HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: ksh weirdness
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:18:35 GMT

dswartz@redondo.sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:


>I just finished tracking down a weird "feature" in ksh.  Basically, if
>you cd to a directory with one or more symlinks as components, the pwd
>command in ksh reports the current directory based on what you typed,
>not where you actually are.  Example:

>in /usr, local is a symlink to /users/local

>so when I type "cd /usr/local/src", followed by "pwd", I get told
>/usr/local/src, not /users/local/src.  Note that csh and sh do the
>expected thing (well, expected by me anyway.)

This is due to the way 'pwd' is implemented... it's actually "print -r - $PWD"

For fun try:

	$ cd /usr/local/src
	$ cd ..
	$ cd ..

You get /usr not /users.

Some people, myself included, would suggest that "ksh" is the more correct
of "sh" and "csh" ;)
-- 
==============================================================================
#include <std/disclaimer.h>

                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4
          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

           "The great scallop... this tatty, scrofulous old rapist,
               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
From: root@gpb-mac.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Color for Login Screen
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:34:48 GMT
Organization: Motorola
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mohrga@conebeam.crd.ge.com (Greg Mohr) writes:
: Can color be controlled or even simply turned on for the Login screen?
: Particularly, this is for A/UX 3.0 on a Quadra 700.  I added a Monitors
: control panel to the Login System folder, but to no avail.  I've played
: with using Moire 3.22 as a ScreenSaver (as suggested in the FAQ), but
: it's somewhat unappealing in B&W.
: 
: I admit to a less than thorough understanding of the console login process,
: especially since I can't find a man page for macgetty.  Anyone care to
: enlighten me?
: 
: Greg Mohr  (mohrga@crd.ge.com)

Check the FAQ.  I think this one is in there (I don't have a current copy in
front of me).  Basicly you have to use ResEdit on the finder to add color.  As
always when using ResEdit Make a copy first!

--
Greg Berryman       gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com
Motorola Inc.       Austin Texas
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: kturner@moose.uvm.edu (Kevin Turner)
Subject: AUX Puppy in ethernet trouble
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:23:40 GMT

We just got a brand new, straight from the cd-rom aux 3.0 (on an FX).
How do we get set up for the internet?  We unfortunately got no
manuals (it's a demo machine).  We have some unix configuration
experience (a decstation 5000), but can't seem to figure out how
to set this guy up.

Any help would be great!

Kevin
From: mohrga@conebeam.crd.ge.com (Greg Mohr)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Color for Login Screen
Keywords: color,login,screensaver
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:06:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: crd.1992Jul28.170616.24762
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

Can color be controlled or even simply turned on for the Login screen?
Particularly, this is for A/UX 3.0 on a Quadra 700.  I added a Monitors
control panel to the Login System folder, but to no avail.  I've played
with using Moire 3.22 as a ScreenSaver (as suggested in the FAQ), but
it's somewhat unappealing in B&W.

I admit to a less than thorough understanding of the console login process,
especially since I can't find a man page for macgetty.  Anyone care to
enlighten me?

Greg Mohr  (mohrga@crd.ge.com)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge)
Subject: Re: Is AUX a mac-task?
Keywords: mac os
Reply-To: coolidge@apple.com
Organization: A/UX Enabling Technologies - OS Group, Apple Computer, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:31:14 GMT

bill@appleoz.apple.oz.au (William Logan Lee) writes:
>In article <50974@seismo.CSS.GOV> dsc@seismo.CSS.GOV (David S. Comay) writes:
>>one thing i have always wondered about ... can each user have their own
>>mac os area including a system folder, etc or is there one designated area
>>that is used by all users while running mac os under a/ux?

>Yes and Yes. [...]

>Just be warned: an account for each user uses up to 3 MB as each user has
>their own copy of System, Finder, etc. On small systems, this can lead
>to you running out of space on your disk.

System yes, Finder no. In general, things that users don't write to
aren't copied. However, you're right: System Folders take about 3.5M
plus any extensions etc. you add. It's a good idea to come up with some
mechanism for sharing extensions between users (many can be symlinked
with no ill effects). Also, you can get by without, say, multiple System
files if you need to by symlinking them together. You lose per-user
System customizations (fonts, sounds, etc), but save 2M per user.

Under no circumstances allow the same System to be in use on two
machines at once (via NFS, for instance)! Same goes for the Desktop
DB/DF files and .fs_* files. My experience has been that this is a bad
idea and leads to quick crashes.

>P.S. It is a good idea when testing your favourite INITs (Sorry, Extensions),
>to make up a bogus account ("testinits"?) with a Personal System Folder
>that you then add your INITs and Extensions to test.  This way, if you do
>manage to add an INIT that kills A/UX, you don't have to jump through
>hoops to remove it; just log into your normal account and drag it out.
>Removing a file with name containing a TM (Option-2) symbol from the
>"A/UX Startup" is a bit of a pain.

You can also use the Console Emulator mode to delete things. It's still
a pain to get rid of files with really strange names, but at least you
can use wildcards, find, etc...

--John

        Normal guys always let me down. Sickos don't bother me.
        They're committed.
                -- Catwoman, _Batman_Returns_

+++John L. Coolidge++++++++++++++++coolidge@apple.com+++++++++++++++++++++++
I speak for myself, not for Apple Computer. Copyright 1992 John L. Coolidge.
Copying allowed only if attributed, and if all copies may be further copied.
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Different % A/UX and logging on to UNIX System through modem
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:03:06 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

cyor@logos.uwaterloo.cawrites:

>I am planning to buy A/UX this week but does not know if it is necessarily.

>Question A:  What is the different among the following:

>             1) running A/UX on the Mac

Under A/UX, the Mac environment is run as a Unix process. System7 under
A/UX is _very_ similar to the "real" MacOS System7.

>             2) loggon to UNIX System from home through communication software

If you setup the modem port correctly (with a correct cable) then you can
call your A/UX box from home (is that what you mean)?

>             3) the above (Pt.2) + MacX

The interface when calling in is ASCII terminal.

>Question B:

>      If the NEC CD ROM can't read A/UX, then how can I install the programs?
>      What about installing it in a system with a Apple CD ROM and then
>      copy all the file (through Optical Disk or Floppies)?
>      Will this work?

Ack!

Better to borrow the Apple CD ROM and install on your mac and disk.

A/UX is _big_!

>Question C:

>      Does anybody knows any Erasable Optical Disk that will be 
>      competitable with A/UX?

Hmmm... Don't know about that...
-- 
==============================================================================
#include <std/disclaimer.h>

                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4
          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

           "The great scallop... this tatty, scrofulous old rapist,
               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: duffiem@wl.com (Mark Duffield)
Subject: Re: Different % A/UX and logging on to UNIX System through modem
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:53:26 GMT

In article <jim.2a75458a-l@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>cyor@logos.uwaterloo.cawrites:
>
[ Other questions deleted ]
>
>>Question C:
>
>>      Does anybody knows any Erasable Optical Disk that will be 
>>      competitable with A/UX?
>
>Hmmm... Don't know about that...

I thought that I saw a disktab entry for a HammerDrive 600S when I was looking
for an entry for my drive.  The HammerDrive 600S is a Magneto-Optical 600MB
removable.  The cartridge is 300MB per side (slightly less formatted).  We 
have one but I haven't tried to bring it up under A/UX.  I think that I saw
the entry in the file of entries on Jim Jagielski's anon ftp server.

Just because there is an disktab entry doesn't mean that it's going to work,
though.  

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Mark J. Duffield          | 
 Parke Davis Biotechnology |   Beer is a beverage, not a projectile.
 (duffiem@wl.com)          |
From: voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek)
Subject: Re: IIfx hangs while installing A/UX 3.0
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:43:40 GMT

In article <Bs0xnM.7qs@acsu.buffalo.edu>, yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes:
|> Just got A/UX 3.0 upgrade kit and about to install it in no time!
|> 
|> Perhaps I just find out a vulnerable point of installing A/UX 3.0
|> on IIfx.
|> 
|> There are three steps in installing A/UX 3.0: setting up disk with
|> HD Setup, installing A/UX Startup on MacOS partition, and
|> installing A/UX proper on the Root & Usr partition.
|> 
|> The first two steps went smoothly.  When it came to the last step, and
|> while the installing program showed "Please wait... Calculating UNIX
|> filesystem space requirement", the machine hang.  It is highly
|> reproducible.  Adjusting the arrangement of SCSI devices helps a bit
|> but it still happens in about 10% of the time.
|> 
|> Does anybody care to comment on this?  Yet another SCSI DMA "feature"
|> of IIfx?  Anybody from Apple would like to say anything so we can
|> have an insight? (hint... hint...)

I also did a custom install(no update) on a IIfx and the system
hung up.  what I
found is that the installation does not double check if you have enough
disk space for the files that you decided to install.  

If for some reason, like me, did not really pay attention when
seleting UNIX files to install you can attempt to install more
files than you have room for.  Although this may not be you exact
problem, I had to redo the whole installation again.  This time
erasing my whole disk and starting over.

Just thought I would put in a note of my oversite when installing.
Maybe save someone else a problem in the future......



DAVE

MAC and AUX......best of both worlds!!!!?

Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: moxness@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jack Moxness)
Subject: A/UX 3.0 on LC II
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:59:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

	I would like to know if it's possible/feasible/desireable? to 
install and execute A/UX 3.0 on a Mac LCII? Thanks for feedback on this
question.

Jack Moxness					moxness@acs.ucalgary.ca
Programmer/Analyst				phone: (403) 220 - 4950
Psychology Dept.				  FAX: (403) 282 - 8249
University of Calgary
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: AU/X 3.0 on PowerBook?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Jul21.111200.8819@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:05:56 GMT

Rainer> == Rainer Bugow <bugow@sunslc.imw.tu-clausthal.de> 

 Rainer> According to an article in the german MACUP magazine (issue
 Rainer> 3/92) AU/X runs on a PB 170. Limited by the currently available
 Rainer> internal HD (80 MB) you should be able to install a small AU/X

Well, hm, now that they have 120MB drives available (at least here in
the states) it'd be practical to set up a fairly reasonable portable
A/UX system.  Now if I could only afford an 8/120 PB170, A/UX, etc...
--
Christopher Davis * ckd@eff.org * System Administrator, EFF * +1 617 864 0665
   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: IIfx hangs while installing A/UX 3.0
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:33:21 GMT
Organization: UB

Just got A/UX 3.0 upgrade kit and about to install it in no time!

Perhaps I just find out a vulnerable point of installing A/UX 3.0
on IIfx.

There are three steps in installing A/UX 3.0: setting up disk with
HD Setup, installing A/UX Startup on MacOS partition, and
installing A/UX proper on the Root & Usr partition.

The first two steps went smoothly.  When it came to the last step, and
while the installing program showed "Please wait... Calculating UNIX
filesystem space requirement", the machine hang.  It is highly
reproducible.  Adjusting the arrangement of SCSI devices helps a bit
but it still happens in about 10% of the time.

Does anybody care to comment on this?  Yet another SCSI DMA "feature"
of IIfx?  Anybody from Apple would like to say anything so we can
have an insight? (hint... hint...)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: cgarnett@amhux1.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett '87)
Subject: Re: Is A/UX Standalone?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:42:53 GMT

cyor@logos.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
: Hi there!
: 
: I have the following questions:
: 
: 1)  Is A/UX self contained?  That is, does it has to be networked
:     (to a campus)? or Can I just run A/UX on the Quadra while isolated
:     from other computer system?
: 
A/UX is a standalone system, just like the Mac OS. You don't need to
have a connection, via ethernet or otherwise, to any other machine in
order to run it...in other words, if you, a Quadra, and a copy of A/UX
were on a desert island together, you'd be just fine as far as computer
needs go.

: 
: 2)  Somebody said that MacX cannot be run through telephone line.
:     It has to be connected to a network.  Is this true?
:     I assume whatever happens to MacX applies to A/UX.
: 
Well, if you're just running MacX, you're going to have to be connected
to some kind of X client. This theoretically can be done through
modem/serial lines, but it's a bad move, as it is horribly slow. 

: 
: 3)  If ones  concerns are to 
:     
:     a) do assignments at home with the X windows looks and feels
:        (HAVE DIFFERENT XTERMS windows running simultaneously)
:         -----------------------------------------------------
:              ^
:              |__  Main concern!

A/UX will let you do this. Make sure you have plenty of memory, though!

: 
: 
:     b) have no access to ethernet but can only connect to university UNIX
:        system through 9600 bps modem
:  
You COULD do this with just MacX and a modem, but you'd grow old. A
tremendous amount of data has to fly back and forth between an X client
and server, and a 9600 baud data link just isn't going to cut it.
: 

-Craig:     
Xref: sparky comp.unix.aux:2931 comp.sys.mac.system:10332
From: israel@risky.Convergent.COM (Paul Israel)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Need reliable Text Formatter
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:21:41 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Unisys Unix Systems Group, San Jose, CA


   Hi there. I'm looking for some advice on text processing software
for the Mac. I need some kind of WYSIWYG which can handle different
fonts, and can import graphics input of some sort. In fact, if you can
reccommend a good drawing editor that mates cleanly to it, that would
help as well.

   My configuration:

	MacIIci with 80MHD internal, 420M Macinstore HD external,
	Apple CDROM Plus, Apple Personal LaserWrite NT, Apple Color monitor

	AUX 3.0/MacOS System 7.0.1 (If it only runs under System 7, that's
	fine with me - I have a large MacOS partition on the internal drive.)

   Lately, I've been having trouble running software that claims to be
System 7 friendly on my Mac. Is the MacOS that comes with AUX 3.0 different
than the MacOS that one buys separately? Should it be causing freezeups
and "Unimplemented Trap" errors?

   If you suggest some software, it should ideally have been tested under
System 7.0.1, and preferably under the kind that comes with AUX3.0.

			Thanx in advance.
-- 
Paul Israel -----------------  israel@risky.convergent.com
Senior Smartypants ----------- Unisys Corporation, San Jose, California
Disclaimer: "Who, me? I wasn't even there!"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Subject: Re: Can A/UX 3.0 use SCSI-2 card? (was: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0)
Reply-To: weigert@mcs.anl.gov
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba-shi, Japan
	<5!mmv7#.stever@netcom.com> <Bs32nw.GLw@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:23:36 GMT



YK> Does anybody know if those SCSI-2 card can be used under A/UX 3.0?
YK> Those cards appear on July issue of MacUser I guess.

I have bought a PLI Quick SCSI card and was very excited
about seeing how nice it performed on both my Syquest and my
normal drives (although the article you mention seems to
argue that such cards would only make sense if you have
superfast drives). 

Unfortunately, the PLI card needs an init to be able to see
the drives connected to it. This init bombs my mac when I
try to boot A/UX (2.0.1). Since I am currently in Japan, I have not
tried to contact PLI about this problem yet, so I don't know
if this problem is of the "tough luck, not enough A/UX customers to
make fixing worthwhile"-type (as I was told when I bought my
data desk 3rd party keyboard).

If anybody knows about upgrades or fixes for the problem
with the PLI card, I would appreciate hearing about it.

Cheers, Thomas.

--
+--------------------------------+---------------------------------+
| Thomas Weigert                 |                                 |
| Machine Inference Section      |                                 |
| Electrotechnical Laboratory    |                                 |
| Umezono 1-1-4, Tukuba-shi      | weigert@{mcs.anl.gov,etl.go.jp} |
| Ibaraki 305, Japan             | +81-298-58-5918 (phone+fax)     |
+--------------------------------+---------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:16:20 GMT

dominic@onions.natcorp (Dominic Dunlop) writes:

>I have a Mac IIx and I want to make it run A/UX faster, as a possibly-
>cheaper alternative to trading it in for a Quadra 700.  Anybody around
>here had any success with accelerators and A/UX?  Last time I asked,
>the Radius Rocket disn't support A/UX.  Anybody know whether Daystar's
>PowerCache series (or any other accelerator, for that matter) does?

The Daystar series (PowerCache and PowerCard) work quite well.

The 50MHz version of the PowerCard (w/ 50MHz FPU) get's you _very_ close
to IIfx speed.

At present, no '040 accelerators work under A/UX.
-- 
==============================================================================
#include <std/disclaimer.h>

                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4
          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

                     "Squeak. Squeak, I tell you, squeak."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:24:43 GMT

halpin@xcalbr.dsg.dec.com (Steve Halpin) writes:

>I upgraded to the IIfx logic board when the Quadra first came out, and I still
>think it was the right decision.  First, A/UX for the Quadras was six months
>away, and second, because I ended up with a 32-bit clean ROMs.  I vaguely
>recalled reading that the serial port bug didnt exist in the IIfx drivers either
>(theyre different due to having peripheral processors to handle that IO.)
>The latest rumor mill says the Quadra 950 uses the same serial chips to offload
>the main CPU.  Someone with more information/perspective can comment on how
>correct/significant this is.  -Steve

The IIfx, Q700, Q900 and Q950 all used I/O Processors (iops) to offload
the CPU from basic i/o, such as serial communication and ADB support.
The IIfx has SCSI DMA capability but the Quadras don't. The Quadras, however,
have much faster throughput (~3 MB/s) than the IIfx (~1.2 MB/s) or even the
IIci (~1.8 MB/s)
-- 
==============================================================================
#include <std/disclaimer.h>

                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4
          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

           "The great scallop... this tatty, scrofulous old rapist,
               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: pcwood@romulus (Paul Wood)
Subject: Xtra Mem make a Diff ?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:49:18 GMT


I have a IIci with 20 Megs of RAM,  I cannot notice a difference
with all this memory than when i had just 8 megs.  Is ther something I
I have a IIci with 20 Megs of RAM,  I cannot notice a difference
am not doing.  I have rebuilt the kernel and used kconfig to up my
NBUF setting.   I have the new 230 MB HD internal and a Maxtor 213
External.  Any hints on how to maximize my systems performance
would be greatly appreciated.

--

                       -=( Paul Wood )=-
             -=( pcwood@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu )=-
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: 'st' news
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:37:02 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

Just to let you all know:

	1. Tony Cooper, the author of 'st', has lost his net access.
	   Therefore, it's possible that the version of 'st' available
	   may be the last... remember that it has a built-in expire
	   date.

	2. The directory that's it's available under (here on jagubox)
	   has been renamed from "tape.utilities" to "st.drivers"
-- 
==============================================================================
#include <std/disclaimer.h>

                Jim Jagielski                  NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4
          jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov             Greenbelt, MD 20771

                     "Squeak. Squeak, I tell you, squeak."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: root@jamatx.lonestar.org (John Thompson)
Subject: g++-created Symbols
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:29:17 GMT
Organization: An Asylum in Texas

In attempting to convert a large C++ program using the latest g++ under A/UX
I find, when attempting a final link, a number of undefined externals of the
form _vt$class where class is, of course, the name of a class.  What's g++
expecting?

Many of the classes have overloaded the new operator (why does g++ require
{}'s instead of ()'s in the reference?) but I don't know if this has any-
thing to do with it.

I'd appreciate some help.

Thanks.
-- 
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
/ John A. Thompson       | An Ancient Hacker | e-mail:                       \
| 2721 Knollwood Court   |                   |  root@jamatx.lonestar.org      | 
| Plano, TX 75075        | Remember the ...  |  jarthur@jamatx.lonestar.org   |