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From: tonyg@spock.retix.com (Tony "Salty Dog" Goulding)
Subject: House moving items for sale - LA area
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:32:39 GMT

Just a few items to sell...
None of the prices include shipping, etc.
Prices are negotiable.

1.	Young Chang Piano, black lacquer, < 1 year old, 
	immaculate, hardly played, with matching bench, 
	baby grand, $5,500 in liquid. sale (9K list)	$4,500
2.	Oversize blue-ish floral pattern chair (more 
	like the size of a love-seat, but it _is_ a 
	chair) with matching ottoman.  Excellent 
	condition, $400 new				$150
3.	Black wooden futon with red matress, excellent 
	condition 					$50
4.	Brown cloth love seat, good condition, 
	removable covers 				$50

Please call Cindy at (805) 492 - 2684

-- 
Tony [All views expressed are mine - if anyone is to blame its me]
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From: sanjiv@well.sf.ca.us (Sanjiv Garg)
Subject: MAZDA #@#SE FOR SALE
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:26:15 GMT



1989  M A Z D A  3 2 3 S E   F O R S A L E

	5 speed hatch back
	power assist steering
	split fold-down rear seats
	cut-pile carpeting
	52K miles
	excellent condition
	1.6 liter fuel injection engine

	asking:$5000  or offer

 Sanjiv  510 490-1371
From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 00:29:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

In article <1992Aug28.235744.10770@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>In article <29962@alfred.Teknowledge.COM> msadowsk@Teknowledge.COM (Mike Sadowski) writes:
>>In article <l9q6mpINN92d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
>>> Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
>>> the governor?
>>
>>I'd be much more interested in recall efforts directed toward the
>>majority leaders in the House and Senate.  Like, for example, Mr.
>>Brown.
>
>How about--the Governor *and* both majority and minority leaders in each
>house.
>

I'm mainly concerned about getting rid of Wilson...he's the one
in my opinion who's trying to gut education & social service 
budgets, while preserving all the tax breaks for his wealthier
constituents.

Bill

--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
Newsgroups: ca.news
From: jps@netcom.com (John Serafin)
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:54:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca

scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson) writes:

>In article <l9q6mpINN92d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
>>the governor?
>>

>Why not recall the whole darn State Legislature.

>There are alot more people to blame then just the Gov.

Pat Dillon, a columnist on the San Jose Mercury News is organizing a campaign
to recall Wilson, Brown, and Roberti.   To ask questions or comment,
call (408) 920-5080, or
fax  (408) 271-3660

>-- 
>Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)
-- 
John P. Serafin  |  Operating a bicycle is more like driving than riding.
jps@netcom.com   |  Operating an automobile is more like riding than driving.
From: trey@peregrine.peregrine.com (Trey Chapman)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:25:14 GMT
Reply-To: trey@peregrine (Trey Chapman)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Peregrine Systems, Inc.

In article <l9q6mpINN92d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
>the governor?
>Bill

I don't know about recalling the govenor, but we should impeach him and make
sure that EVERY house/senate member gets 0$'s from the time that the budget
was not in place until after it is signed into law. There should be 
ABSOLUTELY no back pay!!!!!
	-trey
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*************************************************************
Trey Chapman				trey@peregrine.com
1959 Palomar Oaks Way, Carlsbad, CA	(619) 431-2400 x145
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:57:44 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <29962@alfred.Teknowledge.COM> msadowsk@Teknowledge.COM (Mike Sadowski) writes:
>In article <l9q6mpINN92d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
>> Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
>> the governor?
>
>I'd be much more interested in recall efforts directed toward the
>majority leaders in the House and Senate.  Like, for example, Mr.
>Brown.

How about--the Governor *and* both majority and minority leaders in each
house.

in the meantime . . .  Anybody in the state can try to recall the
governor, but a reall of a legislator would probably have to be in his
district.  (Is anybody activiely trying to dis-elect either of the
Assembly leaders in November?)

	--Hal
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <l9q6mpINN92d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
>the governor?
>

Why not recall the whole darn State Legislature.

There are alot more people to blame then just the Gov.


-- 
Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)
From: msadowsk@Teknowledge.COM (Mike Sadowski)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Summary: Just who is the real culprit in the CA budget deadlock?
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:34:38 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division

In article <l9q6mpINN92d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
> Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
> the governor?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Bill
> 
> --
> Bill Michel			
> bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.

I'd be much more interested in recall efforts directed toward the
majority leaders in the House and Senate.  Like, for example, Mr.
Brown.

Mike 
----
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msadowsk@teknowledge.com
From: jeuck@unix.sri.com (Philip Jeuck)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Summary: Just who is the real culprit in the CA budget deadlock?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:32:51 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SRI International

In article <29962@alfred.Teknowledge.COM> msadowsk@Teknowledge.COM (Mike Sadowski) writes:
>I'd be much more interested in recall efforts directed toward the
>majority leaders in the House and Senate.  Like, for example, Mr.
>Brown.

>Mike 
>----
>Mike Sadowski                   Views expressed are mine alone.
>msadowsk@teknowledge.com

Pat Dillon, a San Jose Mercury News columnist, is leading a recall for all 
three.  According to his columns he has filed the necessary paperwork and 
now has to wait 7 days before starting to collect nearly 1 million 
signatures (for the governor).  Also, according to him, Brown is nearly 
urecallable since the district he was elected in was gerrymandered out of 
existance and the district he lives in now can not recall him since they 
didn't elect him.

Phil Jeuck
jeuck@unix.sri.com
Newsgroups: ca.news
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Recall Wilson?
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:02:47 GMT

In article <jeuck.24.0@unix.sri.com> jeuck@unix.sri.com (Philip Jeuck) writes:
>In article <29962@alfred.Teknowledge.COM> msadowsk@Teknowledge.COM (Mike Sadowski) writes:
>>I'd be much more interested in recall efforts directed toward the
>>majority leaders in the House and Senate.  Like, for example, Mr.
>>Brown.
>
>Pat Dillon, a San Jose Mercury News columnist, is leading a recall for all 
>three.  According to his columns he has filed the necessary paperwork and 
>now has to wait 7 days before starting to collect nearly 1 million 
>signatures (for the governor).  Also, according to him, Brown is nearly 
>urecallable since the district he was elected in was gerrymandered out of 
>existance and the district he lives in now can not recall him since they 
>didn't elect him.

Apparently, you can't recall someone within their last 6 months in
office.  Since Brown (and the Assembly Minority leader--Maddy?) are up
for re-election in Novmeber, they fall within the time limit. 

One could, of course, donate to whoever is running against them . . .

	--Hal
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: ca.news
Subject: Recall Wilson?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:11:37 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

Can anyone tell me if there are any efforts underway to recall
the governor?

TIA

Bill

--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: Cobb Mt. to be LOGGED!
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:32:52 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Nevada City just witnessed a similar logging/raping operation brought to
you by the lovely CDF. There are so many private land timber plans being
submitted at the moment that these folks are basically rubber-stamping
everything that crosses their desk. The reason for this is probably
because greedy and ethics-deprived landowners know that once Clinton/Gore
are elected, the logging zeitgeist in this country is going to dramatically
shift to more conservative land use.

Your only hope is to throw everything you have at them. First, organize.
Then contact lots of lawyers, find someone who is willing to go to bat
for you. Start filing for extensions to the plan. Contact the CDF, fax
them letters, call them, visit their offices, make it so they can't get
any other work done. Blanket your community with leaflets. Organize
protests, and get the media involved. We did all of these things, but
after a few extensions the logs fell anyway. If this happens to you,
the next step is to get your county supervisors to ammend their general
plan so that all future logging operations must be approved by the
county gov't. Then elect supervisors who are sympathetic to your views
so this won't happen again.

The main thing is, it's time to lay down the gauntlet. This will polarize
your community, but denial is no option either. Those of us believe that
the western forests are disappearing at an alarming rate must act now.
For those of you who don't, take an airplane ride up the coast. Look
down at the destruction. Then we'll talk.

								MPA
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Diapers and Baby's
Keywords: the BOTTOM line
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:11:06 GMT
Distribution: ca

Hello out there.
I apologize if this has come up before, but
I am having a baby, or rather my wife is, at
the end of this month and we are trying to make
the diaper decision.  
	From the things I have read
it seems like there really isn't any consensus.
Although most of the information that is pro-disposable 
comes from the diaper companies.  However, I'm 
not sure that the things I have read about cloth
diapers are any more reliable.  Intuition says that
cloth diapers would be more environmentally sound,
but intuition also had a lot of people thinking that
the world was flat for a long time.
	What I would like to know is if any one
has any reliable information, or references on cloth vs
disposable diapers.  Also, if anyone wants to add their own
thoughts just e-mail me and I will post a review.
Thanks in advance,
tod

	


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Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   | 
Newsgroups: ca.environment
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: Diapers and Baby's
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 17:46:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ca

In article <26036@dog.ee.lbl.gov> b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) writes:
>frankm@resonex.com (Frank Muennemann) writes:
>| There IS a consensus: Paper diapers ARE a major component of
>| landfill bulk.
>About 2%.  That doesn't mean we should ignore it, but calling
>it "major" is probably misleading.

Correct.  The Sunday Newspaper accounts for about ten times that percentage
of landfill space.

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sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
Newsgroups: ca.environment
From: jesperse@nas.nasa.gov (Dennis Jespersen)
Subject: Re: Private ownership of resources: not a panacea
Organization: Computational Fluid Dynamics Branch, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:22:56
Distribution: ca

>>>>> On 4 Sep 92 05:54:35 GMT, asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) said:

>> : For much more information on this subject, I heartily recommend Colin
>> : Clark's book "Mathematical Bioeconomics".  My example is essentially
>> : borrowed from the introduction to (the first edition of) that book.
>> No disrespect intended, but I'd be heartily suspect of any source which 
>> very likely has a political agenda and starts off with fantasy scenarios
>> to prove its points.
Please take a look at this book before claiming it has a political
agenda.  You are very wrong about that.

>> Fantasy scenarios can be invented to prove anything.  I love how folks
>> who are anti-property rights like to come up with "desert island"
>> scenarios, where ONE person owns EVERY damn thing, some poor sap washes 
>> up on this island, then must either be a slave or die, possibly both.  
>> Therefore, property rights should not exist.
No one said that -- don't try to use the old straw man debating
tactic.  The point was that some people seem to think private
ownership of all resources will automatically solve all problems
related to conservation, but there is no simple solution.
--
Dennis Jespersen                Voice: (415) 604-6742                      
MS 202A-1		        FAX:   (415) 604-1095                      
NASA Ames Research Center       email: jesperse@rft28.nas.nasa.gov         
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000    We have met the enemy and he is us. -- Pogo
From: frankm@resonex.com (Frank Muennemann)
Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Re: Diapers and Baby's
Keywords: the BOTTOM line
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:51:48 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <37536@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow) writes:
>                      ... we are trying to make
>the diaper decision...
>	From the things I have read
>it seems like there really isn't any consensus.
>Although most of the information that is pro-disposable 
>comes from the diaper companies...

There IS a consensus: Paper diapers ARE a major component of
landfill bulk.  If you kid has gastrointestinal infections,
the microbes wind up being stored in/near the landfill.
They are NOT environmentally sound.  If you care about the 
environment, call your local diaper service and ask them for 
their literature.

The disposable makers say you should remove the liner from the
plastic cover and flush it so that human waste doesn't enter
the landfill and spread disease: I've NEVER heard of ANYONE
doing that!

My wife and I have raised two boys using cloth diapers almost
exclusively (the younger one is just at the threshold of being
reliably potty-trained).  We use paper diapers when we go on multi-day
trips, and keep some around in case we run out of cloth diapers.

Cloth diapers are somewhat more hassle to put on than paper
ones, and you do have to remember each week to put the soiled
diapers out and retrieve the clean ones.  The extra effort to
put cloth diapers on is less work than separating bottles, cans
and other recyclables for curbside pickup.  Cloth diapers are a bit 
cheaper if you go with a diaper service, and MUCH cheaper if
you wash them yourself.  I suspect that the diaper service does
a better job of washing the soiled diapers with less water than
you're likely to do at home.

I suggest you try out the 'diaper wraps' the diaper services offer.
These are a "replacement" for plastic/vinyl pants with quick-
closing velcro.  They work out well for some kids and not for
others.  My kids love playing in dirt and other "active"
activities so much that the vinyl pants work out better for us.

The whole disposable diaper story makes me a bit sick to my
stomach.  Disposables are definitely a boon when you're travelling,
but why does our society buy into the "use-it-once-and-landfill-it"
mentality that the Kleenex people invented to create a perpetual
market for themselves?  The product is fine for occasional use,
but to rely on them exclusively makes less sense than eating
from paper plates and pastic 'silver'ware every day.
Newsgroups: ca.environment,sci.engr.mech,rec.autos.tech
From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Subject: EV conversion
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:29:39 GMT


     OK, here's a press release from one of the smaller manufacturers.  I don't
endorse or otherwise recommend this product, but what they hey, it's mostly
informative.

-- Chris Yoder                  Internet --- Chris@HMCVAX.Claremont.Edu
     VMS Systems Manager
     Harvey Mudd College        Bitnet ----- Chris@HMCVAX.Bitnet

B.A.T. Technology Announces

PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: July 29, 1992

CONTACT: Joseph La Stella, P.E.(800) 255-0906 or (801) 977-0906

OCTOBER ASSOCIATES ANNOUNCES ASSEMBLY-LINE PRODUCTION BY ITS SUBSIDIARY, B.A.T.
TECHNOLOGY, OF ELECTRIC-POWERED FORD RANGER TRUCKS

 SALT LAKE CITY, UT OCTOBER ASSOCIATES, OTC Bulletin Board (Symbol:
  30CTB),based in West Valley, UT with operations in Oregon and  several sites
  in Utah, today announces assembly-line production by its subsidiary, B.A.T.
  Technology,  Inc. (B.A.T.), 0f electric-powered Ford Ranger trucks.
  Production will begin at the  company's Springville, UT, facility in October
  1992. As a special introductory offer, the first 25 Ford Ranger electric
  vehicles will be priced at $22,900.

 IN ITS FIRST PRODUCTION YEAR, B.A.T. will chassis-retrofit to electric-power
  up to 500 new ranger trucks, which are fully warranted by Ford, except for
  the  electric motor and controller, which are respectively warranted by their
  manufacturers,  and the batteries which is warranted by B.A.T.

 THE BAT WARRANTY IS CALLED "l00 PLUS 10O" a 100,000-mile warranty on  the
  Ultra Force Battery and a 100-plus-mile driving range per charge, with some 
  limited restrictions. "B.A.T. Technology, Inc. is very much aware that
  prospective buyers of electric vehicles are naturally concerned about battery
  performance and warranties," according to Joseph La Stella, P.E., consultant.
  "Therefore, as an additional protection for the  purchaser, B.A.T. will
  escrow for three years, in the name of the purchaser the cost of a 
  battery-replacement set. The company's warranty is not only remarkable, based
  on its longevity, but the Ultra Force warranty has to be the most bankable
  pledge within the industry."

 TO KICK OFF ITS INITIAL ELECTRIC-VEHICLE PRODUCTION THIS FALL, B.A.T. is
  sponsoring, on September 12, 1992, the Utah electric car  "World Challenge,"
  the longest electric vehicle race ever attempted, with a $25,000 award to the 
  first-place finisher. Competitors will drive non-stop from Salt Lake City to
  Wendover, Nevada and return for a distance of 240 miles without recharging.

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Newsgroups: ca.environment
Subject: Cobb Mr. to be LOGGED!
From: prusso@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:28:48 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I live in Lake County, specifically, Cobb Mountain.  My neighbors and 
I have recently found out about a logging project to take place on 
over 600 acres on Cobb Mountain.  This area is in direct view of many 
homes and roads in Cobb Mountain.  The project will eliminate all 
evergreens 20" and larger in diameter which will result in a loss of 
90 percent of the evergreens and 45 percent of deciduous trees such 
as oak, dogwood, and madrone.  This area has been classified as a 
conservation area by the County of Lake but it seems the sole 
authority for logging projects is the CDF (California Department of 
Forestry).  I understand that the likelyhood of the CDF approving the 
loggin project, filed under the guidelines of the Timber Harvest 
Plan, is probably a certainty. The devistation to this pristine 
environment will be extensive, effecting watershed, animal and plant 
life.  The land is privately owned and it  has just been revealed that 
there are several other land owners who desire to log their property 
which will result in almost 90 percent of the Mountain threatened 
with being logged.  Needless to say our, the residents of Cobb 
Mountain, concerns and fears of loosing yet another precious 
untouched environment in California are about to come true.  I am 
posting in this newsgroup out of desperation and hope someone can 
offer some contructive direction and advice for fighting this action.
I work at Sonoma State University, my telephone number is 707 664-2636,
my home phone is 707 928-5128.  Please assist or advise as soon as 
possible.  The Timber Harvest Plan was filed yesterday and if 
approved logging will begin at the end of 30 days.