From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music newsgroups
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 13:31:22 GMT

In <1992Apr16.044405.25939@seas.gwu.edu> maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji) writes:
>pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>: You forgot a few:
>[tons of fucking shit deleted]

like your proposals weren't fucking shit?

>: alt.music.give.me.a.break
>: -- 
>: Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
>:              If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure
>Listen kid,

Listen, *child*, I happen to be working FOR the university, not ATTENDING the
university.  Get your preconcieved attitudes out of your ass.

>		you don't know what the hell is going on in these newsgroups.
>There are flame wars constantly about what is rock and hard rock and
>metal and etc.

Because they have the stupidest splits between them.  How the
fuck do YOU define metal and hard rock and rock-n-roll?  Probably differently
from a significant portion of anyone else anywhere, since the terms are
so vague as to be useless.

>		These new subdivisions will stop flame wars and give
>birth to new newsgroups where people can post about something without
>getting flamed.

No, the new subdivisions will give rise to even more stupid flame wars
(QUIT POSTING ABOUT YOUR BAND ON OUR BANDS BOARD! (even if the relationship
is relevant) etc.).

>I have been reading alt.r-n-r.metal for some time now and it's filled
>with groups like Def Leppard and Guns N Roses, which don't belong there.

In YOUR OPINION.  Get a clue.  Your opinion isn't the center of the
Universe, much less Usenet.

>Hell, there's even stuff about INXS, U2, and Queen.  These groups are
>NOT metal.

Awwww....  So hard/metal/r-n-r are just so easy to define, right?  Why
then are people posting about these bands in .metal?  They can't ALL
be clueless dweebies.

>Sure, we could keep separating all these groups forever, but that was
>not my point.  I want these groups to be RENAMED so that people will
>see the differences in music more easily.

Right.  Like I said, we need all those other groups too.  I mean,
alt.music.soft at the VERY least.

>The groups that I wanted to see created were "alt.music.rock.hard"
>(because hard rock gets posted in the metal newsgroups) and "alt.
>guitar.tab"

Actually, alt.guitar.tab was the only group in the lot that I saw
with any merit.  I'd agree that it would be useful.

>	(because there is an on going 'to tab or not to tab'
>controversy going on which is a waste of time).  I've been trying
>to cleanse these newsgroups, with little or no success.

So young, yet already a burgeoning member of the net.police.  Wow.
Welcome to the club.  Think before you act though.  Simply splitting
these groups up and adding more will not help (may well hurt), and
will only contribute to an eventual lack of distribution for all *.music.*
groups, because they have become so splintered as to be useless.  It's
not like there's any rhyme or reason to the names you've chosen, or
like there are truly clear cut divisions between what constitutes
hard rock, metal, and "rock-n-roll".  You can argue about them all
till you're blue in the face, and no one will ever change their already
preconcieved notions.

>So before you go off on what's wrong about subdiving the music
>newgroups, maybe you should take a look at all the crap that's
>being posted there.  Thank you for your time and cooperation.

So before you go off and propose a bunch of ill-named groups, maybe
you should give some thought to the effect on the net as a whole,
and to the idea of coming up with a more comprehensive and sensible
naming scheme that will be less prone to flames because people's
individual judgements differ.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
             "See you guys ar--see you.  Er.  Great.  Fine.  Ciao."
     As the Bently skidded off into the darkness Ligur said, "Wossat mean?"
            "It's Italian," said Hastur.  "I think it means 'food'."