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From: geiste@hsi.com (Doug Geiste)
Subject: Royals mailing list
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:21:28 GMT

Can anyone tell me if there's a net mailing list that I can get on for 
the KC Royals?

Thanks


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From: saevans@l_ecn13.icaen.uiowa.edu (Scott A Evans,,,)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins choke
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:03:36 GMT
Reply-To: saevans@icaen.uiowa.edu

From article <ku9jfjINNef5@girtab.usc.edu>, by henze@girtab.usc.edu (William Henze):
> Bottom of the 9th Grand Slam to lose the game.  Brings back all
> of those *fond* memories of my hero Ron Davis.  Guess the Twins
> won't win all their games this year...
>
You mean "Whiplash" Davis?  Never have seen a pitcher since then to whip his
head around so quickly when a ball is hit!  He had his moment (I hesitate to
make it plural, as his good times were few and far between), but overall he
wasn't even close to the last two "stoppers" that the Twins have had.
 
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From: carlr@cpqhou.compaq.com (Carl Rempert)
Subject: Re: Hisle (walks?)
Reply-To: carlr@cpqhou.UUCP (Carl Rempert)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 15:08:15 GMT

Walks seem to be extremely emphasized on this newsgroup.  I have always felt
uncomfortable with this analysis, so I decided to do some research into the
matter.  The most prevalent idea here is that maximizing walks maximizes run
productivity.  I think you will find the following numbers interesting.

The numbers I'm about to give are from 1949 to 1988.  A span of 40 years.  What
I first did take the leader in runs (AL) for each season and charted their
position in hits and walks.  During those 40 seasons the leader in runs scored
lead in the league in hits 18 times.   However the league leader in walks only
lead the league in runs 9 times.  Only twice during that span did the leader
in runs lead in walks and hits.  To take it a step further, only 7 times did
the league leader in runs finish below 3rd in hits.  However, the leader in 
runs finish below 3rd in walks 16 times.  The best run production team during
this period was the 1950 Boston team, scoring 1027 runs on 1665 hits and 719
walks.  The second best run production was the 1949 Boston team, scoring
896 runs on 1500 hits and, get this, 835 walks.  116 more walks, 165 less hits,
131 less runs.  This team walked more but got significantly less run 
production.

In the NL, the leader in runs lead the league in hits 18 times.  They lead
the league in walks 11 times.  4 times a team led in both walks and hits.
Only 5 times did they finish below 3rd in hits.  15 times did the leader
in runs finish below 3rd in walks.  The best run production was the 1953
Brooklyn team, scoring 955 runs on 1529 hits and 655 walks.  The 2nd best
production was the 1949 Brookly team, scoring 879 runs on 1477 hits and 
638 walks.  Only 17 less walks but 74 less runs.

Interesting so far?

I did some further analysis.  I have only done the National League, but I 
found the numbers to be interesting.

The league leader in hits....
        - lead in runs 45 % of the time.
        - finished 1st or 2nd in runs 60% of the time.
        - finished in the upper half of the league in runs 90% of the time.
        - lead in OBP 50% of the time.
        - finished 1st or 2nd in OBP 67% of the time.
        - finished upper half of league in OBP 95% of the time.

The league leader in walks....
        - lead in runs 32% of the time.
        - finished 1st or 2nd in runs 47% of the time.
        - finished in the upper half in runs 82% of the time.
        - lead in OPB 40%
        - finished 1st or 2nd in OBP 67%.
        - finished upper half in OBP 87% of the time.  

What this tells me is that although the ability to walk is somewhat important,
it is far more important to be able to hit.  Hitting philosophies aside, run
production is more directly influenced by the ability to hit than the ability
to walk.

Hope you have this info educational.  I will be presenting further analysis
in the future.

Carl Rempert
From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: If not Alfredo, who?
Summary: maybe carlos garcia?
Keywords: jays, shortstop, manny lee, alfredo griffin, carlos garcia, spike
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:35:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes:
>>Suppose Manny Lee is injured or begins to play even worse than he has
>>played in the past. Should they start Alfredo? Should they call up
>>Zosky? Do they have someone in AA they can call up? 
>
>I don't know.

I just looked though an old 1991 copy of Baseball America, and this is
what I have to say about the Jays minor league shortstop situation:

YIKES!

Last year, they had Zosky and Steve ".188" Jeltz at AAA, and the
troika of Domingo ".223" Cedeno, Rob ".161" Montalvo, and Mike ".165"
Taylor at AA.  To be fair, the AA guys could just be too young, but I
wouldn't project them to be major leaguers this year.  Digging
further, you find out that the Jays aren't loaded with obvious
shortstop talent below the AA level either, with guys like Nandi
".224" Cruz, Mariano ".205" Dotel, Mark ".183" Choate, Sharnol ".206"
Adriana, and Louis ".177" Benbow getting all the playing time.  The
only slightly impressive shortstop I could find in the Jays system was
Hector Tavarez, who batted .291 in the Pioneer League and walked a
decent amount, but with no power to speak of.  But that's a rookie
league, folks.

>>Or should they try to make a trade now before they get even more
>>desperate? What are some reasonable trades they might make to fill
>>this hole?
>
>Myers to Montreal for Spike Owen.  Owen has never been my favorite player,
>but he's a competent shortstop, not yet over-the-hill, and worlds better
>offensively than either Griffin or Lee.  
> [etc.]

Not a bad idea.  Another one would be to try for a guy who is trapped
at AAA, such as Carlos Garcia (behind Jay Bell) or Jeff Reboulet
(Gagne).  None of these guys is going to be an All-Star, and they may
not even help you that much, but it might be worth a shot.  It doesn't
look like there's a lot out there that wouldn't cost you a lot.  (How
did the Jays get themselves into this mess, anyway?)

jking
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Most Popular Athletes List
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:19:47 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr16.033549.11560@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu, chin@sask.usask.ca writes:
>		Most popular			Second most popular
>Boston		Roger Clemens 	(B)		Larry Bird	(K)

There's no way that Clemens is more popular than Bird in Boston.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
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From: hayosh@mot.com (Tom Hayosh)
Subject: Prince Hal
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:31:59 GMT

As most of you already know by now, Hal Newhouser was elected to the
Hall of Fame by the Veterans Committee this year.  I was thrilled to
see this happen.  Prince Hal lives in my parents neighborhood.  When I
was about 8 years old, I walked over to his house to ask him for an
autograph.  I was very nervous.  He opened the door ... he was SO TALL!
He signed my piece of paper and smiled, I thanked him, and that was it.
I had actually met a major league baseball player!  Ever since then, I
have been a big Hal Newhouser fan.  Every year, I hoped the Veterans
would finally put him in the Hall.  And every year, I was very disappointed.
Until now.

A year or two ago, Baseball Digest carried an article on Newhouser.  It
was written by Paul Gaba.  Paul lived 2 or 3 houses away from Newhouser.
My copy of that Baseball Digest is packed away somewhere and I haven't
read it since I bought it,  but I recall the article did a magnificent job of
conveying the same feelings I had about Prince Hal.  I'll have to dig it out
again and reread it.

Tom Hayosh     hayosh@mot.com
Go Tigers!
Congratulations Hal Newhouser!!!
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From: mjkugel@iastate.edu (Michael J Kugel)
Subject: Re: Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:10:43 GMT

In article <19920408105604SASCHO@mvs.sas.com> SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO) writes:
>>I only saw the third(?) inning, the one where Scott dropped the ball, the
>>Phillies ended up scoring two runs, etc.  I was really having my doubts about
>>the trade, the season, and the Cubs.  I must say it sure was a nice
>>suprise to hear they won. There's hope
>>Joe
> 
>Grace hit that ball an awfully long way for a guy with no power! :-)
>Couldn't resist, I like the guy.


For the first time in his career Grace might actually be trying to hit
for power as opposed to average.  Time will tell if he'll be successful
at it, but he's of to a good start.
From: todd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:51:19 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois

In article <1992Apr15.171807.4267@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>From news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!bionet!agate!spool.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pitt.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dtate Wed Apr 15 10:04:09 PDT 1992
>
>>In article <1992Apr14.222718.24632@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>
>>  [I wrote:]
>>
>>>>Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the best of
>>>>all time at his position.  

YES

>>
>>  [prompting the following:]
>>
>>>Not until he gets his head out of his ass and decides to give the game more 
>>>respect than he does now.  
>>
>>What the hell is this supposed to mean?

Who knows?

>
>1.  The guy doesn't seem to hustle unless he has a chance to make an 
>outstanding chance.  He will not run hard on ground balls.  I've seen a ball
>go over his head and him just jog after it.  Last week, I saw him hit a shot 
>that Rafael Palmiero had to dive to his right to stop, then throw to the     
>pitcher covering first.  Tough play I thought.  Griffey was out by about eight
>steps because he was just loping down the line.
>

Give us some evidence from before he injured his foot and maybe I'll listen...
It is a bit hard with a really sore foot to sprint 100%...

>
>I agree that Griffey may be the best talent in baseball since Willie Mays,

No doubt.

>but he'll never be as good unless he quits acting like "The Kid", and 
>starts playing like the game is important to him.
>
>GT

I still fail to see evidence that the game is unimportant to him... but I'll
keep a close eye on the situation...

tkp
______________________________________________________________________________
Todd K. Pedlar                   ! 
Graduate Student                 !      "Damn it, Jim, I'm a physicist,
Nuclear Physics                  !
Northwestern University          !              not an engineer!"
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Question
Date: 6 Apr 92 02:38:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr6.023851.14451
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU


The New York Times keeps reporting that the Yanks and ChiSox are close
to a trade for Jesse Barfield.  Why?

The trade would be Barfield for minor league pitchers.  

Why would they want Barfield?  What can he do that Pasqua can't, besides
a little defense?  What would they do with Pasqua then?

Hoping some ChiSox fans could clear this up...

-- 
David M. Nieporent              |ALEast 92: 1.Baltimore 2.Boston 3.Toronto
niepornt@phoenix.princeton.edu  |4. Detroit 5.Milwaukee 6.NY 8.Cleveland
"Baseball stathead, and card-carrying member of the ACLU.  And proud of it."
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: The Answer
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:32:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.175648.21877@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>Okay, I stumped all of you 10000 page encyclopedia-carrying statheads.
>
>The answer to the question "Who was Rollie Fingers bridge partner?" is
>Ted Simmons !!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, here's a really tough one:

What number am I thinking of?
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 21:29:13 EDT
From: <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Red Sox win!

The Red Sox blew a 5-0 lead against the Cleveland Indians, but after using
eight pitchers, 6 and a half hours, and 19 innings, the Sox finally won
their first game of the 1992 season, beating Cleveland by a score of 7-5.
Tim Naehring hit the game winning homerun with a runner on in the top of the
19th. Mo Vaughn hit his second homerun of the season in the second inning,
and Jody Reed homered in the 3rd. Wes Gardner got the win in relief. The
Bosox are now 1-2 on the season. The Toronto Blue Jays have yet to lose, as
they defeated the Baltimore Orioles. Oakland also remains undefeated. And
lastly, the Yankees beat the winless Detroit Tigers. The Yanks are undefeated
and the Tigers winless.
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From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Subject: A BETTER QUESTION
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:36:56 GMT

Okay, many dedicated baseball fans answered my question on the Roger
Clemens game.  Here's a better question.

Who was Rollie Fingers' bridge partner?  (Hint:He played on a team with
Fingers.)

Gary Blickhan

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Robinson and Boyer
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.211101.4456@cpqhou.compaq.com> carlr@cpqhou.UUCP (Carl Rempert) writes:
>I would tell you that I haven't reached any conclusion because you haven't
>given me enough data to go on.  However, this doesn't mean that errors are
>meaningless in reaching any conclusion.   Give me more numbers and I will use
>errors, along with the other stats you have given me, to reach my conclusion.
>Like how many innings did both players play at the position and how many
>percieved chances did each have.  By perceived I mean balls hit to them that
>would be reached by an average 2b.

So, say we have two second basemen, who played exactly the same number of
innings at second, faced exactly the same number of balls hit to them that
would be reached by an average 2b, converted exactly the same number of
them into outs, but one made 40 errors and the other 20.  Now, who's the
better fielder, and why?

>Nothing in your example proves errors are meaningless.  If you wish to say
>errors, by themselves as a stat, are meaningless, then I might agree with you.
>But if you are going to tell that errors, taken as a small part of the whole
>picture, are meaningless then we have an argument.

Well, then, let's have it.  You haven't told me what you would use errors
for even in conjunction with other stats.

>And if you are going to tell me that you base this opinion on observation, then
>I will tell you that your observation is at best subjective and does
>not prove anything.  Your observation carries about as much validity to the
>argument as my observations.  So unless you wish to give validity to all
>observations, lets keep the argument statistically driven.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:14:50 GMT

In article <12223@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay) writes:
>>4)Fingers has the all-time record for saves. (341)   Eckersley had 188 at
>>the end of 1991.
>
>Yep.  And Eckersley spent more than half his career as a starting pitcher.
>If Eck had started as a reliever, how do you think the numbers would stack
>up?

	Um, if Eckersley started off as a relief pitcher he may very well
not be in baseball today! He SUCKED (with a capital S) as a starting
pitcher for most of those years. If he pitched anything like that as a 
reliever, he would soon be a middle reliever. And how many shitty middle-
relievers stick around in baseball after 10+  years? 
	Eck had the advantage of a second chance -- something many players
don't get. Give Rollie a break, he was great, is great and ever shall be
great.

-tms
-- 
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From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Juan Samuel--who pays.
Date: 15 Apr 1992 18:53:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

As far as this year goes, please note in Sammy's defense that
he is playing with a severely sore hand which has affected
his batting, if not defense.  In fact, on Sunday, he went
to the hospital to have the hand X-rayed.  The hand was
injured on March 29th when Anthony Young hit him with a pitch.
The X-rays proved negative, Sammy was back on the bench by the
5th inning, and pinch hit in the 9th and got the hit that
drove in 2 runs to tie the game 4-4.  Sammy surely isn't
the best second baseman around, but he is far from the worst,
in my opinion.
				BleedsDodgerBlue
From: x90townsen12@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fielder will win the Triple Crown
Date: 5 Apr 92 14:37:57 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Apr3.195957.3871@island.COM>, don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
> 
> Subject line says it all. 
> After dropping 20 pounds, he'll get a couple of leg hits every month 
> and maybe even steal a base or two.
> Anyway, he'll hit .320 with 44 HR and 132 RBIs
> 
> don
> don@island.com

Hey!  There are Tiger faithful out there!
If anyone can ever win the triple crown agian, it'll be my man Cecil!

Tigers are gonna rock in '92!

GO TIGERS!

GO BLUE!  (and I ain't talking about the Blue Devils!!!)
Michigan is #1!

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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Harold Reynolds
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:02:51 EDT

In article <1992Apr16.152400.23175@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
todd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar) writes:
 
>
>Anyone who thinks Harold Reynolds is a poor base stealer hasn't been paying
>much attention over the years...
>
     213 lifetime steals, 108 lifetime CS = career SB% < 2/3 =
maybe not a *poor* base stealer but certainly wasting his energy
on a strategy that is 3 steals below break-even.
 
Jeff
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Seattle-Tex
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:14:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>Could someone please post what happened with Seattle/Texas last night.  I
>heard the Rangers blew it open in the 8th with something like 9 runs (ha! who
>needs pitching?).  Does anyone know the final score?  If someone wanted to
>post a box, that would be cool too.  FOr now, a score would be terrific though.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott
>
>GO RANGERS!

The Rangers won 12-10 in a game that ended at about 11:45 Seattle time.  The 
Mariners led 8-3 entering the 8th.

TEXAS 8TH
Gonzales grounded out.
Sierra walked.
Daugherty K'ed.
Palmer walked.
Thon doubled in 1 run.
Kevin Brown replaced Gene Harris.
Reimer doubled in 2.
Calvin Jones replaced Brown.
Pudge walked.
Mike Schooler replaced Jones.
Petralli homered in 3, 9-8 Rangers.
Palmeiro doubled.
Gonzales singled.
Sierra singled in 1 and went to second on throw to 3rd.
Daugherty singled in 2, 12-8 Rangers.
Palmer K'ed.

9 runs score with 2 out.  M's score 2 off Rogers in 8th, but Russell gets 
Mitchell to pop up with 2 on, 2 out.  Russell tries to blow save in 9th,
but ends game with strikeout of Scott Bradley, stranding 2 runners.

12 pitchers, 22 runs, 29 hits, 3 Ranger errors, and 4 hours.

GT
From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biggio at second
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:55:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr17.005528.16329
Distribution: na
Organization: Little Cheeseheads of the Poor

In article <1992Apr16.205531.25138@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <bmt8q4.34a@wang.com> bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum) writes:
>>spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>>
>>>In <0dvAieC00UhW89hLRC@andrew.cmu.edu> King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
>>>>Can someone please inform me why/when/how Biggio became a second baseman?
>>
>>>>I've never heard of another case where a catcher transformed into a
>>>>second baseman.
>>
>>>Probably that's because its never happened before.
>>
>>Wait a second (no pun intended.)!  Didn't Geno Petralli once play second
>>base???  Where the heck is my Baseball Guide????????
>
>And Scott Hemond (a 3B, really, but who now plays mostly C) also plays 2B.
>
>Believe it or not, I also read that *Cecil Fielder* has played 2B before.

Last night I saw Kirby Puckett play both 3rd and 2nd base. No kidding!
It was after one of Tom Kelly's wholesale substitutions. The infield
ended up being Larkin - Donnie Hill - Leius - Puckett. When there
was a chance of a bunt, Puckett shifted with Hill.

It was a strange night. I even saw Robin Yount smile. 
-- 
 Lance "Gen Admin" Smith |"This royal stadium of kings, this cover'd field,
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)   | This turf of dynasty, this dugout of Kirby,
   The Cat That Walked   | This other Nicholet, major league paradise,
        By Himself       | This dome built by Minnesota for herself"   Kelly II
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