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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Wish List
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:40:23 GMT

In article <jcmorris.728067551@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>And similar comments apply to the installation of a new printer: you must
>guess which printer driver disk contains the files for the printer you
>want to install.
>I don't have the 2.1 beta; possibly (hopefully) this has changed...please?

The printer installation is vastly improved in 2.1 -- it does now
provide a full list of printer, in advance, and only prompts for those
diskettes actually needed.

Hopefully Selective Install will be redesigned to provide similar.

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From: drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek Suzuki)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Yet another Texel question
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:22:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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	The SCSI adapter I'm planning to use is an Adaptec 1540A. 
I'm told this lacks some features of the newer model.  Would it still
be usable for a CD-ROM and/or a tape drive?

Derek Suzuki
drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu

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From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: 2.1 beta
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:22:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.213344.5442@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <21JAN199308402850@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu> cvadsgpb@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu (Srikanth Viswanathan) writes:
>>I've been have random keyboard lockups in OS/2 sessions.  The keyboard
>>just dies,  but I can still press Cntrl-Esc, at which time, the keyboard
>>revives itself *sometimes*.  Anyone else having this problem?  
>
>I am not.

Nope.
Anyone else find that WPS folders are locking up often, and bringing WPS
down?  It restarts, but it is happening too often.  GA WPS seemed to be
more stable and responsive, only dying when I brought a large number of
object up at once.  I am not worried about the speed, only the dying WPS.

In other words...no response...^ESC...Folder-Productivity is not responding
to system calls....

Anyone know a fix for this?

Also, I just got a trap D for the first time in ages!

And I can't seem to get MMPM to recognize my PAS16 as a soundblaster, or
to recognize the Digital Sound device using the PAS16 driver (which is on
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu)!

If anyone has this working, could you please post config.sys.

Thanks.
Meir
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From: gb8@prism.gatech.EDU (BEEBE,GARY E)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: AutoCAD and OS/2
Keywords: autocad os2
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:31:29 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology




Hi All,

I gotta guy pinging me for info on the effective usibility of AutoCAD (ver
10 or higher) on OS/2 2.0. If anyone can tell me anything about the       
compatibility and usibility issues involved I would greatly appreciate it.


Thanz
Gary

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: TIGA???
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:16:05 GMT

In article <MfM7DyW00WBMA7Kl8A@andrew.cmu.edu> Ke-Wei Ma <km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    Does TI plan to write any TIGA drivers, for the wealth of 24-bit
>cards out there?  Will IBM, or will IBM stick to promoting XGA-2?
>    Will OS/2 ever run with 24-bit color?

Yes, you can run OS/2 in 24-bit color -- see the latest FAQ List for a
couple names of companies making adapters.  (Genoa might also have
something now, by the way.)

However, TI has been rather OS/2 hostile in the past.  I would suggest
calling them and expressing your interest in OS/2 TIGA drivers.  You
might also remind them that they are going to profit if IBM sells lots
of MWave DSP machines.  :-)  (TI and IBM are partners in MWave.)

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From: aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1b installation help/tips!?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:24:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Atlanta GA

In article <smithgr.727338004@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>, smithgr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Gregory P. Smith) writes:
> I finally finished downloading the 2.1b from hobbes (don't worrk I've got
> a 14.4k), but before I install it I would like to know what to do and not
> to do.  My system is a 486/33 16MB RAM, SpeedSTAR 24x SVGA (1MB, western
> digital), 2 IDE drives, SB Pro (IRQ5, 220h).  I currently have 2.0 GA installed
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> on a 50MB HPFS partition (the rest is FAT).  Will I be able to install
> on top of my current 2.0 setup without any problems or will I have to do a
> full backup first and reformat. 

Make sure that you have the latest IBM1SP506.ADD - the one on the beta didn't 
work for me.

simon
From: bs17@gipsy36.cs.uni-sb.de (Markus Welsch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: SyQuest SQDRIVER.SYS isn't working
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:55:19 GMT
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
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Hi, OS/2-Freaks,

I've got a serious problem with my SyQuest 88MB
removable cartridge disk drive and OS/2.

There comes a driver SQDRIVER.SYS with the SyQuest-
pack which has to be installed before using it.

This driver works fine with DOS 5.0: the SyQuest-
drive then is accessible with the letter D.
While booting my system with the OS/2-bootmanager
there appears the message: 1 SCSI DRIVE FOUND.
I'am using the Seagate ST01 SCSI host adapter for
this drive, but an IDE-controlled harddisk.
 
I heard about a driver for the SyQuest drive
especially for OS/2, which would cost about 90DM
(about 58US$). That's much money for such a driver.

I'm now interested, if there is another solution
for this problem.

Many thanks in advance.


Ciao   Markus


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From: bryan@isrc.sandia.gov (Jon R Bryan)
Subject: Missing COUNTRY.SYS
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:33:06 GMT

How many people out there have been unable to run the 2.1 beta because
COUNTRY.SYS is "missing?"  I know that I'm not the only one with this
problem since there is currently a thread on CompuServe about it.

In my case, I installed 2.1 on my second hard drive (Adaptec 1742 SCSI
controller, 2 Maxtor LXT-340S drives).  The failure occurs at boot on
the DEVICE=...COUNTRY.SYS line, where I am informed that the file can't
be found.

A common denominator seems to be using a second SCSI drive, and occurs
on systems which have the first drive on a different type of controller
as well.  Some people run into the problem earlier than I, during
installation.

Was this problem introduced with 2.1, or did it exist in 2.0 as well?
I'm sure I remember postings in a similar vein months ago. 
-- 
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Sandia National Laboratories, Intelligent System Sensors and Controls
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: munn@a.cs.okstate.edu (Thomas J. Munn)
Subject: Re: New user to OS/2:  How do I associate data objects to programs? 
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:40:26 GMT

I have recenly upgraded to os/2 2.1 beta and am having a problem getting
data files and program objects to be associated with each other.  I have
tried using the online help, but I cannot find the "associate" tab to
which it referrs:

I want to be able to associate all .doc extentions with my word processor
wpwin, also I want to associate all .tbk extentions with a toolbook program
that won't run without a toolbook specified.

HOw do we change the properties of an icon (like in windows you can use the
properties diagogue box??)

Thanx,
Thomas  

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From: ral@athens.cc.bellcore.com (Ronald A. Levenberg)
Subject: Re: OS2 and floppy drives- input frozen while drive accessed
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:46:27 GMT
Summary: *VERY* High CPU Usage During Printing
Keywords: floppy, input


I've noticed a *VERY* high CPU usage whenever I print on my IBM PS/2 Model 70.
I'm using a HP Laser Printer with Postscript cartridge connnected to LPT1.
I've got 14 MB of memory.

Under OS/2, one of the CPU meters shows CPU activity up at 40% - 50%
when the spooler is churning output to the printer.  Then, CPU usage
goes down while the printer chugs away, then the usage goes way up again
for the next chunk of data.  During the time, the mouse is quite unresponsive.

Under regular Windows 3.1, not OS/2, it's even worse.  Mouse clicks and
menu choices are ignored for even longer periods of time than with OS/2, so
much so that you can't use Windows at all until the printing stops.

On my COMPAQ 386/33L, which only has Windows 3.1, the machine is perfectly
usage during printing.

Why does this happen, and is there any way to tune the system so the
CPU is usable during the printing?
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From: edb@teal.csn.org (J. R. Sims)
Subject: Re: Where is OS/2 Beta C++set/2 2.1?
Organization: Colorado Memory Systems; Loveland, CO
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:06:30 GMT

In article <19930124143803.h198@hosp.med.umich.edu> h198@hosp.med.umich.edu  (Gene Mangum) writes:
-In Article <C1AuxD.45G@DMI.USherb.CA> "lavog00@DMI.USherb.CA (GUYLAIN LAVOIE)" says:
-> Hi all,
->        I saw that OS/2 Toolkit/2 2.1 is on hobbes, but where is
-> IBM C++set/2?  I'm asking this because a lots of peoples are
-> using it, must I have a CDROM?
- 
-  [.sig Deleted]
- 
-  As far as I know, the C++ compiler, C compiler, Workframe, etc. beta
-  versions are only available to members of the Developer's Assistance
-  Program (DAP).   If you're a programmer, I'd encourage you to apply
-  for the DAP - either through Compu$erve or by calling (800) 3IB-MOS2.
-  You can get the above mentioned plus tons more on CD for $15.

Note that as of today, the latest version of these tools are on the
11/92 PDK, which is the beta immediately preceding the 2.1 release.
There was no availability date for the 2.1 PDK.

Rob
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Some 2.1b Problems
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1993Jan26.061624.5448@mksol.dseg.ti.com> rloper@mksol.dseg.ti.com (robert l loper) writes:
>I recently installed the 2.1 beta, and have had some unusual problems lately
>(like tonight).
>Anyway...
>I tried to install some Windows 3.1 games seamlessly, and couldn't get 
>OS/2 to recognize them as Windows programs (I never could check WIN-OS/2
>settings).  Then I found I couldn't even load my WIN-OS/2 full screen
>session.  I managed to patch (create a DOS full screen session for
>WINOS2.COM), but I am wondering what happened.
>Also, I have had several lock-ups, and C-A-D wouldn't allow me to reboot;
>I had to reset.  The lockups mostly occurred when exiting processes
>(but not DOS...usually OS/2 icon views of directories)
>And lastly, has anyone used the SIO comm drivers
>with Procomm PLus for DOS and a ZOOM 14.4K FAXmodem?  I just
>installed them tonight, and while they seem to work ok, I am wondering
>if anyone else has had problems with them.

A lot of these problems sound similar to those experienced by people
who did not reformat prior to installing the 2.1 beta.  It is HIGHLY
recommended you do so.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: mmpm/2 and pc speaker
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:03:16 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1993Jan20.4881.38983@dosgate> "mike frisch" <mike.frisch@canrem.com> writes:
>     I know this is a long shot, but what about a MMPM/2 driver for a
>simple D/A convertor on the parallel port?  <GRIN>  I have this
>wonderful D/A convertor I built here, but no software to support it
>under OS/2 (none of the DOS software works).

Maybe, maybe, it could be done with the spooler disabled.  The reason
the DOS software fails is that the print spooler is buffering and
delaying all output to the printer ports.  If you disable the spooler
(I don't know if this can be done), they might work OK.

As for MMPM/2 drivers, you'd need something to suspend the spooler
(not too hard), and then directly access it's ports (harder).  I think
a device driver might be able to do this, but I don't know if two
devices (spooler and your sound driver) can be configured to use the
same port or not.
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From: h198@hosp.med.umich.edu  (Gene Mangum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: MMPM/2 and PC speaker
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993  12:22 EDT
Organization: Univ of Michigan Hospitals
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In Article <1993Jan22.143026.8054@midway.uchicago.edu> "sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)" says:
> In article <1993Jan22.061042.15213@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO) writes:
> >>In article <1993Jan17.005410.1297@yvax.byu.edu> hayesb@yvax.byu.edu writes:
> >>>I just installed the 2.1b and don't have any drivers for the PC speaker.  I
> >>>don't have any type of sound card and was wondering if sounds can be played
> >>>through the PC speaker in both MMPM/2 and a WIN-OS2 session.  Any help would be
> >>>appreciated.
> >	What about installing PC speaker driver fro Windows 3.1? I know this
> >will let you play sounds in WINOS2 (maybe!!). You can ftp the PC speaker
> >driver for Windows 3.1 from normal Windows ftp site such as wuarchive.wustl.edu
> >and monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
> 
> No go -- that will not function in Win-OS/2.  The speaker driver
> requires total control of the machine.
 
  I installed the speaker driver under Win-OS2 3.1 (which I installed on
  a Service-Pack'd system) and it did play, albeit pitifully.   I ended
  up removing it.   The sound was very scratchy, I think because when OS/2
  dispatched another task, the speaker went off.   And sometimes it would
  take a long time to play the "ta-da".

+=================================+=========================================+  
| Gene Mangum                     |  OS/2 ver 2 - Increased productivity    |
| Univ of Michigan Hospitals      |               through the use of a      |
| h198@hosp.med.umich.edu         |               "dead" operating system.  |
+=================================+=========================================+
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: WinOS2 in 2.1beta
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:11:09 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green) writes:
: I have the 2.1beta and can't get Windows programs working without running
: the WIN-full-screen session.  No WINOS2 settings exist when I create a
: program object for a Windows program.  I tried reinstalling WINOS2 support
: using selective install.  It gave me a Y E? N A R I error, and I told it to
: retry...it continued, then appeared to hang saying it was configuring.
: I double clicked on the top left, and on OK, and it closed.  Same as before,
: no Win-OS2 settings.  Any ideas on how to get this to work?
: 
: Video is ET4000, 800x600x256.
: HPFS partition
: SCSI (AHA1542) disk (also an IDE)
: 
: I believe I should be able to get seamless winos2, as well as settings.
: I installed 2.1 on a freshly formatted partition.
: 

I've noticed that if you just try to create an object for a windows program
it won't run seamless. This is a real hassle when you're trying to create a
template to run a program, since it inevitably ends up in a full screen 
session.

Alternatively, if you migrate the application, you will get proper seamless
support.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: XGA-2 Driver
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) 

> I have a PS/2 Model 77, 9577-0NA with OS/2 Preload and an NEC 4FG Monitor
> being driven by an XGA-2 video card.  My problem is that the screen flickers
> like crazy!

PN>Your problem is probably that you're running your XGA-2 in interlaced mode!

PN> #1 Get a suitable video cable with an XGA-2 plug that has *all* the
PN>    pins required (and connected) for non-interlaced mode operation.
PN> #2 If 1) doesn't help - have your monitor serviced!

Umm, no, that's not his problem.  I'm confident that he has the right
cable and that his monitor is just fine.

The problem is that the NEC 4FG reports itself to the adapter as being
an IBM 8514 monitor.  This isn't a design flaw with the 4FG or its
worthy competitors - back when they were designed, IBM's new 16-bit
monitor ID algorithm wasn't available, and the only IBM-compatible
1024x768-capable monitor IDs available were for interlaced monitors.

The solution (which someone has already posted) is to run the
appropriate configuration programs that effectively tell the video
drivers "never mind what the monitor claims it can do - it can also
handle 1024x768 non-interlaced".

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
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From: RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at (FLATSCHER Rony)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Last resort if everything else hangs ...
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:52:14 GMT
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria

In cases where one gets an error-trap screen or even Ctl-Alt-Del would not
work there might still be a way to shut down the file-system properly
before using the red-button: Press Ctl-Alt-NumLock-NumLock. You would get
a prompt to insert dump-disks and the keyboard would be read again. At this
point press Ctl-Alt-Del and the buffers should be written back to disk and
on you next boot-up no auto-Chkdsk will be executed, as the file system
was shut down cleanly. This procedure would not work on the present
2.1beta though.

---rony
From: hamilton@eng.umd.edu (Andrew W. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: comm program freaks out
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:20:55 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bree.eng.umd.edu

Why does my old version of procomm freeze when it is no longer in
the foreground or when I switch from full screen to window and
vice-versa?  The only solution in such cases seems to be to restart
the program.  PM terminal, by the way, does not exhibit these
problems.  Also, my procomm used to work fine under Windows 3.0.
Any Clues?

Thanks in advance,

Andrew

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk)
Subject: Re: 2.1 bugs, suggestions. (was Re: 2.1b bug and editorial comment on killing processes)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:35:29 GMT

djg2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (David J. Greenberger) writes:

>orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:

>>While we are talking about features to minimize mouse movement -- how about
>>putting the CLOSE option at the top of the pull-down menu invoked by the
>>top left corner of a window? 9 times out of 10, if I open the menu, that's what
>>I want to do, rather than having to hunt down the list to find it at some
>>window-dependent place in the list?

>Did you know that you can simply double-click (with the left mouse button) on
>the button on the upper left-hand corner of the window (the one you use to pull
>down the menu) to close it?  Works like a charm.

Yeah, but I like to just single click like on a mac. 

How about the menu button being changed to a close box and clicking with
the second mouse button on the title bar bringing up the menu?


					Todd Walk
					walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: grumpy@jpradley.jpr.com (Jeff Markel)
Subject: 2.1Beta problem?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:59:48 GMT
Organization: Unix in NYC

I just installed the OS/2 2.1 beta over a pre-installed 2.01 system (on a 
ValuePoint 433DX).  Everything seems more or less okay EXCEPT that now,
drop-down menus and some dialog boxes don't go away when they should.  
By that I mean that, though the boxes/menus DO close, the underlying window(s)
(including the desktop) don't repaint themselves.  This leaves junk all over
the screen obscuring stuff.  I can clean up by a "right click" on the desktop
and choosing "refresh now", but this is a pain in the butt, to say the least.

Has anyone else seen this?  More importantly, is there something I can do about
it?.

BTW, I'm running at 640x480x256 with the built-in ET4000.


                        Jeff Markel

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