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From: jmd6@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Morgoth.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: openVMS or UNIX.
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:46:21 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK


I am currently doing some research for a disertation for the final
year of my degree in computer science. I have chosen to do the
research on unix and its standadisation.

My research has uncovered the fast growing standard of POSIX, and DECs
adoption of this standard for open VMS. I'm there fore intrested in some
DEC users optinions of POSIX and Operating System Standadisation.

Has POSIX compatibility on proprietry systems (eg OPEN VMS) killed
unix?

Why has DEC chosed to have open VMS, Windows NT and OSF/1 running on
its new alpha systems?
Is it due to the uncertanty of which operating system might succeed in
the marcket?

Are Open propriatry operating systems goin to become the future of computing?


Thanks for you help

Jon Durrant
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Splitting a user disk
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:14:49 EST
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <71687@cup.portal.com>, Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com writes:
>...
>>This *appears* to work, i.e., DIR STUDISK:[000000] shows all files in the
>>MFD of both devices.  A bonus (I think) is that they show up as a single
>>list, not as separate lists as seen with DIR SYS$MANAGER, etc.  Also, 
>>DIR STUDISK:[some-valid-directory] lists the files in that directory as
>>expected.
>>
>>Is there anything obvious that I'm missing?  Or worse, anything insidious? 
>>Or is there a better way?
> 
> I apologize for including nearly Ken's ENTIRE posting, but I could't iden-
> tify any "chaff" that could be left out...
> 
> Up until last week, all of my users were in the [000000.USER.username] 
> directories of my system disk.  A rooted logical name of SYS_USERDEVICE
> pointed to [000000.USER.], so that [000000.USER] appeared as 
> SYS_USERDEVICE:[000000], and UAF "device" fields specifying SYS_USERDEVICE 
> so that logging in as any user and doing a DIRECTORY gives you
> 
>    Directory SYS_USERDEVICE:[username]
>      ...files...
>....
> 
> HOWEVER!!!  Users whose directories resided on SYS_USER2: could not create
> new files in their own directories if they referred to them by SYS_USERDEVICE,
> only if they explicitly used SYS_USER2 instead.  Editing new files into exis-
> tence suffered similarly.  Apparently file-creation doesn't handle the combi-
>
> ...
>
> appears to be impossible.  Ken, you presumably won't have problems since 
> you've explicitly entered STU1 or STU2 in your UAF also, but it seems a pity
> that this should be necessary.  I'd appreciate any tips on making a "split
> disk" truly transparent to the user, but I suspect it may be impossible...
> 
> Chris Chiesa
>   Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
-- 
Ken, Chris,
 
I would like to suggest a two phase process. 
 
First, to get rid of the immediate space crunch, use a Bound 
Volume Set. Point your existing logical name to the bound set and 
your present users will have no problems (I really mean NONE).
 
As a second stage, start organizing your users into departments, 
for example, in a college environment, DISK$CS, DISK$CHEMISTRY, 
etc. Then each of those logical names can be moved from volume to 
volume as needed.
 
I hope that the above is helpful. If I can be of further 
assistance, please feel free to contact me via Email or Phone.
 
- Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Subject: Re: How to prevent login.com from running.
Originator: storrs@c20002-121rd.che.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:05:10 GMT


The qualifier is  /COMMAND;  however, the original post wanted, as system mgr,
to be able to control it, not the user.  (I think)  JLS
-- 

===============================================================================
Jerry L. Storrs, System/Network Manager || The virgin will be with child and 
Dept of Chemical Engineering, NCSU      || will give birth to a son, and they
   storrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred)      || will call him Immanuel, which means
   storrs@eos.ncsu.edu                  || "God with us".
                                        ||                 Matthew 1:23
===============================================================================
Any statement made is the explicit belief of the writer and not the employer.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: cl5413@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: FAQ,USERID
Reply-To: cl5413@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:27:20 GMT

Is there an ftp site where I can get the FAQs for this news group?
How can the userid be temporarily changed, without systems access? (I don't
want to do anything evil, I just want to personalise my ID for the BBS we have
here.)

