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From: dfh@dwroll.att.com (D461-David_F_Haertig(Dave)83040)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Stacker ate my hard disk again.  :(  help....
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:37:20 GMT
Reply-To: dfh@dwroll.att.com
Originator: dfh@dwroll

From article <1992Dec16.155326.18373@vitro.com>, by mmangieri@vitro.com (Mikey):

>Here we go again with horror stories about write-protected disks. The write
>protection is a _fail-safe Feature_ of Stacker, _not_ an error.  When Stacker
>determines that an error has occured, it write protects your hard disk so that
>the integrity of the data remains stable while you run the utilities to fix the
>problem. Then, after re-booting the machine, all is well again. Read the manual
>people  ;)

Actually, the volume write-protection feature *is not* covered well at
all in the *Stacker 2.0* manual.  I've heard the 3.0 manual is better.
The 2.0 manual mentions it only in passing, in the "error message" section
of the manual.  I can't quote it exactly, but it's something to the
effect:  "Run SCHECK and do what it recommends".  That's it.  More
detail on the feature can be had if you download the proper Technical
Note from STAC's BBS.  Even though I read my Stacker manual cover-to-cover
before installing (version 2.0), I had no clue on fixing a write-protected
volume until *after* I read the tech note.  No, I haven't encountered
any problems with Stacker to date -- but I keep all the tech notes handy
should that day ever come.

Dave Haertig
haertig@att.com
From: teddy@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Teddy Iglehart [Ted E. Bear])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: help installing strange hd
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:27:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I have a Western Digital Caviar 2120 Drive
which is a 125meg IDE.  I cannot get it to
format correctly.  It has stamped on the
front as having 872 cyl, 8 head, but when
I tell my Bios this Fdisk thinks it is a
56.7 meg.  When I set it to similiar
settings as my Seagate 125meg I can format
it to the correct size but it is not
bootable....can someone help?

teddy@emx.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: fjd@eskimo.com (Frederick Dickey)
Subject: Re: Looking for AWK Under DOS/Windows...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:15:22 GMT

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>We're looking for a good port of AWK for DOS or Windows.  Does
>anyone have any experience with one that they like and would
>recommend?  The only one I have heard of is, I believe, part of
>MKS's toolkit.  Any comments?

There's a GNU version of Awk called Gawk that runs under DOS. I probably
got my version from Compuserve or Genie. I haven't used for anything
except fairly simple tasks, but it seems to work just fine.

Fred
From: Sheldon.Sawatzky@f886.n2000.z12.misgate.gmi.org (Sheldon Sawatzky)
Sender: uucp@misgate.gmi.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Compress Huge File 3/3
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 13:48:04 -0700

Part 3/3

MOTIVATION, DETAILED DESCRIPTION, AND BACKGROUND

ZBACKUP is a simple aid to help you fulfill your responsibility to
yourself by backing up not all DOS files, but rather ones that you
have what you feel is significant investment in and which couldn't
be re-installed in the event of a fixed disk disaster. In general it
is recommended that you make at least one formal full DOS Backup of
your entire fixed disk, probably using the DOS Backup command.
Whether or not you do this, ZBACKUP is a utility that you may wish
to run either weekly or daily, depending on how much you use your
PC.

The disadvantage of ZBACKUP is that YOU must keep the index
ZBACKUP.INX up to date and YOU must know WHICH files in a package
(e.g., like DBASE III, EXCEL, WordPerfect, etc.) that are not
"re-installable". The advantage is that in many cases all such files
that you have significant time investment in on a typical 100M fixed
disk system will Zbackup in 2 or 3 minutes to one or two (1.44M)
diskettes. You may wish to rotate two or three sets of Zbackup
diskettes both to insure better integrity and in some cases to
retrieve files that were inadvertently changed and then backed up
once (but not to all sets of Zbackup diskettes).

ZBACKUP.BAT is simple tool that does two actions: (1) uses Phil
Katz's PKZIP to compress a SELECTED index of filespecs in the file
C:\ZBACKUP.INX; and (2) then back up the compressed result to
diskette using the DOS BACKUP command. ZBACKUP calls no other
programs other than PKZIP and DOS's BACKUP command. To restore files
requires DOS RESTORE and PKUNZIP. The DOS BACKUP is to drive A:
unless you edit ZBACKUP.BAT and change that. As it turns out, DOS
Version 4.0 and above BACKUP command doesn't change the file
C:\ZBACKUP.ZIP (except for splitting it across diskette if it
happens not to fit on the one diskette). Thus you can add up the
sizes of the DOS Backup piece(s) and this will equal the size in
bytes of C:\ZBACKUP.ZIP. Likewise if C:\ZBACKUP.ZIP fits on one
diskette (often the case), after DOS Backup you can issue: PKUNZIP
-v A:\BACKUP.001 to view its contents, just as you'd do for a
regular Zip file. If C:\ZBACKUP.ZIP is not erased between ZBACKUP
commands, files there will be "updated" (or added if you add
filespecs to C:\ZBACKUP.INX). One enhancement you may wish to add is
to invoke your favorite editor on the file ZBACKUP.INX just before
PKZIP is called in ZBACKUP.BAT. Another would be to use invoke your
favorite editor to display this Help file; e.g., EDIT C:\ZBACKUP.HLP
HDK - 10/6/92.

   ---------------------Example of ZBACKUP.INX follows-------------------
C:\KEDIT\*.KEX
C:\KEDIT\*.KML
C:\BATCH\*.*
C:\UTIL\*.*
C:\REXX\*.REX
C:\WATFOR77\*.FOR
C:\WATFOR77\*.DAT
C:\CONFIG.SYS
C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
C:\DOS\*.INI
C:\DOS\*.BAT
C:\ZBACKUP.INX
D:\DATA\*.


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From: v120q4jf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Vax Crazie (ROB B.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: $100 hanheld scanners.. Any good?
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




Does anyone have one of those cheap, $100 black and white scanners? They scan
while you hold them in your hand....... It seems that Mustek makes one that 
would be good to buy...

________________________________________________________________________________
........>>Rob                                 v120q4jf@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu 
________________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)
Subject: Re:  3.5" dis , 1.44MB, or 2.0MB :SUMMARY
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:08:36 GMT

In article <Bz3rEK.JEs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v120q4jf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Vax Crazie (ROB B.)) writes:
...
>     I guess Sony just uses their "2.0 MB unformatted"
>as a marketing tool for the person who is a sucker.
...

Hardly.  Sony has no way to know how you might format those disks.
FDFORMAT ver 1.8 can get 1.68MB at the same bit density on those same
80 tracks.  Norton Backup gets about the same capacity by formatting
the data area with 1024-byte sectors instead of 512.  The box of disks
on my desk right now shows both the unformatted and formatted
capacities.  It says, "Formats to IBM: 1.44MB."  Of course, that's not
necessarily true either, as I just pointed out.

All 3.5" HD disks will have the identical capacity if formatted the
same way.  It's not the same situation as with tape, where different
lengths can be packaged in the same physical shell.

Bob Nichols
AT&T Bell Laboratories
rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: mellman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bill Mellman)
Subject: Re: HELP: Borland C/C++ 3.1
Keywords: help,borland,c,c++,3.1
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:20:37 GMT

In article <Dec.16.16.19.16.1992.9395@remus.rutgers.edu> byu@remus.rutgers.edu (Bob Yu) writes:
>
>Hello,
>	I am interested in buying Borland C++ 3.1 with Applications,
>but I am somewhat confused...  What are the differences between two
>different version of same software?  There are Educational/Acadamic
>version (I can get it for ~$250) and Commercial/Regular version (I can
>get it for ~$500).

No difference at all (except one is cheaper :)
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: How to create a "more" batch file?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:07:08 GMT

alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Su) writes:

>behavior as in UNIX?  For example:
> <C:\><some command that produces output> | more
>I want to do this without having to specify the full path to my dos
>directory.  Anyway to do this?  (I know this sounds like I want to have my
>cake and eat it too, but there *must* be a way...)

Well, you can scan for the file more241 and then rename your more.com
in your dos directory to something else and the two won't conflict.

Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: mellman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bill Mellman)
Subject: Re: HOW 2... PC Batch Programming
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:50:38 GMT

In article <8k-rv8c@lynx.unm.edu> graves@jemez.eece.unm.edu (John Graves) writes:
>I'm frustrated...
>
>Is it just me, or is DOS Batch worthless.?..
>
>Is there a way to read input from a user(More than 1 char) and put
>it into a var?
>
>I have Norton Batch Enhancer, but this isn't much of an enhancement.
>
>Is there a way to extract characters from a variable? ie array $1[5]?


There are three excellent programs (two of which were written by one of 
my best friends).  The first is called BATENV; it prompts the user for
data which it stores in an environment variable (it does some other
neat things too).  Next is BATGET which sets an errorlevel based on
user input.  BATGET accepts single chars or words from a list.  BATGET
is MUCH more powerful than ASK.  Finally there is some other program
out there called STRINGS (I don't know who wrote it).  STRINGS
can parse environment vars for substrings.  BATENV and BATGET (written
by my friend) should be available via CompuServe.  I will ask my
friends permission to post them to some place like Splicer.  Sorry I
forgot where I got STRINGS, but it's probably on Splicer
(splicer.cba.hawaii.edu) or WuArchive (wuarchive.wustl.edu).
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From: sh0001@medtronic.COM (Scott Hansohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: OPTI chipset problems
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:22:29 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I understand there has been some discussion in this newsgroup re: problems
running soundcards on '486 systems running the OPTI chipset and AMI bios.  In
particular, the problems involve parity errors and possible conflicts with DMA
cascading.

If so, they've been expired from our system.  If anyone could post/mail a
summary, I'd appreciate it.  Has this information been added to an FAQ
anywhere?

Thanks
--s
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Seeking Discount Mail Order Sources for PC Compatibles
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:55:39 GMT

As the subject says....

If you know of a mail order house that 
a) advertises its software at a discount,
b) beats other advertised prices, 
c) is willing to haggle or
d) Other. (What other?)

then please EMAIL me their name and number. I'll post a 
            ^^^^^
summary of the replies if the response justifies this.

I'd appreciate any special details of exactly how you got the 
discount price (a,b,c,d,?).  Thanks very much.

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From: matthias@nsr.hp.com (Matthias Kamm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: UNIX's for PC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 22:45:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpmvd069.nsr.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7]

Satan (gisie@wam.umd.edu) wrote:
: I am looking for a version of UNIX for my PC (486DX-50)...
: What vendors are available, prices, ph #'s, etc will all
: be of help...
: 
: Also, has anyone heard of LINUX??? What it be?
: 
: Last...still looking for best price and place to order some
: 4Mbx9 60ns SIMMs... come on you cheapies!!!!
: 
: 
: Thanks,
: Tim
:
Tim,
How about Coherent Unix for x86 machines?  I picked this s/w
up to learn unix about one year ago, and would be happy to 
sell it to you cheap.  Coherent is by Mark Williams company
and was reviewed in BYTE about 6 months ago.  Let me know
Matthias Kamm
From: gs34+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gregg Matthew Sterling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: 3.5" dis , 1.44MB, or 2.0MB
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:50:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0f_JBq200YUn9esG47
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The key word is that one is unformatted and the other is formatted space.
When you format a disk, the system has to take up a certain amount of space
on the disk in order to work with your computer.. So when you format a disk
with Dos, you lose approximately .56MB of space to the system. Basically the
2.0MB is just the raw disk, and depending on what computer you format the
disk on will decide how much space the system takes up...
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: $100 hanheld scanners.. Any good?
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:52:16 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Wed 16 Dec 92  7:00, V120q4jf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (vax
wrote:

 V> Does anyone have one of those cheap, $100 black and white scanners?
 V> They scan
 V> while you hold them in your hand....... It seems that Mustek makes one
 V> that 
 V> would be good to buy...

I have the inexpensive Mustek scanner and use it with the bundled ScanKit
Grey, PC Paintbrush+ (but don't scan direct to PB+), and Perceive OCR. It
works great if you keep in mind the design limitations. 

If you are the impatient type, forget it. Scans (especially OCR and
stitched images) are good ONLY if YOU are both slow AND can scan straight.

As the editor of an unsophisticated club newsletter, I use my scanner every
month to bring member submitted articles in via OCR, and on rare occasion a
public domain clip art (forget photos - I can make them look okay at
800X600 on my monitor but it takes too much work to make one print well). I
do save quite a bit of typing and although it is faster than retyping, it
isn't a fast process if you follow my meaning.

Sometime soon I am going to obtain one of the trays to help with making
parallel scans.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

jim_johnson@abcd.houghton.mi.us
from Calumet, Michigan, USA -the world's former copper mining capital, 
located on Lake Superior and home to America's newest National Park,
** The Keweenaw National Historic Park **
From: jbjones@crash.cts.com (John Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Anyone seen a decent C-shell knockoff for DOS?-==+==-
Date: 20 Dec 92 08:10:06 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I'm looking for a workable cshell sortathing for DOS.  I would like
something that can do nested processing, like

If (awk -f this that) == "Tuesday" {Do this stuff}
Else {Do this other stuff}

Where it would perform what's in the parentheses, then use the output
to complete the test.  Anyone seen such a thang, I'd appreciate the
help.

john jbjones@crash.cts.com
From: frank@whare.cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Frank van der Hulst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: XYWrite->AnythingElse;
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:29:04 NZT
Organization: Tech-Soft Systems, Wellington, NZ

jasonp@bungee.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Pascucci) wrote the following: 
> Are there any programs which will transform XYWrite documents
> to something a little more portable? (XYWrite2PostScript would
> be most perferable.:)
> 
> I don't have XYWrite, and the $445 pricetag in ComputerShopper
> for XYWrite3.0 is insane for what it appears to do. I'm
> getting some documents in either Ascii or XYWrite format,
> and I'd prefer to keep any pleasant formatting
> that has been worked on, but I'll just take the ASCII
> if it's too much of a pain. 

I've used XyWrite 3 a fair bit. There's a (commercial) translator program called Word for Word, which purports to accept XyWrite files and convert them. I tried it to convert to WP5, and it locked up :-(

There's also a shareware/PD Word Processor to Word Processor converter -- you give it the input formatting command, and what it should be translated to. I haven't tried it, though, and can't recall the name.

XyWrite is extremely powerful, but hard to learn. If you bought it, you could use it to write a file in some other format (after a fair amount of learning about its macro & printer driver facilities).

As some-one else has said, XyWrite imbedded commands have the form <<TS5,12,34>> for example to set Tab Stops. If it was me, I'd use an editor to search for those commands and replace them with your own.

Frank.


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From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: HOW 2... PC Batch Programming
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:16:51 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

mellman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bill Mellman) writes:

>Sorry I forgot where I got STRINGS...

I believe that STRINGS was just recently posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc,
so go check it out!

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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Subject: Re: Stacker ate my hard disk again. : ( help....
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:19:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.171516.2631@pcx.ncd.com> chrisk@pcx.ncd.com (Chris Kessel) writes:
>I've used Stacker (2.0 I think) for about 6 months will 0 problems.  No
>lost files, not corrupted files.  I've got a 200 meg drive with a 1 
>non-stacked drive and five 25 meg stacked volumes (which ends up being
>about 50 megs after stacker).  The partitioning was kind of stupid, but
>I didn't partition it (partitioned by a relative who set the system up
>for me) and it works, so I leave it alone.  

Actually, the partitioning does make sense, from a speed point of view.
If you have, say, a 200MB drive and you leave it all as one partition, then
when you run an app, the heads may have to travel from one side of the hard
drive to the other.  When you partition, every time you switch to a different
drive, the heads move to that location, then everything on that drive is
near the park position.  If you do heavy usage on that drive, then, you aren't
thrashing your heads back and forth as much as you would be if everything
was scattered all over the disk.
   This is especially important for programs like Windows, where you would
want all the apps and temporary files in the same general area on your
hard drive, because of the amount of swapping it doe.  The easiest way to
group programs together is to make a partition and put all the software on
that logical drive.
   It's a lot easy than trying to use a defragmenter to do it, anyway.  :)

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From: ted@helios.UCSC.EDU (Ted Cantrall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Magazines for PC: Which is better?
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:45:09 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Dec11.125234.11746@cs.unca.edu> fauerbac@ivy.cs.unca.edu (John Fauerbach) writes:
->c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien) writes:
->: Which PC magazine is best for someone mainly interested in programming?
->: What exactly is the difference b/w PC Computing, PC Sources, PC Magazine
->: and PC World?
->: 
->: Any info would be appreciated, as I can't subscribe to them all.. =)
--------------
IMHO, none of the mentioned mags are for programmers. A lot of mags deal
heavily in reviews. There are programming specific mags such as The C Users
Journal. I can`t think of any other titles off hand but I know there are
several.
			-ted-

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From: mccauleyba@vax1.bham.ac.uk (Brian McCauley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Compose key for DOS - alpha testers wanted
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:54:53 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.bham.ac.uk

I am currently working on a utility for DOS to emulate the "Compose" key
of a DEC terminal. The utility is completely configurable through a
text INI file allowing any sequence of keystrokes (including held keys)
to return any ascii/scan code to DOS.

In conjunction with an ANSI terminal driver it will allow different
strings to be assigned to normally indistiguishable keys.

The final version will be General Public Licenced and have a resident
size of about 4k (loadable high).

Users of UK keyboards (and others that are very close to US keyboards)
will be able to use it in place of KEYB (others would probably find it
more efficient to use it in addition).

An alpha-test version that supports only US and UK keyboards is now
available for comment. It also supports only the US code page.

The alpha-test does not TSR it simply installs itself then
shells out so it has a resident size of about 130k.

I shall need some help adding support for non US/UK keyboards - in
particular if anyone knows the format of KEYBOARD.SYS this will help
automate the process.

Question: does anyone out there frequently switch code pages except at
system startup? Does anyone ever use more than one keyboard?

Any budding alpha-testers please mail me. State if you don't have ARJ.
State if you want source. (You'll need YACC, LEX, Assembler and C++
if you want to rebuild it).

A Beta-test version which will TSR should be available towards the end
of January.
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