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From: varma@nuclear.physics.sunysb.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Temple built on the ruins of a mosque
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:18:57 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook, Nuclear Physics

I was just thinking what actually a temple is and thought I should share my
loud thinking on the net. I think a temple is a place to seek solace from
the strife of inner as well as outer world. How can a place built on the
ill feelings of so many people provide solace to anyone is what I fail to
understand. It is of no consequence whether it is the birth place of Ram or
Krishna, the fact of the matter is that so many people died and so many more
are being butchered for a place which will always remain in dispute. It would
have been another matter if our muslim brothers had willingly parted with those
three mosques at Benaras, Ayodhya and Mathura but since they have not done
using force to build a temple there is I think the biggest sacrilege to
hinduism. It is an age old dictum and I think is still true that two wrongs
never make right.
What Babar did was wrong and he probably did it to demoralise Hindus and may
be it is proper in Islam to do that. Islam may force its views on the so called
non beleivers but hinduism does not do it. Hinduism I dont think anywhere
emphasises that one should beleive in God too. One can achieve immortality
either by Karma ( let me say the way Ayn Rand beleived) or through Bhakti or
thru Prem. The basic tenet is freedom of thought. It allows one to follow
any of these paths. The politicians of today with their stunted outlook and for
very short term gains are putting our future in jeopardy and the sad part is
that not only those simple minded rustics but people who are literate who
are supposed to be doctors, engineers and scientists are succumbing to the bait
thrown by these unscruplous elements. People be it from India or pakistan or
for that matter bangla desh who are supposed to put logic first are being
driven by frenzy.
Let me remind our hindu brothers by a bhajan from Narsingh Mehta (and a great
favourite of Gandhi)
The first line itself is enough "Vaishnav jan ko taine kahiye jo peer paraye
jaane re". and also a poem by Harbans rai bacchan

"Jo beet gayee so baat gaye
Jeewan mein ek sitara tha
mana wah behad pyara tha
jo chooth gaya so chooth gay
Ambar ke anan ko dekho
kitne iske pyare choothe kitne iske tare toothe
par bolo toothe taroon par kab ambar shokh manata tha

Jeewan mein tha woh ek kusum
the nitya nichawar jis par tum
woh bichar gaya so bichar gaya
madriralaya ka angan dekho
kitne pyale gir jaate hai
gir mithee mein mil jate hai

and so on te poem run and then he comes to the crux of the matter
Jo kaccha peene wala hai
uske mamta ghat pyale mein
par jo sachhe madhu mein hai jala hua
kab rota kab chillata hai!

So let us rise and place or 'mamta' not on the temple but on "peer paraye"
Bye
Raghava Varma
From: sawhney@segment.almaden.ibm.com (Harpreet Sawhney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Addresses at ISAC and HCL
Keywords: Addresses
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:08:47 GMT
Reply-To: sawhney@segment.almaden.ibm.com (Harpreet Sawhney)
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center


Hi Folks,

I am trying to find out the email/regular mail addresses of some
persons at the ISRO Satellite Center (ISAC), Bangalore and HCL, Noida,
Ghaziabad. Thw WHOIS command on my node does not work. I have tried
sending mail to the POSTMASTER@ISRO but it did not work.

Could someone please tell me the exact node addresses and/or the
method for getting the email addresses ?

Thanks Much,
Harpreet
........

........................................................

Harpreet S. Sawhney  " And now close to the Sierras ! "
Research Staff Member
IBM Almaden Research Center, Dept. K54
650 Harry Road
San Jose, CA 95120

sawhney@almaden.ibm.com
408-927-1799 (work)
408-927-9048 (home)
408-927-4090 (FAX)

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From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:02:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

In article <C0K51o.8E0@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <atulpule.726520955@cunews> atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:
>>>religious wars, these
>>>happened in a rapid changing society, when a complex system is facing
>>>something new, we expect violent comflicts inside the system, it's
>>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	...... deleted stuff......


>>
>I do not want to argue with indian people. I believe indians and Chinese
>share common interests in this world--we are all at disadvantage position.
>But I do feel that Although Chinese and Indians both had rich history and
>inherited problems from past too, Chinese took more agressive means to

  ........deleted stuff.........


>endured strong short pain.
>I deplore any Chinese try to show superority against indian people, as I
>deplore indians do to  same thing. I believe Indans and Chinese should
>cooperate in the world arena.


Finally, someone is talking sense in this discussion.
India and China have reached a stage where they are
begining to see eye-to-eye. Already de-militarization 
is taking place by mutual agreement. This decade is
the best time for economic and military cooperation.

It is time for good neighborly relations and fostering
cultural ties. There is a great deal in common
in terms of the Buddhist ideology. 

Let's have peace. 

		------- Satwindar Singh Sadhal

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From: srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Four people burnt alive in Renewed clashes
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:44:15 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1993Jan08.150656.2932@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM writes:
>To: srinivas@tachyon.crd.ge.com
>Subject: Re: Four People Burnt Alive in Renewed Clashes
>
>In article <1993Jan8.173155.23073@crd.ge.com> you write:
>>In bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>>>
>>>apnews reports:
>>>	   BOMBAY, India (AP) _ Mobs burned alive at least four people
>>>today in renewed Hindu-Muslim clashes in India's largest city, a
>>>month after riots swept the nation over the demolition of a mosque
>>>by Hindu nationalists.
>>
>>
>
>> This is what your facistic dreams about so-called
>> 'Hindu Rashtra' and 'Akhand Bharat' are going to lead
>> the country to.
>
>   Who says so. Atleast this is not the Hindu Rashtra. This is the 
>   same Secularist Socialist Democratic Republic of India, defined by  the
>   Likes of Nehru. And ofcourse there are other factors like Islamic Mullah
>   elements. 
>

......
>
>
>> Is this the type of patriotism, religiousness,
>> 'Indian culture and heritage' and civilization
>> you guys want to aim for? 
>
>   Who says this is reflection of Indian culture. This came from far off 
>   places like Arabia and then Pakistan. By the way, this sewage gutter 
>   had been leaking into India from about THOUSAND years back.
>
.....
   ....
>
>   ISLAMIC fundamentalism is the basic problem in India. Idiots like you have
>   been condoning it at the stake of others life. The same idiots who 
>   created pakistan are active TODAY. 
>
>   I'm ashamed that fellows like you are still creatung problems out of 
>   their Ignorance and arrogance to others. 
>
>   [Indias problem is not Ismaic fundamentalists, but apologists like you.
>    It is people like you who need to be condemned openly, for their shameless
>    Hindu bashing without a respect for facts. ]
>
>-Indu.




    It's not worth my time and energy to engage in senseless
    discussion with you. I completely understand the futility
    of a dialogue with you. But still...I guess, either hope or
    anger takes over me.

    Even when I responded to your postings, it's not because
    they made any sense. It's only because I get saddened and
    outraged reading your fanatical views which not only
    belittle our existence as human beings but also pose
    a serious cancerous threat to our society. 

    I am more than happy that I have more sense and
    humanity in me than to indulge in facistic dreams
    like you fanatics.

    I guess during a phase when societies go thru 
    difficult times, the conditions are more than
    fertile for your type of confusion and perversion.
    I sincerely hope that someday you get back your
    senses and, more importantly, your humanity.
    Anyhow, I wish you a fast recovery.

-srinivas.
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From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Sneaky posts from women's net
Keywords: sleazeballs, sleazebuckets,poker,BIG JOB, Dating. HANG 	LOOSE	 ON 	THE 	CABOOSE !
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:19:19 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


 
>>question the other day. Loyalty shining in one eye and honesty shining 
>>out in the other, I replied " huh, well, you haven't seen *all* indian 
>>guys, have you?".
>>(What a nightmare if she should know that my university had a better
>>sample of desi guys than many other universities!) I think India is one
>>place where you find in most cases, the wife is better looking than 
>>hubby dearest. Don't ask me why, but its so in my case, thats for sure 
>
>IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE CASE WITH MOST OF THEM. HOWEVER, WHENEVER THEY
>ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME OTHER BLOOD IN THEM (MUSLIM OR ANCIENT ARYAN)
>THEIR LOOKS DO IMPROVE SOMEWHAT....

Are you so fortunate Shams?  You are a big boy now don't believe everything
your grandparents told you.  Do a Roots type research.

>>
>>Then you really are lucky.  When I was studying in India (So long ago)
>>my friend and I used to console ourselves thinking all the good looking
>>guys are in the US {there is a dearth of good lookers in India that incl
>>Amitabh Bachchan, I mean except for his height and voice what is great
>>about him ? }. 
>>Lo and behold, America has a terrible collection as well :-(
>
>YOU HAVE TO GET MORE INDIAN WOMEN TO BREED WITH WHITE MEN..............
>LOOKS TO ME LIKE, THEY CAME IN CONTACT WITH BHANGIS AND CHAMAARS. HELLO,
>HELLO .....

90% of the Muslims in the Indian subcontinent are Hindu converts and most
of them are from the backward classes.  Unless you prove to me otherwise,
in my eyes you will always be a BHANGI or a CHAMAAR whose forefathers 
accepted Islam.  So by degrading Bhangis dude you are degrading yourself.   

>Shams Hasan.


Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: Nos Tacemus -[The Satanic Verses] -- Icarus.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:36:00 GMT


In article <1993Jan12.132454.2132@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.oh
io-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.201239@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan
) writes:
>    
>>>    I agree that the book is heretic, but I do not agree that
>>>    a heretic should be killed.
>>
>>
>>Me too.
>>
>>The problem is that the image of muslims and Islam in general have been
>>maligned to such an extent that Khomeni's fatwa was used by the media in
>>the west to rob the average muslims right to be outraged and protest the
>>publication of this book. It was assumed without comment that all muslims
>>were blodthirsty people who supported the killing and were represented in int
ent
>>by Khomeni's fatwa.
>
>With all due respect: I am sure there are many many Muslims who
>disagreed with Khomeini's fatwa, but precious few have spoken out.
>Where are the organized groups of Muslims who speak out against
>such behavior on the part of Muslim leaders, which, as you rightly point
>out, is used by many to bring discredit to Islam as a whole?
>
      There are those muslims who disagree, but the problem is that there
 voice is being suppressed by vocal fundamentalists. Remember Arif Mohammed
 Khan, how government went all out with Shahabuddins. Professor Haasan of
 Jaaamia Milia University, who was treated badly by muslim fundamentaalists
 for his opposition to ban on Rushdie's book. Government is not able to 
 protect its citizens aand instead appeases fundamentalists. That is the
 problem.

 Raja


>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: IIT
Organization: -
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:23:43 GMT

mkagrawa@eos.ncsu.edu (MANI KANT AGRAWAL) writes:

  >I am trying to find out if there is a newsgroup for IITians. If you know
  >then please leave a message. Thank you.
  >
  > Mani Agrawal

According to Rakesh Patel, s.c.i. *IS* the IIT newsgroup. :-)

Seriously, IIT Kharagpur has a mailing list. I don't know about
the others. I don't think there is a IIT newsgroup.

-Raghavan, V.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: A request to Deepak Bose
Keywords: Please, donot listen to this guy. He is like others misleading you.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:13:00 GMT

shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.004247.16533@Princeton.EDU> deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb) writes:
>>     


>My dear Deepak,

>I just returned a few days back from a vacation that was both fulfilling
>and exciting. We skied all day and partied all night. Wish you were there,
>but, alas, one cannot have everthing one wishes.

>Nevertheless, coming to this posting by the honorable Arghya Deb, I implore
>you not to pay any attention to this posting. You are the first  and foremost
>Indian Hindoo who has stood up to tyranny and humiliation from Muslims in a
>noble and proud manner.

>You could be another Mahatama,  or great leader that the Hindoo generation of
>today needs. Brave, brash and unafraid of these muslim radicals and terrorists,
>you are a guiding light to millions of Hindoos and also provide excellent 
>entertainment in a society so prone to decency and proper manners that it gets
>quite boring sometimes.

>So, my dear dear with lots of Boses, more power to you and your likes.
>Remember, you are the new generation of Hindoos, you are the future of India.

>I and others at UW are looking foward to your postings as always, and commend
>you highly on your performance so far.

>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.



	ABEY SHAMelesS ke bachche ,

			IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO WRITE THEN

	WHY DON'T YOU KEEP SHUT AND GO FOR ANOTHER FULFILLING AND EXCITING

	VACATION . WHY THE HELL ARE YOU WASTING YOUR AND OTHERS EXTREMELY

	VALUABLE TIME ??

		YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMIND ME , I'LL KEEP POSTING ARTICLES

	TO SCI . 

		KUCH KARNE KO NAHIN HAI TO APNA CHOOOOOOSSS ...

		IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO THEN 

		SUUUUCCCKK YOUUURS .

						DEEPAK 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee)
Subject: Re: For M___baaz Arindam Ghosh
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:37:39 GMT


>>>>> In article <1i8q58INN36o@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:

AG> In article <SHUBU.93Jan4003427@green.cs.wisc.edu>, shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee) writes:

SSM> Shono mon boli tomay shob koro prem koro na
SSM> Prem je kathaler, aare lagle por-e chhare na.

SSM> The second line should be:

SSM> Prem je kathaler atha, aare lagle por-e chhare na.

SSM> I missed one word.

AG> I can't say I trust your memory too much.
AG> Prem je kanthaler atha lagle pore aar chhare na.

Sorry for coming back so late - I forgot about this totally.  Arindam, I 
am sorry, you shouldn't trust 'your' memory too much (no offence).  
The lines I quoted were correct.  

Luck!
-Shubu

PS: Now don't come back to me like Dan Quayle (like in the Vice-Presidential
    debate) saying you were correct.  I have the cassette.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: usenet@almserv.uucp
Subject: test
Organization: x
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:25:53 GMT

message test.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: samir@pawnee.eel.ufl.edu (Samir Chaudlry)
Subject: Test
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:27:06 GMT

Just Testing!!!
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Disturbances in Bombay again?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:06:21 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

CBS Radio just reported, and I am quoting almost verbatim:

"In Bombay, Hindus and Moslems went at it again, this time with swords
and knives. Two days of fighting have left 9 dead so far."


Anybody know more? BBC News? Something?

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: srin@cs.cornell.edu (Aravind Srinivasan)
Subject: Thiruppaavai Verse 25
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Cornell Univ., Ithaca NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:55:25 GMT


I am posting this on behalf of 
Dr. K. Srinivasan (srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca).

Regards,
Aravind.

===================================================================

\height=660 \width=460 \leftmargin=10 \C
\(TAMIL20) 25. raagam: hamsaa nandhi
\beginbox
oruththi maganaay(p) piRandhu Or iravil
oruththi maganaay oLiththu vaLara(th)
tharikkilaan aagi(th) thaan theengu ninaindha
karuththai(p) pizhaippiththu(k) kanchan vayitrinil
neruppenna ninRa nedumaalE!, unnai
aruththiththu vandhOm paRai tharudhiyaagil
thiruththakka selvamum sEvagamum yaam paadi
varuththamum theerndhu magizhndhElOr embaavaay
\endbox

\c \J
Oh Lord (nedumaal), who was born (piRandhu) one (Or) night (iravu) as a son
(magan) of one lady (oruththi) and grew up (vaLara) hiding (oLiththu) as the
son (magan) of one other lady (oruththi); You made the idea (karuththu) of
Kamsa (kanchan), who could not with stand (tharikkilaan aagi) you and thought
of (ninaindha) harming (theengu) you (thaam), useless (pizhaipiththu) and
stood (ninRa) like a fire (neruppenna) in his own belly (vayitrinil). We have
come (vandhOm) with a great desire (aruththi) towards you (unnai). If you
emancipate us (paRai tharudhiyaagil), we will be free of (theerndhu) our
sorrows (varuththam) and we (yaam) will happily (magizhndhu) sing (paadi)
about your service (sEvagam) and about the beauty (selvam) of your suitable
(thakka) match Lakshmi (thiru).
\j
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ssr@siberia.cypress.com (Bapcha/FPGA)
Subject: SREEHARI NIMMALA !!
Originator: ssr@bubba
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:54:42 GMT


If you are reading this,  could you please e-mail me a note ?

Thanks !



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: I know who make anonymous
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:08:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.225932.22416@udel.edu> chitoor@thorin.cis.udel.edu (Srikrishnan R. Chitoor) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.214641.893@fuug.fi> an4494@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>
>
>[...]
>
>>Ruchir "pondpaka" Godura. think no Bengali. actual ask lab mate and
>>then post. fight with deb on net. this way get revenge. travel by 8B.
>
>My god! you must be some kind of psychic. Ruchir does ask me for those :-).
Aiiiyo, ille. I ask Srikrishnan before I write my eruditions on
Periyar's ancestry, or why Shivamuladithurraimahalingam did a
Vobbeliseethamarangamungum at Sriranaganathathaswamipuram.
But, aamar Bangla poshteeng eez copyright (c) Ruchirda Goruda.
>
>[...]
>
>-Krishna.
>Opinions are mine.
Roocheer.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: On Caste and Vaisnavisn (continued)
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian soc.cultuer.indian.telugu
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:48:53 GMT

Mani Varadarajan, in the sequel to my notes, argues that
Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan may have favoured the caste system. 
He cites some possible works. There were some notes  (whether of Mani's
I do not know) which seem to imply that because Radhakrishnan is
an iyer (Sankara follower), he will find natural apathy to 
Ramanuja and hence was able portray Ramanuja's efforts 
as quoted by me from his book.

This notes is in response to these arguments.

Radhakrishnan did not favour the caste system atleast from what I read 
from the introductory chapters of the book on Brahma Suutras. 
Indeed many a time one gets the feeling that Radhakrishnan is
more influenced by the Bhaagavatism and its development.

As for as Radhakrishnan being a non-vaisnava: His being an iyer
is immaterial  as long as his works approach the philosophy 
professionally. In his book on Indian Philosophy from where
I extracted the quote, he is extremely pleasant and overtly
supportive of Ramanuja. Though his chapter on Advaita is much
larger than the chapter on the theism of Ramanuja,the advaitic 
components common to both systems (recall Ramanuja advocates
Vishista+Advaita=Vishistaadvaita) are captured in the original
chapter. 

In all my reading, it was absolutely clear to me that there was
no specific intent on the part of Radhakrishnan to bring about
the differences of his own faith.

To argue that RadhaKrishna has not bothered to check on the biographers of
Ramanuja (the myths and the realities of Ramanuja's life) seems far
fetched. Since when was it established as a dictum  of the
vaisnava tradition that only Srivaisnavas can speak
authentically about the life and consequences of Ramanuja?


As for as SriBhasya is concerned, I have not included the same
in the list because I do not have any source or translation
of it with me. However, Thibaut, who also gave an authentic
translation of SriBhasya, accounts in his commentary on
the Vedanta suutras and Sankara Bhasyam for elements from
SriBhasya. Indeed Thibaut does a marvelous and honest job
of translation by comparing commentaries of both Ramanuja
and Sankara and highlighting the differences of thought,
and more importantly of the model. On a side note, Thibaut
argues that in the interpretations of Vedanta Suutras,
Ramanuja is more nearer to the Suutrakaara. I hope that I have
made clear that not citing references from Vaisnavas is
no big deal.

....kt