From: kingw@fraser.sfu.ca (King Rio Wong)
Subject: Re: Premarrital sex, daemon, and law
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:00:06 GMT

chiu@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (John Chiu) writes:

>not as free as they do here.  though I know quite a few well-educated Hkers
>(one even being a 9Aer in HKCEE) who admitted that his first pre-marital sex
>is happened in HK when he's in F6.  So I would say that such a trend is
 
     I fail to see the relationship between being well-educated and not having
pre-marital sex.  Are you saying that smart guys and gals should not have sex??
;-)  I assume that educated people have a greater chance in making 
well-informed and more rational decisions on many things, though.

>I don't see pre-marital sex poses any big problem.  What I feel is that pure
>love in these days are just too hard to find.  Many can hardly find one during
>his/her whole life.  And so love/sex becomes some sort of substitute.  That's
>really depressing, but it is.  What can I say?

     Why would you assume that unmarried couples who have pre-marital sex don't
have "true love" between them???  I know friends who live together (a guy and
a girl, of course) and they are not married.  Do they have true love between
them?  I don't know!!!  But I don't see any problems in their living together.
Plus, it is OPB.  What you say might be true for some people, though, but
please be careful not to over-generalize.

     So, what are we doing here (in this thread)?  Discussing on the morality
of pre-marital sex?  Judging people who aren't adhering to our '5000 year' (?)
Chinese culture and opinions on marriage and virginity?  It isn't 30's anymore.
Things have changed.  I prefer letting people think and decide what they do
with their own lives, and not having to be judged by others.  Like all other
things in life, there is a price to pay for having sex before marriage.  One 
may want to save their first time for their most-loved.  One may get an 
unwanted pegnancy and is forced to get married early, and ruin their life 
(possibly).  One may contract AIDS or many other diseases.  One may get busted
by their parents or being look down upon by friends, although maybe not in all
cases.  I mean, some are ready to pay the price and some are not.  So why 
should they be considered "immoral" when they aren't hurting anybody else,
apart from maybe themselves?  Geez, give the human race a break.  I have
no problem with people who stick to their own beliefs and teach them to their
own children, but we need to stop tagging people with names and imposing our
values on others, even if it is adopted by the majority.

     Guess what.  I am a Christian.  (though maybe now some people may think
that I am not, according to whoever's definition.)

>Someone still hanging to seek a pure love,
>John Chiu

     Me too!

Timothy Lam   (on a friend's account, still!)
BTW, my opinion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the owner of this account.

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If I keep from imposing on people, they become themselves.
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