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From: weird@netcom.com (Richard A. Ney)
Subject: Re: AAAAAAARRRRRG!!! my mind is going...
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 04:24:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <BsvxpC.J76@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
>         I've been an anime fan for about three years now...thought I was   
>normal...last night my dreams were invaded by anime characters....
>*gasp* What should I do?
>
>-- 

<<<< Going into Freudian Mode >>>>

	Ah Yes the invasion of ones dreams by Animation Characters..
	In order to Figure out what your Dream mean you must first
	Tell us what your dreams contained.. Were you dreaming that
	Lum was Shocking you Or were you flying around in space in
	a Gundam.. We must know what you saw in your dreams to find
	out what you ID is trying to release in order to gain control
	over your EGO.. Inquiring minds want to know....

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From: pomru@madoka.its.rpi.edu (John W. Yung)
Subject: Re: Make Your Own Anime!
Keywords: Ranma
Organization: Scanner Cinema Animation Narration Non-sequitur Entertainment Research
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:27:34 GMT

In article <Aug.14.09.20.02.1992.2780@remus.rutgers.edu> pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.151146.12251@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
>
>> How's this:
>
>> - An anime version of RENDEZVOUZ WITH RAMA.
>
>
>Or maybe RENDEZVOUZ WITH RANMA???  
>
>:-)

    There was an art entry in the AnimeCon '91 art show that featured
    Rendezvous with Ranma.  I forget whether it was a mock movie poster
    or book advertisement.  *sigh*  Perhaps I should have bid on it.

                              [Splash] "Love Letter from China"
                              - Ranma, _Ranma 1/2: Fast Paced Battle Song_ OAV

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: AnimEigo, Miyu LD slight disappointment, UY2 LD?
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:59:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Aug17.230716.27505@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin) writes:
>   
> Thirdly, too bad that 5 and 6 are separated in two discs,
> I treat them as a same story with part 1 and part 2. And the
> story continuity is much stronger than any others in the series.
> here is an alternative grouping: part 4 and two MTVs, part 5&6,
> part 7&8, how is that?

You know, I was thinking exactly the same thing.  How about it, Mr. Woodhead?

> Why is an old tape has vivid color than a LD? (it's a miracle ...)
> Was it due to the subtitling?

I think so.

> Will you improve in the future?

Hopefully...
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From: lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: The great "rabaa" = Lover or Larva debate!
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:02:28 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:

- The reason this bothers me is that the way to write "Larva" phonetically
- in kana is "raaba."  The way to write "Lover" phonetically is "rabaa."
- I just prefer the idea of Miyu calling him, "Lover."
 
Me too!  Lover is much more appropriate plus much more romantically 
mysterious...

Ben Koshy/Lone Wolf              lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: ANIME EXPO '93
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 06:18:31 GMT


In a previous article, callahan@clubzen.fidonet.org (Greg scanlan) says:

>        I am pleased to announce Anime Expo '93.It will be held  in
> the Bay Area on July Fourth weekend.
>         The convention is to be held under the auspices of The
> Society for the Promotion of Japanese Animation.
>        [...] The Convention is a joint effort of the merged resources
> of Anime Expo '93 and AnimeCon '93.

Really?  Pardon me for a moment...

YEAH!!  WAAAAAAA-HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!  YEAH-YEAH-YEAH!!  YES! YES!
HA-HA!

[does boogie dance around room]

YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!

Ahem.  I must say, this is good news.  Best of luck to you all.  Might
I ask when memberships will be available?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go jump and shout some more.  Toodles!

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: Song Translation: Macross ][ Opening Song (revised)
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 06:31:05 GMT


I take it you were unsatisfied with the translation you can read on the
USRenditions version of MACROSS II?  Or was that not a faithful translation?

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: Anime Sound files ?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:54:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.064231.29594@cs.uow.edu.au>, u8902989@cs.uow.edu.au (Chung Ming Liu) writes:
> Would someone please tell me, what sort of sound application do I need to
> plackback anime digitized sound on the Macintosh ?

I like the Sound Manager Package(sp?).  It can play back sounds at different
user-selectable speeds, which is essential for files ported from, say, an
Amiga sound digitizer.

> What format are those anime sound files digigtized in ?

Which ones?

> If possible please tell me, which FTP site can I fould the right application
> to play them.

sumex-aim.stanford.edu
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From: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
Subject: Re: Make Your Own Anime!
Reply-To: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:36:01 GMT


In a previous article, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) says:

>
>How's this:
>- A sequel to FUTURE BOY CONAN, again as a TV series in NHK, produced
>  by Studio Ghibli.  Conan, Lana, and the other principals are a few
>  years older, and have to deal with the people who fought against
>  Industria in the war.  Who are, of course, much nastier than the
>  Industrians ever were.
>
>- The Mad House people on NEUROMANCER.
>
>- An anime version of RENDEZVOUZ WITH RAMA.
>
>- James Cameron or Ridley Scott directing some anime.
>
>- Yoshitaka Amano illustrating a SANDMAN story (I know it's not anime,
>  but hey).
>
>- And the number one thing I'd love to see in anime:
>
>        A 48-episode TV series, directed by Miyazaki, chronicling the
>        rest of Kiki's year in Korico.
>
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>


How about anime directed by David Lynch.  Looks like a Beautiful Dreamer type
situation... :)


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From: pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: sdfsdfgsw
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:25:11 GMT
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <5841@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ANIME@NTIVAXD.CC.VT.EDU writes:

> fhjklsdhjklg
> sdgfjkasdfga
> jdgfklsdhg
>  ghsdflghl
> ghdfjghl
> 
> 
> 
> - YKH


Oh yeah!  Well, hgf;drlhgtilfdgh;efgh g to you too!

Steve
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From: ae561@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Unification of Manga Artists from the Net?
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:27:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


	I think that this list should be confined to Manga/Anime 
only, as oppose to having it list "Heros" styles of art (Marval/DC)

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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: AnimEigo, Miyu LD slight disappointment, UY2 LD?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:41:44 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <1992Aug17.235907.2702@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.230716.27505@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin) writes:
>> Thirdly, too bad that 5 and 6 are separated in two discs,
>> I treat them as a same story with part 1 and part 2. And the
>> story continuity is much stronger than any others in the series.
>> here is an alternative grouping: part 4 and two MTVs, part 5&6,
>> part 7&8, how is that?
>You know, I was thinking exactly the same thing.  How about it, Mr. Woodhead?

Isn't it obvious, though, that it's a plot to convince you to buy both
LDs?!  Gotta rake in the bucks, dudes!  8->
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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Quantum Leap animation ep and Otomo
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:03:38 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <1992Aug10.191636.11882@ntmtv> takahash@ntmtv.UUCP writes:
 > >Furthermore, Sam will leap into one of the animated characters, *not*
 > >the animator.
 > 
 > Oh PLEASE!!  Say it ain't so!!
 > 
 > As a Quantum Leap fan, I will probably watch this episode...but this may
 > be the episode which will "break the camel's back"...even if Otomo-sensei
 > *does* do the animation...

I think it's a great idea. Quantum Leap has pushed the envelope quite a
bit over its run, and this would be a real test and a real push for
anime in mainstream western TV.

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From: clark@racquet.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Saints all brothers?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:51:42 GMT
Reply-To: clark@racquet.csee.usf.edu (Matthew Clark)
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

In article <1992Aug14.072053.18057@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
as413@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric William Paslick) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, hoeke@vaxb.acs.unt.edu () says:
|> >
|> >Try manga collection issue #5. When Ikki is explaining all of the
|> background. I
|> >have yet to do a complete translation thereof, but ballpark-wise,
|> Zeus/Kido is
|> >responsible for several hundred children. (Busy BUSY man.... maybe
|> it's a good
|> >thing he IS a god... can you imagine the required stamina???  :)  
|> )

Yup, the Bronze Boys are all half-brothers (same father, different
mother)   Kido
was so bent on having people he could trust as Saints (in order to
protect Athena)
that he literally went around the world making as many sons as he could.
Now,
I don't think there are SEVERAL hundred, but 100.

Hmm, I need to go bakc & read that part again.

Of course, the real interesting part happens MUCH later when Pandora
sells Ikki the
idea that Shun is NOT his brother.  (it's a bit more complicated than
that...)

Now, what's this about Kido being a god?  (I don't think so...)

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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Anime Irregularities
Date: 11 Aug 92 21:58:19 GMT
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN

Carl Horn says (in extreme summary and without context);

>" AKIRA actually represents a very-Japanese looking character
>design--that is, by the usual standards of anime. Often,
>however, supposedly Japanese characters are portrayed in a
>fashion that in no way resembles Japanese. That fact has never
>seemed to bother the anime industry. Why they wish to portray
>Japanese in that way is a rather complicated issue, with a
>number of theories behind it ..."

  Some friends were over watching some BGC, and someone started
complaining about "Japanese portrails of Americans in cartoons",
so I showed 'em project A-Ko next.

  So I sez to 'em, I sez; "If you think that these characters are
all supposed to be caucasians, wait'll yah see the Space Shuttle
pilots!".  Those big jaws, those thrusting chins, those massive
sholders ... now THAT'S what caucasians look like in Anime !!

  Shut 'em up pretty well.

  After watching only a small selection of Anime (only about 15
titles so far, but hungry for more !!), I find that it's not too
hard to tell what nationality people are supposed to be by the
way they're drawn.  Admittedly, everything is so heavily stylized
in some Anime that it's simply impossible (and, of course,
pointless) to tell the difference, but in Anime like "Crying
Freeman", you can tell when you've entered Korea, or mainland
China, or gone back to Japan.  Nobody looks "like they should",
but there are differences.

  Not that any of this makes any difference at all.

  As if the Japanese could watch the "Disney Afternoon" and say
"Hell, American's don't look like that -- what are they thinking?"

  It is, after all, just cartoons -- yeh, I do consider myself
a boarderline otaku, but it's just a cartoon.

  Kick back, relax, have a home brew and switch on the Anime!

  100% baka and holding down a productive job.  Ciaran.

  
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From: brandon@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Garland Operator 7-G)
Subject: Re: Starship Troopers
Summary:  watch Heinlein spin...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Anime Doujou
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:32:00 GMT

In article <la>, jmctigue@.stern.nyu.edu (J C. McTigue) writes...
> 
>brandon@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu:
>> ..as long as they don't do a "Starship Troopers" to it :-P
> 
>What do you mean?  I like the book, but havn't seen the OAV.

I really like the book as well, and I guess that is why I don't like the OAV.
I didn't like the way the characters were drawn, Carmen always looked funny
to me (can't put my finger on it), and it might be just me, but I thought
Juan Rico was supposed to be of South American race descent. . . . NOT some
blonde "USA stereotype looking" guy.

>Is it really horrible?  

In my opinion, it is good to watch once, but it could have been so much better.

>I thought it was made by Sunrise...

It was.

Domo. Ja na.

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From: ramberg@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jim Ramberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: BGC, Vampire Princess Miyu, 999 and SF shopping comments
Date: 14 Aug 1992 22:18:34 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley: Center for EUV Astrophysics
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Hi:
Here are some comments on some the anime I've seen lately:
Unless otherwised mentioned: I found everything at SF's Japantown's
Japan Video and Kinokuniya Bookstore:
I found the service to be okay in the Video store ; though they do
seem to be not that informative, more than likely due to a
difficulty with English. 
I found the servie in the bookstore to be exceptional not to mention
the staff being very nice and helpful..
Anime:
Anime:
(Videos)
       Akira: (dubbed:letterboxed) Streamline (I think)
	Fantastic artwork. The dubbing was sub-par (isn't it always!)
	I see (via Star Log) that a sub-titled version is availible.
	The dubbing seemed to make the plot a bit difficukt to foolow.
	The ending is different than in the manga.

       Bubble Gum Crisis
                         Part I: AnimEigo..
			 (sub-titled and letterboxed)
			 Nice story,pacing and a great soundtrack by a 
                         group who also does the voices. I was pleasantly
			 suprised to find the body armor (called
                         hard suits) was based on the android depicted
			 on the Asia album cover of Astra. 
			 Hurricane 2023: Tinsel City Rhapsody:
			 Some anime; but mostly music from the rock 'n
			 roll group which do the soundtracks.. It's in
			 mono though with no subtitles !! 
			Graphic Novel (I forgot the name): It's
                        written in Japanese anyway. Fantastic artwork.
                        Includes some good pictures of the rock group 
                        who dies the voices/soundtrack. A big too expensive
                        for my blood right now at ~$40 dolars with the tax.
       Vampire Princess Miyu(Episodes I&II) {subbed (& letterboxed I
	think) animEigo
	Great soundtrack. The stories are sort of a mix of Anne Rice
	and Japanese mythology. I reccomend wsatching it half-asleep.
	It enhances the dreamy quality.
P.S I like the AnimEigo work .. nice job :-)
	Galaxy 999:
	got a sound track cd for $34 dollars (import). I also ogot a 
	copy of mangajin (sort of an english manga)  featuring it..
This is definitely a very expensive habit !!
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From: andrewh@panix.com (Andrew Huie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: PAKO music questions
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:38:02 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug16.051746.16173@panix.com> jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park) writes:
>I am trying to find following three pieces of music from Project Ako Movie.
>These are not on the soundtrack disc for the first movie.  If anyone
>knows, please scream.
>1) When "D" sends second report to "Captain Harlock", there was some
>kind of slow marching (?) music.
>2) When C-ko was captured and sleeping in the alien ship.  Classical sounding.
>3) The music played when the helicopter ( possibly the tackist looking 
>transportation device ever imagined or actually produced ) shows up for
>the first time to pick up C-Ko.
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I'm not sure about the first one, but aren't these different renditions of
the end theme?
From: kilpatri@nextnet.csus.edu (Joseph Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Charles Barklay(sp?)
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:21:58 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <1992Aug13.140714.14328@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome Chan) writes:
>
>  I was watching David Lettermen last night while doing my laundry and I
>saw this advertisement. It showed Godzilla tromping Tokyo, Mothra, etc
>and then switched over to this huge, grim faced Charles Barklay. The
>advert then switches back to Godzilla, who dons a pair of glasses.
>Something about being settled on Sep 9 was being mumbled. (I was kinda
>sleepy.) And then the words Nike. Was I dreaming?
>
>  Godzilla Vs Charles Barklay??

Believe it.  It's Godzilla vs. Barkley.  And I don't care how buff he is,
by it's time for Brother Charles to take Gozilla to school...There's gonna
be a clinic in session, Professor Barkley teaching.
 
Here's how it's gonna go...Gozilla will try to breath fire or death rays
or something, Charles will stick and elbow in Godzilla's face, and Godzilla
will go down... nuff said...
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