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From: clg308@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: TORIES AND THE SELFISH,AROGANT ENGLISH
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:41:12 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Having once again as a Scot had a FACIST(sorry conservative) goverment inflicted
on us by the actions of the selfish english the time has now come for Scotland 
to get on with it on thier on.
The fact is as long of the people in England vote tory, Scotland will also have
to suffer them.The tories have not only taken us into the longest reccession 
ever, but are slowly wiping out the N.H.S,our schools.They have no regard for
the less fortunate;the old,the frail,the sick,the children,the unemployed,the
homeless,and the people in England are dong as the people of Englang are doing
alright then the tories will always gat elected.The country has been taken
as far into a recession as it could go,and still they get elected.I have
like many other Scots long regarded the english as a selfish nation as 
was proven yesterdat in the election.As long as they have a safe job and money
in thier pocket,the rest can be dammed.Evey other party would have put up
taxes in order to make the country and life for it's people better,a measure
that most in Scotland feel necessary to improve the country.But as these 
maesures hit the pockets of the English,true to thier selfish nature they vote 
tory.
The only way forward for Scotland now is to seek to gain outright independance.
This should take the form of the labour,S.N.P and liberal M.P's in Scotland
refusing to take thier seats in Westminster and forming an alliance to get
independance.Of course this can only work if it's the will of the people,
so it is necessary that they stand up and be counted.The people should
be involved in PEACEFUL demonstration to show thier disaproval of the 
present goverment.If independance or devolution as the case maybe,is what
the Scottish people want they need only ask.

                 singed Andy(a true scot)
P.S I aplogise to the English in the north,and Wales who must feel as fustrated
as Scotland.I also apologise to any labour supporters elsewhere in Britain 
and ask them noy to take offence at my generalizations.

P.P.S This is ment to reflect the views of myself and other Scots so please 
don't clutter up any newsgroups with your flames.If you have anything to say 
please e_mail me directly.
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: election 92: LORD SUTCH'S RESULTS
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:27:37 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk spake unto the masses saying:
>
>            8th Lord Buckethead (Gremloids)  107

Anyone know exactly what the Gremloid policies (if any) were? This guy made
even Lord Sutch look normal and rather mundane.

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
       "Breakdown. Splinter. A thousand fragments disperse and die."
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From: sermage@seti.UUCP (Sermage Philippe @)
Newsgroups: eunet.misc,soc.culture.british
Subject: Flat wanted London
Keywords: London,flat
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:24:48 GMT
Followup-To: eunet.misc

I post it for a friend.
He's looking for a flat(2 rooms)
in London form the beginning of June.(Hyre ~300 pound amonth)
Location if possible around Elephant Castle.
He's gynecologist coming for one year to London his wife is doctor too.
They have to live with a grant so they don't have a lot of money.
Please e-mail me the answer at sermage@inria.fr
Thank you for helping.
Philippe Sermage
.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Why the exit polls were wrong ?
Organization: sgi
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 02:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.180700.24843@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
|> 
|> It's an interesting possibility.  I DEFINITELY DO NOT have any
|> information about the size of the ex-pat vote or about its distribution
|> amongst the various seats, so I have no opinion as to whether this is a
|> plausible, or even a possible, theory.  However, I do have an opinion
|> that if it is the case, and the explanation becomes public, political
|> life over here could become VERY interesting.

Having loudly counted their unhatched chickens, Labour and its 
supporters must now find excu... I'm sorry, I'll read that again, 
explanations.  We have two already.  One is the Tory dominated
press (I wonder what Guardian, Observer and Independent think of
Kinnock's claim).  Another is the ten thousand, three million,
two hundred, eighty six, or whatever it was, people who dropped
their voting registration to cheat on their taxes, and who were
almost all, so the claim goes, Labour supporters.     Now I 
expect the third is to be ex-patriate voters.

I don't know this for sure, but suppose that the bulk of those
expatriates who were concerned enough to vote live in countries 
where Labour and its policies simply don't look too credible, 
and so voted Tory?    Well, they are still giving useful input.   
They are expressing an opinion about what the UK looks like from
the outside, and also an opinion about the kind of country that
they and their children might like to come home to one day.

What's wrong with that?

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: MAJOR WINS MAJORITY!!!
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:12:01 GMT

Simon B Proven writes:

	Paul Smee writes:

		I also believe 'society' as an entity is much worse off.  
		(Of course, according to Maggie 'society' doesn't exist, 
		so it's hard to argue my beliefs here against hard-line 
		Thatcherites.)

	All she wants is the great car economy ... some society!!! :(

There were no hard-line Thatcherites, there was Margaret Thatcher. Now,
she is gone. Like the snows of yesteryear. Its Spring again. Wake up.
It was all just a dream, kiddies.

