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From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Montreal Championships Results.
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:15:39 GMT
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center


  Purdue Juggling Club correspondent, Shidan Habibi, spoke with my 
answering machine this morning.  He was calling from the IJA festival at 
Montreal.
  He reports the results of the championships as follows:

			Juniors			

		1. Sean Mckinney
		2. Ben Tolpin
		3. Brian Patz
		4. Adam Kariotis &
			Sean Blue
		5. Jay Gilligan
		6. Joey Cousin
		7. Kent Walker
		8. Mark Kolbouse
		9. Jay Casper

  Shidan mentioned that Gilligan and Blue gave the most technical 
performances.  Sean Blue, for example, flashed 9 rings...  But obviously 
there is more to an act than technical virtuosity.  (And both may have 
suffered from drops.)  I'm glad to see that Mckinney won.  He gave a fine 
performance last year at St. Louis where he took 3rd.  

		Seniors

		Silver	(1st)Miguel Herrera
			Danny Mulligan
			Dmitri Mources
		Bronze	Bob Whitcomb
			Larry Vee
			Fran C. Robert

		Teams

		Silver	Benji Hill & Chuck Gunter
		Bronze	Dew Drop Jugglers

  Habibi characterized the Seniors (held Friday, i.e. last night) 
competition as "Pretty disappointing...the technical level was awful... 
the only ones who were really good were"  Dmitri Mources " and Dan 
Holtzman."  But he added it was a good international event with people 
from all over the world competing.  Also, he expected the Public Show to be 
really good -- but expensive.  $25 for the Public Show and $18 for the 
championships.  

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From: femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling and Early Childhood
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:24:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul22.211657.5707@walter.bellcore.com>, jns@inoms.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jesse N. Schell) writes...
>In article <dean.711740047@white>, dean@white.rtsg.mot.com (Richard Dean) writes:
>|> i'm interested in knowing, at what age a child possesses
>|> the mental ability, motor skills, and hand-eye coordination
>|> to begin juggling.  naturally it will vary from child to
>|> child.  i imagine that in performers' families that this
>|> is begun at a pretty young age, so i am interested in the
>|> experiences of others.
> 
>I've heard it said that Anthony Gatto was able to juggle his age for three
>consecutive years (3, 4, and 5, if you couldn't guess). Is this mere 
>mythology?
> 

I understand that this is a myth.  I think Anthony in his last interview 
with "Juggler's World" he said that he didn't even learn to juggle until he 
was 6.   I could be wrong though.  Anyone have a copy of JW handy?


***A bunch of stuff I could relate too deleted***

Bruce Manners
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: chrisl@joplin.wri.com (Chris LaReau)
Subject: Re: Juggling and Early Childhood
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:31:09 GMT

In <1992Jul22.211657.5707@walter.bellcore.com> jns@inoms.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jesse N. Schell) writes:

>I've heard it said that Anthony Gatto was able to juggle his age for three
>consecutive years (3, 4, and 5, if you couldn't guess). Is this mere 
>mythology?

Not a myth, but not true either. The party in question was Albert Lucas, not
Anthony Gatto.

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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: bd474@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill McDonald)
Subject: Re: *** IMPORTANT *** The demise of piggy, the arise of moocow.
Reply-To: bd474@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill McDonald)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:19:47 GMT


In a previous article, terry@santafe.edu (Terry Jones) says:

[...]

>The new [juggling] machine is named moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu and for the
>purposes of rec.juggling, piggy no longer exists.
>
>Remember, it's moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu

Is the numerical internet address the same?

>
>Terry Jones (terry@santafe.edu)
>

McD
From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Passing primes
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:54:49 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: rkcorell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu's message of 22 Jul 92 17:52:32 EDT

In article <76381@ut-emx.uucp> rkcorell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Corell) writes:

     Has anyone else tried this?  And does anyone know any
   other good numerical series to try this out with?
   The fibonacci sequence got too big too quick, multiples
   of a number are way too easy, and I don't know my log
   tables that well.

Digits of pi?

You could use fibonacci mod 10 (or some other base) used as intervals.
(1 2 3 5 8 3 1 4 5 9 ...)  This eventually repeats too.  Hmmm - wonder
about the possibilities of considering those numbers to be throw
numbers in the site-swap sense.  Or feedees in a random feed.
--
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: mohitb@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Subject: tried juggling in water (well, not really..)
Originator: mohitb@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Keywords: juggling, water
Reply-To: mohitb@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:54:26 GMT


Wonder if any of you guys who like to do ball juggling (sorry, no bounces 
allowed) has ever tried juggling while standing in water.  I did yesterday
and had my best practice of 5 ball juggling (all right i am a novice by  
your standards). No it was not some brainstorming discovery from my part 
(serendipity is more appropriate) . some of the adcvantages that I found

* if you juggle with an object that will float (peaches are great, they are
heavy like any regular ball and quite easy to catch), you don't have to bend
down to pick them up, since they float up quite nicely.  this is probably
nicest thing next to hiring a ball-boy when it comes to your back   

*	unlike ballls and  like bean-bags, objects will rise (equivalent to
 landing and staying) exactly at the same point where they landed, so you can
 rectify your throwing mistakes (assuming no strong water currents are there)
 

*	you don't have to look around for a house with 20" ceiling so as to
put your bed for practising numbers

*	best of all, whenever something drops, it makes a very distinctive 
sound "blop, blop,.." and I found it very useful when trying to improve my
timings

so next time you are off to a pool or a lake, just remember to take your
juggling ball-like objects (or as I am planning to do, go to a lake to do
juggling...).  some key pointers to make your life simpler if you decide to
do water-juggling (it sounds just too exotic)

* of course, use object that will float

* stand such that water does not come above your waist otherwise it is a
problem when you try underhand throws or catches and need more room 
under your hands

*  if you are trying a pattern that is collison prone (such as 4-ball
2 in each hand or mutiplexing patterns), I would suggest use oranges since
peaches start getting too dificult to handle after a few hard collisons

* do not attempt, under the leg throws ( I am sure you would)

* apply sun-tanning lotion...

now I have typed this, I am wondering if wheel is being reinvented. has anyone
tried something akin to this before?  do you have any tips to improve on this
method?  

 mohit

PS: I am sure someone should know about juggling in water (ya, I mean juggling
such that objects are released and caught inside water). I think it would be
fun for scuba-divers to try that :-)   
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: sdfinuca@cayley.waterloo.edu (Sean Finucane)
Subject: Re: Juggling and Early Childhood
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:02:08 GMT

Does anyone know how old Steve Mills' daughter is?  She was juggling 
3 scarves (though not for long) while on daddy's shoulders atop a unicycle,
with bright lights in her eyes.  She doesn't look much more than 3.

She also rides her unicycle at an age where most kids still haven't 
graduated from the tricycle.

It's all in the environment.

Citizen of the World.

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: allenk@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson)
Subject: Re: Whales blowing rings
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:39:23 GMT

Found this in sci.misc, thought it belonged here.

lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) writes:

>> [anecdote about whales in an aquarium blowing and playing with air ring]

>I once knew a guy who was released from jail after 22 years.  He could blow
>nested smoke rings, but more impressive was his ability to flip lit cigarettes
>from his mouth, into the air, and into his mouth again.  He had some pretty
>good scars from learning the trick, too.

>Confinement, time, and an unchanging simplistic environment are great teachers
>of weird skills.

>-t
								Allen K.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sunday, 26 Jul 1992 15:45:56 EDT
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Ed Carstens on Renegade

On the last Renegade Stage in Montreal, Ed Carstens did
this really cool looking ball pattern.

Ed, could you tell us what this was? I wasn't even
sure how many balls you had, although I was almost
certain it was a standard site swap pattern.


  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  NAYLORD@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA
From: mjn@mmi-dev-1.jet.uk (Mark J Neale)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: juggling anecdotes
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:14:29 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus


Found on the reverse of a Carling Black Label(*) beermat:

' "Mr Omar Patterson of Lowestoft, Suffolk, established a new record
for juggling the most breeds of dog. He would have bettered his final
number of 17 but his Yorkshire Terrier ate his Chihuahua in the
process"

- I bet he drinks Carling Black Label'

(*) for our American friends, Carling Black Label is a lager and has
been the subject of a large advertising campaign over the last few
years. The adverts comprise of someone/something doing/being unusual,
with the final caption "I bet he drinks Carling Black Label"

Does anyone have any other similar anecdotes they've come across?
-- 
      #                   Mark Neale (mjn@jet.uk)
      #  ######   #####   Juggling with the parameters of Fusion.
      #  #          #
      #  #####      #     Joint European Torus, Culham Lab. OX14 3EA, UK
#     #  #          #     +44 235 465272
 #####   ######     #     Any opinion expressed above is.
- Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not 
  be construed as an official comment from the JET project.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jimd@m2xenix.psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Subject: ftp at piggy?
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:02:56 GMT

I was trying to grab some goodies the other day, and I found that piggy
was not answering my calls to it.  Does anyone know the status of juggling
ftp stuff?  Thanks...


Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com
From: ronald@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Braunstein)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Juggling Torches
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:54:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


Hi, I was going to buy some torches to pass with a friend on the beach.
I am not a performer, so balance is more important to me that looks.
Can someone recommend a torch to get or stay away from.
[Dube, Todd smith, the ones with the white handles]

-thanks, ronald
ron@geoworks.com
ronald@cory.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: patti@hosehead.intel.com (Patti Beadles)
Subject: Learning Rings
Originator: patti@hosehead
Reply-To: patti@hosehead.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, Hillsboro, OR
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:18:08 GMT

I was in the mood to do something different the other day at lunch,
so I went downtown to the local novelty shop and picked up a set of
juggling rings.  When I had a few spare minutes that afternoon, I
threw them around the office a little bit, and managed to get a run
of 47 consecutive catches after 10-15 minutes of practice.  The next
day, I managed to do four or five rounds of tennis before I completely
lost it.

I've discovered, however, that I have no control.  I can't keep the
rings in front of me -- they either go a few feet forward (most common),
or behind me (which happens when I try to correct and overdo it.)  If
I keep them very low I do OK, but they wobble and look sloppy.

Hints?  Or is it just a matter of practice?
-- 
patti@hosehead.intel.com | I don't speak for Intel, nor vice-versa.
75555.767@compuserve.com |
          (503)-696-4358 | Practice random kindness and
  or yell, "Hey, Patti!" |                  senseless acts of beauty.
From: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu (PHILLIP_SANMIGUEL)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Montreal Numbers Results
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:26:45 GMT
Reply-To: miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University AIDS Center

In article <1992Jul27.150007.1447@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
>
>Did Boppo (Bruce Tiemann) not qualify or not enter?  I know he can do better
>than the winning run with balls (hell, I can do better) and he was
>hoping to do 7 clubs at this convention although he doesn't juggle
>well in the morning (a night owl like myself).
>
>C Frog

  I wasn't there, but Purdue correspondent, Shidan Habibi, was.  He said 
that Boppo got an incredible run on seven balls but the judges hadn't 
noticed that he'd nodded to indicate he was starting.  So it was counted as 
a trial run...  I don't know what happened after that.
  Habibi reported that Boppo did win the 5 high (5 ball cascade endurance) 
contest -- juggling for some 37 minutes.  


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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 11:05:26 EDT
From: <NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: More about free-standing ladder

 A while back I posted a question about how to learn free-
standing ladder.  The reply that I got indicated that it was
quite difficult and very dangerous:  Ideally, you should
learn with a safety harness. While I am sure this is good
advise, most of us don't have such a facility at our
disposal - I wondered if there was any other less involved
method to learn fs ladder, so I asked around at the convention:

Steve Mills says that you can learn it by leaning the ladder
up against a wall. That way you can only fall "backwards" away
from the wall. As was mentioned in the previous posting, falling
forwards can be dangerous, since your legs tend to get tangled
up in the ladder - Ouch!. Falling backwards is no problem, since you
can jump off the ladder. Also, as you get better, you can practise
"bailing out" safely to the side of the ladder when you fall.

So, you start by climbing up a rung or two and trying to balance
by rocking back and forth. Once you can balance at the lower
rungs, apparently riding the ladder on higher rungs is easier.
(For the same reason that a tall unicycle is easier than a short one).

From my discussions at the convection, I'm fairly
sure that fs ladder is a bit too dangerous for me - broken
ankles are not uncommon. Still, in light of the previous postings,
I thought I'd mention that there is a (somewhat more hazardous)
alternative to using a hanging harness.

  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  NAYLORD@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: chrisl@joplin.wri.com (Chris LaReau)
Subject: Re: Juggling and Early Childhood
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:59:26 GMT

In <1992Jul30.160957.3262@javelin.sim.es.com> krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers) writes:

>chrisl@joplin.wri.com (Chris LaReau) writes:

>>In <1992Jul22.211657.5707@walter.bellcore.com> jns@inoms.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jesse N. Schell) writes:
>>
>>>I've heard it said that Anthony Gatto was able to juggle his age for three
>>>consecutive years (3, 4, and 5, if you couldn't guess). Is this mere 
>>>mythology?
>>
>>Not a myth, but not true either. The party in question was Albert Lucas, not
>>Anthony Gatto.

>How many of you actually have kids or deal with them on a frequent
>basis?  Do you know any 3 year olds who can juggle 3 balls?  From all
>contact with kids I've had (and I have frequent involvement with kids
>these ages), a *very* physically advanced 3 year old can
>_occasionally_ catch _one_ ball he throws himself.  Most can't even do
>that.  Most have difficulty catching a single ball perfectly thrown at
>them.

>Trust me, the above is pure myth regardless of who the accredited
>person was.
>-- 
>Keith Rogers
>krogers@javelin.sim.es.com

I bow to your obvious and unparalleled wisdom. You clearly know everything
about all children _and_ all juggling; therefore I kneel humbled before you.

Sheesh. 

It may very well be untrue, as those words came from Lucas (or his father, I
don't remember), and Lucas is the same Lucas who said that he was working on
9 clubs. But the fact that Lucas was very good at a very early age is pretty
well documented, so I personally am willing to cut him a little slack. True,
none of my (12? 13? I don't know, I've lost count...) nieces and nephews
could juggle at the age of 3, but then again, no one coached them from day
one either. This was most assuredly not true in the Lucas case. I believe
that early coaching does make a difference, and Lucas and Gatto are prime
examples of why I believe this.

Chris

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Wolfram Research Inc. 100 Trade Centre Dr. Champaign IL 61820  (217) 398-0700
chrisl@wri.com               "Everything you know is wrong" -- Marble Madness
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Juggling and Early Childhood
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:44:52 GMT

chrisl@joplin.wri.com (Chris LaReau) writes:

>>How many of you actually have kids or deal with them on a frequent
>>basis?  Do you know any 3 year olds who can juggle 3 balls?  From all
>>contact with kids I've had (and I have frequent involvement with kids
>>these ages), a *very* physically advanced 3 year old can
>>_occasionally_ catch _one_ ball he throws himself.  Most can't even do
>>that.  Most have difficulty catching a single ball perfectly thrown at
>>them.
>
>>Trust me, the above is pure myth regardless of who the accredited
>>person was.
>
>I bow to your obvious and unparalleled wisdom. You clearly know everything
>about all children _and_ all juggling; therefore I kneel humbled before you.
>
>Sheesh. 
>
>It may very well be untrue, as those words came from Lucas (or his father, I
>don't remember), and Lucas is the same Lucas who said that he was working on
>9 clubs. But the fact that Lucas was very good at a very early age is pretty
>well documented, so I personally am willing to cut him a little slack. True,
>none of my (12? 13? I don't know, I've lost count...) nieces and nephews
>could juggle at the age of 3, but then again, no one coached them from day
>one either. This was most assuredly not true in the Lucas case. I believe
>that early coaching does make a difference, and Lucas and Gatto are prime
>examples of why I believe this.

It never ceases to amaze me that people who know absolutely nothing
about me feel it's their obligation to put me in my place.  I've
gotten mail and this posting ranting about my comments.

Yes, it's true, I don't know every child on planet earth.  After all,
I've only tought preschoolers professionally for 5 years, but hey, no
doubt I'm just blowing air.  I have two kids of my own, 4 and 2, who
I've been trying to teach juggling every day since day one, but hey,
I'm only blowing air, right?  Yeah, I only still take care of
preschoolers one day a week for a few hours even now that I'm an
engineer, but hey, I'm just blowing air, right?  Sure, I only have a
sample of some 100x greater than this guy and with more contact too,
I'd bet, but, yup, I'm just blowing more air again.

Oh, the Mozart analogy seems to be popular.  So tell me, did Mozart
juggle 3 balls at age 3?  What the hell does Mozart have to do with
juggling?

You want to cut Lucas some slack?  Fine.  Believe what you want.  You
may even believe the next pres will eliminate the deficit for all I
care.  But why don't you at least find out where I'm comming from
before you feel obligated to set me straight.  In short, why don't you
cut me some slack - I'm making far less outrageous claims than Lucas.
-- 
Keith Rogers
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
From: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brad LaBroad)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling Torches
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:54:48 GMT
Reply-To: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Pokey Folk on Parade

In article <1992Jul28.205407.14746@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> ronald@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Braunstein) writes:
>
>Hi, I was going to buy some torches to pass with a friend on the beach.
>I am not a performer, so balance is more important to me that looks.
>Can someone recommend a torch to get or stay away from.
>[Dube, Todd smith, the ones with the white handles]
>

I know a number of people who despise the "ones with the white handles"
but, nevertheless, they would be my recommendation for beach juggling.
They cost less than the the lovely mylar jobs (I love my Dube custom
torches) but for hard and decidedly casual use I think the wooden Dubes
are fine. No problem with sand infiltrating tape; they can be repainted
if necessary (mine look like hell from being dropped on pavement and
gravel, etc., etc.) and they are not so flashy-looking. They are a
little hard on the hands, but usually it's warm on the beach and
circulation in the hands is good anyway.

I hope no one feels this is heresy, but I have zero interest in
performance, numbers, juggling physics, and so on. For me juggling is a
recreational activity roughly on par with frisbee, only about a thousand
times more fun. Passing torches on the beach is pretty much the acme of
fun, with passing torches around the old campfire a close second. (I'm
speaking of fun with torches lest you think my libido got burned in a
tragic fuel experiment.)

So I can relate to not wanting to even *look* like a "juggler." I try to
make a distinction to non-jugglers between performance-level juggling
and the type of juggling that most anyone can learn. I have utmost
respect for those who raise juggling to an art and to a science and would
hate to devalue the effort and skill that they display. That's why I
don't mind using some ratty-looking torches--it's a different focus
altogether.

Have fun and happy passing!

p.s.

I'm leaving for Hawaii in a couple of days, and I'll be taking the "ones
with the white handles." :-)
--
Bradlee T. LaBroad                             read & write & ride & juggle
 bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com                        It's a tough job but 
   GB_500 DoD#389                                somebody gets to do it.