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From: farid@mem.odu.edu ("F. H. Miandoab")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Armenian-Azerbaijani Conflict- A Commentary from Islami Birlik
              Magazine
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:05:41 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

Source: ISLAMI BIRLIK, July 6, 1992- By Ahmad Sajedi (An Iranian publication)
*****************************************************************************

WITHDRAWAL: ARMENIANS' INEVITABLE FATE

News indicate that as a result of the planned Azebaijani counter-
offensive, Armenian forces are retreating from towns, villages and districts
as the advancing Azerbaijani Army marches on. During recent days and weeks,
there is hardly a day when one does not hear of Azerbaijani victories in
Karabagh and of Armenian forces abandoning the positions captured earlier
in the fighting...The battles of the last two weeks have demonstrated
the unshakable determination of Azerbaijani Army to preserve the sovereignty
of their newly declared independent republic...

Today, in the new world order, nations do not accept change in geographical
boundaries and will not recognize usurpation of other lands by force.
Knowingly or unknowingly, Armenians trampled upon this internationally
recognized principle and attacked Nagarno-Karabagh with the idea of
annexing it to Armenia. In a moment of ecstasy, they were even drawing
the map of a greater Armenia and predetermining its borders. Many politicians
in Trans-Caucasia knew fully well that the Armenians' fortune star was bound
to fall...

Without a doubt, a majority of 3.5 million Armenians, having been freed
from Communist slavery for some seventy years and feeling the taste of
freedom, is not willing to sacrifice to their aggressive rulers' whims,
the lives of their youth, who could be involved in the process of
revitalizing their economic, political and cultural bases in order
to establish a new prosperous country for their future generation.

--Source: ISLAMI BIRLIK, July 6, 1992, p. 2. Commentary by Ahmad
Sajedi--
From: cosar@anatolia.mn.org (Ahmet Cosar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: My apologies to Mr Zaphiridis
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:48:53 GMT
Organization: anatolia.mn.org


I would like to present my sincere apologies to Mr Zaphiridis Christidis
for posting the below article under his name. A copy of my posting will
also be mailed to him since there is too much delay on the propagation of
my SCT articles.

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: 'Zap*' Of IBM -- A Mouthpiece For 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' : Expose'.
Date: 11 Aug 92 16:48:45 GMT





<Bsv57x.DvL@rice.edu>
patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L. Humphrey)

>Get this garbage out of soc.culture.soviet, Muttlu.  NOW.

Well, you are barking up the wrong tree. There is no doubt in my
mind that if 'Zap*' and the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism 
Triangle stopped sending in those weekly paychecks, there would be no 
more articles posted by 'mutlu' to 'Humphrey-land.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: coville@h114.desy.de (Arnaud Coville)
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Organization: none
	<1992Aug11.190126.25227@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
	<1992Aug12.220119.14110@src.umd.edu>
	<Aug.12.22.48.02.1992.24647@pilot.njin.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:40:28 GMT

In article <Aug.12.22.48.02.1992.24647@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:


   The reasons can be sought in Control Theory:

   1) Positive feedback is neither necessary nor sufficient.
   2) Negative feedback is both sufficient and necessary.

   Which means that if you want to stop crime you have to provide
   some negative feedback (which is necessary). And it certainly
   would be nice it positive feedback could be employed alone but
   it is not sufficient.

   If you want to think about it for a while, think about why police
   forces are necessary in every country and will always be
   necessary. If it wasn't for all the negative feedback (i.e.
   jails, sentencing, punishment, judges) and all the 'force'
   that backs it up in the form of police and firearms, no
   country would be able to exist in any form that resembles
   what we associate with civilized society.

If you are trying to stabilize a system,  control theory says that negative 
feedback will do it. But negative feedback means feeding the opposite of 
what the system does. It has no moral judgement in it. So the Control
theory would rather contradict your statement. That was just a remark on 
control theory, the problems in BH are mch more severe.

Arno
From: cza@maestro.bellcore.com (Cengiz Akgun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Test
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:40:40 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Bellcore (Red Bank, NJ)

Test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
From: hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu)
Subject: The Jews Were Massacred Along With The Turks.
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:28:14 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.




<2440@israel.nysernet.org>
warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)

>You know, I, and perhaps the other readers of scj don't really care
>much whether the Greeks or the Turks win the prize for having been
>more anti-Semitic.

But, 'PXP111' is a compulsive liar and should be exposed as such.

  <<The Greek War of Independence brought disaster to the Jewish communities
  in the Peloponnesos, where the revolution erupted in 1821. The Jews,
  because of their close association with the Ottoman administration,
  were massacred along with the Turks. The Jewish communities of Mistras,
  Tripolis, and Kalamata were decimated; the few survivors moved north to
  settle in Chalkis and Volos, still under Ottoman rule. Patras lost its
  ancient Jewish community, which was refounded only in 1905.>>


                                         Nikos Stavroulakis
                                      'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: SDPA Hypocrites
Date: 22 Aug 1992 17:10:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug22.121742.7294@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>> And the Muslims of Nagarno-Karabagh want to RETURN to their homeland. And
>>they want to be able to LIVE in their homes.
>
>How many persons are we talking about? How many Muslims were borned
>in N-K but now live elsewhere? How many are they in comparison with
>the Armenians living there today?

 If I remember correctly, there are about 50 000 or more displaced Azeris
from Karabagh or surrounding regions. They constituted about 20% of the
population. And I think this number reflects the ones who were born there.

 Of course, my purpose was to compare a people who don't want to be displaced
and a people who were already displaced.

 Sadi Turgut
-- 
Disclaimer: My opinions are only mine. They are not necessarily
shared by the other members of my nation, ethnic group and/or religion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: 'Zap*' Of IBM -- A Mouthpiece For 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF' : Expose'.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:10:35 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><Bsuo5w.Dv6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>Darn. 'Tamtam' machine is down again. By the way, your criminal 'IBM-clown'
>>>has already demonstrated ample willingness to put his foot where his mouth 
>>>his (repeatedly so). Besides, his crimes will not go unpunished.
>>>Now, any comment?

>> Comment? Of course !
>> As I said, lots of idiots. So, who is the idiot answering to me?

>G-d must love the common 'palikarya;' He made so many of them. Well,
>Jewish scholars have utterly humiliated you on this point; I don't 
>need to add anything here.

 So, who is the idiot answering to me? 

>Hasan B-) Mutlu

---> Panos Tamamidis
^^^^^---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^ Attention !!!!!!!  Be aware of the following new viruses:            ^
^ Konecni     virus: Similar symptoms with Mutlu virus                 ^
^ Shopov      virus: Repeats himself, and at the end says "No Regards" ^
^ Sommarskong virus: Doesn't do anything, but you can't get rid of it  ^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: irfan@APOLLO.ECE.WISC.EDU (Irfan Alan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Nonsense of KOCABAS
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:24:00 GMT

>Are you people the new messangers of an unknown god, revealing  
>some such new words as if you knew something which hasn't been  
>revealed to the last prophet of the God ?  
>Bring your proof!  
>Bring your book!  

Nonsense. We did not even claim such a thing.
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: List clean-up
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:24:00 GMT
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19 aug 92
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: U.S. Sources On The Armenian Genocide Of The Turkish People.
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:38:52 GMT





<16n29gINNh3m@agate.berkeley.edu>
sachs@lhasa.berkeley.edu (Rainer Sachs)

>Mutlu's posting policies are explicable if he is trying 
>Ito stir up anger against Turks or discredit Turkish policy.
>Not otherwise.  Any reason to believe that he actually 
>has such a hidden agenda?

What is the significance of this statement? So wonderfully rotten,
elegantly sad, and melancholy and nostalgic and all.

Source: John Dewey: "The New Republic," Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9.

"they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian 
 invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
 fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least
 a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: hbm@ddsw1.mcs.com (Hasan B. Mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: How long will Greeks remain uncivilized?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:29:00 GMT



<Bt58ry.CCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

> You dare to talk, when Turkey's involvement in Cyprus is still alive?
> The fasist, racist, and guilty state of Turkey should first learn Turks to
> close their big mouth. Which you have to do since you are GUILTY.

This joke will open the skies to mankind. While there is a new world
order emerging, to turn around and ask the Turkish Republic of Northern 
Cyprus (TRNC) to dance with an old world tune would not solve any 
problems. Who is ready to claim that 'Greek Cypriots' are not hating 
the 'Turkish Cypriots?' Insisting on not recognizing the TRNC as a 
separate republic and push them to get together with Greek Cypriots
is no different than asking each and every one of the new republics 
of old Soviet Union, Croatia and Slovenia in Yugoslavia to go back 
to the old status quo.


Source: Statement made by Mr. Evangelos Yannopoulus - the Greek Minister
	of Maritime Affairs, ELEFTHEROTIPIA, July 4, 1988

       "The two myths in Cyprus must be exposed as lies. The first myth 
	is the case of missing persons and the second is the myth of the 
	invasion of Cyprus by Turkey. The Greek Cypriots presented as 
	missing persons were actually the victims who were killed during 
	the Sampson Coup. As regards the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, it 
	was the Greek military that staged the coup and toppled Makarios 
	at a time when he was an internationally recognized President of 
	Cyprus. How is it possible to topple Makarios and start slaughtering 
	the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and impose a mad man like 
	Sampson to head the Cyprus Government and yet expect no reaction 
	from Turkey?"

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: to BEKTASI like Kocabas or Irfan   
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:12:23 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
Where in the Quran it reads something like:  
  
> whatever Allah SWA revealed to Moses (pbuh) as Torah  
> and to Jesus (pbuh) as Injil did not remained same.   
> Irfan.  
  
where in the Quran the words of the God (Moses=Musa/Torah=Tevrat/  
Jesus=Isa/Injil) are used something like you used them ?   
WHERE ? WHERE ?.  
  
Listen to your words again:  
  
> whatever Allah SWA revealed to Moses (pbuh) as Torah  
> and to Jesus (pbuh) as Injil did not remained same.   
> Irfan.  
  
...bring your book Man!  
  
> ------------------------------------------------------------------  
>   
> Say, " Bring the Torah and read it, if you are men of truth!"    
>   
> -----------------------------------------------------------------  
  
and I say to you:  
  
"Bring the Quran and read it, if you are men of truth!"   
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From: KELLY@SUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Jews Were Massacred Along with the Turks
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:46:13 GMT


  <<The Greek War of Independence brought disaster to the Jewish communities
  in the Peloponnesos, where the revolution erupted in 1821. The Jews,
  because of their close association with the Ottoman administration,
  were massacred along with the Turks. The Jewish communities of Mistras,
  Tripolis, and Kalamata were decimated; the few survivors moved north to
  settle in Chalkis and Volos, still under Ottoman rule. Patras lost its
  ancient Jewish community, which was refounded only in 1905.>>


                                         Nikos Stavroulakis
                                      'Athens-Auschwitz', page ix.

Nejat
From: berrin@cs.dartmouth.edu (Berrin Yanikoglu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Learning Turkish
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:30:16 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi,

Does anyone know of any computer applications that are designed to
help learn Turkish? (tutorials, online dictionaries etc.) This is
for an American who knows some Turkish and wants to improve/practice. 

Please email me since I don't read this newsgroup.

berrin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Takke dustu, kel gorundu..
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:44:36 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Hey Irfan !
takke dustu, kel gorundu...
bir daha Allah'in kelimelerini agzina almadan once, agzini uc defa calkalamayi
 unutma...bu dini de sahipsiz, basi bos birakilmis cahillerin insafina 
terkedilmis sanma...simdi Allah'a tovbe et ki basina bundan daha buyuk 
yukumlulukler yikilmasin.
ves-selam.

|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp)
Subject: Re: TSYD Kupasi Maclari Hakkinda Ayrintili Bilgi ?
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:44:36 GMT


Armagan'in altyapi ile ilgili dusuncelerine katiliyorum. Fakat
basari veya basarisizlik goreceli (relative) kavramlar. Fener'in
gecen sene BJK'ye gore basarisiz oldugu dogru, zira BJK sampiyon
Fener'de ikinci oldu. Biz de BJK'yi basarisindan dolayi tebrik ettik.

Buyuk takimlarin arasinda gecen yil ligde oynanan maclari burada bir kez 
daha hatirlatmakta fayda var unutkan arkadaslar icin:

FB  2  BJK 2  (BJK 90 dak.'da tartismali bir golle beraberligi yakaladi)
BJK 1  FB  0  (gol 90 dak.)

GS  0  FB  2
FB  5  GS  2

FB  4  Tr  1
Tr  3  FB  2

ve FB ikinci oldu. Bu durumda su basarisizlik hikayelerini yeniden
bir gozden gecirmek gerekiyor.

Bu seneki spor yazarlari maclarinda da takimlar ideal kadrolarini
aramakla mesgul. O yuzden fazla buyutmeye gerek yok. Duydugum
kadariyla takimlar 5'ser oyuncu degistirme hakkina sahipmis,
cogu yeni oyunculara yer vermisler filan. Onemli olan ligler
basladiktan sonra kazanmak. Gecen senede FB spor yazarlarinda 
kotu oynamisti, sonra ligde bunun pek bir onemi olmadigi goruldu.

Her neyse son bir not olarak, orta alanin yetersizligini goren
FB, spor yazarlari maclarindan sonra tekrar Gerson ile anlasti.
Gerson'un FB icin onemi boylece anlasilmis oldu. Su siralar ise
antrenor degisikligi gundemde.

1. lig bu hafta basliyor (8/22). Ilk hafta maclarindan bazilari 
soyle:
-------
Trabzon		-	Sariyer
Fenerbahce	-	Bakirkoy
Besiktas	-	Karsiyaka
Genclerbirligi	-	Galatasaray

Butun takimlara bu sezonda basarilar.

Murat


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From: sadi@physics2 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mr. Mutlu, what is your point?
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:46:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <Bt9J92.K2F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>>and I wonder what your real purpose is.
>
> Recently, Turkey has tried to improve its relations with Israel.  Mutlu
> got his order and material from his boss to start posting material 
> "proving" that Turkey has protected Jews, while Greeks have tried to
> "eradicate" from Greece.
>
> In the mean time, some propaganda about Armenians, Greeks, and Kurds, is
> in his program ...
>
>>-- 
>>   |)  David Charlap          

 Please ignore this guy. He is a Goebbels wanna-be. In the
recent past he posted a wild assumption without providing any hard
evidence. Then, he repeated this assumption several times, but this time
without even mentioning that it is the product of his mind. In this way
he thinks people will start believing his theories.

A while ago a netter wrote the following about this person:

<1992Jul28.080338.23279@enea.se>
sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)

[]And? There are quite some Greeks, including you, who post a lot of
[]misinformation. Concluding from a e-mail discussion I had with
[]Panos Tamamidis it seems that he does not think that correctness of
[]facts is a virtue. At least when his side present in the incorrectness.
[]However this is an opinion I don't share, and furthermore I tend to
[]correct inaccuracies when I see them.

 What he is trying to do is very clear. For this reason, I don't even need
to say that his claims are false.

 Sadi Turgut
-- 
 "True Confessions -- Life in Soc.Culture.Turkish"
 "Kemalist demands more than a Turk!"
                 -- Non-Sequitur virus 
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