HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie)
Subject: CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo, JAPAN
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:50:50 GMT

CSS in the U.S.A are losing a historic chance for China as well as
for themselves although they maybe reap some profits in short eyes.
The reason is simple and obvious: historically, Chinese dislike
those who take advantages by harming others.
Unfortunately, most CSS in USA are doing so, at least from
CSS's eyes in Japan.
The following is the images given by the CSS in USA:
------They claimed loudly for the democracy and human rights of Chinese people,
but in fact what they are begging Uncle Sam to protect are themselves
(see Protection Bill ).
------They claimed loudly for the democracy and human rights of Chinese people,
but in fact what they are begging Uncle Sam to do brings harm to
those kind people inside China (see Bill lobbying for CMFC).
------They have not shown any action on what they should do, for example, 
***********to protest USA's sell of F16's to Taiwan, which is 
very dangerous to the Chinese people both in mainland China and in Taiwan;
***********to help those poor kids in China to get basic education;
*********** .......

In contrast, recent years the CSS in Japan are impressive for their talent 
and hard working. It is reported that in the recent two years,
among the CSS who came back to China to serve their people,
the members from Japan are more than 40 percent of the total numbers,
and they have brought many business chances to China. 

In conclusion, the CSS in USA are going far away from China.
When people inside China know what happened in this Net.
they maybe give a more surprising answer than I.


--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:20:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.015535.3263@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.234232.5002@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.223323.16998@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu  
>>( ) writes:
>>> Dear all,
>>> [section deleted]
>>> And if you are one of the perspective benefitees, do you dare say you will
>>> truly be 'persecuted' if you went back, while most of you probably never
>>> laid a finger on the 6/4 movement?  Isn't this what is called the repugnant
>>> "jian4-fen1-shi3-duo4"?  But then, of course, we are not saints.  I probably
>>> would do the same thing, if i were in the shoes.
>>
>>
>>I am not a beneficiary. But I want to point out that unless you keep your mouth  
>>shut, live like a cold-blooded turtle and forget about politics and the future  
>>of your country, you would sooner or later be procecuted or at least feel being  
>>prosecuted. So, as many people pointed out, it depends on how you interpret  
>>"living" in China. There are some people who fall into non-reversible coma.  
>>They still "live" in this world. Do you call it "living"?
>>
>>Carl
>
>I agree with what you say Carl, but the situation is no different than 
>before these people came to the States, and it's still the same for 
>everybody else in China. That's just the way China is. And if someone is
>really interested in seeing democracy come to China, they're gonna have 
>to go there and help change things. OK, most people don't want to sacrifice
>their lives, and that's perfectly understandable. There's nothing wrong
>with wanting a green card.
>
>The problem is this: the people arguing for the bill are saying, "I am
 ===================
>so commited to seeing democracy in China that if I went back, I just
>couldn't keep from fighting for it, and I'd be persecuted." But these
>same people, once they get their green cards, I predict, will no longer 
                                               ===========
>be so dedicated to democracy in China. It may a hobby or a wish, but no 
>longer this unsurpressable urge. *If* my prediction is right, don't you
                                   ===========================
>see a real contradiction there?
>
>Mark
>
>

The problem you pointed out is a problem only when your prediction is right.
And a prediction is just a prediction. (The big "*If*" didn't show you are 
totally  confident on it.)  Please don't build up you arguements on
your prediction, otherwise, I predict, ........... you know what I mean.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:25:50 GMT

In article <97891@bu.edu> lix@congo.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
> In article <Bvrnn8.5tq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  
(xiao-lin li) writes:
> > (deleted)
> <I assume Yue Fei is a Christian. Juses once said: "Drink it, it is my
> <blood, ... eat it, it is my flesh ...."
> 
> That is quite a possibility. Christian was introduced into China in Tang  
dynasty,
> it was called "Jin (Jesus) Jiao (Religion)". But in Henan of North-Song,  
Jewish
> religion seems surpassing Christian.
> -- 

Yue Fei might be a communist, who knows? Maybe communism was not introduced  
into China but exported to Eurpoe. Knowing this, it is not so strange to know  
the CCP is still trying hard to keep China as a last base of communism. They do  
it to keep our tradition of everyone should have an fair even share.

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28194 soc.culture.hongkong:12776 soc.culture.taiwan:14559
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- Be Aware!
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:36:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.7816
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <44863@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.213624.6612@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@wind.UUCP writes:
>Clinton has won the election; everyone knows that.  But I certainly
>think the opinions of this group's readers are of interest (and all
>the people who have replied to my survey evidently think so too).
>

Wait a minute.  When did this happen?   Did I miss the Election?   :-)

Well, maybe Clinton is still leading in the polls, but you don't know the
end until the fat lady sings.  Not until after November 3 will you know who
really wins.   The polls are indications, but by no means conclusive.  
Otherwise, the candidates are not going to have the debates and road tours
and campaigns....  But statistics does show that usually it takes a miracle
for a candidate to win when he's trailing > 15 points in the polls at this
point of the Election year.  And judging from the debates, Clinton is really
getting a good grip.  What he does best was to show that he's a 'people'
kind of guy and his 'character' is not an issue.  

Meanwhile it's not absolutely impossible for Bush to come back.  He has his
achievements and experience to boost.  He has a lot of supporters.  But he's
got to have a solid plan for working out the economy problems and so far
he hasn't said much.  And I think Quale is still a very weak ticket under
Bush's belt.  I can't stand him in the VP debate.  He's like a little school
kid picking fights.  He may have said something of substantial importance,
but the attitudes and mannerism are just silly.

Ray


-- 
Raymond K. Wong                                 
E-mail: rkwst@unix.cis.pitt.edu, rkwst+@pitt.edu, rkw@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <BvrDvK.H0u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1992Oct7.125111.29182@ms.uky.edu> 
    <BvrHGC.L81@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:22:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:

>The first time I learnt about "Chinese heart" was from Zhang Minmin,
>the Hongkong singer. His heart was broken in 89, and we never hear
>from him anymore.

>Then there was Hou Dejian, the first time I met him was in 1982 at
>Columbia. A few days later, my Taiwanese friend told me he went
>back to mainland to look for his Chinese heart. He finally came back
>to Taiwan. Another broken heart.

Don't worry, as long as there are people with Chinese heart, China will
be there. Simply look back 5000 years of history.

>I guess the current Chinese heart is for money and stock. I don't
>see difference between the Chinese heart and American heart in this
>way.

Have you got a DUI ticket today? American won't pay tax to China, this
is the simple difference.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27369 soc.culture.japan:8696
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:33:15 GMT
    <1992Oct7.230134.19492@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>> Sounds to me that Mr. Carl trys to imply if Chinese did not fight against  
>Japan,
>> then today a united Japan (or China which name you like to use) would be...
>> you know...

>You are not clever enough. Give you another hint (some pupils usually are not  
	Oh, come on. Please tell me directly when US is going to unite China.
	I can not wait to hear. I don't like hint. Tell us what is the next
	chance. Maybe we can invite them before they decide to.
>intelligent enough and depend on others' hint to do homeworks). You might know  
>Qu1 Yuan2. Oh, you must know. He has been praised as the great patriot poet in  
>Chinese history. I remember there was a movie about this great poet QU. The  
>movie praised him so hard and it reminded me of some CCP propaganda (in fact,  
>the movie was made in Hongkang). Apperently, to some people include you, Mr.  
>Li, he was a great patriot who deserved whatever honors for his patriotism.  
>However, one thing that puzzle me for many years: if Qu had had realized his  
>glorious dream, then there would have been no China. Instead, there would have  
>been People's Republic of Qing2, Republic of Qi, Kingdom of Chu, United States  
>of Manchuria, United Islamic States of East Turkstan, etc. Think about this.  
>Don't get drowned in the ocean of history. If you really want to praise  
>somebody in the history, praise Wang Po and Pan1 Lin1lian2 please. At least  
>they were the front-runners and martyrs for the current women liberation.

>Carl

About those heros, the history has already showed us that their spirits are
living in people's mind. Because the spirit is so strong, no matter who tryed
to conquer China, it ended up that they became Chinese. I can not change this.
Maybe you are right. If Japan had won the war, there would be a bigger China.
You see: the dynasty can come and go. But the spirit does not.
Go to GOD please, learn something about spirit.
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:32:01 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli
Pan) writes:

|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.

May be that something went wrong was 30% education budget was spent evenly
among the students. Take ROC's living standard into consideration, the
tuition and fees for public and private universities is almost nothing.

Anyone who wants to go to college and passes the test can go.
No matter how poor you are, no matter what your background is red or black.

I am not saying it is not important to put money in a few star students
in some certain areas like China did.

Score high in math olympic is great but it is nothing but an award.
There are much more important things in life.


|> Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
|> that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
|> after his visiting. Maybe the 30% is spent to the people only know how
|> to put out a lot of lies and showing unbelievable ignorance. In that
|> case, even 100% won't help.

That is very strong accusation and uncalled for.
By saying this, you have offended everyone from the taiwan education system.
By saying this, you have clearly demostrated your own lies and unbelievable
ignorance.

Dr. Wu said taiwan is behind in basic research. He did not say taiwan
people lies or being ignorant.

In your case, just one more penny (oops, it should be RMB) would help.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:34:44 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Fax to Mr. Bush ...

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:55:49 EDT
> From: <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
> Subject:    Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...

> In this country, all people have to pay taxes and their government decide how
> o use the money. For example, free educations are free in some places. Should
> he kids in schools be charged to own tuition to other people whose kids are no
>  in school? NO! Money for eduction includes in part their tax. Families with k
> ds in school may get benefit in terms of education more than those who don't h
> ve kids in school. However, they may get less benefit for some other items, su
> h as pension, medical assistance, food stamps etc. It is FAIR enough, I think.
>     In China, people seem not to pay taxes. In fact, their low income is pay-a
> ter-taxed. Therefore, every person has his right to get benefit in education,
> edical care, ..., if they are qualified. IT IS FAIR. NO ONE OWNS THE OTHERS.
>     For this reason, I really suggest to pay people higher and collect tax fro
>  them (net income may be exactly the same). However, people, paying taxes, may
> be encouraged to speak out on how to spend their tax money.
>     Does this make sense, anyhow?

>   Yes, one of Chinese people.

          Seems to me it hasn't made any sense at all.

          The fact is that CG never has a concept of taxepayer.
          CCP said the party gave you job, wage,house,
          food, ... everything include your life.
          Without CCP, without you.

          I was wondering how chinese history lasted more than 5000
          years w/o CCP.

          If CCP adapts the concept of taxepayer, how will CCP
          survive? Does CCP have right to use the money?
          How will CCP manage its spanding? Collect Dang3 fee?

          Sure it's none of my bussiness. But CCP is spanding
          people's money.

          Your parents work so hard that they cann't afford your
          college education. If you want to study abroad, wait
          a minute, you have to pay your education if you
          have no direct relative abroad. It never makes sense.
          Anything to do with relatives?


          X Xu
From: Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:33:07 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <92286.134513WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>>>   Please be reminded
>>>   that ALL those Chinese students were sponsored by the Chinese government
>>>   when they were at colleges in China.
>>>
>>    GUESS WHERE THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT GOT THE MONEY TO SPONSOR THESE STUDENTS
>> FOR COLLEGE EDUCATION???
> 
>> No need to guess. From Chinese people, right?
>> So, those students owe Chinese people, OK?
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Who are Chinese people? Are these students and their parents not Chinese people
> ? If Chinese people had a higher gross income and were tax-payers, do you think
> it is fair to say these students own tuition to the government?
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^
  These students and their parents are Chinese people. But how many totally?
1 million? 2 millions? China has 1.1 billion people!  How many peasants and 
workers support a student? How much do they earn? 
  Chinese people has NO higher gross income and are NO tax-paxers, it IS fair
to say these students own tuition to the CHINESE PEOPLE. 
  Pay attention, I did NOT say "government"!
From: xu@prim.rose.utoronto.ca (Jiefeng Xu)
Subject: how to read previous message in s.c.c
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:43:19 GMT

Hi, netters!
I want to read the previous message in this group. But I don't know how to
access to them. Please advise. thanx.
xu@prim.rose.utoronto.ca
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Where Are 9201 Suctioners? Re: A statement on who paid for my effort
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:33:36 GMT

In article <2ADCDF64.25191@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com 
(Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>So far, all the 9201 effort is completely paid by myself.  I did not ask
>for any donation from our 9201 colleagues or the Chinese government or
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Would you tell SCC who they WERE and where they ARE NOW?

As far as I can remember, you once had several weird guys on your board:

Scott Horne - now is missing from SCC (may be busy in making Capitalist
              money as a Maoist :-)  Otherwise he could have helpped you
              in your blow job as VP of 9201 Suction :-)

S. R. Zhang - You classmate in Tsinghua, now missing from SCC (he argued
              with you even while he was on your 9201 board :-)

Chen Jian   - (The Australia one, the U.S. one is quiet on this issue :-)
               Seems having been keeping distance from you :-)

Zuo Z.Q.    - Still nutty on SCC, but keeps himself away from you :-)

A guy in Germany -  Also disappeared from SCC.

...  (May be you can count some sneaky supporters like Mr. Ding Y.J., your
      Donkey rider at OSU and et al., but I doubt, seems you have got 
      "Zhong4 Pan4 Qin1 Li2 le0" :-)

It looks like that you are Gunag1 Gan3 commander, but anyway, make correction
if you feel like to, otherwise you are just "wrapping yourself with red flag
as if it's a tiger skin/fur" (La1 Da4 Qi4, Zhuo4 Hu4 Pi4 :-)

Or, Wang Xiaofei has got an accurate Chinese Xie1 Hou4 Yu3 for you (see
his dot matrix Chinese posting yesterday on SCC):

Mu3 Lao3 Hu3 Dao4 Pa2 Shu4 --  Hu3 Bi1 Chao2 Tian1  :-0  :-)  :-)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Blood Card?
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:39:09 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <70965@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR SIGING WEI) writes:
> 
> It's been quite awhile since the thtle `blood card' or `blood carder' 
> is used. Strangly enough, those who accuse others `blood carder' are
> the same buntch (or group) who insisted earlier that `blood' had never
> happened!
> 
> Now, if only they could kindly explain to me, how could there be `blood
> carder' if there is no `blood'? 

  I used "blood card" in my article's title. I NEVER insisted that "blood"
had never happened. Now, what should I explain?
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Bush's "speech" in St Louis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:50:22 GMT

When Bush tried to attack Clinton during the debate, he said that he did not
like to accept those who "demonstrate to against their home country in the
foreign territoy".  Then, why did he default those Chinese students' 
screwing China activities in the US?

I will have my letter send to him before the 2nd debate (10/15).

shannon
-------
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: 9201 people will be more active
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:18:45 GMT

lix@bashful.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) wrote:


+In article <2AD8DD21.24977@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
+>(deleted)
+
+Well, I respect your freedom of speech and your courage to speak. However, please
+no one step more than that. If you have done something which may hurt a lot of people
+without discrimination, I suggest you apology in both news groups. It is quite

	apology for what?  the blood carders will get their blood cards, and
	those blood carders' true face bas been told to the general Chinese
	public by the 9201 people already.

+different to say something on SCC-land or to accuse people without evidence in
+a job-related newsgroup.

	actually, this is not the end of this fight.  

+I hate to do this, but I hope no one might be hurt. This is a friendly advice.

	thank you for your advice.  but you should know that i do not buy the 
	hammer head.  i am willing to play it on any possible ways.  if they
	play dirty, and if they think they are only smart people in this 
	world, then, watch.

shannon
-------

PS: and you know how deeply i love those blood carders.
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Read postscript file?
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:21:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct9.174722.56398@qut.edu.au> zhoub@qut.edu.au writes:
 > If there are some softwares which can be used to read the postscript file 
 > directly on PC or UNIX system?
 > Any help are appreciate.

Yes, I've used it on SGI machines. I believe it's also available on
IBM/RS6000.

Y.Duan
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:14:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <BvsA6C.LD3@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>People under rock are much better off than those under P.
>>The rock cares much more about education (30% budget goes to education).
>>
>Would you explain what does "rock" mean. I'm slightly confused about the
>whole paragraph. (China doesn't have 30% budget for education) Sometimes
>we see girl scouts selling cookies here. It shows that US doesn't have
>30% for education too.
>
Of course the P's doesn't care about education. Many US studied scholars
had to stay many years in labor/re-education camp to waste human resources.

According to ROC constitution, the education budget needs to share 30%
or so. Please surrend your tuition for this lecture to SOS education fund.:-)
ROC, isn't that pronounced rock?
From: zhoub@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Read postscript file?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:47:22 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

If there are some softwares which can be used to read the postscript file 
directly on PC or UNIX system?
Any help are appreciate.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:36:23 GMT

In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>English is the language of communication. 
>
>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.

Junk written in perfect English is still junk.

That is why people don't care much about the grammar.:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china