From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Hinting Wizard Update
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:43:02 GMT

ROWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET () writes:
: Ran into the Wizard again. This time he visited my abode
: and spoke nothing but occult for a straight twenty-four
: hours. On the way to my house, he performed a demonstration/
: experiment that I initially refused to participate in
: due to the apparent foolheartiness of its requirements.
: 
: The demonstration had very positive results, but I can not
: discuss it with you beause what we were investigating was
: something really, really, really, really messed up.

Yeah, right.

: Sadly, it turns out that the Wizard is involved in a local
: "lodge," which is causing him a significant amount of grief.

Why? Isn't he strong enough to run his own life?

: He believes that this lodge has members everywhere who can hear
: what he says. These people gave him drugs as part of an
: initiation which had the effect of low grade acid.

So, what would the drug do? It certainly would not affect him for
more than a few hours.

: I have learned that while the Wizard has been involved with
: this group for over a year, he does not know the identity
: or the face of the lodge's leader. I advised him that any lodge
: whose leader remains anonymous to its own initiates can not
: possibly be honorable.

And, how do you know this is true?  To how may secret lodges have
you belonged?

: There is no way to know the worthiness or unworthiness of a cult
: you're thinking of joining, if you are not permitted to look into
: the eyes of the ringleader.

See above.

: My advice to him was that he needs no teacher, since he already
: knows much more than these negative individuals. Any comments
: on cults/lodges/sects/schizms that use initiation to fuck with
: people's minds, play power games, and use unwitting doses without
: telling the initiate what he is taking?

Once again - how do you have a snowballs chance in hades of knowing
this? Are you a member? If not, you have no way of judging them -
except by the possibly highly biased statements made by "wizard".

Feeding someone a drug without their knowledge, to me, is inexcuseable.
But, you do not know that this occurred, unless you were there.

: The Church of the SubGenius used to distribute " 'Bob*s' Pills "
: to initiates, which had to be ingested on faith alone. The Book
: of the SubGenius stated that the pills contained in part "Frop,"
: short for Habifropzipulaps, which they say is "not a drug," but
: also, they say, causes an effect from which "you never come down."
: 
: These pills, I theorize, are only vitamins or placebos. The "Liquid
: Slack" they drink at devivals is only Thunderbird wine, I have learned.

What does it matter - if they have the desire effect. The CotSG members
all have their tongues firmly in their cheeks anyway. 

: BTW, the Wizard is not officially involved with the People of "Bob."
: He is caught up in some stupid arrogant corruption of Masonry.

Sigh - once again, you have no way of knowing. 

As, I believe, someone else said in a different response. Go away,
learn something real, then come back.

Bill
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