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From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Ventura to PageMaker (Windows)
Organization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:50:08 GMT

I finally made the switch between Ventura (3.0) and PageMaker and I must
say the difference is dramatic in several respects.

    * speed, first off. PageMaker under Windows is more than just a little
      faster than Ventura
    * size: two identical-looking documents, one in PageMaker, one
      in Ventura, PageMaker is a larger /document/ file, but Ventura
      by virtue of its creating duplicate images for internal consumption
      uses up much, much more disk space.
    * WYSIWYG: PageMaker Wins hands down.
    * Accuracy, Precision. I haven't been able to evaluate this yet
      but I don't think there will be a clear winner. In Ventura,
      I could always specify with high accuracy where an element should
      be, its size, margins, etc., to arbitrary precision (depending on
      the units I chose to specify position in). PageMaker doesn't seem
      to have the same (where can I type in exactly 15.4 mm for placement
      of a guideline?) flexibility (where can I type in the exact size
      of a line element?) I think this is my fault so far, and I'm sure
      I'll find out how to do this soon. The joke is, of course, that
      Ventura's output wasn't exactly what I had specified. I have 12 
      pages of photographic material, bled-to-edge, where I overlapped
      images 5mm outisde of the page. The images were EPS files. The
      output I got was images a random amount of space inside or outside
      the page boundaries. So much for accuracy. I worked on another
      project a week to get over-edge bleeding for a pattern-filled 
      EPS.

My only regret is that I didn't to all of this two months ago. What a drag!




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From: azalea@igc.apc.org (Jerry Whiting)
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
Subject: Re: Ventura to PageMaker (Windows)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:12:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Dec17.155008.9171@ircam.fr:809803322:cdp:1369600011:000:246
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!azalea    Dec 19 09:12:00 1992


To specify a guide that's 15.4 mm, change to cm in for your ruler measurement
in the Preferences dialog box, turn on snap to rulers and then pull out a guide.
You may have to increase the View to 200% to get the right ruler increments.

jwhiting
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: jvn@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Julian V. Noble)
Subject: Ventura drivers?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:35:55 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get a driver to let Ventura Gem v. 3.0 use
the scalable fonts feature of the HP LaserJet III?

Ventura's technical help seems to be always on vacation, so I have not
been able to get info from them. Unfortunately, my recently purchased
Ventura Publisher comes only with antiquated HP drivers. Any help will
be appreciated.

-- J.V. Noble
Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: mross@iat.holonet.net (Michael Ross)
Subject: Announcing DTP-L, the Desktop Publishing list
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:47:17 GMT

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Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: ducati@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (stefano ducati)
Subject: Ventura P. vs. XPress ???
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:38:31 GMT


He,

I used for many years all the family of Ventura Publusher releases,
but now heread about XPress.
Is it possible to know if XPress is really reliable under windows and
if its way to work is much better than VP.

Ciao Stefano and grazie



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Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: Re: Framemaker Questions?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:06:51 GMT

I'll second that earlier posting reccommending FrameMaker for long
and/or structured docs. Basically, it's a great writer's tool and is
excellent in a networked environment because different flavors run
on some 20+ UNIX boxes, Windows, Mac, and Next.

If you're doing short, design-oriented documents, you'll be happier with
PageMaker or a reasonable facsimile. If you're doing tech doc, newsletters,
journals or something similar, FM will probably make life a lot easier.

Frame is running two competitive upgrades (for Windows at least, I'm not sure
about other platforms). Straight licenses for Windows are about $350; 
educational discounts take it to less than $200.

Also, there's a comp.text.frame newsgroup you might want to visit...

Art

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From: nils@sonya.exp-math.uni-essen.de (Nils Rennebarth)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Graphic -> LaTeX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:10:47 +0100
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Use bm2font (available on all good servers, e.g. ftp.uni-stuttgart.de,
directory soft/tex/utilities/bm2font/*.* , manual & MSDOS binary).
It converts almost all popular bitmap-formats to a .pk font which
can be used by every DVI-driver. It also produces the .tfm file and
a .tex file to be included plus a short instruction how the picture
can actually be produced in your document. It's really foolproof
and comfortable.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: (IBM PC) dvivga shows blank screen
From: dennis_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:22:09 GMT
Reply-To: dennis_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <18371@borg.cs.unc.edu>, wagner@ives.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner) writes:
>...
>I down loaded a .dvi file from school, and tried to run dvivga
>on that file.  I get a white screen w/no print visible.  However,
>the program doesn't appear to be hung--  if I push the up arrow or
>down arrows keys or the PageUp PageDn keys, the hard drive
>access light comes on...
>
>	2)  dvivga can't find the right font files.
>	I see any error messages, but I'm not quite sure how
>	to look for them.  I saw a -q option, but I didn't
>	see the opposite, if that's what I need.
>...

Option 2) seems more likely.  Try

  dvivga -d24 thingy.dvi

to see what files (including font files) dvivga is trying to open.  That
will tell you if you've got the right fonts in the right places.

regards,

Chris Dennis                                dennis_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Wellington, New Zealand
From: gilligan@central.bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: hyphen in math mode
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:15:18 MST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

   I wanted to print a normal hyphen in a complex math formula. I even tried

   edefhm{-}

   outside math but in all my attemts I got math minus instead. Can someone
   help me with this problem?

Try \hbox{-}, as in $x - y\hbox{-}z$.

---Jon
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Putting tables and figures at end of paper
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:31:54 GMT


Has anyone out there developed a LaTeX hack that will format tables and
figures in the way that many journals still want submitted, i.e., put them
all at the end of a paper, and separate out the figure captions on a
separate sheet(s)?

In other words, the output is in this order, even though I have the figure
and text commands included in the body of the text:

Title page, text, references on numbered pages.
Tables with captions on unnumbered pages.
Figure captions on unnumbered pages.
Figures on unnumbered pages.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: TeX's memory
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Date: 13 Dec 92 10:16:45 PST

Here's one I've been wondering about: The standard LaTeX styles
zero some definitions after use (the title stuff) claiming that
it saves memory. Now I've not looked to closely at this part of
TeX but I have a vague recollection of DEK saying that TeX does
not do garbage collection, which would indicate that this isn't
true. Does anybody have the scoop on this one?

-dh
From: Wolfgang Ratzka <wolfgang.ratzka@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Conversion between LaTeX and WordPerfect
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:59:13 +0100
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

   Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:55:12 +0100
   From: Wolfgang Ratzka <wolfgang.ratzka@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de>

      I have a need to be able to convert files between LaTeX and WordPerfect.
      There is a program available to convert from WP to LaTeX, WP2LATEX.
      However, I do not know of a program for going the other way.
      Does anyone know of such a program?
   Sounds very improbable that anybody
   \begin{sarcasm}
   Do you know a translator from
   \end{sarcasm}
oops, I hit the wrong key. On second thinking, this kind of translator
wouldn't sound like a bad idea. But it sounds like a pretty complex
task. After all it would have to deal with macros and definitions....
From: mroth@afit.af.mil (Mark A. Roth)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: fixed width fonts
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:30:51 EST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Are there any public domain fixed width TeX fonts available besides
computer modern typewriter (cmtt..)?  A hyphenating version is prefered.

We are being forced to typeset the text on some of our forms using a fixed
width font equivalent to 10pt courier in order to standardize the forms.
Why we have to standardize and sacrifice readibility is a mystery to me
but typography is not the strong suit of most bureaucrats.

Am I correct in assuming the Courier is not a public domain font?

Thanks for your help.

Mark Roth
mroth@afit.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: A8131DAL@vm.univie.ac.at (Peter Schmitt)
Subject: Re: space of minus sign without printing minus sign?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:25:25 GMT

>did not do the trick. The simple solution to me, without
>any complicated programming, is to simply \hskip the amount
>of horizontal space taken by the minus sign (within $ and $)
>but without actually printing the minus sign.

plain TeX provides hphantom  for this purpose (hphantom{-}, e.g.)
- probably available in LaTeX, too

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: 600 dpi mode for MF.
Keywords: MetaFont, MF 600 dpi
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.234657.11339@cs.sfu.ca> alistair@cs.sfu.ca (Alistair Lachlan) writes:
>
>  Is there a version of MF available that has a mode for the new 600dpi
>HP-laserjet?  If so where can I get a hold of it?  If not how can I modify
>MF and MakeTeXPK so that I can generate 600dpi fonts for this printer?

Is there a .dvi driver for the new HP?  If not, you won't be able to
use the fonts.

-Joel
(joel@wam.umd.edu)
From: Petr Novotny <NOVOTNYP%CSEARN.BITNET@SHSU.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: YMIR archive
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:21:47 MDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

Well, let's suppose I need to get the whole directory from YMIR. Unfortunately,
the directory contains let's say 30 files, each of them is 10 kB - nothing
too big - but too many files. Is there a way to obtain an archive of the whole
directory (I mean the same way as ftp.tex.ac.uk archive does - I request
<directory>.zip and get the whole directory in one file... What a way!)?
If not, could someone tell me, where the fonts mentioned in a post a week ago
(or less) to be at YMIR are in Aston (I mean the "complete list of fonts").

Thank you very much.


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From: asnd@erich.triumf.ca (Donald Arseneau)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Existance of \make_caps{...}
Date: 11 Dec 1992 15:30 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Dec11.155546.21394@eng.umd.edu>, lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind) writes...
> 
>Hi,
>	I'm looking for a macro or a way to simply capitalize a large
>set of mixed case text.  I would like to just type a command before the text and
>then bracket it, like {\em kkkkkk} for italisizing.  I've looked through
>Lamport's book as well as David M. Jones' index, but with no luck.

Changing the suntax from \uppercase{kkkkk} to {\up kkkkk} relies on a 
dirty trick in the TeX book (and used in LaTeX at places)

\newcommand\up{\expandafter\Upp\expandafter{\ifnum0=`}\fi}%% -> \Upp{
\newcommand\Upp[1]{\uppercase{#1}\ifnum0=`{\fi}}


(I hven't tested, so there might be a `typo')

Donald
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: gomme@beaufort.sfu.ca (Paul Gomme)
Subject: Re: space of minus sign without printing minus sign?
Organization: Dept. of Economics, Simon Fraser University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:23:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.190854.17792@athena.cs.uga.edu> shen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mingzuo Shen) writes:
>    Often times I need to vertically align two symbols (or numbers)
>which are different by a minus sign; e.g. 
>
>        -1   \epsilon
>         1  -\epsilon

I find that ~ works well.  For example,

         -1  ~\epsilon
         ~1  -\epsilon

>  Also, sometimes I would like to vertically align
>symbols, some of which has superscript and subscripts.
>I would like to align them by the base, like
>
>        a2         a2         a2
>        b   -not-   b  -nor-  b
>       -c          -c         -c

Same principle:

        ~a2         a2         a2
        ~b~         ~b         b~
        -c~         -c         -c
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: BibTeX project
From: brownt1@lincoln.ac.nz
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:24:46 +1300


Firstly, a problem i'm having with BibTeX, capitalization in titles...

title = {Losses of {\em {P}inus radiata} in {K}aoriri forest}

The K in Kaoriri is always capitalised, which is correct, but the the P in 
Pinus is always lower case, which is incorrect.  I assume it something to 
do with the P already being within the {\em }, any solutions would be very 
helpful.

Secondly, I'm in the middle of writing a program to read, write and 
manipulate BibTeX .bib files, at the moment, it read a .bib file and 
builds a list of the entry types and field names used in it as it goes.
it also handles things like @preamble{ } and @STRING{ }.  I think i 
started writing it because i wanted to sort the entries in the file on say 
author so you could print it out as a hard reference for use away from a 
pc.  if anyone thinks this would be useful, or can suggest any other 
features that such a framework could include, i'd like to know

thanks -tb
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Probably very naive Plain TeX question about tabbing
Summary: \+ rejected in a \loop
Keywords: tabbing loop
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:18:35 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

Can anybody teach me why the following program bombs even before prompting
for the first time? The example is built on The TeX Book page 231.
TeX says that the  \+  is illegal in the \loop construct. Why ?
If you know the reason and the place where explained, please quote both.
Thanks in advance - Jacques

\newcount\n \n=0
\def\Argone#1 #2 #3/{#1}   % a slash / as final delimiter
\def\Argtwo#1 #2 #3/{#2}
\def\Argthree#1 #2 #3/{#3}
\settabs 3 \columns
\loop 
  \read0 to \junk
  \+ \Argone\junk & \Argtwo\junk & \Argthree\junk \cr
  \advance\n by 1
  \ifnum\n<5 \repeat
\bye
From: cgra@btma74.nohost.nodomain
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Conversion between LaTeX and WordPerfect
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: cgra@btma74.nohost.nodomain ()


In article <1992Dec14.012152.2978@wam.umd.edu>, joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:
|>Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu
|>
|>In article <NMOUAWAD.92Dec13163814@math.waterloo.edu> nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes:
|>>
|>> [re converting a .dvi file into WP]
|>>
|>>I use WP daily various text. Still I question its ability at dealing
|>>with something as horrific as
|>>
|>>$a_{i,j_{k-\frac{k-\floor{\frac{1}{n}}}{k-1}}}$. 
|>
|>I haven't used WP in over a year, but my understanding is that it can
|>use arbitrary downloadable fonts and has arbitrary vertical and
|>horizontal spacing.  That's all you need.  Of course, the resulting
|>eq. may have both a vertical and horizontal spacing command before
|>each symbol, rendering it difficult to edit, but it >can< be done.  
|>

All things are possible to the man who doesn't have to do it.  You just 
lost your secretary.

BTW the WP file you describe sounds very much like the kind of .ps file
produced by the (Strunk) postscript driver.

|>One advantage to this might be secretaries who already know WP and not
|>TeX.  The author would prepare the hard parts in TeX, convert it to
|>WP, and have the secretary fill in the rest.  Not ideal, but it should
|>work.  

Would it not be easier in that case to produce the "hard bits" as postscript
or image files, to be inserted into the typable text as required?

|>Also, now that I think of it, converting a .dvi program to WP would
|>make it much easier to distribute.  Everyone has access to WP, not so
|>with TeX (or even dvi2....).  
|>


Defeatist nonsense! There is no excuse for not having TeX.
|>

Chris                     cgra@se.alcbel.be
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Conversion between LaTeX and WordPerfect
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:37:29 GMT

In article <9212131559.AA13239@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de> Wolfgang Ratzka <wolfgang.ratzka@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de> writes:
>   Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:55:12 +0100
>   From: Wolfgang Ratzka <wolfgang.ratzka@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de>
>
>      I have a need to be able to convert files between LaTeX and WordPerfect.
>      There is a program available to convert from WP to LaTeX, WP2LATEX.
>      However, I do not know of a program for going the other way.
>      Does anyone know of such a program?
>   Sounds very improbable that anybody
>   \begin{sarcasm}
>   Do you know a translator from
>   \end{sarcasm}
>oops, I hit the wrong key. On second thinking, this kind of translator
>wouldn't sound like a bad idea. But it sounds like a pretty complex
>task. After all it would have to deal with macros and definitions....
>

I should think it would be easier to convert a .dvi file to
WordPerfect.  The .dvi file specifies exactly where each letter should
be, and it which font it should be printed.  WP can do that.

-Joel
(joel@wam.umd.edu)
From: "Maurizio Ferconi" <PHYSFERC@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: exceeding memory problem
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:10:08 CST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

In the attempt to typeset a LaTeX file contained in the REVTEX 3.0
package, with a Macintosh IIsi, using Textures,  I get the following
error message:
**********************************************************************
Runaway definition?
->\write \@auxout {\@writefile{lot}{\string\contentsli\ETC.
! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [main memory size=67584].
<argument> ...e tablenotes are n
                                umbered and set automaticall
y...
\addcontentsline ...line {#2}{#3
                                }{\the \@temptokena }}}}\@te
m...
\@caption ...{\ignorespaces #2}}
                                \begingroup \@parboxrestore
\...
l.491 \label{table1}}

If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.


Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
 408 strings out of 4861
 3668 string characters out of 27259
 40838 words of memory out of 67584
 2429 multiletter control sequences out of 10000
 28 hyphenation exceptions out of 307
 13i,9n,18p,1042b,201s stack positions out of 200i,60n,60p,5000b,2000s
Output written on apssamp (5 pages, 18744 bytes).
********************************************************************
Does anybody know if it is possible to solve  this problem?
Thanks,
          Maurizio
From: da188@city.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: csart.sty
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:19:19 GMT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

I have been trying to LaTeX a document which specifies a documentstyle
of `csart'. I have been unable to locate this style file via archie at all.
Does anyone know what this is and where I can obtain a copy?

Ajai
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