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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Slide guitar
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:41:16 GMT

Good Day to all!

	I feel like learning slide guitar. I tried playing, but can't seem
to get the hang of it. Does anybody have any tips? Any books or discography?
BTW, I remember a Coke commercial were this guy is auditioning for a band. He
takes a Coke bottle and starts playing slide on his guitar. Does anybody have 
the tabs for this?   
-- 
Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
From: harper@godot.think.com (Jim Harper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Mesa Preamp/Nady Wireless
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:47:41
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

I was wondering if any one has used heard or had the following:
Mesa Boogie Tri Axis Preamp and the Nady 201 Wireless.

Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Rewiring / Adding switches.
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:23:23 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


 I have a kind of half baked plan which involves doing various things to my strat
copy. Basically my plan is to have push in/out pots to replace the current tone
knobs, the action of pushing them in would switch the phase around. That bits
easy. The next bit I want to do is add a single switch to the guitar, which when
I have two pickups selected (neck-middle or bridge-middle) the switch in one
position would have them in series, and in the other position in parallel.
Has anyone tried anything like this??? Is it hard? I have the book 'Electronic
projects for musicians', but it doesn't say much about putting in series...

	Much Obliged... Mike
From: frankc@faatcrl.UUCP (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:06:16 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ


|> >|>Has anyone played around with using a bow (like that used with a violin)
|> >|>on a guitar?  I realize the traditional position of a guitar might make
|> >|>it a bit awkward, but it could generate some interesting sounds.

|> >|>Thoughts or experiences?

I gave it a try a long time ago.  You can do it, but...

1) the rosin makes a mess out of your strings
2) it's pretty hard to bow individual strings due to the nature of the bridge
   and lack of coutouts on the body.  You can bow over the neck to get the 
   E strings, but then the rosin makes a mess out of the strings AND the
   neck.


I think Paul Gilbert's electric drill idea is much better ;> 
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: M23231@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: classical guitar - anyone?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:22:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.041827.4599@news.Hawaii.Edu>
luthe@jach.hawaii.edu (Rusty Luthe) writes:
 
>
>Hi Marc,
>
>Yes, I must agree that there are not many classical players on this
>system, howevere there is a move to start a classical guitar group
>on the net. (YEAH!!)
>I've been playing for 30 years. (shouldn't I be famous by now?) I
>have an undergraduate degree in classical guitar performance from
>the University of New Mexico. Spent 4 years watching Hector Garcia
>drink himself to death.  But  I did manage to learn quit a lot from
>him. When sober he was/is a terrific player.
>
>Aloha,
>Rusty
That's very sad about Hector. He was from Cuba wasn't he? Wasn't he a student o
f Mario Abril? Or was it the other way around? What do you mean "was/is"? Is he
dead or not?
I've got 35 years experience playing flamenco and classical guitar. All amateur
playing, but very close to pro quality when in practice. I love it. It's what
keeps me sane in an insane world. I do (pseudo) science and engineering for a l
iving, but I'm a guitarist at heart.
 
Ciao,
Jerry
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Recomendations for Classical Guitars
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:31:32 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

In article <1992Sep2.032821.21059@news.Hawaii.Edu>, luthe@jach.hawaii.edu
(Rusty Luthe) wrote:
> If he is (apologies if female) already an accomplished
> player, then I would strongly recommend spending the extra money and getting
> a hand-crafted instrument. WARNING: It is possible to find sh-- hand built
> guitars also! The joy and inspiration that can come from a fine instrument
> far out-weighs the extra cost. 

   One caveat - if you are buying a hand-made instrument, and especially if

you are spending a lot for it, be aware that if you ever want to sell it,
unless it is from a fairly well known maker, you may or may not be able to
get what you paid back out of it. Otherwise, it's certainly true that just
about all serious classical guitarists play hand made instruments - my
latest
was made by Michae Thames, which I paid $2500 for more than a year ago, but
I think his prices are up to $3000 now (esp if you want brazilian
rosewood).
Another aspect of buying handmade instruments that is a bit different is
that
often you have to order the instrument from the maker and (depending on how
many orders he has in front of you) wait, perhaps several years! Then you 
hope that when you finally get the instrument, you like it - many builders
are so consistant that that's not a great worry , but still, sometimes you
just don't like the one you get, and you'd have to work out some deal
with whoever built it to deal with that...

>Just for reference, I bought a Robert Ruck
> cedar top / rosewood back & sides
> in 1981 for $800. I was recently offered $3500 for it! The guitar is truely
> a fine instrument. I might sell it for $10000! There are deals like this out
> there and all you have to do is persevere!
 
    Ruck is a really fine maker! (I recently played a new guitar of his,
i.e.
one just finished in May, and it was a marvelous instrument, and I think
the
price was around $3K, but of course he has a waiting list a couple of years

long (but I still want to get on his list anyway!)

> I never really pay much attention to scale length. Unless a person has
> unusually large or small hands, the scale length is more a luthiers concern
> than a players. But hey, its fun to talk about!

  I know lots of players who are *very* fussy about string length (and I 
myself am pretty fussy about *width* - my fingers are fairly wide and I
have to have a slightly wider than normal string spacing).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Subject: Re: Using a bow?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:52:50 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <basinski-280892145137@lully.biosci.arizona.edu>, basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski) writes:

|> Rosin is sticky stuff, and once it gets all over your strings,
   ^^^^^
|> it a real pain in the ass...I recommend cleaning it off asap,
                                                            ^^^

Heh heh!


(Sorry.)
From: sab@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Shawn Berg)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: For the love of God  (Steve Via)
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:23:39 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Could someone e-mail the tab to this song (as much as possible)?

Thanks,
Shawn

sab@reef.cis.ufl.edu
From: ken@batman.austin.ibm.com (Ken Goach)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Drumstick gutiar (bass)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:16:24 GMT
Reply-To: ken@batman.austin.ibm.com (Ken Goach)
Organization: IBM Austin, TX


Have any of you ever heard "The Big Noise from Winetka?" (sp?)
I think that's probably where a lot of this came from.


THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS.
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"... watch from high atop Tokyo Tower as the twisted world
you created explodes in rivers of blood and endless pain..."
    -Tom Servo, announcer, monster action playset commercial
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mikem@col.hp.com (Mike McTigue)
Subject: Re: JBL speakers
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:30:49 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I'd been wondering what would happen if my D-130 in my Fender Pro amp
lunched itself. I had it reconed for $50 back in the 70's. Best 
sounding speaker I've ever used. Deep clear low end and highs as good
as 12's. Oh well, maybe it will last a long time now that I use 
effects and mike thru the PA instead of turning the amp up all the 
way like I did in high school!

Later-----------------------
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Subject: Re: Slide Guitar
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:01:28 GMT

In article <9208311916.AA08258@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu> brownsbe@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (bill brownsberger) writes:
>I've been fooling around with slide guitar lately and have noticed that alot
>of tab for slide uses an open tuning (ex. open E).  I was wondering if there
>are any slide players out there who use the conventional tuning and if they
>have gotten used to it.  I don't want to be in the middle of a gig and have to
>retune the guitar just for one or two songs that I play on slide.  People like
>Duane Allman probably just had another guitar that was already tuned to an open
>E so he could switch with no problem.

Duane Allman apparently played in both standard tuning and an
open tuning. He would retune the guitar between songs. To
do this you cant have a guitar with a whammy (he had an SG I
think). Another slide player who used open tuning was Mike
Bloomfield and if I remember right Muddy Waters used standard
tuning for slide later in his career (ie 70's).

Retuning to an open tuning doesn't have to be that difficult.
Open G is fairly easy to retune to, though I find it not
as useful as other open tunings for soloing but better for
solo slide (ie Robert Johnson songs etc) plus its also a 
handy tuning for playing most Rolling Stones songs.

Playing slide in standard tuning is very possible, though you
need to develope pretty good right hand damping because playing
 in open tuning results in lots of notes that are not part of the
key being played by the slide. These have to be deadened by the
right hand fingers. The palm deadens the rest. Unfortunately there
are only a few licks that can be played with more than two strings
at once. This can be compensated by extra vibrato to some extent.
It takes some practice (and isn't maybe quite as useful as open
tuning) but standard tuning can still result in some really
cool and musical playing.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: reh@wam.umd.edu (Huddleston)
Subject: Re: Slide guitar
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194116.14417@dgbt.doc.ca> serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:
>Good Day to all!
>
>	I feel like learning slide guitar. I tried playing, but can't seem
>to get the hang of it. Does anybody have any tips? Any books or discography?
>BTW, I remember a Coke commercial were this guy is auditioning for a band. He
>takes a Coke bottle and starts playing slide on his guitar. Does anybody have 
>the tabs for this?   
>-- 
>Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 

Well, the only two tips I have for slide guitar:
(1) Roll the treble response off on the guitar to at least mid-knob.  This
will eliminate a lot of string noise, and -- to me -- greatly improves the
sound;
(2) Dampen the strings behind the slide with the finger to the left of the
one that's wearing the slide (i.e., if you've got the slide on your pinky
finger, dampen the strings behind the slide with your ring finger).

One other tip: for good intonation, get the slide directly over the top of
the fret.


-- 
Richard Huddleston  reh@wam.umd.edu    | "It is the greatest possible victory
These are my personal opinions.        |  to be, to continue to be, and to
                                       |  have been in a universe that seems
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From: barrett@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: ***FOR SALE*** ROCKMAN SOLOIST
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:12:47 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

From RBARRETT@uga.cc.uga.edu Thu Sep  3 11:10:13 1992

I am reposting this item for sale.  I had some people interested in it, but I
ran into some problems and could'nt get back to anyone.

ROCKMAN SOLOIST

-HEADPHONES INCLUDED
-AC ADAPTER INCLUDED
-WORKS GREAT

I PAID $159 FOR THE ROCKMAN AND $20 FOR THE ADAPTER.
I'M ASKING $100 FIRM FOR ALL.


THANK YOU,

RICHARD BARRETT

BARRETT@ATHENA.CS.UGA.EDU OR RBARRETT@UGA.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: btm2911@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Veggie Star)
Subject: Re: acoustic
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: house 'o pancakes
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 1992 07:55 EST  

In article <26AUG199216354860@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, scam@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JOE JR. SAGGIO) writes...
>I recently bought a Takamine acoustic with built in pickup in the tailpeice
>  It is the best acoustic I've ever seen or played.  It lists for about 
>1K and I bought it used from a good friend at a music store for around 
>400.00. The direct sound is fantastic and when you combine the direct 
>signal, straight into the board, with a mic input into the board the result
>gives me a boner.  The playability is phenomenal, however, I strung it with
>10's and adjusted the neck to give a very easy action.  I did lose a little 
>volume but the result was worth it.
> 
>joe
> 
> 

hey joe,

didn't relize you were SO into your guitar. is that kind of 
interest entirerly healthy?  ;-)

v8

ps. when's the tape come out?!?
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Re: Fender Strat Selector Switch
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:20:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.163254.20083@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com> mongeau@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (Mike Mongeau) writes:
>I'm having a minor problem with the pickup selector switch on my
>Japanese-built 1991 Fender Standard Strat.  If I happen to bump
>the switch while playing, one of the pickups will drop out and 
>I have to jiggle the switch to get it back.  There is also an
>occasional crackling noise when switching among the various
>positions. 
>
>   mongeau@nmc.ed.ray.com                                Marlboro, MA
is take it to a place that does fretted instrument repair
My guitar was doing (basically)the same thing.
I paid $50 and they checked all the wiring,grounds,switches
regrounded the pickups(cut the noise by 80%)Found a broken
wire(inside the wiring holes inside the body**a bitch to
find yourself if you don't want to solder your shit back
together***)
They also re-surfaced the fretts for $25 extra(the notes
were going dead past the 11th or 12th frett)

Now the thing is killer,it's got the power back,and play's
smooth.I would recommend it,it's worth the money if you
want to play half-seriuosly.
	4 what it's worth
	THE HAM)

Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
From: sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold)
Subject: Re: What is the 12 bar blues rule?
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:07:17 GMT

dti@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Robert Mittelstadt) writes:

> 12 bar blues is a somewhat standard  form for blues that's become pretty
> much, well, standard.. Usually a I-IV-V pattern.. Like...
>  
> A (one measure) D (one measure) A, A, D, D, A, A, E, D, A, A
  1               2               3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12

EDITOR'S NOTE:
-------------
	It's called 12 bar blues because if you count, it takes twelve
bars (measures) to complete the progression.

steve

-- 
   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: tsw1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Thomas S Wilson)
Subject: Wanted: midi foot controller
Reply-To: wilson@ee.msstate.edu
Organization: I'm not very organized!
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:49:35 GMT

Anyone out there want to get rid of a midi foot controller?



-- 
         
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From: chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Which Fender Strat is best ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:35:04 GMT
Reply-To: chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Can anyone tell me which type of Strat is best American or Mexican ? Are
any of the Japanese copies as good ? Also what sort of prices should you
pay ? Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:34:09 CST

Jerry asked that I post this for him, because he can't post to this
group from his location.
 
brian
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
 
In article <16850BC99.ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU>, you write:
>Please realize, I'm not a long time Martin-hater, in fact, at one time
>I had fond dreams of someday being able to afford one, but the more
>of them that I play, the more convinced I become that there are
>better guitars for the money.  I'm sure that I'm not the only "ignoramus"
>out here who holds this "low-quality" opinion.....Ignoramus' Unite!!
>>
>>BTW, Taylors are nice instruments, comparable to Martin in terms of
>>quality.
>>
>>Guilds? Ha HA HA HA HA!!
>Ever played one side-by-side with a Martin?
 
I can't post articles, would you mind posting this for me?
 
 
I too am a "low quality ignoramus" as I have played a Guild for 19 years
and would not trade it for a Martin if my life depended on it.
Furthermore, my cousin who owns a Martin (an old one mind you) thinks my
Guild kicks butt over his Martin as far as sound is concerned.  I've always
felt Martin was overated, and wonder if anyone out there knows which
"pro's" play Martins vs Guild vs Taylor vs Takamine vs ??  Any takers?
 
 
Your's in ignorance
Jerry
Jerry Low
 
low%ssdvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com
The opinions expressed here do not reflect the opinions of MDSSC.
 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fishead@cwis.unomaha.edu (David L. Britton)
Subject: Re: HELP : where order finished guitar body ??
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:51:26 GMT

I don't know how much luck you'll have finding a pre-finished body, but
there's a company called Warmouth that sells prefabricated guitar and bass
parts.  Check your latest issue of Guitar, Guitar Player, Guitar World, or
Guitar School.  They usually advertise in those magazines.  If you can't find
their number or address, drop me a line and I'll get it for you.

By the way, these guys are good.  The neck and body of my guitar are form
Warmouth, and I love the feel and sustain I get from them.

Dave 

p.s. get a car (not from ZZ)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: chetter@leland.Stanford.EDU (chet pager)
Subject: Lost & Wanted
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 05:42:42 GMT

Wow!  I just discovered ftp at cs.uwp.edu and nevada.  This stuff is
amazing!!  Actually, while I'm mind-boggled, for people without easy ftp
access, 1) I suppose rn newsgroups don't have nearly as much?, 2) As I
barely even have rn, is there a bitnet/email way of getting guitar stuff?

Anyway, what I really want to ask about is.....

I would LOVE the chords to:   My Hometown, Bruce Springsteen
			Netherlands, John Foggardy.

Anyone have these?
		**Please email responces to chetter@leland.stanford.edu
Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: scam@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JOE JR. SAGGIO)
Subject: ADA MP-1
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 1992 09:17 EST  

I'm interested in buying one of the ADA MP-1's.  I wonder how good they 
sound through an amp and especially direct to the board.(can't crank out 
the marshall in an apartment). Also, I guess they list for about, what, 
600.00? How far can the dealers be talked down?

Joe
From: brad@slammer.UUCP (Brad Isley)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:26:45 GMT
Organization: Just me & my computers

In article <1992Aug27.135707.28356@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jgn@vixen.uucp (22122-niederberger) writes:

>Your humble opinion is obviously ill-informed, behind-the-times,
>of-low-quality, and not-to-be-taken-seriously.   
...
>Guilds? Ha HA HA HA HA!!
>
>IMHO (no flames please).

I'll agree there - your opinion is quite humble...   And not a mature one.
Let's just put it this way:

	Your humble opinion is obviously ill-informed, behind-the-times,
	of-low-quality, and not-to-be-taken-seriously.

Howzzat?  Shall we add, "Immature, conceited, and unpopular?"

>Joe N.

'Scuse me?  You are quite in the minority here, with your Guild bashing.
Out of all the posts in this thread, I think I counted at least three that
recommended Guild.  Care to explain why EVERY SINGLE TIME a player hears my
1965 D-50 or my new D25-12 for the first time demands to know where they
can go buy one just like it because it sounds SO DAMN GOOD?  Or why, when
Charlie Pride played the old '65 at the Grand Old Opre, he liked it so much
he bought it on the spot?  I have been offered $2000 for it, and it's a bit
beat up.

Don't ask for flames, then ask for no flames.

Personally, I don't like the Martin guitar sound.  It's too thin for my taste.
But, there's no accounting for taste.  I prefer a real acoustic guitar, Guild.
If you're looking for a nice acoustic, try Martin, Taylor, Alvarez, Takamine,
Gibson etc.  Then try Guild.  Don't waste your time with Fender.

That's MY (not-so) humble opinion.  It's also a popular one.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu(131.216.1.11) for 8/25 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:32:56 GMT

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From: schouten@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Scale Length and Fret layout
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:27:33 GMT
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D

Does anyone know a (the?) formula for determining fret positions based
on the scale length?  Does it vary for nylon vs. steel strings?
Also, on a steel string, with a slanted bridge, do you measure scale
length for the high string, low string, or somewhere in the middle?

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu