HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives (SHE LOVES ME, YEAH YEAH YEAH)
Summary: What about females
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:08:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.233933.5944@leland.Stanford.EDU>, usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed) writes:
> 
> A useful point to note as pointed out by Marmaduke Pikthal [sp?]
> in his translation of the Quran, "The Glorious Koran",
> is that in Islam one wife is the ideal but four wives are the
> concession made to sexuality.  In Christianity, by comparison,
> celibacy is the ideal but one wife is the concession made to 
> sexuality. Islam attempts not to deny human sexuality, but to have
                                        ^^^^^
> multiple wives one must satisfy many restrictions. Somebody more
> knowledgeable may post these.
> 
> Usman

And exactly, WHOSE sexuality is that ?

Why no concessions were made for sexuality of females ?

I guess they are not worth it ....

The word human above should be changed to MAN to be
consistent with Islamic law.

regards,

-Naveed
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:30:49 -0400 
From: "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lawyers !



The Economist had indeed made a mistake in its report on the density
of lawyers. In Pakistan the correct number is around 50 lawyers per
100,000 population rather than the reported around 500.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Woody Allen Joke
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.151031.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>
>
>Did you hear the title of Woody Allen's latest movie??
>
>Its called 'Honey I slept with the kids'
>
>Well maybe polygamy isnt all that bad, at least it prevents 
>slezoids like Mr. Allen from acting out their fantasies on 
>their kids

Why would polygamy prevent such an act ??????????
Polygamy is about sex and more sex. For men to have four
bodies to play around with but that will not stop them from 
playing around with a fifth one.

sahibzada rafay khan [ trust not sex is what makes marriage: Dr. Abid Kemal]


>
>jahanara
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
From: mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:41:28 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug16.160657.3041@memstvx1.memst.edu> self writes:
>In article <Bt2Bw3.MED@ecf.toronto.edu>, obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF) writes:
>> In article <8eXP2O600VogAF4Wpz@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>>>
>>>Pakistan will never make a complete break with India.
>>>After all their cricket team needs somebody to beat :-):-)
>>>-arun
>> 
>> 	C'mon Arun! You know better than that. Pak. does not need a 
>> cricket TEAM to beat India.....Wasim and Waqar are enough. :-) :-)
>> 
>> Arif
>> 
>       Trying to be modest, eh? You very well know that it takes just
>  ONE Paki umpire to do the job.
>
>  Patri Rao
>
>
Yes we are sore losers.  Pakistan won the world cricket cup, they beat
England and we were so scared of their team that we did not allow them
to come to India (remember Bal Thakrey threatening to destroy the pitch).
But no "We are the champions of the World", you guessed it right, Fredrick
Mercury was also an Indian.

Manoj
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: Re: SOUTH ASIAN SPORTS ACHIEVEMENTS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:31:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.220626.29863@leland.Stanford.EDU> asiddiqu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ali Siddiqui) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug12.021132.3838@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>>usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed) writes:
>>>
>
>You forgot to add that Rafay has been batting and bowling really well. I 
>suspect that he has been doctoring the ball and the bat!! :-) :-).
>But this saturday we will be prepared for him.
>
>Ali.


Ali, who is this Shaukat guy?

Usman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Woody Allen Joke
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.151031.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
> 
> 
> Did you hear the title of Woody Allen's latest movie??
> 
> Its called 'Honey I slept with the kids'
> 
> Well maybe polygamy isnt all that bad, at least it prevents 
> slezoids like Mr. Allen from acting out their fantasies on 
> their kids
> 
> jahanara
> 
> 

Disagree! Polygamy is BAD so is Woody Allen.

regards, 

-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Nadeem Hussain)
Subject: Re: Polygamy & Polyandry.
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:25:41 GMT

gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.154739.18892@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
>>
>>And on that last point, might I ask how can modern day freedom-thinkers
>>justify banning polygamy? 
>>
>>-Nadeem Malik (nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch)

>I for one would not condemn polygamy *IF* it was done with the consensus of 
>all involved. However, given the fact that most cultures are still matriarchal,
>polygamy that enjoys religious sanction is highly abused among the illiterate
>(It is only theoretically that the first wife  is supposed to be consulted 
>about another wife (and that too under extreme circumstances) but we all 
>know what the reality is). Under such circumstances, the very purpose of 

>On the same note, it would be impossible to justify why polyandry should be 
>banned (as per Islamic prohibitions). It seems illogical as to why the same 
>logic that applies to polygamy (extreme conditions etc.) cannot be applied to 
>polyandry. Either condemn them both or accept them both but a one sided stand
>only speaks of the sexist hipocrisy of Islam (sorry...Islamic INTERPRETATION).

