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From: eyoxthei@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Eric Yoxtheimer - EECS)
Subject: Re: A business major catching up.
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.114338.25001@cco.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:

>And management training alone is NOT SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW YOU TO ACCURATELY
>ASSESS THE COMPANY'S INTERESTS.  You also have to know, at a fairly detailed
>level, exactly what the company's business is, and how it works."
>

"Bingo!!  So StoM, what's your gripe?  The example you showed perfectly
illustrates what heppens when you DON'T have managers that understand
what a company is doing.  This is stuff that all the business course I
ever took (and the managers that I've known) all stress.  If your 
managers (or whoever is ACTUALLY in charge) don't have a clue then the
company will eventually fail.  Common sense."

(* Toothpick quote ;*)
>>To run a small company successfully, it's ESSENTIAL to consider the 'big
>>picture' - to think about how one action in one area impacts another area. 
>
>"True.  But management training alone won't let you do this."
>

"No, but sure is a good step.  It also depends on the "management" 
training.  Does it focus on personel, finance, marketing, sales (there
is a difference), manufacturing, or what?  I agree, there is no 
one cure all.  But what's to stop a person from gettingmore than
one area?

(*  Toothpick again :*)
>>"And for the record, scraping the bottom of my brain for ideas from that 
>>original post on education, I *DON'T* believe having everyone study business
>>will solve anything.
>
>Actully, the person quoted simply said, essentially, that if you want to make
>lots of money, get an MBA."

"Actually, I'd say that the way to make big bucks is to get at least some 
sort of technical background, and combine it with business.  Since darn
near everything is affected in some way by technology it behooves a person
to at least understand some of the principles of technology and how
it realtes to business.

"Oh, by the way...I'm NOT a business major.  In fact I hold a BS in
Electronic Engineering Tech, a BS in Industrial Distribution/Sales along
with a couple ofm inors thrown in for good effect.  But I have taken
business courses and plan on eventually getting an MBA and an MS."

"Sorry for rambling folks...time for another drink!"

-Grayghost (Eric)
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: abortion
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:26:59 GMT
 <12247@tamsun.tamu.edu><1992Apr12.134057.14439@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu><1992Apr13.010302.7757@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU's message of 13 Apr 92 01:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.010302.7757@ucc.su.OZ.AU> ablanch@physics.su.OZ.AU (Shonias) writes:

>>"i _personally_ am the result of failed birth control.  i am glad to
>>be here and i think my mothere is glad, too.  but that is not the
>>point.  the point is that there are some women around who can not,
>>will not make the same decision my mother made.  and it must be their
>>choice." 
>
>"Hear hear! Yes Kitten, me too! My mother was in a position to make
>a life for me, there are plenty of others who are not!"

"Amen, from yet another "Oops!"

 
--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@gnu.ai.mit.edu (seldom used)
"So come all ye lovers of the Good Life, your children playing in the sun,
And set a sympathetic flag a-flying, and be there when the Dutchman comes..."
                                      -Jethro Tull, "Flying Dutchman"
From: AXM113@psuvm.psu.edu (Abner Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Potstickers
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:58:19 GMT
 <rr6gqINN84c@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Apr7.153853.10621@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Eric the Giant is eating some of the Grey Lady's potstickers when Berith
notices the smell and wakes up.

>He lands heavily near Grey Lady and the pot of potstickers, looking round for
>the Giant!  Fully awake now, he can't find any giants (at least not ones that
>seem like giants to dragons) and shakes his head to clear the sleep away.

>The only thing that comes to mind is the smell of the potstickers, stronger
>than ever.  Birith manages a bow to Grey Lady, thinking, <<Pardon me, but
>could
>I have some of those wonderful, delicious, scrumptious potstickers that you
>have there?>>, his huge eyes whirling a very appealing shade of blue.

Tizrak walks over next to the dragon and says
      "Well, the Grey Lady probably won't mind, but don't you think it would be
polite to move off of the Giant?"

A startled "Mrrrph" comes out from under Berith, followed by sounds of Erik
talking to Kitten elsewhere in the room.

"Never mind, it sounds like he already escaped ..."
From: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rhetoric: The End of Morality in Society (?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:57:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: yrloc.9204081834.AA07106
Reply-To: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
X-Unparsable-Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:37 UT


-----------Message forwarded from IPSA Mailbox-------------
no. 6134520 filed 18.18.10  wed  8 apr 1992
from dgil
to   locun
subj Re: Rhetoric: The End of Morality in Society (?)
ref  6131816

     In my initial attempt to respond to Deepvoice's post point-by-point, the
basic thrust of my reaction seems to have gotten overlooked.  I'll try to
restate it, nice and clearly:

     Deepvoice's post combines elements of two different kinds of political
essay.  (This is probbably a mistake, in itself.)  I believe it fails at both.
     On the first hand, there is the traditional essay form, where a conclusion
is supported by connected arguments from several assumptions or principles.
Any reader who shares those principles should be led, by the logic of the
argument, to reach the same conclusion.  Deepvoice enumerated a few principles
and assumptions, but I feel that this enumeration was seriously incomplete.
The logical argument that would lead from them to the conclusion was, IMHO,
hardly visible and in no way compelling.  I believe that if he invests the
effort to more fully enumerate his assumptions and principles, and to provide
a logically-connected argument, then he will either have some chance of
persuading others to share his conclusion or (more likely, IMHO) find that he
must modify his conclusion.
     A second type of essay, specifically political, is visible here.  This
sort proceeds from a theory of politics and an ideal, and describes where we
are now and how we may more nearly approach the ideal in terms of that theory.
Nowhere in Deepvoice's post do I find any statement of an ideal, except what
I can perhaps infer from his stated principles.  Randolph Fritz has pointed
out that Deepvoice's theory, as presented, completely fails to account (or
even ALLOW) for major phenomena of the last decade.  As such, his prescription
("what should we do") must, at best, be utterly premature.  An agenda can only
really be taken seriously if one demonstrates a reasonable understanding of
(a) where we are, and (b) where you think we should be going, and I don't think
Deepvoice has yet demonstrated that.

     None of this should be taken as personally insulting to Deepvoice.  By
even attempting to put forward an analysis and an agenda, he has demonstrated
more political consciousness than 90% of his peers.  But I do think that he
has a way to go yet before he is ready to try and sell his ideas to others,
and I hope that some of my comments may help him go that distance.

--
"When solutions are offered us by the people who | Mentor the Sage
 originally brought us the problem, we do well   | dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com
 be suspicious."  -- Robin Morgan                |
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Scorpio's (was Re: Mundanity)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:00:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr7.030034.14720
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <vad276g.702228747@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> vad276g@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara) writes:


>   The brumby doesn't really beleive in astrology or any of it's related
>stuff but it makes a useful way of looking at someone from a different
>angle.

>Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy) writes:

>>--E_McCoy@unhh.unh.edu aka T'Kee the Grudge-holding Cat-Centaur (Did I
>>mention that I'm a Guy Faulks <sp?> baby? Nov. 5th. That also makes me a
>>Scorpio, which is supposed to make me vindictive... Gee...) 

>   "Well, every Scorpio I know well, including myself, has a decided sting
>when provoked."


kitten says, "well, scorpios are supposed to be the most passionate
sign  of the zodiac (after pisces of course, since we have all the
BEST qualities of all eleven of the rest of the signs....:)....)

is this true?"


--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 

"kittens today are not properly trained--the way that they were when
victoria reigned." asparagus (gus: the theatre cat)
From: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Epistemological Question
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:57:37 GMT
Reply-To: dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
X-Unparsable-Date: 8 Apr 92 20:02:29 UT


-----------Message forwarded from IPSA Mailbox-------------
no. 6134868 filed 19.59.32  wed  8 apr 1992
from dgil
to   locun
subj Epistemological Question
ref  6133621

     I'm trying to put a few thoughts in order, and encountering a difficulty
where concepts that seem obvious and intuitive are resisting formulation as
clear epistemological distinctions.  I'm hoping that Ray can suggest a way
around the difficulty, but copying the group since some of you others may have
valuable insights as well.

     My question is this:  I am given a piece of hearsay evidence about an
event.  How do I distinguish between History (a record, of indeterminate
accuracy, of a 'real' (we're talking epistemology, so those quotes stay for
now!) event), and Fiction (an account, of indeterminate accuracy, of an event
which was conceived but never enacted)?

     I'm pretty certain that I/we *do* distinguish between these.  I'm looking
for some epistemological *basis* for that distinction.

--
"When solutions are offered us by the people who | Mentor the Sage
 originally brought us the problem, we do well   | dgil@ipsaint.ipsa.reuter.com
 be suspicious."  -- Robin Morgan                |
From: ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Bear's story (or Can't Children be Cruel)
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:07:16 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>So how about a big group hug
Great, I would love that.  Who else is in

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"Mankind's primary responsibility consists of saying 'Go to Hell!' to
whomever they feel like and whenever they feel like."
Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender aka (ml5a@andrew.cmu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: tjlee@iastate.edu (The Lamplighter)
Subject: Re: Becoming a murderer
Originator: tjlee@pv742a.vincent.iastate.edu
Organization: Seven Wishes Lamp Co.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:02:31 GMT

Bob English writes:

>...

>He raises his glass above his head.  "To those who feel their right to
>kill outweighs the right of others to live without killing, and whose
>thirst for blood makes murderers of us all, may your thirst be quickly
>sated.  It is not only criminals who suffer when you kill, but all those
>in whose name you act."

>He drains his glass in one draught, then fires it into the flames and
>walks slowly to his seat.

	The Lamplighter claps at this, too, saying, "Yes!  Since when
has killing the murderer helped anybody?  More senseless death."

	"Did you vote against the people who are doing this in any way,
Bob?  If so, you can feel a bit less responsible for it ..."

	He steps off the soapbox and puts it back in the pile.

-----------------------<| "The embroidery of your life holds you in and keeps
  <=|- Tom Lee -|=>   -<| you out, but you survive,
  tjlee@iastate.edu   -<|  Imprisoned in your bones behind the isinglass
-----------------------<| windows of your eyes." -- sung by Judy Collins

Disclaimer:  Why the heck would my university want me for a spokesman?
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Galadin (Craig Linderoth))
Subject: Dance Didi?
Reply-To: lindercs@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:35:56 GMT

	Galadin is sitting in the meadow accompanying Nicki on his keyboard and
enjoying bits of Jambalaya.  He is relaxed and watching the antics of the
elf/dolphin, that big beast of a dragon over by The Grey Lady, and the soft
movements of Didi, (Lady Rande?) and Lord Galdrin (kinda like that name  :).
	Galadin's eyes start to close and he seems to start having a vision. 
He is in this grand field with all of his new friends.  (Won't try to name them
all, but you know who you are.)  They are sitting around and talking about
loves, morality, science fiction, and utopia's.  Then soft music starts to fall
from the sky, (This is a dream so music can fall).  The people in the meadow
start pairing off and the day turns into a starry night.  The moonlight is
bright and shines splendidly upon the meadow.  The couples have lost shape and
have now become gentle floating wisps of laughter.  Galadin is sitting back and
watching all of this transpire when one of the wisps detaches itself. 
Didi-sprite is standing in front of Galadin and listing the people she wants to
dance with.  
	At this point, Galadin wakes up as he recognizes his name.  He kinda
likes the title of Lord that Didi gave him too, but alas, he does not feel to
lordly.  Looking around, Galadin quickly sights Didi.  He stands up, and waves
his staff again.  His cloak has been changed into a charcoal gray tuxedo with a
vest and dark blue bowtie.  His staff has also now shortened into a dark blue
cane.  Galadin then strides over towards Nicki and whispers in her ear, "A soft
waltz if you please."
	The music then changes into a soft waltz that fills the clearing with
feelings of peace and happiness.  Galadin walks over to Didi and looking down
at her begins to speak in his most gentlemanly voice, "Would this fine sprite
be so kind as to accompany me out onto the dance floor for this waltz?"
	Galadin then looks at Didi waiting patiently but with trepidation for
the answer.



******************************************************************************
*Craig Linderoth                * Reality is for People who Lack Imagination.*
*Lindercs@Rosevc.rose-hulman.edu*   The Callahanian Protector of People from *
*ChemEng, Rose-Hulman           *    Outrageous Pun Throwers    SPLAT :)     *
******************************************************************************           
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Re: Huh? [Re: Dr. Asimov]
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:39:26 GMT

>StM answers, "OK, this argument makes sense, given the assumptions.  But what
>rules out something like the following:  Matter throughout the quasar is
>excited via processes distributed throughout the quasar, creating a population
>inversion.  Some object on the far side of the quasar produces a signal which
>triggers relaxation of the excited matter to a lower state (much the same sort
>of thing that happens in a laser).  Because the wave front of the relaxation is
>spherical rather than planar (as it is in a laser), the resulting emissions
>aren't coherent, and we don't see a sharp fluctuation in intensity.  I realize
>that such a scenario is unlikely;  on the other hand, so is the energy density
>of a quasar using the current estimates of the size of quasars.  So why is my
>proposed scenario less likely than the high energy density?  I suppose it was
>Asimov's failure to address questions such as this to which I was objecting."

"Now this," says Danger Mouse, "sounds as though it could explain the rapid
intensity variations of quasars. I take it that your postulated stimulus
propagates through the quasar close to the speed of light (or at it) and
so 'catches up' to the induced emissions, producing rapid variations from
something very large. This is quite reasonable, until you discover that for
this mechanism to work, the stimulus must be directed towards us, along the
line of sight (or in a very small angle close to this line). Most of the
time, the stimulus would travel in a different direction, and the same
smearing out of the fluctuations as I described with my trombone analogy
would occur. But this is not what we observe - _most_ quasars vary their
optical output on the same sort of timescales. Therefore, either the
majority of quasars are 'pointing' directly at us, as opposed to random
positions in the universe, or your proposed mechanism is incorrect.
Now there is nothing special about us that might cause such a pointing, so
we are left with the conclusion that we can still use these arguments to
infer a maximum size."

- Danger Mouse.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Alfvaen)
Subject: Re: most passionate of the Signs ???
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:24:17 GMT

Stephen McNamara writes
> 
>    "If there were a video screen on my head I'd have been arrested years
> ago...."
>    "Actually, I've been told that Cancerians are mostly noted for being
> acquisitive. Not as in grasping or greedy but just in that they tend to
> keep a lot of things around themselves. 

Alfvaen takes a small peek into his RL apartment(through a handy X-window  
that somehow found itself in the middle of the meadow)...In the living  
room, nine tapecases and a dresser drawer holding over 600 tapes...In the  
computer room, six bookshelves holding over 1300 books...On his hard  
drive, 30 megabytes of stuff he never uses but never gets around to  
deleting...On the floor and in boxes, all sorts of papers he hasn't looked  
at in years, and certainly not since he moved in, but won't throw out in  
case he wants to refer to them again...

He grins.  "I never could understand how some people can pack up all their  
belongings in one suitcase...I put the lie to all those cliches about the  
wife always taking more luggage than the husband.  My wife is always  
boggled at how much luggage I bring with me on trips...well, I have to!  I  
have to bring enough tapes to last me, and my tape deck, and enough books  
to last me in case I spend the whole trip reading(which she never lets me  
do), plus enough clothes for three days more than we're planning to stay,  
just in case of emergency..."

> -- 
>      The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
>       the Silicon Plains
> 
>       The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.

--

---Alfvaen(a.k.a. Aaron V. Humphrey)
Canadian Network For Space Research, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
If you stand on your head, you will get footprints in your hair.
Current Album--Heart:Brigade
 "Don't leave me like this--don't leave me stranded."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Dr. Asimov
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:19:30 GMT

In article <EdstCrC00Vp=MC9UQZ@andrew.cmu.edu> ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Beirne Lively) writes:
>>1)  A science fiction fan (we should have no trouble with this);
>>2)  A chemist;
>>3)  An historian;
>>4)  An English Lit type;
>>5)  A biblical scholar
>>6)  Several generalists (I can help out here, but can't hope to match

For the good doctor, I'll gladly volunteer to be your English Lit type...and 
a generalist, and a sf fan, of course.

 - Kateri



-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: milar@seq.uncwil.edu (Panther)
Subject: Re: RHPS
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:11:55 GMT

seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:

>	The Wasp raises an eyebrow and shakes his head. 
>	"I have NEVER understood that Rocky Horror phenomenon. Tons of
>friends and aquaintances, seemingly rational under other circumstances,
>induge in this pastime. I find some of the songs mildly entertaining ("I'm
>just a sweet transvestite from Trrrransexual Trrransylvaniaaaa Ha Ha"),
>but the "experience" is akin to being in a food fight with a roomful of
>five year olds. And the movie, though tolerable when NOT in a theatre
>surrounded by bizarrely behaving fanatics, isn't as good as my favorite
>'cult' film, Big Trouble in Little China. But you know what Jack Burton
>always says..."

>				Sea Wasp


Panther smiles. "It's all in the reflexes."  She grins at Sea Wasp.
"That's one of my favorites, too...by the way, I _don't_ get into 
costume when I go to Rocky Horror; I enjoy the movie, the fun that 
surrounds it, and the crowds that go there. I don't think I'd enjoy 
going in costume...I tend to be a bit self-conscious..."

"You were not put upon this earth to 'get it', Mr. Burton..."




PANTHER

Merry Meet!
From: JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET (JIM PIERCE)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: re: Poems by Kateri and Alric
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:37:00 GMT


 "Kateri and Alric, your poems send shivers up and down my
spine. Now if the politicians of all groups would just realize
what they ask of us. Even the ones who are veterans of combat.
I doubt if they will, but we can all hope. Well, enough sadness.
 Why don't both of you come out into the meadow where the sun is
shining, the swans are swimming, we are picnicing, the air is
fresh and clean, and all is calm..." NickD.


* <JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET> Jim Pierce; Bach. Sci. in Applied Computer Science
* USM Academic Computing on the Gulf Park Campus. Disclaimer: Standard.
* "Women are People, *not* property." me