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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (The Blue)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:16:05 GMT

In article <1ei43dINNlkb@pollux.usc.edu> akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale) writes:

>Selina has had lots of different characterizations. I liked her early 80s
>version, where she went straight. The current character leaves me rather cold.
>In particular, the old Selina Kyle never used to kill, while the current one
>has no such scruples. I suppose in the new DC universe were heroes go around
>killing, its too much to expect villains to refrain from doing so, but I 
>think the character has lost something with that. 

I liked the early 80's version as well, but probably my single
favorite Selina story is the one where she went nuts and put Silver in
the hospital B{).  That's a love-triangle I'd *love* to see pursued
:^) But barring a Matrix appearance in the Bat-titles, I'd say Silvers
another casualty :^)

>Talia is an interesting character, and so is her daddy Ra's, but my personal
>favorite bat lady is Silver St. Cloud. The panel and story in which bruce
>and Silver bid each other goodbye has to be one of the most touching batman
>stories ever. 

Agreed on all points.  

Denny's writing has been real hit and miss for me of late, but the
last few things (Bats/GA, LotDK and it's annual, etc.) have been
pretty good.  So I'm fairly hopeful about Birth of the Demon (at least
it'll look great, in any case :^).  But who knows, it's been a while
since we've gotten a good Talia story, maybe we'll get one if Birth
does well.  BTW, is Julie Madison the one that became Princess
whatever-the-heck of fill-in-the-blank small princedom?  If so, she's
definitely better left forgotten :^) All I can remember at the moment
is that stupid WF story with Batman playing the Prince but fooling no
one in the entire cast, and the Hugo Strange rip-off who was infected
with the Brain.  She was a non-entity even when she was in continuity
:^).  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vicki Vale goes *way* back, to the
Golden Age, doesn't she?  Too bad she wasn't left back there...

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Titans Sell Out and Checkmate *S*
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:27:18 EST

mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:

> Aqualad, obviously he was added at the last minute on the cover panel cuz the
> issue was planned before his readditon...maybe soon we can actually see him
> doing something besides standing there looking good.
> 

Oh dear, oh dear.  I knew it was too long since I'd been reading Teen 
Titans.  I thought Aqualad was *dead*.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Guy Gardner #3
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:45:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I REALLY liked this issue. I've been a big Guy Gardner fan for 
years (no flames, please). I was thrilled to hear he was getting
his own book. So far, I have enjoyed the series. I think I've 
enjoyed GG#3 the best for two reasons:
	1) I got to see Guy kicking butt in a fight and win big.
	   DC doesn't give him many chances to be victorious.
	2) It allowed the reader to use their imagination as
	   to what Guy might be thinking.
Last page was just perfect for the book..."Next!"  I had to laugh
out loud...
		BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!
-- 
Scott Casteel <<sbc>>
   "Wanna make somethin' out of it?"
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From: v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: For those that are sick of the Legion of net.heroes
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <5970@balrog.ctron.com>, lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence) writes...

>dd another vote in favor of the LNH.

And another.  That makes it 16 by my count...not that it should matter.


>And this 40 - whatever crap is a fake. The votings being manipulated
>and the numbers against it are being padded.


I'm not going to level charges, since I have no idea of what Mr. Cowling is
like in real life and no proof or reason to suspect that he would do such
a thing, but I do agree with one thing--this 40-whatever thing is crap. How
'bout just letting it rest, everybody concerned?  In the meantime, I'll 
continue to post here (since I don't get a.c.lnh and Weaselnews is a poor
substitute at best...no offense) and I'll continue to preface my LNH articles
with LNH, and I'll continue to hope that the situation can be handled in a
mature fashion.  We're all grownups here, boys and girls--at least, we're
supposed to be.  Maybe we should start acting the part.




                                              Ben Pierce
                                              a.k.a. Marvel_Zombie Lad
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:51:59 GMT

gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.235753.982@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:

>>The story ends with Superman and Hal going to Hell (Neil didn't say why),
>>
>	Why is it that EVERYONE goes to Hell? My gosh.

They haven't _all_ gone to Hell, but Hell is a lot more interesting
than Heaven.
-- 
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From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Subject: Re: The writer, Harlan Ellison
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:20:47 GMT


There has also been an adaptation of "A Boy and his Dog" and related shorts,
published as _Vic and Blood_, if I remember correctly. I've got a copy
at home; I'll get more info on it if anyone wants.
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From: carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Subject: Re: "Last" Superman stories
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.003454.9095@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>,
michaell@snake7.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee) wrote:
> 
> I was impressed by one thing -- they don't ever "explain" Doomsday.  He's
> much more A Force Of Nature then anything else.  I'm sure that someday he'll
> be better explained, but right now, it's one of the few interesting things 
> about this plotline.  Unfortunately, JLA this month didn't deal with the
> death very well --- very sappy, really.  Those oh-so-convienient armbands.
> 

I'm sorry, but the one thing that impressed you left me cold.  It seemed
like 
it was simply a convenient plotdevice (tm) so that, when they want Superman
dead, simply introduce the mystery murderer.  At this point, I couldn't
care
less whether or not they (the writing team) reveal who and/or what Doomsday
is/was.

I think the word "cheesy" fits my opinion of Superman #75 to a T. ;)

Rob

Rob Carlin                      | "Nothing's so cold
carlinra@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu  |  As closing the heart when all we need
carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu |  Is to free the soul
                                |  But we wouldn't be that brave, I know."
                                |  - "All I Want," by Toad the Wet Sprocket
From: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Annotated Tintin Chronology part II
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:38:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
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THE SECRET OF THE SEA UNICORN
RED RACKHAM'S TREASURE
  This two-part story is about a hunt for a treasure belonging to one
  of Captain Haddock's ancestors.  The second part introduces Professor
  Calculus, the brilliant if hard-of-hearing inventor.  The story also
  introduces Marlinspike Hall, which by the end of the story becomes
  Captain Haddock's home.

THE SEVEN CRYSTAL BALLS
PRISONERS OF THE SUN
  The conclusion of this story was interrupted by the liberation of 
  Begium.  Although he had not been politically involved, Herge had
  been working for a collabarationist newspaper and was arrested
  four times although he only had to spend one night in jail.  He had
  to endure a temporary ban on his work which led to public rumors
  that he was ill or had died.
  Prisoners of the Sun was later adapted into the first animated
  Tintin movie.

LAND OF BLACK GOLD
  This story was begun before the Nazi occupation but for political
  reasons couldn't publish it until later.  It went through a
  number of revisions.  Captain Haddock wasn't in the original
  story and so he had to be shoehorned in.

DESTINATION MOON
EXPLORERS ON THE MOON
  More political intrigue in Syldavia.  In this story Calculus 
  gets a hearing aid and for the first time actually hears what
  Haddock is saying about him.

THE CALCULUS AFFAIR
  This one is a cold war era spy story involving Calculus's latest
  invention, a sonic weapon.  Once again Sylvania and Borduria
  are involved.  This story also introcduces Jolyon Wagg, an 
  obnoxious insurance salesman, and the inimitable Bianca
  Castafiore

THE RED SEA SHARKS
  Brings back some characters from Land of Black Gold.  The story is
  a denunciation of slavery, which was still being practiced in
  parts of Africa.

TINTIN IN TIBET
  Tintin goes on a quest to the top of the world to find his friend
  Chang from the Blue Lotus.  

THE CASTAFIORE EMERALD
  A drawing room comedy/mystery set entirely in Marlinspike Hall

FLIGHT 714
  This story begins when Tintin and his friends _don't_ take flight
  714 to Sydney but accept the invitation of an eccentric millionaire
  instead.  The story involves a hijacking, Malayian freedom fighters,
  and ancient astronauts.

TINTIN AND THE PICAROS
  The last completed Tintin story.  Tintin becomes involved in a
  revolution in a Latin American republic.  He also wears long pants.

   These notes are hurried and woefully incomplete.  For more information
I would direct you to TINTIN AND THE WORLD OF HERGE by Benoit Peeters 
published by Little Brown and Company.  An excellent book, extensively 
illustrated.  A must for any rabid Tintin fan.

