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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing == Driving in Scots Law
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:50:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Sep29.175039.20908
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov


In article <1330023@otter.hpl.hp.com>, jwl@otter.hpl.hp.com (John Lumley) writes:
|> You may be interested to hear about a case last week in Scotland
|> where a skier had his driving licence revoked for dangerous
|> skiing.
|> 
|> Last winter he was nabbed by the police for reckless driving,
|> being towed at 25mph on his skis behind a car on snow covered
|> roads (a bit like skijoring I think). His excuse was that he'd
|> had so little real skiing he had to take any opportunity.
|> 
|> Last week he was tried, (in a magistrate's court), found guilty,
|> awarded 3 penalty points on his driving licence and had it revoked
|> for 12 months under a totting-up procedures with other offences.
|> 
|> You have been warned about how the Scottish legal system views
|> reckless skiing !
|> 
As well as how some Scottish folks view skiing!! ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment. 
	It is the impurities in our air and water." 
		--Dan "Vice-President-Rain-Man" Quayl(e)

If I said it, LANL didn't... 

-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment. 
From: smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:54:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Double-cambered x-c skis
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Double-cambered skis have a wax pocket designed so that when the ski is bearing
weight in a gliding phase, the wax is not pressed into the snow. The kick wax
in the wax pocket has less drag on the snow than it would have on a ski without
a wax pocket, making the ski faster and preserving the wax job longer. But you
can certainly wax single camber skis and ski on them--I do it all the time.
They are still *way* faster than any waxless skis; I have to rewax a little
more often, though.

The double cambered skis may be a little better for touring, but they are
significantly squirrely when making turns. 

cheers,
scott
From: adil@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: ski packages
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:29:09 GMT
Reply-To: adil@austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)
Originator: adil@efim.austin.ibm.com


anyone out there know of any ski vacation packages to colorado/new mexico? 
included in the package should be air transportation, hotel, local car rental
(if needed), and lift tickets.

any info would be appreciated.

Adil Khan Soofi (adil@austin.ibm.com, voice: (512) 823.9388).

-- 
Adil K. Soofi
email: adil@netmail.austin.ibm.com, adil@cactus.org
voice: (512) 823-9388
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:57:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Double-cambered x-c skis
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
>  My understanding of the term "double cambered" is that it denotes a
> ski stiff enough that the central portion of the running base, the "wax
> pocket", is held high enough that it is effectively not in contact with
> the snow, unless it is being pressed into the snow by a strong kick.

Right.

>    [they say]  that all cross-country skis, other than those
> intended for skating or lift-serviced telemarking have to be "double
> cambered".

This is bogus.  You could munge through the backcountry with downhill gear
if you wanted to.  A lot of people ski the backcountry with single cambered
skis.

>  What these folks say is that, if the "wax pocket" with its grip wax
> came in contact with the snow, it would stick in the snow, making
> gliding all but impossible. This just doesn't jibe with my experience...
>                               ... [I think]  The right wax will only
> stick if pressed into the snow when the skis arn't moving.

You're right again.

>  I had thought that double cambered skis were meant for racers and very
> athletic tourers...  
>             ... Since most folks who want to ski fast now use skating
> equipment, it seems that actual double cambered skis would be obsolete.
>

I do a lot of backcountry telemarking on double cambered skis.  This always
involves a certain amount of climbing, trailbreaking, and "road skiing" to 
get to the top of some mountain and then skiing down.  The double camber 
helps during climbing, and when gliding down those gentle roads.

The conditions here are usually deep soft powder, so the double camber 
doesn't affect the ski's performance during the downhill thrills :-)
(On packed snow [Eastern snow] double camber skis *suck* when you're trying
to turn.)  Obviously, one doesn't skate when you're half-way to your knees
or more in deep snow.

I guess I have to say that you shouldn't listen to those guys; you seem to
understand how all this works.  Choose a ski for your conditions and how 
you like to ski.

Bye,
     John

P.S. No flames about this post being too nice please.  I'll be back in
     sarcastic mode tomorrow. :-)

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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Info wanted
Keywords: cross-country
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:56:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.015528.9449@dsuvax.dsu.edu>, kubs@dsuvax.dsu.edu (S. Kub) writes:
> 	So far in this group I have seen downhill discussed, nothing about
> cross-country.  By this, can I make the assumption that there is a different
> group for cross-country or is it just not an item of interest?  

