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From: reaper@wixer.cactus.org (Keath Milligan)
Subject: Re: Let's do it NOW
Keywords: public net austin free
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: austin
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:39:39 GMT

I'm confused... (as if that were something new)

How can this thing POSSIBLY be free to all unless it is paid for out of
one or a few peoples' pockets or it is government-funded?
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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: sblair@upurbmw.dell.com ()
Subject: Re: Let's do it NOW
Keywords: public net austin free
Organization: Dell Computer UNIX Networking Services
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:57:56 GMT

I have just finally had time to read all that is being proposed,
etc. in this group.

I need to make some clarifications to multpile posts:

1) As the person responsible for DELL's internet connection, contrary
to others' postings, I have *NEVER* said we will take this on at DELL.

2) As one of the people responsible for a large # of Modem serivices
here at DELL, I have *NEVER* committed Modem &/or phone lines.

Now to rehash what I've told to no less than several callers to me:

1) I'm not sure the NSF AUP(Acceptable Use Policy) would allow
DELL, or any *other* comercial Austin Internet site the option
to host such a system. I am checking with various parties, including
our legal folks(as soon as I can get them) whether anyone can do so.

2) I've only committed to investigate interally to DELL as folks
here might be interested. No more, no less. Towards that end, I've
spoken with but a few of the folks internal to here that would quite a
bit of say so. No decision is anywhere near "in site".

3) I'm not 100% convinced that anyone supporting this FreeNet project
save jsq, and a few others(myself too) are aware of the amount of 
startup work, ongoing work, or "daily care and feeding" that an Internet
connection requires. Several other site admins have stated that by
the end of their day at work, the last(!!) thing they wish to
do is to run yet another Internet site. That directly implies that
it may take untrained, or "new to Internet site maintenance" folks to
get such a project "on the net".

=========

Now then, in all honesty, this is still(as I've stated to several folks 
verbally) as far as I'm currently concerned, a very infant project. The
amount of work, time, and maintenance, as well as bills, may well
stop this from happening. May not also.


In no way do I wish the project ill; IMHO it's quite an interesting
project to undertake, I just wish everyone knew what we go through
running sites. UUCP == running an Internet site.


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Steve Blair	DELL NETWORK SERVICES	sblair@dell.com	hostmaster@dell.com
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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Let's do it NOW
Keywords: public net austin free
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:37:53 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

ja@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Ashcraft) writes:

> The other isssue I have is the process of stages and there order.  It
> would seem to me that an Internet connection would be the primary
> focus as without it we have nothing new.  There are plenty of unix or
> free bbs's here in town but none that are free with a live internet
> connection.  This would be why people would gravitate to such a true
> public site. It is what would distinguish it from the others.

I agree 100%. The Internet connection is what we do not have, that we
need now. I think the Connect*Austin plan is great except for the fact
that the Internet connection is the last step instead of the first.

As far as the IP address shortage problem, I agree with jsq. Its not our
problem. Thats what the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) is supposed
to work on. Our problem is how to connect up the public.

> Quite possibly we could use the name as the newsgroup
> austin.public-net or Austin Public Net Inc. for the non-profit
> corporation.

Austin Public Net, sounds good, or my earlier proposal: Austin Public Internet.

> Well folks all I can say is let's do it and by next weekend
> who will have what done?

I am working on getting the net connection itself. Hopefully we will have
something definite by this week. Will make some phone calls today, after I
get a little sleep.

> BTW: Where's George? as the Gov once said, I want his
> positive energy in here too.  

I dunno. He had some good input earlier, and then he just sort of faded out.
Must be busy with work?

                                          -= Max =-

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From: george@wixer.cactus.org (George Wenzel)
Subject: Re: Let's do it NOW
Keywords: public net austin free
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: austin
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:01:28 GMT

Yo!  Right here...

There are a lot of questions to be answered yet, but I agree with Jay 100%.

I can provide the hardware and a UNIX license for start-up purposes.
However we need a funding base before we can do much more than that.  

I am but a single person with a single person's salary.  Making this "free"
to Austin is fine, but we need the infrastructure to prevent over taxing
the people working on the project.

We need a plan for paying for the things that we can't get for free.

I have run a multiuser bbs here in Austin for a good number of years.  I
charge a fee for access, in an effort to reduce my losses.  I am currently
bringing in about 50% of what it takes to cover the phone bills.  I would
be willing to move much of what I have going now and make it free for all
users.  However I need to stress that there needs to be a source of funding
to pay for the phone bills. 

If we get an internet connection, and some office space, GREAT!  However we
need to get that phone bill covered too.

