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From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:28:05 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep15.143046.12702@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:

>Most folks, once they find out about the internet, are like "wow, this
>is great!  It's better than X" for X=prodigy, compuserve, etc.

This was my exact reaction and this has been the reaction of everyone
I've showed internet. Who ever thought that "geeks" would have groups
like alt.sex.bondage and post pictures that could only be obtained in
the best of the hardcore porn shops. They are also impressed by the
free long distance and endless stuff to download. Then they wonder why
they are paying for compuserve.

Hook that USWest thing to the net. If systems like CARL can be on
there why can't the phone book?

Eric
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From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:18:53 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

This kina sounds like the stupidity you see at many offices. They will
pay huge bucks for these "word processing networks". Brand names
nobody's heard of, not compatible with anything and the main program
runs on an IBM PC with someone elses name slapped on there. Try
WordStar or WordImperfect with a server.

As far as USWest's plans go, I'm sure they hired some idiot consultant
that has no REAL experience with _how_ people use computers. What they
should do is hire Andrew Burt and pay him a nice fat consulting fee to
show them how to set up their system and link it in with various
networks. Hmm..Wouldn't AT&T actually be a better company to work with
on a project like this?

Eric
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Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general
From: hilary@netwise.com (Hilary Lane)
Subject: Thanks for Deck Contractors and Now Need Firewood Delivery
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:04:01 GMT

Thanks to all who replied to my quest for a deck contractor. I got several
good leads and am persuing many of them. 

But now I have another favor to ask - who can deliver good pine and oak/elm
for a good price per cord? The guy who has delivered ours in the past quit
the business and recommended DJs in Louisville, but DJ hasn't called us
back after we've left several messages. So, we're looking again...

Anyway, we'd like to pay around $100 or less per cord, if that's possible,
and less than $130 a cord for hardwood. These are the prices we've been
given in the past. Who've you used and were those people reliable?

As usual, thanks. Please send email to the address below.


-- 
Hilary Lane
Netwise, Inc., Boulder, Colorado
hilary@netwise.com
Newsgroups: co.general
From: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Info requested: Road Kill Cafe / Crestone / Addr-phone
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Road Kill Cafe  Crestone CO  address/phone
Reply-To: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:19:49 GMT


Need the address and/or phone number of the Road Kill Cafe in
Crestone, please.  Any information appreciated.  Thanks much.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: New politcal ads
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:34:21 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

Well, everyone really seems to be into politics on this group, but did
any of you see that guys (Neil ????) anti abortion ad this morning?
Shows a bunch of aborted fetuses..Ruined my breakfast. They even have
a warning that young children shouldn't view the ad. I thought it was
just a joke until I saw it.

Eric
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: gpsmith@bohemia.metronet.org (Greg Smith)
Subject: Phone # for CARL system
Keywords: CARL
Organization: Bohemia BBS System
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:03:10 GMT


Does anyone know the phone number for the CARL (library catalogs, on-line
encyclopedias, etc..) system for the Denver metro area for 2400 baud and up?

Thanks,
Greg
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*** If Shakespeare had used "vi" we'd have no plays. ***
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:16:50 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep14.192112.14389@linus.mitre.org> cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch) writes:
>Still, .15/minute is a LONG way from free.  And I'm guessing that there is
>some minimum assessed for each query -- or rounding up to the next minute.
>
Of course. How else would you do it. Go by the microsecond?

>If "limitations and restrictions" REQUIRE that there be some charge, why not
>make it negligible, say .01/minute.
>
It's not that regulations 'require' us to raise a charge. Regulations
prevent us from distributing this thing on our own, since babyBells
are not allowed to be information providers over certain boundaries
(roughly like area-code boundaries). So we have to contract someone
to do this for us (legal mumbo jumbo.. I don't know exactly what goes
round, but this is the jist of it), and THEY'RE charging the .15.
-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: K38DF-TV
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:43:47 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

Does anyone know Channel 38's phone number. I never particularly cared
for the Catholic programming, but now that they have Channel America
I'm watching them more (ie: Wally George). 

Problem is that they don't seem to have any set schedule. One day they
will have Channel America at 8pm and the next it isn't on until
midnight. Since TV Guide doesn't give any listings want to find out
what's going on over at the programming department.

Thanx,

Eric
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Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general,rec.bicycles.soc
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Alternative modes project in Boulder County
Followup-To: sender
Keywords: alternative modes, project, explosive participation, anarchy
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:19:22 GMT

I have started a project that will create an explosion in participation in the
use of alternate modes of transportation in Boulder County. The project will
have a grassroots flavor. I have some general ideas and request a meeting with
10-20 committed people in a downtown Boulder location to launch the project.

The meeting will be on Wednesday, September 15, from 8pm to 10pm at a
restaurant on the Pearl Street mall.

If you're going to attend the meeting, send me email or leave me a message at
939-8157. Leave a telephone number in your message; I'll figure out the exact
location and confirm the meeting with a return phone call.

If you're interested but can't attend the meeting, hold tight. We'll be
rolling out the project over the next couple of weeks; announcements will
be made here.

--phil
pae@blackcat.stortek.com
(303) 939-8157
Newsgroups: co.general
From: norabr@auto-trol.com (Norm Abramowitz)
Subject: REQUESTING INFO ABOUT LOUISVILLE (near BOULDER)
Followup-To: norabr@auto-trol.com
Summary: Considering move to Louisville, want info
Originator: norabr@norabr
Keywords: Louisville, environment
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:43:09 GMT

Here I am again:

In considering a possible move to Louisville (located between
Boulder and Denver), I was hoping for some information on 
Louisville as a place to live.

If anyone has any information on Louisville in the following
areas, I would surely appreciate you passing it along to me:

1) WATER SUPPLY - where does it come from, any possible sources
			of contamination, high levels of 
			anything, possible shortages, etc.

2) SCHOOL SYSTEM (particularly the elementary schools) - 
		any overcrowding, do many children need to be
		bussed to thier schools, teacher-child ratios, etc.

3) ROCKY FLATS - ** ANY ** influence on the city of Louisville at all!

4) AIR QUALITY - how good/bad is it (relative to Denver and Boulder)?

5) REAL ESTATE - what are the prospects for the prices of homes? Are
			they rising/falling/steady?

6) SHOPPING - what are they major stores (food, variety, etc)?

7) ENTERTAINMENT - what facilities are available for adults? for
			children? Parks? Pools? Movies? Clubs?

8) CHILDREN - are some areas better than others to raise kids? 
			If yes, which ones and why?

Thanks again,
Norm  (norabr@auto-trol.com)
-- 
Uncle Normie
(norbar@auto-trol.com)
Newsgroups: co.general
From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer)
Subject: Computer misc for sale
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 16:23:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

386SX-16Mhz motherboard with 4 MB RAM          $225 obo
30 MB HD with controller                       $ 80 obo
Trident TVGA 8900 graphics card                $ 40 obo


phone:  mark  491 8667 (day)
              493 4644 (weekends/evenings)

or reply to kelley@kiwi.atmos.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: co.general
From: sylvan@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (Sylvan Ruud)
Subject: Home for sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:39 GMT


I am posting this for a friend, please respond to the phone numbers below.

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-----------------------
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$95,000         Call Lon Miller
		(303)221-5995
		(303)493-8047
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:52:39 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <1992Sep11.180537.13946@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kberlin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimon Berlin) writes:

>Minitel terminals are free in France, so is access to the online phone
>directory. Commercial services are about 1 FF/minute ($.20/min).

>The screen is 24x40, with "semi-graphic" characters - uuuugly. Transmission
>is an asymetric 1200/75 baud.
>Some Minitel terminals support 80x24 but there's no way around the internal
>modem. France Telecom plans a second generation "high-performance" terminal
>working at a blazing 4800 bps. Wheee.

Jan, are you listening?  

Kimon, could you give us more details?  How do people feel about it in
France:  How do the technical people feel, who know the maximum potential?
And how to the common folks feel?  Also, are the common folks as likely
as US folks to have, e.g., a 386 with ms-windows on it?  (Last I heard,
about 1/3 of households had computers, and I'm sure a high percentage of
them have at least seen something like ms-windows; of the 2/3 that don't
have computers, many use them at work or have at least seen ms-windows.
I'm no fan of windows, but I'd take that any day over videotex!)
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
Newsgroups: co.general,misc.forsale
From: blm@teal.csn.org (Brian L Moore)
Subject: IBM RS/6000 Glockenspiel C++ compiler for sale
Keywords: C++, compiler, sale
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:09:17 GMT

I have a license for the Glockenspiel C++ compiler for the RS/6000 model 320 
that I would like to sell.

The compiler version number is 2.0b2, and requires AIX 3.2.  If you need 
additional details about the software, please contact me at the address or
phone below.

As far as price as concerned, make me an offer.

-Brian

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Brian Moore, Systems Coordinator
Green Mountain Geophysics, Inc.         e-mail: brian@gmg.com or blm@csn.org
1800 38th Street, Suite 100             phone:  (303) 444-6925
Boulder, CO  80301                      fax:    (303) 444-8632
From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:31:18 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep14.170938.16654@mercury.cair.du.edu> jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:
>Regarding Blanche's Article:
>It may be that the corporate people encourage that the public don't see the
>differences, but nonetheless, they are there. I *KNOW* that we don't see
>any of the profit from COMM.
>
>As for your references, so what?
>Stamford MIT and CMU make DU look pitiful and again so what?
>I still go to DU and I still work for US WEST.
>
>
>Great ... now I got two (out of three) of my teachers for the quarter 
>up in arms against me before the quarter even started. Wonder if I can
>get my psych teacher on too...
>
If you truly believe that Andrew and I can't be objective in this discussion,
then you are missing the point. I don't know abut Andrew, but no, you don't have
me up in arms against you. I do argue the issue about the schools, tho. Major
corporations have well-defined long-range (strategic) marketing plans. Schools
are just now realizing they need to do it also. 

My argument is that the corporation as an entity is just that - a single entity
no matter what you or any other employee knows, thinks, believes or wishes. 
And no, you don't see the profit from COMM. On the other hand, the shareholders
do see the profit and loss from all the groups. The very creation of the concept
of corporation is based on personal liability (to avoid it!) and to play games
with the tax laws.

Tell you what - want to trade all the homework and exams in my class for a 
definitive explanation of the interlocking/interworking pieces of USWest? (Watch
the Chancellor, the Dean and the Dept Chair come after me on this one!) Or,
how about an independent study on the same, if you need the hours. Most of us
are rather intelligent and willing to be educated. We could put it into DU's
ftp area for everyone to read. Sort of a high-level FAQ!

Blanche
Newsgroups: co.general,co.ads
From: haines@CS.ColoState.EDU (Matt Haines)
Subject: For Sale: 88 Honda Civic CRX-SI
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:45:23 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

FOR SALE
--------

	1988 Honda Civic CRX-SI, *Black*
	54K Miles
	New Tires
	Snow Tires (studded)
	All the extras (AC, Sunroof, Stereo, Nose cover)
	Mint condition inside and out!

	$7200

Contact Matt at 225-9849
-- 
Matt Haines                 | <haines@cs.colostate.edu>
Computer Science Department |
Colorado State University   | "Why waste time learning when ignorance is
Fort Collins, CO  80523     |  instantaneous"                   - Hobbes
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From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: co.general,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Space Shuttle over Denver
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:27:10 GMT
Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle
Distribution: co
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.


Space Shuttle Endeavor was launched at the beginning of its window, so
the circumstances for its visibility for Denver are poor. Look for it
in the southwest moving from right to left tonight, Saturday, Sept. 12th
at 7:28pm MDT. It will be just 11-degrees above the horizon.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:36:01 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep12.145239.13719@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:
>>is an asymetric 1200/75 baud.
>>Some Minitel terminals support 80x24 but there's no way around the internal
>>modem. France Telecom plans a second generation "high-performance" terminal
>>working at a blazing 4800 bps. Wheee.
>
>Jan, are you listening?  
>
I'm listening, and I knew this all before. Think about it. If you try and
make something cheaper, you cut it back. In the case of modems,
who can type faster then 75 baud anyway. Receiveing at 1200, sending at 75.
Makes sense (at the time).
As for the 4800 I hadn't heard of that.

>Kimon, could you give us more details?  How do people feel about it in
>France:  How do the technical people feel, who know the maximum potential?
>And how to the common folks feel?  Also, are the common folks as likely
>as US folks to have, e.g., a 386 with ms-windows on it?  (Last I heard,
>about 1/3 of households had computers, and I'm sure a high percentage of
>them have at least seen something like ms-windows; of the 2/3 that don't
>have computers, many use them at work or have at least seen ms-windows.
>I'm no fan of windows, but I'd take that any day over videotex!)
>
As for the public: anywhere you see a 1-800 number in the US you would see a
videotex access code in france (signs on the side of the road, ads on TV..).

As for computers, the figures you quoted are higher than the ones I had heard.
And that also leaves the question what do they do with it.
Besides it is unfair to compare windows or mac or X to videotex. It
wasn't designed to be an operating system. You can run a videotex
emulator on ANY of them, without noticing anything bad. There are
emulators free of charge out there for Mac and PC (I have them both),
and maybe you want to program one for X?

I reiterate: People on the net (andrew in particular) are too narrowly focused
on the net. They have learned to live with it. Most people don't.
Most people don't and don't have the high expectations as we do (see Prodigy).

I would like to see the net and netnews and email more widespread than
it is, and I think Andrew is doing a fabulous job bringing it
to people via nyx (and I wish you the best for the future.. I like
your dream), but that doesn't mean everything else has to live by
such high standards as imposed by us net-people.

-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:34:59 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep12.023911.29729@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
>Well, if US West (insert favorite entity here) can't get a press release
>out with all of the facts straight, then _they_ are the ones at fault.

Speaking of getting facts straight.. weren't *you* the one who equated
US WEST with _government_? I'm not sure I understood correctly,
but I think you also said we were wasting your money. Point A) We are not
a gvernment agency. Point B) We are not wasting your money, since THAT
goes to US WEST COMM, and, as I said, they had nothing to do with this.

>I read the story in the RMN and I also heard two different stories about
>it on local television.  They all said pretty much the same thing.
And we all know how well the media covers computer related issues. All of
a sudden you trust them?

>And don't take the term 'pinhead' so personal, unless you somehow had a
>hand in this joke.  Some of my best friends work for the phone co.  :-)
>
And You still didn't get it. The Phone company is PART od US WEST. The division
that came up with this scam (as you like to call it), is NOT the phone Company.
It was actually US WEST direct/MRG, which is NOT COMM.
And no, I didn't personally help design or program this. But I did help
the guys out with computer related problems and my boss was involved. I 
know most of the people involved. A lot of them are not very computer literate,
but those are not the people making the decision OR programming.
THOSE are literate and know what they are doing.

-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:10:58 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep11.230902.13800@mercury.cair.du.edu> jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:

>I say to you what I said to Eric: get informed before spewing out
>a bunch of garbage on the net. You have no clue. After all, what have you
>read about either the product (Electronic Directory) OR US WEST?
>What do you know about the internal organization of US WEST? What
>do you know of the limitations put on the Baby Bells by lunkheads
>in Congress and courts? Go read up, and come back. Now go play.

All I know are the facts that were posted. And I can say right now
that I PERSONALLY (that's personally folks) think that a system that
can't accommodate a simple vt or tvi terminal is going to be a dud. 

As far as the consultant thing, I apologize to the net for my
uniformed comments, but it sounds all too typical of the computer
"expert" consultant coming in and telling the executives about all
this special equipment they need and a special program they will write
to make it easy to use. I could be wrong, but couldn't practically any
minicomputer with a decent CPU run a phone number database...and one
that could be set up in a couple of days??

And Jan...yes, I would use your system for $.15 a minute...assuming
that I don't have to wade through 5 menus (or be forced to read 10
pages of directions) to type in the search key.

Eric
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