From: robinson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Hunters Needed
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:12:40 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep30.215312.20669@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:
> In article <gdlzxbk@rpi.edu> vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten) writ
> es:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>John, I agree with you that such hatred is of an ill-conceived
>>stereotype.  But have you ever noticed just how strong this emotion is
>>in our AR friends?  It strikes me that the roots lie even deeper than
>>you allude.  Could it not be that the hatred does indeed come from a
>>hatred of oneself, simply because the true targets of the hatred
>>(friends and loved ones that aren't AR-types) cannot be hated easily,
>>in addition to the cause you mention above?  All this emotion seems to
>>build up to a tidal wave which spews forth at the only source readily
>>available to vent it (ironically hunters -- the biggest pro-animal
>>group around).

Yes, I have noticed.  I find it very akin to other group hatreds.  It is
generally best described as an intense bigotry.  The hater's mind is made
up.

Unfortuately, such hatreds are rarely examined closely by the one who owns
them.  In my experience it usually takes an extreeme situation to correct 
this.

>>******************************************************************************
>>               John S. Van Etten     vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu
>>       Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute  1000 MIPS GaAs F-RISC Project
>>       --"If sand didn't irritate oysters, there would be no pearls"--
> 
> Two points and a question:  1)  People, especially people who live in
> urban areas, will not know many hunters nowadays.  The stereotype is
> easily made--Jennifer probably (I hope) likes many people she knows who are
> meat eaters, obviously they just didn't personally kill their lunch;
> 2)  in spite of the almost unanimous good sense and tolerance
> exhibited by the hunters in this group with their lofty goals of only
> hunting what they eat and aiming for a quick kill there are slob hunters
> out there who a) enjoy killing and b) could care less if the animals
> suffers when they kill;
> 3)  I have such a fellow who hunts on the farmland I rent.  I suspect
> he is up in his deer stand drinking beer while he waits for his deer.
> I am not saying that he is drunk; he probably puts down a 12 pack per
> day regardless of whether he is hunting or not.  Because I am not a
> hunter I want to know if among hunters drinking beer while hunting is
> just considered "slob hunting" or in fact is illegal in certain states?

Well, I consider it slob hunting.  It is also illegal here.  Think of it
this way, is drinking and driving illegal in your area?  It should be, for
one is operating a dangerous piece of hardware while potentially 
intoxicated.  Ditto for hunting, or more to the point, even shooting.  Just 
as operating a vehicle while intoxicated should not be tolerated, 
possessing a loaded weapon with intent to operate (1/2 :) should be illegal 
too.

-- 
John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
DOD #0069
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