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From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: steelers V bears
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:42:31 GMT

In article <Bz7vnB.LMv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Mraz) writes:

     Yes, there is a Santa Claus, Bears fans. Chicago beat up on Pittsburgh
     30-6 in Mike Singletary's finale at Soldier Field.  The defensed stopped
     Barry Foster and the secondary did well also (although the Steelers' WR's
     dropped a lot of passes).  Plus the Bears actually had an effective pass
     rush.  The Bears' special teams played great, with a big runback by
     Donnell Wolford on a punt return and a blocked punt by Mark Green.  The
     running game showed a pulse; Neal Anderson had a good game rushing.  All
     in all it was a great performance by the Bears.

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I think all of the Bears' defeats should be blamed on Jim Harbugh
(sp).  He should have offered his weekly pay to charity 7 weeks ago :))

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Come back instant replay !!!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:28 GMT

>I am encouraged by this game!  Dallas went into RFK against a red-hot defending
>Super Bowl Champion and dominated the game.  The Redskin's defense took 
>advantage of Dallas mistakes and made a couple of huge plays to pull it out
>for Washington.  Dallas lost, but they are still the more rounded team.
>
>David

I couldn't believe the Redskins ran two flea-flickers in the first half.  It
was like their gameplan was saying, "We can't beat these guys straight up."

GT
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Saints fans
Organization: ^$
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:00:54 GMT

In article <101540@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

 (written prior to Rams drubbing)

>Hey,
>
>What happened to all the Saints fans??  It's no fun hearing woofing only
>from Packer/Vikings/Cowboys fans!!

 Quietly awaiting the playoffs. THEN we'll woof! (after ending 49ers SB hopes).

>Seriously though, what's the offensive call for this week?  Hebert was
>airing them out a few weeks ago but then they got conservative again 
>(offense has scored only 1 TD in 10 quarters while defense has scored
>3).

 Hebert hasn't quit airing it out, unless you meant into the endzone
(actually, there were 2 dropped TD passes in the endzone against Atlanta).
The offense seems to be able to move the ball at will between the 10's, 
then, as they say, shit happens. Thank God for M. Andersen. Ya gotta think
if they can keep getting the ball into the red zone, Hilliard and Heyward
will eventually get it in.

>Any way the GIANTS could take W. Martin off your hands???
>

 No.

>satish nair
>go giants

Nelson

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 05:58:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec20.000946.15982@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <matjmm.724714543@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris) writes:
>>Not. Dallas clearly blew the game with the Redskins. Stupid mistakes. 
>Mistakes are part of the game. You make a lot of mistakes, I don't. So
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
				Hahahahahahhohohohohohoheheheheehehe
				Wow.. coming from Ed this is, as a wise man
				once said.. "...so ridiculous"
>who deserves to win?
>
>>Whether Troy 
>>fumbled or not, Emmitt should have just sat on it. Although the other
>>plays in the game were important, this was most critical, since it put the
>>Cowboys behind and they never recovered. I agree with whoever said that
>>Dallas lost the game.
>Even Emmitt sat on it and gave up a safety, the game wasn't over then.
>The Skins would have had the ball in midfield.  Who knows what's going 
>to happen next? It's not a cinch that the Boys would have won the game. 
>So why speculate?

Why not, you are... what golden rule gives the Skins the ball at midfield??
Guess you are "speculating" that they would have it there, right???
>
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>                                          


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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: CRUNCH TIME - FISH PULL IF OFF!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:19:11 GMT

FINAL:  JETS  17  DOLPHINS  19

KEY SCORING PLAYS OF THE GAME!

Marino pass to Mark Clayton, breaks tackles and 
bounces off three Defenders - TD!

Jets  0  Dolphins  7

Nagle play action fake, pass deep right to an open WR (forgot
his name) defended by Troy Vincent, TD! Beautiful play action fake
by Nagle.

Jets  7  Dolphins  7

Marino attempts play action fake, passes left and ball is
tipped in the hands of Bobby Houston who returns the ball
for a 20 yard TD (he first career INT and TD)!!!

Jets  14  Dolphins  7

Stoyanovich FG - GOOD
Blanchard 35 yard FG attempt - GOOD!

Jets  17  Dolphins  10

Dolphins Crunch time!!! Crucial play 3-1...run up the middle, 
Humphrey stopped. 4-2 they are going for it.
Shotgun, pass right to an open Martin and runs in for
TD!  Excellent call, great speedone , no touches him.
Stoyanovich MISSES the extra point to TIE the game!!!

Jets 17  Dolphins 16 !!!!!!

Why in the Hell did Mathis run out of bounds on the
kick-off return! CRUNCH TIME. Jets need a first down.
The Jets run up the middle 2-9. Up the middle again.
3-7, 2:00 warning. Hmmm exciting.

3rd and 7....Nagle HOs to Brown, stopped in the
backfield for a LOSS. Migthy stupid play calling IMHO.
Just gives the FISH another opportunity to win the game.

A 29 yard shank by Aguilar!!!  
CRUNCH TIME AGAIN. Big play needed. Can Marino do it?
Can Stoyanovich get a redeemption?

1-15  Marino scrambles and throws ball away. 
:46 left in game. Duper has yet to catch a ball.
Marino passes to left to Duper, good catch, good run,
1st down. Big Play.

:39 HO up the middle, short gain. 2-7 Marino spikes the
ball with :12 left. setup for Stoyanovich to kick the
winning FG 37 yard attempt....GOOD!
Marino got the job time when it counted. Sorry Jills
fans.:-)

Jets  17  Dolphins 19

THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: markn@urbino.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tim Harris -- Rootin' Tootin' 9'er
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:27:17 GMT
Reply-To: markn@urbino.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

>  C'mon you guys are just sore that you lost one of the better 
>  linebackers in the league for a mere low 2nd round pick and to top
>  it, it seems that Tim Harris has cleaned up his off-field
>  act and in fact seems to be far better adjusted to his team-mates
>  than Charles Haley. (Incidentally, one probable reason Harris had his 
>  six-shooters out instead of folding them under his arms is that
>  he was back on his old hunting grounds)
> 
>  Ashu Rege
>  P.S. Who _did_ Green Bay get for the 2nd rounder ?

  Nobody yet. They traded Harris to San Francisco for 2 2nd rounders
and when he got a DUI in San Jose just a few days after being traded
the niners started crying that he had some kind of alcholol/drug problems
that the Pcakers were hiding. Then a few weeks later when the Packers
wanted to hire Mike Holmgren the Niners offensive coordinator they said
they wouldn't let him go, then Tagliabue said you have to, then they said they
would appeal it awhich would block the move until around draft time,etc...
  So Green Bay offered to give them back 1992's 2nd pick if they would
let Holmgren leave and they agreed. So what Green bay is left with is
a second round pick in 1993. 

Mark Nass




  No
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Cleveland Browns weekly digest?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 02:15:11 GMT

Is there such a publication currently in print? I was considering getting
a subscription for a friend. Please email response, thanks.

Bart
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:16:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1992Dec18.165839.13570@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.040840.15257@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes...

>>>Well, in that case Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott are not the best ever 
>>>players at their positions because players today are much bigger, 
>>>stronger, and faster than they were in the 80s.  And the game is even 
>>>more mentally demanding now than it was then.

>>1) the distinctions are magnified when comparing teams

>If you really want to stick to this argument than I suggest that the 
>91 Redskins are the best team of all time but until Jan 31.

Knock it off.  I refuse to believe you can't see the difference between
going back 25 years and going back a couple.

>>2) Montana and Lott still play.

>Montana, right now, is not as good as Brett Favre.  In fact, Montana 
>was probably never as strong, fast, and certainly not as big as Brett 
>Favre is now.

I don't know that this is true, but in any event, the QB position is
probably the least likely to be advanced by pure athletic improvement.

>(No, I'm not saying Favre is the best QB of all time.  I'm simply 
>showing that your argument can be reduced to an absurdity.)

My "argument" is that one could make a case that due to long-term
advancements in athletic development, teams of today are in general
better than teams of 25-30 years ago.  And you can extend that to
championship teams.  You've misapplied it to individual players and
distorted it by looking at single-year intervals.

Now, who's being absurd?
-- 
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWLS
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:08:34 GMT

fvaughn@lynx.crc.northeastern.Edu (Frederick E. Vaughn) writes:
>
>I know that this is probably an FAQ that's been asked to death, but could
>someone PLEEEEEEEEZE list the sites of the previous 26 Super Bowls (cities and
>stadiums, s'il vous plait)?


I	Memorial Coliseum, L.A.		GB 35, KC 10
II	Orange Bowl, Miami		GB 33, Oak 14
III	Orange Bowl, Miami		NYJ 16, Balt 7
IV	Tulane Stadiom, N.O.		KC 23, Minn 7
V	Orange Bowl, Miami		Balt 16, Dal 13
VI	Tulane Stadiom, N.O.		Dal 24, Mia 3
VII	Memorial Coliseum, L.A.		Mia 14, Wash 7
VIII	Rice Stadium, Houston		Mia 24, Minn 7
IX	Tulane Stadiom, N.O.		Pitt 16, Minn 6
X	Orange Bowl, Miami		Pitt 21, Dal 17
XI	Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA		Oak 32, Minn 14
XII	Louisiana Superdome, N.O.	Dal 27, Den 10
XIII	Orange Bowl, Miami		Pitt 35, Dal 31
XIV	Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA		Pitt 31, LA 19
XV	Louisiana Superdome, N.O.	Oak 27, Phil 10
XVI	Pontiac Silverdome, MI		SF 26, Cin 21
XVII	Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA		Wash 27, Mia 17
XVIII	Tampa Stadium, FL		Rdrs 38, Wash 9
XIX	Stanford Stadium, CA		SF 38, Mia 16
XX	Louisiana Superdome, N.O.	Chi 46, NE 10
XXI	Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA		Den 20, NYG 39
XXII	Jack Murphy, San Diego		Wash 42, Den 10
XXIII	Joe Robbie Stadium, Miami	Cin 16, SF 20
XIV	Louisiana Superdome, N.O.	SF 55, Den 10
XXV	Tampa Stadium, FL		NYG 20, Buf 19
XXVI	Metrodome, Minneapolis		Wash 37, Buf 24
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:40:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec18.025707.1185@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> bhuva_da@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Devang A Bhuva) writes:

>Do the Redskins have to win the next two games
>to make the playoffs?  (and get home field advantage for one of the games)??

The redskins make the playoffs if they beat the eagles on sunday. Period.
They can still make the playoffs if they lose to the eagles and win against
the raiders.

Now, regarding getting home field advantage, there is one possibility as one
of the guys on the net suggested a PLANE CRASH...
NOPE no playoff games at RFK this year. 

-Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan..
GO EAGLES....
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: John Taylor/Watters Status
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:37:51 GMT

In article <1gagv5INN12p@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:

>Taylor will play.  Watters will not start but may play.  Lee will
>and should get most of the carries, and I would guess Rathman will
>help out mostly as a blocking back to shore up dinged O line.  This
>would have been a great opportunity for Dexter, as I think he was
>drafted to be a factor in the indoor games, but he won't be ready
>for a few weeks.

Quite a few.  He has a chipped shoulder bone from the game against
the Fins and is done for the season.

>I'm really happy with Amp Lee, he's not Watters, but he certainly
>is capable, and I love the fact that he doesn't fumble (or hasn't
>yet).  My biggest concern is the state of the O line which is the
>anchor for this great offense.  

Not a knock on either of their replacements, but Watters' and Barton's
absences are going to put a different tone on the Niners' game plan.
Look for lots of two tight end formations, more passes to Brent Jones
than usual, and a bunch of scrambling by Young.

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT OT IN PLAYOFFS
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <27000181@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>>Dec 1977: Oakland at Baltimore, 37-31
>
>The wonderful Jones vs Stabler game.  This was the day most Raider fans
>declared Casper a God!



Was this the one with the "Ghost to the Post" play?

satish nair
go giants

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:20:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Broncos News: Elway *will* play!
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:20:34 GMT

  The latest news is that Elway will definitely play Sunday's game against
  the Seahawks.

  However, his return is too little too late. Even if Denver wins its last
  two games, 9-7 is a pretty lousy record for going into the playoffs.

  This season has pretty much been a wash for the Broncos, as no-one has
  really played that well. Elway, the OL, Gaston Green, and the WRs have had
  an atrocious offensive output. Indeed, Denver was shut out twice, for the
  first time in the history of the franchise. That's hard to believe, con-
  sidering how incredibly awful the Broncos were for the first 15-16 years
  or so.

  Also, the defense, which definitely helped the Broncos to their 12-4 record
  last season, and almost got them into the Super Bowl, has played quite 
  poorly. The ease with which Dallas scored its winning touchdown as well
  as the much-too-high number of big plays that opponents made shows that
  the usually-dependable defense was not up to par. Mike Croel and Steve
  Atwater, two of the big players last season, have barely made a peep this
  season, Atwater (in part) because of chronic minor injuries. 

  Lastly, is Elway doesn't pull out miracle wins against Kansas City, the
  Raiders, and Houston, Denver is at 4-10. I believe 4-10 much more accur-
  ately reflects the quality of this season's Broncos team.

  Off-season developments (whether or not Reeves stays, the free agency mess,
  and so on) will greatly determine if Denver has a good team next season.
  At this point, it's hard to say, but I wouldn't expect a miracle.

  PS -- One last news item - Michael Young, who was cut a couple weeks back,
  was called by Dan Reeves and asked to rejoin the team. Young said no, be-
  cause a) IMHO, he was given the shaft and b) he is considering getting out
  of football altogether. I suspect last season was the last we'll see of
  Michael Young. He was a good player.

--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Questions for Viking's fans
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:16:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.132400.28325@uc.msc.edu> bob@msc.edu (Robert Hanson) writes:
>1. Do you think MN will win the division?  If yes, how far do you think
>   they will go in the playoffs?

I hate to say it, but if the Vikes don't beat Pitt, I honestly think they'll
blow it.>
>2. With all of the current talk about getting a new QB, who would you  
>   like to see come to MN.  A local radio announcer thought Boomer
>   Esiason would be a good (and available) choice?

I think Boomer wouldn't be the Vikes first, or best choice.  Look for them to
try to trade up in the draft order and get Drew Bledsoe from Wash. St. >
>3. Speaking of QB, how good is Brad Johnson.  Is he just a perrenial
>   backup, or does he have potential to be a good starter?

Johnson is strictly a backup.  He started at Florida St. as a junior before 
being benched in favor of Casey Weldon (where is HE now? He has a good strong 
arm, but no experience and no speedy receivers. >
>4. What positions, other than QB, do you think MN will be looking for in
>   the draft?  I personally think they need to bring in a speed receiver.

As I stated earlier, I personally think the Vikes should go for a QB first.  I
don't believe that either Rich Gannon or Sean Salisbury is a playoff caliber 
quarterback.  After that, the Vikes really need a speedy, sure handed receiver
and more depth at both offensive line and defensive secondary.  A healthy Najee
Mustafaa (Reggie Rutland) and Tripp Wellbourne would help them on defense.
>
>
>				-Bob-

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

Purple and gold is starting to clog my veins.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: defensive statistics, week 15
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:47:10 GMT

In article <3161@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
> 
> 		       yardage		    rank
> team		total	rush	pass	rush	pass
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Dallas  	3466	1176	2290	2	4
> New Orleans	3596	1369	2227	8	3
> Kansas City	3686	1488	2198	14	1
> Houston 	3689	1342	2347	7	5
> San Diego	3708	1190	2518	3	10


A small request here.. do you have the numbers on number of rushing 
attempts and passing attempts against each team? I feel that the number
of yds given up per carry [or pass] gives a better indication that just the
total yds given up.

Thanks.


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