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/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) /  5:00 am  Aug 25, 1992 /

People riding without helmets rarely wave back - it doesn't seem to matter
if they're on Harleys or sport-bikes.

Helmeted riders almost always wave back.

I don't have a clue what this means.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
----------
I don't suppose that helmeted riders have a lot in common with those 
who practice safe sex by wearing condoms while those unhelmeted bikers
take their chances with herpes, AIDS and other related diseases? Naw,
too simplistic...or is it?  :-}

Graeme Harrison
DoD#0649
'What's gnu with ewe?'
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Leave the GD Bylaws alone
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.132054.9206@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco) writes:
|> In article <60037@mimsy.umd.edu> leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
|> writes:
|> >klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
|> >+
|> >+			Daily Times-Call Editorial
|> >+[...]
|> >+Safety considerations aside, the Legislature should pass the law
|> because it
|> >+can't afford to throw away millions of dollars in federal highway
|> money.
|> >+And pass the law it will unless the legislative banty roosters who
|> like to
|> >+posture and crow about mandates from Washington win the day again.
|> >+[...]
|> >
|> >You better believe it.  That argument worked here in Maryland.  As
|> of
|> >1 Oct 92, we'll have an across-the-board helmet law again, the
|> first
|> >in almost 15 years.  The Federal Highway Money Blackmail Bill
|> worked
|> >it's magic here, and it'll work it there, too.  Boy, I feel like
|> I've
|> >been transported back into the early '70s again.
|> >
|> >Bottom line:  Money talks!!
|> >
|> 	
|> 	Hmm, I'll have to dig out my letters that I got back from my 
|> congressmen whom I wrote about this issue.  I seem to recall that
|> they 
|> implied that Fed $$$ were not tied to state helmet laws. 
|>>>>>> (of course, why should I believe them!)<<<<<<<<
Why...They are from the Government and are here to help you
The second biggest lie is "The checks in the mail"


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From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Help with Chain
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:11:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug31.002834.18993@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS
WATERS) writes:
>
>Recently I noticed that my chain was loose, very loose.  I
>managed to tighten it up but it is still making a lot of
>noise like when you put an old bike chain onto a new sprocket.
 
 
Since you obviously don't maintain your bike, my guess is that your chain
is completely starved of lubrication.  "Lubrication," you ask, "What's that?"
If the chain & sprockets haven't been destroyed, you might want to get some
PJ-1 spray on lubricant (be sure to get the right kind: o-ring, or not), and
follow the directions on the can.  Check for worn sprockets, worn out chain
(the little guage on the swing arm that says, "replace" and has a mark),
frozen links, etc.  I highly recommend that you spend a little time, and read
through your owner's manual for the bike.  It will tell you all about
motorcycle maintenance, and what you should be doing to keep your bike
healthy & happy.  Good luck!


-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings|
|A little sixty-nine would be just fine,                             -   O    |
|So let's cut all this talk, just climb on my Hawk!                    |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |
From: smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Riding Two on a CBR600F2
Date: 28 Aug 1992 06:19:04 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <msbogd-270892145137@enterprise.lerc.nasa.gov> msbogd@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael S. Bogdanski) writes:
>Recently, I've carried a passenger on my '92 CBR600F2.  It seemed like a
>great idea until my crotch was smashed up against the gas tank while
>slowing and my privates were smashed, causing quite a bit of discomfort. 
>Also, I found that there was a tremendous extra load put on my arms while
>slowing down due to the increased weight from behind.  I weigh about 175lb
>and my passenger about 110lb.  Has anyone figured out a method for
>minimizing/eliminating these uncomfortable and painful encounters while
>carrying a passenger?

Tell your passenger to

a>  lose some weight (not that it sounds like they really need to...8-)

b>  use their knees to grab your hips while slowing.  This will help
quite a bit.  If they already are, well....

>Michael S. Bogdanski
>msbogd@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
>NASA Lewis Research Center

Steve Mansfield	    | The system we've learned says we're equal under law
smm@uunet.uu.neta   | But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will fall
1983 Suzuki GS550E  | Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown
DoD# 1718	    | Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down.
Queensryche	    -       Speak the Word.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: GSRX's and Posing
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:35:17 GMT

In article <5961@transfer.stratus.com> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com writes:
|Interesting analogy, but very wrong. Weight is very similar to
|that of the ZX-11, 1100 Katana, 1000 'Cane, etc. Wobbly ?  Yeah
|and monkey's might fly out of the pipes !   NOT.

 :-)  Right.  I've ridden with FJ riders that make the bike really look
positively NIMBLE, when none of the liter-plus sport touring bikes are
exactly nimble when compared to the GSXR1100, FZR1000, etc..  (Steve K., you
reading this?)

|of blazing around a race track. With the FJ, you can actually
|ride for (gasp) *hours* at a time. You know - to actually ride to a
|destination, and still keep pace with the fastest of the fast in all
|but the peg-scraping-est twisties.

  RIGHT.  Sport-touring at its best.  FJ1200, ZX-11, Katana (?), some of the
higher power BMW's, etc...  That's *my* choice...

|I'm not knocking the GSRX or the people who *ride* them. I am knocking the
|squids who pose on them and zip down Main St. USA dressed in neon with their
|dates on the back on Friday nights. 

  Of course, then there *are* people that tour on them.  Not for me, but then
some people say the same for my ride...

|Give me a 100mph sweeper in the mountains any day !

  Amen!

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
("mean and nasty") ZX-11 #00072 Pilot         megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin)
Subject: Re: Wheelin' and dealin'
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.133606.16697@worldbank.org> aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>Good idea Bob, but if the dealoroids (TM) for motorcycles come from the
>same
>mold that car dealers come from, if you call them they'll say something
>like
>"Well Sir, it's our policy NOT to quote prices over the phone, come on in
>and
>well talk.   I'm sure we can work something out."  Shit like that really
>pisses
>me off.

Firstly - try to avoid those auto wrap thingys  (thingy's, thingies? 8-).

Secondly - if anyone sees this PLEASE send me mail: bob@varian.com

OK.  Your response to the standard dealer reply above is...

"I'm not going to ride all over creation looking for a reasonable deal,
I have several quotes already which I am not going to reveal to you,
this is your only chance to make this sale."  

(Shall we have a flame war about whether the closing period goes 
inside or outside the quotes - it's another of those Anglo/American 
differences.)

About half the time you should be able to get a quote and if enough
people persist the dealers who won't give quotes will suffer.

Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA #353696, DoD #257
bob@varian.com {lll-winken,pacbell}!varian!bob     CBR600, ST1100, KLR650
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:29:02 GMT

In article <moseley.70.715462158@u.washington.edu> moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>Well I don't know why I bother to followup to these postings since rec.
>motorcycles serves as a mutual masturbation society for motorcyclists 
>opposed to helmet laws but what the hell.
[...]
>I recognize and respect 
>those who argue against helmet laws because of the "freedom of choice" 
>argument [...]
>Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu

You have a strange way of showing respect, Steve.  I've never looked at
being called a member of a "mutual masturbation society" a sign of
respect.

May I suggest that you stick your shrill persecution complex where the
sun doesn't shine?  This group is formed of thousands of diverse
individuals, with as many differing opinions among them.  We can't agree
on how our bikes go around corners, for chrissakes; still you manage to
perceive us as mindless conformists on this one issue, merely because
the bulk of us disagree with you.

The fact that there is a general consensus here that motorcyclists are
being singled out by hypocritical lawmakers as a highly visible and
politically vulnerable subculture is a minor miracle, considering the
contentious nature of the group.  Take it as evidence that all sides
of the argument have been weighed many times in r.m. (way too many times),
and your patronizing whining to the contrary appears rather childish.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<BOWERS.92Aug27113727@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> <BtoFvq.xp@Caere.COM>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:00:11 GMT

In article <BtoFvq.xp@Caere.COM> mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:

>Who cares if it's imaginary or not?  :)  Actually it's not imaginary,
>just a case of describing centripetal acceleration from a different
>frame of reference.

