HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Train Service to Kanyakumari
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:45:06 GMT

partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:



>	What happened to the railway traffic between Kanyakumari
>and Tirunelveli? I know there is a broad gauge line linking
>Tirunelveli, Nagercoil, Kanyakumari and Trivandrum. When they
>started they had a very slow running passenger train. Later on
>it was said to be up graded to allow express trains all the
>way upto Delhi. Kanyakumari being a major tourist place, I wonder
>if there is sufficient flux of tourists that use the trains.
>The government can save a lot of money by cutting down on their
>heavily subsidized bus transportation and encouraging railway
>travel there. I also have seen broad gauge track laid between
>Triunelveli and Maniachi and Maniachi and Tuticorin. Are the
>plans to link Triuchi with Tirunelveli still in existence?
>Any knowledegeable netter can enlighten us on this.

Karur is being linked to Tirunelveli via Tiruchi, Madurai,
Virudhunagar and Maniyachi. The line is expected to be complete
by next year or so. I was told that the work is proceeding
quite fast now-a-days. One complete, Madurai/Tirunelveli- madras
travelers will have a triple choice: Main and chord line on MG and
the new BG via Karur and Erode. The only folks to be given the short
end are the ones between Virudhunagar and Quilon: Sankarankoil, Rajapalayam,
Sivakasi, Tenkasi, Sengottai, Punalur, Kottarakara etc. - Ganesh

>R. Partha sarathy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: kuRunthokai
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:17:09 GMT



  I submit a romantic kuRunthokai classical poem.

The author is aLLoor nanmullaiyaar.
 The heroine tells her girlfriend who visited her
 early in the morning.

  kukkoo yendRathu kOzhi; athan yethir
  thudken RanRuyen thooya nencham-
  thOLthOi kaathalar pirikkum
  vaaLpOl vaikaRai vanthenRaal yenavE!


  Co Coo crowed the cock
  and my poor heart missed a beat
  that the sword of morning came down
  to cut me off my lover
  twined in my arms.

                    (AK Ramanujan)


 Kathiravan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: jeyaku@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Murugesu Jeyakumaran)
Subject: Re: Tastelessness or shear hypocracy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:48:40 GMT

In article <6923@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> sri@stan.xx.swin.oz.au (SRITHARAN K) writes:
>In <1992Aug28.142052.24534@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>
>>I agree with most of the things you said. I think that the spread of
>>gun-culture in otherwise peaceful TN is because of sl-tamil-terrorists and its
>>sympathizers. If anyone wants to have proof on this, check the old newspapers
>>from Madras and from Trichy
>
>>RT
>
>
>It wouldn't have happened if you people and your goverments haven't
>supported in the first place for their own benifits.
>
>We are not "Weanda Penndati".  Because of your lack of foresight (govt's)
>we are going through all the miseries now.
>
>To change colour we are not patchontikal.
>
>Cheers,
>Sri

Oh boy ! This guy (sri) looks like a very serious guy.

Jeyaku

PS: IMHO, we, sensitive sri-lankan tamils, should ignore the "sensitive" 
    comments by people like thiyagarajan.
       
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From: crathina@tesla.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu)
Subject: Vinayaga (Pillaiyar) Sadurthi.
Originator: crathina@tesla.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:07:50 GMT


       Happy Pillaiyar (Vinayaga) Sadurthi for everyone.
       --------------------------------------------------

             Kizhamai : Thingal

               Naal   : Padinaru

              Maatham : Aavani

             Varudam  : Hankeerasa

         Natchathirum : sithirai

             Rasi     : Thulam/Kanni (depending upon the four padams)

        Raaghu_Khalam : Kalai 7.30 mudhal 9.00 varai

          Ema_Ghandam : Paghal 10.30 mudal 12.00 varai

               Thidi  : Sadhurthi

        Nice_day for doing "Pudhu Manai Pughu(kudi) Vizha".

                 We used to make Pillaiyar in mud and decorate him with

      paddy,kundumani,one-rupee-coin(on his thondhi),paper-umbrella and

      sometimes even with blinking-serial-lamps. He will survive happily

      for three days and on the last day he will be thrown into the
  
      well/pond/river/lake/sea/anyplace with water.

                                             Everyone have a nice
      
      food(Vadai-both masal and maedu,Kasa-vatral,Payasam,Chundal,
 
      Kozhu-kattai,Ellurundai,fruits etc...) with family and have
 
      a nice fun. Really kids will enjoy this Hindu-festival.

      Anbuden,
      C.Rathinavelu

 "Pillaiyar Pillaiyar Arumaiyana Pillaiyar .....forgot".
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: None
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:24:50 GMT



   selvaa! yengaL thamizhic selvaa
   min anu guruvE! muthamizh vithvaa!
   muthuth thamizhai
   anu vanuvaaka pirithu poruL viLakkum uthamaa!
   thamizh eenarkaLai kaLaiya vantha puthuyuka vElavaa!
   matayarkaLukku NYanaoLi kodukum theepaa!
   thodarka un paNi! vaazhka!

   kathiravan

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: kaNNathaasan-shakespeare
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:33:38 GMT

 I read somewhere that kaNNadhasan's

"thookam un kaNkaLaith thazhuvadumE
 amaithi un nenjil nila vaddumE- antha
 thookamum amaithyum nNAn aanal unnai
 thodarnthirupEn yendRum thuNai irupEn.  "

  follows shakespeare's

"Let sleep dwell upon thine eyes
 Please upon thy breast
 If I were sleep and peace
 So sweet to rest"

Could some netters enlighten on this. In which play did
shake tell this.   

anbudan,

kathiravan

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: KaaLamEgam's silEdai ( was Re: SILADI )
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:46:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.133112.27147@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu) writes:
>In article <9209010413.AA25808@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>>R.Parthasarathy ( partha@mse.ogi.edu ) writes :
>
>
>>
>>  kaththu_kadal choozh naagaich chaththiraththil
>>  aththamikkum pOdhil arisi_varum kuththi
>>  ulaiyilida oor adangum oru_pidi aNNam
>>  ilaiyilida veLLi ezhum 
>>
>
>
>Let me try to give a meaning of my own. Let us imagine a group
>of travellers, lot of them, having travelled  the whole day,
>are coming to the nAgai chaththiram. Note that it is a chathiram,
>i.e. it serves mainly travellers. starved and exhausted, they are
>about to faint. When their lids are about to close, (aththamikkum 
>podhu) rice is brought into the chathiram. 
>
>When the rice boils in the kitchen, hearing the sound, the travellers,
>(oor used for travellers here, so that an emphasis is made on
>the number of travellers) in the main hall, hold their breath
>expectantly ( adangum). (Thus making no noise at all). 
>
>Now, the moment a lump of rice is served, ( Here again, note the number of
>waiters. There is oru pidi annam on everyone's plate. So,
>conclude that the guests have a waiter each.) oh, the smile on the
>travellers faces envies the brightness of the morning star.
>( velli is used as a symbolic reference to the smile).
>
>Bye,
>Babu


This is an excellent imaginative interpretation of an old song.
Well done. As far I am concerned, I don't really care if
KaaLamEgam meant to say what is given above. The interpretation
makes sense and sounds good.

Ram Kumar
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From: vijbal@auto-trol.com (Vijay Balasubramanian)
Subject: Re: HELP WITH PRE/POST COMPLETION EID
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation, Denver, Co 80241.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.191746.22675@jade.tufts.edu> slahiri@jade.tufts.edu (Sandip Lahiri) writes:
>
>Wait a sec man, do you mean EAD ? Recent changes in law forbid the
>university international centre to issue EAD (which was the
>sole authority in issuing the document) to the student concerned. You
>have to apply to INS thru your university international center. The 
>charge is $60. You have to apply within one month of your date of
>graduation/NOT before two weeks (not sure check this one) prior
>to it. 
You can apply 2 months prior to or 1 month after the date of graduation.

>It takes 8 (if u r lucky)- 11 weeks (if you are unlucky)
>for your application to get processed. I applied for my EAD on 16th
>June, 1992 and I have received my interview appointment letter with
>them only on the day before yesterday !! 
I guess it depends on the INS to which you are applying. For instance, in
Denver it takes less than 4 weeks.

>Unless you appear at the 
>interview u cannot be issued an EAD and worse if your mailing address
>has changed in between. And remember if you get your EAD after two
>months it means your practical training period = 12-2=10 months and
>NOT 12 months.
Again the date on the EAD is the date you appear for the interview. So, you
have 12 months from that date.

>
>-Sandip

Vijay
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                       Auto-trol Technology Corporation                  
                      Research & Development, Series 5000
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: Re: Posst completion P.Trng.
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:32:52 GMT


	For 	el chico vivek  R. prabhu 
		tufts sandip lahiri
	and 	nodak velmurugan.

	
	I don't know what you mean by pre/post completion "eid."
	
	 now EXCUSE the PIDGIN ENGLISH.

	No precompletion training.
	internship  period may be deducted from post completion practical trng.

	application should be made two months prior to and within one month of "completion of all requirements - CAR".

To get CAR -letter

	after thesis defence get letter from advisor "stating so-and-so has completed all requirements for XXXX degree. Training in students area of expertise not available in students home country.

Give letter to ISO advisor.
	ISO advisor will endorse on reverse of I20 - Eligible for practical trng.
I think endorsee is director of student affairs - will verify and post.

*******************************************************************
I drove one person to N.O.  INS and  went with another person to give directions.
**********************************************************************
following is for applications for INS, NEW ORLEANS.

until fall 92 N.O. INS accepts applications in person and card issued in 45 minutes to one hour. 
	needed are I-20, SS card .... and check or M.O. for $60.00. Photo and fingerprints are taken.

** from fall 92' applications to be made by post. Date will be set for photo, fingerprints...( not confirmed as yet)
*** two months prior- is for non thesis...students.
**** Post compl. training can be taken even before CAR. Applicable for summers before completion. periods used will be deducted from the 
12 months P.T. (this one is from the latest bulletin of "david ware and associates-
a N.O. based immigration lawyer) David visits many univs. in the dixie region.

***************** No Interviews********************************

Call 504 555 1212 (david ware associates) and ask for immigration bulletins to be sent to you. 
Bulletins are free and are sent monthly.


 disc - I have not met Mr. ware nor have I met him. I have not corresponded with Mr. ware or his office. I am not a marketing agent for Mr.ware or his office.
I will not tell you that he has a car with the registration "ALIENS" (hearsay) nor will I tell you that I saw his other car, a real nasty looking sucker (subaru svx). I cannot tell you that I had been in his office but I can tell you he is efficient and inexpensive - damn I hope I get that car. [ha! ha! C.T. joke]-----(for green card 100 dollars an hour- reasonable number of hours- say 10-15/ maybe more after ANDY baby's visit)

shiv
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: SCT is 40th in the list of  per-reader cost
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:12:37 GMT


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From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Repost: Re: ammA/appA
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:11:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.172651.8619@nynexst.com> naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik) writes:
>
>>Message-ID: <BtJpur.7os@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
>>          For a child it is easy to grasp a single syllable words
>>          especially if it is conspicuously visible such as labial
>>          sounds. The adjoining vowel "aa" is also the most natural
>>          since mere opening of the mouth ( in Tamil it is called
>>          "angaaththal") with little effort produces these sounds.
>>          But why "pa" refers to father and not mother is probably more
>>          subtle. "pa" involves more effort than "ma" and probably
>>          the mothers felt it is a better word to address themeselves.
>> 
>
>	Yes, this is indeed shown to a reasonable hypothesis from various 
>experiments in language acquisition (I don't have any references, there are
>plenty available). A baby begins to associate sounds with objects because
>of positive reinforcement, and for a number of other reasons. A mother being
>the one closest to the baby responds with delight and approval when a baby
>makes the 'ma ma' sounds, so perhaps the mothers had their pick! The fathers
>had to settle for the 'pa pa' sounds, which came next. 
>	These sounds are quite common in a wide variety of languages. Building
>some sort of a grand language/ethnic  scheme around such a common set of words
>is tenuous at best and rather silly.
>
> Cheers,
>------------------------
> Jayant Naik 
> 


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From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: echo words
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:52:16 GMT

In article <BtM5xD.6M6@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan) writes:
>In article <BtLvvx.CsM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>[...]
>>> Unrelated memory associations:

[Comments on KIchchu mAchchu deleted]

>
>
>>> 	mUlai kAlai (maybe only in TE)
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>          I'm sorry i don't know this. Does mUlai means a corner here ?
>>          Can you please give the meaning and context of this saying ?
>>          Thanks. [ it might also be a case of "pair-words" rather than
>>          echo words. ]
>
>Yes, it means "corner".  Example usage:
>	mUlai kAlaiyellAm thEdinEn
>    (I searched in every nook and corner)
>"kAlai" is just an echo whereas "mUlai" does have a meaning
>relevant to this context.
>
>[...]
>
>Regards,
>
>- Asokan


I Never heard of "mUlai kAlai" before. However, in Coimbatore (Kovai) the
term "mUlai mudukku" is commonly used (mUlai being corner) as in:

	"mUlai mudukku yellAm thEdinEn" (I searched in every nook and corner)

Regards.

Ram Kumar
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: ADDENDUM : A puzzle
Date: 23 Aug 1992 12:39:26 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Ravi V.Shankar writes :

>In article <Aug.19.15.44.48.1992.2599@endeavour.rutgers.edu> surendra@endeavour.rutgers.edu (Arun Surendran) writes:
>>
>>	A righteous man who believes in 'truth' and 'non-violence' was
>>	walking down a road which, at some point, split into a fork.
>>	Just as he was approaching the fork, a cow ran past him into
>>	one of the road formed by the fork and quickly disappeared
>>	around the curve. A minute later a man with a big butcher's knife
>>	(apparently the butcher) came running .. He stopped this man (our
>>	hero) and asked him 'Which road did the cow take?'. 
>>
>>	Here is the dilemma : If the man points to the right path, he
>>	would be a party to killing an animal, hence would have gone
>>	against 'non violence'. But if he does not give the right path,
>>	he would by lying (violating truth). What would he do?
>>
>>	What would YOU do?
>>		   
>>	AC Suren

>The answer, at least in this case, seems simple to me. If by lying I
>can do something good I would rather do it.

>" nallathu seidhida poi sollalam enru valluvar sonnaru
>  nattukkaaga kovilai katta oruvar thirudavum seidhaaru"

>      --- from the song "thillu mullu, thillu mullu"

   Here, KaNNadhaasan is referring to the kuRaL
  " vaaymai enbathu yaadhenin yaathoRkkum
    theemai ilaatha solal "
 pointed out in earlier replies to this puzzle by S.Pandian and
 Bala Swaminathan.
   But I like to point out that this kuRaL is misused in the
 K.B. movie `Thillumullu' to defend lies and stealing. The quoted
 lines by Ravi V.Shankar are from the title song `Thillu mullu..
 thillu millu..'. This song introduces Rajinikanth  and
 his friends Gundu KalyaaNam & Co. During this song, Rajini's
 friends chat with someone sitting on a motor bike on a road
 to aid Rajini to steal petrol from his bike. Then Rajini sings, 
  " nallathu saidhida poi sollalaam ena vaLLuvar chonnaaru
    naattukku kOyil kattida oruvaru thirudavum saidhaaru".
 VaLLuvar doesn't quite say that `If by lying I can do something
 good, I would rather do it.' [ Good to whom ? Myself or others ? ]
 In the movie `Thillumullu' for instance, Rajini & Co do something
 good to them ( getting petrol ) by lying ( and stealing ). They
 are not justified by VaLLuvar's kuRaL. For a good interpretation
 of this kuRaL, I recommend Bala Swaminathan's posting.

                                                     S.Pandian.
                                              sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T.C.A.Venkatesan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:03:33 GMT
 <92246.095106IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <kat.715532123@sarek>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <kat.715532123@sarek>, kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
says:
>
>In <92246.095106IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> T.C.A.Venkatesan
><IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>
>
>>   Condemnation of the entire vedas based on this is not right. From what
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
>>I have seen, the vedas and in fact hinduism, have lot of contradictory
>>messages. The right approach is to teach the common man how to pick
>>up the right stuff. Saying that everything about either is wrong is
>>a faulty approach!
>
>
> but, hope that you don't treat this as a flame.
>There is a saying in coimbatore area.
>"saathathilE pee irukku, iruthaapale oothunu sonnana
>
>
>If there is shit in the food, how can we filter it and eat. We have to
>throw the food. We know all the veda and varNa and things and
>their interpretations, defence and what not does not have
>any sense. Why do people still defend that?

   I honestly do not believe that an example like this is useful. Just
as you did, I could use an example/illustration to prove my point. And
I am sure you can come up with many more. The problem is that opininons
and morals in society are very dynamic. What was right yesterday is not
today; what is today will not be tomorrow. So a book(s) such as the
vedas giving one code of conduct for all ages would not work. One
does see this failure in other religious texts. If we think back or
ahead, we would realize that we don't believe in some of the things we
did, say, ten years back. One may even feel stupid on such a
reflection. That was the basis of my comment.

  Regarding, people blindly defending everything the vedas say, I do not
have any respect for such people. As I said before, there are lots of
wrong ideas in them, particularly wrt today's society. However, to
decide that they are completely wrong is incorrect too, in my
opinion.

  In fact, wrt to the tamil quote you mentioned - I have found there
are quite contradictory tamil proverbs as well. Do we then decide that
all tamil sayings should be ignored?


  BTW, before anybody jumps to any conclusions: no, I don't believe in
the Vedas etc. I read some occasionally for academic interest only.


Cheers
Venky
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