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From: PKJAMES@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Getting off Xanax
    <1992Dec09.144105.20089@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> <1992Dec9.231134.6495@sr.com> 
    <1992Dec10.224613.0457875@locus.com>
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.224613.0457875@locus.com>
yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
 
>
>The unsolicited testimonies about what a wretched drug Xanax is
>continue unabated here on sci.med.  And notice that none of the
>other benzodiazepines seem to be generating the same kind of stories.
>
>I hope any prescribing docs reading out there who might still have
>the "a benzo is a benzo is a benzo" attitude will take heed.  With
>other drugs useful in treating panic disorder, are there any indications
>left for Xanax for which other pharmaceuticals are not available?  I'm
>wondering if it's correct to say that Xanax is NEVER the right drug to
>prescribe first.
>
>
>I speculate that what the doc meant when he said that alcohol and
>Xanax "are the same" is that both affect the GABA neurotransmitter
Yes tghey are wrethced, but so is life..  We work harder to be able to
buy more anxiolytics so we can work harder so we can make more money to
buy more anxioltyics.  Sounds familiar.
kline you are good.  Better living through chemistry or at least
glucose. You're on smart dude.
PAUL JAMES   (PKJAMES@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
PAUL JAMES   (PKJAMES@UKCC.UKY.EDU)
>system.
>
>Best WIshes
>
My cat Phaser, my rats Mickey and Miney, and my fish regina and hooover and two
 bottom feeders called spot and quilt say hi.  We continue to be alive although
 there is no good reason.  Science is in proof not conjecture.
>--
>
>Welcome to Sci.med -- where-school-of-thought bashing is as old as
>sickness itself.
>
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
Keywords: income
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:32:58 GMT

Gee, unless my calculator program is buggy, $120,000/5.1 is only
about $23,529.  What kind of professional makes only that?
Or is this another of those cases where the term "professional" is
being used very loosely?
-- 
Krista Anderson, krista@ihlpf.att.com  or  ihlpf!krista@att.att.com
I don't want to be here; I want to be in an Agatha Christie novel,
or in a musical, like Mary Poppins.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Dental work and epinephrine pellets?
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:07:12 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec14.192848.10108@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>The hope is that this relative selectivity should minimize
>the beta-2 adrenergic effects which are common with drugs like epinephrine
>and isoproterenol.

"Beta-1".

Just keeping myself honest.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Cromolyn Sodium (vs. Beconase)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:38:53 GMT

In article <KPC.92Dec11204637@zog.arc.nasa.gov> kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>should i consider cromolyn instead of beconase for sinuses?  and how
>can i get it for eyes?
>
>1.  why are the eye drops still off the market?  how can i get them?

Fisons discovered a contamination problem with the eye drops.  After this,
they built an entirely new facility to manufacture the product, but the
initial reports are that they're still having trouble.  However, there are
several hospital pharmacies which are compounding and dispensing their own
ophthalmic solutions of cromolyn, with a 30-day shelf-life.  Mass Eye and
Ear Infirmary in Boston is one of them.  There must be some place in the
Bay Area which provides this service.  Otherwise, perhaps MEEI can do mail
order.

>unfortunately, it was taken off the market a few years ago.  i was
>given to understand that this was a manufacturing problem and nothing
>inherent whatsoever, but it's still off the market.  what harm could
>result if i started using it again?  what if cost/benefit says i can
>take the risk?  is it sold in usa/uk/canada/mexico?

As far as I know, the product is not sold commercially anywhere because of the
problem they're having with its manufacture.

>2.  shouldn't i be using the nose drops for sinus problems instead of
>beconase (vancenase)?

It's actually an aerosol spray, much like the steroid spray.

>kaiser plugs beconase heavily, and it works a little, but given my
>success with cromolyn, might i consider it for my sinuses/nose too?
>do they do totally different things?  what are the differences?  does
>it do nothing for polyps?

I think that more people have success with a steroid spray than with
cromolyn, but that's not to say that it wouldn't work well for you.
I don't know what effect it would have on people with polyps (that is,
I'm ignorant--you might speak to an ENT doc about this.)

>also, i'm curious about the inhaler.  is it useful for asthmatic
>bronchitis?

It's quite useful as a prophylactic for asthma.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:32:45 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <1ge4g1INNnmm@SUNNY.SYSTEMSX.CS.YALE.EDU> zador-anthony@cs.yale.edu (Tony Zador) writes:
>
>Why aren't Western Europeans so often morbidly obese?
>
>I recognize that obesity is multifactorial, and that on the same diet
>some people wil become fat while others will remain thin.  ...
>
>						In the absence of a more
>compelling argument, the most likely explanation is lifestyle (diet
>and exercise). If this is the explanation, how is that consistent with
>the recent evidence suggesting a biological prediliction to obesity?
>

Isn't it customary to look at immigrants, when one country has a particular
medical problem to a greater degree than another, and there is confusion as to
whether the difference is environment or heredity?

-dk
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: BEE VEDOM: Help and coooperation needed
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:27:55 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

Dear gentlemen!
Here in Russia we are going to produce bee vedom. Would you help us in finding
medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
     Sincerely  Nickolay Ovcharenko
     nick@gepard.msk.su
     fax (095)-135-70-30


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From: spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden)
Subject: high PULSE rate
Organization: Flight Data and Evaluation Office
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:59:54 GMT

I'm looking for impressions on this condition, and I realize that there's no
substitute for going to see a doctor.  I've been to the doctor, a
cardiologoist, and I'd like to see what the wealth of the net thinks on this
topic.

I've got a high PULSE rate, something between 90 and 120 average (per minute),
and it can jump as high as 140 during my weightlifting exercise.  I also get
somewhat short of breath when exercising, but I suppose that's to be expected.
While I'm asleep, my pulse slows to about 75-80, though.  I've got chronic
Crohn's disease, in remission for 2 years, and I take 2 g. Azulfidine a day
with Vicon Forte mutlivitamin supplement.  Ultrasound looked fine, and
extensive blood testing was was clear (no overactive thyroid).

I do _NOT_ have high blood PRESSURE, it is fine.  I simply have a high pulse
rate.  My doctor has a few theories, but I'm not sure I agree with them.  I'm
simply looking to see if anyone else has experienced similar symptoms, and if
they've corrected the situation, then how?  Do any other Crohn's patients on
Azulfidine have this condition?  Any theories are welcome.

-Spenser

-- 
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NASA --- Flight Data and Evaluation Office --- Johnson Space Center, Houston
spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov    (Internet) ---  Opinions herein are mine alone.
aden@vf.jsc.nasa.gov (if above bounces) ---  "Eschew obfuscation." - unknown
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Haemorrhoid removal questions
Organization: Motorola
Date: 14 Dec 1992 04:40:21 CST

Can somebody/anybody please e-mail me with
information pertaining to haemorrhoid removal.
i.e. what types of surgery are available,
     what are post-operative effects/side-effects,
     what is recuperative time,
     can anal sex be resumed after recovery?


I look forward to hearing from someone!


Eddie Chandler.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:45:22 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Dec17.181931.7841@seanews.akita.com>, billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) writes:
|> In article <BzD6GI.DvH@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
|> >People used to get
|> >"the vapors", but there was no corresponding disease.
|> 
|> Um, people still get "the vapors."  I get the vapors.  Perhaps you're
|> confused because the terminology has changed.  Eat some beans and you'll
|> likely get "the vapors" as well.
|> 
|> -- Bill "Georgia" McCormick
|> -- 
|> SEANEWS  []  Seattle News + Mail  []  Public Access  []  +1 206 747 NEWS
|> E-mail for PGP key.   MD5 (no sigs) is: 8e253e95133365a292261c7d0da58bcb

You are in error in identifying "the vapors" with gas.  Check the
history.
-- 
Gary H. Merrill  [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC  27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jimkent@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Kent)
Subject: Re: "stigma" of psychiatric treatment, again
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:44:56 GMT


> resulted , of course, from the application of the objective criteria....

Gary, I'm 100% with you on this one.  I'm certain that over 90% of the
people carrying that diagnosis do _not_ meet the objective criteria.  I do
wish that you would arrange to meet someone with an acute exacerbation (long
medical word for flare-up) of schizophrenia.  They are entirely different
from the people you meet who "carry the diagnosis.


I looked at Toxic Psychiatry in a bookstore last night.  Other than talking
about drugs that weren't on the market in 1968, it looked like a rehash of
Szaz's work.

Please note, however, that the person in the PTSD example was not held
against his will, and other than psychiatrists made the "diagnosis."

Jim
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec3.131412.5609@fy.chalmers.se> smidt@fy.chalmers.se (Peter Smidt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov30.213005.2207@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> egf48542@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>     One thing Breggin never admits is that most of the time, these drugs work,
>>and almost all of the time, ECT, or electroconvulsive therapy, works too.  He
>>consistently puts forward a patently false and harmful description that all
>>psychoactive drugs are 'poison'.
>
>The effect of ECT is only TEMPORARY!!! After some time (weeks, months),
>the person is as ill as he was before ECT. And the long series of
>ECT cause severe brain damage. I once knew of a women that had had about
>500 treatments of ECT. She was going on like a drug adict.
>So be careful not to forget all the bad side effects!!!
>

I know of many cases who were cured of their depression by ECT and the
depression has not returned.  Depression does tend to be a recurrant
problem, so no matter what modality you use, recurrance may happen.
Repeated courses of ECT can cause brain damage, but there is little
evidence of short courses causing a problem.  If I had a depression
not controlled by medication in myself or family member, this would
be the treatment I would choose.



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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Getting off Xanax
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:35:04 GMT


In article <1992Dec16.212706.0905072@locus.com>, yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:

|> Mark, I haven't seen a single withdrawal-from-hell story about Valium
|> here on sci.med, and I've seen loads of them about Xanax. 

I remember a number of years ago a *lot* of stories
about Valium withdrawal - not on sci.med, but in newspapers,
books, television.  

Using equally strong logic, I can say that Valium is worse 
because as far as I know there have been *no* films on television
about Xanax withdrawal and there have been at *least* two
specifically about Valium withdrawal - _I'm Dancing As
Fast As I Can_ comes to mind.

 
-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Xref: sparky sci.med:22681 misc.kids:30585
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.kids
Subject: Re: AMA Calls for Ban on Infant Walkers
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:23:20 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Dec15.165834.22995@oracle.us.oracle.com>, mfriedma@uucp 
(Michael Friedman) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.150624.26020@news.media.mit.edu> stanzi@media.mit.edu 
(Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
|> >I agree that walkers can hamper walking development (babies apparently
|> >use different muscles and coordination to move a walker around), but I
|> >wish they hadn't tagged on the assertion that skipping crawling could
|> >hamper cognitive development.  I think this is rather ireesponsible
|> >reporting.  I understand from what I've read that it's moderately
|> >common to skip the crawling stage.  My daughter was *driven* to get
|> >vertical, and only crawled for a very brief time.  (We never used a
|> >walker) It's very clear to me that there's nothing wrong with her
|> >cognitive skills.  This kind blythe assertion is bound to make a lot
|> >of parents unnecessarily nervous IMHO!
|> 
|> Stanzi, how on Earth can you possibly know if practically skipping
|> crawling adversely effected her reading ability?  After all, no matter
|> how good she is, she could be better.
|> 
|> Am I the only person who is disturbed at the way many people seriously
|> seem to believe that anecdotal evidence like the above is serious
|> evidence against a scientific study?

As a scientist, I have little respect for the AMA's call for a ban on 
walkers. The assertion that skipping crawling leads to later problems 
appears laughable to me--the result mainly of poor logic: "if babies 
with major problems don't crawl, then not-crawling leads to major 
problems." Studies have yielded results that agree with this conclusion 
but others disagree with it completely. (I have references if you care.) 
Furthermore, proper use of any toy, for less than an hour a day, is hardly 
likely to cause a child to skip crawling when not in that toy.

Stanzi may not be a scientist or have access to the studies in question, 
but she does have concrete evidence that not crawling does not necessarily 
represent a catastrophe in a child's development. While anecdotal evidence 
is frequently misused to contradict perfectly good research, I don't think 
it's misplaced in this case.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Casio Blood Pressure Wristwatch
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:24:38 GMT
Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA

In article <BywEtw.Eou@javelin.sim.es.com>, bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
|> Any comments on the Casio BP-100 blood pressure measuring wristwatch?
|> 
|> It uses a method their User's Guide calls PWTT for pulse wave transit
|> time which senses a pulse differential between the left wrist & right
|> fingers.  The wearer must take a measurement with the watch
|> simultaneously with a "cuff" measurement (yeah, I know the syphgmo
|> word, just don't want to try to spell it here!) & the cuff systolic &
|> diastolic values are entered into the watch.  Subsequent watch
|> measurements are apparently determined relative to this known value.
|> Apparently several beats worth of measurements are taken & there must
|> be a rejection criteria of some kind -- the info included with the
|> watch doesn't cover any of this in detail.

I am not an engineer, but as a physician I have never been impressed by
any of the automated blood pressure devices, particularly ones which use
fingers. Even the units that use conventional cuffs on the upper arms are
terribly inaccurate unless positioned absolutely correctly, and if your are
going to spend this much time positioning the cuff, you might as well spend
a few extra seconds and do the reading manually. 

I am not familiar with what accuracy standards there are for home medical
devices, much less a watch with a blood pressure gizmo. My impression is 
that there is very little to no regulation of these things, as opposed to
the oppresive degree of regulation for medical devices used by hospitals.
If someone on the net has knowledge of this, please reply.

When we arrange for home blood pressure monitoring for our patients, we
give them standard cuffs and stethoscopes, and teach them how to get a
good reading. This seldom takes more than a few minutes, and I have never
seen these patients come back in with some of the wild readings I have
seen from the automated devices (including the ones in supermarkets).

-km
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: "BEER'S POISON":Information needed. Cooperation proposals.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:49:26 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

Dear Gentlemen!
Here in Russia we are going to produce beer's poison ( may be it is called
another way ). Would you be so kind to help us in finding medical or pharma-
cological centers interested in long-time cooperation. High adepts
and great specialists in this branch are also very needed for us.
              Sincerely     Nickolay Ovcharenko
          nick@gepard.msk.su
         fax (095)-135-70-30 "for Gepard"
         telex 911528 IMS SU "GEPARD Ltd"


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: marshall.1@nd.edu (Amy Marie Marshall)
Subject: ovulation software
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:54:00 GMT

A coplleague of mine came across some freeware or software (a Hypercard
stack?) that could be used to predict ovulation based on information
provided about the individual's cycle.  Unfortunately, this colleague has
not been able to relocate the sw and did not save a copy.

Does anyone out there have a copy or something similar that is
freeware/shareware?  Please email responses if possbile.

Thank you!

Amy 

Amy Marie Marshall
Univeristy of Notre Dame
Dept of Economics and Office of Univ. Computing
From: vg@yaz.Eng.Sun.COM (Vineeta Gupta)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Irregular Hearbeat -- Atrial Fibrillation
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:23:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaz

   Where can I read up more on this?
   Is this treatable?
   Can one do more than just take dylantin(?) everyday?
   How can one prevent more of these incidences?
   Lifestyle, diet changes .. do they help??
   Does it get worse over time?

   Please post or reply to vineeta.gupta@sun.com 
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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Milk is not a liquid?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.143827.1@skcla.monsanto.com> julien@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>
>In a recent visit to my physcian, one of the questions he asked was how much
>liquid I was drinking. I said that I drink alot of milk. He said that milk does
>not count. Milk is in a liquid form but it counts as a food. I'll agree that
>milk is a source of calcium and vitamin D etc., but doesn't it also contain
>alot of water and therefore represent some form of liquid intake? 
>

Just a WAG:  perhaps he means that liquids with a high protein
and fat content do not represent the type of liquid intake in
which he's interested.

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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Is circumizing barbaric?
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:48:21 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Dec7.232642.24175@sequent.com> petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire) writes:

>
>READ almost any american medical book/guide on the great disease of, 'Oh my
>god my son does what ?' MASTURBATION !!.... yes my friends, it will cure
>you son from this dreadful disease...
>
>actually, if it wasn't so true, it would be kind of funny, just read what
>some of the 'experts' had to say and other 'texts', you may have to go to
>a dusty old used book store. I've got quite a collection from Garage Sales
>and other places.
>

Actually, I've seen this only in old books on morality and such.
I've never seen it in any of the reputable text books like
Osler's textbook, etc.  What reputable doctors of the time
advocated it to prevent masturbation?






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From: pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Bacterial Allergy Shots
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:26:39 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

Is anybody familiar with shots that are given like allergy immunizing shots, 
but are various bacteria instead of pollens and dust?  The idea being to 
immunize somebody that has had or is prone to alot of infections.  I was told
this was still fairly experimental.  I'm wondering how effective they are.
Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman
From: mdebuitlear@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "reflexology"?
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:09:58 CET
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <17747@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> In article <Byst5C.A89@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zig@uiuc.edu writes:
>>foot!  Are these people the quacks they seem to be?  Do they have 
>>any scientific basis to their method?  Are they licensed by most
>>states?  My grandmother's reflexologist claims to be licensed, but
>>I have to wonder.
>>
> There is no known scientific basis for it.  Certainly they can
> make people feel better, but so can just about any quack system.

Strange indeed - what is wrong with making people feel better, thats what 
they usually want from a treatment/consultation.  Doesn't sound unreasonable 
to me, you go to a reflexologist, get treated, pay up and go home feeling 
better - everyones happy (except the people in this newsgroup).

Micheal De Buitlear.
M.De.Buitlear@EuroKom.ie
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