From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:21:45 GMT

Are you serious you believ what you are saying here.. I mean that Buthele
never publicly never made Xhosa's and issue.  Well, ANC is Xhosa, NP is
Dutch, Inkatha is Zulu, AWB and HNP are .... and then DP is English oops
Scotish, or is it Welsh, so on and on we go on dividing ... untill we
hit the ethnically impure...a Natal resident, who works for Inkatha who
(oops) whose father is Zulu and Mother is Xhosa... whose Grand papa is
on the paternal side is half Zulu half Swati.. and oh! lord I think..
we might be headed for clensing.  Gavan's seem to have a good handle of his
stats.. But find's it in his hear to selective forget that the population
of SA is better represented proportionally in the ANC than in any other 
organization.  Argue that out Gav.. Over 70% of SA is black that make 
SA a black country by the very same fact that make ANC a balck organization.
Yes.. theree is a greater representation of Zulu's in the ANC than Pedi's are
in Inkatha/...  Try that for size..  The politic of proportion...
There id a better representation of whites taken proportionally in the
ANC than in the balck in the NP.. this shoes must fit you.

The ethnically pure Inkatha... and pure afrikaaners who in some study that
was muffled some years ago had Khoi and San blood are well represented in
AWB or the NP.. which of the parties or movement is represntative of the
country's composition.  The ANC... has more Jews than than the AWB and die
CP combined... more indians than Inkatha and AWB combined... and more
africans than Inkatha, NP, AWB, HNP-CP or what ever.. well.. the rest is
for "ethnically pure Gavanites to chew.  

Now for the Flag...
Hellow there SA... Uit bie blou van onse hemel.. Nkosi sikilela i' afrika
O fedise di ntwa le matsenyego gobane (because)
ons vir jou Suid Afrika... ons sal lewe and ons sal sterwe 
Kube kuna phakade.  
or should we begin anew one.

The idea that unity is impossible lie not so much in the reality but in
lack of willingness to be united. For there are a lot of common grounds
on whcih all the people that live in SA can find not consensus and a
ability to be rallied  behind a common sence of the fate of the country
SA/AZANIA or what you may.. I believe a multi cultural society such as our
should as  one of the posters stated "have tolerance" but that tollerance
is not worth a penny if we do realize our common fate ... Maybe the
realization of such common fate comes after some show down of some kind.
The kind that have preceded all identifiable stability in the history of
this mother earth (oops Moeder...) Ke ka lebaka la botseya le botserere
bokgoni le bonatla bja batho bao lehono re ba bitsang MaZulu le Maburu
Batswana le Maxhosa .. that the politicakl land scape of our country is
shaped as it is.. Nedless to say maybe we have not reached that 
bottom point in which the ties of common fate emerge and we beginning to
realize that it is out of our unity that we can survive. 
Furthermore, it seems that  maybe our common fate is hindered by the fact
our country has no eminent enemy than itself.  We have no obvious contender
as a geopolitical entity. But the only line that are clear are those 
between the decendents of former settlers who seem not to have as much 
allegiance to a unted country aginst Eorope but seem themselves as 
European on some post in Africa.     (the word above is Europe see not see. 
And African who seem not to accept a common fate with European decendents.
And then of course you have a boiling political pot that see nothing less
than remenescence of the Lifaqane,.   well I am sure that maybe 
we have not gone down enough in the course of human humiliation and 
degradation... or that we have seen not so much what is in for people like
Gavan in the new SA... maybe we need to get a little more persistent
in the attainment of our goal even when such goals may mean it may be 
darkest before dawn.. As the Pedi proverb states "Dibetlwa di betlwa bathong
wa madimabe a fahlwa" . This may be just that situation of "Dibetlwa"

Hold tight Gavan with you an every one else we will get across this jungle
of mutual mistrust and psychological "get-the-sons-of-bitches" mentality
on both sides. But the chalange to you is whether you are there with
you freedom of expression to help SA or whether you hope to help other
countries. It is whether with you posting you hope to buld a better world
for South Africa or hope to break SA into little frgment... if you purpose 
is the latter... the winds of change may express its freedom of expression.

Maybe the day will come when die stem and Nkosi sikelela' will be sung at 
the same time.  Let thos that love South Africa/Afrika Borwa?Afrika-Xipembe
or Suid Afrika- Azania be deligent in searching for solution and not in
creating philosophical obstacles.  It should be rememebered that it was with
the aid of a scholar that we got our beloved aparheid as we know it today..
and maybe it would be through the aid of a scholar that SA will emerge 
as a world economic power-house of the world not Africa, a show case of
democracy not to the third world .. but the world in general.  

These my friend should lie at the bottom of each scholarly analysis...Maybe
we SA will need to remember what happened in the story of two dog that 
spent time fighting for a bone ...a third  dog came and stole the meat. 


I've gotta checka' ma'bone.....
Ta'tshien.
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