From: rabbits@carson.u.washington.edu (Adolf Maas)
Newsgroups: tx.forsale,misc.forsale,austin.forsale,dfw.forsale
Subject: Re: Labrador Retriever puppies (*very good ones*)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:13:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.221337.29681
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Folks- This has got to be the most ridiculous chain I have ever seen- The
quotes with the " >" in them are from somebody who took over when God died.


>All, not most, but all reputable breeders have thoroughly investigated
>homes waiting for puppies *before* a breeding is done.  This is part
>of the definition of a reputable breeder.
>bogus behavior somewhere else?  Are you serious?

Are you for REAL?

>
>I don't care if he is Mother Theresa or a New Skete Monk, anyone who
>peddles puppies like this deserves a lot more than a good flaming...
>and *is* an indescriminate breeder, backyard or otherwise.  Good
>intentions, feigned or true, do not integrity make.  Try the cliche,
>If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
>Yes, it does.  Posting puppies for sale in a world-wide computer
>forum is no better than a "free kittens" sign on the roadside.
>A posting seeking a dialog with people interested in your breed
>with the ultimate goal of finding prospective *future* homes well
>before a breeding is done may be a good idea.  I have considered
>it myself.  A posting that offers 10 puppies for sale that are now
>getting big enough to be a lot of trouble for the owner is about
>a year too late and is a desperate act of an irresponsible person.

Desperate, maybe.  Irresponsible- no, just inexperienced.
>
>This is not a difficult concept to grasp, folks.  If you breed a
>litter, you are responsible for every life produced from that
>breeding, period.  It is by your action, or inaction, that life is
>produced.  You are responsible for them for their natural life span,
>regardless of whether you keep them or they go to "good homes".
>And yes, this includes responsibility for any breeding that your
>puppies that went to "good homes" may do in the future.

Bullshit.  Jan, are you responsible for your daughter if she gets
pregnant, and your son, if he gets some gal pregnant?  How about if they
had lots of unplanned babies- are you going to accept responsibility and
condemn yourself for having them in the first place?   The responsibility
lies in the owner of the dog, and only in the owner.

  If you
>cannot deal with that responsibility then you should not let your
>animals breed.
>
>You want to talk about support from the peanut gallery?  Try these:
>Rayguns had support from his crowd to trade arms for hostages.
>A crowded bar cheered as a woman was gang raped in New Jersey.
>Supported by Bush and the UN, China is exterminating the Tibetan people.
>Stop me before I mention Falwell or Popes or Stalin or Hitler or...
>Exactly what loop do I have to be in before you think it is okay
>for me to flame you or anyone else?  This is pure manure.  A posting
>was made in misc.forsale.  It generated a flame in misc.forsale.
>You flamed the flame in misc.forsale.  misc.forsale *is* the loop
>for this subject.  rec.pets.dogs is not required reading for this
>course in usenet flaming protocol.  Wrong answer, wrong justification,
>wrong theater... three strikes, you are out.

Jan-

Please, do us all a favor, get a life.  This is the real world out here,
so, at least once in a while, step out of your "own private Idaho" and see
how the world really functions.  I obtained my dog, whom I love dearly,
from a person who had bred their dogs, mostly for the experience.  No,
they didn't line up buyers all in advance, but why should they have to? 
They were quite successful in finding good homes for all of them, and then
followed it all up by having their bitch spayed.  Should rabbit breeders
find buyers for a whole litter before their does whelp?  Or snake breeders
before their clutches hatch?  It really is pretty silly to expect
something like that, unless it is someone's career, and they have been
doing it for years so that they have both the experience and the
reputation to BE ABLE TO FIND BUYERS/HOMES IMMEDIATELY.  Incidently, I
would much rather see "puppies/kittens forsale/free" than have them toted
down to the pound and have them housed and put to sleep at the taxpayer's
expense.  I'm sure that the "ideal world" that you are envisioning is very
nice, but is terribly impractical.  And to compare a SLIGHTLY (they are,
after all, trying to find homes for the dogs, rather than letting them
free or killing them) irresponsible dog breeder to the likes of Reagan,
the Pope, Stalin or Hitler (I can't believe than any half-intelligent
person would use them in the same context- maybe they aren't all that great,
but they aren't comparable) has to be one of the most inane comments I
have ever read or heard, except from the doomsdayer preaching on the street
corner.  Jan, if you get so riled up on such a trivial issue as this, I'd
hate to see what your attitude is on something really serious-  You'd
probably ignore it, right? 

	Jan, now that you've had your chance to preach to all of us how
great you and your thoughts are, shut up.  I don't think you've convinced
anyone, except yourself, perhaps, and you're just wasting everyone's
resources.  I'm really laughing- not with you, but at you.  By the way,
your mother didn't want you, did she?

	-rabbits 
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