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From: julien@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: 200 meter track?
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:14:23 GMT

In article <Bz8nK8.6tv@cs.uiuc.edu>, epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) writes:
> 
> The indoor running facility at my university just reopened.  I plan to
> do some running in there this winter, when the weather does not permit
> running outside, and when I want to do some interval training.
> 
> I figured one advantage of running on an indoor track would be that
> it'd be easy to tell how far I've run.  It hasn't worked out that way
> so far.  I've been told that it's a 200 meter track, i.e. that the
> inside lane (lane 1) is exactly 200 meters around.  The problem is
> that joggers are supposed to use lanes 5 and 6.
> 
> Are 200 meter tracks standard, so that the same lanes on different 200
> meter tracks are the same distance?  If so, does anyone know what the
> distance is for lane 6 of a 200 meter track?

If I recall correctly, I believe that if you are in the last lane, 7 laps
around the track would be one mile.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: S106495@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Reasons needed for running
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:30:09 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

  The only one I can think of is  famous doctor who said" there is a comittee m
eeting constantly in my mind, and when i go running it is adjourned"
   Maybe your husband cound channel his "energy" into something else, another s
port, or possibly some manual craft. whatever.
   Does he not have time to sleep, or is his schedule just too fragmented? a na
p in the afternoon might help some effects of fatigue
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:30:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Mizuno shoes
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.running

/ hpcc01:rec.running / lorenzo@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eric J. Lorenzo) /  9:24 pm  Dec  8, 1992 /
I'm going to replace my Gel-Lyte IIIs with a pair of Mizuno HSTs.  Road Runner
Sports strongly suggested them as a replacement as I have become disenchanted
with Asics since they have chosen to go the way of Nike.  I'm not a heavy
runner(@130 lbs.) so extra cushioning is not a need and I pronate.

Any personal experience/opinions (good/bad) of these shoes or of Mizuno shoes
in general?

Thanks for the time,
Eric


----------------------------
I think I'll jump in on this one.  I'm on my second pair of 
HSTs and headed for my third. (actually, the HST stable, maroon
and gray.) I am an over pronator (sp?) and they have worked 
really well for me.  The don't seem very "cushy" like Nikes or
some of the new Asics.  However, they do seem to provide the
shock absorbtion that I need when I run hard.  They are on the 
heavy side, but as a training shoe I highly recommend them. 

I currently have four pairs of Mizuno shoes.  I have 2 of
the HST stables that I use for everyday training, 1 pair of
the Controller that I used for the run of an Ironman dist. race, and
a pair of their racing flats (yellow and white).  I really like
them all.  I was kind of sold on the Mizunos because they fit my
feet pretty well and they definitly hold up better than Nikes.
I highly recommend them.

One little note... Mizuno is one of my sponsors so I may be
biased (I still have to pay some for the shoes though). But,
if I had to pay retail I probably would by the the same
shoes again.  I think they make a really good product but 
their marketing in the US running market was weak (except
for spikes) so they are not a household name yet.  Our rep.
said that they never really tried in the road runner and 
racer group until about a year ago.  Thats why they seemed to
suddenly appear out of no where.

Good luck,

John K.
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: rmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rick Marshall)
Subject: Re: Gel Cored Running Shoes?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:45:53 GMT


Gel 105's are more like the 101's than the 111's.  It's a pretty
stripped-down shoe but is very well-cushioned and supportive, with
very good pronation control.  Pretty stiff construction (although
not nearly as stiff as the 101).

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From: sanjaym@camus.sni-usa.com (Sanjay Manandhar)
Subject: Is it too late to register for Boston Marathon
Reply-To: sanjaym@camus.sni-usa.com (Sanjay Manandhar)
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Information Systems, Inc. Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 20:52:52 GMT

When did registration open for Boston Marathon '93? I just got my
registration material and I have qualified, timewise. I have not run
Boston before.

Is there a chance to get a number?

sanjay

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Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.triathlon
From: ddozier@daled.unet.com (Dale Dozier)
Subject: Need Podiatrist Recomendation
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:15:46 GMT



   Can someone recomend a podiatrist in the S.F. bay area? I
would prefer someone that either runs or understands running.

Thanks
-Dale
From: jmulliga@creola.East.Sun.COM ()
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Rocket City Marathon
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:09:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jmulliga@creola.East.Sun.COM ()
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Anyone know the results  of the Rocket City Marathon (preferably top ten)
in Huntsville, Alabama? I have a couple of friends who ran and I was
wondering how they did. Any information would be appreciated.

JM

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ztac18@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov WWNV x5076 9.134)
Subject: Re: Eating on long runs
Reply-To: ztac18@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Distribution: tex
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:35:39 GMT

In article 1G2q@austin.ibm.com, spit@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
>
>I, as others are in this newsgroup, am training for the Houston marathon in January.
>Problem is, that my long runs get me so hungry, that I can't concentrate
>on finishing.  I usually run in the morning and don't eat anything before, fearing
>stomach cramps if I did.

Are you sure to eat and drink a lot the night before a long run?

Why don't you try eating a Powerbar half an hour or so before you run your
next long, slow one.  If it makes you ill, then you'll have eliminated that
as a possible solution.  If you don't get ill, that may be the answer.  I've
eaten Powerbars before running and haven't had any problems, but I usually
opt for running on an empty stomach.  A bagel is another possibility, but I
find them a little heavy before a run.

See you in January.  Best of luck.

--Tom--
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: races in Phoenix, Az
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:41:01 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


Hello all,

Is there anyone out there in Phoenix? I am interested in 5,000 meter road
races and track meets that will be held there this spring. Is there anyone
who could send me a list?

Thanks in advance,

Ken
From: wolf@doppel.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 400 meter track
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:02:48 GMT
Reply-To: wolf@first.gmd.de
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin
In-reply-to: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 14:55:18 GMT


 In article <102121@netnews.upenn.edu> sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:
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   From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
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   I have a similar question to the one asked by the 200m track
   person.  I was wondering which lane I have to be in so that
   an integral number of laps equals one mile.  I know that
   a mile is about 1609m so that four laps is damn close to 
   a mile but when I'm timing myself I don't want an approximation
   to the pace.  I realize I can figure out my pace later, but
   I like to know while I'm running.

   Thanks.

   Diane

Short answer: the 9 meters less are fairly neglectible so forget them.

Long answer: since each lane is approx. 80 cm wide, in the second
lane you have to increase the length for 0.8 * 2 * Pi meters per 
round if you take this. 
       => 0.8 * 6.28 = 5.7 m (without computer !)

You effectively run 16022.8 m in the second lane.

wolf

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: >200 meter track
Keywords: lap length
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:57:58 GMT

If you are doing intervals of 200 or 400 meters, you don't need to know the
distance in the outer lanes.  You can just use the staggers
which are marked on the track.  Ask one of the coaches or the school's sprinters
if you have trouble figuring out which are the right ones.
Tom
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From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Cram up at 5000m
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:02:35 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT Labs


Heard on BBC R4 this morning. Steve Cram pulled out a 
13:34 5000m this week in SA which he doesn't feel is
too bad for an out of season time.

He is preparing to run 5k in the Worlds next year.

JP

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From: peter@krk.fi (Peter Peltonen)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: new runner
Date: 20 Dec 92 11:12:42 GMT
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)

I know that this question has been asked many times before, but not lately.
I wated for a while for a FAQ, but didn't find any? So, I'm a quite new
runner, and would like to want to get some advices from you people who 
have runned a little more than I :) My physical condition is ok for a 
person who doesn't have much sport hobbyes, what kind of running schedule
should I try? Some of my friends recommends something like 3-4km's three
times a week for a start, and doing this for a while (a month?) and then
take some more.. Does that sound good? And what kind of gear should I 
think of? I'm living in Finland, and we have (or will have soon) lots of
snow and ice here, so what kind of clothing should I think of?

Thanks in advance, you can reply via email if this subject has been dis-
cussed thousands times in here :)

Peter

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu (Terry R. McConnell)
Subject: Re: 400 meter track
Reply-To: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 13:03:48 EST

In article <1992Dec16.064722.7432@leland.Stanford.EDU> hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen) writes:
>In article <102121@netnews.upenn.edu> sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:
>>I have a similar question to the one asked by the 200m track
>>person.  I was wondering which lane I have to be in so that
>>an integral number of laps equals one mile.  I know that

           [ stuff deleted ]

>which is about 37.178595 centimeters, or roughly 14.6 inches.  I
>think this will still put you inside Lane 1.

