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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Angelou
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:33:19 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Joann Zimmerman writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		William Sapphire, of the New York Times, remarked that 
		this conjured up for him an image that he was not 
		certain Angelou had intended. 

		I imagine that Sapphire, the Old Fossil, was thinking 
		of coprolites.

	Are you suggesting that Safire is of (un)American Blue Blood?

In fact, WS' wit has some of the semi-precious quality that I have associated
with the Garnetts pere et fils.

						RABworm


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: Ancient History Novels
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:31:22 GMT


There's the old standby "Quo Vadis". I think it won the
author, Henryk Sienkiewicz, the Nobel Prize, although
I'm not sure. This is a great novel, but not H.S.'s
finest work. Parts of it are much too syrupy. Then, 
when the persecution of the Christians begins, things 
get nauseatingly violent. At his best ("The Knights of 
the Cross", "Trilogy", 14th and 17th centuries 
respectively) Sienkiewicz beats Dumas and all the 
rest hollow. Best read in Polish, natch.

I recommend Mika Waltari's historical novels of ancient
times, especially the masterful "The Egyptian".

Stefan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: hanif
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:30:17 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
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In article <1jrumcINNqrf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll) writes:
>
>In a previous article, yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen) says:
>
>>Bildigim kadariyla "hanif" cahiliye devrinde Hz. Ibrahim (as)'a
>>tabii olup, putlari reddedenlere deniyor.
>>
>
>It is EXTREMELY bad form to print a message in Arabic and not translate 
>for the rest of us.
>

The posting is in Turkish, which is not even in the same language family
as Arabic.  It was posted in soc.culture.turkish, where Turkish is
quite a common posting language. 

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.jewish
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:16:21 GMT

verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>> My point , obvious to any intellegent person, is that there is no reason
>>to argue about horrors of War Communism with someone who doesn't believe
>>that political terror "necessarily abrogates human RIGHTS".

>	I guess I am not an intellegint person :(
>	There are rights which any goverment abrogates
>	and there are rights which nobody could deprive
>	you of. 

 I have no idea what this Delphic pronouncement means, but if Verbitsky also
believes that "political terror does not necessarily abrogate human rights,
then I am beginning to understand why so many people have put ALL of Harvard
into the kill file.

Greg K.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:25983 talk.politics.soviet:10647
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:28:43 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1993Jan16.012254.19411@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
> In article <kosinov.727131357@ceg.uiuc.edu> 
> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
# # In fact, Nikolai Krylenko, one of the key executors of War Communism (as the 
# #Commissar of Interior) stated bluntly that killing the innocent was essential,
# #since people aren't scared enough when only the guilty are killed.
# 
# Essentially the same principle underlies the public support for
# capital punishment in the US.  What exactly are you trying to prove,
# and why is it relevant to my point?

Huh?  I've never met a person who supported execution of the innocent
(except, of course, in rec.arts.books, where intellectuals hang out
and justify murder of 1 1/2 year olds by Communists).  I am not 
comfortable with capital punishment, but I know better than to make 
the claim that Americans support execution of the innocent.

# #Greg K.
# 
# mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Martin Gardner
Keywords: Gardner
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:14:27 GMT

In <1993Jan27.154505.25395@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
>He wrote the classic, _ Fads and Fallacies In the Name of Science_ 
>in the 50's which is an excellent account of numerous fads and
>other malarky that is propagated in the name of science. It is
>amazing to note that if you go over to alt.health.alternative you
>will still see people advocating the same things. He mainly
>issues collections of articles theses in book form. Examples
>are _Science: Good, Bad, and Bogus_ and _Not Necessarily the New Age_.

One might keep in mind that Martin has declared absolute knowledge
of things whereof he has never tested.

Most notable among the Fads and Fallacies was the work of Wilhelm
Reich.

I claim no "belief" in Reichian psychology or other Reichian therapies,
but I do think that the establishment simply saying "that's not possible"
and then burning his books smacks of "we know the Truth already by divine
enlightenment, and you must be punished as a heretic", which certainly
isn't science.

It's quite a bit like the Royal Acadamy of Science in the 1700's (or so?)
declaring that there were no such things as meteors or meteorites, despite
evidence to the contrary.

Somehow I think that had the members of CSISCOP (inclding Mr. Gardner)
been organized in the early 1900's, Einstein and Schroedinger may well
have had a hard time making their points.

One other caveat:  I enjoy Mr. Gardner's mathematical puzzles, and
I harbor him no ill will.  Enjoyment of these things does not mitigate
his intolerance and downright anti-scientific attitude as demonstrated
in _Fads and Fallacies..._.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
    AHA!  I'll bounce off that broad, flat surface and be in a lot of pain!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.president.clinton
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: Forcing the Spring 
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:04:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.051147.25182@news.columbia.edu> jsl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (J. Shawn Landres) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.190122.6751@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>>Clinton talked about "forcing the spring" twice in his inauguration
>>speech. I thought it was a very pretty phrase, and evocative
>>of What Americans Do, or try to do, for good or evil. Two questions:
>>
>>2. Is it a quote, or did our own new president make it up himself?
>
>I, too, liked the phrase. It is what a dictionary might call an "archaic"
>use of the world, most commonly referring to the practice of forcing flowers
>to bloom early (in mid-winter, etc.) with light stimuli and other techniques.
>
>Thus, to "force the spring" is to make it happen -- like jumpstarting the 
>economy, but more poetic.

   This week's New Yorker has a commentary on the sources of
   some of the phrasing in Clinton's inaugural address.  "Forcing
   the spring", as were several such turns of phrase, derived
   from John Kennedy's inaugural address.  Although, as the 
   New Yorker pointed out, Clinton probably owes more to
   Chauncey Gardner than to John Kennedy.

   Wayne
From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
Summary: gloating
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:31:15 GMT
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

["The Glass Teat" and "The Other Glass Teat" being hard to find]

I picked these two up at a local used bookstore two weekends ago --
just before this discussion started.

Coincidence or conspiracy?

p.s.  They were the usual "random used book" cheap price, too.



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From: jregehr@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (John David Regehr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Signed copy of Harlan Ellison's Watching?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:02:53 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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I was in Denver over break and went into the Tattered Cover (BIG 
bookstore).  I bought a hardback copy of HE'sW and when I opened
it later, I noticed a signature in blue ink on one of the title
pages.  It looks like a signed copy, but there was nothing to 
indicate it was signed when I bought it besides the slightly
unusual fact that it was shrinkwrapped. 
Anyway, I don't remember the price, it was around $30, I think.  
Some authors are worth buying no matter what the price is.

                                           - John Regehr
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)
Subject: Re: Pigs is Pigs
Organization: SCTC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:37:08 GMT

[Various speculations about the authorship deleted.]


"Pig is is Pigs", the strange and terrible story of Mike Flannery, the
Wescote agent of the great and powerful Interurban Express Company,
was written by the undeservedly obscure American humorist Ellis Parker
Butler.  The story, along with other of Butler's works such as "The
Great American Pie Company," was reprinted by Dover, ISBN 0-486-21532-6.

Earl


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Eric Gill (Was Re: Deconstructing Angelou)
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:56:09 GMT

In article <1jnqdgINN9hi@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>The two clues were "of" not "in" the NYT and "remarked". The Tube.
>McNeill/Lehrer, I think. I don't read the NYT. It would dishonor my
>Godfather, the great typographer Eric Gill, to do so.

I did not know of the connection betwen RABworm and Eric Gill. But since
he's been brought up, let me mention that one of the books I'm proudest of
possessing is Eric Gill's AN ESSAY ON TYPOGRAPHY. I have the beautiful
Godine edition, which uses Gill's own typography.


--Mike



-- 
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mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
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EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:25985 alt.sex:42820
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Foucault, Faggotry, Fun Times to Come...
Date: 20 Jan 93 21:33:29 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <C0yH7B.7LI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
> In article <1993Jan15.184030.6017@vpnet.chi.il.us>, orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) says most sayishly:
> >In article <C0vpuG.EB3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
> >shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) shows to the world that
# #reading isn't one of his strong skills by accusing C*****n C****r
# #of being biased towards queerfolk:
# 
# Ok, if your reading skills are so superb, O great one, tell me where I
# might've found a hint that C*****n C****r was being the least bit
# sarcastic?  After some crass snobs such as yourself brought it to my
# attention, I went back and read it again.  Maybe if the poster had used
# a more sarcastic tone....?
# 
# #|    // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)

Not in the least sarcastic.  Mr. Hulick can't read for content
worth a damn.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Biggest Disappointments and Surprises
Keywords: my newsreader was designed by bozos.
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:04:01 GMT

kasprj@rpi.edu:
>My biggest disappointment was _Wuthering Heights_, no contest. I'd expected 
>Great Things from that book. Instead, I found not one character to whom I 
>could relate. Their attitudes and outlooks on life were so different

I enjoyed it greatly, but I can see why you might not have.  The only
character in the book to whom the reader is really expected to relate
is the narrator, ie, our surrogate viewpoint.  The main characters
are neither sympathetic nor, in the main, admirable, but by the end
of the book, what was good in them has not only survived, but has been
strengthened and purified.  In an important sense, the book isn't
really *about* the characters, per se.  Ah well, chacon a son gout.
(That's French.  It means "every dog has the gout.")

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Book-title modesty
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:36:25 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan26.231357.17803@tinton.ccur.com>, cjh@tinton.ccur.com (Christopher J. Henrich) writes:
> In article <1k25aqINNl2b@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
>>	I was in a branch of the public
>>	library today...
>>
>>	Myself, I got ...
>>	and Tobias Smollett's xlation of _Don Quixote_.
> That's a damn good public library.
> 
>>	...  Does anyone have suggestions on books
>>	or whatever for learning foreign vocabulary???  
> 
> C. S. Lewis (in a letter to somebody) recommended reading the
> New Testament in the relevant language.  You already know the plot,
> and it is likely to be a landmark work in that language, yet not
> written in flowery ornate style.

Be sure to get a *recent* translation!  The first Spanish NT I ever
looked at had "empero" instead of "pero" & expressions like "He aqui!"
and what not.
> 
> Regards,
> Chris Henrich

--Ken
-- 
miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: heidi@wales.net.com (Heidi Wolf)
Subject: Re: Computer writes a book?
Organization: N.E.T., Redwood City, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:14:18 GMT

In article <25JAN199314110698@rigel.tamu.edu> spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) 
writes:
>There's at least one book authored by a computer I can think of--a thinnish
>volume that came out six or eight years back called _The Policeman's Beard
>is Half Constructed_ and, while most of it was on the ragged edge of
>comprehensibility I'd rate it far above any of J.S.'s efforts.  Because
>although it contained a good deal of repetition due to a conspicuously
>small vocabulary, it did deliver occasional jems like, `A black pig is
>like a tormented bat,' explained in tortuous logic, and the wild
>`inconsistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds,' which leads one to
>wonder what trash the programmers had been feeding their machine.


Ralph Waldo Emerson, apparently; although those poor tormented bats have
clearly had a somewhat discombobulating effect on his train of thought.

ObBookQuotes:  Bartlett's has several Emerson quotations about books:


	Never read any book that is not a year old.          ("In Praise of Books")

	Classics which at home are drowsily read have a strange 
	charm in a country inn, or in the transom of a merchant brig.  
                                                             ("English Traits") 

	I should as soon think of swimming across Charles River, 
	when I wish to go to Boston, as of reading all my books
	in originals, when I have them rendered for me in my
	mother tongue.                                       ("In Praise of Books")

	Nature and Books belong to the eyes that see them.   ("Experience")


Heidi Wolf

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:26069 alt.president.clinton:1726
From: csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Inauguration ceremony
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:51:06 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: ironwood.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Jan22.165621.29469@ecrc.de> sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad) writes:

>At one stage the band played the tune that Monty Python adopted as
>the theme music (An indication of things to come in the Clinton era?).
>Will someone kindly enlighten me by telling me the name of this tune, 
>who composed it, etc?   [Where are those Cliff Notes on Python (Monty)?]

The Liberty Bell March by John Phillip Sousa

-----
"The main flaw of Creation Theory is that it depends too much on conjecture
and miracles, and the main flaw of Evolution Theory is that it depends too
much on conjecture and miracles."
Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: del_col@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: English tolerance of heresy
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:41:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ab.1993Jan26.104103.825
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

In a previous posting I said that it was still possible to be prosecuted for
heresy by word in the UK.  I was mistaken.  In the UK a person may be 
prosecuted for blasphemy, not heresy.  I apologize for the error; I had not
meant to so impugn the liberality of British laws governing freedom of
expression.

J. Del Col
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: akiy@siva.cs.titech.ac.jp (Akiyama Jun)
Subject: Re: Paradise Lost
Reply-To: akiy@cs.titech.ac.jp
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Dept. of Computer Science, Japan
	<1993Jan26.203746.16247@netcom.com>
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:33:17 GMT

(Dani Zweig) writes:
> My personal opinion is that you should read it twice.  First read it
> fairly quickly, just for the 'story', as though it were a novel.

I'll try rading it twice, if I have time and the patience to do so
with so many other books waiting to be read, threatening to fall onto
my sleeping head from the shelves above.  

>								  Then
> I'd suggest reading Empson's "Milton's God" (your library can get it
> for you), which is *not* an annotation of PL, but a collection of
> excellent and thought-provoking essays about some of the questions
> raised by the book. 

Sounds like an interesting book, but I'm not too sure if the library
at Tokyo Institute of Technology would be willing to search for a book
on Milton.  I'll keep a note of it and try to find it in the few
bookstores around here.  

>			 With those two under your belt, reread the book
> more carefully, and you'll get a lot out of it.

Thanks for your advice.  

	Jun
--
           akiy@cs.titech.ac.jp|Amiga/Mac/IBM/NeXT/NEC (ugh)/Unix-box User   
UCLA undergrad, studying abroad|"False ideas may be refuted indeed by argument,
  Tokyo Institute of Technology| but by true ideas alone are they expelled."
    Natural Language Processing| ---John Henry Newman, _Apologia Pro Vita Sua_
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:25980 alt.sex:42819
From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Forcing the Spring
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:01:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Jan25.190122.6751
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

Clinton talked about "forcing the spring" twice in his inauguration
speech. I thought it was a very pretty phrase, and evocative
of What Americans Do, or try to do, for good or evil. Two questions:

1. Am I the only one who found the phrase pretty and evocative?

2. Is it a quote, or did our own new president make it up himself?

Beginning to feel more hope(ark.)ful,

Kate





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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Buried Treasure -or- So, whaddaya use for bookmarks?
Keywords: let's hope my newsreader doesn't mess this up.
 
 Since I started riding the rails extensively at about the same time as 
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:32:34 GMT

I started expanding my library, many of my books are marked with Amtrak 
ticket stubs. I actually have a little pile of these sitting on one of 
my bookshelves. When I run out of bookmarks, I know I've been spending 
too much time in Troy.
 
 I also have a few old Kibology pamphlets and the bookmarks provided 
with the issues of the (now sadly defunct) Interactive Organism, which 
I keep around to remind me of my more slackful days. Actually Kibo's 
bookmarks turned out to be quite durable.
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