From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: A French primer for Wayne (was: Labelling)
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<1992Nov9.175935.17729@julian.uwo.ca>
	<1992Nov10.231524.14735@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
	<1992Nov11.043204.18597@julian.uwo.ca>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.043204.18597@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

   In article <1992Nov10.231524.14735@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mousseau@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Normand Mousseau) writes:
   >
   >In article <1992Nov9.175935.17729@julian.uwo.ca>, wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
   >
   >|> It is a social engineering policy adopted by the gov't.  Canadians should
   >|> not accept it "by default".  The gov't should mind it's own business.
 
   >	Non.  Si on elit un gouvernement, c'est pour qu'il fasse
   >quelque chose.  Dans notre societe, un des buts des gouvernements
   >est de proteger le droit commun contre le pouvoir de certains
   >individus ou de certaines classes. Donc, quand le gouvernement
   >legifere sur le sujet, il 'minds its own business' !
   >

   Do you do this just to bug me?  If I wanted a french conversation, I would
   have posted in french.  

Wayne, where did you grow up?  I'm surprised that you have had so
little exposure to French.  You'd think that thousands of mornings
alone with your cereal box and milk carton would have taught you
something!  :-)

I'm going to do a poor translation (word-for-word literal) of Normand's
post here...


   >	Non.  Si on elit un gouvernement, c'est pour qu'il fasse
   =    No.  If one elects a government, it is for [so] it does 

   >quelque chose.  Dans notre societe, un des buts des gouvernements
   =   something.   In our society, one of the goals of governments

   >est de proteger le droit commun contre le pouvoir de certains
   = is to protect the common right against the power of certain

   >individus ou de certaines classes. Donc, quand le gouvernement
   = individuals or of certain classes.  Thus, when a government

   >legifere sur le sujet, il 'minds its own business' !
   =legislates on a subject, it 'minds its own business'.

The only hard word there was the subjunctive of "faire" (make/do), but
it can be derived from context.


   >|> If the (Ont) gov't mandates private sector goods be
   >|> bilingulally labelled, then shouldn't it also label every
   >|> traffic sign in the province?  What's the difference between
   >|> the two?  The difference is that the cost of the second comes
   >|> out of the gov't pockets.  They are being hipocritical, as
   >|> usual...
   >|> 

   >	  Qu'est-ce que les poches du gouvernement ? L'argent vient
   =    What is the pockets of government?  The money comes

   >des payeurs de taxes, c'est a dire, nous !  Et si on ne met pas
   =from the payers of taxes, that is to say, us!  And if one does not place

   >les panneaux de signalisation bilingues,  
   =   panels [/]   signalling  [traffic signs] bilingual, 

   >c'est surtout  parce que
   =it is above all because

   >maintenant on utilise des symboles internationaux.  Et je ne vois
   = now      one uses the symbols international.       And I do not see

   >pas l'hypocrisie puisque de toutes facons, c'est toujours le
   = the hypocracy, because, in all ways,      it is always the

   >consommateur/payeur de taxes qui paie la note !
   = consumer/payer of taxes that pays the bill!

   >	Il me semble percevoir    une certaine acrimonie vis-a-vis du
   =    It to me appears/perceived a certain acrimony with-regards-to

   >gouvernement. Sans etre toujours d'accord avec ses decisions, je
   = government.  Without being always in accord with its decisions, I

   >supporte pleinement une certaine intervention gouvernementale dans
   = support completely a certain [amount of] intervention [/] governmental in

   >les echanges commerciaux (et aussi dans l'education, les
   =    exchanges [/] commercial (and also in education,

   >telecommunications, l'assurance- maladie, etc.)
   =telecommunications, health-insurance, etc.)

The only words that did not have obvious English analogues were
"pleinement", "note", "toujours", "dans", "aussi", and "maintenant".

The last four are too common for me to expect you to be unfamilar
with.  "Note" [bill] is derivable from context (in fact, it has to be
since "note" in French can mean the same as "note" in English).

"Pleinement" [completely] is the only hard one.  An entymologist might
notice the relationship between it and "plenty".



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