HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: company listing
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:49:57 GMT
Reply-To: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25811

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 KH> Is anyone aware of an existing listing of companies and
 KH> manufacturers  that deal with adaptive technology for the
 KH> disabled ie computers/speech  synthesizers/scanners etc.

 there used to be and still is a book in braille something like access
 resources or something that cost $15 that had all those goodiews in
 it.  no longer have it and don't remember the name someone else might
 know.
 tandy

... Help!  I'm a prisoner in a tagline factory!
=== Via Silver Xpress V3.01

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From: goldman@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Jonathan Goldman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Assistive Devices for differently abled or disabled
Keywords: assistive devices databases commercial
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: goldman@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Jonathan Goldman)
Organization: University of Illinois, Chicago
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25804

I am looking for any sources people might have on databases or
information leading to databases containing commercially available
products in the "assistive devices" category that are used by differently
abled people.

If anybody has any information on data bases that can be accessed
through the internet, IBM PC based bulletin boards, or Compuserve,
it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

	Replies can be sent via e-mail to:	goldman@bert.eecs.uic.edu

-jon goldman

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From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Speech and Lotus
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:52:07 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25824

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 CT> I heard a lot about the braille and speak.  What is a braille and
 CT> speak actually and what does it do?

The Braille 'n Speak is basically a small, portable, braille word
processor that speaks instead of displaying the braille.  One brailles
into the memory in grade 2 braille, and the BNS speaks it back to you if
you request it.  You can print from the BNS, either in print or braille.
With the disk drive, you can store files on disk, either in the braille
format, or as a text file.  The newest version of the BNS even has a
spell checker, which is really neat.  I couldn't live without my Braille
'n Speak now!  I keep all my appointments and other important stuff on
it.

Carol

... Mary had a little RAM -- only about a MEG or so.

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From: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jay Croft)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: BRAVO!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:26:02 GMT
Reply-To: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25729

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 > because they are deaf.  Maybe the reality is that they just don't
 > accept the fact that they have to make an effort (i.e. learn
 > lipreading) to be part of the MAJORITY.  It's called INTEGRATION.

Just about every academic program for deaf children includes
lipreading instruction.  Some become more proficient at it than
others.

There are also other factors.  Moustaches, smoking, shadows,
rapidity of speech, accents, fatigue, emotions all affect
lipreading.

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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail Brookhart)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: dog control
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:16:22 GMT
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail Brookhart)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25625

Sorry if I offend but I have to speak about this one:

GET YOUR GUIDE DOG LICENSED.  It is the law and it is for your own safety.
If Sony ever wanders away by him/herself or is "helped" to wander away,
that little tag will be a big help.

In addition, if the agency where you got the dog did not tatoo all of the
animals, I STRONGLY recommend that you have the dog tatooed with either
National Dog Registry or Tattoo-A-Pet registration of the number.

There are a lot of wierdos out there and it is your responsibility to
protect that dog from them.

Flame me all that you like but for the little bit of trouble you won't take
to get a license for your dog, it will be even more trouble for you if Sony
disappears!

Gail Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Cochlear Implant Controversy
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25730

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 JO> 60 minutes will broadcast lead segment on the cochlear implant
 JO> controversy tomorrow, Sunday 11/08/92.  Ed Bradley will interview
 JO> Harlan Lane, Roz Rosen, Caitlin Parton (6 1/2 year old implant
 JO> recipient), Caitlin's parents and doctor, and Diane Brackett of
 JO> NY League for HoH.  7 pm Eastern, 6 pm Central, 7 pm Pacific on
 JO> CBS.  Watch it!

I watched it!  And I'm so glad I did - I thought Caitlin was so
delightful and further proves what I've been saying all along
about cochlear implants.  I liked what her parents had to say -
reminded me a lot of mine during my childhood years.  :-)

I was not very impressed with Harlan Lane and Roz Rosen's
comments.  It would be a real shame to ban cochlear implants
for children.  Did you noticed that Ed Bradley didn't spend
much time on their negative comments?  ;-)

Thanks for letting us know in advance because I certainly would
have missed it.  I've not had much time these past few weeks to
watch TV but I did make an exception Sunday evening.

Glad to have you back - hope all is well with you and Ret.

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From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Pride or Regression...
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:23:01 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25708

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 PR> The ADA (American Disabled Act) was passed not too long
 PR> ago and I understand the 'right' term to use is "Disabled."

The terminology "Disabled" was being used long before the ADA
passed, however, those a part of the "Deaf Culture" do not
consider deafness/hearing loss a disability.  It is FACT
that hearing loss is a physical disability even though it is
an invisable one.

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From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Cards In Bars
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:14:25 GMT
Reply-To: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25798

In article <25723@handicap.news>
Gladie.Farquharson@f550.n250.z1.fidonet.org (Gladie Farquharson)
writes:

   Also, I wonder about the difference between verbal(?) english and ASL
   english as mentioned in the "help with signing" messages.  Would it
   be better if I wrote messages in verbal (?) english or in my guess at
   ASL english?   Does that make sense?

My understanding is that if you are writing something for a deaf
person to read, then you should use normal written English.
However, if you are signing to them, then you will probably be
best off using ASL syntax, rather than using ASL signs but
English grammar.  There is, however, much debate here over
whether deaf people should use ASL or Signed English.  Signed
English proponents say that SE helps deaf people communicate
better with hearing people in writing because they are more
familiar with English syntax.  ASL proponents say that ASL is an
important part of deaf culture and is more elegant as a sign
language.  From my limited experience as an ASL student, I side
with the ASL proponents.  It is really a beautiful language, and
I cannot see how native ASL signers are at any more disadvantage
with learning English than speakers of other languages who learn
English as a second language.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: Hugues.Blanchet@p0.f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Hugues Blanchet)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: BRAVO!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:26:46 GMT
Reply-To: Hugues.Blanchet@p0.f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/136.0 - Ab.'s Place, Montreal PQ
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25734

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Jay Croft to Hugues Blanchet <=-

Well hello Jay!!!

 JC> There are also other factors.  Moustaches, smoking, shadows, rapidity
 JC> of speech, accents, fatigue, emotions all affect lipreading.

Yes indeed!!!! I don't know Jay but somehow, it seems to be easier for
me to read women's lips!!! Why is that??? Is it because they are more
expressive then men? Or that their faces are more attractive? <G>

Regards,

Hugues

... Documentation - The worst part of programming.

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From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Is this true??
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:51:49 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25822

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Glen Sepke to Christopher Hill <=-

 GS> I have just saw a demo of OSCar.  They didn't mention anything about
 GS> that, although I didn't ask directly.
 GS> I can't see TSI doing that, because it would definitely limit their
 GS> potential market.

 I have OsCaR, and it is true that it is designed to work well with Vert
 products.  I tried using Isos with it once, and was not successful.  I
 believe other speech programs could work with OsCaR, but they would
 have to be set up specifically for it, or to put it another way, a
 configuration would have to be written to make them work well with it.

 Carol

... Catch the Blue Wave!

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From: Jim.Graham@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: re: sympathectomy part 1 of 3
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:13:27 GMT
Reply-To: Jim.Graham@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25846

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

WB>How did your visit go?  Along with you, I too hope that getting
WB>the letter prior to the visit rather than during the visit didn't
WB>turn them off.

The letter saved a lot of time, in my opinion.

The neurosurgeon and the psychologist were somewhat sympathetic with
what I said, but chose to remain "neutral" in terms of recommending
amputation.

I expected that.

I first talked with the psychologist, and he suggested a compromise.

His suggestion was that I go through 1 month of physical exercise
at my local PT department, to get in top physical condition for whatever
happens.

His speculation was that IF my pain problem has become a "learned
pattern" (ie is now totally in my head), then the exercise should
definitely stop it in no more than 1 month's time.

I said ok.  Seemed perfectly reasonable to me, even if he was trying
to sneak a little bit of pain management on me :-).

I then spoke to the neurosurgeion.  He took one look at the foot and
leg and said "Yup!  You've definitely had a sympathectomy."  I mentioned
that the sympathetic nerves that were removed were sent to a pathology
lab to verify that they were the correct ones....hmmm...and the lab
report stated that they were AND that there was "noticeable thickening"

I found out that RSD produces a physical "thickening" of the sympathetic
nerves.

Boy is Mayo in trouble! :-)

The neurosurgeon also claimed neutrality concerning amputation and
stressed that it may not work, since the sympathectomy didn't.

I knew this, of course, and told him so.

He too suggested a compromise.  He suggested that I try a dorsal column
stimulator on a temporary (ie external) basis to see if it might work.

I wasn't aware that this was possible, so my stubbornness about
amputation softened a little.

I told him that I was willing to try that.

Finally, I attended a conference with the neurosurgeon, psychologist,
and the private nurse hired by Workmen's Comp.

During the conference, the DSC option was discussed.  However, the
exercise idea was thrown out the window.

Additionally, the nurse said "Jim, I'm here to tell you that Workmen's
Comp. absolutely will not cover any surgery that produces increased
disability".
Continued next message...

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From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: DOOGIE HOUSER, M.D.
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:28:40 GMT
Reply-To: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25746

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Did anyone out there see the Doogie Houser TV program last week?
(For those of you not familiar with the program, Doogie is a genius
kid who became a medical doctor at the age of 16, although he's a
little older now since the program's been on a few years.  In
addition, he speaks 7 languages, and knows just about everything.
Yeah, just your typical 16 year old kid!)

Anyway, Dr. Doogie also apparently knows ASL, and he meets and
dates a young deaf woman.  Since he's a doctor, he tells her about
cochlear implants, and she is tested.  Unfortunately, she is not a
good candidate for the surgury.  Doogie wants her to try anyway,
and they fight.  Doogie's friend Vinny brings them back together,
and Vinny (who is a filmaker) makes a silent movie starring the
three of them.

I thought it was interesting that this show was the same week that
Sixty Minutes did THEIR show on implants.  Did any one else see
this?

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From: janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Artic
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:16:55 GMT
Reply-To: janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25682

What you need is already available.  Although what's on the market
now may certainly bear improvement, I heartily suggest you
investigate currently available systems before you get too involved
in re-inventing this particular wheel.  Having said this, let me
make some general suggestions to you:

     1.)  Blink Talk is perhaps not the best source of experienced
advice on this subject.  Most folks in this echo will only have
experience with the speech synthesizer component of your
requirement -- and most of us are willing to sacrifice some
intelligibility of speech for faster speech.  This conflicts with
your concerns.

     2.)  Try other echoes, like the Able Echo, and ask for
people's experience.  There's no better source of information than
your peers who already have experience.

     3.)  The Artic Transport is certainly the most transportable
speech synthesizer because it is thin and fits nicely on a notebook
computer.  This may not be your most important consideration,
however.  I don't know your circumstances, but if you're a wheel-
chair rider, Transport's thinness probably isn't that crucial.

     4.)  Artic Transport is not the most intelligible synthesizer
on the market.  I would think this is very, very important to you.
Most people who do not work regularly with talking computers find
it hard to understand what such systems are "trying to say."  This
is even true with DEC Talk.  I would put any of the portable
incarnations of Doubletalk above the Transport, including Lite Talk
from MicroTalk of Louisville, Ky, telephone 502 897 2705.  But, DEC
Talk is the hands-down winner for intelligibility.

     5.)  There are a handful of vendors in this business.  For
starters I recommend you contact Prentke Romich (see below).  They
produce word-prediction software, infra-red links, and other
interesting products that may help you.

     6.)  Contact both the IBM Center and the AT&T Center for
additional pointers.

Good luck!

                    Janina Sajka, WIDNet Manager
                    World Institute on Disability

AT&T Special Needs Access Program
AT&T/NCR
3033 Chaimbridge Rd, B202
Oakton, VA  22185
Telephones:    800 342 5251/voice
               703 691 5131/TT
               919 230 0691 (International)

IBM National Disability Center
P. O. Box 2150-H06R1
Atlanta, GA  30301-2150
Telephone:          800-426-2133

Prentke Romich Co.
1022 Heyl Road
Wooster, OH  44691
Telephone:          216-262-1984
From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: dog control
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:50:40 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25815

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BK> Hmmm, maybe you live in the wrong city, anyway it wasn't a hassle at
 BK> all here in boulder.  I was in and out in 15 minutes.

 Well, a hassle, in my book, is going anywhere I'm not familiar with.  I
 know that a lot of people will be contemptuous of me for admitting
 that, but I have a terrible fear of going to places I am not familiar
 with, and do it as little as possible.  My psychiatrist keeps telling
 me that that is very limiting, and I know it is, but the anxiety wins
 out every time, except if it is absolutely necessary to do it.  And the
 thing is, I am good at mobility and that sort of stuff.  I can
 intellectually tell myself that I should, and that BK> The interesting
 thing though is that the license is not free for dog I can, and that I
 must do it, but the fear wins out most of the time.

Actually, I am not absolutely sure that a license is free for a working
guide here.  I could do it at my vet's, but I never think of it when I'm
there.  I always rationalize that the tag with my name and address and
phone number on it is sufficient.

Carol

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From: Sharon.Allsup@f361.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Sharon Allsup)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Clerks in stores
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:50:10 GMT
Reply-To: Sharon.Allsup@f361.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/361 - Den of Procrastinat, Herndon VA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25812

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 MD> The other thing you might try doing is the next
 MD> time the management of that store refuses to help
 MD> you, get the date, time, and who it was that refused
 MD> to help you and write your regional chamber of
 MD> commerce or better business bureau ... I followed up
 MD> like that once with great results.  But anyhow, I see
 MD> is like this:  if the management of a store are going
 MD> to be jerks, than they really don't need my business. :-)

True, BUT......rights that aren't stood up for can find themselves
getting lost through disuse.....if it's a little town that store
may be about the only choice!  Or the alternatives may be an hour
of bus rides away.  What happens if the alternatives start decide
to be insensitive?

Enough lecture, geez, I got on THAT soapbox mighty fast, sorry.  I
agree that complaints to the manager are the first line of defense,
and if it is a chain of some type, get the data on store and
manager etc like you said and send a letter to the level above.
Won't take long for their legal department to correct the manager's
attitude.  The Chamber of Commerce - oooh that's playing
hardball... I LIKE IT!  ;)  Wishywashy public relations clubs, most
of them are, often worthless when it comes to resolving a business
dispute --- but has its uses in that p.r. is mostly a matter of
peer pressure and appearances.

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From: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jay Croft)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: FORWARDED FROM ABLED
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25740

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

The National Association of the Deaf is NOT opposed to cochlear
implants in adults.  It opposes implants in children.

Dr. Rosen, president of the NAD, was quoted only partially on the
program.  The NAD's position is that unnecessary surgery is
harmful.

By the way, even advocates of this surgery concede that it does not
restore hearing.

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From: Trained.Bear@f203.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Trained Bear)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: From My 16 Year Old...
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:29:04 GMT
Reply-To: Trained.Bear@f203.n161.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/203 - DVMCC, Concord CA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25749

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

IMHO, I add my 2 cents:

JB>How does a signer mumble?

Ever tried to read signs from somebody who never moves their arms,
keeping the hands right at the chest and looking more like crocheting
than signing?  ....or hands in the lap?

JB>Can a signer stutter?

I believe stuttering is on single syllables, not whole multi-syllable
words.  So, if I jerk/jam/repeat one part of a sign-movement, I guess
I'm stuttering.  I really stutter when it comes to letter/spelling.
I don't _THINK_ in letters.  For me, finger spelling is like dialing
the phone using the letters. My fear is when arthritis and bad vision
creap in.

JB>How does a signer talk to him/her self?

Ever seen an oriental using an abacus without the abacus visible?
Ever seen people conducting an unseen orchestra or traffic flow?
Not hallucinating, just re-enforcing thought processes with additional
brain/muscle activity.
 * SLMR 2.0 * He's dead, Jim. You grab his phaser,I'll take his wallet.

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