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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Edward Gory
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In article <cesnyd01.726331107@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> Cris Snyder,
cesnyd01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu writes:
>Also any info on him in general would be helpful. (Like, is he still
alive?)

There are several anthologies of his work available, and yes, I believe 
he is still alive. However, the spelling of his surname is Gorey. Any 
halfway decent bookshop, even B.Dalton or Waldenbooks, is likely to have 
some of his stuff. Look under humour.

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From: dugan@cs.WPI.EDU (R. Dugan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Coc vs. DnD
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:22:39 GMT
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There is a big difference between CoC and DnD. 

CoC relies heavily on MOOD to set the pace of the game.  You are on the
right track with creepy music, low lights, etc..  In general my runs
tend to start out very normal... almost mundane... there are no
skeletons, no Byahkee, Cthulhu isn't hiding in the closet... you don't
need them if you can set the MOOD.

Stephen King wrote about different types of fear in his book
Danse Macabre.  He said the cheapest, easiest type of fear is achieved
when you go into a room, and under the bright fluorescent lights
you see a hideous, malformed creature with needle-like teeth dripping
putrid, glistening saliva.  The best and most moving kind of
fear is achieved when you go into a room, it's dark, and you hear
something SLIDING... SCRAPING... across the floor.  You have no
idea what it is, and you really, really don't want to know.  

Another thing that sets CoC apart from DnD is the relatively high
mortality rate of characters.  They either die or go insane.
When a character realizes there is a very good chance that the
scraping thing in the room will probably tear his limbs off and
he will die a horrible, painful death... it puts a new perspective
on things.  This creature is not an orc, it is totally alien,  you can't
trade with it or talk with it, it thinks of humans the way we think of
cattle... its ways are mysterious and unpredictable.

Of course... maybe it's just the wind???

Finally, in CoC the characters are fighting a hopeless battle against 
creatures that are far more powerful in every sense: intellect,
strength, technology, and magic.  Many of these creatures have been 
alive for thousands... possibly millions of years.  The lifespan
of a human is but a blip in the timeline of these creatures.
How can anyone hope to defeat them?  When the players begin to realize
the awesome power of their foe... a strange sort of fatalistic 
resolve develops.  Like knights on a hopeless quest to save the 
world... if they don't TRY to stop the bad guys... then the bad 
guys will definitely win.  I've seen players sacrifice their best
characters to stop (at least temporarily) some fiendish plot.

And, when the game is over, if the players don't really want to get
into their dark empty cars and drive those couple of lonely miles 
home... because... well...  just maybe... you've done your job.

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From: ahankin1@cc.swarthmore.edu (A. Luke Hankins)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: horror music
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:14:37 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

i have a four-album collection of Gregorian chants. these have been
_reeaallly_ helpful in spooking players, as well as inspiring while i'm
coming up with scenarios.

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From: cesnyd01@romulus.spd.louisville.edu (Cris Snyder)
Subject: horror music
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:27:39 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Hi guys.  Question : what music do you have that reminds you of Lovecraft's
creepies or just that type of setting?  I want to avoid songs that are
directly related to the mythos, i.e. 'The Thing That Should Not Be' or 
'Call of Ktulu' by Metallica.  I am looking for stuff that can set a mood 
real well.

What I have to offer is - The album Scyncronisity by the Police
the songs on the second side really remind me of the mythos, 
especially 'Tea in the Sahara'. 
I think it has to do with Andy Summers guitar sound with all the 
FX stuff he is using.  'Sycronysity II' has a little eliment of it, 
more of the refrence to Loch Ness and Nessie.  'Mother' is just 
fucked up, but it reminds me of PSYCHO and kinda fits.

On the Doors' 1st album there is a song called 'The Crystal Ship'
which always connected, for me, with Lovecraft's story of the same name. 
Although the song has nothing to do with Lovecraft.  

Insainty reminders :
Ozzy's 'Diary of a Madman' with it's classical intro is one of the 
best 'crazy' songs I know of.  If you can find a copy of the soundtrack
to 'Heavy Metal' listen to the song 'Crazy' by Nazareth - it is almost
a sister song to 'Sanitarium' by Metallica.   Actually I think of 'Crazy' as
the predacecor to 'Sanitarium' if you treat them as a story.

