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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: MSG
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:51:32 GMT

rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
: 
: Are you implying that anyone who has a reaction to MSG is not "normal"?
: While not being allergic to it, I do believe that it gives me headaches.
: Becuase no one has died from it there's nothing to worry about?

No, they are just having an abnormal reaction to MSG.

Some people have life threatening reactions to sugar. Should be all refuse
to use it, because of this?

: I think that a very rational view (and the way I percieved the 60 minutes
: report) is that this stuff has no real benefit, but can cause real problems
: for some people. We have a right to know what products its in so we 
: can avoid it if we want to.

But, it does have benefit. It enhances the taste of food. Maybe that is not
a benefit to you - it is to many others.

As another poster stated - 60 minutes, as usual, blew the subject up all out
of proportion to the risks. But then, they are noted for such tactics.

Do I use MSG? Very seldom - but then, I usually use enough other spices that
it would not add anything noticable to the taste.

Bill
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:14702 rec.radio.shortwave:5989 rec.photo:13350
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.photo
Subject: Re: WARNING KODAK batteries leaked!
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:13:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


With reference to the leaky KODAK batteries, I have to wonder if that
was an isolated experience.  I have been using KODAK batteries in
all manner of equipment for quite some time and NEVER, EVER once
had a leaking battery.  I *do* scrupulously follow manufacturers
suggestions on these things......

Quite honestly, it has been YEARS since I have seen ANY battery
leak....

Duane
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:14726 misc.taxes:2869
From: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.taxes
Subject: Re: Wierd CA Sales Tax Law
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee)
Followup-To: misc.consumers
Distribution: na

> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>I think this is consistent with most states that tax restaurant meals but
>not groceries.  The issue is defining when something is a grocery item and
>when it's a restaurant-type food item.  Typically, pre-packaged items for
>takeout are grocery items while any item eaten on the premises is a
>restaurant item. Also foods served hot are considered restaurant-type
>foods.
	In California the distinction whether something might or might
be taxable is if the place you bought it for provides somewhere to eat
it. If it does, it becomes a served item and is taxed. If not it is
a grocery item, no tax. For example, if you buy an orange juice at a
supermarket's deli counter (with seating area) it is taxed. IF you get
it out of the dairy case in the store, it is not taxed.
JSLee
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon)
Subject: Re: Can foreigners call US 800 toll-free?
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:00:55 GMT

proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:

>In article <1992Jul17.193903.20564@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk> b124767@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Albert Lam) writes:
>>Subject says it. Apologies of this is a silly question but actuall
>>I do not know. 
>>
>>albert

>Certainly foreigners can call 800 numbers toll-free - but only if they
>are in the US when they do it!

>I am 99% certain that you can't call US 800 numbers from outside the US.

The provider of the 800-number can pay the long-distance carrier to provide
the toll-free service to foreign countries served by that long-distance
carrier.  For example, Verdix' Ada support hotline is available to
the USA and Canada (the price for Canada dropped about a year ago, so we
added it).  It isn't economical for Verdix to provide 800-service to
European countries, or to Australia.
-- 
------ Esther Lumsdon   employed by, not speaking for, Verdix Corporation
     It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
  esther@verdix.com  or  esther%verdix.com@uunet.uu.net
From: sbrooks@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Susan Brooks)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: California King Mattress Question
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:31:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Why is it only possible to purchase California King mattresses in California,
Nevada and Hawaii?  Either the Sears or Penney's catalog has this size
available with a notation that restricts purchase to these three states.  We
have a platform waterbed that we'd like to convert to a regular bed by
dropping in a boxspring and then a mattress on top of that.  But, you guessed
it, the dimensions match that of the California King mattress!  Any
suggestions?  Thanks!
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tjs@earth.wustl.edu (tom sullivan)
Subject: Rental Cars & Additional Drivers
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:56:43 GMT


The last two summers, my girl friend (now fiancee) and I have rented a
car on vacation and the rental agency (Avis in this case) imposed a
$10 charge for the additional driver, as we were neither married nor
business associates. I've checked with other agencies, and this
appears to be the standard practice. I could understand it if they
imposed the charge across the board, but the fact that they don't
charge for business associates or spouses seems like a case of
discrimination.

So, why do they charge more for a second driver? What are 
the implications of not paying the fee? 

We both have insurance that covers rental cars and we waive all of the
insurance sold by the rental agency.

