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From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Re: Does any other vegi or vega feel weak all the time?
Keywords: hungary, weak, inenergetic, no appetite
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:26:08 GMT

In article <92Oct7.131911edt.117@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> vlee@vis.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee) writes:
# Hi, every one over the terminal:
# 
# You probably are a vegi like me or a vega like my friend.
# 
# I found that my vega friend doesn't look pretty healthy among other
# classmates, and I also feel inenergetic, and easily-tired 
# more and more easily.
# 
# All other vegi I know in this school look "thin", or "weak"
# from some one else's point of view.
# 
# Are you also thin? also easily tired?
# 
# Is there something wrong or just fine?

Victor, it doesn't sound fine to me.  But there can be many reasons why
you feel that way ranging from a nutritional deficiency to your
lifestyle or even to a disease of some sort.  How can we possibly guess
as to what was wrong?  I'm a strict vegetarian and I am strong and
healthy (and work for the school you attend) .  I exercise up to 4
hours a day, so I obviously don't get tired easily :-).  Talk to a
health professional -- just don't buy into any arguments that you need
to stray from a vegetarian diet to be healthy.

Seek real help my friend.
Tom
From: cooper@rtf.bt.co.uk (Mike Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cow's milk
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:53:03 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Oct1.215551.22359@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>>	Spock, 89, appeared at a news conference in Boston with Dr. Frank
>>Oski, director of pediatrics at John Hopkins University, and Dr. Neal
>>Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
>
>   ...and scientific advisor to PETA....
>
Sorry, I don't see this as detracting from his credibility...

>>a non-profit association of 2,000 doctors
>
>	...which is .005% of U.S. physicians...

Hmmm, let's see, that makes 40,000,000 physicians in the US? What on earth is
your population nowadays? Must be breeding like mad on that wholesome beefy
diet, right?

[stuff deleted for brevity]

>>in terms of dietary recommendations." "There are a lot of great things
>>about milk," said Greg Miller, a nutritionist with the Chicago-based U.S.
>>National Dairy Council.
>
>   Hey, it's his job to be biased...and he certainly is.

Oi! This looks like you're on 'our' side - cut it out will ya? I'm getting
all confused!

[Apologies for lateness of response - I've actually been working believe it or
not...]

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jhs@cs.Princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Thanksgiving rice dish
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:41:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Originator: jhs@atomic

Hello,

Let me start by saying that I'm amazed. This newsgroup has become positively
civil since I left California, moved to New Jersey, and started reading it
again, just to see if I could tolerate it. I'd given up and started reading
rec.food.cooking in its place, but I'm glad to see that people are talking
once again and not shouting. Whatever happened to make the hecklers go away,
I sure hope they stay away!

Anyhow, now that Fall is here, I've started thinking about holiday food.
I made this rice dish last year for Thanksgiving, and it was a big success
even with the meat eaters. Now I'm looking for a recipe for either carrot
or pumpkin soup. If you hava a good recipe that you have actually made, I'd
like to hear it.

Wild rice with mushrooms and pecans

2 cups rice triology (this is a mixture of brown basmati, another brown 
       rice, and wild rice--I bought it at Trader Joe's in CA)
1 bunch green onions sliced (whites and greens)
6 cloves garlic minced
1-2 cups white mushrooms sliced 
1/2-1 cup pecans coarsly chopped
1-2 TBLS olive oil
Salt and freshly ground black pepper to taste

Cook rice according to directions. When rice is nearly done, saute onions,
garlic, and mushrooms in olive oil. Add to rice along with salt, pepper,
and mix together. Add pecans just before serving.

This mixture can also be used to stuff a squash (in place of a turkey). Just
bake the squash til tender, then stuff it and stick it under the broiler for
a minute or two.

Enjoy, Colleen
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Re: safe and effective ant=away formula
Keywords: don't wana kill the buggers......
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:45:00 GMT

>Arrgh!  We've been having a horrible time with ants and fleas this summer.  
>I have found that the best way to combat them is to find out where they're
>coming in (not difficult if you have a lot), and then spread a pepper/red 
>pepper mix near the entrance (they appear to really not like this).  Once
>they've stopped for awhile, you can sweep up the pepper. 
>

I was having a minor ant infestation this summer, and they would not go for
any of the ant hotel things I put out near where they were coming in. Just
as an experiment I spread catnip around their entrance hole, and what do
you know, it worked. They stopped coming back.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Natural Mosquito Repellant
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:09:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct14.080923.5808
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <48556@shamash.cdc.com> ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare) writes:
>As far as mosquitoes having no evidence that their farming of us causes
>nothing greater than a mild irritation - codswhollop! Just goes to show
>how far mosquito research has developed.

It's due to their tiny brains, and their underfunded schools of
higher learning.

>My fair and lovely better half
>develops terrible allergies and can be brought to alarming depths of
>unhappiness as a result of a mosquito bite.

Which shows you the kinds of distortions vested interests such as
"mosquito farmers" resort to in the face of hard facts! :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Xref: sparky rec.food.veg:9417 talk.politics.animals:8665
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
Subject: CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE ALERT - Results
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:09:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: proberts@moose

CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE ALERT - Results

Good news and bad news:

   Governor Wilson signed AB 1332 into law.
   He vetoed AB 500.

Thanks to all who contacted him.

How much interest would there be if I were to post these
legislative alerts regularly? The session is now over and
the new one doesn't start until 1993, but at that time I
could start posting. I gather that State-level legislation
moves very fast when it moves at all, and that a bunch of
mail at the right moment can be very effective. I'd be happy
to post these messages if I thought people actually will write.

Paul

------- Earlier message to which this is a followup: ------

Two important animal protection bills are now on
Governor Wilson's desk and in danger of veto.

AB 500 prohibits the use of double-decker cattle trucks
for transporting horses to slaughter. Horses can't even
lift their heads in these trucks, and many die or are
injured while being taken thousands of miles in them.
Animal proection people have worked for years to get the
bill this far.

AB 1332 prohibits the cruel, unsporting "canned hunts"
in which exotic wild animals are set up by ranchers to be
shot point blank by hunters(?) who want trophy heads.

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From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Searching for Menu/Nutritional Planning Software
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:54:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <3308@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> shc@rabbit.physiol.unimelb.edu.au (Stephen Cody) writes:

   In article <1992Oct6.161709.17251@sequent.com> amy@sequent.com (Amy Paschal) writes:
   >
   >I'm looking for a software package that can be used to plan 
   >nutitionally balanced menus. Specifically, I would like one
   >that uses the American Diabetes Association exchange system for
   >planning the nutrition.

   I am also looking for a  software package that can anlyse diets in
   some detail ie. amount of carbohydrate, protein, fat as well as specific
   nutrients,  etc. and how they compare to RDI. Preferably public domain.

I use Walford's Diet Planner, available for about $100 from:

   The LongBrook Company
   1015 Gayley Ave., Suite 1215
   Los Angeles, CA  90024

It has a fairly complete set of nutrients for the foods it deals with,
which are mostly raw ingredients.  Although, if you knew the
ingredients for a Big Mac, you could add it to the database.

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From: zkym02@hou.amoco.com (Keerthi Y. McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Suggestions Weddings
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:16:14 GMT
Reply-To: zkym02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

Best wishes to you and your fiance'.  I was married about 2 years ago in the traditional south indian manner followed by a "formal" dinner party reception.  We had our meal catered by a good indian rest. and a friend of the family.  The friend of the family worked very closely with my mother so as to produce authentic south indian food.  We did not serve any alcoholic drinks nor did we have a band.  We had classical indian music (kind of.... we had some problems with the audio system) playing in the backgr




















ound and we took the time to have table assignments for each family.  (to encourage interesting conversation for all).  All in all I think it was big success.  (ie. Everybody seemed to have a good time)   For drinks we served water, soft drinks and coffee.  To me, those beverages ( particularily water) better suit indian food than any sort of champagne or wine.  (No offence intended .... just my personal opinion) We also had a fancy wedding cake. That took some research to find someone to make a tasty cake




















 without eggs... but we found one and it was delicious.  Good luck with your planning and  I hope your wedding is a grand success.

Keerthi
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: cheeses with rennet
From: Judy Gerber <SPKBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 14:31:50 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I was happily surprised when I visited my local grocery store and
discovered a brand of cheese (kosher) which had on the label-
vegetable rennet. Sorry- I can't remember the brand.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Restaurants in SF?
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:34:44 GMT


I will be attending a conference in San Fransisco during the last week of
October.  I would greatly appreciate any pointers to vegetarian restaurants
in the downtown area.  I'll be staying in a hotel near Mission and 7th, but
I can travel to any restaurant in the general area.  I recall someone asking
for similar recommendations a few months ago, but I don't recall if
a summary was made available.

Is there a restaurant guide for SF that clearly identifies vegetarian
restaurants?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Subject: Re: Health Food Stores
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:50:06 GMT

rk05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RAMESH KRISHNAN) writes:

>Being new to the world of healthy eating, I have a question - how does one
>find a "health food" store? I live in a relatively small town near
>Philadelphia, and the yellow pages don't seem to have any such listing. Are
>food co-ops a close enough substitute?

>Answer quickly and save my arteries from further clogging! :-)

I really don't know!  I would think that you would just ask people who
are vegetarians or health minded where they shop, and then go there.
Health food, natural food, try those headings in your yellow pages.
Also supermarket.  If you don't have any luck, try finding one in
Philidelphia, and then ask the people there - employees and customers,
if there's anything closer to where you live.  That's how I found out
about a lot of places around me, even if I never go there.  If you
have any alternative or smaller papers or local magazines you might
try reading the ads in them.  The Washington City Paper often has ads
for lots of co-ops and natural food stores all over the area.  If you
still have no luck (and by this point haven't been told there is
none!), then try calling restaurants that might have vegetarian
entrees and ask if they know of any.  One last suggestion.  Find the
closest vegetarian society - local or in Phili, and see if they have
any input.  

I'm not sure what kind of co-ops you mean, but if they're a business
and have a central location, that's usually a good place to shop -
they generally have lower prices, since they're not trying to make
money from it.  You might then become a member and get involved... but
that's an individual option.

Good luck!
Tara
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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Pickled Cauilflower
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U


Apologies if this has been recently discussed - I haven't been reading
this group for a while.


Can anyone tell me how to make pickles - specifically pickled
cauliflower?

Do I have to cook it before I pickle it? Do I use special vinegar?
Do I add spices to the vinegar etc?


Thanks

M

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	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for wedding reception
Keywords: menu, suggestions
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.204028.26700@infonode.ingr.com> anagha@i3212.b17c.ingr.com writes:
>I have been reading this newsgroup for a while now...but its my first post!
>Its difficult to write without having a mental picture of the person/s you
>are writing to...But anyway, here it goes.
>
>My fiancee and I are to be married in January.  We are from India and we
>plan to hold the wedding ceremony and a reception, here in the US.
>Can you suggest what kind food is generally served on such occasions? (I have
>never been to a wedding here.) I would be very happy if someone could
>suggest possible menus and provide tips to arrange such a reception.  There
>should be no meat or alcohol involved...else my father will disown me!!
>There should be about 125 guests...  I would like everyone to really enjoy
>the food.  But it has to be vegetarian, both of us are vegetarians(not vegans).
>
>I would really appreciate your help.
>Anagha

Well, since my veggie diet consists mostly of restaurant food and frozen
veggie dinners, I can't be much help on the food (except for suggesting
cheese quiches), I can suggest something for beverages. We wanted to have
champaigne (sp?) at our wedding, but we don't drink. We found some very
nice de-alcoholized champaigne (and wine). They start out as regular
alcohol drinks, but the alcohol is cold-filtered off (out?). There are
two brands. One is St. Regis and the other is Ariel. Both are good. The
St. Regis red is better, but the Ariel white zinfandel and Reisling are
better. Both have good champaigne.

By the way, congratulations!

Janet
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"Never argue with a Scorpio - it's frustrating and you'll lose, anyway..."
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: ISO: Vegetarian Martial Artists
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:07:40 GMT

In article <BSIMON.92Oct12094732@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
>...But I don't
>see why it should be necessary for a martial artist to carry a lot of
>muscle. 

To promote inflexability and make you look just like an accupuncture (sp?)
chart (if anyone you fight is into pressure points...)

                                                 Frank Crary
                                                 CU Boulder
From: narasim@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Narasimha Bhat)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurants around Boston?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:39:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu
Summary: Please mail me any Veg rest. suggestions

 If you know of any Vegan/Vegetarian Restaurants in and around Boston,
could you please send me mail?

 Thanks in advance,

 narasimha 
 (narasim@ahimsa.Berkeley.EDU)
From: jml@cs.bham.ac.uk (Jane Littlehales)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Does any other vegi or vega feel weak all the time?
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:12:27 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham Univ. UK

Hi!

I've just started reading this group and its great!


> Message-ID: <92Oct7.131911edt.117@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
> Date: 7 Oct 92 17:19:25 GMT
> I found that my vega friend doesn't look pretty healthy among other
> classmates, and I also feel inenergetic, and easily-tired 
> more and more easily.

I've been a veggie for about 11 years and currently enjoy a very busy lifestyle
including an advanced aerobics, step or circuit training class every day! If
anything I could be classed as being 'big', if not 'overweight'. I eat lots -
beans, grains, masses of veggies, nuts (but not raw tomatoes, yeuch!). I
occasionally eat cheese and eggs but not milk. 

I've no real answer for your tiredness problem,except its not true of everyone!
Maybe you need to look at the quantity or variety of food your eating,
how processed / fresh is it, any specific food that makes you feel more tired, ...

I also knew a vegan who was extremly fit and active. She was into weight
training, aerobics, swimming and running, plus studying for a degree.

Jane
From: debra@creatures.cs.vt.edu (Debra Potts)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Does any other vegi or vega feel weak all the time?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:31:15 GMT

I'm no doctor, but no, I feel robust, healthy and energetic most of the time.
I am an ovo-lacto veggie, although I eschew the cheese and high fat foods as
much as possible.

I know this sounds very establishmentarian, probably, but I suggest you
take a little trip to your family doctor for a thorough check-up and blood
work-up.  A full blood work-up, to see what all your levels are of such
things as blood "sugar," iron, etc.

Your physician should be able to tell you if you are (a) ill or (b) deficient
in certain things, like maybe iron.  Then, either you and he/she can go over
your diet together or you can visit a registered nutritionist to help make
sure that in your no-doubt hectic collegiate life you aren't missing out on 
some of the things you need to balance your diet.

While it is true, and I've witnessed it in MANY cases, that contrary to the
meat-obessed argument even vegans can quite adequately meet all dietary needs
and be as healthy as--even much healthier than--their omnivorous counterparts,
EVERYONE should gain a basic knowledge of the human body and nutrition.  You
are not going to eat healthy if you don't really know what that means; you are
only going to ensure you become one of the poster children for the meat-lover's
telethon.

We on the net can give you all sorts of advice, but if you are often feeling
weak and tired, there are so many things that could be causing this that you
owe it to yourself to make sure the cause isn't organic and curable/treatable.
         
Then, if after all that, you find you are eating right, exercising, etc., you 
might check to see if some of your meat-eating friends who share your buildings
or workspaces are having similar problems.  You can start looking for external
illness-provokers like sick-building syndrome or environmental pollution, etc.

Good health to you,

debbie p.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: "john russell" <john.russell@canrem.com>
Subject: slow-cooker recipes
Reply-To: "john russell" <john.russell@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 12:08:37 EST


Remembering that I've seen dozens of recipes posted here that called for
slow cookers / crock pots, I went out and got one.  The book that came
with it was less than helpful (typical bean recipe starts with "1 lb.
ham bones").  Naturally I didn't save any of the earlier recipes from
here.  What are the best things to cook in one, and are there any
general guidelines for making recipes turn out well?

Thanks in advance,

John
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Dietary vitamin D unnecessary?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:02:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Oct7.004803.2949@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:

   I feel sure that I used to read stuff about how poor kids in Victorian 
   England frequently had rickets due to vitamin D deficiency. 

My Dad tells me that practically every kid in his village had rickets apart
from the two rich kids.  This was in the 1930s in a mining village in
Nottinghamshire.  This was looked upon as being quite normal.
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: List of participants (Version 8)
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:50:11 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

loc@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Leigh Clayton) writes:

>Most vegetarians are health-conscious but sensible
>people, perhaps with a slightly moral bent,

This might describe "Leigh Clayton", but a survey here revealed
that "perhaps with a slightly moral bent" is a major understatement.


(Anyone like to post details from the survey - I haven't a copy)

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