From: black@che.serum.kodak.com (Robert Black (x37236))
Subject: Re: Hunters Needed
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:39:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.145056.9359@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.223431.4626@convex.com> jjohnson@convex.com (Jenifer L. Johnson) writes:

[...]

>>Included in those 700 are Ted Nugent, self-proclaimed hunting advocate, George
>>W. Bush, and Nolan Ryan.  The Morning News article said that Nugent will be
>>performing a 30-minute mini-concert to attract attention to his anti-drug,
>>pro-hunting message directed at kids, and quoted Nugent as saying, "The kids
>>listen to me because I play rock n' roll, and I speak the truth with great
>>passion.  It works like magic."

Does anyone know why Nugent backed out?  With his more extensive experience
performing before crowds, he would be a worthy opponent for Pacelle.  How
about President Bush himself stepping forth?  He could hone his debating
skills for a possible Clinton debate!

[...very sensible and logical statements from Jennifer edited out to save
    bandwidth...]

>>I'll be in Austin for the Conference and for the debate, so I can post a
>>followup as to whether any of those ~700 noble, level-headed hunters could
>>muster the conviction and the courage to stand up to a bunch of gullible,
>>Bambi-worshipping vegetarians.  My guess is that the hunters will prove
>>themselves to be the cowards we AR folks suspect they are.

Please post a followup afterwards.  And if you can find any willing
pro-hunting observers, ask them to do so also.  That might pacify
those who feel that your report was not objective enough. 

Jeff Achenbach:
>What point would there be in getting up to debate in front of a bunch of 
>people whose minds are already made up? Hunters are more interested in 
>the opininions of non-hunters than anti-hunters. If I may use an analogy,
>did Martin Luther King address KKK rallies? Hunters have been abused, both
>verbally and physically by antihunters. I have been to rallies of other 
>types, such as anti-nuclear power rallies, where there was supposed to be
>a debate. Typically, the minority (sounds like that will be the hunters in
>this case) were shouted down by rude jerks who would not even listen to an
>opposing point of view. Nothing useful was accomplished, but these closed
>minds went around slapping each other on the back over their supposed 
>victories. Ever watch Morton Downey's late night talk show? I envision a
>similar environment. You can't debate a zealot.

What IS the big deal here?  Last year, Wayne Pacelle, as a minority of
one, walked into the Niagara Falls convention center to debate Walter
Howard (author of Animal Rights versus Nature) at the annual convention
of Outdoor Sportswriters.

Buffalo News Outdoors columnist, a hostile listener to Pacelle's viewpoint,
had this to say in his column:

	... you have to credit this guy Pacelle. ... Not too many people
	would say what he said to hundreds of burley outdoorsmen, many
	of whom not only like the blood sport better than football or
	boxing, but make their living writing about it.

Come on!  If Pacelle can do it, surely there will be at least ONE hunter
somewhere in the city of Austin this weekend who could do likewise?  

There are already so many misunderstandings.  We need more dialog
between the two groups. 

>
>Jeff Achenbach
>achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com                    

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