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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs perverted to include other breeds
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:04:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.144434.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.180630.14688@mcnc.org>, terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.170820.2093@terminator.cc.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
>>>
>>>Can I pervert this thread to include other breeds?  My favorite
>>>"How to NQ" story was the one about the large breed dog who retrieved
>>>the bar jump instead of jumping it....  Unfortunately I only READ this
>>>and didn't get to see it....
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, yes, pervert away!
>> 
>> How 'bout the Bassett Hound who on the Directed Retrieve exercise, instead
>> of picking up the glove picked up his ear by mistake and brought it all
>> the way back to the handler without ever realizing his what he had done?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Terri Hardwick 					(terrih@mcnc.org)
>
>
>Ok, I think I understand why the 1st dog NQ'd - surely he was aware that he
>hadn't retrieved the dumbbell?  Maybe he was just protesting AKC regulation
>jump heights for large breeds!

Actually, there's no retrieve over the bar, but failing to jump is a 
problem....  Perhaps if he'd jumped and THEN retrieved the bar....

>But the Basset clearly meant to retrieve the glove; and anyway, those 
>big old ears are probably hard to keep track of, always draggin' on the floor. 
>I'd pass him.  Does the AKC cover this contingency in their Rules &
>Regulations? :-)
>

This counts as failure to retrieve the glove, I'm afraid.....  :-)
From: karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and Jogging
Date: 24 Sep 92 06:58:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I take my 1/2 Border Collie (I think the other half is tongue) out with
the bicycle, especially on Sunday mornings, when I can cut through the
warehouses, down to the park, up across the overpass, to the OTHER
park, the whole round trip being about 8 miles (as the bicycle, but not
necessarily the dog flies), water accessible for a quick doggy dip most
of the way.

At first, I have a hard time keeping up, as I dawdle along at 12-14
miles an hour. This dog is ready to run!

Even so, I always take water, enough for me, enough for him, too!  I
offer him a drink every couple or three miles. And I let him set the
pace on the way back, which is usually more like 9-10 miles an hour.
He's on leash on the way back, I'm just tired enough that I'm only
paying 95% attention, instead of 110%.

And yes, he's off-leash most of the time, except near the busy
cross-streets, and we worked and worked at intersection behavior for
the quiet corners, used to take 40 minutes to go 1.2 miles.  It's worth
it, all the work, all the training, all the need for the 110% attention
and the risk of tumbling the bicycle while he's on leash. The absolute
joy of a dog doing what he loves to do, in his case, run, run, run!
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pets and Kids
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

I have both pets and kids. Both must be taught apropriete behavoir when
in contact with each other! Since I have 7 dogs and most kids are not
accustomed to this many animals I never leave kids unattended with my
dogs. Anything could happen and both would suffer. My dogs are well
trained but not all kids are familiar with that many dogs at one time.
To Prevent Mishaps I keep my gates locked at all times. To visit my kids
or me you must go through the garage door bypassing all dogs. If the
dogs are in the house I answer the door and ask the visitor to wait a
minute while I put my dogs up.
If you are going to have dogs then you must think ahead about any
problems that could occur and then proof for it. Dogs running loose are
a hazard to everyone, especially the dog. If you really love your dog,
then you don't let it get in situations that are potentially dangerous.
If one of my dogs bit a child I would be horrified, and the State would
probably require me to put the dog down. I don;t ever want to be in this
situation.
Not all kids are usta dogs, nor are the parents. Instead of having the
attitude that it is the parents fault, educate the child that is coming
in contact with your dog. When I am at a show, and a child approaches my
dog, I quietly knell down and explain to the child How to Pet My Dog!
The Parents get the message, the child learns how to pet a dog and the
dog gets the attention. Everyone wins. I also keep my crates covered at
a show to prevent lil' fingers from poking thier way in and possibly
getting bit.
Please don't take the attitude that if a child gets bit, it is the
childs fault. Even if it is, you and your dog will be the ones to pay
for it. If everyone would take the time to educate the children on
proper dog petting procedures, maybe there would be less bites and less
Anti-Dog Sentiment in this country.

Climbing off My Soap Box Now!

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: STOP USING BORAX AGAINST FLEAS!
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:32:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Tennessee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu

lee tjio asks:

> Warnings like the one shown above always intrigue me.  What amount is
> too much?  Is Pytherine safe?  How about if we drink a teaspoon of it ...
                                              ^^
> or a tablespoon ... or is it safe by the glass?  How about Sevin?  Is
> 1 ounce safe?  Given the choices available today, what is safer?  And
> at what amount?  Inquiry minds want to know.

ld-50 data is available (for humans -- you did say "we"), but it's 
of course dependent on product formulation (e.g. sevin-df 5% versus 
sevin-wp 50%)

-- 
mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
department of computer science, university of tennessee
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: The ongoing Argument and Pet Shows...
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:16:34 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Dears......*smile*  Enough is enough....I think we have heard
more than enough information from both sides to make our decisions...
*WHAT DECISION??*  *laugh*

Seriously...I love to argue.....but enough is enough.....I am kinda
getting tired of seeing this same ol' same ol' carrying on....

On OTHER notes.....*smile*

I wanted to tell you all that Cinnamon went to her first 
dog show.  It was a show for any and all dogs, with around
33 dogs showing up.  The categories were cutest, longest hair...
you get the picture.

I took Min so that she would get used to going out around people
and other dogs.  I thought I was going ot have to leave when we first
got there.  She went CRAZy!  Barking, tugging at the leash....when
she does that, she feeels like she weighs more like 100 instead of
50 pounds...she si STRONG!  But I made myself go on, and take up right
up to where they all were...and she started calming down. I tried to be
verypatient wiht her and I really feel that helped her more than anything.
Eventually, she seemed so at home and comfortable in the situation.
We entered in several events, in which she won nothing, but we both
enjoyed it.  One of the local obedience schools had a few dogs and
owners there, and demonstrated things the dogs had learned.  It wwas
very intersting indeed!

I am trying ot find out how to go about finding other dogs shows,
for dogs who are not AKC.  I still think she is a Wheaten, 
even though she is abotu 15 pounds heavier than a typical female,
and several inches taller!  *laugh*  But I am not sure that she
would be able to get her ILP number.

Any suggestions?  Where would I start looking?  I thought about trying
to call the local AKC club here, but have not found one.  I 
am going ot call my vet tomorrow to see if I can get more info that way.
I really would like to take her to some shows in the area (Jackson, MS)
and get her used to it, and see what is expected of them.  
Of course, the local AKC Club may not have any info for me on this kind 
of thing....I am really green to this type of thing.  *smile*

Thanks for your help....and please dont get offended at my asking the
argument to stop...I was trying ot be nice *smile*

SUzanne

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From: scott@fido.cs.jhu.edu (Scott Smith)
Subject: Overly Protective Doggie
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:07:46 GMT

Our 8-mo. GSD, Natasha, is the nicest dog in the world outside of our
house, loves to play with any dog she runs into, never ever barks or
shows aggression, etc.  However, the house is HER turf (she is an
inside dog), and she is extremely protective, to the point of being a
real problem.  We have never trained her or wanted her to be
protective, she just IS that way (convinced me how important
genetics/early learning from mom is..)  The problem is it is so
extreme we haven't had much luck training her out of it.  For people
we know, she runs up to them barking, but then sniffs and mellows out.
Suppose we all sit down and talk for awhile: she is fine, likes to
play with the visitors, etc.  But, if they stand up, she takes that as
an act of aggression and starts barking etc.  We discipline her of
course.  For people we don't know (repair people etc), we don't want
to put them through this so we have had to crate her as of late.  The
gas man (guy that reads the meter) doesn't even want to come in, he
got the sh*t scared out of him awhile back.  The mail delivery lady
complained that her barking scared her, even though the mail gets put
through a slot and the dog could never, ever get to her.

Any suggestions?  One problem is we don't have people over that often.
For awhile we had a lot of people over, and she was getting better.
One thing some book said was to put them in a sit stay when someone is
at the door.  Hah-hah.  She is so excited her stay lasts about 1
second, even though in any other circumstance she does fine.  The
problem is worse by restraining or crating her, because it just gets
her more upset because we are keeping her from her turf patrol, so we
really need to just let her roam, but with strangers we don't think
this is a good thing.  Oh BTW she is NEVER aggressive towards my wife
or myself, shows no alpha-signs.  We did a test of her litter and she
was about in the middle dominance-wise.  She just wants to protect the
house and us.  

The one thing I can think to do is to invite friends over on a regular
basis for a period, letting them know in advance we are trying to
train our dog.  (And, not inviting people that get scared by dogs!)

Another thing, we are planning on soon getting another more "friendly"
dog, probably a retreiver.  Will this make Natasha more friendly?  Or,
will she teach the young dog to be more aggressive?

Scott
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From: mitcha@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mitch Abrams)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:15:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Puppy Litter Question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Depends ALOT on the breed.

Six live is a pretty good average for Newfs, however our two litters
were 3 and 4 pups.

Mitch
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:36:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ics.2AD1F8DC.16785
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <1687883CF.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>
>You are both making the assumption that it is OK for a kid to come
>into my yard for any reason.  If you want to make that assumption,
>then you are welcome to.  But it's not OK for me.  That's why I have a
>chain link fence (with a locked gate) around my yard (note that this
>eliminates the "toddler" coming in my yard).  And if a kid big enough
>to climb a fence is dumb enough to climb in anyway with my 2 dogs
>barking their heads off at him, then HE DESERVES TO GET BIT!  PERIOD.

You have *labs* that bite?

--Cindy
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The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all nine parts -- is available via ftp to
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:21:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23791
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Krueger writes:
>  It's silly to pretend that, of the millions of unwanted dogs
>every year, all were from "disreputable" breeders.

Yes, that extends the reach of the humane societies to every
reach of the dog world, doesn't it.

Every institution likes to extend its reach that way, it's nothing
particularly bad about humane societies.

But: If there's a stink in the papers and in the news media, it is there
because some politician or charity head wants it there.  Hearne's second law.

The humane societies have long been dedicated to social hygiene
movements.  Now some sociologists have begun to respond,
noticing the peverse effects.

IT'S NOT THAT THERE AREN'T GOOD PEOPLE IN HUMANE SOCIETIES.
It's that the politics of organizations isn't readily recognized.

How would the crisis work if they were all called ``dog disposal
societies'' instead of humane societies?  Would anybody pay attention,
if they used that name to do exactly what they do today?

Why do they choose ``humane'' instead?

It's time to think about it.
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: personal for Gregg Roberts
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F0897C5D012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 1 Oct 92 15:54:52 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:01:38 GMT

Gregg,

Sorry I have to answer your e-mail this way..your address bounced.



Thanks for the info.  I had Major checked, the doc said
that he had a mild heart murmor (common in older dogs)
but everthing else seemed to check out fine.

Regards,


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Kleenex-eating Poodles
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:23:26 GMT

In article <2AC33A99.26516@news.service.uci.edu> llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald) writes:
>
>I think this must be a "dog" thing in general.  I have two cocker
>spaniels.  The nine-year old male has always been one to get into
>the trash can in the bathroom.  I broke him of chewing shoes or any
>other unacceptable items, but he would always love to pull out the
>trash.  He only recently stopped doing this when I got a new cocker
>puppy.  Now she pulls out the trash and I think Charlie gave it up
>so he could look at me with that "Mom, look what Ashley is doing!"
>expression he does so well.
>
>My solution has been to put the trash can up where it is out of
>harms (or dogs) way.
>
I second the opinion that this is a "dog" thing.  Every dog I have had
the pleasure to live with has loved tissue.  The beagle we had when I
was small would climb up and over anything for a tissue.  I had left
one on the piano once and he literally walked up and down the keyboard
chewing on that tissue.  My mom thought I was still in the house
practicing.  It finally convinced her I had no talent and should stop
taking lessons.  Our Cocker would withstand any correction to get to
at tissues.  We ended up keeping everything out of reach.  Trash cans
on top of toilets, etc.  Our current dogs love toilet paper and will
pull it off the roll and drag it all around the house.  If they can
get out of sight for two seconds, its a sure bet they're in the
bathroom trying to get at the toilet paper.  The toilet paper rolls
have now joined the trash cans on top of the toilet.  My husband
thinks its a shame that when we redid the bathroom, I spend so much
money on solid-brass acessories -- including a toilet paper
holder that's never used ;-)

schalene
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: A Brief Bird-dog Brag
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:04:44 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

Sorsby'd Kiss Me Kate qualified twice more in the AKC Hunting Tests
for Pointing Dogs at the Central New Mexico Brittany Club Tests on
26 & 27 September.  Kate is four for four and needs one more
qualification for her Senior Hunter title.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:29:40 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Kathleen Brewer writes:
> This dog was protective of us..She was not trained to do so..It comes
> naturally.
> I have had kids come into my yard to get a ball, frisbee whatever
> without any problems. But I also know that if an honest to god intruder
> came into my yard or home my dog would make mincemeat of him. A properly
> raised and socialized dog knows the difference between a child who comes
> into the yard and someone who wants to harm us.


I never knew how much this was true before I got my dobie. I am often amazed
at what good judgement he has as far as protecting me goes...since he
displays so little sense in most other areas of his life :*) A properly
socialized dog with natural protective instincts is SO sensitive to wierd
behaviour in people, and that's what cues them to be protective. A person
coming into your yard to get a ball moves differently from a person intent on
sneaking in and robbing you and the dog will pick up on this right
away...it's not surprsing since dog language consists so much of body
language. I often find myself explaining the difference between a vicious dog
and a friendly/protective dog to strangers who ask, "Does he bite?" It
bothers me immensely that people don't socialize their dogs properly,
thinking it will make them better 'guard dogs'...it just makes them dangerous
:(

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From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Subject: Re: Dog is totally stiff
Keywords: arthritis, stiff from diarhea
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:06:45 GMT

This happened once to my dog. He had severe diahorea, although it wasn't black,
His back legs seemed to give way and he couldn't get up. It lasted about 2 days,
then he was back to normal. The vet X rayed him and examined him, and couldn't
find anything wrong with him. It hasn't happened since.

The theory was that his stomach or GI was inflamed and was causing pain, so
he tried not to move.

Scared the H**L out of me!!

Good luck
-- 
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Training a dog to be more wary of strangers
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 15:21:09 GMT

From article <BvE6JA.L9q@hsi.com>, by hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht):
> 
> Hi,
> I have an adorable 5 month old male Boxer who LOVES everyone!  While I'm
> glad he's friendly I also expected him to be a bit more protective of
> his home and us.  Right now, he'd go home with the pizza delivery boy
> if I let him.  Will he become more wary of stangers as he gets older or
> is there something I can do to make him realize that he should be a bit
> more protective and "watch dog" like?
>
I'm sorry, I do not have any practical advice, but your mention of
going home with the pizza delivery person reminded me of a very 
funny story.

This goes back to when our golden was puppy (and a devil).  
We had ordered a pizza for delivery.  The pizza guy came
cruising down our driveway and dashed out of his car
leaving his door open.  We opened the door to accept the pizza
and FLASH Saavik (our puppy) dashes out and does three circles
around the delivery guy.  She then dashes down the side walk
and leaps into his car - jumps over to the passenger seat
and sits down on top of about 4 pizzas.  The delivery guy
turned and looked at us with the most dumbfounded look on
his face.  It was hilarious.  She was the happiest dog
tail wagging and all smiles waiting for her car ride.


-- 
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smanastasi@mmm.com       a day.  Teach him to fish and you can tax him!"
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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: bone spurs
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:46:30 GMT

A neighbor dog has been diagnosed with bone spurs.  The vet is recomending
hip replacement ($1200), surgury to remove spurs ($600  and dog may be left with
a perm. limp) or putting the dog to sleep (not an option for my neighbor)

Pia is a 5 year old Cocker Spanial.  Does anyone have any advice, experiences
to share?  Has your dog had this surgury?  How successful was it?  Does the
dog still have pain? A limp?  Will the spurs come back?
--
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usually better than a badly expressed fact, so far as professional
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From: mjdb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW JAY DRAUD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Australian Shepherd Male (Red Merle)
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:18:11 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I live in Bethlehem Pa. I have a male Australian Shepherd who is red merle
with blue eyes. He is registered both in National Stock Dog Registry and AKC.
I would like to stud him in the spring. He has an excellent lineage and is
very well trained and obedient. If you have a female that would like to breed
and are looking for possible studs, let me know. Thank you. Matt
mjdb@lehigh.edu
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