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From: christy@b8.b8.ingr.com (Christine Gammage)
Subject: Material for breeches
Keywords: Breeches, sewing
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:53:53 GMT

My mother-in-law made me some breeches for Christmas (thanks, ma).  
However, the only fabric she could find was very light weight.  She 
did find some heavier material, but it only came in neon colors.
Sorry, but I'm not that much of a fashion plate.

Sometime ago (last year?) I saw somewhere (rec.equestrian, one
of my horse mags?) an address of where to order the type of
materials used for breeches.  Of course I saved it and filed it,
... somewhere.  Since it is probably the casualty of a disk
cleaning, does anyone have a company name, address, phone #, 
hint of where to look?


Thanks for any info.

Christy & Trouble.
        & Sonny (if he ever gets over 14 hands).

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Quarter horses
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:12:15 GMT

clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley) writes:

>micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz) writes:

>(story about looking for a quiet Quarterhorse to ride Western and
>the amazing price they get for such horses in Germany deleted)


>I just had to reply to this.~

>It is amazing what is popular in different places.  As those of us in
>NA know, to get a good German warmblood horse, can cost a fortune.
>Quarterhorses and grade horses suitable for what Michael wants can be
                                                  ^^^^^^^
>had very inexpensively here.~


Sorry, Claudia, I wasn't paying attention to who signed the post,
just where it had come from.
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Subject: Re:  How old is too old...
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:49:51 GMT

b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com writes:
>...  Apparently he had only been used as a roping/cowboy
>horse.  He didn't know leg yielding and wouldn't halt properly.  ...

Huh?  Perhaps you are confusing "Rambo" style riding with stock work.
I daresay you'll be hard pressed to find anything more responsive
than a good working stock horse.  Keyword here is "good" (as usual).

>He'd stop
>and then start pivoting his hindquarters.  Not a trick I wanted to teach my
>youngsters.  

You may have been inadvertantly queing him.  Or maybe he's just a bonehead... :)

>Opening gates on top of him would be impossible.  

Guess he wouldn't be much use to a cowboy, then, hmmmmm?

Think about it.

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: How Old is too Old?
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: dan@msen.com

DS | Bill Chamberlain (bchamber@vlin1.vsla.edu) wrote: : According to the
DS | Guiness Book of World Records 1989 the oldest horse : lived 62 years and
DS | was a Cleveland Bay cross (i.e. "Cold : Blood").  The oldest Thoroughbred
DS | lived to 42 years and died in : 1978 in Australia. 
DS | 
DS | Umm- a technicality here--a Cleveland Bay cross could be a warm blood too.
DS |  It depends on what the other parent was.  Also, I'm not totally sure that
DS | the Cleveland Bay is a cold blood itself.  It's right on the border, and
DS | the one's I've known have been more carriage type than draft.  
DS | 
DS | Karen

The Cleveland Bay is consider a warmblood, not a cold blood.  They were 
bred to be *coach* horses, just like Hannoverians -- which, 
incidentally, have a great deal of CB in their ancestory.  The world's 
largest herd of CBs is in Hannover, Germany.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Xmas silliness
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:58:19 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

Christmas is long over, but now that we're all back at work, I just
had to tell y'all about this.  Christmas Eve, my neighbor flagged me
down on my way home and gave me a wrapped package, from her 4 equines,
to my 4 equines.  Christmas morning, I opened it for my guys---a bag
of "Nookies" brand horse cookies, which they liked very much.  Hmmm,
how to reciprocate?

It was a beautiful day, and my husband wanted to do something with the
critters, so we settled on taking our (pinto) donkey, Shadow, for a
hike, and a scheme formed around that seed.  I raided our garden for 4
carrots, got 4 apples out of the storage shed, and packaged them into
plastic produce bags tied into "saddlebags" with ribbon and a gift
card (from our herd to the neighbor's).  We put Shadow's driving
saddle on her (to have something to attach things to), then tied on a
short string of "sleigh bells" (a cheap door-hanging, not the real
thing, unfortunately).  I draped the bags of carrots and apples across
her back and attached it to the saddle, then plopped a Santa cap
between her ears, with the back edge of it tucked under her halter
crown piece and the pompom draped fetchingly down onto her forehead.
Introducing "Sant-Hee-Haws", bringing presents to good little equines!

Shadow was not impressed, and spent the first several minutes with her
lips squinched up like she had just sucked on a lemon---Jeez, the
things that donkeys have to put up with!  However, by the time we had
hiked up to the neighbor's, Shadow was resigned to her role.  The
neighbor (and her kids, and the grandkids) were all suitably amused,
at which point Shadow turned into a ham, greeting everyone.  I hope
the pictures turn out....

Season's greetings, and best wishes for the New Year!

Marsha Jo Hannah
La Honda, Ca

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: figment@eng.umd.edu (Scott Novell)
Subject: Trail Riding in Boston
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 02:00:57 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa


  Hi.  I am likely going on a trip to Boston to visit a friend and I would
like to know of any companies/barns that do trail rides in or around the
Boston area, both for experienced and inexperienced riders.  And in English
equipment.
  
  Also (not horse related), anyone living in Boston know of interesting places
to see or go to that in (around) Boston that are open late at night?  The
person I am seeing works nights, so even on her days off she sleeps in the
day and is up all night.

 Thanks for any help...

 -Scott

(No fancy sig but puts his own claim in for the UMEA horses - 
  Darla, Casey, Classy, Playboy, Tambien, Quaker, Vern, Bud, Nehi, Dee)
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re:  How old is too old...
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:00:44 CST
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

In article <1993Jan6.184951.20527@sequent.com>, karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz) writes:
> Huh?  Perhaps you are confusing "Rambo" style riding with stock work.
> I daresay you'll be hard pressed to find anything more responsive
> than a good working stock horse.  Keyword here is "good" (as usual).
> 
Before we start a Western vs. English flame fest let me state that I was
talking about horses used mainly in local roping competitions, not a ranch
horse.  This horse was taught to chase steers, not any points of trail riding.
And, in this area of Texas, we do have a large share of the "cowboy/Rambo"
style of riders who train their horses accordingly.  I've also seen a local
show with a trail class with some of the most responsive horses I've ever 
seen.  

I've seen too many excellent horses of every training persuasion, but, the
"competition ropers" around here do seen to be very fidgety when ridden on 
the trail.

All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
From: crowede@ucs.orst.edu (Debra Crowe)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:19:24 GMT
Organization: UCS, Oregon State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: crowede-mac.ucs.orst.edu


>: Sherri - what you are describing does not sound like a Natural-Ride.  I have
a 
>: Natural-Ride saddle.  Got it from Colorado Saddlery.  In Oregon, as well as 
>: some other states, bare-back saddles are illegal.  They can no longer be
sold.  

Since when are bareback pads illegal in Oregon?? I was in a tack store this
weekend and could have bought ten of them... besides, I have one and use it all
the time! No tickets yet ;)

Debra Crowe                          Email:crowede@ucs.orst.edu
University Computing Services        Phone: (503)737-2998
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR 97331
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:11:25 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan6.222914.7390@gvl.unisys.com> red@prc.unisys.com writes:
>Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
>common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
>but is this deposit usually refundable?



It's my experience that it would not be refundable unless the horse
doesn't pass the vet check, or if something drastic changes about the
horse.  Of course, horses hardly ever pass vet checks with flying
colors, so maybe that means deposits are always refundable!

_Sarah Pallas


From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:32:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Trakehner decision
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Devon-Aire
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:37:28 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

Someone was asking about Devon-Aire boots.  Here is the number and
address of the company so you can ask questions directly instead of
going through the distributors.

    Devon-Aire
    4904 Savarese Circle
    P.O. Box 25112
    Tampa, FL  33622
    813-884-9544

If anyone calls, please ask them for me whether they've released their
007 ladies breech, 70 cotton/30 nylon.  We're looking for cooler
breeches here in Houston, and they told me they were going to have
this new kind out soon.

-Sarah Pallas
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Boots, boots, boots..
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:15:04 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.larc.nasa.gov

[ dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) Karen(?) writes:]
>Go to where you bought then or contact Dehner to see if they will alter
>the boots.  I seen to recall that Dehner will do some alterations.

 Yeah, that's was my original line of attack. Face hit brick wall -
 do not pass GO, do not collect boots that fit.

 The saddlery shop that was the Dehner distributor in the area
 (2 hours away) is no longer listed with the telephone company. hmmmmm
 Dehner said,'oh yeah, we can add a strip of leather down the back
 for $100. But first have the back seam opened and see if the foot
 still fits.' o.k. I did that. And they BARELY fit (like only with
 hose - what if my foot swells with temperature?) It's the instep area
 that's incredibly tight (only on the left foot). Do you think they 
 can alter that, too? That begins to be a whole nother boot, to me.

[stuff deleted]

>The Elan was the same boot as the Grand Prix, which should still be
>available. Don't count on a consistent fit in either though.  We used to
>measure the calf of every pair that came in.  The same size (regular, wide
>or extra wide) could vary by as much as 1.5 inches!  Bond (Effingham) was
>much more consistent.

 Lovely. :/

>Another option to try is semi custom.  At one point, both DevonAire and
>Bond were doing this.  You had to have a stock foot, but the leg of the
>boot could be altered to fit you.  Check with your local shops to see if
>this is still an option.  

>In off the rack boots, the Bond tends to be the tallest, the Grand Prix
>(Elan) in the middle and the DevonAire the shortest.  Also, the regular,
>wide and extra wide designations mean different things to different
>companies.  When you are shopping for boots, plan on it taking a while to
>try on differnt pair.  We used to figure 1 to 1.5 hours was average.  Make
>sure you try them on over the type of breeches you will be wearing to ride.
> A full seat breech adds more to your leg than a simple nylon breech.

>Karen

 o.k.! now we're getting somewhere! Anyone know a catalog with
 DevonAire (let's immediately hone in on the shortest!) and/or
 the 'semi-custom' approach? I generally don't have a problem 
 with the basic shoe size, as long as I can get a 5 or 6.
 About what is a DevonAire going to cost?

 There were boots in the Dressage Extensions catalog around the
 $400-$600 mark that may very well have been 'semi-custom.'
 Please tell me this is not a general 'semi-custom' price!
 The local tack shop only has 3 pairs of dress boots, one of 
 which is their 'custom made' sampler. So they're really no help.

THANKS EVERYONE! I may actually end up with a pair of boots that fit
out of this! Isn't netland wonderful?

patty
From: kmatthes@mizar.usc.edu (Kathy Matthes)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: help finding horse poems, plays, quotes, vignettes
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:57:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu


We are trying to organize a short collage of vignettes about horses,
which may include slides and music with dramatic or comedic readings/skits
for our Annual Awards Banquet (T.E.S. Combined Training Club).

Does anyone know of any books with poems about horses, or plays that
have sections about horses (we've got Equus and something from
Auntie Mame), or vignettes--comedic or dramatic--about riding?

We can pull something creative together from lots of different pieces, but
we need to find the pieces first!

Please reply directly to my email account:  matthes@mizar.usc.edu

Thanks!

Kathy
Traditional Equitation School
Burbank, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: bchamber@vlin1.vsla.edu (Bill Chamberlain)
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Organization: Virginia State Library
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:22:16 GMT

As a professional who has been involved in many sales, this is
my two cents worth.  If a buyer requests first option, then
they should make a "non-refundable" deposit.  Untill that
happens, the first person to put up the cash, gets the horse.
Do not take multiple deposits of any nature on one horse, this
is unethical and may be illegal in many states.  If a request
is made to purchase subject to a vet check, it is generally
wise to request a deposit which can be negotiated as either
refundable or not - i.e. if the horse fails the check due to
some major problem, the money should be refunded.  This is
common on the three continents that I have worked as a
professional.  Once some one offers your price, take the money
and sell before disaster strikes!

Bill Chamberlain
Richmond Virginia
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pattyh@sequent.com (Patricia A. Hansen)
Subject: Need FTP information!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:44:40 GMT


Hello all!

I've just figured out how to ftp stuff, and now I no longer
have the information for the horse gifs that someone had
posted.  Does anyone have the information so I can get these
gifs?

Many thanks!

Patty
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Cory_Finn@qmgate.arc.nasa.gov (Cory Finn)
Subject: A Horse for X-mas!
Organization: NASA - Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:13:04 GMT

I just couldn't resist telling you all about my new horse!

Here's the story:
     On Christmas morning I opened up the last present under the
tree, and lo and behold, it's a halter and lead rope with the name
"DL Miss T" on it. It was a complete surprise! I cried, of course.

     She's the daughter of Topaz, the horse I have been half-leasing
and just adore. And Miss T is just like her mom! She's an adorable
2 year old purebred Arabian (will be three in March). She's kind of
chesnut colored now (will be grey) with a white blaze and one white
sock. She's not going to be very big (probably 14.2) which is good for
me, since I'm only 4'11". She'll go Western pleasure like her mom I 
think. She has a very laid back, people-loving attitude.

     By the way, I'm now in desperate need of equipment for her, so...
If anyone out there has things like blankets, sheets (size 70 or 72),
Western saddle (16" seat, Arab tree), bridle, etc., that you're not using
anymore and want to sell please, please, please let me know. (I'm in
the San Jose, CA area).


     Many more horse stories (and problems) to come, I'm sure!

Cory Finn and Miss T
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Re: Help! My horse won't drink!!
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:49:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.144448.1192@mala.bc.ca> bigrasl@mala.bc.ca writes:
>HELP!!! My horse is drinking hardley any water.  We have had 1 1/2 feet of snow
>for the past 10 days.  The last three days my horse's water consumption has
>dropped to 1/4 of what she normally drinks at night.  Last night I gave her a
>bran mash with salt, oats, carrots etc. in hopes to get her consumption up and
>she still only drnk 1/4 of a bucket.  I have tried giving her warmer water but
>but the time she thinks about drinking it has gone cold.  I've also tried
>putting  an apple in her water bucket to  tempt her to drink but she just
>knocks over the water bucket to get to the apple.  I have been thinking of
>adding beet pulp and alfalfa cubes to her rations so that she will be getting
>some water but I am afraid this will not be enough. 
>I have to be careful about adding things to her water because she is very fussy 
>and will not drink strange smelling water. 
>Any suggestions?
>	Lydia & Oriah Dawn
>
 I recently read an article that said that most horses perfer to 
drink water in the morning or mid day during the winter. It went
on to say that horses tend not to drink as much at night due to
the temperture drop. When a horse eats or drinks at night, most
of the body heat is used in aiding digestion instead of keeping 
the body warm. Also if your horse is out on pasture all day. He
or she may be getting plenty of h20 from grazing on snowy pasture.
One way to check to see if your horse is getting enough fluids
is to check the gums by pressing a finger on the gums quickly 
and see if the pinkish color returns quikly. If it takes longer 
than 10 seconds then your horse could be dehydrated.

  Pam B.

>


From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:46:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Trakehner decision
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I don't know much at all (translate to 'anything') about breeding.  So
could someone please explain what 'cull' is???

Thanks
Kim K
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: loss of hair
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:33:56 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <7JAN199312474588@watson.bms.com>, gibson@watson.bms.com (Minde Gibson) writes:
> I purchased a used New Zealand Turnout Rug for my Quarter Horse in the fall
> and since the weather has turned colder he has worn it.  My concern is that
> he is losing his hair at various pressure(friction?) points.  I have tried
> loosening the rug some but this seems to have no effect.  Next year he will
> probably be left naked(since he's partially destroyed the rug anyway).
> 
> Will his hair grow back or will he be bald in these spots for good now??
> 
> Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated.
> 
>                                  Minde, M&M's Van Go
> 

Fit is a big consideration--if it doesn't fit it will rub.
Some horse are more sensitive especially if the lining is
a rough material.  I find that a Nylon, or other slippery
material, lining will chafe much less that wool or fleece.

You might try putting a nylon sheet under the Turnout.
I've never tried the WunderCover, but it was nice to see
some good comments about them in other posts.  I may have
to try one.

I've always used Big-D nylon blankets in the winter, and
the only rubs we got were on the right shoulder (he stall
walks to the left).  This year I bought a Big-D turnout
with a wool lining and really regret the choice in lining,
and will probably order one with a nylon lining next year.
Although the wool is warm and is nice in damp weather, he 
can never wear the blanket in his stall--cause of the stall
walking :-(, so he wears a clean, dry, not rolled in the mud, 
nylon blanket when in at night.  Due to the wool lining he,
in general has had more chafing than he ever got with just 
the nylon blankets.
(I also haven't figured out how best to wash the turnout;
the nylon blankets wash nicely in my regular washer)

For a Quarter horse with a bulkier build you may want to
look for companies that make blankets to fit that build.
I've never seen any that fit as well, and stay put as well
as the Big-D (I don't work for Big-D, I am just a very
satisfied customer).  I believe BMB blankets also have a 
fit that is geared more to the Quarter Horse build.

Melanie
   and Quest
-- 
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          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
**************************************************************
"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant.
Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
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From: tim@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Tim Pointing)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horsey Hams- Net on Wednesday
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:04:48 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In a recent article, steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) quoted
Teresa as saying:
>To: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu
>
>TB . Try again for next Wednesday night, Dec 16th, same times (5:45 PST, 6:45MST,
>TB . 7:45 CST, 8:45 EST), again at 14.270 + or - 10.  I'm not quite ready to
>TB . give up yet!  I want to talk to some you other netters!  Hope to hear 
>TB . the Equestrian Net next week!

Wahhhh!! Who picked that time anyway ?! At that time, every Wednesday, I
am tacking up a horse for my riding lesson. While I don't have any ham
equipment, I do have a decent receiver and would like to at least try
evesdropping ;-) I understand that we are having trouble getting people
on the ham-net - perhaps a different night would be better (it would
certainly be better for me ;-) How about Friday or on the weekend?
-- 
	  Tim Pointing, DCIEM
Internet: tim@dciem.dnd.ca or tim@ben.dciem.dnd.ca
UUCP:	  ...!utzoo!dciem!tim
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: RE: Horsey Hugs
Keywords: hugs
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:35:58 GMT


  My most memorable hug was last summer when my horse spotted me
opening the gate. She trotted across the field and stopped short of 
knocking me over. As soon as she got to me she just plopped
her her down on my shoulder. My heart just melted! I am long
over due for another one.

      Pam B.

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian