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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Police Bikes
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Do Police departments sell their old Harleys? Would this be somewhere
to get a good well maintained used bike?  I would expect they would have
high mileage, but mostly highway cruise miles.
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       Sometimes the truth is hidden,
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         Like a shadow in the darkness.
  /     David Taylor Model Basin                  -Master Po
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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Police Bikes
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:28:31 GMT

In article <24418@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
+Do Police departments sell their old Harleys? Would this be somewhere
+to get a good well maintained used bike?  I would expect they would have
+high mileage, but mostly highway cruise miles.

Here in California, the CHP sells their old bikes.  Yes, they are high
mileage but well maintained.  You could actually buy a brand new FXRP
by ordering it thru a dealer.  (This may not be true in Calif.).  Someone
a few years ago, bought one in FL that way and said that the price was
even lower than a Super Glide.

Be aware that police tend to be pretty rough on their bikes.

____________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Police Bikes
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:30:24 -0600
Followup-To: alt.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <24418@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian
Kiviat) wrote:
> 
> Do Police departments sell their old Harleys? Would this be somewhere
> to get a good well maintained used bike?  I would expect they would have
> high mileage, but mostly highway cruise miles.

	Sure, but the Karma ain't worth it.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: Ride definition, Softail vibration, RMH vote.
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:01:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.234534.4082@stortek.com>
terryg@stortek.com (terry gottehrer) writes:
>Steve Garnier (steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu) wrote:
>>ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca Mike Mychalkiw wrote:
>>>RMH vote. It was suspected that I stuffed the ballot box. Mr.
>>>pestered me for an explanation. All I did was get some coworkers to vote.
> 
>>And how are your coworkers, Mr."Problem Reporting, A" and 
>>Ms."advisor's utility disk" doing nowadays?  Could you send me "their"
>>home addresses?  I'd like to place "them" on my Christmas Card list.
>>All you had to do was give "their" names, Mike, and you refused.  
>>Of course, "they" never returned my email either.
> 
>Steve,
>Are you the most boring guy in the world or what? Get off it already!!
>Terry

Terry,
I'm not responsible for the level of entertainment you receive from USENET.
I'm simply asking for some information which Mikey refuses to divulge.
I'd appreciate it if Mikey would let us know "who" sent those other 
votes from RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca.  This is not a difficult task.

HINT:  As long as Mikey continues to bleat about "coworkers" 
being so very, very, very helpful to him, and how he has been so
horribly, horribly, horribly abused, I will continue asking him 
for the information that, if received when originally requested,
would have ended this mess a very, very, very long time ago.  
Until Mikey either stops bleating *or* provides such simple
information, prepare to be incredibly, incredibly, incredibly
bored, and endeavor to persevere.  :-)

Steve Garnier - DoD #00000005 - '79 XS1100SF w/ 157K+ miles and *climbing*
KotF (Flame),  KotAM (Anecdotal Motorcycle),  The Daemon's Byte
       Contrary to popular belief, I am not the Devil's advocate...
                  ...but I am his speech writer.
From: crhoades@crchh526.BNR.CA (Craig Rhoades)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re:Women Riders
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:25:25 GMT
Reply-To: crhoades@crchh526.BNR.CA (Craig Rhoades)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

You can add another woman to the ranks of motorcyclist (you may call her
"BikerBabe" if you want, but "buddy" or "brainless bimbo" don't really fit).

My wife and I recently took up biking (I had to learn to ride to keep up
with her).  

She's also learning the difficulties of being a woman biker.  For
instance, after catching a slight chill and a few glaring stares from
oncoming motorists, she discovered shirts that button down the front
often become unbuttoned on a bike.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Subject: Re: Ride definition, Softail vibration, RMH vote.
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:05:35 GMT

In article <92237.083008ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca (Mike Mychalkiw) writes:
>However a ride is done on the highway and a cruise is just around town. 
>Makes sense?

I cruise down a highway, and ride around town.  I tour cross-country.
I jump mud puddles.  I fly through the air with the greatest of ease...
...when I high-side. 8-O :-)  I cruise and ride when I commute to work and
return home.

>My ride is an '92 FXSTC. The softail custom is great on the highway. Here is a
>few observations.
>
>False neutral when downshifting. It happens, pardon the expression, when you
>shift like a woman, shift it like you mean it and you will never have the
>problem again.

