HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ga@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Geeta Abeysinghe)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Oracle Manuals for sale
Summary: Oracle version 7.0 manuals for sale(new)
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:01:11 GMT

I have the following ORACLE manuals (version 7.00)
The developer's Release Version of the Documentstion (Brand New).


ORACLE RDBMS (V 7.0) Documentation set: 

1.  Database Administrator's Guide, Volume 1	(#17)
2.  Database Administrator's Guide, Volume 2	(#17)
3.  Database Administrator's Guide, Volume 3	(#17)
4.  Error Messages and Codes			(#17)
5   Utilities User's Guide			(#17)


ORACLE (V 7.0)Language Documentation

6.  Programmer's Guide to the ORACLE Call Interface	(#18)
7.  Programmer's Guide to the ORACLE Precompilers	(#18)


and also

8.  ORACLE RDBMS Version 6 to Version 7 Migration Guide	(#28)
9.  Performance Tuning Guide				(#28)
10. ORACLE for Unix Technical Reference Guide		(#28)
11. ORACLE Parallel Server Administrator's Guide	(#40)


The whole set for #225

All prices are in Sterling Pounds



Geetha Abeysinghe                              
Department of electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
Highfield                              
Southampton SO9 5NH.                     Telephone : +44 703 593116
                                         email:      ga@uk.ac.soton.ecs
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Sainsbury flight offer
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:06:13 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: University of Durham

In the spirit of the season, has anyone the details of the BA / Sainsbury's flight offer? 
I know if you spend so many thousands of pounds on food at Sburys that you get .00x% off
on BA flights, but don't know the exact numbers.

Anyone?  Anyone?

Scott


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:45:20 GMT

In article <1ghrj4INNdj1@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> rap@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Richard Porter) writes:
>In article <Bz5uov.30n@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>>Since I had just got off the tube from the Olympia about 15 minutes before
>>I posted that, I resent the suggestion that I'm lying.  Thats how long
>>it took.  Long wait at Olympia, long wait at Edgeware Road at the end of
>>the District line.  Left Olympia 5 to 4 when they kicked everyone out; got out
>>at Kings Cross just after 5.
>
>You were obviously a bit unlucky on this occasion, but the implication of your
>posting was that it normally takes an hour to get from Olympia to Kings Cross.

It is usually a safe assumption (particularly if you are making a
connection or a meeting) that getting from anywhere to anywhere on the
Tube takes at least 45 minutes.  If you don't change trains knock of
5--10 minutes.  If the station is the next one down the line... walk.
B^>/2.

Damon
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Glad I Don't Drive
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:46:30 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:
> Ridley McIntyre (gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk) wrote:
> : Yep. Ever had a list of threads that involve nothing but motorised transpor
> 
> It's a free(ish) newsgroup.  If you don't like the choice of threads,
> start one that does interest you.

Why should those with no ideas be disallowed from posting?  That's no
"freedom".  We should force everyone who reads uk.misc to pay an idea tax,
which we could then spend on employing people to create ideas for new
threads.


mathew
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From: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk (P.Owens,C20,3492)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsx.dl.ac.uk

> pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk (P.Owens,C20,3492) writes:
> > fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
> > >So? Since the people that travle will be paying the tolls directly, they
> > >won't be charge for the tax thus saved. It balances out except that you
> > >also save on the government bureacracy involved in the forcible
> > >collection of the tax.
> > 
> > If your going to start talking about efficiency now then it must
> > be cheaper for the government bureacracy to collect a pound in
> > taxes than it is to collect a pound from a toll booth.
> 
> Similarly, it's much more efficient for Robert Maxwell to provide a pension
> scheme for all his employees than to have them all take out their own
> independent schemes.

Which could just as easily be run by a crook like Maxwell.
(Or are you recommending an improved state pension scheme :-) )

> And it must be more efficient to have the government of the Soviet Union
> distribute all goods via a single national chain of GUM stores than have lots
> of independent competing stores using different distribution methods.

Just because I think that some things are best run by government it doesn't
follow that I think it should run everything. I could just as simply extrapolate
your views to imply that everybody should be responsible for running their own
army - say allong Yugoslavian lines.

---
Pete Owens
P.Owens@daresbury.ac.uk
From: sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:33:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Dec16.115843.21006@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>
>In this case, motorists don't like cycles and pedestrians -- they are
>slow, take up space, and get in the way.  No reason to give them a free
>'ride', particularly if it is going to annoy your paying (driving)
>customers, who then might take their business to the next road over
>where they are not as common.  If you eliminate them, you don't need to
>provide extra space (pavements) for the pedestrians, and you make the
>motorists happier.  Free market forces mean, therefore, that you've got
>to charge them, or disallow them.

Or have a separate (far, far cheaper and safer) toll cycleway system...

In a free market, there would be demand from cyclists for such.

>No argument there.  But as I said above, this isn't an argument against
>roads, it's an argument in favour of an integrated transport system.

We could also do with an integrated energy policy...

I'm quite happy to pay the tolls passed on for consumer goods, just not
taxes which pay for the private cars...



-- 
--Simon Proven sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk
  Health warning: being in a car can damage your health (BMA)
From: alant@spider.co.uk (Alan Turland)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:08:28 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <29634@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>Agreed, but I think this is the point of a free market. Resources are
>scarce in the sense that there are more people wanting things than there
>are things. So those resources have to be allocated somehow. The
>capitalist idea, which made the west richer than the rest of the world,
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>says that you should trade your resources for the resources you want.

Do you have a reasonable argument to back up this assertion. Ie why do
you believe that the capitalist idea of trading for the resources you
want has more to do with the relative richness of the west, rather than
say the colonialist idea of just taking the resources you want by force?

alan
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Libertarian philosophy (was Re: Transport...)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:13:14 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <29612@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
> 
> Buy one share in Nestle and ask difficult questions at shareholder
> meetings.
> 
> Buy lots of shares in nestle and get the directors, and therefore
> policy, changed.
> 
> Start a competitive company that follows the policies you'd prefer.
> 
These assume money, time and an ability to find someone who has a Nestle's
share to sell. 

> Boycott nestle products and advocate that others do the same.
> 
This is something simple which I am sure Emma already does. (BTW, I suspect a
letter to Nestle's would reinforce the disapproval: they are not going to
notice one consumer stopping buying their products but they might notice some
letters telling them of boycotts)

> Educate the victims to avoid nestle.

And that requires an ability to go to every third-world country and visit every
woman in that country and explain personally that breast-feeding, which is
old-fashioned and possibly painful is much better for them and their children
than this wonderful new milk substitute these kind nurses are encouraging them
to use.
> 
> 
> The shareholders are allowed to tell him how to spend it, and they are
> in fact, simply people who are interested in that road.

And people who have enough money to influence decisions about that road.
> 
>> (so long as he makes a
>>profit for his shareholders 
> 
> That's the job of a director.
> 
Which is why some things are too important to be left to the directors of a
company to do.

>>- and note that this is not necessarily
>>going to benefit the rest of the world)
> 
> Maybe not, but it's not his job to do that.
> 
Which is why there must be restrictions on what a company director can do.
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:19:09 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:
> mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
> : The point is, if you want all medical treatment costs to be covered by the
> : people responsible for the accidents then that's fine.  Because if a bike
> : hits a pedestrian, the worst you're likely to see is a minor fracture or
> : dislocation or a nasty cut -- and according to the statistics, it's the
> : *cyclist* who usually gets injured.
> 
> Yes, but plenty of accidents involving cycles and cars are
> partly/completely the fault of the cyclist.

If I leave little bottles of nitroglycerine on the road, and some damn fool
goes and knocks one over, the resulting explosion is entirely his fault. 
Therefore he should pay, right?

Or are people who want to drive deadly armour-plated boxes around at high
speeds instead of getting on the train going to accept that there might be a
downside to doing so?


mathew
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From: steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:12:24 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:

: The point is, if you want all medical treatment costs to be covered by the
: people responsible for the accidents then that's fine.  Because if a bike
: hits a pedestrian, the worst you're likely to see is a minor fracture or
: dislocation or a nasty cut -- and according to the statistics, it's the
: *cyclist* who usually gets injured.

Yes, but plenty of accidents involving cycles and cars are
partly/completely the fault of the cyclist.  Who pays for the
cyclist's medical treatment/funeral?  Ditto peds and cars.  Hence I
think rather more than your #1 levy on bikes is needed if we want to
make the responsible party foot the bill.  (Not that I really think
that's practicable, or even desirable).

: What sort of obstacle?  Do you, like many drivers, think you have a God-given
: right to overtake bicycles wherever and whenever you like, even if it means
: running them into the rear or side of a parked car?

Certainly not.  I also don't believe that cyclists have a God-given
right to veer round parked cars without looking, or for pedestrians to
cross the road without looking.  Although the manoeuvre is predictable
to the aware driver, it is still very dangerous since an unfortunately
large proportion of drivers is not very aware!

Putting your safety in the hands of someone else is bad enough when
you can't avoid it, but when all it takes is a look over the
shoulder..!  Who is responsible when a hapless cyclist doesn't look
and a dozy driver does not predict what is about to happen?  Well,
both of them I suppose.

I have a wide-angle mirror on my cycle which makes life so much easier
(and safer).

-- Steve
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From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:52:59 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>All of which leads, really, to my claim that you shouldn't
>worry about how many D/As it has; instead, you should listen to it, and
>worry about what it sounds like.  There's very little you can predict
>about a CD player by looking at what technology it uses.

Quite right too.  I quite like the performance I get from my
antique Philips CD104 player.  Despite the fact that it doesn't
have one of these ubiquitious remote controls provided for all the
couch potatoes to loose down the side of the chair.
-- 
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From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: Transport subsidies - Was: Car Parking
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:37:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.131024.2839@lsl.co.uk> snail@lsl.co.uk writes:
>In article <29521@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>> pho@mserv1.dl.ac.uk (P.Owens,C20,3492) writes:
>
>Another senario of course (very paranoid, this one, I admit) would be to allow
>free exit from the house across the land, but to charge a fortune to get
>back. Then the person can't use their property and could be forced into 
>selling it at a unrealistically low price, since no one could use it. Of course
>the land owner of the surrounding land is going to be the prime purchaser in
>such a situation. Money is power.


** I know this is on a different tact, but you cannot purchase the land 
   around another person's piece of land and completely cut it off
   and then try to force them to pay to enter their land across your land.
   The law will not support the alienability of land and would find an 
   implied easement granted on the part of the buyer in favour of the 
   seller. There are several complex acceptions to this rule. However, 
   in general it can be applied in most circumstances where the above
   facts apply.

   Sorry...but I thought people might be interested to know, that's all.



   
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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:05:40 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <ciNVVB18w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:
>> mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:

> Face it -- nobody sells LPs because nobody buys them.  99% of people think
> cassettes or CDs are better for one reason or another.

Thats the nub of it. Nobody makes them because the nobodies that don't make 
them have marketing departments that tell us what is good for us. These
departments also tell other department where they think the next market is.
Its no coincidence that people like Sony are buying people like EMI, so that
they can control what formats will be available and when and for what music.
It's all down to marketing in the end.

>> The reason that vinyl has virtually disappeared is that the manufacturers
>> could
>> (1) Charge significantly more money to sell something that costs
>> significantly less to produce
>> (2) Make vast additional sums of money by re-releasing the entire 
>> back-catalogue (which has already paid for itself) at further exhorbitant
>> price
>> (3) Use the excessive price of CD to drive up the costs (to the record-buying
>> public) of the remaining media (compact cassettes).
> [...]
>> And guess what? It's about to happen all over again with DCC!
> 
> (1) won't work.  DCC costs more to make than CD.

In the case of DCC, yes. He was addressing Vinyl.

> (2) won't work.  There's no motivation to replace your CDs with DCC; you can
>     just tape them yourself.

Yes :-)
> 
> (3) might work, but so far DCC is the same price as CD.

Hopefully it won't. Its up to the marketroids.
-- 
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From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Glad I Don't Drive
Organization: Coventry Metropol Tactical Division, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:41:25 GMT

In article <20751@acorn.co.uk> steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:
>Ridley McIntyre (gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Yep. Ever had a list of threads that involve nothing but motorised transport?
>
>It's a free(ish) newsgroup.  If you don't like the choice of threads,
>start one that does interest you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Q.E.D.

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Dave Plumb)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)                  
Cc: dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dplumb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:35:00 +0000

In article <29426@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes: 
> >London Records Trail 
> >===================== 
> >Start at Kings Cross 
>Shouldn't that be Mornington Crescent to finish? 
 
I can't beleive you seriously quoted so much to add a one line comment... I 
realise you edited some of it, but why not just quote the last part! 
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:36:35 GMT

snail@lsl.co.uk wrote:
: 
: How? Cds are cheaper to manufacture. The cases are pressed plastic (chaep)
: and they are light weight (so cheaper to transport) and smaller (so you can
: move more) and they cost about 2 to 3 times the price of an LP.

Interestingly the volume occupied by a CD (in its plastic case) is about
equal to a 12" record in a card sleeve.
Only CDs in card envelopes actually take up less space than records.
In standard packaging there is not much in it so far as bulk is concerned
: 
: And you say the profit margin is greater on an LP. Where do you get that from?
: Even the record industry moguls recognise CDs are cheaper for them to make.

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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Record shops (LPs)
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:07:55 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1992Dec14.112427.10631@fmg.bt.co.uk>, pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:
> mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
> 
> : Oh, do be serious.  If people wanted to buy records, the manufacturers would
> : make them.  
> 
> If you really believe this, then I have a bridge that you might like to buy.
> 
> The reason that vinyl has virtually disappeared is that the manufacturers
> could
> (1) Charge significantly more money to sell something that costs
> significantly less to produce
> (2) Make vast additional sums of money by re-releasing the entire 
> back-catalogue (which has already paid for itself) at further exhorbitant
> price
> (3) Use the excessive price of CD to drive up the costs (to the record-buying
> public) of the remaining media (compact cassettes).
> 
> mathew is right about one thing: the recording industry exists to make
> money. 
> 
> And guess what? It's about to happen all over again with DCC!

Oh thats all right, its a free market, the price never really goes up,
especially when people get a reduction in taxes does it? :-)
-- 
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                "I use dbx..."
                "Oh really, we use Dolby C..."
Motorola inside.
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Any excuse to search you at gunpoint (was Re: More cameras)
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:18:28 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <cH3eVB5w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
|> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
|> > The situation is getting worse: Newcastle turned on TV cameras monitoring
|> > the streets in the centre of town today.  Well timed announcement, politicall
|> > I thought: we have to beware that we don't let our antagonism to the IRA
|> > lull us into allowing the govt to become more and more repressive.
|> 
|> Normally Graham Toal's stuff is a bit paranoid even for me, but the following
|> news item caught my attention:
|> 
|>       Vehicles Checked by Armed Police
|> 
|>       Scotland Yard says 83 vehicles have been stopped in London
|>       in two nights during an anti-IRA operation.
|> 
|>       It believes an IRA cell is operating from the East End and
|>       it has set up armed roadblocks to check for vehicles
|>       carrying arms.
|> 
|>       Operation Rolling Rock was started two weeks ago, police
|>       said.
|> 
|>       Out of the 83 checks, three people were arrested for
|>       possession of cannabis, but there were no arrests in
|>       relation to terrorist offences.
|> 
|>                                              -- Ceefax
|> 
|> Now, I may be missing something, but it strikes me that the sort of searching
|> you might reasonably do to look for large quantities of explosives is not
|> going to uncover small quantities of cannabis.  Or is it just a case of "Any
|> excuse for a strip-search at gunpoint?"
|> 
|> 
|> mathew
|> -- 
|> Lung cancer and arteriosclerosis.
|> For people who like to smoke.

I thought the same so imagine my horror when they set up armed road block in
the centre of Manchester (well less than 5mins walk from actual centre)! Mind
you, I was on a bus and they didn;t bother to stop them  -  lack of brains 
somewhere I think!

Michael