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From: dodge@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Dodge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Another Race Description: 1000 Islands Tri
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:31:04 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


Thanks to Todd Jensen for his regular postings of race descriptions.
It's great to read about events in other parts. Are there any 
netters from outside NA who would like to post a race description or two?

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For my part, here is a run down of a new race on the Canada/US border.

Thousand Islands Triathlon: August 23    .750/20/5 km
Weather: HHH (Hot Hazy Humid) Noon temp's around 30 C

Held in Gananogue (Gan a knock way), Ontario, just north of Syracuse
and Watertown NY.

The race has a couple of interesting touches. The swim starts from one
of the large tour boats that cruises the 1000 islands. 400 athletes left
the dock at 8:15 for a 3 wave (men, teams, women) deep water start. Once
the boat anchored, it took only a couple of minutes to get the large mens
wave into the 68 degree St Lawrence River for the straight swim back to
the dock. (Like Escape from Alcatraz... Escape from Canada ??)

The water was cold and murky with a few weed fragments here and there, but
not as bad as it gets further down river. The worst part was trying to climb
up the entry dock, which was 2 feet off the water. While there were people
assisting, I had terrible thoughts of tearing my new wetsuit as I bellied
up on the dock.

The bike leg is an out and back course through town and down the river. Up
hill slightly on the way out, you get a boost from the prevailing westerly
wind. Keeping over 40 kph wasn't too hard.

Back into town, you make a hard left into a residential neighbourhood for
the last couple of km. This is where trouble arose later on in the run, as
runners and bikers met and crossed paths several times later in the event,
creating confusion and at least one bike/runner collision. (I think they
will fix this next year). As I was 18th after the bike, I didn't see
any runners while as was on the bike, but got nice and mixed in with 
bikers from the later waves while finishing my run.

The run was a short version of the bike, except for the bike/run mix, it
was a flat, fast course. (still I dropped 3 places.. :(   )


Post race goodies were great! Lots of fruit, bagels, yogurt, cold pop
and more than enough pizza for everyone.

The awards ceremony was unique. Everyone reboarded one of the cruise boats 
for a 1.5 hr boat trip through the islands. During the trip, the awards
and plenty of door prizes were handed out. A really nice touch !

In all, a good race for the first attempt. A fast course with the cruise
boat twist makes it a race I would do again next year.

-- 
     >==o^   __e     o        
     SWIM  _ \ ~    %          Jeff Dodge
          (x)/(x)  /)          MITEL PUBLIC SWITCHING
            BIKE   RUN         Kanata, Ontario, Canada (eh?)
From: hoadley@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bryan D. Hoadley)
Subject: Alcatraz Report
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Spaces Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:37:27 GMT

Real rough Alcatraz Results:

I didn't go watch this one since my NEW training schedule has me riding 100+ on Saturdays and running 15 to 20 on Sunday followed by an hour swim but I heard
the results:

Men:
Greg Welch
Scott Tinley -6:00
Mike Pigg -7:30

Women
Paula 
Kristan Whelan -2:00

Very rough on the times but that is the jist...It is suppose to be on TV 9/9...

Bryan...

PS  The race reports everyone is posting are really great to read, I just more
people would post so we can hear first hand about races.  It also helps us from
other parts of the country to decide if we want to do a race next year or not!
More race reports please, Thanks Todd for that Chicago report...Keep Swimming,
or face the music at home when she starts beating you consistantly! 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: GE.PMR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tricia Richter)
Subject: Re: Who escaped from Alcatraz?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:28:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.135227.4645@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>,
tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Does anyone know who won the Escape from Alcatraz (sp?) Triathlon?
>When will it be on TV?
>
>Did anyone do it?  Ever since I visited my friend in S.F., I've wanted
>to do the race, except I'm afraid of the ice water swim [and sharks 8^)].
>
>
>Todd Jensen

My brother did the Escape, so I went along to watch (with 13.5 miles
of hilly running, it's NOT my kind of course, but I'd LOVE to do
that swim...).

Greg Welch won in 2:54:xx, new course record.  Tinley was second in
3:01:xx, and Pigg third in 3:04:xx.  Rip Esselstyn was first out of
the bay in 26 minutes and some seconds. Yow!  The water was
apparently several degrees warmer than usual this year, and a number
of folks braved the cold sans wet suits!  By the way, there ARE
sharks in the Bay, but they're generally no bigger than about two
feet long, and certainly no man eaters!  A lot of competitors worry
more about the numerous sea lions out there.  Also, the race started
just a little bit later than planned, so there was a bit of a
current to deal with for the last quarter mile or so.

The bike isn't actually flat, although the hills involved aren't
exactly Alp d'Huez.  It winds up through the Presidio and down to
the Great Highway and then back up along the same course before
crossing the Golden Gate Bridge and descending to East Fort Baker.
Comically, we saw one woman WALKING her bike up the hill past the
Cliff House and yelling out to someone, "We don't have hills in
Indiana!"

And the run?  The run is just plain nasty!  Up over the Marin
headlands from the Bay to the beach and back.  My brother said it
was just one hill after another, he lost count but figured it was 5
or 6 climbs followed by brutal descents.  Ouch!  A LOTTA walking
going on!

Paula won the women's race in 3:54:xx, beating Krista Whelan by a
significant gap.  Janet Stamper was third.  Paula was 7th overall!
She's really an incredible competitor, and so darned nice!  Always
has a smile on her face.  Not to mention she looked fresh as a daisy
when she cruised into the finish line!  Definitely an inspiration
for us fledgling women triathletes.  Go, Paula!

Even with that awful run at the end, I'm tempted to try this one
next year, I think the swim would be a blast and the bike a piece of
cake.  Now if I can just get used to running something much harder
than a flat 10K 8-]....

Hey, and did anybody else see the two guys who did the whole thing
in prisoner's uniforms and crossed the line carrying a banner
between them reading "We Escaped!!"?  Another guy started the swim
in a straightjacket!   Very San Francisco!

Cheers!
Tricia


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From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Computer Consoles, Inc.  Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:50:40 GMT


brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) wrote this about What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?:
>
>SRB has another advantage in that it naturally counteracts drafting. It
>isn't a total cure for the problem, but having the bike last means people
>will spread out more.
>
>The downside is the fear of a bike finish.... [etc.]

	Part of the advantage is also a disadvantage.  SRB would also require
	that the bike course be maintained for a longer duration because people
	will be spread out more.  It also requires the course be maintained
	later into the day as a result of the bike being last rather than
	second.  

	These may make it more difficult to get permission from the local
	government and police to hold the event.


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Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:52:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.212425.4806@pony.Ingres.COM>, jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black) writes:
> 
> A friend and I were discussing this recently, but neither of us could figure
> out why the standard triathlon event ordering is Swim-Bike-Run.  It sure seems
> like putting the run first would help alleviate those crowding problems at the
> starting line (which you get with mass swim starts).  We surmised that the swim
> comes first because organizers didn't want athletes dying (literally) during the
> swim if they were already exhausted.  Is this correct?  And why then Bike-Run
> instead of Run-Bike?
> 
> Tinley's book mentions early events where the order was sometimes different
> (and often had a livlier mixture like Run-Swim-Bike-Swim-Run), but does not
> explain why Swim-Bike-Run is now standard.  Anyone know?
> 
> john//
> 
> 

It was realize that to have a swim not at the first of the three invited an
increase danger of drowining due to fatigue.  If you *bonk* on the run, you
can step to the side and sit down.  Bonking on the swim could be potentially
more dangerous also, the race organizers might have to pay even higher 
insurance premiums.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Don Palmrose





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From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:38:46 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.125040.20469@cci632.cci.com> tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan) writes:
>
>	Part of the advantage is also a disadvantage.  SRB would also require
>	that the bike course be maintained for a longer duration because people
>	will be spread out more.  It also requires the course be maintained
>	later into the day as a result of the bike being last rather than
>	second.  
>
>	These may make it more difficult to get permission from the local
>	government and police to hold the event.
>
>
I wonder if we can estimate the timing involved here. If we make the assumption
that overall finish times won't change much for any individual, and use
USTS distances, and for the first approximation use a mass instead of a
wave start, how much longer do you think the bike course has to be
maintained? Biking would start about 30 minutes later (the time of the
fastest runner). If we're talking about a 30 minute shift and a 30 minute
extension, thats trivial. 

When the clear advantages for medical reasons are explained to the various
governmental bodies, they'll jump at the idea.

Bruce Cheney
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jdods@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Jeff Dods)
Subject: The Toronto World Cup
Originator: jdods@todah.chem.utoronto.ca
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: Just this Solar System 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:19:26 GMT


	I'm racing the above triathlon on Saturday August 29th.
	
	Part of a nice race report is knowing how people you know
	performed. 
	
	What I need from you are names of athletes competing 
	in this tri that you would like to know how they placed.
	
	I'm thinking especially of folks who may not place in the top
	but never the less are well known in their home area -- you
	know -- the local heroes!

	I prefer you write me at:

	jdods@tikva.chem.utoronto.ca

	O.K. ?

	See ya later, Jeff.
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:09:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.144706.24565@colorado.edu> jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins) writes:
>>...
>>SRB has another advantage in that it naturally counteracts drafting. 
>
>For me, this would encourage drafting. There's nothing that looks
>better to me when I'm tired and on the bike than someone else's wheel.
>

The concept that making it physically harder to draft encourages more
drafting seems somewhat absurd. Taken to its extreme implies that, for
you, there is no way to reduce your inclination to draft except to make
it possible and legal. Catch-a-22!

>
>The problems with the triathlon/duathlon bike finishes that I've been 
>involved with stemmed from the fact that no appropriate finish area is
>provided. Once you crossed the line, you needed to STOP. This creates
>congestion and increases the collision odds.  USCF finishes are required 
>to be preceded by a 200m(?) straightaway and always have a clear area
>past the line for the cyclists' progress to continue.  

You have described an improperly executed bike finish area.  Yet you
seem to be familiar with a properly done finish (USCF). I am not suggesting
that we have dangerous and stupid bike finishes. Instead, lets have
safe and intelligent ones - like USCF finishes! They are practical
and safe - during the summer there are probably a dozen bike finishes
a weekend across the country - with none of the horror stories proposed
by the anti-SRB folks.

>Also, in the case
>of a pack finish, additional photo finish equipment is going to be
>necessary to accurately place the finishers.  

But above you acknowledged that people would be more spread out. You
also missed my point that in USCF, everyone starts together and drafting
is legal, so they stay together. In a Tri just the opposite is true.
Yes, there might be 'packs', but if USCF can execute the finish line
properly, it should be even easier for Tri's. 

A bike finish would also be much more pleasing and interesting for
spectators and for a TV audience. Distance running finish tend to
be boring.

>I'm not a race organizer,
>but there seem to be enough headaches here to stick with the SBR order.
>
I am a race organizer (and triathlete). I work extensively with the
medical crews. I have witnessed people DIE during this type of event.
It is something I never want to experience again. It happens more
often than participants are aware of. 

AT YOUR NEXT TRI, STOP IN AT THE MEDICAL TENT. FIRST, THANK THEM
FOR BEING THERE, THEN ASK THEM ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THEY SEE. THEN
BRING UP SRB and the pro's and con's.  Tell the net what they
said.


Bruce Cheney
From: klinich@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Info on Minn. B to B wanted
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:14:13 EDT

Hi, 
  I'm looking for the results from this year's Minnesota Border-to-Border Tri.
I have some friend who are toying with the idea of doing it.  Also any general
info on the race from previous competitors would be helpful.
                                         Thanks,
                                            George

klinich@ohstpy.ohio-state.mps.edu


Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: srchave@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Steven R. Chavez)
Subject: San Diego BUD LIGHT entry for sale !!!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:52:02 GMT

Due to change in work schedule, I will be unalbe to go
to San Diego for the race.  This is a international 
distance race and is generaly cool and fast.  I have
received the race packet for the race and will send
it out immediately upon sale.  I paid in advance for
the race and will sell what I paid for it,  $$50.
In the event there is a charge for transferring the entry I
will deduct that cost and take a lost on the entry.      
                                
You can contact my on this account or by phone (510) 823-1524.
I will send out the packet immediately.
                                                                
Steve Chavez
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: World's Toughest Triathlon
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:04:21 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

John,  thanks for giving such a good description of the race.  You filled
in the gaps where I failed to get the information.  Especially about the
other top finishers.  I spent too much time socializing at the awards
ceremony to write any of that stuff down.  Great race for you.  You
certainly won't have any trouble with Ironman.  But, I've told you that
before.

Anyway, I for one wanted to thank you for all of us for such a nice report.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: Re: Info on Minn. B to B wanted
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:35:27 GMT

In article <13560.2aa1e2e6@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> klinich@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Hi, 
>  I'm looking for the results from this year's Minnesota Border-to-Border Tri.
>I have some friend who are toying with the idea of doing it.  Also any general
>info on the race from previous competitors would be helpful.
>                                         Thanks,
>                                            George
>
>klinich@ohstpy.ohio-state.mps.edu
>
>

I haven't heard this year's results, but the rumor is this year may have been
the last year of Border-to-Border.  The race was receiving less sponsorship
every year and the organizers seem to think of the race as a vacation for
themselves, so they may be bored of Minn. 

I crewed for my wife (then fiance) last year and it's a great race - just
be prepared to portage a lot on the canoe day!  We're toying with the
idea of doing it next year, but it can be a logistics nightmare if you
already have a full schedule.

If you have any specific questions, just send me e-mail.

Todd Jensen                                  o
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From: GE.PMR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tricia Richter)
Subject: Oops!  Paula's Time Corrected!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:28:15 GMT

Oops!  I blew it!  Mixed up Greg Welch's time with Paula's!

Paula Newby-Fraser finished the Escape from Alcatraz in 3:28:xx,
NOT 3:54:xx as I so clumsily posted before!

Sorry 'bout that, folks!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: Re: tt bike opinions
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:03:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.203234.23653@ryn.mro4.dec.com> tanski@gnpike.enet.dec.com (Robert Tanski) writes:
>
>    It's time for that age old question again but I think it needs to be
>    asked because of the constantly advancing technology.  What constitutes
>    a triathlon/tt type bike?


Well, the most important thing is the aero bars on the front....  But if
I were to order a TT-only bike, I'd probably get something with a steep
seat tube (80+ degrees), relaxed head tube (~70 degrees), 26" wheels,
disk back and deep aero rim front.  That's about it.  Funny bikes (small
front wheels and sloped top tubes) are still around, but they've gotten
less prevalent since the move to aero bars from the old cowhorns.

				Rich



Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Re: Bike training
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:37:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.190539.2028@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
>
>Good luck and happy riding.  Now, I just need a way to squeeze 10 years of
>swimming into 3 months...
>

Well here's something that might help.

Since you have the aerobic capacity, there's two things you need to be a decent
swimmer - stroke technique, and upper body strength.

I can't help you with the technique over the net.                    

However, since I switched from open water swimming to tri's last summer, I've
found that I don't swim enough (even with 12-20 km a week) to maintain my upper
body strength. What does help though, and takes less time and trouble than a
swim workout, is a couple of stretch tube workouts a week. They take 20-30 min
to do, and will give you a lot more strength in the lats, triceps and forearms
where you need it (Jeez, I'm giving away my secrets :-) Oh well, try and catch
me in the swim :-)). Lifting will do the same, but you can do 'cords at home
watching the tube or such.

You can buy surgical tubing at a pharmacy, and if you want to know the drills,
mail me.

tom


-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: GE.PMR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tricia Richter)
Subject: Escape on TV in September
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:31:55 GMT

Oh, by the way, Escape from Alcatraz TV Coverage:

Saturday, September 19th, 1-2 PM (Pacific), NBC


Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: sandie@mprgate.mpr.ca (Bert Sandie)
Subject: IRONMAN CANADA
Originator: sandie@atom
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:09:29 GMT


RESULTS:

Male  
(1) Scott Tinley  8:27:xx  (USA)
(2) Ray Browning  8:31:xx  (USA) (Previous Course Record Holder)
(3) "German Competitor" 8:3x:xx

Female
(1) Julienne White 9:08:xx  (Canada)

Tinley broke the course and bike record (4:39:xx I think).

Julienne White broke the course record and crushed the bike record with a
4:59:xx (first women to cycle under 5hrs in an Ironman).

This is all the local Vancouver paper had in it!!!

I heard second hand that the bike course was very fast due to favourable
wind conditions and relatively cool temperatures.

If I come across any more info I will pass it on!!!

Bert Sandie
MPR TELTECH Limited
Burnaby, BC, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: fri0@quads.uchicago.edu (Christian Fritze)
Subject: Re: Glycerol & sweating
Keywords: gross, poison, better_living_through_chemistry
Reply-To: fri0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:49:38 GMT

One more thing to consider...
 
While the glycerol itself may do your insides no harm, does the stuff that
was made for "external use only" isolated/purified in such a way that it may
contain traces of other nasties that will make you ill?
 
This is a reach, but remember the strange blood disorder that turned up in
people taking tryptophan pills (an amino acid, you've got tons in your
body). Turns out their illness was caused by impurities in the tablets left
there by the purification process.

On the more reasonable side, there are plenty of substances where the isolation is done one way if for industrial use, another for medical use/consumption.

-- 
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University of Chicago                 |               fri0@midway.uchicago.edu
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