From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:29:04 GMT

In article <Bttxzq.HpH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>>Are you kidding?  Turkish arm forces are the only reason
>>why Cyprus was never turned out to be today's Bosnia.
>>This is the only security that Turkish Cypriots have and
>>alway will.  Like every Bosnians today, we all know how
>>much UN provides when modern day massacres committed.
>
> I haven't seen so much hypocricy in my entire life.  You turn things
> upside-down; you present the black as being white.  

I can post the entire Akritas plan if you want to teach
you the meaning of hypocrasy.  
>
> Turkish forces in Cyprus are forces of occupation.  Turkish invaded
> Cyprus in order to divide the island into a Greek and a Turkish part.
> 
Hardly.  Turkish arm forces their for the security of
their own.  They could not do in 1963 but they did it
with flying colors to protect their own from the faith as
we all are seeing in Bosnia.  You may be sorry that they
were the party pupers in 1974 ut such as other unecpected things
in life.
> Turkey has been 'convicted' by the UN numerous times since 1974.
> Your opinion, that turkish military in Cyprus "is the only security 
> that Turkish Cypriots have and always will" shows the real intension
> of Turkey; which is to annex the northern part of Cyprus.

We all know how UN resolves ethnic violonce and
cleansing, don't we?  That is why the Turkish arm forces
are there and will move nowhere until Turkish Cypriots
are satisfied.  If not, that is what it will be.  As I
understand from past and current goverments in Turkey,
despite all the internal problems and membership to EEC
or not, the resounding resolution was and still is 18 years, 
36 years 50 years do not make any difference if Turkish
Cypriots are not convinced that there are no way of
returning before 1974.

>
> What? The numerous convictions of Turkey from UN are also crap?
> On the one hand, Turkey is refusing since 1974 to comply with the
> UN decisions, and on the other hand you dare to call this thing crap?
> Do you know how many nations have voted against Turkey in the UN?
> All nations, with the exception of Pakistan. Do you thing all these
> people are stupid, and Turkey is the clever guy who always demands but
> never complies?

You cannot expect to have your cake and eat it too.
Sure, the Greek side has to concede  more because they
were the people start that mess at the first place.  Don't you 
see the Iraqis now.  They cannot fly over their own country since they
lose the war.  What do you expect Panos?  If you lose in
the battle field, you must lose at the table as well.
Germany lost the war. They lived almost a half century
as divided country.  Otherwise, how an aggressor can be thought not 
to repeat those mistakes again.  These are simple things to
be learned as common sense.  There is no way that Cyprus will 
return the same status before 1974.  It is too late if
you expect that.  If Turkey could be intimidated by UN to do what 
is right, never done what it did at the first place.  We all know how 
UN decisions are made.  At least, I learned very well at
these recent days.

Both Cypriot parties at the table now and there will be no 
resulution what so ever according to Ankara if Denktas is not 
satisfied.   I heard that he is really trying.  When Denktas says 
"Yes," you know that you got a deal.  Until then, we just have an empty 
talk here as many times you wish.  

C. Akgun
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