HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: drela@athena.mit.edu (Mark Drela)
Subject: Human-powered hydrofoil record
Keywords: HPV
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:29:41 GMT

Kjirste Carlson, an MIT graduate student who rides for the MIT Cycling Team,
set a new women's speed record for human-powered watercraft:

13.86 knots (16 mph)  average over a 100 meter course

The record was set on the MIT hydrofoil vehicle "Decavitator" on the
Charles River Basin in rather unfavorable crosswind conditions.  
The record is unofficial until certified by the IHPVA.

                   Mark Drela
             _______________________________
    o/LO  .' 
     O  .'  Gravity-Powered Technologies Lab 
      .'  MIT Aero-Astro Department  33-214
     '



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:06:50 GMT

In article <Bw0s9H.LK9@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>
>i occasionally give two quick toots on the horn when i'm about
>200 or 300 feet away.  that way the rider won't be startled,
>and knows someone is coming.  usually i do it when there are
>two abreast; this gives bicyclists plenty of time to line up.
>
>do bicyclists consider this kind of warning okay?
>

  When two abreast, and hundreds of feet away, sure.  I'd be afraid
to make this a general habit, though, because on any road within
100 mi of the Bay, the constant stream of barking cars would quickly
become a real annoyance.  I wonder of Olbers' Paradox applies to
sound...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca (Sean P Goggin)
Subject: Bike Permits, Info wanted.
Organization: U36 Research
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:51:41 GMT
Distribution: na

Greetings All,

Does your community have a bicycle licence or permit ?

How much does it cost ?

How long is it valid for ?

Does it provide any tangible benefit to you ?
	e.g. anti-theft control, recovery after theft, 
	     verification of local bicycle population.

Please email sp@bbi.kwnet.on.ca and I'll post a summary.

Thanks,

	SP
	     	


Sean P. Goggin
251, Bridge Street West, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2K 1L1
Voice +1 519 746 7535 Fax +1 519 747 2933 
email sp@bbi.kwnet.on.ca;sp@u36.uucp        N 43 29' 30" W 80 30' 15"
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1: 30p)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:14:30 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Oct8.230751.401@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>
[stuff about bicyclists not hearing M/C's coming up behind them]


Every time we approach bicyclists, we should sneak up behind them and
BLAST the FIAMMS at 'em. B-}

=============================================================================
Neal Howard (neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org)        CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson,TX)
DoD #686   '91 XLH-1200      '70 Kawasaki G4-100cc    '69 Cougar XR7-GT390
	   Ensoniq VFX-SD    Kramer Pacer guitar      '70 429CJ(needs a home)
Disclaimer: The only above mentioned toys I play with on the below mentioned
	    Friday nights are the musical ones 8*}
"how often you get much more drunk than you ought to on a Friday night...
...about once a week" -  Tom Yates
=============================================================================
From: nho@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Another accident/cop story
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:15:25 GMT
Reply-To: nho@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University, Dept. of Biological Sciences

In Lafayette, IN on October 7th there was another cyclist that was hit
by a motorist and critically injured.  He was riding legally and in the
strictest sense of the phrase "as far to the right as practicable."  An
82 yr old woman got a bee caught in her hair and took both hands off of
the wheel to shake off the bee and ran into the cyclist from behind.  There
were wooden traffic baricades on the grass, near the curb, and out of the
roadway.  These barricades were recently placed there to prohibit parking so
the road could be resurfaced.  This woman went over the curb, hit the baricades
and then ran into the cyclist in the roadway.  She later told police that
she thought that she was only hitting the baricades and did not realize she
also hit the cyclist.
	I pressed the cop for his reasons for not citing her for reckless
driving or any other type of infraction.  He told me that there was nothing he 
could legally charge her with.  There is no law against "careless driving by
idiots" and the legal definition of reckless driving has specific points in
it that did not apply to this case.  I then asked if the situation would have
been different if the injured person had been a child on the sidewalk instead
of a cyclist and he said no, that the situation would have been the same.  I
then asked why her license was not revoked and the cop told me that in his
opinion this was a "freak" accident and she was not impaired.  He also told
me that with the court dockets so full "what jury would convict an old 
grandmother".
	I guess that it is time to trudge back into the state vehicle
code or possibly hunt down one of our local bicycle-lawyers.  It seems strange
that you can maim and nearly kill someone and not get charged with anything.
If any of you out there want to murder someone in Indiana, just get them
on a bicycle and find someone to wipe them out with their car.

