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Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:51:00 EST
              USENET." <VIETNET@USCVM.BITNET>
From:         EEMOISE@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: [POL/HIS] Some books

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:56:17 GMT "H.H. Nguyen" <nguyen@TURING.SCS.CARLETON.CA> s
aid:

>         I know I may be pushing my luck too hard here, but could you also
> comment on F. Snepp's (sp ?) Decent Interval, and The Pentagon Papers ?
>
>         Regards,
>         H.H. Nguyen

Greetings -

     Frank Snepp's _Decent Interval_ is excellent.

     The Pentagon Papers are very useful, but you have to be aware
of the variation between editions.  Each edition contains material
not in the others.
Nobody has ever published the whole collection as it was originally
compiled inside the Defense Department; a long and detailed history
of U.S. policy toward Vietnam between 1945 and 1968, plus about
4,000 pages of the actual texts of some of the most important
documents dealing with Vietnam found in Defense Department files.
The published versions are:
     U.S. Congress, House Committee on Armed Services,
_United States-Vietnam Relations, 1945-1967: A Study Prepared by
The Department of Defense_.  Washington, DC: U.S. Government
Printing Office, 1971.  12 volumes.  This comes closest to being
complete, but it omits the actual full texts of
many documents from the period after Lyndon Johnson became President.
SuDoc number   Y4.Ar5/2&gml.V67/3/945-67
     _The Pentagon Papers: The Defense Department History of United
States Decisionmaking on Vietnam_.  Boston: Beacon Press, 1971, 1972.
5 vols.
This is four volumes of material from the original study, plus one
volume of commentary and index.  It is the portion made public by
U.S. Senator Gravel, and is often called the "Senator Gravel Edition."
Senator Gravel was in a great hurry when selecting material for
this edition, and some of his choices were rather haphazard.
However, this edition contains the complete texts of a number of
crucial documents from the period Johnson was president, which
were omitted from the version published by the U.S. government.
     _The Pentagon Papers_.  New York: Bantam Books, 1971. 677 pp.
This is the shortest; it is the portion made public in 1971 by
_The New York Times_.
It consists mostly of documents from the Defense Department original.
However, the historical summary in this version does not come from
the historical summary in the Defense Department original.
_The New York Times_ needed something much shorter than the original,
and rather than take bits and pieces of the original, the
Times had its own people write a completely new historical summary.
     George C. Herring, ed.,
_Secret Diplomacy of the Vietnam War: The Negotiating Volumes
of the Pentagon Papers_.  Austin, TX: University of Texas Press.
This contains the sections of the Defense Department study that dealt
with efforts
to negotiate a settlement of the war, which nobody published
during the war because they were afraid publicity would interfere
with the negotiations.

     I hope you find this information helpful.

Ed Moise
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: nguyen@turing.scs.carleton.ca (H.H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re: POEM (DDO^'I)
Organization:  Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.220736.5186@oakhill.sps.mot.com> quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Quang Le) writes:
>                                    
>Y' Va^n dda~ ddi.nh ddi tu ro^`i cha('c kho^ng ma`ng dde^'n ca^u ddo^'i
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>cu?a ca'c ha. dda^u.  Ta.i ha. xin ddu+o+.c phe'p ddo^'i the^'
>

	Quang, you must be joking, I hope. I'm still waiting for the
essay on the Japanese poetry, part III, promised a long time ago :-)))

	Long wait, eh. Or maybe I've missed the posting ?
	H.H. Nguyen


>
>Tha^n,
>Quang Le
>                                
>
>
>-- 
>* Quang Le|e-mail:quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com  *   This space     *
>* "Nothing belongs to human is strange to me" *   is reserved    *
>*             German Proverb                  *   for future     *
>*       (Translated and Retranslated)         *   expansion      *


Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: nguyen@turing.scs.carleton.ca (H.H. Nguyen)
Subject: Re:      Re: [misc] vietnamese other news groups
Organization:  Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:06:09 GMT

In article <9212181909.AA02703@phakt.usc.edu> "** N.T.K.C.D. ***" <hho@SCF.USC.EDU> writes:
>'Nads User Account''s Message:
>>>i just discovered that there are other vietnamese news groups  besides scv .
>>>            OTT.VIETNAMESE
>>>            ALT.WAR.VIETNAM
>
>WOw you get OTT in Cali?
>
>OTT.Vietnamese is for the West Canadian I believe. It is local to OTT.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	No, it's for those residing in Ottawa, Canada. And Ottawa is
in the eastern (or at least central) part of Canada. (Besides being known  
for bureaucracy, Ottawa residents are also chatty too, you know. :-)) ).

	Is this right, Kim-Minh Nguyen?  He's one of those who worked
to bring the newsgroup to life.

	It's interesting to know that it's propagated down to the states
too.
 
	Regards,
	H.H. Nguyen



>ALT.WAR.Vietnam is a newsgroup discussion about the Vietnam War as
>the name suggested.
>
>FYI, the alt.* groups are not main USENET newsgroup. THey are alt=alternate..
>Not all site carry alt.* newsgroups. Since it is not an official
>newsgroup in the mainstream, any admin can create them.. It is up to
>the local site to decide if to carry the group or not.
>
>Also, usc.* uci.* ucla.* etc are local newsgroups inside the schools
>att.* jpl.* etc are local to the companies
>ca.*, ott.*, us.* are local to the regions :-)
>
>Have fun :-))
>H.
>
>
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>Hung P. Ho, Jr. (John)     USC DENTISTRY    PH.SYSTEMS          CCCOGP
>                           hho@usc.edu      hung@phsys.com      hung@cccogp.com


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From: thoai@nvl.army.mil (Thoai Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [MISC] tu*? vi, to everybody on SCV (fwd)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:26:22 GMT
Organization: Saigon.COM Public Access BBS, Sillicon Valley CA (408)730-1092
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Forwarded message:
> From cheshire.media.mit.edu!owner-scv Wed Dec 16 13:31:02 1992
> Message-Id: <m0n21hD-00000XC@belvoir-vmd1.army.mil>
> From: thoai@nvl.army.mil (Thoai Nguyen)
> Subject: [MISC] tu*? vi, to everybody on SCV
> To: scv-relay@media.mit.edu
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:34:03 EST
> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
> 
> 
> Hello ca'c ba.n
> 
> Mo*'i thi final xong ba^y gio*` T mo*'i co' thi` gio*` vie^'t cho mo.i
> ngu*o*`i -do.c cho*i cho vui . Sau -da^y la` lo*`i giai? -doa'n
> tu*? vi cua? ca'c ba.n sinh va`o na(m con ga` . 
> 
> Ca'c ba.n tuo^?i Da^.u na(m nay ne^n giu*~ gi`n lo*`i no'i keo? la.i cai~ va~
> lung tung . Tuo^?i Da^.u na(m nay nu*?a vui nu*?a buo^`n vi` a?nh hu*o*?ng  
> cua? -di~ va~ng va` ky? nie^.m . Tuy nhie^n se~ ga(.p may ma('n trong vie^.c
> ho.c ha`nh ne^'u co`n ca('p sa'ch -de^'n tru*o*`ng vi` co' sao Ho'a Khoa
> chie^'u ma.ng . Ngu*o*`i tuo^?i Da^.u co' khie^'u ve^` ngoa.i giao va`
> ca ha't nha^'t  la` o*? nhu*~ng vu`ng xa tha`nh pho^' . 
> 
> Nam ma.ng : Ti`nh ye^u -de^'n vo*'i ngu*o*`i tuo^?i Da^.u de^~ da`ng nho*`
> chu't ta`i va(.t nhu* ca ha't, tho* tha^?n, a?o thua^.t ; la`m -do^'i
> tu*o*.ng kha^?u phu.c ta^m phu.c va` sau -do' thi` u'm ba la alibaba
> " Ye^u nhau cho nhau nu. cu*o*`i , Thu*o*ng nhau cho nhau cuo^.c -do*`i "
> 
> Nu*~ ma.ng : -Du*o*.c nhie^`u ngu*o*`i -de^? y' thu*o*ng tha^`m
> vi` ngu*o*`i tuo^?i Da^.u hie^`n ha^.u va` chung thu?y co^.ng the^m ta`i 
> ngoa.i giao ne^n de^~ la^'y lo`ng ngu*o*`i kha'c . Ne^'u kho^ng tha`nh 
> co^ng trong vie^.c ho.c thi` co' the^? mo*? va(n pho`ng gio*'i thie^.u
> ho^n nha^n hay -da?m tra'ch mu.c Go*~ ro^'i to* lo`ng tre^n SVC .
> 
> Va` to*'i -da^y T xin ta.m ngu*ng .
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Te^'t cu~ng sa('p -de^'n . Mo^~i ngu*o*`i trong chu'ng ta la.i a(n mo^.t
> ca'i te^'t nu*~a o*? xu*' ngu*o*`i . -De^? co' mo^.t chu't kho^ng khi'
> Te^'t T co' va`i lo*`i chu'c Te^'t to*'i ca'c ba.n va` lo*`i giai? -doa'n
> tu*? vi cua? ca'c ba.n sinh va`o na(m con ga` .
> 
> Me^'n chu'c ca'c ba.n luo^n luo^n tu*o*i tre? . Ca'c ba.n hay du`ng phone
> co^ng co^.ng luo^n luo^n co' tie^`n le? . Ca'c ba.n co`n -di ho.c thi`
> ho.c ha`nh suo^ng se? . Ca'c co^ hay -di shopping thi` mua -du*o*.c
> -do^` re? . Ca'c ba.n hay ha't ba`i " Ngu*o*`i ye^u co^ -do*n " thi`
> he^'t co`n -do*n le? . Ca'c ba.n thu*o*`ng -di Ca Ra la` Oke^ ma` hay cho.n
> bai` " Ye^u Mo^.t Mi`nh " thi` luo^n no'i -du*o*.c mo^.t ca^u " Nha(`m
> nho` gi` ba cai' le? te? " . Ca'c ba.n -da~ kie^'m -du*o*.c mo^.t nu*a?
> kia cua? mi`nh thi` se~ co' mo^.t cuo^.c ti`nh dzui dze? va` cuo^'i
> cu`ng chu'c ta^'t ca? ca'c ba.n hu*o*?ng mo^.t mua` xua^n ho^?ng co'
> buo^`n te? .
> 
> P.S Tu*? Vi se~ -du*o*.c post va`o ky` to*'i
> 
> 
>  
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: "HOANG NGUYEN (PAUL) 765-9447/PAGER 237-3542 M/S RN2-18" <HNGUYEN@sc9.intel.com>
Subject: RE: re: POEM
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: HNGUYEN@sc9.intel.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:24:02 GMT

>Xin -di'nh chi'nh. Ve^' -do^'i -du'ng ra la` :
>		
>	Tay kho^ng lay chuye^?n tro+`i thie^n ha.
>
>Mong quy' vi. tre^n ma.ng lu+o+'i -do^'i du`m.
 
Xin thu*?....

>	Tay kho^ng lay chuye^?n tro+`i thie^n ha.

	Chi' ca?  ke^'t giao -da^'t anh hu`ng

hoa(.c mang ma'ng Pha^.t pha'p thi`....

	Va^.t sa('c cuo^'n tro^i be^? the^' gian


Rie^ng cho Ho^` va` -da`n em Ba('c Bo^. Phu?, -de^. tu*? trung tha`nh
cu?a Ma'c Le^ thi`....

	Na~o ro^~ng pha' tan -da^'t -di.a ca^`u

Tu*. nhie^n to^i thi'ch ca^u na`y ho*n.
Tha^n,
Hoa`ng

Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: CYCLOPS 2000-3D  16-Dec-1992 0040 <cyclops@pate.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Su+~a ho^.p & Su+~a me.
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: cyclops@pate.enet.dec.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:41:04 GMT


Mo^.t ho^m Ti' va` Te`o cu`ng than phie^`n .

Ti' :

	Te`o o+i ! ma`y bu' su+~a ho^.p co' ngon hay kho^ng ?

Te`o :

	Tha^.t la` cha'n la('m Ti' o+i ! Su+~a ho^.p kho^ng
	bao gio+` gio^'ng nhau ca? . Lu'c thi` no'ng, lu'c
	thi` nguo^.i la.nh, lu'c thi` ngo.t lu'c thi` la.t .

	Ma`y may ma('n ho+n tao ddu+o+.c bu' su+~a me. !

Ti' :

	Su+~a me. lu'c na`o cu~ng va^.y, kho^ng co' thay ddo^?i
	nhu+ng ....

Te`o :

	Nhu+ng the^' na`o ?????

Ti' :

	Lu'c thi` co' mu`i thuo^'c la', lu'c thi` co' mu`i
	beer .
From: drk@cs.uiuc.edu (David Kohr)
Subject: Re: POL/HIS Some books: Hoang Van Chi
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:31:45 GMT

In article <VIETNET%92121610525846@VM.USC.EDU> EEMOISE@CLEMSON.BITNET writes:
>On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:59:59 GMT Hien Doky <doky@UDA.DGCD.DOC.CA> said:
>>         1) "From Colonialism to Communism" by Hoa\ng Va(n Chi' ("Tu+\
>>         thu+.c da^n dde^'n co^.ng sa?n"):
>>
>> Also anh Tra^\n Tha'i Linh had sourced several publications by Bernard
>> Fall, Wesley Fishel, Douglas Pike and James Banerian to back up this
>> number given by Gerard Tongas.
>
>Dear Hie^?n
>
>I have read "From Colonialism to Communism" and found it most unreliable.
>[....]
>
>Edwin E. Moise
>History Department
>Clemson University
>EEMOISE@CLEMSON.BITNET

Dear Prof. Moise,

Could you also provide your opinion about the accuracy and bias of the
following writings about the Vietnam war (assuming you've read them):

1.  Gabriel Kolko's _Anatomy of a War_.

2.  Frances FitzGerald's _Fire in the Lake_.

3.  Gareth Porter's articles refuting the occurrence of a "massacre" by the
NLF at Hue in 1968 (as claimed by Douglas Pike and others) and also (I
think) refuting claims about the number of people killed during the land
reforms in the North during 1954-6.

4.  Douglas Pike's early books on Vietnam, in particular _Viet Cong_. 
Also, do you know offhand if Pike held any official government position or
was hired as a consultant on Vietnam during the period of U.S. involvement,
or if he worked as a journalist of some sort during this time?

5.  Stanley Karnow's _Vietnam_

6.  George Herring's _America's Longest War_.

7.  David Halberstam's various books, particularly _Making of a Quagmire_
and _Ho_.

8.  Van Toai Doan and David Chanoff's _The Vietnamese Gulag_.

Your opinion is much appreciated.

Thanks,

Dave
-- 
Dave Kohr     CS Graduate Student     Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
                   "One either has none or not enough."
From: Chuyen_L._Tran.DlosLV300@xerox.com
Subject: [Misc] Bill Clinton Joke.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
X-NS-Transport-ID: 0000AA0035C2E0542EB8
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:51:20 GMT

Heard this from a friend:


While campaiging for the presidency, Bill Clinton and Al Gore were looking for
some publicity so they decided to fly to Florida to observe the damage caused
by hurricane Andrew. After being airborne for a little while, Bill Clinton
looked down out of the window and proclaimed in astonishment:
   "Wow, what a damage! This is a total catastrophe! Everything is in shambles,
it must have been a hell of a storm!"
Al Gore then looked out, thought for a second, then said to Bill:
   "Bill, I hate to tell you this but, we are still in Arkansas!"

Later,
From: nguyenv (n/a)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: re^n ri?...
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Dec14.153403.1262
Organization: DEC

Ho^i Su"~a

-De^m qua me^ ma^?n be^n (ch)na`ng 
Nu"?a -de^m thu"'c gia^'c ngo"~ nga`ng ngu"o"`i o^i!
Tu"o"?ng -da^u to^i -da~ lo"'n ro^`i...
Ai de` co`n bu' ma` -do`i bu"o"'m ong!
Tho^i thi` bu' tie^'p va`i na(m
-De^? to^i cho'ng lo"'n kho?i na(`m tu"o"?ng to"...!

Y' To^i

Y' ai thi` ma(.c y' ai
Y' to^i, to^i quye^'t la^'y na`ng na`o tu... (hu'''')
Pha^'n son kho?i to^'n mo^.t xu
Chi? ca^`n -da^.u hu~ tu"o"ng ta`u la` xong

nam mo^ xi'ch ga^`n vo^ :)

nguyenv
From: nguyenls@lldmpc.dnet.dupont.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: rao va(.t
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:54:23 GMT
Reply-To: nguyenls@lldmpc.dnet.dupont.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu

go+?i Phu+o+ng" @222662548@ucis.vill.edu."

Co' ngu+o+`i nha('n la` ne^'u P ho.c ha`nh gio?i giang, noel
se~ ddu+o+.c qua` va` ddu+o+.c ddi ba't pho^' , va` cu~ng ddu+o+.c
nghe ke^? nhie^`u chuye^.n ha^'p da^~n nu+~a....

CN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: Tanya_Tran@Novell.COM (Tanya Tran)
Subject: [NEWS] Orange County Register: Hunger Strike
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: Tanya_Tran@Novell.COM
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:09:38 GMT


The Orange County Register
Saturday, December 12, 1992
By ANH DO


RELEASE OF VIETNAM'S POLITICAL PRISONERS URGED

Santa Ana - Under pouring rain they stood: an 
intellectual, a Buddhist monk, a nun, former officers 
in the South Vietnamese army - all united Friday for 
the cause of human rights.

Fourteen volunteers in all gathered at Civic 
Center Plaza to end a two-day hunger strike 
while 60 demonstratos demanded the release of 
political prisoners in Vietnam.

"News about Vietnam talks about the prospects of 
trade, investment and Hanoi starting an open-door 
policy," said Mo Tu Nguyen, a former assistand dean 
at the University of Saigon who now heads a Cypress-
based human-rights organization.

"There are hardly any stories about human-rights 
violations and political repression. ... We must 
tell people about it."

The huner strikers, most of whom began fasting 
Wednesday in San Diego, told the crowd that Vietnam's 
communist governmet is holding an estimated 32,000 
political opponents in 47 prisons.

At the rally Friday, a map of Vietnam decorated with 
barbed wire pinpointed the prison localtions and 
listed the names of dozens of prisoners.  A Buddhist 
shrine was set up for prayers.

"We want the people of America to understand that our 
brave prisoners are suffering.  They should not be 
imprisoned for supporting democracy," said Thich 
Nguyen Tri, head monk of a  Garden Grove Buddhist temple.

Demonstrators chanted and waved signs while the 
volunteers stood on a platform, their smocks and placards 
displaying their feelings: "End embargo only if oppression 
ends" and "Don't prolong my people's agony, don't aid Hanoi."

Diem Do, spokesman for the Cypress-based Committee For 
The Release Of Political Prisoners in Vietnam, said he wants 
the US government to join his group in pressuring Hanoi for 
democracy and human rights as a condition for lifting the 
economic embargo and restoring relations between the two 
countries.

His supporters at the rally agreed.

"If people did not fast or protest, human rights would 
take even longer to achieve," said Magdaleno Rose-Avila,
western regional director for Amnesty International.
--------------------------------------------------------------

T. Tran
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From: vnnguyen@zeno27.math.UWaterloo.ca (Nha^n Ni)
Subject: Re: POEM
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:50:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.153221.15242@doug.cae.wisc.edu> lam@tesla.ece.wisc.edu writes:
>Xin -di'nh chi'nh. Ve^' -do^'i -du'ng ra la` :
>		
>	Tay kho^ng lay chuye^?n tro+`i thie^n ha.
>
>Mong quy' vi. tre^n ma.ng lu+o+'i -do^'i du`m.
> 
>
Hi, 
Kho^ng bie^'t la` ddo^'i co' chi?nh kho^ng nhu+ng cu~ng xin thu+? cho vui
	
	Cha^n tra^`n cha` na't dda^'t nha^n gian.
bye,
From: cmrtd6@elroy.uh.edu (92F09797)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [FORTUNE]   MA`U SA('C & TI`NH YE^U
Date: 19 Dec 1992 09:26 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    











            MA`U SA('C & TI`NH YE^U


* DDo? sa^.m:  Say me^ tha^.t ma~nh lie^.t, nha^'t tho+`i .
  ----------

* DDo? tu+o+i:  Ti`nh ye^u vo+'i ba.n pha?i la` cuo^`ng nhie^.t .
  -----------

* DDo? nha.t hoa(.c ho^`ng:  Ti`nh ca?m thu+o+`ng hay dde^'n vo+'i
  ------------------------   ba.n mo^.t ca'ch e^m dde^`m .


* DDen ddi ke`m vo+'i ddo?:  Ti`nh ye^u thu+o+ng ddo^?i tha`nh ho+`n ghe't
  ------------------------

* Va`ng:  Thie^n ve^` nhu.c ca?m, nhie^`u ho+n ti`nh tha^n .
  -----

* Xanh la' ca^y:  Ti`nh ye^u cu?a ba.n la` ta^'t ca? nhu+~ng gi` dda^`m
  -------------   a^'m, xuo^i buo^`m thua^.n gio' ma` cu~ng kho^ng ke'm
                  pha^`n so^i ddo^.ng .

* Xanh dda^.m:  Khi ye^u ai...kho^ng bu't mu+.c na`o ta? no^?i .
  ----------- 

* Xanh da tro+`i hoa(.c tra('ng:  Ti`nh ye^u ddo^'i vo+'i ba.n ra^'t de^~
  -----------------------------   thu+o+ng, tha'nh khie^'t, ho.c tro`.

* Cam:  Khe^u go+.i ddu+o+.c ha.nh phu'c trong la~nh vu+.c ti`nh ye^u .
  --- 

* Na^u:  Ti`nh a^'m, nghi~a hie^'n da^ng (nhu+~ng ngo+o+`i thuo^.c pha'i
  ----   na`y hay...me^ nha` do`ng.)

* Ti'm:  Ti`nh ye^u mo+'i lo+'n, la~ng ma.n, hay mo+ ma`ng.
  ----   Ca'c co^ nho? thu+o+`ng la` na.n nha^n cu?a ma`u ti'm.
         Nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i Ye^u ma`u ti'm, cha? co' mu`a na`o nghe
         ha.nh phu'c ca? .





                                                     HUY HOANG
                                                   (Su+u ta^`m)
From: Nhan Tran <tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com>
Subject: NEWS/VN: Embargo up to Clinton
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:09:16 GMT



USA TODAY Update
Dec. 15, 1992

TRADE TO VIETNAM CLOSER:
   The White House took a giant step Monday toward rolling back 
the 17-year-old trade ban against Vietnam. U.S. business owners 
will be allowed to sign contracts, open offices, hire staff and 
conduct preliminary studies in preparation for doing business in 
Vietnam "should the embargo be lifted," White House spokesman 
Marlin Fitzwater said.
    
LIFTING EMBARGO UP TO CLINTON:
   President Bush Monday eased restrictions against Hanoi. But the 
embargo continues, Bush said, effectively leaving the final 
decision up to the incoming Democratic administration. 
President-elect Bill Clinton has said he would consider 
normalizing relations with Vietnam, but only if Hanoi gave a full 
accounting of the fate of more than 2,000 POWs:MIAs from the 
Vietnam War.
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
From: nvt@netcom.com (Fam Com)
Subject: [Misc]  Thought for the weekend
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:54:14 GMT

          The man who gets the most satisfactory results is not always
     the man with the most brilliant single mind, but rather the man who
     can best coordinate the brains and talents of his associates.

						W. Alton Jones

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From: dangt@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Dang Thanh Ngan)
Subject: Re: POEM
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:23:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.195024.23806@news.media.mit.edu> hoa@alex.qc.ca writes:
>Hi Ma.ng Lu+o+'i (netters),
>
>Ho^~m ra`y, Ho`a (Vo.ng khuye^'t Thi Lang) tha^'y SCV hoa.t ddo^.ng
>du+~ do^.i qua'\.  La.i co' mo^.t nho'm ba.n tho+ nu+~a.  DDe^? go'p
>vui Ho`a co' mo^.t ca^u tha'ch ddo^'i dde^'n vo+'i ta^'t ca? ca'c ba.n,
>nha^'t la` nho'm tho+ Mu+.c Ti'm, Y' Va^n ...  
>
>
>Ca^u tha'ch ddo^'i : Mo^.t ngu+o+`i mo^.t bo'ng 
>                              o^m dda^'t tro+`i va`o di~ va~ng

        Hi Hoa`, dde^? da`nh su*'c ma` la`m ba'o cho Lie^n ho^.i nu*~a
ddo', tha'ch ddo^' tho* nu*~a he'n, to*'i khi la`m ba'o, Nga^n se~ ha^`u
tho* vo*'i Hoa`, lu'c ddo' xem he'n B-))).


Ngan (a man)
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From: Huy Minh Nguyen <eabu216@orion.oac.uci.edu>
Subject: Hello Nga^n!
Originator: daemon@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Reply-To: eabu216@orion.oac.uci.edu
Organization: SCV Relay
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:07:00 GMT


    Nice to talk to u!  By the way, I don't have your account address.
Give me yours ok?  

    Bye,

H.N.
From: kevinle@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Kevin Le)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Her first lesson in deer hunting
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:57:59 GMT
Reply-To: kevinle@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Kevin Le)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb4ts1.ebay.sun.com




   A man had finally talked his wife into going deer hunting   
with him and they were about to get out and go, but he      
said ,  "Before we get out there, I have to explain a few   
things.  First of all, we are going to split up and walk    
both sides of this canyon...I'll be on one side and you will
be on the other. Second, if you should shoot a deer, you   
MUST get up to the deer ASAP, because if somebody else gets 
to it first, they could tag it and take it from you.  Be    
ready to protect your kill if you do get there first."      
She decided that it didn't sound too hard and they went on  
their way.                                                  
   As he was walking along on his side of the canyon he     
heard a shot from where his wife should have been and went  
running to see how she had done.   When he found her, she   
had her gun pulled and aimed at this cowboy.  The cowboy    
was walking slowly backward with his hands in the air saying
   "Okay Lady, you can have the deer....but can I have the    
saddle off of it?"
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From: orion@IASTATE.EDU (Phi H Truong)
Subject: Re: POEM
Reply-To: orion@IASTATE.EDU (Phi H Truong)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:29:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.153221.15242@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, lam@tesla.ece.wisc.edu
(Nguyen Lam) writes:
> Xin -di'nh chi'nh. Ve^' -do^'i -du'ng ra la` :
> 		
> 	Tay kho^ng lay chuye^?n tro+`i thie^n ha.
> 
> Mong quy' vi. tre^n ma.ng lu+o+'i -do^'i du`m.
>  
> 
> 

cu?ng xin -di'nh chi'nh :

Sau' ta^'t -da^'t la`m mo^`i cho sa^u bo.

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	|				Only in dying life:	    |
	|				Bright the hawk's flight    |
	|				On the empty sky.	    |
 	|					by Ursula K. LeGuin |	
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