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From: dandrews@bilver.uucp (Dave Andrews)
Subject: Re: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.133939.12289@kodak.kodak.com> axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
>As I was spending a leisurely day at home yesterday, feeding the baby, a 
>gentleman pulled into my driveway and proceeded to take a picture of my 
>house (without leaving his car).  I could not think of any legitimate reason
>why he should be doing this and quickly jotted down his license number as 
>he drove away.  I wanted to run out and confront him, but had my hands full 
>of hungry baby :-)

Legitimate reason?  Maybe not, but could be innocent.

A few years ago my wife and I were in New Jersey seeing some of her
relatives.  She had told me many, many times during our courtship and
marriage about the good times she had as a child in her family's
summer home near the New Jersey coast.  We found ourselves in the
neighborhood, and so we went to her old street just to see how
things had changed (I had never seen the house).

We parked the camper on the street and gawked for a couple of
minutes.  To me it was just a house, but my wife got all teary
and stuff.  I asked if she wanted a picture, and she said yes please.
So... I got out and took a couple of snapshots.

Sure enough, a Concerned Neighbor came out of her house and asked
(politely) just what the hell we were doing there taking pictures.
I explained it all to her satisfaction, and went away feeling good
that someone in the neighborhood cared to make the inquiry.

ANYWAY... (sorry to ramble) maybe your driveway photographer had a
similar story.  Maybe not.

Guess it's prudent to get his license number these days, though.

- David Andrews
  dandrews@bilver.oau.org

Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
Subject: Re: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:24:22 GMT

He could work for an appraiser who is working to determine the value
of your house.  The taking of videos or still pictures is commonplace
in such an instance.

Basically, someone can take a picture of or watch whatever they want
from a public street or other public place.  Of course, you did say
he came into your driveway.

In Georgia, all private property is considered "posted," even in the
absence of any such signs.  You could file a police report for
trespassing if the laws in your area are similar, since you say he
did come/drive into your driveway.

I am not a lawyer, I just take a lot of pictures and know what I can
and cannot do in my locale.  Your situation and circumstances are
probably different.
--
"Yes, he really said that!"
From: kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Peter Kaplan -Yodh)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: A new invasion of privacy
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:10:51 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

In article <1650@anagld.analytics.com> sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn) writes:
>kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Peter Kaplan -Yodh) writes:
>
>>   Group, McMillan, 49, began staking out the parking lots of
>>   Jackson's two abortion clinics, writing down the license
>>   numbers of young women as they drove past.  Then, with the
>>   addresses supplied by sympathetic police, he began visiting
>
>I thought that license plates were public knowledge.  I don't see it as
>invading someone's privacy to look up their license plate and getting an
>address.  This seems to be the same as looking up an address and finding a
>phone number to match.  Neither is an invasion.
>

My problem with this answer is that it takes a very legal approach to the
question, "what is privacy?"  Is it abusive to look up a license plate?
Or does it become abusive when you invade their personal/family relationships
to inject your own political agenda?

I would like to understand McMillan as someone who is doing something
basically immoral because for him, the ends are so powerfully important
that they justify the means.

This is why, when quoting the original article, I carefully included comments
from people on McMillan's side who strongly disagree with him.

One problem with ideas of privacy, I beleive, is that it is impossible
and/or not desirable to make all invasions of privacy illegal.

--Peter (kaplan@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu)
From: James_Zuchelli@qm.claris.com (James Zuchelli)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:17:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Claris Corp

In article <1992Oct1.133939.12289@kodak.kodak.com>, axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
> 
> 
> I know that the issue of determining someone's identity from their license
> plate has been discussed at length here, but I didn't pay close attention
> because I never expected to need the info :-(
> Well, now I think I do; here's the story.  
> As I was spending a leisurely day at home yesterday, feeding the baby, a 
> gentleman pulled into my driveway and proceeded to take a picture of my 
> house (without leaving his car).  I could not think of any legitimate reason
> why he should be doing this and quickly jotted down his license number as 
> he drove away.  I wanted to run out and confront him, but had my hands full 
> of hungry baby :-)
> 
> In the state of New York, what are my options for trying to determine his 
> identity and why he is photographying my home?
> 
> I realize this goes against the grain with many of you, but hey, he 
> violated my privacy first; I just want to call him up and find out why.
> 
> mike
> 
Who knows what he w as up to but I sometimes photo houses both by asking 
first and just "shooting".  I am doing a lon-term photo history on several
blocks of homes in Hayward, CA.  When I wanted to go out and take picutres
I called the police department and said I would be out and told them what and
why.  They asked for my license number and vehicle description.  No problem.
At each house I asked permission of the owners to take picutures.  Most said
yes and a few invited me and gave me some history on their homes.

Othere times I will be out in the country somehwere and see a really nice old
home that I really like the looks of and just snap off a shot as I go by.  
Sometimes I just don't feel comfortable going up to someone and asking for
permission to photo their home.

The other day I was drving in the hills above Los Gatos where the homes are 
extremely expensive and I saw a couple that I really like, (especially the
landscaping) but I thought some total stranger in a dirty car asking for 
permission to photo a home because it "has nice landscaping" might sound a
little strange, so I didn't ask and I didn't photo either.

Anyway, just some ideas and comments.
James Zuchelli
------------------------------------
The above is mypersonal opinion and does not rperesent that of Claris Corp. or
my employer.
From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:20:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I went back to my hometown, having been away for 35 years, and
one of the things I did was drive around and take photos of all
the houses my family lived in when I was growing up, for my 
album.  Maybe the photog was just nostalgic; but, whatever
the reason, he should not have been in the driveway without
asking first.  That's what would irritate me.

-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice   WB6BYH                   Holler Observatory - 
tomrice@netcom.com                     Longitude:  121 d  30 m  20 s W 
CIS: 71160,1122                        Latitude:    37 d  25 m  10 s N
From: DSTEPHEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: DMV and Privacy
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:04:38 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1amm2cINNt2n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
>  A bill has passed both Assembly and Senate here in
>  California and is waiting for governor signature that
>  allows the DMV to =sell= information about all
>  drivers in the state...

Welcome to post-industrial America, cousin.  The wonderful state of Michigan
has been doing this for years, so that any time you buy a new car (or new-to-
you car) you receive tons of junk mail from insurance companies and other
charitable organizations and public benefactors.  Word is there is a bill in
the works that would allow the state to sell not only information about
drivers, but the drivers themselves, to any interested corporation.  I would
go a long way toward getting rid of all those bothersome welfare cheats.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman)
Subject: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:39:39 GMT


I know that the issue of determining someone's identity from their license
plate has been discussed at length here, but I didn't pay close attention
because I never expected to need the info :-(
Well, now I think I do; here's the story.  
As I was spending a leisurely day at home yesterday, feeding the baby, a 
gentleman pulled into my driveway and proceeded to take a picture of my 
house (without leaving his car).  I could not think of any legitimate reason
why he should be doing this and quickly jotted down his license number as 
he drove away.  I wanted to run out and confront him, but had my hands full 
of hungry baby :-)

In the state of New York, what are my options for trying to determine his 
identity and why he is photographying my home?

I realize this goes against the grain with many of you, but hey, he 
violated my privacy first; I just want to call him up and find out why.

mike


-- 
Mike Axman  
CD-Imaging Advanced Development
Eastman Kodak Company
axman@kodak.com


DISCLAIMER:
Kodak gives me this Net access for free, but they aren't 
responsible for my postings.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: evading phone taps
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:52:11 GMT

Mike Berger (berger@atropa) wrote:

: You were ok up to here.  I think eavesdropping is a lot easier
: than you indicate.  I've seen equipment at an FCC monitoring
: station that could show the presence of a 2 watt transmitter
: over 150 miles away.  If you're running mobile or portable

A 2-meter transmitter?  Not likely.  The signal fades into the background
noise fairly quickly, unless (1) you're line-of-sight, (2) have a great preamp,
and (3) a 25-element log periodic antenna.  Add to that the negative gain of
a small rubber duckie antenna, and your ERP just got cut in half (at least!).

: packet, then you're almost certainly not using a directional
: antenna, making it easy for any local monitor to find you
: (UHF may be line-of-sight, but if your antenna is omnidirectional
: your signal can be picked up by people as far as the eye can see).

Theoretically, yes - practically, not always.

: In your scenario, there's heavy government surveillance, so the
: "unexpected time" and non-standard radio frequencies won't
: throw anybody - they can watch the activity in the whole spectrum.

I've seen spectrum analyzers that will fit into a small briefcase.  Neat
equipment, but not great for alt.privacy fans.

: And you've just added more probably cause for arrest and search
: by operating radios illegally.  That's a federal offense.

Only if they catch you.  With the advent of the "no-code" amateur license
and the increased availability of 2-meter equipment (hell, anyone can go down
to their local Radio Shack and pay far less than $200 for an HTX-202 (I think
that's the model number) 2-meter transceiver).  Grady must like Icom
equipment...:), bootleggers have become a serious problem in some areas.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG                  erc@apple.com                     801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Subject: Fancy privacy techniques for ordinary people (Was: Re: evading phone taps
Organization: Mary Ellen Carter Salvage Crew
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:04:19 GMT

   Stephen Hebditch (steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk) writes, in part:
   "In what sort of circumstances would an ordinary individual 
   really need such [packet radio] technology?"
And spread spectrum, crypto, etc. ...

As Grady Ward mentions, the FBI would like everyone to think we don't.
Well, spread-spectrum and packet radio have a lot of purely commercial uses,
even if you ignore the privacy issues.  Packet radio is an efficient
way to use bandwidth, and spread-spectrum is not only good for noise resistance,
it's good for letting multiple users broadcast in the same area,
without prearrangement, with lower interference than standard techniques.
For example, NCR's WaveLAN network uses this as a broadcast Ethernet
replacement for local applications (longer with line-of-sight antennas),
though it also provides optional DES for enhanced privacy.

Encryption techniques also give you new ways to do authentication.
Banks can do electronic funds transfer with low risk of forgery.
In the past, there was a tradeoff between trust and privacy -
if you wanted to really know who a customer was, you made sure they
had N forms of ID, including their government ID cards (I'm sure the
FBI wouldn't mind), and the customer lost privacy because of it.
Now the customer can use cryptographic techniques to present a consistent
hard-to-forge identity to each business that needs it, without the
businesses being able to link the identities - and a lost wallet
doesn't have to mean that somebody else can impersonate you well
enough to abuse all your credit cards.  
--
				Pray for peace;      Bill
#Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.ho.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# Trickle-Down Economics: Giving money to government bureaucrats 
#	and hoping some will trickle down to the people who need help.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman)
Subject: Re: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:03:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.002018.14234@netcom.com>, tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) writes:
> Maybe the photog was just nostalgic; but, whatever
>the reason, he should not have been in the driveway without
>asking first.  That's what would irritate me.
>

Yes, although we are the last house on a dead-end street, so we get 
a lot of "turnarounds" in our driveway.  :-(

mike

-- 
Mike Axman  
CD-Imaging Advanced Development
Eastman Kodak Company
axman@kodak.com


DISCLAIMER:
Kodak gives me this Net access for free, but they aren't 
responsible for my postings.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: evading phone taps
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:33:36 GMT

grady@public.BTR.COM ( ) writes:
>In all of the above cases, all participants are using RSA 
>public keys that they have posted via radio or Internet.
>This precludes the FBI, or even the  NSA, from discovering
>the content of subsequent communications, even if detected
>and recorded.
>Radio direction finding, although a possibility, is precluded 
>by the mobility of the participants, the narrow line-of-sight 
>beam width of the UHF radio frequencies used, and the 
>unexpected time and non-standard radio channels employed.  
*----
You were ok up to here.  I think eavesdropping is a lot easier
than you indicate.  I've seen equipment at an FCC monitoring
station that could show the presence of a 2 watt transmitter
over 150 miles away.  If you're running mobile or portable
packet, then you're almost certainly not using a directional
antenna, making it easy for any local monitor to find you
(UHF may be line-of-sight, but if your antenna is omnidirectional
your signal can be picked up by people as far as the eye can see).
In your scenario, there's heavy government surveillance, so the
"unexpected time" and non-standard radio frequencies won't
throw anybody - they can watch the activity in the whole spectrum.
And you've just added more probably cause for arrest and search
by operating radios illegally.  That's a federal offense.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: sean@sdg.dra.com
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: DMV and Privacy
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:52:33 CDT
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

Yep, that the sad thing about most of these so-called "privacy" laws.  They
are rarely successful at preventing "big business" from obtaining the
information (who usually have the same information in their private files
anyway).  It just makes it more expensive for the "normal" person to obtain
the information without paying someone an huge fee (lawyers, private
investigators, etc).  Making it more expensive isn't going to stop the
psychos of the world.

For more information on state databases visit your local library and find
a copy of the book "The State Database Finder."  Most states sell copies
of their databases.
--
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: evading phone taps
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:44:42 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

It is illegal to transmit encrypted data on amateur frequencies.

-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
From: dlewis@wizclan.Kludge.COM (David Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Please ingore this private test message
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:16:19 GMT
Organization: Wizard's Clan, Moraga CA

Thank you for overlooking this.
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Stranger in my driveway; license search
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:58:45 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Oct1.133939.12289@kodak.kodak.com> axman@acadia.Kodak.COM (Mike Axman) writes:
>
>Well, now I think I do; here's the story.  
>As I was spending a leisurely day at home yesterday, feeding the baby, a 
>gentleman pulled into my driveway and proceeded to take a picture of my 
>house (without leaving his car).  I could not think of any legitimate reason
>why he should be doing this and quickly jotted down his license number as 
>he drove away.  I wanted to run out and confront him, but had my hands full 
>of hungry baby :-)
>

I've had this happen to me but I was able to confront the person.  It
turned out that he was from my insurance company and wanted to verify
the condition of my house so that it matched somewhat closely to what
I claimed it was worth for insurance purposes.

I was able to get his name and a phone number that I could call to find
out if he was legit which I did and he was (after double checking with
the phone book and telco (yes, the operator did that -- gave me the
name and address of the company)).

Dave
-- 

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
From: rtsmohd@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Info on KISS album
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:40:16 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University




Hi,

Can somebody tell me which KISS album that has the song "reason to live" ???



--thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,alt.guitar.bass,alt.rock-n-roll.hard
From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: RIDE -- (the band) -- questions?
Keywords: music genius california theremin beach boys extreme BOC
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:58:57 GMT



I've recently heard some recordings by a band called Ride.
The music is seems very intuitive and hard-core.  Can anyone
tell me more about RIDE, like where are they from, do they
belong to some rock sub-genre that is producing similar music?
Where can I read about them?
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.hard
From: platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt)
Subject: Re: Led Zeppelin Poll
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:16:05 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <-+jzht-@rpi.edu>, lunind@jec326.its.rpi.edu (Daniel B. Luning) writes:
|> I'm doing a poll to see what the best led zeppelin 
|> song is...
|> So if you could, send me your top 5 songs and favorite album by them.
|> The results will be posted in a few weeks...
|> And please rank them 1 => 5
|> 

1)	Achilles Last Stand
2)	Since I've Been Loving You
3)	What Is and What Should Never Be
4)	Heartbreaker (Riff is # 1, but this is ranking songs)
5)	Dazed and Confused

It's hard to rank these; all of them strike me as being definitive
Zeppelin, and represent their breadth and depth, as well as
chronological evolution.  Even so, it misses songs such as
Whole Lotta Love, Stairway to Heaven, No Quarter (exemplary of
the growth of keyboards which was growing more dominant as time
went on), most of their acoustic stuff, etc.  

Dan
From: ware9250@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Blind Melon, anyone??
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:59:07 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

hIn article <92269.20391432GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, <32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> I got it...it's really cool, but if your expecting Guns-N-Roses
> because he sang in their video don't buy it.  It kinda
> reminds me of "Janis Joplin Metal".  It's all alot like
> the video so if you like that than you should like the
> rest of it.
> 
>                    Doc

        Please tell me more about it, I am scheduled for a conference call with
the band Thursday, October 1 at 6 p.m. I haven't heard the band yet, but I have
a tape and I've found an article about them in Rolling Stone. If you have any
questions for the band, please let me know.

                p.s. If I can find the time, I'll post my notes from the
interview.



                Eric
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:16312 alt.music.alternative:11481 alt.music.progressive:2737
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.alternative,alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Shriekback question.
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:08:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

That song is "Nemesis" from _Oil_and_Gold_ which is, in my opinion,
their best (sublime) album.  It's probably their best known song.

I hear there is a new Shriekback album and tour upcoming.

Lena
Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:16336 rec.music.misc:24249 alt.guitar.bass:1464 alt.rock-n-roll.hard:476
From: bane@taylor.ma.man.ac.uk (MICHAEL)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,alt.guitar.bass,alt.rock-n-roll.hard
Subject: Re: RIDE -- (the band) -- questions?
Keywords: music genius california theremin beach boys extreme BOC
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:46:53 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

They are from Manchester and there seems to still
be several posters with their name on around the
place.
never seem them

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.hard,alt.rock-n-roll.metal