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From: stlouis@unixg.ubc.ca (Phill St. Louis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Toronto Blue Jays Email Mailing List
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:15:14 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
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Originator: stlouis@unixg.ubc.ca

For those Jays fans who missed the previous announcements, here is the
final posting (I promise) regarding the Jays mailing list.  The list
was established at the end of July and has grown steadily.  There are
now 70 subscribers.  The purpose of the list is to serve as an alternative
discussion medium.  The traffic on the list is extremely low compared to
rec.sport.baseball, but there are usually several postings per day.

For inning-by-inning updates of important game results, there is a subset
update list.  This is being used for all of the World Series games.  Those
subscribers overseas or stuck at work during the games will get the results
at the end of every inning.

Send requests to jays-request@hivnet.ubc.ca or to stlouis@unixg.ubc.ca.

Phill
From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:54:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Oct7.160236.9125
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Forget about the numbers.  You're not going to be able to glean anything 
from the black-and-white box scores of such a small number of games.  But 
as a fan who is very much rooting for the Pirates and Bonds, I'm keeping 
an eye out as to whether he's going to continue to go up to the plate and
swing at absolute crap, as he did in the entire series last year and
started up again in his first at-bat last night.  I said it last year and
I'll say it again: there's no question in my mind that Bonds has changed
his approach at the plate in the postseason, and it can't be entirely
explained by the quality and makeup of the Braves' pitching.  Jose Lind
wouldn't have bit on those first three pitches from Smoltz. 

Bonds did seem to settle down in the final three at-bats, taking the walk 
in one of them.  Let's watch the games and see if this continues, or if 
Bonds reverts to trying to hit three-run homers with the bases empty... 

---
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Digital Equipment Corporation
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:41:49 -0400 
From: Eric Alva Dunmire <ed19+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pirates woofing

>  Geez.  If it's this bad now, imagine what it will be like if the
>Pirates win tonight, and win games during the world series...
> 
>  Perhaps one good thing for Atlanta : Dave Justice hit 2 home runs
>himself, plus a single.  At least he knows that he wasn't part of
>the problem.
>  Of course, any of these big-scoring one-sided games could be blamed
>on the poor starting pitcher performance.  Drabek in Games 1 and 4.
>Avery in Game 5.  Glavine in Game 6.
>  I think it's safe to say that Atlanta's survival depends on Smoltz
>keeping his head (and arm) tonight for at least the first half of
>the game.  Who will be pitching for the Pirates tonight?


Drabek is starting for the Bucs!  He cann't possibly have a third bad
game. I look for him to go all 9 innings.  This seems to be the trend
when a Pirate pitcher is on his game this series.
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: Canadians in MLB
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:06:20 GMT


In article <Bw84CC.IvL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
> Someone asked about the percentage of Canadians on the Blue Jays vs. the 
> Americans on the Pens, that's easy because the Jays have none. 

True, though they have had in their past, such as Dave MacKay and Rob
Ducey. Do you count the front office? President Beeston is from
Welland, Ontario.

> The Pens have
> Kevin Stevens and Tom Barrasso (and undoubtably others) 

"Undoubtably others"?  Who besides the front office? According to SI,
the NHL made up of 17 % US, 12 % Europe, and the rest Canadian. 2 out
of 20-24 is not too far from 17%. Who are your others?

>and the Jays have two
> Dominicans (Lee and Griffin, I think) 

How about Guzman? He got here from D.R. 60'6" at a time. :-) (TSN commercial)

> and a Puerto Rican (Alomar) but as far
> as I know, the rest are American.

I'm not sure where Maldonado is from, but suspect outside the U.S.

> The only Canadians in the majors are Larry Walker of the Expos and Denis 
> Boucher of the Indians, that I know of. Rheal Cormier of the Cards has the 
> name, but I don't know where he's from.

Cormier is from New Brunswick; this has been on the net several times.
The Expos also used Matt Stairs for a time, giving them a 2/3 Canuck
outfield.  The Red Sox have pitchers Mark Gard(i?)ner and Peter Hoy
(well, Hoy spent most of the year in the minors, but some in the
majors). And how 'bout Mr. Good-Hit-No-Field himself, Kevin Reimer of
the Rangers?

> Ted Kury 

Look, not many of us keep a rule book or baseball reference material
at their desks at work or school, but you could really check a few
facts before you make statements like "undoubtably others" and "the
rest are American". At least you qualified "the only Canadians in the
majors are" with a "that I know of."

-- 
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From: hora@ecf.toronto.edu (HO ROBERT ANDREW)
Subject: Re: Jays vs. Braves.
Keywords: Morris vs. Smoltz
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:31:04 GMT

In article <900449f.2.719256322@ace.acadiau.ca> 900449f@ace.acadiau.ca (NORMAN THOMAS FERGUSON) writes:
>I was scanning through some baseball bulletinbs written by everyone out 
>there.  Apparently there are a lot of Braves fans. I must admit, the Braves 
>are my favorite NL team, but my all-time favorite is the Toronto Blue Jays.  
>This is a different story now.  Braves fans, all I can say is wake up.  No 
>amount of tomahawk (sp?) chopping is going to win the series for you.  Let 
>me give you the world series champions 1992 lineup:
>Devon White
>Roberto Alomar (1992 AL MVP, Gold Glove, World Series MVP)
>Joe Carter (pure power)
>Dave Winfield (what can I say)
>John Olerud (#1 lefty-he'll burn the Braves pitching)
>Candy Maldonado (2,3, maybe 4 Hr's in series)
>Kelly Gruber (pure defense)
>Pat Borders (cannon behind the plate)
>Manuel (a.k.a. Manny) Lee 
>

Don't forget that during the Atlanta games, Maldanado or Olerud will be 
riding the bench.  Advance word is that Olerud will sit when a lefty is
started, with Winfield in right and Carter at first.  Against righties,
Winfield will apparently replace Maldanado in left.  And while Alomar is
clearly the best second baseman in the AL, Blauser and Pendleton are a much
more impressive duo at the plate than Gruber and Lee.  Throw in possibly
two starts by Jack Morris (maybe even three (ugh) if they go 7 games and
Cito sticks with the three man rotation) and it isn't as clear cut as you
think.  I love the Jays and hope they win, but I still don't see any 
significant advantages for them except the bullpen.  This should be one
great series.



>Maybe someone out there can give an in depth overview of the Braves.  
>
>Norm Ferguson  Acadia University Nova Scotia


-- 
Robert Ho
Univ. of Toronto
hora@ecf.toronto.edu
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:17:54 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <d1lpqxl@lynx.unm.edu>, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Count" Bose) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.144529.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>In Game 4 of the ALCS, with the Jays up 2 games to 1 and looking to
>>deal a killing blow to the A's, Jack Morris was taken out of the
>>game in the 5th inning, leaving two men on with one out.  Toronto
>>trailed 5-1.
>>
>>Any bets on whether Cito will start him in Game 7?
> 
> Yeah, but you forgot to mention how Morris knuckled down and kept that sixth
> run from coming in, with that clutch double play ball he threw.  This should
> prove more than anything that he is a clutch performer.

Come to think of it, I'd have to nominate Mark McGwire for all-time Playoff
Choker (TM)!  He had Sierra on, two out in the 11th, a HR would've given 
Oakland the win, and he only hit a fly ball.  I say, pinch-hit for Mark if he
can't produce in those situations!  Geez!

> (for those of you who can't hear the sarcasm in my voice, :):):):):):)  )
   ""  ""    "" ""  ""  ""    ""   ""  ""      "" "" ""     ""
-- 
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	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
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From: desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael de Souza)
Subject: Re: 15 Years of the Blue Jays
Summary: Canadiens
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:38:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.181311.8503@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, schablan@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Sanjiv Chablaney) writes:
> 
> 	15 Years Toronto Blue Jays have waited for this moment.
> 	15 Years we've had to hear from the American media  and
> 		American fans , how a Canadian team 
> 		will never or should never make it
> 		to the World Series.
> 	Well, it all ends today.
> 
> 	Today, October 12th, at around 6:30 pm, the torch will
> 		be passed, the flag will be raised.
> 
> 	America's Greatest Game will officially be a Canadian Past Time.
> 

How many Canadiens play for the Jays, and their Canadien past time?
From: vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dream World Series Matchup
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:33:33 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <h0mpa#l@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:

|In article <QeqWA8C00WBK46tHBl@andrew.cmu.edu> tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce) writes:

|>The name is Wakefield. As in: Tim Wakefield. Apparently you like to get his
|>name correct about as much as Tim McCarver.

|Of course, what I would like to see is Al Weiss batting against Bill Wakefield.

That's okay, all one fantasy season I kept trying to call Mike Moore "Donnie
Moore." Slight difference, methinks.
-- 
Dustin Emhart                       |  CS Majors: We do more after 11 pm than
Georgia Institute of Technology     |  most people do all day.
Internet: vaps0de@prism.gatech.edu  |        -- me
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: A Real Test for the Jays.
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:14:22 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


When the Blue-Jays enter Toronto with a 3-2 lead in the ALCS,
ironically they will be the one who will be under maximum
pressure to get the job done.  The Jays have GOT to prove
to their fans that they are champs and not chokers.

When the Jays lost today, many of the Jays fan would have
felt: Oh....here we go again......

However, they have to get the Job done in Game-6 and treat
G-6 as if it were G-7. They should NOT look forward to G-7.


Guzman will be under considerable pressure, coming of a
3-days rest, while his opponent on the mound, Moore is
on a 4 day rest and he thrives in the Sky-dome and is
more experienced than Guzman.  But waiting for G-7 can
back fire.

But the As will be desperate themselves, and one can
expect their hitters to try to rock Guzman early. Another
thing working in the As favor is that, after the ALCS
was expanded to a 7 game format from a 5 game format,
no series has been decided in 6 games. It has been 
either 4 or 5 or 7. IMO, the As are the favorites
for G-6.


Wishing the js and their apprehensive fans all the
luck....they reallyh need it.

But, the best team always win and winners are NOT chokers.

If the Js choke again, their fans should shed no tear
on them on squandering this lead.

S.H
Forever Twins
From: mike@pencom.com (Mike Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baerga
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:46:43 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software, Austin, TX

In article <6906@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> traven+@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes:
>My Duerk's Electronic Baseball Encyclopedia lists Pags with 116 defensive games
>at 3B, someone named Eddie Williams with 13, and Paul 'Always Kidded about my
>Name' Faries with 1.  Who played the rest of those 1990 Pods games at 3B?

Bip Roberts, 56 games.	STATS 1991 Major League Handbook.

-- 
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: The origin of the _World_ Series
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:49:41 GMT

In article <14OCT199200170079@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.215411.2254@athena.mit.edu>, herrera@athena.mit.edu (Ramon F Herrera) writes...
>> 
>>Can somebody explain the origin of the name "World Series"?
>>A friend of mine says that the first such competition
>>was sponsored by some NYC newspaper called "The World". 
>>Can anyone confirm/deny this?  Any references?
>> 
>	Actually, the original "World Series" took place between Boston
>and Pittsburgh in 1903; the new york papers had nothign to do with it.  At
>the time, baseball was still the ONLY sport, and the owners of the two teams
>in the rival American and National leagues decided to face each other in a
>best 5-of-9 series, to determine the "World" champion.  At the time, the
>name "World" made sense, since the team owners happened to think on a very
>broad scale.

I'm under the impression that the New York World did sponsor a championship-
type series in the nineteenth century for a few years, and that the 1903 
World Series took its name from that earlier event.
-- 
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From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Doc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves in Fulton for '93?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:08:28 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <16879887E.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:
>While watching last night's game, I began to wonder now that the Georgia
>Dome is finished, will the Braves play their games there in '93? What is
>the status as far is Fulton County Stadium is concerned?
> 
>Several years ago, when the Braves were wallowing in last place and were
>drawing 10,000 or less for a game, many were critical of the stadium.
>saying it was a bad place to watch baseball. This year, the Braves drew
>over 3 million in the same ballpark and no one is critizing the stadium.
>It is amazing what happens when the team wins two straight NL West titles.
>While I have never been to FCS, on TV, it looks like a pretty decent ball
>park to me.

Its ok, but unfortunately, its falling down.  But the Braves won't be playing
in the Georgia Dome, in 93 or ever.  The Georgia Dome was built to move the
Falcons NFL franchise out of A/FC stadium.  They started there this season.
The Braves will begin playing in the Atlanta Olympic Stadium starting in 1997.
From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A true classic
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:58:21 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct15.140743.18130@walter.cray.com> kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin) writes:
>In article <Bw69tI.Fq0@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>>
>>Last night's Pirate/Braves G-7 was a true classic. I couldn't
>>help feeling sorry for Leyland as the Braves snathched a
>>well deserved victory from him and Drabek.......
>>
>>But, his post game comments was a class act.
>>
>>I feel that as in life, so also in Baseball. What goes around
>>comes around. If a line drive becomes a double-play once, it
>>can become extra bases the other time.
>>
>>And Leyland, who IMO is a great manager will see better days
>>in future. Of this, there is no doubt.
>>
>>But at the same time I tip my hat to the Braves for never
>>giving up. The braves should feel lucky, not proud after
>>this win.
>>
>>S.H
>>Forever Twins
>>
>
>
>I disagree...they should feel proud...proud that they never gave up and for 
>believing in themselves.
>
>GO BRAVES
>
>--Ken
>
>--
>===========================================================================
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>Cray Research South Government District     EMAIL:  kmartin@sedist.cray.com
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YES............GO BRAVES............


MR
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From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)
Subject: Re: Pinella out??? (was Re: Winning a short series)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:12:51 GMT

In article <BvtKCt.Kvr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.183811.8813@meaddata.com> brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) writes:
|> >
|> >Lou met with Reds owner Marge Schott yesterday to discuss next season.
|> >Lou's contract is up and he told Marge that he did not wish to return
|> >to the Reds for 1994.  She tried to talk him out of it but failed.
|> >He was NOT fired, and he didn't technically resign.  He just didn't
|> >want to sign a contract with Cincinnati.
|> >-- 
|> I find this story impossible to believe.  I think Lou wanted to come back, but
|> at best Marge was going to make him sweat over it.  She, in fact, did all year,
|> and when Lou had his scheduled discussion with her, there was probably no leaway
|> in the battle of stubborn personalities.

Lou confirmed yesterday that he would have returned to Cincinnati if Marge
had been willing to discuss his contract before season's end.  When she
didn't, he decided to leave.

|> My guess is that Bob Quinn won't be back next year, though he has stated publicly
|> that he wants to return.

Good guess:  Bob Quinn was fired yesterday.
-- 
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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hovercraft Mandibles Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The origin of the _World_ Series
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:04:38 GMT
Organization: Regretting The Canseco Trade, Unlimited.

Wayne Edwards writes:

[American Sports call their champions WORLD champions in Football,
Baseball, and Basketball.  That's pretentious.  Canadian sports are
unpretentious, just like Canadians.]

Doesn't this strike you as "I'm MUCH less competitive than YOU are."
"Are not."
"Am too."

Specifically about those three sports, I would LOVE a chance to see
baseball in America integrated with Japanese baseball, but with FAIR
umpiring, unlike the umpiring the gaijin get in Japan.  It'd be scary.

As for basketball and gridiron, I imagine that the US Champions in
these sports probably are the best teams in the world.

And how Canadian are the Toronto Blue Jays?  A city doesn't own a
team, and very largely, a team does NOT represent a city anymore.
It's just the way it is.  Suck it up, and move on.

"You gave me fortune...
 You gave me fame...
 You gave me power in your God's name...

 I'm every person
 that you need to be..."



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From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: THE BRAVES WIN!!! THE BRAVES WIN!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:58:54 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct15.041528.680@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <#q2zfnc@rpi.edu> ananim@aix.rpi.edu (Mark Anania Jr.) writes:
>>
>>  The Subject says it all!!! I was trying to be the first to
>>post. 3 in the bottom of the ninth to win it 3-2...
>
>Am I the only one who thought it was stupid to leave Drabek in to
>start the ninth?  (I started swearing when he came to bat in the top
>of the inning...  It isn't simply 20-20 hindsight.)  He had a good
>game, but he was tiring and allowed a *lot* of baserunners in the
>sixth and seventh innings.  The eighth was a breeze, but it was
>against weaker hitters.
>
>Of course without Lind's error, the Pirates might still have survived.
>But what an ending!  Bream scoring from second on a single!  Who would
>believe it? :-)
>
>Who was the MVP?
>
John Smoltz

Molly
>-Valentine
>
>P.S. Sorry, Sherri, but your fellow fans brought this upon themselves
>with their mindless woofing.  The Pirates' fans outwoofed the Braves'
>by at least a 3:1 factor, and so angered the baseball gods...
>-- 
>Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
>Clemens four Cy Young!
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From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Subject: Re: Pirates!!!1
Organization: ISA GmbH, W-7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:36:49 GMT

tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors ) writes:
>In article <4eqrNWe00WBK47o18o@andrew.cmu.edu> sk4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Ryan Kirkpatrick) writes:
>>
>>inning 2    ANY QUESTIONS?????????????
>>
>>PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES
>          (X 50)
>Scott,
>    The patriotism is admirable, but you do realize that you're TOAST if
>they lose.... :>

I'll have him buttered, with strawberry jam, thank you. 3-2 in the
bottom of the ninth ... I just lost a *** case of beer ...

>P.S. Blue Jays over (any team here) in 6.

Way cool!!!!

C.

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