From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:53:44 GMT
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold

>>We can apply Mr. Wu's reasoning here.  He claims that in order to judge
>>a culture, you must have met every single member of that culture.
>No, he's not saying that at all.  He's saying that there are some labels
>and cultures which are easily defined (a Nazi believes in killing Jews,
>and anti-Semetic hates, or at least has negative pre-conceived notions of
>Jews) and some which aren't (like American or Chinese culture).

Well, that's not correct.  Mr. George Wu (georgew@hspice.portal.com) claims
that in order to judge a culture, you must have met every single member of that
culture.

So, in order for him to make the judgment that "there are some labels
and cultures, like Nazism, which are easily defined", he must have met
every single person who claims to be a Nazi.  But I am certain that he has
not met every single person who claims to be a Nazi.  Hence, he
cannot condemn Nazism.

Again, I've never met one person who claims to be a Nazi, and I still
condemn that culture.

>>Similarly, I believe that the people in China would again erect a
>>totalitarian gov't because their culture is so oppresive toward
>>individuality (and just plain leaving people alone).  I don't have
>>statistical information to back me up.  I have not met every member of
>>American society.  However, because I have an understanding of Chinese
>>society, I believe that this a reasonable conclusion.
>Once again you fail to make the distinction between the Chinese government
>and the Chinese people. ...

No, I have no such failing.  The original question was what kind of gov't would
the people erect if the American gov't and the Chinese gov't were wiped
out today.

The Americans would again erect a democratic gov't.  The Chinese would not,
and I do not need to talk to every American and every Chinese to know this.
The oppressive dictatorship is consistent with the Chinese notion that an
individual has little to no rights as an individual.  This is an integral
part of Chinese culture.  This is very different from the beliefs in 
Western culture.

>[China Airlines]

Mr. George Wu, like many of his Chinese-cu friends, believes that skin
color determines the inferiority or superiority of a person.  They
also believe that virginity has a crucial bearing on the value of a woman.

Even though China Airlines, as reported by ABC news and Reuter's news
service, has the following two requirements for potential flight attendants

    (1) Must be a virgin
    (2) Must not have skin that is too dark

Chinese-cu people overseas have not objected.  This includes people in
Hong Kong and Taiwan.  Note that large demonstrations appeared in Hong Kong
after the Tenanmon (Japanese pronunciation) incident and that there have
be some demonstrations in Taiwan after it's oppresive Chinese-cu gov't
lifted martial law in ~1987.  Also note that under the genial English
control of Hong Kong, protests have been permitted for a long time.
(Unlike places where Chinese-cu run the gov't, Hong Kong has had a much
greater respect for freedom of speech.)

Also, note that China Airlines is based in Taiwan.  Strangely, there has
not even been a whisper of protest in either Taiwan or Hong Kong.

In America, where Western culture predominates, if American Airlines 
implemented the same policies, Americans would be in an uproar.  The
chairman of American Airlines would likely be forced to resign.

That is one intrinsic difference between American culture and Chinese-cu
culture.  I condemn the second culture; I praise the first.  Note that I
do not wish to forcibly stop anyone from identifying with either Chinese-cu
culture or Nazism.  As an American, I recognize that individual choice
is to be respected; if that's what a person wants to do, that's his/her
perogative.

However, I reserve the right to condemn both Nazism and Chinese-cu culture.

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