The measured line on most tracks is actually 20 cm out from the inner
edge of the lane. Lane 1 may be measured differently (usually 30 cm)
if there is a curb present. (20 cm is roughly 8 in. )
           [ stuff deleted ]

>Also, if the turns really aren't in the shape of a circle then
>I'm afraid I can't help you.

The shape makes remarkably little difference. If, for example, the
region bounded by the track (i.e., the "infield") is convex, then the
calculation comes out the same. As long as the angle subtended by the
runners, as seen from a point in the infield, is constantly increasing
(or constantly decreasing ), the total angular distance travelled in
1 circuit will always be 2Pi. 

>On an unrelated note, I would like to collect some opinions.
>I read in this week's Sports Illustrated that Carole Zajac of
>Villanova recently won the NCAA women's cross-country meet,
>where she ran 17:01.9 for 3.1M.  The same article mentions
>that she is the NCAA record-holder for 10,000 meters, with
>a time of 32:22.96.  This surprised me!  But then, I am inexperienced.
>Are the times usually that much slower for cross-country courses.

People who design XC courses have a sadistic penchant for including
impossible hills, sloppy muddy terrain, and other terrors in their
layouts. The runners seem to expect it! In many cases, the courses
are not accurately measured. Another factor to consider is that only
place counts in cross country. If Zajac were far out in front, she
may well have "coasted" some, saving herself for another day. Finally,
some runners are more suited to the track than to XC. Good cross
country runners often have a lot of upper body strength. Zajac is a
wonderfully talented runner, but she does look a bit (ahem ) frail to
me. 

>Also, can anyone tell me how to get in touch with Gwyn Coogan?
>
Try the Boston-area phonebook?


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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Subject: Re: half-mile
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:08:56 GMT

Yes, when you're trying to maximize your speed over the (for you) short
distance of 800m, it will make sense to back off the distance.  If I
remember the original post correctly, the goal was 1:58.  A big
improvement, but the writer is young.  (Therefore, he has big dreams
AND it is not out of the question to improve that much.)  My
slow-twitch college roommate could only muster 59-second 400s, but he
could run two of them back-to-back.  Similarly, my best 400 was exactly
twice my best 200.  Maybe we each have our own personal terminal 
velocity.  In general, the remarks I've seen about 24-second 200s and
50-second 400s for around a 1:50 800 seem about right.  Adjust up
for the 1:58.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
From: sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 400 meter track
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:59:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <102121@netnews.upenn.edu> sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:
>I have a similar question to the one asked by the 200m track
>person.  I was wondering which lane I have to be in so that
>an integral number of laps equals one mile.  I know that
>a mile is about 1609m so that four laps is damn close to 
>a mile but when I'm timing myself I don't want an approximation
>to the pace.  I realize I can figure out my pace later, but
>I like to know while I'm running.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Diane


it's me again.  I realize I could any of the methods suggested
to determine the answer, but if anyone just happens to know off
the top of their head, I'd appreciate a response.
By the way the track is the one in Franklin Field (Penn Relays
Territory).

Thanks, again.

Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Gel Cored Running Shoes?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:52:59 GMT


Would anyone have any comments about the ASICS Gel 105?  I'm
in need of replacing my 111's, but missed a couple of sales
on the 120 ... now, an outfit around NYC has the 105 at $20
less than the best sale price on the 120 ... and it LOOKS a 
LOT like the old 111's!

gld
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From: theisen@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: 200 meter track?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:59:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <Bz8nK8.6tv@cs.uiuc.edu>, epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) writes:
> 
> The indoor running facility at my university just reopened.  I plan to
> do some running in there this winter, when the weather does not permit
> running outside, and when I want to do some interval training.
> 
> I figured one advantage of running on an indoor track would be that
> it'd be easy to tell how far I've run.  It hasn't worked out that way
> so far.  I've been told that it's a 200 meter track, i.e. that the
> inside lane (lane 1) is exactly 200 meters around.  The problem is
> that joggers are supposed to use lanes 5 and 6.
> 
> Are 200 meter tracks standard

OOOOPS MEST UP MY LAST REPLY SO I'LL TRY AGAIN.

	No, 200m tracks aren't all the same. some have wider lanes, so lane
6 completly around one track maybe the same as lane 7 on another.  Plus
some tracks have tighter curves with longer straights etc..
	In order to get an exact 200 in a certain lane do the following:

	Go to the start/finish line, it should be at the start of a curve. 
Go to lane 2 and walk around the curve (1-3 yards) until you hit a line
that crosses only lane 2.  This line is the one turn staggar.  You want
to go all the way around the track so you need the 2 turn staggar.  Thus
keep on walking untill you hit another line, usually a different color
than the first line. (1-3 yards beyond the first).  This is the 2-turn
staggar.  Running from here all the way around the track to the finish
line will be 200m (if you stay in lane 2)
	Now go out to lane 6 and do the same (except now go 5-10 yards,
and ignore a curved line that may be there that crosses all the lanes),
The 1-turn staggar should be the same color as in lane 2.  The 2-turn
staggar will also be the same color as in lane 2. The same idea applies,
starting at the 2-turn staggar and going around to the finish line
in the same lane is 200m.      Note: ignore any triangles, these are
for relay exchanges. Note: the 2 turn staggar for lane 6 will
be about half way into the turn. Note: some tracks even have 3-turn staggars.

	well good luck, if your track is new these lines should still
be there and clearly marked (yeah right),    
				- T

From: jgr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Rohrbaugh)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:45:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Reasons needed for running
Organization: lunch
Newsgroups: rec.running


Ken Cooper said something to the effect of, "If you are running more than
3 miles 3-4 times a week, you are doing it for reasons other than your
health".  Let your husband know that he doesn't have to run a marathon
to enjoy the benefits of running.  Having grown up in Cedar Falls, I can
understand why your husband might not be excited about running during the
winter.  Perhaps the Dome is still open for running in the early morning.

John Rohrbaugh
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: >200 meter track
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:25:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

read@henson.cc.wwu.edu (thomas read) writes:
>On any track the turns are usually semicircles. This means you can
>compute the length of any lane from the formula for the circumference
>of a circle: length = 2pi x radius. In this case, to get the length
>of a lap in an outside lane, add 6.28 x (distance from inside of track)
>to the length of the inside lane.

Alternate method - measure the distance from the finish line (which should
cross all lanes at the same spot) to the two-turn-stagger starting line for
the lane in which you'll be running. Assuming it's lane 5, this line is usually
a little way "into the lap" from the finish, with a LARGE 5 painted immediately
behind it (if in doubt, ask someone). The measurement can be approximate - the
"count the steps" method is adequately accurate for most purposes.

Add that distance to 200m to get the length of a "lane 5 lap." Then get out
that calculator and, using 1 mile = approx 1609 meters, figure out how many
laps & fraction thereof per mile (check figure: for lane 5 it should be right
around 7 laps per mile).
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From: mcconnel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Terry R. McConnell)
Subject: Re: 400 meter track
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:34:23 EST

  [ Discussion about integer number of laps in various lanes
    which are nearly equal to an integer number of miles ]
>
>	23 laps in lane 4 ( = 6.00486 miles)
>	18 laps in lane 8 ( = 5.00023 miles )
>
>By contrast, 4 laps in lane 1 is 1.00584  miles.

Oops. Sorry about that. 4 laps in lane 1 is .9941... miles.



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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: 200 meter track?
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:31:19 GMT


The indoor running facility at my university just reopened.  I plan to
do some running in there this winter, when the weather does not permit
running outside, and when I want to do some interval training.

I figured one advantage of running on an indoor track would be that
it'd be easy to tell how far I've run.  It hasn't worked out that way
so far.  I've been told that it's a 200 meter track, i.e. that the
inside lane (lane 1) is exactly 200 meters around.  The problem is
that joggers are supposed to use lanes 5 and 6.

Are 200 meter tracks standard, so that the same lanes on different 200
meter tracks are the same distance?  If so, does anyone know what the
distance is for lane 6 of a 200 meter track?

I've tried counting my paces around the lanes to get an idea how
different they are, but I keep getting varying counts (the fluctuation
has been such that the range of distances works out to be 220-230
meters, which leads to fairly significant differences in laps/mile
calculations), so I thought I'd check if this was somewhat common
knowledge.

Thanks for any help.

-- 
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Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
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