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From: dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Keywords: In your court
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:29:33 GMT
Reply-To: dnd@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK


>>  Anti-fishing will be coming to your town soon. Like Bob says...
>>COUNT ON IT.
>
It is already prevalent in europe. Note, that in many european countries (notably
Germany) it is now illegal to catch and return because of laws passed after
pressure from the Green Party in those countries. The situation is becoming very
blurred as europe converges towards unified EEC laws...
Damn shame really, because as a member of Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth
who do a whole lot of good, viz ecological awareness etc, I have to pull out
and take a Anti-Green line because i fish (a lot)..and i am not going to give it
up after 30+ years!
The hunt saboteurs i do not have any argument with while they concentrate on
fox/deer hunting etc. But the animal rights people who go on bombing campaigns is
something bizarre- an anti-vivesectionist blowing up living animals (humans
included).
The anti-fishing broigade seem to fluctuate in their campaigns.
One of the best ant-anti weapons we have is that the Friends of the Earth have
joined ranks with the ACA (Anglers Cooperative Association - pollution fighters)
and NASA (National Association Of Specimen Anglers - big fish anglers) to draw
up a water charter and pressurise water companies, water users and the government
to act in a more ecologically sound manner.
The way things are going, the only way to keep your fishing together is to get
involved (in however a small way) with these sort of organisations. One of the aims
is to make pepole aware of the side-benefits of angling. 
Are there similar sort of activities in the states?

dr doom the optimist
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering)
Subject: Words to Bill Dance song
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:57:13 GMT

Well, I think I can get close . . .


Well the sun's just starting to rise up over the tree tops
And it's gonna be a beautiful day, that's plain to see
But I won't be around at all
So don't even bother to call
'Cause on a day like today there's someplace I've got to be
Gone fishin . . .

Now the car needs washin'
The roof has a leak
My income tax was due last week
But I don't care cause I'm gone fishin' today
I'm goin' fishin' with Bill Dance today


I think there's another verse that's generally covered up by the
announcer spouting off about Bill's sponsers (you know, Strike King,
Stren, Wallmart, Zebco, Motorguide, and Procraft).  You can't tell
that I like watching fishing shows, can you?  



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    |\\__/(((((((((((O(\    Kevin (the Piscatoral Vacuum Cleaner) Siefering
    |- __((((((((|\((((<O   
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From: ns05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nick Stratigos)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Magazines
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:08:18 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm a new fisherman.  My wife bought me a rod and reel for my birthday. 
I have yet to catch a fish.  I think the rod is defective.

Her sister has promised me a subscription to a fishing magazine.  But I
don't know any.  Can you suggest your favorite so I can choose?

Thanks.

Mostly, I fish in the rivers aroud Pittsburgh and in some lakes up
around Franklin, PA.

Nick "I won't stop 'til I catch a fish"
From: brown@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Pat R. Brown)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:35:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Fly Rod Building
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

If I had to pick one fly rod it would be a Sage 6 weight 9 foot in the 
original series (before RP). But I was wise enough to buy several before
I married. 

If the wind is low and the flies are small, I use a Powell 3-4 weight

If the place reqiures a trip, I use a Sage 5 weight 8.25 foot 4 piece (also
original series. 

If the fish is a pike, I use a 9 weight 9 foot I built on a Kennedy blank

etc. 

I have never broken a rod, but have heard of many good experiences with 
Sage replacing at little or more often no cost a tip broken for any reason. 

Have Fun, Pat

Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: scott@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Larry Scott)
Subject: Re: Bill Dance Outdoors
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:48:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.190602.13655@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>Anyone know the words to the "Bill Dance Outdoors" theme song?
>
>Ya know....
>
>"When the sun, came up this morning,
>I took the time to watch it rise...."
>
>And who sang it?  Jerry Reed?
>Enquiring (idle) minds wanna know....

	Indeed, I have a Jerry Reed album that has this song on it! Good
album!!

	Larry
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry A Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re:Fishing Magazines
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:56:30 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1687E7FC7.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>The 'In Fisherman' is one of the best you will find.
> 

	THis all depends on your point of view of course.  In Fisherman is
	great for walleye and bass, but poor for trout and salmon/steelhead
	coverage, which is what I like to do.  My solution is to subscribe 
	to at least half a dozen so I end up doing things like using 
	spinner baits for steelhead :*).

	Salmon, Trout, Steelheader is a good all around mag for those 
	species in the Pacific NW, Alaska, and sometimes some strange articles
	from Chile and Argentina.  Its companion mag, Flyfishing, is great for
	flyfishing those same species along with patterns, technique, 
	equip. etc. for the fly angler.  I also get the N. American Fishing
	Club mag. and read others on occasion.

	Terry


--
Terry Turner		   If people paid more attention to the really
terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com  important things in life, there would be a serious
503-627-5630               shortage of fishing poles.
From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: LCR 3D depth finders???
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:45:40 GMT

In article <1beqfeINNg9p@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield) writes:
|>  Any one out there have a Hummingbird LCR 3D depth/fish finder?
I don't have the same model or manufacturer, but have 
had some similar problems.  Most of which can be avoided 
by manually operating the LCR.

|> Problem:
|> 
|>          It finds fish every where!! (I wish). When I have it in 2D mode
|> the screen shows a million dots all over the screen at all different depths.
|> In 2D mode all it ever shows is the million dots and never a fish (big dot).
|> If the unit was operating correctly the dots would indicate bait fish but there
|> just aren't a million bait fish in every part of the lake.
Try experimenting with power level and discrimination 
threshold level.


|>  Also in 3D mode It some times shows big triangles on the screen and
|> can't find the bottom. It say's 1 foot and then 99 feet and back to 1 foot
|> over and over again. 
When my LCR has trouble finding the bottom (which usually occurs 
when the water is very shallow such as 4ft or less
and multiple bounces between the 
boat and bottom are a problem) I turn off the fish ID. mode, put 
the thing in manual then place it in the correct depth range and 
turn the power down till I get bottom lock.

|> I tried rerouting the transducer cable to make sure
|> it wasn't by any other cables. The transducer is mounted on the back of the
|> boat about 1/8" below the hall.
sounds about right, does anything change if you unmount the 
transducer and hold it deeper?

|> Anyone else have a completely  working 3D model?
|> 

Hard to know if yours is defective...

			-Pat.


Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering)
Subject: Bassmasters
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:03:32 GMT


I started up a membership in Bassmasters several months ago, and
have been pretty happy with the magazine.  I believe the subscription
cost me $24 for TWO years, but I didn't get any free gifts.  On TV
they advertize a 1 year membership for $15, but you get some free
lures and line.  

Kevin
From: stupak@ogicse.ogi.edu (Michael Stupak)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Steelhead
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:27:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.44100
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1bh9a9INN5a2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ecg@po.CWRU.Edu (Edward C. Goodwin) writes:
>
>	This is my first year fishing for steelhead in Lake Erie but
.
.
.
>(seemingly tired out, Ha) they did a 180 powerdive and POW went my Trilene
>XL.

That can be a big problem.  A few months ago 2 buddies and I were out
steelheading.  I and one other had Maxima while the other had Trilene
of the same weight.  The other guy with Maxima caught one, I got two
while the guy with Trilene lost SEVERAL due to breaking line.  While
differences such as poles, knots, etc. effect this as well...I'll stick
with my Maxima.

-- 
Mike Stupak
stupak@cse.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jlautr01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Destination Destin, Florida (Help)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:39:22 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

As the subject line stated I am on my way to Destin Florida.  I will be there
from 17 October thru the 23rd of October.  Having never fished in the salt I am
looking for advice.  I have been told there will be good fishing from the
piers/jetties and bay this time of year.  As my wife and three  small childern
will be accompanying me, I plan to do most of my fishing at night from the
piers and jetties.  Is this a good time of the year to night fish, what speices
can I plan on being there, what are the recommanded baits and tackle?

Thanks in Advance

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      Fishy, fishy, in the brook, come and bite my little hook.
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      Joseph L. Autry Jr. a.k.a. Izaak Walton
      Systems Programmer
      University Of Louisville
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Walleye
From: <SEC107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:42:50 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

      I live in Erie Pa right on the lake. We troll in the lake
in water depths of 50-120 ft. We use deep diving Bagleys with 2 oz.
of lead attached to a leader. Chrome blue and chrome green are best
catchers. Walleye fishing wasn't very hot this summer but there
is always next year.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: william@pilikia.pegasus.com (William Kwok)
Subject: protecting rods
Organization: Pilikia, Honolulu
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 09:07:24 GMT


I would like to protect my fishing rods from the elements (primarily sun and
salt water) and hope to extend the useful life of the rods.
I'm thinking of waxing the rod  with car wax or spraying the
rod and guides with a thin coating of silicone or other protectant.
Opinions?  Suggestions?
   
-- 
William Kwok
Internet: william@pilikia.pegasus.com
UUCP: ...uunet!ucsd!nosc!pilikia!william
Honolulu, Hawaii, USA, Earth
From: sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Walleye
Date: 12 Oct 1992 21:24:29 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

In article <9210071929.AA03885@sarse.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> mrein3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Matt Rein #3) writes:
>> 
>> Are there any walleye  fishermen (or ladies) out there?
>> If there are what are your favorite lakes and techniques?
>> 
>all time favorites:
>  Mille Lacs, drifting Lindy/Roach Rigs with a big fat leach.
>  "A lake north of Park Rapids and south of the Canadian border"
>   jigging a Fuzzy Grub or a Fire-Ball and a leach or minnow.
>  Anywhere in the BWCA, jigs.
>
>current favorite:
>  A lake NE of the Twin Cities on weeknights when nobody else is around
>   using both of the above methods.
>

This sounds a bit more to my liking as well, even though I live by Lake
Michigan.  Perhaps it is due to the fact that I am still a Minnesot'n at
heart.  While I have practiced the above methods, as well as trolled, on
Lake Pepin (MN/WI border, that way I can fish with my in-laws and none of us
have to get a nonresident license) I often will cast structure and weedbeds
with crankbaits, usually Shad Raps and Wally Divers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jay A. DeSart                           "I speak. . .not with any sense of
Dept of Political Science            futility, but with a panicky conviction
Bolton 617a  UW-Milwaukee            of the absolute meaninglessness of
(414) 229-4484                       existence which could easily be
				     misinterpreted as pessimism."
                                                             Woody Allen

. . . And several butcher's aprons.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: protecting rods
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:46:32 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1687A67AD.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>Some things may give off an offensive odor to fish.  You may just have to
>several types of wax or coatings.  I have used armorall and silicone spray
>on my rods without any noticeable effect on catching fish.  In fact silicone
>spray works great on monofiliment line to keep it a little less tangle free
>and from freezing up in cold weather.
  
How about trying WD-40?  Many claim that it is an fish attractant as well.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Steelhead
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:35:03 GMT

When we troll Lake Erie for walleye we will occasionally catch a steelhead.
This is mostly by accident because we don't know what to do that would
increase our chances of catching steelhead. (Love their fight)
What would we do to fish specifically for steelhead in Lake Erie?
I know it is totally different in large open waters then streams.
The area we fish is close to the Ohio/PA line. The water depth varies
to about 80 feet max.
Thanks for any info.
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Fishing Store in San Jose/SF Info Wanted	
Keywords: info tackle
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:22:25 GMT

I will be down for a Conference in San Jose in December and was 
wondering if there are any resonably priced fishing/tackle store 
around San Jose/SF area. I am looking for lures, reels, rods, and
possibly rod blanks. Because I live in Canada, price for some of 
these items are far fetched up here.

-- 
Richard Park	
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Walleye
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:03:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci
Keywords: Walleye fishing, weightbait

Well, the walleye fishing is pretty bad in northern Colorado, although
we did set a state record here in town last spring at Horsetooth
Reservoir. Because of this, I was wondering if anyone knows any inof
about the lakes in Wyoming for walleye. I've heard they can be excellent!

Pat Fitzpatrick
From: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Depth finder (BAD MODEL)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:42:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: stripes@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Butterfield)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com



 I'm hearing that the Hummingbird LCR 3D depth/fish finder has some 
apparent problems with its performance and has bugs. Does anyone having
one that is working in both 3D and 2D modes??? If not I strongly
recommend NOT buying this model.

 
-Greg


In article <1beqfeINNg9p@male.EBay.Sun.COM> you write:
>
>Anglers,
>
> Any one out there have a Hummingbird LCR 3D depth/fish finder?
>I'm have trouble getting correct readings, and hope some other owners
>of the 3D model can give me some troubleshooting tips.
>
>Problem:
>
>         It finds fish every where!! (I wish). When I have it in 2D mode
>the screen shows a million dots all over the screen at all different depths.
>In 2D mode all it ever shows is the million dots and never a fish (big dot).
>If the unit was operating correctly the dots would indicate bait fish but there>just aren't a million bait fish in every part of the lake.
>
> In 3D mode it finds a lot of fish also, but instead of dots it shows the fish >symbol. Also in 3D mode It some times shows big triangles on the screen and
>can't find the bottom. It say's 1 foot and then 99 feet and back to 1 foot
>over and over again. 
>
> All these readings are while the boat is off OR running. I turned every thing
>else off in the boat but the depth finder. I also tried putting the screen
>in different locations. I tried rerouting the transducer cable to make sure
>it wasn't by any other cables. The transducer is mounted on the back of the
>boat about 1/8" below the hall.
>
>Anyone else have similar problem or anyone else have a completely 
>working 3D model?
>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bsmith@serverx.osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: Re: A bad day fishing...
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:56:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.174801.27946@unixland.natick.ma.us> bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
>
>In defense of Cape Cod fishing, it has been *outstanding* this year in
>my opinion. The problem is that unless you are able to put in a lot of
>time finding where and when to fish (or find some old-timer who's
>willing to divulge the info), the odds are that you aren't going to be
>successful. Of course, this is true of any place. I agree that
>groundfishing isn't what it used to be, and this is true all up and
>down the East Coast, but striped bass and bluefishing is the best it's
>been in years. BTW Boston Harbor is getting noticeably cleaner lately,
>due to the MWRA project. Now, if we can only keep those sewer rates
>down :-(...
>

The groundfishing (cod, pollock, flounder, fluke, tautog, and sea bass for
this inshore fisherman) has certainly dropped off. These are the species I
would prefer to catch. It's probably no coincidence that they are non-migratory,
as opposed to the migratory blues and stripers now fairly abundant.

I don't know whether I'd say bluefishing is the best it's been in years,
although it seemed a decent enough year for it. Stripers are improving; in fact,
I've caught more of them in the last two years than the ten years before that.
Hmmm...maybe that says something about me, and not the fish! Most of them are
sub-legal, though. I find it paradoxical that the stripers I'd want to eat,
I have to throw back, while the bigger ones, which no doubt contain more
toxic stuff, I can keep for food. 

I think it may be true that the Boston Harbor water is getting a bit better.
I recently fished at a spot I hadn't gone to in a while (on the outer fringe
of the harbor). The water *did* look better, and I caught a two-foot-or-so
striper. No flounder, though, which I used to catch there often.

Bruce Smith
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Waders Repair
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:52:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

My trusty Red Ball light-weight (coated nylon?) waders have finally
split a seam, after several years use.  The split is only about half
an inch.  Anybody know how to fix this?  I thought of just gluing
it with the glue they supplied with the waders for applying patches,
but that doesn't seem likely to hold.

Thanks,
-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Steelhead
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:53:38 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

Steve Rimar Writes:
>From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
>Subject: Steelhead
>When we troll Lake Erie for walleye we will occasionally catch a
steelhead.
>This is mostly by accident because we don't know what to do that would
>increase our chances of catching steelhead. (Love their fight)
>What would we do to fish specifically for steelhead in Lake Erie?
>I know it is totally different in large open waters then streams.
>The area we fish is close to the Ohio/PA line. The water depth varies
>to about 80 feet max.
>Thanks for any info.

Kill all of the Walleye, then you'll catch more steelhead.
The problem in Lake Erie is the tremendous number of Walleye in the lake
decimate the Steelhead Fry.
This does not happen in Lakes Michigan, Huron or Superior, therefore
plenty of
steelhead are available.  Lake St. Clair is very shallow relative to the
rest,
and is not a good comparison, however, many walleyes again mean few
steelhead.
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
From: russell@ukcsd.uk.sun.com (Russell Bentley - Sun UK - Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing Store in San Jose/SF Info Wanted
Date: 9 Oct 1992 08:21:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Russell.Bentley@UK.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: skid.uk.sun.com

I posted earlier about a store that Fred Templin told me about, but I
lost the address.  Well, I found Fred's mail...



Don't know if you'll see this, as I'm posting it during the week you'll
be in San Francisco, but I'm partial to a shop in Larkspur called
Selective Anglers.  It's located in a shopping plaza called Larkspur
Landing on Sir Francis Drake Blvd. in Larkspur. (Cross the Golden Gate
Bridge and continue up Rte. 101 North 'till you get to the Sir Francis
Drake exit in Larkspur. Larkspur Landing is about 1 mile down on the
left.) I go there because they have good prices and decent selection,
but mostly because the proprietors (Larry and Julia Kovi) are really
nice people and will bend over backwards to help you find what you're
looking for. If you go, please tell them that you found out about them
from me if you remember...


Fred 
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