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From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: expanded/extended mem
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:40:37 GMT

In article <1arji4INNskt@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> tvilla@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Tim Villa) writes:
>lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari) writes:
>
>>I guess this is a FAQ (is there a FAQ list somewhere?) but what is the 
>>difference between expanded and extended memory? 
>
>Basically extended memory is the real physical memory above 1Mb, while
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, you have made a good pun, but it is still slightly wrong!

'Extended memory' is the name for the physical memory that CANNOT be accessed
in real mode.  To use extended memory under a real mode OS like MS-DOS you must
temporarily switch to protected mode, copy memory between the first megabyte of 
address space and the rest of the physical memory, then return to real mode.
Not a terribly fast operation but still faster than the fastest hard drives so
it is used.

>expanded memory is emulated memory that is broken up into pages and
>swapped in and out of conventional memory as it is required. 
>And I bet I'm totally wrong too. ;)

Actually, your explanation of expanded memory is essentially correct, though
incomplete.

>As far as I'm concerned they both suck. Protected mode 32 bit memory is
>best!

Acessing memory from native mode is certainly the fastest method.  And also the
simplest (from the vantage point of the application programmer at least).

Harry

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From: Mike@tron.gun.de (Michael Gerhards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re^2: Keep computer on all time or turn
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 15:28:00 +0200

Reply to "Re: Keep computer on all time or turn of"
from BILLB%PPC-A.ISC-BR.COM@USENET.ZER

Hello,

> From: billb@ppc-a.isc-br.com (Bill Ballinger)
> [..]
> >        I need your opinion on which way would prolong the life
> >of a computer and/or a hard drive -- keep it on all the time, or
> >turn it off when not in use.
> >      		                     	***********************
> >--cliu@merlin.appmath.columbia.edu	*   CLifton T. Liu    *
> >--cl45@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu		***********************
>
> If I remember correctly, my Apple Macintosh manual "suggests" that if you
> are not going to use the system for more than 8 hours, turn it off.  It
> sounds good and you can save electricity (esp. cooling).

My dealer said, the power-on is the most dangeruous point for the IC's.
There could be a higher voltage than normal, which destroys the chips.
On the other hand, I start my PC mostly two times a day and didn't have
any problems since two years...

c u

Michael
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From: Mike@tron.gun.de (Michael Gerhards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 1x9 vs. 1x3 memory
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:44:00 GMT
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany

Hallo,

> From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
> Subject: 1x9 vs. 1x3 memory
> Message-ID: <1992Sep9.180601.11141@unislc.uucp>
> X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
> Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
>
> A friend has got a Micronics motherboard that has 1MBx9 SIMMS on it.  He
> ordered additional memory from Midwest Micro Peripherals, ostensibly 1x9s.
> When the memory arrived, he discovered that they were 1MBx3s.  So, Micronics
> tells him that he can't use 1x3s above 8MB.

I'm sure you mean 1MBx9 and 4MBx2+1MBx1. The newer simms have only three chips.
I've 4 MB using two simms 1x9 and two 4x2+1x1 and I've no problems.

c u

Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: ADVICE ON NEW SYSTEM
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:36:32 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Hi!  

I am looking to by a system, I was wondering if anyone could 
give me some suggestions as to which company provides the best
performance+reliablity/price ratio.

I am looking for a 486 33MHZ system or above with VESA VL-BUS
(There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what the new 
standard is, anyone care to comment?)

I would like to have a 17" monitor.  I am currently looking at 
Viewsonic 7.  Does anyone care to comment on this monitor or
offer suggestion as to which 17" monitor to look at.

I also need some advice on what video card I should get for the 
above monitor.  Many people seem to suggest the Tsen Lab 4000ET
or the S3 VL-BUS card.  Some people even suggested that I should 
just get a Diamond Stealth 2meg Accelerator card.  Now I am 
confused here.  What I want to do is to be able to display high
quality GIFs ... etc and have to capablity to do some interesting 
image processing.  Someone please comment or give me some advice
as to what I should be looking at.

Thanks in advance!

Chung Yang
   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mark@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Mark Rauschkolb)
Subject: Miniscribe 7080 AT: need layout
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:06:16 GMT

I have a Miniscribe 7080AT hard drive that recently crashed, and I
lost the configuration.  Can anyone tell me the actual layout
(heads, cylindars. etc) and a recommended 17 sector/track layout?

Thanks

Mark Rauschkolb
mark@cs.msstate.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: My Gateway 200 66Mhz is coming soon
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 05:01:30 GMT

ccasted@prism.gatech.EDU (Edward Deering Boykin) writes:

>I just recieve a message from the nice folks at G2K. They said my
>66Mhz local bus system had been issued a shipping date for this week and that it should arrive late next week.
>Now, I'm not too optimistic with Gateway's mesage but hey tyhey called me
>. As soon as I get my system up and running I will post an article about it...


I wish they'd return my calls about my 486DX/33!  They claim they're
backed up, but they could have told me that the first couple times I
tried to call customer service.  It will be two weeks Monday and I
just want to find out from them an estimate of when it will ship.
They're at least required by UCC to ship within 30 days of order.

Mike
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:25756 comp.os.linux:12156 comp.periphs.scsi:4789
From: rpb@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Ray Bellis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.linux,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Please recommend SCSI controllers
Keywords: scsi adaptec dtc future-domain ibmpc isa
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:21:37 GMT
Reply-To: rpb@psy.ox.ac.uk
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Could people please give opinions on the relative merits of the
following ISA SCSI controllers for the IBM PC:

	Adaptec 1542
	DTC 3280
	Future Domain 1680

This is for a friend who's buying a new PC for DOS and Linux work.

Thanks,

Ray.
 
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Subject: Re: Any info on WD95044-A?
From: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Damian Kennedy)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 09:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Sep28.182136.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au>, sci222u@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>Hi all,
>     From what I gather there is no FAQ for this group..!?
>
>      So, can someone tell me what sort of hard drive a Western Digital
>      WD95044-A is?  I have no Doc, but it used to work.
>      The only info I have is : 782 cyls, 4 heads and it looks IDE.
>      Does it have a drive type number or is it a user define 47?
>      There doesn't seem to be any visible jumpers so how does one make
>      it a "slave", if possible?
>
>      Being in Australia, the 800 numbers are not practical. If no-one
>      can help here, I suppose I could try the distributors etc ;-(  
>         
>            Thanks for any info,      Alan      

Its a 40MB IDE, 782,4,27 or type 17

The jumpers are (looking at the drive from the connector end).


       <.......IDC Connector.....> | | |  <POWER>
                                   ^ ^ ^- Conner Compatibility Jumper
                ^---DATA           | |--- Slave Jumper
		    CONNECTOR      |----- Master Jumper

						-Damian


KENNEDY_D@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: WANTED: 386 or 386sx motherboard
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:35:28 GMT

is there anyone out there who has upgraded their machine, and
needs to sell a 386dx or sx motherboard cheap?  Please send me
email.

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu
From: jjm13@po.CWRU.Edu (Jeff Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Dell SIMM != standard SIMM?
Date: 27 Sep 1992 19:44:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62499.student.cwru.edu

>In article <nc00.716820324@hawk> nc00@eurotherm.co.uk (Neil Corlett) writes: 
>>
>>They have the same number of pins as the PS/2 SIMMs but unfortunately the
>>PS/2 SIMMs don't work.

>Hmmm... do you know if they are the same SIMMs as used in the
>Zenith?  I have a few that I bought from a surplus... err, 
>used RAM dealer which I now would like to part with.  It would
>be great to know if they are compatible with the Dell.

Zenith SIMMs, as far as I can tell, are identical to PS/2 SIMMs.  The
reason I know this is because I am using PS/2 SIMMs in my Zenith...

Jeff
 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dblack@seas.gwu.edu (David K. Black)
Subject: LEADING EDGE dip switch help needed!!!!
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:48:50 GMT

I have an antique (1985?) Leading Edge 8088 machine that I would like
to give to my children, but I have one small problem.  I can't get
the monitor to work.  You see, some years ago I replaced the mono
monitor with an EGA, which required that I reset dip switches on the
mother board.  When I got my new 386, I decided to use the same EGA
monitor, removing the EGA card from the 8088.  Now I need to reset
those dip switches to accomodate the original monitor, but I can't
remember what they were and all relevant documentation is long gone.
A call to Leading Edge was no help: they wanted me to cough up ten
bucks for the privledge of asking them a question they may not be
able to answer.  The kindness of a knowledgable reply will be greatly
appreciated.

dblack@sparko.seas.gwu.edu
From: jones@atmo3.atmo.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: GRAVIS ULTRASOUND RETAILERS, ANYONE?????????????????????????????
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:15:30 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Atmospheric Sciences

In article <1992Sep30.222235.12252@zooid.guild.org>, Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> From f1sami@uta.fi (Samu Mielonen)
>> A few people have mentioned that the card would sell as low as $130 in some
>>places, but I have been unable to get any information on those outfits.
> 
>     Actually, anyone who's heard of prices this low please post to this
> newsgroup.
> 

I received a flyer from Electronic Arts about 6 weeks ago that would sell
the Ultrasound at 99.00 with the purchase of a game, about $29.  Of course
this offer ran out yesterday ...
You might give them a call (it's an 800, but I don't have it, etc...)

cgj
From: delusion@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Albert Schmezer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: IBM XT Intermittent problem...
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:59:33 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	Hello all. This is my first time posting on this particular newsgroup,
so if this post is at all inappropriate for this group, please let me know
where to post it.

	I am having an intermittent problem with an IBM XT during bootup.
History: I recently installed a SOTA286i 286 Accelerator board in an original
IBM PC/XT (4.77 Mhz, made in 1982). For 12Mhz operation, the Sota286i requires
a driver to be installed, SOTA286I.SYS, for a 16Kbyte Cache. A day after I
successfully installed the board, the computer refused to boot off the
harddrive. It would, however, boot off a floppy. Ok, now here is the
interesting part, after about 5 minutes of operation from a floppy-booted
system, if one rebooted the computer, it would SUCCESSFULLY boot off the
harddrive. It seemed that the 286/XT would ONLY boot on the harddrive when it
was warm! (or running for >= 5 Minutes) I thought there was a harddrive/disk
controller problem, so I replaced both. Same problem. It would only boot off
the C: drive when running for more than 5 minutes. Here may be a clue: when I
would boot off the C: drive, when the computer was run cold, the computer
would successfully run the drive and enter DOS, but when it encountered the
CONFIG.SYS line that had the SOTA286I.SYS driver, it would freeze the computer
as it was trying to install the 16K cache. However, as I mentioned earlier,
the C: drive would boot flawlessly when I had the XT running for >= 5 Minutes.
Is there a memory problem with the XT? Is there a problem with the
accelerator? I wouldn't be so puzzled if the computer didn't work ALL the
time... but since it doesn't work SOME of the time... I'm puzzled! Please
help!

	Thanx in advance to all!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: edjcb@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Brown)
Subject: Re: lightning communications
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:09 EST  

In article <717715141.26596@minster.york.ac.uk>, forsyth@minster.york.ac.uk writes...
>Lightning Communications make 14.4k modems.
>i've tried ringing Lightning Communications Inc on the numbers i have:
>	1-800-433-4420
>	1-714-457-9429 [bbs]
>	1-714-457-8004 [fax]
>but they aren't at home [not even the fax!].
> 
>are they all on holiday,
>have the numbers changed, or
>has something struck Lightning?

I've been calling them for two weeks to check on an order.  No Answer.
I'll bet bankruptcy or the like has struck Lightning Communications.

Jeff Brown
edjcb@scivax.lerc.nasa.gov
From: corny@csa.bu.edu (Joshua Cheong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: BERNOULLI BERNOULLI
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:30:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.96993
Originator: corny@csa


In article <jt!p43g.feustel@netcom.com>, feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
|> I have much experience with Bernoulli's and no experience with
|> Syquest.  Bernoullis are very reliable and now sold by Hard Drives
|> International for a reasonable (to me) price.
|> -- 
|> Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
|>  

No problem with my PC-Powered 90 Pro too ...

josh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.i386
From: wehr@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com (Bruce Wehr)
Subject: Can a '486DX drop into a '486SX socket?
Organization: Ford Motor Company Scientific Research Labs, Dearborn, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:01:19 GMT

    I am posting this for a colleague (who doesn't have net access) who
    would like to know:

    "Can I simply install a '486DX chip into a '486SX socket to get a
    `fully functional' 486 computer system?"

    Please send email responses to:

      Jack Patteeuw
      patteeuw%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com
      ..!uunet!srlvx0.srl.ford.com!patteeuw%dptc.decnet

    Thanks!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.intel,comp.unix.i386
From: martin@unislc.uucp (Martin Cryer)
Subject: Re: Can a '486DX drop into a '486SX socket?
Reply-To: martin@unislc.UUCP (Martin Cryer,D1Z01,5754)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:48:56 GMT

In article <BvCC6B.5A3@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> wehr@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com (Bruce Wehr) writes:
>    I am posting this for a colleague (who doesn't have net access) who
>    would like to know:
>
>    "Can I simply install a '486DX chip into a '486SX socket to get a
>    `fully functional' 486 computer system?"

No, DON'T try it... Add the 487SX. Don't try hacking the tracks to the
socket to rearrange pins either... 
I bet you'll never find the correct signals to move on the top or bottom
layers of your probable 12+ layer board anyway, unless your board is
an in-house design, in which your case H/W guys will know how to design
for each type anyway.

The 486SX and 487SX are different from both each other and
the 486DX/486DX-2 pinout. That's why Intel specifies multiple sockets etc
in their suggested layouts. Its to allow field upgrades without
removing anything. I think the cost of a 487SX processor will be
no more than a 486DX anyway and the 487SX will have identical
performance for clock rate as the 486DX anyway and it will plug
right in to the co-processor socket. If your board does not
have the coprocessor socket, lynch your vendor.

The 486DX won't be any faster for the same clock rate unless you use
floating point instructions.... The SX v DX does not imply a 16bit versus
32bit memory path as per the 386SX and 386DX.

Refer to the Intel Processor H/W Ref Manual for each type to see the
difference. Your local Intel Rep can give you part numbers.

>
>    Please send email responses to:
>
>      Jack Patteeuw
>      patteeuw%dptc.decnet@srlvx0.srl.ford.com
>      ..!uunet!srlvx0.srl.ford.com!patteeuw%dptc.decnet
>
>    Thanks!
>
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>       17000 Rotunda Drive, Room B360, Dearborn, MI  48121 (313)248-5530


Rgds - Martin Cryer

All opinions my own and not those of my employer.
From: borodin@hope.llumc.edu (Sergi Borodin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: S3 vs ET
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:11:48 GMT
Organization: LLUMC Radiation Research Lab



  I'm going to buy a 486-33 Local Bus system for my home use. 
  Basically, I narrowed down my choices to several companies
  which offer a reasonable priced (around 2 k$) computers and
  located here in S.CA. I don't care about brand name and real
  good service - the thing I need must have 200 meg HD, and
  memory expandable to 64 meg (which basically means that MB
  has 16 sockets for simms instead of stupid 4 or 8 and will
  allow me to extend memory when I get an extra hundred bucks).
  
  The question at hands is that I cannot deside if I need a s3
  based video or I would be happy with et4000. Both systems 
  make it obvious that I don't need a 1280x1024 monitor because 
  they do not provide NI picture at that resolution and therefore
  make it unusable in CAD applications. 
  
  As I understand ET-based boards are just fast VGAs when S3s
  provide some acceleration for apps to which a driver has been
  supplied. What I don't understand is that why s3 boards slow
  down DOS apps. I couldn't figure it out from what I read in 
  Computer Shopper (I guess that authors of those articles could
  not do it either:).
   Any experience with those cards?
  BTW, does anybody know who makes S3 chip (my feeling is that S3
  stands for the name of the company - like sierra semiconductor
  something).
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  Sergei Borodin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ede@kadabra.osf.org (Ted Ede)
Subject: Experience with VGA (15 pin) to BNC cables?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:36:05 GMT


I have a friend with and older VGA monitor.  The particulars are:
		Seiko CM1421-03
		1024 x 768 Pixel Resolution
		Horizontal Freq. 53.6KHz 
		Vertical Freq.   66 Hz

It's got 4 BNC connectors, not the standard 15 pin connector.  While
speaking with a cable supplier at the latest computer show, she said
there were three types of of cables that were used.  She said the
three were compatible with NEC, Sony, and Mitsubishi.  At $40 apiece
I'd rather not order all three.  

Does anyone have any experience that they can share?  How difficult
would it be to make the appropriate cable?


Any help would be appreciated

ted

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,misc.forsale.wanted
From: vturner@nmsu.edu (Vaughan Turner)
Subject: Re: Plug VGA monitor into a MAC...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<BvAw3M.5Dq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:06:48 GMT

MacConnection has a cable they claim will do the trick.  I ordered one
yesterday, so I'll know today if it works.  I wanted to have a VGA
adaptor for my PowerBook 100 Envisio Adaptor cable.  It is a DB15 to
High Density 15 8" cable, part number 2025, cost, $31.

MacConnection's number is: (800) 800-2222.

Standard Disclaimers apply.  This thing is bound to be pretty simple,
so I can't imagine it won't work, but I haven't tried it, so...

Hope this helps,

Vaughan
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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: TV cards
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:11:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Oct3.013947.26646@athena.cs.uga.edu> kendall@castor (ROB KENDALL) writes:
>
>Looking for any information regarding tv cards that allow you to
>see cable tv on your vga monitor.

I'm interested in this sorty of thing as well.  I am looking at a
general purpose video input card which I will connect to an external
tuner though. 

Davei