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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Bama Mich schedules: my last comment
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:08:57 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>In article <0eyIKrK00aw40CQkV1@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>in an article
>><BILLMS.92Nov4200449@dip.eecs.umich.edu>(WilliamMagione-Smith) writes:
>>
>>
>>I absolutely agree that ND is MUCH tougher than Tennessee.  I even have
>>a feeling that Tennessee will have another loss before the bowl games. 
>>But Michigan would have had a much stronger argument had they beat Notre
>>Dame.  Therefore, if you take another look at the power rankings and
>>look at Bama's and Michigan's VICTORIES, Tennessee is ranked higher than
>>IU.  Alabama's wins, if I remember correctly, have all been blowouts. 
>>Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.  Same with Michigan, EXCEPT:
>>1)They could not beat Notre Dame
>>2)The margin of victory against Purdue was pretty small(seven points if
>>I remember correctly).
>>
>>Just a few observations, that's all.
>>
>>Will


>Well, actually, not all of Alabama's wins have been blowouts, at least
>depending on how you term "blowout".  They only beat S. Miss by 7, 
>and Tennessee by 7 as well.  They also only beat La. Tech by 13.  
>Michigan, with the exception of the Purdue and ND games, has beaten all of
>it's opponents by 24+ points.  

The Bama game against Vandy was a 17 point win, but if you figure that
Vandy has a terrible offense and turned the ball over to Bama 5(?)
times in Bama territory and they only scored 23(?) points, that can
hardly be considered a romp.

>-- 
>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"

Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL
edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:56:56 GMT

>>>>> 
>>>>>      .... With Torretta completing 28 of 40 passes in a 35-23 victory,
>>>>>      ESPN pumped him for the Heisman like a favorite son, flashing
>>>>>      statistical comparisons with Faulk (60 yards rushing Saturday) and
>>>>>      Hearst (41 yards rushing) throughout its telecast.
>>>>>           Analyst Lee Corso said, "Don't waste your vote.  Vote for Gino
>>>>>      Torretta.  He's the only candidate who can win."
>>>>>           Cook said, "Put a gun to my head.  Torretta is going to win it."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also there's this gem from Don Criqui:  "The leader is Torretta.  He leads
>>>>> the country in the most important stat:  wins."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not intending to offend Miami fans, but EXSQUEEZE ME?  Based on one
>>>>> $#%**  game?!  By Criqui's standards, maybe PSU's QB from the 1986 season
>>>>> should have won the Heisman.  What about Bama's QB?  And everyone says
>>>>> Notre Dame has an Heisman media bias.  I guess what we've got now is the
>>>>> dreaded MQHMB:  the Miami Quarterback Heisman Media Bias.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Puleeze... if anyone on Miami deserves the Heisman, give it to the defense.
>>>>> They won their two biggest games.
>>>>> 
>>>>

 [Much stuff deleted]

>>>
>>>Jeez, why? He's not even the best QB in his own conference, for crying out
>>>loud!
>>>
>>>I mean, Marvin Graves, Glen Foley, even Alex Van Pelt have to be better QBs!
>>
>>Yeah but he's a consistent winner. He's 20-1 overall. Many voters say that
>>while his stats are not that great, he knows how to win.
>
>Excuse me. I meant to say he's 21-1 overall.

Please reread my response to Criqui's comment, above.  Yes, sometimes a
quarterback is a "winner", i.e. he may or may not have great stats, but
when the chips are down he gets that crucial third down, or whatever.
But merely the fact that a quarterback's team wins does not necessarily
put him in this category.  Don't get me wrong -- I think Torretta is a fine
quarterback, but HE didn't make the crucial play when the chips were down
for Miami this year, their defense did.  To give him undue credit for the
team's success in their two most crucial games is either unfair (often a
product of media hype -- my original point) or ignorant of how the team
performed.

The funny thing is, media overhyping can change its emphasis 180 degrees.
Remember Andre Ware's Heisman hyping?  The argument in those days was that
his stats were great.  Nobody argued that "he just found a way to win,"
because his team had some losses.

The Heisman is not a joke.  The media's overhyping of it and uninspired or
unintelligent analysis of who are the best players is.  It's unfortunate
that so many voters take to heart the comments of such intellectual dwarfs
as Beano Cook, Lee Corso, et al.




-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 282-6699
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: NCSU AND THE BLOCKBUSTER: 2 GAMES 2 GO!!! :)
Originator: delarocq@c00167-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:40:22 GMT




  Barring some freak loss to the Blue Devils or the Deacons (which still
 is possible), NCSU is looking at a Penn State matchup. This game will be
 a great one, and I look forward to the opportunity to see the game..
 
  The next best bowl is a NCSU-Georgia matchup in the Gator Bowl, which is
 also possible, if we scrape by either team. Al in all, we were 4 points 
 away from the best season ever.. :)

 
-- 
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Reporter: "Who do you think is the best running back in the NFL?"
Thurman Thomas: "The running back that went to Oklahoma State".
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TODAY'S LESSON: SPELLING "LOSE"
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:30:52 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: "Robert W. Jordan"'s message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:22:32 -0500 


Or, as I point out in one of my .sigs:

  "If you loose your arrow, you're likely to lose it in the weeds,"
		   was often heard in days of yore.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

        "...the probability of a puttering nutcase slaving alone in his
         workshop actually developing fundamentally new technology is
                     practically nil..."  -- John DeArmond
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: TCU 23 - TEXAS 14
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:06:30 GMT

mujtaba (mujtaba@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
[ tears in the beer about the TSIPS!!! deleted]
 
: TCU, was definately the better team. And outplayed TEXAs in every department
                                                         ^
: from the first kick-off. Congrats to TCU on a well played and well deserved
: victory.

Oops, forgot your shift key on that one...
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: MAC preview for November 7, 1992
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:43:41 GMT

Michael Fath writes:

>Question:  I thought the MAC winner went to Fresno for the California (Raisin)
>Bowl.  At least they have been for awhile.  What gives?

That was true until this season.  This year, the winners of the MAC and the Big
West will meet in Las Vegas.

     - Pat
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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Subject: Re: Rice vs. Baylor (was: Re: Trevor Cobb 6, Lloyd Hill 0)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.151119.6959@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <BxFHpu.6nH@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Nov8.223449.18415@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
>oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>> >> WOOF!  WOOF!  GO RICE!  RUN UP THE SCORE!  SHOW NO MERCY!  TRIPLE DIGITS!
>> >
>> >..and beware, the season is not yet over...
>> Heh.  Well, Rice plays Baylor next week.  Rice-Baylor games have, for the
>> last few years anyway, been pretty close.  I doubt Cobb will be able to run
>> over the Bears defense the way he did the Tech D (161 yards total, needing
>> 400 more to pass Darren Lewis for the all-time SWC rushing lead.)
>> I'd give the edge to the Bears, as it IS Grant Teaff's last year, and
>> anyway, its their turn this year.
>> 
>> (Orin, does this make up for the post-Tech woof?)
>
>Let's say that Darrin Lewis's 98 yard kickoff return last night...
>
>> Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
>> "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
>> cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
>> "Hit it."
>
>..and the witty signature helps, though I am not purporting myself to 
>be the second coming of the woofing gods gift to the world.  
>
>Is the Rice game at Baylor?  If so, I wonder if Rice will look as slow
>on the natural turf as they did in Durham...
>
No, the game is at Rice.  And, of course, they wouldnt look as slow as they
did at Duke anyway unless the Bears could arrange for an all-day thunderstorm,
too.  Nothing like half a foot of mud to slow down those quick guys B-).
(Does Baylor have natural turf??  I'm not too clear on this for most teams...)


-- 
Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Shameless OSU woofing redux
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:36:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.092606.5512@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	Ohio State continues to improve.  After the fall from grace following
>the Syracuse game, OSU looks better than ever.  (And I think Minnesota
>deliberately trying to take Herbstreit out of the game is the worst example of
>sportsmanship to date.)

Hard to know what was being said on the field and all the little jabbing going
on back and forth.  But three times I clearly saw Minnesota defensive
players threw punches at OSU players *after* the play.  Two of the times
were away from the ball (and the referee's eyes).  After seeing this,
it wasn't hard to understand Herbstreit's comments about only being able
to take so much abuse against "myself" and "my players".  During the brawl,
I witnessed 7 Minnesota players all engaged with OSU's Dave Monnot.  All but
one were just holding him there.  The last one (who was identified in the paper
this morning) was just punching away at Monnot (apparently with no effect).
I guess there was a lot of other brawling going on, but I couldn't take my
eyes away from this little Minnesota weenie who took cheap shots at Monnot
while the other Gophers held him there.  I couldn't believe it - it looked
like a Clint Eastwood movie or something.  Anyway, I suspect OSU got their
own jabs in.   There was obviously a lot of talking and poor sportsmanship
going on long before the brawl, and the officials never did anything about
it that I could see.  The brawl was probably a result of Minnesota's frustrating
year, and OSU's inability to put more points on the board (they beat them
about twice as bad as the score would indicate).

>
>	OSU needs to focus on Indiana next week, and not look ahead to
>Michigan, lest Indiana surpise us again.

Yep.  OSU owes Indiana a good whipping for the couple that Indiana served
up a couple years ago.  I don't know if they'll get that, but OSU should
win if they remain focused.

>
>	OSU will be 8-2 going into the Michigan game.  If they are healthy, and
>Cooper does his job motivating them (hell, anyone who can't motivate for
>Michigan deserves a one way ticket to Arkansas), look for OSU to upset the team
>up north 24-21.

No comment until next week.

>
>	OSU: 9-2 into the Citrus Bowl.  10-2 out of the Citrus Bowl.
>
>	Cooper leaves for Arkansas, having "proved" he can win.
>
>	Bo knows Ohio State :).

Please ... no Bo.

>
>Brett

david

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From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: RU assistant coach arrested
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 21:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.193521.22168@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.182509.24315@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>> Hmm, Who were those RU folks bashing PSU early in the season for having a
>> recruit arrested for possession (and was suspended from the team)?
>
>I criticized PSU head coach Joe Paterno for dragging his feet on these
>items. NOT THE PLAYERS.  If that is "bashing" PSU then so be it.
>
>> 
>> Reading the paper this morning reveals that Rutgers' Defensive Line coach has 
>> been charged with possession of cocaine.  He was arrested when New
>
>Worse.  He is the Associate Head Coach, and, I think, the first
>assistant that Graber hired.
>
>> Brunswick police raided a crack house along with 6 other people (including
>> a 14 and 17 year old).
>
>THE BIG QUESTION = Why was Arnold Jeter there?  He has maintained
>his innocence of any wrong doing.  Really, he is the most unlikely
>(to my mind) of all the staff to be involved.  (Same age as me).
>But, you never know.  BTW, "crack house" are your words, no?

Yup, got it from the Star Ledger pg 17.  

Also, RU's Athletic Director Fred Gruninger is standing behind Arnold's
version of the story and hasn't suspended him.  I guess he too is "dragging"
his feet.



>Absolutely.  Thanks for keeping us posted on this.

Your most welcome.

a side note, he was the head coach at Delaware St in `73 when
a drug scandle involving 70% of the team was involved.


John L
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov13.161040.5599@nntpserver.chevron.com>, hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes...
#  Seems to me the Canes could have
#done it without asking simply by joining the SEC.  

Seems to me that the members of the SEC would have had to agree to play
at the Orange Bowl by voting to invite Miami.  It also seems to me that
SEC teams have avoided the Orange Bowl as much as they could (witness:
Miami at LSU in '88 with no OB match, the Miami home game in 1985 that
Florida required be played in Tampa) and therefore would probably not
have been interested in having to do so for the next ten years.

#HINT:  the SEC plays an 8-game schedule, plus traditional rivalries
#(UGA-Ga Tech, LSU-A&M, UF-Fla St, Arkansas-Citadel :)).  What's wrong
#with LSU scheduling a FAMU-type patsy to go along with 10 games that are
#more or less locked in?  (Although I'd rather lose to Miami than CSU.)

HINT:  The SEC plays an 8-game schedule plus a traditional rival plus
one patsy.  That leaves one extra game with which to play someone else.
Seems to me that 5 Big Ten teams, 2 Pac-10 teams, 4 SWC teams, and 3 WAC
teams have managed to do the same under the same constraints.  And one 
more Pac-10 team has agreed to do so in the near future.  In the recent
past and the foreseeable future there are zero (0) SEC teams willing to 
do the same.

#IMAGINE THAT!!!!!   The nerve of some teams!!!   What Top Five team
#would, in their right minds, wanna play a #1 team on NYD???!????!!!!????!!!
#Gee, you'd think it would help their MNC hopes or something!!

Gee, you'd also think that it would help their MNC hopes if they played
a #1 team during the season, too.  It seems to me that the same team that
refuses to schedule Miami during the regular season shouldn't bitch about
losing a chance at the NC when Miami refuses to play it in the bowl game.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
V262XXVE@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:21:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.214553.28948@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.204956.20191@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>  
>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>
>> Paul (go Lloyd) Conditt
>
>> Prediction for this week's game against Rice:
>> Lloyd Hill 35   Rice  21 
>
>Lloyd Hill 14  Trevor Cobb 21
>
Uh oh, could this be a Rice WOOF????  Or is this just a Trevor Cobb
fan?

Texas Tech 42 (Lloyd gets 35 of those)  
Rice 21 (Trevor gets 21 of those)

>OD
>--

Paul (c'mon Tech, don't be flat this week) Conditt

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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK)
Subject: Re: Beano Baker???
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:37:16 GMT

In article <10NOV199219282680@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>
>First Dave Meeks is unmasked as the real Lee Corso, now another 
>mystery is solved!!
>
>Have you ever seen Beano Cook and James Baker at a party together?

Hey Lee!!! You told me it was that Stassen guy....now I'm confused, dammit.

:)
>
>They're the SAME GUY!!  He thought Notre Dame was #1--he thought George 
>Bush was #1.  It all makes perfect sense.  Now if we can only get him to 
>stay away from football and concentrate on foreign policy.
>
>R Dendy
>
>
>
Kevin


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From: mmarolda@NeoSoft.com (Mike Marolda)
Subject: Re: New A&M QB (was Lee Corso's prediction)
Organization: Neosoft Communications
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:38:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.221515.12262@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>
>  Another good thing was the receivers did not drop any passes (or very few).
>This was hurting a lot.
>
As good as they looked, I thought Schorp (sp?) got tackled pretty easily.  
If he'd stepped over a few shostring tackles,  I think the passing yardage
would've looked much better.

Mike (Sigh, I guess I've got to complain about something) Marolda
mmarolda@neosoft.com




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From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Washington THE STATE of Behzad SUPREME BS .
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <+v-=SHC@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@jerseyblackgiant.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes...
#	Perhap, I should have qualified my statement as to say that 
#the west coast or "left coast" as you referred to have just begun to 
#produce larger number of high caliber football players.    

This is patently untrue.  California has long been regarded as one of the
prime source areas for college football recruits (and Joe:  this needn't
be substantiated since it is really common knowledge).

#[Re:  proof is in the fact that western teams are better]   This 
#trend started several years ago and has persisted as far as I can see.

How do you rectify this belief with the fact that there are more teams
from the Midwest (Michigan, Notre Dame, some might say Nebraska) in the 
USAToday Top 10 than there are teams from the west (Washington)? 

#	If you are serious about examining these occurances, I think
#you might not be able to find really good data because the balance have
#only begin to shift recently.  

Then how do you know it's happening?  A ``feel?''  The most up-to-date 
numbers (this last recruiting class) do not show Washington to be increasing
in importance in producing college football players (the current count stands 
at 22 recruits from Washington, but I haven't gone through all the 
independents yet, compared to 1552 nationally).  Nor do I see Washington 
increasing in importance in the national recruiting scene in the near future.
Perhaps you care to explain why Washington will produce more recruits, say,
for this next recruiting season?

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Beano Baker???
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:12:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.184200.1829@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>Roger Dendy writes:
>> Have you ever seen Beano Cook and James Baker at a party together?
>
>odagleD niveK replies:
>> Hey Lee!!! You told me it was that Stassen guy....now I'm confused, dammit.
>
>Well, *that* would explain why "Beano" picked Ohio State to win the
>national championship a few years ago...

Ah, ok. Phew. For a minute there I thought Lee was shittin' me. But this is
proff positive. Thanks for clearing that up Beano...er, Chris.

>--
>Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
:)



Kevin

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Trevor Cobb 6, Lloyd Hill 0
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:34:49 GMT

In article <BxDD6G.E4s@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)  
writes:
> After the extensive woofing on the part of these two individuals before
> the Rice-Texas Tech, neither of them scored as much as predicted.

Thus, the woofing theorem is again validated.  And Rice wins!

>  Trevor Cobb had 110 yards rushing in the first half.  I dont know
>  what his total rushing yardage was.

Though I can't call this performance a disappointment...

> WOOF!  WOOF!  GO RICE!  RUN UP THE SCORE!  SHOW NO MERCY!  TRIPLE DIGITS!

..and beware, the season is not yet over...

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