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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: DETROIT PISTONS
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.144729.11956@Princeton.EDU>
hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
 
>I heared that the Pistons are planning to trade Dennis Rodman. Jeez !!!
 
That is a rumor. Just like when someone posted that Rodman will announce
his retirement. The rumor is Rodman for Tisdale and a '93 1st-round pick.
 
>Has the piston management lost it's mind. Taking Dennis out of your team
>contradicts the philosophy (tough D and ability to fight for the
>rebounds) which took the Pistons to #1, 2 yrs in a row.
 
When he's on the team, he's a crybaby with no offensive ability, when he's
rumored to leave, he's Mr. Tough D who can fight for rebounds.
 
The Pistons are trying to sign Mills, the Nets have until Wed @ 5PM to
match the offer. If they do, the Pistons may go after Morris of the Nets
or Miami's Grant Long.
 
--Eric
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:08:30 GMT

In article <6830@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>
>mmmh... Some of the things claimed on this net....
>0.7 ppg *7games= 4.9 pts total....

Some of the nitpickers on the net.  Would you rather him calculate it out
to 10 decimal places?  If the # is correct, everyone knows he scored 5 points
in 7 games...

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Street & Smith predictions
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:04:14 GMT

In article <92273.090732IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>In article <1992Sep18.125248.612@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca
>(Andrew Markham P205) says:
>>
>>Just got my copy of the Street & Smith's Pro Basketball issue.  Hooraahhh!!
>>
>>Central
>>-------
>>1. Chicago Bulls -- big surprise
>>2. Cleveland Cavaliers
>>3. Charlotte Hornets -- WOW!!!
>>4. Atlanta Hawks                        `WOW!!'?  Because Charlotte is
>>5. Indiana Pacers                         ahead of Atlanta?
>>6. Detroit Pistons
>>7. Milwaukee Bucks
>>
>  I don't think Charlotte is that much of a surprise.  They
>were so bad for so long that most teams would have moved to
>Dallas :); now they seem to be composed entirely of high
>Lottery picks.
> Gill/Johnson/Curry/Mourning is an extremely solid nucleus,
>even is Muggsy plays point.  There's some serious young talent
>on that team.  My pick for `Team of the 90's.'
>
>Tom Hyer

I was surprised at first, but the more I think about it, the less I am
surprised.  They do look to have a very stong starting line-up with

PG  Bogues
SG  Curry
SF  Gill
PF  Johnson
C   Mourning

The main reason I responded to this post, was the fact that you say that
Charlotte has an extremely solid nucleus **even if Muggsy plays point**.
I take that to mean that you don't think that Bogues is a legitimate
point guard?  Is it just because he's 5'3", or have you just not watched
him much?

His pesky defense (leading to 170 steals, 6th highest in the league last 
year -- oh yeah, he got 6 blocked shots -- anyone know who's shot he 
blocked???), is one of the most difficult to dribble against in the league.  

Also, his assist-per-turnover ratio is simply unparalleled (even when you
consider the assist-master Stockton).
 
Player     ASSTs  TOs  ASSTs/TO
-------------------------------
Bogues      743  156    4.76***
Stockton   1126  286    3.94
Richardson  685  204    3.40
Price       535  159    3.36
M.Jackson   694  211    3.30
Hardaway    807  267    3.02
K.J.        836  272    3.00
Porter      477  188    2.50

Don't get me wrong.  Bogues isn't the best point-guard in the league, but
he is no slouch.

The main problem with Bogues is his range.  He shoots a decent 47% from
the floor, but cannot sink the 3 pointer because he simply isn't strong
enough.

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Street & Smith predictions
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:21:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEDBC.HE4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

>I was surprised at first, but the more I think about it, the less I am
>surprised.  They do look to have a very stong starting line-up with

>PG  Bogues
>SG  Curry
>SF  Gill
>PF  Johnson
>C   Mourning

	Wait... Gill at SF?  Gill's a lock at off-guard -- pen that in!
	There's no way he's going to get any bit-minutes at small forward.
	He's not big enough (6'4") to defend effectively there.  Can U
	imagine him trying to defend someone like Xavier McDaniel or
	Dominique Wilkins at that spot?  They'd post him up all day.

	Besides, Curry is so effective coming off of the bench.  If he
	starts, the Charlotte bench has no offensive firepower coming off
	of it.  I would look to move LJ over to the small forward slot,
	where he'd match up better on defense (plus, he'd give opposing
	small fowards all they could handle).  I would see someone like
	J.R. Reid or Kenny Gattison starting at PF.

>The main reason I responded to this post, was the fact that you say that
>Charlotte has an extremely solid nucleus **even if Muggsy plays point**.
>I take that to mean that you don't think that Bogues is a legitimate
>point guard?  Is it just because he's 5'3", or have you just not watched
>him much?

>Don't get me wrong.  Bogues isn't the best point-guard in the league, but
>he is no slouch.

>The main problem with Bogues is his range.  He shoots a decent 47% from
>the floor, but cannot sink the 3 pointer because he simply isn't strong
>enough.

	I'd have to agree w/ U about Bogues.  He's nuclear fast, and is
	great in the open floor.  Plus, as U mention, he's a very cautious,
	but effective ball-handler.  He's not your prototype point guard
	(because of height) -- but he's quite solid.  As far as his
	outside shooting -- I don't think it's his strength -- I just don't
	think he has the accurate range as a shooter from 3-pt range.
	He probably could launch it from half-court easily -- he just doesn't
	have the good aim...

	Jazzy J
>-- 
>Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
>Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Chapman (Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills )
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:17:48 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <5877@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>In article <BvGA43.9II@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>|> 	If U think about it -- who in that HS class really has made
>|> 	anything of himself?  Some other people from that HS class I can
>|> 	think of are:  Rex Chapman, Fess Irvin, Earl Duncan, Stevie
>|> 	Thompson, Brian Oliver, Brian Howard...  Each may have had decent
>|> 	college careers -- but pro-wise
>
>Mr. Chapman is still quite young, no? What was his rap in Charlotte?
>I thought that he was the leading scorer there. Any stats?


Yes, Rex is still young, but IMHO, he's fairly unlikely to ever be as
good as he could be. His problem is he plays stupid, takes bad shots,
makes bad decisions, etc. Ordinarily you would assume maturity and
coaching could take care of that, but since Rex is the son of a coach
(Wayne Chapman, West. Kentucky I think), you would assume he's already
had the opportunity growing up and it hasn't helped. Most coaches sons
seem to play "smart", Rex doesn't.

As for Jazzy's point, off the top of my head Derrick Coleman is the one
guy from that class who has succeeded(he was that year wasn't he?).
I could check my old Parade All America lists, but I suspect Jazzy
is correct(as usual (-: ) in saying most of this class has failed to
pan out in the pros.




Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
WARNING: POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE JOKE FOLLOWS.

49er kicker Mike Cofer tried unsuccessfully to commit suicide the other day.
Cofer tried to hang himself, but was unable to kick the chair out from under
his body.
********************************************************************************
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:40:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt) writes:

>Yes the Lakers are very solid at foward.  Worthy and Perkins as a pair hold
>their own against any forward pair in the league.  Notice I did not say
>better so forget the flames.  As a backup, Green will be one of the leagues
>best 6th men.  He has been before, and at the end of last year assumed the
>role of workhorse/leader in the drive to the playoffs.  Remember this guy
>started on the All-Star team.  I know he didn't deserve it, but it does say
>a lot about him.  As for Campbell, he may not be solid, but he is a 
>shot-blocker extroidinarre who could be a great spark off the bench.

	Yeah, what it says about AC Green is that the Lakers fans stuffed
	the ballot boxes... :)

	But on a serious note -- I totally agree with U on the strength
	of the Laker frontline.  Green has taken to the bench well, and
	definitely gives the Lakers an added boost when he comes in.  Now,
	if he didn't miss dunks so much...  :)

	Jazzy J

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From: v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: NBA stats wanted
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

If anyone has any sources for past season NBA stats (I already know about
wuarchive.wustl.edu) especially from the 70s, and any current or past salary
info, hopefully on-line, I would really appreciate it.

One other note, after the Charlotte GM restructured a whole bunch of contracts
to get under the cap for Alonzo, his agent tells him that will do 'for a start'.
You've just JR Reid, Johnny Newman, and who knows who else to forgo money until
the future and that's the agents attitude ??? I'd have hit him. 
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From: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge)
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks *really* going to be that good???
Reply-To: jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.190020.22249@Princeton.EDU>  
hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
> A serious fan of the nets (a friend of mine) tells me that Kenny has
> looked exceedingly good in the summer camps averaging around 20-30
> points every game. Thankfully the old fart ..
> Bill Fitch has been dumped. Hopefully Daly will start Anderson istead of
> Mookie. Mookie can be good but he clearly doesn't have the potential to
> be great. 
> 

Yes, indeed, this is a crucial year for Kenny.  He needs to at least  
solidify his starting status and play consistently.  He's got stuff, even  
in the NBA.  He'll start performing.  To consider last year a disaster for  
Anderson is to completely miss the point.  Desite the lack of  
organizational unity on the Nets' part, Kenny still got in some quality  
minutes and made some things HAPPEN!  Sure, his stats sucked.  Sure, he  
made some mistakes.  But, you have to have been there, reading between the  
lines.  

As for the Knicks, I have consistently been on the record saying that they  
will never win during the Ewing era, particularly after they lost  
McDaniel.  However, I must admit, if it's going to be any year for the  
Knicks, it will either be this one or the next.  The deals they made  
subsequent to Xavier's exit are quite impressive, particularly given the  
speed with which they were executed (although the big trade was tied up  
for quite some time).  What they have done is to acquire depth, depth, and  
more depth.  

Whether or not Greg Anthony is the point guard of the future for the  
Knicks, he has proven himself a valuable reserve and capable of starting.   
The addition of Rivers/Blackman is not just a return of the Maurice Cheeks  
days, mainly because back then they still only had Gerald at #2, and Kiki  
was starting (yow).  They also didn't have Starks, Mason, or two power  
forwards.  The Knicks are deep and versatile up front, and in the back  
court.  The number of possible lineups for them is mind-boggling.  Mason,  
Smith, and Oakley can play just about any front-court position.  Campbell  
can play shooting forward or guard.  Rivers can play both backcourt  
positions.  With the right coach (which they coincidentally have), they  
are going to be dangerous.    
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From: fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Gaze in the NBA?
In-reply-to: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU's message of 30 Sep 92 02:58:46 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:09:46

In article <1992Sep30.025846.5373@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY) writes:

   O.K all you American basketball fans, what I ask here is your expert 
   judgement.  Is Andrew Gaze good enough to play in the NBA or is he better
   off staying in Europe? 


Gaze wasn't good enough to play in the NCAA finals against Michigan
in '89.  Much-hyped before the game, played like a stiff; unable to get
his shot off against superior athleticism of Glen Rice & five other future
pros. (Actually, six--Hughes, Calip, and Griffin are all playing abroad).
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:23:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: rti.1992Oct5.152337.10395
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <BvIEK0.K34@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
>Magic has played for $2.5 million/season for ten years and never - to the best
>of my knowledge - griped about it. He has made Jerry Buss a pile of money. 

I don't know whether Magic ever griped about his contract, but originally
it was supposed to be $25 million for 25 years -- back when a million bucks
a year seemed like a lot of money to get paid for playing basketball.  They
renegotiated only a few years after making the 25-year deal, but I don't
think Magic ever complained publicly about his salary.
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Subject: pervis ellison
From: elda@chen.bgu.ac.il (elda weizman )
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:26:10 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel


Is Pervis Ellison still injured, or is he 100% fit for the season?
Anyway, is he as good as his stats look?- they are VERY impressive.
Is the guy a future all-star?

Answer soon,
Noam                           elda@chen.bgu.ac.il


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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.010623.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>
f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
 
>Fortunately for those of us who hate Pistons woofers,
 
I thought you hated the Pistons or the woofing, now you say it's the
woofers themselves that you hate. Well, I guess I hate you too then.
But we should all fight together against the real problem: the Bulls woofers.
 
>the Mills move
>blew up in the Pistons' face.
 
Sure they spent alot of $$, but Mills is not all that heavy for a 6'10
player (Weighing under 260 with motivation to lose 15 more pounds), and
will not be a starter as long as Rodman is still on the team.
Mills is motivated to play for the Pistons, and as much as I hate to say it,
he has lots of...potential.
<ouch!...fighting back memories of William Bedford>
 
>It will be nice to see them in 6th place
>in a 7-team division once again.
 
They have *never* been in 6th place in a 7-team division.
Way back in '80 (before Isiah) they were in 6th in a 6-team division.
But I can safely say that they will *not* end up in 6th this year.
I will bet that they will finish no lower than 3rd. I hope this
outlandish woofing doesn't offend you too deeply.
 
>Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
 
--Eric
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From: holt@pi.enet.dec.com (Bill Holt)
Subject: Re: 1992-1993 NBA.C PROGRAM IS HERE!
Keywords: NBA schedule NBC TNT
Reply-To: holt@pi.enet.dec.com (Bill Holt)
Organization: Evans and Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.205733.26560@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, len@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
(leonard.g.carr) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
|>Path:
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javelin.sim.es.com!orca!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!sgiblab!sdd.hp.com!uakari.prim
mate.wisc.edu!caen!uwm.edu!linac!att!cbnewsk!cbnewsj!len
|>From: len@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (leonard.g.carr)
|>Subject: Re: 1992-1993 NBA.C PROGRAM IS HERE!
|>Organization: AT&T
|>Distribution: usa
|>Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:57:33 GMT
|>Message-ID: <1992Sep25.205733.26560@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
|>Keywords: NBA schedule NBC TNT
|>References: <1992Sep24.201025.15364@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
|><1992Sep24.203030.18277@sarah.albany.edu> <1992Sep25.181931.25208@javelin.sim.es.com>
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|>In article <1992Sep25.181931.25208@javelin.sim.es.com> holt@pi.enet.dec.com (Bill Holt)
|>writes:
|>	.
|>	.
|>	.
|>>
|>>I saved the program and compiled it on my machine;
|>>when I ran it, a message is displayed which states
|>>"The NBA regular season runs from 11/6 to 4/25."
|>>Apparently this is all the program will do until the
|>>first week in November.
|>>When you compile on a UNIX machine, you get
|>>a filename.out.  To run, simply type that name,
|>>and the program should take it from there.  But
|>>as I stated above, apparently all the program does
|>>for now is displays a message.
|>
|>
|>Doesn't anybody ready file headers any more?  Sure, if you just enter "nba"
|>you'll currently get the message "The NBA regular season..."!  What else
|>should you get?  If, however, you typed "nba 11/6" you would get a list of
|>the schedule for 11/6.  If you typed "nba -s 2/20" you would get a summary
|>of the schedule for the week starting on 2/20.  Etc., etc., etc.
|>
|>===============================================================================
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|>	|  |    |  ,-----' |   \ |  |		|| AT&T CellNet
|>	|  |    |  `---,   |    \|  |		|| 200 Laurel Ave., MT 2D-213
|>	|  |    |  ,---'   |  |\    |		|| Middletown, NJ 07748
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|>	`-----' `--------' `--'  `--'		|| len@mt747.att.com
|>===============================================================================
|> 	
|>

Don't get your shorts all in a knot.  I made a simple boo-boo.  Excuse me.
I'll surely type 'nba' with the appropriate qualifiers from now on, ok?
From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:57:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>In article <38933@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>>A frightening thought just occurred to me:  if Magic plays two more
>>seasons and then retires (for real) before the 94-95 season, does
>>this give the Lakers a $7.3 million exception that they can use to
>>go out and sign, say, four players at $1.825 million each?  Could
>>this be the gaping loophole in salary cap rules that West and Buss
>>have discovered?
>>
>This could not happen.  They would have a $7.3 mil hole, but they could not
>break it up.  They would need to use it on one player (not all of it obviously)
>
>C Squared


If this is the case, it's still a gaping loophole in the salary cap
rules.  Every time a player is about to retire, give him an
exorbitant salary for the year following his retirement.  Let him
retire, and then use half of the exorbitant salary to get anybody
you want.  In the next few years, the Lakers could pull this same
stunt with Byron Scott, James Worthy, James Edwards, Sam Perkins,
and maybe A.C. Green.  Give them each a $10 million contract
extension, let them retire, and then go out and get a $5 million
player to replace each of them.

Granted, it's an *expensive* stunt, but it would work, if the rules
are as C Squared indicates.  (Anybody know for sure?)  The Lakers
could simply purchase continued dominance into the 21st century.

Tony
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Another Don Nelson interview
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:12:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.015505.14790@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>Here are selected comments from an interview with Don (Nellie) Nelson
>with Ralph Barbieri of KNBR, the Warriors' flagship radio station,
>conducted on Friday, Sept. 25th.

Good info, thanks - missed it.

Did Nelson give Ralpharoo a rough time I hope?  Last year Nellie
ragged on Ralph pretty hard(I loved it).  The best was when
Ralph first took Ibanez' spot on SportsTalk, moving from
SportsPhone.

(approximate conversation:)

Nellie:  Geez, Ralph, when do I get to take some callers, I want to
         answer some intelligent questions.

Ralph:   Well, Don, we don't take calls on this show, that's the
         next show.  Now, Don...

Nellie:  (Interrupts) Too bad, not that you ever took any calls when
         you ran the phone in show either, you just talked away
         until your guest fell asleep, then broke for another
         commercial. Did you really have a phone?  or any guests?

Ralph:   Cmon, Don

I had to pull off the highway I was laughing so hard.

Mike