From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:21:16 GMT


God I hate arguing with libertarians, they are bozos with no reading
comprehension.

In article <1992Jul23.184006.25802@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jd> Jeff Dauber
>gs> Gary Strand
>
>jd> I don't think that white heterosexual males are inherently bad people.
>
>gs> That's not the impression I've gotten from your posts. You seem to think
>gs> that there is something inherent in SWMs that makes them bad/evil. Other-
>gs> wise, since some of them are in power, why are things so messed up?
>
>jd> This is something that you are reading in.  Nothing more.
>
>  Well, you seem to be drawing some sort of correlation between the SWMs that
>  constitute the bulk of power elite, the current crappy state of the world,
>  which is the elite's fault, and SWMs in general. Else, why bring up SWMs

No, that is where you led the conversation.  If you remember correctly we
were discussing how the people with power tend to discriminate against those
without.  You then insisted that white heterosexuals were not to blame.  That
is how we got here.


>  Practicing your victimology? What's your agenda?

I hate arguing with bozos like you.  Perhaps I will pull your chain some more
so that you will keep arguing.



>  And I'm sure that there is at least Jewish SWM out there who has received
>  as much discrimination as you have, based solely on his Judaism.

The level of antisemitism in this country is not the same as the level of
homophobia.  If you are a politician, and you are blatantly antisemetic, it
hurts you.  If the politician is homophobic, it does not hurt.


>jd> I know a lot of people who have been gay bashed, and a lot of women who
>jd> have been raped.  All of them have been attacked by people in this group.
>
>  And you know the odd thing? These punks are equal-opportunity thugs. They'll
>  attack just about anyone, black/white, gay/straight, old/young, male/female.
>  For example, Reginald Denny happened to be a white guy at the wrong place 
>  at the wrong time. More blacks were killed in the LA riots than any other
>  group.

If you would include the group I was talking about, you would see that 
your statement makes less sense.  HMs between 16-25 tend to commit hate
crimes against gays.  We are not talking about the level of violence in the
street.  We are talking about people looking for a faggot to beat up.


>gs> If hets can't tell who is and who isn't gay, how can gays tell who is and 
>gs> who isn't het? 
>
>jd> Because we have been raised all our lives to recognize who is safe vs who
>jd> is dangerous.
>
>  And there are no such things as safe straights, or dangerous gays? I find
>  that doubtful. I've never bought the gays-as-martyrs-and-saints line.

I did not say that there is no such thing as a safe straight, again, you 
and your persecution complex seems to read this into my statements.  

I have never been gay bashed by a gay man.  I know of no one who has.  Gay
men do not commit hate crimes against gay men.


Gosh, you are a bozo... Yawn.. into my kill file...



FWA