HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: leonard@ssd.intel.com (Leonard Bottleman)
Subject: Re: Progeny limits
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:14:46 GMT

In article <scZ0iB1w164w@PDaXcess.techbook.com> chrisbw@PDaXcess.techbook.com (Chris Wisehart) writes:
>There are more than enough resources availble to sustain our present 
>biosphere forever, even with billions of humans.

Given that the resources of the Earth aren't enough to support the current
population with todays political environment, I find your statement hard
to believe. Also, there is evidence showing that our current levels of
agricultural production may not be maintainable: lowering water tables,
pollution, and erosion of top soil are already beginning to limit
productivity in some areas.

>Let me give an example of one possibility I believe to be feasable with 
>this decade.  Imagine a transportation system hauling all the earths 
>waste to one place where a system of lasers control the fusion 
>transformation of this waste into usable elements, i.e. gold, silver etc. 
>The excess energy generated from this industry would be use to supply 
>electricity to the world at a very small cost.  

Excess energy? Where will the energy come from to transport all this waste
to the fusion plants, or to make the vehicles which will transport it? Where
will the energy come from for the high power lasers that are required for
fusion?

The products of fusion are highly radioactive for tens, if not hundreds,
of thousands of years. So now we're converting all of our waste into
unusable radioactive material which requires even more space for safe
storage.

How is this going to help?

Leonard Bottleman	leonard@ssd.intel.com
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: peterh@netcom.com (Peter John Harrison)
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 16:13:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

I've been reading this thread, from down here in San Francisco.  Yes,
mygawddon'ttellmeit'sa *Californian*!   Eeeeekkkkk!

Gimme a break.  Even if I have lived in this state, on and off, for 
about 2/3 of my 30 years, does that mean I fit in with the stereotype
you hace me set up for?

What if I was black?  Hispanic?  A woman?  Rich?  Poor?

I can see holding predjudice against an individual, say a politician,
because you know something about him and don't like it, but suggesting
all Californians are filth and shouldn't be allowed to move to your
neighborhood?  Shall we send all Jews and Japaneese back to detainment,
too?  Take the vote away from blacks, women, and people who don't own 
property (one of the original requirements to vote in many states)?

Shall we issue little I.D. cards and set up toilets: "Californians"
"Good People"   ?????

If you really feel that way, please feel free to join the Nazis or 
other political party of your choice.  But don't bother telling me 
you have an open mind about sex, race, and religion.  You can't even 
get past where a guy lives.

==== End Flame ====
peterh@netcom.com       This opinion is mine, but make it yours if you like.

Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: badcheck@milton.u.washington.edu (Craig Friesen)
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:03:28 GMT

htodd@amadeus.wr.tek.com (Hisashi Todd Fujinaka) writes:

>In article <7590004@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> vernon@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (Vernon King) writes:
>>Why the hell are you guys so hostile. It is a free country and this person 
>>who asked a question deserves a civil answer. 

agreed

>Being rude to lawyers is a national pastime, and I don't see any
>problem there.  If someone wants to be a lawyer, they should be able
>to put up with being ridiculed.

I'm sorry, but people who talk like this really get on my nerves.
I really don't like the way you're prejudging this guy.
Even I don't like people from California, but that's because most
of the ones I've met are rude, loud, and like to brag.  Funny, you
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Our gripe with Californians (was Re: Tell me about Seattle)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: kopachuk.1992Apr14.211004.2937
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.

In article <1992Apr12.232303.9152@beaver.cs.washington.edu> tsang@cs.washington.edu (Donald Tsang) writes:
>
>BTW - Seattle (all of WA?) drivers, you *do* know about the newish law,
>      stating that one is not allowed to drive in the left lane of a
>      (4+ lane) highway except to pass?
>
This is a STATE law and it covers all highways with two or more lanes
in each direction.  Courts have ruled, believe it or not, that it is
no defense for the left-lane bandit to say "but I was going the speed
limit and the person I was holding up would have broken the law by
speeding".  BTW, when you finally get to the front of such a tie-up,
and find the culprit, it's usually...

A Corvette or Porsche, going 5mph under the speed limit in the left lane.

-- 
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 ..!uunet!stephsf!tacoma!dcb |"Stainless steel bolts are  |  /   ____/ / 
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From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle and jaywalking tickets
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:49:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Apr13.194916.20997
Organization: Washington State University

I once hit a pedestrian who ran across the street in front of me just
as the light was turning green for me.  He came out of nowhere and I
shifted my foot immediately to the brakes and there was a minor
meeting of car and body.  He fell to the pavement and got a rather
nasty cut.

This was witnessed by several passengers in my car as well as numerous
other pedestrians and drivers.  (3rd and Pike on a Sat. morning).

The result: the poor soul laying there bleeding on the pavement got
a jaywalking ticket.  Not that I minded when he turned out to be a
total A-hole trying to sue me months later for mental torment or some
such thing.  Fortunately this interaction was with my insurance company
and not me.

So jaywalking tickets have their place, especially when the behavior
is dangerous to self and others.
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98127809@WSUVM1.bitnet CIS: 71511,1512  AOL: JeffParke
a.k.a. Jeff Parke,  Washington State University College of Vet. Medicine
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:51:43 GMT
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=

In article <1992Apr8.012624.8269@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>I really have no business talking, though - I came from Houston, TX
>only 2.5 years ago. For what it's worth I love it here and don't want
>to leave, and I recycle, and I go barefoot and I don't own a car.. Do
>I pass muster?


  The reason Seattleites hate Californians and not people from other states
though people move here from all over is that when someone from another state
moves here they try to fit in, when californians move here they panic that its
not like california and try to change our local culture to their way of life.

  With a little more spandex and day-glo pink this place could be totally
awesome dude.

-- 
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* Dave                          *               The Alpinist               *
* alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com *            DARE to be stoopid!           *
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Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:39:24 GMT

In article <9356@wrgate.wr.tek.com>, peterk@fury.wr.tek.com (Peter Krystad) writes:
|> 
|> Seattle has reasonable building codes, now. Not anything like California's, 
|> mind you. The old buildings are just that. Look at what happened in San
|> Fransisco. Seventy percent of Seattle will crash to the ground with the first
|> shot over 6.0.

Turns out that the damage in San Fransisco was due to a couple of other
reasons than building codes. Originally, the fault was due to the buildings
being built on some rather soft land (landfill I beleive). However, a
great deal of the bayside development is on similar land and it suffered
no great ill effects closer to the epicenter, which was was 70 miles away.

I was watching something over the weekend that claimed they have recently
determined that the effect was from shockwaves heading down thru the
earth to the more solid rock several miles below, then bouncing off the
rock and back up to the underside of the bay. This effect has greatly
increased the danger zone around faults to as much as 100 miles plus.

Hmmm.
-- 
-Kevin L. Gross          klg@statsci.com           Disclaim THIS: 

  "This doggerel that flows from my pen, has just been written by
   another twenty telepathic men...that's the spirit of the age."
Xref: sparky pnw.general:647 rec.travel:5598
From: ericfw@hardy.u.washington.edu (Eric F.)
Newsgroups: pnw.general,rec.travel,uw.general
Subject: Re: anyone know about the Pacific Crest Trail?
Keywords: what can you tell me?
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:07:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr17.060703.18719
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr17.003107.24919@polari.com> bruceki@polari.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.231128.24650@u.washington.edu> badcheck@hardy.u.washington.edu writes:
>>I'm looking for info on something called the Pacific Crest Trail.
>>I think it runs from WA to CA, but I'm not sure.  Has anyone hiked
>>it, heard of it, or know where I can get info on it?
>>thanks,
>>craig
>
>  It's easiest to hike from british
>columbia to California because it's all
>downhill. 
Unless, of course, you are from Australia or New Zealand, or you are
left handed. In that case, the reverse is true. 
=Eric
Just another restatement of the obvious......
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417)
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Organization: Cores 'R Us
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:23:17 GMT

In article <56995@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>> Really, now.  Your posting seems a little arrogant to me.  Here you come
>> along, wanting to study in an occupation which already has far too many
>> practitioners, displaying your lack of ecological consciousness, apparently
>> unaware of heavy influx of Californians to the PNW, etc., etc.
>
>Are you ecologically perfect?

I try to be aware of the implications of everything I do.  Software is not
the only thing that has ripple effects.

>                               I'm very ecologically conscious.  However,
>my irrational dislike of small things that eat my books activates a lower
>area of my brain, and I nuke 'em.  I am careful to use the minimum amount
>of "Raid" necessary -- and then only when I feel that swatting won't work.
>:-)

Well, it's *your* living space, and you are likely to feel the effects of
that practice long before I do, or the bugs.  You are the one with the lease,
and if you spray your apartment with some chemical, you are still going to
have to live there, breathing the vapors, outgassings and decomposition
products of the insecticide.  The critters just go elsewhere, departing the
site, which you can't very well do.  If you are plagued with creatures that
eat your books, you have a problem which Raid won't fix without making
where you live seriously uninhabitable for humans, too.

Remember Shell No-Pest Strips?  A truly *nasty* product, the active
ingredients of which proved hazardous when ingested over the long term.

>And where do you get this idea that there are too many lawyers?  Seriously,
>I almost started my personal statement for my law school applications with
>
>	"I want to be a lawyer because there aren't enough lawyers in
>	 this country."
>
>Are you telling me that the *are* enough lawyers?
>
>							Tim SMith

I don't think there are *near enough comedians*.  Are you telling me you
are a comedian? :)

kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: hnoble@polari.com
Subject: FREEWAY HALL CASE Privacy Trial Starts April 13
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:29:56 GMT

After Eight Years, the Freeway Hall Case is Going to Trial Beginning
	Monday, April 13 9:00 am before Judge Ramerman
	Room W-312, King County Superior Court
	Third & James, Downtown Seattle

	More Information: Karrie Peterson 722-2453
Summary:
	In 1984, A dropout from the Freedom Socialist Party sued the
Party and nine local activists with smear charges he'd been unfairly manipulatedinto contributing to a party eviction fund.
	His politically motivated harassment suit against his former
colleagues is a battleground for the right to organize free from interference.
	Richard Snedigar contends that he should get his money back--with
interest--because the FSP did not buy a hall as fast as he wanted.  Using
redbaiting and vicious attacks on the feminist leadership of FSP, he's
asking the court to override the democratic decisions made by the group
when it coped with an eviction from it's home of 12 years.
	Snedigar and his attorneys have dragged out their groundless lawsuit
for 8 years by demanding the party name members and turn over private 
meeting minutes.  Refusing on constitutional grounds, the socialists risked
jail, fines, and losing the case by default to protect movement records.
In February of 1990, the Washington State Supreme Court ruled in favor
of confidentiality and stopped Snedigar's fishing exxpedition for now.
	Scores of labor and progressive groups have endorsed this fight.

Henry
polari!hnoble@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:13:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Apr13.201319.6144
Distribution: na
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <1992Apr11.234939.10974@polari.com> mzenier@polari.com writes:
>In article <70852@bcsaic.UUCP> vanover@bcsaic.UUCP (Jann VanOver) writes:
>>Excuse me?  How long have YOU been in Seattle?  Didn't you know that
>>Jaywalking has ALWAYS been a Seattle pastime?  We're known for it around
>>the world!  Have been for decades!
>
>Bullshit.
>
>Back in the '60s, Newsweek published a chart showing the number of
>jaywalking tickets issued for various cities.  Seattle had many
>(about 3 times as I remember it) more tickets per year than 
>New York City.  (That would make a ratio of about 25 to 1, per capita.)
>
>You didn't jaywalk back then unless 1) you wanted to get run over 
>and/or 2) you wanted to spend Saturday morning in Traffic School
>watching gory films.
>
>As a local, I take great delight in glaring at prospective jaywalkers 
>at downtown traffic lights.  (If you're good at this, you can get them
>to hop back up on the curb.)
>

What is this drivel?  Why do you honestly care if someone decides to
risk getting a ticket (assuming that's all they're truly risking) by
jaywalking?  And why is it important that people in Seattle do or don't
jaywalk?

And what I remember from back in the '60s was that we all used to
jaywalk all we wanted; and park on sidestreets pointed the wrong direction;
and many other "small town" behaviors.  And then times started catching
up and some of those activities were discouraged.  I always thought
the jaywalking stuff was just an easy way a few cops in the U District
filled their quotas (if they really have quotas which I pretty much doubt
but it does make good conspiracy copy).

I am a little surprised that people would blame bad driving on
Californians.  In my experience Seattle area drivers are among the
country's worst.  I would rather put with Boston's rampant agression
than Seattle's rubbernecking.

Peter B
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:05:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: tc.1992Apr6.200553.1174
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Distribution: pnw
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/

In <56254@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:

>I'm considering attending the University of Washington school of law.
>Could someone tell me a couple of things about Seattle?

Well, we could do with a few less lawyers.

>	1. What is the insect and arachnid life like?  

In a green peppercorn sauce, delicious.

>	2. What are the areas of the city to avoid?  

Malls.  Oh, and combo expresso-and-spandex-leotard stands.

>	3. How strong are the buildings?  You don't have as many earthquakes
>as we do here in California, but you will get a big one someday.  

Think to the future, man!  If we have a good-sized quake, you'll have a
steady stream of clients engaging you for lawsuits.  Stop thinking small!

----

Tom McCall was right....

                           "My motto is: love like a poet, pray like a lawyer."
                                           -- Joe Kogel

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From: dant@logos.wr.tek.com (Dan Tilque)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Our gripe with Californians (was Re: Tell me about Seattle)
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:55:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.9459
Organization: Upper Left Coast Liberation Army

ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>> 2) Desire to change their new community into the one they came from.
>> This includes lobbying for installation of natural gas lines, sewers and
>> water mains.  The last two are especially expensive for their neighbors
>
>Now this is the kind of information I wanted about Seattle.  They sure
>didn't tell me in "Places Rated Almanac" that Seattle doesn't have
>sewers and water mains! :-)

Oh yes.  Most Northwest houses have outhouses (unheated) and
hand-pumped wells.  In winter it's a real bitch to have to go out into
the cold to relieve oneself the first thing in the morning.  And in
summer (you know--those three days in August when the rain gets warm),
the smell does get a bit strong.  But that's a small price to pay to
live in an area that doesn't see the sun for months at a time.

---
Dan Tilque	--	dant@logos.WR.TEK.COM
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:24:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

> we did not say we were open minded about humans.  We were being
> pro-environment (you know, the guys who got mad when you wanted to
> take the water from the Columbia River and pipe it all the way to
> <gasp> CALIFORNIA) and were flaming some pre-lawyer who wanted to make

If everyone in the PNW is so pro-environment, then why is there controversy
over logging?

							Tim Smith
From: vanover@bcsaic.UUCP (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:28:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: bcsaic.70852
Distribution: na
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <9399@wrgate.wr.tek.com> peterk@fury.WR.TEK.COM writes:
>
>Quit worrying. I think people understand that "Californication" has become
>just a label for the recent phenomenom of growth up here. The classic
>symptoms of growth (doubling real-estate prices, traffic congestion, 
>jaywalking) are attached to California because those things happened 
 ==========

>down your way some time ago. 


Excuse me?  How long have YOU been in Seattle?  Didn't you know that
Jaywalking has ALWAYS been a Seattle pastime?  We're known for it around
the world!  Have been for decades!

Jann "The Jaywalker" VanOver
vanover@atc.boeing.com
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: bruceki@polari.com
Subject: Re: Tell me about Seattle
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:16:34 GMT

In article <7590004@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> vernon@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (Vernon King) writes:
>Why the hell are you guys so hostile. It is a free country and this person 
>who asked a question deserves a civil answer. So the guy wants to be a lawyer,

  What you folks from out of the seattle area are missing is that there's
a local folklore that californians aren't welcome and a local newspaper
columnist that started a tongue-in-cheek group named "lesser seattle".
Kurt's and others "negative" post echoed the sentiments that have been
expressed by that group.  Kinda like dave barry, but aimed at folks
from california almost exclusively.  

>so what. I am sure I could find problems with your occupations. If you do not
>like his "Raid" comment than explain to him why his comment upsets you. Yes 
>the movement of people to the northwest causes problems but your comments 
>are rude and not constructive.
>

  You're right.  He should have offered constructive (and visually
interesting) things for lawyers from california to attempt.  That >would<
have improved his posting.  

  Bruce
From: vernon@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (Vernon King)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: progeny limits (was "...toxicity of wood smoke")
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:35:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.7590006
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon, USA

Overpopulation is the root of many of the problems in society today. I find
it hard to believe that people can deny this. Do we have to cover every foot
of land on Earth. When that is full do we fill up the bottom of the sea. We  
well may be able to feed all the people on the Earth but what happens when
some disaster occurs. What are our reserves to cover such a situation. The
answer is virtually none. So we continue onward and onward until some sit-
uation occurs which will happen if it is not happening already. Can you say
African Drought! 

Vernon
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: Re: Our gripe with Californians (was Re: Tell me about Seattle)
Organization: The Core Dump Apperciation Society.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:19:27 GMT

  I have to go along with the previous article. It points out
many problems with them. 
   But there are also people from other that are problematic.
  I have seen that many new building sights clearcut the plot
before building on it, instead of just cutting enough for the house.
Many of the news houses are really big and expensive, much more than
necessary. I now could never afford to buy my own house because of the
expidential (sp?) rise in house prices over the last 10 years. if the 
prices stayed with inflation  like it seemed to for many years ago, then
perhaps I could.
  I have seen a mass of buldings go up along I-90 from M.I. to Issaquah,
the skyport and junpzone are gone, and Bellevue has many tall
buildings. There are plnas to destroy the Snoqualmie Falls and area with
2000+ houses, new generators and a golf coarse at the site.
   Our local banks are being bought up by distant banks.
  Trying to drive to Lynwood, Kent or Seattle has become awfull for
several hours a day. There have been problems with water quality and
levels, the air is getting thick with fumes and smells.
   It is worring me. 
  I beleive, also, that the xenophobic feelings will grow as more
people move in from california and other states, and this will bring 
conflict.

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