Still doesn't work.  your `new' frame of reference still has some
left-over terms in your equations of motion.  These usually get called
`Corriolis'.

Or as Jerry Wills so aptly put it:

"You done violated *PHYSICS* Boy!  Assume the position!"

--
"Time is simply the illusion of the passing of history, and history is
simply the illusion of the passing of time..."
                                -The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa GTV6  Ducati MHR(DOD #900)
From: marct@vax2.concordia.ca (MARC A. TISSEUR)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Road tip #4 (Ski neck)
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:16:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Turtle neck

     When the weather starts to cool down, consider keeping one of
those skiing neck collars.  They'll save you from one of those
anoying throat colds.

Marct@vax2.concordia.ca
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winner of the Official(tm) (bs) DoD Ba
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:14:30 GMT
Expires: 30 Sep 92 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.

|In article <19883@drutx.ATT.COM> pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug31.013823.23946@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
|>
|>>"I was doing 150 mph sideways and 500 feet down at the same time.
|>> I was looking for the cops, because I knew it was illegal."
|>>
|>>The story is at least as credible as most postings to rec.moto.  :-)
|>
|>Say, does Arlo Guthrie ever mention what _kind_ of motorcycle he was
|>riding???

I think the only bike that I can recall ever seeing him pictured on was a
Triumph Cub (250 cc) - guess that it couldn't have been a stock model huh?

8)


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Back in the saddle - BONNE'S ALIVE          (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
*********************************************************************
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:49:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 19908@drutx.ATT.COM, klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>
>Without a helmet law, Colorado's highway building budget will lose about
>$2 million in 1994, a sum that will double the next year and continue
>for each year the state goes without a helmet law.

Probably true.  The recent federal highway bill (in the neighborhood of
$2 BILLION) both fines states that don't have helmet AND seat belt
laws, and sets up a fund to "reward" those that do.  The United STATE
of America in action again.

>Several studies have concluded that a helmet law
>would save taxpayers several million dollars a year in hospital and
>medical bills that are rung up by indigent motorcyclists who are
>injured riding without helmets.

Ask the paper to publish the name, date, and details of these "several
studies," or print a retraction.  My guess is there ain't any.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Thanks a pant's full, DoD...
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:15:33 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Aug26.153836.27688@ctr.columbia.edu>, barry@fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu (Barry B Burnette) writes:

> I love it!  This group sucks!  DoD sucks!  Their cheap bikes suck!
> Bunch of non-riding, anti-social, self-proclaimed m.c. expert,
> ugly woman marrying, computer geek, motorcyclist wanna be's!

there are quite a few of us in this group who have never married
women, much less ugly women.

> This group is supposed to be about bikes and riding, not about the
> crap these people write.  One article about a RCR or something,
> "Oh Seth, I'm so disappointed you were'nt there..."  Hey bud, keep 
> your homo stuff to the email.  What a disgrace.

you and pat buchanan should get together, barry.  maybe start
"homophobes usa."  you could not let anybody join unless they were
just exactly like you and pat, and then you could force everybody to
join.  oh, damn-- say, didn't the "young fascists" already patent that
concept?  sorry about that. 

> You guys just would'nt understand.

i understand perfectly.  i have a fifteen year old.  of course,
he grew out of it.
 
-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjwong@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Joseph Wong)
Subject: CBR600F2 Fuel Problems
Summary: Fuel Line Problems on CBR600F2
Keywords: Fuel Line
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:35:34 GMT

Dear Follow F2 Owners or Any other Machanics Whose fix them:

I recently had some problems with my F2's fuel line.  At first during
regular riding periods I would notice a lack of power when giving some 
throttle.  It almost seemed like the motorcycle was running out of gas
or that the gas had water in it. Eventually the problem got so bad that
the bike would die in the middle of traffic.  It seemed as if I had ran out
of gas but the tank was still full.  Finally after many trips to the local
cycle shop, they were able to determine that the fuel tank had a vacuum
problem that prevented the gas to drain into the engine.  I don't know 
how or why but the only cure was to drill a small hole in my gas tank.
But all I know now is that my baby is finally running.
If anyone has any ideas one why this happened or comments please e-mail 
them to me at:  jjwong@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu

Thanks

Joe
-- 
----------------------Alone in the Great Midwest -------------------------

Joseph Wong				East And West girls are fine
University of Iowa			but there is nothing like a girl
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HONDA VFR500 INTERCEPTER
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:38:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <92241.105050AKS112@psuvm.psu.edu>, AKS112@psuvm.psu.edu (ALEX
STEFANOWICZ) wrote:
> 
> I am thinking about buying a honda vfr500 intercepter as my first sport bike, I
> would appreciate any information about the bike, good or bad.  And what is a
> reasonable price to pay for one in good condition.  Also anyone selling a 1984-
> 1986 VFR500 please let me know.

{Note:
Your model designation is not quite correct. It should be Honda VF500F 
Interceptor ... the VFR series started in 1986 and are only 700 and 750cc 
models. They are the gear driven overhead cam motors; the VF500Fs are the
chain driven cam design.}

I am not sure they were still producing the VF500F through 1986 ... I've
seen
very clean '84 and '85 machines for between $1800 and $2200, and decent
bikes
for as low as $1100 in need of some work. 

Cylinder head problems were fairly common on the 700/750 series VF motors 
(the change to the VFR heads solved those); I'm not sure that the 500 
motors suffered the same difficulties as they were a slightly later design.
Other than that, the bike is a delight to ride; my neighbor just bought one
recently and I've enjoyed my test rides on it. Some people complain about
the 16" wheel front end, but I don't notice that it is particularly 
deficient. 
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Intercepter 1987, "Bright White"
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
========
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Subject: Re: Robt. Gordon (was: Re: DoD Battle Hymn.... etc.)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:10:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194229.10546@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:
>In article <4650@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>
>>'Too Fast To Live, Too Young To Die'  by  Robert Gordon
>
>I didn't realize anyone else had ever heard of Robert Gordon!
>I began collecting his albums when he started out on Private Stock label.
>Has he ever made any singles?
>I've tried to follow his (career?) with RCA; what's up with him?
>Why didn't I cross-post this to rec.(some kind of music)?
>
>ObMoto:  Anybody know if R. Gordon is a biker??
>
>Eduardo (DoD#0521)


You need to check out a film made around 1982 called "The Loveless",
starring Willem Dafoe and Robert Gordon. They play 50's bikers
travelling through southern Georgia on their way to the Daytona races.
One of their friends' bike breaks down in a small town, and while
they're stuck there, they get involved with some weird shit with the
locals. Dafoe and Gordon are great as '50s greasers, the bikes are
nice (all Panheads) and Gordon did most of the soundtrack.
From: pfs@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Paul Schnettler)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 17:17:56 GMT

In article <78843@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>I was at the library yesterday, for about an hour, and while I was 
>inside, some jackass tried to steal my passenger's helmet! (aka Joe
>Senner's loaner helmet!)
>
{bunch of helmet stuff deleted}
>
>BTW, a question for all you etiologists.  What is the TRUE origin of the
>word "scumbag"?
>
Well If'n I remember rightly... two guys from brooklyn were argueing about
something unimportant, the whole conversation degenerated into a big shouting
match, one guy called the other a Douchbag (remember those old red rubber
hot watter bottles with the weird hose attatchment) and the other guy came
back with a reply: "well, your nuttin but a scumbag"...
No, maybe it was two guys from joysey....#:')
>
>-- 
>|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings|
>|A little sixty-nine would be just fine,                             -   O    |
>|So let's cut all this talk, just climb on my Hawk!                    |      |
>|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |
>