From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Fetal Heartbeat (Re: Supreme Court)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:16:08 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <1992Jul25.054019.15284@rotag.mi.org>  kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.234126.4841@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
> >In  <BrwyvJ.BuM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>  slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellme
> >
> >> Induced abortion is the subject of this group, not spontaneous abortion.
> >
> >When did they rename it to "talk.abortion.induced"?
>
> Larry, put a sock in it.

Funny, but I don't remember you telling anyone else to "put a sock in it"
when previous discussions of abortifacients arose.

> You _know_ how much I hate to agree with Kellmeyer,

Well then, don't - particularly when he's wrong.

> in LEGAL terms, "abortion" always means an intentional, deliberate act.
> Since we discuss the legal and somewhat-related aspects of abortion here,
> "induced" would be redundant in the newsgroup name.

It would also be incorrect, since it would rule out other discussion which
is appropriate for this group.  As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I
agree that *generally* when we talk about abortion, we're referring to
induced abortion.  However, it's important to remember that when many of
the Fanatic Fundies refer to banning abortion, they're including banning
the use of abortifacients - e.g., the birth control pill.  So although
you and I use "abortion" to refer to induced abortion, I think it useful
to remember that others don't, and want to take away even more rights
than it would seem.

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"We are totally opposed to abortion under any circumstances. We are also
opposed to abortifacient drugs and chemicals like the Pill and IUD, and
we are also opposed to all forms of birth control with the exception of
natural family planning." -- Judie Brown, President, American Life League
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"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your
marriage as often as you like -- and if you have babies, you have babies ..."
     -- Randall Terry, Executive Director, Operation Rescue
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"Meanwhile, let it be clear what we do: we fight contraception-sterilization-
abortion on six continents ... " -- Fr. Paul Marx, President, Human Life
International
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"For instance, several years ago we tracked down a twelve-year-old girl
who was going to have an abortion, so that we could talk her out of it.
Talking a woman out of having an abortion is not news. But tracking her
down by using a private detective is."
"For those who say I can't impose my morality on others, I say just watch
me." -- Joseph Scheidler, Executive Director, Pro-Life Action League
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"I don't think we should punish the criminal (a rapist) by killing his
child." -- Dr. John Wilke, President, National Right to Life Committee
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"It's very healthy for a young girl to be deterred from promiscuity by
a fear of contracting a painful, incurable disease, cervical cancer,
or sterility, or the likelihood of giving birth to a dead, blind, or
brain-damaged baby (even ten years later when she may be happily
married)." -- Phyllis Schlafly, President, Eagle Forum
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"Resist, expose, or stop immediately every public school or group sex
education program, no matter what it is called, or how it is diffused
into the curriculum." -- Fr. Paul Marx, President, Human Life International
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Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity