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From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:29:44 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1993Jan8.121032.19416@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>>
>>
>
>Ok TU, no need to be confused.  I went into s.c.china and was surprised
>that the bozo's article is still there.  He is at an4767, not an3879.  I am
>enclosing the article here and you should double check with s.c china
>yourself.  (Sorry folks for taking up so much bandwidth)
>
>Dan 
Dan, I left the the origional article, for ref. Could you please indicate what has enraged yoy so about this post? I have never used anon.etc, but i suppose that people might use it to pose t personals. Maybe i'm on the wrong thread. Let me know, please.
Phil


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>From lmpsbbs!mothost!ftpbox!uunet!mcsun!fuug!anon Fri Jan  8 11:45:26 CST 1993
>Article: 48959 of soc.culture.china
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Path: lmpsbbs!mothost!ftpbox!uunet!mcsun!fuug!anon
>From: an4767@anon.penet.fi
>Subject: Single Male (OH) seeks East Asian Female
>Message-ID: <1993Jan5.232309.16927@fuug.fi>
>Sender: anon@fuug.fi (The Anon Administrator)
>Organization: Anonymous contact service
>X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
>Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 00:04:29 GMT
>Lines: 20
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am a single male in Cincinnati, ISO a single east asian woman in the
>Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana area. I am 5'8", 170 lbs, black hair, brown eyes
>and 25 years old. My interests include dancing, going to plays and shows,
>discovering new restaurants etc etc ... I like classic rock, progressive
>and some techno music like KWS. 
>
>If you are in the general area of Cincinnati and are interested in 
>exchanging email, talking, or getting together, let me know. 
>
>Oh ... all I desire in a person is an open mind and a sense of adventure :-).
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
>and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned.
>
>
From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:12:06 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

garyt@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Gary Terusaki) writes:

>In article <C0I74F.9DC@news.rich.bnr.ca>, thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
>> In article <9301070808.AA00541@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>> >George Wu writes:
>> 
>> [stuff gone]
>> 
>> >>     I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
>> >>role of a mainstream American movie.
>> >
>> 
>> [other comments gone]

>Did any of you see the premier of "Space Rangers" on TV?  Okay, it's not
>Star Trek, and it's kinda trashy.  But, bear with me.

>One of the characters in this interplanetary cop show is an Oriental like
>alien played by Cary Hironaka(?).  Like most portrayals of cops assigned 

Other Oriental - like aliens in the more popular show, Star Trek TNG, are:
Romulans, with their stereotypically asian bowl-like hair cuts (black hair
color), and their Oriental style costumes. - The Vulcans do not have Oriental
costumes.  Ifn fact, the "good" oriental-like vulcans are hardly ever mentioned
in the new series.  The Romulans are a militaristic "Empire" antagonistic
to the Federation, the "goodguys."

Pherengi - short, round faced, head-flaps reminiscent of samurai helmets,
	raw meat (ie. "sushi") is a delicacy for them, has awful luck
	with women, are usually involved in "sneaky" plots, immasculate,
	and are nortorius merchants, and are TRADE COMPETITORS with the
	Federation.

Do you ever see enemy aliens with hair color other than black 
	in Star Trek TNG?  I can't imagine the producers planning
	a major alien enemy race with blond or red hair. >;-) 

disclaimer: the above was just pure coincidence, & metaphors are just 
	coincidence too, huh? ;-)
	So what, it's only a TV show seen by millions of people, your
	neighbors, people you'll meet later in life, your children,
	fellow students and coworkers, some of whom never have met
	an asian/black/hispanic/white person or have personally known one
	in their entire life.

>to the worst districts, he is big, bad, and ugly.  However, he IS one
>of the good guys, and in his spare time, he reads POETRY.

>He also mentions his training with the sword.  In spite of 
>his skill, he is almost done in by the bad guy.

>So people, are we making any progress yet?
>:)
I hope so.

>-- 
>Gary Terusaki  : Tektronix, Inc.      : "Do, or do not.  There is no try."
>UNIX Software  : Box 500, DS 50-454   :      -- Yoda
>(503) 627-2309 : Beaverton, OR  97077 : 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 20:52:44 GMT

In article <C0KFww.Fx6@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T
Wei) writes:
>Here is what I don't get: why are the Japanese students being credited as the
>"smart ones"???

In Japan, the average (i.e. typical) student is comparable in
scientific and mathematical intellectual to the top 5% of American students.

>China won all three Math/Physics/Chemistry Olympiads this year,

This indicates nothing as I've said 20 or 30 times.

The typical Chinese-cu have little regard for education.  The people
from China, who win those awards, come from the top 5%[1] of their society.
That doesn't prove that Chinese-cu have a high regard for education.
The typical Chinese-cu lives in the countryside (70% of the population,
down from 80% about 10 years ago) and couldn't care less about education.

It's one thing to educate _all_ the people (i.e. in S. Korea and Japan)
and another thing to educate _only_ the elite (i.e. in China).

[1]  It is closer to 0.05%

>the American graduate schools are being flooded by students from China,
>and Chinese schools are just as intense as the Japanese schools (if not more)

The 8th-grade literacy rate in China is much lower than in either Japan
or the USA.  The 3rd-grade literacy rate in China is closer to the USA
and Japan but is still lower.

Being able to educate the elite does not mean a thing for the nation.

>I don't think Beijing Univ is easier to get into than Tokyo Univ or Harvard
>(Beijing Univ is probably THE hardest school in the WORLD to get into:
>so many hard-working Chinese students all aiming for that school.. Well, maybe
>QingHua too, but still)

Being able to educate the elite does not mean a thing for the national.

P.S.
The educational statistics in Taiwan are skewed because 15% of the population
came from the very elite in Chinese-cu society.  They fled China around 1949
with Chiang-Kai Shek.

Any statistics that you see about Chinese-cu students being top-notch should
be ignored as meaningless.  What those statistics (including the ones in 
Scientific American) say is that the _top_ _5%_ of Chinese-cu students is
better than the _average_ American student.

On the contrary, what statistics about Korean-cu students and Japanese-cu
students say is that the _average_ Korean-cu student and Japanese-cu student
is better at science and math than the _average_ American-cu student.  That's
a meaningful analysis, compared to the one in the above paragraph.

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From: haniff@argon.berkeley.edu (Tariq M. Haniff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: AA & sports
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: argon.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan10.013256.21574@netcom.com> timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>|yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu) writes:
	[professional sports stuff deleted]
>|Well some AAs do have the height and strenght.  An AA friend of my used
>|to play H. S. football (some affluent Chicago burb).  However he had to
>|quit during his sr. year due to some parental presure.  I can understand
>|how he parents feel cos as a fb player he could be quite injury prone.
>
>For size, how about sumo?  There are a few Americans from the
>Pacific Islands who are stirring things up in Japan.

That's right!  All three are of Samoan descent and lived in Hawaii
before entering Japan's Sumo stables.  I don't know their real names
but they compete under the names of Konishiki, Akebono and Musashimaru.

Konishiki is probably the best known.  He is a whopping 230kg(?).
He has won several tournaments yet has not been promoted to 
Yokozuna (grand champion; the highest rank). Akebono won the Winter 
tournament just last month.  Musashimaru is also near the top.

-Tariq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Wonderful Chinese-American women
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:25:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.024543.14538@mtu.edu> barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera) writes:
>
>p.s. You sure you ain't white?  :) :) :)

No he ain't.  If he were, some one would have given him the Asian-fetish
label ...

>-chris barrera    barrera@mtu.edu   gorim@irc  :-)

Dan   (who is trying to master the art of sarcasm ... )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:42:19 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1993Jan12.155105.16776@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>> Part of the problem is simply lack of opportunity:  I just haven't

About some stuf by alan:>
>Alan points out a really interesting dilemma here.
>Assimilate or Separate!  (You can really see this
>going on at college campuses too).  Could this
>be a *false* dilemma, that people are pushed into?
>
>comments?
>
Yes!! Divide and conquer. Make it so that "minorities"-asian, native, black, green, purple, do not realise that people of colour significantly outnumber people of colour on this earth.  A chinese-canadian guy who just came to grad school told me last week, when i said that i feel strange now that im going pale black - "at least i can lose my tan". Why do people so seek to be classed as white. I mean, its not bad or any thing (tounge in cheek), but id rather me me , black. I can see moving to canada from Be


jing. But attempting to be someting one is not, and has been brainwashd i  to believing you should be, no, we have got to stop this.
Phil.
>SteveS
> 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:13:45 GMT

In article <C0po5n.1DF@news.udel.edu> philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Hite) writes:
>In article <1iss80INN2eb@uwm.edu> nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shenina Louise Jones) writes:
>>

[inquiry into African-American female and Asian-American male deleted]

[answer stating "date within race" experience partially deleted]
>
>I have a Black female friend from high school who has been dating a Cambodian
>guy, and I know she experiences alot of problems from other Blacks and of
>course many Asians.  Then again, the East Coast is very uptight about such
>things to begin with. 

from what i've seen, i would venture to say that the resentments towards 
dating outside one's race would stem mostly from the males in the
female's ethnic group.  comes from the overprotective people who can't
handle the fact that one of "us" actually likes one of "them."

if you're interested, a while back, someone (asian-american i believe)
"advertised" for a fun-loving african-american female...followed shortly
by another person's advertisement for an adventurous asian-american
female.  note:  the second post came from an anonymous account and
the poster was promptly toasted, tarred and feathered, then thrown
into a pool of hungry pirahnas.  :-)

laly thao


  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: bimbos
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:25:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi> an3879@anon.penet.fi writes:

>I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls
>that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>(I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>too gung ho American.
>
>I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.

*** SARCASM WARNING ***

     I know several black men.  It seems that all the black men I know who
grew up or were born here in America are criminals.  They wear tons of
jewelry, wear too much cologne, swear too much, wear clothes that are too
tight and tank tops and the like, and all seem to use drugs and steal to
support their drug habits.

     I hate the,  Everytime I see one of them, I just want to call the
police.

     Or was this a supposedly funny prank played upon that other poster's
anonymous ID service?

							George



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From: johns@m.mscs.mu.edu (John Simms)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:58:21 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: m.mscs.mu.edu

In article <C0KFww.Fx6@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1ilce9INNh9r@spool.mu.edu> johns@m.mscs.mu.edu (John Simms) writes:
>>>A lot of Japanese kids just don't get many chances to 'have fun' and 
>           ^^^^^^^^
>>>'be kids'. Many are pushed onto the "shushoku" train from day one, and
>>>they aren't enjoying it.
>>
>>For quite a while now there's been a lot of concern in the U.S. mathematical
>>community about how poorly U.S. students compare in mathematics with non-U.S.
>>students.  The research that's been done on this indicates that the problem is
>>very real, not getting better, and that some of the principal reasons for this
>>are that some of what are described above as attributes of the Japanese school
>                                                                ^^^^^^^^
>>system (rote memorization, etc.) are really more characteristic of U.S.
>>schools.  Two sources for this are the book "The Learning Gap," by Harold W.
>>Stevenson and James W. Stigler, which I happen to have before me, and a
>>research article in "Science" that appeared this week (I think) and whose
>>other bibliographical particulars I can't remember.  One finding in the
>>"Science" article is that Japanese kids actually report LESS stress than U.S.
>>kids do.
>
>Here is what I don't get: why are the Japanese students being credited as the
>"smart ones"???
>China won all three Math/Physics/Chemistry Olympiads this year,
>the American graduate schools are being flooded by students from China,
>and Chinese schools are just as intense as the Japanese schools (if not more)
>I don't think Beijing Univ is easier to get into than Tokyo Univ or Harvard
>(Beijing Univ is probably THE hardest school in the WORLD to get into:
>so many hard-working Chinese students all aiming for that school.. Well, maybe
>QingHua too, but still)
>
>Ning Wang

The research I've seen does, in fact, support just this:  Japanese kids do
better than U.S. kids, and Chinese kids do better than Japanese kids, though
it's often close between the Chinese and Japanese kids.  The sources I cited
above compare Sendai, Taipei, Beijing, Minneapolis, and Chicago schools (if I
remember correctly).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:07:12 GMT

In article <73214@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
>The South Asian group includes Bangladesh, Sri-Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan,
>and the Maldives. The Fijis and Guyana are also close to 50% S. Asian.
>
>The reason few S. Asians participate in "Asian-American" issues,
>is because "Asian-American" means "East-Asian-American" in the
>USofA.

Why do people keep insisting this?  As long as everyone insists that:
	South Asian Americans aren't Asian Americans
	Asian Americans are really Orientals
	Orientals are those people who look like Japs and Chinks and Gooks
we're not going to make any progress.  All of this racial terminology
is pretty out-of-date to start with.  (I mean, "the Orient" used to
mean the Middle East, aka Western Asia.)  Why quibble on obsolete
semantic nitpicks?  Why accept an obsolete notion that excludes, when
there is a more current notion that includes?

