From: msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis)
Subject: Re: Continuation on CYPRUS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:23:44 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>>>>M.Syrimis: Very disappointed
>>
>>>B.Erin: What are you disappointed about ?
>>
>>>The fact that you HAVE NO CHANCE of getting North Cyprus back unless you
>>>start behaving right ?!!!!
>>
>>
>>My disappointment had to do with the impression I had about you.
>>In the past you were projecting your self as willing to 
>>discuss the real issues, putting aside phanatism and 
>>pseudo patriotism.   

>People like you have deteriorated my good-willing thinking about 
>a possible improvement of the situation in Cyprus.
>I tried but my tries were in vain.

It's nice hearing from a third person that other people share
the same opinion as myself. So your comments sounds like
a compliment to me, thanks.

>Instead of sincere replies I observed ignorant and arrogant Greek/Greek
>Cypriot attitudes. 

I haven't seen or heard many such attitudes in the time I have 
been following this new group.
On the other hand, I believe you are using this just as an argument
so that you are avoiding the real issues in conversations.

>Unless there are grass roots changes in the attitudes of most(not all) Greek
>Cypriots, a solution in Cyprus is impossible. 

If by "grass roots changes" you mean forgetting everything that we have
left behind in the occupied areas, and which are now illegally 
possessed by either Turkish Cypriots or Turkish settlers then I
hope a solution stays impossible.

Since by nature I am a very patient person, me and the others like
me , the ones that have deteriorated your good willing..., can wait
for some grass root changes in people of your community.  Some such
changes are already occuring:  Have you heard of the Turkish Cypriot 
doctor who has made a case to the european court because he was not 
allowed by Denktash to attend a professional meeting in Nicosia.

Maybe soon, more of your people will realize that you can't take people
homes, land, and lives by force, and expect them to sign the
papers that will make the theft legal and permanent.

And just for the sake of conversation what do you think should 
change by either side in order for a solution to be possible?


>>As for OUR CHANCES of getting our COUNTRY back from your loving,
>>and caressing alies (you see you are not the ones who have it now), just
>>have the following CYPRIOT saying in mind:
> 
>>
>>"Ev' va girisei n pita me to meli, tjai tha tnv fate dixws meli"

>I don't know Greek nor have I heard this expression before so it's 
>NOT and CANNOT BE Cypriot. It's only Greek Cypriot. 

So it is 80% CYPRIOT then.

>>" The pie with the honey may flip over, and then you'll have to eat it
>>without honey"

>I hope NOT.

A common thing that folk sayings have is that they prove to  
apply beyond the boundaries of their country of origin.
So hoping is NOT enough.

>Besime Erin

>P.S and a Note to Ispirtorakisi(i.e. Spiros), I LOVE using Caps.
p.s. mind telling us what's the joke the name you and another
persong keeps using for Spiros?
Greeks LOVE JOKES.
-- 
Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign

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