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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:16:54 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Btyn56.8Go@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.154226.24687@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.001424.20588@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>>>The face of Doom has been speculated on for many years. One of them is
>>>that Doom isn't really hideous scarred, but is just increadiably vain.
>>>The explosion that maimed him actually only put a small scar on him, but
>>>because he was so vain about his looks he decided he was scarred
>>>forever.
>>
>>When John Byrne did FF, he retold Doom's origin.  In the new version,
>>the only effect of Vic's attempt to rescue his mother's soul was that
>>he had a small scar on one side of his face (don't remember which).
>>However, he was so vain, he thought he was so hideously scarred that he
>>didn't mind getting a red-hot mask placed directly on his face, thus
>>completely ruining his face.  His face is destroyed, but it wasn't a
>>result of the experiment.
>When was this new version of Doom's origin first shown?

Sometime during Byrne's run, but I can't recall the exact issue number
off hand.  If anyone else can help, please post it.
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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: cable
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:08:12 GMT

andrewh@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>	Seriously, X-Force is boring because it presents a simplistic world 
>view.  On one side are the Good Guys: victimized yet strong, indomitable yet 
>merciful, warlike yet wanting peace.  On the other are the Bad Guys: power 
>hungry, crazy, bloodthirsty, greedy, uncharitable, unknowable.  And, as if the 
>world could be saved singlehandedly with all the problems and catastrophes that
>really do exist and persevere. (war,famine,crushing poverty,....) Comics are 
>better when their characters are realistic.

Not to disagree with you very much, but what's the difference between X-Force
and all the rest of the X titles? They all seem to read just like your
description above.

Axly
From: hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:22:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <Bto1oC.31o@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
> In article <BtnCqz.145@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
> >v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) writes:
> >>	Just thought I'd try and get a sub-conversation started here 
> >>about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_ 
> >>interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
> >>am!!
> >
> >I hate it. I want everyone associated with putting Infinity War in
> >all those titles I used to read drawn and quartered.
> >
> >>incredible!!  A great follow-up to the 'Infinity Gauntlet' series,
> >>IMO.
> > 
> > Infinity Gauntlet was cool, but it stayed in it's own books. Infinitely
> > Long War has lasted way too long and ruined the plot line on TOO many
> > otherwise readable books.
> >
> Here I think Axly has hit on the reason IW is not as good as IG.  Despite the
> fact that I love the Magus' Machiavellian bent, I don't see why it has to 
> cross over into _every_ bloody title.  There are some books that just don't
> need IW crossovers.  Deathlok, for instance.  What was the point of that?
> I was thinking (Shock!  Horror!  Surprise!) today as I read the latest issue
> of IW that for me, the best parts of the book have been the bits where the
> crossover has expanded upon something they didn't have time to go into in
> depth in the main book, vis a vis the Warlock and the Infinity Watch 
> crossover last issue.  Some of the bits with the dopplegangers (particularly
> the Spider-Man dupe) have also been good, giving us a chance to see in detail
> what actually happened in those brief panels in the first issue.  Personally,
> I thought it would've been a better idea for Wolvie to get beaten by his dupe,
> and wind up being one of the "bad guys", but hey, nobody asked me.  It just 
> seems that, if the Magus has all these dopplegangers just lying around, he
> should've gotten at _least_ a couple more of the Earth heroes.  
> 
> Anyway, this has rambled off my original point, so I'll end it before I 
> confuse anyone else.  
> 
> The Walrus


	I don't mind the idea of a crossover som much, as long as they expand
	upon the story a bit.  What annoyes me about IW is the repeat of scenes
	over and over again.  How many times did we see the top of four freedoms
	plaze explode??  It gets damned annoying.
From: berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: What's with "The Human Target" (Hey, DC readers!)?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:31:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep1.153611.1261@cco.caltech.edu> whicken@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Wendell Hicken) writes:
>In article <la6oglINNmk3@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> rockstea@galoob.cs.utk.edu (Courtney C. Rockstead) writes:
>>	Hi.  I've become an avid watcher of the Rick Springfield series,
>>"The Human Target", Saturdays on ABC.  At the end it says that it is
>>based on a DC comics character by Wein and Infantino.  I thought they
>>meant The Avenger from a two-parter called "Justice, Inc." (man, that
>>was good!), but they don't.  So, does anyone know what they do mean?
>They mean "The Human Target" from DC.  The only comics I have of him
>are backup stories in the old Detective Comics.  Same basic premise of
>a guy who wears makeup to save other people's lives.  

I'm not sure he was ever in 'Tec, but he did play back-up for Action
in the early-mid 400's.

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
From: dcha@flex.com (Douglas Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Turtle Comics??
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:41:27 HST
Organization: Flex Information Network [Hawaii] 808.531.3539

        Does anyone still buy/read TMNT?  I'm trying to do a few
of their original works..  Issues #3-10 (the old b/w Eastman/Laird) all 
first print, as well as all 4 Micro-series (raph, mike, don, leo).

        If anyone wants to give me 1/3 the book price, it's theirs (all 
near mint).  (Oh, and also got Fugitoid).

        
--------------------
Doug Cha
dcha@flex.com
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From: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Subject: Re: Espers
Reply-To: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:45:51 GMT


In article <1685512D33.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
|>Does anyone remember the Espers limited series?  There were five issues, and
|>I believe it was done by Valiant.  I was reading in one of the letters pages
|>that other limited series were in preparation, and each one was supposed
|>to fit together like a novel.  Has anyone heard anything about that?
|> 
_Espers_ was published by Eclipse. A 4?-issue sequel called _Interface_ was published by Marvel/Epic, but IMHO was very disappointing.

				Martin K. Jones
	   			University of Alabama at Birmingham
	   			MARTIN@ARU.DOM.UAB.EDU
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Subject: Re: Sandamn: I need a reminder
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:04:41 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

In article <1992Aug26.003308.8848@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, billian@exchanger.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark W. Billian) writes:
> Could someone remind me who Alinora(sp?) is?  I remember Morpheus' love affairs
> with Calliope and Nada, but the references I've been seeing to Alinora allude
> me.  Could someone help me out?

I'm probably hazing the details again (both my wife and I thought it was Loki
incarnated as a child in Hong Kong, but everyone here insists it's Nada), but
Alianora was a past lover of Dream, who also appears to be the creator of the
skerry of dreaming in which the Cuckoo took up residence in A Game of You.
Is there more?  I haven't caught on.

Joel
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 12:47:39 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Distribution: usa
 <Btnu4z.J4x@acsu.buffalo.edu>

In article <Btnu4z.J4x@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079m8ta@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J
Klaybor) says:
>
>In article <92240.103540U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>, U19807@uicvm.uic.edu writes...
>>Nope. Sorry,but I don't get why I should fork over my hard-earned $ for yet
>>_another_ overblown Marvel mini-series which accomplishes absolutely zilch
>>except to line that company's collective pocket.
>
>        Nothing??  You imply that controlling the end-all-be-all of the
>        universe means nothing?  Doesn't Thanos pique your curiosity one bit?

To be perfectly blunt,no.

I gave up on Marvel years ago,for the most part. It irritates me to no end
that they had the gall to bring yet another character (Warlock) back to life
and then reduce him to yet another humdrum supergoof in one of the biggest
(and most ridiculous) supergoof pageants in the history of Marvel.

Of course,I _could_ be considered biased,as I've never been either much of a
Marvel zombie (and no,not _everybody_ who buys Marvel books is a "zombie" in
in my opinion...I'm chiefly referring to the fanboys who buy everything in
sight merely because it's collectible or because they actually believe every-
thing Marvel's PR department tells 'em) in the first place-and I've never
considered the other Big Two company or the undergrounds and/or independents
beneath my notice,either.

>>"Down to earth"?
>>
>>?!?
>>
>>Full of absurd plot convolutions and contradictions,perhaps,but "down to
>>earth"? Nah.
>>
>
>        What I meant to say is down to earth in comparison to the Infinity
>        series.  But yes, I think Uncanny and X-men have some terran
>        qualities... |)

I'm a bad person to argue with on this point,as I quit buying X-MEN as early
as the lead-in to the SECRET SAUCE WARS back in 198(?) or so.

I smelled a rat when Claremont seemed to've been forgetting to conclude some
of his plot digressions. We all know what happened later reagarding that
problem,right? >:)

>>Uh. After reading through (notice that I didn't say "buying"-that's a bit of
>a
>>stretch) virtually all of the issues of INFINITY GAUNTLET [...]
>          ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
>
>        Does skimming thru a few issues of a six-part series qualify you to
>        rip it apart??

Yes. If you can't smell junk by leafing through something and realizing that
something's,er,_amiss_(to say the least),you must be the proud owner of
YOUNGBLOOD #1.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:14:24 GMT

hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
{basically he questions the practice of bashing Marvel titles}

Well, I suppose it's a valid criticism, RACers do tend to not
like most of the mindless drivel (OOOPs, that's a bash, isn't it :-)
coming out of Marvel these days.  Still, I for one wouldn't mind
hearing of good books put out by my old favorite company (I used
to buy everything Marvel put on the shelfs back in the late
1970s -- Oh God, was i a . . .
no, i daren't even say the word).

I've heard some good posts about series like Quasar and, in general,
the Incredible Hulk, both of which I might look into again.  And 
would like to know what's going on with some old faves like the
Avengers (since then, I think most of the characters I grew up with 
went to the West coast branch) and some of the other, older titles
out there.

I guess the point is, don't get turned off just because many people
on the net are down on Marvel books, if you have something positive
to say about a title, let's hear it.  I expect there are a lot of
silent listeners out there who may agree with you.

-Vincent

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Batman (AZRAEL)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:14:06 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Aug 1992 04:25:37 GMT, jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Lyn Hart) said:

jeremyl> In article <1992Aug28.011932.29369@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, perry@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Perry Staltari) writes:
|> 
|> 	Just got the Batman issue with "the Sword of Azrael". I thought
|> it was quite good and intriguing. I just wanted to know what others
|> thought and how many issues this would go on for....

jeremyl> I thought it was very good, too - I may be biased, though,
jeremyl> being a big fan of Quesada's work.
jeremyl> I *believe* it's a limited series, but I'm not sure how long...

It's a 4 issue mini-series

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Black Superheroes
Followup-To: kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:57:51 GMT

Hi, those of ya'll around last spring might remember that I compilled a listing
of black superheroes(I also did one on Jewish heroes-but there were only like
7 of them).  Anyway the list got into the high 70's.

What I'd like to know is if anyone has a copy of the list.  I have a partial
hard copy of it, and want to re complete it. please E-mail me with any news.

----SCAVENGER

-- 
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a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for  |     (Internet/Usenet)
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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: THE LAD WHO WRECKED THE LSH
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:37:24 GMT


 > From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
 > Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., 
 > Madison, WI

 > Wasn't Dynamo Boy "The Lad Who Wrecked The Legion" circa Adventure 
 > #328-329?

...not as *I* recall. The "Dynamo Boy" I referred to was a one-page throwaway
applicant who tried to get into the Legion by replacing Lightning Lad in
position and power. However, he derived his "powers" from an electrical
generator belt that shot harmless static charges towards specific targets
that were rigged to blow up anyway. 

"Don't worry about the damage! I'm rich, and I'll pay for it all!", said
Dynamo Boy just before Saturn Girl clipped a power cable she saw sticking out
from behind his cape. DB was then exposed as a reporter who tried to gain
entry into the Legion to research an article he was writing.

...lord knows this was the foundation for the "Anti-LSH Espionage" law that
Gym was "guilty" of back when the LSV turned his parents into glass. I also
suspect that schemes of ignorance were similarly outlawed as well.z`"

...as for the "Lad Who Wrecked The Legion", I believe that WAS Command Kid,
who as punishment was sent back to the 20th Century Earth-Prime to live out
the rest of his life as a bum on the street. However, when the Crisis 
merged all the various Earths into one imaginary Earth existant only in
the imaginations and acid-free bags of both sides of the comics industry,
Tom Bierbaum was reborn as in another new life altogether. There, he met
his wife, Mary, and together they set out to get revenge on a Legion that 
had wronged him even though they no longer existed in reality.

                                                        OM
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From: lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:09:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.100856.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.032222.15756@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>> Spoiler after the ^L
>> 
>> You're right that he did this, but wrong as to his target. Loki switched
>> places with the Japanese thunder god (as he mentioned, he has a slight
>> grudge against such deities). Dream caught him and made an unspecified
>> deal with Loki not to let Odin know about it. Nuala isn't Loki unless
>> Dream's been very careless for a very long time now.
>
>Unspecified?  From the TPB edition of Season of Mists, it seems pretty
>apparent that Dream will replace the bound Susan-Thingie with a dream image,
>and that Loki is born into an oriental child.

Really? I remember the part about Dream replacing the Chinese god with
the dream image, but I don't remember Loki being born into an oriental
child. *Nada* was reborn as a baby, though. I have the original issues
and not the TBP; are they different?

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: A Second Implosion? (was Re: JSA CANCELLED?)
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:15:47 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
>Too true!  I don't buy many off-the-shelf comics these days because
>I've discovered that there's better - and cheaper! - stuff available
>in the back issue bins, but in recent months the comics I have
>really looked forward to are: Dr. Fate, JSA, Aquaman, and
>Hawkworld.  Dr. Fate has been cancelled, JSA is going to be
>cancelled, and Aquaman and Hawkworld are going to be "restarted"
>whatever that means ...

	Dr. Fate?! Blech! I really have no idea what Bill M-Loebs was
trying to do with this title. I thought at first he was trying to
make some sort of social commentary, but it must have gotten lost
with all of the puncheminnaface with the Egyptian gods.

	I really didn't understand what happenned to this book. It 
seems to me that for a monthly comic to be successful, the writer
should provide some sort of consistency within his own work, i.e.
not shooting hit-and-miss between slugfests and social commentary.

	Personally I don't think continuity of plot is as important
as continuity of theme. I was willing to accept the silly premise that
Kent and Inza Nelson were back, but it became difficult to follow
their wacky exploits.

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:15:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.001424.20588@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>The face of Doom has been speculated on for many years. One of them is
>that Doom isn't really hideous scarred, but is just increadiably vain.
>The explosion that maimed him actually only put a small scar on him, but
>because he was so vain about his looks he decided he was scarred
>forever.
>
>On a side note, this may fall under urban legend but I read somewhere
>that a fan once asked Ditko (it was Ditko who did the FF, wasn't it?)
>what Doom looked like. He apparently obliged (don't know why) and drew
>someone who looked remarkably like Stan Lee, but with a small scar on
>his cheek. Of course, Ditko could have been just bitter, but who knows.
>Besides, Doom would have to look better than Lee.
>
Well, it has been implied that when Doom first put on his first mask,
which was still red-hot, the damage to his face was done, and done
pretty severely. In an old Thor issue, Don Blake tricks Doom into thinking
he is a great plastic surgeon who could heal his face. Doom takes off his
mask and Blake is apparetly astonished with what he sees, saying "I didn't
know it would be like THAT! There's nothing medical science can do! Nothing!"
However, this may be just a writer's error. In issue 197, Susan Richards
is one of the FF who sees Doom unmasked, yet in issue 236 when the FF have
been shrunk by Doom, she mentions she has never seen his face before
and sneaks into his room to take a look. When she looks, she gasps as
if horrified, although she shouldn't have seen anything new. Then, in
issue 350 when the "true" Doc Doom returns, Doom tells Kristoff he is
the only one to have ever seen him unmasked. The continuity of the writers
leaves MUCH to be desired! The only thing that seems to 
be sure is that Doom is sometimes drawn with tattered flesh around his eyes
in his mask. Also, since he ran in agony into the snow when his first
mask burned into his face, there should have been some kind of damage
done to it...
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From: prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt)
Subject: Re: THE LAD WHO WRECKED THE LSH
Reply-To: prec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:36:22 GMT

In article <715093121.1@fquest.FidoNet> Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) writes:
>
> > From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
> > Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., 
> > Madison, WI
>
> > Wasn't Dynamo Boy "The Lad Who Wrecked The Legion" circa Adventure 
> > #328-329?
>
>...not as *I* recall. The "Dynamo Boy" I referred to was a one-page throwaway
>applicant who tried to get into the Legion by replacing Lightning Lad in
>position and power. However, he derived his "powers" from an electrical
>generator belt that shot harmless static charges towards specific targets
>that were rigged to blow up anyway. 

No.
Dynamo Boy was the villain of Adv 330-331, in reality "Vorm of the
Pirate Planetoid" who was admitted to the Legion, canned all the
members, and then replaced them with the LSV. He was double-crossed
by them and exiled to the distant future.

Command Kid was "The Lad who Wrecked the Legion" in Adv 328, in
reality a (unnamed) kid from the planet Preztor who had been
possessed by an evil spirit after crash-landing on Taboo Island.
He was eventually freed of the demon which was vulnerable to gold.

The rejected Legion applicant with the electricity-generator was
Storm Boy (from Adv 305, I think).






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