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From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Can someone post Marlboro Challenge results?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:31:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hi All! Can someone please post the Marlboro Challenge results?
Thanks! :-)
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From: pjd3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAULO J. DASILVA)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Berger and the accident
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:43:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <29SEP199211162998@jetson.uh.edu>, st1hg@jetson.uh.edu (Atteberry, Ch
arles R.) writes:
>Funny when ever I go into the pits I raise my right arm above the
>cockpit so others behind can see I am slowing down.  It has been my
>experience that other drivers practice this same tecnique. \
>I have seen the tape Berger made now indication (other than application
>of the brakes) that he was going into the pits.  Patrese had been
>hounding Berger for the previous laps filling both mirrors on occasion.
>Berger had to know a pass was imminent.  What Berger did was STUPID
>whether he did it on purpose, one could hope not.  In my view he should
>be fined for not signalling.  If Patrese had followed a few more feet to
>the left his flight would have hit the pit wall more squarely and the
>result would have been bad.  He was lucky to clip the wall with his
>wheel otherwise he would have been on his top!
>Don't get me wrong I don't hate Berger I think he is a nice guy and that
>his actions are in his behaviour.  I just think he made a stupid mistake
>I don't think he was out to kill Ricardo.
>                                      Mac.
>
I don't feel that all the fault of the accident shold fall on Berger. I agree
that Berger should have signaled Patresse since Ricardo had been hounding him
for the last couple of laps, but Ricardo should have also noticed that Berger
had left the clean driving line and was traveling down the right side of the
track possibly to enter the pits. Berger could have been thinking the same
thing and figured a signal was not needed since he had opened up the clean
driving line for Ricardo to blow by him. In my opinion both are a little to
blame and luckily Patresse was not hurt.
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Porsche @ Indy, carbon fiber
Date: 2 Oct 1992 17:37:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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From article <BvHz9u.4EL@fang.att.com>, by agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)):
> We've come a long way from the leather helmets worn by Caracciola and
> Nuvolari.

Linen helmets were preferred in the thirties.  Check photos of Nivola,
Caracciola, Lang, etc.

Chris Prael
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From: ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds)
Subject: Senna test drive Williams
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:19:22 GMT

Apparently this was reported on Australian TV last week according to a
friend of mine...Is this true..I asked my friend if he may have misheard 
and instead it was Prost test driving..but he is adamant that he heard Senna.

Anybody ??

David
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From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:19:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: RE Desmo Debut
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

My apologies to the Gereeks! It would seem that its an English corruption
of a French corruption of a Grrekeek word.

Desmodromic valves perform exactly as do normal cam & spring valves except
for the means of opening and closing them. Desmodromics prevent valve
float at high revs and allow up to about 40% more valve lift because
the closing rate is not limited toby a spring return. In racing engines
the valve train is lightened and the spring rates greaterly increased in
order to raise the revs at which valve float occurs, unfortunately the
increased spring tension dramatically increases engine friction losses
as the cam is overcoming the spring tension. In desmodromics you only
have to overcome the inertia of the valve and actuator.

The Mercedes engine used a single cam with a double set of lobes, one for
opening and one for closing. The openinig lobe rode on a tappet like
structure on top of the valve and operated much like a standard
overhead cam. The tappet like structure was connected to a rocker
shaped like a V where the rocker had a pivot at the point of the V. The
other arm of the V rode on the closing cam and focedrced the valve and 
tappet structure closed. The rotating mass of the cam was increased but
the overall losses more than made up for this. The problem with this
system was the precision machinging required.



I hate it when this happens, sorry! As I was saying Ducati solved the
precision machining problem by a neat trick; they had the valves
close to 0.012 inches of the valeve seat and let the compression seat
the valve. Unfortunately the racing program was terminated when sales
had expanded sufficiently.

Bob.
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Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 11:37:50 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

>i don't know where it started from, but ayrton did state that  prost
>had in fact vetoed both 'me and himself' while waving a thumb at
>nigel.  this was in the bbc post-race interview after estoril... only
>shown in the highlights, as they ran out of satelite time :-)
 
... and Mansell nodded and patted Senna on his back.
Still I think Prost did not veto Mansell, but denied him nr 1 status.
And I think that that is the primary reason that Mansell left Williams.
 
(Because, if Prost vetoed Mansell, how can it be that at the last
moment Williams agreed to Mansell?  Although, on the other hand, maybe
Williams, at that time, was looking for a Senna+Mansell team and
leave Pros at Renault - Well I'm getting confused)
 
Frans
 
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Nazareth Grand Prix Results, PPG IndyCar World Series Standings
Summary: no spoilers
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:32:18 GMT

In article <7182989756362@c00369-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu> I wrote:
>                    Bosch Spark Plug Nazareth Grand Prix
>                           Nazareth, Pennsylvania
>
>Time:  1:03:07.969

Oops.  I meant:  1:33:07.969

Re: Michael Andretti's post-race comments.  I can't believe no one has pointed 
this out!  Michael blaming his crew for his own mistakes.... does that remind 
anyone of a current World Driving Champion who will be in Michael's seat next 
year?  Does it?

:-)

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From: andy@newton.cs.clemson.edu (Andrew J. Greenshields N3IGS)
Subject: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Organization: Clemson University Computer Science Dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:02:37 GMT

  Now that the F1 season is practically over and we only have two more
races and the messy politics to keep us (dis)interested, I would be
interested to know which drivers people rated the most highly and also
which tracks.  My top 5/3 list is as follows...

Drivers:
1. Ayrton Senna - Still has to be the best driver despite a generally
lacklustre compared to recent seasons.  I think that Senna could
probably claim Prost's title of "Professor".

2. Alain Prost - Even though he didn't race this season, Prost would
have to have lost an awful lot to drop from the top 3.  Probably not
as fast as either Senna or Mansell, but only just, he is one the
smartest drivers in the world.

3. Nigel Mansell - What he lacks in brains he makes up for in balls.
If he could think like Senna and Prost he would almost certainly be
a world champ many times over.

4. Michael Schumacher - I think Schumacher is as fast as Senna and
once he gains a little experience should be at top of this list.

5. Jean Alesi - Ivan Capelli, who is no slouch, has demonstrated
Ferrari's true position in the field this season.  It is a tribute to
Alesi that he has overcome his 'Red Handicap' to put himself 7th in
the points table.


Tracks:

1. Hungaroring - Critised by many as having no place to overtake, this
circuit often provides some of the closest racing action all year, and
as Senna and Mansell have shown, overtaking is possible in the most
unusual places.

2. Mexico City - Great circuit for high speed action.  The Parabolica
is the feature that makes this track great.  With the narrower tyres,
this should be even more exicting than ever.

3. Spa - This what all GP circuits should look like!  I just wish they
would get rid of that stupid Bus Stop Chicane.


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From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:04:00 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

One of the first things I learned at driving school (SCCA) and motorcycle
road racing was to "signal your intention to pit and/or slow down".  The
purpose of this is to warn anyone behind you so you DO NOT have an
incident like we saw this past weekend.

I truely believe Berger should have signaled his intention to pit.

Glenn
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:46:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Sep30.194617.6612
Organization: AT&T

In article <92273.124400JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>If that were the case then how come we did not see a closer battle
>between Mansell and Patrese? If it is all the car and nothing to do
>with Mansell, then how do you explain Mansells wins without a FW14.
>He has been runner-up twice for the WDC.

partese simply is not in the upper echelon of drivers.  of that
tier of drivers, i'd hand it to both senna and prost for being
able to overcome mechanical disadvantage, milking tires, and
making the motor and gearbox last the race.  one reason that
mansell has been runner up twice is because he simply breaks
the cars.

>How bout Prost. What a cry baby. He is no longer welcome at
>McLaren and Ferrari. Soon it will be Williams also. Imagine if
>he gets teamed with a driver that is as good as Senna or Mansell.
>A teammate he has to compete with. What will he do? Cry to Renault.
>Thats how he got the Williams ride to begin with.

i guess i see it from the opposite side...there's probably
a message for all of us in there somewhere...

>Mansell certainly has more charm than Prost. Prost will stab anyone
>and everyone in the back. Why doesn't he want Senna at Williams. At
>McLaren Prost said Senna got better equipment. Does he think that Senna
>is going to charm the Renault mechanics like he did the Honda guys?

indeed this bickering about who has the best car was
another example of how behaviors detract from the persona.
but as far as why he doesn't want senna at williams: probably
stems from those little scuffles they've had on the track.
your last point is well taken because for prost to even think
that senna has the ability to charm ANYBODY is ridiculous.

duane
From: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Drivers
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:18:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.97176
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: nicos@csa


A couple of questions first:

- Why did Senna have to go into the pits 3 times during the last laps of
  the Estoril GP?

- Why do ESPN commentators refer to Mansell as the "most popular F1 driver?"



About the drivers now:

   There has been only one post about Senna after the Estoril GP.
Are all the rest of you blind or what? The man is the best! No one comes
close to driving ability and skills (of those F1 drivers that participated
in the 1992 championship). Just the facts that he set fastest lap (almost one
second faster than Mansell) in an inferior car, and that he reclaimed 3rd
place so cleanly and quickly were, I think, mind-blowing.

   To the people that object to his technique of making it difficult for
other drivers to pass him, I can only say three things:
- He has never been considered dangerous, while doing this.
- He only does it when there is a point to it (see AS waive Mansell by earlier
  this year).
- Why don't you experience some racing yourselves to see what it is like...

   I was NEVER a big Senna fan, but the way things are (Piquet is out, Mansell
is not in the same class as Senna, Prost etc (again IMHO)), who can be better
than Senna?


   To those of you that answered my last question with "Michael Andretti",
think again. It's going to be a couple of seasons before Andretti becomes
competitive in F1 (if ever).

   To those that answered with "Alain Prost", I can only say "we shall see."
One thing we definitely do not need in ras is comments about used car
salesmen in Rio etc...



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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar News
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:43:49 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Bob Kehoe writes:

>For immediate release:
>
>Midland, Texas -- the Pennzoil Hall/VDS racing team has chosen
>sides in the escalating engine war on the IndyCar circuit for 1993.
>
>The selection is Chevrolet over Ford, as the Midland-based team will
>race a car powered by the yet-to-be released Chevrolet V8-C engine.

Since the early Sixties, Hall has used Chevy power everytime that Chevy
had a competitive powerplant.  I think we'll see Hell freeze over before
we see Jim Hall going to Ford when Chevy power can still win races.

When Penske jumped to AMC in the TransAm days, it was Hall who picked up
the factory support from Chevy.  And who was responsible for hooking up
Jim Hall with Chevrolet 30 years ago?  Roger Penske.

As for the Hall/VDS team's driver(s) next year.  Hall was very impressed
with Warwick during a recent test, but it looks like Warwick may replace 
Alboreto at Footwork.   Others include Johansson, Cheever, and Goodyear
for the ride.  And John Andretti still has a good chance at keeping his
ride while I think Johansson has re-signed with AMAX.

Dan Jones

Dan Jones
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:50:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5310
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1a5o34INNmqe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>In a previous article, koslowj@math.ksu.edu (Juergen Koslowski) says:
>
>>1. Mansell
>>2. Berger
>>3. Senna
>>4. Brundle
>>5. Hakkinen
>>6. Alboretto
>>7. Schumacher
>>
>>Patrese had a nasty accident when running into Berger's back as Berger
>>turned into the pits, around lap 40. But fortuantely Patrese walked away
>
>Did Berger get affected?
>What happened to Alesi?

I think Alesi just broke.

Berger got off apparently without a hitch.  He had a clean pit stop,
and was back out.  In the view of the crash from the right, one can
see Berger heading into the pits, Patrese now IN FRONT OF HIM,
airborne, as Patrese's rear wing (now detached) smashed into the wall
between the track and pit lane.  I hope Gerhard took a glance to his
left to see the results of his actions.

To answer someone else's question about Schumacher, his motor died on
the grid.  He got it re-fired, and had to start from the back of the
grid after the parade lap.

Some great driving was to be seen by many, particularly Senna charging
back after at least three pitstops right after the Patrese shunt.  He
blew past Brundle like a banshee, and set fastest lap a couple times.
The ESPN guys couldn't really explain why Senna had to pit so many
times.

This tape's a keeper.  The view out the front of Patrese's Williams
when all you can see is clouds and the semi-inverted grandstands is
amazing.  Too bad the microwave transmitter lost signal when he got
past vertical!

Jim
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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 30 Sep 1992 12:06:30 CDT

adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:

>>"I think that I shall never see,
>>A driver as great as Number 3!"
>
>Oh?  The man with 3 LAST place finishes so far this year?   The guy witha
>real good chance of not finishing in the top-ten in points?

>Yeah, yeah, 5 championships...but the King has seven...and 4 times as many
>wins...

> -Steve (A Bill Fan and a Bud Man) ;-)
>--

Remember when Bill couldn't buy a victory last year until July in Daytona
or until he dumped his family and signed with Junior?

Each driver has good and bad years.  Bill tore up the tracks in '85 but ended
second to another Bowtie Man at the Waldorf that year! (Go DW! ;-) )

Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
From: dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Any motor sports in Iowa???
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:46:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep27.184649.19511
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Iowa is a hotbed of stock car and sprint car activity.  The zenith of
the sprinter season is the Knoxville Nationals in Knoxville...

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From: D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk (Simeon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Portugese GP Q2 report
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:13:13 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91909178@occam

In article <5574@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A) writes:
>
>Apparently, Mansell's off on Friday was caused by Hydraulic pump failure, which
>caused the suspension to collapse, and also locked the gearbox.  It recurred
>this morning, with the gearbox jamming in 6th in Nigel's spare car.  Could
>this be the start of reliability worries for Williams?
>
During the race James Hunt said that he had been told by Williams
that the problem is that a small plastic part in the pump is breaking
because of engine vibration. The pump is mounted on the RS4 engine
whereas it was on the gearbox of the RS3. Williams say that the vibration
is a result of the engine having to be tuned to go 400-500 rpm higher
because of the change in fuel.

(Notice I have said nothing about the race :-)



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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Team USA in the Brands Hatch FF1600 Festival
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:35:23 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

This article is copied without permission from the Motoring News from
a couple of weeks ago.

Team USA has chosen Tony Ave and Ashton Lewis to represent the
United States in the 21st annual Formula Ford Festival at Brands
Hatch on October 23-25.

The programme is entering its third year and has already achieved
widespread recognition through the efforts of first year driver
Jimmy Vasser and last year's representative Bryan Herta, who 
finished 11th out of a field of nearly 200, the best finish by
an American driver in more than a decade.

Ave, 23, from Hurley, Wisconsin, is currently leading the SCCA
Oldsmobile Pro Series for Sports 2000 cars while Lewis, 20, from
Chesapeake, Vancouver, is second in the IMSA Zerex Saab Pro series
and is hailed Stateside as a major new talent.  Ave and Lewis were
selected from a group of seven drivers who tested at the Snetterton
track in England in August, and will drive brand-new Van Diemen
RF92 chassis in the Formula Ford Festival.

The cars will be prepared by John Village Automotive and will
utilise engines supplied by Jay Ivey, of Portland, Oregon.  The
effort's primary sponsorship comes from Valvoline, with additional
support provided by TrueChoice, Milkhouse Cheese, TWR, Bobby Rahal
and Primus Racing. A third car will also be run, although no driver
has yet been chosen.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: rs3596@sarah.albany.edu (Robert B. Scott)
Subject: N. Wilkesborro
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:25:41 GMT

How is the race going?  Stuck here at work with no TV acess.  Help...

Thanx in advance,

Rob...
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Misc. Racing News
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:58:51 GMT

IMSA:  Shoppers at Sears, Montgomery Ward and other consumer 
electronics retailers across the country can now watch IMSA
Camel GT sports car racing footage from permanent and temporary
circuits in the U.S.  IMSA and AdVenture Media, Inc., together have
produced several segments, 3 to 6 minutes in length, showcasing racing,
driver features and a season overview.  IMSA's racing segment is part of
a 30 minute loop distributed on laser disc to Sears.  Movie previews, 
music videos, commercial/promotional spots and other major league sports
segments are included in the 30 minute loop.  The discs are played on tv
sets displayed from store-opening until closing.

Off-Road:  Toyota and BFGoodrich Tires have announced that, beginning in
1993, BFG will be the tire sponsor for Toyota's factory sponsored
off-road teams, which competes in both desert and stadium events.  The 3
year agreement involves a variety of advertising, marketing and public
relations campaigns.  The racing program will continue to be run by Cal
Wells' Precision Preparation, Inc., Toyota's off-road representative for
10 years.  The combination of Wells and PPI has produced eight
consecutive Manufacturers' Cup Championships and six driver's titles in
the Mickey Thompson Off-Road stadium series, not to mention 28 checkered
flags in SCORE and HDRA desert events.


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From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Portugal
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 00:42:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: Conspiracy theories: Patrese

Richard Banks writes:

| In 1992 at the Portugal Grand Prix, Mansell has perfect pit stop, the
| crew does their job and gets him out with no problems.
|
| Then Patrese pits and something goes wrong on his left rear.
| I'm not accusing anyone, but I wonder if a Williams member purposely
| disabled the air jack?  The air jacks worked fine for Mansell.

This sounds a bit too much like the thread about Patrese's car being
disabled by remote control by Renault engineers at Monza that we all
had to add to our kill files.  I think *maybe* the jack just failed.
(Or maybe it was the work of the CIA :-)

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