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From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <shv4eINNqms@agate.berkeley.edu> upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <8235@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>If we made it two months, then you couldn't post any such statements
>>about Aikido!?
>Fine.
>I'm willing to give up my rights to pontificate about Aikido in exchange for
>little sense and order around here.

Hey, let's not get prickly! I was just kidding!

;)

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: dat1278@diku.dk (Stefan Krabbe)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:25:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

minhtri@ccc.amdahl.com writes:


>2.  What should go through one's mind while sparring?  Nothing should go
>through your mind while sparring.  You are supposed to pay attention to 
>your opponent.  Look at your opponent in the eyes, not at his feet nor the 
>center of his body.  Before your opponent attack you, he will glance at the 
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>point that he is aiming at.  You can verify this for yourself.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't think this is true.
I think it is wise to hide your spirit (intentions) and NOT in any way communicate
what your next move might be. Therefore I also think it is unwise to rely on
where your opponents eyes are looking. I can't say where you should look. I
think that the most important thing is to try to read your opponent...and
that the best way to do this is to NOT focus on anything particular, but to
try to grasp "the whole".

          Kind Regards
                S.
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:16:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr7.221600.3222
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences

In article <1992Apr7.165126.890@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>
>OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
>it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
>such a vehicle might have.
>
 
Humph! Vehicle! The true MA's only vehicle is his or her FEET!
				Ed 'cars are for wimps' Hartnett

PS ;-)
Organization: Sophomore, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:19:13 -0400 
From: "Albert Y. Hong" <ah2p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
	<1992Apr13.223717.14662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Distribution: na

Dear Martial Artists,

	What should I do if there is a person who boasts about their Marital
Art skills and threatens to kill other people. 
	I personally want to fight him and tell him that he is an embarassment
to everyone who truly loves the art.
	What should I do?
	Please give me some advice.


From Pittsburgh.
Albert Hong
From: pauljone@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Punches and Muskles...
Date: 6 Apr 1992 07:36:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <976@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.225908.10383@ns.network.com>, hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes:
>|> In article <ktjs6nINNo02@aludra.usc.edu> pauljone@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Jones) writes:

>|> >Obviously not a parent.  I have a one year old child, and she has
>|> >completely incapacitated me for several seconds on at least two
>|> >occasions.  She can hit *hard*.

>|> There speaks a real parent.  When my oldest was that age, she developed
>|> a particularly vicious variant of tomo-nage, the Judo summersault throw,
>|> wherein she would look up at me with a big smile, take one of my fingers
>|> in both of her chubby little hands, and then quickly lift both feet from
>|> the ground while attempting to swing between my legs.  Yaaahh!...thud!

>Well Mr. Jones, you are wrong, I am a parent but my child is only four months
>old.

Congratulations, and my appologies for my supercilious tone in the above
post.


>  Maybe very small children do have the minimum strength.  How about
>a fetus then?  Well I guess someone is going to say, "When I was pregnant,
>that kid had a pretty mean kick!"  Which may be true also.  My four month old
>certainly cannot hurt me but it could be argued that his strength is not focused.

>Alright, here is one more try.  Will you guys admit that certain targets require
>a certain minimum amount of power to do damage.  A newborn baby could damage
>your eye, but can the strength of a newborn's arm, even if focused, separate or 
>break a floating rib?  Come on people, you have to give me this one.

Your point is well made.  My point was twofold:

First, with the little strength that young children have, they can use it
very effectively, and it behooves us to study how they do this in order
to most effectively use our somewhat more powerful bodies efficiently.
This is frequently mentioned in books on the internal arts.


Second, given that there are more than a few targets which can be
effectively attacked using the strength of a one-year old, it certainly
is viable to have a MA style using little strength and focussing on these
types of attacks.  If you really want to smash someone's skull with your
fist, I agree that a certain amount of gross strength is needed.
However, I don't think it is necessary to smash someone's skull in order
to defend yourself (nor to break a floating rib).  This is the philosophy
behind arts like Aikido and T'ai Chi Ch'uan.



JMNSHO,
Mike Jones
From: nkraft@bkhouse.cts.com (Norman Kraft)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:29:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: bkhouse.nkraft.0308
Organization: Argus Computing, San Diego, CA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

In article <wdsOkXS00iU44GIZw5@andrew.cmu.edu> sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
>lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
>>         Those black belts who train
>>         regularly are easily seen by the degree of wear of their belts.
>
>	Yeah, everyone says this, so the obvious course of action is
>to take your fresh new black belt and run the orbital sander on it.


Good idea for the super-image conscious!! ;)

Actually, though, I'd point out too that I train hard and often, but I 
only wear my sash (Chinese stylist that I am), when I'm teaching or
formality requires it. Kung fu pants and a black tee are all I work
out in! My old TKD black belt, on the other hand, from my more image
conscious days, is beat to a strange combination of grey and dark 
grey.

Norm.

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions. Please read.
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:12:24 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <Idsk9Mi00UoJNOqhp=@andrew.cmu.edu>
sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:

% 	Ummm...here's 2 possible answers, if you insist on using kicks:
% 	1) Always be in condition to fight - that means to stretch a
% lot and stay limber constantly (yeah, easily said...)

        This can often be accomplished if you are pretty flexible by a light
        dynamic active stretch each morning.  This is to bring you to your
        'maximum' useful flexibility at the beginning of the day, so that
        you retain most of it throughout the day.  Works for me - helps those
        warmups go easier than on days I don't do this...

% 	2) Bring the target to a more reasonable height.

        "Come here, Mr. Enemy.  Take a look at the pretty bug on the floor..."
        BOOT TO THE HEAD!

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From: hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert)
Subject: Re: novice to master of basics to novice
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 06:25:43 EDT
Organization: Kampus Krusade for Kush

In a previous article, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) wrote:
> Ah yes, the old story of the 'white belt turns black thru the
>rigors of practice".  Charming, but a fairy tale, I'm afraid. The
>white/black belt system in Japanese karate was inherited from Judo,
>where it had been deliberatly implemented.  Most of the other colors
>got started so that people would get promoted often enough to have
>their egos massaged.

Site sources, please.  This one is too good to be forgotten.
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: White: Color of Gis, Color of Mourning - ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:23:35 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr7.023051.2181@wam.umd.edu> beawoulf@wam.umd.edu writes:
>
>It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!
>

Heh heh heh. Never done suwari-wazam, have you?
;-)

Steve
From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:11:13 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <JON.92Apr9140547@zeus.med.utah.edu> jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
 
>fourth, being poked in the arm is not nearly as devastating as having
>one's arm completely severed.  a "point" in one style may not be
>nearly as devastating as a "point" in another style.

I don't expect this would happen often, becuase of the great amount of force 
required to cut the bone. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Yagyu style
specialized in slashing the wrists. This would be much more effective than
slashing the arm because:

1) It would cut the ligaments and tendons that support the finger movements
rendering the attacker helpless and causing the attacker to immediately
drop the weapon

2) the speed of the attack could be much faster because of the subtlety of the 
movement wouldn't require the setup need to exert the force needed to sever
the arm. Also, it is possible that a slash to the arm be not be enough to
stop the attack immediately because it would not cut enough tissue and it
may only render one arm incapable of continuing the attack.

3) It would be much easier to seperate the hand from the arm at the joint.

4) If armour were worn, it would be most vulnerable because this area would
have to be free to move


Also, you mentioned the importance of the tip regarding posture. Another 
important function of the tip is to maintain maai, spatial relationship
between the swordsmen

neil

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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: If these postings are a representative sample of the arts...
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:29:15 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Apr16.001414.18162@leland.Stanford.EDU> sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger) writes:


>We can't all be great martial artists.  But we are all capable of good
>manners and humility.  And that's not a bad start.


Hear hear

--
As usual, JIMHO.
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	  willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Ouch! Groin kick
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:54:28 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <kdsqiqe00Uh7A8M7kC@andrew.cmu.edu> jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Piers McDonald) writes:
>Just a question,
>
>    When reading that post, did all the men on the net have the
>"community penis" reaction that is so common to stories like these?

Why does this remind me of a question Lauren posted about 6 months ago?

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
    <1992Apr13.223717.14662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
    <EduXAFm00awNAB8m1Q@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:58:00 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

In article <EduXAFm00awNAB8m1Q@andrew.cmu.edu> "Albert Y. Hong" <ah2p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Dear Martial Artists,

 Resisting the urge to grab that typo, note that while boasting is
low class, it's not illegal.  On the other hand, depending on local
laws, threatening to kill people may well be.  If the threatened parties
feel strongly enough about it to report the matter, a chat between
the police and the boaster may do wonders for his attitude.

>	I personally want to fight him and tell him that he is an embarassment
>to everyone who truly loves the art.

 You may tell him what you like, but I feel that fighting him just for
words said would make you worse than him. Thats your choice. But be
aware that even if you're morally right, if you fight him it's quite
possible that you, win or lose, will end up in jail.  This isn't a
bad kung fu movie, you know.

>	What should I do?
>	Please give me some advice.
>
>
>From Pittsburgh.
>Albert Hong

Osu!

Bud


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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bruce [and others] flame
Keywords: request for proof/documentation....
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:18:20 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


>In article <1992Apr12.223322.5940@news.cs.indiana.edu> mchui@spinner.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Chui) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.025331.11539@eng.umd.edu> doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
>>[Ker-snip]
>>>	and while we're on the subject of qualifications, would you mind
>>>publically stating your personal martial arts qualifications?  for example,
>>>i would be interested to see what style(s) you studied, for how long, and
>>>under which instructors(s), and what levels (recognized and documented, and
>>>by/from who) you attained.
>>
>>	I think the net.consensus is that, in general, we're not interested.
>>People's posts will stand, sit, fall, burn, or take ukemi on their own merits,
>>without regard to rank, etc.  I read this newsgroup to participate a
>>cross-stylistic exchange of ideas about MA, not to awe or be awed by
>>net.claims.of.m-a.experience.  But please, let the lively point-counterpoint
>>continue...
>>
>>Michael Chui
>>mchui@copper.ucs.indiana.edu


Yes ,.........and no (albeit primarily yes)
It all comes back to how much of a martial artist someone is.
Time does not *necessarily* make martial wisdom, (although
the latter does tend to follow the former).  There's usually at
least *one& person in each club who has been training for a long time
and yet seems to have learned little from it.  However, beyond a certian 
point, one must look further than a person's posts and try to see the man
or woman behind them in order to help make a decision.  NOT at their 
belts but at who they are.
Sorry if this isn't quite as clear as I mean it to be.
Sometimes, words get in the way of feelings, <helpless shrug>.

As usual, JIMHO

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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What's the point?
Summary: an opinion
Keywords: another opinion, worth about what you paid for it .....
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:36:02 GMT
Followup-To: doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <1992Apr12.223017.6948@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>	So what's the point of karate, anyway? Our school is very informal and
>the main reason people go is to learn a little self defense, stay in shape, and
>have some fun. Doesn't seem like too many of our instructors (don't call 'em
>senseis here) really have any other point to karate than to be able to defend
>one's self when the going gets tough. 
>	Probably the closest we have ever come to actually covering anything
>about what the whole deal with this karate thing is was when our instructor Rod 
>started reading _Zen In the Martial Arts_ to us. Unfortunately some mom in the
>kids class got ticked off because she thought he was teaching "eastern
>religion" or something...

	ignorance and intolerance combined together seems such a waste....
unfortunate....

>	Bringing me to my point... What do you all get out of karate? I have
>three things that I think most people get out of karate no matter what style or
>school they come from. Those are: 1). Self defense abilities, 2). Self-esteem
>(at least a little), 3). More or less physical fitness.
>

	not a bad set of initial objectives as far as i'm concerned....

>I'm just wondering if there's some thing I should actually work for in my quest
>for black belt?
>

	once you get to the above three, it would seem that the subsequent
question will be less necessary to ask.  more will come later....  if you
attain the three mentioned, you're already several steps ahead of many....

>Sonya Chang
>fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>

	another opinion, worth about what you paid for it .....
        and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

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From: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:45:16 GMT

In article <EduXAFm00awNAB8m1Q@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Albert Y. Hong" <ah2p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> Dear Martial Artists,
|> 
|> 	What should I do if there is a person who boasts about their Marital
|> Art skills and threatens to kill other people. 
|> 	I personally want to fight him and tell him that he is an embarassment
|> to everyone who truly loves the art.
|> 	What should I do?
|> 	Please give me some advice.
|> 
|> 
|> From Pittsburgh.
|> Albert Hong

Context is key:  Evaluate the situation and timing carefully.

If he's just a braggart and not actually 
inclined to try it, you might try (pointedly) ignoring him.  After awhile
everyone will probably get around to ignoring him and the problem will
go away.  Note that laughter is the best way to deal with this type.  If
you succeed in making him look the fool, this works very well.  From your
description of his behavior, it is likely that he is giving you opportunities
of this sort.  Choose your moment.

Making him a butt of laughter can also be a good way to provoke him if you
really need to deal with him directly.  That is, if he's a bully, you might 
consider doing something direct if someone is really likely to get hurt.  
(For instance, if he's likely to take apart your best friend when you're not 
around.)  I'm assuming that you have a reasonable chance of taking him.

Is this a classmate or an acquaintance?  A refereed match (in class, perhaps)
would spare you possible legal consequences and reduce the chance of anyone
suffering permanent injury.  In most cases it is just as effective at
teaching the person a lesson as a streetfight.  Note that as a martial artist, 
in many jurisdictions there are special laws that pertain to your behavior, 
especially if it can be argued that you started the fight.  (You may want lots 
of witnesses or no witnesses at all.)  Note also that just because he's a
braggart and a bully, that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't a litigous
coward in the bargain.  If you do teach him a lesson, you may find that he
tries to make friends with you afterwards.  It's characteristic of bullies.
If you want the responsibility, this may actually give you a chance to help
straighten him out.

Another question, who is his teacher?  Better teachers don't tolerate this
type of behaviour in their students.  His teacher may be waiting for the
proper moment to teach him a lesson.  Traditionally, this type of action is
considered the teacher's responsibility.

Finally, think twice and then don't take action unless and until necessary.
The world has a way of taking care of people like him.  Be patient.

"Sages nurture the way and await the time."  - Lao Tzu
From: billc@atl.mcd.mot.com (Bill Cutts)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Whats the point?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:48:02 GMT
Organization: Motorola Technical Systems Division (TSD), Atlanta, GA


In article <1992Apr14.121625.17413@src.dec.com+, kjones@src.dec.com (Kevin Jones) writes:
+ Steve Gombosi writes (or rather, quotes):
+     [a passage by Shoshin Nagamine, 10th Dan Hanshi, in
+      _Essence_of_Okinawan_Karate-Do_] 
+ 
+ Thank you, Steve. It's good to be reminded occasionally that there are still
+ some people who are practicing *Karate-do*. That's an art I've had the highest
+ respect for since my early days in the martial arts. Books like "Karate-do: my
+ way of life", "The heart of Karate-do", "Moving Zen", etc. helped found many of
+ my basic attitudes to martial practices, even though most of my focus has been
+ in another art.
+ 
+ Watching the drift over the last 20 years towards trophies in the window, black
+ belt contracts and world titles as the most important thing in the art has been
+ depressing for me. Not that I have anything against (some of!) these things,
+ it's just that it seemed that something of great worth was slowly disappearing.
+ 
+ The kind of practice the quoted passage describes is obviously not what
+ everyone is looking for, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm glad to see
+ that it's still alive and well and matters to some people. The unfortunate
+ thing is that the only "Karate" I see on a regular basis comes from commercial
+ schools, usually teaching Tae Kwon Do. (Not that I want to re-open the naming
+ discussion 8-+.)
+ 

When all the world recognizes beauty as beauty this in itself is ugly.
When all the world recognizes good as good this in itself is evil.

From Someone's (sorry this is from memory) translation of the Tao Teh Ching

+ I haven't read the book you quote but I enjoyed the passage very much. All
+ forms of Budo have more in common than we sometimes remember when we get into
+ narrow mind sets.
+ 
+ Thank you,
+ 
+ 

Nice to see something other than flames on the net. ;-)

Bill.
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA