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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:06:54 EST
From: Larissa A. Cason <LCASON@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: CCHA standings as of 12/5

I am posting this for Dan Rakowski because his system isn't working
right now.  If you have any questions, comments, suggestions, or
requests, email Dan at rakowski@cps.msu.edu

Here are the CCHA Standings as of 12/5/92:

School                      Record        Pts     GF     GA

Miami of Ohio               9-2-1          19     60     40
Lake Superior State         7-1-3          17     54     33
Michigan                    7-3-2          16     50     34
Western Michigan            7-3-1          15     43     41
Michigan State              7-4-1          15     50     47
Kent                        4-7-1           9     45     54
Ferris State                3-3-2           8     24     30
Bowling Green               4-8-0           8     49     51
Ohio State                  3-6-1           7     31     54
Illinois-Chicago            2-7-1           5     27     38
Notre Dame                  1-10-1          3     39     60


Weekend Results:
Friday, 12/4                             Saturday, 12/5

Miami 7, BGSU 5                          BGSU 5, Miami 0
Ferris 6, OSU 3                          OSU 4, Ferris 0
Kent 5, LSSU 5                           LSSU 4, Kent 3
Michigan 4, MSU 3                        MSU 3, Michigan 1
WMU 5, UIC 3                             WMU 4, UIC 2
Alaska-Fairbanks 13, Brandon 2           Alaska-Fairbanks 6, Brandon 5

This Week:
Friday, 12/11                            Saturday, 12/12

Ferris @ WMU                             Northern Michigan @ Ferris
Kent @ Michigan                          Kent @ Michigan
LSSU @ MSU                               LSSU @ MSU
Notre Dame @ OSU                         Notre Dame @ BGSU
UIC @ BGSU                               UIC @ OSU

Dan's Notes:
     The scores and schedules for Alaska-Fairbanks have been posted
around here all season, although they are not listed in the standings.
Adding them to the CCHA, along with recent additions Kent and Notre Dame
would really make traveling to away games an interesting prospect.

Enjoy, CCHA fans!!
-Larissa :-)
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:28:07 GMT

I have brought this up before, but you added a playoff twist I like.


shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith) wrote:
>1) The formation of two divisions.  Not unrealistic with 28 teams.     

>2) Regular season with or without playoffs, could be used as criteria for
>   promotion or demotion between the divisions.  Two divisions with 14 teams
>   four games against each team in the division (52 games).  Top eight teams
>   play off for league championship in Div 1, bottom 6 for two team to be
>   relegated to Div. 2.  Top eight teams in Div 2 play off for promotion to
>   Div. 1.  Bottom 6 stay where they are.

I wouldn't have any playoff for league championship, just like there isn't
one now. Just make the top team in the 1st division the league champion, same
thing as the President's Trophy winner now. Bottom two teams in div 1 are
relagated to div 2, top two teams in div 2 are moved up to div 1. Teams #11
and #12 in div 1 play teams #4 and #3 in div 2 for the honor playing in div
1. Using 12 and 12 from last year, I think you would have in div 1: NYR, Was,
Det, Van, Mon, Pit, NJ, Chi, Bos, LA, StL, and Edm; and div 2: Win, NYI, Phi,
Buf, Cal, Min, Tor, Har, Que, SJ, Ott, and TB. That would result in some pretty
exciting races. Who would be the first expansion team to crawl out of the 2nd
division...?

>3) The Stanley Cup would be open for all teams with a 2 of 3, or a 3 of 5
>   game format for each round

This I like. The playoffs don't decide the best team anyway, so let all teams
play. That way, it doesn't matter which division you are in, if you are playing
hot you can go all the way (just like it is now). Make it tough for the 2nd
division teams by cross-matching the teams: the top team in div 1 plays the
bottom team in div 2, etc.

>This, of course, would involve major restructuring of things like the draft,
>and free agency.  These would two major stumbling blocks, in instigating a
>change like this. 

The only thing is that the fans couldn't handle the transition. Too many new
fans have trouble with the existing rules (like offsides, lots of penalties
(how many men are lost), icing, etc.). They also might abandon their teams
when they fall to division 2 (associating it with minor league play). I think
structuring could take into account money from div 1 supporting div 2 teams
so that they could have reduced ticket prices to pull in the fans.

Oh well, it would never happen. It would certainly make the regular season
more exciting, but too many people think it is unnecessary already. It would
also make the playoffs more exciting since all teams can play. The bottom team
in the 2nd division is still going to play hard in the last game of the season
since it knows the playoffs start soon after.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dan@vicorp.com (Dan Gauthier)
Subject: Re: killfile -> /wilson@cs.ucf.edu/hK:j
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:27:32 GMT

In article <1ghh1dINNr9l@keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>Normally I would have used e-mail for this but I think I speak for many
>posters,  You are an arrogant SOB.  Here you are calling somebody a "prick",
>"dickweed", and "stupid jerk" then you go on to say "You're so f*ing brave
>behind your terminal".  Look in the mirror.  You use those big naughty words
>to frighten us.
>
>So I've decided why bother reading your articles, you are abrassive and
>arrogant.  Into my killfile you go.  I suggest that others do the same.
>
>Just my thoughts,
>Tony
While's Tom's (and indeed my own 7 days ago) reply to an article that ragged
on the Bruins may have seemed heated and emotional, consider that Tom 
periodically post usefull information, keeps a data base of records and
stats, often backs his assertations with cold-hard fact, and provides 
generally usefull information.
The original poster he was flaming does none of the above.  He merely waits
for a win, then bashes a team.  Once again THIS thread was PRECIPITATED by
an article bashing the Bruins.  Tony, did YOU agree with the original poster's
bragging?  I bet you would never have initiated such an article.  Tom's
response seemed harsh to me, a B's fan, but consider that it was emotional
based on someone berating his favorite team.
While these flames seem fun to read for Bruins lovers, haters, Canadien's
fans, etc., I would be willing to bet that others are sick of them.  It
might be a better idea to take them to e-mail.  But I won't be so brazen
as to TELL you what to do.

By the way, Congrats on your teams 5-1 win.  It was deserved.

Dan


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Mario's "Buns" (WAS:  Re: Pens-6 Flyers-2)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:08:58 GMT

In article <BzD6HB.Dpz.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>Second bit of news.  The Pens are going to hold a press conference this 
>afternoon to announce the "Mario Bar".  Clark Candy Company, a Pittsburgh-
>based company, is producing the candy bar to market (at first) in the tri-
>state area.  While Mario's name is on the bar, all profits made from the bar
>will go to the Pens.   Mario, as a term of his new contract, has given the 
>Pens the right to market his name and image.  (Jaromir Jagr also agreed to
>the same term in his new contract).

I saw ESPN SportsCenter (or whatever the hell they call it) this
morning) and they mentioned that the name of this confection would be
"the Mario Bun".  I can just see the commercial now-- "Hey,
teeny-boppers-- now's your chance to sink your teeth into one of
Mario's Buns!!  Take a bite out of it now!!!  If only they'd make a
Coffey Bun for Anna....

Anyhow, they mentioned that it was the WAYNE candy corporation of Fort
Wayne, Indiana that would be producing this product.  Something tells
me it won't sell too well to the heterosexual male population....

-JPC

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang)
Subject: Re: IHL: Atlanta Knights and Manon
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:44:15 GMT
Organization: University of Calgary
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey

In article <1gll8nINNpd6@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
wrote:
> 
> Well Brent Gretzky and Ken Hodge Jr. are on her team, so hopefully
> she wouldn't be scared of them (unless they didn't backcheck).
> Trefilov is Salt Lake's goalie, so I doubt there would be a
> reason to be scared of him.
> 
> She should be scared of the big Salt Lake boys like Paul Krause and 
> Todd Harkins, who like to go to the net and crash the crease. 
>
Well both Paul Kruse and Todd Harkins are up playing with the Flames, so I
doubt Manon would have much reason to be scared of those two either. 
 
> I'm sure she was just nervous, because she knew that much of the
> hockey world would see her either live on satelite or most likely
> on the many sports highlight shows (Sportscenter or CNN Sports).
> I saw her practice in San Diego a few weeks ago and she looked 
> like she could hold her own.  I wish Manon all the best luck in
> the future. 
>
It was her first pro appearance in a regular season game, who wouldn't be
nervous in her place?

> 
> Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)

You went to a Gulls/Knights practice? Good to see you are keeping busy
Isaac and not wasting your time doing meaningless things like oh say....
finishing off your Ph.D. :-)

FORE!

-Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst)
Subject: Steen over the hill?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:20:26 GMT

Hello?  Hello?
I wonder how many people who are calling for Thomas to retire have seen
him play?  I've been watching him for years, and have no problem with him.
He can be absolutely magical, especially in the neutral zone, where his
passing is second-to-none.  As for his salary being more than he's worth,
that's goofy -> seen Brett Hull's stats lately? or Eric Lindros'?  Please,
people, go see the man play two or three times before you spout off.

Season's Tix for 17 years, through high and low.

->It is perfectly justifiable to trip people as they go down the steps
when they're leaving games early.
->It is also OK to throw things at those who refuse to wait for a whistle
to plod down aforementioned steps.


+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  Tommy ( Yogi )                              Dept. of English, UofM
                (the REAL UofM - nyaaaah Vid! (Minn.)) 
                     email:  tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca  
            ....residences in Canada, France, and Holland.
                       "YAAH! DEATH TO OATMEAL!"
                   Remember: it's just my opinion.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: why no hamilton?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.192453.5236@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sunils@bmerh703.bnr.ca (Sunil Sanwalka) writes:
>I don't live hamilton and I don't really care whether they get a franchise
>or not, but I just don't understand why they have\n't got one.
>
>1) They have an excellent facility. Copps Colesium 
>
>2) Excellent backing Tim Horton donuts. Some pretty deep pockets there.
>
>3) Territorial problems should be any bigger than in the LA deal. 
>   i.e. I don't think it would take more thatn 25mil to keep the Leafs
>        and the Sabres happy.
>
>4) Excellent support, like Ottawa they could probably sell out 
>   the entire arena as seasons ticket if they wanted to.
>
>Any comments on why they've been surpassed. I'd be pretty upset if I 
>   was a hamiltonian.
>

They keep on waiting for the NHL to come to them...Hamilton has to go
to the NHL meetings barge down the door, and put $100 million dollars
down on the table...the trouble with Hamilton, is that no one is willing
to put $100 million dollars down on the table.

Canadian cities are going to get any breaks...they didn't in the past,
and they won't in the future.

Gerald

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: REMEANINGLESS REG. SEASON
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:59:52 GMT

In article <1gqhrnINNli6@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> meijer@ucs.ubc.ca (Paul Meijer) writes:
>In article <2697.47.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> allen.henton@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Allen Henton)  writes:
>>
>>        I do however really belive that if the NHL adopted a wioldcard
>>system like that in use by the NFL, that it would not make the regul;ar
>>season meaningless, but make it more interesting, especially in the
>>weaker divisions, like the adams.
>>
>	I also like the idea of a wildcard system, but one of the problems 
>with implementing that in the NHL is the unbalanced schedule (ie. teams playing
>many more games against teams in their own division).  When a division has a
>very weak team (or two), the other teams in that division could be getting
>several wins against that weaker team.  If you try to balance the schedule by
>having teams play all the other teams an equal number of times, you run into
>a problem with unbalanced travel schedules.
>

People forget that before the current system, there were tons of empty
seats in the early rounds of the playoffs, and that since they went to
the divisional format, attendence has been much better at playoff games.

Besides, if you can't finish fourth in your division, you don't deserve
to be in the playoffs, having four teams from each division make the
playoffs is a form of revenue-sharing, which helps small markets teams,
and there is a greater equity in travel with the divisional setup for
the playoffs, which makes it fairer than any other system.

>	Increasing the number of teams in the league should help because then
>you reduce the feeling that almost everybody makes it into the playoffs. 
>Another way to do this might be to actually reduce the number of teams that
>make it into the playoffs.  How about only letting the top three teams in each
>division qualify for the playoffs?  Give the first place teams a bye in the
>first round, and let the 2nd and 3rd place teams play each other.
>

Byes would hurt first place teams more than help.  First place teams
typically win about 3/4 of all playoff series in the first two rounds
in the current format.

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: RE: THE ANAHEIM MICE AND
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - Vancouver B.C. - (604)986-9937 (604)255-9937

-> From: 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith)
-> Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
-> Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
-> Message-ID: <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca>
-> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 01:42:48 GMT
->
-> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
->
-> >Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
-> >the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early >as
-> next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year >the
-> year after that...
->
-> What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
-> rioting in the streets...
->
-> Why give Miami a franchise, when we don't even know how Tampa is
-> going to do as a business!!  Why put a Third team in the California
-> Area, when the L.A. Arena is constantly half full. (Mind you the
-> tickets are being sold, it's just no one is attending...)
->
-> Could it be that the NHL is simply waiting for the inevitable doom of
-> Hartford before awarding Hamilton a franchise? (ie, simply move
-> Hartford to Hamilton)...
->
-> Is the league hoping for a "big" Tampa-Miami rivaly?  A big San Jose
-> Anahime rivaly??  Give me a Break....
-> --
-> I'll believe in the first religion I find that realizes God is a Habs
-> Fan. Send your suggestions for 101 things to do to "Presto" Manning
-> to:

The expansion was just a big fast grab for cash.  If you can wave
$50 million around the NHL will take the money.

The expansion should also be judged on its merits.  The Anaheim team
should do okay and prosper if the team is good.  If the team sucks
the attendance would be low but it should survive.  The Miami team
in the early years will be terrible.  Terrible teams don't have good
attendance records.  Consequently, the MIAMI team will FOLD or move
to another city that will support NHL hockey.  The same will be true
also for TAMPA BAY it will also fold or move.  What are the demographics
of these 2 cities.  Having a few hundred thousand ex-Canadians will
not support a franschise.  The support has to come from the population
and its interest in hockey.  Are fans in Florida really interested in
hockey in the longh run?  After 3 years and the team is still the pits
will the fans still come out?  I think not.  The NHL expansion in
Florida is a JOKE.  Expansion should go to cities that want NHL hockey
like Milwaukee and Hamilton not large cities that are not intersted in
hockey.
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Street Hockey
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:44:27 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1go6pgINN28f@agate.berkeley.edu> shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle) writes:
>Also, if anyone has a team that would like to play a Best-Of series with
>BASH, please let me know and I'll try to set something up.
>

We have a university floor hockey tournament down here at 
UC San Diego every April.  Teams that played last year included:
UCSD, Univeristy of San Diego, San Diego State, 
UC Riverside, UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara, UC Davis, 
University of Arizona, San Bernadino State, USC,
and Loma Linda.  Berkeley used to send down a team.  
Are you affiliated with that club team at all?

>Thanks again.
>
>Mike
>(shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu)

Isaac (kim@ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Boston Massacre!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:40:01 GMT

gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca wrote:
>Just a little note to Tom who obviously does not like Boston/Canadien fans
>bashing each other.  Please do not read any further!  Otherwise shutup,
>because this is an appropriate place for those kind of discussions.  Who
>gave you permission to decide what us hockey fans discuss on rec.sport.hockey?

I was thanking the prick for adding noise, you little dickweed! What a stupid
jerk! You claim I am telling people what to post, and you are telling me what
to read, and telling me not to post as well. You're so fucking brave behind
your terminal. Keep posting and boasting. It's that much sweeter when your
team loses. If I recall, when Boston destroyed Montreal last year in the
playoffs 90% of the Bruins fans were pretty gracious about not spewing trash
all over the net. So go ahead. I never told anyone what to post. I pointed out
what a sore winner the guy was. I guess you are to. Cheer for your team. Bash
the other teams. I can play your game. I worship you and your team. Hail!

-----

There. How was that? Is that how I'm supposed to act? Ok. That's really easy.

Tom
From: houston@eso.mc.xerox.com (Sam Houston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: AHL standings
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: houston@eso.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Rochester NY

Point of correction!! The Sunday Rochester-Utica score was:

Rochester 9	Utica 3

*not* the 5 to 3 score reported.

---it should be noted that this indignity was done to
the team that the night before had beaten the "unbeatable"
Binghamton Rangers---

Maybe that 16 point lead of Binghamton's isn't going to
be enuff :-)

------------
"sam" houston
Go Amerks--  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Edmonton vs. TB 12/12 notes
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:40:07 GMT

The teams met for the 3 time this year with each winning on home ice. DiMaio,
Hartman, and Taglianetti were out, and Bergeron was in goal for the 2nd night
in a row. It was the 8th sellout of the year. To win, TB had to do several
things: return to the form they had earlier in the season by checking and
playing more defense, and get the first goal for once in a long time. All of
these things happened.

In the first period, Bob Beers scored a power-play goal from Chambers and
Tucker at 16:27. The shot came from the point and was deflected by the
defender (MacTavish?) before it had traveled about 15 feet. That was enough
to disrupt Ranford but he did manage to nick it with his glove. That was the
only goal of the period. Shots were 8-7 in favor of Edmonton. Edm was 0 for 1
on the power play and TB 1 for 3. TB controlled most of the play.

There was no scoring in the 2nd but lots of action. TB outshot Edm 10-7 in
the period and power plays were 0 for 2 each.

In the third, TB tallied again on the power play: Bradley from Maltais and
Chambers at 2:13. Bradley leads the team in goals again (Kontos 21). Overall
he is 2nd in power-play goals and tied for 5th in total goals. Bergeron just
missed getting a shutout because Tikkanen scored from Simpson and Corson at
18:42. Bradley added an empty net goal from Kasper and Cole at 19:55 to seal
the victory at 3-1.

Bradley now has 23 goals. TB has two 20-goal scorers. The announcers said that
17 (I could be wrong) teams don't have 1 20-goal scorer. Other stats: Kontos
is now 3rd in shoot % at 30.0% (21 goals in 70 shots, before tonight). Bergeron
got his 1st win for TB (now 1-1-0). The team's 6-game losing streak was put to
rest, and it was the longest of the season. It also was the end of the 6-game
home losing streak.

TB now heads west for back-to-back games against LA and SJ on the 15th and
16th. LA has one of the best home records. SJ stole a win in TB in October,
2-1.

If you get Prime Network, you MIGHT be able to see the Atlanta Knights play
tomorrow (Sunday). Manon Rheaume COULD play in the game. It will be on locally
so I'll give a report. This is the first minor league game broadcast here.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: killfile -> /wilson@cs.ucf.edu/hK:j
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:08:46 GMT

p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:

>So I've decided why bother reading your articles, you are abrassive and
>arrogant.  Into my killfile you go.  I suggest that others do the same.

Fine.  Put him in your kill file and shut up.

-- 
 davE.   Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
########## David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
    "The opposite of love is not hate but indifference." -- Sigmund Freud
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: First all Russian line???
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:49:37 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

Anyone know if the Blues all Russian line that scored last week is the
first of its kind in the NHL? Or at least the first to score?

Smitty in Colorado
smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu