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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:49:10 GMT

In article <9232115.15884@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>Similarly, the term "GueiLo" has evolved, and it no longer is used as
>a racist offensive term.  It has become quite acceptable in the European
>circle in Chinese speaking countries.

Ya know, "nigger" used to be a common way of describing African-Americans in
the United States.  The whites used it; the blacks used it; everyone used it.
That doesn't mean that it was not a racist epithet or that it isn't a racist
epithet.

The Chinese people in the United States, a hundred years ago, also used to
accept the epithet "Chinaman."  That doesn't mean that the epithet is not
racist.  Rather, it means that the Chinese people were forced to accept it
since they didn't want to get any additional backlash.

Think about what would happen if a group of foreigners in Hong Kong were to
publicly denounce the term "GueiLo" as racist.  What would happen to them?
They will probably be immediately socially rejected by the local Chinese
population.

The same case applies to the term "Mountain People" in Taiwan to describe
aborigines.  The aborigines dislike that epithet; however, their protests
against it are basically unheard, and also brought some backlash.  Since the
aborigines are going to stay in Taiwan, their struggles, if that brings them
a better status, would be worth the price that they have to give up now.  But
the foreigners in Hong Kong don't have that incentive; why bring backlashes
against yourself if you are just going to be in Hong Kong for another year or
two?
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: (1). He's a virgin?  (2). Big Breast?
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Nov11.192756.8849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>OK, that's our women's turn now.  Once a girl told me that she won't marry a
>virgin because "I am a virgin, so if I marry a guy who is also a virgin, oh,
>god, how will it be?  There should be someone who know how to do it, right?"
>Oh, well, how do you girls think of it?

Tell her not to worry.  Just do what comes naturally. :)

>"Well, but you can't check, honey." I said.  "Ya, that's the most unfair part
>of it while men 'can check' us.  They even can measure the size of our breast
>by eyes!"  she said reluctantly.  Ok, so the new question pops out: do you men
>like to marry a big-breast women?

That depends on your definition of "big".  Personally, I
think that they should be noticeable, but not overly so.
Anything much larger than a handful is probably a waste. :)

I think that many women have the misconception that guys
only like girls because of their looks/physical attributes.
This is entirely not true.  Good features help, but it's
more important for a guy to feel compatible with the girl,
personality wise.  Sure, good-looking girls get more stares.
We may even feel tempted to touch. :)  But that doesn't mean
we want to spend the rest of our lives with them.  I'm sure
it's the same way with with you girls and good-looking guys.
Well, at least I hope so, since I'm not that great in the
looks department myself. :)

Anyway, the point is that breast-size, or any other physical
attribute, is really not an overly important issue when it
comes to who we want to marry.  I've never met a guy who
married his wife based on her bra size.

			- David

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:04:36 GMT


	I respect people who value their virginity but I don't think
	the argument presented here has much to do with it.

In article <Bxy6Et.I5s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> positron <achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>...
>only those who had a desire for virgin girls were
>left alive to pass their genes to the next generation.

	First, most STDs (not including AIDS) are not fatal diseases.

	STDs occurs mostly on men who are not sexually responsible;
	it does not matter whether they let virginity decide the
	happiness of their married life. Don't tell me that men
	who let virginity decide their marriage are more sexually
	responsible; they only take that responsibility seriously
	ONE TIME only and it is not even on themselves.


>The advent of antibiotics after the Second World War
>...
	You ingore that fact that most of STDs are not fatal.
	
>girls on this newsgroup).  Fortunately AIDs will
>take care of this problem and will eliminate these
>"abnormal" men from the gene pool.

	AIDS affects mostly people who are not sexually responsible
	and has nothing to do with whether a man let virginity decide
	his marriage.

	Again, let's assume you are right...

	Well, as I understand, the possiblity of having AIDS thru
	heterosexual relationship is very low (hence the rumor that
	Magic Johnson is gay).

	Your hope that AIDS will kill those who don't let virginity
	decide their marriage (you must be really upset with them)
	will take many centuries with very low probability.

	Finally, if AIDS is aimed at only killing people who don't let
	virginity decide their marriage, why you may get it thru
	other ways (i.e, blood transmission).

Yung-Kao Hsu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yhcheng@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (I miss micky and wawa)
Subject: Re: TOFEL information required
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:06:20 GMT

The address followes: 

The Language Training and Testing Center
P.O.Box 23-41, Taipei, Taiwan 100
170 Hsin-hai Road, Sec 2, Taipei, Taiwan 106

Tel: (02) 362-6045



 
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   Hsinchu 30043                         Tel: 886-35-715131 ext 3224  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Cultural Influence = Colonization??Re: (none)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:46:35 GMT

>In article <1992Nov19.161549.19265@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee) writes:
>
>It's useless to instigate the sentiments among Taiwanese, who largely
>were people colonized by the Japanese before 1946 and still endear the
>old days. Taiwanese is a special breed of the ethnic Chinese. People
>who are 50 years or older are influenced deeply by the Japanese culture;
>young people under 30 years are strongly influenced by Japanese pop culture.
>Japanese pop figures are idols among them.
>
>Today, once again Taiwan is colonized by Japanese culturally (even
>Hong Kong).
>
>
	Yes, there is still fairly amount of influence of Japanese culture
	in Taiwan. No, Taiwan isn't colonized by Japan culturally. You are
	being too exaggerative here. May I remind you that most of the
	japanese can still read or write 3000 to 5000 Chinese characters?
	Chinese literature is a must-take during Japanese high school 
	education? There are more Japanese investigating and filming 
	ancient Chinese culture than Chinese are. Can one say that Japanese
	are colonized by Chinese culturally then? I've never heard of
	most Japanese pop singers' names when I was in Taipei, but I
	got to know more about them from my Canadian friends. Do you know
	anything about Princess Princess? Yumi Arai? Southern All Star?
	Yuki Saito? .... I didn't know about them before I came here.
	So Canadian are colonized by Japanese culturally? I don't think
	so. Again, there are fairly amount of Japanese culture influence
	in Taiwan, so what, same here in north America.

	Paul
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:41:30 GMT

In article <By3ELC.Fry@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
> 
>I would like to add some more comments from another point of view.
>If your girl friend/wife is not a virgin, will you trust her? Even she loves
>you very much, do you think it is going to last forever?
>Once love fades, don't you think she will try to find another fantasy ( sex )?
>What kind of girl do you think she is?  Can you concentrate on your careers?

Well, I am convinced that men who have *virgins* for *wives* are going to be
pretty miserable anyway. :-)

In any case, I don't think women who were no longer virgins at the time they
married are more likely to be unfaithful, on the average.
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Black list and etc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:58:46 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>In article <1992Nov14.000841.28427@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
> 
>>I dont see the problem. For example, if your son are very violent against
>>the family, you as a father, do you let him stay in the house or maybe he 
>>is so violent you may have to sever the father-son relations. 
>>
>>Certainly "the judiciary can prosecute these people AFTER they have returned"
>>is other way to do it.

Mr. Allen Sher responded:

>Here's the problem:
> 
>	These people were NEVER stripped of their ROC citizenship!
> 
>If you want to use the "sever the tie" argument, at least do it!
>I mean, strip these people of their ROC citizenship.
>Then you can talk about "sever the relationship".
>That is the legal way to do it;
>and ROC is a country ruled by law, right? (:-)

These are technical details. I am not in the position to tell the government 
how to do it. But as long as it is done on a fair and open basis then I think 
it should be OK. Again, anyone who has different political opinion should have 
full rights to go home as others because freedom of speech is part of 
democracy. But there is no freedom of terrorism unless people want revolution.

There are some IRA members in the US can not go back to Northern Ireland 
because the British government did not allow because of their "terrorism". 

>If it can bar pro-independence citizens from returning today,
>are you sure it will not use the same tactics to bar
>pro-unification citizens from returning tomorrow?

No one should be banned from returning home just because of their different
political belief.

Frankly, given the  current Taiwan's political environment, there is no place
for the violence. 

>Freedom to travel should not fall victim of political censorship
>by ANY goverment, be it pro-whatever!

I agree, but freedom of travel to do violent things certainly should be banned.

>(By the way, I disagree with Mr./Ms. Li's characterization that
>"those people were violent against the family."
>I think they had (and still have) serious political disagreement
>with those who were/are in power. 

Did I say those people who have different political belief are violent in my 
posting? In fact, I think most of them never were. And all I said if anyone 
who is a terrorist with evidence, then some actions should be taken.

>The decision to bar them
>from returning was not reached by the whole family, either.
>It was decided by the person holding the front door key.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>And I'm not sure she/he is the "man of the house" or not.)

Not by the person but by the law. If the law is inappropriate then should be
changed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:52:52 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Matthew Huntbach writes:
>I suspect that had a fiery Calvinist preacher got established
>in Ireland, like Knox in Scotland, but in Ireland he would have
>had to be Gaelic-speaking, Ireland would have gone over to

This is a very perceptive comment.  A Gaelic translation of the
Bible would also have been required, which the resources of the
Gaelic communities of the time probably could not have afforded --
I don't think any came into existence for another few centuries.

I don't really know why else Protestantism didn't get established
in Ireland; for example, why the local Gaelic chiefs didn't adopt
it.  The Gaelic communities in Scotland also remained Catholic
for quite some time, didn't they?  (Many still remain so.)
The real opportunity for the Irish to switch to Protestantism was
probably lost when Henry VIII left the Catholic church.  This
happened earlier than the Scottish conversion.  Perhaps this left
Catholicism as a mark of rebellion against the English overlords,
now Protestant.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Austers, Biggles & Brit War Comics
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:14:03 GMT

In <By1Esn.Hno@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:


>||If you go back to the really early stuff that came out in the inter-war 
>||years, Bigglesworth and his stalwart comrades 'danced the skies' and did 
>||right in Sopwith Camels.   

In fact, if you go to the very early ones, he's flying around in the 
F2B - Vickers 'Gunbus'.


>|For those not in the know..Bigglesworth (what the HECK was his first 
>|name? Everyone just called him "Biggles") was born in  Imperial India 

In WW1, he was Captain James Bigglesworth (probably MC), and he was indeed 
a product of a public school, but not one of the famous ones. There is a
book 'Biggles goes to school', if you can find a copy.

>|tain's tomb). During the Second World War he flew Spitfires (or course). 
>|I haven't found any Battle of Britain accounts but I remember various 
>|adventures in the Western Desert, the South China Sea and in Burma. 

The book 'Spitfire Parade' is about the battle. This is the book where
he meets Bertie (Lord Lissie), and several others that hang around in
most of the WW2 books. There are notable things about 'Spitfire Parade'
that make some of it an obvious rehash of some parts of 'Biggles of 266'
'Biggles, Pioneer Air Fighter' etc. Almost certainly rushed out as a 
patriotic measure during the war, probably during the battle itself.

One of my favorites was 'Biggles in Burma'. Don't forget he also joined
the Foreign Legion (at least, he and Algy did).

How about the Worrals or Gimlet books?

regards,
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From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:37:47 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>>of misgovernment under Thatcher. While it is unrealistic to
>>suppose that Thatcher could be brought back as leader of the
>>Tory Party, it is not unrealistic to suppose they could bring
>>someone in who stood on the platform of "going back to Margaret
>>Thatcher's principles". They managed to pull off tehlast
>>election by a change of leadership, don't let them managae iot
>>with the next one.

>Yes, but who?  There's no obvious Thatcherite candidate waiting
>in the wings.
>
I can think of two quite mind-boggling outsiders: Jeffrey Archer and
Cecil Parkinson. Or are they both lords now? That's even more mind
boggling. Does being a peer and eligable for the house of lords 
automatically stop you being a prime minister?

How about Richard Branson for the next amatuer to slime up the ladder?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: English English
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:03:02 GMT

In article <14NOV199219044576@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>I have just received a letter from the omnipotent BT which begins:
>thank you for your complaint about .... which has been onpassed to me.
>Can anyone spot the non-English word in the sentence above?  Is this
>another one, like de-plane, that we have to thank the Americans for?
>

No way.  Sounds like a British neologism to me.  BT must be starting
this up as a sideline - last spring I tried to call a friend of mine
in London, since I wanted him to pick me up at the airport later that week.
I kept getting a recording which stated "The line is parked.", over & over.  
I thought that was fairly strange message, so I called the ATT
operator to ask what it meant.  She didn't know, so she call the BT operator
to find out.  Yes, it IS another synonym for "busy" or "engaged".
Well why couldn't they SAY so?


sue
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:26:29 GMT

In article <92325.085218BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Bernard BELL <BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:

>3. Many of Godfrey's postings are written in Yadallean.

Oh, surely not.  Godfrey couldn't begin to attain the heights of
creativity that are needed to fashion the uniquely unfathomable
Yadallean prose.

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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:55:03 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1992Nov17.204907.9453@pierrot.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
>(  >Has anybody got the rules, if any, for Mornington Crescent.  I have
> ) >never been able to work it out :-((((
>(  
> ) This should definitely be in the FAQ.
>
>Has anybody got the FAQ, if any, for soc.culture.british.  
>I have never been able to work it out.                                      g

Perhaps it's in Mornington Crescent...





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From: per@aber.ac.uk (Peter David Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: Comparison of voting systems (was: Rule Britannia)
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:08:20 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


With all this debate about the pros and cons of PR in both groups and with 
the claims so regularly made that PR leads to weak government, I dont suppose
this is the right time to point out the "strong decisive" government that 
our current FPTP system has produced.

So decisive that the government has misled the house for 2 years over Iraq 
arms sales, so strong that we have a complete reversal of economic policy in
the space of a month.

The best advert at the moment for PR is not the Lib Dems, although we usually
are, but the mess that the Tory government has made of the Economy
employment, Europe the Miners. All this in only 6 months!! what will they
manage in the next 4 years and most of it preventable by a coalition government
Pete Roberts


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Crime rates in Britain compared
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:38:21 GMT

silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:

>	There are people from Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Djakarta, 
>Medellin, Bogota, Lima, Calcutta, Cairo, Moscow, and Washington, DC
>who live in cities of near equal to greater danger. You _are_ 
>comparatively 'extra' safe in Britain. Life is _not_ as raw in
>northern Europe (I'd forgotten to mention Palermo in the list above) 
>as it is in the urban centers of _most_ of the rest of the world.

   I don't know if it's quite so clear cut.  The cities mentioned are
probably rather dangerous, but on the other hand my information
(gleaned from a combination of personal experience, talking to other
travelers, and reading travel books and newspaper travel sections) is
that Athens, Istanbul, Damascus, Singapore, and Hong Kong are probably
safer, in terms of street crime, than Dublin, Frankfurt, or Amsterdam.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:15905 soc.culture.celtic:7341
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:58:16 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1992Nov13.075941.3950@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>Some examples of Scots grammar:
>and for all you people living in England, the US, Canada etc who say
>"I've heard that here". Well, Scots have emigrated/been transported all
>over the world and many took their language with them.
>
>1) Scots: "The car needs washed"
>   English: "The car needs a wash" / "The car needs washing"

But all your examples are of colloquial speech. I hardly think double
negatives are specific to Scots, since they are common in uneducated
English speech too.  Would the writers and foreign ambassadors who you
put forward as arguments for treating Scots as a 'serious' language have
said 'yous' and used double negatives?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell)
Subject: Roman Treasure Found
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:02:54 GMT

Does anyone know more about this?  It's supposed to be even
better than the Mildenhall treasure....

Chris

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british