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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:44:54 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Siskel & Ebert

Sigh.  I liked them better when they were not big and famous and it
went to their heads.  Remember back to days when they appeared on PBS
with "Spot the wonder dog" for the dogs of the week.  Remember when
they use to do "Guility Pleasures" selections, and pick movies that they
knew were "bad" or the real B-Z grade pictures, that they admitted they
liked.  I felt back then, that these were "movie critics" that actuallyt
liked the movies.  And not the critic types that feel it is their job
to criticise everything that comes out of the cinema.  Sigh I guess
sucess will do that to you.

Still watch their show, cause at least they show enough of the clips
and give the premise enough for me do decide if I want to see the movie.

Carol Doms
Univ of MO-Kansas City
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From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      MLA

Michael, I'll be at MLA too, though I too would like to have happier
news about interviews...  I'll try to make some of the Joyce stuff,
and I'll look for you there.  Do you know Christy Burns?  I think
she's reading a paper.

I'll be chairing a panel on <<guess what>> translation.  Should be good.
Any suggestions for good panels on movies?

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Subject:      Laserdisc player

Jeff,
   I'll keep my money for the time being.

Jim

PS  I'm off to a place they don't show movies, back Jan. 5
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:49:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jacquie and Awakenings

I had no real problems with Robin Williams in Awakenings. In
fact, I commend him for underplaying but it's not his natural
style, and I saw the strain. As for Dead Poets Society, he had
frequent forays into schtickland. His best dramatic performance,
I think, was in The World According to Garp. But his best role
is in Aladdin. He has a personality perfect for animation.
                                                          Rolando
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:06:48 CST
From:         Leah Krevit <lkrevit@BITE.DB.UTH.TMC.EDU>
Subject:      sightings

K

Sighting #1:

Kenneth Branagh is scheduled to appear on _the Tonight Show_ tonight.

Sighting #2:

Louis Malle is interviewed briefly in _NY Times_ today regarding the new
rating for _Damage_. He is <not> a happy camper.

ciao,



Leah
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:03:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Greetings

Merry Christmas to all! I'll be around to keep you company, Becky
and whoever else is working over the holidays.
                                              Rolando
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:51:42 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Holiday wishes & a self-made Santa...

Like others among us, I'll be signing out till Jan. 4th.  Our university
literally closes down tomorrow till after New Years; that's the compensa-
tion we get for not getting a number of individual holidays during the
year.

So here's wishing everyone the best in the spirit of the season. For me,
Santa came a bit early even if I had to pay him myself.  On my doorstep
last night, I found the new disc releases of "Adventures of Baron Muchhausen"
and "Godfather Triloy, 1901-1980."  Ooh-boy! I can hardly wait to view them
in toto (the transfer of "Muchhausen" is *fantastic*, a Criterion all-time
great), but that will have to wait till after I return from visiting relatives
and friends.  Anything of interest to report, just like Arnie, I'll be back on
this subject.

Again, have a great holiday season!

Jeff Clark
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Subject: Recasting "Rocky Horror"
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:38:26 GMT

You know, I was sitting around at work today, and got this really, REALLY
odd idea.  (I think working here is beginning to fry my brain).  I thought
of recasting "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" with some fairly big actors
from today.  Here's what I've come up with so far.  Please, post your own
ideas so I don't feel like I should be institutionalized!
Frank 'n Furter:  Hugh Laurie
Magenta: Joan Cusak
Riff Raff: Danny De Vito
Janet: Emma Thompson
Rocky: Dolph Lundgren
Anyone else got any more ideas for casting?
As always,
Your obedient servant,
Gabrielle de Lioncourt
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:01:44 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject:      1992 Ebert Guide

I don't remember who had the problems with sources being incorrect
in Ebert's Book, but you could send him the updated information at..

Name:         Roger Ebert
Organization: Buena Vista Tel
City:         Chicago
State:        IL
Country:      US
E-Mail:       300-2342@mcimail.com
Source:       mcimail
Ident:        300-2342
Last Updated: unknown

(I believe this is correct, but no I have not tried this)
--
-scott
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:57:35 EST
From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: great elevator scenes

> The best elevator scene I recall was the final scene of JACK THE RIPPER,
> the old Hammer classic in b/w.  As you may or may not remember, Jack was
> riding on top of one elevator while the Scotland Yard detectives were
> coming down in another.  Evidently, both elevators used the same shaft,
> because when Jack's elevator reached the bottom floor, the other elevator
> kept coming down with the unhappy result (unhappy for Jack, that is)
> that the inspectors were soon standing in a seeping pool of blood.
> Well, you had to be there, I guess.
>
> j-man
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    Okay,  I'll throw this in as a great elevator scene.  How about
the scene(s) from _The Man with Two Brains_.  Especially the scenes
where the elevator either stops short of the floor or just passes the
floor.  Also the scene with Merv Griffin (sp?).  Funny stuff.


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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:10:50 EST
From: <RICHARD@auvm.american.edu>
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Subject: Recommendation Wanted for Adults & Kids

Can anyone recommend something now showing at theaters which wouldn't
be too boring or stupid for adults but not above a 10 and 12 year old?

Thanks,
Richard
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:24:40 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Leap of Faith

Just saw _Leap of Faith_ the new Steve Martin movie, enjoyed it very
much and would recommend it to folks.  I don't think I'm spoiling any
thing by stating that Steve plays a con man, and his handle is playing
the tent revival meetings.  The gags he uses are straight out of the
books the "Amazing Randi" writes about the various frauds used in cons.

This is not a straight out comedy.  But if you like some of Steve's works
and like a movie that is a "little different", go and see this movie.
I need to go back and look at the credits to see who wrote this, cause
he/she deserves an Oscar nomination for the screenplay.  If anyone
else has seen this, I would love to discuss it.

Carol Doms
Univ of MO-Kansas City
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:27:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Awakenings

The Two J's(J-man, Joe),
    Awakenings was indeed heartrending. But it's in my nature
to think that I haven't seen the perfect movie yet so I have
to pick on something. I had a bit of a problem with Robin Williams'
performance. I got tired of him smiling and acting sincere. I also
felt that in his noble attempt to underplay(a method of acting unfa-
miliar to him), I thought the strain showed. But it's nice to see
him get away from doing schtick.
                                                Rolando
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:14:06 -0500
From:         SKR2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Actors and Their Words

Ten things you'll never hear an actor say...

*Don't send a limo--I like to drive.
*This dressing room is too big.
*I like to stand in for myself.
*Tell my agent I'll call him back after the scene's finished.
*I'm sorry I kept you waiting.
*This scene is actor-proof.
*This joke is great, but my character would never say it. Give it to...
*I don't care who gets the credit.
*Forget about my close-up. I thought it played great in the master.
*You know, we really are paid too much.

From:
Stewart A. Lyons, Premiere, January 1993
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:10:33 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Books on Movies

I am currently reading "The Devil's Candy", which is about how the movie
"Bonfire of the Vanities" got messed up.  One of those "Truth
iss
stranger than fiction, (and funnier) type books.  (Sorry about the
garbage online).  I also have Roger Corman's book, "How I made a Hundred
Movies in Hollywood and Never lost a Dime."  lined up next for reading.


Does anyone have an interesting or good book on movie(s), actor(s) or
director(s) that they have enjoyed, and wouldn't mind sharing on Cinema-l?

Carol Doms
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:32:04 EST
From:         Dennis Downes <DENNISD@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Toys

I love watching movies. I very much enjoy this list. However, as soon as
you mention Siskel and Ebert, I am compelled to point out my personal
opion on these two and movie critics in general.  There DORKS! Some how
I just can't respect anyone whos job it is to sit around and watch movies
and then try to pedal the great significance of it all to me! When all is
said and done, movies are entertainment, be it a seven Academy Award winner
or Pee Wee Herman. Sure we love some more than others, and some are plain
trash, but when I hear or read some critics going on with thier pious opions
about how bad a movie is with out taken into consideration that a movie may
be watched for fun, for relaxation, or just to kill 2 hours, I am reminded
of athletes crying how tough it is to get paid to play games. I will now get
down off my own personal soap box. Thank you; I feel much better.

                                                                 dennis
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:47:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Leah and The Miracle

Sorry, haven't seen it yet. I can't wait to check it out on
video. The Crying Game restored my faith in Neil Jordan who has
been erratic since Mona Lisa.
                                                 Rolando
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From:         Fergus Bartley <eeifby@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Unsubscribe

Please Sign me off the List Please
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:58:33 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Brother's Keeper

Michael McDonald, as you saw, Scott generously provided the basic info
on _Brother's Keeper_.  Incidentally, I think the title is just that, as
opposed to MY BK.  At least that's how I remember the titles in the
film itself.  No My.  Just . . .   Brother's Keeper.

Some very clever documentary techniques, I thought, and very skillful
means of pulling the audience in a particular way.  I mean, these rural
farmers are *way* out there, and I'm speaking as one who dealt regularly
with rural Ozark types for a decade or so.  So what do the directors do?
I think they intentionally highlighted the weirdness, the strangeness,
etc. and moved toward some understanding, empathy.  On the other hand,
the city types come off as shallow, self-serving, out-of-touch lying
bastards.  By the time they appear in the movie, the unflinching look at
these yokels in upstate NY has managed to go from "Check out these primitives"
to something fairer about the community as a whole.  The docu-guys were
smart enough to use (and lucky enough to find) a surprisngly articulate
farmer who had known the brothers all their lives.  Helluvaflick, I thought.

oop, gotta go.  Anyone going to MLA to enjoy the holidays?  Heh.

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Joe:

Didn't Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast predate The Hunchback of Notre Dame?

Ellen
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:41:22 -0500
From:         David M Stein <STEIN@LTUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Film for Adult and Kid

Richard,

  I'd have to recommend "Aladdin" as a film that both adults and
kids would like without boring or causing insulin attack.

Dave
Stein
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:47:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Hoffa

The best way to describe Danny de Vito's direction of Hoffa is
is that he does a good Richard Attenborough - Hoffa is long,
reverential, ponderous and dull. De Vito also manages the improbable
- he elicits a boring performance from Jack Nicholson. Nicholson
marches from one crowd scene to another, blaring out long Mamet speech
after another, and offering very little insight into Hoffa's character.
Part of the blame has to go to David Mamet's turgid, semi-coherent
script. The movie is handsomely mounted, but De Vito's stylized
direction clashes with the movie's realistic ambitions. Hoffa is one
of the year's turkeys
                                               Rolando
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Date:         Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:04:39 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Leap of Faith

Mary - thanks for your comments.  Spolier alert for anyone on the list
(save this, go see the movie, then come back to this :) :).


















Hope this is enough.

I'm not surprised that critics hated the ending.  I think if this was
a typical hollywood ending, it would have been a more cynical ending.
The kid would have still been a cripple, and there would be no such
thing as the "Genuine article" as Steve puts it.  I liked the ending
a charltan who can't compete with the real thing skips town.  The
other ending they could have come up with is Steve "converting".

Yes, I thought Steve was great, but I bet since, they don't know what
to think of this movie and religion makes people uncomfortable, that
he will get by passed. (For shame).

Debra and Liam were great.  Liam could use a few more roles like this.
It was also nice to see "Meat Loaf" again, in the minor role as driver,
keyboardist.

Also, for those who says it attacks religion either did not see the movie
or did not see the same movie we saw.  Yes, there are con men who use
"name of the Lord" for a quick buck.  But I don't think that it implies
that all tent preachers are con men.  Thats generalizing, which gets
folks into all sorts of trouble :) :)

Looking forward to more comments on this movie.

Carol Doms
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:51:46 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Awakenings

>The Two J's(J-man, Joe),
>    Awakenings was indeed heartrending. But it's in my nature
>to think that I haven't seen the perfect movie yet so I have
>to pick on something. I had a bit of a problem with Robin Williams'
>performance. I got tired of him smiling and acting sincere. I also
>felt that in his noble attempt to underplay(a method of acting unfa-
>miliar to him), I thought the strain showed. But it's nice to see
>him get away from doing schtick.
>                                                Rolando
>

Can't agree with you here Rolando,
I thought Robin Williams was brilliant.
IMHO.

Joe
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From:         Steven Feldman <AR402004@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Oliver Stone's contact address?

>Subject:      Re: Oliver Stone's contact address?
>Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:09:17 -0400
>From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
>
>>Can anyone point me in the direction
>>of a mailing address for Oliver Stone?
>
>Impaled stem to stern on a red-hot rotisserie in hell,
>if this were a just universe. But alas...

     Yeah, well, that's real cute and all, but I really *would* like a
for-real answer.
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:17:43 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Crying Game

Like the others so far on this list, I thought Crying Game was terrific.
I think, though, that Rolando was right on target with the unsettling
pace of the first part.  I saw this one "cold"-- no knowledge of
reviews, nothing.  I didn't think it was slow, which I think Rolando
thought?  It's just that I was beginning to think it was a variation
of the thriller-espionage genre, one which explores the humanity of
those involved.  Sort of a Blade Runner from a "terrorist's" point ov
of view.  Well, I was wrong about that.  But, Rolando, didn't you think
it actually moved *too* fast at the beginning, until you knew what it
was about?  (after which it all made sense)

I have to keep this vague to keep from spoiling it...  Another minor
kvetch:  could a terrorist be that... vulnerable, wavering, etc.?  But then,
I guess he was part of a minor, sort of splinter group, one which might
take despaerate, daring moves without having moved up through ranks...
Enough of that.  But was it postmodern?  Or charlatan?  ;)

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C47805NF@WUVMD      |  If you happen to have any, you fling them into the
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:05:44 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Seasons Greetings

I'm taking a two-week hiatus for the holidy.  Since I won't be receiving
mail for awhilI'd like to take this opportunity to wish everyone an
an exceptionally merry christmas and a happy, prosperous new year.

May 1993 bring to us all a surfeit of splendidly entertaining,
provocative new films to discuss-- films that will approach even Rolando's
high standards for the cinematic art.  Best wishes to all.

j-man
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Subject:      Ebert guide

Actually, I sent him corrections last year and they were all
incorporated into this year's edition.  But he added a lot of
new sources, using (how??) outdated information.

Jim Thompson
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