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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:04:53 -0500
From:         "Pat Gathright" <patg@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Good evening to you all
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> On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:06:59 -0500 Doris Smith said:
> >(1) At 12:00 noon one ceases saying "Good morning" and begins saying "Good
> >    afternoon." When does one cease saying "Good afternoon" and begin saying
> >   "Good evening"?
> >
>      At precisely 5:37p.m. local standard/daylight time.
>
> dan in the land of baked potatoes

Dan, Why 5:37 p.m.? I always wait until it is dark outside to say "good
evening."  Mothers learns that when they tells their kids it is time to
come inside for the evening and they say "but Mom, it's not dark yet!"
--pat
From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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Date: 18 Aug 92 01:38:46 GMT
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> From: Bayla Singer
>
> "So, long, it's been good to know you..."

> have I been singing double entendres all my life? (I
> *know* I wans't singing the proper tunes :-)]

Oh, Bayla, that's funny. Have you been corresponding with ggs (or even
possibly Graham)?
Doris
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:05:33 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Aren't we discussing politics?

>I didn't know you're a law student. That explains everything.
>
>-abh

Please explain.

-Mka
From: maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor)
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Subject: Re: Next Year's Event
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:42:56 GMT
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> NOT to defend your bookstore...but it IS entirely possible that they
> ordered last March or April and the publisher is the one that is
> screwed up...it happens....a LOT....ask any acquisitions librarian....   8-)

Maybe.  But not likely, considering our bookstore's record of repeated
screwups.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 14:57:00 EDT
From:         "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Taking a deep breath..
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Getting haircuts can be dangerous, I hope you are not like Sansom.
Rita without power would just wreck my day and week.


later

alec
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: grandchildren
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:56:40 GMT

Quite all right, Nancy: grandchildren to play with are the only thing I can
think of that would drag me away from words-l, even at the end of a long
day.

--bayla
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:42:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Net silence

Looks like everyone's watching the roll call--or they actually
have lives.   (Except you, Rita, of course.)

-Mka
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:27:24 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Geekefaction

>Better go - Mr. PotatoeHead is about to put his foot in it...er... make
>his speech...
>Agnes


Here he is . . .

-Mka

Oh shit--a film--Dan was his father's "first born son."  Rings a
bell.
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Date: 14 Aug 92 18:11:23 GMT
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              13 Aug 1992 19:21:37 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:21:37 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>Just the usual.  When I went to check on fall books this morning, I found
>an empty shelf for Intro to Linguistics, with a card saying "out of stock --
>shipment expected around Sept. 25."  Isn't that neat.  Classes start
>August 17.  And the book orders were turned in last MARCH.

NOT to defend your bookstore...but it IS entirely possible that they
ordered last March or April and the publisher is the one that is
screwed up...it happens....a LOT....ask any acquisitions librarian....   8-)

dan
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:14:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      O.2% Solution

>>O.2% of the list probably means just you, though I haven't
>>checked the size of the list recently.
>
>*O*.2????  Where were you brought up?
>
>0.2% of the list probably meant me actually.  I doubt she was counting herself.
>
>G

Why Graham, Honey, I didn't know you read everything I write so
closely.  I'm touched.  It looks like you care.  I'm overcome
with emotion.

As for where I was brought up, if you really loved me would it
matter?

-Mka
Le Pig *always* counts herself--and she does it in base one.
Explains a lot, don't it?
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:25:37 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Mad Max
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Has anyone seen an undubbed version of 'Mad Max'?  I haven't
seen all of them--were they *all* dubbed??

Karen
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: gonadological oppression 
Distribution: world
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:20:36 +0000


In article <Bt7psn.9vw@well.sf.ca.us> jthomas@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>Karen writes:
>>Good question, Jim.  Why do schools prefer to hire native speakers
>>of foreign languages?  It's same thing, really.  Like I said,
>>WMSTD-L hashed this out all last year.
>
>Karen, if memory serves, we did go through something like this about
>a year ago. (Or, perhaps it was on another list where a few words-l types
>hung out).

I didn't realise your read ... - oh, not _that_ list then...
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:07:00 EST
From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: How to breed a Cubs fan
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>As a child, the only major sporting events my family ever attended
>were Cubs games (actually, it was my mother, my two sisters and me -
>Dad wasn't really interested in sports much).  Mom used to drive us
>to Chicago (from South Bend, Indiana), wrestle with the parking
>problem, and get us there in time for batting practice.  I remember
>Mom and my older sister teaching me and my younger sister how to
>score the game, and the three of us girls sat there and all scored it
>- a bit of overkill, I admit.  I don't ever remember *not* being a
>Cubs fan.  We usually sat in the left-field bleachers, or in the
>grandstands by third base.

>Jill
>   (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)

	Strange...

	I see this thread everywhere I turn.  I can't tell WORDS-L from
	STATLG-L anymore.

	Why are we taking up all this precious bandwidth with paeans to, of
	all teams, the Cubs?  I mean, they can't even manage to be good at
	breaking your heart (the Red Sox have that one locked up), much less to
	be just plain good.
;^)
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:43:00 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK%IUBACS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Anybody Out There?

Hey--is the net down--no posts in for about forty minutes?
Or is everyone out there watching Ronnie?

-Mka
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:42:17 CDT
From:         Absolut Bandwidth <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The D-words
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>It took me years to recover my ability to write after writing what a

Yeah, but it came back with a *vengenance*.

-abh
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:19:51 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anne Diffily's address?
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On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:37:21 EDT Karen Kay said:
>Can someone (Frank?) look up Anne Diffily's address so those
>of us who have been overcome by surrogate aunthood or unclehood
>can send baby presents?
>

5 Hidden Street
Providence   RI
02906
From: rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU (Rashmi Murthy)
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Subject: Re: EMERGENCY
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:12:02 GMT
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              at Aug 20, 92 6:32 am

>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
> P.S. If the message expressing worry about his whereabouts was a joke
> of some kind, it wasn't a funny one.  Rashmi's response leads me to
> believe that it probably wasn't a joke.
>

No, I don't think the message was a joke.  Like I said, I've been
expecting a call from Tushar all week.  It occurred to me later that
Judith may have a phone number to contact Tushar and Patrick in NY.
When I met Tushar, (almost two weeks ago), he said that he'd call her
from NY, and finalize plans to visit Providence.

The answer to your other question about when he's supposed to be back
in Chicago for Univ. purposes : not for a while.  Apparently, they
have a quarter system, and school doesn't start for another two weeks
atleast.

Maybe they just drove back to Chicago without stopping here.

rashmi
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:58:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      WHTMIQR3
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What Happened To Me In Quintana Roo 3
---------------------------------------------
14) tc decides that, because she hates the sun, doesn't care
much for the beach, doesn't like to swim, the nice nice room is
the place to stay with her two novels by someone new about being
Chinese....  So ggs goes out to explore and finds to his dismay
that the Palace, lovely as it is, is a bit isolated from <where the
action is>, like, five miles away from the center of fun activity
on the strand, and so there is *nothing* to do but take the sun,
walk on the beach, swim (all of which do *not* appeal *much* to
tc but *do* appeal to ggs) so he gets a bit depressed and finds
that tc is equally depressed and both are engaging in a little
soul seaching scene like: What the shit is <one> doing in Cancun
when <one> could be home driving his toy or home pouting about
someone driving his toy?  Very unpleasant evening with finally
the welcome relief of some nappy poo.
15) Saturday morning, tc has the good sense to suggest that we
just get on the city bus and go see the action, which we do and
find a nice breakfast restaurant next to the market in the middle
Old Cancun City (which is, in fact, not very old, considering the
fact that Cancun was *invented* by the Chamber of Commerce only
about twenty years ago as the "ideal vacation spot")....  It is,
however, very much Mexico and very interesting and ggs feels very
much at home and immediately loves it, as does his tc, who finds
lots of places to shop, including an airconditioned grocery store
that reminds <one> of KMart and is *cool*....  Both participants
beginning to feel the onset of heatstroke because they have ventured
more than 20 metros from the water....
16)  Return to hotel agreeing that getting out of the isolated hotel
was a good idea and that they feel better.  ggs notices the sign in
the bus over the driver's seat and remembers that *that* is what the
wordslers will want to hear about:
  Pida su boleto y destruyalo al bajar.
  Ask for Your Ticket and Destroy While You Live.
ggs thinks that *that* makes the trip worthwhile no matter what else
happens. While you live indeed, it wont be long if you dont find
water soon....
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--ggs (more directly if the system lives...)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:48:14 PDT
From:         s mandell <pwiebe@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Comments on this phrase
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Thanks Ausbrook for the new word in my vocabulary.  I'll never forget it
because an unknown bit of melted chocolate that was on my face leapt
onto my thumb, and onto the page in my dictionary.

S
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gender
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:00:25 GMT


Entropy Warrior quotes half a posting -- and thanks me for support.  I
would like to warn him, however, that I *disagree* with other stuff he
said, and the other half of my posting conveyed that.

I do try to be fair.

However, as far as "symbols are empty -- you can fill them with anything"
is concerned, that's not entirely accurate.  (I haven't yet come to the
first post on that one, I'm reading double quotes here), without context)
Symbols are 'empty' only until filled "thei first time."  Then, in order to
*change* the meaning, you have to expend considerable  effort.  The effot
tis political: its a negotiation among/between groups as to which shall
have the power to fill the symbol.  Until a change is made, however, the
<established meaning> *IS* <embedded in the language>, just as a law once
made can be changed by politcal/legislative action, but until it is, it IS
the Law of the Land.  *Not* an 'empty' situation waiting for someone to
'fill' it.  


--bayla
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:06:26 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List Wars, The Saga
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>Jenna's right. It's tacky, very tacky, to repost private e-mail
>without the author's permission (or knowledge). It marks the poster

I *will not* make the <obvious> comment that springs to mind regarding secret
lists...

>have the standard contract with Lexis that most schools do, publicly
>announcing that you'll use it for non law-school related purposes is

That's Jim, always trying to keep the kids out of trouble. If the Justice
Department read this list I bet they wouldn't be in such trouble now either.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:51:48 GMT
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 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Bimbo

*** Resending note of 08/19/92 12:42

>I hope illiterative was deliberate.

>JAG

This keyboard is so old I could not tell an "a" from an "i"!

Don, triple disaster....geek, nerd, and now bimbo
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:55:27 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Modems excite me...
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> This modem has a speaker so I can hear the entire connection, including
> beeping. I love it!

Ooooh, yes -- the beeping at connection turns me on in a BIG way!

> Hmmm...it doesn't surprise me that my connection is slow, because it
> goes through a comatose LAN.  But that isn't to say I think a hard-
> wired connection is slow by itself.

I think there's either something screwy about my particular building or
the slowness has been a coincidence -- like I happen to be on when Ra is
overloaded and sluggish.

> It doesn't even begin to dial--that's what I can't figure out.
> It began to dial a couple of times last night, but never connected.

And the settings in the dial directory are the same as the ones when you're
not in the dial directory?  The dial directory knows the right com port etc?

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who was going to write a paper today but spent so much time
     reorganizing her desk to make it more conducive to serious work
     that the day went away...
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Why I Couldn't Find the RAM!
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 07:25:44 GMT
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N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) writes:
> I thought a computer geek was a guy who could only count to
> twenty one and that only with his pants down.

You wouldn't happen to be assuming that all computer geeks are
of one sex, would you?  Or are "guy" and "his", as used above,
inclusive terms?

--karsten

just tying threads together...
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:43:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Gender
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> things are not marked for sex generally.  There is nothing
> grammatically wrong with "she" in connection with a ship, though.
> The question of grammatical gender, it seems to my tiny mind, is
> one of correctness, not of what does or does not make sense.  If

Of course.  I wasn't suggesting otherwise.

> 1) Who is responsible, do you know, for the adoption of 'gender'
> to describe the differences in grammatical forms?  I don't.  I'll
> have a go at LEXIS to see.

I think that's where this discussion started.  I said I knew little
about the history of gender, including the history of the label and
the resulting confusion of natural and grammatical gender.  It's something
I've always hoped to find out more about.

> Grammatical gender has to do with the form of the word and also
> other grammatical consequences in the production of correct
> sentences.  Sex has to do with the referents of the lexical items
> themselves, with distinctions that we make about the world we
> attempt to describe.

I agree.  But isn't the choice of "she" to go with "woman" a "grammatical
consequence in the production of a correct sentence"?  Just as I might
reveal myself as a non-fluent speaker of French by saying "La femme est
heureux," so might someone reveal him/herself as a non-fluent speaker of
English by saying, "The man bought itself a car."

> >I don't think languages like French and Spanish are good examples of
> >grammatical gender, btw, since natural gender is also involved.
>
> There as good as any other.  They are, in fact, wonderful
> examples *because* of the confusion that doesn't exist in
> English.

I'm not sure what confusion you're talking about.  My point was that
only the nouns that are neuter in English are good examples of
grammatical gender in French and Spanish.  Words that are masculine
or feminine in English also take natural gender in French and Spanish.
(Obviously I'm talking about Modern English here.)

> a different form.  In which case, no, there's no accusative case
> in English.  There is the genitive case's occasional appearance.

I realized after I sent my earlier posting that I should have limited
the question to cases like nominative and accusative since obviously
English nouns indicate genitive case.

> I really don't think that there is any good alternative to
> insisting that a different case cannot exist without a different
> form.  But I'm muddling through this life like everyone else.

I wasn't trying to make a case for it, btw.  I was just interested in
reactions to the thought.  After all, if accusative case still existed
in English nouns, even though the inflectional markings of it are gone,
presumably grammatical gender would still exist also.

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who should NOT be online again...
     and who really thinks that porpoises know much more about language
     than we do...
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:01:04 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Looking out
              14 Aug 1992 08:52:44 EDT from <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:52:44 EDT <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU> said:
>Here's a usage that I've been wondering about:
>
>    >I could look it out for you.
>
>I've encountered it in two distinct senses:
>
>   1) I could look it up for you.  [consult something -- files, a
>                                   dictionary -- to find an answer
>                                   or satisfy an info request}
>
>   2) I could look around and see   [e.g., go to shops where I live
>      what's available.              that you don't have in your area]
>
>
>      Does this usage come naturally to anyone on the list?
>      I think Tony and Graham will say yes.
>                                             --brad

I would use (2) only.  To look something out is to
rummage around and find it.  I think, e.g. of looking out
an umbrella for a guest who has been caught at my house when
unexpected rain appears.  It would never mean (1) to me.

Tony H.
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Self-correcting (why not try proofing?)
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:17:21 GMT


In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>> With Seniors, you have to deal with the Senior 'tude as well the
>> "I already know everything" mindset that doesn't go away for a semester or
>> two.
>
>As well as the "I'll take a zero" habit so many of them get into.  Even
>with some of the Honors/AP bunch that habit is apparent.

I took a stack of AP/Honors courses, but never got into that one.  Dating a
charecter from a Beetle Bailey comic strip just never appealed to me.:-)


-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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