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Just in case you didn't see my posting on CMC, here it is again:


****CALL FOR PAPERS ON COMPUTER-MEDIATED COMMUNICATION****

      International Pragmatics Association Conference

                   July 25-30, 1993
                     Kobe, Japan

I am interested in organizing a panel on computer-mediated
communication, with the preliminary title, "Linguistic and
Cultural Aspects of Computer-Mediated Communication."
Papers may deal with private electronic mail, discussion
lists (moderated or unmoderated), or interactive modes like
IRC (Internet Relay Chat) and MuDs (Multi-User Domains).
Ideally, the panel will discuss not only linguistic aspects
of these forms of communication but their implications for
identity, culture and community, or for orality, literacy,
and the history of writing. If it not possible to put together
3-4 papers on CMC alone, the panel might also discuss communi-
cation in other new technologies, such as fax or answering
machines.

Although it is rather late to organize such a panel (the dead-
line is Nov. 1), I have the encouragement of one of the program
committee members, Bruce Fraser, to do so. The very technologies
which we will talk about will make this possible!

Please send abstracts and preliminary suggestions ASAP to *both*

Prof. Brenda Danet             BITNET: kcubd@hujivm1
Dept. of Communication         INTERNET: kcubd@vm1.huji.ac.il
Hebrew University of Jerusalem FAX: 972-2-827069
Mt. Scopus
Jerusalem, Israel 91905

*and*

Prof. Bruce Fraser            BITNET: sed91ln at buacca
School of Education           FAX: 617-353-3924
Boston University

 N.B. I will be in Boston between October 4 and 10, so if at all
 possible please send abstracts and queries to Bruce and me
 during that week, c/o his Bitnet address above, or by fax.
From: peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU ((Irv Peckham))
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Fred writes about the electronic media busting into the old
subject-centered conventions that the Dartmouth people tried
to explode in the 60's (the british and a few americans at
least).  It is in this, vein, Fred, that I'm approaching
this new (for me) way of teaching writing.  I just have
this vague fear that if we assume the media has released
us without understanding the fundamental nature of the
prison that we might be strolling from one cell into
another.  Perhaps not the people who I hear in this discussion
group, for they have clearly kept their minds open and recognized
that writing is more than academic discourse (or worse),
that it is a way of coming to know, to be, and to be
with.  But there will be those who resisted, and when this
way of teaching writing becomes conventionalized, we might
return to origins.
--
Irvin Peckham
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From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How About a Hug?

A hug you've got, Bob.  And DO bring the tape to Ann Arbor.  Most likely not
everyone has been lucky enough to hear the Edwards' invention and tonality.
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From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: class size

Lisa, re class size, I'll have to do a bit of leg work for the figures at
Kapiolani Community College.  I'll see if I can't find the latest for the UH
system.  Thank you for posing this fascinating question.

Jim Shimabukuro
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From: YKFAC@TTACS.BITNET (Amanda Corcoran)
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Date: 16 Oct 92 16:15:00 GMT
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Hello Megabunnies!
I've been lurking this semester thus far because of school
demands. However, after reading the recent discussion on MBU
about the communities created between computer classroom
instructors, I couldn't help but include the following comments
from the special issue of TIME -- Beyond the year 2000 (Fall
1992, Vol 140 #27 p60):

"If computers take over so much of the job, what role will be
left for the teacher? A different yet essential one, say the
experts.  Rather than just presenting information and issuing
instructions, like a coach directing a football team, the teacher
will inspire, motivate and serve as referee for the
human-to-human discussion that computerized instrution is
designed to procoke. A teacher will thus act more like the floor
captain of a basketball team, directing the flow of action but
allowing other team members to take the lead when the situation
warrants it. "Teachers will become much more like facilitators,
guides," says Hugh Osborn, director of the New Media Group at
public TV station WNET in New York City.  "They won't be able
just to have their answer book and have that be the main thing
that differentiates them from the students."

I don't recall ever reading that recognition in a text that is
not specifically computer and composition related. I was pretty
pleased and feel that if people outside the classroom and outside
the composition field can recognize the importance and the
validity of our teaching methodology and pedagogy, then our (or
at least my) belief that this IS the most effective way to teach
will become more and more accepted, and we can concentrate on
developing instead of defending (is that too strong a word?) our
classrooms.

I wanted to "share" the article with you all. It seems an
important and interesting development in the recognition of hte
field--that a non-comp publication recognizes our validity.

Amanda Inskip Corcoran--TEXAS TECH
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From:         ROSE NORMAN <UAHRXN01@UAHVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Pat Schroeder and Higher Education

I'm behind on my MBU mail, so this may have come up already, but here's my
2 cents worth on what I heard of Rep. Patricia Schroeder's (D. COlorado)
C-Span televised speech (last week?) about problems in higher education.  It
was along the lines of what Jim McDonald reports of Louisiana politicians,
and reeks of cultural elitism--and misinformation.  What set me off was her
handling of a statistic about "average" college professors' salaries being
$60K.  I wrote her a two page letter telling her what I make, what my friends
make, what peope I know in New York and elswewhere make, and how it wasn't
nearly $60k, nor do we have little or no teaching and advising responsibilities.
This week I got an answer, and it made me so mad I got up in the middle of the
night and wrote back.  (I don't ordinarily write my own members of Congress,
let alone other states', so you can tell her letter had a rhetorical effect
that was quite powerful if, presumably, unintended.)  Her reply indicated
that she appreciated my writing her but that her responsiblity as chair of
the Select Committee onf Families, Chidlren, and something made it improtant
for her to inform the public of the problem sin higher educaiton that affect
the quality of that education.  She appreciated that some people would disagree
with her.

I wrote back that I am happy to see her studying the problems in higher educatio
n but that she's got them wrong.  I explained the difference between "average"
and "median" salary.  I mentioned that superstars, Nobel laureates, and probably
even (shudder) college administrators' salaries were included in that statistic
she is deploring (the 60K, which I suspect is well below the salary of Members
of the U.S. Congress).

ANYWAY.  If any of you out there heard this speech, or read it, or heard it
reported, especially if you are actually living in Colorado--WRITE SCHROEDER.
Don't let her get away with a form letter of the kind I would expect from the
likes of Jesse Helms!

Rose
(enraged, e
still
never underestimate the power of rhetoric)
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From:         mer <MROSE01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Jazz as folk music,
              (*COMP.COMP*) (22)

On Jazz/Klezmer:

      1)  charlie parker did a number of gigs in klezmer bands in NYC,
          and jewish wedding/bar mitzvah gigs as well.
          The person who got him the gigs was Serge Chaloff, son of
          Madame Chaloff, classical piano teacher at new england conservatory
          who taught Chick Corea and Keith Jarrett among many others.
          Serge was probably the greates baritone sax player in history
          who died a tragically early accidental death.

      2)  There are strong links to instrumentation and improv styles
          between african-american and east-european jewish musicians,
          but don't push that *too* far:

      3)  blues chords with altered notes such as b9#9b5b13 turn out
          to imply scales derived from various degrees of harmonic,
          melodic and hungarian minor scales.  Since jazz musicians
          have always been sophisticated practicioners of musical theory,
          they would have recognized the ethnic origins of these chord-
          scale relationships, but the scales themselves occur spontaneously
          simply by introducing these blues notes to already existing,
          more conventional scales.

      4)  Parker read Bartok string quartets and Stravinisky scores for
          inspiration.

      5)  Jazz was, is, and always will be centrally a product of African
          American culture--even as third-world influences have become stronger
          and more pervasive.  Respect the music? Respect the culture that
          produced it!
                              Enough? or too much?

                                       mer
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From:         "(Irv Peckham)" <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Community of Teachers?

I recognize that many of you have discovered a sense of community
among your students via networking.  I'm wondering why we need
computers to create that sense of community?  Something seems weird
here.
--
Irvin Peckham
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From:         Bill Condon <USERLCBK@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Apology

I'm sorry!  I posted a message about assessment to the wrong list, and
when I went to modify it and send it to the right list, it went to MBU again
too.  ARrrrrrrgghhhhh!  Dratted technology!  Why can't it do what I WANT,
instead of only what I say?
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From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Mastering Perfect Writer (16)

Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:40:36 EDT
From:         IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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Irv Peckham writes
>From: "(Irv Peckham)" <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
>Message-id: <01GPY5JJUCO09BVI5U@ulkyvx.bitnet>
>Subject: RE: Textra (*MBU*)

[...]
>I managed to master Perfect
>Writer back in the binary stone age.

Irv is obviously a fellow Kaypro purchaser(?).  PW had some very good
feeatures--features which I've systematically added and enhanced in my own
uEmail program.  A few were the ability

   - to mark and save regions of text to named files,
   - to gather text into the kill buffer without
     losing what was already there,
   - to handle a number of case conversions (u/l word
     or region and capitalize words),
   - to transpose adjacent words or letters,
   - to auto mark sentences and paragraphs, and
   - to cut predefined text blocks (words, lines,
     sentences, and paragraphs) without marking.

The original MINCE/Scribble package (on which PW and Perfect Formatter were
based) had even more to offer such as larger-scale transpositions,
user-defined format styles, extended formatting macros, and a sophisticated
UNDO. People are still impressed by the output from my own Scribble/Scribe
clone.  And I can consistently produce text with finer control and fewer
hassles using uEmail/PROFFessor than I can with WP or Word.  I cringe when I
see what my colleagues and students must go through to perform simple
functions (such as formatting an enumerated list) in the two giants.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Do not search for the truth. Simply cease to cherish opinion"
                                           - Sengstan, Third Zen Patriarch

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:16:53 CDT
From:         Eric Crump <C509379@MIZZOU1.BITNET>

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:52:54 EDT Cindy Selfe said:
>Bendtsen, a senior who will be graduating from MBU with a degree in
                                                ^^^
A typo? If so, it's an interesting one. No degrees from MBU, and
no need to graduate, but a fine, if eclectic, education to be
had, nonetheless.

--Eric Crump
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From:         Lisa Gerrard <IDR2LXG@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      thanks

Megabunnies and WPA-ers,

Thank you for all those responses (and prompt ones, too) to my question
about class size. And David, thank *you* for forwarding my message to
WPA. I'll post the results as soon as we've compiled them. Meanwhile,
your support and kind words felt great!

Lisa Gerrard
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From:         "Rhoda Carroll, Vermont College,
              Montpelier" <RHODA%MUNIN%HUGIN@NORWICH.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: reply to community of teachers

Nick, your analogy (moms and profs) struck me as funny and right and
true. My evidence (anecdotal, sorry!) is similar. I'm in our one lab a
lot, and have met students there and online who have never actually been
enrolled in one of my classes.  Our behavior to each other seems
consistently open and helpful; we always wind up talking informally about
the vax or about writing, and they've taught me plenty about computers.
In our community of teachers, let's not forget to include our students!

And the "mom" business really hit home!  Our vax allows for the setting
of "process names," and for a while mine was "e-mom" b/c a couple of
my students said they though of me sometimes as their electronic mom!
This was both wonderful and terrible, as you may imagine.

Rhoda Carroll
Rhoda@Norwich.Bitnet
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Ann,

It's O. K. to quote anything I have written on MBU.

Did you attend the League of Innovation conference in San Diego?  Three other
faculty and I presented a demonstration on our computer-based English
composition program.

The League conference is a good one.  Congratulations on presenting.
From: JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET (James Shimabukuro)
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Date: 8 Oct 92 14:57:25 GMT
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Rose, what's Schroeder's e-mail address?      ;-)

Jim S.
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Liz--Yes, please, send e-mail addresses.  Also for Kate Keifer if anyone
knows (is she on this list?)  Thanks.
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From:         "(McDonald James C)" <jcm5337@USL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Outputs

I really appreciate this, David.  My snail address is
  Jim McDonald
  Department of English
  P. O. Drawer 44691
  University of Southwestern Louisiana
  Lafayette, LA 70504-4691
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Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) Using a VAX with a Mac front end (20)

Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:58:56 EDT
From:         IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.com" Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
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I loaned my Mac catalogues to a Mac user, but the answer to the question of
whether a Mac can be used to speak "intelligently" to Vax/VMS is yes, but
just as with the MS-DOS machines you need a VT100 (or better) emulator.
White Knight and Red Rider (has a new name which I don't recall) are two
inexpensive VT series emulators for the MAC.  There are others below $100.00
from Mac Wharehouse.  But with the number of Mac Users on this list, Liz
(Hamp-Lyons) should be able to get a recommendation. Key definitions should
come (out of the box) set up for a standard VTX00 series because the mac
enhanced keyboard is closer to a VTX00-style keyboard than is the standard PC
keyboard. Within EDT, you can get help showing keyboard defines.

The file examples and the DCL/VMS commands would remain the same regardless of
the micro being used (except an older machine might need a smaller page-size
defined). Since I've turned my local colleagues on to EDT full screen editing
with keys, they've found their Vax lives much easier.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Do not search for the truth. Simply cease to cherish opinion"
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From:         Russ Hunt <HUNT@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Textra

Doyle Burke asks --

> I'm curious about the difficulty uploading using Textra.  We
> have done so successfully onto the VAX by having students save
> their files in hard ASCII prior to uploading.  They also download
> files successfully and edit them with Textra.
     Sorry, those weren't the kinds of problems I meant.  We
had two; one had to do with assigning filenames under a Novell-
based program called ICLAS, which IBM is flogging, and which
Textra had a hard time dealing with. When a student saved a file
to her own floppy, she had to assign it to drive B:; if she
named it A: it simply vanished.  We no longer use ICLAS and
that problem hasn't recurred, but what has is that if two
students work on the same file simultaneously Textra doesn't
warn them or keep them from saving it; the last one saved is
the one that's there.  Network-compatible word processors either
don't let you load the file in the first place or don't let
you save it.  (I'd prefer coping with both these bugs to
teaching computer-innocent English majors Word Perfect, by
the way.)

> If your students save files in hard ASCII, what sort of problem
> occurs?
     None except the hard carriage returns and the fact that
formatting (e.g.  underlining or italics) is lost.  But I may not
have made it clear that we're not using an upload-to-mainframe
network, but a LAN running Novell, and people are working off a
server-based word processor, saving files either in a common
directory or in their own directory on the server (or on their
own floppy).  Uploading and conversion isn't the problem; my
difficulty is that the files the class produces are ultimately
desk-top-published as a book, and Textra is limited when it
comes to that, and difficult to convert to a wordprocessor or
publishing program with fewer limitations.

                                    -- Russ
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:34:12 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      How About a Hug?

Joel says,
============================================================

Rhoda -- I'M not going to kiss Bob Boston for you!

============================================================

Well, how about a manly embrace of camaraderie, Joel?  We're the only
surviving members of the Jonathan & Darlene Edwards Fan Club.  You know, they
missed their ideal album title:  "Singers in the Bands of a Tone-Deaf God."

Just to prove to everyone that we're not as bad as they think we are, I'll
bring a J&D tape to Ann Arbor for Hugh's Open House. I'm sure mer's educated
ear would appreciate the polyrhythmic polytonality of Jonathan and Darlene.

Bobby B., The Bumbling Bass
Iowa State University
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