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From: Janne.Salmi@hut.fi (Janne Salmi)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: Helsinki Univ. of Tech., Finland
	<1SEP199220593194@zeus.tamu.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:41:52 GMT

In article <1SEP199220593194@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:

-> I don't really have a problem with sarcasm, but I know several people who
-> do. Oh well.                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You do?

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      "The Nightfly"	       /            a thousand words.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Music that makes you drive fast...
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:24:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123941.16021@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.012759.20687@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, Paul.Laurie@anat.utas.edu.au (Paul Laurie) writes:
>|> In article <66562@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>|> > 
>|> > I've seen a number of posts on this subject already, and i'm just wondering...
>|> > 
>|> > What songs make you want to roll down the windows and drive really fast?

Ahh.. that's an easy question.. Mortification, "Scrolls of the Megilloth",
Deliverance, "Stay of Execution", anything by Believer, Barren Cross,
"State of Control", anything by Haven, Seventh Angel, "Lament for the
Weary" and the original demo of Drop Dead...



>|> 
>|> [...other stuff deleted...]									
>|> 
>|> Speaking of speedlimits, a friend of ours, who is a "Man of the Cloth", was 
>|> running late for a Bible study. An officer pulled him over for being 10 klms 
>|> over the posted 110kmh limit. The officer checked his ID, then, obviously 
>|> amused, asked him the reason for his indiscretion. The MOTC told the officer 
>|> "that the Lord's work requires haste". The officer said that he had not heard 
>|> that one before and let him off the charge.
>|> 
>|>  
>|> > JRjr 
>|> > -- 
>|> Paul
>
>    Another true speed limit story: A "man of the cloth" speeding,
>    gets stopped by the police, says something like "I'm a man of God",
>    policeman retorts: "God left the car when you went over 55" and gives
>    him a ticket.


Gee, whatever happened to "He will never leave you nor forsake you".. like
you're gonna DITCH God over 55, SHA! AS IF!


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Phil
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From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price)
Subject: Re: Which music amoral??
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.113921.27876@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>
>album covers?  Amoral?  No, seriously immoral, not uplifting, not
>soothing to God.  I decided right then and there I was NEVER going
>to buy another secular album.  Then this ice tea thing cop killer
>or what not came out.  I hate to get on Time Warner or whoever's
>case, but that was one step over the line in the quest of the almighty
>$$$$ idol.  I am not going to support that!  

Look, you idiot. Ice-T is not writing about killing cops because he calculates
that such lyrics will sell more albums. He is writing about killing cops
because where he lives the cops are the enemies of himself and his friends
and neighbors. Insofar as he and his friends and neighbors are the public,
the cops are not public servants. These (and other rappers') lyrics are
a reflection of a very serious situation. 

Just try very hard to imagine it, won't you? Just imagine that Ice-T is
acting in good faith, that he is doing the best he can in his situation,
and that his lyrics are an accurate representation of his situation.

I put to you that you are obliged to do this thing, to imagine that Ice-T
acts in good faith. You have no knowledge to the contrary, and, since
you are commanded to love him as yourself -- you idiot -- you therefore
must, as part of that love, assume that he is acting in good faith unless
you have strong evidence to the contrary. You have no such evidence. Your 
accusations that Ice-T is completely money-hungry and lacking in integrity 
are unsupported and unChristian. Please learn something about the social 
conditions he is attempting to represent.

I believe you will find that the world is a very serious place. And what
is your response to this seriousness, in which armed officers of the 
state are percieved by segments of the population to be their enemies?

>Praise music (such as the praise CDs 1 - 15) I find uplifting and soothing
>...  Sometimes when my city is really having a hard time, with
>drugs killings and stuff, I put praise music on my CD on REPEAT so
>God doesn't just have to hear the *bad* stuff.

Your religiosity is useless. So are you.

Tom

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         Tom Price  |  tp0x@cs.cmu.edu  |  Simplicity, simplicity
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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:06:57 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER


Michael Jenkinson writes:
>Judgement call?!?!?  I'm surprised Word didn't cancel Warnke's
>contract outright as soon as this surfaced! Judgement call?!?!? They
>supported him fully for the first month, until it was revealed his
>tax-exempt status was gone

Stephen puts on his small timid voice...  Gee, if I was an artist, I
would sure appreciate my record company not abandoninng me at the first
sign of trouble.... but I would understand if at some point, my actions
were such that they were intolerable, that they might have to let me
go.  Just a thought. 
===================================================================
From: mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Guitar Tabs???
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:12:41 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.christian
Organization: NMSU Computer Science


	I've seen in the past some discussion about guitar tabs.  I've
checked with ftp.nevada.edu (which by the way has a large selection),
but unfortunately they don't have much in the way of Christian Music.

	Where can I find tabs for songs by groups like Petra, WhiteCross,
Stryper (ya mean they're Christian???), Mylon & Broken Heart, and any
other Christian group or performer for that matter.

	(BTW, speaking of Mylon & Broken Heart, what's up???  Before I left
for the summer, I saw them in concert and they played a song called
'Master-Peace' from their upcoming album.  Now that I'm back, I find
out that Mylon & Broken Heart have pretty much gone they're separate
ways and that Mylon will be releasing his own album soon.  Will
'Master-Peace' be on it?  Will the other album ever be released?)

																					Craig
																					mwalls@NMSU.Edu
From: will@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Beldin Feldegast)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Address/phone number to True Tunes
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:12:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: dekalb.1992Aug26.221212.18068
Organization: Mallorea

Hey!!

I was wondwering if True Tunes had an 1-800 number
for ordering and if not could somebody give me their
address?

Bill
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: Tangent:  Song of Solomon
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:43:56 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep2.154313.11675@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|> I agree that the Song of Solomon is often interpreted as an analogy for the 
|> love of Christ and the Church.  It's interesting to note, though, that
|> this interpretation was first proposed by Origen, a fourth century
|> theologian.  In other words, twelve hundred years went by after the 
|> boook had been written, and 300+ years went by in the history of the
|> church, before somebody figured out what the book was supposedly all
|> about.  
|> 
|> Origen was kind of a strange guy (he made himself a eunuch, for example,
|> so he wouldn't be tempted by those evil, lascivious fourth century
|> babes), and had a hard time dealing with down-and-dirty fleshy
|> stuff like sexual intercourse and body odor.  So it's not too
|> surprising that he would attempt to "spiritualize" the Song of 
|> Solomon.  It couldn't *really* be about physical love, could it?
|> It must be an allegory of Christ and the Church.
|> 
|> Well, I have no problems if people want to read the book that way.
|> I just think it should be noted that Jews have spent the last three 
|> thousand years and the Christian church spent the first three hundred 
|> years of its existence reading the book as an erotic love poem.  I
|> *like* the fact that a poem about physical love found its way into
|> Scriptures, and I very much appreciate the sanctity and esteem that
|> God seems to hold for that kind of love.  You can read it as an
|> allegory if you want to.  But I like the down-and-dirty parts just
|> fine, and I like the fact that God considers them holy.

Let's also note that our man Solomon was at the opposite extreme as Origen.
With a thousand wives and concubines (almost as many sex partners as Magic
Johnson had), not to mention the fact that most of them worshipped "amoral"
[ahem] idols, I think you'd be pushing it a bit to say that God considered
Solomon's alternate lifestyle "holy."

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From: sumrn@dssv01.crd.ge.com (Robert N. Sum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Anybody know any King's X tunes on guitar?
Keywords: Kings X, guitar tablature and chords
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:38:57 GMT
Reply-To: sumrn@crd.ge.com
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: GE R&D, DICE Program


  I do not specifically know any Kings X tunes, but there is an ftp
site for guitar tabulature that includes some Kings X songs.  (If I
read the index correctly.)  The majority of the archive is general pop/rock.
The site is ftp.nevada.edu in directory pub/guitar.  You use the general
anonymous ftp mechanism to get there (this is not computer script, but
enough to recognize the process):

ftp ftp.nevada.edu
login: anonyomous
Password: [your own net address]
cd pub/guitar

  Then look around a see what's interesting.  Ftp does have some limited
help in case you get stuck.

  Some of you guitarists might also wish to check out the alt.guitar and
alt.guitar.tab news groups.  (There is a move on to get these to the rec.*
groups, but it may/has not happen/ed.)

  Hope this helps,

  -- Bob

==
  sumrn@crd.ge.com

  Robert Sum
  G.E. Corp. R. & D.
  P.O. Box 8, Rm. KW-C277
  Schenectady, NY 12301

  Tel. (518) 387-7696

Please note that the "Standard Disclaimer" applies here.
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:36:42 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep1.203742.426@news.cs.brandeis.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>How about "Dream On" then?  I referred to it before and got no response.  Greg
>Volz didn't change the lyrics or the music when he performed it.  The only
>thing that changed was the performed and the context in which the song was
>peformed, which changed the listeners expectations of the song.  If the song
>can be used in a "Christian" setting, how can it be evil?

I would probably have a hard time with this.  If nothing else, it could be
evil in the sense that it could cause some to stumble (i.e. ME).  With my
history of drug addiction, etc, this song brings back some very unpleasant
memories, and as such would not edify me in the least, in fact, it could
cause some harm...

>
>  -- Scott @Brandeis
>
>                           I asked Jesus,
>                     "How much do you love me?"
>                     "This much," He answered;
>                        and He stretched out
>                         His arms and died.


--
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noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: schouten@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1992Sep2.012945.21637@auc.trw.com>
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:18:25

In article <1992Sep2.012945.21637@auc.trw.com> dmaxwell@auc.trw.com (Doug Maxwell) writes:
> In article <67434@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>>In article <Btwsv5.LGn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson) writes:
>>So just turn you offensometer way down, and just accept the show for what
>>it is-rock and roll.
> As Christians, can we really do that?  Can we say that, "Well most of it
> is ok, so it must be right."  I don't believe that we can. 

Well, we're supposed to be able to take in poison and not be corrupted
by it.  (Slight paraphrase)

Dale Schouten@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jsdonald@david.wheaton.edu (Joel S. Donaldson)
Subject: Re: Michael Card on tour with Phil Keaggy???
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:15:54 GMT

In article <19408@ector.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
>Among those playing instruments on Michael Card's newest album "The
>Word" are Phil Keaggy (accoustic guitar) and Dan Huff (electric
>guitar).
>
>In the thankyou section Michael Card writes this:
>"To Danny and Scott and all who go out on tour, for making the great
>sacrifice of leaving home and family, thanks also to Phil Keaggy for
>you willingness to `condescend to men of low estate' and come out with
>us this fall."
>
>If what he meant is that they will tour together it would definitely
>be something to see.  If not, its a good way to start a rumor %^).
>
>Carl

Well, Michael Card and Phil Keaggy are comming to Wheaton College on October 3
for a concert.  The official signs say:

Wheaton College Presents.....

Michael Card and friends

  featuring Phil Keaggy and Chamber Orchestra


So at least they are comming here together!

Wheaton College Stage Manager
Joel Donaldson
jsdoanald@david.wheaton.edu
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Kim Hill CD for trade
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:49:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I just bought Kim Hill's "Brave Heart" CD.  It's my first Kim Hill 
purchase, and I don't care for it.  I'd like to trade it for any
of the following:

Rich Mullins -- CD with the dog on it, "Awesome God" also on it
    (don't know the name)

Michael Card -- Anything except the life of Christ trilogy, which I have

Amy Grant -- Lead Me On

Charlie Peacock -- selected stuff

I'm open to other suggestions.  If you're interested, please email me.

Thanks.


-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
            -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: Address/phone number to True Tunes
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug26.221212.18068@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu> will@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Beldin Feldegast) writes:
>Hey!!
>
>I was wondwering if True Tunes had an 1-800 number
>for ordering and if not could somebody give me their
>address?

Here is the excerpt from the FAQ (which will be seeing its monthly
posting this Friday) on the subject:

	True Tunes			708-665-3866
	210 W. Front St.
	Wheaton, IL 60187
		Tend to go after the 'alternate' crowd a little more, in that
		they offer sales on artists that mainstream outfits don't.
--
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   I was never too wild about politics, I was never too keen on school.
       I was never too easy with strangers, but I'm easy with you.
               All About You / The Call / Modern Romans
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: The Brave
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:23:42 GMT

My apologies if this topic has been covered.

Any personal review of The Brave "Battle Cries" out there?

I have the one done by Brian Q in CCM, and of course, he likes it. And
hey, has *anyone* not liked something that's come from John and Dino?

But all that aside, I'd like to know if anyone has it, and if so, what
they think of it.

Any replies gratefully received. Post or e-mail, your choice.

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:44:30 GMT

In <Btp2nF.884@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward) writes:

>Could someone please mail me a short summary of what has happened since
>the initial story (by CCM) came out.  All I knew was that Mike had issued
>a denial.  When and why did the IRS revoke his tax-exempt status?

>Just Curious.

This courtesy the Aug. 24 edition of National and International
Religion Report: (in summary form, not verbatim)

Word pulled Warnke's stuff a month after the Lexington, KY,
Herald-Leader disclosed that the IRS revoked the tax-exempt status of
Warnke's ministry last fall, a ruling under appeal. The newspaper
raised questions about ministry practices and finances, luxury perks,
high salaries, etc. paid to Warnke when his ministry--little more than
a telephone referral service--was ailing.

Warkne attorney Michael Conover was quoted as saying revocation of the
tax-exempt status might be a blessing, "Mike becomes a company again,
the government takes a little bit, and we're done with it."

End story.

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke)
Subject: Re: Beautiful Women in CCM
Reply-To: peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke)
Organization: Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:30:04 GMT


In <mjenkins.715370314@cunews>, Michael Jenkinson writes:
> 
> Looking through my CCM today, I was
> struck by how many ads show beautiful girls with perfect hair, and an
> expensive wardrobe, and perfect lipstick, promoting their new albums.
> It makes me wonder, are their any, uhh, unattractive people in
> Christian music today? So many new artists seem to be signed for their
> "marketability." They gotta be cute, perky, and thin (in the case of
> women) and rugged, long-haired and leather, or perfect, short-haired
> and pure, in the case of men.

_The Door_ had an interesting article in the July/August 92 issue
called "Is Christianity only meant for beautiful women?" Here is a
small sample:

    "One thing is certain. It is going to take guts on the part of
    Christian advertisers and publishers to stop feeding the false
    image of the ideal woman because, as Schultze* notes, gender appeals
    *do* work -- especially in our culture.

    "In a consumer culture, it's very effective," he says. "A consumer
    culture is future-oriented, not tradition-oriented. People assume
    that they can *become* something rather than be driven by
    tradition and history."

    In a consumer culture, Schultze says our identities are more
    easily shaped by mass media, by products that provide a way for us
    to reach the culturally defined ideal."

* Quentin Schultze, professor of communication arts and sciences at
Calvin College.
-- 
Peter Mielke                                              peter@doe.utoronto.ca
University of Toronto, Dictionary of Old English Project  utzoo!utdoe!peter
From: kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Warnke Article
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:27:25 GMT
Reply-To: kent@adc.nsc.com (Kent Waterson)
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

I've been a fan of Mike Warnke for a long time.  I would like to read the article
that triggered all the discussion.  I can't FTP anywhere to download it, so could
some kind soul mail it to me?  Thanks

Kent

(kent@adc.nsc.com)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Which music amoral??
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:19:37 GMT

In article <Btyr22.9FI.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
>
>Look, you idiot... 
>
>...You have no knowledge to the contrary, and, since
>you are commanded to love him as yourself -- you idiot -- you therefore
>must, as part of that love, assume that he is acting in good faith unless
>you have strong evidence to the contrary. You have no such evidence. Your 
>accusations that Ice-T is completely money-hungry and lacking in integrity 
>are unsupported and unChristian. Please learn something about the social 
>conditions he is attempting to represent.
[...]
>Your religiosity is useless. So are you.

While I appreciate and respect your indignation at the apparently
ignorant response on the part of Christians and others to Ice-T's
lyrics, and I agree completely with your point about assuming that he
is acting in good faith, I must take exception to your inflammatory
presentation, which serves only to break down the lines of
communication, and embodies the very qualities that you are so harshly
criticizing in others.

It is also hard for me to discern precisely what you mean by
"unChristian", since "Christian" is properly used as a noun, not an
adjective.  "Christian" used as an adjective defines Christianity by
behavioral standards, which will differ from person to person, and
which (IMHO) misses the entire point.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian