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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:58:32 GMT

>>>Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?

>>I don't.

>  As you can see, our own Ms. Parks has responded to the question with her
>usual straight forward answer that gets to the heart of the matter.  In other
>words, she still hasn't answered the question!

What is your question?

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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:35:03 GMT

>Did it happen or not?  Yes it happened.  Did white people in ameriKKKa benefit
>from those laws?  Yes they did.  So what's your point?

Wrong. The beneficiaries of such laws were some people who were Caucasian.
Many people who were Caucasian were not beneficiaries of such laws.
This portrayal of the Caucasian race as being the Borg race is just
more of the mythology.


>I didn't blame you.  If your parents were here in ameriKKKa and they did
>nothing
>to get rid of those laws and work for equality of *ALL* people in this
>country then they were part of the problem. 

And if said parents died in the civil rights movement, would their children
be eligible for AA? If said parents actively worked to support such laws,
would their children be eligible for AA? Answer: it depends solely on what
race their children are. Caucasian children whose parents died in the
civil rights movement are gleefully told by AA and all the other many
raicst programs to get lost and Blak children whose parents actively
worked to support racial segregation and oppression are greeted with open
arms. The existence of needs and behavior tests as part of "fair"
racist programs is just more of the mythology.


>/* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing    */
>/*  on my plate, and call myself a diner...
>/*							--Malcolm X       */

Interesting, so Malcolm X foresaw the existence of AA and the many
other racist programs in existence today.

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From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: The Swedenfinns seek official support from Finland
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:05:55 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.nordic ]
[ Author was Jarmo Ryyti ]
[ Posted on Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT ]

: This is a translation of the latest issue of Ruotsinsuomalainen
 (Swedenfinn) of the 10.12.1992.
: 
: FOR THE MINORITY STATUS IS SEEKED SUPPORT FROM FINLAND 
: 
: For the aim of the Swedenfinns to attain an ethnic and lingual minority
: status is seeked now official support from Finland.
: 
: The issue is taken on the agenda of The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues set by Finland's cabinet, (Suomen valtioneuvoston asettama
: pakolais- ja siirtolaisasiain neuvosto), who gave the declaration of
: the minority status made by the swedenfinnish organisations for the Finnish
: governement last friday. (4.12.92) The Committee of the Immigration and
: Refugee issues for their part received the proclamation of the minority
  status during the  Roots in Finland-festivities last august. 
: 
: According to the committee, Finland shall include the Swedenfinnish
  aim for the minority status into  the issues in official  negotiations
  between Finland and Sweden.
: 
: On the communication made by the committee is reminded prime minister Carl
: Bildt charactrazing the situation of the swedenfinns. Bild has given
  a statement that due to a long common history of the countries,
  finnish settlements in Sweden and great numbers of swedenfinns give
  a right to give a special status for the swedenfinns.
Regards,
jarmo ryyti

: 
: Ps.
  You should notice that Carl Bildt is a concervative. During the social
  democratical time swedish governements aimed only to assimilate
  swedenfinns by all means.

  As the peak of all swedish natinalism Ms. Anita Gradin declared publicly
: "Sweden is monolingual and remains monolingual". She is a prominent
: politician in Sweden, normally you hear such speeches in South-Africa
: and in Nazi-Germany but Sweden is no exeption. Her speeches however did
: not rise international publicity. Source for the latest statement is
: an issue of Etel{-Suomen Sanomat, a respectful newspaper in Finland,
: in the issue of 11.12.92.
: 
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.141324.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu>, ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

|>   So tell me where are all the opportunities?  Maybe I'm just looking in the 
|>   wrong places.

You could find many whites who would tell the same story, only with
black co-workers who got rehired, while they were denied. In fact I've
met a number and they blame it on affirmatice action.

I will, however, suggest an idea. Get a copy of the SBIR
pre-solicitation notice from the small business association.
Get some of the solicitations and look through them until
you find one which you have an idea for and which you could do
with your programming skills. Enter a proposal. In fact, enter
several. You will get special consideration as a minority
and you may wind up getting financing for your own business.

Don't whine about the lack of job opportunities as many people
of all races are doing, create your own opportunities.

Jason W. Solinsky
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Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:15:55 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

> >>> |> > |> > Today, Blaks have
> >>> |> > |> > greater opportunities to become wealthy than Caucascians.
> 
> >>> |> > |> Have you lost your mind? How? Support you statement!
> 
> All wealth opportunities which are biased on the basis of race
> are biased in favor in Blaks to the detriment of Caucasians. There does
> not exist any such opportunity restricted to Caucasians. However,
> set-aside contracts, hiring and promotional preferences, and
> educational preferences which are restricted to Blaks and denied
> to Caucasians are widespread and provide Blaks with a much greater opportunit
> to become wealthy.
> 
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Until this particular posting, I had hopes that at least *some* of what 
you've been espousing here had *some* grounding in reality. 

So much for that.

what a tragedy to see someone so young waltzing through life with their 
eyes so determinedly closed. If you truly believe what you posted up 
there, then you have *NO* concept of what's going on in this country. 
None at all.

Good luck, Terry. In more ways than one, I fear you're gonna need it.
G.

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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:45:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.220920.22376@microsoft.com>, johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
|> In article brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
|> | Terry Parks:
|> | Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
|> | Are you just clumsy?  Or are you trying to be insulting?  Or what?
|> 
|> I assume your question is rhetorical.  Terry (did anyone prove he
|> was really glenn Cooley??) specializes in being insulting.
|> 
|> He also specializes in being clumsy.  If he wants to benefit people
|> who oppose AA, he should keep quiet.

I second that, SHUT UP.

Jason W. Solinsky

P.S. I have a lot of stuff which seems to have accumulated which I want to
respond to so don't feel bad if it takes me a while :-) :-) :-) :-)
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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:45:26 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Terry, if you are going to quote me in your articles I expect you to
give me credit for my words.

Thank you.

In article <1992Dec17.014203.17494@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>>>> And can you name this company or companies which won't hire anyone because
>>>> they're Blak? I certainly wouldn't want to have dealings with them.

>>1.  Union seniority rules

>Could you explain how giving a Blak worker with 20 years service
>preferences over a Caucasian worker with 5 years serivce benefits the
>Caucasian worker?

It doesn't.  However, Blacks are more likely to be more recently hired
than Whites.

>>2.  Blacks are more likely to work in the hardest hit sector - low
>>skill, low wage work.

>So some Blaks engage in low skill, low wage work and some Caucasians
>engage in low skill, low wage work. Given that far more Caucasians live
>in poverty, how does adversity for the poor benefit them?

Terry, please learn to read.  I never said that adversity for the poor
benefited Caucasians.  Also, you really do need to look at percentages
here.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:13:54 EST
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Here is the question Ms. Parks!!!!!!!!
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Dec17.005832.15365@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) says:
>
>>>>Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
>
>>>I don't.
>
>>  As you can see, our own Ms. Parks has responded to the question with her
>>usual straight forward answer that gets to the heart of the matter.  In other
>>words, she still hasn't answered the question!
>
>What is your question?
>

The question is: Would you please explain why you insist on spelling "black" as
 "blak"?  A very easy, straightforward question that you time and time again
ignore and fail to answer.
I don't expect this time to be any different.
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From: sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Originator: sue@dracut
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:35:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.031856.20929@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.220737.2492@blkbox>, collins@blkbox (Chad R. Collins) writes:
> 
> |> 	I believe that hispanics are now the poorest people in this
> |> country- not blacks.                   
> 
> This is somewhat misleading. It is true that hispanics as a whole are very
> poor, but those poor economic conditions are strongly effected by when they
> came to America. The longer they have been in America, the better off they
> are economically.
> 
> In other words, the reasons why hispanics are doing so poorly is because they
> are still comming here and that pushes the average down.
> 
> Now it is definitelly true than many hispanics grow up in neighborhoods where
> they have about as small a chance of becoming successful as somebody from an
> inner city ghetto, but this does not show signs of becoming a permanemt racial
> thing as is the case with blacks.
> 
> Jason W. Solinsky

I may be wrong but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Native
American Indians are the worst off economically.
 
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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Parks doesn't repond: AGAIN
Organization: Quake Public Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:45:33 GMT

In article <92349.075056KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <Bz79KH.Jr9@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K.
>Yoder) says:

>>Terry Parks:
>>Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
>>Are you just clumsy?  Or are you trying to be insulting?  Or what?

> I have asked Terry Parks this question three times already and have yet to get
>a response and frankly I am tired of the way she spells it. It is like she is
>saying "you don't deserve to be called what you want to be called, I will make
>up my own term for you, like it or not"!

Actually, my standard is a little different.  I am just asking that she use
the English language properly.  And if she wants to use a non-standard 
term, she should make it clear what she means by it.  If "blak" is a substitute
term for "nigger", then she should come out and say so.  If she is just a
poor speller, she should just make that clear and then reform herself.

Whether someone "wants" to be refered to in a certain way or not is only a
minor issue.  If I insisted that the proper way of addressing me is "your
highness", I would fully expect for people to find much more rude
ways of referring to me.

--Brian
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From: sunny@al.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:51:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.020511.2386@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
|> Then could you be the one to point out the mythical program which is
|> restricted to Caucasians and denied to Blaks?

This kind of remind me of Shorty (a friend of Malcom X) fainting because he
did not understand what serving 15 counts of 8 to 10 years sentence
CONCURRENTLY meant.

Someone here does not understand the word DE FACTO.
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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:19:32 GMT

>>Because they benefitted from the legacy of racism that hasn't ended yet.
>>If you are non-AfAm, non-Native American, Eskimo, etc. , ie European 
>>ancestory and your family has been here more than 30 years it benefited from
>>those laws.  IF they did nothing to rectify the problem, then they are part
>>of the problem.  I didn't see mases of white folks supporting MLK, some did
>>but I would bet you it wasn't 1 out of 10.

>There were explicit quotas against Jews even after WWII.  There were rabbis
>marching with MLK.  Whites were killed protesting for blacks in the South.

Fact: the majority of the Freedom Riders, a landmark in the US civil
rights movement, including all the ones severely beaten, were
Caucasian. And, as is reflective of the PC racism prevalent in today's
society, at the recent reunion of the Freedom Ride, not one of the
Caucasian riders were included.

Question: is the child of a person killed in the civil rights movement
          eligible for AA?
Answer: it depends on their race.

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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Quake Public Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:31:25 GMT

Terry Parks:
Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
Are you just clumsy?  Or are you trying to be insulting?  Or what?

--Brian
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From: ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:34:57 GMT
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In article <BzDxo5.MMt@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.090227.1@milori.ccit.arizona.edu> ohall@milori.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.014213.20399@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>>>>> Then could you be the one to point out the mythical program which is
>>>>> restricted to Caucasians and denied to Blaks?
>   
>>>>  The mythical program is whites get hired and blacks don't.
>  
>>> And can you name this company or companies which won't hire anyone because
>>> they're Blak? I certainly wouldn't want to have dealings with them.
>  
> You said that you don't call "blacks" "blak".  You are quite obviously a liar.
> Please explain yourself, or stop expecting anyone to take you seriously.
> 
> --Brian
>
  Brian.  Don't waste your time with this FOOL, he's obviously slippin. 
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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:45:26 GMT

>> >>> |> > |> Have you lost your mind? How? Support you statement!
>> 
>> All wealth opportunities which are biased on the basis of race
>> are biased in favor in Blaks to the detriment of Caucasians. There does
>> not exist any such opportunity restricted to Caucasians. However,
>> set-aside contracts, hiring and promotional preferences, and
>> educational preferences which are restricted to Blaks and denied
>> to Caucasians are widespread and provide Blaks with a much greater opportunit
>> to become wealthy.
 
>Until this particular posting, I had hopes that at least *some* of what 
>you've been espousing here had *some* grounding in reality. 

Spare me the positioning. 


>what a tragedy to see someone so young waltzing through life with their 
>eyes so determinedly closed.

Then point out the mythical program restricted to Caucasians and denied
to Blaks.

>If you truly believe what you posted up 
>there, then you have *NO* concept of what's going on in this country. 

Then point out the mythical program restricted to Caucasians and denied
to Blaks.

>None at all.

Then point out the mythical program restricted to Caucasians and denied
to Blaks.

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From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism 
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:10:33 GMT

>  There are companies that are reluctant to hire blacks and practice
>  discrimination.

Then please name these mythical companies. I know of many companies that engage
in racial discrimination but all this discrimination is exclusively
directed against Caucasians.

>  You would have to be a fool from hell to believe this type
>  of hiring practice doesn't exist in America today.

Then please name these mythical companies.

>  If you had your way I
>  would be a sitting duck believing that everything is fine in the U.S.A. 

No, as I mentioned, there is rampant racial discrimination.

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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.220737.2492@blkbox>, collins@blkbox (Chad R. Collins) writes:

|> 	I believe that hispanics are now the poorest people in this
|> country- not blacks.                   

This is somewhat misleading. It is true that hispanics as a whole are very
poor, but those poor economic conditions are strongly effected by when they
came to America. The longer they have been in America, the better off they
are economically.

In other words, the reasons why hispanics are doing so poorly is because they
are still comming here and that pushes the average down.

Now it is definitelly true than many hispanics grow up in neighborhoods where
they have about as small a chance of becoming successful as somebody from an
inner city ghetto, but this does not show signs of becoming a permanemt racial
thing as is the case with blacks.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education
Subject: Parks attempts to respond and doesn't!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:30:25 GMT
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In article <1992Dec15.012737.19706@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) says:
>
>>Would you PLEASE explain why you insist on spelling "black" as "blak"?
>
>I don't.
>
>
  As you can see, our own Ms. Parks has responded to the question with her
usual straight forward answer that gets to the heart of the matter.  In other
words, she still hasn't answered the question!  In the post following this one,
 she continues to use a spelling of the word I can not find in any dictionary,
or reference book.  I realize that the exalted Terry Parks knows all, but if
she is going to make up her own language, and use it on a public network, the
least she could do is to explain it to us!
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