Any experience or information would be appreciated.

thanks,

tom

tjs@earth.wustl.edu


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: Rockport shoes.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:23:39 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Jul23.220308.29863@fid.morgan.com>  sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
> That's funny, the ones I'm wearing now are size 10 Wide.  In this
> style, I tried both 9 1/2 and 10 Medium, and neither fit well.

I've also noticed that Rockports seem to be cut sort of narrow.  I usually
take a medium width and also need wide in a Rockport shoe.

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: MSG
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:25:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.181143.25965@walter.bellcore.com>  
jchen@cash.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.173124.1309@cs.yale.edu>,  
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> |> In article <1992Jul22.165731.23990@walter.bellcore.com>  
> |> jchen@cash.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen) writes:
> |> > In article <1992Jul22.164206.732@cs.yale.edu>,  
> |> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> |> > |> In article <1992Jul22.144117.20399@walter.bellcore.com>  
> |> > |> jchen@cash.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen) writes:
> |> > |> > 
> |> > |> > There is  no clinical evidence to link MSG to any health problem to  
a
> |> > |> > normal person. Even for those who are allergic to it, the symptoms  
are
> |> > |> > typically short and mild. Very few had strong reactions, none has  
died
> |> > |> > from consuming it.
> |> > |> 
> |> > |> Nor is there any good reason to use it.  If the food is fresh,
> |> > |> you won't need to make your tongue swollen with MSG to enjoy
> |> > |> the taste.
> |> > |> 
> |> > I certainly agree that MSG is not a neccesity of your life. Nor are
> |> > hot pepper, parsley, cinnamon, or even sugar. As a matter of fact,
> |> > salt and sugar do more harm to your body than MSG.
> |> 
> |> Salt and sugars are naturally occurring substances within
> |> the human body; MSG is not.  In reasonable quantities,
> |> salts and sugars pose no harm to the body.  MSG is a highly
> |> concentrated substance derived from a natural
> |> substance.  Hot peppers, spices, etc have inherent taste;
> |> MSG does not, it just makes your tongue swollen. 
> |> 
> MSG consists of a number of amino acids, which are found naturally
> in living matter, and yes, in human as well. Although MSG will not
> provide nutrition to the human body, it is theoretically harmless to
> a normal human body.
> 
> I am not an advocate MSG, but would like to provide a balanced view on 
> the matter. There have been a lot of blind fear around.  Your statement:
> "IMHO, Avoid it in any quantity." is a typical reaction of that.

No, it is a claim with as much research and empirical support as
your own claim.  Blind fear: hardly, you just disagree, that's all. 
I prefer to avoid things that I don't need in my body, that don't
help good food taste better, etc.  Not fanatical, just pragmatic.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

From: fritz@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (Gary Fritz (tmp))
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:51:25 GMT
Subject: Re: cordless phones
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: misc.consumers

In misc.consumers, dw@unislc.uucp (Dan Wright) writes:
>I bought a low-end AT&T model which closely resembled the high-end AT&T
>model I saw top-rated in Consumer Reports.  The high end may be top-rated
>but my 4-year old Cobra performed better than my new low-end AT&T.
>If you're going for AT&T buy the high end!

I have seen several people say that the 4xxx and 5xxx lines, while they may
look similar, are VERY different in quality.  CR liked one of the 5xxx models.
4xxx models, from what I've heard, should be avoided.

Gary

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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: MSG
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:42:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.144117.20399@walter.bellcore.com>  
jchen@cash.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.031156.29799@pony.Ingres.COM>, rion@Ingres.COM (Rion  
Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
> |> I imagine that most people who frequent this newsgroup have seen or at  
least
> |> heard about the 60 Minutes story on Monosodium Glutamate.  
> 
> There are a lot of misconceptions about MSG. 
> 
> The problem with MSG is that some people are allergic to it, just like
> other natural substance that people are alergic to. If you have not  
experienced
> with MSG related reactions, you do not have to worry about it.
> 
> There is  no clinical evidence to link MSG to any health problem to a
> normal person. Even for those who are allergic to it, the symptoms are
> typically short and mild. Very few had strong reactions, none has died
> of it.

Nor is there any good reason to use it.  If the food is fresh,
you won't need to make your tongue swollen with MSG to enjoy
the taste.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Middle-class salary range
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:05:31 GMT

Brady_David@Tandem.Com (David Brady) writes:
:   
: About "uses things in common":  When I lived with my girlfriend (now my wife)
: we used things in common, but we weren't taxed for it.  It seems like the
: additional tax burden which punishes people for being thrifty.  If roommates
: can pool their resources (like college students or communes or best friends or
: whatever) to save money without a tax bite, why can't married people?  Or
: should roommates be taxed like married people.  That'll go down well.

Should spouses be saddled with alimony payments if they get divorced? It is
an unfair world whenever there is a graduated (so called progressive tax).
I have always felt that a flat tax would be the most equitable - then it
doesn't matter if you are married or not.

: It'll be hard to convince me that I'm better off now (post marriage)  - but you
: can keep on trying!  :-)

I am sure that you are the only one who can decide that. There are advantages
and disadvantages to being married. If you think the disadvantages are greater
then you can always get divorced.  :-)

Bill
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jchen@cash.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: MSG
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:57:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.164206.732@cs.yale.edu>, nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul22.144117.20399@walter.bellcore.com>  
|> jchen@cash.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jason Chen) writes:
|> > 
|> > There is  no clinical evidence to link MSG to any health problem to a
|> > normal person. Even for those who are allergic to it, the symptoms are
|> > typically short and mild. Very few had strong reactions, none has died
|> > from consuming it.
|> 
|> Nor is there any good reason to use it.  If the food is fresh,
|> you won't need to make your tongue swollen with MSG to enjoy
|> the taste.
|> 
I certainly agree that MSG is not a neccesity of your life. Nor are
hot pepper, parsley, cinnamon, or even sugar. As a matter of fact,
salt and sugar do more harm to your body than MSG.

-- 

C. Jason Chen                 
**************E-Mail: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
**************V-Mail: (908)699-6993
**************P-Mail: 444 Hoes Lane, 1E229, Piscataway, NJ
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: MSG
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:58:23 GMT

jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:
: 
: The whole message is very simple: "If you are convinced that you are
: allergic to it, avoid it. If you have had Cambell soups or instand noodle
: or chicken broth or potato chips.... and you have not felt anything wrong,
: don't worry about it."
: 
: Why such a simple "if then" logic so difficult to understand?

Because when a person is convinced that something is the cause of all their
problems in the world, nothing will change their mind. Logic is useless.

Bill
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Airline Antitrust Litigation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:36:52 GMT
Keywords: airlines antitrust litigation refund

rro@cs.ColoState.EDU (Rod Oldehoeft) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.041215.117@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, tjoa@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Tjoa) writes:
>|> 
>|> The address I got (from United Airlines, no less) is:
>|> 
>|> 	Airline Antitrust Litigation Committee
>|> 	P.O. Box 209
>|> 	Philadelphia, PA  19107-9711
>|> 

>This address, without the "-9711", was printed in the NYT article, and
>is where I sent my letter.

>|> Me too!  I hope you saved your ticket stubs/receipts...
>|> 

It seems like it would be a little much to ask to require the individuals to
have receipts that for back.  Shouldn't the airline have records of passengers
and such.  If they do they should be required to make an effort to track
of these folks down.

>In anticipation of needing info for whatever comes back in response
>to my letter, I got copies of all my travel receipts starting in 1989 
>from the travel agency I use.  Took about a week.  Still waiting to
>get a response from this Committee.

I hope I can do the same thru my travel agent.  What carriers and destinations
are in this thing.

Thanks
Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: so@fortran.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C. So)
Subject: Advice on CD players needed
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:21:32 GMT

Greetings everyone.  I am considering buying a CD player but I don't
have any experience with them.  I hope the more experience readers
can give me some general/specific advice.  I have the following questions:

1. Is a discman worth considering (in terms of convenience, price,
   reliability, durability)?
2. Do CD players have speed problems like cassette players sometimes do
   (e.g. playing too fast or too slow)?
3. What is your experience with portable cassettes with CD players?
   Do you think the ones around US$200 are generally of decent quality?
4. Is there any make/model that you would recommend or recommend against?

Thank you in advance.

-- Nicol
From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: 1988 Mazda 323 rotors
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:58:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


I have a 1987 Mazda 323 and have had much the same problems
as you mentioned. At 78,000 miles, I needed to have the
front rotors replaced because they were too thin to
grind down anymore. (as a side question, the Midas repairman
claimed it was against the law for him to grind them down
further than x limit in Florida... Is this true?)

I also noted my valve cover gasket to be leaking oil and
when I went into a Mazda shop to have that and other things
looked at, they claimed it was just a bad oil cap and
replaced it free of charge. Naturally they were wrong and its
still leaking oil, but I don't have any more money or patience
to have it repaired at this time.


-- 
"i've seen kingdoms blow like ashes       ::  John M. Grohol, M.S.
 in the winds of change                   ::  Center for Psychological Studies
 but the power of truth          Indigo   ::  Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL  
 is the fuel for the flame..." - Girls    ::  grohol@novavax.nova.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.misc,soc.singles,soc.couples,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.hongkong,houston.general,austin.general
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Please help Craig
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:44:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.155805.25531@newsgate.sps.mot.com> chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Norman Chiu) writes:
>I am forwarding this message to you.  Please take a moment to
>read it and help toward this worthy cause.  Thanks.
>---------------------------- begin ------------------------------
>Craig Shergold is 7 years old and dying of terminal cancer. 

No he is not!  He is now a 14+ year old kid who has  been  *CURED* and
who wants no more business  cards/post cards/get well  cards.  Neither
does his local post office.

Please help squash this urban legend!
					reb

ps: Documentation available upon request.
From: kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com (kevin.jessup)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Extended warranties on Hondas
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:10:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.


I will be buying a 1992 Honda Civic LX in about a week.  The dealer is
offering an extended warranty plan through Heritage Insurance Group (A
Quaker State Company).

First of all (all you Honda owners out there) do I need a warranty beyond
the 3-year bumper-to-bumper warranty that comes with the car?  (I have a
1988 Mazda 323 for which I bought a $400.00 extended warranty.  Am I
glad I did!!)

Also, has anyone out there dealt with Heritage Insurance?

-- 
Kevin Jessup, bbwwbb@mixcom.mixcom.com
"You've got to know when to code 'em, know when to load 'em, know when to
emulate, know when to run.  You never count your money, when your sittin' at
the keyboard: there'll be time enough for countin', when the software's done."
From: kosowsky@esaki.harvard.edu (Jeffrey J. Kosowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Compressors & Air Tools
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:15:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: esaki.KOSOWSKY.92Jul27121559
	<6275@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <1992Jul24.161217.8558@informix.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Jul24.161217.8558@informix.com> davek@informix.com (David Kosenko) writes:
>   The general rule I have heard for Craftsman tools is:
>
>	   If it has no moving parts, buy it.
>
>   The guarantee on their hand tools is pretty good (or at least used to
>   be - I haven't shopped at Sears in some time): lifetime.  If it breaks,
>   they will replace it.
>
>   Dave
>   --


Does the Craftsman lifetime warrantee include drill bits? (After all, I
might be using them in a hand drill and hence they should qualify as
hand tools)


Jeff Kosowsky
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Cheap, Sturdy Bookcases?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:21:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I went shopping for bookcases recently and was shocked to find
that anything that was reasonably priced was crap, and that
anything that looked sturdy was greatly overpriced (at Ikea).
Does anyone have any suggestions?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Books on improvements?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:37:10 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University


We have considering building a new house and selling our current
one.  Can anyone recommend any books on the relative merits of
improvements/repairs WRT selling the house?  It is a fairly old
house, I believe it was built around the turn of the century.

I may have made a mistake 14 - 15 years ago when I had foam
insulation put in the exterior walls.  It was BASF and is
supposed to be fire retardant.  I never noticed any outgassing
after it was done though.  'Course the walls are lath and plaster
with horse hair plaster.  I suspect it would not be economical to
remove the stuff.
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: jadams@vixen.uucp (26070-adams)
Subject: Re: Furnace/Water Heater opinions needed
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:57:47 GMT
Summary: A.O.Smith is A.O.Kay

In article <Brr39G.2C7@mail.boi.hp.com>, ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill) writes:
> Howdy, All!
> 
> The wife & I are in the process of finalizing our house plans.  Presently,
> our builder wishes to use an A.O. Smith water heater and a Day & Night Formula
                               ^^^^^^^^^^ Have one in my house for over 16
			       years without a bit of problems....Never
			       heard of Day & Night Formula brand
			       furnaces!
Jack (John) Adams		| Bellcore RRC 4B-259
(908) 699-3447 {Voice}		| (908) 336-2871 {Facsimile}
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