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From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Subject: Re: Northen Ireland again (was Re: Britain and HK)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:37:25 GMT

In article <1jos81INN402@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>Paisley is a loudmouthed religious bigot, but regarding him as a 'buffoon' is
>a dangerous underestimation. One thing that he and Gerry Adams have in
>common is a considerable degree of cunning. They know what 'their' people
>want to hear, and they know just how far to go to keep them happy without
>getting themselves slung in jail (well, not for too long).
>
Yes, of course, but that's my point: it's a very common excuse from
the people of NI "it's not us, it's our politicians". The problem is
that the things people like Paisley and Adams say are the things their
people want to hear. Electing someone like Paisely may ensure
the Unionists in NI get heard. It does not ensure they get
listened to.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Have a nice day!
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:33:21 EST
 cs.bham.ac.uk><bemj1-210193171027@coxsorangepippin.cl.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <bemj1-210193171027@coxsorangepippin.cl.cam.ac.uk>,
bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk (Bernie Jones) says:
>
>In article <CAH.93Jan21145806@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>,
>cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) wrote:
>>
>> To start another thread. How anyone can put up with the impersonal
>> "Have a nice day" without screaming back "Go f*ck yourself"/"Do you
>> know me?"/"Do you really care?", I'll never know.  How can there be
>> any sincerity wrapped up in this throwaway expression? Answers
>> required to (i) how prevalent this is, (ii) what net-people think
>> of the practice? (iii) examples from Britain.
>>
>
>My pet hate in this country is when Burger King staff say "You got it"
>after
>I have placed an order - it works nicely as an ad slogan, but to have it
>yelled at me all the time in East Anglian or London accents seems a bit
>off.
>Yet it's company policy (no doubt from the US HQ!) and I'm sure the staff
>don't like it.
>I went there the other day and happened to be served by the assistant
>manager. I placed my order and said "And please don't say 'You got it'".
>The grin and look of relief convinced me that they hate saying it too - so
>why are franchises in other countries forced to implement these
>Americanisms? Sometimes the thought of it annoys me so much that I don't
>go in the place at all! - and I'm sure that most other people in the
>country
>aren't over keen on it either. Maybe some letters to Corporate HQ are in
>order....
I worked in McDonalds in Dublin when I was a student, and we got the standard
'corporate' training, including the 'have a nice day' bits. But I found that
it actually makes the job a lot easier if you say it with a modicum of
sincerity. The power of positive thinking, and all that. (I can hear the
groans already!)

What pisses me off is somebody who says 'Have a nice day' while looking at
their till, or at the next customer. Eye contact can make a big difference
in how this is perceived.
>
>Bernie Jones            (0)223-335478             bernie.jones@cl.cam.ac.uk
>U of Cambridge Computer Laboratory, Pembroke Street, Cambridge, CB2 3QG, GB

Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:11:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.160530.14919@news.columbia.edu> gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.071041.1654@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>>>Why? If you gotta go, then you gotta go, and if someone else is having a 
>>>>long leisurely soak in the tub it's handy to have the loo in a separate 
>>>>room.
>>>
>>>Yes, but where do you wash your hands when you're done if someone is
>>>having a long leisurely soak in the tub?
>>>
>>C'mon Gabe, in the kitchen!!
>
>But what if someone's scrubbing pots in the kitchen sink?
>

You really want to be awkward about this, don't you.  Well,
two possibilities spring to mind.  1) Wipe your hands on your
jeans and forget it, you were obviously not meant to wash your
hands  2) go use the outside tap.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:19346 alt.usage.english:11011
From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:15:07 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <TSOS.270.727950382@uni-duesseldorf.de> TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert) writes:
>In article <C1C3CC.HGL@demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>>In article <C1C17o.29A@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>>:>> If, indeed, it is not a question, then would it not be simpler to merely
>>:>> say "hello"?
>>:>But isn't "hello" just a contraction of "how the hell are ya"?
>>:  No.  It's a contraction of "God be with you."
>>
>>Drole!
>>
>>In case anyone doesn't realise this is a joke, hello is derived
>>from an old word used to call hounds.
>
>... later on, to call hounds with persons attached to them. Nowadays 
>the hound is no longer required. If you are sans hound, however, you 
>have to listen to all hunting calls yourself and either bark back or 
>just answer with a similar call.

A personal favourite is still "Hello. . .the cottage!"

--jm
meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu  | "If you're in the neighbourhood, knock us up!"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer)
Subject: Re: British Sitcoms, etc.
Organization: Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:19:46 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:41:31 GMT, sasmym@angelou.unx.sas.com
(Marilyn Miller) said: 

MM> I have become "hooked" on some of the British sitcoms which are
MM> shown on our local PBS affiliate.  The two we see right now are
MM> "Good Neighbors" and "Are You Being Served?"  The cast members of
MM> these programs are so delightful and I am curious to know if any
MM> of them still appear on British TV--my favorites are Penelope
MM> Keith, Paul Eddington, Felicity Kendall, Richard Briers, John
MM> Inman, and Molly Sugden.  You would be surprised how popular these

MM> So, if there is a TV Trivia person out there who can enlighten me.
MM> .

I don't consider myself a TV trivia person, but anyway... "Good
Neighbours" was called "The Good Life" when it was on TV in the UK.

I don't know about the others, but Wendy Richard (Miss Brahms on AYBS)
currently appears in EastEnders (which is shown on one of our PBS
stations in the Phila are --- although we are about a year of episodes
behind).

Penny Keith, of course, went on to "To The Manor Born" post-The Good
Life.

-- Dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: French Cars
Originator: kevinh@achernar
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Distribution: eunet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:40:28 GMT


In article <C1Gqy1.FIv@newcastle.ac.uk>, Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) writes:
|> 
|> : The answer to this is of course - Buy British. After all this is
|> >                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >My Peugeot 309 was built in Coventry, apparently
|> 
|> : UK.misc. It cost me about 45 pounds for a headlight for my Nova.
|> : Having said this, the Nova is built in Spain and GM are an American
|> : company .....


As are Ford, Jaguar, Aston Martin and Lotus. Rover are 25% Honda owned - and
will probably be sold to them when the government 5 (?) year thingie runs out
soon.
 
I thought it was really funny when Diana was slagged off in the press recently
for buying (actually it was leased) a Merc (i.e for not buying British) - what
on earth was she supposed to buy??

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: JVDWIEL@KUBVX1.KUB.NL (Joost vd Wiel)
Subject: Studying in London
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:02:59 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, The Netherlands
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Hello,

I have a question about studying in London:
A friend of mine is studying at Tilburg University (Economics) and wants to
study marketing. Her parents are going to emigrate to London (september 1993)
en (offcourse) she wants to come along. The problem is that she does not know
how to continue her study, and she would like to know a few things. I would
like it if somebody could help her with this and response to this posting. You
can also E-mail me :-).

De questions:
    * what scools are there in London where one can get a master-degree (about
      the same as the Dutch diploma after finishing a university-study)
    
    * if you have passed your first year in Holland (the 'propaduese') and the
      two following years, is it then possible to skip some courses?
      She studies Economics here in Holland.

    * on what institutions metioned above can you study a mixture of economics,
      marketing, psychology en sociology?

    * are there any (preferable E-mail) adresses where I can get more specific
      information about that skipping classes/courses of those London schools?
    
Thanks for paying attentions and hoping to get some response,

                                                    Greetings,
                                                    Joost van de Wiel

PS. If there are some (or many) errors in this, then try to ignore them. It
    was written in a hurry so that's why. As long as the message is clear, 
    it will work out (I *hope*) :-)


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From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Chair
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:24:55 GMT
Organization: TMC
NNTP-Posting-Host: tremor.quake.think.com

In article <1993Jan28.155822.1391@ttinews.tti.com>, jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
|> 
|> But why "Chairman" in the first place? Does it imply that
|> the leaders of early committees had chairs and the others didn't?

Etymologically, it started out by a chair (cathedra) being the bishop's
seat, or throne, in church. This became symbolic for the office and then
for any high office. Professors have chairs, nothing to do with furniture.
The person holding the office is thus a chairman (or in modern PCspeak,
a chairperson). The (IMHO) much better Americanism of "chair" for a person
is thus fully justified, historically.
The derivation of chair as a piece of furniture (also from the Latin word
cathedra) is parallel with this.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
1010 El Camino Real, Suite 310
Menlo Park, CA 94025                                  (415) 329-9300

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Cornation St. tutor needed....
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:55:43 GMT

Dawn Bott writes:
>
>Welp, it happened...
>
>
>two weeks in the UK and I managed to get hooked on Cornation
>Street (and Neigbhors...but Cornation Street more so....)..

And I just want to know....WHY?

What is it about these shows?  I can't see the least
bit of entertainment value in any of these soaps.
Why do you like them?
From: Donald Mackie <donald_mackie@med.umich.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: All's straight in love and war
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:59:20 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Anesthesiology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-XXDate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:59:20 GMT

In article <728163449snz@kells.demon.co.uk> Geoff Landergan,
geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk writes:
>From the Guardian 27Jan93:-
>
>"President Clinton, as Commander-in-Chief, can expect unquestioning
>obedience from his armed forces, even if he orders them to fire
>strategic nuclear missiles.  But his plan to lift the ban on
>homosexuals in the military has already run into tough resistance."
>
John Chancellor's (provocative old fogey, hated by Brokaw they say)
commentary on the CBS news last night was supportive of Clinton on this
issue. He pointed out that a large number of gays have served and are
already serving with loyalty and effectively. Chancellor claimed that
finding and extracting gays from the military costs $40 million/year.
Military tactics include a toll-free hotline for anonymous tips.
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Philips (was Re: British phones in France)
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:11:47 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Frank K Bowles (fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk) wrote:
>>dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>>> Ray Dunn (ray@philmtl.philips.ca) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ...After seven months on the brew, I recently started working again
>>> 
>>> I think you mean 'the buroo', Glaswegian (and Geordie) for 'the dole'.  
>>> Seven months on brew would tend to reduce your chances of ever working 
>>> again....  
>> 
>> The word is brew.  Even in Glasgow we don't actually write in phonetics...
>> 
>Tell that to the Sunday Post.

Ah'll dae nae sic a thing!

Although spelling wars on dialect words are clearly nonsensical, the
Concise Scots Dictionary does say "buroo, broo", derived from "bureau".

I'll stick to my original spelling, "brew" though, thanks all the same.

If you ask a Scotsman what he does for a living, and he taps himself on the
forehead, how do you know he is unemployed?

......   Chap on the brew!

         chap: to tap
         brew: brow

[I didn't see Frank Bowles' posting here, I'm often only seeing subsequent
followups in s.c.b - are people inadvertantly setting a UK only
Distribution line?]
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Squidgy? Was: Re: Dianagate [was Re: Different Newspapers ...]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:04:02 GMT

In article <C19nAp.Kpy@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.072138.2697@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue "Squidgy"
>Miller) writes:
>
>|>In article <IDF.93Jan22021648@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk> idf@cs.bham.ac.uk
>|>(Ian Fitchet) writes:
>|>>
>|>> On 20 Jan 93, Sue Miller wrote
>|>>> Unfortunately for me, I bear a slight resemblance to Mrs. Wales (big nose,
>|>|>>> bluish eyes, blonde hair) and several of my coworkers have taken to
>|>calling 
>|>>> me this name...
>|>>
>|>> What, `big nose'?
>|>
>|>Didn't you hear me?  Oh, you think that's what they
>|>call me.  I wish.  No, I'm "Squidgy".  Sigh.
>
>Ahh... but how do you do in the toe sucking department?
>

Not applicable.  You should ask me about whether my eating disorder
is under control.  My sister is a redhead, we could ask HER about
toe sucking, but I doubt she'd be very amused.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: london, england
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:02:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.124538.11484@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <C15wpw.HIC@world.std.com>, eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:
>> 
>> The finanical section of London, UK is also called "The City". I have 
>> several maps that call this section "CITY". I also noticed that regional
>> names seem to be London centered, i.e. The North, The West County, etc.
>
>That's the city of London, as opposed to the city of Westminster or Southwark.
>And the regions aren't named with reference to London but to the whole country: 
>the West country is the west of England (Wales being just Wales); 

Except that you might have expected the west of England to refer to
areas like Herefordshire and Shropshire, when it actually refers to
areas like Somerset and Gloucestershire.


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Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
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From: mcsavaney_d@apollo.hp.com (#David McSavaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Postperson Pat. Was Re: Britain and HK
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:55:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: apollo.C1H34M.4vJ
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <2033@spam.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
>In article <1jp8p2INN1n5@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>>In article <1jgi0kINNb0@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>>>In article <1jerh5INN2q7@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> martin.baines@uk.sun.com writes:
>
>>>That's Cayman Islands, please!
>
>Surely it should be 'Cayperson Islands' (ducks for cover after making the
>worst joke on s.c.b for the last decade - excepting DSY and Holwhatshisname)
>-- 
>Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
>jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
>Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
>One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.

This caused me to pause and wonder - are UK kiddies still watching
"Postman Pat"? Surely it is time to be a little more sensitive and
call it "Postperson Pat"? Hmmm - would Saturday Night Live possibly
be interested in the concept...

Dave McSavaney
                
Not an official statement of HP
From: aledm@grant.ncd.com (Aled Morris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: M1, M4, M5, M6 & M25 - How long are they?
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:07:36 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA

In article <1k0hibINNmfk@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <727946840snz@kells.demon.co.uk>, geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan) writes:
>> A bit of trivia: The M25 motorway police, as part of their training,
>> have to do a speed trial around the entire M25 except for the tunnel
>> in a hour or less.
>
>Are you sure? I find that hard to believe, it would be incredibly stupid
>to require someone to drive at twice the speedlimit for an hour

Not too bad in a 24v Senator at 3am, but pity the young constable who
draws the short straw and the Austin Metro panda car.

Aled

aledm@ncd.com    Network Computing Devices Inc.
(415)694 4543    350 North Bernardo Avenue, Mountain View, CA 94043
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Succession Order?
Organization: Morituri Te Salutent, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:18:15 GMT

jac54@cas.org wrote:
> In article <1993Jan20.211949.15242@pony.Ingres.COM> cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:
> >>>Andy
> >>>Beetroot
> >>>Ingenue        <-----------What about Geoffrey Boycott around here?
> >
> >Naah. Sir Geoffrey always opens so you'll either have to ask Charles
> >to step down, or alternatively select Boycott as twelth man to carry
> >on the drinks for the rest of the rabble.
> 
> 	As twelfth man, he'd be moving a lot faster than he
> 	ever did as an opener.
> 
> 	Alec

Call up the Yorkshire Dragoons!  Once more we ride to defend the honour of
a Tyke!

Boycs had a reputation for getting his partners run out, you may remember, 
largely because he was so quick off the mark that he'd be at the other end 
of the wicket while his partner was still putting down his teacup.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:19268 soc.culture.usa:10015
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: US and European crime rates
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:17:26 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1ja89mINNapk@lindy.Stanford.EDU> jon@lindy.Stanford.EDU
(Jon Corelis) writes:
>If America had European-style social welfare programs,
>supported by European-style progressive taxation programs, to provide
>European-style health, education, unemployment, and family leave and
>support programs, along with European-style gun control laws, then
>America would also have European-style crime rates.

Fortunately, the majority of people here don't WANT Yurrupean style
social welfare, tax and gun control laws...

   don
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From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: Tony Benn to abolish monarchy
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:57:07 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

> :Now *there's* an idea. Pot-luck-peerage, anyone?  :-)

Just add hot water, makes it's own sauce! (Frank Zappa, Joes Garage).
-- 
snail@lsl.co.uk      

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless
 means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."
                                                     Quote by Freire.
                                                     Poster by OXFAM.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Postperson Pat. Was Re: Britain and HK
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:07:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.215359.24513@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>David McSavaney writes:
>>
>>This caused me to pause and wonder - are UK kiddies still watching
>>"Postman Pat"? Surely it is time to be a little more sensitive and
>>call it "Postperson Pat"? Hmmm - would Saturday Night Live possibly
>>be interested in the concept...

>Now *here's* an interesting subject.  My daughter and nephews all
>love Postman Pat.  The name can't be changed, nothing else will
>scan.  "Postal Carrier Pat and his black & white cat.."  nah.
>'Postperson' is an abomination, of course.

A little while ago the Post Office was considering extending the
colloquial Scottish term "postie" to the whole of the UK.  I think
that one's been quietly dropped...

--
Guy Barry, University of Cambridge | Phone: +44 (0)223 334757 
Computer Laboratory                | Fax: +44 (0)223 334678
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