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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:00:14 GMT

>In article <2AD1F8DC.16785@ics.uci.edu>
>   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>>You have *labs* that bite?

In article <168798537.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>She never has, but when someone approaches the yard that she doesn't
>know, she appears to be just as protective as my GSD.
> 
>I don't want people to get the wrong impression about my dogs.  They
>are very well socialized, and never even the least bit aggressive
>(my kids, ages 5, 3.5, and 2 play in the backyard with them all
>them time - without us back there with them).
> 

	I have a problem with labs biting or being expected to bite.  Labs
are, or should be IMO, friendly dogs.  They shouldn't bite or attack.  They
may be protective and by that I mean bark at strangers or strange noises
but it should never go further than that.  

	Labs have been bred to be companions to hunters.  This entails a
calm, patient attitude, an instinct to retrieve, and a love for the company
of man.  Labs tend to be, and should be, happy-go-lucky, loveable, friendly
buddies.  Their instincts are not such that attacking is a part of their
nature.

	A lab that attacked and/or bit would be forever suspect in my mind.
I wouldn't trust it again. I don't have my dogs for protection animals and
therefore don't expect them to protect me.  If I wanted a protection dog, I
would get a german shepherd or a doberman.  

	My five year old bitch was rescued from the pound (after having
been in four homes and three pounds in her lifetime).  When we first got
her, we were pleased at how protective she was until my husband came home
late one night and she threw herself at the door barking and growling.
This was in the first week she was there.  She was so nervous and
uncomfortable and off-balance that her reactions were not normal.  I had to
go "call her off" before he could come in the house.  A year later, she is
the most mellow, most lab-like dog I can imagine and strangers have come up
to our house at 11pm and not illicted more than a bark or two.  Her
life had been so rotten that her true temperament was hidden by unusual
behaivor--I'm so glad that she has become herself now.  She's a delight!

	None of this is meant to condemn the remarks of *anyone* on the
list.  I can appreciate Chris's desire to feel protected in his home but
would suggest that he count on the GSD rather than the Lab for that.  These
are my OPINIONS, folks, and are not meant to be the Scripture according to
Liza.  Take them or leave them, but please respect them for what they
are--educated opinions.  

Cheers,

Liza Miller
  

	
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: puppy and cat -- should I be worried?
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:40:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamvm1.168807A0B.CBARNES
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <rasmussenc.41.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>
   rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
 
>there.  The problem is this:  K.C. lets Abbie jump on him, smoosh him to the
>ground and bite at him.  He swats at Abbie, but I don't think he EVER uses
>his claws.  We almost wonder if he's got a death wish.  We try to stop Abbie'
>s behaivor by shakes and NO!s, and K.C. gives us this 'Thank God' look, and
>then about 2 minutes later, saunters by Abbie with his tail flicking, just
>*asking* for a chase.  We're afraid that K.C. has no fear, and Abbie has no
>idea that she could hurt K.C.
>
 
My $0.02 worth:  *Don't* keep them seperated.  Since the pup is
mouthing (not biting) the cat, it's seems like this is just play
(and apparently the cat views it that way too).   Just keep up
the NO's and alpha roll the pup when necsassary (the best situation
would be if the dog thinks the cat is the dominate one, but that
might be hard to do....).  IMHO, it's easier to deal with this now
than it will be later.
 
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                        |
                        |  They were born on Thursday (Oct. 8).
                        |  She had 10 pups....5 male & 5 female
From: llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Chew toys
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:16:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

I took my cockers to the vet yesterday for some routine tests and was
asking him about rawhide bones, hooves, etc.  He said that dogs could
not really digest any of these chew toys.  He said he never recommended
the hooves because he has had to surgically remove portions from dogs.
I threw the ones we had away as soon as I got home.  He had no real
objection to the rawhide other than it might cause a dog to be
nauseous (sp?).  I did not even ask about pig's ears.  He said the
nylabones are fine, but admitted dogs like these the least of the
available chew-type toys.

Linda Mac (llmacdon@uci.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: glb@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Gina Bull)
Subject: The Next Dog
Originator: glb@gaia.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:01:11 GMT

Early last Thursday morning my 11-year-old Cocker Spaniel, Shelley,
died peacefully in her sleep.  Her kidneys just gradually failed.
My family is feeling her loss acutely. She was the first dog my
husband had ever had, and they had a very special relationship.
I called her "daddy's girl".

I thought my husband would want to wait a few months before getting
another dog, but he wants one soon.  He thinks he wants another
buff female Cocker Spaniel, just like Shelley.  One breeder that
I talked to thought that would be a bad idea, since the two dogs
would always be compared, and the new one would never "measure up"
to the previous one, even though it was a perfectly fine dog. I'm
inclined to agree with her.

I've located a 4 month old black-and-tan male Cocker that sounds
ideal personality-wise.  I think my husband would agree to this
dog, but I thought I'd ask for some "net wisdom" first.

Should we get a dog "just like" the one we had before, or deliberately
get one that is different in many respects (in this case, gender
and coat) in order to avoid comparisons?
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Neutering to reduce aggression?
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:29:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23907
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Sky Warrior writes:
>Neutering will definitely reduce aggression.  He will still be an Alpha in
>personality, but it will be toned down.  I highly recommend a book by
>Job Michael Evans called "People, Pooches, and Problems"  It has a whole
>chapter on dealing with aggressive dogs.

Neutering is another politically correct decision.

Sometimes it is medically correct.

Usually, you're looking at the wrong end of the dog.

Find a training method that works, and use it.  If your method can't
deal with the energy of an intact dog, change.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Dogs and backpacking
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:43:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Bvxroq.3E3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> imkg2726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ilana M. Kingsley) writes:
>I'm interested in taking my pooch backpacking with me, but he has never
>done this.  He's a 2 yr. old malamute/collie that I recently adopted, so until
>he learns to come when called he'll be on a leash.
 
If this is someones idea of a sick joke it's not very funny.


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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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From: jm6@ukc.ac.uk (J.Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: REAL FOOD is it worth it ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:52:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.



Hi

I have a request to ask all of you :

Have any of you fed your dogs this pre-packaged food for dogs but felt they did
not get on with it ie. allergy problems etc. so you changed to real food ie. 
human quality meat, fish etc. or even gone further to organic grade food ?
Or have you always feed your dog on 'proper' food ?
Did you have any problems getting the diet right ?
Please send me details of your good or bad experiences.

I am asking because I do not eat out of packets so I don't see why my dog
should, the cost is not important because food quality is the last thing I 
would cut back on if I felt it was better for the dog. I know the balance of
food types and the vitamin requirements are different but I can find out about
that and adjust it. Dogs have lived for a long time without packaged food so
they obviously don't need it and convenience is not a problem as far as I am
concerned, if it was I wouldn't get a dog.

I haven't got my dog yet but it will be a Alaskan Malamute if that makes a 
difference to your answer. I need to get prepared now as I lose my net access
in two months time.

If I get a lot of replies I won't be able to reply individually ( Last time I 
asked for help I spent about four hours a day for two weeks reading and 
replying to the very helpful people concerned, I was happy to do it but I can't
afford the time to do the same again ). So I thank you and apologise for my 
rudeness in advance.

JOHN
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:43:58 EST

In article <73257@apple.Apple.COM>, prw@Apple.COM (Paul Wenker) writes:

My new one for my golden retriever was, "Is that a newfoundland?"  I think
his big head throws people off.  Anyway, Marget, do you think that Spencer
looks like Annie?

Kim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Subject: Re: Feeding frequency for large dogs (bloat)
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:25:29 GMT

Offhand, here is what I remember about the risk of bloat with regard
to meals, exercise and breed:

One large meal increases the risk of bloat as opposed to two smaller meals.

Exercise after a meal increases the risk of bloat.

Some even claim exercise before a meal increases the risk of bloat.

The more roomy the caudal thorax (deep chest) the greater the risk of 
stomach torsion.

An animal with previous bloat is much more at risk for bloat than one that has
never had it.  (This is just like saying if your dog is known to be prone to it,
he is more at risk). 

You can combine these risks in various ways, and I don't think anyone could
say for certain the relative weights of these factors, on a statistical
basis, except for the last one.   Still, I wouldn't run my dog right after
a meal, even if I was feeding two times a day.

-Jeff
---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey)
Subject: Re: Kleenex-eating Dogs
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:22:03 GMT

Toilet paper, kleenex...you can't tempt any of my 5 weims with such
a delicacy and expect to have any around when you need it!

Ha Ha
Dana Massey
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: GSD questions for Siegfried!
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:27:39 GMT


Hi all!

Me again! I can hear the groans! :-)

Well, as per my previous post about how he's growing and growing
and growing, I'm getting to the point of needing new equipment for
him!!!

First off, how big of a crate should I get him so he doesn't  outgrow
a $100 cage on me? I've been flipping through the catalogs and there
were ones for GSDs and then larger for Large Labs...huh? I've been
looking at the 30"-36" High range. Would 30" be enough for him?
He's going to be a BIG doggie as he's 10 weeks, 19 lbs and 14"
high at the withers. Right now he's all leg! :-) Remember, his
sire was 140 lbs and his dam was 95 lbs. The didn't look *that*
big to me. The dam looked about what I would call Shepard size,
perhaps an inch or two larger. Right now he is in Baeki's old
crate (she never got used to it) which is an airline approved
plastic crate. We are thinking of going to an all metal mesh 
sort of one. Is this wise? Will he care?

Next question, I know he is going to go through A LOT of collars
by the time he's full grown, he's nearly through the 12 inch one
which was loose on the first notch 4 weeks ago. He's on the LAST
notch now and we're going to have to move up soon. BUT, since I 
can order choke collars at a good rate now, what weight and 
length can I expect him to need when he's full grown? Heavy or
Medium? And how thick of a leash should I get him for training?
The 1/4" one is holding him now, but who knows in amonth! What
thickness do you use on your adult dogs and how much do they 
weigh? I'm looking in the 3/4"-1" range. Which one?  

When's he's full grown, the next person over to Switzerland or maybe
we can even talk one of the relatives into it, will get him his own
Swiss doggie collar from Appenzell (that's what ALL the Schlumpf
dogs have..his folks' dogs are in black and ours' will be in red...makes
sense since our dogs are all black! :-) ) but until then I guess we'll
just be working our way up the length range.  What size collars
do your GSDs wear? Just out of sheer curiousity!

Well, thanks for bearing with me! New Mommy questions, aren't
they great!? :-)  I think that's all I had for now! Thanks in advance!

kay & Crew
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: Dogs and Protection
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:49:43 GMT

My husband and I often laugh about what it would be
like if a cat burglar came into our house at night.
They would hear two deep snores coming from the bed
room, so the owners of the house are obviously asleep!
They would then tip-toe into the bedroom.....

.... TRIP over one 147 lb. Newf lying in the door way
and LAND on one 130 lb. Newf lying in the middle of
the floor!  The dogs would probably roll over and fall
back to sleep....


I came home one evening when Jonathan was home with the
two dogs.  I looked in the window to make sure I wouldn't
hit anyone with the door.  Both dogs were asleep near the
door.  I put the key in, turned the knob, Helen, the grey
cat came in with me, she jumped over both dogs, and I
couldn't get in the door cause it was jammed up against
a SNORING dog!!  THEY DIDN"T MOVE!!

We're in trouble......
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs in Pick Up Trucks AGAIN
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:19:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23863
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>I also wanted to comment about those who think that rural dogs should be
>let free to roam around at their will.  I know that many, if not most,
>farmers that I have met let their dogs roam all of the time and the dog may
>be gone from home for many days at a time, but I fail to see why this is a 
>good thing. 

It isn't a good thing to let your dog wander around.

What is good about SEEING dogs running free is that it means that
the local humane society hasn't rounded them up.  It's a good SIGN.

Neighbors are not alarmed by a stray; civility still automatically comes first.
Happiness is not uncommon in such places.
----

I had a neighbor a few years ago who was trying very hard to train his
malemute, going to obedience classes and so forth.  I don't know if he
ever succeeded, but he once confided to me that his goal was to train the
dog to ride in the bed of his pickup truck.

Evidently that is a common vision of a dog, probably a male vision;
but still there it is.  I just mention it because I always wonder
about the righteous tone of people who know better.

Without any inclination to own a pickup truck or for my dog to ride
in its bed, I can't comment on the vision, but it's pretty important
to some people, and seems to structure their relations to their dogs,
and might for all I know structure their dogs' happiness.

A righteous tone always seems to oppose a happiness, I seem to notice.
It worries about accidents.

Like a mother, but a mother that wants the force of law behind her, in
opposing her son's happiness.
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Malamutes in the Movies
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:45:26 -0500

In <21226@drutx.ATT.COM>, Sky Warrior writes:
>Generally any movie with "wolves" in them usually have Malamutes instead 
>because they are more trainable.  Some movies that I noted Mals playing wolves:
>
>Journey of Natty Gam (Disney -- is this the right title?)
>Call of the Wild  (Yes, they had hybrids as well, but a couple of scenes they
>did some creative splicing with Mals in them)
i heard that natty gann's pet "wolf", and the title animal in white fang,
were both played by the same actor, a wolf/malamute hybrid named jed.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:54:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Digging Dog
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

In rec.pets.dogs, tims@bvc.edu writes:

    My 10 month-old golden retreiver likes to tunnel to Africa.  
    When I leave her in the yard, she finds 
    a nice, soft place and digs a hole.  My main question is:  why does she 
    want to dig?  Also, is there anyway to get her to stop?  It's not a big 
    deal if she digs in the yard, but I would prefer if she didn't.  Any 
    suggestions?


Dogs dig for a number of reasons.  Many dig a cooling pit.  They think
the nice turned earth is better to lay in than the grass or where ever
you want them to lay.  Dogs dig because they are bored.  It is fun to
dig a hole and watch the dirt fly.  Dogs dig to bury their bones or
to dig after then ant the crawed down there.

For most dogs, if you choose a place where they are allowed to dig,
they will be happy to dig there.  Choose a place where there is shade.
Build a sand box there.  Hide some toys there.  Show the dog, by digging
your self, that it is ok to dig there.  

Wendy
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:23:38 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1523@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
>>Couldn't the breeder require a deposit that is returned to the buyer
>>either when the dog is returned or when it dies a "natural" death?
>>
> 
> Dag's idea of a refundable "security deposit" is an interesting one.
> Personally, I try to discourage a "trial dog" approach to puppy purchase.
> I want my puppy buyers to believe that buying a puppy from me is a
> lifetime commitment, just like adopting a child. However, I am a realist, and
> want to provide an accepting environment for the buyer to return the dog to
> me for re-homing if keeping the dog becomes impossible. Here is a paragraph
> from my standard sales contract:

(Contract deleted)

Margret's contract is great -- I think the idea of a deposit might be a
unworkable, at least in certain breeds like Irish setters, because breeders
are often eager to get puppies into any GOOD home, be it pet or show, and
sometimes for very low prices.  Again, this would apply to breeds like Irish
where the demand just isn't that great and finding good homes is tough. 

A legally binding contract would seem to work better in this situation, 
because for a deposit to work it would probably have to be pretty high,
and it might discourage otherwise promising buyers who would provide a 
good home from buying from you.  They would just go down the road (to the
backyard breeder, puppy mill, etc. - out of sheer ignorance, of course.)
People may be used to shelling out $500+ dollars for a pet Rottie, but 
they sure aren't used to spending that much on a pet Irish setter.

Contracts are the best, even if tough to enforce.


Holly
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 3-Legged Frisbee dog!
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:50:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

(r l taylor) writes:
>(Jack Smoke) writes:
>
>>	Jake, my Border Collie, has only three legs.  He lost
>>the right front one last year, trying to herd a car.  It hasn't
>>affected hhim much - truth to tell, he hardly realizes it's missing.
>
>>	Last weekend, we attended another compitition, and Jake and I took
>>Third place!  Not bad for the second time out of the barn, Hum?
>
>Not bad at all!  Congratulations!  And thanks for sharing your story...
>Every so often, someone posts a question about the quality of life for
>a three-legged dog.  I think Jake's success will be an encouragement to
>anyone facing that situation.

Quality of life for a three-legged dog?  Its great according to the one
I spent most of my life around.  My uncle lives in a rural section of
Central Louisiana and had a three-legged German Shepherd for years.
Matter of fact, it had been that way since before I learned to walk.  
Max was his name, and his left front leg fell victim to an unforgiving 
Chevy pickup.

Max finally died when I was about 15 (I think he was ~16), so I assumed
he lived about 13-14 years of his life that way.  We had a huge family
reunion out on my uncle's farm every October: rode horses, had hay
rides, chased cows, played football in the pasture (yuk!), etc. ----
Ol' Max stayed with us every step of the way.

Yep.  I'd say his quality of life was pretty good....

--J.J.Clyde
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs