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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Looking for comments on the late [FAQ - What is the DoD?]
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:24:20 GMT

[Note: This has been crossposted to all four rec.moto groups, with
 followups aimed at rec.motorcycles. The WitDoDFAQ is _not_ being
 crossposted (yet?), look for it in rec.moto.]

Sorry folks, news on my site went down for most of a week, so the
"WTFiaDoDFAQ" post was unable to get out. All e-mail requests for the
posting have been round-filed, since waiting for the repost would
only delay a reponse for a few days. So grab it here (No, not HERE, in
the next post silly. Sheesh! You'd thing it was a matter of life and
death or something), it's not coming in e-mail.


With that out of the way, on to other nonsense^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hbusiness:

I've been contemplating a couple of changes.

1a) Crossposting. To news.answers, since it is the official
repository of FAQ-type postings, and at least some sites provide a
longer expire time for that newsgroup, so it might eliminate a few
"What's a DoD?" postings. Approval to x-post to news.answers might
require some trivial changes, such as the title, so if this is in your
kill file, you might have to edit it. Then again, if this subject line
IS in your kill file, you aren't reading this, are you? :-)

1b) And to r.m.dirt, r.m.racing, and r.m.harley since The Question has
popped up there on occasion.

2) More frequent posting of a _very_ brief answer (a couple of lines,
one screenful, tops). Perhaps something like "go ask cerritos.edu" (any
feelings one way or the other Bruce?), or "hold your breath, it will be
here on the 1st of the month". This would be handled by the FAQ-posting
script provided by the news.answers moderator, so once I set it up, it
won't be any trouble. How about posting frequency? Weekly? Daily?
Hourly? In my .signature? What about crossposting the micro-FAQ to the
other groups?

Comments are welcome, members of the Apathy Club need not respond.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Lies, Lies, Lies
Date: 4 Nov 92 15:27:06 GMT
 <Bx3Gx2.82o@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <27074@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
 <rxkgre.720863090@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services

How about:

o The dealership set the idle to 2,000 RPM.
o We'll throw in (Insert anything here) for free!
o State Law requires us to tell you if it has been in an accident.
o It has ABS!

Yeah, right.
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VF700F Pilot                    Computer Services
BEAST Pilot
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MERCEDES MOTORCYCLE????
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:23:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 637@cup.hp.com, hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
>
>so maybe someone liked the MB logo....

It was one of those liberal, anti-nuke, fuzzy puppy, pre-faded jeans,
60's wanna-be yuppies.

He thought it was a peace sign.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: erik@peewee.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van Bronkhorst       Code 3814                               Phone 939-1421)
Subject: '70s supersonic Kawasaki blue-smokers
Organization: NAVAIRWARCENWPNDIV, China Lake
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:54:42 GMT

In article <16110236@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>
>    In <3880162@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>
>    >1974 Kawasaki Mach II 400 triple.
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>*     I thought the Mach II was like H2 was like 750.
>                       ???
>
>Nope.
>
>The Mach II was the 350, later a 400 cc also called the S2 (S3?).
>The Mach III was the 500 or H1
>The Mach IV was the 750 or H2
>The was for a short time a 250, probably called the Mach I or S1.

All right.  Who has an H2 that runs they want to sell?
Also, wasn't there a 900 (H3?) also?!
-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT DoD#4342585443 AMA#[classified]
"Truth is false and logic lost, now the fourth dimension is crossed..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (NATHANIEL ROBERT MENDELL)
Subject: Looking for DANIEL WOLF
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:27:57 GMT


Does anyone have information as to how I could get in touch with Daniel Wolf,
author of "The Rebels"? 

Nathaniel

ZX-10

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: (More bike problems...)
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 21:28:10 GMT

>had was due for replacing.  After putting the new battery in (I have no
>charger), I hooked up jumper cables to my car battery to get things going,
>but I'm not getting any juice at all.  No lights, nothing.  Is this due to
>the bike bike still trying to draw from the new, uncharged battery, or have
>I got some other electrical problems?

     My OL had a similar problem with her training wheels GS. For
some idiot reason, there is a fuse with the battery on one side and
the alternator and entire electrical system on the other. When a
short in the turn signal flasher blew the fuse, it was possible to
start the engine by kicking it hard and fast enough to bring the
alternator to life. The really bad part was that they used a much
underdesigned shunt regulator that is totally inadaquate unless a
good battery of the exact required size is in the circuit, so the
very expensive odd size headlight was immediatly fried. All the way
home, it would stall if the RPM's dropped to the point that there
was not enough alternator output.
      I changed the fuse, installed a US made flasher and bought a
headlight assembly from a local Harley shop that uses a $4.00 car
lamp instead of the funny "I can get one in about 2 weeks" $37.50
stock unit, and have had no more trouble.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


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        as well as the poor to beg in the streets, to steal
        bread, and to sleep under bridges"
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Solution to toll booth troubles
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:02:55 GMT
Keywords: Q-free system

Yes, I agree it sounds kinda high...but..would you stand
there for 8 hours a day sucking in all that exhaust for
that kind of money..I applied a few years ago when I first
got off active duty to the Turnpike in NJ for the positon
of "electronics maintenance" just taking care of the
radios, signs and other solid state stuff. The money was
excellent +50k to start provided I had my 1st class ticket
to start and they mentioned a radar endorsement and they
would pay for that but someones son got the job..oh well
it got me back in school on that really generous GI bill.
(about the only bill it paid for was my van payments).
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: R100GS final drive trouble
Date: 12 Nov 1992 03:29:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) says:
> 
> Anyone that wishes to take a cheap shot at BMW's at this point

I ride in the rain all the time. Net damages on BMWs: $0. Net
damages on FJ1200's: two rear wheel bearings rusted almost solid
(to the point that the mechanic asked how I'd ended up in the lake),
and several worn drive chains. Think I'll stick with the BMW.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:36:00 GMT
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

> In article 3K4@news.iastate.edu, tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
> >
> >I may be forced to wear my helmet (instead of making an 
> >informed choice to wear it) because the twenty years of riders before me
> >compiled some truly nauseating statistics on head injuries 
> 
> Wrong.  I have never seen any statistics compiled on the head injuries
> of twenty years worth of helmetless riders.  Helmet laws are pushed by

Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case. 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
I'm OK, you're inflatable.
From: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brad LaBroad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Summary: Let's beat this to death, too
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:07:01 GMT
Reply-To: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Pokey Folk on Parade

In article <1318@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>		I have to agree about the MSF class...It doesn't give one
>an air of invulrability, but rather it starts you out at a higher
>level of experience than if you had  taught yourself. You have the

I am an agreeable sort (since I must say so myself) so I'll agree that
[a] the MSF is not a panacea and [b] the MSF is a wonderful thing. I
took the beginner course "just in case" after 23 years of riding. Fortunately
I'm not easily bored; easily amused is more like it. I had fun in a
number of ways.

The thing that sticks in my mind, with respect to recommending the
course to Brand New Riders, is that they start at a LOWER level of
experience than I would if I were to try to teach someone to ride.
That's a GOOD thing, IMHO. Sure, walking a bike around a parking lot
isn't likely to excite a bunch of squids--who cares? The course can't be
all things to all people. I can only applaud people who approach a new
sport/lifestyle/religion with a measure of forethought. Good for them.

Neither would I suggest that you MUST take a course. I'm perfectly happy
with my original introduction to solo riding: my childhood friend Ed
Page bouncing off the back of a Honda Trail 90 leaving me at the helm,
wobbling, bobbling, and making unintential berm shots 'round the Pease
Road dirt track behind his house. The MSF has just refined his
technique, that's all :-)

By the way, Thanks Ed!


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Bradlee T. LaBroad	
bradlee.t.labroad@TEK.COM       			GB_500   DoD#389
From: harsh@inetnode.austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Keywords: this is not bait
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:34:04 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <BxGLvC.JEL@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
>In article <1350@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> pdomain@emory.edu (Mike Mitten) writes:
>>So, I took the MSF Rider Course in August, and I've been looking to
>>get my first motorcycle.  Indications seem to be that I should
>>start with something 500cc or under.  Now, I've got a line on a
>
>Congratulations on your joining the ranks of the certifiably insane!  Ride
>often, ride far.  And take more classes.  (I'm taking the Keith Code class at
>Elkhart next summer: The more you learn, the better it gets.)

 I followed the same course to owning a bike, I took the MSF Rider Course
last August (1992) and then bought a used KAWASAKI EX500. It has been 
running very smooth since. A month after I bought the bike, I rode from
HOUSTON,TX-COLUMBIA,SC-CHARLOTTE,NC-MIAMI,FL-HOUSTON in nine days, total
of 3500 miles. Would I do it again? You bet !!

 Though, sometime I wish I had bought a 4-cyclinder NINJA (600cc) but then
they are not as comfartable to ride as EX500, but the engine runs a lot
smoother. I am just paying $84/year for liability insurance (me > 25years).

 I think I am ready for a Advance Course now. But I know, I have to use
my own bike for this course. That kind of makes me nervous, would the
test really push hard? What does it involve? I know, I rather find out
what I can/ can't do under controlled conditions than on the freeway, but
I still would not want to risk damaging my bike in the Advanced Course.

 BUT I would like to become a better biker ....

harsh-
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Won't be in Colorado...
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:42:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 5141@eecs.nwu.edu, mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh) writes:
>
>The
>audacity of people (particularly in western states -- whatever happened to
>rugged individualism?) 

HA!

Move to the South.

Rugged individualism is alive and well in the west, one brain-dead and
short-lived homophobic law notwithstanding.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: berck@cs.rulimburg.nl (Peter Berck)
Subject: kawa ltd 440 info wanted
Keywords: kawa ltd 440
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:09:13 GMT

Hi,

A girlfriend of mine wants to buy a used Kawasaki LTD 440 (1986). It
is one of the few bikes on which she can reach the ground with her
feet. Anyway - what's it like driving one of these? Any typical
ltd440 problems to look out for? Any info would be welcome.

Thanx

-peter (KotLSD)

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GTS1000A gripe
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]I am not picking nits, this is a real peeve of mine.
]]My hat goes off to BMW, who builds the option of lockable storage into 
]]everything they make. My next laurel goes to Suzuki, which can supply proper

]]bags for the big and medium Katanas. The beemers and the kats would both
]]fit my riding bill, but what about everyone else? You can't put hard bags
]]on an FJ, a TDM or a ZX-11, or on a GTS!
]Some one send him a picture of Blaine's FJ or Ed's FJ.  I have also seen
]the Krauser luggage on Katanas and zx-11s.  Something tells me that 
]they will also be available for the GTS.

Krauser makes hard bags for a whole bunch of different bikes, I've even
seen them on Ducati's. you must admit, the BMW bags look and fit better
than any krauser could ever hope to, simply because they're designed as
part of the bike rather than an aftermarket accessory. I like my bags
tucked in nicely rather than strapped on and hanging up and out in the 
breeze.

-- 
Joe Senner
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: K75 or K100 (why 100?)
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:26:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <BxICIx.D2n@neon.rain.com> chris@neon.rain.com (Chris Perez) writes:
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>
>>bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>>>I'm considering one of the following for my new spring bike:
>>>	FJ1200
>>>	K75s
>>>	R100RS

>Yeeeoooo. 

>>>offer significantly easier cruising or passing ability with
>>>passenger and luggage?
>
>What?  No.  The K100 _does_ give a good vibra-sag (just like them
>beds in those sleezy hotels I know nothing about.  K100s vibrate like
>pigs.  Paint quality sucks.  They're slow.  They have less torque than
>an FJ.  And they wobble around corners. 

>Actually, look into a new Ducati 907.  You'd have more smiles per mile
>and touring comfort to spare. 

I must agree, my one jaunt on a K100 left me with a feeling
of disbelief. The thing was a *pig*.

I do not, honestly, think anyone has yet bettered the
84 Suzuki GS1100E for sport touring. Reliable as a hammer,
saving only an occasional Stator, cheap to buy, easy to find,
not a real target for bike theives, relatively cheap to
insure, and gobs of performance.

The handling is damned good, though the bike is heavy,
and nearly every aftermarket part you can imagine is
available for this model.

One or two caveats: Make sure the tires, esp the front,
are well matched to the bike. All my buddies who have
owned a GS1100 have commented that you need a metzeler
lazer for the front...The claim most other tires leave
it with a wobble.

                     get that alternator checked out before
you buy...All suzukis of this era had a tendancy to eat
their stators.

                    Oh yeah, disconnect the anti-dive,
It was absolutely *awful*...Much better  of without it.


Buy the old GS, and pick up another bike to play with 
as well...

Regards, Charles
-- 
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: tomes@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:29:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Nov12.145443.28915@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:

>	This is a good point (the gloves thing), but does anyone know whether
>	good gloves really provide good skid protection? I have a pair of 
>	Tour Rider fingerless gloves that I assume will give me a *little*
>	but of protection, but I can't recall having seen casual (i.e. non-
>	racing) gloves that I thought would really protect me. My brother gets
>	on my case for not using full fingered gloves, but his gloves look
>	just as flimsy as mine. I'm simply willing to take the trade-off of
>	*much* increased convenience and hope that when "asphalt surfing" I
>	will use my palms (can you say rationalization boys & girls?).
>	Has anyone seen really solid looking fingerless gloves?

Which part of your hand do you use for most jobs: the palm, or your fingers?

Yes, lightweight leather gloves work.  When a student didn't do what I told
him to during an exercise and dumped his bike, the glove was torn in 3 places
but his hand wasn't even scratched.  I also have personal experience with the
Tour Master lightweight gloves (incident described in old post involving
used motor oil in an alley...) and in bicycle racing.  Any leather is better
than no leather.  If you still insist on riding fingerless (think about it!!)
go to a bicycle shop or to a sporting goods store catering to weightlifters.

Protective gear works by self-destructing to save your body (most, anyway) in
what my CI calls "the harsh realities of life".  If you aren't protected
because of style, fogetfulness, or whatever, you lose skin when you hit the
ground.

CP Tomes
Oooooooh CP!  What nice gloves you have on.....
From: rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: hot/cold spark plugs
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:34:22
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


What is the difference between a hot and a cold spark plug?  
What I mean is what makes a spark plug hot or cold.

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