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From: jac61@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Gas stoves
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:47:38 GMT

In article <EWADAMS.92Apr9015132@netcom.Netcom.COM> ewadams@netcom.Netcom.COM (Ernest Adams) writes:
>
>our wheat is grown in gigantic
>factory farms where every effort is made to increase production and
>reduce costs regardless of the effect on quality; while yours is
>probably still grown by Farmer Brown using methods that haven't
>changed significantly since the invention of the plowshare in the
>14th century.
>
>-- Ernest


	It probably has nothing to do with farming or processing methods.  It
	has a lot more to do with the wheat itself.  The composition of the
	structural components of the grain (polysaccharides and structural and
	storage proteins etc.) affect its dough properties.  The reason you get
	such revolting French bread in this country is that the wheat lines
	that give you a good loaf aren't grown in this country and for some
	reason they can't be imported.  There is a similar problem when you
	compare flours from the South (Dixie) and the North.  They have very
	different properties and using a Southern cookbook in the North leads
	to a good reason for secession.

	In Britain you can get revolting Wonderbread analogs too, no country
	has a monopoly on bread abuse.

	Alec Chambers
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: election 92: RESULTS OF FASCIST PARTY
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

Looking at the summary of the election results I noticed that both 
the National Front and the British national Party had candidates.
He is one result. does anyone know the number of candidates they had
and their best and worse vote
Darlington: 55,255 votes:
         Dr Donald Clarke (BNP) 355.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ewadams@netcom.Netcom.COM (Ernest Adams)
Subject: Re: Gas stoves
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:36:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
	<EWADAMS.92Apr9015132@netcom.Netcom.COM>
	<1992Apr9.165019.12911@wpi.WPI.EDU>


The most important reason for putting the sugar in is that it caramelizes
on the outside, producing a nice brown loaf even if the other ingredients
are more akin to paper pulp than anything else.  Sugar isn't for flavor
or preservation (after all, we have chemicals for that), but a marketing
tool.

-- Ernest

PS. The remark about Farmer Brown was intended as a compliment.  I'm not
*that* ignorant.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Election Fraud by the Conservatives
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:34:59 GMT

I think I hear an argument, not universally accepted, that many Labour
voters didn't register because they were trying to avoid the poll tax (I
won't comment on the prejudice apparent here).  The reasoning being: "if
you're on a Government list, you're on a Government list."

It could be argued that this was a deliberate ploy by the Conservatives.
Hate to admit it, but I doubt that.

However, I'm very disappointed if this is so.  There have been times, on
Usenet and elsewhere, when it has been necessary to address Americans'
barbs along the lines of "You repressive Brits have just introduced a Poll
Tax; why that's *evil*!  We enlightened Americans passed a consitutional
amendment against that, why, it must have been eons ago, 1964!"  The
meaning here is charging a fee to register or to vote, which was used to
discourage poor (pronounced "black") voters.

Then I would patiently explain that, like a half bath, the words have
different meaning on different sides of the Atlantic, and in fact Britain
outlawed a Poll Tax, American sense, in 1918, and it's a per-person local
government levy, highly regressive.

Now I find that, in effect, a fee to register is precisely what it has
become.

Almost enough to make you become a Libertarian.  (not)
-- 
David Brooks				dbrooks@osf.org
Systems Engineering, OSF		uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
From: matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: News from Ambridge (was Re: Gas stoves)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:01:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: matthew.MATTHEW.92Apr16145734
	<7535@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <1992Apr14.162946.18404@aber.ac.uk>
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK

>>>>> On 14 Apr 92 16:29:46 GMT, dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff) said:
> In article <7535@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> colin@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

>>	- Has Mrs. Snell been the victim of a serial killer yet?
> Sadly, no.

Though she was pounced upon by David Archer one frosty night last week...


Matthew
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
From: rishi@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rishi Varma)
Subject: Re: US Permanent Residency
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:21:41 GMT

Vipul, it will take you about 3-4 months after you have your employment
authorization.
Rishi.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Simple message
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:10:55 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr10.101511.23069@cl.cam.ac.uk> mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.075013.15123@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.181241.7526@maths.nott.ac.uk> anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr8.080132.8373@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk(Michael Traub) writes:
>>>>From your own examples I can see no mention of A spending thity times
>>>>as much as B on VAT rated goods. Wanna try again?
>>>
>>>	Computers, restaurant meals, payments to travel agents aren't
>>>VAT rated?  I'm unfamiliar with the details of the "tax" on wine and
>>>on cars, but I'm certain that there are such costs, whether of not
>>>they are called VAT.
>>>
>>He has *thirty* times as many computers? *Thirty* times as many cars?
>>I admit he may have thirty times as many meals in a restaurant. However
>>in case your maths is that poor, there is a lot more VAT revenue made on
>>a computer or a car than on a meal in a restaurant.
>
>Thirty times in value does NOT mean thirty times the quantity.   One
>new Rolls Royce is equal to a good 50 or so used Ford Fiesta's !!!

No, really? I didn't know that.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
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From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Difference Engine: Request for Information
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:23:20 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr3.140024.6188@ssd.kodak.com> dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Apr3.025611.22014@leland.Stanford.EDU> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>>I visited the Science Museum last time 
>>in London, and there they are constructing Babbage's Engine. It was thought
>>to be impossible, but apparently not. They are cheating in some respects,

>No, the Analytical Engine was thought to be impossible, and has never
>been built.  Babbage built two Difference Engines, the modern replica
>being a copy of number 2 (I theenk).

Not so. The 2nd Difference Engine was never built (until the Science
Museum made it to Babbage's drawings), and _was_ supposed to be
impossible with the technology and understanding of the time -- which
was why the Govt stopped funding it.

>The Difference Engine is a special
>purpose machine for calculating polynomials by the method of finite
>differences ....
>Pascal invented
>the first mechanical adder using wheels: Babbage was extending the
>idea).

The mechanism of Diff Engine 2 was designed after the Analytical
Engine and used some of its techniques. Muller was the first to have
the idea of a printing calculator and difference engine. Babbage was
the first to design one (36 years later). The Scheutzes were the first
to build one -- inspired by Babbage, but not the same mechanism.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why wait 5 years?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:27:29 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <jjk94t8@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>Say what?   "Do whatever you can"?    Like for instance have the
>Scots themselves vote for the SNP last week?
>
Since many scots do not want *full* independence voting for the SNP
would be a foolhardy move.

>Oh, no.   That's too easy.   Far better to vote Tory (25.7) and 
>labour(39.0) and then complain afterwards.
>
The majority voted labour, the party who offered them what they
desire, their own parliament.

>Am I the only one who is beginning to think that whatever the Scots
>claim to want, in practice they act so as to minimize achieving it,
>and to maximise the opportunity to whinge afterwards.
>
I hope so.

I though it was whining pommy bastards?

(And the Scots aren't pommy bastards)


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
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From: mkrey@Ingres.COM (MICHAEL KREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Why should Libya hand over the PanAm bombers?
Summary: Who???
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:46:54 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Apr6.232851.29460@unixg.ubc.ca>, buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony  writes...
> 
> How about, because the UN Security Council has told them to?


HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!  Why not say, because the Guam foreign minister 
said so, or because Nancy Reagan said so??????  Same bloody thing.  I 
would take orders from Mr Bean before I took an ounce of advice from teh 
UN Sec Coun.   At least he can remain a tad more objective.

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: TORIES AND THE SELFISH,AROGANT ENGLISH
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:38:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
>have a higher unemployment rate than Scotland. Maybe that's why
>Scotland was the only part of the UK where the Tories increased
>their share of the vote.

 I was wrong. I checked up, and in fact the Tories also
increased their share of votes in the North of England and
Yorkshire.

Matthew Huntbach
From: Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Questions on the election
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:33:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <1992Apr13.163227.26769@tcom.stc.co.uk>, jes@tcom.stc.co.uk (JES) writes:

>???  I must have missed that, the Mail, Express, Sun and Star had whole
>front page leader comments for the last three days before the election
>warning people that they would be taxed to buggary, mortgaged to buggary -
>and generally buggared if they voted labour - and so they didn't.
>
Don't forget the suns really sensible bit of reporting showing a corpulent
middle aged lady bursting out of a swimsuit with the caption "Page 3 under
labour".

 Trev
From: J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk (Jonathan Spencer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: MAJOR WINS MAJORITY!!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:26:40 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.073340.16687@osf.org> sp@mirabeau.osf.fr (Simon Patience) writes:
>>This is the thing that pisses me off most about the Tories. For someone
>>on twice average earnings (and above) Britain has the highest income tax
>>rate in Europe. So much for incentives for entrepreneurs.

What are the figures for each country, have you got them?

--Jonathan
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From: uad1189@dircon.co.uk (Dave Yadallee)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Simple Request
Summary: Information REquested
Keywords: Polls, electoral Ridings, marginals
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:21:17 GMT


  All I am requesting is the following:
     What all polls are saying to date concerning the state of the parties,
     What marginals ridings (seats) look like,
     What are the regional breakdowns like (London, Wales, Scotland, Merse
     side,  Central England, etc...),
     What are the Leaders ratings?

Polling Date, April 9th.
From: Steve.Varty@newcastle.ac.uk (Steve Varty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: TORIES AND THE SELFISH,AROGANT ENGLISH
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:18:17 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:

>clg308@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>Their policies on these things are UK-wide.
>>like many other Scots long regarded the english as a selfish nation [...]
>>P.S I aplogise to the English in the north,and Wales who must feel as fustrated
>>as Scotland.
>Sounds like you're really calling tory voters selfish, not the english. Please
>learn to separate politics from nationality.
>BTW I don't disagree that the tories have no mandate to govern in Scotland
>and that they appeal to the selfish nature in people. But there are selfish
>people in Scotland and socialists in England.

We in the NE of England have suffered for years, and can understand why Scots
are up in arms about the Tories win. However you must ask yourself why they won
more seats in Scotland. Obviously many Scots are selfish too.

Steve.


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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: MAJOR WINS MAJORITY!!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:27:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: axd7104@acfcluster.nyu.edu
>Oh, please.  In case you haven't noticed, the WORLD is in recession
>right now.  The UK, The USA, Japan...things are bad all over.  There's
>barely such a thing as an "English economy" anymore.  There's just one
>big economy, and it flows up and down.

Yes, but the British (please, please Scots, this guy is
obviously an ignoramus, so don't flame him for the "English")
economy has been hit harder by the recession than most other
economies. In the rest of Europe, growth has been slow or at a
standstill. In Britain we've had an economic decline worse than
any time since the 1930s, despite the fact that we've had an
oil boom. John Major was a finance minister before becoming PM.
so he's as much to blame as anyone.

The Tories have been trying to say that the slump is all the
fault of the world economy, but they didn't refuse any credit
when the world economy was on the way up taking Britain with
it, and they are always blaming Labour for the problems it faced
when it governed at the time of the 1970s world recession.

Matthew Huntbach
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mortgages (was Re: Simple message)
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:19:29 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:

>mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner) writes:
>
>   Seriously, are banks willing to lend 100% of the purchase price,
>   particularly in today's market where prices are falling ?!?!?
>
>Of course they are! They get the poor sucker who takes out the
>mortgage to pay for an insurance policy (the mortgage indemnity
>premium) that guarantees the bank or building society gets its money
>back. [i.e. You pay for their risk.] They probably get commission from
>the insurance company for this rip-off as well.

This is mainly true. Most building societies only charge the mortgage
indemnity premium if you are borrowing over 70% of the purchase price.
But even so, most of them are *not* willing to lend you more than 95%
of the purchase price. Especially not to first time buyers.


/jon
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From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Any minority candidates?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:16:15 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr6.232623.29379@unixg.ubc.ca>, banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
> 
> 		ANY MINORITY CANDIDATES?
> 
>   I am interested in knowing how many minority candidates have been
> put up by the major parties in this election. If I remember right, there
> were a couple of Asians who won on a Labour ticket last time. Have the
> Tories got round to picking any Asian or West Indian candidates so far?
As well as Keith Vaz, Bernie Grant and [help! I've forgotten her name] who
stood and won for Labour in 1987, and are standing again, Labour have four or
five other ethnic minority candidates in winnable seats, as well as some
losers. I don't know about the Libdems, but the Tories have a couple of Asian
candidates in constituiencies with large Asian populations. And, as Francis
suggested, they are popular amongst the self-made restaurant/corner-shop owning
small-business people. They also have, famously, a black barrister in white
middle-class little England Cheltenham. When he was selected last year, there
was a great hoo-hah in the local party, with several openly racist members
resigning. He is likely to lose, a result of the Libdem gain in the region and
of the racist vote against him. While this is a shame, because we desperately
need more ethnic minority MPs, it also means we are one seat closer to toppling
the iniquitously divisive Tories.

Stephen Wilcox

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.european
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: The Decline of Britain (was Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 23:18:05 GMT

In article <jknkgt4@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

>Two points here.   First, the budget deficit is an internal measure
>of tax revenues versus government spending.   It has only indirect
>connections to trade.    Secondly, I'm not claiming that having a 
>bidget deficit "boosts" anything.   Where did I say that?

You said that Germany "pays" for its good statistics with a big balance
of payments deficit.

RNA
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Election Fraud by the Conservatives
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:42:55 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Apr10.102209.22158@osf.org> david@guadet.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>
>A dissapointed Labour voting friend of mine claims that "Labour was robbed" by
>the poll tax.  He says Labour would have one but for the 'million Labour voters
>who couldn't afford to register to vote".  In view of the 77.5% turn out is  
>there any truth in this ?

Maybe, maybe not.  The % turnout is a % of those people on the
electoral register.  There's some evidence that some people have
managed to drop off of their electoral registers, apparently because
they couldn't or didn't want to pay the poll tax, and were afraid the
electoral register might help the poll tax people to track them down.
However, from here the evidence gets shaky.

There are certainly areas where the electoral registers have
unexpectedly shrunk, and they tend to be poorer areas which would tend
probably to support Labour.  However, there's generally not enough
evidence (far as I'm aware) to allow you to decide whether this is
because of people 'hiding', or because of honest demographic changes.
(There were also some surprising shrinkages in the last census, but
then if you're hiding from the poll tax and from the electoral
register, you're probably also going to hide from the census takers, so
it's not a very useful bit of knowledge.) So, each side argues this
from the direction most beneficial to them, and I don't believe either
side could prove their argument.

It also feels likely to me (again from the principle that Labour is
more popular at the bottom) that if the effect IS significant, it would
be most likely to be significant in areas which are strongly Labour
anyway, and Labour held onto all but one or two of their seats.  It was
mostly Tory seats that were changing hands (ouch, mixed imagery?).

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.canada
From: vgore@tdwfs5.tcs.com (Vipul Gore)
Subject: US Permanent Residency
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:52:41 GMT


Does anyone know how much time (approx) does a British Citizen take to obtain
his Permanent Residency in United States after his Labour Certification?

Replies to   vgore@dweft.tcs.com

Vipul Gore

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