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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Help: 'BASIC INSTINCT' confusion
Organization: QUAD Systems
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:12:38 GMT

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder) writes:
: In article <1992Dec28.211359.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
: >
: >Sharon Stone's character killed everyone in the movie, and it seems that her
: >framing Beth was so good that many viewers still thought Beth was guilty.
: 
: Geez,I thought it was quite obvious even with a twisted and unimaginative
: script which this movie has.
: 
: Let's face it,"Basic Instict" is slick trash without underwear...
: 

And that, naturally, beats slick trash with underwear.
-- 

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QUAD Systems
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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Unforgiven video release date?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:10:16 GMT
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Does anyone know if/when Unforgiven will be released on video?

Thanks.
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Kevin Costner (was: The Most Overrated Actor)
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:30:50 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Dec21.210303.27309@ulysses.att.com>, jdt@ulysses.att.com 
(Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd]) writes:

> Consistency would be a nice thing, such as the dropping in and out of 
> his supposed accent in Robin Hood.  He should've committed to either
> taking enough voice lessons to get it right or just dropping any pretense
> of having one at all.  

One of the reasons his accent was so poor was this movie had *tremendous*
problems in it's filming and development.  It might have been the director's
wish for him to keep the accent, but I agree it was pretty poor.

But we really can't label Kevin Costner a "BAD ACTOR" based on a poor showing
in one film.  Yes, he was no Errol Flynn (but who is?), but Costner had
a certain amount of charisma in _RH:PoT_ and even did a few decent scenes.

As to who I would have rather seen as Robin Hood...Patrick Bergin was 
excellent in the competing "Robin Hood" project that was pushed off the
big screen, and had to instead be made for TV.  (But is available on 
video!!!)  

Kevin Kline would have been good in the role.  (Any more news the possibility 
of Kline starring in a remake of Flynn's _Captain Blood_?)
 
Julian Sands has the flair, talent, charisma, and accent to have made a 
better Robin Hood.

Possibly Gabriel Byrne...he was just so great in _Miller's Crossing_ and 
_Gothic_...maybe he's a bit too brooding.  But at least he's British.

> He has made a few good films, but I just don't find that he stands above
> anyone else ON HIS ACTING ABILITY alone.

The orginal statment (which you can certainly ignore, but I wanted to get
back on track) was that he was overrated as an ACTOR, not whether he stands
above others...I say he is a fine actor, not one of the best, but certainly
not overrated.

> I'd almost say the same thing about Tom Cruise, but at I feel that 
> his performance in Rain Man made up for a few bad films...

And I'd counter that with _Bull Durham_ and _Dances With Wolves_ *easily*
making up for _Robin Hood_ and _The Bodyguard_.

Greg Bole                         "I have crossed oceans of time to find you."
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         Gary Oldman in _Bram Stoker's Dracula_
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Haircuts and scripts
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:12:55 GMT

>/In some movies actors/actresses undergo quite some changes in how
>/they look.

Priscilla Presley's changed color dramatically between the Naked Gun movies.
How old is she anyway?

>/Anybody has some thoughts about that?

Sure -- don't cut hair.  One of the things that most offended me about
@i(Working Girl) [aside from MG in the first place] was the statement that a
woman with long hair wasn't "serious".
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From: chapmand@chdasic.sps.mot.com (David Chapman)
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Subject: In-joke during Muppet's Christmas movie.
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:00:13 GMT
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Hello,

Did anyone else see the in-joke during the Muppet's Christmas movie?

One of the stores had the name "MICKLEWHITE " on the front.

DC
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: Siskel & Eberts Top 10 of 1992
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:51:32 GMT


Anyone have their 1991 lists?
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Peter's Friends
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:27:15 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <37150018@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, danielw@hpopd.pwd.hp.com 
(Daniel Wink) writes:

> Has Kenneth Branagh's 'Peter's Friends' been released in the
> States yet? 

It opens Christmas Day.  December 25th.

> If so, was it well received? 

Some friends that have seen advanced screenings were a bit dissapointed,
especially with the ending, but everyone thought it was a fine film, and
were impressed, especially with the performances and the humor.  Emmma
Thompson was also praised (big suprise there...she could read the phone
book and I'd praise her, ok, so I'm exagerrating a bit, but she's had a 
great year).

> I'm just curious as I saw it here in dear old Blighty last night, 
> (and liked it) and found myself wondering how those who would probably 
> only know 'our' Ken from 'Dead Again' (if not, please excuse my
> presumption) re-acted to it.

Well, it's true not as many Americans know of him as Brits, and a few 
only know him from _Dead Again_, but he does have a pretty big following
over here, and *those* people know him first of all from _Henry V_.
A number of theatre-goers also have seen some of the Shakespere productions
he's done over here in the States.

I'm a big Branaugh fan, and happen to think he is one of the best new
directors around (and actor for that matter), and I for one am greatly
looking forward to his next number of projects:

_Peter's Friends_ (Dir & Act), _Swing Kids_ (Act), _Much Ado About Nothing_
(Dir & Act), and _Frankenstein_ (Rumored to be Dir & Act)

Greg Bole                         "I have crossed oceans of time to find you."
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu         Gary Oldman in _Bram Stoker's Dracula_
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Problems with DieHard 2
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:42:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec23.001056.19236@spectra.com> johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) writes:

>Sorry if this is a repeat.  I missed the beginning of the thread.
>I thought the most glaring problem with the tower being out of
>communication with the airplanes was that there must have been many
>planes at the gates somebody could have boarded, switched on the radio,
>and let all of the planes in the air know the facts along with
>instructions to divert to an alternate airport immediately.

Um, the Colonel did say that any attempt to contact the planes would have
resulted in strict disciplinary action (and it did).

>Nevertheless, I thought it was a great movie.  You just have to overlook
>the implausabilities.

I thought it was good, but not as good as the first.  Which brings me
to my question:

I've heard people mention the "problems" with Die Hard that they were
willing to overlook, because it was just such a good movie.  What problems
did the movie have?  I thought, plot wise, it was pretty damn sound.

It's been a while, though, so please refresh my memory.

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From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ALL FALL DOWN; Brandon de Wylde
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:06:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan2.012349.18790@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>
>
>  And whatever happened to Brandon de Wylde?  Saw him first
>  in _Hud_ with Paul Newman, and thought he was pretty good.
>  AFD confirmed that for me; it seems he had considerable
>  talent.  But the last work I can find for him was around
>  1965.

Brandon de Wilde was killed in a car accident.  I don't know the 
year, but it was probably in the late 60s. 

My favorite of his performances was as the little boy in Carson 
McCuller's _A Member of the Wedding_, with the enchanting Julie 
Harris. 

--Barbara 

. 



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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Problems with DieHard 2
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:40:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <00965765.53414BE0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:

>I think the point was that in real life the airport would NEVER have let
>the planes just circle for two hours in the hopes that they would have
>things fixed by then.  They would have been diverted immediately.
>But, of course, then there wouldn't have been a movie.

I think 'Die Hard 2' should be granted 'Commando' status. The movie was so
full of plot holes and errors that you just sit back and enjoy it.
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Francais movies
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:40:09 GMT

In article <BzoCKt.Ion@peora.sdc.ccur.com>, tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Nhan Tran) writes:
>
>Please recommand good French movies that one can get from rental outlets.

There's always Jean de Florette and the sequel, Manon de la Source
(Manon of the Spring).

Over the summer, we rented Jesus de Montreal because someone had heard
it was good.  I thought it was well done, but nothing really happens
(although that one scene had us rolling on the floor, the one where they
show various styles of performing the same story).  So, if you don't
like that kind of movie, you probably should stay away from it.

I also highly recommend La Grande Illusion, which was assigned for a
French class I took.  Dunno if it's widely available at rental places
though.

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From: rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:00:30 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Dec23.041911.20067@vlsi.polymtl.ca> d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:
>David Ian Raymond (davidr@cs.uow.edu.au) wrote:
>: Hi,
>:   What was the thing that they threw in the fire at the end with Rosebud
>: written on it and what was its significance? 
>I think ( it has been years since I watched it ) that it was one of the 
>ends of a childs crib.

	ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!
	
	IT WAS THE **SLED**.

	ALLRIGHT?!?!

	THE SLED!!!!!

	This is the most famous scene in the history of movies.
	So... get it right!

x
x
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:36221 alt.cult-movies:11523
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: BLADE RUNNER FAQ Version 0.9
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:24:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
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pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:

> >>12. Why couldn't Tyrell afford a real owl?

> But I phrased this question poorly. It should have read, "Why couldn't Tyrell
> afford a real owl when Sebastien has live doves in his attic?"

Why do you assume that those doves are real?

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From: CT64@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Nicolas Gauvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Question for people in France
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:52:26 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

Somebody told me that Jean-Luc Besson's next movie Atlantide was
allready out in France. Is that true?
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Haircuts and scripts
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:27:48 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Dec14.191135.2405@ncar.ucar.edu> staffelb@acd.ucar.edu (Thomas Staffelbach 497-1499 room 382) writes:
/something I was always wondering:
/In some movies actors/actresses undergo quite some changes in how
/they look. The length of hair changes, beards come and go. I was  
/wondering whether that is a problem while shooting a movie. I guess
/you can do all the long haired stuff first and then gradually cut 
/it as the script demands. Hopefully you don't have to get back
/and shoot some of the other scenes.
/Anybody has some thoughts about that?

Mario Lanza was famous for wild weight fluctuations during filming a movie.
In one movie, you have him entering a building as a slim man, and the
next interior shot of him is as a fat man...
(P.S. ML had a fabulous voice. His Christmas album is the best!)
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From: estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer)
Subject: The Cook...Lover/women's response
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:06:11 GMT


9:19PM  12/26/92

Regarding the movie The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, 
I have some comments, but more importantly, some questions.

First, I was introduced to it by my twenty-four-year-old son. 
He was quite keen on it. I, being not quite twice his age, 
found it interesting cinematically, but dull in language, 
limited in scope, short on anything approaching a philosophical 
message or social comment (at least with any consistency) and, 
in short, childish catharsism. I didn't like it, but I certainly 
wouldn't condemn it.

Now the important stuff. My wife did! Condemn it that is. 
She took such offense that by the point of the sadistic 
torturing of the singing youth, she left the room (I saw it on video).
Later she told me that she was deeply offended. This reached 
the point emotionally that I was targeted for a spell and 
then all men became the target, and finally she settled 
down and claimed that only insensitive (or very young 
and stupid) men would like anything in that movie. 

Well, I challenged her (a mistake?) and said that I 
would look for a group on the net that talked about 
movies and would poll them for opinion.

But I see that there aren't many women posting to 
these groups. While I don't want to discourage the 
opinions of men I do however, somehow want to encourage 
the opinion of women. 

If this kind of topic isn't part of your regular 
discussion then just send email directly to me. 
I'd be much in your debt.

*** Specifically I want to know if women find the 
film particularly offensive to women, and if they 
consider this to be a normal or expected reaction. 
From the men, I don't have any specific questions 
but comments pertaining to the questions I pose to 
the women will still be appreciated.***

Bon Apetite!

Eric



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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:10:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.180922.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> whan@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.092311.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>
>> Here here! someone willing to come out and say that if you've seen one
>> Streep movie, you've seen them all. There's more to acting than accents and 
>> I think she puts the same emotion in every script. I think great 
>> actors are completely different in each movie. You find yourself wondering 
>> if it was indeed the same person. I always know I'm watching Streep 
>> and I feel like I'm watching someone act.

Funny, now that you mention it.  That's the reason I'm  not that thrilled
with her, I guess.
>
>I wouldn't consider myself a Meryl Streep fan but I though she was perfect in

But this is right, as well.  She was a normal person, and she fit.

>Defending Your Life.  And while I'm on the subject, Albert Brooks has got to be
>one of the funniest peopel in films; he reminds me of some of Woody Allen's

Ditto.  (Kind of a pointless post, so far, just agreeing, but...)  You should
hear that guy in an interview.  Especially phone interviews.  The bits he
comes up with are hilarious.  And that's just improvised.

But, more to the point of Overrated Actors, what about the woman that
won an Oscar for her role as the nurse in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
I thought she did a pretty good job, and then I saw her in several later
movies.  What happened?  Some kind of brain injury?  And her career took
a nose-dive, apparently.  It's interesting how some actors are apparently
so influenced by other actors and directors so much that their performance
quality changes from film to film.  Like Robin Williams when the director
lets him go crazy, for instance, and then he can put out a performance
like he did in Awakenings.

GMS
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Player (was Re: Academy Awards)
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:56:59
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu's message of Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:21:00 GMT

takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman) writes:
|organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic) writes...
|>The Player gets my vote all the way.
|It seems to be on everyone's list, which I find puzzling.  The Player was a
|cute movie, clever and well-done, but certainly not a great movie.  Even
|restricting the field to comedies, Husbands and Wives was far better.  Perhaps
|its special appeal to movie buffs explains the high rating?

Easy.  It practically dripped of droll cynicism and subtle irony.
Some folks really like that sort of thing, especially the former.

Personally I loved it.  I don't think it has a chance come Oscar time,
but then, so what?

--
Peace.
               "Okay, okay... let's see.  Perfect woman.  Nice face,
                great tits, great ass, good personality.  In that order."
          "Why that order?"
               "It takes friends longer to notice a bad personality."
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From: jdt@ulysses.att.com (Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd])
Subject: Re: most underated actress/actorclose
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:26:38 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@ulysses.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <BzH81K.6F6@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady) writes:
|> Ooooo . . . I like Genevieve Bujold too!  Don't forget her performance in
|> _Strapless_ . . . Bridget Fonda did a nice job too!


Was she the stand-in for Blair Brown?  Blair was the lead, don't you know...
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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Greatest Movies of All Time
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:14:25 GMT

This has become a popular and controversial thread with much argument and mild 
flaming. I can't believe these films have been overlooked. They are truly 
masterpieces of cinema and outweigh all previous lists:

Foreign:
1:  Gipsy Ginger  (Irish director Teri O'Faye)
2:  My Grandmother's Babushka  (Russian)
3:  The Spot on the Wall  (Korean film by Hu Flung Dung)
4:  Cracked Mirrors Reflecting Clocks  (Swedish; Academy Award nominee)
5:  A Dingo Stole My Baby  (great Australian film

American:

1: The Chartreuse Caboose    with Molly Bee
2: Bigger Than Life    (starring the great Jeff Stryker)
3: Somewhere My Love Lies Sleeping   (with a male chorus)
4: Gymkata  (a work of art; truly misunderstood. Worth seeing for Kurt Thomas 
walking upstairs barefoot, but on his hands!!)
5: Black Devil Doll From Hell


Enough said
This thread is dead !!
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies you loved, but couldn't see more than once.
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:07:52 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1286@xlnt.COM> david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson) writes:
>There are very few movies that I can stand watching more than once.
>"Amadeus" is the only movie I can think of offhand that I
>enjoy seeing again and again.
>-- 
>David Johnson

For me, the ones that I can see over and over again, everytime
finding something to get excited about are:

    The Godfather (I&II--but not III): given my slow and little brain, it took I
    think about five times for me to start making sense who was on what
    side and what was going on in general.  Really.

    Taxi Driver: I don't know why, but this movie really fascinates me.

    Crimes and Misdemeanors: just a little gem, IMVHO, with everything
    working smoothly--the intelligent story, the flawless acting, the 
    perfect directing, and the timeless moral issues raised.
     
    Chinatown: this too was a teaser for my easily-muddled head.  But
    again, it just hypnotises me....

    The Passenger (with Nicholson): for some reson, I found this movie
    very deep--though I have yet to find someone who'll agree with me 
    on this!

    Brazil: for this one, I think it's the music, though the movie
    itself too capitivates my attention from beginning to end.


Ahmed