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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Request for lyrics to non-official verse of _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:57:01 GMT

hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com (Holly Hendricks) writes:


>this is one of my favorites - I used to teach it to my kids in
>school - and at Girl Scout camp!

>Twenty years later, Puff arose once more
>He awoke to hear the sound of knocking at his door
>His door it opened wide to show a smiling, shining face
>As little Jackie Junior came to take his father's place
>--
I'm not sure whether the addition is a good idea.  The song as written
always gives me goose bumps because of the line

  A dragon lives forever, but no so little boys

with its subversive equation, growing up = dying.  Of course that is an
incomplete statement of the facts of life, but to complete it successfully
within the song would require the added stanza to be equal in rhetorical
power to that line, and I don't think the one quoted does the job; it
seems to me an anticlimax.  Probably it would be easiest to leave the
song as a tragedy and expect the completion elsewhere.
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From: haley@bluemoon.rn.com (Michael J. Kirschenba)
Subject: Bluegrass Mailing List Subscription.
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:17:54 EDT

Does any one out there have the information necessary to subscribe to
the bluegrass mailing list, or if the powers that be see this, could you
please add me to the list? Any help will definitely be appreciated!
                                            Regards, M. Kirschenbaum
aka: nop2293@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil


** Michael J. Kirschenbaum --- haley@bluemoon.uucp  **

 "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the rights
 of the people by the gradual & silent encroachments of those in power
 than by violent & sudden usurpations." James Madison, Virginia Conv. 1788.
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Diatonics (is this real?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:23:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.gwknj-m.greg
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1825phINNj9p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>
>Someone said they had a Hohner Corona tuned to E-A-D. I perused
>my Hohner catalogs and could only find G-C-F; A-D-G & E(flat)-B
>(flat)-F. I even called Hohner NA up the road in Ashland VA and
>they say they don't make an E-A-D Corona. 
>  Is this a custom box or what?
 
Just 'cause they don't make them now, or don't import them now,
doesn't mean that they never did. Or that they now know that they
ever did.

 
Greg
From: dgolber@aero.org (Dave Golber)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: St. Olaf's Gate: Where is it?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:42:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
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In article <1992Sep1.170626.15651@tamsun.tamu.edu> e343gv@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gary Varner) writes:
>In article <14765@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>>> John Morton writes:
>>> Does anyone know where St. Olaf's Gate is?
>>
>>Most towns in Norway that have more than 30,000 inhabitants have a "St. Olaf's
>>Gate". Bergen has one, and since Bergen is mentioned in the song, it's a
>>possibility. Oslo would be another possibility.
>
>And are these "gates" things that open and close in a wall?
>Is there a religious connotation (Saint)?
>
No, it just means "street".  Pronounced with two syllables: "gah-teh".

Saints don't have any religious connotation any more.  :-)

Dave Golber

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From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Michelle Shocked
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:02:06 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <14956@borg.cs.unc.edu> crittend@cs.unc.edu (bac) writes:

>he could be referring to "Come a long way" which repeats
>"i've gone 500 miles today".  it is also on "Arkansas Traveller".

Does anyone else out there think that that is the best song on the
album, and a complete revelation?

What a great song, to stand out against such a good album.  Wow!

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
Across the evening sky, all the birds are leaving
But how can they know it's time for them to go?		- Sandy Denny
From: HENKLE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU (Doug Henkle, Univ of Wis Oshkosh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield discography
Date: 1 Sep 1992 10:54:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>In article 8457@bmerh85.bnr.ca, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>>
>>Okay, I admit it. I never really got *into* Tubular Bells like my friends
>>did. I do remember hearing some his later albums and enjoying some of
>>them. Does anyone have a complete discography and comments on the type
>>of music on each release and some reccomendations ?
>
>From: decouty@irisa.fr (Bertrand Decouty, AB112, [99 84] 73 46, Atelier)
>
>Yes, there is one (at least). 
>
>I have saved, on 12 July 1990, a nice one from Lazlo Nibble
><lazlo%hydra.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu> i can mail you or post.
>Perhaps a newer one is available at Dave Datta ftp server: vacs.uwp.wisc.ed

     From /pub/music/discog/Index :

File           Date     Artist                          Author
               dd.mm.yy 
=============  ======== =============================== ======================
oldfield       22.10.91 Mike Oldfield                   Lazlo Nibble

     However, use the Music Archives' new address to get the file:

ftp.uwp.edu  (131.210.1.4)

     Or send a request for the file to "datta@ftp.uwp.edu", if you cannot
do an anonymous login.
                                  Doug
                            henkle@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: Help!  Need flower songs for RenFest!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:53:17 GMT

A friend and I just got jobs at the state Renaissance Festival, she selling
flowers, and I selling dried flower garlands.  We were thinking of maybe
learning some "flowery" songs to sing to attract attention.  So far we
have only thought of that song "Who Will Buy?" from the musical _Oliver_,
and we can't remember all the words to that either. :-}  

If anyone would like to suggest anything, please e-mail me with song titles
and the publisher/title of books they may be in, so that I may look them
up.  Thanks!

The Giver Goddess
-- 
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Subject: Guitar info wanted
From: Henry Corcoran <CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 10:38:46 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Hello, I am a novice guitarist and want to purchase a one evetually. I have
many questions: steel vs. nylon strings, 6 vs. 12, new or used, what do I
look for in a guitar, price etc. Since I can most likely afford to own one
guitar, I have to choose wisely. My musical interests are celtic (reels, airs
) and folk that has a lot of finger-picking. If people think this may take up
too much space, e-mail me and I will send a summary to r.m.f. Thanks,
                                                             Henry Corcoran
                                                             Fargo, ND
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From: revans@uspi2.Prime.COM (Robbin Evans)
Subject: Re: Ann Reed ???
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:28:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.165530.16456@coe.montana.edu>, cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski) writes:
> 
> Anyone out there heard of Ann Reed?  She'll be here soon for a concert and I
> would welcome any comments about her.  We tend to get a lot of "unknowns" here
> and I would like to avoid any duds, if possible.  Also, a group named Cafe Noir
> is coming.  Are they any good?
> 

I like Ann Reed's stuff.  Nothing spectacular but mellow and enjoyable to
listen to.  The first time I heard her was at the Michigan Womyn's Music
Festival in 1984.  She's got several albums out (on various different
labels): her latest is "Road of the Heart", which came out last year and
which I may like best.  (I also like "Room and Board", but this may be
out of print and isn't on CD; some of the songs are done live on a newer
CD, maybe "Back and Forth"?)  "Talk to Me" and "Just Can't Stop" are on
Red House Records and may be easier to find.

Anyway, I've seen her live twice and enjoyed both times -- in fact I think
I like her stuff better in concert than on the albums.  I would expect
she would perform solo with guitar, though some of the albums do include
arrangements with horns, banjos, etc.  If the concert isn't too expensive,
I'd say go for it.  And if you hear that she's going to be in the east at
all, I'd love to know!

/Robbin
From: gt3477c@prism.gatech.EDU (Stutzman, Bryan Raymond)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: New Woody/Arlo/Guthrie family album
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:54:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <hhg1-310892064901@132.197.14.85> hhg1@gte.com (Hal German) writes:

>This is Woody's 20 Growing Big Songs. Accompanied with A long-lost song
>book with text and drawings by Woody.

>Overall I was pleased with this album. The mixing of Woody's voice with
>new instrumentals overall was done well. But no credits are given. I am
>real curious who the female vocalists are (Such as Race You Down the
>Mountain, My Dollie, MailMan). 

I don't have the cassette with me (I gave it to my nephew), but I thought
that the credits were inside of the cassette case.  The book is rather 
separate in the sense that it doesn't refer to the recorded music at all.

>I'm curious of others reaction to this work

I loved it.  We listened to it about 10 times during our visit with
my wife's sister and nephew (about 22 months old).  I think that I enjoyed
the music much more than he did.  I can't wait till I have children myself
so that I could have a valid reason to buy my own copy.

Bryan Stutzman
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Songwriters' Covers (was Re: The Dutchman)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:31:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l9q5ufINN8vh@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer) writes:
>
>These are a couple of examples of what I call the "Songwriters' Covers"
>phenomenon -- 
 
I don't really see this as an apt use of the term 'cover.' To me, a "cover"
is when a group tries to play a song in manner which is as close as possible
to the original rendition. You know, everyone's "Stairway to Heaven."
 
When Liam Clancy picks up a song, he generally makes it his own, and if his
rendition isn't superior (though it often is) to the song-writer's, it is
certainly distinct. To me, this isn't a "cover," any more than "Haul Away
Joe" is a cover.
 
Greg
From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The Shetland Sessions
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:04:41 GMT
Organization: Not at St. Andrews University

'The Shetland Sessions' was a series of recordings of performances/interviews
of 1991 Shetland Folk Festival, May I think. The series was broadcast on
Scottish BBC(and I think BBC2) earlier this year. The interviews were very
funny - Aly Bain trying desperately to think of something to say to another
musician...the series gave a very good flavour of the festival except for
the pretty stagey session bits. The music was put out on disk about the same
time as the broadcast and has Aly, Phil Cunningham, Peerie Wille, etc as one
lot of musicians, Willie Hunter(swoon), Danny Thompson's whatever, The Poosies,
the Easy Club, The (abysmal) Companions of the Rosy Hour aka Balham Aligators,
various other Shetland players, etc etc.
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From: jw2b@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Sara J. Wagner)
Subject: Re: Whaling Songs?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:37:43 GMT

In article <Bttw3I.29C@world.std.com> jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes:
>I can't answer your question, but I can lengthen it a little.  Several
>whaling songs are mentioned, and quoted from, in another well-known
>novel, _Captains Courageous_ by Kipling.  One of them, "Wheat in the
>Ear", is pretty impressive in the fragments given, and I have always
>wished to know it, but I can't find it anywhere, despite much trying.
>I wonder if Kipling's notes are extant.

There's a song called "Wheat in the Ear" on an album called National
Geographic Songs & Sounds of the Sea (which also has a lot of whaling
songs on it, come to think).  I don't know anything about the date,
artists, etc. because I just have a tape that a friend gave me.

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From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: Re: Songwriters' Covers (was Re: The Dutchman)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:59:00 GMT

In article <zycnj0l.greg@netcom.com>, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes...
>I don't really see this as an apt use of the term 'cover.' To me, a "cover"
>is when a group tries to play a song in manner which is as close as possible
>to the original rendition. You know, everyone's "Stairway to Heaven."

I think this is an eccentric understanding of what "cover" means.  What you
describe is a clone.  "Cover" is a perfectly respectable, or at least value-
neutral term for a treatment of someone else's song.  

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
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From: skravis@garnet.csis.dit.csiro.au (Simon Kravis)
Subject: Re: Danny Spooner album and Spindlewood questions
Organization: /users/vis/skravis/.organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:59:19 GMT


     A request to those who follow the Australian folk scene a little more
     closely than I can from here.  In March Danny Spooner was promising a
     new album by Easter.  Has anyone seen it?  Also if anyone sees *him*
     send him regards from Morag and Peter. (what a shameless use of the
     net!)

Danny Spooner (and 160-odd other acts) was at the 26th National Folk Festival in Canberra
this Easter, and didn't have any new albums then, though he may have worked on one since.
A  video on the 26th NFF (from SBS Television) should be available before too long, and a 
special program on it should also be going to air. Watch this space for details ! 

    Second the group Spindlewood.  I have their CD "Face the Wind" and find
    myself liking it almost despite myself.  Its somewhat new age
    tendencies would normally keep it off my CD player but there's a lot
    to like here.  Anyway what can people tell me about them.  Are they
    Canberra based or was the recording venue a coincidence?

Spindlewood are indeed Canberra-based, have been going for about 4 years and 
have an earlier LP out as well, though I suspect it's not as well distributed.
They have a good following in Canberra and, unlike many bands, know how to promote
themselves.

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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Dutchman
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:25:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug28.152527.27718
Organization: Western Washington University


Makem and Clancy also sing The Dutchman on "The Makem and Clancy
COncert" (live, of course).

Josh White Jr sings it on "Sing a Rainbow."

Lyrics and chords appear in the book "Rise Up Singing," from SING OUT!
magazine.

By the way, Michael Smith also wrote "Spoon River," which has been
recorded by Steve Goodman and many others.
From: Rudy.Zalesak@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rudy Zalesak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Can someone tell me about "The Roches".
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:58:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I thought "Kid Fears" was a song by the Indigo Girls -- is
there also a roches song by that title?

-- Rudy Zalesak

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From: daphne@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Amy Kruse)
Subject: Re: John Gorka: Temporary Road
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:03:03 GMT

In article <ladd0tINNesa@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> sebring@daehall7.Eng.Sun.COM (Nancy Howes) writes:
>
>Well....
>John Gorka's Temporary Road has been out for over a week 
>now and noone has posted anything yet, so I thought I would
>throw in my thoughts about it. 
>
>It's really great! As good as his previous stuff and as always, the 
>more you listen the more you fall...
>
>It has true Gorka lyrics such as:
>
>"There's two things I know well", he says.
>"The ways that I hurt and all of the ways to hell"
>
>From a true Gorkhead, 
>
>-Nancy 

Amen sister!  It is a great album, I have just been too dazed to write in. 
Thanks for starting the brin again.  In light of the upcoming election I 
really like the song "Brown Shirts."   Very interesting.  Overall a great
piece of work, excellent vocals, music.  Very cool.  I would have to say a
great buy for anyone that likes Gorka, and anyone who hasn't heard him.

Amy
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From: e343gv@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gary Varner)
Subject: Re: St. Olaf's Gate: Where is it?
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:06:26 GMT

In article <14765@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>> John Morton writes:
>> Does anyone know where St. Olaf's Gate is?
>
>Most towns in Norway that have more than 30,000 inhabitants have a "St. Olaf's
>Gate". Bergen has one, and since Bergen is mentioned in the song, it's a
>possibility. Oslo would be another possibility.

And are these "gates" things that open and close in a wall?
Is there a religious connotation (Saint)?

 
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From: kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Kevin Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Scartaglen
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:51:32 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

 
Could someone post a short bio about the Kansas City group Scartaglen? 
They were at the Winnipeg Folk Festival recently and I was quite 
impressed by them.
 
KS

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From: putz@parc.xerox.com (Steve Putz)
Subject: looking for the authors of these songs
Reply-To: putz@parc.xerox.com (Steve Putz)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:13:58 GMT

I've recently discovered the guitar and lyrics archives on
ftp.nevada.edu and ftp.uwp.edu.  That motivated me to dig out my 150
song files and submit them to the archives.

However there are several songs for which I do not know the author.  I'd
like to credit them correctly.  Several are probably "traditional".  I
have included first lines and in some cases an artist who performs it.

Please email me if you know who wrote any of the following songs:

Acres of Clams	(I've traveled all over this country...) 	[Pete Seeger]
All-e-Oxen Free	(Time to let the rain fall...)	[Kingston Trio? John Denver?]
Battle of New Orleans (In 1814 we took a little trip...)
Don't Go Down to the Quarry (in the middle of the night...) [Peter, Paul
& Mary]
Eddystone Light	(My father was the keeper of the...)		[Kingston Trio?]
Everyday (its a getting closer...)		[Reilly & Maloney; James Taylor]
Green, Green (it's green they say on the far side of the hill...)
[Kingston Trio?]
A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (Where have you been my blue-eyed son?)
		[Pete Seeger; Bob Dylan?]
How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away (I've talked to your
mother...)
I'm My Own Grandpa	(It was many many years ago when I was 23...)
Jamaica Farewell	(Down the way where the night's are gay...)
Jim Dog		(Every time I go downtown, somebody kicks my dog around...)
Lemon Tree (very pretty, and the lemon flower is sweet)	[Peter, Paul &
Mary]
Long Chain On	(One night as I lay on my pillow...)	[Peter, Paul & Mary]
Maria		(Way out west the have a name...)
Music Speaks Louder than Words (it's the only thing that...) [Peter,
Paul & Mary]
There Ain't No Mountains in the State of Kansas (...)	[Reilly &
Maloney]
Once I Had a Sweetheart (and now I have none...)
Portland Town	(I was born in Portland Town...)		[Joan Baez]
Spanish Pipe Dream	(She was a level headed dancer...)	[Steve Seskin]
Such Is Love		(After all I've come to know me...) [Peter, Paul & Mary]
That's the Way That the World Goes 'Round (I was sitting in the
bathtub...)
		[Reilly & Maloney]
Today		(Today while the blossoms still cling to the vine...)
We'll Sing in the Sunshine (we'll laugh every day...)
Who Killed Davy More (how come he died and what's the reason for...)
[Pete Seeger]
Will the Circle be Unbroken	(I was standing by my window...)
Would You Like To Learn to Dance? (well I can show you how...)	[Mary
Travers]
Wounded Bird	(I watched you go through changes...)		[Steve Seskin]
Wynken, Blynken and Nod (one night sailed off in a wooden shoe...)

-- 
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Xerox Palo Alto Research Center
Palo Alto, California
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