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From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:06:14 GMT
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In article <Bz33x4.FI2@news.udel.edu>, seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.000518.3111@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
|> >
|> >Darren
|> >(6'3", dark short hair, green eyes, bisexual and horny as ....)
|> 
|> swoon.  Omy you aren't coming up The northeastern direction are you?
|> 
|> Green eyes? swoon again.
|> 
Hey!  He's closer to ME!  I get a fair chance, don't I?  Darren?
PLEAD PLEAD PLEAD!

js
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Seperatists etc.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:03:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>(Feminist separatists are fine. Sure, some of my best friends are... :-)
>
>    I hope one would afford the same blessings on white separatists --
>including those in South Africa.  Arguments about one group having more
>power than another won't wash with me as a justification for this.

Whoa!  I'm callin' foul here!  That's hardly a one-for-one
correspondence.  To answer your question, though, I'm *altogether* happy
for white South Africans who favour separate existance to get the hell
off the backs of the Blacks.  If they feel strongly enough to lock
themselves in the Transvaal, abandon all business dealings with blacks,
give up all claim to rule over them, and refuse to let them do all the
backbreaking work down the mines any more, that's fine.  Just fine.
That is a world away from saying the current situation in SA applies to
lesbian or feminist separatism.

(OK, so some inequitabe land distribution would be left in the new
state, but is that really all that different from us Northies [apologies
to the first-world southern hemisphere dwellers like Vashti and the
Australians {good band name}] holding all the trump economic cards?)

There are fair arguments for and against separatism.  Saying that a
separatist must, by extension, support the Botha regime is *not* one of
them.

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Moms, and getting them back
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, ON, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:32:03 GMT


eleanor.j.evans wrote:
> I remember recently boasting here about the great relationship
> between my mom and I...whom the ghods will strike down, and all
> that....  I just had the ugliest fight with her last night

My SO came out to her mom about two months ago.  Her mom took that
real well, but when she told her that she was in love with another
woman... well, to put it lightly, her mom freaked.  Imagine how in
the hell she's going to explain her getting married to her SO...
considering that her and I are legally married.  Boy, the families
are definitely going to flip over this one. :)

> now I'm not going home for Christmas (for the second time in
> my life--and the first time was over 10 years, and I was in
> another country---Scotland, in fact...).

We're spending our third Xmas in a row away from our families. :(
It's not fun, but maybe it'll let them adjust to our lifestyle.

> I really need a hug.  Or 20.

HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG!
HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG! HUG!

and one more for good luck:

HUG!

Hugs are free, cuz it's Christmas time!... plus it's damn cold
outside and about the easiest way to stay warm. :)


Cheers,

     o      Brad Booth              | "I want you/
    /--     Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as/
    \ |     Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
____/____,  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tori Amos!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:16:25 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec16.145802.23937@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:


>I just heard my first Tori Amos song!  (Happy Phantom.)  Neat!
>The funny thing is, just after everyone started talking about
>her here (last month), I went into a record store (Christmas
>shopping, or I'd never even have gone in), and saw a Tori Amos
>poster plastered all over the back wall...  Now I'll just have
>to rush out and buy something....


>Piglet

Ooooohhh, buy it!  You'll love it.  Terrific stuff.

Drewcifer
-- 
***************************************************************************
** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
***************************************************************************
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Singing Queers
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:20:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
>yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:
>>Umm... Elton John?  Is he queer, or just queer-friendly?  
>
>Oh yeh, his mate, Bernie Taupin (sp?).

Wrong way round.  Elton, finally, *finally* in a recent press-conference
said "As a gay many myself ...".  As I understand it, this is the first
public acknowledgement of the fact, even though most people had no doubt
for the last 20 years.  I didn't see the event, but by all reports it
clearly put him through the wringers to say it.  He gets my sympathy
vote.

Bernie, on the other hand, is apparently quite straight.  I've seen him
asked questions about what it's like to write songs for someone of an
*ahem* other perspective.  He said it's no problem.  The guy is pretty
clerly not a phobe, but all reports indicate ...

