From: dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro)
Subject: Re: 3 Cheers for Colorado "Extremists"
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:02:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.211907.6572@nevada.edu> thumim@nevada.edu (Scrooge McDuck) writes:

>The languge used to write Amendment 2 was extremely biased.  My
>parents live in Colorado and they couldn't understand what the bill
>was actually proposing.  These are not stupid people.  If they
>couldn't understand it, then the authors purpose was clearly defined -
>to appeal to the stupid masses.

Well, I'll stipulate that the writer believes his parents "are not stupid
people" but that leaves a possibility he has not apparently considered.
His parents _could_ understand it and they merely told him they couldn't.
(maybe they don't want you to know their true feelings, Jon.) How did
_they_  vote?  (How do _you_ know?)

>>
>I agree that voters in a state have the right to choose their laws
>within the frame provided to the states under the constitution.
>However, Amendment 2 _is NOT_ a law.  It is an amendment to the
>Colorado Constitution.  Accordingly, homosexuals are denied a
>constitutional right under this amendment.

Now this paragraph contains a lot of confusing stuff (and I am not
a stupid people.)  "Amendment 2 is not a law!"  Hmmm.  Wonder
what that means..   And then I see that homosexuals are denied a
'constitutional right by this amendment' (to the constitution.)
Again, hmmm.


>>
>I am sure that you have never been discriminated against or sexually
>harrassed or been assaulted for doing your job.  It must be nice to

Well, here you are simply wrong.  In fact, I have been victimized
by discrimination in simply trying to _get_ a job.  (It wasn't
nice.)



>equally, then we wouldn't need laws that protect our rights.  But
>because of organizations like the Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK, we
>need those laws to protect us.  Otherwise, the "heterosexual, white
>majority" would have everyone who is not like them removed from
>society, ala Hitler and the Nazis.

Here again, you are not simply wrong, but apparently very bitter.  I am
a member of what you choose to label as 'hetero, white' and I certainly
would not have 'everyone who is not like them removed' from my society.

What a dull place if everyone were just alike!  Nope, I believe in
multi-whatever you call it (multiculturalism, etc.)  I even believe in
letting people like you (not stupid people) have your say, but you go too
far in your efforts to put down the 'hetero, white' segment of society!
I can't just sit here and read such crap without calling it that.

>>
>And what exactly are American society's FAMILIES, VALUES, MORALS and
>SCHOOLS?  Are they only made of the heterosexual white majority.  Go
>back to your little box of ignorance.

Hey, the writer you are criticizing does seem to be operating on
autopilot.  But you're hardly the one to call attention to _his_
little box of ignorance with the stuff you're pushing here.

>>
>For your information, Coloradoans, myself a native, despise Texan
>skiers who descend upon our slopes like the vultures that they are,
>thinking that they own the entire place, as they may have done a
>hundred years ago.  Stay in Texas, we don't want you or your money.
>To us, that sounds like you are giving charity.

Well, thank you for the "information" Jon, but I simply don't believe
you're speaking for the vast majority of Coloradoans, any more than
the writer you are here taking to task speaks for the majority of
'hetero, white' society.   You are obviously speaking from emotion, not
reason.

If all Texans stayed home/didn't spend money in Colorado, your
little state would not have nearly as many citizens as it does.  They
would probably have to leave to find work in some other state.  (Maybe
even Texas! Ooooh.)  Of course that would leave a lot of land and ski
lifts open to those Coloradoans whose livelihoods are not dependent on
the tourist trade.  (Like farmers, ranchers, and retired people?)
But, since farmers, ranchers and retirees likely are not "power users"
of ski lifts, all the lifts would close and resorts might be forced to
begin another "downsizing."

(Now if you had said, "we don't want you but we desperately NEED your
money, I could have agreed with you.)

Oh, and while you purport to speak for all Coloradoans, do you even
reside in Colorado?  No?   Jon, I might assume that what you're so
angry about was that (you feel) a majority of Coloradoans (in the
election) said they didn't want you?

>Peace.
>Jon

Jon, I usually take comments I read here with a large "grain of salt" but
your rebuttal, if you really call it that, to one individual's point of
view, was an attempt to smear me (hetero, white) as another "Hitler."
You are so sure I have never been victimized by discrimination, another
example of short-sightedness on your part, and you conclude by telling
me to stay away from Colorado.

Simply put, you're way off base.  You want to boycott  Colorado
because of their "intolerance" to gays, but you're certainly a
living breathing symbol of intolerance, right here "on our stage."

sorry, but that's the way I see it.

And your little closing with "Peace" continues to flaunt an "in your face"
attitude.  You're just not going to make it as a spokesman if success is
measured in how well you can help form favorable public opinion.

Chill out.  Use your reasoning abiities.  You're not stupid people, are you?

And if you're thinking about saying "how can I chill out while I'm being
assaulted by those awful gay-bashers?  I simply need the added protection
of anti-gay-bashing laws because the existing 'assault and battery' laws
don't work," forget it.

If the current laws don't work, what form of  rational logic makes
you think a "new" law will work?  What we need is a new class of
politician that makes fewer laws, but enforces them all, fairly.

What we don't need, in my opinion, is more of the same old
"pass 'em, kiss 'em, and forget 'em" laws....

A mild attempt to get you to look at this issue with less emotion, less
name-calling, and more reasoning.

David (even if I didn't make you think, I feel better about the whole thing)

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