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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Question about sleep/hypnosis
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:28:48 GMT

Carol Anne Ogdin (friday@netcom.com) wrote:

: 
: IME, it works well when never abused.  If I need to be especially alert
: after a short night's sleep, I can make a pact with my unconscious (a form
: of self-hypnosis) to get that alertness in return for, say, a promise to
: be in bed by 10 pm that very same day.  You can also do this before-the-
: fact, on the evening before you know you're going to have a short night's
: sleep.
: 
: IMO, it is not ecological for the entire person to try to reduce sleep
: hours to (say) 2 hours a night from a normal 8 on a regular basis; there
: are important functions of REM sleep, etc., that are essential to well-
: being.  So, use it as a temporary expedient, but don't attempt it as
: a long-term practice.

Dick Sutphen has a tape out (from Valley of the Sun) that purports to let you
get by on 4 hours of sleep a night.  I haven't tried it, though - but it
*would* be nice; I need 9 or 10 a night to feel rested.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
From: Albert.L.Samuels@dartmouth.edu (Albert L. Samuels)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Rapid inductions
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:40:54 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Does anyone know any effective rapid induction techniques?  I have
heard that there are some that work well, and allow you to spend more
time with the person in a trance and less time actually hypnotising
them.  I assume that some people are more susceptible to these
techniques (if they exist) than others.  Thanks! 


al
From: pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:27:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
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Mario Acevedo (2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu) wrote:
: In article <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
: >First, anyone who says you won't do things under hypnosis that you
: >wouldn't normally do, is wrong. 
: 
: [rest deleted]
: 
: 	I believe that you are getting the message wrong.  You can't make
: anyone do something that they find (really find) to be immoral.  I.e., you
: could not make someone kill a person unless they truly believe it is morally
: right (if you can find such a person).
: 
: Mario Acevedo -- Marquette University
: 

Ah, but what was suggested was convincing someone to move their moral
boundary. At that point they wouldn't feel what they were doing was wrong.

Guy

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From: ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:37:10 GMT
Organization: Republicans for Sanity

Mr. Barton has an excellent point, as a matter of fact I am familiar
with the experiment he references. None of the activities (pranks) I
involved myself with really pushed the limit very far. The reasons
for that are obvious, I was out to have fun, not hurt anyone. I can
only report a 'feeling'. That feeling was that I could warp
someone's view of reality to the point where they would do just
about anything. But this isn't a scientific claim.

				The Jester

In article <DLB.92Nov17094913@fanny.wash.inmet.com] dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
]In article <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU] ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The
]Jester) writes:
]
]   First, anyone who says you won't do things under hypnosis that you
]   wouldn't normally do, is wrong. 
](A lot of irresponsible, high-school pranks deleted)
]
]I think you underestimate, not what people will do under hypnosis, but
]what people will do when not under hypnosis.  There are many ways of
]getting people to do things they "wouldn't normally do".  The easiest
]is to ask them, under the color of some sort of authority.  The Milkin
]experiment should be required reading for anyone who works with
]hypnosis (and is usually covered in an introductory level psychology
]course).  Ordinary people, placed in a situation where they thought
]they were administering electric shocks as a part of an experiment in
]learning, would shock a person literally to death (or what was
]presented as death, convincingly --- they did not actually kill
]people).  All personal consequences of doing so were explicitly
]denied; the "experiment leader" simply told them it was necessary, and
]took all responsibility.
]
]I don't know what your high school experience was, but similar
]incidents (including taking off clothes, and similar to the dog act)
]were certainly part of my high school life, without hypnosis of any
]kind.  Most such activities took simply a "dare".
]
]					Dave Barton
]					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com


-- 
For some reason unintelligible to me, Lord Acton's dictum that
"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
is rarely raised in connection with judges, who...possess power
..that comes [close] to being absolute"-Judge Bork
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From: zygote@cs.uiuc.edu (The seed of all life)
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:48:45 GMT

friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) writes:

>As I read your post about your mis-uses of hypnosis, and
>your inability to hypnotize adults, I was struck with a
>thought:

What happened to the base note to this thread?  Could someone
repost?
From: estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer)
Subject: Whereis Laberge
Keywords: Stephen LaBerge
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:46:29 GMT

I'm looking for any information on Stephen LaBerge.
He wrote a book called Lucid Dreaming in 1985. 
I've seen a few postings regarding lucid dreaming,
and especially about the "Dream Machine." 

If Dr. LaBerge is in the group I'd certainly
be interested in his feedback (no pun...)
on the "machine" and any other referenced
that might update his original work.

Direct mail should be sent to
estrayer@netcom.com

Thanks,
Eric

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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Accidental deletion
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:35:42 GMT

BILLY JOE BISSETTE (bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:

:  Up to a me four, and a couple of mail requests, but still no answer.  So will
: the person who originally mailed me please remail me?  I remember the first
: letter of their address was an a...

If you want some good, complete hypnosis scripts, go out and by Dick Sutphen's
book, "Finding Your Answers Within".  It's a paperback, and costs $4.50.
It gives detailed scripts for past-life exploration, regression, contacting
your Higher Self, etc.

I'm crossposting this to talk.religion.newage because of the obvious
connection between hypnotic regression and New Age thought...
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
From: 2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu (Mario Acevedo)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:38:40 GMT
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In article <8672@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>First, anyone who says you won't do things under hypnosis that you
>wouldn't normally do, is wrong. 

[rest deleted]

	I believe that you are getting the message wrong.  You can't make
anyone do something that they find (really find) to be immoral.  I.e., you
could not make someone kill a person unless they truly believe it is morally
right (if you can find such a person).

Mario Acevedo -- Marquette University

Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Learning Hypnosis
Summary: How to learn hypnosis
Keywords: Hypnosis Learning Experience
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:53:22 GMT

I have recently received a flood of requests for personal advice
and information about learning hypnosis; I've responded to each,
but there is a pattern in my responses that I can share with all.

1.  I do not believe that you can learn effective (and ethical)
  hypnosis from books.  There are skills (like pacing your words
  to the subjects breathing, using tonality to mark out certain
  words to form other messages that what is apparent to the casual
  listener, like how to match the client's experience) than you can
  read about all day and never learn a thing.  If you want to "play"
  with hypnosis, go to the library and read what they have; you'll
  learn enough to do elementary things and find out whether hypnosis
  is a subject you really want to learn.

2.  While I "do" hypnosis, my primary training is in Neuro-Linguistic
  Programming (NLP).  NLP is an application of hypnosis, and a way
  of understanding behavior and communication, of which hypnosis is
  one part.  While hypnosis might seem mysterious, NLP makes it quite
  obvious and open (with sufficient practice).  I recommend you in-
  vestigate it as a field of study.

3.  To find someone to teach you hypnosis, I recommend two sources:
  a.  Look under "Hypnosis" in the Yellow Pages; call them and see
      if they're willing to help you learn, or if they can refer you
      to someone who will.
  b.  There are numerous "New Age" periodicals, underground news-
      papers, etc. where people with esoteric skills often announce
      themselves; call those people and ask where you can learn.

4.  I am not willing to outline specific strategies for hypnosis for
  ethical reasons:  I have a responsibility to the unknown "subjects"
  that might be exposed to those strategies, and I have no way to judge
  the ethics of the people who might read this newsgroup and apply them
  in harmful ways.

5.  I am located in Silicon Valley (San Jose, CA), and I am a Trainer
  (as well as Certified Practitioner and Certified Master Practitioner)
  in NLP.  If you are in my area, e-mail me privately and we can work
  out a way to help you learn, if that is your goal.

-- 
--Friday                               "There is in true beauty, as in
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer     courage, something which narrow
   Deep Woods Technology                    souls cannot dare to admire."
     friday@netcom.com                            --William Congreve
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
From: lippard@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:11 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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In article <MAS.92Nov17091111@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov>, mas@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov (Marc Sarrel) writes...
>In article <DLB.92Nov17115505@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
> 
>   In article <1eb5gdINNkuo@agate.berkeley.edu>
>   bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
> 
>      You mean Milgram.  Milliken, if I remember correctly, was the physicist
>      who did something or other with oil drops to measure the mass or charge
>      of the electron -- it's been a long time since high school, sorry.
> 
>   Yes, indeed.  I knew it was not Milliken, but my dyslectic fingers
>   typed an approximation to the spelling anyway.
> 
>Of course, neither of these two luminaries is to be confused with
>Michael Milkin, who's now serving time for insider trading or
>somesuch... :-)

For somesuch.  The insider trading charges were dropped for lack of
evidence.

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:09:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:
| [...]  The easiest
|is to ask them, under the color of some sort of authority.  The Milkin
|experiment should be required reading for anyone who works with
|hypnosis (and is usually covered in an introductory level psychology
|course).

You mean Milgram.  Milliken, if I remember correctly, was the physicist
who did something or other with oil drops to measure the mass or charge
of the electron -- it's been a long time since high school, sorry.
From: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Question about sleep/hypnosis
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:07:32 GMT
Reply-To: st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brandeis University

RE 1 hour hypnosis = 8 hours of sleep

there are two ways of doing this: one, you tell the person you will awaken
refreshed and fully awake. This lasts for 30-60 minutes (sort of like a cup 
of coffee), then the person returns to their preivious state.

The other way is to to tell the person that the next time they fall asleap,
they will fall into a deaper sleap than usual, and tell them to do so right
after falling asleep. Tell them to let their mind roam and wander, and dream,
as soonas they are asleap. This increases their effective sleep time by
maybe 5-25% percent (depends on person & how deap the hypnosis)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 08:06:37 EST
From: Kind of a stupid game isn't it? <IO10781@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Dream Light on Discovery Channel

    Thanks to whoever posted about the episode of Beyond 2000
which was on last night. This episode, for those of you who missed
it, included some information on the Dream Light. They did a fairly
good job of explaining how it all worked, but I noticed they didn't
bother to give a price tag with the thing. Course, if you're really
hard up for money, you might be able to teach yourself to lucid
dream instead of relying on machines. A book I just got called Lucid
Dream in 30 Days looks like a promising resonse to a $1000 toy. Ah
well. So nmuch for free enterprise. :)

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`------------------------------------^----------------------------------'
From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: Here's how to hyp. self and others
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:26:13 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham


 On 22 Nov 92, Ed Carp wrote

> Think about that for a while.  Would you *like* to spend time in jail for a
> prank like this?

 Perhaps, more relevantly, would you like someone make you eat your
own shit, or whatever turns them on?

 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

--
Cheers,

	Ian

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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Here's how to hyp. self and others
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:46:37 GMT

Nelson Langille (880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca) wrote:

: +----------------------------+
: ! What to do when Hypnotised !
: +----------------------------+
: 
:   When you have them under you must word things very carefully to get your way.
: You cannot simply say...  Take off your clothes and hump the pillow.  No, that
: would not really do the trick.  You must say something like....  "you find your
: self at home, in your room and you have to take a shower (vividly describe
: their room and whats happening), you begin to take off your clothes..."  Now,
: it cant be THAT simple, you must know the persons house, room, and shower room.
: Then describe things vividly and tell them to act it out (they have to be
: DEEPLY under to do this...).  I would just suggest that you experiment a while,
: and get to know how to do things.

I find this sort of advice personally repugnant.  I've been hypnotizing people
for a long time, and I am always very careful of attempting of manipulating
them, regardless of the situation.

To manipulate someone in this way is not only repulsive and unethical, it is
also illegal.  Say, for example, that you hypnotized a woman you were attracted
to, and had her do this shit.  Suppose you convinced her that you were her SO,
and to give you head, have sex with you, whatever.  She could legally have you
brought up on criminal charges - it's like getting your date drunk and raping
her.

Think about that for a while.  Would you *like* to spend time in jail for a
prank like this?
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
From: mas@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov (Marc Sarrel)
Newsgroups: alt.hypnosis
Subject: Re: nonsence and truth
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:11:11 GMT
	<1eb5gdINNkuo@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<DLB.92Nov17115505@fanny.wash.inmet.com>
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

In article <DLB.92Nov17115505@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:

   In article <1eb5gdINNkuo@agate.berkeley.edu>
   bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:

      You mean Milgram.  Milliken, if I remember correctly, was the physicist
      who did something or other with oil drops to measure the mass or charge
      of the electron -- it's been a long time since high school, sorry.

   Yes, indeed.  I knew it was not Milliken, but my dyslectic fingers
   typed an approximation to the spelling anyway.

Of course, neither of these two luminaries is to be confused with
Michael Milkin, who's now serving time for insider trading or
somesuch... :-)

--marc
--
Marc Sarrel			"She's got a big boyfriend
Jet Propulsion Laboratory	 A really big boyfriend
mas@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov		 He lifts weights, he builds cars
                                 And he's got no sense of humor
                                 She's got a big, really big
                                 Really, really, really big boyfriend"
                                                     -Blotto
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: ertle@kira.uvm.edu The Sneaky Devil
Subject: Re: What's the employment climate like? Me too!!
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:17:33 GMT

In <mcampbel.722555112@eola.cs.ucf.edu> mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell ) writes:

>Finally!

>I've been waiting for this group for a long time.

>My parents have been to AK many times, living the nomadic lifestyle all over,
>even above the arctic circle.  I would love to go-I've seen so many photos,
>I feel like I've been there.

>My question is employment.  I see tons-o-fishing and oil companies, and not
>much else.  Does there exist any hope of a programming career there?  (Systems
>programming - I'm sure there is plenty of app programing there).

I've also seen the ads for fishing companies, etc. and I was wondering
how bad these jobs tended to be?  Is this something that might be a
good idea to do over summer vacation ( I gotta work SOMEwhere! )?  How
about summer jobs in the parks, forestry, or fishing guide industry?

Of course system programming would be ideal, but would anybody co-op
me there?

--
James A. Ertle                       |What if there were no such thing as a
ertle@{hal|sal|kira|griffin}.uvm.edu |hypothetical situation?
UVM's EMBA Computer Facility         |			- rec.humor.funny
Burlington, Vt. USA                  |
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: What's the employment climate like?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:56:52 GMT

In article <mcampbel.722555112@eola.cs.ucf.edu> mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell ) writes:
>Finally!
>
>I've been waiting for this group for a long time.
>
>My parents have been to AK many times, living the nomadic lifestyle all over,
>even above the arctic circle.  I would love to go-I've seen so many photos,
>I feel like I've been there.
>
>My question is employment.  I see tons-o-fishing and oil companies, and not
>much else.  Does there exist any hope of a programming career there?  (Systems
>programming - I'm sure there is plenty of app programing there).
>
I've been to Alaska on a trip when I was in junior high school.  However,
that really was only a small glimpse of the state.  My husband and I 
have been tossing the idea of moving there after grad school is out of the
way for the both of us, and the more I find out about the political
climate of Alaska, the more I think it is for me.

I am also wondering about employment.  I am going to grad school (I hope)
to study computer animation (I hope), and I am wondering if any
Alskans know what kind of opportunities exist there.  I understand
that there are several television stations in Anchorage, and I would also
like to do free-lance filmmaking, which would obviously take me all
over, but I would like to make someplace a home base.

Also, what is the weather like?  What kinds of clothes would I have
to have?  We lived in Ottawa for a while, and that was pretty %$#@ing
cold.  I understand it is colder up there, but it is a "dry cold".
I am also a chronic asthmatic--is it a good place for me to live?

Wow, I am glad people are finally posting.  It's difficult to find
this kind of information elsewhere.
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