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From: gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan)
Subject: Breeders
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:46:46 GMT

Can someone recommend a breeder (specifically for Greys and/or Amazons)
in the DC-VA-MD area??  Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Tim

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From: damon@phoenix (Damon Antos)
Subject: Re: Birdie Toenails!
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 13:03:38 GMT

Way back when, I let Tony's (green-winged macaw) nails get too long.  Since
then it has been a never-ending battle to get them shortened up.  I try to
clip them every 2 weeks about 1/8" so that they don't bleed.  (Actually ends
up being 3-4 weeks).

I think the trick is to start clipping their nails when they are young.  Same
goes for everything else--try lots of different things early on so they don't
get too accustomed to one thing i.e. different foods, places, etc.  Tony
doesn't seem to mind getting his nails clipped.  He stands there while I grab
his foot and clip away.  I feel like a cosmetologist as I clip, and then
file.  Sometimes he plays with the shiny metal nail file as I work.

Tony has had one of those cement perches for six months or so, which seems
to keep the tips blunt, but it is not enough to keep them short.

..damon

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From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Should I Eat My Budgie ?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: earth
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:35:43 GMT


THAT'S SICK!
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From: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin Newlund)
Subject: Re: Sick Budgie
Reply-To: rnewlund@vitalink.com (Robin Newlund)
Organization: Vitalink Communications
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:29:53 GMT

Take your bird to a vet, NOW. In my experience, home remedies aren't going to 
cut the mustard, if you are new at birds. When they appear sick, they are very
sick, don't waste time guessing what is wrong, take him to a vet.

Robin Newlund
rnewlund@vitalink.com
From: minehart@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Stuff for toys - cork/balsa
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:17:39 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I have a question about the ideas for balsa wood & cork for birds.  Wouldn't
these be sort of like soft plastic toys in that the birds might swallow bits of
them and get clogged up?  I'd like to see some other opinions on this.  

Jill
From: lecampbell@OCTAVO
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: cockatiel glut
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: lecampbell@OCTAVO
Distribution: ca

I'm looking for a male pearl, but without cinnamon cross.  Tiel, that is.
From: stx@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Meyer's Parrot and traveling in a car
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:47:44 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

I just become the partial owner of an African Meyer parrot and have a couple of
questions.

First does anyone have any information on this type of parrot?  I couldn't find
any literature about it in any of the bookstores or the pet stores.  ANy
information at all.  Personal experiances, stories greatly welcomed.

2nd  How well does a bird travel?  My girlfriend and I spend a lot of time in
the car travelling from state to state  (well not a LOT of time a weekend every
month or two)  

The bird is 11 weeks old and is hand-fed and addorable liking to be around us
all the time to preen and cuddle and to tear our attention away from the tv.

So whats the scoop you experianced bird owners from netland??

Thanks for your replies in advance.  Reply to the net or personnaly as you see
fit.

Kevin

stx@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
From: russell@cme.nist.gov (Bob Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Breeders for sale
Keywords: African Greys, cockatiels, proven
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:01:15 GMT
Reply-To: russell@cme.nist.gov (Bob Russell)
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology




Breeding Pairs for sale:

Timneh African Greys.  Proven Breeders.  Cage, nest box, toys, accessories.

Three pairs of cockatiels:
One pair cinnamon and two pairs lutino.

Stackable breeding cages, toys, accessories

Also other cockatiels cages available and one
wrought iron cage.

Call 301-977-3694 home or 301-975-3419 ask for Debbie.

or if you prefer, you can email me (Bob).

Bob Russell
russell@cme.nist.gov
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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Telepathic Bird Owners
Keywords: Have you read your most recent issue of Bird Talk yet?
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:55:02 GMT

chajek@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (chajek) writes:

>Has anyone read the article in Bird Talk's latest issue about the 
>telepathic women who communicates (telepathically) with birds and can
>tell what they are thinking?  She holds workshops and can begin to
>teach her students in two days to telepathically communicate with their
>animals.  Is this for real?

>Granted, I can tell my animal's emotional state at times, and can
>"read" them sometimes, but this women asked the birds questions, then
>told the answers the bird gave - in human words.  

>For example, the interview was being taped and the bird kept asking
>if it was going to be on TV.  Another stated that he hated the people
>who had captured him in the wild and would like to kill them if he
>ever saw them again.  One bird had lied about his age, and the women
>said the bird admitted that he was really 36 after earlier giving a
>much younger age to the women.  The youngest parrot stated that he was
>very shy and didn't talk much because "Pepper" the father/grandfather
>(as the other birds referred to him) didn't want him to talk.  This
>shy parrot stated that he was much smarted than Pepper and would 
>someday surpass Pepper's ability to do tricks, etc.

>Quite an interesting article.  Any comment?

You have to be kidding. I haven't read the latest issue yet, but from
what you have said, I think this person needs some serious professional
help. She obviously has a few screws loose.


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From: ubhjp@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de (H.-J. Pfeffer)
Subject: Psittaciformes
Keywords: Clipping nails
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:54:35 GMT


Hello everybody ...

I'm fairly new to this sort of electronic discussions, so forgive me if there
are some bugs with the posting.
Here's what to say :
Hollows :
Most of the parrotlike birds do breed in hollows of trees or rocks. So there
is a natural interest in the birds for 'hollows' they may find in their
'human habitat'. My Bluefronted Amazon and my African Grey show the same
interest. So I prepared wooden boxes (about the size of a nest box) for them
and they like it very much. No one except me is allowed to touch the Amazon's
box. She can get very furious if someone else tries, but I have to come and
look how nice a place her box is. Some small wooden locks (very hard wood)
inside the box she chewed up completely. The African Grey instead likes to
destroy his box by chewing up the walls. So I have to prepare a new one for
him every two or three month.
-
Clipping nails:
I'm lucky to say that there's no need in clipping nails or beaks of my parrots.
Most of the time they do it themselves. But also I prepared a granite stone
at a place where they like to sit outside the cage. So when they climb over it
or clean their beaks there this works like a nail-file.
-
Literature:
For those which are interested in the Psittaciformes there are two books
highly recommended.
1. Forshaw, Joseph M. : Parrots of the world. 
   ( general description of species with many many beautiful paintings,
     every species is described and most of them are pictured.)
2. Low, Rosemarie : The complete book of parrots.
   ( gives description of species, and contains some hints of breeding for
     the more popular ones. Also contains color.photos )
-
End: 
This was a long text for electronic mail. But as we parrot-maniacs must keep
together, you may email to ubhjp at sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de or         
ubhjp at 139.174.1.3 if you have a question I can answer. (list summary possible=
So long and 'arr' 'arr' from Germany
--
H.-J. Pfeffer, Technische Universitaet Clausthal
(I'm not the best in my mother's language - how could I be in English :-)

C
C
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: 'Tiel likes catfood?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 16:08:24 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Our vet actually recommended dog food as a good source of protein for
birds (if they'll eat it; ours _know_ they are not dogs! :-)  Cat food,
however, is higher in protein and possibly in fat than dog food.  I'm
sure it isn't bad for them but I don't think it's good as a steady
diet--standard rules for birdies!

Ruth
From: fease@dkas.enet.dec.com (Andrea Midtmoen Fease)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: How Birdieized are you
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:08:18 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Marlboro MA


>How Birdie-ized am I?  Well, I have been known to bring Perry -the Blue 
>Lovebird who lives at our house, grocery shopping and to the Farmer's Market on
>Wednesdays. 

     Your story reminds me of our turkey.  We keep him at our summer place in
RI during the summer, then back he goes to Hubbardston in the winter (our house
in Shrewsbury is residential and I don't think they'd appreciate having a Tom
around ;^) ).

     Anyway, our breeder has a landscaping business, with the big chipper/
shredders and other heavy equipment.  Dave (our breeder) has been known to 
take Tommy (the 4 yr. old 40 pound turkey) with him to work - Dave drives 
the equipment and Tommy sits on the passenger seat!  You can imagine what 
people think as Dave drives up to their yard/lot with Tommy, who will some-
times get off the machine and gobble at it as it runs (he doesn't like loud
noises) 8-) !!

					- Andrea
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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: Clipping Toenails
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:39:07 GMT

In article <ROBERTS.92Aug27092957@studguppy.lanl.gov>, roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts) writes:
|> BirdTalk had an article a while back about those perches that are
|> supposed to automatically trim the toenails. They warned that may of
|> these perches (I can't remember if the concrete ones were included
|> here) irritate the birds' feet. Particularly bad were the sandpaper
|> sleeves that are design to slip over the perch. The abrasivness is
|> _very_ irritating to the feet.

I tried these once.  While they never apparently irritated my 'tiel's feet,
they didn't do much good because she spent a whole lot more more time
tearing them to shreds than walking around on them.

For entertainment value, they were great.  For nail trimming, they were
useless.

-- 
Robert J. Granvin                                       School of Statistics
rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu                             University of Minnesota
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From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Breeders
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:27:03 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug27.174646.24326@wam.umd.edu>, gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan) 
writes:
> Can someone recommend a breeder (specifically for Greys and/or Amazons)
> in the DC-VA-MD area??  Any info would be greatly appreciated!

The American Bird Company in Falls Church VA.  703.536.BIRD.



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From: hubler@galaxy.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler)
Subject: Re: Help needed--crying amazon
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.201618.3385@Cadence.COM> janices@Cadence.COM (Janice Simon) writes:
>How do you stop an amazon from crying?
>
>I recently got my green cheeked amazon back (we were apart for ~4 years),
>and he's a wonderful bird--except for the crying.  When I get home from work,
>he's very happy to see me, and is quiet while he can see me in the room.
>However, as soon as I leave his sight, the crying/whining starts.
>
>I've tried ignoring him, but that hasn't worked yet.  I've also tried 
>covering him, but as soon as I walk into the room he stops.  I don't want
>him to think that I'm coming everytime he calls.  

Be careful about who is training who.
>
I've never really had this problem, but here are some thoughts I had 
while reading your article.
Could this be a behaviour he's learned in the past few years with whoever
was keeping him?  Do you respond to the noises although not visible?
Perhaps it would be sufficient to let him no you are still there.  He
probably remembers the prior separation and is nervous about your 
daytime absence.  It could be a chance to teach him a few words, to look
at the bright side.  I do think two weeks is a bit on the short side for
adjustment time so maybe you can just wait it out.  Amazons do tend to bond
to a single person so your bird is probably a bit stressed right now.

>I'm trying to be realistic about this--I know amazons are vocal.  But I would
>like to be able to leave the room for even a few seconds without him 
>vocalizing me to death.

Amazons vocalize twice a day in general, morning and evening.  And a
random scream here or there just to keep you awake.

Dale

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From: Lisa.Gorove@bird.com (Lisa Gorove)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: BYE....
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: bird.715539820.2

Hi Carolann... I am writing messages to everyone to tell them that I will be
off line for about amonth or so.  My phoneline is being changed and I phone
line is being changed and I will be back on line as soon as possible but in the
meantime, wanted to say how much I enjoyed hearing about Casey.  They (macaws)
must be a lot of work just by sheer size but what a joy.  I look forward to
talking with you soon, will try Zeke out socializing and in the meantime, take
care.  Sincerely, Lisa Gorove
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Help needed--crying amazon
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:56:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.201618.3385@Cadence.COM> janices@Cadence.COM (Janice  
Simon) writes:
> How do you stop an amazon from crying?
> When I get home from work,
> he's very happy to see me, and is quiet while he can see me in the room.
> However, as soon as I leave his sight, the crying/whining starts.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Janice Simon

My female cinnamon cockatiel is the same way - I am usually
forced to return, cover her, or be ve-wy ve-wy qwiet!  I
don't personally mind her attention, but I doubt this is 
the case with my neighbors.  I've tried to train her not
to do this, but with no luck

Orin

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From: Carolann.Payne@bird.com (Carolann Payne)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: CASEY
Date: 02 Sep 92  22:48:57 EST


 > I would love to take Zeke out.  I think it would be really good for 
 > him.  While his feathers are trimmed, I still am convinced that he 
 > will "glide away"!!!!!!  I have told this group of friends about the 

If there is a breeze, he could!  You do have to be really careful when you take
them outside. I hang on to Casey (B&G) until I know he's "comfortable" on my
shoulder, and then I can let his feet go!         The more new blood on here,
the merrier!
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From: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu (jim crouse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Birds in Florida
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Btypu3.9KG
Reply-To: jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu
Organization: AISS/Telecom University of Illinois -- Urbana-Champaign

I have been reading in the rec.pets about the problems
 in Miami with all the dogs,cats,ferrets that need help.
 Does anyone know how the birds are doing ? Any info
 about damage to Parrot Jungle or the Miami Zoo's birds.


  jim crouse
  university of illinois
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From: lskinner@emr1.emr.ca (Lauren Skinner)
Subject: Re: 'Tiel likes catfood?
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.082232.4421@bb1t.monsanto.com> dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
> Yes, my 'tiel seems to think he found a gold mine in the
> cat food bag. ...  Just that regular hard cat chow, but boy he 
> seemed to really be getting into gnawing a piece up and eating
> it. I thought it might be best to check the net wisdom on this...

I'd like to know about this, too.

My female budgies like to gnaw away at those large, bone-shaped 
dog biscuits.  I don't think they actually eat them though...
 
Lauren
From: l670899@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com (John Vierra)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Budgerigar cere/nostrils
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:19:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.birds
Organization: lockheed

I am hoping that someone else with more experience in keeping budgies will
be able to offer some advice.

I have had a seemingly happy, healthy female budgie for 3 years now. 
Recently I have noticed that one of her nostrils is smaller than the other.
 It doesn't seem to affect her in any way, she eats normally, flies around
(without wheezing afterward) and I rarely hear her sneeze.  I recently read
that in determining if a bird is ill or not one should check that the
nostrils are of the some size and free of blockages.  She also has a very
rough cere, but none of the light coloured track like marks that might
indicate mites.  I never would have noted these possible abnormalities
except for a book I recently acquired regarding budgies, so I don't know if
the irregular nostril is a recent development or a longtime condition.  I
know that her cere has been a bit rough since I got her.  

I might also mention that although she is 3 1/2 years old, she has never
laid an egg, and I also read that budgie hens will lay eggs even when there
isn't a male around (I don't know if this has any bearing on her health).

Should I be concerned about these things?  Is there some disease which fits
her condition that I should have her checked by a vet for?

Thanks in advance for any comments/suggestions I may receive
John 
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Hi! I'm new here: )
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:14:37 GMT

In article <78866@ut-emx.uucp> claire@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Claire Sheppard)  
writes:
> 
> 	Hi! As the title reads, I'm new here.  My name is Claire and I go to
> The University Of Texas at Austin.  I have just recently [five days ago] 
> bought my first bird.  Monet is a four month old latino 'tiel. .
> 
> 4. I live in an apartment and every month the complex brings in pest control 
> people to spray each apartment. I realize that these fumes can be fatal to
> the bird. Should I have them not spray my apartment at all or should I take
> Monet to a friends apartment and stay with him there while they spray my
> apartment?

Well, this has been a hassle for me in the past and recently as well,
so I'll give you my $.02.  I've always tried to keep my landlord from
spraying, but at the place where I live now (up near DC) they didn't
like the idea, but went along with it.

Basically, the problem with not having your apartment sprayed is that
(allegedly) all the bugs from the other places will come live with you!
I'm not really sure of this theory, but just to be sure I put down some
inert powder (Boric Acid) where the birds couldn't get at it, and took
one evening where I sprayed some (Raid) myself and removed the birds until
it dried off and aired out.  

It might be OK for them to spray if the birds took some time somewhere
else until the fumes cleared, but if it's every month I'm sure you don't
need that hassle (unless the bugs get really bad!!).  I figure if the 
sprays bother me, then the birds are probably really affected by it.

They are scheduled to spray again the Friday before President's Day,
so I may take the birds out of town for a long weekend :)  

> Claire 
> and
> Monet

Orin
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From: gordy@endor.uucp (Robert Gordy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: cockatiels/parakeets
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:12:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug25.181213.6231
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <4757@rosie.NeXT.COM> bavenell@next.com (Bette Avenell) writes:
>In article <btribble.15nk@terapin.com> btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)  
>writes:
>> Well, it's not really a trick, but our 'tiel likes to look in holes...in our
>> sofa he walks around and looks in the pits inbetween the cushions. He moves  
>his
>> head close to and away from the hole in a swaying motion. His crest also  
>moves
>> slightly up and down, like he's curious. Very weird...
>> 
>Cockatiels nest in hollow's in trees in Australia.  I used to have a breeding  
>pair, and when I'd attatch the next box to the cage, the male would look at the  
>hole for several minutes, rocking back and forth, until he'd put in his head  
>very gradually - checking it out throughly before he'd let the female get a  
>look.  The male I have now does the same thing with any dark nook or cranny.   
>He loves to look in my open mouth and will tap on my face when I close my  
>mouth!
>
>Bette Avenell
>bavenell@next.com

My parakeet does the same thing with my mouth.  Do 'keets
also nest the same way as 'tiels?  I've been wondering
what the fascination was and this explains a lot!

Rob