-- 
"All the World's A Stage and Everyone's a Critic"
                   --Captain Flux
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From: pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re:  Re: '93 is a'comin'.....
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:59:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.144726.4535@i88.isc.com>, johnfa@i88.isc.com (John Fanelli) writes:
> Hey all,
> 	I was out of town last week due to an illness in my 
> family.  I missed the post "'93 is a'comin'", could whomever
> posted it please mail it to me at johnfa@i88.isc.com.
> 
> 				thanks, 
> 					john fanelli
> 
> 
> I


Sorry, lost the post.  I'll try to dig up the info I had.


Peace

PJH
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:02:10
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:31:04 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:31:04 GMT, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) said:

tara> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>     4) He's really dead, but someone can make a clone.
>>     Counter-argument: aren't they canceling LSH for just this sort
>>     of silline ss?

>lsmith> Maybe they just save his brain. (It's only resting at the
>lsmith> moment.) Superbrain!  It has a ring to it. Maybe stick it
>into lsmith> one of Cliff Steele's old bodies, let Grant Morrison
>write the lsmith> title for awhile.

>But how are they going to get his brain out? Revive DD and have him
>rip his head off :)

tara> Or maybe they can just do to CLark what Luthor did to himself.
tara> IE: CLone a new body, and put the saved (you do all remember
tara> "They Saved Luthor's Brain!) brain in it?

But they still have to get the brain out right? Well Supes is still
nigh unvulnerable even when dead, so how can they cut it out? At least
he still exibited unvulnerablity in Holy Terror, but that WAS an Else
Worlds book.
--
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From: lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: The illegal Sandman
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:17:51 GMT

In <13679@ecs.soton.ac.uk> ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ) writes:

>I heard a fairly definate, but unfortunately incomplete rumour this weekend
>about a recent(ish) customs and excise raid on one of the UK comic
>shops/distributors - apparently amongst the goods seized were all the copies
>of Sandman #33 (the one where George first meets Thessaly) & the Dolls House 
>and Season of Mists collections, together with a number of Hellblazers
>and others.

>Does anyone know anything to confirm/confound this - I find it a little
>disturbing, to say the least, and would like to know more.

Well, I heard Neil tell Kate that Sandman and Omaha had been seized in the
same shipment. I don't have any real details. I just do this to increase
my prestige in this group by giving impression the false impression that
I know these people. B{) 

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Don't think I'll ever get used to your strange
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  clothes or that upper class, public school accent,
 Using up all that promise |  but you're all right. Let's go to the pub. Your
   I showed in my youth.   |  treat."      _Mr Peanut meets John Constantine_
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman funeral on SNL 11/21/92
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:13:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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In article 3808@leland.Stanford.EDU, firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>In article <abick.722537824@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>>In <1992Nov23.151107.26842@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:
>>
>>>I didn't recognize all the costumes used in the Superman funeral
>>>segment.  Here are those I did recognize:
>>
>>>Jimmy Olsen   (Rob Schneider (sp?))
>>>Lois Lane     (Julia Sweeney)
>>>Perry White   (Phil Hartman)
>>>Batman
>>>Robin         (Chris Rock)
>>>Aquaman       (Dana Carvey)
>>>John Stewart  (Tim Meadows (?))
>>>Flash         (Adam Sandler)
>>>Spiderman
>>>Hulk          (Chris Farley)
>>>Reed Richards (? Davis (I can't believe I can't remember his name))
>>>Black Lightning (Sinbad)
>>
>>
>>Wasn't Kevin Neland(sp?) Hawkman?      <<== That's Nealon
>
>And Catwoman, Pengin, and Lex Luthor. 
 
Lex "Classic Baldy" Luthor was played by Al Franken.

I think I saw a Swamp Thing sitting down as part of the crowd.

And who played Hawkwoman?  She had some lines, unlike Hawkman.

By any chance was Batman played by Jon Lovitz, sneaking back to the show?

I thought the creators of this sketch did a knowing job of choosing between 
accurate pieces of current comics lore (e.g., John Stewart, new Hawk suits) 
and portraying the characters the way non-comics fans might known them (e.g., 
Lois still being clueless about Clark=Superman). 

--James Langdell     jamesc@eng.sun.com





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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (RedSwordTarga)
Subject: Re: DC: Supes death -- price gouging
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:11:49 GMT

tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

>By closing time, one of the local shops was apparently charging
>$25 for the Supes death issue.  This was on Thursday, the same
>day the book hit the shelves.  I'd love to see a mob of angry
>parents descend on the place, demanding refunds for all the
>little would-be speculators who are taken in by such nonsense.

Gee, where would that be? Couldn't be CC by any chance, could it?
*laughs* THe only problem is that half the speculators *are* 
parents. I saw so many people in FR on Thursday that I have
*never* seen in there before, it was ridiculous. A bunch of
people thinking they are going to college on a issue that's
printed in the millions, and is now in about half a millino
hermitically sealed bags as we speak. What a joke.

Axly
From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 07:45:39 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <BxvJ6K.7tC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>
>Anyione who tells you that Vicki Vale or Talia is the love of Bat's
>life, they obviously have missed something BIG along the way....

Yes, like Julie Madison, Linda Page, Kathy Kane, and most of all Silver
St. Cloud. 

Abhijit
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Planet of the Glenns)
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:23:58 GMT

In article <1ek574INNkkj@pollux.usc.edu> akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>
>I dont remember any story in which Selina put Silver in the hospital. There
>was a story in which she put Vicki Vale in the hospital, "Never Scratch a
>Cat", which is indeed an excellent story. Its my second favorite story
>Catwoman story, the first being the Alan Brennert written story about the
>Batman of Earth-2's courtship of Catwoman-2, in "The Autobiography of
>Bruce Wayne". 

Oops, you're right, it was Vicki.  I just reread this one, 'cuz it was
in the Greatest Bat-stories, vol. 2.  I'd forgotten how good some of
that Newton-Alcala stuff was, really nice, even made miss the
slit-skirt costume a bit.  Beautiful Raymond-type splash with Selina
and her panther.  Yeah, the Brennert story is definitely a classic,
good stuff Maynard.  No way I could pick my favorite Catwoman story, I
love 'em all (well most of them, at any rate), but these two would
both be at the top.  Some of the earliest stories are really good as
well, IMHO.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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"We now return you to your regularly scheduled episode of "The Brave
   & the Bold"
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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:18:54 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Silverfox not dead? Hey, you got me there...

Still, I think that for SHIELD to 1) Hide her
                                  2) Don't tell Wolvie
 is fairly stupid and nonsense; also, it would make Wolverine #65 almost
worthless and contribute to Marvel's Ever Revolving Door of Death.

Then again, Larry Hama or not, it IS Marvel.

Daniel Roy
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From: crow@camelot.bradley.edu (Nicole Lenard)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:41:59 GMT

>	According to Neil on GEnie, DC asked if they could use Death in the
>"Death" of Superman storyline. 

>Neil: "Is he really dead and not coming back?"
>DC: "Uh, well, gee. Umm."
>Neil: "Then Death wouldn't be there for him."

Death _did_ show up for Lobo, though.....hmmmm...
--
"But soft!  What rock through yonder window breaks?
It is a brick!  And Juliet is out cold..."
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From: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Subject: Re: -I KNOW WHERE GOTHAM CITY IS--
Reply-To: sbourgeo@pinocchio.Berkeley.EDU (Stephen Bourgeois)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:52:47 GMT

In article <BxnH2L.C8q@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, debg@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(ginsberg deborah) writes:
> I wish I could remember which issue, but there was one Batman issue
> where they did a progressive close up onto Gothem, starting w/ a planet
> view and working down over several panels.  It looked like the final panel
> focused around the area of Providence RI (which looks like Gothem in the
> movies.  And you can be reasonably assured there will always be clouds
> around to use the Batsignal.)
> 
> Debbie 
> 
> 


I live right near Providence and I don't think it looks like Gotham City
that much.  It does have it's share of crooked officials though!  8^)....


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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: REPOST:DC: The Five Faces of John Constantine, Part One
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:39:37 GMT

Excellent article!  Thanks for reposting it, I definitely didn't see it the
first time.

One comment, if you get around to re-working this, I think that Neil Gaiman's
version (largely from BoM, but also Sandman) should be included as a "sixth 
face".  Interesting point: Delano and Gaiman both use Tarot imagery for JC,
but different cards; Delano has JC as The Hanged Man, Gaiman as The Fool.

Alexx

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