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From: gettys@regent.enet.dec.com (Bob Gettys)
Subject: Re: Street Atlas CD-ROM
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:44:17 GMT


In article <715145423snx@crynwr.com>, nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes...
>In article <1992Aug28.221346.22230@e2big.mko.dec.com> gettys@regent.enet.dec.com writes:
> 
>           I have it and find that it is an OK product. It does have
>   mistakes,  but so do most paper maps you get. Some are obviously
>   based on OLD data.  One I found local to me obviously comes from
>   about 40 years ago!
> 
>Yes, right, here too.  One road they have in their CDROM (and on their paper
>map) is no more than a cow path now.
> 
>   They say that they like to get reports on any errors found so that
>   they can corect them.
> 
>Yes, and I wanted to know what kind of compensation they were willing
>to offer for extensive error reports.  Answer: none.  So, they're not
>getting my 20 or so corrections for St. Lawrence County, NY.
> 
>-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>  I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
>Crynwr Software            Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
>11 Grant St.               315-268-1925 Voice
>Potsdam, NY 13676          315-268-9201 FAX


	I find it a bit ludicrous that the poster would seem to feel that he
should be compensated for his input (unless he undertook to do a SUBSTANTIAL
amount of data verification of course). 

	Two things to consider - 

	1. The vast majority of this data is taken from public records by
DeLorme and is subject to the same type of errors that seem to plague all public
data records (particularly old/plain wrong data).

	2. The overall price of what you get. If DeLorme was to compensate
everyone who sent them corrected data, then the product would soon become far
too expensive to put out!


	Another small point - on the cow path - The official maps of the town
where i live show numerous paper streets (rights of way which have NEVER had a
road on them) which cannot be told on the map from a real street. This is the
kind of data the DeLorme depends on. How can they possibly know when the data
isn't there??

	/s/	Bob Gettys

NO connection with DeLorme except as a reasonably satisfied customer!
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From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Subject: Re: When am I going to see books... Real books on CD?
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:17:16 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.920827115629.288@oak.scp.ac.uk> J.Beech@SHEFFIELD-CITY-POLY.AC.UK (Julian Beech) writes:
       It won't happen for a long time, till people are prepared to write
   for the sake of getting works read rather than profit. (Any budding
   Sci-Fi authors, this is your chance, I for one would love to have
   books in this format)  The cost of such works by a succesfull
   author would be high, as few would buy on CDROM and if stored as text
   files how in hell can you enforce copywrite.  It's a sad fact that
   such works would be RIPPED off in big way.  If its readers they want,
   then yes this is an exellent way for storing books.  But the world we
   live in works on profit (You normally get what you pay for).

Consider that a paperback book costs nowadays $4-$7, a hardcover costs
something like $25-$35.  If a CD-ROM book would cost something like $10-$15
and had a real nifty reader program that only works off real CD-ROM, it
would be a strong incentive to buy it on-disk.  It'd probably even be
cheaper to master and press a disk than typeset and print a real book...
-- 
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From: CALMAN@FSUAVM.BITNET (Doug Calman)
Subject: Pioneer DRM600
Reply-To: Doug Calman <CALMAN@FSUAVM.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:43:21 GMT

At Florida State, we have     very heavy usage of our SilverPlatter
Medline, and our Pioneer DRM600 6-disc-in-a-magazine/cartridge worked
very well until the warranty ran out. The magazine wouldn't auto-eject
and we had to send it to Pioneer with one disc half-way in the
magazine and half-way in the drive's reading mechanism.  Pioneer fixed
it promptly but upgraded some parts in the drive, making it incompatible
with our software setup.  But once we downloaded new drivers from the
Pioneer BBS, including the latest MSCDEX, we got it working OK again.

Have others had problems with this particular cd-rom drive?  On the
plus side, it does enable you to search five of the six discs at once
and costs only about $900 now.  I believe they are working on some
speedier versions of it too.  On another note, has anyone tried the
CD Speedway software? Will it work with SilverPlatter/Pioneer?
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: 75300.1324@COMPUSERVE.COM (Nick Arnett)
Subject: PhotoCD & patents
Reply-To: Nick Arnett <75300.1324@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:58:56 GMT

Attn: CDROM-L
                       Subject:
Time:8:39 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          PhotoCD & patents
Date:9/4/92
I'm not much of a fan of software patents -- I think copyrights are a
more appropriate way to protect software, but I'm not fond of the way
copyright law is working, either -- but I think that PhotoCD is more
deserving of intellectual property protection than most software
might be.

My main argument against software patents is that by the time they
expire, the software usually isn't good for anything, so that the
owner of the patent really does have a monopoly, usually, for the
entire life of the product.  That wasn't the legislature's intent, I
believe.  But when intellectual property rights laws were created,
the vast majority of patentable and copyrightable things had lasting
value -- they'd still be useful long after the protection expired, so
the monopoly would come to an end and there will still be utility in
the formerly protected thing.

But PhotoCD, if it's as successful as Kodak and others believe it
will be, is likely to be quite long-lived.  It seems likely that 15
years from now, or whenever the protection ends (assuming the
patent's life began at least a couple of years ago), PhotoCD will
still be around, if it's worthwhile at all, since it's an archival
storage format (disregarding the archival qualities of CDs, of
course, which we've also discussed here!).

PhotoCD isn't an application so much as it's a data storage format,
which is a significant distinction.  Formats can remain useful long
after the code that manipulates the format goes away.  Of course,
data and methods are increasingly encapsulated -- ugh, another
complication.

When I raised the question earlier about Kodak's willingness to
license others to encode PhotoCD images, I didn't mean to imply that
it should be free.  That would be nice, but I also think Kodak needs
to recover its development costs and have a chance to make some good
money from the risk it's taking.  But I question just how widespread
PhotoCD will be if they don't allow people to treat PhotoCD as a
standard archival storage format, regardless of whether they happen
to be stamping CDs or not.

Apparently there are some issue regarding image quality when you
convert to and from RGB and Kodak's PhotoYCC (which I recall is a YUV
colorspace), so that you lose quality in the process.  Thus, there's
some validity to Kodak's apparent argument that once you've converted
the image to a form that the computer uses (RGB), you've forever
abandoned the PhotoCD quality requirements.  Ditto for conversion to
CMYK for the printing industry.

However, this is all related to the quality of the transformation
algorithms, which presumably will be improved (or they're not worth
patenting -- hah!).

Nick Arnett
Multimedia Computing Corp.
Santa Clara, CA
From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Small Run CD's
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:14:07 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA


I've been hearing news about the new CD compatible worm drives. Have any
services spring up yet that will do quick and dirty CD mastering
(i.e. you give them a tape and some money and they give you back 
some CD's ). If you can purchase the CD compatible WORM drive for $6000
and a media for $40, it would seem possible to do fairly small run CD's
fairly soon.
From: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Soundblaster Multi-media package
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 04:06:38 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2719weberj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Sep3.124835.6488@exu.ericsson.se>, ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se (Pat Fargo 6266) writes:
>I have the package you mention. Overall, I am very
>pleased. The Bookshelf has everything my little
>eight year old needs to keep her busy. Atlas, Encyclopedia,
>etc. The SoundBlaster is great. She puts on music on the
>cd, while she plays some games. From reading in this group,
>there seems to be two packages with different interfaces.
>The Multimedia (Microsoft), and another Pro sound interface.
>I have also purchased the Microsoft Beethoven's Ninth
>Symphony package, and this too is outstanding. Especially,
>if you already liked him. Any other questions, please post.
>
>---
>Patrick A. Fargo		Ericsson Business Communication
>				Anaheim, California
I guess I have to disagree with the Multimedia Beethoven.  I too bought it
thinking from all I had read about it that it would be really neat.  
Unfortunately what I found was a disc that had the entire 9th symphony
from a recording made in 1964 (A little befor digital audio..I think:) )and 
an entirely text based discription of a lot of the musical stuff.  The pictures
that went with it are poor line art at best, and execept for someone wanting
a wealth of information on Beethoven who doesn't mind sitting there and
reading the rather small text, I whouldn't sugest...hmm I hate call
waiting..where what I ???  oh yes, other than for those few select
people, I have to give Multimedia Beethoven a thumbs down..sorry.

Joe Weber


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From: jack@admin.mport.COM (Jack Craig)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Pioneer DRM600
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:29:41 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

CALMAN@FSUAVM.BITNET (Doug Calman) writes:

>At Florida State, we have     very heavy usage of our SilverPlatter
>Medline, and our Pioneer DRM600 6-disc-in-a-magazine/cartridge worked

>plus side, it does enable you to search five of the six discs at once
>and costs only about $900 now.  I believe they are working on some

say doug, 

just curious how software can provide concurrent search
access to 5 of 6 disks at once with only one drive unit?

dont tell me, let me guess a great caching scheme? ;)

this is a serious query. i work with the pioneer on sgi and svr4.
i would love to improve my search bandwidth in any way possible.

jack...
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From: gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Gaston Groisman)
Subject: Grolier's File Format?
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:50:35 GMT


I just got the text only, DOS version of the New Grolier Electronic
Encyclopedia and want to run it from a workstation.  I can read the CD
fine, but would like to know the format of the file in it to write my
on search program.

Does anyone know in what format the file is written?

Thank you, 
-- 
 Gaston Groisman          +-------------------------------------+
 Computer Science Dep.    |      gaston@cpsc.ucalgary.ca        |
 University of Calgary    +-------------------------------------+
 Alberta, CANADA                    NeXTmail accepted!
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From: 75300.1324@COMPUSERVE.COM (Nick Arnett)
Subject: PhotoCD discussion
Reply-To: Nick Arnett <75300.1324@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:39:40 GMT

Attn: CDROM-L
                       Subject:
Time:2:22 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          PhotoCD discussion
Date:8/30/92
All,

Does anybody have any evidence that Kodak does intend to license the
PhotoCD format for encoding images from software such as PhotoShop or
other PC applications?  It still seems to me that the only folks
who'll be able to do encoding are the Kodak dealers who license the
whole system to manufacture CDs.

I'm in the midst of a major research project related to this and
either I or my staff will be pressing Kodak for a straight answer on
this.  If I get a clear answer, I'll be happy to share it here.  We
have to have our report ready within a couple of weeks.  I appreciate
the helpful information that has appeared here!

Nick Arnett
Multimedia Computing Corp.
Santa Clara, Calif.

P.S.  To anyone who feels that his or her time is being wasted with
this "Pinhead" discussion, I apologize in advance.  This is the last
public comment I'll make.  My final comment is that I sure wish that
the guy who accused everyone in the discussion of being pinheads had
bothered to read all of the messages, rather than just, "...the part
cross-posted to rec.photos where I normally read it..." before
name-calling.  I've received some offensive e-mail from him, in
addition to what you've seen here.  I'm glad that the majority of
folks on the list don't do that sort of thing and having said my
piece, I am returning to my usual policy of ignoring such people.
From: HRL@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: BSR CD-ROM Drive?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:36:48 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

...need some help... What do you think of specifications of
380-millisecs...and interface...for IBM-compatible drive?
They are throwing in 1991 Microsoft Bookself, The Family Doctor,
and Battle Chess.  $399 is the cost.  Thanks in advance. Howard
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From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Sony "Laser Library" and SONY_CDU.SYS
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:40:12 GMT

   I recently purchased the SONY "Laser Library" package, which includes
the CDU 7205 external player. All in all, I'm quite happy with the package,
*however* (isn't there always a catch :-) while their 'canned' install
worked 'ok', and installed MSCDEX.EXE in autoexec.bat  and SONY_CDU.SYS in
config.sys, with the usual string of command line arguments, nowhere in their
somewhat limited documentation, were the drivers defined.

  I was able to come up with the command line argument definitions for
MSCDEX.EXE (which allowed me to load it high). So far, I've not been able
to find the definitions for SONY_CDU.SYS .

  Thus - if anyone could enlighten me, I'd be REAL appreciative.

With thanks in advance...


-- 
   John Rice        K9IJ     |  "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was
                             |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially
                             |   Not my Employer's....
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   Purveyor of Miracles,Magic and Sleight-of-hand
From: jack@admin.mport.COM (Jack Craig)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Pioneer DRM600
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:20:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

kirk.jensen@spacebbs.com (Kirk Jensen) writes:

>To: jack@admin.mport.COM (Jack Craig)
>Trade the unit in on a Toshiba 4-stack. Then you can use the disconnect

this is the first i have heard of such a unit. can you refer me to 
get more info?

thanks, jack...
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             Software Horizons SVR3 408-684-1375   uunet!sco.com!blznrzn!jack
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> . KingQWK 1.05 . 
>
From: tim@MATHS.TCD.IE (Timothy Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Looking for really cheap drive
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: tim@MATHS.TCD.IE
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

I don't mind waiting a second for my meal.
I'd be grateful to hear of any really cheap offers
of slow but steady CDROM drives.


Timothy Murphy

e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366 (home/office)
     +353-1-7021507 (university)
fax: +353-1-2842295
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and CD-ROM
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Distribution: ny
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:34:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.215814.20341@news.columbia.edu>
 jon@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan Nowitz) writes:
>From: jon@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan Nowitz)
>Subject: OS/2 and CD-ROM
>Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:58:14 GMT

>I have recently installed OS/2 on my 386SX machine.

>I have been using my Creative Labs Multimedia Kit... the CD ROM drive
>works fine from DOS, but not from OS/2; it does not show up as a drive in
>the drive window, nor is it accessible from a DOS window.

>Can anyone tell me how to set up my system to recognize the drive?

>(I have already run the selective install cd support;
>I am not as interested in accesing the drive from a DOS window as I am in
>getting a disk icon and running applications from the D drive in OS/2)

>Thank you.
>Help via e-mail (jon@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) would be appreciated.


I don't know about the Creative Labs one, but here is some general info:

1) You need an os/2 driver to talk to your controller card.  If it is a SCSI-
based controller card, the SCSI support in OS/2 should work fine, but check 
on what drivers you got.  If it isn't SCSI, you are probably out of luck.

2) You need to have the CD-rOM support installed.  You may need to use the 
/I option if you have other than IBM or Toshiba CD-ROM.


John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: harper@convex.com (David Harper)
Subject: Re: Soundblaster Multi-media package 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:56:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Sep02.132310.25066@bnr.ca>herrod@crchh235  writes:
>Has anyone had any experience with the Soundblaster Pro Multimedia upgrade?
>It comes with a 390ms CD-ROM (made by some Panasonic-owned manufacturer),
>the Soundblaster Pro, and about 6 disks (MS Bookshelf, Sherlock Holmes, MS
>Works, Macromind Action, etc.) The salesman said that the CD-ROM is
>connected directly to the soundblaster which would give me advantages over
>a typical SCSI set-up. Does anyone have any support or criticism of this
>package? It sells for $600.

I just bought this last weekend at CompUSA for $649 ($600 sounds like a
pretty good deal).  By the time I added speakers and tax, the total was
up to about $750.  By and large, I am quite happy with it although this
is my first experience with multimedia so I really don't have anything to
compare it against.  Installation was quite straightforward and I had no
problems getting it up and running.  The CD-ROM does connect to the board
through a proprietary interface.  This is okay unless you wanted to add
additional CD-ROM drives to your system (I don't).  The advantage of SCSI
is that you can daisy-chain up to eight devices and they could consist of
a mix of devices such as CD-ROM, tape backup, etc.


Regards,
Dave


Dave Harper    -     Convex Computer Corp.            E-mail address:
3000 Waterview Pky.  Richardson, TX 75080             harper@convex.com
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Gifs Galore again...
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:59:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

I'm sorry to jump into a already finished conversation but what is the
gifs galore cd (how many gifs are on it, etc)?
How much, and where can I order one
 - Thanks
 - Kirk
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:2927 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:23329
From: rkl@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (kevin.laux)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: RE: Re: IRQ2=trouble ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:55:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cd-rom
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


	Well, there still seems to be a little confusion over this, especially
those who commented that using IRQ2 would conflict with IRQ8-IRQ15.

	On an 8 bit bus slot the following IRQs show up: 3-7 and 9. Note:
NO IRQ2; IRQ9 physically replaces it.

	On a 16 bit bus slot you also get IRQs: 10-12, 14, and 15.

	Ok, so where are IRQs 0, 1, '2', 8 and 13?  They *do not* connect to
the ISA bus.  IRQ0 is connected to the counter 0 output of the PIT (programmable
interval timer).  IRQ1 is connected to the keyboard.  IRQ2 is connected to the
INT line from the second PIC, ie. the cascade line.  IRQ8 is connect to the
Real Time Clock interrupt.  And IRQ13 is connected to the INT line from the
math coprocessor.

	Now we know physically where everything connects to, remembering that
IRQ9 on a AT bus physically replaces where IRQ2 was on an XT bus.  So, the last
thing is that IRQ9 is software redirected to INT 0Ah, the software interrupt
vector for 'IRQ2'.

	Finally, potential conflicts.  If you have an 8 bit card that is
strapped for IRQ2 and a 16 bit card that is strapped for IRQ9, only then will
you have a conflict.

	Hope this clears everything up.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
	R. Kevin Laux				Email: rkl1@hound.att.com
	AT&T Bell Labs				Voice: (908) 949-1160
	Holmdel, NJ 07733			Fax:   (908) 949-0959
From: KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: (none)
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:17:05 GMT
Reply-To: KONDARED@PURCCVM.bitnet
Distribution: alt
Organization: FUNET-NGW

please enroll me in your CDROM mailing list


                                                      bye for now,
                                                         sashi.

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From: ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se (Pat Fargo 6266)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Matsushita-Kotobuki CD-ROM
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:53:30 GMT
Reply-To: ebupaf@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.

I just bought a system from the Price Club. It has 
this drive (termed a Panasonic) integrated with the
Soundblaster Pro. It comes with the MS Bookshelf,
Windows, and Multimedia Windows. 
---
Patrick A. Fargo		Ericsson Business Communication
				Anaheim, California
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