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From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:31:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>
>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
>doesn't fit my experiences. China has more than 1000 colleges and 
>universities, majority of whom should have a swimming pool just to 
>support the phyisical education classes. Most cities have more than
>5 swimming pools for public uses ( I know Lanzhou does and There are
>more than 30 cities at the same level as Lanzhou). The author was 
>full of ignorance and prejudice in the article. It's a typical cold
>war mentality kind of article. It claims that the Chinese athletes
>are state-sponsored while forgetting the U.S athletes are privately
>sponsored. The only difference is the source of sponsorship while
>the fundamental objective and results are the same. It claims the 
>kids are taken away from  their parents (forced) while the truth of
>the matter is that in almost all the cases the parents AND the kids
>willingly want the organized training. It claims that the athlets
>are illiterate where as the matter of the fact is that the atheletes
>still have regular grade school classes and they are no less illiterate
>than their U.S. counterpart.
>
>Anyway, I think its a shame that a magazine like Time would publish
>pieces of crap like this. All concerned should write to Time to 
>correct this not-so-negligible error. 
>
>More comments are welcome! 
>No Flames, please!
>:wq
>
I haven't read the article. But can you post the address and phone
of Time. I'll express my most outrageous response after I check out the
article. My grandma was a basketball coach, my two uncles both
came out of the amateur athletic school (Ye4 Yu2 Ti3 Xiao4).
Are they illiterate? They both graduated from college finally.
Bottom line: people who attended athletic school live a better life
than average people, no matter whether they succeeded or failed in
athletic competitions later.
From: txu@lab1.ma.utexas.edu (Tao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: The Third Olympics Gold Medal
Summary: Olymipics
Keywords: Olympics
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:36:37 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

From Newsgroup rec.sport.olympics, I found china won her third gold medal.
I guess judo player won it. Congratulations!

By the way, where can I get news from CND directly? Thank for any help!

Tao Xu
From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:56:02 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Jul27.024420.17671@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
|> I read this from World Journal: Why Chines won the Champaign Math
|> Olympic? because they spent 365 days a year in math. Well for a loser,
|> there is always something to say.
|> 
|> Tingli Pan

If it was true (very likely), I would feel sorry for those kids. They would
have missed one of the best time of their lives.

-- 
H.J.
Gcc/libc maintainer for Linux.
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Steroid (and more)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:08:24 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul29.103411.17912@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, huangzh@bronze.ucs.i
ndiana.edu (Andy Huang) writes:
(stuff deleted)

it seems to me a little bit silly to be so angry over this whole
blow-ha-ha. a medal is a medal. until proven taking drugs, they
remain champions. even ben johnson kept his gold medal for several
days. as for american media, they've been known for their hypocricies.
a prime example is american football. the wide spread use of drugs
is a common knowledge for years. not until one or two
famous formal stars are dying, the media is usually hush-hush.
the bottom line is people enjoy the sport (including me). in this
case, i rooted for those chinese girls and am happy for their
medals. i believe there are some chinese athletes taking drugs. so
are some americans and athletes from other countries. unless
htere is a major changing of rules concerning drug testing, i guess
this is the way of life. forget about what the commentators say.
just grab a beer and stretch your legs and enjoy the game.
From: theo@tubprz.prz.tu-berlin.de (Teodor Pirkmayer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Traditional Chinese Medicine
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:11:26 GMT
Organization: TU-Berlin TUBKOM, Germany

Hi everybody,

I am posting the following article for a friend of mine.
She is interested in Traditional Chinese Medicine (acupuncture, acupressure,
moxibustion, qigong, etc...) and would like to learn more about these
topics. She is looking for :

- Literature ( english or german )
- Training Centers and Courses ( in Germany, China, or other fareast countries).
- Any other information about Traditional Chineses Medicine

Please post email-answers to :

theo@tubprz.prz.tu-berlin.de

or papermail to :

Helene Koeroesy
Weigangufer 17
1000 Berlin 44
Germany

Thank you in advance,

Theo Pirkmayer
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:57:36 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Jul30.205710.23812@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.191404.5848@> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>Having seen too much nonsense about the training system for athletes, 
>>I can't help asking one simple question: how can China make a show by 
>>using other system, under the circumstances that it is a poor country 
>>with 1.2 million people?
>>
>>Find a solution before you complain.
>....
>>I feel sorry for both of you in some sense: you can't get the gold 
>>apples with your bare minds.
>>
>>PS: Being proud blindly is as unreasonable as blaming aimlessly.
>
>Zhiqi, please don't get me wrong. I am very happy for the Chinese
>athletes to win all the metals and I wish them all the best! However
>I also hope, one day, the Chinese athletes would compete with 
>athletes from other countries on equal ground and then I will be
>easier to jump and be proud.  

I see.

For me, the "on equal ground" means that China is as strong as America,
while ordinary chinese have access to the same kinds of sport 
facilities in daily life. You and I will never get this chance of "jump,"
I bet.

:-(
From: liu@cs.ucsd.edu (Hai-Ning Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:40:18 GMT


Three weeks ago, I rented a 1992 Tempo from Hertz Rental.
It only had 7K miles on it but the enginee is already noisy.
It is much less comfortable than my friend's 84 Honda Accod.
Overall, it's a so-so car.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:01:48 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul29.204951.13779@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
|> In article <2823@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul28.031851.4915@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
|> >|> In article <2814@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >|> >In article <1992Jul27.135316.9138@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
|> >
|> >Can't a body builder go to run or swim and get a medal? 
|> 
|> No, absolutely not.  A body builder and a Chinese national
|> team veteran joined our college team in the same year.
|> People who don't know swimming would point to the musculine body
|> builder and ask "Is he the national team veteran?"  The
|> national team veteran, a breast-stroke swimmer (1'12" 100M)
|> was actually a very skinny guy.  The body builder was a very
|> slow swimmer no matter how hard he tried.  He was just hanging
|> out with the swimmers to have fun.
|> 
|> I watched the men`s
|> 4x100 free relay with a group of people today.  They all
|> laughed at the US swimmers when seeing their thin waists
|> with ribs showing, like ants.

So? That didn't prove that a body builder cannot run or swim and get a medal.

Lin Can
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From: qw@isr.harvard.edu (Qinqin Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:44:28 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

Test
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Yi Shu's Books (Was Re: San Mao & Qiong Yao's Books)
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:37:49 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <1992Jul31.031407.2008@burrhus.harvard.edu> (31 Jul 92)
Qinqin Wang writes,

> I especially want to say hello to this person who can appreciate Yi Shu's
> books, as I am a big fan of her.  ...  Her books taught me how to enjoy
> the daily life even in the face of sadness, loneliness and disappointment.
> Great writer to me, indeed.

So who is this Yi Shu, what are the Chinese characters of her name/pen-name?
And what she has written?  Anyone cares to give us out-moded older netters
an introduction?

    It is said Qiong Yao and San Mao have numerous Chinese teenager fans,
especially among girls.  Unfortunately I have never read any of their books.
When I was a highschooler (more precisely, a highschool dropout :-), their
books were not available.  When their books began to invade into the mainland,
I totally lost my interests in novels :-).

    Don't know how it happened, maybe due to my devastating read of "Dream
in the Red Chambers" :-).  I managed to finish it with a persistence rival
to that of Mr. Tan Liang-de, our diving veteran who earned my great respect.

> I really enjoy the discussion on literature. It would be great if you
> guys could recommend your most favourite writers or books.

    I remember Maugham once wrote an essay to sell the "top 10" novels of
the world.  I mean "sell," literally, because the purpose of this essay
was to help a publishing house to sell those books.  But the essay is well
thought and the chosen novels are my favourite.

    Sorry, Maugham didn't mention any Chinese name.  Guess Lu Xun was right,
"Don't read Chinese book" :-).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: renjian@leopard.rice.edu (Renjian Lu)
Subject: none
Organization: Civil Engineering Department - Rice University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:11:32 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:47:49 GMT

In the last paragraph of this article it says that the bonus of Olympic	 
medalist is $3,700, which is the 25 years salary of a worker. That means
a worker's monthly income is $11. How ignorant the author is! 

More and more facts convinced me that American media are no less tricky
and misleading than Chinese ones. They undermine everything that they
think is not good for them. What is wrong with early age athletic training?
It is simply a miracle that Chinese can perform so well in some sports
considering the poor facilities they have. Are they jealous? 

An American teenager told me he hate Asians because they are too competent 	
in academy. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal)
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:16:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.012550.2673@objy.com> cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>
>Drug testing is religiously followed in Olympics.  Today's Wall Stree Journal

What you probably don't know is that the research has been under way to make 
steroid-taking undetectable. I personally know somebody who participated in
such a research.

As pointed out, the use of the steroid is common in the sport ring and it
does sever harm to the health of athletes in the long run. People usually 
do not risk their health unless there is a bonus deemed to be worth taking 
chances.
___
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:21:39 GMT

	Before this topic is going too far, should we wonder if this is 
just a careless typo by the magzine?


    Eddie
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:52:54 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu) writes:
|> 
|> 	Hello netters :
|> 	  I kept on reading articles in this news group about Olympic
|> 	  games. A lot of complaints, a lot of unsatisfactions on 
|> 	  how NBC reported the games on TV. 
|> 	  Who care it ?
|> 	  Who care what you think about their reports ?
|> 	  Here is America, not China. 

You mean in China people care what you think? Surely if you don't think
"along the right track", they would put you in jail.  (No flame please.)

|>        Americans only are interested in
|> 	  their victories in Olympic games. Why should they spend time
|> 	  watching other countries' victories in the games ?
|> 	  Nobody invites you to come here. You can see what you want
|> 	  to see about the Olympic games on TV in your (our) own
|> 	  country. Why are you(we) here in America ?
|> 	  Americans --- the people of this country have right to see
|> 	  what they want to see on TV in their own country.
|> 	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.
|> 
|> 
|> 	  I pray for the victories of China Olympic team.

They are entitled to see what they want to see but they are not entitled
to smear atheletes from other countries.

The poor attitudes are also reflected from these US basketball players,
they don't show respects to the opponents in the news conference. 

Where is the "Olympic Spirit"?

Lin Can
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20798 soc.culture.soviet:6273
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (keeping China communist 100 years!)
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:12:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <14jh9sINN8mf@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>Well, in order to destroy the Old China, the communists need to destroy
>all living memory of Chinese culture. 

The Chinese Communists have largely given up trying to do this.  The
problem is that they don't seem to have anything better to offer
people than Old China does, so they've given up trying.

>Yes, but his great work of destroying thousands of years of Chinese
>cultural development and erasing thousands of years of Chinese history 
>is still only partly accomplished. But the New China is already visible
>as a shining mirage, just over the horizon.

If you want to get a preview of what "new China" will look like, go to
Taiwan or Hong Kong.  The southern half of the country will be a bigger
and messier version of those two places in about 50 years.
From: smach@carson.u.washington.edu (Suantin Mach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:21:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>> 
>>           I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
>>           see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 
>> 
>>           I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
>>           think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
>>           and lively.  
>> 
>>           She has another book called "ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2," which
>>           has the profound sense of history.  And it comes from the
>>           beginning statement of 3 Guo:
>> 
>>               "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4
>>                ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong."
>> 


     i have no comments on QY's books, but i do like the poems in them. 
                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Subject: Looking for Ke1 Li4 Gang1
Reply-To: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:00:01 GMT

I am looking for my friend Ke1 Li4 Gang1 who was from Zhejiang. He came to
the U.S. last year and studied in Oklahoma. I have not get in touch with him
since then. If anyone know where he is now, please response to the following  
address:

frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu.  

Thanks!

Feng1 ZHANG1
From: phsj@MARLIN.JCU.EDU.AU (su jianfeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break; China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:41:47 GMT


In article <1992Jul29> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
..
>>Wake up, folks, watch out what kind of car China is to buy from U.S.
>>before you start celebrating and congratulating on the deal!!
>	Well, I have no idea on cars and don't know about the deal 
>(especially with what PRICE they are buying the Ford Tempos).  But if it
>is a bad deal, I believe part of the blame should go to the pressure on
>MFN status China is facing now.

I agree.

>	Remember one of the major incentives to impose conditions on
>China's MFN is the trade surplus enjoyed by China??  IFCSS' President has
>openly testified to U.S. politicians that China's "trade surplus should be
>stopped".  I guess they are achiving something on it now...  Yeah, right!

This is the most serious damage to economic development in China made by
IFCSS.

J Su
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: How to translate?
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:13:00 GMT


          The original is:

              "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4,
               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2."

          translation 1:

              The earth rotates,
              The sun sets for several times.

          translation 2:
             
              The sun goes down
              But the earth remains

          The other two translations are good too.  But not very
          straight.  The original is beautifully simple.  So we want
          to show that in translation.

          I realize that Jiangshan does not mean Dynasty, rather, it
          means the 3-D world.  

          By the way this poem states the relation between time and 
          the 3-D world and society.  Time is relatively fast, so
          is the history, but the physical 3-D space is sorta slow. 
          Luo Guan Zhong may quality to be the first socio-physicist
          in that sense.
From: loaner4@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Xtal Loaner4)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Question: Documents for J-2 visa
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:15:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

Hi, netters.

I would like to know what documents should be submitted
to USA Consualte in order to apply for a J-2 visa. I 
would greatly appreciate it if any of you can give me
some inputs.

Email to me please. Thanks.

Eric Zhang
loaner4@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Purdue University
From: xbf@CELAL.USC.EDU (Bofu Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: To Sherry Listgarten
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:20:28 GMT

Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal

In article <1992Jul28.220811.29452@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> sherry@Theory.Stanford.EDU (Sheralyn Listgarten) writes:
<=>Wow.  I am amazed at the number of bigoted remarks I've seen on a
<=>quick review of this newsgroup.  Granted, there were probably an equal
<=>number of unbigoted remarks, but the former really stuck out.  I find
<=>it pretty frightening.
<=>
<=>With regard to the accusations of steroid abuse, I need only point out
<=>that the evil American media does not restrict its criticisms to the
<=>Chinese.  Anyone remember the trouble with FloJo, for example?  Or is
<=>it that we just pick on blacks and Chinese?
<=>
<=>In addition, while good swimmers are necessarily strong, low voices
<=>and acne are certainly not prerequisites.  I swim at Stanford (on the
<=>master's team), and from what I know of the coaches and swimmers
<=>there, I would be very, very surprised to hear of any steroids used
<=>for competitive purposes.
<=>
<=>-- Sherry Listgarten.

Dear Sherry Listgaren, please tell us if the following message found in
rec.sports.olympics contains bigoted remarks.  Regardless, I agree
completely with Joshua Caplan.  You have a long ways to go.

Xiong Bofu

--------------forwarded message----------------

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: caplan@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Joshua Caplan)
Subject: fairness
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:42:23 GMT

Look I'm American.  I want Americans to win as many golds as they give out at
these olympics.  I love the dream team.  I like watching swimming and
diving.  But I can't believe how partisan NBC is being, almost to the
point of manipulation.  When I used to watch the olympics the
awards presentation consisted of THREE people and THREE flags.  On NBC
(prime-time, I didn't spring for the other stupidity) if an American
wins the gold we get his/her face COMPLETELY FILLING THE SCREEN for the
entire anthem.  If an American doesn't win, forget the awards presentation.
If you don't have quick eyes you won't catch the mention of other country's
participants, medal-winners or otherwise, in the form of a wash of
illegibly small graphics.  And the commentary (especially diving) is making
me embarassed.  Non-Americans are belittled, Americans are aggrandized, with
no regard to their performance in their respective sport.  Finally, wouldn't
we rather see some games than MUSIC VIDEOS about Pablo Morales?  How about a
glimpse of soccer?  Hey, the US beat Kuwait, why not a little of that?  How
about field hockey, or a demonstration sport other than gymnastics?  Just
for a few minutes.  I keep reading that the coverage is better now than in
Seoul.  Gosh, I'm glad I didn't watch any of that.

-- 
------------------------+-------------------------------------------------
caplan@cs.uiuc.edu	|	Joshua Caplan
			|	Department of Computer Science
			|	University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


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