HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: BART concrete ties, was Re: CalTrain scheduling musings
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:46:51 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <1992Dec17.000429.9508@telebit.com> bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.183159.1500@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
: 	Having durable track. BART has this; a very large fraction of
: BART's roadbed is either concrete slab or concrete ties on gravel. The
: only wooden ties I've ever seen are at the switches or some leftovers
: from the original test line that had been incorporated into the BART
: system.
>
>The line to Concord has only every fifth tie concrete. 
>It's the *quietest* part of the BART system I've ridden.

	Just a part of it near Walnut Creek and Pleasant Hill.

	But the track may have been rebuilt if it was originally
4'8.5", since BART's gauge if 5'6".

>Note that Harre Demorro forcast Dire Results when this was
>done. Demorro wrote hysterical articles for the SF Chronicle
>about the cost overruns that led to the decision to place
>wooden ties along that stretch of line.

	I've seen pictures of the Daly City Yard (site of the upcoming
Colma station), and the ties were all concrete except for the switch
ties. I did see a pile of wooden ties on Hwy. 4, just east of its
intersection with the Port Chicage Hwy.

	I point this out because at the Colma groundbreaking, one BART
planner claimed that concrete ties were remarkably trouble-free
compared to wooden ones. Less required maintenance seems to be the
experience elsewhere.

>Of course, Demorro thinks that anything on rails that lacks
>a trolley pole or external boiler should be scrapped.

	If he thinks _that_, then why would he be a concrete-tie
enthusiast? All the recent-model overhead-wire pickups for rail
vehicles I've ever seen are pantographs, and one-arm ones at that.
External boilers? I've seen some articles on speculative designs for
modernized steam engines every now and then, but they don't seem to
have gone anywhere.

-- 
/Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
/lip@s1.gov
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
Subject: Re: Socialized parking
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:42:21 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <tjs2o7o@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:
>In article <75585@apple.apple.COM>, ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>> In article <tj1ufa8@sgi.sgi.com> jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:
>> >
>> >One caveat, though.  If your local Safeway wants to provide free
>> >parking, it should be allowed, just as it should be allowed to
>> >subsidize transit users.  But city-maintained parking (i.e. all
>> >curbside parking) should be paid for by parkers somehow.
>> >
>> 
>> And if it wants to provide some service to white customers at the expense
>> of those not so lucky, should that also be permitted?  If not, what's the
>> difference?
>
>What?  I don't see the connection.  Is free parking violating civil
>rights now?  I'm not sure of the point here.  Safeway shouldn't be
>allowed to provide free parking because some people can't afford cars?
>Are you just being silly?

No, I'm not being silly.  But I'm not sure the point is worth launching
a lengthy debate over either.

We are all comfortable with the notion that all discrimination on the basis of
race is BAD, but that mild discrimination on the basis of car ownership is OK.
(I hope the jump from asking everyone to pay for a service only available
to some members of the group to discrimination is clear; that is, the
parking at Safeway isn't "free.")  It probably *is* ok, as things go, since
relatively little harm is done (as compared to other kinds of discrimination,
such as that against gays, that is still legal in places).  But the difference
is quantitative rather than qualitiative.

Or maybe there is a qualitiative difference that I'm missing?
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
RAAM in '93?		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: ba.transportation
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: CalTrain scheduling musings
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:55:21 GMT

dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com wrote: 
->It requires 10 trains running constantly to provide 15 minute frequency.

... and only one train is required to screw up and make everyone
miserable for the next two hours.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: dsherman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Daniel P. Sherman)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:54:34 GMT
Subject: Re: CalTrain scheduling musings
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: ba.transportation

jeremy@classic.asd.sgi.com (Jeremy Higdon) writes:


>> Currently there are four "stations" with proper separation of
>> passengers and track - SJ, Lawrence, Palo Alto, and SF.  (I'm
>> ignoring south of SJ because I don't know that area and it is 
>> new to the system.)
>
>What do you mean by "proper"?  What's wrong with Sunnyvale or
>Redwood City, for instance?  They seem perfectly serviceable.

I think in this case, "proper" means a separation such that passengers
never have to walk across one track to get to the other.  Those four
station have tunnels, overhead bridges, or other passageways for
passengers to use to cross to the other side of the tracks.  None of
the other stations in the system have that.  The benefit of such
stations with the separation is that two trains going in opposite
directions may enter the station at the same time.  Currently at most
stations, when two trains approach the same station in opposite
directions, one of them must wait outside the station for the other
to complete the stop, and move out.  That can have a signficant effect
on schedules when the frequencies are increased.

Dan Sherman
Hewlett-Packard Palo Alto ITC
dsherman@corp.hp.com
Newsgroups: ba.transportation,sci.environment,ca.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Natural Gas?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec17.001902.13770@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
	<JMC.92Dec16171509@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<ELM.92Dec16182200@terrorism.berkeley.edu>
	<JMC.92Dec16190639@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<ELM.92Dec16234349@joyride.berkeley.edu>
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:40:35

Still no numbers from Ethan Miller.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: ba.transportation,sci.environment,ca.environment
From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: GLS Hike This Saturday (+ Others)
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


The Gay and Lesbian activity section of the Sierra Club Loma Prieta Chapter
invites you to participate in the following hike this Saturday the 19th:


    * Rancho San Antonio Park

      - This is a 4.5-mile easy-to-moderate hike with an elevation gain
        of less than 1000 feet.

      - The park is located in the Cupertino hills near Foothill Expy.   
        and highway 280. The park features a farm operated by the City
        of Mountain View.

      - Meet at the Billy De Frank Center in San Jose at 9:30 AM with
        lunch, liquids, and layered clothing.

      - If you have any questions, call either Bill (408-356-2011) or
        Illong (408-997-1015).


Other upcoming holiday hikes are as follows. (More information will appear
later.)

    * Big Basin (Wed., 12/30)

      - This will be a 12-mile hike in this well known Santa Cruz mountain
        park that will commence from the De Frank Center at 8:30 AM. For
        more info, call Bill at 408-356-2011.

    * Mission Peak (Fri., 1/1)

      - Join us for an invigorating New Year's Day ascent to Mission
        Peak above Mission San Jose (Fremont area). The views from the
        top are incomparable on a clear day. For more info, call George
        at 408-265-7341 or Fernando at 408-294-7962.
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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Calling oneself "QUEER"
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<liur11INN4af@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:32:44 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <liur11INN4af@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Queer writes:

   I am 32 and use 'Queer' all of the time.  THe word that I hate
   is Lesbian - to me it sounds like a reptile.  Like the
   elimination of the word faggot for men I am one Dike who
   would like the elimination of Lesbian for woman (that 
   should make a few people squirm).

Hmm.  I'm perfectly happy with 'gay'.  And 'lesbian' doesn't bother me
as a word (but since I'm male, I recognize that my opinion on this is
not of consequence).

But once you get to that tongue-twister 'lesbianism', it starts
sounding a little weird...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

    ----------------------------------------------------------------
   | Documentation Manager, Oracle Toolkit Group                    |
   | Co-chair of Oracle Lambda, Oracle's Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual group |
   | Writer, magician, and various other things                     |
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From: Queer
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Calling oneself "QUEER"
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:49:21 GMT
Reply-To: ba.motss
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhiannon.sitka.sun.com


I am 32 and use 'Queer' all of the time.  THe word that I hate
is Lesbian - to me it sounds like a reptile.  Like the
elimination of the word faggot for men I am one Dike who
would like the elimination of Lesbian for woman (that 
should make a few people squirm).
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Explain the Queer Political Scene in BAY AREA to me
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:23:19 GMT

max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:

>This fact is well documented in the film "Can't Stop The Music."

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!!







:-)

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"We don't necessarily discriminate.  We simply exclude certain types of 
 people." --Lt Col. Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor at M.I.T.,on D.O.D. 1332.14
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Calling oneself "QUEER"
Keywords: gay queer language
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:54:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <4771@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> tlam@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>
>Who out there in netland calls themselves "queer"?
>Here in Santa Cruz it seems to be mostly lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals under thr
>the age of 25-30. While some older people (such as moi) also use it, many others

Hey, I *used* to be under the age of 25-30, but then I got on the
net and after a few years something happened ... hmmm ... :-) ...
Now I have to settle for being under various other things, oh well ...

>can't stand it. Many of those that do use it like it for its brevity, 
>inclusivititity, and forcefullness. "Queer" brings the power of an epithet 
>turned around. Those that dislike using queer often object to it because of it's
>epithetic past, and also general meaning of strange and different--which are 
>precisely the same reasons many of us love it. Any thoughts??

I seem to be responding to this question a lot in one forum or another
lately ...  I like "queer" because it's inclusive and in general gives
me a happy feeling, but basically I'll use whatever seems appropriate
to the situation.  If I'm posting to the net I may say something like
"get it at your local cool queer bookstore", but if I'm writing to a
politician, bank, etc. I'll be formal and spell out "lesbian, gay and
bisexual", maybe transgender too, etc.

-- 
 ____________________________________________________________________________
|  tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu  \        /__    Big glitter-slob weirdo bisexual   |
|   tachyon@ucscb.ucsc.edu  \    /   /  feminist vegan homeschooling parent  |
| tachyon@deeptht.armory.com  \/   /  science fiction computer bum i.n.p.o.  |
 -------------------------------\/-------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: FYI Marky Mark / Calvin Klein @ Macy's Union Sq. Sat
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:51:28 GMT

more noteworthy (if you give a stuff): they're supposed to put a
four-story tall poster of the, uh, performance artist (yes, in his
calvins) on the outside of macy's east ... for those size queens, note
that this would result in a penis at least a few yards long ...

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: "Chris Martin" <wk04331@psilink.com>
Subject: FYI Marky Mark / Calvin Klein @ Macy's Union Sq. Sat
Reply-To: chris.martin@amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 15:22:26 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

In light of all the recent discussion of Marky Mark in soc.motss, I 
thought I'd let anyone who is interested know that Marky Mark and
Calvin Klein will be at Macy's Union Square this Saturday at Noon.  
Wonder if he'll be in his Calvins ,)

	--Chris
Xref: sparky ba.motss:2037 soc.men:21240
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.men
Subject: Re: Calling oneself "QUEER"
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

>In article <4771@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> tlam@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>
>Who out there in netland calls themselves "queer"?

I don't use this word too much myself, but don't have objections when other
gays and lesbians use the term to refer to themselves or "us."  I've been 
on a few protest marches where one of the chants was "We're queer, we're
here, get used to it."  I feel this is a case of "taking back" a word that
others have used negatively and turning it into our own positive reference,
much like we "took back" the pink triangle from the Nazis and turned it
into a symbol of gay solidarity. 

Just my HO of course.  8-)

-Robin
******************************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist                   ____
California State University, Chico  Computing Services         \  /
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu                                   \/
                                                       Closets are for clothes
From: richw@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Rich Webber)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Tom of Finland -- playing anywhere?
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:15:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

Does anyone know if "Daddy and The Muscle Academy", the documentary of
Tom of Finland, is currently playing anywhere in the Bay Area?  I think
it was at the Castro in SF recently, but is it (or will it be) anywhere
else now or soon?

Thanks!

Rich
Newsgroups: ba.motss,ba.music
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Subject: Holiday Concert: Silicon Valley Gay Men's Chorus
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:02:15 GMT


Please join the chorus for a wonderful holiday concert.  You'll hear
the chorus, soloists, piano duets and solos, and handbells.  This is a
great way to get in the holiday spirit!

		
	The Silicon Valley Gay Men's Chorus presents


		   A Season for Lovers

	  Saturday, December 19, 1992 at 8:00PM

	Christ The Good Shepherd Lutheran Church
	      1550 Meridian, near Hamilton
	                San Jose

		Tickets: Adults $10.00
	      Children and seniors $7.00

-- 
Michael Bryan     michael@resonex.com
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: lylace@Ingres.COM (Lylace Blake)
Subject: Renters wanted for house in Washington, D.C.
Keywords: house rent Washington,D.C.
             Looking for a place in Washington, DC?
Reply-To: lylace@Ingres.COM (Lylace Blake)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:47:20 GMT

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From: weeks@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Greg Weeks)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:38:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Calling oneself "QUEER"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: ba.motss

I like "queer" mostly because of the gender-nonspecificity.

Then there are a couple of second-order issues that pretty much cancel
themselves out.  On the plus side, "queer" quite properly gets to the heart
of the issue.  I _am_ queer, unusual, different.  And, as Pee Wee Herman
pointed out, it's okay to be different.  [Isn't it staggering that the 
simplest moral principles are beyond the mental capacities of those who
make a point of calling themselves moral?]  On the minus side, I don't
believe that I'd be comfortable using "queer" if I were straight.
From: jbinder@igc.apc.org (James Binder)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: AIDS IN CUBA FORUM IN S.F.
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:01:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1324900003:000:764
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jbinder    Dec 15 21:01:00 1992


From: James Binder <jbinder>
Subject: AIDS IN CUBA FORUM IN S.F.

AIDS IN CUBA: A PERSONAL ACCOUNT

A public forum "AIDS in Cuba: A Personal Account" will be held on Saturday,
December 19, 7:30 p.m., at New College, 777 Valencia St., San Francisco.
Two HIV+ gay Cuban men, Raul Llanos and Dr. Juan Carlos de la Concepcion,
who live in the AIDS sanitorium in Havana will speak about their personal
experiences at the sanitorium, organizing AIDS education/prevention
programs throughout Havana, Cuba's AIDS policy and more. This is the first
time anyone from the sanitorium has visited the U.S. There will be time for
questions and dialogue. Sponsored by: The Latino Network, La Red, CURAS,
Queers for Cuba, Aguilas and GELAAM. For information call (415) 995-4678.
Xref: sparky ba.motss:2035 soc.men:21236
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.men
Subject: Re: Calling oneself "QUEER"
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:25:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: gay queer language

In article <4771@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> tlam@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>
>Who out there in netland calls themselves "queer"?
>Here in Santa Cruz it seems to be mostly lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals under thr
>the age of 25-30. While some older people (such as moi) also use it, many others
>can't stand it. Many of those that do use it like it for its brevity, 
>inclusivititity, and forcefullness. "Queer" brings the power of an epithet 
>turned around. Those that dislike using queer often object to it because of it's
>epithetic past, and also general meaning of strange and different--which are 
>precisely the same reasons many of us love it. Any thoughts??
>Tom Kwai Lam
>tlam@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us


I don't particularly like the term "queer" to refer to myself.  I'm 33.
However, I know that when we all started using "dyke", older women were
offended and didn't want to refer to themselves this way.  I guess it's
a matter of what one has internalized about the word.  I have passed 
through my "in your face" days, and am now bedazzled by my new career
in science, and the word queer brings up images of act up (not to cast
aspersions here) and queer nation, both of which seem to be "in your
face" types of movements.

Since I don't any longer do those things, I guess some part of me
doesn't want to be identified with a movement that does.  However, I
don't mind being included in the class of "queer".  It's just that
I don't use the word to refer to myself (or to others for that matter).

I guess I prefer "person" or "lesbian" if I need to make a distinction,
while even 6 or 7 years ago I used "dyke".  Age.  and Science.

Leslie

Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: bothner@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Per M. Bothner)
Subject: Sharing a house [advice and potential roomers sought]
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:31:04 GMT


I've been looking for a new place to live, with somewhat more space
and closer to work (near Shoreline Park in Mountain View).  I would
prefer to share a house, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be
many openings - and the few that exist are for places that are
already crammed full of other people's stuff ...

So, with trepidation, I'm thinking perhaps I need to take the
initiative myself in renting a house, and organizing people to
share it.  To people who have done this in the past:  Is this
a foolish thing to attempt?  How difficult is it to attract
good housemates?  Any advice people care to offer?

To people who might be interested:  I'm a 35-year old gay male
professional software nerd.  I'm looking for a house for 2-3
other simpatico, sympathetic, reasonably stable, and not overly
prudish people.  Compatible tastes in music would be a plus (mine
are eclectic, but I'm most fond of musicals and classics), as would
having too many other things to do to spend a lot of time
watching TV.  I'm looking for a place within a 15 minute bike
ride of Rengstorf (sp?) and 101.  I have too much furniture and junk for
a single room, and too little to fill a house or apartment.

Is this a sane thing to attempt?  Last time I tried to get a
roommate, I didn't quite get the roommate from hell, but I did
get his second cousin ...
From: michaelk@netcom.com (Michael Kronstadt)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: GLAS Contact... et. al.
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:27:52 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Abbott Critical Care Systems, Mountain View CA

I'm in somewhat of a similar boat.  Abbott Labs in general and our
(800 person) site in specific are trying to address diversity issues in
greater depth.  Our site has just started a diversity roundtable of about
a dozen employees--and as one of the few _out_ gay people here I'm one of
them.

I'd really appreciate information from people participating in more
established diversity efforts, and especially from people involved in
organizing G/L/B employee groups where there wasn't already a well
established "community."
-- 
Michael Kronstadt         michaelk@netcom.com                       __o
Abbott Critical Care Systems       ____    "Ride the bike,        _`\<,_
Mountain View, CA                  \  /      ride the bike,      (*)/ (*)
(my opinions, not Abbott's)         \/        ride the bike." -- Fausto Coppi
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