From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: PEARL HARBOR
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:25:15 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <1992Dec14.025423.60@penet.fi> an1603@anon.penet.fi (Bastard Regiment) writes:
>>O.K. This really makes me angry. If there is one thing I hate it is passing
>>off second rate 'allied' planes as the enemy! Last night I saw five minutes
>>of the worst movie I have ever seen in my life - Iron Eagles II. They started

hehe... I thought it was great.. as a bad movie... I like the 'new' Personel
carriers too... M113's with fake rockets. The rocket's bounced on the rails.
Ok, so it REALLY sucked.... Iron Eagle was bad, and Iron Eagle III: Aces had
the most believability. Which isn't saying much.... IE used Kfirs as MiGs
while in IE III the Rutan ARES was supposed to be an Me-263 or something 
equally as silly....

But the F-4 is not a 'second rate' aircraft. Israel likes them enough to 
totally rebuild them. The F-4 is one of the best aircraft ever produced. It
is fast and rugged, and while not being the most agile aircraft in the world 
today it can still hold it's own. The rebuilt F-4s wouldn't exactly be equal
to a new plane, but they wouldn't be pushovers either.

>>shot the producers! I mean MIG-29's are beautiful planes and they were trying
>>to pass of this hunched back piece of junk off as one (no offense to all thos
>>people who like them but I am sure you know what I mean) They would have had

Eh... Watch what you insult there... OK, I'll grant that the MiG-29 is a
slick plane... But the F-4 is a rugged beauty... handsome maybe?

>>to borrow the footage or the planes from the Airforce anyway - why did they
>>give them a decent looking plane - a F-18 perhaps.

Simple. It was filmed in Israel using Israeli aircraft, same as IE. That's
why all the planes were in desert camo. And notice where the insignia were?
Right were the Star of David is normally.

>trying to pass off another great plane, the F-5, as a MiG.  If they
>can't be bothered putting in some effort why don't they just fuck off and die.

OK.... Here I disagree... When TG was made the Soviet Union wasn't all that
friendly (notice they were the villians?) and weren't about to lease out MiGs
to Hollywood. The great thing about Top Gun is it used real planes filmed in
flight, unlike IE which mostly used models- badly. They needed aircraft they 
could get a few of, and could get pilots for. What could they've used? The
F-5 doesn't have the same public recognition as the F-4 since the US only
uses it for training, well, for the most part. I know people who thought they
were T-38s...

They also called them MiG-28s... Which I'm sure you'll notice is not a 
fighter designation at all. I thought the F-5s were perfect for the role. 
They are plentiful, and since they filmed it at the Top Gun school at Miramar,
readily available WITH experienced pilots...

What would you have used? The F-16/15/18 are out... to well known... Maybe
Toranados? Or Mirages? Of course the costs would have been higher and they
aren't as available.

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