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From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:09:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr7.000947.10790
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
>controlled logging, and maybe, you will understand once and for all,
>why the whole issue has been blown out of proportion to make us
>accountable for what is essentially the developed nations' mistakes.
>Open your mind, and try seeing how some developed nations are using
>the logging issue to hide the lack of steps taken by their government
>to fight global warming.  Your ignorance and willingness to trust some
>foreign governments make me sick!!  If I were you, I would take all
>the precautionary steps not to reproduce because your children will
>turn out to be just like you -- unfaithful, and easily taken in by the
>propaganda of other governments.
>
>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>their propaganda or their pressures...
>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

It is your freedom to express what you think. But your article makes me sick.
I think it is time for you to treat your fellow Malaysian as mature aldult.
Saudara NorAazizam, We can judge what is right from wrong. At least, we are
trying to look at the problems and try our very best to solve it. Anybody
who has stayed in Malaysia and know the logging industry will tell you  that
we do not need the western or Malaysia propanganda to know the truth. I think 
that people who are responsible and dare to say what is wrong should produce
more because they make the world a better place to live. How are going to explain to your next generation for what you have just said? We are not condeming 
you or any certain race but the corrupted politician and the logging tycoons.
Therefore, I strongly urge you to stick to your word, stop reproduce because
you are the one that is not faithful and irresponsible to the Malaysian people
but faithful to the corrupted politicians and the logging tycoons!

T-P Loh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eduardo@eng.umd.edu (Eduardo H. Guiraud)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:42:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr15.201203.15450@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	
>	I hate to nitpick but the official name given to the October
>event is G.30.S/PKI, and not G30S-PKI...   :-)
>
        30.S is for 30th of September, so it is not October event..  :-)

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: roach's plea for Zam
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.184339.20249@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:
>duke is not my mentor and i  am not a racist,
>but my emotions do get the better of me at times.
>but duke did get some votes and that tells you how 
>much outright support he gets.  what about those that
>in other states that are only partially racist?  you
>could almost include about 80% of all whites!

How do you support your claim? Intuition? 
Even if that is the truth, are we to condone to a racist if we come across one,
just because there's so many more in the world?

>i don't defend zam's accusations, i just think it better

Make up your mind. I thought you said that what Zam is saying is the truth, eh?

>to treat him differently.  
>you can face reality or ignore it and face the consequences
>of my wrath.....that, my friends is my cause ......roach

Sounds more like you are a conformist rather than someone who is trying to 
make a difference. Again, facing reality is one thing, giving in to racism is
another. what is your cause? that we all lay back and die since there is
nothing we can do about it?

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
From: vcs_teo@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (VCS Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:47:38 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

In article <1992Apr8.ledang01@ledang.gunung> panglima@ledang.gunung (Panglima Potong Telor) writes:
>Well you should not be too surprise zam resort to such
>lowly phrases to get his point across. Seasoned s.c.a
>readers would have known his character.  There is no 
>point debating or reasoning with him.  As you all have 
>noticed lately he is very fond of #$%^^&.  Another point
>is he has in other discussion regarding the Malaysian
>racial problem a long long time back stated that he
>hate Chinese.  With that phrase, I don't think there is
>any point reasoning with him.  Well if the castration 
>law is pass, perhaps he should be the first to be tested
>on 8)
>
>Panglima Potong Telor

Aaahduiii......!!!!  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:44:27 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.151909.9952@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> aman@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Amril Aman) writes:

>>>
>>>
>>>What I was refering to was the systematic extermination of the
>>>communists after the failed coup.  
>>
>>Now, we get the fact that your accusation of GENOCIDE and killing
>>of chinese people by the government of Indonesia is baseless
>>and false.   

>Whether you can justify it or not, the systemetic killing of
>a group of people just because they do not share the same
>political views as you do is GENOCIDE.  Go see a dictionary.
>The people killed during the coup is not genocide.  It is
>the killing of the people AFTER the coup that is considered 
>genocide.  Wanna guess how many got killed?

>>I also hope that you (and also everybody) do the homework before
>>submitting your posting.  Do not talk about something that
>>you don't know about.  Do some reading first before writing your
>>posting.  This shows your maturity.  Thank you. 

>Maybe you should go look in a dictionary before you post :-).

Well....I think *YOU* should go look in a dictionary before you post.
Here is according to *two* of my dictionaries:

gen-o-cide: The act of killing a *WHOLE* group of people. Especially
            a *WHOLE* race.
gen-o-cide: The systematic killing of a *WHOLE* people or nation

I want to know what *your* dictionary define genocide!

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The same suggestion I gave to Azizam, I give it to you too.
If you don't know you ask. If you're not so sure put question mark.
*If* you have a dictionary, look at it before your post :-)

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singapore politicians' salary
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:02:01 GMT
Originator: jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu

Could someone please correct me if the following is wrong information:

I heard that on the average, Singapore politicians that hold
public office are making S$30,000 per month !
Yes thirty thousand dollars per MONTH.
This is done to lure bright people into politics and to prevent
corruptions.

It does sound like a great strategy for a rich country with relatively
small number of politicians if it is true.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (OhMeGa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: roach's lame excuse
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:21:06 GMT
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (OhMeGa)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: omega@happy.cc.utexas.edu

If you are offended by the following posting, then is time for you
to step out of the lab and get some sun. HONESTLY.

----- from roach -----

>duke is not my mentor and i  am not a racist,
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Amen.

>but my emotions do get the better of me at times.
>but duke did get some votes and that tells you how 
>much outright support he gets.  what about those that
>in other sttes that are only partially racist?  you

Now, now, highly illogical my roach. Insects infested the earth, but you
don't see insects ruling the world do you ? (although some even attempted
to corrupt the net, but that is ONLY a BUG, hardly significant in any
sense). What is right has nothing to do how many people believe in it. 
Aristotle and his whole gink gangs believed in the earth being the center
of the universe, that didn't stop Galelio from investigating the truth
did it ? Trivially, converse is also true.

>could almost include about 80% of all whites!

Phew, for a nano-second I actually going to believe in YOUR figure, try 
harder, may be next time don't round off the figure, yah ?! try 79.97% ?

>i don't defend zam's accusations, i just think it better
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to treat him differently.  so the morons are people like
>you and NOT Zam.

Interesting conclusion, those who think differently than you do is
a moron. Now, atleast I was honest to come right out to call YOU
a pile of SH*T, don't get offended, I am ONLY being HONEST. Look into
a mirror for proof.

>you can face reality or ignore it and face the consequences
>of my wrath.....that, my friends is my cause ......roach

You know, may be if you construct your version of reality in a machine,
it too will crash. 

Squash, squash, 

roach killer.
From: 2frpslant@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Personal Experience of Racism
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:13:55 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr6.155410.21727@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.031320.4553@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>>Firdaus says,
> 

>>>i have never heard of so much crap saying that non malays can't work
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>for the gov. 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Neither have I until I read the letter.  Gosh, where is our society 
>>heading to?
> 
> 
> 	I believe, there are some new-bloods in the Department who
> believe that the way to fighting discriminations by the Chinese
> businesses on the Malays is by discriminating the Chinese WRT the
> government's jobs.  It is a perfectly sensible countermeasure to fight
> discriminatory practises by the Chinese businessmen.
> 
> ===------ 
> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
> The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
> promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                         Red Cloud


Oh my! Does this mean we should all discrimate against the other races
since this is the "PERFECTLY SENSIBLE COUNTERMEASURE ?" and all the 
previous discussions in this net (about racism) just went into the
trash...rubbish dump...waste basket...drain...tong sampah... !??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies & NS ...
Organization: Merrill Lynch Debt Markets
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.202043.29158@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:
|> In article <KYTAN.92Apr7111145@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>, kytan@mantra.fia.dmg
|> ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes...
|> > 
|> >.....  BTW, brain drain is not a reason for migration,
|> >brain drain is a RESULT of migration.
|> > 
|> are you sure?
|> in the beginning, brain drain is a result of migration.
|> but as it got worst,  it is no more a matter of re-servist
|> causing problems or what not.
|> as more and more people migrate, everybody follows. why?
|> you first make an assumption that the rich and educated are
|> able to assess the asian situation (likelihood of war) better
|> than the middle/lower class.  word gets out and as a result,
|> brain drain becomes a reason for migration!!!
|> follow the rich and you are unlikely to be wrong -- if you're
|> fast enough!

But there is no war threatening Singapore!!  There has been a rabid lunatic or two posting to this newsgroup but such people are few and far between and, 
fortunately, not in power.  People have generally left for the greater freedoms
afforded in Western nations and you'd be surprised how many of those overseas
are "average joes," to coin an American phrase.  You see, Singapore has this
"thing" about pieces of paper certifying that so-and-so is a gen-u-ine Ph.D. no
matter how much out of water that person is in the REAL world.  So, the book
smart tend to want to STAY in Singapore because of the perks they have.  After
all, why spoil a good thing, right?  It's us ...um... mental midgets, 
comparatively speaking, who tend to want to get away from the arrogance of the
overly IQ-ridden.  :-)

|> but, i admit that migration is a problem no matter what the 
|> resultant force that caused it.
|> 

I concur.

|> ps. i am sad no replies focused on my  canadian border nude
|>     table top dancers.  so it is true what they say about 
|>     asians --- always studying and no fun!

Uh...what did you expect?  Horrified puritanism? 
 
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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Proposed Islamic Laws in Kelantan
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:08:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr8.200830.23308
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <920407215212.21a080ef@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU> AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR) writes:
>Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
>expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???
>
>Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??
>
>I vote for both. 

	The punishment should be as prescribed by the Kuran; you know,
our holy book...

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: fhchua@athena.mit.edu (Fei Hai Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: a thought
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:53:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr14.035344.22489
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.143532.14435@rice.edu> hanlin@is.rice.edu (HanLin Goh) writes:
>I think if we kept a record of Mr. NorAzizam's outbursts on s.c.a.
>for the past few months, he can kiss all hope of a political future
>goodbye. I for one would sure hate to see him wielding political
>power. After all, didn't he say "let the Malaysian army loose on
>the Chinese"? (And that was one of his nicer moments too)  :)

I am not sure if you will be the first person doing so...  8-)
I had this idea in mind one + year ago.


Anyway, hope things will come to an end (??) soon. Some of us sure need
a peaceful Malaysia and s.c.a.

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From: KyleHor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: singaporean's "we" dilemma
Keywords: we
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:05:03 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Apr9.214626.28049@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (= G e r m a i n =) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr9.203301.22870@natinst.com> fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:
|> >In article <1992Apr9.201912.8247@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
|> >
|> >> you S'poreans out there :  ARE "WE" S'POREANS PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY, despite all
|> >> its limitations and policies?  Let me be the first to answer that :"Yes"
|> >
|> >Not wanting to sound like cliche, YOU CAN BET ROACH'S BORNY A*S on this, and
|> >yes is the answer.
|> >
|> >-Osbert (RAID)
|> >-- 
|> 
|> 
|> Hmmm... I am not a citizen, but am a PR in Singapore (and I live there, so home
|> to me is Singapore).
|> 
|> If the question applies to PRs too, I'd answer Yes!   *grin*
|> 
|> 
|> -Germain.
|> 

Count me in.

...Kyle
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: bored beyond belief!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:23:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuscc.1992Apr16.032346.17262
Organization: National University of Singapore


WELL SAID !!!

Its about time we moved on. I was getting abit tired of
it all too, especially since there are other things to
move on to. Talking about societies, men and women and
children in Southeast asia is a pretty good idea. Trust
me reading soc.men and soc.women ain't going to help
you much where the SEA situation is concerned. At the most
they might blast you for being 'old-fashioned', 'conservative'
or worse they might label you 'uncivilized'.

- Suzaina (an asian and proud of it)
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:02:24 GMT



I'm not a malaysian but am a Muslim.

As in many many other instances, religion has been
used over and over again for reasons that are not
at all religious in nature.

Of course it is hypocrasy but its not something new.

The very existent of sultans over and above the law
is already a paradox when you start to bring in Islamic
law that recognises equality for all.

The final point is that it is *rarely* religion.
It is *really* politics and power.

- Suzaina

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:36:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.194824.4636@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.032908.8818@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>>I wonder what would the Jews think of Mr Zam? I hope that you are not condoning
>>to what Hitler did....but boy, you sure sound as if you do.....
>>
>>What might we have here? Another Hitler perhaps?
>>
>>>
>>>===------ 
>>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 (maybe a Nazi)
>  N  A ZI
>
>May be he is.

You poor, braindead lump of stinking protoplasm.  Since I am always
kind to the handicapped, I will once again say:

"Go fuck yourself, you little fascist"

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (= G e r m a i n =)
Subject: Re: Important:PLEASE read.
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:22:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.181145.15150@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.200258.54398@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>In article <73635@netnews.upenn.edu>, choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG) writes:
>>> Dear fellow Malaysians,
>>
>> [some stuff deleted]
>>
>>> 
>>> 	We should stop replying to people like Zam because he does not seem to
>>> understand the basic manners of discussion in the network. Because of their
>>> behavior, much  unnecessary enery and anger have been unleashed among members
>>> of the network when all these energy should have been channeled into discussing
>>> all sides of the issues.
>>>
>>>	[Some sutff deleted] 
>>> 
>>> 	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
>>> TOM
>>
>>	I share your sentiment about the boycott.  But on the other hand,
>>Zam is the only one who is providing most of the "entertainment" in this net.
>>Let face it, you will think species like that will be spending its time
>>rolling in the mud with other swine instead of attending MIT. (I wonder
>>should the admission officer be sued for neglience ?)
>
>	This poor, snivelling geek, yammering out his
>brain-damage-induced hatred for five lines, absolutely convinced that
>his words were so important that everyone (anyone) would read them --
>what a pathetic sight.  We've gone well beyond the "get a life" stage
>here.  It's time for euthanasia.
>
>	Get lost, you geeky chink
>			    ^^^^^


Hey, wait a sec guys and gals, isn't this the same guy that 
said, "I only tell racist pigs to goto hell, not nice people" ??
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong - I think it was a posting
from last week).

Hmmm.... if I remember that correctly, then I'M CONFUSED!!

Alamak... I must be an IDIOT too since I am Chinese.  *sigh*


-GW.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:07:48 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr7.190513.29795@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	Of course you can, comrade Loh!  You and your ilks live by the
>premise that everything that the Malaysian government does is wrong.
>You know why?  Because you are born with a hypocrite gen, and there is
>no way anyone can do that can change your attitude towards the
>government.  Why don't you all do us a favor and migrate to Hong Kong,
>because that is probably what you have been aiming for all your time.
>Malaysia will be better off with people whose loyalty is with Malaysia
>and not with other states like Singapore, RPC, Taiwan or Hong Kong.

Better still, why don't YOU migrate to Indonesia?  Afterall, you fancy the
system, where everyone has assimiliated together.  In fact, why don't
people LIKE you (such as our stupid PM) migrate to Indonesia.  You can
chop down all the trees there, I don't care.  In fact, why don't you
migrate to Saudi Arabia.  Yeah you can CHOP down every tree in Saudi
Arabia.  No trees you ask?  Well, thats what Malaysia will be like
by the turn of the century.

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