	Despite some shared religion (Buddhism, Hinduism (with
>Indonesia), and Islam (with Malaysia & Indonesia)) East-Asians
>and South-Asians have little in common.
>
>Hassan

Assuming we're talking about South-Asian Americans and East-Asian Americans,
I disagree.  In terms of US immigrant experience, we've got a lot more
in common:

Historically, these groups were both imported as cheap agricultural labor
in the 19th century.  They were both targetted by white racist groups,
and they were both excluded from immigration.

Like other non-white immigrants, both groups were legally prohibitted from
becoming naturalized US citizens by a 1790 (+/- a few years) law that
remained on the books until 1952.  This had enormous social repercussions,
such as being prohibited from owning land in California.

Both groups have immigrated in much greater numbers in recent years,
thanks to revisions in immigration law in 1965.  As a result, both
groups are majority foreign-born.  With the immigrant generation being
highly educated because of the immigration preference given to professionals.

Second generation Asian Americans of both groups must struggle with
the conflict between a highly-developed, conservative, and ancient
culture and the reality of growing up as an American in America.

Both groups are presumed foreign by the US media and establishment.
Both groups are perceived as a foreign, un-American threat whenever their
numbers increase.  Both groups are targetted for violence by neo-Nazi groups.

						--Alan Hu
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: anonymous accounts
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:49:43 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Ah, the bad side of having anonymous accounts.

People will post anything they please will say anything
no matter how racists or insulting. 

And will do it with complete immunity. They can harass anyone they wish
accuse anyone of anything.

And as word gets around more and more people will abuse this.

And the noise/signal ration will approach infinity.

:(

- jon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 13:44:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <SHAW.93Jan4223234@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu>
  <1993Jan6.205049.16496@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
  <1993Jan8.140439.12779@nynexst.com>


>  I tend to agree, except that I don't think the "prejudice" is necessarily
>  learned here in America.  Recently I've come to notice a lot of my
>  South Asian colleagues making un-PC remarks about Blacks, Hispanics
>  and "Orientals" and not thinking anything was wrong with what they
>  said.  In fact it was the White PC-Police here that protests and
>  gives them a hard time.  So I don't think they're necessarily trying
>  to impress the whites.  It was pointed out that they are even prejudiced
>  within their own groups.  For example, you can tell by the last name
>  what caste and ethnic group a person is and decide to talk or not talk
>  to them.  My husband (medical resident) works where a lot of South Asian
>  doctors and nurses work, and they are constantly complaining that this
>  doctor is prejudiced because he's from this group and so on.  Of course
>  to a white person, they all look the same, but within their own groups
>  they have a caste hierarchy and an ethnic breakdown.  I've already posted
>  where this same person said that he didn't want to hire this "Oriental"
>  because he didn't like his accent.  So the white PC-police said, how about
>  your accent?  Then this person says, "hey I can understand my accent, but
>  I can't understand his, and it is a work problem when no-one can understand
>  his accent."  Notice how it went from "I can't understand" to "no-one
>  can understand."  From a prejudiced background, you can expect them to
>  come to America and add on some new prejudices to reflect the new conditions.

>  Meanwhile the East Asians also have their homegrown prejudices between
>  the different countries.  So it is only an extension of prejudice to
>  add on prejudice against Blacks and Hispanics.  If people weren't already
>  prejudiced, they'd probably not pick up new ones.  I know that I don't
>  pick up any new prejudices.  For example, if the Bengali guy tells me
>  that he doesn't like Sikhs, it doesn't influence me in any way whatsoever.
>  To me they are all just another person.  I could care less what caste
>  they're from.  If they tell me they're Brahmin it doesn't make me think
>  any higher or lower of them.

My experience has been South Asians (yes thats the PC term) drop
thier prejudices when they leave their homeland. Tolarance off different
S. Asian groups seem to be stronger when faced with a new culture.
We also feel extemely uncomfortable explaining "Ayodhya" like 
incidents to our non-South Asian friends.

On the other hand prejudice towards European-Americans, African-Americans
and Asian-Americans does exist. This tends to occur more so amoung
the merchantile class than the college people (Poor Indian Graduate
Students - P.I.G.S. :-).

Hassan
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