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From: lazaro@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Lazaro Nunez)
Subject: Re: Franco on TV tonight
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:24:03 GMT

Since we are in the subject of Franco, I was wondering if somebody could
help me here.
About five months ago the Spanish Embassy in Canada showed us two movies
at mine (Mine? I only wish!) university, and since it was a freebie I decided
to go (I would have gone anyway, I love Spanish cinema).
Anyway, there was a movie about Franco whose title I'm trying to remember
so I could recommend it to a friend of mine, but there is no way for it
to pop up into my head.
In the movie a guy was kidnapped and was forced to learn all of Franco's
mannerisms, including his way of talking; and thus when that was 
achieved he replaced Franco in all public ceremonies. It was a well done
satire and I really enjoyed it. The only actress I recognized in the
movie is the wife of the fake Franco that was played by the Jehova's
witness caretaker (encargada) in Almodovar's "Mujeres al borde de un ataque
de nervios".
Could somebody tell me either the title of the movie, the name of the director
or the actor who played both Francos? If all of that can be supplied, even
better. Either post or e-mail. I would really appreciate it. 
Thanks in advance,

-- 
| Lazaro Nun~ez Figueiral         ||  !Lloran sobre el Mar de Cuba	     |
| Memorial University of Nfld.    ||  enormes flores bermejas;	             |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa 42147)
Subject: Re: Ref: AHORA QUE LAS LLAMAS SE HAN CALMADO UN POCO
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:37:33 GMT

In article <r_gyjkb@rpi.edu> lima@pluto.ral.rpi.edu (Pedro Lima) writes:
>In article <16sq33INNmp1@chaph.usc.edu> Paco Garcia-Serrano <serrano@ATHENA.BERKELEY.EDU> writes:
>>El que Camo~es se refierira a sus paisanos como espan~oles [...]
[...]
>I am writing in english because my written spanish would have too much errors
>to be acceptable. Also notice that this is not another portuguese sending
>flames, but only one interested in the subject:

The same thing here, replacing "Brazilian" for "Portuguese".

>Eventhough I trust your reference to Camo~es words, neither I have here 
>"Os Lusi'adas" nor I can recall that segment, but I strongly believe your
>interpretation is out of historical context. 

So do I. I _did_ consult "Os Lusiadas" yesterday, though, and
especially the part where he narrates the history of Portugal. Camoes
preferred to refer to specific kingdoms or regions (Leon, Castille,
Aragon, Granada), and so there are not many references to "Espanha" or
"hispano". There are two significant instances, though: one is after
the battle of Ourique, where the _Moors_ from the Alentejo (now in
Portugal) are called "hispanos":

        Ja' fica vencedor o Lusitano,
        Recolhendo os trofeus e a presa rica;
        Desbaratado e roto o Mauro hispano,
        Tre^s dias o gra~o Rei no campo fica.

The second reference refers to the time when Afonso IV is asked by his
daughter Maria to help Castille against the Moors (his daughter was
married to the king of Castille):

        E, vendo o rei sublime castelhano
        A forc,a inexpugnabil, grande e forte,
        Temendo mais o fim do povo hispano,
        Ja' perdido u~a vez, que a propria morte,
        Pedindo ajuda ao forte Lusitano,
        Lhe mandava a carissima consorte,
        Mulher de quem a manda, e filha amada
        Daquele a cujo reino foi mandada.

The "Lusitano" is asked to help the "povo hispano". It is clear from
Maria's speech that she's asking for help in a war that is not Afonso's
problem, and "Espanha" is mentioned there again.

I think it wouldn't be possible for Camoes to consider himself Spanish,
given the historical and political circumstances of his time (the tomb
of Ferdinand and Isabella in Granada has the arms of all regions of
Spain in a frieze around the ceiling, each held by a black eagle.  I
was surprised to find that the arms of Portugal are there too, the only
ones without an eagle. I wonder what a 16th-century Portuguese tourist
would think seeing his country as "next in line").

On the other hand, attitudes to language were more relaxed than they
are today, and Camoes _did_ write in Spanish from time to time (not to
mention Gil Vicente, who wrote a quarter of his plays in Spanish).
Maybe it is this flexibility that leads the Spanish to claim he thought
he was Spanish (like they claim Gil Vicente as their own)?
-- 
-- Paulo da Costa           /\/\   Minha terra tem palmeiras   /\/\
-- dacosta@prl.philips.nl   \/\/   Onde canta o sabia'...      \/\/
From: serrano@ATHENA.BERKELEY.EDU (Paco Garcia-Serrano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Ref: AHORA QUE LAS LLAMAS SE HAN CALMADO UN POCO
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:25:12 GMT
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Distribution: world
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TheLusiads used the word "Espanha" ambiguously.  If Espanha is taken to mean
Iberian, then the Portuguese were Hispanic or Spanish.  I personally think
 Camo~es used the word meaning Iberia, I,m not trying to include Portugal in the
Spanish State, I'm simply trying to make the point that the conceot of
 "Espan~a"is hard to define. It has many ambiguous meanings, as a result we are
 still
discussing about it today.
I also prefer codfish and vinho verde over a Burger and I would listen to Ama-
lia Rodrigues' Fados over Rap Music.
--Paco
serrano@athena.berkeley.edu
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: ABC kids!
Date: 18 Aug 1992 21:49:50 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Joe Wang writes:
>Minghsun Liu writes:
>>I think my biggest optimism amongst all thse chaos is that every
>>summer, when I return to Taiwan, I see changes for the better while
>>the US is going WAY backward. 
>
>Strange.  I've noticed the same thing.  Both Taiwan and Mainland seem
>to be going forward, and the United States is going backward very,
>very quickly.  
>
>One thing the really shock me for example is the fact that the United
>States had a major riot in one of its cities a few months ago, yet no
>one in the Presidental campaign seems to notice or care.

First of all, the United States is very young.  We've spurted and
sprouted, and now we are going through an adjustment phase.  Look at
how advanced technologically and politically we have come in the past
200+ years.

This is one of the few countries I know of in which was can have
PEACEFUL elections and the country is still stable while in transition
between leaders.  We have become a military might through a few wars.
China (and Taiwan, sort of) had 5000 years to get to today, and only
now is the standard of living rising.

Now, as to the riot, that was the response of citizens striving to be
heard, wanting their cause to be visible to everyone.  The government
restored peace and justice is being served (however you may want to
debate the LAPD issue.)  What did the Chinese government do in
response?  They used military firepower against unarmed students, for
God's sake!  To this day, do we know how many students were plowed
down?  At least here in the U.S., we're honest.

Politicians who don't care that the riot just occurred?  Not to worry,
local government cares very much.  All the citizens of LA care.  We
will rise above the ashes.  They won't be swept under the rug like the
Chinese government did with their students.  Massacre?  What massacre?
Didn't Tian An Men open for tourism again?  What blood?

	-- Anita --

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Taiwan Baseball Players
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:48:39 PDT

After watching the Olympic baseball team from Taiwan march on to
a silver medal at the Olympics, I began wondering what
the structure for baseball in Taiwan is.  They are quite successful
at the Little League, and Olympic levels, that is clear, but
what do the players who participated in the Olympic games
do for a living?   Are these professional baseball players?
Do they have regular non baseball jobs, and if so how much
time do they get off to practice and play together.
Are the olympic players the same guys who 10-15 years ago
were playing on the championship little league teams?

In short, how is baseball structured, for adults, in Taiwan.
Do the best players wind up in Japan?  Playing pro
baseball for Japanese teams.

-Roger
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Taiwan Embassies
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:58:50 GMT

Just curious... does Taiwan have trade missions in a lot of countries 
that do not "officially" recognize ROC but PRC?  I know that in some 
places, countries that have the problem have others take care of things 
(I believe Belgium handles affairs for Israel in some countries, and I 
think there's a Taiwan Trade Delegation in the US). Upon reading the post 
about termination of times beteen the ROK & ROC, I was wondering if ROC 
will keep some sort of official presence (trade mission, what have you) 
in Korea, or just get out. What is the norm in countries where Taiwan is 
not the officially recognized China?
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: pan@abacus.hut.fi (Huachen Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: (none)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:34:10 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Questions about romanization of Chinese in Taiwan:

When I read this news group I notice there are several (at least two) kinds
of romanization, when someone tries to explane Chinese words. The one I
am familiar is the mainland Ping1 Ying1

To my surprise is that many authors who are not originated from mainland
can write quite correct mainland Ping1 Ying1 in their posts.

My questions are:

1. Are the romanizations in Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapor same or different?

(probably not because they use different dialects)

2. Why so many non-mainlanders have mastered the mainland Ping1Ying1 ?

3Huachen Pan
Espoo, Finland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 16:25:24 GMT

In article <cyen.713874972@ponder> Jesse writes:
>Hi folks, if you love our country, please finish reading this.
>
>   I don't know how many Chineses feeling the same way about Americans.
>If you have the same feeling, you should call "them" yankees. You know
>yankees are another species of pigs.  Listen, I just said "them" in stead
>of all.

Are you a racist, severely deluded, or both?
>
>   I saw many Americans have no sense of traffic rules. "They" left the
>turning signals keeping on but never turn. "They" threw stuff out of cars
>in highway. "They" turned right with left turn signal. "They" walked through
>without paying attention to cars. "They" used high beam in two way traffic.

Yes.  But it's a lot worse in Taiwan.  Also, it is a lot better in non-
metropolitan areas of the United States.
> 
>  I saw many Americans work very inefficiently. "They" always made mistakes
>even a Chinese kid won't make. "They" won't process your business until you
>request again and again. 

Have you ever had much experiences with clerks at *Taiwanese* county
governments?  It's even worse there.  (At least the American clerks don't
openly demand bribes.)
> 
>  I saw many Americans tell lies.  What "they" promised you is very easy to
>forget. "They" smiled in front of you and kicked your ass in behind.

Please elaborate.
> 
>  I have many facts to prove what I have said. But I don't think it suits to
>say here. My point is that many Chinese in Taiwan don't know the facts that
>Americans have such dark side. They think the moon in US is bigger and brighter. 

Bring up your facts.  Your opinions are hardly supported thus far.

>  Every time the traffic in Taipei is discussed, the chaos is due to 
>an unreasonable excuse:"We are Chinese."  They don't know Americans are as
>same as Chinese.  Why is USA what it is now?  The spirit of being proud of
>their nation is one of the main reasons. Maybe it's also a shortcoming, too.
>Anyway, this kind of spirit is what Chinese need. 

Please elaborate.  As it stands, these sentences cannot be understood
unambiguously.
> 
>  If you will go back to Taiwan in future, please don't forget to tell our
>folks that Chinese are never worse than Americans.  Give our folks more
>confidence.  Please do it for me and for you.  God bless our motherland, no
>matter which party governs, no matter what name it will has.

We want to help our motherland.  We don't want fervent self-congratulations
and blind faith to ourselves.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Can we not all get along?
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 15 Aug 1992 12:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.223838.1281@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes:
>
>Gradually abolishing the entrance examination is one of the important things to
>reform and improve our educational systems. 

Would you please elaborate on this? Thanks.

Chou1

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:12243 soc.culture.china:23605
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Can we not all get along?
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:48:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug17.230518.16486@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>I thought at least you would tell me how they are similar, but at least
>you come up with the question.  

Both are divisions between people who have a common future.

>A society is a territorally circumscribed population which is not
>ethnic group, nation, or fan club.

I disagree with this definition.  There is no particular reason why a
society needs to be territorially circumscribed, and there is no
reason why ethnic groups, nations, or fan clubs can't be considered
societies if they so choose to.

>Look, I do not live in Taiwan now, so I am not living in Taiwan's
>society.  However, I meet with fellow oversea Taiwanese from time to
>time and that makes me a member of oversea Taiwanese society.  The only
>way I can be included in Taiwan's society again is to be there.  I do
>not have an illusion that I am not in the US society.

>To get our discussion focussed, you have to state your position.

My point is if overseas Taiwanese are considered part of Taiwan
society then it is very, very difficult to explain why we all can't be
considered part of a "big Chinese" society.  As a result of this,
there are only two possibilities.  Either overseas Taiwanese are not
part of Taiwan society, or we all are part of a big Chinese society
which happens to contain many sub-societies.

The difference between us is that we have chosen different resolutions
to this dilemma.  I consider myself part of the big Chinese society as
much as I am part of the United States society.
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:07:32 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <9208181834.AA18082@abacus.hut.fi> pan@abacus.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
>Questions about romanization of Chinese in Taiwan:
>
>When I read this news group I notice there are several (at least two) kinds
>of romanization, when someone tries to explane Chinese words. The one I
>am familiar is the mainland Ping1 Ying1
>
>To my surprise is that many authors who are not originated from mainland
>can write quite correct mainland Ping1 Ying1 in their posts.
>
>My questions are:
>
>1. Are the romanizations in Taiwan, Hongkong, Singapor same or different?
>
>(probably not because they use different dialects)
>
>2. Why so many non-mainlanders have mastered the mainland Ping1Ying1 ?
>
>3Huachen Pan
>Espoo, Finland

Dear my friends,
   
  I have no idea about the PingYing used by Hongkong-er and Singapore-er, but
I would like to tell you that the Chu-Yin used in Taiwan is NOT any kind of
Romanization.  The Romanization used in Mainland was invented by Chinese
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Communists.  Besides, Chinese is absolutely different from Wastern Languages.
The Chu-Yin used in Taiwan is totally another kind of symbols.
From: claude@oskgate0.mei.co.jp (CLAUDE Huss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: What is BSR and WSR??
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:08:29 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.

Hi Fellows!

	Someone could explain to me what BSR and WSR stand for?

	Any help would be very appreciated.


--
Claude Huss
Network Soft. Design , Tokyo Research Labs, Matsushita E.W.,Ltd.
Tokyo,Japan      
"Alien Registration Card: Don't leave home without it...."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: (none)
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:45:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.000311.358@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>
>Chu-Yin is not Romanization, but a number of different Romanizations can be
>found in dictionaries published in Taiwan.  The one that is most used, I
>believe, is the "Mandarin Romanization" (Guo2 Yu3 Lo2 Ma3 Tze4 (sp)).  I am
>not sure, though, if this is the "official" Romanization, although I am sure
>there is one.  (For example, the Taiwanese people would all translate a
>particular last name as "Chen" while the Cantonese use "Chan," etc.)

I know that there is no "official" Romanization in Taiwan for sure.  In
other words, no standard.  There are several different Romanizations for
a Chinese character.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sht@leland.Stanford.EDU (Hsien-Tang Sun)
Subject: Re: What is BSR and WSR??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:43:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.040829.1938@oskgate0.mei.co.jp> claude@oskgate0.mei.co.jp (CLAUDE Huss) writes:
>Hi Fellows!
>
>	Someone could explain to me what BSR and WSR stand for?
>
>	Any help would be very appreciated.
>
>
>--
>Claude Huss
>Network Soft. Design , Tokyo Research Labs, Matsushita E.W.,Ltd.
>Tokyo,Japan      
>"Alien Registration Card: Don't leave home without it...."


Gee! Thanks God!  Finally, There is somebody rendering the same damn question
which had puzzled me for a long time!

Hsien_Tang Sun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: From a woman's view on lightbulb
Keywords: Maybe she's not interested in you, man!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:27:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.072913.2997@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> yu@spot.Colorado.EDU (YU TING TO) writes:
>I was wandering is the lighttulb you talking about became one of
>your collection or not ? Don't you think it is not fare to that
>poor guy, just like you  paid for  one thing then they force you
>to take the other one. <<< men 's point of view >>>
>
>Yu
>

AGREE.

cs shao.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: TSA of UW holds BBQ/fishing/karaoke this Sunday
Originator: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:26:17 GMT


	Invitation from Taiwanese student association, U. of Waterloo,
	Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

	We are going to hold a BBQ/fishing party this coming Sunday at
	Conestoga Lake to celebrate the end of this Spring term. 
	
	Everyone is welcome to join us. We are going to get together at
	9:00am on Sunday(August 16th) at Grand China restaurant and head
	for CL. The fee is 10 CND including ticket and food. In the 
	afternoon we are going to Lai-lai restaurant and have karaoke
	party there. 

	See you there!!

	Paul T.Y. Shih
	President
	TSA of UW
	

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kcsun@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ker-Chung Sun)
Subject: Newsgroup in Taiwan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:20:18 GMT

Hi there:

 Could somebody please tell me whether there is a way to remote login the
network of the Universities in Taiwan to share the newsgroup resources just
like we do here in the U.S. ?

 Thankx.

 K.C. Suen
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Many ugly Yankees!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:20:00 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug15.162524.5965@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> Have you ever had much experiences with clerks at *Taiwanese* county
> governments?  It's even worse there.  (At least the American clerks don't
> openly demand bribes.)

	** How do government clerks in Taiwan request bribes "openly"?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Subject: I need address of 
Reply-To: aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:16:39 GMT


I need the help of all you readers to provide me some address where
i can order some Chinese costumes.

We planned to recreate some history of China here in Cleveland
Ohio, and we are trying to order the costumes worn in the time, 
currently we have the costume of a Emperor, and we now need
some costome of generals (the armor, helmet, etc.), the time
era should be of Han dynasty or before the Chi'ng.

If yu know of any company who sells or make chinese 'armors' or 
costumes, please leave e-mail to me. :)

Thanks.

-- 
No one is a failure... Keep up your dream and you will find it!
Ask always WISDOM from God!

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