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From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:06:47 GMT

matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:

>If you're using compilers/assemblers then fork out some more and get a Hard
>Drive, really, anyone who uses a floppy system for 'Productivity' work is
>a fool.

This sort of attitude really makes me sick.
Anyone who uses a floppy system is probably doing so because they do not
have the money for a harddrive.  Simple eh?  And just because they don't
have the money for a harddrive - doesnt mean that what you are doing doesnt
count.  Think about it - if you have a system A which is useless without a
HD and system B that is useful with an HD - surely system B is a more rounded
and better system than A [assuming apart from this difference, they are very
similar systems].

In the old days on my BBC B, I didnt even have to access any secondary
memory storage devices to use the assembler - on my amiga its a very different
story.  People always criticise 'eurohackers' for not using the OS, but
when disk access is dreadfully slow, and it takes a year to include the
system include files - can you really blame them?
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A growing dislike for Amiga
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:14:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington



There is only one reason I can think of for gaining a growing dislike for
an Amiga (and I half expected the fellow who posted the original article to
say it. :> )

And that reason would be if my SO preferred to spend more time with the Amiga
than with me. :>   (Unless, of course, we were BOTH ignoring each other with
our respective Amigas...then it wouldn't matter. *grin*)

Crystal
  ;>
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Keywords: The worse part is I have the cash for the A4000
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:42:30 GMT
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden

kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:

>In article <1af6qdINNets@gap.caltech.edu>, andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:

>> 	I hate to break it to both of you, but the Amiga isn't
>> a giant Commodore 64.  And for people who still doubt that
>> this will restrict graphics applications because of performance
>> loss, I have three letters for you:  SGI.
>>
>>              Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2)

>I am so sick of this B.S. Some hacker out there will crack the AGA
>chipset. It will probably be one of the Euro-demo programmers out
>there. And I will be the first to congratulate the said person.
>If they publish the ECS chipset specs, why the sudden turnaround?

  Won't you ever stop? I'm sick and tired of this incessant whining
about no hardware ref. for AGA. If you want to hit the hardware - fine, 
just do it. Reverse-engineering AGA probably isn't too hard. Just don't 
expect any of your creations to work on anything but the machine you're 
playing with. I used to be a die-hard hardware banger, but I'm converted 
now. Why won't you do the same and at least have *one look* at what's 
offered in V39? It's a lot better than previous versions.

  I dare to say that it would be possible to make `Project X' run perfectly
on an A4000 using V39 + AGA. I can see no major problems, actually.

>Someone will write a better graphics library than the one that
>will come with WB3.0. It will happen.

  Yeah, right. Some 14 year-old swedish hacker will surely do it... NOT!
Give the CBM Software engineers some credit, will you? I personally think 
graphics.library is a brilliant piece of work and no euro-hacker could 
even dream of doing it better while retaining the same functionality.

>Publishing the specs will allow
>better demos/programs/apps/games now instead of the time it will
>take if someone has to reverse engineer the AGA chip set. 

  Publishing some hardware specs won't bring you any better software.
Why not put some energy into producing stuff that people actually would
find USEFUL? Make *real* programs instead of those incredibly lame demos.
--
Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
 Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:50:10 GMT

kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.060048.24518@uni-paderborn.de> laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt) writes:
>>I only want to correct the number: instead of the old count 3.000000, we
>>should use now 4.500000:-B

>Well, I've got one of them, who's got the other 3 and a half :)

Hrmf:-B....the period was only visualization help:-B


Regards..hehe

-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: pc imagine was: ibm l
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:56 EST


AB>They are, at least according to their last newsletter.
AB>Suggest you keep your Amiga as a really neat computer, and get a 486 as
AB>a dumb but powerful (and cheap) rendering engine. Promises they won't ever
AB>stop supporting the Amiga.

AB>Estimated shipping date October 1st, offer of $100 dollars for existing
AB>Imagine owners who want to pre-order now. $495 otherwise.

AB>"Yes we can ship it discreetly. No one will ever know that you are using
AB>the PC for anything other than a doorstop." - I guess they know how
AB>enthusiastic Amiga owners can be.

 I remember a few years back that the makes makers of Sculpt 4D were porting
thier program over to the Mac. At this time people were crying that the Amiga
was dead because they lost one of the best 3D programs available. I called 
the company to ask about Scuplt 4D before I purchased my Amiga. They told me
to get the Mac version because the Amiga version sucked. I almost did but 
luckily a few friends turned me into the right direction (Amiga). You see the
Mac version of Scuplt  costed 3 times more and didn't offer as many features!
 
 I'm not one of those people who cry when an Amiga company makes it big enough
to compete in the IBM world. In fact I am happy when a popular Amiga program
is released on the IBM. This means that anything developed on the IBM version
would be implemented into the Amiga version and anythign designed on the IBM
version would be ported to the Amiga version.
 
 It also means that IBM users would be aware of an Amiga version if they wanted
to buy a second computer for ray tracing they could by an Amiga and remain
compatible. It also shows IBM users that there are a lot of powerful programs
available on the Amiga.

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon)
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:57:58 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep29.140549.10214@eng.umd.edu> gerrymon@eng.umd.edu
(Gerry Mon) writes:

>lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>>
>>Now, if you only have one 'true' source and one 'source-destination'
>>the modulo of the second source and the destination is always forced
>>to be the same....
>
>No, the BLiTTER really does have separate modulos for the source and
>destination.  To be specific, it has 4 registers labeled Src_Xinc,
>Src_Yinc, Dst_Xinc and Dst_Yinc.  These are the modulo registers for
>the source and destination.
>
>--Gerry

Boy, I'm an idiot.  I just re-read your comments and I misinterpreted
it.  You're absolutely correct in that the second source and
destination share the same modulo (basically because the second source
and the destination are one and the same).

Sorry!

--Gerry


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A4000
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:03:04 GMT

In article <35370@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

|> The A2091 works fine with the A4000.  Really old ROMs never worked, they,
|> like many Zorro II autoboot drivers, never considered that the first
|> Fast RAM you allocate might not be in the 24-bit space (eg, DMA-able).
|> I think some prototype A4000s may have been sent out with the wrong backplanes,
|> those might have caused A2091 problems, but there's no problem on real units.

To all, re: Dave's correction...

It's very hard to trust that "inside" information, which often comes off the 
prototype units Commodore let the developers play with. One dev. told me (in
no specifics, don't start quoting NDAs...) that he saw one application tested
on 20 DIFFERENT A4000s! Worked on a little over half, depending on what C= had
done to it.

But then, you knew that, right, Dave? We're all gonna have to wait and see what
a REAL A4000 is like... someone go buy one! We'll chip in a penny each, should
get enough $$$.

8)

|> Thing is, you don't want DMA with the A2091.  The memory you want your
|> programs in can be reached by 24-bit DMA.  Chip RAM can, but you don't want
|> DMA going there, since it's a much more limited resource.  
|> 
|> -- 
|> Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
|>  "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
|>              "You lie so much you believe yourself" -Metallica

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Keywords: moan, gripe, bitch
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:01:39 GMT
Originator: stigo@svidre.ifi.uio.no


In article <35393@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.231339.8882@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
> > 2) MAINTAIN YOUR USER-BASE. OFFER UPGRADE PATHS to the new high-end 
> >    machines. If you alienate your user base, new software products
> >    will become scarcer. There will be no repeat sales to previous
> >    Amiga owners as they migrate to other platforms due to the
> >    lack of software necessary to get the job done. HAVEN'T YOU HEARD
> >    THE MAXIM THAT GOES:
> > 
> >                     SATISFY THE CUSTOMER!
> 
> Haven't we been fairly consistant about offering various upgrade paths
> in the past?  Typically these have been in the form of incentive
> discounts, but they seem fairly popular at the time, eh?
> 

I wonder, is these upgrade paths only available in the US? When I bought
my A500 (it's got a serial # ~2200 from germany so I think
I was of the first) I sent in a registration card. I got no offer to
upgrade to Kick1.3. I've yet to see a upgrade offer to any product
from the company. 

So is this just C= Norway then? Just how much is C= International
involved in the companies in each country? 

-- 
Stig A. Olsen  |  stigo@ifi.uio.no  |  "Ja til EF"
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Date: 25 Sep 92 18:57:43 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep24.144035.20183@eng.umd.edu> gerrymon@eng.umd.edu (Gerry Mon) writes:
> In article <19r8nrINN2sk@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> >glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
> >: 	O.K. folkes, please tell me EXACTLY how the Amiga blitter is better
> >: than the Atari blitter.  I really want to know, I don't want another
> >: never-ending flame-war on this but I always see this statement in this
> >: newsgroup with no explanation on why and I have the developer docs on BOTH
> >: chips sitting at home.  Feel free to send me E-mail so as not to bother the
> >: uninterested.

(details omitted)

> The Atari BLiTTER can do much more than simple data copying too.  It
> is a complete implementation of the general raster operation known as
> the BitBlk in most graphics text books.
> 
> In my opinion, the Atari BLiTTER has been unfairly critisized in the
> past.  It's actually very nice.  While the Amiga blitter is
> technically better, this doesn't make the Atari BLiTTER a piece of
> junk like some have been implying.

A pretty good comparison.  The Atari blitter does a lot of things, but
is limited to 1 source + 1 source+destination vs 3 sources + 1 destination
and may have less generalized area fill and/or line draw capabilities.

The means it can do BitBlt primitives (rectangular window/text primitives),
but not some of the fancy stuff that the Amiga folks thought would make
good picture oriented graphics stuff.  (depending just how different)

The extended 14M vs 2M addressing capability is also good, as long as this
isn't the limit of memory in the system.

The real question is, given the operations that the Atari blitter implements,
can a 68030/40 running in the A3000/A4000 "fast memory" environment do them
as fast or faster than the Atari in the 14M shared memory context.  If not,
then it's not a significant architectural advantage...
From: stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:42:54 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

In article <1992Sep18.185559.17290@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <92262.121638KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) says:
>>>The problem with older software is that the bozos who wrote the code did not
>>>follow the rules set by Commodore.
>>
>>Which rules/guidelines are these?  Were are they published?
>
>Amiga User Interface Style Guide
>Amiga ROM Kernel Reference Manual: Includes and Autodocs, Third Edition
>Amiga ROM Kernel Reference Manual: Libraries, Third Edition
>Amiga ROM Kernel Reference Manual: Devices, Third Edition
>Amiga Hardware Reference Manual, Third Edition
>
>All are part of the Amiga Technical Reference Series, published by the 
>Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc.  As to where they are published,
>there are several sites listed in North America, South America, Europe,
>Great Britain, Australia, and Asia.
>

Actually, weren't these in all editions? Plus, don't forget Motorola's
specs. How about MicroSoft with BASIC using the high 8-bits of an address
for data, and thus destroying any chance of it working with accelerated
machines? The rules are around and published, many people just choose to
ignore them.

I thought it was so neat when Carrier Command (from WAY back) worked greate
on my 68030 / 2.04 Amiga 2000 -- someone back then new how to write proper
software. Even if it doesn't install on my harddrive :(

--
-- Greg Stelmack (stelmack@eggo.csee.usf.edu)
-- FullTime Grad Student, PartTime Amiga Salesman, PartTime Amiga Developer
-- Author of: Spades, Pro Port Analyzer Plus, more to come...
-- DISCLAIMER: The opinions reflected here are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:56:49 GMT

In article <mac1.717561183@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>
>>In article <0ekpbzq00WBL44RlR1@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
>
>>>Put in 16 bit stereo on the low end and add DSP on the high end.  If
>>>thats the lowest common denominator, the quality of life (and MUSIC)
>>>will improve.
>>>Make your machine the REAL TIME machine: R/T Video, R/T audio.  (Yes,
>>>even games will improve).
>>>
>
>>Just wait until chistmas and you'll have it all...
>
>>/Stefan
>>===============================================================================
>
>
> Hi Stefan,
>	   will you eat a floppy disk if we don't ?   :) :) :)
>
>
> Mubashir.
>

All my sources at C= sweden told me so, and they have not lied to me 
yet, so if we don't get DSP & 16 bit sound by christmas, I'll gladly
eat a box full off floppies...(yum,yum!) :-)
/Stefan

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 4 Oct 1992 14:02:29 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <3wpzkjb@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>Nahhhh... not for a $40 chip! (We finally got a real price...) ...and, of
>course, a little retooling of the motherboard. 

Is that Motorola's price, mass quantity?  You can't look into a
magazine and get the price from Mahatma's Discount Chips, you know.  ;)

>"Dirt Cheap" is for used cars - do you buy a new car (or computer, or stereo)
>simply because it's the CHEAPEST one out there? The Yugo didn't sell too well,
>even at $4000.

No, but if that "dirt cheap" compares favorably to existing systems in
that price range (and it does, believe me.  The closest thing to that
price range is a SNES/Genesis.  :), yes.  And don't ask me if I'd buy
one--I wouldn't.  I'm more the 4000 type.

>MMMMMMMM.... <drool>

You should really fix that.  It makes you look like you just bought
something with an Intel processor/trash-compactor/super-pacifier...  :)

>But we've been talking about this one for YEARS. Same with DIG... when are the
>gonna announce that one? 2093??? Every developer on earth is looking for it...

Developers know where it will be and when to expect it.  It's
somewhat-common knowledge, if you ask the right people (not the ones
under disclosure, but they leaked lots of hints at the releasing of
the 4000.)

>RIIIIIIGHT. And the AGA will fit in the A3000, too...   8)

Of COURSE it will fit.  It just won't work with any software, because
currently, there's no DIG.  See the problem?  AGA could fit onto a
Zorro III, if we had DIG.  You'd put AGA and some chip ram on there...
that's oversimplification to a good degree, but you see the point.

>It's the law of technology. No matter how expandable it is, the new stuff don'
>fit. Pre-specs and prototypes are bullsh*t (Commodore learned this with the
>68040...) and if anything can go wrong, it already did.

:)

Motorola was a LONG way off with the 040, I was surprised.  But if you
think THAT heat requirement-change from expected was bad, take a look
at that 66DX/2 jobbie.  Now that's heat.  I've been told by a friend
who has one that he burned his finger when he was told to stick his
finger on it.  And I mean burned, as in third-degree.  It was a
"practical joke".

Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:56:20 GMT+2
Subject: Santa Claus (Re: To all Amigans!!!)
From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Distribution: world
Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article ??? runehy@dhhalden.no (RUNE HYLDMO) writes:
>
> A guy from Finland wrote that they had Santa Claus there...

Yes.  He lives in Korvatunturi, Lappi, FINLAND.

> Then he must have been kidnapped... He is originally from NORWAY you see.

I think your brain has been kidnapped.

> Therefore I have called in Interpool and the Norwegian secret service on 
> the matter!!!

Interpool... is that some kind of billiard?

> To all the people of Finland. We want SANTA CLAUS back before dawn or else 
> we will get NATO to nuke you off the map.

No way.  If NATO nukes Finland then there won't be any Santa Claus.  NATO
can't be so stupid.

> Greetings from 
> 
> Rune Hyldmo

Uh, we Finnish have a love/hate relationship with Swedish (and with
Russians...).  And I know that Swedish think the same about Norwegian.  I
hope that this Finland/Norway bashing stops here...

-- 
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    Markka is still floating!
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling computer science student needs a free A4000.
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:05:10 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany
Keywords: give money now!


In article <1992Sep28.114200.28585@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
 >In article <1992Sep25.185157.12184@lth.se>, e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) 
 >writes:
 >>In article <9226916.974@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller) writes:
 >>>I am struggling compsci student and are looking for generous rich people
 >>>to send me money to buy an A4000. I would like one because I can play lots
 >>>of really good games on it, and then I can say "I own an A4000"!
 >>
 >>Yeah, that goes for me too. So all you rich people, start sending me money!!!
 >>
 >>/Stefan (VERY,VERY,VERY poor student...)
 >
 >Hey! What about me? I'm freezing to death up here in the northern Norway.
 >Don't you feel sorry for me.
 >
 >/Espen (EVEN POORER student)

Well whiners, I can easily top that: I'M A POOR COMMODORE EMPLOYEE!  NOW!

(Do I have to sign such a post with Retep Lettik these days?)

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