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From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.3d
Subject: Re: 'Movement' on light and dark screen background.
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:14:44 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: Utensil Computers & Restaurant Supply, Dunellen NJ

sauron@nano.engr.mun.ca (Patrick Ryan) writes:
> hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom) writes:
> 
> >Now, if only they'd do a commercial with SIRDS.  Fat chance.
> 
>  Sorry if this is a FAQ, but what's SIRDS?

"It's a candy mint... it's a breath mint..." :-)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: The need for an assembler
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 09:40:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193236.7561@news.columbia.edu>, lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
...
> 
> When this sort of thing is applied to all walks of life, this is when the
> machines take over.  AI programs will become sufficently self-aware that
> it is better to lie to the stupid humans, and instead it's better to speak
> Inter-System Language.
> 

Seems like a grave risk of inventong the vice president algorithm.

~Paul
From: ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Whats real anyway?
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:42:20 GMT
Organization: The Hacker Conference

For some time I have been friends with a married couple who are
wiccan. I do not communicate with them anymore as our paths simply
diverged. But before that happened I would oft ask them questions
regarding their lives as wiccans. They claimed to both be witches.
It wasn't a matter of some import to them, it was simply a fact. Well
this interested me as you might imagine. I have always been
interested in the occult and such. So I decided to test their
abilities in magic. However there always seemed to be SOME reason
why the couldn't do it. I don't think they conciously ever tried to
avoid the tests, I think they honestly wanted to perform them, but
always SOMETHING happened. 

I tell this story as an introduction to the thread I am going to
start. Many people have posted here regarding various occurances
that range from coincidence to downright freaky. Now i know ghost
stories have been around since the begining of time (I used to read
alot of them). But what I'v never seen is anyone produce anything
that can be TESTED. This phenomena is so damn COMMON, why is it that
its so hard to produce testible evidence? I'v seen some theories put
forward, but there all conjecture. I am an empiricist by nature and
no one seems able to produce ANYTHING that can be seen. But I also
know something of human nature, the shear volume of reports can not
be ignored. There is SOMETHING going on. But what it is, I can not
say. Has anyone here done research into the subject beyond visiting
your local library? Has anyone done experiments? Has anyone been
able to produced ANYTHING that can be tested and examined? Ghosts
are not new. Psychic phenominan is as old as man. But why can't
anyone produce something that, if not measured directly, can at
least be infered from secondary evidence?!?!?!

So many of you have had these experiences, are you satisfied to say
'its a ghost' and leave it at that? What the hell is a ghost? Why do
they bother you? Where do they come from? I have had no experience
and this questions bug me. For those who have been through
encounters of whatever sort, I should think these questions would
drive you insane! 

Oh well.. one voice in the night,
			The Jester
--
			The Jester
"Whats a Knock Out like you doing in a computer generated Gin
joint like this one?"-William Riker
"I'm god, whats your excuse?"-The Jester
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Modern Ghost Stories
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Distribution: public, world
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:20:28 GMT

My question is, when will we start to see net-related ghost stories?
Anyone recieving any untraceable otherworldly messages from beyond
yet?

BTW, here is a new experiment that supposedly anyone can duplicate
that proves... something, I'm not sure what.  I haven't tried it yet,
so this is not first hand, but apparently this is how the experiment
works.  Take a normal video camera and pop in a tape, point the camera
at a TV showing just static, and tape the duration of the cassete.
Then rewind and play back the video of the static on super-slow
motion, one frame at a time.  Apparently after a while you will see
people's faces in the TV screen, just different faces one after the
other. (One guy who had done it claimed to see his deceased daughter.)
Anyone else come across this and/or tried it?  Please post a
follow-up... 
If/when I finally get around to doing it, I'll let you all know...

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                       /               
/'''   Kyle Wohlmut    -  'Heute back ich, morgen brau ich, und       
c-OO                   /   uebermorgen hol ich mir der Koenigin ihr      
   \   Rocking Pig     -   Kind.  Ach, wie gut dass niemand weiss,
  -     Enterprises    /   dass ich kyle@csli.stanford.EDU heiss.'    
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P.S. That story about the girl under the sink!  Brrrrrr!
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Sunday, 23 Aug 1992 10:55:03 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Whats real anyway?

I first started work in England as an apprentice in what is now Telecomm
and was then the General Post Office, at Free Lane Repeater station,
Leicester. The building also contained the operator assistance switchboard
- about 100 girls - on the top floor, and a canteen on our floor, the door
to which was locked at night.
On several occasions a woman was seen walking in 'our' area - the repeater
equipment floor - night staff assumed she was either an operator or a member
of the public who had walked in off the street. Twice, she walked up the steps
to the locked canteen door, and vanished thru it.
On another occasion, two girls were coming down the stairs from the top
floor, and saw a woman in a heavy coat coming up the stairs towards them. One
girl turned to the other and remarked "why does she have her coat on - the
cloakroom is on the ground floor ?" when without warning the figure turned
and walked thru the locked elevator gate - and the elevator wasn't even at
that floor. (One girl had hysterics, and was sent on a long leave: next
day a reported from the BBC turned up but there was no one to interview....)

Months later, a telephone pole was dug up from outside our Free Lane
buildings. Under the pole, preserved by the creasote which had accumulated
from the pole, was a skull with long red hair attached. We took it over
to the pub, the Royal Oak, which backed onto the street (Free Lane) and
poured a gin and tonic thru the appropriate orifice........ And then I
left for work in London, and eventually here, Germany. But I often wondered
who she was, and if she manifested herself after I left.
RaF
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: tbrown@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown)
Subject: More ghost stories
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:48:24 GMT

The following was told to me by one of my best friends.

While he and his brothers were growing up, they kept hearing someone walk up
the stairs, walk down the hallway, and then suddenly (if it was closed) their
door would silently glide open and no one would be there.  This was even 
weirder than it sounds as the door in question jams and has to be forced open,
it wouldn't glide open even if you hit it really hard.  It would at least 
creak like it always did.

This happened often enough that he and his brothers named the ghost George.  
From what I remember it never did anything else except walk upstairs and open
the door...except the day their house burned down.  My friend was asleep 
upstairs (in a room adjacent to the room the ghost opened).  He woke up 
slightly when something pushed him.  He rolled over and went back to sleep.
He was pushed again, slightly harder. And started to wake up when the covers 
were yanked off his bed and something pulled on his arm, tugging him towards 
the door.  It was then that he thought he smelled something (it was the house 
burning down..).

There was enough time for him to get some stuff out of the house..but he 
didn't know if he would have woken up if it hadn't been for George.

Anyone else have a story of a ghost trying to help someone?  (I myself have
had no personal experience with ghosts (well I did feel there was something
trying to get in my room for about a week.  I felt that when I wasn't in
my room that something was following me around (I felt a sort
of pressure, like something trying to get into my head)...but I put this off
to just me being weird...a common enough course...and nothing like it has
happened since) but have experienced a few of those psychic warnings/
coincedences...enough to keep an open mind)

And in the same vein as ghosts showing up right after they have died...has
any one recieved any e-mail from someone sent after they have died?

Oops.  I'm rambling again...time to go...

Ted Brown
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: answering the phone before it rings
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:31:07 GMT

I used to think I was the only one this ever happened to but I have
found other people that sya it has happend to them and I saw a roomate
do it once...

Hav eany of you answered the phone before it rings?  You are sitting
there and the feeling hits you just as if the phone is ringing and you
pick it up and say hello and there is a call but the phone had not rung
yet.  This is a little weird, but I have seen it happen to others as
well as myself.  Any of you have simlar experience?

Jim
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: pet hauntings
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:22:54 PDT

In article <19AUG199219223012@vax.sonoma.edu>, on 19 Aug 1992 19:22 PST  ,
esaia@vax.sonoma.edu (MICHELLE ESAIA) writes:

> ..Stuff Deleted..
>What was strange was that I kept hearing her walk (nails clicking on linoleum)
>down the hall, into my bedroom, and jump on my bed, where she used to sleep. I
>heard this every night I lived in that house. (About 3 years!)
>
>Needless to say, it was comforting to know (or at least believe) that she was
>there.
>
>Michelle
>

We had the same thing happen to us at my parents house. After our last
dog died (they never got another one after that) for about four years
when someone would go into the family room we would hear the dog outside
sniffing under the door and you could hear her nails and she walked
around outside (and you could hear her tags jingle too). We thought
this was our imagination (because we were so used to hearing this,
infact when I used to go home to visit I used to go into the back yard
out of habit to say hi to the dog) until I brought a friend home with
me and she asked if she could see our dog. I told her we don't have a
dog anymore and she said then whats making that noise at the back door?
She said she heard sniffing and the dog's tag jingling. We told her
it must have been the dog's ghost because the dog had been dead for
over a year at that point!
        --Ed
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: umsister@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sisterson)
Subject: Three-Men and a baby(has a ghost!)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:47:58 GMT

In the movie Three Men and a Baby, during one of the shots that pan
the men's appartment, a little boy can be seen half-in-half-out of
a window.   He is very shadowy.  I have seen it for myself.  

You have to pan thru each frame very slowly (during the shots of the
appartment).  It gives me the spooks.

Apparently, none of the actor saw anybody or anything during the taping.
It was on some of the news programs like Entertainment Tonight a few years
back.  Rent it and check it out.


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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: pet hauntings
From: esaia@vax.sonoma.edu (MICHELLE ESAIA)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 19:22 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


I don't think I can agree with the supposition  that ghosts necessarily haunt
where they were killed... at least not with pets!

When I was in High School, my mother's 13 year old dog decided to take a walk
down the street (this just happened to be on Christmas Eve) and got hit by a
car.  It was the most tragic, horrible Christmas ever...I cried for days. 

What was strange was that I kept hearing her walk (nails clicking on linoleum)
down the hall, into my bedroom, and jump on my bed, where she used to sleep. I
heard this every night I lived in that house. (About 3 years!)

Needless to say, it was comforting to know (or at least believe) that she was
there.

Michelle
From: molin@crs.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Late feline companion
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:50:54 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

nancy@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Nancy Feagans) writes:

>I've never experienced a repeat occurance, or anything even remotely
>similar since that night. I've had cats since (I now have 3, in fact),
>but as great as they are, I have not "bonded" with any of them like
>I had with Tykie.

I don't think your experience is all that uncommon, actually.  When I
was in 7th grade (MANY moons ago!) a classmate asked me if I wanted
any kittens.  On the last day of school, my mom came to pick me up
instead of letting me ride the bus home (as usual) and we went to pick
out a kittie.  The runt, of course.  I'm sure you've NEVER heard of this
anywehre else, but we called him "Smokie."  Geeeesh.  Over the years,
I had gone away to college, then moved out so my cat Smokie actually
became my mom's cat (in the sense of bonding, as you mention above)
and the silly cuddly critter lived to be 21 years old before the vet
finally pronounced him in continual pain and he was euthanized.  Now,
well over 6 years later, she still hears him scratching at the door
and window screens to get in at night.  She feels him rubbing against
her leg when she rattles papers in the kitchen, still glimpses him out
of the corner of her eye when she's moving about the house.

This ain't much of a ghost story, I guess.  She certainly doesn't believe
in spirits and such, but there's that old cat still bopping about in her
life.  Who can figure?

            -MOlin
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: 880518l@dragon.acadiau.ca (Nelson Langille)
Subject: Re: Modern Ghost Stories
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: public, world
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:44:54 GMT

I don't know about the T.V thing, but if you make a tape recording at high
speed, then play it back normally, you will hear some really spooky
whale like sounds.  I got this from playing back my brothers
Fisher Price video recorder tape in a normal tape player.  BTW
as for the speed, in the video recorder, a normal 30 minute tape
side would only last about 10 minutes or less I think.


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: campfire ghost-story
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:06:14 GMT

I realize all the stories so far are your unexplainable happenings and
stuff that people realy believe but I have not seen anythign satateing
the limits of what belongs on this list.  i am guessing that some of the
totally bogus campfire ghost-stories are also acceptable hear so you
might enjoy this one.  This is a trick we pulled in the boy scouts every
year on the new boys on there first night camping with us.

We would sit around the campfire and we would start the ghost stories
with this same old wimpy one that scared nobody.  It wnet like this.

About 100 years ago there was this forest explorer and he was the best,
he could find his way through any forest.  Everyone new that it was
totally impossible for this guy to get lost in the forest.  He could
talk to the animals and they would always give him directions for where
he wanted to go.  one time, this rich guy decided to challenge this
explorer and said he would give him a million dollars if he could find
his way home after the rich guy dropped him in the forest.  The explorer
accepted.  The rich guy flew him out to the center of the forest in his
helicopter (funny, no one ever pointed out that there were no
helicopters 100 years ago) and dropped him in the middle of the forest.
They waited for weeks and weeks but the guy never came home.  Some
people went into the fores to look for him but no one ever found him.
To this very day thoug, campers in the forest can sometimes hear him
shout "Where the hell am I?!".  We ended the story there.  Obviously not
enough to scare even the most timid of young boy scouts.  We would go on
with more stories for an hour, maybe two and they would get scarier as
they went along.  Then as it got late, one of the older boys would
suggest that we have a moment of silence for our evening prayer
(catholic boy scout troop).  In that moment of silence another of the
older boys who had covertly slipped away a little earlier would be way
off in the trees and shout "Where the hell am I ?!"  All the young boys
would be shocked and scream and run for there tents scared shitless!  
It was hilarious, worked every year.  We had a blast, and yes! they got
me with it my first year as I recall and got many other boys in later
years.  It was great!