Dammit, where's that bottle of Petrus. What a remarkable year '45 was...

Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
From: mfriley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Gas stoves
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:31:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <NICKH.92Apr9143654@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.164658.15289@wpi.WPI.EDU> mfriley@wpi.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley) writes:
>
>   Well, it's not necessarily the flour we use as much as the recipe for 
>   the bread.   My husband spent some time touring England and has since spent
>   several years trying to match the bread he ate there.   After hundreds of
>   recipes and many many cookbooks, he finally found a bread recipe that does
>   *not* use sugar.   Removing the sugar makes the bread come out much closer
>   to the European breads he remembered.   Apparently sugar aids in rising
>   and making the bread into the bubblegum stuff sold in the US groceries.
>   Stuff lasts forever too since sugar is a type of preservative.
>
>Ever since I arrived in America I've been wondering why they (you?)
>put sugar in bread. It really does make bread unpleasant to eat. I've
>been a bread fan all my life; the way my parents tell it, I was given
>a hunk of bread when I was first brought home from the hospital. It's
>a wonderfully versatile substance for small children: you can squash
>it into interesting shapes, you can insert these shapes into any
>orifice, you can throw it across the room, you can use it as
>scribbling paper, or make masks out of it, and when you've finished,
>you can even eat it.... But American mass-market bread is disgusting.
>Most bakeries here do _some_ sorts of bread without sugar, and these
>taste great (or at least acceptable). So why do it?

Damned if I know.   Chalk it up to the American Sweet Tooth or the
American Inexpensive Rising and Preservative agent.    Personally, I
never touch the stuff.   I bought my husband a very nice KitchenAid
mixer so he can make bread at home.

Margaret
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Where in the world is Hardy's Wessex?
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:03:05 GMT

At least let's get this one right...

	BUDMOUTH == BUDleigh-salterton + exMOUTH

I had the good fortune to spend two childhood summer holidays in a house 
about equidistant between the two. Hardy's Wessex is just that, his West 
Country. When you talk Summer Holidays, you're talking cult.brit. Another
favorite was Sandbanks; particularly when we landed on Brownsea Island and
got chased by the local gendarmerie. The old girl who owned Brownsea was
a real tartar. Ah the smell of worm-cast mud when the tide goes out... 
great stuff.

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Election Results
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:02:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr10.140104.164652@cs.cmu.edu> goddard+@cs.cmu.edu (Nigel Goddard) writes:
>Woe unto us!  I spent the evening listening to the results on 
>the World Service with a group of fellow Brits.  Stunned disbelief,
>followed by gnashing of teeth.  One woman announced she is no
>longer British.  Those who had thought of returning from exile
>will remain abroad.  Those who had thought they were abroad
>temporarily will reconsider.
>

Heh.  My pal feels rather the opposite.  He did NOT want to go back
to the UK with a Labour govt in power.  Chacun a son gout (imagine
the proper diacritical marks in the proper places).

I just wish this would have happened AFTER I went over.  My dollars
will be worth less now when I exchange them.  :-)
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Any minority candidates?
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:26:23 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada


		ANY MINORITY CANDIDATES?

  I am interested in knowing how many minority candidates have been
put up by the major parties in this election. If I remember right, there
were a couple of Asians who won on a Labour ticket last time. Have the
Tories got round to picking any Asian or West Indian candidates so far?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: MAJOR WINS MAJORITY!!!
Reply-To: sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:33:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.144725.2121@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk
(Paul Smee) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.052826.28630@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
jswilson@mta.ca writes:
> >I never doubted for a second that John Major would not win.  He (or
rather) and
> >the Conservatives are the best bet to pull Britain out of the recession.
> 
> I don't understand why people believe this.  It was this government
> (and particularly the Lawson budget of a few years ago) that put us
> into it.

I don't know whether you have noticed, but just about every other
western country in the world has a recession at the moment so I doubt if
we can attribute all of the problems of the UK to Nigel Lawson.

> In the past 13 years, Britain has been falling further and
> further behind in the EEC 'league tables' of economic performance.  (I
> think only Portugal and Greece are worse, at this point -- that's
> nearly right anyway, may have missed someone.)

Funny, the Economist last week said exactly the opposite, that the UK
had been slipping to the bottom of the economic tables before Maggie
arrived and has been doing much better since. They claimed that Britain
had, under the Conservatives, had the longers period of economic growth
since the war. So someone has it wrong.

> Look at their election platforms.  1979 -- 1 million unemployed under
> Labour, that's horrible; now, we've got 2.6 million unemployed, and
> they say it may get worse before it gets better. 

But it's even worse here in Socialist France so it looks as if
govenmental policy doesn't affect that too much.

> Inflation isn't noticeably better.  Businesses are going bankrupt at a
> record rate.  Home repossessions are at a record rate.  Interest rates
> are high and 'may have to go up again'.  Taxes are well higher than
> before they took office, though because of shuffles from income tax to
> VAT and things, the top 10% of wage-earners are indeed paying very much
> lower taxes.  (Income tax HAS gone down, but VAT has more than
> doubled.)

This is the thing that pisses me off most about the Tories. For someone
on twice average earnings (and above) Britain has the highest income tax
rate in Europe. So much for incentives for entrepreneurs.

Simon.

  Simon Patience
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From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Farewell to Kinnock
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:19:37 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (SMELLS LIKE JOHN MAJOR....) writes:

>So goodbye Neil Kinnock, depised by far-left and Tory alike. Well, thanks
>for trying but we appreciate that no one can face up to lies on the
>scale propagated by Fleet Street.

>By way of an aside, does anyone remember how in the late-1980's
>the press tried to show how inferior Kinnock was with his degree
>from Cardiff Uni. when compared to Thatcher and her Oxbridge degree.
>Remarkably, when Johnny "Two O-Levels" took over the premiership,
>I seem to remember precious little in the way of any newspaper
>pointing out how Kinnock had a degree, passed his o-levels and A-levels.
>Mind you, the British press are something for the British to malign
>and the foreigner to view with disgust and disbelief.

>Hopefully someone like John Smith will get the job, as it's going to take
>a particularly senior and skilled politician to hold Labour together
>through the next bleak 5 years.

I don't think he is as good as Neil though.

Steve.


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From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Why should Libya hand over the PanAm bombers?
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:28:51 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services


 How about, because the UN Security Council has told them to?
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 19:54:49 MES
From: <UKS038@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: E-Mail Adress wanted...

Hi,

I am very urgently looking for an E-Mail adress of a friend of mine,
called Petros Kalaitzis. He must be studying something like computer
science in London (I'm not very sure).
If anyone has any suggestions, please E-Mail |

Goetz Schrader,  UKS038@DMSWWU1A.BITNET


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Subject: Re: Screaming Lord Sutch (was Monster Ravin
Reply-To: cflatter@nrao.edu
Organization: NRAO
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 22:31:33 GMT

In article 16068@pony.Ingres.COM, mkrey@Ingres.COM (MICHAEL KREY) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.194918.3202@col.hp.com>, lpj@col.hp.com (Laura John writes...
>>ianf@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Ian Frank) writes:
>>> Where can we get copies of the Monster Raving Loony election 
>>> manifesto?
>>> 
>>Please post this. We have been wanting a third party in the US
>>for quite some time now, and this one sounds like just what we
>>need.
>
>I understand one of their major policies is to introduce crocodiles into 
>the thames.  I imagine to discourage the yuppies from falling over their 
>disco boats.

Funnily enough, I just saw a CNN interview with his lordship this dinner time.
The main policies I remember were:

- Change the name of the United Kingdom to Looneyland.

- Turn the Houses of Parliament into a theme park (complete with Crocodiles
  in the Thames).

- Introduce 5-day weekends.

- Decimalise the clock.

- Set up nationwide institutes of Rock and Roll.

	Chris Flatters
From: sri@milton.u.washington.edu (Kandiah Sribalaskandarajah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: On silence &..
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:20:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr9.162012.3280
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr9.135143.10711@acsu.buffalo.edu> bandu@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jagath Samarabandu) writes:
>I for one have learned to ignore those that say the LTTE is the only solution
>and those that say SL army is the only solution. Do you really think LTTE is
>all that different from SL government? 
>
>Bandu

Yes and No. I will not elaborate on that. However, the fact of the matter is
that LTTE is as 'democratic' as the SL government. Because, if we all can 
accept that the government has the support of the majority Sri Lankans and
hence it is democratic, so does LTTE among the tamil people. It is not 
necessary that every tamilian support LTTE, for it to be considered as the
legitimate representative of the tamil people. So LTTE is not the solution,
however, without LTTE there won't be any legitimate solution. That is it.
From: 2816af@GMUVAX.GMU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: International Idiots
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:44:00 GMT

>From: raj@quartzite.cs.odu.edu (M.P. Krishna Raj)
>Dear Sri-Lankan Tamils,
>We( Tamils of India) do not know much about you and your culture.
>We used to hear much of the radio broadcast to hear filmsongs.
>I used to watch roopavahini tamil programs. Still we are not fully
>aware of the society there.

>The reason behind is that we haven't studied properly about you in
>school and college education. I remember only there is passing remark
>tamil people in tea estates.

Of course, there are no REAL TAMILS in Sri Lanka other than the one
who migrated to sri-lanka last century.
They are working in tea estates.

The so-called Jaffna tamils who live in North
and Batticaloa Tamils who live in East are not REAL TAMILS. 
Almost all of them are Sinhalese.
Their fathers are Sinhalese. 
Their mothers too. 
This was proved by many scholars such as 
Dr. Sri Tharan at University of Colorado,
Dr. Balusinhama, Dr. Ballachandi list goes on and on.
Look at their names, they are  all Sinhalese.

Tamil is a  great language. - (Of course all languages are great.)
Sinhale people lived in Jaffna learned Tamil because  Tamil Nadu is 
very close.
Later they wanted to become Tamil. 
It is similar to becoming an American after learning English. 
It is similar to becoming Computer Engineer after learning English. 
It is similar to becoming Computer Engineer after learning English and 
Computer Engineering.
You may want to become an American, marry an Australian etc.
It is like getting American citizenship.
This is life. Nothing to do with Tamil.

Real Tamils never want to learn English. Ex. Pirapakaran - He cannot
speak English. But He loves Australians. Love is Universal.
He destroyed Libraries, Places, Temples, People, 
educational institutions, cultural
centers,caste systems,etc. Of course  we can understand better.

We are eager to know about you culturally and socially.
Please write in soc.culture.indian as well
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:07:35 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: on Tamil bboard


Why I'm for sct:

Let it be a bridge across the oceans. Though the crossings of this 'bridge'
endeavor oursleves to mend the 'Broken Palmyra tree.' And this bridge
will bring 
together many who have much to see in their heritage. And history,
arheolgical finds and our values are can lend enough credibility to the
notion of 'distinct' identity for Tamils. Since before the Greeks....to
Karikala Cholana and to Nallur kings. The spirit of 'kapPallotiya
thamilan' hasn't died altogether.

-Suresh 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: LTTE and Tamils
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:49:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Junior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Not at all.
At best, more than any other group the Tigers looks after the 'genuine'
interests and wishes of most Tamils
living in the Northeast corridor. Not the Tamils from Colombo.  The other
groups like TELO , PLOT, ect.,. were shortcoming in their committments
to the people. Only interested in power, it didn't matter how or by
who's help(RAW). Worse, they fought alongside the IPKF. Now, with the SL
army. Most Tamils will never forgive this bunch. Let them run for an
office! And the way SL is treating Jaffna peninsula, most who live there
 are convinced of the 'goals'
of the government and what it has in store for them. You should
definitely look into this.  It's a zero sum game on Tamils in Jaffna.
Many Tamils in the affected areas consider LTTE as their sole protection
against the wrath of 'Sinhala' army.  At 85, I saw what it can do to
people & property.

To sum it all up, SL armed forces is the bigger of two evils for most
Tamils. It doesn't
help the fact that it's 99% Sinhalase and fighting LTTE in Tamil areas,
either. And it constantly uses tactics that earns more bad will from the
people hailing from  all walks of life.
From: rxh9306@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Part 5 : Who Created the Tigers(LTTE) ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:01:07 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology



Who Created the Tigers (LTTE) ?                        (Part 5)


The sinhala parliament members of the Mahajana Eksath Peramuna
(People's United Front) and the United National Party (UNP), who
were responsible for passing the Parliamentary Law given bellow,
and others like them !



" The "Sinhalese-only" language policy passed into law as the
Official Language Act No.33 of 1956, and reads as follows-
"An Act to prescribe the Sinhala language as the one official
language of Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and to enable certain transitory
provisions to be made (Date of Assent: 7 July 1956).


1.  This Act may be cited as the Official Language Act No.33 of
1956.


2.  The Sinhala language shall be the ONE official language of
                                   ^^^^^^^^^
Ceylon (Sri Lanka).  Provided that where the Minister considers it
impracticable to commence the use of ONLY the Sinhala language, for
                                   ^^^^^^^^^
ANY official purpose immediately on the coming into force of this
^^^^^^^^
Act, the language or languages ( Tamil ) hitherto used for that
purpose may be continued to be so used until the necessary change
is effected as early as possible before the expiry of 31 December
1960 and, if such change cannot be effected by administrative
order, regulations may be made under this Act to effect such
change.


3. (I)  The Minister may make such regulations in respect of all
matters for which regulations are authorized by this Act to made
and generally for the purpose of giving effect to the principles
and provisions of this Act.
   (II)  No regulation made under sub-section (1) shall have effect
until it is approved by the Senate and the Housed of
Representatives and notification of such approval is published in
the Gazette. "



(Sri Lanka : The National Question and the  Tamil Liberation
Struggle,  by Satchi Ponnambalam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka