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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: E docking with DS9 (was RE: O'Brien's transportation)
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:12:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.144127.1@pearl.tufts.edu> rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu  
writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.234121.583@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
writes:
> > the Enterprise was never docked with the station, probably due to the
> > E's size, i.e. I don't think the Cardassians designed the station with
> > Galaxy-class Federation starships in mind.  Smaller vessels don't seem
> > to have any trouble though.
> > 
> > Steven.K.Manfred
> 
> Well, they never STATED that the Enterprise docked (or didn't dock), but  
they
> did SHOW the Enterprise docked with the station.  Either that or they've  
got
> some idiot at the helm who thought it'd be cute to get so close to the  
station
> that they could reach out and touch it.
> 
> 					--Rod Smith
> 					  RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
Well, If you listen closely at the end sequence of the pilot, O'brien  
mentions somthing about the airlocks not working proporly. It was probably a  
mechanical error. More likely, the writers messed up.
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From: ederpc@rtsg.mot.com (Pamela C. Eder)
Subject: Star Trek - DS9, Chicago, WGN
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:53:26 GMT

I'll leave comments of this esisode to others only to say that it was
a bit confusing in parts.  But, i liked it anyway.



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From: mwaa+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew S. Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:19:40 GMT
	<1993Jan3.143206.28261@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 03-Jan-93 in Re: Transporting thru
user Charles E Rick T. IV@hub writes:
>>In article <2121.2b461aad@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>>>	It has been my impression that transporters cannor be
>>>utilized thru shieds.  
>>>The ship Geordi and Scottie are on 
>>>clearly has the shields up - but are transported off the 
>>>Gelico.  But I remember that shields were lowered to
>>>transport the admiral-spy to a Romulan vessel
> 
>>It may have to do with the direction they're being transported.
> 
>Doubtful.  It sounds like a typical Trek contradiction.  If they'd shown the 
>G-whiz's :)  shields buckling and then fading out before transporting Scottie
>and Geordi, then maybe it'd be more acceptable.  (Never mind that the Big
>E's shields might still be up!)

I'm not as sure as Charles about this.  We all know that Starships (and
perhaps the "Genolan" (sp?)) project shields in sections.  We've heard
Scotty, and also Worf, announce that one shield or another was buckling
while the other's held firm.  It seemed that the Genolan might have been
holding the Dyson Sphere doors open with its port and starboard (or
maybe fore and aft, I forget the orientation of the ship) shields while
leaving its other shields off.  This would make sense, since those
shields would need as much power as possible to prevent the ship from
being crushed.  Still, the physics might not work out.  I'm an
historian, afterall, and perhaps the shields would have more integrity
if they maintained a spherical (or perhaps an egg-shaped) protective
field around the ship.  Anybody who's tried to crush an egg by pressing
on either point knows how strong a structure this can be.  Still I'm
betting on the "port/starboard" hypothesis. Check that.  I'm betting
some scriptwriter just forgot(-:  Ah, well, more fun for us'uns!

PS--If I've restated anybody's argument, apologies all around.  I
haven't followed this thread all the way back to the beginning.
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
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Subject: Re: Need info about Federation politics
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 03:32:03 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:

> Does anyone have any information, canon or otherwise, about the political
> structure of the Federation, its politicians, or anything along these
> lines?

From what we see in the movies, the political structure of the
Federation is very strange.  In particular, the line between military
and civilian authorities seems to be blurred.  In ST IV, we saw the
Federation President (a civilian) presiding over the court-martial of a
military officer.  Come to think of it, this also blurs the line between
the executive and judicial branches.

In ST VI, we see a meeting at which a decision is made concerning how
the Federation will respond to the Klingon ecological emergency, a
question of foreign policy.  Everyone at the meeting is a uniformed
Starfleet officer.  No civilians are present, not even the President.

As a result of this meeting, Captain Kirk is sent to meet the Klingon
head of state and conduct him to Earth.  This is a diplomatic function,
yet a military officer is sent instead of a diplomat.

One begins to wonder if the Federation is a military junta, ruled
outright by the officers of Starfleet.  In fact, except for the
President (who may be a mere figurehead), we have never seen any
civilian in any position of authority.

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:31:58 GMT
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In <1993Jan4.183322.5314@news.acns.nwu.edu> meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky) writes:

>> Agreed.  It would be interesting to see the writers incorporate this
>> into the show, with Riker getting passed over for command because he
>> waited too long, getting increasingly anxious, etc.

>Hey, Riker's is only in his mid to late thirties. From what we've seen so  
>far, this is still young for a captain. Riker can should still be able to  
>advance in rank (though he may not gain command of a starship).

A promotion and a desk job.  That would be humiliating.

I like it. :-)

Especially if Captain Shelby were there to say, "I told you so."

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From: bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Brett Bobley)
Subject: Re: Rank Structure (was Re: Uniform Colors...)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:59:47 GMT

hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.170136@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.215900.21511@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray) writes:

>[deleted to save space]

>> There are 2 Rear Admiral ranks instead - Lower Half and Upper Half.
>> What that Lower/Upper stuff means, I dunno.
>>
>> Travis

>I recall reading in one of the Hornblower books that in large naval
>battles they had to have separate commanders of the Front and Rear
>halves of the "line of battle" in order to ensure adequate
>communications and co-ordination.  I think this is where the
>designation comes from.

Previously, there were four ranks of Admiral:

One Star --  Commodore
Two Stars -- Rear Admiral
Three Stars - Vice Admiral
Four Stars - Admiral

At some point, they phased out the term "Commodore" and instead 
a One Star is a "Rear Admiral Lower Half" and a Two Star is a
"Rear Admiral Upper Half".

Brett
bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu


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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Computer voices
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:49:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.150139.29702@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tpenning@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas R Pennington) writes:
>
>Why wouldn't they have the same computer voice?  If I do recall Star Fleet
>is a military organization, and as with other military organizations, they
>would have a love for everything the same. Hence, uniforms from starship
>to starship (not necessaryly base), weapons being the same shape, ship's
>computer voices being the same, and the ship's nomencature in the same spot.
>
>

    I've always been intrigued by the use of female voices for ships com-
    puters in science fiction shows and movies.  Remember the voice of
    "mother", the computer of the Nostromo in _Alien_.

    On a recent episode of Nova, the one concerning modern fighter air-
    craft, the assertion was made that female voices for computers com-
    mand attention more effectively than male voices.  Do you suppose
    that this accounts for voice of HAL-9000 being very high-pitched 
    and fairly soft, even though it was a male's voice?  Perhaps I've
    just become used to the trend in science fiction, but I also find
    that female voices for computers seem somehow more effective than
    male voices.

    Interesting.
    

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
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Subject: Re: The worms within...
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:45:51 GMT

Spoilers, U15289@uicvm.uic.edu forgot to mention that in his original post ...









































In article <93004.115417U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>, U15289@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
|> In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting in a
|> humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the same species
|> that figured in an episode of TNG, in which Dr. Crusher was romantically in-
|> volved with a man who was also a host for a wormlike creature (an ambassador
|> of some sort), who had to be parked in Riker's body temporarily until the
|> new host (a woman, who ended the episode by saying she loved Beverly) arrived?
|> 
|>                                               Mitch Pravatiner
|>                                               U15289@uicvm.uic.edu

It is my guess that they are the same species.

As a side note, we finally have a regular character (in Lt. Dax)
who is very easy on the eyes.  Some like Crusher and Troi but
they do not compare to this parasite. 
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From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:43:17 GMT

Actually, I find this who argument semantically ridiculous--"black" in
this case refers to an Earth colorization, so one could assume that those
referred to as "black" here on Earth would not exist on other planets.
(let's ignore the Preservers theory for a minute, 'cuz it's inconvenient
for my argument).  But, not given any evidence to the contrary, one
could assume that all the alien races shown in ST have the same ethnic
diversity as exists on Earth, but it _may_ not be as glaringly obvious to
the Earthly eye as skin tone is here.

From a different viewpoint, however, after "Code Of Honor" I'm not sure
I would trust ST with a "black" species...

Thor Iverson
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
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Subject: Re: Ceslla 3 Massacre in DP9 ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:45:46 GMT
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In <C0FxK2.4x1@wilber.rich.nt.com> zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:

>I thought the Ceslla 3 massacre was shown in the 1966 ST espisode titled
>"Arena" when Kirk met the Gorn for the 1st time.

I believe that was Cestis (spelled phonetically) III.
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From: su@eedsp.gatech.edu (Jonathan Su)
Subject: DS9: Bajoran leader & Monty Python
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:24:47 GMT

Every time I saw the Barjoran spiritual/religious leader, I was immediately
reminded of Brian's mother in Monty Python's "Life of Brian."  As a result, I
couldn't sit through any of her scenes without cracking up.  Anyone else see
such a similarity?

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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
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Subject: DS9: Great Show...A Few Questions!
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:00:06 EST
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Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Greetings,
I just wanted to say I LOVE DS9.  It has great actors and an interesting
setting.  So we get more Star Trek every week!  I love it!

I do have a few questions...

These might be minor spoilers...so please stop reading if you have not seen DS9
episodes yet.

1.  On the first two hour DS9, is Quark's kid the same actor that plays
Alexander?  It sure looks like the same kid, but with all the makeup, it's hard
to tell for sure.  Also, I didn't see his name in the credits.  Is this kid
still in jail?

2.  Do the Cardassians still have the other 9 orbs?  Is this going to be an
ongoing problem between the two cultures?  What about the temple?  Did they
find a temple?  I don't remember them mentioning it, so is this another
long-term situation?

3.  What is the creature that lives in the worm hole?  Is it one of the orbs? 
So the orbs are creatures?  They sort of remind me of the Organians.  Did
anyone else think about the similarities?  Two warring cultures coming into
contact with a super being.  I loved the part with the interaction of the man
explaining how he has a linear life, and then the orb showing his faulty logic. 
It was really interesting watching all the people in his life talking to him,
which was really the orb creature.  I thought it was terrific.
I guess he found his 'pah', you could say, whatever that means.

Anyway, I also loved this week's show.  I am looking forward to seeing more.
I like all of the characters.  It's hilarious to put Quark in as a community
representative.  Too funny!  And it's nice to have good women characters in
leadership positions, as opposed to the traditional caretaker/yeoman roles, so
prevalent in the past.

Regards,
Pamela Cho
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
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Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:52:47 GMT
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In article <1ihmedINNkvp@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:

>	Besides, if it was selfish, it's a character flaw....which makes
>her an IMPERFECT character. Thought we wanted that....

I don't mind greedy, like Quark.
I don't mind immature, like then new doctor.
I don't mind selfish, even, if it's not going to put the entire space station
   at risk.

But this?  Keep that up, Kira dear, and the show won't last to the end of
January.  She'll get them all killed.

Even Kirk had a back door.  What would have happened if the wormhole hadn't
opened up at that moment?  The station and everyone in it would have been
destroyed.  And for what?  Nothing except the need for revenge of one woman.

True, they were saved, but through no action of hers.

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From: ac999239@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999239)
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Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 13:33:12 -0500
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
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Gee? Maybe to us ignorant Humans all aliens look alike that come from the same
race? Mordak's race looked all the same to Wesley...Who's to say a Human won't
mistake one Vulcan for another...

Then again...Maybe they just wanted to use that actor again?
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
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Subject: Re: Question:  Where is Keiko?
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:30:02 GMT
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In article <1993Jan5.162212.14216@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know what happened to Keiko?
> 
> I am fairly sure that I have seen all the TNG episodes this year,
> but I cannot recollect any reason for O'Brien to be leaving the
> Enterprise without Keiko.  Did they split up or something?
> 
> I missed the very beginning of DS9 last night, so I am hoping that
> it was covered there.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

O'Brien mentioned that Keiko was unhappy with the state of their quarters
when he escorted Sisco to his.  I assume she's there too...

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From: Michael Scott Shappe <mss1@cornell.edu>
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Subject: DS9:Emissary inconsitencies
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:28:41 GMT
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In article <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu> Matthew Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
writes:
>Question:  How were the Cardassians tricked into thinking that DS9 had
>4000 torpedoes?  The "Thorium rays" just cloaked the base instead of
>providing false ghosts.

The Cardassian commander (Gul Dulak?) provides the answer by way of
guesswork. 'Duranium shadows'. O'Brien fiddled something or other to make
the station's superstructure appear, to a scanner, to have said
weapons...remember O'Brien said something like "Once they get through
those Thorium rays, they're in for a shock"...

>Question:  O'Brien indicates that DS9 has no shields.  Later, we
>hear that shields are failing.  What gives?  Did O'Brien rig something
>up in five minutes?

O'Brien was...exaggerating. Remember that they used the deflector grid
for their little
subspace-field-changing-the-gravitational-constant-of-the-universe trick
to move the station. So they've got one...but it's not in good shape...

/mss1
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From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: DS9's new doctor and Checov
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
	<1993Jan6.203113.19050@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<C0HKEH.31D@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1993Jan9.012738.19133@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:45:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.012738.19133@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
   In article <C0HKEH.31D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>>AHEM.....
>>	Dr. Bashir may be of arabic descent, but this DOES NOT MAKE HIM
>>AN ARAB NATIONAL OR EVEN MUSLIM  His first name is Julian for Allah's sake
>>and he has a british accent so maybe just maybe he might be British????
>
>I'd kind of like to think he was, though, since we have never seen an
>Arab character before in Star Trek.

According to Starlog's article on DS9, Siddig El Fadil is of mixed
British/Sudanese ancestry.  As for what this means for his character,
Dr. Julian Bashir...who knows?

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: DS9's new doctor and Checov
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:55:41 GMT
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In <MRAHMAN.93Jan11104416@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> mrahman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Mushfiqur Rahman) writes:

>It's about time we see some South Asians (Bangladeshi, Indian, Pakistani
>and Sri Lankan largely) characters as 1 in every 5 person in the world
>happens to be a South Asian.

But that world is only one out of >100 planets making up the Federation.
We should see *fewer* Asians (and Americans and Europeans and Africans...).


 
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:20:17 GMT

>In article <C0Jqzx.161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu  
>(Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>> 
>> The final one, huh?  That can call it
>> *** Star Trek VII: The Final Chapter -- Part III ***
>> since part V and VI were also said to be the final movies.
>
My vote goes to........ STAR TREK VII: THE SENIOR TOUR

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