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From: jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Opinions-Performance Durango MTB Shoes
Keywords: Shoes, Performance
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:12:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep6.151223.9075
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I've determined that the pain in my feet may because I've been cycling
with regular sneakers.  I'm looking at the Performance Durango MTB Shoes,
which seem to be pretty good for just $50.  They're not SPD compatible,
but I ride with clips only anyway.

Any opinions or recommendations on other MTB shoes would be greatly 
appreciated.  I don't want to spend a lot, and I want a shoe that can
be worn off the bike and still be fairly comfortable.

Thanks a lot!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Farewell _crosswords_
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:21:25 GMT

In <1992Sep9.233128.20094@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:

>The next issue of _crosswords_ will be the last one.  I'm going to
>be doing some freelance writing and I won't have time for that *and*
>publishing _crosswords_.  The next/last issue will come out sometime
>before the end of the year.

>Thanks to everyone who's helped-out along the way...

Thanks for the work you put into _crosswords_!  It has
been an interesting, inspiring, and informative newsletter
(and I'm really looking forward to your big tire writeup)!

Good luck -- hope to see your writing.
-- 
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 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
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From: fuzzy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Fuzzy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: parts prices?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:03:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

anybody got any suggestions as to who has the best parts prices for 
MTB's?  got a list of stuff to order, and i'm trying to find somewhere
that has a good selection as well as good prices...the best i've found 
is bike-pro....tho i'd like to see if there are any other places that
might be cheaper....already looked at CBO, trashbar, performance and a 
few of the smaller ones....trying to find someplace cheaper tho...

any suggestions?   
replies to me please....(keep traffic down)
thanks,

Fuzzy
--

I finally realized why astronauts didn't take dogs on the space shuttle.
Because if on the re-entry they stuck their head out the window, their
face would burn up.

fuzzy@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: MTB Bike Rental List for SF and Marin County (update)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:06:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Date: Sept 9 ,1992

MTB Bike Rental List for SF and Marin County
(Call bike shop to confirm address)

SAN FRANCISCO

Park Cyclery
MTB Brands: GT, Iguana Giant
Cost:$5.00 an hour
1865 Haight street (at Stanyan)
751-RENT
Hours: 9:30-5:30 (M-F)

Start to Finish
MTB:Bridgestone, trek, Marin
Cost:$25.00 for 24 hours
599 2nd Street at Brannan
861-4004
Hours:M,TU,W,F 11:00-7:00
      TH       11:00-8:00
      SAT      10:00-6:00
      SUN 11:00-5:00

MARIN COUNTY:

Caesars Cyclery
MTB Brands:Diamond Back, GT
Cost:$6.50/hr; $30/8 hrs; overnight add $12.50
29 San Anselmo Ave
San Anselmo
258-9920
Hours:TU-SAT 10:00-6:00
      SUN    11:00-5:00

Far-go bike Shop
MTB Brands:Diamond Back, Specialized, Nishiki
Cost:$25 a day
194 Northgate #1 Shopping Center
San Rafael
472-0253
Hours:MON-THURS 10:00-6:00
      FRI       10:00-8:00
      SAT       10:00-6:00
      SUN       12:99-5:00


Ken's Bike and Sport
MTB Brands:Mongoose
Cost:$7.00/hr; $20/day
94 Main Street (Downtown Tiburon)
validated parking Main street lot
435-1683
Hours:Everyday 9:30-6:00


Wheel Escapes
Mountain Bike Rentals and Touring
MTB Brands:Specialized
Cost:$21/day (Hard Rock); $29/day (Rock Hopper Comp);
     $39/day (Stump Jumper)
1000 Magnolia Ave
Larkspur, CA 94939
461-6903
Hours:M,W,TH,F 10:00-6:00
      SAT,SUN   9:00-6:00
     
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ehfrank@athena.mit.edu (Eliot Frank)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:25:43 GMT

In article <37ynrtq.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
|> In article <casseres-140992140158@missmolly.apple.com> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
|> >
|> >In fact, drivers have a hard time seeing pedestrians on the roadway no
|> >matter which direction they go in, because their speed is so far out of the
|> >range drivers are looking for.  That's why it's a good idea for pedstrians
|> >to walk facing traffic.

|> >On the other hand, a bike going the right direction is reasonably easy for
|> >drivers to see.  A bike going in the wrong direction is very hard to see.

The issues are different for pedestrians and bicyclists.

For a ped walking on a road without a sidewalk, you walk against traffic
so that YOU see a car coming at you and you can get off the road.  Walking
with traffic you might not realize how close a car is behind you.

For bicyclists, the issue is relative speed.  Riding against traffic is
dangerous because head on collisions are more likely to be FATAL, since
relative speed is higher (the speeds of the two add of course).  Conversely,
going with traffic the relative speed is lower and the car-overtaking-bike 
collision is less likely to be fatal.  Another factor is that the lower
relative speed may also give the car more time to react to the cyclist
if necessary.

- Eliot Frank (ehfrank@athena.mit.edu)
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <v1vnkdd.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
wrote:

[I wrote]
> >Driving on the wrong side (against traffic) is extremely dangerous and one
> >of the main causes of car/bike accidents.  It has nothing to do with the
> >energy difference due to greater closing speed; it has to do with being
> >seen by drivers.
> 
> Do you also propose that drivers are completely unaware of pedestrians?

In fact, drivers have a hard time seeing pedestrians on the roadway no
matter which direction they go in, because their speed is so far out of the
range drivers are looking for.  That's why it's a good idea for pedstrians
to walk facing traffic.

> By this reckoning we should never walk -- only ride bikes on the
> 'correct' side of the street.

On the other hand, a bike going the right direction is reasonably easy for
drivers to see.  A bike going in the wrong direction is very hard to see.

> >By the way, I don't know what you mean by "small children."  To me this
> >means kids under the age of 8 or 9, and they shouldn't be riding
> >unsupervised in the presence of dangerous traffic anyway.
> 
> How nice of you to condemn parents actions without any knoweledge
> of the situation.

Which situation is it that I don't have any knowledge of?  Small children
riding unsupervised on the street when the traffic is dangerous are at
serious risk of being killed, no matter which side they ride on.  As a
parent, I'm against it.

> >A bike doesn't have the evasive maneuverability of a pedestrian.  The most
> >important elements in safe cycling are being clearly visible, being where
> >you are expected to be, and being predictable.
> >
> It would be interesting to know what you think of as evasive
> manuveurability. This is blatant opinion on your part.

"Blatant opinion."  That's real good, Tom, coming from someone who claims
it's safer to ride facing the oncoming traffic, in spite of all the
evidence that it is much more dangerous.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:37:11 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Sep15.142250.22437@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry) writes:
>Basically I can keep going until the rear tire gets buried under about an inch
>of sand. Then I come to a dead stop and I can get started again.

If you want to have some fun this winter wait until you have a good foot of
snow and its followed by ice rain.  With some studded tires you can ride on
it.  If you don't then you just have to try on soft snow that is covered with
a hard layer.
  You can ride on the stuff but once you hit a critical speed the rear wheel
starts to break thru.  Then the front wheel will all of a sudden sink thru
the hard layer and you stop dead.  Its a blast trying to find the point at
which you can keep on riding before the front sinks in.
  Unfortunately riding in snow is quite a bit like sand.  Given one inch of
it you might as well be swiming thru molasis.
  If you get the ice rain then just make a set of studded tires and have fun.
I have never pulled out of a front wheel skid yet but you can lock the back,
bring the bike sideways and pull right out of it.  Its even better than a 
dirt bike.  Of course once you start to ride on ice you realize that you 
need at least 6 different names to describe the different types of ice you
run across.  
  - Eric
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: CalTrain Bike Permits
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:18:36 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <w-sn3aj.bob@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>I just sent in my application for a CalTrain bike permit.
>Acccording to the rules, a maximum of four bikes will be allowed
>on selected trains.  Now, just suppose........
>
>It's a nice Sunday morning, and a flock of cyclists from the 
>south and mid peninsula decide to invade Angel Island for a day
>of riding and general all-around fun.  So during the morning and
>perhaps early afternoon they take the train up to SF.
>So when it's time to come home, and 50 cyclists are waiting to 
>take the five afternoon and early evening trains home, what
>happens?  
>I *really* think there should be some guarantee that space will
>be available for the return home.
>
>Does anybody have any thoughts on this?  San Francisco to
>Sunnyvale is not a ride I want to make in the evening.

The current Bike Permit/Bikes on CalTrain plan is clearly unworkable, as your
example shows.  However, it is a start.  Specifically, the permit system is
the best opportunity we've had to demonstrate how great the demand for bike
access to CalTrain is.  CalTrain folks have frankly admitted that the number
of permits issued will be used to judge the demand.

I'll probably never take the chance of getting stranded in the City, or of
waiting for train after train at the station near my home because the maximum
number of bikes got on a few stops earlier.  But I'm certainly going to get
a permit, and urge everyone who wants to see a workable system developed to
do so.

It's free.  The phone number for requesting a permit application is:
1-800-660-4287.

Call today!
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: cyclists in Champaign-Urbana area...
Summary: would like a partner.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:22:22 GMT

I'm not sure if this is the place for such a post, but if anyone out there
would like someone to ride with or knows someone in the University of Illinois
area who would like to ride with someone, I am looking for a partner.

I'm a recreational cyclist.  I own a Raleigh Capri(not fitted originally with
any sort of distance riding-strictly recreational) that I have semi-converted
to a distance state.  I used to ride daily(as my schedule permits,anyway) until
I had an accident while out walking.(embarrassing but true).  My bandages will
come off in about a week or two. 

I used to ride around 20 to 40 miles when I went out.  Or however long It 
happened to be until I got back to my apartment.

If you fit this sort of description, or maybe you are close up or down, you 
can contact me at my email address in the sig.

I know i rambled on.  My apologies for the wasted net space.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,ott.general
From: brian@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Brian W. Gamble)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Definition of a "hybrid" bike ???
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:55:33 GMT
Reply-To: brian@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Brian W. Gamble)
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA

In article <truesdel-090992160850@cider.ics.uci.edu> truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:
>I may get flamed for this, but my (limited) experience keeps showing me
>that the most hard-core mountain bike does relatively better on the
>pavement than the best of the hybrids do in the dirt.
>
>And if it REALLY matters, get a set of Avocet inverse tread tires for long
>road rides. I built up a set of wheels just for the Avocets so I could swap
>the smooth road tires with my normal off-road tires quickly and
>efficiently.
>
>  --scott

A couple of thoughts to go with this...

First, for off-road use, make sure your tires match the worst conditions you
encounter. Walking while the rest of your group is still peddling is no fun
at all.

Given the above extreme off-road tires, one really does want the road tires if
pavement work is common. At the same time, I find that I also want a taller
set of gears for the road. Being lazy, I want a complete rear wheel, ready
to drop in, so this is not a big problem. Just more money or time to scare
up the parts :-( and some thought about the correct gear ratios. I've
been haunting the police auctions. A munged/stripped bike that contains
parts you need can be real cheap; in my case a complete front wheel, with
a City Slicker tire, tube, and quick release was $35, plus some of my time
to strip pieces and assemble it.

Given the rough roads around here, the hard-core mountain bike with some
suspension parts is a real joy compared to the road bike I used to use.
I now feel like I may retain the fillings in my teeth :-), and have lots
more fun. Nor is the dive for the ditch on meeting an idiot cager the
problem it once was!
--
 Brian W. Gamble,                             Brian.W.Gamble@Waterloo.NCR.COM
 NCR Canada Ltd.                                   Information Products Group
 E&M Waterloo                    Charter Member -- The ShoeString Racing Team
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: jjunker@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Junker)
Subject: Need Help....Ideas: Have a (hopefully) minor problem with Trek 830
Keywords: trek, pedal, problem, help
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:11:49 GMT

Hi:

I recently bought a Trek 830 mountain bike and have enjoyed it very much,
except for one minor detail.

At the top of the stroke the left pedal make 'sort of' a popping noise. At
first I dismissed it as maybe a problem with my shoes (they are not very
good) however, the other day I was riding with different shoes with the
same results.  I had it in for routine maintance a while back and they
could not seem to identify any problems.

Does anyone else have any ideas as to what I might check?  The pedal itself
seem to be firmly attached to the crank and the crank also seems to be
well attached.  The noise is only on the left (you can feel it also) and
it only happens at one point in the stroke.

Please, email any possible solutions that you might have.

Thanks,
Jon
jjunker@sdf.lonestar.org



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Leg shaves
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:17:45 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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X-Xxdate: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:19:13 GMT

In article <1884bdINNkkg@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John Fox - SunExpress IR,
jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Why shave any higher than the bottom of pair of shorts? Weight savings? :-)
>
>

Why shave at all?  I never understood why bikers do this.

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From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: CalTrain Bike Permits
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:26:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I have hope to get my permit soon.  I'm a commuter from San Jose to Palo Alto
riding 27.5 miles a day, my Wife brings me up and I ride home due to different
work hours.  However she will quit her job and I want to take the train up
with my bike and ride home.  I know how it could be, riding the light rail
in San Jose, which also has capacity for 4 bicycles.  I think Cal Train should
pull an extra car for bicycles only, maybe painting it orange so nobody gets
confused.  Small seats like the ones on the top deck on one side and no seats,
but bike rail stands on the otherside.  There should be enough room for 20-30
bicycles.  I'll send a letter and a drawing to Sam Trans, who now owns Cal Trai
n.
                                         Tom
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: zefal mini hp
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:53:36 GMT

Has anybody tried the Blackburn Pump, or the other Zefel mini pump (metal) I
just got a Trek 5200 and I need to purchase a HiPr mini pump, as full size pumps
do not work well with this frame.

Suggestions/advice please!!!!!


In article <PHILG.92Sep6175437@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep4.212439.9618@javelin.sim.es.com> rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty) writes:
>
>   In article <lau.715635079@femto>, lau@femto.cs.umn.edu (Patrick Lau)
>   writes:
>   |>I just got a mt. zefal mini double shot hp pump, and I could hardly
>   |>get
>   |>it to pump up to 70 psi.(And it claims to pump up to 100 psi in 7
>   |>strokes.
>   |>Is this true?) Did I do something wrong, or does anyone else have the
>   |>same problem with this pump? Thanks for any help.
>   |>
>   |>Patrick
>   |>
>	   They forgot to mention that the claim of 100 psi in 7 strokes only
>   works
>   if you plug the business end of the pump with a rubber stopper. I took
>   two of these
>   back to where I bought them and finaly exchanged it for a full size
>   pump. Since
>   then, I have heard that it is very important how you put them on the
>   valve stem.
>   (must seat completly)
>
>
>What do you mean by plugging up the "business end" with a rubber
>stopper?  The only thing I could figure out to do with the rubber
>stopper was plug up the valve attachment while the pump was on the
>bike.  Is this stopper functional otherwise?
>
>Philip
>
>P.S.  I only manage to get about 40 psi in my mtn bike tires after
>prodigious effort.  Go ahead, call me a girlie-man.


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robt@is.morgan.com (Rob Torop)
Subject: Book Recommendation
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:49:01 GMT

Can someone recommend a good book on the care and feeding of the
generic 12-speed bicycle?  Thanks.
--
-- Rob Torop

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From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Bat in the Brakes WAS: Re: Pigeon in the helmet
Keywords: pigeon;helmut
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:51:08 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep8.161544.25690@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> behm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BEHM CHRISTOPHER JOSEPH) writes:

>	Last month, upon arriving at my favorite MTB destination, I 
>	was suprised to find a dead bat, spread eagle, suspended between
>	my front brake pads (front tire was removed).  The bat was facing
>	forward, each wing streched over a brake pads.  I wonder what the
>	odds are on that happening again. 

     A bat's chance in hell? (what a sad way to go). Was it a campy brake?

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From: pauld@cs.washington.edu (Paul Barton-Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Opinions-Performance Durango MTB Shoes
Keywords: Shoes, Performance
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:50:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Sep8.195032.22062
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep6.151223.9075@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
>I've determined that the pain in my feet may because I've been cycling
>with regular sneakers.  I'm looking at the Performance Durango MTB Shoes,
>which seem to be pretty good for just $50.  They're not SPD compatible,
>but I ride with clips only anyway.
>
>Any opinions or recommendations on other MTB shoes would be greatly 
>appreciated.  I don't want to spend a lot, and I want a shoe that can
>be worn off the bike and still be fairly comfortable.

I thoroughly and whole-heartedly recommend a pair of Specialized Trail
Force. About $60. I've run in them, yet they feel stiffer on the pedal
to me than my old Dirt Dogs. Comfy, good sole pattern, nice entry
system - like a version of the old Rivat cross boots, but without the
studs and with a little more comfort. I wear them on and off the bike
a lot.

-- paul
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