HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com (TheFoxx "AJ")
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: moving alt.vampyres -> alt.horror.vampyres
Reply-To: foxx@foxxjac.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: "Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL"
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:55:04 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|> [...]
|> 
|> Bearing that in mind, I propose moving alt.vampyres to
|> alt.horror.vampyres, for the sake of organization.  If the support
|> for this idea outweighs the opposition, I will newgroup
|> alt.horror.vampyres and rmgroup alt.vampyres shortly thereafter, but
|> I'll wait a few days for the responses to come in.  I'd appreciate
|> hearing from anyone with an opinion on the topic.
|> 
|> Followups are directed to alt.config.

Yes, it would be a good move.  Current literature and games are
fueling interest in the horror area, and it is not too bizarre
to think that another subgroup might be of interest in the
medium to near future.  With alt.horror.* providing a precedent,
there would be a place to create such a group. For example, I
personally wouldn't mind seeing such a news-subgroup about
mummies, curses, and other horrors that lurk in their
sarcophagi. When and if such a group becomes of interest to
enought others it could, of course, be created as the
alt.horror.mummies newsgroup.  Thus a core of horror discussion
would always be under alt.horror even should one of it's
subgroups (horrors!) cease to exist.  Other subgroups would
still be there to carry on the horror.
  --AJ
Xref: sparky alt.config:7232 alt.discordia:461
From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.discordia
Subject: More SPAM Experience (was Re: PROPOSAL: Alt.Spam)
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:34:37 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov21.202059.20666@becker.GTS.ORG>, bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) writes:
> In article <92319.154407IO20650@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO20650@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> |We of the Spam loving minority wish a Newsgroup of our own.  We want a place
> |where Spam can be slung freshly everyday, for all to see and gawk at!.  We are
> |perfectly serious.  We only want ONE measly alt group, not the many, many that
> |our sla...er members suggested.  Spamists arise!  Post your support for all to
> |screem at!!
> 
> 
I had yet another SPAM experience last night, this one occurred at the awards
ceremonies for our end of year marching band banquet.  The section leaders for
the tuba section were giving out various awards in honor of the members of that
section.  The last award they presented was to a trombone player who was forced
to march in the tuba section all year long because of a hole in the drill. 
This award was the SPAM award for being an imitation, wannabe tuba player.

							Sincerely,
							Lieutenant Wilkes
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.activism.d,talk.environment
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.politics.green-party
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.230523.2795@truffula.sj.ca.us> cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:

->This is the perception you'd get from the commercial media, if you
->found the Green Parties mentioned at all.  The Green Party of California
->and the US Greens share ten "key values," against which we weigh
->proposals, and only one is "ecological wisdom."  The others are:

->respect for diversity
->personal and global responsibility
->nonviolence
->postpatriarchal values (feminism)
->grassroots democracy
->decentralization
->community-based economics
->future focus
->social justice.


So could someone please explain how this differs from
misc.activism.progressive?  I'm not a reader of that group but from
what I remember of the discussion about it, y'all would fit right in.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:30:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <BxqIyC.L6@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>Followups are directed to alt.config.
>
>In article <1992Nov14.235432.2731@netcom.com> kc@netcom.com (Dameon D. Welch) writes:
>
>>Your message clearly
>>demonstrates that you have absolutely no respect for those who have a
>>very different viewpoint than you and you wish to supress them simply
>>because *YOU* find it to be a waste of bandwidth. It's called
>>Censorship, something I deeply oppose in any form.
>
>That's really naive.  Seth is not in any kind of a position to
>"censor" anyone.  If he likes, he can refuse to create the group
>locally, which is entirely within his rights, IMHO.  However, he has
>no ability to pound an iron fist on the net-at-large and prevent
>anyone from creating these groups if they so choose.
>
>Save the "censorship" arguments for those who deserve it.  It just
>makes you look foolish otherwise.
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
>
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 

Save the "double .sig files" for groups who deserve it.  It just 
makes you look foolish otherwise.

Ted

-- 
"We will bury you! We will bury you! We will bury you!"
      - some ex-Soviet leader            
                   krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 16:12:45 EST
From: <IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.horror.spam?

alt.horror.spam,or alt.food.spam?

Nah... alt.religion.spam
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Newgroup/Rmgroup wars; Can you rmgroup/newgroup something on alt?
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:24:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov17.200023.26145@raven.alaska.edu>, mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger) writes:

>>around forever, just like every other alt.* group.  Rmgroups don't
>>work in alt

> This attitude really irks me.  Groups *are* rmgroup'able in alt.  

Sure they are.  Of course, I really don't care if every other site in
the country decides never to honor an "rmgroup".  All I care about is
my site.  If it makes sense to honor an "rmgroup", I do honor it.  If not,
it stays.

These people who engage in newgroup/rmgroup "wars" are only fooling
themselves.  They aren't doing anything here and I suspect they aren't doing
anything anywhere else, except making a wee bit more traffic on the net than
say that of a small GIF.

But if it keeps them busy, it's probably worth the extra traffic.  Think of
the shenanigans they would get into if they weren't keeping themselves busy.

Terry
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kc@netcom.com (Dameon D. Welch)
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Organization: Wayne's World, Inc -- NOT!
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:21:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.215426.16499@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>>
>>>Likewise, I cannot help but think that the net shouldn't waste bandwidth on a
>>>creature of hysterical spite and malice that was--to borrow a line from the
>>>dreaded Bruce Becker--created by a bogus newasshole message.
>
>I meant Rush Limbaugh, not the pathetic and sterile newsgroup that bears his
>name.  IMEAO, Rush Limbaugh is the best available evidence for the
>non-existence (or at least non-interest) of God.
>
>Unfortunately, it is too late to get rid of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, but at
>least we can keep this evil fungus from growing.

[ Lurker Mode OFF ]
[ Blow Torch Mode ON ]

Look, pal, *YOU* may not like the man, and neither do others (like Tim
Pierce, but at least he sees beyond his hatred, which I respect). If
you only pulled your head out of ass long enough to see to reason (I
realize this could be a stretch since it's been there for quite some
time now), you too might think it's a good idea. Instead, you're just
being a self-rghteous hate-monger, as most extreme leftists are,
especially when confronted with the right's viewpoints.

[ Blow Torch Mode OFF ]
-- 
Dameon D. Welch, NH6TW               kc@netcom.com OR dwelch@scuacc.scu.edu
       Sophomore CS Major at Santa Clara University, Santa Clara, CA
--
          "Don't be afraid, it's only business." -- Roger Waters
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal : alt.tv.liquid-tv (Liquid Television)
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:27:53 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <By1ryz.7tD@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> I'm not aware of how well MTV propagates outside of the U.S., but if
> it doesn't reach many places outside of our shores, I would suggest
> us.tv.liquid-tv, if not simply us.tv.mtv.

MTV propagates very well internationally.  There are branches in Europe
and Japan (I've seen the Japanese variant), and it's identified by most
people there as being uniquely "American" like Coca-Cola or McDonald's.

I wouldn't mind an alt.tv.mtv so much, but there is an existing group
rec.music.video that would overlap it in content.

Thoughts?
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,talk.politics.misc
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: New alt.politics.* groups?
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:48:10 GMT

Followups are set to alt.config.

From Jyrki's newgroup messages for alt.politics.*, the votes on the
original talk groups:

talk.politics.sex		Yes: 108, no: 59, total: 167, margin: 49)
talk.politics.org.un		Yes: 101, no: 53, total: 154, margin: 48)
talk.politics.economics		Yes:  98, no: 64, total: 162, margin: 34)
talk.politics.media		Yes:  95, no: 60, total: 155, margin: 35)
talk.politics.equality		Yes:  91, no: 65, total: 156, margin: 26)

I'm very interested in hearing why he feels that the creation of these
alt groups is justified if the corresponding talk groups demonstrated
this much voter apathy.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jabutt@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Joe Butt)
Subject: Re: CFD: Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems (e.g. Myers-Briggs)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:29:52 GMT

In reference to the group for personality types, I vote for, suggest, or
otherwise affirm something like:

alt.psychology.type
or
alt.personality.type

(My previous vote was not meant as an abstention.)
 --
Joe Butt, INTP
School Psychologist
Tennessee School for the Deaf
@Oak Ridge Educational Network
From: mcsba1wsb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: RE: PROPOSAL: ALT.FAN FANTASY
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:35 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Would someone please set up an alt.fantasy newsgroup.  Any authors that fit in
both groups can be posted to either or both if it keeps people happy.  If we
could get some info on it soon it would be helpful.
				Wendy !!!!!!
			(Multiple !!!!!!!!!! are a sign of insanity -
						       That's why I use them!!)
From: lancer@joseph.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.pugwash, concerned people?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:07:03
Organization: ZikZak Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: joseph.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:55:59 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:55:59 GMT, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr) said:
jfurr> We all shouted "NAME IT ALT.ORG.PUGWASH" and you didn't listen.

Actually, I was the one who didn't listen.  But I don't remember
anyone suggesting alt.org.pugwash.  I DO remember sci.pugwash and
rec.pugwash being suggested, though...

Anyway, where do we go from here?  A call for votes?

.s.
--
- so spake lancer@wpi.wpi.edu -  - we remember Men Without Hats: -
-      They say that time is money - sell your watch today!      -
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: moving alt.vampyres -> alt.horror.vampyres
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:08:18 GMT

In article <Bxv8zJ.MqA@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>Bearing that in mind, I propose moving alt.vampyres to
>alt.horror.vampyres, for the sake of organization.  If the support for
>this idea outweighs the opposition, I will newgroup
>alt.horror.vampyres and rmgroup alt.vampyres shortly thereafter, but
>I'll wait a few days for the responses to come in.  I'd appreciate
>hearing from anyone with an opinion on the topic.
>

I say go for it.  I suggest aliasing alt.vampyres to alt.horror.vampyres
as we know how the rmgroups go.

TTFN,
M

Xref: sparky alt.config:6980 alt.activism.d:4191 talk.environment:4617
From: 471-1@air.atmo.arizona.edu (E. Shane Jimerfield)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.activism.d,talk.environment
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.politics.green-party
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <Jym.15Nov1992.0056@naughty-peahen> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>=+= I recommend that we create an alt.politics.green-party
>newsgroup.  In the U.S., the Green Party did quite well
>in this last election -- certainly better than other third
>parties that already have newsgroups (though most of its
>candidates were running for local seats).
>
>=+= There are Green Parties in other countries as well,
>and I would very much like for the proposed newsgroup to
>be a forum for an international exchange of information.
>
>=+= I propose the name alt.politics.green-party rather than
>the simpler alt.politics.green, since the media (in the U.S.,
>at least) uses "green" for anything vaguely ecological.  The
>more explicit name will hopefully keep folks from thinking
>it's another talk.environment type of newsgroup.
>    <_Jym_>


I agree, and give my full suport.
-- 
Take 'er easy.... Shane
.watch out for the lightning (a large-scale high-tension natural electric
discharge in the atmosphere)......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..informal... a sudden usually improbable stroke of fortune.......
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Furr)
Subject: Re: alt.saturday.night.live
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 07:42:55 GMT

In article <Bxw7M6.LtA@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <axolotl.722047680@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>
>>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>
>> >No, but there might be some demand for alt.tv.snl.  Or even
>> >alt.tv.sat-night-live, if abbreviations are really anathema to you.
>>
>>Any reason why this should be in alt.* and not us.*?
>
>No, indeed.  That's a good point.  The only reason I can think of is
>if SNL has a large following outside of the U.S., which seems to me
>possible but unlikely.

I agree.  us.tv.snl sounds good.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: mike@raven.alaska.edu (Mike Kienenberger)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.PSYCHOTRONIC
Organization: University of Alaska, Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:27:56 GMT

>In article <RuwiuB4w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
>markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:
>>	This is a proposal for ALT.PSYCHOTRONIC, a news group
>>dedicated to the discussion of psychotronic films, art, and
>>literature. 
>>	The term "psychotronic" is used mainly in dealing with
>>films. More specifically, those films also known as "B",
>>exploitation, grindhouse, drive-in, and low-budget.

In article <By15rC.Cyp@unix.amherst.edu>
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) responds:
>I question (a) the placing of the name (is anyone surprised?) and (b)
>the choice of the word "psychotronic."  Is this a well-known term
>within the field?  If so, then I have no problem with it ... I simply
>wasn't aware that there was a term other than "pulp" to describe this
>genre.
>Then I think that something like alt.movies.psychotronic would be more
>appropriate.  It would at least narrow down the meaning of
>"psychotronic" for new users or people unfamiliar with the term.

I disagree.  The only use of the of the word "psychotronic" I've ever
heard was a movie called "The Psychotronic Man."  I would not call this a
"exploitation, grindhouse, and drive-in" movie, although it probably
was an inexpensive film.

From the film, I gathered that "psychotronic" probably refers to someone
with enhanced mental powers (aka "ESP").  This definition certainly
makes more etymological sense than the definition you've supplied.

I think the name you're looking for is "alt.movies.slasher."

=============================================================================
-Mike Kienenberger                       FXMLK@ALASKA           (BITNet)
 Academic Computing                      FXMLK@acad3.alaska.edu (Internet)
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 University of Alaska-Fairbanks
 "I'm a computer programmer....<link><link><kludge><kludge> say-no-more!"
From: PNCSPPC@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: CFD:  Creating an alt.* Newsgroup For Personality Typing Systems
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:38:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>Thus, I propose that we create an alt.* group dedicated to discussing the
>Myers-Briggs as well as other systems that exist to map personalities.
>Some topics, among others, that could be discussed include:

(the above part of a message by noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring))
---

The same thought had occurred to me.  I'm in favor of this, although I think
the name should be a general one and not one which might too specific.  Thus,
"alt.personality-types" would be preferable to "alt.myers-briggs".


Phil Calvert
 
<Bitnet: pncsppc@ncsuvax / Internet: pncsppc@ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu>
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL:  alt.fan.fantasy.writers
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:31:32 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<Nov16.154400.48322@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: randal@pylon.physics.colostate.edu's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:44:00 GMT

In article <Nov16.154400.48322@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> randal@pylon.physics.colostate.edu (randal rheinheimer) writes:

   There is a relatively large readership that distinguishes strongly between  
   fantasy and sf.

Yup.  Fantasy is a subset of SF, as is science fiction.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Xref: sparky alt.config:7152 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:8844 alt.rush-limbaugh:10021
From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Expansion of alt.fan.rush-limbaugh proposed
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:26:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.


In article <168A3B412.TKOZMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, TKOZMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu
writes...

>The larger issue, though, is why
>anyone would actually devote the time and effort to summarizing over 15
>hours of radio broadcasts every week.

Apparently some people like to freely give of their time and effort for the
benefit of others. 

Haven't you ever done something for other people out of the goodness of your
heart? 

The way you word your statement, it appears to me as though you feel that John
has some ulterior motive to what he does. Tell me that this is not so!

Regards,
Steve.

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Xref: sparky alt.config:7218 rec.music.classical:16673
From: johnson@physics.berkeley.edu (Steve Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.classical
Subject: Proposal: alt.fan.callas
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:01:38
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Reply-To: johnson@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

I am proposing the group alt.fan.callas to discuss the life and music
of the late opera diva Maria Callas.  

Even though it's been fifteen years since her death, she now has more
fans than ever before.  In the past year alone, at least two 'new' opera
recordings have surfaced, and two new biographies have been written.
There is also a rumor that the Paris Opera has a complete Norma on
film, and is negotiating it's release with EMI!  This, of course, is
in addition to the 87+ complete operas, 28+ biographies, and many film
clips already known to exist.  Clearly there is a lot to talk about!
Is anybody interested?

--Steve

P.S. Followups should be posted to alt.config only.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.magnus.and.ketil
From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: The name "alt.m&k" contains an illegal character.
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
	<1992Nov15.170204.23635@tc.cornell.edu> <Bxrq5q.HF7@unix.amherst.edu>
	<OLDMAN.92Nov16140609@titan.ucc.umass.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:59:27 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:06:09 GMT, oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu
>>>>> (Tig Stone) said:

	Tig> Whaddaya say, how about an RFD for
	Tig> rec.arts.poems.tim-pierce?

Naaah, I don't think that'll be necessary - I just hope Tim P will
summarize the poems he has recieved on alt.magnus.and.ketil.

-Magnus
Newsgroups: alt.config