Jim


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson)
Subject: Re: Animal instincts?
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:12:27 GMT

In article <EIVERSON.92Aug19230423@ithaka.nmsu.edu> eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) writes:

> There are many well documented cases of this happening.  I've read
> some articles in Omega about this.  There are also many cases of animals
> spontaneously dying within a few days of their masters.  Weird stuff.

I might also point out that this is not limited exclusively to
animals.  Case in point:

My Aunt was gardening when she was suddenly overcome by a feeling that
left her weak and more than a little shaken.  She was sure that her
brother in-law had just died.  Later of course, she found out that he
had. This is especially prevalent amongst identical twins and mothers
and their children.

On a related note, there are cases of terminally ill patients who are
not aware that a relative has recently died who report encountering
that relative during a near death experience, or in the final stages
of their dying.  If these encounters were really just hallucinations,
one would suspect that other relatives who were thought to be living
would be in them or that the recently dead relative would be excluded.
Neither of these happen.

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From: connorm@vax.sonoma.edu (Michelle Connor)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: House Between Worlds
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:21:00 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Totally cool book....It's by Marion Zimmer Bradley....
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: haunted house story
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:52:33 GMT

This last post exhausts my personal ghost story list...

When I was a little boy we lived in a 200 year old house in Syracuse New
York.  Family story is that when we moved in, just when I was born, the
locals told my parnets not to move the pantern in the front yard because
the builder of the house was burried there and he would haunt the house
if the plantern was moved.  Always being the type to laugh at such
silliness and annoy the neighbors, my mom IMMEDIATELY and wothout
hesitation moved the pantern clear to other side if the yard.  My family
tell many stories of noises, footsteps, chains, screams in the night and
the like but a lot of them are questionable.  The only story i personaly
rmembe rthough is this.  My mom went out one afternoon and left my and 2
of my sister home (babysitting me).  Our kitchen had one of those doors
that you can open the top or bottom half separately.  We know we locked
the door when our mom left and we went upstairs.  We were ahnging out in
my sisters bedroom when we heard a door slam downstairs.  This was an
old house with lots of drafts so this was not to unusual.  My sister,
always paraboid, grabbed baseball bats just in case and we all went down
to check it out.  We found the top half of the kitchen door hangin open.
We closed it, locked it, and went back upstairs assuming we had just not
latched it properly the first time.  A little while later we heard a
slam again.  Again with the baseball bats we went downstairs and found
the bottom half of the door open.  Again we locked it and went upstairs.
A little while later we heard the another slam, again, with baseball
bats, down to the kitchen, and found both halves of the door hangin
open.  We were naturally quite scared at this point.  We closed it
again, locked it again and hudled together to wait for mom to come home.
Mom was home in afew minutes and we told her the story.  She laughed and
said, "must have been the ghost". and that was it.  Whenever something
weird happened in that house we always said "must have been the ghost".

Jim
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: answering the phone before it rings
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:50:06 PDT

In article <1992Aug20.102712.9174@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, on 20 Aug 92 10:27:12 CDT,
christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas) writes:

>Yes, many times - it freaks my roommates out.  Sad story, I once lived
>in a college dorm with a girl that I was placed with.  We had not known
>each other previous to college.  We lived together less than a year, but
>over this time she began to fear me because I would absent mindedly say
>or do things that hadn't happened yet.  The thing is, I wouldn't realize
>it half the time.  I thought it was kind of cool.  She didn't.  Oh well.
>
>Chris.
>

I have the same problem at times. I'll pick up the phone because I
think i've heard it ring and someone is on the other end but the
people in the room say the phone never rang, or i'll answer someone's
question before they ask it. It bothers some people but don't worry,
they eventually get used to it. They just tell other people that i'm
just trying to freek them out (i usually do it when i'm not really
paying attention to whats going on...)

         --Ed
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories