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From: h8915726@hkuxb.hku.hk (Chris Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Computers / Software / Training
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:35:19 GMT
Reply-To: h8915726@hkuxa.hku.hk
Organization: The University of Hong Kong
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atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:

	I'll try some, but it only reflects from what I see and know
	which is rather subjective. Please feel free to comment on
	(CU Guys here?)

: 
: Hi,
: 
: I am looking for some information about Hong Kong. If somebody could please send
: me the replies to the following questions, I'd be quite obliged.
: 
: 1) What kind of institutions are there in HK which impart computer related
:    education / training ? What is the medium of instruction ?
: 
	CUHK, HKU, CPHK (City Polytechnic), PolyTechnics, HKUST
	(Hong Kong University of Science and Technolgy) and Baptist
	College. All are offering full-time degree computer courses,
	include computer science, computer engineering, information
	system engineering.

	I *think* the OLI (Opening learning Institute) should be
	offering computer degree in at least 6 year part-time
	course. Various Technical institutes and some courses in
	CPHK and Poly also offer HD (hardisk?, High Dipolma) and 
	Dipolma.

	Medium - English of course...with very few exceptions.

: 2) What are the software companies which operate in HK ?
: 
	Difficult to judge, marjor computer vendors of course
	have their office here, but mostly are distribution
	and marketing I think.

:    What kind of software do they develop ?

	Please ask some expert else, I'm totally not :-(

: 3) What is the software which is used in HK - Wordprocessors, Database, Spreadsheet,
:    Accounting packages, etc.
: 
	All of them, these are just so common and virutally every company
	with computers must use.

: 4) What are the most popular hardware platforms in HK (PC/Mac/SUN/...) ?
: 
	Quite pretty general, I would say IBM mainframes, (includes
	those IBM AS/400, 38), DEC/VAX, SUN, PC, and MAC.

	Of course, the above order does not imply any of % of use
	in strict sense. (I don't know actually)
	
: 5) What is the extent of "computerization" in companies in HK (multinational as well
:    as local) ? At what level is this "computerization" - secretarial/junior mgmt/
:    senior mgmt; professional (eg. accountants,doctors,lawyers) ?
: 

	I'll try to answer Q2 and Q5 later, if I can get more 
	info from my friends.

: 
: I am trying to make a comparative analysis of the proliferation of computers in
: Asia-Pacific regions (HK Singapore & Japan). I have already got info about Singapore
: and Japan, and I'd appreciate any help about HK. 
: 
: Regards 
: 
: Ajit.
: 
: 
: -----------------------------------------------
: Ajit Tulpule
: 
: School of Business
: Carleton University
: Ottawa, Ontario
: Canada K1S 5B6
: 
: email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
: -----------------------------------------------
: 
: 

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Chris Lo
University of Hong Kong
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: About Leon Lai
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:43:04 GMT
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In article <6130128@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
>To judge how good is a singer, just ask them to sing without music. A lot of
>so called good singer lost tune, lost timing completely. Around all HK
>singers, I heard Chui Siu Fung and Roman Tam only. Of American singer,
>Dolly Pattern (sp) can do easily.

Perhaps you haven't been to too many concerts.  I went to a Jacky
Cheung concert about 2 years ago.  In one part, they deliberately
let him sing without any music.  He sings so well and I enjoyed it
very much.
And 4-5 years ago, when I took part in organizing inter-school
concerts, once the guest singer is Hui Chi On.  He was supposed
to sing 2 songs only but we made him sing more.  And there isn't
any music for him.  So he sing without any.  He sings pretty well
too.
Both singers sang without any off-tune though there was no background
music.
From: rkwst+@pitt.edu (Raymond K Wong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Chinese husbands....
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:47:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Chinese husbands are also male chauvinists.  :-)   

Anyway, these stereotypes are real dangeous if you base your decision
on them.  

Ray
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From: cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Set up a business in hk?
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:13:19 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA

Hi netters!

I am a business student studying at Mcgill university in Canada.  I am
wondering if there's any opportunity for undergraduates to set up a
business in hk  before and after 1997. Also, I am not quite aware of the
business trend in hk, so netters, do you have any suggestions in regard to
what kind of business will fresh Canadian undergraduate be able to set up
in hk?

Any suggestions and comments will be highly appreciated.

Best regards,
shirley cheung
From: rpaw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Paw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: [music] Chinese television-soap and Japanese music
Date: 28 Sep 1992 06:06:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Sep27.030517.11034@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>
>     [C^i tiu artikolo estas en Angla lingvo, sed se bezonos, mi faros
>Esperantan tradukon.]
>
>     Not only is there Japanese animation-music in Taiwanese soap
>opera (i.e. continuated television series), but only there is in Hong
>Kong's.  I heard that "Macross", "Laputa" and even "Alpine Rose" (song
>"Rose of Memory" -- simple piano version).  Oh, well, diffusion of
>Japanese culture.
>
>						Daniel Chung

My mon currently watches this one soap on TV that has BGM from Ranma in it.
At first I thought I was going nuts, until I listened more carefully.


-- 
Richard Tse-Woon Paw            Within each man is the most powerful weapon
rpaw@ocf.berkeley.edu                  on Earth.  ---  The human mind
rpaw@ucsee.berkeley.edu          
Choy Lay Fut Kung Fu
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: pretty women, good wives?
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In article 6130126@hpopd.pwd.hp.com, yuk@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Yuk Lun Chan) writes:
> >soc.culture.hongkong / tcheung@cc.uow.edu.au (teresa cheung) / 11:55 am  Sep 28, 1992 /
> 
> Good god, at last we have a woman response to this thread. Welcome.
> 
> The status of woman? Depends on how do you look at it. Do you want a woman
> is treated like a protected animal (sorry, this is the term we used in 
> referring to someone we want to care) or treated as other men. 


Here's a thought. How about treating women as ... people. Not animals,
not men. People.


> In the first case, I believe we, man, should improved our way towards
> woman. First, we mustn't let our wife to work, even we need to have ten
> jobs. We open door for them. We protect them. etc. etc. We brings the best
> food back home even we haven't had a drop of water for ten days. This is
> the way we should treated a woman if we want to own them.

People are not owned. Women have as much right/desire to work as men
(This includes lazy men and women who don't want to).As for "protection",
most men who express the desire to protect women are really trying to
lock the women away so that the women will not realize the bum deal they're
getting. Also, many men who want to "protect" women will see nothing wrong
in slapping them around to "show them their place".
By the way, women are physically and mentally capable of opening doors. I've
seen them do it.


> In the second case, you should expected every competition. Don't expect
> your boyfriend to pay dinner bills. Don't expect he will wait for you if
> you are lated. When rush to take a bus, be awared albows. Prepared to stand
> in a two hours journary on bus in high heels. etc

With my girlfriend and I, sometimes I pay, sometimes she does. Neither one of
us would wait for the other past 30 minutes (We Talked and Agreed on that.
Women can do those things too). In NY, women already have to beware elbows.
And here's a thought. On the two hour bus trip, why don't they wear their
sneakers?


> 
> My commant.
> 
> 

I think one of the main reasons that women stay off this group is that
not many of it's participants have checked their calenders lately.
It is 1992. Not 1892.

My comments.

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memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Absolutely Chinese)
Subject: Re: Stand up girls! Re:Why? Why? Now I am telling you why.
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:51:28 GMT

In article <80795@ut-emx.uucp> shui@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dreamer) writes:
>Hey Girls,
>
>   It is time for us to say something after reading those stupid and narrowed
>mind guys' junk news.
>
>   Why we are always taken as an object by the guys?  We have our right too.
>Listen guys!  We are not as passive as our mothers .  If you think you
>can control your wives or just as her to do favour for you with no return or
>reward, forget it.  
>
>  Love is two ways. Give and take.  Chinese husbands are the most terrible one.
>They are very selfish.  Most of them think their jobs in the family is only
>to bring money home.  Nothing else!  They don't care about their wives feeling
> or their needs.
>
>  If you think you can hind something behind your wife's back, you are wrong.
>Even the most stupid wife will notice what you have been up to.  
>
>  Guys start building up a right attitude to treat female. Otherwise you will besorry.  
>*******************************************************************************
>*                                    | Praise can be your most                *
>*  Teresa-Shui Ching Cheung          | valuable asset as long as you don't    *
>*  e-mail address:                   | aim it at yourself.                    *
>*  shui@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           |                    --- O.A. Battista   *
>*                                    |                                        *
>*******************************************************************************
>  

that's true, chinese husbands are the worst and likewise, chinese wifes are
also the worst. that's why the chinese females i know prefer white guys and the
chinese guys i know prefer white females.
From: pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: On Equality Between Genders
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:52:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvK9wB.CJJ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So) writes:


>  One of my female friends recently have a discussion with me on
>  Gender Equality. She said that both "woman" and "female" are 
                                                   ^^^^^^^^
>  terms derived from "man" and "male" respectively. So she said
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^           ^^^^^^
>  that western culture is male-dorminated culture from its very
>  beginning.

>  Then I told her that in Chinese we have no such derivation: We
>  have "Nam Yan" and "Lui (Nui?) Yan", "Nam Sing" and "Lui Sing"
>  only. So she infered that Chinese culture does better than Western
>  in treating the two genders equally...

>  I have no comment. What do you netters think?

>  Leo.
>--
>  Leo WaiChung So               Internet : leoso@cs.arizona.edu
>  Department of Computer Science    UUCP : uunet!arizona!leoso
>  University of Arizona           Bitnet : leoso%cs.arizona.edu@arizona.bitnet
>  Tucson, AZ 85721, USA     Keep in Mind : "Look ahead, plan ahead, go ahead."


	Wrong.  The word "female" is derived from the Latin "femella", the
	diminutive of "femina", which means "women".  There is no linguistic
	relationship between the words "male" and "female".

						Peter, UIUC
From: cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca (SHING-YAN EDDIE SY LING)
Subject: Re: Looking for fortune-telling program
Originator: cs911364@a06.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:24:46 GMT


In article <1992Sep30.234246.23801@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cfs2b@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chun Fai Szeto) writes:
>> Do anyone know where I can get a Chinese fortune-telling software, such
>> as HKstar, Fate, etc, from FTP sites?  By the way,  Is there a such program
>> be able to run without some Chinese system (ET, Ki Quia, etc)?
>> 
>> Thank in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chun 
>> cfs2b@Virginia.edu

Yes they do have it..... but as i ran it on my PC.... its not that good.  I think that they are stupid.  BTW u have to have ET to support them.

Eddie Ling
cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: h8915726@hkuxb.hku.hk (Loser)
Subject: Re: Results from TVB
Reply-To: h8915726@hkuxa.hku.hk
Organization: who cares
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:01:40 GMT

leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So) writes:
: In article <eln235s.718244191@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> 
: eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr H Hui) writes:
: >
: >91066702@cphkvx.cphk.hk writes:
: >
: >>There are "do-horsely" 12 songs this quarter. As follows:
: >                 	 ^^^^^^^^
: 
:   I remember many years ago (around the time when Alan sang his 
:   insurmountable <Love Trap> on the TVB Solid Gold Annual Award
:   Ceremony), TVB Solid Gold is quite respectable. Now, it simply
:   degenerated into a routine "horse-racing" program no more than
:   a whistle-blowing and screaming contest between different fan 
:   groups.
: 
:   I think this time, they are still using the same excuse that
:   3 songs score the same, right?
: 
	No, in fact, they seldom talks about score or counts, I doubt
	whether they really count the votes. Take it or leave it,
	we have our own judgement or impression whether the songs
	are good or not.

:   What an "undingable" world.
: 
	People call it "life", I call it stupid.

:   leo.
: --
:   Leo WaiChung So               Internet : leoso@cs.arizona.edu
:   Department of Computer Science    UUCP : uunet!arizona!leoso
:   University of Arizona           Bitnet : leoso%cs.arizona.edu@arizona.bitnet
:   Tucson, AZ 85721, USA     Keep in Mind : "Look ahead, plan ahead, go ahead."

--
Chris Lo
University of Hong Kong
H8915726@hkuxa.hku.hk
From: alaw@uucp (Alvin W. Law)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: The best pop singer in HK
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:00:34 GMT
	<1992Sep26.201857.24379@ra.msstate.edu>
	<1992Sep28.201314.1797@oracle.us.oracle.com>
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glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>And the western song that Dat ming copied is "kiss me goodbye".  It
>should be their first LP.  There is one EP before that.  And after
>"Shi Tou qi", there are still ok, but the peak is over.  Don't you
>know what downfall mean?
>

In terms of music, I think Dat Ming's last two albums ("Yee Nan Ping"
and "Sun Ging") were much more mature than their earlier albums,
including "Shek Tao Kai".  They were the only group that showed
improvement during that period (1987 - 1989).  Tai Chi and Beyond
actually went backward in their creativity.


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From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: [song] popular song "Crying Sand"
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:27:25
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
	<1992Sep24.204916.725@eecs.nwu.edu>
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In-reply-to: ystan@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au's message of Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:45:02 GMT


In article <ystan.717950702@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au> ystan@fawlty7.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan) writes:

>    hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
> 
>    >  Do you mean Huang Ying Ying?  I have some songs by her, e.g.
>    >"xue3 zai4 shao1" (snow is burning), "zhi3 you3 fen1 li2" (not
>    >sure how to translate it -- "only alone"?).
> 
> 	 Wait a minute ! I thought Tracy Huang is Huang Lu Yi ...
>    unless she is also known as Huang Ying Ying ... for which I
>    doubt. But I'm pretty sure that the 2 songs that you mentioned
>    come from Huang Lu Yi, and those were back in around the
>    early-mid 80's. And I'm quite sure that "Crying Sand" comes from
>    Huang Ying Ying.

  Right now, I am looking at an album called "zhi3 you3 fen1 li2", by
the musician Huang2 Ying1 Ying1, and it also has her name in English
as simply "Tracy".  I have another album which is a collection of her
songs from 1985-1991, which has "xue3 zai4 shao1" on it.

  I do not know who Huang Lu Yi is, maybe another name for her?  It
seems unlikely that someone else would do 2 of the same songs.  But I
am familiar with very few of the pop stars.

  While we're on the subject, could someone tell me who sings "shui4
ba wo3 de ai4" ("sleep my love")?  I copied the song from a friend of
mine several years ago, and would like to find other music by that
singer.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KAN WA S)
Subject: Re: MADLY IN LOVE WITH HER!!!!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:17:37 GMT

Hey

Good for you, but i would think it's kinda a shock for her to have a stranger
to ask her for a drink. But on the other way, she might really have a
class to go, anyway, i would think it depend on the situation.

Try to like get close to her, talk to her, then dated her or so...........

This is all i can suggest, and you have to carry out the action part. =)
If you still need more suggestion, post more detail, like is she an American,
Asian, HKer, Chinese,etc.... or even Black????? Without these information,
it's kinda hard to talk about anything more suggestion =)

Frandanla@quantum
From: poon@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Ka-Cheong Poon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Stand up girls! (WARNING: flames here)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:50:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: schaefer.1992Sep30.165049.1098
Reply-To: poon@schaefer.UUCP (Ka-Cheong Poon)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

In article <80795@ut-emx.uucp> shui@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dreamer) writes:
>Hey Girls,
>
>   It is time for us to say something after reading those stupid and narrowed
>mind guys' junk news.

I think that there is going to be a flame war in SCHK!

[Deleted]

>  Guys start building up a right attitude to treat female. Otherwise you 
>will besorry.  

What is the right attitude, do you think?

Take it easy!!!

								Poon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: The dangers of rn :)
Keywords: Dangerous
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:10:28 GMT

abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
|> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
|> 
|> >You know, just realized that posting can be dangerous to your
|> >health, esp when  the person/people you think would never read
|>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >the group happens to read the group.  So, before you post,  think
|>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >about what you're posting (esp. when it deals with something like:
|> >RE: MADLY....(yeah, that thread).   
|> >Just a silly realization from a newby rn person.
|> >-- 
|> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> >Billy H. Chan 		<bhchan@ocf.berkeley.edu>	"Life: a strange new
|> >Just Babbling    	<bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu>	 state of confusion"
|> >Disclaimer: These are my opinions.  I'm actually a really nice person.    :)
|> 
|> OH HI MOM AND DAD!!!! (whew... *trying to wipe sweat off my face*)

Hmmmm ... (turning my head around to see where is Mom ...)

|> Trust me, trust me... I am a good boy... I am studying... I AM... 

Alright, son, you are doing fine.

|> I am just taking a break... don't worry mom and dad, the tuition which
|> you are paying aren't entirely going to be wasted on my reading of news... :)

OK, just don't indulge yourself too much.

|> (hey, how come no one told me my mom and dad read this newsgroup before?? ;)

Well, you know now after all.

|> Yours Jokingly,
|> Kelvin "the clown" Leung
|> e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

Yours Fatherly,
Steven "HAHaha" LEUNG
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: love /marriage
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:27:49 GMT

kingchun@buengf.bu.edu (Tsai King Chun) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.221855.5285@athena.mit.edu> siu@athena.mit.edu (Olivia I Siu) wriLittle
|> guess I didn't quote enough from the book to give a complete idea of what this
|> >sentence: "A clever woman marries the man who loves her, not the one she loves."
|> >means in that particular context.  What I think it means is that it's hard to
|> >find a person you love who will love you just as much, so if one has to choose
|> 				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>   How do you measure if a person "love you just as much" as you love? Do
|>   people in love really care much about this? I remember a quote from an
|>   old movie which said "love is to give, not to take", and I am not sure if
|>   this is applicable to this modern world. 
|> ,
|> >it's more for one's own good to choose the one who loves you because that
|> >will last longer.  It won't be selfish if the other person knows that you
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>   I wonder if it really will last longer if you don't like this poor person
|>   at all.

I agree. If that author really means as what Olivia said, then the first part
("it's hard to find a person you love who will love you just as much") is
alright, (since you can't determine "just as much," so it's hard to find!)
But from that to generalize into the statement like that is beyond my
understanding. My guess is that the author is a male, because if women buy
his thoery here, you know who is the real beneficiaries:-) I guess I should
shut up qui ...

Steven
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328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.