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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Physics 101
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:53:40 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec17.040939.7878@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary S
trand) writes:
>rs> Rick Schaut
>
>rs> If the ball goes backward out of the QB's hand, then that hand must have
>    been going backward when the QB lost control of the football.  This isn't
>    rocket science, folks.
>
>  Have you considered the possibility that the ball was momentarily out of
>  Aikman's hand, as the result of his passing it, and that it and his arm hit
>  the defender at about the same time, driving both arm and ball backwards,
>  but in insufficiently divergent paths so that it looks like Aikman is bring-
>  ing the ball back after a pump fake, the ball never having left his hand?
>
>  In any case, since we don't have a reverse angle shot, and I suspect that
>  instant reply would have deferred to the call on the field because what we
>  were able to see was inconclusive, all this debate is rather pointless.

REFS said FUMBLE, SKINS said FUMBLE, AIKMAN said FUMBLE and most importantly
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN SAYS FUMBLE  it was a fucking fumble, the skins won,
deal with it, fuck the reverse angle, fuck the momentarily out of hand theory,
fuck the CIA, Russia, Cuba, Oswald fumble conspiracy (after all with Dallas
and Washington in the game).  IT WAS A FUMBLE.  the game is over, DEAL WITH IT


>
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>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
>
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Refs deserve scrutiny too!  was Re: Jimmy Johnson
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In article <1992Dec17.204833.14825@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> Alan
Martin, alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu writes:
>I kind of agree;  Johnson doesn't whine just because his team loses.  He
does,
>however, make a *lot* of noise over situations like this.  For my money,
I
>think he should have kept his comments to the press to the tune of "We
>shouldn't have put ourselves in the position to be beaten by an
unfortunate
>call" (which is the real point anyway), and then bitched to the league in
>private.  But, like I said, he's not really any worse than most coaches.

I have no problems with most of this, except that Johnson should have
kept his comments restricted to the play of the Cowboys. 

	As far as I am concerned refs deserve the same amount of scrutiny as the
players and coaches.  Refs in all sports have somehow separated
themselves from the rest of the sport and are not considered accountable
to the fans (as well as the players and coaches). 

	If the press can hammer away at guys for blowing a big game, why can't
they hammer a ref for doing the same?(I am not referring to any
particular blown call or game) and by the same token, a coach can express
dissatisfaction with the play of his team, why can't he complain about
the refs?

FRANK

__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
please restrict flames to pertinent arguments, not anti-Cowboy,
pro-Anything else woofing, this wastes bandwidth and everyone's time!  
Thanx
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:30:10 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rob Riddick where is he today
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec15.131000.24424@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rweisbe@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil writes...
> 
>   I was wondering what ever happen to Rob Riddick who played
>for the Bills sometime in the late 80's.  Is he still playing
>today?  Was he injured and never returned?  Did he get picked
>up as a plan B player who never made it in another system? 
>Anyone know?

His knee was blown out in a preseason game in 1989 I believe. He
subsequently retired.

If my memory serves me right, I seem to remember the Buffalo News
doing a story about him about a year ago.  He's still living in
this area and has squandered most of the money he made on football.

I think when the did the story he was in dire straights with creditors.

Can anyone confirm this?


Doug


                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
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From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Subject: Re: Packer Running Backs
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:48:50 CST

In article 26132@asl.dl.nec.com, nix@ssdss5.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>Do any Packer fans know anything about the Vince Workman situation?  I
>understand that the Packer coaches have a dilemma concerning IR moves.
>Has the Green Bay front office given any indication about their intentions?
>
>Thompson had a rough day at Houston, but Houston has a good defense.  Are
>the coaches concerned enough about the Houston showing to bring back 
>Workman, or are they sloughing it off due to the strength of Houston's
>defense?
>
>Nix

As I understand it, the Packers have one more free move from IR to the active roster.
The problem is they have two guys they want to move back: Vince Workman and Rich 
Moran.  Due to the recent loss of Tootie Robbins, speculation has it that they will
bring back Moran.  If that is the case, the only way to bring back Workman would be
to expose him to waivers first.  I don't think the Packers will chance that with 
either player.

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:00:12 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: mcs@cray.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Warren Moon
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:02:24 GMT

Anyone know if Moon will play this week against Cleveland?

mike
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: STEELER REPORT
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 DEC 92 22:23:37 GMT

In a previous article, Cem Akin <ca0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>Don't mean to nit-pick but the best Brister has ever done for the
>Steelers was win a wild-card game against the OIlers in 1989.

I'm not a big Bubby fan, but he did alright in the following game against
the Broncos. Granted, that was also Merrill Hoge's best game, but in a 
late drive Brister hit Strock (?) right on the numbers (a crucial conversion
play) and it was dropped. Let's hope BB keeps his composure in Chicago.

-		
Bart "Webb" Tilney	
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
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From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:14:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


ONe of the main reasons that the 49ers win much of the time is the
smae thing that is happening to baseball - money.  The owner of the
49ers, DeBartolo (from my hometown, Youngstown, OH) has put so much
money into the team, and pampers them so much that they have no
excuse not to win.  While many teams with owners who don't think
that a private plane for every game is a necessity, DeBartolo won't
havae his players travel in anything less than complete comfort.
As if million dollar salaries weren't enough...  Although I hate
them as a team, you have to respect the Steelers, who have the lowest
budget in football.  I just feel sorry for them when Foster's contract
comes up - right now he is making $113,000 a year; Jim Harbaugh makes
more than that in two weeks.  Bench warming linemen make more than
that.  There will never again even be close to parity in the NFL, and
we are all to blame.
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From: vrao@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vinay Rao)
Subject: Re: all SB winner
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:09:12 GMT

In article <BzBAAH.IIw@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>In regard to the SuperBowl winners who won the first time
>and then did not lose after that.
>

Didn't Washington win Superbowl 17 against Miami and then lose to the
Raiders in Superbowl 18?  This may be an exception to a still interesting
statistic.


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:16:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.052217.10575@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Wow...  a man who will do everything possible to argue a point such as
>"not outright correct/incorrect all" for monthes on end to complain about the
>"class" of someone is really funny.  
Of course it's funny. I am not a professional coach. I don't have to worry
about class when I am in flame war with a classless Meek person, especially
this Meek person outright lied about what he said, do I?

Isn't it a waste?

>Nope, maybe Gibbs doesn't have to complain about calls.  But, every coach,
>as with every person, has their own methods of working.  Many of the more well
>known coaches in sports have complained about calls and such.  Mike Ditka
>would be a perfect example.  Jerry Glanville is another.  Same with 
>Bum, Sam Wyche, etc...  
Yep, every coach has his own method of working. Some are high-end tactics
and some are low-end. That's why the media doesn't criticize Gibbs' way and
has a field day on Ditka's way. JJ feels that whining works? fine. We then
are also entitled to take shots on his whinings. 

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From: hans2@rpi.edu (Soo-Chul Han)
Subject: 79 Cowboy-Skins Game
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:30:51 GMT


>Like the final game of the '79 season...  'Skins up by 13 (a dangerous
>number when _oger _taubach was in the game!) and driving for the icing in
>the 4th quarter.  Riggins fumbles on the 30.  RS brings 'em back.  But wait
>Joe Theismann gets the 'Skins into Mosley's range with 3 seconds left!
>He calls timeout! 2... 1... THE REF DOESN'T SEE HIM (even though he's
>standing right in front of him.)  If the Redskins win, they win the
>division, if they lose, they don't even get a wildcard!  Time expires
>and Mosley never gets to try.
>
>Wow!  Talk about having to get something off one's chest...
>Hey does anybody know what really happend in that game?  I'm sure that
>the 'Skins had a timeout left.  Is anybody old enough to remember it?
>(I think that it was George Allen's last season with the 'Skins...)

I remember this game vividly. As a Skins fan, this day in December of 
1979 was one of the most disappointing/frustrating/anguishing days of my
life.

As I remember, the Skins took a 34-21 lead midway through the 4th quarter
when Riggo ran 60+ yards for a touchdown. The Skins even got the ball back,
and had it at around midfield, when some guy (NOT Riggins) fumbled it away
with about 5:00 left. That's when Jack Pardee (Allen was gone after 77)
went to the dreaded PREVENT. The Cowboys scored a quick TD, held the Skins
when Riggins was tackled behind the line by some no-name guy one 3rd and 1,
got the ball back, and scored another one with 20 seconds left when
Staubach hit Tony Hill.

The Skins did get the ball back, and drove the ball to Dallas territory and
tried to call time-out so that Mosely could attempt a 60+ yard field goal.
But the refs ignored Theismann when he attempted to call a TO!
The way Mosely was kicking those days, who knows...

The Cowboys finished at 11-5 to win the East, and the Skins finished at
10-6 but were knocked out because Chicago beat the Cardinals 42-6 earlier
in the day to nose out the Skins on point differential for wildcard.

That game was the beginning of the end of Jack Pardee's short stint as 
Skins coach. They finished 6-10 the next year (with Riggins sitting out),
Pardee was fired, and in came Gibbs :).
The Skins did not get their revenge until the 1982 championship game when
they defeated the Cowboys.
From: jacklord@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Albert Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles win in OT
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:18:01 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

Wow . .  . did anyone see how the Eagles toyed with the Seahawks tonight?


Seriously though, what the hell happened?  Being stuck in Balt, I had
to watch the Redskins-Cowboys game and I only saw the end result of the
Eagles game from ESPN.  How did Randall look?  I know Seattle has a good D,
but I wasn't really expecting such a battle.  If anyone saw it, please
update.

-- 
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From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:25:56 GMT

Rumor has it that Joe Gibbs was seen at Tysons Galleria.  Coach Joe was
sitting on Santa's lap begging for an offense.

I hope he gets his wish, too.  There is NOTHING I'd rather see than a
STRONG, STRONG Redskin team get beaten by the 'Boys in the NFC Championship
game.
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From: menchett@pyramid.unr.edu (Peter J Menchetti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rosters
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:32:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

I'm trying to find a complete roster for all the 92 NFL teams. Anyone help?

reply to <menchett@cs.unr.edu>
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why do the 49ers get to play by different rules???!!!
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:58:36 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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I don't blame you.  I'm a big Niner fan and even I scratched my head
at some of the calls they were making out there.  The Terry Allen
personal foul was amazing, but not significant anyway since he was
still short of the first on the spot.

The niners have been burned on bad calls too, but not this game.
This season does seem to be a 'make-up' year for refs calls. I
am a classic Niner fan in that I believe the refs are part of the
'parity' formula.  I can't count the number of times I've screamed
at my set.

The other telling stat that I've noticed is how few holding calls
the Niners O line have gotten called for this year.  That was always
good for a crucial drive killer late in the 4th quarter.

I still advocate instant replay which wouldn't have helped you
today, and hiring professional refs, which would have.

Good luck in the playoffs.

Mike
From: reille85@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:58:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Over the years, the Eagles have always seemed to win the big games that you
thought they were going to lose...on the other hand, they've always lost the
big games you thought they were going to win...
From the response on this newsgroup, I'll assume we all think the Eagles are
going to lose...So guess what 'Skins fans...
				Eagles 31
				Redskins 16

E - A - G - L - E - S !!!
Super Bowl Bound
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Keywords: nowworshipmoranow
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:39:09 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Dec16.184921.5565@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>No, one among many, but, alas, I'm talking in pluralities and losing
>you.  Zimmers, I mentioned that game because you OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT 
>been watching any Saints games other than the two they played vs SF.  

He probably doesn't WANT to watch any Aints game since they are
soooo boring.  All that defense and little offense (until lately)
makes for a real yawner.

The Saints will go no where in the playoffs this year, just like in
years past.

Ken
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Whiners, NOT the NINERS
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:27:23 GMT
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In article <1992Dec14.051008.25870@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:

[well it was a good posting]

 >A delineation is made out there on the football field
 >that separates the wanna be's and the contenders.
 >The 'Boys fans would have been flooding the net waves
 >IF they would have won. Well, IN YOUR FACE! They lost 
 >to a lousy, pathetic team/QB. Well, I have news for
 >you, the NINERs are leagues in the opposite of lousy
 >and pathetic. Get a clue. 
 >-- 
 > ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 
Geeez !
Some people have no class even when they win, get a grip John.

Go Cowboys !!!
tim


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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: BIlls are READY
Organization: CRAY Research
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:44:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.044919.25304@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:
>What do you expect from the crying Jills? They have no
>idea what it is like to win a SB. They are in a fantasy
>trip, must be the those mushrooms. I kind of hope they
>do make it to the SB. The result would be a NFC
>blowout! Whether it be the Niners, Saints or Cowboys,
>the stinking Jills would be humilated on national
>T.V., in front of MILLIONS of views world-wide.
>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>	"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
>  is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain

and that 34-31 still eats at him to this day...

mike
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