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From: moon!cyberden!tyree@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Kill A Biker, Go To Jail. NOT!!!
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 21:23:54 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

This story about drivers backing up to finish off their 'road kill' is 
obviously some kind of urban myth, like the woman who dries off her 
poodle by putting it in the microwave and it explodes.
I've read the same kind of thing about drivers in Mexico. Enquiring minds 
want to know!!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)
Subject: Re: Looking for address for Pinarello distributor
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:30:00 GMT

In article <92106.101101IO11265@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO11265@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes...
>Well, I'm going to do it. I'm finally going to
>re-do my old Pinarello. The only thing is, the
U.S. distributor's address is:
 Gita Sporting Goods Ltd.
12600 Steel Creek Rd.
Charlotte, NC 28273           (704)588-7555

larry henling  lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman)
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 21:03:03 GMT

[interpretation of the word "accident"]

I think that "accident" used to mean what we now mean when we think of an "act
of God", but has come to be applied to almost any incident which the
responsible party/parties has come to regret afterwards.  It seems to be a way
of evading responsibility.

An example of the way this thinking has slipped into common use:  Here in
southern California, we have frequent large motor vehicle collisions almost
every time it rains heavily, or there is dense fog, or there is a heavy
sandstorm.  Sometimes these incidents are truly spectacular, such as the
recent 100+ car pileup on I-5 during a "sudden" sandstorm.  Local TV news
reporters, as well as the people they interview almost always speak of the
weather being the cause of the accident.

To me, this is like watching someone be pushed off a cliff, and observing that
their death was caused by the ground they collided with.  I really think that
if people hear this sort of nonsense long enough, they start to think this
way.

Peace,
Mike


P.S.  In response to complaints about mis-crossposted messages, I agree that
the newsgroups line should be edited to remove groups which have nothing to do
with the content of the message.  On the other hand, to those whose fingers
are "getting tired", I recommend getting, and learning to use, a decent
newsreader (e.g. 'nn').

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   The more Angelino drivers I meet, the more I like Charles Manson.
From: jmyers@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jonathan Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:35:41 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

No.  From my experience, clipless pedals release in accidents.  I do
not know what the tension values were at the crash I was witness to, but
the person wearing the clipless pedals released instantly.
I was in a paceline.  The first person went down, I avoided (luck), #3 went
down, #4 avoided.  #1 had cleats and straps. He did not release.
He was road rashed.  #3 was using clipless.  He released and skidded
on his gloves and shoes.  He was unscathed.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Subject: Olympic Trials
Reply-To: kjm@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix, Sacramento, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 15:36:47 GMT

Article 2942 of rec.running:
From: paulf@max.mips.com (Paul French)
Newsgric: rec.running
Subject: Re: US Olympic Trials

>Some secondhand news on the Trials.  A friend of mine ran and dnf'ed.  Here's
>what he told me...

>Qualifying for the trials sounds like a wonderful experience.  After his
>qualifier, he got a letter from the committee inviting him to the race.

>All hotels were paid for, the flights were paid, and there was a per diem
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to boot!  They were kept updated as to who had qualified and how things
 ^^^^^^^^
>were going in preparation for the race.  Before the race, everyone got a
>nice booklet with info on all the qualifiers, including photos.

     I thought you people might want to know how the other sports take care
of the Olympic Trials.

     I am a catagory 1 and I may or may not go to the trials.  I went in 1988
and enjoyed it, but now I work for a living and realistically I don't have a
chance.  I would like to go just because it is the Olympic Trials.  The only
problem is that it will end up costing at least $1,000.  The air fare is about
$500  and housing will end up costing over $500 since the whole affair lasts 
eleven days.  Now, it's not going to make any difference to the selection 
process whether I go or not, but it seems obscene that it will cost me that
much money to take a chance on representing my country in the olympics.  Once
again, I don't have a snowballs chance in hell of making the team.  It is just
the principle that bothers me.

Kevin
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dwoods@cs.ulowell.edu (Dave)
Subject: Bicycle Commuting 
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:03:37 GMT


I heard on the radio this morning something about the state
of Utah (or maybe just Salt Lake City) giving away 
bicycles to people who will give up driving a car to
work.

