HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Wesley Craig)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Dual-homing on AppleTalk?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 12:17:18 -0500
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu

In article <gf_DApu00WCoMJSnlE@andrew.cmu.edu> tjh+@CMU.EDU (Tom Holodnik) writes:
>Do any machines support dual-homing on AppleTalk networks?  That is,
>would a NetWare server (for instance) support AppleTalk connections on
>two networks (without routing!)? 

As someone mentioned, AppleTalk is not really designed for multihoming
without routing.  In particular, if your network looks something like

	-------------------------	net 1
	  |		      |
	 [A]		     [B]
	  |		      |
	-------------------------	net 2

(that is, both node [A] and node [B] are connected to networks 1 and
2), and [A] routes and [B] doesn't, then if [A] goes down, there is no
router and [B]'s idea of what the network numbers are, might need to
change.  Under phase 2, while the (now possibly bogus) network numbers
can remain the same, the network range for both wires would be the
same.

wes
From: cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Hiding LaserWriters with Gatorbox.
Keywords: gatorbox laserwriter ethertalk
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:26:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Hi Pascal,

In article <BzF3Js.1Ln@CAM.ORG> pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin) writes:
>Situation: Large LAN with EtherTalk, TCP/IP and LocalTalk. HP router used
>to route everything (including 56/112Kbps WAN).  A gatorbox exists somewhere
>in there to provide MacTCP over ARA services.
>
>Problem: A need to hide LaserWriters from users who are not in the same
>ZONE as the printer.
>
>My proposed solution: Generate a bunch of zones with the Gatorbox, put the
>LaserWriters (such as the IIg that are on EtherTalk) in the newly created\zones
>(thanks to that nifty postscript code).  Put the users (they are all on
>EtherTalk) into a zone that matches the printers that they have access to.
>
>Then, rename the printers to start with a "tidle" so that they are visible
>from other zones. 
>
>Question: Is this possible? Will it work?  What are the limitations, especially
>with regards to multiple routers, network numbers and zone names in this
>type of setup ???

	Only in specific topologies.  First a little about tilde '~' filtering.
	In a few routers out there, like Cayman's, there are some crude
	service filtering features, one of which is tilde.  When you add a
	tilde to the _end_ of a service name (AFPServer or LaserWriter, etc.),
	the router that has this enabled will drop the NBP LkUp Response
	packets as they cross the router.  When the user is in the same zone
	as the service, the router should still pass them.

	The problem is that you need this in strategic points of your
	internet.  What's a strategic point?  Depends on your topology.
	The point is that you need one of these special routers between
	the client and service, and no alternate routes between them that
	don't have special routers.  That's the nutshell rule, but is
	usually not obvious unless you sit down and really think it through.
	I'd be willing to give pointers, though.  What kind of other
	AppleTalk routers do you have?

	Chris
---
Chris Ranch
Internetworking Products Division
Novell, Inc.  San Jose, CA
(408)473-8667  cranch@novell.com
I may work for Novell, but I don't speak for them...
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: chas@curie.nrl.navy.mil (Charles J. Williams)
Subject: CAP via IPTalk on a non Class-C network
Organization: Naval Reseach Lab, Washington, DC; Research Computation Division
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 13:40:10 GMT

Using a Fastpath 4, we have been trying to set up an IPTalk zone on a 
class B network.  The FastPath manual shows the 'simple' way of configuring
an IPTalk network, and it does appear in the Chooser.  However I cannot
seem to make the FastPath reply to the CAP host.

Both have the the same high 3 bytes, so that I am using the low order byte
as the appletalk node number.  Older FastPath manuals tell me that IPTalk
is possible on Class-A and Class-B networks via an atalkatab but provide
very little information.  I am under the impression that if I keep the
CAP Host and FastPath having the same high 3 bytes I dont need to worry 
about this.

CAP is patch level 100 running on an SGI, under IRIX 4.0.1.  I have 
seen packets go to the FastPath, so I assume CAP compiled correctly.
I have also tried both ranges of ports...

What am I doing wrong?  How do I fix it?

thanks,

--chas iii
chas@ra.nrl.navy.mil
From: wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Wesley Craig)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: proteon appletalk routers
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:56:04 -0500
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu

In developing and debugging netatalk 1.3 here at Michigan, we've
noticed a couple of strange things about proteon's appletalk router.
Since we no longer have a proteon here in our building and our campus
is switching to ciscos, I'm passing this information on to someone who
might continue to find it useful.

    Proteon drops packet when it has no AARP entry for a destination.
    This has the effect of dropping the first packet for a destination
    while waiting for the AARP request to complete.

    Proteon seems to treat AARP Probes like AARP Responses. This has
    the effect of temporarily redirecting packets to the wrong
    address.  Can be serious if the Probed address belongs to a
    router.  Not sure how it rights itself, but this effect seem to
    occur only during Probing, not after an unused address has been
    selected.

wes
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: Sending email from internet to applelink
Keywords: internet, applelink
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:26:19 GMT


"userID@applelink.apple.com"  will do it.  Each and every AppleLink user is,
last I heard, charged 50 cents for each piece of mail received from or
sent to the Internet.
From: jmpiazza@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joseph M. Piazza)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: help with FastPath 4?
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:28:44 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <Bz9nxL.JwK@acsu.buffalo.edu> jmpiazza@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joseph M. Piazza) writes:
>
>	I need a little help in configuring our FastPath 4 (yes, something
>of a fossil).
>
>	The FastPath has 4.1 PROMs and currently running K-STAR 9.1.
>
>	We will be running CAP6.0 pl125 (pl60 or so is running now).  Since
>all six of our Macs (locally) are on Ethernet it's configured as native
>EtherTalk. ...

	Thanks to Eckart Hasselbrink (hasselbrink@fhi-berlin.mpg.de) for
enlightening me.

	The solution is to configure the beast for AppleTalk Only (phase 2).
The only need to use K-STAR or anything else using IP-Talk is if an IP
address in needed on the LocalTalk network (as a rule of thumb, if MacTCP
is being used by any LocalTalk nodes).  Since in our case we only have
printers and CAP is native ETalk, we don't need IP-Talk.

Flip side,

	joe piazza

--- "Where's my other sock?"  A. Einstein

CS Dept. SUNY at Buffalo 14260
jmpiazza@cs.Buffalo.edu		jmpiazza@sunybcs.BITNET	
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: ljthompson@anl.gov (loren thompson)
Subject: Where is CAP archived?
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: ANL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:31:32 GMT

Please email answer
Thanks
loren

ljthompson@anl.gov

when i think up a good signature i will put it here 'maybe'
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Looking for News Watcher
Date: 17 Dec 1992 20:44:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings,

I am currently using News Watcher v1.3d6 with MacTCP.  Does anyone know where
I can get the latest version of News Watcher, (and documentation)??

                                       T.I.A,

                                          Andrew
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew Miller               amiller@tasc.com
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Dual-homing on AppleTalk?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:09:35 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"As someone mentioned, AppleTalk is not really designed for
	multihoming without routing."

But it works if the multi-homed device is intelligent and can keep its
multiple ports straight.  The only conceptual problem is that you have
to advertise different NBP entity names out your different ports.  This
can confuse a Mac user who sees the same device appear multiple times
in Chooser.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: kamath@catenary.WV.TEK.COM (Sean Kamath;685-3399;63-356;657-5198;catenary)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: GatorBox and HP LaserJet IIIsi printing problems
Keywords: GatorBox, HP LaserJet, Tunnel
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:50:37 GMT
Reply-To: kamath@catenary.WV.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Wilsonville, OR


A little while ago I posted an article about having problems printing
to an HP LaserJet IIIsi on out ethernets.  I drew a little diagram and
everything.

Anyway, originally I thought it was HP's problem.  But it turns out
it's only kinda their problem.  It's really a GatorBox problem.  When
a packet goes into the GatorBox tunnel, it has the correct 802.3
bytecount length in the ingoing packet.  When it comes out, it's
incorrect.  To be explicit, the decimal 33 becomes a decimal 46. . .
Sooooo, I'm talking to Cayman Tech Support to see what I can do to
help.  But in a nutshell, you can't print to a HP LaserJet IIIsi on
ethertalk through an GatorBox tunnel. . .

Sean Kamath
kamath@pogo.wv.tek.com
From: don@bodovipa.cis.brown.edu (Donald Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: LaserWriter IIg and ethertalk problem
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:34:39 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nocmac.cis.brown.edu

We have a ethertalk network of new Mac IIsi's and two Laserwriter IIg
printers.  Also on this network, we have tried to connect a Shiva fastpath.
 With the fastpath on, neither of the printers show up in the chooser,
however the fastpath's zones appear.  If we turn the fastpath off, the
printers reappear, but of course we can't see the rest of appletalk network
beyond the fastpath.  If anyone has any insights into what might be the
cause of this, their comments would be greatly appreciated.

Don Wright, Network Systems Specialist    
Brown University, Providence RI
Internet: Donald_Wright@Brown.EDU
Phone:  (401) 863-7405
*** Talk is cheap, words plentiful, and deeds precious - Ross Perot ***
From: tjh+@CMU.EDU (Tom Holodnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Dual-homing on AppleTalk?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:59:49 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Do any machines support dual-homing on AppleTalk networks?  That is,
would a NetWare server (for instance) support AppleTalk connections on
two networks (without routing!)? 

Can anyone at Apple comment on whether this is a coming feature in the
AppleTalk driver?  If so, when? 

Thanks,
Tom Holodnik
CMU Network Development / Data Communications
From: ems@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Eric Sisson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP and Apple Internet Router question
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:30:14 GMT
Organization: University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
Originator: ems@odin


I have CAP running on my Unix system and am unable to see
LocalTalk LaserWriters on the other side of Apple Internet
Routers although I can see these LaserWriters in the Chooser
on a Macintosh.  I have no difficulty seeing LocalTalk
LaserWriters across a FastPath and no difficulty seeing
a LaserWriter IIg plugged directly into the Ethernet.  Is this
a known bug/feature, and is there anything I can do about it?

Setup:  CAP 6.0, patchlevel 126, running on a Sun SPARCstation 2,
        which in turn is running SunOS 4.1.3 (a.k.a. Solaris 1.1);
        Phase 2 EtherTalk.  Further details gladly provided.

Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone can offer.

-- 
Eric M. Sisson                        Internet:  ems@jackalope.mda.uth.tmc.edu
Programmer Analyst III                                    voice:  713-792-6466
Academic and Research Computing - Box 549                   fax:  713-794-5072
The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center
From: royboy@css.itd.umich.edu (Roy Hockett)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: MacTCP on a Plus
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:08:04 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu
Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

markf@KNOT.QUEENSU.CA writes
> >I am trying to run MacTCP on a Mac Plus and keep running into "Can't locate
> >Name Server" errors.  As I recall, there is a patch to either MacTCP or to
> >Appletalk that deals with this.   I would appreciate a copy of the patching
> >instructions.
> Get an updated versio of MacTCP, version 1.1.1 does NOT need the patch and
> fix some bugs with teh 68000 based macintoshes that cause them to crash
> when receiving some types of IP packets.
> 

There is a MacTCP+ tool on the archives either sumex or umich, and problably
many others that is needed to run MacTCP 1.1.1 on a plus.
I have several pluses using it and it work fine, but make sure that you
have it located in the control panels folder in sys7.
--
Roy Hockett            |  Internet: royboy@css.itd.umich.edu
Comp. Sys. Consultant, |  
University of Michigan |  Real men play football,
                       |  Intelligent men play SOCCER!!!
"Mexico lindo y querido, si muero lejos de ti, que diga que estoy
dormido y que me triagan a ti."
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Question : AppleTalk and LocalTalk
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:05:56 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <BzAK0K.95y@eis.calstate.edu> (comp.protocols.appletalk), jokim@eis.calstate.edu (Joon Y. Kim) writes:
> Can anyone help me with a very basic question? What is the difference if
> any between AppleTalk and LocalTalk? Mac Sale International is selling a
> LocalTalk Board for the PC for $25. The rep said it was made by Apple.
> Then I saw that Shreve Systems is selling a AppleTalk PC card for $49; the
> rep there said it is made by Apple as well. Which should I buy if I want
> to connect my Mac to my PC using the AppleTalk port built into my Mac? I
> have the MacTOPS software and want to set up a small "network" with my
> computers.

In the old days Apple created a network system for Macs and they called
it AppleTalk.  This covered the protocols suite and the hardware it
ran on.

As time went by, AppleTalk (the protocol suite) added other transport
media like Ethernet and Token Ring.  To clarify matters Apple renamed
the hardware LocalTalk and kept the name AppleTalk for the protocols.

So today you have AppleTalk the protocol suite running on top of a
variety of hardware media: 

	LocalTalk - the standard plug built into every Mac ever made.
	EtherTalk - ethernet
	TokenTalk - token ring

So the PC people are talking about adding "an AppleTalk port" are
talking about adding a LocalTalk port.

--  Michael Peirce      --   peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org
--  Peirce Software     --   Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place
--                      --   San Jose, California USA 95117
--  Drop by booth #4463 --   voice: (408) 244-6554 fax: (408) 244-6882
--  at MacWorld Expo/SF --   AppleLink: peirce & America Online: AFC Peirce
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Jamey Maze <jnm@ornl.gov>
Subject: ARNS/IPRemote problem
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A754EC2107018039@baloo.ctd.ornl.gov>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14: 22:25 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:22:31 GMT

I tried sending this directly to David Hornsby (both djh@munnari.oz.au
and djh@cs.mu.oz.au) and the smtp server kicked it back saying user
unknown.

We've setup a SPARCstation 2 (fudge) with arnsrd and I'm trying to use
IPRemote on a
Mac PowerBook 170 (candy) with a SCSI Ethernet adapter. (Later, I plan to
try it
using VersaTerm SLIP.) I'm having some trouble. When I use netwatch while
trying to connect, I see:

008019100a12>0800200f8b1e 0800   60 udp candy>fudge 60t  12345>384 17

0800200f8b1e>008019100a12 0800   70 icmp fudge>candy 255t unreachable
port 247.254.249.144

0800200f8b1e>008019100a12 0800   70 icmp fudge>candy 255t unreachable
port 247.254.249.144

0800200f8b1e>008019100a12 0800   70 icmp fudge>candy 255t unreachable
port 247.254.249.144

and then IPRemote says there's no remote appletalk service available. Can
you tell from this what I've done wrong? At the moment, I'm not using any
filter or
password. I have tried using "-2 -z Default". (I hacked arns.c so it
defaulted to le0.)

Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy)
Subject: Re: NCSA Telnet/MacTCP/Mac LC
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Organization: Yale U. - Genetics
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:15:01 GMT

In article <1gln72INN8la@calvin.NYU.EDU>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy
Smith) wrote:
> 
> gogan@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Jim Gogan) writes: HOWEVER, when using NCSA Telnet
> > with MacTCP, the TCP Window size supposedly used by the Mac (as shown in
> > the packet trace) is 4788; that just seems kinda odd to me.  Of course,
> > the rwin parameter in config.tel has no effect if you're using MacTCP.
> 
> 	I wonder if this is in any way related to the extremely slow
> performance we get with Telnet.  We run NCSA Telnet 2.4 and 2.5 on

And I wonder if this is related to the intermittant problems I
have with Telnet.  Sometimes we have a pair of machines that cannot
talk to one another via telnet; either machine can ping the other
so I *know* they have a working physical connection, and either
machine can operate via telnet with *every other machine* (here or
thousands of miles away) that I try.  The problem seems to be
related to initial protocol negotiation.

What's even stranger is that if I am trying to open a Telnet session
and it's not working, I can open a second ftp session to the same
host.  Not only does the ftp connection work *fine*, but once it
starts the problem with the telnet session suddenly goes away by
magic!?!?

The host involved is a Silicon Graphics workstation running
Irix 4.0.1 System V; the clients are Macs running NCSA Telnet
and MacTCP 1.1  (I know there's a newer version out, but thanks
to Apple's ridiculous new license policies we *cannot* afford it).


Matt Healy
"I pretend to be a network administrator;
 the lab net pretends to work"

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com (Greg Ferguson)
Subject: Re: ARA and in-line authentication
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Motorola
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:53:09 GMT

In article <brady-161292075059@jbrady.aero.org>, brady@osiapps.aero.org
(John Brady) wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried using an in-line authentication box (like the
> Digital Pathways Defender 5000) with ARA?
> 
> An in-line authentication box would sit between the answering
> modem and the ARA server.  The user would have to prove his or her
> identity before the authentication box would complete the connection
> to the ARA server.  I guess the real question is can the ARA client
> software support this dialog prior to completion of the ARAP connection.
> 
> 
>   Before authentication:
> 
>     ARA client --- Modem - - - - - - - - - Modem --- Defender 5000
> 
> 
>   After authentication (Defender finishes transparent connection):
> 
>     ARA client --- Modem - - - - - - - - - Modem ----- ARA server
> 																																																			^
>                                                    |
>                                                    |
>                                          The Defender is still
>                                          here, but "invisible"

I can't get into any specifics because my employeer would have to kill me
after I told you, but...

It is possible to do what you are asking. The ARA scripts have to be
modified to request the user's information that'd normally be provided to
your authentication system. By configuring the script to watch for the
Defender prompts, you can have ARA handle the login for your user.

We're not using the same hardware configuration or authentication system,
but
ours works. As a matter of fact, that's how I'm sending this note, via
NewsWatcher on top of MacTCP on top of ARA via a secured dial-in. AND I
LOVE IT!

Greg

Greg Ferguson
Programmer/Engineer
Desktop Networking System
SPS, World Marketing
Motorola, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: matth@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Matthew Hannigan)
Subject: losing icon positions, other strangeness (CAP6pl126,SunOS4.1.3)
Summary: CAP needs chown for finderinfo? why?
Keywords: chown CAP finder icon 
Organization: AODC, though I don't speak for them.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:49:33 GMT



G'day,
	I had problems with the top level CAP folder
losing icon positions.  And also, when you do a "New Folder",
it says not enough permission, but does it anyway! (after a delay)

I thought I solved it by creating .finderinfo and .resource
dirs in .., and making everything rw for everyone, rwx for everyone
for dirs. i.e. I now have
	/usr0/.finderinfo
	/usr0/.resource
	/usr0/cap-test
	/usr0/cap-test/.finderinfo
	/usr0/cap-test/.resource
	/usr0/cap-test/.ADeskTop
	/usr0/cap-test/.IDeskTop
owned by root, all with completely permissive permissions.

I still get the same problems, except when I run debugging.
(I guess because when you're debugging aufs, it still runs as
root).  I finally `solved' it by chown'ing everything to me,
and then mount the CAP vol on the Mac.

This is not really a solution!

I would be grateful for any help!
Email me to me and I will summarise.
(I read the FAQ and some source code, it didn't help)

Thanks in advance,
	-Matt
matt@aodc20.aodc.gov.au
matth@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
From: wes@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Wesley Craig)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Dual-homing on AppleTalk?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:37:14 -0500
Organization: University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu

In article <2334@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>But it works if the multi-homed device is intelligent and can keep its
>multiple ports straight.  The only conceptual problem is that you have
>to advertise different NBP entity names out your different ports.  This
>can confuse a Mac user who sees the same device appear multiple times
>in Chooser.

How much sense does a non-routing multi-homed node make in an
environment without any other routers?  So what happens when the only
router goes down?  It is easy (one could say trivial) to implement a
non-routing multi-homed AppleTalk node (NRMHATN?), as long as you
assume there is another routing node around.  The intelligence (magic?)
has to come when the net is in transition.  I have given this some
thought.

wes
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: timmer@dutiag.tudelft.nl (I. Timmermans)
Subject: Sending email from internet to applelink
Summary: I want to send email from internet or compuserve to applelink
Keywords: internet, applelink
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:40:30 GMT

Can anybody tell me how I can reach someone on applelink? I know the procedure to send email from Compuserve to internet and back but this should be possible for applelink too. 

Also I would like to know if it is possible to get someone's full name and telephone number when I have his applelink email addres. 

Thanks in advance
Hans Timmermans