I am working with some people on another project, one that will include an
internet connection.  However we are talking about a 6 month wait at the
earliest.  

Is there anyone working on getting some grants or donations?

George
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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: A Macintosh Perspective
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:39:22 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

malirath@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Robert Fisher) writes:

> There is an additional hinderance though. The software that allows these
> programs to operate over SLIP (like MacSLIP) cost something like $50 to
> individuals. I know UT has it setup were they can give MacSLIP to university
> users for about $10. Hopefully the free-net could get a similiar deal.

I believe there is free SLIP software for the MAC that we could use. It
is available from CerfNet and probably many other sources. I do not know
how good it is.

                                          -= Max =-

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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Working Group Announcement
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:46:29 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation


   As decided at the informal after meeting dinner, there will be a
meeting of the working group at my house Saturday November 21st 2-5pm.
The address is 2014 Scofield Lane. It is parallel to and just north of
Parmer Lane, between I-35, and Mopac. If there are any questions call
me at 339-3724. This meeting is open to all who want to work on
providing public Internet access for Austin.

                                          -= Max =-

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From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: other names
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:26:08 GMT
Reply-To: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu
Distribution: austin

In article <1992Nov17.050813.3234@wixer.cactus.org> sparky@wixer.cactus.org  
(Timothy Sheridan) writes:
> 
> Hey,   I wanted to give folks some more names...:)

And I thought the one I was given when I was born was just fine, thanks. :-)
 
> The Austin Cyberspace Corperation.
> 'The Spring'   -kinda like the well but more austinized..:)

I kinda like this one :-)
 
> or just The Cyber-Parks and Recreation Council 
> The Austin Cyber Park  ACP has a nice ring...
I think cyber* is a bit overused right now, and a little too "trendy", but  
htat's just my personal opinion.

> others I have herd are Public Net. anything with Inc. after it soundskinda
> cheesy IMHO..:):):)  But Im'm not the onky one who will have to hear this
> name all the time.

Well, the Inc part is "stock," as we have to have it to be incorporated as a  
non-profit group.  Nobody said the system itself had to be called that, this  
is just the organization itself.

Chris
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Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: other names
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 05:57:44 GMT

sparky@wixer.cactus.org (Timothy Sheridan) writes:
>sparky@wixer.cactus.org (Timothy Sheridan) writes:
>>
>>Hey,   I wanted to give folks some more names...:)
>>
>>others I have herd are Public Net...anything with Inc. after it sounds kinda
>>cheesy IMHO..:):):)  But Im'm not the onky one who will have to hear this
>>name all the time.
>>
>>Give Feedback!!!!
>>
>>Timothy Sheridan
>>

"austin.free.radicals"  Nah...  to much anarchy...
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From: cmao760@chpc.utexas.edu (Chunyang Peng)
Subject: Mitsubishi for sale
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: austin
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:22:33 GMT

89 Mithubishi precis LS 
5 Door, AT AC 
AM/FM cassette, 
power steering,
runs like new.  
  $3,700.   OBO 
Moving must sell. 
Phone 322-0107
From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Quick Meeting Summary
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:54:24 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

Here is a quick summary of the meeting that was held Saturday, November 14th
at the main branch of the Austin Public Library in conjunction with the
Austin EFF meeting. Speakers feel free to post longer accounts of your
speeches. I am going to post my speech notes in a seperate message.

1. I (max@underg.ucf.org, max@cerf.net) spoke on why on thought public
   Internet access is important, and how it might be accomplished, and my
   efforts to find a net connection.

2. Paco Nathan Alexander (pacoid@wixer.cactus.org) spoke about how other
   cities with less have greater access, and how we ought to be able to
   do something to provide access to the net. Also he is interested in
   publicizing the efforts to provide net access.

3. Chris Petrilli (petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu, petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu)
   and Bob Izenberg (bobi@vswr.sps.mot.com, bei@dogface.austin.tx.us) spoke
   on their Connect*Austin project. This is basically a three stage project.

       1. Basic Services
       2. Austin metropolitan IP network (AMNET)
       3. Internet connection

   The complete 20 page postscript proposal is available for ftp on the
   nextover machine listed above.

4. Lisa deGruyter (ldeg@tenet.edu) spoke about working within the bureaucracy
   and her efforts to start a freenet, or freenet like service in Austin.

5. John Quartermain (jsq@tic.com) provided some technical guidance, and
   encouraged us to 'just do it'!

                                          -= Max =-

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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi for sale
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:42:20 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

cmao760@chpc.utexas.edu (Chunyang Peng) writes:

> 89 Mithubishi precis LS 
> 5 Door, AT AC 
> AM/FM cassette, 
> power steering,
> runs like new.  
>   $3,700.   OBO 
> Moving must sell. 
> Phone 322-0107 

 
Are the proceeds from this sale going to be donatedfor public Internet 
access in Austin?
 

                                          -= Max =-

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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Let's do it NOW
Keywords: public net austin free
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:23:47 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

reaper@wixer.cactus.org (Keath Milligan) writes:

> I'm confused... (as if that were something new)
> 
> How can this thing POSSIBLY be free to all unless it is paid for out of
> one or a few peoples' pockets or it is government-funded?

Corporate donations would be one way. Possibly it WILL come out of a few
people's pockets, or be governement funded. The detail are still being
worked out. The reason why free is important is that we want everyone to
have access.

                                          -= Max =-

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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: November meeting
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:51:20 GMT

The November membership meeting was held last Saturday, and we filled the
time we had alotted for it (2-4).  A detailed report should be forthcoming
in the newsletter.

As part of the organizing team, feedback about the meeting (structure, 
content, etc.) would be very helpful.  If you made it to the meeting, what
did you think?  What could we do to make the next one better?  How often should
we have them?  What would you add or leave out?  

You can post your comments here in the newsgroup or email them to me or
jonl@tic.com if you prefer.  I'd rather that this be a discussion-type
feddback in public, but either way is ok.

Thanks,
Ed Cavazos
VP EFF-Austin


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: layton@cactus.org (Vincent J. Layton)
Subject: Central Texas Amiga Computer Show
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
Keywords: Amiga
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:16:38 GMT

The Central Texas Amiga Computer Show
This Saturday and Sunday (November 21 & 22)
at the Howard Johnson Hotel North (Hwy 183 & IH-35)
10AM - 6PM

EXPERIENCE:

  * A Laser Light Show            * The Video Toaster

  * Video Screenings of Amiga Computer Animations

  * Multi-Media Presentations     * Telecommunicating Live!

  * MIDI Music and Sound Sampling Demonstrations

  * Computer Graphics/Animation Art Show

  * Software Developers

          Plus the latest in computer games and Prizes!!


Admission Only $2.00

Dealer Booths Available

For more information call (512) 459-5440


Brought to you by

             The Central Texas Amiga Computer Society



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: Preliminary not-yet-official minutes for special meeting 11-22
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:55:19 GMT

DRAFT MINUTES OF EFF-AUSTIN SPECIAL DIRECTORS' MEETING - NOVEMBER 22, 1992
    Unofficial, pending Board approval.
 
    Prepared by Steve Jackson.
    Held at the SJ Games office. Called to order at 4:00 pm. Board
members present: John Quarterman (presiding), Smoot Carl-Mitchell,
Steve Jackson, Ed Cavazos. Advisory Board member present: Jon Lebkowsky.
   
   This special meeting was called by request of John Quarterman and
Steve Jackson, as provided for in the by-laws. Notice was given in
timely fashion through the eff-austin-directors mailing list.
 
Minutes of the November meeting were approved.
 
MINUTES PROCEDURE
   It was agreed that the Secretary will draft minutes of each meeting
within a week of the meeting, posting them to eff-austin-directors for
approval. Comment period will end one week after this posting, and the
corrected minutes will be posted to austin.eff. They will still be
labeled as "draft and unapproved" until their approval at the next
meeting of the Board. Following their approval (with or without
corrections) at the next Board meeting, the "draft and unapproved"
label will be removed and the final minutes will be posted again
to austin.eff.
 
SUMMIT MEETING DISCUSSION
   Following extensive discussion of the proposed "chapter confederation"
or "summit" meeting, it was agreed that Ed Cavazos will draft a response,
to be posted immediately to eff-austin-directors. All directors will
comment immediately and the response will be sent Wednesday.
 
ADJOURNMENT
   The meeting was adjourned at 5:20 pm.


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Subject: Newsweek
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:49:29 GMT

The current Newsweek has a page on Bruce Sterling's book Hacker Crackdown,
with a good picture of Bruce.


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Subject: Shekhinah: The Presence (Performance in Austin)
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Distribution: austin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:29:41 GMT
Keywords: performance, dance, Judaism, mystic, theatre

		The Human Systems Performance Group
			     presents

		      Shekhinah: The Presence

		     A Dance Performance Piece
			  by Joseph Zitt

		    November 20-22, 27-29, 1992
			      8:00 PM
			   Synergy Studio
		        1501 West 5th Street
		       	   Austin, Texas

Performers:

     Jan Barstow      Manu Bird Jobst       Kip Garth
     Jan Stevens      Nicholas Schriber     Joseph Zitt

     Art Installation by Eureka Purity

The Shekhinah ...

     (Sh'-KHEE-nah) in Jewish mysticism represents the presence of God as
     a divine female entity, embodying those aspects of God that are most
     closely connected to the people.

     Judith Plaskow has written that:

           "The Shekhinah is precisely that aspect of God with which we can
           be in relation, and it is experienced in joint study, community
           gatherings, lovemaking and other moments of common and
           intimate human connection."

Shekhinah: The Presence...

     is a multimedia dance performance piece derived from the movements,
     texts, and structures of Jewish worship.  Focusing on the figure of the
     Shekhinah as she appears to the congregants at a morning service, it is
     designed for audiences from a wide variety of cultural and religious
     backgrounds.

     Shekhinah examines the balance between the dual aspects of worship:
     the worshippers' internal relationship to the sacred and their external
     relationship to their community and the outer world.

     The performance text of Shekhinah is derived from Joseph Zitt's book
     of the same name, which was based on the original movement design of
     the performance.
     
     The music for Shekhinah is created entirely from voices, including:
           .    field recordings from the Western Wall in Jerusalem
           .    live improvisations based on texts from the Jewish liturgy
           .    electronic manipulations of recorded improvisations based
                on traditional melodies and modes.

Human Systems ...

     ... is a multimedia arts group devoted to the creation of distinctive
     works using original movement, text, music, and visual design.  Human
     Systems' productions extend beyond theatre into video, the visual arts,
     the printed word, and computer system design.

     Human Systems' work is simultaneously cybernetic and organic,
     celebrating the freedom with which wide varieties of people can work
     within common structures, in collaboration with each other and with
     novel performance technology.

For more information, call (512) 450-1916.
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: PUC: Caller ID illegal ad nauseum
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:30:34 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <1992Nov17.195940.29525@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, mbrown@testsys.austin.ibm.com (Mark Brown) writes:
|> >
|> >	You don't have to remember Phone Numbers, the little Caller ID
|> >	boxes allow you to input names associated with the number OR
|> 
|> The ones I've seen don't come with a keyboard, or a PC. Just a little
|> LCD display.
	Guess you don't get enough junk mail. I've seen lots of these,
	even the ones Damark was selling had that feature, read the features
	list. The PC doesn't come with it(of course), it's a add-on card &
	software. As a matter of fact, Rochelle Communications in the Austin 
	Technology Incubator makes one and probably sells it outside of 
	Texas RIGHT NOW.
|> 
|> >	plug it into you PeeCee and when the phone rings, you get all
|> >	the same info on them(assuming they've called before and you
|> >	logged the info into YOUR database).
|> 
|> All of this for the same utility you get now from the answering machine.
|> 
	If they hang up without leaving a message, I get NONE of that. If
	the phone rings twice(the Caller ID info is sent between the first
	and second ring) I get to know everything.(time of call, number etc)
	Lots of people don't leave messages, how do I get that info with
	no message? "2:00pm Today message BZZZZZZ(dial tone, hangup) real
	useful.

|> *IFF*:
|> 	we get Per Line (turn off the line all the time) Blocking
|> 	   (so I don't have to hit "*7Foo" every time I call)
|> 			-and-
|> 	we get Per Call Blocking

	Aftermarket devices can do that. You MAY be able to do that now?
|> 			-and-
|> 	we don't have to pay to Block
|> 
|> *then* Caller ID  will be a Good Thing for the "rest of us".

	Fine, voice your opinion to someone that can do something about it.
	I do, and I don't have near the restrictions you put on it.
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From: tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: Romantic places to eat in Austin
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:08:11 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Coffee R Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu

byab305@chpc.utexas.edu (Steve Poole) writes:
>We're looking for some suggestions for romantic places to eat in
>Austin.  We have been to Green Pastures, Jeffrey's, and the Paggi
>House.  We would like to try others.

Clarksville Cafe.  Mezzaluna.  Sfuzzi's.  Castle Hill.  Hudson's on
the Bend.  West Lynn Cafe.  The restaurant in the Four Season's.  East
Side Cafe.  Granite Cafe.

There are many, many more; Austin is crammed with more restaurants
(and movie theatres) than I've seen anywhere else, we just seem to be
a city that likes to go out a lot.  I read the Austin Chronicle
regularly, and it seems that is how I often hear of these places.
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