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From: kerry@brabo.esd.sgi.com (Kerry McCracken)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:16:18 GMT

In article <30375@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth
Weiss) writes:
|> >kerry@brabo.esd.sgi.com (Kerry McCracken) writes:
|>    Someone else wrote:
|> >|> >But let's face it,
|> >|> >you chose to have the younguns, so you are going to have to
|> sacrifice
|> >|> >SOMEWHERE....
|> >|> >Obviously, these things should have been thought about BEFORE you
|> >|> >had the younguns, but you now have to live with your mistake. 
|> 
|> >"Out of line" is an understatement ......
|> 
|> And Kerry is totally right.  Many children aren't 'mistakes', and
|> parents aren't living with 'mistakes': they're living with loved
|> children.
|> 
|> >It would be REALLY nice if we could all go back to the 50's ala Ward
|> and
|> >June Cleaver.
|> 
|> Here, however, I totally disagree.  If went back to that era, I would
|> be a miserable woman, forced into a role that doesn't fit my
|> personality and dreams.  My husband would be a miserable man, forced
|> into a role that doesn't fit his personality and dreams.
|> 

Beth .... we all know that Ward and June are fictional.  They were
fictional in the 50's ... and they are fictional now.  That life never
actually existed and ... I definately agree with you that it would NOT be
something I would choose.  I was being sarcastic with my comment ... God
forbid there be anyone out there who would think I want to be June Cleaver
.... AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!  Shoot me now!

Cheers

Kerry
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ scores...
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:46:48 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <25598@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL writes:

> Alright -- THAT'S IT!  I've had just about all I can take.  

> I happen to believe that giftedness is:
> 
> 	the ability to learn quickly
> 	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> A while back, after noticing that my daughter was developing far beyond her age
> group, I posted a short note asking for advice from my friends at misc.kids.
> I kept my note as vague as possible so as to solicit a greater number and 
> variety of opinions.  Obviously, there are a great number of people who
> misunderstood me.  Since then, I have been told to 'get a grip' and I have been
> accused of 'wearing my daughter's giftedness as a badge'.  I have also heard
> a number of comments, like the above, that would imply that I am being 
> 'ridiculous'.  > 

> So tell me, what is so ridiculous about saying my child might be gifted.  I 

> Laura
> Mom to Maryrose Nadine McGovern - born 8-5-92
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^

Laura, calm down, really there isn't any reason to get so upset :).  I remember
your post, and some of the responses to it.  I think maybe the reason that many
people were a bit skeptical about you proclaiming your daughter's giftedness
was a combination of factors.  One was that the first post was when she was
about 4 months old, yes?  And from what you wrote it really did sound more as
if perhaps you were reading baby books religiously and comparing your
daughter's development, and concluding that because she was doing some things
earlier than the book says is "normal"...she must be gifted.  

To quote my dad's old phrase we weren't laughing at you, just with you (to
which I always used to say "but *I'm* not laughing!).  Frankly, each and every
one of has probably looked at our new babies, particularly our FIRST babies,
and secretly just known that they were incredibly bright, sensitive and
definitely far ahead of any other baby on the planet.  And that is what parents
are supposed to do, don't you agree??  It would be a pretty sad world if we all
sat around thinking "well, I've sure given birth to some average blob--oh well,
maybe there is a good movie on cable tonight" :).

So don't get too upset at people.  It is just that a few years down the road
you may be smiling as you watch MaryRose's younger brother/sister and recall
how you excitedly posted that MaryRose must have been gifted to be doing then
what you now recognize with bro/sis as perfectly well within the normal range, 
just a bit sooner.

Oh, you will also probably find that your daughter will do some things faster,
some things slower, and it all evens out in the end!

Best,
Ann Helmers

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Subject: What would you have done (was: Re: Bang me on the head)
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:00:07 GMT

In article <77572@apple.apple.COM>
scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
 
>
>So my five-year-old and I are driving along and we see a guy
>hitch-hiking.  "Oooh," says Alan.  "He shouldn't take a ride
>from strangers."  I'm thinking this is good, this is fine.  Let's
>take the opportunity to reinforce this.
>
>Me:     Alan, if you needed a ride, would you ride with a stranger?
>Alan:   Nope.
>Me:     What if you were walking and someone offered you a ride?
>Alan:   Nope.
>Me:     What if they offered you candy?
>Alan:   Oh yeah.  Sure!
>Me (swerving back onto the road):       WHAT????  WHY????
>Alan:   Because then I'd know they were nice!
>Me (internally):        Aaaarrrgh!
>
>Of course we had a little discussion about how you can't tell if
>a stranger's nice so you dodn't go with anyone unless Mama says it's
>okay.  This lead to some uncomfortable questions like where do bad
>people want to take him and why.  But hopefully he won't go off
>with candy-toting strangers now.  Sheesh!
>
>                --  maggie
>--
>                                --scott douglass
>Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
>domain: scott@apple.com  UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott
>CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet  AppleLink: Douglass1
 
I've got a question for you guys about this one.  The other day, my
daughter Tatijana (2.5) and I rode the bike to the store.  As I am tying
up my bike, a stranger walks up to her.  He says "Hi" and tells her that
she's a cutie.  I'm ready to hit him at this point.  (By the way, he's an
old guy - the grandfather-type).  Then he reaches in his pocket and says:
"I don't know you from Adam, but I'm gonna give you a quarter."
I just stand there and I don't know what to do.  But I'm right there,
I'm holding her hand, so I let her take the quarter.
Then the old man leaves - and I give my daughter this long speech about
not taking things from strangers when Mommy's not there. Don't know if
she got it.
 
I don't know if I did the right thing, though.  Somehow I should have found
a way to nicely tell him that I'd rather not have him give anything to my
child - because of the dangers.  The "thanks, but no thanks"approach.
What would you guys have done? And at what age do you think they understand
that they shouldn't take anything from a stranger?
 
Stephanie
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nail Cutting (was: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:10:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) says:

>In article <30874@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>>
>>I think this goes for nail-cutting too, unless someone has some great tip
>>they'd like to share (please??)
>
>I have always had a lot of luck with this task. My son didnt even need his
>nails cut for about 6 weeks, because they seemed to naturall peel when they
>got to a certain length. When he was a little older he really like being on
>his stomach, using his arms to push himself up. I found that was a great time
>to cut his nails, since his hands werent going anywhere. I just made sure he
>was fascinated with something. 

     I've always wondered how soon to start cutting nails; I know it would
normally be a problem for me with them having such little fingers & with my
limited eyesight.  However, Remington came out with a hand-held nail trimmer
that's really easy to use; it runs on batteries and costs about $10, I think.
(I forget what it's called.)  This is the perfect product for me once I have
kids, because otherwise I would run the risk of cutting a toenail too short
and causing an ingrown toenail because of it.  In fact, my cousins each can
trim their own nails with it; Matthew was even able at just about 5. (He'll
still let his mom at times, because it is a good thing to do cuddling.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.jobs.misc
From: Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: Vanderbilt University Computer Center
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>From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
>Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.jobs.misc
>Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
>Message-ID: <301@cnmhnet.UUCP>
>Date: 20 Jan 93 19:20:22 GMT
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>In article <1993Jan19.061356.14467@fuug.fi> an6814@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>I'd like to work part-time in order to spend more time with my infant,
>>It seems as if a part-time career is non-existent in software engineering
>>and in professional/technical jobs in general.  It's looked down upon,
>>I am torn.  On one hand, I've got lots of time invested in an education
>>and a career.  On the other, these first precious months of my baby's
>>life will never come again.  My husband's job pays twice what mine does,
>>A Mommy seeking a balance
>
>OK.  I'll accept your statement not wanting to start an argument
>about choosing a career versus motherhood.  

That's big of you, Keith.

>But let's face it,
>you chose to have the younguns, so you are going to have to sacrifice
>SOMEWHERE, whether it's taking your younguns to a daycare center, 
>or working part-time [if possible] or staying at home and raising
>the younguns and adjusting your lifestyle to a lower income.  
>Obviously, these things should have been thought about BEFORE you
>had the younguns, but you now have to live with your mistake. 

Mistake!  #%^!($)&@%&*#@(@&.!!(%$&(*$&*$&@(#@($&(!)$*. 
HhnHmmm!  Keith, boy, you need to work on your choice of words. You
are WAY out of line here.
 
>Whatever you do, please do your co-workers a favor and choose one
>or the other.  Don't shortchange them by staying at home when the
>youngun coughs one time, or rush out in the afternoon when the
>school calls to have you pick up the youngun cause he sneezed.  
>Your coworkers deserve to have someone there that they can depend on
>to do their share.

My own experience is that people with families are often VERY 
dedicated to their jobs, in part as a result of their desire to guarantee 
security for their children. Often the benefits of this dedication more 
than make up for lost time during a child's illness. To assume anything 
less of the original poster is simply not fair. And I daresay that many
managers would agree with what I'm saying.

Frank


============================================================
Frank C. Sayre
sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phil@lotatg.lotus.com (Phil Ritari)
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Organization: Lotus Development Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:35:32 GMT

In article <2689@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM> chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Steve  
Chenoweth) writes:
> As other authors in these groups have pointed out, the situation remains
> unresolved for exceptionally fast learners in our school systems.  When you
> have a child like some of those who've been mentioned, reading at 2 yrs.,  
etc.,
> and you show up four years later at their first grade classroom and see 30
> kids with a teacher saying, "This is a b" to them, suddenly you know
> how it's all going to go.  No amount of theory about virtues of mainstreaming
> can resolve that feeling in the pit of your stomach.  Those of us who have
> been through this tend to be less in favor of mainstreaming than we used to  
be.


I have occasionally boasted in this forum about some of the advantages my son's  
school structure offers, and here is another example. He attends a private K-8  
school (The Phoenix School in Salem MA) which has about 50 students and 3 main  
teachers (5 or so part time specialists). The school is essentially a one-room  
school, with mixed age groupings for most activities. This means activities can  
be grouped by ability and a first grader can be in with third fourth and fifth  
graders and it's a perfectly natural arrangement. The kids expect to be in  
mixed age groups, so there's not a stigma attached to it and everyone can  
progress at a rate that suits their abilities.
From: tjt@dogfish.oki.com (Tom Teixeira)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help conceiving TWINS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:18:39 GMT
Organization: Oki Advanced Products Division
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tjt@oki.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: dogfish.oki.com

In article <1993Jan15.194302.27687@sol.asl.hitachi.com>, jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce) writes:
ill Boyce

[info from Desmond Morris about factors correlated with twins deleted]

|> jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
|> 
|> 

When my wife found out she was pregnant with twins 2+ years ago, we did some reading
and discovered that the "risk" factors included being over 35 (or low twenties -- i.e.
newlywed), heredity, and so forth. We'd like to think that twins were caused by extra
passion :-), but same book went on to say that these factors only affect the incidence
of fraternal twins. The incidence of identical twins (like ours) was constant across
all ages, races, and family backgrounds. I don't know the name of the original study,
or even which book it was in, but most of the books we found on twins had the same
information.
-- 
Thomas J. Teixeira	Oki Advanced Products Division
508-460-8653 (Voice)	100 Nickerson Road
508-480-9635 (Fax)	Marlborough, MA 01752
tjt@oki.com		"Insert your quote here." B. Stroustroup
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hellstra@aton.abo.fi (Stefan Hellstrand INF)
Subject: Re: Flammability (was: Re: A few Questions)
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:19:33 GMT


In article <1993Jan21.100513.17157@marie.uucp> perryh@marie.uucp (Perry Hutchison) writes:


>   Am I the only one who thinks it a bit peculiar to require sleepwear, but
>   not daywear, to be flame-resistant?  Seems to me a kid is far more likely
>   to encounter an ignition source while up and around than while asleep.

I have tought about this to. I hadn'y even heard about
flame-restistant sleepwear until a mounth ago when I saw my sister
(who is living in the US and was wisiting us for the hollydays) put
her son to bed and asked about the strange fabric in his pyjamas. Its
treated with some flame-reterdant (sp?) she said and when I asked why
She couldn't say. So now I am asking you: Why are sleepwear required
to be flame-resistant?

--
Stefan Hellstrand (INF)                               hellstra@aton.abo.fi
Turku, Finland                                        shellstrand@abo.fi
                     "Tough guys don't dance"
From: perryh@marie.uucp (Perry Hutchison)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Flammability (was: Re: A few Questions)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:05:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: marie.1993Jan21.100513.17157
Organization: St Mary's Academy, Portland Oregon

In <1993Jan13.023714.9282@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:

> in the USA any infant garment sold as sleepwear has to meet
> certain levels of inflammability.

Am I the only one who thinks it a bit peculiar to require sleepwear, but
not daywear, to be flame-resistant?  Seems to me a kid is far more likely
to encounter an ignition source while up and around than while asleep.

---
perryh%marie@pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu  ("should" work)
marie!perryh@pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu  (if above bounces)
Guest account -- not affiliated with St. Mary's Academy.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com (barter,elizabeth)
Subject: Re: Bang me on the head
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:05:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.192907.11419@cs.ucla.edu>, geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:
> occurred to me to ask a different question:
> 
> "Do you know what a stranger is?"
> 
> "Sure!  It's somebody who might grab you and take you away."
> 
> Oops.
> -- 
> 	Geoff Kuenning	geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu	geoff@ITcorp.com

When my sister was going through this with her kids, she went 
through a list of people: the checker at the supermarket, the mailman, 
the UPS man, etc.  And asked who was a stranger and who was not.
She told them that even though you might see someone all the time,
EVERYONE is a stranger unless you go to their house with Mommy & 
Daddy or they come to your house when Mommy & Daddy are home or
say it's ok (like babysitters).  It seemed to work for them.

Beth
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher)
Subject: Re: music (and jaccuzi's) in labor rooms
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:44:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

When my wife and I had our first child, there was one of these
whirlpool baths. After getting checked in and during one long
waiting period, I thought it was great for some free reading time.
My wife watched MTV and sucked ice and I had a nice bath. 

My wife took one look at the thing and said "Yeah right, me get
down into that thing???. Where would all the water go????"
From: miller@FS1.cam.nist.gov (Bruce R. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Diaper training (was: Developmental Milestones: Humorous)
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:54:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NIST - Computing and Applied Mathematics Laboratory


In article <2527@shaman.wv.tek.com>, Alan Jeddeloh writes:
> (With apologies to Diane Segelhorst):
> Jan and I were contemplating developmental milestones and have decided that
> the baby book writers are all wet.  We've been working on our own list of
> milestones, which we feel more accurately reflects your child's true
> development.  ....

My 2 1/2 year old is just now being potty trained (I hope) -- we tried
earlier but she didn't seem interested, so we didn't push it.

I got yesterday off for the Inauguration (I'm a .gov), so I felt obliged to
at least watch it on tv.  Daniela was in the other room playing quietly,
so I told her to call me if she needed to go potty, and I went to watch
TV.  After a while I hear "Daddy, I made peepee".  I come in and ask
"Did you go to the potty?", "nope", "In you're pants?","Yes"... but
they're dry!  Then I notice that she's not wearing the clothes I'd put on
her!  She'd taken off the wet clothes, put them in the bathtub and
changed.
OK, so I went back to the tv.  Awhile later I peak in to see how she's
doing... Whoops, now she's wearing a skirt !?!

She went through 3 or 4 changes of clothes that day.  
I guess that's progress on the potty training front!
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Flammability (was: Re: A few Questions)
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:05:00 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.204253.14902@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes...
> 
>Of course, sleepwear is really whatever the child sleeps in, whether
>it's marketed as such or not.  The law does not force parents to dress
>their children in flame-resistant garments.
> 

In the recent issue of New Scientist there is a report on a study of 
flammability of clothing. It found that women and children were more likely 
to be burned than men, because they were more likely to wear long, loose 
clothing. (Of course, women might be more likely to use the stove, too.) 
Loose fitting clothes are more likely to come close to an ignition source 
without the wearer noticing, and a beltless costume creates a chimney effect 
with ventilation from both inside and outside the garment, so that combustion
becomes very rapid. Tight fitting clothing does not do this, and the wearer
is likely to notice the heat before the flames have got very far. 

So I guess pyjamas are safer than nightgowns.

--
 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: Fun stuff with kids
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:09:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.223433.14370@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <2522@shaman.wv.tek.com>, alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh) writes:
>
>[Alan writes about Laura trying to get mommy and daddy to operate *her* toys]
>
>> But I can see the report from first grade already:  "Laura does not apply
>> herself, and often tries to get the other children to do her work for her."
>> :-) :-)  :-)  :-)
>
>
>Ah, but Alan, you aren't visualizing far enough into the future.  Her first
>performance review in a career track job: "Great managerial potential...
>delegates mundane tasks in completely effective and appropriate manner" :) :) :)

This cracked me up.  During our family reunion Christmas in Hell, all the
kids (that would be me, my kids are the grandkids) got out their books where
Dad keeps momentoes of each child (intersting, we all got records of our
college tuition, camp bills, and reciepts for braces - says something about
Dad, now doesn't it?).  I found my first grade report card and Ron and I
cracked up.  I haven't changed a bit.  This was a private school so it was
a three page report.  I brought it to work to help my boss as he was in the
middle of my review.  

What I was good at in first grade still applies:
	
	Shows creativeness and expresses her individuality.
	Shows initiative and resourcefulness.
	Shows ability in solving problems independently.
	Shows intellectual curiosity.
	Approaches her work in a receptive mood.
	Expresses her ideas clearly and effectively.  "Her spontaneity and 
		expressiveness add to the charm of her speech."

What I was bad at in first grade still applies:

	Does not follow directions promptly and effeciently.
	Does not take pride in the appearance of her work.
	Does not assume responsibility for the orderly care of her possessions.
	Is not neat in personal appearance.
	


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake