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From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Organization: none
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:46:57

In article <1992Jul21.214930.8039@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:

>    A pawl seems to be sticking intermittently on my rear SunTour 600 cluster.
>   I figured leaving it in a bucket of white gas with some moderate agitation
>   would clean up the problem.
>    I just wanted to get some quick international feedback on the advisability
>   of this idea.

Dumb. Citrasolve cleans as well as white gas without the health risk
or environmental impact.
From: wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Extending speedo wire
Keywords: tandem, computer
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:38:09 GMT

We've got one of the new Specialized bike computers (similar to an
Avocet or Vetta) and it is my thought to mount it on the stoker bars 
of our tandem rather than the front bars (imagined benefits: safer for 
the stoker to be looking at it, gives the stoker "more to do", whatever.)

My question is as follows.  The wire connecting the magnetic pickup assembly
to the mounting bracket is too short to reach from any suitable mounting 
point (front fork or rear chainstay) to the desired location for the 
mounting bracket on the stoker bars.  If I cut the wire and splice in a 
piece of similar wire by soldering it and sealing it with heat shrink tubing, 
do you think the signal will still be sufficient to drive the computer?
Has anyone else done this?  I have a feeling I have seen computers mounted
on stoker bars (or on both bars) before but I can't remember for sure.  
I don't want to cut up the wire harness (such as it is) if it just plain 
isn't going to work.

Wade Blomgren
wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mly@atalanta.parc.xerox.com (Richard Mlynarik)
Subject: Re: Gearing upgrade
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:12:22

In article <1992Jul16.121711.13512@terminator.cc.umich.edu> pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:

   In article <NZeZNB1w163w@gcarter> gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:
   > If a half-step plus granny front derailleur (narrow inside plate)
   > exists on the market, I (and probably many other people) would 
   > appreciate the brand/model and supplier.  These were widely 
   > available in the early eighties.

   Shimano, I know at least up to last year, makes two different
   versions of their Deore XT front derailleur in terms of gearing
   application.  [...]  There is, however, another version that they
   call "half-step" [...]  What needs to happen is the retailer
   needs to call the distributor (to whom Shimano will sell direct)
   and ask for a drop-shop from Shimano.  Then the retailer needs to
   call Shimano's tech line and find out part number and availability
   and give that information to the distributor. [...]

Shimano still makes half-step Deore XT derailleurs for both 1 1/8 and
1 1/4 tubes.  They used to make DX half-step for 1 1/8 only.  I am
sure they are still available.

[I don't have the part numbers handy, but if you're in the US it is
moderately likely your shop orders from Quality Bicycle Products,
whose order numbers for these parts are FD8202 (XT 1 1/8), FD8208 (XT
1/4) and FD8111 (DX 1 1/8).   Expect to pay $30-$40 retail.]
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:37:10 GMT

John Black writes:

> Unfortunately, a lot of these numbers don't really give a true feeling for the
> climb since, for example, a climb could be 10% for 10km and then 2% for 10km
> and I would list it as "6% for 20km" which completely loses the killer 10km 10
> section in the numbers.  But I thought it contained some useful information
> nonetheless, so I decided to post it.

This is as bad as repeating a rumor you know to be without foundation, the
information is at least as bad as your example.  The Galibier should show
a final ascent of 13% on the south and 8% on the north where it masquerades
as the Telegraph for half of its climb.  The same is true of nearly all of
the climbs listed.  I have not experienced them all but the ones I have
ridden are completely misleading from this table.

Classic in this respect is Sonora Pass in California that is extremely steep
with 20% grades but also an approach of 100 miles from Sonora (city) which
when averaged results in 7400 ft in 1000 miles.  A real pussycat of a ride
when seen that way.  Sonora is truly the beginning of the climb with many
false summits and valleys on the way to the 9600 ft summit.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:53:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.233400.29566@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>What I'd like to know is how cyclists know how fast they are going? I mean,
>how many cyclists have speedometers on their bikes? I certainly don't. I can
>only judge an average of how fast I'm going by taking the length of the route
>I travel, and how fast it takes me to travel it. 

Well, I have a speedometer now; but even before I did, I had a pretty
good idea how fast I was going.  (As you say, you learn how long it
takes to cover specific distances.)

But what is the point of the speed limits on the bike path?  Since
there's no real enforcement, I'd say they mainly send a message to
cyclists:  Hey, remember you're sharing this path with slower users, so
take it easy, OK?

I do not obey the speed limits, but I don't ignore them either:  when
I'm going over the speed limit I realize that I *am* fully responsible
for the results of my action, that I can be held liable for any
problems.  So I'm careful, and accept that I may have to slow down if
there are people "in my way" (since these people have as much right to
be there as I do).  I try to do the same when driving, but there's
something about being in a car that makes it very easy to get mad at
"that moron who's only driving at 70 in a 60 zone!"

It helps to think of the roads and paths the same way we do with other
shared services - can you imagine going into the bank and pushing and
swearing at the people who are in line ahead of you?  Yet people
regularly do this when driving or cycling.  The difference is, we don't
believe we own the bank; many of us do believe we own the road.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:16:59 GMT

gavind@physiol.su.OZ.AU (Gavin Dixon) writes:

>Good win by Cathy Watts in the individual women's road race. Have the others ever heard of tactics ??? 8-) The three Australians made a lot of the breaks in
>the race...seems like a lot of the other riders were being a bit too cagey and
>hoping for a bunch sprint. Watch out for Patrick Jonker in the IMRR...

Having just seen Kathy Watt race in the Ore-Ida in which she took
1st's in 2 stages & 2nd in another & finished 9th overall, I wasn't
surprised by the strength & stamina of her attack.  In stage 5
VeloNews claimed she "...attacked at the slightest chance..." & in
stage 9 "...took off...to win Queen of the Mountain points...then sat
up."

Hearty congratulations to a very capable & deserving young woman.

Too bad Inga fell, tho I was surprised she had to sprint to the pack
by herself; where were her teammates to pull her up?  I wonder if that
sprint cost her the energy she might have better spent chasing Kathy,
since from the Ore-Ida Inga would have known Kathy would & could be
very aggressive.

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman)
Subject: mtb chainrings - which are the best?
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:33:15 GMT

I'm about to overhaul my SuperGlide chainrings (as well as the chain
and cassette).  Originally, I was going to purchase Sugino rings,
because they seem to be of decent quality and not too expensive - I
don't want to go back to SuperGlide because they wore down extremely
quickly, and I don't find any great advantage to the pre-worn teeth.

But is Sugino the best choice?  There are a number of high quaility
mtb chainrings on the market.  Which are the best?  Do the stainless
steel versions perform well?

From what I understand, some designs of the small chain rings are
supposed to prevent "chain suck" - do they work?  (I get chain suck
once or twice a ride, usually when shifting very quickly on rough
terrain.  I'm reluctant to add the "chain suck thing" unless I really
need it).

So what rings are ringers?  

Many thanks.

	--Charlie Hileman			ARPA:  chaz@vicorp.com
	  V. I. Corporation			UUCP:  uunet!vicorp!chaz
	  Northampton, Massachusetts
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Amazing Stories
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:21:08 GMT

In article <Bs94It.CBA@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
   In article <rpj.712545659@fir> tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (Ben Elliston) writes:
   >him .. armed with bloody nunchuckers!  "My God!", I thought!

   Ummmm, what's a nunchucker?

   Up 'til then I was fascinated, but I think the punchline's in Aussie...

It's two pieces of (wood/steel, insert your favorite hard rodlike material) 
attached with a length of chain a few inches long. They're used in martial
arts. Around here, at least, they're illegal.

MJ
--
Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Bicycle Paths
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:07:25 GMT

In <rjg.712346442@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:

>	1) Announce the intention to pass the pedestrian. This usually causes
>	the pedestrian to move suddenly to one side or the other, into the
>	previously clear path the cyclist had intended to use.

I use this method 90% or more of the time, however:

How would you like it if every car that
passed you on the road honked its horn as it passed you. This action indicates
that the passing vehicle thinks you were not aware of or anticipating the
the action of passing. Any vehicle or person on a roadway or bicycle path
should always be aware of other vehicles, that is part of the responsibility
of being on the roadway. If pedestrians on bike paths are not capable of
being aware of their situation, or at least anticipating it, they are a hazard.

Why all the signs on bicycle paths and shared sidewalks, to notify the 
pedestrians that they should be aware of bicycles sharing this non-roadway
surface.

Honking and bells should be reserved for ``unusual situations'' otherwise they
just become to common and end up being ignored.

Objections please.
From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Paintbike file-My slow response time
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:49:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I would like to apologize for not respoding to some of you guys regarding
the bike painting file but Thursday I was struck by a motorist in downtown.
I'll save the details for now and hope you got to see the later post to
the group. Please e-mail me comments on the file.  I'll be
back in full force in about a month(fractured arm,broken toe,totaled bike).
Happy ridin guys and be carefull.

-- 
Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Need Help, Deraileur problems!
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:32:57 GMT

Dave Severn writes:

>              Everything seemed fine on my Saturday ride. The whole system
> seemed very smooth, as it should have. Last night, Sunday, I was out for a rid
> and when I went to start a sprint; standing on the pedals and really pumping,
> the system went haywire. The derailleur started to shift down to the smaller
> rear cogs just as I was applying real power to the pedals!

This sounds more like a new chain on an old sprocket than anything else.
Under load a slightly worn rear sprocket will not allow the chain to engage
the next tooth and thereby jump over.  When this happens it might also shift
to the next smaller sprocket if the derailleur is not exactly centeedr on the
sprocket positions.

Yes, you will hear all sorts of admonishments that Shimano derailleurs
require a sloppy top pulley but that has little to do with the auto-shift
you are experiencing and more with ease of shifting.  I have not experienced
this even though I used Sun Tour pulleys with my DuraAce derailleur so I
don't think it is essential, maybe beneficial but I am not convinced.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:01:27 GMT

Thomas H. Kunich writes:
: Jobst, the original message mentioned, I believe, a Mavic MA-40
: rim. It jsut so happens that I have seen three cases of what he
: described and they all occurred after the spokes had been overtensioned.

I'm curious as to how you know that the wheels were overtensioned, and
what you consider to be proper tension.

: Maybe there was a bad batch from Mavic?

Or multiple bad batches.  I had one pair of MA-40 rims destruct in this
manner about 2 or 3 years ago.  I have had MA-40s before and since with
which I have not had any problem.  The rims which cracked were not in
any sense overtensioned.  I use MA-2 rims if the local shops have them
in stock when I need them.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med,connect.audit
From: jeremyr@ibmpcug.co.uk (Jeremy Russell)
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:09:19 GMT

I also get very numb..up to maybe my elbows in both hands.  Wearing
get palm gloves definately helps, even on a ride as little as 20 
miles.  The gloves are also very protective in a spill; I've seen
a pair of gloves worn almost through after a slide along an English
country road!  Don't leave home without them!
-- 
Jeremy Russell - SkillAdvance Ltd.  - AKA jeremyr@ibmpcug.co.uk
Voice +(44)81 446 6481  Fax +(44) 81 446 9143  
"Man who speak with forked tongue cut roof of mouth to ribbons" 
                    Anonymous
From: pierre@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pierre Charles)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: German Touring Bicycle For Sale
Date: 26 Jul 1992 21:18:12 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Questions on Sew-ups
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:12:02 GMT

Mike Whitman writes:

> I am about to get a set of wheels with sew-up rims on them.
> ...
> I am looking for more in the way of tips on how to get the best
> performance from the tire/rim combination.

Although rolling resistance (RR) is not greatly different between one
high performance tire and another, be that clincher or sew-up, RR of
a sew-up is worse than a clincher unless you use either a hard glue
or very thin glue.  Sew-ups or tubulars when glued on, constantly move
on the rim under load.  This is evident from the wear marks on the
aluminum and the discoloration of the glue by fretting oxide on the
base tape of the rim.  This motion is all made in the highly viscous
glue and is dissipated as heat by the rim.

RR tests have been made that show high quality tubulars in comparison
to slick high pressure clinchers.  The tubular tires with standard
road adhesive have higher RR than the clinchers.  Since the advent of
good clinchers, the tubular marked has nearly vanished and with it
Track glue (tipo Pista) that Clement, D'Allesandro and others used to
supply here.  At the time, no one could give a good reason for using
track glue but in the RR tests recently performed at Avocet the truth
came out.

You might ask why track glue wasn't used universally if it is better.
The reason is that it gets hard (it is basically thick shellac) and
cannot easily be removed by hand for a tire change nor can another
tire be mounted on the road using it.  Besides, its purpose was not
generally known except to the ancients who did not make an effort to
tell others about it.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: skon@gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu (james paul skon)
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Summary: AVIA SHOES
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:18:27 GMT

>PRODUCT PLUG FOLLOWS

>BTW, in their current catalog, they have those Avia - look compatible
>shoes that you can walk in (and that I rave about so much) for $25.
>These shoes are a little warmer and heavier than racing shoes, but if
>you want to walk comfortably AND ride using looks, you might want to
>check them out! I use them for commuting, randonees and touring.

Watch out!  These shoes run small.  I wear 11 1/2, and I bought a pair
of 12's.  They were much to small, and had to be return.  If they fit,
they would, however, be a nice alternative for casual rides where you
might actually want to walk around.

Jim Skon






Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: CFV: rec.bicycles reorganization
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:15:59 GMT

Thanks for the responses I got with the call for vote text.  After the
discussion I followed in news.groups, though, something seems out of
whack. 

In article les@sail.stanford.edu 1992Jul21.192607.4750@uunet.uu.net
(Les Earnest): 

>This is a call for votes on a proposal to create up to five new
>unmoderated newsgroups and to rename a sixth as follows:

>rec.bicycles.marketplace: ...
            ^
>rec.bicycles.tech:  ...
            ^
>rec.bicycles.rides:  ...
            ^
>rec.bicycles.soc:  ...
            ^
>rec.bicycles.racing: ...
            ^

>... rec.bicycle.misc:  ...
                ^

Is this last a typo, or is something amiss here.

Us in-formed voters would like to know.





-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: bwwilson@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Bruce W. Wilson)
Subject: Air transport: to box or not to box?
Keywords: box, air, transport
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:33:30 GMT

Hi,

My wife and I are going to Europe with our tandem in a couple of
weeks and are trying to decide how to transport it there.  We can
construct some sort of box to transport it in or just take it to the
counter "as is".  Air Canada only requires a plastic bag around the whole
thing.

I'm sure boxing will provide more protection but will also mean
significantly more hassle as well (building box, removing parts to fit
bike in box, awkward to move).  And I've heard of people who always
transport their bike without a box and never have problems.

I would like to collect some data to get a better idea of the risks.
Could you please email me the following information if you have ever
transported your bike (tandem or otherwise) by plane?  I'm interested in
good and bad experiences.  I'll post a summary of my findings which
maybe will make it into the FAQ.

info wanted:
1) number of flights the below info applies to
2) airline
3) method of packing bike: cardboard bike box (CBBox),
   a bag or box specifically for bike transportion ($$Box),
   or nothing (air can's plastic bag is nothing)
4) fee for taking bike (approx. is ok)
5) did they require a waiver to be signed?
6) approx. value of bike: 0 - $500, 501 - $1000, $1000+
7) description of any damage ("none" is ok, too)

Here's my data:

1       2       3       4       5       6       7
=       =       =       =       =       =       =
1       AirCan  CBBox   $0      no      600     none
        AirNZ

1       AirCan  bag     $0      no      600     - small dent in top tube
        AirNZ   none    $0                      - up/down dent in rear
                                                  wheel - replaced it

2       united? CBBox   $45?    yes     400     none

2       thai    CBBox   $30,$0  no      400     none


So, please send me your stats (especially if you don't use a box).

thanks,
bruce wilson

(BTW, thanks to all the people that replied to my request for tandem info
- I would have replied individually but things are getting pretty hectic
now.  We bought a Burley Duet and are very happy with it so far.)
From: elr@trintex.uucp (Unix Guru-in-Training)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Biking with Bears
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:29:55 GMT
Organization: Bearing the Load

At my local bike club meeting last night, someone walked in wearing a T-shirt
for a Yellowstone bicycle event.  You guessed it -- the T-shirt depicted
a nice big bear (with helmet on) riding a bicycle.  The bear looked
pretty relaxed -- they must have found a frame that fit well.  No lycra
jersey, though -- I guess the bears have better taste in cycling gear
(au naturel).
-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:35:41 GMT

FWIW - California law specifically states that right turn signals with your
right hand are allowed.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: jtp1@gte.com (John Pescatore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trailors for Kids
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:51:27 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

I've been pulling my daughter Lauren in a trailer since she was 10 months
old. As long as the child is old enough to sit up in a car seat, they are
old enough to ride in a trailer. Although, some people around here put
car seats *in* the trailer to pull even younger babies.

Gee, all I though I was doing was taking Lauren bicycling riding, I didn't
know I was making a political statement. The comment by jobst_brandt reminds
me of the joke about the psychiatrist who would stroke his goatee and say 
"Hmmm, I wonder what he meant by that" every time someone said hello. Lighten 
up - this is only about bicycles, after all.

To the original poster, pulling your kids in a trailer is a lot of fun. I 
recommend the Winchester but many people are using the Burley.

Good luck, John

-- 
John Pescatore
GTE Government Systems
301-294-8486
PESCATORE_JT@NCSD.GTE.COM
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