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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Khuzestan, Pol-e dokhtar (AzarbayejAn)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:56:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4Htr.J6y
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

manizh@eng.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi) writes:


>In article <Bw0qo5.B34@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>>>>
>>
>>
>>I remember one year instead of going to KHORRAM ABAD
>>as we usually took to get to TEHRAAN  we took the road
>>to KERMAANSHAH.  This road brached off the main road close to POLE DOKHTAR.
>>Of course that is also the road to AZARBAIJAAN (MEEYAANEH VA TABRIZ).
>>We had a very nice trip to KERMANSHAH and AZARBAIJAAN that year and
>>I was only 13 at the time and have a lot of nice memories of that trip.
>>Now, POLE DOKHTAR is in the middle of mountains and it is partly destroyed
>>(although I do not know the cause).  Could this be the same POL?
>>
>>Ala
>>

>Yes, it is the same one. Now, there is a new bridge next to it.
>The old one is called Pol-e dokhtar and it was blown up during world war II.
>However, I don't remember who blew it up.  There is some kind of taboo
>attatched to the bridge too. Unfortunately, I don't remember it.

>-Reza

The bridge is probably an antient bridge that has to be preserved.
The mystery about the bridge is probably from the mystery about the place.
In fact LORESTAAN itself seems mysterious to me.
The reason POLE DOKHTAR is famous is because it is the first stop
in LORESTAAN after leaving KHOOZESTAAN.
I never forget those trips.  On hot summer days ANDIMESHK was the last
city in KHOOZESTAAN.  Then there was a bridge (a railroad bridge, I guess)
That is where the KHOOZESTAAN flat starts and you enter the mountains.
Probably there is 2 to 3 hours to get to POLE DOKHTAR from there.
On the way there are a few very steep slopes on the road.  One of them
is close to TANGE FANNI (does anyone remember this place?)
I remember one year we witnessed a semi turned over and the driver killed.
TANGE FANNI was famous for being DARREHE MARG.

A trivia.

Does anyone know where is the tomb of SARBAAZE GOMNAAM in Iran?
Does anyone know the story behind it?

Ala
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Khomeini's tomb exploded
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:12:44 GMT

In article farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> So far, I have not heard or read any confirmations of this from
|> any source other than MKO but, in my view, the western media
|> would want to report such an explosion, if it were true.
|> Has anyone? If so, please quote from that source.
|>           
|>  - Farzin
|>               


I too had a hard time believing MKO,  but I called Iran and it was
confirmed.  It was not as big as MKO described.

quote from:  Ammeh Jon.   :-)

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In Article 9368 in soc.culture.iranian ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) arr-arrs:


>Stop barking man;
>Where were you and the rest of your atheist friend's when that bitch was
>insulting our god and our religion.  I didn't hear any barking then. I was

You must be deaf then.  A bunch of us posted articles disagreeing with
the tactic of ridiculing religion.  But as you have shown so well,
you yourself are the biggest disgrace to your religion.

Your god and your religion doesn't need crap like you to defend them.

>sweet to answer them back the way that they really deserve. Well, I have
>some bad news for you, I am not a good Muslim but I have respect for all 
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
or a good anything for that matter..

We already know you are a moron.  If you yourself admit that you are not a
good muslim, then don't screw up good muslims by trying to defend them, and
making them look bad.  Your vulgar posts don't insult anybody but yourself,
and the more you post, the more stupid you look, and even muslims disagree
with you. 

>vulgar articles.HOGWASH.  If you don't want shit to cover your face stop
>farting buddy, we are living in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the

You're a sick man. It is in the United States of America that people are allowed
to voice their opinions, and if you can't stand that, then go back to the
sewer which created you.  Your tyrrany won't fly here, buster.


no regards,

Agha Javad
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From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: Dept. of Triggery
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:23:13 GMT

In article <Bvz982.M0w@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T
Minhas) writes:
>this interchange between hooshyar and keivan is making me gag! what is this
>hi hooshyar jan, salam kaivan khan, and all variations of it back and forth
>back and forth like a teniss game. you guys make me want to puke. i bet you
>guys drink tea with your pinky finger  sticking out! you guys probably eat
>tofu ice cream and like to use the phrase "pompous ass" also! 
>
>(for all of my fans out there who are willing to jump on me for the littlest
>things, that was a joke)

Zafar jAn!!

Talking about jokes I remember this one (please note that this is only a
joke):

The guy was running around the neighbourhood and counting 11, 11, 11.  A
passer asked 'what is this 11, 11?'  He replied '12, 12, 12.'  Somebody else 
asked 'are you crazy?'  He turned around and said '13, 13, 13!'  Finally a
big guy stopped him and said 'de begoo bibinam, cheteh?  dardet chieh?'  The
guy replied 'nothing I was counting fozools!'  [Correct Arabic pronounciation
of this word is 'fodhool' - HFN]

ostAd Zafar, I hope you liked my joke as much as I liked yours.  I tried my
best not to identify the characters of my joke with any person in this
public forum.

Zafar khAn, although it is known that addressing people using expressions 
like khAn, jAn, AghA, ostAd, ghorbAn, GerAmi is a sign of respect and dignity,
nevertheless, at times these trigger words 'zir-e nerv-e adamhA-ee miravad
ke respect mispect halishoon nist.'  [a translation could be 'would go under
the nerve of few people who are not accustomed in acknowledging their
'shanavandeh' as such. - HFN]

ghorbonet,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Bruce.Scott@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:04:23 GMT

Ala writes:

"Considering the small population of the Abu-musaa and the fact that
no one lives on the other two islands the arguement for the well
being of POOR FISHERMANS does not seem that significant knowing that
these people would probably not benefit from being with shaky Arab
states on the margin of PERSIAN Gulf.  The well being of Iranian
people is without any doubt is in control of their trade routes.
This is regardless of the type of government in place in Iran.
The threats and political pressures exist but can always be dealt
with diplomacy."

	This is very interesting rhetoric indeed! Please explain to all
of us lurkers from The Great Satan (tm) how you intend to argue against
the last/next aggressive act by the US? Your language is identical to
that of Henry Kissinger when asked about the effect of US nuclear
testing on the inhabitants of nearby Pacific Islanders: "There's only 90
thousand of them anyway. Who gives a damn?" I guess things change when
Iran suddenly finds itself in our usual position: threat to trade
routes. This is precisely why we are so interested in the Gulf, and is
why we rained metal products all over Iraq. Deadly and against human
rights, to be sure, but countries will always act this way when their
perceived interests are at risk. Iran shows once again tht it is no
exception to the rules that govern the anarchy of international
interaction.

Gruss,
Dr Bruce Scott                             The deadliest bullshit is
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik       odorless and transparent
bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de                 -- W Gibson

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From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: India wants permanent U.N. Security Council seat
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:01:18 GMT

In article <anand.718909582@cds705>, anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:
> mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:
> 
> 
> >	NEW DELHI, India (UPI) -- A foreign ministry official said Saturday
> >that India has formally staked its claim to a permanent seat in the
> >United Nations Security Council, contending the present membership
> >structure is unfair.
> 
> > ... has contended that as home to more than
> >one-seventh of the global population it had a right to be represented
> >permanently on the council.
> 
> Incidentally, China, which has a permanent seat in the Security Council
> has spurned the idea of India getting a seat in the Security Council at
> the recent Non-Aligned Conference at Djakarta(?). China, which is not a
> member of the NAM was invited to the Conference as an observer.
> 
> anand
> --
> Screw PBS & NPR news. Tired of news "sanitized for your protection?". Try:
> misc.activism.progressive, "Lies Of Our [NY]Times", "Z" magazine (Boston).
> KPFA 94.1 FM (Bay Area), 90.7 (L.A.), 90.1 (Houston, TX), 89.3 (Washington,
DC)
> These are my opinions, not my employer's. 


India should not be asking for a seat in the security council. It should drum
up support for the abolition of this (Security Council) highly oligarchic and
undemocratic structure.

--Javed.
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From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: The result of being polite!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:11:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.153559.3853@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:

>Neither will it be built by a bunch of self-righteous "I-know-better-than
>-you" backward anti-Islamic and anti-Iranian hypocrites. I would much
>rather live in a shack with the bare necessities and breath freely rather
>than live in a golden prison with all the amenities.
> ...
>Aref

You see! This is the result of being polite! I ask those people who ask me
to react only with "reason" and "logic" to review their theorems. I really
am not surprised to see this. This is the same guy who knew the name and
specifications of the prostitutes of "shahre no" by heart! (I had never
heard of them in my life!) Aref khAn, are you among the average of the people 
in exile, or among the better ones?

Seyyed.
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What to think?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:36:05 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Dear Mellissa:
I am touched by your insight regarding your quest for encreasing your
knowledge about Iranian culture. This is great that for once someone from
west has a positive view towards iranians. About you confusions regarding 
the usage of foul langauge in the news I must tell you that you have answered
yourself at the very end of your article. Iranians can be very ruthless as
long as they are sure that they can stay out of trouble themselves. This is
one case that you see that everyone is using foul language without ever looking
at the consequences of it and that is purely due to the usage of mailing system.

There is saying about Isfahani people and it says that Isfahanis when they
want to have quarral they stay on the other side of road and use the foul 
language against each other. It is in that case that they would make sure
nobody's shirt will get ripped off causing any financial damage to the both
parties. 

Now you should know more about the iranian culture than ever before

Regards

saeid

In article <1992Oct15.053549.4459@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi) writes:
>      I have been reading this news group for about six months.  I am an 
> American and have studied Iranian culture and literature.  My experiences, both
> personal and academic, have been very positive.  The literary tradition is
> immense and vastly underrated in the West.  I have met many Iranians through my
> husband and, as I said, have found the experiences positive.
>      The  way in which conflicts and arguments in the news group were expressed
> came as a surprise to me.  I have never met an Iranian who would use offensive
> language in the presence of a woman.  Not because our ears are too "delicate"
> (I'm an American remember), but rather, they abstained from using this type of
> language as a sign of respect.
>      I am not offended, merely confused.  I have socialized with Iranians for
> the past five years and have never encountered conversations such as these.  On
> the contrary, Iranians, in general, seem to avoid offending people (even
> Americans :).
>      Please Note:  This is not a criticism, just a request for information!  No
> offense intended! :)
> 
> Khayli mamnun
> 
> Regards, Mellissa Namazi
> 
> P.S.  Perhaps it is because these exchanges are on a computer and therefore not
> as restrained as person to person???
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mahin@reg.triumf.ca writes:


>>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'
>>                                     ^^^^
>
>Let's ask Seyyed.  He knows EVERYTHING. Hey, Seyyed,... 
>                                                   [ (c) Life cereal ]
>
>and here's a fun experiment for Seyyed joon exclusively.  Put a cup of
>water in the microwave for a few minutes, open the door and drop a grain of
>sugar in it. *vicious laugh* Then read your Koran and try to explain the
>results.  Btw, have a first aid kit handy.:-)
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Hazrateh Zainab 

I completely accept and understand your disillusionment with Islam as we 
know it, since many of us feel the same way.  But I can't see what you're
trying to accomplish here.

By ridiculing the Koran and Hazrate Zainab, you alienate and offend many
muslims out there who might actually be cool people (i.e., unlike Seyyed),
and are much more moderate in their views.  I feel the only way we can 
advance as a people and as a country is if we all learn to coexist and 
respect each others' views, no matter which side we are on ourselves.
This process begins right here in forums like sci, where we all say what
we want freely.  Here is where we truly exercise free speech, which is a 
very very rare commodity in our culture/history/country. Let us all 
use this precious right in the most constructive ways possible.

The first thing I see coming out of this post is another confrontation with
our old buddy Seyyed, with whom arguing is really pointless and a complete
waste of bandwidth (maybe some fun in there too, but not much).  The second
thing, though, is the offending of some nice people who have nothing to do with 
the bad things that happen in the name of Islam, but just have their own 
personal beliefs in this religion. What is the good in any of these things? 



wishing you absolutely the best dairy products,


Agha Javad

(Kaleh-ghand-e-tAzeh reseed)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: siamak@sltsvr.ljo.dec.com (Parviz Siamak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: PWP - Persian Word Processor
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:51:49 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.iranian
Organization: Software Licensing Technology Group


Salam,

I am in need of a Persian Word Processor. I know there are some out there,
but I can't afford the prices at this time.

Please, if anybody has one let me know. I'll be glad to send you preformatted
floppy disks and the return address and may be a bonus to get a copy. 

Ba Tashakor,

--parviz
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:36:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cwis.saied.719001389
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:
>In article <saied.718916706@cwis> saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:

><Regarding the possibility of exchange of land for peace>

>>If the final outcome is to *save lives* and to live in *peace*
>>and if an international body such as the Int'l Court or the
>>U.N. are involved, then the situation is different and I agree
>>with Hossein.

>In October 1980, shortly after the Iraqi invasion, Iraq offered
>a peace proposal.

Your facts are wrong. The Iraqis' peace proposal came after
they were forced out of Iran. If war had stopped at that
time, surely many lives would have been saved.

>Needless to say, many lives could have been
>saved, and we could all be living in peace now if we had accepted
>that proposal.  The only problem is that there would no longer
>be an Iran to live in or to call "home" had we not resisted the
>assault the way we did. Your argument thus could lead to the 
>following scenario whereby our neighbors would gradually take
>over small pieces of Iranian territory, and we would accept,
>because we wish to "save lives" and "live in peace".  But live
>in peace *where*?  Are you suggesting that from now on we leave
>the issue of territorial integrity of Iran up to the world
>court or the UN? I am sure you remember how sympathetic the UN
>was to the case of Iran during the time Iraqi forces were
>clearly in control of large tracts of Iranian land.

The UN was never sympathetic to the Iraqis cause. From the
beginning, it called for ceasefire and an end to hostitilites.
The UN calls continued during the continuation of the war.

Look at the experience of last 8 years of war: one million
death; hundreds of thousands maimed; near three million
refugees living in deplorable situations, and an "army"
of young and educated who fled the country and are now
offering their human potential, experience, and expertise
to the west. All because Khomeini considered war a
"divinely blessing.''

>-Payman
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From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: No you are certainly not alone (Was: Re: Use of Foul Language)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:52:21 GMT

me12@prism.gatech.EDU (Ziba Derafshi) Reza Ebrahimpour write:

>Reading the recent postings in response to Mahin, Naghmeh and some other 
>female readers of this newsgroup, I was just wondering why we always attack 
>their personal lives. 

I'll tell you why.  Because we, in general, are not used to have our
female population having a mind of their own, or to have an active role
in their OWN life and most importantly to ever dare express an opinion
(however far off or on target that may be, because that is besides the
point here), on any subject.  And if and when they do, the most effective
way to shut them up is to attak their personal lives, put a nasty label
on them, consider them corrupt and "leashless", in need of a husband to
handle them, etc. etc.

If you've been around most likely you'll remember this is nothing new.
Many others before myself, Mahin and Naghmeh after myself and many others
after them have been and will continue to be insulted in this fashion,
however unfortunate that is.  The only consolation I take having been
the target of these attacks is the fact that in every single instance,
when you consider the SOURCE of the insults and attacks, it really speaks
for itself.  It is alomst always a true reflection of the character of
the attacker.

>Am I alone in thinking this way?
>Reza Ebrahimpour

Most definately not!!!


Insidentally, Mahin in one of her responces said something to the effect
of (paraphrasing), "I was not born and raised according to standards of
the Iranian society, and if that is a technique to shut the women who
dare to speak their mind, up, it does not work on me".  To that I'd say,
there are a good number of us who were born and raised by the very
standards of the Iranian society and that kind of technique does not
and has not ever worked on us either.

Soheila
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8753 soc.culture.pakistan:15553 soc.culture.arabic:4180
From: rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Please leave BAHA'IS out of this! (Re: Israel and Khomeini regimes)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:56:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Oct8.205709.705@massey.ac.nz> S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas) writes:
>
>
>Dear Kamran
>I am afraid I do not agree with you. The reason is that I have seen and
>observed from my own eyes in the regime of Shah back in 1976-79, when
>the Iranian students were taking their courses in Pkaistanis
>universities. I observed that "one" of those students is very very well
>off than all others. It can happen to anyone ? But the indepth
>observation revealed that he is getting about 2.5 times more scholarship
>money than the other Iranians are getting. The reason was that "the
>special student" was not only a student but he was also an informer to
>"someone" about the activities of other Iranian students in the campus.
>Can you believe that all Iranians will either low their radio volume or
>turn it off once they will see that "the special student" is approaching
>towards their room. Because it was not allowed for Iranians to listen
>BBC News Service, as in those days as that was the only source for
>Iranian to know what is happening within Iran. This special student was
>a "Bhahai" and of course he never went back to Iran after graduation
>from University in 1980. He is now a Pakistani national and living in
>Quetta.
>
>So, please do not "confrim" that some organization/person is not
>involved in any activity. In these days, " big people" take work from
>you (anybody, not specifically Bhahai) and even you do not know that
>that are working for somebody. Their is a hidden hand who controls such
>activities.
>
>Ghazanfar Abbas
>New Zealand.


Interesting logic, the I suppose since the Shah was Muslim, by your reasoning
then Muslims supported the Shah.  The vast majority of Savak agents were 
Muslim too.  As you are Iranian you also must realise that the term "Baha'i"
was used as an insult in Iran, just as in Nazi Germany the name "Jew" was 
insult non_jewish Germans.  

Although I would quibble with the word "nonpolitical" (I think non-partisan
is more accurate, since it would be difficult to refer to a group supporting
world government as non political")  Baha'is have been known to be imprisioned
because they don't take sides.  Both the Shah and the "Islamic" state have 
taken great pleasure in persecuting Baha'is.  Baha'is have been imprisoned in 
Iraq, the former Soviet Union, and much of the former Eastern block for the
same reason.
There are 5 million Baha'is in the world, you can't judge the whole group
by one person you suppose was a Baha'i.
 
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