HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:24:40 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1bl1p2INNk4n@agate.berkeley.edu>, bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi
Lin) writes:
|> 	What I heard was that Chiang stripped the island to support the war
|> effort on mainland.  Those boulevards are gone because the KMT decided the
|> roads don't have to be that wide and built on top of them.

please use some common sense. How could this be possible?
Lift the existing paveways and build on them. What about the houses
the was already facing the road? Taiwan was not as crowded as today.
What did Chiang or KMT build?

Give me hard evidence and I will apologize, otherwise stop using the
term such as "What I heard".

BTW, I do not care much about what you say about the old Chiang.
It is just use that to say Japanese are anyway better is not acceptable
to me.

918 just passed and people are talking how to make the japanese
emporer apologize the chinese people when he visited china.

Where does these japanese kiss uppers came from?

|> -- 
|>
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|> "He's dead, Jim."
|> "But that's impossible!"
|> 
|> Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
|> Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
|> University of California at Berkeley
|>
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From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:04:38 GMT
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University

In article MwG@cs.psu.edu, echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>	Last time I was in Beijing I still hear people call it Da4 Si4la4r.
>Neither Za nor Sha.  :-)  Actually it is something between Si4 and Ci4...
>Never heard anyone call it San Lan.

Da4 Shi0 Lar4, actually.  I add a `0' after the `Shi' because `Shi' is very
lightly pronounced.

Sometimes it is difficult to express Beijing Hua in PinYin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kai1@dasher.uucp (Kai Chiu)
Subject: Re: Dui Lian
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.185859.20579@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>In article <9210061725.AA04677@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>>
>>          Liang3 biao3 chou2 san3 gu4
>>          yi2 dui4 zu2 qian1 qiu1
>>
>This reminds me another one about Zhuge Lian, of which I can only remember
>Bu4 8 Gua4, Qu3 2 Zhou1, 7 Qin2 Meng4Huo4, 6 Chu1 Qi2Shan1, 5 Zhang4 Yuan1
>Zhen3 49 Zhan3 Min2 Deng1, 1 Shen1 Zhi3 Wei4 Chou2 3 Gu4.
>

I also find dui4 or Shi1Ci2 with embedded numbers interesting. Many
years ago when I first met my wife I wrote the following to amuse
her and her family. First some background: She has a nick name
Xiao3 (little) Mi1 and her sister is called Da (big) Mi1. At the
time she was in Seattle and her sister in New York, both students.
Her father (last name Ye4 (leaf)) was in S. California, a visiting 
scholar, and her mother (last name Huang (yellow)) still in China. 

Here it goes, hope it won't bore you:

  Da4 Mi3 Xiao3 Mi3 Sheng1 Liang3 An4
 (big rice small rice grow 2 coasts)

  Lao3 Ye4 Huang2 Ye4 Piao1 yi1 yang2
 (old leaf yellow leaf floating 1 ocean)

  Meng4 Li3 San1 Shuang1 Dai4 Lei4 Yan3
 (dream middle 3 pair bring tear eyes)

  Shu1 Zhong1 si di chou2 xin1 chang2
 (letter middle 4 place worry heart intestines)

  Fan2 Lai2 Wu3 Nei4 Ho3 Yu4 Fen2
 (annoy come 5 guts fire to burn)
 
  Qing chuan2 liu4 he2 xin1 shao1 chang2
 (feeling goes 6 together heart a bit long) 

  lao3 da4 ju1 qi1 chou2 qi7 xi1
 (old big haven't expect worry 7 evening) 

  Shao4 xiao3 yi3 nen2 zhou3 ba1 fang
 (young small already can walk 8 directions)

  ci3 xin1 jiu9 qu3 shui2 kou3 jei3
 (this heart 9 turns who can understand)

  hua2 cheng2 Shi2 li3 cu4 cu4 shang1!
 (fancy city 10 miles everywhere hurt).


 Well, looking back to those struggling days when we first came 
 to this country, I say the life is but a draam......  


 Kai Chiu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: at which point compromise can be reached
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:01:32 GMT

In article <2ADE16FC.4504@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)  
writes:
> 1. if those blood carders can convince the US legislators to rename that 
>    bill by the "special immigration bill for Chinese nationals", and if
>    those blood carders can convince the US government to change the content
>    of the bill to "any Chinese who feels dangerous to return [to China] can
>    apply for this special immigration program [either came be4 04/11/90 or
>    after]", I and my 9201 colleagues will immediately terminate our effort;
> 
> 2. if those blood carders can collectively write a staement in which they
>    declare that most of them do not have danger to go home, and that all
>    they need is easy green card, then, I and my 9201 colleagues will
>    immediately terminate our effort.
> 
> 3. Here is my statement: I do NOT care how many green cards those blood
>    carders have--I am simply not interested in green card itself.  All I
>    am concerned is: I do NOT like to see people rape justice.  Today, you
>    have the advantage to rape others, how do you feel if peopel rape you 
>    later on when they get advantages?  Never dream to terminate our effort
>    through other means such as attacking Shannon Yeh personally, separtaing 
>    the key 9201 people--these just do NOT work!  Zuo Zhiqi, have you been 
>    pulled out from 9201 by blood carders?  Zhang SHuren, have you been pulled 
>    out from 9201 by blood carders?  
> 
> shannon
> -------

Shannon, noboday care whether you (I tend to believe your group is a  
one-man-band) terminate your effort or not. If you continue, you only increase  
your possibility that later you are sued and sentenced. Only people who like  
you (I don't think there are many) will suggest you to terminate.  Also, I  
think Zuo Zhiqi, Zhang Shuren and so on had already deserted. 

So, if you want to terminate, just terminate quietly and save your face. I'd  
rather you continue your effort.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:33:29 GMT

Just got the expected response (SCC is always like that :-)

In article <1992Oct9.005150.945@news.iastate.edu> 
txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>In <BvtFDo.F1z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>                ......
>>Where are the "CSS" in Japan NOW when Japanese Emperor visits China without 
>>saying a word of sorry about what Japan did to China in World War II?
>>While CSS in the U.S., Canada, Australia sent portest letter to Japanese 
>>Gov't.
>> ... ...
>No comment on other stuffs, but the above argument looks like Qiang2 Ci2
>Duo2 Li3. Where were the CSS in US NOW when Bush announced to sell 150 F-16

You got it damned right, that's the effect and comment EXPECTED by CAREFULLY
following the logic of the ORIGINAL posting, and now you see how absurd the 
ORIGINAL article and THE SUBJECT LINE are :-)

BTW, the poster of the original article certainly does not represent CSS in
Japan though he spoke like he does (he must have learned from Shannon Yeh :-)

>to Taiwan? Do they(or we) say a word about it? They(or we) made a lot of
>noise in the US against China(or CG if you insist). Have they(or we) said
>anything against the interest of US? Sending a protest letter to Japanese
>government is nothing because they(or we) do not live in Japan.

You are right and I agree with you, but the original subject article DOES
NOT admit this or pretended not to have the matter, now hopefully he/she
is aware of that with your enlightment :-)

>Please do not be too harsh to others. I believe surviving in Japan is much
>harder than in the US, an immigrant country. Doing sth against Japan in
>Japan requires more guts than doing sth against US in the US.

You are RIGHT again, the only problem was that THE POSTER of the original 
article (who does NOT represent CSS in Japan) has more guts to bash on fellow
CSS in the U.S. than doing anything against Japanese Emperor :-)

Let's stop this nonsense, it was NOT intended to be harsh with another group
of CSS, instead, it's designed for those who "don't need the protection and
facing Chinese people" on SCC (probably representing Chinese people too :-)

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Protection Bill Signed into Law.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:03:52 GMT


From newsgroup iu.china:

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4054      October 9, 1992
                Protection Act Signed Into Law
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


                 Protection Bill Signed Into Law
                 =============================== 

     Five minutes ago, at 10:50 a.m. this morning, we learned
from Senator Gorton's office that the President had signed 
S1216, the Chinese Student Protection Act. Then, we contacted 
the White House and the news was confirmed.

     The HQ believes this victory is the result of the common efforts
of thousands of American friends as well as Chinese students and
scholars and wishes to thank all those who have worked hard in 
the past week to promote the presidential signature.

     Please keep tunned for more information.


***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
From: zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: who and what is shannon yeh?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:18:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw3AF8.GKz
Organization: University of Delaware

As the subject says.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:11:42 GMT

In article <ld91ueINNs05@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>As I know of, the Beijing opera performs in Taiwan that word is still
>pronounced to be Kuai. I just had very good Mandarin teachers, husband and
>wife both from Bei Shi Da. There is no way to read it as Hui.

I didn't say Kuai was wrong but I did heard Hui in Beijing operas and 
occationally Gui in other places. I would not simply say which one is 
right and which one is wrong. I just report what I heard. 
One of my friend was used to attack Tang3 Shi4 out of rhythm (Bu4 Ya1 Yun4). 
The fact is that the pronounciation
of many Chinese charactor had changed. If you really proved any one of 
the three is absolutely wrong or right, let me know so I will not argue
for something wrong later. Thank you in advance.
Talking about Bei Shi Da, I myself came from Bei Da, but I do have something
which I do not know -- this is not the point to support an argument.
BTW: I did not recognize "Quei" when you wrote "Wu San Quei" in your previous 
post. Could you kindly tell me what is your original meaning?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jiang@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Fenglai Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: for your sake
Keywords: blood card?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:09:13 GMT
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

In article <2AD99229.24089@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>i consulted a couple of people, and they told me that the blood cardd for
>blood carders could not 100% guranteed.  And obviously, we 9201 people do 
>not like to end the fights right now.  (By the way, some blood carders
>used many rude words with me after they thought they finally got their
>blood cards.)
>
>So, don't count your blood card as the sure thing.  We 9201 people will use
>whatever resource we have to bring this fight to the very end.
>
>shannon
>-------

Dear Shannon,
In your articles, you keep talking about "blood card".  I don't think that is a right word. If you like thr word, still you can not blame on CSSs for that.  Think about who put blood on the cards? It is the dictator in Beijing who made the Tiananmen Square massacre.  It seems you found wrong fighting objectives.  You should fight agaist the dictators in Beijing.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:20:06 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
 <mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus> <Bw2DBn.F17@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

Well, Chinese characters are changing all the time.  In fact the non-simplified
characters that the 26 million non-mainlanders like to use are also simplified
characters, comparing to Jiaguwen (oracle-bone characters).  Therefore it is
not legitimate to suspect the intelligence of the mainlanders who find the
simplified characters easy to learn.  Furthermore, characters are a media of
information, as long as they can transfer message,they are good.  Well, you
might want to try it: use simplified characters to write a $1 million check to
someone who hates simplified characters, you'll see how s/he enjoys your
handwriting!
Luo
From: LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ******* FREE CREDIT CARDS *******
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:42:52 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

For GM MarsterCard: 1-800-8GM-CARD;

For GE Reward CARD: 1-800-GE-Reward.

I got an AT&T Universal Visa in 1990, and is lifetime membership free.

Lynn
From: v243lwfy@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Guoqing Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Looking for friends at NCSU
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct13.203131.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, j0luo001@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes...
>Jianbin Luo
> 
	try ph 9198338453 or 9195157228 for the first one
   	and       6648445 or      53937 for the next

	good luck and enjoy contacting!
From: lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9201 people will be more active
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:23:07 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct14.014740.6953@usl.edu> kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng) writes:
>In article <Bw0Hwq.HFu@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>(deleted)
>I like your proposal.  Green card is not a big problem if someone can  
>just give your one or you earn one for yourself. But to mislead the  
>public  by portraiting china as a most unhumanitic and most dangerous
>place to live on purpose is not good. Our country is not that bad.
>Poor does not necessarily mean evil.  I support this proposal because
>I believe what Eddie proposed is much better than lobbying the America
>to punish China.              

Well, basically I don't disagree with Eddie, and I thank Sanyee, Bo, for
their advices. But it is unfair to blame CSS for misleading ...

It is obvious, USA is an immigration country, Canada is another, Australia
is another. Is there any more? Maybe Fiji? These immigration countres need
high quality immigrants. But morally, and by mutual agreement, they should
send J-1 students back to developping countries. That is why there is a
two yr blah balh. It is 6-4, offered them a good excuse to keep these
students. Swiss, probably loves human right no less than USA. But Swiss
simply does not like immigrants. Any one can lobby Swiss to "protect"
CSS there? Japan? UK?

That is what I mean "natural". I have said these for years. There was no
need to lie. And it is not CSS's faulty to lie.

Well, a "lobby task force" (something like that) of a university suggests
the protection of CSS coming after 4-11-90 is easy, because there might
be another 6-4 next year. Well, my goodness, whether CSS of group B should
thank this "goodwill"? Are they responsible to such "goodwill"?
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
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Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: Shannon's message got through
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:48:52 GMT

In article <9210121759.AA28673@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>          Congratulations to Shannon, your message got through.
>                    This is just to help you to distribute your message.
>
>          TY
>
>            -------------------------------------------------------------
>From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
>Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered
>Subject: An open letter to the US employers
>Date: 10 Oct 92 01:04:55 GMT
>Lines: 18
>
>Dear Employers in the US:
>
>Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
>refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those
>refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they
>faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how
>dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.
>
>I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
>compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
>cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and
>other US legislators.  Thank you.
>
>Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
>Irvine, California
>
>PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate the justice raped by those
>    Chinese students and the US legislators.
>

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise, the letter certainly indicates 
discrimination which is a crime in US. Unless Shannon Yeh is a idiot, 
people who got interview but not hired by his company can use this 
letter or post to sue him. 

___
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dxl@philabs.philips.com (Du Li)
Subject: Re: i am a spy? if so, it would be interesting
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:16:26 GMT

In article <2ADB58B0.9521@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>If i act as a spy, i will hide myself in a corner and watch you blood carders
>and make report to someone in somewhere.  but the fact is: Shannon Yeh 
>publically stood up and fighted with those blood carders.
>
>Shannon Yeh has his own plan, and he is not a stupid man--he knows how to
>Jiao(foot)Ta(step)Shi(real)Di(earth) to reach his goal.  
>
>shannon
>-------

So far, it seems to me that shannon did not use the best way to approach
his goal.  The best way for shannon to avoid the enact of the bill
is to lobby CG releasing all political prisoners, making sure free speech
and free assembly INSIDE CHINA, and respecting other basic human right.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:49:49 GMT

In article <81507@ut-emx.uucp> onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew) writes:
>
>Who is responsible for making the changes, I don't know and I'd love to know.
>I'm against the change though.  I agree that language changes as time goes 
>by.  However, imposed change like what the PRC did to Chinese char only 
>renders meaning and prettiness to simplicity.
>
     It is the Communists in Mainland China who made these changes to increase
literacy rate.  Using a simplified writing system, they can easily teach 
simple-minded Mainland peasants to read and write.
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Oct9.174235.9024@news.iastate.edu>,
txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
|> In <1992Oct9.163201.19625@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu
Chang) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli
|> >Pan) writes:
|> 
|> >|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
|> >|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
|> >|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.
|> 
|> >May be that something went wrong was 30% education budget was spent evenly
|> >among the students. Take ROC's living standard into consideration, the
|> >tuition and fees for public and private universities is almost nothing.
|> 
|> >Anyone who wants to go to college and passes the test can go.
|> >No matter how poor you are, no matter what your background is red or black.
|> 
|> It is the same in mainland China. Anyone who wants to go to college
and passes
|> the test can go. No matter how poor you are, no matter what background you
|> have. Plus, there is absolutely no tuition in China!!! "red or black"
has not
|> been a factor in college admission in China for more than 10 years. It is
|> interesting to see people from Taiwan always think the current China as the
|> China in Culture Revolution. What causes that?

I did not accuse china of anything. All I said was what taiwan does.
So, it was great that china has a better system than that of ten years ago.

It is interesting to see people from china always being so defensive of the
faults they had in the past or they have now. What causes that?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: UPDATE ON THE ACTIVITIES IN HONG KONG REGARDING EMPEROR AKIHITO'S VISIT
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:26:09 GMT


The Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union, the Chinese Alliance for
Commemoration of the Sino-Japanese War Victims, the China Youth Service
& Recreation Centre, and the Reparation Association, H.K. have come up
concrete plans for the activities before and during Emperor Akihito's 
visit to China:

1. The 4 organizations will continue to collect signatures for requesting 
   the Emperor to apologize and to compensate for Japan's war crimes.  
   With the effort of HKPTU, the campaign has now spreaded to all the 
   primary and secondary schools in Hong Kong.  The four organizations 
   will set up signature booths at more than 10 MTR stations on 10/17-18.  
   Last time about 34,000 signatures were collected at 5 MTR stations in 
   2 days.

2. A full-page advertisment will be printed in Ming Pao on 10/23, the
   day the Emperor lands on Chinese soil.

3. On 10/25 (Sun), a public event will be held in Victoria Park at 3pm.  
   Student organizations from 7 tertiary institutes will also put up an 
   exhibition on the Sino-Japanese War.  After the event, the crowd will 
   process to the Japanese Consul to deliver a letter of protest and the 
   signatures collected.  A copy of "Magee's Testament" (the only
   documentary on the Nanking Massacre) will also be delivered to the
   Consul --  the idea is to educate the Japanese on what they have been 
   kept denying.  (In fact the same can be done at the Japanese Consul 
   around the world.)

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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