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From: wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: queasiness after running
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:53:35 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10

In article <1992Jul27.171543.22685@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, kcd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Karen Davis) writes:
|> I didn't see this in the FAQ, but apologies in advance if this has been
|> discussed to death already.
|> 
|> The question: 	what can be done to avoid extreme queasiness after a long/hard
|> 		run?
|> 

My assumption is (of course, I may be wrong since I don't know all circumstances), that you probably overstrain your body.

Queasiness can be caused by a deficiency of blood in the stomach, because
it is all needed in your legs.

If you consider eating after running it's always the best to wait until your
appetite comes back. 
That says your body is ready to take food.

With respect to eating before running there is no general rule.
Some runners say they could not run with an empty stomach. 
Others (including myself) have no problems with that.
But, usually this could only affect you DURING running.


wolf

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.231844.168@tfs.com> ashish@tfs.com (Ashish Mukharji) writes:
>
>Well, then why is it that competitive runners always seem to wear
>singlets when racing?  All I can come up with is they don't want to pin
>the number to their bare skin.  :) 

Race belts solve this problem.  I don't like the pin holes 
in singlets when I wear them either.

>There must be a better reason.  More room for ad space?  

bingo.  That and probably 'tradition' like wearing white at Wimbledon. 


>It's not only top runners who do this ...  running
>sans shirt seems so much more comfortable to me.
>

Top triathletes often run sans shirt (and sans socks, pants, 
and anything else they can legally take off).


>>Preston Briggs
>
>-ashish
>
>
>-- 
>Ashish Mukharji       Jesus he knows me, and he knows I'm right,
>ashish@tfs.COM        I've been talking to Jesus all my life ...     Genesis


-- 
Bob Brand
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From: roger@asylum.UUCP (Roger Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Sore hip
Summary: Sore hip keeps me from running
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:17:07 GMT

Three years ago I took up running again.  After only a few gentle runs my
right hip locked up with accompanying pain.  I stopped running, and after
a while the problem went away.  I've played basketball and tennis since then
(and before) with no problems.  So five weeks ago I decided to try running 
again, but after only one brief run the pain came back, and persisted
since, despite no exercise since then (other than stretching).

I have tight muscles, and the two doctors I have seen think it is bursitis 
or tendonitis.  x-rays show no obvious degenerative problems.  A week of
800 mg Ibuprofen three times a day made no difference.  Today they gave
me Naproxin to try instead.  I've also been to physical therapy three
times, which has led to short-term improvement, but not much long term
effect.  I also now stretch twice a day.

My goal is to get rid of the pain and to be able to run actively again.
(I ran in high school and after college for a few years, and I'm now 34.)

Has anybody had a similar problem?

Thanks,

Roger
roger@ipswitch.com, (617) 942-0621
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: greg@hal.com (Greg Hilton)
Subject: Re: TV sched for women's Oly marathon?
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:56:38 GMT

jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers) writes:
: I believe NBC will show *parts* of the marathon starting at 11:00 central
: time on Saturday, Aug 1.  No doubt it will be broken up.  I can't imagine
: they would *even* think about covering more than 70 minutes of the race.
: Actually I was surprised there was going to be that much coverage.  I'm
: also amazed that they are showing 2:30 of the men's marathon.  The
: women's marathon won't be on the triple cast, so its just as well you
: didn't waste your money.

My cable service shows that the women's marathon *will* be on the red
channel Saturday morning.

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From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: How fast is fast?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:54:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Keywords: 8k
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Jul21.212518.6120@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin) writes:
>
>I am considering participating in an 8K run this fall and since
>I have never run in any formal events, I am curious as to the expected
>pace.  That is, in a typical (?) 8K fun run, how much time will
>it take the fastest 10% of the field.  How about the top half?
>How long until 90% of the field complete the run?
>
>I realize this will vary between events, but rough numbers should
>give me a better idea.
>
VERY roughly (and assuming that the Purdue track team isn't entered :-)), I'd
say that for the guys:
	 
	-5:30/mi pace (~27:00) needed to win
	 6:00/mi pace (~30:00) top 10%
	 7:00/mi pace (~35:00) top 50%
	 8:30/mi pace (~42:00) won't be in last place

But hey, time is _not_ everything.  A fair-sized road race in the fall is a
lot of fun regardless of your time.  Just wait until you pin that number on
your shirt for the first time.....


-- 
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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Olympics predictions
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:35:06 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul23.173956.11770@math.ucla.edu> reider@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.142320.21341@midway.uchicago.edu> mc21@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.111020@axion.bt.co.uk> jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope) writes:
>>>4x400m
>>>1. GBR
>>>2. Germany
>>>(USA drop baton in semis/end up bickering over who is
>>>going to do what and all fall out)
>>
>>But this, on the other hand, probably reflects the facts more than any 
>>country loyalty.
>
>  In the 4x400 semis the US could drop the baton twice and still make it
>into the top 4 and advance to the final, and it's pretty hard to drop a
>baton on a 4x400.  Especially since all of the US runners have run a ton
>of 4x400's in their collegiate careers.
>
>  I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in the 4x100.  We did it in
>88, the US women have done it a couple times.  Hopefully they can get
>the stick around the track and show a US team can win without Lewis on
>the anchor leg.

If I were coaching we wouldn't have to prove we could win without him because
he'd still be there! Nobody has shown *me* they can go get a guy the way Carl
does..


-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: 10k first mile: how fast?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:40:57 GMT

In article <5700027@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
>Relative to the average pace over the 10k course, how fast should the first 
>mile be run? I'd be interested in hearing opinions/reasons in other distances
>as well.
>
>As an example of my personal experience, in my last 10k I ran the first mile
>in 5:41, goal pace was 6:00, actual pace averaged 6:04. I suspect this is
>going out too fast, though I was consciously holding back and wasn't pushing
>it or suffering until the sprint for the finish. I wonder if it makes sense
>to use the adrenaline and tension for that first mile, or if by not using it
>you can hold an overall faster pace.
>
>cheers,
>scott smay

Good question!!  Anyone? Anyone? ... Bueller?
-- 
Bob Brand
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:18:43 -0400 
From: Bruce Kerr <bk22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: running club

Does anyone know of any clubs or groups of people that run together in
or around the pittsburgh area? 

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Boosting mileage
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:58:16 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <829@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:

>the event. I have seen studies which show that runners do not lose
>anything in terms of performance if they run no more than 1/3 of their
>normal mileage for the final two week period. In fact, they may gain
>something because microscopic muscle tears can totally heal.

    The Sept. issue of RW discusses this at some length.  The key to
cutting back to 1/3 of normal mileage is that 25-30% of the running that is
done must be at or faster than 5K race pace.

    I might give this a try before my next important race.  I, too, have
trouble tapering because of (not well founded, it seems) fears of "losing
conditioning".
-- 
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     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: maurits@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (A. Maurits van der Veen)
Subject: Wharf to Wharf entry available
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:00:33 GMT

My roommate injured his knee and is thus unable to use his
entry-number for the Wharf to Wharf on Sunday. For those
who don't know: you need this number 1) to get your T-shirt
& other goodies, and 2) to get the bus back from the finish
to the starting area in Santa Cruz.

The cost is $16, which is exactly what he paid (actually, he
paid $16.29, for the stamp to send the entry form with :-)

If interested, please e-mail me, or after 6pm. today, call
415-497-7743.

Maurits van der Veen
maurits@xenon.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein)
Subject: Left Knee Pain: Rest or Strengthen?
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:11:00 GMT

I began running about a month ago and had worked up to 4 miles at a
fairly leisurely pace.  My left knee (actually, to the left of my
kneecap and down a little) develops a pain much like a headache
after about a mile and worsens if I keep running.  This is on an
outdoor running track.  I theorized that maybe it's because the
track requires that you run counter-clockwise and the left turns
were putting additional stress on the left knee area.  I also was
carrying a cassette player in my left hand as I ran and thought
that, too, might be causing problems.  The right knee is fine and
I have no history of injuries.

This doesn't seem like a trip to the doctor is warranted (no
swelling, no difficulty walking or biking), but I am frustrated
because I was determined to keep running and keep increasing my
distance.  My question to you experienced runners (if you can 
give advice to a 34-year-old beginner like me) is how long should
I rest the knee (i.e., not try to run)?  Should I instead of
resting it just run a mile or less in the hopes of building up
some strength in the knee, maybe twice a day?  If anyone can
simply diagnose the problem based on personal experience, that
would be a help.

We grew up in the "no pain, no gain" era, so part of me wants to
see how much pain I can tolerate while another part of me wants
to rest a week and go back to it.  Looking for some sage advice. 

Thanks.

-- 

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From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Which event for Bosnian?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:38:17 GMT

Last nite's CBS news did a short bio of a Bosnian women who just barely got
out of Sarajevo to become an Olympian.  They had some file footage of her
training by dodging debris.  Looks like her natural event would be the
Steeplechase, if that was offered for women :-(

The TV folks neglected to say which event she will compete.  Does anybody
know?  She looks to have a relaxed stride which suggests one of the longer
distances.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email gkc@udev.cdc.com
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From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: re: Olympic predictions
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:53:02 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT Labs


Hello again.

I'm glad to see I've started off some discussion. One or two points so
far on the discussion:

Paul Garlitz suggested:

>100m
>    1. Leroy Burell   9.80 (I may be crazy predicting that time)
>    2. Dennis Mitchell
>    3. Davidson Enznwa (The Nigerian, I saw him run at the NAIA nation meet
>                        late may, he's awesome and has the 3rd fastest time)

Well maybe. Hasn't Christie beaten Mitchell somewhere this year?
(Genuine question not rhetorical, I believe it was the meeting
before Oslo...?)

Also, anyone heard about Ben Johnson and Mike Powell being on the
``missing athletes'' list? Apparently, they've lost touch with
their team managers and they must report in 48hours before
they're due to compete.

Also, Mota out of the (W) Marathon!

JP

jpope@axion.bt.co.uk 	Software Technology, Requirements, G24 SSTF
UK +44 473 646651	BT Labs,Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH IP5 7RE, UK 
		
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.olympics
From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Olympic Track and Field Predictions
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:56:44 GMT

In <l7i0aqINNbe@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> pcannon@spotlight.Corp.Sun.COM (Phil Cannon) writes:
>	5000m			 JT   			10K Walk
>Gold	Y. Ondieki	Gold	Raty     	Gold	Salvador  
>Silver	Bitok    	Silver	Zelezny   	Silver	Ivanova   
>Bronze  Baumann      	Bronze	Backley  	Bronze	Svensson

I think javelin will be one of the most exiting events to follow.
There are at least four (I would say 5) competitors who have
a chance to win the gold medal, ie. R\"aty, Zelezny, Backley and
Laukkanen (and I would add Kinnunen).

So look out for a replay of Seoul!  (Winning throw being the very
last throw)
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Threadmill v`s Running	
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:57:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Motor-driven treadmills allow you to become very fit, but they do
not adequately exercise the hamstring muscles. This is because the
motor moves the ground under you, which is otherwise the job of the
hamstring muscles on natural pavement.

As a result, people who exercise on treadmills all winter are at
increased risk of hamstring injury in the spring when they resume
running outdoors.
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From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness,sci.med
Subject: Re: How To Identify Lactic Acid Buildup?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:36:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>> Could someone who is familiar with the subject please tell me what sorts
>> of symptoms lactic acid buildup causes on the day *after* a long
>> workout, and are there any ways to speed recovery?
>> 
Pick up a copy of either July or August "Triathlete" magazine and there
you will find an article to fit your needs.

Good Luck! Hope this helps.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: duane@anasazi.com (Duane Morse)
Subject: America's Finest City Half Marathon (San Diego) query
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 19:45:08 GMT

The AFC (San Diego) Half Marathon in August sounds like a very
scenic run: from Cabrillo National Monument, along the Bay, into
town, and ending in Balboa Park.  Is it really that scenic?  What
about hills?
-- 

Duane Morse	e-mail: duane@anasazi.com
(602) 861-7609
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running Down Hills
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:15:49 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.

Pomona Anupol Valero <pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I was wondering if anyone would be so kind to give me some tips on running
>down very steep hills.  I don't intentionally run _down_ hills, my initial
>goal was to run UP them.  Then I realized that I have to go back down them
>at some point.  :/
>
>Anyway, what I see as my biggest problem is fear of tripping and falling, take
>a step in the wrong place and kill and ankle.

This is a common problem, judging by what I saw in the Grandfather Mountain
Marathon a few weeks ago.  The course is very hilly, and adds about 30
minutes to a flat course for most people.  Although I averaged about 8:00/mi,
I ran 6:00/mi on the downhills, faster than my 5K race pace, with no
increase in effort.  I saw only one other runner do this.  He happened to
be a trail runner, having done some 100 milers.

Grandfather Mountain is twice as steep as anything I have to train on in
Florida, and rises 1000 feet from start to finish.  Yet I ran it in 3:32, 
only 2 minutes off my PR, which was on an absolutely flat course in cooler
weather.  Here is how I trained:

1.  Lift weights.  Use the heaviest weights you can for 6-10 reps.  Exercise
all the muscles of your body, whether or not you use them in running.
Running downhill stresses the knees and back, so it is especially important
to work the hamstrings, calves, hip abductors and adductors, glutes, abs,
back, and shoulders.

2.  Run barefoot on grass.  It is nearly impossible to twist your ankle
while barefoot.  This will improve coordination and confidence.
(This also strengthened my calves, which I needed for the uphills).

3.  Run trails.  This will strengthen your ankles and improve your
coordination on irregular surfaces.

4.  Run intervals or fartlek.  These should be at least as fast as the 
pace you want to race at.  To train for downhills, they should be very 
short and fast.

5.  Last but not least, run downhill.  Do just enough to learn the
technique, and no more.

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer)
Subject: Re: Sestiere (Italy) Meet
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:16:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.201448.13511@cs.ucla.edu>, page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
(Thomas Page) wrote:
> All were wind aided.  Powell had 4.4 m/s, more than twice allowable wind.
> Even more amazing was Drechsler's 25-0 1/2 which was also wind aided.
> Also, the meet was at 6,600 ft elevation; helps the sprinters and jumpers.
> 
If I read the graphics on my TV screen correctly during the news, the wind
for Drechler was only 2.10 m/s very close to the allowable 2.0.

Larry
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running Down Hills
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:23:43 GMT
Organization: The Wilberforce Inflatable Piperack Company Limited

pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pomona Anupol Valero) wrote:
(  I was wondering if anyone would be so kind to give me some tips on running
 ) down very steep hills.  I don't intentionally run _down_ hills, my initial
(  goal was to run UP them.  Then I realized that I have to go back down them
 ) at some point.  :/

If your problem is with fell-running, get your fun running up the hills,
and then give up and walk back down; or practice rolling out of a fall.      g
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.olympics
From: reider@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider)
Subject: Re: Olympic Track and Field Predictions
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:08:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.144535.6626@midway.uchicago.edu> mc21@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Am I alone in strongly embracing that outside chance of a medal for 
>Spence in the marathon? 

  I think Spence will run his usual solid, tactical race, but I think
too much is being made of the heat and a hill.  There will be a big lead
pack out fast, and some of them will drop back and get picked off by
Spence, but not enough for a medal.  

  Of course I would have bet the house on him not medaling in Tokyo, so
what do I know.

	Marc Reider
	reider@math.ucla.edu
From: jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: TV sched for women's Oly marathon?
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:39:58 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

In article <1992Jul30.215638.6534@hal.com> greg@hal.com (Greg Hilton) writes:
>jayers@hamline.edu (Judi Ayers) writes:
>: I believe NBC will show *parts* of the marathon starting at 11:00 central
>: time on Saturday, Aug 1.  No doubt it will be broken up.  I can't imagine
>: they would *even* think about covering more than 70 minutes of the race.
>: Actually I was surprised there was going to be that much coverage.  I'm
>: also amazed that they are showing 2:30 of the men's marathon.  The
>: women's marathon won't be on the triple cast, so its just as well you
>: didn't waste your money.
>
>My cable service shows that the women's marathon *will* be on the red
>channel Saturday morning.
>
>_/_/_/_/_/  Greg Hilton     _/_/_/_/_/  HaL Computer Systems          _/_/_/_/_/
>_/_/_/_/_/  greg@hal.com    _/_/_/_/_/  8900 Business Park Dr. #300   _/_/_/_/_/
>_/_/_/_/_/  (512)-794-2855  _/_/_/_/_/  Austin, TX  78759             _/_/_/_/_/

This Triplecast stuff is getting beyond the point of being stupid.  First
I only assumed that they would carry the women's marathon.  Then I read
on the net that it wouldn't be covered, so last week I called the 1-800-OLYMPIC
number.  After finally getting through to a *live* person I asked if
it would be covered and the woman said no.  The reasoning:  Some of the
T&F finals were on and they felt that they were more important.  Arghhh.

After reading the above response I decided to call again this morning (7/31).
She said that yes it would be covered but at the same time they would be
covering the T&F finals.  I asked how much coverage and she put me on hold
to ask.  When she came back she said T&F would last from 11:30 a.m. to
5p.m. and so a bulk of the marathon should be shown.  Would these people
please get their act together.  Now I need to find someone with cable so 
I can buy a days worth of coverage.  The only good thing out of this is that
I should get a reduced rate.

Judi Ayers
jayers@hamline.edu
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