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Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Friday, 2 Oct 1992 13:45:21 CET
From: <SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: J.C SUPERSTAR not good enough for Scotland
 <1992Oct2.001407.11474@ucselx.sdsu.edu>

Please get your facts in order before posting notes onto Netnews you mentioned
Celtic`s all Catholic board sorry my dear you are wrong.Celtic have David Smith
a prodestant and a mason on their board!Also when did Gary McCallister start to
play on the left side of the park?
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Bulgaria round 7 and 8
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:40:39 GMT

Correction Round 6:
Chernomorets  1-2 Levski (not 0-2)

Round 7
Beroe         1-4 Loko S
Sliven        1-1 Loko GO
Slavia        2-2 Chernomorets
Spartak Vn    3-0 Haskovo
Pirin         1-0 CSKA             (!)
Etar          2-1 Loko Pl
Botev         4-2 Dobrudja
Levski        5-0 Yantra

Round 8
Haskovo       0-0 Chernomorets
Yantra        2-0 Slavia
Dobrudja      0-4 Levski
Loko GO       3-1 Botev
Loko Pl       3-0 Sliven
CSKA          1-1 Etar
Spartak Vn    0-0 Beroe
Loko S        4-2 Pirin

-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Cyprus results - 2nd week
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:24:57 GMT

Here are the results for the 2nd week of the Cyprus championship. As you can
see there were many surprises:

EUAGORAS     1 APOEL        1
OLYMPIAKOS   2 POL          1
AEL          0 SALAMINA     3
ENWSIS       2 ARIS         4
EPA          1 APOLLWN      4
OMONOIA      7 APOP         1
ANORTHOSIS   0 AXNA         1

Postponed games from last week:

Salamina - Euagoras 3-0
AEL - Paralimni 5-1


                    Cyprus Championship  10/4/1992

                                   Gm     P      TY   TK
            ( 1)  SALAMINA         2      6      6    0
            ( 2)  AXNA             2      6      3    0
            ----------------------------------------------
            ( 3)  OMONOIA          2      4     11    5
            ( 4)  APOEL            2      4      5    1
            ( 5)  APOLLWN          2      4      8    5
            ( 6)  ENWSIS           2      3      5    4
            ( 7)  ANORTHOSIS       2      3      3    2
            ( 8)  ARIS             2      3      4    4
            ( 9)  OLYMPIAKOS       2      3      2    5
            (10)  POL              2      1      2    3
            (11)  EPA              2      1      2    5
            (12)  EUAGORAS         2      1      1    4
            ---------------------------------------------
            (13)  AEL              2      0      0    6
            (14)  APOP             2      0      2   10


Theodore.
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Pro Soccer League in North America
Date: 2 Oct 1992 13:38:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Attn: Scott
Re: Winter vs Summer

OK, points well taken. As a native New Englander I know all about
unSpringlike weather in April and May. T.S. Eliot was writing from
Boston when he said "April is the cruelest month."

You are also correct in stating that what is needed is only a "moderate"
degree of success, in terms of a % of total fan base in the US. 6% of
250 million is a lot of fans. To my mind the sticking points are TV
and long term corporate sponsorship. And unless someone of the
calibre of Budweiser, Coca Cola, Gillette, Mars, Master Card, American
Airlines (all of whom sponsor *international* soccer with very high
visibility), then a strong Pro Soccer league (beyond the current
efforts of the APSL) is simply not going to happen.

The mystery to me is why there has been no one from either the WC '94
group, the regional venues, "defunct" APSL franchises, or the USSF who
has even tried to put this together. I guess Paul Gardner (in Soccer
America) would say that the WC people think "big events" but are not
"soccer people" while the "soccer people" (USSF and defunct APSL teams)
think much, much too small.

Any thoughts, folks?

Best, Chris

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From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championsip of Rio de Janeiro - BR
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:05:34 -0500
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Championship of state of Rio de Janeiro , Brazil

                     Taca Guanabara
                     """"""""""""""
Sep. 30th
---------
 Madureira      1-1  Fluminense
 Kidoka 45(1)        Vagner 28(1)

 Campo Grande   1-0  America-RJ
 Falcao 29(1)

 Volta Redonda  1-1  America-TR
 Eduardo 8(2)        Serginho 30(2)

 Flamengo       4-1  Americano
 Zinho (P)42(1)      Berg 40(1)
 Junior Baiano 6(2)
 Gaucho 27(2)
 Paulo Nunes 38(2)

 Next Games :  Today       Itaperuna - Botafogo
                           Vasco da Gama - Bangu


Team             G   W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Vasco da Gama    9   7   2   0    16-01     16
Flamengo        10   7   1   2    25-10     15
Madureira       10   5   4   1    09-08     14
Bangu            9   5   3   1    12-06     13
Fluminense      10   5   3   2    19-09     13
Botafogo         9   4   3   2    09-07     11
America-TR      10   2   4   4    10-14      8
Volta Redonda   10   2   4   4    05-10      8
Americano       10   2   1   7    09-17      5
Campo Grande    10   2   1   7    06-20      5
America-RJ      10   1   3   6    08-15      5
Itaperuna        9   0   3   6    06-17      3
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: wlodek@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de (Wlodzimierz Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Galatasaray-Katowice 
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:59:47 GMT

michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper) writes:
>So Katowice gave a probe of their usual standard.  They never miss it!
>Geez, I've never seen a more hopeless team than Katowice in my life!
>They can lose anything you can only think of!  I wonder what they would
>do if set against NO adversary team.  Maybe score some own-goal...

Is the polish league so bad ? How could they qualify for the UEFA-Cup ?
They had a georgian player Gurulli. Is he still playing with them ?

As I am from Warsaw, I was a fan of Legia. You know - Deyna, Gadocha,
Stachurski etc. ! But I can't forget Lubanski, Lato, Boniek, Tomaszewski,
Szarmach etc. from other clubs too.

It seems, we have no excellent players in Poland any more. And are some
polish players striking for european teams ? 
In the Bundesliga we have only "older" players like Lesniak and Rudy.
Buncol and Wojciciki are with second class clubs (although Wojcicki is 
a german now).

Greetings, W.Kasprzak
From: colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Re;BIG, ENORMOUS etc....
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:02:19 GMT
Organization: Praxis, Warwick, U.K.

In article <199210012314.AA08407@rata.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:
>Talking of big clubs, what about Newcastle United? 30,000 crowds at home
>for every league game, the gates closed before 2:30 and for the Portsmouth
>game, upwards of 3000 locked outside. That puts the vast majority of the
>"Premier League" to shame.
>
>Oh yeah, they have now played 13 league and cup games this season and
>haven't lost yet, and they've won 8 out of 8 in the League in case you
>didn't know.
>
>Wonder how many will be locked out for the Tranmere game a week Saturday???

Not many as the home games are now all ALL-TICKET. All season tickets
have been sold and it's becoming a lottery as to whether you can get
into the ground. Think about it guys no cash sales on the day. Is your
club THAT big???

Colin Shield
From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer Videos
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:05:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.BvD1Ds.Bxy
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

In article <1992Sep29.201243.14877@CS.ORST.EDU> visconm@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Marcello Visconti) writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>I just received a catalog from TRACE VIDEO SPORTS CLUB (1-800-237-5011) and
>I want to have some references on their videos before I get involved. (Two
>years ago I bought a 'World Cup History' video for 30 bucks, and not only
>was the soccer material dissapointing, but they wasted too much time 
>showcasing two refs and to top it all: a few Budwaiser ads!!! The tape is
>very short and the coverage is quite 'superficial', although some of the 
>oldest footage is worth watching. I remember seeing this tape advertised in
>UNIVISION during Italy 90. It got me ....)
>
>These people have videos on Soccer and Rugby. The ones on Soccer are concerned
>with the World Cup, Instruction & Coaching, European Football (a few old matches
>and highlights), celebrity players, England matches and Cosmos matches.
>
>I am most interested in the World Cup tapes.
>They have a tape on Mexico 70, one on Mexico 86, one on Brazil 58-62-70,
>many Italia 90 matches and highlights, and one on Germany 74.
>
>Anyone knows anything about these videos?
>
>BTW, I would also like to have a video on Argentina 78 and one on Spain 82.
>Anybody knows how? 
>
>Marcello.
>
>-- 
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Marcello Visconti                 visconm@cs.orst.edu            |
>| Computer Science Department       Oregon State University        | 
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+

I have purchased the Mexico '70, '86; Brazil 58-62-70; Germany '74; and
the Italia '90 highlight tapes.  Of these the best is Italia '90 as far
as entertainment and quality (surprising because the tournament itself
IMHO was not that great) probably due to editing :-).  I also enjoyed the
Brazil tape, mostly from an historical persepective.  The Mexico '70 tape
is weak in presentation (they follow a small child's perspective of the 
action) but the games and goals are as you know spectacular. Germany '74 and
Mexico '86 are weak IMHO.  I have heard that a tape of the Spain '82 tourny
is available under the name of Gole'.  Any one else have info on this?  I
don't believe Trace has the rights to this as I have never seen it in their
catalog.  I have never seen any info on an Argentina '78 tape.

Best regards,,
Dan "Sweden in WC '94" Sammartino
From: ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: A question on the Brazil side of '86
Date: 4 Oct 1992 03:14:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au


	Since I was a little kid (well, not so little) at the time of
the '86 World Cup, a few little facts slipped my mind about some things
that happened to that Brazillian squad.

	(1) Why was Casagrande dropped from the side and replaced by 
	    Muller? I DO remember that before the Cup Casagrande and
	    Careca were being touted as a deadly striking partnership...

	(2) What happened to Edson and Josimar after WC '86? Did they
	    ever play for Brazil again?

	Thanks... I just had to get these niggling questions off my back


	Eu Hin Chua
	University of Western Australia
From: ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: GOAL and SOCCER at ftp.ulowell.edu
Date: 3 Oct 1992 01:33:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au


	can be found SOMEWHERE in the misc MSDOS games section at
ftp.ulowell.edu, according to one of my friends at any rate :-) For
those who don't know about it, these are two high-quality football
management games for the IBM-PC. Both, but especially GOAL, which has a
wealth of tactical options, come highly recommended.
	And if you can't find 'em, just mail me.

	Cheers


	Eu Hin Chua
From: efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds Utd Question: IMPORTANT
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:36:12 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

I would just like to ask any Leeds supporters at the game or those who
were lucky enough to see the game on TV (It wasn't shown in Scotland as
usual !!) a couple of questions. Firstly regarding the team. I heard a
report that said that Strachan, McCallister, Cantenna and Speed were all
playing. Now I thought that Speed was Welsh, which means that Leeds
played with 4 foreigners. Anybody care to shed any light on it. The
second question was about a goal Leeds were meant to have scored when it
was 3-1. The ball was headed of the underside of the bar or something.
Was it a goal?? If somebody could please give me a bit more detail I
would be grateful. Congratulations to the 3 Scottish clubs who qualified
for the next round, especially Rangers, who with a bit of luck have a
good chance of qualifying for the last eight.

                                Cheers

                                 James
From: S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ukrainian League 5th Round (played Sep 14)
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:48:02 GMT



 Ukrainian League, 5th Round
 ---------------------------
 September 14
 ------------
 Metallurg Zaporozhye - Chernomorets Odessa 0:2
 Shakhter Donetsk - Dnepr Dnepropetrovsk 1:1
 Dinamo Kiev - Tavria Simferopol 1:0
 Metallist Kharkov - Torpedo Zaporozhye 3:2
 Niva Ternopol - Bukovina Chernovtsy 0:0
 Volyn Lutsk - Karpaty Lvov 3:2
 Veres Rovno - Zarya Lugansk 2:0
From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds Utd Question: IMPORTANT
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:16:18 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Haven't the rules on foreigners changed a little this year. I think its something
like if a "foreigner" has been with your side for so many years he is no longer
counted as a foreigner by UEFA???

Yes the ball did look as though it had gone in but the referee didn't give the goal.
It could have gone either way. I've seen goals given........

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		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com

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From: fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds - Stuggart ; UEFA decision !!
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:27:01 GMT
Organization: INESC, Lisboa, Portugal

In article <92279.111637STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET> <STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET> writes:

>Now we've all heard the excuse - 'mistake in the heat of the moment'.
>IMO that's just tough luck (and irrelevant). These are professionals
>we are talking about. They win/lose by their decisions. I know this
>all sounds fairly harsh on Stuggart (and some will probably cite
>English bias as a reason) but they knew the rules of the competition
>beforehand. Why did they have 4 'foreign players' in their squad in
>the first place ? Is a team allowed 4 'foreign players' in the squad
>and then only use 3 ??

I believe it is legal to have 4 foreigners but to play with 3 only.

This said I must agree totataly with you. Rules are rules however 
though they seem to be. 

This said I'm not English, nor am I a Leeds or Stuttgard supporter. 
So I think my opinion is completely unbiased.

>I just hope justice is done and Leeds win the 3rd leg !!

I hope so .

"Dura Lex sed Lex" one once said ... 

-- 
Fernando Manuel Hourtiguet de Vasconcelos ( INESC ) 
Email:  fmhv@inesc.inesc.pt  Phone: +351 (1) 3100216 Fax: +351(1)525843 
Adress: Rua Alves Redol No 9, sala 208 Apartado 10105 
	1017 Lisboa CODEX - Portugal
From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Torino
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:13:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Oct2.181332.1256
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Oct2.094912.5717@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>Hello there!
>
>After last night I really don't understand how Ajax could possibly have won
>the UEFA-cup last year... Remember: the final against Torino?

Torino played well in the final, but Ajax was better, and more
organized in their attacks. I only saw Ajax play twice last year;
once against Genoa, and the other time against Torino. Genoa was
in disarray against Ajax, but Torino held their own, even though
they were missing some players in the final due to injury and due
to suspensions.

>I really must complement Torino with their performance yesterday against
>Norkkoping. What a tremendously good game (from the side of the Italians).
>I haven`t been watching such a nice game since Holland - Germany on the EC
>in Sweden. 

That's good to know. The Torino management have been under harsh
criticism from the fans for transferring many of their key players
from  last season during the summer...

>Especially Scifo and Annoni looked really good to me. WOOOOOWWWWWW, what
>a game! A pity that I'm not living in Italy, then I could have become a
>Granata-tifoso...

You still can become one! :-) Annoni is a very good, well rounded player,
IMHO, he can mark an opposing player cleanly, and not give him space, and
he's also good at moving the ball forwards and making good runs...

>Greetings from just a PSV Eindhoven-fan...

Regards from a Milan fan...

Marco...
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Subject: re: Sounness gets vote
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:22:35 +0000







From: mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ
In Message-ID: <00961660.A7ACF580.26348@matai.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip @MATAI.
VUW.AC.NZ writes:


>Well, I won't say I told you so but the Sword of Damocles now hangs over the
>"Great Saten" (who the hell came up with that name?). How long can he last?
>Votes of confidence usually mean they have already talked to somebody else but
>are haggling about salary and conditions etc...My favourites for the job are

>John Toshack
>Alan Hansen
>Ronnie Moran (Going back to the traditional backroom set up)
>Jimmy Greaves
>Ron Atkinson (Isn't he about due to move on, he's been at Villa far too long..
>              he must be going soft).

>Maybe as an outsider Mark Lawrenson although his foray into the management side

>of things wasn't too successful if I recall (but Brian Horton did well after
>taking over).

>Any thoughts on who the new boss will be?

>Martin

Phil Neal, of course, Coventry assistant manager and England coach. After
all, look how well Coventry are doing. Speaking personally he didn't do
too bad at Bolton. Although the team is still struggling down in the
depths of the football league they were in a far better financial 
position when he left and they were a better footballing team. Mind you,
he's a miserable sod.
Funny how two managers, Bobby Gould & Phil Neal from second or worse rate
teams can bugger off to a PREMIER league team and suddenly they are
up at the top of the league.

Tom Marsh.
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 19:22:17 -0400 
From: Andy Yin Meau <am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Man Utd fans

Dear Man Utd fans in the US,

Recently I received information on a Man Utd support group in the United
States.  I called up the guy there, and he was really nice, he is going
to send me and application to become a member of the Man Utd support
group.  The annual fee is $27.  In return you will get a yearbook, news
letters, badges, posters, catalogs, souvenirs, and the best of them all,
two free Man Utd tickets!  So if any of you want more info, just call or
write to:
USA Manchester United Supporters Branch
Peter Holland,
c/o Direct Data Capture,
4 Bluepoint Road East,
Holtsville,
New York 11742
Phone no. (516) 472-0018
Mr. Holland will send you an application form and he will explain the
details to you.  I just called him up like a few days ago, and I'm
waiting to get the form from him.  If I find out about more detail, I'll
post another message.

Best of luck,
Andy

P.S.  Manchester United rules!
From: blrj_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (MUSTT MALANG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: EVERTON RESULT????
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:37:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Could any kind soul out there put me out of my misery and either post 
or email me the result of the Everton game this weekend.  I haven't seen
a result for them in all the postings.  And if the league table posted is 
right then we should have played Oldham yesterday.
Thanks!!!

MUSTT MALANG
From: pashton@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (Paul Ashton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Wayne Fereday?
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: pashton@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs

From article <Bv4tpF.In4@lut.fi>, by jussi@lut.fi (Jussi Salminen):
> 
> 	Some years ago there was a player named Wayne Fereday 
> playing in QPR. I know he was transferred to Newcastle, but 
> I haven't heard of him since. So could one of you experts on
> English football tell me where is Wayne Fereday today. 
> 
> 	Thank you for answer,
> 
> 			Jussi 


Wayne Feredey is currently playing for West Brom. I've seen the
Baggies a couple of times this season and he has been very impressive
especially when running at the defense. Mind you the whole team are
playing well at the moment.  Ossie Ardiles has certainly taken the
Hawthorns by storm. I hope it lasts and they manage to get promoted.
You never know I might get to see them playing Liverpool and Forest in
Division One next season :-)

Paul.