Norm Olson
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <Bw0s9H.LK9@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>i occasionally give two quick toots on the horn when i'm about
>200 or 300 feet away.  that way the rider won't be startled,
>and knows someone is coming.  usually i do it when there are
>two abreast; this gives bicyclists plenty of time to line up.
>
>do bicyclists consider this kind of warning okay?

Most of the time, I'd rather you didn't; though at least you're far
enough away not to be as bad as some drivers who toot.  Drivers (I'm
one of those, as well as a cyclist) cocooned in their cars don't seem
to realize how loud the metal monsters really are.  

If there's lots of traffic behind me, then I won't be able to hear your
particular car coming, but since I know there are cars (in general)
there, that's OK.  If there's not a lot of traffic, then by the time
you're close enough to see me and toot, I've already known for the past
minute or two that you're coming, and don't really need any more help.
There are a few (obvious) special occasions where the toot might help,
for instance if the road we're on is going past a working quarry or
a railyard, but generally I find horns more annoying than helpful.

Please don't take this as putting you down, just expresses my feeling
about the horn.  Sounds to me like you at least are thinking about the
cyclists, which is more than a lot of drivers do, and which, ultimately,
is a LOT more important to me than whether or not you toot.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:56:48 GMT

jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes:
>bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell) writes:

>>I returned to my waiting companions as the van left and the motorcyclists
>>continued on their way.  Our ride was to continue south on Skyline to Hwy 9,
>>and we joked about maybe avoiding the busy roadway.  Nevertheless, we pressed
>>on.  At the top of the first significant upgrade between Page Mill Rd. and
>>Hwy 9, a group of three motorcyclists came zooming by.  The lead motorcyclist
>>dressed in a red and white leather suit riding a white motorcycle was holding
>>his leg out to the right, bringing his foot to within a foot or two of us.
>>
>>"Did you see that?  What was he trying to do!?", I exclaimed to Bryan who was
>>riding in front of me.
>>
>>"Oh, he's probably just trying to point us out to the guys following him.",
>>Bryan said.  "I wouldn't worry about that."

>I use my leg(s) to point out hazards to riders behind me.  I dunno, maybe
>it's a strange thing to do.  It's hard to see hand signals of somebody
>in race-prone position on a sportbike.  8^)

But still, remember that it will freak out a bicyclist, so it might be a
good idea to allow more distance between your outstretched leg and the
bicycle, lest the bicyclist panic and veer.

>jimb@access.digex.com  | (Cage) 1991 323se     ZCP-710   |     Comus Road

-- 
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~~~~~~~~~~~~ aberigan@nde.unl.edu (Greg Berigan)
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From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:03:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc

hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
>i occasionally give two quick toots on the horn when i'm about
>200 or 300 feet away.  that way the rider won't be startled,
>and knows someone is coming.  usually i do it when there are
>two abreast; this gives bicyclists plenty of time to line up.

>do bicyclists consider this kind of warning okay?

I find it annoying as hell, because I'm generally paying attention, and
can certainly hear a motorcycle approaching me from behind.   The sharp
beep of the horn means to me that I or somebody around me is doing something
wrong, so I tend to be startled by it if I don't think I'm doing anything
out of the ordinary.

My usual assumption when I'm in a car or on a motorcycle and some bicyclists
in front of me don't pull to the side to allow me to pass is that either
there is some safety reason why they won't let me pass, or they're just being
assholes, in which case tooting the horn isn't going to change their
behaviour.   So I usually give them the benefit of the doubt and wait a bit,
and then toot their horn on the theory that they might be clueless, and if
they're just being assholes, they deserve to be startled.

				_MelloN_

Who me?   Opinionated?

--
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From: dkw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Wittenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Environmental Impact of the Car
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:13:23 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University Computer Science

I just saw an ad for a report "The Environmental Impact of the Car"
from Greenpeace.  I haven't read the report.  It's available from 

Greenpeace Transport Campaign
1436  U St. NW
Washington  DC  20009

It costs $5.  Make checks payable to Greenpeace.  I don't know what
the cost is outside the US.

--David Wittenberg
From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Ticketing illegal cycling
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:24:24 GMT
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Northern Telecom NAS, Rochester, NY


Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com wrote this about 
"Ticketing illegal cycling":
>In <5432@gold.gvg.tek.com> jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche) writes:
>
>>You intend to make a right turn,
>>and, since you are afraid you might crash and burn if you take a hand
>>off the bars, you just creep through the stop sign and make a right
>>turn.  Whether you put your foot down and make a legal stop or not,
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Does anyone know of a legal basis for this?  Do any state's
>laws actually require cyclists to put a foot down for a stop
>to be legal?  Or is the generic definition of a stop, e.g.
>"complete cessation of forward movement," all that is
>required of cyclists?

	New York state defines a stop as "complete cessation of movement".
	So, in that case I suppose that you may not breath at a stop sign,
	but if you are not moving, you do not need to put your foot down.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Drafting and Mirrors
From: royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics)
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:57:05 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: royce

In article <1992Oct13.003544.26425@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:
> 
> Like someone else said, I, too, have (and use) a mirror, so I usually have a 
> good idea as to what is going on behind me.
>

I have a mirror, too, and this remark reminded me of a strange incident last
night:

I ride a cheap ATB, and I'm not the fastest rider anywhere, but I passed a
road bike while racing a light (which I made :)).  Anyway, he made the light,
too, and started drafting me.  No problem.

About 1.5 miles later I was 200' from my final left turn.  I looked up in my
mirror and all I could see was this guy's face (gasping :)).  When I looked
over my shoulder, there he was, and I could not see the traffic behind us. 
Pissed me off.  So I slow down from 22 to a FULL STOP before he finally gets
the idea and goes around me.  Then comes the traffic, and I wait a few minutes
to cross two lanes and make a left.

- When drafting, aren't you supposed to take turns, so that if the lead rider
slows down (after more than a mile), you take over?

- If someone in front of you 1) looks in mirror right at you, making eye
contact; 2) looks over shoulder past you; and 3) slows down and moves towards
curb; would you slow down and remain in exact formation?

Of course, this guy was not as annoying as all the wrong-way riders I meet in
the dark, but he was around a lot longer and it seems like he would know
better...........

Oh well, just kvetching:)))

-- 
Royce Myers			EDS Unigraphics
royce@mdcbbs.com 		"Work is the curse of the drinking class"
					-- W. C. Fields
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From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 105 MPH (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:04:55 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <Bw26Gp.BA1@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>In article <73198@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct07.153623.2882051@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>>>
>>>Ahem.... 105 MPH on Skyline happens to be the DoD Nominal Speed...
>>>
>>> * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
>>
>>Ok, I give up.  What the hell does "DoD" stand for.  I don't suppose it's
>>motorcycle for "STI"?
>>-- 
>
>
>What's STI?
>

It's a good thing *YOU* didn't ask "what's DoD" ... we would have to of
killed you.  You know the rules!


>Regards,
>
>============================================================================
>Richard Taylor                 DoD #981                  (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
>"Would you trust a company who have their bits reversed ?".
>============================================================================
>Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1: 30p)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.233403.13059@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>The bicyclist was riding in the middle of the road when a group of
>motorcyclists came up from behind.

Since the witness observed that only the right-hand line of
bikes had to swerve to avoid the bicyclist, this statement
is not supported by the available evidence.  Where there's
no usable shoulder, the bicyclist belongs on the right side
of the traffic lane.  In a "substandard width lane", the
bicyclist is justified in taking the middle of the lane.
See CVC21202.

>The motorcyclists swerved to avoid the bicyclist.  The bicycle and one
>of the motorcycles collided for some reason.  The bicyclist may have
>swerved, or lost control and collided with the motorcycle.  We just
>don't know.

We know that the motorcyclists were driving in an unsafe formation.
They were riding two abreast, which left inadeuate clearance to
swerve to avoid obstacles, and they were following too closely
to allow enough reaction time to avoid obstacles.

>>Why didn't the first motorcyclist passing the bicyclist pass more gradually to
>>give time for his fellow riders to react accordingly?  Why the sudden slice?  I
>>would like to think that the incident I witnessed was just an accident and that
>>there was no malice on the part of one or more motorcyclists.
>
>The bicyclist did something unexpected.

There is nothing in the description of the accident to
suggest this.  The leading riders of the Angels' procession
were negligent for not moving the whole column to the left.
All the motorcyclists were negligent for riding in a
formation that was unsafe at that speed on a twisty road.
There's a slight rise and dip in Skyline at the site of the accident
that could easily hide a bicyclist from drivers coming up the
hill from the south.  There's also a driveway right there,
and a delivery truck or station wagon coming out of the
driveway could have taken out a dozen Angels.

>The bad image is sponsored by the prejudices of non motorcyclists.

And by the motorcyclists who ride too fast on bikes that
are too loud, and who have no clue how their actions are
perceived by others.

>He should ride more carefully.

How?  According to the information we have on the accident,
he was doing exactly what he should have done.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: davevh@microsoft.com (Dave Van Horn)
Subject: Re: HOV abolished!
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:33:50 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

>What will get people out of their cars is a better form of
>transportation -- cheap enough & convenient enough & quick enough.

Agreed, but it's all relative.  You can either try to make something 
else better than the car, or make the car worse.  My reading of the
situation is that the public wants the former, and is usually told
it will get it, but that transit planners see that as unrealistic
and are really planning the latter.  Thus, one big advantage of HOV
lanes, from this point of view, is not that it makes HOVs faster (since
there are so few of those, this hardly affects the total situation at
all) but that it makes SOVs slower.
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From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist; Film at 11
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:48:15 GMT
Reply-To: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

In article <4029@cvbnetPrime.COM>, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:
> I mountain bike every single day that I mountain bike;
>
There's a name for logic like this.  Ever thought of going into politics, Tod?

> ... I also make a damn fine Pot Roast.
>
I don't even think you'd fit in my oven.
  
Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: 105 MPH (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:52:31 GMT

don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:

>In article <73198@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>>Ok, I give up.  What the hell does "DoD" stand for.  I don't suppose it's
>>motorcycle for "STI"?

>Debauchers of Donuts 

>(really it's - denizens of doom)
                             
>Don
>don@island.com

Of course, Don, you'll have to cover your back now.  
Because now we have to kill you.

ward DoD# 0710 


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist...
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
	<1992Oct13.003544.26425@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:25:45


In article <1992Oct13.003544.26425@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:

   When I notice a motor vehicle coming behind me, I
   turn my head to the left to let the vehicle behind me know that I am
   aware of *them*.  

Please, could all bike-riders start to do this?  It would really make me
feel a lot better about passing you...

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
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From: calvert@QueensU.CA (John Calvert)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: HOV abolished!
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:40:56 GMT
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston, Canada

I am confused about the discussion against HOV lanes. I haven't been able
to follow this thread properly. Could someone summarize the problems with
HOV?

THanks,

John Calvert
calvert@mast.queensu.ca
From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Do we have any rights?
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:41:34 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1av2vhINNfte@uwm.edu> rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel) writes:

>A more celebrated case happened five years or so ago in which a
>truck driver running a red light, hit and killed a motorcycle
>policeman while the policeman was waiting to make a left turn.
> ...  He tried to use the defense
>that he was blinded by the sun or some such excuse.

I'm constantly amazed at the excuses they come up with, and the fact that
these cases go to jury trials. If you were blinded by the sun, would you keep
driving?

>I was involved in a case of careless driving where a van driver
>passed me on the left and then made an instant right turn. ...
>My wife asked the police if the van driver would be cited.  They
>said no, "because we did not witness the accident."

This is strange. I was in a similar accident - no, make that was a victim of
careless driving about a year ago. The cop who showed up did cite the driver,
and also gave him a lecture. Most gratifying. The driver was as usual making
noises about "where did he come from" and "just couldn't see him" as I was
writhing on the ground, and I heard one of the witnesses say "What the hell
are you talking about? He was riding along, and you just drove into him! What
do you think he did, hide behind a hedge and jump out in front of you?" I
wanted to sit up and shake his hand.

Get a copy of the local vehicle code, and read up about what the law is
exactly. I've found that even the cops' knowledge of them is sketchy.

-s
--
Henri Desgrange, 1902: "Variable gears are only for people over forty-five.
Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles rather than by the
artifice of a derailleur? We are getting soft. Come on, fellows. Let's say that
the test was a fine demonstration---for our grandparents! As for me, give me a
fixed gear!"

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