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From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Serving
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:20:37 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <MOSCHE.92Dec25172549@vipunen.hut.fi> mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg) writes:
>
>>   If after tossing up, I decide that my toss wasn't good enough, and I
>>   catch the ball before it comes back to the board level, do I lose the
>>   point too? I think this is allowed in Tennis, but I am not very sure
>>   about TT. 
>>   Jit.
>
>or not. There is no difference if the ball dropps to the floor or not. Most
>umpires would aword a point to your opponent if you try to hit the ball, and
>otherwise not regard it as an attempt to serv. You can allways claim that

That is correct. If you attempt to serve, i.e., if your hand
holding the racquet (paddle) moves while the ball is in the air in
an attempt to serve, then you lose the point. If however, as soon as
you toss the ball and realize that it is poor toss and choose to 
not serve, then you might as well let the ball fall to the floor (or
catch it) and not lose the point.    

Manish
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From: sandiway@research.nj.nec.com (Sandiway Fong)
Subject: club in Irvine, CA?
Originator: sandiway@gb
Reply-To: sandiway@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 06:56:56 GMT


Hi,
    Does anyone know if there's a club in or very near to Irvine, CA? If so,
what are the hours? I'm going to be there for a conference in early February
and I'd like to get in some practice and exercise especially after sitting
around all day listening to talks.

Thanks in advance,

Sandiway

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From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: robot recommendations
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:52:49 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

The cheap (Newgy?  about $300?) robot at our club has not stood up well
to a couple of years of occasional use.  Thin plastic parts have
cracked, a wire has broken in a cable, and it is now quite difficult to
set up and use.  You have to prime it with an incredible number of
balls before it will work at all (about 40?).  When considering
purchase, be sure to include the price of a gross of (cheap) balls.

The Sitco robots appear to be much more ruggedly constructed, but also
cost a lot more ($700 t0 $1000 depending on features?)

I also would welcome comments from people who have used these machines, as
the value and effectiveness of the various features.

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From: bmh@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Brad Hemminger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: robot recommendations
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:42:49 GMT


  It sounds like several folks might be interested in robot recommendations
from folks who have used them.  Can people with experience give some
recommendations to those of us considering purchasing one?

Personally, I'm looking for something to improve my skills with.  I used to
play in junior high/ high school many years ago and have started playing
again.  I don't have much free time and thought I might be able to get more
practice time in by having a robot to drill with (I have table in our rec
room). 

People can respond to this group.  If I get email directly, I'll summarize
to the newsgroup.


Thanks, Brad
bmh@rad.unc.edu
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From: sangst2@jec303.its.rpi.edu (Thongchai Sangsiri)
Subject: Hello
Summary: What is the most popular rubber around here?(US/Europe)
Keywords: Hi
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:09:13 GMT

I am just curious about what rubbers do most people use.  I have been using
MarkV for quite a while and I like it very much.  Does anybody know the 
difference between MarkV and Sriver/SriverFX?
Ts.
From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Elite players and their equiptment
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:21:11 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


Alexander J. Chien writes:

>   Hi -
>       I have one question that has been bothering me for quite a while.
>   Do the elite players (Top 20 or so) that have equiptment named after
>   them actually use the equiptment themselves? In other words, if I go
>   to a booth at a tournament and pick up a Waldner, Persson, Appelgren,
>   Grubba, Primorac, Gatien etc. blade, is it the same blade that the
>   players themselves use? Or do the elite players play with custom made
>   blades?

Of the top players I have met most use the blades named after them. You
very seldom find a rubber that is named after a player because the manu-
facturer can't be sure that the player will use this rubber. It is however
much easier to make a blade with the characteristics that the player asked
for. Some manufacturers (e.g. STIGA) don't have blades named after top
players, they have gripps (different handle shapes) named after top players.
This way the player can start using a different blade and still use a racket
with their own name.

Bye
Mosche


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From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ye Zomsik)
Subject: Re: Top 20 List (World)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:13:11 GMT

desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:

>Here are the top 20 in the world right now (ITTF rating list #7) :
>___________________________________________________________________

>MEN				WOMEN

>1) WALDNER, Jan-Ove (SWE)	DENG, Yaping (CHN)
>2) GATIEN, J-Philippe (FRA)	QIAO, Hong (CHN)
>3) PERSSON, Jorgen (SWE)	HYUN, Jung Hwa (KOR)
>4) MA, Wenge (CHN)		LI, Bun Hui (PKR)
>5) SAIVE, Jean-Michel (BEL)	GAO, Jun (CHN)
>6) ROSSKOPF, Jorg (GER)		CHEN, Zihe (CHN)
>7) KIM, Taek Soo (KOR)		CHAI, Po Wa (HKG)
>8) GRUBBA, Andrzej (POL)	GENG, Lijuan (CAN) !!
>9) LI, Gun Sang (PRK)		YU, Sun Bok (PRK)
>10) Yoo, Nam Kyu (KOR)		ZHANG, Quin (CHN)
>11) Wang Tao (CHN)		CHAN, Tan Lui (HKG)
>12) CHEN, Xinhua (ENG)		ZHENG, Yuan (CHN)
>13) PRIMORAC, Zoran (CRO)	TANG, Weiyi (CHN)
>14) LINDH, Erik (SWE)		HONG, Soon Hwa (KOR)
>15) WANG, Yonggang (CHN)	LI, Ju (CHN)
>16) APPELGREN, Mikael (SWE)	BATORFI, Csilla (HUN)
>17) HUANG, Johnny (CAN) !!	BADESCU, Otilla (ROM)
>18) DING, Yi (AUT)		VRIESEKOOP, Bettine (NED)
>19) KIM, Song Hui (PRK)		LUI, Wei (CHN)
>20) PREAN, Carl (ENG)		HONG, Cha Ok (KOR)
>______________________________________________________________

I think this rank system only makes sense for non-chinese players.
China has hundreds of players are as just as good as their ranked 
fellows, but couldn't get chance to play in those international
tournament. Check the #18 DING, Yi (AUT), a friend of my was in the
same team with him before he left china to Aus., and he was just
as good as DING. 

As I know that Chinese national table tennis team only have very
limited amount of money to support their players to attend those
international tournaments, so if you are lucky enough, you'll get
a couple chances to play in those tournaments, but majority of the
players are unknown to outside.

Because of this situation, it's not surprise at all for chinese
to see a top ranked player get beaten by an unknown player in china.
I remember back in 1960's, the world champion from japan got beaten
by a post office worker in ShanHai, china. 

So, don't be surprised if somebody tell you that there are hundreds
of players in china can beat any top world ranked player in any
given day... :-)




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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: Re: Top 20 List (World)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:01:12

In article <C036q0.89v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ye Zomsik) writes:

>   I think this rank system only makes sense for non-chinese players.
>   China has hundreds of players are as just as good as their ranked 
>   fellows, but couldn't get chance to play in those international
>   tournament. Check the #18 DING, Yi (AUT), a friend of my was in the
>   same team with him before he left china to Aus., and he was just
>   as good as DING. 
>
>   As I know that Chinese national table tennis team only have very
>   limited amount of money to support their players to attend those
>   international tournaments, so if you are lucky enough, you'll get
>   a couple chances to play in those tournaments, but majority of the
>   players are unknown to outside.

This does not only concern the chinese. The situation is the same for all
players that cant get the compete in the big international competitions,
for one reason or another. This whole computer ranking system in tabletennis
is very new and it (as every system) has its faults. The biggest one perhaps
that the amount of competitions where ranking points are aworded is very
limited. The current system gives a quite fair picture of the 30-50 best
players in the world, with the exception of the countries that might have
more than about 4-5 players among the 40-50 best (because the same players
allways gets to go to the big tournaments).

By the way, I should be the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, I just
don't have the money to travel around the world and beat Jim Courier ;-)

Bye
Mosche
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From: hxu@next12pg2.wam.umd.edu (Huazhang Xu)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:34:32 GMT

In article <a#s21wh@rpi.edu> sangst2@jec303.its.rpi.edu (Thongchai  
Sangsiri) writes:
> I am just curious about what rubbers do most people use.  I have been  
using
> MarkV for quite a while and I like it very much.  Does anybody know the 
> difference between MarkV and Sriver/SriverFX?
> Ts.

I used to use globe 999 with soft sponge.  Now I am using TSP 730 and X's.
I think there is no big difference between MarkV and SriverFX. They both  
have soft sponge and medium sticky top sheet.  Sriver has a little harder  
sponge but similar rubber.  I used sriver for a while on my forehand,  I  
liked it as much as I like the X's, because they give more power when I am  
away from the table.  730 and 999 are different type of rubber.  They both  
have sticky top sheet which can produce a great deal of spin.  By using  
different type of rubber on two sides, I can make shots that are different  
in speed and spin.  This combination have worked for me.


Huazhang Xu
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Speed of Rubber
Date: 25 Dec 92 22:04:24 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Dec19.143451.5668@watson.ibm.com> fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu) writes:

>I did say "drop the ball from various heights".  What your observed
>essentially means the "speed" of the rubber is not a constant.  Try dropping
>the ball from the 10th floor elevator shaft (you don't want the wind to
>affect your measurements, would you?).  If the ball rises back to the 9th
>floor, you have a winner. :-)  (Actually, with the air friction, this may be
>physically impossible...).

Heheheheh...

Theres something called "terminal velocity" to worry about. The 
experiment would have to be performed in vacuum to have any value.

Wasn't there a Donic rubber sheet that had two layers of sponge, 
or perhaps a sponge that was hard at the bottonm and soft at the
top? This would allow more spin throughout the envelope, more con-
trol for softer shots and more speed for harder shots. Did it work?

A harder sponge gives more spin but less spin and control, in gene-
ral. A thicker sponge has greater speed and spin but less control
than a thinner sheet. Few people can control 2.5mm Sriver for instance.





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From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Subject: when are TT events aired? (USA)
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:04:45 GMT

Does anyone know if ESPN typically carries table tennis tournaments?
Naturally no network would ever touch them since they're not popular
enough, but I'd sure like to see them if I could.  Is there any way to
find out whether they will play a given event?  What events are coming
up in the world?

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Elite players and their equiptment
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:07:17 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Distribution: world
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Hi -
    I have one question that has been bothering me for quite a while.
Do the elite players (Top 20 or so) that have equiptment named after
them actually use the equiptment themselves? In other words, if I go
to a booth at a tournament and pick up a Waldner, Persson, Appelgren,
Grubba, Primorac, Gatien etc. blade, is it the same blade that the
players themselves use? Or do the elite players play with custom made
blades?

Thanks
 -Alex

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From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Top 20 List (World)
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:26:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <C036q0.89v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ye Zomsik) writes:
>
>I think this rank system only makes sense for non-chinese players.
>China has hundreds of players are as just as good as their ranked 
>fellows, but couldn't get chance to play in those international
>tournament. Check the #18 DING, Yi (AUT), a friend of my was in the
>
>Because of this situation, it's not surprise at all for chinese
>to see a top ranked player get beaten by an unknown player in china.
>
>So, don't be surprised if somebody tell you that there are hundreds
>of players in china can beat any top world ranked player in any
>given day... :-)


Complete Bull !! Why don't you accept the fact that the Chinese
no longer have the same monopoly on this sport which they
enjoyed for a while in early 80s ? The fact is that China indeed
sends its best players to compete in the world championships.
The fact is that they do not always win. So stop living in 
nostalgia and come down to reality :-)

Manish


  
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From: hxu@next12pg2.wam.umd.edu (Huazhang Xu)
Subject: Hi
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:17:50 GMT

Hi, everybody.  I have received mail from many people since I posted some  
articals.  I am very sorry if I have not gotten back to you.  I was busy  
with the finals and I want to be careful when I make any suggestions.  I  
will respond soon. 
  
I just came back from Las Vegas, and the following is some of the results:
	
men's doubles:    1.   Yoo Nam Ku,  Kim Tak Soo(korea)
		  2.   The brothers from former Soviet Union(I can't spell  
							      their names)

women's doubles:  1.   Deng Yaping,  Qiao Hong(China)
		  2.   Cheng Danlei, Qi Baohua(Hong Kong)

I might have spelled some of the names wrong, but if you are familiar with  
the players, you know who they are.

Have a happy holiday, everyone.


Huazhang Xu
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From: asengupt@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Arijit Sengupta)
Subject: Re: Serving
Organization: Indiana University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:36:33 GMT

M}ns Holmberg (mosche@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:

: The ball is in play from the last moment the ball is stationary in the palm
: of the servers hand.

: In both cases you would lose a point.

If after tossing up, I decide that my toss wasn't good enough, and I
catch the ball before it comes back to the board level, do I lose the
point too? I think this is allowed in Tennis, but I am not very sure
about TT. 
Jit.
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From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Top 20 List (World)
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:04:35 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <C036q0.89v@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ye Zomsik) writes:
>desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>
>>Here are the top 20 in the world right now (ITTF rating list #7) :
>>___________________________________________________________________
>
>>MEN				WOMEN
>
>>1) WALDNER, Jan-Ove (SWE)	DENG, Yaping (CHN)
>>2) GATIEN, J-Philippe (FRA)	QIAO, Hong (CHN)
>>3) PERSSON, Jorgen (SWE)	HYUN, Jung Hwa (KOR)

.... lots of stuff deleted

>
>So, don't be surprised if somebody tell you that there are hundreds
>of players in china can beat any top world ranked player in any
>given day... :-)
>

I think the above sentence is not right. Remember Chinese man players
no longer the number one in the world. You can't say that without being
the top.
From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Robot characteristics (complete)
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:31:50 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Here are the characteristics for the robots :
_________________________________________________________________

			NEWGY		RII-S	RIII-Loop	RIII-XT

Made In			Taiwan		USA	USA		USA
Construction		Plastic		Aircraft alloy aluminium (3)
Number of motors	3		4	5		6
Weight			12 lbs.		29 lbs	34 lbs		36 lbs
Ball recycling		Mechanical	Vacuum driven recycling system
Net Size		36" x 72"	83x54	48" x 120"	48" x 120"
Chop shot		yes		yes	yes		yes
Topspin shot		yes		yes	yes		yes
Graduated topspin	no		no	yes		yes
Loop shot		no		no	yes		yes
No spin shot		no		no	yes		yes
Sidespin		yes		yes	yes		yes

Remote control of :
------------------
Throw speed		yes		yes	yes		yes
Feed rate		yes		yes	yes		yes
Oscillation		yes		yes	yes		yes
Chop shot		no		yes	yes		yes
Topspin shot		no		yes	yes		yes
Loop speed		no		no	no		yes
No spin speed		no		no	no		yes
Trajectory adjust	no		no	no		yes

_______________________________________________________________________

Newgy robots are more like "toys".
They break easily.

I strongly recommend Sitco robots.

Our company sell these robots. 

For example, we sell model RII-S for $450.00 US dollars
(excluding transport).

For more infos on anything (regarding robots or anything else),
please email (see the signature for address).

Hope this helps.

Lyne




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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: Re: Serving
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<725998581@danube.cs.duke.edu>
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:44:51

In article <725998581@danube.cs.duke.edu> malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra) writes:
>   In article <1993Jan2.120730.12766@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl> sandkuyl@seri.philips.nl writes:
>   >in European and World championships. He also plays leaguage matches himself
>   >and when he played in our team, he called the example you described a bad
>   >serve and gave the point to our opponent.
>   >At my level a number of things are not called by the referee, but should
>   >be according to the rule book.
>   >Anyway, if I'm wrong, please let me know. It would give me something to
>   >argue about with the referee at my club.
>   >: 
>
>   Well, my knowledge comes from my coach (a long ago) who has coached 
>   Indian national teams. Also, this was several years ago and some rules
>   have been revised since then. I haven't read the rules book of Intl. TT 
>   Federation myself. But, its a point worth checking. However, I suppose
>   one could believe an Intl. referee since they would have a detailed
>   knowledge of rules.

Yes you should believe an international umpire, for instance me.

According to the ITTF rules the ball shall rest in the open palm of the
server at the beginning of the serv. If you pick up the ball in the corner
of the playing area and the ball is stationary in your hand it should of
course not be regarded as the beginning of a serv. If a player throws the
ball up in the air and attempts to hit it as it is falling it should be
regarded as a serv and a point should be aworded to the opponent. In the
cases inbetween the umpire should use his best judgement when awording points.

Bye
Mosche
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