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From: mgb5528@cc.utah.edu (Beck, Michael Gregory)
Subject: Re: parking meters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 10 Nov 1992 12:00 MST  

In article <BxIGs0.3Iv@news.udel.edu>, webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes...
{In article <1992Nov9.162310.24258@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> tlund@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Thomas Lund) writes:
{>	Ever feel sorry for those poor parking meter cops who have to give
{>tickets all down that line of cars downtown?  Help them out a little next
{>time you see them by putting a nickel in every (expired) meter down the
{>street.
{>
{>-o-<<
{ 
{	Hate to be the one to break this to you but, that is ILLEGAL.
{Iv'e heard stories of people doing that and getting tickets and fines
{and arrested for interfereing with the duties of an officer.  
{DO NOT TRY THIS.  Hate to hear that someone was arrested from the net
{because of this post.
{ 
{					Webb
{ 
  Why is feeding the meter illegal?  I don't understand.  All that you are 
doing is giving the people who are parked some more time. 8^)

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Newsgroups: alt.shenanigans
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Traffic Violations
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.050427.22672@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>I was riding with a friend one day when he was pulled over for speeding
>(50 in a 30 -- ouch!).  Anyhow, he got the ticket, and unfortunately
>decided to plead no contest.  I'd like to see how the town court would
>have handled it if my friend had contested the case because he hadn't
>been read his Miranda rights!
>
If your friend wasn't arrested, there was no need to read him his rights.



Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:01:21 GMT

In article <Bx8ACt.9pw@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:
>Y'know, it's rather weird that people just started posting this "is anyone
>feeling uneasy" thread immediately after the supposed "Rapture" (Otc. 28,
>1992, for those of you not keeping score), after which comes the 
>Tribulation (supposedly).  Suppose there's any connection?
>
Actually, if it's kinda like the "Something big is going on
(cosmically)," there are periodic posts about that all the time...
I got that "uneasy feeling" around this time last year...

Yes, I do think there's a connection to the Rapture movement
(there, that's a polite way of referring to it)... :)  
I think a _lot_ of people and groups are feeling whatever "It" is,
and everyone has a different interpretation of what "It" means.

I do think there really is something really big happening, but your
guess is as good as mine as to what it is...  

:)
Angela
From: jasonp@sunbabe.Prime.COM (Jason Pascucci)
Subject: Re: Manifesto of the Thelemic Golden Dawn
Organization: ComputerVision Services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:55:40 GMT

GRRRR....

This strikes in me a chord which I feel compelled to speak out apon. 

How anyone in good conscious can attempt to usurp the concepts of 
the A.'.A.'. into some bastardized combination of OTO/GD tradition 
is beyond me. 

They miss a simple, and, moreover, obvious point in any investigate 
of the Invisible A.'.A.'., that it's members are de facto and not 
in nomen. No pomp and cicumstance can suceed in enlightenment to 
the ranks of the A.'.A.'. No amount of money can buy you a degree. 
To attempt to impose a worldly structure to mimic the more
other-worldly concepts in the A.'.A.'. is, to my mind, the height 
of idiocy. 

Perhaps I overreact. Perhaps it's not, as I suspect, some half-breed 
attempt to make somebody a pile of money while doling out distressing 
amounts of religious spew which so much of the population seems to 
feel the need to grasp on. Perhaps, even though I doubt this fairly
highly, they are simply practicing some sympethetic magick...as 
above, so below. I would hate to believe, however, that someone 
could actually claim a group of this nature could take the place 
of, hell, could hold a candle to, the A.'.A.'. as concieved. I guess
I feel similarly as to the ranks of unclued 'Rosicrucians', in name. 
There is so much to the Rosicru philosophy and it's religio-mystical 
expression, why anybody must put an empty shell in it's place is 
beyond me. 

At least the OTO does say that it is a 'Worldly' organization,
something the GD never did, and apparently neither does
this inbred-bastard Thelemic Golden Dawn. 

In nomen C.R.C., our Father Beast, our Mother Mary, and the Countless,
unless my judgement is impaired by incorrect assumptions due to 
my own falliablility, I denounce this group, named the Thelemic
Golden Dawn, and it's progenitors, wherever they may be.

Sub Nomen Mihi, S.U.M.

--
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Women vs Men
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:29:12 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>: In the referenced article, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: >oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>: >: 
>: >
>: >member? Are there stylistic requirements? Content requirements? Do
>: >we sign something with a drop of seminal/vaginal emission? Where do
>: >I apply?
>: >
>: 
>: From the tone of your articles I'd say you are already a member.
>
>Oh goody!
>
>Sigh, is humor/sarchasm now banned from the group?

Let's just say that if you act like a wise-ass, you'll be treated
appropriately.

Chris
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Trouble?
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:15:51 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov8.124418.27215@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> 
> : There is a book about the end of the world out which is more believable
> : called _5/5/2000_ which predicts a major disaster on that date based on
> : scientific data.  The theory is:  due to pollution, global warming, etc.
> : ice has been building up at the south pole.  This has been proven by 
> : scientists.  One scientist believes that by the year 2000 there will be
> 
> Sorry, if there is global warming, the ice would be melting, not building
> up. Junior high science will tell you that.

Well, some scientists are claiming that global warming *does* enlarge the
polar cap. The increased warmth increases snow at the poles, and locks more
moisture at the poles, increasing their size. This can even lead to an Ice
Age, folks!

Please don't ask me for their credentials, I don't even remember where I 
read this. I don't think I believe it, either.

--Semhaza
From: knightster+@CMU.EDU (Shawn Clayton Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: The End of the World - Again
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:45:18 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi guys!  I'm back.  I had unsubscribed but a friend told me yinz were
discussing eschatology, one of my pet topics, so here I am.

OK:  Andy Plotkin mentioned "local references" and Dec. 23, 2012.  I
think he meant me. :).  On that day, Baktun 13 ends (when he said 12, he
was also right; similar to how the "1900's" are the "20th Century" in
our calendar).

When the Thirteenth Baktun ends (a Baktun is 144,000 days ~= 400 years),
the Great Cycle ends.  The universe flows in Great Cycles.  At the end
of these, Civilization is destroyed along with the rest of the universe.

We are living in the Fifth Cycle.  The previous ones were destroyed by
Fire, by Water, by Beasts, and by ... ?  Can't remember.  Nor do I
remember the order of those.

Anyhow.  December 22, 2012 is referenced as "13.0.0.0.0" in the Mayan
Long Count calendar.  (Trust me; interested people should see my Mayan
Calendar program I posted long ago.)  This is the last day of the
universe as we know it.  If we interpret this symbolically, the "day
after," the structure of the world in which we live, and civilization,
will have been almost unrecognizably altered.

Do I believe this?  Not necessarily.  Will I be home with loved ones on
those 2 days?  You bet your life.  Will my defenses be up?  Oh yes.

The Mayans were a scientifically advanced civilization.  I find it hard
to imagine their spiritual advancement could have been far behind.  Of
all the predictions for the End Time, I think I trust theirs the most. 
(NB.  Christianity, keeping to the Bible, does not have such a date.  It
tells you how long the Tribulation will be after the Rapture, then how
long the Kingdom lasts, etc.  but has NO indication when all these
things BEGIN.)

Personally, I think the only bearing this all has is this:

When the end of the world eventually happens, be ready.  I'm not going
to tell you to accept Christ - hell, I'm not even a Christian in any
conventional sense of the word - but I would suggest that everyone
should make peace with himself and act according to his True Will (i.e.
Conscience?).  But the things is, why wait?  Start now.  Then when the
BIG DAY happens, your karmic debt or whatever you wish to call it will
be squared away.

Short form:  Don't worry so much about the end of the world.  Worry
about today, and the life you lead.  Lead it to the fullest, magickally
and mundanely, that you possibly can.

That's all for now,

-shawn
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Of giving up and getting on..(was Women vs Men)
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:24:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

This is in response to Peggy's recent bashing of Christianity. I omit
the article only because it is quite long, and I have a short point to
make. By and large, I agree that Christianity is full of all kinds of
nastiness. However, there is one point in its defense. Catholicism is
the only established religion I am aware of (please correct me if
there really are others) in which there is an opportunity, and has
been for centuries, for women to pursue spirituality to its fullest
extent. As a nun, of course. No temporal authority, no secular
goodies, but at least there women have the opportunity for what is
considered in the church to be the highest pursuit. And I don't know
what other groups do to respect the accomplishments of women, but
women do get canonized as Saints, and I don't think there is any
higher recognition of accomplishment in what the church 'says' is most
important. 
Whew! Now I can go back to being antagonistical to organized religion.
:-)
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: New Newsgroup:  alt.hypnosis
Summary: A new newsgroup has been formed
Keywords: Hypnosis
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:53:41 GMT

A new newsgroup has just appeared that some of you may find interesting:
   alt.hypnosis
It doesn't seem (yet) to have many people with real *experience* in
hypnosis, but I'm sure it will attract some.
-- 
--Friday                               "There is in true beauty, as in
   Carol Anne Ogdin, Principal Designer     courage, something which narrow
   Deep Woods Technology                    souls cannot dare to admire."
     friday@netcom.com                            --William Congreve
From: hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark Peterson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Sorry but...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:41:18 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Nov10.025658.24545@primerd.prime.com>, by jasonp@sunbabe.Prime.COM (Jason Pascucci):
> Actually, there is no christian church, per se. It depends
> on which particular sect to which you belong. 
> 
> The Roman Catholic Church tends to frown on all kinds of
> such excercises. For example, meditation on the Bible,
> or a particular prayer, is okay, but meditation to 'blank
> the mind' would be bad because of the chance of demonic posession. 


Hmmm.  Get thee to Loyola's _Spiritual_Exercises_ and think again. ;-)


hiho
-- 
mark ce peterson   | uw-washington county  | hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu 
dept of philosophy | west bend, wi.  53095 | (414) 335-5200        

     The shorter the tether, the sooner the goat starves.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Orpheus)
Subject: Re: Slopoke FTP Site
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:44:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Nov5.070210.2986@u.washington.edu> mimir@stein.u.washington.edu writes:

> 
>  Does anyone know the e-mail address of the person in charge of the
> slopoke ftp site for magick files and such? I've put a lot of files there
> in the last two months and they are all still in the INCOMING directory. I
> was going to upload all the files I had on the Thelemic Golden Dawn and
> their practices, rites, and beliefs but I don't want to put them in the
> INCOMING directory and have them sit for months in a mess.
> 
> Wassail,
> Grendel
	Go ahead and send 'em on! Some of us here don't care _WHAT_ directory
the files are in [grin]. 
> 
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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Of giving up and getting on..(was Women vs Men)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BxF7Lv.IuE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca writes...
>In article <memo.734619@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes..
>>

>The whole "virgin thing" I think comes down to the fact that if a man has 
>sex with a woman, and then did not marry her, it was probbably seen as a 
>gesture that he did not see her as "worth" marrying, thus a non-virgin was 
>not "worth" as much as a virgin.

I've read that a pagan definition of virginity refers to women 
who have not yet given birth, whether they've had sex or not.
When xtianity took hold, virginity became very important.  Not 
only was it a physical characteristic but also a symbol of 
purity.

Physical Importance:
Women know they are the mother of the child born from their body. 
Men must trust that the woman was faithful.  Taking a virgin was 
one way of knowing that she was not previously impregnated with 
someone else's child.  Also, virgins brought their family a 
higher dowry, in cultures where dowry was paid to the family of 
the bride.  Sometimes feudal landlords held the right to sleep 
with a bride on her wedding night.  

It seems a mystique grew up around virginity, so that men 
liked being the first to break a virgin.  One of those male 
"being first" things.  Similar (IMO) to competitions like 
being the first to climb a mountain, go to the moon, etc....
All this was (is?) only directed at females.  For males its a 
different story.

Symbolic Importance:
There are some interesting writings about vestal virgins.  St. 
Brigit (more a cultural symbol than one person) had links to 
vestal virgins and was a symbol of cultural unity in Ireland.  
Unlike other Irish goddesses, Brigit transcended territorial and 
political situations.  In the 12th century, the Abbess of Kildare, 
(symbol of Brigit) was raped and her fires extinguished, a 
symptom of political and social upheavals of the times.  

Its fairly common for virgins to be considered more pure than 
non-virgins, in many societies.  Then there's the story of the 
virgin and the unicorn.  Where did that come from?  Another story 
I remember had to do with Roman soldiers being afraid to kill 
virgins, so they had to be raped first, even girls.

>As for religions actually condeming the sexual act, I don't think many/any do.

Catholocism certainly did.  Maybe still does.  I don't know about 
other religions.  However, I believe its fairly common for women 
to be considered spiritually inferior and unclean, especially 
during menstruation or after giving birth.  In medieval Catholic 
theology women were more unclean after giving birth to a girl 
than they were after giving birth to a boy.

Judaism has plenty of negative references to women too.  Ever 
read the story of the Levite and his concubine or the rape of the 
women of Shiloh?

- Peggy -
From: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: The End of the World - Again
Date: 7 Nov 92 07:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) 


Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU> writes:

-> The Mayans were a scientifically advanced civilization.  I find it
-> hard to imagine their spiritual advancement could have been far
-> behind.  Of all the predictions for the End Time, I think I trust
-> theirs the most.

I prefer J.R. "Bob" Dobbs' prediction of 7/5/98 on the grounds that it
is far more amusing.

As for staying home "that day" and having your defenses up, what good is
that going to do you?  Better to stand out in the street with your
trousers down around your knees and spit in their faces.  At least that
way you rack up some style points.

Which is to say, what does this have to do with magick?

M.
                                                 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shc@bluemoon.rn.com (n shane chambers)
Subject: Re: Initiation to manhood
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 92 22:59:23 EST

joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

> 
> In article <1992Nov2.163135.1737@venus.ic.cmc.ca> ed@scorpiocmc.ca (Ed Antosz
> writes:
> 
> >Deos anyone out there have or know a source for a good ritual for initiation
> >a boy to manhood?  I know of the Jewish tradition but I'm lloking for other
> >sources and would like to find a meaningful ritual.  This likely means have 
> >to copper elements from many other traditions but I'm willing to do that?
> 
> you could always copy one from the australian aboriginals (or some groups
> of them at least) and rip open the underside of his penis with a rusty
> old razor blade or piece of broken glass.  I don't know how meaningful
> it would be, but I'm sure it would be a night to remember.
> 
> josh

OUCH!

I perfer what I went through, personaly.  Made me a little jumpy, but it 
worked.  Interested?  e-mail me.

                shc


This is from
  shc@bluemoon.rn.com or ...towers!bluemoon!shc
Who doesn`t have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet...

                                And doesn`t plan on getting one eather!

                                             *:)
(all right, I know I can`t spell, is it my falt I never learned the spell 
command? 8-)
From: dschend@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Daniell Schendzielos)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The End of the World - Again
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:34:11 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Listen people, no one knows when the end of the world will come.  What's the
point of knowing?  Besides, the end of the world will happen and it won't.
See, the Cosmic Jokers which entertain the thing that keeps this universe
moving have this plan.  For people who go around saying the world will end
will experience a world that never does end.  Those that say the world will
never end will experience the world ending.  For those who don't care simply
sit back with the Cosmic Jokers and have a laugh.  Stop running around claiming
the world will end because if it ever did, no one would care.


-- 
dschend@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
"Life is experience.  Death is experience.
What we do with that experience is the true meaning."
opinions are my own and no one elses
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Women vs Men
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 19:40:48 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> Far be it from me to attempt to stop you. I certainly waste enough time
> responding to relatively meaningless posts. It is a habit I should probably
> attempt to modify.
> 
> Bill

I guess there's a price for every 'endearing idiosyncracy'-- and a 
benefit, or the organism wouldn't maintain it, eh?

Later, Bill
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Childbirth
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:48:46 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Nov8.183453.4336@samba.oit.unc.edu>, shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett) writes:
> >
> It is common in MANY mammals to eat the placenta after birth (no pun 
> intended).  Cats are actually aware enough of this, that they get agitated
> if you clean up after them before they get the opportunity.  More than a
> few human societies have a ritual cuisine set up for the placenta -- often
> it is made into a stew or soup.  Biologically, it makes a lot of sense
> to eat it -- you put a lot of effort into it, and you are going to need the
> energy and nutrients.  But, I think I might pass, m'self...;)

I was proud of myself for *looking* at the gross thing.  Next time, I might
be brave enough to poke it a bit.

Dawn
"Hello death, goodbye Avenue A.  I'm getting tired of waiting, tired of
being afraid.  Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
So I sing hello death, goodbye Avenue A."  "Folk Song" by Bongwater.
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Of giving up and getting on..(was Women vs Men)
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW
Orgnization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<Nov.7.17.24.34.1992.13322@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:30:41 GMT


In article <Nov.7.17.24.34.1992.13322@ruhets.rutgers.edu> 
farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:

>          By and large, I agree that Christianity is full of all kinds of
>   nastiness. However, there is one point in its defense. Catholicism is
>   the only established religion I am aware of (please correct me if
>   there really are others)

left-hand tantrik naths and at least some sufi orders.

>                            in which there is an opportunity, and has
>   been for centuries, for women to pursue spirituality to its fullest
>   extent. 

josh