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From: ystan@fawlty10.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: New Topic: Chinese Christians
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:17:58 GMT

chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.212701.22897@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>>
>>I saw that several people that I known who went to Christian
>>fellowship for the purpose of meeting guys/girls and as soon
>>as they achieved their purpose, they quitted.

>I don't disagree with what you said there, mostly.  But what is the
>meaning of that "purpose"?  I would think, as soon as "they quitted",
>the persons they are after are also devoted Christians will quit them
>too.  So what is the point?  I think it is much more productive, in
>terms of knowing more people (gals/guys if you prefer), to joint
>school/community functions.  Just hope you won't be stuck with the
>one that you will regret, not because of himself/herself, but because
>of yourself!  Just think about the situation that you are not
>interested a bit in religion at all, but that you have to fake to be
>one everytime you are with that person.

>Chuan Lee
>U of Washington, Seattle.

>PS. But if you are truly and unexpectedly enlightened by Him one of
>    those I-think-I-am-still-pretending days, praise the Lord.

I have also known/heard of people here who attend churches because of
boyfriend/girlfriend. There are Christian who give up Christianity for some
other religions and vice versa, just because boy/girlfriend is not a 
Christian and so on... This, to me, is very fake. Taking religions as a 
game? Why give up your belief so easily ? Things that you have been holding
onto for years, vanish in split seconds ... Where's your pride ?

	Don't mean to flame anyone, just my views. Comments welcome.

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From: akwy@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Alan Kin Wah YIM)
Subject: HKPA.POPSTARS- Recently posted pictures in ftp sites
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:43:37 GMT

HONG KONG PICTURES ARCHIVE - POPSTAR COLLECTION (HKPA.POPSTARS)
===============================================================
NEW UPLOADS
===========

Newly posted HKPA.POPSTARS pictures are uploaded to ftp sites:
nic.funet.fi [128.214.6.100]	in directory /pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/HKstar
asia.lcs.mit.edu [18.52.0.62]	in directory /pub/hongkong/hkpa/popstars

Please allow 2-3 days delay on availability due to validation process by ftp
admins.

The GIF pictures are:
Posted filename		HKPA.POPSTARS convention
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mcheung05.gif		mcheung05.gif
vchow06.gif		vchow06.gif
vchow07.gif		vchow07.gif
dwan01.gif		dwan01.gif
rkwan03.gif		rkwan03.gif

From guess directory:
Posted filename		HKPA.POPSTARS convention
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
kyyeung01.gif		fyuen01.gif

Many thanks to those who help me solve the English name of Yuen Kit-Ying...

The filenames in ftp sites are in HKPA.POPSTARS naming convention format.

Contents of new GIF pictures:

mcheung05.gif	Maggie Cheung Man-Yuk (Miss HK 1983)		   512x512x256
		Contributor: David So at Rutgers University
vchow06.gif	Vivian Chow Wai-Man in white dress		   670x560x256
		Contributor: Johnny Kam at UBC-CPSC
vchow07.gif	Facial portrait of Vivian Chow Wai-Man		   378x527x256G
		Contributor: Johnny Kam at UBC-CPSC
fyuen01.gif	Half portrait of Fanny Yuen Kit-Ying		   241x372x256G
		Contributor: David So at Rutgers University
dwan01.gif	Half portrait of Deric Wan Siu-Lun in blue shirt   569x466x256
		& tie, carrying a briefcase on his back
		Contributor: Chi-Yin Robert Chong
rkwan03.gif	Rosamund Kwan Chi-Lam				   510x738x256
		Contributor: Chi-Yin Robert Chong

Contributions are welcome. Please read README.DONORS in directory
/pub/hongkong/hkpa/popstars		of ftp site: asia.lcs.mit.edu OR
/pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/HKstar	of ftp site: nic.funet.fi
for contribution rules, how to uuencode and contribute pictures.
However, the easiest method is to uuencode the picture file and mail it to
Thomas Wong <twong@civil.ubc.ca>. Contributors must not upload the files to ftp 
sites themselves. All types of picture file format are welcome. We will convert
them to GIF format.

The list of frequently asked questions for HKPA is now available in the
following places:
Newsgroups:	soc.culture.hongkong, news.answers
Ftp site:	asia.lcs.mit.edu, path name is /pub/hongkong/hkpa/FAQ

Thank you for supporting HKPA.POPSTARS. Please keep it alive.

Alan of HKPA.POPSTARS (formerly HKPGCS).
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From: g25@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: HOW TO BE COOL?!
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:22:26 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University


I wrote this short prose for a friend's birthday, just for fun.

	HOW TO BE COOL?
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	Everyone can be cool,
	but you never learn this in school.

	Cool is, to dress in style, not too wild.
	It's not essential to get rid of smile.
	Either can dance or have good musical sense.

	Walk in a regular pace, stand with a natural pose,
	eyes straight at the most.

	Learn how to withhold, show what you need to show,
	never overflow!

	by M.Y.Lam (June, 1992)

Any comment? Objection? Let me know.
Garfield said, "Am I cool or what?!"
Have fun to be cool.

Michelle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: ystan@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: * * M U S I C * *
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:41:02 GMT

g25@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:


>It's nice to see a lot of opinion from different people.  I've learned
>something from there too!  I should say that I'm not a "complete" jazz
>fan because I did not go into traditional jazz very much.  I tried to
>listen to Benny Goodman and Louis Armstrong and decided I don't like 
	How about Oscar Peterson, Herb Ellis, Ella Fitzgerald ...

>them.  I prefer to those purely intrumental jazz music better.  Does
>anyone of you like The Crusaders and Grover Washington Jr.?  If you
>do, we really get the same taste.  In fact they are of two different
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Haven't had the chance to listen to The Crusaders yet. But I
really love it's former members, ie Joe Sample & Larry Carlton. if you
like Grover Washington Jr., I think you might like Sadao Watanabe, and
maybe David Sanborn.


>types, Grover likes to play a lot more improvision and the former
>one is more easy listening.

>Listening to music is totally personal.  It's a matter of taste.  We
>cannot say those music we don't like is bad.  I think I've mentioned
>this before, music is an art form, which expresses people's emotion,
>ideas or even culture.  From music, we can learn many things.

>This is my musical sense, how's that?


It's all very personal.

>here's on

Cheers,
Yi Shiau

>Michelle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: HK girls (RE: CHINESE WIVES ARE GOOD?)
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:27:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.121223.5697@gw.wmich.edu> 31he@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>	
>	Probably it is somehow true. The same thing happened here, most of the
>	HK girls got this kind of comments or gave this kind of image. However
>	I had one close girlfriend from HK, she is very different from the
>	others, of course the point of view to the world is still somehow
>	practical or little bit narrow, but she is smart, get 3.9 GPA, never
>	gossip to any other people. Thus she seldom be with the other HKers. So
>	I should say it depends every individual, probably overall HK girls are
>	a little bit Materialical, but there do exist outstanding ones.
>
>	The one I loved once and will never forget is from HK, he is the
	    ^^^
		??? Is that a guy or.....?  

>	outstanding one among those HKers here, and quite some HK girls like
>	him, yet he chose me the outsider, and his friends(guys & some girls)
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		   
>	admire him for this too. 

		??? Excuse me, but are you a female or....???

---Hmhmhm,
	Bill
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From: wing@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Mr. Raymond Chan)
Subject: Re: * * M U S I C * *
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.225149.2245@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> g25@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>Nowadays, as I noticed, jazz is penetrating over time.  You people might
>not know that there are jazz music all around you.  For example, the
>title music of the cartoon "pink panther", old movies of Charlie Chaplin
>such as "the entertainer", some Cantonese songs by Kenny B (I'm sure he
>is a fan of Kenny G.), Jacky Cheung, more and more saxophone sound 
>appears in Chinese songs, movies and commercials.
>
>I don't believe that any of you have never heard of the piece "The maple
>leaf rag", a ragtime jazz classic!  But the point is, not many people
>realise its name and its musical type.
>
>See, what I'm trying to say is that jazz is not that "out of touch",
>it's friendly like pop music.
>
>If any of you are interested, we can discuss some more about this, and
>of course, about any other kinds of music.  I wanted to say something
>on rap talk too, but to what I knew, not many Hong Kong people like it,
>so I kind of dropped this.
>
>"Be coooooool and open minded."
>
>Michelle

You are right. I like Jazz but the problem is that I don't know where to
start!
	Sometimes, we heard beatiful jazz music in movies and
advertisment. However, we never know the performer or the title. So,
never have chance to hear that again.
	For a beginner, like me, knowing what to listen is the main
problem I encounter. There are thousands of jazz music, old and new,
which one is good is difficult to determine by just seeing the title.
	I am a classical music fan. I have no problem to know which
piece is good and which composer is good in my style of listening.
Since, many books are about classical music and looking for a chance
to hear classical music is not difficult, enjoying that will be easy.
	Would anybody give me some advice on how to start and
determine which jazz performer is good or which piece is good?

So long, farewell......

Raymond
9-10-92.

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From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu)
Subject: Re: ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
Keywords: dog god
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:57:15 GMT

ecuzq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr B H Y Tseng) writes:

>In article <1992Oct11.130813.2035@uxmail.ust.hk> bi_kin@uxmail.ust.hk (HoiFung JACK @>-`) writes:
>>
>>			IS THE GOD ALMIGHTY?
>>			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	** DOG'S THEOREM:  	The God is not all-powerful **
>>
>>Proof:
>>	Assume the God is all-powerful.
>>	Thus, the God has the power to do anything
>>	=> the God has the power to create a mass which HE cannot lift
>>	   up
>>	=> the God cannot lift up a mass
>>	=> the God is not all-powerful
>>
>>		!!!!CONTRADICTION!!!!
>>
>>	=> Completed the proof of DOG'S THEOREM by contrapositivity.
>>
>>    @@@@  WELCOME ANY DOGS PLACING DOG'S COMMENTS ON DOG'S THEORM  @@@@

>This is a really old so called "proof" but it was discussed in numerous
>jounals of philosophy that it is not a paradox. The traditional way
>not omnipotent.
<<DELETE>>
>This is not a philosophical question, it's only a language game, and
>was discussed 10 to 15 years ago. Please read more journals and books
>about this.

  Well, the above proof is logical, and much more then a language
game. In fact, to prove Halting Problem is not solvable by Turing
Machine use the same techique. Of course, that proof uses much precise
mathmatical approch. (If you don't know what Halting Problem is, take
a graduate level computer sciense algorithm course or, a graduate
level mathmatical logic course.)

  From the above conclusion is: The assuming god doesn't exist.
However, I guess this cannot disprove the existance of the God. I
don't want to start any thing here, the only suggestion I want to give
is: If you really want to know who God is, what characters he has,
please read the Bible and go to church to find out the answer.

  steve
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From: wongle@ecf.toronto.edu (WONG LEO)
Subject: Re: * * M U S I C * *
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:37:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.225149.2245@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> g25@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>Nowadays, as I noticed, jazz is penetrating over time.  You people might
>not know that there are jazz music all around you.  For example, the
>title music of the cartoon "pink panther", old movies of Charlie Chaplin
>such as "the entertainer", some Cantonese songs by Kenny B (I'm sure he
>is a fan of Kenny G.), Jacky Cheung, more and more saxophone sound 
>appears in Chinese songs, movies and commercials.
>
>I don't believe that any of you have never heard of the piece "The maple
>leaf rag", a ragtime jazz classic!  But the point is, not many people
>realise its name and its musical type.
>
>See, what I'm trying to say is that jazz is not that "out of touch",
>it's friendly like pop music.
>
>If any of you are interested, we can discuss some more about this, and
>of course, about any other kinds of music.  I wanted to say something
>on rap talk too, but to what I knew, not many Hong Kong people like it,
>so I kind of dropped this.
>
>"Be coooooool and open minded."
>
>Michelle

Agreed.  Jazz is a very prominent type of music which many other music-
styles tend to mimic or copy.  I think if you play a musical instrument,
or taken vocals, you'll appreciate the different styles a lot more.  

I've yet to hear a good Chinese rap song, yet.  You wanna write one?

Zooey..


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From: mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Weekly Love Story -- No. 1
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:39:44 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston


	Let's call the guy #A, his girlfriend #B and #C the girl whom he
did not start anything with but loves.  
	I don't know whether to call #A a lucky man or unlucky man.  He is
lucky because he has someone who obviously loves him, and he himself has
grown to love.  Life should be fine and dandy, right?  Well, it seems that
#A is suffering from a common male ailment, striving to be a "hero".  It
doesn't mean brave in the strictest sense, but rather it means that #A is
trying to do the "right" thing viewed by the secular society.  If he
decided to develope the relationship with #C, then the world around him
would point fingers at him as a guilty criminal.  Well, in this case, I
would have to admit that I feel #A should have given more thought to
himself, rather than thinking how other people will respond.
	That's why I say #A is also unlucky.  In any relationship there is
responsibility.  I don't mean responsibility in terms of sticking to one
partner, but responsible in terms of making the whole relationship a happy
one for both the guy and gal.  #B is obviously happy(well, not if she
knows about #C!!!), but #A definitely isn't.  Why?  Because of a false
sense of doing the right thing.  Actually in the present situation, two
people are suffering, but if #A had done otherwise, less people might feel
miserable.  
	So, here it is #A, next time, do what you want(within reasonable
limits:  don't kill and plunder, etc.), what makes you happy?  Think about it.

			Deep thoughts,
			 DR. LEMON from Canada
                         International Lonely Hearts Club
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: MADLY IN LOVE WITH HER!!!!
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:34:56 GMT

In article <1b4gddINN2co@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>In article <ldbeuiINNf2n@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> 
>MLT wrote:
>>dear crazy boy,
>>"girl is like a shadow. if you chase it, it will runway
>> if you leave it alone, then it will chase after you"

>Sorry, I left her alone, and she left me alone, and now,
>we're both alone! :)

	Pretty sad.....

	The "girl is like a shadow" "nonsense"(sorry) could've 
	worked well under a certain amount of sun light... :-)
 
>I don't think leaving her alone will accomplish much, unless
>you've already gotten her interested in you (then, that's a
>different story...perhaps guys should play hard to get :)

	Agree absolutely.
 
---Cheers,
	Bill
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From: onward@fsg.com (Onward Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Jazz club in HK? (was Re: * * M U S I C * *)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:13:29 GMT
Organization: Fusion Systems Group, New York City

albert@INSL.McGill.CA (Albert Pang) wrote::
>
>Can somebody recommend some jazz club in Hong Kong?  I would like to
>visit some next time when I am in Hong Kong.
>

I don't think there are any Jazz Clubs per se, but the following places
do have live jazz:

a) J.J.'s - Grand Hyatt Hotel - there are so many sections to this
   place that you'll probably take a few minutes to find the Jazz bar
   once you're inside.   Tends to be VERY crowded weekends.

b) Oasis Lounge - New World Harbour View.  Jazz after 8pm.  Worth a
   visit if just for the view.  Happy hour 5:30pm to 8pm, 1/2 price
   drinks.  Try going on a stormy night for effect.


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From: ecuzq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr B H Y Tseng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: ooOO dOG AND GOd OOoo
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:18:36 +0100
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Keywords: dog god

In article <3348@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>In article <1bbuukINNfrf@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ecuzq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr B H Y Tseng) writes:
>|>
>|> This is a really old so called "proof" but it was discussed in numerous
>|> jounals of philosophy that it is not a paradox. The traditional way
>|> to answer is that God could not create something which is logically
>|> impossible but that doesn't affect his omnipotence.
>
>By definition, omnipotence does mean having unlimited power and I suppose it
>can be extended to logically impossible task. Otherwise, one has to accept God
>is not omnipotent. The important thing is that why do people think that a
[deleted]

Well, the God's power is not mechanical, it's personal. When we talk about
God's power, we cannot separate it from His other attributes, namely,
Love, Righteousness, etc. Also, if God couldn't create a squared circle,
you may call Him not omnipotent according to your definition, but I doubt
your definition would be accepted by most philosophers.

>|> This is not a philosophical question, it's only a language game, and
>|> was discussed 10 to 15 years ago. Please read more journals and books
>|> about this.
>
>It must be more than 10 to 15 years ...

Well, there is a book written by Richard Swinburne, called "The
Coherence of Theism". It was published in the late seventies.
The above question is well discussed. Also see books written by
A. Plantinga.
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From: u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong)
Subject: Re: HK comics: Tin Ha
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 06:39:33 GMT

stephen@lsil.com (Stephen Lee 8941) writes:

>It seems that Ma Wing Shing's "Wind, Cloud" story
>in Tin Ha is going to end in about 2-3 issues, with
>wind & cloud fighting each other at this point.

>Anyone want to speculate on the ending?

>---
>---- Stephen Lee	Tel (408) 433-8941	Email:stephen@lsil.com
>---- Cubicle 18, 2nd floor, Bld. 1525
No Steve,didn't you  read what Ma said in the back of the book,"Wind+cloud" is
going to continue the way it is ,the stuff about ending at 100 is shit(I can
understand that,who is that stupid to end the best-selling comic in HK?)
The ending?
I guess wind is going to die and "cloud" will live(since Ma loves "cloud" and
"no-name" so much,because they both looks like Wah-hero)

are you  planning to buy that "Wind-Cloud original draft collection"?
u9259236@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
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