I agree (if that is you meant "patriarchal" up there rather than matriarchal).
However given the patriarchy shouldn't marriage itself be banned?  We all
know what the reality of most marriages is.

Nadeem.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aq0@engr.uark.edu (Amer Qureshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: DESI JOKES (adults only) #5
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:49:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: engr.1992Aug13.204950.28778
Organization: University of Arkansas


i am using the same title and the first para of the orignal
posting to post another JOKE.....

>
>
>	 Title of the Joke:	     KOTHA/GADDA
         New Title        :          KOTHA/GADDA/ZEBRA
>				     -------------
>
>Definition of KOTHA: In punjabi means donkey
>
>
>A kind hearted American is faced with crises, his best pet a KOTHA
>is sad and depressed for some unknown reason. He does every thing
>to cheer him up but still the KOTHA remains sad.

so one day this american decides to cheer him up by providing her
a KHOTHI for a night. but to his misrey he could'nt find one.

the closes thing he did arrange was a female ZEBRA from a circus.
so he rents the ZEBRA and leaves it with him for the night.

the next morning he comes in and see the KHOTHA is yet sad. So
he ask him, did'nt you enjoy the night.

the KHOTHA replies DAMN! well i wanted to, but could'nt get the
PAJAMAS off this KHOTHI....

>
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: An (up-to-date) Update on SCPians ;-)
Keywords: duke
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:08:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <TcTDPB1w165w@spectrx.saigon.com> r3po@spectrx.saigon.com (r3po) writes:
>
>i never thought that completing the requirements of phd is an evidence
>of "talent" (especially in a not-top-rated like Duke CS school).
>and i dont know of any first-class CS/EE school that will hire its
>own graduate (it is considered too damaging to the pretige of a good school)

There is little doubt that Salman is very talented.  He received the
James B. Duke fellowship, which is the most prestigious graduate
fellowship at Duke.  Later, as a senior graduate student, he was
awarded the Karl Gauss instructorship which allows grad students
to act as junior faculty and gives them responsibility for an undergrad
course.  Plus, of course, he has numerous papers to his credit and
is (or was) probably also writing a novel.  

Duke CS is not a highly-rated program, however.  None of the Engg.
and mathematical departments at Duke have been ranked amongst
the leaders by the US News & World Report surveys.  I believe,
however, that Salman was accepted at MIT for CS but chose to come
to Duke because of the J.B. Duke fellowship.  As for his faculty
appointment, it is temporary and, while it certainly doesn't look
good for a second-rate program to hire its own fresh graduates,
it does speak well for the graduate himself.



>PS: duke university is indeed VERY good (in the areas where it is excellent)

Duke University's medical school was started in 1930 and is ranked
third by US News, after Harvard and Johns Hopkins.  It is probably
just as good as the other two and takes third place only because its
youth deprives it of the metaphor value associated with Hopkins
and Harvard.  From the mid-seventies on, the medical sciences
and hospital have been Duke's greatest asset and continue to be so.
In the early eighties, Duke's Fuqua school of business and the
law school both began to emerge as nationally-ranked programs,
and are consistently placed in the bottom half of the top ten
in their field (US News).  Finally, the undergraduate program is
quite outstanding also and remains highly ranked.




ps for those who measure medical science success by the number
of nobel laureates, it must be said that while harvard has
several, duke has none.  That's not so bad, though, since
Johns Hopkins has only one (shared by Nathans & Smith).


-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.183759.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.101149.30461@davidsys.com>, merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>> 
>> 	The point of Islam allowing multiple wives is not an issue that
>> is debatable.  It is allowed and it is the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (phuh)
>> and it is still valid today as it was fourteen centuries ago.  There are
>> **reasons why** it is permitted and the guidelines in Islam are for all
>> people and all time.  Those who disagree with the concept and call it
>> sexist and baised against women can choose not to practise it.  But when
>> people conclude to questioning the character of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)
>> and theorizing that Islam deprives the rights of women, then, those
>> people haven't really understood what Islam has given to women.   
>> 
>> Islam is the exception.
>
>  You're right there * were* definite reasons for allowing multiple
>wives, but most of those reasons do not exist today.  There is no
>shortage of men for one thing (thank G-d :-)) and women, many women, 
>do not need to be taken care of, you and I are probably good examples.
>I dont think it is a matter of questioning the Prophets (pbuh)
>character to call it a sexist rule, because the concept of sexism 
>didnt exist at that time; however it does exist today, and by
>definition allowing multiple wives is a sexist concept.  However to 
	=================================================	
	Yes, in your opinion, I will like to add. :)

>each his own and if someone feels he can treat more than one wife 
>equally and his wives agree to it then it is their personal business.
>I for one would shoot my good man in case he became interested in 
>acquiring another wife.  No doubt about it!!
>jahanara  
>> 
>> -Rukhsana Merchant

Asim Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]
From: azam@databusters.ag.ndsu.NoDak.edu (syed azam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Multiple wives (Lectures worth watching)
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:01:46 GMT



Anyone interested in understanding the place of women in Islam should see the  
lecture by Dr. Jamal Badawi, titled, "Women in Islam". 

Also, sister Amina Salami ( an American who accpted Islam) has two lectures on  
the same topic.

These tapes can be obtained from your local Islamic Center or from Islamic  
Society of North America and Islamic Center of North America.

If anyone of you is unable to get these lectures from their Islamic center,  
Please contact me, Insha-Allah I will try my best to make some arrangement.

Sincerely,

Syed Azam
From: zaidim@ux1.isu.edu (M. Baqar Zaidi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:20:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.Bt97Iy.5tn
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello

In article <1992Aug19.083621.127@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220755@cc.uow.edu.au (sanjay dani) writes:
>zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR) writes:
>
>
>>	
>>	What a news guys......
>
>>	"Pakistan has fired 687 police officers in Sind province, citing their
>>	ties to criminals, the government said. The action followed a recent 										          order by Prime Minister Sharif for a crackdown on the province's police
>>	force."
>
>
>>	The Wall Street Journal.
>>	Monday, August 17, 1992.
>
>
>>	Zakir Abdi. (This time pray for Pakistan) 
>
>
>
>Were they Sindhis or Muhajirs?
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    Can't you guy's keep these stupid ethnic difference away? I just don't
believe it.



-- 
Baqar Zaidi                        |zaidim@ux1.isu.edu,         | 
Dept. of Math & Computer Science + |zaidim@howland.isu.edu      |
College of Engineering,            |Mail Add. ISU BOX #8575     |
Idaho State University.            |        Pocatello, ID 83209 |
From: patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:06:57 -0600
Reply-To: self
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <Bt2Bw3.MED@ecf.toronto.edu>, obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF) writes:
> In article <8eXP2O600VogAF4Wpz@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>>
>>Pakistan will never make a complete break with India.
>>After all their cricket team needs somebody to beat :-):-)
>>-arun
> 
> 	C'mon Arun! You know better than that. Pak. does not need a 
> cricket TEAM to beat India.....Wasim and Waqar are enough. :-) :-)
> 
> Arif
> 
       Trying to be modest, eh? You very well know that it takes just
  ONE Paki umpire to do the job.

  Patri Rao


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: asiddiqu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ali Siddiqui)
Subject: Re: FZ, a legend leaving us...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:27:52 GMT

>>syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
>From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
>By the way Rafay Sahib, your wides really helped our side in getting into the
>double figures  :)

This was a strategy employed by us to make the other team over-confident. 
Rafay was bowling those wides by design and as expected this payed off.

I second the idea of a farewell party for FZ. I am always for parties.
(Can't wait to throw FZ in the pool).

Ali.

P.S. Hasan, ofcourse, the other strategy was the strategic manipulation of 
our score :-)
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Contradictions of (so called) upholders of rights
Summary: read it from averybody's point of view
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:12:03 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.

In article <1992Aug17.170359.27017@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
> 
> >sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
> >>
> >>Same is true for polygamy laws in Islam, these are laws made by MEN
> >>to be imposed on WOMEN, if women had some say in this, I would 
> >>like to see how these laws would look like.
> >>
> 
> Dear Sir,
> I am not trying to engage myself in debate about religion or rights of any
> sex etc etc. I just had a comment on your above-copied statement.
> 
> Your statement would make perfect sense if seen from an outsider's (non-
> muslim's, better yet, atheist's (sp?)) point of view. But it does not make
> anysense, what so ever, if read from a Muslim's point of view. I guess that
> set of all basic rules is still believed to be from Allah. Isn't it? now
> re-read your statement!
> 
> regards,
> --nasir

Nasir Bhai:

 We must look at things from everybody's point of view. I always
take neutral (non-religious) point of view on this issues. Since
I do not think that I can impose on others what my Gods say. 

 In a society which may consist of people of all religions, we
must never impose one religion on other people, because it is unfair
and illogical (I know Irfan Hyder hates this word :-) ).

 Within muslims, there should be no discussion of this nature.
If Allah said so then what is the discussion. The kind of
discussion true muslims can have is of interpretation.

regards,

-Naveed
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:13759 soc.culture.bangladesh:4531 soc.culture.indian:28337
From: ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:30:42 GMT
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science


In article <1992Aug15.193004.22311@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, budaraju@cae.wisc.edu (Srinivas Budaraju) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.235804.22204@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> 
> >system, a monarchy, is against Islamic principles.  Bangladesh is not
> >an Islamic state, but Islam is the state religion.  There is a
> >difference.  
> 
> What is the difference?

Bangladesh has Islam as a state religion in the same way that the U.K.
has Anglicanism as a state religion.  It is the religion of the
majority.  Being an Islamic state would imply that Islamic law was
implemented (which it is not).

-- Shakil
From: mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: AYODHYA Temple: Pakis and their cheap motives
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:34:44 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug15.192226.6436@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.044043.14068@uceng.UC.EDU> you write:
>>In article <56609@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Learn to respect your women ( and they include your mother and sister)
>>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>   and give them equal rights. Give some social status to Hindu minorities
>>>>   before you try to preach your ideologies.
>>>> 
>>>     Oh yeah I forgot we are are the ones who burn our women.
>>>
>>> ch talk about rights!!!!!!! 
>>>             ___   
>>> Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
>>
>>So you are the ones who burn their women, I thought you only forced them
>>into Burkhas, we Indians are so naive.
>>
>>Manoj
>
>Noooo, manoj you got it all wrong. We don't force them into burkhas, but BJP's
>like you burn their women after the husbands die. And if blind BJP's like you
>would read some history, that professor Oak had it all wrong. There is no
>evidence of any Masjid being built on any hindu temple, but BJP's like you
>wouldn't want to hear anything about it.
>
>zafar 
>
>ps you can find out more about me if you care to. I go to your university.
>

You don't force females in burkhas, good for you. Did I say anything
about the masjid. What makes you think I am from the BJP and if a 
person can post on the net he is obviously not blind. Burning women
is a crime in India punishable by death, it was a Pakistani who
said that Pakistanis are the ones who burn their women. Was it my
to believe him? Please don't get hysterical in the US over a temple
built/not built in India, if you are a Pakistani it is of no concern
of yours. Before being paranoid of the BJP learn it's full form.

ps UC does not belong to me and I don't care to know more about
you. And for your information my grandfather before he died
was thrice CongI MLA from Solapur, he was a member of the
Congress before independence and was almost hanged by the British
for blowing up a rail road track. He survived because he escaped
from Yerwada jail in Pune, his friends captured with him were hanged.
Now my grandmother is the Cong I women wing leader in Solapur.
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Woody Allen Joke
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:05:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
>Subject: Re: Woody Allen Joke

>ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:

>>'Honey, I molested a 7-year kid'

>This is still only an allegation.

Read the subject: 'Woody Allen Joke'

Didn't get it? Read it again.

>Sumitro

Arshad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: obaidr@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF)
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 06:12:03 GMT

In article <8eXP2O600VogAF4Wpz@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>
>Pakistan will never make a complete break with India.
>After all their cricket team needs somebody to beat :-):-)
>-arun

	C'mon Arun! You know better than that. Pak. does not need a 
cricket TEAM to beat India.....Wasim and Waqar are enough. :-) :-)

Arif

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:33:48 GMT

>to a divorced male than a divorced female.  Also, I think there are
>many benefits (for a woman) to have a second wife in the household.
>

I don't want to enter in this debate again.  But this is really funny.
Some men could think that it is much more advantages to have another
husband in the household, after all according to you men and women are
not equal, and so a man happens to be better in plumbing, house repairs
and obviously working on the car.
>
>-Rukhsana Merchant
>
Manoj.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan