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From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Summary: Zadeh is not Iranian.
Date: 22 Jul 1992 02:26:40 GMT


I have checked the original paper of Dr. Asker Lotfi Zadeh and
I can assure you that the creator of Fuzzy Logics is not Iranian. 
He is an American born but is half Persian. I hope that this
convince you to do a better search next time that you find an
"Iranian" scientist.

                 Vahid
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amir@zeus.franklin.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: U.S. is leader in arms sales to third world 
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:20:45 GMT


WASHINGTON (JULY 21) DPA - With the end of the Cold War, there has been a
dramatic drop in Third World arms sales, especially from the former Soviet
Union, according to a new U.S. government report released Tuesday. 
   The survey by the Congressional Research Service (CRS), a branch of the
Library of Congress, showed two exceptions to that general trend. Although total
U.S. sales dropped, the United States increased its percentage share of arms
sales to the Third World sharply to 57 per cent. 
   The total global arms sales to the Third World were estimated to be about 25
billion dollars in 1991. 
   Saudi Arabia has emerged as the largest single purchaser of such arms,
accounting for about one-fifth of all Third World arms purchases, about 68
billion dollars worth since 1984. 
   The largest change in the last year was the disappearance of the Soviet Union
as an arms salesman to the Third World. Once, Moscow competed and even surpassed
the United States in the competition to arm the developing countries
 particularly Iraq and Cuba. 
   Both those countries have now disappeared as hard-currency customers and the
former Soviet republics have dropped back in the competition with the United
States. 
   However, Russian President Boris Yeltsin, beset by severe economic troubles
and political criticism at home, has recently suggested that Russia may go back
into the Third World arms bazaar as a transitional means of overcoming the
economic problems. 
   In 1990, the Soviet Union had sold about 12 billion dollars worth of weapons
to Third World countries. In 1991, that fell to less than half, about 5 billion
dollars. 
   Another new trend in the CRS study is the emergence of China as a major arms
seller over the last eight years. But China suffered reversals in 1991 because
of the United Nations arms embargo against Iraq and because the former Soviet
Union, hard-pressed for cash, elbowed the Chinese aside as a supplier to Iran. 
   The other traditional arms sellers - France, Germany, Britain and Italy - all
saw their arms sales to the Third World fall off, partly because of the
competition from the United States. 
   The CRS study says that the television pictures of American "smart bombs" and
other advanced weapons used in the Gulf War were a powerful inducement to buy
U.S. weapons, if only as the ultimate status symbol to countries with regional
ambitions. 
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From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: Re: Fundamentals WUZ Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:16:24 GMT

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
: Before I get started, let me say one thing, Khomeini was a son of a bitch, and
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: I take little if anything he wrote seriously.
: 
: 
: zafar

Mr Zafar Sahib,

I am not a Shia, and I no follower of Khomeini. But even so I find your your
deliberately provocative foul-mouthed statement above deeply offensive. I thik
that any sincere Muslim who wants to see a united Muslim world would be deeply
offended beacause it is the type of pointless swipe that can only further
dis-unite Muslims and spread acrimony between different groups within Islam.
(And please don't give me some non-sense that Shia are not Muslim.)

Nadeem Malik
nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:26:59 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <sehari.711925333@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

We can start with your picture as SCI's stand up bullshitter !!! 
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just kidding BAbA , Don't get upset KAko ( shirazy accent ) .. 

:-)

if you don't get it , you should watch the movie " history of the world "

Ramin
From: mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: SOCCER TOURNAMENT IN SAN DIEGO
Keywords: Jameh Doosti in San Diego
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:55:55 GMT
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA

As you might already know, Los Angeles had been hosting the
Iranian Soccer Tournament for the past 4 years.  This tournament
start on labor day weekend and lasts for 3 days.  More than 20 
Iranian teams from all over U.S. compete in this tournament every year. 

This year, the previous sponsers are no longer willing to accept
the responsibility and have cancelled this tournamnet. However,
there is a new sponser for these games and he is from San Diego.
According to him, this tournamnet will be held in San Diego on
labor day weekend.

I'll post more on this issue as I hear get more information.

P.S. You can email me if you have specific questions about this 
tournament.

--Mehregan Nejat
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: Names , Favorites ..
Reply-To: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:23:43 GMT

I wrote:

>rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem) writes:
>> ps.  its also my girlfriends name.  :)
> 
>       you mean girlfriend's name. Or how many?
> 
> Anwar Saleh

  I did not mean to pick on Eric's spelling. I just noticed the
  difference it makes because I did similar mistake few days 
  ago. I was kidding Eric.
 
  Jihan(or Jeehaan) is Persian. Also is used in Arabic.
  Fairouz is used in Arabic (like the name of the famous Lebanese singer)
  It is used for both boys and girls.

  Anwar Saleh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@ifi.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Iranian T shirts
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:58:33 GMT
Originator: kambizm@gyda.ifi.uio.no



Babak says:

>A while back, I saw a picture of Iran in it people were wearing tee-shirts
>with English language on it.  Even though, I had worn tee-shirts with English
>language on it and probably have no choice, but to wear one in future, I 
>thought it might be a good idea if we put phrases and poems from our own
>good philosophers and poets in Persian on our tee-shirts. 


Things have really improved down there. When I was last in Iran, men were arrested
and lashed for wearing T shirts (short sleeves) since it was against the Islamic
code (Yes men too). Has things really improved that much. It is almost democracy!
                                                   Kambiz
From: ahmad@frisco.net.com (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Suggestion for design of Iranian tee-shirts
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:27:51 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <sehari.711925333@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>      [some stuff deleted, bA ejAzeh az AghA bAbak]
>Also, we might put pictures of our own great people like Razi, Karazmi,
>Abo Ali Syna, Ferdowsi, Amir Kabir, Bozorgmahr, molavi, and others on our
>tee-shirts. Moreover, we might put name of our own cities and universities
>on our tee-shirts, such as university of Tehran, University of Scince and
>Technology of Iran, Industrial University of Tehran, etc...
>

bA salAm,

Good idea, AghA babAk. I think pictures of our contemporary
artists/actors/scientists/etc are also appropriate. I personally
prefer a picture of Googoosh khAnoom on my t-shirt.

BTW, some people look their best with plain t-shirt on, especially
when it gets wet. :-)  (please note the happy face before you flame me)

-Ahmad AghA
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Trip to Iran (Moafi)
Keywords: Moafi
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:44:42 GMT
Organization: UB

Mack , Here is another good FAQ subject :


(majid.safavi) writes:
>Does anyone know what are  the latest rules, regulation, and prices
>for getting a temporary or permanent Moafi. Do you know anybody who


Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Iran, Iraq exchange bodies of troops killed in 1980-88 war
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:24:18 GMT


	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran and Iraq exchanged the bodies of soldiers
killed in the 1980-88 war between the two countries and agreed to
further such exchanges, the official Islamic Republic News Agency said
Wednesday.
	The bodies of 50 Iranians were exchanged for those of 51 Iraqi troops
at the Khosravi border crossing, about 100 miles northeast of Baghdad,
an IRNA dispatch monitored in Athens said.
	The exchange took place almost four years after the end of the 1980-
88 Iran-Iraq war, in which about 1 million people were estimated to have
been killed or wounded.
	IRNA said special military ceremonies were held after the bodies of
the Iranians were handed over. The bodies were to be given to the
families of the troops for burial in their home towns, it said.
	Officials of the two sides held talks in Khosravi for arrangements to
be made so that further exchanges could take place. Thousands of troops
killed on either side were buried in cemeteries close to the
battlefields during the war.
From: 01saeid@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Some more info on the Baha'is
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:29:53 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Dear Zafar:

When I mention thta you are in no way fit to carry a discussion you don't
believe me but I just decided to post your answer back for every one else
to see:
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
         MY ARTICLE

>> Dear > zafar
>>
>>I am replying to your comments regarding the sighted articles by
>>me (Saeid) and Mark Towfig about the existance of miracles.
>>
>>As we both said Bahai's do not believe in miracles and we also mentiones
>>that Baha'u'llah (king of the kings) performed many miracles.
>>
>>I want to tell you that we are both right and there is no disrepency between
>>our words if the preson who is reading it does not have a prejiduce mind.
>>I will present you a simple example and I wish that would enlighten you.
>>Your Chemistry professor comes in the class and says
>>
>> Students, I have been trying for many years to convert copper to gold
>> by some chemical reaction. I will be doing this for the rest of my life
>> but I do not think it is a possible way and there is no logic behind it.
>>
>>You as a student come out of the class and tell others I don't think
>>it is possible to change copper to gold but my professor is doing for
>>all his life.
> B>
>>Someone asks isn't your professor crazy doing this even when he knows
>>that it is not possible. Well dear I don't have an answer for you.
>>
>>You see, we are facing the delamma of prejudice. You and everybody else
>>is reading the Bahai articles and just taking it as it is without even
>>thinking about it. It is just like talking about the Day of Resurrection.
>>Unfortunately the Moslim friends take all the discription in Qur'an as 
>>in a graphical way and expect teh same features happen in that day. 
>>I understand it is easier to deal with that day in a graphical term 
>>because it will never happen and you are free from investigating the
>>truth but dear friend that day has come and only the people who have
>>put away their projudice and openned their hearts can see the light.
>>
>>I am afraid I do not consider you as one of those open minded people
>>because you are having a hard time dealing with the simple comments
>>of two people.
>>
>>We Bahai's do not believe in miracles but it does not mean that 
>>Baha'u'llah (the king of the kings) did not perform any miracles.
>>We bahai's think that the healing power has been performed by god not the
>>human being. As far as we are concern there should be a reason for everything
>>and religion has to make sence and at this day miracles do not make sence.
>>The Blessed Beauty might have caused some chemical changes in teh person
>>body to start the healing process but that is in no way considered miracles
>>by us. 
>>
>>Now please do not take me literally and throw me back some simple
>>sentences. I don't have time to repeat myself.
>>
>>Sincerely
>>
>>Saeid
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
        DEAR ZAFAR'S ANSWER
> 
> aaah.... okay
> 
> zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Olympic Fever
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:35:45 GMT


Watching Sunday's 13 hours of NBC Olympics coverage, did its damage.
Olympic fever finally caught up to me, and I made a trip to Keppler's
bookstore here in Menlo Park (it's located next to Cafe Borrone, BTW).
Searching through the isles, I found a book titled "The Complete Book
of the Olympics", and I invested a mere $14.95 in the almanac.

Glancing through it, I found some interesting facts about Iran, a few
of which are listed below. Also, there has recently been a few
articles with questions regarding Iranian (current and ex) olympians.
I believe most of the answers to these questions are hidden somewhere
in this book. I will try to post them as well as other interesting
tidbits as I come across them.

Here's a warmup:

=====================================================================

Iran won its first medal in the 1948 Olympics (London). Since then,
she has won 30 medals in the Olympic competition as follows:

1948    London          0   0   1   1
1952    Helsinki        0   3   4   7
1956    Melbourne       2   2   1   5
1960    Rome            0   1   3   4
1964    Tokyo           0   0   2   2
1968    Mexico City     2   1   2   5
1972    Munich          0   2   1   3
1976    Montreal        0   1   1   2
1980    Moscow          boycott year
1984    Los Angeles     boycott year
1988    Seoul           0   1   0   1
-------------------------------------
Total:                  4  11  15  30

I believe most of the above medals were obtained in weightlifting and
wrestling.

Enjoy the games!

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: amirishs@acf9.nyu.edu (shaahin amiri sharifi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Test!
Summary: This is for testing!
Keywords: This is just a test!
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:43:32 GMT
Organization: New York University

I'm testing!
end!
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: SAGSSHEN: old friend locater service!
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:18:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <92210.231526U33720@uicvm.uic.edu> U33720@uicvm.uic.edu (Parisa Sepehri) writes:
>Doostaneh Arjomand;
>
>   I have a suggestion; why don't we keep a file on one of  the
>public accessible nodes(maybe Tehran) to help people find their old
>friends from Iran or elsewhere.

Excellenet , Excellent , Excellent suggestion ....

Ramin
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Sectarian Iran is bent on destroying Pakistan
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
>
>  You are right about the rivalry, but the conclusion of this problem, as
>is done by A. Jaber, is not correct. The bloody conflicts between these
>groups are NOT the result of this rivalry, instead they have much deeper
>roots in those societies than the history of Islamic Revolution in Iran.

	The bloody conflict between those people is not a result 
	of the rivalry itself. The bloody conflict is a result of
	that Iran is suuporting a faction and Saudi Arabia is suuporting
	another faction. 

	This has nothing to do with the rivalry of Iran and Saudi Arabia
	but rather it is planned by the Allies of Iran(???) and the
	allies of Saudi Arabia( USA and Europe) to create problems in
	Pakistan in order to weaken it destroy it.
	
	Remember Pakistan now is abandoned by the USA since it lost
	its strategic importance and Pakistan is the only Muslim Country
	with a nuclear potential after Iraq. Iraq is destroyed and now
	the turn is Pakistan. The easiest way to destroy Pakistan is to
	create this sectarian problems which are financed and supported
	by both Iran and Saudi Arabia. Iran is doing all of this while
	their Media talks about Islamic unity. TOO MUCH RHETORIC.

>On the other hand, if the rivalry between Iran and saudi Arabia
>is the reason for these conflicts, then there is a contradiction in your 
>above statement: Why this rivalry has not created conflicts like those of
>afghanistan and Pakistan in "Newly independent states north for Iran"?
>
>Mohammad   

	Please open your eyes my friend Mr or Dr Ibrahimi, Iran is
	supporting the Armenians over the Azeri Muslims in the bloody 
	conflict. Russia is giving the Armenians the Arms to attack the 
	Muslims in Azerbijan while Iran is giving Armenia the fuel and 
	the food to keep the war going. Iran is doing this to waeken
	Azerbijan. Yes there are Iranians who support Azerbijan but
	those are Azeri Iranians and not the Khomeinist regime. Iran
	is supporting Azerbijan only by RHETORIC while Iran is helping
	the Armenian war machine to keep running.

A Jaber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Divide and Rule! (was: Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.164139.7921@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>In article <Bs7AGL.EK3@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
>>I think he simply was saying that Ahmad AghA does not need
>>to confirm or assess in this public forum the already wrong idea that
>>americans(or other foreigners) have from middle eastern muslim
>>cultures.

Stuff about Falafel deleted.

>of the stuff that Ahmad and others have brought up, are not misconceptions
>in the eyes of the foreigners. They are true and living concepts in our
>country. To me, what Kaveh says, is "Aberoo moon ro jeloyeh inhA nabar"
>What Aberoo? We all know what we are. What does it matter what they 

Don't forget, as Aghassi says: IMAGE IS EVERYTHING :-)

>think of us? Not that they are so holly themselves.  Maybe he is
>right in the sense that we should not give the stereotypists and 
>prejudiced people any more ammunition than they have. But none of
>this changes any of the facts.

Of course he is right, and of course this doesn't 
change any of the facts, but as I said, he shouldn't
have done it(although he has all the right to do it) just
AS A MATTER OF POLICY. And that was the main point in my 
previous posting (if you had understood it objectively :-)
Let me requote it for you:
>But the important thing, to me at least as a matter of strategy, 
>is not to make your family affairs public, 
>so that others can later use it against you.

Nobody said Ahmad's points were lies or anything!

>>For example you cannot blame the CIA coup to overthrow Mossadegh,
>>on us (not the country :-), can you?? There are other examples of course...
>
>I sure as hell can do that. I can't blame you or I per say, because we 
>were not born then. But I can blame other Iranians for it. Iranians
>carried out that coup. CIA financed and planned it. Do names like
>Sha'bAn bi-mokh, (at the time) Sarhang Ne'matollAh Nassiri, Sephabod
>FazlollAh ZAhedi ring a bell??? They sound quite Iranian to me, don't
>they to you? 

They sure do. There were obviously still some bi-mokh and pro-Shah people 
around, BUT as you said yourself, it was FINANCED and PLANNED by the CIA!!!!
What else do you want??
Without the CIA it couldn't happen! (the hamAseyeh bist-o-hashte mordad 
I mean :-)

>Aref

Regards,
K1


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:00:13 GMT

tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             ) writes:

>During the past hour, I talked about Fuzzy Logics to my mathematician
            ^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^& ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>friend. 
 ^^^^^^
this is a very fuzzy statement ... :-)

> ... He claims that the subject in its total originality goes back
         ^^^^^^          ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to works of Skolem and Tarski, the father of mathematical logic. He

hmm any references to what literature he bases his claims on?
You may be interested in looking up Alfred Tarski's papers (1923-1938),
"Logic, Semantics, Metamathematics" translated by J. H. Woodger.  NY,
Oxford U press, 1956, where he presents ideas about `truth', and the
`relationship between language and the world it represents' (Hofstadter, 1979) 

>claims that Dr. Zadeh is the one who applied these to computer sciences
>and electrical engineering. 

Where would we be without the engineers (tap tap your iron ring folks :-))

>... He does not know whether his research was
>independent of works of others or not. Is there anybody out there with
 ^^^^^^^^^^^

hmmm again ... how can one's research be "independent" of works of others?

(Who was it that said "you can not copyright a concept although you can 
copyright a product/systems/etc built based on the basic principles of that
concept"?). 

>more informations about these? If you are fully aware of the subject       
>please send me an e-mail.

I'd rather continue to post here on this topic.

>                         Thank You

Any time
>                            Vahid

--df


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: arh@wam.umd.edu (Aarash Kamangeer)
Subject: Princples of Bahai'e Faith?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:56:08 GMT

>
>Learn the truth of the Baha'i Faith.  Study it with an open mind. Then
>judge it as you will. I am not interested whether you embrace it.  I am
>interested that you judge it fairly and not contribute to spreading
>untruths about it.
>
 Although I have heard alot about Baha'i faith, I had never found out the basic
princples (spiritual or social) that form this faith.  I think your call for 
understanding this religion before judging it based on the historical presumptions is appropriate.  I think that you should start such actions by explaining 
about your beliefs and practices, your ideals and worldview and your solutions  
to man's problems.       

As you indicated, this is the time for building bridges to commonalities while 
appreciating our differences.  Just may be by extending the limitations of our
perceptions, we can build a world a little better than before.

BA DOROUD,









Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: CREATION OF ALT.WANTED.MOSLEM HEIRARCHY
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:28:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


If you put talk.bizarre and misc.test in your kill file, the signal to noise
ratio for this group will return to normal.

The original poster was a man without any honor.

Check the newsgroups line to insure no inappropriate groups are listed.














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