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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Jan'93 AmigaWorld
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:41:23 GMT


I decided to pick up the latest AmigaWorld because of my interest in the
A1200--even though AW's review of the A4000 was lame.  I wish they would
at least show some internal shots of the new systems.

There are some other interesting things in this issue:

Has anyone used ProPage 4.0?  From the ad, it appears to a an excellent
DTP package.  (I know some competitive clone user will say, "but even the
most basic MSDOS DTP package can multiplex data lines with clock signals
from inexpensive local bus SVGA boards..."  Or some such nonsense.  ;-)

That shot of DeluxePaint-AGA is very impressive (but small)!

Caligari24 renders in 32-bit color?

I can't believe RAM boards are already available for that A600!  Won't
people just let it die...

Okay, the Amiga's 486SX-compatible bridgeboard looks impressive.  Is
anyone working on a 32-bit bridgeboard?

Can GFX-CAD 3000 read/write AutoCAD files?

The Amiga seems to have good virtual memory via GigaMem.  Is there another
option which does work with the 68040?

Anyone played Psygnosis' new game Cytron?

The One-Stop Music Shop gives 16-bit, 32-channel, stereo audio!

How affordable is Alfa Data's "highly affordable" AlfaScan-Plus scanner?

It is amazing how Creative Computers is still trying to convince that the
A3000 is better than the A4000.  They do have great prices on the A3000,
though.

I suppose I have to buy Beast III; I've got the first two.  I am a bit
tired of these floppy-only games, though.

Doesn't Vektor Storm (INOVAgames) look like Tempest?

Really, how hard could Psygnosis' Air Support be?  AW makes it sound
impossible, and with a Psygnosis game this may be true.

Any comments welcome.

-- Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Reply-To: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:29:15 GMT

In article GC9@news.udel.edu, don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:

 
>      Wrong.  3.0 also adds Datatypes.library, the directory caching FFS,

Sorry to break in here, but what is this Datatypes.library actally? Who uses
it?

________________________________________
/ Tomas Pihl
/ ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Lab, Sweden
/ email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:05:24 GMT

In article <BzIB18.KtG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>And we ALL KNOW that Amiga users are MUCH MORE LIKELY to hack into the
>hardware features then VMS programmers.

Hackers not *users* are more likely to take over the system to access the
graphics hardware, not the CPU. Big difference. It's quite obvious that 3.0
marks the end of this tradition and RTG will reinforce this.

>YOU are deluded if you think a Motorola->Alpha with operating system
>AND software transition can take place in less then 4 years.

Put your money where your mouth is. Four years is a long time in this
industry.

>C= is more likely to cut the Amiga line "loose" and move on to bigger and
>better things.  Maintaining backwards compatibility over such a huge
>chasm is just plain silly.

The overviews from the sessions at the WOC make it abundantly clear that
CBM has to capitalize on the Amiga market, not flounder like so many
others in the cutthroat PC world. Backwards compatibility has been mentioned
in the context of software, not system architecture.

>Hell, programs break from one Motorola generation to the next, much
>less Motorola to Alpha.  

Aren't you generalizing just a bit? This seldom happens on the Amiga and
when it does, it's almost always from errors in programming.

>In time, the alpha will be out of date!  Please don't spew the DEC
>marketing crap that maintains it is "viable for the next 20 years."
>Bullshit.  Newer, better, more advanced CPUs will come along.

Sure it's marketing hype, but they're claiming that the underlying
philosophy, not the chip itself, will have a 20 year lifespan. We're not
just talking desktops here. Besides, how long have the 80x86 and 680x0
series chips been out?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:25:31 GMT

 (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>  Actually dickhead, an AMiga 600 is selling for $389 Cdn in my City!!!!!
>>An amiga 500 goes for $299 Cdn too!!!!
>
>If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
>"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.
>
>An A500/A600 is a toy.
>

  Thats odd, here I thought I was reading newsgroups with my A500,
with only 512 KBs in it... I know someone just about 20 miles away
who creates television commercials, with an accelerator dctv and 32-bit
ram, on his A500. He doesn't think of it as a toy, and neither do the
ibmers who come to him for his help.
 
-- 
         Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                   Video. Cher: Love and Understanding.
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:24:52 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Dec15.181516.19634@ida.liu.se> y88kenek@odalix.ida.liu.se (Kenneth Ekman) writes:
>daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>It took about 2.5 years from concept to shipping for AGA.  Something 
>>significantly more sophisticated might take longer, though part of AGA's problem
>>was being based on the ECS chipset, at least in part.

>Does that mean that the future low end chipset is not based on ECS and
>that some of the stuff that was put into AGA just to stay compatible
>with it will be removed in future chipsets?

The "What" of AGA is bound to be reproduced in future chip sets.  The "How" is
guaranteed to change.  The target for register-level compatibility is the
pre-ECS chipset.

-- 
Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
 "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
		SCIENCE:	"I'll believe it when I see it"  
		RELIGION:	"I'll see it when I believe it"
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:51:25 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Where are people uploading screen shots of their Workbench screens?  I've been
complimented on mine several times and would like to help dispell these rumors
(I will say it would be nice if someone at CBM would wake up and set up the
defaults to something eye-appealing.  It doesn't take *that* long.  The standard
icons for disks and so on could use some work, too).
-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Help me not to change computers!
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:02:06 GMT

In article <Bz2F2y.9nv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
|> >I often use 486-PCs, but none of the games I've tried has the feeling
|> >you would require of an Amiga game. I friend of mine has recently sold
|> >his 486 to get an Amiga 1200, in order to play better games.
|> 
|> Care to list some of these rotten PC games?  Ultima Underworld?
|> Wolfenstien?  Commander Keen?  Falcon 3.0?  Wing Commander?

Hey, Wing Commander **IS** a rotten game! It's pretty, and all, but it's no
great game. Nobody I've met ever even PLAYS it - except to show off.

Wolfenstein 3D is a neat concept, sort of a real time Dungeon Master. I've 
never actually played it... but the discussion was with regard to "feel". 
Somehow, scrolling your guy around the playfield by spinning the mouse like
a trackball in heat just doesn't seem like the right "feel" to me!

Never played any of the others, either... but I hate Ultima games with a 
passion! (Sorry LB... but I've told you how I feel.)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Call for Screenshots (was re: AW and Workbench)
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:11:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.075442.10843@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu
(Hsu I-wei) writes:
>Anyways, I would hope my Workbench doesn't look primitive to
>everyone else (that includes other Amiga users ;). I run Workbench at
>724x566 (max PAL overscan) with 4 colors..  you don't happen to have an IFF
>viewer do you? I wouldn't mind a second opinion on the look of my Workbench.

Good idea. Why not grab a snapshot of 3.0 and uuencode the GIF and mail
it to Dan? In fact, doesn't Skip have his layout on wuarchive?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:18:00 GMT

In article <BzKM8G.17H@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

[ ]
>
>We were talking about computers, not consoles.  I can get a PC for
>$29.95.  I wouldn't want to, though.  Let's see you do something
>useful on a computer with no hard drive and 1 MB of RAM.

On a 512k PC with one floppy drive you can use a program called Derive which
is a very powerful symbolic algebra program. Works fine.
 
You can also word process on a PC with very little memory. You can do lot's of
useful things. In fact what seems odd is to spend $3000 on a 486 to do not
much more (for most people).
 
To be frank a 10meg drive or 2 floppies and 640k ram would be more pleasant.
This system can be had for around $200 up here. Add $50 for the "limited"
version of Deriove and you have a very good $250 solution to a lot of things.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:44:36
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Dec14.214908.615@sol.cs.wmich.edu> <BzA2AI.Hs0@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
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In-reply-to: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 01:47:05 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 01:47:05 GMT, cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) said:

cfury> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:

>And to the alpha processor, it has a rewritable opcode to emulate an
>68040 or something like that.  So perhaps that is how they pulled
>running amigados on the alpha.  Of course you would want an os that
>would run directly off the risc cpu, ie risc os.

Well, I don't think this is entirely correct.  The PALcode is a
writable control store but it's there to use when the Alpha code is
very difficult to implament some feature that you want.  Most of the
other stuff is standard risc type instructions.  

If some amigados is running on an Alpha, then it would have been
ported to the alpha processor. (Recompiled and hardware dependencies changed.)

cfury> That's not really necessary, because it'll be blazing fast
cfury> anyway.... Besides, all the programs would be written and
cfury> compiled for a 68000 machine... (ie Dpaint, ProKludge, Final
cfury> Copy etc...)

A well. If you have another processor then you will need to (at least)
recompile. 


-- Andrew Hansford
From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens  SUCK!
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:15:16 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I just downloaded Dan's .GIFs of his OS2 desktop.

P U K E !!!   Major hurl!

The only thing that impressed me was the nice scroll bars.
All other gadgetry was horrible.  Sorry, but I'll stick with
my Amiga.

I am not impressed et al!  Dan, if you haven't figured out how
to .IFF -> .GIF, I'll do it for you.  After you see some of
the Amiga WB screens I think you'l have a change of mind.

My WB is quite nice.  And you can't even see it all because my
BEUTIFULLY drawn ANIMS in my DOCK aren't all shown.  Only the first
frame.   I'll snapshot it anyways, and post it
up on amiga.physik.unizh.ch  It'll probably end up in the directory
with all the other WB pics... gfx/wb (or is it pix/wb?)


--
Travis Carter
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From: mpoutane@niksula.hut.fi (Matti Samuli Poutanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How does this HAM kludge work?
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:30:53
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
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In-reply-to: cs_e445@ceres's message of 14 Dec 1992 13:29:33 GMT


No. I started to think about that when I wrote the article on regular HAM.
If HAM8 means that they use 8 bitplanes, you will not have enough info to
fully specify the component you modify, because it's 8 bits. You will only
be able to change 6 bits of the component. Someone in the know, please
fill us in.

--
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Dept. of Physics		   ---------------------------------------
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							- Eddie Murphy
From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: BLAZEMONGER on Drugs (was Stupidity (was:Re: Usual offtopic junk))
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:00:25 GMT
	<92342.020608CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu's message of 7 Dec 92 07:06:08 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Dec 92 07:06:08 GMT, CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu (ChrisSlothman Stoy) said:

Chris> (Sorry, I just had to respond to this load of stupidity)

Please don't bother.

Chris> In article <Paula_Lieberman.07ey@amicol.UUCP>,
Chris> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) says:
>
>somebody was saying the the US should keep drugs illegal because of crack
>babies -- maybe if the stuff were legalized and controlled, the number of
>crack babies would DROP, because there'd be big fat warnings on opiates
>that they're bad news for fetuses, and because the distribution channels

Chris> Obviously you were high when you wrote this.  Anyone who hasn't
Chris> just crawled out from under a rock knows that cigerett smoking
Chris> leads to lung desease and hurt unborn babies.

On a related note, I heard that BLAZEMONGER has been put up for FDA
review because it is so incredibly ADDICTIVE that many players are
unable to tear themselves away long enough to perform even the most
basic bodily functions. In the last week alone, the number of deaths due
to bladder explosion have tripled.

It is expected that in the future BLAZEMONGER will be available by
prescription only.

Ob. concern about unborn babies: the NATIONAL ENQUIRER ran a story about
one woman/BLAZEMONGER addict who actually gave birth to an actual SLIME
BREATHING ALIEN.  Her physician feels it is related to her excessive BM
play. Fortunately, she was able to get the MSG power up on level 4576
and turn it into a can of LACHOY(tm) PORK CHOW MEIN before it could eat
the proud father.

Ob. off topic complaint: Who the hell changed this group from c.s.a.a
to alt.politics?! Why don't you idiots move it to a.p?!
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This MUST be a good party -- My RIB CAGE is being painfully
 pressed up against someone's MARTINI!!
From: pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The A1200 vs. A600
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:41:30 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com

In article <1992Dec11.185610.12094@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>(Peter Mitchell) writes:
>>The units are for sale in Canada right now and 
>>>should be in the United States, Australia, and other markets very soon.
>>>
>>
>>Of course they may get diverted to meet the demand in Europe. :-)
>
>This sounds like the game of Risk. Maybe Commodore should draft in
>some retired Generals to lead the worldwide assault on the home
>computer market.
>

I thought they already had :-)

-- 
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Dept.92941, TXE Engineering,               |  A Mac A Day Makes Your Brain
NT Europe LTD.                             |           Rot Away :-)
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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bus Standards
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:08:23 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>
>>On the other hand:  one has to wonder where software/hardware
>>technology would be today if people had tried harder to be compatible.
>
>Compatible? As in cooperate or assimilate?

Both!  The assimilation of the Amiga would not be a bad thing for Amiga
users.  If the Amiga was part of the "mainstream" they could have
access to our software base and we to their multimedia and OS.  It is
only because instead of trying to ADVANCE this "open architecture" C=
set off with it's own, you can't get our MS-Excel, and we are just
awakening to your multimedia.  It's unfortunate that we have all this
wasted energy duplicating work.

>>What if instead of the plethora of incompatible 68K,
>>Intel, RISC cpus, everyone wrote to one binary standard, but produced
>>variations on the speed, power, and price of the chips.
>
>We'd have Unix.

Unix isn't a binary standard.  I can't take a Sparc program and run it
on an Amiga.  I am talking about a binary standard for software,
compilers and CPUs.

>
>

Yes, but if the rest are just duplicating efforts anyways!  Making
spreadsheets for the Amiga and raytracers for the PC!  If they were
binary compatible, those efforts could be used to ADVANCE the state of
the art.  Who knows how much money NewTek is wasting trying to make a
real PC version of the toaster.  Or how much WP wasted making an Amiga
version. Binary compatibility would get rid of most of these problems.

>>Who cares WHY they are jumping on the bandwagon.  It's reduntant to say
>impact: people will realize how gratuitous it is and go back to reading
>the manuals.
>

Nobody reads the manuals now!  Why do you expect them to do it in the
future?  There is a huge market in QUE books, consulting, training, and
wordperfect/lotus/dbase classes.  These people want to learn but DON"T
LIKE MANUALS.

>>The Amiga was always into multimedia for multimedia's sake. Which is fine
>Please insert quarter. 
>

Limited corporate value is what I mean.  It appeals to that small part
of industry that creates videos and demos.  WordPerfect *OBVIOUSLY* has
a much larger audience.  Multimedia wordperfect, which makes
wordperfect easier to use and learn will have a similarly huge
audience.


>Somehow this seems like a non sequitor to me, but in any case: people
>learn through dialogue and situated cognition, not bells and whistles.
>There's a big difference between CAI and multimedia.

But they go hand in hand.  I learned more about emus playing with
mammals for five minutes then I would have learned in a lifetime of
having a row of encyclopedias on my desk.  With multimedia, the
education comes to YOU in a form you will find interesting.  It's like
T.V., only interactive.


I wholeheartedly believe in the benfit of multimedia as an educational
tool, but I think that C= is ignoring that by not pushing CDs in it's
mainstream Amiga's.  As a multimedia educational medium, CD-I is going
to destroy CDTV, because Phillips understands home electronics.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>>	Well, I have used both and I have to agree with Dan.  OS2's WPS looks
'>>    much more professional then WB2.x.  
'>
'>Did you use an Amiga with the Workbench as configured by Commodore?  If so,
'>I am afraid that your experience may have been a bad one as the standard
'>configuration is indeed very ugly.  As I just recently purchased an A4000,
'>I had a brief exposure to the horrible standard configuration, but after
'>a few minutes had it adjusted to my liking.

	This is indeed the case.  My experience with WB2.x was on 2 A3000's
   that I had a chance to use.  One was a friends in which I didn't think it
   was proper to go changing any preferences.  The other was at an Amiga 
   dealer, which I assume must have been the CBM configuration.  Both looked
   pretty bad IMO.  When I get an AGA Amiga in Jan-Feb ( I hope ) I will be
   able to make a better comparison.  Not that it matters much.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
'>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
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From: vollath@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Ulrich Vollath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Alpha Fun Fact #2314
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:07:00 GMT
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Originator: vollath@hpeick6.informatik.tu-muenchen.de


In article <AHANSFOR.92Dec15014942@bigwpi.wpi.edu>, ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
[... stuff deleted]
|> Indeed.  There is no reason not to have an Alpha in a Desktop if the
|> design takes the thermal properties into effect.  DEC does it.  Alpha
|> is also ready to go 3.3 volt but I imagine that the new chip sets are
|> still 5 volts anyway.
|> 
Yesterday, I've been visiting the german DEC Alpha road show.
In fact, it is 3.3 V now, and they said (!?!), the 
cooling device only gets hand warm (didn't try myself).
They showed the Alpha PC with Widdow NT.

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