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From: R
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's Drummer)
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Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:05:00 GMT

In article <1hb96jINNaoi@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>, jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes...
>pertinax@raley.Gwinnett.COM (Pertinax) writes:
> 
>>I've read some of the earlier posts about the apocryphal LSD "vegetable" and
>>was wondering about the case I always hear about:  the drummer from Pink 
>>Floyd.  I don't know his name, or much about him- but the rumors I've heard
>>for years claim that he took to much LSD, and now lives with his mother and
>>can't remember being in the band. 
> 
> 
>Perhaps you are talking about Syd Barrett, who was an original member
>of Pink Floyd, but was not their drummer. He did have psychiatric
>problems, but I know of no connection to LSD. I would assume he
>remembers being in the band. He came out with some obscure (and in my
>opinion not so good) solo albums several years after he left PF.
> 

Adding grist to the rumor mill, I have heard from various sources that 
Syd is indeed an acid casualty, and having recently acquired the cd 
" Barrett ", Capitol, 1990, I have to say that I firmly believe it to be
true. You just have to listen to the cd closely to confirm it. It's so
completely nonsensical. The lyrics are obviously the product of a VERY
permamently psychodelicized individual. Furthermore, it sounds just like
the products PF put out while he was a member. I am mildly amused to find that 
David Gilmour (who replaced Syd as guitarist/vocalist) and Nick Wright co-
produced and played on this cd. I can only surmise that the guys still keep in 
touch with Syd, for whatever reason, so he's obviously not a complete basket-
case. However that may be, one good listen to this cd is all it takes to
realize that old Syd is not really ever going to recover. 
I just had to put it on since I was thinking about it.

Please, please, baby lemonade.









Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 23 Dec 1992 06:30:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

I didn't see "tc" say anything about smoking crack; perhaps he's a priest
worried about the neighborhood kids?  A doctor doing research?  We have no
evidence that "tc" has ever even seen crack...although "tc" does have the
lingo down...

In article <1h90g8INNdts@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
>
>Just a reminder (I'm sure you all know this anyway):  When you post
>"I smoke crack" here, you are etching a permanant and public record.
>
[some stuff deleted: original post:]
>>Hey man....
>>just wondering how bad crack is for your lungs.  I know that sometimes thos
>>screens people seem to favor in the city are pretty bad... and they
>>oxidize, adding to the malodorous flavor...   But how bout at a bottom
>>line?  Is it way way way way worse than cigarettes, and how bout pot
>>while we're at it?  Also, crack through an aluminum pipe, will that
>>have some particles oxidize and burn me up inside?
>>Figure smoking a nickel to a twenty a week of highly bastardized shit rocks...
>>so no I don't freebase 90% coke anymore, adding to the uncertainty... 
>>but I just need a ballpark figure.
>>Thanks all you MD hacker smokers out there!
>>
>>
>>Oh try me out I love you sweet leaf
>>
>>-tc
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: MPTP (was Re: MDMA and self-esteem)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:31:54 GMT

bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott) writes:
>What reason do we have to think that MPTP doesn't have opiate-like effects?
>I don't know, but perhaps that would explain why some users ended up with
>parkinson's while others didn't (those who did get the syndrome injected
>multiple times).  Another explanation would be dosage differences, of course.
>
>And wasn't MPTP a contaminent in meperidine/pethidine itself?

MPTP is produced by a synthetic error in making MPPP, which is an opiate
whose chemical formula I don't seem to have on hand.  From what I read on
it, it sounded like there were large quantities of MPTP in the batches
consumed and that it wasn't just a "contaminant".  The implication seemed
to be that the users thought it was a new kind of opiate.  However, I
didn't track this back to the original articles...
 
-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Acid in Holland
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 01:46:40 GMT
Organization: Scarla Development
Reply-To: darinf@scarla.UUCP


 > 
 > Bitter taste?  LSD has no taste.
 > 
 
What do you mean LSD has no taste.  Have you every dropped liqued dose
straight from the chemist?

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Followup-To: misc.misc
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:32:59 GMT

bill nelson (billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com) wrote:
: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
: : The man was _legally_ declared as having died from the effects of the LSD
: : in a Coroner's court, by a consultant toxicologist from what many consider
: : to be the best teaching hospital in the UK if not the world.
: 
: Well, it is hard to argue, without having seen the report. Would it be
: possible to obtain it?

  Don't bother.  I'm sick at home today, so I'll write a letter to the 
addresses Mr. Sweeney gave, and I'll see what if any response I get.

  Let's please keep in mind that there is a difference between 
a) a toxicologist declaring that a man died of the effects of LSD;
b) a Coroner's court declaring that a toxicologist declared that a man 
   died of the effects of LSD;
c) a newspaper reporting that a Coroner's court declared that a toxicologist
   declared that a man died of the effects of LSD.

  So far we have c); if I get a response, then we may get to a), hopefully
with more details than the newspaper report gave.

  The other point is that (as with the other threads discussing lethal 
doses of LSD and marijuana) there is a substantial difference between death 
"due to" substance X, and a lethal dose of substance X.  If a man drinks a 
beer, gets drunk, falls off a ladder, and dies, there may be grounds for
saying his death was due to the beer.  It does not follow that the lethal dose
for beer is 12 ounces.  Ditto for marijuana and ruptured stomachs, LSD and
suicidal behavior, etc.  We do not yet know which meaning applies to this
case.

Followups set to misc.misc.
  -- Clifton

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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:06:47 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>  
>  Does anyone know who first discovered this fact. [The fact didn't need
>  discovering - it was always there.]
>
>How do you discover something that isn't there?
>
>Terry "Nothing here" Chan
>--
>Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
>Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
>Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe per diem

Haven't you ever heard of vaporware? Or black holes?
-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dart@fugue.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:22:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.195054.1005@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
>: 
>: In a previous article, @symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan) says:
	<OJ article deleted>
>: I don't know if this post is a gag, as the thread was also in a.f.u,
>: but I read "the orange juice story" in book when I was a kid, and 
>: have seen several references to it by various people over the years.
>
>Yep - I first recall seeing it in Reader's Disgust.  Apparently, no one
>has found any documentation of the story. Nothing seems to be available
>on Medline.
>
	Well, he probably had read that then and thought it was a cool idea.
That probably explains it.  Thanks.

						Sean
--
Sometimes you can feel the fish
And then it slips away
Things aren't always what they seem
In North Hawaii
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:32:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
  
  Does anyone know who first discovered this fact. [The fact didn't need
  discovering - it was always there.]

How do you discover something that isn't there?

Terry "Nothing here" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe per diem
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:16:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.201240.173@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:

[Initial stuff deleted for the sake of brevity...]

>: Two small factoids (and no, PvdL, I'm *not* snoping...). LSD is almost
>: inert in a biochemical sense. No-one has ever found a mechanism by which it is
>: directly toxic (according to the toxicology textbooks available to me,
>: anyway). That doesn't really matter, of course, because if you take too much,
>: or too often, then you end up like a cabbage (well, a good impression of a
>: catatonic schizophrenic, actually, but that's close enough).
>
>The latter factoid, as is common for such things, is false. Please point
>us to some medline documentation of these catatonic or vegetative lsd users.
>Previous searches have been unable to uncover any - except in places such as
>Reader's Disgust and similar literature.
>

OK, sad lack of precision here on my part. There are *no* catatonic
schizophrenics any more (in the developed world, anyway), courtesy of the
major tranquilizers used to obviate the symptoms of  schizophrenia.
However, you will find that every inner-city institution will have at least
one LSD-precipitated schizophrenic on its books, along with a few
PCP-precipitated phycoses and so on. The catatonia is relieved by the
chlorpromazine etc. BTW, there is a huge difference between catatonic
schizophrenic and vegetative (maybe not to look at, but in mechanisms and
so on...).

[Lots more deleted for brevity...]

The Wisp. [wht r u tkng tdy...]
From: lerner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Drug dog
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:02:52 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Our school recently decided that we will have a drug dog.  Supposedly,
it can smell just about anything, no matter how much you cover it up.
I seriously doubt this.  I have heard that coffee will hide the smell,
and I am wondering if this is true.  Also, what else will hide things
from the dog?

