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From: musicman@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Rebholz)
Subject: Re: Y.A.C.T.Q (Yet Another Chord Therory Question)
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  9 Sep 92 15:31:17 GMT

In <28924@sophia.inria.fr> glaurent@wombat.inria.fr (Guillaume Laurent) writes:

[...]

>What I didn't get is that the given examples in the book contain 7th chords:
>C F G7.

>Ok, it still sounds pretty nice, but just for my information, I'd like to know:
>why 7th? Just because it sounds nice, or is there any harmonic rule behind it
>that I didn't get? (if it happens to be the case, what is this rule?)

The G7 cherd leads into the c chord a little better that just a G chord.  Adding
the seventh to the chord pulls it a little stronger to it's resolution chord.

--
	        	/\/\usicman  aka: Michael Rebholz
	                   musicman@camelot.bradley.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: ** New at ftp.nevada.
From: Michael.Bremford@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mike Bremford)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:12:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.



In article <1992Sep15.122507@shovel.Prime.COM>, tim@shovel.Prime.COM (Tim Cantin) writes:
|> In article <4913.694.uupcb@factory.com>, patrick.eckman@factory.com (Patrick Eckman) writes:
|> > TC. > Are these files available elsewhere?  On a bbs perhaps?
|> > TC.
|> > TC. Not that I know of. Got some filespace handy? *grin*
|> >
|> > Well, could you put them on a diskette? Zipped up perhaps? A 1.44mb zip
|> > file would hold an awful lot of songs. Or could you upload them to a
|> > bbs?  I have access to a few that could handle a mb or so upload easily.
|> 
|> I can't, no... internet access only. Maybe someone else could, though.
|> -T
|> 
|> -- 
|> #include "stddisclaimer.h"
|> /* Tim Cantin          {uunet, csnet-relay}!primerd!tim || tim@s35.prime.com
|>    Prime Computer Inc. 10-21, 500 Old Conn. Path, Framingham, MA 01701 (USA) */
|> flames > /dev/null 2>&1

Hmmm... posted this one before.

Send mail to..

ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com

with the message body  'help' (Remember to not include your sig)

You can FTP now via email, for those of you without ftp access. Read the message
you get in reply to this one.


Happy FTPing... Mike
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Ovation Guitars
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:18:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

24104-gronczewski writes...
>Greetings,
>I have been reading this new net for a while now and have noticed
>that most of the opinions concerning Ovation guitars are not of a
>positive nature.

[deletia]

>Adam G.

+-------------------------------------SubG------------------------------------+
I can't say a bad thing about Ovations, apart from the fact that they tend to
be a tad overpriced.










-SubG
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 13:42:11 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Which Fender Strat is best ?
 <1866c0INN8ci@network.ucsd.edu> <TILL.92Sep4174205@acid-rain.lucid.com>

In article <TILL.92Sep4174205@acid-rain.lucid.com>, till@acid-rain.lucid.com
(Don Tillman) says:
>   [on the difference between US and foreign-made Strats]
>        The main difference is the type of wood that the body of the
>instrument is made from, and therefore for the resonances, sustain, and
>weight.  The necks and hardware are also different.  Heck, except for the
>shape, they're actually very little alike!
>
>  -- Don


I would like to add that there are very noticible differences between
guitars of the same model. I bought an American Standard Strat about 5
years ago. When comparing one guitar to the next, I noticed real
differences in the weight of the guitar and the feel of the necks. The
one I bought was noticibly heavier than the others that were on the
rack.

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:09:24 -0400 
From: Nicolas Alejandro Arauz <na0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: EFX: ART or DigiTech or ???

I'm looking to buy a new multi-fx box.  At this point, it seems as if
I've narrowed it down to the ART SGX T2, or the ART DR-X 2100, and the
DigiTech RP-1.  I've seen two accounts so far of the DigiTech's LCD
going out real fast, but that could be just coincedence (or design flaw
-- could there be others?).  Anyway, I'd like to hear from people who
have one or the other and tell me what they think of them.  I'd
especially like to hear the opinions of others who have tried both. 
Also, if you believe another companies effects are better, please let me
know that too.  Also, if someone could tell me perhaps the real
difference between the ART SGX-T2 and the DR-X 2100, I'd appreciate that
too -- the two seem very similar.  Thanks!  And one last thing, through
people's experiences, which mail-order house have you guys generally
found to be the most reliable with the best price.  ie.  Musician's
Friend has nice catalogs and all, but they're are not really good as far
as prices go.  Thanks a lot in advance for any help that you guys can
give me!
From: zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: CORAL Electric Sitar
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:03:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University

David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:

>Can you think of any others?


   How about "Don't Come Around Here No More" by Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers.

Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: chenl@cbnewse.cb.att.com (julian.l.chen)
Subject: Re: Recomendations for Classical Guitars (High End)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:26:30 GMT

(Mark Basinski) wrote :
>  The most expensive of the really concert-quality classical guitars being 
>built in the US these days are definitely Gilbert and Humphrey. Be
>prepared to wait a long time. While both of those makers build fine guitars,
>I'm not really wild about either of them - I don't like the sound of
>the Humphrey, and while the Gilbert is *really* loud and can get a very
>wide range of sound, I find them a bit too dry, plus I got tired of waiting
>for one - I got on John's list in 1986, and kept getting put off (if you're
>Ben Verdery or David Russell, you can get a guitar in a month, if not maybe
>never)...now John's son Bill does most of the building, and while I haven't
>seen any of these guitars I haven't heard too much one way or the other if 
>they are as good?

I totally agree with you. Both Humphrey guitar and Gilbert guitar are favored
by famous guitarists. However, since Humphrey build much more guitars than
Gilbert does, Humphurey guitars are not that difficult to get, check with
the few classical guitar saloons in New York and Carlifornia, you should
able to locate one for $5000 - $7000. Gilbert guitar is a different story,
I am willing to pay $7000 for a Gilbert guitar in excellent condition and
I have not able to find a seller yet. By the way, Gilbert build about
150 guitars so far, only the serial number after 80 or so are desirable.
Since that was about when Gilbert began to use his famous bridge system.

[....]
>  My favorite builder in Spain is Francisco Santiago Marin, in Granada. He
>is the nephew of Antonio Marin Montero, and his guitars are similar in
>sound and appearance (mostly spruce) but I like them better. I've no idea what
>his prices are, but you can bet it'll be high with the recent plummenting of
>the dollar...  :(    

Santiago Marin charges about $3000 for his guitar but you need to wait about
1 - 2 years. However, I know Casa Luthier in Barcelona have a new one available
for $4000.

By the way, my favorite builder is Greg Smallman in Australia. More and more
top guitarists are using his guitars now. His guitar has a very special
tone that is not available from any other builders. I know not everyone like
this sound but I just like it so much. His guitar is also very difficult
to get since he only make 4 - 6 guitars a year. Few months ago I had a
chance to buy one, but the seller asking $14000 and firm! Just wish I had
that much money to burn...

Julian 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mike@vulcan.webo.dg.com (Mike Fugere)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 12 string....
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:07:49 GMT
Reply-To: mike@vulcan.webo.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., ASD/NSDD

Although I may get flames from this, I think that my Yamaha 12 string is
still a pretty decent enough guitar, too.  Not that I have played on alot
of 12's, but it seems pretty smooth, though perhaps not quite as nice as
a Guild - it was also considerably less $$.  It has a nice semi-bright
sound, is rugged as heck, has never gone much outta tune, and defintely
prefers lighter guage strings.  If you don't have enough $$ for one of
the nicer Guilds, I would recommend this guitar... Of course, if you do
want pickups already built-in, that may be another story...


Mike Fugere
"no fancy sigs here!"
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Guild Ashbury - need info
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:17:27 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep9.175215.12412@leland.Stanford.EDU>, whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes...
>In article <JAMES.92Sep9113659@sunny.news.mitre.org> james@news.mitre.org (James Logan) writes:
>>I am interested in finding out more about a funny looking bass that I
>>looked at yesterday.  I think its called a Guild Ashbane
>>What I am interested in finding out is how does the pickup work? (there
>>is no visible pickup).  What does the switch do?  How much is it
>>worth?  or any other info anyone may have about it.
> 
>Just guessing, but with the rubber strings any kind of magnetic effect is
>out so it probably has a piezo pickup in the bridge. Piezo pickups are
>made with funky little crystals that produce an electric current when
>they're rubbed against, so if you put one in the bridge saddles the
>string can vibrate against it and send a signal.
> 

Yes, the pickup is a piezo circuit built into the bridge. The switch turns on a
preamp built in.  When turned on you get volume, bass and treble with the three
knobs.  With the preamp off, the tone knobs do nothing.  It sounds more like an
upright bass than a bass guitar.

>Value? Probably pretty low unless it has collector's value. It's not like
>anyone is really gonna use this as their main-line axe. Or is there someone
>out there in netland who does...?  :)
>-- 

They sold brand new at around $400, and the strings are tough to get (Guild was
the only source, no idea if they still have any for sale) so you
figure...anywhere from $100 (about what I'd pay) to whatever some collector
might pay.


