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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Testing Ethernet Card
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:23:58 GMT


The price of NE2000 compatible cards is S $165 and less but they will not
let my try on my system. THE reason could be that they are not keen on 
selling to individuals. They are not even keen to test it on their systems.
	These cards are mostly made in Taiwan. I believe the manufacturer
may be more keen to let people test their cards but the salesmen are locals
who believe that they know everything there is to know about networking.
	The same is true with display cards but that is easy to test.

Is it possible to test an ethernet card on just one machine? I'm thinking
of sending from localhost to the ethernet card?
	I no longer believe in probe because of bad experience with 3Com
cards. It did not detect any problem except the message inteerupt 9,
instead of 2? Is this a clue?

Any comment is most appreciated?
--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: rwu@arran.bellcore.com (Ronald W Underwood)
Subject: Trouble Switching to MultiUser Mode
Summary: My 386BSD get stuck in single-user mode at reboot.
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: comp
Date:  7 Oct 92 14:43:01 GMT

I had been running fine with drive 0 on my Adaptec 1542B scsi controller 
with one giant filesystem in partition a for root and usr, and it would boot 
correctly and automatically go into multiuser mode.
I recently added a second disk as scsi id=1, ran disklabel, creating an a,b 
and h partition for root, swap, and usr respectively, ran newfs on the a and h 
partitions and then tar'd the /usr from drive 0 to drive 1 partition h and 
everything else under / on drive 0 into partition a on drive 1.

When I then switched drive id's and tried booting from the new drive 0,
the system would go through the autoprobe code but then stop at the 
singleuser prompt, with the root filesystem mounted read-only. Doing a ps
showed that init was running with the -s flag. If I remounted / read-write,
fsck'd and hit ctrl-D, it would switch to multiuser, but at next reboot
would still stop at the singleuser prompt as before.

I have a 200meg DOS partition first on the disk, and when I tried booting
DOS it failed, so I ran Norton Disk Doctor which patched up what it called
a corrupted DOS master boot record. Could this have something to do with the
problem?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
--
				Ron Underwood
				Distributed Systems Research Group
				rwu@bellcore.com
				(201) 829-3317
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: .xinitrc&window manager for XFree86
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:36:07 GMT


The .xinitrc is important for a beginner to X window users.
It calles the twm (tab window manager) supplied with the XFree86. In
fact I took this from the startx manual.
	For a 3button mouse like mousesystems,the functions are:

postion		left 		middle		right

background	calls menu
on window	select region	return		select up to
on top bar	select/raise	down window	?

Keyboard commands are:

ctrl+alt+del  = kill server (useful to get out of a crash)
ctrl+alt+-    = toggle modes( try this a few times to get a nice picture/size)

Any other key commands? Where can I get the info?

Any other window managers?
What is the point of having the xdm?


           xrdb  -load  $HOME/.Xresources
           xsetroot  -solid  gray  &
#           xbiff  -geometry  -430+5  &
           oclock  -geometry  75x75-0-0  &
           xload  -geometry  -80-0  &
           xterm  -geometry  +0+60  -ls  &
           xterm  -geometry  +0-100  &
           xconsole  -geometry  -0+0  -fn  5x7  &
           exec  twm

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: ganter@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Ganter)
Subject: Re: IAnyone seen this with XFree86 1.1 and 386bsd?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:34:12 GMT

scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner) writes:

>Whan I type X or xinit the screen flips into graphics mode
>and shows me a bunch of un-inited stuff on the screen. Then
>the screen flips back to text mode and the server exits with
>no error message. (xinit says the pipe to the server was
>broken.)
Scott,  The MOST important hint I've seen in configuring X is
the following posted earlier (maybe 1 month ago).  Try this

xinit >& filename

This will write the X messages into the file "filename".  When
X is having trouble with clock speeds, etc it will write the
clocks speeds it likes for your card in this file.  Good Luck...Mark

Mark Ganter/Univ of Washington/Dept of Mech Engr/FU-10/Seattle, WA 98195 USA
ganter@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: stripes@pix.com (Josh Osborne)
Subject: Re: Adding Swapspace ??
Organization: Pix Technologies -- The company with no adult supervision
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:36:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.201806.21519@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:
[...]
>And people wonder why I recommend putting the swap last, just before a
>DOS partition.  The reason is to allow you to back up your DOS (for which
>there is good, fast, reliable backup available, much as it pains me to say

What's wrong with the rdump, or tar cf - | rsh box.with.tape cat \>/dev/rst08?
Or getting a tape with a working driver...

>it), move the DOS partition, and simply blow the disk label to increase
>your swap.  Restore the DOS garbage to the DOS partition.
>
>What we really need is the ability to swap to a file (any file -- say an
>NFS mounted one, for instance) and get rid of the idea of a swap
>partition altogether.  Then you make a default swap file out of a
>bunch of contiguous file system blocks; if you let it grow, you pay
>for it being discontinuous then; at least you don't have to reinstall.

 You also pay for going through the filesystem, the obvious costs of
having to use the indirect blocks becuse FFS is optimised for SMALL
files, not big ones.  FFS will also limit how comtiguous your data
blocks can be, part of each cyl group is reserved for inodes, and your
swapfile is going to be large enough to cover scads of cyl groups.  I also
seem to remember something about the FFS not allowing a big file to fill
an entire cyl group, to allow the inodes in that cyl group to be close
to the data blocks FFS assumes you will someday want close to them (but
I am unsure of this part).  You will (prob) also have the wrong inode
to data ratio.  I also don't think LSFS would be good for swaping on
either (but you could roll-back the swapfile :-).  You would still
want to be able to have >1 swap source so you can get multiple disks 
involved.

 That said, I think swaping on a file may be a good idea for (a) a stopgap
fix, and (b) it may make us design a filesystem that works well for
swap-like files, and (c) if you get a filesystem that does disk striping
wouldn't you want swap on it?  (Please don't try to put swap on a
auto-compressing filesystem 'tho)

Please find a better way to swap over the network then NFS 'tho...
(ND anyone?  RVD?)
-- 
           stripes@pix.com              "Security for Unix is like
      Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The          Multitasking for MS-DOS"
      "The dyslexic porgramer"                  - Kevin Lockwood
We all agree on the necessity of compromise.  We just can't agree on
when it's necessary to compromise.       - Larry Wall
From: rich@Rice.edu (Richard Murphey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Starting XFree861.1
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:13:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: kappa.RICH.92Oct8131302
Reply-To: Rich@rice.edu
Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Rice
	University

In article <Bvsr9F.CFv@cosy.sbg.ac.at> peter@wiesel.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Peter Burgstaller) writes:
   I got a problem with XFree861.1
   I did the tar and x386install stuff; everything was fine!
   then i edited the Xconfig file, found my ET4000 card
   (2-The-Max) took the parameters and used the standard monitor
   settings!
   Then I started xinit (also startx) then I got the following 
   Message!

   XFree86 v1.1 Xwindow System
   (protocol version 11, revision 0 vendor release 5000)
   Configured drivers: 
     VGA256(256color svga):
	 ET4000,ET3000,PVGA1,GVGA,ATI,TVGA8900
   XIO:  fatal io error 32 (broken pipe) on Xserver ":0.0"
	 after 0 reqests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
	 The connection was probably broken by the server shutdown or
	 Killclient.

Make sure you have the paths set up correctly in your Xconfig file:

RGBPath         "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath        "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"

If the FontPath includes non existant directories the server will exit
without any error messages which would give a clue.  Rich
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: paoletti@cps.msu.edu (David R. Paoletti)
Subject: partition table help?
Originator: paoletti@pacific.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 07:03:15 GMT

I'm trying to create a disktab entry for a Fujitsu 2266S drive.
It is translated to 1023 cyl, 32 sec/track and 64 tracks/cyl by
my AHA-1542B controller.  I've gotten the first line of the
disktab entry OK, but need help getting the last few lines to
match my desired layout.

I'm already using 331 cyls for MS-DOS.  I'd like to have a
32M root (is this size OK for most things?), 32M swap, and
the remainder of my disk (692 - 64 = 628 cyls) for /usr.

Now I know that 386BSD's partition a is /, b is swap, and
c is /usr.  What about the h partition that appears in most of
 the initial disktab entries? Do I have to define partition d at all?

Here's my disktab so far:

fj2266|Fujitsu 2266S: \
	:ty=winchester:dt=SCSI:se#512:nt#64:ns#32:nc#1023:rm#3600:\
	:pa#65536:oa#677888:ba#4096:fa#512:ta=4.2BSD: \
	:pb#65536:ob#743424:tb=swap: \
	:pc#1286144:oc#808960:bc#4096:fc#512:tc=4.2BSD:

Does anyone see any problems with this?  I know that it may
take a minute or two to check the math, but any errors?

Thanks,
  Dave Paoletti :)

Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: Unix with real time performance ?
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 09:02:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.024816.3814@lna.oz.au>, jamesd@lna.oz.au (James D) writes:
|> BSD 4.2 sockets and System V messages are all we have tested, so we would
|> like to know if anyone else has done any studies on "real-time" Unix.

System V IPC facilities on a SparcStation IPX with SunOS 4.1.2, assuming a
"one request/one response" architecture with processes in core and not
requiring swapping during context switch clock in at about 1265 transactions
a second average over 10,000,000 transactions.  The low end RS6000 running
AIX3.2 comes in at 2215 TPS under the same circumstances.  SVR4.0.2 Dell UNIX
on a Dell 386/50 (386/25 with clock doubler chip) registers around 2430
(nearly twice as fast as the IPC).

I don't have numbers for Solaris 2.0 under the same hardware, but I suspect a
significant increase, given Solaris 2.0 performance on semaphores.


You should write a benchmark specific to your application architecture and
run it to get "real numbers" you can expect to see in your application.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
					terry_lambert@novell.com
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: peter@wiesel.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Peter Burgstaller)
Subject: xv for 386bsd ??
Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:13:52 GMT

Has anybody ported xv for 386bsd/XFree86 ??

- Peter 8*}

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From: brtmac@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: XFree86 problems...
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:42:10 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: maverick.ksu.ksu.edu

In <1992Oct8.144554.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> plante@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Mike Plante) writes:

>What might cause the following error in the xdm-errors file?
>
>     XFree86 Version 1.1 / X Window System
>     (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
>     Configured drivers:
>      VGA256 (256 colour SVGA):
>           et4000, et3000, pvga1, gvga, ati, tvga8900
>
>     Fatal server error:
>     Cannot open /dev/vga (errno=6)
>
>     error (pid 95): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: 1
>
>The /dev/vga is there! Am I missing something obvious? I did your basic
>binary install from the XFree86 core distribution.

Make sure that your X server is not suid to some uid that can't access the
/dev/vga file.  I had gotten my X server suid bin and /dev/vga was owned and
only accessible by me.  I got around this by removing the suid bit on the
server executable, but I don't use xdm.  You probably need to make your X
server suid root if you are running XDM, or get rid of the suid bit since
it is probably being run by root anyway.

++Brett;
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: andrick@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (Ulf Andrick [Biologie])
Subject: Re: Mtools to manipulate C: (386BSD)
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:24:39 GMT

andrick@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (Ulf Andrick [Biologie]) writes:
: In order to get mdir to work I recompiled it. After that I was
: able to do mdir A: and mdir B: successfully, but mdir C: still
: doesn't work, though I set up a partition wd0d via disklabel,
: which should correspond to my MS-DOS partition, which is the
: first on the disc. My DOS partition table says that the
: partition begins with offset 35 (2nd track) and I tried that as offset 
: for the wd0d partion as well as 0. But the result is always mdir
: complaining that it can't initialise the disc and suspecting it
: is a non-MS-DOS disc. Apparently, my recompilation was in so
: far successful, as there isn't a message about overlapping
: with active partitions anymore. Before, it probably had used wd0c, 
: which comprises both of my BSD partitions.
: 

The problem is solved, mdir c: now shows me the contents of my
DOS partition on hard disc. Thanks to Warren Toomey.

In fact, it is not necessary to change the disklabel in any
way. As mentioned somewhere else in the group, /dev/rwd0d
always refers to the whole disc. (Are there any other
partitions preconfigured that way?) What you have to do is to
tell Mtools at which offset the DOS partition can be found.
There seems to be a general rule that even if the DOS partition
is first on the disc, the whole first track is not used by
MS-DOS (except for the boot sector containing master boot and
partition table). The offset can be specified in Mtools' devices.c, 
then recompile. My problem was that I didn't see that this offset
is in bytes, not in sectors. I can send my devices.c if there
is some interest, I haven't it with me at the moment.

Now, another question: My DOS partition was first on my disc
when I installed 386BSD. Where is the disc label of my disc?
Would creating a label newly on a disc which has a DOS 
partition at its beginning destroy DOS information? Where
would it be located?

--
Ulf R. Andrick                                andrick@rhrk.uni-kl.de
FB Biologie - Tierphysiologie
Universitaet                             Was du nicht selber weiszt, 
D-W 6750 Kaiserslautern       das muszt du dir erklaeren (Tegtmeier)
From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: MODEM on COM4 ???
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:14:40 GMT
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
Distribution: global
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de

In <1992Oct7.191145.16970@hippo.ru.ac.za> g89s9112@hippo.ru.ac.za (Dirk Sturzebecher) writes:

>Hi all,
>is it possible to have the modem on COM4 under 386BSD ? How ?

>Cheers, Dirk

>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dirk Sturzebecher				g89s9112@alpha.ru.ac.za
>Rhodes University Grahamstown			South Africa

If you have an AT type serial interface card where every UART has its own
interrupt line, then you just have to add a line with proper I/O and IRQ
parameters in you kernel config file and rebuild the kernel :-)
If you have some cheap multi-I/O board (for an XT slot) where the serial 
lines may be jumpered to "COM3" or "COM4", you are currently lost, because
the interrupt line is shared with COM1 or COM2 then.
Currently, a driver like FAS which could accept this configuration
has not been published for 386bsd.

Holger

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Xref: sparky comp.unix.solaris:236 comp.sys.sun.wanted:1610 comp.sys.sun.admin:7110
From: gjn@cs.uq.oz.au (Geoff (cbird) Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: troff and laserjet II D - how
Summary: Looking for a troff(1) to HP Laserjet IID postprocessor
Keywords: troff,laserjet,postprocessor,solaris
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:55:26 GMT
Reply-To: gjn@cs.uq.oz.au
Followup-To: comp.unix.solaris

I am looking for a troff(1) to HP Laserjet IID postprocessor for solaris.

Sun supply a PS one in /usr/lib/lp/postscript/dpost, but understandably, not
an HP lj IId version.

Anyone know where I can get my hands on one?

---
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed)
Subject: Re: Funny find on Solaris 2.0 (and other interesting phenomenon)
Followup-To: comp.unix.solaris
Summary: No "fast find"
Keywords: find
Reply-To: nobody@localhost
Organization: Gainfully unemployed
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:53:20 GMT

In article <bjA+W~NE@twinsun.com> eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) writes:
>Solaris 2.0's `find' has important new bugs, for no good reason that I
>can see.  No doubt this yet another instance of SVR4 brain damage.

I'm surprised that no one in this thread has mentioned the biggest of the
"important new bugs", namely the deletion/omission of the "fast find"
feature of the BSD/4.1.x "find".

Of course, there are other things far more odious to worry about; here's one
to try on for size:

	solaris2% setenv TZ US/Pacific
	solaris2% cd /some/directory/with/zillions/of/files/in/it
	solaris2% /bin/time ls -al > /dev/null

Compare the results with

	solaris2% setenv TZ PST8PDT
	solaris2% cd /same/directory/with/same/zillions/of/files/in/it
	solaris2% /bin/time ls -al > /dev/null

Exercises for the reader:

(1) Which case above produces the more desirable output?
(2) Which case above contains the line that is compatible with the standard
    setting of the TZ environment variable (in /etc/TIMEZONE et al.) by the
    Solaris 2.0 "suninstall" program?
(3) How upset did you get when you noticed that the answer to (1) and the
    answer to (2) were different?

Special credit to the student:

- Explain the behavior above without resorting to using "truss".

Spoiler:


The bug described above is already fixed in Solaris 2.1.  Yet Another Reason
to not commit Solaris 2.0 to mission-critical use (-:

[Disclaimer: I worked for Sun for 4 1/2 years.  This is my first chance to]
[whine about these kinds of things and get away with it (-: ]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris
From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Subject: Re: funny find on solaris
Organization: The Backbone Cabal
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:28:42 GMT

In article <bjA+W~NE@twinsun.com> eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) writes:
> 
> Solaris 2.0's `find' has important new bugs, for no good reason that I
> can see.  No doubt this yet another instance of SVR4 brain damage.

well, it seems to work fine on my SVR4 system.  (dell issue 2.1)


-wayne
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: grpjl@iastate.edu (Paul J Lustgraaf)
Subject: Re: nfs, ultrix & dynix
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:51:16 GMT

In article <Bw5M06.5ox@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ccx062@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Chris Taylor) writes:
>
>I have a *huge* problem.  First of all we have a DEC 5000/240 with Ultrix 
>4.2a, a couple of Sequent Symmetry's running Dynix 3.1.4 & a NeXT cube.
>
>I am trying to nfs mount the sequents disks onto the Dec.
>No problems....but I just **cannot** get Sequent disks to nfs mount on the Dec.
>/etc/exports & fstabs are all set up correctly - it just doesnt want to mount,
>when I try to nfs mount it on the Dec I get:
>
>nfs_mount: cc_sysk:/usrpk16k server not responding: RPC: Authentication error; l
>nfs_mount: access denied for cc_sysk:/usrpk16k
>
>where /usrpk16k is the partition & cc_sysk is the Sequent....
>

This sounds like the >8 groups problem again.  If (as root on the DEC)
you type 'groups', you will get a list of the groups that root is a member of.
I predict there will be more than 8.  We have the same problems with
Silicon Graphics, except in reverse.  You might try removing root from
some of the groups (like rsrv9, etc).  Most aren't necessary anyway.

Paul Lustgraaf               "It's easier to apologize than to get permission."
Network Specialist                                        Grace Hopper
Iowa State University Computation Center                      grpjl@iastate.edu
Ames, IA  50011                                                    515-294-0324
-- 
Paul Lustgraaf               "It's easier to apologize than to get permission."
Network Specialist                                        Grace Hopper
Iowa State University Computation Center                      grpjl@iastate.edu
Ames, IA  50011                                                    515-294-0324
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: unaligned data access
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:24:56 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine


	I'm running Ultrix 4.2a on a DECstation 5000/240.  I'm working on a
program that does lots of bit fiddling.  In the latest compiled version, as
soon as I run it, I get a huge number of the following messages:

Fixed up unaligned data access for pid 2962 (deltacode) at pc 0x4007c0

	What does that mean?  Is it bad?  Is it something I want to track
down and fix?  If it's not bad, can I at least turn the warnings off?  I'm
doing something once for every pixel in a 512 x 512 image and I suspect I'm
getting one message for every trip through the inner loop.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix