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From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: some questions
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:45:30 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec15.234438.28088@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:

>Incorrect preposition, yes. But I don't think the verb parallelism is
>a problem if the speaker is, say, learning to cook from someone (on
>a daily basis perhaps) and begins to see how difficult it is. In short,
>I don't care which way the "require" gets tensed in this case given
>the correct situation.

I should've qualified my statement by saying it was technically correct,
but how often do you phrase it that way?  Usually, I BET you say it in 
parallel construction. 

>>>>6)  I didn't know you have 3 kids.
>>>>     (seems ok)
>
>Seems to me it depends on whether you're just being introduced to the
>kids or walking away from the situation in which you found out about
>them. Anyway, there are cases where the sentence as presented is
>perfectly "fluent".

Yes, there are cases, but think of WHEN YOU would make the statement in
the latter case of walking away.  Would you say to the other person
(while nodding in disbelief) 'I didn't know you have 3 kids..' or would
you say 'I didn't know you HAD 3 kids.'  Something irks me about the
first way of saying it...it ain't natural...

The purpose of the post was to help someone improve fluency, right?
In that case, I'll reconfirm my statement and say it doesn't sound
right.

Jaa, James
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From: tnishi@kansas.Berkeley.EDU (NISHIYAMA Tetsuto)
Subject: Re: Wayne Lo
Reply-To: tnishi@lsa.ncl.omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Corporate R&D H.Q.- R&D Support Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:16:48 GMT


In article <Yf=uc0W00Vp_MQNUlc@andrew.cmu.edu>, ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Rikiya Asano) writes:
|> Ladies and Gentlemen,
	[...junk deleted...]
|> it went he hook up with the skinheads! I ask you is that despert or not!
|> The skinheads don't even like Chinese! Another American gone to waste!
	[...more junk deleted...]
|> been taught about his Chinese-American heritage I really doubt that he
|> would have been a skinhead. I will kill myself the day that a Japanese
	[...and more deleted...]

	I never thought I'd be responding, but here goes...*sigh*

	One word about the Skinheads that I thought you should know.
Apparently, (don't ask me for source) there are 2 (TWO) major groups 
of Skinheads...One group "retaliates" against "normal society" so to speak,
and the other "retaliates" against those who are NOT of the caucasion race.

	Both groups look alike in appearance, no hair (obviously), T-shirt,
leather, combat boots, etc., etc., and however else they dress, but the
"racist" skinhead wears WHITE laces in their combat boots, where the 
"non-racist" group wears black.

	This is just something I heard...just so not EVERYONE thinks that
all skinheads are racist...(not that I'm one of them)...The racist skinheads
just standout more...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:52:47 GMT

In article <Bz5ypx.60w@news.cs.andrews.edu> maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>>>(This is the proper use of commas)
>>This is the proper use of periods.
>>--
>>"If your spelling and grammer is so bad, you cannot get your meaning
>>across or cause ambiguities, then it has a write to be flamed."
>                                            ^^^^^  
>right, not write
>
>>	-- dirque, on rec.games.mud
>>
>>Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
>
>Don't gripe about someone's grammar and punctuation in their second
>language if you can't spell in your first language.

This is the proper use (?) of humor-impairedness.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Chotto!!!Sexuality?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:08:28 GMT

kerkoveericj@bvc.edu writes:

> 	You guys make me feel like some perverted sex fiend for having
> to keep asking you to get back to the subject at hand.  So far, I have
> picked up the knowledge that Japanese women don't hold their virginity
> with as much reverance as I thought, but no one seems willing to expand 
> on that, (with the exception of those astounding numbers).  I would be
> interested in knowing different signs of affection (Ex.  sitting close
> and eating off of the koibito's plate) that was a good one, or about
> how long it usualy takes for a relationship to take off.  
> 
> 	Of course I realize, as I have mentioned before, each case is
> different, but their must be some norm to go by, even in America some
> behavior is considered "slutty" while others are "Nun-like".  Everyone
> has their own oppinion, and I'd like to here them.  Anyone willing to 
> bite?

