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From: ed@maxed.amg.com (Ed Whittemore)
Subject: Re: Where to get manuals for Sys 5 R:4.2
Organization: American Micro Group, Inc. Ft. Lee, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:18:21 GMT

In article <1jn0njINNkhi@uwm.edu> peter@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Peter J Diaz de Leon) writes:
>Where can I get the full set of documentation for
>System V Release 4.2
>
>I am running Consensys Sys V R4.2
>
>-Peter
>peter@miller.cs.umw.edu
>

The full set is not available. There are 3 system administration
manuals, and 5 references for commands, the API, and device driver
interface, which can be purchased from Prentice Hall. The
Corporate Sales number is 201-592-2657 which is for multi-book
bulk purchases, but they should be able to refer you to or switch you
to the proper number.

The balance of the books are to be released in March and April.

-- 
Ed Whittemore   uunet!maxed!ed   ed@maxed.amg.com
American Micro Group, Inc.   201-944-3293
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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:29:24 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <2B62D876.3982@tct.com>, chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:

| CPU development isn't the point.  It's the rest of the computer that
| counts.  Of all computer markets, only the PC clone market has driven
| the creation of whole-motherboard chip sets, such as by OPTi and
| Chips&Technologies.  And common peripheral boards for the ISA bus are
| so cheap you can practically give them away.

  You mean the $20 IDE HD+FD+2S+P+G? Dead right, they're cheap, and for
a few $ more you can have a good UART, too. But there is not a lot to
choose between the PC and SPARC in terms of integration level (on the
new ones).

| >At least here in Europe, one can prove, that workstations based
| >on PC will be tremedously more expensive than one based on SPARC.
| 
| If that's true, perhaps the process of exporting the computers, with
| tariffs etc, throws prices off.

  Just so, there's no reason other than price fiddling to find the cost
reversed. Of course PC based UNIX is aimed at a lower level of user
training, and that means the manuals are typically better and the system
administration easier. Obviously not without exception, but in general
that not only makes the system accessible to more people, but cheaper to
admin for the big site with full time admins doing the work.

| OS/2, microkernel or no, will run on the 486 for the forseeable future.

  Not on *my* 486 it won't!
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
	A terible poker player can have a great hand,
	A obnoxious fool can have a good idea.
	Both are winners, regardless of who has them.
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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:21:28 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1993Jan21.175933.16276@compu.com>, fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:

| For once we agree. The problem with the SCO (read MS) compiler is that SCO has 
| little control over it. It least that was the story from the folks who worked 
| in that area. The long lists of 'things' just kept getting longer. GNU was the 
| answer to the problem. I'm not sure where the real fault lies here or why MS 
| can't do a better compiler. I mean the have the horses and resources.

  The 3.2.4 compiler (ODT 2.0) seems to produce pretty good code
compared to gcc. I run a Dell box at home for pleasure, and an SCO box
to do cross compiles. I have occasionally compared the five available
flavors of C (SCO cc and rcc, Dell cc, gcc-1 and gcc-2) on compute
intensive things, and find that the SCO and V.4 cc do better than gcc
(1.4 or 2.2) in many cases. Not a lot better, but some.

  I can compile with SCO, shared libraries, and execute on the Dell box,
so all executions are measured on the same system, with the same shared
libs. This is as close as I can come to equalizing conditions to look
only at the result of the compiler.

  My compiler of choice on Dell is cc, oddly.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Keyboard controller has been disabled, press F1 to continue.
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From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:48:58 GMT
Organization: Reptilian Research, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1993Jan25.121108.27523@sco.com> staceyc@sco.COM (Stacey Campbell) writes:
>and greatest cc compiler from HCR^H^H^H SCO Canada 

hmmm, when does this compiler hit production?

i used to laugh when SCO bought HCR.  our work system connects to them for uucp.

the uucp hostname changed from hcr to scocan.

i was debugging a chat script once and saw:

Welcome to Interactive Systems Corp. Unix

scocan!login:

8^)


>that runs at the same speed or faster than code compiled with gcc 2.2.2,
>and definitely faster than the code generated for SCO X11R4.  We have
>also generalized some of the text optimizations that were written for
>the X11R4 TMS340x0 support (cards that would run TIGA under DOS) so
>that they can be used by other cards with video coprocessors.
>
>As for release dates and packaging, I'm not sure, I just write the
>hardware support. ;-)
>-- 
>          Stacey Campbell - staceyc@sco.com - uunet!sco!staceyc
>
>                         "mathematically alive"


-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 416-506-0654 ]
[                      longer life through colder blood                       ]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: ed@maxed.amg.com (Ed Whittemore)
Subject: Re: No EISA support SVR4.2
Organization: American Micro Group, Inc. Ft. Lee, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:50:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.144903.13264@zooid.guild.org> David Mason <vid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>Well, 
>
>As I've mentioned previously, we are fairly happy with our Consensys SVR4.2.
>However yesterday I recieved a rude shock. While on the telephone to
>Consensys support I found out that it does not support the Adaptec 1742 EISA
>SCSI controller! Well, it does but only in standard mode. Of course I could
>have looked at the product hardware list but I had neglected to do so. I
>certainly wasn't expecting this.
>
>Additionally we were considering putting two controllers in each system since
>from comments on the net it seems that this will help performance when you are
>using multiple scsi disks. We plan to be using at least two hard disks with
>each of our two (unpurchasd as of yet) new EISA systems.
>
>So.. I'm not sure what I am specfically asking here, except HEEELLLLPPP.. :).
>We want to run a SVR4.2 system because of the file system and other
>enhancements. Should we wait for Univel, if it has EISA support? 
>
>Also, does someone out there have the email address (if available) for the
>people who make the Veritas file system. We are interested in some of the
>enhancements they sell.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>-- 
>vid@zooid.guild.org             -->> ZOOiD Public Access Usenet 416 322-7876

Well, there are other problems, too. The technology is great, but then 
so is the space shuttle's--but it's not reliable transportation. The
256 color x servers are broken, it seems EISA SCSI will have to wait
until USL releases 4.2.2 (maybe this QTR), sysadm won't enable
network printing for non v4 systems ( you can do it by hand ), there
are a couple of network problems. Unixware is in the same 4.2.1 boat.
Locus Merge isn't ready for 4.2 either, and it's not clear when it will
be.

4.2.2 is supposed to have a fixed X servers, a new device driver
interface to support EISA SCSI, dev. system fixes, etc.

You do need to look at the supported hardware, but in this case that
won't be enough. 

Not ready for prime time, in many respects, not as a stable application
platform anyway.

Veritas--408-727-1222.

PPc will be offering shortly, their HyperX 4.2 server product that 
supports many SVGA and accelerated graphics cards such as ATI's Ultra
series, new and old, the #9 GXe, etc., at a list of about $200. PPc is
at 412 231 3000. There are also cards from Actix, CSS, Diamond, ELSA,
Genoa, Mylex, Orchid, Pixelworks, STB, more.

It ALWAYS happens that people want the latest and greatest and then get
burned by the bugs and deficiencies. What's surprising is that
people are suprprised by the problems.

-- 
Ed Whittemore   uunet!maxed!ed   ed@maxed.amg.com
American Micro Group, Inc.   201-944-3293
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sysv386
From: larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:01:37 GMT

fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:

>>at 1/3 the cost of SCO.  These SVR4 products are just as reliable

>I hate to keep bringing up reality here. Where do these numbers come from all 
>the time? Who makes them up?

Buy SCO Unix unlimited users, add TCP/IP, NFS, Dos Merge, complete development,
X11R5, text processing, network support tools.  Now what is the price?  Take
that total and compare it against Dell's complete price which includes all of
the above for $1295.  So you can spend 1295 and get an OS run time (SCO), or
get everything mentioned above.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: skg2v@Virginia.EDU ("Sharad Gandhi")
Subject: Re: Where do you put the home directories!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:12:39 GMT

When I was working on PSC Cray Y/MP. I was able to come up with
a different jobfile to run jobs on CRAY without telnet'ing and
ftp'ing from your local machine. The primary requirement is
that your local machine should support remote command such as
rsh, rcp etc. If it does then do following:

1. open a .rhosts file on your local machine and add the
following line:

pscymp.psc.edu <your-user-id-on-cray>

2. open a .rhosts file in your cray account with the following
line:

<address of your local machine> <your user id on local machine>

3. Tha main body of your job file will look like this (note:
prepare your job file on your local machine, say it is a.nqs):

rcp <local-id>@<local-host>:<data-files> .
rcp <local-id>@<local-host>:<program files> .
f77 -o program.out <program.f>
program.out<input>output
rcp program.l <local-id>@<local-host>:<directory>
rcp output <local-id>@<local-host>:<directory>
/bin/rm *.*

4. to run submit job on cray:

rcp a.nqs <cra-id>@pscymp.psc.edu:<directory> 
rsh pscymp.psc.edu -l <cray-id> <job-submit-command> a.nqs

See if it works and help you in saving your time.

sharad
From: haney@maverick.llnl.gov (Scott W. Haney)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
Subject: Re: Is there a C++ compiler for the Cray?
Keywords: C++, compiler
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:55:07 GMT
Organization: Magnetic Fusion Energy - LLNL

mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C. McAfee) writes:


>Our group is thinking about porting code to a Cray supercomputer and
>I need to find out whether the Cray supports C++.  If anyone is experienced
>with this or can help, I would greatly appreciate it!

>Chris
>mcafee@cs.stanford.edu

Chris,
  I've been using C++ on the Crays for about 2 years now. The system is
based on AT&T CFront which translates the code to C. Then, SCC compiles the
code. This works out quite well for the Cray as C++ programs are able to
take advantage of SCC's optimization capabilities.  In particular, all
loops in one of our codes vectorize. CRI has apparently started officially
supporting C++ (with version 3.0 of CFront).  This is a good news-bad news
thing: the good news is that they've added some fairly useful extensions
and pragmas; the bad news is that they are now charging a hefty price for
the compiler.

   Scott
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C. McAfee)
Subject: Is there a C++ compiler for the Cray?
Keywords: C++, compiler
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:10:40 GMT


Hi everyone,

Sorry if this is a FAQ, or is unrelated to this group, it's the ONLY
cray group that I can find and I'm new to the Cray world.

Our group is thinking about porting code to a Cray supercomputer and
I need to find out whether the Cray supports C++.  If anyone is experienced
with this or can help, I would greatly appreciate it!

Chris
mcafee@cs.stanford.edu




Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C. McAfee)
Subject: Re: Apology for C++ repost
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:04:48 GMT


I would like to apologize to those people whose mail I included in
my re-post.  I forgot that I had not asked permission to do so before hand.

I got several requests to post any information I got, so I just wanted
to help those people as I had been helped.  I was wrong, and am
very embarrased about my mistake.

Sorry for the bandwidth.

Chris
Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: dsj@juniper12.cray.com (Douglas Jackson)
Subject: Re: Is there a C++ compiler for the Cray?
Originator: dsj@juniper12
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:57:11 CST


Yes, there is a C++ compiler on the Cray.  Actually
it is a C++ to C frontend and a C compiler.  The
site needs a license for both C++ and C.

There is Automatic vectorization in the C compiler.  It
is as good as FORTRAN (same optimizer).  Of course if you
are using pointers then it may not be capable of
disambiguating the pointer references.  It may
conditionally vectorize then or you can insert
directives to let the optimizer know that there
are no dependencies.

-Doug.
-- 


	-Doug
Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: jones@chpc.utexas.edu (Willaim L. Jones)
Subject: Where do you put the home directories!
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:29:43 GMT

Has anyone running a cray put the user home directories on a remote machine?

If so what problems did they encounter?

Bill Jones
Newsgroups: comp.unix.cray
From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How do I check a name?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:41:57 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <C19ACF.5E6@newsserver.technet.sg> ateh@solomon.technet.sg (SlEepInG..Zzz..ATEH) writes:
>Hello ,
>
>I have a question concerning emailing.
>
>Say I have a friend studying in cornell University and I would like to email him, so how do I actually figure out his email address?
>Cornell University's nde address is helios.tn.cornell.edu
>
>Is there actually a way to do a finger or who to tell if he/she is there?
>Thanks in advance.
>

There exists a program, which will allow you to (given the name of the person
and the name of the site .. eg University of Sussex ) find someone on the 
Internet. It can track people down anywhere I believe, and provide an Email
address. A friend of mine FTP'd this down, but then lost the file, and cannot
remember where he FTP'd it. 

If anyone knows of this program, or an FTP site, or could Mail it to me I 
would appreciate it.

=============================================================================  
     _/      _/   _/   _/  _/   _/_/_/_/   |
    _/_/  _/_/   _/   _/_/     _/          |         Michael Brown
   _/  _/  _/   _/   _/       _/_/         |
  _/      _/   _/   _/_/     _/            |   cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk
 _/      _/   _/   _/  _/   _/_/_/_/  _/   |     mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk
                                           |    csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: ryn@mh.nl (Felix Rijnierse)
Subject: Re: replacement for vi
Organization: Multihouse Automation, the Netherlands
	<EJH.93Jan18200012@khonshu.colorado.edu>
	<1993Jan20.200431.4942@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:13:42 GMT


I'm just another guy posting his $0.02:

I learned the basics of vi within an hour, used it for a year or 3
expanding my 'high-profile' usage ;-) of vi. Then I didn't use it for
6 years, got a job which involved unix again. My catch up time was little
over 60  minutes including some of the more enhanced (line-editing :-)
features. That must say something in favour of vi :-).
At least for me 8). 

BTW I'm using gnu emacs as well. My favourite?
So far vi, cause my knowledge of emacs isn't big enough yet. But since
I *hate* 8) typing too much I'd like to have user defined macro's at
hand ....... 
But I guess I'll be using both a lot, whatever is handy at the moment.
 

	Penguin.
--
-- 
Felix Th[e Penguin]. Rijnierse (ryn@mh.nl) Multihouse Automatisering BV. 
Tel:  +31 1820 62911   Fx: +31 1820 62500  Doesburgweg 7  2803 PL  Gouda

Do____You____Always____Trust____Your____First____Initial____Feeling____?
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: beginners' awk questions
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:28:24 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division

I'm having some difficulty understanding some basic concepts in awk
(Ultrix 4.2a, incidentally, with a DEC-supplied awk).  Suppose I have
a file containing the single line "foo".  If I run it through this awk
script,

{ x = $0; print x[1] }

I expect to see either an "f" or possibly an "o" on output.  In fact,
I get a blank line.  Why?  Changing the number within the subscript
doesn't seem to help.  The man page is a little skimpy in describing
the use of array subscripts.

(Distribution set to "ne" 'cause this is a dumb question and I see no
reason to trouble more people than necessary with it.)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: zzsb@kursix.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Wolfgang Sander-Beuermann)
Subject: Re: Script to get the weather report
Organization: RRZN
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:53:30 GMT

automatic - telnet - login:
---------------------------

[ ... deleted ... ]
>> 
>>    user=YourUsername
>>    passw=YourPassword
>>    (\
>>    sleep 5;\
>>    echo "$user";\
>>    sleep 10;\
>>    echo "$passw";\
>>    sleep 10;\
>>    echo "AnyCommand";\
>>    sleep 5;\
>>    echo "exit";\
>>    sleep 5\
>>    )\
>>    | telnet AnyHost > tempfile 2> /dev/null
>> 

>This is great! I've been looking for a way to automate telnet logins for awile.
>After testing this is seems to work great except for a small problem ;-).

>Telnet->login->password all work fine, but the remote connection always closes
>just after I get logged-in. 

>Any ideas?

Yes: try playing around with the times in the sleep command; may be, your
systems better like <sleep 20> or, opposite <sleep 3> or something else...

If it still does not work, please mail me the output file (in the example
called "tempfile"). I've tried the thing with several machines - no
problem.

Wolfgang Sander-Beuermann             zzsb@kursix.rrzn.uni-hannover.de
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: eswgcs%v8.decnet@v7.vitro.com (Charles W. Stump II)
Subject: ld errors
Summary: can not compile and link
Reply-To: cstump@vitro.com
Organization: Vitro Advanced Software Technologies
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:44:34 GMT

I am having problems compiling and linking on my SPARCstation 2.

I get the following error message:

    LD: undefined symbol

	_dlopen
	_dlclose
	_dlsym

I would appreciate any help!

Chuck Stump
From: ln_smr@pki-nbg.philips.de (Stephen Riehm)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: csh to ksh
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:55:31 GMT
Reply-To: ln_smr@pki-nbg.philips.de

solomon@mathcs.emory.edu (Michael Solomon) writes:

>I am about to convert a rather sophisticated csh application into ksh syntax.  Does
>anyone know of any guides, tips or (dare I ask) conversion software?  I would 
>greatly appreciate any assistance.

Can't say I know of any such software, but one piece of advice I can
give is: "if it aint broke, don't fix it!" From my experience, such
conversions are possible, once you know the equivalent command
structures etc, but every time I have attempted this sort of thing,
I spend a day converting, and three days (or more) finding bugs, often
subtle ones. If the effort is worth it, go ahead. Perhaps try writing
similar scripts from scratch to see how you would go about it in ksh
before trying to convert your csh script.

catchya

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From: mark@mark-one.inet-uk.co.uk (Mark Powell)
Subject: How to add a list of numbers?
Organization: Mark-One Public Access UNIX (+44 942 273926)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:06:19 GMT

What is the best (least CPU time) to addup a list of ASCII numbers?
eg you've just used cut to extract a list of file sizes from a ls -l
listing and now want to add all the numbers together. Is there some
utility that will do this?
All I can see is to write a for loop to add each number in turn to a
total, using expr.
Thanks in advance.

-- 
Mark Powell

Mark-One Public Access UNIX, Manchester, UK 	BBS:	+44 942 273926
UniBoard, *the* UNIX BBS, UK distribution site	Voice:	+44 942 714317
From: ELLIOTT1@ccf2.nrl.navy.mil (ANDRE S. ELLIOTT)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: info-unix subscription
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:00:09 GMT

Hello,
could someone please send me some information on how and where I may 
subscribe to the info-unix mailing list. Thanks in advance.

                              Andre Elliott
                              [elliott1@ccf.nrl.navy.mil]
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Question on sed
From: sl0k3@pluto.ee.usu.edu (Saturn)
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:26:43 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University


Hi,
	My appologies if this is a FAQ.  
How does one apply some editing commands to
a file using sed without having to redirect
output to another file.  I want the changes to 
appear on the same file.


*Sudhakaran Ram*

Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: rkng@rd.hydro.on.ca (Ron Ng)
Subject: comp.sys.client/server?
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:49:45 GMT

---------------------------------------------------
Does anybody know whether there is a newsgroup
dedicated to client/server systems? Any info is
appreciated. 

Ron.K.Ng@hydro.on.ca
---------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions