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             GNET: an Archive and Electronic Journal

                 Toward a *Truly* Global Network

   Computer-mediated communication networks are growing rapidly, yet
   they are not truly global -- they are concentrated in affluent
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   GNET is an archive/journal for documents pertaining to the effort
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From:         Abdel <TECHMAN@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: APPCDEMO assemble under ESA/370 ??

On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 14:04:49 PST Dwight M. McCann said:
>
>Abdel - I wrote and tested APPCDEMO on VM/XA SP 2.1 and VTAM 3.3.  I don't
>have access to ESA.  It would be helpful if you were a bit more explicit
>about your problem than, "I could not even assemble it."

I am sorry Dwight for not being very specific. I just wanted to know if any
one else had successfully ran it under ESA 370.


>Do you mean that
>the assembler wouldn't process the source?  Were the instructions somehow
>corrupted?  Was the source corrupted?  Were there instructions that your
>assembler didn't recognize?  Were there macros that were not found in the
>MACLIBs you were accessing (and if so, which MACROs weren't found and
>which MACLIBs were GLOBALed?)  Were there addressibility problems or problems
>with literals?  Which assembler were you using?  Have you ever successfully
>assembled code that used VTAM macros?  APPCCMD? OPEN on an ACB?  Do you have
>reason to believe that your problem is confined to APPCDEMO?
>
Here is what I did:

1) - Used vmfsetup to access all necessary disks.
     Added vtamac and vtambld maclibs to DMSVM CNTRL file
     Used Vmfasm to assemble Appcdemo
2) - vmfsetup was done with the 3 vm components. CMS, GCS, and CP and
     every time an attemp was made to assemble APPCDEMO the same assembling
     error messages occured:
      -    Undefined symbol for statments containing:
                 FLS, FLSVMID,

      - Undefined op code for statments containing:
                 IUCVINI, IUCVCOM, SHOWCB, BASR, BAS,

  The above listed statments must come from somewhere. Isn't BASR and BAS
  some assemble op code for VM/XA ONLY ??? I do not know. Anyone knows.
  What should i  do to be able to assemble APPCDEMO. Any MACLIB or MACROS
  I do not know about. Is there any documentation anywhere that can direct
  me in assembling APPC Programs ?
  Thank you
  AG
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Subject: MRI and CT-SCAN Images For Dogs?
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Netters,
      I am currently working on a research project that involves construction 
of realistic, solid or geometric models for dogs.
      Does anyone know where I can get serial section images( MRI, CT-SCAN, 
etc ) for dogs?
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
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Subject: Edge Detection And Segmentation Using Khoros And PV-WAVE Software
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Netters,
        I am currently working on a research project that involves generating
solid or geometric models from MRI images. Part of the procedure will require 
me to possibly perform Thresholding & Edge Detection on my MRI images in order
to find out which pixels lie on boundaries between two different regions. 
Thus, I would like to have an Image Processing Software package that has good 
Edge Detection and Classification ( Segmentation ) modules/routines.  
        I have heard a lot about Khoros ( University Of New Mexico) and 
PV-WAVE (Precision Visuals) and was curious if other professionals or students
had any experience on how good they are for the above purposes. Suggestions 
on other software packages are also much welcome.
                                                       Thanks,
                                                              Ahmed Nadeem
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From:         Username was LODEESEN <LODEESENJ@ADMINB.RFERL.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Democracy, Freedom of Speech and the courts.....

Sorry, no inspection of history--only a reassertion of position--can
substantiate a claim that the system is unresponsive to demonstrations of
its flaws.  It is in fact precisely this characteristic which distinguishes
the existing system in this country from Utopian systems proposed or
attempted.  That the examples you see are only from the far right or far
left or are used by politicians to get votes is, aside from your characteriza-
tion of sources (you could drop "far" in the sake of accuracy and "right" and
"left" for the sake of clarity.  If you believe that studies are forgotten
right after election, where do they go when forgotten?  What is the device?
Soviet society attempted to create memory holes by denying access to archives
or ordering people to cut pages out of books they already had.  If it could
have worked at all, it would have required more total control than is possible
with the current flow of ideas and information (in which you, Zahir, are
participating) and more complicity from more people.  The system responds.
You continue to observe that its responses are not perfect and concede that it
does sometimes work but that doesn't matter.  That line leads, as others have
tried to help you see, nowhere.  Good luck in formulating an approach with
which you are happier, but don't forget to check with the imperfect rest of us.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:33:56 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Democracy or no

Regarding Ron Dellums and Berkeley, Ca and your reply to Doug,  Berkeley is a
far away from mainstream America as can be....and I think Ron
Dellums will face opposition and inspection far greater than
many others in congress....

zahir
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Our Christian nation
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:43:17 GMT
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In a previous article, nasatir@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU (Dave Nasatir) says:

>As I recall, Amish children in Pennsylvania, a number of years
>ago, were chased down by the state police and required to
>attend public school even though it was , apparently,
>offensive to their religious principles (or, perhaps, principals,
>in that case).
>
Where and when was this?  I more or less live down there for several weeks
every year, and have friends that are "native".  In Landcaster county
at least, this has never happened as far as I know.  Amish kids go to
schools run by their own religious denomination until the 8th grade.  After
that, most stop school, but a few go on to high school and even college.
Most of the latter, though, change religions at some point.  What you're
talking about must have happened about 20 years ago or more, or I'd have
heard about it.

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:29:49 -0800
From:         ANNA VONDIELINGEN <AVONDEIL@BESTLA.CALSTATELA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Media/communicatioons

Jon, and Phil, I agree that one must use the system to change it.  More people
must be educated and must vote, otherwise it's all just mental masturbation.
Anna
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:22:28 -0500
From:         "Douglass St. Christian" <stchri@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Democracy or no

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Dave Nasatir wrote:

> Dougl
> for what it's worth, I think the creation of a new "people"
> from a remarkebly heterogenous base and
> persisting in a relatively stable government (only one
> civil war and a general level of civil unrest that's not
> as good )low) as it should be but not as hihg as in
> other heterogenous groupings.  I think thats pretty monumental
> and amazing.
>
>         Dave


Perhaps, Dave, but is that a function of 'american democracy'. I don't
think so. Something else, some other fundamental value, has created, for
better or for worse, an AMERICAN ideal which has persisted, in relative
stability, for over 100 years.

David Scheider talks about a sort of general sense of national kinship as
being at the heart o Americanness.

However, this caveat needs to be kept in mind - while there has been a
rough stability of general American identity, that identity has been
highly exclusive - excluding blacks, women, the poor and so on.

Perhaps the stability and persistence of the white American middle class
is monumental but, something to be proud of???

I wonder.....


Dougl
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:57:05 -0500
From:         Joyce Neu <ccjn@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Inauguration prayer

Thanks for some of your comments on Billy Graham's prayer. Ruth--I don't
hold a thing against Billy Graham for doing what he does. I'm sorry to see
this symbolism, hollow or not, perpetuated.

Ruth said: Those who don't believe in
> them or just plain don't like them can tune them out.  I don't think public
> prayers really mean anything anymore in this culture anyway.  It's kind of
> pointless to become upset about something that's essentially hollow.  "In God

I take exception at 2 points above: 1) the notion that those excluded
should just ignore the exclusion, and 2) that it's pointless to "become
upset about something that's essentially hollow."   Am I carrying this too
far to say that many in our society have only become included because they
have _not_ ignored the exclusion, and because they have not believed it
pointless to become upset--and have taken positive, constructive action to
change the situation?

> itself uses "man" or "men" as an inclusive term for both sexes.  So even
> if he didn't mean to say it, he said it.:-) [just a linguistic quibble from

"Man," "men," "he," "his," etc. are _not_ perceived as inclusive terms for
both sexes by college women given a series of sentences to rate as
including a) only women; b) only men; c) men and women.  Female college
students at Penn State Univ. given lists of sentences to rate clearly
show that they do not feel included in such sentences as "Men work to
better their lives" and other "inclusive" male generic terms. This study is
reported on in a Master's thesis written by Joan de Foreest at Penn
State--I'm sure there've been other studies as well. Traditionally male
generic/inclusive language is no longer.

But, to respond to others, I was thrilled with the inauguration as the
beginning (I hope) of a return to a more caring, less materialistic
American society.  I was just sorry to see that this less materialistic,
more caring society was begun with such conspicuous consumption. "Le plus
ca change, le plus c'est la meme chose..."???  Seeing a President who gets
up and sings to the songs I danced to growing up is just too groovy for
words...!!  And who is not afraid to make a fool of himself playing the
sax. Nice to have a Prez. who may sincerely like people.

Cheers,
Joyce
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From:         nora l ishibashi <nli1@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Time to introduce yourself!

Hello Mark Charles. Where is Oneonta State College? I am near Chicago. What
do you intend to do with a speech and theater major and how come you are
intersted in other cultures?
Nora L. Ishibashi
University of Chicago
nli1@midway.uchicago.edu
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From:         Richard Chowning <chowning@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      Clinton Admin. Reports

I am not sure how many of you are aware of Clinton (list).  It is a list, from
what I can tell was begun during the campaign and is now growing into an
information source from the Administration.  The reason I thought of posting
this to you, my friends on xcult, is that today a full text speech by Al
Gore was posted to the list.  The speech concerned, "No more back door
enterance for special interest groups."  It seems to fit on of the present
threads on xcult.

I will forward that speech, via private message, to anyone who desire it.

To subscribe to Clinton is the usual manner.

Send a message to      listserv@marist.bitnet
the message should read
         subscribe  Clinton  <your first name> <last name>

--- Chelagoi
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:55:39 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Inauguration prayer

Joyce,

To get elected in this country as president....besides being a white
male  who is not bald, wears glasses, has facial hair, not smoke in
public, single, non christian and so on....one has to lie like hell and make
promises one cannot possibly keep....  Once elected, one must be
adebt at explaining away why they could not keep promises..........
and then in the second year begin running for reelection by distributing
money and contracts in every important state needed for reelection....

zahir
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Subject:      Re: Time to introduce yourself!
              20 Jan 1993 21:43:02 EST from <oliver@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Why i subscribed to X-Cult.
Well, it was my interest in international politics, ethnics and my
believe, that only a crosscultural community, that accepts jews
besides christs, moslems besides atheists is able to face the problems
of the year 2000 and beyond.
And, as a second point, I wanted to be able to get a first hand
picture of what is happening in other countries.
Uwe
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