HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tttron@escher.lerc.nasa.gov (William Krauss)
Subject: Re: Abekas Control Panel program
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:21:50 GMT

In article <35220@adm.brl.mil> jparker@aurora.msfc.nasa.gov (John V. Parker (NASA/MSFC/ES44) writes:
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>I've noticed that the Abekas Control Panel software provided in
>4Dgifts/iristools bombs under 4.0.X.  It worked great under 3.x, and it
>compiles without any (serious) problems under 4.0.X.  However, when you try
>to run it, you get an "Illegal instruction" message and then it dumps core.
>I assume this is related to the move to X-Windows in 4.0, but before I dig
>into it, has anyone out there already made the necessary hacks?  If the
>collective answer is "No" and I finally get around to fixing it, would anyone
>be interested in the updated version? (Dave? Vernon? Calvin? Sam? Anybody?)
>Thanks in advance for any (helpful) info!
>+------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>| John V. Parker                     | Phone:  (205) 544-1526              |
>| NASA-Marshall Space Flight Center  |                                     |
>| Earth Science and Applications Div.| e-mail: jparker@pcjvp.msfc.nasa.gov |
>| ES44/Information Systems Branch    |         jparker@nasamail.nasa.gov   |
>| MSFC, AL 35812                     |         storm::parker (NSI/SPAN)    |
>+------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

John (et al)

Here is a re-post of one I made I made last September...

.........................................................................
Attention SGI Abekas A60 video disk users.

Those who have used the remote A60 controller software found in 
/usr/people/4Dgifts/iristools/abekas/_panel might be interested to 
find I have made extensive modifications to it.  Much time was spent
verifying that the remote graphics control panel (ACP) emulates 
the actual Abekas one as closely as possible:

	- bugs fixed
	- Command-line A60 hostname specification
	- 4-digit frame position display
	- Variable play speed now saved (for subsequent variable play selects)  
	- Recording implemented
	- Current play status (operation and direction, if known) 
	- Play (normal or variable) speed/Recording length
	- More user GUI feedback (color, text...)
	- Userid stamp (displayed on A60 monitor to show current remote userid) 
	...

If you are interested in obtaining the "diffs" contact me via e-mail. 
.........................................................................

I also forwarded the update to the folks at Abekas who said it would
eventually be integrated into future IRIX releases.


	Kyle


-- 
>>>> K.D. Krauss  	                     Sverdrup Technology, Inc.  <<<<
>>>> NASA Lewis Research Center   MS 142-5    Cleveland, OH 44135  USA  <<<< 
>>>> kyle@lerc.nasa.gov                              (216) 433-8991	<<<<
From: meyering@cs.utexas.edu (Jim Meyering)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: uucp w/SupraFax modem
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:11:54 -0600
Organization: U of TX at Austin CS Dept
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu
Cc: niblett@lodi.csd.sgi.com


Re: call Id #153007

I'm not very familiar with UUCP (I used to be proud of that :-),
so I may be making some obvoius error, but here goes...

I'm using a SupraFax v42.bis modem on port2 (connected by a cable
bought from SGI).

% uname -a
IRIX [deleted] 4.0.5 06151813 IP12

I can dial out using cu -- like this:

    % cu -l /dev/tty[fmd]2 -s 38400 <phone-number>

The problem comes when I try to verify that uucp works by running Uutry.
The first time I ran it this morning, it got to the point at which it
starts the chat dialog.  But since there was a problem with the Dialers
entry, that didn't work and I interrupted it.

All subsequent times I've tried it today I get this output:

> # ./Uutry -x9 uunoname
> ./uucico -r1 -suunoname  -x9 >/tmp/uunoname 2>&1&
> tmp=/tmp/uunoname
> mchFind called (uunoname)
> list (rmail) num = 1
> list (/usr/spool/uucppublic) num = 1
> list (/usr/spool/uucppublic) num = 1
> list (rmail) list (uucp) list (rnews) list (uucico) num = 4
> _Request (TRUE), _Switch (TRUE), _CallBack (FALSE), _MyName ([deleted]), _Commands rmail
> _Commands uucp
> _Commands rnews
> _Commands uucico
> chdir(/usr/spool/uucp/uunoname)
> conn([deleted])
> Device Type ACU wanted
> mlock ttyf2 succeeded
> timed out
> generic open timeout
> set interface UNIX
> getto ret -1
> Call Failed: CAN'T ACCESS DEVICE
> exit code 101
> Conversation Complete: Status FAILED

> TM_cnt: 0

After the first failed try I reinitialized the modem to make sure
it's state was the same as for the initial successful connection.
But it still failed.

It looked like the state of something had changed since the first Uutry
run -- and maybe that something is what's causing the `time out'.
So I deleted all uucp lock files and ran `fuser /dev/tty[fdm]' to see
if some other process had one of those devices open -- but none did.
Uutry still fails.

----------------------
More background; some uucp configuration files

/usr/lib/uucp/Systems:
uunoname Any ACU 9600 9999999 "" ... [chat script deleted]

/usr/lib/uucp/Devices:
ACU ttyf2 - Any suprafax

/usr/lib/uucp/Dialers:
suprafax        =,-,    "" \dAT&F2\r\c OK ATDT\T\r\c CONNECT-\c-Connect
----------------------

If anyone can give me a lead I'd appreciate it.
-- 
Jim Meyering             | Member of the League for Programming Freedom
meyering@cs.utexas.edu   | Contact me or lpf@uunet.uu.net for more info.
From: zyda@aquarius.cs.nps.navy.mil (Michael Zyda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Reality Engine /usr/people/4Dgifts stuff?
Keywords: chocolate, consumer electronics.
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:23:24 GMT
Organization: Don't I wish!

On the Reality Engine under /usr/people/4Dgifts, there are
apparently no demos devoted exclusively to showing off new
features of the Reality Engine. Are there supposed to be,
or will there be at a future date?

A related question: is there any Reality Engine specific
documentation, i.e. any documentation detailing how best
to program the Reality Engine and what its new software
features are? The few docs that came with the Reality
Engine are pretty much the same as came with the Indigo
Elan.

     Michael Zyda
     zyda@trouble.cs.nps.navy.mil
From: desnogue@taloa.unice.fr (DESNOGUES)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: assembly stuff
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:37:49 +0100
Organization: University of Nice - Sophia Antipolis, France
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: taloa.unice.fr
Keywords: assembly, R3000


However I work on a DEC Ultrix system, I post here because my
question deal with which comes from MIPS.

First, when I use the flag -V I get 'Mips Computer Systems 2.10'.
Now my questions:
  1)is there a way to use directly the div instructions of
    the R3000 without making use of the 'macro' provided by as?
    (you can do it with the mult instructions, but seemingly not
    with div)
  2)when I multiply 2 16 bit numbers can I get the result from the
    lo register before complete achievement of the mult (ie 12 cycles)
    or will the R3000 lock anyway? what about the R4000?

Laurent Desnogues
From: SUTPHINWB@npt.nusc.navy.mil (SUTPHIN WILLIAM B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Net News Setup
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:29:21 GMT

I'd like to set up a local news forum as well as be able to read
news like comp.sys.sgi.  I've ftp'ed cnews, nntp and nr from ftp.uu.net
but cnews doesn't want to compile very smoothly.

I'd like to know, before I attempt full scale ports, am I on the
right track here?  Has anyone done this before? etc, etc. I really
have no special love for source code; how about some SGI binaries?

Thanks

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.graphics
From: kleinren@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kleinrensing)
Subject: Spaceball and 4.0.5
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:57:14 GMT

Hello there,
we currently have a 4D-220 VGX with a spaceball attached. After changing to
4.0.5, we noticed some differences regarding the spaceball:

  - we can't emulate the mouse using the spaceball; this was possible in 3.x   

  - the spaceball data format and programming interface seems to have
    changed, since a locally written application that used to work fine
    with the spaceball notww has problems such as long latency between moving
    the spaceball and seeing the result on screen and loosing events.

  - Occasionally we get SYSLOG errors of the form
    Jan 13 11:25:41 gt unix: WARNING: data event with unknown format.
    Jan 13 11:25:41 gt unix: WARNING: Bad length for data event (14 words)

Does anybody use a spaceball with 4.0.5 or knows what exactly has changed
or where to get information ?
Thanks a lot,

-- 

   Rainer Kleinrensing,    rainer@indigo.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de
   Institute for Applied Mathematics
   Freiburg University
From: LEVINE%FIDLER.decnet@sunman.chinalake.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Lost my list of new Info-Iris news groups
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:02:59 GMT


	The title says it. While cleaning up my old mail, the list of
info-iris news groups got the heave. Could some one send me a copy
of the new news groups ??

Michael N. LeVine  Naval Air Weapons Station, China Lake, Ca 93555, USA
Internet: levine%fidler.decnet@chinalake.navy.mil
(619) 939-2614  avn  437-2614 

 "Waiter, there's a bug in my soup!"        
 "No, Sir, it's not a bug, it's a feature!"
From: jparker@aurora (John V. Parker (NASA/MSFC/ES44))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: f77 won't work on my Crimson
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:57:44 GMT

It took us a while (3+ months!) to get around to trying out the FORTRAN
compiler on our Crimson/VGX [too many other neat things to play with ;-) ],
but upon doing so we discovered that f77 (actually ugen) core dumps on even
the most trivial code:
	program test
	write(*,*) '!11-PDP eht edisni deppart m''I !pleH'
	stop
	end

The error message is usually:
	Fatal error in: /usr/lib/ugen  Signal 10 - core dumped

although on occasion I've gotten a SIG 11 while playing with compiler options.
I called the TAC (call #151880) but was regretfully informed that the 
warranty on our Crimson had expired (paperwork for a maintenance agreement
is lost somewhere in the NASA bureaucracy).  I'm sure something is just
incorrectly installed.  We are running Irix 4.0.5_, with 3.4.1 ftn.* and
the 3.4.4 maint_ftn.* images. I have re-installed the maint updates, but
not the entire Fortran package.
Any clues or quick fixes?  Or should I just re-install everything?  Or is it
something else seemingly unrelated?
TIA!
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| John V. Parker                     | Phone:  (205) 544-1526              |
| NASA-Marshall Space Flight Center  |                                     |
| Earth Science and Applications Div.| e-mail: jparker@pcjvp.msfc.nasa.gov |
| ES44/Information Systems Branch    |         jparker@nasamail.nasa.gov   |
| MSFC, AL 35812                     |         storm::parker (NSI/SPAN)    |
+------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
From: dhinds@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Hinds)
Subject: Any details on today's SGI announcement?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:19:12 GMT

I hear that SGI announced a series of "Challenge" systems today based
on the TFP ("True Floating Point") processor, quoted as 300 Mflops a
piece, with up to 18 per box.  Does anyone have any more info, like
price ranges?

When will the Indigo-TFP be available? :)

        - David Hinds
          dhinds@allegro.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: yaron@aristo.tau.ac.il (Yaron Zabary)
Subject: Re: HELP: Printer sync errors
Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:49:14 GMT

Jonathan Burelbach (burel@highwire.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
> I just upgraded my 4D25TG to IRIX 4.0.5a and now I'm getting printer sync
> errors.  The printer is an Apple LaserWriter IIg connected via serial to
> the PI and etherTalk to a Mac Quadra 950. It is also used as a network printer
> for a 4D340 running IRIX 4.0.1.  After a file is printed the data receive light
> Below is a portion of my /usr/spool/lp/log file:

> pscomm: printer sync problem [2] ()
> WARNING: Check spooled PostScript for control characters.
> circus-2849     burel   circus  Jan 25 09:45
> %WARNING: Check spooled PostScript for control characters.
> pscomm: printer sync problem [1] ()
> WARNING: Check spooled PostScript for control characters.


  I think I have read an article the other day which claimed that that is a
bug in the LWII firmware and that you should ask for a firmware upgrade from
whoever sold you the printer. The problem that was described over there was
that the printer was sending extra ctrl-Ds.

 Hope this helps.

--

-- Yaron.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: syscrc@pickle.gsu.edu (Randy Carpenter)
Subject: netlsd date problem
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:34:00 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have e-mail/USENET access, so I
haven't witnessed the problem...but here goes:

---cut---
The error I'm getting happens at startup while trying to start the netlsd
daemon.  The exact text of the error message is as follows:

  netlsd: Unable to register with locating broker earlier timestamp (network
          computing system/DRM)

The error appears after we notice our system clock was set 9 months into the
future and we changed it to the correct date.  Several files have the future
date now.  Apparently, some of the files related to netlsd were affected.

What's going on?
---cut end----

Aside:     % man netlsd
           Just say no! :)

-- 
===========================================================================
Randy Carpenter                    rcarpent@gsu.edu          % Got a light?
Georgia State University           (404) 651-2648            No match.
Wells Computer Center                                        %
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
From: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu (Betty Freeborn)
Subject: Script wrapper for remote logins
Organization: Yale University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:38:33 GMT

Hi all,

'go' is a script wrapper for ftp/rlogin/telnet etc. which I wrote and have
been using for some time. It's been sufficiently useful and its "database"
has gotten sufficiently large that I thought others might be interested.
Here's a chunk of the manpage:

EXAMPLES
     Suppose that your database contains the following:

       # Keys:Title:Host:Client:Leading opts:Following opts:Xwsh opts:Go opts
       # Separate keys with "|". Begin keys for client entries with "_".
       # Put the word "none" in empty fields.

       # Clients

       _gopher:gopher:none:gopher:none:none:none:none
       _xgopher:xgopher:none:xgopher:none:none:none:-w -Z

       # Hosts

       archie:Archie:archie.sura.net:rlogin:none:-l archie:none:none
       chem|kekule:Kekule:kekule.chem.yale.edu:telnet:none:none:-vt100:none
       embl:EMBL:ftp.embl-heidelberg.de:ftp:none:none:none:none

     Typing 'go archie' (or just 'go a') will log you into the Archie database
     using rlogin. Note the way in which the userid is specified. If you're at
     a graphics terminal, then the Archie session will appear in a separate
     window. However, if the Archie database were out of order and logged you
     out immediately, the window would close before you could read any error
     messages.  You might then type 'go -w archie' to rlogin on the command
     line or 'go -x -hold archie' to keep the window from closing.

     Typing 'go chem' (or 'go kekule', or 'go c', or 'go kek', or ... you get
     the idea) will log you into Kekule using telnet. If you're at a graphics
     terminal, the xwsh window which will be opened will emulate a VT100
     terminal. Typing 'go -d kekule' will telnet to Kekule with telnet in
     debugging mode, and 'go kekule 6666' will telnet to port 6666. Note how
     '-d', which is not recognized by go, and '6666', which follows the
     hostname, are just passed to the client.

     Typing 'go embl' will connect you to the EMBL archive using ftp. Typing
     'go -c gopher embl' (or just 'go -c g embl') will do so using gopher, and
     'go -c xgopher embl' will do so using xgopher. go will start the gopher
     session in an xwsh window, but will just put the xgopher session, which
     will open its own window, in the background.  go only looks for clients
     in the databases if the '-c' option is used or no host is specified, so a
     host entry with xgopher as the default client would need "-w -Z" in its
     own "Go opts" field.

(Glancing back over that, maybe it wasn't such a good idea to include the
manpage.) You can get it from neutron.chem.yale.edu by anonymous FTP.

Cheers,

--
| Dave Schweisguth   Yale MB&B & Chemistry   Net: dcs@neutron.chem.yale.edu |
| Lab phone: 203-432-5208     Fax: 203-432-6144    Home phone: 203-624-3866 |
| For complying with the NJ Right To Know Act:  Contents partially unknown. |
From: andersen@marvin.ama.ttu.edu (Kim Andersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:50:22 GMT

I have a problem with one of my 4D20s.  It will occasionally crash with
a memory error (PANIC: IRIX killed due to memory error at physical address
0xXXXXXX).  It will do this about 4 times over a couple of days, and then
it's fine for a month or more.  Then it does it again.

The problem is that the error is not always in the same place -- not even
in the same bank.  And when I run IDE diagnostics, it says there's 
nothing wrong with the machine at all.

Any suggestions will be most welcome.
From: philip@server.uwindsor.ca (Philip Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: bootp
Keywords: bootp, RFC951, RFC1084
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:53:06 GMT

According to the bootp(1m) man page SGI's version of BOOTP supports RFC951.
Does anyone know when the plan to upgrade to RFC1084?  I have an application
that needs this new version of BOOTP.

Thanks,
Philip Smith
-- 
Philip Smith                   |  e-mail: PHILIP@UWINDSOR.CA
Systems Programmer             |  phone : (519)253-4232 ext.3252
Dept. of Computing Services    |  fax   : (519)973-7083
University of Windsor          |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: X11R5 experiences with IRIX 4.0.4
From: eran@ramon.bgu.ac.il (Eran Lachs)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:34:18 GMT
Organization: Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Hello,

   We recently installed MIT's X11R5 on an SGI Crimson running IRIX 4.0.4.
We wanted to run chooser from the Crimson on several NCD X-terminals.
For some strange reason, the chooser program does not get built on System V
machines, including IRIX. We settled for running chooser from a Sparc machine
and getting the Crimson to list as one of the XDM hosts.
Has anyone successfully built a running X11R5 chooser under IRIX ?

This is probably for someone at SGI (but not only ...):
before installin we moved all relevant R4 directories aside
(like /usr/bin/X11, /usr/lib/*X*, /usr/include/X11), thus losing the
ability to run CodeVision, 4Dwm, gl_osview and the like (missing shared
library).
Any ideas on how these programs might coexist with the X11R5 installation ?

Thanks in advance for any information.

Eran Lachs     (eran@ramon.bgu.ac.il)
Computation Center
Ben Gurion University of the Negev, Beer Sheva, Israel
From: Iris_-_Smith@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: GL- setting colors in overlay planes
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:04:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Hello world. I'm having trouble drawing colored Xor lines in a GL overlay
window with two planes. I'm using an X GC to draw the lines, but I can't
seem to create the colors I want. I've tried getting the colormap
from the GlxMDraw widget for the overlay window and then using that with
XAllocNamedColor but it doesn't work. Allocating colors based on the
default colormap doesn't work properly as expected. I really only need
thre colors (red, black, and white) but am at a loss with the information
available to me.
From: steev@ipecac.esd.sgi.com (Motorin' Flarey Henderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: 4D/20 UPGRADE!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:43:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <14241@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tpm@ecs (TP Monks) writes:


>We have a good ol' 4D20G at the university here, and money from a grant
>which will soon expire which may allow for an upgrade, but will not allow
>for a new machine.  Is it possible to upgrade the machine to something
>a bit more desirable in a vaguely cost effective way?

You can get a 4D/35 upgrade to speed up the CPU to a 36MHZ R3000.  You can
also upgrade the graphics with  an Elan graphics board.  This combination
is similar to an Indigo R3K Elan, but with a slightly faster CPU and VME.
This is the fastest of the Personal Iris family.  There is no R4000 upgrade. 
Oh, and the Elan graphics upgrade only works with the 4D35 upgrade (it will 
not work with your current CPU board).

As for cost effectiveness,  you'll have to contact your local SGI sales 
person for pricing...


>Tim
>--
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Tim Monks                                Vision, Speech and Signal Processing
>tpm@ecs.soton.ac.uk                                    Southampton University
>Tel: +44 (703) 592774                                   Fax: +44 (703) 592895
--
steve valin		steev@sgi.com
	   	  It's like deja vu all over again...
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Are there any Software for Viewing PostScript files on 4D35
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:05:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <C12Lww.6AI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> amg8408@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avijit  Moitra) writes:
>Are there in software for previewing PostScript files on the SGI Iris 4D35
>machines.  I found under Demos menu a PostScript submenu with differnt 
>subtopics such as Previewer,Interpreter,Fontwiew etc. but they are all
>greyed out,means they are not installed.  Did it come with the original
>4.05 release CDs.  Do I have to Install them manually.  

Yes.  You need to install dps_eoe from your base O/S CD and then the
maint_dps_eoe from the maintenance O/S CD.  When you do this, you
should get a full previewer called 'xpsview', among other things.  

Cheers,

David Story                        	        Silicon Graphics, Inc.
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com				Mountain View, California

I've changed my name, so duis@sgi.com may bounce, please use story@sgi.com.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: yaron@aristo.tau.ac.il (Yaron Zabary)
Subject: Re: X11R5 experiences with IRIX 4.0.4
Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:36:33 GMT

Eran Lachs (eran@ramon.bgu.ac.il) wrote:
: Hello,

:    We recently installed MIT's X11R5 on an SGI Crimson running IRIX 4.0.4.
: We wanted to run chooser from the Crimson on several NCD X-terminals.
: For some strange reason, the chooser program does not get built on System V
: machines, including IRIX. We settled for running chooser from a Sparc machine
: and getting the Crimson to list as one of the XDM hosts.
: Has anyone successfully built a running X11R5 chooser under IRIX ?

 Yes one of my colleagues did. We are running it to our NCDs, although we had
problems with NCD19b (The problem has to do with NFS timeouts to the SGI).
Call Rony at 03-6408309 (tagid lo david shalach otcha).

--

-- Yaron.
From: rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: Want: Postscript Viewer for 4.0.4
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:32:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: fangio.asd.sgi.com

he@monk.physio.nwu.edu writes:
>	Is there a postscript viewer out there which works
>with OS 4.0.4? 

You can ftp ghost.tar from sgi.com:~ftp/sgi/ghost.  It is an inst'able 
image of the ghostscript/ghostview packages.  The README there gives 
more info.

...robert
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