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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Silber of Boston University
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:24:13 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <18lr3eINN2is@agate.berkeley.edu>
joan@koala.berkeley.edu writes:

>This reminds me -- does anyone have information on the below
>two Silber items from years ago?

>1.	His idea to have alumni take out life insurance policies on
>	themselves, making Boston University the beneficiary.

I'm not sure what ever happened to this fundraising scheme. It might
still be in place...

>2.	His idea of having B.U. take over the Chelsea, MA school system.
>	Did these ideas become reality and what were the results?

This happened. In the three years since its inception, there have
been three superintendants. The dropout rate has not changed at all.

There has reportedly been progress made on the elementary school level,
though.

Brian
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:29:25 GMT

In article <1396@esl.ESL.COM> drm@esl.com writes:
>jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>>Sure,that's the Bush campaign's Current Fantasy. Is it really playing out
>> that way though? The only one calling Clinton out on the carpet is hired
>>gun Charles Black.Oh, also Bush partisans who will delight in any kind of
>> sniping, the sillier the better. 
>> 
>Clinton is taking some hits on the recent LA Times story, in which alleged  
>that his uncle was pulling strings to get his draft physical delayed and  
>to get him into a naval reserve position.  The press has been hounding him  
>on that for the last week or two.

I'm still waiting for evidence that this is not just another campaign/media
circle-jerk (a la the "Dump Dan Quayle" campaign) that, as Clinton says,
does not amount to a hill of beans. Throughout all of the mudslinging, Bush
is still way down in the polls. Maybe people aren't concerned about the
bogus "issues" he's trying to raise? But keep trying, George. Clinton can be
a mean counter-puncher.


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From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:00:25 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <12293@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>If AB 2601 gets signs by our governor, there will be no peace
>on USENET about this issue.

It hasn't been passed and there *still* is not peace on USENET about
this issue.  Weather it is passed or not, it will cause controversey.


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From: walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:03:11 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <1992Sep13.093513.10341@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf):
> In article <12273@optilink.UUCP> walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh) writes:

> I think you're wrong about this.  In fact, right after Wilson vetoed
> AB101, a poll showed that two thirds of Californian voters supported
> AB101.  Sounds to me like many people, not just vocal lesbigays,
> support anti-discrimination laws.

Interesting.  If support were truly this widespread, you
would think that a ballot proposition would have sailed
right on through.

> What happens if your best man's boss sees this and says to
> her/himself, "Isn't John Doe Mark Walsh's best man?  I never knew he
> was gay."  And John Doe starts getting the worst work assignments, his
> job performance evaluations go down...

He came out years ago.  He is gainfully employed by a disk
drive manufacturer because of his engineering talents, not
because of his sexual preference.  Companies that do actively
discriminate eventually go the way of the dinosaur as they
lose not only the talents of those that they actually
discriminate against, but also of those who don't care for such
practices.  I believe that the owner of a business should be
allowed to ruin it as he/she sees fit.  Of course, a good
communist would feel otherwise.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger? (was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<lat620INNbj3@spim.mips.com> <1992Sep10.154502.24182@anasazi.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:01:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154502.24182@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:

   In article <lat620INNbj3@spim.mips.com> mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
[...]
   There are two fundamental differences: (1) Clinton has been lying and
   changing his story about what happened, rather than simply telling
   it like it is. That says a lot about his character today, as opposed
   to what it might have been 20 years ago;

Good point!

 (2) Clinton used a government
   program (ROTC) to avoid the draft, but then failed to live up to his
   obligations on that program. Quayle at least lived up to his obligations.

You're batting a thousand.

   As far as what happened to Quayle (being a PR dude)... that is the
   way the military works... some people get screwed, some don't, and
   it is random. At least he subjected himself to that lottery.

[...]
   Dan Quayle's unit could have been called up; Dan Quayle could have
   ended up peeling potatoes 18 hours a day in Indiana; Dan Quayle could
   have ended up being a PR flack. Luck is the most likely cause of the
   latter.

Exactly.

   Contrast this to Bill Clinton. He never was subject to any sort of
   random whim of the military. He arranged to always be in control of
   his fate, while putting the military in a position where they thought
   he had an obligation to him. He recently has been dishonest about the
   facts in this case. 

And such a man (person?) should be our president????????
From: hmiller@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Hugh Miller)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Stealing the Presidential Election
Summary: Is stealing a close election beneath Bush & Bake?
Keywords: stuff ballot box
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:47:40 GMT
Organization: Loyola University Chicago


    So?  Suppose it's a real close one, down to the wire.  Considering
our dear ex-DCI President's penchant for doing whatever is necessary to
add another line to his resume, and his pal Bake's well-deserved
reputation for acknowledging no depth of sleaze too low to wallow in
(while maintaining arms-length plausible-deniability for the campaign),
do you think the Bush campaign might try to steal the election?  Stuff
ballot boxes, jigger the absentee ballots (esp. military overseas), hack
computerized voting systems, whatever it takes?  Is there a team in
place right now working on it even as I type this? 
    Does anybody seriously think this sort of idea does not cross the
minds of people like that?  I invite you to visit Sweet Home Chicago,
where the elections are never over until the River precincts are in
(i.e., the cemeteries)!  The Dems here have been stealing elections
forever and a day.  And since there is no difference that I can make out
between a Daley Democrat and a Republican anywhere else, all the more
reason to wonder.
    What do folks think?  Technically possible?  Scenarios, please!

    -=- Hugh

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Yes to line item veto
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:21:54 GMT

In article <farenebt.716141534@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>I think that Bush made one (or two) good points in his acceptance speech.
>
>The one I agree with most is about the line item veto. It has been proved
>that the Prez and Congress can not work together on a budget efficiently
>(is government efficiency an oxymoron). It's about time that the prez
>has the power to slice out pork programs that only one or a few Congressmen
>want. If something important enough to enough Congressmen, they will vote
>to override that line item veto.

I second this.  The problem is, Bush, and before that Reagan have
been asking about this for years. It is starting to get a little
hollow. The Democrat Congress just won't pass the required Amendment
legislation. I find it a little odd that Clinton say he is in favor
of line-item veto, since if it *is* a wonderful thing, you'd think he
would have convinced his Democratic allies in Congress.

A line item veto is a good idea that will never happen. (sigh).
The Balanced Budget Amendment is a good idea that should happen, but
probably won't until it's too late (sigh). (*)

>It couldn't be any worse than it is now.

Well, wait 'til we have Clinton + Democrat Congress. You'll
find out. :-) "It doesn't get any worse than this."

Pat

(*) UNLESS .... we get some brave President willing to shut down
the Government, i.e., do a Pete Wilson, to force the Congress
to act on these issues and do it right. ... oh well, like
I said, it'll never happen.
From: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: CLINTON SPEECH: ON MANUFACTURING JOBS
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:12:25 GMT
Reply-To: kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep10.223904.14932@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>>Unfortunately, those other countries' governments can afford to do it, since
>>they haven't thrown a great party with tax payers' money and created a mess
>>of politically untouchable subsidies and programs.
>
>	Don't get out much?
>
>	Every major power in the world (except the US) has a a national
>health care policy. Most provide more funds for higher education then we
>do. Most have a higher rate of government investment in non military
>research then we do. The more sucessful countries (France, Germany, Japan)
>provide services that americans wouldn't dream of: child care, high speed
>transportation. The streets of Paris are hand swept *every day*, the garbage
>is picked up daily and mail is deliver three times a day to most buildings.
>The French public education system outperformes private education (there and
>here) with ease. The list goes on and on.

These countries are also different from the U.S. in attitudes about spending
"free" govt. money and abusing govt. money.  Most importantly they don't have
a govt that created and a people that allowed it to create a financial mess
our govt. is in.

As my original post said, they can afford it, for both political and cultural
reasons.

Still, the most important question is the economy, and specifically the
growth of the pie rather than the question of distribution.  Even a
Democrat like Clibnton has to acknowledge that, even though his economic
program (nominally aimed primarily at economic growth) can't stand up to
closer scrutiny.

THERE SIMPLY IS NO CLEAR AND PAINLESS FIX.

>>In the final analysis, the U.S. economic problems (other than short term
>>regulating problems) are so inextricably tied to the cultural, political and
>>productivity realities of this country that THERE IS NO CLEAR FIX.  At
>>least Bush is trying less to appear to have a fix for the fundamental economic
>>problems.
>
>	I get it: vote for bush, becuase he doesn't even have the pretense
>of a solution. Why don't we all just eat cynide instead - it's so much more
>convienent.

No.  Vote for Bush because at least we can count on him to do nothing and stop
more congressional handouts to speical interests.  Preserve the state we're
in now, and stop political nitpicking to encourage somebody who has the really
important qualities of political courage and the ability to gather support for
painful remedies to come along.  I don't want change for the sake of change.
I'm not throwing a temper tantrum.
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: speed, police, crime, hell
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:21:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <NEERI.92Sep14174043@iis.ethz.ch> neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher) writes:

> Theodore A. Kaldis:

>> Matthias Neeracher:
>>> Are you joking?  I'm *definitely* afraid of Swiss police, I am
>>> reasonably honest, and I'm not the only one.
>>  ^^^^^|^^^^^^^^^^^
>>       +-- [i.e., dishonest when you think you can get away with it]

> No, honest enough not to [pretend] that I stopped at every red traffic
> light I met in my life.

Hello?  What did I say?  Some folks are dumb enough to think they have
a reasonable chance of getting away with knocking over a liquor store,
others will settle for running an occasional red light or two once in
a while.  (BTW, rarely does anyone in the U.S. run red lights.)
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Canadian vs US health care
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:30:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <92258.200803DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>But the problem in the U.S. system isn't that any one insurer or hospital ore
>doctor is inefficient.  The problem is that a multi-payer system requires
>extensive administrative costs to run.

  You know, in all the years I've seen this topic debated I've heard many
  explanations for why US health care costs are higher than everyone else's.
  The above is certainly one of the standard ones.  So is liability/tort
  law.  High rates of crime/druge abuse/teenage-pregnancy are often cited.
  So is the way our system encourages people to wait till diseases become
  acute and expensive before seeking treatment.  And several others.

  *** BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE SUBSTANTIATE ANY OF THESE CLAIMS.  I HAVE
      NEVER SEEN ANY HARD FIGURES COMPARING THESE FACTORS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES
      IN WAYS WHICH ACCOUNT FOR THE HUGE DIFFERENCES IN HEALTH CARE COSTS. 
      THEY MAY ALL BE TRUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT OR SOME MAY BE MAJOR FACTORS
      AND OTHERS IRRELEVANT.  BUT ALL I'VE SEEN HERE IS SPECULATION  ***



>                              That can only be changed by reforming
>the system.  No single insurer or hospital or physician can unilaterally
>change the system.          

   I've never seen an insurer who wouldn't pay the patient directly
   instead of the provider.   In fact that's the only way I work --
   I never allow direct payments; I always insist that the provider
   bill me first so I can verify their ICD-9 codes and make sure they
   got everything else right.   So all a hospital has to do to avoid
   the multi-payer problem is to *only* work this way -- i.e., accept 
   payment from the patient only and let them handle the insurance
   paperwork.   


---peter





Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 22:49:25 GMT

somebody wrote:

>	Let's get real people. Reagan and Bush just happened to be
>on the watch when the collapse came.


So what? Dukakis just happened to be on the watch when the "Massachusetts
Miracle" occured, and that didn't seem to stop him from taking credit for
it, either.

MD
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From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: More Democratic Campaign Songs
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:19:31 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Sep12.224217.27735@usl.edu>
pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:

>		Spend All The Money
>	(to the tune of "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang")

>	Spend, spend, spend all the Money
>	Spend all the money, rig-ht now.

Republican defense spending tripled our deficit.

>	We don't care 'bout tomorrow
>	'cause we're having too much fun right now.

Republican trickle-down theory failed miserably because it encouraged
short term financial goals.

>	Bill Clinton,
>	can't inhale,
>	Hillary's a crazy girl,
>	Al Gore and Tipper second team...

Sounds like the '88 negative personal-attacks campaigning of Bush all over
again.

>	Vote the Dem-o-cratic Par-ty
>	Marxist I-dea-ol-o-gy.

This is bullshit and you know it.

>	Vote the Dem-o-cratic Par-ty
>	FI-NAN-CIAL CA-TAS-TRO-PHE!

The democratic congress is not responsible for the savings and loan
crisis, or exorbitant defense spending.

>	Spend the money
>	Spend all the money

On defense, on defense, on defense...the environment, and education
be damned...

>	Spend the money
>	Spend all the money...

Before it gets in Democratic hands...

>						Brought to you by,

						your local heterosexist
						bigot,

>						Gerard Vignes
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Bush's Accomplishments
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:35:40 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <nate.555@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
]john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
]>Well... let's see...
]>   He did a good job of conducting Desert Shield and Desert Storm
]
]    Strange, I thought that Schwartzkopf (sp?) did a good job conducting 
]the war, but the greatest credit I would have attributed to Bush is that 
]he did a good job of staying out of the way and letting the real soldiers 
]fight the battles. 

That was one good thing he did (unlike Johnson, who didn't). What I was
referring to was:
  -the diplomatic effort to enable the whole thing in the first place. This
   was quite a trick... especially with congress trying to undermine
   his credibility throughout.
  -the RAPID response in sending the military to Saudi Arabia almost
   immediately after the Kuwait invasion
  -letting the pro's run the war rather than micromanaging it.

All in all, a pretty good effort - especially if you compare it to
history since WW-II.

]>He has vetoed a lot of bad legislation.
]
]    He's obstructed the work of my elected Congressional representatives.
]Yes, that's certainly a mark in his favor...

Are you implying that YOUR elected congressional representative should
NOT be balanced by YOUR elected president?


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From: martillo@stars.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Fair Swap
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:46:25 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Clearpoint Inc., Hopkinton, MA

In article <1992Sep5.003032.25153@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
:In article <1992Sep4.220305.10428@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
::In article <1992Sep04.181321.2461616@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:

:::Besides, israel came to forcefull existence on May, 15 '48.  Before
:::that the term israel was only biblical pointing to an extinct tribe.

::This is the most ghastly joke I have ever heard.  Elghani, you obviously
::believe every bit of propaganda you've ever been fed.  I'm a *member* of
::that "extinct tribe".  What is this?  Do you wish all the Jews in the
::world dead?  

:Of course he does. You didn't know this already?

The viewpoint which distinguishes between the Children of Israel, who
are admirable monotheists but long departed, and Jews, who are
basically contemptible, is fairly common throughout the Islamic world.
--
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bush Announces Sale of F-15E's to Iraq
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:35:37 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@redwood26


In article <pgf.715630578@srl07.cacs.usl.edu>, pgf@srl07.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes:
> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> 
> >Each plane will display a yellow Gulf War ribbon, hand-painted by Dan Quayle.
> 
> >I saw part of Bush's speech to a similar crowd about sales of fighter 
> >planes to Taiwan (I think). 
> 
> >As we know, nobody in this election has a monopoly on pandering...
> 
> Yah, god forbid we should sell fighters to a country which will
> use them to maintain their national security and identity separate
> from such a paragon of virtue like Communist China.
> 
> Let's not forget that this is the first time Bush has risked
> pissing off the Communist Chinese.

Let's not forget that Bush has had 4 years for "pissing off",
yet only a faultering election campaign seems to motivate him.

>                                     And what happens but all
> the retarded liberals start attacking him for it...

For yet another election year conversion...

Don't you see anything wrong with Bush changing his positions
based on election year politics?

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