					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Guild Ashbury - need info
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:52:15 GMT

In article <JAMES.92Sep9113659@sunny.news.mitre.org> james@news.mitre.org (James Logan) writes:
>I am interested in finding out more about a funny looking bass that I
>looked at yesterday.  I think its called a Guild Ashbane, it is a neck
>with a body the size of my open hand.  The fretboard shows the
>markings of the frets but has no relief (its flat).  It uses rubber
>(synthetic) strings.  It has three nobs and a switch with a single led
>by the switch.  

That'd be a Guild Ashbury. I think the scale on it is 19 inches... No
upper register soloing unless you cut your chops on a violin!
>
>What I am interested in finding out is how does the pickup work? (there
>is no visible pickup).  What does the switch do?  How much is it
>worth?  or any other info anyone may have about it.

Just guessing, but with the rubber strings any kind of magnetic effect is
out so it probably has a piezo pickup in the bridge. Piezo pickups are
made with funky little crystals that produce an electric current when
they're rubbed against, so if you put one in the bridge saddles the
string can vibrate against it and send a signal.

Value? Probably pretty low unless it has collector's value. It's not like
anyone is really gonna use this as their main-line axe. Or is there someone
out there in netland who does...?  :)
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Walt Kelly
Xref: sparky alt.guitar.bass:1309 rec.music.makers:9505
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Upright prices
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:21:05 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <92254.162756C31801IE@wuvmd.wustl.edu> C31801IE@WUVMD (Derek Morgan) writes:
>From: C31801IE@WUVMD (Derek Morgan)
>Subject: Re: Upright prices
>Date: 10 Sep 92 22:28:05 GMT

>>
>>In article <1992Sep10.021143.13764@panix.com>, rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
>>says:
>>
>>So I'm thinking of taking the plunge and buying an upright bass.
>>I'm trying to get an idea of how much I can expect to spend. I want
>>to get a very playable instrument, but it doesn't have to be top
>>of the line. (IT CAN'T BE! $$)
>>
>  I have had offers from a friend to sell me a used plywood, with bow and
>set-up for $700.  I also have talked to a dealer who gets German factory
>seconds (real wood but, how good are they really? Anybody know?), and he's
>willing to sell me one for $900. Again, I'm not experienced with uprights,
>I'm just lookin' too.

I'd say $900's not bad, if we're not talking assembly-line stuff.

>Derek Morgan
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: v035550@stortek.com (Steve Monroe)
Subject: Re: information on Ibanez SR1000
Originator: v035550@stcvax
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.  Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:13:54 GMT

jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:

[introduction deleted]

> Here's the details:
>
>it's a used Ibanez SR1000.  Two years old.  In
>excellent condition.  I was talking with a guy
>at a music store and he said that they usually
>retail new for around $700.  I picked this one 
>up for $275.  Here's the catch:  the one I bought
>has Dimarzio pickups; my understanding is that 
>when bought new, this bass comes w/ EMG's
>{whatever that means; could comebody explain?}.
>How much do these different pickups decrease the
>value of the bass?  What are the pros and cons of
>these two different pickups?
>
It depends on what type of EMG pickups they are...
if they are the "select" series of EMGs this could
possibly devalue your instrument by as much as 200%.
Not really, but they are quite poor pickups.  EMG
has two lines of pickups: their standard offering, 
and their "select" series.  The "select" series is
their budget offering.  They sound like it too.
Compare list for select Jazz bass pair at $90, to 
Standard EMG Jazz bass pair at $170.

The DiMarzio pickups are very reliable: DiMarzio has
been making the J-Bass version since the late 1970's
and they have the manufacturing process for this pickup
down to a science.  The other characteristic of this
pickup is that it has adjustable pole pieces, which 
few other manufacturers offer.  The problem is that
they have an over-abundance of midrange output, so 
they require significant eq to compensate for the 
midrange signature of the pickup.  

Some players styles lend themselves well to a lot
of midrange (Fretless players in particular), so
the DiMarzio's over-abundance of midrange isn't always a 
negative characteristic.  The problem with the EMG
"select" is that it has poor response, and is a
very noisy device when compared with most other EMG
products as well as products from most other pickup
manufacturers. 


sjm

-- 
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From: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: a rose
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

a rose is a rose is a rose......
From: mortense@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Alvin Nor Mortensen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Effect of string gauge
Date: 15 Sep 1992 18:51:56 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Summary: Effect of string gauge on instrument
Keywords: Strings


Hello:

I've been thinking about experimenting with different string guages on
my electric bass. However at ~$20.00 a pop I don't want to have any
pointless experiments so I figured I'd get some opinions first.

What I'm interested in is very light guage strings. How does this affect
the playability and sound of the instrument? The particular strings I'm
looking at are D'Addario Reds (extra light - 1.2mm on the E I think.)
Any comments would be appreciated.

I read alt.guitar.bass or can be reached at mortense@matt.ksu.edu.

Thanks in advance

nam
From: plopper@husc8.harvard.edu (George Plopper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Bass amps, speaker advice
Keywords: bass amp speaker
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:25:05 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep4.223739.8721@leland.Stanford.EDU> sands@leland.Stanford.EDU (nicholas sands) writes:
>I have another question - this time about bass amps, cabinets, combos.
>What kind of setup would one need for playing small clubs etc.  I'm
>talking about yer basic rock/blues kind of material.   What kind of
>power do you need to be heard(felt?), what kind of speaker configurations
>do people use?  Are combos OK?  

Christ, this is ALMOST too general to address, but here's my two cents'
worth:

In a good club, 90% of "your" sound will be blasted out of the PA mains,
so it doesn't matter what you use, so long as you can hear it well enough
on stage. There is a local Boston band called The Fools that literally have
NO amps: they just cart around a PA and EVERYONE (drummer plays a Roland
Octapad) goes direct into the PA. Sounds fine, I guess. So, you don't even
need an amp or a speaker to play a club- I have played with just the house mix
(i.e., master volume all the way down on the amp) during sound checks and it
sounds no different than with the amp up.

In the event that the PA can't handle the bass, you need a big 'ol rig like
you see in the magazines (esp. if you're playing rock), and they all work
well enough. I'd guess you'll need at least 200 Watts and 1 x 15" speaker
in whatever configuration to make any real impression. I use 400 watts into
4 x 10" speakers and it sounds great. The 6' tall stacks seem a bit more for 
show than for function- I used to cart around two amps and two big cabs and
turn the whole thing up to 3 and sound great, but whew! what a pain coming
home at 3 am... took me half an hour just to unload my car. It'll certainly
do the trick, though, and everyone can come up and ask you about your rig
and you can have some fun bragging about all the do-dads and buttons and
knobs and whatever. :)


-- 
George Plopper 
Email: plopper@husc8.harvard.edu
"I wish somebody'd tell me what diddy-wah-diddy means."
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: buying a bass
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:55:32 GMT

In article <68510001@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> pcarter@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Preston Carter) writes:
>Did you consider any of the G&L models?

On this note, I'll say how much I like my G&L SB-1. Some of this like is
due to the fact that the previous owner refitted it with EMG pickups...
but it's a nice bass, not too heavy, easy to play and I like the sound.
Cost me $225 on consigment, bag included. They don't make them anymore but
I'm sure they do make a cheap-o bass you can buy.
This month's BP reviews the G&L L-2000. They really like it, but at $1200
list it may be out of your price range...
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu

"We have met the enemy and he is us" - Walt Kelly
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Forward: Traditional Music/Six String Studies
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 19:44:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Forward from _The Bottom Line_ issue #231:

Kwote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 05:08 GMT
From: Stuart Mawby <0005004069@mcimail.com>
Subject: Traditional Music/Six String Studies
 
I was wondering what the feeling was among the group about an attempt
to transmit traditional five-line staff music, as opposed to TAB.
(no offense to anyone out there..)
 
I have a piece of music and a system for writing music for e-mail, but
I am not quite sure that anyone is interested.  If I receive enough
of a response, I will post it, but otherwise, I will stay quiet.
 
One enticing aspect of the piece that I wrote is that it is, as the
subject implies, a study for six-strings.
 
Like I said, if you are interested, drop me a line at the address above
or post something to that effect.
 
[  If you could send me info on the system either at the above addresses or
   to habbinga@ucsu.colorado.edu (preferred), I'd really appreciate it!
                                                                 bass-mgr ]
 
   - Stuart
 
P.S.  Has anyone seen any info on flatwound, groundwound, ribbonwound,
or other less fingerboard-fatal strings in sets for six-string basses?
(please, I am desperate.....)    8-{
 
<<<<<<<<< Unkwote.

Is anyone here interested in such a system? I am, by the way, because I
wanna learn to sightread. Hopefully, the system of which Stuart speaks
will have C source so all of us can compile it and use it... I will ask.

-Jim (jimlynch@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: dweber@crow.qualcomm.com (Dan Weber)
Subject: Jazzed
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:43:35 GMT

 

   After a 7 yr hiatus from seriously playing bass, and four children
 later, I remembered what I've been missing.
   Just got my Gibson EB-0 out of the shop with a Dimarzio Jazz Bass
 pickup installed, and then drove up to Escondido with a guitar playing 
 friend of mine and picked up a Carvin PB300C bass amp combo. Had our
 first jam seesion in what is looking to be a very promising jazz
 project, and man did that amp smoke!!! It had everything from tight
 pop to growling punch! It sure feels good to be back in the saddle.

  Can you say 'Happy Camper'?  I knew you could!

  Dano