HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rpji@nye.nscee.edu (Rick Jenks)
Subject: Re: Real Farms
Summary: getting started / telecommute
Keywords: rural ranch telecommute
Organization: National Supercomputing Center for Energy and the Environment
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:13:50 GMT

>Cowboy (mpleis@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: We need a discution about real farms here. I mean a farm you make your living
>: from, not just a little plot in the country.  Can everybody post what kind of
>: operaton they have and the size and something about it.  Maybe we can get
>: a threat that is "rural" related other the how to make bread or dig a well.

We live in E. Oregon, have about 1100 acres of range land and are planning
to grow alfalfa on ~200 irrigate acres within the next 5 years.  After a
lot of dusty days this spring I got ~50 acres planted to oats (preparing
ground for a later alfafa seeding), got wheel lines connected and working,
and really began to appreciate again the value of hard physical work.  This
is a new and part time effort for me, because my main job has been and
continues to be modeling and simulation of commercial nuclear power plants
using computer codes.  My wife and our children live on "the ranch".  My
wife works as an RN for local home health care agency and kids go to a
truly rural school, where some kids live so far away that they must board
at the school during the week, because it is too far to travel home.  I
"telecommute" part of the time performing various tasks "connected" to
work with modem and communcating, as necessary, via phone, fax and email.
So far, I've been able to spend about 40% time at home and I hope it 
eventually increases to ~100%.  I would like to see more of our income
coming from the farming operation and have less required from the
telecommuting, but let me tell you (as a new person to farm/ranch
operation) it ain't "an easy road to hoe."  It may be better to just
have "a little plot in the country."

>: 
>: Our farm this year is as follows:
>: 2500 acres crops
>: 90 head dairy soon to be 300+ (Reg. Jerseys)
>: 4 families live and work the farm
>: N.E. Iowa location
>: We are all computerized.
>: Plus we write software for farms, sell software and hardware, and design new
>: special equipment for farms and dairys.
>
Sounds like you have a good operation.  Best of luck. 
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: well's - pumps/pressure tanks
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 07:06:38 GMT

 (bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu) wrote:
:  btw it never gets cold
: here, just a bit chilly, sometimes, on occasion, in the winter, at night.;-)
: 
: bill pociengel

Bill (or is that bill),

Never gets cold, huh?  Maybe I should move 200 miles west and get over to
the MN side of the border.  It gets damn nippy over here (south-central WI).
Just a couple of days a year below zero, though, really, so I can't complain
(much).  That's what fireplaces & sick days are made for.

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: knightf@infonode.ingr.com (Frank Knight)
Subject: Re: Trailer (YECH!) foundations
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: misc.rural
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:25:34 GMT

In article <JWOODARD.92Aug27091320@zeste.nmsu.edu> jwoodard@nmsu.edu (Jeff Woodard) writes:
>money (and time). Anyway, I'd like to know if anybody has any
>experience in setting trailers permanently. The bank will only offer
>me mortgage terms if I set the trailer permanently, and I've got about
>4 acres to work with. I hate to permanently place a trailer in
>undisturbed semi-arid desert, but that is the predominant structure in
>the place I've got the 4 acres, and I clearly can't live where we now
>are.
>I was wondering about the pros and cons of pouring a concrete slab vs
>just a footing. The trailer is a 1992 16'X 80', and I'm not sure as to
>what exactly to do with it. Maybe there are some more options, but the
>bank requires them to be permanent. I'm looking at 5.75% 30yr for $45K
>if permanent, and as bad as 13% 5yr for $45K if not permanent. Anyway,
>any and all advise is appreciated!!
>
>	
Well the ones I've seen around here have used concrete blocks on a
footer and then used stucco or brick over the block for looks.  This
would seem to be a low cost solution and would make it easy to move
again.  You could also paint the block for a really low cost foundation.
"piers" of blocks may be used in the center if needed like a house
foundation in addition to the perimeter support.

Frank


Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Subject: Re: Bill's Many Messages
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:08:15 GMT

>>I think you misinterpet my intent .... I hope for constructive discussion
>>from my messages...I am raising questions in environmental areas which
You're on. BTW alt.co-evolution has a crowd interested in similar discussion.

>i am considering setting up an online database for this type of info.
I have started this on my bbs and am ready to take the project much further
(see my e-mail reply to you)
>but knowing how i'm long distance from everyone then they must obviously be
>the same from me. i mean it could be expensive to utilize. unfortunatly this
>machine is not mine. it belongs to the department of transportation.
>i would really like to utilize the stuff from old men, og, and cj mag's but
>who would use them?? i mean we're talking uucp or ld calls. (hmmm maybe
LOTS of folks would use this information.
>client/server where you mail a data request and get mailed the results????
>thoughts? suggestions?)
I'm ready and waiting to set this up here in Chapel Hill. The Internet
site I access has offered to set up listserver, FTP and possibly
Wais-Gopher on our information. Let's get started.
  
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: well's - pumps/pressure tanks
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 08:01:29 GMT

Allan BA Schlaugat (AllanWS@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: Along the same thread, my pump, in the wintertime when the temperature 
: is below freezing, will run every 5-10 minutes while it is not in use
: all day and night long! 
: I do notice that the pressure drops below 25 psi during these cold periods
: compared to 40 psi during the warmer summer days. My tank is @45 gal located
: in the basement (semi-heated; always above 45 degrees though).
: Is there any solution to this irritating problem during the winter
: other than shutting the pump off during the evenings when we are not
: using water?
: Thanks!
: Al Schlaugat / AllanWS@cup.portal.com or Al_Schlaugat@bearsden.com  //
: Albertville  \ Amateur Radio: N9ISN  Packet: N9ISN@W9NNS.#CFL.WI.NA//
:   Wisconsin  / I had a real bad day today; I had to re-rivit my \\//
: pop. 76!     \ pizza cutter!                  Only Amiga!!       \/

I guess I'd have to wonder why it's cycling at all.  I would think you are
using an awful lot of water somewhere.  Most systems have a check-valve
between the pump and pressure tank, yours may be leaking H2O past it, back
down into the well.  This would cause house pressure to go down, and kick
in the pump again.  That's the ONLY thing I can think of unless of course you
have a faucet or toilet running somewhere.

BTW, I've heard that it's a good idea to leave a faucet somewhere in the house
running somewhat during the VERY cold days (below zero), so your septic
doesn't freeze up.  Last thing you need, in that cold Wisconsin winter, is
to have the crapper freeze up.

BTW, where is Albertville?  I'm in Farmington, which is between Johnson's Creek
and Concord, or Jefferson and Sullivan, or Watertown and Whitewater, or
Milwaukee and Madison (depending on your familiarity with the area.  I love
messing with people when they ask "Where's farmington?")

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: billw@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Weisman)
Subject: Re: Composting
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:03:50 GMT

ashwin@gatech.edu (Ashwin Ram) writes:

>We want to start composting leaves (yes, fall is here!) and kitchen garbage
>in our back yard, and would like some advice on exactly how to go about doing
>this.  Where does one start?  I don't really want to buy $100 "composting
>bins" I see advertised in specialty catalogs, but I don't want an ugly,
>smelly heap either.  Is there an easy, foolproof "do it yourself" method to
>compost that isn't expensive or time-consuming?

Use wire mesh fencing material for good air circulation.  Form it into a 
cylinder 3-4 feet in diameter.  Fill with leaves, pine needles, lawn and 
yard clippings, sawdust, wood ashes, fruit rinds, vegetable peelings, coffee 
grounds, crushed eggshells, moldy or stale bread, etc.  It helps if you have
a specific container in the kitchen just for compostables.  Do not use animal
wastes, meat, bones, blood or fat, which smell bad when decomposing and draw
lots of flies.  Follow these guidelines, and your compost heap will have 
little or no odor.

Twigs and woody material will compost faster if shredded or chopped into 
small pieces first.

Every month or so, mix the compost:  lift off the wire mesh cylinder, set
it down next to the compost heap, and use a pitchfork and/or shovel to
refill the cylinder in its new location.  Lots of worms and sowbugs are a
good indication of a healthy heap.  

Compost to be used in the garden can be screened using a frame built of 
2x4's and chicken wire.

Keep the compost heap a bit moist, but not soaked.  If you live in a dry
climate, spray it with the garden hose for a few seconds every so often.

This is just about the cheapest and least time-consuming of non-smelly,
reasonably foolproof and minimally ugly composting methods.

-- 
Bill Weisman/JPL Information Processing Center/464 W. Woodbury Rd., Altadena CA
billw@jato.jpl.nasa.gov                      UUCP: ...!cit-vax!elroy!jato!billw
          "You can have my encryption algorithm when you pry my cold 
             dead fingers from its private key."  -- J. P. Barlow
From: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Chickens, chickens, and more chickens
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:01:32 GMT
Reply-To: paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Jim Paradis)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I write:
>>Along the same lines:  what would be the issues involved in building
>>a *residential* methane generator in the U.S.?  Aside from the
>>technical issues, what are the typical regulatory issues?  Who
>>typically has to sign off on these things?

Bill writes:
>well if you live in or near a bedroom comunity, see your neighbors.
>up the road a bit the newbies are trying to shut down a farm due to
>the odor ruining the good old country air |-< [etc.]

Well, I don't think that'll be a problem with the parcel *we're* looking
to build on... it's 52 acres sandwiched between two farms 8-)  The country
air don't bother us a bit, so the aroma from our methane generator should
blend right in 8-) 8-) 8-)

I *do* know what you mean, though... most suburbia folks who move to the
country don't *really* want the country... they want Disney-world squeeky-clean
live-in rural theme park (hmmmmmm..... maybe there's a business opportunity
there?  Make some bucks, *and* keep the bridge-burners away from the *real*
country 8-) 8-) 8-) )

--
Jim Paradis (paradis@tallis.enet.dec.com) 
Working for DEC, speaking for myself.
From: mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Rural Sources: Books (part 1 of 6)
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:22:51 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

The six articles on books from Dave Sill are now archived on
fractal.ucs.indiana.edu, and available for anonymous ftp'ers.  Look in
/pub/misc.rural.   I left both a compressed and an uncompressed version,
although it is really small either way.

Disregard the message at the beginning.  If you're just going to grab this
file, do it whenever you want.  If you want to grab the 120-something joke
files, please do that "after hours" :)

I would be happy to add any misc.rural type stuff here, BTW.  There were 
some excellent articles on the Nebraska tractor tests that might want to
make their way there.

Maybe instead of a FAQ we could simply keep these information sources and
refer people there.

	Darrin
-- 

mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu

"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Bill's Many Messages
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:58:51 GMT

In <1992Aug26.033312.1580@samba.oit.unc.edu> Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London) writes:

>In article <25260035@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth) writes:
>>> ... I sure could have used sound guidance in farm, garden and house design.
>>You tease.  Tell us what you learnt.  Please...

>Well, to begin with, and in brief for now, two biggies:

>The house is built on 6X12 PT posts with 4-2X10 PT boards inset in notches
>in them for sleeper beams to support the floor joist system. The 6X12's
>are embedded in 3 1/2' of concrete, allowing for considerable horizontal

lets hope you meant 3 1/2 " (inches not feet)

>stability without crossbracing. This method of underpinning a house is very

if you really meant feet, then yes you've got quite a bunch of stability.

>inexpensive, is easy to build and allows free movement of air to dissipate any

again units of measure make a big diff here.

>radon gas that may become present. The 2X10 floor joists can receive 9" of
>insulation and a plywood cover to provide enough R for this climate.

would the use of concrete also possibly be to assist in the removal of a 
food source(your house) from the little nasties which live in the ground 
down there??

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
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From: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
Newsgroups: misc.rural,rec.gardens
Subject: weed control (aka seed bank stirring)
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:22:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Tennessee
Distribution: world
Reply-To: langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: langston.cs.utk.edu
Keywords: sorrels and bindweeds and sedges, oh my

just when you thought it was safe to go back out in the sun
comes this, fresh from the latest issue of `science news'
(vol 142-8, p 127):

   "test plots plowed only at night grew roughly half as
   many weeds as plots plowed during the day...daylight
   plowing exposes buried weed seeds for roughly 1/4
   second...just long enough to activate photoreceptors
   in the seeds that prompt germination"

for those of us who try to get by as much as possible
without preemergent herbicides, this may sound like rumors
reported before and probably too good to be true

nevertheless, the research team (from oregon state u) who
conducted the study are being taken seriously, at least
at `science news' -- also:

   "plots plowed at night by tractors with up to 8 headlights
   had similar reductions in weed growth"

wish my tractor had highbeams!

if you're adventuresome, night plowing/disking/tilling may
be worth a try

as a small-scale test, it may even be worth a try right now
if you're still weeding this summer's kitchen garden  (well 
heck, i lost control of mine back in june as usual, about 
the time things got too big for the cultivator :) )

-- 
mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
department of computer science, university of tennessee
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: mo@sdf.lonestar.org (Mohit Goyal)
Subject: 4 meg 60 ns SIMMS wanted
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:02:19 GMT

Please mail me with your price for 2 4X9 60ns SIMMS.

New or used is fine with me.
From: julie@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Song Weaver)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: Modem wanted for HP19 terminal DIR/ALL*
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:30:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Aug30.003051.1934
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Wanted:

1 Modem, Hayes compatible, preferably 2400 baud ASAP.  Would rather
not pay more than $50.00, but am willing to negotiate either price or
baud rate.  Call 401-273-4851 or e-mail JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU 
or JULIE@DRYCAS.
From: jer@salad.visus.com (Jerry Jantz)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: WANTED:Tempest for Atari 7800
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:08:16 GMT
Reply-To: Jer@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

Subject line says it all...if you've got one, I'm willing to buy it

thanx

jer
From: ccoprfm@prism.gatech.EDU (Monte Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: Fuji hard drive info needed
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:34:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


 I have a Fuji FK305-39 hard drive. I need to talk to Fuji about a problem with
this drive. Does anyone have the telephone numbers to Fuji? Please forward
them to me via e-mail if you have them.

  Thanks much.....


-- 
Monte Freeman  --  Operations Department / Information Technology
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ccoprfm
Internet: ccoprfm@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: skurucay@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Saban Kurucay)
Subject: ------- 1965 or older model PORSCHE wanted ----------
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:48:16 GMT


     Subject line says it all. If you have one you want to get rid of,or know
anybody who has one, please drop me some e-mail.

                                                  Have  a nice day
                                                       Saban

                                         skurucay@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: mattw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Ward)
Subject: Canon 35mm equipment
Summary: Wanted long Canon lens and T90 or other stuff.
Keywords: Canon 35mm photography
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:44:08 GMT

I am looking for a Canon 300mm f/4.0 lens in good condition.
I am also interested in a T90 body.  I would also consider
other Canon manual focus equipment.  Thanks in advance.

-- 
			Matt Ward
			mattw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
			University of Illinios
			Department of CCSO
From: abucher@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: FREE 1990 FORD MUSTANG FRONT END (I need an '86 front end)
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:11:01 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


	Howdy All,

     I have a front end to a 1990 Ford Mustang that I would desperate like
to swap for a 1986 front end for same make and model.  The parts that I have
to swap are the following:

		Nose (with all the supporting brackets underneath)
		Hood
		Lights
		Wiring harness for electrical accesories in the nose

     So if you want to cosmetically upgrade the looks to your '86 Mustang
at no cost (unless of course if you are going to mail them) give me a
message at the internet message below.  Thanks.


		Anthony Bucher

		abucher@ringer.utsa.edu
		abucher@lonestar.utsa.edu
Newsgroups: misc.wanted,kw.general,rec.audio,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Looking for DBX Noise Reduction Units
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:10:03 GMT


	I am looking for at least 4 channels or DBX type I or II noise
reduction.  Units such as 150s or 244s are great.  Of course, I'd need
two but if you have one and want to sell please inform me.  The four channel
Teac model would be good as well.  Email me with information and price.

Brett Maraldo


-- 
               --------     Unit 36 Research     ---------
	                "Alien Technology Today"
  	 	      bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
  	           {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
Newsgroups: misc.wanted,tx.wanted,austin.wanted,houston.wanted,uh.wanted
From: jeh@taronga.com (James Casey Henderson)
Subject: ATARI 8-bit DDDD (800xl)
Reply-To: jeh@taronga.com (James Casey Henderson)
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:59:53 GMT


I've got an 800xl w/256k, but I have NO disk drive or joysticks...
 
I'm mainly looking for a DOUBLE DENSITY DISK DRIVE, like a 1050, or
a Indus GT, but NO Rana's please! (the Spanish word 'rana' means 'frog'
in English, and BOTH of my old Rana's CROAKED!)
(Coincidence?  who knows...  :)
 
Most of my disks are in double-density, so I need a DD drive.
 
Please reply.
 
Thanks,
-jeh
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From: U33720@uicvm.uic.edu (FARDAD)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted,chi.wanted
Subject: AIR TCKT CHCGO->PHILIE->CHCGO
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:57:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92238.235747U33720
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I am looking for airline ticket:

        from           to
       chicago       philadelphia or NewYork or anywhere within few hours
                          drive to philadelphia


          and back to chicago
time:
            this labours day weekend

please ontact    u33720@uicvm.uic.edu or (312)751-6731 day time
From: obrien@sparc28.hri.com (Jim Obrien)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: LAPTOP computer wanted.
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:37:11 GMT
Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.


I am looking for a used laptop computer. Model and make
are not important, but condition should be good. 

                                 thankx Jim...


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|o|   c  _)     |o|        1432 Main street Waltham Ma. 02154          |o|
|o|    \ o      |o|   obrien@HRI.com (617) 466-8364 FAX (617) 466-8323 |o|
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From: jiang@cs.arizona.edu (Howard)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: WANTED: SNES Stuff
Keywords: wanted snes stuff
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:26:10 GMT


I'm looking for the following items, and have included the price I can get
them for, brand new.  So if you have something used, and at a decent price,
let me know. Thanks.

SNES Machine - $89.95 (doesn't include any games, or a 2nd controller)
Street Fighter II - $75.00 (japanese version preferred, but not required)
Arcade-Style Joystick (for SF2) - $90.00
From: jkubic@reed.edu (Jan Kubic)
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
Subject: Used Corvette Wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:14:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug26.031453.24745
Distribution: usa
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

I am posting this for a friend, but feel free to contact me via
email - I will forward stuff to him.

Wanted:  1984 or 1985 Corvette in the $8,000 to $9,000 range.
Please contact Mike Brown at 503-663-3567 (Portland, Oregon).

Thanks,

Jan
jkubic@reed.edu
Newsgroups: misc.wanted
From: jeffn@nuchat.sccsi.com (Jeff Noxon)
Subject: Wanted: LCD Flat Panel Display
Organization: /etc/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:46:41 GMT

I am looking for an LCD flat panel display that I can interface somehow
to a PC for a project.  It does not need to be compatible with any video
standards, as I will be writing custom software for it.

I don't care if it's graphic or text-based, but backlighting is a must.
Size is not much of a concern.

If anyone has such a beast, or knows where to get one for a reasonable
price, I would love to know!


-- 
Jeff Noxon
jeffn@nuchat.sccsi.com
713/721-6820 CDT Houston TX
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