From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: Space Madness pins down Furries
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Use of Force, inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:10:51 GMT

psyco4@rosie.uh.edu (Clark, Sharon D.) writes:
>>Randomness snickers at Tater.
>>Tourmaline says "personally i don't like Furryism, because it seems degrading
> to women, and i dislike some furries, because they act saccharine-sweetly
> cute and if you don't act cute TOO they tend to get very fascist"

>Valid point, but show me a much where female characters _aren'_ degraded?

Well, you could try space madness.  If you degrade a female character there,
you get brutally slaughtered, your client is reconnected to ChargenMUD, your
root password is hacked and your credit rating mysteriously falls through the
floor.

>>Tater nods to Tourmaline.  "That bit about fascism is dead on target."
>
>Granted.  There is someone there who admits to being fascist, but most
>furries aren't.  We only ask that you take the time to make a decent
>description, set your gender, species, and lock yourself, which is no more
>than most mu* will ask. I offer AfterFive as a point.  Around 40% of the 
>people I see on there have no description.  How do you interact with someone
>if you don't know anything about them?

You...interact with them in the attempt to learn something about them.  What
does having six melon-sized breasts tell you about the guy who plays Hervystia?
I mean, besides the bit about falling on head as child, etc.

>>dirque says "Personally i don't like furry cause the players are even worse
> losers than the average mud geek"
>
>So if someone is married, they're a loser? Or if someone is bisexual/homo-
>sexual, they're a loser? Of if they like to talk to people, they're a 
>loser? I think not.  Seems to me you're being a tad bit petty here,
>slamming someone because of their beliefs and ideals...

No, the loserness comes from being a bunch of horny, aging men who have
nothing better to do than draw bad pictures of foxes getting fucked by
machines and then handing them around and cooing appreciatively.  Don't
get dirque wrong on this point.

>>Tater says "and they have these page-long descriptions that have lots of
> references to "sleek thighs" and "firm, rosy-nippled breasts" and stuff. 
> hence of course you know that 99 of furries are guys"

>What about the male characters?  I don't describe myself on their in any more
>than like 6 lines for any of my forms.  And on my female character (And yes,
>I have one, and yes, I'm male real life, and yes, I'm straight.  Deal with it)

Well, Mr. Sharon D. Clark, the fact that male characters exist[ed] on furry
doesn't stop the female caricatures from being laughably ridiculous and
insulting to anyone with a mind.

>>Tater says "most RL females play MALE furries so as not to get constantly hit
> on by RL guys playing VR males and RL guys playing VR lesbians."
>
>Umm...mind giving me an example? As in a character name, and the players name,
>phone number, and address? Don't believe everything you are told.  It's not 
>good.  And another point.  Virtual reality does not equal real life, no 
>matter how much we might wish it at times.

There isn't any way in hell I'm giving you my phone number and address,
Mr. Sharon D. Clark, but I happen to live with one of the more famous furry
players (she's recovering nicely, thank you); she often plays male characters
for just that reason.

>>Tater hates furries
>
>Yes, so I've noted.  You're also a little twerp who can't handle someone
>being different.

There's 'different' and there's 'lobotomized'.

>>Randomness has nothing against furries, but does mind being harassed for
> being insufficiently cute.
>
>If someone harasses you, walk away.  There is a neat thing on FurryMuck
>called page #ignore.  You can't hear that person's pages.  You can also
>set yourself Haven, and no one can find you or page to you.

There's a much better, faster, simpler solution: QUIT.

>>Tourmaline says "the furry party i went to was SO PATHETIC, i mean, it was
> more pathetic than Pete from windsor, it was more pathetic than the time my
> nonexistent license was suspended for a nonvalid reason, it was TRULY 
> pathetic.  100 FUCKING percent ol
>
>Then why did you go?  That shows more than a bit of stupidity on your
>part, mein herr...

Tourmaline is, at her most phonymic, a heiress.  Maybe you meant frau?

The same logic for 'why did you go' can be applied to furry itself.  Some
of us wanted to test its waters, to see if it's as bad as rumored.  Fact
is, it was.

>>seattle says "So furries are prepubescent mudders with elevevated 
> testosterone levels?"
>>Devon says "A lot of them are old frustrated men, too."
>>Tater says "actually, seattle, most of them are 24-25-26, no girlfriend, live
> with a few other male furries."
>>dirque says "furries are middle-age mudders with elevated testosterone levels"
>
>The people on FurryMuck average around 20-22, because _most_ people on 
>the Internet discover it in college and are of that age.  I happen to be 20,
>engaged, and living alone.  Therefore, I don't fit your template.  Don't 
>speak where you don't have the knowledge.  I don't remember a survey being
>taken.

Funny, I don't remember being surveyed for your statement on _most_ users
on the Internet.  I find your naivete refreshing, however.  I'm sure everyone
at the various large commercial organizations and military and bureaucratic
installations who started the network itself are somewhat surprised to hear
that they learned about it when they were in college at the age of 22; I'm
also astounded that you have the idea that the Internet is a plaything for
college freshmen and sophomores.

>>Tourmaline says "some people have the bad luck to be involved with furrymuck,
> but can be rescued and untaught their furry ways."
>
>Come on...you make it sound like a disease or something.  Grow up.

I'd like to hereby award Jim Miller the Secret DreamScape Newbie prize for
posting an article which draws flame-newbies like a magnet.  Well done,
Jim!

>>dirque says "HHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE baiting hervestia about saying it has 6
> breasts"
>
>And now the truth comes out.  You like to be a twit.  As I and someone 
>else said earlier, Furries are people who play "anthromorphic animals"
>which are animals with human characteristics...Such as some Anime Movies,
>Disney's _Robin Hood_, and many other places.  Human characteristics
>_do_ include human breasts on females.  Like it or not.  Not that you'd 
>know.  And just to clear it up, Hervyestia is female.

Mr. Sharon, what human woman do you know with SIX BREASTS?

>Jason Ballew
>Bregalad/FurryMuck
>Brianna/FurryMuck
>Zarkon/TimeTraveller
>Briana/TimeTraveller
>Jason/AfterFive
>Brianna/AfterFive
>Z'kon/PernMush
>Bregalad/TinyTim (if it comes up)
>Auzmen/PernMush
>Jayson/Soucon
>Erych/DragonsFire

My god, it's the List of Places To Avoid.

>Go ahead, flame me, see if I care...
>'Sides, I know how to 'kill' posts ;)
>And also, if it's an intelligent flame, I'll respond.  Otherwise, it's killed.

As your flamer for tonight, let me thank you most appreciatively for your
statement of intent as well as qualification for judgement.  It matters
so much to me that you receive my article in the spirit in which it is
intended.

Rhodesia/RandomGang
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