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From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: Right Hand Turns
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:58:50 GMT

This discussion of right hand turns when there is a line of cars going
straight brings to mind a series of incidents at the corner of Meridian
Avenue Southbound and Fruitdale Avenue in San Jose. 

For years there was a white line on the right side of the right hand
traffic lane, leading to a short right turn lane. The white line defined
a car wide shoulder, and indeed most drivers turning right would zoom up
the right hand side to pass the long line of cars waiting for the light
to change so they could avoid waiting to turn right.

One day, yours truly is about to follow three cages up the shoulder when
he feels a slight perturbation in the force up ahead.  He waits in
traffic, and discovers a passel of SJPD around the corner handing out
green stamps to all and sundry who are performing the right shoulder
shuffle.

Every so often the cops would come back and enforce the no-fly zone at
that intersection, until ... one day ... lo and behold ... as if by
magic ... a road crew came out and obliterated the white line!  

Now cars go down the side, the cops bust crack houses, and everybody is
happy.  (Except the crack houses, presumably.)

My own _guess_ is that somebody important got caught at that corner and
used some influence to get the shoulder restriped (actually, unstriped.)
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From: paulos@roma.berkeley.edu (Eric Paulos)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Int. Moto. Show
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:47:41 GMT
Reply-To: paulos@roma.berkeley.edu (Eric Paulos)
Distribution: ba
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley

In article <C0F9Hr.91w@cgl.ucsf.edu>, friedman@cgl.ucsf.edu (Simon
friedman) writes:
|> Just thought I'd let people know, the International Motorcycle Show is going
|> to be in San Francisco at the Cow Palace this coming weekend.  Didn't see
|> too much publicity for it.
|> This is what I know (for further info.,call the CP box office):
|> 
|> Int. Moto. Show
|>         Friday 1/8  5-10pm?
|>         Sat.   1/9 11-?
|>         Sun.   1/10 ????
|> 
|>         Cost: Adults 6.50$
|> 


Does anyone know if the show includes old European motorcycles for sale.
Also old
European bike parts, manuals, and literature?  Specifically, is this
only a show of new
bikes and accesories?


-Eric Paulos           (paulos@robotics.berkeley.edu)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:06:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.070427.25856@leland.Stanford.EDU> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
}That's why parts are hard to find and expensive, too.  Shop
}that keep enough parts in stock to have a good chance of
}being able to sell you what you need off the shelf wind up
}with so many older, unsold parts that too much of their
}capital is tied up and not making money.  

I agree completely, but also think that there may be another problem.
The *shop* may have the part in-house, but the *storefront* may not
want to sell it to you because of what Chuck says above -- they want
to keep what few parts they have for their infinitely more profitable
shop operation. Or if they will sell it to you, they mark it up to
the sky to get the money that way.

As an example, I went to Grand Prix one day to get (don't know the
name of this) a replacement for a clamp that holds the rubber cap on
the vertical tube coming out of each carb on the Maxim. The shop was
closed that day, and the moment I held up one of the other clamps I
had removed as an example the guy behind the counter said, "We don't
have that part." As if he were clairvoyant or something. 
							 
"That's OK, I really need to get the bike running this morning. A
 small band clamp or anything similar will do."

"We don't carry any clamps."

"You have a repair shop here and you don't stock *any* clamps of any kind?"

"No, we don't have any clamps. Sorry."

So I went two doors down to an auto parts place and bought their smallest
band clamp; worked like a charm. I can't believe after that intro to
Grand Pricks that I was stupid enough to go back months later and try to
buy a bike from them. But I am also VERY glad I didn't get it -- I really
love the Hawk!
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: behram@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Insurance Recommendations
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:32:11 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu


HI ! Well, it's that time of year for me to start thinking about insurance...
(egad) ANY recommendations at all on really CHEAP full coverage ? Is this 
unrealistic ? Please !?! I'm on an FJ12 so it would have to be someone/thing 
that doesn't discriminate :-) 
I'm already paying ~$600/year (everything except towing) with about $200 
deductibles. However, I don't get a two vehicle discount ! If anybody could 
gimme some numbers of agents who aren't goofs and/or gougers, I, and probably 
the whole net comm., would appreciate. Thanks.
Behram
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: sumaln@ntmtv.UUCP (Navreet Sumal)
Subject: Re: Re: Where are the NSF Rider safety courses ?
Originator: sumaln@nmtvs259
Reply-To: sumaln@ntmtv.UUCP (Navreet Sumal)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:24:04 GMT


danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.204917.19514@src.dec.com> jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias) writes:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'm a novice rider and would like to take the NSF's rider safety course.  Anyone
>>know where/when these courses are given around the bay area?  
>
>Jim, to find the MSF course closest to you just call the CA toll-free number:
>
>	1-800-CC-RIDER
>
>YES, take the course!  I took it with ~30,000 miles of experience under my
>belt as a refresher after a long layoff.  I not only got back on track again
>with my old skills, but added a lot of stuff I had never learned before.
>
>In addition, it should give you a rate cut on your insurance - mine gave me
>a 15% reduction in rates for taking the course.
>
>BTW-if you own a Honda, join the Honda Rider's Club - costs about $35 dollars
>per year, but they will reimburse the cost of the MSF course after you pass
>it.  Since most places charge $100-$150 for the beginner's course, this is
>a significant savings.


How can I join the Honda Rider's Club?  I just bought a
used Nighthawk 650 and am taking the MSF course starting
Wed Jan 6 '93.  Any info/phone #'s will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
-Reet

P.S. Jim - I think that there is still space in the MTVW
course (cost $120).  It's offered again in early Feb.

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From: ausman@ocf.berkeley.edu (James Ausman)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: where to get tires balanced
Date: 11 Jan 1993 05:30:21 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu

Jim Ausman
-- 
	Where there is a lower class I am in it.  Where there is a criminal
	element I am of it.  Where there is a soul in prison I am not free.
					-E.V. Debs
From: friedman@cgl.ucsf.edu (Simon friedman)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Int. Moto. Show
Date: 6 Jan 93 07:44:15 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF
Originator: friedman@socrates.ucsf.edu

Just thought I'd let people know, the International Motorcycle Show is going
to be in San Francisco at the Cow Palace this coming weekend.  Didn't see
too much publicity for it.
This is what I know (for further info.,call the CP box office):

Int. Moto. Show
        Friday 1/8  5-10pm?
        Sat.   1/9 11-?
        Sun.   1/10 ????

        Cost: Adults 6.50$

There is also a race being held in conjunction which costs extra.

Have fun,
Simon
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't I do better on insurance?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 04:10:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

State Farm was a bit cheaper than the McGraw Insurance that specializes
in motorcycles for my Hawk GT.  Worse yet, McGraw was giving me 5/10/5
coverage whereas I get something on the order of 100+ coverage with State
Farm.  I think I'm paying about the same as you, but I don't have the
figures handy.

What I do know is that State Farm's ignorance of motorcycles can be
to your advantage.  McGraw Insurance listed rates of over 1000/yr for
a CBR600 (pre-Goof2) whereas State Farm just asks for the cc's and
would insure it for less than my 650 Hawk (< 400/yr).

				...jim
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Can't I do better on insurance?
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:54:39 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

>'91 Honda Hawk GT (647cc, to be exact):
>100/300/25 Liability + Comprehensive (i.e., full coverage)
>$500 deductibles
>Annual premium == $388

>Pertinent facts:
>I have been with State Farm for 16 years, ever since I got my license.
>I have been driving for over their 14 year cutoff for better rates.
>I have no tickets.
>I have never had an accident or filed a claim.
>I am over 30 and married.

Well your rates should be less than mine, as I've got a '91 CBR600F2,
lower deductables, more coverages, a few tickets, and I'm not married.
Yet I pay $210 for all this, also thru State Farm.  I've long maintained
that it's pretty much up to the whim of the agent what you get charged.
For instance, I pay more to insure my '88 XT350!  I've got my bikes
classified as "under 3500 miles" yearly, I think this helps.

But don't give State Farm my name, 'cause I've sure their solution
would be to raise my rates rather than lower yours!  (Seriously)

Paul
-- 
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:40:17 GMT

Paul Thompson comments about Chuck's Yamaha Grand Prix tale of woe:

> I've never had them do any service for me, but I can't stand that
> place just from trying to buy parts there.  I went there the other
> day to buy a clutch lever for a late model dual purpose bike, and
> they said they didn't stock it, and they'd have to special order
> it! 

I've never bought anything at Yamaha Grand Prix, but just walking in
there makes my skin crawl.  I don't know what it is about the atmosphere
in dealers but Yamaha Grand Prix just ooozes slime.

I've also head nothing but negative comments via word-of-mouth -- I
woulnd't take a bike there if I was running on half a cylinder and
no oil (I'd go to the Kawasaki dealer across the street. :)

If you can trek all the way north, check out Yamaha San Mateo.  They've
always been really nice to me (well, it helps that I bought my RZ there),
and thier mechanic seem to really have it on the ball.

At the very least, get a written estimate of the repairs at Grand Prix
and then take the bike to Cycle City (San Antonio Rd., Mt View), and
to Yamaha San Mateo if you can deal with the distance.  Just see what
they have to say.



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writer of trifles in shadows and blood
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From: danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Where are the NSF Rider safety courses ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:19:48 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morc.asd.sgi.com

In article <1993Jan4.204917.19514@src.dec.com> jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm a novice rider and would like to take the NSF's rider safety course.  Anyone
>know where/when these courses are given around the bay area?  

Jim, to find the MSF course closest to you just call the CA toll-free number:

	1-800-CC-RIDER

YES, take the course!  I took it with ~30,000 miles of experience under my
belt as a refresher after a long layoff.  I not only got back on track again
with my old skills, but added a lot of stuff I had never learned before.

In addition, it should give you a rate cut on your insurance - mine gave me
a 15% reduction in rates for taking the course.

BTW-if you own a Honda, join the Honda Rider's Club - costs about $35 dollars
per year, but they will reimburse the cost of the MSF course after you pass
it.  Since most places charge $100-$150 for the beginner's course, this is
a significant savings.
-- 
-----------------------+------------------------+------------------------------
Dana Crom    DoD #0679 | Silicon Graphics, Inc. |  Smile - let them *WONDER* 
danac@morc.asd.sgi.com | (415) 390-1449         |  what you've been up to . . .
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: question about out-of-state licenses
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com (C J Silverio)
Organization: SGI TechPubs

---
A friend who recently moved to CA from Pennsylvania has a
question about getting his CA motorcycle license.  He has 
net access, but can't read ba.* groups, so I'm posting for him.

Here are the salient facts:

He's under 21.  
He passed the MSF course in Penn.  
He's had his Penn license for nearly 2 years.  
Calif. riders under 21 have to pass the MSF course to get their 
    licenses.  
His initial call to the DMV got him the information that he has 
    to retake the MSF course, in CA this time, to get his CA license.

His question:
Does he *really* have to retake the MSF course?  Can't he just
take the written test & get his picture taken to get his CA
license, just like he would for his cager license?  He thinks he
might have gotten incorrect info from the DMV on his call,
because this is probably a situation they don't deal with often.

I sent him to his local library to look up the CA vehicle code,
but thought you guys might have a quicker answer for him.

---
C J Silverio  cj@sgi.com  ceej@well.sf.ca.us  '92 Seca II  DoD #0526
"A motorcyclist has to drive as if everybody else on the road is out 
to kill him.  A few of them are, and many of those who aren't are just 
as dangerous-- because the only thing that can alter their careless, 
ingrained driving habits is a threat of punishment, either legal or 
physical, and there is nothing about a motorcycle to threaten any
man in a car."  Hunter Thompson
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves (Was: Re: Attn all riders!!!)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:15:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman) says:
>  > Paul is our local bike evangelist - too involved in pushing bikes to
>                                                        ^^^^^^^
> 
> The image I get is probably not the one you meant :-).  In any case I wasn't
> doubting the advice, just curious.

The cold wintry night Dana was referring to involves several Hondas,
several dead batteries, and repeated use of my bump-starting expertise.
The BMW, of course, fired first shot, as always :-)

As far as the BMW GoreTex suit goes, it stayed dry after 10 hours of
rain and high winds in Utah one day. How much rain? Well, I had to wait
15 minutes at one point while they bulldozed the mud off the highway.
The suit is better at keeping out rain than ANY rain suit I've ever owned.
It's a pity it costs more than many small motorcycles :-(

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Problem with Grand Prix Maintenance Shop
Keywords: grand prix maintainance fraud
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:36:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.013650.20656@wdl.loral.com>
csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj) writes:
> I took my newly acquired Yamaha FJ-1100 into Grand Prix on El Camino...
> This is the first bike that I have owned, so ...

Yipes! Does this sound like it could be trouble to anyone else out
there? Which is it: Are you in deep doodoo, or have you had some
seriously generous extra-bike-endowed friends?

	-- Robert

Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: mgsmith@hpl.hp.com (Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: does this count as lane splitting?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:20:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

>   If one is in the rightmost lane, and one wants to turn right, but all
>   the cars ahead of you are going straight, how legal is it to zip up
>   on the right side between the cars and the sidewalk to get up to the
>   front so one can turn right?

Cool way to get squished!  How do you know that the cars are not
going to turn right?  You should certainly never depend on a cars
turn signals.  Of course this doesn't mean that I never do it.  It
just means that you better watch out.

Mike Smith
HP Labs
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Insurance Recommendations
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:54:13 GMT

-
     I've been saving articles on various topics, and naturally, one of them
is insurance.  Here's my collection.  Sorry about the raw formatting, but I
just haven't had time to clean things up.

							George




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From: jamesf@btr.btr.com (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Insurance quest results
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:32:14 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

First, thanx to everyone who responded to my post. Of the ones I called
today, here are the results:

Jack Flesher of State Farm hasn't returned my call yet, but a Palo Alto
   State Farm quoted me $154/6 months for 25/50/25 coverage on the
   Cagiva for liability *and* COmprehensive & Collision. Yes, $154.
   And that includes a one time $17 membership fee. Whee!

Paul Woodson Insurance: With a 20% transfer discount, and a 10% Safety
   Course discount, a 15/30/15 policy was $298 for the abovestated
   coverage, plus $100 for uninsured motorists. Plus $20 processing
   fee. Plus $30 processing fee for an additional policy if I wanted
   additional coverage beyond 15/30/15. I didn't bother finding out 
   how much the extra coverage would cost.

McGraw (of menlo park): 15/30/15, full coverage, was $413/year.
   Uninsured motorists was $225. Ouch!

I'll be calling one or two more tomorrow, and if the reults are worth
posting, I'll do so. But it looks like State Farm will give me the best 
rate. Being the full coverage is only $49 more (105 for only liability) I 
will probably splurge to promote peace of mind. I know, unemployed people
shouldn't splurge. 

jim
 


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From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance for my new ride
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:58:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <ZOWIE.92Oct12161502@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>
>I used to do insurance through McGraw, since they're easy to find, and
>have reasonable rates.  They're *not* the cheapest in town.  I've since
>switched to State Farm.

I ended up going with State Farm. $137/6mos for 25/50 coverage, uninsured
motorists for both physical and property damage, and comprhensive & 
collision. Noone else even came close. I did call another net.recommended
place, Leigh, first name Arturo, or Alfonso, something like that. He was
about the same as all the other non hugely-corporate places. I am 27 & single.
There is also a bracket at 28, and the non corporates said their price would
half when I turned 28.

jim

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From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Insurance recommendation
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:07:14 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Recommendation:

   * Talk to State Farm about insuring your motorcycle

Reasons:

   * My 1989 CBR600F cost $220 per year to insure, with theft
     and collision ($500 deductible).  At Allstate, I was paying
     close to $600.

   * My new 1993 CBR600F2 is going to cost $300 per year to insure,
     with theft and collision ($500 deductible).  I shudder to 
     think what Allstate would have wanted.

Caveats (important):

   * Single male, 28 years old.

   * No tickets or accidents.

   * You MUST insure a car with them!  They will not do a bike without a car
     on the policy.  However, their auto rates were much cheaper than what
     I was paying at Allstate, so I had no problem switching.

   * I have not had any claims with State Farm, so I don't know (a) how
     well they handle them, or (b) what they will do to your rates.

As always, your mileage may vary.

-rob.
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