HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NG, MIME, and what does WAIF stand for (was: the thread on RTF and SEF
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:26:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.022644.23546@msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward  
Vielmetti) writes:
$ for posting things in MIME
$ format rather than in NewsChewer style.  Mark the RTF parts with
$ Content-type: text/rtf; they're just about readable by poor dumb
$ humans

NewsGrazer RTF format puts an ASCII version of any text at the top of  
the post right where anyone can read it. This is followed by a  
uuencode section, which can be easily skipped if you happen to be  
reading net news on a dinosaur.

$, shouldn't be too hard to cook up an rtf-to-ascii for people
$ with non-NeXT screens on their laps, and they're way more  
searchable
$ and indexable than a big blob of uuencode.

With NewsGrazer, you don't even have to cook up anything .. see above  
. the ASCII content is already separated out for you, right up there  
at the top of the article.

What does WAIF stand for (try to define your acronyms in the  
beginning of your article please)?
From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Why buy... (was Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:44:41 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

In article <a-4Hjkfk6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)  
writes:
> Basically, I decided several years ago not to buy another computer
> until after college because they become obsolete so quickly.  It's
> pretty damn foolish to spend $5K on a machine that will be obsolete in
> 24 months.

I'm afraid I've never understood this line of reasoning.  My digital webster  
gives me this for the word obsolete:

	1a: no longer in use or no longer useful
	 b: of a kind of style no longer current: OLD_FASHIONED

Now, I'd be extremely suprised if all of our current NeXT line will be no  
longer in use or useful in 2 years.  I suppose that in 2 years, our current  
line of computers will probably not be in the current style, but don't you  
think that buying the latest computer just to stay in fashion is a little  
silly?

> 50 mips and Realtime Renderman is just going to make you
> wish you had 100 mips, which in 24 months will cost you an equal
> amount of money.
>  

Sure, I'd bet this is true... 100 mips in 2 years will probably be at least as  
cheap as 50 mips now.  But, if you continue with this logic, 200 mips in 4  
years will be as cheap as 50 mips now, and so on.  If you start waiting for  
more powerful machines to become cheaper, you'll always be WAITING, and never  
USING the machines.

--
                             E-Mail (NeXTmail accepted): Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com
                    "Character is what you are in the dark." -Buckaroo Banzai
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: robert@amo.mit.edu (Robert Lutwak/150000)
Subject: Re: Help! Cannot run NewsGrazer
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:56:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.002052.24405@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> rxd20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ramesh Dodamani) writes:
>
>When I run NewsGrazer, it displays the opening screen saying
>'Locating active newsgroups' and then dies. When I run it from a terminal
>I get a message saying 'Bus error'.
>
    Hmmmmm....
    NewsGrazer has always worked fine for me.  That is, until today.  Today
it is experiencing exactly the same symptoms you describe.
    Hmmmmm....

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MIT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: Re: Person Wanted - Job Opening
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.202356.12861@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes:
> Wanted: An adventurous, Boston-based person with strong writing  
> (preferably technical) skills, good people skills, and Lotus 1-2-3 and/or  
> Microsoft Excel experience.  Salary negotiable.  Send resume to:
> 

Does this have anything to do with NeXT programming, use or systems
administration? Sounds like it's in the wrong newsgroup to find the
people you want.

Unless you just like us best :-).

- db

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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: DSP: It's about time for the 96002
Keywords: dsp 56001 96002
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr16.180415.26582@cs.ucla.edu> esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu writes:
>
>Why not NeXT? I mean, Ariel has come out with PC boards using the 96001  
>"Multimedia" DSP chip from Motorola.
>  
>For those of you who don't know, the chip is binary-compatible with the 56001  
>that NeXT uses and it is called a multimedia chip because, being a 32-bit  
>version of the 24-bit 56001, it can process sound and graphics simultaneously.
>

This is wrong.  The 96Kis a different animal all completely. It is a
floating point DSP.  This also means that data formats are different.
With floating point you typically get more dynamic range but less
resolution.  The 56K has 2 56 bit accumulators and can store 48 bits to
memory.  The resgister size is 24 bits but you can concatinate 2 regs.
to get 48 bits.

It is ideally suited for audio since it ca get a left and right sample
with out much trouble.

>a 33-MHz 96002 processes 16.5 MIPS and 49 MFLOPS.  The dual 88110 CPUs being  
>rumored lately beat this chip in the MIPS, but do they have the MFLOPS?  I  
>think it would be a good idea to use it in both 040 and (if ever) 88110  
>systems.
>

The 96k has very few uses for audio currently.  Most synths that use off
the shelf DSPs use the 56K.  I have seen very little software for th 96K.
This means a lot if time and investment writing code.  The 96K and 56K
are NOT sompatible.
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/*      For I can only express my own opinions.              */
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/*   Kent L. Shephard  : email - kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com   */
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Chinese on the NeXT?
Keywords: Chinese, NeXT, TeX
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:37:09 GMT
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <1992Apr10.064118.1924@shaman.com> jiro@shaman.com  
(Jiro Nakamura) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.061650.24829@Happy-Man.com>  
irving@Happy-Man.com  
> (Irving_Wolfe) writes:
> > Can anyone give me information about the ability or lack  
thereof,
> > of NeXTs to handle Chinese characters, preferably in  
documents with
> > mixed Chinese and English text?
> 

There are a few Chinese-TeX packages which should work
on the NeXT, at least with some massaging.  Check
out the FAQ in comp.text.tex for availability.

--
Hal Varian              
until 4/26/92: hal@alfred.tucson.az.us
after 4/26/92: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
voice:         602-577-3578
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From: tgingric@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tyler S Gingrich)
Subject: Re: Columbus, OH NeXT user group
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.125541.5810@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr13.050834.14447@stone.com>
>andrew@stone.com (Actually Tyler at Andrew's Keyboard) writes:
>
>>BTW: I'm currently at Stone Design helping Andrew copy
>>DataPhile disks & misc.  other stuff, so this will show up
>>from his address.
>
>I did get a more than a little cognitive dissonance from
>seeing his name at the top of the screen and yours at the
>bottom.  If the weather in Columbus is anything like that in
>Madison, you've probably picked a very good time to be in
>Albuquerque.  If I sound envious, it's because I am.
>

Actually, I think your right.  The weather in Columbus, OH this morning is
low 40's, wet, overcast, dismal -- Albq had beautiful weather the entire time
during my visit.

I want to publicly thank the Albquerque NeXT Users Group (ANug) for giving me
the opportunity to visit & teach my "Mini-DevCamp".  It was a grueling 3 day
hack session for all involved -- but it really turned out great!

Thanks to: 

   - Chris & Uli Zoeller for getting the ball rolling;

   - Ross Snyder for letting me stay at his house & play his piano;

   - TVI for hosting the class in their NeXT lab (24 MonoStations, 2 color
     stations, and an ND) and donating $200 to help with expenses;

   - Jennifer (TVI network support) for helping during the class; 

   - Greg Byrd (Anug President) for assisting during the lab sessions;  

   - Andrew Stone for a lot of reasons, especially for letting me stand on 
     top of the "Rook";    :-) :-)      (Greetings to Lil & Izzi)  

and a really big THANKS to:

   - Mark Williams for doing LOTS of grunt work setting up the camp, getting
     donuts, helping during the session (debugging, etc.) and generally making
     the entire weekend run smoothly. 


The entire weekend was a BLAST! 

---
Tyler Gingrich			
tyler+@osu.edu				(NeXTmail Accepted!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Mission critical apps
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:52:35 GMT

jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes:
> Steve jobs and NeXT in general use the phrase "Mission Critical App" 
> a lot as they see it as their main advantage
> 
> I always have problems with deciding quite what this phrase actually
> means... any one got a good example eplanation and/or examples... 
> preferably ones that don't include the financial sector and or DTP.

I'd think "Mission-critical" apps are those which your company does not want  
to trust to other people.  The company has a very specific idea of an app  
that matches the way that company does business, in order to give the  
company a competitive edge in that business.  They don't want to pick up a  
copy of some generic "Apps-Are-Us" application and try to fit it into their  
specific needs.  They want complete and total control over the app, because  
the success of the company depends on the competitive advantage the app will  
give them.

--
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ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: chet@odin.INS.CWRU.Edu (Chet Ramey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: What is /bin/jsh ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:10:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.221009.27420
Organization: Case Western Reserve University

In article <53285@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes:
>NeXT distributes /bin/jsh but no man page that I can see.
>what is it? (obviously a shell but any redeeming qualities?)

It's a version of sh with job control enabled, probably derived from the
BRL sh, maybe from Arnold Robbins's work (from 1984!) to put BRL's job
control code into the 4.2 BSD sh.

>any reason I shouldnt delete it to save space?

It's a hard link to /bin/sh, won't save anything.

Chet
-- 
``The use of history as therapy means the corruption of history as history.''
	-- Arthur Schlesinger

Chet Ramey, Case Western Reserve University	Internet: chet@po.CWRU.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Subject: Re: NeXT's RISC Workstation
Organization: L5 Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:17:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.091036.3083@whetstone.uucp> whetstone!johnc@ms.uky.edu   
(John Coppinger) writes:
> My question is this: is the 88K really that fast?  Does Motorola really know  
> something about RISC that Sun doesn't?  How does Motorola get 75+ MIPS out of  
> their RISC when Sun is working pretty hard to squeeze 30 out of SPARC?  I'm   
not  
> a processor freak, so I don't really know about this stuff.  Can someone  
> enlighten me?
Translation:
SPARC CPU = pocket knife.

Everybody elses pocket knives became stronger through the use of a new steel.
But the SPARC knife didn't move over to this new steel. Part of the reason
was that Sun had alot of goodies that were based on the kind of steel that
the SPARC was made from, and they'd all have to be re-designed if the SPARC
changed steels.

Also, everybodies knives suddenly had a new fangled blade. Sun had planned
for adding this new blade but their plans had been laid before the details
of the new blade were well understood. Their plans turned out to require
lots of re-work. This re-work was complicated by the need to not change the
knife so much that the add-on goodies needed complete redesigns as well.

Part of the fun in watching this is that Sun decided to design their own
knife because they felt the other knife designers were moving too slowly in
upgrading their knife designs. Now the other knife designers have shown that
their longer term growth plans resulted in better knives than the shorter
term plans of Sun.

It's your classic 80's go-go-go-rosey-eye'd-short-term-planning-run-aground-
in-the-realities-of-the-real-world syndrome that's becoming all too common
these days.

And don't forget that Sun has almost zip experience when it comes to CPU
design. That the other companies can design rings around Sun should be no
great surprize. To put things in perspective even further here, I think Intel
had more dollar sales volume on *just* the 386 CPU than Sun did for it's
*entire* product line.

Yep, watching the real world is better than watching soap operas.

Scotty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rallan@helical.com (Robb Aley Allan)
Subject: Re: 3.5" Erasible Optical Disk < $10/each
Reply-To: rallan@helical.com
Organization: Helical Systems, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 21:43:40 GMT

Nathan F. Janette writes
   The 3.5 OD drives do seem exciting.  I'm only aware of single-
   sided units that store 128 MB.  If/when they go double-sided
   and can store 256 MB, they would seem to offer all the promise
   of the original NeXT OD - "your world in your pocket", 256 MB -
   with none of the problems - no dust failures, three times as
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   fast, smaller and cheaper disks.

I'm not so sure that I would assume that there would be no problems. I have been using  
PLI's 3.5-inch MO for about 2 months now, and let me tell you, there are quite a few  
problems   but they SEEM to be caused by NeXT's OS: multiple mounted removable cartridges  
(say, SyQuest and MO at the same time) get the system confused such that a disk suddenly  
is no longer recognized (can't even be ejected!), filesystems get corrupted after large  
copies, etc.

I hope that 3.0 has a more robust capability for handling removables, if in fact that is  
where the fault lies. (And I believe it does, since PLI does not supply any software of  
its own, but relies on the NeXT drivers.)


-- 
Robb Aley Allan, The Gulfstream Group
220 Sunrise Avenue, Palm Beach, FL 33480
voice: 407/ 832-4013   email: Robb_Allan@gun.com
Co-founder/director, Gotham Users of NeXT (GUN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: SEF did it again
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:54:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.104753.13285@gagetalker.com> scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott  
Turner) writes:

> rtf group goes down then RTF postings keep right on going
> in csnm. If the rtf group goes through then the redirector
> messages will consume far more bandwidth than all the rtf
> postings to csnm ever did.

If you are referring one sentence "text pointers" in csnm articles
to the (aborted) rtf group as "redirector messages", it would take
quite a few zillion of them to support the above argument.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Putting NG in Examples (was: Future of NewsGrazer?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:15:17 GMT

erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Erno Pena) writes:
> Charles Herrick writes
> -Glenn Reid writes
> -> Maybe they'll put the source code to NewsGrazer in /NextDeveloper/Demos
> -> like they did with BackSpace?  
> -
> -I asked about this and was told it would not be possible.
> -
> -
> -What ever happened with the NG-on-Steroids that Jayson was supposedly  
> -working on?
> -
> 
> Isn't that one of his new software products from ASW?

I think ASW was supposed to have some "NewsGrazer-like" products, but not  
anything for usenet news.  These would be programs like NewsGrazer but for  
other information sources.

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Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: ovrskeek@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (I am the OVER-skeek!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Slip server(s) ?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 14:56:34 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


	Is anyone using a commercial SLIP/PPP service? If so, which company
are you buying your service from? Anyone have any good advice on getting
a SLIP link to the internet? Thanks for any help!



-----------------------
ovrskeek@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

P.S. No, the university does not provide local SLIP service :-(

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: I'll be Posting the entire People database in RTF next week
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:42:30 GMT



In article <1992Apr12.122458.5337@next32.isnet.com> 
           dstrout@next32.isnet.com (Dave Strout) writes:

> IMHO the problem is one of philosophy, not technology.  The NeXT allows
> you do things that the rest of the world can't keep up with.

I agree there is a problem of philosophy.  I think rich-text posts are neat,  
but it seems pretty silly to advocate posting rich text just to aggravate  
people.  This is supposed to be an information resource, not a war zone.   
Inflamming peoples passions "just because you can" seems like a pretty poor  
philosophy.

If there's a good reason to use richtext posts, use them and ignore the  
flack.  If there's no good reason to use them (and in many of the posts I've  
seen there has been no good reason for RTF), then don't use it just to anger  
people.

---
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Current Directory in Prompt: Thanks to all, NO MORE HELP NEEDED
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:01:00 GMT


Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for help in getting
the prompt to include the current working directory!  Within an hour,
I had five very helpful responses (which were all quite similar, surprisingly
to me (it's unix, after all!)). This group is definitely one of the more
helpful and stimulating (!) on the net.  One more reason to love my NeXT.

David Basiji

PS, I had a typo in my prior poste's email address. 
	 It's basiji@u.washington.edu, not basiji9.u.washington.edu
	 in case you were trying to get through without success.
	 Your good intentions were appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Re: NeXT and Atari...
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:48:58 GMT

In article <12370@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.151212.8500@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
>> 
[Rumors deleted]
>
>Yeah right.  That would be like SUN signing up with Sinclair to port  
>Openlook to the ZX81 series.  Hahahaah.

Well, I wouldn't go that far--a brief Atari history: The ST was the first
inexpensive 1 Meg computer you could get. It came with a *high resolution
monochrome* monitor. (Later), Atari produced a *very cheap* Laser printer,
that was *driven by the computer*. You could get an inexpensive C compiler
that could be used to write to a window GUI (GEM sucks, but there was later
a third party shell that allowed you to "dock icons" and use a print manager)
and Un*x like shell (Mark Williams), and Mac emulation that was faster than
a Mac (Dave Small). Because of this, Atari ST was a big seller in the
*overseas* market, particularly *Germany*. 

Seems to me little editing would be required to make this a press release
for our favorite computer. Unfortunately, Atari suffered from poor
management and bad marketing (I better stop, I just broke into a cold sweat:-)

Anyway ST->NeXT seemed like a natural transition for me.

(Please, no flame wars, I'd hate to come back and write how great NeXT is.)


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From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Cannot run NewsGrazer
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:27:20 GMT
Distribution: na

Ramesh Dodamani writes
+ 
+ Hi Netters
+ 
+ When I run NewsGrazer, it displays the opening screen saying
+ 'Locating active newsgroups' and then dies. When I run it from a terminal
+ I get a message saying 'Bus error'.

I've seen that too, but only to a specific NNTP server. Works fine otherwise.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tgingric@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tyler S Gingrich)
Subject: Need DataPhile Edu Pricing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:33:06 GMT

I'm busy building a recommendation for NeXT equipment and I need the current 
department pricing for DataPhile.  I would appreciate email with this info.  

Thanks

---  
Tyler Gingrich
tyler+@osu.edu
From: dudney@discovery.tamu.edu (William A. Dudney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Minimum Developers Environment
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:42:04 GMT
Reply-To: dudney@discovery.tamu.edu

About two weeks ago someone posted and asked about the files you needed to do  
development If you are still interested I found a list sent to me by NeXT when   
first bought my 105station. EMail me at dudney@discovery.tamu.edu and I will  
send you a copy of the list. If you need the files I can provide them as well.

Have Fun,


Bill Dudney
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling)
Subject: Re: 88110 and 56001 -- How many MFLOPS ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:31:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.180949.26816@cs.ucla.edu> esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu  
(Eskandar Ensafi) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know how many MFLOPS the Motorola 56001 DSP and 88110 CPU  
are  
> capabale of?

If I understand correctly, the 56001 is capable of 0 mflops because it  
only computes integers.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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