From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Israeli Expulsion of 418 Palestinians
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:13:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.210325.24732@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:

# In article <1992Dec21.193445.29576@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,

# makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
# > In article <1992Dec21.155449.14721@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU
# (Brad Hernlem) writes:
 
#    [a large quantity of text deleted for brevity]
 
# > # These people were not even
# > # given a trial and yet you have already sentenced them (you state with
# > # conviction that you know that each and every one of these people has
# > # sworn to destroy Israel). You don't even know who they are (unless you
# > # have special connections with the Israeli government) and yet you KNOW
# > # that each one of them is guilty.
 
# > 	When a bomb aimed at a (ill) deserving party, it might kill him.
# > It might kill an innocent person.  However that does not make it wrong
# > to drop the bomb.  You must seek out the best alternative, even if
# > that means killing innocents (but that should play a role in
# > determining the best alternative).
 
# > 	The fact of the matter is they are all supporters of HAMAS.  Given
# > Israel's more than justified security concerns, even if every one of
# > them did not participate in Toledano's murder, they should be
# > deported.  In fact, all of the Arabs should be deported unless they
#                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
# > agree to live as citizens in a Jewish state peacefully.
#   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
 
# Is this the policy of Israel?

	Unfortunately, not yet.

# Will Israel grant citizenship to all
# Palestinians who apply?

	Nope.  They must all be deported (unless they make the above
mentioned agreement) so as not to have an apartheid state where
residents revolt because they cannot vote.

	They will be allowed full civil, but no political rights if they
make the agreement.

# If in the future Jews no longer comprise the
# majority of Israeli citizens, will Israel cease to be a "democracy" in
# exchange for remaining a "Jewish" state?

	That is precisely why they cannot be allowed to vote.

# I suspect that most
# Palestinians severely doubt whether democracy will take precedence over
# Zionism if they are granted such an "opportunity". I believe that Israel
# should work toward dispelling this doubt.

	Israel should work for maintaining itself as the Jewish state.

# > # Being a supporter of such a justice
# > # system, aren't you afraid that some day someone might come up to you,
# > # declare that for reasons of state security you must be expelled from
# > # your country and left in freezing weather without shelter or food (and
# > # without a country, I might add; Palestinians have no passports and so do
# > # not easily get around)? Of course you will have the joy and consolation
# > # that you will be able "appeal" the decision!! 
 
# > 	No, I am not concerned, because should such a situation arise, I
# > will immedialty go to Israel (something which I will do anyway in the
# > near future if Rabin does not give it all away).  Israel exists to
# > provide that role for Jews.
 
# Very fortunate for YOU. I am sure that you know that the Palestinians
# who were deported have no country. You should talk to some Palestinians
# sometime and ask how it is to be without a country...to only be able to
# have a passport if some country generously grants you one. You are not
# looking correctly at what I said above. 

	I am not opposed to their having a country.  Just that they cannot
steal their country from Israel.

# > 	And their plight would not be so bad if the world, especially
# > their Arab bretheren spent 1% of their recources helping them that
# > they use complaining about them.
 
# How very nice of you! Are you no less one of their brothers?
 
	I am not a brother of any vicious terrorists, or of a terrorist
supporter (which is just about the same thing).

# > 	And in the US I doubt I would be expelled unless I was a threat to
# > state security, which is one of the reasons I still chose to live
# > here.
 
# Please, David, I did not say you had to actually be a threat to state
# security, only that you are charged as such. Remember, these
# Palestinians were not tried, no evidence has been presented in a court
# of law, they have only been accused.

	But in the US, you would have to be a threat.  When that changes,
I am out of here (if not before).
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