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From: jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeffrey Alan Foust)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST II: Wrath of Khan --> New Footage
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:06:54 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <bbmyccn@rpi.edu> palmj@vccsouth27.its.rpi.edu (Jyri L. Palm) writes:
>When I was in high school (84-87) I watched ST II probably two dozen times
>with friends, when we were stuck at the boarding school with "weekend 
>duty."  Obviously, even now I remember the movie all too well.
>
>Last night, my local ABC affiliate showed it on TV, and to my surprise,
>there was new footage not found on the old laserdisc or the VHS tape.

I experienced something similar - in reverse: I had watched the TV version
of the movie at home (we had taped it when it appeared on TV one time) so
many times I got used to that version.  Thus, when I bought a copy of the
movie at a video store out here a few months back and played it, I kept
saying, "Hey! They cut out the part about...oh, wait, that wasn't in
the theatrical release. Nevermind..." :-)

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jafoust@cco.caltech.edu   			   	 jeff@scn1.jpl.nasa.gov
   "In other sports like tennis and basketball, the team that scores the most 
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Re: Annoying Borganoids
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:20:30 GMT

>>>>Why is it that ALL Borgs look human.  I understand that to be a Borg it would
>>>>make sense that a species would need to be humanoid, but why aren't any of the

	I don't think it necessarily "makes sense" that a species would
	have to be humanoid (rather an ethnocentric term that, I wonder
	if Warf considers us to be Klingonoid :-). Preying only on 
	bipedal, bisymmetric (not quite the right term) races would
	seem to be inefficient. Except for the fact that it's much
	easier to create humanoid than non-humanoid races using human
	actors, it would seem that on a galactic scale our body type
	would be on the rare side (or at least no more common than any
	other type.) If the Borg prey only on humanoids, then genetic
	engineering could become our salvation, as future generations
	are created as quadrupeds with an extra set of arms so we look
	like big fleshy preying mantises, yeah, that'd teach 'em. But
	I digress. Perhaps it's just easier to outfit ships for a 
	particular body type; our sector is patrolled by humanoid Borg
	ships, but elsewhere there are ships outfitted for quadrupeds
	or big insect people (or breaded female dwarves, if you've
	been following the dnd group:-).

>>> In "I Borg" Hugh says that the Borg "assimilate civilizations, not
>>> individuals." 

>	I would have thought that non-humanoid races would be like the
>	Crystalline Entity or the Nanites or the plasma cloud that 
>	attacked Q (or tried, rather) when he was stripped of his 
>	powers...

These would be non-humanoid races, and, admittedly, easier to destroy than
to assimilate. But it _would_ seem likely that the Borg would have discov-
ered races with different body types; did they ignore them, assimilate them,
eradicate them, or what? Somebody with some spare time and a good imagination
should write up some "Assimilation Guidelines" to explain observed Borg
behavior. How much civilization counts as civilization? Would the Borg have
ignored clans of neanderthals? Perhaps the civilization needs to pose a 
potential threat? Do body types matter? What happens when all that is left
of a civilization is a few individuals; too few to constitute a viable
civilization? Are they hunted down as well? Five or six people are too few
to bother with (e.g., the boarding party) but a few thousand (e.g., the
Enterprise) should be assimilated. What's the cutoff? Why? 

I gotta get some more work done. Adios.


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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Who said he's STAYING in the future?  (was re: YIKES!  The cross-over)
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>Yes, Doohan will be on early this season, but since he's stuck in the
>"future" at the end, it will most likely be post-"Star Trek 6" time.
> 
>The bridge they showed *was* the pre-"Star Trek 1" bridge, but that
>was (presumably) on the Ent-D's holodeck so Scotty could say goodbye
>to "old friends" he'll never see again.

     This is what I heard from that proverbial friend on the set: Doohan
     is flung forward in time from from sometime before the movie series
     began, but presumably AFTER TOS ended.  
     And,    
     Doohan was actually made up to look YOUNGER during filming because
     of this.

     This would presuppose that Scotty returns to the past at the end...
     Where in print or on tv have there been reports saying that Scotty
     is kept in the TNG era...  because if there have been, I've got a
     friend in los angeles to kill...
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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: "Trek: The Next Generation" by James Van Hise
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:12:08 GMT

   Well, I just saw this book out at the bookstore, and I have a few
comments.
   
*Mini-spoilers*


   Okay, the first part of the book (paperback, like the TOS compendium)
gives descriptions/histories of each of the regular characters.  Also, 
scattered throughout the book are sketches of each character; some of 
these are decent, but most are quite poor representations.
   The final part of the book gives summaries of each episode.  Only
seasons 1 - 4 are covered.  There is a short introduction before each
season's summaries.
   The Season-1 Intro rips into 'Encounter at Farpoint' for the addition
of the Q subplot, saying Fontana's script was given unfair treatment
(I would have to agree).  
   The author pans every episode featuring Q, with the exception of
'Deja Q' which is considered 'decent'.  Also dismissed as lesser-quality
episodes are those featuring Lwaxana Troi, with the exception of 
'Half a Life' which, according to Van Hise, banned the image of Lwaxana
as a 'clown'.  Van Hise also places 'The Bonding' as one of the better
episodes of the third season. 
   Overall, it is quite a poor effort at a TNG compendium.  (It even
goes so far as to state that the episode 'Sarek' revealed that Picard
had "attended Spock's wedding").  

   I'd rather have Michael Brown's ST:TNGPG any day.

RC Carman

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From: earharta@sdsc.edu (Alan Earhart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Geordi Dies/Scotty Lives/Triva Contest
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:33:50 GMT
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I can't resist this:

In article 92Aug22220452@devo.unify.com, rjc@devo.unify.com (Ronald Cole) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.190536.26078@adx.adelphi.edu> ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass) writes:
>   I would rather see the enterprise pull into star system and find 
>
>   Guy Williams, June Lockhart, Bill Mummy and Angla Cartwright.
>
>Guy Williams passed away in May of 1989.  Like to see Paramount try to bring
>him back!  :-)
>
>   Name that series. :-)
>
>Ok, Lost in Space...
>
>   For a top prize (a Plutotonium plated Ultra Man)
>   can you name the other two actors of that series?
>
>Jonathan Harris, Mark Goddard, and Marta Kristen.  Bob May was the man
>in the Robot suit and Dick Tufeld was the narrator and the voice of
>the Robot.  Now, will Ultra Man be coming UPS or parcel post?
>
>   For the life of me, I can't remember thier names although I do remmeber
>   the characters.  No hints from me.  Ok, some hints:
>   The series is NOT:
>   Zorro, Lassie or The Danny Thomas show.
>
>   BTW, if you are under 30 (base 10) you probably don't have a clue as to
>   what I am talking about. :-)
>
>ObTrivia:  # of Lost in Space episodes - 84 (including the never aired pilot)
>           which aired from 9/22/65 to 3/6/68.
>
>AND...  if anyone flames me, I'll post Dr. Smith's canonical list of
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Robot insults!  I mean it!!
>
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I wanna see the list you pompous, overstuffed, grease-bag.  You 
are such a weenie!!!  "Oh, please don't flame me.  I am so fragile."
Get a life you..you..you GET-A-LIFE-TREKKIE!!!!!!!!

Alan       earharta@sdsc.edu

ps  Those of you who don't understand just continue on to the next post.
    Just in case, :)
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Subject: Re: The Man Trap
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 00:59:27 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> 
> Well, actually "The Man Trap" was the 7th (or so) episode filmed, so the
> series had mostly taken shape by this time.  Most of the discrepancies
> above can be explained away pretty easily:
> 

In the TOS episode guide that Starlog put out The Man Trap is listed 5th,
not including The Cage.  I'm not sure if that is the shooting order or
not, they do not say.  Although I did find it interesing that it wasn't
listed first, so maybe it is a shooting order.  It lists, Where No Man
Has Gone Before, The Corbomite Maneuver, Mudd's Women, The Enemy Within,
and The Man Trap, in that order.  Can anyone with a better guide tell
me if this is, in fact, the order they were shot?  Other then that,
good point, I suppose a bit more of the show had taken shape at that
time, but it was still a bit rough.  Then again it took TNG 2 years
to take shape, (ooo I'm gunna get it for that one)


> 1) Sulu's duties included a few scientific ones on occasion, notably in
>    "Shore Leave", as I recall.  Originally (in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
>    he headed the *physics department*.

I don't know how cannon this is, but I've always seen it explained as another
one of Sulu's hobbys.  Botany, fencing, etc.....
><......>
> >Again, Spock wasn't totally fleshed out at that time.  He also smiles in
> >"Where No Man Has Gone Before", the second pilot, 3rd or 4th episode shown,
> >back '66.
> 
> Are you sure about that?  I don't remember him smiling in "Where No Man".  He
> smiled in "The Cage" (and therefore in "The Menagerie"), but I think his
> logic-over-emotions bit was pretty much established even in "Where No Man"
> (albeit with a somewhat quirky sense of humor).
>

Actually I'm not entirely sure.  I thought I remembered him smiling in
that episode.  I don't have it on tape so I can't check it.  I do
remember him getting angry for Kirk being to lenient on the god/Mitchell.
At least he showed more emotion then he did in later episodes.

> >	   I'm not sure exactly what episode he becomes the Spock we 
> >all know and love.  Does anyone know what episode we find out that Spock
> >is half human?  My guess is that it is "Journey to Babel", where we first
> >see Sarek and Amanda.  But it may have been before.  Me being the young'en
> >that I am, (born the same year as Star Trek), I don't remember ever NOT
> >knowing that Spock was half human.
> 
> Me, neither.  Only one Trek Classic episode was broadcast first-run during
> my lifetime. :-)

Born just after Turnabout Intruder, eh?  I'm sorry you had to follow such
a bad episode.  <big grin>


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From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Subject: A sort-of-apology (was: Re: "The Outcast": a missed opportunity)
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:07:36 GMT

mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello) writes:
>>	You're lost on numerous counts.
>
>How flattering.

(other stuff deleted where it is clear that Matt is losing his mind &
attacking Johnny for net-lag beyond his control)

Caught again -- *sigh*  It's so hard to practice what one preaches.  Netlag
is beyond anyone's control, and it was a dumb, stupid, ignorant, idiotic
point for me to attack on.  Mea culpa, and I publicly apologize.

Not for the other stuff, though...  8^)
-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
From: jts@jtsamy.krk.fi (Janne Siren)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Testing and Babylon 5
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:31:53 GMT
Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG)

Hello, first thanks to all of you that replied to my test message, without your
help I wouldn't know is my messages getting there - I'm using UUCP program to
read and write mails and news from home and I'm receiving only few areas - no
test areas - so I had to do it here, sorry, won't happen again. I tried to write
test messages before, but my host had some security problems and messages weren't
getting anywhere, hope those msgs won't appear now that everything is working.

Second, what is Babylon 5, I've read few messages about but not enough, even a
short definition would be really nice. Thanks.

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From: jeffski@behave ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Why San Francisco? (was Star Trek vs Real Life)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 2 Sep 1992 17:56:40 GMT
Organization: U.C. College of Natural Resources
NNTP-Posting-Host: behave.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Golden Gate, Hills, Great Restaurants, Cable Cars, Fisherman's Wharf

Don DeCosta wrote some time ago:
>Here in the San Francisco Bay Area we have a military base known as The 
>Presidio, it is a gorgeous piece of land and The Presidio is on the 
>closure list of military installations.
>
>Because of the Presidio's enviromental value (would make a wonderful state
>park) and its commercial value (would make a wonderful planned community of
>multi-million dollar homes) many letters to the editor and radio talk 
>shows spend time debating the fate of the Presidio.  I have often come VERY 
>close to calling one of these talk shows and telling them that it is a well
>known fact that the Presidio is the future home of Star Fleet Command so
>the debate is pointless... The Presidio will stay in Government hands!!

I'm curious as to the strength of the connection between ST and SF. Does
anyone know why there are so many references to San Francisco in Star Trek?
Was Roddenberry born here, or something?

Specific references include:
1) ST:TMP -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
2) ST:TVH -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
3) ST:TVH -- San Fran as Sulu's birthplace
4) ST:TVH -- San Fran as site of whale search 
		(San Fran in the 1980s)
5) ST:TUC -- San Fran as Starfleet HQ location
6) ST:TNG -- (several times) as Starfleet HQ location
7) ST:TNG -- (twice so far) as a Starfleet Academy location
8) ST:TNG -- (several times) as location of Dixon Hill's office on the holodeck
		(San Fran in the 1940s)
9) ST:TNG -- (soon to be twice) as site of strange alien occurances
		(San Fran in the 1880s)

anyone think of any others? It has certainly gotten beyond the point of random
coincidence!

________
Jeffski.
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From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Subject: Re: WHO'S HOTTER
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 02:03:29 GMT

In article <Btn6ME.EvE.1@cs.cmu.edu> mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
>ITB650REID@redgum.qut.edu.au (Egad ! Its a UQ engineer !!!!!!!!!!) writes:
>>Me thinks that the woman Wesley fell for (can't remember the name of the 
>>episode) who was the shape-shifter has the prize for the Hottest thus far.
>
>The episode name was "The Dolphin," and the name of the woman was "Flipper."
>
>-- 
>Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
>Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.


I truly understand with all the discussions here about where the dolphins
get to stay aboard ship ....
However the title of the episode, and the character, is the French word
meaning heir to the throne (dauphin) or in this case, the female heir or
dauphine. 

I know, one little letter, changes everything, but the actress really didn't
have flippers! I think even Wes would draw the line at flippers...
From: asmith@seismo.CSS.GOV (Al Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Backstage tour during taping of ST:TNG and photo
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:43:03 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA

Shakespeare Santa Cruz is having a Curtain Call Auction
on September 5 at 7:00pm. Among the items for auction is a
backstage, behind-the-scenes tour of Star Trek: The Next Generation
set during the taping of a new episode. Take home a cast photo for a
souvenir of an experience that's out of this world.
The day is to be arranged with Paramount Pictures.

A poster from the Royal Shakespeare Company's production of 
"A Midsummer Night's Dream", signed by Patrick Stewart who
play Oberon, will also be auctioned.
For further information and to order a $15 ticket for 
the auction, call Shakespeare Santa Cruz at (408) 459-4168.

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From: jcomer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan C Comer)
Subject: Re: a little controversy on the episode: the perfect mate
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:27:54 GMT

Except that the character's name is spelled "Vash", isn't it?  Does that still
mean cow in French?

Jon
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER ON TNG!
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:47:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtpG3w.463
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:

>kellyfj@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>> In article <1992Aug19.195429.7054@ac.dal.ca>, novanet@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> > You're talking about Dr. Crusher? Give me a break! I say that it's the one, 
>> > the only Counselor Deanna Troi! Check out how she never wears the uniform!
>> > But one question, why doesn't she wear the boots?
>> 
>> How come no-one mentions Kheylar (Suzie Plackson)?
>> 
>> Was she cute as a half-Klingon half-human or what?  :-)
>> 
>> It was nice to see a woman who didn't take any crap especially not from worf!
>> Unlike the cringing Bev Crusher and Deanna Troi. ;-)
>> Why do most ST women crew members have to be given such weak characters? Tasha
>> was a start but then they killed her off. 
>> 
>> Is feminism dead in the 24th Century?
>>******************************************************************************
> Hey, since we're talking about hot women on TNG and guest stars, what about
>the episode "Angel One" and that blond gal that Riker was "getting to know"?
>Now, she was very beautiful, yet vicious, in her own way.  I forget her name
>right now, but those of you who have it on tape, watch it and you decide.

>-- 
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      I have to agree completely Jeffrey, she was a total babe. Wish I remem-
      ber the name.

Cory Padfield
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:12631 rec.arts.startrek.misc:8876
From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: PAD
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:36:42 GMT
 <1992Aug30.043315.18194@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
 <1992Sep3.192532.5689@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <65270@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Followups-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc

In article <65270@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com says:
>
>I dunno.  I heard Peter David hates everybody.
>
>PAD

:-) :-)
Thanks for putting things into perspective.
:-) :-)

                                    -- Mike Kelsey

P.S.  I thought it ws RA who hated everybody (or at least all writers :-)

[  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
What is your _name_?    "kelsey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu"
What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
When will you _finish_? "I don't know.   Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh..."
From: 00jdbecktel@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Problem with Scotty being on TNG
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:09:39 GMT


I also have an Irk with this theory about Scotty being on TNG.
Isn't he just too fat to be on network television.
Well I guess they've had everyone else.
McCoy, Spock, Spock's father.
Wonder when Kirk can fit in.
							-Sherlock 

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From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: a little controversy on the episode: the perfect mate
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:17:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Aug25.004857.1765@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug23.203136.4114@cco.caltech.edu>, tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes...

>>>I'm in sporadic e-mail contact with one of the writing staff (through someone
>>>else; he doesn't have an account himself).  I have it on his authority that
>>>Stewart was absolutely *adamant* that Picard not sleep with Kamala; he felt
>>>it would go completely against the grain.

Hee hee, this is simple: the word "kamala" is Finnish, and literally
means "horrible". No wonder Picard won't sleep with her :)

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