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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:59:12 -0600
From:         Peter Scott <scottp@JESTER.USASK.CA>
Subject:      Re: Heartland Freenet
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> My documentation for accessing Heartland Freenet says:
>
>    telnet heartland.bradley.edu
>    login as fnguest
>
> When I login as fnguest, I am prompted for a password.  What should I enter?
> Or, more to the point, what is the prescribed way to get into Heartland?

                             Heartland FREE-NET

Telnet HEARTLAND.BRADLEY.EDU or 136.176.5.114
Login: bbguest
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:48:14 -0500
From:         David Lapointe <lapointe@THORIN.UTHSCSA.EDU>
Subject:      BOF at Dallas CAUSE92
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I wil be attending the CAUSE92 meeting in Dallas (12/1-12/4). I have
noticed several CWIS sessions (pre-meeting and current issues). Are there
any plans for a CWIS BOF get together?


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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:09:00 CST
From:         Betsy Edwards <BETSY@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      classified ads for CWIS systems

Here at Kansas State Univ., our CWIS began just a year ago.  One of the
main interests at the time was a section where departments could post
ads for equipment "for sale, trade, or transfer to other departments".
No problem there.  But, inevitably, the question has been raised as to
whether individuals may post ads also -- in a separate area, of course.

Does anyone allow personal/individual ads in their CWIS?
Does anyone have policies concerning posting personal ads?
Anyone addressed the legal issues involved?   If you wish,  you may
reply directly to me.  I'll be glad to summarize for the list.

Betsy Edwards                           Phone:  913/532-6311
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Kansas State University              Internet:  betsy@ksuvm.ksu.edu
Manhattan, KS  66506-2605                 Fax:  913-532-5914
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:16:00 CST
From:         Betsy Edwards <BETSY@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BOF at Dallas CAUSE92

OK, I give up....what's a BOF get-together?
My Webster's New World says BOF is a "basic oxygen furnace"!
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:36:25 CST
From:         Mark Oglesby <MAO321T@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Heartland Freenet

My documentation for accessing Heartland Freenet says:

   telnet heartland.bradley.edu
   login as fnguest

When I login as fnguest, I am prompted for a password.  What should I enter?
Or, more to the point, what is the prescribed way to get into Heartland?
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:18:39 -0800
From:         Calvin Boyer <cjboyer@UCI.EDU>
Subject:      usage statistics
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The recent queries and suggestions about cwis usage statistics
prompt this further suggestion to those managers overseeing
campus gopher servers.

        Add another menu item under the nearly ubiquitous
        "Information about Gopher" main menu selection.

        USE STATISTICS

These data, normally generated as a by product of operations, could have
a number of useful applications for analysis and planning.  And, I presume,
they would be good pr as well for the system.

cal
      Calvin Boyer  Library  University of California, Irvine
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:28:51 -0500
From:         Chet Ramey <chet@ODIN.INS.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Heartland Freenet
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              19 Nov 1992 16:36:25 CST

> My documentation for accessing Heartland Freenet says:
>
>    telnet heartland.bradley.edu
>    login as fnguest
>
> When I login as fnguest, I am prompted for a password.  What should I enter?
> Or, more to the point, what is the prescribed way to get into Heartland?

The username to use is `bbguest'.  Once you have entered that, you can
`login' again as a registered user or visitor.

--
``The use of history as therapy means the corruption of history as history.''
        -- Arthur Schlesinger

Chet Ramey, Case Western Reserve University     Internet: chet@po.CWRU.Edu
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:19:09 PST
From:         "Rick Gates" <LB05GATE@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      BOF at Dallas CAUSE92
              23 Nov 1992 12:16:00 CST <921123184

>OK, I give up....what's a BOF get-together?
>My Webster's New World says BOF is a "basic oxygen furnace"!

Betsy,
        BOF stands for "Birds Of a Feather", that flock together to
talk about whatever it is they have in common.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:26:00 EDT
From:         JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: classified ads for CWIS systems

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     20-Nov-1992 06:16am EST
                                        From:     Ernest Jones
                                                  JONESEL
                                        Dept:     CAMS
                                        Tel No:   704 262 6276

TO:  VMSMail User _IN%"CWIS-L             ( _IN%"CWIS-L@WUVMD.BITNET" )


Subject: RE: classified ads for CWIS systems

We have a Buy/sell/trade system on our CWIS.  The system is restricted
to University faculty, staff and students.

There is a screen presented to the user that requires the posting of
their identification number and name.  The postings are accumulated in
a file and are then processed against official University records
prior to posting to the system.  A person in my office checks the
postings prior to loading into the CWIS for completeness, that is,
they have listed a contact address or phone number.  We have had some
rather explicit ads posted but the submitter tried to use bogus ids to
avoid identification and these ads were rejected by the check against
the official records.  For ads that that are incomplete or where the
person is ligitimate we often contact them if they have posted their
name in a form that does not match the official records, such as using
initials that do not appear in the official records.

