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From: Geoffrey Bradshaw <RFEATHER@macc.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Music or Religion
Reply-To: RFEATHER@macc.wisc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:17:45 GMT

 
 
eagle writes:
 
|  Joeseph Campbell took one look at a Dead Show and proclaimed it
|Dyonisis- that's orgiastic enlightenment! :-):-):-)  Albert Hoffman
|said that LSD should be used under controlled conditions to induce
|Mystic Experience.  I can't think of better conditions than a Dead
|Show.  I baby sat a dude in Vegas who'd never realized he was God
|before through the first set Sunday.  A lot of folks that show up
|at Cal Expo nowdays in the middle of the week have that smile when
|they're dancing with their eyes closed that just tell you they saw
|God for the first time with the Grateful Dead over 20 years ago.
|  I wouldn't call it religion, but spiritual?  Yep, I'd certainly
|go on record calling a Grateful Dead Show a mass spiritual experience.
 
    Yes, eagle, I too would go on record to call the a dead show a
spiritual experience.  In my opinion it is a powerful modern day ritual.
The Dead as a band (despite their attempts to shed the cult immage to
say 'we're just a rock n roll band') have become a symbol for an entire
cultural lifestyle.  The shows serve, for many participants, as a ritual
that both grounds these cultural beliefs and values in the participants'
psyche, but also is a ritual forum in which their behavior shapes those
beliefs of what the band symbolizes.
    So in other words, for a lot of 'heads the show is a ritual that is
psychologically framed as a time in which to reinforce community values,
participate in the "rituals" (drums, gift giving, smoke passing, and so
on), and in general let it all hang out in an experience of freedom not
allowed/experienced by a lot of folks outside the shows.  On top of all
that the use of psychedelics, combined with the ritual atmosphere, and
the gospel-like build-up and release of the music can produce in many
people a powerful religious/spiritual/exstatic/joyful release (take it
from anyone who has danced into a frensy, welled up in tears during Comes
a Time, et al., and screamed out to LET THAT LOVELIGHT SHINE ON ME,
SHINE ON ME, SHINE ..., and left so speachless that they couldn't even
clap when it was all over, just raising their fist in a etheral,
transcendental salute.
 
    Get well Jerry!
 
 
                      ---- Runningfeather ----
From: jko@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: ROOKIE QUESTION
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:27:15 GMT


Some of the shorthand used on the bbs/forums is vague to me...:-)

BTW = By the Way,
But what does IMHO =?

Sorry for the waste of disk space ...:-)

Havin a Grateful Day!
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Merl Saunders/Deadicated
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:38:37 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Aug30.081941.29255@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> jko@bonnie.ics.uci.edu writes:
>I was listening to the version of "Sugaree" on the live Merl
>Saunders and the Rainforest band compact disc, and thought that
>if this tune was put on the Deadicated album, many including
>myself would think that this is the best tune on the album.

Not only do I think Merl's "Sugaree" is a natural fit for a Deadicated II,
it should have been on the original compilation in the first place.
The jazz/blues/R&B feel Merl provides gives a whole new personality to
the Dead standard, with a more upbeat punch than the Dead versions.

>Just a thought, if there is a Deadicated II, I hope that Merl 
>Saunders is asked to come up with another interpretation of
>a Dead Classic.

I wouldn't count on it.  One main problem is that Merl isn't in the
same "public" status as the other artists:  Most are on a "big"
label (Warner Bros.) where Merl's recent works (BLUES FROM THE RAINFOREST,
MEREDIAN DREAMS, SAVE THE PLANET...) are on his own Sumertone label.  When
Jens and I rapped with Merl over a year ago in Ithaca, Merl told us he'd
rather release "Sugaree" on his own label, as he does not trust other
labels after he and John Fogarty were stiffed by Saul Zantz of
Fantasy Records for ownership of their material:  That's also why
smokin' albums like FIRE UP and HEAVY TURBULANCE haven't appeared on
CD -- and if/when both ever do, get them.


 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
 | John J. Wood                              jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  |
 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
 |			PLEASE GET WELL, JERRY!!!   			  |
 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*
 | "You know in spite of all you gave,                         		  |
 |  You shouldn't have to stand out in the pouring rain,	  	  |
 |  One last voice is calling you, and I guess it's time you go..."       |
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From: jgw@acpub.duke.edu (JAMES WELCH)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Get Well Jerry Video in Colorado
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:55:15 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.gdead
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


>I heard this morning on the radio that someone seomehre in Colorado is trying
to organize a get well video for Jerry, to be filmed at some peak (climber only
>type heads need apply ?) where the snow cap forms the shape fo the cross.


Does anybody out there know if this happened ?  The guy who thought this up and 
organized this is Rod Giffen and he is a very close friend of mine.  I've been 
out of town and have not been able to get in touch with him.  I know he wanted 
me to post a message here to alert anybody who might have been interested, but
unfortunately I've been away.  I tried to call him a few minutes ago but he was
out.  He's probably in California as he was originally planning on going to the 
Shoreline shows.  So my feeling is if he did pull this off it has already 
happened.  So, if there is anybody out there who knows if this actually 
happened or was a part of, please let me know.

>I knew we were weird, but, this seems pretty far out there !

Well, I would definitely not characterize this friend as being wierd :-)
Actually this is typical of my friend, always doing something for someone
else (e.g. buying my plane ticket to Germany in October 1990 so I could go with
him) and thinking of others first.  One of the best people I know on the face
of this earth.  If this happened I hope someone here on the net was not only 
a part of but got to meet Rod too.

And if it hasn't happened I will let you all know when it will.

GET WELL JERRY!   WE LOVE YOU!

Peace and Happiness
Jim Welch
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Yubba Dubber Do 26-Aug-1992 0918 <hannan@gnpike.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Dolby and Azimuth
Reply-To: hannan@gnpike.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:31:28 GMT

I don't think dolby in itself is the problem with dolby usage.
It's a good thing in a perfect world, but this is not a perfect
world.  Some dolby components/chips probably do differ and accounts
for some less than optimal results among decks.  The issue of bias 
effect has been explained but I don't understand it.  

However, I've noticed that a very major factor in quality dolby 
decoding on playback is the azimuth (== head alignment) of the playback 
deck. It must match the deck the tape was dubbed on to sound good.

Dolby seems to exaggerate differences between decks.  Without dolby
the sound quality may be ok.  With dolby, a difference btw decks may
make the sq sound much worse on playback. 

If you're the expiremental type and have a supposedly great tape with
dolby encoded, but the tape's highs are cut on playback, try adjusting
the azimuth screw near the tape head.  I've had incredibly good results
"tuning" the azimuth on playback on many occasions.  Once you get the
azimuth of the playback deck to match that of the recording deck, the
difference btw the decks are reduced and the playback results are *much*
better.  FWIW, the nak dragon dynamically adjusts azimuth. I wish all
decks came with an easily adjustable azimuth...

But be careful with messing with the azimuth. It _drastically_ effects 
tape sound quality.  It should be at a standard setting but a lot of 
decks are off.   Most tapes should and will sound fine, as good as it
could, at the standard setting, but sometimes (often?) you get a dub
from a deck where the head alignment is off.  When you play it back on
a recently tuned deck, it can sound less than optimal.

The debate on difference of chips can go on forever, but I think the
most major factor is that if there's is any difference btw decks, dolby
exaggerates or exponentiates this difference.

Ken
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tindall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Tindall)
Subject: Music or Religion?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:05:35 GMT

  "The Grateful Dead are about celebration and freedom."
            - Dennis McNally

Jeez Steve- I don't know, it's awful spiritual music-  And there's
the collective consciousness thing.  We all got whacked on acid
and stumbled into the Gestalt Linkage deal-  That was pretty much
a rediscovery of much higher potentials of consciousness.  Owsley
said it was like having a cocktail party in your head.  I was   
interviewed by some broad from KCBS last New Years who's supervisor
wanted a story on the Dead's touring success in '91 in the face
of a severe recession. Ditsy digbat asked me point blank, "Is it
drugs?"  I said, "No, it's community!"  Told her we all take care
of each other, we're worse than the Mormons
  Joeseph Campbell took one look at a Dead Show and proclaimed it
Dyonisis- that's orgiastic enlightenment! :-):-):-)  Albert Hoffman
said that LSD should be used under controlled conditions to induce
Mystic Experience.  I can't think of better conditions than a Dead
Show.  I baby sat a dude in Vegas who'd never realized he was God
before through the first set Sunday.  A lot of folks that show up
at Cal Expo nowdays in the middle of the week have that smile when
they're dancing with their eyes closed that just tell you they saw
God for the first time with the Grateful Dead over 20 years ago.
  I wouldn't call it religion, but spiritual?  Yep, I'd certainly
go on record calling a Grateful Dead Show a mass spiritual experience.
In fact, I did go on record during an interview with the Canadian
Broadcasting System during spring tour stating that a Grateful
Dead Show was a mass spiritual experience, then and now.  I'm also
on record as stating that anyone who would follow a rock band around
to watch them play music would have to be an idiot.
  But we're friends, and you can express yourself however you want.
After all, you're God!
  I get through saturday and that'll be 2 weeks without smoking.
I'm not as mean as I used to be a week ago.  Thank you all!  No
news is good news.  As long as I don't state otherwise, you may
assume I'm not smoking and I'll drop that thread from my posts!

                          eagle
                  
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: gsu0013@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Kaminsky)
Subject: Re: Happiness is a Warm Gun!
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.171138.1@vax1.umkc.edu> rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>
>Can someone send me the lyrics to "Happiness is a Warm Gun" by the Grateful
>Dead?

If it's the same song that The BEEATLES did on the album of the same
name, then the lyrics are:


She's not a girl who misses much.
du du du du du du_____   Oh, yeah.  
She's well aquainted with the touch of the velvet hand___
like a lizard on a window pane.
The man in the crowd with the multicolored mirrors on his hobnail boots.
Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy working overtime.
A soap impression of his wife which he ate and donated to the nation'l
trust.

I need a fix, 'cause I'm goin' down, 
down to the bits that I left uptown.
I need a fix, 'cause I'm goin' down.
Mother Superior, jump the gun.
Mother Superior, jump the gun.
Mother Superior, jump the gun.
Mother Superior, jump the gun.
Mother Superior, jump the gun.
Mother Superior, jump the gun.
A
Happiness is a warm gun, 
Happiness is a warm gun, mama.
When I hold you, in my arms. (oh yeah,)
And I feel my finger on your trigger, (oh yeah,)
I know nobody can do me no harm, because
Happiness is a warm gun, mama, (Bang, bang,  shoot, shoot.)
Happiness is a warm gun, yes it is, (bang, bang, shoot, shoot.)
Happiness is a warm, yes it is, gun...... (Happiness, bang, bang, 
shoot, shoot,)
Well don't you know that.....
Happiness, is a warm gun, mama.
(Happiness is a warm gun yeah.)


I hope that is what you were looking for!
I really had fun typing it!  Which show is this cover version from?
i would really like to hear their version...  

mike

I didn't write the music!  Ask the BEATLES, they wrote the music!
                                 ---- manson   

n
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: IWS%ssmic@cdfq.ssd.ray.com
Subject: Re: Grateful Dead Hour 208
Reply-To: IWS%ssmic@cdfq.ssd.ray.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:31:07 GMT

Hey David Gans,

Great to see that GDHour 208 comes around.  That makes this the
end of a fourth year of broadcast nationally, besides the years
of the Dead Head Hour.  Thanks for all the great tunes, all the
great times, and all the memories.  Hope that you keep at doing
this for a long time, until you get tired of it, and go video!!

Have a very happy Fourth Anniversary of the Grateful Dead Hour,
and as they say, many, many more!  Can't wait to hear the show!

Thanks, and :-)	Ihor
From: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com (Jeff Lester)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Holloween SBD Filler?
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:26:36 GMT
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet

|  Regarding the soundboard Holloween tape from the tape tree...
|  Does anyone know where the "Long Long Long Way..." "So Many Roads"
|  and "Wave To The Wind" filler is from??

They're the first versions. "Roads" and "Wave" from Oakland 2/22/92 and
"Long" from 2/23/92.

-Jeff Lester
From: lbfp@lut.ac.uk (Frank Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: From the vaults
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:05:06 GMT
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

On the up side of Jerry's illness - if that is not a contradiction
in terms, does the fact that a certain D. Healy having more time on 
his hands while not doing concerts mean that we can expect more and 
speedier work done on the Vault series? Here's hoping!

Frank Parry
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Subject: Lithuanian shirt investigation
Reply-To: S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:16:18 GMT



Isn't it time, since we're asking what the Dead represent, that we also ask
where the money is going from the $33 t-shirts. Does anyone know the
breakdown on the income from these sales? What percentage goes to the
Lithuanians? Is there even a Lithuanian National Team in existence now that
the Olympics are over?  What was the cost of producing the shirts? Who was the
artist, how much of the income is she/he receiving? In short, what percentage
of the income is GDMS profit pure and simple? I'd pay $13 for one and that's
high for a basketball shirt. $33.00 is a g o u g e  until someone can
demonstrate otherwise.

Seriously, I'd like to investigate this somewhat. Who's the director of
GDMerchandising?
From: jp@darkstar.com (J Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 'What's the big deal?'
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:48:53 GMT
Reply-To: jp@darkstar.com
Organization: The Internet

Garry Hodgson writes:
| S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu writes:
| >    Isn't it time, since we're asking what the Dead
| > represent, that we also ask where the money is going from
| > the $33 t-shirts. Does anyone know the breakdown on the
| > income from these sales? What percentage goes to the   

| > Lithuanians? Is there even a Lithuanian National Team in
| > existence now that the Olympics are over?  What was the
| > cost of producing the shirts? Who was the artist, how much
| > of the income is she/he receiving? In short, what
| > percentage of the income is GDMS profit pure and simple?
| > I'd pay $13 for one and that's high for a basketball shirt.
| > $33.00 is a g o u g e  until someone can demonstrate
| > otherwise.
| > 

| 

| If you don't want to pay $33, don't buy the shirt.
| What's the big deal?
| 


It's not a big deal. Which is why GDM should let us know where the  
money is going. The notion that we should blindly trust that GDM is  
doing 'good things' with our money is wrong. A little accountability  
always helps. And if you think it doesn't matter what they do with  
the money--they're just a business like any other business out to  
maximize profits and nothing more, well than, that's rather  
depressing, don't you think? It seems reasonable to request that GDM  
tells us where our $33 is going. The actual cost of the shirt can't  
be more than $5 (?). That leaves a lot of unaccounted for dollars  
floating around.

Jim
---
=================================================================
                     Jim and Julie Petersen
                        jp@darkstar.com               (NeXT Mail)
=================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: 'What's the big deal?'
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:01:36 GMT

Those  Lithuaniuan shirts are  really  not  more   expensive than other
tie-dyed  shirts that GDM  sells.  Sure, $33   is a lot  of money, but
what's the problem?   If you don't like it *DON'T BUY ONE* ...

				reb
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Ed Craig <CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Merl,Kingfish,NRPS,T.C at Loon Mtn
Reply-To: CRAIG@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:40:59 GMT

|>Drove over into the fascist state of N.H. (check your rights at the door)
    To which Peter Lavallee replied:
|        I'm sorry about this, but I have to comment.  What is your basis
|for calling the Granite State fascist?  I would call it libertarian, myself.
    Having watched the Lincoln police hauling off 5 kids for one joint,
(or part of one, good noses on those cops), then search a parked car for
an empty open can of beer on the ground by it, (driver looked a bit too
intimidated to say no, IMHO), all this in the lot before the show,
followed up by highly visible presence in the venue, I'd have to say that
whether or not the N.H. courts are libertarian, the police are decidedly
not. Furthermore, N.H. judges and juries seem to give all possible credit
to the honesty of their police as opposed to the credibilty of suspects.
    Fascist does seem a bit extreme to me, though.
    Whether or not New Hampshire ever decriminalized pot, the cops always
treat every bust as a major felony, complete with handcuffs and a trip
to jail, or so I've been consistantly told by bustees over the years.
    Basically I'd say that anyone chosing to smoke dope in New Hampshire
should excercise extreme caution about sightlines and who's downwind, or
rethink your choice.
    But I had a good time at Loon Mountain last Sunday, despite the lack
of the advertised Dave Grisman Quintet. Danko, as was noted before, was
in good, and apparently sober, form, (thanking the sun for making him a
liar just as he sang "...and the sun, doesn't shine, anymore"). And I
think Andy's estimate of the crowd was about off, seems to me there
were more like 6-800 there, (still nowhere near a sellout).
    And this was one venue with reasonably priced concessions. (Well,
I don't know about the beer prices, Bud always gives me a fierce head-
ache).
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Edward Craig            CRAIG@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
My opinions and M.I.T.'s occasionally coincide. Occasionally they don't.
    Neither of us worries about it.
"You know I've been a soldier in the armies of the night...."
                                    Mydland/Barlow
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From: lb04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Laura Bassi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: MSG refund blues
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:41:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi folks
( I posted this yesterday under re:Fall Tour Refunds, but it seems to have
disapated into the vapors)
In any case,
I was utterly bummed to bring those MSG money orders to the post office and
get _money_ for them...boohoo.
Good vibes to Jerry! and you all,
Laura
From: mac@sequent.com (Cormac Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Go Ahead
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:21:51 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.174912.27406@sunspot.noao.edu> brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.123406.2639@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>
>>Alex Ligertwood on guitar and vocals.  
>John, is this the same guy now touring with Carlos Santana? Do you
>anything of his passed endevors? I though he did an excellent job
>with Carlos.
>

As far as past endeavors, he used to sing with Brian Auger's 
Oblivion Express. Check out the album 'Back in the Beginning'
or any of the Live Oblivion albums if you're interested.
Cormac


-- 

Cormac Burke 				Vote No on 9!
Sequent Computer Systems
mac@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Quayles Council Stops Smoking Bans!
Organization: Save the Humans!
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 05:33:38 GMT
Summary:  satire, sarcasm obsolete

In article <4887@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>(Todd Brown) writes:
>>(Matt Brown) writes:
>>>(my previous ranting deleted)
Thanks
>>>(Do I get that speechwriting job now, Mr. Buchanan.  Please, please?)  
>>
>>I hope I'm missing the smilies here Matt, is this for real?
>
>...  I guess after the Republican Convention, our sarcasm detectors have
>been thrown out of synch and will need recalibration...
>Matt


"I stopped writing political satire.  It was rendered obsolete when
Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace prize."

  --  Tom Lehrer, who went back to teaching math at Harvard. (Is he
      still there?)


"No matter how cynical you get, you just can't keep up."

  --  Woody Allen


Cameron.    Get well, Jerry!  And take your sweet time about it.
From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Music, not Religion...
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:07:40 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii


  
       Has anybody ever seen Mickey wearing his "God is sound" T-shirt??
  or listened to Pete Townshend talk about Rock'n'Roll as a religion? 
Maybe the two are intertwined for some folks.

                    Cheerz,
                         Jack


   The opinions expressed are not only mine but are the official opinions of
The University of Hawaii,its'president Albert Simone,The State of Hawaii and
governor John Waihee:):):):):):):).
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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: Simple Newbie Question
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:59:54 GMT

In article <92247.150454CXF111@psuvm.psu.edu>,
Charles Fee <CXF111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I see Mydland is credited for the lyrics and music, did he sing it
>on the studio album?

yes, he did.
just lara
From: deannab@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Deanna Bergstrom)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:24:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Lookin' for "Ashes, Ashes".
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead

It's "official" title is "Throwing Stones", and it's on "In The Dark".