HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: FYI: NickServ was taken off the net.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 09:59:22 GMT

This is for The Lambz out there:

Jonathon Earnshaw Tidswell wrote:
>Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen wrote:
>| 
>| Now watch him flood... (this one was tested on convserv because NickServ was
>| down when I tried it, but it should have the same effect on NicServ as on
>| ConvServ, or what?)

>I do not think the authors of nickserv expected it to be abused,
>nickserv is older than this hassle with lame 'bots by lame people.

Once uppon a time someone (which the old-timers know quite well) abused
the NickServ so heavy the Armin took it off the net for a loong time.

If you really want this to happen again, go on... abuse... abuse ... 
no-one can stop you... Continue abusing IRC... just do it... we can't
stop you.
But... never every come back to us and cry: "Where did IRC go ?  What
happened to my server ?"... It's gone... forever... 

Just do it... do it now... 

We had DrDoom, we dealt with him... we can't deal with Lambs that are so
ignorant and stupid that they will never cross the border. BUT once they
cross the border they are OUT. 

\Ruben (The Northern SNUB)
(Say NO to unattended Bots)


-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Need Access Help
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:31:06 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Dave Machin (machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Need help gaining access to IRC.  Have access through Mindvox but its
: too slow.  How can I get normal access.  Thanks for your time,

(plug warning)

Msen has IRC (along with e-mail, ftp, netnews, gopher, the usual goodies).
Costs $20/mo flat rate, you can get to us by telnet, Michigan dialins,
or the usual long-distance dialin schemes (PC Pursuit et al).

(plug ends)

ObIRC: During the election night action I saw something on #discuss that
sounded like some French journalist was watching IRC to get news before
they could pick it up from their wires.  Any one confirm/deny/elaborate?

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB


Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Ignorance is part of the Lamb.
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:46:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.135611.21043@alf.uib.no> Ruben wrote:
: Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen writes:
: 
: [... wast of bandwidth on local situation deleted ...]
: 
: > However, to run tin, I have to telnet unix1. When I telnet unix1
: >from samson, vi (which is the silly editor tin uses on unix1) does no longer
: >recognize the cursor keys, and editing anything is impossible. I can at best
: >post something without quotes - if what I write is correct before I press
: >return.
: 
: How about TRYING TO LEARN your software before using it ? This goes not
: only to VI, but also to ircII and tin.

I know how to handle VI. I know how to handle tin. I know how to handle ircII.
And do you know how I learned to use it? By using it.

: How about asking someone ? Nay... others are LAME... 
Aren't you drawing a somewhat premature conclusion here? What do you know what
I ask people around here?

: Maybe you are just lazy and do not want to have any other info that the
: one that is give to you personaly, and the whine if you don't like it ?
These are your words. I probably don't even feel like commenting on what I
hereby classify as a personal flame. Just the redirection of the reply to
"he he he... drit i det" <somewhere@over.the.rainbow.oz> is quite childish,
actually...

: 
: There is a excelent VI archive on alf.uib.no, but then again I suspose 
: you prefer to ftp to utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp since that is in Japan, and it's
: sooooooo cool to do it.  In the VI archive you will find anything that you 
: ever need to learn VI.
: 
In fact, I prefer not to ftp at all other than when I need something and I
don't feel like programming it myself. Also, installing a functioning version
of vi is not my job. I have tried to persuade the one who does this to compile
tin on the samson and use emacs instead, but he just says that "something went
wrong when I tried to compile it on samson, and it won't do any good to try it
again."

: Oh I forgot... you come from The PC Generation... I forgive you...
: 
Once again, a premature conclusion. No. Sorry. I come from the Sinclair
Spectrum owner who upgraded to ST and further to Mega 4 STE and made a Spectrum
tape loader through the printer port before releasing one of the better disk
magazines and quite a few demos pushing the motorola to its limit-generation.
PCs are things I just got involved with because all the schools run with them.

: [... waste of bandwidth on a disclaimer discaliming that disclaimers are a 
:      waste of bandwidth deleted. Beside, the things you call disclaimers are
:      so called .sigs. Signatures are small textfiles that is appened to the
:      outgoing post ...]
:
: \Ruben (Bandwidth waster).
: (Say NO to uanttened bots)
: 
: 
Hey! What's this? "Bandwidth waster", well, according to yourself, a really
good way to waste bandwidth is to make some bots... and then flood them.
How can you then say no to unattended bots?

/Gard
From: mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Avalon arrested!
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:25:36 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Organisation: Wassat?!

Michele Carla Zugschwerdt <Jasmyne+@CMU.EDU> writes:


>I loved it.
>I laughed my ass off..


>about time there was something halfway interesting on this bboard
>JASMYNE

Someone cancelled it on coombs... (strangely enuff it's where you know 
who sits most of the time) Subtle? Nah.

Someone wanna send em a copy? Thanks.
Mark
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Followup-To: alt.newbies,alt.stupidity
Summary: Do NOT Automatically reply to a NOTICE! 
Keywords: bots, are, lame
Reply-To: "skit i det" <wizard@of.oz>
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, Texas, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:39:36 GMT

gardabr@unix1.MRIH.NO (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>titus chiu (titus@coombs.anu.edu.au) wrote:
>: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

[..crap deleted..]

>/set exec_protection off
>/on -notice nickserv /exec -msg echo help
>/msg nickserv help

You DONT reply to a NOTICE, especially with a PRIVMSG. You DONT reply
to a PRIVMSG with a PRIVMSG. Do you understand this? Have you heard
this before? Remember, the thing about breaking protocol? *sigh*

[..more crap..]

>: get some clues please.

yes, please do as the good man says, and get a clue.

>: titus

>Gard / say...

herm.
(say NO to unattended bots)
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: A new (very simple) bot solution
Followup-To: alt.irc
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:13:22 GMT

Dan> == Dan Weiss <Dweiss@chiba.hughes.american.edu> 

 Dan> Ok.  Here it is (take a deep breath.)
 Dan> Make the IRC network only allow one login from each address.  

 Dan> Now, while I know there would still be bots and cyborgs, at least
 Dan> half of them would disappear immediatley.  Bots with a legitimate
 Dan> value could always get thier own login (like nicksrv).

 Dan> If anyone can give me one good reason why they need to be logged
 Dan> on to IRC two or more times simultaniously, I would like to hear
 Dan> it.  Right now, though, I can only believe that logging on to the
 Dan> IRC mulitple times at the same time of day is just a selfish waste
 Dan> of network resources.

Oh, this is easy. Try this from your local UNIX box (it's telnet to a
port, so distort for VMS or whatever):

the things in ()s are what YOU type!

(telnet your.local.server 6667)
Trying 123.45.67.89
Connected to your.local.server.
Escape character is '^]'.
(user foobar x x Mister Foo)
(nick MrFoo)

You're now signed onto irc. If you do a whois on yourself, you'll see:

(whois MrFoo)
:your.local.server 311 MrFoo MrFoo foobar yourhost.dom.ain * :Mister Foo
:your.local.server 312 MrFoo MrFoo your.local.server your.local.m-line
:your.local.server 317 MrFoo MrFoo 0 :is the idle time for this user
:your.local.server 318 MrFoo MrFoo :* End of /WHOIS list.


(quit)

Seen from a real client:
*** MrFoo is foobar@yourhost.dom.ain (Mister Foo)
*** on irc via server your.local.server (your.local.m-line)
 - Server)
*** * End of /WHOIS list.

Yeah, it's *that* easy to fake a user@host. 


So tell me, how will that stop places? I mean, until there's an option
like forcing people to run identd or be marked UNAUTH then we're stuck
with people being able to get around any kind of limit set like that.

And it won't stop crackers who have broke root from setting up random
accounts.

--Helen
--
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:40:12 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

>Okay! Let me get this straight.
>1) ALL bots, even nickserv and noteserv and the alike, have the potential of
>   flooding the net and should be removed.

I think it has already been explained to you once that those bots *cannot*
get caught in a loop with another user.  Maybe you need it spelled out to
you...

[mindless dribble deleted from someone with a bot that thinks '/on public
 "*<key phrase>*" say dorky phrase' is cute]

Yes, I lowered myself to a direct flame because I'm sick of seeing you try
and justify a bot that "wanders from channel to channel" and breaks protocol.

-- 
--- Daryn Sharp   Darkman@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator)
Subject: Re: IRC going down in two weeks all over (!?)
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:25:36 GMT

mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:

>Heard this rumor from a friend of a friend who is on the Board of Directors.
>Claims that it is taking up too much room (i.e. bandwidth on the Internet).
>This source is reliable, is there anyone who can back up this claim?

That sounds like shit to me. IRC traffic takes up less then 1% of the
total internet traffic, so I can't see how the above statment is
true.


Dave
From: titus@coombs.anu.edu.au (titus chiu)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:51:17 GMT
Organization: Coombs Computing Unit, Australian National University, Canberra.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user on Coombs at ANU. The
              opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily
              those of the Australian National University.

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

>from samson, vi (which is the silly editor tin uses on unix1) does no longer
>recognize the cursor keys, and editing anything is impossible. I can at best

just because you don't know how to use vi doesn't make it silly, and i dont
see why anybody would want to know how you telnet from one place to another
on irc anyway.

>post something without quotes - if what I write is correct before I press
>return.

learn to selective quote while you are at it.

>: you have to buy/beg/borrow/steal the rest of the clues, you clueless dork.
>: 
>Another useless comment. Could you please try to be a bit more creative and
>thereby use less bandwidt on bullshit comments like these.

wow, i can see your comment is once again completely useful and is the best
use of bandwidth.

> herm
> (Say NO to unattended bots)

>/Gard - no disclaimer/why waste bandwidth?

blah

titus
(Say NO to unattended bots)

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From: titus@coombs.anu.edu.au (titus chiu)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs ! (Services)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 09:26:25 GMT
Organization: Coombs Computing Unit, Australian National University, Canberra.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user on Coombs at ANU. The
              opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily
              those of the Australian National University.

lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) writes:

>	Speaking about wasting bandwidth, I would like to thank you Titus
> for taking so much care in not doing that yourself. That lovely wall message
> to all of *.edu about some idiots birthday really touched me, and was well
> worth the HUGE waste in bandwidth.

blah... and it was actually a global msg, not a wall.

>			Lawrence C Mc Abee.
>			(say NO to idiots)

ok, NO Mr. Mc Abee

titus
(Say NO to unattended bots)
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:18:21 GMT

Okay! Let me get this straight.
1) ALL bots, even nickserv and noteserv and the alike, have the potential of
   flooding the net and should be removed.
2) Everyone using IRCii has the potential of flooding the channel and should
   not IRC.
3) Everyone having the posibility of redirecting inputs and outputs of irc
   to a programme, perhaps a infinite.output.programme | irc, which again
   uses irc through a unix account has got the potential to flood the
   channel and should not IRC.
4) There are a lot of silly discussions on IRC, and some channel go very
   silent sometimes. Some people just login and don't say a word for half
   an hour. This is a waste of bandwidth and these people should therefore
   not IRC.
5) There are a lot of silly discussions going on on the newsgroups. Groups
   like *jokes* and *silly* should be removed.
6) Silly comments are a waste of bandwidth and should be removed.
7) Disclaimers take up a lot of space and wastes bandwidth. They should be
   removed.
8) Unix accounts have the potential to flood the net. They should be removed.

Are we getting anywhere with this? I suppose we're left with the FTPing, but
these can be taken over by sending eachother disks through the post. And what
have we got left? Email perhaps? But you can flood the net with you email
account, too. Perhaps we should just remove the net so that it can't be
flooded. Voila! All problems have been solved.

GET REAL!

/Gard - "Say no to disclaimers"


Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:54:50 GMT

Woops! The second line in the programme should of course read
/on -notice nickserv /exec -msg nickserv echo help
and not
/on -notice nickserv /exec -msg echo help

/Gard - say...

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: ajmorrison@happy.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: IRC FAQ ???
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:29:30 MDT

In article <1992Nov15.003913.28801@athena.cs.uga.edu>, stone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Robert Stone) writes:
> 
> Is there no IRC FAQ available on this group?  If not, where is a source
> of information on IRC that describes the concept and specifics?
> 
> Basically what I want to know is how it's all put together and how to
> access IRC.
> 
> R/s
> 
Count me in too! I have heard about IRC from several people, but don't know how
to get onto it...

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Server list request !! 
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:43:54 GMT

In article <BxtFyp.53A@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ksbeh@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Terence Beh) writes:

>Sometimes , I can't connect to any of them , please tell me what is going on .
>Don't know if this is server problem or something else.

If you can't connect to a large number of different servers, odds are
it's a local network problem that you can't do anything about.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: seversoc@columbia.dsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER L SEVERSON)
Subject: irc connectivity
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:35:11 GMT

Hello --
	I am new to the IRC, and I was wondering if there is a list of all 
the different sites that you can telnet to in order to hook up to the IRC.  
I know of a couple, but they have a limited number of people that can be 
hooked up at one time.  Are they all like this?  Any responses would be very 
appreciated.
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii
From: jont@cs.su.oz.au (Jonathon Earnshaw Tidswell)
Subject: Re: Keep the flood.
Reply-To: Ernie@IRC
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.115138.27036@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) wrote:
  
| Try this, mr Herman
| 
| /on -msg * msg nickserv@service.de help
|
| and then
| 
| /msg nickserv@service.de help
| 
| Now watch the flood. Does this mean that nickserv should be removed?
Um if you understood the protocol you would know this is YOUR fault.
Yes YOUR fault, since it is your client reponding with a message to a message.
Actually this should do nothing since you should never get a privmsg from
nickserv.
| 
| Now try this:
| 
| /on -list * list
| 
| and then
| 
| /list

I like this, its fun :-)

| Now have some fun for yourself, trying to figure out why the hell IRC has
| been so badly programmed.
Bad programming ? Support the claim.
Badly abused ? Yes !
Badly designed with repect to the consequences ? Yes.

Ernie
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From: titus@coombs.anu.edu.au (titus chiu)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs ! (Services)
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:03:30 GMT
Organization: Coombs Computing Unit, Australian National University, Canberra.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user on Coombs at ANU. The
              opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily
              those of the Australian National University.

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>titus chiu (titus@coombs.anu.edu.au) wrote:

>: which is exactly why local services is needed, as someone already pointed
>: out.

>Mmmm.... As I understand it, wouldn't local services be a waste of bandwidth?

No it wouldn't, thus you dont understand it. You might also like to 
understand how to only quote the relevant parts if you are so concerned 
about bandwidth.

>/Gard - "Say no to disclaimers"

titus
(Say NO to unattended bots)
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From: atra@galaxy.ucr.edu (wayne wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: I need a irc server listing AND the FAQ.
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:49:23 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Like the subject says: I need a irc server listing AND the FAQ.

I don't read this group, so please email me. AdvTHANKSance.

Wayne

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From: ignacio@nightshade.cs.odu.edu (Anthony Ignacio)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: screen
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:10:27 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va

Greets folx,

I've been using screen for a couple of days in conjunction with IRC.  I'm still
quite ignorant of the full capabilities of screen.  (I usu. ran X-windows.)  I
was just wondering if there were any screen users out there who could help me
out.  All I want to be able to do is have a detached screen stay 'active'.  By
this I mean I'd like to have a detached IRC session not ping out on me.  I'd
also like to know how (if possible) to allow your screen to scroll.  I've tried
leaving a detached screen overnight with IRC running as a test and the first
time I just got pinged out only to re-connect when I re-attached the screen, the
second time the session didn't ping out but I got flooded by msg's that were
left while I was gone.  (The hold_mode value was set to off so that was not the
problem.)  I'd really appreciate any help in the matter.  Please e-mail your
responses to ignacio@cs.odu.edu, since I don't read alt.irc much.  Thanx in
advance.

Anthony Ignacio
ignacio@cs.odu.edu
CyberMage on IRC ;-)

PS.  I'm on SunOS 4.1.2 if that helps any.  Thanx again.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: bolwidt@fwi.uva.nl (Erwin Bolwidt)
Subject: Re: A new (very simple) bot solution
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:54:16 GMT

bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Cor Bosman) writes:

>spidy@acca.nmsu.edu (Da Spidy-Mon) writes:

>>Making it so that only one IRC session is used by only one LOGIN is still a
>>good idea. I mean, most of the BOTS that are on the net are dead bots. No

>No its NOT! Its a very bad idea. It has been said before, but this
>would mean people will run more and more hacked clients which
>fake the username. It also means, I could EASILY put up a user@host
>pair for any arbitrary address, and thus succesfully locking that
>person out of irc. Then we'll get the same shit with user/host
>that we now have with nicknames. 
>*luser* can you please kill n3tl0ser, he's using my address.

I agree with Cor Bosman it's a bad idea.. if any developer went crazy and
added such code to the server release, i'd be the first to change my server
to add a dot and a serial number to the username. It's so simple... why
are people always trying to police other peoples lifes instead of coming up
with real solutions?

Erwin Bolwidt
-- 
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<erwin @ mars.let.uva.nl>                                 (_U_)

Newsgroups: alt.irc