Well, I guess I'l share one.  I used to live in Chiba and often bicycled 
around the ocean right in front of Makuhari Messe.  There was one bridge 
there called "Nanpa Bashi" where strange social gatherings took place 
each night.  The left side of the street (remember this is Japan :-)) 
would be filled with parked cars, each with two girls.  To the right of 
this would form another row of cars, each with two guys.  The guys' cars 
would advance to the next girls' car every minute to strike up a 
conversation.  If they get along, a guy and a girl exchange places and 
two cars are off to wherever.  I'd catch the tail-end of this stuff when 
I occasionally went biking at 4am.  I heard the zero-yon zoku used to use 
the other side of the street for racing at the same time :-)

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.223729.19712@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>In article <BzDqE6.3nB@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov
>(Michiaki Masuda) writes:

>>   Although I appreciate the crosstalk between t.p.g., which probably
>>represents one of the most American (and the least Japanese) cultures, and 
>>s.c.j. and I think that the communication between distant cultures is very 
>>important for the mutual understanding, an apprently endless discussion in a 
>>closed circuit makes me even suspect that we may not be able to understand 
>>each other after all.

>I disagree, I think that Japanese and American citizens can have
>mutually beneficial communications.  

   Probably, my expression was somehow inappropriate and caused 
a misunderstanding.

   I am one of the people who have the strongest belief that the inter-
cultural communication is highly important and useful for the 
understanding between both parties.

   What I meant to say in my previous posting was that the discussion
seemed to me to be going around a circle without a sign of progress
as if there were something that prevents the mutual understanding.

   And it was not the case....

>I'm sure that our countries can get along...I simply hope that they DO.

   We might be also able to do more than just "hope."

--Michiaki
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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: D O E S A M E ....we are being attacked.....
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:24:17 GMT
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.


Many people do not see the header of the msg that they are replying to, and
some jerks take advantage of that to start flame wars on multiple groups.
They post or repost (as their creativity is limited) something that is
sure to start strongly emotional threads on a lot of groups at once and then
watch the resulting flood of posting. We have been the victim of such. 
The only thing that we can do is to make sure that we edit the "Newsgroups:" 
down to a reasonable subset , in this case probably just s.c.j

The reason that I am allowing this to spread out to all of the other
groups , is to warn all of those who have been conned in this fashion.


Charlie
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From: pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Chotto!!!Sexuality?
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:55:10 GMT
Organization: Sony Corporation,Communication Products Group Audio Products
	Div,Atsugi,Japan.
In-reply-to: kerkoveericj@bvc.edu's message of 16 Dec 92 18:19:07 GMT


>how long it usualy takes for a relationship to take off.

	Even with the poorest knowledge in physics, I can tell you that
in any phenomenon I know, the effect is reached quiclky if you invest
a lot of energy and encounter not much resistance.

	Example : How long does it take for a plane to take off ?
It depends on the power of the engines, and on the weight and load of the
plane. Simple, right?

				Pascal   -fin aussi-
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  Communication Products Group Audio Products Div
  Atsugi TEC, Japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern University marching band in To^kyo^
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:54:27 GMT

In article <NOMURA.92Dec15213327@zen.uta.edu> nomura@zen.uta.edu
(Seiichi Nomura) writes:
>I've read news that Japanese police are cracking down and 
>arresting Chinese and Iranians all over for their illegal

This doesn't surprise.  They should be kicked out of the country.

>entry and illegal use of telephone cards.
>It would bother me if the reason police did not arrest the students 
>[TSU students] is because they are from the U.S.

The average person in Japan (but not in the gov't) is fairly honest.
The shops in Japan do not yet have the incredible array of anti-theft
devices with which American stores are armed.

The reason that we in the USA are in such a state is because we have
so many bozos like those TSU students who are willing to steal.  I'm not
talking about stealing because of hard times.  I'm talking about people
stealing for the HELL OF IT (like in the LA riots), and we the people
let those bozos get away with it.

Anyhow, I keep seeing the image of more or less pliant shopkeepers (sort of
like sheep) who would not expect someone to steal in broad daylight, and
here come a bus load of *ssh*l*s (sort of like wolves) from America
slinking into the docile abodes of unsuspecting shopkeepers and ripping
the whole joint off.  Crap.

Every single damn one of those *ssh*l*s should have been locked up and
put on trial in a Japanese court.  Since none of them are diplomats,
they don't have diplomatic immunity and would likely get jail time.  Hell.
They ought to get jail time.

I want those *ssh*l*s to know that, in some parts of the world, you can't
sucker people as badly as you can sucker people in America.  When you 
do crap like that--without just cause like a starving family to support,
you do _TIME_!  When you rip off innocent people in L.A., you _SHOULD_ do
_TIME_!

And I seriously doubt that the "Reverend" Al Sharpton's "appeals" will have
any impact on the Japanese or their court system.  In fact, he'd probably
have a negative impact.  Good.  Those *ssh*l*s deserve an even longer sentence.

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From: merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Are there any punk bands in Japan?
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:16:19 GMT
	<1992Dec10.133210.1005@gssec.bt.co.uk>
	<1ggrvhINNhlp@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Boston University Physics Department
In-reply-to: lindaa@omen.Berkeley.EDU's message of 14 Dec 92 02:36:33 GMT

In article <1ggrvhINNhlp@agate.berkeley.edu> lindaa@omen.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:


   In article <1992Dec10.133210.1005@gssec.bt.co.uk> apeedle@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Peedle) writes:
   >There's a Japanese band who are currently really hip in the UK called Shonen
   >Knife. They are a 3 girl group who look kind of cute, dress in really colourful
   >outfits and play loud Ramones-style punk music.
   >
   >They've been receiving a fair amount of airplay on national radio and had a
   >couple of slots on TV. I guess they're current popularity stems for them being
   >something of a novelty at the moment, so chances are maybe they wont be so hip
   >in a year or so's time. Still, they're worth checking out.

>   I saw Shonen Knife approx. a year ago at the I-Beam in SF; at that time
>   (and probably still) the darlings of the alternative rock scene (Red Kross,
>   Sonic Youth have done covers of their songs).  They were SO bad, the bass
>   guitarist and drummer couldn't even keep a coherent back beat.  I pretty
>   much rate them with Fuzz Box (remember them?).


I saw the girls from Osaka here in September. They were touring behind
the "Pretty Little Baka Guy" album. They were very tight 2 second
intervals between songs. Loud,grungey, fast guitar with the drum beats
to match. Sounded like the album.  

It's punk the way I remeber '77-'82. I liked them alot.


-sjm


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:39:44 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Distribution: usa
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


=> In article <Dec15.014538.77541@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> 
=> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

=> >	I think that the deceased did not understand exactly what "freeze" 
=> >	meant.  As he is from one of the best schools in the area (he was from 
=> >	my home town), he may have known the word "freeze" to mean that "liquid
=> >	becomes solid," but may not have known to mean "to stop whatever you
=> >	are doing and stand still!!!"  

In article <1992Dec15.222507.18284@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, 
osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:

=> 	I suspect this as well.  Very sad indeed that someone may have been
=> 	killed over so subtle a misunderstanding.  Beyond all other points,
=> 	facts and issues surrounding this story, I still do not understand
=> 	how a young man like this can be sent abroad without such knowledge.
=> 	Cops use the term "freeze" plenty frequently enough to make it a very
=> 	significant slang term and one that a traveler should be aware of.

Geeze, Mr. X... do you know what words the police use to command suspects
to "halt" in Japanese, French, German, Finnish... or any other language
for that matter? Do you still think it's any realistic way to teach
foreign visitors when their demise may be emminent? Are we in such a
state of affairs, that foreign guidebooks need to list any and all
potential dangerous situations. If you were to visit Japan, would you
look in a guidebook for the Japanese equivalent to "freeze"? If you
don't understand how a young man can be sent abroad without such
knowledge than please realize how easy it is for you to be sent abroad
without such knowledge. There may be many people to blame in this
incident - in some part - but when we start reaching to pass some of
the blame on lack of training, it might be a lot more realistic to
look at the other end of the gun first.

- Bill Lambert

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Not a myth at all
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:24:20 GMT

In article <1l#@byu.edu> luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.171224.7022@ils.nwu.edu> John C. White <white@ils.nwu.edu> writes:
>>In article <MARTIN.92Dec8142645@yeti.kawa.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp> S.C.T.
>>Martin, martin@kawa.ssl.fujitsu.co.jp writes:
>>>You sound like you are having a bad time. Why are you still
>>>there/here? I've only ever been harrassed by drunks at stations and
>>>yet to suffer any REAL racism. How long will it take? I haven't been
>>>in Japan very long yet.
>
>>After about 6 months, it hit me like a bomb. After the novelty of my
>>situation wore off and I could really see how certain Japanese were
>>reacting to me. I have many terrific memories and some really bad ones.
>
>>I think every white american could benefit immensely by spending a year
>>in Japan. It really wakes you up and makes you sensitive to the pain
>>associated with the many subtle forms of racism.
>
>Just to add a data point.  The subject of "are foreigners subject to
>racist behavior in Japan" seems to be one of major "your milage may
>vary" proportions.  Personally, I believe that there is discrimination
>in Japan, and a fair amount of racist attitude, particularly directed
>towards Middle Easterners and Southeast Asians.  On the other hand, in
>my 2.5 years or so of experience in Japan, I have never felt harassed
>or mistreated because of my race.  (If you don't count kids looking at
>you in amazement, saying "Gaijin da!" and "Disu izu a pen!")
>
>I wonder sometimes why some people have such a bad time, while others
>don't.  Are some people just more sensitive and easily perturbed, or
>do they go looking for trouble and thus find it?  Do some people expect
>bad treatment, and thereby invite it, or do they act in racist-type
>manners towards the Japanese, and so get racistized in return?  Or is
>it just dumb luck?

Did you look for an apartment? That's where poeple usually encounter it first.
Second is when they try to get into some of the smaller shops that sell 
various kinds of food and are told "no foreigners" (when I was there, there
was a fist fight between some French tourists and the owner of a small 
restaurant at near the top of Mt Fuji when the owner refused to let foreigners
in. He was eventually forced by the government to allow foreigners into his
shop).

On the other hand, much of the racism is much more positive; you are foreign
and therefore you are better (more independant, more creative, kinder to 
women, or whatever). Now I personally don't mind receiving better treatment 
for whatever silly reason, but assuredly it is racism.

Mike
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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: 50 YEARS AGO TODAY: December 7, 1942 - a retrospective
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:47:46 GMT

Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:

>It is arguably US-centric to call refer to today as ``the anniversary of the
>first year of WWII.''  My technical justification for referring to December 7,
>1941 as the start of WWII is that prior to that date, there were two wars; the
>European war and the Japan/China war.  

Well at least you present an argument for your statement. The last time
this thread started up, a poster said, "well it wasn't really a 
"world" war until WE were involved."

Actually, I believe it was a world war from 1939. The theatre of fighting
extended into Africa and the Middle East, not to mention the Soviet Union 
in 1941.  The combatant nations included Canada, Australia, etc. and there 
were naval operations, e.g. the Battle of the Rio Platte, all over the
place.

If 1939 to 1941 was not a world war, well 1914-1918 wasn't either.


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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.america,alt.sex,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.african.american,sci.electronics,misc.consumers,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:41:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BzD2DF.HsJ
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Dec15.214210.19181@oakhill.sps.mot.com> rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>Let's get this discussion back on the REAL message of the
>original post: the Japanese coordinated attack on industry
>in the US, and the mercantilistic trading practices of Japan.

The problem with the mercantilist system is it is unsustainable - it 
requires your partner's economy to be continuously expanding, something
that a massive trade imbalance will work against.  In addition if the
domestic demenad is aenemic [as is the case in Japan], the enormous 
surplus *will* be reflected in inflation of some sort [the real estate
market in Japan] that will burst during an economic downturn, unless
it is based upon an expended commodity [Dutch Tulipomania in the 1700s],
in which cvase the market will get VERY soft.

This sounds all well and good, that the trade books must be balanced for
the long term health of the economy, but since no one realizes this,
or only gives lip-service, the imbalances continue.

[Note I am not BLAMING Japan for manufacturing desirable goods, just the
practices that the economic policies encourage are not in the best interests
of Japanese Economic health nor are they in her trading partners]
[Look at how the property based loan system of the '80s is backfiring, and
the stock market is devaluated - sure signs of a surplus, and the paying
the piper for it syndrome]


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