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From: john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u)
Subject: Blind Watchmaker (WAS Re: Small Gods Annotations)
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:47:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.121411.10226@syma.sussex.ac.uk> andyh@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Holyer) writes:

[material deleted]

>>There's a deep philosophical tome by Richard Dawkins called "The
>>Blind-Watchmaker" I guess this is a reference. I haven't read the
>>book though so I don't know if that's a synopsis or a parody.

>"The Blind Watchmaker" is'nt about philosophy. It's about Evolution.
>Damn Fine(tm) IMHO. The title refers to (I think... my copy's gone walkies)
>the original debate on evolution in the 1850's

[material deleted]

>world is so intricate this implies that someone designed it - that "there was
>a watchmaker". Dawkins adapted this by commenting that evolution amounted to
>a "blind watchmaker". I don't remember the context of the quote, but i seem
>to remember that the spirit wasn't too far away from Dawkins'

Dawkins' book (and BBC-TV program) are fine refutations of the old watchmaker
argument. He argues a very succinct case for evolution being the 'blind
watchmaker'.
Excellent book (and tv program) that will really get up the nose of any
local fundamentalist!  :-)

--
Ciao

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Wilfrid Laurier University.	 feels like one sleepless night."
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca			 	Hunter S. Thompson
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v5.0 - part 2 of 3
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:15:13 GMT

>+ [p. 255] "'Careful,' said the Dean. 'That is not dead which can eternal
>  lie.'"
>  Apparently this is an H. P. Lovecraft quote:
>        "That is not dead which can eternal lie
>         But over stranger eons even death may die"
>  I would appreciate information about the exact place this quote can be
>  found, and whether it is correct.

I don't even need to look this one up (although I did check it for
your peace of mind), H.P.  Lovecraft is one of my favorite writers.

	That is not dead which can eternal lie,
	And with strange aeons [even] death may die.

This first appears in The Nameless City and refers to the City (once
without the "even," then with).  It is repeated elsewhere by Derleth.
It enjoyed a resurgence when Metallica used it in "The Thing That
Should Not Be".  Say what you want about them, they're well read.



>+ [p. 215] "'Bonsai!'"

Bushydo - the way of the shrub.  BONSAI!!!


>+ [p. 230] "Azrael, the Great Attractor, the Death of Universes, [...]"

Azrael in TP's books is very similar to Azatoth in HP Lovecraft's
books, except that Azrael is sentient.  The Great Attractor in
astronomical terms is the point toward which the galaxies in our local
group are rushing.

>  A Great Attractor is a mathematical concept known from Chaos Theory.


-- 
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From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: Merchandise Etc
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:51:54 GMT

barretpj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Phil J Barrett) writes:

>Simon Harwood (sfch@dmu.ac.uk) wrote:
>: to find out exactly what happened, READ THE BOOK.) Therefore, after Rincewind
>: et al. had finished with Bel Shammaroth, he wasn't going to be summoned by
>: a wizard saying 00001000. Logical?

>00000100 even.
 ^^^^^^^^
 128
  64
   32
    16 
     8421
 
	You've got 4 there.
*grin*
Back to Yr 11 Computer science :)
^
Eccles
From: d20kku%tuda@newcastle.ac.uk (J.J Nicholson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Discworld BBS
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:13:46 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Howdy, I run a small BBS called the Discworld (hope you don't mind TP) but 
unfortunatly of late I have kinda straied from the theme. Although I do have
some odd Discworldy bits that I am rather proud of I would like some idea as
to how I could make it more... well... Discworldy... 

Anybody who has absolutly no concern for their phone bill can call it on
+44 799 31165 Fidonet 2:440/303 or (maybe) 2:254/205

Jonathan

(Christ alone knows what the header will say I'm posting this via an 
 email <-> news gateway 'cos the uni authorities won't let ugrads post news,
 but anyway you can contact me as J.J.Nicholson@dur.ac.uk or d20kku%tuda@ncl.ac. uk)
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v5.0 - part 3 of 3
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:22:20 GMT

leo@cp.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) writes:
>+ [p. 21] "Some people are born to kingship. Some achieve kingship, or at
>  least Arch-Generalissimo-Father-of-His-Countryship. But Verence had
>  kingship thrust upon him."
>  I just *know* this paraphrases a well-known quote about leadership, but I
>  can't place it. anybody?

Some people are born mediocre, some people achieve mediocrity, and some
people have mediocrity thrust upon them.  -- Catch-22, Joseph Heller

I think it continues with: "With Major Major it was all three."


>  'Beyond the Fields We Know': my source mentions Lord Dunsay. Rings no
>  bells to me, frankly.

Think H.P. Lovecraft in the early days.  Dunsany's tales were the "fabulous
adventure" type - not so much conflict or even really much of a plot, but a
lot of time describing "wonderful stuff".


-- 
The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Herne the Hunted
Ypath: qualcom!rdippold
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:03:39 GMT

matthew@tadsrc.tadtec.co.uk (Matthew Sweet) writes:
>rigging in naval encounters. The arrows used to cut ropes should
>have a 'Y' shaped head, however. As the film used signal arrows
>(made by having a hole in the arrowhead that acts like a whistle
>as the arrow moves through the air) I found it disappointing
>that they managed to get this fact wrong.

As if they even tried...
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From: whippy@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Whiplash)
Subject: Re: Magrat's Huge Tracts of Land
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:02:23 GMT

In article <RSHOLMES.93Jan25165911@mothra.syr.EDU> rsholmes@mothra.syr.EDU (Rich 'mcmxciibo' Holmes) writes:

>Confession time: I'm not real wild about Kirby's covers. The interior
>illustrations in _Eric_ were generally good, but for my taste the
>covers are too busy and too grotesque. I would somewhat prefer the US
>_WA_ cover to Kirby's... if there were any resemblance whatsoever to
>the characters as Pratchett described them. (And even in Kirby's
>cover, about the only way to distinguish Nanny Ogg from Granny
>Weatherwax is by the cat and the red boots. These two are supposed to
>look quite *different*, folks! The "maiden, mother, and crone" Neil
>Gaiman keeps coming back to in _Sandman_. His illustrators get the
>point, why don't Terry's?)


This is an age old problem it seems.
I think that obviously the requirements of being a cover artist are
	a) NEVER, under any circumstances to read the book
and	b) Completely ignore any suggestions from the author

*&)
Actually some of the DW that I have read (albeit not many) have reasonably
relevant covers on - especially the one (I forget which completely sorry *&)
probably the second tho) where the effect of having a female warrier upon
cover artists is mentioned and the cover represents that completely. (Although
I wonder - was the joke a result of the cover artists psyche or did the joke
come first and the cover later??)
Now if you want to read a series of books that have been completely destroyed
in this way since the death of the author (not my fault this time!! She died
long before I was born I think *&) but you probably won't want to read them
anyway as they probably won't appeal, try the Chalet School series.
From relevant and accurate pictures in some of the editions I first bought
(there are 64 books in the series so even thought I have been collecting them
for over 10 years I still havent got half way!) there has been a fairly recent
edition which has obviously been illustrated by some gimp who doesnt even know
what the books are about let alone read them.  For example, a matron who has
been with the school for most of the series and started off grey haired has
red hair in a french pleat on the cover of one of the later books - obviously
some miracle drug was available then *&)

But anyway - so that I don't get acused of irrelevant waffle *&)

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From: ssammy@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Sammy 4th Year iE/CES)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Size of Europe (was: Herne the Hunted)
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:14:25 GMT
Organization: Information Engineering
In-reply-to: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de's message of 22 Jan 93 12:26:32 GMT


>Regarding Re: Size of Europe (was: Herne the Hunted); uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) adds:

 > You don't mean to say Europe is actually larger than 100 miles in diame-
 > ter, do you?  What then would be the use of a wooden sign in an untarred
 > road in the middle of Austria, pointing to Berlin one way and to Venice
 > the other?

   Hey, Land's End has signposts pointing to New York, Moscow and Sydney...

   Paul
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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: No of posts from Cool
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:43:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.111550.20119@csd.uwe.ac.uk> ma_blase@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Fox) writes:
>Eccles (damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
>> uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann) writes:
>> 
>> >mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno) writes:
>> 
>> >(C)OOL mcmxciii

I refuse to remember I have written such a line (not mentioning an
Holiday break....)
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From: neilb@physics.su.OZ.AU (RiemannZeta(s))
Subject: Re: Small Gods & Lords and Ladies
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:54:02 GMT

>>P.S Taking the piss out of physicists is done best by
>>mad demented physicist honours students, mere amatures
>>don't stand a chance.
>
>No, its best done by two lunatics - one a science/Cs student, who will
>read anything anytime, and understand enough to completely cock up
>an explanation, and the other a Science Engineering Student who sits there
>and adds the technical details L)(

If you want lunatics, then you only have to go as far as physicist honours,
as a) you have to be crazy to do it anyway, and b) if you weren't completely insane
when you started you would be by the end.

The science/CS does that mean you are studying science & CS or Science or CS
and just haven't worked out which?

>Right, thats it. Its on again. Well you can tell Sydney's real
>exciting, when people go there to play Bridge at each other.
>Why not just go to Adelaide and play Trivial Pursuit on New
>Years Eve, or go to Hobart.... and... um.... there must be something
>to do there?

On a really minor point we went to Canberra (our nation's capatial) to
play bridge, and believe me, the bridge was the most exciting thing happening in
canberra.  Going to Adelaide to play Trivial Pursuit, would make more sense
than going there to attempt to play cricket...

The only time Hobart is ever in the news is during the sydney to hobart
yacht race, when you see the sailors getting drunk on the docks ...

As for melbourne, the only thing that can be said for it is ... um ...
it's not too hilly.

On a final note (just keeping the post relevant) I bought Carpet People
the other day (again in hard back ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH) and am wondering
how different is the original and is there anywhere I can get hold of
an original version?

Nei
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On a spring afternoon,
When we're poisoning pigeons in the park.
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From: CSD108@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Magrat's Huge Tracts of Land
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:41:14 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


In article <RSHOLMES.93Jan25165911@mothra.syr.EDU>, rsholmes@mothra.syr.EDU
(Rich 'mcmxciibo' Holmes) says:
>person as Magrat. (In fact, the only way to assign identities to the
>other two witches is to note that one is looking at a broken mirror
>and the other has a cat.)
>
...and red boots.

-Craig D.

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From: cmac@castle.ed.ac.uk (Colin MacDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Magrat's Huge Tracts of Land
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:46:12 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1993Jan26.140223.1312@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> whippy@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Whiplash) writes:
>In article <RSHOLMES.93Jan25165911@mothra.syr.EDU> rsholmes@mothra.syr.EDU (Rich 'mcmxciibo' Holmes) writes:
>
>>Confession time: I'm not real wild about Kirby's covers. The interior
>>[STUFF DELETED]
>
>This is an age old problem it seems.
>I think that obviously the requirements of being a cover artist are
>	a) NEVER, under any circumstances to read the book
>and	b) Completely ignore any suggestions from the author

According to the biography of Tolkien, one US edition of the Lord of the
Rings was produced with a pair of emus round a Christmas tree on the
cover...

The Josh Kirby covers are not too bad IMHO, except for the inevitable
glaring inaccuracies.  Rincewind, for example, was described (in TCOM I
think) as having a short scrubby beard, "the sort of beard worn by
people who were never meant to wear beards" or something like that.  Yet
the various covers with Rincewind on have this great flowing hairy thing
on.  I'm sure folk will come up with other favourites...

Colin

-- 
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.........  cmac @ castle.ed.ac.uk
From: ma_blase@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Merchandise Etc
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:36:04 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Rich Holmes (rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU) wrote:
> Why not?
> 
> There are a few minor inconveniences, like that some of the integers
> have to be written as infinite non-repeating decimals, but hey, life's
> full of tradeoffs.
> 
>    0.
>    1.
>    2.
>   10.011001...
>   11.011001...
>   12.011001...
>   20.022002...
>   21.022002...
>  100.
>  101.
>  102.
>  110.011001...
>  112.011001...
> 
> In fact, it seems to me that base sqrt(8) and certain of the denizens
> of Unseen University would be made for one another.

Look, if you can't count it on your fingers, forget it.

Fox
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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Shakespeare, Shawn Ogg, and St Crispin's day
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:41:58 GMT
Reply-To: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk
Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $

In article <leo.728050508@draconis> leo@cp.tn.tudelft.nl writes:
>  The part in Shawn's speech about people hiding under the bed instead of
>  gloriously fighting etc. *might* be drawn from Shakespeare's "King Henry
>  V" (Act IV, Scene iii), where Henry V makes his 'St. Crispin's Day'
>  speech, in which he also mentions beds in the context of stay-at-homes.
>  Frankly, I'm a bit skeptical about this one...

>This is what Andy said:
>
>> I'm *sure* it's from the St Crispins' day speech. [...]  Hmmm..

>So, what do the (British) readers of a.f.p. say about this? Agree?
>Disagree? Farfetched? Obvious?

I also am sure that Jason's speech was meant as a parody of the St.
Crispin's Day speech. As will be obvious from one of my posts yesterday
I haven't got a Shakespeare as such, but only days before reading L&L I
saw the Kenneth Brannagh film, and it was that speech which immediately
leapt to *my* mind.

Nick
From: fjc@werple.apana.org.au (Frank Copeland)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: APF v5.0, corks and prawns
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:43:03 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Annotated Pratchett File v5.0 writes:

>+ [p. 132] "On the fabled hidden continent of Xxxx, somewhere near the rim,
>  there is a lost colony of wizards who wear corks around their pointy hats
>  and live on nothing but prawns."
>
>  'Xxxx' refers to Australia, where I understand they have a brand of beer
>  called 'XXXX'. I don't quite know where the corks and the prawns come in,
>  though. Anybody?

The corks refer to caricatures of Australian bush men who have corks
dangling on strings from the brims of their hats to keep flies away from
their faces.  An early instance of this is Monty Python's Philosopher's Song
sketch.  The prawns refer to a series of Australian Tourism Commission ads
promoting Australia in America (and presumably Britain too).  The ads
featured Paul Hogan (of Crocodile Dundee fame) who invited viewers to come
to Australia and offered to "chuck another prawn on the barbie" for them.
Its a bit odd, since what most Australians eat at barbecues is: sausages,
hamburgers, barbeque (ie- tough) steak and buttered bread.  And beer.  And
tomato sauce.  Remember the five pounds of red meat in the colon?  I feel
ill.

Frank Copeland
fjc@werple.apana.org.au
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From: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Terry Pratchett)
Subject: Clarecraft stuff                        
Cc: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:35:00 +0000

I've just seen the pix of Clarecraft's next bunch of DW figures (I had sharp
words with them over the Detritus bookend, which was _not_ right, and was
never shown to me ahead of production).  This lot look good, from what I can
see of the unpainted models.

They are: a token Assassin, not what I'd imagined but pretty good.
The Death of Rats
Gaspode
Sgt Colon, Corporal Nobbs and Captain Vimes.

The only problem is scale.  Theoretically the Death of Rats should be half an
inch high, and Gaspode only and inch or so.  They've had to make them larger.

Terry
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: Unadulterated Cat (WAS Re: Reaper Man & sundry)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:08:49 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.173403.17067@maths.tcd.ie> nealk@maths.tcd.ie (Neal Kid
> 
> >....
> >P.S. I've never heard of The Unaldulterated Cat.
> >     Can someone PLEASE tell me what its about??!?
> 
> An excellent book which will appeal to owners of *real* cats everywhere.
> ...
> Look in the NON-fiction sections of your library, maybe you'll get lucky!

My library had it in the humour section. I read it about a year ago...

TERRY: Why did you call your cat Oedipuss (sp?) ???
       That's almost as bad as my flatmate calling his ones Charlotte
       and Emily (The ratbag sisters...)

Inquiring gnomes want to mine......

--
                                                            => Alan <=


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From: hevans@estwm0.wm.estec.esa.nl (Hugh D.R. Evans (ESA/ESTEC/WMA Netherlands))
Subject: Re: My tuppence                         
Reply-To: hevans@estcs1.dnet.estec.esa.nl
Organization: European Space Research and Technology Centre
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:43:49 GMT

In article <memo.886964@cix.compulink.co.uk>, tpratchett@cix.compulink.co.uk (Terry Pratchett) writes:
|>
|>We call universities storehouses of knowledge.  This must mean that knowledge
|>builds up within universities.
|>
|>Terry
|>

And it follows that a university specialising in Geography would be 
a wherehouse!

Or a philosopy/political department a gas station?

--
Hugh Evans	-	hevans@estwm8.dnet.estec.esa.nl

 "Alcohol is very important for young people because it provides a sort of 
  'liquid adulthood.'  If you are young and you drink a great deal it will 
  spoil your health, slow your mind, make you fat - in other words, turn you 
  into an adult."
	P.J. O'Rourke - Modern Manners, Etiquette for Rude People
From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
Subject: Re: The Annotated Pratchett File, v5.0 - part 1 of 3
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:42:37 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan28.124248.1209@infodev.cam.ac.uk> dkf11@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.121034.7232@fmg.bt.co.uk> pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:
>>Incidentally, Terry came in for a bit of slagging off in The Guardian
>>recently. An article described the attempt by two people to write a
>>formula bestseller, and they were searching the bestseller lists for a
>>style to copy. Paraphrased from memory....
>>
>>``How about Terry Pratchett? He seems very popular''
>>
>>``Not a hope. 20 years of anoraks and train spotting wouldn't even begin
>>to get me into the mindset required for understanding him''
>>
>
>How insulting! Trains shouldn't be spotted (nice go-faster stripes are
>preferable :)

I always thought it was the geeks who went a-gricing who were spotted!

Jo [who sorta suspects that she may regret that one!]
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pratchett
From: Edward Julian Craft <e.j.craft@aston.ac.uk>
Subject: Schleppel Model
X-Xxdate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:57:49 GMT
Organization: Aston University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:51:12 GMT


Yeah, I've got a model of Schleppel. It's right here on my desk next to
my Macint.....


..... hey, where's it gone ?

																																				Edward.