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From: walkera@egg.gg.caltech.edu (Walker Aumann)
Subject: Re: Warmaster Speaks: Metal Movies
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: all
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:49:46 GMT

In <6APR199220341205@zeus.tamu.edu> wwg2101@zeus.tamu.edu (GILPIN, W.W.) writes:

>>Hardware - Features "Stigmata" by the Ministry over a clip from a GWAR show or
>>  something (definately gwar)
Also has a cameo spot with Lemmy, if I remember right.

>>Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey - Primus are in the battle of the bands
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure also has several small LA bands on the
soundtrack.

Eat the Rich - has Lemmy with a few lines.  Also has lots of Motorhead in
the soundtrack.

River's Edge has a lot of Slayer in the soundtrack.

Walker
From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Warmaster Speaks: Metal Movies
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:49:14 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <17335.29e04e3b@levels.unisa.edu.au> 9135477m@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

   Does anyone know of a good movie with decent thrash bands in it.

   the only ones I have seen have got poser glam bands in them.

Try David Lynch's "Wild at Heart". In addition to being a very good movie, it
has Powermad doing "Slaughterhouse" and (I think) they do play in the back-
ground some of their stuff too.

And doubt that there's actual 'thrash'-movies in existence, some movies just
have some metallibands on their soundtracks: Slayer in Less than Zero,
Megadave in Bill & Ted's.


   --
--
Ville Lavonius	        :Hey, DJ, some:     Life's but a short trip - 
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi :  Apocalypso : that's why I've chosen the cynic route
From: 9106027l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Look Here
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:41:36 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

OK,

Does anyone have the lyrics to SLAYER'S REIGN IN blood
                                        heLL AWAITS,



Also do any of you know if Slayer are coming to AUSTRALIA soon.


THANX  The Anti Christ
From: hs1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Heather Elizabeth Stevens)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Metal movies
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:12:30 GMT
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I just read somewhere that the new Stephen King movie "Sleepwalkers"
will feature a song from the "Metallica" album.  Didn't say which one,
but considering the title of the movie I imagine "Enter Sandman" would
be appropriate...

later
--Heather:)
From: mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Raymond Cote)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Re: Carcass Gig
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:27:31 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know when Carcass is going to be in either the Pittsburgh
area (before May 13) or the Boston area (after).

Thanks in advance for any info.

--Michael Cote
From: un037473@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Slayer bootleg 4-sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:59:33 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


     I wish to sell a live Slayer bootleg that I bought a few years ago.  The
name is Captors of Sin and it was recorded somewhere in Europe.  The sound
quality is good, but for a bootleg I really can't tell since I haven't heard
any others.  It is a double live album recorded during the Hell Awaits tour.  
I paid $40 for it so any reasonable offers will be considered. Get in touch.

"All religion sucks"
 
 "Religious Vomit"
    Dead Kennedys
							Jim
From: logan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Stealthy Belligerence)
Subject: je m'appelle Jaques Cousteau
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:28:47 GMT

my son Pierre, diving through the icy waters of the North Atlantic,
searching, searching, he fell dead, torn to pieces by rabid penguins

(I found my long lost gwar tape)

-xmas

[C-x i .sig]
	and if you thought that was bad wait till you see the plaid one
          Christopher Smith     SDF-7     
                 logan@wpi.wpi.edu     Phone Number:phone?     
                                                   whats a phone??
                       
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Good Bands?
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 5 Apr 92 12:17:19 PST

In article <1992Apr04.000817.25736@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, braunste@summit.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (steam) writes:
>> Hey can any body recommend any good bands to check out?
>> 
>> I'm a grad student at the University of Florida, and there is
>> no good radio action here, consequently I'm out of touch with the
>> tuneage.  The local 'Classic Rock'/Eagles-Supertramp-Tom Petty tribute 
>> station is as good as it gets.
>> 
>> I like bands such as No Means No, Big Black, and Fugazi, but
>> I don't dig deathcore or most metal.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> -Garry
> 
> yea.  check out tad, green river, cosmic psychos, boss hog, L7, dickless,  
> lard, jonestown, dwarves, melvins, mudhoney.  if you want more lemme know.   
> these are all thrash without the death stuff.  for a good general taste,  
> pick up "guns, dope and fucking in the streets, vol. 4-7".  it's a  
> compilation of a bunch of sub-pop and other thrash bands.  another good  
> comp. of all women bands (thrash) is teriyaki asthma.  it's got like  
> dickless, L7, frightwig, babes in toyland, etc.  
> 
> steam

	That stuff is _not_ thrash.

	BTW, thrash started out without 'the death stuff.'
From: mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Raymond Cote)
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Onslaught, Fear of God
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:05:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EdsuNMS00WBOE9gK5D
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Does anyone know about what Onslaught and/or Fear of God are up to? 
Does anyone know if either band will be coming out with a new album
anytime soon?

Thanks for any info.

--Michael Cote
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
From: jborzell@oak.math.ucla.edu (Joseph Borzellino)
Subject: Re: sadus
Keywords: swallowed in black
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.093740.4837@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> 4str@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (greg.a..clewell) writes:
>Peoples, Anyone know anything about this band.  My friend bought the
>Sadus tape swallowed in black, it was way to heavy for him so he gave
>it to me. ;-).  It is out on the roadracer label (I seem to really dig
>Do they have other albums out and what are they like?  

Their first album was called "Illusions" originally and released on an
independent label (I don't remember which one).  It has since been 
re-released by Roadrunner as "Chemical Exposure".  It is exactly the same
as the "Illusions" release.
				      Joe.
Newsgroups: alt.thrash
Subject: Pitchshifter
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:01:10 +1200
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, New Zealand


Pitchshifter - Industrial

Awesome Industrial metal in the same lines as Godflesh. Go, buy.
(thanks to the person who recommended it.)

-- 
Red
From: gwynh@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Gwyn Horn)
Newsgroups: alt.skate
Subject: looking for used skates
Date: 7 Apr 1992 00:01:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

Im looking for any used skates (inlines)
in women's size 8 1/2 or 9.
Any info would be appreciated!

Gwyn

Newsgroups: alt.skate
From: aa381@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry Gerber)
Subject: Stopping on rollerblades: Capn Jack
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 05:31:17 GMT


Cap'n Jack:  it's easy to stop on your bloller-raids... same
as on ice skates (for me, anyhow)



... just slam against the GOALIE... he's s'posed to stop 
everything, isn't he?

/s/ Smokey the SkaterSplatDog

Newsgroups: alt.skate
From: netwise@teal.csn.org (Netwise Inc)
Subject: Re: looking for used skates
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:08:41 GMT
Expires: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:00:00 GMT

alt.skate is a dead newsgroup; it has been replaced by rec.skate.

If you want to get a response to postings, post them to rec.skate.

Hopefully, alt.skate will someday be deleted from all sites.

--phil
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
From: michaelb@shark.cse.fau.edu (Michael Brown)
Subject: Shadow comic
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:42:20 GMT

Well with issue 31, DC Shadow comic "The Shadow Strikes" has ended.

One thing of interest is that in the afterword, the writer states
that another company (unnamed) has obtain the license to do a Shadow
comic.  So hopefully we will see a new Shadow comic.  I hope that it
was Millinnium, the producers of the best Doc Savage comic ever, but
I do not believe it is them.
-- 
<<                                                               >>
<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<<                                                               >>
Newsgroups: alt.pulp
From: michaelb@shark.cse.fau.edu (Michael Brown)
Subject: Doc Savage Miscellaneous
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:39:14 GMT

 I recently received the latest Doc Savage Comic from Millennium
(no. 3)  They report that the next mini-series will be entitled
"Doom Dynasty" and will appear shortley after the current series.

There where a few interesting things in that issue I should mention.

Graffitti Designs is apparently putting out a limited-edition print
of James Bama cover for "Phantom City".  They did not say when or
how much it would cost.

There is a Doc Savage club.  Its called "Bronze Gazzette" and the
address is PO Box 1145, Modesto, CA 95353.

Hope this is of interest to you all.
-- 
<<                                                               >>
<< Michael R. Brown    CS Graduate Student-Florida Atlantic Univ >>
<< Internet: michaelb@sol.cse.fau.edu                            >>
<<                                                               >>
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!boattailbob@cs.utexas.edu (Boattail Bob)
Newsgroups: alt.cosuard
Subject: Number of lines allowed in Central Texas
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:16:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr07.131630.18939
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

I believe (though I am not positive) that we are allowed 3 lines in our
residences in Texas before SWB begins to charge business rates.  It could
also be anything over 3 "data" lines.  I know that 1@1041 WWIVnet has 1
voice and 3 data lines at his residence and is not charged business rates
because all of his lines are supposedly "voice" lines.  I'll have to check
closer...

boattail bob
WWIVnet: 1@5299
boattailbob@pro-smof.cts.com
----
ProLine:  boattailbob@pro-smof
Internet: boattailbob@pro-smof.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-smof!boattailbob
ARPA:     crash!pro-smof!boattailbob@nosc.mil
From: lm2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Luis J Mendez)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Survey
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:29:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cdsaWom00io289p0oJ
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

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From: dwrigley@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Jilted/Cheating in an MLM
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:14:23 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr9.161939.17018@wam.umd.edu>, barrypa@wam.umd.edu (Barry E. 
Henderson) writes:
> 	The one thing to hurt any litigiment MLM is a distributor.  Each 
> company prints out its marketing plan and how to reach higher goals in
> the business through product movement.  

Every distributor needs to remember that they are not a representative of the
company they are working with (as a general rule) but an independent
distributor. BUT that is not how other people who are seeing the marketing
plans generally view it. The perception that they form is that this is the only
way it works, the way that they have been showed and the person who showed them
is Right....

Needless to say, I have run into this a couple of times, and have a long slow
job persuading people that their images were wrong. The hardest of these was my
own grandparents, who saw the marketing plan 6 years before I did, and it was
sold to them as door-to-door selling......

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Danny Wrigley		|I always have been the mouth piece of an organisation,
University of Waikato	|I have yet to find that organisation.....
Hamilton		|-------------------------------------------------------
New Zealand		|Fancy quote to be added here....
email:			|
dwrigley@waikato.ac.nz	|
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From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: MLM and pyramid schemes
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:15:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


In article <1992Apr10.214452.5213@wam.umd.edu> barrypa@wam.umd.edu writes:
>This brings up a good question, what is a pyramid scheme?  The word "pyramid
>scheme" does not appear in the dictionary so what is its definition.
> [various definitions from dictionary for "pyramid" and "scheme" omitted]
 
>Which of these definitions combined together get the meaning you want, it is
>pretty vague?  Ex.  Are you reffering to shape, business practice, plan, etc..
 
How about this definition of pyramid (from Webster's New World Dictionary,
Second College Edition): "a structure ... suggesting a [geometric] pyramid."
 
>What makes [a marketing plan which includes remuneration for recruiting
>people] different from a retail store manager hiring a salesperson, to
>sell product over the counter for commission.
 
OK Barry.  You tell me... How often, when you're in a drug store, a grocery
store, or even at a car dealer's, does the retail sales person say:  "Have
I got a great opportunity for you... instead of merely buying this product
for your own use, why don't you try selling it... but the best part is, you can
offer your "prospects" this very same opportunity... and on and on?
 
>By [calling yourself "Dream Thief,"] I presume that you have some direct
>or indirect experience from a MLM long ago... you should educate yourself
> on ... successfull [sic] MLMs.
 
I call myself "Dream Thief" as a way of mocking Amway's response that
people who find flaws with the marketing plan are trying to "steal
their dream."
 
It is really of little interest to me whether a particular MLM is successful
or not, or whether someone who participates may be successful.  I *concede*
that people with the right talents and motivation may be able to profit in
MLM.  My concern is that people ought to consider the ETHICS of participating
in MLM.
 
I have heard many times statements to the effect that people in MLM feel
very good about being able to *help* their downline succeed.  But in the
end, MLM marketing plans which emphasize the recruiting aspect leave many
many people stuck holding the bag; relatively few are "helped".  If you
understand why these things are called "pyramid schemes", it should be
obvious why this is the case.
 
					Eli "Dream Thief" Mantel
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
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        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: legal questions about MLMs
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:23:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Daryl Kihila writes:
 > Could anyone tell me why MLM is legal while pyramids are not?
 > I don't understand the distinction.

First things first.

There are legal pyramid schemes, and illegal pyramid schemes.
A further distinction is between ethical and unethical pyramid schemes.

All MLM's are pyramid schemes.  That is to say, they have a marketing
plan which includes remuneration for recruiting people.  One does not have
to be paid "per recruit" for this to apply -- one can be
paid on the basis of the recruits' sales.

Each "level" of recruits constitutes a new "base" for the pyramid.  In
practice, an MLM does not grow as a mathematically perfect pyramid, but this is
of no consequence.  That base of the pyramid is typically equal to or
larger than the rest of the entire pyramid, and as most MLMers will tell
you, it takes time to make money in MLM -- the people in this new base
are therefore not making any money.

To understand why MLMs are legal, one must go back, not so much to Amway,
but to Avon and to products sold via Party Plan.  Avon reps, and distributors
of merchandise sold via party plan, would occasionally get inquiries from
housewives about how they could become representatives.  When one joined,
naturally, the original rep received an override on sales.

Why MLMs are legal

There does not seem to be anything wrong with the overrides provided by
Avon. But MLM generally turns things inside out, placing the emphasis
on recruiting, with very little concern for sales.

The FTC basically was unable to write regulations that could legally
discern the difference between Avon's practices and Amway's practices.  Since
on was okay, it followed that Amway was okay also.

In an effort to avoid some even less ethical organizations than Amway, the FTC
wrote some rules which identified certain specific practices that would
be illegal, yet nevertheless made it possible to run a legal pyramid
scheme such as Amway and numerous other MLMs.

							Eli
							Dream Thief

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From: aab8380@spindletop.tamu.edu (Ashley A. Barnett, PhD, Russell)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Test
Keywords: Test
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:21:46 GMT
Reply-To: aab8380@spindletop.tamu.edu

This is a test to see if I can post.

Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: graham@convex.com (Marv Graham)
Subject: Re: legal questions about MLMs
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:54:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr10.042335.11820@samba.oit.unc.edu> Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel) writes:
>Daryl Kihila writes:
> > Could anyone tell me why MLM is legal while pyramids are not?
> > I don't understand the distinction.
>
>First things first.
>
>There are legal pyramid schemes, and illegal pyramid schemes.
>A further distinction is between ethical and unethical pyramid schemes.
>
>All MLM's are pyramid schemes.  That is to say, they have a marketing
>plan which includes remuneration for recruiting people.

It is my understanding that in the MLM arena, it is illegal to pay remuneration
for recruiting alone.  All remuneration must derive from the sale of products
and/or services.

Marv Graham; Convex Computer Corp.  {uunet,sun,uiucdcs,allegra}!convex!graham
					graham@bach.convex.com
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 23:52:50 -0400 
From: Luis J Mendez <lm2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Survey: correction 

	Sorry for the waste of bandwidth...
	My name is Luis Mendez, student  at the Information Networking
Institute at Carnegie Mellon and I am working on a survey for an
Industrial Administration course.  The purpose of the survey is to
collect information regarding the characteristics that industrial
customers look for in a firm from which they plan to buy a product or
service and how those characteristics affect the selection process.  As
area of study, I have chosen computer hardware firms.  It is of my
interest to learn what characteristics are considered by corporations
when deciding from which firm it is desirable to buy computer hardware. 
If any of this netnews' readers is related to hardware purchasing at any
company and would like to participate on this survey, please send me an
email with a fax number where I can reach you, and I will fax you back
the questions and all the information concerning the survey.  Any help
you can bring me  will be really appreciated.  Copies of the team's
final report will be available upon request.  Thanks for your help.

	Luis Mendez
	lm2k@andrew.cmu.edu
From: zaval@athena.mit.edu (Antonis)
Subject:  Info on Amway....
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:37:22 GMT


I was told that some time ago there was a heated discussion in 
misc.jobs.misc about Amway.  At that time there was an accusation 
floating around that Amway is connected with Christian Science or 
something like this.  Any info?

Antonis Zavaliangos

Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: REQUEST: Can somebody forward a.b.m-l. postings to me?
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:40:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Hello,

I got the following e-mail from Larry Smith, and he gave me permission to
post it here.  He would like to receive the postings made to this newsgroup
via e-mail.  Is there someway, or someone, who could do that automatically
for him?

Thanks.  

Jon Noring

(p.s., there are others who would want the same since many sites turn of
this newsgroup.)



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From: lsmith@unssun.scs.unr.edu (Larry Smith)
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To: noring@netcom.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Nu Skin, is it good business?
Newsgroups: misc.entrepreneurs
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno
Cc: 
Status: RO


 Hi Jon,

 
	I was wondering if there is a mailing list for alt.business.
multi-level? My site doesn't get the group, and in talking with my
sysadmin, it appears that we won't get it in the future since it is
being dropped somewhere up the line from us.

                                              Larry


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