From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Chaney is a racist (and other ramblings) (was re: why...)
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:57:08 GMT

In article <93005.071806KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Poor Stephen Chaney!  Everyone is jumping on him for his statements (and
>rightly so).  But does the man really see his problem?  He is exactly what the
>white man has been trying to get us to do all of our lives!  The American ideal
>of beauty, virtue, and temperment is the white woman (I am getting sick here).
>At least that is what the media has led us to believe, and Mr. Chaney has
>fallen for it.  In addition, I think that he is a racist!  Is it possible to be
>racist towards your own race, most certainly (look at Clarence Thomas and James
>Meredith - any brother who works for Jesse Helms needs a lobotomy).

Neither of them are racist. If you can prove Meredith and Thomas are
racist, please post that proof here. Otherwise, retract it. 

In fact, to discourage you from ignoring this, I'll invite you to post
it between these two lines:

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>   Black women have the STEREOTYPE of not taking shit and kicking ass and we
> all know (since we are intelligent people) that stereotypes are just that and
>that each individual should be taken at their own worth.  But if you understand
>what the white man has done to the Black family throughout our history in this
>land you will understand why the stereotype may, in fact, be true.  The Black
>family has been split up from the time we were kidnapped in Africa and the
>Black woman has had to be the mother and the father for a long time.  And we
>men know that if a woman is assertive and stands up for herself the first word
>that comes out of our mouths is "Bitch", even though as men we are expected
>to have these attributes.  So is Mr. Chaney guilty of something as simple as
>sexism?  Yes he is!  White women, who are now becoming more independent are
>becoming more "bitchey" also.  What will Mr. Chaney turn to next?

Independent and bitchy are different things. Some women are
independent - I like that. (I can't stand a dependent arm-clinger for
a girlfriend.) Some women are bitchy - I can't stand that. (So are
some men.) 

Men who shout "bitch" whenever a woman is simply independent and
speaking her mind, are punks. But that is not the case with me and I
have never called a woman "bitch" on this newsgroup, so it does not
apply to me at all. Why did you post this? 


>   Black women are the reason why our race has survived and will be the reason
>why we will not be extinct.  With 25% of our young men either in prison or on
>probation, it will be up to our women to raise our kids and make them
> productive citizens.  The women can't do it alone, though throughout our
>history they have been forced to.  We need strong male role models.  We are in
>danger now, and we don't need division over some sexist, racist remarks by a
>man who appears that he would be happy waking up tomorrow as some sort of
>"reverse Watermelon Man" (remember that movie from the sixties?).

We have RIGHTS in this country, mister. One of those rights is to DATE
AND MARRY WHOEVER WE WANT. 

And if you or anyone else wants to take that right away or abuse us
for using that right, I'll take division any day. Peace without
freedom is one option I won't accept, and I'll steamroll anyone who
tries to take it away. The danger you speak of is irrelevant to me.

Racial purism is plain and simple Naziism, no matter what its color
is.


>  Sorry that I went off on a tangent but actually it all fits.  You can see
>where the danger is of us hating ourselves and our women leads to the problems
>that we have now with Black on Black crime and the destruction of our families.
>We can't blame the white man totally for our sins and our transgressions, some
>of the blame has to be in the mirror, but everything effects everything.  By
>the way, and I should have made this clear in the beginning, I don't give a
>shit who Chaney dates, again, each person should be taken as an individual,
>but to exclude someone from your dating pool because of race is bigotted,
>especially when you do so because you believe that the race has something
>inherently evil within it.  There are some bad black women (that woman who
>turned me down for a dance at the club comes to mind), some good black women
>(my mother is a saint), some bad white women (Marge Schott) and some good
>white women (I like Hillary), so race is not important, it is the individual!

Yeah, right. If people REALLY thought it was none of their business
who another black person dated or married, this discussion would not
be going on in the first place. 

As for me, I've just been informed of a black conservative newsletter
by Elizabeth Wright, called Issues & Views. I'll leave you all for now
and plunk a letter in my mailbox to get a subscription.

Good grief.. Clarence Thomas and James Meredith.. RACISTS against
blacks? Come on, that has got to be the most paranoid, uneducated,
stupid statement that has ever been made on this newsgroup.


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