HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: REQUEST: Transcripts of the Debates
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:50:43 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst

I have been looking for transcripts of the debates, available via the
internet.  I was not aware this group existed, and have been told that
the transcripts were posted here.  Would some kind soul please e-mail
me the transcripts of the 1st presidential debate and the vp debate?
Thank you very much.  Please don't repost them, as this would
unnecisarrily wast internet resources.  I would be happy to send them
to anyone who requests it (if I can get them myself!!)

  Matt
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From: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: GEORGE BUSH, STOP THE RED-BAITING
Date: 13 Oct 1992 02:14:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bsc7@po.CWRU.Edu (Bradley S. Corsello)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) says:

>Nor were you in a foreign country. THAT is the issue (as Bush has clearly
>stated). If you want to protest US policy in the US, fine, go to it and
>there's nothing wrong with it. When you take it overseas, during the middle
>of a war, it is wrong and goes against 200 years of American tradition.
>It's the same principle as a family dispute... you don't do it in the
>shopping mall.

What "American tradition" are you talking about?  I had no idea that
tradition dictates that Americans abroad are supposed to be mindless
cheerleaders for the current Administation's policy, no matter how 
wrong.  Your "shopping mall" analogy makes no sense.  No matter where a
protest takes place, news of it will (potentially) spread worldwide by
way of television or other media.

>Apparently the distinction about where you protest completely
>slipped by you.

It slipped by me, too.  Probably because there isn't one.

-- 
Brad Corsello (bsc7@po.cwru.edu) 2L Case Western Reserve Law School
"The Fanaticks have always had a way of affecting to run into Per-
secution, and count vast Merit upon every little Hardship they suffer."
^ J. Swift.  "Factum clarum, jus nebulosum."  Rex v. Haddock.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: gcr@pacific.uucp ()
Subject: Newt and Arlin
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:13:38 GMT

I would be interested in seeing any polls on two races. Newt Gingrich in
Georgia and Arlin Spector in Penn. Thanks in advance for any info.

Greg
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Presidential debates #2
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:23:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I think this debate (still a press conference actually, only w/o the press)
was great.  I think that this relaxed format gave the clearest view of 
each candidate.  Each candidate gave the viewer a very clear idea of
where who he is and where he stands on each issue.  I don't think anyone
was disadvantaged by the format.  

Since we got such a clear look at each candidate, it is clearer than
ever that Bill Clinton is the only one remotely qualified for this
job.  Bush had a fair shot.  Sure he had plans.  He even had specifics.
That was fine.  But I didn't like his plans.  

Perot made if very clear, that aside from what he has written in his
book, he plans to tackle the countries problems as they arise and
he doesn't want to discuss it.  He says "Do you want to talk about it
or do you want to do it?"  I want to do both.  If I can't have both
under him, then I don't want him.  How can you know what you're going
to do unless you talk about it first?

Clinton made a very clear and concise presentation on every question
asked.  He was brilliant.  He was presidential.  He showed that
he has been working long and hard on these questions.  I got the
feeling that, while George and Ross, were enduring the debate, Bill
would have stayed their all night answering questions and having
discussions with the audience.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: RHETORIC VS. REALITY -- THE FIRST DEBATE
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:10:15 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.113013.21469@midway.uchicago.edu>, 
sug6@amber.uchicago.edu (Patrick Sugent) said:

> 300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President) writes:
> 
> [ * * * ]
>
> I didn't read any farther than this first statement.  Of course, one
> wonders why I read this far. :-)
>
> Citizens for Tax Justice is an arm of the Clinton campaign.  Don't
> let its name fool you.  Remember Brown's complaints about the same
> thing?

Using a neutral organization name to hide behind is an ancient
political practice which, imho, sucks big hairy rocks.  Assuming
Patrick's reporting is accurate, shame on Clinton's people for doing
this... but at least I have to give credit to whoever manages the
300.3115@compuserve.com account for putting an honest identifier/
disclaimer in the "username" field.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle on speed?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.010059.18213@Princeton.EDU> glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:
>I knew that DQ would be a hemmoraging asshole, but I couldn't predict
>how much of a hyperactive frat-boy jerk he would be.  
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A bit redundant, no?

(Of course, Bush got what he deserved by picking a VP candidate based
on fraternity ties...)
-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
ajax crypto-analyzer -- warning! remove all chicken bones first
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:37:48 GMT

In article <56.X666X@ramona.com> doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes:
>Washington, DC (AP) - Mary Matalin, designated Bush campaign attack-bitch,
>followed up recent charges related to Democratic presidential candidate Bill
>Clinton's secret meetings in Moscow with high-ranking officers of the KGB by
>demanding to know why Clinton has no alibi for November 22, 1963, the date
>of President Kennedy's assassination. Asked Matalin, "why won't Bill Clinton
>come clean with the American people?"

Wow!  Good question!  Come to think of it:  Bill Clinton,
where were you on July 30, 1976, the day my stereo 
was stolen?  Come Clean!!

-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:44:08 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1b2l0rINNnah@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
=In article <schumach.718587049@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
=>Yeah! And who sold all that chemical and nuclear weapon technology to
=>the Iraqis JUST ONE YEAR before the Gulf War? Where was Bill?
=
=... and then there's the Hindenburg disaster in 1937.  Can Bill
=Clinton prove that he wasn't in Lakehurst, NJ, on May 6, 1937.  Oh,
=sure, some Liberals will say that Clinton wasn't even born in 1937,
=but that's just the kind of soft headed thinking you'd expect from
=Commie Fellow Traveler Baby Killing Tax and Spenders.  Life begins
=before conception, you know.  Just because Commie Clinton's parents
=probably hadn't even met yet doesn't absolve him of basic pre-fetal
=responsibility.  And what about Gennifer Flowers?  Well, what about
=her?  Huh?
=
=							spl
=
=-- 
=Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
=UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
="Twit twit twit/Jug jug jug jug jug jug/So rudely forc'd./Tereu"
=                - T. S. Eliot, "The Waste Land," III. The Fire Sermon


Please take this thread out of sci.skeptic.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WHAT GORE REALLY SAYS in his book
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:57:24 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <ldrnmkINNled@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:

MP:I thought the issue was what Clinton believes and advocates.  Gore won't
MP:be the first or last vice president that had different positions on
MP:many issues of substance.  When Gore is running for president, ask what
MP:he believes.

If nobody cares what the VP's believe, then why do we have VP debates.
-- 
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com

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From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: No looking at your neighbors' papers....
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:50:49 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Followup-To: alt.politics.elections
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

(Stan Knight) writes:
>(david m shackelford ) writes:
>>(Theresa J Flynn) writes:
>> >   a.  His 1988 pledge:  "Read my lips.  No new taxes."
>> >   b.  His new, improved 1992 pledge: "I am not going to do it again. Ever,

>>    Both.  Bush didn't raise taxes, Congress did.

>Oh you mean that wasn't Bush's signature on that bill? Wow somebody better
>tell him that the Demos are forgeing his name!
. . .
>>     a.  Presidents don't raise taxes, Congress does.  Bush was
>>         forced to sign or let the government run out of money.

>FORCED TO SIGN! Give it up dude. You call this a leader???

Stan, you just don't get it! Everyone now knows that the Democrats threatened
to release those digusting photos of Barbara, Millie, Pat Robertson, and
Pat Buchanon to the National Enquirer if he didn't sign. And George was gonna
hold out until they started to play dirty. They showed him the video of
Neil Bush, Marilyn Quayle, and the elephant, as well as the Bethesda Naval
Hospital Emergency Room records, and sworn statements from the chief 
Proctologist, of Dan's visit to have the potato removed.

This was too much of an assault on family values for a decent man to stand.
So he signed.

It wasn't until recently that he found out that this compromising misinform-
ation was faked by the KGB during the last days before the end of the cold
war, and picked up by Bill Clinton on his latest secret trip to Moscow.
Can you blame Poppy for feeling a little peekish that weekend in Toyko?

So you see, he isn't attacking Clinton's patriotism, he's attacking his
sense of fair play.

Matt
Now It Can Be Told...
Bill Clinton is Willie Horton in diguise!
From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Anybody got a GA or LA poll? (was Re: NC poll shows Clinton on top)
Summary: if Clinton carries NC, GA, and LA, who cares about MI/OH?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:35:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com (Len Olszewski) writes:
>Yesterday, the Raleigh News & Observer had a story about a recent 
>statewide poll of 609 "likely" NC voters conducted last week.

Does "likely" here mean "registered", "registered and say they intend
to vote", or "likely to vote based on our demographic model"?  This
makes a difference in how much you should believe this.  But if these
totals *do* come from a reasonable likely voter model, then it would
appear that Bush should elect to punt in NC.  And that's one heck of
a scoring opportunity missed.

>Participants were asked who they would vote for if the election were
>held today. The results?
>
>Clinton         47.9 %
>Bush            34.8 %
>Perot            6.7 %
>Undecided       10.6 %
>
>Margin of error - 4 percentage points.

Note that the undecided percentage is still high-ish (and includes
people who support another candidate), but if the poll's gauge of who
is a likely voter is good and the other numbers now reflect fairly
firm support for the candidates named, then Bush would need a
political miracle to pull this one out.  (Note that political miracles
do, of course, happen, but not very often.)

Meanwhile, how many of you knew that NC has *14* electoral votes
(EVs)?  This state is now just about as important as NJ, and more so
than VA and MO.  Further, my expectation is that NC might tell us
something about what to expect in GA and LA, which are beginning to
look like Bush-must-carry-to-have-a-prayer states.

So do we have any recent polls from GA and LA?

Meanwhile, I heard an (NPR?) blurb that a 3-way race in MS is actually
too close to call, with Bush up by only 2%.  This then becomes another
state where nth party candidates could have a major impact, shades of
'60, '68, '76, and '80.

>I'll bet my old pal (not) Jesse Helms doesn't like this at all.

Don't be so sure.  I'm pretty sure that Jesse Helms is one of those
ArchConservatives (tm) who tend to despise Bush most.  Has Helms done
any major campaigning for him so far in the state?

>Just thought you'd like to know.

Thanks.

>Len

jking


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From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: VP Debate -- impressions & facts
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:56:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: holodeck.csd.sgi.com

First-line impressions (before going & reading the rest):

Stockdale:  the clear loser.  Saying, "I'm out of ammunition on that" 
 really blew him out of the water, in my opinion.  I think he may be 
 a nice man, but definately knows absolutely nothing about governing
 or public policy.  The VP's usual duty is to schmooze with foreign
 leaders, and I'd be ashamed to have him representing us.  And if
 Perot were to be killed.. or quit..

 Summary:  anyone who watched that debate and is still going to vote
 for Perot must not have watched that debate!

Quayle:  Came out shooting -- plus expectations were so low he could
 have said just about anything.  So he did -- and a lot of it was false.
 Those of you who have been reading the articles I post to this group 
 have probably noticed that I'm a big fan of facts & reports -- so I
 was very well-prepared, when Quayle made assertions about Clinton/Gore
 or defended allegations against Bush & himself to determine whether he
 was telling the truth.  Unfortunately, most people will walk away from 
 the debate with the impressions left by him, and probably not find out 
 how incorrect his actual statements were.  Offhand I noticed that Quayle
 was wrong in his accusation about Gore's book (pg 304 -- I'll be happy
 to post it), he was wrong about the lobbying-companies-to-move-overseas 
 issue, and he was wrong about Gore's opposition to the Caribbean Basin
 Initiative.  It'll be interesting to read the newsgroups to see what 
 else you guys found.  :-)

 Summary:  Flailing wildly -- some hits, mostly misses.

Gore:  Wooden -- but solid.  I was disappointed that he didn't come back
 with specifics immediately when Quayle attacked the line out of his book,
 but I felt that he had a lot of VERY good statements -- "When are you
 guys going to concentrate on the U.S.?" and his question to Quayle about
 the failure of trickle-down economics.   His facts sounded correct, and
 he really appealed to the listeners' intellect.  He was helped immensely
 by appearing to know more about Perot's program than Stockdale did.  :-)

 Summary:  Took the hits and dished some out.

Allan
-- 
Allan Schaffer   x2160                    "Things have been tough, but 
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com              they haven't been that tough."
aschaffe@netcom.com                                   - George Bush   10/4/92
For a free copy of Bill Clinton's economic recovery plan, call (501) 372-1992
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From: padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: A Woman's Freedom (Re: Funny things in VP debate)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:11:08 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct14.162627.17888@bnr.ca> labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche) writes:

>Stockdale: "What a woman wants to do with her own body is her own business!"
>

I'm interested to see what Perot and Stockdale's position is on prostitution.
Or perhaps on drug laws...

Peter!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Bush cowardice? I think not (RE More Bush Cowardice)
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.122844.13908@ornl.gov>, de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.210646.1@acad.drake.edu>, vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
> "To err is human."
> "Let he who is not guilty cast the first stone."
Since you're so keen on quotes today, try this one:
"The wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fools heart to the
left." 
--Ecclesiastes 10:2

> That's a personal matter, none of our business.  If you insist on harping on
> this topic, then I'll insist on an explanation why Bush won't deny ever having
> an extramarital affair.
He did. And so did Miss Fitzgerald, for that matter.
 
>>How can we look up to a President who has experimented with drugs...
>>particularly in an age when drugs controls our streets, and murders children?
> 
> Most of us have experimented with drugs..
Hmm. That would explain it. Don't you think that gives you a slight credibility
problem?
 
> Here's one for you: how can we look up to a president that doesn't respect the
> freedom of religion that this country was born of?
Find me one quote where Bush has condemned any other religion and I will. We
should be a little more factual.
--
Here endith the Lesson
--
Disclaimers. Disclaimers.
		VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH Conservative)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: THE CLINTON DOCTRINE
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:36:43 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner) writes:

: >>|> Democracies do not go to war with one another.
: >>Bullshit
: >Name two.
: 	Athens and Sparta, two city-states with perhaps the greatest
: eligible voter turnout ever known to Democracy, warred against each other.
: Rome and the Germanic tribes, tribes led by Democratically-elected leaders
: went to war.

In each of these cases, just how much of the population was allowed to vote.
I doubt that women were allowed to vote, and I really doubt that slaves
were allowed to vote.

I know for a fact that Rome was NOT a democracy.  At best, it was a 
republic.  And that was only at certain times in Rome's history.

In how many of these "democracies" were _all_ of the country's official
decisions voted upon by the people?

Your four examples are not *real* democracies.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



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From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: The Music Man
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:50:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.005451.28679@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>Is there a real basis for this slippery campaign Perot is running? Is it
>some cynical machination on his part, or is he being used by others
>for some purpose?

I think he is being manipulated by ~5.5 million people who put him on the ballot
in all 50 states :-)

John

Caution: Slippery when Clinton.



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