From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: The Providence of Astrology
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:09:15 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

All Right.

We shall proceed - sort of, in fits and starts.

Dave Casper. Has Virgo *up the ass*, and Moon in Taurus (he is a
conservative.) Dave is *born to work*. If I had my guess, *one* of the
stock images of a Virgo is the crazy-haired, glasses-wearing, grad-student-
looking, maybe bearded, kind-of-quiet-to-meet people. This Virgo will "kind
of be there very present, but will not say so much to begin with."
His chart is marked heavily by Libra - super-rational, fair to a fault,
and someone who implicitly engages with others in an "action-reaction"
sort of way - they don't exist except in *relation to you*. He has Mars
in Libra, in the 1st house, so he is aggressive in a "socializing" way.

Dave is not an easily understood person - he "thinks to himself", having
Mercury in the 12th house, so he probably come across as "tight" - someone
you have to pry at to understand them in any depth.

Dave is a hyper-traditionalist (Moon in Taurus, emotions are not easily
swayed), yet for the Moon being in the 8th house, he is not satisfied with
'pat answers' - he would never settle for less than the ultimate truth.

Virgo is crotchety, finicky energy - at its worst. It is picky. He has
such a concentration of Virgo that this will be clearly marked about him -
a kind of peevish irritability, all the Virgo energy is in the 11th
house, so he would be "well known for being a futz", the kind of irritating
person who would rain on your parade but have good reasons for doing so.
He would be the person to point out why you have fucked up, but he would
usually be on the mark, and piss you off - because he is right.

Now, the marks of Libra here make Dave an curious person. Libra and Virgo
are very different energies. Dave's "mark" is that you don't deal with
him, without experiencing a definite feeling of compulsion - *in the
relating* with him. A very active person to deal with. Coupled with
Mercury's rulership over Virgo, a very, very analytical person, and one
in whom the sense of engagement is *very strong*.

Dave, you are heading headlong into your first Saturn Return, *right now* -
your Saturn smells it coming up - I wanted to be cute and say "you are
dead meat on New Year's Day" - you are in a period of immense and
"unaccountable" stress *right now*, something that you are not used to.
However bad your life may have seemed to be, it is *awful* now. The
precise transit - the *exact* Saturn return, will occur on 15 Jan 93.

You - and this is personal information - are in reaction to a hysterical,
religious mother. I have said that you need to reclaim from her, what she
has poisoned for you - namely, any faith in the supernatural. A Virgo is
supremely resilient, and this is one of its saving characteristics - it
can assimilate information and adapt to it. It is a mutable (adaptable,
changeable) sign, and you will be able to roll with whatever happens to
you - you will *resist it* (Moon in Taurus), but after a while you will
adapt to it, and it will be the "new norm" that you will use as a standard.

You have Moon trine Sun - parents got along well, at least near the time of
your birth. The archetype would be that your father adapted to your mother
without a philosophical conflict - i.e., he didn't *mind* your mother's
views, even if (curiously) he didn't quite feel constrained by them. E.g.,
life goes on, and this (the attitudes of the life partner) is just an
aspect of the world "as-it-is" - neither to be borne, nor to be disputed.
Virgo being a negative sign, indicates that your mother has had more
influence upon you, be that for good or ill, than your father did.

Having 5 bodies in the last quadrant (Cap, Aqu, Pis) indicates that you're
more outwardly oriented e.g. what you do is thought of as being toward
sharing it with the world-at-large without much reference to self, except
as being a part-of-the-whole. A kind of selflessness.

Neptune in Scorpio (penetration) in the 2nd house would indicate an
accumulation of "difficult knowledge" - if you have a consuming interest
in physical phenomena, I would mark this as the reason. Its mark is
"I must know". Pluto in Virgo marks a compulsion around how work is
performed - method is all, so to speak. Uranus is here too, so while you
may tend to think of yourself as defining the norm in regards attitude
towards you work, you must also sense that your methods are unusual - as
opposed to those around you. If I have to guess - people tend to think
of you as being more gung-ho than the work somehow seems to merit.

Venus in Virgo wants a partner it can serve. It rather demands someone
it can be in continuous relationship with, yet in a somewhat relecting
way. Coupled with Mars in Libra, the partner must be a strong person to
deal with you. I recall looking at your chart and asking, what sort of
woman would this guy do best with (whether he liked it or not, so to
speak...) - this presumes you're heterosexual - the answer is, a Capricorn
woman who would not take *any* shit from you, but who would always be
around, and ready to relate to you.

Saturn in the 4th in Aquarius. Saturn is the indicator of the pitfall,
in Aquarius says "group participation is dicey and I'm not sure about
being an open person." This would be reinforced by Mercury in the 12th.
Would rather hang out at the periphery; or thinks that the true "group",
the "active, central group", does not have an image of him *in specific,
as an individual*". Or, e.g., thinks of himself as being on the sidelines
somehow, not quite part of the main current, and it bothers him - something
amiss. Saturn in the 4th, doubts his own capabilities, e.g. does not feel
sufficient to the task - thinks there is too much room for improvement to
lay much claim to any great sense of self-worth. Saturn squared Neptune
says - Jesus, in this instance - either I go off and pursue what I know
will produce results, or I make the effort to appear to be "one of the guys"
- at some curious cost of feeling shallow.

Jupiter in Aries in the 7th. He has to be himself at all cost, yet has to
do it in relation to another person. Being Virgo, he can handle this easily
enough, yet it's always a bother - an issue - something he's aware of.
He somehow always seems outside himself - there is always the image of the
other person - he'd like to put this to rest. The Capricorn woman would be
identifiably a person unto themselves, so Dave can go off and do his work;
she knows this will be a part of his life; Yet they are always in sight
of each other, and he needs acceptance to submerge into his pursuits,
while yet knowing that when he surfaces, the other person (she) will always
be there. All he needs to Know from her is that what he does is valued,
and that what he is, is still valued apart from what he does. The Capricorn
woman is Patient, but a Libra would serve; she will keep him active; A
Taurus woman would serve, but he will have to take care of her; A Pisces
woman *might* serve, but that may be too stressful, for she will dissolve
him, and he will have to pay much more attention to the "cartilaginous"
part of his nature. An Aquarius woman might do, but she would prompt him
to self-disclosure, as a pressure, by example, and he would probably start
out with her in the image of one whom to catch up to, with an attendant
competition reflex; a Cancer woman would require a tight bond, but he
could handle it very easily if she had a strong desire to relate with
him; she probably would; he would sense the same sort of demands from
her, as from the Capricorn woman; in Cancer's case, *she* does the demand-
ing; in Capricorn's case she bids Dave to demand of himself, by *example*.

Part of Fortune in 9th in Gemini - when Dave is able to peel back his
subconscious, he will share with other his beingness, and the experiential
nature of his being.

Uh-oh, I am falling asleep at the terminal. Time to go. Does *any* of this
ring true, Dave?

-ecsd