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From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.192902.19339@tamsun.tamu.edu>, cailm@cs.tamu.edu (Liming Cai) writes...
>In article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu> jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu) writes:
>>
>>  In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
>>somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
>>then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
>>of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
>>here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after April 11, 1990.
>>I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
>>would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
>>protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
>>We should report our situation to IFCSS.
>>
>>-Jianxiong Zhu
>>Syracuse University
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
>Why do you need to be protected?
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> 
Very very good question !! Why do you need to be protected? What are you?
Endangered speices? All of you who are looking for the "protection", if you
can not stand on your own feet without somebody else's "protection", you
doom to fail.
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Subject: Re: Sources on Tibet
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:08:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.195414.8260@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>	There has been a lot of discussion on Tibet, but except for Joe
>Wang's excerpt, very little citing of sources. I would very much like
>to compile a list of books and articles on Tibet. I invite *EVERYONE* to
>send me the names of books and articles which they think contain mostly
>truth on the recent history of Tibet. 
>
>	I welcome sources in any language.
>
>	I especially welcome contributions from the following netters:
>
>	Yang Ze
>	Shi Chunde
>	Brian Lin
>
>	Thanks a lot. I'll be glad to forward a copy of the list to anyone
>who asks for it.
>
>Mark Libucha (mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
>


  I'm quite shocked to see my name on the Mr. Libucha's list.  The only
discussion we had is on Leifeng's story if my memory serves me right. 
However, I do have some interest in this subject, and since you ask, I will
list some of the sources I know.  There must be about 200 books
on this subject between my collection of books on CD_ROM and the public
libraries I have access to ( my school library, Chicago public libraries
including Chicago Chinatown Library).  Here are a list of books I have either
read or glanced through:

  Tibetan empire in central Asia
  Tibet, past and present
  The changing face of Tibet         by  Karan P.
  Tibet transformed                  by  Woodcock, G.
  The Tibet symbolic world           by  Paul, R
  Status of Tibet                    by  Walt Van Pragg, M.
  The New Tibet (Chinese)
  The sun over Tibet highland (Chinese)
  
Some of the titles may not be entirely correct (espacially the Chinese ones, I
translated them myselves).  But I think most of them should be available if
you look hard enough.

  Brian  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Yong K Huang <yhuang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Need help to identify news group
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:51:31 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Is there anybody out there who can help me get the news group for the alumni of
Dalian Institute of Technology which was renamed as Dalian University of 
Science and Technology? I graduated from DIT in 1982 and came to the U.S. in 
1983. I would be very glad to get touch with some other people from DIT, 
includin scholars, students and other professionals. Thanks in advance for your
help.

Yong Kang Huang
The Ohio State University at Marion
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyang@tacit.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Anyone from Shanghai Shixi (City-West) Middle School?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:29:59 GMT

Hi.  Is there anyone from Shanghai Shixi (City-West) Middle School on the
net?  I graduated from that school 1987 and came to U.S early 1988.  I
don't know if there are any other classmates coming to U.S....  If you can
read this message.  Send a message to me!...

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*       Ho capito, signor, si!........                                     *
*                                                                          *
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From: roelle@uars_mag.jhuapl.edu (Curtis Roelle)
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date:  3 Sep 92 18:29:40 GMT

MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com writes:


>Young Chinese comrades on Earth:

>1.- Comrade Liu@NJIT confirms "INTERNET is not a secure network".

>You're absolutely correct.

>2.- Comrade Me Mann@UDenver keeps boastfully saying "it is not
> impossible to trace down" and "it is easy to trace" the oringinator
> of faked messages.

>You really want to have a job with our People's Friendly Police
>Department?  Then why don't you try to trace this Mao?  If you
>find my real identity, then post to SCC.  Otherwise, shut up.
>I assure that you would only catch a ghost sender!!!!

>Mao


This was really quite clever!!!   I love it.  And "red.heaven.com" ..
ha ha ha ... *TOO* funny for words!  

Seriously though, thought Mao was with red.devil.org.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Summary: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: F16
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.215414.8602@jho.com>, john@jho.com (John Ho) writes...
> 
>It is now official.  President Bush was in my backyard Ft. Worth this
>afternoon to announce he authorized to sell Taiwan 150 F-16 which
>worth more than $4 billion dollars and it also saved 3000 jobs in
>Texas.  Bad thing for Bush is that all the General Dynamics workers
>realize that this is a pure political move and the sale probably won't
>help him much in the poll.  
>-- 
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
How about sell 300 F-16 to China? That would be more helpful and
may make more than $8 billion. That would give the US economy a
big boost. Poor George ! 
And Poor Chinese! Mainland is buying weapons from the formor USSR 
while Taiwan is buy weapons from the USA and French. Those guys are 
making money from Chinese while Chinese on both side of the Straight 
is armed to teeth to fight each other so those guys can have fun to 
watch the show.
That is the stage of international politics. People do not spend money
to watch show, rather people earning money to watch show.
Please, can somebody stand up to stop this? 
c.q.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Subject: [Info] Table of Contents, HXWZ #74
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:40:52 GMT

Dear Netters,

	HXWZ is a weekly electronic magazine in the Chinese language
published by China News Digest (CND).

	Due to network technical problem, the current issue has not
reached the subscribers yet. Those who have access to ftp can get the
gb file from ahkcus.org under gb/cnd-cm.

>From: Executive Editor MinQi Bao <cnd-cm@library.uta.edu>

                           Hua Xia Wen Zhai
                        (CND Chinese Magazine)
                              Issue #74
                            August 28, 1992

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1. Prose: Wedding and Father ...............................Wu Guanzhong
2. Story of Musician: Tchaikovsky--Mme Von Meck--Symphonie Pathetique 
                       ........................Henry and Dana Lee Thomas
3. Inside China: Mao Zedong Fever in China .....................Wei Qing
4. Biography:
   Yuan Hongbin with THE TIDE OF HISTORY (Part 2 of 2) ........Shi Liuzi
5. Humors: A Funny Thing Happened to Me 
6. WE (Wo Men): Joining the Youth League ..........................Yu He
7. Recipe: Ma Po Dou Fu
8. Information Exchange: The Regulation of Reexit China Simplified Again
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca (MING HE)
Subject: test
Organization: CS, York Univ., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:21:28 GMT


~~~ 
Ming  He                       / ------ +-+ +--+ "Are you believing that soul 
                              /| |-| |  |-| |--|  lives independently from    
Video: cs101442@sol.Yorku.CA   | |_| |  +-+ |--|  the physical existing?"     
Audio: (416) 669-6427  [H]     |     |      /  |                -- H.M.       
*|-|*|\/|*|-|*|\/|* IMAGING THE UNIVERSE STARTED FROM A DOT *|-|*|\/|*|-|*|\/|*
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:12:35 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1992Aug27.190800.1373@tamsun.tamu.edu>, x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug26.201421.8145@u.washington.edu> liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug22.180429.279@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> >>Does everybody notice those "sad topics" were mostly originated from
|> >>people with non-chinese names? Does everybody notice Westen media,
|> >>newspaper, TV, radio, etc are flooded with "bad" "news" about China?
|> >>Are we microscoped by Westeners? Why are they have a hypocratical views
|> >>any thing rlelated to China? What are their intensions?
|> >
|> >
|> >Western media usually reports 'bad' news, even to their own society. If you
|> >compare how the TV news are broadcasted here and CCTV, it is obvious. CCTV
|> >reports the 'good' news mostly, like how the harvest is, who is brave enough
|> >to fight a bank robber for 10000 Yuan ect, here you mostly get how many
|> >people got shot and how bad the street is, how bad the economy is ect. In 
|> >China before I came to the States, I had never seen anything saying that
|> >the economy was bad, even during the Cultural Revolution. 
|> >
|> >So I don't know whether the western media is biasly reporting China on purpose
|> >or it is just their philosophy. Not very long ago, CCTV always told us how bad
|> >the Western countries were and how wonderful our country was. Don't you think
|> >that is also a hypocratical view?
|> You may be right about CCTV, but you are wrong about Western media,
|> Example: When China failed to launch a Australian satllite, they
|> reported, the next time when it was successfully launched, none of the
|> major U.S. evening news mentioned it. When it's about China, they
|> always report it in a critical way, about the west, its more or less
|> objective. I guess China has nothing to do in terms of their ratings.
|> If any, reporting bad things about China probably benefits their
|> ratings because Chinese government is bad, and everything is bad.
|> How funny!

Perhaps the failing of sending a satellite has more news value than one is
successful, most of the time is successful anyway, what's new??

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 05:37:14 GMT

In article <9224512.27022@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>Hey, guys and girls,
>
>I think we have side-tracked.  My original post was a list of suggestions
>on how to help China grow into a stronger superpower.
>
>Then, people started flaming... and the discussion ended up another Tibet
>debate.

But you have failed to substantiate that incorporating Tibet into China will
make China a stronger power.
>
>Can people please post suggestions to the question "Ways to help China
>grow into a stronger superpower".. please???

Not interested.  I am not interested in making China, or any nation, a
superpower.  That will bring that country uncontested leverage elsewhere in
the world, and create problems for other nations.
>
>Chinese people have been a grain of sand for the past x000 years... today
>(and yesterday), I start to see what it means.....
>
>stop flaming each other.... think practically please, for Chinese's sake!

Hmmm.  You start making unsubstantiated points, and then expect people to
accept them without questioning?
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Re; Mao
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:59:13 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <BtvI86.66w@multisys.com> rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan) writes:
>In article <2A9EE582.11377@orion.oac.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>=usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) wrote:
>=+
>=+
>=+What a slave! He could not live without a master! Many slaves fought for  
>=+freedom in the past, but this slave is begging for master!!
>=+
>=+Carl
>=
>=	Homeless dog's search for step-father is worse than a normal person's
>=	"master" search, based on the assumption that your logic is logical.
>=
>=	shannon
>=	-------
>=
>
>The problem of your dogs are they are always searching for a
>step-father or a master. Why can't your dogs be free dog?
>Why you need a master?
>A homeless free dog is much much better than a slave dog. :-)
>
>Those arguments above all base upon you guys' presumptions.
>
>Cuz I would rather be a free man, then be a dog or even
>worse be a slave dog.

   
        Dear Mr. ROT:

       First let me point out a serious English error:
 in your last paragraph, the "then" should be "than",
 right?
       Then I see you want to be a "free" dog for the
 independence of Taiwan. Ok, It's enough, my Han brother!
 There is already Tibet independent conflicts here.
 Oh, my poor China, somebody are splitting you!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: gt9414b@ferrari.uucp (Wing-Cheong William Man)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Keywords: hello
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:12:58 GMT

In article <9224412.19004@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>deng%mao.cs.tsinghua.cn@darmstadt.dbp.de (Deng Zekun) writes:
>
[... stuff deleted ...]

>1)  PLEASE change XiZang (Tibet) Autonomous Region into a Province, I'm really
>getting sick of people (Westerners) claiming that XiZang should be independant
>and all the rest.  Change it into a Province, solve the matter in one go, and
>shut everyone's mouth up!

Can it solve the problem?
>
[... stuff deleted ...]

>of Northern China.  WHY is China still using those old trains?  If China
>changes their trains to the kind that HongKong MTR and Railway are using,
>things will be much more efficient, and productivity will certainly grow
>even faster.

It takes time to develop. It may not be economically optimal to use new
technology. BTW, I don't think MTR or KCR trains are suitable to 
transport coal.
>
>4)  I read an article talking about how dirty China is.  People throw
>rubbish everywhere, split everywhere... why not try some social engineering,
>to educate people to throw rubbish into rubbish bins?

Is there such a kind of engineering? Or do you mean education?
>

[... stuff deleted ...]
>6)  Following up to 1 and 2, please re-claim Mongolia and parts of
>NW China (which was given to Russia after the Sino-Russian War).  It
>is China's proud to re-unite a Greater China, and re-claim former
>teritories.  For that matter, help Taiwan to pressure Japan to return
>Liou Qiou Islands (North of Taiwan)... The Japanese should've returned
>them in Aug 1945.. why didn't China claim them then, I don't know!

Following the same mentality, we should let XiZang, XinJiang to be 
independent and let NeiMeng (Inner Mongolia) to reunion with Mongolia
to become an independent state. All these territories were originally
independent but annexed by the Qing Empire about 200 years before.
>
>The reason I wanted China to grow is because I was born in HKG and
>am now an Australian citizen.  I am getting really sick of Australians
>putting down Asian cultures.  Also, I like China to catch up with
>HKG and Taiwan in terms of economy... that will make re-unification
>much easier.

I would rather like Chinese people to live happily and peacefully.
>
>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."

Man (not me alone!) can stop them!

William Man
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Protection Bill
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:45:00 GMT


Here is some thought about the protection bill:

Suppose it is passed and signed by the president. Suppose you get the
green card. As several netter pointed out earlier, you believe that CCP
will treat you better and you believe that you could easily come back to 
the US in case of any trouble. So yuo go back to China to promote the
reform and democracy there. One day, there is some people on the street
protest/demonstrate or doing whatever you like. And then you are going 
to joint them. Also you want your friends, collegues and your students
to go with you. Suppose that I am one of them and I am a normal student
never get a chance come to the US and get a green card, What would be 
in my mind if you ask me to fight for freedom and democracy? Yeh, you
have the freedom to go back the United States when you get into trouble.
(even this may not be absolutely true) How about me? I guess the only 
freedom I would have is to go to the jail.

I think the first impact the protection bill will have to China is
effectivelly isolate the Chinese students here from the mass majoriity
people back home. BTW, a lot of CCP's benificiary policy towards
returning CSS has the same effect too.

So, for those of you who believe that the Protection Bill will really
help the democracy in China, think that twice.

c.q.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese/Japanese Word Processor
Keywords: word processor
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:02:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug28.025531.15978@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> li@ibis.iamp.tohoku.ac.jp writes:
>
>As title suggests, do you think a word processor with dual capability of
>writing both Chinese Charaters and Japanese (Kanji or Kana) exist? Thanks
>for response.
>						Hongjie Li

Have you tried CEDIT24?

Anonymous login to cs.pitt.edu, and get file pub/incoming/cedit24.zip.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:18:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.161314.14371@wuecl.wustl.edu> yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung  
Liu) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.151313.19320@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug25.193549.2086@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >>To marry each other. Most of them surrendered. One monk jumped off a cliff  
and  
> So were the oldest son of Deng except he was luckY. 
> tHEre much more HAN people die and suffer
> from the culture revolutioN. Using a bad example like these is not going
> to make youself not to be a racist. Why not spend more on REducing your own
> discrimination against blacks and minorities instead of "CREATING" more
> problem all over the world to "MAKE" your own behavor to be "NORMAL".
> You don't have to say you are the "BEST" in the world.
> 

So, what's your point. I guess you just jump in to the middle. Please read my  
previous posts first. Also, I am a Han myself and obviously you are new to the  
net. 

By the way, how do you know I have discrimination against blacks and  
minorities? You obviously thought I was a white, but I am a Chinese. Now I  
finally realize why after people like Mark Libucha send their posts, there are  
always so many attacks no matter what their opinions are.  I think the reason  
is that some CSS have hostile attitude toward Americans. When we want Americans  
to understand our culture, we should also try yo understand theirs too.

Your example about Deng's son actually supports my point. China is a lawless  
country and some people can become as crazy as wild dogs under certain  
circumstance. Since Han people treat Han people in this brutal way, you can  
imagine how bad they treat Tibetans.

Carl

> 
> >>died.
> >>
> >>The incident I mentioned above might just be and isolated event. The point  
here  
> >>is when we are accusing somebody of being brainwashed, have we ever thought  
> >>that we might also be brainwashed.
> >>
> >>Carl
> >>
>