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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: I met Woncheol Choi
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:16:36 GMT

In article <C15ttu.46t@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.bell.ca writes:
>In article <8fKmNU600VpbE2ZV8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Rikiya Asano 
          <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>|> Feel guilt. You damn right I feel guilt! And, I feel pain too and I feel
>|> tried of feeling this way. But, I know that it is human! There are no
>|> words that I can express that would represent to pain and sorrow in my
>|> heart. This is intensifying the frustration. 
>
>Ah??? Is this article to be taken seriously???
>Suppose I have a friend and he murders someone. What he does is his 
>responsibility. Now, if I had suspected that he was about to do something
>"bad" then I would feel guilty and ashamed that I did not do something to 
>prevent it from happening. I am Korean but am not reponsible for the actions
>of all Koreans especially if it happened years ahead of my existence. I
>have a Japanese Friend but I don't hold him responsible for what Japanese 
>people did years ago before his existence.  Richard Park	

But, what if the government which represent him, refuses to
redress the wrong, let alone acknowledge it, is it not
reasonable to feel ashamed of the government which refuse
to right the past wrongs.  Miajawa(sp?) on his last visit to ROK
promised compensation for the JunSinDae; but, once back
to his country has forgotten his words.  YSKim has made request
for Japanese government to finally admit fully what transpired
in the past. We shall see if anything have changed.

It is good to forgive; this I totally agree.
But, let me ask you, do you know what you are forgiving?
AND how can you forgive, when apology was never requested 
in first place.  Can you look into old wrinkled face of 
grandmother who experienced the unspeakable, and say out 
proudly, "I am an enlightened person; thus, I am going to 
forgive Japanese totally!   ..AND..   I will forgive 
Japanese in name of you and all these who suffered!"
Remember there are still survivor who committed these wrong,
as well as these who were victims (who by the way has never
been compensated.)

Let me ask, how well are you versed in this part of history?
I will give you the benefit of doubt that you are not speaking 
from igorance.

Take care,

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Hello!
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:36:09 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Hello! All the netters on soc.culture.korean out there.  I am 
very glad to read this newgroup. I would like to participate in
writing and reading to this group. I think there are not many 
people who read and write on this group from Korea. Does anyone
know why? I am very sure there must be a lot of people using computer
and using this kind of news board. 

I also would like to meet some computer science in undergrad because
I am in undergrad Va Tech. Girls would be better!!!!!!!

Once again, I am very glad to meet you all. See you.....

O L   L =|
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From: jhkim@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Jeong-hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Hello!
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:11:28 GMT

Bobby Richardson (bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote:
: I think there are not many 
: people who read and write on this group from Korea. Does anyone
: know why? I am very sure there must be a lot of people using computer
: and using this kind of news board. 

I think a lot of people read this group in Korea, but the network is
very slooooow, eg., I saw your article just today, Thu Jan 28. So it's
difficult to keep up with hot threads.
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,ba.market.misc
Subject: Round trip ticket from LAX to Seoul, Korea.
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:02:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
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From: shin@clover.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Koreans in former USSR
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:08:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.043433.5527@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>Koreans in Uzbekstan,
>
>Recently there has been many sad news that has been coming out of former
>Soviet Union.  Most of the news have been from Uzbekstan and Kazakstan 
> ...

I challenge netters on this: in a quite childish brawl with certain Ahn "the 
Ultimate Korean" at SUNY Buffalo back then (still there?) some 2 or 3 years 
ago, it was pointed out that what if the descendents of Koreans in now defu-
nct USSR becomes target of persecution as Andrew SH Kim described above wit-
hin similar circumstances.  My challenge is whether netters recall circumst-
ances back then when some people even got to the point of joking in the net
calling for something of "alt.korean.deadheads," etc.  Well, eat the dust.
And, yes, sadly I must brag while I have to read pinholes (probably due to 
ignorance) asking for love-but-no-hate when it comes to Japan's revisionism
of history which is not a matter of love-hate, but of accountability and of
termination of vestiges and symbolisms of Imperial Militaristic Japan still 
alive and well in Japan.
From: JEFFR@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Jae Bu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Email to Soongshil U?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:57:59 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi, I am trying to find out if it is possible to send email to a friend
on the political science faculty at Soongshil U. His name is Suh Byong
Hoon. Anyone know if this is possible? Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, and Happy New Year!!

Jeff Ryan (Ra Jae Bu)
"Irish by birth, Korean by marriage!"
jeffr@uafsysb.uark.edu
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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: education system
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:23:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.185827.4238@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>Very misleading statement.  Where did these stress in American student
>>originate, does it originate from pressure to do well in the college 
>>entrance exam, like these in Korea?  Did stress in American students 
>>derive from pressure to excel in school work?  

>Not exactly from college entrance exam, but from test and school life.
>I think the different stress level from the school comes from
>its different education system.
>
>Giltsu Choi.

I think everyone will agree with this statement:
BOTH Korean and American educational system require major changes.

American kids have pressure from 'test and school life' (let's
assume this is true); howver, these kids have wide variety of
extracurricular activities available to them, which can be used 
to aleviate the pressure : numerous clubs, sports, music, theater, 
etc.etc.....  Thinking about it, pressure from all these
extra activities can be stressing :)

Korean kids have pressure from entrance exam, and they have
so many ways to aleviate its pressure: please help me
with this....

Oh, how I envy these kids in Korea with 'less' pressure than
kids in America.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
From: jung@yuling.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Carl Im)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Korean Fonts without Serifs
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:25:17 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: yuling.physics.lsa.umich.edu

Hello, everyone, I am looking for a particular Korean Font on
any computer whose characters look like they written with a brush
(BUT WITH NO SERIFS).  Even if no such font is available, I would
like any information on this font or caligraphic style.  The kind of 
information I need are: 1. Is there a name for such a font?
2. Is there a book of examples of this font? (I happen to know that
there is such a book for Chinese for several different styles of
caligraphy)

Carl Im
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: daechul@aliphatic.ecn.purdue.edu (Daechul Cho)
Subject: LaTex Question
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:34:33 GMT



  Hello, netters,

Somebody know how to number Figures put in LaTex document
according to chapters, like Fig. 2.1, 2.2,.... 3.1,3.2,... etc.?
The default is to number consecutively beginning with 1.

Please e-mail to me if you have an idea.


 Daechul Cho (daechul@ecn.purdue.edu) 
       Dept of Chem. Eng'g           
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       Dept of Chem. Eng'g            | but love Barley tea a lot
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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Music education (Re: education system)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:12:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.023638.26848@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>Let me throw in a monkey wrench here.  Few counter examples.
>
>Child prodigies such as Mozart and Beethoven had very overbearing
>father who physically forced them to long hours of practice.
[...]
>Of course, one could come up with counter examples....
>Nothing is so black and white it seems.

The topic at hand was "enjoyment" of music (or any art).  I was responding
to the fact that music teachers in school cannot teach enough.  Your
examples are limited to the pro of the pros.  Not a fair comparison.

So, I still think students should be given freedom to find what they like
and explore it, even if some of them go south.  The rest will reach a level
(in a field of their choice) that they would have not reached under a
structured, uniform, spoonfed environment.  Unless, of course, these
students do not know what they want.

>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: copyright
Organization: The Loyal Taxpayers
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:09:06 GMT

In article <1k71o6INNgj4@emx.cc.utexas.edu> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee) writes:
>     Minor correction: As far as I remember, Korean was evicted of MFN status
>     quite long time back.

	Really????  Can someone confirm this?
>
>     The porblem is that copyright burden is not limited in only computer
>industry. The other industries, such as chemical, electronic appliances,
>pharmaceutic, especially semicondutor coputer chip industry, have to pay a
>lot.

	And the benefits of protecting patents and copyrights also apply
to all the other industries.  IMHO, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.
>
>    Still they are making too much money from Korea even though totoal revenue
>   of IBM Korea is about .5% of total IBM revenue.  It's becoming a de
>facto monopoly in Korean mainframe market.  I wish I could here them. :-)

	IBM has a de facto monopoly in any mainframe market.  Their PC and
workstation markets are shrinking faster than you can say "Sun" or "Apple",
but as far as mainframes are concerned IBM still has a strangle-hold on
everyone.  Furthermore, Korea doesn't even have competition in the mainframe
market unlike the US, Japan or EC, so IBM can charge as much as they want
and get away; it's just a good market sense.  This also means whether
you pay for one copy of, say, OS/2 or fifty copies, Korean companies do not
benefit.  Granted 0.5% of total IBM revenue, but you'd better obey the law
before IBM decides to turn weaklings like Korean companies into a scapegoat.
With their profits falling faster than a hammer on Jupiter, you don't know
what those crazy IBM legaloids and marketoids are going to do.

>

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From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: education system
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:22:39 GMT

About all this talk about the superiority of Korean and American
educational systems...

I guess the general competitiveness of the students, number of geniuses
produced, etc can all be a good yardstick to measure a country's education
system.  You can probably use the data you like to make your argument, and
that's fine.  But look at it this way.  You might be able to prove that one
education system might be good for the country, but is it good for YOU, too?
Which education system is good for YOUR KID?

School is a place to teach you the knowledges, but it also is the place
that helps you to grow up.  It should provide the environment that you can
find about yourself and your future.  I remember I studied really hard in
high school to go to the best possible college and I did.  But when I
entered the college, I didn't have a slightest clue what I wanted to do,
because I was busy studying for test to find it out.  I chose my major 
not because I liked it, but because I thought it was a good field.  Got it?
I only saw the future of the field, but I did not see future me in that
field.  Rather, I couldn't, because I didn't know how.

This is what James meant about "odd-balls" vs. "average".  You don't get
too much chance to be *different*.  In highschool, you are all assumed to
have the same goal - getting into the good college - and you are all treated
the same way.  The world is pretty simple then.  Once you get into the
college, you are suddenly told that you are on your own and world is
suddenly more complicated.  You start to find out who you really are and
what you really want.  Sometimes you realize the major you chose in
highschool was not what you thought it to be, so you want to change but the
*system* does not allow you to do that.  Switching major is generally
restricted and you will have to either learn to like what you have, or the
hell with it and start all over, or keep being confused and frustrated.  In
any case, it's either a waste of time or a way to achieve mediocrity at
best.

I guess people speak from their experiences.  James must have went through
a tremendous mental trauma(?) because of the mae he got in highschool.  I
am saying this as a person who started as a former Math major who got a
degree in Computer Science who is working at Wall Street.  Granted, finding
himself is a challenging task in any educational system, and something
everyone has to face for the rest of his life, but sorry, my *system*
didn't even help me.

I don't have any regrets, and I think I learned a lot during the struggles
I had and I like to think I doing fine(!), but...  Sometimes I can't help
thinking about what I could have been and what would it be like to be an
"odd-ball".  I don't dwell on it, but I know my kid will be faced with
similar situation, and I want to be there to help him to get what he(she)
wants.

Andy Kim
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: I met Woncheol Choi
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:30:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofMVhV_00iV2E4l90Y
	<C15ttu.46t@animal.er.bell.ca>
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. RPark writes:

.

>Ah??? Is this article to be taken seriously???
>Suppose I have a friend and he murders someone. What he does is his 
>responsibility. Now, if I had suspected that he was about to do something
>"bad" then I would feel guilty and ashamed that I did not do something to 
>prevent it from happening. I am Korean but am not reponsible for the actions
>of all Koreans especially if it happened years ahead of my existence. I
>have a Japanese Friend but I don't hold him responsible for what Japanese 
>people did years ago before his existence.


Yes! I'm as serious as a heart attack! Although, you put up a great
arguement about responsibility, your arguement is ignorant of the
meaning of Honor. And, maybe the feeling of shame/anger when that Honor
is stained. I feel that if you were to think in these terms you'll have
a different perspective!
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Comfortable seats on a KAL flight
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:03:55 GMT
Organization: What Org?
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu
Keywords: KAL, planes, seating

In article <C1KJu0.Fr6@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> m2choi@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Margaret Haag) writes:
>My problem is this.  I am recently married to a wonderful
>man whose only fault is that he is one foot taller than me
>(6'3").  Also, he doesn't really much like being on planes
>for a long period of time.

	I haven't tried First class but I've tried business class
	couple of times (of course, someone else paid for me).
	But even business class won't completely satisfy 6'3" but
	will be much better than econ. class.

	Actually, I cannot stand that long hours of flight; so
	I ususally make my trip plan to stop everywhere I can
	possible stop and stay. For example, if you go by
	United, you can stop at S.F, Hawaii, Tokyo, Seoul..
	(I'm not quire sure right now though since it was
	few years ago.). oops! I forgot you're going from Canada..
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From: jkim@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RE : Hangul for MSDOS
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:43:08 GMT

Some simple (or maybe useful) hangul word processors are at 
            cbubbs.chungbuk.ac.kr
            cd pub/word/bin
            cd pub/hangul/bin
            cd pub/win/bin
I hope it will help you.
            jkim@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Music education (Re: education system)
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:05:22 GMT

phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>So, I still think students should be given freedom to find what they like
>and explore it, even if some of them go south.  

But at the same time, we have to ENFORCE kids to learn Math, Fyzix,
Chemical language and Biology (well, let's include computer too), 
which I think is neccessary to understand nature and to survive 
in this scientific and information-explosion era.

Giltsu Choi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: education system
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:58:27 GMT

andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:

]>>According to the same article, however, Americanmerican students get the higest
>>stress from the school contrary to our belief.
>
>Very misleading statement.  Where did these stress in American student
>originate, does it originate from pressure to do well in the college 
>entrance exam, like these in Korea?  Did stress in American students 
>derive from pressure to excel in school work?  

Not exactly from college entrance exam, but from test and school life.
I think the different stress level from the school comes from
its different education system.

Giltsu Choi.
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: education system
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:52:23 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan22.015454.11941@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>So I think that accusing Asian education system as rote memorization
>is BASELESS.
>
>Giltsu Choi. 

The above can be true.  But I have somewhat different experiences.
When I was in middle school, we had to take high school enterance exam.
And music was included.  Some of popular questions in music test was :

Given some scores from famous classical music (like Beethoven's 
Symphony No.5, or Dvorak's Symphony New World, ...etc),  who composed the
music ? or what is name of the music ?

The intension is good.  The students need to listen to classical music
and also they need to read scores.

Unfortunately, it does not work in that way.  We were forced to 
memorize  LOTS of music equations ( 8-( ) :

    Mi Mi Mi Do Re Re Re Si  =  Beethoven's Symphony No. 5  Destiny
      ...etc

Aa result, students know (I am not sure whether "know" is the appropriate
word here, maybe "memorized") lots of musicians and classical music, 
even though they never heard of it (or heard of it only partly).

What surprised me when I came to usa was that most American students
were too ignorant about the above classical music stuff, but they
can ACTUALLY play music.  On the contrary, many Koreans think that
they know music, since they memorized something like the above.

It is not because music teachers are stupid in Korea.
They know that the method is stupid.  But if they have to make more
students to pass the exam and they don't have enough facilities and
teachers (usually 1 or 2 pianos and  2 music teachers for 2,000 students 8-( ),
what can they do ?
I don't know how they teach Music now in Korea.
I hope the situation be better.

Moral : Donate your money to Korean Education.


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