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From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: What the heck does "Acting White" mean??!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:32:35 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1338@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>
>The only way it bothers me is if one "ACTS" white, ie. they are
>

I am getting uneasy more and more when I saw more of these topics
going on.

What's the definition of "acting white", "acting black", or
"acting Asian"?

You should just act yourself, shoudn't you? :)

>-- 
>David Johnson


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From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Mentality of Singaporean (Grossly over generalization)
Followup-To: soc.culture.singapore
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:56:30 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <C1Ix5G.Go6@news.iastate.edu>, s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.135016.9507@philabs.philips.com> ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee) writes:
> >
> > [Sabo (heroic ?) stuff deleted]
> 
> Outstanding..."Sabo-King"...
> 
> Best piece of news on the newsgroup that i've seen in a looooonnnnnnng time!
> (Finally...something interesting has happened)

At the risk of making some overly generalised statements, I will attempt to
point out the importance of Freedom of speech, and the lack of in Singapore.

Simpliest way to silent dissents is to shut 'em up, and the attitude 
propagated by the Singapore political culture can be observed from this
newsgroup. Yes, you have the right to complain and it is IMO an inalienable
right. However, do not assume all administrators will respond the way you've
speculated, I know, I have spoken to some them. We silent oppositions,
silent dissents, silent people who have shown the slightest disrespect to
Singapore (and/or any ornaments that is remotely symbolizing Singapore).
Sure, it is effective, but at what cost ?

Are we so weak in our cognitive ability that we can not tell right from
wrong, that we have to silent the WRONG ? Attack, argue, dispel, yes, but
silent ? All these when Singaporean themselves are arguing for a more open
society, open minded governing ? So are Singaporeans not ready to step into
the new era afterall ???

-Osbert



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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:12031 rec.arts.theatre:4070
From: jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,rec.arts.theatre
Subject: Help!!!!!  Recommendations for scenework...
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


Hi.  I'm looking for some suggestions for a scene I'd like to direct for
my directing class.  It seems my own library is too comedy-heavy.  What I'm
looking is for a comtemporary dramatic/non comic scene.  It need only be
ten pages long or so.  If you all have know some plays where I can draw 
such a scene from...let me know.  I'd rather it not be a Murray Schisgal
or Dario Fo script, as I will later be doing scenes by those playwrights.
Oh...and I'd like a scene with at least two women (their are more women
avaliable for my workshop than men right now).


Please email or post...

PS.  No _Crimes of the Heart_ please.  Already did it.  I have this feeling
someone's going to suggest it. 
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From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Mentality of Singaporean (Grossly over generalization)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:24:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.singapore
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <C1J7qJ.K84@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD) writes:
> 
> Don't think I am capable of discussing this issue.  But just wanted to say a

You already did (discuss) my friend, and I see this as a good sign.

> anti-American (which I'm emphatically not), is the "free for all" in N.A.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> really the next stage in the evolution of a democratic society?  Why ask "is
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[Below self-put-down sentences deleted for clarity]

A good question. However, up till now nobody is really advocating US
as the "perfect" model for Singapore to evolve into, not even people
as obtuse as I am will buy that. Nonetheless I argue that as society
evolves into a sophisticated one, with well educated people as the 
majority, it should be able to tolerate freedom of speech and ideas,
in whatever form, short of anything discriminating, racist, and treachery
IMO. Vulgarity, ugliness, stupidity, disrespectful etc etc are just too
subjective a term and condition to be used to judge a person, an idea,
a posting.

You see, tradition changes (we know that from history), norms and society
standards evolve, if we are blinded by ALL the "traditional thinking"/slogans 
fed down our throats by whatever means, through whatever channels, we are no 
better person now than before we call ourself an educated one.

-Osbert




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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:12046 soc.culture.singapore:544
From: johns@m.mscs.mu.edu (John Simms)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Net etiquette (was Re: Joke about intolerance...)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:32:50 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: m.mscs.mu.edu

In article <1993Jan28.120141.26667@nuscc.nus.sg> isc10295@nusunix1.nus.sg
(QUEK KENG OEI) writes:
>
>	As Spock (in Startrek II) said :"The needs of the many outweigh the
>needs of the few".

As Kirk said in Startrek III:

     "The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many."

And aren't we happy that we got Spock back?

P.S.  I think `few' should be `one'.
From: tyoon@husc8.harvard.edu (Tehshik Yoon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Racial Purity
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:34:46 GMT


OK, ladies and gentlemen of the net, let me clear up something here.

When most of you talk about racial purity, you seem to be talking about
giving birth to genetically superior humans.  This is, frankly,
disgusting.  We are not talking about horses, or corn, or any other
organism that is bred and sold.  Human children, whether "pure" or not,
are products of a loving relationship (we hope) between two individuals. 
Whether pure or mixed race, they are humans, and as such, deserve to be
treated as such and not as cattle.

Thank you.  I feel much better now.  :)
Tehshik
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: US honours the Rooster
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:24:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

US honours the rooster

Stamp commemorates the Chinese New Year

By Anthony Blass in Hongkong

In his cramped and cluttered office, which is bigger than a 
broom closet but only slightly, an overworked Hongkong stamp 
dealer awaits his largest order of US stamps in 12 years of 
philatelic commerce.

By the end of January the collector, Desmond Lau, should 
receive 6,000 freshly minted US New Year's stamps 
emblazoned with a golden rooster against a red background. 
Each postmark carries two Chinese characters confirming what 
the picture implies: That 1993 is the Year of the Rooster. It is the 
first-ever US stamp commemorating the Chinese New Year, 
which this year falls on 23 January, and interest among Asian 
collectors is high. "They will sell fast," predicts Lau. "In one 
day."

B e c a u s e the US Postal Service will circulate nearly 150 
million Chinese New Year stamps, Asian investors know the 29-
cent domestic postmark promises little beyond aesthetic and 
sentimental value. But others believe its true value is its 
diplomatic currency. "I think this is something the US 
Government has learned from the Chinese," said a Peking 
scholar. "China has been doing this sort of thing since the early 
1970s, with its pingpong diplomacy and its pandas."

China in 1980 first issued a stamp honouring the Year of the 
Monkey, followed in successive years by the 11 remaining 
animals of the Chinese zodiac. Japan, Hongkong, Taiwan and 
Thailand also release similar New Year stamps.

Nearly three years ago, US postal officials and a citizen's group 
began discussing a commemorative stamp for Chinese New 
Year. Various images were considered, including exploding 
fireworks, a party hat with streamers and a baby tugging at the 
beard of an old man. "There aren't a lot of images that represent 
the new year," says Frank Thomas, a US Postal Service 
spokesman, "but the Chinese New Year is recognized." Any 
diplomatic significance, he added, is merely coincidental. 
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From: pld@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul DuBois)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ucb.general
Subject: Physics and CS Books for sale
Date: 23 Jan 1993 09:32:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: ucb
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

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		Marion & Thornton
		$37.00

CS 60A		Structure and Interp... Instructor's manual
		(recommended, not required)
		$15.00

CS 172		Computers and Intractability
		Garey and Johnson
		$15.00

CS 188		Common Lispcraft
		Wilensky
		$25.00

CS 188		Intro to AI
		Charniak & McDermott
		$32.00

Reply via email or call 848-5302; ask for Paul.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jsl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (J. Shawn Landres)
Subject: Student & Youth Socio-Political Organizations -- Esp. Asian-American!
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:39:01 GMT

I'm doing an extended research and writing project on the political
socialization of the younger cohort of the twentysomething generation (born
between 1967 and 1981). My focus is on broad trends in sociopolitical 
attitudes, efficacy, and participation. 

Can anyone:
1) recommend primary (or close secondary) source material
and/or
2) send me contact names and numbers at organizations set up and run by members
of this generational cohort ?

Please be aware that this is *not* an examination of student activism per se
nor is it limited to any part of the political spectrum. I need all sides and
all viewpoints.

Thanks much,

Shawn Landres
jsl7@columbia.edu
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: na

hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong) writes:
|Darryl Wong, a quarterback from my high school (Lowell of San Francisco), 
                ^^^^^^^^^^^
|had a free-agent tryout with the 49ers back in '84 or so.
                                  ^^^^^

I'm not surprised that he didn't make the team...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
From: s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera)
Subject: Re: Net etiquette (was Re: Joke about intolerance...)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:41:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.135016.9507@philabs.philips.com> ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee) writes:
>
>I sent a message to root@andrew.cmu.edu yesterday morning, complaining 
>the behavior of Rikiya Asano (ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu) over this news group.  
>By afternoon, the system administrator there acknowledged.  Judging from
>the fact that Rikiya Asano issued an apology this morning, someone at CMU
>must have given him a lecture on net etiquette.
>
>The next time someone uses vulgarity over the network and make inflammatory
>remarks (such as equating Singaporean with Japanese), it is not worthwhile
>to lower ourself to his level and get into a shouting match.  What usually
>works is to find out what organization the offender belongs to, then send 
>mail to "root" there, attaching a copy of the offending message, and let 
>them take care of the offender.
>
>I hope we all become a little smarter after this recent incidence.
>--
>Nai-Chi (the "Sabo-King")

Outstanding..."Sabo-King"...

Best piece of news on the newsgroup that i've seen in a looooonnnnnnng time!
(Finally...something interesting has happened)

Thanks again.

the little tan man
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:26:00 GMT

In article <30DTXB6w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry
Greenfield) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>> However, if Ms. Ayala is referring to Taiwan, then note that Taiwan is
>> part of the PRC and that Taiwan was fortunate enough to have been occupied
>Huh?  Gee, I'd like to know where you get your "information" Dwight. 
>Taiwan is NOT part of the PRC, no matter how much Beijing wishes it 
>were.

I refer Mr. Greenfield to the papers that normalized relations between

          (1) the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the U.S.A.
          (2) the PRC and Japan
          (3) the PRC and South Korea (1992)

As is customary in a civil war, the winning side is the one that is recognized.

The situation between the Chinese-cu gov't on Taiwan and the Chinese-cu gov't
on the PRC is a stalemated civil war.  Both claim control of approximately
the same regions, which includes Taiwan.

Since the Taiwanese-ci on Taiwan haven't had the guts to declare independence,
then the West and Japan can do nothing.  They have already recognized the
side (the PRC side) that they believe to be the legitimate gov't of the
region encompassing the PRC and Taiwan.  From a political point of view, the
gov't on Taiwan doesn't exist in the eyes of the West and Japan.

Further, U.S. policy should be consistent with their having chosen the
side that they want to recognize.  Namely, all weapons sales to Taiwan
should be halted, and the immigration quota of about 50,000 (if memory
serves) for Taiwan should be eliminated.  Any Taiwanese-ci wishing to 
emigrate to the U.S.A. must first obtain a visa from the gov't on the PRC and
should be placed on the PRC's emigration quota.

It's too bad if the Taiwanese-ci don't like this consistency that _should_ be
implemented in U.S. foreign policy.  This is the _price_ of lacking the guts
to declare independence.

The current U.S. policy to sell weapons to Taiwan would be like the P.R.C.
selling weapons to California to encourage it's secession.  Both positions
are inappropriate.

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From: q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Experiencing racism...
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:32:40 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: usa,soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1993Jan26.115631.17027@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: 
> timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes: 
>> 
>> Most racial prejudice and discrimination these days is covert,
>> which is much harder to detect in individual cases [much deleted]
> 
> This racism thing (excuse the George Bushism ;-) has a lot
> of currency these days, especially on college campuses.
> 
> If we take an analytic approach to the current discourse, the
> subject becomes murky very fast.  This might be a shortcoming
> of the analytic approach, but more likely has to do with the
> political contexts of the discourse.  Here's some quick impressions.
> Maybe others will be able to correct what I say, or add to it
> for further discussion.
>
Oooops. stupid vmsnews posted this thing while I was still in
the middle.

Now that lots of people say that racism in the classical sense
seems on the wane we hear more talk moving away from the
individual racism (where there are clearcut legal sanctions against
these forms of deliberate and intentional discrimination/racism)
to talk about collective racisms.  These are much more complex,
and sometimes I wonder if *anyone* has analytical thought this
through (besides the neo-Marxist theoreticians, who imho are
a big pain in the ass).  So here are the new buzzwords to discuss:

institutional racism, subtle racism, covert racism, 
endemide, cultural imperialism, racism-as-demonstrated-by-statistics,
non-intentional racism, unconscious racism, systemic racism.

comments?  (I do not mean to make fun of these, rather to clear the air)
genocide, cu
>
From: devesh@bombay.oracle.com (A Rice Queen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Joke
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: devesh@bombay.oracle.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan21.142503.10487@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin  
Uthayanaka) writes:
> Thought you guys and gals might need a break from this heavy discussion:
> (I saw it in soc.culture.vietnamese)
> 
> 
[joke deleted]

brilliant one :) 

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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: "Rising Sun" (was Re: Fuck Michael Crichton)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:35:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.101036.5751@hplb.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>>The danger, IMHO, is that as fiction, it has no accountability, yet
>>many people appear to be taking it as fact.  Recently, someone posted
>>a huge (~1500 line) diatribe called "JapanYes" about how those evil
>>sneaky Japanese are taking over our beloved America.  The afterword
>>cited Crichton's "Rising Sun" as a reference.  That's pretty scary in my book.
>
>Yes, I remember this.  Clare posted it here last October; it was originally
>cross-posted to alt.politics.elections, alt.politics.perot, alt.politics.bush,
>and alt.politics.clinton.  Here's the afterword, which calls for a boycott
>of Japanese imports.  (Rikiya, you probably want to skip this. :-)

  Yep, it was disturbing because during the election there was a lot
  of anti-Japanese sentiment and each of the candidates, esp among
  the perot and clinton camp. 
>
>The trouble is, this kind of boycott doesn't address the underlying
>structural problems -- the national deficit, problems with the political
>system, lack of resources to support American military commitments, problems
>with industry, the cost and weaknesses of the public education and health
>systems, etc.  And the accompanying rhetoric which blames the Japanese for
>America's problems, describing the current situation as an "economic war",
>is likely to increase hostility towards Asian Americans.

  Yep, about the only likely side-effect.  More killings of "Japanese
  businessmen" in L.A. likely...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Request?
From: guest23@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:55:51 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

Hi,

	It's been a while since I read/posted to the news to if I do not 
observe some rules of netiquette (sp?) please ignore.

	What I did want to talk about was the language used in some of the 
postings that I have read. I do realize that many of these issues are 
emotional and people resort to the use of obscenities. 

	We can go into a whole freedom of speech thing, but this is only a 
request nothing more.  I guess I'm from the position that most obsenities 
and swear words can be left unsaid. And if your argument is less emotional 
the more likely it will be better accepted. 	

	Writing obscenities does not help me to see your point of view. It 
only helps me to see that you will not step back and speak from a less 
emotional or personal point of view which would definitely be better for 
discourse and discussion. In addition, obscenities in sprinkled liberally 
only distract from the effectiveness from what you are saying. I realize in 
some cases, certain words are used to release frustration and anger - in 
those cases, I suggest you move to alt.flames or some other appropriate news 
group.  Shouldn't this place be one of discussion and openness, not anger 
and words that do not build up but tear down?

	Yes, there will be people who do not agree with you, or who you do 
not agree with. Try to convince them instead of yelling at them and angering 
them. (in addition to letting your blood pressure rise to dangerous degrees!)
  Yelling and swearing at someone or their ideas will not convince them that 
you are right - which is what I assume you are trying to do. It will only 
make them more adamant in what they are saying....

	Well, that's about all I have to say. I probably talked too much 
anyways. This isn't my home account - it's an anonymous account, so those 
who want to email me - email at plee@pacnet.pac.wesleyan.edu 

					plee@pacnet.pac.wesleyan.edu
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