HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New column adds a gay perspective
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:58:36 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1egr5hINN7v6@fido.asd.sgi.com>, kenj@kambo.esd.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones) writes:
> 
> I spotted this in today's (Thursday, November 19) issue of the
> San Jose Mercury News.
> 
> =====================
> 
> Starting today and on following Thursdays, the Living section will
> feature columnist Deb Price on Page 2.  Price's column, which
> originated at the Detroit News in May, deals with gay issues, from
> prom nights to legal rights.  "Newspapers should challenge readers
> and tell them what's really going on in the world," Price says.
> "That might seem fairly obvious, but it simply hasn't been true
> with gay issues.  My column tries to fill a void by describing the
> world from a gay perspective."  Price is the news editor at the
> Washington bureau of the Detroit News.
> 
> =====================

[balance of post deleted]

It appears that editors at the various Knight-Ridder newspapers are
either talking to each other or have come down with a highly unusual case of
groupthink.  

About a month ago, Zack Stalberg, editor of the _Philadelphia Daily News_,
announced that a regular monthly Op-Ed column would be launched this coming
month (December), alternating between an openly gay man and a lesbian [the
man's name escapes me; the woman will be local writer Victoria Brownworth].
The paper has been running Brownworth's columns as "guest opinions" on a
fairly regular basis for several months, and she has also appeared occa-
sionally on the Commentary page of the _News's_ bigger sister, the
_Philadelphia Inquirer_.  All four of the papers mentioned in this article
are owned by Knight-Ridder.

Where will this trend pop up next?  _The Miami Herald_?  _The Wichita Eagle_?

__________________________________________________________________________
Sandy F. Smith, Jr. _____________>>New address: sfsmith@mail.sas.upenn.edu
Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
 
Time for Bill Clinton to get off the bus and hop on board the train!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:45:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.071134.8129@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Jess says:
> 
> >[Brie de Belmont.] This too must be fully ripened, that is, starting
> >to run almost as soon as you get it out of the fridge.
> 
> Hmm. How much ammonia develops in the cheese when it's that old? I've
> found that with most good brie, the cheese gets foetid long before it
> gets runny. I'm used to stiff brie these days.

I thought stiff brie was anathema to true connoisseurs. To get it
appropriately runny, isn't it generally sufficient to let it stand at
room temperature for half an hour or so? I'm not a real brie lover
myself... and I *am* rather fond of sharp cheddar, in moderation.

> Maybe my tastes are just too delicate?

Oh, I don't think so. :-)


> >This seems like a good time to propose that the cheese and wine
> >lovers on soc.motss come to Oregon for Valentines Day and commune at
> >the coast where we can watch the breakers under grey skies, walk
> >solitary beaches, and visit cheese factories and wine shops as well
> >as a microbrewery or two.
> 
> this sounds marvelous. Could we make it St. Patrick's day, though? By
> then I'll be able to legally go to those wine shops and
> microbreweries..

Aha. I wondered when that magical moment was to be. Well, I've got it
narrowed down to a span of 31 days, anyway.

Hmmm... I wonder if I can get away for/with this. I don't work for
Suffolk County, so I don't get Evacuation Day as a holiday.

[Explanation for the New-England-impaired: March 17th is an official
holiday of Suffolk County, MA, which includes Boston and precious
little else. The bizarre name apparently refers to the occasion of the
British Army evacuating -- i.e., departing -- from Boston, during the
Revolutionary War. It is generally recognized that this holiday exists
for the sole purpose of allowing the (largely Irish) employees of the
City of Boston to spend St. Patrick's day in the appropriate fashion
(i.e., getting plastered).]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: ***Accessories!!!***
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:03:02 GMT

larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>In <1992Nov18.131253.7292@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:

Somehow, Steven's article never appeared at my site. Fortunately, Larry
included it.

>>FJ -- you've got to come visit the U.S.

Tell me about it.

As the boy in the quotes file said, 'to me, 'home' does not mean rooms
and places, it is the people I want to be with,' and I seem to be
acquiering a home as big as the world.

>>Now that you're not working at the Cockring, anymore,
>>whatever that was.

A dark gay bar/disco/excuse for a darkroom that became boring to me.

>>There are lots more choices who would be happy to have you try them
>>out and on.

So I'm told. Wonder what will happen when they find out that I don't
look at all like my photographs... :)

>>In fact, if you could get yourself over here, 

The absolutely biggest problem is called 'the Atlantic Ocean'. The
second one is time. Even if I get myself over there, I wouldn't really
be able to do this like I really want to.

San Fransisco is a given, but I'd love to do New York, Seattle, LA
(LA!  People keep telling me I _must_ 'experience' West Hollywood. Some
say that I must allow vice versa as well), and up until two months
ago, Colorado was on the list. It still is actually.

Wisconsin. Oh yes. Madison to be exact.

I want to meet my homes so bad. So bad.

>>I'm willing to bet that we could find people across the country -- 
>>and into parts of Canada -- who will put you up and feed you
>>and show you around and off, at no cost to yourself beyond
>>the transportation.

>>So this is my question:  Is such a tour in the works?

Mmmmmmmmmmmm....actually...ohhhh, well, there is always a remote
possibility somewhere, isn't there just? I mean, we all can hope, can't
we? That's all I can say for now.

							FJ!!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: The Hate Gene (was Re: Social Democracy)
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:58:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.034058.24485@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <19921108173148ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>>It never ceases to amaze me how the left-wing liberals are ever so eager
>>to distort what has actually been asserted. The effect of Jim Crow laws
>>absolutely did prevent those in the South who wanted to serve blacks and
>>whites in non-discriminatory fashion. 
>
>Junk, you ignorant slut.

Let's see. Mr. Nimble said something you disagreed with, so you
compared him to a promiscuous woman. Isn't that special.

Do you use woman-hating terms whenever you insult a man, or only
when he's gay?

I guess I'm not the only misogynist on soc.motss...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:55:11 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Nov14.163652.21120@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> What *I* want to know, speaking of Van Dykes, is whether
> there is -- oh, I do hope there is -- a lesbian-owned and
> operated trucking company called Van Dykes.

The lesbian removal company
which moved us into this current flat
was called Sister George.
(Sadly, I hear they've gone out of business since.)
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*conche* v.t. to knead and mix (chocolate) during manufacture"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (The Great Gazoo)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.142010.133078@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>  
dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) writes:
> >dude and Chevy Chase as the news anchor - did Tomlin have one where she  
was
> >a little girl and sat in a high chair and said "That's the twuth,
> >pthhhhptht"?  I *know* Tomlin did something with slurred R's!!!)
> 
> You're showing your youth, buckeroo!  Lily Tomlin was Edith Anne on  
Laugh in
> in the late sixties.  *I* of course READ about this in history books...
> 
> :-/

I thought Lily didn't join the Laugh-In cast until 1970...  I wasn't born  
until '72, but faithfully watched the Nick at Nite reruns throughout their  
duration... as I did with The Monkees; Car 54, Where Are You?; and  
Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp.  Damn, I miss those shows...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joe McCombs... but you can call me <mccombj@alleg.edu>...
"I'm still standing, after all this time...
 Picking up the pieces of my life without you on my mind..."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Tom Brokaw, boy idiot
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:27:53 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

The scene: Barry and I, sitting in front of the tube in our living room
tonight, watching NBC Nightly News.  Tom Brokaw interviews Col. Harry
Summers (Ret) on Clinton's stand to remove ban on gays in the military.
Comments are paraphrased.

Summers: It used to be OK in the old days when they were quiet.  Now in
	 these days of 'in your face' they want confrontation all the time.

Brokaw:  Do you think that allowing gays in the military will lead to other
	 ethnic and racial groups to also demand a special place [!!] in the
	 military?  [note: these are very close to his exact words]

Summers: [couldn't hear response for all the angry yelling at the TV].

OK folks: telephone number for NBC is (212) 664-4444.  Let 'em have it.
You may need to be a little persistant.  The first time I called I got
a recording 'this number has been disconnected'.  The second time I got
'your call did not go through'.  I called the New York operator and 
confirmed the number; the third time I finally got through.  They were
evidently getting flooded with calls, which triggered the wierd recording.
If they meant all circuits busy, why didn't they say all circuits busy...?

