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From: karloey@aahs.no (Karl Anders Oygard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Is Falcon...etc.
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:59:54 GMT

Just a few points here:
1: Quantity does not neccessarily mean quality. Is the PC better than the NeXT
   just because more PCs have been sold than NeXTs? Is VHS better than Super 8?
   Is New Kids On The Block better than, say, Metallica? God forbid!

2: The Falcon has GREAT hardware, and at the assumed prices, it's a winner!

3: There is no reason to continue debating on this subject, really. Let's
   fill up the "Commerical Software" collumn a bit...

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From: tad@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Tad Hunt )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Atari 1040STfm, SC1224 Color Monitor, Megafile 30 HD, etc for sale: B/O!
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:53:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Originator: tad@nick.csh.rit.edu


	FOR SALE!
	BEST OFFER!
	I WANT THIS STUFF OUT OF HERE!

Atari 1040STfm - homebrew detached keyboard, homebrew joystick
SC1224 Color monitor
Megafile 30 Hard Drive - Loaded with PD software - will reformat or leave as
			 you wish
Everex EverCom 24E 2400bps MNP1-4 Error Correcting Modem
All necessery cables, etc are included.  I have some of the manuals I believe,
and all the original disks (IE: The language disk, HDX 3.01, etc)
theres more.  
You want it?  You pay shipping plus your offer

Make an offer... what do you think is reasonable?

please reply by email rather than followup as I don't read this group.

thanks,
Tad Hunt
From: wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim)
Subject: Re: MIDI file players (WAS : MOD players)
Organization: Aston University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:13:24 GMT

johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen) writes:
: wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:
: >AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox) writes:
: >: Just wondering if anyone out there has heard of a MOD player that will
: >: play MODs at random, say from a given disk.  Is there such a thing?
: >Greetings- Personally, I'd like something like this for MIDI files (any
: >format) which works as a DA or a background process. That way, I could 
: >have real(-ish) music playing whilst word processing, backing up and so
: >on. The CodeHead MIDI Spy demo does some of this, but is limited to 
: >about 15k files (I'd need 100k plus) and about 10 minutes usage. The full
: >version could do it, but I don't need the other facilities, such as 
: >permanent recording. All I need is something which churns out data to the
: >MIDI ports. Anything like this around?
: 
: Hi,
: 
: If the beta test version had not that one @#$% last minute bug,
: I would have announced the new version of PLAYBACK.PRG right now.
: 
: Version 1.0 is already available on several archives (look for: PLAYBACK.ZOO).
: Currently beta test version 1.04 is spread around to beta testers and
: in two weeks I will spread version 1.1 around.
: 
: PLAYBACK is not a DA or background program, but can play standard MIDIFILES,
: via the atari ST MIDI out port.

... Stuff about PLAYBACK deleted ...

: So please, two more weeks...
: 
: John. 
: -- 
: John Janssen         Email: johnj@echo.tds.philips.nl
: The Netherlands      or:    John.Janssen@atehv.bso.nl
: Work: +31 40 756425 
: Home: +31 77 513177  Atari Mega STE, PC 386 SX, MIDI, Astrology, C

Well, I've already got Playback, and it's pretty smart- easily the best
MIDI player I've seen- but what I really want is something which'll 
play stuff while I go and word process/ draw pictures/ play tetris :) 
or whatever at the same time. Someone mailed me and said they'd got
an old DA called "MYMSP" which can play MIDI files (though not at
random) does anyone else know whether this is any good? Is it already
on the net anywhere? He offered (very kindly) to upload it to atari.
archive if I couldn't find it elsewhere, but it'd be faster if it
was already available somewhere. (I couldn't find it on archie.) TIA...

-- 
Tim Wright.                   \               Real Life sucks
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Hard disk Defragmenters,  any suggestions?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:54:45 GMT

In article <168608AD1.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
>     I have a friend with an IBM that swears by his H.D. defragmenter.  I
>think he uses every day (sometimes twice).  Says that it speeds up his
>read times.  Could this be true?  Is it a good idea to defragment my Hard
>Drive once in a while?
>     If so, where could I find a RELIABLE defragger?  I saw a.a has one,
>but it didn't mention hard disks in the description......
> 

Well if I were you I would check out the new Diamond Edge program from
Oregon Research Associates (you know, the people who made Diamond Back).
It was slated for release this weekend at the Glendale fair (MMM, wish I
were there!), and their ad in the latest Atari Explorer gives a pretty
enticing description of it.  For example, it does disk/data recovery,
undelete, optimization (this is what you want), etc. 

Looks like a good program, especially based on their past success with
Diamond Back and Diamond Back II.

>Thanks.    J.H.              c556212@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu

Cheers, 

Ben Gilbert
bgilbert@cs.washington.edu
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: AT-Speed and Windows 3.1? (2nd try)
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:24:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1119@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> anisko@usdtsg.UUCP () writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.233319.10304@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:

>   Be careful on the numbering.  On a 286, Windows 3.0 AND BELOW will work
>(not just 2.x).  But I *think* Windows 3.1 is stuck to 386 and above.  Best
>place to ask this question would be in one of the "windows" newsgroups.
>Anyways, Windows 3.0 should work fine on a AT Speed C16...

	Bzzzt!  Wrong answer.  :)  (sorry, I've just needed to get that out
of my system. :)  Win 3.1 works fine on a 286.  Norton Desktop for Windows
is another story....  As one would expect, it only runs in "Standard"
mode (they got rid of "real" mode donchaknow).

	However, I _can't_ vouch for whether or not it runs on a C16.

>					Robert Anisko
>					anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com


-Mike




Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner)
Subject: Re: Is UMich Archive Still Around?
Summary: There are mirrors too.
Keywords: umich atari posse, the pope, bart, thanks davidli 
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.121404.6210@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>Just a followup...I have been able to make contact again.  For some reason
>everyone here at DEC lost ftp access to UMich for a week or two, but looks OK
>now.  Thanks for the help, all.

I'm not sure what happened there, but should access to atari.archive
go down, for whatever reason, there are mirrors available for your use.
The most notable would be wuarchive.wustl.edu, /mirrors/archive.umich.edu/atari.

I'm sure there are some in Europe also, but I am unaware of their exact 
names.

Be certain to know that you cannot upload to these mirrors.  (or maybe
you can, but I'll never see the files). 

thanks.
weiner

>
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From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: DSP Details from comp.dsp FAQ :
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:43:04 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego


Aside from the benefits of the Falcon, the ability to get experience
programming the 56000 at home on my MUSIC computer does sound
appealing. 

My 1040 ST has served my needs (since I put 4 megs in 
although I am short on hard disk space) pretty well since 
I have lots of toys to play with at work (VME, SUN, SGI, ...)
and it has to lure me away from my guitar at home.

Personally, I haven't been bothered by the "lack of software"
for the ST. I have more software than I can use thanks to
the Atari user community and I can program it myself if I
really need it.

But I find the Falcon increasingly appealing, because of its
musical features, just like the ST was five or six years ago.

So count me as probable (might wait for a '40 version, but
then again I might not since a '30 is a bit slicker than a
68000 @ 8 MHz)

Stoking the Falcon Flames,

Mike Healy

healy@cod.nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brunos@mafalda (Bruno  Schmidt)
Subject: Re: 68040 accelerator board?
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:25:01 GMT

In article <laod11INN47r@aludra.usc.edu> baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)  
writes:
> In article <H.NB0mn1ZPbEM@fredrik.atari.no> jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no writes:
> >>	From the descriptions so far, it is a stand alone (a tower?) from
> >>the main Mega ST (only so far) that houses a 66MHz 68040 (way over-driven
> >>IMHO, put perhaps bearable if it has some INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH heat sinks
> >>and one heck of a fan - maybe liquid cooled :).  Perhaps more busses (I  
hope)
> >>and memory.  Supposedly runs at about 24MIPs.  I wonder if it uses a cache
> >>(outside of the onboard of the '040)?  Would really Haul A** with a decent
> >>(ie: 256k+) cache...
> >>
> >This make no sence! The 25Mhz version of the 040 does 20MIPS. If a cklock
> >frequency more than two times higher only yields 25% increase, I'd be 
> >realy disapointed.

	Well, I was at the atari messe in dusseldorf...         ...and spoke to  
the designer of this accelerator...   what happens is that the chip is clocked  
at 60 mhz, but the card was running at 33 mhz, and he claimed that next does  
something simmilar, hence, they are both the same speed...

	by the way, the instructions on how rto make the expansion, will be  
published in a magazine(german), in the near future.

               Bye,      B.S.
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:57:33 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <10190@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
> 
>>     But don't forget, a command-. would have canceled that dialog box
>>so you wouldn't have had to reboot.
> 
> Ah, but of course!  Command-. why didn't I think of that logical keysequence :

Granted, the Mac operating system has its quirks (don't they all?), but
I think you will have a hard time showing that its quirkiness comes close
to rivaling that of TOS.  The ease of use and the standardized menu of
most applications is probably one of the main reasons that the Mac
clobbers the Atari line in sales of machines in spite of the huge
price differential (actually the price differential is narrowing
quickly).

For example:

In today's New York Times, there is an ad from J&R Music World
for a Mac Classic II for $1199.  For that you get:

68030-16mhz mpu
4mb RAM
40mb hard disk
keyboard
(hi rez mono monitor built in)

That is $400 more than the indicated price of the Falcon and for
that extra money you get 3mb more RAM, monitor, hard disk, and
stable system software.  ...not to mention the thousands of software
titles available off the shelf (instead of hunting all over town for
a music store with a few game titles).

Regards,

Chris
From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: auto program/acc selection
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:15:52 GMT
Reply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()
Organization: NCR Corporation, Dayton

In article <9SEP92.18120432@meena.cc.uregina.ca> selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>Is there some software that will allow selection of memory resident
>and/or desk accessory files loaded into memory when booting (or which
>files not to be loaded)?

   Many of them:  Desk Manager 3.3, Superboot 7.x, Xboot, Mouse boot, and
others.  These all will let you select which ACC's and AUTO programs will
load up depending on which ones you want.  A couple will also let you
choose such things as which DESKTOP.INF/NEWDISK.INF will be used,
which GDOS ASSIGN.SYS files, etc.  You should be able to find most if not
all of these at atari.archive.umich.edu or some BBS's...

					Robert Anisko
					anisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com
					R.ANISKO
					Fnet 410

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: FTP Sites?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:50:53 GMT

In article 2250@wkuvx1.bitnet, easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet () writes:
>Does the ST have any good, fast IBM emulators written for it yet?
>I've heard of a few in the past, but I've also heard they run at
>snail's pace.  Do they run a little faster with more memory?  Are
>any programs like this available at the ST FTP site(s)?  Where ARE
>some ST FTP sites, anyway??   

By and large, all IBM emulators for the Atari run relatively slowly since
the 680x0 processor must do all the 80x86 translations.  That's a lot of
work, indeed.  About the best speed you could hope for is that of an 8MHz
80286 AT class machine.  Of course, a faster Atari will help but with the
el cheapo prices of PC clones nowadays, one has to wonder if the cost of
an IBM emulator is worth it when a complete clone may be even cheaper.
This is the primary reason you don't see many IBM emulators advertised now.

I don't know of any PD IBM emulators.

I've heard Atari.archive.umich.edu is a good ftp site although others may
have even better suggestions.
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From: pdel@ADS.COM (Peter Delevoryas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Nec3FGX w/ a 1040STe ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300

Someone a while back posted info about hooking up a multi-sync to an
ST. I copied the article, so I could actually try this myself, but he
went on to say that you had better know what you are doing or you
could fry your computer and monitor.
He also said that the scan rate of the monitor has to go down to 15.75
for ST Low-Rez, which I believe the NEC does not.

Since I don't know what I'm doing, I abandoned the experiment. 

Has anyone been able to hook up such a monitor to an ST ?

thanks, PD
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 In any other life: a cheap imitation
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:25:54 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:

>     But don't forget, a command-. would have canceled that dialog box
>so you wouldn't have had to reboot.

Ah, but of course!  Command-. why didn't I think of that logical keysequence :-)


--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:24:16 GMT

>> If this is true, then I'd like to know what Atari did to MiNT to do this.
>> MiNT only has a 10% CPU overhead at worst. Not many multi-tasking OS's can
>> do that well.
>
>Don't worry, it isn't true. I suspect that he was comparing apples and
>oranges. No doubt OS/2 on a 50 Mhz 486 is faster than MultiTOS on an 8 Mhz
>ST. But I suspect that given comparable hardware, MultiTOS is as fast or
>faster.

In my (somewhat limited, I've used multitos for only about 10 hours total) use 
of MultiTos as compared to OS/2 (which I've used more, but still no a lot), 
MultiTos is faster even on vastly "inferior" hardware (that is, slower 
processor, less ram, and a slower *rated* hard drive) that OS/2.
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|-! -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- And now a .sig sure to insult (or at least baffle) 95% of all computer users:

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From: plcdib@bristol.ac.uk (C D I Bertram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: prolog
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:08:44 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

Can anyone recommend a good public domain or shareware
implementation of Prolog for the ST?
Chris Bertram <C.Bertram@bristol.ac.uk>
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030 vs. Falcon040
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:38:41 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:

> With the price of a Falcon030 at $800, the best option is to buy an 030 as
> soon as possible, beef it up with whatever monitor, memory and harddisk you
> can afford, then upgrade to an 040 if needed later - you'll only be losing
> on the $800 - everything else would be re-usable on the 040 (one would assume

The only thing I just can't abide is that one-piece 1040 case (I'm currently
a Mega 2 guy).  If I'm happy with the MIDI software I see for the Falcon,
I'll likely buy one and stick it into a tower case.

> and who knows, you may find the 16MHz 030 quite sufficient - after all
> you've gotten along fine with a machine with one quarter of the abilities
> for some time now, probably without a blitter.

This is the thing to remember.  Even a 16MHz 030 is a real powerhouse.  The
world's finest MIDI sequencing software, Notator 3.1, runs superbly on an
8MHz 68000.  Even when you add digital audio recording, I can't imagine
16MHz 030 having any trouble with these kinds of applications at all.
 
> I've already bought my hard-disk for the Falcon (okay, so I lose a bit
> more, because I had to buy an ICD interface to use it for now on my ST),
> so only memory and monitor are concerns (I wish now that I'd bought a
> Multi-sync rather than my colour monitor!).

Luckily, I already have a 44Meg removeable SCSI drive, so I think I'm set
for basic operation.  Now all I'll need is a nice 1-Gig drive, and I'll be in
business for some serious audio recording/editing.

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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.fonts
Subject: Calligrapher (line_arc) font format
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:06:20 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus


Does anyone have docs on the format of line_arc outline fonts, as used by
Calligrapher on the ST?


-- 
+---------------------------------------------------+
| David Stevenson  djs@jet.uk   Tel: +44 235 465028 |
+---------------------------------------------------+
- Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not 
  be construed as an official comment from the JET project.
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PAULA 2.0 for STe/TT, not ST
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:53:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:

>     Don't get your hopes up about Paula 2.0.  It sounds like a cool program,
>but after printing out the documents,  I realized it's for Ste/TT owners only.
>Somethings that sound too good to be true sometimes are.   :(
>     Anything out there for a lowly ST user like myself that is in the same
>genre?  I tried mplay1_2.lzh, but it slows down all my MODS.  The only way
>to make them speed up is to go in and edit each one to adjust the speed.
>What a drag!  I also tried cdplayer.lzh (both  from Atari.archive), but I
>couldn't get it to run.  Anyone else with a similar problem?
>     Any more suggestions?  Maybe I should get a bigger CD collection,
>but that isn't as fun....
> 
>J.H                 c556212@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu


Most MOD players are made exclusively for STe/TT because they have DMA
stereo sound.  Solution?  Get an STe!  It's worth it!  :)

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Hard disk Defragmenters,  any suggestions?
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 14 Sep 1992 07:23:53 GMT
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <168608AD1.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
>     I have a friend with an IBM that swears by his H.D. defragmenter.  I
>think he uses every day (sometimes twice).  Says that it speeds up his
>read times.  Could this be true?  Is it a good idea to defragment my Hard
>Drive once in a while?
>     If so, where could I find a RELIABLE defragger?  I saw a.a has one,
>but it didn't mention hard disks in the description......
> 
>Thanks.    J.H.              c556212@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu


Try and find a copy of CHDSK3 on one of the FTP sites, its done by Atari,
but is only ment for developers, but I did see on 2 sites so far...


Roger..........sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: STZIP20.TOS
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:21:31 GMT

protonen@daimi.aau.dk (Lars J|dal) writes:

>sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>files it's great. So, I have tried to get it from A.A. But I can't read
>the atari/new directory, because it has permissions drwxrwx-wx.
>Does this means I'm not supposed to read from the atari/new directory,
>only upload to it? I have also tried the atari/archivers directory
>which I can read from without problems, but it only has stzip11.

>So, in summary: Am I supposed to be a little more patient, or is
>something wrong?

>Lars
>(protonen@daimi.aau.dk)

Doing a 'ls' in the new-directory never shows you anything, although the new
stuff *is* there (is that a 'permission'-thing?). But if you know that what
you're looking for is there (as with STZIP20.LZH), you *are* able to 'get' the
archive. So nothing's wrong and no patience needed.

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Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence