HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Mr. Platypus is a lonely man with false beliefs.
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:49:59 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Dec13.182905.23540@timesink.chi.il.us> harry@timesink.chi.il.us (Harold Platypus) writes:
>
>>      I take it you don't support the separation of church and state. I
>>recommend you pack up your stuff and move to Iran.
>>
>I support it wholeheartedly... I simply loathe those who pick it up as
>a battle cry and stir up trouble where none existed before. Sort of like
>me... I'm stirring up trouble here where y'all are complacent and happy
>in yer little niche. Ya know what? Y'ALL DON'T LIKE IT...

I kinda like watching you make a fool out of yourself. Very entertaining.
Seriously though, I understand that you probably have been repressing your
thoughts for a long time now, and this forum is IMHO a good place to
begin to voice some of your thoughts, even if you're not very rational yet.

>I WILL NOT! I like it here. It's now my mission to disturb your
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(Is this a Freudian slip?)
>sensibilities and make you think about other peoples feelings besides
>your own... I happened to like the seal of the City of Zion, Illinois.
>It gives me great pleasure to know that, after the court ruling, the
>new seal was emblazened with the motto "In God We Trust". That'll show
>you to what lengths the majority will go to foil your "Bah Humbug"

Here's a simple concept for you: The might of majority does not make right.
Not simple enough for you? Try this: 
We're not animals, We're cizilized human beings.

>>      When things are going down the toilet, I prefer to put my trust in
>>things that EXIST, thank you.
>>
>Oh ye of little faith... :-)

Actually the quantity of my faith in a god is zero, not little.
Do you understand what the word "zero" means? If you don't, look it up.

>be insulting to everyone. I despise the militant, activist atheist not
>for his beliefs or non-beliefs... but for the ridiculous lawsuits they
>file and the living hell they put their kids through. Like the stroke
>that sued the Boy Scouts of America for crying out loud... like his
>little boy is going to be made welcome now... bullshit! He will be one
>alienated little boy who will be the target for all sorts of abuse at

The people who do the alienating and abuse are wrong, not the people who
stand up and confront the alienation and abuse. Remember this for it is
important.

                -John David Munch
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.flame
From: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Subject: Re: is it necessary to hate?
Reply-To: bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:10:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.031253.9011@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi
Hausmann) writes:
>I wonder why Heather chose "The Buzzard" for her .signature.
>Do you think it's because prosletyzing Christians are the
>moral equivalent of carrion-eaters, only feeding upon those
>who no longer have the ability to defend themselves?
>
>Just wondering.

No, I don't think so.  Could you take all personal attacks to
alt.flame?  Your hate-monger attitude is a little childish.

It's one thing the strike back at someone who has attacked you
or your beliefs in a "impolite" manner, but I don't see what
Heather has done so far to deserve this kind of attack.
I have disagreed with some of the things she has said, but
dropping below your opponent's level of reasoning just
makes your arguement seem weaker.

Brian /-|-\
=============================================================
The Truth is still the Truth 
even if you choose to ignore it.
John 14:6
=============================================================
From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Strong vs. Weak atheism
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:05:36 GMT
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 06:02:26 GMT, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) said:

> According to the FAQ, atheism is usually defined in this group as
> the "absence of a belief in any gods" (so-called "weak atheism"),
> rather than the "belief in no god(s)" (so-called "strong atheism").
> [...]

> (To say that an atheist believes that God *may* exist seems an alien
> concept to me, as I had always considered atheists and agnostics to
> be distinctly different groups.)

It's not possible to prove that no gods exist.  It's even kind of hard
to get much evidence for that, given that gods nowadays aren't
supposed to interfere that much with the world.  So atheists tend to
just not believe in any gods, and tend to be 99% sure that there
aren't any.  Maybe a bit more than 99%.

I think people call themselves agnostics when they are still actively
seeking faith, and atheists when they've stopped looking.  This
follows usage of my aquaintances anyway.  YMMV.

--
Bruce              CMSR, University of Liverpool
Use PGP 2.0; make private email private!  My public key available by
fingering me or on request.
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Just how much smarter are atheists?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:11:02 GMT

In article <910773f.30.724186770@ace.acadiau.ca> 910773f@ace.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE) writes:
>>example, I don't see how anyone could say "There is a God-shaped hope
>>in everyone" with a straight face unless that person had put
>>absolutely no thought into religious differences at all.
>First of all, it is a hole, not a hope.  Though perhaps that was a Freudian 
>slip....?  Everyone, whether they will admit it or not, knows that they have 
>a soul.  Noone can possibly believe that `I', what makes me `me', my 
>thoughts, my feelings, my personality, is merely a product of atoms jumping 
>around in the brain.

Who appointed you spokesperson for the entire world?  Maybe you can't possibly
believe this.  Does that mean everyone in the whole world can't believe it,
or does it mean that you're projecting your state of mind on others who might
not share it?

>You all know that there is something intangible that 
>is `you'.  This is spirituality - not believing in ghosts, but believing in 
>people.  All people also wonder, at least a little bit, `why'.  This is the 
>God-shaped hole.  The longing for a purpose, the human condition.

That's not a God-shaped hole.  That's a God-_idea_-shaped hole.  Whether or
not this "hole" is "filled" by religion has nothing to do with whether or not
the God it suggests is really _there_.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Monitored by islam (repost)
Date: 20 Dec 92 09:34:27 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <jon.taylor.67.724552893@uuserv.cc.utah.edu> jon.taylor@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (JON M. TAYLOR) writes:
<In article <12084@scott.ed.ac.uk> iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
<>In article <1992Dec13.111626.1@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> phs179b@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Dien Rice) writes:
[...]
<	Actually, I think religious discrimination is as bad as racial 
<discrimination, but only in some ways.  For example, if your religion (or 
<the way that you individually interpret it) causes you to be a dickhead to 
<the people around you, they have a right to be pissed at you for that 
<without be labeled as discriminatory.  

That's a good point.  The functioning and the very survival of society
is a function of the views and the behaviour, but not the physical
appearance, of all its members.  The views and the behaviour of people
have nothing to do with their skin colour, but they have a lot to do
with their religion.

<>>If communism was NOT atheist,
<>
<>What would it mean for communism to be atheist?
<
<	I think he's referring to atheism being an 'integral part' of 
<communism, like a lot of people think that a market economy is an integral 
<part of democracy (neither statement is true, BTW).

I still don't see what sense it makes to say that an attitude towards
a certain concept (namely, the lack of belief that an instance of this
concept exists in the universe we live in) is an integral part of a
social system (namely, one based on contribution according to
capability and distribution according to need).

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:13:24 GMT

David Sumner (sumner@math.scarolina.edu) wrote:
:
: Suzanne Forgach writes in reply to Gordon Storga:

[deletia]

: > The historical Jesus
:
:
: What historical documents are you referring to? Virtually all
: biblical scholars agree that there is little (if any)
: historical evidence for Jesus outside of the writings of the
: Bible and that of Josephus. I do think it is likely that
: there was a man named Jesus,and that he was crucified. But
: that's all I can see much of a case for.

Actually, there is a good argument that some passages of the "Antiquities" of
Josephus may in fact be forgeries.  These happen to be some of the more 
grandiose pronouncements about the person of JC.
-- 
Mike A. McAngus	(mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org) | The train today to Morrow leaves today
The Truth is still the Truth           | at 8:35.  At half-past ten tomorrow is
even if you choose to ignore it.       | the time it should arrive.
                                       |                    The Kingston Trio
From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: "Separation of Church and State"
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:11:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <parsons.724484675@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> parsons@cis.ksu.edu (Scott S Parish ) writes:
>When the Court excerpted Jefferson's words
>in the Everson case, it did not bother to present the context in which
>the phrase had originally been used, nor reveal that it had been applied
>in an opposite manner in previous Supreme Court cases."  
>
>David Bartion, THE MYTH OF SEPARATION, WallBuilder Press, p.41-43, 1992.

  I had the "privilege" of talking with the author of this book on a
  fundamentalist christian radio talk show two or three monts ago.  
  The man was, quite frankly, an asshole. 

  I informed him that I could provide several tens of quotes
  showing that many of the founding fathers were antagonistic
  towards, at the very least, established religion.  His counter was
  that I was misinformed.  I couldn't produce the quotes at the
  time, since I was at home and the're on disk here at work, so I
  was left with little more than a "thank you for your
  condescension".  

  While I haven't read the book, I rather doubt you'll find it to be
  an even remotely objective study of separation.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

"Look, I tried the cat experiment.  On the third trial, the cat was
dead.  On each of the subsequent 413 trials, it remained dead.  Am I
doing something wrong?"
			James Nicoll

Q.  How many Heisenbergs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A.  If you know the number, you don't know where the light bulb is!

Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Discrimination?
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:16:13 GMT

Wild and Crazy Kind of Girl (shari@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
:
: Hi! I have a couple questions for all atheists:
:
: - Do you tell most people what your beliefs are?

Yes, when it comes up in conversation.

: - If you do profess your lack of belief in a god, do you encounter prejudice
: or discrimination?

I haven't encountered disicrimination, but many people are prejudicial and some
get down right abusive.

:
: I would love to hear from you!
:
: shari@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Happy to oblige.
-- 
Mike A. McAngus	(mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org) 

Like I really need another time-consuming hobby.
This Posting Exploits Illiterates.
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Religion = Anything that's fun is bad.
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:39:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.023022.2566@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>          **************************************
>          *    The Truth is still the Truth    *
>          *  Even if you choose to ignore It.  *
>          *              * * * *               *
>          *     Have you heard about God?      *
>          *          Well, forget it.          *
>          **************************************

Hee hee hee, this is getting better all the time.

Years ago, I found a pamphlet which proclaimed on its title page:
HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT JESUS?
under which some freethinker wrote:
YES, HE'S DEAD.

Just another useful .sig line ...


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
Truth:  You ignore it, it ignores you.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From: aet@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Jumpin' Jack Flash)
Subject: Re: Clarification
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:22:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.023226.7641@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	Please forgive me, but since there are no articles in
>this newsgroup, it's hard to figure out the following:
>
>WHAT THE HELL IS THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT?	

I've been a subscribed to this newsgroup for a long while, and I was
wondering more or less the same thing.  

There must be SOME PCNews going about somewhere, or maybe my feed for
articles this conference has been cut off, although yours got here okay.

Merry Christmas from the United Kingdom.

Jack

Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Clarification
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:32:26 GMT


	Please forgive me, but since there are no articles in
this newsgroup, it's hard to figure out the following:

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT?	

					-Quinn
From: covici@ccs.covici.com (John Covici)
Reply-To: covici@ccs.covici.com
Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
Subject: Re: Clarification
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:39:8 GMT
Organization: Covici Computer Systems

qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord" @ University of Virginia) once wrote....
>
>  Please forgive me, but since there are no articles in
>this newsgroup, it's hard to figure out the following:
>
>WHAT THE HELL IS THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT?   


It was originally started to discuss a package called pcnews which is 
a very nice news reader for DOS systems -- which is still in BETA, 
but the author of this package hasn't worked on it for about 9/10 
months and so things have been very quiet around here.  If he's 
listening, I wish he would finish or let others.

Its a nice package for reading news if you have uupc/extended -- a
DOS uucp clone.

----
         John Covici
          covici@ccs.covici.com

Newsgroups: alt.pcnews
From: jpasini@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (Dagan)
Subject: Re: Clarification
Originator: jpasini@araucaria
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:51:16 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile

In article <1992Dec16.023226.7641@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	Please forgive me, but since there are no articles in
>this newsgroup, it's hard to figure out the following:
>
>WHAT THE HELL IS THIS NEWSGROUP ABOUT?	
>
>					-Quinn

 	Then we're two on the same quest! Maybe it's a bogus group...

							Dagan.
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:36:34 GMT

Nothing against the hip up-to-date stuff, but if you're
just starting architecture you may wish to look at something
a little more basic than "Sexuality & Space."

Try Gideon's "Space Time and Architecture" or Frampton's
"Modern Architecture : A Critical History." Not only are these good
books, but you're likely to need them as your academic career
moves along. Frampton has appeared in just about every bibliography
I've written since I acquired the book 5 year's back.

For the up to date stuff check out copies of Perspecta, Harvard
Arch. Review, Modulus and other academic journals from the library.
No reason to spend a lot of money lining Rizzoli's pockets until
you start developing your own particular interests.


Micah Rosen
B.S. Architecture Univ. of Virginia 1990
M. Arch. Rice University 1993 ("please please please")

"Rubbernecking is merely an indication of the disinteresting
 quality of our own modern lives ... "
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen)
Subject: Re: bbbbbbbbbbbb as a career?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:37:01 GMT


carraro@elde1.epfl.ch writes:
>I do not think that you can have a great
>career being a simple architect

This begs the question of what constitutes a simple architect.

If you pick a few issues to deal with in the practice
of architecture and devote yourself to those issues (rather than
cluttering up your life trying to chase every possible idea)
you stand a very go chance of doing good design work and having
a satisfying career.

Any number of the historically important architects
(especially Mies, Loos, and Wright) would be able to reduce
their extremely masterful work down to a very simple set of
concerns. ( Corb could have but would never have admitted that
in public ... )

This desire for complexity, to proove one's mastery of architecture
by incorporating every possible bit of one's understanding of 
architecture (and the world in general) into every project may
actually be undermining our position as designers of the physical
environment.

I'm sure Rice University is not the only place Rem Koolhaas has
lectured recently but he makes valid points about architects
overstepping the bounds of the profession. Notably, he has said
that if architects go about their jobs of designing more or less
masterful (I believe by masterful he actually refers to competent)
buildings the world can figure out how to use those buildings.



Micah S. Rosen
B. Sci. Architecture / Univ. of Virginia 1990
M. Architecture / Rice Universtiy 1993 (please please please!)


"To much architecture, not enough beach ... "

"Planned communities are for people with no plans of their own ... "
Xref: sparky alt.architecture:276 soc.culture.usa:9146
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: New York City historical question
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:03:14
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognito.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu's message of 11 Dec 1992 18:54:58 GMT

I don't know much of the history.  I worked in 60 Hudson Street for a
while, though, and I can tell you that it's a stunning art deco
building.  The lobby is amazing and the higher offices have good views
of the Hudson delta.

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com
From: pkosidow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul G Kosidowski)
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:19:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: pkosidow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: pkosidow@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <gf_rgla00iV141lXIn@andrew.cmu.edu>, by dh4z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Shihhao Hsu):
> Greetings to anyone reading this,
> 
> I'm looking for some good architectural books, any recommendations?
> 
> Daniel Hsu

I'm not sure what you're looking for Daniel, but one thing I've been very 
interested in is _Sexuality & Space_ edited by Beatriz Colomina. This is
the kind of stuff that's going on at the intersection of architecture theory
cultural studies these days.  And I'd be interested in starting a discussion
about anything in this book. If you're interested in one view of it, there's
a review of it in the latest Voice Literary Supplement.

Thanks
Paul Kosidowski
Modern Studies
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: mzajac@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Stephen Zajac)
Subject: job posting
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:33:11 GMT

I am posting this for a friend.  Please direct enquiries to the Faculty of
Architecture:  (204) 474-9558, fax:  (204) 275-7198, or to the address below
---------------
 
Applications are invited for a tenure track appointment at the Assistant 
Professor rank for the Departments of Architecture and City Planning.  
Appointment to begin July 1, 1993.  Candidates must have a professional 
degree in Architecture with advanced studies in City Planning and 
Computer Aided Design.  Candidates should hold at least a Master's degree 
in Architecture or City Planning.  Teaching experience is required.  
Salary will be commensurate with qualifications and experience.  The 
successful candidate must be qualified to teach design studio, Computer 
Aided Design, and Computer Aided Planning Courses.  He/She will maintain 
a central role in the development and organization of a Faculty computer 
centre and should therefore have previous experience in dealing with 
industry.  The successful candidate will also develop and deliver 
training programs, direct service contracts employing CAD, and be 
responsible for preparing service contract applications.  The University 
of Manitoba encourages applications from qualified women and men, 
including members of visible minorities, aboriginal people, and persons 
with disabilities.  The University provides a smoke-free work 
environment, save for specially designated areas.  Priority consideration 
will be given to Canadian citizens and permanent residents.  Submit 
curriculum vitae and three letters of reference to:  Dr. Mario Carvalho, 
Associate Dean, Faculty of Architecture, University of Manitoba, 
Winnipeg, Manitoba, R3T 2N2 before December 31, 1992.
 

-- 
Michael Zajac (Dept of Landscape Architecture)
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, MB R3T 2N2
phone:  (204) 474 6449
Newsgroups: alt.architecture
From: bennett@fester.dell.com (Patrick Bennett - x6736)
Subject: Re: Mud Brick Construction - Info Request
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:18:51 GMT

If you are looking for information on solar, earth-sheltered, or traditional
building forms, you might want to ask at a local university or college which
has an architecture or environmental design program.  The program at the
University of Colorado at Boulder has dealt with these issues in the past,
and hopefully will continue to do so.  Phil Tabb, the resident solar design
professor is a good person to contact.

University of Colorado                   (303) 492-7711
College of Environmental Design
Campus Box 314
Boulder, CO 80309
ATTN: Phil Tabb

Patrick Bennett

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