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From: mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb)
Subject: Mercedes-Benz 500SL on MotorWeek
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:52:43 GMT

Greetings!

  Awhile back, when the 500SL was new, Motorweek (the PBS weekly car
program) had a review of it.  I don't believe that that show is
available from PBS on tape (they've only been doing that since
September or so), and I was wondering if anybody out there happened
to tape it?  I'd really like to get a copy of that show.

  On a similar note, they had a Mercedes-Benz special show this
week, which did a bunch of Benz history, and included a review of
the new $130,000+ 600SEC.  The SEC is an awesome-looking car.  Holy
toledo!  It's got the same engine as the 600SEL (a huge V-12), and
performance looked very impressive (0-60 in 6.2sec, and 60-0 in 109
feet for a 5,070 pound car!)  It's also loaded with spiffy gadgets,
of course.

  I'd be willing to trade a tape of this show for the 500SL show, if
anybody's interested.

Thanks!
--Mike
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: "kelly shinmoto" <kelly.shinmoto@canrem.com>
Subject: 90 crx wiring diagram
Reply-To: "kelly shinmoto" <kelly.shinmoto@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:06:32 EST

I recently bought a 1990 Honda CRX si.  I have an Alpine
alarm system from another vehicle that I want to put into
the CRX.  I am quite capable of doing the work myself,
however, the wiring harness going up into the steering
column has at least 5 billion wires in it :-).  I would like
to avoid probing into every wire with a voltmeter until I
find the wires I am looking for.  Does anyone know which
wires to tap into or where I can find a wiring diagram for
this car?

I need a 12 volt source switched by the ignition AND live
when the engine is being cranked (the second requirement is
the hard part).  Also, I need to know which wires go to the
light switch to activate the parking lights (12 volt into
the switch and switched wire for parking lights).  TTYL.

Kelly
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From: sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner)
Subject: Re: Car Covers - Need info
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:34:38 GMT

keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:


I have used car covers for a lot of years.  I have tried the
flannel, polycotton, and the evolution III styles.

Here in Florida the polycotton lasts for between 2 and 3 years.
The evo III lasts longer.  Forget the flannel unless it is strictly
used for a show car in storage.

The evo III has two benefits: it does repel water better than the
cotton and it prevents some (but not all) dents and dings.

It also has two drawbacks: If it gets wet, it is very heavy as it
acts like a sponge; it does not fold up as small as a cotton cover
so if storage is a problem, select the polycotton.

I have gone back to the polycotton versions due to these two
drawbacks. 

I have bought from Beverly Hills, Reliable, and J. C. Whitney.
The covers from Whitney are just as good as the others and they are
cheaper.


Steve Heffner
sheffner@encore.com
From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: BMW318I VS ACCORDEX V
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 

In an original message about a comparision between purchasing a BMW 318,
Honda Accord EX, and Infiniti G20,
->   ZZZZZ ZZZZZ  ZZ      ZZZZ    ZZZ  ZZZZZ ZZ   Z
-> ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ    ZZ ZZ   ZZ Z ZZZZZZ ZZ  Z
->    ZZ    ZZ   Z ZZ   ZZ  ZZ  ZZ  Z    ZZ  ZZ Z
->    ZZ    ZZ     Z   ZZ   ZZ ZZ   Z    Z   ZZZ
->    ZZ    ZZ    Z    ZZ   ZZ ZZ   Z   Z    ZZZ
->    Z     Z    ZZZ   ZZ  ZZ  ZZ  ZZ  ZZ    ZZZ
->   ZZ    ZZ      ZZ  ZZ  ZZ  ZZ  ZZ ZZ     ZZZ
->   ZZ    ZZ      ZZ  ZZ ZZ   ZZ ZZ ZZ     Z  Z
->   ZZ    ZZ      Z   ZZ Z    ZZ Z  ZZZZZZZZ  ZZ
->   ZZ    ZZ  Z  Z     ZZ      ZZ   ZZZZZ Z   ZZ
->             ZZZZ                       Z
writes:

-> my opinion on this: BMW318i > AccordEX
->   AcuraGS-R > InfinitiG20
->
->   GS-R is slight better than 318i.

 Definetly.  The Bimmer anyday.  But for a slightly higher stock
performance, choose the Integra GS-R.  Of course, you can easily soup up
the 318i with stuff from Schnitzer, Racing Dynamics, or Dinan.  No
souping up the engines of the Accord or G20, except for maybe an exhaust
and air filter.


Erich.
                                                                              
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why is US engine technology so retrograde?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:18:24 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan12.093339.4524@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>i don't think the germans have the biggest V-8's in passenger cars.
>audi: 4.2 liter, up from 3.6
>BMW: 4.0 liter (i think there is also a 3.0 liter)
>mercedes: 5.0 liter, 4.2 liter

   6.9 liter.   Used to be 6.3 liter.   

>VW: none
>
   Opel....you've heard of them?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: rocks from overpass (was Re: Acura Integra Bodywork. Costs)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:25:21 GMT

In article <2443@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>[]
>
>	"some little kid who had nothing better to do and dropped a 10
>	pound rock or something off an overpass and hit my hood as I
>	was on the freeway. the rock hit my hood, dented it, scratched
>	off a lot of paint then hit my fender."
>
>We had a rash of such incidents here in the Portland Oregon area.  If
>your rock had dropped a split second later, it might have gone through
>your windshield.  We've had people sent to the hospital with destroyed
>faces.
>
several months ago there was a man who died from such an incident - they 
found the kids who did it - they were tried & convicted of involuntary 
manslaughter, I believe

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From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 18:26:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <1993Jan6.185357.28923@oakhill.sps.mot.com> rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>>>
>>  ain't an Accord either.
>
>Thank goodness it's not another Accord.  What an overpriced, overhyped
>car.  A car in that price class should have more power, and a better
>suspension (too soft in my book).  Looks boring to boot.  The LH and
>Taurus are better examples of decent cars.
>
>As for engine noise, I prefer the aggressive growl of my 92 SC over
>the whine out of a Honda engine.
>
Perfect customer for an American auto, especially circa 1970.
Some of us aren't counting horsepower, looks or the "growl" of
the engine as highly as you. If so, we would all buy Corvettes
or similar. Some of us are looking for reliability, safety,
good MPG, low maintenance costs. I have a Honda Civic that
I am very happy with. In 2.5 years, if has never failed to
start (even a single attempt!), or needed any repairs of
any kind. It gets close to 40 mpg. I wouldn't trade it for yours.

Brian
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tires of the Integra
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:01:44 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

My '87 came with MXVs which I thought were pretty good until I replaced
them with A509s which were _much_ better.  My current set are standard
Goodyear Eagle GTs which suck compared to the 509s (I don't know about
compared to the MXVs, though).
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:29:37 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan6.062427.22487@informix.com> aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic) writes:
>
>Exactly how many Saturns have you driven?  Models with both engines, covering
>all 3 years?  If not, cut your own "racket".  I'd almost agree with noise 
>complaints about the '91 and early '92 DOHC engines, but not anymore.
>
    2 too many.  I guess some people just have a lower threshhold of
    annoyance when it comes to noisy engines.  
>
>"Rabid pro-American auto press"???  What press are you reading?  
>
    Pretty much all of them.  And they all pretty much would really
    LIKE to like the Saturn a bit more, but most admit that for all
    the hoopla, it is really about as exciting as a Colts-Giants
    superbowl.

>
>THAT's for sure.  We had 3 Accords in my family a year ago; they're being
>quickly replaced, two by Saturns.
>
    I'm happy for you.  

>If you don't like the Saturns, fine, but many drivers who appear to have done 
>far more exhaustive comparisons than you prefer the Saturns.  
    
    A LOT of people bought Pinto's too....and Chrysler K-cars.  
    And since you are taking cheap shots at my "comparisons", I'll
    just make a return shot that if you like cheap little buzzy
    cars of mediocre quality (which obviously you do) and buy a car
    by the nameplate rather than quality (which also obviously you
    do) then your standards are lower than mine.  After all SOME
    people have been known to buy Yugos.  

    Not for me, thanks.  And call me back when the Saturn lives up
    to all the hoopla and produces a real world-killer instead of
    resorting to jingoistic hype.  

>If rumors 
>about the 1994 models are true, I'll end up owning one myself in a year or
>two.  Meanwhile, I'm glad my mom got out of her deathtrap Accord into an SL1,
>so I don't have to work on the damn Accord every few months anymore.
>
     Hmmmmm, after the FIRST repair, I usually blame the repairman
     for the second one....but then I don't personally care for
     Accords either.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Red Line MTL
Keywords: Red Line
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:50:29 GMT

In article <C0G23A.Gyx@encore.com> sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner) writes:
>jayc@hubcap.clemson.edu (Jay Crawford) writes:
>
>>I'd like to change the gear box oil in my Saab 900 to something that will 
>>make it shift a bit smoother and hopefully reduce wear-and-tear.  I have
>>heard Red Line MTL is a good product.  Does anyone have any good/bad    
>>experiences with Red Line they can share with me? Also, where's a good place to mail order it?  Thanks.
>
>>-- 
>>Jay Crawford          
>>jayc@hubcap.clemson.edu
>
>At about 60,000 miles, I installed Redline MTL in my 740 Turbo Volvo
>gearbox.  This is a gearbox that had been balky since it was new.  The
>Volvo factory rep said that mine was worse than some but better than
>others.
>
>I was quite happy with the improvement.  The initial shifting into
>first was improved a little.  The shifts into each other gear
>were much better; that is to say they were easier to engage and
>smoother.  Something that did occur which surprised me was that
>the gearbox generated much less noise.
>
>I would recommend the product but don't expect miracles.  THe tech
>at Redline told me that it was "like rebuilding the gearbox".  I
>have rebuilt gearboxes and can state that adding this lubricant is
>NOT like a proper rebuild.
>
>I ordered it directly from Redline in California. (800) 529-8609
>
>Steve Heffner
>sheffner@encore.com

       I haven't tried MTL, but BG products puts outwhat they call
    extreme pressure concentrate. It worksvery well.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: My fog lights keep dying!
Reply-To: silver@bokonon.UUCP
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:33:04 GMT

   A little over a year ago, I installed Bosch fog lights on my
car.  After a week, one of them burned out; I replaced it.  After
another week or so, the fuse blew.  Further investigation showed
that the replaced bulb's resistance had become zero.

   At this point, I checked all wiring and could find no short
circuits or flaky wires.  I replaced the bulb and fuse and the
lights worked without problems for about a year.

   Recently, the other light burned out.  I replaced it.  Within
a week, it burned out again, and took the fuse with it.  I
replaced both.  Within ten minutes, both bulbs' resistance
went to zero, blowing the fuse yet again.

   I just spent an hour checking resistances between every pair
of points I can think of, and everything still checks out fine.
There's plenty of electrical tape wrapped around all exposed
live metal inside each fog light enclosure.  I can't figure
out any reason why I would have so many problems.  The first
two times I can put down to coincidence, given that things
settled down and everything operated normally for a year.
But this is just too much to be coincidence.

   I have two questions ...

1.  I know why bulbs would burn out and become an open circuit.
    I have never before seen a bulb that went the other way and
    became closed.  What could cause this?

2.  How do I find and fix whatever is wrong?

(Oh, and a third one - why me?  :-)

   I'd appreciate replies by email if possible; this site tends to be
a little short on disk space, and news articles don't always hang around
long enough for me to see 'em.
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From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:18:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <issa.726506622@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>In rec.autos you write:
>
>I don't believe the per cent is quite that high either (higher than
>Lee might think thou.) But I really read this in some major survey.
>I think it was something like 99.x%. Honest. I don't know what type

I'm sure we'd all like to see you produce this "survey".

>of people they questioned. Yea, one can't believe everything they
>read, but again if you think about it, it could be true.
>
>Ronnie and the K-cars story is funny. I know about the Fed. loans to
>Chrysler in the early 80's. This could explain it.   :)

More B.S.  The federal government never loaned Chrysler (or Lockheed) a dime.

>>    Or lots of them also like nice big, fast, luxury cars...also
>>    reliable.  Like the Lexi, Infinities, Acuri, etc.    
>
>Smaller in comparison to American cars. The Lexi, Infinities, Acuri, etc. 
>are mid-size luxury cars. This is according to C/R. Still a hell of cars.
>(esp. the Lexi and Infinities.)

I wonder what issue(s) of CR you are talking about.  Did they actually consider
the Integra, ES250, etc. to be "mid-sized luxury cars"??

>Not to take anything away from the STS or the Mark VIII, they are wonderful
>cars. But according to C/D (2/93), the Lexus SC400 beat the shit out of the 
>STS and the Mark VIII. (the STS & Mark VIII beat the Legend (by one point) 

how meaningful is it to compare sedans against a sport coupe, though?

>The big three can't be charged with dumping, can they? 

Sure they can (defining "dumping" as "selling below cost").  That's what made
the December Taurus incentives a little dicey -- Ford had to be careful to
price them so that they still made money.

>Issa

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 of our species that we are continually wondering what is going on."
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Lotus Elan in 'Basic Instinct'
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:46:53 GMT

In article <1it3uqINNduf@shelley.u.washington.edu> tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
>why did lotus elan fail? it's because the movie 'basic instinct'
>			 didn't do well! :)

Except, the two Lotuses in "Basic Instinct" were Esprits, not Elan.

>	just kidding, i loved that movie. by the way, did they
>	actually trashed/crashed that black lotus in the movie,
>	or was it just camera trick/illusion? latter one is more
>	possible?

Sorry, but I am pretty sure that they killed an Esprit for the movie.  There
was definitely an upside down car with severe damage to the nose in the 
close-up shots.  The damage is correct for an Esprit coming down on its
nose like that.

As far as the death of the Elan goes, I believe the chief reason is timing.
If Lotus had the car ready two years earlier, I believe it would have done
well.  At that point, some people were buying Miatas for $40K and there was
no recession.

Also, when comparing the current cars to other cars on the market, remember
that buying a Lotus is not like buying a Chevy or a Mazda or whatever.  This
year, Lotus will be happy to sell 100 cars in the U.S.  There are that many
RX7s or Vettes sold in a day or so.  Lotuses are handmade and individually
tested.  You really cannot compare Lotuses with Chevys or Mazdas.  Comparison
with Ferrari is more appropriate.

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From: powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell)
Subject: 914 FOR SALE!
Organization: Racal Datacom, Inc., Boxborough, MA (1-800-LAN-TALK)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:50:07 GMT



FOR SALE: 74 Porsche 914 1.8, 45,000 miles, Bilsteins, adjustable
auto-x springs, lowered, HD torsion bars, many spares and tune-up
parts, etc. Includes complete 73 914 2.0 parts car, no collision
damage to parts car, just some 914 body sag.

All for $3,000.

Please call Jim Vann at 1-508-486-8755, Boston MA area

PLEASE DO NOT CALL THE POSTER OF THIS ADVERTISMENT!

Thanks,

-glen

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From: damong@coal.WPI.EDU (Damon F. Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Anyone Have Any Jeep Advice ?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:55:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: coal.wpi.edu

	Well, here it is... new car time again... I'm considering getting
a Jeep (somewhere in the 70-early80's timeframe.   Probably an inline-6.
I'll be using it mostly on road, so a 4cyl. proabbly would be fine, and
I wouldn't complain at the better mileage, but would a 4cyl hold its own
off road ?    

	Also, is there anything that I should be especially aware of 
while looking ?  Are there areas that are more prone to rust/rot ?
Also, on the later models, with roll bars extending on top of the doors,
is it possible to fold down the windshield (or remove these bars) ?

Any advice greatly apreciated !

Thanks,
Damon

damong@wpi.wpi.wpi

And for the record, I'm NOT selling my '74 X1/9 !
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SAAB (900) mailing list?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:37:02 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb) writes:
>Does anyone know if there is a SAAB (preferably 900 series) mailing
>list, and how to subscribe?  

Send email to saab@network.mhs.compuserve.com asking to be added.
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From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:39:24 GMT

cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson) writes:

>>Misc Saturn vs. Honda stuff deleted . . .


>> A one or two year life time *proves* nothing.  Wait until they've been around
>> for 10 years like the Accord, and we'll see what they prove.

>It proves that they are at least on the right track. I'm not going to drop  
>names, but there are many cars that have had problems from the moment they
>hit the showroom floor. 
>> 
>> |> But I like my Saturn (SL2) because it's *fun to drive* - handling,  
>> |> acceleration, braking, steering feel, lateral seat support all combine
>> |> to make the Saturn infintely more exciting that the "please everyone"
>> |> Accord and Civic "blandmobiles".
>> 
>> I don't know about the SL2, but the 2 door model is pathetic when it comes
>> to handling, acceleration, braking and steering feel.  Up here it Canada they
>> sell for $15,000 + options, which is the same price as an Eagle Talon, Isuzu
>> Impulse, Acura Integra and MX-3, all which easily out handle and perform it - 
>> no contest (check ANY magazine and drive them).

>Bzzt. Thanks for playing pocket-rocket trivia. We have some lovely parting
>gifts for you . . .

>Pathetic handling acceleration and braking ? Are you kidding ?  I'll give you
>the fact that the Talon (in turbo awd form) would make an SC look silly, but
>at least down here it's a few more $1000's for one. As for the Integra,
>I regularly "rat race" a friend with a '90 RS and I have *no* trouble
>out accelerating, out braking and *way* out handling him. The MX-3 ?
>Sorry, it can't even break into the 8's in 0-60 (R&T 9.3 sec), compared to the

The V-6 MX-3 does 0-60 in about 7.0 seconds flat. This will blow the
doors off the SC's 8.6.  

>SC's 8.6.  And the Impulse ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You think the Saturn has
>a noisy engine ? 

>Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
>cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

Issa

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