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Subject: More Holodeck
From: khill@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:11:58 CST
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	Ok, more on the HOLODECK.

	What would happen (say as a practical joke on some green-horn
leiutenant) if a crew member was sedated and placed in the HOLODECK with an
Enterprise NCC-1701D program running.  Hmmm, I think this could be really
pretty funny!!

	Secondly, we know that there are several types of transport (molecular
and quantum).  Molecular transport does not require much computer memory --
this is great for food and supplies.  Quantum requires vast amounts of memory,
this is why you do not see O'Brian (after a couple of slugs of ale) reproducing
twelve Picards and sending them to different parts of the ship (this is also
why no "living" holo-matter can live outside the HOLODECK -- "meat-puppet" 
theory).  Now, I take this to mean that the Enterprise as a limited amount
of memory -- yes it is very vast, yet still finite.  So, lets suppose I want
to bring the good-ole NCC-1701D to its knees.  I enter the HOLODECK and
run an Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run another
Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run another
Enterprise NCC-1701D program, etc. (you get the picture).  Something tells
me that eventually the Enterprise would run out of memory and come to its
knees!!  Why use photon torpedos when all that is needed is a little cunning!


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From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Subject: Re: More Holodeck
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:17:53 GMT

khill@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:
: 	Ok, more on the HOLODECK.
: 
: 	What would happen (say as a practical joke on some green-horn
: leiutenant) if a crew member was sedated and placed in the HOLODECK with an
: Enterprise NCC-1701D program running.  Hmmm, I think this could be really
: pretty funny!!
: 
: 	Secondly, we know that there are several types of transport (molecular
: and quantum).  Molecular transport does not require much computer memory --
: this is great for food and supplies.  Quantum requires vast amounts of memory,
: this is why you do not see O'Brian (after a couple of slugs of ale) reproducing
: twelve Picards and sending them to different parts of the ship (this is also
: why no "living" holo-matter can live outside the HOLODECK -- "meat-puppet" 
: theory).  Now, I take this to mean that the Enterprise as a limited amount
: of memory -- yes it is very vast, yet still finite.  So, lets suppose I want
: to bring the good-ole NCC-1701D to its knees.  I enter the HOLODECK and
: run an Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run another
: Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run another
: Enterprise NCC-1701D program, etc. (you get the picture).  Something tells
: me that eventually the Enterprise would run out of memory and come to its
: knees!!  Why use photon torpedos when all that is needed is a little cunning!
: 
: 
Nice idea, but I have a hard time believing that the main computer would 
allow the holodeck computer to commandeer all of its memory, causing a
failure.

Phil Martin.

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From: stanaway@ssd.comm.mot.com (Chris Stanaway)
Subject: Re: 1701-D Flagship
Reply-To: stanaway@ssd.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:25:15 GMT

In article 1i6mouINNmin@silver.ksu.ksu.edu, starride@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (David Chase) writes:
>	Several times (I cant remember which episodes) the Enterprise is called
>the Flagship of the Fed. . Also because the saucer section is a living quarters
>ship (it has everything to make it its own instellar ship) the 1701D is the 
>main body or as we use to call it the secondary hull.

The NCC 1701-D is made up of the Primary Hull (or Saucer Section) and the
Secondary Hull.  The two hulls can detach, but this is not usually done
except in emergancies.  And, if I'm not mistaken, the Saucer Section is
NOT not warp capable.  In order to to be warp capable, there would need
to be warp field generators and, I believe, they are contained with the
nacelles.  The Saucer Section then does not have warp field generators.
And is is not simply living quarters, it is much more, including the Main
Bridge.

>	Another point. In the first or second episode Capt. Picard is not liking
>the idea that he is going to have a Living Section attached to his ship. He 
>would rather have nothing than have that type of section attached.

This is also an incorrect statement.  The "Living Section" is not some
throw-on onto the Enterprise.  It is a major part of the Enterprise.
What Picard did not like was the number of (or any) civilians on his
ship (especially childern) whose safety he did not want to be responsible
for.  Compare the 1701-D with the 1701 - the external design is essentaily
the same - saucer section, secondary hull, warp nacelles.  I believe the
1701 was also supposed to be able to seperate the primary and secondary
hulls.  Also, most of the rest of Starfleet vessels are designed with a
saucer section - that's just the way they like to make 'em.

Hope *I* didn't say too much that was wrong.  (Don't have any references
here at work.)

Chris

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From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Excelsiorclass ship that was blasted in DS9
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:08:39 GMT

>>but i'm curious did anyone catch the NCC designation and the name of the
>>Excelsior Class ship that had its saucer section blasted by the Borg?
>
>HEY!!! Knock it off, some of us haven't seen the first episode yet, it
>doesn't start here till Thursday........please put SPOILERS in your
>subject line!

Don't worry, it's not a spoiler.. It's 'almost' the same scene (different
angles etc.) that we saw when the borg came to earth..A bunch of dead
starfleet ships and the borg shooting the ones that were still alive. It has
nothing (directly) to do with the plot of the show.

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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: AirForce/Army vs StarFleet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:46:40 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Joshua Bell (jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: 
: Oh, but they do have fighters. Recall "Best of Both Worlds II",
: the Mars Perimeter Defense ships (ignore the luck that Mars was
: actually on the same side of the sun as Earth), which managed to
: get of at least a couple shots at the Borg before being plucked
: off 1-2-3. :)

Well, if anyone here plays 'Star Fleet Battles', by Task Force Games, the
Mars perimeter ships were alot more like Fast Patrol ships, or the
equivalent of modern FAC's.  I don't think they've ever really showed
fighters, but, of course, they should be there.  Now, since fighters are
considered attrition units, it would be conceivable that the Fed. has a
moral dislike for them.

But Klingons should be using them out the wazoo. :)

CJW

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From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Subject: Re: Stardates
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:11:53 GMT

In article <TCHUA.93Jan5080120@soda.qmw.ac.uk> tchua@soda.qmw.ac.uk (Terence Chua) writes:
>
>I have an updated version of the Stone/Finkas timeline I've been working on
>for several months if anyone's interested. It's *huge*, so I won't post it,
>but I'll take requests.

Oh....yes....please, I'd love a copy.

Gary

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From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Subject: 1701-D Saucer going warp speed
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:57:09 GMT
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Imagine my surprise when I found the commercial-free master tapes
of the two-hour pilot of ST:TNG in the film room at work!  I had
never seen it, as I became a TNG fan some time later.  So I did
the most logical thing...I *watched it*.

Here's my question.  The 1701-D saucer has no warp drive, and I'm
guessing it has no warp field generators.  Yet, when the two ship
sections seperate at very high warp speed, it doesn't slow down 
like a frisbee released from the window of a moving car.  Why?  A
friend of mine said that in the book of that episode, the saucer 
*did* lose speed quickly.  With no warp field around it, one would
think that it would decelerate fast enough to straighten your hair.

I noticed the  other 1701-D thread going, but couldn't find an 
answer to this question.  Any ideas?  The tech manual wasn't too
much help, but we didn't really go digging.

Clint
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From: kkane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Kane)
Subject: Re: why transporters can't work
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Let me chime in here - the computer always monitors communications
channels for a couple things to know when to kill the connection - (1)
period of silence (2) the word "out" as in "Picard out".  I'm sure there's
a breach of this somewhere but I'm sure people don't want to watch the TNG
crew iron out a problem in the comm system.

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From: cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: Re: Heavy/Light Cruiser
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:32:06 GMT

weber@jedi.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Weber) writes:

>The battle between the Hood and Bismark marked the last encounter between
>battleships.  It was realized, especially in the Pacific, that the main
>role of battleships was to bombard land forces from sea.  They would,
>however, still chase the big aircraft carriers, which are slower than
>battleships.


Not correct.  Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, the aircraft carriers in 
sevice with US fleet, with the possible exception of the USS Ranger, were as
fast or faster than our battleship fleet, which was largely of WWI and 1920's
vintage.  The newer construction battleships, laid down after 1940, such as
the USS North Carolina, were as fast as the carriers, but by the time they
were built, the concepts of sea battle had changed, causing them to become most
valuable as anti-aircraft platforms for the protection of the carriers.  In
fact, in one battle at dusk, the North Carolina was putting out such a barrage
of AA fire that observers on other ships thought she had been hit and was afire.

Until the battleships were lost at Pearl, the Navy plan was to lure the Japanesefleet to a point northeast of Midway Island, and meet them with the battleships.The role of aircraft carriers was to provide a platform for scout aircraft to 
lead the battleships to the Japanese fleet, and to provide artillery spotting 
for the gun action that would follow.  The Japanese sinking of the battleships
was actually a blessing in disguise to the US Navy, as it caused them to 
rethink the concept of war at sea.


>I should mention that the US realized this advantage.  Japan still believed
>till the end of WWII that the battleship could be used for naval assualt,
>an error which proved very costly at the battle for Leyte gulf, and which
>resulted in the sinking of the Yamamoto.

The battleship was the "Yamato", the admiral was Yamamoto.  The Yamato, and
its sister ship, Musagi (or something close to that) were the only ships to
mount 18" main battery guns, as opposed to the normal 16" guns.

>kevin


Tim
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Subject: RE: Rio Grande pulling the Cardassians...
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:57:51 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <tomcat.726618996@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>Okay..I hope this isn't a repeating question...but how can the Rio Grande,
>the Runabout class shuttle, tow a Cardassian warship via tractor beam?
>
Gee, maybe their warp coils were producing a warp field that made them
light enough to be towed. :)

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Subject: Users-versing-this-and-that VS Real-Life...
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Subject - says it all.
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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: Heavy/Light Cruiser
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:53:39 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Kevin Weber (weber@jedi.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com) wrote:
: 
: The battle between the Hood and Bismark marked the last encounter between
: battleships.  It was realized, especially in the Pacific, that the main
: role of battleships was to bombard land forces from sea.  They would,
: however, still chase the big aircraft carriers, which are slower than
: battleships.

Sorry, wrong answer; thank you for playing!!

For one thing, the Hood was a battlecruiser, not a battleship -- it's
armour was corespondingly lighter, and the ship correspondingly faster. 
For another, after the Hood was sunk -- in six minutes, mind you -- and
Vice-Admiral Holland went to meet the fishes, Prince of Wales kept up a
running gun battle with Bismarck and Prinz Eugen, getting badly mauled --
losing the entire bridge crew, save for the captain -- in the process. 
Furthermore, several days later, the King George V and the Rodney finished
off the damaged Bismarck.  So, the action with the Hood was not, in fact,
the last.

What we are looking for, however, is the Excelsior class *battleship*. 
That is your big fighting and marine toting ship.  One might also assume
that Starfleet has a more (how shall we put it?) martial version of the
Galaxy class, which can haul the '6000' troops postulated by Yar in
Yesterday's Enterprise.

CJW
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From: Jeff_Holinski@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeff Holinski)
Subject: Re: Holodeck
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:56:37 GMT


I don't see where Geordi should have reality problems with the holodeck.
Since he's using it for fun all he has to do is set his visor so it only
shows him things that are visible to normal humans.

"Just because you have a color TV doesn't mean you can't watch a black &
white movie"

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From: Jeff_Holinski@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeff Holinski)
Subject: Re: Holodeck
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:51:31 GMT


The cool thing about distances in the Holodeck is that you don't know if you
are looking at an actual person or a holographic image. Since it can create
"holodeck matter" and shaped force fields it should be able to use optical
tricks to fool you on distances. If nothing else it could just make a set of
lenses to sit in front of your eyes. (like looking through the wrong end of a
telescope)
Of coures I'm still not sure why they have such BIG holodecks instead of a
closet sized unit in every crewperson's quarters.
From: tchua@soda.qmw.ac.uk (Terence Chua)
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Subject: Re: More Holodeck
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:37:14
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In-reply-to: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk's message of 8 Jan 93 10:02:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.100249.10227@cs.hw.ac.uk> adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes:

   I don't know.  The ship already exhibits features from "Hitch-Hiker's Guide
   to the Galaxy", e.g. the turbo-lifts which know where to be when people want
   them, the replicator which puts out something almost, but not quite, entirely
   unlike tea unless you give it explicit instructions (e.g. "Tea, Earl Grey,
   hot") and an Infinite Improbability Generator (see p.77 of the Technical
   Manual if you don't believe me).  A computer which can be brought to a
   standstill by the holodeck would fit right in.  Mind you, I'd do it by
   recursion - tell the computer to run a program replicating the NCC-1701D in
   real time, including a replica of itself running the program.

   :-)


If the ship's doors start saying "Share And Enjoy", I'm going to start 
throwing things at more than just Deanna Troi. On the other hand, the 
annoyingly perky turbolift in ST III ("Up your shaft!") does bear the marks of
the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation... :)


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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: Heavy/Light Cruiser
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:02:19 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Tim Cottle (cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com) wrote:
: >I should mention that the US realized this advantage.  Japan still believed
: >till the end of WWII that the battleship could be used for naval assualt,
: >an error which proved very costly at the battle for Leyte gulf, and which
: >resulted in the sinking of the Yamamoto.
: 
: The battleship was the "Yamato", the admiral was Yamamoto.  The Yamato, and
: its sister ship, Musagi (or something close to that) were the only ships to
: mount 18" main battery guns, as opposed to the normal 16" guns.

Sister ship was Musashi.

Two others were planned, one was converted into a carrier during
construction, and the fourth was scrapped.  Note also that the Britich
*light cruiser* Furious, along with several coastal defence ships, mounted
18" guns.  18" guns were also designed at Dahlgren for the proposed US
Montana class.  Lastly, there was nothing 'standard' about 16" guns.  The
US constructed ships of the WWII era used 16" as standards, as did the
Rodney and Nelson of the Royal Navy; the French Richilieu and Italian
Vittorio might also have.  But the majority of ships in service in WWII
used 14" and 15" mains.

(Yeah, I know -- it has nothing to do with Trek, but Naval History is my
other favourite topic :)

CJW

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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: AirForce/Army vs StarFleet
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 18:14:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan09.062255.5732@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>No fighters? Remember, these are 'peaceful' people that never
>ever want to fight. They're also incredibly stupid. Fighters
>would have helped a %^&* of a lot more than that stupid science
>vessel.

Oh, but they do have fighters. Recall "Best of Both Worlds II",
the Mars Perimeter Defense ships (ignore the luck that Mars was
actually on the same side of the sun as Earth), which managed to
get of at least a couple shots at the Borg before being plucked
off 1-2-3. :)

Joshua
From: ko_mike@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Michael Y Ko)
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Subject: Re: 1701-D Saucer going warp speed
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:12:05 -0500
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You're right in that the Saucer section would slow down. The warp field
surrounding the Saucer section would dissipate causing the Saucer section
to fall out of warp. However, the the Inertial Damping Fields would
ensure that everyone in the Saucer section would not feel the momental problems
caused by decceleration.