15 Years Toronto Blue Jays have waited for this moment.
>> 	15 Years we've had to hear from the American media  and
>> 		American fans , how a Canadian team 
>> 		will never or should never make it
>> 		to the World Series.
>> 	Well, it all ends today.
>> 
>> 	Today, October 12th, at around 6:30 pm, the torch will
>> 		be passed, the flag will be raised.
>> 
>> 	America's Greatest Game will officially be a Canadian Past Time.
>> 
>
>How many Canadiens play for the Jays, and their Canadien past time?
                ^                                      ^

That's Canadians if you don't mind.  At least for the English ones
anyway. :)

-Paul Sommers

-- 
Paul Sommers               | "Television.  Drug of the nation.
paul@monet.uwaterloo.ca    |  Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation"
University of Waterloo     | 
Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA  |    -Terminal City Ricochet
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Alomar: Great Situational Hitter
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:45:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.124106.27121@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors ) writes:
>
>Wow! After seeing Roberto Alomars' clutch homer off Eck in game 4 of the
>ALCS, I have no doubt that he is an outstanding situational hitter. He
>will always give you what you need, a sacrifice, extra bases and even a
>homer. He is going to be a force for many years to come.

I don't know about that.  I'd drop the "situational", and simply say
that he's an outstanding hitter.  Sure, the HR looked good.  But given
Alomar, it could have easily been a single and a SB with Carter
driving in the runs.  Or a triple, scoring on a wild pitch.  When you
have a hitter *that* good who can do *that* many things well, you will
win a lot of games.

(BTW, Alomar claims he wasn't trying to hit a HR, just trying to make
solid contact.  A "lucky" HR, the result of great talent and a bit of
extra adrenaline..)

-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Lansford announces his retirement
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:47:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Oct16.134711.1530
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Oct15.180730.20497@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
> Carney Lansford announced his retirement after Game 6 yesterday. In retiring,
> he said that he didn't seek 3000 hits or the Hall of Fame "like Robin Yount
> or George Brett"; he felt it was time for him to go. 
> 

	I can't believe it; in the same season we have lost Carney "AL
Anti-Christ" Lansford, Jim "Upper-Deck" Acker, and Dennis "Kerosene" Lamp.
Who's next?

Brandon Cope
From: karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Warren Cromartie
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:23:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711


Where is the Warren Cromartie Secondary School?

The Subdivision area for the school is on the back of the Rush album
Signals and I'm curious where that's at... Anyone, know?
-- 
When I was I child, I caught a fleeting glimpse out of the corner of my eye. 
I turned to look, but it was gone.	/----------------------------------- 
I cannot put my finger on it now.	|karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: ALCS game 5: Why a day game?
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:26:57 GMT

In article <ldk185INNjeq@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
	empcomm@empserv.Corp.Sun.COM (Chet Anderson - Emp. Services) writes:

>I just heard that the A's beat the Jays today--why did they play
>a day game?  I thought I was going to get to watch it tonight on
>TV, but noooooo...
>
>Don't tell me they were afraid to go up against Monday Night Football;
>even then the ratings would have to be better than during the day.

I don't give a damn about U.S. ratings, but the numbers in Canada were
OK. It was our Thanksgiving Day, and I'm sure many folks up here spent a
part of their day off watching Canada's Team (now that the Expos are playing
golf) try for the first-ever *real* World Series.

CBS moans about the lack of ratings when Toronto is in the playoffs, but
the Canadian network CTV, which pays to bring in the US feed, must be
pretty pleased with having the Jays in the playoffs.

PS: Anyone else in Canada pissed off about CTV's Ron Black butting in during
commercial breaks with very little of substance to say?
-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:45:11 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <7519@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S  
Galvanek) writes:
> With all due respect folks, no one may have used the exact wording  
but, many
> here have argued that OBP is a more important stat that batting  
average, or rbisetc and no matter how you slice it that argument -  
OBP > BA - boils down to
> walks are as important as hits.

That's not what the statement says at all. It says that judging
a batter based on both hits and walks is better than just 
judging a batter on hits alone.  This does not say that walks
are given equal value to hits, just that hits+walks > hits.

> 
> Simply not true!  Walks CAN be as vauluable as hits but that  
depends on the 
> circumstances.  And since a cummulative number like OBP tells you  
nothing
> about how, when or why a walk was obtained it is an utterly  
meaningless stat
> by itself.

Based on that, ANY stat is meaningless. Batting average is
meaningless because it doesn't tell you when or why a hit was
obtained. 

> 
> What Bonds' walk(s) prove IMHO is that with out the proper person  
hitting behind
> you (oh that nasty protection thing again) a walk can be as equally  
vaulable to
> the pitcher, and some times more so, as it is to a hitter.  

What does this have to do with "that nasty protection thing."
The protection argument tends to center around whether a batter
gets better pitches to hit (or the reverse, is more likely to be
pitched around and thus walk) based on who bats behind him. It has
nothing to do with how valuable the walk is.

> >But then again, it's infinitely better than an out.
> >
> 
> Why is it?  With a man on third a out the walk and the out produce  
exactly
> the same result - NO RUN!
> 

No, the walk means that there is that there is a  chance that the
next batter can drive the run in. The out can either end the 
inning entirely or, at the very least, decrease the chance of 
scoring a run in the inning.  That is, the walk at worst has no
effect (if the next batter pops up, say); the out is a big negative.



--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: freon Deion
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:04:23 GMT

In article <70641@hydra.gatech.EDU> tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller) writes:
>  There you go.  I know that he is good at both sports.  I just think
>that he's playing with everyone's minds and getting a big kick out
>of it.  This is the @$&%#*! postseason, for crying out loud - the
>Braves need him full-time (if they need him at all).  If he strains
>or hurts himself in football, he's useless in baseball...and he did
>seem to make a committment to the latter.

I know he didn't appear in last night's (Sunday) game, but I wonder if
this is some sort of record?  A player being on two *different* losing
teams in the same day?

>  I bet this is really amusing, having Braves fans flame other Braves
>fans.  We're all _really_ having fun now, aren't we? 

It doesn't matter.  In a few years the Braves will be back in the cellar
and all these alleged Braves supporters will be back to going to games
diguised as empty seats!  At that time, this Dieon Sanders argument will
be moot.

-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: wwedward@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Wayne Edwards)
Subject: Re: The origin of the _World_ Series
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:31:36 GMT

In article <14OCT199200170079@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>, doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:
 
> 	Actually, the original "World Series" took place between Boston
> and Pittsburgh in 1903; the new york papers had nothign to do with it.  

As a Canadian, how the name "World Series" came about is not suprising since
you (as Americans) tend to hype all of your sports to global proportions.  The
NBA championships are often called the "world championships of basketball" and
the winners are always called the "World Champions."  The big game in the NFL is
called the "SuperBowl" and I have often heard the winner called the "World
Champions."  Baseball is the only sport that comes close to being even 
>>international<< but even this can be disputed since Canada is only a stones
throw away from the US in terms of geography and culture.  The U.S. championship
titles are the largest misnomers in all of sports. 

Canadian's on the other hand have the "Grey Cup" (CFL) and the "Stanley Cup" 
(NHL), championship games named after people.  Definitely not as flashy.  But
then it is not as pretentious either.  Just like Canadians.

Comments?


Wayne
From: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Ex-Cub Factor
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:12:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1b4eh9INN64n
Reply-To: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g210b-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Oct9.031526.23589@Princeton.EDU> roger@crux.Princeton.EDU  
(Roger Lustig) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.020417.29091@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
cmeyer@spiral.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer) writes:

> >When did Carter and Tabler play for the Cubs?  (You aren't thinking of
> >the Indians, are you?)
> 
> Both players came up with the Cubs, Tabler in 1981 (he also got a
> look-see in 82) and Carter in 83.  Both players did poorly in their 
> first seasons, after having been highly touted.
> 
Wasn't that the Rick Sutcliffe deal?
--
Bradley W. Brock, Department of Mathematics
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology  | "Honor one another above yourselves."
brock@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu       | -Paul of Tarsus to the Romans
From: caldwell@astro.as.arizona.edu (Nelson Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: BRAVES WIN
Keywords: The last 2 runs scored with 2 outs in the inniing, on a pinch
 hit by Francisco Cabra (10 at bats for Braves this season).
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:14:34 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


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