I've seen many motorcycle drag-racers miss a shift in a quarter-mile...even
the pros.  I'm not going to criticize the technique of riders whose approach
and ability in timing and shifting is far superior to mine.  And I know some 
women who shift damn well, too.

>Vibration. 
>Rubber mounting the haddle bars might be a good idea.

You might also want to consider either lead-shot or a "bar snake" within your
handlebars.  The lead-shot usually works by lowering the harmonic frequency
within the handlebars by increasing the mass of the handlebars.  The "bar
snake", IF it acts as a "stiffener" within the handlebars, would shift the
harmonic frequency to a higher frequency.  Which, if any, will work for you
depends on the vibration frequencies produced by your engine and transmitted
through your frame.  The result could either be no observable vibration, or
just shifting the nuisance to another speed.  If your problems only start
at very high speeds, you might prefer a "stiffener" instead of increased mass,
since HOPEFULLY the speed needed to cause excessive vibration would be
greater than that which you *cruise* with. ;-)  Maybe an ME or a Fizzix Nutt
would care to elaborate/flame.

>RMH vote. It was suspected that I stuffed the ballot box. Mr.
>pestered me for an explanation. All I did was get some coworkers to vote.

And how are your coworkers, Mr."Problem Reporting, A" and 
Ms."advisor's utility disk" doing nowadays?  Could you send me "their"
home addresses?  I'd like to place "them" on my Christmas Card list.
All you had to do was give "their" names, Mike, and you refused.  
Of course, "they" never returned my email either.

>Hey what is this guy doing in AMH anyways. 

Mike, you're crossposting to rec.motorcycles.  <sheesh!>

>Check out his sig, a XS100SF is found.  Get this guy out of here.

And I appreciate your segregationist attitude, too!

Steve Garnier - DoD #00000005 - '79 XS1100SF w/ 157K+ miles and *climbing*
KotF (Flame),  KotAM (Anecdotal Motorcycle),  The Daemon's Byte
       Contrary to popular belief, I am not the Devil's advocate...
                  ...but I am his speech writer.
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From: terryg@stortek.com (terry gottehrer)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Ride definition, Softail vibration, RMH vote.
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:45:34 GMT
Organization: StorageTek

Steve Garnier (steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: 
: >RMH vote. It was suspected that I stuffed the ballot box. Mr.
: >pestered me for an explanation. All I did was get some coworkers to vote.
: 
: And how are your coworkers, Mr."Problem Reporting, A" and 
: Ms."advisor's utility disk" doing nowadays?  Could you send me "their"
: home addresses?  I'd like to place "them" on my Christmas Card list.
: All you had to do was give "their" names, Mike, and you refused.  
: Of course, "they" never returned my email either.
: 
Steve,

Are you the most boring guy in the world or what? Get off it already!!

Terry

--
Terry_Gottehrer@stortek.com
Louisville, CO (by Boulder,Longmont,Denver)
(303)673-4943
From: poirot@widget.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel Poirot)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Police Bikes
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:08:14 GMT
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center

In article <BtyHn4.L6t@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>In article <24418@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>>Do Police departments sell their old Harleys? Would this be somewhere
>
>If they do, there are usually more police officers wanting to purchase the
>retired-from-service bikes than there are bikes at the auctions and I'll bet
>they get first crack at purchasing them. Here in Texas, a lot of the police
>departments' motorcycle divisions are volunteer and the officers must purchase
>their own patrol bikes with the department paying only maintenance costs.

I don't know if it is still the case, but here in Houston, the scooter-
cops buy their own rides.
-- 
Daniel Poirot           poirot@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
NASA JSC                "The mind is a terrible thing."
ER3                     tel: (713)483-8793
Houston, TX 77058       fax: (713)483-3204
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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Monday, 24 Aug 1992 08:30:08 EST
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Ride definition, Softail vibration, RMH vote.

Greetings,

A ride is a ride is a ride, although a cruise is a cruise is a cruise.

However I did 823km on Saturday for no good reason. For those of us not in the
US the crossing of a state line does not apply. However a ride is done on the
highway and a cruise is just around town. Makes sense?

My ride is an '92 FXSTC. The softail custom is great on the highway. Here is a
few observations.

False neutral when downshifting. It happens, pardon the expression, when you
shift like a woman, shift it like you mean it and you will never have the
problem again.

Vibration. On my highway cruise. The longest leg was three hours continuous.
At speeds up to 120kmh the vibration is alright. At 140kmh its pretty buzzy on
the driver's pegs and the handle bars. I have never seen or heard about rubber
mounted frame for softails. Who brought this up? Rubber mounting the haddle
bars might be a good idea.

Vibrating parts to death. After my day of riding as I pulled into my SO's I
notice a new rattle. It turned out to be the the bracket the holds the cruiser
shield to the hadle bar broke right were the bolt is. Going to the dealership
on Tuesday to get them to fix it. Will my warranty cover it? It was put on by
them when I bought the bike.

Passengers. On my previous bike my SO used to sleep on long hauls. The bike was
a '83 650 Honday Nighthawk. We put a bag on the rear carrier and she wore a
knapsack that rest on the bag that was on the rea carrier. Therefore no weight
on her shoulders. She was pretty packed in and had no where to move so she
slept. She has no been on a long ride yet on the Softail however it will need
some modification to make it comfortable for her. The sissy bar leans back to
much. So we will tie our rainsuits on the sissy bar to make it more upright.

RMH vote. It was suspected that I stuffed the ballot box. Mr.
pestered me for an explanation. All I did was get some coworkers to vote.
Hey what is this guy doing in AMH anyways. Check out his sig, a XS100SF is     .
found. Get this guy out of here.

Later.

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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
From: lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Lesley Walker)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:21:22 GMT
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ

>davek@scooter.intel.com (Dave Karikas) writes:
>>Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford) writes:
>>|> IMHO, there just are not enough women bikers.  Especially single
>>|> ones.  
>
>>I wonder why this is? It's a great way to meet people and IMHO is better
>>than a singles bar. I wish there were more women riders out there.

Is this a "gee, I'd like to find a woman who rides motorcycles to go
out with" thread?

Perhaps you'd like to know what happens (socially) to women who ride
motorbikes, in particular those who make a hobby of it and take it
seriously.

You wouldn't? I'll tell you anyway.  We end up single and miserable,
because all the guys think of us as buddies, and therefore don't even
consider the idea of forming Relationships with us.  They all seem to
want brainless bimbos for girlfriends.

At least, that's my personal experience.  I've given up trying to find
motorcycling partners.  I find computer nerds are usually better value.

(Okay, so I'm bitter about this. I reckon I've got a right to be.)


-- 
  -=- The Leather Goddess (aka Lesley Walker) -=- Wellington, New Zealand -=-
        lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz                      Vote for MMP!
   DoD#258 -=- Yamaha XV1000 -=- Yamaha XS650 -=- Ford Cortina -=- Altos 586
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: 901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Danny DiDio)
Subject: I need some help!
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:19:48 GMT

 My bike is really acting weird on me latety,and I was wondering if
anyone in the group had any suggestions.The other day I tried to
start her up and all I got in return was the starter trying to
turn.When I tried long enough,the bike would give off this big bang.
I took the tank off,checked the plugs and they were fine,but I did
notice the gas wasn't coming out of the tank very well.
 I took apart the gas tap on the tank and tried my chances then.
The bike started up but still made a constant bang.
Can anyone help me out there,and if I'm posting to the wrong group
could someone redirect me to another.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Ride definition, Softail vibration, RMH vote.
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:33:06 GMT

steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
[Steve's _still_ questing for the holy grail]

>I'm not responsible for the level of entertainment you receive from USENET.

Actually I find it a bit entertaining, in a perverse sort of way. Kind
of like watching someone sort their sock drawer in their stateroom on
the Titanic. Amazing attention to detail, but just a little bit
pointless.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
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From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: oil
Keywords: dead dinosaurs
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:19:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University

Cliff Weston writes:

>obmoto: i changed the oil this weekend, using castrol gtx 20w50 instead of
>the usual mobil1 15w50. after a few days, the tranny sounds the same, revs 
>seem about the same, but the valves make noticeably more noise for the first 
>few minutes the bike is started. i returned the case of castrol in exchange 
>for some more mobil1. just another data point.

I used to use castrol gtx 20w50 in my Alfa GTV6, until the owner of the 
shop I had it serviced at said it was _real bad_ for the engine. He said it 
would leave all sorts of crap inside the engine that would eventually 
build up to an impressive amount of residue that shouldn't be there. He used 
mobil1 in his SSGT Milano racer.

A friend who is a Harley mechanic said essentially the same thing: avoid 
castrol. He recommended Pennzoil, Valvoline Racing, or synthetics such as 
mobil1 or (for racing bike applications) motul or golden spectro.

I've still got the better part of a case of castrol that I haven't used 
since then. I use Valvoline Racing now.

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@rice.edu
'81 Honda CB750/836F
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 883->1200 (was Re: Sportster availability.)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:17:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) says:
>   
> 1)  I just wanted to get an idea of how or why a Harley barrel needs to be
>   bored differently than cars or Japanese barrels.  I'd like to be as informed
>   as I can before I go talk to a shop about this.

The barrels change shape slightly when the head is torqued down. To bore
them correctly, you need a jig that applies the same type of compression
to the barrel.

I'd suggest you contact a good Harley shop - like Bartels - who does this
kind of conversion. It's MUCH cheaper to get it done right the first time.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Lawyer or NOT!
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <57210019@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, grubb@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Gary A. Grubb) writes:

| Would anyone care to offer advice based upon experience about whether to wing
| it alone against the insurance company or give a third to a lawyer?

  I would wait and see if the AAA will give you full medical and repairs
on the bike and something for your time and trouble. Going through a
lawyer will take 1/3 off the settlement and add two years to time you
wait for it.

  If AAA wants to really screw you, then you might as well get a lawyer.
The lawyer has to get 50% more than you would or you are losing money
(work the ratio backward). Since you don't seem to have permanent
disability, not a lot of pain and suffering, the kid has little money,
and when you go to court you will be depicted as a "dirty biker" anyway,
I think you will have to look at the ecconomics and hassle and decide if
it's worth it.

  You might also think about suing the cop for not issuing a ticket to
the kid, I think in most states it's called misfeasance. Because that
hurts your ability to collect, and the report shows a violation, you
then might have a case against someone who (a) has money, and (b)
obviously doesn't value bikers much.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
From: gerben@cowboy.sara.nl (Gerben Jansen)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Anybody with access to HD's history/files on bikes ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:31:58 GMT
Reply-To: gerben@sara.nl
Organization: SARA (Academic Computing Services Amsterdam)

I have a '42 harley liberator and i would like to learn a bit about its history.
I've been told it was bought in 1942 by the canadian army and went to africa
at some moment. in 1980 it was imported into the netherlands and rebuild to a
civil model.

Can anyone tell me more about this bike if i gave the serial number ?

-- 


Gerben Jansen,

SARA (Academic Computing Services),

Kruislaan 415,
1098 SJ Amsterdam,
The Netherlands.

e-mail: gerben@sara.nl
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: henry@ilx057 (David Henry)
Subject: Sokol
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 12:13:46 GMT
Organization: Intel
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4



I am restoring a 1935 Sokol. This bike was made in Poland and alledged to be
a copy of a Harley of the same era.
It is a 995cc V-twin, side valce engine. The gear shift is a lever on the
gas tank.
If you have any info, anecdotes, picture, literature on this bike - please
get in touch.

--
David Henry, Intel Corporation, Haifa, ISRAEL
henry@iil.intel.com phone +972 435 5019 fax +972 435 5674
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:22:20 GMT

--

Re: Sporty 883->1200 conversion and boring Evo barrels

One thing nobody mentioned about this conversion is that the combustion chamber
must be
enlarged to the new bore size. HD provides a template with the kit. A milling
machine would
be best but it can be hogged out with a die grinder. Otherwise it's a straight
up bore job
with new pistons.

Evo barrels !!! ABSOLUTLY MUST !!! be bored using a torque plate or the bore
will not be
straight when assembled. The reason is that the metal deforms under use. An Evo
barrel
grows more than .100" during the heat-cool cycle! The torque plate scrunches the
barrel
down while on the boring machine, to simulate the running environment.

Off to rec.motorcycles.harley...

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (Dave Karikas)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Women riders - what do you think?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:05:06 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com
Organization: Harley's R Us

In article <Stafford-180892162245@134.29.65.250>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (Stafford) writes:

|> IMHO, there just are not enough women bikers.  Especially single
|> ones.  
|> 

I wonder why this is? It's a great way to meet people and IMHO is better
than a singles bar. I wish there were more women riders out there.

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley