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From: Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: HAPPY and THANKS!
Keywords: HAPPY THANKS
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:54:51 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Whoop Whoop! Thanks for the signature Terry!

	Rich 'Z'


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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Subject: Re: lots o' questions&annotations for Mort
Reply-To: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:15:56 +0000

In article <memo.760299@cix.compulink.co.uk> kjackson@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov14.201417.14868@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth L. Blumberg) writes:
>>In fact, the first recorded steam engines were built in Ephebe (that's
>>Greece), more or less exactly as depicted in _Small Gods_.  I believe 'twas
>>Archimedes whose writings on steam engines have survived to the present day.
>>They did, in fact, use copper spheres as heating vessels, and these spheres
>>did, in fact, have a regrettable tendency to explode, which is what limited
>>their use until some bright person thought of adding overpressure relief
>>valves.
>
>I thought that the revolving sphere turbine was attributed to Hero of 
>Alexandria?

Yes, it is. But not in any practical form, as far as I have ever heard.
I don't know the size of Hero's constructions, but since their operating
principle was by letting steam out of a hole, I doubt whether they'd be
likely to explode unless the spheres were ambitiously large and the hole
so small as to give an extremely weak jet in relation to the sphere.

Nick.
From: mirsjf@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: re:Death In General
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:43:40 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


	The song "The devil went down to Georgia"

	was done by the Charlie Daniels Band

	but i'm not sure if they wrote it i seem to think

	they got it from some country singer and speeded it up

	
Simon

	p.s. The fiddle playing on it was RATHER good
From: jschmidt@oolong.Tymnet.COM (John Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Radio Play
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:25:26 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

Aargh!  So who do I have to bribe to get a copy of the series, or is it
likely to be available from BBC?  It's a bit far from here...

Thanks,

John

(Yes, I did go to London for British Telecom, where I did buy all the
books I could, deleriously happy when I found out they are duty free,
even got the VAT whacked off I think, but it's been too long!)
From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: US and UK sitcoms
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article Ao2@dunaad.co.uk, dan@dunaad.co.uk (Daniel Hunter) writes:
>>>> >Any other US stuff that has some popularity in England?  Or anywhere besides
>>>> >the US?ginsu@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Wes Simonds)
>>>> MASH is quite popular, Wayne's World is very popular and The Simpsons is quite
>>>> popular, although mostly with kids who can't really see the funny side of it
>>
>>> Cheers is V E R Y ! ! ! popular aswell *8)
>>
>>and Rosanne, Dream On, the Presidential Elections,...
>
>Rosanne is one of my favourite prog's,Waynes world is great 

Am I missing something somewhere? I have watched Wayne's World on occasion
(mainly after watching Star Trek and finishing knitting the row I am on -
don't ask) and my reaction to this programme is "Is this supposed to be funny,
or something?" I tend to sit there feeling somewhat confused while the "studio 
audience" roars with laughter at apparently nothing.

Am I the only one who thinks this? Or is my sense of humour so warped I just
can't see the funny side? Then again, I am the person who claims to be mad
because it is the only thing that keeps me sane. 8-)

Philippa

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Philippa Hogben   pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk  (Reverse if mailing from Janet)
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Reaperssessing the title (was Re: lots o' questions&annotations for Mort)
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Nov16.160630.3702@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>,
wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes:
|>
|>Can we get a ruling from TP on this?  (Or did we get one that I
|>missed?)  I know that "Repo Man" was the first thing I thought of when
|>I saw the book title, since I wasn't familiar with the term "Reaper
|>Man," in that form.  While the film title may have come from "Reaper
|>Man" originally, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the book
|>title was a take off on the film title.

We got a ruling on this a long time ago.  When Terry first said he was doing
a sequel to Mort, he said that he wanted to call it "Reaper Man", punning on
"Repo Man", but that his publisher would probably want it called "Mort II".
Fortunately, Terry prevailed.

It is still likely true that the term "repo man" for a reposession agent is
itself a pun on the ancient practice of referring to death as "the grim reaper"
or more simply "the reaper man".

--PSW
From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:53:19 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
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Ian McCall (imccall@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: 
: Since Terry reads this group, I thought I'd make a direct request to him.
: 
: Could we -please- have an appearance of Amazing Maurice and his Educated
: Rodents in a later book? A name like that is too good to waste!
: 
: 
: Ian

Terry's 'Elrond Hubbard' the elf has been hiding in a dark corner of Terry's
wordprocessor too long, too...although I suppose a certain group of people 
might get a bit upset if he was used!

(_what_ is Amazing Maurice??)

Chris
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Last Starfighter
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:13:35 GMT

In <721406214.27609@minster.york.ac.uk> car-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>I don't know if anyone particularly remembers The Last Starfighter.  While the
>film itself WAS pretty crap, the graphics were absolutely spectacular - for 
>thier time.  All of the space-flight and combat sequences were computer graphics
>and I seem to remember them being astonishingly seamless.  I read somewhere that
>they actually constructed and animated all of the sequnces using a CAD program 
>and then fed it all into a ray-tracer/rendering system.  Apparently it took some
>super-fast computer (well fast in those days) over three weeks solid processing 
>to finish about 25 minutes of animation.  Just thought I'd bring that one up.

What got me about that film was that after all the emphasis that was placed
on the CAD stuff, the result looked neither real, nor all that computer-
generated - it simply looked like a bunch of models (IMHO).
Shame, really.

Andy

-- 
Andy Lewis (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk) | 
Department of Electronics        | A juggler without a theme...
and Computer Science             | 
University of Southampton        |
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Elmo)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Lords and Ladies references and query
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:31:44 -0600
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In article <722058197snx@warren.demon.co.uk>, leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.094528.13083@turing.ac.uk> robin@duich.turing.ac.uk (Robin Boswell) writes:
>>The first, "East of the Sun and West of the Moon" sounds
>>familiar, but I can't identify the reference.  Can anyone 
>>help?
> 
> It's another Tolkein one, from "The Road Goes Ever On and On". I haven't
> got the book handy, but one couplet goes something like ...
> 
>         "Behind the hidden roads that run
>         East of the Moon, West of the Sun"

	Oh, please.  It's an album by the group a-ha :-)
-- 
"What men desire is a virgin who is a whore."                                  
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elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:12:21 -0500 
From: Krysztof Emil Kamieniecki <kk49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: just a plot question

why doesn't death ever have a groupie that can't be killed?
		
		-I was only a bit tipsy and it was the pickles that did it.-
							-Da BEAST-
From: mcsbc2mcl@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: New Book?
Summary: re new books
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:41:48 GMT
Reply-To: mcsbc2mcl
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <922419132435@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk>, Richard J. S. T. R. Allan writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     I heard from someone that Terry has brought out a new disc world novel. He
> seems to have been busy recently. Does any body know what its called.
> Also what is the average time between paperback releases. I've just started rea
> ding Witches Abroad and am wondering when small gods will be out.
>     Please Reply or E-mail me.
>          Stucs203@BHAM.ac.uk.ibm3090 (something like this)
> 
>        -other Richard at Brum


   New books? well there is the comic book form of colour of magic and the
    hard back lords and ladies, which terry himself is signing in dundee
   at james thins on november the 25  from 4pm to 5pm. 
                      from mike love in dundee
From: robin@duich.turing.ac.uk (Robin Boswell)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Lords and Ladies references and query
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:45:28 GMT
Organization: The Turing Institute Ltd, Glasgow, Scotland.


  Half-way down p. 62 of the British edition of "Lords and Ladies",
there's a list of five terms for lands beyond the mundane.
The first, "East of the Sun and West of the Moon" sounds
familiar, but I can't identify the reference.  Can anyone 
help?

   In case anyone's interested, the others are:

  ii)  "Behind the North Wind"  - cf. George MacDonald's "At the Back of the 
        North Wind", the term itself being a translation of "Hyperborea"

  iii) "At the Back of Beyond" - an idiom, rather than a literary reference,
        unless anyone knows better (and perhaps a second oblique reference to
        the MacDonald title).

  iv)  "There and Back again"  - the secondary title for "The Hobbit"

  v)   "Beyond the fields we know" - see Lord Dunsany, more or less {\it passim}.

                    Robin Boswell.
From: nad@cl.cam.ac.uk (Neil Dodgson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: lots o' questions&annotations for Mort
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:06:05 GMT
Reply-To: Neil.Dodgson@cl.cam.ac.uk (Neil Dodgson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <leo.721644482@galaxy> leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl writes:
>> 	Where various characters say "Ole", and somebody replies "With milk?":
>> 
>> 	Ole is spanish for "Ta Da" (basically), and Au Lait if French for
>> "With milk", as in Cafe au lait. They are pronounced the same way (o lay).
>
>This has the same problem as the steam engine annotation. Translating
>dog-Latin is one thing, because Terry can perfectly well say that he
>intends that to be understood by people who don't know Latin, but this
>is simply not always the case. But explaining the blindingly obvious
>au lait pun is something that I just couldn't set myself down to do,
>so far.

You are assuming here that everyone who reads Terry's work can speak
some French --- a Euro-centric assumption.  In parts of the U.S.
Spanish is probably a more common language to have a smattering of.
Those of us who are antipodean might know some French, or some German,
or some Maori, or some Japanese, but not necessarily any more than one
of these.  My wife, for example, knows a bit of German, but the only
words of French she is confident about are "Bonjour" and "Merci".

This is similar to the English public school boy's assumption that
everyone can speak some Latin.  There are very few places in, for
example, New Zealand where Latin is taught, and fewer where it is
actually useful :-).

Neil
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From: ccamfiel@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Christopher Camfield)
Subject: Re: Any clue when WA arrives in the US?
Keywords: Witches Abroad
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:53:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.013316.850@borland.com> daniel@borland.com (Dan Veditz) writes:
>Does anyone know when we'll get Witches Abroad in
>North America, preferably the US?

Witches Abroad has been out in Canada since at least August, since I read
it before this term began.  :)

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From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Discworld Dynamics (was Re: Idiots w
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:49:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.033709.889@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> timkin@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Wilkin) writes:
> Ok, but why didn't the Devil just burn the house with the bible and hero
> in it...then the candle would have burnt out (totally) and he'd have the
> soul he wanted!!!?????????

Because that would involve burning the bible, which he's not allowed to do.
As in any other fantasy universe, you have to stay within the rules established
when the story was written. Just as the creator can't destroy Death without
destroying the world in Covenant's (and a number of other writers) worlds.
These deal-with-the-devil stories have to be regarded as fantasy stories even
if you subscribe to the Christian religion, as there's nothing to support them
in the original source text (the bible and even the apocrypha).
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
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From: ins450m@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (T.F. Eccles)
Subject: Re: Suns orbits etc etc
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:42:54 GMT

STUCS204@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:

>The problem depends on how the sun orbits the discworld. If the sun orbits orou
>nd the rim then the descriptions are accurate. If the sun obits in such a way t
>hat it cuts the discworld 'in half' then the climates are all wrong. 
Of course, you're suggesting that the orbits are circular.......
What if its an elipse......

Eccles aka #include <coffee.h>
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: just stuff...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:43:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <leo.722253017@galaxy> leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl writes:
>
>In it, you will find, among a few other things:
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>+ [p. 262] The home of the Gods at the top of Cori Celesti, is referred to
>  as "Dunmanifestin" on several places in the Discworld novels [I am trying
>  to chase the earliest appearance. Anyone?]

First referenced fairly early on in TCOM (page 82 in my version),
in the introduction to the second scenario.
-- 
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From: fishhook@sage.cc.purdue.edu (steven freeman)
Subject: just stuff...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:34:31 GMT

this is my little bit of imput on actors for the movies...
how about A. Edmonson (the guy who played Vivian in The Young Ones) as
Nobby and Arnold Schwartzeneggar(sp) as Carrot?



One other thing...I'm not positive about this, but, isn't Dunnmanifestin(sp),
home of the gods on Discworld, reffered to as a sort of retirement home?
Would that make the name a play on the words Done Manifesting, wich the gods
would be if they were retired...


just a thought...
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From: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Terry Pratchett)
Subject: Radio Play                              
Cc: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:14:00 +0000


The Radio 5 version of 'Guards! Guards!' starts on November 23 at 9.30pm
(909/693am) in the UK and I suppose anywhere else within range of the
transmitters.  I've just got the uncut tape of episode one (note the Welsh
Carrot...he should be called Leek...but it's a nice touch, I think; it gives
him just the right touch of righteous innocence.)

Terry
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From: bfde@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Bernard Francis DE LA COEUR)
Subject: Re: lots o' questions&annotations for Mort
Organization: Department of Computer Sci, University of Melbourne
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:30:44 GMT

andyh@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andrew Holyer) writes:
>ST102315@brownvm.brown.edu () writes:
>>
>>p.86..."They could pee through a dozen mattresses..."  Albert here mangles
>>  a fairy tale.  Unfortunately, I can't remember how it goes.  Anyone?
>>  Anyone?
>>
>"The real princess", one  of Hans Christian Anderson's   fairy talkes.
>The way you could tell a real princess was that if  you placed *a*pea*
>(the small round  vedgetable) under a dozen  matresses, which she then
>slept on, she could still feel the pea...

This story has been made into a very funny musical (occasionally seen performed
by various amateur theatre companies), called, 'Once Upon A Mattress'.
My favourite bit was:
Princess:	'My name is Princess Winifred, but you can call me by my
	nickname.'
Prince:		'What, "Winnie"?'
Princess:	'No...  Fred.'
The Prince then proceeds to extoll her virtues in a song called 'I'm in love
with a girl called Fred', while she gets totally ratfaced...

OBPratchett:	There's a thought.  Perhaps a DW musical...?  Someone mentioned
playing the Disc like a record.  Starring Jason Donovan as...(?)

Bernard.

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From: ins894r@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Aaron Wigley [Wigs])
Subject: Re: Death in general
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:18:58 GMT

ken@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
: Simon Stirley (gaspode@dcs.warwick.ac.uk) wrote:
: : >whole variety of board games, and I was just wondering which came first, or if it
: : >was just parallel evolution???

: There is a very long history of Death playing games for people's lives. E.g.
: Death playing Chess in Bergman's gothic classic film. So no, not parallel
: evolution. Parallel plagiarism.

Or betting with the Devil :) Two songs come to mind:

"Spanish Train", by Chris deBurgh. God and the Devil play a game of poker with
dead souls on the line. Game ends with the devil cheating, and then the game
goes onto a game of chess. If people are interested I'll dig out the lyrics.

"Devil went down to Georgia". (I forget the band who did this, if someone does
know, and/or has the lyrics to this, please let me know :). The devil is
behind in his quota of souls, so he bets with a mortal that the devil is a 
better fiddle player. 

The Wigs of Oz,
Aaron Wigley
From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Lords and Ladies references and query
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:51:18 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

robin@duich.turing.ac.uk (Robin Boswell) writes:


>  Half-way down p. 62 of the British edition of "Lords and Ladies",
>there's a list of five terms for lands beyond the mundane.
>The first, "East of the Sun and West of the Moon" sounds
>familiar, but I can't identify the reference.  Can anyone 
>help?

	The "East of the Sun and West of the Moon" bit is reminiscent
of a line from one of the poems in "Lord of the Rings".

	I can't remember for sure, but it may be in the poem composed
by Bilbo in Rivendell. You know the one...

		"Earendil was a mariner
		 That tarried in Arvernien.
		 He built a boat of timber felled
		 In Nimbrethil to journey in..."

	The context is something like :

		"Beyond the <Something? Sundering Seas?> that run
		 West of the Moon and East of the Sun."

	Or maybe it said "East of the Moon and West of the Sun"?

	Whatever - it's something like that anyway. Also, if it's not
that particular bit of verse, it may be some other Earendil poem.

	Of course, that may not be the original source of the phrase.
Tolkien may, himself, have borrowed it from somewhere (being a literary
chap - not 'alf).

	Don't you just hate it when your memory goes on holiday and
you can't remember something you used to know?

				Ade.

		\----------------------------------------/
		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
		/ ---------------------------------------\
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From: kcl@world.std.com (Katherine C Long)
Subject: Re: : Guards! Guards! on the radio.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:35:21 GMT

     Does anyone know if the BBC plans to sell copies of their
radio version of "Guards, Guards"?  If they will eventually be
on-tape/CD (like the HitchHiker series) I'll patiently wait
and order when available.  If they won't be, then I'd like to
find someone who will tape the series.  Terry, (are you there?)
you may know what has been planned for the series after it
airs.  How do you feel about folks taping the show?

    I was very sorry I didn't know about the video version
of "Truckers" in time to find someone to tape it.  But that all
worked out when it was commercially released.  A friend bought
me a copy, I had it converted from UK PAL format to US VHS, and
watched it for the first time this moring.  It was Great!
The video really captured the feel of the book.  I hope they
decide to make "Diggers" and "Wings."  The video ended with the Concorde
and a flight of geese, which lead right into the next books.

   This Thanksgiving several of us Washington DC area Pratchett
fans will gather for dinner and a "Truckers" screening!

  Katherine Long
  kcl@world.std.com

  8-)
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