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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: India Ink for black tattoos?
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.215740.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu  
writes:
>My tattooist used black India ink for my tattoo....does anyone
>have any experience with fading with this type of ink?  I heard
>that there are new kinds of ink nowadays that resist fading.
>Does anyone know if India ink is commonly used for black tattooes?
>
>I just got mine done 3 months ago, and already, its beginning
>to turn slightly bluish. I know that the sun will contribute to
>some fading, but should it begin to fade from a deep dark black
>to a bluish/black so soon?  

i've got bad news. most of the old tattoos (particularly military) were done
with india ink and mow most of them look like they were done with blotting
paper. 

india ink is not a good ink to use for tattooing. and no, it should not 
be fading so soon. i'd talk to your tattooist about it.

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From: paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Incubus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tattooeist in Providence, RI?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:27:22 GMT
Organization: The Order of the Gash


In article <ALEWIS.92Nov22163938@lynx.coe.northeastern.edu> alewis@lynx.coe.northeastern.edu (Drew Lewis) writes:
>From what I've heard, the places in RI are REALLY bad....
>and the ones in New Hampshire aren't much better.

I am sorry, but I cannot disagree more...
in NH there are two very respectable tattooists that I know of...
Juli Moon's shop
Juli Moon's Metaphysical Ink
Seabrook, NH
603-474-2250

and

Dave Rubin's
Sign of the Wolf
W. Lebanon, NH
603-298-6053

I cannot speak for RI...

I suggest visiting as many shops as you can to find one
where you feel comfortable with the artists...
Watch the technique and and ask to see their sterization
procedures.  Also make sure they use new needles for every
tattoo.

Enjoy your ink, and make sure it will be a positive experience...
-paul haban
The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu
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From: jflee@hubcap.clemson.edu (finley lee)
Subject: Re: India Ink for black tattoos?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:11:22 GMT

jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>My tattooist used black India ink for my tattoo....does anyone
>have any experience with fading with this type of ink?  I heard
>that there are new kinds of ink nowadays that resist fading.
>Does anyone know if India ink is commonly used for black tattooes?

>I just got mine done 3 months ago, and already, its beginning
>to turn slightly bluish. I know that the sun will contribute to
>some fading, but should it begin to fade from a deep dark black
>to a bluish/black so soon?  

According to a tattoist in Atlanta, who did my second to latest tattoo,
india ink should not be used for tattoos because it is an organic ink
and will basically rot under the skin, causing the appearance of the
tattoo to degrade over time.  From what I understand, inert synthetic
inks are more appropriate for this use.

However, I am no biologist, so I don't know if what he told me was
accurate.  Can anyone verify this?

Hope this helps.

- Finley
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Cynthia Witkin tattoos
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:04:45 GMT
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In article <1992Nov20.195630.2720@ide.com> selvidge@ide.com (Leah Selvidge) writes:
>
>This is my first post on a newsgroup, so if there are any major glitches in
>this transmission...please advise.

	Welcome to the group, Leah.

>Upon perusal of a 1990 issue of Tattootime, I ran across a spread on an 
>Albuquerque tattoo artist by the name of Cynthia Witkin who has a shop
>by the name of Cynthesis Tattoo. I think I have finally seen some work that is 
>incredibly original without being too abstract.

	Y'know, I've seen that spread too, and I have a totally
	different reaction to it.

	First a caveat; I've only seen that little bit of work by her,
	and I *know* that Ed Hardy is terrible about publishing less-than-
	the-best by certain artists in his publications (Look at his recent
	rag-of-an-art-book...).

	However, My response to the spread on Cynthia Witkin's work is;
	"My, how trite and derivative".

	Not that she's *bad*. Just that what I've seen strikes me as that
	sort of 'Arty for the sake of being arty' look that tends to 
	make me think of, of, say, cheap "Southwest" interior decor.


		But that's just *my* opinion....




				-Karl

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From: christ@cie.uoregon.edu (Christian G. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tattooers kit
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:53:56 GMT
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Morten Amundsen (mortena@ifi.uio.no) wrote:
: 
: Does somebody know if there exists a tattooers kit to buy with all
: the things needed to get started?
:
 
  If you pick up any tat-mag, you should be innundated with adverts for
do-it-yourself starter kits.  I've been perusing Skin Art lately and count
at least 10 ads in there.
  Here's an example of what it might cost and what you get in one of these:
 
  2 professional double coil tattoo machines
  Both liner and shader
  Needles and stainless steel tubes
  Variable 1 Amp DS poer supply
  Footswitch
  Clipboard
  7-2oz pre mixed colors
  8 colored design sheets
  extra needles
  stencils
  spray bottles
  ink caps
  pencils
  & "everything you need to start tattooing, instructions included!"
 
  Price: $339
 
  Hope I helped,
 
-christian
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: Ampallang
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:24:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.211447.4693@williams.edu> 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright) writes:
>Actually, after recieving several e-mails about eccessively long
>healing times, I've pretty much decided not to get an ampallang.
>The possibility still remains of other piercings, however ... :-)

a Prince Albert...

>I've also finally decided on a design/place for my first tattoo.  A
>black double helix with (hopefully) some fine line work connecting the
>two strands.  The helix will be unwinding slightly at the top.  The
>placement will be on the line between my  left hipbone and center of my
>foot, about three inches from the hipbone and about three inches long.

Do you have really short legs?

>(I hope that some people out there understand the joke, but it also
>has a fair amount of personal meaning and I think it will end up being
>a nice graphic as well, so I'm killing three birds with one stone).  

I didn't get the joke, or the tattoo placement, at all, could you elaborate
a bit? Just curious,

Oh, wait, I think I get the joke, not certain, but yea, well..

>	I've also seen a design I really like for a (possible) second
>tattoo.  It's the logo for a rock climbing equipment company, but it
>basically consists of a black archeopteryx fossil skeleton.  (As you
>might be able to tell, I'm a bio major).

I wouldn't have guessed,

>Andrew

Tim

tell us more



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From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: my apologies.....
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:27:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.174138.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Hi there folks...
>i just got done reading all of the "body art police' postings, andd
>again, I want to stress that my statement was very harsh and
>did not mmean for it to read that way.  I am new to the net
>and am not really knowledgeable of the etiquette....

Hello... No big deal, but it's best for new net.users to watch a bit before
joining the fray -- as you found out, it's a jungle out there! Something
you might want to check out are the groups news.announce.newusers and
news.newusers.questions. They have all the "generic" faq (frequently asked
question) lists, including the much-vaunted "netiquette".

>And are all private postings supposed to stay private unless?

Yes, for the same reason that you don't go publishing personal physical
mail. The net reaches (literally) millions of people around the globe, and
hundreds of thousands read news regularly. If you receive a threatening or
harassing e-letter, and ignoring it is not an option, send mail to
"postmaster" at the user's site saying what happened.

>Boy, do I feel stupid.  :)

Nah, you learned something -- that's not stupid! :-) --Erik

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From: glenn.alldis@human.utas.edu.au (Glenn Alldis)
Subject: Re: India Ink for black tattoos?
Organization: Archetype Publishing
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:38:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.151122.22615@hubcap.clemson.edu>, jflee@hubcap.clemson.edu (finley lee) writes:
> 
> 
> >My tattooist used black India ink for my tattoo....does anyone
> >have any experience with fading with this type of ink?  I heard
> >that there are new kinds of ink nowadays that resist fading.
> >Does anyone know if India ink is commonly used for black tattooes?
> 
> >I just got mine done 3 months ago, and already, its beginning
> >to turn slightly bluish. I know that the sun will contribute to
> >some fading, but should it begin to fade from a deep dark black
> >to a bluish/black so soon?  

 
As far as I know, [& I'm the first to admit I may be wrong, being fairly
new to tattoos] all black pigments used by commercial artists are carbon
based. Exactly the same pigment used for the last 5000 years. Carbon
(sometimes called lamp-black) is the primary constituent of india ink.
Under the skin it tends to appear blu_ish_ once it has healed over. Also
the ink tends to sink deeper into the skin with time (over the first 6
months or so, but black tends to do this less than other pigments.)

Once my first tattoo (black-work) was a couple of weeks old I noticed 
that it had taken on a slightly bluish appearence. It's now two years
old and hasn't changed at all from how it looked after the first few
months. Black tats tend to be the most permanent, and won't even fade
in the sun [which is handy in Australia : ) ] the only difference
sunlight will make to carbon black tats is from your skin tanning to a 
darker colour which can accentuate the bluish appearance., [but tans 
wear off and the tattoo should still be the same] Colour work should
really be protected by an ultra-violet sunscreen (In Aus I've seen some
really badly faded colour work that was only a few years old)

> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
> 
> According to a tattoist in Atlanta, who did my second to latest tattoo,
> india ink should not be used for tattoos because it is an organic ink
> and will basically rot under the skin, causing the appearance of the
> tattoo to degrade over time.  From what I understand, inert synthetic
> inks are more appropriate for this use.
> 
> However, I am no biologist, so I don't know if what he told me was
> accurate.  Can anyone verify this?

Real Indian Ink is primarily an inorganic ink consisting of lamp-black 
(fine carbon particles) held in suspension by an organic gum (usually 
gum arabic). The carbon, once deposited under the skin will not shift
even if the gum base does breakdown in time. Unfortunately not all
products bearing the name Indian Ink are true lamp-black based inks and 
these may do some pretty scary things under skin.

Glenn
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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: When can you have a nipple pierce stretched?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:01:12 GMT

ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey) writes:
        [Q about nipple stretching around a 14ga pierce deleted]
>Also, what are the stretching techniques? Is it similar to getting a new
>pierce from scratch, or is it just squeezing a too-big ring into a
>too-small hole?

This is something I've been meaning to get around to.  I have two 14-16ga
5/8" ID fixed bead rings, one in the nipple, one on the shelf (left over from
a PA I've since replaced, up-gauged, twice.  The plan was to cover the two
rings with coats of clear nail polish, alternating rings, gradually building
up diameter through polish accumulation.  I have heard that this is the way to
go.  Anyone got results?  I was planning on stretching up to 10ga, it's big,
but it's the size of the other shelved ex-PA ring.
I have tried wedging two 14-16ga rings in side by side in the nipple, and I've
tried wedging in the 10ga, much hot baths, and KY later I gave up with achy 
pectorals.
-P.
>Just curious... adTHANKSvance --Erik

>      /earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.
hear, hear! Back to the pleistocene!.
-- 
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Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
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From: osiris@athena.mit.edu (Marcel Bruchez Jr.)
Subject: Fun things to do in lab
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:14:07 GMT

Well, I was bored in my lab the other day, and I realized that the 6 month
play/weight suspension time limit was up for my nipple ring.  So I hooked up a
buret clamp and walked around.  Got some wierd looks, but it was through my
shirt, so they probably didn't know the full story.

-Marcel
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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Colouring areola
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:18:15

"jcarr4" == judy carr 9207 U <jcarr4@mach1.wlu.ca> writes:

jcarr4> She has very light coloured aeroli (sp?) and wonders if there
jcarr4> is any way to darken them permanently (or perhaps
jcarr4> semi-permanently, like some hair colouring).  Or....is there

What about henna?

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From: 002w1b@pnet16.cts.com (Rm1 Burns)
Subject: Newquay Tattoo
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:56:04 GMT

This is going out to anyone in England. I'm looking to get in touch with
an artist that did a couple of tattoos for me while I was in Newquay,
Cornwall. All I remember is the guys name is Steve. He had a shop right in 
downtown Newquay about two or three blocks from the Newquay Arms. Last
I heard he was heading to Portagual(sp?) to work for a Bike Club. I believe
that he closed his shop and was spending alot of time in Wadebridge. If
anyone know anything I would apprecate any help. Just wanted to know if
he made it to Portagual or if he was still around the area. Thanks in 
advance.                                  //Joe//


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From: glenn.alldis@human.utas.edu.au (Glenn Alldis)
Subject: Tattoos: Ink, Attitudes & Information
Organization: Archetype Publishing
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:04:01 GMT

Thanks for the E-mail response to a recent post about Indian Ink
used in Tattooing. A couple of people wrote to me asking about any known
health risks from tattoo ink and I had a stack of responses about ink
constituents.

Anyway, It occurred to me that there is really very little information
available to people who are thinking about getting tattooed, and quite 
a few people who are tattooed are a bit worried about what all that colour
is up to in their skin. [Actually, the only real reason I've stuck to black-
work so far is that I don't know enough about what goes into coloured ink, but 
I do know that _most_ brightly coloured pigments used in things like oil paints,
acrylics and drawing inks are pretty nasty.] So I thought, being a publisher, 
that I would try to get hold of what research has been done, and put it into
a small book of information on inks, procedures, and attitudes to tattooing.
[This will probably take some time, so don't bombard me with request for copies
yet : ) ] Please send any reliable information you may have on inks
(preferably with some sort of reference to the original sources of the info)
to me by e-mail. Info from anyone who has experienced an allergic reaction or 
any other health problem related to their tatts would be appreciated. 
Information on the healing process and how the ink changes over time would 
also be helpful. 

With regard to the "attitude" section, I think it would be useful to include 
a section on typical attitudes towards tattoos: I know that I got a pretty big
shock the first time I got chucked out of a pub just because I was wearing a 
short sleeve t-shirt and there was some INK (Shock - Horror) showing. 

What I would like it to be is a fairly neutral advice book for people 
thinking about getting tattooed, and a good reference source for information
about inks, healing, changes with time and what reactions to expect from other
people. Let's make it safer and better and kill some attitude problems!

Any suggestions regarding such a publication would be appreciated.

Glenn
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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Ampallang
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:49:54

"93asw" == Andrew Wright <93asw@williams.edu> writes:

93asw> an ampallang piercing.  The faq said healing time was 8 to 10
93asw> weeks.  How long does this preclude intercourse?  The faq also

Gauntlet says an average of 6 to 8 *MONTHS*.  I agree.  Intercourse
was out of the question for 8 to 10 weeks, however...

93asw> claims that such a piercing does not give problems when using a
93asw> condom.  Can anyone confirm this, as that has me a little

No problems with condoms.

93asw> worried.  Finally, does a pierce through the urethra leak?

ampallangs usually don't go through the urethra.
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From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: Ampallang
Organization: UCCSN-SCS
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:32:17 GMT

93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright) writes:
>Finally, does a pierce through the urethra leak?

An ampallang piercing may or may not go through the urethra.  A Prince
Albert most definitely does and with that you do get some leakage.
It's not much of problem as long as you remember its going to happen.

>I'm going down to NYC this weekend and was thinking about getting one
>wehile I was there.

Well, how did it go?

---
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From: rap@shark.cis.ufl.edu (Ryan Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Stupid Tatoo Questions
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:58:34 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.


Ok, I have been following the body arts for a while, but I have two questions
that I don't know where else to ask but here:

	(1) I have heard of the recent development of temporary tatoos
             which last for three years or more, does anyone know anything
             about this?

	(2) Know of any good tatoo shops around Daytona, Fl?



-Ryan
From: paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Incubus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: India Ink for black tattoos?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:48:20 GMT
Organization: The Order of the Gash


No offense, but if you see a tattoo artist using India Ink, you
should probably stay away...
This is usually a sign of home-made tattoos or at best a self
taught tattoo artist. Personally I would not receive a tattoo from
such an artist.  Did he/she have all ther other tools of a 
sanity technician? ie autoclave? sterile workplace? etc?

please stay away from any non professional tattoo artists...

-paul haban (tired of seeing the marks and scars left by scratchers...)
The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu
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From: glenn.alldis@human.utas.edu.au (Glenn Alldis)
Subject: Re: India Ink for black tattoos?
Organization: Archetype Publishing
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174820.13230@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Incubus) writes:
> 
> 
> No offense, but if you see a tattoo artist using India Ink, you
> should probably stay away...
Dels.
> please stay away from any non professional tattoo artists...
> 
> -paul haban (tired of seeing the marks and scars left by scratchers...)

You're damn right. Its a point I should have included in my previous 
response to this thread. Anyone claiming to be a tattooist with a bottle
labeled "Indian Ink" on the bench is a problem [probably a *big* problem
for anyone who gets tattooed by them :-(] My point was that essentially 
most black inks are _technically_ Indian since they are based on carbon
held together with an organic medium. I was certainly *not* endorsing
commercial "Indian Inks" for tattooing.
Glenn
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:46:12 EST
From: <JRUNNE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject:    Check out this story...

Hello, decorated people!!  Good to be back online again.  Here's a
story I've been DYING to tell you all...

I recently visited a friend of mine in the U.K..  He's from a rather
priggish and upright background (which to his credit he's outgrown).
In any event, I was telling him about MY little bit of bodyart, when
he volunteered a piece of information about his late grandfather.
Apparently, the fellow was QUITE fond of his pipe.  Seems that he
went to a dentist and had his teeth on one side of his mouth filed into
a little notch, so that he could always put his pipe in his favorite
spot without getting a sore jaw.  Pretty wild for an old Victorian,
eh?  Hope that this is a source of inspiration for others to do similar
stuff along those same lines....

---JLR