From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: one lab
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:42:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <1992Nov16.025452.26730@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger) writes:

>I am terribly sorry for not spelling each and every possible detail out
>for your obviously unadvanced intuition. 

	After hearing about so much bullshit from people, from fraudulent 
claims, to quackary; from reading many good articles on such "scientific 
research" projects into OOB, telepathy, levitation, etc in such periodicals 
as Skeptical Inquirer and others; I'm sorry that I am hesistant to believe 
what you say is in actually, true. I'm not impying that you are willfully 
lying or attempting deciet, but rather, gravely mistaken.

>What I should have said was:
>"My original claims did not originate from the person who told me about MIU.
>I was just talking to him about OOB's and he mentioned that he knew of a
>place, so I asked him not less than ten times if he was sure, to which he
>finally became so irritated with me that he said, 'What is it with you
>Americans? You are always so paranoid that you're being lied to.' So I
>said, 'Ok, I will trust you on this one then.' I thought maybe you people
>would be interested in knowing about it. Excuse me if I was wrong, and
>excuse me for bringing up such an 'inferior' university. The point is,
>this was an added in thing, it had nothing to do with my original claims,
>i.e. the source of my original information was not this person. OK????????"

Then, Michelle, what or who is your source??????? 
Why won't you tell us? Why the big secret? Is is some top secret skunk?

>>	You accuse me of putting words in your mouth, when there is no 
>>evidence that I ever did. Please substantiate this slander. 
>>	I was just pointing out some consequences if this "report" -that you 
>>talked about, but did not hear- was not some hoax.
>
>You put words in my mouth in assuming that my info came from the
>person and that this was the laboratory I was refering to in my original
>posts. Oh, and by the way, you can just go ahead and stick your attitude
>right up your ass Sir. I am tired of it.

Why this big secret? Are you not allowed to publically say who your "source" 
is?

When you only give indications that your source was this nameless person, 
and this laboratory; what do you expect one to infer?

You still havn't explained your non sequitar response.

>Fine then, I won't even bother wasting my time and energy worrying about
>getting your proof then. Let's just drop the whole thing then because I
>have been wasting lots of precious time just to hopefully please you
>people and all you give me is a bunch of nasty remarks that would
>insinuate that not only am I a CRAZY-in-the-head Catholic, but I'm also
>gullible, ill-informed, and certainly not capable of being as intellectual
>as yourselves. You are just TOO high and mighty for me. I should just
>crawl back into my hole hey? Stupid Michelle, how dare she insult our
>intelligence like that!

I'm not interested in a proof from you, I only ask what are your sources and 
references. I do not expect you to be a part of this "research". However, if 
you make such claims, I would hope they are not empty ones. I havn't said 
one nasty remark. I have been so much more kind to you, than your peers 
would be, if you were to publish such proclamations in a scientific 
periodical. Nay, it would not even be considered for publication, as you 
give neither a complete story, nor cite any refereces.

This is just another example of the fundie's. They make wild statements 
about the state of affairs, and then, do not offer any shread of evidence, 
nor of references. When asked for some, they shriek about being bashed, and 
assaulted, and they sulk away. 

*sigh*

Where do they come from?