Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Dutch occupation
From: murray@kiwi.gen.nz (Murray Keen)
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:47:08 GMT
Reply-To: murray@kiwi.gen.nz (Murray Keen)
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand

 
>From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)

>No, that doesn't figure.  Supersonic missiles are still audible.  They would
>just hit before the sound stopped IF they were under full power the whole
>flight.  But they fell when their fuel was exhausted, and probably slowed to
>subsonic speeds close to impact.

 Our news showed footage of a V2 digging a BIG hole somewhere. It looked to
be travelling relatively slowly but it was hard to tell from the perspective.

> (by the end of the war, the RAF and the
>radar guided guns were shooting down 96 out of 100 of them, according to a
>war program I saw on the TV recently, so the speed didn't help a lot.

 The V1 was definitely an easy target, but I doubt the V2 was that easily
defended against.
 The British had radar guided Guns to fend off night bombers but I thought
they were accurate to plus or minus x number of yards - though still a great
improvement over what went before. A near vertically falling rocket would
almost need a direct hit on the warhead to stop. Remember Mr Husseins Scud
rockets? I believe two Patriots were dispatched against each incoming, to
increase the odds.

>Unfortunately, a 4% hit rate is still too high for civilian comfort.)

 The last V2 to hit England landed near a relative of my Fathers. According
to legend he just managed to stagger across the road into the Pub to recover.
:-)

>> She also remembers a Jewish family in her street who went about their
>>business throughout the occupation; none were dragged off or harassed in any
>>way. I've asked her for more information about this aspect of the occupation,
>>but she doesent want to talk about it as she lived through it.

>By itself, this doesn't say a lot.  Perhaps the family didn't tell anyone
>that they were Jewish, and no-one bothered to rat on them to the Nazis.
>And for how long did the Nazis occupy your mother's town?  We'd need to
>hear a lot more about this story before it would have a chance of debunking
>the standard treatment of Jews by the Nazi aggressors.

 Fair enough. You'd need names, places - independantly verifiable facts.
Should I learn more, I'll post it. More stories like this would be needed to
carry more weight.
 I vaguely remember a story about members of her family being employed by the
Jewish family to operate equipment they weren't allowed to use on holy days,
so it sounds like the fact they were Jewish was common knowledge and nobody
thought twice about them.
 According to the "Chronology of WW2", Holland was invaded on Friday, May 10
1940, and the Army formerly capitulated on Wed, May 15. Between then and
whenever after the June '44 landings they were freed, there was a minimum of
four years where the Nazis were free to wreak nastiness upon the occupants.
Parts of Holland were still occupied right to the end of the war, presumably
overlooked in the drive to Berlin. No, I don't know the specifics of her
town.
 She recalls the Nazi put in charge quite well, saying he was very tough in
his rule, but again I don't know details.
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