From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Re: continuation on Cyprus, Palikaria, Enosis, EOKA
Summary: Cyprus has never and will never be Greek
Keywords: Makarios, Palikaria, Vasiliou, EOKA, ENOSIS
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:17:50 GMT
Expires: January 1994

In article <9212161947.AA20971@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

Let's see what you have laid this time, Spiro!

>Ok, Okan, tell me just ONE thing here. You keep writing about ENOSIS
>and the such, and hell, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and
>believe you, that, indeed, the GC's wanted ENOSIS more than anything 
>else...

   You don't have to give me the benefit of doubt for that. ENOSIS (union
of Cyprus with Greece) was and is still a live fact. If you are ignorant
enough to see the fact that significant Greek Cypriot majority wants union
with 'mother' Greece, then hell, plug your ears too.

 
>So, tell me, Okan, why in the world would they want Enosis? To get
>stuck with the Greek Bureaucracy, taxes, laws, etc?

    Does 'Megalo Idea' ring a bell for you, Spiro?

>The ones I met had a very distinct Cypriot identity. I had a couple
>of roommates from Cyprus for a while, and they were all quite a bit
>serious about studying (their grades reflected that). The Turkish
>Cypriots we met at school were also that (shit their math was good!)
>and we all seemed to get along quite well...

    You are contradicting yourself Spiro. There has never been a single  
distinct Cypriot nation in the history of earth, Spiro. Yes, the people
who live in Cyprus are called Cypriots, just like the ones in Macedonia
are Macedonians, but as far as the nations are concerned, there are two
distinct, totally different and well identified nations in Cyprus: the 
Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots. I hope you don't need to see any
proof to realize that Cyprus has two independent sides, administrations,
peoples, cultures, and everything else. You just can't make it one by
forcibly saying it over and over. Just open your Webster's Dictionary, look
under N/n and find 'nation'. You will hopefully read the following:


na.tion \'na--sh*n\ \-.hu.d\ n [ME nacioun, fr. MF nation, fr. L nation-,
   natio birth,] race, nation, fr. natus, pp. of nasci to be born; akin to L 
   gignere to beget - more at KIN 1a1: NATIONALITY 1a2: a politically 
   organized nationality 1b: a community of people composed of one or more 
   nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and 
   government 1c: a territorial division containing a body of people of one or 
   more nationalities and usu. characterized by relatively large size and 
   independent status archaic  2: GROUP, AGGREGATION 3: a tribe or federation 
   of tribes (as of American Indians) - na.tion.hood n

Now I ask you. Where is the politically organized 'Cypriot' nation? Where is 
the SINGLE community of people which is composed of Turkish Cypriot and Greek
Cypriot nationalities possesing a 'more or less defined territory and 
government' ? Need I go on? You don't need to be at 'delco' to understand
some common sense and see the facts, Spiro. Plus, your being from Greece
puts you at some significant disadvantage in understanding Cyprus issues.

>Spiros

Cheers,
Okan Baysan.