I promise you that as soon as we get some snow around here there
will be lots of cross-country ski posts.  At least there will be a 
few from me.

-- 
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      \______________________________________________________________________
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:00:09 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 05/13
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
From: pschmidt@convex.com (Perry Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Texans vs Generalizations !!
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:09:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct5.160901.25226
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Well, after living in Texas now for a few years, I have to admit there
definitely are a few people (i.e. Texans) who fit that generalization.
That's not to say there are a lot of nice people in Texas too.

But after skiing out west for the first time a few years ago, and finding
that MOST of the people that are obnoxious, bad skiers, and money flaunters
just HAPPEN to be from Texas, I can only hope that most of the "non-obnoxious"
Texans out west do like I do - I'm embarassed to tell them I'm from Texas, so
I tell them I'm from Wisconsin :)

Just be glad that you NM's only has to deal w/ these people on the road
during ski season.  I have to deal with them EVERY DAY!  And if you
think it's any better than out there - you're wrong!

> His legs were about the size of my ski poles.  She
> was fat and frumpy and looked to be seriously constipated.

Now maybe he's from Texas, but I doubt she is - the women here tend to be
gorgeous!  Maybe she was from Iowa, or Wisconsin :)  [It's a JOKE, so hold
your flames!!]

[But in defense of Texas - with the exception of the few who spoil it
for the rest, it's a great place to live and there really ARE a lot of
good people here - they probaby don't ski much though :)]

Perry
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:08:15 GMT

In article eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>But I'm still at a loss why Texans (even after reading the "all that's
>wrong with the USA").  Are they that bad?  Not that we need any.
>
>--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov

Here are a couple key things about (not all) Texans:

	- Texans drive incredibly slow on windy & snowy roads.
	  (Considering they don't have much snow or curves in
	  texas this isn't a big suprise).

	- This is the key one.  Texans can be loud, boustrous (sp)
	  and they have an accent giving them a high profile. You
	  will be sitting in a bar, & the only coversation you can hear
	  is a group of Texans.

	- They were horrible skiers.  Though I'm sure they have
	  improved drastically in the last decade.

I once witnessed (from the lift) a pretty bad scene on The Ridge
of Bell, an entire family of Texans on a run way over there head
(i.e. Run was hard black diamond & they were maybe blue square skiers).
I would guess I saw them 6 times going up the lift before they got
down.

There really is nothing bad about them, they are just fun to poke fun
at.  Humor is always at someone else's expense.

--Chris

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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Texans vs Generalizations !!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:47:40 GMT


I know there are good things about and good people in Texas.  Two of my
best friends are living in Texas.  But I wanted to make the point that
I had absolutely no opinion about Texas skiers or tourists before I moved
to New Mexico but found that many of complaints about Texas skiers and
tourists by New Mexicans and Coloradicals were valid.

I am not advocating prejudice against Texas skiers.  The last time I went
skiig in New Mexico, a friend and I rode up a triple chair with a woman
from Houston who said she was a well kown radio personality in the Houston
area and I liked her very much.  A few runs latter we rode up the chair
with a man who said his wife was a well known radio personality in the
Houston area and she had skied off and left him.  I liked him as well.  
We wished him luck in catching up to his wife.

...but I don't think these Texas complaints are coming from jealousy of not
being Texan or from thin-air.  I didn't like the Texas aspect of skiing
New Mexico and I am told that Colorado (where I am now) can be almost
as bad.  If the shoe dosn't fit then don't wear it.  But I believe that
many Texans should know that some of thier behavior in areas they visit is
not liked.  I don't see any problem with people expressing thier feelings.
...and Texas does have its cultural differences. 


                                   NCW

Organization: Senior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:46:47 -0400 
From: Thomas Uden <tu0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Jackson Hole, advice on runs wanted...

Hi All,

I am taking a group of college people to Jackson January 5-12, 1993.  I
skiied there three years ago when I was a lesser skier, and stuck to
pretty pedestrian terrain.  I am looking to draw from the net readers'
vast knowledge for the best runs at Jackson, with directions to them if
possible (ie. climb here, around this tree here).  Also, what are the
chances the Hobacks (?spell) will be open in January?  I heard they are
awsome, but often only open in March.  Also, is Grand Targhee cat skiing
worth it?  Any response appreciated!

Unrelated questions: can anyone relay information/stories about tree
skiing in the east?  I gather a lot more of this goes on than I thought,
and I just started doing a little at Seven Springs PA last season
(promptly yelled at by patrol).  I heard Jay Peak Vt. was openning their
entire mountain (ski ANYWHERE) as long as one enters the trees with at
least two buddies to report on the deforestation/decapitation likely to
occur (do they actually ski the Saddle there?).  I am also interested in
secret glade runs at Stowe and Sugarbush I have heard about. 

Thanks in advance,

Tom, Pres CMU Ski Club.

From: sharp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ken Sharp)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:14:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

I have a Gore-Tex heli suit which does o.k. in the rain.  I still get
somewhat wet inside after a full day in the rain.  Actually I usually
unbuckle my boots on the ski lift and this does not work as good in
the rain.  One time at Alpine in CA my boots got so soaked I actually
had to stop, drain out the water and wring out my socks!  But we
kept skiing because the snow was excellent that day.  On the other
hand I bailed out midday at Squaw (the first time in years that I quit
before the end of the day)  because I knew I was going to ski
the next day anyway and because the snow was really awful.  Hard top
surface and heavy loose snow underneath.  Very difficult to ski in
and the kind of snow that will grab your skiis, lock them in place,
and try to break your leg in the process.  That was one day where I
was really glad I didn't have to stay out in that mess like the ski
patrol did.  In such a day maybe a waterproof rainsuit and a good excuse
to not to have to go out and patrol any more than necessary sounds like
the best idea to me.

Ken Sharp. "The worst ski conditions in CA are when it is raining or
on the day after it has rained"
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From: oak@fmd00.larc.nasa.gov (Theodore Creel)
Subject: Salt Lake city ski areas
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA, USA
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:32:01 GMT

hello folks,
	The big ski vacation forthis year will be taken in the salt lake city
area. We have found that ? staying in the city and driving to the resorts is
a good way to go.would someone please coment . Also are there any lift ticket
deals that an outsider can get.
	Please answer by email and to everyone ipromise  to ski Vail next year
				
				t.r.creel@larc.nasa.gov
--


  			ted creel
			t.r.creel@larc.nasa.gov


Concern for man himself and his fate must always form the chief interest of
all technical endeavors......Never forget this in the midst of your designs 
and equations.
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From: rjn@snowbird.LABS.TEK.COM (Jim Nusbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: moving to New Mexico
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:46:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Research Laboratory, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton OR

Well, I am finally moving back to a place that has some real skiing.  We will
be moving to Santa Fe, New Mexico in about a month.  I know about and have
skied at Taos (loved it!).  I have seen the trail maps for Ski Santa Fe
(looks interesting) and Red River (looks boring).  I have heard that the Los
Alamos ski area (open at limited times) is quite good and has challenging
skiing.  Don't know much about Angel Fire (except it is acessible to Texans,
ugh!!).  Anyway any info, advice, etc. on skiing in the northern New Mexico
area would be appreciated.

Thrilled to be moving,

--Jim

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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Used skis K2 5500 m38's ?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:18:04 GMT

In article <Een5kKm00WB5B8=mJ6@andrew.cmu.edu> hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure) writes:
>
>a moguls dancer yet, I like to get back on the tails a little and
>practice rythmic turning and control as I push up my speed...

I wouldn't deliberately practise getting back on the tails, especially if
you want to dance in moguls.  You may find yourself without a partner :-).
Practise with your weight over your feet.

>
>now I've seen an ad for some year old K2 5500 skis with Marker m38
>bindings but I do not know what type of ski this is and also no
>idea of what they may be worth if they're in very good condition?
>
>Anybody willing to comment? Just not familiar with manufacturers and

These are a good recreational ski, suitable for an upper intermediate,
reasonably aggressive skier. I would recommend great caution in buying
second hand skis, you don't know where they've been.  The main problem
is that it can be difficult to tell if the camber is still ok, or if
they've been bent.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: AMTRAK ski train -- Is it OK?
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Distribution: na
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics

>In article <1992Sep21.222520.4471@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> carlson@raman.ECE.CMU.EDU (Daniel W Carlson) writes:
>>
>>For the last two years we've driven overnight nonstop from Charlotte, NC
>>to Summit County,CO. 32 Hours gets to you, especially during the first day 
>>as well as driving back through winter storms. What are the options? 
>>affordable. Being grad students makes severe budget constraints. 
>
> shuttle between the town and the ski area.  No trains access any other
>Colorado resort.  Just my opinion but if time is tight, don't even think about the
>I think you will find that air travel is cheaper, especially when you factor in all
>that expensive junk food you will have to buy on the train.

I have taken a group of people back to ski in Montana on the train
from Seattle several times, and everyone seemed to have a good time.
Some of the people went on the trip because they had never ridden a
train and wanted the experience (although some did say that once was
enough).  AMTRAK from Seattle to Whitefish, Montana take about 12
hours, driving time is about 10-12 hours on bare roads but you could
easily add another 3-4 hours if the roads are bad.  Some people
complained of not sleeping very well, if you are a light sleeper it
may be worth the extra money for a sleeper unit, but if you can
sleep in a car you will probably do ok on the train.  The food is
fairly (or unfairly) expensive and marginally tolerable.  We usually
bring on a lot of our own food, my understanding of the rule is that
you can bring anything on you want as long as you stay in your seat
to consume it, and don't get obnoxious.  There is also a rule that
they can put you off at any stop, anywhere, anytime if you are
bothering other passengers.  Costwise the train is about half the
cost of flying but that is flying in to Kalispell Montana which is
not really a major hub, and I don't know if the train would have as
much an advantage into a major airport.
If you don't mind the extra cost, I would fly.  If you really think
you are going to need your car, drive.  But if you really don't need
the car, try the train!!


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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Permanant snow fields in Colorado
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:45:32 GMT

Isabel Glacier:
	Drive up to Brainard Lake 10 miles north of Nederland on
	the Peak to Peak highway.  Hike West until you reach the
	Glacier.

Montezuma:
	If you mean Montezuma Basin, it is near Aspen.  Drive up
	Castle Creek, just before the end of the pavement is a dirt
	road on the right.  You can take a good jeep all the up to
	the basin on the dirt road.

--Chris

p.s. Don't turn left and go over Pearl Pass.
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From: burati@apollo.hp.com (Mike Burati)
Subject: When/Where are the Demo days
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:58:48 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: demos
Followup-To: burati@apollo.hp.com

(restricted to New England, so blame the news sw if it gets farther)

Does anybody know when and where there will be demo days this year?
I usually find out, just after they're over (they're usually in Dec)

Any demo days in VT,NH,ME,MA would be good...  (preferably K2,Rossi,
Fischer,Salomon).

Please reply via email, since I don't have time to keep up with news...
I'll post a summary if I get any replies.

..Mike
burati@apollo.hp.com
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Smart Ticket
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:42:07 GMT
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation

>
>WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?
>For those of you who don't ski in the east, Attitash, although smallish, was oneof the more consistent well groomed areas around.  Sitting in my dorm room I cansay that I now wonder if I will ski there again. For those of you who have used
>or been part of the Bachelor system or those at Big Sky or Mont St. Anne, can 
>you put any light at the end of my tunnel ?   Please help me.
>
>Matt Ross
>mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
>
I've skied at both Batchelor and Big Sky and it really isn't such a big deal.
It's just another way of checking tickets.  It's a pain at first to use the
card readers, but you'll get used to it after a few runs.  At least it might
help keep away the people who don't pay.

As for the point value tickets, I can't see that making any difference for
someone planning to take more than a few runs a day.  A day ticket is still
a day ticket.

-John.


-- 
John Gunn, Ph.D                    |  "A casual stroll through the lunatic      
Columbia University                |  asylum shows that faith doesn't           
Center for Biomolecular Simulation |  prove anything."                          
and Head Coach, Ski Team           |     - Friedrich Neitzsche                  
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From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Snowboard info: Boots, brands, etc
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.152635.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Anyone have any comments on the use of Hard boots vs. Soft boots for 
>Snowboarding?

Whatever you find comfortable.  Generally, hard boots give you more 
support than soft boots, and don't have a problem with pressure spots 
from one or two skinny straps.  Soft freestle bindings let you get 
incredible contorted and tweaked.  Of course, there are exceptions 
 - ie, soft bindings with a top strap get closer to a hard-boot feel,
and there soft hard boots.

Also, bindings can have a significant impact on flexibility (plate or soft 
bindings) - so you have to consider boot / binding combinations.

>I am planning on upgrading from my Cruiser 165 with soft boots to something
>better.  Any ideas?

Whatever you find comfortable.  You might want to buy one of last year's 
boards - it will be a lot cheaper than this year's model.

-- 
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