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From: thijs@cs.vu.nl (Doorn van MAB)
Subject: Re: HELP - OS/2 hangs (but not completely)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:06:38 GMT

twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
: What I have been doing is developing DOS programs under OS/2
: using Microsoft C version 6 (text, no graphics). With OS/2,
: I do the compile/link in one window. And while it's working away, 
: I can jump to another window to work on another file (or whatever
: other thing I want to do but they will all be DOS stuff). This
: arrangement has worked well except every once in awhile, when I
: do a Ctrl-Esc to switch to another window, I'll get back to desktop
: the Window List menu shows up, but than hangs. I can't move the
: cursor with my arrow keys and I can't click anything with my mouse
: although my mouse cursor does move. I can't press all the keys in
: the world which eventually fills the keyboard buffer and OS/2
: beeps back at me. 
  ...
: Patterns, it seems to happen only when I'm compiling with the
: MSC 6 in one window, and it doesn't matter what I have in any
: other windows. I;ve read the README file and it has no mention
: of problems with MSC 6.
  ... 

I have the same problem, but not with MSC, but with WCED. It's a command-line
editor, just like CED, but with file name completion (DOS-program)

I have tried to discover why and when this happens. I found the following
clues:

 * It only occurs when I run WIN-OS/2 (or have run)
 * It only occurs when one RETURNS from WIN-OS/2
 * Dos settings don't have any influence
 * It happens about 75% of the times I work with both WCED and WIN-OS/2
 * It has nothing to do with INI-files, because I tried it with the original
   INI-files just after installation.

Although this will not help Thomas, maybe someone else has the same problem.
If so, please let me know. I am considering sending a bug-report to IBM.

Matthijs van Doorn
________________________________________
"If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the
 process of putting them in."

Internet:  thijs@cs.vu.nl
From: joe2@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:38:31 FST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: New generic 800x600x16 PM driver
Reply-To: <joe2@vnet.ibm.com>
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <19920911.080109.368@almaden.ibm.com> joe2@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>   Some good news... I have  made an OS/2 2.0 800x600x16 generic
>display driver. It is supposed to support all adapters that are
>supported by SVGA.EXE. I have tested this driver on both an ATI
>and a Paradise adapter. I know somebody who will test it on
>a Trident card. So right now I am looking for owners of:
>
> .Video 7
> .Tseng
>
>adapters, to beta test it. These people should have access
>to email to receive uuencoded files, or, even better, to
>BITNET. Please contact me directly to joe2@vnet.ibm.com
>
>NOTE: THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL IBM DRIVER. I am doing it during
>my spare time. And before I am asked, this driver will not support
>seamless windows, since to do so you need a special Windows driver
>as well. This driver is still 16bit, but has the new 2.0 cursors,
>default colors, etc.
>
>-Joel Armengaud
>
>
 OK, I have already received enough answers! :-) So now please STOP
sending mails... Sorry for the requests that I will have to reject.

 -Joel Armengaud
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking
From: zxmkx01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Andreas Kerger)
Subject: Lastdrive & NET5 Shell
Keywords: Novell & Os2
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 13:20:50 GMT

Hi,
I'am trying to run ipx & net5 in a
dos - window under OS2. The connection 
is succsesful but i have troubles to
logg into the system. this is because
OS2 has in it's dos-settings a lastdrive
option. the problem is that you may not
declare any (!) Lastdrive for net5, otherwise
you could not access to the login-drive.
has anybody an idea how to solve it?
thank you very much!
andreas

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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Read only files, HPFS, wrong, wrong, wrong
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:15:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <1992Sep10.050559.5642@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry) writes:

>have not checked out of the RCS.  Under UNIX it works great, but under the
>DOS style (and hence HPFS), you check out a file, but then can not compile
>it because it is read only. This is especially painful when using GNUMAKE
>(but I'll save that sob story for my next post...)

Sounds like a bug in your compiler.  What (godforsaken) compiler are you
using?  I'm using RCS, under DOS & UNIX & now OS/2, and haven't had any
problems on any of these platforms...

A compiler shouldn't need to do more than read the file--so the fact
that the files are read-only shouldn't (and doesn't, with any compiler
I've seen) matter.

>So, can anybody think of a solution to the RCS problem?

Yes.  Replace your compiler with one that isn't brain-dead.

[smiley captioned for the humor impaired :-) :-)]
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dgentges@cs.umr.edu (Doug Gentges)
Subject: Seceret Weapns of the Luftwaffa WARNING!!!
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:36:36 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: dgentges@mcs213d.cs.umr.edu

I installed seceret weapons of the luftwaffa(sp?) yesterday, and everything
went fine until i switched back to WPS, and found that my mouse wasn't working
I thought that i had simply accidently loosend the cable, so i wiggled
connectors, and re-started my sistem.  Imagine my suprise when I got the 
message "\os2\mdos\vmouse.sys not installed, line ?? of config.sys ignored" or
something to that effect.  after searching for about a half an hour, i finaly
found the problem.   Apparently, the instalation program decided that i needed
the new version of the logitec mouse driver that came with the game.  so it
copied the new driver to d:\os2\mouse.sys.  how nice of it.  after unpacking 
the os/2 mouse.sys from disk 3, I decided it might be good to mark all the 
.exe files in my os2 directory as read-only.  I dont know if this is the
only lucasfilm game that dose this, but you may want to take some precautions
if you are installing any of their games.  

Doug
 

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From: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (David Slack)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:18:09 GMT
Subject: Re: --> DeskJet Owners READ THIS <--
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

Very Good Point!  Something All US companies should keep in mind!
I will forward this Basenote to the right people. 

I just bought OS/2 and did not know it wouldn't support my DJ-500C.
At least I can use my LJ-111D.  To bad I can't do color, thats the
only reason I own a DJ-500C.

Support AND Service is of the utmost importance to HP's success.

Thanks, 
Dave Slack, Hewlet Packard Co. Boise ID. Div.

 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Misc. Questions
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:59:46 GMT

1) Has anyone encountered a drive icon that won't open?  In my case it is 
D:, which is HPFS.  I have the latest kernel and the HPFS fix loaded.  From 
the drive icon menu, CHKDSK tells me I have errors.  Booting from diskette 
and running CHKDSK D: /F or CHKDSK D: /F:3 no longer report any errors (had 
some before), but the icon on the desktop still won't open.

2) Has anyone documented the actual method for using a non-OS/2 backup 
procedure? (I have considered copying my disk to a network-accessible disk, 
if I can figure out *exactly* how to back up the EA's, etc.  Is it *really* 
as simple as "run EABACKUP, copy all files, reformat, recopy all files and 
run EARESTORE"?  Somehow I am sure I will lose the desktop or somesuch thing 
with such an approach.

3) How important is it to have an updated boot diskette?  Booting from the 
install disks after upgrading the kernel, the HPFS driver, etc. seems 
dangerous to me (for example, CHKDSK was reporting SWAPPER.DAT problems 
until I updated the HPFS.IFS driver on the diskette I was booting from.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: os2 windows/full screen
Date: 13 Sep 1992 08:23:45 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Is there any particular reason that one cannot shrink or full screen
a os2 full screen or a os2 window?

When one opens a dos window, one can full screen it by alt-home and vice
versa.  This also applies to the dos full screen mode.

Why doesn't it work with the os/2 windows/full screens?  Or is it done
w/ another key combination?

david shy
shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: grichard@swimming.cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard III)
Subject: Re: Enhanced Editor
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.003724.1289@cis.ohio-state.edu> grichard@swimming.cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard III) writes:
>
>Anyone know if the Enhanced Editor is generally buggy?  I just had it
>crash with an access violation during a drag operation.
>
>
>--Golden
>-- 
>Golden Richard III             OSU Dept. of Computer and Information Science
>grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu                                   (614) 292-0056




On a related note, why does the "Enhanced" editor ask THREE times what
file I'd like to print to when I select "print file" from the File
menu?   My default printer is a postscript print-to-file device.


--Golden
-- 
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grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu                                   (614) 292-0056
From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 help needed!  comm and speed problems, etc.
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:03:36 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Sep11.052720.21425@ans.net>, db3l@ans.net (David Bolen) writes:
> [help for dos communications problems]
> It's dependent on the filesystem you are using.  For any of your FAT
> partitions (and the floppy), the DISKCACHE line controls things.  The number
> is the size (in Kbytes) of the cache, and the LW turns "lazy writing" on.
> Check out the command reference (look in the Information folder) for more
> details.
> 
> If you have an HPFS drive, then the size of the cache is set in the /C: option
> on the IFS= line that loads HPFS.IFS.  Lazy writing is activated by running
> the CACHE.EXE program (in config.sys, RUN=, or later from the command line)
> with the /LAZY:ON option.  It's enabled by default if your C: is HPFS.
> For further information, see "CACHE" or "IFS (HPFS.IFS)" in the command
> reference.

The on-line ref says that DISKCACHE applies to HPFS drives also (search
on "performance", then do "improving system performance", then check the
HPFS entry).  From what I've seen on this group, the information in the
on-line ref is incorrect.

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet)
Subject: Vmode.com and os/2
Summary: Using vmode.com before wps
Keywords: Diamond Speedstar
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:59:47 GMT

Does anyone know if you can run a dos program before wps.  I need
to run vmode.com to set my Speedstar 24 to work with my monitor.
Thanks!

kaz


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Unix Windows (uw)
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:15:17 GMT

In <1992Sep7.041332.26002@ultb.isc.rit.edu> djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Don Smith) writes:


>Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone has heard of an OS/2 version of unix windows.

Uh, WHICH UNIX windows?

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From: jdsmith@novell.com (Doug Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Shredder is gone
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:37:12 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Novell NPD

Last week, my OS/2 system crashed.  When I brought it back up, the shredder 
icon was gone from my WPS.  I can't seem to figure out how to get it back.  
Any ideas?

Doug Smith
Novell NPD
jdsmith@novell.com
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From: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What is a "CSD"?
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Organization: IBM, UK AIX Systems Support Centre.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stirling.hursley.ibm.com
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

In  <0efd5F600WBL48Y5hA@andrew.cmu.edu>  cj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl B Jabido) writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os2.misc: 9-Sep-92 Re: What is a "CSD"? by
> Mike Levis@ringer.cs.uts 
> > I have not heard IBM announcing the cost of the CSD, but
> > rumors say that it will either be free (if you download)
> > or be available for just the media charges (if you go to
> > an IBM dealer and request the CSD on diskettes).
> 
> What's the probability of it being placed on FTP?
> 
> Carl Jabido
> cj00@andrew.cmu.edu

I made the initial suggestion to the OS/2 group to use FTP.  I would expect the
CSD images to certainly be on the FTP server, as the initial suggestion was based
solely on providing the CSD's.

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From: joiner@myria.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner)
Subject: Re: Little problems with OS/2 2.0
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:19:23 GMT

In <9D7sqB1w165w@turbo.atl.ga.us> greg@turbo.atl.ga.us (Greg Montgomery) writes:

>3) - How is ATM accessed? I didn't find an icon for it anywhere.

It's in the Main group of the Full-screen Win-OS2 session.  Before you
can use it, you have to load psfonts from Device Driver disk 5, "Fonts
for PS printers" from the ATM font load dialog.

Jay Joiner
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What is a "CSD"?
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:11:10 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <hatton.716239610@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
>>   Well, think about it - "corrective service" sounds a lot like what we
>>already have, namely fixes for bugs. So, if you have the revised kernel,
>>the revised vsvga.sys, and so on, then you already *have* the "CSD"!

>Nope.  You'll have beta patches that will go into the CSD when they're
>finalized.  The CSD will be completely debugged versions of these
>patches, plus some that haven't been released to the Net yet.  If you
>read the readme files with these patches, you'll notice that they are
>intended only to be used if you have a problem, and not otherwise.

I was trying to get away from the notion that the "CSD" part of the release
would be anything to write home about, so I overstated the case. Yes, there
are several patches that are still not finished - commga and hpfs come to
mind. But the point was that we are going to be getting *more* than a 
"corrective" package; it includes new things, hence a better name.

>>So, with new items and functionality, corrective service doesn't really
>>fit - so Service and Performance Pack (or was it the other way 'round)
>>becomes the new name. But people haven't really had time to adjust fully
>>to IBM-speak, and so having just learned "CSD" they aren't willing to 
>>give that up as the name for the upcoming release. 

>Yep.  It's now an SPP (I like that abbreviation, I wonder if we can
>make it catch on within IBM...).  A CSD implies that no new
>functionality would be added.  This was generally the case with OS/2
>1.x (although the WR5015 CSD for OS/2 1.3 added new VIO fonts and the
>Lockup program...).

Well, I expect that, given time, we can make "SPP" a new part of the
ever-expanding jargon :-)
 
Tom
Organization: Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 18:33:38 -0400 
From: Daniel McKeel <dm76+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: SCSI Controllers

Hello
    Other than the two controllers listed in the readme file on disk,are
there any other SCSI controllers that will work.Is a DTC scsi controller
any good.It comes with a driver for OS/2 1.3.but no 2.0 drivers.Any one
know?

Dan
From: gjw900@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: First time OS/2 weirdnes and questions...
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:23:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: slippc1.anu.edu.au

In article <sNq0PB1w164w@dvss.UUCP> dvss!jtroy@udel.edu (Jay Troy) writes:

>Well this week I had my first bout with some OS/2 weirdness (after 4 months
>of using it).  A couple of days ago it froze on me.  I waited to see if it

My home system freezes every 7-10 days, with the HD light hard on. It isn't 
doing anything that I can tell. Maybe it's a hardware problem; my HD didn't 
like being kicked around by the WPS in 4 meg.

>to my surprise, my HPFS was neither corrupted nor rebuilt.

Same with my FAT.

>OS/2 is the best thing for the
>desktop since color.

Yep, PCs grow up.

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From: jmitchel@husc17.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Word for windows fonts
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:25:10 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep12.015953.18284@midway.uchicago.edu>, sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
> In article <1992Sep10.150056.10708@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>How do I get the font list to appear in the menu-bar pull down?
>>I installed a bunch more using ATM; the fonts are there (I've used
>>them by typing in the name) but I can't get the choices out of the
>>pull-down.
>>I'm using a clone 486/33 with a Paradise card using the default
>>video drivers that came with OS/2.
> 
> Do you have IOPL=YES in your OS/2 CONFIG.SYS?
> 
> Can you provide additional details?  Which application is causing the
> problem?  Is it a problem under Win-OS/2 or OS/2 proper?
> 
> -- 
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> of Chicago, 60637       | Family Values Means a Job

I had the same problem until I installed a printer under WIN/OS2. You should
check the control panel and see if all looks well. I think it said Generic
(text only) for me, and I think that was what was causing the problems
(I guess w4w won't show you fonts you can't print - WYSIWYG and all.)

Hope this helps,

Jason
jmitchel@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Win3.1 support *better* than MS!
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:54:58 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1002@engcon.marshall.ltv.com> rodgers@engcon.UUCP (KMRODGERS) writes:
> In article <ignacij.714930723@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu> ignacij@meishan.animal.uiuc.edu (Ignacy Misztal) writes:
> |>I am finding more and more good Windows applications
> |>that are using the enhanced mode. Therefore they don't work under
> |>OS/2. Windows under OS/2 is thus useless for me. 
> |>It would run neither Mathematica nor Framaker + many other good packages.
> |>Is it possible to write a large Windows application without
> |>resorting to the enhanced mode? If so, I would suspect that many 
> |>current Windows developers will try to make their packages run well
> |>under the OS/2 Windows.
> 
> Keep in mind, not all apps that require Windows 386 mode are incompatible
> with OS/2.  Only those which use the "DLL from hell", WINMEM32.DLL, cannot
> be used under OS/2.  Yes, that includes some very nice applications, but
> certainly not all of the Win386 mode apps.

I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong.....but I am told that Windows NT
won't run these programs either - and for the same reason: they respresent an
integrity exposure........
 
Steve
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From: "roger ramsey" <roger.ramsey@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: undocumented calls
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:56:22 EST
Reply-To: "roger ramsey" <roger.ramsey@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Richard Anstruther wrote on 09-03-92 regarding UN: UNDOCUMENTED CALLS:

RA>It's in the August 31 issue.

I look forward to reading it.

RA>One would hope that the normally docile FTC _will_ decide to do
RA>something (for a change).

I doubt it.

RA>It would be breathtakingly arrogant

Arrogance **is** their trademark (and to me one of their more endearing 
qualities, as long as they can back it up).

Roj



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From: daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Sloooow Printing with OS/2
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:49:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
In-reply-to: tom@nds.com's message of 1 Sep 92 18:19:53 GMT

I too have a problem with slow printing.  Under DOS (at work) I use PCPS to
print to LaserWriters on our network and it is incredibly fast.  The network
spoolers take the file as fast as PCPS and the ethernet can feed it to them.
Under OS/2 I use PCPS and lprmon to get to the printers and everything slows
down to a crawl.  It doesn't take 10 minutes to do a small file, but it does
take at least 10 times longer than under DOS.  PCPS spools to lprmon slower
than it does to the network spooler and lprmon takes forever to send it out
to the network.  Does anybody have any ideas what is going wrong?
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