-- 
Brent Capps                          | Shackles and handcuffs 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)    | and bullwhips that sting
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff) | these are a few of my favorite things
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:58:47 GMT

In article <Bxx8nH.HG7@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>In article <17945@autodesk.COM>, mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>|> I still say he wants slapping around a bit to wipe that impudent smile off
>|> his face;
>
>Kneeling, hands tied behind his back, getting the
>attitude slapped out of him and then fucked like
>the worthless piece of shit that he is.
>

Hmm...  Wonder if that'll be in his new picture book?
Hey, even if it ain't, it's gotta be better than 'Sex'.

-paul


-- 
Paul Hastings    paul@psych.utoronto.ca          545 Dovercourt Road
University of Toronto      416-978-3990          Toronto, Ont.  M6H 2W5
M. Mark: I can teach you to dance with no intoxication.  (yeah, right!)   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:52:16 GMT

In article <69666@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>John Dorrance writes:
>>Hear hear. I've been wondering to myself if George's hystronics
>>could be interpreted as sexist and racist; discussion?
>
>Try looking at it from the perspective of a Bear who's sick and
>tired of being "invisible" in the mainstream gay media -- much
>as many gay people are tired of being nonexistent in the
>mainstream media of this country.
> 
Yep. George is right on this one (right on on this one?). I didn't think his
"hystronics" were sexist and/or racist. There is a "look" that's popular
right now, and Mr.Marky Mark fits it. What it is about body hair and beards
that makes some folks gag?


(xcuse typeos.....just back from ER with broken ankle and lots 'o painkillers).
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Homos at Depth
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:25:14 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


I just returned from a week of SCUBA diving in 
Bonaire - which, for those of you who are not 
Caribbean-island-proficient, is part of the
Netherlands Antilles, located about 16 miles
north of Venezuela.  It's fairly flat and dry
and is surrounded by beautiful coral reefs 
densely inhabited by all types and colors of
tropical fish and eels.

I went with my friends Robert and Raul - Dave
was busy with school - and had a wonderful time.
We didn't do much other than dive, sleep, eat,
and have a few "buddies should help each other out"
sessions and I returned home more relaxed than I
have been in a long time.

What I don't understand is why there aren't more
queers who dive.  It takes some skill and education,
it's faux-butch (you get to strap a big knife to your
calf) and there is lots of paraphenalia to buy - dive
skins, wetsuits, masks, flippers, booties, and a whole
array of dive computers to obsess over.

And it's beautiful and gives you this amazing feeling
of being very far away.  I don't know why I put it 
off for so long.

Motss relevance: I took naked and semi-naked pictures
of Robert and Raul, who have lots of muscles, fur, and
tattoos.  I've got some other photos to send to Steve;
I'll include a shot of Bob's furry butt.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:27:39 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Michael A. Thomas writes:

>  Geez Bob, plaid is out. Paisley perhaps. 

Honey, where *have* you been?  Plaid is the official color of the
Seattle grunge look, quickly becoming oh-so-trendy outside its native
environs.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my CFII.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:45:16 GMT

Regarding the legality of defacing currency, I believe that it is legal as
long as it is not done for the purpose of fraud, theft, etc.  Someone
mentioned that banks pull bills that are defaced, though, which sounds like it
could well be true.


I think that an economic boycott would be a lot more effective than currency
stamping, though.

First, it's more inclusive.  For every gay/les that supports the boycott,
there might well be two or three sympathizers who will as well, but who
wouldn't (for various reasons) pass stamped bills.

Second, money is power.  CO businesses aren't going to give a shit if they get
paid in pink dollars, but they'll raise the roof if they don't get paid *at
all*.

Mike

-- 
--Mike Coleman (coleman@cs.ucla.edu), Lord High Executioner of Anhedonia-----
         It could be worse--you could be bicycling in Florida.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics,co.general,talk.politics.misc,co.politics.amend2.discuss,boulder.general,csu.general
From: wurtz@neocad.com (Tom Wurtz)
Subject: Re: Don't boycott all of Colorado
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:16:02 GMT

taylorje@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (TAYLOR JASON EDMOND) writes:

>having seen that Boulder, Denver, and just about every other major population
>center voted it down,

I have seen this assertion a couple of times and I want to point out that
the reason this legislation passed is that it passed in almost every
suburban county around Denver, Boulder being an exception (I could be
wrong about Adams county). The measure was defeated in Boulder and Denver
cities, but passed in the rest of the Denver metro area. It could never
have passed statewide had this not occurred. Draw your own conclusions
about the makeup of these suburban counties.

t
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:38:59 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov14.001314.24628@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
writes:
|> Yeah, well, if you say so.  And Julliard's role is to teach music, not
|> prepare professional musicians.  Right.  Keep tooting that horn.
|> 
|> I imagine that admissions officers of the graduate programs in the
|> most competitive programs in both the arts and sciences would probably
|> state it somewhat differently.

True.  We are talking about undergraduate programs.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: powell@almira.uucp
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Personal Machine, Columbia, SC
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:37:59 GMT

   Well, Melmothra dear, you can just have Marky. I saw an article
on Entertainment Tonight (while I was sitting at scbear! reading 
soc.motss ) and they did the story on the person who was suing Marky
for assaulting him. Now I looked up, and I generally prefer BEARS, but
this person was so much more good looking. Such pretty eyes. But since
you like Twinks ]:)  and just love the word Tinkerbell, I think you are ,
um, a TWINKerbell.........]:)

Powell

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Xref: sparky soc.motss:48873 soc.bi:15455 alt.homosexual:358
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 05:35:15 CST
From: <U60145@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
Subject: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?

     I was wondering, how many of you have relatives that are also
gay/lesbian/bi?  I myself am bisexual and have an aunt that is lesbian,
and one of my good friends who is gay has a gay uncle.  I seem to meet
alot of people with this same situation.  It just seems to me to bring
the conclusion of genetic choice, not personal choice.
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:21:04 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) shouts:
>
>Well *I* haven't heard it, and I use an electric razor.  Where did
>you hear this?  What did you hear?
>
What do you use the razor for--a hearing aid?
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:43:26 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov13.001758.8642@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu
(Gary Strand) writes:
|>   As Richard Feynmann said, "What do you care what other people think?"

Richard Feynmann may have been a brilliant scientist, but he was also an
unenlightened, sexist, bigoted, egocentric asshole.  Appealing to him as a
spiritual model leaves one more than a little short in the humanity department.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss,co.politics
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Laws, a misunderstanding
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:04:08 GMT

Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: In article <Bxu07p.GF3@fc.sde.hp.com> marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com writes:
: >: As far as the Supreme Court's thinking goes, they have specifically
: >: ruled in one case, that homosexuals were _not_ a protected minority,
: >: and had no greater status in the eyes of the Court than any other
: >: special interest group.
: 
: >Are they then prepared to also strike down laws providing protection on the
: >basis of marital status or religious beliefs?
: 
: I'm not sure I follow this: There is a major difference between laws
: that protect certain groups and laws like Amendment 2, which deny
: protection

I wasn't talking in the context of 2 here, just about the case in which they
"specifically ruled" that homosexuals were "not" a protected minority.  I
(perhaps erroneously) assumed this meant they had struck down a gay rights law
somewhere by saying "homosexuals don't deserve protection".  Once again, you've
alluded to a case without giving details.  Now that you've elaborated on the
literacy test exemption case, I am reasonably satisfied it is not much of a
precedent as it applies to 2, for the very reasons you point out above - there
is a major difference between simply not offering someone protection and
explicitly denying it.  You posted other references to the case you mention
above, but it was very sketchy.  Have you been able to come up with "the rest
of the story" on this one?

--
Amendment 2 - Shame On You, Colorado
--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
--
a disgusted resident of the first state in history of the union
to enact a constitutional amendment that explicitly legalizes discrimination
against a particular minority
--
All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.