HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: Re: IFF24 to Toaster
Summary: Now using the PSFC 
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:45:54 GMT

Well, at this point I'm still having the odd problem with outputting an
Imagine anim to tape.  To recap - we're trying to use a Toaster to output a
series of IFF24 frames rendered in Imagine, using an M-II deck (Panasonic
AG-65 I think) and we've ordered the Personal SFC.  

We got the SFC this morning.  It seems to work with the AG-65 well enough
(well, we haven't ACTUALLY got it working, but I think we will).  The
problem is elsewhere - as people told me, the Personal SFC does have the
facility to load IFF24s into Toasterpaint for dumping to tape automatically.
But just like loading them in by hand, Imagine IFF24 files will crash
Toasterpaint.  I suspect this is the extra hunk(s) Impulse puts in to record
creation date, rendering time and etc.  This does not confuse
properly-written IFF readers such as ADPro, but it will crash Toasterpaint.
If you load them into ADPro and save them right out with no other
operations, they'll load into Toasterpaint just fine.

Well, unfortunately, I haven't yet gotten 'round to learning AREXX enough to
just hack up a script to do this with all 140 frames (guess I get to learn
tomorrow!).  But I've never seen mention of this before, anywhere, and
noplace in any of the manuals of the relevant software is this noted either.
I'm using Imagine v2.0 and Toaster 2.0 as well.

I'm definitely outputting IFF24 images in 752x480 from Imagine, too.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: takeuch@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Travis L Takeuchi)
Subject: Psychedelic Animations
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:54:34 GMT


Hi folks!
	A group of associates and I are planning on holding a rave in the near
future. One idea that we had was to rent a couple of Wide screen televisions
and run psychedelic animations during the rave. Does anyone here know of any
programs (PD) or demos that contain psychedelic animations?
	Thanx in advance,
	Dominic, using Travis L Takeuchi's account





From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:24:53 GMT
Subject: Re: IFF24 to Toaster
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics



	I use CanDo as an arexx control front-end to load IFF
	sequences into ToasterPaint.... and then to control
	the single-frame record....   It's not as snappy as I'd
	like, but it is hands-free... and I can dump about 60 images in an
	hour....

	I have run into a distressing problem though....  for some
	reason sometimes IFF 24's get screwed up as they load into 
	ToasterPaint....  I can often get around this by attempting to
	load the image a few more times... and for some reason, it loads
	just fine, but about 15 percent of the images I attempt to load
	have this problem.  I believe that the image files themselves
	are o.k., and that TPaint is screwing up...

	Anyone else have this problem?

	-Mike-
From: Daniel_Frost@f232.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Daniel Frost)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: MPEG
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:34:34 +0000
Reply-To: Daniel_Frost@f232.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Daniel Frost)
Distribution: world
Organization: 
OD-Comment-To: All

Could someone mail me some info about MPEG?


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From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: HAM-E/HAM-E plus owners
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:26:12 CDT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Jul22.043752.19930@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP) writes:
> Dear all HAM-E/HAM-E plus owners. A new hardware from ROMBO is out.
> (named VIDI-AMIGA 12) It is an ultimate low cost digitizer for Amiga. No
> filters and no separate RGB splitter. Color images can be captured in less
> than one second, mono images are grabbed in real time.
>
> feature:
[ stuff deleted ]
> WB2.0 compatible.
> It is a must buy for all HAM-E/HAM-E plus owners.

So who makes it and how much is it?
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From: bugs009@bugs.mty.itesm.mx (Isaac Guajardo Leal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: SIGGRAPH'92 and AMIGA ...
Summary: Is the Amiga (Commodore?) going to be at SIGGRAPH'92 ?
Keywords: SIGGRAPH
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:14:13 GMT

Do someone know if Commodore and/or special interest groups on the Amiga
are going to participate at SIGGRAPH'92 next week ? Also, third party
vendors for the Amiga (Like Newtek) ? ... I read here that there is
going to be a meeteing on Wednesday ... any news ?. Thanks in advance
and see ya' at SIGGRAPH ...

          Isaac (PSYCHO) Guajardo
         bugs009@bugs.mty.itesm.mx
"The one who dies with the most toys wins!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: roachp@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: Multiple Screens
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:35:04 GMT


From: 
Date: 24-JUL-1992 11:56:31
Description: Re: Multiple Screens

In article 23JUL92,spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) writes:
>Seeing as the A2024 connects to the only RGB port, then this is not possible.
>However, if you are using an A3000, then you can plug a VGA or Multisync
>monitor into the 31kHz(VGA) connector. This would give you the same display 
>on both monitors simultaneously, so you could use the A2024 for your main 
>work, and the second display for your colour work. But you can't get two 
>different displays at the same time. ie you can't have your A2024 workbench
>on the A2024 AND DPaint onthe Multisync at the same time.

