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From: dyoung@ecst.csuchico.edu (Douglas Young)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Summary: Complaints against officials limited to application of rules
Keywords: protest
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.191912.12681@meaddata.com> chaz@meaddata.com (Chuck Sedlacko) writes:
>
>Officials on that level should have enough sense to control themselves.  All
>Samuelson did was question/complain about the call.  He never left the playing
>area.  It is only natural to get excited in the heat of the competition and I
>didn't see Samuelson do anything to warrant the violation (unlike Barkley's
>elbow).  It was the type of call that perhaps can be justified early in match
>but not with the game on the line.                            
 
My understanding of the rules at most international competition is that a
player may only question an official's application of the rules, NOT  
the official's judgement of what happened in play.  So if the official states
that the player carried the ball, even if the ball came NOWHERE NEAR the 
player, that is not a question the player can argue.  However, if the 
official then says that since the player carried the ball, he must be
barred from ever playing again in international competition, THEN a player
may file a protest.  Samuelson should have kept it to himself, or found
a legal outlet for his frustration.


>
>I believe NBC reported the official who made the call was dismissed and if 
>so it was deservedly.  Once the call was made, the Olympic Committee had
>no choice but to overturn the match, but it was a call that never should 
>have been made. 
>

Which call?  The yellow (red) card for arguing with the ref, or the call
Samuelson was complaining about?

>-- 
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Judo Results?
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:03:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.130808.4745@bnr.co.uk>, dsr@bnr.co.uk writes:

> Ummm, isn't some one supposed to be posting the Judo results?  I
> haven't seen any on the newsgroup yet.

Bzzt.  Day 3's results are definitely in.

Day 4's are going in now

[Heck, give me a break, I have swimming and diving too, plus a job!]

Rod
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: CYCLING: Team Time Trial & Women's Road Race
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:12:32 GMT

In article <7005@lib.tmc.edu>,
cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith) writes:

(burp)

>Gold    Kathryn Watt, Australia    2:04:42
>Silver  Jeannie Longo, France      2:05:02
>Bronze  Minique knol, Netherlands    s.t.

(burp)
>believe) and then compounded that mistake by not chasing
>her until the last few kilometers because the Rbig gunsS
>were so busy watching each other that they apparently
>forgot about the Australian.
>Congratulations on a very nice race.

I'd go one further.  It seemed the competitors were more intent on
Longo not winning than on winning themselves.  Thus, no one broke
with her at her final break...  (where was her team???!!!)

I'm not making this up (though the TV people could have been!).

Mike
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From: inde788@Jane.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh)
Subject: Pakistan Beat Malaysia: Field Hockey
Reply-To: inde788@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:39:44 GMT

Pakistan trounced Malysia 4-1.
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Who is the commentator in the diving?
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:08:01 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL


In article <1992Jul29.162327.8150@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> aksimha@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Arun Simha) writes:
>  Never mind her and the jerk Bob Costas. They actually said that Janet Evans
>  conquered the swimming world in the last olympics. DUH! Was Kristin Otto 
>  an illusion? 

Now, that was something I DID notice, and that DID annoy me.  But I
just can't find enough wrong with Bob Costas to complain about him 
as much as some of you do.

Ed
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From: van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo)
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:30:41 GMT

In article <1636@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder  
432-4219) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.231559.9624@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)  
writes:
> >
> >NHL season? I thought you liked amteurism and hated big businesses....
> >
> 
> Vlad,
> 
> The best thing about NHL is that won't allow its stars to play in
> the Olympics or World Championships for one reason or another. 95% of
> the players on the American and Candian Olympic teams in France this
> past February consisted of collegians and junior league players. The  
other
> 5% was  not-ready-for-prime-time minor leaguers.
> 
> 92% of the USA's DreamTeam will be star NBA players with an average of
> 9 years of pro experience.
> 
> -Mark
> 

Besides, what NHL team would allow their best players to take time off
to play in the Winter Olympics.  Likewise, baseball in the Summer
Olympics.  It's because the cellar dweller teams would love it.  Not
for the protection of amateurism.  Good try, though.

Van Vo
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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: my opinions of the women's competition on Tue night
Summary: Karolyi retires
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:35:50 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.194713.21533@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.043059.29401@rice.edu>, rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>
>|> 7. Bela Karolyi, gymnastics' most famous coach, announced his
>|> retirement from the coaching of Olympic gymnasts.  He did look
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this about the fivth time he's announced that
>he's retiring?
>

Well, he has said that he was considering it.  But Tuesday was the
first day that he announced that he had made his decision to retire
for sure.

Rachele



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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:23:05 GMT

   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
 1.  Kieren Perkins (Australia)          3 minutes 49.24 seconds
 2.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
 3.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
 4.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
 5.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
 6.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
 7.  Sebastian Wiese (Germany)                      3:50.73
 8.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66

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From: v999rkjl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Qi Y Zeng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul30.184925.24491@menudo.uh.edu>, svec5@menudo.uh.edu (T.C. Zhao) writes...
>In article <92212.110554TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu> <TXK9@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Talking about NBC coverage some of the comentary for diving was realy
>>amusing almost stupid. At one point the comentator suggested that the
>>silver medal winner in 3m diving for men the diver from China was
>>westernized because he smiles. What does she mean, the easterners
>>do not smile? The American gymnastic team after some unfortunate
>>falls were so down and serious that there was no smile in their face.
>>Does that make them eastern.  I think NBC should give a more educated
>>comments. After all audience inside USA itself comes from all nations
>>you can think of.
> 
>Yeah, the female commentator for the diving event iritates the hell
>out of me. She must've worked for Home Shopping Club for too long,
>and she speaks way too much and too pitchy and worse, most of what
>she says is offensive.

-------100% AGREE!!!
-------I'm wondering why NBC has to hire this narrow-minded person who 
       never miss one chance to show her stupidness.
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From: kuder@cs.ubc.ca (Karen Kuder)
Subject: Re: Track & Field
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:36:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.134924.1@amherst.edu> nagordon@amherst.edu writes:
>Anyone else care to share their experiences competing against Olympians?
>
>nate

    I have an indirect experience to share.  The event happened a year or two 
before I joined the swim team at my high school, so I only heard about this 
incident from several people, including my sister, who were on the team at the
time.  

    I went to high school in Guelph, Ontario, Canada.  The late Victor Davis
was also a high schooler in Guelph, but at a different school.  He was on a
relay team (I don't remember if it was the medley relay or freestyle) along
with Mike West and two other students from the same high school.  Their relay
team lapped our relay team (or came very close to lapping us) and our relay 
team lapped the other 4 teams (or came very close to lapping them).  Our
swim team ended up winning the overall meet, however.

Karen
(kuder@cs.ubc.ca)




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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:14:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.152039.7835@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>
>According to this mourning's New York Times, he never issued a yellow card. The
                   ~~~~~~~~~~
>23-0 decision was not in favor of awarding a red card as was initially claimed.
>Instead, led by acosta, the FIVB voted that the referee had made a mistake in
>NOT awarding the yellow card. The rational was that his decision not to award
>a yellow card was based on the fact that it would make a red card and end the
>match. This was backed up (as noted) by the referee's statement. Nonetheless,
>the FIVB has set a horrible precedent in that they ruled that they can OVERRULE
>a referee's decision whether or not to award a yellow card even if this changes
>the outcome of the match. THIS IS UNBELIEVEABLE. If it were merely a
>technicality that would be one thing, but instead the FIVB has overturned
>a JUDGEMENT CALL. I think that almost anybody involved in sports would agree
>that this is a horrible precedent to set.
>
>Jason W. Solinsky

I guess it really is a MOURNING New York Times, they keep mourning that game
:-)

They must have got it wrong, or at the least the ref was lying in his written
statement. I CLEARLY HEARD ON TV when an American player said "second set"
while the ref and the umpire were arguing, and then the ref also said "second
set", probably not because he had forgotten when the first yellow card was
given, but because he chickened out when he understood that the card meant
the end of the match.

Sven

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Golf?? and others...
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:40:31 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Jul31.104810.1@ncse01.tele.nokia.fi> yrjola@ncse01.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>Others that have been official sports in some Olympic games, but no longer are,
>include: Horsepolo, Rugby, Cricket (sp?), Crocket (sp?), Lacrosse, Roque, 
>Motorboat racing (1908), Jeu de paume, Rackets, etc...

Don't forget my favorite:  Tug of War!  I'm not kidding -- this was
an Olympic event for the first few games.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Isn't Olympics for Amateurs?
Date: 29 Jul 1992 20:55:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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In article <Bs6CDJ.1t5@regentdb.uoknor.edu> wee@regentdb.uoknor.edu (Wee Win) writes:
>I always thought(yeah, I know...."I think, therfore I am wrong") that the
>Olympics were for Amateurs.  Can someone please explain the "Dream Team"?
>And isn't Steve Timons a pro?  And what about the Tennis people?  

What about the (ex)soviet players? If they're not professional athletes, who 
is? There are several ways to trick the system. The soviets justified that
their athletes were not paid directly, but that can define a professional
in the US, not in a communist country.
But what the heck is wrong with athletes trying to make a living?

The restriction of being amateur to compete is being relaxed Game after Game
and I find it only fair, because it is immune to political tricks.

Perhaps we'll see the day when the ultimate barrier will fall, allowing
professionals from the most popular sport in the world to compete: SOCCER !

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From: cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.brazil
Subject: Re: Dream Team challenged...
Date: 30 Jul 1992 19:21:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Jul31.001405.380@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> fdg@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frank P. DiGiuseppe) writes:
>
>I heard an interesting ancedote during the CTV coverage concerning the
>Dream Team and their next game against the Brazilians.
>
>Apparently one of the Brazilian players says he's disappointed with
>the play of the Dream Team, that they're not playing their best, and
>are just out there "playing for fun"... (or words to that effect :-)
>He said he wants to be  "beaten by the best", and so he wants to see a 100
>point (!!) difference in the game! What do you know, a guy actually asking
>to be humiliated... :-)
>
>So, will the USA team take the challenge "to heart"? Or will they just 
>laugh and ease up at 50 or 60 points... :-)
>
>Frank
>------

Unless there is a recent followup comment on that matter by Marcel, the
Brazilian player (I doubt it), the press is trying to augment the story,
probably in an attempt to bring more excitement to the basketball matches.
	
The whole story started when the Brazilian player answered a question from
the press. He criticized Mike Jordan for playing golf between one game and the
next, during the pre-olympic in Portland. The idea was: Jordan was sending
the message that the games were too easy and not to be taken seriously,
which is a contradiction of what the Olympic Games are all about. Similar
points were raised in this very newsgroup (the Barkley case, boring matches,
refusal to stay in the Olympic Village). As it usually happen with many 
sportsmen during interviews, he expressed himself poorly (I should be
far more critical, but this will do for now) and the press is exploiting it 
ever since. 

A similar thing happened with the Angolan coach, talking about defense in the
NBA.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending neither of them. They should both have
shut up and preserve themselves AND their team AND their Country.
The press is doing exactly what they should, but there is an additional
factor. The outcome of the games seems so obvious that there is very little 
to be said and reporters, especially in this NBC coverage, have the bad habit 
to draw the viewers' attention to themselves and their comments rather them 
the game itself. As it happened against Germany, they will probably show the 
first 10 minutes of the game, get their point across, have a good laugh and 
move on to more "interesting" issues (diving, swimming, gymnastics, etc...).

-- 
Carlos Ludolf Luck <cluck@pollux.usc.edu>
Office: University of Southern California, SAL309 - tel. (213)740-6500
Private: 322 S. Reno St. Apt. 301 - Los Angeles CA 90057, tel. 736-5221
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From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Subject: Skeeting, Sensation!
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:29:58 GMT

There have been some mentioning about mixed tournaments here in r.s.o

And this year it happened; a female, Zhang Shan of China won the
Skeeting!  I hear that this is the first time ever it has happened in
Shooting, can someone confirm this?


	Sweden beat Marocko 4 to 0 in Football!  Go, Brolin, go!

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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results (men's team competition, AA & event qualifiers)
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:07:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul30.150737.7678
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


I find it very interesting to see that two of the three American gymnasts who
qualify for the individual apparatus finals--Jair Lynch and Trent
Dimas--will not compete in the all-around competition, while John
Roethlisberger and Scott Keswick, both in the all-around competition, are
shut out of individual events.  How did this happen?  I realize that for
the all-around, one need not be the best in all disciplines to be
successful (much like the decathlon), but this wasn't the case in the
women's competition--the three all-around American qualifiers are the ones
who qualified in the separate events as well.  Did Dimas and Lynch have
particularly good routines on their qualification apparatus, or did they
really mess up on some other apparatus, making their all-around scores low?
Or are they simply good in the "right" events, i.e., the events in which
many people are shut out due to the "2 person/country" rule, rather than
the events in which a variety of countries do well and few get shut out to
let lower scorers in?

Just Wondering,
ecw
From: glenda@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Glenda Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Why only One British team
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of Western Sydney

Maybe I'm cynical, but they can get a better medal tally that way.

Glenda

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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: USA Today on Triplecast
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:38:14 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Jul28.073058.4282@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>
>
>But they did not. Why? Are htese people REALLY idiots with respect to
>business decisions? Or are they so out of touch with their fans that they
>have no idea of what people like and don't like?
>
>
>Vlad
>

Oh,Vlad, I'm sorry it took you so long to come up with this conclusion.
Nobody,with an exception of Stan, beleived that NBC/CableVision will
find a way to make TC a cable's version of Titanic and they did. They
based their research on general public's viewing habits from the past
Olympics covered on regular TV. The majority of that audience were women
who live for gymnastics and swimming events in the summer games and figure
skating in the winter. PPV core audience is mostly younger men with a shorter
attention(explains why one-time boxing matches,wrestling,bikini contests
,Guns'n'Roses concerts are so popular :-). They thought by throwing in
alot of boxing and tons of gymnastics they could capture both. The women
stuck by NBC's 'free' coverage(great nightly ratings) plus they got pretty-boy
Bob Costas to stare for 4.5 hrs each night. Men have to work and make some
money to pay for WWF's SummerSlam in August and Hollyfield's fight this
fall.

I can't really flame NBC's regular coverage that much. There is no
on-camera commentator shots and 'How do you feel?' crap is very brief.
Also,more recognition of international talent. They even showed a swimming
final whithout any Americans involved.(Yipppeee! There's life outside of
North America afterall!)

My friend in Montreal says that NBC's coverage is much better than
CTV's where announcers talk way too much and much more commercials ads.

-Mark.
Asbestos suit is on.