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From: GECKO <gecko@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Wisdom Galore!
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:42:02 GMT

Stephen Grossman <PMSC123G@UMASS.EDU> writes:
>        If you know of a philosopher with more wisdom than Ayn Rand please 
>enlighten me.

  Chuang Tzu comes to mind...


   - GECKO

  "Once a man receives this fixed bodily form, he holds on to it,
   waiting for the end. Sometimes clashing with things, sometimes
   bending before them, he runs his course like a galloping steed,
   and nothing can stop him. Is he not pathetic?  Sweating and
   laboring to the end of his days and never seeing his accomplish-
   ments, utterly exhausting himself and never knowing where to look
   for rest--can you help pitying him? I'm not dead yet! he says, but
   what good is that? His body decays, his mind follows it--can you
   deny that this is a great sorrow? Man's life has always been a
   muddle like this. How could I be the only muddled one, and other
   me not muddled?"
                          - Chuang Tzu (Watson's translation)



gecko@zooid.guild.org
Xref: sparky talk.philosophy.misc:3094 sci.philosophy.tech:4644 sci.philosophy.meta:2864
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.philosophy.meta
Subject: Re: Philosophy Departments in New England...
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec30.025801.18894
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <C02211.Cwx@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.155838.16007@viewlogic.com>, 
>przemek@tokamak.viewlogic.com (Przemek Skoskiewicz) writes:

PS:
>>I'm seriously considering graduate study in philosophy, specifically cognitive
>>philosophy.  What are the recommended schools that I should check out?  Since I
>>live near Boston, that area interests me the most.  Any recommendations?

I have but a vague idea as to what you mean by "cognitive philosophy".
If your interest is in the Dennett-like <epithet>, try MIT, or the
original den of iniquity, UC San Diego.  Personally, I think that your
stated discipline is a misnomer, and if your interest is in the issues,
rather than labels, you ought to study philosophy of science, logic, and
psychology.  University of Pittsburg is one of the best in philosophy of
science, and rated second overall; Princeton is the first. Harvard,
Berkeley, and UCLA follow.  Berkeley is often regarded as better than
Harvard; both UC schools are world-class in formal logic, with UCLA
currently enjoying a slight edge.  Stanford should be noted for its
Center for the Study of Language and Information.  University of
Massachusetts, Amherst is the highest rated local public school.

SG:
>    There are no philosophy departments in New England. 

Grossman, by your lights, there are no philosophy departments anywhere in
the world.  Why, those retrogrades are still reading books and journals,
insted of opening themselves up for new audio vistas of the collected
Objectivist answering machine messages!

Look, why do you bother?  Obviously, no one around here is equipped to
appreciate your subtle wit.  Why not retire to a more promising venue of
like-minded "rational egoists", instead of carrying on this interminable
soliloquy?

>================================================================================
>	"In that world, you'll be able to rise in the morning with the spirit
>you had known in your childhood: that spirit of eagerness, adventure and cer-
>tainty which comes from dealing with a rational universe."
>                                                              AYN RAND
>================================================================================
>Stephen Grossman <PMSC13SG@UMASS.EDU>
>================================================================================

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Introduction to Objectivism
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:33:35 GMT

In article <4RaswB5w165w@momad.li.ny.us> siphon@momad.li.ny.us 
(Stimpson J. Katz) writes:

   >If I do not reason from Objectivist premises or if I err in so 
   >reasoning, I expect to be corrected and will gain from the transaction.

  This whole spiel should go into talk.religion.misc, surely?
Xref: sparky talk.philosophy.misc:3095 sci.philosophy.tech:4647 sci.philosophy.meta:2865
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: Morally good necessary possible sometimes possible reproductiveness
Followup-To: talk.philosophy.misc,rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:19:31 GMT

	To all the folks out in rec.arts.books:

	As an act of civil disobedience, stemming from Mickey's tendency to
clutter up your newsgroup, I hereby declare that, from now on, I'm going to
direct everything from alt.video.games.classic, alt.music.bass, and every 
other group that has nothing to do with anything onto alt.politics.
homosexuality.
	On second thought, that would probably just annoy everyone there but
Mickey. It was a nice thought, though.

							-jesse
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi)
Subject: Re: Arab preservation of "european" thought
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:12:12 GMT

The below letter was initially emailed, but didn't make it to its
destination after a couple tries.  I'm pretty sure that Joseph Askew's
address is bogus ("oz" isn't a valid domain, is it?).  Anyway, I think
the letter is of general interest either way.

In article <1980@spamis.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
>In article <Bz10nC.Du3@nic.umass.edu> quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi) writes:
.........Much Deletiae......
>>  None of this is to insult the intellectual
>>tradition of Turkey, of course

>What intellectual tradition? Can you name one Turkish intellectual who
>has had any impact on European thinking? or Western civilisation? or
>Arab civilisation? or anywhere outside Turkey?

>Wrong again. The Renaissance started in Italy brought on by the large
>number of Greek Scholars fleeing the brutal conquest, pillage and rape
>of the Eastern Empire by the semi-savage Turks. This is a matter of
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	....Abridged.....
>The Arabs played little or no part in Western Civilisation. What part
>they did play was mostly as intermediaries - bring paper to Europe from
>China for instance. You can see this by listing the number of European
>scholars who felt the need to learn Arabic.     That's about all of them.

 I won't bother rehashing for you all the back and forths on this topic
 which my very casual comment on another thread spawned.  I guess if
 you're really curious, I could find the saved versions of what I
 saved, and email you.  I think the general opinion of those most
 knowledgeable on this question (which I don't claim is me), was that
 byzantium did not preserve many of the classical texts, nor the
 *classical* greek language... at least not significantly.
       What's much more alarming than any disagreement on the facts
 of the transmission of classical texts (about which I would willingly
 admit error, if evidence is presented), is the vehemence with which
 you denounce Arab scholarship (and Turkish as well, even though I did
 not discuss it).  Your tone really borders on a racist eurocentrism.
 I'm sure you don't want to give this impression -- but I'm also sure
 that I'm not the only one who will get this impression.
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Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Religion vs science: two questions, concluded
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:28:05 GMT

jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:

>>It would be interesting if people would post what they think the word
>>faith means and then a citation from their dictionary with reference. 

>>Gene Kochanowsky

>But not on sci.physics, please.

Hear, hear!
-- 
        Joe Fineman             jcf@world.std.com
        239 Clinton Road        (617) 731-9190
        Brookline, MA 02146
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: MILITARY PURPOSE OF JONESTOWN MASS-MURDER
From: wright@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Michael G. Wright)
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:28:56 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

Hmmm, this posting was a little too long. Could you make the following ones
shorter? There's only so much I'll read to get a good laugh.

-- 
Michael Wright            _-_|\    
LaTrobe University,      /     \   Hang on! I've got to think of something 
Melbourne, Australia.    \_.-_*/   smart to put in here now! 
wright@latcs1.lat.oz.au       v
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Jackson?
From: wildcard@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:23:56 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Dec18.201549.353@sfu.ca>, skolos@shnext32.ucslabs.sfu.ca (Chet Skolos) writes:
> Michael Jackson and Latoya Jackson the same person????


Of course their the same person.  Either that or they are twins.

Th.
From: sunilg@access.digex.com (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Morrissey and Michael Stipe
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:03:55 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed) writes:
: I heard that Morrissey and Michael Stipe (REM) are/were lovers.  Does
: anybody know anything about this?
: 
: the exploding boy.

Actually, I had heard that they are the same person, so it it probably
true that they are lovers.
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: BINGO!
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:04:32 GMT

wright@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Michael G. Wright) writes:

>pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes:

>>Just when I thought there would be no more rumours...

>>Rumour has it that tomorrow there will be more european
>>Internet users then the whole population in the US!

>I can't believe this. If it is true then the Europeans are a _very_ quiet group
>concerning postings (or maybe Americans just post so much because they have to
>get everyone to hear every one of their opinions... (insert many smileys here))

Maybe it's because Americans are lazy dogs who spend most of their 
working hours posting to InterNet rather than doing their jobs :-)  
--
Dave!
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Kasem/Skelton death rumors
Keywords: Kasem, Skelton, comedy, Top 40, death, life
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:14:14 GMT

In <BzxFq8.AAx@csn.org> bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger) writes:


>I heard that Casey Kasem, homunculus and one-time "star" of "America's Top 40"
>is dead, but it wasn't from A.I.D.S.

I haven't heard he's dead. Like Richard Pryor, I'm sure it would be in
the news. (Not that we get any over the holidays.)

If he did die of anything, it would have been "extreme liberalism."

>Contrariwise, I heard that so-called "comedian" Red Skelton isn't dead, but he
>has the antibiotic-resistant Tuberculosis.

Don't know, don't care.

Michael
I recently died of boredom
From: aj165@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim O'Reilly)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Kasem/Skelton death rumors
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:30:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Not having much to do with Kasem/Skelton, but entertainment related:
does anyone have copies of the famous "7 Lost Episodes" of Laverne &
Shirley in which Phil Collins plays the role of "SQUIGGY"?
     I have seen a few of them, but have never been able to get copies. WILL
PAY REASONABLE FEE. Thanks!
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 02:46:56 MST
From: <KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: whitney and bobby
Distribution: usa
 <168C0EEFE.P1721@vmcms.csuohio.edu> <BD.92Dec18084603@fluent.UUCP>

I'm not sure I've heard of a breakup but I have heard there are problems..
I'm still trying to figure out how or why these 2 ever got together...
I'm waiting for the 'real' story behind their marriage to come out.
From: pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: BINGO!
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:25:17 GMT
Organization: The Danish BioBase

Just when I thought there would be no more rumours...

Rumour has it that tomorrow there will be more european
Internet users then the whole population in the US!

Why are we so few... _sigh_
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger)
Subject: Kasem/Skelton death rumors
Summary: one's dead, the other isn't
Keywords: Kasem, Skelton, comedy, Top 40, death, life
Organization: Bob's Your U.N.C.L.E.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 16:42:07 GMT


I heard that Casey Kasem, homunculus and one-time "star" of "America's Top 40"
is dead, but it wasn't from A.I.D.S.

Contrariwise, I heard that so-called "comedian" Red Skelton isn't dead, but he
has the antibiotic-resistant Tuberculosis.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: whitney and bobby
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:46:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: .

(Liquid Light) writes:
>
>>>I'm not sure I've heard of a breakup but I have heard there are problems..
>>>I'm still trying to figure out how or why these 2 ever got together...
>>>I'm waiting for the 'real' story behind their marriage to come out.
>>Hey, where do you all hear these stories?  I'd like to be able to read some of this too!
>
>Bobby was her beard and she's decided to shave it off...

Actually, I heard she _waxed_ him....
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: scottso@panix.com (Liquid Light)
Subject: Re: whitney and bobby
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:57:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Panix, (Home of the overflowing ashtray )

In <1992Dec21.175334.21192@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High) writes:

>In article <92356.024656KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> <KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>I'm not sure I've heard of a breakup but I have heard there are problems..
>>I'm still trying to figure out how or why these 2 ever got together...
>>I'm waiting for the 'real' story behind their marriage to come out.

>Hey, where do you all hear these stories?  I'd like to be able to read some of this too!

Bobby was her beard and she's decided to shave it off...


-- 
    		   **************************************
  		   *This space intentionally left bland.*
      		   * Scottso (liquid light) Connor.     *
      		   **************************************
From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Kasem/Skelton death rumors
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:05:19 GMT
Reply-To: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, aj165@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim O'Reilly) says:

>Not having much to do with Kasem/Skelton, but entertainment related:
>does anyone have copies of the famous "7 Lost Episodes" of Laverne &
>Shirley in which Phil Collins plays the role of "SQUIGGY"?

haven't heard that one, though phil collins was an extra in 'a hard
day's night' or something.

>     I have seen a few of them, but have never been able to get copies. WILL
>PAY REASONABLE FEE. Thanks!

you'd probably have better luck finding that Madonna-Denise Shalala 
lesbian sex video, or the tape of Joy Division's Ian Curtis off'ing
himself.

j.

-- 
Jerry Renault				10/6 In This Style
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: BINGO!
From: wright@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Michael G. Wright)
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:04:56 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes:

>Just when I thought there would be no more rumours...

>Rumour has it that tomorrow there will be more european
>Internet users then the whole population in the US!

I can't believe this. If it is true then the Europeans are a _very_ quiet group
concerning postings (or maybe Americans just post so much because they have to
get everyone to hear every one of their opinions... (insert many smileys here))

An impartial viewer.
-- 
Michael Wright            _-_|\    
LaTrobe University,      /     \   Hang on! I've got to think of something 
Melbourne, Australia.    \_.-_*/   smart to put in here now! 
wright@latcs1.lat.oz.au       v  
From: Lee.Coffelt@f4567.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Lee Coffelt)
Sender: tghost@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: whitney and bobby
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:51:00 -0500

 >>>>I'm not sure I've heard of a breakup but I have heard there are
problems..
 >>>>I'm still trying to figure out how or why these 2 ever got together...
 >>>>I'm waiting for the 'real' story behind their marriage to come out.

A friend of mine out at Baylor is dating a member of the group 'High 5.'
According to what he told her, the word in the industry is that Bobby and
Whitney tied the knot for business purposes/appearances alone.  There is
supposedly a very detailed pre-nuptial, as well as some type of "marital
contract."  Whitney's reason is she wants a baby.  However, the plot thickens -
Whitney is supposedly a lesbian.  So the only thing she wants from Bobby is
pregnancy, then he can just back off...

Lee Coffelt

Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: BINGO!
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:03:35 GMT

In article <BzMJA5.1xo@biobase.aau.dk> pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes:
>Just when I thought there would be no more rumours...
>
>Rumour has it that tomorrow there will be more european
>Internet users then the whole population in the US!
>
>Why are we so few... _sigh_

That would really be something!  But it would require that
somewhere between 30% and 40% of Europeans would have to be on
the Internet!

Sure would be interesting!

Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High)
Subject: Re: whitney and bobby
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:53:34 GMT

In article <92356.024656KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> <KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>I'm not sure I've heard of a breakup but I have heard there are problems..
>I'm still trying to figure out how or why these 2 ever got together...
>I'm waiting for the 'real' story behind their marriage to come out.

Hey, where do you all hear these stories?  I'd like to be able to read some of this too!

-- 

******************************************************************************
ehigh                                  You never miss your water 'till your
High on life!                          well runs dry....  Give thankx.
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: mike@meiko.com (Mike Stok)
Subject: Re: BINGO!
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:48:46 GMT

In article <wright.725112296@latcs1.lat.oz.au> wright@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Michael G. Wright) writes:
>pamaga@biobase.aau.dk (Paulo Magalhaes) writes:
>
>>Just when I thought there would be no more rumours...
>
>>Rumour has it that tomorrow there will be more european
>>Internet users then the whole population in the US!
>
>I can't believe this. If it is true then the Europeans are a _very_ quiet group
>concerning postings (or maybe Americans just post so much because they have to
>get everyone to hear every one of their opinions... (insert many smileys here))

Rumour has it that there are lots of Europeans posting from .com
addresses....

Mike
--
The "usual disclaimers" apply.    |
Mike Stok                         |
mike@meiko.com                    |
Meiko tel: (617) 890 7676         |
From: saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Morrissey and Michael Stipe
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:56:45 GMT
Followup-To: talk.rumors
Organization: McGill University

I heard that Morrissey and Michael Stipe (REM) are/were lovers.  Does
anybody know anything about this?

the exploding boy.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: Forced pregnancy love fest, 1992.
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:04:38 GMT

sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
->smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
->#I'm so glad to see you two getting along ...

->It may not last - DOD has put PHoney in an awkward position.  PHoney
->whined a lot about me setting follow-ups to misc.test - I believe
->he called it "dishonest."  He'll either have to chastise his little
->buddie DODie, or he'll have provided that much more proof that
->he's a hypocrite.  

he might prefer being seen as a hypocrite than as a
liar. of course, he'd have to be unaware how many
people see him as both.
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: None worth mentioning.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:58:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.182956.21402@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

[Rip it out and toss it away. It was junk anyway.]

>Oh, I agree.  But these pro-choice arguments are often based upon
>factual differences between "the born and the unborn" which carry 
>no moral weight in themselves.  Pro-choicers have stated that
>the child is inside the woman, which is a fact.  Why does this
>fact carry moral weight?   The child is a member of the human
>species, but wouldn't you claim that this fact carries no moral
>weight in itself?  
>
Yes DODie, I would claim that membership of the fetus in the human
species carries no moral weight. Glad to see you've finally posted
something correct. Likewise (as has so often been pointed out) cancer
cells are also gentic members of the human race. That also carries no
moral weight to prevent them from being removed from the body by any
necessary means.

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer. They also represent the views of
your employer, your government, the Church of your choice, and the
Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Newsgroups: talk.abortion