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From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Know Thy Enemy
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:52:20 GMT
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	<1992Jul29.150410.9901@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
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Organization: NMSU Computer Science

<In article <156gbuINNnsc@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
<   Well, I think I've been reading enough of this newsgroup to figure out
<   the two main Republican posters: Crisp and Galvanek.

	WHICH newsgroup? alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,
	alt.politics.perot or talk.politics.misc?

	If you can't read the newsgroup line, what else 
	have you neglected to read?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: sullivan@dalek.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Wendy Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: C. S. U.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:04:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.125845.16877@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) writes:
>
>  I used to have hope.  I used to think that the American people 
>could see through the BS when it really mattered, that when the 
>situation got bad enough, they would do the right thing.  
>
>  Now I see Tsongas pushed aside for having the integrity to 
>discuss cutting entitlements and balancing the budget.  I see
>Brown laughed at for suggesting serious cuts in military spending.  
>I see Perot drop out, apparently because he recognized that the 
>only way to fix the ailing economy is to take unpopular stances.
>Raising taxes is political suiside, you see.  
>
>  Does _anyone_ truely believe that either Bush or Clinton can turn 
>the nation's economy around in only 4 years?  Neither has a serious 
>plan to tackle the defecit.  Their entire platforms revolve around 
>getting in (or staying in) the Oval Office.  That's winning the game.
>
>  Do we elect people who are able to do the difficult job of running 
>this country, making things work, getting things done?  No.  We elect 
>the people who look nice and make us feel good.  They may not be able 
>to do the job, but _what_ interviewing skills.  
>
>  Yes, we put them there, again and again.  We complain, but we get 
>used to it.  Governmental mediocrity and incompetence become the norm.  
>'Politics' becomes a dirty word, 'politician' becomes a synonym for liar.  
>'Leadership' becomes a hollow buzz-word - devoid of meaning.  Each party
>blames the other for all problems and neither can see their own faults.  
>It's like a bad divorce - perhaps it is.
>
>  When the leader of Iraq lies to your face, do you get mad?  I hope so.
>But, when the leader of the United States lies to your face, are you 
>angry?  No.  You're used to it, it's a common event (especially in an 
>election year).   
>
>  Politicians can count on the voter's greed and self-interest. They say 
>'people vote their pocketbooks'.  This is actually an understatement: 
>people vote for ice cream, a popular cure for tummy-ache.  
>
>  People are stupid.
>
>  In '84  Reagan swept Mondale. It was called a landslide, yet only half 
>the eligable voters turned out at the polls.  25% of our potential 
>voters constitute a landslide.  
>
>  I used to think the American people deserved better.  Now I think we 
>get the government we deserve.  
>
>  I used to have hope.  Now I'm resigned to 4 more years of incompetent
>deceit, regardless who wins.
>
>=brian
>

Bravo!  I thought I was the only one that thought this way....

Wendy

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: HRP Cartoon
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:27:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.014800.14634@kpc.com> emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>	His economic platform was just released yesterday. Too bad he 
>didn't stay in the ring long enough to try and sell it- it makes
>clinton's plan look like a fluff piece. There's alot of
>meat in it, hardly "snippets", and little industrial policy. It did have
>tax increases and massive spending cuts, however. 

Can anyone post Perot's economic plan? I haven't seen a detailed
plan in this newsgroup.

Thanx,

John

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: AIDS and those damn democrats
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.182446.25402@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra) writes:
>      That's nice, Paul.  Now please leave talk.bizarre.

Gee, is all this cross-posting degrading the quality of
talk.bizarre?  And if some of these postings don't belong
there (ref. Tom Noyes [aka 'anonymous']), I'm at something
of a loss to know what does.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: puccio@media.mit.edu (Jim Puccio)
Subject: Re: Space Alien endorses Clinton campaign
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
	<1992Jul29.225045.23291@news.columbia.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:03:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.225045.23291@news.columbia.edu> 
  egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

> Free Trade Pact with Mars!  We can begin manufacturing Dan Quayle Action
> Figures!  Pat his head, and he'll say, "Cultural Elite".  Pat his stomach and
> he'll say, "It's right phoenetically, but you're missing something..."'
> Martian will buy it!

Y'know, I don't know why it took so long to dawn on me, but Quayle's "cultural
elite" nonsense is really just a replay of Spiro T. Agnew's famous line about
"effete intellectual snobs."  Come to think of it, have you ever seen Dan-boy
and the Spirochete together in the same place?  Huh?  Huh?  See?  See?

Repugnican Prez: "Sic 'em Igor!"

Repugnican VP:   *snort* *pant* *drool*  "Yes, master ..."  *shuffle* *snort*
    "Effete intellectual snobs!"  *pant* *shuffle* *drool*  "Cultural elite!"
    *pant*  "Kill PBS!"  *snort*  "No art fag funding!"  *dribble* *hobble*
    *snort*  "Family values!"  *burp* *snort*  "Did I do good, master?"

Repugnican Prez: "Yes, Igor, very good.  And because you've been so good, you
    can now go torture the working women in the basement.  Run along and play,
    now, Saddam and I want to be alone.  Oh, I almost forgot, be sure to 
    torture them under the glass ceiling, so we can watch from up here."

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| "Anybody who knows Dan Quayle knows he would rather play golf than have sex |
| any day"                                                                    |
|     -- Marilyn Quayle, "defending" Dan from accusations of womanizing       |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Er, Mar, is that really true?  *Anybody* who knows Dan knows that?  Phew!  |
+---------+---------------------------------------------------------+---------+
| Hi, BC. |   Dan's GPA was 2.16.  He needed 2.6 for grad school.   | Hi, CJ. |
+---------+                    So how'd he get in?                  +---------+
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra)
Subject: Re: BUSH
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: t.b
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:05:21 GMT

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> That's nice, but why don't you try sending dozens of these by mail to
> individual people

     Instead of posting like *you* did, you silly
hypocrite?

     But getting back to your question, sorry,
but no.  We're getting swamped with scores of
these Bush/Clinton articles.  I don't have time
to individually write people for a week to ten
days to two weeks or whenever the stupid thread
dies, as meanwhile more and more people come out
of the woodwork and respond to the thread and
change its subject, etc.

     This way everything is out in the open,
there's a brief fuss, and then it's over.  Or
people get upset and start a massive war.
Whatever.  Either prospect is far more tolerable
than wading through two more weeks of articles
from alt.politics.bush and alt.politics.clinton,
and even worse, articles that really should be
posted to talk.abortion but are cluelessly
posted to alt.politics.bush and
alt.politics.clinton and hence wind up in
talk.bizarre.

> instead of you and you alone bombing another
> newsgroup with them?

     So far.  I'm just the first scout.  At least
I've been polite, if somewhat annoying.  If I don't
come back alive, the reinforcements come and then
the shit *really* hits the fan.  By then I'll just
be a pleasant memory and these will be the good
old days.

--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Space Alien endorses Clinton campaign
Keywords: Drops all Bush support...has seen the light
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:22:40 GMT

In article <Bs6H18.FDH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gt38091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg ) writes:
>kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>
>>     The Weekly World News shows our photogenic friend from parts
>>unknown shaking hands with Bill Clinton this week. With this kind
>>of extra-terrestrial support, the Democrats are sure to win the 
>>White House...Bush was quoted as mumbling something about friends
>>in high places...
>
>are you sure the "extra-terrestrial" wasn't jerry brown???  **hehe*

Nope.  Saw the picture.  Too thin.  Jerry on a diet?



Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: BUSH
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:48:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.135531.6582@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>
>>>
>>>Please move this discussion out of talk.bizarre and into misc.jobs.offered.
>>>I'm sure it will cheer up all the people looking for work.
>>
>>If you don't want follow-ups in talk.bizarre, seems to me you
>>shouldn't reply to it from there.
>
>Ok, folks. One more time. IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE YOU REPLY TO A THREAD
>FROM. If you read it in t.b., you can still take it out of t.b. All I
>am asking is that YOU EDIT TALK.BIZARRE OUT OF THE NEWSGROUPS LINE,no matter
>which newsgroup you read it in. It doesnt matter where it came from; it is
>up to YOU, the one who is following up, to put the article in its proper 
>place. So please, if you are following up an article, EDIT TALK.BIZARRE
>OUT OF THE NEWSGROUPS LINE. It's so simple, a child could do it.
>
>is this too much to ask, mr. mccall? Or are you not allowed to edit the
>newsgroups line where you post?
>
No, I put talk.bizarre back into the newsgroups line when notes are
posted from there.  I do this because of the responses I got when I
asked someone to not bomb the alt.politics groups with dozens of notes
whining about misposts to talk.bizarre and to take it to mail instead.
They declined, and when I pointed out that that was a great way to
start an inter-newsgroup flamewar, their response was along the lines
of 'oh, well'.

Perhaps you'd like to tell me what editing newsgroups lines has to do
with politics?  Physician, heal thyself.  Maybe you guys over there
should take care of your own, Mr. Dobson?

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:31:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.041531.10665@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.065104.17506@m2xenix.psg.com>, michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy) writes:
>
>|> His ideas are being touted by everybody
>|> to some degree, including Perot who supports the gas tax.  
>
>
>The only reason that Clinton won out over Tsongas is that he was willing
>to put his campaign in deeper debt than Tsongas was.

Plus he was also more willing to throw more mud and has a better
'public presence'.  Of course, I'm not sure that Tsongas would feel
particularly bad about his ideas being touted by everybody.  After
all, if we're all agreed that they are good ideas, to we REALLY care
who implements them?  As long as the person in the White House can get
them implemented.


-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson)
Subject: Re: GEORGE WILL: Bush should leave
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:45:26 GMT

coyote@leland.Stanford.EDU (The White Blackbird) writes:

anyone care to thread this into a "side-effects of Halcyon"
discussion?
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:354 alt.politics.clinton:1051 talk.bizarre:23854
From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
Subject: Space Alien endorses Clinton campaign
Keywords: Drops all Bush support...has seen the light
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:11:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


     The Weekly World News shows our photogenic friend from parts
unknown shaking hands with Bill Clinton this week. With this kind
of extra-terrestrial support, the Democrats are sure to win the 
White House...Bush was quoted as mumbling something about friends
in high places...
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:197 alt.politics.clinton:625 comp.sys.dec:4174
From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:21:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul23.171737.7106@PA.dec.com> mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com (Charles Mok) writes:
>
>In article <STRANGE.92Jul23171445@hang.dec.com>, strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange) writes...
>....rumor deleted

>How can anyone believe some rumor as silly as that?  
>
>1.  Bush is not as dumb as that.

Most likely true.

>2.  DEC is definitely not as important as that.

Well, further big layoffs at DEC would probably make Page 1 of the WSJ.
Probably not _that_ important, but up there.  Now if it were IBM... :-(

>3.  No government contract is worth risking the integrity of the company like  
>    that.  Not for this company.

I'm not very sure DEC has any integrity left.  What's there to risk?  First
the whole Jupiter mess, and then the bit about OSF/1 on MIPS.  Oh, so sorry.
I guess in the latter case, promises were simply _about_ to be broken.  On the
other hand, maybe we were all just being jerked around to see what kind of
response there'd be.  

I think I'd probably still buy hardware from DEC, if I could afford to, in any
of my capacities.  Why?  Because Alpha looks like a very nice architecture.  On
the other hand, any talk of integrity is right out.  I worked at DEC.  I won't
trust them any further than I can throw a 2060.
>
>Charles
>
>
>---
>Charles Mok/Digital Equipment Corporation
>Santa Clara Commercial Account Group, Santa Clara, California
>INTERNET: mok@fortsc.enet.dec.com  UUCP: ....!decwrl!fortsc.dec.enet.com!mok
>---


-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon	 tls@panix.COM

"Better be careful there.  John might decide to start taking legal action
against people who refuse to buy stuff from him."  --Kevin McBride
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory
From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson)
Subject: Re: I'm still a republican, but not a happy one
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:18:41 GMT

mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee) writes:

>The best way to make the Reps and Dems more Libertarian is to vote for
>Libertarians.  As more of us do that, they will lose more elections, then
>they will listen to us, read our literature, and borrow ideas from our
>candidates and platform.

did i miss something?  have the repubs and dems been losing elections?
have the libertarians been winning any?

>That is how the Socialists got almost every one of their ideas passed
>into law.

does this mean we are now a socialist country?  did i miss that too?
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:387 talk.politics.misc:36732
From: lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Know Thy Enemy
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:18:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

Well, I think I've been reading enough of this newsgroup to figure out
the two main Republican posters: Crisp and Galvanek.

Crisp will print any argument against the Democrats, no matter how
scurrilous, without thinking how it plays out. I must admit, some of
them sound plausible -- at first only! For example, he says being a
governor isn't enough prep to be President. Hmmm. How about Reagan, his
idol. How about Abe Lincoln, who served a couple terms in Congress years
before becoming President. Turns out it's just another slander against
Clinton.

Now he's looking at the service record of Danny Boy Quayle. He tells us
what a hard and dangerous job the National Guard has. Well, some units
do. But not DQ's. He was attached to the State Capitol Building as a
press officer, remember? The only danger was that a typewriter might
fall on his toe. And he hasn't even begun to explain why this was an
acceptable position for someone as hawkish as DQ: the first person to
think the Vietnam War was SO important he wasn't good enough to fight in
it. (Compare Gore -- anti-war, served anyway)

Incidentally, how can we forget that DQ got this assignmet the same way
he got into law school -- by having his family (the richest in Indiana,
isn't it?) pull strings. You know, affirmative action for white boys.

Galvanek is even sicker. He will be covered in an upcoming post.

andy
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:150 alt.politics.clinton:513 comp.sys.dec:4160
From: coar@Nephi.Enet.DEC.Com (Rodent of Unusual Size)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: DEC deal with Bush
Summary: I've heard it, but..
Keywords: DEC, layoffs, Q4 loss
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:54:00 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Organisation: Employed by (*NOT* speaker for) DEC, Boxborough, MA, U.S.A.


In article <1992Jul23.174644.8704@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) writes...
>tw1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tse-Sung Wu) writes:
> 
>>NOTE CROSS-POSTINGS--
> 
>>I am not interested in a flame or even mildly heated debate about the
>>candidates.  I just have a rumor that I'd like to know if anyone could
>>confirm or deny.  I haven't seen anything posted on the net.  If I
>>missed something, please forgive the rehashing.
> 
>>The daughter of a classmate of mine works at DEC somewhere and said that
>>it is common knowledge among DEC employees (the story is purportedly
>>floating about on DEC's email net) that a huge (30,000? employee) layoff
>>has been _postponed_ until after the election at the request of
>>President Bush.  And that the latter offered DEC hefty contracts in
>>return for the postponement.
> 
>>Is this just a rumor, 'cause I haven't seen anything about this in the
>>papers.  Not interested in flames, just want to know if this is just a
>>rumor.

    I heard the rumour, but didn't (and don't) give it much credence.

>supporting info:  DEC fouth quarter loss for '91 was $1.8Bil.

    Just to set the record straight on this point..  The loss mentioned above
    is for the YEAR, not the fourth quarter alone, and US$ 1,500 million of it
    is restructuring charges voluntarily assumed by the company.  This should
    NOT be read as a straightforward loss of US$ 1,800 million due to lack of
    sales or other revenue.

    #ken    :-)}	Jeratol the Chaotic

Coar@Nephi.Enet.DEC.Com	 | All opinions herein contained, stated or implied,
Coar@DECUS.Org		 | are solely those of the author.  And he's fullovem.
Coar@Eisner.DECUS.Org	 | `... it was mine art, ... that made gape the pine 
Massachusetts, USA       | and let thee out.'  - Prospero (_The Tempest_)
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:114 alt.politics.clinton:459 alt.politics.perot:1048 talk.politics.misc:35552
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thoughts on '92
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.politics.perot, crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.211633.9704@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou28
>1.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>      ...[Perot] can't run the U.S. like its a
>>corporation; the presidency is not a CEO position.

>I beg to differ with your comment. The president is the chief EXECUTIVE.
>He runs the EXECUTIVE branch. CEO=Chief Executive Officer.

    Yes, but the president cannot run the U.S. like its a corporation;
the presidency is NOT a [corporate] CEO position.

    The President does not have carte blanche for raising prices (taxes) 
for it's products (Gov. services).  He MUST work all price changes out 
with the board of directors (Congress).
    The President cannot change the framework of rules (laws) that all
employees (federal workers) must adhere to without getting approval
from the board of directors (Congress).  And if his employees do violate
the rules they are not only fired, they go to jail. (e.g. Watergate)
    The president cannot change the product line without direct approval 
from the board of directors (Congress).  The president may be directed 
to produce goods which he/she doesn't want to produce, if a 2/3 majority 
of the board thinks it is a good idea.

    I don't know of ANY corporate CEOs who: 
1) Doesn't control the money
2) Doesn't make the rules  
3) Doesn't determine the product mix.

    In short, the Presidency is like an NFL coaching position, with Congress
as the team owner, the Supreme court as refferees, the constitution
as the rules of the game, and the voters as fans. The President gets 
to call the plays, but doesn't have control of the money.
    A president who cannot convince the board (Congress) of the wisdom 
of his/her plans isn't going to get a lot done.

Tim Smith
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections