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From: psr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Lord Strider of the Hill People)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: tarot readings for profit
Summary: Motive...
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:15:09 GMT
Organization: UB

I don't plan on making a living off of tarot cards so I can afford my policy.
I never charge for a reading for a good reason... motive.
I don't have the ulterior motive of making money off of making you happy with
my reading.  This enhances the believability of the reading and allows the 
questioner to be more open and responsive.
Like I said, though, I don't plan on making this my carreer.
-Strider


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Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:731 talk.politics.mideast:20659
From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Babi Yar & The Jews of Kiev...            
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:56:22 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Keywords: Babi Yar,Kiev,Radomski,Syrets

In article <1992Sep30.120111.7669@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
>"Kiev ... contained a Jewish population of 175,000 on the eve of the Nazi
>invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. The Nazi forces captured the city in
>mid-September; within less than a fortnight, on the 29th. and 30th., nearly
>34,000 Jews of the ghetto were brought to a suburban ravine known as Babi
>Yar, near the Jewish Cemetary, where men, women, and children were
>systematically machine-gunned in a two-day orgy of execution. In subsequent
>months, most of the remaining population was exterminated.


I find it strange that you post this article in alt.revisionism.  Are
you implying that it is not true history?   Or are you just bored?
js
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: GANNON moves to GEnie...
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:41:56 GMT

In article <12774@cis.rand.org> karen@cis.rand.org (Karen Isaacson) writes:
*In article <1992Sep25.223243.11521@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
*>
*>Is it possible to send E-mail to someone on GEnie from USENET? If so,
*>what's the address of Dan "coward, liar, & Jew-hater" Gannon?

     <text omitted>

*If you write him, could you let us know if GEnie accepts the message?
*GEnie will send you a bounce message if he's not eligible.  The message
*doesn't make a lot of sense (I've tried sending myself e-mail from here
*to there, so I've seen one), but at least you know that the mail didn't
*get through...

     <text omitted>

I tried it and got a bounce message. (And the message, as you
promised, "doesn't make a lot of sense".) Thanks for the help.

-- Brad Pierce --
From: "john lovett" <john.lovett@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: holocaust almanac
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:37:37 EST
Reply-To: "john lovett" <john.lovett@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

  > From: dov@menora.weizmann.ac.il (Dov Grobgeld)

DG> paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
  > : Personally I think that hate merchants like the guy who keeps usenet
  > : clogged with his Holocaust Almanac are prime candidates for concentration
  > : camp guards. It is not justice or history that he is intersted in (he eve
  > : admits that publicly) but hatred, pure hatred of the same kind that cause
  > : the holocaust itself.

DG> [All his postings]
  > are connected with the executioners and the victims of the Holocaust.
  > Is it 'hatred' because you want to claim it didn't happen? Or that you
  > feel sorry about the Nazis for having their crimes exposed in all its
  > nausious detail?

DG> The only conclusion I draw from your letter, is to feel the importance
  > of Ken McKey's work even more than before.

You and the other Holocaustomaniacs have been spewing this drivel since
the end of World War Two, but people are finally beginning to realize
that it is nothing but a gigantic hoax, used as a moral club to beat
Christians over the head, and to help establish your racist state of
Israel.

The ride is almost over.  No matter how much of this stuff you and your
friends post, no matter how much phony moral indignation you work up
about the 'Holocaust', more and more people are becoming indifferent or
inimical to your propaganda, and more interested in Israel's torture
and murder of Arabs, its aggression against its neighbors, and why the
United States continues to prop up this thuggish state.

---
  SPEED 1.20 #1132  ****
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: karen@cis.rand.org (Karen Isaacson)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GANNON moves to GEnie...
Keywords: gannon
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: karen@cis.rand.org (Karen Isaacson)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <1992Sep25.223243.11521@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>
>Is it possible to send E-mail to someone on GEnie from USENET? If so,
>what's the address of Dan "coward, liar, & Jew-hater" Gannon?
>

Hi Brad,

The answer to your question?  Maybe.  GEnie has only recently been linked
to the Internet, but Internet e-mail is only available to folk who pay
$10/month plus $.40 a message for the privilege.  (I don't know if that's
outgoing, incoming, or all messages.)  I don't have a clue whether Gannon
would have been aware of this feature (it's not well publicized) and
if so, if he would have decided it was worth the money.  (Especially
since one can get Internet mail on Compuserve for so much less.)

But anyhow, IF he's signed up, then his address on GEnie would be
D.GANNON@genie.geis.com

If you write him, could you let us know if GEnie accepts the message?
GEnie will send you a bounce message if he's not eligible.  The message
doesn't make a lot of sense (I've tried sending myself e-mail from here
to there, so I've seen one), but at least you know that the mail didn't
get through...

Anyone interested in signing on to GEnie can get more info by calling
1-800-638-9636.  Though I'm hearing rumors that GEnie's about to pull
the plug on the discussion.

Karen
karen@rand.org
Karen

Internet: karen@rand.org
Bitnet: karen%rand.org@cunyvm
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:727 soc.history:8597
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Suggestion re mailing list
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:31:10 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada
Summary: Mailing list creation needed wrt Holocaust denial

I believe that it is time to establish a mailing list dedicated to providing
technical and moral <grin> support for those devoting their time to
combatting Holocaust deniers wherever they are found.

If you happen to think like I do, then you recognize the need for a
world-wire, topic-specific, communications medium. Holocaust denial is, or
certainly appears to _me_ to be, a well-co-ordinated, well-funded
international effort. 

The only effective way to deal with this reality is to provide factual
material on the same scale, imho, and a mailing list could do just that.

In the past 9 months, I have exchanged enormous amounts of mail on the
subject, and the level is rising, not falling. As some of you know, an
informal mailing list exists already, through the use of aliase lists.

I don't know what sort of environment others are working in - while I could
handle the list here, if I got the software compiled, some of you may
already have this capacity available - I don't care who does the work, as
long as it gets done. I think its time, and hereby solicit informal comments
and suggestions.

What say you?

-- 
The Old Frog's Almanac - Public Access UseNet for Central Vancouver Island
     (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Waffle XENIX 1.64
Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay)
                    < October 26th: voting NO >
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The Dutch occupation
From: murray@kiwi.gen.nz (Murray Keen)
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: murray@kiwi.gen.nz (Murray Keen)
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand

  This posting may not seen relevant to this area to start with, so please
bear with me.

 My Mother lived as a young Child in the Hague, Holland, during the German
occupation.
 When the kerfuffle about the V2 rocket 'anniversary' came across the news,
she said she remembered them very well. Being new technology and all, quite a
few failed on course for England and often they fell from the sky onto the
Hague, which was near the Peenemunde (sp?) launch site and under their flight
path to England.
 They would listen to the V2's passing overhead, and if the Engine stopped it
was time to find shelter. She says they sounded much higher pitched than the
V1. I thought this interesting as the V2 was a supersonic rocket bomb, but it
figures if they were subsonic at that point in their flight path.
 Anyway, when the Germans occupied Holland they took the Food reserves to
feed their Army, and the Farmers in her area at least took advantage of this
to raise their prices sky-high. People sold everything for food, and my
Mother remembers having to eat Tulip bulbs to survive. The supplement tablets
then were huge things and she hated having to swallow them, and as you can
imagine the diet didn't do much for her Health. Apparently the farmers
concerned recieved their just deserts the moment the Allied troops arrived.
 She also remembers a Jewish family in her street who went about their
business throughout the occupation; none were dragged off or harassed in any
way. I've asked her for more information about this aspect of the occupation,
but she doesent want to talk about it as she lived through it.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Violence update 26.9.92
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:16:32 GMT

Excerpted from article <SRE7LOK@math.fu-berlin.de> by
dww@inf.fu-berlin.de, who reports in soc.culture.german:

*Sachsenhausen (Brandenburg, near Oranienburg): Fire broke out in
*one of the museum barracks at this concentration camp on the outskirts
*of Berlin. Over half of the exhibition in this camp with the 
*motto on the entrance gate "Arbeit macht frei", which was visited by
*Rabin a few weeks ago, was destroyed. Luckily, the exponents are
*all duplicates, but the barracks and a bed that were originals were
*destroyed. There was no sign of arson found, and no painted slogans
*usually found at the scenes of politically motivated arson, but
*police are investigating. More than half of the 204,000 persons
*incarcerated here between 1936 and 1945 were killed or died as a
*result of the conditions in the camp. 


Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: holocaust almanac
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:11:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to "john lovett" <john.lovett@channel1.com>:
>You and the other Holocaustomaniacs ...

It seems that "Winston" has a new persona and a new location.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
    "My favorite phenomenon is when someone mails me or posts to this
     group, either calling me a newbie or telling me that my postings
     are not relevant to alt.non.sequitur."           -- Matt Welsh
Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:721 soc.history:8565
From: hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Cookies and Companies and MLM
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:12:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University!

I have worked with various companies in the past that did 'frontloading'
(when the best way to make a higher level is presented by the upline
to buy a bunch of product and then get a lower price from that moment on
and then the company either goes out of business or the person who bought
the product is stuck with a bunch of unsold rotting merchandise).

I used to be involved with the Phoenix cookie company a while ago and
when I got stuck with a bunch of product that didn't sell, I lost my
attitude on selling cookies.

Now the current day:

I am currently working with the Nutrition Express company as an independent
distributor and have been with them since Feb 1992.

The way they work things seems to me much better than the other companies I 
have seen in the past.  There is no frontloading, no breakaways, and no
HIGH monthly volume "needed" to get the benefits of a lower discount on the
products.  A one-time fee of $35 to get started (includes the manual,
2 videotapes, cassette tapes, and a well-done catalog) and no yearly renewal
fees.  They recommend that if a person starts with them, they should do
$40.00 per month of distributor cost to get most of the benefits, but even
that is not required to be working with the company.

I joined with them under some skeptism since I had been burned with other
companies in the past and was pleasantly surprised when I started to receive
a few checks after 3 months in the business (which totalled $50.00 of bonuses)
which were above and beyond my actual sales I had been doing.

Now back to the cookies!

I did not want to bother with buying ANY type of mlm-cookie after the       
experience with PHX so when I saw in the NEC catalog that one of the 200
products was a Nutricookie, I avoided it until a month ago.  

When I ordered the peanutbutter cookie, it tasted much better than the PHX
cookie (which surprised me) and also had the ingredient 'canola oil' in
it (which is supposed to make it last longer).  I recently ordered the 
chocchocchip cookie and WOW.... This tasted so good that even my friends
that I let try it wanted a box after they tasted it.  My sales have once  
again increased to where they should be.

(the cookie is a high-fiber no chloresterol no fat nutritious cookie that
can be great for weight control as well as a quick snack and retails for   
$1.50 or $0.90 wholesale in a box of 45 cookies that run $67.50 retail or
$40.50 wholesale)

Well enough rambling along.  I felt I should let the net know about this
so I could tell my views on it.  I have had much success with Nutrition Express
and I plan to continue.  If anybody needs info on it, they can email me for
a 1-800 number to call for a packet of info.

Hans Bechtel

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Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: MIHOLMSTROM@finabo.abo.fi (Mikael Holmstr|m Fei)
Subject: Hamilton MLM.
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:36:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Need info on MLM in US/UK called Hamiltons of Canterbury. If you have any
experience of this organisation, PLS E-Mail me (MIHOLMSTROM@finabo.abo.fi)
or post it to this newsgroup. (...and Santa will remember you for sure...)

HMH

(MIHOLMSTROM@finabo.abo.fi)




Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: hbechtel@luke.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel)
Subject: Nutrition Express adds another line!
Originator: hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:18:18 GMT

Nutrition Express recently added a new line of income possibilities.  In
addition to the 8 ways of income (retail sales, bonuses, car program, etc...)
they now have a long distance phone service.

Daytime calls = 16.5 cents per minute
after 6pm = 15 cents per minute
after 11pm, weekend, before 8am = 13 cents per minute

calling card surcharge 25 cents
calling card calling cost = 25 cents per minute

Distributors get paid 10% commission on ALL calls made by themselves and
other customers.

The $5.00 "switchover" fee is reinbursed by the company LC1.

(LC1 is the long distance company for this service)

The neat thing about this new service is that it makes all distributors
easily obtain the goal of downline ACTIVE distributors.

I realize that some long distance companies out there do have better
rates for the "past 6pm" time frame, but during the daytimes, this
seems to be a great deal.  It is a new service offered and I expect to
get more info on it soon.

Hans Bechtel
hbechtel@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca
Subject: network marketing
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:55:57 GMT

Does anyone do network marketing? Some people in my city are
doing something on an international scale, but I'm not sure what
it is, even to a vague degree. Would someone please enlighten
me?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: reb@punch.EBay.Sun.COM (Bob Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Nuskin
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:36:30
Organization: Systar Technologies, Inc.
	<1a98huINNstd@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<1992Sep29.165513.28206@odin.corp.sgi.com>
	<1ah48cINNgf3@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<1992Oct2.180029.10456@odin.corp.sgi.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: punch.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com's message of 2 Oct 92 18:00:29 GMT


>>>>> bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com (Bill Glazier) writes:

bill> Nntp-Posting-Host: buffalo.asd.sgi.com

bill> Though this hasn't been mentioned by either of us, you and I
bill> would both agree there needs to be tougher regulations and
bill> controls to monitor the potential for abuse.

I'm not sure I agree. I find that regulation often gives people a
false sense of security when checking out an opportunity. Look at the
problems regulation has cause in the securities industry. Have you
found that licensing in the Real Estate industry really produces more
competent agents?!

bill> But very few people really understand all the work that is
bill> required.

True, and many who would otherwise succeed can get scared off if they
knew what it really took to build the business up front--- just like
most of us would never have practiced our musical instruments if we
didn't have mom to push us a bit. (Remember the story about the
Clock who realize how many times it would tick in life--- had a nervous
breakdown!)

bill> The arguments most MLM'ers use in defense of their industry, as
bill> I know you observe, lack much thoughtful logic.  

Most?! And what qualifies someone to be an MLMer. In our business,
something like 30-40% of the people are "Active" and active is
defined VERY loosely.

bill> One point I would like to make which I haven't clearly expressed
bill> in earlier posts.  I find it unusual that very few MLM based
bill> products ever find there way eventually into retail stores.  

The founder of our MLM recently made a strong statement that he would
never allow the corporation to directly sell products nor would he
allow them to be sold via retail outlets. This is to protect our
position as distributors and not have us competing with big guys who
could easily but large quantities of product.

bill> Perhaps another way to say the same thing is to ask "if personal
bill> sales is so effective why haven't the vast majority of American
bill> industry stopped selling through its traditional channels and
bill> instead hired large numbers of individual people to sell
bill> direct?". 

Change is slow? However, it is happening. Look at Macys, Pennys,
Sears, etc.

bill> My opinions haven't changed about MLM.  I respect the well
bill> considered opinions of those, such as yourself, who defend the
bill> potential for good in the MLM industry.  

Guns don't kill, people do?  MLM doesn't defraud, people do! Hmmm.

bob
--
--Bob
Systar Technologies, Inc.		   Sun: robert.brown@EBay.Sun.COM
1712 Picasso Avenue, #B & #C            Office: reb@systar.com
Davis, California  95616		 Phone: (916) 753 - 2611
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk (B. Jones)
Subject: Yet more Network Marketing queries
Reply-To: bemj1@cl.cam.ac.uk (B. Jones)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:51:59 GMT

After much searching through various groups, I appear finally to have
found the correct one for my query:

Some friends of mine recently went to a presentation by AMWAY about
network marketing, and are interested in becoming agents (?).
Unfortunately I know close to nothing about the scheme, so does anyone
have any information about the scheme or the company, and particularly
even any experience about what is involved and what AMWAY is like, so
my friends can make an informed decision before they sign their lives
away...

Please Email me at the above address, so that everyone else on the
group doesn't get bored to tears (unless you have a story of epic
qualities!)

Many Thanks

Bernie Jones
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: AMWAY is giving the hard sell
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:20:24 GMT

An AMWAY rep told me that if I opened a McDonald's, I'd get so and
so percentage of the profits. However, if I sold products, I'd get
100% of the profits, and my contact would get 4%. It doesn't add up.
But profits can't be added, right?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: fritz@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Subject: Re: Nuskin
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:26:19 GMT

I'm not in Nu Skin, though I was for a short time.  I believe that gives me
a more solid base of information than Bill's, and I feel a need to correct 
some gross misinformation here.

Bill Glazier (bglazier@buffalo.asd.sgi.com) wrote:
> All I remember about NuSkin is from an experience 4-5 years ago.  A NuSkin
> convert tried to sell me some hair restoring shampoo.  The hysterical thing
> about this prouuct was that, according to the instructions, you were supposed
> to shampoo 3-4 times a day and use about 1/4 bottle per shampoo.  These were
> large size bottles, and ran about $13 each.  

Maybe things changed between 4-5 yrs ago and ~2 yrs ago, when I examined NS.
But at the time I was in the company, they had one product that was reputed
to help hair growth.  It was called Nutriol, and came in tiny bottles (about
1/2 oz or so).  You were supposed to use somewhere between 1/3 and 1 bottle
per day, depending on how much hair you had.  This stuff was expensive
(maybe $30/mo?  I forget), but certainly not $13 a day.

There was also a Nutriol shampoo that they recommended using with the Nutriol.
This was relatively expensive, maybe $13/bottle, but you just used a normal 
amount and only used it once a day.  One bottle would last me for months.

Either you're thinking of an entirely different product (which NS no longer
carried as of 1989), or your memory is a bit faulty.


> Nuskin was, and probably still is, another Utah based ripoff/scam sponsored
> by get-rich-quick artists.  They'll say anything to get your money.

Here I have to disagree strenuously.  I got out of NS because I felt the
business program was far too difficult for any reasonable person to succeed in.
But their products were and are superb, their business ethics are top-notch,
and overall they're an outstanding company.

There *were* a few distributors that took advantage of a few poorly-designed
aspects of the NS business plan to front-load a bunch of people.  This was
the cause of most of NS's publicity problems last year.  But the company
itself is one of the best I've ever seen.

It really annoys me when people pass judgement on a company, and publicly
spout their misinformed opinions as gospel truth, based on hazily-remembered
(and most likely incorrectly-formed in the first place) opinions developed
4 or 5 years ago.  It's unfounded invective like this that gives the general
public a bad perception of a lot of fine companies.  

I'd suggest you be a bit careful about tossing around such libellous 
statements.  If *I* were Nu Skin, I'd sue your butt off.

Gary