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From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady)
Subject: Re: Psychology (not unlike Re: NLP and what the .... etc.  
Followup-To: sci.psychology
Summary: The proponent/skeptic approaches produces science that goes nowhere.  
Keywords: science sense nonsense sixth-sense psychology astronomy
Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:58:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.032050.4475@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM 
                      (Jon Krueger) writes:
>> if psychology is worth anything, psychologists should be saying to
>> B&G "Very nice observation! Ingenious apparatus!  Can you try this
>> here? My bet is it won't work in this case, and for a beer,
>> I will tell you why I think it never will!"
>            ...   
>The theoretician/experimentalist analogy misses important differences.
>I suggest that proponent/skeptic models the facts better.  The burden
>of proof does not rest on the skeptic.

The theoretician/experimentalist approach is successful in extending the
frontiers of knowledge.  The "Until you have rigorous proof, we're not
even willing to discuss your hypothesis, much less investigate it"
approach produces science that doesn't go anywhere.  This is the
approach you get in science if your main concern is never making mistakes.  

Although avoiding mistakes is certainly an important consideration,
major breakthroughs are more likely to be produced by scientists who
are willing to take risks.  By those who welcome new ideas and are
excited by the challenge of finding ways to test them.

A scientist like this would say, "Gee, a procedure for curing phobias and
neutralizing traumatic experiences that only takes 15 minutes?  Sounds
implausible but it might be fun to test it out.  Some people are claiming
that it takes specialized training to make it work, but just for fun
let's take the instructions and scout up a few people with phobias and
some rape victims and see what happens.  If we don't get any cures then
we can just forget the whole thing, but if there seems to be something to
it then we can do a more formal investigation."    


The proponent/skeptic model sees science as like a debate or court case,
in which the important thing is to get victory for one's side.  This is
really successful at producing flame wars.  A skeptic posts an article,
for instance, asserting that academic psychology is totally worthless,
useless and not a real science.  His article makes it quite clear that
he doesn't have the slightest idea what psychology is and has never had
a course in it or read a text.  But he can say "The burden of the proof
is on you to show that academic psychology is worthwhile.  Why should I
waste my time and money on reading books and taking courses in
something that's probably worthless?"  This sort of argument can go on
fruitlessly until one of the parties becomes exhausted.

--
It is a poor sort of skepticism which merely delights in challenging
those claims which conflict with one's own belief system.  
                                                          --Bogus quote 
lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu         lady@uhunix.bitnet
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mccla_d@aethelbehrt.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: 1
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:55:56 GMT

jhartley@cmsa.gmr.com says:

> It's the lonliest number. Affective disorder, apparently.

Then what about "123456789"? Looks like a symptom of multiple integer disorder.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM:  Working Techniques?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:05:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.075732.27337@koko.csustan.edu>
jpetros@koko.csustan.edu (James D. ( Jim ) Petros) writes:

   In article <1992Oct6.114709.10136@bsu-ucs.uucp>
   00mddwyer@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
   >Hypnotism has always been scrutinised by critics, and it doesn't work on
   >most people very well.  From what I understand it involves mainly putting
   >someone into a very relaxed, highly suggestabe state...
   >Is there anyone here that could post different methods of hypnosis, the
   >techniques to do them, and how well they work?
   >Thanks a lot.
   >

   Have you considered checking the library at Ball State?

In particular, try "Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy" by Fromm (Erika) and
Brown (I forget his first name).  They divide the general categories
into three:

1) Directive, characterized by direct suggestion and authoritarian
inductions.

2) Permissive, characterized by indirect suggestion and permissive
inductions.

3) Ericksonian, characterized by use of metaphor, hypnotic language
patterns, and covert use of hypnotic language, with or without a
formal induction.

Efficacy?  Hah!  I refuse to step on that particular land mine.  Fromm
and Brown give some references and a summary of what percentages of
the population can manifest different "levels of trance".  For the
record, Erickson thinks such scales are much too limited, and that
anyone can manifest hypnotic trance in a manner consistent with his or
her individual personality.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
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From: Shiv Kaul
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,bit.listserv.psycgrad
Subject: Lithium & Manic Depression
Summary: Alternative treatments to Lithium?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:17:13 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium
Organisation: University College London


To any clinicals with knowledge of bipolar manic depression:

What treatments are available for a patient who has been on lithium
for the above disorder for 30 years and has derived little or no benefit?
--
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From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Psychology careers
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:47:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Thus spake <REGHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>: 

>What type of careers are there for psychology  majors with a B.A. degree?

	Dish Washer?

	Seriously, very few openings exist which specify a BA in psych
(versus just a requirement for =any= degree). A few ideas:

	Group home counselor.
	Juvenile detention center staff member.
	Staff member in a shelter.
	Psychiatric aide.
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From: jeffs@lsil.com (Jeff Spiegel 4291)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM:  Working Techniques?
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:41:39 GMT
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
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00mddwyer@bsu-ucs.uucp wrote:
> Hypnotism has always been scrutinised by critics, and it doesn't work on
> most people very well.  From what I understand it involves mainly putting
> someone into a very relaxed, highly suggestabe state...
> Is there anyone here that could post different methods of hypnosis, the
> techniques to do them, and how well they work?
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Mike Dwyer, Ball State University  (Muncie Indiana)

The key to achieving the hypnotic experience is trust.  I never experienced
hypnosis until I started practicing it alone.  I found that I could really
let myself go and believe what I was hearing if I created my own hypnotic
scripts and recorded them on tape.  The experiment worked and I discovered
a new dimension to my mind.

For a source of good hypnosis scripts, I recommend Roger Straus's, "Strategic
Hypnosis."  This concise book is one of the most organized, thorough, and
accurate books on the subject.  Finally the scripts actually provide techniques
for inducing the hypnotic frame of mind in future sessions faster. 

The basic steps to hypnosis are to:

1. Find a quiet place to relax in a sitting or reclining position, but not
   flat on the back.

2. Begin playing a tape that has the following suggestion categories:
   a) let your body relax completely
   b) let your worries and extraneous thoughts leave with every breath
   c) count backwards to make yourself go deeper into hypnosis
   d) let your body find itself in peaceful environments in your imagination
   e) provide suggestions for improving your life
   f) experience visions and other aspects of your imagination
   g) prepare for coming out of hypnosis by replaying everything that you
      have learned.
   h) count up and open eyes

3. One can develop scripts with post hypnotic suggestions as well.  These
   suggestions must be reinforced and practiced to work.

The hypnotic experience is real and quite amazing.  I would compare it to
the experience of being in a lucid dream except that one still has full
capability of suggesting the movement of the body.

--
		-- Jeff Spiegel		jspiegel@lsil.com	408-433-4291
From: ddavidso@metz.une.edu.au (Dean Davidson)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Childrens Tests
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:39:10 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia


One of our post-graduate researchers ask me to post this.
Please email replies to:
sbolden@metz.une.edu.au
as he does not have access to news.
Thanks,
Dean Davidson

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am currently undertaking post-graduate research into the neuropsychological
consequences of sleep-related breathing disorders (e.g OSA) in children. I
am looking for a computer-based test(s) (possibly similar to the Continuous
Perfomance Test - CPT) which will provide an objective measure of memory and
attentional deficits in children aged between 5 and 10 y.o.a.  These could
involve motor tasks with visual and/or auditory processing and consider errors
of omission and/o commission.  I am aware of a program in the USA (T.O.V.A.)
but this requires data processing, via modem, by the companies computer - a
major handicap for overseas researchers.  Any suggestions and/or information
would be most appreciated.
Regards, 
Stan Bolden.

sbolden@metz.une.edu.au

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From: Tadd.Larsen@psycho.fidonet.org (Tadd Larsen)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Pschizoid Personalities
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:09:00 EDT
Organization: Psycho: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway of St. Pete Florida

Everybody,

                I was wondering if anyone would happen to have any information on, or know where I could get some information on paranoid pschizophrenia.  A family member of mine has been diagnosed as having this and I would like to learn something about it.
                                Thanx,
        
                                        Tadd Larsen



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From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Subject: Re: HYPNOTISM:  Working Techniques?
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.114709.10136@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00mddwyer@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>Hypnotism has always been scrutinised by critics, and it doesn't work on
>most people very well.  From what I understand it involves mainly putting
>someone into a very relaxed, highly suggestabe state...
>Is there anyone here that could post different methods of hypnosis, the
>techniques to do them, and how well they work?
>Thanks a lot.

	I have been practicing self-hypnotism for about 1 year now and
	I realized, from reading bandler/grinder book "Tranceformations"
	which was based on modeling Milton Erickson, that hypnosis is
	simply an altered state.  What you do when a person is in an
	altered state is secondary, first you must get them there.
	We go into "altered states" constantly.  Mirroring is a form
	of hypnosis, leading is a result of hypnosis.

	A good way to alter a persons state is through the use of pattern
	interrupts either consciously or unconsciously to the person.
	A conscious interrupt is like saying something that doesn't follow
	the conversation.  Ex:  "Hello, how am I?"  They don't expect you
	to say "...how am I?"  most people expect "...how are you?"
	
	An unconscious interrupt can be done within a process such as
	handshaking.  Many people turn processes into things.  A handshake
	is not a thing, it is a process.  And many people automate the
	process and turn it into a thing, in other words they commit it
	to their unconscious.  You don't think about all the steps, nerve
	impulses, blood flow, etc.. to shake someones hand.  You just
	extend your open hand, grab, shake x amount of times, release,
	pull your arm back.  And this is all done in a couple of seconds
	so most people don't consciously think about all the steps.
	If you want to interrupt this pattern or process, do something 
	in between extending and pulling your arm back. 
	Ex:  Shake for an extended period of time, rub your eye while
	shaking, say something, when releasing do it slowly and non
	deliberatly, etc..  
	If you do something in the middle of this "thing" their minds will
	signal that something is wrong (ie: the process has been modified
	or interrupted).  If you can do this slyly the person may not know
	what happened exactly, they only know that "something" happened.	

	Kawika 
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: kingston@verbis.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: re: caesar in Montana
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 12 OCT 92 15:15:12 CDT

sorry, I can't send you a personalized message as your address is incorrect.
I would like to "chat" with you on the subject of romantic jealousy.  Please
look into your address. hope to talk to you sometime in the future.
From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams)
Subject: Re: Political psychology
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:00:51 GMT

Thus spake ffhoust@eos.ncsu.edu (FORREST FRANCI HOUSTON): 

>In article <1992Oct12.022236.17928@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Christina.Ryan@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Christina Ryan) writes:
>|> 
>|> --
>|>    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>|>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>|>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>|>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
>
>This leaves a lot of room open for interpretation :-)
>
>Sorry it's late and I've been here too long

	Actually, I thought it was a perfect example of a modern political
statement: It said absolutely nothing; it occupied bandwidth; and it
disclaimed all responsibility for its content!

	Gad! George Bush couldn't have said it better!

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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: hln@daimi.aau.dk (Henrik Lykke Nielsen)
Subject: Personality Descriptions - Cattells Personality Factors
Summary: Values needed...
Keywords: Personality, Cattell, Personality Factors
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:21:33 GMT

Personality Descriptions.

I'm trying to make a model of personalities, their resulting actions
etc for use in an AI decision-system.

A while ago I posted a request for references to formal descriptions 
of personalities. I thank you very much for the pointers and ideas I
got then. I've meanwhile been trying to get an overview of the relevant theories. And in doing so I've got the impression that factor-analysis as presented by eg Cattell might be just what I needed. There has been other works along the same lines but it seems to me that Cattels is the 
most generally accepted.

I've been able to locate several books on the theory (even though some
of these might be a little too advanced for my purposes) but so far I 
havn't got my hands on more than a few examples of specific action- 
factor-relationships, descriptions of "personality-types" and so on.

So what I'm looking for is (quantitative) descriptions of personalities in the form of relationships, trait-values and all other kinds of
constants and typical values for different contexts (persons, actions,
states) primarily in the domain of Cattels 16 PFs (but also other 
theories have interest).

If you have or can point me to data on the net (accessible by ftp, 
e-mail or otherwise) that would of course be ideal. But also pointers 
to papers, periodicals and books are wanted as I may be able to get my 
hands on some of these.


If you post a reply please send me an e-mail too.

thanks

-henrik


E-mail: hln.daimi.aau.dk


Disclaimer: I'm studying computer science and NOT psychology. So 
            please bear over with me for my lacking knowledge of
            psychology.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Psychology (not unlike whatever we were talking about)
Keywords: NLP   NeuroLinguistic Programming
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:51:25 GMT

Lee Lady writes:
> academics in certain areas of clinical psychology do have
> an obligation to study some of the claims made by NLP
> [because people treating folks with anxiety may be
> putting them] through unwarranted expense and agony by being
> unwilling to try a few extremely simple NLP techniques.

OK.  I'll buy that.  Once again we find we agree on more than we
disagree.

Of course, the argument applies even better to proponents.  They're
the ones most convinced that expense and agony could be reduced.

> Your proponent-skeptic model makes a lot of sense in a situation
> where there is competition for scientific credit [and careers,
> credentials, and funding]

It makes even more sense in a situation where there are a lot of
claims and little relevant and/or compelling data.  Careers and credit
are great but I'm interested in the benefits for the rest of us.

> In the case of NLP, though, conventional clinical psychology is
> cutting off its nose to spite its face in taking the skeptical
> position, in saying "They're your claims, it's up to you to prove
> them."

Actually, I wasn't speaking for it.  Don't attribute my reactions to
it.  I don't even know what its reaction is.  I can guess, though.  My
guess is it's not nearly as nice as skepticism.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: f84@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Stimulus Presentation Software (?)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:08:03 EDT
Distribution: sci
Organization: Cornell University

	I'm putting together stumulus materials for a visual discrimination
study.  Due to the number of images (and the current state of computer
technology) I'm hoping to use Macintosh computers to control presentations
and record data.
	If you know of any software already available for controlled 
presentation of visual stimuli, I would appreciate the info.  
	You could either post here or (preferably) e-mail me directly
at the address below.
						Thanks,
							James M. Beale
							Psychology Dept.
							Cornell Univ.
			e-mail:  F84@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: lgeller@igc.apc.org (Larry Geller)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Coma Workshop - Victoria, B.C.
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:45:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1468800004:000:871
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgeller    Oct 11 21:45:00 1992


What:  Coma Workshop - Relating to People in Remote States

When:  Saturday, November 14, 1992

Where: Victoria, B.C., Canada

Info:  Stan Tomandl (604) 595-2723
   or  Judith Tomandl (604) 370-2584

Cost:  $65 ($40 for students)
       Fee includes the newly published manual: Coma Work and
       Palliative Care

From the Brochure:

Coma and remote states call for a special style of relationship.  
We teach communication techniques that aid clients and loved ones 
to become more aware and more responsive.

You can apply these verbal and nonverbal techniques to: patients 
in coma and states of confusion and disorientation, head injury 
survivors, stroke survivors, people in shock, drug overdose 
victims, the mentally challenged, those with autism or catatonia, 
those not verbally responsive, and individuals afflicted by 
Alzheimer's dementia or aphasia.
From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Lack of confidence
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:42:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: depsych.ycXosB3w165w

feizal@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu writes:

> Hi
> 
> I am not sure whether guys would appreciate this mail.
> 
> I think I am suffering from a serious lack of confidence and
> I panic a lot. I become extremely nervous and feel uneasy
> at public gatherings. I get extremely frustrated if I am ridiculed
> for a silly mistake and become depressed and condemn myself for
> making that mistake.
> 
> I have tried analysing my problem and figured that a very
> strict and overprotective upbringing could be a factor.
> An upbringing were bad grades are not tolerated and
> one is rebuked for minor mistakes. But at the same time 
> indulging in over-pampering.
> 
> BTW, I am doing fine both at school and at work.
> 
> 
> I guess a lot of you guys must be GURUS of psychology
> and could throw some light on my problem. I would appreciate
> to you would reply to my query at:

Did the other kids pick on you in elementary or middle school? How
seriously?  Did they beat you up?  What friends did you have? Were
you popular in high school?  How is your current social life?

--
Richard Carlson
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From: cdk@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: 1
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:05:35 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

123456789
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: rpoldrac@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Russ Poldrack)
Subject: Re: Subliminal messages in advertising
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:16:34 GMT

patel@cimage.com (Ritesh Patel) writes:
>I am looking for information on articales or notes dealing with subliminal
>messages in advertising.
>-- 
See this article:

Vokey, J.R. & Read, J.D (1985) Subliminal messages: Between the devil
and the media.  _American Psychologist_, 11, 1231-1239.

It provides both reasoned examination and empirical tests of some
claims for subliminal influences.  

Russ 
rpoldrac@psych.uiuc.edu