From: valerie@athena.mit.edu (who me?)
Subject: Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:29:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.091854.8059@ists.ists.ca> sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.225027.9711@athena.mit.edu> valerie@athena.mit.edu (who me?) writes:

>Oh, so now you are under the impression that I have a k00l haircut,
>and consider myself to be "industrialer than thee" etc. -- well sorry
>I don't.  I'm here to tell you that the industrial culture is dead and
>gone.  All that's left is a corpse, twisting in the AM radio waves.

I mourn for you.  But please don't blame me because some idiot somewhere
decided to use the word "industrial" to refer to the music that I like
and you resent.  It's really not my fault.

>Sure there are still some good bands around that call themselves
>industrial, or get called that.  In fact quite a few.  But as a genre,
>with a subculture, etc., it's history.  (And no, I'm not about to claim
>that it ended in the 70's.  I think it was alive and well in recent
>years)  

Ah HA!  It's another one of those "real" vs. "disco" industrial flames
in disguise!  Almost had me fooled for a bit there.  More fault of that
aforementioned idiot.

>As to how I can tell that you're mainstream: I can't.  But I'm
>willing to bet you're the sort of "industrial disco" fan that I
>find so repulsive.  I might lose this bet -- but then again, I
>might not.

I never claimed to be a fan of "real" industrial, yes, in fact I *do*
listen to quite a bit of industrial disco, and I listen to quite a bit
that's not.  I'm not a great fan of the "real" stuff, mostly because I
have yet to find any that I like.  (which may change, an acquaintence
just left me a box of a couple hundred CDs to babysit for a few months,
and it contains lots of the stuff, maybe I *will* find something that I
like.  We'll have to wait and see.)

You may have missed my point before, but all my ranting a couple of msgs
back was about all the attitude that goes with the so-called "industrial
disco".  The "new" industrial cutlture, so to speak.

>Who's wasting time?  I'm enjoying this immensely.  Does this make me
>vindictive, spiteful, cynical, etc?  Of course.  

I'm too cynical to be a cynic myself.  The "culture" is fine, but I
don't really want to be a part of it, I don't have the time.  I'd just
rather sit alone in my room and listen to the music, not run around
embracing it's misunderstood messages with my wardrobe and attitude.  I
resent being called one of those "mainstream alternative" idiots because
I don't own a leather jacket.  The music itself is what matters to me.

>But I manage to find
>enjoyment in these things just as much as in others.  If you're looking
>for hippies, try rec.nude.

Whatever rocks your boat, dear.  Just don't go around pointing fingers
at specific people and start calling them names.  Especially people you
don't know, or just don't understand.

>>>She doesn't have to buy into it.  She IS the crap that goes along
>>>with the genre.
>>
>>No dear, YOU are the crap that goes along with the genre.  
>
>You forgot to add: "Nyah nyah nyah nyah"

Excuse me, I forgot.  Nyah nyah nyah nyah!  :)

>Oh I'm sure quite a few people have hit their N and K keys by now.
>Obviously you're not one of them.

Nah, not yet.  I like a good intellectually challenging discussion
hiding behind a flame-fest every now and then.

-valerie
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