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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Cal vs KU(was Re: Cal 14 v. Purdue 41)
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.083254@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>>
>Cal-woofers; are you still predicting a win at KU a week from
>Thursday?   I think this should be a good game.  I think KU
>will win, but will wait and see what happens to them in Tulsa
>before I make any predictions.  
>--

Predicting Cal's performance would be pretty tough at this point;
there's no track record. 

Last year they were a top-10 team for eleven games and a lousy 
team at Stanford. Cal rooters would like to believe a
one-game stumble is the same pattern 
this year, but Cal has a new coach, new quarterback(s),
and new starters at a number of other positions. 

Maybe they're just not that good this year. When they lost to
Stanford, Stanford was on a late-season roll, and it was clear 
they had put it all together. From the sounds of Purdue posters,
we'll have to wait a bit to see how good the Boilermakers really
are. Very good, Cal fans hope.

The popular theory here is that an inspired Cal will show up
and take it to Kansas. This is a team with shaky confidence
lead by a coach who hasn't been the head man in years; maybe
maybe he'll have them breathing fire ... maybe. Keep your betting
money in your wallet on this one.

Ken "arf" B.
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: multiple-MNC's? (was Re: Shameless OU woof)
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:15:10 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) wrote:
}
}Alabama: '25 Dartmouth  (Rissman Trophy)
}         '26 Stanford   (Rissman Trophy)
}         '30 Notre Dame (Rissman Trophy)
}         '34 Minnisota  (Knute Rockne Memorial Trophy)
}
}How many teams claim national championships during these years?
}Who awarded Alabama ... the MNC during these years?

1925: Alabama was 10-0, won the Rose Bowl 20-19 over Washington and
      was MNC according to Helms and Football Annual.
1926: Alabama (9-0-1) and Stanford (10-0-1) tied in the Rose Bowl, so
      the split MNC is appropriate.  Helms lists 'Bama as the champ.
1930: Alabama was 10-0, and was selected co-MNC (with 10-0 Notre Dame)
      by the Davis system.  Virtually every other poll/system/whatever
      picked the Irish.
1934: Alabama (10-0) was MNC according to Dunkel, Williamson, and
      Football Thesaurus.  Minnesota (8-0) was #1 by most others.

You may notice a pattern here - there was incredible anti-South bias
in some of these systems for many, many years. 

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
From: CXC19$@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: QB situation at PSU?
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:15:39 GMT
 <1992Sep9.134829.24100@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Sep9.134829.24100@athena.mit.edu>, chico@athena.mit.edu
  (Thomas A Weston) says:
>
>My understanding was that Sacca (John not Tony) sucked and was pulled.  [...]
>

John Sacca was injured in the first half of the Cincinnati game.  He
will miss at least the Temple game this week because of his injury.


Carl Cotner
cxc19@psuvm.psu.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: tu rumor
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:20:13 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall) wrote:
}
}I suppose it is only a matter of time before another school joins
}the B10 (to make the Big 12, sounds better than the Big 11, eh ?).
}I always thought it would be ND though, seeing their midwest location
}and the fact that they already schedule ~4 Big Ten schools a year.

Notre Dame will never join the Big Ten, because they don't want to
have to share their bowl and TV money with anyone.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Ucla
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 21:37:45 GMT

In article <195hifINN2mt@agate.berkeley.edu> ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng) writes:
>
>     Who will be the next Ucla QB after Wayne Cooke is out for the year.

A redshirt freshman named Rob Walker will get first crack at it.  He
played most of the Fullerton game, looking competent for someone who
had suddenly been thrust into that position.  His passing was very weak,
but he didn't make a lot of bad mistakes, and, otherwise, the offense
seemed to run OK when he was in there.  Walker ran the scout team for
UCLA last year, so he has had very little experience with UCLA's own
offense.  Donahue says that Walker is the team's most improved player
since last spring.

If Walker is injured or a complete bust, UCLA has two promising freshmen
they were planning to redshirt, plus a senior transfer from UC Santa
Barbara.  Chances are one of the four will be at least adequate, but it
may take the Bruins some time to find out which one.  Cooke himself had
not thrown a pass in a college game before last Saturday, so UCLA wasn't
all that well off even with him.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: tesman@math.rutgers.edu (TESMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Dunkel's
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:08:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Does anyone know if the college Dunkel ratings are available
electronically?  Or is anyone willing to post them?  Thanks!

They are needed when you need to know the line for the 
Angelo State vs. Prairie View game this weekend, for example.

Thanks!

tesman@dickinson.edu
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: OUR FOOTBALL POLL - Entries Needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:46:52 GMT

Hey everyone,

I'd just like to remind you all to send in your top 25 picks every
week, Sunday through Tuesday to Bapi Gupta at c31801ag@wuvmd.wustl.edu
or c31801ag@wuvmd.bitnet .  The format is like Chris Stassen's :
# $
# Miami, Florida
# Washington
(etc. until 25)

That's all you need to do.  Results come out on Wednesdays.  There were
20 submissions last week, I'm sure we could get a lot more.  Thanks.
							
							Peder



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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: QB situation at PSU?
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:26:30 GMT

John Johnson <JXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>    Look for Wally Richardson and three of our redshirt freshmen runningbacks
>to lead the offense to great things in two or three years.

   It's great to know Wally Richardson played so well.  He led my alma
mater (Sumter, SC High) to a couple of state-championship games and 
twenty-eight or so straight wins, and he was the most highly recruited 
player ever at Sumter, the school which produced Wally's dad, Walt 
Richardson, Terry Kinard, Dexter Davis and Freddie Solomon.  He has quite 
a lot of potential, and we were sick to see him go north last recruiting
season.  More power to Penn State!
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: ACC Games this week.
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:05:45 GMT

In article <10674@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> marsden@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
>In article <BuBwBH.3st@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
>>
>>9/12/92 Games and Predictions
>>-----------------------------
>>FLORIDA STATE AT CLEMSON: Defintely the game of the week and it
>>may decide the conference champion early on. I think Clemson will be
>>very fired up to prove that FSU is not going to come into the ACC
>>and roll over them. FSU won by 27 points last week, but there were some . . .
>
>And I think all of the ACC basketball teams thought the same thing.  Do I
>need to remind you what happened?  FSU is far from intimidated by the other
>ACC football teams.
>
>>Clemson 17 Florida State 16
>
>My prediction of the game is that FSU will either win BIG (a la the Michigan
>game last year) or it will be a one or two point game either way.

WOW. Someone from FSU that I agree with.  The Noles are going to blow Clemson
away or it's going to be a real squeaker....

>Jonathan Marsden
>(marsden@cs.fsu.edu)


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Faulk, 299 yds rushing vs. BYU
Date: 15 Sep 92 06:27:07 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com wrote:
}
}Either you know Mark and are sort of joking here or you don't know him
}at all.  If you had read many of his articles (usually backed up with
}good stats) in this group you'd know he's not some sort of WAC fan (or
}fanatic).  More likely he might have a chip on his shoulder AGAINST
}Penn St. 

Actually I have a chip on my shoulder against ignorance and bigotry,
but I can see how that could easily be mistaken for Penn State. ;->

-- 
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 "What will happen in the evening in the forest with the weasel with
  the teeth which bite so sharp when you're not looking in the evening?"
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Heisman favorite
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:14:42 CDT

In article <1992Sep10.185518.7989@dg-rtp.dg.com> cole@farmhand.rtp.dg.com (Bill Cole) writes:
>I've been hearing NBC flogging their role as the purveyor of Notre Dame
>footbal and, frankly, I'm a bit miffed.  Since when is Rick Mirer the
>'favorite for the Heisman'?  Not only is this misleading, it's another
>attempt by the media to create a Heisman winner out hype rather than
>what happens on the field.  Mirer has two things going for him: he's
>at Notre Dame and NBC is willing to make the 'favorite' even if he
>never completes another pass.

Mirer is a good QB, and at a passing-oriented school (e.g. Purdue) he might
have put up the numbers to be a Heiseman winner.  However, he just won't do
it at Notre Dame.  Now if the Irish go undefeated, win the MNC, and Mirer
has good efficiency numbers (i.e. a high completion percentage and a low
interception ratio), he may be a favorite.  But yes, this is media hype.

I would think that Bettis might have a better chance of winning, and I
would hype him more that Mirer, but...

I think after last night that Faulk may be the favorite.  With the WAC
schedule, he will certainly be able to get the yards necessary, so a
good game against UCLA might do it for him.  Just think, if the NFL stops
taking underclassmen (we never know where this will go), Faulk could be
a 3-time Heiseman winner.  If he does win, however, I doubt if he hangs
around for his full tenure.

Brian
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Purdue Goalposts
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:42:32 GMT

In article <BuJEtM.H6I@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> clammemb@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (matt) writes:
>How much does it cost to replace a set of goalposts!  

About $5000.  Coors paid for the replacements at Folsom Field when
Colorado beat Nebraska in '86 and '89, and I suspect they'll gladly pay
it again.
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Virginia Tech
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:35:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.021756.29350@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dew6c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep14.182304.8364@walter.bellcore.com>, kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) writes:
|> > Well, that's what makes the VT-UVa rivalry different.  UVa has not won The
|> > Game several years in a row.
|> 
|> Virginia *has* been rather dominant in the series, though, don't you think?

Again, no.  See Michael's post for overall series numbers.

|> One other thing...  Haven't you guys figured it out yet? 
                               ^^^^^^^^
According to other Wahoos, I'm not so sure if you have even "figured it out".

|> It isn't UVa...
|> 
|> 	It's  UVA!!!

Fine, UVA!!! it is.  However, I don't know if the UMASS!!! people are going 
to like that too much.  Something to do with infringing on copyrights...

|>      - Dallas

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Any confirmation? (Re: Hmmm Texas to Big 10!!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:18:45 GMT

So, interesting thread, but the initial question has
yet to be answered...

Has anyone, other than the original poster, heard some
official comment or info from a reputable news source
about this?

Being an alum of UofIL, and living in Austin, I like
the idea of Texas moving to the Big 10..11..12, whatever...

Makes you sort of wonder what Mackovic had to do with
it, if anything at all.


Maybe they should just call it the Big Conference...forget
the number bit.

--mike


Michael Miller                     |
Motorola - Semiconductor           | Believe you me, I speak for myself only!
millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com        |
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: t.u. is leaving the SWC? Info anyone?
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:51:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep9.151047.9677@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> Just heard that t.u is leaving the SWC for the Big 10. Anyone hear this one?
>  

Hey Randy,

It's time to list Texas in your Big 10 standings.

(IT'S A JOKE FOLKS.)


-- 
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Subject: Re: What is a Boilermaker?
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:05:21 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <192thcINNdr2@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, laura@sdd.hp.com (Laura Mansfield) writes:
> Like it says in the subject line...
> 
> What is a Boilermaker?
> 
> Laura Mansfield
> 
> 
One who makes trains, right?

I think it's from their tradition as an engineering school.  I could be 
wrong.

-- 


Jeffery D. Webb

JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU
University Of Kansas


Do you choose what I choose?  More alternatives
Energy derives from both the plus and negative
	--Metallica

Anytime that the nine wanna leave, I got a .38 hidden up the sleave,
And it's ready to go to war, 'cause that's what it's here for
It took down a million niggaz and'll shoot one more.
And that's a million and one that couldn't hand with the appetite
Cause they wasn't rappin right
So I had to destroy, whoever was standing in my prescense
And fucking with the escense:  Appetite For Desruction.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: UCLA/BYU Questions
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:35:26 GMT

In article <192ljqINNc3j@spica.usc.edu> valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>
>>What is the quarterback situation at UCLA?  Did one get hurt last saturday?
>
>The situation is questionable at best. Wayne Cook tore-up his knee in the first
>half and will require surgery. It is unlikely that he will return at all this
>season.

On the other hand, Cook was practically an untested quarterback going
into the season, and UCLA does have some excellent quarterback prospects.
Also, Kevin Williams was not injured, and BYU obviously has problems 
defending against the run, as well as the pass.  Nothing much looked
wrong with UCLA's running game, even after Cook was injured.

>>How did UCLA look against Cal St. Fullerton?
>
>They looked like a team that is definatley overrated. The weeks ahead should
>bring them back to earth.

At around #15, they looked about right, for an opening game with a first time
starting quarterback who got injured less than half way into the game.
I expect them to improve in the weeks ahead, not look worse.

>>Could I get a feel of how this weekends matchup will be between UCLA and BYU
>>from someone that saw both games?  
>
>Since BYU is playing at home, UCLA's QB Wayne Cook is out for the season due
>to a knee injury, I would definatley favor the Cougars.

I think you're wrong.  BYU showed no defense in their game against SDSU,
while the Bruin defense looked OK, most of the time.  Not perfect, but OK.
What's been lost with Cook is pretty much only the fact that he practiced
with the first team for several weeks.  The other quarterbacks are nearly
as good (or possibly better) than Cook.  It's not like it was Tommy Maddox
who went down.

>>How is UCLA's defense?
>
>Well the Bruins will have to wait and play somebody first until a realistic
>judgement can be made. Perhaps BYU or SDSU will shine a light on this.

Given that most of the defensive starters from last year return, including 
the best players, and that the defense was pretty good last year, and didn't 
look bad against Fullerton, I'd say it would be a reasonable guess that 
they'll be pretty good this year.

It's also worth noting that the UCLA special teams looked quite good.
Sean LaChapelle looked especially good returning punts.  I think UCLA
will be comfortable in games where the victory comes down to whose special
teams play better.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale Douglas)
Subject: Re: ND vs FSU
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:24:29 GMT

In article <karen.aberli.1-100992142550@aberlimac.adminis.nd.edu>, karen.aberli.1@nd.edu (Karen Aberli) writes:
|> In article <BuDBu9.Fu0@news.larc.nasa.gov>, ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov
|> (Daring Dale Douglas) wrote:
|> > 
|> > 
|> > |>
|> > |> In article <BuBsEt.1FC@news.larc.nasa.gov>
|> > |> ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale Douglas) writes:
|> > |>
|> > |>> Add FSU to the list of teams that ALWAYS beat Notre Dame.
|> > |>> 2-0 and still counting.  See ya in '93 and '94.
|> > |>                ^^^^^^^^


Make that 1-0 and still counting.


|> > |> Is that how well they teach counting at FSU?  I'd like to see
|> > |> you post the years and scores of these 2 victories.  I only
|> > |> see 1981 in which FSU beat ND 19-13.
|> >
|> > 
|> > -- 
|> > =====================================================
|> I check the Notre Dame Football Media Guide.  Notre Dame and Florida State
|> have played only once, 1981.
|> 
|> Karen Aberli

Thank you all for straightening that out.  OK, so I must have been thinking 
about Ohio State or some other such team.  They say the memory is the second
thing to go.  Let me admit my goof and get out of here.

Anyway, the '93 and '94 games should be good.  I believe ND and FSU are also
scheduled to play two more games after that (maybe '98 and '99).   Can't wait.

Dale


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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hmmm  Texas to Big 10!!!
Keywords: n
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:21:04 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Sep10.182235.20518@news.eng.convex.com> dwray@convex.com (Daryl Wray) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.172644.5885@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:

[Texas, Texas A&M, Houston, Texas Tech -> Big 8]

>Let's swap Tulsa for Missouri while we're at it.

Before Jay went off on his grand plan, when the premise of this
speculation was that Texas was going to the Big 10, I was thinking that
Tulsa would be a good addition to the Big 8 if A&M was going to join.
I'm still not sure Tulsa wouldn't be better than Tech (except for
geographical balance), but I think dropping Missouri would be a big
mistake:

1. Basketball.

2. It looks like an improvement now, but Mizzou has a strong football
   tradition (CU's coach McCartney played on their '61 (?) Orange Bowl
   team), and they'll be back.

3. Basketball.

4. Missouri could end up in the Big 10, which would make it tough for
   Big 8 schools to recruit the state in general, and St. Louis in
   particular.

5. Basketball.
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings and Predictions for 9/12/92
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:28:36 GMT

acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:

>>I also think that my algorithm proves it legitimacy in how it performs in
>>picking winners and picking against the spread.  My rankings went
>>16-11-2 against the spread and 21-7-1 picking winners in the first week
>>and 27-15-0 against the spread and 26-14-2 picking winners this weekend.
>> 

>However, I differ with Kevin's emphasis on predicting winners; not because 
>I don't think that's a valid test, but just because it smacks of the Vegas-
>style gambling rags that make picks on football every week.

What test would you recommend for seeing how "good" a ranking system is?
The tests I can think of would be:

	Predicting Winners
	Record against the spread
	RMS deviation between predicted scores and actual scores
	The above three except make the current ranking have a "best fit" for
		all games played so far.

Let me know what you think.  I have tried to do well in all of the above.

Kevin
>>Kevin
>>schmke@cco.caltech.edu
>>-- 

>R Dendy

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