From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Example of Argic's anti-ethnic bigotry
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:30:38 GMT
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In <9211181950@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In article <Bxstt6.BBG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

+>>>the modern Greeks
+>>>are equally unrelated to the ancient Macedonians as the inhabitants of
+>>>the Republic of Macedonia.

+>> Have you ever taken a Math class FAT?  Greeks have been living continously
+>> in Macedonia for thousands of years.  Although it would be incorrect to

+>Here we go again; more ridicule. Today those "tamtams" boast about being 
+>the descendants of a great civilization, and the cradle of democracy. 
+>Howevers there are serious doubts in history for both claims.

+>First of all, several historians and anthropologists have produced
+>substantial evidence with respect to any connection between 
+>present-day Greece and ancient Greece. The prominent German
+>historian Jacop P. Fallmerayer published a treatise in 1830
+>and made the assertion that during the Middle Ages slavik
+>tribes poured into Greece and annihilated the entire Greek
+>population. Truly, can anyone see any resemblance between 
+>that beacon of ignorance and the ancient Greeks who created a 
+>civilization?

	Fallmerayer is not a credible source for the same reason that
similar research from that century that "proved" non-europeans were
mentally inferior to europeans is invalid.....or for the same reason
that the theory that criminal behavior can be predicted by appearance.

	Did these Slavs "pouring" into Greece "pour" out into the seas 
to places like Cyprus at the same time?  Did they "pour" out into 
Asia minor along the coasts.

	The greeks dont resemble "ancient greeks" any more than Italians
resemble "ancient romans" of the empire.  Perhaps you could explain why
"modern" turks dont resemble the turks of 400 years ago?

	Could there possibly be any resemblance between the turks who
had a world-class empire and those who at the start of this century
ran an "empire" which could only be preserved because the other powers
could not decide how to divide it up.



+>As for democracy, in its entire history Greece has never been
+>a democracy - except for the last 17.5 years. Before 1974 Greece 
+>was ruled either by military dictators or monarchs. Greece
+>adopted democracy in 1974 when the ruling military junta
+>fell as a result of Turkish intervention in Cyprus. In
+>contrast Turkiye, three short termed military interventions
+>withstanding, had multi-party democracy since 1950, for
+>32 years.

	So 17.5 years vs. a whole 32 years of turkish "democracy".
I dont see as either country has very much to be proud of.  
Of course you are glossing over the real situation in turkey as
"multu-party" democracy existed at the whim of the army for
a large part of those 32 years.  The short-termed "military interventions"
being the army showing that "democracy" had limits.

	And could you explain how the restrictions on kurdish language 
and culture (turkification) are consistant with multi-party "democracy".