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From: kaz@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au ()
Subject: Printer Driver Help
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:14:22 GMT

Help,
I have an old printer type BMC 80 also known as Blue Chip and CP80 or
CPA80 , are there more printer drivers out.
Is there a utilitie to fix the epson driver to stop it puting the BMC 80
into condenced mode..
all help will be greatly appreciated....

kaz.

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:11:47 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>But that doesn't prove anything.  ANY DOS app takes control from DOS
>once it starts running.  That's one of the faults of a system that
>doesn't multitask.  If the app takes control and then gets into a
>loop, all you can do is reboot, because DOS has lost control.

GEOS replaces everything but DOS's filesystem with its own code.  I don't
quite know the words that you want me to use to describe it.

>I'm slightly annoyed now because I'm not willing to wait for v2.0.  I
>think you're admitting that GeoComm isn't easy to get along with, and
>if that's so, don't blame me for not getting along with it.  All I'm
>saying is that GeoComm is not a good enough comm program for me to
>tailor my modem to it instead of to half a dozen better comm programs.

I'm not admitting that "GeoComm isn't easy to get along with."  I will gladly
admit that it's got less features than Procomm+, or Qmodem, or Telix.  Anyone
at Geoworks will, I'm sure, say the same thing.  I'll be as quick as anyone to
point out things that could be improved in it.  A dialing directory separate
from the scripts menu, slightly better emulation of some things, a hang up
y/n prompt... these are all things that have been suggested by myself and
others, and I presume they're being worked on for v2.0

However, GeoComm isn't one of the "major" applications for Geoworks.  It's a
simple little app that they threw in since some of us might actually want to
use something other than America OnLine.  I know [personally] someone who is
developing for Geos 2.0 [at a third-party vendor] and they have said that
telecom programs are a "hot" area for them right now.

If you're not patient enough to wait for v2.0, there's really not much that
_anyone_ can do to keep you from complaining.  I'm personally very interested
in seeing what happens when 2.0 comes out and the third-party competition
starts.  And yes, [to recap a thread from a month ago] if DataStorm comes out
with GeoProcomm, or Forbin comes out with GeoQmodem, you can bet I'll buy one
of them and use it instead of GeoComm.  [Presuming it's coded in a manner that
actually makes sane use of Geos features]

>By the way, I figured out what GEOS meant by the message about COM4
>being already in use.  It meant that the AUTOEXEC.BAT that I booted up
>with this time did not put all the port addresses in the BIOS table
>the way the AUTOEXEC.BAT I used to use did.  That's not what I call a
>useful message.

Um... this might sound kind of silly, but what sort of message did you want?
If an OS told me that a serial port problem was caused by booting up with the
wrong autoexec, I'd be quite surprised. :)

-Shag
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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: GUI/character-based app size (was Re: Shutting down Geocomm)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:52:45 GMT

From article <Sep.12.16.05.38.1992.9781@pilot.njin.net>, by birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag):
> mamason@mbunix.mitre.org (Mason) writes:
> 
>>I'm really not knocking any of the other GUI's btw, I'm merely
>>pointing out that a Graphical User Interface is by it's nature going
>>to use up more space than comparable character-based applications.
> 
> Actually, most of the Geos _applications_ are considerably smaller than their
> DOS-based contemporaries, from what I've seen.  For example, GeoWrite is 72k.
> How many DOS-based [or _anything_-based] WYSIWYG word processors are smaller
> than that?  Solitaire and Tetris are both under 25k, also. 

But GeoWrite is not a full-fledged word processor.  No mail merge, for
instance.  I use mail merge on MS-Word to write letters to my Senators
and Representative: one text document, three copies personalized with
the appropriate name, address, salutation, etc.  GeoWrite can't do
that.  GeoDraw is missing some good features, too: no arcs or splines,
and once you've drawn a multisegment line, that's it; you can't move
the vertices as you can in a real drawing program.  So of course
they're smaller than the real thing.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 92 23:16:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: Desqview
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


 > Has anybody tried running Geoworks in a Desqview window?  Whenever I
 > try it it works for a few minutes and then crashes the machine.  What
 > settings do I need?

I don`t!
But I have a mail from Fidonet, which probably could help you:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -schnippidipip- - -
(9)     Sun 9 Aug 92 11:27     ORIGIN: Geoworks echo (News) on Fidonet
By: Yousuf Khan
To: YVON DECELLES
Re: DV AND GEOWORKS
St:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@MSGID: 1:163/215.6 2a8502b5
Thursday July 09 1992, YVON DECELLES writes to ALL:

 YD> or Standard mode. However, I cannot get Geowork to run from Dv. THat
 YD> is, it will start, and I can do a few things but as soon as I try to
 YD> switch to another application my computer freezes.

 YD> I set Geowork with the "no extra memory" option on.

Set Geoworks to use only XMS memory and no EMS from the control panel. Then you
might want to use these settings in your Geoworks' *.dvp:

Memory Size (in K): 512
Program...: kernel.exe
Parameters: /NOWAITPOST /NOMEM
Writes text directly to screen.......: [Y]
Displays graphics information........: [Y]
Virtualize text/graphics (Y,N,T).....: [Y]
Maximum Program Memory Size (in K)..: 640
Uses math coprocessor..........: [N]
Runs in background (Y,N,blank)...: [ ]
Keyboard conflict (0-F)..........: [5]
Share EGA when foreground/zoomed.: [Y]

Optionally, you might also want to try and set DV's protection level to 2 or
more, and say that Geoworks doesn't use the serial ports.

                                                Yousuf Khan


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hope it helps :-)

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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:32:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.033142.20983@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>drives, or cataloged on a floppy disk.  Cheerfully I expressed to the
>Welcome screen, picked Dos Programs, hit the Enter DOS button, and in
>utter dismay watched Geos shut down and hang up my connection to the
>remote system.

When GWE goes to DOS, it drop the "DTI ready" signal.  That causes
some modems to hang up.  To see how to set things up so this doesn't
happen, get the file gczmodem.zip (I think that's the one) from Simtel20's
GEOWORKS directory.

It is indeed possible to shell out to DOS and remain connected to a
remote system via modem.  Shag, our resident expert on the subject,
does it all the time.  :-) Check out a few of his previous posts; some
of them are rather helpful.

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   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Yay!  I got the "goodies" disk from Rudi!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:11:12 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari) writes:

> We like to use ARJ instead of PKZIP.
> (The reason for me for ARJ was, because PKZIP seems to be unclear
> at this moment with there new version, which has already been
> "trojan horsed"...

If I have any doubts, I download new versions from the PKWare BBS.  I
know I'll get only the genuine article there.

Of course, it's a little inconvenient for you to dial up PKWare from
Germany.  But if you register PKZip, they'll send you a trojan-free copy
on disk.

Besides, how do you know ARJ hasn't been trojan-horsed?

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From: joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott)
Subject: Re: Desqview
Organization: U.S Dept. of Transportation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:48:48 GMT

Murray_Moffatt@kcbbs.gen.nz (Murray Moffatt) writes:

>Has anybody tried running Geoworks in a Desqview window?  Whenever I 
>try it it works for a few minutes and then crashes the machine.  What 
>settings do I need?

I do not believe that Geoworks and DESQview are compatible.  I can't find
the reference to it in the DV manual just now, but I could have sworn...

-JTT
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:43:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <Sep.12.14.02.50.1992.2021@pilot.njin.net>, by birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag):
> .....
> Not everything you can run from the command line is a DOS application, Martin.
> *Grin*

I can't agree with that.  What's your definition of a DOS app?  My
definition is something that runs directly under DOS.  Windows is not
an OS, it's a DOS app.  You may want to say that it's a DOS app that,
once it's installed, behaves like an OS.  You could say the same for
GEOS.  If that's what you want, I'll buy that.  You could even say
that it's an OS that's installed as a DOS app instead of being
booted.  I'd buy that.  But if it's called from the DOS command line I
don't see how you can deny that it's a DOS app.

> As for nifty interfacing with MS-DOS's task swapper... Lose, lose, from what
> I've heard.  After all, why would Microsloth cooperate with someone who's
> going up against them in the GUI market?  Digital Research isn't making enough
> money off GEM on the PC anymore to be paranoid about working with Geoworks.
> MS has the biggest share of the market, so, naturally, they've got the most to
> lose. :)

I tried running GeoComm under the DOS shell under MS-DOS 5.0 and ran
into two problems.  In the first place, unless I had exactly the right
CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT or both (I haven't figured out exactly)
GeoComm would say some thing like "Can't use COM4.  It may already be
in use."  This immediately after bootup.  I got around that and tried
hitting CTRL-ESC while in GeoComm to return to DosShell without
shutting down PC/GEOS, and all I got was a beep.  With some
experimenting I discovered that if I hit CTRL-ESC during an app swap
within GEOS, I would get a message on the screen that said something
like "Can't suspend GEOS, a COM port is in use."  So I can't swap out
of GeoComm, in spite of the fact that the GeoWorks Pro addendum says
that GeoWorks is compatible with DOS shell.

> [By the way, since I gave the answer to your modem problem in my first response
> and haven't seen any mention of it since (and oddly, it wasn't answered by 14
> other people, like things on Usenet uusually are), I presume you got it fixed?]

Wrong.  I have no intention of telling my modem to ignore DTR or any
such thing in order to accommodate the stupidity of a program I don't
like anyway.  My other programs use that line - it's a much faster way
of hanging up a connection than giving the Hayes signal to the modem
to switch to command mode, and then giving a hangup command.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GUI/character-based app size (was Re: Shutting down Geocomm)
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:56:17 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>But GeoWrite is not a full-fledged word processor.  No mail merge, for
>instance.  I use mail merge on MS-Word to write letters to my Senators
>and Representative: one text document, three copies personalized with
>the appropriate name, address, salutation, etc.  GeoWrite can't do
>that.  GeoDraw is missing some good features, too: no arcs or splines,
>and once you've drawn a multisegment line, that's it; you can't move
>the vertices as you can in a real drawing program.  So of course
>they're smaller than the real thing.

I won't get into an argument about what constitutes full-fledged.  I'm a 
minimalist, so our views obviously differ.  I don't believe I said that the
Geos apps were as feature-ridden as, say, WordPerfect and Corel Draw.  I do,
however, believe that a Geos application written in object assembler will,
as a general rule, be smaller than a DOS application with the _same_ features,
written in C.  That's not a question of features, or even OS.  It's just a
question of how tightly you can code in a given language.  Of course, in
that light, I guess it doesn't belong here. ;)

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
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From: harper@rtsg.mot.com (David Harper)
Subject: Re: Background file format conversion
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:40:44 GMT

ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall) writes:

>Does anyone know if it's possible to convert a standard ".GIF" file for
>use as a GW background. What kind of format is used for the background
>pictures? I'd also like to convert some of the GW background file to
>the ".GIF" format for use on our Sun.

>Any leads greatfully followed.
>			-ted-

I've had mixed results playing around with Graphics Workshop by Alchemy Mind-
works, converting gif to pcx, then running Geodraw (I think this was the
sequence?!?!?}}|( ). I remember the clipboard came into use, and I haven't
tried a color image yet.  If I get time (and a registered copy of GWS) I'll
see if I can reproduce this...
-- 
"Purple antelope on a field of tuna fish!"
From: ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Mahjongg for Geos
Date: 9 Sep 1992 18:33:20 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory, Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Ted Cantrall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

Is there a version of Mahjongg for GW? I saw a Mahjonng tile set for
down-loading, but I've never heard of the game being available.
			-ted-

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Date: Sat,  5 Sep 92 17:39:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: Launchmaker explanation requested
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com (Chuck)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


Hi Chuck!

 > Get rid of the annoying "press return to return to Geos" message?

Well, it seems to be impossible. :-(
There exist in the geos.ini file the possiblity of following entry
in [fileManager]

promptOnReturn = FALSE

But this works only, if the dosprogram is called directly, and not
with the use of Launchmaker.
I do not have a solution.

 >  Expand the path to the executable to more than just 24 characters?
 >  Why on Earth did the author choose to limit paths to just 24
 >  characters?

Well, altough I`m not the author, I suppose, he hasn`t found more
place to store the string in the Icon. Probably he studied how an
"icon-application" is build, and found out, that there exists a
predefined room, which can be used for launchen.
It is just what I think. Even the preliminary docs don`t tell
something about the structure yet.

sorry
      ____
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Subject: Dogma
From: CHEESE%ETDAI2.decnet@etd88a.mdc.com (CHEESE B-})
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:12:29 GMT

Wow!  I left work on Friday after replying to Martin and did not realize what 
a wild weekend it has been.  MBB must have his little fingers ground to teeny
little nubs by now judging from the number of notes he has inundated us with.  

I can see already that MBB will never change his views even if GWE became the
first sentient operating system ever built.  He'd want it to iron his shirts 
too!  I'm truly sorry that MBB cannot find the time to adjust his system config
to accomplish what he wants, or has noone to help him get there.  I suppose if
he spent a fraction of the time he used this weekend complaining to solve his
GeoComm difficulties, we would all feel better today.  But I guess he was using
any other spare time to write his Senators and Representatives about how nasty
GWE is to him.  

MBB reminds me of those dogmatics in the Pro-Choice (read Pro-Death) Pro-Life
(read Pro-Anti-Choice) debates.  Neither will ever be convinced or persuaded
of the other side's merit.  Anyone in the middle will be laced with et
(oops) epithets and accusations.  Hmm... sounds pretty much like this weekend 
on this list.  

Martin, do a couple low level formats on your drives and purge them of the 
viperous Geos that lurks in the magnetic media.  And delete the address of 
pcgeos-list from your mail file.  Live and let live, okay?

*----- flames are subsiding, my keyboard is a puddle of plastic goo...  -----*

cwl >B-?
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From: phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm - WHY????
Organization: Computer Technology Group, TAEX
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:53:53 GMT

>In article <1992Sep12.112551.20046@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.
com (martin.brilliant) writes:

>...It's common for network drives to be given letters near the
>end of the alphabet; I wonder what GEOS would do in a case like that.

I'm very pleased with the way GW located and displayed every one of my
network drives. It displays them as a disk drive connected to coax. It does
not show them when I boot without the network. My pc at home has a built in
CD ROM which GW also finds and displays next to the other drive icons.
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From: mamason@mbunix.mitre.org (Mason)
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
	<1992Sep12.115320.20417@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:53:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.115320.20417@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:


   On the other hand, the disk space GeoWorks takes up is the last straw
   on my hard drive setup - it ran me out of space and I had to archive a
   lot of stuff just to get it loaded.  And I'm not really interested in
   most of the stuff it has.  It's not just an operating environment,
   it's a package, take it or leave it.  I guess I'm just not taking it.

							   Marty
   marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
   Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	

While it might seem expensive in terms of disk space on your XT,
Geoworks is certainly "cheap" in terms of an operating system or GUI
environment. A basic Win 3.0 installation gives you nothing but
accessory applications and takes up 6.5MB. The smallest windows word
processor I've seen takes up another 1.5MB, and a full-boat WinWord or
AMI-Pro installation will eat up 10MB plus. If you start bringing OS/2
or X11 into the picture the discussion devolves into the absurd.

I'm really not knocking any of the other GUI's btw, I'm merely
pointing out that a Graphical User Interface is by it's nature going
to use up more space than comparable character-based applications.

I don't know what other GUI you can realistically run on an XT.


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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Shutting down Geocomm
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:17:53 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

mhirsch@algorithms.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:

>But you can't use the TaskMAX swapper while your modem is active.  At
>least, I can't.  When I try it tells me that my com port is active.

>That strikes me as strange.  I can swap out any of my other comm
>programs using TaskMAX.

>Anyone solved this problem?

I don't know if what you're doing is the same as what I'm doing, but I've 
had no problem running Zmodem as an external protocol - which does use the
task swapper.  

As I've mentioned tons of times, I've got DTR recognition turned off on my
modem.  When I pick "Startup" and "Download" from the Express Menu, Taskmax
adds a task for Zmodem, and _somehow_, control of the com port [com2 in my
case] is transferred to the Zmodem task.  Personally, I think it's some sort
of magic... maybe the people at DR and Geos stuck lots of pins into a voodoo
doll of whoever designed the com port spec.

-Shag
-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Mahjongg for Geos
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:21:32 GMT

In article <Sep.10.15.49.31.1992.11016@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:

>I think [Mahjonng] might be part of the entertainment pack... which I
>didn't get, either.  I wonder if it's available in the stores yet.

It's not part of GeoWorks Escape, if that's what you're referring to.

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   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
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