From: jad@ckuxb.att.com (John A Dinardo)
Subject: Part XIII, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:51:33 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
JONES HARRIS:
When I was fortunate enough again to interview John McCloy some
years before he died, and sat with him and his wife in his home
in Connecticut, and we talked things over, he said to me as I was
leaving: "Mr. Harris, we realized afterwards that there were many
things that were never told to us."   Now this was important,
coming from John McCloy because John McCloy had been priveleged
to deal in intelligence matters for the United States from 1917
on. I thought that that was an important admission. I believe
that Organized Crime played a very important role in the Kennedy
assassination, Gary, but I do not think that is the total story.
And one of the reasons I think it's not the total story is the
very thing that John Davis mentioned. I do not believe that
Trafficante would have said to a non-Mob person that "Kennedy was
going to be hit" if Organized Crime themselves were sending in
the killers. I do not believe that he would then have made that
comment to a non-Organized Crime person. I do believe that what
Organized crime did was ..... this crime could have taken place 
in Miami. It could have taken place in Dallas. It was a moveable
feat. It could have taken place in Chicago. But wherever it was
going to take place, Organized Crime's contacts with those police
figures who were corrupt were going to be very important to
making the thing come out the right way. And there is no question
that in the Dallas area, that man was Jack Ruby.

GARY NULL:
Alright.  We're going to pause and reflect on all of this, put
this into perspective, and recapitulate some of the things that
John Davis has suggested.
John, are you back on the line?

JOHN DAVIS:
Yes, I am.

GARY NULL:
I'd also like to introduce Gaeton Fonzi. Welcome to our program,
Mr. Fonzi.

GAETON FONZI:
Thank you.

GARY NULL:
We're going to come to you in just a moment because you are a
highly respected investigator and journalist. You were an
investigator for the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
And we're going to get your perspective. 

Again, it is not our intention to suggest that one group, one
individual alone [is guilty], but rather, we're looking at all of
the pieces and saying: What evidence do we have that was not and
has not been made the primary focus of either the Warren
Commission or the general news media presentation in taking it to
a level that, up to this point, simply has not existed. And also,
we're going to deal with some of the inconsistencies that have
occurred and some of the theories that have gone on. So we're
going to come to these issues in just a moment.

Now, because this is a non-commercial public access station, WBAI,
and as a part of the overall Pacifica Network throughout the
United States, several times a year we have to take a couple of 
weeks and just raise some funds so that the station can continue,
so that we can keep ourselves commercial-free.

.......

For twenty-seven years, as an award-winnning investigative
journalist who has broken more stories -- over two hundred and
seventy-three major stories in the areas of medicine, the
environment, consumer health issues, I have always had to start
off with the problem of not just convincing the American Public
that there is something wrong with something that they were
believing in and trusting in, but I also had to go up against the
very forces who have enormous economic power and who have control
over the media. For instance, just two days ago, the New York
Times, in an editorial, started to talk about the fact that there
was a challenge against the theory that the HIV virus is the
single cause of AIDS.  Where was the New York Times eight years
ago when this information was readily available?  And where was
Time Magazine twenty-five years ago talking about vitamins?
NOW they say that vitamins help to prevent diseases like cancer.
Yes, vitamins do. But the evidence has been there all along. And
it hasn't been hidden. The evidence has been there that the HIV
virus is not the single cause of AIDS. It could not POSSIBLY be
the single cause of AIDS. There's no science to prove that, by
itself, it causes anything. And yet, why is it that no one has
written about it? Today's Amsterdam News writes about it.

The problem is that you have three things to contend with.
First, is convincing someone that something they thought was true
is not. Secondly, trying to deal with the idea that if you're
going to challenge the Status Quo -- as we're challenging the
Status Quo on the Kennedy Assassination -- that means you're
challenging something that people believe in almost as much as
they believe in themselves, or their parents, or their whole
life. And that is: orthodoxy; that is: authority. So it takes a
great deal of effort for the person to even be open to an idea
that challenges the prevailing view. And then, thirdly, is to see
whether or not they believe you enough to even look at the
evidence you have, and then try it. Why do you think, for
instance, just now we changed the Basic Four Food Group, which
was a SCAM. It was a fraud. It was unscientific. It was an
economic ploy. And it killed people by the hundreds of thousands
and millions because they were saturating their bodies and their
arteries with cholesterol and fats. And it causes heart disease
and cancer. Well now we know that. Alright?  That's known.
BUT, we knew that all along. Certain people knew it. Just like
my guests today .... they have information that they've had for a
long time. Mr. Harris has had information for a long time. He had
information in 1978 that nobody wanted to pay attention to.
"Nobody", meaning mainstream media, and mainstream belief
systems. But it didn't matter. He has continued. We have a forum.
It's a small forum, but we have a forum for it.

......

AMY GOODMAN:
For a contribution of fifty dollars, you support Gary Null
here every weekday, and you support WBAI, a commercial-free radio
station that would dare to put Gary Null on the air as much as we
do. We don't have corporate sponsors. We don't have drug companies
who say: "We don't want our dogma, our ideology challenged."     
Of course, they wouldn't say that on the air, but they would say
it to management. But we are corporate-free. We are commercial-free.
And that's what makes us important. That's what enables us to
bring you Gary Null. If that is a philosophy that is important to
you, (212) 279-3400 is the number to call and support WBAI.

GARY NULL:
Right now, we're in the midst of a special twenty-five-part
investigation on conspiracies, cover-ups and hidden agendas.
We're looking at life in a way that we've never been told existed.

On the conference phone we now have Jones Harris, we have Gaeton
Fonzi, and we also have John Davis. I'd like to come back to you
at this time, Mr. Harris. If you would please continue talking
about what we now know about the Warren Commission and the
information that it chose to accept and review, and that which it
chose to EXCLUDE, including individuals whose testimony or
evidence it chose not to use, and that information that it chose
to use, which now in retrospect, anyone can see should not have
been included.

JONES HARRIS:
Gary, if I may, let me answer your question in a slightly broader
way than you're suggesting because the limits of your question
would better go to Mr. Fonzi or to John Davis.

But let me say this to the public that is interested in this.
Not only did the Warren Commission go well out of its way not to
explore the Organized Crime end of this thing. Sad to say, he's a
man whom I knew well -- and I know that he's dying at this moment
-- but I have to say that Jim Garrison is also a man who did
everything he could (and I worked for him down there) to shield
the Organized Crime community. I'll give you one example of that,
if this might be of interest to you.

The first day I went down to work for him (and I like him very
much. A very personable fellow), he said: "Jones, what's the
first thing you'd like to do?"  And I raised the name of Carlos
Marcello. And this great big six-foot-seven giant looked down at
me and he said: "Well Jones, of course, Carlos used to be in
Organized Crime, but he's just a businessman now."  And there was
a pause, and then Garrison said to me: "Jones, you and I can have
lunch with Carlos whenever you want."                         
Now this was one of the first things that I found worrying when I
started to work down there. 
                      (to be continued)
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      If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
      assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
      and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. 
      As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass media's thirty-year
      cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of 
      the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
      ever more striking.

         John DiNardo


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