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From:         Ken Grabach <KGRABACH%MIAMIU.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Reference Use of the Internet
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              25 Jan 1993 13:38:06 EDT from <tdkatz%COLBY.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

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I appreciate the comments from Toni Katz at Colby College.
I would like to see some examples of the kind of questions that have been
answered at reference desks or information service stations using
databases on the Internet.
How did you know what databases to try; how did you think of such a choice
at the exclusion of Dialog, Lexis (and the like) or CD-Roms and so forth?
You may well wonder why I ask this publicly rather than simply dive in
and try it out.  Well, the few instances when I have dived in I have
found little that suggested itself as a source of useful reference material
that I could not find more easily and without getting cut off by the
communication line.
I want to learn more about these services, but the attempt to learn seems
about as easy as nailing jelly to the wall.
If some of you have had better success you might share what you have learned,
which would give us more cautious folk a chance to appreciate your pioneering
efforts.
By the way, I find Rick Gates's monthly contest results reports more useful
now, but I have not encountered the questions that would help call to mind
those marvelous databases.
Ken Grabach    kgrabach@miamiu  kgrabach@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
Documents Dept.
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, Ohio  45056
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              Waterville ME 04901 USA" <jrlikins%COLBY.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      ARIEL
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Dear LIBREF- and AUTOCAT-ers,
  What is the best source of current information on ARIEL?
Costs?  Does it also run on Macintosh?  Memory/storage requirements?
FAX, scanner requirements?         Thanks,
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:18:32 EDT
From:         Barbara Zybert <EZYBERT@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      bibliotherapy
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I am a Fulbright scholar at Kent State University, I do my research about
bibliotherapy.I would greatly appreciate any information about training for
bibliotherapy, content of courses connected with bibliotherapy, and about qua-
lifications of people who are working as bibliotherapists.
My time is short and I need this information very much.Thanks in advance
for everybody who can help me.
        Barbara Zybert  ( EZYBERT @ KENTVM.BITNET)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:36:37 EDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART%vmd.cso.uiuc.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      !!!New Clinton Posting
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Project Gutenberg has made eight corrections to yesterday's posting of
Clinton's Inaugural Address.

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
login anonymous
password yourname@your.machine
cd etext/etext93
get clinton2.txt
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=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:19:03 EDT
From:         SHARYN LADNER <SLADNER%UMIAMI.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Larry Schankman raises some interesting points.  To address his question
about how to encourage the rest of the reference librarians (and also
management) to learn these new technologies:  one way is to hold a
library faculty retreat for planning how to integrate emerging technologies
when faced with budget realities, etc.  We will be holding such a retreat
this Spring at the University of Miami because we are faced with several
issues/events/problems which would be overwhelming without planning
and evaluation:  our computer equipment budget is woefully inadequate,
compared to our materials budget (which is also inadequate, but not
woefully so), we desperately need to provide better electronic access
to our collections, and we will be building a new wing to the library
in 3-4 years.  In addition, our last retreat was held 6 years ago,
and its appropriate to plan for the next 5 years.  Hopefully, the
retreat process will address the very real issues of training and
staffing -- you just can't throw the Internet at people and
expect them to embrace it without adequate preparation.

In writing this response, I also realized that maybe one of the
reasons why we do not have management resistance to Internet use
is because several of us who are on tenure track are using the
Internet to do research:  management may very well recognize that
the Internet provides us with opportunities for publishing that
were not there before.  I'm wondering if librarians who work in
institutions where they have faculty status and/or tenure requirements
involving research and publication have encountered resistance
to Internet use from their administrations. (Or maybe I'm just
lucky that management is supportive of my Internet use.)

Comments?

Sharyn Ladner
Business Librarian
University of Miami (FL)
sladner@umiami.ir.miami.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:27:24 EDT
From:         Larry Schankman
              <lschank%grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I also agree that use of Internet can be helpful at the reference desk; we
have a dumb terminal, but with access to the net I can plug into other
databases, or catalogs of large libraries (hence no need to leave the desk
to run to OCLC just to identify a title), or dig up hard to find document
files (just yesterday I found a same-day copy of Clinton's inaugural
address).

However, we all know that, that's why we're on this discussion list! What
I would rather comment on is the negative side of the coin: staff, and
unfortunately, management _resentment_ towards those of us who *do* use
the Internet for finding those same reference needs to which they would
just assume, and eagerly so, decline to pursue (too obscure or too
inconvenient).

Though I shouldn't generalize, I have found among many fellow librarians
not only an unwillingness and/or fear of emerging technologies and
electronic sources of information, but even, as a defense, hostility towards
those pesky *computer types* who perhaps pose a direct threat to their
sense of security, if not their livelihood.

I've also sensed from some a belief that perusal of the net is play
time and not appropriate for official library time (which is why I
usually do my networking at home or during lunch).

Am I paranoid, or have others experienced the same?

Larry Schankman
Valdosta State College

P.S.  Sorry if I turn the discussion off track.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:21:04 EDT
From:         Carol Deering <cwcdeeri%antelope.wcc.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: WANTED: CINAHL info
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------


On Wed, 20 Jan 1993, Doug Brownfield wrote:

> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Does anyone have any information about CINAHL which I believe is an
> acronym for Cumul. Index to Nursing & Allied Health Literature?
>
> Some of our faculty have requested access to it, however, I haven't been
> able to find anything about it. Is it an index available on the Internet or
> BITNET? Any information is greatly appreciated.
>
> ****************************************************************************
> Doug Brownfield                     Ohio State University-College of Nursing
> sys admin & gen mechanic            220 Newton Hall, 1585 Neil Avenue
> brownfield.3@osu.edu                Columbus, Ohio  43210     (614) 292-8199
> ****************************************************************************
CINAHL Information Systems phone: (818) 409-8005
                           fax:   (818) 546-5679
I know it's on CD-ROM, but they could tell you about Internet.  Good Luck!
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:51:19 EDT
From:         "Melissa K. McBurney" <mcbum@ruby.ils.unc.edu>
Subject:      Library Workbooks

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
-- Please respond directly to mcbum@ruby.ils.unc.edu.  C. Radcliff, editor



I am a student in Library Science at The University of North Carolina who
is going to be starting her master's paper soon.  I am studying a library
workbook at North Carolina State University, and I want to see how many
other universities have a workbook for students to learn how to use the
library's resources.
If you could send any responses to my e-mail address I would greatly
appreciate it.

mcbum.ils@mhs.unc.edu [A [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:35:01 EDT
From:         S_ROLDAN%UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Reference via internet
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Here's my penny!

If your campus does not have access to the INTERNET, then you can
always try and get an account from some other university or consorcium,
even so, you can "buy" an account from a ".COM" or ".NET" machine somewhere.
The thing is to get an account, one way or another ... this then would
mean (in terms of hardaware) only a modem and a PC.

Once in the INTERNET you can have access (this is so far what I have been
able to access) to the following important Reference services:

        * DIALOG, BRS, COMPUSERVE via gateways
        * RLIN (wow a plus)
        * OCLC EPIC with all their db additions
        * BIOSIS and the Life Science Network
        * All sorts of Educational ERIC WISE services.
        * FAXON, EBSCO serial jobbers/services

And the list will probably or is probably longer!

I think INTERNETing is a valuable treasure chest for Reference Services.

S. Roldan
Libr/Prof. English
University of Sacred Heart
MMT Guevarra Library
(809) 728-1515  ext 361            s_roldan@upr1.upr.clu.edu
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:29:56 EDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART%vmd.cso.uiuc.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Clinton Inaugural Address
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Project Gutenberg has posted Clinton's Inaugural Address.

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
login anonymous
password you@your.machine
cd etext93
get clinton1.txt
quit


=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:38:27 EDT
From:         ellen detlefsen <ellen%lis.pitt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Vice Presidential debate
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
the entire debate was printed in the national edition of the New York Times
the morning after the debate was held.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                              Ellen Gay Detlefsen

         Associate Professor, School of Library & Information Science
       Core Faculty, Women's Studies Program, Faculty of Arts & Sciences
    Affiliated Faculty, Section of Medical Informatics, School of Medicine
                 University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh PA 15260
                    phone: 412-624-9444; FAX: 412-624-5231
             internet: ellen@lis.pitt.edu * BITNET: ELLEN@PITTVMS
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:37:29 EDT
From:         Carole Prietto <PRIETTO%WULIBS.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      V.P. Debate transcripts
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
You can also contact the Commission on Presidential Debates, 601
13th Street NW, Suite 310 South, Washington DC20005.

Carole Prietto
University Archivist
Washington University, St. Louis
prietto@wulibs.bitnet

p.s.  Anyone on the net with questions about the St. Louis debate
is welcome to contact me.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:01:05 EDT
From:         H_RAMACHANDR@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Patent searching

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NASA/STAC at the University of Florida campus will conduct online patent
 searches for a fee.  Contact them on 1-800-225-0308.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:47:23 EDT
From:         ROXANN BUSTOS <librrb@acvax.BITNET>
Subject:      Answering machine summary

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Here is the requested summary of responses to my request for answering
machine experiences, pro and con.  I received 24  replies, most from
large universities (3 from special libraries; 3 from college libraries).

Almost everyone strongly favors the use of answering machines/voice mail
in reference departments at busy times.  7 libraries said they used and
recommended a machine that only gives library hours and/or a message like
"All librarians are busy now; please call back in a few minutes."  The only
problem reported with this system is that some patrons thought they were
leaving messages, even though there was no tone or anything to indicate
that they should

14 libraries use and recommend answering machines or voice mail (Audix
mentioned) that permit the patron to leave a message about the nature
of their question.  Problems mentioned: staff forget to check the mes-
sages, staff doesn't like the impersonality, security (machines were
stolen--twice!).  Patrons seem to like them.  Suggestions:  Have clear
guidelines about who is responsible for checking messages, etc.; Have
different messages and be sure you have the right one in; mention on
the message if you have limitations on returning calls (e.g. can't
return long distance calls).

3 libraries recommended portable phones, but others commented that
that just adds to the problem of interrupting service to patrons
who are in the library.

The comments were very helpful to me.  We plan to try using an
________________________________________________________________________________
Roxann Bustos                                     Phone:  (706) 737-1748
Reese Library                                     Internet: librrb@acvax.ac.edu
Augusta College
2500 Walton Way
Augusta, GA 30904-2200
________________________________________________________________________________
answering machine.  Thanks to all who responded!
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
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Subject: Re: HELP: Tontouta Task Force (New Caledonia)
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:45:01 GMT
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Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <LIBREF-L%93012301161452@KENTVM.KENT.EDU>, S_NATALE%TWU.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu writes:
> Reply to S_NATALE@TWU.
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>  This message has been cross-posted to MILHST-L, WWII-L, HIST-L, and HISTORY.
>     Please send all responses to the addresses at the end of this message.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hello -
>
> I am currently looking for ANY information regarding the following:
>
>                            ***********************
>                              TONTOUTA TASK FORCE
>                            ***********************


Although you may have posted this to MILHST-L, you might try also posting this
on the sci.mil   group on USENET.

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL






>
>         On 16 May 1942, two B-17E aircraft, five flight crews and ground
> specialists departed Hickam Field, T.H., with less than twenty-four hours
> notice, for Fiji, where three additional B-17E aircraft were added to the task
> force.  Following a day of testing, the five aircraft flew to Tontouta, New
> Caledonia, a small landing strip forty kilometers north of Noumea.  The
> aircraft operated under Navy command, flying reconnaissance flights in the
> Solomon Islands area for the next four weeks.  One aircraft crashed 8 June
> 1942, in New Zealand, killing the task force commander, R. Cobb, and the flight
> crew.  On 25 June, the remaining four aircraft and flight crews flew to
> Brisbane, becoming part of the 19th Bombardment Group operations in
> Australia and New Guinea.
>
> The information that I seek concerning this task force includes:
>
>         1. Addresses of persons in the task force (or where they can be found)
>
>         2. Information describing the purpose of the task force
>
>         3. Data concerning the results achieved by the task force
>
> Any and all information regarding this task force would be immensely
> appreciated. I have exhausted a good number of library collections in the North
> Texas Area.
>
> Please reach me through e-mail c/o:
>
> Joe Natale
> s_natale@twu (Bitnet)
> s_natale@twu.edu (Internet)
>
> I can also be reached by snail mail at the following address:
>
> William R. Eaton
> 400 Woodland Street
> Denton, Texas 76201
> (817)382-7800
>
> Many thanks for anyone's help in advance. Again, any information or leads would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> William R. Eaton

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:42:59 EDT
From:         Lynda Williams <williams%cnc.bc.ca@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: Use of the Internet in reference service
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Comments: To: libref-l@kentvm.kent.edu

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

>I would rather comment on is the negative side of the coin: staff, and
>unfortunately, management _resentment_ towards those of us who *do* use
>the Internet for finding those same reference needs to which they would
>just assume, and eagerly so, decline to pursue (too obscure or too
>inconvenient).

>Though I shouldn't generalize, I have found among many fellow librarians
>not only an unwillingness and/or fear of emerging technologies and
>electronic sources of information, but even, as a defense, hostility towards
>those pesky *computer types* who perhaps pose a direct threat to their
>sense of security, if not their livelihood.
.
.
.
>Am I paranoid, or have others experienced the same?

>Larry Schankman
>Valdosta State College

No, you're not paranoid Larry.  I think there is a strong undercurrent
of denial amoung those who don't enjoy change.  We pesky computer types
have an uphill fight on our hands to prove the value of the new medium
without sending rude, frightening messages to our less enthusiastic
colleagues.

My pet peeve regarding attitude is: "If it can't duplicate what
traditional source XYZ does, then what use is it?"  Which is sort of
like saying of the first exercise on the printing press: "So what,
I already have a nice hand written bible."

At the same time I appreciate that much needs to be done to make
the new media more productive and better organized.

There is, also, an element of playing.  A supervisor who discourages
a staff member from spending 2 hours seeking an answer on Internet is
just as justified as one who disallows a 2 hour hunt through one's
own in-house resources, if there are rules about how long to spend
on any given reference question.  I feel strongly, however, that
"playing" is how pesky computer types learn so it does have intrinsic
value so long as it doesn't blot out one's assigned work.

*************************************************
*  Lynda J. Williams,  College of New Caledonia *
*  Prince George, B.C.  (604) 562-2131 loc.296  *
*  Internet:  lynda@cnc.bc.ca                   *
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