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From: kim@ella.mills.edu (Kim Korner)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: crunch... flaaaail...   splat!
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:57:36
Organization: Mills College, Oakland, CA
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In-reply-to: c150-bt@po.berkeley.edu's message of 12 Dec 92 08:06:23 GMT

	I have a headlight modulator on my Concours (as well as brake
light modulators). While I do worry about occasional target fixation
by oncoming cars, I do experience much less left turning in front of
me. I'm always surprised when I spend time on another bike how much
less visibile I am and how many more left turn scrapes I have.
		-KM<
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From: sfi@public.BTR.COM (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs  sfi@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Time to find a frame shop and replace forks...
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:00:03 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Distribution: ca
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <JET.92Dec18165125@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
> [the frame is bent]
>
>Anyone have suggestions on a good frame shop?

 I would recommend the Frame Man up in Sacramento. Very good shop.
 Not cheap. Good work. Probably cost you a few hundred (like 400-500)
 to have your frame and forks straightened. If you're poor and don't
 race (as opposed to being poor from racing :->) I would suggest that
 you just have them straightened..

 cheers,
 Stefan
-- 
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs (sfi@btr.com): (415) 822-5654 voice/pager: (415) 599-4876
                dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting writing business)
   "If you're going to crash, then do it on the first lap because then you
    don't wear the engine out for nothing" - Jon Ekerold, 350cc World Champion
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From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Anybody know what became of Vetter? Still in business?
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:46:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.

The subject line says it all; I'm curious about getting parts for my
Vetter Quicksilver fairing. Someone at a local shop once mumbled
something about Vetter being out of business. Are they? Where can I
get parts?

	-- Robert

Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)
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From: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning)
Subject: Re: Battery Charger $5, NAPA Auto Parts
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:45:38 GMT
Reply-To: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: usa

In article <1go5g6INN1vv@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedcrum@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ted Crum) writes:
|> I just bought a 3 amp charger at an NAPA store for $5 (including $10
|> mail-in rebate). Should be perfect for M/C's (but 12v only).

Why is a 3amp charger good for MCs?  I though MC batteries should be
trickle-charged, 600mA max!

-- David

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: @*^#*$%## California -- what color reflectors CAN one use?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:24:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.185731.10412@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis 
Jackson) writes:

>}All lamps and reflectors visible from the front, sides, or rear of a
>}vehicle, except headlamps, may have any unlighted color, provided the
>}emitted light from all lamps or reflected lights from all reflectors
>}complies with the required color.  [other stuff]
>
>This has got to be the stupidest paragraph I have read in ages!
>It seems to mean that:
>
>1) I can paint the *housing* of any lamp any color I want, as long as the
>lens of that lamp causes the required color light to shine when I turn the
>lamp on, and

I can see that with lamps - you could have a white lens with a red light
inside, for example, but I can't see how a reflector could reflect anything
other than its own color.  

>I got some reflective orange tape at an auto parts store, and it was fine
>except that it wasn't reflective at all.  *GRRRR*  Anyone got any recs on
>where to get really obnoxiously reflective tape, either already contrastingly
>striped a la barricade tape, or with different colors (white and orange/yellow,
>I would assume) so I can stripe it myself?

I had blue reflective tape on my bike when I went in for my license exam,
and the examiner didn't say anything.  I guess it's OK. 


-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
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From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:56:30 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <27M902dv2fGz01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>Howdy all:

>This is aimed at riders who live in CA (and other states where lane 
>splitting (or "lane sharing") is legal. After moving and having to 
>commute up the major Silicon Valley Highway (101), I have noticed some 
>interesting things. Frequantly when I am riding the line, people in 
>cages will pull over to the opposite side of their lane to give me more 
>room. Whether this is due to paranoia 
>(OHMYGODHTHEBIKERSCUMISGOINGTOHITMYCAR!!!) or courtesy, I have no idea. 

When I'm in my car and I see a biker lane splitting I will give him
some extra room out of courtesy. I know that when I lane split I tend
to be very focused on the traffic around me, and I appreciate it when
someone indicates that they know I'm coming up on them. Atleast I
know they won't cream me by accident.

>Whatever the case, I will hold my hand up and wave at them to let them 
>know I am aware of, and appreciate their gesture. Now comes the wierd part. 
>Frequently I see the same cars doing this, and they are starting to wave 
>back. Not only that, (it may be my imagination), but it SEEMS to me that 
>there are more and more cars pulling over for me. Now I always go to work 
>at almost the exact same time, so I am sure that most of thjese people see 
>me every day, and I must say that there are DAMN few bikes on the road (at 
>least few FINE LOOKING HAWGS (tm)), so they probably recognize me. Is it 
>possible that my being pleasant and waving is actually to my benefit????? 

I bet it is. Kinda funny how that works.

>Wow, what a concept. I do know that a polite wave (like after you let some 
>one merge in  front of you) is rare out here in the land of fruits and 
>nuts (CA), so maybe I am having an effect. I also always wave at little 
>kids who are staring at me (in obvious awe and jealousy - and also hot 
>babes - when the ol' lady isn't with me :-). Hot damn, maybe it helps our 
>image. Why not try it when YOU are spliting lanes. If cagers are always 
>waved to when they make room for us, maybe more of them will start 
>doing it instead of pulling CLOSER because they are pissed that someone 
>else is getting down the road faster than they are.

So do you wave after you have passed them or before?

>} /* End Sermon */
>
>Later................
>
>Don't tread on me..........................................I bite
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Eddie Kieger                             efk00@cd.amdahl.com 

Eric
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From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:59:43 GMT

In article <27M902dv2fGz01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes:
>Howdy all:
>
>This is aimed at riders who live in CA (and other states where lane 
>splitting (or "lane sharing") is legal. After moving and having to 

Is it really legal, or just tolerated?  My understanding is that it is NOT
legal, but the authorities tolerate it.  Somebody have any actual code 
references that they can site.

 <bunch of stuff deleted>

>babes - when the ol' lady isn't with me :-). Hot damn, maybe it helps our 
>image. Why not try it when YOU are spliting lanes. If cagers are always 
>waved to when they make room for us, maybe more of them will start 
>doing it instead of pulling CLOSER because they are pissed that someone 
>else is getting down the road faster than they are.

But just imagine how our image could be helped if you didn't lane split at all.

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
AMA,HOG,TMRA                                             Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I
1991 Ford Escort GT                           
******************************************************************************

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From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:42:46 GMT

Eddie Kieger (efk00@cd.amdahl.com) wrote:
: Why not try it when YOU are spliting lanes. If cagers are always 
: waved to when they make room for us, maybe more of them will start 
: doing it instead of pulling CLOSER because they are pissed that someone 
: else is getting down the road faster than they are.

Well, it's a nice idea <wan smile>.  But when I'm splitting lanes
(usually across the Bay Bridge), I am in a very heightened state of
concentration with my right hand ready above the brake at all moments
and my left hand ready to apply the horn or flash my high beam or both.
I always figure, if I can't find the special level of concentration I
require to feel safe splitting, say, because I'm tired or out of it,
then I don't do it that day.  (I like to think of the level of
concentration I require of myself as a kind of Zen thing.)  Anyway, with
both hands very busy at the ready-and-waiting, I can't see removing one
to wave every few seconds.

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From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: crunch... flaaaail...   splat!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:27:41 GMT

Kim Korner (kim@ella.mills.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	I have a headlight modulator on my Concours (as well as brake
: light modulators). While I do worry about occasional target fixation
: by oncoming cars, I do experience much less left turning in front of
: me. I'm always surprised when I spend time on another bike how much
: less visibile I am and how many more left turn scrapes I have.
: 		-KM<
I used to have one on my old bike.  My buddy-mechanic took it off one
day, along with my oil cooler, because he wanted to clean up the look of
my bike. :-(

Anyway, where are these available nowadays?  I really liked having a
modulator for the several years I used it.  Mine had a button that let
you turn it on for 5-7 seconds, say, when heading into a busy
intersection, if you didn't want to keep it on all the time.

--
 __D_a l_l m a_n  _ R o_s s _ |dman@netcom.com  /or/  |"You sound like a man|
 l  \\ l\\   /l  /\\  l\\   l |dross@well.sf.ca.us    |with a rubber nose." |
 l   >)l \\ /ll /  \\ l \\  l |vox/fax: 1.510.645.1883| -- One-Lung Bill    |
 l  // l  \X ll/--- \\l  \\ l |350 Perkins St., #108  |     Remmer (deceased)
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From: sfi@public.BTR.COM (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs  sfi@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Recomendations Wanted
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:26:49 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <75591@apple.apple.COM> robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths) writes:
>OK, while we're on the subject of helmets, I'll see if anyone else
>shares my unique problem.
>
>Is there anyone else out there who just can't seem to find a helmet that
>fits?  I never used to think of myself as a fathead, but I'm beginning
>to change my self perception.

 I've used Shoeis exclusively for the last six or seven years. I've had
 the RF series, the GRVs and now the new X8. I've noticed that they are
 always a very snug fit when new and wear out within about a year. However,
 they've saved my ass^H^H^Hhead several times now. They aren't as quiet
 as some others (Marushin of all things), nor as well-vented as some.
 However, they are consistently amongst the lightest helmets and have
 excellent quality faceshields (I find both the clarity and the resistance
 to scratches very important). They also protect very well.

 You can buy 'em for as little as $225 in solid colors. 

 I think you can't go wrong wearing Arai either. I don't because they
 don't fit me too well. I wouldn't wear anything other than these two
 brands. But that's just my opinion..

 Stef
-- 
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs (sfi@btr.com): (415) 626-6069 voice/pager: (415) 599-4876
                dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting writing business)
   "If you're going to crash, then do it on the first lap because then you
    don't wear the engine out for nothing" - Jon Ekerold, 350cc World Champion
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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Motorcycle for World trip
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:56:42 GMT

It's opinion time!

A friend, who incidentally still has to learn how to ride, is planning on
what could easily turn into a world trip (South America, Africa, Eastern Europe
and who knows where else). After considering various options he has decided 
that a motorcycle is the only logical choice considering that he will be
traveling between continents as well as his desire to go offroading whenever
possible. Good choice!

Anyway, he has asked me for my opinion of the bike to use. I am basically
thinking along the lines of the Cagiva Elefant (sp), BMW, etc. Extended
range, durability, off-road capability and parts availability are important
factors.

Any responses are welcome.

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
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From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: Cheap Cold Weather Gear
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:24:51 GMT

Lisa DeLorme (delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: Today I went to a Target store (like a big K-mart) and stumbled across
: knit neckgators on sale for $2.25 (they are like turtlenecks without the
: turtle part, I mean without the shirt part).

Good tips.  Those are (used to be, anyway) called "dickeys."  No smiley,
though it's a silly name.

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From: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Cheap Cold Weather Gear
Date: 12 Dec 1992 22:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Today I went to a Target store (like a big K-mart) and stumbled across
knit neckgators on sale for $2.25 (they are like turtlenecks without the
turtle part, I mean without the shirt part).

They have a big assortment of knit helmet liners, wind triangle type things,
neckgators, and stuff all at very cheap prices. Some come with polarfleece/
and/or thinsulate.

The one I got is the "Trend Basics" neckgator/headband (it can fold into a
headband) for $2.25 ($2.99 not on sale). I tried it today, it works, it's warm.
Forget camping stores at these prices. Look for them in the women's winter
accessories section

PS: Big 5 Sporting goods is advertising glove liners at $3.99


Your resident broke biker,

-- 
Lisa DeLorme                            
delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu           
DOD #363/ 80 KZ250, (mouse bike), 82 KZ440
                    Hey, I'm finally an acronym: DBNI  (Double bike, no income)
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: @*^#*$%## California -- what color reflectors CAN one use?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:26:21 GMT

In article <1gavg8INNrfm@morrow.stanford.edu> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
}And the same to you, Curtis.
}
}Show me a state that does NOT have restrictions on how
}closely your vehicle can resemble an emergency vehicle.

1) I never said I wanted my bike to resemble an emergency vehicle. I *don't*
want it to resemble an emergency vehicle. I want it to resemble nothing
normally seen on the road -- and hence make people take notice.

2) I have only known 3 states anal retentive enough to have *and* enforce
bullshit regulations that, rather than restricting one to NOT using lights
that resemble those of emergency vehicles, instead restrict one to ONLY
using lights like everyone else on the road. Those states are New Jersey,
Virginia, and California. In Virginia they gave someone a full-blown ticket
(not a fix-it) for having tiny multi-colored non-blinking Christmas lights
around the perimeter of their rear pickup truck window. This is absurd.

}I'm pretty sure the no-amber-rear-lights rule is there to
}conform to an NHSTA rule.  It's a sensible rule, too; it's
}critical for traffic safety that drivers understand what's
}happening in front of them.  Amber running lights create a
}potential ambiguity as to whether you're looking at the
}front or the rear of a vehicle.

I agree completely. The *original* poster was asking about amber rear lights.
I wasn't. I was deliberately non-specific -- I want to know what *IS*
allowed so I can decide what to put on the trunk of my bike. The fact that
the original poster was ticketed for blue reflectors was what set me off;
I don't give a crap about amber running lights.

}This all goes double for something totally different, like
}adding a totally unexpected color.  KISS is a basic rule
}for user interfaces, and this is a safety-critical
}interface that has to be very consistent.

I want Joe Average Driver to *LOOK* at me. What better way to do that
than to have one yellow, one purple, and one green reflector on the back
of my bike. I don't give two shits about how puzzled he is, as long
as he *sees* me!

"Sir, I'll have to ticket you for the yellow, purple, and green reflectors
on your bike. You see, it makes your motorcycle look like an ambulance."
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
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From: mgsmith@hpl.hp.com (Michael Smith)
Subject: Help, my motorcycle stopped working
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:17:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

I haven't been using my motorcycle very regularly the last few months
(I ride my bicycle mostly these days.  Sort of the same thing, just
real low horsepower), and I went down to the garage to start it up
and it was leaking a bit of gas.  It had done this about 6 months
ago so I wasn't too suprised.  You see, it is a '78 GS850 that had
been sitting in someones garage for years and when I bought it, there 
was a bunch of crud in the gas tank and carburetor.  This caused the
thing to leak gas (overflow from carburetor) so I cleaned gas tank,
petcock, and carburetor (several times).

Anyways, this time I start up the motorcycle and it starts up great,
much better than usual.  Immediately it has power whereas usually it
is a dog until it warms up.  I get on and ride a mile or two and it
starts to run funny just at the point when I usually put in the choke
because it is running ok.  The symptoms are: it runs rough, stalls at
idle, very limited power, and even smells kind of peculiar.

It sounds to me like something in the carburetor is causing the beast
to run very rich.  Does this make sense to those out there who have more
experience than I?  If so, what could cause this and what should I look
for when I take apart the carburetor?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Smith
HP Labs

PS I finally got my new leather jacket 8*).  Sheesh, what timing 8*(.
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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:39:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.185943.27163@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
[...]
>
>But just imagine how our image could be helped if you didn't lane split at all.

Suuuure.  And it'd help our image EVEN MORE if we got off those
nasty anti-social motorcycles and into nice neat econo-box cars.

>******************************************************************************
>Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
>AMA,HOG,TMRA                                             Dallas, Texas
>1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
>1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
>1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I

And while you're at it, someone might be offended by those horrible loud
muscle cars, so get rid of them.

And that airplane!  You might crash, and cost "society" millions of dollars!
Get rid of it too!

You just go and nice yourself right to death; I'll keep lane-splitting.



Yes, I know I'm being absurd.  You have to draw the line somewhere, as
to what you give up so as to not annoy too many people.  I run quiet
exausts, I don't ride or drive like a dick.  But damn if I'll stop (legally)
lane-splitting because some yo-yo might get offended that I'm getting ahead
of him.   Fuck them!  They can get bikes and lane-split too if it
means that much to them!


p.s. I wave to cagers that move over for me, too.  I commute irregular
hours, so I don't know if anyone remembers and moves over the next day.
I'd be willing to bet that cagers think better of a lane-splitting biker
who waves vs. a non-waving biker who sits in traffic.
--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
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