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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.04 QUESTIONS
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:34:36 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <1a2s4iINNakc@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, (Sophocles Richar Metsis) writes:
> 
> Hello fellow users,
> 
> I own a A500 (1.3) a 52 Mb DataFlyer with 2MB ram and the C=501 (I think)
> 1/2 meg memory expansion. I was wondering if I upgrade to 2.04 and get the
> Fatter Agnus and Super Denise (do I need anything else?):
 
[text deleted]

> 5) Last but not least, is it worth upgrading.
> That is it for now.
>                 email: sopho@wpi.wpi.edu

YES!!! It is well worth the money to upgrade from 1.3 to 2.x!!!  I cringe
everytime I have to revert back to the 1.3 OS.  (I have a ROM-switcher).

Joe
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From: johnv@tower.actrix.gen.nz (John Veldthuis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Disk-Validator ??
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:10:31 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: Amiga Virus Extermination Services, TAUG

Quoted from <1992Oct2.053713.28555@cs.uoregon.edu> by elliott@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee):
> After not using my computer for about a month, I started using it and
> noticed that every disk I put in gets written onto it an l directory and
> a file named Disk-Validator or something like that.  It takes up like 
> 2K.  I didn't change anything with my system disk or anything like that.
> The only thing I have different is a new modem.  What's the problem?

Disk-Validator is required by WB 1.3. However if it is getting written on
disks that never had them there before then I would say you had a virus.
It is propably the Saddam virus and you want to get rid of it as soon as
possible. Virus_Checker will remove this virus for you.
---
*** John Veldthuis, Taranaki Amiga Users Group, johnv@tower.actrix.gen.nz ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Where is Amiga-faq
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:47:00 GMT

A friend of mine just bought an Amiga 3000 and I would like to get copies
of the various Amiga faq's that are out there.  Would someone please let
me know if these are available by ftp somewhere?

Since I can't find the faq's, I wonder if someone would answer the
following
question.  Can the Amiga read/write MS-DOS diskettes?  What
software/hardware
utility does one need.

Thanks.

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
Usual disclaimer applies.
From: ra2cs252@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Ho Ling Cherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Information needed
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:07:41 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Hi,

I just got a amiga 500. What I have is the Workbench disk 1.3.2 and 
the Extra 1.3. The monitor I have is 1084S.
I have very little knowledge about this machine and would hope that
someone out there can answer my questions or direct me to a source.
1) How many screen resolution are there? How could I switch res?
2) I have an A520 also and when do I needto use it with the monitor?
3) What is the lastest possible operating system for A500?
4) What exactly is workbrench?
5) what is the cheap ways to upgrade the RAM and add a harddisk?
6) can i hook up a 1.44m floppy to the system?
7) I tried to format a new HD disk with the internal drive but it
   tell me disk write error? Why?
8) I would like to know about some good softwares/pd
   
That's all this time.
I am sure I have a lot more coming up.
Thnaks
...
Ling Cherd
.
From: jdugger@bagpipe.reed.edu (Jay Dugger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Learning C on the Amiga
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct2.142745.8139
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


What is the best route for this challenge?  (Please don't start with  
"First, Get a compiler")  I'd like to what books are useful references and  
what software C tutorials are any good.

Thanks

Jay Dugger
jdugger@reed.edu
From: mehlhaff@soda.Berkeley.EDU (ERic MeHlHaFf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Learning C on the Amiga
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:10:00
Organization: The Dis-Orginization
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: fgd3@nifty.UUCP's message of 5 Oct 92 13:01:14 EDT

In article <fgd3.0281@nifty.UUCP> fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:

   In article <MEHLHAFF.92Oct4205910@soda.soda.Berkeley.EDU> mehlhaff@soda.Berkeley.EDU (ERic MeHlHaFf) writes:
   >
   >In article <fgd3.0267@nifty.UUCP> fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:
   >
   >   In article <1992Oct2.142745.8139@reed.edu> jdugger@bagpipe.reed.edu (Jay Dugger) writes:
   >   >
   >   >What is the best route for this challenge?  (Please don't start with  
   >   >"First, Get a compiler")  I'd like to what books are useful references and  
   >   >what software C tutorials are any good.
   >
   >      It depends somewhat on whether your primary interest is in learning C and
   >   you happen to have an Amiga or you already know C but want to learn your way
   >   around the Amiga system.
   >
   >And I'm one in the latter case.  I've done a lot of C programming on real unix 
   >systems; the amiga has similarities and a lot of differences.  How can I 
   >best learn how to deal with these differences...

      The premiere reference for the Amiga is the "ROM Kernel Manual: Libraries
   and Devices".  In addition, you'll need "The AmigaDOS Manual".  I found Rob
   Peck's book "Programmer's Guide to the Amiga" very helpful, but it is a bit
   out of date (and, I understand, out of print).


Well, I've already done a lot of that.
The CManuals that were put out on the fish disks were pretty good. I messed a 
lot with those.

I've also tried compiling some of the source that's been put out into the 
public Domain, and much to my distress, had a hard time to get it to work.
It seems that the varius compiler packages available for the amiga are not too 
compatible with each other. Stuff that compiles with MANX won't work well with
SAS, and you're bloody lucky if you can get any of the PD compilers to work
worth beans.

The  C programmers' guides for the Amiga published by abacus seem pretty good, 
but boy are they out of date.  I got some pretty surprising results from 
code examples taken straight out of the books.

And now, of course, I'm taking a unix program and re-doing the port of it 
to the amiga.  Hopefully soon, AmigaNetrek will be released on our peaceful
community...

ERic mehlhaff, fledgling amiga hacker...

--
ERic mehlhaff					Hoser at large
mehlhaff@soda.Berzerkeley.EDU
mehlhaff@ocf.berkeley.EDU
From: fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re:  Learning C on the Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:01:14 EDT
Organization: Fabbian G. Dufoe, III

In article <MEHLHAFF.92Oct4205910@soda.soda.Berkeley.EDU> mehlhaff@soda.Berkeley.EDU (ERic MeHlHaFf) writes:
>
>In article <fgd3.0267@nifty.UUCP> fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Oct2.142745.8139@reed.edu> jdugger@bagpipe.reed.edu (Jay Dugger) writes:
>   >
>   >What is the best route for this challenge?  (Please don't start with  
>   >"First, Get a compiler")  I'd like to what books are useful references and  
>   >what software C tutorials are any good.
>
>      It depends somewhat on whether your primary interest is in learning C and
>   you happen to have an Amiga or you already know C but want to learn your way
>   around the Amiga system.
>
>And I'm one in the latter case.  I've done a lot of C programming on real unix 
>systems; the amiga has similarities and a lot of differences.  How can I 
>best learn how to deal with these differences...

   The premiere reference for the Amiga is the "ROM Kernel Manual: Libraries
and Devices".  In addition, you'll need "The AmigaDOS Manual".  I found Rob
Peck's book "Programmer's Guide to the Amiga" very helpful, but it is a bit
out of date (and, I understand, out of print).

--Fabbian G. Dufoe, III
   350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South   | GEnie:    F.DUFOE3
   St. Petersburg, Florida  33705 | internet: fgd3%nifty@tct.com
   813-823-2350                   | uucp:     ...tct!deep6!nifty!fgd3

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: glitto@iastate.edu (Scott M Klabacha)
Subject: Re: Can I watch TV on CBM 1960 (Too?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:08:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.151713.16358@daimi.aau.dk> pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes:
>Right now, I'm using a 1084 for my Amiga, which,
>delightfully, allows me to watch TV too. (It accepts
>SCART, CVBS/Composite video). This is great, as
>I do not have the room for another screen.
>
>   But what about these multiscan/multisync (?) monitors, like
>the CBM 1960, and NEC 3D(4D?)(?) Is it possible to give
>these a video signal, Composite Video or SCART(or whatever?)
>

Yes, it's possible. The question is:  is it worth it?

I've got a NEC 2 (or 2A, or something like that...it's not right here and I
don't remember offhand) and a VCR, and I wanted to hook an antenna up to the
VCR, connect the VCR to the monitor, and watch nice-looking TV. Unfortunately,
the monitor's only got a 9-pin (again, this might be off by two pins, but...)
input in the back. I scouted around a bit and talked to some know-nothings at
Radio Shack before writing a letter to Redmond Cable (who made me a wonderful
cable to connect my Amiga and monitor in the first place). Unfortunately, they
don't make anything to connect a multisync to a VCR :-(  But they did give
me a flyer from a company (in Ohio, I think) who does make a connector :-)

However...the cable/converter/whatever is $499!!!!!!!!!

At that price, I decided to get a real TV.

   gLITTOfERN
glitto@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
From: walker@twix.unx.sas.com (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Learning C on the Amiga
Originator: walker@twix.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:34:13 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <MEHLHAFF.92Oct4205910@soda.soda.Berkeley.EDU>, mehlhaff@soda.Berkeley.EDU (ERic MeHlHaFf) writes:
|> And I'm one in the latter case.  I've done a lot of C programming on real unix 
|> systems; the amiga has similarities and a lot of differences.  How can I 
|> best learn how to deal with these differences...

The way I learned C on the Amiga (after having used it on UNIX) was to
get a copy of the Rom Kernel Manual, flip through it just to see what
was there, then grab the compiler and start in on a project.  The
project I picked was HackIcon, the icon editor for Hack, which is
pretty crude - my inexperience at the Amiga showed - but it was a
good introduction to windows, gadgets, screens and basic graphics 
calls.

My advice is to pick a smallish project and start coding, looking up
information as you need it.  Assuming you pick something interesting,
you will need to know about intuition.library and graphics.library,
which are ROM-based libraries present on all Amigas that allow you
to do windowing and graphics.  Get a copy of the RKM libraries 
volume and read up on intuition and graphics, then go to it.

|> 
|> --
|> ERic mehlhaff					Hoser at large
|> mehlhaff@soda.Berzerkeley.EDU
|> mehlhaff@ocf.berkeley.EDU
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Any opinions expressed are mine, not those of SAS Institute, Inc.
From: Dave_Birdsong@lppl.mi.org (Dave Birdsong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Help me buy a printer for my A500+
Distribution: world
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:58:59 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

I just got a Panasonic kx-p2123 24 pin printer and I love it!!!
fast and quiet too.
I paid $265.00 us for it and will be getting the color kit soon!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.introduction:1271 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:16314
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Using VGA/SVGA monitors with A500
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: is it possible?

In article <1992Oct1.205815.22986@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
> 
> Somebody in an earlier post mentioned using a VGA or SVGA monitor with an
> Amiga 500.  How is this possible?  Is it just a matter of getting the right
> cable or will I need to add something else?  (I don't have the chips that
> allow the new Productivity modes in OS 2.04)
> 

You can use a multi-sync monitor that would also work fine with a VGA/SVGA
board, but not a cheapie "VGA only" monitor.

> If it is possible, can anyone out there give me an idea where to find the
> right cable?  I haven't seen one in the mall-type computer stores; would I
> have to (gasp) build it myself?

You should be able to get a cable or DB23->VGA connector adapter from either
a specialty cable outfit or one of the advertisers in the amiga magazines...
From: mehlhaff@soda.Berkeley.EDU (ERic MeHlHaFf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Learning C on the Amiga
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:59:10
Organization: The Dis-Orginization
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: fgd3@nifty.UUCP's message of 3 Oct 92 16:19:00 GMT


In article <fgd3.0267@nifty.UUCP> fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:

   In article <1992Oct2.142745.8139@reed.edu> jdugger@bagpipe.reed.edu (Jay Dugger) writes:
   >
   >What is the best route for this challenge?  (Please don't start with  
   >"First, Get a compiler")  I'd like to what books are useful references and  
   >what software C tutorials are any good.

      It depends somewhat on whether your primary interest is in learning C and
   you happen to have an Amiga or you already know C but want to learn your way
   around the Amiga system.

And I'm one in the latter case.  I've done a lot of C programming on real unix 
systems; the amiga has similarities and a lot of differences.  How can I 
best learn how to deal with these differences...

--
ERic mehlhaff					Hoser at large
mehlhaff@soda.Berzerkeley.EDU
mehlhaff@ocf.berkeley.EDU
From: sopho@omar.WPI.EDU (Sophocles Richar Metsis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Upgrading to 2.04 QUESTIONS
Date: 26 Sep 1992 23:35:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: omar.wpi.edu


Hello fellow users,

I own a A500 (1.3) a 52 Mb DataFlyer with 2MB ram and the C=501 (I think)
1/2 meg memory expansion. I was wondering if I upgrade to 2.04 and get the
Fatter Agnus and Super Denise (do I need anything else?):

1) Can I get a 1280 by 400 screen (interlaced) on my 1084s ?
2) If I can get a VGA, SVGA or ... multisinc monitor what is the max
   resolution I can get Non-Interlaced (on each of these monitors)?
   Can I hook up all of these monitors to the RGB output of the A500?
3) What is the max resolution I can get on WorkBench screen (not virtual)
4) Does the revision of my motherboard have to do anything with this
   whole upgrading thing.
5) Last but not least, is it worth upgrading.
   (I'm an EE student and I don't play LOTS of games just Birds of Prey
    and FSII when I have the time)

That is it for now.

                email: sopho@wpi.wpi.edu
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re:  Learning C on the Amiga
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:27:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Oct6.032748.5243
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <fgd3.027z@nifty.UUCP>, fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III) writes:
|> 
|>    The best book for learning C is "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan

I would beg to differ.  :)

|> and Ritchie.  It's well written, contains excellent example programs, and is
|> quite compact.  Some people find it too terse for beginners.  I didn't.

Compact, yes, _too_ much so in my opinion.  Somewhere in the book, they say
that C is a language that is not served well by a large book and I agree, but
theirs is just a wee bit too small.  :)  And it's priced the same or more
than other C texts I've come across (although it is better than most of them).
The Kernighan and Ritchie is often considered _the_ standard, and is used in
the C programming class here. I would recommend it as something to get as a
second book, or it's great for once you've learned the language but forget
some stuff and need to go back for a quick refresher.

|> Another excellent book (once you've worked your way through K&R) is "C: A
|> Reference Manual" by Harbison and Steele.  H&S explain things in more detail
|> than do K&R, so that's where I go when I don't understand a point from K&R.

I haven't read that book, but the one I have found to be the most helpful in
learning C is "A Book on C" by Kelly and Pohl.  The book covers close to the
same topics as the Kernighan and Ritchie book, but in more detail and more
examples.  I feel that it is fairly compact and well written.

|> --Fabbian G. Dufoe, III
|>    350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South   | GEnie:    F.DUFOE3
|>    St. Petersburg, Florida  33705 | internet: fgd3%nifty@tct.com
|>    813-823-2350                   | uucp:     ...tct!deep6!nifty!fgd3

Francis
From: stuart@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Stuart R. Harper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 2.04 QUESTIONS
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: sopho@omar.WPI.EDU (Sophocles Richar Metsis)
Organization: Drexel U- CCD - E4 Lab

In article <1a2s4iINNakc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sopho@omar.WPI.EDU (Sophocles Richar
Metsis) writes:
>
>Hello fellow users,
>
>I own a A500 (1.3) a 52 Mb DataFlyer with 2MB ram and the C=501 (I think)
>1/2 meg memory expansion. I was wondering if I upgrade to 2.04 and get the
>Fatter Agnus and Super Denise (do I need anything else?):
>
>1) Can I get a 1280 by 400 screen (interlaced) on my 1084s ?
>2) If I can get a VGA, SVGA or ... multisinc monitor what is the max
>   resolution I can get Non-Interlaced (on each of these monitors)?
>   Can I hook up all of these monitors to the RGB output of the A500?
>3) What is the max resolution I can get on WorkBench screen (not virtual)
>4) Does the revision of my motherboard have to do anything with this
>   whole upgrading thing.
>5) Last but not least, is it worth upgrading.
>   (I'm an EE student and I don't play LOTS of games just Birds of Prey
>    and FSII when I have the time)
>
>That is it for now.
>
>                email: sopho@wpi.wpi.edu
>

Well to take them in turn:

1) Yes, if you get he ECS Denise Chip and have the ECS (1MB Agnus).
You should be forewarned about the color limitation of that screen (max: 4
color out of 64) and size of the screen will tend to "steal" processing time
from the 68000.

2)Again If you have the ECS denise and can make or get make a cable to connect
to a VGA monitor, then they will put out a max res of 640 by 480 with similar
color restrictions as the SuperHighRes (1280 by xxxx) modes.

3) Workbench can use ANY resolution above 640 by 200. That means SuperHigh Res-
Productivty. Max Overscan screens... every time. I just hope you have the Chip
ram for it.

4) Older 500 Revisions (<6.2) require the pre-soldered jumper that comes with
the 2.04 ROM. ^.2 and above require you remove it. (I may be wrong on this one,
but the instructions on installing the 2.04 rom come with it and are quite
clear)

5) YES! YES! YES! YES! 2.0 is a VAST improvement over 1.3 in every way!
From: cbenson@cs.strath.ac.uk (Calum F Benson CS90)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Amiga - UserNet
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:42:12 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Oct1.172207.27577@percy.robots.ox.ac.uk> bradshaw@robots.ox.ac.uk (Kevin Bradshaw) writes:
>
>Hello out there,
>	        I'm just about to receive a new A600HD and wondered if
>someone could send me some info about where to find good things to
>download via ftp. I use a SunSparc in the lab, and we have a 3.5"
>floppy drive unit. Is there a way to use this to transfer software to
>my Amiga (perhaps using some intermediate disk format such as IBM). If
>so, can anyone recommend a good program for the Amiga which will allow
>me to read/write from/to disks in the correct format?
>
>Thanks in advance fro any replies,
>
>Kevin Bradshaw
>bradshaw@uk.ac.oxford.robots

	My favourite PC<->Amiga transfer program is MultiDOS. Once you
have run it, you can forget all about it. Just insert a PC disk into your
Amiga drive and it will be recognised as a PC disk straight away. You
can then use any normal AmigaDOS command to manipulate the files, such
as list, copy and all the usual stuff. Indeed, with Workbench 2.0 (which
you'll get with your A600) you can use the GUI rather than the shell to
move your files about using MultiDos, which makes it even easier. And
there's no need to faff about with a special `PC drive' device like you
do with other transfer systems - DF0: is DF0: whether you have a PC disk
in it or an Amiga disk in it, unlike things like MessySID where DF0:
has to become MS0: if you want to read a PC disk from it.

	Best of all, MultiDOS is free (well, shareware I think - which
reminds me, I haven't sent off my fee if it is!). I imagine any decent PD
library will have it; I got my copy off the front of Amiga User International
a few months back, so you might like to order a back copy.

	As for archive sites, I dont't know where to start ! I'll mail you
a copy of the latest list I have, and you can work your way through them!

		Have fun ..

			Calum


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From: fgd3@nifty.UUCP (Fabbian G. Dufoe, III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Icon question
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Sep 92 00:45:49 EDT
Organization: Fabbian G. Dufoe, III

In article <1992Sep25.183059.14756@m2xenix.psg.com> jimd@m2xenix.psg.com (Jim Dorman) writes:
>Ok, here's the deal:  I had to salvage a whole ton of data off the HD for an
>A2000HD (older model).  I got all the date back, but I don't get any icons
>when I open the GUI window.  The files are there in DOS, including the *.info
>files, but I don't get icons, which makes it rather difficult to run things.
>
>Any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated.

   Get MakeIcons.  MakeIcons creates ".info" files for files that
don't have them and revises existing ".info" files.  It can replace the
imagery or tooltypes of a group of icons with that from a default icon you
specify.  It can also free an icon's position if it has been "Snapshot" and
you want Workbench to arrange it for you.

   MakeIcons is shareware, $10.  It's available on GEnie and in the Fred
Fish library.  It's probably around in lots of other places, but the nature
of electronic distribution is such that I don't know where you might find
it.  If you'd like to evaluate it I can email you a uuencoded archive on
request.

--Fabbian G. Dufoe, III
   350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South   | GEnie:    F.DUFOE3
   St. Petersburg, Florida  33705 | internet: fgd3%nifty@tct.com
   813-823-2350                   | uucp:     ...tct!deep6!nifty!fgd3