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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:17:31 GMT

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.005544.17334@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:

>Now *thats* ironic!  An old Illini guy talking about NCAA infractions and
>another big-10 team.  Good thing you tried to deflect it toward baseball.
>Now have *any* big-10 bball teams been caught for cheating more than UI?  

well the whole point is folks *think* the um athl dept is so *clean* that
no one could understand um players getting "bonuses".  obviously
an opinion that's misguided based on the activities of the baseball team.
hm, and wasnt bo the AD then....yeah I thought so.

and if you compare the infractions of illini hoops
(remember - not ONE serious charge was proved true)
against the um baseball team you'll find they're fairly close.
whats the saying:  "those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones"?
cept no one up there probably has a clue um has a baseball team
since you'd all rather attend spring football scrimmages and
practice sessions for fun.

>Oh, and I gotta tell you, that fichigan thing cracks me up every time.  I
>can't wait for the turn of the century when you come up with the next
>haymaker. 

well i could just call you wolverines a bunch of inept dolts without
half a brain like you truly are, but "fichigan" conveys the same meaning
with less words.

>	Bill Mangione-Smith

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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:20:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.144329.14951@jade.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
>
>	Clemson (excuse me, Clempsun) has to be considered a serious candidate
>for this honor as well.

This isn't a fair attack.

After all, a cream puff can hardly be censured for having for a
cream puff schedule...

- Trent Lange

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


In the ACC, the clear choice is Clemson.  In the last two years, Clemson has
had such stalwarts as Samford, Liberty, Tennessee State and FAU.  Yet Cliff
"Soon to be gone" Ellis kept talking them up as an tourney team.
  BTW, this is almost assuredly Ellis' last season as coach, after their 
recent problems.  It's doubtful that he'll be gone before this season, though.
One name that has popped up as a replacement is UNC-Charlotte's Jeff Mullins.

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines."--M.Jagger
From: et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: G'town Schedule
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:19:22 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	Anybody got it??? I really want one...


				erich
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:18:59 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <Bu2Cp1.F6z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	U would have to wonder how NC State would have fared back then if
>	the 3-pt shot was still in effect.  With people like Gannon, Lowe,
>	and Wittenberg -- they would have scored plenty of points.

	Actually, that (1982-83) was the year that the ACC had the `ridiculous'
3-point distance of 17'7" (I think) measured from the backboard, as well as a
30-second shot clock.  It is my belief that these rules (in ACC play) led State
to develop its outside-in offensive style, where Gannon and Whittenburg would
bomb from outside, opening up the inside for Bailey and Charles.  I think 
State won their last conference game that year by some absurd margin (like 50
pts.).

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:12:09 GMT

smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) writes:

>You go on ahead and get in the last word, Doc.  I know you can't
>resist.  I'm done with this stuff.

I'll take the bait what the hell....

>As I said earlier, I am not dumping on Illinois or its students,

as I've said earlier - I am/will forever be dumping on fichigan,
its students (past and present), coaches, teams, ann arbor etc...
because you *do* deserve it.

>who seem quite civilized.  I'm only dumping on the dwarf here.

hm, maybe if I was a dwarf I could play a cool part in a
david lynch film!  FWWM 2 starring J. Exby as the new
"little man from another place"
:-)


 "I want all my garmonbozia"   -LMFAP
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From: ortcm@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (thomas.mcguigan)
Subject: Re: Want : KU Jayhawks Schedule!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:46:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.173319.19925@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke) writes:
>>Where is Rollins College, by the way?)
>
>According to "webster" -- Winter Park, Fla.

To amplify - Winter Park is right outside Orlando.

Tom
From: jg4o+@andrew.cmu.edu (James T Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Want : KU Jayhawks Schedule!
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:47:44 GMT
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.basketball.college: 29-Aug-92 Re: Want :
KU Jayhawks Sche.. by Michael O'Rourke@Csli.St 
> Dec. 30 UNC, Michigan, Nebraska, or SW Louisiana (h)

> (h) Rainbow Classic in Honolulu
>  
> Here's a team that is picked by some to win it all and they are only
> on television 5 times? And on a network other than ESPN only once?  I
> wonder how many times Depaul and Notre Dame will be on the other
> networks.  (Granted, the non-con schedule is populated with schools
> like Rollins College, North Carolina State, and Mississippi Valley
> State, but the conference should once again be tough.  Where is
> Rollins College, by the way?)

Is there going to be no TV coverage of the Rainbow Classic? How fixed
are the network schedules ahead of time?  It's hard to imagine that KU
could end up playing Michigan or North Carolina without the game playing
on national TV.

(For that matter, I'm surprised Roy would enter a tournament where he
could end up playing Dean Smith.  Sure, the NCAA is unavoidable, but
otherwise...)

Jim

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From: anderson@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson peter john)
Subject: Delray Brooks, O'Bannon Overhyped Prospects
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:45:14 GMT
Keywords: brooks o'bannon hype

As to incredibly over-hyped hoops prospects, how about:

1. Antoine Joubert
2. Marcus Liberty
3. J.R. Reid

Assuming, of course, that somebody other than Vitale was hyping
Joubert to death....


--Pete (anderson@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

"Southwestern Louisiana's just got an outstanding bunch of ath-a-letes."

 --Lou Henson
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:41:53 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <67470@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>I think you might be right about this, but I am wondering about
>Pete Maravich.  He was certainly a superstar in his day, but did
>LSU ever get past the second round of the NCAAs with him?  I
>think not, but I'm not positive about this.

If I am not mistaken, LSU never went to the NCAA's when they had Pistol Pete.
The field was much smaller then, however, and they probably only let the
SEC champ go (probably Kentucky at around that time, though that is only a 
guess).  I do think that LSU might have gone to the NIT one of the years
he was there, but they didn't win.  (wish I had a list of NCAA tourney 
participants online!)
  Can you imagine what his scoring record would be like if they three-pointer
was in effect back then?

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines."--M.Jagger
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From: mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley)
Subject: Re: UNLV Basketball Schedule
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:19:33 EDT

In article <1992Aug29.013724.6870@nevada.edu> sally@nevada.edu (SALLY PHARES) writes:
>I talked to Coach Rollie last week--says he got 3 good recruits for
>this year--didn't say who and gave me the Rebels' schedule:
>
>       [ Lots of cream puffs deleted]

     My oh my, UNLV has got a kick butt schedule this year.  When
a Syracuse fan calls your schedule weak, you can bet he knows what
he's talking about.  The sick thing is that UNLV will probably still
get invited to the tournament.  How long will I have to wait for a
UNLV team with balls?

-matt
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:55:16 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <14856@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.141933.5779@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>>In article <14807@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>>>Not to start a flame war or anything, but why would anyone
>>>pass up playing in the ACC to play for Dale Brown?
>>
>> On the other hand, why would anyone pass up playing for Dale Brown to play
>>in the ACC? 
>>
>
>	I dunno - maybe because he'd like to play on a national
>	championship team?
>
>	Am I correct that Dale Brown has made the Final Four
>	a total of once?  Who was on that team?
>
>	--rb

No you are not.  '81 and '86.  No All-Americans on either of the teams.
Except Rudy Macklin. (and maybe Ethan Martin?)

From memory:
1981:  Ethan M., Rudy M., Jordy Hultberg, Howard "High C" Carter, can't
think of the rest off hand.

1986:  Don Redden, Nikita Wilson, Ricky Blanton, ?Jose Vargas?, Derrick
Carter, Anthony Wilson, ????, ????.


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From: jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Mraz )
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:03:31 GMT

The only ones I could remeber that were not named were
Michigan 1989- Mike Griffin, F  North Carolina State 1983-Terry Gannon, G
Villanova 1985- Harold Jensen ? F

Doug Mraz

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 16:28:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Big Ten Champs

>        Didn't Anderson Hunt also go to Southwestern High in Detroit?  If so,
>        he would have been a senior when Rose and Lenard were freshmen.
>
Yes, Anderson Hunt also went to Detroit SouthWestern and he did go there when
Rose and Lenard went there. They never played on the same team together since
they were three years apart.

>
>        Actually, Webber's playing for Country Day really wasn't all that
>        much his choice.  Webber comes from a family that values education
>        a whole lot, so he went to CD for the education.  The hoops were
>        secondary.  Webber is an excellent student.  He qualified no problem
>        (in fact, I heard his SATs were over 1200) -- and he once said his
>        aspirations were to become a writer.  A student/athlete indeed.
>
>        Jazzy J
>-- 
>
Webber did go to Country Day, but he has stated that he wished he could have
gone to SouthWestern and played against better basketball talent. Some of
the local sportswriters criticized him for playing at Country Day; however,
he went on a did well (in school and basketball) at the private school.
I have heard he scored over 1200 on his SAT too. I think he made the right
choice going to Country Day....
His parents have also said that they want him to stay at Michigan for four
years, but I don't think they can say no with all the money rookies in the`
NBA are getting these days.                              

						Marty
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Jamal Faulkner
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:37:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug28.185545.1217@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>> The papers in Lexington reported that since Faulkner did not follow
>> what the court required, following his conviction for fraud in the
>> long distance call case, he must serve 30 days in jail and will
>> miss the first semester.  
>
>     Not necessarily.  There's a chance he might get
>out in a week to ten days on good behavior.  If his
>professors can get him his assignments for that
>long and he can keep up, he might yet salvage the
>semester and hence, his eligibility for the upcoming
>season.

I hope this doesn't happen.  Independent of what you think about him being
in jail in the first place, neither the ASU athletic department nor the
ASU professors should coddle to an athlete in jail.

>
>     Sending him to jail is a travesty in the first
>place.  I could understand their having done it
>when he first violated probation, but between the
>violation complaint and the hearing Jamal fulfilled
>all his requirements and even did 50 hours of extra
>work.  To put him in jail now makes no sense at all.
>
Perhaps.  Sounds like he is getting a bit of a raw deal.  Still, he knew
what he was doing with the credit cards was wrong.  He furthermore knew
(or is incredibly stupid) what the punishment was to be if  didn't fulfill
the terms of his probation.  Irregardless of basketball, I hope this is
enough to get him to pull his head out of his posterior and think about
what he's doing...

>     Evidently the judge is expressing his feelings
>about "overpampered athletes."  According to his
>lawyer, "if Jamal weren't an athlete at Arizona
>State we wouldn't be having this conversation now."
>
>--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
>                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
>                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
>                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu

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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Kuppenheimer Classics
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:33:01 GMT

In article 67291@hydra.gatech.EDU, jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>|In article <19386@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>|>
>|>What's the big idea, actually getting real teams to play in a
>|>preseason classic?  Don't you southern folks know that you're supposed
>|
>|This isn't really a preseason classic.  An early season one, mebbe...
>|
>|>to invite three patsies?  Just look at the Hoosier, Boilermaker, ...
>|>"Classics."
>|>
>|>You keep this up, and you're going to give hoops a bad name.
>|>sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
>|
>|Well, I suppose I could say something about Real Men scheduling (and
>|beating) Real Teams, but I guess I won't.   :-)
>|
>|I guess Tech, UK, Georgia, Kansas, UofL, and UCLA all have something to
>|learn from the Hoosier State when it comes to Creampuff Scheduling (isn't
>|that a required class at Purdue and IU?).   :-)
>|
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How about U of Michigan's early schedules, I seem to remember that they play all the Michigan schools except for the Spartans early on.  Like Eastern, Western, Northeastern Mich, ad infinitum to pad their records.
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Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 05:52:50 -0400 
From: Erich William Trowbridge <et00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: G'Town schedule 


	Anyone know the Hoyas' schedule for this season??? If it could be
mailed to me, I would deeply appreciate it.


					erich
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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Organization: ^$
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:01:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.145516.4128@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>In article <14856@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.141933.5779@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>>>In article <14807@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>>>>Not to start a flame war or anything, but why would anyone
>>>>pass up playing in the ACC to play for Dale Brown?
>>>
>>> On the other hand, why would anyone pass up playing for Dale Brown to play
>>>in the ACC? 
>>>
>>
>>	I dunno - maybe because he'd like to play on a national
>>	championship team?

       I dunno- maybe he will.

>>	Am I correct that Dale Brown has made the Final Four
>>	a total of once?  Who was on that team?
>>
>>	--rb
>
>No you are not.  '81 and '86.  No All-Americans on either of the teams.
>Except Rudy Macklin. (and maybe Ethan Martin?)
>
>From memory:
>1981:  Ethan M., Rudy M., Jordy Hultberg, Howard "High C" Carter, can't
>think of the rest off hand.

 Greg Cook, ?Greene, Leonard Marshall. 

>
>1986:  Don Redden, Nikita Wilson, Ricky Blanton, ?Jose Vargas?, Derrick
>Carter, Anthony Wilson, ????, ????.

 Close enough.

>-- 
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>GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!      | "That haircut of yours might be city-style,
>GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
>James Clyde     LSU '91   |             -- Briscoe Darlin, T.A.G.S.


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From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Originator: currin@poult1.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:31:12 GMT


In article <1992Sep4.191859.3676@jade.tufts.edu>, gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
|>Path: taco!gatech!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!bu.edu!news.tufts.edu!gharris
|>From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
|>Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
|>Message-ID: <1992Sep4.191859.3676@jade.tufts.edu>

|>	Actually, that (1982-83) was the year that the ACC had the `ridiculous'
|>3-point distance of 17'7" (I think) measured from the backboard, as well as a
|>30-second shot clock.  It is my belief that these rules (in ACC play) led State
|>to develop its outside-in offensive style, where Gannon and Whittenburg would
|>bomb from outside, opening up the inside for Bailey and Charles.  I think 
|>State won their last conference game that year by some absurd margin (like 50
|>pts.).
|>
|>gharris@jade.tufts.edu          "She had ever chance for happiness, ever 
|>George W. Harris                chance in the world, and stomped ever one 
|>Dept. of Mathematics            of them chances down in the dirt like a 
|>Tufts University                bug."   _The Devil's Dream_
|>

Ah yes the Wake Forest game. I sat beside former player Kenny Matthews, he 
remarked at how tight both teams seemed at the start. I think the Pack put
up 131 points that game the highest in the NCCA that season. You're right
about that 3 pt. line George. Valvano quipped that his grandmother made 7
for ten from behind the line. I always thought it made the courts ugly because
the 3 pt arc was in front of the top of the key.

RC
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