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From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:18:08 GMT

yewhan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Yew Han Hee) writes:
>: queried for my "Bangsa" and "Agama" in every application forms?
>: 
>In my opinion, the matter of which "Bangsa" are you from, and
>what "Agama" do you believe, is just a matter of personal
>information and preference, and if all Malaysian think that they

I see, this is a classic example of a naive mind & thinking.
Ten years from now if you could say the same thing, I got
to salute you. 

>should live in a harmony country call Malaysia, they should try
>to accept others' preferences. 


This is true .


>I always believe that, Malaysia will be a "united" Country, in
>the sense that, all Malaysian will be proud of themself as a
>Malaysian, and everybody living in a harmony and peaceful life,
>IF one will always consider other's feeling.


Good on you. But the matter is far more complex than just 'ALWAYS
CONSIDER OTHERS' FEELING.'
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: My: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:40:55 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

kshan@kean.ucs.mun.ca wrote:
: [deleted stuff]
: 
:   I know that I'm a Malaysia, I will always be a Malaysian. I'm very sure 
: that all the Chinese and Indian beleive their roots are in Malaysia, not in 
: china, and definitely not in India. We always cheer with Malaysia's success 
: and glory, and we think we are considered as Malaysian by government. But 
: if you guys still remenber that in 1989 dr. Mahathir said in the newspaper 
: that we chinese should satisfy with our second class citizenships, because 
: we can only get third or fourth class citizenship in other countries, 
		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: instead of second class. The hell with the other countries' third or fourth 
:
: [deleted stuff]
: 
Hmmm...is that true? There must be somewhere that you can be 1st class
citizen, right?

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From: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Reply-To: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg
Organization: Dept of EE, National Uni of Singapore
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:57:38 GMT

In article <96324@netnews.upenn.edu>, nlatif@pixmap.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
|> In article <Bx99Fw.2qs@andy.bgsu.edu> subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
|> 
|> [much deleted]
|> 
|> >What about Malaysia? There is so much that we as an Indian and Chinese can't
|> >achieve eventhough we are the citizen of Malaysia. Maily because of the 
|> >special priveledges for the bumis. Well, how many our you think that we don't
|> >work hard for our country's growth and don't deserve the same priveledges?
|> >Is this situation will be carried on forever?
|> 
|> As a "bumi" myself, Im not saying that I totally agree with the "special 
|> previlidges" concept myself.  I totally agree that it is a form of 
|> discrimination against the non-bumis. But, my point is, didnt the Chinese n 
|> Indians (n the rest of the non-bumis) agreed at some stage (this was well back)
|> on the subject (special previledges for Malays/bumis)? And it is also agreed
|> that the subject should not be brought forward in the case of dissatisfaction?
|> I know that all of us deserve to be treated equally 'cos it is our country.
|> And nothing should be better than having the same rights n previledges as the 
|> person next to you.  
Did *I* agree on the discriminating special previledges for Malays/bumis?
Anyway, is the previledges for the bumis or Malays? It seems that only
the Malays get the previledges not the bumis (IMHO, flame > /dev/nul).
I am born in Malaysia (am proud of it). My father is born in Malaysia
(also proud of it). My father's father was born in Malaysia (I think he
is proud of it too, didnt get to know him :-( died before I was born).
In fact I dont even know which of my ancestor is from China. So *dont*
give me the crap about the so call discriminating special previledges
for the Malays/bumis. We all built the country, hence we should share
the fruits of our success.

Alan

p/s Dont get me wrong. I have nothing against Malay. In fact one of my
best childhood friend is a Malay. I lost contact with him. The goverment
sent him overseas for studies. Until now I have not heard from him :-(

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From: chuah@sail.cc.u-tokyo.JUNET (Chuah Yeow Chiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:15:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Electronic Engineering, University of Tokyo

In article <1992Nov6.085032.11464@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>	There are poor chinese and indians, but there are also poor whites
>in USA. There are rich malays but there are also rich blacks in USA.
>	What matters is the proportion of people in a certain category.
>	exceptional should not be taken as the norm or used to put forward 
>an argument. In this case, anything goes, we cannot even make any decision.

	Just wondering why should we separate the citizen by race but not
by the income of a family regardless of their race,.... I am quite sure
that most of the non-bumi will be satisfied if the government replace the
word "bumi-putera" with "poor" in their assistance and privilege allocation.
That is exactly the ultimate goal of the government, ie: to narrow the
gap of wealth between the rich and the poor of the citizen, no? If, as you
say, and I agree too, that a larger proportion of bumi are poor, then
more bumi get the privilege, and no one should complain,...

>: born in Malaysia. I'm the second generation who was born in Malaysia. But,
>: we are still not considered as the first clas citizen. This applies to any
>: Chinese too. Maybe this explains why a lot of Chinese migrates to different
>
>There are also a lot of Mexicans in USA. By your explanation these mexicans
>must have been second class citizens in their country.
>
>: country as well as Indians. If you take America, once you become a citizen
>: of this country, there is a chance for you to be a President. I know is not
>: that easy but atleast there is no law or constitution saying that you can't.
>: What about Malaysia? There is so much that we as an Indian and Chinese can't
>: achieve eventhough we are the citizen of Malaysia. Maily because of the 
>
	There are many posts that pointed out this mistake, and the writer
has  admitted the mistake. So let's stop commenting on this.

>	Strange, there is none in the constitution of Malaysia which states
>that a non-bumi cannot be the prime minister. They may not be the agong,
>but the agong is only ceremonial.

	Please forgive my ingorance. I seem to remember some relation
between the Presidency of UMNO and the post of PM. Can someone please
explain this?

>	You claim to be a Malaysian and yet you do not know Malaysian 
>constitution. To become a US citizen you must satisfy the US government that
>you respect its constitution.
>	Maybe Malaysia should have asked those who got their citizenship
>by being in Malaysia in 1963 to take tests on the Malaysian constitution.

	I really wonder how many Malaysian citizen will pass the test,...


Y.C.Chuah
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:47:33 GMT

Mr. Thaddaeus (ins774h@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: 	Actually, being a genious sometimes doesn't help at all. I know a 
: 
: guy who got 8 A1's in the SPM (you can't do better than 8 A1's can you?)
: 
: who got rejected by SHELL for s scholarship to the US while those who got

 I did not get those 8 A1s but it was close but remember it was in 1976 in
East Malaysia taking Cambridge SC.
	I did not get that Shell Scholarship. 
: 
: aggregrates of 20s and more (surprise, surprise) got it. 
: 
: 	But hey, after a politician intervened on his behalf, he was sent to
: 
: the US of A. Draw your own conclusions.
At least he finally got it, that is what counts, doesn't it?
I did not have any politician to help me.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ktan@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kenny Tan)
Subject: Satelite TV
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:00:10 GMT


Hmm.. the only way to get a satelite dish in Malaysia is thru
smuggling.  Buy a dish kit, pack into your suitcase and off you go.
Lookup in the Radio Elect. magazine for the 1 -800 numbers for the
vendors. Ask for their descrambler box and PAL decoder too!
 
Ciao!
Kenny


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: cgteo@tomcat.ecn.uoknor.edu (Cher Guan Teo)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:03:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA



Guess what, that guy from NUS thought that it's only in NUS that a student
constantly has homeworks and project assignments due regularly.  I guess
all other universities all around the world don't ever assign homeworks at
all.

Like I always tell a professor of mine, MOST (not all) Singaporeans are
just hardworking, not intelligent.  Duh!

P.S. This article is not meant to be a put-down for NUS students.


CWTAN

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.025120.23270@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
|> >Back to Singapore, other than activities in the hostel, the other
|> >activities are perceived as non-value added.  It is not going to help
|> >one get a job in Singapore.  But getting lousy grades will certainly
|> >hinder a person from getting a good start in the business world.
|> 
|> What's non-value added activities?  Something that you derive no 
|> immediate benefit?  I would say if he is going into the bussiness
|> world any form of group activities would definitely help him even
|> if his employer would not take it a a prerequiste.  Perhaps the 
|> students or you have the idea of ECA wrong.  Community 
|> activities build character, friendship and promote interaction and
|> understanding... isn't that some value?  Or perhaps you can
|> acquire that by performing 4Ls. 
|> 
I stated that the 'non-value added' is perceived.  I refuse to draw
any judgement whether a particular activitivy is truly non-value added
or not.  Being a student before, I can understand why such perceptions
occur, especially when one is struggling hard to make the grade.  And
even more so if one has been burnt before from too much activities in
JC, etc.
 
Unless you are super-intelligent; the 4Ls are neccessary for the rest
of the joe-blows and jane-does. (~80% in a normal distrbution?).  And
that is 1st priority - activities can then come in if there is any
time left.
 
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From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To you malasian Singapore basher
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:37:53 GMT

gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:

>af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
>[munched]

>>East MALAYSIA (note: in bold) is almost the same as before.
>>If not for the timber and cocoa industry, I doubt she will
>>ever be developed. Considering the amount of revenue these
>>two states generate, growth is certainly suspect.

>Hmm.... when was the last time you visited East M'sia, Andrew? Or are you still
>basing your views on the old prejudice that Sarawakians and Sabahans are still
>in the old ages? I can't blame you. As recently as '90, I attended a Student
>leaders Convention in Melaka along with a few other East M'sian students, and
>some of the so called "future leaders" of our country had the cheek to ask
>if we still lived on trees. Yeah, and we're out to add your heads to our 
>collection too.


Cool down Gabriel. I won't exactly get worked up by what Andrew said.
I don't think he is prejudiced. While what he said may not be accurate
, it is a fact that even to this very day the East Malaysia has been
VERY much neglected by the Federal gov't. Like what Andrew said , considered
the amount of revenue these 2 states generated, the development
& the growth are certainly minimal . These two states , especially
Sarawak has been totally exploited by the West Malaysia. (The
federal gov't).  (Otherwise I don't think KL would do any better
than Kuching. & perhaps Sarawakians would think the west Malaysians
live on trees too. :) :)

>Fact is, S'wak is one of the fastest growing economy in the whole country.
>Timber, cocoa and pepper have long been surpassed by oil and liquified natural
>gas (LNG). I do believe we are one of the largest exporters of LNG in the
>world. In case you haven't noticed, Kuching achieved city status quite some
>years back, joining the ranks of KL, Ipoh and the few other cities in M'sia.
>Of course, it can't be compared to KL, but I'm sure you'll find it a lot more
>modern than some of the so-called big cities in the west. So lay your western
>prejudice to rest, okay?

True, but where did all the money go to ? Who benefits ? & who is being
exploited ?
Yes, only Kuching has commendable development. How about other towns ?
Rail & road conditions are so pathetic too.

>>And to deny one of these two states a location for a
>>gov't university is indeed ludricious. So what if parents
>>might not like their child to go study at such an "ulu" place??
>>Develop the place up and we'll see who would want to live
>>in KL with all that pollution !!!

>It's quite well developed, thank you, and still growing. It's only to the
>eyes of the west that we're still "undeveloped".

Yes, it is totally ludicrous not to have a University in Sarawak,
which has a population well exceeded 1 million. It will certainly
cater for the East Malaysians, and certain west Malaysians
like Atan would apply too. Betul tak ? So 'ulu' place is
not an excuse at all !  Prejudices, discriminations are
much more correct !













Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: veloovet@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mohan veloo vethiveloo)
Subject: Re: Computer Jobs in Singapore
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:09:40 GMT

Hi,
You can try by subscribing to ASPIRE-L. The information on how to
subscribe is in SCA under ASPIRE-L

Mohan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: kissy kissy kissy...
Keywords: malay politics
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:33:36 GMT
Organization: Ramblin Wreck from Georgia Tech

Article taken from:  Berita Harian, 10/15/92, pp.F18, Thursday.
Reprinted without permission.

Adun dakwa wartawan Biadap
==========================

Wartawan Berita Harian, Muhammad khairul Bahri Basaruddin yang
membuat liputan sidang Dewan Undangan Negeri Selangor semalam,
diminta oleh seorang ahli pembangkang 'keluar' dari negeri 
kerana didakwa kononya tidak menghormati Sultan.

Ahli Dewan Undangan Negeri(Adun) kawasan Teluk Panglima Garang,
Tarikh Joned, memberitahu dewan, wartawan berkenaan tidak
menggunakan bahasa sopan ketika melaporkan ucapan Sultan Selangor
diperasmian mesyuarat belanjawan Selangor, Sabtu lalu.

"Saya akan sebutkan dalam dewan ini, nama wartawan yang kurang
ajar itu, iaitu Khairul Bahri."

"Saya anggap wartawan Berita Harian ini kurang ajar, jika ingin
mempersendakan Sultan...lebih baik tinggal di negeri yang tidak
mempunyai Sultan...."

Menurutnya, tindakanya mengemukakan isu itu bukan kerana ingin
gelaran 'Datuk', tetapi sedia menerima gelaran itu jika kerajaan
negeri mencadangkannya.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer:  The article above is not in its entirely.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I believe that's what Perot said,"...I think I hear a giant sucking
sound...."


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: veloovet@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mohan veloo vethiveloo)
Subject: ASPIRE-L
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:29:47 GMT

Hi!
Many of you have been having problems subscribing to ASPIRE-L. This is 
an exiciting new LISTSERV that provides up to date news on, among other
things, employment opportunities in the ASEAN region. Information on
activites organized by Project ASPIRE is also included. Some of these
activities include job fairs, conferences, seminars and telephone 
conferences with potential recruiters. 

What does ASPIRE mean?

A  = APEC (Asian - Pacific Economic Cooperative)
S  = Student
P  = Professional
I  = Integration and
RE  = Reentry

The Listserv is moderated from Indiana University Bloomington. The network 
is moderated, which means all items are reviewed before posting. I am the
moderator and I am a Computer Info Systems student studying at the Indiana
University Business School. I am also from SIngapore.

The Director for the ASPIRE Midwest Center is Mr Jack Brewer. He is working
out of Ball State University. I will be working with Mr Brewer in moderating
this network.

Material that will be included;
1) information from employers 
2) announcements of programs and activities 
3) networking for ASEAN students 
4) postings from Peterson's Connexion
5) employment opportunities.

In fact one of our successful projects is the monthly Telipon link. Three
telephone conferences have been done so far with Peterson's Connexion, 
EXXON International and just last night, Arthur Andersen/Andersen Consulting.
The next few telephone conferences will include Shell and GE

The service is FREE, convenient, and open to any ASEAN student, employer, or
individual and groups involved in International Education and interested in 
the region. 

We know that this newsgroup will be of great help if you are interested in
returning home and securing job and reentry opportunities here in the US
before doing so. We are also looking for ways to improve this service to you.
Please feel free to send me any suggestions you have.

To subscribe, send an email message to:

BITNET:  listserv@iubvm
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In your message, type: SUB ASPIRE-L  YOUR NAME

Thank You.

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Moderator ASPIRE-L
Veloovet@ucs.indiana.edu
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: U.S Presidential Election
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 4 Nov 92 21:51:58 GMT

In article <siong.720900119@sfu.ca>, siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
|> WHO CARES??????!!!!!!  :) :) :)
|> 

I think we should care more.  Beside being hard in trade deficit,
Bush is very open in foreign trade and anti-protectionism.  Bill
Clinton is still relatively unknown.  What they promise in their
campaign may not translate into action.  If Bill decides to bring
more jobs back to US, and close their door to foreign goods, Asia-
Pacific economy may be heading towards tough time.  Besides, Bush 
knows how to deal with the communist Chinese, to keep them happy
and liberalize their market for us to go in.

Lets say, the Saddam Hussien decides to give it a try again, and
Bill decides to sit down and see, but do nothing, like the
case of Bush in Yugoslavia, the increase in oil price has serious
implication in our economy back home.


Kelvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: veloovet@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mohan veloo vethiveloo)
Subject: Re: Singapore Clubs or Student Associations
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:23:03 GMT

In <yjc-011192084345@b61539.student.cwru.edu> yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome Chan) writes:

>  Some of the people here in Case Western Reserve University and the
>surrounding community are thinking about setting up a Singapore club or a
>Singapore Students' Association. Has anyone out there in net.space done
>this before? Any help and advice would be appreciated.

>---
>The Evil Tofu

Hi Tofu,
I was the President of the SSA here at Indiana University, Bloomington. We 
have about 120 Singaoreans and the SSA here is about 11 years old. If you 
need help you can contact me or you could contact the Educational Director
at the Singapore Embassy. The do help by providing funds sometimes. Another
avenue is to check the listing of SSAs or Singapore Clubs in your area 
available on the TECHNET gopher and contact them. Hope that helps.

Mohan Veloo
Veloovet@ucs.indiana.edu
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: TO ALL NETTERS
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:27:19 GMT
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth  Australia

In article <s1140056.720438360@giaeb>, s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*)) writes:
> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>>In article <Bwv2CD.1KL@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>>> In article <ygoh.720300066@sfu.ca> ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh) writes:

>>>>	This newsgroup, soc has become a tale of everyone versus Pak
>>>>Othman. Now, in light of this, let us start a NEW newsgroup called
>>>>soc.culture.asean.without.pak.othman.

>>> NO!!!  Without Pak Othman where got fun?  Seriously, why bother
>>> talking when everyone agrees with your views?  We must have people
>>> who disagree, don't we?

>>Whatsmore, we need one person to take all the s**t, so he can feel like
>  ^^^^^^^^^                                     ^^^^
>>a _REAL_ martyr.

>  That's 2 separate words, I believe. :)        What's this? :):)

>>Rod
>>Chairperson
>>Save the Othman Bin Club
>>(so we can rubbish him... Get it?  Rubbish!  Bin!   Bwahahahahahh!)

>  Hehehehehehehehehehehe!  We've got a comedian here, folks! :):):)

Exactly.  :v>  Bwahahahahhaahahahahah!

>  I agree, must let Pak Othman join in!  Can you sca readers imagine this group
>  without Othman the Man?  Life wouldn't be the same.  Sometimes this group is
>  as good as rec.humor.funny, alt.alien.visitors ... ;)

... or soc.culture.islam.towels
Rod
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