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From: sra20@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Steven Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:29:25 GMT
Reply-To: stevena@cs.berkeley.edu
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <NhV-J0A@engin.umich.edu> blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:
>
>I was amazed to notice one day that I was talking about cars having
>accidents.  These weren't accidents, and the cars weren't driving themselves.
>Better to say "motorists causing collisions".  We in the US have a
>real tendency to forget (at least in our language) that there is a human
>being in control of that vehicle, and supposedly responsible for the
>actions of themselves and the vehicle they're controlling.
>
>Hence, accidents instead of collisions, accidental death instead of
>manslaughter or vehicular homocide, cars instead of motorists, 'get a 
>ticket' instead of being caught breaking the law,  etc.
>
>Interesting how motor double-think has crept into the language.
>
>Ken

And my favorite: 'driving' a car
		 'riding' a bicycle.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steven Alexander
CS grad student                                 stevena@cs.berkeley.edu
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: opinions
Date: 30 Jul 1992 18:38:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com

Can anyone give me opinions on the following bikes?

Mongoose (Rockadile,Alta, and Hilltopper)
Diamond Back (Topanga,Sorrento)

Also what are the ad/disadvantages of straight handlebars vs. a 1" rise?

And can anyobe tell me where to get the FAQ for this group?


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Subject: Re: Racing Tandem for Sale
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:15:03 GMT

In article <dkreindl.712163620@well.sf.ca.us> dkreindl@well.sf.ca.us (David  
Kreindler) writes:
> 
> 
> I have a Santana Team racing tandem bicycle, in perfect condition, for sale.
> 
> This is probably the most beautiful bicycle ever made. The fillet brazing is
> absolutely perfect; each tube seems to flow into the next. And the paint
> (eight coats of gold-flecked pearlescent white Imron) is astonishing to look
> at. (It also has violet water-bottle cages,  violet and white zebra-striped
> saddle covers and gold handlebar tape.)

Drool.....

-----------------------------
Karl Best                              Far away, across the field
Novell Tech Pubs           ...  __o    the tolling of the iron bell
Provo, Utah  801-429-3428 ..   -\<,    draws the faithful to their knees
kbest@doc.novell.com      ...(_)/(_).  to hear the softly spoken magic spell
karl_best@npd.novell.com                  -Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Your favorite bicycle book
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:02:28 GMT
Reply-To: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

I would like recommendations on bicycle books - I haven't bought
one in about 10 years and like to get a more updated book re
current technology. (Example, my books contain very little info on indexed 
gears thought it seems most gears these days are indexed).

I own a touring bike and am not particularly interested in 
racing or mountain cycling, though I don't mind reading about
them.

I am interested in the health aspects of cycling and effective
exercising and cycling techniques.

Thanks,
Esmail
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18631 ont.general:1216 can.general:3481 soc.culture.canada:5293 ott.general:518
From: awilliam@qucis.queensu.ca (Majik)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:38:07 GMT
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston

In article <wcsjc.712228002@cunews> wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) writes:
>In <1992Jul27.051157.20873@mach4.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>
>>Okay, now you've got me REALLY mad. Bicycles are the wave of the future, not
>>a relic of the past. I get people staring at me when I tell them I don't
>>have a driver's license. They think I'm nuts.
>
>I get the same reaction from some people.  Of course these are the same people
>who go around saying, "We had better start taking better care of our
>environment... reduce greenhouse gases... etc..."  Who are "We" ?  Apparently
>not them.  Apparently not even cyclists like me !

I do think that you are nuts. There are times (emergencies.. illness etc) when
a driver's license is essential. I do not think that you are nuts for not 
driving every day.. or even for discouraging others.. but to purposfully 
limit your options?? 

Andrew Williams



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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:23:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

Waht appears to me to have happened is that the safe motorcyclists
have simply gotten sick and tired of regulations and stopped riding.

The fools and new riders (who always have a high rate of accidents)
have continued on in their normal way. So ridership is down and
accidents are up.

The net effect is that the business has lost a great portion of
their business and the public hasn't gained a damn thing!

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff)
Subject: Re: Hampsten and Motorola
Keywords: Motorola in trouble?
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:56:09 GMT

marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:

>Craig Artley (dprcxa@edp.arco.com) writes:

>> How much help is he going to get from his Motorola teamates in the
>> coming stages?  It seems to me that Motorola is very banged up.
>> Andy Bishop, Max Sciandri,

>  Ouch	       Ouch

>> Steve Bauer, and Ron Kiefel

>  Ouch             Ouch


>> have all abandoned. That leaves Phil Anderson, Frankie Andreu, Sean Yates,
>> and Michel Dernies to work for Andy.  I hope it is enough.

>Ditto. Andy will have to keep a close eye on Carrera, who can be counted on 
>to do some attacking yet.

I would expect the attacks to come from Gatorade, to try to get Bugno into the
top three.  I would expect Carrera and Banesto to counter the attacks to
protect Chiappuchi and Indurain.  Andy needs to hang in with the Carrera and
Banesto guys.  It seems unlikely that he can move up in G.C.  I am worried about
him holding off Bugno in the ITT.  I think if he works hard, he can keep his
minute off Lino, 2:00 on Bugno is going to be tough.  Gook Luck, Andy!  All
of American is behind you!

--Brian Radloff
  bradloff@micro.ti.com
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:06:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Jul24.165826.17414@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> jeff344@voodoo.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>>
>> Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
>>Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.
>>
>Get the best deal you can, but consider supporting your local bike shops 
>instead.  The price difference between mail-order outlets and most bike 
>shops is getting smaller all the time for most name-brand products.  
>Compare a few items and find out for yourself.  I asked a local dealer 
>just last month why his prices were now so close to Nashbar's.  His

Sound like I need to move to Ohio!!! Here in Lafayette IN, the prices are
about double what Nashbar charges.

                   Nash         Shop
Zefal fenders      $17          $35
Brake pads         $10          $18

I get replacement parts from Loose Screws because of the same reason. Why
pay for twice the price of mail-order? I do buy a "whole-bike" from
the local shop, because the first year they take care of all the problems 
with it. 

-Flip


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lgough805@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: ?? on world champ colors
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:54:49 GMT

Re:  ?? on World Champ's colors

It appears that former world champions are allowed to wear the colors 
of the jersey on their collars.  This appears true as well for 
national champions.  I distinctly remember Fignon wearing the 
tricolore of French national champion on his sleeves and collar 
in '88 or '89, in old Winning magazines.

Bill Gough
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: gold medal for Spain
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:06:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Three Cheers to Jose Mareno for winning the ITT. It was good to see
Spain winning a gold in an important sport like cycling.
From: chuang@micro (Michael Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning Water Bottles
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:23:40 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> Chlorine Bleach kills _everything_. All bateria, all viruses -- everything.

> [...] leave dilute solution of bleach in bottles overnight]
> It only takes a couple of minutes and the only negative is that you
> need a couple of sets of water bottles. I can handle that.

I clean my bottles with bleach too, but mix the solution with cold
water.  The hot water comes when rinsing the bottles the next day.
Having bought a case of the Supersale Specialized/LeMond bottles
for $25 (works out to $0.50/bottle) I don't have to worry about havng
a "second set."  What's more, I didn't feel too bad about tossing out
a soiled bottle last week.  Came upon a pile of horse manure at the
bottom of a descent.  Thought I got around it, but a horrible stench
showed that this was not the case.  Had horse shit all over my water
bottle, and some on my shirtfront.  I washed the shirt but couldn't
bear to face the waterbottle and ended up tossing it.  It's been a bad
month in New England so far as animal waste goes.  A friend was shit on
by a goose two weeks ago.  Unaccountably he did not notice it when it
happened.  His riding companion (not me) pulled up next to him and
remarked, "Hey, you've got Phil Wood grease all over your back !" and
proceeded to wipe off the offending substance.  They then discovered
that it was a substance not attributable to Phil.

By the way, I see that the Supersale flyer is advertising those LeMond
bottles again.  If anyone buys some, check if they're still from that
aborted Pizza Hut advertising campaign.  The bottles I bought have black
tape pasted over purple lettering saying "Copyright Pizza Hut 1990"
(or whatever the year was, I forget).

Mike
chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: United Airlines
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:00:17 GMT

one thing with United and the USCF deal for shipping
your bike, they told me that the ticket had to cost
at least $250 for them to give you the certificate
for the free bike shipping.  sort of sucks when the
cheapest fare is only $155, so that a normal fare
with certificate costs about as much as the discount
fare without certificate.  well, jsut thought you 
might like to know.

andy
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Orbital' gearing system?
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:22:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <1992Jul14.001404.2301@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:

>brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand) writes:
>>    1.  a ring with no teeth
>>    2.  several cogs with teeth that are centered around the bolt circle
>>        of the ring, and able to slide back and forth along radial slots.
>>    3.  A mechanism which can move the cogs simultaneously along their slots,
>>        giving a threoretically infinite number of ring diameters within
>>        the capacity of the mechanism.  If the cogs can rotate on the shift,
>>        I think you can do this without breaking the chain.

I believe that a variation on this idea has actually been used to
construct an automatic gear system for bicycles! I think it worked by
making the mechanism mentioned in part 3) above responsive to the
centripetal force exerted by the chain, so the cogs move in and out
automatically to maintain the same torque on the crank. I suppose just
spring-loading the cogs on their radial slots would do it in theory,
although I've no doubt the mechanics would be tricky.

How about that - an automatic bike :-)

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      ******* Hit the North!!! *******
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic "Coverage"?
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:02:58 GMT

In article <l7g7r2INNadl@male.EBay.Sun.COM> tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly) writes:
   NBC truly is the worst commercial station for MAJOR sports coverage.  It is 
   so disappointing... (but not surprising).


   I'm going to spring the $$$ for the triple cast... 

I have to wonder if the coverage isn't intentionally poorer on NBC than
the Triplecast.....

Anyway, in todays NY Times an article indicated that the prices for the
Triplecast are coming down, although not necessarily in all areas. The price
for the entire package hasn't changed (although I'm sure it will as the days
go by), but the daily prices have. This weekend you can watch on Saturday 
AND Sunday for $29.95. It appears that in some areas a 'free-preview' will
also be offered.

Obviously, check with your local cable operator.

MJ



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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:42:19 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

How about hand numbness after using a chain saw? Chain saws designed to
be used 8-hours per workday are heavily insulated at the handle to
reduce vibration, which causes hand numbness.

My point is that hand numbness from riding a bike may be related to
hand numbness from using a chain saw. Both activities involve
vibration. In sci.med there are participants using vibrators to
reduce pain, so the the vibration phenomena may be exploited for 
useful purposes, too.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mjk@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Jane Kelly)
Subject: Re: Bike nashbar and the Avia Sport shoes Pamela recommended
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:23:12 GMT

Karl writes:
>I'll never buy shoes mailorder (esp. from Nashbar) again! I tried that trick a>year ago. The shoes didn't fit. Nashbar wanted me to pay the shipping to return  
>them, the shipping to try the next pair on, then the shipping to return *them*>etc. etc. 
>Clothing maybe. At least a jersey doesn't need to fit perfectly. But shoes?  
>I'll go to my favourite bike shop.

Funny you should mention shoes and Nashbar...  We made a road trip to the
outlet in Ohio several months ago.  I had intended to check out the Saucony
glorified sneakers that they had marked from ~$68 to ~$37.  I really didn't
think I would by them, but I wanted to look them over.  Incidentally, they
were pushing them as Mt. Biking shoes.  Well on the cheap rack was a high top
pair for only $15!  The tag inside read size 7, but I can vouch that it is 
incorrect and they are a size 8.  The Nashbar person I spoke to said that the
shoes were a return.  I would be pretty pissed if I ordered an 8 and got a 
shoe that said 8 but was a 9.  However, I don't think Nashbar is at fault
here but Saucony. 

M.J. "I love a bargain!"  Kelly
scarletbegonias@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general
From: wheelan@cs.mcgill.ca (Bill HEELAN)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:55:54 GMT

From article <schinder.712428670@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder):
[...]
> How can you claim a right to use the road if you're unwilling to give
> it to others?

    Gee, then why don't we make the pedestrians use the roads, too?

    What people are complaining about is that on both roads and sidewalks
	cyclists are second class citizens.  If cyclists are expected to ride on
	the roads then roads should be designed and maintained with that in
	mind.  How many are, including new ones?  As well, cyclists shouldn't be
	discriminated against in terms of road rights.  The same argument also
	applies to sidewalks.  Although, the idea of cyclists using the
	sidewalks in Montreal (and a few try), or any place I've seen, is
	ludicrous.

    If none of these solutions seem appealing then build bike paths.  In
	fact, if the bike path system were as extensive as the road system I'd
	probably use it exclusively.  Again, what are the chances of that
	happening?

    The basic problem is that pedestrians, cyclists and cars do not easily
	coexist.  Each has different needs.  Do you believe that cycling is an
	inherently inferior form of transportation?  If not, you have to give
	them an adequate place to ride.
    

                                                    - Bill
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: christo@bcarh803.BNR.CA (Mark Christopher)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Reply-To: christo@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:13:26 GMT

In article <rjg.712346442@guinan>, rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard
Griffith) writes:
|>The Ottawa bike paths have an interesting obstacle that the streets do not,
|>pedestrians! 
|>
|>Pedestrians have this amazing ability to suddenly move in a direction at
|>right angles to their previous course. On a bike path that is 2m wide at best
|>this movement can cause problems.
...

Indeed!  I find it truly amazing that when I announce "passing on
the left" as I approach to pass, people stop moving straight ahead
and move diagonally across the path.

Personally, I think it would be better for both pedestrians and
cyclists if pedestrians were to walk "facing traffic", as they do
on the road.  That way, they are as far away as possible from cyclists
approaching them from behind.  My pet peeve is people who walk four
abreast on the path, and people who haven't trained their kids to
"be careful out there"...

-- 
Mark Christopher        Bell-Northern Research          christo@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: wilhited@brahms.udel.edu (Douglas Ben Wilhite)
Subject: Re: Missouri tour
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:28:42 GMT

Hey - could you email me info on that Ozark tour, too?  Thanks

doug (wilhited@brahms.udel.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: psierra@dit.upm.es (Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando)
Subject: Indurain prior to 91
Organization: Dept. Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos, UPM, Madrid, Spain.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:36:06 GMT

In article <1618@spam.ua.oz> jday@spam.ua.oz (Jemery Day) writes:

   >Zulle's TdF ended as planned at the rest day in Dole. He is only
   >22 or 23 and his ONCE coach did not want to burn him out. Indurain
   >did exactly the same thing when he was a neo-pro in the 85 (?) TdF.

   What was Indurain's cycling career like prior to 1991. Can anybody who knows
   post a summary of his achievements prior to his first Tour win? Riders like
   Delgado, Fignon, Roche, Kelly, LeMond and Phil Anderson (if you live in
   Australia) seem to have been around for a while, but I can't remember having
   heard of Indurain prior to 1991. (Mind you it isn't particularly easy to follow
   European cycling in Australia!)


Hello Australia!

I'm from Spain, this week in Spain everybody speaks about Indurain (and 
Olimpic Games too) I suposse in every magazine they will tell all the history
about Indu, I'll try to summarize for the net. 

Now , let me tell you some things : Indurain was helping Pedro Delgado in those
years, when Delgado was the boss in this team (now Delgado help a lot to Indu)
But one year that I don't remember now he won the Tour de Europe (a copy of the
Tour the France for young riders, similar to this year they visited many 
countries of the European Comunity)

Pedro
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
From: jcb (Jim Becker)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:42:44 GMT
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   From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
   
   I also have mixed things to say about the Zefal Double Shot.  And only
   *good* things to say about the local Performance shop.

interestingly  enough, I tried to get one of these at Palo Alto Bikes,
and the guy said you don't need a pump that cost  so  much..  so  they
don't stock it. if you have ever been  to  PA  Bikes  you'll  get  the
joke.. :) 

i just got a Blackburn floor pump, and it's great. long hose  and  the
gauge  is  on  the  top  of  the  pump, nice for my failing eyesight..
believe they are just hitting the streets. in the advertising it  says
they are supposed to "shutoff automatically" at the selected pressure,
which doesn't seem to work. i assume it operator error on an otherwise
great pump. it was around $55 at Pacific Bicycles.

-jim
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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 20:56:19 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Jul22.194304.4720@tamsun.tamu.edu> sean@cs.tamu.edu
(Sean Graves) writes: 

>... In fact, the Call for Votes is already out.

>Thank you.

>Sean


It is?
Where?  Has everybody seen this except us? ... or me?
Perhaps it needs to be reposted, or, at least, some
kind soul could send me a copy.

Thanks.

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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