From: tcr@cbnews.cb.att.com (toby.c.rabold)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: responses to various items...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:02:43 GMT
Keywords: gymnastics

In article <BsxHr1.1o0@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>In article <BILLW.92Aug12235622@regal.cisco.com> billw@regal.cisco.com (William ) writes:
>>
>>    Also, although I do not know about this, perhaps the men do not have
>>    enough difficulty to be judged from a ten.  Perhaps their Code of
>>    Points (the rulebook) is more appropriate.
>>
>>I don't know whether this is still true, but as of 1981, a perfect men's
>>gymnastics routine was worth less than a 10.  (I think it was worth 9.4 or
>
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>
>>will depend on the level of the competition and such.  I don't recall
>>whether women had a similar item in their code of points...
>>
>>BillW
>
>Women have a similar system, but I do not know what the base score it
>(9.4 I think).  Most women usually have sufficient difficulty in their
>routines to be scored from a 10.
>
>Rachele
>


I have some information that might help people understand women's
optional gymnastic scoring. First off, it's complicated, so I hope I
can explain it well enough. Just one comment regarding the men's vs.
the women's scores. I think the bottom line is that the men's judges 
were just more strict and also paid less attention to who was performing
and more attention to what was being performed.
Someone already talked about the levels of difficulty -A (easiest) to
D (hardest)...although beginning this competitive year some of the tricks
were downgraded and a new level of difficulty was added - E. In order
to get a 10 from now on, an E trick will have to be included. These
include such things as a back handspring triple layout on beam; a Yurchenko
with a double full on vault (the Yurchenko's that we saw in the Olympics will
only have a full value of say 9.9 from now on);a double layout,full-in full-
out or triple full on floor; and a triple back dismount on bars (they'll also
require at least two (or 3?)release moves on bars) . There aren't too
many people who can do these things yet, so most of the high scores in the
coming year will be at the 9.8 or 9.9 level. And difficulty will finally be
rewarded.
Deductions occur for various reasons. Standard deductions are things like -
fall off beam=.5, out of bounds on floor=.1 (both of those are pretty
obvious and are objective). Then there are deductions for not meeting the
requirements of the event - I don't know what the exact requirements are,
but it's so many D's, so many C's, so many B's. If you really get into it,
a B+B trick can be value raised to a C, or you could have a natural C, and
you must have only naturals etc. etc. ...... In addition the event has
certain requirements that must be fulfilled - i.e. on beam - 3 jump series,
turns, dance/acrobatic combination, etc..
Now the deductions start getting a little subjective - major bobbles=.3
(who decides what major and what's minor); breaks in form=? ; breaks
in legs=.05 ; amplitude , etc.  Just to add further confusion on the
whole issue, bonus points can be added on certain dance combinations so
a move could actually be a C+.1 .
If anyone has any further questions , I'll try and answer them.

Toby Rabold

 
 
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