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From: andyj@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy James)
Subject: Why does everyone hate Arsenal ?
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:29:44 GMT

	Being a new subscriber to this group I do not know if this
question has yet been asked, but here goes .
	Ever since I can remember supporting Arsenal has been a
particuarly hazardous experience. Why is it that thousands of us put up
with all the agravation this generates? So in order to find out the
answer to this question I would like to raise the following points.

1 Why is it that Arsenal are percieved as being incredibly lucky ?
  Does anyone have any statistics to back-up there theory ? ie: Do
  Arsenal really have a higher percentage of last minute winners than say
  Spurs or Liverpool (Sorry shouldn't have mentioned last minute
  winners) and if they do isn't that more to do with playing to the final
  whistle than luck.
2 Are Arsenal really the most boring team in the Universe ?
  How can a team which has over the past few seasons reguarly outscored
  other teams in the football league be classed as boring.
3 And finally is not because certain other clubs are a teeny bit jealous
  of Arsenal's success particuarly at winning championships, or is it
  just because there name sounds funny.

	I would appreciate intelligent (and clean)
	replies to the above questions
  
	(Spurs fans need not apply)

	Andy
From: reidkb@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Kenneth B Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: hands off FERGIE ya bastards
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:49:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland

>[usual anti Rangers rant deleted]

>Iain Ferguson is a dirty wee shite who has never seen a football in his 
>life but kens' how tae amputate the opposition players legs. Stuart McCall 
>is just another heidcase fae England.  Peter Huistra and Dale Gordon are
>another set of dirty buggers who scream if they don't get things their
>own way, Gough had class but has now lost it all, Goram, Robertson,
>Steven, McCoist, Hately, and Durrant are either has-beens, never-beens but
>are as Dirty as hell.
>
>The referees' here in Scotland are weak and utterly biased towards Rangers.
>No referee has the backbone to clamp down on the many fouls, penalties and
>offsides which are never awarded but occur when Rangers are on the rack.
>
>

Its funny you should say this. I was casting my eyes over the Sunday Post's
table (just to see if it was really true that Airdire have got 3 and a half
times their goals this season in bookings- it is true) and who are currently
at the bottom of their table (and hence the least dirtiest team) but Rangers.
They are the only team this season not to have had a player sent off and are
third best in the number of bookings.

Also Rangers have only been awarded 3 penalties this season which is towards
the bottom of this table.

So call us bigoted, call us talent knicking scum, but dont call us dirty!!!!

The boy Reid
>
>The NOT-SO Friendly Arab.


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From: dz@cotton.ivanovo.su (Dmitriy Zykov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spurs to sign Salenkov
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:57:41 GMT
Reply-To: dz@cotton.ivanovo.su
Organization: The Samoylov Cotton Works of Ivanovo


 Hi boys!
I looked for many matches when played Oleg Salenko. Before it was
Zenith from Leningrad, and after Dynamo Kiev. His transfer from Le-
ningrad was 1st professional transfer with fee compensation in his-
tory of Soviet soccer. His play in junior team was great. But I can
say what after his transfer to Kiev he was reputation of poor player,
sorry...    And I don't remember what Oleg was included sometime
in the ex-USSR National Team or some non-official soviet star-list...
In last years he was one of betters in Kiev but after 1989 this club
is poor because 90% of star staff go out to other countries. And Oleg's
leadership in poor Kiev was fictious.

>   Regarding Salenko, does anyone have much info on this guy? All I know is
>   that he scored 14 for Kiev last season, and that he impressed Terry
>   Venables in a two week trial in November.

  It's very strange... But Terry know better...

   P.S. Look for Spartak Moscow now! It's great team today in Russia!


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From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool for Division 1
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:27:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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      Oh, now look at this guy!!!!!  First he lets his optimism about Manchester
   United winning the league title this year go to extraordinary dimensions, now
he prays for something that will not be done:  Liverpool going to Division 1!!!!
         I think that your excessive optimism about United's chances winning the

league title this year has driven you crazy.  Maybe you do need some psychiatric
   treatment after all.
      Who said that Liverpool will continue playing like that?  You?  Then we
can easily discredit your view.
      I am sorry all of you anti-Liverpool people, but your "prayer" will NOT
be answered.  A Liverpool team may be relegated, but that team is...Everton!!!
Maybe your "prayer" will help Everton go down.  Actually I hate Everton too
and I would like to see them go down and have Tranmere replace them.
      Geez, you people are so desperate to see Liverpool go down and that makes
you seek desperate ways to get that done.  Too bad it won't happen though.
      Well, it's never bad to dream, even of the unthinkable.  But who said that
   dreams come true all the time?
                                                                  Panos
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From: e90he@efd.lth.se (Henrik Evanth)
Subject: Everton Fans ( was Re: Premier League Standings
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:03:44 GMT

     Yes,
  Ther e are a lot of Everton fans out here. There must be any way. I have been an
Everton fan since the day I was born (almost). Well as I don't live in England it
is kind of hard watching them. Even though I know they are not doing very well,
because of the standings, I still would like to hear how they actually are
playing and If there is any hope of approvement this year. There must be some
english fans out there who have been visiting Goodison Park lately.

       I guess the 80's were pretty decent for Everton. Let's hope that the 90's
will be another decade of which Everton will be one of the dominating clubs.

                         Henke    e90he@efd.lth.se
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Souness you darling !
Organization: Wits University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:51:02 RSA

In article <5E5A79342000F614@knox.bitnet>
PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
 
>
>
>      Dave,
>        Actually, this article that has all these "you" and "United" words was
>not a response to one of your articles, but a response to someone in South
>Africa who is a big United fan.  Well, I don't want a war, but this guy drives
>me crazy sometimes with the things that he says.  For example, he thinks that
>United has all but wrapped up the league title, when you never know what can
>happen in the future.  I think he sounds way too optimistic and this pisses me
>off a lot.
 
I have a right to feel optmistic even if Im wrong. Who the hell cares if you
are pissed off, you dont have to publicise it to the world. Anyway, why should
you be pissed off if you thought it was a big joke. Scared of my optmisim huh ?
 
>       I don't know, I may as well stop writing about Liverpool vs. United and
>just wait and see.
 
You do that.
 
>       Time is the best judge after all.
 
You bet!!
 
>                                                         Panos
From: visconm@curie.CS.ORST.EDU (Visconti Marcello Alfredo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USSF F@#$ing IDIOTS!!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:24:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.cs.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan21.213503.2789@research.nj.nec.com> tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird) writes:
>In article <18082@umd5.umd.edu> jrobert@lab7.smcm.edu (Jess Roberts) writes:
>
>>of the match.  Hey guys, even the Europeans, Asians, South Americans, Australians, and probably the Danes care more about the Super Bowl
>
>No, Europeans don't give a F@#$ about the Super Bowl! Stupid game
>anyway, American football. Why do they stop the game every five
>seconds?

Neither do most South Americans (like myself). Super What?? I'd say
that the majority of sports fans in South America don't even know there
is a thing called 'Super Bowl'. People in Central America may be, but
not to the South. With the exception of Venezuela, South America is
land of football (the real one!).

Cheers!

Marcello.

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From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Piechnik?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:51:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> Well.....either it's his twin Donkey playing for Liverpool or he was ill
> when he played against Holland. I've heard him and Borygnaby (SP) called
> Torvill and Dean!!!!! *8-)

The reference was made by Gary Lineker and he was talking Torben Piechnik
and Dean Saunders ---- Torben and Dean.

The other guy is called Stig Igne Bjornebye, BTW.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Mo Johnston
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:08:35 GMT

Where is he now? Last i read, he couldn't crack the Everton 1st team. Did
he go back to Rangers and is now warming the bench for Hately and McCoist?

Also, off the topic a bit, but when was the last time Huistra played for
Holland? I ask this because i find it interesting to see that there's a
couple of Dutch players in the Scottish league, whose standard of football
intrigues me to wonder why there are Dutch players there in the first
place (allo Mischa :-)). Not intending to put down Scottish fitba in any way,
but i can't imagine their reason to play there unless they're better paid
than their domestic counterparts back home.

-Dave


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From: jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey)
Subject: Where to buy English soccer shirts for specific teams
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:44:37 GMT


    Like the Subject says...

      I remember someone posting an answer to this question
      sometime ago.. But like a dork I forgot to save the
      post. A re-post or e-mail directly, would be appreciated.

      Thanks in advance... Jim
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Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 15:28:50 CET
From: <FCOSTANT@ESRIN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Italian League: Serie A and B Results and Standings (24/1/93 Games

Gazza, who missed the game for Lazio, was asked by a journalist
"What his thoughts were on the utilisation of the 4 foreigners of Lazio"
His reply was
A BELCH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: div. 3 relegation?
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:53:51 GMT

In article <1k6fm2INNr61@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>
>Now the good news. There was not going to be any relegation from the 3rd
>division this season anyway. The intent was to increase the division by
>two clubs, but in fact it is now shrunk by one due to the demise of
>Aldershot and Maidstone. I suspect that that there won't be any relegation
>for a couple of seasons until the size is right. So there's plenty of
>time for Glenn Roeder to get Gillingham out of the hot water yet.
>
I think I question your logic here. The original intent was to
increase the size of the league from 92 to 94 teams (22, 24, 24 and 24
respectively in its divisions). This was to be achieved by having two
seasons with promotion from the GMVC, coupled with no relegation.
Those seasons were 90/91 and 91/92, when Barnet and Colchester were 
promoted but noone relegated. Thus the original intent was for
relegation to resume this season. This has been complicated by two 
factors:- firstly, the demise of Aldershot and Maidstone; secondly,
the formation of the FA Premier League. The latter is significant 
because of its stated intention to reduce its numbers to 20 (by '95?).
Given that there is currently a total of 92 Premier League + Football 
League clubs, that would leave 24 teams in each of the three divisions
of the Football League. Thus, if the Football League followed through 
with its original intention of increasing its numbers, they could end
up with more than 24 in one of its divisions when the Premier League
reduces its size, something I think they will want to avoid.

My suspicion is that if the Football League was wise, it wouldn't
admit additional new members given the likely reduction in the size of
the Premier League in near future, and that the normal 1 team
relegated to/promoted from the GMVC would resume as planned this
year. Further evidence of this is the fact that no additional team was
promoted to replace either Aldershot or Maidstone. On the other hand,
when was the last time the Football League illustrated wisdom?...

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The end of the road
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:07:40 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <30631@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:


> I'm afraid I must call an end to the Predictions' league. Time simply
> isn't available to devote myself to all this updating as well as coming
> to terms with the current shortcomings of the famous Glasgow Celtic -
> one had to go. Celtic require all my good time and good will to see
> them through this difficult period (I left my phone number at Celtic
> Park, just in case Liam's looking for some advice :-)).
> Oh yes, and I've daytime job too.

	First Liam Brady chucks the Premier League in, now Gerry chucks in 
his predictions league.  Ah well, at least you lasted longer than Celtic.
Farewell, but I hope you still make some contributions to r.s.s. for all of
us to discuss. 


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From: fejd@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jim Drogos)
Subject: US Cup '93
Reply-To: fejd@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:08:41 GMT


I don't know if this has been posted as of yet.

The US will play Germany on June 13th, in Chicago (Soldier Field),
as part of the '93 US CUP. I belive this leaves only the June 10th
match between Brazil and Germany without a site to be chosen.

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From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Man Utd for the Premier League Title
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:04:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      Well, I hope Everton goes down to Division 1.  The fact that they beat
Liverpool doesn't mean a thing and they were lucky in that game as well.
      I hope Tranmere replaces Everton.
                                                                         Panos
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WEDNESDAY NIGHTS SCOTTISH RESULTS
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:48:43 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


Here are this week's scottish cup and league results.....

Wednesday...

CELTIC 1 CLYDE 0

After avoiding utter humiliation at douglas park, Celtic scraped through at
Parkhead against a very good clyde team. Coyne scored the only goal 6 minutes
before half time, but the expected avalanche of goals did not materialise and
clyde could have forced extra time. Clyde keeper Howie had a few brilliant
saves, but Celtics problem are far from over. The crowd, incidentally was about
16000, of which about 2000 were clyde fans.

Celtic are now away to Falkirk or Berwick next


and in the league....

HEARTS 2 ST JOHNSTONE 0

Hearts scored in the 3rd minute of a match played in bloody awful conditions,
john robertson was the scorer. On the half hour Baird scored to make the game
safe. Saints hit a post late on but also had steve maskrey sent off at the end.


The other results were....

Div One>>> COWDENBEATH 2-2 MEADOWBANK 
Div Two>>> ARBROATH    2-1 STRANRAER


 


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From: pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell)
Subject: Re: FANZines
Keywords: Arsenal
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:24:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.185307.6492@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.133439.18887@ugle.unit.no>, mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen) writes:
>> Could somebody please give me the name and subscriptionaddress for the best
>> Arsenal FC-fanzine ? Hard to get ahold of that here in Norway...
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Morten
>
>Arsenal fanzines:
>
>"The Gooner" - 1 pound from BCMM Box 7499, London WC1N 3XX.
>               Mail Order: AFN Distribution, 25 Thomas Str, Miskin, 
>                           Mountain Ash, Mid Glamorgan.

The Gooner is by far the best fanzine for varied articles, match
reports and what is going on with the club and fans.

>
>"The Arsenal Echo Echo" - P.O. Box 122, Guildford, Surrey GU2 6GD
>
>"One-Nil Down, Two-One Up" - 71A Hillfield Park, London N10 3QU
>
>"An Imperfect Match" - 76 Mount Pleasant Cresent, London N4
>

"Gunflash" is the supporters club's fanzine, which unfortunately
I have never read.

"Up The Arse" has just also been released. It looks quite
amateurist and is printed on very poor quality paper

I do not however know the mailing address for either of these.
>
>The best general football fanzine of course is:
>
>"When Saturday Comes" - 4th Floor, 2 Pear Tree Court, London EC1R 0DS
>

Having read it and been satisfied for over three years now
I reccomend the Gooner to you.

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Celtic Re-sign Jinky Johnstone
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:28:30 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
>
>Why must you persist in attacking EVERY SINGLE THING to do with Celtic ?
>
>Posting "Rangers Match Reports" is one thing, and fine by me (I enjoy reading
>the reports), endless abuse of all things Celtic is another.
>
>With regards to Rangers v Celtic I'm totally neutral, but I and others are
>getting bloody sick of yours, Sandy's etc. endless goings-on about what's
>wrong at Celtic Park. Stop cluttering up the group please.

Coming from outside Scotland you obviously can't grasp the subtle piss-taking
that goes on and the banter from both sides. Wouldn't fitba' be great without
rivalry and opposing views.

Why not try pressing `n' or use a kill file. After all, no-one is forcing you
to read the articles.

>Have a nice day.

So long as Rangers are winning.

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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Origin of the word 'Soccer' (was Re: UK fans...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:08:28 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan26.113307.14964@meiko.com> paull@plasma.co.uk writes:
>In article 28530@newsgate.sps.mot.com, altizer@figaro (Robert Altizer) writes:
>>In article 1416@dsbc.icl.co.uk, Dave Parry <dvp@dsbc.icl.co.uk> () writes:
>>>Football (not soccer!!!) is a game of passion and it incites passion
>>               ^^^^^^
>>Oh come on Dave, you Brits coined the term "soccer" (nee Association 
>>Football) in the 19th century to distinguish the game from the equally
>>popular Rugby League Football.
>> [stuff deleted]
>
>BOLLOCKS!
>
>The British **HATE** the term SOCCCER! IT is football!
>
>This rubbish about the British inventing the name to save
>confusion is pure crap.
>
> [stuff deleted]
>
>Without doubt the term "Soccer" comes from the USA, who
>needed it because they had invented "American Football",
>which they just had to call "Football" even though feet
>hardly come in to it.

Well, it's been a while since Garry Archer posted his article on
the origins of the word 'Soccer', so Garry, perhaps you should
re-post this article.

These questions/discussions have a way of popping up periodically,
don't they? ;-)

For the record, I'm against the split-up of r.s.s, even if, over
the years, the signal to noise ratio in this group has decreased
steadily. I still find this group to be one of the best ways to get
soccer information and discussions from around the world. With a
good news reader, one can easily sift through the articles.

Regards,

Marco...
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