From: panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio)
Subject: Re:  the most beautiful women in the world
Summary: Fake and Bake
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:58:32 GMT
Expires: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: tans
Followup-To: alt.supermodels

In article <1992Nov23.111917.9076@ac.dal.ca> egilmour@ac.dal.ca writes:
>panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) writes:
>>Well, for the record:  I discourage the models I meet from getting 
>>tans, emphasizing to them that the *collagen* damage they suffer
>>from trying to look "healthy" is in fact long-term and possibly
>>irreversible (even with Retin-A).  I personally think Winona is

>The above is excellent advice for people getting into modelling
>(or for people who just want to look like a model).  Unfortunately

When I see women in their thirties and forties who obviously
baked themselves under the sun, the collagen damage is clearly
visible. I much prefer staying out of the sun myself. If I ever
get to shoot in the tropics again I'll be wearing a hat and
sunscreen. No more roasting under the sun unprotected.

>there are still people who think that tans are desirable and make
>a person look "healthy", and I despair when I see models like

Lots of people think tans are desirable. That's why so many
tanning salons operate over the winter months to keep the
tanaholics in shape (and I have never been impressed with fake
and bake tans, anyway, so I think this is pretty much silly).

>Christy Turlington with obviously bronzed skin (but

Christy is still in her early twenties and may not mind if it
gets her work. I think Linda Evangelista, on the other hand, is
taking a far more prudent approach, and it will probably serve
her well over the duration of her career. (May it be long!)

>then again when she gets old enough for the damage to show, she'll
>probably be a billionaire - and with that bone structure she'll

The modeling and fashion industry is very fickle. Brit Hammer,
who is one of the most successful petite models I know of, is
only 5'6-1/2" tall and was photographed exclusively for her face
in the Clinique ads; Clinique has since replaced her with someone
who I personally think looks hostile (at least in the pictures
I've seen) as opposed to approachable (Brit). I don't have the
name of the new Clinique model, yet. Estee Lauder dumped Willow
Bay, their former signature model, when they signed Paulina. So I
don't know how kind the industry will be to Christy in the years
to come. Some models seem to have enormous, timeless appeal (one
thinks of, say, Christie Brinkley, Lauren Hutton, and of course,
Lancome's ageless Isabella Rosellini). A classic beauty such as
Paulina will also have enduring appeal, I think.

>probably never have sagging skin).  Victor, you'll probably know, but
>the models who look tanned in photographs, is that usually makeup?  

It could be bronzer. Sometimes I've had to have makeup people
put it on to cut down the pale, ivory whiteness of some models.
The model I was photographing last night (who was drawing
admiring stares from the hotel staff and guests) is very pale,
and we did nothing to make her look less so, especially since she
was wearing dark velvet evening outfits and a black sequinned
one. The contrast against her porcelain skin was just amazing.

>I don't think their agents would tolerate their models (or should
>I say their bread and butter) having damaged skin.

I think her agency has told her NOT to get tanned. Good thing.

>Anyway, as a person who has tried to cultivate her pale skin very

Good for you! *clap* *clap*

>carefully, I still get people telling me I should get a tan - 

Tell them to stick their heads in a microwave.

>have protected myself earlier.  Tell your models that the
>sun burn they get today will show up years later as deep crevices, 
>sagging and bagging of the skin which can only be rectified through

Believe me, I do. They don't always listen, however.  8^(

>cosmetic surgery (yuck).  And unlike Coco Chanel, I think that
>today, untanned skin is again a mark of the priviledged class!(hee-he)

I agree. Don't fake and bake -- your skin will become leathery.
And *who* wants to caress leathery skin on a human being?

Not me, that's for sure. The softer and smoother, the better!

*chuckle*

Victor