HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: A Question
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:19:47 GMT

In article <l0t1a#b@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
>
>  I have a simple question:
>
>  If you _knew_ you had to break up with your SO, no way out, would you want
>to have an exact date, or not?  And what would you do before the imminent
>breakup?
>
Check the handguns :-)

Seriously, a lot of this depends on whether you live with the person or not,
where things get very logistical.   Actually, I'm not clear on your question
would you want to have an exact date.  A date you decide on but don't tell
you SO till then or a mutually agreed upon date?

I would think a mutual date would be a very weird thing to do unless the
relationship was relatively casual.  Like if you were in school and said
let's date till the end of the school year or something.  But assuming
is a serious relationship (or was) since yoy use the term SO,  I wouldn't
recommend a mutal date, *especially* if your SO is not going to want
the relationshio to end.  Th e only reason I can think of why she would
agree to a future date would be to hope that she can change your mind
in the meantime.  This can make things *very* weird.

As Nike says:  "Just do it."  This is assuming that you're clear about the
reasons you want to leave it and that you've been talking with your SO
all along if there were things not working well.  I personally don't
think much of anyone who just leaves a serious relationship with not
talking about things and seeing if what's going on is worth working on.

David S.




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Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles
From: daniel@clsi.COM (Daniel Barclay)
Subject: Re: net.hugs?
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
	<1992Nov17.192506.24522@netcom.com> <8cx16zg@rpi.edu>
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:06:26


Christopher Jon Petit writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.192506.24522@netcom.com>, aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
> |> In article <31517@hydra.Helsinki.FI> taina@cs.Helsinki.FI (Juha Taina) writes:
> |> >
> |> >I'd like to ask why people share *hugs* and *kisses* on the net.  What
> |> >is the value of them?  Would you also hug and kiss a stranger in real
> |> >life?

>   I think people don't *HUG* each other nearly enough.  We all NEED to be
> touched.  That's what's wrong with the U.S.  We're too selfish to touch other
                                                         ^^^^^^^
> people and acknowledge that we DO need other people's attention and affection.
> So, we use the only 'acceptable' way to need someone---when you're in love.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^
I hadn't heard of selfishness as a cause.  Do you really think so?  I thought 
it was that most people weren't used to or comfortable with non-"in-love" hugs 
or needs that much.  



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Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Getting Married: Grounds for Insanity Plea?
From: s341031@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au (Kerryn Pridgeon, Melbourne Uni, Australia)
Date: 24 Nov 92 10:54:02 GMT

>In article <198@cnmhnet.UUCP>, keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>> In article <stone.721680394@cwis> stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone) writes:
>>>Can anyone give me (a minimum) of three good, logical reasons
>>>why people should marry?  It strikes me as a silly and unnecessary
>> I couldn't agree more, Travis.  I could never figure out
>> why people marry either, for the same reasons you described.

While there maybe plenty of reasons why people *don't* marry, there are even
more reason why they *DO* !!!
(And I am sure that they have already been discussed at great length on this
board before)

>> I looked at it like this; I figured that marriage was for life,
>> and I notice that the average life expectancy is 75 years old.
>> That would mean that if one gets married at age 20, then they
>> would be stuck with one person for 55 years!  I just know
>> that they would have to get bored with each other.  That is 

Well, there is a simple solution to that little problem then isn't there ?
Don't get married at 20 !  Besides, if you love someone enough, then the 
prospect of spending 55 or more with them is a very rewarding one !!!!

>> why I really didn't worry about marriage.  I liked getting
>> different women, and if one doesn't work out, I just move
>> on.  Things are so much simpler that way.  However, if you

Well, I just hope that, in your wanderings, you don't pick someone who wants
long-term committments, or someone who thinks that you are "it", b/c with
that attitude, you can only end up hurting a lot of people !

>> do meet someone who you want to have some type of long-term
>> relationship with, the living-together syndrome is a viable
>> alternative, but it has it's drawbacks.  Example, in some
>> states, even though the two people are living together without
>> the benefit of marriage, if the relationship fails, then it
>> is possible for one partner to sue the other under the
>> infamous "palimony" statutes.
                                                         
That is a pretty pessimistic view to take !!!!!!
You seem to be under the impression that the relationship *will* break up no 
matter what happens.

>> --Keith

Kerryn.

S341031@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
From: fy03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Francis J. Yenca)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: H*ll of a situation!
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:39:58 GMT
	<17524@borg.cs.unc.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Cynthia Pettit writes:

[good stuff deleted]

>Works for me...

Yeah, me too!

Frank
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: net.hugs?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:45 GMT

In article <PRAUDA.92Nov18000038@dol-guldur.hut.fi> prauda@dol-guldur.hut.fi (Kristiina Prauda) writes:
>>In <13NOV92.21925419.0026@lafibm.lafayette.edu> CE42@lafibm.lafayette.edu (CE42000) writes:
>>>>I too am new to this news group so hi, y'all.  I was ungraciously dumped
>>>Hi! *hug* and welcome to ARC!
>>
>>I'd like to ask why people share *hugs* and *kisses* on the net.  What
>>is the value of them?  Would you also hug and kiss a stranger in real
>>life?
>
>But there is also a difference between people who write on the net and 
>people you meet in the street: for one, the passers-by don't come to you 
>to ask advice on their love lives... :-) The net is more like a group of
>people who share some things - interest in the computer networks, in
>computers in general, and in groups like alt.romance, interest in the
>more romantic side of life. When you post, you are in a way seeking a
>place in that group, and the hugs are a way for people to show you that
>they welcome you and hope that you will feel comfortable and realize
>that they truly wish to support you - if only by words from the other
>side of the world. 
>
>And this is even more literally true of alt.romance.chat, the group
>where these posts seem to have appeared (I do not remember the 
>specific posts myself, but ARC means alt.romance.chat - by someone
>who has already been reading it for a while). ARC is more or less
>just a group of romantically inclined friends, who send *hugs* and
>*kisses* to each other all the time, because they would probably give
>them to each other in real life, as well (and have really done so, 
>from what I hear about the various ARC Chat meetings...). In such an
>inside group, it is even more important to make new posters feel 
>welcome, which is why the hugs and kisses for them, too. 
>
>Cleared anything? :-)

Yea my stomach. =:)
 
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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: stevie@soda.berkeley.edu (Steven Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Misc. T
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:39:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu (Brian Panulla, MooCow) writes:
>My impression was that for most of TMBG's existance (pre-FLood) their albums
>were in the "Misc T" section of the record store shelves. Only recently did
>stores start giving them their own section. That's why I was confused when
>someone tacked a "Rex" onto the end of it. Unfortunately, I don't own the
>album.
>
>Can someone confirm whether or not the "Rex" is on the album?

Yes.

Someone was just making a little esoteric joke that ended up confusing
people.  You gotta understand that a lot of people, like me, just have
to throw in little obscure cultural references, wherever we can,
inappropiate or no.  Anyway,  I have the CD in front of me and the
full title is "Miscellaneous T The B Side / Remix Compilation".  no
Rex.

Steven.

Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Subject: Re: Mammal
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:04:30 GMT

In article <1=F=2TA@engin.umich.edu> turtle@engin.umich.edu (Matthew M Edwards ) writes:
>In the song Mammal....
>Thier names are called, they raise a paw
>the bat, the cat, dolphin and dog, koala bear and hog
>
>I thought koala bears were Marsupials?  (Referenced later in song)

I think that marsupials are a sub-set of mammals.

I believe the big four are: Birds, Fish, Mammals, and Reptiles
(Maybe Amphibians are a fifth?)


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From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver (The Weeniehead))
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Mammal
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:59:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1=F=2TA@engin.umich.edu> turtle@engin.umich.edu (Matthew M Edwards ) writes:
>
>
>In the song Mammal....
>
>Thier names are called, they raise a paw
>the bat, the cat, dolphin and dog, koala bear and hog
>
>I thought koala bears were Marsupials?  (Referenced later in song)
>
>Am I missing something?  Am I just being stupid?


	Marsupials are an order of mamillia.  They ARE mammals.  So are
monoremes (sp), like the Echidna and platypus.
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From: degroomp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Other TMBG-ish groups
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:14:52 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Some other bands which are TMBG-ish are even mentioned on Flood
in Twisting they are very good and very funny....
	In Case you don't know they are the Dbs and the Young Fresh
	Fellows... Bothe are highly reccomended by me.


	Matt
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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Box set
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:06:13 GMT

Can you imagine a TMBG boxed set?  I don't know how many "normal" songs fit in
a "normal" boxed set, but TMBG could probably fit tons in.  I mean, at some
point there should be a compilation of all their stuff, even if it's only from
the Dial-A-Songs, or B-sides, or whatever.  For all us fanatics.

Heck, I'd even buy a CD player for that express purpose.

Assuming I had the money.  Nah, I'd mortage my(hypothetical)kids for it.

Also by the way--this has been mentioned on the mailing list, but I haven't
seen it here yet...the Canadian band The Barenaked Ladies are a band that most
They fans will enjoy.  They have a similar quirky sense of humour, although
there are, I think, five of them, which gives them a fuller sound.  (I think of
them because they have a very funny song called "Box Set"...)  Their first and
only album is called Gordon.

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From: peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Penny E. Breyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: The original "Able was I" palindrome
Keywords: Napoleon's Lament
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:19:25 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


The original palidrome that J&J adapted for I Palindrome I
was:

	Napoleon's Lament:
		Able was I ere I saw Elba.

At least, that's where I think they got it from!

Penny Breyer.
peb2g@fulton.seas.virginia.edu

P.S. A personal message to Andrew Grumet:  Seen Cuppa lately?
	Tell him I said hello!
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: Ben.Magid@launchpad.unc.edu (Ben Magid)
Subject: Re: "They"s Albums??
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:47:30 GMT

>I can post the lyrics if you wish.
>
>-Andy Weiskopf
> ST891425@pip.cc.brandeis.edu

I wish. Thanks

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From: Bo Orloff <bo@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:10 PST
Subject: Re: The face?
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twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>Weird. Here's what Random House had: 
>
>   White, William A(lanson) (1870-1937), US psychiatrist, b.
Brooklyn, 
>   N.Y. He was superintendent of St Elizabeth's Hospital in
Washington, 
>   D.C., from 1903 to 1937. He was a pioneer in the establishment
of 
>   psychiatric training and research, and he helped
psychoanalytic theory 
>   to gain acceptance in the United States. Among his works are
Essays 
>   on Psychopathology (1925); Insanity and the Criminal Law
(1923); and 
>   Crimes and Criminals (1933).


Weird indeed. This is the wrong William A. White. The one in the Giants'
videos, etc. is William Allen White the journalist from Emporia, KS.

-Bo

Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: n029gg@tamuts.tamu.edu (Adam Roach)
Subject: Re: TMBG - Texas 
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:19:05 GMT

In article <19NOV199214281124@sigma.tamu.edu> jgh2457@sigma.tamu.edu (HUBBLE, JEREMY GROBERG) writes:
>
>On other subjects, did anyone else see TMBG in Texas?
>

Yep; I saw them at the Vatican in Houston. Great show, but the fire marshall
came and closed it down 45 minutes after the band took the stage. I was
_so_ pissed...

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Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
From: Ben.Magid@launchpad.unc.edu (Ben Magid)
Subject: Re: Tonight Show
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:12:11 GMT

In article <1751600004@igc.apc.org> Bo Orloff <bo@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>osa@wilbur.unh.edu writes:
>
>>Does anyone know when they are gonna appear on the Tonight Show?
>I seem to
>>remember it was November 19, but can't be sure.
>
>The Giants were scheduled to appear on the Tonight Show on 11/19 but
>this appearance has been cancelled.
>
>-Bo Orloff
> TMBG Information
>

If anyone hears anything about it being re-scheduled then please post it.
		Thanks
		Ben

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From: clare@aero.org (Clare Waterson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Song Meanings
Date: 20 Nov 1992 11:31:25 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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First, aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey) wrote:
> ObTMBG: I think that "We Want A Rock" is about headbangers and their
> music, and "Pencil Rain" is about vicious bureaucracy.  Anybody else?

Then, kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) wrote:
Pencil Rain seems to be about Vietnam (or some other war) in which
the bullets were falling like rain.  (They're made of ... lead! :-)  )

And then, mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) wrote:
> Hmm... then why were they "looking out for No. 2"?  This would seem to
> indicate No. 2 pencils.  I dunno.  I think it's just about an army
> getting creamed by falling pencils.  (Does anybody know if the Morse
> code in the background spells anything in particular?)

Gee, I can't resist:

WE WANT A ROCK -- Pro freedom for the pursuit of happiness.  Plus
	pun on "We want to rock".
PENCIL RAIN -- War with critics.  My favorite part is "They look out
	for #2", where the #2 refers to the pencils the critics use.
	In addition the line can have an entirely different meaning
	of watching out for those who could challenge you for your
	#1 position.
PARTICLE MAN -- I picture a small child playing with superhero 
	dolls, singing the song.  Holds up Triangle Man and Particle
	Man, makes them fight, Triangle wins, yay.  Kid thinks the
	Person man is stupid and boring.  Universe man is too powerful
	to be any fun to play with.

-- Clare

			"Who did you think I would be?
			Ha!  Well you got me instead" 
				-- Concrete Blonde
From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: Misc. T
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:26:57 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Steven Collins (stevie@soda.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: Anyway,  I have the CD in front of me and the
: full title is "Miscellaneous T The B Side / Remix Compilation".  no
: Rex.

	Ah, but if you take out the "mi"... naw, never mind. :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:48:30 -0500 
From: Joshua John Buergel <jbbb+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Other TMBG-ish groups

>Some other bands which are TMBG-ish are even mentioned on Flood
>in Twisting they are very good and very funny....
>	In Case you don't know they are the Dbs and the Young Fresh
>	Fellows... Bothe are highly reccomended by me.

One quick clarification:  the TVs are mentioned, not the Dbs.  I haven't
heard either of them though.

As for the Fellows, they are the most criminally overlooked band from
Seattle nowadays.  You'd think that with eighteen million record company
reps running around up there, one of them would have taken note of the
Fellows (or the Fastbacks, for that matter).  Anyway, the Fellows just
released their seventh LP, _It's Low Beat Time_.  It is quite good, but
not quite as good as their brilliant albums _The Men Who Loved Music_
and _This One's For The Ladies_.  I'd recommend either of these albums
to any TMBG fans (especially the CD release of _The Men Who Loved
Music_, which includes the EP _Refreshments_).  The CD that has both of
their first albums, _The Beautiful Sounds Of The Pacific Northwest_ and
_Topsy Turvey_ is also quite good.

Joshua Buergel - allroy@cmu.edu - jbbb@andrew.cmu.edu
"Anybody who thinks we overstepped the playground perimeter of lyrical
decency (or that the public has any right to demand 'social
responsibility' from a goddamn punk rock band) is a pure natural dolt,
and should step forward and put his tongue up my ass." - Steve Albini
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 22:33:44 EST
From: <IO20650@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Re: B-sides

In article <1e8v0qINNakm@agate.berkeley.edu>, stevie@soda.berkeley.edu (Steven
Collins) says:
>
> <IO20650@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>
>>>Misc. T contains every pre-Flood B-side.
>>>
>>It doesn't contain all of the pre-Flood B-sides, as a matter of fact, it
>>doesn't contain most of the pre-Flood B-sides.
>
>As much as I would like to believe this, I'm afraid i'm going to have
>to require more concrete evidence.
>
Well, just look at the first tape's B-side.  Misc. T doesn't have Chess Piece
Face, or Absolutly Bills Moood, or Boat of Car.  And what about Lincoln?  It
certinly doesn't have most of it's side B, although off hand, I can't recall
any of the songs on it...
From: christian@Turing.ORG (Christian Claiborn)
Subject: Re: Misc. T
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:13:15 GMT

In article <1e7moaINN64o@agate.berkeley.edu> stevie@soda.berkeley.edu (Steven Collins) writes:
>Yes.
>
>Someone was just making a little esoteric joke that ended up confusing
>people.  You gotta understand that a lot of people, like me, just have
>to throw in little obscure cultural references, wherever we can,
>inappropiate or no.  Anyway,  I have the CD in front of me and the
>full title is "Miscellaneous T The B Side / Remix Compilation".  no
>Rex.

Ah, but it is.
If you look REAL closely at the album, you'll notice that the letters
R, E, and X are slightly enlarged.
I rest my case.  They are dinophiles.

					Christian
					Lying
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From: dbodoh@flute.mitre.org (David Bodoh)
Newsgroups: alt.music.tmbg
Subject: Birdhouse in your soul
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: dbodoh@flute.mitre.org (David Bodoh)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va

I am in desperate search of a "Birdhouse In Your Soul" CD
single.  Has anyone ever seen such an animal?  I saw one
advertised a looong time ago, but failed to get it.


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