HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alex@animal.Bell.CA (Alex Laney)
Subject: Re: why cant i get ALT.COMICS.LNH????
Organization: Bell Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:18:27 GMT

Grant Doig (bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk) wrote:

: We dont get it here.

: WHY???????

A site somewhere between most postings and your site probably doesn't
carry it. Unless articles are cross-posted you won't get them. You
could try getting on the 'alternate feed':

From the FAQ:

>>5) Well, this is all great, but I can not get alt.comics.lnh on
>>      my system.  Should I commit harri-kari?
>>
>>  In the olden days, harri-kari would have been your only option
>>in a non-LNH world, but that was B.C. (Before Crimson).  Mark "Klone
>>Crimson" Friedman (aka Netlurker) has established_WeaselNews_ - a news
>>server which has the sole purpose of delivering alt.comics.LNH to all of
>>the good boys and girls of the world.  It is available using "telnet" to
>>boa.cis.ohio-state.edu, port 4321.
>>
>>For Example, on UNIX boxes:
>>      % telnet boa.cis.ohio-state.edu 4321
>>
>>  If you're running on a VAX the command to telnet is a bit different.
>>If the Operating system is VMS it is:
>>
>>      telnet boa.cis.ohio-state.edu /port=4321
>>
>>  Note:  the feed is very raw.  If you want formatting or pagination,
>>then ya gotta DIY.  The WN client hasn't been written...or even
>>thought of yet! :-)
>>
>>  Send questions to Mark Friedman (friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu)

I haven't used it...

--
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.genealogy
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:01:13 GMT

In article <KWAXBB5P@cc.swarthmore.edu> hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:

>pat@jaameri.gsfc.nasa.gov (patrick m. ryan) writes:
>
>:	Discussion of genealogical research, resources, and software.
>
>Uhh, why not use soc.root instead?

Better than '', for sure.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Xref: sparky alt.config:8655 alt.sport.photon:7
From: banz@umbc.edu (Rob Banz)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.sport.photon
Subject: Re: Newgroup alt.sport.photon
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:41:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu

In article <wb9omc.728152255@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>	I'd like to remind those who read this group that there is also
>alt.sport.lasertag - if you also play that game, stop by and shoot the 
>breeze with us.....
>
>Duane
>wb9omc@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu
>

Great!  Hopefully, with the creation of alt.sport.photon, more Photoners
would be inclined to post, and keep together.  I'm sure that may interesting
cross threads will start due to the similarity of these two games.

Rob Banz
banz@umbc.edu
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt reorg
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:27:16 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1k5felINN8q1@nigel.msen.com>, emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:

| We ignore both rmgroups and newgroups for alt group here.  If there
| is traffic on any alt group we carry it.  (No traffic, no carry it.)

  I like that. I do creation of groups by volume (in junk) but not
deletion of dead groups. Maybe that would be a way to shrink the active
file.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
	A terible poker player can have a great hand,
	A obnoxious fool can have a good idea.
	Both are winners, regardless of who has them.
From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.religion.mormon? anyone?
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:11:04 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Is there any opposition to creating alt.religion.mormon for
general, unmoderated discussions about things Mormon?

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From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: No, don't
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:46:18 GMT
 <JBW.93Jan20201737@bigbird.bu.edu> <2240@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu's message of 21 Jan 93 02:59:04 GMT

In article <2240@blue.cis.pitt.edu> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:

   This is all much ado about absolutely nothing.  Jonathan should never have
   blown this up into such a big deal.

Jonathan Kamens did not "blow this up into such a big deal".  Whiny,
petulant twits like Jef Poskanzer "blew this up into such a big deal".

   He got himself baited into this flame war.

Jonathan is hardly involved in the flames.

   This is what happened to him in AFU as well.  He must learn to say no.

Jon does say "no", he just says it too politely for the twits to understand.

   The archiving of flame wars does concern me somewhat as well.

I was the one that made available the relevant archives of the
faq-maintainers mailing list, not Jon.

   A moderator of a group gets to be just that:  The moderator.  If one doesn't
   like what the moderator posts, they have several choices:

           A) Don't read the group,
           B) Make a group of their own  (easy to do on ALT)  or
           C) Have the moderator's status revoked.

   Beyond that, a moderator is the "lord and master" of the group.  If you
   are going to be an effective moderator, you can't let every decision be
   put up for a vote or a straw-poll.

It sounds like you agree with what Jon has been doing.  Why are you
flaming him then?

   And you certainly can't start flaming.

Jon hasn't been the one flaming.

   (You also can't get too upset when they call their archive name
   "JIK-DIK", but you don't have to accept it either).

No, this is bullshit.  Jon has every right to get VERY UPSET at that kind
of shit.

   Here's some unsolicited advice:  In the future, the moderator should assign
   the archive name when there is a dispute.  "No ifs, ands, or buts.  You don'
   like it?  Start yer own archive!"

In the "jik-dik" case, I think the moderator should wait for a sincere
and complete APOLOGY first.

-- 
Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Decision time (Was: Re: alt.answers alternatives)
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:16:54 GMT

In article <C1HMv3.BGx@rahul.net> phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:
:In article <1k4kn7INNco0@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren) writes:
:>
:>This is getting quite silly.  There appear to be two (very vocal) groups,
:>one which wants Jonathan as the moderator of alt.answers, and one that,
:>well, disagrees.  "Agreeing to disagree" is a very nice, alt-like situation,
:>but NOT one that ever, EVER works in the _same newsgroup_.  
:>
:It doesn't make sense to make alt.answers without the services than Jonathan
:has volunteered to provide.  This being alt, a few people would bash at the 
:group.  I hope social pressure would suffice to keep this in control.

What is the purpose for alt.answers?  I thought that it's sole purpose
was to be a 'place holder' where alt.* newsgroup FAQ could be cross
posted.  Right?  So who is going to be subscribing to it?  Those folks
who want to see ALL The alt.* FAQ but who not care to subscribe to
news.answers.

Now, this is such a small subset of folk that if there are those who decide
to try to carry on conversations, the number will surely be small - and if
they are not, who really cares - just those who as was described want
to read the group for the FAQs.  And THEY in general know what to do about
abuse of the group ... just send email, email to the poster's postmaster,
complaint to the person's mommy, whatever ;-).

The primary benefit of moderation would be to present a slight difficulty
to the naieve who attempt to post or reply there by accident or ignorance,
as well as 'authorizing' the moderator to cancel articles which appear
there without his or her authorization.

If folks don't want the second, and don't feel the first is a big problem,
then create the group without a moderator.  If they feel these will be
a problem, then either use the moderator who has volenteer or talk someone
else into volenteering.

Seems simple to me.

:alt.answers.d makes no sense either.  Almost all the FAQ lists already
:indicate proper venues for discussion.  A structurally flawed solution

I agree with this - discussion of a particular FAQ typically belongs
to the group which is being FAQ'ed.  If there is a question about alt.answers,
either the moderator or alt.config seems to be the best place for followup.


:I'm basically against moderated alt groups.  But the answers charter

I myself am basically against moderating almost any group.  But if one
must moderate, then it seems that just finding someone willing to
do the duty is all that one should be worrying about.


-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum)
Subject: ADMIN: please start alt.politics.radical-left
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:03:21 GMT

Well, both from posts here and from e-mail received, it seems like
there is definitely interest in alt.politics.radical-left. Can
someone with system abilities please send out a control message
to start the group?

THANKS!!

	autonome forum
	aforum@moose.uvm.edu

Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.pub.cloven-shield,alt.pub.dragons-inn,alt.pub.havens-rest
From: sbeitzel@netcom.com (Stephen Beitzel)
Subject: [ADMIN]: PROPOSAL: alt.pub.d
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:11:35 GMT

I'd like to propose a discussion group, alt.pub.d, to be used for non-FAQ,
non-story forum discussions pertaining to the .pub newsgroups.

The .pub groups are high-traffic areas, receiving several long posts every
day.  It would seem to be a good idea to keep nonessential (in story terms)
traffic out of the way, but still accessible for public discussion.

I crossposted this to the .pub groups, but before you flame me too much,
please note that followups are directed to alt.config.

Comments?


-- 
"Throw another turtle on the fire / Guys like me are mad for turtle heat"
	- Leonard Cohen
"Disclaimers are for sucks; these opinions belong to EVERYONE!" - Me
Stephen Beitzel - sbeitzel@netcom.com - sbeitzel@wet.com
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:22:44 GMT

an7343@anon.penet.fi writes:

>Yeah - the proposal to create alt.politics.radical-left sounds great to me!
>There's definitely the need for such a group.

This is supposed to mean something, from someone without the cojones
to post under his real name?
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                            kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                       +1 606 257 2975
Dept. of Mathematics "Your ball goes over them, it sails off the edge into a
huge cauldren of fire-breathing dragons."  "And they call this a par three?"
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.pol.r-l; another argument
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:49:55 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan25.182059.21222@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, JHURLEY@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU writes:

> My hope is that an A.P.R-L could be a forum for
> theoretical discussions that don't fit in to the focus of M.A.P. 

Is there some reason that these theoritical discussions could not be handled
by talk.politics. theory?
-- 
Richard H. Miller                 Email: rick@bcm.tmc.edu
Asst. Dir. for Technical Support  Voice: (713)798-3532
Baylor College of Medicine        US Mail: One Baylor Plaza, 302H
                                           Houston, Texas 77030
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: coan@griffin.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Brian M Coan)
Subject: re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:09:25 GMT

The purpose of this group would not be to debate "liberal" versus
"radical" left. How boring!! It's just to have a place to read
news reports that are often hard to find, and without having to
wade through lots of liberal stuff. Liberal stuff is fine, that's
what liberal newgroups/newsfeeds are more. But there is a need
for one further to the left as well, particularly as lots of
self-defined far-left groups have recently entered Cyberspace.

Just my $.02 worth!
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: now batting (Was Babe Ruth was a control-weenie)
Summary: Alt is not for popularity contests
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:29:14 GMT
Reply-To: tjw+@pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C1Hus6.vD@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>Possibly.  But remember that quantity doesn't imply quality.  Or vise-versa.

> Sure.  But quality isn't the issue -- popularity is.

What issue?  Your issue?  My issue?  Government Issue?  I think you and I
are having 2 different conversations!  "Popularity" is not my issue.

If you are only interested in the "popular" newsgroups, then the "big 7"
hierarchies are for you.  You should consider dropping alt.* from your
machine.  Also drop "k12", "vmsnet", etc from your list.

> If control-weenies aren't popular, anarchists must be considered even
> less desirable.

"Less desirable" is a personal choice -- an opinion.

Terry
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: now batting (Was Babe Ruth was a control-weenie)
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:00:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C1G3Dw.CD1@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> In article <2518@blue.cis.pitt.edu> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:

>>If you do, you must understand by now that control-weenies aren't looked
>>upon favorably.  That's WHY there IS an ALTnet.

> Is that also why alt receives such lower propagation than Usenet?

Possibly.  But remember that quantity doesn't imply quality.  Or vise-versa.

We didn't used to take alt.* (and talk.*) because we didn't have the disk
space.  Now that disks have become so cheap, we take all of "alt", "talk"
"k12", "clari", etc.  We only used to take groups that people asked for.  Now
we take everything we can get our grubby little hands on.

Terry
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Re: No, don't (Was: Re: eschew moderated alt newsgroups)
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:15:56 GMT

>In article <C186BK.CzI@rahul.net>, phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson) writes:

> Or, if he wished to earn the hearts of afu-ers everywhere (and there are
> more than 40,000 of us):

>   The archive is called peter-pooter.  Live with it.

Aha! So that's where 'pooter meat comes from (heh). Do I hear any volunteers
for the taste test? Cindy? Or perhaps Pinky would like to chow down.
I hear he's "good friends" with PvdL anyhow...


Tony "I'm told it needs to be beaten before cooking." Sweeney.
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: rec.org.mensa.flame.flame.flame, alt.lang.apl, etc.
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:21:00 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <CGD.93Jan19232330@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU>,
 cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
> In article <1993Jan19.110930.46511@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>>telnet taco.cc.ncsu.edu 119
>>
>>Trying... Connected to TACO.CC.NCSU.EDU, a DECSTATION_5000 running ULTRIX_4.2.
>>201 taco NNTP server version 1.5.7 (10 November 89)
>>ready at Tue Jan 19 12:00:44 1993 (no posting).
>>(I folded the line above.)
> 
> do you read rec.org.mensa?  if so, you should stop.  <chuckle>
> 
> note the (no posting) part of the nntp signon banner...

Have you read the nntp rfc?  If not, I suggest you do so.  The "no
posting" above just means that the nntp command "post" is not allowed.
How one would go about forging articles using other nntp commands is
left as an exercise for the reader.
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.sega.genesis
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:51:05 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <C16oux.8xv@world.std.com> moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:

>>I believe killing any post with more than two exclamation points after "taco"
>>in the path won't lose anything but the forgeries.

>My experience is about the same.  Specifically, though, seeing taco
>twice in a row is what makes me really suspicious.  Actually, the
>pattern "!taco!taco!" would make sure that the second wasn't just the
>FQDN for taco.

Note that forged posts have shown up with only one "taco", so don't key
off "!taco!taco!" and expect to be rid of the forgeries.

>Boy, and I *like* Tex-Mex.  Bummer.

Me too.  Just not in news most of the time.

-Mike
Xref: sparky alt.config:8608 alt.folklore.urban:34834
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: now batting (Was Babe Ruth was a control-weenie)
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:14:13 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In <JIK.93Jan22010843@pit-manager.mit.edu> jik@athena.mit.edu
(Jonathan I've Got A Secret Kamens) writes in his article entitled
        "now batting: Bill Davidsen! (was Re: No, don't)":

>Isn't it amazing what people are willing to say about other people on
>the Usenet?  I wonder how many people really do, as the "A Primer on
>How to Work With the Usenet Community" posting in
>news.announce.newusers says, "Never Forget that the Person on the
>Other Side is Human."  

I think we should keep in mind that the peron on the other end of the
posting wouldn't recognize humor if it bit-'em in the tush like an alligator.

Actually, what Bill posted is true for a very wide variety of USENETTERS.
What we've been trying to tell you is that this AIN'T the USENET.  If you're
going to play in this sandbox, you'll find it doesn't always work the way
you might expect.  And if that bothers you, perhaps you should reconsider.
Or you can post a 200+ line article containing all of your past flame wars.

The choice is yours.  It's about time to sh*t or get off the pot. So what's
it gonna be?  Do you want to run with the group or not?

If you do, you must understand by now that control-weenies aren't looked
upon favorably.  That's WHY there IS an ALTnet.  That shouldn't surprise
you.

If you don't want to run with the group, this opens the door to any others
who want to run it.  If there are no others, the proposal is dead and we can
all forget about it and you.

>Mr. Davidsen, on what exactly do you base your opinion that I lack a
>sense of humor?  

If I believed he could see the future, I'd guess it was YOUR followup. ;-)

Terry "what-'is-name" Wood

>ObConfig: How about alt.fan.jik?  It's clearly needed.

Now yer getting the hang of it!
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.folklore.urban FAQ (was Re: No, don't)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:32:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan27.175151.20722@athena.mit.edu>, jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
> In article <2516@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:

> |> I don't know the status of the AFU FAQ.

> As of January 24, it has, with minimal fuss and fanfare, been submitted and
> approved for news.answers.

> There, now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Yea, this *proves* that alt.answers is unnecessary. ;-)  If it ain't broke,
Johathan, don't fix it.

Terry

PS: Let us know what you think of Peter's books.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum)
Subject: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:14:42 GMT

subject: Proposal to create alt.politics.radical-left
posted by: autonome forum
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Proposal to Create alt.politics.radical-left

We would like to see the creation of alt.politics.radical-left,
an unmoderated newsgroup whose function would be to act as a
forum for news items and theoretical discussions dealing with
leftist politics, national liberation struggles, militant
resistance movements, etc. This newsgroup would, in some ways, be
a more radical-left version of groups such as
misc.activism.progressive, and would have a definite left-wing
political focus, unlike other alt-realm groups like alt.activism.

Again, there are, at present, no newsgroups in the alt-realm
which have, as their aim, the exchange of news items with a
radical-left focus. What's more, such news items are often hard
to come by. Therefore, the creation of alt.politics.radical-left
would fill a definite void and would be of great use to dozens of
progressive groups currently operating in Cyberspace. Also, as an
open group, it would allow other users with Usenet access to
become exposed to left-radical politics.

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                     autonome forum: aforum@moose.uvm.edu
                          "solidarity is a weapon!"
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From: "Major Lee Obvious" <jjhoxsey@knight.ta.ford.com>
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.lycra
Subject: Re: What happened to alt.lycra?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:59:39 GMT
Organization: ACME Acres Looniversity Public Relations.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pms035.pms.ford.com
Originator: jjhoxsey@pms035

	Anonymity(sp?) would be a plus.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: an7343@anon.penet.fi
Subject:      Re: PROPOSAL to create alt.politics.radical-left
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.config
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:59:06 GMT

Yeah - the proposal to create alt.politics.radical-left sounds great to me!
There's definitely the need for such a group.
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