HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch
Subject: How to create a trait?
Followup-To: comp.sys.apollo
Reply-To: roeber@cern.ch
Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:29:54 GMT

The OST book discusses creating types and writing type managers, but
doesn't discuss the creation of new traits.  Does anybody know of
any information on this subject?  I'd ask HP's new Domain support
folks, but they're still working on my ios_$import and ios_$export
question.

Thanks!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: BSD for Apollo Domain Series 
From: jesse@mars.slu.edu
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:26:53 CST
Organization: Parks College St. Louis Univ.

Hello
	Question:
	
	Is there away to take a domain series workstation say a 4500 and 
	run straight BSD on it.....Either by compiling it using the apollo
	compiler or are there binaries out there for this....

	Please respond with a mail message to:
				
						tutterrowjg@sluvca.slu.edu
						reavesga@pollux.slu.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: peterb@hpber010.swiss.hp.com (Peter Baumann)
Subject: elm / tin
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:57:10 GMT
Organization: the HP UK Response Centre
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Its someone out there who's using elm or tin on a Apollo DN Machine ??

I have the source-codes , but compiling's not possible ?!?!?

maybe someone can give me some hints ???

Peter Baumann

		HP Switzerland


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch
Subject: Re: How can one name a file '~' ?
Reply-To: roeber@cern.ch
Organization: CERN -- European Organization for Nuclear Research
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:26:45 GMT

In article <5daf606f.1bc5b@pisa.citi.umich.edu>, rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes:
> Can we please keep the HPukers out of here?  Maybe we should rename this
> newsgroup to comp.sys.domain-os.

Nah, think about how much nostalgic fun we can have teasing the poor
HP-Suckers who stumble in here by mistake about the primitive operating
system they have to struggle with..

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Vendor "Apollo" can not be deleted (network license server/server)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: brunkow@btree.uucp (Susan Brunkow)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:54:01 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation
Subject: Apollo networking alternatives
Distribution: world



In about 6 months, we'll be moving 50 Apollos into a new building.
Currently, almost all of these machines are on Apollo Token Ring,
except for two that are on ethernet. I'm getting a lot of
"encouragement" to not use coax in the new building.
The hardware is mostly DN4500's, DN2500's, DN3000's,
and about 6 HP425t's. Our other networks (PC, Sun, and
Macintosh) are all on ethernet, running mostly on twisted
pair.


Here are the alternatives that I know of so far:

1) Put everything on ethernet, using twisted pair cabling.
This would let us use the same wiring that our Sun, Mac
and PC networks are using. But I've heard that 
Apollos are a pain on ethernet.

2) Fibermux makes boxes which allow you to run ATR on
twisted pair. This would be less expensive, since we wouldn't
need to replace all of our network boards, and it should be
faster, since it's still ATR. I've heard good reviews of these from
a couple of people, and some negative comments from one
person. We're leaning heavily towards this option right now.



If you have any experience with 50 or so Apollos on
ethernet, or with the Fibermux setup, please
e-mail me or call me. I'd really like to know what
I'm gettin in to here. If there are some other, better
options that I've missed, I'd like to hear about them.

       

Thanks!


Sue Brunkow             ...ucsd!btree!brunkow
Brooktree Corp      or  btree!brunkow@ucsd.com
San Diego, CA
(619) 535-3231
From: s_rickus@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com (Stephen H. Rickus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:47:10 GMT
Organization: TRW Vehicle Safety Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: trwvssi.vssi.trw.com

In article <1993Jan21.135809.9748@email.tuwien.ac.at>, mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach) writes:
>   I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
> Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos. So far, without
> success. All I could do is make scsi_info actually find the drive.
> But invol claims "no controller found", and mount says "device busy".
> It just seems impossible...

Next time you post, please include enough information that someone can
help you without having to derive your configuration from the symptoms
of the problem. Model numbers and OS revision levels at least.

If you are trying to use an Apollo DN series machine then yes, it is
impossible. Although there is a WD7000 disk controller board with
external SCSI port, this board will only drive certain types of tape
drives.

If, on the other hand, by "Apollo" you mean an HP/Apollo 400 series
machine, then you would need Domain/OS 10.4 and a boot prom rev. 2.1
or greater. Of course, I would also question why this was not posted to
comp.sys.hp instead of comp.sys.apollo.

>   Yesterday, I plugged the drive into our DEC -- and it worked on
> first try (well, almost -- but it is fairly easy). So much for HP's
> conception of an "open system"...

I think you're missing something here. The Apollo was never designed to
be an "open system". That fact is not likely to change just because they
were bought by HP.

Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: bri@athena.mit.edu (Brian D. Carlstrom)
Subject: Re: BSD for Apollo Domain Series 
Organization: mit
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:39:15 GMT

there was talk for a little bin in comp.unix.bsd
of doing a port of 386bsd to the 68k, and apollo
specifically. feel free to go ahead!

-bri
From: jdc@.cse.nau.edu (John Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: First init error and then self tests failed...
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:44:40 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: jdc@sunset.cse.nau.edu

Hello.  I'm trying to help our chemistry department with what appears
to be a broken DN10000.  The machine is not on maintenance so, before we
call up HP, we want to explore all possible avenues of help.  HELP!

This is a DN10000 with one CPU trying to run Domain OS 10.3.  
What's happened is that the machine wouldn't boot, but would die in
pg$init with a crash_status of 00270001.  I went over to fiddle with
it and was able to do an ld at the SP prompt and see the disk files as
well as run EX CONFIG and EX CALENDAR.  I ran EX SALVOL with a -v option
(which said it would not write to the disk) and received some "bad addr"
messages.  SALVOL, however, did not finish and I had to eventually hit
the reset button.

From that point on, we got a consistent Self Tests Failed, on Memory Test #5
(slot 7, memory module 0).  The message was 'Unexpected SP bus error 
referencing 08000008' and the DN10000 status display has a flashing
5.7.2.0. after the error.  I tried bypassing our UPS (thinking the power
supply might be low) and vacuuming out all the dust bunnies (there were a
lot!).  Nothing helped, however, and after powering back up we got the
same excat message.

Any ideas on what we could try next?

Thanks,
-- 
	John Campbell               John.Campbell@nau.edu
        jdc@sunset.cse.nau.edu      JDC@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU
From: mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach)
Subject: Re: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Organization: University of technology, Vienna, Austria. 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:58:32 GMT

|> >   I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
|> > Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos.
|> 
|> Next time you post, please include enough information that someone can
|> help you without having to derive your configuration from the symptoms
|> of the problem. Model numbers and OS revision levels at least.

  Oh, I've tried that before, twice, without much success. This was only
the "gee, I give up" summary...

  Anyway, the machine is a HP/Apollo 425t under Domain/OS 10.4. The machine
"somehow" can talk to the drive, ie. scsi_info does return the correct
information -- yet invol doesn't find it ("no controller found"), and
an attempt at mounting it fails miserably ("device busy")...

|> I think you're missing something here. The Apollo was never designed to
|> be an "open system". That fact is not likely to change just because they
|> were bought by HP.

  Ah yes, I *knew* I was overlooking something :)

	mjl


-- 
         "CDTV is selling like warm pie" -- J.P. at Kanton in FFM.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: First init error and then self tests failed...
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:00:56 GMT

In article <199301272043.AA07025@pan.ssec.honeywell.com> thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (jt -- John Thompson) writes:
>If you have more than one memory board, you might want to pull the board in 
>slot 7 and try again.  If things succeed, then you really do have a bad RAM board
>(this doesn't explain the 270001 status though).

I agree the power supply LEDs should be checked first, though the usual
symptom is that the system just powers down spontaneously.
I would add the Utility (SP) board, the Translator, and even the CPU
to the list. Any bad board on the X-Bus (CPU/MEM/SP) can cause what
appear to be memory problems in our experience.
Problems with any of them can cause weird errors when status gets
(mis)interpreted, which probably explains why you "get" VME errors.
Also, I hope you are not using the SR10.4.p DEX diagnostics - most of them
don't work, including Ethernet, memory and cpu (this situation is
absolutely retarded !!!); the scatman diagnostics do seem to work.

This is not very helpful though if you don't have spares / a spare system,
since you'll probably have to get HP to bring "everything", and just pay
for what fixes it.
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 *******   As usual, I speak only for me, myself and I; nobody else   *******
E-mail: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca  Tel: (416)978-7094  Fax: (416)978-8775
From: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: bsd lpr services
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:45:46 GMT
Organization: I.Physikalisches Institut RWTH-Aachen
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
Keywords: lpr lpd remote printing


I have established remote printing (bsd style) in /etc/printcap.
No I wanted to test it and said:

lpr file

What I get is:

lpr: The default printing user does not exist

Any idea, what I have to do to enable this?

Another problem still persists:

I was able to do a rgy_create on my new installed 10.3 so I can use root and user.

Then I was looking for a way to anable the old registry data again. The only thing I could do so far was a brute force way to replace the old
saved /somewhere/SYS/sys/registry to /sys/registry with prior deleting of the
newly created registry tree.

What are the correct steps to perform to obtain a working registry.
Now I always get the error mnessage at login that network registry could not be used, using local registry instead.

--
--Chris
Christoph P. U. Kukulies
kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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Stop.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: lampi@halcyon.com (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: Logging in after install
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:13:23 GMT

system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson)) writes:

>In article <1jo9tgINNqqe@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de writes:
>>How can I login as root or privileged user at this point? user -apollo- does
>>not give me su access.
[...stuff deleted...]
> One thing I do is force the local registry on each system
>to be updated every night so you can always login to a node whose
>network adaptor has failed - the local registry times out the accounts
>after 21 (?) days, so if you haven't logged in for a while, you won't be
>able to do so when you really need to (I do a '/etc/edrgy -synch',
>after expanding the local registry to hold enough accounts). This won't
>help when you invol, but it also gives you a complete copy of the real
>registry in the local registry.

Is that what you do? Gee, I had a similar problem, except I set the
calendar back to 1985, logged in as root, tried to set up a good &
proper registry, and found that I couldn't. (Also found that invol under
10.4 won't work with the calendar set to 1985, either :-) Anyway,
I finally edited the local registry file using the db debugger, changing
the expiration date of the accounts I wanted to 'never'. This works
quite well even if I don't have a master registry.

-- 
Michael Lampi         lampi@mdlcorp.com
MDL Corporation       15301 NE 90th Street, Redmond, WA 98052
                      (206) 861-6700    (206) 861-6767 FAX
From: austin@meto.umd.edu (Austin L. Conaty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Moving off the RING
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:45:02 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Hello all,
I have a network of about 20 Apollos ranging from the
dn300 to the dn4500 with a few dn3000s and dn3500s in between.
I have all of the nodes heavily linked to our server node.
What I want to do now is take one of the dn3500s and put in an
ethernet board, remove the token ring board, and hook it
up to the campus ethernet as a stand alone unit.

The machine has 146 MB of disk space and 12MB of memory.  The
question I have is: How should I get this baby ready for the ethernet
and the world of standalone?  Should I wipe off the disk and
boot from tape and install that way?  Should I try and reconfigure
it while it is still on the token ring network?  Right now we are
running 10.3.5 version of Domain/OS, should I load 10.4?  Should
I load only BSD?

If you have made a similar transition in the (not too distant) past,
please send me mail, and I will post a summary if there is interest.

Thanks a million!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: lampi@halcyon.com (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:55:37 GMT

mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach) writes:

>  I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
>Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos. So far, without
>success. All I could do is make scsi_info actually find the drive.
>But invol claims "no controller found", and mount says "device busy".
>It just seems impossible...

>  Yesterday, I plugged the drive into our DEC -- and it worked on
>first try (well, almost -- but it is fairly easy). So much for HP's
>conception of an "open system"...

>	mjl

I had one of these in my hands for a little while and ran into the
same problems on a DN-2500. It's due to the response from the
Tahiti to the Apollo's SCSI Inquiry command, and the non-recognition
of the device by the boot firmware. If the boot firmware doesn't
like the device, then invol will not find it.

You might try putting a TenX OCU in between the Tahiti and the SCSI
bus. I've heard rumors that this works on 400's (maybe HP-UX, but
that's another story).

-- 
Michael Lampi         lampi@mdlcorp.com
MDL Corporation       15301 NE 90th Street, Redmond, WA 98052
                      (206) 861-6700    (206) 861-6767 FAX
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: christal@phoenix.imag.fr (Michel Christaller)
Subject: HELP: specs of an APOLLO monochrome monitor
Keywords: video, monitors 
Reply-To: christal@imag.imag.fr (Michel Christaller)
Organization: IMAG-LGI, Universite de Grenoble, France
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:09:34 GMT


Hi !

We have an apollo 19" (?) monochrome monitor (PART #8399-3), and we would like
to connect it to an PC compatible machine, with an SVGA video card.

BUT we do not know exactly the specs of the monitor, eg:

-type of the connection (TTL or analog)
-pinout of the DB9 connector of the monitor
-Horiz and Vert frequencies that can handle the monitor

If anyone has the infos, please e-mail to us.

If anyone has already done such a try, please let us know.

Thanks !



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Mario Medina C.)
Subject: Re: PKzip for apollo
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:54:37 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Michael T Pins (mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote:
>mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Mario Medina C.) writes:
>
>>Willem Jan Withagen (wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl) wrote:
>->In article <1885@ddbeano.Dundee.NCR.COM> chris@ddbeano.Dundee.NCR.COM (Chris Ashmole) writes:
>->=>
	[Lots of unnecessary stuff deleted]
>
>My what a mess we have above....
>Last September, Info-Zip released new versions of zip/unzip (1.9 and 5.0
>respectfully) that were to be compatible with the new pkzip 2.xx that was
>supposed to be released RSN.  Well, the new pkzip finally was released a few
>weeks ago, and by all reports still has a number of annoying bugs.
>Info-Zip's unzip5.0 will uncompress everything that the pkzip compresses, and
>is fully backward compatible, so it's safe to install.
>Info-Zip's zip1.9 compresses with the new pkzip format unavailable before
>pkzip2.xx, so unless you have the latest (and still buggy) pkzip, don't use
>zip1.9, use the previous version (who's number I don't recall offhand).
>All of the above Info-Zip versions are available on grind.isca.uiowa.edu in the
>unix/arc-progs area.
>
>-- 
>*****************************************************************************
>* Michael Pins                |   Internet: amigapd@isca.uiowa.edu          *
>* ISCA's Amiga Librarian      |         #include <std.disclaimer>           *
>*****************************************************************************

	To further mess things up, Info-Zip's unzip5.0 wasn't 100%
compatible with pkzip 2.04c, so they wrote a patched version called
unzip50p1 which presumes to uncompress anything compressed by pkzip
2.04c. I understand it appeared only last week.
	IMHO, Info-zip's products have proven to be reliable and very
well written.Also, they can run in Atari, DOS, Unix, Mac, VMS Amiga and
Windows NT (?!) machines, so maybe you could make without PkZips
products altogether and install Info-Zip everywhere.
  
--
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Depto. Ing. Electrica    |  cardinales son tres :   | mmedina@renoir.die.udec.cl
Univ. de Concepcion      |  el norte y el sur"      | mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: Logging in after install
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:55:28 GMT

In article <1jo9tgINNqqe@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de writes:
>How can I login as root or privileged user at this point? user -apollo- does
>not give me su access.

But you have access to /install/tools where there is a version of rbak
called rbak_sr10 that is setuid root and will restore things like your
registry (and will restore setuid root programs as setuid root for
any user which is a MAJOR security hole - this program should either
be deleted or the file/directory permissions changed so only root can
get in there to prevent access after install has completed).

>I saved the previous sys and etc directory of my node, hoping to be able to
>re-establish the registry from that. Where is the registry located and
>how can I re-activate it?

It is /sys/registry and subdirectories; I assume this was the master
node (or only node) since otherwise your network registry should be
available once you get your networking set up properly. I hope you
had your registry in "maintenance" mode when you backed it up, using
'rgy_admin'. One thing I do is force the local registry on each system
to be updated every night so you can always login to a node whose
network adaptor has failed - the local registry times out the accounts
after 21 (?) days, so if you haven't logged in for a while, you won't be
able to do so when you really need to (I do a '/etc/edrgy -synch',
after expanding the local registry to hold enough accounts). This won't
help when you invol, but it also gives you a complete copy of the real
registry in the local registry.
-- 
core error - bus dumped    -*-    Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
 *******   As usual, I speak only for me, myself and I; nobody else   *******
E-mail: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca  Tel: (416)978-7094  Fax: (416)978-8775
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: chris@zeus.alta-oh.com (Chris Murphy)
Subject: Re: Screendump on apollo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:44:04 GMT
Organization: ALTA Analytics

In article <1jjn96INN1kr@serv-200.dfki.uni-kl.de>, klauck@dfki.uni-kl.de (Christoph Klauck) writes:
|> Hi everybody,
|> I want to make a screendump of a CAD-system running on an APOLLO 3500
|> and don't know how to do it. At the end I need a Postscript file. bitmap --> ps
|> is no problem.
|> maybe a dump of a window will fit.
|> Thanks in advance
|> regards
|> 	Christoph
|> 

You could use the  cpscr  command which dumps the screen into
a GMF file. Then use the GMF_$ calls to access this file.
Alternatively, you could use the GPR_$ library directly.

Use  gpr_$initialize(grp_$screen,....) to init gpr.
Then  gpr_$inq_bitmap_pointer will return a pointer to the actual
pixmap. There are LOTS of gpr_$ calls to choose from, but I hope
this points you in the right direction.

Cheers,
	Chris.
       
-- 
Chris Murphy    -   chris@alta-oh.com
(614) 792-2222      Columbus. OH.
From: toml@skie.ECE.ORST.EDU (Tom Lieuallen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Process limit and locked display
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:06:52 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rumba.ece.orst.edu
Keywords: limits display


We are running a mixture of DN 5500 and 425t workstations.  Over
half have 24 MB of RAM, several have 32 MB, and the rest have 16 MB.
All are running 10.3.5.4 and we have plans to convert to 10.4 soon.

While these machines are prone to problems, several stand out:

1.  Machine runs out of processes.  The actual number of running
	processes is not large when it complains of this.  It
	is certainly not the 2048 processes that the man pages
	says is the maximum.  Do the man pages lie?  Is there any
	solution other than rebooting occasionally?

2.  Display locks up.  We are running DM and Xapollo.  Unfortunately,
	we cannot get rid of either at the moment.  Sometimes the
	display stops accepting input from the keyboard and mouse.
	As we cannot restart the DM, our only recourse is to reboot.
	So, does anyone know why the display locks up?  Know of
	any solution?  Know of a way to restart the DM without
	bringing the machine down to phase 2 (killing the DM with
	any signals thus far brings the machine to phase 2).

These problems are making our Apollos very unreliable.  If anyone
has solutions for us, we would be eternally grateful.

Tom Lieuallen
Electrical & Computer Engineering Department
Oregon State University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo