HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Rosemary Waigh <rwaigh@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: How to cook beans
Reply-To: rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:42:49 GMT


I've also heard that adding a strip of kombu (a.k.a. kelp) to the
pot while cooking prevents flatulence, and makes the beans cook faster.
It seems to work.

Rosemary Waigh
rwaigh@zooid.guild.org
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Milk is dangerous?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:50:16 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct9.160626.21689@emr1.emr.ca>, woodgold@emr1.emr.ca (Cathy Woodgold) writes:
> In article <2OCT92.15151518@nerus.pfc.mit.edu> mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu writes:
>>Does that mean that we should only eat foods that are designed for us?
>>Can someone please list them for me?  Thanks.
>>Mark
> 
> It's my understanding that apples, for example, are designed for mammals.
> The apple tree produces a tasty food to induce mammals to carry the seeds
> to new places, thus spreading apple trees around.
> 
> Cathy Woodgold

I'm a little rusty on my good catholic education, but wasn't it Adam
and Eve eating from the apple tree that created original sin? Putting
aside science for the moment, it would seem logical that God created 
apple trees just for humans, especially Adam and Eve. Apples are even
vegetarian (vegan). What's the basis of that line, "An apple a day
keeps the doctor away."?

Now we can return to scientific thought. 

-Mary Howard

From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:02:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Chelation therapy and iron [was Re: Have you heard of this?????]
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition

I spoke with Dr. Ross Gordon today, who designed the FDA approved experimental
protocol for the latest EDTA study. He intended to study 180 patients at two
Army hospitals. They studied about 40 when the Kuwaiti war broke out, which 
put the study on hold. Now the Army hospitals are being closed, and it isn't 
clear how or when the study will be completed.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: The More Things Change...
Reply-To: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:06:40 GMT

I wrote a letter to William J. Goldwag, M.D. who ran a nutritional Q & A
column in BESTWAYS magazine.  The question dealt with how when I spoke to
people re a sound nutritional program, I sometimes met with "but my doctor says
this & that."  I asked Dr. Goldwag how he'd deal with such antiquated ideas.
His published response follows:

You asked my opinion, so if it sounds strange, remember it is only my own
viewpoint.

It is quite common for anyone who has found an "answer" to an important problem
they face to want to tell others about it.  Not only that, but we then want
them to "benefit by our experience" without going through all the hardships
we went through to reach that answer.  We become advocates of a "point of view"
or a "method" and begin to "advise" others.

In order to advise others I must assume I "know" something they don't and
furthermore that they would be better off following my way than some other.
But, what I "know" today is so often disproved tomorrow that it cannot really
be spoken of as "knowing."  Let me ask you some questions.  Can you "convince"
anyone of anything?  What value is there in getting them to agree with you,
which is what convincing really is?

Perhaps you may give people ideas to experiment with.  You can relate your
experiences with the ideas and allow them to choose to try some of them out or
not.  If they tell you that their doctor says "so and so" you might inquire
whether they are satisfied with the state of total health they have achieved
using that approach.  Usually they have not been given a positive program of
health to work on but rather drugs to alter their normal body responses or
negative comments regarding natural foods or vitamins.

In spite of all the evidence of its harmful nature, there are still many people
who smoke or eat or drink excessively.  Such people don't respond to threats or
arguments or even so-called reasoning.  Don't be discouraged if some ignore
your information or argue with it or ridicule it--they are operating from the
level of their state of knowledge, which for them is correct or proper.  When
they are ready to move into a new area they will ask for assistance and you can
present your views at that time.  Remember the old saying: "A woman convinced
against her will, is of the same opinion still."  It applies to men as well.

_______________________________________________________________________________

I hope some of you find this to be of interest as I did when in was written
in 1977.
From: joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: KM vitamines
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:36:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct13.175246.27542@access.usask.ca> skeeter@skatter.usask.ca writes:
>From article <1992Oct13.151141.7995@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, by joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap):
>> have a girlfriend that is selling this vitamine suppliment called KM.
>> She has been trying to sell me this stuff for about 6 months now. She
>> claims that you will instantly start feeling better within a week of using 
>> the stuff on a daily basis. Well the stuff is expensive and sound like a
>> lot of snake oil. Any and all comments welcome.
>> 
>> Joni :)
>
>I doubt she can beat $0.06 a day for a good multi-vitamin/mineral
>supplement!  "instantly start feeling better within a week"?  That's
>a pretty long instant!  Or does she mean that sometime during the
>week your body will go "boing!" and you'll feel great?  :)
>
>I'd have to know what's in "KM vitamine supplement" before I could
>denounce it as "snake oil".  It might just be overpriced!
>
>

I just found out that this stuff is not a vitamine it is an herbal tonic.
It is called Matol Km. It comes out of Canada and supposedly been around
for many years. 

Joni :)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Impact of Caffeine on Health
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:50:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct14.075038.5235
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct13.191910.8081@nynexst.com> laura@nynexst.com writes:
> What is the impact of caffeine on health?

Not a whole lot, if not taken to excess.  High daily doses can cause
nervousness, tremulousness, insomnia and some mild heartbeat
irregularities in certain people.  What's "high"?  Well it depends.
More than 4-5 cups of strong coffee a day might get you into the
area of 800mg-1000mg/day or more, which is definitely on the high side.
Your habit of drinking coffee or other caffeinated beverages should
be looked at if you have any of these symptoms, if only because they
might be helped by reducing or eliminating caffeine from your diet.

> In particular, what (if any) is caffeine's impact on breast disease?
> If possible, cite the source of information.

Caffeine got a lot of notoriety associated with the syndrome called
"fibrocystic breast disease", which is first of all a misnomer, because
it's no disease proper.   Secondly, it was implicated based on a faulty
theory of why women develop occasionally painful but benign lumps in
their breasts and additionally on an incorrect notion of how caffeine
exerts its effects in the body.  Still there were lots of reports from
gynecologists and women who reported resolution of these problems when
they eliminated caffeine-containing foods from their diet.  When these
were investigated more closely and controlled experiments done, how much
caffeine you actually ingested was unrelated to the successful outcome.

I really do not have references handy; this is all off the top of my
head.  A literature search at a local medical library can handle this
nicely.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: Grady W Chism <gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Impact of Caffeine on Health
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:26:30 GMT

Levinson and Dunn. 1986. Nonassociation of caffeine and fibrocystic breast 
disease. Arch. Intern. Med. 146:1773.
Lubin et al. 1985. Coffee and methylxanthines and breast cancer: a case control
study. J. Nat. Can. Inst. 74:569.

In spite of popular belief (ammong the public and many MD's), no properly 
executed study has shown a link between caffeine intake and fibrocystic 
disease.
-- 
Grady W. Chism                     Email:gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Dept. of Food Science and Tech.    Voice:614-292-7719
Ohio State University              FAX:614-292-0218
2121 Fyffe Road, Columbus, OH 43210
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: young@serum.kodak.com
Subject: Re: MULTI-VITAMINS
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 18:43:43 GMT

In article <10OCT92.05245458.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCMG@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCMG) writes:
>
>  Hi there,
>
>     Im presently taking MULT-VITAMIN/MINERAL supplement,
>     the brand is QUEST.It is a ONE A DAY vitamin.I noticed
>     that my urine is a much darker yellow while I take these
>     vitamins.Is this normal? harmful?.Also is it dangerous
>     to take MULT-VITAMINS over a long period?


If I recall correctly, excess vitamin C excreted in the urine turns it a dark
orange color.  I don't believe this is particularly dangerous, but it DOES
mean that some of the money you just spent on the vitamins just went down the
sewer without providing any benefit whatsoever.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: food and asthma question.
Organization: WP Group
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:00:24 GMT

From article <BSIMON.92Oct16131353@elvis.stsci.edu>, by bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon):
> Many people who have asthma find that avoiding dairy products helps
> reduce asthma symptoms.

In view of the discussion of milk that's been raging in another thread,
could you point us to some data?

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: cda@davos.ide.com (Charlotte Allen)
Subject: Re: Milk v/s Soymilk
Organization: IDE
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:40:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.170152.3954@eng.cam.ac.uk>, pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben) writes:
> Is it possible to buy "skimmed" soymilk?

Yes, you can buy low-fat soymilk, with 18-20% of its calories from fat.
There's a lot of variation in the ingredients of different soy milks.
The kind that comes in cartons that you don't have to refrigerate until
opened always contains things besides soy beans and water.  Sometimes rice,
sometimes malt, sometimes additional fat, sometimes flavorings.

The only kind of soy milk I'm familiar with that has as its ingredients only
soy beans and water comes in plastic bottles and must be refrigerated.  I
don't like it as much as the low fat soy milks that come in cartons.
My favorite is Vita-Soy low fat vanilla.

********************************************************************************
			     Charlotte Allen
			uunet!ide!cda	cda@ide.com
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: is whey bad?
Keywords: whey, nutrition
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:19:52 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <nelson.719002287@skid.ps.uci.edu> nelson@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Matt Nelson) writes:
>
>the subject says it all.  is whey 'bad'?  self-help gazzilionaire tony
(I hope this joke is worth the network bandwidth it wastes.)

I am not sure, but I have heard that "whey"ing too much can be
bad for you.  It puts an extra strain on your heart and can lead to
heart disease. :-)

-- 
--
 Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
 From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
From: joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: KM vitamines
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:11:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

have a girlfriend that is selling this vitamine suppliment called KM.
She has been trying to sell me this stuff for about 6 months now. She
claims that you will instantly start feeling better within a week of using 
the stuff on a daily basis. Well the stuff is expensive and sound like a
lot of snake oil. Any and all comments welcome.

Joni :)
Xref: sparky sci.med.nutrition:827 talk.politics.animals:8745
From: tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:58:12 GMT
Reply-To: tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ted Robinson)
Organization: Amdahl Corp, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1lgpjyb@lynx.unm.edu>, bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:

> Sigh. If I need to explain it, you're probably not going to understand.

Thank you for coming down to my level. I hope it's not too painful for you.

> Try this. No-one claims that humans *need* cow's milk to survive.
> No-one, not even dairy farmers.
> 
> Since no-one is arguing the other side, ergo, your argument is
> a straw man.

Consider this from the AMA statement:

   The American Medical Association is alarmed by today's allegation
   that milk is dangerous and should not be required or recommended in
   government guidelines.  There is absolutely no scientific proof to
   support such a claim.
 
Technically speaking, you're right. Doing a logic analysis of the AMA 
statement, they're saying NOT (NOT (milk should be required or recommended)). 
The "NOTs" cancel out, leaving us with:

            milk should be required or recommended

From this standpoint the AMA need only defend the recommended aspect to 
satisfy the OR condition. However, communication through the media is not so 
simple as a strict logical analysis. Why include the stronger clause 
(required) if the weaker one (recommended) is the only one you support? Most 
likely because many people will buy the stronger clause, and for those that 
object you need only defend the weaker clause. For example, the AMA could 
also try to defend the following statement:

            milk should be recommended or lawyers should be shot 
 
by just defending the first clause. The point here is that the AMA, 
intentionally or not, chose *not* to avail themselves of the opportunity to 
clarify their position, and instead left it quite vague. In fact, by saying 
"absolutely no scientific evidence" they did their best to create the 
impression that the entire statement is wrong, not just the one clause. 
Politicians often use just such a tactic - Republican denials of Watergate 
come to mind. An entire statement is labelled an outright lie, when in fact 
only one, minor portion is incorrect.

The purpose of my post was to point this out to readers that might not've 
noticed. Indeed, in the sentence prior to the one you posted, I made it quite 
clear that I realized the AMA was only actively defending the "recommended" 
clause.  You seem to have inferred a tactic and a claim that I wasn't making. 
Rather ironic, eh? In your very accusation you evince the characteristics you 
accuse me of. 

Ted Robinson
tsr00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com
These views are mine and not Amdahl's, etc.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: Another brain/aluminium question.
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.192811.20822@aoa.aoa.utc.com> carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.181100.22674@sr.com> dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow) writes:
>>I am one who feels there's a place for many of the these "therapies",
>>includinwestern medicine. I think that one of the most important things
>>traditional western medicine needs to do is become more knowledgable
>>about alternative medicines or at least to be more open-minded about
>>the possibilities that some of this may have a good deal of validity and
>>have a place in an overall systematic approach to healthcare, particularly 
>>in the preventative area. Personally, I have receiveda good deal of benefit
>>over the yeers from accupuncture, herbal therapy and chiropractic.
>x
>There used to be an expression "knee-jerk liberal" which referred
>to people who showed little judgement in selecting politics.
>
>By analogy, you, Mr. Sprow are a knee-jerk apologist for so-called
>alternative therapies.
>You can't prove (nor can anyone else) that your use of these
>therapies exceeded the placebo effect.  There is absolutely no
>reason to believe that something is valid just because someone
>(especially someone selling it) says so.
>
>>one if I had a health problem that required immediate attention.  We
>>just need to stop assuming that Drs. know all there is to know about
>>health care.
>x
>In fact, nearly all "alternative" therapies, drugs, etc. have been
>s
tu
died.  Those few and rare cases which have demonstrated efficacy
>have or are being incorporated into so-called mainstream medicin.

Since I'm not overly knowledgable about this, but am largely responding
tp my own perceptions of both alternative and traditional medicine as well
as discussions on the same in this group.  If you have sources for this
, I'd like to see them/look them up.  Your statement doesn't mean too much
to me without more specifics.

>Few "Drs." (sic) claim to know all, or even most of what there
>is to know about health care.  The fact that many alternative
>promoters do make such a claim should be a clear warning signal.
>
In my twenty years of using both traditional and alternative nethods
of health practices, I have never heard *any* alterntative practitioner
make such a claim... and I have been exposed to quite a few.
>
>-- 
>Carl Witthoft @ Adaptive Optics Associates
>aoa!carl@bbn.com  carl@aoa.utc.com
>54 CambridgePark Drive, Cambridge,MA 02140 617-864-0201
>"My Karma just ran over my Dogma!"

David Sprow


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dl10697@ehsn3.cen.uiuc.edu (Duc Trieu Le)
Subject: Re: Potato as folk remedy for eye burns?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:52:45 GMT

neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:

>statement was meant in jest. I am still healing from a big 2nd degree burn
>(feels like 3rd degree, except there was no charred flesh, only an open,
>bleeding, pepperoni pizza looking approx 20 square inches from my ankle
>halfway up to my knee, burn wound caused by a very hot M/C exhaust pipe
>{attached to the rest of the heavy M/C} falling on top of me) which happened
>on Sept. 7th. Ground up potato is likely to breed bacteria. I think I'll
>just stick to the Silvadene (tm) cream prescribed by my physician along
>with occasional dressing with aloe vera juice.

>AArrgghh!!!!!!
>-- 
>=============================================================================

for severe burns, I heard one can apply Vitamin E lotion (natural form)
for a while over the burnt skin to prevent scarring of the flesh.
I heard the vitamin is somehow used by the cells during mitosis.
I don't know if this is true, but Vitamin is in most skin care lotion nowadays.

Duc T. Le
led@sunfs1.dsd.northrop.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Information needed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:46:16 GMT


	Address needed for the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia,
possibly - e-mail. Thanks.
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: MRI devices and stapes (inner ear) replacement
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:17:28 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Oct9.010350.26371@resumix.portal.com>, ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz) writes:
> He is presently in need of having an MRI scan, but the local
> hospital will NOT do the scan until they find out the type of
> stainless steel. They claim that if the stapes replacement is
> made from magnetic stainless, it could vibrate and become
> damaged (which would result in almost total hearing loss).

It could cause severe damage to his ear as well.  Legend has it 
that the first time we really became aware of what MRI could do
in the presence of ferromagnetic metal was when a steelworker
underwent a traumatic enucleation of the eye when a little
sliver of steel in his orbit which no one had known about started
to spin under the influence of the magnetic field.  Whatever he
has, he is not in need of an MRI badly enough that one should be
obtained if there is any chance at all that his cochlear implant
could be ferromagnetic.  Won't a high-resolution CT do?
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Migraine headaches without the pain?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:43:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9874@fs3.cam.nist.gov>, crosson@cam.nist.gov (Robert Crosson) writes...
>Recently a neighbor's 6-year-old girl was remarking "Uh oh,
>my head's getting smaller again."  Her concerned parents took
>her to a doctor who sent them to a neurologist.  He said he
>though the girl was suffering from migraine headaches without
>the pain.  They were affecting her vision, which let to her
>comment.
> 
>Are migraine headaches without the pain possible?  Are there places
>to take this little girl for specialized treatment?
> 
Good question.  I have a friend who gets what sounds to me like a 
"body migraine" but there is no head pain.  The main symptom is 
he gets extremely tired for no apparent reason.  

Anyone ever hear of "body migraines"?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Christian Science Folly (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:38:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.025334.14941@beaver.cs.washington.edu> walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.214650.21835@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Actually, if you think of it in its historical context, the whole Christian 
>Science ideal of correcting medical problems by correcting one's thinking 
>made a certain amount of sense:  the founder said she thought people ought
>to go to the dentist and ought to have bones set.  At the time, these were
>just about the only medical procedures that would do you much good.
>	
>The problem is, of course, that the whole religion is living in the past,
>but then that's not all that uncommon with religions.
>
Does anyone have information about how long Christian Scientists live?

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Peroxide and the bubbling reaction?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:32:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct8.163217.19398
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct08.152150.96426@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>Why is it that peroxide bubbles when it is placed on a cut?
>(I've been told that it is a sign that it is killing germs,
>but I think that it is a reaction with the blood.)

Catalase is an enzyme which converts hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen.
There's a lot of it in your blood and other tissues.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer