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From: bem@a.cs.okstate.edu (Blayne Mayfield)
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead returns to PBS
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:59:41 GMT

From article <1992Sep02.005623.6938@mixcom.com>, by Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com (Joe.Russ):
> 
> On November 14 (in the Milwaukee, Wis. area) the first of 13 new
> episodes of the Channels 10/36 produced program "Tracks Ahead" will
> air on Channel 10 at 6:30 p.m.
>
> [...]
>      Joe R.
> -- 
> Joe.Russ@mixcom.com

Does anyone know when and where these episodes will be transmitted via 
satellite to PBS affiliates?

Blayne
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Computer Science Department                Email:  bem@a.cs.okstate.edu
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Stillwater, Oklahoma
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Poster Child Against Meal Plan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: N Y Crossharbor RR
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Two requests: 
First, what was the name of the magazine that had the article in it about the
NYCRR?  Was it 'railpace'?  If that is it, my university doesn't seem to have
it... any idea where i might find it?

Also, who knows about that blue caboose that's just sitting north of the old
yard for the Bay Ridge Line?  Definitely (maybe) it's crossharbor's... saw a 
water tank toppled over from the window that had NY Crossharbor RR stenciled
onto it.

mark foggin
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: peter@cs.vu.nl (Grunwald PD)
Subject: Re: Most spectacular passenger routes
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:38:12 GMT

djenkins@axion.bt.co.uk (David Jenkins) writes:


>In article <sam.1ajy@terapin.com>, sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit) writes:
>|> We've seen the thread on the 10 top western RR shrines, how about
>|> this one...
>|> The most spectacular PASSENGER rail routes in the world.
>|> 

To me, by far the most spectacular ride was the train on the (Italian) island
of Sardinia from Arbatax to Cagliari (in fact,the fun bit is from Arbatax to
Mandas: great, I mean great mountains...and what a ride!)

The train is called 'Il Trenino Verde' (little green train)

It's almost undescribable.

It takes eight hours for about 180 kilometres (correct me if I'm wrong)

The main reason is not that it goes through the mountains, or that it is very
slow by itself (very narrow track, very old carriages) but the fact that the
company that built the thing some 100 years ago got paid _for each kilometre
of rail_, NOT for each kilometre air-distance between Arbatax and Cagliari.

This means: almost no tunnels or bridges, but endless, I mean endless curves.

If you're ever out there, don't miss it!

Ciao,


Peter
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From: jps@dworkin.wustl.edu (James Sterbenz)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: What is an interlocking? (was: Signal type)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:11:28 GMT
Organization: Washington University,  St Louis MO

In article <1992Aug30.015917.10498@ee.ryerson.ca> cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) writes:

>Interlocking signals not only give an indication regarding the occupancy
>but also to the route to be taken -- it is interlocked to the track
>switches.  The term interlock goes back to the days when signals were
>controlled by a series of rods and levers that made a mechanical
>connection to a control tower.  Where a signal was protecting a controlled
>switch, the mechanical control was interlocked to the switch linkage.

This is esentially correct; Jon abnd Doug have, already refined this so 
I'll just not when an interlocking has nothing to do with a switch:
a diamond (crossing at grade of 2 tracks).  The signals must be 
interlocked so that only one track at a time can shoe clear.  And
this does corresponding to seting up a route; it is just for one track
or the other.

--
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                472 Wheelers Farms Rd. MS93           jpgs@watson.vnet.ibm.com
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From: jps@dworkin.wustl.edu (James Sterbenz)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Signal type (was: Re: Semaphore Signals)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:16:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Washington University,  St Louis MO

As Jon described, interlocking signals always default to stop; in CTC
territory block signals generally default to red and in ABS territory
block signals generally default to clear.

The reason that you generally see multiple head signals red, is that
these are usually interlocking signals.  Stop at interlockings is
absolute (stop and stay); stop at block signals is permissive (stop
and proceed at restricting speed or restricting depending on the
road).

So the way to tell an interlocking signal (other than by seeing the
corresponding interlocking :-) is by observing whether or not the
signal is an absolute stop.  This is done in several ways, again
depending on the road.

In general, blocks signals are single head.  the exception to this is
when advance approach is indicated by double yellow (as opposed to the
single flashing yellow used by some roads), or the signal before an
interlocking which must be able to display approach medium (usually
yellow over green or double yellow) approach slow.  In this case the
signal is distinguished as a permissive signal by either staggering
the heads or by the presence of a number plate, or both.  Interlocking
signals are usually 2 or 3 head, do not have a number plate, and are
vertically aligned.  Some roads will occasionally use single head
interlocking signals when only a straight route can be set (e.g. at a
diamond or on a main track at the end of a parallel passing siding).
In this case something must be added; it is usually a plate with the
letter "A" (for absolute).

Thus:

O    O    O    O    O
|   O|   O|    O    O
|    |   O|    |    O
#    #    #    #    #
|    |    |    |    | 

permissive block signals (the side of the stagger varies by road)


O    O    O
|    O    O
|    |    O
A    |    |
|    |    |

absolute interlocking signals


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From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Bay Ridge Line and possibly other NYC lines.
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:08:32 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


 On a related note, in an "Equalizer" episode, a clairvoient sees a
number, and it references a subway car in a boneyard in the NYC area.

 Can anyone describe more details about this boneyard? Is it
accessible to the public? Is it in a dangerous area? It looked
like a haven for homeless/druguser types. Is this stock that is
on the way to the cutter?

 Thanks.


Randy Lambertus               Cray Research, Region 4            rl@uk.cray.com
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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: Tractive Effort Curves and Formula etc
Keywords: technical, tractive effort
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 27 AUG 92 16:22:20    

In article <1992Aug12.174000.1045@meiko.com>, paull@kingdom.co.uk (Paul Lee)
writes
>Can anybody tell me any good sources for finding out about tractive effort
>curves, braking curves resistance curves etc etc or and articles about the
>mechanics of running trains. I have quite a lot already but it would be really
>good to find out some more.

	Welllll, transcribing my book collection not being practical...  8)>>

	Probably the most acessible is one of the

		Electrical Engineers Handbooks

	McGraw-Hill does one, there are others.  Thin paper, high density
	knowledge.  Chapters on diesel-Electric & Straight electric.  The only
	weakness is need to find an older one for decent steam coverage.

	There are books of professional RR Engineering, but they are a tad tough
	to find, haunting flea markets & used book stores can work, but takes
	time.

thanks
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From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: frequencies wanted for north-east corridor
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:14:26 GMT

What frequencies does Amtrak use on the North-East Corridor?  I have
the Ente ``Northeast Railfan Timetable'', which lists 160.920,
160.800, and 161.070 -- are there others?  Any other good frequencies
to listen to on a trip from Newark to Baltimore?  I've got the Ente
lists for Conrail, D&H, NJ Transit, CSX, and Septa programmed in
my scanner -- any others?  Will I hear much MARC traffic, given
that I'm getting off at Baltimore?
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jimsp@strider (James Spears)
Subject: Re: Steam at the Oregon State Fair
Organization: Intel Development Tools Operation, Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.133353.11432@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger) writes:
]     Last year's Grand Safety Station (Operation Lifesaver) exhibit at the
]Oregon State Fair must have been a success, because it's back again this
]year.  This time around, though, the 4449 and SP&S 700 will be sharing the
]spotlight, as both arrived in Salem yesterday.  Last year 4449 was at the
]fair at the beginning, but had to leave for Dunsmuir for some "fence-mend-
]ing" trips to bolster SP's image after their Cantara derailment.  The 700
]then took it's place at the fair.  

]     The fair starts today and runs through Labor Day.  I don't know if there
]will be any other locomotives on display (like last year), but if there are,
]I hope the steamers don't get in the way of photographing the diesels :-) :-).

Don't worry John there wont't be any diesels there this year. :-j
And besides all the good pictures were on the trip down to the fair with the engins double heading with a *Very* mixed consist of passenger equipment.