						       	-Edwill
From: RING@JUNCOL.JUNIATA.EDU (John Charles Ring)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: V5.5-1 and verify patch.
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:41:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	I remember seeing on this list that there was a patch needed for verify
for V5.5, but it was unclear (to me :-) if V5.5-1 would need it.

	I just tried anal/disk/norepair on a disk whose index.sys file has
90392 blocks allocated and used, but it still was not done after about 20 hours
of CPU time.  The disk is 2Gig (42% used -- 'til usenet feed, anyway!)

	I'd *think* that it should not take so long, hence I think we need the
patch, but I'd like another opinion.  Also, it's on a 4500.

	Thanks in advance!

						John Ring
						Ring@Juncol.Juniata.Edu
From: system@spades.aces.com (SYSTEM MANAGER)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to prevent login.com from running.
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <11345@prijat.cs.uofs.edu>, gavinl1@jaguar.uofs.edu writes...
# 
# 
#I was wondering if there is any way to globally not run any users's login.coms.
# 
#We have an command running from rshell and we do not want the user's login.com
#to run for this command.  I realize the users can put in a check for non-
#interactive processes, but that is not the preferred method.  I would like 
#something more automated that I can control.
# 
#Thanks for any help...

Modify the SYSUAF entry so LGICMD is not LOGIN.
Add the following to the end of sys$sylogin:

$ if f$mode() .nes. "NETWORK" .and. f$search("sys$login:login.com") .nes. "" -
	then @sys$login:login.com


Note that users can no longer use the /NOCOM qualifier on their username
when logging in.

#          Lori
#--
#|  Lori Gavin                      |           UUUU       SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
#|INTERNET: GAVINL1@JAGUAR.UOFS.EDU |           UUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Ehud

--
Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
How's it going in those MODULAR LOVE UNITS??
From: NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:31:18 GMT
Organization: Philips Communication & Processing Services
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1gv65jINNlv7@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:

> In article <1992Dec18.094143.8053@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>, NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk) writes:
> >In <1go1h5INNik@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
> >
> >> The original question was not well-posed, since the querant didn't bother to
> >> tell us exactly what this "MOVE" command was supposed to do.
> >
> >I doubt that; till now you're the only one who didn't seem to understand that.
> 
> You think so?  Then why did someone recommend "RENAME" when what the querant
> wanted was "BACKUP"?  You really ought to read more of the thread before
> mouthing off.

I don't just think so, I'm sure. What I was looking for was a MOVE command that
works like a Unix 'move' command. If a Unix 'move' command doesn't move accross
devices; then RENAME was what I was looking for. Since I didn't know that, 
BACKUP/DELETE is more useful, but everybody (almost) understood I was refering
to the Unix 'move' command. What else did you expect?

Oscar.


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 Abandon Hope                                                   Oscar van Eijk
   All Ye                     O x x y                 C&P SON helpdesk, VN-223
Who Enter Here                            Philips Eindhoven, the Net(her)Lands
                                               nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl
From: anderson@funyet.enet.dec.com (Paul Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Dual-headed VS3100/76?
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:58:04 GMT
Reply-To: anderson@funyet.enet.dec.com (Paul Anderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


; I recall seeing something a few months ago about how to set up a VMS-based
; VS3100/76 to run dual-headed. I have all the hardware (well, the cable is on
; order), and just need to know what to do to DECwindows (acutally, Motif) to
; get both heads working.

Chris,

Take a look at SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM.  If it's not there,
copy the template from .TEMPLATE.  You need to redefine the symbol
DECW$SERVER_DENSITY to reflect the density of the two screens.  There is a
portion of code labeled DO_VS2HD that you should execute.

For my VAXstation 3100 Model 76, with VRT19 color and VR150 monochrome monitors,
my definition is DECW$SERVER_DENSITY == 75,100.

Paul

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7   Digital Equipment Corporation         7                                   7
7   40 Old Bolton Road, Stow MA 01775     7   (508) 496-9140                  7
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From: bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy)
Subject: Re: Please, any comments on these outputs.....
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:48:47 GMT

SABRY@SHEBIN.EG writes:

>Hello All.....................
>Hope you can help any comment or update about these outputs....ok.
>Of cource, Our system Microvax 3400, by 12.00Mb, with VMS v5.2-1.
>I new in system management on node SHEBIN.

>2- Output from SHOW DEVICE DIA0:/FULL.....

> ...

>  Volume status:  subject to mount verification, file high-water marking, write-
>      through caching enabled.

Everything looks good to me -- except...

If you're not running in a high security environment, you should 
consider turing off high-water marking.  What it does is automatically 
fill file extensions with zeroes.  It's goal is to keep users from 
"disk scavaging" by using the following to read files that others 
have deleted:
   $ copy login.com foo.foo /allocate=100000
   $ set file /end foo.foo
   $ dump foo.foo

This will pick up other user's deleted mail messages, program listings,
memos and other perhaps non-public things.  It takes additional I/Os 
to fill the extensions with zeroes and if security is not an issue, 
then it will return you a little disk performance.

I hope usenet readers will not take offense to me publishing a way for
non-priviledged users to "abuse" your systems.  Better that everybody
knows the tricks, IMHO.

-- 

	Mike Bandy
	bandy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
	Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Lab
From: jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Image Accounting
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:57:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsa.1992Dec13.185721.28416
Organization: The Dow Chemical Company
Originator: jsue@mars.ncsa.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Dec11.080436.1@bbs.ug.eds.com> loosli@bbs.ug.eds.com writes:
>In article <SSMITH.94.0@husky1.stmarys.ca>, SSMITH@husky1.stmarys.ca (Stephen P. Smith) writes:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I'll be brief. I know image accounting can be turned on system wide in VMS. 
>> Is it possible to make it selectable by Username. I would like to turn on 
>> image accounting for ie SSMITH and see what images that user is running.
>> 
>You cannot turn on image accounting for a single user or group of users.
>
>However, you can generate a report with the accounting utility which will list
>images activated by a user.  Be careful with image accounting, it consumes a
>lot of disk space.
>

It seems you could write some internals program that, when run, clears
the accounting bit for a process.  This executable could be INSTALLed
with the necessary privileges, and also have an identifier on it so that
only certain people could execute it.

Then, on login everyone, except those people for whom you want accounting
data, could run this executable from within a system-wide login procedure.
This would clear the accounting bit for those people.  Since you do NOT
run this program for those whom you want accounting data, the system will
log accounting information for them.

I don't have any code that does this, but I think I remember one part
in the "Hitchikers Guide to VMS" where this code was in part of another
program (the one about running in STEALTH mode).


-- 
-----
Jeff Sue   
 - All opinions are mine -       (and you can't have any, nya nya nya)
From: jlromero@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Jose Luis Romero Ogawa)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Is mktime funtion included in ANSI C?
Keywords: ANSI, mktime
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:49:42 GMT
Organization: I.T.E.S.M. Campus Monterrey

and I think the problem is that maybe mktime is not an ANSI C funtion. I
appreciate any help about this.

                jlromero@omega.mty.itesm.mx                m
From: ARNE@KOPC.HHS.DK (Arne Vajhxj)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LZCOMP vs ZIP vs ZOO vs ARC etc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:49:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> Unfortunately I don't have permission to run comparison tests on the various
> compression programs available for VMS.  I'd like to know which compression
> program offers the highest reliability, tightest output, ease of use, etc.

Funny you should ask !

I just made a few tests yesterday !

Availability:

                   VMS  DOS  UNIX  simple &
                                    small
  LZCOMP/LZDCMP     +
  ZCOMPRESS         +    +     +     +
  ZOO               +    +     +
  ZIP/UNZIP         +    +     +

Features:
                              VMS
                   archive   file
                           attributes
  LZCOMP/LZDCMP                +
  ZCOMPRESS  
  ZOO                 +
  ZIP/UNZIP           +        +

Effieciency:

                   compression    compression   speed
                   source-code     EXE-file
  LZCOMP/LZDCMP        66%           64%          70
  ZCOMPRESS            70%           64%          30
  ZOO                  66%           66%          30
  ZIP/UNZIP            84%           76%          30

  notes: 1) the source-code is a mix of FORTRAN and MACRO and a little PASCAL
         2) the EXE-file is a shareable image linked with UNSUPPORTED=1
         3) both are compression of a single file and the archive overhead
            is included
         4) ZIP was not asked to preserve VMS file attributes
         5) speed is KB input pr. CPU second on a mVAX 4200

ZIP/UNZIP is a clear winner !

LZCOMP/LZDCMP, ZCOMPRESS and ZOO have approxiamatetly the same compression
ratio and I assume that they use the same standard LZW-algorithm, but
ZIP is much better.

The results will of course vary with the content of the input-files, but
the difference is rather large !

PS : ARC is very oldfashioned I think !

                                                          Arne

Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
Computer Department                     PSI:           PSI%23831001304030::ARNE
Business School of Southern Denmark     Internet:      ARNE@KO.HHS.DK
From: HARTTREE@vax1.elon.edu (Matthew Harttree  )
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: HELP!! <CONNECTING MAC 512 to DECSERVER>
Date: 13 Dec 1992 04:39:03 GMT
Organization: Elon College
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.elon.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

HELP I AM ABOUT TO GO INSANE!!!

I am desprately trying to make a cable that will connect an ORIGINAL MAC 512 to
a DECServer 200.  Has anyone done this?? If so, could you please mail
Harttree@vax1.elon.edu the pinouts.

DESCRIPTION
Mac 512k DB9 EIA-422 to Decserver 200/MC DB25...

This is about to drive me nuts I have tried almost everything!!!!!

THANKS IN ADVANCE
Matt
Harttree@vax1.elon.edu

Please reply by email! (SOON- I dont want to shoot that poor mac!)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Anonymous mail
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:09:04 -0600
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <9212111928.AA11992@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,
MORRIS%PIMS3.decnet@PATRICK-PIMS.AF.MIL ("PIMS3::MORRIS") wrote:
> 
> Sure.  Just get your system manager to set up an account for you called
> anonymous. I'm sure after you explain to him why you need it (which I'd
> rather enjoy hearing too), he'd be more than willing.

Why stop there?  Ask him for a micro an an IP address.  Oh, be sure
your internet address is 'exit.'  'quit' is also a good one.
From: lionel@quark.enet.dec.com (Steve Lionel)
Subject: Re: SMG$ routines: Just how non-reenterent are they?
Reply-To: lionel@quark.enet.dec.com (Steve Lionel)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:15:23 GMT


In article <1992Dec14.164356.28810@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov 
(christopher kushmerick) writes:
|>
|>The manual says that SMG$ is not reenterent (spelling?).
|>
|>Does this mean that I should disable ASTs from occuring arounds each smg call 
|>if my program uses AST routines triggered by timers, $qios et cetera?
|>
|>Or does it only mean that I should not do any SMG routines in any ASTs that may
|>interrupt a SMG routine?
|>

The latter.  Don't allow an SMG routine to be called if there is a possibility
that a call to another is currently active.
--

Steve Lionel                    lionel@quark.enet.dec.com
SDT Languages Group
Digital Equipment Corporation
110 Spit Brook Road
Nashua, NH 03062
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com (InfoServer Software Engineering)
Subject: Re: VAX 11/750 and InfoServer 100
Reply-To: gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com (InfoServer Software Engineering)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, InfoServer Engineering
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:17:53 GMT


In article <15DEC199210481835@loyola.edu>, cmelaro@loyola.edu (Chris Melaro) writes:
>	We have just recently recieved a 11/750 with no documentation.  I would
>like to be able to boot it from our InfoServer in order to upgrade to a newer
>version of VMS.
>	I know that on our VAX 6310, we are able to do this with a command
>similar to:
>		BOOT/XMI:A/R5:E0000100 EXA0
>
>	If anyone out there knows how to do the equivalent on a 11/750, or has any
>advice, it would be greatly appreciated.
>

	ISL (Initial System Load) is supported for all VAX CPUs except the
700 and 8000 series since they cannot boot from the network.

	Sorry.

						--Doug
--
Doug Gordon                             gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com
InfoServer Software Engineering         Anything resembling an opinion
Digital Equipment Corporation              is mine and not DECs.
From: SABRY@SHEBIN.EG
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: REV
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

REV INFO-VAX

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: nowacki@porsche.net.com ( Michael Nowacki I.T. Database Contractor)
Subject: Re: please,I want solve the problem with RDO...
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:53:48 GMT

>In article <AFA6CC3EF17F000C57@EGFRCUVX> HAMDY@SHEBIN.EG writes:
>>Hello info-vax...
>>Please, when I try to define database file on RDO>
>>RDO>define database <filename>.
>>Now, appear to me these message in the following......
>>I'll be glad If anyone solve this problem or the message error.
>>
>>%%%%%%%%%%OPCOM 13-DEC-1992 10:44:28 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>>Message from user HAMDY
>>%license-E-NOAUTH, DEC cdd-plus use is not authorized on this node
>>-license-f-nolicense, noi license is active for this software prodeuct
>>-License-I-sysmgr, please see your system manager
>>
>>
>>%RDO-F-cdderr,error occurred during CDD signin, CDD will not be used
>>-CDD-F-NOMSG, Message number 002bed2c
>>-license-f-nolicense,no license is active for this software product
>>
>>any ideas?

(no Rdb doc at hand...)

I am familiar with the SQL interface, but if RDO is similar, you are using 
syntax that implicitly stores definitions in CDD as well as the database 
metadata. There should be an alternate syntax that will not use the dictionary.

In SQL the difference is

define database *pathname* <cdd_path>.<dbname>

vs. 

define database *filename* dev:[dir_path]filename
From: NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ? for those who missed it
Date: 21 Dec 92 06:22:17 GMT
Organization: Philips Communication & Processing Services
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec18.121310.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> fairfield@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu writes:

> In article <1992Dec18.094143.8053@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>, NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk) writes:
> > In <1go1h5INNik@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
> > 
> >> The original question was not well-posed, since the querant didn't bother to
> >> tell us exactly what this "MOVE" command was supposed to do.
> > 
> > I doubt that; till now you're the only one who didn't seem to understand that.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>     It's one thing when "querants" don't post a summary, it's another
> when they don't even respond to (polite) private messages.  At that point,
> I say screw 'em.
> 			-Ken

I got too many replies two anser them all personally, therefore i *did* post
a summary.
Well then, once again the article I posted one day after my original question:

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk)
Subject: Move command: thanks
Organization: Philips Communication & Processing Services
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:02:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hi There,

I'ld like to thank the following people who responded to my MOVE- question:

     Roy.Omond@EMBL-Heidelberg.DE    (Roy Omond)
     carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU       (Carl J Lydick)
     GORDON@chmeds.ac.nz             (Gordon Findlay)
     JFL@HOBBES.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM  (Joe Lawrence)
     lbmoore@tchden.org              (Louis B. Moore)
     DWING@UH01.Colorado.Edu         (Dan Wing)
     mueller@avalon.physik.unizh.ch  (Eric Mueller)
     churchwell@vms.ocom.okstate.edu (Kimberly B. Churchwell)
and offcourse everybody else who already followed-up/replied a message I haven't
received yet.

I was in fact looking for a program who would MOVE files (I know RENAME works,
but not when I want to move files to another device), but the solution was
very simple:

    MOVE :== "BACKUP/DELETE"

does exactly what I was looking for.

Thanx,
Oscar.


---------
 Abandon Hope                                                   Oscar van Eijk
   All Ye                     O x x y                 C&P SON helpdesk, VN-223
Who Enter Here                            Philips Eindhoven, the Net(her)Lands
                                               nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl


---------
 Abandon Hope                                                   Oscar van Eijk
   All Ye                     O x x y                 C&P SON helpdesk, VN-223
Who Enter Here                            Philips Eindhoven, the Net(her)Lands
                                               nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl