HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zaphod@diku.dk (Ole D. M. Lennert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Why did Denmark say no to Maastricht?
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:34:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>smudge@alfred.carleton.ca (Sandra Mudge) writes:
[Sandras text deleted]

>Hi,
>A Dane can answer more about the contents of the campign.
>What the Danish authorities did they translated the Maastricht Treaty
>into the Danish language and it was sent to every home.
>(This was the biggest mistake:-)

Actually, the translation of the treaty was distributed via post
offices and libraries. You actually had to pick it up one of these
places, if you wanted to read it. But a lot of danes did this - which
surprised the politicians quite a lot. I think the treaty is the most
popular printed work in Denmark this year :)

[Rest of Jarmos text deleted]
> for the people:-
>Regards,
>Jarmo

Ole Lennert
(zaphod@diku.dk)
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dramatic weekend in Sweden
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:54:28 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Sep25.074406.24564@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>Bertil Jonell writes:
>>[...] and everybody seems to agree with
>>that.
>
>Surprise! *I* don't agree at all! :-) _: 

  The net is not a representative sample!

Followup to my .sig:

"Among the vocal participants on the net the majority is always in opposition
 to the current <whatever> as long as <whatever> is in effect. When <whatever>
 change to <something-else> they will oppose that too." :)

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
"This is the famous Hasan B Mutlu-trigger, insert it in your .sig file today!"
From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: travelling to DK, help needed
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:58:27 GMT
Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA

BALBUENA@EVALUN11.BITNET writes:
: This is the first time I'm going to travel by car to Copenhagen. So,
: I'd appreciate any info concerning ferry prices, schedules etc. from
: Germany. Which is the easiest? Going to Kiel or other city?

Kiel is a most unlikely place to go to. Assuming you want to go to
Copenhagen, you have two choices:
(1) Drive up through Jutland, turn right, take the ferry from Nyborg to
    Korsoer.
(2) Drive to Puttgarden (Fehmarn) and take the ferry to Rodby.

I will let someone who has used either in the last ten years suggest
which is cheaper.
-- 
/ Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer	Internet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM
  CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l	Telephone: +1-805-968-4262	
  Santa Barbara, CA 93117-3083		TeleFAX:   +1-805-968-8256
From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:32:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Yngve K. Raustein
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

This is a sad day for me as a person and as an American.  My condolences
and sympathy to his friends and family.

Regarding attending his memorial, provided that the family has not asked
that it be private, I would recommend going.  I would go if the distance
were not so great.

 %A memorial service is held to honor the deceased and not knowing any of
 %his relatives or friends should not stop you from attending. The same
 %goes of course for a funeral, but there one has to take into account
 %the next of kins decision. Sometimes they want a private act, and 
 %one has to respect that of course. So, if you knew him and want to pay
 %your respect my opinion is that you should go if you have oppurtunity
 %to do so. It can also be comforting for his family to see that many
 %have met for the service.


 %Mats Winberg
 %Stockholm, Sweden

Well said Mats, I can't say it any better.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
From: janus@staff.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: MacZone sier at de snakker norsk
Summary: Has anyone had luck talking to MacZone in
Keywords: MacZone
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:28:59 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I keep seeing an ad for MacZone in the State of Washington
announcing that "We speak your language" and that "Vi snakker
Norsk [sic], Svensk og Dansk.  I do not need to speak
Nordic to order my computer equipment, but I've tried
about 4 times to reach them.  I edit a newsletter for
North American Norwegian teachers, and I thought a story
about this would be interesting [one more reason to 
learn Norwegian...]

Has anyone used this service?  How did it work out?  I'd be
interested to hear.

Also MacZone says they have a Free Scandinavia catalog.
Does anyone know if it holds any Nordic-specialized
software, beyond the general market software with
Nordic translations of the menus and documentations.  I mean
are there any, for example, grammar checkers, specialized
dictionaries, anything a Norwegian, Swedish, Danish teacher
in NOrth America might like to hear about?

If I ever reach their Scandinavian specialist, I'd ask for
the catalog, but so far she hasn't found it important to
return my calls.

I have no affilation with MacZone, but would consider buying
some products from them if they'd return my call, just to
show support for foreign language use in the US.

Louis Janus
sometimes (but not now) part of
the Scandinavian Dept,
U of Minnesota
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Free Computer Technology Review Subscriptions in US
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:04:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple

In article <199209291800.AA20510@tuna.wang.com>, you wrote:
> I just received the following letter from Computer Technology
> Review newspaper which may be of interest to other readers.
> This is quite a good technical computer newspaper:
> 
>         A Free Subscription Has Been Reserved Just For You!
> 
> Dear Computer Professional:
 > To begin your free subscription simply complete and return the
> enclosed application.  But hurry!  There are a limited number of free
> subscriptions available.  If you don't respond immediately to this
> offer, we may have to give your free subscription to one of your
> colleagues (or even a competitor!)

... and so on. These free magazines are free for US postal delivery, but
as I know similar professional freebie magazines are never distributed
outside US without the costs of posting. We at Apple Australia went
around this problem by having an official mail stop address in California,
that was actually a courier service that delivered stuff between Cali
and Australia once a week. That's how I got most of my free US
subscriptions.

Cheers,
Kent
Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to	investigate. -F.M.
Knowles
-------------------
Kent Sandvik (UUCP: ....!apple!ksand; INTERNET: ksand@apple.com)
DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan)
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:24:11 GMT

Hi,Finnish netters:
Is there anyone know how much the starting salary is for the
associate professor virka A26 and professor virka A28?
Anyone knows it please let me know.
Thanks in advance.
H.Pan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: leeu@nobeltech.se (Leif Euren)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian music
Keywords: Scandinavia, music
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:20:22 GMT

Mr ID Jennings <piij@hippo.ru.ac.za> writes:
>I had assumed (wrongly it now seems) that all contemporary music from
>Scandinavia was 1) sung in English, 2) aimed at the "international"
>(ie American) market and 3) mindnumbingly bland & derivative.

Of course. The contemporary music from Scandinavia you hear is
2) aimed at the "international" market
and therefore is
1) sung in English,
and as that isn't our native language, the lyrics are
3) mindnumbingly bland & derivative.

You're not to blame. My best advice is: learn swedish (or norwegian,
or danish); then you'll start to appreciate scandinavian music :-).
I especially recommend Svenne Rubins and Euskefeurat.

>... supposedly derived from folk sources.  Where can I find out
>more about such music?  And is there more of it in other parts of Europe
>(Germany, Holland, France etc)?

From what I've seen in record shops in Europe, each country has it's
own native music culture, just as it has it's own language.

And since Steeleye Span got so great successes in England with their
modern versions of traditional songs, such groups has emerged in
several other countries.  The ones I remember right now are 'Folk och
Rackare' in Sweden and 'Malicorne' in France.

>I am planning to be in Europe next year and would like to know where to
>get to hear the good stuff live.

A good place for folk music (in both traditional and modern forms)
would be Falun Folk Music Festival, in the town of Falun, Sweden. I
don't remember exactly when it is, but it's sometime in the summer.
It lasts a week (I think) and is truly international, with not only
groups from all over Europe, be from all over the globe.

	Good luck!
	Leif Euren
 __  __ 
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|   \  |
|      |	Leif Euren			NobelTech Systems AB
|  \   |	System Manager Rational  	S-175 88 JARFALLA
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: a very very stupid question
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:48:30 GMT

In article <Bv23Lu.Brv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (QUEEN ZENOBIA!) writes:
>i dont even know how to start this one.
>
>Having read in the newspaper today that Yngve Raustein was murdered sometime
>over the last week.... i was kinda hoping that maybe it wasnt him....
>if anyone can give me a clearer track on this one please do.
>thank you
>-kimberli roan
>kkr42091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Er det sant???
_mordet_???  Hvorfor?  Hvordan?  Av hvem?

Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no
From: mats@pluto.dss.com (Mats Liliedahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Say It Ain't so, Sweden!
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:04:02 GMT
Organization: Datability, Carlstadt, NJ

In article <14440@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se writes:
>  Well... it is usually taken by Swedish liberals (who is quite different from
> US 'liberals') as an example of why religious extremists and PC-ists are 
> dangerous.

It still amazes me how the far-right in the US has managed to turn the 
word 'liberal' into a derogatory term, used to portray an opponent as a 
big-spending, tax-raising danger to the 'American way of life'!
 
As I recall, 'liberal' is derived from the latin for 'free', and thus 
should fit right in with the American mentality. Instead, a 'liberal' is
regarded as only marginally to the right of a 'socialist'. At the same time,
the Libertarian party is by most considered too far to the right! Go figure!

>  And the IRS *is* more vicious than Kronofogdemyndigheten and Skatteverket 
> combined:)

Amen to that. Anybody who have filled out a tax-return both in Sweden 
and the US knows that to do so in the US require an advanced degree in 
bureaucracy to do anything beyond the basic basic. :-(

Mats
mats@doc.dss.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a new Radio Czechoslovakia schedule?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:51:19 GMT

My most sincere apologies, the information request was posted to the
wrong group by accident, and not because I think that Czechoslovakia
is in Scandinavia.  Vi dansker er ikke sa dum.

John Jensen
jejensen@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Sep28.183048.14924@kth.se>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:59:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.183048.14924@kth.se> tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE 
(Tomas Eriksson) writes:

   >A typical professor's salary is 
   >probably 30,000 SEK per month.

  Typical where? KTH professors are paid more, I believe, than university
professors. But since the salaries of university professors are a matter of
public record, let's wait for somebody knowledgeable to enlighten us.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: Studying in Sweden
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:25:15 GMT

jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) writes:
>I was considering undergraduate medical studies in Sweden (possibly at
>Lund). I have learned, however, that dramatic changes will take place
>regarding educational opportunities for foreign students. Does anyone
>know more precisely what these changes might encompass as far as the
>admissions processes are concerned. Also, would visiting students be
>expected to pay higher tution.....

Ahhh, don't believe everything you read...

Firstly, there is no such thing as tution [sic] at Swedish
universities, for anybody (unless you count membership in a
studentkr!)...

For undergraduate studies, however, foreigners cannot usually receive
any 'skolpengar', (school-money), from the state.  One may also
berequired to study Swedish for a full year, before formal studies
begin.  This does not apply (usually) to graduate studies...

According to "Studying in Sweden: Higher Education for Visiting
Students", printed by the National Swedish Board of Universities and
Colleges, (universitets- och hgskolembetet): "It should be noted
that the programmes in Medicine and Dentistry lead to the first degree
only (University Medical/Dental Degree), *not* to specialization.  You
*cannot* apply for admission to the clinical or later part of the
medical programmes as a visiting student."
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Studying in Sweden
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Distribution: soc.culture.nordic
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:55:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.065223.5989@news.columbia.edu>, jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>
>I was considering undergraduate medical studies in Sweden (possibly at
>Lund).

Since you write this in English, I hope you're aware that the medium of 
instruction at Swedish universities (usually) is *Swedish*. Your
literature is usually a mixture of Swedish and English. I guess that
undergraduate medicine would be roughly 50/50 Swedish/English. Since, as
far as I've heard, medical studies isn't exactly a holiday, and they have
continuous examination (a quick exam every week or so?), it could possibly
be difficult not to know Swedish.

The medical programme is 5.5 years, and leads to "l{karexamen". You 
enter it directly after high school, but you must have studied the 
science program there. (Roughly equivalent to US high school + 1 year
of college.) After those 5.5 years follow almost 2 years of (paid) 
residency/internship (6 months each in surgery, internal medicine and 
general practice, and 3-4 months in psychiatry, I think). After that you 
get your license from the "Socialstyrelsen" and are "legitimerad l{kare" 
(leg.l{k.). Now you're ready to get a permanent job as a physician. But 
you're not yet specialized, so you work as "underl{kare". To become 
specialized takes another 4 years or so of in-work training at the
appropriate clinic.

Note that there are no such thing as a "professional doctorate" in 
Sweden. The degree of doctor of medicine is a research degree equivalent 
to four years of full-time work. In non-clinical subjects, you can start 
to do research before you have finished the 5.5 year programme; some 
people get their "med.dr." degree, and then go back to finish their 
undergraduate degree and do their residency to be able to practice 
medicine as well as do research in immunology or neuroanatomy or
whatever. It's often possible to do on-work research in a clinical 
medical subject, so some specialists get a "med.dr." rather "cheap" in 
extra time spent, compared to those who get their doctorates in 
non-clinical subjects.

Anyway, to become a specialized physician, as well as med.dr. in a 
non-clinical subject, should take about 5.5 + 4 + 2 + 4 = 15.5 years.
It could take more.

So, if you start your studies next year, perhaps you'll stay in Sweden 
until the year 2009? :-)

Tomas

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Tomas Eriksson                                tomas_e@physchem.kth.se ! JA till
   Institutionen f|r fysikalisk kemi, Kungliga Tekniska H|gskolan     !   EG!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Emailing Ice Land
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:10:22 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Fredrik" == Fredrik stman (euafri@eua.ericsson.se)

Fredrik> Remember, vikings don't use smileys.

Nope. A hand axe is more appropriate.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: Anyone have a new Radio Czechoslovakia schedule?
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:39:19 GMT

jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen) writes:
: A friend of mine enjoys listening to news from her homeland.  She used
: to tune in at 10:30pm EDT (0230 UTC) at 7345 KHz, but tonight the
: signal was not there at all.  Have they switched to winter
: frequencies?  Does anyone know what they are?

   UAAAAAAA!!!!

   I follow this newsgroup regularly and with pleasure, and I love 
Scandinavia, but it is the first time I see somebody tries to locate
my home coutry among the nordic ones. I would have nothing against it, if
my country were in Scandinavia, but... :-)
  Man, look at the map. How about stating that New York state lies on the Hudson
Bay???

  Argh...
								Tom
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jejensen@alfred.carleton.ca (John Jensen)
Subject: Anyone have a new Radio Czechoslovakia schedule?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:49:13 GMT

A friend of mine enjoys listening to news from her homeland.  She used
to tune in at 10:30pm EDT (0230 UTC) at 7345 KHz, but tonight the
signal was not there at all.  Have they switched to winter
frequencies?  Does anyone know what they are?

John Jensen
jejensen@ccs.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no (Steinar Haug)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian music
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.
	<1992Oct1.184956.2307@burrhus.harvard.edu>
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:55:45

>>And since Steeleye Span got so great successes in England with their
>>modern versions of traditional songs, such groups has emerged in
>>several other countries.  The ones I remember right now are 'Folk och
>>Rackare' in Sweden and 'Malicorne' in France.
>
>	As a staunch folk-rock fan, I'll have to try to find some of this
>"Folk och Rackare"!

I have most of the "Folk och Rackare" albums (yes, LPs, not CDs :-), and I
can definitely recommend them. They've been rather quiet lately though.. any
Swedes who has heard of new albums? I went to a concert with them here in
Trondheim some years ago - extremely sucessfull!

Steinar Haug
Trondheim, Norway
From: egge@hsr.no (Hans Petter Egge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Stavanger Vikings.
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:37:24 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <1ahj0hINN2tr@oak27.doc.ic.ac.uk>, ji2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Joel Ikdal) writes:
> 
> Could someone in Norway please keep me updated on
> the Stavanger Viking icehockey and football teams.
> Will Viking Hockey make the play-offs ?
> Will the football team be relegated ?
> I NEED TO KNOW !
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Joel

I don't know about the icehockey team...
Football... if you mean `soccer` (there are a team(?) playing what the americans call football here
but I don't know what that team call themselves), I can tell you.

If Viking do win their last match (due Sunday 12.) against Ham-kam (I think) they will stay in
the 'elite division'. If they don't win it's more dependant on other teams.

                        --------------------------
Hans Petter Egge                            |  I'm so busy wasting time,
HSR,                                        |  that I've got no time to waste
Stavanger, Norway
From: tostbye@uwovax.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: International salaries???
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwovax.1992Sep30.170300.1
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

In article <1992Sep28.183048.14924@kth.se>, tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.161856.7279@cc.tut.fi>, sandt@cc.tut.fi (Sandt Jyrki) writes:
>>
>>In article <9209281324.AA07429@hermes.hut.fi> pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan) writes:
>>>Hi,Finnish netters:
>>>Is there anyone know how much the starting salary is for the
>>>associate professor virka A26 and professor virka A28?
>>>Anyone knows it please let me know.
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>H.Pan
>>
>>Associate professor A26 = 14102 FIM = about 2900 USD/month
>>Full professor A28 = 17001 FIM = about 3500 USD/month
> 
> Do Finnish professors really earn this little? (I presume this is salary 
> before tax.) I hardly think a Swedish full professor (the only kind that 
> is called professor here) would get less than 25,000 SEK per month 
> initially, i.e. 21,000 FIM or 4,500 USD. A typical professor's salary is 
> probably 30,000 SEK per month (25,000 FIM or 5,400 SEK). They can earn a 
> little more if they spend their time shuffling papers instead of doing 
> research (can't really understand why...). Also, an occasional professor 
> in "interesting" engineering subjects with few qualified researchers, or 
> medical subjects, could earn more by doing research alone. As I 
> understand it, these salaries are almost ridicuously low by 
> international comparison, and more so when tax and the Swedish price level 
> has been accounted for. On the positive side, the income tax has become 
> lower in recent years.
> 
> Tomas
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
>             Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
>                Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
INTERNATIONAL COMPARISONS:
i am not sure about which field you are talking about, but the Swedish
salaries sound pretty good from a CAnadian point of view. THese are
about the same as what someone would get in a canadian university. And, 
if you compare to average academic salaries in the US , i think you will
find them also to be about the same (the RANGE, however, may be broader
in the US than in Sweden.

and if you want to compare to other countries: i know for sure that
most countries in eastern europe are far below the figures you are
quoting for Sweden.

Truls Ostbye
University of Western Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan)
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:22:52 GMT

THANKS FOR ALL ANSWERS TO MY INQUIRY ON PROFESSORS' SALARIES. H.PAN