From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Some examples (Was Re: Winning by Violation (was: new group?))
Date: 5 Sep 92 12:39:56 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Organization: Nefolet shel nemushot (Fallout of Wimps)

In article <1992Sep4.150138.20420@panix.com>gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:

>Hillel, are you aware of the difference between attacking
>someone personally and disputing their ideas?

Please spell out for me the Politically Correct definition
of the difference.. 

E.g. Please explain the reasons for the following rejection.
(I tried to point out ideas which were posted and were baseless
and/or run against counter examples.  I'm sure that you can
explain why these were judged personal attacks...)

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Status: O

 > 
 > In article <49810@ricerca.UUCP> jan@oas.olivetti.com writes:
 > >The "custody for women" thing is new, and IMO will be short-lived.  
 > 
 > What makes you think so?
 > 
 > Will you be willing to bet 25% of *your* income on that?
 > 


Send this as private email.

--Cindy

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Too hostile.

--Cindy

 > In article <1991Oct30.153557.580@meteor.wisc.edu> hechtel@meteor.wisc.edu (Leslie Hechtel) writes:
 > >Oh?  I don't know about the affirmative action issue,
 > >     I've never heard of feminist support for priority custody,
 > >     I've never heard of 'choice for women, not for men', unless you
 > >are referring to the fact that pro-choice feminists tend to support the
 > >woman's ultimate decision-making power as to what will happen to her
 > >body,
 > >     and if you'd pick up a copy or two of Ms. magazine (which IMHO is a
 > 
 > Tell me just one thing Ms. "I've never heard about it" Leslie,
 > what's your opinion about such paragraphs:
 > 
 > "In her ground-breaking new book, "The Demon Lover: On the Sexuality of
 > Terrorism," Robin Morgan advances an analysis of terrorism in which the soldier
 > (the State's hero) and the terrorist (the Revolution's hero) are mirror-image
 > expressions of male nature, not human nature.  A feminist writer who was once
 > involved in small, pre-Weathermen, "armed propaganda" groups, Morgan opens a
 > window of thought and action that lets us move out of a male-centered politics
 > of Thanatos - the romance of death - into a feminist politics of Eros, a loving
 > life force. 
 > 
 > The following excerpt, drawn from Chapters 1,5 and 6 of "The Demon Lover,"
 > shows us how maleness itself becomes the weapon of destruction, and how
 > women who seek political change are coerced, deceived, and seduced into
 > fighting for manhood under the illusion that they are ending their own
 > oppression and creating a humane world."
 >                                   ---  Ms. magazine, March 1989
 > 
 > (Aside from the fact that you've never heard any such
 > opinion in Ms. Magazine...)
 > 
 > >Leslie M. Hechtel
 > 
 > Hillel                                               gazit@cs.duke.edu
 > 
 > "Indeed, one of the earliest forms of male bonding must have
 > been the gang rape of one woman by a band of marauding men."
 >                                  -- ("Against Our Will", Susan Brownmiller)

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Hillel                                            gazit@cs.duke.edu

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