We have a statement preceeding the posting screens that indicates that
all negotiations and arrangements between individuals are their
respnsibility and the University accepts no responsibility for the
outcome.

The system has been operating for about a year and a half without
problems.

Ernest L. Jones, Director                 JONESEL@APPSTATE.BITNET
Computer and Management Services          JONESEL@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Appalachian State University              Phone: 704 262-6276
Boone, NC  28608
From: fsimmons@UA.D.UMN.EDU (Frank Simmons)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 02:32:49 GMT
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I would like to know my score.

Frank Simmons, User Services,  MWAH 157  726-8849  fsimmons@ub.d.umn.edu

 -To err is human; to recover, divine -
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:01:52 EST
From:         "Daniel R. Snyder" <DSNYDER@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS User Statistics

Would anyone care to share their statistics on CWIS use? I would like
some representative figures for volume of use compared to enrollment, and
preferably broken down into students, staff, and other. Thanks in advance.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:44:34 CST
From:         G.Yanos@UIC.EDU
Subject:      Re: November Hunt Results
              16 Nov 1992 20:32:49 -0600 from <fsimmons@UA.D.UMN.EDU>

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:32:49 -0600 Frank Simmons said:
>I would like to know my score.
>
>Frank Simmons, User Services,  MWAH 157  726-8849  fsimmons@ub.d.umn.edu
>
> -To err is human; to recover, divine -

How many points off for sending this to the whole list?
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:41:00 -0800
From:         "Steve Watkins" <watkins@SCILIBX.UCSC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tools to clean-up text for posting
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In response to Albert Lunde's query about converting to plain text from
word processors, I'd like to mention again the University of Oregon's
gopher system, which has half a dozen  such procedures outlined quite
well and made available right in their cwis menu.  They cribbed these
in turn from another institution whose name escapes me right now, but
they go a long way toward answering this question for Word and
WordPerfect.

Steve Watkins
Science Library
University of California, Santa Cruz
watkins@scilibx.ucsc.edu
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Date: 15 Nov 92 20:19:09 GMT
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              13 Nov 1992 04:40:12 EST from <litbu741@VADER.CC.EMORY.EDU>

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:40:12 EST Shyela Aberman said:
    As someone pointed out, this gets more complicated because of its
    nature. If the system is decentralized, management becomes that
    much harder. What if I turn my machine off every night? The data
    I have on it becomes unavailable to the rest of the universe. Thus,
    for now, centralized information servers seem to still have a
    definite place in CWIS's.

Definitely - all gophers aren't created equally !

Or maybe just maybe.  Things definitely get complicated -- they're
complicate enough already and there are only 1 million computers on
the net.  I'm not sure I can imagine the administrative structure that
would allow a "central" facility to support a "paperless" (?)
university; ideas like Andrew and Athena reveal some interesting
technical possibilities for merging desktops.

One thing that can make this work, however, is that of "locality."
Despite the fact that I have access to 1,000 libraries, my local
library is where I look first.  Despite the fact that I have access
to 1,000 professors, the 4 or 5 that I am taking this semester are
the ones I am most interested in.  And of all the things I am likely
to need soon, I've made local copies on my local hard disk.

What we'll see, I think, is a "spreading" of information.  Something that
probably closely mirrors the paper information systems we're used to.
How the system will evolve beyond paper, and how soon, that's what's
up for grab.  I'm guessing that the next decade will be a real mind
bender.  A headline in today's NYTimes Business Section was "Beyond the
PC" and went on to describe Apple's Newton project; a companion
article focused on McCaw and The Wireless Networked Nation.  All of
this by 2001?  Probably so!

Ciao
Steve
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Date: 16 Nov 92 21:14:42 GMT
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Michael,
Yes I still am pursuing the kiosk thing.  Have just submitted a
preliminary proposal to US Dept of Education for a grant to get
the thing going.  Current budget and political environment does
not bode well for the project.  Have material and expectations
with file.  Should know in january if I will be asked to compelete
formal proposal fo the feds.  May also be sending letters of
inquiry to private foundations seeking funding!

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From: kendo@UC1.UCSU.EDU ((Raul A. Huerta))
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Date: 18 Nov 92 22:53:55 GMT
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Ron --

The point that I'm trying to convey is that a single character -- such
as the one for Tao or do in Japanese-- usually gets translated as
"the way" -- the actual meaning covers a number of meanings including
an ethical system, a method of achieving enlightentment, along with
the visual message that is conveyed --> the picture is of a temple
sitting adjacent to a stream -- which conjures up another set of feelings
and thoughts in conjuction with the above -- which is why it frequently
require a number of words to translate a few characters -- something
that is similar when one investigates an iconographic image --> I'm
thinking of Neuman's _Art and the Creative Unconscious_  -- in other
words Chinese is based on the inherent nature of the ideogram as  a
picture when you  place that character in relationship to another  -- this
act creates the propositional content of the thoughts being conveyed --
When I asked if anyone has studied Chinese  -- it was not a mere
rhetorical device --> it is an entirely different way of thinking that
is very complex and requires a number of skills -- among which you
will find is propositional context.

You asked about dance steps etc.  What immediately comes to mind are the
masques of Indigo Jones (you might ask Susan Cerasano at Colgate --she
has been working on the diaries of a variety of Renaissance women who
participated in the masques) and the work of Delsarte -- How about
Indian dance (East Indian) although it does pertain to Native American
 dance--traditional Balinese dance -- Kabuki -- Noh etc.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:13:54 -0600
From:         RONRON@USU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Multimedia

Tim -- Let me work with this a little.  I agree that we have more wiggle
room with visuals, sort of.  But we do with propositional text too,
witness the continuing disagreement over what "
s





eeking after that sweet golden clime where the traveller's journey is
done" means.  My suggestion would be that perhaps we can say it in mink
but not ink is that a) ink is legally binding and mink aint, and b) we
are untutored in the syntax of diamonds.  Accept as a premise that
there is a propositional syntax of visuals, and intriguint possibilities
open up.  For instance, it has been suggested that one aspect of
intelligence may be the skill in reading body language. To what extent
is that "reading" the same way one reads a chimp's distress cry, which
is meaning without syntax, and to what extent is a syntax built it. ON
another posting today I read that a geneticist thinks visually.  Einstein
reported that his ideas were visual, and had to be laboriously turned
into verbal language.  Did that mean that his concepts had no propositional,
syntactic, rhetorical content until it was imposed on them?  I don't know.
I still feel that visual langunge may have edges and corners to it that
we haven't explored yet.

 One of these days I'm going to learn how to
edit this sort of stuff. Will you forgive the typos and consider them
visual language? Ron Shook
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:45:54 EST
From:         mer <MROSE01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Re:Multimedia/In Defense of Reason

John B:

              It's precisely Foucault's inversion of the Clausewitz thesis,
              that politics is war waged by other means, that indicates how
              argumentative discourses,actually any form of monological
              speech, should be understood as articulations of hegemony:
              articulated forms of domination.

                                                               mer
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From:         Karla Saari Kitalong <KITALONG@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU>
Subject:      Cindy Selfe's e-mail problems
              18 Nov 1992 06:07:57 -0600 from <hawisher@UIUC.EDU>

To whom it may concern:
Cindy Selfe's e-mail will be fixed on Thursday, and the problems do not prevent
her from receiving mail, only from seeing it or sending it. So don't
stop sending messages to her--she'll get them when she gets back from her
trip. OK? OK.

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Subject: RE: Taking Offense at Reason
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:44:00 GMT
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Sharon: Sometimes one says that the opposite of reason is emotion. But
sometimes one says that the opposite of reason is violence. The latter
makes more sense to me than the former, since emotion after all sometimes
makes clear to one what one's reasons really are. (When one's feelings
rebuke one, one sometimes looks harder to see whether one's reasons are
reasons.)
John B
From: jporter@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU ((Jim Porter))
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Date: 17 Nov 92 13:21:10 GMT
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              Nov 16, 92 9:38 pm

>  While agreeing with the gist of Sharon Crowley's remarks and
>complaints, I don't think (I am very willing to be corrected
>here) that Aristotle's discourse on rhetoric (discovering the
>available means of persuasion) is the kind of discourse
>Jim Crosswhite is talking about.  There is a kind of difference
>(not the one Bain suggests) between persuasion (audience centered)
>discourse and argumenation (reality centered) discourse [referring
>to Kinneavy's distinctions here.

Irv ... But I'd say the problem is the _move_ that attempts to
create two different discourse categories, whether you split
them as persuasion/referential or rhetoric/argumentation.
(Another comparable ideological split that raises a ruckus and makes
writing teachers' lives miserable today: rhetoric/poetic.)
Kinneavy is no less culpable than Aristotle in this regard:
his discourse theory privileges reference discourse, because
it is "reality centered."

Again, as has been pointed out, whose reality? Who's to say that
my emotions or yours, my character or yours, are less real than
numbers, facts, syllogisms, etc. As Gary says, the traditional
principles of discourse are stacked against the emotional and ethical
appeals. As Sharon points out, look at the social results of those
principles.

So I am likewise suspicious of the appeal to reason (as one thing),
if by that reason is meant something beyond the scope of rhetoric
and persuasion (and ideology). No such place (u-topia?). (Perelman
says as much himself, in _The Realm of Rhetoric_ [p. 5]: other than maybe
purely self-contained symbol systems, like math statements and
linguistic tautologies, all discourse is rhetoric.)

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Jim Porter
Purdue University
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From:         rselfe@MTU.EDU
Subject:      Early labs

>From: David E. Schwalm
>As I recall, we got our first "lab" at UTEP back in the spring of nine-teen
>and eight-five, i think its was. Yes, siree, nineteen andf eighty five.

Very good David,

I only hours away from a trip down Texas way.  Got a good chuckle outa that
deeeescription.

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Humanities Dept.          906-487-3225
Michigan Technological U.
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