HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott)
Subject: Compensation for Gays Ousted from Government Employ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:37:00 GMT

(Now that military service is nothing more than just another form
 of employment...)

I think anyone who has ever been ousted or outed from the military 
*or* other-branch-of-government for just being gay, deserves monetary 
compensation for pay loss.

As to how much is appropriate, let's make it $1 million dollars 
each (likely consistent with similar damages being awarded these
days). Anyone care to `up' the figure? It's hardly adequate considering
the benefits lost, psychological impact, career blow, and such. 

And it should be interesting to see how many of those in high positions
are fingered for being sexually abusive when being-exposed-as-gay is no 
longer a threat to losing one's pension (for the underlings that is).
Considering that it's only recent that women have made in-roads in all
branches of government, the Tailhook scandal might be *trivial* compared 
to 50 years of homosexual abuse throughout government. 

As to the military, at least, families can really know why some of their 
sons were killed by "friendly fire" in combat, or tossed overboard during 
ship cruises -- crimes-of-passion and crimes-of-hate. Whether there will
be more or fewer of such incidents in the future should not be a concern
-- compared to the justice of having open-expression. (Can you say Taboo?)

{ However....    }
{ I don't think society is ready to find out that the LBJ letter locked  }
{ away is about JFK and Marilyn being bi^H^H"swingers". But what Sailors   }
{ do during  drunken  orgies will surely come as no surprise. Especially }
{ Submariners. ;-}

"In the Na-avy... You can sail the seven seasss..."

Hey Presidente Clinto'n. Let's see you cork this can of worms. The 
"Socks" is outa da bag.

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60633 alt.politics.libertarian:1934
From: jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu (James F. Hranicky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Keynesian thing (was: A "New" Reich)
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:13:28 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Nov14.181417.29039@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>>>dude, you are really trampling the "beliefs" of the
>>>supply-siders and the libertarians.  your facts are
>>>spoiling their prolific dis-information.  keep it up!
>>
>>To the contrary, Keynesian economic theory has long been discredited as
>>a lot of bunk. Libertarians don't bother to waste their time rebutting
>>this drivel anymore.
>
>Well, that's why there are neo-Keynesians now, who can argue such
>things as price stickiness on a mathematically sound base.

More neo-Keynesians? Great. Please give an example of this price stickiness
business.

I'll be happy to rebutt any Keynesian drivel.

----
"To dig holes in the ground, paid for out of savings, will increase
the quantity and quality of goods and services"

Paraphrase of J.M. Keynes. (not sure of the exact quote)

----
When asked by Benjamin Anderson,

"So the thing to do during a recession is raise white elephants?"

Keynes replied,

"That would be just the thing."

----
"'In the long run we will all be dead.' I do not dispute this statement. In 
fact, I consider it the only true statement of the <Keynesian> school."

Paraphrase of von Mises, on Keynesian economics.

Please, send in the neo-Keynesians....

Jim Hranicky (jfh@reef.cis.ufl.edu)
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60858 sci.econ:8756
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
Subject: Keynes on the Laffer Curve and balanced budgets
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:11:38 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	"taxation may be so high as to defeat its object, and that, given
sufficient time to gather the fruits, a reduction of taxation will run a better
chance, than an increase, of balancing the budget." --John Maynard Keynes
(1933).

	Perhaps near the end of his life Keynes was seeing the light.  It only
took the rest of the country 50 years :).

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: 1988 Oregon Anti-Gay Initiative Ruled Unconstitutional
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:14:17 GMT


Gay rights protections are gaining. 
Break out the champaigne!

Lost Boy
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (droopy)
Subject: Re: americans dont really believe in term limits
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:19:38 GMT

jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) writes:

>In article <farenebt.722007801@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (droopy) writes:
>-> 
>-> I found the stat i was looking for:
>-> 
>-> 14 states passed term limit initiatives.
>-> In those 14 states, the re-elected 71 (seventy one) members of Congress
>-> 	who exceeded their limit just passed.
>-> 
>-> 
>-> But, after all, it was a resounding statement against the status-quo.

>	I believe in term limits, but I will also vote for a good
>incumbent.  The reason is I don't want my state to have a lot of
>young, less powerful representatives due to term limits while other
>states keep their influential people.  If all states don't have term
>limits, I don't want my state to have them.

That's definitely the problem with state-by-state temr limits.

Besides, we already have a strong term limit provision built into
our Constitution: it's called VOTING. Yes, voting. Voting is the
act of the voter taking responsibility and putting his action where
his mouth is.

Does the system need to be further reformed to give challengers more
of a chance? Of course. Limit PAC money more; mandate at least one debate.
Stuff like that. With term limits, you are saying, "we, the voters, aren't
competent enough to take responsibility for choosing good people so we must
have term limits to throw out everybody."

That's smart. Instead of using your brain and throwing oujt the
bad ones, you throw out everyone. Real intelligent.

The way to get bums out is to vote them out.

Pull the lever or shut your mouth.
============================================================================
BRI FARENELL				Hate is not a family value.
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU
CLARKSON '95			
HOBBES: Why do we play war not peace? 	CALVIN: Too few role models.
===========================================================================
"We are not descended from fearful men... not from men who feared to write,
to speak, to associate and to defend causes which were, for the time, 
unpopular."		----Edward R Murrow
  

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott)
Subject: Re: That's it, man. Game OVER! (description of armageddon)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:01:00 GMT

In article <markts.722041074@mcl>, markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (mark.) writes...
> 
> i tend to agree with the end of the world
> scenario. but first economic alliances will
> be formed by most of the nations.
> 
> the us will either side with europe or 
> the asian nations.
> 
> the arab nations will get into the act by 
> siding with the former soviet states and their
> nuclear weapons.

I thought is was China and Iran...

> have i just described armageddon?
> i think so.
> might i be wrong?
> of course. i hope so.
> 
> mark.

We grow old, the body tends to corruption as 
tux's build up and errors accumulate.

Nations grow old, the state tends to consumption as
taxes build up and terrors calculate.

Species grow old, the race tends to compulsion as
toxins build up and tensions elevate.

There is the possibility that you won't die personally.
But it's easier just to accept it, and get on with living.

Same goes for the world, and all reality itself I reckon.
Might as well get on with it.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Trickle Down Economics
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:04:36 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:07:59 GMT

In article <Bxup6G.AHr@eis.calstate.edu> Kenneth Mitchell,
kmitche@eis.calstate.edu writes:
>I'm considerably less than impressed with Clinton's non-existant
>understanding of economics; his "plans" to eliminate the deficit and
>revitalize America's economy strike me as on a par with Nixon's "plan" to
>end the war in Viet Nam. That is to say, pure campaign rhetoric, wholely
>lacking in substance. 

Well according to 600 of our best economists, it is the only plan
that showed any understanding of macroeconomics of the three
presented. Admitedly, they all had their criticisms, but most of
them were implementation problems and disagreements in time scale
of implementation. Exactly what could anyone have said that you wouldn't
have cdonsidered campaign rhetoric?

>
>Your claims about the "religious right" controlling the Republican Party
>are COMPLETELY fatuous; while they might like to THINK that they do, they
>are no more in control of the GOP than the rooster is responsible for the
>sunrise. 

Wrong. Read the Republican platform. Listen to the speeches of the
"two Pats" (they wouldn't have been given the time of day as few years
ago when I was a Republican). Look at the success over the last decade
of PACS like the Moral Majority.....

>
>You're right on the mark about Bush; he's only marginally less
unqualified
>to be President than Clinton is. Like Slick Willie, he believes in
nothing
>other than that he should be President, and will do ANYTHING to get
>elected. His problems with the economy, however, are mostly the fault of
>Dan Rostenkowski and George Mitchell, who railroaded him into signing the
>1990 budget "deal", whereby Bush broke a promise that he had made, and
the
>Congress made a promise that they would break. (To never raise taxes, and
>to reduce federal spending, respectively).

That is crap. Even though I hated Reagan, he had an understanding of how
to get congress to do what he wanted. He agressively took the proposals
to the people and let them apply the pressure. Bush has no understanding
of
this. Furthermore, most of Bush's proposals are simple band-aids for
highly complex problems. Secondly, anyone who promises no new taxes
in a campaign should be taken with a grain of salt.

>
>But to vote for Clinton because you don't like Bush is the political
>equivalent of jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. And it IS
>foolish, and I can't help it if you don't like it. 

It would be if that were the only reason I voted for him. It wasn't.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60859 sci.econ:8757
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
Subject: Keynes and holes in the ground.
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:29:32 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	"In _The General Theory_, for example, Keynes suggests that the
Treasury should stuff old bottles with banknotes and bury them in abandoned
coal mines, then lease the rights to the mines, and "leave it to private
enterprise on well tried principles of laissez faire to dig the notes up
again."  This would boost demand and elminate unemployment.  He added:

		The analogy between this expedient and the gold mines of the
	real world is complete.  At periods when gold is available at suitable
	depths experience shows that the real wealth of the world increases
	rapidly; and when but little of it is available, our wealth suffers
	stagnation or decline.  Thus gold mines are of the greatest value and
	importance to civilization.  Just as wars have been the only form of
	large-scale loan expenditure which statesmen have thought justifiable,
	so gold mining is the only pretext for digging holes in the ground
	which has recommended itself to bankers as sound finance; and each of
	these activities has played its part in progress--failing something
	better."

	(_The Seven Fat Years_, pp 188-9.  Robert Bartley.)

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Subject: Pre/Post New Deal (part II)
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Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:46:05 GMT

	Numbers are from the Bureau of the Census

GNP in constant 1958 dollars.
(billions)
				Social Welfare
1929	 203.6		Year		% of GNP	% of Govt. spending
30'	 183.5		1890		2.4		38
31'	 169.3		1913		2.5		34
32'	 144.2		1929		3.9		36.3
33'	 141.5		1935		9.5		48.6
34'	 154.3		1940		9.2		49
35'	 169.5		1945		4.4		8.8  (WWII anomoly)
36'	 193		1950		8.9		37.6
37'	 203.2		1955		8.6		32.7
38'	 192.9		1960		10.6		38
39'	 209.4		1965		11.8		42.4
40'	 227.2		1970		15.3		47.8
41'	 263.7
42'	 297.8
43'	 337.1
44'	 361.3
45'	 355.2
46'	 312.6
47'	 309.9
48'	 323.7
49'	 324.1
50'	 355.3
51'	 383.4
52'	 395.1
53'	 412.8
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.rumors,alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: jlohrmann@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:23 PST
Subject: 1st Email: President-Elect's Office
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483600042:000:1592
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jlohrmann    Nov 19 22:23:00 1992


From: <jlohrmann>
Subject: 1st Email: President-Elect's Office

Today the Office of the President-Elect in Washington has began
electronic distribution of statements by the President-Elect.
As of this date, no policy statement has been released on
the frequency of distribution through this channel.  Nor has
a plan been released for on-going two-way communication.
However, given the interest of some transition team members
in the full utilization of electronic channels, it is expected
that regular use of this medium by the new administration
will be forthcoming.
Jeff Lohrmann



To: Clinton News <clinton-news-distr@campaign92.org>
Subject: Statement of the President-Elect on the death of Mrs. D. W. Bush

 Office of the President-Elect


 For Immediate Release:
 November 19, 1992

 Statement of the President-Elect

      I am saddened by the death today of President Bush's mother,
 Dorothy Walker Bush.  She was a remarkable woman, whom Hillary,
 Chelsea and I had the good fortune to meet in Maine several years
 ago. Throughout his life, President Bush has put his family first.

      I know it is a difficult day for the President and Mrs. Bush.
 Late this afternoon, I called President Bush to express our
 concerns.  Hillary and I offered our condolences and tonight, they
 are in our thoughts and prayers.

                               -30-30-30-

 Atkins Building
 105 W. Capitol Street, Suite 400
 Little Rock, Arkansas  72201



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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re:      Re: That's it, man.  Game OVER!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:52:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
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In a previous article, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott) says:

>>        Who said anything about the country?  I'm already IN the country.
>>        Nope. I seen enough.  I'm looking for ANOTHER country.
>>        I only need it to last 35 more years.  I figure my original
>>        cash injection should last that long.
>
>Good. I reckon there are a few Latin American countries where they 
>actually let you keep your savings rather than forcing you to turn it 
>into the Government for "investement."


      Actually, due to inflationary forces, I've come up with a better
      idea.  Several of the Caribbean islands have banking setups
      similar to Switzerland.  Know deposit, no government return.
    
>When one can't support an evil governance in good conscience, and taxes
>are taken from income -- then the obvious option is to make less income.
>
>When one can't support an evil governance in good conscience, and taxes
>are taken from sales  -- then the obvious option is to consume less.
>
>When one can't support an evil governance in good conscience, and taxes
>are taken on property -- then the obvious answer is to leave. (Stage 3)
>
>When the evil won't let you alone, and indeed will hunt you down on the
>mountain-top, surround you, kill you and your family.... well, short of
>returning evil for evil, or allowing them to enslave you, then the only 
>answer left is to die. Better to lose your short life, than your spirit.


          Well, at this point. evil has a fight on it's hands.

>
>>       I'm working on it.  Be patient.
>
>Yes. Patience. Agreed. It seems that evil in it's frenzy is blind to
>steady patient effort. 
>

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: GCTHORNE@idbsu.idbsu.edu (Broward Horne)
Subject:      I don't believe
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:10:41 MST
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       Well.

       After 16 years of watching my rights slowly dissolve...

       After 10 years of watching my government bankrupt me, and
         destroy my future...

       After listening to a bunch of lies from Corporations, blathering
         about "quality", and "teamwork"...

       no.

       I don't believe ANY of it anymore.

       NONE.

       I'm done.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:61256 alt.sex:37104 ca.politics:9790
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,ca.politics
Subject: Re: For Those Who Think That Gay Men Have Changed Their Behavior
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:10:17 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov21.044245.18718@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:
>In article <13326@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.163642.17801@cs.ucla.edu>, bigoldberg@igc.apc.org (Billi
> Goldberg) writes:
>>#                        AIDS Daily Summary
>>#                        November 19, 1992
>># ************************************************************************
>>#  "Almost One-Third of Gay Men in Study Admit to Unprotected Anal
>># Intercourse" Washington Post (11/19/92), P. A2
>[body of article deleted]
>
>>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>
>So what's your point, asshole?  Why not quote the articles (and they
>were all over the place yesterday) about the *growing* number of heterosexuals
>who are having sex with multiple partners without taking precautions?
>Frankly, based on polls I've read in the past, one-third isn't bad--
>education is helping, we just need more, as your little article noted.


The study seems to indicate that the problem of unprotected sex is
mainly located in the rural areas.  This was part of their target 
population for the study.  I would also point out that a majority
of gay people do not frequently go to bars.  And that of the people
who go to bars, probably the majority do not have a sexual encounter.

So the use of doing the study at the entrances to gay bars is to see
what this subset of gay people are doing when it comes to sex, and 
as they stated there is a need for better education in this area,
but of course in the rural areas, people in general don't want to
talk about it because it involves gay people.  So in the case where
those who oppose having anything taught or said about AIDS in their
small town and rural schools, they may well be comdemning to death
their own childern, becuase of their own unfounded fears.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:61316 ca.politics:9806 misc.legal:20298
From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Clinton and Dole v. Foley and Mitchell
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:47:42 GMT
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program

jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) writes:
>I found it refreshing that Clinton is willing to start off talking about
>a compromise on this, rather than trying to demand it all by claiming a
>mandate.  I'd prefer the 2/3 requirement for override myself, in order to
>cut down on pork-barrelling, but the 1/2 version is better than none.

I think the 1/2 requirement would at least weed out some pretty
embarassing items, while giving the public the pork they really
do feel is owed them (responsible government would (if it existed)
probably offend the people more than totally corrupt government).

-- 
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