By the way, did you know that killing a drug dog is punnishable in the
same way as killing a police officer (I mean it has the same
penalties, but my editor screws up if I back up too much )?
From: mcoffin@reed.edu (Miguel De Laguna)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:56:17 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <j1moody-281292163022@hesmac12.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Joe Moody) writes:
>In a country where instant gratification is such a high demand, 
>why has the national pass time of other countries--the smoking of
>opium--not
>become popular here?

Seems to me that the smoking of opium is not not nearly as instantly
gratifying as the American public demands.  In these days of 24-7
convenience and ATMs, the obvious instant gratification drugs are cocaine
(either in your arm, or in your pipe) and heroine (in your arm).  Yes,
needle drugs are at the top of the instant gratification scale, smoke is too
slow...

	_Miguel_
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: LSD
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:26:33 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University
Keywords: LSD

In article <1hudadINN8gq@shelley.u.washington.edu> lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>
>I don't know if LSD is an acid or not, but because it forms a salt with
>tartric or maelic acid, I doubt any acidity could be very high...

    LSD is a derivative of a carboxylic acid; it is not acidic itself.  Its
two amine functions, which are basic, allow it to form salts with acids.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Drug Testing/Types of LSD
Date: 24 Dec 92 01:11:28 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Dec23.071724.15487@u.washington.edu>, lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
> camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) writes:
>>yes, different kinds of blotter mean different kinds of acid. here in
>>the northeast, there is a great variety of the kinds of acid one can
>>get. (a FOAF tells me). the kind of blotter usually indivates the
>>strength and the "cleanness" of the acid.
>>for example, any kind of lotus is good, but diiferent color lotus acid
>>means different strengths. also blue shield is another i frequently
>>hear is nice.
> 
> However, the first batch of blue sperm that way layed (laid?) was 
> uneven and not very strong.  The rest of them were much more consistant.
> The paper its printed on is a clue if someone else has had identical
> paper, but its not a guarantee.

Lamont, I really wish you had posted that a month or two ago:
a large quantity of blue sperm were dumped in Australia 
recently, at quite a cheap price (@A$15 or less) and FOAFs
got a little burned with them. These people would certainly
appreciate posts of the nature "Don't buy the blue sperms,
they are generally weak, and inconsistant" etc. Presumably
such things turn up in the US before they do here.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: Re: legalization in Britain & driversideairbags
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:48:22 PST

In article <1hoc9nINNsjn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
>>     In fact they have to take weekly urines test to prove that 
>>they ARE still doing the drug and not selling it to others for
>>a profit.
> 	I think that was an initial urine test to make sure they
> are on drugs to start with.

	In any case, the precaautions are geared more toward protection the
citizenry and the country than anything the US has done...

> 	A more common situation, I'd bet, is the doses purchaced 
> stays the same and the surplus is sold.
> 

	I doubt it -- where's the incentive?  They're not going to make any
profit, because of the general availability...the only advantage to purchasing
drugs from a licensed addict (?) would be the clandestine aspect, and with the
drugs described, I doubt that's as much of a problem...regardless, it's still a
guaranteed safe supply at a fixed price, so the violence of "bad shit" deaths
and the sale violence don't occur...

> 	Or alive, healthy, and on welfare. 

	And non-criminal.  I doubt your assertion here; sounds to me like
they're much more employable, and much more reliable if they are...I doubt the
British dish out cash to drug addicts who refuse to work -- this seems like a
standard religious right wool-over-eyes motion here...

> 
>> 
>>     Drugs and marijhuana are not illegal because the vast majority
>>of Americans believe that they should be so, they are illegal because
>>a few jokers passed the laws through congress with the promise
>>of kickbacks to the law makers.  
> 
> That plus the vast majority of Americans believe the they should be
> so.

	NOT!  The vast majority of Amerikans are afraid to come out and say
so, but given drug use in this country (both legal and illicit) it seems
Amerikans are voting in a different way...tell me that 51% or more of this
country is drug free - not!

>>     Homer
> 
> Jim D

Bucko Gizm
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>: 
>:  While reading this post I got a silly idea: What if during the process of
>: tripping, one encountered a stimulus or stimuli that, induced the brain
>: into rewiring itself in a random way? (By brain, I mean the cortex) I mean
>: these stimuli are certainly elusive, but conceivably thewy could exist.
>: And what might it take to rehabilitate a victim of this hypothetical
>: affliction. By no means am I suggesting this as a proscription against the
>: use of LSD or any other hallucinogen. But it judst seemed an interesting
>: possibility. It wouldn't necessarilly have to be random either. Some
>: overwhelming stimulus may ber able to render a tripper vegatative. I have
>: no idea how frequently such an event could occur. (Please no flames on
>: this, just discussion. I'm not out to spread myths and fear...) 
>
>Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becoming
>a vegetable due to LSD usage.
>
	From my exprerience, it seems like, MAYBE, if someone deliberately
WANTED to become all fucked up in the head, they could make that imprint,
as long as ALL the portions of their brain agreed on the idea.  However,
this would not be any stronger than, say, the person deciding to act
weird and doing so until SHe was that way out of habit.
	As far as what it would take them to become not weird anymore:
take another acid trip and imprint yourself to be normal again because
weirdness is getting lame.

	Or vegetability could, hypothetically be caused INDIRECTLY by acid if,
for some reason, while tripping you thought it might be "neat" to eat some
MPTP.	Of course, the combination just might cause another Stephen Hawking.
	But most tripping people wouldn't be that dumb, and the paranioa
factor wold be more likely to keep them from such.

	That's about all the possibilities of such, exhaustively.

							Sean
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: medline
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:52:40 GMT

In article <ofBpof200WB6ER5nZf@andrew.cmu.edu> "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What is this "medline" keep hearing about? I assume it can be used to find out
>various medical facts and information...does anyone know if there is a place
>I can telnet to to access it? I'm here on the andrew system at Carnegie-Mellon
>University, and I've never heard of such a thing available on this system, but
>I'd like to be able to access it if possible.

MEDLINE is a generic term for the bibliographic data maintained by the
National Library of Medicine.  There are a variety of ways to access this:
CIS$ gives access to Paper Chase, a nice front end.  Type "go pch" on CI$.
You can also telnet to "pch.bih.harvard.edu" and type "PCH,SIGNUP" at the
password prompt to obtain an account.  This is a for-fee service, so have
your MC/Visa card no. ready.  Other companies provide the MEDLINE data on
CD-ROM for retrieval on individual PCs.  "Grateful Med" is a front end
program for the PC and Mac which calls MEDLARS, a computer system at the
NLM, directly, and formats queries in a nice user-friendly manner.  MEDLARS
access also costs $$$--you need to have set up an account with them beforehand.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Scott Locklin )
Subject: Re: Bill's Billy, Roger (was Re: Some anonymous posts)
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:35:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
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In article <1992Dec28.174001.1@deep-13.gizmo.com> maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.083952.2769@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>> zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>> I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
>> support anything involved with the WOD.
>
>Immediately after US presidential election, I posted an article entitled
>"Clinton's Brother" or some such thing.  In yon article I described my
>impressions of Roger Clinton after seeing him interviewed by Buck Henry. 
>
>(I'd repost the article, but I trashed it)
>
>
>Reality check: I'm utterly against prohibition, *but* if someone I loved was
>spiralling to hir [sic] death, I'd do whatever it took to avert such a cruel 
>fate.I'd rather have a sibling w/ a record than a headstone.  
>
>
>[requoting  billn@hpcvacc]
>> I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
>> support anything involved with the WOD.
>
>Lets start a discussion on Bill Clinton's choice for Surgeon General-- I
>believe I was the first person to inform the net that medical marijuana is 
>on the horizon because of this choice (finessing here, because I can't remember
>the prospective SG's name)-- but noone seems terribly excited.
>
>Appointing a Surgeon General who favors legalizing medical mj does *NOT* sound
>like unyeilding support of the Wo(s)D.

Yes it is a nice spark of hope amidst the sea of despair we see around us. Who
cares if we can have medical MJ if the national guard can break into our homes.
Who cares about medical MJ if "law-enforcement" can take our property without
charging us with a crime. 
Not me.

It would be nice if ol Bill Clinton would bring this nation to its senses. I 
will believe it when I see it. So much has been fucked up in the last 12 years
(incidentally, I am _not_ a fan of the democrats, but a Libertarian) with
respect to civil liberty that I despair of the system ever being repaired.

>Anyone got anymore news on the Surgeon General story??
>does anyone care?

I'd like to hear some good news for a change.

-Scott