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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: Winter Mtg Trades
Organization: Pitzer College
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.044128.2627@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ts@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Ruschak) writes:
>
>	My latest trade: McElroy+Fernandez for Wohlers+Barberie

I take you to mean Tony Fernandez?  Pretty good deal.  Wohlers is a better 
value than McElroy, since Mark has the possibility of a closer role (if the 
oft-rumored trades for Ward or Harvey fail to materialize).  Tony doesn't 
steal like he used to (think that will change with Torborg?) and is a small 
liability at SLG.  If you have enough speed elsewhere, Barberie is a much 
better chance to take.


>	Oh, one more thing. Anyone got any good ways to reward middle relievers?
>Holds are kinda silly, and not readily available... Any ideas?
>
I think you have that covered with ratio.  Good middle relievers get a few 
wins, too.
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Winter Mtg Trades
Summary: what do you think?
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:51:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Renegade Legion, Students of the University of California
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu


At our league winter meetings couple of days ago, I made a few trades.
As background info, I am in a 7 team mixed league, standard roto categories
except for WHIP ratio.  Going in, my goals were to improve my pitching staff
and overall depth, especially in the middle infield/outfield areas.

First, I dealt Delino DeShields and a second round draft choice for Jose
Guzman, Craig Biggio, Hector Villanueva, and a fourth rounder.  I really hated to part with 
Delino, he'll probably hit more HRS and steal about twice as much as Biggio, 
but I got a hopefully decent starter in Jose and mabye Hector will rebound.

Then, I traded Darryl Strawberry for Kevin Tapani, Robby Thompson, and Derek
Bell.  Straw had disappointed me a lot these past 2 years, I was glad to get
rid of him.  I got another starter in Tapani, a solid second baseman in
Thompson, and hopefully Bell will get more playing time next year with
Maldonado and Winfield gone.

After that  I made a 3-way deal where I gave up Pedro Munoz and got Mariano
Duncan.  I needed an extra guy who could play SS and Duncan could play SS,2B
and OF.  Hope his last season wasn't a fluke.

Finally, I traded Mike Schooler for Steve Finley, straight up.  I was just
very anxious to get rid of Schooler- he sucked last year and wont get as many
save opps with Charlton now in Seattle.  Another GM was acquiring relievers
left and right, had a surplus of outfielders and boom- I agreed instantly
when he offered Finley.

What do you fellow GMs think of these trades???  


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Fantasy Baseball Mags
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 10:43:49 GMT

Got some proof that baseball season is really around the corner. Walked
into a 7-11 and in the corner of my eye I saw, TSN's Fantasy Baseball 
Owner's Manual. Drooling, I walked over and picked one up. Get this,
price = $6.95. Whew. Pretty steep for a mag.

The magazine is pretty useless for experienced rotisserie players. There
is nothing we don't already know, but still a must pickup since it is the
first one on the shelves and regardless of how it helps us, it gets the
heart pumping again and is filled with stats and names of baseball players.

Take care.

--Les
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:52:29 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

djcoll04@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Okay, yes I am new to this network and yes I learned a few things in my
>somewhat overzealous defense of Wallach.  Maybe I had I few too many Xmas
no need to get defenseive or anything...i dont' know about others,
 but i look at this as a way to teach and learn. 15 years ago, i would
 blindly believe what announcers told me.  since i started making money
 off of baseball players performances, i've learned to trust myself
 more than almost anyone associated with the game. 

and the reason why most people don't fully subscribe to the "leadership"
 theory is because the season, if someone asks you to show who is
 going to have this "leadership" thing, at the end of the year there
 will be 10 different people who have hte "leadership" tools.  people
 generally use veteran leadership as an ability after the fact...
 i'll agree that pendleton in '91 had an effect on the braves, but it
 think that's the most *drastic* example you'll see; one veteran,
 and tons o' kids.  

i try to keep my harvard sized library down to several books; the 1993
 major and minor league handbooks, and the same for '92.  and my
 morrissey & marr _the severed alliance_, sexual personnae by camille
 paglia, top pop singles, a dictionary and thesaurus, and the 1993
 world almanac.

- bob gaj
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From: v_siede@pavo.concordia.ca (KALDIS, BILL)
Subject: Re: Expo Fans
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.085723.7577@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood) writes...
>In article <1992Dec29.222108.2404@odin.corp.sgi.com> luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
>Right now, Sean Berrky and Frank (?) Bolick are projected as a 3b platoon.
>Spring training will tell the tale. Does anyone actually have projections
>for these guys, BTW?

  Glad to oblige - from the Bill James 1993 Stat Book here are the 
projections for both of these guys.

Player     G   AB   R   H   2B  3B  HR  BI  BB  SO  SB  Avg  OBP  SLG

Berry    138  483  56  120  21   3  11  57  36  97  10 .248 .301 .373
Bolick   141  476  50  117  23   4  21  71  57  99   2 .246 .326 .443


Bill Kaldis
Concordia University
From: stodola@orion.fccc.edu (Robert K. Stodola)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport
Subject: Have league, need software
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:05:16 GMT
Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center

I recently inherited a little league and its computerization.  I am interested
in any software around for registration, scheduling, and assistance in running
a draft.

Please respond via email as I hardly (if ever) read these groups.  Thanks.

-- 

stodola@fccc.edu -- Robert K. Stodola (occasionally) speaks for himself.
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Who are the best pitchers of our generation?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:46:55 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Boo!  

In <Dec.22.21.52.17.1992.18123@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:

>where's the person who supported seaver and palmer?

>i remember there was someone who sent me private email after i said
> something roughly like "clemens is the best pitcher of the past 
> 40 years, including koufax".

>and he mentioned that he thought seaver and palmer were better, among others.

>unfortunately, he didn't want to post here because he thought that 
> people would abuse him, etc.  well, abuse is the wrong word, but you
> know what i mean.

>anyhow, i still think clemens is the best, although i think that seaver
> is better than his "pure" stats indicate.  maybe it's because i'm 
> influenced by that all powerful new york media.

No, no, it's not the New York media.  Seaver, in terms of career value,
really was that good.  As far as I can see, he's the best of the post
WWII pitchers.  The only ones I can see decent arguments for instead of
Seaver are Bob Gibson and Warren Spahn, but those arguments, to me,
aren't even that convincing.

Clemens is a great, great pitcher, and he's certainly established himself
as the equal of, if not better than, Seaver in terms of peak value, but
we better wait before we judge him in terms of career value.

Greg
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mattingly discussion, take 2.
Date: 19 Dec 1992 07:08:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>at worst??  at best??  i think you've got some strange givens here.
'> mattingly is starting too on the downside of his career - i'd
'> say a worst would be 250-260; he has NEVER hit 350, it would be 

	Never say never, Mattingly in 1986 hit .352

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
From: rez@cbnews.cb.att.com (robert.e.zampini)
Subject: Re: Birthdays
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:14:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.190249.2491@u.washington.edu>, sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
> A mess o' Baseball Birthdays
> (Yesterday through the end of my winter holiday)
> 
> Elliott Maddox, 1947

   What a great defensive centerfielder before the knee injury he suffered
   at Shea (the Yanks played at Shea that year) on 6/13/75.  I'll never
   forget a Saturday afternoon game against Detroit when Maddox made the
   first out on a headlong diving catch in shallow right center right off
   the grass.  Then he made the final out of the game...running at full
   speed straight in from center, at the last possible moment he made a
   shoestring catch.  Great arm too, and he hit .303 and .307 in his season
   and a third as the Yankee centerfielder.  Any Yankee fans out there that
   got to see him play (in person) on a regular basis?  

   - Bob Zampini

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 12:14:27 GMT

In the spirit of Christmas/Chanuka/Kwanzaa, the Dodgers have generously
taken Tim Wallach off of the Expos hands in return for a 24-yo AA shortstop,
Tim Barker.

I guess that, given the Dodgers current record with high-paid players,
that $6.8 mill over 2 years for a poor-fielding 35-yo 3B (soon to be 1B)
who hasn't hit .230 in two years, doesn't figure to break 700 OPS for the
rest of career, accounting for expansion fluke stats, is reasonable.

McGwire signed with the A's.  Other than being a year older, they should
substantially be the same team they were last year -- a lot of the players
they lost were liabilities, anyway.  I guess it'll come down to whether
(1) a lot of the good seasons Oakland players had last year were flukes,
(2) whether Moore and Stewart really were playing replacement-level ball
    (and the A's have replacement-level pitchers to take their stead), and 
(3) whether the White Sox continue to make stupid moves to keep themselves
    out of the race, and
(4) whether the Rangers have any pitching this year and if Canseco is
    healthy.


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From: Jerald.Thomas@launchpad.unc.edu (Jerald Thomas)
Subject: Ellis Burks
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:35:09 GMT

News on several Chicago radio stations this morning is that Ellis Burks could
be a member of the Sox pretty soon.

JT




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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:27:13 GMT

In article <2B362FFF.7BF@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>In article <kbanaian.113.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>
>	kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>
>>Thought I'd bring out the numbers here.  These data were printed in the 7/2/
>>92 issue of _Financial World_.  They are for the 1991 season.
>>	Gate	Media	Stad.	Total	Player	Oper.	Oper.
>>Team	Rec.	Rev.	Rev.	Rev.	Costs	Exp.	Inc.
>
>Thanks for doing this. Interesting numbers...
>
>>NYY    $19.4   $61.0   $ 7.4   $90.0   $29.8   $59.6   $30.4
>
>Wow! Who did their TV deal? That's more than for any of the teams broadcast
>by "superstations"...

Gee... where have you been?  This is only one of the biggest topics of
conversations when the owners meet and want to discuss revenue sharing
and increases of the "participation" fees for being the other team in
a broadcast.  This has been going on since the Yankees' celebrated $550
million, 11 year deal with the MSG Network.
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: idiots.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:41:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boo!  
Keywords: Harazin/Cashen DIE DIE DIE

In <1992Dec22.183446.7705@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:

>I don't remember who they traded for O'Brien, but I don't think it was
>much. 

It was Julio Machado and Kevin Brown - not the Texas KB, of course.  

Greg
From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:42:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON

In <1993Jan3.092505.4128@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>But anyway, this brings up the question that I've been meaning to ask
>since I heard about this trade.  Okay, more than one question.

>1) What rational reason is there for choosing a 35 year-old Tim Wallach
>over a 24-year old Dave Hansen, when they put up similar numbers last

Perhaps because Expo FANS who have watched Wallach over the years enjoy
watching him play?  Is this a foreign concept?  Is this too radical?
Can you prove to me that Hansen is better?  When it becomes obvious that
Hansen is better then Wallach should be replaced.  Salaries escalation
is destroying the game.

rm

-- 
Roger Maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:29:42 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <1992Dec21.141105.22778@news.columbia.edu>, hpw@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry P Warren) writes:
|> 
|> > On the other hand, one can note that Wade Boggs has *never* played
|> > spectacularly well outside of Fenway: his stats have been inflated
|> > by the fact that he would consistently (until this year) hit .380
|> > in Boston, but 75 points below that with half as many XBH outside
|> > of Fenway. 
|> 
|> How many other players have hit .380 in Fenway Park? How many players
|> have hit .300+ on the road over the last seven or eight seasons? If
|> Boggs weren't a great hitter, I don't think that he would be able to
|> "inflate" his statistics so much.

I don't think there is any doubt that Boggs has been a great hitter.
He's clearly one of the best over the past few decades in terms of 
getting on base.  But what we (or at least me)  are saying is that
his raw stats are grossly inflated by the park he has been in, and
his particular talents for exploiting the park.  I'd argue that
Tony Gwynn is a better hitter - he's been around .330 hitting in the
Murph, which is a slight pitcher's park (though a good HR park) -
even though Boggs career averages are higher.  

There's nothing wrong with hitting .380 in Fenway.  As you say, nobody
else can do it.  But it doesn't mean that Boggs is a .380 hitter.  Or
really a .350 hitter.   I think that playing in Yankee Stadium, he's
unlikely ever to hit .300 again.
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Expos Clinch! Wallach to Dodgers
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:51:23 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Dec26.005346.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> djcoll04@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>Hey Expos fans, lets be realistic.  The loss of Wallach and Owen leaves us
>with the prospect of a virtually all-rookie infield.

Yes.  So?  

The Expos could sign Mark Belangar and Brooks Robinson to play third
and short.  They could certainly provide veteran defense.  Somehow, I
think Cordero and Bolick/Berry would be better.

  The only real 
>exception is Deshields, who is far from a Gold Glove.

True.  DeShields' great athletic ability has, thus far, not translated
better-than-average defense.  

  The loss of Owen and 
>Wallach runs the risk of running up Dodger-like error totals in the infield.

I doubt it, but even if that's true, why do you care.  If they play better
defense overall, and turn more batted balls into outs (which Cordero will
do better than Owen, and Berry/Bolick will probably do as well as Wallach),
nothing else really matters defensively.  The relationship between not
making errors and playing good defense is pretty weak at the major league
level.

That doesn't make Jose Offerman a good defensive player, of course,
because he just isn't very good at turning batted balls into outs.
But Cordero is no Offerman.

>Don't forget -- the Expos had a better team batting average and (I think) 
>team ERA than the Pirates in '92.

Who care about the Expos' batting average?  What matters is how many runs
the team scores, and batting average doesn't correlate all that well
with that.

The Pirates scored 45 more runs in 1992 than Montreal because they had a
higher OBP and a higher SLG.

  What vaulted Pittsburgh ahead in the last
>two years has been stellar defense.

Not true.  In 1992, the Pirates led the league in runs scored, while
their pitching/defense was only the 3rd best in the league at preventing
runs.  In 1991 the Pirates also finished first in runs, while finishing
second in preventing runs.  Translation:  the Pirates had excellent
pitching/defense, but their offense was what made them the class of
the division.  

>Also, Wallach's offense should not be written off.  His '92 BA wasn't much
>worse than Deshields '91 BA.  Delino came back and so could Tim, despite his
>age.  

Yes, but Delino was 22 and Wallkach is in his mid 30s.;  And Wallach didn't
have just one terrible year, he had two.  (Plus, of course, Delino's '91
wasn't nearly as bad as Wallach's '91 or '92)

         OBP     SLG
D - '91  .347    .332
W - '91  .292    .334
W - '92  .296    .331

Greg 
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From: DONS <DONS@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Which baseball publication is the best one to subscribe to?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:48:10 GMT

In article <4200368@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch) writes:
>>Among the baseball publications: Baseball America, Baseball Digest and
>>Baseball Weekly, which is the best one to subscribe to?  How often are these
>>publications issued in a given year?  What are the attractive features of
>>each publication?  Thanks for the information.
>
>Baseball Digest   =  Trash!  Come on, this doesn't even belong on the list.
>                     Does it?
>
> Saying that Baseball Digest is trash doesn't tell us too much.
  Baseball Digest is _not_ the magazine if you are looking for the
  latest stats or for information to help you with your fantasy
  team. It is a good magazine if you are looking for stories on
  past players, teams, stadius, infields, etc (e.g., "'72 Playoff
  Victory Served as A Springboard for the Reds."

  Not that Baseball Digest ignores current issues in the game,
  just that it is not strong in that area.  As for its statistics,
  you'll find mostly compilations of long term records (e.g.,
  "Pitchers Issuing Fewest / Most Walks Per Season Since 1900."

  Like any magazine (including all three mentioned in the original
  posting)  Baseball Digest is good for some things and useless for
  others.  Baseball nostalgia can be fun, and if that's something
  you're looking for Baseball Digest is worth picking up.
>.
>.Don Soucy

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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Sierra with A's: 5 yrs/$30MM
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:47:01 GMT
Organization: Boo!  

In <20611@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Owners Are Lying Bastards Huckabay) writes:

>But let's take a look at the Oakland A's 1993 lineup:

>1.  Henderson, R.    LF
>2.  Henderson, D.    CF
>3.  Baines, H.       DH
>4.  McGwire, M.      1B
>5.  Sierra, R.       RF
>6.  Steinbach, T.    C
>7.  Blankenship, L.  2B
>8.  Browne, J.       3B
>9.  Bordick, M.      SS

Gary - I keep hearing that Oakland is still really concerned about Dave
Henderson's legs, and that it's quite possible he is finito.  They have
a back-up plan, if I recall, but it's not that impressive.

So you might want to revise that run total downward.

Ya gotta love that As pitching staff, though.  9 lampshades and Eck.

Greg 
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From: griffin@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Sean McGerty)
Subject: Darian Lyndsay - stats needed.
Summary: Can anybody get me stats on a Mets farm pitcher Darian Lyndsay?
Keywords: Darian
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:04:08 GMT

I was wondering....
 
My coach here in Australia where I play triple A ball is a guy 
called Darian Lyndsay and he pitches in the Mets farm teams.
 
As this is quite a feat for an Australian I was wondering if 
somebody may have in one of those massive stat tomes you're 
allways quoting from the stats for him?
 
The entire Grantham Eagles AAA Baseball club would like to know.
 
Thanks,
 
DrBob.
 
AKA
 
Sean McGerty,
Australia.

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:17:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Sierra with A's: 5 yrs/$30MM
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

>Instead,
>they sign Sierra, who's a healthier specimen than Jose, but not quite the
>same caliber of hitter, for more money than it would've cost to keep Canseco.
>Very strange.

Come now, do you really believe that Canseco could have been kept for less.
What with the contracts Bonds and Puckett got (and the one McGwire is likely
to get) it would have been in character for Canseco to whine to Sandy about
renegotiating the remainder of the current contract.  If Sandy goes along
with it then Jose gets more $ than Sierra.  If Sandy refuses then the A's
get a moody player who complains (ala Rickey) and does not give 100%.

I love the pop in Jose's bat, but I really think Sierra is a better fit for
the A's.  He has decent power and average numbers and plays much better D than
Jose.



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