From: blamb@sparc1.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Immigration procedures
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:36:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: bigbird.6262
Reply-To: blamb@sparc1.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <1992Apr9.150538.7485@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike
Fester) writes:
> In article <6238@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@sparc1.hri.com (Bill
Lambert) writes:
=> >In article <1992Apr6.190517.4448@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike
=> >Fester) writes:
=> >> In article <6182@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@sparc1.hri.com (Bill
=> >Lambert) writes:
=> >> >
=> >> >I have to admit that I probably didn't have much of an opinion
=> >> >about this subject until I witnessed my True Love crying while
=> >> >being fingerprinted by the Boston version of the INS. We
=> >> >were treated rudely, as idoits, who were somehow inconveniencing
=> >> 
=> >> I don't believe INS has a monopoly on bureaucratic morons, as a visit to
=> >> most DMVs will show.
=> 
=> >Sorry, but it's really neither here nor here. I wasn't talking about
=> >getting a driver's license. I was talking about the much larger issue
=> 
=> Neither was I, as should have been clear.
=> 
=> >> >to marry a US citizen' check box." This, to me, was just terrorism
=> >> >on his part, or at best, a gratuitous display of bureaucratic pee-pee
=> >> >pulling.)
=> 
=> >> Not quite.....
=> 
=> >Huh?.... beg your pardon? Listen sport, I was there, not you. I've seen
=> >enough gratuitous pee-pee pulling and bureaucratic terrorism in my
=> >lifetime to last me a lifetime. I can see it when I know it.
=> 				 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?
=> And as you point out, you were already married, could have obtained ALL 
=> documentation in Japan before you left and saved yourself quite a hassle.

(And so it goes.... If I choose to answer this post, by answering arguments
or comments that bear no relation to what I wrote - called the facts - this
will tend to digress even further from the point than it already has. Hmmm....
this looks like some kind of Deja Vu. "We have all been here before.")

(What shall I do?)

Michael, I will not be your "Space Invader" today. Sorry, but I can't
have a meaningful discussion with those without empathy. Empathy is the
valve that allows information to pass in any discussion. Discussions
are for the multi-way passage of information. They're not fencing
matches for the parrying of another's ideas with the sword of mis-
applied or invented assumptions, or the feints of digression. I
don't appreciate that kind of interaction and I try to avoid it
whenever possible. Shall we try?

My original post was an attempt (in your case, maybe vain attempt) to
point out the unfairness and unprofessionalism of the bureaucracies
that handle immigration procedures by anecdotal evidence of my
own personal experiences. Your willingness to discount and belittle
my own personal experiences for reasons unbeknownst is where the empathy
problem comes in. I am sorry to say that so directly.

It's fine to say, "If you did datada you wouldn't have any problem."
But you missed the point. The point is that I, and others, will not
always do datada, and because of that, we will be needlessly, rudely,
and pointlessly hassled. And the point is also that, even if we did do
datada, we have a pretty good chance of being needlessly, rudely, and
pointlessly hassled anyway. And the larger point is also, why on earth do
we have to do datada anyway? I guess the last point is the main.

So let's just say you're cool and did everything right, and I'm not
cool, and did everything wrong, and leave it at that.

Or could we say that you were just a little lucky.... this time.

Bill
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