HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rkolker@nuchat.sccsi.com (Rich Kolker)
Subject: Re: Status of future Mir modules
Organization: South Coast Computing Services, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:54:19 GMT

In article <26JAN93.13023433@isdmnl.wr.usgs.gov> nbridges@isdmnl.wr.usgs.gov writes:
>Does anyone know the status of the Priroda and Spekter modules that have been
>slated as the next modules for attachment to Mir?  Last I heard they were
>scheduled for launch in late 1992 or early 1993.  I imagine that with the
>current economic crisis in Russia money allocated for Mir is tight.  Perhaps
>they have been delayed due to the budget.
>   Also, I thought an Israeli cosmonaut was supposed to be launched to Mir
>aboard Soyuz TM-16.  However, Soyuz TM-16, launched a few days ago, only
>contained two Russians.  Has the Israeli flight been cancelled or delayed?
>                                                           Nathan Bridges
>                                                           Menlo Park, CA

I friend who talks to the cosmonauts by ham radio says they say the
French have agreed to purchase a "Mir" module for attachment to
the complex.  I don't know if this is a spare Mir core or
the Priroda or Spektr.  This conversation
took place late last week, so we haven't been able to get any
more info yet.

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Newsgroups: sci.space
From: gawne@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Mir mission to Mars?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: sci,na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:43:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.212245.20024@stsci.edu>, rdouglas@stsci.edu 
(Rob Douglas) asks:

> So what is it that keeps Mir astronauts alive in Earth orbit?
> Are you saying that some of the Earth's atmosphere protects them
> to an extent that those in interplanetary travel would notice the 
> difference?

The Earth has an extensive magnetic field that deflects charged particles.
Since cosmic rays are charged particles then Mir is protected from them.
Not to say there is no cosmic ray flux at Mir, just a lot less than 
it would experience in interplanetary flight.

-Bill Gawne,  Space Telescope Science Institute
From: lpham@eis.calstate.edu (Lan Pham)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: JPL Anonymous FTP Site
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:55:34 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Hello every body.

A few weeks ago I saw an article in this newsgroup regarding an anonymous ftp
site of nasa.gov where we can get gif files of latest images.
Unfortunately, I did not save that article. If any one has a record of it,
please repost or send it directly to me to save the bandwidth. I really
appreciate.
Thank you very much.

lanpham



baalke@kelvin.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Ron Baalke) writes:
> Forwarded from:
> PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
> JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
> CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
> NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
> PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
> 
>                            JPL Pubinfo
>                          January 20, 1993
> 
> A public access computer site containing information on and
> images from missions conducted by NASA's Jet Propulsion 
> Laboratory has been opened by the JPL Public Information 
> Office.
> 
> The site may be reached by modem over phone lines, or by file
> transfer protocol (ftp) over Internet.
> 
> Contents of the site include:
> 
>      -- JPL news releases, status reports, fact sheets and
>         other data on JPL missions.
> 
>      -- Images from JPL missions as GIF computer files.
>         These may be displayed on various makes of computers;
>         viewing software may also be downloaded.
> 
>      -- Back issues of JPL's in-house newspaper, Universe.
> 
> In addition, teacher materials provided by the JPL Public 
> Education Office are planned to be added shortly.
> 
> Public users of the site currently may connect to it by the
> following methods:
> 
>      -- By modem over commercial telephone lines to 
>         +1 (818) 354-1333.  Set parameters to no parity, 8 data
>         bits, 1 stop bit.  This line supports speeds up to 9600
>         bps with the v32/v42bis/MNP5 error correction and 
>         compression protocols, and supports up to two callers
>         simultaneously.
> 
>      -- Users with Internet access can use anonymous ftp to
>         pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2).  Log on as user
>         ANONYMOUS, then send your city and state (city and
>         country if other than USA) as the password (commas
>         and spaces are ok, up to a total of 15 characters).
> 
> For more information on this site, please call 
> (818) 354-7170.
> 
> [Note to Internet users:  Although this site is not intended
> to support interactive communication, your comments or
> questions are welcome via email to newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov.]
> 
>                               #####
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>     /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
From: grimm@aio.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Keith A. Grimm)
Subject: Re: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Reply-To: ricks@berkeley.edu
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:37:47 GMT

In article <5=r30mh@rpi.edu>, gallas2@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Sean Michael Gallagher) writes:
|> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >Just a reminder- 7 years ago today- 11:38am EST....
|> >So, where were you when the Challenger disaster took place?
|> >It was during my sophomore of high school, and I was in English class
|> >when they told us.
|> >No tribute of any sort was allowed, nor could we openly talk about it
|> >without some sort of negative reaction from administrators.
|> >I remember it well, I even got in 'trouble' for this.
|> >Pro-space exploration views were not welcome.
|> >At least now things have improved.
|> >Simon
|
I was watching the launch in the conference room here at JSC.  I had worked for
 NASA for 6 months.  51-L was the first flight I worked with in one of the
 simulators here.  I knew some of the crew.  They were wonderful people.
 

Keith A. Grimm
NASA-JSC
Houston, TX  77058
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 20:50:09 EST
From: Michael Petersen <IO20721@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Galileo update?

Could someone tell me if NASA has successfully deployed the high-gain
antenna on Galileo yet?   I heard that their most "aggressive" attempts
would occur after the the last Earth flyby.

  Thanks!

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: University of Maine/Orono :   Bitnet: IO20721@MAINE              :
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Newsgroups: sci.space
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: DC-1 eventual construction question...
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:44:36 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan26.024338.10181@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:

>If Uncle Sam doesn't pay for the initial development of the Y vehicle
>(and possibly DC1) it won't happen. Period.

That is by no means certain.  Lockheed was ready to proceed with an 
SSTO using its own money, if the government was willing to get out
of the way.  Grumman was prepared to go ahead with the development
of a smaller, commercial SSTO (Frequent Flyer) using its own funds, 
if SDIO had selected its proposal for the suborbital demonstration 
phase.  Boeing is prepared to go ahead with an SSTO project, if it
can be shown what the markets are.  

McDonnell Douglas found that the Japanese were willing to finance
the development of DC-Y, provided they got access to the technology
as well as a piece of the action (something the US State Department
would probably never allow).


>One DC-1 would be enough for almost all of the current launch market.

That's because you're looking at the wrong market.  Any vehicle that
can reach orbit, single-staged, can reach Japan or Tokyo as well.  There
is a market for fast transportation, for people as well as cargo.  Beyond
that, space tourism is a major market -- much more so than the satellite
launch market, according to G. Harry Stine.


>BTW, it turns out that at least two other contractors have developed
>SSTO designs. 

Five that I'm aware of, if you include assisted (air-launched) single-
stage-to-orbit.  (I assume you're limiting yourself to designs produced
in the last couple years.)



Newsgroups: sci.space
From: rhealey@rogue.digibd.com (Rob Healey)
Subject: Re: Next  unmanned missions to Venus *
Organization: DigiBoard Inc., Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:42:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.063904.27492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) writes:
|> Hmmm, well, I guess if we were to make any kind of serious exploration of
|> Venus's  surface we would have to develop electronics componants that
|> operate comforably at 900f. And metals that can protect the inards of the
|> probe from terrential sulfuric acid down-poors..
|> How WOULD we do that by the way? Anyone know??
|> 
	Remove the atmosphere of course... That might be quite a chore
	tho, kind of an anti-greenhouse effect device. A monster vacuum
	like in SpaceBall's maybe? B^).

		-Rob
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
Subject: Re: So what's happened to Henry Spencer?
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:27:03 GMT

In article <C1EntC.1Fw@wm.estec.esa.nl> hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh  
D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands)) writes:
> In article <schumach.727849241@convex.convex.com>, schumach@convex.com  
(Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
> |>Does anyone know why Henry Spencer has not posted recently?
> |>His were consistently the most interesting, informative
> |>and terse posts. What a shame if the intemperate remark by
> |>that Harvard snotnose drove him away...
> |>
> |>
> 
> Perhaps he is on vacation - with Elvis?
> 
> Hugh Evans	-	hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl

Elvis is not on vacation.  According to Douglas Adams' latest book
"Mostly Harmless" he is singing in a club he bought on the planet
King.  When Ford Prefect asked Elvis if he was abducted by space aliens, 
he replied "No.  I went voluntarily."
--
Thomas Clarke
Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
Xref: sparky sci.space:19709 sci.astro:14341 alt.sci.planetary:600
From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Mir mission to Mars?
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:11:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

...perhaps the Russians should have tried to boost interest in their space
program in the West by launching a manned flyby mission to Mars?! A fully
fuelled Energia should be powerful enough to launch a Mir space station with
supplies for a crew of two plus a Proton rocket for course corrections. In
addition, a Soyuz capsule for return to Earth would be needed, and probably an
additional module for storing supplies and equipment.
---
The entire mission would last one year, with a close Martian flyby + course
correction some six months after launch. As I see it, we would obtain a lot of
valuable information from doing it. For example, how do humans cope with the 
psychological strains of an interplanetary mission, being totally cut-off 
from Earth for months? We would also learn a lot about guiding a manned
spacecraft millions of kilometers from Earth and similar things necessary for
launching a full-scale Mars mission.
---
I can't see any technical problems. The Energia is relatively untested but the
crew would rendezvous with the Mir/Energia combination in orbit and not be
aboard during the launch. The Suyuz
was designed for lunar missions and should be able to withstand the higher
temperatures of an atmospheric re-entry from interplanetary space. The weakest
link? Perhaps the Mir station itself. Its systems have been unreliable for most
of the missions in Earth orbit.  

MARCU$

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Computer Science
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Finland
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Precursors to Fred (was Re: Sabatier Reactors.)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:12:18 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1993Jan26.222349.29804@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
> In article <1993Jan26.101810.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:
>>Therefore it's important to develop a
>>program of experiments and useful techniques, make mistakes, etc. Then
>>when experiments are flown aboard Fred, they won't be starting from
>>scratch and they will have a greater chance of success. 
> 
> I assert that if the station fails because Spacelab spent the $$ which
> should have gone to proper integration testing then they will have a
> lesser degree of success.

This is an irrelevant bait-and-switch argument.  You can't prove that
the Spacelab budget steals from Freedom's integration-testing budget.
"I assert that if the station fails because the U.S. government
subsidies to rootabaga farmers spent the $$ which should have gone to
proper integration testing then they will have a lesser degree of
success."  

If you want to have a discussion about integration testing, fine, but
that's not the subject here and I can't see how it connects to a
program of getting your experiments, and experimenters, ready to use
Fred's laboratories.

Bill Higgins                           | "I shop at the Bob and Ray
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory  | Giant Overstocked Surplus
Bitnet:           HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET  | Warehouse in one convenient
Internet:       HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV  | location and save money besides
SPAN/Hepnet:           43011::HIGGINS  | being open every evening until 9."
From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland III)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Handling Antimatter
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:09:40 GMT
Organization: Clemson University


How do you handle anti-matter?

Vewy carefuwy!   uhuhuhuhuh.


COME AND GET IT!  FLAME MATERIAL!!!!!!!


-- 
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From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Precursors to Fred (was Re: Sabatier Reactors.)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:20:27 GMT
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

In article <1k6ndgINNl2j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:

>>No, Dennis it trying to convince me that space stations cannot be built
>>without doing lots of Spacelab flights.

>So how do you suggest NASA tests hardware and flight procedures before Freedom
>goes up? 

I would suggest that NASA fly a whole lot more flights where EVA and
construction methods are experimented with. They should also spend
money providing better integration testing of the station. Better
mining Russian Mir experience and more LDEF like flights wouldn't
hurt either.

That way you have a lot more confidence that the station can actually
be build. When it is in orbit then you have lots and lots of time to
make the experiemnts work at far less cost.

A space station which doesn't work isn't a good experimental platform.

  Allen
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|  aws@iti.org     |  nothing undone"                                       |
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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Space Education/News/Adds
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:06:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1993Jan26.190640.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Sounds liek what is needed is to convince the US population that Space is where
we need to go.. Sounds like NASA needs to spend more on Public Relations.

Maybe get a news network involved. maybe have them do some mnor sponsorship of
some space related high profile TV programs/Cable to. Such as Star Trek
(TNG/DS9). I am finding that if a major news netowrk is on your side, you can
do alot of things.. REF: Clinton.. and somewhat Perot.. I know of other third
party candidates who can't get to square one, but Perot comes out of obscurity
to where people want to know what he ate for breakfast..

Maybe also try to have some space/science programs on mainlien TV..
Also start or help local quality TV organizations, namely cause of what I have
seen the basic bent for modern TV is a prime help for the lack of science in
the current crop of students.. 
Im not talking violence, Im talking about who is cool and who is not..
Scientists many times are not cool, they are egghead, nerds, geeks and such..
Bumbling social idiots.. (I might be wrong)..

==
Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad2.alaska.edu
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Sabatier Reactors.
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:21:52 -0500
Organization: UDSI
Distribution: world
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|From: redin@lysator.liu.se

|-In sci.space you write:
|Freedom decided not to use methane thrusters.  so instead they are
|-throwing out waste CO2  and importing hydrazine.  failure oriented
|-management wins again.  someone thought methane thrusters were
|-too risky.
|Methane more risky then hydrazine? but, but, but, oh well :-(
|I simply dont understand the US pork barrels. Couldent they have
|launched 4-5 miniature stations with single shuttle flights to test
|things out? The first 1-2 is junk and cannot be habitable and are
|scuttled after the shuttle flight, next 3-4 can be manned between
|two flights or more and number 5 - n can be bolted to a truss and
|you have your tested, safe freedom with bells and whistles that _work_.
|You will get at least as much pork and much more space station.
|Why in hell are they stuck inside CAD simulations and paperbins?
|Magnus Redin  Lysator Academic Computer Society  redin@lysator.liu.se
|Mail: Magnus redin, Rydsv{gen 240C26, 582 51 LINK|PING, SWEDEN

The problem is not that methane is risky.  We have been using methane
industrially for 150 years.  but that SSF management said, no-one has ever
space qualified a methane oxygen thruster so damn if we will.
Failure oriented management.   

and as for the other idea,  i guess that's what skylab was.  of course
now NASA is such an arthritic bureaucracy, i dont think they really want
to fly packages so much as study them.  actually  who needs to build
mini stations.  for small items test them in the shuttle cargo bay,
for longer duration, test them on MIR.

but that would be too easy, i guess.

pat
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: pbrown@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: NORAD and METEOROIDS
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:24:00 GMT

Here is an open question I hope someone can help me with. After several
months of trying to pursue this from "normal" channels I have become
quite frustrated.
On Oct 9, 1992 at 2349 UTC, a bright meteor was seen over the Eastern
USA. The remains of the body hit a parked car in Peekskill, N.Y. The
event created a great deal of publicity and many of you have likely 
heard about the event.
Our University group has been following up the positional data gleaned
from videotape recordings made on the night of the event. These are quite
helpful and have answered many outstanding questions in fireball dynamics.
Already, this event has become one of the most documented (if not THE most
documented) fireball/meteorite events. 
In an effort to complete the data "loop" and gather all avaliable 
information about the event we have tried contacting NORAD and seeing
what radar data might be avaliable on the event. Basically we have found out
that they detected the object, but little else. That radar data when
coupled with the videotapes (some 27 in all) AND the recovered meteorite
could add immensely to our general understanding of reentry problems,
fireball dynamics etc. In many ways the information about the event could
be useful from NORAD's standpoint, once all the analysis is done.
Now, we have tried to get the data or at least someone to tell us directly
that we can't have it without any luck. What options might I have? Is there
anyone out there who might have a contact that could help us with this
problem?
Any suggestions would be appreciated, as the data currently stands to be
lost altogether on a most unique event, unless someone intervenes.
As a side question, would anyone know where DMSP data can be obtained
from?
Please send email replies to the address below.
Thank You
email:Pbrown@hydra.uwo.ca
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From: ralex@lclark.edu (Roger Alexander)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Subject: Re: Sabatier Reactors.
Keywords: microgravity
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:04:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan28.120416.1211
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

>Also for your information, NASA has been flying station precursors for
>over ten years now. They are called Spacelab.  Also the new SpaceHab will
>be flying on STS-57 in April.  These are dependent on Shuttle for
>utilities, but are doing the most important SSF precursor work, which is
>the experiments for microgravity.  Also NASA has sponsored COMET, which will
>fly in March, which is a free flying microgravity laboratory with a return
>module for returning samples that have been through their process cycle.

Do you know where on Internet I might find people discussing microgravity
research in detail? What's the state of such research right now? Who's doing
it, where, and how long has it been going on, that kind of thing...

thanks...

  - Roger    ralex@lclark.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space
From: shanleyl@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: THE DIVINE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:06:03 GMT

oh...