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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.155022.22060@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>In <1992Nov12.124943.3877@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> dan@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Daniel Adams) writes:
>
>>What really amazes me is the way Honda is trying to convince Americans
>>that their products are American.  Not 5 years ago the biggest selling
>>point of Honda was that it was Japanese.  In fact there was major concern
>>of Honda-ites that the quality of American built Hondas would be lower 
>>than for Japanese built.  With the poor domestic economy over the past 
>>couple of years, there has been a resurgance of buy American, and 
>>Honda is taking steps to try to save their slipping sales.
>
>I never had any concern about where the cars were made. I consider
>Japanese design to be superior. I'm happy that my Civic was assembled in
>Ohio for economic reasons but I was never concerned about quality control.
>
>-Geoff
>--

it's not just the car desgin, but also the design of the process of building
the car as well parts supplier requirements.  just my $.02
Xref: sparky rec.autos:26619 rec.autos.driving:6584
From: davoli@natinst.com (Russell Davoli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:32:38 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
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In article <92845@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com writes:
>In article 10365@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>|>nbucknor@rpwmadhu.gmr.com (Norman Bucknor) writes:
>|>>this is public knowledge by the way (e.g., read this week's TIME magazine).
>|>
>|>It has also been reported in the WSJ that GM will ax two divisions.

A recent article in Fortune should be of interest to everyone following this
thread and the 'GM sickness' thread.  It covers the Big Three's mysterious
and generally counterproductive behavior through the 80s and tries to
explain how the companies are where they are today and where they might be
going.  The article goes into some detail about the reorganization of GM under
Roger Smith and gives one a good idea of just what those trying to reorganize
and reform GM are up against.  I really don't envy those guys.  The article
also explains why Chrysler is in such desperate straits today, despite having
created and sown up much of the minivan market.  I didn't have time to finish
it at the library, but it was very interesting reading.

-- Russell Davoli

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Need a car for trans USA trip.
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:09:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1dv2o9INNnol
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) says:

>We are travelling thruout the US in January/February and will be looking
>to buy a (very) cheap car to do it in. Any old Pontiac,Dodge,big ol'bus
>will be fine so long as the brakes work and it goes. Obviously we would 
>prefer a ragtop for when we get down south. We will be arriving in NY
>and we know it will be *freezing* but hey...what the heck ! We want to 
>stay under a grand (paintwork is not important 8->...) so any ideas ?
>Really...as long as it goes for ten weeks that's all we need.
>
>                                          ciao for now...
>                                                         Bigfoot.
>
hmm..ur just looking for trouble, huh!?!
(or do you only own a motor cycle right now?..)
DREW
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From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:36:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.123259.2473@infonode.ingr.com>, greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz) writes:
> sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) wonders:
> > I'm surprised to see that ethanol blends are more expensive than
> > pure gasoline in some areas.  Here in Omaha, Nebraska, ethanol
> > is always a few cents cheaper than the equivalent octane gasoline.
> 
> This is because ethanol gasoline is usually subsidized (expecially in
> farm states like Nebraska).  The subsidy is in the form of reduced 
> or eliminated taxes paid at the pump.
> 
> The last time I saw the numbers, Ethanol was only competitive with
> Gasoline when Petroleum was priced over $40 per barrel.  Petroleum
> today is around $21 and heading down.
> 
> There are qualitative reasons for using Ethanol, however.  By burning
> a gallon of Ethanol, we reduce the amount of Petroleum that we import
> by about .6 gallons.  

I'm not so sure about this.  I, for one, get worse gas mileage running with
the *blended* gas.  I was getting about 23 mpg with *normal* gas now I get 
about 20.  The gas is a 15% MTBE blend.  So, doing some quick math, say I've 
got a 20 gal. tank...  I could've gone 60 miles further with normal gas (3*20);
15% of 20 gallons is 3 (hey there's my 3 mpg loss!), so I've got to buy more
of the blended gas to get the same distance as I got from the normal gas.
Unless this mixture is actually burning cleaner, I fail to see the *benefit*
of running blended fuels.

-- Cris
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:30:55 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"There are some perfectly good reasons why one might want to
	have one's lights on after one has turned off the car's
	ignition."

Indeed.  Likewise the radio, the windshield wipers, and the power
windows.  That's what the ACCESSORY position on the ignition switch is
for.

Yes, I know that headlights draw a lot of current.  That's what relays
are for.

It's pretty obvious that American car headlight switches are intended
to build business for car battery suppliers.  ;-\

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Corvette Turbo
Keywords: Corvette turbo Calloway
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:59:24 GMT
Reply-To: jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

In article <1992Nov7.070750.10546@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth) writes:
>
>       Do Corvette's come in Turbo form? I was wondering if I could
>get a Corvette Turbo. Have they ever come with a Turbo?

Sure, Reeves Calloway (sp) modifies new Vettes with his turbo package.
Located in Connecticut - don't remember town.  Your Chevy dealer should
know.


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From: "karim rahemat" <karim.rahemat@canrem.com>
Subject: help chrysler!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: "karim rahemat" <karim.rahemat@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:39:34 EST


UG>A friend of mine had a similiar Chrysler car that sounded similiar to 
UG>His was not fuel injected though.  His died and would not start.  Very
UG>What the final verdict was his distributor was totally shot.  Shaft an
UG>The car would turn over, but not start.  Not sure if this helps, but c

Well thanks for the info, but I made definately sure that it wasn't that! 
(Thank GOD!).  After doing some more prodding around the engine.  I found 
out that the engine was not getting any gas and that the system was not 
getting any spark at all.  I called a Chrysler dealership (before the 
prodding around) and ask what would be the next best thing to check they 
said that it could be the distributer pickup.  Well I looked at the pickup 
with a big question mark on my head and then put it back in.  Well the 
situation is causing a grief thing with me and it's getting nowhere.

UG>BTW, how did you check the computer error codes????

I found the injection codes by turning the ignition 
ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON in succession.  After that the ENGINE light will 
come up and the POWER LOSS light will go on.  Now count the number of 
times that the POWER LOSS light goes off. This is the first digit of 
the fuel injection code. After 5 seconds the POWER LOSS light will flash 
again this is now the second digit of the code.  Look up the code in the 
fuel injection book and there you have it.

Here are the codes for fuel injection:

11- Engine not cranked since battery disconnected
12- Memory standby power lost
13- MAP sensor pneumatic circuit *
14- MAP sensor electrical circuit *
15- Vehicle speed/distance sensor circuit
16- Loss of battery voltage
17- Engine running too cold
21- Oxygen sensor circuit
22- Coolant sensor circuit *
23- Throttle body temperature curcuit
24- Throttle position circuit
25- Automatic Idle Speed (AIS) motor driver circuit
26- Peak injector circuit internal problem
27- Logic module fuel circuit internal problem
31- Purge solenoid circuit
33- Air conditioning cutout relay circuit
35- Cooling fan relay circuit
37- Shift indicator light circuit
41- Charging system excess or lack of field current
42- Automatic Shutdown relay driver circuit
43- Spark interface circuit
44- Battery temperature out of range
46- Battery voltage too high *
47- Battery voltage too low
51- Oxygen sensor stuck in lean position
52- Oxygen sensor stuck in rich position
55- End of Message

* - Activates POWER LOSS light and may force car into LIMP mode (can't go 
any faster than 32 mph without any damage but service soon.)

Well thats all folks!

karim



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From: cmkuo@cs.utexas.edu (Chin-Ming Kuo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:45:28 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Nov13.164652.27209@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
%%TVR Griffin
%%Caterham Super 7
%%Renault Clio
%%Aston MArtin Vantage
%%Alfa Romeo SZ (tastefully ugly)
%%Toyota Aristo


Aristo is coming to US as LEXUS G300. IMHO, this is the first hit of Lexus
in the styling category.
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From: george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:53:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Mechanical Engineering


:
:Excuse if I'm wrong on this, but doesn't an alternator put out about
:the same amount of current at any speed?  

it would seem, then that alternator load would not be much affected 
by alternator speed. ( only by electrical load )

any drag racers or autocrossers out there try electrically
disconnecting the alternator?

--
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\/ *  george@mech.seas.upenn.edu
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:23:35 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1dh14kINN7dg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>HELLO!!! i am commenting on the fact that you make the claim that piston
>motors burn oil, also by design.  

   Dear Andrew.  

   After you find a store where you can purchase a clue, see if you
   can find anyone familiar with the term "blow-by rings".  

   Sorry, but some piston engines--usually those designed to stay
   in one piece at high rpm--ARE designed to allow small amounts of
   oil stay on the cylinder walls PAST the upper limit of the rings
   when the piston is fully down.  

   Amazingly enough, if you make the oil seal tight enough to
   prevent this, the engine tends to wear out much faster.  

   Of course that is a matter of a practical engine versus a
   theoretical "perfect" engine....

   Whether this is "by design" is a semantic distinction...and you
   obviously nothing better to do than engage in quibbling, but I
   do.



>your car burns an ounce of oil, but it does mean that if my piston powered
>was burning up to a quart every 500(and was not a porsche, or some other
>extremely over-stressed design)i would rebuild it!...it is worn way too far
>at that point!(where did i get 500 miles??..out of a Mazda rotary owner's
>manual..i do NOT know what yours sez, but that IS what this one says..oil
>consumption up to 1qt per every 500 miles is considered acceptable..maybe
>for the rotary, but not in a piston powered...with possible exceptions...
>but is DEFINATELY NOT the NORM!)
 
    NOR is it really for the Rotary.  But since you are so !@#$!
    well informed, I won't bother to repeat my oil consumption
    figures on a 107K mile engine....  I'd junk the thing if it ever
    used that much oil.  Only a Jaguar, and an old one at that,
    would do THAT bad.   

    But, you, with a single data point, are the expert, so continue
    to rave on....


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From: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Reply-To: rat@erg.sri.com (Ray Trent)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 22:46:15 GMT

In the referenced article, walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) writes:
>	Mt '78 Wagoneer "wow i can't believe it started" again"  after
>being driven 10 minutes and after haveing a tune up 2 months before hand
>had 0 HC and 0.00 % CO.  Believe it or not.  No catalytic converter or
>any real emissions stuff.

Just another opportunity to point out that the emissions that are
measured in "smog tests" are not the most damaging emissions (i.e.
they don't measure ozone and NOx production). They measure the
emissions that they measure because these are the ones that are cheap
and easy to detect. 

The assumption is that if your car registers low HC and COx, it is
tuned properly and the emissions gear is all in place, thus the nasty
emissions will also be low, even though they aren't directly measured.

The emissions that catalytic converters deal with are primarily the
nastier O3 and NOx emissions that aren't measured.

Just because your car passes "smogs" with flying colors doesn't mean
that it isn't polluting.

This may change...some companies are rumored to have developed
potentially cheap reliable O3 and NOx detectors that don't require
lots o' expensive and dangerous reagents.

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From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:04:45 GMT

point 1.) Maximas are Nissans. (I know, Generic Japanese cars...all the same.)
 
point 2.) Are you guys done yet? all the ">>>>>>>"s make this thread rather
	  difficult to follow. (I know, stop bitchin' and get back to work.)

							;)

								-ks
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From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:32:59 GMT

sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) wonders:
> I'm surprised to see that ethanol blends are more expensive than
> pure gasoline in some areas.  Here in Omaha, Nebraska, ethanol
> is always a few cents cheaper than the equivalent octane gasoline.

This is because ethanol gasoline is usually subsidized (expecially in
farm states like Nebraska).  The subsidy is in the form of reduced 
or eliminated taxes paid at the pump.

The last time I saw the numbers, Ethanol was only competitive with
Gasoline when Petroleum was priced over $40 per barrel.  Petroleum
today is around $21 and heading down.

There are qualitative reasons for using Ethanol, however.  By burning
a gallon of Ethanol, we reduce the amount of Petroleum that we import
by about .6 gallons.  
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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 05:32:36 GMT

In article <BxooCI.Gz2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>	In reply to a reply of one of my posts:
>
>	I congratulate you on not letting CR make your mind up for you on these
>issues.  I don't get CR anymore (my dad got it for a while, but stopped.), but
>last summer I saw them tell people that the Diamond Star triplets are a 
>substitution for the Saturn SC.  The SC tops off at $17K, while the Diamonds
>are just getting started at that range.  They are NOT the same type of car at
>any stretch of the imagination.  Also, I've seen tests with Barettas (sp?)
>compared with 240sx's.  They, even according to C/D, are not the same type of
>car.  The Baretta has a functional back seat, and they differ on other issues,
>too.  So IMHO, CR simply knows nothing about what they are talking about.
>
From what planet did you cme from? Before you are going to say
CU doesn't know what they are talking about you better know what
you are talking about. The Mitsu Eclipse, for example, STARTS
at $9.5k which I believe to be LESS than a Saturn SC!

When you say you've seen these things care to elaborate? Have you
actually bothered to read anything they wrote? 

You are trashing a whole magazine based on some cars they have
compared
not on how the comparisons actually turned out. And, how are these
cars so vaslty different from each other?

Do you have any better arguement than this to trash CU? I mean
look at an example of their rating of the 240SX and see what thewy
actually say. Can you be more specific on what they are wrong about?

For example, tell me how the Eclipse and Sc are so different 
that they can't be compared. Just don;t make an assertion
back up what you have to say.

So far this just looks to be the typical bias against CU. 
Maybe there is some truth to the bias, but this certainly did not
shed any light on it. 

Are you the same person who said they rated in terms of reliability
the diamond star triplets differently, when in fact they were
identical!! That is even a worse case of bias.

john



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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:02:31 GMT

In article <BxLDEI.6J7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>Audis are damn nice cars, but I honestly believe they are still being hurt by
>that absurd Consumer Reports scandal a few years back.  Remember that:
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"Audi 5000's have the tendency to accelerate unexpectedly if their pinhead
>owners depress the wrong pedal while engaging Drive or Reverse"
>
>Also, Audi is not as much of a "status" name as BMW or Mercedes, and for many,
>many people, a Subaru may just be enough; that seems to be THE dominant car
>in places like Colorado and Montana.
>-- 
	_Consumer_Reports_ has a tendancy to favor one brand of cars over 
another, and their pinhead readers have a tendancy to take them seriously.
Why do they like Honda's so much, IMHO (I own one, and  have tested a few)
All their models (save the old CRX Si) are grossly underpowered and grossly
overpriced.  But my Civic DOES handle like a gem.
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From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: High-mount Rear Brake Lights
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 15:09:20 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Nov4.191005.443@mlb.semi.harris.com> luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni) writes:
>  Why not complain about people who only use high beams
>and people who feel the need to have 1 Million candlepower driving lights on all the
>time. Or maybe about bad drivers or stupid traffic laws.  :-) :-( :-> :-<
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IMHO the extra brake light is just that--a stupid traffic law. I personally
prefer amber turn signals and the tail/brake light combination.  If the extra
brake light had been an option on my last new car purchase I would have asked
the dealer to remove it.

Chas



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From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Service Engine soon light coming on
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:04:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.201239.6035@pei.com> wcl@pei.com writes:
>With modern cars today that service light can mean any number of things.  Your car
>is probably wired with a number of sensors and if any of them detect something wrong
>that light will go on.  It's anybody's guess what specifically wrong with your car.
>Best thing to do is bring your car to the dealer.  There a technician will hook your
>car to a computer and your car will spit out a code indicating the cause of the
>problem.  

There are also manuals that tell you how to do this yourself, given a
little curiosity and motivation.  However, note that on some cars
"Service Engine Soon" simply means that your odometer has reached a
point at which maintenance is scheduled (e.g., 30K and 60K miles).  If
this is the case, the dealer will perform whatever maintenance is
scheduled for your car and mileage, and flip a switch to shut off the
light until the next scheduled maintenance point.

I'm not familiar enough with "electronic cars" to tell whether an
indicator of this sort would stay off until the engine warms up, etc.,
so take this advice with a grain of salt, and take your car to the
dealer and ask lots of questions, so next time you'll know what that
light is trying to tell you.
____________________________________________________________________________
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: HELP WITH FLORIDA INSURANCE <E-MAIL REPLY PLEASE>
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:47:14 GMT

Hi everyone, I'll make this real short and simple.

I just moved to Florida (Melbourne) and need to get insurance.

Who should I check? What are the laws as opposed to California?

Later!

Marshal
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