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From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:44:20 GMT

JOHN HIATT writes:
>  I do not want to ask an intensely detailed question so I'll ask as simply
>as possible:
>
>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?

The simple answer is that your question is totally irrelevant for
this (s.c.j.) newsgroup.

If you want to believe that the self-styled preacher Joshua, or
Shabbatei whatever, or Mohammed, or any of the hundreds or thousands
of other people who have lived or are living on this planet who have
claimed they were the Messiah, is in fact so, go ahead, but what does
it have to do with Judaism?

This Joshua, who you treat as the Messiah (and who you have elevated to
Assistant God status), was but one of many people in his own time who
claimed such a status (it must've been the in-thing to do at the time
for those who were looking for quick popularity, and quick death from
the Romans).  Do you expect the Jews of today to research the claims
of each of these attempts at self-created martyrdom?  And even if you
do, why should we?

-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: raan@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ran Ever-Hadani)
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:49:25 GMT

In <92279.105004HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:

>How about:

>English    Hebrew
>school     haschala
>source     shoresh

How about

English      Hebrew
telephone    telephone

:-) :-)

Word similarity between language A and B may be caused by A --> B,
B --> A or C --> A, C --> B.  I would assume that for some of
the examples given, the latter is the case, with C beeing Greek.

-- Ran
-- 
Withdrawal from the territories is in Israel's vital interest.  I will not 
feel any less at home in Shiloh or Bethlehem if I need a visa to go there.

                                   Moshe Dayan  (quoted from memory)
From: exposim@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Simposium de Sistemas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Future problems in Israel
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:13:17 GMT


  To anyone:

  We are a group of students who are really interested in the problems who the
  jewish people in Israel have. We have a question to do, we hope you can 
  answer it as soon as possible, sending your answers to our id:

                     exposim@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx

   The question is:

   Which are the principal problems who Israel could have in the next 20 years?

   It is important for us to have this information soon, so we can continue with   our investigation here in Mexico, about such a interesting country.

   Too, if someone of you like to send us some newspaper, articles, etc..
   tell us, so we can send you our address.    

                Thanks by your attention.

                                          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: let's stop that nonsense,
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:04:13 GMT

robert.winkler@canrem.com (robert winkler) writes:

>    Andrzej, you're perfectly right in one respect: it's really nonsense
>to argue. It's even more, HOPELESS. Having followed most of this
>argument, I can clearly conclude TWO facts:
>1) Poles actively participated in atrocities against the Jews during &
>   AFTER the war; their participation was on such a large scale that it,
>   in certain respects, perfectly justifies the claim of their
>   anti-semitic nature in certain periods of history (including present)

>2) Poles will never be able to admit it - as it's a very unconfortable
>   fact indeed. But, after all, they'll certainly need their spotless
>   little conscience to sleep soundly...

>One thing that you're wrong: ALL the historical facts & dates & sources
>cited by Polish people in support of their argument has been ANSWERED
>promptly by various people.

>As to the sources etc. cited by Jews - well, I must've missed the
>relevant Polish remarks, for I haven't seen any. There've been books,
>essays, reports, etc metioned - there's been not ONE Pole to read those
>& think about them... oh, well, you don't bother with facts, do you...?
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

I think this is a VERY BALANCED VIEW of the situation.
Anyone disagreeing is a rabid antisemite.


MB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Subject: English teaching in Israel?
Summary: Help wanted for English teaching job in Israel.
Keywords: teach, English, Israel
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:30:10 GMT

I am a South African graduate with a bachelor's degree in English and an
MA in philosophy who is interested in teaching in Israel in 1993.  I
have a TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) diploma as well as
experience in teaching English to 2nd-language learners in South African
universities and, ideally, this is the kind of teaching I would want to
do.

I would greatly appreciate any advice as to how I could go about trying
to arrange such a job in Israel - either before I leave South Africa or
on my arrival in Israel.

I would prefer it if people would reply to my personal e-mail account at
piij@hippo.ru.ac.za

Thank you very much.
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:16674 alt.discrimination:4497
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:42:05 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Sep26.002538.4541@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Followups out of misc.legal:
>
>In article <1992Sep25.192011.8210@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>>Jewish fundamentalists have beat up women in holy
>>places.  And the savagery of CERTAIN Muslim fundamentalists is enough of
>>a byword in the Western media to need no elaboration from me.
>
>I don't suppose you have a source for that first sentence.  (And I

New York Times article, 1990/1991; look it up in the New York Times
index.  [Ted, can you send me that Law Review article on MIT on silicon?
Firestone does not carry U of C's law review.]

>don't suppose that your inclusion of "CERTAIN" in capital letters
>as a modification of "Muslim fundamentalists" was meant to imply that
>"all" Jewish fundamentalists beat women.  My grandfather certainly didn't.)

No; I refute the monolithic picture of ALL Muslim fundamentalists as
bearded oppressors of women by pointing out that other faiths can at
times oppress women, especially fundamentalists.  Cognitive science
teaches us to focus some times on the second-order, structural features
of a situation, and I claim that oppression of women is less a property
of Muslim fundamentalism than of fundamentalism.  Nor do I think that
chauvinism is necessarily a part of fundamentalism; in America, women
are sometimes empowered by their association with fundamentalist
churches.  The Jewish women attacked at the Wailing Wall were attempting
to practise their faith in a somehwat fundamentalist manner.
>
>
>Funny how Orthodox Jews missed what Jesus said.  (Awfully imperialistic
>of you, Ed, to tell Orthodox Jews that they're being idolatrous, too.)

Do they believe that man was made for the Sabbath?  Or was Christ being
what he in fact was, a first-class Orthodox Jew (speaking
anachronistically) by saying that the Sabbath was made for man?  And
when you told Imran how to speak of the Prophet, you spoke from
ignorance.  Truth is never imperialistic.  Your imperialism was a
compound of your telling Imran how to behave, speaking falsely (though
in good faith), and speaking of another culture in an oversimplified
fashion.  Otherwise every declarative sentence is "imperialist".  And
that's absurd.

Check out Matt Rosenblatt's recent posting re Lex Loci and my subsequent
nuke of same for imperialism and its critique.


>-- 
>           .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
>          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
>         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ckinberg@milton.u.washington.edu (Clare Kinberg)
Subject: Re: Rostock Riots in ex-DDR?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:17:39 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:34:13 GMT

In article <22563@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.153547.21882@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>>
>> In article <22534@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>>
>> (re the advice the a person considering intermarriage should consider
>> a trial separation ...)

>
>I referred to the advice as "silly" because I was too polite to say
>"dishonest", which perhaps is what I should have done right away.  The
>person giving the advice (and I suppose you, too) appears quite clearly
>-- from what he says -- not to be interested in a "trial separation" at
>all, but in a breakup of the couple.  Using suggestions from a book
>about finding a spouse -- a *new* spouse in this case -- was a dead
>givaway... 
>
>In that case, I think it would be more honest to come out and state
>one's position openly and defend it for what it is.

I (I think) was the one who initially suggested the trial separation.
I was straightforward and honest.  I explicitly presented my own biases,
and dismissed them as irrelevant to Mr. Webb (who clearly would not be
dissuaded by _my_ feelings).

>Incidentally, there are many things over which "there may well be some
>friction" in a marriage -- being from different races or ethnic groups,
>for example.  Would you suggest a "trial separation" (including dating
>as many other people as possible???) in that case as well?

As a matter of fact, I would.  If one of the parties was clearly
ambivalent (as is the case for the young lady), a trial separation
seems reasonable.  This would hold true regardless of the reason for
the ambivalence (ethnic, cultural, socioeconomic, etc.).



-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: here we go again....
Keywords: CAMERA PBS propoganda
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:03:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct6.160318.18621
Organization: AT&T Engineering Research Center

In article <1992Oct6.134149.26842@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.135516.4687@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>
>>You had a monopoly on the media for the past 40 years. Is it too much
>>if the Arabs side presented their case now?
>
>Don't forget the banks.  Jews controlled all those, too.  We also
>controlled all the bakeries, and swimming pool cleaning franchises.

And when we get to dominate women's professional wrestling, our
goals will be complete! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(By the way, all of the proceeds from the sales of "The Protocols
of the Elders of Zion" go to the ADL.)
:-)

-- 
               		Alan Lustiger
    |_ | |             	AT&T Bell Laboratories ERC, Princeton, NJ
     /   |( 		attmail!alustiger or att!pruxk!alu or lustiger@att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:44:46 GMT

In article <RLK.92Oct2203841@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>In article <emc.718055615@tomalak> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>
>   stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>   >JOHN HIATT writes:
>   >>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?
>
>   >The simple answer is that your question is totally irrelevant for
>   >this (s.c.j.) newsgroup.
>
>   >If you want to believe that the self-styled preacher Joshua, or
>   >Shabbatei whatever, or Mohammed, or any of the hundreds or thousands
>   >of other people who have lived or are living on this planet who have
>   >claimed they were the Messiah, is in fact so, go ahead, but what does
>   >it have to do with Judaism?
>
>   This is a bit simplistic don't you think? Jewish culture has often been
>   formed as a result of contact with other surrounding cultures.  It is
>   simply a question of what is kept in and what is kept out, as a community
>   consensus.  The question above simply asks why is the Jesus tradition
>   kept out.  It has everything to do with soc.culture.jewish
>
>Except for the fact that John Hiatt has posted similar things before,
>and not in a way that strikes me (or a lot of other people) that he's
>looking for information.

I also find the timing of such questions interesting. We don't see so
many of these questions around say, Xmas, or the Fourth of July.
-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
green@island.com            that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Perot Halts Engagement
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:12:01 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller) writes:


>There was a discussion at our Sunday morning minyan that H. Ross Perot's
>daughter was dating a guy. H. Ross found out he's Jewish.. and put a stop
>to it before it got 'serious'.

>Has anyone heard that story?  Is there any documentation to prove it?

>Thanks,

>Marlene J. Miller

    Oh, if it could only be true ! Yet another Jew saved by H. Ross Perot!
    KEN YRBU !

Yaaqov Y. Goldberg
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:13:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Oct2.070524.4767@javelin.sim.es.com> JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT) writes:

>  I do not want to ask an intensely detailed question so I'll ask as simply
>as possible:

>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?

The real question is how someone qualifies as the messiah.  The messiah
must restore the Jewish kingdom to its full independent status, and also
accomplish several other things, among which some even see the full 
establishment of world peace, etc.  Since these have not happened,
the messiah has not come.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re:  Halacha of sex change
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:08:11 GMT

boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) writes:
>I heard of (a real case) a Jewish gal that converted into a lad (you know:
>hormones, some cut-and-paste job ...) and is engaged (as a man) to another
>woman.
>  I wondered about the Halachaic side of this; for example, what would a
>Rabbi say if the above two would now ask to become married ?

There are several key issues that would have to be resolved.

1)  If the female woman is a Gentile, would the children be Jewish?

2)  Can the male woman (or is it female man) wear a tux, or would that
    be beged 'ish, thereby invalidating the ceremony?

3)  Who breaks the glass?

4)  Will they have mixed dancing at the reception?  If not, how not?

5)  Can we get out of saying tachanun if she-he comes to the minyan?

6)  Are we yotzei hearing haftarah at the aufruf?

-Don Gertler

Boy am I gonna be fried for this one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: A5711DAA@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: literature like chaim potok
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:51:38 GMT

Last term I accidently get to know one book of Chaim Potok, and now I have
finished with everything he has published. Can anyone help me to find anything
as fascinating as that?
Just novels of personal development in a jewish culture? (Of a _normal_
life, not in itself affected by the holocaust; I already know a lot of
novels of Elie Wiesel and the like. I would like to read more about the
daily life and habits.)

Thank you, rescuers of my lonley nights.

Gertraud (A5711Daa@awiuni11.edvz.univie.ac.at)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Perot Halts Engagement
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:48:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.224749.17906@news.ysu.edu> aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
(Marlene Miller) writes:

>There was a discussion at our Sunday morning minyan that H. Ross Perot's
>daughter was dating a guy. H. Ross found out he's Jewish.. and put a stop
>to it before it got 'serious'.  

>Has anyone heard that story?  Is there any documentation to prove it?

_IF_ this is true, is it a positive comment about Perot?  I'd say so.
After all, protecting individual traditions, and helping prevent an
intermarriage is positive as far as I'm concerned.

Now we just need to understand Perot's positions on everything other than
intermarriage.  Does he have any?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: anton@gagme.chi.il.us (Andrzej Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Have the american Jews done enough?
Originator: anton@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:25:23 GMT

In article <1a2h3bINN7j6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>   There are many lessons to be learned from the Holocaust.  Most
>important is the lesson to be learned from the Righteous Gentile.
>The Righteous Gentiles were those exatraordinary individuals who,
>to one degree or another, risked their lives to save Jewish life.
>Many of these people were caught and murdered along with the Jews
>they were protecting.
>   The message is that each of us always has a choice.  It was no
>accident that the death camps were located in Poland.  The Polish
>people had, over the centuries, exhibited rabid anti-semitism, so
>the nazis knew that they would not have a problem operating death
>camps in Poland. 

You forget about the German efficiency in saving the cost of trans-
portation. Otherwise ditto.

There were Poles who saved Jews.  But they were
>the exception rather than the rule.
>   Maybe the most important lesson of the Holocaust is that we as
>individuals always have choices.  They may be difficult, but they
>always exist.  It has been said that for evil to thrive, one does
>not have to do evil things, but, rather, enough people have to do
>nothing in the face of evil.  
>-- 
>   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
>may not be both."

Or one might be a member of NSDAP, or a human being.
Replace a few words. Big difference.

>                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel
>

					-- Atheist Andrzej Borowiec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:54:33 GMT

warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

>In <1992Sep30.210600.587@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

>>In Israel, the *whole year* is a vacation :-)

>The trouble is that you have to have your vacation at the office
>(unless you're out waiting on line at another office).  While the
>office does come equipped with coffee/tea and a telephone, there's
>usually nowhere comforatable to sleep ...

  Have you read "Vercoquin et le plancton" by Boris Vian? There are very
good solutions in that book !     
  For example, have you tried the lowest drawer in your desk as a place for
  your stretched feet?
  I have also enjoyed the AMX-13 tank turret for vertical sleeping, but your
  office may be small (or you are much more of a big boss than you told us).
From: ai726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alice Schubach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 3 Oct 1992 23:29:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alice Schubach)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


>
>Another potential conflict is when bosses schedule important meetings
>or other functions on the holidays (or on shabbos, for that matter:
>you know these things never get scheduled for Sunday).
>
Mark is right ... Where I work, this is a very common occurrence and
I have found it extremely frustrating!

Alice
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allender@ils.nwu.edu (Laura Allender)
Subject: Chasidic Mysteries
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:30:07 GMT

Does anyone know the name of the author who writes mysteries that
take place in a Chasidic community?

Thanks in advance

Laura Allender


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:01:27 GMT

Maybe the following question can lead to an answer-

	To ethnic Poles (or Polish Catholics or whatever the right
	phrase is), are (were) those people whose religion is
	Judaism but who have roots in Poland for 800 years also
	Poles, or are they some different group?

	For the record, at least in my family, we feel that Poles
	treated us as outsiders and not your countrymen.
	
-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish