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From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:45 GMT

philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert Hite) writes:

>>>Funny you should ask that question too! I also never seem
>>>to get a reak answer when I ask certain people why they date
>>>this or that group. Did you read my post (kinda long I admit)
>>>number 17395?
>>>
>>>In it I spoke about a question I asked a certain asian females:
>>>
>>>"Was race EVER a factor in your decision to date a white guy? 
>>>If not, why didn't you date a black guy or Latino if race
>>>was not really an issue?"
>>
>>But many of us did.  Right, ladies?  Why didn't we discuss this?  Actually,
>>Clare Chu did.  The rest of probably refrained because the subject was AMCF 
>>vs AFCM. 
>>
>>diana

>That might be true Diana, but once before I asked a question pertaining to
>African-American Males dating Asian Females, and nobody then wanted to give
>an *honest* answer.  It was funny how the only people who responded were those
>Asian Females who had no problem with dating Black guys.  And all of those
>arrogant White guys who want every discussion to revolve around their
>relationships with AF's got their way, and my original question hardly got
>addressed.  So somebody please tell us, why is it that Asians have a problem
>specifically with their women dating Blacks?  

Probably there is also less "status" attached to 
dating a black than a white,

Just as there is less "status" attached to dating
an asian than a white.

To take this a step further, there seems to be more
status to dating an asian female than to dating an asian male.

Not surprising if we look at television and see the number
of successful female asian newscasters, actresses, models,
etc. compared to asian newscasters, actors, models, etc.

If we assume that BOTH asian females
and asian males attach higher status to white males
and white females, then the differential dating rate
could be accounted for by the different status of
AF and AM among the highest status group, CM and CF.

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Homosexuality/Bisexuality
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:43:24 GMT

In article 25348@oakhill.sps.mot.com, rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou) writes:
>g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:
>>I must say you got guts. I myself never thought about anything other than the 
>>opposite sex when in comes to relations (sexual and/or emotional). You know that 
>>by having thoughts about homosexuality/bisexuality you could easily become one. I'm 
>>not saying it is bad nor good. I'm just saying that such a move can change your whole 
>>perspective on life (having gay friends as references). 
>
>
>Hmm, that's interesting.  Just by having thoughts about  homosexuality/bi
>you could easily become one? How does this work? How about the other way around?
>Can I become straight by having heterosexual thoughts?  I think not.  I do agree
>that once you acknowledge and accept your feelings, instead of suppressing
>them and denying them, then you will have a whole new perspective on life.
>Life suddenly becomes a lot less stressful.
>-- 
>Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
>Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs


Now that there seems to some interest in this subject. I would like to know how and 
when can you tell that you are homosexual/bisexual? Carole M. mention that she was a 
product of surrondings and self awareness (I think that's what she said, I can't 
remember). Is this always the case ?

Curiosity from a Heterosexual ?

TU 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:38:31 GMT

achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:

>What do you bet that when President-elect Clinton gets through with
>making his Cabinet "look like America," there will be African-Americans
>and Hispanics, but no Asian-Americans in it?

What percentage of Americans are Asian-American?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I think every straight guy should have another man's tongue in his mouth 
atleast once." -Madonna, quoted in NEWSWEEK, quoting from The ADVOCATE.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:44:08 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:45:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.202428.8697@nynexst.com> Clare Chu, clare@nynexst.com
writes:
>  I just don't
>  like to be too critical of whites on this newsgroup because they always
>  start a flame war, and I don't have time to sustain one since I'm busy
>  at work, and am sort of sick of this topic. 

<flick> <flick>

Sorry, guess my lighter ran out of fuel.  No flame from this evil White guy
today.

======================================================================
|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:23:11 GMT

T.K.Hara@newcastle.ac.uk (T.K. Hara) writes:


>CAN SOMEBODY SAY HOW AMERICAN, THE ASIAN-AMERICANS ARE ? WHEN DID THEY EMIGRATE 
>TO AMERICA? TO WHAT EXTENT HAVE THEY INTERACTED WITH OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS IN 
>AMERICA, FOR EXAMPLE IN MARRIAGE ETC.
>THE DEFINITION OF ASIAN-AMERICAN IS 'RATHER GENERAL' IN A WAY AS WELL (IF YOU 
>COMPARE TO WHO IS CALLED AFRICAN-AMERICAN).  
>IT WOULD ALSO BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INDIGINOUS 
>'ASIA-AMERICANS' IN AMERICA.

If indeed Native Americans migrated across the Bering Bridge, before
it was a Strait, then the original immigration was quite a long time
ago, and we'd have to include all Native Americans in our counting
(well, we wouldn't have to - we of course could divide it into 
pre- and post-1700 immigration.  I use this date, since I don't
know how to classify Russian immigrants/settlers along the coast,
and don't know how many of them would have been from Siberia, etc.
So yes, Asian-American might be rather general, though I don't
think it's much more general than African-American: I think
offspring of mixed marriages still retain some Asian physical
characteristics, just as African-American mixed marriages do.
-- 
{{{{ bill eldridge           310-206-3960                x                }}}}
{{{{ bill@cognet.ucla.edu    310-206-3987 fax           xxx              }}}}
{{{{ ~more, ~better, ~faster [80's motto]                x              }}}}
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:36:21 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1go4okINN8nr@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu> pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan) writes:
>William Haseltine has stated that around the world, 85% of the HIV infections
>are heterosexual, and that in the next century, we could see as many as a 
>billion cases.

Who cares? Let them ro... ...

>	2) in America, AIDS hit gays hardest and first (more free clues,
>	   Arthur: is the man talking about America, or the world?  What
>	   fraction of the world lives in America?  what did he tell us
>	   about the world picture?  and even in America, what are the
>	   fastest growing risk groups?)

Well, I happen to believe the U.S. is a perfect model for the industrialized
world. Besides, how many people outside of the U.S. are willing to admit that
they got AIDS via homosexual activities?? Personally, I don't even believe
Magic Johnson's "I got it from a woman" story..
fastest growing risk group: still gays
(a clue to paul: don't believe those act-up influenced stats)

>	3) there is no AIDS in Asia (free clue, Arthur: go to your dictionary
>	   and look up "denial")

HAHAHHAHAHA, I tell you, if AIDS really is a big problem in China right now
(or in the future) all AIDS victims would've been quarantined! I'm not sure
about the U.S. but I know there is a Leper Island in China :)

>Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
>>in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
>>human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
>>that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
>>told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
>>20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. Now you look at your SanFrancisc
>>HIV seroprevalence survey, and the only groups of people with HIV rates
>>that high are gays in STD clinics, IV drug users, or both. Even Uganda,
>>with the highest HIV rate of any nation in the world is nowhere near
>>20%, and neither is San Francisco. When you factor in that well over
>>half of the world lives in Asia, East Europe, or the Middle East where HIV
>>is largely nonexistent outside of a few pockets, and this figure should
>>obviously impossible to anyone with half an open mind. He also says 85
>>percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
>>no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
>>AIDS is almost non-existent.

Bravo bravo bravo

NW
---
NOT Danielle Wei
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Languages and Asian Americans
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:41:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec16.220854.22160@news.uakron.edu> misra@paul.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra) writes:
>
>	Anyone out there whose kids speak a language they don't
>	understand (on a regular basis)?
>	
>	Sanjay

 yeah, I speak good old american procrastination and instant gratification.

 My parents speak the traditional language of hard work, advanced planning
 and self-sacrifice.

 We are like two different worlds. Don't understand each other at all.

- jon


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<6_h2=xr@rpi.edu>,<1992Dec15.000541.19855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec16.173512.18893@sarah.albany.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:16:17 GMT

   ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
   > buckmr@vccnw06.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
   >From the 1990 US Census figures:
   >	White				80%
   >	Black				12%
   >	Hispanic			 9%
   >	Asian and Pacific Islander	 3%
   >	Native American			 1%

  What is the criteria used to determine minority status? I have always
  assumed that it would be dependent upon population within a
  country...but, as Asians aren't considered a minority and yet our
  population is still well below that of African-Am. and Hispanics, I
  would like to know the definition of minority.

Eh? Asians aren't considered a minority? Sez who?

Asians aren't considered an *underrepresented* minority in certain
contexts (e.g. many universities) because they are present in numbers
far exceeding their percentage of the population.  As a result,
schools like MIT don't use "affirmative action" techniques to try to
increase Asian enrollment (just as they don't use those techniques to
try to increase white enrollment).

But there are very few places in the U.S. where Asians aren't a
minority.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gkc00@osiriscd.amdahl.com (Gene K. Chui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: New Topics
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:44:45 GMT
Reply-To: gkc00@quts.ccc.amdahl.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  I have been following this news group for the past several weeks, (there
was a laid-off and a re-organization within the company, so there was a lot
of time to be killed,) it seems like the issue of CM/AF has generated the most
heat. While the discussion has provided high entertainment value, (if you don't
take it so seriously,) I do believe this topic is getting old, and nobody has
convinced anybody of anything by calling each other names and stuff. So may
I suggest we move onto other topics, such as what's the latest good movie you
have seen, (are there any?) or what's the best gift idea for Christmas, (that
reminds me, I still have a lot of shoppings left to do,) or if you want some
serious topics, how about Asian Americans gaining more political power in
the Clinton government, or why can't an Asian American dunk a basketball? (I
know I can't, even I am 6'1".)

  So cheers, let's get into the holiday spirit, and be happy!


* Gene K. Chui                      *                     
*                                   *
* email: gkc00@quts.ccc.amdahl.com  *
* phone: 408-746-7871               *
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:10992 soc.culture.african.american:13071 alt.politics.clinton:18843
From: rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou)
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:24:02 GMT

lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>experiences.  Nevertherless I certainly *feel* bisexual.  I guess
>bisexuality is not really who you fuck or have fucked, it is also how
>you feel, sexually speaking (any comments Carole?).  Perhap I will
>decide to *explore* more about the homosexual side of myself.  Whatever
>happens in the future, I'll certainly not call myself straight.

I agree, your sexual orientation is how you *feel*, not who you have slept
with.  (IMHO)  I would also encourage you to explore your feelings,
whatever they may be.  No need to rush, just do so at a pace comfortable
to you.

>Dan

>PS:  This has taken a lot of courage from me to write.  Some of you
>probably will have a different attitude about me but one thing I wanna
>say is I am still the same old Dan.  It's Xmas and it is the season to
>be honest about anything including my sexuality.  I don't know why I am
>such a optimist cos I can sense a lot of conservative Chinese_cu out
>there sending flames this way.  Oh what the heck, hate mails are welcome
>just make sure you send them before Xmas so I can be entertained.
>Oh E-hugs are also welcome from anyone, male or female.


LOTS of E-hugs from me, Dan.  Congrats.  It *is* a very difficult thing
to come out to people, so I commend your courage!  But I think you have
reason to be optimistic about this group.  When I came out to this group
I only received one piece of hate mail, but got lots of encouragement.
There are a lot of decent people in this group.


Again, lots of e-hugs.
-- 
Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:14:32 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <dh.724508589@dcs.ed.ac.uk>

Well, that's great
- no one bothers to question 1 billion. Only the experts know.
- 1 billion isn't the same as 20% HIV+. Well, that's what ABC News said,
  even over several generations, it's still 7-10% worldwide, which is
  still absurd.
- Not everyone is at risk. The rate of HIV+ among Catholic nuns is extremely
  low. It is absurd to say there is not difference between the risk to a
  gay in San Francisco, or drug user in NYC and a farmer in South Dakota are
 the same. There is a huge difference. Anyone who said AIDS does not
  discrminate does not discriminate between a 1 in 2 chance of being HIV+
  for a gay drug user and 1 in 100,000 for the farmer in Fargo.
- My point is riducuolous prjections based on outlandish assumptions. There
 is no need to exaggerate the extent of the AIDS problem as there is no need
 to ignore it.
From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 04:23:35 GMT
Organization: Stanford University School of Medicine
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: camis.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec13.021358.9353@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1gdrkuINN6kj@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU
>(Angel Puerta) writes:
>>[incredible stupidity deleted to save bandwidth]
>>You mean like those awful black people from the NAACP? Well, see they
>>have to "demand" because they don't have a "pool of talent" like 
>>Japanese-Americans. They could never be appointed by their own "wits".
>>...
>
>I presume that this is the standard of intellectual course in Mr. Puerta's
>cultural group.


I see that you do not have any intellectual arguments about my postings except
for calling me "jerk, stupid, low intellectually", and so on. Plus the quote
above from my posting cannot be interpreted on its own because it satirizes 
what you said. Thus, it is a very thinly veiled attempt to manipulate what
I said. According to your definition, isn't that also Chinese-cu? Shame, shame!



-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
From: davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:58:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <Bz65v4.DAE@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

Stuff deleted...

>So tell me, where do Asian Americans go after graduation??
>(besides flooding the American graduate schools)
>
>---
>NOT Ms. Wei

Have you ever hear of the term "work", there are people who would actually 
try to find work after they graduate.  You know, seeking employment and
earn money for a living.  Some people do the strangest things don't they?

Dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ac@cheshire.oxy.edu (Aileen Cho)
Subject: Re: ...or purple
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:56:57 GMT


  Alan,
    Thanks for the compliments, and the comments, and if it seems I was
implying that all Asian American men are (fill in stereotypical adj.) then
I'm sorry.  But that's NOT what I was trying to imply (I wouldn't imply it
if that's how I felt--I would just SAY so). I only caught the 
remarks regarding my original post in reading somebody's repost of them
(yeah, yeah, not very well organized, but it was finals:-).). I wasn't
responding to Asian American men specifically, but to _anybody_ who was
questioning _my_ beliefs and environment, whether it be Asian or...green,
male or female or both or neither. 
   There have been plenty of Asian _women_ (at Oxy, mind you), who dis-
approved of me "not dating Asian men." Plenty of women of other races,
for that matter.  I know plenty of Asian guys who really don't care who
I'm interested in (unless it's them--then they get worried, :-).) And I
certainly am not saying that I _wouldn't_ date an Asian guy. (The first
love o'my life was part Filipino, part Chinese).   
   It's kind of strange, to talk about physical characteristics as typical
of specific ethnicities in attraction--I think there are    
for example, Caucasians and Asians who resemble each other more than others
of their own ethnicities, and that goes for Latinos and African Americans
too (except for complexion, of course). I'm talking the general types of
facial features -- for instance, I tend to like medium tall, slender-with-
muscles men with rather angular features (_tend_ to, not _always_), and there
are men of all ethnicities who fit those characteristics, or don't.  And
mellow personalities, the kind of guy who doesn't say much in public but is
thoughtful and charismatic among friends (doesn't say much in public? Hmm,
no wonder I don't date people from the Net!" :-/). 
  That's all I mean. For many others, race _will_ be a much more crucial
issue, and that's to be expected. Most people didn't grow up in the kind
of world I did. And probably as I meet more people from all over, I'll find
that race will have to be a bigger issue for me whether I like it or not
( I don't, obviously) simply because someone I  might like might 

might become friends with or whatever with will see it as one. But excuse me,
I won't ever conced that it ought to be.
       Thanks to y'all who commented. A neverending cyclical discussion,
but certainly of neverending fascination for most of us.
       Y'know, even at Oxy there are some appreciated Asian men. It's not
so disparate _everywhere_. :-).
                                                     --ac

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:36:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.000541.19855@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>From the 1990 US Census figures:
>	White				80%
>	Black				12%
>	Hispanic			 9%
>	Asian and Pacific Islander	 3%
>	Native American			 1%
>The Total adds up to more than 100% since "Hispanic" is not disjoint from the
>other categories.
Or there are those who are or claim to be of mixed race or ethnicity.
But then that may not be a statistically large number of them.
Just an hyposthesis.


RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: ...or purple
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:31:41 GMT

ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:

>The simple fact, though, is that AAF/WM relationships outnumber
>AAM/WF relationships by a huge margin.  (From marriage records,
>4:1 in San Francisco, 8:1 in Sacramento)  It doesn't take a statistical
>genius to surmise that something very strange is going on.

What I'm curious about is, are there 4 or 8 times as married
AAF as AAM? If not, who are all the AAM marrying? (unless it's
each other :)

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu