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From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: So long, Stanley Cup playoffs
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:20:08 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>From Mark Shneyder

>In article <cdt7gui00Uh7I48Fo0@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Anna Matya
>s) writes:
>>
>>Some other things I'm royally PO'd about:
>>
>>*First, let me say that I had no ill feelings whatsover toward the
>> players for doing this -- initially.  I've changed in that respect.
> 
>Initially,you had no sympathy for anyone making $200,000 and going
>on strike. Maybe there weren't any ill feelings,but they certainly
>weren't the ones of compassion.

I never said that.  I said "a part of me" has no sympathy BUT I know
that if I was in that position I would probably fight for what I
thought I deserved.  I try to look at things from BOTH sides and I
see error and positive things on both sides.  I'm with the players on
the issues -- they're the ones I go to see; not the owners.

You are in no position to judge whether or not I'm a compassionate
human being and I resent your reference that I am not.  I have been
supporting the Penguins since they came into the league (scraping
my baby-sitting money together in 1970, when I was 15, to buy
$3.50 tickets to the games).  I understand perfectly why they chose
to strike when they did and it *does* make sense.  But I don't have to
stand up and applaud them for it.

I truly appreciate that I can afford season tickets when many people
can't.  And I appreciate all the players I've seen through in the
years in person; Bobby Orr, Rod Gilbert, Ken Hodge, Guy LaFleur,
the list goes on and on.  This has nothing to do with money -- it
has everything to do with appreciating what I think is the greatest
sport in the world.

>I'm not sure about the other 15 teams, but the Bruins ARE NOT refunding
>any money and telling fans to hold on to their tickets because the games
>have been postponed and not cancelled. Are they for real? Only in America!

Hey! Guess what?!  They WERE for real!!
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Job of NHL President (WAS: Re: Strike views from Pgh.)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:21:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.124045.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>
>Very true.  Ziegler stated at Saturday's press conference that he is
>co-chairman of the owners' negotiating committee, and has held that position
>since he became president.  Bob Goodenow was once an anti-labour lawyer, but he
>now works for the NHLPA.
>

It might be more accurate to say Goodenow was a labour lawyer whose most
notorious case was representing the management side in one particularly
nasty union certification battle.  Lawyers tend to be hired guns, and
able to burn both ends of the candle.

Gerald

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From: g8801887@cc.uow.edu.au (stewart hicks)
Subject: Ice Hockey Downunder II
Summary: A rematch scheduled!!
Keywords: Eagles Vs The Germans
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 07:03:19 GMT

Last Saturday night after a closely contested game between the Canterbury
Eagles and the touring German team ESC Starnberg, The Germans emerged victors,
defeating The Eagles 5 goals to 3. The first period saw a strong performance by
the new look Eagles lineup with the establishment of an early 3 goal lead. 
This lead should have been extended to 4 but for a dissallowed goal late in 
the third period.
The second period saw the momentum shift with the Eagles losing some of their
intensity and allowing the Germans to scramble back to a score line of 3 goals 
all. Two of these goals were the result of excessive traffic in front of the
Eagles import Canadian Goalie, however the third goal, a high powered slapshot
from inside the blue line from one of the German Division 2 players would have
had many goalies scrambling to make the save.
The third period saw an even matchup for the most part with a few cheap shots 
being taken by both sides, however a lethal powerline combination midway 
through the period saw Starnberg improve to a 2 goal lead. After this the 
Starnberg team slowed the game down and despite a few near misses and the 
Eagles pulling their goalie in the dying minutes, the Eagles were unable to
recover the deficit.

Due to the huge success of the match from both a players and spectators view,
a rematch has been scheduled for next Saturday, 18th April at The Canterbury
Olympic Ice Rink at 5:00pm. Tickets are available at ADLT $7.00 CHLD $5.00 and 
family tickets are available at $20.00 ( 2 ADLT + 2 CHLD). For more info, on  
the match or any other Australian Ice hockey queries mail me or contact The
Canterbury Olympic Ice Rink on (02) 789 4044.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~
~	Stewart Hicks			g8801887@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
~	Chemistry Department 
~	University Of Wollongong        Stewart_Hicks@science-gw.uow.edu.au
~	N.S.W. Australia 
~				    "Oh well, I suppose I will have to die
~	Telephone (042) 213 504	     beyond my means......"	 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Distribution: world
Subject: Ice Hockey Downunder II
Summary: A rematch scheduled!!
Keywords: Eagles Vs The Germans
From: IO20149@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92104.102942IO20149
Organization: University of Maine System

Start up the Zamboni engines! The NHL is back! Games picked up where
they left off last night (4/12)
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Name That Goon!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:36:33 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

Bob Probert or that Domey(sp?) guy?

Parag
From: ssmith@husky1.stmarys.ca (Steve Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Toronto Maple Leafs
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:32:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Services, St. Mary's University

In article <1992Apr14.033601.24981@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...) writes:

>well i am old enough to remember the Imlach era and what encourages me about
>the present group is that for the first time since Imlach got fired, the man
>who runs the show (fletcher) is not the owner.  I think Grant Fuhr started
>celebrating the end of the season a little early though...

That's what I like about Toronto fans, no matter what sport. They're great 
when they're winning but dump on them when they're down. I think Fuhr 
helped immensely in getting them as far as they did. The media in Toronto 
really gets on them when they go into a tailspin. 


Steve Smith
Manager, Systems and Operations
Saint Mary's University
Halifax, N.S.

Internet: ssmith@husky1.stmarys.ca
Phone: 902 420-5477
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Expansion?
Keywords: expansion, southern US, tongue-in-cheek, history
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:16:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Apr14.201555.8088@bnr.ca> dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan) writes:
>tenant.  I guess my friends in Hamilton will have to wait until
>the Lightning fold in 1994 . . . 
>
Hartford is a better candidate.
From: pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Andrew Platosh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: minnesota
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:56:45 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I generally don't consider right to be a verb. I can't have any family
>members read this to me because none of them know the gorillaese 
>language as fluently as you.	(are you Canadian?)

What's that supposed to mean?
This is the wrong b-board for Canada bashing.
Please keep your flames to yourselves.
==Paul Platosh
THE MAPLE LEAF FOREVER!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Salary Cap questions
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:38:35 GMT

am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:


>I know that the NBA has a team salary cap.  (This is the only thing
>I know about basketball, other than the fact that I hate it.  I have
>no idea how many teams and divisions there are, when the season
>begins/ends, etc...)  People who know basketball claim that the salary
>cap is an excellent system and I've made blanket comments that it should
>be instituted in all sports, but after thinking about it since
>the strike (since there isn't much else to think about), I've come up
>with some questions.

The Canadian Football league also has a salary cap of $3 million.
(ie. the teams payroll cannot exceed $3 mill. The exception to this
is that every team can have one marquee player, who isn't covered
by the cap. Like Rocket Ismail, the $6 million dollar man.)

If a team goes over the cap, two things happen: The team gets fined,
and they loose draft picks in the following year's draft. (Of course,
the CFL is a different animal than the NHL; fewer teams, competition
with the NFL, no real 'farm system', etc.)

Allan
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Women's World Championships schedule
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:55:39 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Apr14.125600.1093@tac.fi> tiok_jk@tac.fi (Juha Koivisto) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.094617.1086@tac.fi>, tiok_jk@tac.fi (Juha Koivisto) writes:
>> 
>> Here is the schedule for the games:
>> 1992 Women's Ice Hockey World Championships in Tampere, Finland
>> 
>> Group A:  Canada, Sweden, Denmark, China
>> Group B:  USA, Finland, Norway, Switzerland
>> 
   Anyone know if this is going to be televised any in the U.S.?

Judy
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Introducing the PCHL
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:26:18 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada


I am pleased to announce the formation of a new league, the Politically
Correct Hockey League (PCHL).

The PCHL will emphasize the more artistic elements of the game, while
eliminating the action and excitement which characterize current hockey.
In order to prevent offending American sensitivities, Fighting will be
banned. In addition, in order to eliminate the possibility of retaliatory
stick violations, players sticks will be made of foam rubber, and will
only be 14 inches long.

In addition, should a player body-check another, he must immediately
appologize.

The league hopes to begin its first year of operation by opening
francises in all 50 states in the U.S. (with an additional franchise
in Mexico.) No francises were planned for Canada, because, as the
league president said, "Those Canadians don't know anything about
hockey." The PCHL games will be shown on NBC, CBS, and ABC. Each
of these contracts is expected to bring in one billion dollars
a year into the league.

When asked how the PCHL will stack up against the NHL, the president
of the PCHL said this: "I think we will eventually replace the NHL
as the top hockey league in the world. After all, why would anyone
want to go see a game with all that nasty hitting, when they could
come here and watch our players skate around and hug each other?"
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From: agouldng@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Allan Goulding)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:20:37 GMT


cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
> Now for my daily dose of pro-Habs propaganda...   :-)
> 1)  1950-51 was the last year the Canadiens were sub-.500 !!!!!!
>     And they made it to the Cup finals that year!!!

Not quite. Montreal's record has been impressive but the 1983-84 season
was their last sub .500 season  (35W, 40L, 5T = 75 points)

>2)  In 1969-70 they had 92 points in 76 games, yet they missed the playoffs
>    due to a goal-differential that wasn't as good as the team they were
>    tied with.  (that caused a rule change which I won't get into now...)
>    If you don't count that year, they have made the playoffs EVERY season
>    since 1947-48 !!!!!

Well the NHL guide reports for the East division in the 1969-70 season:
             GP     W    L    T     GF     GA   PTS
4 New York   76    38   22    6    246    189    92
5 Montreal   76    38   22    6    244    201    92

So overall goal differential looks to be in New York's favour. Can't say what
the record for the season series between them was that year.
The original six were in one division, the expansion teams in the other.
Incidentally, the first place team in the West division, St. Louis,
had 86 points that year. Oakland, in 4th place in the West, made the playoffs
with 58 points.

Allan
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=============================================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: AN ODE TO SHERRI
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:35:15 GMT

In article <9APR199214263941@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ronald Morris (SVER)) writes:
>Somebody wrote some poem and then:
>> 
>>      H H  U U  GGG  !!
>>      H H  U U  G    !!
>>      HHH  U U  G G  !!
>>      H H  U U  G G  
>>      H H  UUU  GGG  !!
>> 
>In addition, someone called Fluffy the Wonder Bunny had something to
>do with this.  So this is what the strike has wrought.  What the hell
>is going on here?!?  This is not rec.sport.warm.mushy.fuzzies.  This
>is rec.sport.HOCKEY!  We don't *HUG*.  Nor do we refer to ourselves
>as "Fluffy".  We rarely use words with more than two sylables (and
>when we do, we spell wrong), much less write poems!  These guys should
>have to watch "Slapshot" about 250 times and find out what Hockey is
>all about.

>Hey, Sherri is cool.  I don't agree with a lot of her opinions, but
>she's entitled to them.  But she is a PENGUINS fan.  Therefore, I am
>sending Sherri a great big *CROSS CHECK*, and urge others to do the same.

>Ron

If she's a Penguin fan, don't you think that's enough?

Warren
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Sharks Rumor Mill
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 03:29:32 GMT

In article <63600001@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams) writes:
>>Forgive me if I've missed or forgotten something obvious, but what
>>happend to Gaetz that got him so badly damaged?  The last I remember
>>hearing about him was when he started that fight after the end of the Pens
>>game.  Was he in an auto accident?
>
>
>Yes, Link was in an auto accident.  During the strike he rolled is car
>(Trans Am or Camaro) on a highway off-ramp.  Intoxication was suspected
>but I can't remember what was concluded.

Not exactly.  He was riding in his *Jeep* but his friend (who was suspected
to be DWI) was driving.  It rolled over as they attempted to exit off a ramp.
The friend (who might face DWI charges) is only hurt slightly, but Link has
massive facial injuries.

===============================================================================
Kansas City Blades for the Turner Cup!
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Pat Falloon for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: fafuria@fish.Princeton.EDU (Frederick A. Furia)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:17:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <ARBOGASTW.78@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.172115.4539@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>
>I'm the idiot who copied all 100 lines and added, "thank you." So sorry for 
>wasting all that space, Joe.   
>
>Speaking of wasted sapce...  

[Tons of wasted space deleted...]

>(And yes, Joe, I know the Flyers won the season series against the Caps this 
>year....But, Joe those are regular season games and nobody outside of Philly 
>and the owners bargaining committee cares too much about these games.)

The Capitals as well of several of their fans were not at all pleased.

Fred
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:48:16 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:

>In article <allan.702362807@so-heart-rv> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>>If you ban fighting, you will get a lot more stick swinging, kicking, etc.
>>(After all, what can the person do to retaliate?) And it won't do a thing
>>to help get a TV contract, because Americans have Football, basketball, 
>>baseball and I doubt the head of the national networks even know what Hockey
>And people will STILL think hockey is a barbaric game because of the
>>hitting and the nasty stickwork that a ban on fighting will bring.

>Well since people will still think it is barbaric don't do anything?

>What about ejecting players for fighting and continuing to call offsetting 
>penalties when it, in the minds of the refs (if they have minds), is not so 
>bad?

Well, how's this for a senario? Team X has a star player (lets call him
Wendel Clarke ;-) Team Y knows that Wendel is a good player, and they want
to neutralize him. So they take an 'expendible' player, and get him to
instigate a fight. Both players get thrown out, but who looses
more? I'd say Team X. Sure, the player on Team X could just not fight,
but when the other player is going out of his way to try to injure him,
and the ref doesn't see it, he should be allowed to do something.

Sure, a hypothetical situation I know. After all, no player in the NHL
would go out of his way to deliberately hurt another player. (And all
those incidents Ulf Samuelson was involved in were just accidents.)
Sarcasm intended.

I also base my opinion on a friend of mine, who played hockey first
with the OHL (Junior A), where fighting is allowed, and then University
Hockey, where fighting is not allowed. (I think the player gets suspended
for the season if he fights.) His observation? A lot of players at
the University level were careless with their sticks, because they knew
that the other players were powerless to do anything about it. If
fighting were allowed at the University level, then the players could
quickly end the careless use of sticks right then and there.
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Johnson in Hall of Fame
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:39:46 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

While being caught up in the post strike hoopla, I forgot to mention this.

The late Bob Johnson will be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto
late this summer.  He will be inducted under the "Founders" category, in honor
of his work in US hockey.

Lori
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Deadline passes...
Keywords: Owners hold conference call.
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:13:12 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I just heard this little blurb on the news (WTAE Radio, because KDKA is
carrying the Pirates-Expos game.):

The NHL owners have let the 3:00 deadline pass today without comment.  NHL
President John Ziegler said that the owners will take part in a conference call
later today (I think at 5:00), and after the call he will hold a press 
conference.

So the season still clings to life, albeit barely.

Lori
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: bn328@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian P. Blume)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Student Hockey Player Needs Help!
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:48:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.044822.20029
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


	My name is Brian Blume, currently I am a Senior at Rocky 
     River High School, in Cleveland, Ohio.  I've been playing hockey
     for the past 12 years and am only 17 now.  This past year my 
     family and I moved to a city where hockey was a high school
     sport.  Fortunately for me I was blessed with three terrific
     coaches, Dave Janik, Joe Bechtal, and Bob Bailey (Jr.).  This
     91-92 school year my team finished with an overall record of
     19-6-1 winning our division title and the city championship
     (Baron Cup).  My premier in high school hockey went well for me
     scoring 20 goals and 15 assists in the 26 games we played.  In the
     latter part of the season I was named male athlete of the week
     at school, and received a special award.  I'm writing this
     summary of myself in hopes that a Junior A or B coach might 
     see this, or even hear about it and offer me a tryout.  I worked
     very hard this year and feel I can be a great help to any team.
     I'm 5'10 and weigh only 150 but am on a weight gaining program
     and I come highly recommended with my 'lightning quick speed.'
     If there is a scout out there or a head coach could someone please
     contact by telephone at (216) 892-9393, or please feel free to
     use my E-MAIL box and leave me a phone number, I'd be more than
     happy to return a phone call.  All I'm asking for is a tryout,
     and a shot at my dream.  Thank you very much.
-- 
			$ Brian P. Blume $
		    bn328@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
			  Class of 1992
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