From: sjsup@bucknell.edu (stephen sup `94)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: women's ordination conf.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:53:57 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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In article <1992Nov14.4338.37134@dosgate>, "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com> writes:
|> Here is a press release from the Women's Ordination Conference.
|> 
|>  Women's Ordination Conference Congratulates Church of England
|>  To: National Desk, Religion Writer
|>  Contact: Ruth McDonough Fitzpatrick of the Women's Ordination
|>           Conference, 703-352-1006
|> 
|>    FAIRFAX, Va., Nov. 12  -- The Women's Ordination Conference,
|> an international movement of women and men working for
|> the ordination of women in the Roman Catholic Church to a renewed
|> priestly ministry, joyfully congratulates members of the Church of
|> England for their courageous decision to ordain women.
|>    WOC National Coordinator Ruth McDonough Fitzpatrick said: "I was
|> filled with tears of joy, but I am embarrassed and deeply saddened
|> that the Vatican tried to stop this historic decision.  That the Pope
|> declared the vote to be 'a grave obstacle' to ecumenical relations is
|> extremely disturbing.  I think it reveals that the Vatican is moving
|> further out of touch with the teaching magisterium of the church.
|> The teaching magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church is constituted
|> not only of the hierarchy (pope, cardinals, bishops, clergy) but
|> also the sensus fidelium, the sense of the faithful, the people in
|> the pews.  Recent polls show that the vast majority of U.S. Catholics
|> favor the ordination of women priests as well as women bishops.
|>    The churches must remain open to discernment of where the spirit
|> of God is calling women to minister.  The Roman Catholic Church needs
|> the full participation of women in all areas of ministry.  To block
|> this ministry of mutuality may even be fighting God, as Gamaliel said
|> during early Church disagreements in the Acts of the Apostles:
|>    "So in the present case, I tell you, keep away from them and let
|> them alone; because if this plan or this undertaking is of human
|> origin, it will fail: but if it is of God, you will not be able to
|> overthrow them -- in that case you may even be found fighting against
|> God!" (Acts: 5:37-39).
|>  -30-
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I would be interested in some verses supporting the ordination of women.  i am 
a Christian who is concerned that ordination of women may be contary to scripture,
ie, a woman should not speak in church-type verses, and a woman should not
teach a man [scriptural areas]-type verses.  whether or not i agree with them,
they are there, and i must accept the Lord's wisdom as whole.  now, women as
deacons were primary a servant position of the church and not one of authority,
but where is a precedent for women ordination?  (also, in matthew, Jesus says
to call no one *leader* or *father* for we are all brothers and have but one
Leader and but one Father).

that acts verse could be used to support the apostasy as well, as this is part
of God's plan and WILL happen as well.  but that verse specifically refers to
the growth of the Christian faith, not for anything else.  the role of the
woman was neither addressed nor hinted at in the passage.

like i said, i really would like more information, and Bible-based.  if the Lord
is calling women to such places of authority, provisions probably were made
somewhere.  keep it to N.T. unless prophesies of this sort could be found.  to
tell you the truth, i think nothing *wrong* personally, unless its against the
will of God, which is above all else, Holy.  i am nonetheless confused, as many
born-again Christians have accepted this, while many have refuted this topic;
hence, i cannot depend on any particular brother or sister in this matter.

i would prefer a personal statement, if possible, as i read news few times as
i am a student (a science major and an engineering science minor).

thanks all, and much love to you, and may providence shine in your favor,
for the Lord loves us all that none may perish, but come to learn what love
is through His sacrifice.  grace to you all.

----stephen.
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