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From: buckc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Carolyn Buck-Gengler)
Subject: questions about upgrades, academic editions, registration, etc
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:57:36 GMT

Hi,
I'm about to buy my first computer (either an LCII or a IIsi), and
have been reading this newsgroup in anticipation of issues with some
of the software I expect to be buying.
I have seen some things come up which assume some knowledge of some
issues basic to software ownership, but with which I am not
familiar, never having done this before!

I plan to buy MSWord (5.0) and MSWorks (since I need a db thing and
a spreadsheet thing and I need them to be compatible with MSWord and
I have used Works).

Since I am a student, I have the opportunity to buy the "academic
editions" which are MUCH less costly.  My questions have to do with
those editions, upgrading them down the line, and upgrades in
general.

Are there any differences (besides binding and minor diffs in demos)
in the academic versions?

Are upgrades for them different than for the regular, or are they
the same thing and the same price (I'm talking about the ones you
have to buy).  I have heard from one person that "it's the upgrades
that kill you" noting that they cost more than the next edition; is
it that academic versions turn out to be more expensive in the long
run, or just that the upgrades in general are more expensive and I
would be better off just getting the new edition each time in the
future?

For that matter, I was reading the thread on sending in disks for
free upgrades, when does this come into play as opposed to the
store-bought upgrade?

What about licencing/registration? I get the impression if you buy
software but then outgrow the need for it, you can sell it to someone
and sign over the registration to them.  On the other hand, my
university store has us sign something saying we won't sell it (to
prevent immed resale with great profit, very understandable), but also
said it depends on the sw company.  can someone elucidate this issue
for me?  EG, what if I had bought word 4.0, now want word 5.0, it is
cheaper to buy the full acad package than the upgrade, so I have two
versions of word, 4.0 and 5.0.  What do I do with the 4.0?  (It would
NOT be an issue at that point of buying cheap and selling at a profit
for less than a normal store.)  I want to be legal and do the right
thing, but I don't want to be stupid and miss out on perfectly legal
ways to save money and not get more than I need or spend more than
is necessary.

Thank you for any and all advice!
Send email, or post if you think it is of general interest...

Carolyn Buck-Gengler
buckc@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Mathematica question
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:45:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: macman@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

Hello all.

A friend of mine is looking into buying a Mac to do general word-processing
and such, but she'll also have to run Mathematica.

So, the qustions are:
(1) what is the minimal machine to do this with?  (will a Classic II cut it)
(2) would a IIsi be much more "comfortable" than a Classic II?
(3) how much memory is necessary?
(4) is a coprocessor needed (I thought so, but didn't know)

Any and all comments and suggestions welcome, e-mail me or send a followup.

macman+@pitt.edu
macman@unix.cis.pitt.edu

Thanks!

-- 
===============================================================================
Dennis Lippert   -   macman+@pitt.edu or macman@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
The "Mac Maniac" operator at the Hillman Research Lab - Univ. of Pittsburgh
"All comments are mine, you'd look like a fool if *you* used them"
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From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: What's the history behind these icons?
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:40:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

Here's an ascii version of the icon for OPTION:

     --     *
        \
         \
     *     --

Here's an ascii version of the icon for ENTER:

     *  ^  *
      /   \
     /     \

If you've worked in MS Word, you've seen them. I don't see
any rhyme or reason to the choosing of these symbols. Is 
there some rational explanation for choosing such odd-looking
icons?

Douglas                       Reply to:  gdls!parker@ilium.troy.msen.com
DoD #1961                     BMW #55821                  Renting N56136
From: gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Couldn't find QuickDraw on ftp.apple.com, is that right?
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:49:55 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul22.222339.10759@cco.caltech.edu>, tt@wag.caltech.edu
(Toshi Takeuchi) wrote:
> 
> I assumed you can find quickdraw on ftp.apple.com, but here's the
> closest I got.  There is no quickdraw.hqx, like a quicktime.hqx that
> I could find.
> 
> Does this mean that: 
> 
> 1. I am looking in the wrong place,  
> 2. I have to buy quickdraw, 
> 3. I have to get a bunch of these files listed below?

the correct answer is #1.

32 bit Quickdraw is part of the system software. E.g., in sys6.0.8, it is
located in the Systems Additions disk (1.4 Mb distribution) in the Apple
Color folder.

On the newer macs, it should be part of the ROM.

Standard Disclaimer:
  I am not responsible for comments that I make after 3:00 AM or after five
cups of coffee, whichever comes first.
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:33:47 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.081608.15309@sdf.lonestar.org> steve@sdf.lonestar.org  
(Steve Fuller) writes:
>Paper is much
> harder to duplicate that an electronic 'upgrade coupon'.

The point of an individual registered "upgrade coupon" imbedded in each copy of  
software is that if the software gets copied by Joe, Joe becomes co-owner of  
the upgrade coupon.

The original owner thereby risks losing his upgrade path to Joe, and thereby  
shares the software publisher's potential loss of income caused by the copying.

The original owner can make a decision whether or not to share with Joe, based  
upon similar criterion he would use in sharing any valuable possession.
--
*********   MY OPINIONS, not those of my employer!   **************

+================================+================================+
|         Rob Weinberg           |  Workstation publications tech |
|   Email : robertw@informix.com |        Graphic designer        |
|   Voice : 415-926-6754         |     <imagine your ad here>     |
From: RUSHING@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: IIsi price reduction?
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:54:57 GMT
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING

In article <15340004@hpsad.sad.hp.com>
eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) writes:
 
>
>
>  Has anyone heard the rumor that the price of the Mac IIsi & ci will be
>dropped in August?  Can anyone confirm this?  If so, when will Apple make an
>official announcement and when will the price decrease actually occur?
>
>Thanks.
>
>ESL
>HPSAD/MID
>ID
>@RP
 
My understanding is that Apple is offering reduced prices
only through academic re-sellers.  This is true at
Washington STate Univ.  I have seen the price lists,
but I can not turn in an order until Monday, Aug. 3.
 
Here only the low-mid Macs are on sale (up through
the IIsi and Powerbook 140.), but my limited
understanding is that this is a dealer choice,
not Apple.
 
      Tim Rushing(rushing@wsuvm1)
From: artis@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (David A. Artis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Info on eXodus by White Pine?
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:22:41 GMT
Reply-To: artis@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (David A. Artis)
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory

I'm interested in opinions about "eXodus" X-windows software by White Pine.
I presently use White Pine's Mac241 via ethernet (with the LAT tool)
to work on DEC hosts, and think it is a great comm package.  But for a
new project, I'll need to use the Mac as an X-windows terminal.  Is
eXodus equivalent/worse/superior to MacX (which is what most of my
coworkers seem to use)?  Would eXodus make use of most of the
comm tools that Mac241 uses anyway, meaning that I have less disk
space eaten up than I would if I went to yet another party's package?

David  Artis
artis@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu  -or-
david_artis@spacemail.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: Drag-drop deBinHex application saught
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:33:22 GMT

In article <Bs5nK4.z3@cs.bham.ac.uk> L.Aye@cs.bham.ac.uk writes:
>
>Is there a program which allows me to deBinHex a bunch of binhex files in
>one go, either by drag-drop or via a batch process.
>
De-HQX 2.0 is available on sumex-aim-stanford.edu

Regards,
Tom Karches
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom Karches          |"If rap music had been around when I was a kid,
karches@holonet.net  | I would have become a musician instead of a politician."
---------------------'----------------------------------- Richard Nixon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: p_stampoul@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Subject: Equation resolution libraries. HELP.
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:25:02 GMT

I need a library (pref: THINK Pascal) that
can take an equation, described as a string
and execute the equation:
ie given : road speed^2.03 + 1.054(length)
the library will resolve the equation
and supply an answer. Is there any such
software library, for any language, and if
there is where could I get a copy. 

THANKS in advance.
P_STAMPOUL@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: whitmore@iastate.edu (Kurt D Whitmore)
Subject: Re: Mathematica question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:17:44 GMT

In <3954@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> macman+@pitt.edu (Dennis H Lippert) writes:

>Hello all.

>A friend of mine is looking into buying a Mac to do general word-processing
>and such, but she'll also have to run Mathematica.

>So, the questions are:
>(1) what is the minimal machine to do this with?  (will a Classic II cut it)

You need a 68030 with a coprocessor for the full version.
Since she will be doing wordprocessing dont get a classic, its screen is just
to small to for a letter with margins less than 1 inch. This might not sound like a big deal but its one of these little irritating things.

If you get an //si dont get the apple 13" RBG you can get a 14" third party for less.

>(2) would a IIsi be much more "comfortable" than a Classic II?

See above.

>(3) how much memory is necessary?

Don't try getting by with virtual memory Mma runs real slow.
8 megs is the absolute min with system 7 (the current shipping software)
This will give you about 6 megs to allocate to mma, but no other programs can
be run in the back ground. Dont quote me but I believe the si has a meg soldered on the motherboard so when you get eight 1 meg simms you actually have 9 megs of RAM, that would be ideal.

>(4) is a coprocessor needed (I thought so, but didn't know)

For the full version and I would highly recommend it.

>Any and all comments and suggestions welcome, e-mail me or send a followup.


>macman+@pitt.edu
>macman@unix.cis.pitt.edu

>Thanks!

>-- 
>===============================================================================
>Dennis Lippert   -   macman+@pitt.edu or macman@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
>The "Mac Maniac" operator at the Hillman Research Lab - Univ. of Pittsburgh
>"All comments are mine, you'd look like a fool if *you* used them"




If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask.
Also there is a newsgroup called      sci.math.symbolic
if you have specific questions about
Mma.


Kurt D. Whitmore
whitmore@iastate.edu

















Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.databases
From: cy@genghis.borland.com (Cy Shuster)
Subject: Re: Clipper Database exist for Macs?
Originator: cy@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:45:04 GMT

In article <14mllmINNonn@agate.berkeley.edu> sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.230839.23438@midway.uchicago.edu> ejw1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>#>In article <1992Jul22.170319.1740@rtsg.mot.com> wolfmc@rtsg.mot.com (Michael Wolf) writes:
>#>>I have heard of a databse called Clipper for the PC's.  
>#>>Does it exist for the Mac?
>#>
>#>Nope.  The closest you can get is FoxBASE+/Mac.  You might also look at NuBASE.
>#>Both use the xBASE command syntax, which is what Clipper uses.
   ^^^^
Another slight correction: NuBase can directly read and write xBASE format
.DBF files, but it does *not* use the xBASE command syntax. That's one of
the things users (validly) assumed when we released it as "dBASE Mac"...
and one of the things that killed it (expectations out of whack with 
reality). It's still a pretty fair database: it's just not xBASE.

>#>
>#>Eric
>
>Just a slight addendum: Nantucket Software, which produces
>Clipper, used to have a Mac dBASE program called McMax; I
>liked it better than FoxBase. When system 7 came out, I
>phoned them up. They had abandoned McMax and had no plans
>to upgrade it to run under system 7 (launching it caused
>the Mac to crash under system 7). However, I think they
>did tell me they had a Mac project under development.
>Could be that Clipper will be ported to the Mac. That was
>more than a year ago.
>
>Steve Goldfield

We currently sell a McMax-like product called dBASE IV RunTime Plus,
but I would only recommend it for people who have developed dBASE IV
applications on the PC or the Sun and need to also execute them
on the Mac. FoxBase+ is much more full-featured and Mac-like.

DISCLAIMER: My opinions only.

--Cy--
cy@borland.com



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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Top Ten Software Rip-offs, 1992-07-13
Date: 13 Jul 92 18:22:43 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> By popular demand, I present...
>                         Top Ten Mac Software Rip-offs
>                             Monday, July 13, 1992

So, folks, how was that for a first attempt?

Send me your comments.  Send me your corrections.  (The maths should be OK,
as the calculations are all done automatically).  But most of all, send me
your nominations.  I want to know about the worst excesses of monopoly
marketing and overpricing.  US RRPs are especially welcomed; UK ones I can
usually find for myself.  Please give references like the following:

>  1 US: MacWorld June 1992 p.24   UK: MacUser May 15 1992 p.89

if possible, as I wouldn't want anyone to accuse me of deliberately falsifying
the figures.

Also, I'd like to put together a list of how to remove the crippling code
from well-known applications.  If you've bought a crippled US application and
hacked it to work in the UK, please send me details.

I bought another US MacWorld at the weekend, so updates will be forthcoming.
I'm sure the above examples are comparatively mild; they were just the first
ten products whose US RRPs I found and which were priced at more than 5%
extra in the UK.

For reference, products *not* overpriced in the UK include most Microsoft
stuff, all Borland stuff, and quite a few games.  If they can do it, why
can't the others?


mathew
[ Oh, and if someone would like to send the article to Salient... I gather
  their Applelink account bounces mail from the Internet. ]
-- 
Down, boy!  There's a good dogma.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
From: goblec@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:22:38 -0600
 <1992Jul30.142559.6818@informix.com> <1992Jul30.203351.19503@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1992Jul31.210022.3188@otago.ac.nz>
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <1992Jul31.210022.3188@otago.ac.nz>, stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes:> 
> That's just it though -- how small a percentage of the user
> population are crackers is irrelevant. It only takes one, and
> bingo! cracked copies start appearing everywhere like wildfire
> (he gives it to 2 friends, and they give it to 2 friends, and so
> on, and so on, and so on...).

I agree.  Remember back when you were in High School or Junior High?  All the
programs were protected with ingenious forms of copy protection.  Yet there
were usually about 10-20 people in the country who cracked them and it seemd
like within a week they were everywhere.  And while kids probably have a
better network for this kind of thing, I bet most parents might ask Johnny for
the latest version of 1-2-3 etc.

The problem is like drugs.  Until you solve the core problem of why people do
it, you will never do more than make a dent in the problem.

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From: Robert.H.Gross@dartmouth.edu (Robert H. Gross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid: Call for Solutions
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:51:48 GMT
 <9996@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

OK. I'll jump into this fray with yet another idea.

Let's say that users license software rather than purchase it (that's
what most of the "license agreements" say anyway). Further, let's say
that the license is for a specified time period (one year?) and that
the user is required to fill out and send in a registration card after
the original purchase. On that registration card is a "password" that
is defined by the purchaser. The password will be necessary to renew
the license.

As the one year license period draws to a close (let's say after 10-11
months), the user will begin to get reminders every time the program is
launched that the license needs to be renewed along with directions on
how to do the renewal. He/she can renew simply by calling the company
and providing the password and serial number of his/her program. If the
password and serial number were OK and not already renewed, the company
would calculate a string for the user to type into a dialog box to
refresh the expiration date of the currently running program. The
company would then mark that serial number as "updated". If a
subsequent user calls and tries to update the license, he/she would be
told that it was already updated and the company could not update
another copy.

This would periodically "purge" non-valid copies, would put some burden
on the user, and would avoid the key disk kinds of copy protections
while still protecting the company's interests.

Is this too much trouble for the user? Is it preferable to the disk
based copy protection?

Bob Gross
bob.gross@dartmouth.edu

PS - the above assumes that there is a valid way to check the date/time
on the computer that cannot be fooled by just changing the clock.
From: gotimer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Gene Gotimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Musical OCR ???
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:26:05 GMT
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
X-Organization: (formerly David Taylor Research Center)

>In article <7709@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> linley@ada.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce Linley)  
>writes:
>> Does anyone know if there exists an OCR program that can read sheet music
>> and save it in a format readable by Finale???


rfisel@informix.com wrote:
>--I don't think there is one, but there's not much reason there couldn't be  
>(provided you're reading printed music, not handwritten). Finale et. al. use  
>music fonts for notes, repeat signs, etc. OCR would have to be enlightened that  

You may want to try OmniPage Pro.  It has an excellent training feature
for teaching the OCR software what a particular symbol means.  It
should be able to learn to read sheet music.


-- 
****************************************************************
**     Gene Gotimer              gotimer@oasys.dt.navy.mil    **
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: brandy@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BRANDAUER CARL M)
Subject: Hard or non-breaking spaces
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:21:44 GMT

Where, oh where can one find documentation on hard or non-breaking spaces?
The WORD 5 manual does mention that option + space will produce a hard
em-space and I *think* that option-shift + space yields a hard en-space.
Is the latter true, and if so, where is it documented?

Also, in the back of the WORD manual there is a table showing all the
characters available* with a few selected type faces.  Has anyone published
tables for other type faces and how does one get them?

Thanks in advance and cheers - Carl

* Except hard spaces
From: jeremyr@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jeremy Roussak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Need 'On Cue'-like program
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:12:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Jul28.120511.7855@vax.oxford.ac.uk> banks@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>I too endorse Apollo (currently at ver. 0.8).  I use sys. 7 and still
>find it indispensible.  It is being developed by Jeremy Roussack in the
>UK and he welcomes comments (though doesn't, I think, email out
>copies).  It is very flexible, very neat and has yet to reveal a bug to
>me (in the current version).  I'm not sure where to get it, but a trawl
>round the ftp sites should turn it up.

Thanks! The latest version of Apollo is 0.8b3, which is at
sumex in info-mac/ex/apollo-08b4.hqx (no, I don't know why 4,
not 3).

Jeremy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper)
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:05:59 EDT

  I might care if someone stole a copy of my car if I made my living selling
  cars?  What?

  Sorry, is it just me?

  Oh, no! There's a gang of punk kids in the lot, AND THEY HAVE A XEROX!!!

  Playfully,

  Ken

From: Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: help!
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:48:47 -0500

Re: FreeHand and graphics formats other than EPS
 
Your intuition is correct - the latest version of FreeHand does directly save to
PICT format.
 
Of course, older versions of freehand extract the same PICT information by
selecting the appropriate elements in your document, holding downt the "option"
key while selecting "copy" from the menu bar.
 
With either of these methods, if you've done something truly amazing in your
freehand document, you may find the results to be less than perfect.
From: paulonis@kodak.com (Mike Paulonis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Looking for workgroup software
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:36:28 GMT
Reply-To: paulonis@kodak.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Eastman Chemical Co., Kingsport, TN

I am looking for software (commercial, shareware, whatever) that will allow a
group of networked Mac users to do things like keep track of time charges to
customers, maintain a future workload forecast for the same time charges, and
allow input of notes detailing what the charged time was spent doing. 

Any leads toward such software would be appreciated.
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