From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Face it...  We depend on white people...
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:18:58 GMT

In article <BBH2VB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
         
LEGEND:
	> PHIL STROMER
       >> DENNIS ROBINSON
 No prefix  De Vaughn Elledge
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>You forgot to capitalize "America."  Are you saying that blacks are inferior
>and can NOT build, produce, and innovate?  I find this passage to be highly
>offensive, and I'm not even black.
       
        This is the first time that I can actually say I agree with Phil
Stromer. I also find this passage both stupid and Offensive and I'm BLAK.
 (I perfer this spelling thou, Phil)

        This is why I find this portion of the article STUPID.
My great grandparents on both sides OWNED THEIR ON FARMS and both PROVIDED
for thier own familes as well as SOLD of the excess. They Built their farms
from the ground up and had to continually do maintainace on their structures
as well as animal pens and other things that are a necessity on a farm. 
I do believe that makes them business people, Producing a product for sale
on a market.

      Two Generations later, My parents OWN rental property. They went to 
work and saved and carefully planned and guess what. They don't have to depend
on no one for shelter but people can come to them for it. 

      Not saying that my family is the only Black Family on the planet that did
something, but I'm saying if they did it I'm damn sure other have done it and
probably did it much better.

      How can you say we depend on White People for clothes, when people of
all colors and can sew. There are Blak owned and operated clothing stores
which furnish clothing produced by Blak Designers abroad. If you think I just
blowing hot air, Try Nadia's Boutique in Detroit MI, You can get the number
from information just dail 1-313-555-1212, information is free just like this
tip from your uncle Larry. :)

     Since there are also Blak owned Business abroad. As well as Blak colleges  as well as Blak Mayors, Doctors, Lawyers, as well as COMMON FUCKING SENCE.

    Hell my Mayor, eye Doctor, Tax adjuster, and Lawyer are just as Blak as
I am. And they all have their own practices.

     IF you were dependant on EDUCATION it would be easy to not know who
discovered PLASMA and who took electricity and made the TRAFFIC LIGHT. You
know the one that should have flashed red before you typed send. Dennis
you should know your black history as well as HIS-Story. Because in HIS-story
they tell you about Hanable(sp?) but they don't actually come out and make the
distinction that he was BLACK. Just like they don't tell you Cleopatra was BLACK
Just like they DON'T tell you that the MOORS were black, and they had beautifull
structures built. You can catch a few of these structure on Life Styles of the
rich and famous when the start talking about stuff in Spain and other parts
of that region.

    I bet you never knew that the MILITARY still uses the stratagies of CHAKA
, KING of the ZULUS. And I not even going to bring up the Bible's description
of Jesus. 

But getting back to the point, Dennis. You can not say, that we as a People are
totally dependant on another People. There is no evidence to support your ass-
umption that we depend on them for everything. An educated person has the 
ablity to do two things. Go in business for himself or work for an organization
that needs his expertice. Now in that time, he can incourage others to do the same or sit back cry foul making no example at all. .

>>And if we do become one nation if we ever ever do, when will the 
>>man play a square game...A fair game...When there is a black owner 
>>of this business and a white one of this one and a yellow one of 
>>this one, 
>        
 (Letting loose the flame thrower for a second)

Dennis, I agree that the game is not fair. I want the day where people can be   educated, hired, judged, and etc, on the basis of ones skills and individual
motivation and not by Race, Gender, Creed, and etc. 

There is a lot of Shit in the game due to fear. Unfortunately one of the biggestfears is an educated minority. Because we can see the world for what it really
is, we can sit down and with a Lot of reading and Common since teach the truth
of our Blak people to OUR CHILDREN, and not this BULLSHIT I GREW UP LEARNING
IN HISTORY. The would know there's alot more to us than just slavery and
equal rights. They would know the Kings, Queens, Pharoahs and the Roles they played
in History througout man's existance on this planet. They would in turn make
a difference in their life and be inspired to make difference in world. Fear
of Change is why we have problems to this day..

 
>Probably when people stop whining about the past and look to the future.       
        
    Phil, one important fact of life. No matter where you go in life, you
can never forget where you came from. Its fine to whine about the past, just
as long as you make a better future. 
 
>I want to play a fair game.  But a game that gives preferential treatment      
>to you, due to nothing more than skin color, is not my idea of a fair
>game.  The idea that Diana Ross's child should have some sort of advantage
>over my child is ludicrous.
>
 Seems like you are mirroring what we AA's have been feeling for hundreds of
years.

>--Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)
>>--Dennis Robinson (djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)

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