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Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 17:49:12 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Churches in Eastern Tennessee

Hello all....  I'm going to be moving to East Tennessee,
and while I will be looking at my own church's records
to see what's down there, I'd like to know if any of
you can make recommendations about churches down there...
good ones, mission-oriented ones.

I'm more interested in Baptist <not necessarily Southern
Baptist, because I'm not one>, non-denominational, or
Evangelical Free churches....  hope some one out there
can help!

The immediate geographical area will be Johnson City,
which is a hour north east of Knoxville.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:06:07 EDT
From:         WALTER SHERRILL <SHERRIWR@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Should we respect others?
              18 Aug 1992 13:41:32 GMT from <78witherspoo@CUA.EDU>

Should others respect us. If this were the case. The world would be worser
off than it already is. I think we know the answers to some of our own
questions at times. Thank you for your question.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:49:00 GMT
From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      Re : Mary & Colour Blue

>From:     FRANK@EDU.UCLA.LAW
>A while ago I briefly read an article, in my dentists office,
>regarding a raging debate between the worlds of art (contemporary)
>and religion and about the role, proper role etc that one, or each
>should have with the other.  I was more concerned with my impending
>appointment than what the article really had to say.  Somehow knowing
>that my dentist is a Christian does ease my anxiety.
>
>So does anyone know what this is all about or am I nuts?

Frank,

As far as I am aware, the debate goes "Religion has no place in art"
A close friend is a religious artist and had no end of problems when
studying art at college because the teachers on her course (and the
external moderator could not cope with the contents of her work.  She
was told she was obsessed, artistically too narrow and trying to push
her message.  A class mate of hers spent a term developing a satinist
theme to see if they'd try the same with her.  They didn't.

I suspect that art is under going a back lash of being so tied in with
the church's patronage and trying to establish itself as a medium of
human life independant of belief.  It tried this during the C16 & C17
Then it was saying that the artist had a right to paint landscapes.  It
is probalbly a new grasp for freedom - like politics now not always being
Christain based.   In the end we can only pray that in the back lash
Christian artists are allowed to co-exist with the new ideas that turns
the study of art almost into a religion itself.

C.A.L.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:57:57 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Praise God !

For even and ever, AMEN!
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From: stieger@cco.caltech.edu (Ronald David Stieger)
Subject: Re: Q: Origin of the term "mass".
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:38:44 GMT

carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET> writes:

>According to Webster, mass is from the Latin verb for 'to dismiss'.
>I always thought mass was from to be born, as in Christmas.
>There must be different origins.

Actually, I believe you have this backwards.  Christmas is a "mass"
celebrating "Christ."  Hence, "Christ" + "mass" = "Christmas".  Looking
back, you can also see feasts of Michaelmas, etc.

--Ron Stieger

-- 
--Ron Stieger
   stieger@cco.caltech.edu

Would you believe me if I said the opinions expressed here were not
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From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark gilstrap)
Subject: Re: Orthodox
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:56:05 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA%92082012060951@ASUACAD.BITNET> Brenda/Bren <BJGAGE@KSUVM.BITNET> writes:
>I wanted to keep the recent posting by Mark concerning the Orthodox but
>I mistakenly deleted it.  It was about a splinter group formed by Fr.
>Herman...if that would give you more information.  Is there any way that
>you can send that to me or is there a way I can possibly retrieve that
>posting?  I'd appreciate any help you can give me.  Thanks.
>
>                                 Yours in Christ-
>                                 Brenda


	HEY!, I'd like a copy too. For some reason I don't ever get 
	a copy of what I send in to this group. I am posting via 
	USENET, so I should get a copy of everything, but I don't. In
	fact, the last thing I posted seemed to cut off my access to
	this group for about four weeks. The only evidence I got that
	I had posted anything (it was about freemasonry) was that
	I started getting mail from Peter Trei at my new address.

	This posting by Brenda is the only evidence I have that the
	last posting got through. Maybe I should subscribe via Bitnet?
	(I know, I should post a file instead of just typing on the
	fly.)


	Thanks to anyone who can send me a copy. My bitnet address
	is:
		gilstrap@iubacs

	Fr. Mark
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:49:17 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: 888

Sorry, 12 is also a factor for 24.

In fact the only integer number whose factors sum the same number is number 6

1+2+3 = 6
1x2x3 = 6

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:25:56 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: Homosexuality

Oh, That's easy. A promiscous heterosexual likes to have promiscous sexual
activity with people of the oposite sex and a promiscous homosexual prefers
promiscous activity with people of the same sex.

:-)

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 09:44:59 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jesus ... OR Pope?

Excuse me:

But if the Pope is the successor to Peter, why can't he get married?
Peter was married.  Besides, what's the big deal about Peter?  I don't
understand why Paul isn't more important than Peter, since he was
the one who (apparently) did the most work in building the church.

In 1 Cor 3:4, Paul says, "For when one says, 'I am of Paul,' and
another 'I am of Appollos,' are you not mere men?"  (He doesn't
mention Peter.)  Also, he says, "For no man can lay a foundation
other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."  If
Peter was the first Pope, with the same spiritual authority the
Pope is said to have today, wouldn't it bg incumbent upon Paul to
tell them to follow *Peter* in following Christ?   If the early
church members weren't paying any attention to Peter, were they  '
in serious error, even to the point of damnation?  I just don't
understand why Peter should be considered all that
important.

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:03:50 EDT
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From:         David White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Upcoming Baby

Just wanted to give you all an update on how Brenda is doing.  She is
ready for this baby to be born!  We have waited each night for her to wake us
up and say it is time, but that has not happened.  If the baby does not decide
to come by Monday morning (August 17) the doctor has decided to induce labor.
We will have to be there by 4:30 a.m.  They will begin the procedure at about
6:00 a.m.

I am not sure how long it will take after they begin the procedure.

We are hoping the baby will decide to come before we have to go in on Monday.
I am not sure how long Brenda will be in the hospital.  Hopefully only about 2
days.  Her sister has been here for the past two weeks and will leave when she
comes home.  Her Mom got here today and will be here for at least a week
helping take care of the baby.

We are both really anxious about the new baby coming.  We are praying for the
Good Lord's guidance in raising it.

I also have one other announcement.  I have been chosen by my church to serve a
three year term as a deacon.  I have never been a deacon before, so the church
is going to ordain me and one other gentleman.  The ordination council will be
held on August 23 with the ordination service being held on the following
Sunday.

Just a Thought:   Remember you have a friend who is always there to listen to
                  your problems and help you work through life's difficulties.


                              David White
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:29:39 CDT
From:         Renee Autry <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Home schooling

In a recent post Mr. Kline (MAKS) mentioned that his children are home
schooled.  If anyone would like to share, I would be interested to know
how many listmembers that have children choose this option and some of
the particulars and specifics of this choice (ie., do your children have
lessons all year?, structure, training of persons involved in the process,
testing, college admissions, etc.).  What made you choose this over public
or private education?  For those parents that choose public or private
educational facilities for their children, I would be interested in your
experiences as Christian parents with your various educational choices.
Response via private e-mail is fine.

                                    Thanks,
                                    Renee Autry (SRAutry@Samford)
From: CC19@SDSUMUS.BITNET (Joe Moore)
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Subject: Re: Did Jesus respect beliefs?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:19:18 GMT
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> [Aslo, God does not cause moral evil in Job, rather causes physical "evils' -
> sickness, death, disaster etc.  That God causes such things wouldn't be
> considered blasphemous in the sense of a) above.]
>
Mark, thanks for clarifying this.  I did not intend to say that a
moral evil was caused in Job.  I was merely expanding the point to
include bad things happening (not very clearly I might add).  I
haven't been on this list long enough to know the previous
discussions concerning this issue.

Joe
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:45:52 EDT
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is the Bible Absolute Truth?

On 08/19/92 at 11:00:23 j.b. cormier said:
>On 08/18/92 at 11:26:59 j.b. cormier said:
>>With regards to this:

>>For the word of God is living and active.  Sharper than any double-edged
>>sword,
>> it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;  it
>judges
>> the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  -- Heb 4:12

>>I still ask how can this argument count since over half the Bible as we
>>know it wasn't written or accepted as Scripture at the time
>>Hebrews was written?

>That's where faith comes in.  We have to know that God did it his way.

>>Jason

>        I can accept that answer, but is it wrong of me not to
>        have that faith yet?  I can't help it if I don't.  I
>        often get the impression from other Christians that I
>        am sinning or something because I am not ready to accept
>        this aspect of their personal walk.

>        What should I do?
The only thing you have to do is keep following Jesus with the desire
to do his will and be more like him and he will show you the way.
>        Jason
         Bernice
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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dahran)
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Subject: Mary and the colour blue
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:14:02 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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Frank,

    One of the worst dentists I ever met was a Christian.  God is an artist.
Creation is a poem and Christ is the Heavenly Image.  The Church is the city
made of precious stones (lapidary?) by the Heavenly Architect.  It is the
Heavenly Choir.
                Peace, Zane.
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: Wink, Varner
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:33:07 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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Does any of you know of Kelly Varner and Praise Tabernacle Ministries?  If you
do and have their most recent address, could you post it?

Also, a few years ago I read a book by Walter Wink called Naming the Powers
(or something like that).  Recently I read an article in a magazine that
mentioned his ideas about "powers and authorities," as they relate to the
illegal drug industry that was quite interesting.

Has anyone out there read his book?  What did you think?  How about some of
you "charismatics?"  I know Ian, your Church probably has some teaching on
this...

What are some good sources of information on "territorial spirits" etc??

Could anyone tell me what kind of a Church background Wink has?  Just some
questions I hope someone might be able to help me with.

                                         Irini pasi, Zane.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:51:20 EDT
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From:         Angela Zimmerman <AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Homosexuality

Item Retrieval Assistant, DADS
Phone: 588-6757


>  This is the tactic Gays are using.  The fact is that there are HOMOSEXUAL
>  and HETEROSEXUAL pedophiles.  They are not a separate category.  And what
>  about NAMBLA?  They are Homosexuals that want to do away with age consent
>  laws so that they can have sex with young boys.  And there are stats that
>  show most pedophiles are Gay.  I'll be happy to cite the sources tomorrow.


NAMBLA?  I've never even heard of them, but from their stance I am fairly
positive that they are a small minority of all homosexuals.  Stats don't
really prove much of anything because if I tried hard enough (or had time
to do it) I could pull some stats out of a reputable source that directly
contradicted your stats.  That's the beauty of stats.  They can say whatever
you want them to.  My question is, have you (or anyone on here that is
denouncing homosexuality as a sin) actually met (knowingly) a gay person?
Have you spent time with that person?  What about a group of gay people?
I have -many- gay friends and none of them are the monsters that they
are made to be here.  The only difference between them and the heterosexual
people that I know is that they prefer the same sex.  Which brings me to
another question:  what's the difference between a promiscous heterosexual
and a promiscous homosexual?
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:12:33 -0500
From:         "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Something more on Revelation

Bernice Tennant:

Was there supposed to be any text with this post?


On 08/18/92 at 13:38:22 j.b. cormier said:
>I just know it, Jason.

>Shalom,
>Memo.

>        This is the only answer that I have ever found to
>        be acceptable.  I, at this time, do not know it,
>        however.  I am trying.

>        Jason
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From: jrussell@unlinfo.unl.edu (john russell)
Subject: Lesser of Two Evils
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:01:36 GMT

I agree that this country needs more political parties. The other day
someone approached me adking me to sign a petition to allow candidates
from the Socialist party to get on the presidential ballot and I said
okay. Mind you, after reading their literature it'll be a cold day in
Guatemala before I vote for them, but I think the American people 
should have more than this "Choose X or Y" situation, especially since
all too often the situation is "Not X, therefore Y." You should be 
voting _for_ somebody, not against his or her opponent.

I also tend to be conservative in some areas and "liberal" (yes, the
L-word) in others, and I would like to see someone in charge who
reflects _my_ views. But I suppose that's normal.

Since this is a Christian list, I suppose I should comment on the 
Republican convention. As nice as it may be to have the word "God"
mentioned several dozen times from our leaders (only a few dozen less
than the word "family"), it chills me to think that Bush and friends
are attempting an exclusively Christian government, excluding those
may follow religious doctrines different from those of the president.
One of the things I love about America is our freedom to worship as we
please, and to have one particular viewpoint crammed down my throat 
irks me to no end. I support the separation of church and state and
hope y'all do also.

Just my two cents. No flames please, but alternative viewpoints 
encouraged.

jr
From: scsd1055@altair.selu.edu
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Subject: Anti-catholicism not appreciated!
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:18:45 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Jessie Carnes writes->

>Dear All on Christia ;
>[...]
>Some say that that we should have alliegence to the Pontifex Maximus in Rome.
>I say that we owe alliegence ALONE to Christ.
>John Paul II is but a man.
>Mary was but a woman who was chosen to bear Christ into the world.
>The Gospel precludes alliegence to any but Him who saves and that is Christ and
>Christ alone ... not Christ AND ...


	Well, what a mouthfull!   I am catholic, and Jessie I can assure you
that I owe no "alliegence" to the pope.   I can assure you that the pope does
not have an army.   Pssst...Pope Storm Troopers are just ficticious! Just
wanted to let you know.!  :-)   Although there is a rumor that the pope has 
a large "S" tattooed on his chest, and a red cape in his closet....just a 
little catholic humor there...hehehe.
	Please do not assume that you can speak for all catholics when you
are not a catholic....:-)   


	And to Dan the Man, I say this:

	GET A GRIP, AND TAKE YOUR CAPS LOCK OFF!  YOU'RE MAKING MY 
EYEBALLS SORE!  8-@

	Geesh! Your calling the pope all those nasty names, made me a little
ticked off.  Like I said to Jessie, I or no other catholic owes "alliegence"
to the pope.  Catholics are not out to replace God with the pope!  You know
I can not believe some of the TRASH that has been posted to  this news
group.  Postings like "Gay charateristics", and "Gay people are not violent"
( I know that you weren't the author...but), have made me reevalute my interest
in this news group.  I prepared a response to the two idiots (whom will remain
anonymous) who posted the two postings, but stopped when I realized that my
reply sounded just as mean and hateful.  I guess discression got the better
of me...
	You don't see myself ranting and raving about the problematic
protestant work ethic...   I do not mean that as a jab...just an example of how
ignorant I too can become...  ;-)
        

Bill Plunkett
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:13:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      CYNDI CAIN'S FALSE WORDS.
X-To:         christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

I'm so very sorry that I have to say this, but I cannot, in good
conscience, leave these "words of Jesus" unchallanged.  Whoever Cyndi Cain
is, she is not receiving words from our Savior. I know what I'm about to
say will deeply offend some, for that, I am very sad, but I can't be quiet
any longer.

Speaking of Satan, Jesus is reported to have said "... which he snatches
from me at a critical moment..."  This is not true.  Both in John 6 AND 10
YOU WILL FIND VERSES THAT SAY THAT ONCE A PERSON IS IN JESUS' HAND, THEY
CANNOT BE REMOVED.  IN CHAPTER 10 JESUS SAYS THAT THEY ARE IN HIM, AND HE
IS IN THE FATHER, AND THAT CEMENTS THINGS.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR A PERSON
TO BE PLUCKED FROM JESUS' HAND BY SATAN, JESUS WOULD, COULD NEVER SAY SUCH
A THING.

A FEW SENTTENCES FURTHER IN THE TEXT, THE INJUNCTION IS MADE TO "DO
PENNANCE."  THIS IS ANTITHETICAL TO ALL NEW TESTAMENT THEOLOGY.  THE DEATH
OF JESUS WAS ALL THE PENNANCE THAT COULD EVER BE PAID FOR OUR SINS.  NO
FURTHER PENNANCE IS NEEDED OR EVEN WANTED BY GOD.  THE VERY IDEA OF HUMANS,
SINFUL FLESH, DOING PENNANCE OR ATONEING FOR SINS IS RIDICULOUS!  HEBREWS
MAKES IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT OUR SINS HAVE BEEN ALL FORGIVEN, THAT
INCLUDES THE ONES WE WILL COMMIT.  (THAT DOES NOT ABSOLVE US FROM ASKING
FOR THAT FORGIVENESS, THAT IS PART OF GOD'S WORK IN US.)

NO, I CANNOT ACCEPT FOR A SECOND THAT MS. CAIN IS HAVING AUDIENCES WITH
JESUS, OR MARY.  IN HER BIOGRAPHICAL ARTICLES POSTED HERE, MUCH EMPHASIS
WAS PLACED ON MARY, FAR TOO MUCH.  THE NEW TESTAMENT AUTHORS MAKE LITTLE
MENTION OF MARY.  IF SHE WERE SO IMPORTANT, PAUL OR JOHN OR PETER SHURELY
WOULD HAVE MENTIONED HER AS SO.  THIS MARY WORSHIP IS, WELL, NOT PART OF
NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANITY.

AT THE END OF CAIN'S "MESSAGE" FROM JESUS, HE SAYS THAT HIS REPRESENTATIVE
ON EARTH IS THE POPE.  THIS IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON ALL PROTESTANTS.  I
CANNOT AND WILL NOT RECOGNIZE THE POPE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF MY LORD.
ACCORDING TO THAT MESSAGE, THOUGH, IF I DO NOT, I'M IN MORTAL DANGER.  THIS
IS NOT THE GOSPEL, IT IS SACRILAGE. I AM A PROTESTANT, NOT BECAUSE IT'S A
NICE HANDLE THAT IS MEANINGLESS BUT BECAUSE I CATEGORICALLY REJECT THE
POPE'S AUTHORITY.

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ROMAN CATHOLICS, I'M NOT ATTACKING YOU PERSONALLY,
PLEASE BELIEVE THAT.  THIS IS HARD TO TYPE.  I CANNOT REMAIN SILENT,
HOWEVER, WHEN SUCH BLATANT UNTRUTHS ARE BEING PASSED OFF AS THE WORDS OF
JESUS CHRIST.

DAN GRAHAM
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:51:00 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Toleration of Immorality
              17 Aug 1992 17:17:39 -0600 from <gallowav@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>

Vernon,

Yes, but on the other hand, we all sin.  Sinning privately while
pretending to virtue is hypocrisy, which Christ denounced repeatedly.
There are times when Christians should refuse to associate with other
Christians who sin in a particularly serious manner.  When this is
done by a church it is known as excommunication, disfellowshipping,
or shunning.  However, it should be done in the spirit of Matt 18:15-
17 and 2 Thes. 3:14.  Excommunication, as St. Paul said, is for the
purpose of making the sinner ashamed so that he will repent.

Not associating socially with someone because he is a "bad companion"
who might lead us to join him in his sins is just a matter of avoid-
ing occasions of sin.  This can be complicated by the possibility
that if I associate with someone because I know that I have no incli-
nation to join his sins, a "weaker brother" who would be tempted
might think that its okay to associate with him because I do.  There
is no hard and fast rule for such situations.  It is a matter of
prudent judgement.

Marty Helgesen
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