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From: var@bawooner.esd.sgi.com (Victor Riley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: Re: Insight....adding your own documents
Keywords: InSight SGML online documentation
Date: 9 Jan 93 05:03:37 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.200343.20281@texhrc.uucp>, mjz@mjzsgi.Texaco.COM
(Michael Zeitlin) writes:
|> 
|>    Insight is quite nice....i just assume use it for our own
|>    "stuff"

Thanks for the compliment.  Our first release of InSight is meant as
a base level of functionality that we can build on for future versions.
With the InSight Viewer bundled with all machines we now have a base
for putting more documents online.  In the future we will add more 
functionality to the viewer and tools for helping users get documents
into InSight.

The InSight Viewer is based on a 3rd party toolkit from Electronic Book
Technologies, Inc. for displaying the books.  The format of the books 
InSight reads is an SGML file compiled using EBT's SGML compiler.  SGML
stands for Standard Generalized Markup Language and is a language for
tagging the structure of a document based on a DTD (Document Type 
Definition).

Adding books to the current version of InSight is not a trivial task.
Your "stuff" must be converted to SGML then compiled using EBT's tools.
We currently translate our books from Frame to SGML using a translator
from another 3rd party vendor named Avalanche.  Our process is 
semi-automated but specific to the SGI environment.  We have a group in 
CSD that is translating files from ascii to SGML for the Support bookshelf
but the files are semi-structured already.  We do not yet have a general 
purpose tool for incorporating arbitrary ascii text files into InSight.

The translation of a book from whatever format you author it in into 
SGML can either be done by yourself, or a service bureau.  Passage 
Systems, Inc. was formed partially for this purpose.  There also exist 
other companies that build translation filters from various formats to 
SGML.

We do hope that 3rd parties, OEM's, and ISV's will decide to put their 
documentation for their products online in InSight.  There are many 
advantages besides having a common means of accessing all the information,
the ability to query across all books, and the ability to link from one 
book to another.  Another key feature is that 3rd parties can write their 
book once for InSight and then take that same compiled book with EBT's
DynaText browser and deliver the same book on other platforms.  EBT's 
DynaText browser runs on a wide variety of platforms including Sun, DEC,
HP, and Windows.

I realize that this isn't an answer to the question of "How do I get my
documents online in InSight?" But before I write a lengthier reply I'd
like
to find out what kind of information you really want or need.

	Victor Riley
	InSight Engineer
	var@sgi.com
From: marcelo@pintado.ciagri.usp.br (Marcelo Zacarias)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: TeX/X11
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:29:58 GMT


Hi,

I was trying to install TeX3.14 ftp'ed from vab02.larc.nasa.gov in a PI
(3.3.2 16Mb) when I got the following error messages (during the execution
of 'make' in the /usr/distribution/TeX3.14 directory):

    cc -g -O -I../.. -c X11.c
cpp: error X11.c:11: Can't find include file X11/Xlib.h
cpp: error X11.c:12: Can't find include file X11/Xutil.h
cpp: error X11.c:13: Can't find include file X11/Intrinsic.h
cpp: error X11.c:14: Can't find include file X11/StringDefs.h
*** Error code 1

Stop

Does someone know if it is a fatal error, or affects only the previewer, 
in the way I can still use TeX/LaTeX?

Thanks in advance for any idea.

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Centro de Informatica na Agricultura
Universidade de Sao Paulo (USP)
From: ianh@morgana.resmel.bhp.com.au (Ian Hoyle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: dig 2.0
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:44:27 GMT
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories
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I can't get dig 2.0 to work with the supplied resolver routines. It
appears to hang around a res_send call in dig.c. If I change the
references to the header files in hfiles.h to be those in /usr/include
instead of those in the distribution it still stalls.

Has anyone ported dig 2.0 under Irix 4.0.5?? I'd luv to hear from you ...

	ian
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From: tirza@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Tirza van Rijn)
Subject: Kermit for Indigo?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 22:27:53 GMT


Hello *,


The subject lines says it all: I'm looking for a Kermit version for the 
Indigo. I am currently using C-kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, AT&T System III/
System V and this works fine except that it is not possible to use wildcarts
when downloading files from the Indigo to DOS (I can use the wildcarts when
uploading from DOS to the Indigo, though).

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   |_)
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From: ra@world.std.com (C.Ramanathan)
Subject: ispell
Organization: Software Tool & Die
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:00:08 GMT


Has someone gotten ispell to compile & work on an Indigo under
IRIS 4.05F. If so could they post the modifications to the
Makefile.

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From: var@bawooner.esd.sgi.com (Victor Riley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.apps
Subject: Re: Insight....adding your own documents
Keywords: InSight SGML online documentation
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:43:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan10.215534.7994@bitrot.in-berlin.de>,
thomas@bitrot.in-berlin.de (Thomas Driemeyer) writes:
|> The format of the SGML documents should be published and accessible
|> though, so that everyone can add books without having to use external
|> service bureaus. If the format is closed, Insight might suffer the same
|> fate as the license server.

As Andrew also said in his followup, SGML is an international standard
If you would like the SGML standard it is ISO 8879 and can be ordered
from any member body of the ISO.  For a very good reference look at
"The SGML Handbook" by Charles Goldfarb.  Charles was the editor of the
SGML standard.

Now if you are refering to us publishing our DTD (Document Type Definition)
then give us a chance.  We just released the first version and are already
working on the second version.  We will release the DTD and other tools
at a later date.  For those not familiar with SGML, the DTD defines the
structure of a document, not the content of the document.  Our books are
instances of our DTD.

|> Wouldn't it be great if everything - third-party software manuals, TeX
|> manuals, Webster's (I can dream, can I?), even /usr/man, and of course
|> the jargon file :-) - would be available as InSight books? Let's hope
|> legal obstacles won't prevent that.

We hope to see alot of 3rd party manuals and man pages and other books
available within InSight over the next several years.  

|> BTW, is there a way to show the pictures directly in the document, the
|> way NeXT's digital librarian does it, rather than to hide them in an
|> icon? Optionally, maybe?

Yes, in version 2 of the product.

	Victor Riley
	InSight Engineer
From: karron@karron.med.nyu.edu (Dan Karron (karron@nyu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: transparent X windows.
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:23:53 GMT


With SGI machines with alpha planes, how much
work would it be to give X windows a transparency property ?

I keep shuffeling windows to keep an eye on the console window.

I would not mind if I could see ghosts from that window through
the windows over it....

Just a thought!

Cheers!

Dan.
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From: bclark@ctron.com (Bret Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: xcdplayer-2.2 - X11 CD player for Sun and SGI
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:50:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.204230.3699@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich) writes:
> ...
> As for reading the CD over the network, it doesn't do it.  It might be
> an interesting feature, but there would probably be performance
> problems (you would probably get pauses in the sound trying to put
> 44.1K/s across the network), and it would only work on machines with
> audio hardware (ie. 4D/35 or Indigo).

There is a program on the internet called "Radio" which allows you
to receive audio broadcast on any node from one source node using the network. 

It uses roughly about 1% of the network transmitting 8k blocks of data.
It was easy to modify the source to transmit larger blocks of data across the 
network (The source code is well documented). At near CD quality, 
the network saw about 5% bandwidth utilization.

It has been awhile since I have looked at the program, so I can't say
exactly what I did to change the block size, but I do remember it was
easy to do.

We used the program to play CDs through the network. The program does a good
job of buffering so that there was no noticeable sound loss (unless
there was heavy network usage).

I think I downloaded the program from:

vab02.larc.nasa.gov 128.155.23.47

Regards,


Bret Clark
Cabletron Systems
From: J.W.vanderMeulen@io.tudelft.nl (Jaap van der Meulen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: (none)
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:55:56 GMT

Hi,

We are currently building an application in which we want to use a tablet
instead of the mouse. In 4.0.1 and 4.0.4 we were able to use 'setptr tablet'
from 4Dgifts/examples/devices/input/X. But now we are running 4.0.5E and 
setptr tablet always gives the error message:

  X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
    Major opcode of failed request:  132 (XInputExtension)
    Minor opcode of failed request:  11 (X_ChangeKeyboardDevice)
    Serial number of failed request:  17
    Current serial number in output stream:  17

Does anyone know how to get this working again??


Jaap

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.unix.programmer
From: vahe@sparcy.Stanford.EDU (Vahe Avedissian)
Subject: developing under sys 5 unix
Originator: vahe@sparcy.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Robotics Lab.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:08:43 GMT

I don't know if anyone else has the same experience,
but I am always frustrated, and my patience tested
when developing on SGI or other machines running
Sys 5 unix.

The real annoying thing is once you run a program
with a bug, the system tends to completely stop responding
to interrupts or anything else, the windowing
system and manager are rendered unresponsive too.
You just sit there and wait for the system to eventually
(i.e. anywhere from 3 - 10 minutes or so) core dump.

I've used Sun's for many years and I have rarely seen
the window manager and entire workstation come to a halt.
With Sys 5 unix that seems to be the norm rather than
the exception.

Do I need to reconfigure anything in the kernel/system
setup or am I stuck (plagued) by this forever ?

Any help or suggestions greatly welcome!

impatient,

vya.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: penev@venezia (Penio Penev)
Subject: Re: SCSI floppy disk on INDIGO: Why is it so slooow?
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:21:39 GMT
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Dave Olson (olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com) wrote:
: 
: No!  There *are* s/w buffers on the host.  That doesn't help.  You
: have an embedded drive controller that reads/writes a sector from the
: drive to/from the controller ram, then the controller turns around
: and gives the data to the host (for a write), or is ready to accept
: another command (for a read).  All of that takes time, and by the time
: the next sector is passed to the drive, the drive has already passed
: the next sector, so you lose a rev.  This is the case whether you
: ask for one sector at a time or 1000.  Basicly the embedded controller
: was designed to be very cheap (as were the 2-3 others available at
: the time, including NCR's), which translates to slow.
:

As far as I remember, the controller has a mode of reading a series of tracks with 
one operation. On the PC the transfer of the data is done by DMA. You specify to
the DMA controller the address and the length and to the FDC the startin sector
and the number of sectors. I do not know what's the connection of the controller
to the SGI boxes (SCSI?), but suppose that analogous interface would work. 
I remember 300Mbits/sec on the 720Kb floppies and 500 on the 1.2M ones. 
This is of course the upper limit.

-- Penio.
 
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From: penev@venezia (Penio Penev)
Subject: Re: compiling metamail
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:13:51 GMT
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Bill Silvert (silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca) wrote:
: When I try to compile metamail I get the following error:
: 
:         (cd richmail ; make  CONFIGDIR=../.  CFLAGS="-g -I.    -DSYSV" LDLIBS="-lsun -lc_s")
:         cc -I../. -g -I.    -DSYSV -o richtext richtext.o richlex.o richset.o usascii.o iso2022.o -ltermcap -lsun -lc_s
: /usr/bin/ld:
: Undefined:
: FinalizeTerminal
: FPUTS
: outputstr
: ResetTerminalCodes
: MakeWorkingMargins
: outputc
: Pause
: fputsmovingright
: realoutputc
: *** Error code 1
: 
: Stop.
: 
: Any ideas what library or other that I am missing?

One idea is to 'grep FinalizeTerminal /usr/include/*.h' for a definition
of the functions in the header files. Once You know in which header it
resides, You can guess in what library it is. If this is not evident
from the name of the header file, You can grep again for "#include
Your_header_file.h" to see who needs it. Of course You should scan all
other places, where You keep heared files, like the subdirectories of
/usr/include.

If this is not a standard library, but part of Your application, You
can grep the .c and .h sources of Your app for the occurences of the
functions and check whether the source.c is compiled and linked.

I guess this is not a particular solution, but rather general one to
address there problems. Sorry, but I am not a C programmer, so I do
not know the libraries.

-- Penio.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
Subject: Dig 2.0 on IRIX
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:06:32 GMT


Has anyone successfully compiled dig 2.0 under IRIX?  I have made the
attempt on my 4D/35 (IRIX 4.0.5), but while it compiles, it doesn't
work (it gives timeout errors with the name server).  Any suggestions?

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From: achim@video1.han.de (Joachim Gothe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: ?FAQ? where is an NROFF for IRIX 4.x
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 19:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: achim@video1.han.de  (Joachim Gothe)
Organization: System-Manager FH-Hannover FB Kunst&Design
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Hi,

where can I find a nroff or groff -binary for my Indigo ?

thanks,

Achim

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From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy)
Subject: Re: Timeslave bug?
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi
Organization: Yale University--Genetics
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:44:54 GMT

I have a related question.  About every other month, a problem
at Yale Computer Center causes the campus timeserver to
jump around wildly.  The usual result is a bunch of
"time changed..." messages in my SYSLOG until eventually
cron begins to complain.

Is there a way of telling timeslave to perform a sanity check and
not follow such chaos?  Maybe it could make *small* corrections
but ignore corrections larger than some limit except for noting
them in SYSLOG?

Matt Healy
"I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab
 net pretends to work!"

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu
From: mcdonald@afwlmvax.aedc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: gnuplot 3.2 on 8bit indigo?
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:05:02 GMT

Here at AEDC we use gnuplot on several different platforms.  It has performed
great on all platforms thus far, until we tried to use it on an Indigo with
8bit graphics.  I have compiled both the IRIS4D and the X11 versions and both
have the same actions.  The plots seem to work fine with the exception of the
axes not displaying on either the X11 or IRIS4D version.  Anyone got gnuplot
running on an 8bit Indigo?  If so, what changes did you have to make?

Here is my hinv listing:
1 33 MHZ IP12 Processor
FPU: MIPS R2010A/R3010 VLSI Floating Point Chip Revision: 4.0
CPU: MIPS R2000A/R3000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0
On-board serial ports: 2
Data cache size: 32 Kbytes
Instruction cache size: 32 Kbytes
Main memory size: 16 Mbytes
Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 0
CDROM: unit 4 on SCSI controller 0
Tape drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 0: DAT
Disk drive / removable media: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0: 720K/1.44M floppy
Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0
Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C
Iris Audio Processor: revision 10
Graphics board: LG1

Thanks for any info.

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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: Upgrading 4.0.1 & 4.0.4 systems
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:47:15 GMT

In <1993Jan6.032122.14857@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes:
| This issue came up before, but I don't think anything was offered
| as a good solution, only some bad solutions were pointed out.
| The issue is this: IS THERE ANY EASIER/FASTER TO UPGRADE A NUMBER
| OF MACHINES (5-100) BESIDES ONE AT A TIME? What do the "big boys"
| at SGI Corp Hdq's do when going from 4.0.1 -> -> -> 4.0.5F now
| that you have ditched your MacIntoshes for Indigos?

We use inst, almost exclusively.  Some of use a slightly hacked version
that allows interactive installs (even of 'miniroot only' subsystems),
but most don't (that feature will be in a future released version of
inst).

Most people do network installs, sometimes from a local host (on the
same net), sometimes from hosts 3 or 4 routers away (ethernet and/or
fddi).  A few people use CD's or tape.

In some rare cases we use rdist.

It is true that for the current released inst, you have to have
somebody (system admin, or whoever) walk around and start the inst's,
but unless they are widely physically seperated, you can do 20-25
overnight (start them shortly before you go home), and expect them all
to finish by the morning.

With the newer versions of inst that will be available in the future,
since you can start them from rsh (in all but the most incompatible
upgrades), one shouldn't even have to walk around to the systems to
start the process.

I speak from knowledge as a part time system/network admin, among
other things.

Finally, in the specific case you cite of new machines, the obvious
thing to do is what we do in the factory for the systems we ship
with the O/S installed.  Create a master disk with the stuff you want
on it (including local customizations), and then copy it to all the
other drives before handing out the systems (there are many ways to
do that).  We do all of our drive copying on SGI systems, usually
with a system disk, a master disk, and 5 disks being duplicated.
You can make the system and master be the same in many cases.  It doesn't
take long to make the copies.  Of course, we don't have to worry about
setting /etc/sys_id, or users home dirs and /etc/passwd, but that isn't
that big a deal to add.
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From: jxl50@po.CWRU.Edu (Jing Liu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: cmplrs/stsupport.h
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:17:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jxl50@po.CWRU.Edu (Jing Liu)
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I was trying to compile GCC-2.3.3 on an IRIS I have an account on, and it
works, except for the fact it is missing "cmplrs/stsupport.h".  The
directory is there, but not files...  If anyone has this file I would like
to know what is in it...

Thanks in advance!

GB!
-- 
Jing (Jim) Liu
jxl50@po.CWRU.Edu
"Chill baby chill!"
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