Anything on Floyd's 'Dark Side of The Moon' LP, I belive would fit
to a 't' - with emphasis on 'Brain Damage'.


Anybody else got any mythos tunes?

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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: "Lovecraftian" horror
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:44:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1993Jan12.161433.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>	And now for a real Mythos post ;)
>
>	I am looking to find any modern day Lovecraftian horror writers.  By
>"Lovecraftian" I don't necasserily mean Cthulhu Mythos; the two are not 
>the same.  By "Lovecraftian" I mean horror which first scares you, then makes
>you think, rather than more conventional horror which just goes for the scare.
>I think a good example of "Lovecraftian" horror would be Fritz Leiber's novel
>"Our Lady of Darkness".  This was really scary, but also really disturbing in
>it's implications.  I also think that some of Jorge Luis Borges stories,
>particularly "The South" and another one, whose title I forget, about a coin
>that devours the narrators mind.  Note that "Lovecraftian" horror doesn't
>have to be horror in the genre sense; Borges is a "literary" writer, but some
>of his ideas are really twisted and disturbing.

I'm probably going to get flamed out of my meager existence for saying this,
but hear me out here.

H.P. Lovecraft was the last real innovator in horror.

AAgh!  Ouch!  Ooooh!  Ooof.  No!  Wait!  I can explain!  If you go down to
the library or the bookstore, what do you find?  Do you find original ideas
on the creative level of the Mythos?  No.  Do you find the tone which nobody,
and I mean NOBODY could possibly emulate?  Has any other horror writer
been able to create a tone all his/her own that is _totally_different_
from anybody else?  No.  Do you find creative plots and diverse situations
on the level Lovecraft did?  For the most part, no.  Do you find consistent
innovation in the works of a writer, avoiding ruts for years?  No.  Heck,
Stephen King has used the same male hero in 3/4 of his books, just changed
the name a bit.

What's the point of this rant?  That we should ignore all the horror on the
market today?  No, not quite.  Like the original poster says, there are
select _stories_ that are exceptionally good and thought-provoking.  But
writers?  That's another story entirely.  Maybe it's not their fault though.
Potential horror writers of today are being taught (simply by what is being
published) by Anne Rice and Big Steve King, and that will probably produce,
over the next few years, ranks and files of clones.               

And maybe one or two Lovecrafts, standing at the back.  Watch for them.
If you find them, let us know.

Whew.  Sorry to unburden myself like that.

	Yours in Yog-Sothoth,
	Jason
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From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Subject: Elder Signs...
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:42:11 GMT


	By the way, for all you gamers of the CoC, how common are
Elder Signs?  My long-standing campaign BTS finally got the spell 
two years after the campaign started.  Is this common?  I'veheard that 
many parties get one very quickly, like within six or so months.  
	How about it? Experiences?  



	The Laughing Priest!  {Jgoodric@nmsu.edu}

	
	"I an pilot error.
	I am fetal distress
	I am the Random Chromosome
	I am Complete and TOTAL MADNESS!"   - The Crow
From: mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: "Lovecraftian" horror
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:14:33 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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	And now for a real Mythos post ;)

	I am looking to find any modern day Lovecraftian horror writers.  By
"Lovecraftian" I don't necasserily mean Cthulhu Mythos; the two are not 
the same.  By "Lovecraftian" I mean horror which first scares you, then makes
you think, rather than more conventional horror which just goes for the scare.
I think a good example of "Lovecraftian" horror would be Fritz Leiber's novel
"Our Lady of Darkness".  This was really scary, but also really disturbing in
it's implications.  I also think that some of Jorge Luis Borges stories,
particularly "The South" and another one, whose title I forget, about a coin
that devours the narrators mind.  Note that "Lovecraftian" horror doesn't
have to be horror in the genre sense; Borges is a "literary" writer, but some
of his ideas are really twisted and disturbing.
	If anyone could post or e-mail me with some writers who fit in this
(very broad, I now see) category, that would be nice.


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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Coc vs. DnD
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In article <1ikgpfINNoa6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> R. Dugan, dugan@cs.WPI.EDU
writes:
>Another thing that sets CoC apart from DnD is the relatively high
>mortality rate of characters.

That's what makes CoC/Paranoia crossovers so much fun!

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From: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Subject: Re: Is the group at it's proper place?
Originator: bjbisset@c00031-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bjbisset@eos.ncsu.edu (BILLY JOE BISSETTE)
Organization: Raise A Great Old One Foundation
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:31:02 GMT


In article <1993Jan12.194625.25248@cc.umontreal.ca>, royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:

>I have noticed an increasing number of posts that talked about CoC. Maybe this
>newsgroup should be moved to rec.arts.games.frp.coc?
>
>I think this place is better without things like debates of D&D/CoC.
>
>I enjoy both, but here is the place to discuss aspects of the Myth, rather that
>a related game.
>
>Any opinions?

  Of course I have opinions, some are even related to this post... 8)
Personally I feel great joy just seeing that the number of posts here in a day
reaches 2-digit numbers.  I play CoC, and I love Lovecraft's stories.  I can't
even remember which came first for me.  Apparently several others here also
feel an attraction for both the game and "the Myth."  I feel that the game is
part of the Myth also; books,music, and movies are discussed, CoC has just as
much right to be seen a part of this.  I am not saying that CoC has to be
allowed here though.  I've mentioned in previous posts how I liked the air of
friendship here.  No flame wars, or "get that off of here 'cause it don't
belong" arguments even in the face of provocation.  I, and others, would argue
against Derleth's stories being a part of the "core Mythos" but the people
here don't degenerate into massive arguments over it.  I guess that part was
a way of thanking you for not giving some sort of ultimatum about removing
discussion of CoC or you'll do whatever...
  Anyway that was my convoluted argument for why CoC could be allowed here.
But there are other reasons why it should be allowed here.  Mainly because it
brings a better enjoyment of the Mythos.  I'll admit that game discussions
might not add that much to those who don't play, but maybe some of you who fit
this category will give it a try.  And with this set-up, non-game players can
easily put there opinions into game matters, which would hopefully improve the
quality of said game.  Neither of these would happen otherwise.  I personally
hope that we can work together like this, reaping benefits which I haven't
mentioned nor even thought about.  Also, I don't feel that some of the CoC
discussions really fit with the frp section, but thats just me.  I will of
course defer to the popular demand if that is to remove CoC discussions though.
  So, what do the rest of you think/feel?
>
>
>Daniel Roy
>
>-- 
>Mr. Cole's axiom:
>	"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant;
>	 the population is growing."

PS:  While CoC discussions are still here, speak up and join in.  Even if you
don't play, you can still contribute to them.
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From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars)
Subject: Dracula?
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:40:07 GMT

So where's all the Dracula discussions? Considering it's a horror movie, 
and I haven't read anything about it lately on this group, I can only
put it down to the following reasons:

(a) Nobody apart from me has seen Dracula yet.

(b) Dracula isn't considered "horror", and therfore doesn't make it into
    this group.

(c) Dracula has already been discussed for ages, and when it's finally
    stopped being discussed I bring it up again.

(d) Everybody's seen it, but it's so amazing it doesn't need to be
    discussed.

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From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SANTA)
Subject: Re: Clive on Letterman
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:57:05 GMT

  To the question about what they talked about and what Clive is working on now,
   I remembered him saying that he is working on a second Candyman since it
   did so well.  He talked about the first time he ever saw an autopsy (sp?).
   It was really funny, and he said how excited he was sewing up the skull 
   after they took out the brain.  The doctors or whatever you call them played
   a trick on Clive.  They didn't tell him that when you sew the skull back on
   the eyes open up because of some muscle thing.  Clive almost clung to the 
   ceiling (that's what he said).  That story wareally funny with Dave putting
   in the jokes.  Clive also talked about how much he loves Los Angeles 'cause
   that's where he lives now.  He says that the city has so much material since
   the city has a lot of freaks.  He also talked about a fable that is coming 
   out now.  It's not only for kids, but for adults too.  It's got stuff that
   might scare kids.  I can't really remember that part.  That's about it.


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From: axg708@cscgpo.anu.edu.au (Ashraf Ghebranious)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive on Letterman
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:29:14 GMT
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In article <1993Jan9.222425.4349@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd) writes:

>Overall, though, I'm not really sure this 'order' of reading books makes
>much difference.  I've heard the same types of things about Stephen
>King, L. Ron Hubbard, and Koontz, too, but rarely felt that it was

Great masters of fiction, King, "HUBBARD", and Koontz
                                 ^^^^^^^

Are you supposed to read Dianetics before or after Battlefield Earth?


 
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From: 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Clive on Letterman
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:01:52 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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Can anyone tell me basically what was mention by Barker as his next
project?  Anything interesting coming up?  Also, can anyone tell me
how to get a copy of it?  Thanks.

-norm

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From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: Koontz again
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:17:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.085042.22310@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) writes:
>   Oops, I forgot about Darkfall and Twilight Eyes (the
> old brain is still on vacation time). I liked Darkfall,
> not as much as, say, Watchers or Strangers, but it's quite
> good. Twilight Eyes I have difficulty with. The first time
> I read it, I liked it a lot. When I re-read it this past
> summer, I didn't like it nearly as much; I'm not sure why.
> Still, it's a decent Koontz.

Funny, I didn't care for it as much the second time either.

>   The Leigh Nichols re-releases are only average, from my
> experience.

I agree again.  However the three that havn't been re-released are better
than the other two IMO.  Actually Shadow Fires has been re-released, but
only in hardback.

>   He's also written under the pseudonyms "Brian Coffey"
> and "Owen West".

And don't forget Aaron Wolfe, David Axton, K. R. Dwyer, Deanna Dwyer
(romance novels), John Hill, Anthony North, and Richard Paige.  Our local
library also has a book by Gary Raisor that they clame is another Koontz
pen name, but I've never heard of this from any other place.
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From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:43:03 GMT


I hate it when people who have little knowledge of film whine about not
understanding a movie.

Several recent films that have demonstrated this problem:

Barton Fink
Naked Lunch
Zentropa
ect.

Give up on your concept of what a film should be like and go with the flow.
A film is like any other art form, not contrained to a set of rules that
the viewer would like to impose.

Jim
J. Graham
Biology and Chemistry Departments
indiana University -Bloomington
From: rafem@gvlf8-k.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Dracula?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:09:15 GMT
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <C0o5L6.Ewy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>Well, I'll discuss it, if only to get it out of my system!
>
>I was appalled by the movie.  I almost walked out of it, and I 
>would have if I hadn't been on a date at the time.  The following
>problems applied:
>
>
>The only redeeming things in this movie were Van Helsing's two
>black comedic comments on chopping off heads.  If you have to see it,
>rent it, get drunk with some friends, and laugh your head off.
>
>Dakin
>burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

I generally agree with Dakin's "review" of the movie.  But I think
he liked it an order of magnitude more than I did.  

I'd like to add one more recommendation to his "see it" list:  Under
no circumstances, absolutely no circumstances, should you read the
book before viewing the movie.



Regards,

Ralph Marrone
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: Repost of Horror Poll
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Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:46:59 GMT

In article <1injhtINN1t5@savoy.cc.williams.edu> 96nlp@williams.edu (sublime) writes:
>
>  Basically, if you're going to include God in a book, you'd better
>include the Devil too.  It balance things a bit, don't you agree?
>
>  norm

I thought he did a very good job of portraying the Devil-- remember Flagg...


I happen to think The Stand is perhaps the best book I have ever read-- and
that says alot. I know it's my favorite King book, and I've read all of them
except Delores Claiborne. I also read many other types of literature,
including classics like Les Miserables by Victor Hugo, Which I would consider
my second favorite book-- well, whaddayaknow, it's over a thousand pages
long too... and both of them I read in less than a week! :)

Meow...
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