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From: merce@iguana.uucp (Jim Mercer)
Newsgroups: can.jobs,ont.jobs
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Date: 12 Apr 92 05:55:20 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Ed (the iguana) Memorial Society

In article <1992Apr10.035801.4001@robohack.UUCP> woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods) writes:
>A university is / should be a place of "higher learning."  Unfortunately
>the corporate H.R. departments often don't put a lot of stock in such
>philosophical things and would rather see gobs of practical experience
>on top of all the *paper*.

hmmm, i have gobs of experience, but my stumbling block is lack of a piece of
paper.

i have worked on many projects where the team consisted of "self-taught" people
and "papered" people, and it has been my experience that the "papered" people
spend too damn much time thinking about problems before solving them, at least
in the corporate environment.  corporate canada wants results, not a nifty
new efficient way of doing it.  why do you think large corporate shops
generally rely on batch COBOL/RPG environments?

don't get me wrong, thinking a problem through before solving it is a "good
thing (TM)", but corporate canada is not well known for "good things(TM)".

if you start working for corporate canada, prepare to toss some of your
programming ethics and principals.  the right way is not always the 
way it is going to go.  neither is the direction always going to make
sense.

>It's amazing how poorly rounded many university students are today.
>They have poor language skills, and often little theoretical knowledge.
>Maybe that's why H.R. people want to see real-world experience....

and the piece of paper.  problem is that there are alot of sweet talkers out
there who weasel there way in, build them selves into middle management, and
force themselves on otherwise unsuspecting new programmers.

i've worked on projects where the main thrust was unix multiuser, and the
project manager was a PC COBOL programmer.  the result was laughable, but
they kept pouring money into it anyways (i think they still are today,
3 years after i left the project and i think it is still in the same pilot
phase)

baahhh, i'm rambling.

time for sleep.

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   work: jim@lsuc.on.ca  home: merce@iguana.uucp  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[            "We are doing everything we can. which means nothing"            ]
[    Paul Vixie, with regards to the NIC munging DNS for gatekeeper.dec.com   ]
From: agoper@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Arne Grimstrup)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: Getting into the UNIX world
Summary: How do I ...
Keywords: Training UNIX Entry-level
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:05:47 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

I keep seeing a fair number of positions for UNIX/C/C++
programmers come up that I'm interested in, but I don't
have the background/training for.  I'm taking CS at the
U of Manitoba and have 2 years experience as a C programmer
in the MS-DOS environment.

Can any of you out in netland shed any light on how to
make the switch/get into the market?

Thanks in advance

Arne Grimstrup
agoper@ccu.umanitoba.ca
** I gotta getta .sig **
From: cclark@trentu.ca (J. Chris Clark)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: Exagerrated numbers
Keywords: jobs figures
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:56:00 GMT
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I don't know about estimates for programmers, but I do know that whoever
said there was going to be a shortage of teachers was out of their tree.
It seems everyone in Ontario is breaking their backs to get into Teacher
Education because there is supposed to be a massive retirement happening.

Why then is one board (ON's second largest) LAYING OFF 400 secondary school
teachers this coming year?

If anyone knows of a job that doesn't say "Minimum 5 years experience"
please let me know about it.

Chris C.

Graduating Class May 1992
(But going to hide at Queen's for an MSc next year...)
From: gedetil@mercury.cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux)
Newsgroups: can.usrgroup,wpg.general,local.unix.general
Subject: Manitoba Unix User Group - April 14th Meeting
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:14:10 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

This month's MUUG (formerly TUUG) meeting is to be held at the Senate Chambers,
room 245 in the new Engineering Building of the University of Manitoba, Fort
Garry Campus.

The meeting is set to start at the usual time -- 7:30 PM, on April 14, 1992.
We will begin with the usual round table discussion, followed by a brief
business meeting.

The presented topic this month is "Unix on the Mainframe -- Amdahl's UTS."
This will be presented by Jeff Patterson, of Amdahl Canada Ltd.

Abstract:
The presentation will show how Unix is moving into the mainframe world and how
this can affect organizations that have moved (or plan to move) to Open
Systems/Unix.  The presentation will cover several interelated topics:
Open Systems vs. Proprietary Systems - Today, Unix on the Mainframe,
Open Systems Challenge, Open Systems vs. Proprietary Systems - The Future.
While Amdahl realizes that most people don't think of a mainframe as a
destination for Unix applications, there are clients, environments,
applications and situations where it may be a viable alternative and we wish
to address that.

Everyone is welcome to attend, whether or not you are a member of the group.

-- 
Gilbert E. Detillieux			Internet: <gedetil@cs.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Computer Science		Phone: (204)474-8161 or 8313(messages)
University of Manitoba			Fax:   (204)269-9178
Winnipeg, MB, CANADA  R3T 2N2
Newsgroups: can.usrgroup
From: georgn@noweh.COM (Georg S. Nikodym)
Subject: Re: Future UU meeting announcements
Reply-To: georgn@noweh.COM (Georg S. Nikodym)
Organization: TM Software Associates Inc, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:34:56 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0]

Some time ago, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> # Posts UU meeting announcment on the Friday before the meeting
> # Run with following cron job:
> #   50 1 * * 5 /var/lbin/post_uu
> 
> dom=`date +%d`
> mon=`date +%b`
> year=`date +%Y`

or maybe something like:

	set -- `date '+%d %b %Y'`

so that you don't need to run date three times...


> det_file=/home/darcy/uu.details
> 
> if [ dom -lt 3 -o dom -gt 9 ]
> then exit 0
> fi
> 
> dom=`expr $dom + 5`
> 
> (
> 	echo "Newsgroups: can.usrgroup,tor.general"
> 	echo "Distribution: tor"
> 	echo "Subject: UU Meeting announcement"
> 	echo ""
> 	echo "The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm in"
> 	echo "room ???, Sidney Smith Hall (basement), 100 St. George Street"
> 	echo "On Wed, $mon $dom, $year.\n"
> 
> 	if [ -r $det_file ]
> 	then
> 		echo "Details:\n========\n"
> 		cat $det_file
> 		rm -f $det_file
> 	fi
> ) inews -h
  ^^^

Uh, I'm pretty sure that a pipe (|) would be a good idea here.

-- 
Georg S. Nikodym  -  (416) 272-5198
Noweh Software - Mississauga, Ontario, CANADA
UUCP:	{comspec, lsuc.on.ca, uunet.ca}!noweh!georgn
RFC822:	georgn@noweh.COM

Newsgroups: can.usrgroup,tor.general
From: adam@epas.utoronto.ca (Adam Iles)
Subject: Re: U-U meeting Wed. 8?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: tor
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:35:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.043425.11849@hybrid.gts.org> news@hybrid.gts.org (News Administrator) writes:
>
>Isn't there a Unix Unanimous meeting Wednesday, 8 April?
>

*I'll* be there.

South east corner of the basement of Sid Smith Hall, 100 St. George St.

>-- 
>Bruce Becker
>Usenet Administration	news@hybrid.gts.org


-- 
Adam Iles					Fractals:
EPAS Computing, University of Toronto		    The tie-dye of the 90's
adam@epas.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: can.usrgroup
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: Future UU meeting announcements
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting
Distribution: ont
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:27:19 GMT

georgn@noweh.COM (Georg S. Nikodym) writes:
>Some time ago, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
>> dom=`date +%d`
>> mon=`date +%b`
>> year=`date +%Y`
>or maybe something like:
>	set -- `date '+%d %b %Y'`
>so that you don't need to run date three times...
Good idea.  I also caught the error in the following line:
>> if [ dom -lt 3 -o dom -gt 9 ]
Which left off the '$' from the dom variables.  Anyway it now reads:
    if [ $1 -lt 3 -o $1 -gt 9 ]

>> ) inews -h
>  ^^^
>Uh, I'm pretty sure that a pipe (|) would be a good idea here.

It'll be an interesting experiment to see if it work better that way.  :-)

It figures that the two things I commented out for testing was where the
errors were.

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid)     |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting             |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082  |
Newsgroups: can.usrgroup,tor.general
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Future UU meeting announcements
>from: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting
Distribution: tor
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:47:18 GMT

We've only been talking about doing this since I've been coming to UU so
here is the cron script for announcing the UU meetings from now on.  Let
me know if you see any problem with it.  (Evan is sending me the room
number so no need for everyone else to do so.)

#! /bin/sh
# Posts UU meeting announcment on the Friday before the meeting
# Run with following cron job:
#   50 1 * * 5 /var/lbin/post_uu

dom=`date +%d`
mon=`date +%b`
year=`date +%Y`

det_file=/home/darcy/uu.details

if [ dom -lt 3 -o dom -gt 9 ]
then exit 0
fi

dom=`expr $dom + 5`

(
	echo "Newsgroups: can.usrgroup,tor.general"
	echo "Distribution: tor"
	echo "Subject: UU Meeting announcement"
	echo ""
	echo "The next meeting of Unix Unanimous will be held at 6:45 pm in"
	echo "room ???, Sidney Smith Hall (basement), 100 St. George Street"
	echo "On Wed, $mon $dom, $year.\n"

	if [ -r $det_file ]
	then
		echo "Details:\n========\n"
		cat $det_file
		rm -f $det_file
	fi
) inews -h
-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid)     |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting             |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082  |
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From: goldsman@cc.gatech.edu (Michael G. Goldsman)
Newsgroups: git.general,atl.general,git.cc.general,ga.general,rec.music.misc
Subject: Spaceba is Playing at Milo's this Saturday
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:05:41 GMT
Reply-To: goldsman@cc.gatech.edu
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, College of Computing

***********************************************************************
    
Spaceba is playing this Saturday night (the 11'th) at Milo's. 
(Factoid: Spaceba is pronounced: "spa SEE baa")
We are scheduled to go on at about 10 pm.

Adam Remsem, Mike Goldsman, Chase Hacker, Webb Roberts and 
Dave Rosenbaum,  (AKA Spaceba) are looking forward to having a lot of
people turn out. We are an all original band who have been 
playing together for about five months, and yes, this is our first gig.
There are three bands playing Saturday night and we are on 
second. 
------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is a rough map of the area near Milo's

(*) Milo's is located on Johnson Ferry Rd. Between Ashford-Dunwoody Rd.
    and Peachtree Industrial Blvd.


                |
                |GA 400
                |
                |
                |              I-285     Exit 24
-----------X------------------------------X--------
           |           |                 /                      
           |           |Ashford-        /                    
    Johnson\           |Dunwoody       /Peachtree  
       Ferry\          |Road          /Industrial       
         Road\         |             /Blvd.          /          
              \        |            /               /         
               \       |           /               /          
                \      |          /               /            
                  \    |         /               /               
                    \  |        /               /                 
                      \|       /______________ X Exit 34
      * -- Milo's      |\ *   /    Chamblee   /
                       |  \  /   Tucker Rd.  /                
                       |   /                / I-85
                       |  /                /
                       | /                / 
                       |/                /
                       /                /
                      /                /
                     /                /
                    /                /
                   /                /  


***********************************************************************
Hope to see you there!!


-Mike

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36004 Ga Tech Station    _ \<,_        _.>/ _   _.>/ _   _.>/ _   _.>/ _   
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From: perry@bluemtn.atl.ga.us (Perry Minyard)
Newsgroups: atl.jobs
Subject: Foxpro Programmers
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:59:43 GMT
Organization: blue mountain software

blue mountain software is looking for Advanced level Foxpro 2.0 consultants
to start immediately on a 4-8 week project.  

Please contact Perry Minyard at 393-1100.
From: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu (Kenneth Moorman)
Newsgroups: atl.jobs
Subject: Job seeked
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: kennethm@cc.gatech.edu
Distribution: ga
Organization: College of Computing

What we have here is an intelligent female who
has recently graduated from one of the top liberal 
arts colleges (for its size) in the country.  She
carried away from the institution a BA in 
history and education (secondary).  

She has done historical research and worked in a state archive  
(the state being Kentucky).  Eventually, she plans to 
get a PhD in history.

BUT, for the moment she is tied to Atlanta (thanx to me :).  
As a result, she is in need of a job.  She is currently
working as a general office worker/receptionist/secretary 
(which she's had much experience at).  While she likes
this job, she'd prefer to move on 
to one of more historical connections.

So, all you people in NetLand---this is the quest.  Ask 
yourselves, your SO's, you spouses, your friends adn
family, and anyone else (people on the street) if
they know of job opportunities in the 
greater Metro Atlanta area in the field of 
history.  

This includes:
	historical societies
	museums  
	archives
	           
 Also, with her research skills, she'd be great as an 
assistant in some sort of research position in industry.
Finally, to maximize on her educational skills, a
job as a teacher (private or public secondary schools) would
be wonderful, especially is said job was in 
(you guess it) history.

And, let's not forget her general office skills.  
She's willing to consider jobs in this field, especially 
if her future looks good in one.

On this end of her background, she has experience with:
	multi-line switchboards
	WordPerfect 5.0 and 5.1
	Lotus 1-2-3
	dBase III and IV
	general filing
	general records keeping
	good telephone manners and voice
	responsible
	works well with people, small children, and pets!
	non-smoking
	has her own transportation
	Extensive experience with personal/business computers
		MS-DOS 3.0 thru 5.0
		Some Windows experience
		Lots of Amiga experience (mouse, window, etc.)

We all know times are tough, money is tight, and the 
economy is really in a weird state.   Just 
please consider her based on these
qualifications.   Extensive references and a resume are
available upon request.  Just E-Mail me with the 
details and I'll see she gets them.  

If nothing else, she (BTW she does have a name --- it's
Carla Smith) had the nerve to get me to post this
for her.  If that's not dedication, what is?

 

			- Kenneth Moorman (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu)


			- Kenneth Moorman (kennethm@cc.gatech.edu)
From: auug@dscatl.UUCP (Atlanta UNIX Users Group)
Newsgroups: atl.jobs
Subject: "C", DOS, Real-time Firmware, Atlanta GA (Recruiter)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:45:05 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Atlanta UNIX Users Group,  Atlanta  GA

[ Supplied to the Atlanta UNIX Users Group (AUUG) ]

Have an opening for a "C", DOS, and real-time firmware person.
Knowledge of OS/2 would be a "plus".

Contact:
 Rochelle Yow
 CNR, 7000 Central Parkway, Suite 1010, Atlanta, GA  30328
 (404) 391-9009
 (404) 391-9624 (FAX for resumes)

[ P.S. - AUUG is posting this as a service to the computer community.  
  The recruiter does not have e-mail capability, 
  so e-mail responses will not be forwarded.]
From: todd@toolz.uucp (Todd Merriman)
Newsgroups: atl.jobs
Subject: Atlanta - X-Windows/RDB/DEC/VAX
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:00:54 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Software Toolz, Inc.


Client is looking for a full-time X-Windows developer with RDB
experience under VAX/VMS.

Contact:

Steve Litras
The Litras Group
404-998-6777

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* Todd Merriman - Software Toolz, Inc. +1 404 889 8264  * Maintainer of the *
* 8030 Pooles Mill Dr., Ball Ground, GA 30107-9610      * Software          *
* UUCP: ...!emory!slammer!toolz!todd                    * Entrepreneur's    *
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A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance.
Newsgroups: soc.couples
From: nal@ais.org (Nancy Leinonen)
Subject: Re:    The many postings on sanctity
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:44:55 GMT

Speaking as  someone who recently got married, I  have similar feelings to the person who said "... why take it that far" when questioning why some people
stop at "luring" someone just because they're married.

OK.  At this point in time, everyone is thinking:  This woman thinks it's ok for someone to fool around.  NOT!!!!!  What I'm saying is that once two people 
have announced that they are committed to one another, it's time to respect that.

I don't know if I would have ever pursued someone who was seriously dating someone else.. I don't think so, because I have an innate "hands off" policy.  
However, even though I never did this, either, I can certainly understand making "advances" to someone who is casually dating others.  OK, so I'm old-fashioned.  I also know that I have remained true to my promises.

Why should you not play games with people who are committed?
Well, aside from your own self-respect, think ofit in two different ways:

a)  They are having difficulties fr one reason or another.  You get what you 
want, but only until the difficulties are finished.  What have you left?  Nothing.

b)  The person you want comes willingly to you.  Wonderful.  But he/she was committed the other person, right?  So he/she goes to anyone who calls... what a treat.

I have been involved in a situation where the person who I was commitedt was not being honest with me or the other people he was seeing.  If I had known, I 
would not have continued the relationship, because the other women saw me
as a bitch, who "stole" their man.  I would (if not married) strongly look
twice at anyone who came away willingly from their committment... (only, 
in that case, I *was* the committment.  The oter women knew about me, but I didn't really know about them... just thought they were chasing him).

Nope.. I respect myself too much to stay with someone who is that um... shall
we call it fickle?

Think about it.
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Female friends
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:12:32 GMT
Organization: NCAR/UCAR

In article <31419@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
 > In article <Apr.5.12.58.41.1992.21497@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan) writes:
 > +jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
 > +
 > +>Of course, who would want to spoil a friendship which is based on
 > +>equality and independence, with a sign of ownership.
 > +
 > +Where's the sign of ownership?
 > 
 > Sex.

Oh, that's interesting.  Which one is the owner and which the ownee?


-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DOD#009 | Hello, I am a rocket scientist, are there any
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | more cajun-flavored pork rinds?
      \_______________________|______________________________________________
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 13:57:15 IST
From: <M04B02@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Some help, please.

   Ed,

       I am sorry to tell you that from what you wrote I got the impression
that there is no future for the both of you as a couple. Too much tesion, too
many breaking ups. Life is before you, learn from the experience, break it up.

                      Ethan.
From: kevinc@adp.uucp (Kevin Cherek)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: How to deal with jealousy...
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:34:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin ADP

Hi,

Lets say you've been dating someone for a few weeks.  Things
are going pretty good, you enjoy each other's company, etc.
Then s/he ('she' in my case) starts showing signs of extreme
jealousy. For example, she suspects me of engaging in other
relationships behind her back. 

She realizes that she has no evidence for this and acknowledges
that she is a very jealous person.  I don't want to play therapist.

Any thoughts????

Thanks,
       - kev -
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:

}Maybe I'm missing something about contemporary dating, or else there's
}something implied by the term "relationship" that I don't know about.
}I don't understand the notion that a person can only "have a 
}relationship" with one partner at a time.  As far as I can tell,
}these people aren't necessarily married to each other, so why is
}it a de facto law that they can only date one person at a time?

"Relationship" is one of those slippery words that has different meanings
to different people and in different contexts.  For myself, when I say
that two people are "in a relationship" or "have a relationship", what
is in my mind is that they are romantic and committed to each other
exclusively.  Other people clearly use the term to mean casually dating
on a non-exclusive basis.  But all of my responses on this thread have
been predicated on the assumption that the person being wooed is in a
committed, exclusive, romantic, (probably sexual, although that is certainly
not required) relationship with someone else.

--James Preston
From: bzb47596@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Phaedrus)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Female friends (and How My Life Parallels Star Trek Films)
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:30:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.103035.3831
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


I am rather astounded that you've never been LJBF-ed, I seem
to get it once every couple of months.

I am also interested that you say you let the woman make all
the first moves, I find that when I do this, they tend to
loose interest.

Oh well, anyone reading _I_Worship_the_Very_Dirt_she_Treats_
me_Like_? EXCELLENT book!


-- 
Phaedrus - Master of the Tao of Pooh             internet: phaedrus@uiuc.edu 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
     "The intelligent man finds almost everything ridiculous,
      the sensible man hardly anything."   --Goethe