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From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:48:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
>
>>Keith E Gatling writes:
>>
>>>  My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
>>>  we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with
>>>  that one aside from the occasional "What an unusual name," or "But she won't
>>>  be able to get license plates off the rack in the store like other kids," or
>>>  "She'll spend her whole life correcting people when they call her
>>>  'Debbie'."  None of these bother me, since my sister's name is Jael, and
>>>  she's dealt with having to correct people for the past 34 years just fine.
>>
> [text deleted]                                                        s
>
>Oh yeh, one advantage of a somewhat unusual name is that it's such a
>thrill to meet someone else who has it.
>
>Marcy
>
>--
>
>Marcy Thompson
>  SoftQuad (West)
>    marcy@sq.com
 
I absolutely agree!  And kids really will tease about things you
won't think of ahead of time, anyway.  I grew up the only Tamara
and despite (almost) everyone mispronouncing it, and misspelling
it, I still think it is a great name.  And to top it, my middle
name is Lin (my mother is Linda).  No, we're not Chinese.  But I
have been asked.  I always hated "Tammy" and to this day I have to
correct people who are introduced to me and immediately say "Nice
to meet you, TAMMY."  (my peeve -- very poor manners, IMHO, to
do such a thing)
 
My husband, Ferrell (his mother's maiden name), has the same challenge
of pronunciation and spelling.  We usually leave the name "Chuck"
at restaurants.  Besides, no one ever spells Shaffer "right". :)
 
But all in all we *like* our names.  I wouldn't want another name.
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (Lin) - 16 mos.
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:09:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

Where I live, San Francisco peninsula, daycare costs are astronomical.
My current daycare costs us $585/month, but that's cheap because Kiri is 
now in the toddler daycare.  Infant daycare cost us $715/month.

Other daycares in this area charge closer to $1000/month for infant care.
Some of them provide diapers (we had to provide diapers and food for Kiri
when she was in infant care, and diapers/lunch for toddler care), but for
the higher prices I'd rather bring in my own diapers. :)

These are all large daycare centers as opposed to in-home daycares (my
preference was for a center rather than one person's home).  In-home care
will be lower but still around $500-600/month.  

Be glad your area is more reasonable than that!!!
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sleeping concerns
Date: 10 Sep 1992 10:04:53 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

[this bounnced, so I am posting it]

My son is 2.5.  Last week he started waking up crying in the night, and
I let him come into bed with me after a couple of nights, and a couple
of wakings each night.  Then, I realized that this was NOT something
*I* wanted to start, so the next night, he and I went and lay down
together elsewhere.  This mad him very unhappy, as he told me no, he
wanted to be in our bed.  So I let him lie on the floor, mad and all,
and then he came and cuddled with me.  

Well, the next day I got him a nightlight (Oh no! I thought, I am
giving him a dependeancy!), and it seemed to do the trick.  I had
noticed that what was happening was that he was crying out in his sleep
and that must've been waking him up, and with it being dark, he got
scared.  He still crys out, but he doesn't really wake up crying anymore.

Whatever you do, do it for the right reasons.  If you don't mind
sharing your bed for possibly the next 10 years, then don't stop her
from coming into bed with you because everyone else says something
negative.  I would think that the feeling it would give yopu daughter
would be a great one, but in my opinion, not a necessary one (read: if
you stop this, nothing bad will happen).


Good luck,
-Shirl
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From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Family Bed
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:45:55 GMT

In article <BuD6zB.JIG@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:

>Betsy, who thinks two starfishes in her Queen bed is quite enough,
>and would buy a King if she had it all to do over.

Wouldn't we all!  We bought our queen size bedroom set just 5 days
before our first daughter was born.  Unfortunately, a king size version
of the set would not have fit anyway (the queen just barely fits).

Michele
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From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: NutraSweet (Was: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy)
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:32:32 GMT

In article <TIGGER.92Sep11221935@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>In article <14737@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula) writes:
>
>
>   On the other hand, there are all those babies that end up with heart- 
>   breaking defects just due to chance and the vagaries of development. 
>   It's not fair to those parents to look for causes. 
>
>There are babies born with various defects and problems whose moms
>were very careful during pregnancy. It's just that growing a baby from
>2 cells is a very complex process and many tiny and not so tiny things
>can go wrong. This doesn't mean that it's inappropriate to be
>conservative and take the best care of yourself while pregnant. But
>only *some* birth defects are the result of anything the mother did or
>didn't do, the rest are just the way the cells grew.

Very true.  By watching nutrition during pregnancy, a mother gives her
baby the best possible start.  If the baby happens to have a birth
defect, doesn't he need a good start all the more?

Michele
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girl is growing up fast
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:18:34 GMT
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

My wife had her first period at 9; we expect at least one of our two
daughters to do likewise.  Your friend is probably right, though, that
you should take your daughter to a doctor, if only to assure *her*
that everything is proceeding normally.
--
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From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Trick-or-treating; what age?
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:12:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
>
>I took Kurt trick-or-treating last year when he was 2 days shy of
>one-year-old.  Helooked adorable in a lion costume I'd got for
>very cheap from Sears catalog the previous spring.  I drew on
>whiskers.
>
>We only went to a few houses, those of neighbors we were friends
>with.  Kurt did not understand what was going on, but enjoyed
>being out and looking at the Halloween decorations.  And I enjoyed
>all the people coo-ing over how cute he was!
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:)  I agree.
 
>--
>Diane Pedersen
>AT&T Bell Laboratories
>Naperville, Illinois
>att!ihlpe!elonich
>
 
Last Halloween Melissa was (1 day shy of) 7 months and I dressed her
for giving out treats to the neighborhood children.  She loves
other kids so she thought it was fun and they all seemed to enjoy
her too!  We also took her to a carnival at her day care and
she enjoyed the noise, excitement, and of course, other kids.  This
year she will be (almost) 19 months and I'm sure we'll do the same.
Depending on her mood, we may visit some neighbors for goodies for
her as well.  I can't decide what she should be this year...  (I
think any kind of hat or hood is a no-no -- she'll yank it off.)
Keep up the suggestions!!!!  (I'd love to make her costume.)
TAMARA
 
ps:  Last year she was a lavender Unicorn.  (She won 1st prize for
her age group!! :))  I bought a little lavender sweatsuit and
found matching fleece at the fabric store, gold braid, pink ribbon
and lavender netting.  I altered a pattern for the hood (complete
with stuffed horn - hence the braid to wrap around it) and made
the mane and tail out of netting.  She was a lovely unicorn!!
Xref: sparky misc.kids:23215 rec.arts.startrek.current:12979
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 12 Sep 92 08:12:40 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

And I had a friend named "Ernest". When his mom had another baby boy,
what did she name him "Bert". I'm sure all you Sesame Street fans are
cringing by now.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Condoms... was Impact of the absent father
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:36:47 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Sep8.224610.22640@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
|> 
|> I'm sure this is not the place to bring this up ...but what the hell.
|> So something I've always wondered about is - Why does using a condom
|> constitute safe sex?  If sperm can sneak by, can't the HIV virus?

From an individual viewpoint, yes, condoms don't make safe sex in that 
there is some small rate of failures. The risk is too high to call
it 100% safe.

From an epidemiological viewpoint, however, condoms reduce the rate of 
transmission down to the point where there simply would not be an 
epidemic if everyone at whatever slight risk used condoms.

Really--leaving out transmission by dirty IV needles, if everyone used 
condoms, there would be no AIDS epidemic! 

Pity there's no chance of this ever happening. Promoting universal 
condom use would certainly have a much faster and more certain result 
than everything researchers can do to find a cure, but too many 
people think that that would be encouraging immorality. AIDS is God's 
punishment for having sex, you know, just like pregnancy, or so some
people think.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller)
Subject: Re: Crib recommendation wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:30:52 GMT

betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:

>Go to your favorite baby-supply store.  Bring a teddy bear.  Make your
>husband put the teddy bear into a playpen ten times.  Then have him
>try the same thing on a crib.  I think he'll see the point.   Playpens
>for kids who can't stand up are HARD on the back!



I would also think sleeping in a playpen would be hard on the baby's
back.  Baby's are people too, and they desrve a good, firm (but not
too firm, i.e. the floor,) mattress.  Maybe more so, as their bones
are still pliable and developing.  A good mattress is important to its 
developing spine.

Bonnie
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:13:30 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article 27889@informix.com, alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs) writes:
> 
> Around here (East Bay, SF Bay area), daycare in a center, for infants,
> is between $115 - 135 a week.  I didn't think those were outrageous.
> 
> Also, I'm astonished that people find those rates too expensive.  For
> a 45-hour week, that's not even minimum wage.  How can we expect to 
> receive outstanding child care for our children when we do not show 
> the caretakers how much we value them by paying them a living wage?
> 
> Alison

But what about those who can't afford that (single parents or people who make minimun wage?)

I have three in day care and it costs $246 a week plus $9 activity fees, $15 breakfast.
I'm kinda looking forward to my oldest going to school next year.

Serena
From: larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car Seats and Trucks
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:07:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arapaho.ucsc.edu

In article <9209091514.AA24370@osnome.che.wisc.edu> rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
>   yes, that is what I mean.  The kid goes in the center.  It is a 76
>   Chevy C10 (not S10), a full-size.  No extended cab.
>
>Well that explains it.  Full-size trucks from that era were "real,
>manly" trucks.  Today's S10's, rangers, and (especially) imports are
>significantly smaller.
>

I have a friend who owns one of the smaller trucks, and he and his 
wife drive around with their son in his car seat all the time.  The 
catch is that the kid and carseat are on the window seat and one of
the adults has to sit in the middle.
--
Tracy Larrabee		larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Girl is growing up fast
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 09:34:55 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

My daughter is 9-1/2 YO and has had her first period. It was very little
and not much to speak of, except that it is a milestone. She had no
relationships with boys except that she goes to school with them, and has
noticed that some of them are "cute". I was talking to a friend of mine
about her early start and the friend feels that I should take her to a
doctor. I have read that 12 YO is an average age to begin, and that
starting at 9 YO is not a big deal. She has just begun the secondary
characteristics, such as breast developement (barely noticible when naked)
and she has had pimples for about 4-6 months. Any ideas, folks?


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: skejriwa@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sangita Kejriwal)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: thank you for the easy birth stories.
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:16:35 GMT
Reply-To: skejriwa@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sangita Kejriwal)
Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS

In article <9209031427.AA14249@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl
Grant) writes:
>
>With my first, I planned on an epidural, and God was kind.  I got it,
>it took, all was wonderful.  With #2 I had begun perparing myself right
>after that birth for the fact that I might not be so lucky this time,
>I'd probably get to the hospital too late, or I progress too fast, or
>it wouldn't take. (With #1, I had early labor for >30 hours ( = bad
>tummy ache), and spent one whole day at the hospital, just to come home
>at 3cm. and return the next day).
>
>Well, I read these stories, and decided that I probably would have been
>more comfortable at home.  Once they broke my water, it was only a few
>hours until he was born, that *might* have been bearable, moreso now
>that I am experienced.  I have been going into this one trying to
>decide if I wanted to chance going in later and not getting my
>epidural, or going in too early and being bored.  I have decided that I
>should *try* to labor at home as much as I can, and concentrate on the
>baby, and worry about midication WHEN I feel I need it, not now (or the
>time I have wasted worrying about it over the past 2 1/2 years).  I
>finally feel refreshed.
>

I had made plans to spend most of the early labor time at home
too (that is when the pains were just beginning & mild!).
However, after having been through the labor the second
time through, I realize that my second labor was so very
different than my first one... After my water was broken
I was in actual labor only 30 minutes approx., & Eshan came
real fast & unexpectedly...
I now feel that if I my labor had started on its' own
& I had stayed home like planned, than Eshan would be born in the CAR!!
during the last visits, I had checked with my OB/GYN about
staying home during the initial hours of labor...
& she had told me a big NO!! She told me something like,
I was so dilated & effaced, that the baby could come anytime...
so to go to the hospital whenever contractions started
with any regularity ( even if they were 10 minute apart), or whenever the
water broke!  So, please do not make the decision to 
spend the early labor at home on your own...talk to your
doctor about it, & also remember that it is much better
to gt to the hospital early rather than have the baby in the car!!!
Labor, sometimes, progresses very fast & painlessly...
& also each labor is different ...

                                        Sangita.
-- 

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From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Sep7.042844.6933@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:04:16

   In article <1992Sep7.145930.10649@waikato.ac.nz> dmk@waikato.ac.nz writes:
   >Hi everyone,
   >
   >I have this vague recollection of once reading that fine cornmeal (cornfour
   >to some North Americans) makes an excellent baby powder (without the
   >problems of added perfumes, asbestos etc or a huge price tag).
   >
   >Can anyone verify this? Attest to its suitability? Totally repudiate it?

CornSTARCH, not cornmeal!  I don't know the British name for
cornstarch, but the right stuff is white and looks like flour.
Cornmeal is ground up corn, and would feel just like coarse sand on
the baby's bottom.  Hardly something to help a diaper rash.

-- Anne
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: hunger strike conclusion
Date: 13 Sep 1992 14:46:51 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	Thanks to everyone who sent me stories about their children's
hunger strikes.  Of course as soon as I posted about Libby not eating
she decided it was time _to_ eat.  What an easy solution :-), and much
cheaper than taking her to the doctor to get rid of her fever 1/2 :-).
I hope the USENET solution works for everyone else who posts with a
problem!  
			Lisa
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From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Trick-or-treating; what age?
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:13:23 GMT


I took Kurt trick-or-treating last year when he was 2 days shy of 
one-year-old.  Helooked adorable in a lion costume I'd got for
very cheap from Sears catalog the previous spring.  I drew on
whiskers.

We only went to a few houses, those of neighbors we were friends
with.  Kurt did not understand what was going on, but enjoyed
being out and looking at the Halloween decorations.  And I enjoyed
all the people coo-ing over how cute he was!
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Condoms... was Impact of the absent fa
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:39:14 GMT

ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor - Network Operations East) writes:

>your ideas about what is moral and what isn't is probably
>vastly different from what most people think on this
>list. 

Boldly spoken.  Also without any foundation whatsoever.
 
>in my opinion, anyone who marries someone without having
>had sex with them is a total idiot.

You're welcome to think so, but I'd have to say that _this_ is an
extreme position, and I'd appreciate clarification.  In fact, in light
of
    1) Statistical correlation between pre-marital sexual relations
       a later marital instability;  (yeah, I KNOW, correlation is
       NOT the same as cause and effect, it's just an interesting
       correlation that you can take or leave);

    2) Widespread incidence of sexually transmitted diseases in the
       general population, of which AIDS is only the most lethal
       and given the most press;

why is an "abstainer" a _total_ idiot? "Naive", maybe, "repressed", if
you care to think so, "unadventurous", any of a number of opinions may
apply to a latter-day pre-marital virgin, but "idiot" is not a term
that suggests itself to me.  Leave morality completely out of it and
it's still sensible from purely practical perspectives to take the
course of caution.  
 
--
===============================================================================
paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
===============================================================================
From: i001703@disc.dla.mil (ann schrage)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things they say, 9 year old
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:49:17 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa

While driving the other day, the rear view mirror in my car fell off. My
husband was driving. We had a stop to make, when we got back in the car
my 9 year old, Cindy, asked if Daddy was going to fix the rear END mirror.
Made us giggle. YMMV.
ann schrage
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ante-natal vitamins, other ravings
Summary: prenatal vitamins are not mandatory in U.S.
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:48:29 GMT
Organization: At home mother who is rarely at home
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep14.114210.6645@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>[...]
>Next question: vitamins. I have noticed a few mentions of ante-natal
>vitamins. In the pregnancy books I have read (Australian based) they say
>"American doctors always prescribe special pregnancy vitamins, but this is
>not necessary for anyone with a healthy diet." (paraphrased). When I was
>pregnant I took Iron tablets (I always hover on the verge of anaemia,
>anyway). SO, are vitamin tablets compulsory in the US. I know noone who has
>taken them here. [and our babies are healthy.] The advice here is to fix
>your diet, if its not OK already.
[...]

When I was pregnant in 1990, I read an article in the newspaper
about a study which was conducted by a panel of experts from the NSF
(National Science Foundation) on the use of prenatal vitamins.
Basically, the conclusion was that a person who ate a healthy diet
was not better off taking prenatal vitamins.

I queried my obstetrician about the study, which of course, he had
read.  His response was that he looked on prenatal vitamins as
"insurance."  Ideally, pregnant women would eat healthy, balanced
diets every day.  But, if they don't, they can at least fall back on
the vitamin.  Also, most prenatal vitamins contain folic acid, which
has been shown to decrease the chances of spinabifida (I think
that's the condition).  But yes, absolutely, a healthy diet is a
key ingredient in producing a healthy baby.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
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