]John
]-- 
]John Mosbarger
]HP McMinnville, OR
]johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com

James Spears
Crew SP&S 700
jimsp@strider.hf.intel.com

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From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Signal type (was: Re: Semaphore Signals)
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:30:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.Bts4IF.Cw0
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) writes:

>From my understanding, with many American railroads, the "A" has
>the absolute meaning.

Many other American railroads don't use the ``A'' at all.  As has been
noted by various other posters, it is very common that an absolute signal
is simply identified by a lack of number plate.  My experience seems to
indicate that all Canadian signals are numbered, whether absolute or
permissive.
-- 
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Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re:  High Speed Rail in Southern California
Organization: LLNL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:24:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.050703.28934@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ba903@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles P. Hobbs) writes:
>In a 1991 report put out by California, some consideration is given
>to extending two San Joaquins between Los Angeles and Bakersfield, via
>the Tehachapi Loop.

>710 and 711 would be extended, adding an additional 5-6 hours to the trip. 

	Looking at my CA Amtrak schedule, I discover that this part of
the trip would be done at night (leave LA in the evening / arrive at
LA in the morning), which will probably be a disappointment for all
your railfans...

>It was stressed that service along this portion of the route
> would be non time sensitive....

	Given the mountains that the LA -- Bakersfield goes through,
one should not be too surprised... I checked a map recently and the
mountain parts of the line were _very_ curvy.

>No definite plans have been set for this service, but I'd look for it
>in 2-3 years....

Newsgroups: rec.railroad,ba.transportation,talk.politics.misc,talk.environment
From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Cost of transit systems vs highways
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:46:08 GMT

In article <o8g8PB1w165w@Garg.Campbell.CA.US>, Zio zZz <zio@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:
|> Well, only one minor quibble...when the train goes into the transbay tube 
|> I get a bit stressed...from my ears responding to the air pressure.  I 
|> sure wish there was a way to avoid that.  It's an extremely minor 
|> quibble, sure, but one that I'd love to fix!

Not cheap or easy to fix.  The new German Federal Railways ICE (Inter
City Express) high speed trainsets feature pressurized cabins.  This
was all to prevent passengers' ears from "popping" when entering tunnels
and when an opposing train passes.  The problem gets worse the faster
you're going... (but the French don't pressurize the TGVs and they go
even faster than the much newer German ICEs!  Germany suffered from a
bad case of "not invented here" {besides, they don't like the French
all that much} so they had to try to redo the high speed train.  They
wound up with a slower, heavier, more complex, more expensive, and so
far less reliable train than the French have had for over 10 years.
Kind of reminds me of BART in some ways.)

-- 

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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: more on Amtrak's purchase of NY GPO
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:00:06 GMT


This month's NARP news has a full page article on the proposed GPO
(General Post OFfice) purchase.  Current plans are to leave the exterior
and most of the interior intact, but remove newer construction in an
interior courtyard.  This would become cglass-topped and used for a
waiting area and retail shops.  There would be  street-level entrances
from the two 8th ave, corners.  Direct access to tracks 5-16 would be
installed, and the loading dock between the older half of the building and
the annex would become a taxi and auto drop-off point.  Subway and
commutter access would be made by extending the mezzanine that's located
between the subway and Amtrak lines.  The proposed 42nd street Light Rail
(!) would be extended at street level from Javits Center.  The $100
million needed would be taken from money budgeted for remodeling Penn
Station, and from prvate developers seeking retail space.
<taken without permission and paraphrased from NARP News August 1992>

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From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Subject: Re: A few interurban questions
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:01:29 GMT


In a previous article, mitch@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mitch Blank) says:

>| Jon Roma writes:
>| M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:
>| >In article <1992Aug24.011145.5059@gw.wmich.edu>
>| >31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>| >Again, the
>| >definitive answer to all questions about Midwestern interurbans is
>| >contained in the relevant volume from the CERA.
>| 
>| Quite definitely, although many of the CERA volumes are nearly impossible
>| to find.
>
>Yes.  It would be nice of some of these rare ones like `TM' would be
>reprinted at some time.
>
>						Mitch
>
>P.S:  If anyone has a copy of CERA's `TM' for sale, I am looking for one.


  What does CERA stand for?
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From: Mark Klayum
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Santa Fe #3751
Keywords: 3751
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:52:07 GMT
Reply-To: klayum@adcalc.fnal.gov
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fermilab


I'm looking for information on the Santa Fe #3751 trip to Chicago.
It should be arriving on Sept. 9    

Anyone have schedule information as to; Times, Towns, and Places it will pass
thru in and out of Chicago, and where it will be kept overnight?

Reply or E-mail

Thanks

- Mark Klayum
- Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
From: desherry@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (douglas.e.sherry)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Reading 2100 information
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:50:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Sep3.195034.25903
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep3.173909.8705@pellns.alleg.edu> pgifford@reis36.alleg.edu (Pete Gifford) writes:
>I recently had the chance to visit the Blue Mountain and Reading Railroad  
>in Reading/Hamburg, PA.  They have a restored Baldwin-built Reading 2100  
>steam locomotive, Number 2102 I beleive.  Can anyone offer suggestions of  
Minor Point, the 2100's were built in the Reading shops, not Baldwin.
>how to get more information about these wonderful machines?
>
There is a book about the T1 engines, I don't have the title handy. Also the
book Reading Power Picturial has info about the T1 engines.
>Thanks,
>
>Pete Gifford
>pgifford@alleg.edu
>
>PS> Oddly enough, 2102 is not run much on the BM&R.  They use their 1920's  
>(?) Baldwin-built 4-6-2, number 425, for their regular runs and  
>excursions.  Go figure!
>
The 2102 is currently undergoing maint, but is used some on the Reading,Blue 
Mountain, and Northern.


Doug Sherry
desherry@aloft.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: Bay Ridge Line and possibly other NYC lines.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:17:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.082525.33345@watson.ibm.com>
mer@zurich.ibm.com writes:
 
>
>In  <1992Aug25.041533.15635@news.columbia.edu>  brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
>> >Anyone know anything concrete about LIRR's Bay Ridge Line?
>>
>
>
>The Transit Authority used to run Freight service under the F train
>elevated (MacDonald Avenue).
>
>What service was that? Did they give it up because of traffic congestion?
>Did it it run on former trolley tracks?
>
It was the "South Brooklyn Railway".  I THOUGH it was still in sporadic
operation, but it may not be.  It was used by the TA for delivery of subway
cars and also had some general freight customers, though they may have "dried
up and blown away" by now.  I believe it was on former trolley tracks.
 
 
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From: vaughnw@asia.fai.com (Vaughn Wolffe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: _Scientific American_ profiles Maglev Trains
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:23:33 GMT


>From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
>When you quote '2/3 the air fare', which value do you place on it. The 
>"full' normal fare, or the 'supersaver' lossleader fares which only
>come out during fare wars?




The report was last Nov. before the fare wars. I believe it was based
upon average fares at the time.


   Vaughn Wolffe        vaughnw@hadar.fai.com
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Disposition of D&RGW remains
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:02:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
>   Don't forget the D&RG "Chili Line" from Antonito, CO to Santa Fe, NM!  It 
> was built after the D&RG lost Raton Pass to the ATSF and was intended (I 
> think) to eventually extend down to Mexico via SP predicessor El Paso North 
> Eastern, in competition with Santa Fe's line.  ATSF did it's best to styme 
> the D&RG's plans, and finally the narrow guage to Santa Fe (NM) was torn up 
> in 1942.  The only remnant is the standard-guage spur to the Perlite plant 
> south of town.  I understand much of the narrow-guage rail and fixtures was 
> sent to Alaska for their narrow guage!

Which would be (just so there's no confusion) the White Pass & Yukon, *not*
the Alaska RR, which is standard gauge.  BTW, what exactly is "narrow gauge 
rail"?  I can imagine that lighter rail might be used on a narrow gauge line,
but does the rail really care what gauge it's laid at?

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