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From: mon@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m.t.shareshian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AMC: Does Erica Deserve An Emmy?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:48:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Nov13.004805.6671
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov12.094941.20212@utkux1.utk.edu>, mroberts@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (Mary K.) writes:
> I really feel sorry for Susan Lucci--always winning a nomination, but
> never winning the prize!  I think someone posted that she has been
> nominated for an award for 13 years!  I don't know if this is accurate
> or not, but after so many years of losing, I can't help but wonder
> "why?"
> 
> Although I like the character of Erica, and I think Lucci does a
> wonderful job, I really think the character is quite superficial, but
> then, that's part of her charm.  Mayber if the character were given more
> depth?  No?
> 
> I think some of her best dramatic scenes in the past few years were: 
> 
> 1.  When she was in the chapel praying for Bianca's life (was this after
>     the fire?)  It was a real tear-jerker for me.
> 
> 2.  When she finally got to tell her father what it was like growing up
>     without him.  (I was deeply moved by this)
> 
> 3.  When she cut Jack down to size, telling him that he was not without
>     fault and that he should put his ego in check--that her every little
>     deed was not a calculated move to get him back, that she was over
>     him.  (That was one time I remember shouting at the TV -- "Go on,
>     girl!  It's about time! etc., etc.)
> 
> I like her comic antics with Adam, also.  But is this enough?  Should
> she have won the award?  Comments, please.  (Feel free to add to the
> list)

Aaa ... I dunno bout that.  I really like the E character but 
honestly think SL botches a lot of opportunities to turn a moment
into gold.  If I had to take a stab at her biggest problem I'd 
say she's too over-reactive.  Although sometimes she teeters and 
almost does clinche it.  But I do think she's at her best with 
the Adam character.

My husband and I sat to watch her on Letterman the other night
and the first thing he said was "so you think she's *really*
like Erica?".  (The second thing he said was "holy sh*t, check
out THIS get-up".)  ;-)

Mon
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		So, how much can I get away with and still go to heaven?  
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From: dyrda@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Buchanan Brigadier)
Subject: Re: AMC: Couples -- YOU Decide!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:12:03 GMT

>In article <1992Nov9.092157.2293@utkux1.utk.edu> mroberts@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (Mary K.) writes:
>What man, if any, would you like to see paired with the following women?
>(And "why?")
>1.  Angelique

 Jack, so they can can take a break on this dumb syoryline.

>2.  Brooke

 Jaime, who'd want this winer?? :-)

>3.  Dixie

 Brian and a .357 slug into both of them! :)

>4.  An-Li

 Come join Brian and Dixie An Li!

>5.  Erica

 Adam, Adam, Adam. These two have the best chemistry on the soap.

>6.  Hayley

 ME!, actually I liked her with Will, she's so paranoid and dull now,
at least when she was with Will she could act, now the show has her
do dumb things that seem out of character.

>7.  Livia

 Keep her with Tom, BTW Does anybody care about this storyline anymore?

>8.  Taylor

 Terrence, another Fire and Ice.

>9.  Natalie

 Keep her off the screen and keep her with Trevor, he's the dumb one
who's stuck with her.

>10  Galen

 I'm sooory but I'd have to say Steven.

>11  Myrtle

 Trask!

>12  Phoebe

 Edmund, make the Phoebster into an animal.

>13  Ruth

 Joe, like there gonna set her up with anyone else.

>14  Gloria

 Tad, so it'll drive Dixie crazy!

>15  Mimi

 Dimitri, hey they worked good together as boss/employee!

>16  Helga

 Mario Cuomo! Hey Helga wouldn't mind carousing the Supreme Court
now would she?

Richard Dyrda        "Help I'm trapped in a place called Idaho!!!"
=======================================================================
"Its not that Bush lost....its that stupidity won.." by Bill Guinee
                    Buchanan/Kempthorne in '96!!
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From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL: In Defense of Carly
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:49:16 GMT

In article <19921105015319EFS6MEF@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> ecz5mxr@mvs.oac.ucla.edu writes:
The very correct Susan Hagan, from the most excellent Rutgers U. had said:
>>Really.  I'm starting to wonder about this group.
>>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu)
>>
>Susan,  You really don't have to wonder about this group.  A lot
>of us find the character of Carly obnoxious (at best).  If you like
>her, that's fine.  We won't "wonder" about you :-)  But I will say


What Susan is wondering about isn't the people in this group itself.
It's this driving force that seems to exist that relentlessly works
to demean the character of Carly in every sense imaginable.  It isn't
good enough that Susan says she is "boring", or "not that great".  
Anything less than "Carly is the anti-Christ" is deemed unacceptable.
Believe me, I cannot believe I am sticking up for this character, but 
I also cannot believe the things some people here are coming up with.


>that I continue to object to the now infamous pool table scene.  You
>seem to forget that Carly chose to strip in a PUBLIC bar, and f***
                                                               ^^^^^
>her boyfriend on a pool table in what we can only assume was in full


You know, it's interesting that those of you who were offended by 
the pool table scene are the ones that are now becoming offensive
about it.  You may want to use vulgarities to describe it, but again,
that is your perception.  


>But, I'm preaching to the converted and so are you.  I'll never like
>that scene and obviously you, or others, do.  To each his own.


As Susan has said, I don't think anyone particularly "liked" this 
scene.  And if someone did, that is fine.  But it also isn't grounds
to go around making rape comparisons and calling a woman a whore.  
Vickie, you say that CC has let down womem by doing that scene.  Well,
I think you have let down women by jumping to such conclusions so 
readily.  [Oh, I'm going to pay dearly for this one.  There goes my
postcard from Europe.]  :-)


>Razzie (who would fight for your right to disagree with the majority)

Maybe *you'll* send me a postcard?  Whaddyasay?  :)

Tim
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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: In Defense of Carly
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:30:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak) writes:

>In article <1d9tnpINNq27@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:


>I'm sorry if this sounds like a flame.  And kudos to Susan H. for
>pointing out a lot of things I didn't address here.  Hey folks, so
>Carly is pretty bad, no one is saying she isn't right now.  But no
>single person is all bad, or all good for that matter.  Like Jeff
>said, there are plenty of things to belittle Carly about.  We really
>don't have to fabricate.  Oh, and I loved the "witch hunt" reference.
>Let's not make Salem 1992 like the Salem of 1692!!!

Thanks Tim.  I also want to point out that I'm not flaming anyone 
either.  I understand that no one likes Carly, but this group has
reduced her to Satan's Spawn.  It seems like no matter what the woman
does, some people on this group will find a way to make it a horrible
thing.  Granted, she does a lot of horrible things, but that doesn't
mean that everything she does is horrible.

I think that the main reason that some of you find the pool room scene
so offensive is because it involved Carly.  I'll bet that if it involved
another couple, you wouldn't feel this way.  What if HMSs Jack and Jennifer
boinked on a pool table?  Would you have the same reaction? I don't
think so.  You may not like it, but you would say "poor J&J - can't
the writers give them a good scene"  Even if you found out later that
Melissa Reeves choreographed the scene?  You'd still forgive her.

The point is, hate Carly if you want to, but I think we should be
fair and hate her for legitimate things.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: AW: The less the better!!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:46:03 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: connie@uga.edu (Connie M. Doss)
Subject: Re: AW: The less the better!!!!
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:30:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.142836.22633@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> 22302LMK@MSU writes:
>Well how many of you have noticed that Dean & Jenna are on less these days!!!!
>I can't wait until they just phase these two out of existence.
>
>
>Lisa

Well I just read in the 93 sneak peaks that Jenna and Dean are gonna
break up cause his music career is going no where then she discovers she
is pregnant and takes comfort in Ryans arms.

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh no not that, the JennaThing gets pregnant. Oh my god not Ryan, not the hunk
of Bay City........How can Ryan have anything to do with Jenna on an intimate
nature....oh the room is spinning I am going to be ill, tell me it isn't so.

Lisa
*Tossing major cookies over this spoiler8-(*
From: dias@cac.washington.edu (Vivian Dias )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Do you know who killed Frank?
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:17:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov7.001704.2183
Distribution: na
Organization: UW Computing

In article <92303.152146NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Nelson Broat <NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> In article <Bwtty3.KsJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip
> Russell) says:
> >
> >Does anyone have any idea who killed Frank?
> >
> >Last week, it looked like it was the waitress from the diner.
> >
> >This really seemed like a hard clue the writers were laying out for
> >the viewers.
> 
> I agree. And yesterday in the court room she had this "I'm so ashamed of
> myself" look on her face. Like she was going to jump out of her seat at any
> moment and confess. But if this happens, how will they explain BJ remembering
> taking a shower and cleaning the gun?
> 
> Nelson

  BJ and Frank were struggling on the mesa and they dropped the gun.  Dolly
  (insert favorite silly soap opera reason for people being where they're
  not suppose to be here) followed BJ, saw the struggle, picked up the gun, shot
  Frank, dashed back to the diner in time to whip out a couple of burgers to
  go.  BJ, in a daze, picks up the gun (who wouldn't) and, naturally, takes
  it back to the motel room and gives it a bath.  How's that for neat and tidy?
  -Vivian
From: gibbsm@ll.mit.edu (MargAret D. Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: OLTL: Update for Tuesday, 11/10
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:01:11 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab, Lexington, MA

In article <1992Nov11.095033.10724@tronsbox.xei.com> trish@tronsbox.xei.com (Trish) writes:
>In article <Ef05Mba00WBLE5gxhR@andrew.cmu.edu> jt3j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Allyson Turner) writes:
>>WHAT'S IN A NAME?
>>1) What does CJ stand for?
>
>It stands for Clint Junior.

I thought it was Cord, Jr.

Other than that, I agree with Trish's answers.


-- 
Margaret D. Gibbs              "Practice random kindness and 
Assistant Staff	                 senseless acts of beauty"
MIT Lincoln Laboratory
gibbsm@ll.mit.edu
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From: nbaym@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Baym)
Subject: Re: R.a.t.s. NOT in Times today
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:15:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.162740.28155@ll.mit.edu> gibbsm@ll.mit.edu (MargAret D. Gibbs) writes:
>In article <97205@netnews.upenn.edu> isler@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Sylvia Isler) writes:
>>A special section was printed in the Sunday times about computers. In
>>it were two brief articles on online bulletin boards. The internet was
>>not mentioned. The articles spoke of America Online, Prodigy, and
>>computerserve.  There were no bylines and Grimes' name was not
>>mentioned. 
>
>I just went to the library again and checked out Wednesday's and
>Thursday's NY Times - no article. :-(  I then checked the Sunday
>Times and saw the same article that Sylvia did.  I think only the
>commercial networks/bulletin boards were mentioned, because the
>whole pullout section was advertisements.  I'm hoping that Grimes
>knew this advert was going out on Sunday, and was thinking of 
>writing a follow-up article on *non-commercial* networks like
>Usenet.  Nancy, do you know?
>



Frankly, I don't think Grimes knows when the article will come out. He
said on the phone yesterday that it's basically done but that he was doing
a little more with it. My understanding is that he is not particularly 
interested in the networks per se, but in the idea of fan subcultures 
developing on the networks. I know he's looked at Prodigy also and didn't
really know what USENET was exactly (but then who does?). Anyway, I don't
know if he knew anything about the commerical networks ads, but I don't think
the article is related to them.

He seemed especially excited by the idea that writers may be reading the
discussions.  					      ^^^

But you know, journalism is journalism and newspapers get put together at
the last minute every day, so who knows when this will appear or what will
be in it. But I think since he called me twice it's very likely that he'll
mention r.a.t.s. and again I SWEAR I will post about it the minute it
does show up.

Nancy


-- 
Nancy Baym  (N-Baym@uiuc.edu)  	"Education is the only place where people try 
Speech Communication/U of I      to get the least for their money"    --my mom
From: mitch@cdthq.UUCP (Mitch Harris)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 09:19:59 CST
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

patstew@oz.plymouth.edu (Pat Steward) writes:

> In article <5NOV199207273173@mrl.arc.nasa.gov> holst@mrl.arc.nasa.gov (Laura 
> >
> >(BTW, the role of Clay Alden is being played by Dennis (someone)
> >in Larkin Malloy's absense :)
> 
> Hi, I'm one of the AMC crossover people!
> 
> Does anyone know why Larkin Malloy is absent???  I've only been
> reading the "LOV" headings for about two weeks and haven't seen any
> related discussion.
> 
> Not that I miss him, mind, after having gotten rid of his nostril-
> flaring face from AMC just recently!
> -- 
> Pat Martin Steward                          patstew@oz.plymouth.edu
> I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express senti-
> ments that differentiate me from a doormat.       Rebecca West, 1913
Hi, Pat! I read in some soap "rag" that he was taking a short medical leave. 
It wasn't more specific than that. (Maybe he's having nostril-surgery :) )

........Beverly H.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: 22302LMK@MSU
Subject: Re: AW - Vicky and Grant
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:44:52 EST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: agonzale@wam.umd.edu (Cleopatra Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: AW - Vicky and Grant
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:03:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


	Will Vicky REALLY marry Grant?  In a way they are a good
	couple, but I feel sorry for Ryan.  Also, has anyone noticed
	that Ryan has been looking especially handsome lately?

>Grant and Vicky deserve each other. But I do feel for Ryan. I just hope that
the Jenna monster and he DON'T get together that would make me toss my cookies
royal8-(

I hope Jamie gets his too, But I think Jakes has been exceptionally good in his
scenes the past few weeks.

>>Lisa

	P.S.  Oooohh, I hope St. Jamie gets it!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: mins@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (timothy.j.mizerak)
Subject: Re: DOOL: Comments (offensive and full of bitching)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:18:33 GMT

In article <1dbu64INNbaf@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@remarque.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>
>Okay if you do not wish to read more complaints stop now.


Are you kidding???  :)

>Well Sue I am offended by your posts since in mine I flamed a
>character and an actress, you flamed we folks who felt a certain
>way about the scene. 


Sally, I think I speak for Sue as well when I say that this isn't
what was intended.  We both were careful to insert disclaimers to
try to avoid just such a misunderstanding.  What we were attacking
was an opinion, a viewpoint, and not a person [or people].  I suppose
it gets hard to tell the difference when everyone feels so strongly.
The way I see it, you all threw your views on this matter onto the 
table, and some of us dove in.  


>Secondly, if J&J did the scene I would be
>VERY upset since I would have found it tackey, in fact more so
>what with Jack's background. I would take offense that Matt
>and Missy dared to do a scene like that. That Jack would *uck his


Well, both Coleen and MJ have said that they would have been happy
to see such a scene for J&J.  I think this goes to show that it 
isn't *what* happened in that scene, it is *who* was doing it.  And
MJ went on to say just why she didn't like the scene because it was
Bo and Carly, and that is just fine.  I don't think anyone has even
come out and said that they particularly liked the scene.  We're 
just taking exception to some of the labelling that has been going
down and what we think is a misrepresentation of the events.


>Sally--I am no fuckin' prude. I take offense that I am being labeled
>as one with out fully knowing, but labelling my because of what I
>have posted


Oh Sally dear, I *know* you're not a prude.  ;-)   But I do think your
comments on this topic were on the prudish side.  That's just IMO, 
because what is prudish to one may not be to another.  So, why don't
you just have a drink and come on over here.  I'll let you tie me up 
to my foosball [sp?] table!  ;-)  

Tim
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Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 10:27:41 -0500 
From: Mary Zoys <mz0v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: ATWT: RE: Stever's reply

>In <cexf8VK00iV243R6Uc@andrew.cmu.edu> Mary Zoys <mz0v+@andrew.cmu.edu>
writes:
>>>In <Iewh3u200iV0Q2GldH@andrew.cmu.edu> mz0v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mary Zoys)
>>writes:
>>>>Stever
>>> 
>>>>5'6"
>>> 
>>>>Any other questions???
>>> 
>>>Do I get to measure your legs?
>>> 
>>>stever
>> 
>>Uh, I think i'll have to do an "x blocks the square" on this one. My SO
>>would definately be unhappy with you. You'll just have to settle for a
>>view of them from afar :)
> 
>Now wait a minute.  I find that totally unacceptable.  That remark smacks
>of sanity.  This just isn't the place for that.
 
stever
 
Ok, OK - you're right, I guess I just lost my head there for a minute.
Maybe I need some of the striped pills. I've been upset lately because
Queerhair is alive and talking. 

Mary
From: z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: DOOL HELP
Summary: DOOL ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:39:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Nov12.103949.1791
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Could someone fill me in on what has happned on Days on Wed, Thurs I
would appreciate it.
From: jreeves@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jacki.A.Reeves)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: GL: self-centered characters
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:58:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR, E&M Dayton

In article <Bx7vyL.MHy@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, dooley@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Lois-Anna Dooley) writes:


> Granted, I do find his inability to admit that he loves Blake 
> to be realistic, but it still irritates the heck out of me.  
>

>> Well, he's a man.
>

>>>excuse me???
>>>
>>--donald
>
 
> Well, he is!
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> L-A

Exactly.

--JR











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From: "BaByDoLL" <jmeranda@us.oracle.com>
Subject: ATWT:questions (from BaByDoLL:-)
Original-To: PlanB
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:04:40 PST


From:     Karen Williams <HQSUN1:ski@ivy.Princeton.EDU>
Subject:  ATWT:questions
Reply-To: HQSUN1:ski@ivy.Princeton.EDU

*****************************************

HIYA, KIDS ..................... HIYA ...

I have a few questions:

Does Cabin know that Jetson is deaderthandead?

Does Frantic care that Barbed is mad at her, now?  I certainly don't.

I have so little respect to Carolegs now.  What could she have
found so amusing about Cabin and Philippe that she wanted to
be with both of them AT THE SAME TIME?

Who took the photo?  Frieda und Karl?

Was Inez drugged that she didn't hear a gunshot on the other side
of a paper thin wall?

Why doesn't SaBoink punch 'Nail where his incision is?

How did VICtrolla get away without being rubbed out?

BaByDolL
From: Alice.Cramer@mixcom.mixcom.com (Alice.Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SIS: who's the oldest?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:59:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

In <1992Nov11.190000.21361@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bab2@nestor.uucp (80700s-barter) writes:

>In article <0f01Y3K00UzxE31ZpK@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Erica A. Lipasti" <el1q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> I'm just wondering what everyone else thinks on this.  Who is supposed
>> to be the oldest sister?  Looking at the flashbacks, it is obvious 
>> that Frankie is the youngest, and Georgie is the second youngest.  But
>> who is supposed to be the oldest--Teddy or Alex?  Alex looks older, but
>> their younger versions of them look to be about the same age, and their
>> doughters are supposed to be the same age, also.  Has it ever been 
>> mentioned on the show?

>> Erica
>I thought it went Georgie, Alex, Teddy and Frankie last.  I figured
>Georgie must be the oldest since everyone always looks to her for
>support, help, direction, etc.  But Alex does look older.  

>Beth

In the first episode or so when they were deciding to sell the home they grew
up in, there was shown a rose trellis where their father planted a rose bush
for each of them. He named the rose bushes after the girls. The order of birth
is(from oldest to youngest):

	ALEX
	TEDDY
	GEORGIE
and	FRANKIE

The reason that everyone looked to Georgie while they were growing up (and
now) is she was the MOST domestic/responsible one.  Remember their mother is
an alcoholic. Georgie had a knack and love for the traditional domestic skills
like cooking etc.  She 'took over' when Mom was unable to perform, however,
she is NOT the oldest.

Just a few shows ago we saw how Alex (the big sis already at college) was
going to set up her underclassmen sister, Georgie (or something like that).

Both Alex and Teddie had almost 20 year old children. Teddie got pregnant
young and Alex waited until after Wade(the jerk!) finished med. school( I
think).  Georgie and her husband have only been married 13 or so years(they
said on the anniversery ep. but I can't remember exactly only that it was at
most in the teens).

There are more examples but I don't have time to write them all(thank
goodness) but I am positive the above is the correct birth order.

I hope this helps!  :) :)

 





-- 
Alice Cramer      Alice.Cramer@mixcom.com

"The greatest right in the world is the right to be wrong."
                                - Harry Weinberger