I have two monitors hooked up at the same time, as described above, but when I
switch from a low res. screen to high res. the MultiSync monitor can not handle
the lower frequencies (10-15 khz), flickering me to madness. 

Addtionally, I have just purchased GfxBase's GDA-1 graphics card. The main 
purpose for this purchase was compatiblty with X11 X-windows. I'm hoping I 
will be able to split the displays, although it really isn't a priority.
Does anyone have an opinion on the GDA-1 card?
Peter.
UnderGround Research Labs.
Atomic Energy Canada, Ltd.
Manitoba
From: DBQ@cup.portal.com (DONN FREDRICK DUBUQUE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: IV24 and OPALVISION owners
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:12:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The video toaster is a composite only device, I was talking about
professional applications.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: ProPage 3.0 looks like Windows!
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:26:37 GMT

In article <712429304.AA9335@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
(Paul Miller) writes:

>Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that ProPage 3.0 looks and
>functions JUST LIKE WINDOWS! Right down to the STUPID 3D button (the
>kind that when you push it in, the title shifts down and to the right -
>yeah - REALLY realistic). No 2.0-look windows. Really slow menus and
>dialog boxes that function on my A3000 like a 286 running Windows.

This program provides numerous examples of how to deviate from style-guide
compliance and furnish the user with an awkward and aesthetically distasteful
interface. But if you think this one is bad, take a look at Pro Draw 3.0.
Not only does it have the liabilities of PP 3.0, but it manages to create
some of its own. In the meantime, the competition (Pagestream & ProVector),
have been migrating to the 2.0 look-and-feel.

>(Sorry about the flame, folks, but I just couldn't believe that such a noted
>company would just decide to redefine the way an Amiga program should
>behave - I wonder if they every heard of the Style Guide...)

I think your perspective is one that we all have to take. CBM has already
indicated that 1.3 support will no longer be guaranteed and that all products
should already have been modified to fully function under 2.0. Within a
short period of time, 1.3 products will be two generations removed.

Mark

P.S. You missed a good discussion concerning AD Pro and Imagemaster in the
     same context :).

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From: vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VAILLANCOURT)
Subject: Re: Want vista, but not sure.
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:00:51 GMT

-> Isn't that stupid, though, since here in Canada, most Amiga 
-> dealers import Euromags?  Well, since we're still loyal to the 
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-> Queen and all, I guess we have closer ties to Europe, "EH?"  :)  (
   ^^^^^
-> Just had to add in a "Canadian-ism.")

	Shit! Speak for yourself.... 90% of Quebecois have the queen right
up where the sun never shines. 


	Marc
       
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: billw@bilver.uucp (Bill Wiatroski)
Subject: Re: New Denise chip & Toaster
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:57:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.150727.21702@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>
>I am in the process of buying a Toaster (store demo) and
>upgrading my 2000.  I am thinking of getting a 2 meg fatter
>fatter ;-{) Agnus and maybe the newer Denise chip.  I read
>somewhere that the reason the Toaster didn't work too well with
>3000s was the something about the newer Denise chip.  Is that
>correct?  Was the problem corrected in the new Toaster software,
>or is/was it a hardware fix which the older Toasters don't have?

 The problem was indeed fixed with the 2.0 relaease of the Toaster
software, however, Commodore has changed the Denise again, which
can lead to dark cg screens and other wierd effects. According
to Lee Stranahn, a fix from Newtek is forthcoming.
>


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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: OpalVision
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:24:18 GMT

In article <14mulcINNnbj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)  
writes:
> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
> >The device can run a 24 bit buffer at 768
> >x 480 from just the data available on the RGB port?  I'm not
> >contesting the video slot version, but the RGB port? 
> 
> No, it is a real frame buffer.  The 24-bit image is created and
> held internally, but the external device is *CONTROLLED* through
> the RGB port in this case, and the data appears either above or
> below the video data coming over the port.  It works just like an
> external GENLOCK in this sense.

It's got to get all its data from the RGB port if that's the
only connection to it.  I'm aware it has its own memory, but
it's got to be filled via the RGB port if that's where it's
connected.

> >784 * 482 * 30 * 4 = 45346560 bits per second
> 
> But, unfortunately, the video bus would be unable to cope with a
> continuous stream of raw data at this speed.  :-(

Your RGB port does it all day long.  Scary, isn't it?  But to
feed a box hanging from your RGB port, you need to push the
data in through the Amiga's screen buffer.  You can't push
as fast as it pulls.  So, I'm asking, how fast can expect to
push data to OpalVision? 

I ask because they claim the Amiga 500/600 version hangs
from the RGB port instead of being a card inside the
machine.  If there's another connection to the unit, my
questions are answered. 

> >So what's the scoop?  Tell me tell me tell me.  I think the
> >makers of OpalVision are not telling us the whole truth.  I
> >want numbers and I want explanations that match with
> >reality.
> 
> Like I said, the image data is created in the device.  They don't
> advertise 30fps animation in 24 bits, so don't expect to get it! :-)

My "image data" is most certainly not >created< in the
device!  If I load an image from disk, it's got to go out my
RGB port to get into the buffer.  That's what I'm talking
about.  I question the throughput of this connection.  

I'm aware it's held out there, but it has to >get< there. 
That seems problematic to me, but it really depends on how
they encode the data.  That's what I want to know.

I especially want to know how I can change OpalVision's
buffer while I'm displaying useful stuff on the Amiga's
screen. 

(Maybe I didn't make myself clear.  I think I'm pretty up on
the forces at work here.  I know what a frame buffer is and
what is and is not available on the Amiga's RGB port. :-) )  

ab
From: skeeve@pongnet.chi.il.us (Noam Ben-ami)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: IFF24 to Toaster
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:23:06 CST
Organization: Temple of Pong

There is a very easy way to do it.
I use the Toaster, PSFC, and AG7750 VTR. The PSFC will readily control the
Toaster, by loading IFF24 images into Toasterpaint for recording. THe process
is extremely simple.
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Digitizing from VHS videocassette
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:47:22 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

What is the best way to digitize frames from a VHS videocassette,
into 24 bit IFF's.  I would like to do it from a running casette,
because freeze frame on the VCR I would use jitters a bit.

-Roger
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From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: ImageMaster <-> ADPro printings
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:29:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Ed Hanway,

yes, you understood correctly; you get to do the scaling and choose the
level of resolution yourself.

Each preferences for each printer responds differently; my suggestion was,
and still is, set the printer prefs for the best output from something like
DPaint, which uses standard printing approaches, and you should get good
results from Imagemaster.

As far as AdPro goes, you do need to direct your questions to Perry, of
course.

Ben
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: eha@phoenix.oulu.fi (Esa Haapaniemi)
Subject: Re: Real3D
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 05:41:57 GMT

napo@cs.hut.fi (Hannu Napari) writes:
> 
> Iltap{iv{{. Mik{h{n t{m{ maininta er{{ss{ artikkelissa Real3D:n
> porttaamisesta SGI:lle oli? Mik{li t{m{ pit{{ paikkansa,
> ilmoittaudun v{litt|m{sti vapaaehtoiseksi betatestaajaksi. 8)

Min{ mailasin tuon aluper{isen jutun, ja sain tiedon Henri Talaskarelta,
joka on RealSoftin betatestaaja Amigapuolella (v.2.0 on jo n{hty :).
Kyll{h{n meill{kin olisi mahdollisuudet SGI version testaukseen, mutta
ilmeisesti sen testaus suoritetaan samalla kuin porttauskin...Jos olet
kiinnostunut voin ottaa selv{{ kuka tuota ty|t{ tekee ja miss{, ehk{
voisit ty|n puolesta avittaa ???
> 
> Peruutus: en kirjoita t{t{ ty|nantajani (Silicon Graphics Finland)
> nimiss{, vain ainoastaan omissa nimiss{ni.
> 
Ehk{ ty|nantajasikin olisi kiinnostunut ?

> Vastaukset osoitteeseen napo@sgi.fi.

Mailasin t{nne, jotta juttu saa suuremman julkisuuden. 
BTW hinta-arvio oli vain heitto.

Esa Haapaniemi
Oulun yliopisto
Kemian laito
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: napo@cs.hut.fi (Hannu Napari)
Subject: Re: Real3D
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Jul23.143950.11045@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:13:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.143950.11045@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>From article <1992Jul23.054157.3407@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, by eha@phoenix.oulu.fi (Esa Haapaniemi):
>> napo@cs.hut.fi (Hannu Napari) writes:
Foreign blaablaablaa removed...

>Right!

My mistake... F and R are too close on the keyboard for my
stubby little fingers. 8)

I should have read the headers to make sure that I was mailing the
reply instead of posting it.

My apologies to everyone who were offended by the use of a foreign
language. 8)

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From: jkrutz@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Jamie Krutz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Real Time 24 bit Anim Playback
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:54:49 GMT
Organization: AvailTech

Attention Mark Thompson:

Sorry for the public post but my mail bounced.  Others may be interested, 
too...

You mentioned a graphics board which you are involved in producing in your 
message about SIGGRAPH.  You mentioned real time playback of 24 bit anims.
So...what's the x/y resolution?  30fps really?  from a hard drive?  how much 
will it cost?  what amigas does it work with?  when will it be available?

Inquiring minds _need_ to know.

Thanks,
 -Jamie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: flui@fraser.sfu.ca (Francis Wai Gee Lui)
Subject: Re: FAX to Prof Draw Trace?
Keywords: Professional Draw Trace FAX FAXmodem
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:40:36 GMT

In article <j2km1hm.gmz@netcom.com> gmz@netcom.com (Gerry Zeitlin) writes:
>I had been hoping to be able to use my fax machine and faxmodem
>as a poor man's scanner to get images into Professional Draw's
>Trace utility via IFF files.  Trace would then produce structured
>drawings which could be imported to Professional Page as clips.
>
>Unfortunately, Trace cannot handle the IFF files produced by GPFax,
>the software that I'm using with my Supra FAXmodem, because the
>files have "too many pixels".  I also failed to find any graphics
>software on my disk that could handle these files.
>
>Is there a utility for reformatting these IFF fax files?

Yes, almost.  ProDraw 3.0 (I got my upgrade notice a week ago) has an "improved
autotrace".  "Convert bitmapped illustrations to Professional Draw's jaggie-free
structured format with greater accuracy and no size limit," the notice says.
There are many other new features (but probably not as many as ProDraw for
Windows), so you're welcome to e-mail me if you want the whole list.

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From: ranjit@synopsys.com (Ranjit Padmanabhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Questions about the H-P Deskjet 500C printer
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:02:48 GMT
Organization: Synopsys Inc.

I was pondering the purchase of an H-P Deskjet 500C, and had a few questions
I was hoping I could get some help with. If this discussion has already
graced this newsgroup, I apologise, and request copies of the relevant
articles.

1) Can I just buy an H-P Deskjet 500C, hook it up to the Amiga and expect it
to work with a standard printer driver selectable from Preferences? If not, is
a printer driver available? Can I use it with Workbench 1.3, or is 2.0
required?

2) I have noticed that Amiga dealers charge about $700 for the 500C, while PC
dealers charge less than $600. Is there a reason for this, for instance, is the
version sold by the Amiga dealers outfitted with any extra ROMs, software?

3) What exactly is a PostScript printer? Is this something that can print
PostScript files? Do most Amiga word-processors generate PostScript? Is this
an issue with the 500C?

4) Assuming I plan to generate 80% text (B/W), and 20% colour output, is the
500C a reasonable choice? Quality is important, and I do not want streaky
colour prints.

5) What is the highest-rated word processor for the Amiga 2000? I would like
recommendations based on "bang for the buck".

Please e-mail responses or post, to this newsgroup, comp.sys.amiga.graphics.

Thanks very much,
Ranjit
ranjit@synopsys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: rda753x@nella11.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Jones)
Subject: Anyone using DKB still?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:12:12 GMT

   I am getting back into DKB now after a bit of a break (decided to learn how
to program...). I was just wondering if anyone knows of sites for objects or
object converters or anything that has popped up for DKB.

   TA (email preferred)

   Richard.
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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: FAX to Prof Draw Trace?
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul28.000802.26
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > Is there a utility for reformatting these IFF fax files?

How about PageStream or DPaint?  Either one should be capable of converting
the resolution of the images you have.  What softwar egenerates the fax
images in the 1st place?  


        -=- Ed


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: riddle@dri.com (Riddle)
Subject: distant_suns to printer
Organization: Digital Research Inc
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:23:32 GMT

Distant Suns can only dump the screen to an IFF file.

How do I "image process" that dump into something that when printed out
looks let the skymaps in "Sky and Telescope" only better?


I have ADpro and have tried the NEGATIVE operator and COLOR-TO-GRAYSCALE,
with very limited results.

 I also don't understand how to change:

1. Background colors (several shades) into white/transparent(whatever color
   won't waste the printers time).

2. How to change the stars, planets, objects, constellation outlines and
   all the names into ONE nice black color.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: HAM-E/HAM-E plus owners
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:48:20 GMT

A new shareware fully functional raytrace package for HAM-E/FireCracker
owner called Pov-Ray1.0. It can produce photo quality 3D graphics and
has a separate version for IBM and MAC. You can grab one from
alfred.ccs.carleton.ca /pub/pov-ray/pov-ray1.0/*.lzh.