From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re:  LL miracles -- high spiritual axiom
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:50:18 GMT

Michael Gersten(michael@stb.info.com) offers:
 ! I've been giving some thought to what a high spiritual  
 ! axioms would allow for in miracles.
 ! 1. Area affect miracles. Many miracles of lanala are range  
 ! touch, and low axioms; why not a higher axiom version that  
 ! is area affect?

most definitely.
many of these miracles arent even so great that they should be limited to touch
except for the fact that a Keta Kallan would WANT to be up close and personal

 ! 2. Trial conversion. Why not something like...
[miracle deleted]

not bad, not bad
(and VERY abusive if combined with KS Jim's new LL world Laws...)

 ! 3. If a high tech level leads to just using tech to accomplish  
 ! wonders, and a high magic leads to just using magic to  
 ! accomplish wonders, why not things like...
 ! a. Area communication. Since people are linked by a  

we are all one with Lanala anyway, 
i would see this as very common and almost subconscious as well
(and it makes trouble for SKs as well -
 if one lizard knows you, then ALL lizards know you, to some degree...)

 ! b. Knowledge. Just as we might punch a math question into  

dont they already have a "divine inspiration" miracle/effect already?
(from the SKG or IU?)

 ! c. Knowledge storage. Need to store some knowledge? No  

and what is the most important thing for a Keta Kallan to remember?
Sensations!
though not neccessarily a "storehouse" of sensations,
i have toyed with miracles that allow the sharing of
sensations both current and recalled
this could be both "live TV" and "you were there" storytelling,
as well as an offensive miracle, for the extreme sensations...
(note that while the sensations can be shared, they will still be
 obviously second hand, and any true Keta Kallan would still want 
 to experience it first hand...)
 
 ! d. Like those refrigerators for keeping things cool?  

yeah, it can be done, but as you pointed out, Lanala is anti-tech -
if the land does not provide it, you dont need it, so dont ask
(the miracles should be extensions of nature, not controls)

 ! e. Need to get around someplace quickly? What better  
 ! sensations than those of flying.

actually, this goes along with my agument for hermaphroditic edinos -
sensation is all to the Keta Kallans, yet many sensations are inherently 
unavailible to them, primarily that of flight.
(and falling, while close, leads to too many deaths...)
in addition to sense sharing miracles, body transfer miracles would 
also be likely, for experiencing flight, and childbirth
(of course, since Edinos are "made in the image of Lanala" [ed note - hah!],
 they may not feel comfortable changing bodies with the "animals",
 and just let Lanala experience flight from those that fly)
[this is BS to me, as Lanala should encompass all life, not just lizards]

 ! f. Large body of water? Try our Liquidator brand, err, Lanala  

water breathing is another sensation denied the edinos, so could be
(and then there are those water breathing lizards in Creatures of Aysle...)

another method of travel i have been toying with is "natural telepotation" -
since all trees are parts of Lanala, enter one here, exit one there, etc.
and in the more extreme, give your body back to Lanala, and get a new one,
placement (and form?) to be determined

dave "yes, i stole it from swamp thing, but he IS a LLander, really!" oakes
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