Well, I'm pretty sure I heard that.  It was from my radio-
alarm and through a haze of sleep, so I suppose I could
have been dreaming.  Has anyone heard more about this?  I
don't actually live anywhere near Utah, but it's interesting
anyway.

b.t.w, Someone posted recently that Bike-2-work week is 
May 19-22.  Is this just a mistake, or does a bike-2-work
week only rate four days? 

-- 
Dave Woods      dwoods@cs.ulowell.edu
University of Massachusetts at Lowell
Department of Computer Science 
1 University Avenue, Lowell, MA 01854
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: idelson@idg02.bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Question about Hyperglide chains and pins
Originator: idelson@idg02
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:33:09 GMT


I know the proper procedure for a Hyperglide chain is to remove any pin
but the black one(s) completely and replace it with the special black
Hyperglide pin.

I have a friend who does the following. He uses the cycoli rivoli cahin
tool(the narrow chain model) and pushes the black pin out exactly 6 turns.
This leaves just enough of a lip to catch the link when reinstalling it.
He  pushes is back in exactly 6 turns. In this 6 turns you can hear a
first click as the pin emerges out the back side of the link and can then 
a second click a the pins "goes home".

He claims he has been using this technique for a number of years over the
normal life of seven chains (on a mtb) with out a failure of the hyperglide
link.

Any  and all comments on this are welcome.

Ira Idelson
idelson@idg02.bms.com
From: pcc@kadima.s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Groupo -> Price ~ Quality ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:15:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: s1.1992Apr15.161533.16324
Reply-To: pcc@s1.gov
Organization: LLNL
Originator: pcc@kadima.s1.gov


If this is a FAQ, I am sorry, but I did not see it in the last FAQ
posting. My question has to do with Price relative to quality for
Groupo's. I just purchased a never used Campy Super Record brakeset 
for ~$165, I then looked in colorado cyclist and saw that I could 
purchase a complete Shimano Ultegra Groupo for $419. I guess I am 
trying to find out when the price increase is not in proportion to a
quality increase. What is actualy worth the price, and when am I 
paying mostly for a "name". 

Can anyone rank the following (in their opinion) in order of quality,
consider non STI/ERGopower. The '92 models are what I can get, and the
other 2 are what I currently have.

Campy Record (92)
Campy Chorus (92)
Campy Athena (92)
Shimano Dura-Ace (92)
Shimano Ultegra (92)
Shimano 105 (92)
Campy Super Record 
Campy Nuovo Record 



Phil


FYI - The reason for this inquiry is to help me decide on whether to
replace my frame and use existing components, or sell my bike and buy a
"new" bike with 105's or Ultegras.



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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dinsmm@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Michael John Dinsmore)
Subject: Re: Slick 50 for my MTB? :)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:04:52 GMT

victor sue <ACPS7223@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:

>I'm just curious - would using Slick 50 as a chain lubricant provide any
>superior protection over other lube formulas (ie: teflon bases ones)?
>Ideally, it would be used for soaking overnight (after a good cleaning).
>How about Molybdenum (sp) - is this any 'slipperier' than teflon?

Slick 50 is not a lubricant.  It is an engine treatment product.
I would not recommend this for your bike chain.  

Pedal on,
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/_/ |__/ |_||  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
\_\/\__\/\_\|  Computer and Systems Engineering
From: jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:14:06 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


	I almost never yell at other cyclists who are doing 
stupid things (judge not, etc.). EXCEPT:

	1. People riding on the wrong side.

	2. People with a kid on the kid seat w/o helmet.

	Any other  additions?


	jon.
From: mccallum@chlorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:20:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.skk2qINN70q
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: chlorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr16.170823.24915@rsg1.er.usgs.gov> junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger) writes:
>Within the last week or so I saw an ad in one of the bicycling rags that
>I subscribe to where someone was riding a MB (Bianchi???, I can't
>remember the builder) specifically made for 700 wheels.  The point of the
>ad was that this guy was winning all sorts of races just becasue his MB
>had 700 wheel size rather than 26".  I wasn't convinced...

I race in the same area as Joe Blanco.  He is a good rider, and 
gets good results.  BUT he didn't suddenly start getting results
just because he started riding this magic 700C Bianchi.

He had been using the basic 26" wheels, at least until the beginning of
last season, and he was still doing very well.  I think it is very naive
to think that the 700C wheels are the reason for his wins, and it
is also insulting to him (IMHO).  From what I have seen, he would
do well on a Huffy (assuming that it didn't break during the race).

Of course, I am not saying that I think people necessarily belive this
ad campaign, eh?


>
>     cheers -- John
>     junger@mtn.er.usgs.gov

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: andrew@b3.ingr.com (Andrew Stephens)
Subject: RFI:Georgia MTB Weekend Soon?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:57:41 GMT


I was wondering if there would be any type of spring gathering in 
North Georgia like the one I read about on the net last fall. How did 
that go? I'm in Huntsville, AL (not far) but did not have my bike with 
me at the time of the fall event, If any one has any info at all about 
the last one and/or next one, please let me know. Thanks, 

Drew    (drew@drew.b3.ingr.com)
From: warsa@lacerta.unm.edu (j warsa)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Multiple Free Laps
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:05:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.=9qjhpg
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: na
Organization: Universidad de Nuevo Mexico, Alburquerque

This post is primarily directed to Les Ernest, but I thought it might
provoke general discussion.

A new USCF rule was introduced this year allowing multiple free laps in 
criteriums. It appears that it is being abused. Several times this year,
I have seen guys stopping behind crashes, and even though they weren't
really involved, getting free laps. At the Tempe Grand Prix, for instance,
Hegg got back in after one of the early crashes (of the very many!). Later, 
he stopped in FRONT of a crash with about 10 laps to go, and got a nice 
2-lap rest before the finale. 

As another example, last weekend in Tyler, TX, my teammate got caught behind 
a first lap crash. He got back in, and half way through the race, found 
himself behind another crash. He didn't go down, but rolled around to the 
pit for a second free lap, as did alot of others. Now without the multiple 
free lap rule, he would have had to catch back on, as I did. But instead he 
took two laps to get back in and got a rest, and he wasn't the only one. 

Now, this could of course happen without the multiple free lap rule, but
I believe that if only one mishap (as defined in the rule book) per race
is allowed, the lure of a free lap rest would not be so great, and the 
officials wouldn't be so relaxed about granting free laps. 

-- 
jim warsa
albuquerque
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.motorcycles
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:20:21 GMT

varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:

> The first paved roads in this country were built for
> bicycles at the urging of a bicyclists' lobbying group,
> the League of American Wheelmen.

This reminds me of the fact that, at the turn of the century,
the fastest wheeled transportation, bar none, was the bicycle.
When Frank "Mile-a-Minute" Murphy set his record (60 mph on
a bike), he had trouble finding a locomotive that had sufficient
speed to pace him!

My source on this is the book, "Hearts of Lions," which deals
with the history of bicycle racing in America.

-- 
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From: bonnie@earth.njit.edu (Bonnie MacKellar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Adult' one-speeds?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:49:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes:

>Woman friend is seeking a bicycle for mild exercise/short recreational/
>social riding.  We've had *15 or 20* hours of discussion on this issue
>and she *insists* that she wants a one-speed, coaster-brake bike, women's
>frame if possible.  Frame and brake-type are negotiable, but absence
>of gear-shifting is *not*, she says.

>This is going to make joint riding a real pain, and it would make
>more sense to spend bicycle money on a psychiatric consultation.
>And I'll keep trying to promote at least a 3-speed (assuming such
>are still available).  But:

Why the bias against good old traditional bicycles?  For
commuting and around town riding, nothing beats them.
I own both both a classic Raleigh "Wicked Witch of the East" style
bike AND a 10 speed road bike.  Both have their places..
When I want to ride 25+ miles in the countryside (which it sounds
like your friend does NOT want to do), I take the 10 speed.
On my daily commute to the train station (one mile) I take
the traditional bike.  The 10 speed would NOT work - it
has no fenders, no skirt guard (essential!), no bell, and
no place to put anything.  My traditional bike allows me to
just hop on no matter what I am wearing - I don't have to
change out of my nice dress and into bike shorts just to
go get a loaf of bread. It  is also less attractive to thieves.
I really think more people would use bike transit if bikes were
made more convenient.

You should check garage sales.  There were a lot of adult size
bikes made in that style even 15 years ago.  The women's models
are accessible to short women.  That is how I have always gotten mine.

Related note :  Where in the U.S. can one buy skirt guards?
They are an esential feature of Dutch and Japanese bikes,
where people actually commute by bicycle.  I have asked
around here and no one in the bike stores have ever heard of
them.  My current skirt guard was bought in Japan.
If my bike gets stolen, I will be stuck.  I refuse to
wear special clothing just to toddle a mile or two to the
train station on my bike.

                                  Bonnie MacKellar
                                  bonnie@vienna.njit.edu
From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Low Profile brakes=low performance braking?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:27:28 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <0duvqGu00iV18_U6FA@andrew.cmu.edu> cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher L. Morrow) writes:
>Shimano tool' to set them up properly, but some how, possible through
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^      
this makes setting them up easy but it is not needed.

>indicate that they are by far the best set up brakes we have seen, the
>lock up almost immediatly and hold in all conditions we could test them
>in, didn't try water yet.  I guess they are just really hard to set up,

Part of the reason that they are wonderful is the servo-wave levers.
These make standard XT brakes wonderful too.  (I have old XT with
Servo-wave levers)  If you have set things up properly they are
fantastic brakes -- truly two finger brakes.  

I have used the Dia Compe 987's (I think, the cheaper of their low
profile ones--the ones that are the *lightest*) and they don't break
very well.  The newer ones are better but cannot compare to the XT
servo wave setup.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: TDF on FOX Network LIVE!
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:05:49 GMT

jv04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JAMES VOROSMARTI) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.162643.26989@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (
>Terry Thiel) writes:
>>mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman) writes:
>>I beleive that was an April fools joke.  I bought into it at first but when the
>ymentioned giving Bart Simpson dolls to the stage winners I got suspicious....
>>-Terry
>>

I thought the French believe Greg LeMond *is* Bart Simpson!  :-)
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From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: A day at the Palomar Mountain
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:53:10 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Myself and two other guys decided to do Mount Palomar.  At sunrise, we
started from the San Diego Stadium.  Headed east through Mission Gorge,
Lakeside, and Poway.  This included Wild Cat Canyon Road, a hilly, yet
quiet road.  Turning north at Dudley's Bakery, we continued past Lake
Henshaw and took the not-so-steep grade (east side of the mountain), up
to the top.  Clad in lycra, the top was pretty darn cold, so we enjoyed
lunch at the local lodge just to warm up.  We took the steep side down
(west side of mountain);  it was fun, fast, and beautiful.  We even
passed one car on the descent!  The tempature warmed up on the descent
too.  Now at the east end of Escondido, we continued to Center City
Parkway.  Riding paceline style, to make the best of our time, we
headed south towards San Diego.  By now, after doing about 70 miles of
uphill, Rancho Bernardo, Poway and Miramar were welcome sights.  We
arrived back at the San Diego Stadium right at sunset with 132 new
miles registered on our odometer.  It was the hardest ride I'd ever done,
and, at times, it caused me to question my sanity. But it was a fun,
beautiful ride; one I would do again provided I had plenty of glycogen
in my system.
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: riding up stairs
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:25:56 GMT

Now that we've established that it's ok to ride a properly maintained ATB
down stairs, could a few of you rad riders give me some hints on your
techniques for riding up stairs?

Since I bought my ATB I've not let things like curbs, ditches and such get
in my way but I'll admit going up stairs is still a bit tough for me.

-- 
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Houston, Texas  |  {nuchat,lobster}!xcluud!paul  |  waiting for a train.
From: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu (RICHARD HOFFBECK)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Adult' one-speeds?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:44:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: moose.13APR199211442071
Reply-To: rwh@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.103157.39299@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes:
> Woman friend is seeking a bicycle for mild exercise/short recreational/
> social riding.  We've had *15 or 20* hours of discussion on this issue
> and she *insists* that she wants a one-speed, coaster-brake bike, women's
> frame if possible.  Frame and brake-type are negotiable, but absence
> of gear-shifting is *not*, she says.


Schwinn still makes a single speed coaster brake bike with a women's frame.
I'm afraid that I don't know the price however.  

I saw a Giant Brownstone this weekend that is aimed at folks looking for 
simple bikes.  It looked well done with a wide, heavily sprung seat and
and high handlebars.  It also comes with fenders, a kickstand and a bell
with a total weight around 34 pounds.  On the downside, it is a seven speed
with a numbered twist grip shifter so your friend might not go for it. It
was written up in a recent review of hybrids in either Bicycle or Bicycle
Guide.  The one I saw was going for around $260.

Good luck :-)

--rick

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