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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: A Call to Political Action(was the Syrian record)
Organization: UiO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 12:35:08 GMT

In article <7NOV199215143673@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu
(Alexandre Khalil) writes:
>In article <1992Nov07.175729.11347@eng.umd.edu>, ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K.
Cheiban) writes...

>
>  They remind us that beyond petty quarrels, there is/should be a broader 
>vision of the world to guide us.
>
>alex khalil   alex@dt.uh.edu
>


I do not need to requote all that Ziad and Alexandre said, If you have not read
their articles, I recomend you do so.

I suggest that we start an "SCL news Letter" or rather help out with the LebNet
news letter. I have very much respect for Boudi who has run LebNet, so I
suggest we help him and gather as much info as we can in order to "complete" or
complement the info that Boudi sends to very many of us.

We could also try to make these LebNet newsletters more available to people who
are not on the net.

Boudi and the management of LebNet had suggested such a plan eariler, but it
was funds that failed to come in from those recieving LebNet.


Why not build on what we have, and try to reach more people with it and try to
make LebNet as complete as possible?

my 2 kroner's worth


elie wardini
From: U38065@uicvm.uic.edu (Nasri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Shaheed
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:17:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I am not an excpert in the arabic language, but what is in common between
Shahed (witness) and Shaheed.

By the way, when you say that shaheed is an islamic term and not arabic,
eventhough it has been used by the arabs over all to mean any one who dies
in the names of his/her believes, you are scaring the christian who say that
they are not accepted as arabs because they are not muslims.

So no wonder that many christians denounce their being arabs when people like
you say that an ARABIC word used by christians is a muslim term.

Maybe it IS an ISLAMIC term, but hey, maybe we do recognize some of your terms
and borrow them, but we do NOT recognize that Mohammed ws a true prophet or
that God has spoken to him, when you DO recongnize that Jesus was at least a pr
ophet and that he rose from the death.  We may have borrowed a word, but at
least we did not borrow a religion. ie. Mohammad believed in Jesus, not vice
versa.
_According to the christian faith there were to be NO prophets after Jesus Chri
st and therefore, Mohammad was not a prophet.  And the Islamic religion is base
d on the Judeo-christian religion.

I did not write this to offend anyone, but I just wanted to show everyone, that
 if one person goes to the extremes, the other will be able to.  We do not want
 anybosy to be hurt.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but the points that I brought about the Christian
vs Islamic religion, were brought from a very fundamentalist point.  I was
being the devil's advocate.


Nasri
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|        Je suis jeune, il est vrai; mais aux ames bien nees            |
|        La valeur n'attend point le nombre des annees.                 |
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From: ghassoun@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Hassoun)
Subject: Re: Foreign people owning in Lebanon
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.172214.12068@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:
>Hi
>
>I would like to ask a question to all the people who have been writing
>for and against the proposed plan for downtown Beirut.]
>Most of you are against ownership of shares in that project for non-lebanese
>people. I ask why ?

In order to try to block ``somebody's *long term* misinformed vision'',
may be :-)

>
>rached
>

-- 
lakum lubnanukum wa li lubnani - Gibran Khalil Gibran
George Hassoun     (ghassoun@eleceng.adelaide.edu.au)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Marcel Khalife
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:06:20 GMT

In article <101061@bu.edu> samer@bass.bu.edu (Samer Faraj) writes:

>
>Can some of the people who attended the Marcel concerts let us know
>how it went? 

I do not qualify. 

>
>His music sometimes takes several sessions of listening to, before
>one can appreciate it fully.  Has anyone acquired any new tapes?
>

Yes, he has a new tape out, It is even available on CD.  That will be the first
time any of his work has been released on a CD.

The release is a collection of short orchestral works (no lyrics).  It is
entitled "Summer Night's Dream", which was released with the english title.
The only common factor between it and Mandelssohn's "A Midsummer night's
Dream" is that they are both Inspired by Shakespeare's play which carries
the same latter title.  The music is certainly a new attempt to introduce
a more classical element to the arabic music, which is an effort that's
yet to be taken but by a few of the arab composers.

Some parts of the music is lively and truely inspires dreams, while others
are a bit more calm.  As an overall, it has received some good and
bad reviews by those who have listened to it, it is totally different
than his previous works.

Samir M. Fahs

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Jihad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: reward
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:32:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

>In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
>("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>>
>>                 ======== Elie  Mourad ========
>>
>>  ========I pay 10000LL for any one who can keep this man silent.==========


What?  Elie is only worth 10,000 LL?

I'm sure I can go to the Syrians to bargain an even higher price!

:")  Sorry, couldn't resist, ya Elie.  :^D

Anisa

	"Fellow Zionists...Israel and the United States need each
	other.  We benefit from each other and our alliance is
	unshakeable because it rests on two firm pillars-strategic
	interests and common values.  My friends, difficulties
	aside, Israel and the United States remain friends and
	allies today and we shall be friends and allies forever."

			Dan Quayle (address to AIPAC conference,
			April 7, 1992)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: The Litani River
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:10:50 GMT

In article <Nov09.173851.72221@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:

>
>   a book soon to be released called _The Litani_ written by
>John Collors.  I am not sure when the book will be
>released, it is still in draft status.  I am going to
>get a copy of the UN report and post excerpts from it to s.c.l.
[...]
>
>Basil 

We look forward to seeing those excerpts posted on SCL, as well as
to any information that can be obtained about the book upon its
release.  

Samir M. Fahs
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re:reward
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:42:54 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde


In article <1992Nov8.153509.5464@csi.uottawa.ca> u554835@csi.uottawa.ca (Fadi Kachi - President.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>  
>ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>>  

>Why do you want to keep him silent.

I don't want to silence him in the way YOU KNOW IT, rather I want him to 
moderate the language in his post.
If you still remember the images he used to send to the netters which depict
arabs as slave traders, the post about the guys in Egypt who converted to
Xtianity, his sarcastic comments on Dr Hoss and PM Hariri...probably you
recognize why I want him to moderate his post.

>
>COULD IT BE THAT HE IS SAYING THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>
No need to reply, obviously you are one of those who grew up hating the air
we breathe.

>You have the right to speak up your mind. and we do too. I respect you  
>opinion, and I hope  you respect mine.
>
You have every right to form your opinions and speak your mind about anything
you want, but you don't have any right to indulge in bashing the others.
This applies to me before you. 

>I agree with what Elie is saying.

I would be surprised if you disagree. You know the story of the tiger and
his spots don't you?

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* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K. *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Assad the terrorist.
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.053502.26783@njitgw.njit.edu>, elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
|> 
|> From CLAO:
|> 
|> In today's New York Times, Mr. A.M.Rosenthal wrote that President-Elect
|> Clinton is inheriting "still vivid dangers" from the Bush administration.
|> "Saddam Hussein in power after military defeat. Syria ruling Lebanon.
|> Expansion of Syrian military strength. Economic and military explosion
|> of Iranian power and the drive toward Iran's nuclear capacity.
|> 
|> Rosenthal added: "Mr. Assad is not only a terrorist against foreigners
|> and his own people but the landlord...for the largest collection of 
|> terrorist killers ever gathered i one country...So large in fact 
|> that Syria has been officially listed as a terrorist nation by the 
|> United States, year after year. That did not prevent BushBaker from
|> acceding...to the Syrian takeover of Lebanon, a bit of perfidy Americans
|> barely note."

How come there is no mention of Israels' devias efforts by Mr. Rosenthal.
Or this is to be expected, Rosenthal is a famous Jewish name. Has the Jewish
lobbyists recruited CLAO as part of their propaganda machine?.

If Syrians are terrorists, what would you and he make of the Israelis'
that instill fear in the heart of Palestinians who are fighting to crawl
from underneath the Israeli occupation.

What is the definition of a terrorist from your perspective and his?.

Was terrorism invented by the Syrians or was it perfected by the Israelis'?.

You think keeping Saddam in power is good for Bush, Clinton, or the US?.

A.Faris 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: hani@mustard.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: reward
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:07:18 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@mustard.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov11.094046.20087@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:

> >
> >That's a totally meaningless example given the fact that the Serbs
> >have had clashes with both Bosnians and Croats. Last time I checked
> >the Croats were not very Moslem :-) Try again Mr. Ballouz.
> >
> >[irrelevant remarks deleted]
> >
> I sent you a post in order to praise you for the your SHORT LIVED reformed
> style. Obviously, I was grossly wrong. You did not change in past and it was
> very stupid of me in the first place to try to give a moderate response.

I have been patiently following this discussion, and not to my surprise,
ELIEM has always taken the role of the "smart Kid" as Ziad puts it in his
"Ala'ael Zine'" tapes.  It is a well "documented" fact by now, that he lacks
the basic courtesy of engaging in a decent discussion without "acting" as an
immature, ill-informed, an Aoun-blind-supporter and a "news_to_abuse"
broadcaster.

Starting from his slaves article, to Egypt's prosecution of xtians, to Arab
bashing (to mention a few) he continuosly beats his hatred drums and call
for personal attacks.  It took place with various posters on s.c.l.  In the
conclusion of every single exchange, he was described as childish and was
always wrong.  Yet, he still humiliates himself by projecting this image
which adds to the tension between us.  Does it serve any other purpose?
Does it contribute to our dialogue, who many seek with their lip service,
but reluctant in their intents?

I am really fed up with this exchange.  Not to imply that I want to silence
"Mr. Big Mouth", and start getting wise mail about the freedom of speech
and what have you.  He is doing a great job in exposing himself.  

-Hani
 
  
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From: samer@bass.bu.edu (Samer Faraj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Marcel Khalife
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:40:08 GMT
Reply-To: samer@bass.bu.edu (Samer Faraj)
Followup-To: soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov8.195008.20611@csi.uottawa.ca> wsaba@csi.UOttawa.CA (Walid Saba) writes:
>I just saw Marcel in Ottawa (couple of weeks back) and he was just 
>amazing. His new music, and his well-known responsible message of
>true love of country, humanity, and just causes were self evident.
>
>He impressed the people from our part of the world as well as Canadians
>and other nationals. He's someone that makes us proud.

Can some of the people who attended the Marcel concerts let us know
how it went?  Does he and his group have a different style of music
than before or is it the same (excellent) style as before?  

His music sometimes takes several sessions of listening to, before
one can appreciate it fully.  Has anyone acquired any new tapes?
--

  /\                     	Samer Faraj
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/__/__(_/|_/ / / <_</_/ (_	Telephone: (617) 353-5003
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: reward
Organization: UiO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.122516.21816@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
("I.Ballouz") writes:
>===============================================================================

>             rrrr     eeee   w   w   w    aaaaa    rrrr      ddd  
>             r   r    e       w     w     a   a    r   r     d   d
>             rrrr     eee     w  w  w     aaaaa    rrrr      d   d 
>             r   r    e        w   w      a   a    r   r     d   d
>             r    r   eeee     w   w      a   a    r    r    d d
>===============================================================================

>
>
>
>                         ~~~~~~   ~~~~~
>                        ~~   ~~~~   ~~~    ~
>                     ~~~~             ~ ~~ ~~
>                    ~~~                     ~~
>                    ~~~ o o o     o o o    ~~~
>                    ~~    oo       oo     ~~~
>                     ~         n          ~~
>                      s       n n        s
>                       s     mmmmm     s 
>                         s    mmm   s s
>                            sssss
>  
>
>                 ======== Elie  Mourad ========
>
>
>  ========I pay 10000LL for any one who can keep this man silent.==========
>===============================================================================

>-- 
>*******************************************************************************

>* IBRAHIM BALLOUZ            **           DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE         
*
>* ccav38@uk.ac.strath.ccsun  **  STRATHCLYDE UNIVERSITY GLASGOW SCOTLAND U.K.
*
>*******************************************************************************

>


joke or not, such posts are condemnable! It is not funny and it is not
acceptable! whether we agree with ElieM or not, whether we agree with Ibrahim
Ballouz or not!



elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: The Syrian record.
Organization: UiO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:11:17 GMT



For some reason or another, I have not recieved Samir Fahs' post, but from what
I gather from the replies and the quotes that exist therein I would say:

Samir, I do believe that there should be a party or person who is the advocate
of the devil, this in fact is necessary (was it Sununu who was Perot in the
Bush's mock debates?).

But Samir, I sort of miss your points, where do you want to lead us? what do
you want to teach us?

You sort of imply (or don't you?) that we Lebanese should consider ourselves as
one (from what I gather from Anisa's reply to you) but you fail to explain how
we can disagree on so many points?

I do not want to say that we Lebanese are far appart and are on un-reconcilbale
sides of a divide, but I would like to make the point that different parts of
the Lebanese society have very different opinions on the same subjects.

Therefore, It is logical that different Lebanese will view things from
different points.

The question then becomes: how are we going to reconcile our different view
points or how are we going to live with eachother, since this is what we want
(or don't we?)

Anisa in fact gave the best answer:

CLAO is reporting one side of the story, others can report the other. NOte also
the posts by Ziad and Alexandre.

Some Lebanese are Arabs first, others are Arabs second, and others are not
Arabs at all. The solution is that we see each other as complementary and act
accordingly!

The day Rached will be able, for example, to answer the question that he posted
on SCL, defending my rights as a non-Arab, I will feel safe in Lebanon and the
Middle East.


So if your major concern is the negative role that Israel is playing in
Lebanon, then please inform us about these (as for example Ayman does by
posting news reports, Ayman posts all reports he gets and does not, as far as I
can tell, choose what to post).

Others like CLAO have as an aim to expose Syria.

Unless it is so that CLAO actually supports the Israeli occupation of Lebanon
and unless you support the Syrian occupation in Lebanon, I do not see that your
view and CLAO's are exclusive.

If you for example do not support Aoun, this does not mean that you support the
Syrian occupation just to oppose Aoun. The same must be true for others, it is
not justified to support the Israeli occupation just because we are against the
Syrian one.


elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: Syrian - Russian deal.
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:53:43 GMT

Elie I. Mourad (elie@hdtv.njit.edu) wrote:
: From CLAO:
: The daily al-Hayat reported that Syria and Russia have struck a deal
: that will provide Damascus with advanced warplanes, tanks and anti-missile
: systems.

Not really...

	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Moscow has canceled the proposed sale to Syria of
$2 billion worth of jet fighters, anti-missile systems and tanks as a
result of Damascus' inability to pay cash for the high-tech weapons
package, U.S. analysts and Arab diplomats said Thursday.
	A Russian delegation recently travelled to Syria to seal the deal, to
which both nations agreed last year.
	But Russia's all-cash demand to Syria, which owes Moscow nearly $15
billion from past sales of weapons and other goods, soured the deal,
they said.
	``The Syrians wanted it, but the deal didn't go through because they
couldn't afford to pay cash for the weapons,'' a U.S. analyst speaking
under conditions of anonymity told United Press International.
	Russia has refused to extend credit to Syria since the disintegration
of the Soviet Union, U.S. analysts and Arab diplomats in Washington
said. Damascus, which has its own severe financial woes, has in turn
lost its primary weapons supplier.
	The sale of 24 MIG-29 jet fighters, 12 Sukhoi-27 fighter-bombers, 300
T-72 and T-74 tanks and an unspecified number of SA-10 and SA-16
missiles -- which the Lebanese newspaper Al-Hayat said Monday was a done
deal -- would pose a quandry for the United States.
	Syria participated in the Gulf War coalition that ousted Iraq from
Kuwait and in the Middle East peace talks. But the Arab nation remains
on the administration's list of countries that support international
terrorism, which precludes Washington from selling any arms to Syria.
	Furthermore, U.S. officials have said, Syrian President Hafez al-
Assad is inceasingly seen as the key that American policymakers need to
unlock the door leading to better relations with Arabs in the oil-rich
Persian Gulf region.
[...]
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syria: Research center for torture.
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:35:05 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <nabeel.721417846@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>
>   I wish that God protects and guard Hafez Na'jeh as he protected
>and guarded that interests of his people.

Sounds like something that the abd al-Assad sheikh (Kaftaro) would say ...

I sincerely hope that you are joking, Nabeel.  Somehow I read your
post with some sarcasm, though I still cannot understand how you
think yet.

And you accuse *me* of being inciteful!

Yours truly.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Not worth my time (was Re: Hoss outstanding (was Re: Lebanon corporation?))
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.015059.6167@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
>ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
>
>Do not interfere with my post, and I won't give any of what you called 
>"nonesense".
>
>Elie replies:
>
>How old are you Mr. Ballouz ?

I am 31. However, I doubt I will ever be old enough to swallow your cynical,
sarcastic and provocative comments.

Anyway, being that wise yourself, perhaps you could advise me on how to grow
a thicker skin, (not as yours of course, nobody will ever be able to do so)
a reasonably thick one in order to avoide getting sick whenever you decide to
say something.

>Elie.


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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Jihad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syria: Research center for torture.
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:35:47 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Elie writes :>

>Amnesty International's "Torture in the Eighties" documents use of 
>torture in at least 66 countries, with allegations of torture in 
>six more. As just one example of man's inhumanity to man, AI's Nov. 
>1987 Report detailed the following torture methods used in Syria.

I read this two years ago also, with much sympathy and sorrow -
especially concerning my brothers in the Syrian prisons.  (I am
not very familiar with these same methods as used on Lebanese ...
astaghfir Allaho atheem.)

[Descriptions deleted]

Hafez al-Assad is truly the Master of Pain, Suffering, and Torture.

May Allah, Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem, be with the innocent people who
are subjected to this anguish, insha'Allah.
 
Allah is Kareem ...

With tears -
Anisa