And you *questioned* Bowie in your previous post?  What on earth for?  I
understand these days he claims he never really was a TV; if you believe
that, I'd like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.  As for being bi, well,
I can't name a queerer fruit in the music business.  Some with higher
Kinsey numbers, sure (like 2 Nice Girls, as you mentioned), but Bowie,
well, I just *love* him for it, even if it's bad PR these days.

hugs
Mike, diggin' in the dirt
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: muffy@anableps.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: some questions for a newbie
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:55:26 GMT
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In-reply-to: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 20 Dec 1992 20:19:55 GMT

In article <1h2khbINN6s4@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <MUFFY.92Dec20104631@anableps.berkeley.edu> muffy@anableps.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>->> However, I really don't feel a physical
>->> attraction to other Ms.
>->
>->What about emotional?  How do you feel about touching, especially
>->touching people you care about?  Do you have any close male friends?
>->Would you be comfortable snuggling naked in bed with a man?

>Hmm . . . Several comments here, since it sort of sounds like a "Are you
>[potentially] bi?" test-type questions ...

Well, it's not.

>A)  I'm not sure how one's desire (or lack thereof) for physical contact
> may be related to orientation or physical attraction.

It's not, as far as I know.  However, it would be useful in terms of
determining *what* he would be comfortable with *exploring*, which is
what the question was.

>B)  Almost all men, _it_seems_to_me_, have close male friends,

Certainly not in my experience.  My SO doesn't.  Many of my male friends
say that they have trouble getting close to men, since that is not
something that is really encouraged in our society.  (SO says: a lot of
men will spend time with men, but they're not really intimate with them
- it's kind of a false closeness.)  For my bi male friends, this is a
real problem in terms of how attracted they are to men...if they can't
feel emotionally close to them, then the are much less likely to be
physically attracted.  For me, this was the main reason I wasn't
attracted to women for so long - I couldn't get close to them as people,
so I wasn't attracted (other than visually...*smile*).

>C)  "Would you feel comfortable snuggling naked in bed with a man?"
> In either case, the point I'm trying to make is that the willingness to
> be physically close to a MOTSS does not necessary mean anything ...

Again, it's a question of what he would be comfortable doing in terms of
"exploring."  It's always useful to understand what the question is
before you start criticizing the response, eh?

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Hi!
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:29:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.065556.6457@microunity.com> 
qua@microunity.com (Henry Massalin) writes:
>jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>Hey!  I know you...
>
>Now that I've graduated, found a job, kind-of finished settling here
>in the Bay Area, and have finally found 5 idle minutes with which to
>read news, guess who's the first article I see...
>
>		*Waves hello*

Hi, Henry! Glad you're settled. Having fun?

>	*jumps up and down happily; searches the net for a piggy-back ride*

Everyone, meet Henry. Henry is *the* most energetic person I have ever met
in my life. You can take him out and feed him all the sushi he can eat (which
is not an insignificant amount) and he'll *still* bounce several feet into the
air and offer everyone a piggy-back ride upon leaving the restaurant.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Changing Vocations
Date: 18 Dec 1992 07:03:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
[on jacking as a sport for all]
>I think I'll work alphabetically ... of course, the alphabet starts with C
>and ends with B.  Everyone knows that.
>
>Unless Mike defines himself as a statistician, in which case it starts with
>S and ends with R.

Oh, nooo.  No, no, no.  Not if I can help it.  I finish this course in
New York, I go get myself doctored, and boy, I's outta here.  You don't
want to see the full force of my anti-science diatribe, and I don't want
to write it (in part cos it would take too long, and in part bcause I
know my own bias on this one).  Suffice it to say that I've been on a
downhill slope since I sat at the back of a conference in Sweden,
hopelessly in love with someone who shared the feeling and had left the
country a day or two before, listinging to all these ageing white men
smugly jerking off to the sound of "and we can see from this equation
that sigma increases in accordance with the priors we established".
Yick.  Bad Karma, man.

In conversation recently, I explained the last few years of my life:
"They trained me as a mathematician, and then I got a life."

The radio plays the Stones, "You can't always get what you want".  Work
it, Mick.  I'm gonna go get what I need.  Let me tell you, Analysis Of
Variance Tables ain't it.

hugs, Roy, you master of the subtle flirt :-)
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:38:47 GMT

In article <Bz8w04.5M5@news.udel.edu> jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.012308.19404@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:

>>6'3", dark short hair, brown eyes, bisexual, and horny as ....

>>And is everyone so tall around here ?

>Well...I'm 6'2", dark short hair, brown eyes, bisexual, and getting hornier...

Well, I'm 5'4", or 163 cm if you like those better, have hazel eyes
(how boring -- those cheesy romance novel heroines never have hazel
or brown eyes, always blue, green, grey, or violet, but who wants to
be like them anyway :-), and am having a Bad Hair Day.

	Cathy
	almost short and proud of it, so there
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Why you should recycle bytes:  "Believe it or not, most deleted bytes currently
find their way straight into the Internet refuse stream, often to turn up in
postings to Usenet, or worse, OSI standards documents!"  -- Peter Deutsch
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry)
Subject: Re: Good Kids                           
Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:34:36 GMT

iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>[stuff]

Hello Ian!  This is your first post, isn't it!  Have a hug anyway,
it's at least, ooo, 3 weeks since I saw you.  It's good to have another
UK "over-5" on soc.bi.  Maybe between us we can knock some sense into
these youngsters :-)  <waves walking stick threateningly>

<hug>

Dave.

--
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:38:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
>I'm now looking for an occasion
>to post to a *SERIOUS* *TECHNICAL* *MAILING* *LIST* (Usenet newsgroups
>don't count, nyah) since putting the double triangle in my .sig.  Not
>that I expect that to be noticed either.

I kept mine on a post to misc.jobs.resumes; thing was, it was
unintentional :-)

A reminder to any SF Bay Area readers that yours truly needs a job
(programming pref, or stats related if need be); just in case y'hear of
one, y'know?

hugs
Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:05:22 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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In article <1992Dec8.204828.28725@athena.cs.uga.edu>, wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
|> 
|> Hello to all of you in Etherland,
Hello.
 
|> I am here, and I am bisexual.
Yeah! I am glad you are here!
 
|> After coming out to five of my friends, and after none of them
|> dropping dead, I thought it would be proper to come out and play with
|> y'all. 
*DO* play.  play play play!
 
|> (Obl pause for slurping noises)
slurp.
 
|> I have a few questions:
Okay, shoot:
 
|> 1. Has anyone had a gay or bisexual friend not suspect, and even be
|> suprized about, your bisexuality when you came out ? (I have one of each.)
Nope.  Just my wife, and she wasn't surprised.
 
|> 2. Do any straight people out there have gaydar ?  (Those friends
|> never questioned my ability to pick out family.)
Sure.  I gotta a couple of friends who at least *claim* they do.  I, personally,
doubt it.  No instinct.
 
|> 3. What's the deal about Jethro Tull ?
<blink>
Got me...  Who is he?  <really dumb look> 

|> 4. When do I get my Special Rights Discount Card (and certificate,
|> suitable for framing) ?
Yeah, when do I get *mine*?  Dammit.
 
|> And, BTW, I am left handed.
How -convenient-!!!
 
|> Hugs and kisses
Why, thank you!

<licks>
<cuddles>
and
-hugs-
js 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Gothick)
Subject: Re: De-muffining??
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:17:27 GMT

chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy) writes:

[lots of stuff deleted ;-) ]

>Yes.  A muffin is someone who reads a newsgroup, but does not post.  It
>has nothing to do with sexuality.  

Ahh.  Most of the people I asked here weren't certain either way - I got
about 50/50 respose (*grins* maybe that's to be expected for something on
soc.bi!)

>Hugs back. 

Cheers,

Matt
xxxxxxx

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
>Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
>ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
>chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck

-- 
 Matthew B. M. Gibson:
 gothick@dcs.warwick.ac.uk - mgibson@nyx.cs.du.edu -  csudo@csv.warwick.ac.uk
 "Great.  I'm a million miles from home, about to be killed, with a 
  gung-ho iguana who tells me to relax"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Seperatists etc.
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:20:16 GMT

In article <lj6nmnINN8jo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>
>	This reminds me of an issue that comes up between me and my SO.  When
>I indicate my desire for space -- a night every week or two when she
>is out of the house and I can do as I please, she still wants to know
>what I am doing and still wants "approval/disapproval" power over whatever
>it is.  Now she won't go so far as to explicit prohibit anything, but
>she will use emotionally coercive methods to make her disapproval known
>if I don't tell her what I am doing and/or if she doesn't approve of it.
>The point I am trying patiently to get across, is that if it is my
>space, then it is *my* space, and I don't want anyone else issuing 
>approval of what goes on there or not.

I had a girlfriend like that.  I broke up with her.
>
>william



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: laura@plts.uucp (Laura Arnold)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Roy's "consenting" slave
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:48:50 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
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In <s882916.724315458@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:


>You men just don't get it huh?

Gee, about half of the people who disagreed with your post were female. 
Don't you think you're generalizing a bit?!  I find it ironic that someone
who considers herself to be a "true" feminist has completely ignored the
input of the womyn who have spoken up and instead has responded only to the
men.  

As a feminist, I see no problem with a woman choosing to be a slave.  Choice
means that "no means no" (or "safeword means safeword") and that "yes means
yes".  Feminism is about empowering womyn to make their own choices, whether
we personally agree with them or not.  Kerry has spoken up and freely chosen
to be Roy's slave.  Whether you like her choice or not, it is *her* choice. 
You have no right to demand that she make the decision that you feel most
comfortable with.  I resent your using feminism as an excuse to control
Kerry's choices.  Feminism is much broader than you are presenting it.  By
insisting that Kerry does not have the ability to concent, you are
disempowering her in the same way that the patriarchy has disempowered women
for centuries.  Feminism is about recognizing womyn's individuality and
personal power, not about creating a mass of women who think exactly the way
Vikki Pollard thinks they should.  

I really think you've missed the point of feminism, Vikki.  There is no such
thing as "true" feminism.  Feminist theory is comprised of many divergent
ideas, voiced by many diverse womyn.  There is no *one* body of thought that
unequivocally represents all feminists.  Claiming that you are a "true"
feminist is as bad as a white, heterosexual, upper-class male claiming that
he speaks for all "Americans".  What angers me the most is that by claiming
to be a "true" feminist, you are discounting the words and thoughts of other
feminists, of other womyn.  Just as you have done in this thread.  Doesn't
that strike you as being completely antithetical to the empowerment of
womyn?!


A Feminist Womyn who completely disagrees with Vikki Pollard,
                                                     -Laura Arnold


-- 
      Merry meet, merry part, & merry meet again!
                                                .....Laura Arnold
            Bisexual proud & queer of it!  :-)
     <laura@plts.uucp> or <plts!laura@warren.mentorg.com>
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:11:32 GMT
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In-reply-to: 's message of Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 11:18:17 CST

In article <92352.111818U58898@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58898@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <BzEq1L.7u@news.udel.edu>, jcarroll@ravel.udel.edu (James Carroll)
>says:
>>>>Who needs bear codes anyway?
>>>>I am about 5'10", have greenish eyes, and have been told that I look
>>>>like James Spader.
>>>That's exactly why bearcodes are handy.  Who the asterisks is James Spader?
>He (James Spader) was in "White Palace" with Susan Sarandon (younger man/older
>woman love story); "Jack's Back," a modern-day Jack the Ripper (in which he
>played twins); and something with Rob Lowe that I don't remember the name of.
>And he is a "major" babe.

Not to mention "sex, lies and videotape".

>BTW, hello everyone!

Hello...*smile*.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
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