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From: delilah@next09epsl.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:21:11 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

> >> >If you have to ask why people ride a Harley you would not understand  
> >the answer!
> >>  
> >> Try me.
> >> 
> >> Why do people ride Harleys?
> >> 
> >> ---
> >> Ed Green, former Ninjaite
> >
> >very simple: because they want to be seen riding harleys, they want  
people  
> >to know they ride harleys, and they want to be thought of as harley  
> >riders. it took me a long time to understand this, since i don't care  
what  
> >people think of my ride, as long as i get to ride it. whatever floats  
yer  
> >boat, i guess...
> >
> >-D-
> >('88 honda hawk gt 650)
> 
> To put it bluntly Mr. DeVerona, what a bunch of bullshit.  Even more to 
> the point, how the fuck would you know, since by your signature you do
> not even ride a Harley.  God I love self appointed experts telling us 
> how things are because they "know" what the situation "really" is. 
> 
> Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new   
improved
> 1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 |  
smaller sig

how the fuck do i know? because, since the answer was not at all obvious,  
i took the dual-pronged approach (don't get excited, jim) to answering the  
question; i looked into it myself (i.e., took rides on harleys to see if  
there was any advantage from a pure riding viewpoint; there wasn't) and  
asked harley riders about there choice whenever i'd meet any (several  
dozen, before i came to any conclusions; not enough to guarentee accuracy,  
but a statistically valid sample, at least for this area).

btw, it's due to irrational responses like yours that i don't let my real  
name get out on the net, if i can help it. if you really have a  
disagreement with my conclusions, why don't you describe how great your  
ride is instead of attacking me ad hominem?

-D-
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: SS Allen Bolts
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:33:07 GMT
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

In article <Bw4HMA.M2n@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
(The Nashville Flash) writes:
|> In article <Bw2t0J.6Mx@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan
|> Fleming) writes:
|> >I'd like to do this for my bike, but I've been unable to find any
|> place
|> >accept the dealer for purchsing SS Allen bolts.  Anyone know of a
|> secret
|> >distributor?
|> 
|> Look in the Real Yellow Pages(r) under "Bolts and Nuts."  Call
|> before
|> you go to make sure they carry metric SS Allen stuff.  Failing that,
|> go
|> to an aircraft service company (probably QUITE close to the airport
|> :-) and
|> visit their parts counter.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And remember to bring plenty of vasiline or its equivilent.
Like on a rescue squad we bought a porta power from a fire
rescue supply house at discount and then saw the same thing
in snap-on for (a rarity) half the price, it was even the right
color red.

-- 
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                 and TARGETS !!!
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Internet: fist@iscp.belcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I by my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:22:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 12989@megatek.com, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>
>  I'm still not quite sure which group Seth belongs in...  

Group W, along with the father-rapers and mother-stabbers, filling out
forms and playing with the pencils.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Open-face helmets
Summary: Sour Grapes
Keywords: suck
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:22:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct13.142254.1667
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct12.132627.26656@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>

    ***    [   significant, well reasoned, discussion deleted   ]    ***
    ***    [   but is synopsized in next paragraph below        ]    ***


>Musing about how bugs get smashed in my eyes or my 
>chin getting ground off of my face pisses me off.
>You're no different from the people that like to 
>tell me how easily I can die on a motorcycle.
>
>This newsgroup is starting to suck.

It's intuitively obvious that he's standing too close to the air intake!


>-- 
> Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
> 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
> Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
> 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Blue over blue pipes
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:24:10 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson) writes:
>Blue pipes are just something that happens on some motorcycles.  Your
>dealer will usually have a blue removing product.  I think the name
>of it is something like "Blue Away."

While "Blue Away" will remove the blueing from the pipes, it will
also remove the chrome, or at least the chrome luster.  The pipes
with end up with a very dull metallic look.  I think the pipes on
the 'Bago looked better with the blueing than they did after using
this stuff.  Never again - if my future pipes go blue, I'll live
with them that way.

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
                        you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
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From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: Ignore - a test
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:34:31 GMT

My theory is that Laz actually forges these posts, so that he can 
reply to them in his unimitable way.

--
Stef            aka  spgo@is.morgan.com   DoD#0190 
'82 KZ550 (Commuter) '84 750 Interceptor (Toy) '86 Alfa GTV6 (Money drain)
                Warning: I brake for radar traps. 
        Disclaimer? I don't need no steenkin' disclaimer!
From: benjamin@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Benjamin Renaud)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:55:30 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <2891@monarch.array.com> kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy) writes:
>zaphod@lamar.ColoState.EDU wrote:
-: In article <1992Sep30.060617.9179@elektro.cmhnet.org- root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
-: -In article <973@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com- jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
-: --alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
-: --
-: ---In article <1992Sep22.171217.26263@dcs.qmw.ac.uk-, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
-: 
-: ---I'd drink to that, but this damned face shield is in the way.
-: --Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
-: --consume liquid refreshments while suited up?

Use a straw?
From: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Which Side To Mount?
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: ravi@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct15.224605.29780@ncsu.edu>, harsh@ecerl2.ece.ncsu.edu (Harsh Potlapalli) writes:
|> 
|> (head check to make sure nobody's listening; in whispers)

	you aren't going to get away with this one!!! ;)

|> a v-e-s-p-a for about 4 years. then an ind-suzuki 100cc for 4 years.

	uggh! a scooter!!! no wonder! you have that kick start on the
	left and behind and jump on it till your feet come apart.... no
	wonder you need to mount from the right!!!! the ind-suzuki...
	was it one of the first run things??? they say the first few
	were way better than the rest.

	peace,

	- ravi

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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:13:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.131914.16332@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.152140.8162@news.yale.edu> 
>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>"Harley loses a lot of customers by not building sport bikes."
>>Seeing as Harley basically sells it's entire production NOW, how is
>>it going to sell more bikes by building sport bikes?
>
>If they make more bikes, they can sell more bikes.  If they sell more
>bikes, they can make more money.  If they make more money, they can invest
>it in new production facilities and hire more workers.  If they expand
>their production facilities and hire more workers, they can make more
>bikes, sell them all, and make even more money.  Generally speaking, this
>is how capitalism works.  Film at eleven.
The fact that they are currently selling all the bikes they make
suggests that it would be far simpler to simply make more of the bikes
that they currently make, rather than invest much money in retooling
to design, produce, etc. an entirely new kind of bike.

Remember that the point here is to net more money, not gross more
money. To increase one's gross at the expense of high development
costs is not always a win. 

-Ekr




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Eric Rescorla, DoD#431 (Nighthawk S)              rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
Former chemist now CM400 mechanic                 ekr@eitech.com(preferred)
        "God gets off on a technicality. Film at 11" --CJ Silverio
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: re: Llamas and golf, anyone?
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 16:26:29 GMT

Article 38243 (273 more) in rec.motorcycles:


>I heard mention on the radio this morning that some golf course in the U.S.
>(sorry, can't remember where) has a couple of llamas for use as caddies.
^^^^^^^
>They are allowed anywhere on the course except the greens and the tee-off
>areas.  Perhaps this is an environmentally friendly alternative to golf
>carts?  Hmmm, I suppose that depends on when they last ate....

      If you are going to a formal dinner at the country club,
can you use one as a Lincoln Town car?

Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"Hard asses ride hardtails"
			Roaddirt  1958
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Bzzzzt!  Was: How to break-in new rings?
Summary: Bon Ami
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:53:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.125620.9799@linus.mitre.org> cgates@mitre.org
(Curt Gates) writes:
>Actually, though, Bon Ami is a scouring powder for kitchen and bathroom 
>fixtures.  It is made from finely ground feldspar, a mineral that is 
>harder than steel and porcelain.

It's made from mostly-decomposed feldspar, a mineral that's
slightly softer than ceramic tile but harder than most
things that stain the tile.  The feldspar fractures into
tiny, flat plates that do a good job of cleaning tile
without scratching it.

>For years, the company advertised the 
>motto - never scratched yet- and used a baby chick as a logo.  Of course, 
>the stuff was an abrasive and it scratched in a big way,  and left a 
>semi-gloss finish from microscopic scratches.

They had a quality-control problem for a while.  They made
some batches of cleanser from rock that also contained
some grains of hard minerals that scratched tiles.  Their
reputation has recovered somewhat from that fiasco.


I heard of the abrasives-down-the-carburetor trick in the
context of causing leaky rings to seal on a junker
automobile that was on its last legs.  The drill was to mix
a few tablespoons of Bab-O (similar cleanser to Bon Ami)
with a cup of kerosene or Diesel fuel, remove the air
cleaner, hold the throttle wide open, and pour in the
kerosene fast enough to almost make the engine stall.  My
informant said that he'd tried it once and it worked.

You'd have to be nuts to do this on a newly-rebuilt
motorcycle engine, not to mention the difficulty of
pouring the mixture into a side-draft carburetor.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Books and beeping bulbs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:09:09 GMT

Are there any good books about motorcycle riding techniques?  The MSF
workbook gave some tips, but it wasn't very detailed, and we didn't get to
keep them anyway.  I've seen advertisements for books about racing; how
useful is that for street riding?

Also, I think it might be useful to have an audible signal on my turn
signals (some busses have them).  I've heard of beeping bulbs for cars, but 
never actually seen one.  Is there something like that for motorcycles? 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
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From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (NATHANIEL ROBERT MENDELL)
Subject: Any news/advice from zx10 owners?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:36:37 GMT


Hey folks--

I just picked up a used zx10 a couple of weeks ago and am looking for any
information fom other 10 owners who have put a few miles on theirs. I'd
love to hear about anything from common wuirks to good after market mods.  Many thanks...

Nathaniel
Amherst College
zx1
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Dead Battery Problem
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: portal.DUKE.92Oct12120057
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization

In article <1992Oct11.180303.5560@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

   But I would be very interested in the technique for
   picking up a dropped bike. 

I do it backwards.  Like, get the small of your back against the
seat (or thereabouts), grab the bar that goes near the rear fender
(Don't you have one of these?) and the handlebar and straighten 
up.  This uses your thighs, which are (usually) the strongest
muscles you've got.

Please, no cracks about how I've had to do this enough times to
optimize the process.

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
From: merenda@ratt.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Carrying things on a Nighthawk
Summary: carrying stuff---
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:48:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct7.044852.12933@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> I bought my first motorcycle today, a 1984 Honda Nighthawk 650.  I bought
> it from someone at work; it's now at the dealer recovering from a mechanical 
> inspection (which it passed), and I'll pick it up tomorrow. 
> 
> I'm going to want to carry groceries, luggage, etc. on it occasionally.  It
> came with a small saddle bag which could perhaps carry two cans of
> Coca-Cola, but not much else.  Any recommendations for larger capacity
> carriers?  I'm interested in hearing about specific makes and models of
> bags/baskets/carriers, or general information on what to look for and what
> to avoid? 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107




Jack-

Congrats on the bike!

i have a 1980 Honda CX500, and the best thing that i probally have
ever done is gotten a KZ (tm) sissy bar and a KZ (tm) "trunk" for
the back. the trunk slides right on the back of the sissy bar 
and has 2 added lights for extra visibility. you can easily fit 
2 helmets and some other stuff in it, it's great for small trips to the
store and stuff like that. and if you have to bring more stuff, (i.e.
touring) you can always tie a gym bag or something like that to the 
front of the sissy bar w/bungee (tm) cords or rope. 

there is one important drawback to all  this. if you put all this 
extra weight, like a full trunk, a full gym bag, ect, that high
on the bike IT WILL AFFECT your handling of the bike!!!!!!!!!!!
so if you do decide to go this route, be careful until you can safely
judge the differences in handling. 

best of luck-

-ride safe-

-frank merenda-

DoD#0723  / KotC (coffee)
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Rusty aluminum wheel
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:17:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) says:
> 
> My RZ, and apparently a lot of other bikes, from the ease they had in
> finding a used one off another wheel, has sealed wheel bearings, at least
> in the back.

Unfortunately, Yamahas (and probably most other Japanese bikes) do NOT!
use sealed bearings. They use half-sealed bearings: the side that faces
out is sealed. The side that faces inside the wheel IS NOT SEALED! Any
water that gets in between the two bearings is easily able to get inside
the guts of the bearings, wash out the grease, and destroy it.

Identical bearings that ARE sealed on both sides are available from any
good bearing supply house. They are slightly (i.e. pennies) more expensive,
but still loads cheaper than a stock replacement from Yamaha.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: REPOST (Please Read): Homemade Alarm / Kill-Switch
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:47:56 GMT



 [A slight error in my previous post.  This is the correct diagram. -TG]

 
      This alarm costs under $10 to make, and incorporates an engine-kill  
 as well as a tilt-sensor.  I swiped the mercury-switch idea from a letter  
 a couple of years ago in Cycle World, then added my own refinements.  (I  
 saw a similar diagram recently in, I think, Motor Cyclist, but mine is  
 still better. ;-)  I found an alarm siren in a junkyard for $5;  
 alternatively you could go to Radio Crap and pick up a 12-volt siren, but  
 it may not be as loud.  Or use the bike's horn instead, if it's loud  
 enough.  You also need a mercury switch and a 3-position (On-Off-On)  
 toggle switch.  Here's the diagram:
 
                    toggle
         ignition   switch                              ground
            {o}         /                                 _                                                                                                                                                                     
	     |      ___/_                                ___
             |     [_____]                              _____
             |      I I I                                 |
             \------o | |                                 |
   -   + -------------o o--------------o######o           |/
   [___]                                      |-----------[|
  battery                              mercury             \
 		                       switch           siren  
 
      The mercury switch is clamped to a cross tube on the bike's frame so  
 that the glob of mercury closes the connection with the siren when the  
 bike is tipped off the sidestand.  The toggle switch has three positions:  
flipped to one side it turns off the alarm and lets you ride normally;  
flipped to the other it "arms" the alarm and kills the ignition.  The  
center position kills the ignition without turning on the alarm -- useful  
if you're using the centerstand or parking on a hill.  The circuit uses no  
power until the bike is tipped; you can leave it on for weeks and not  
worry about killing the battery.
      The toggle switch must be hidden somewhere in the bodywork.  A big,  
 labeled, orange switch right on the handlebars is not a good bet.  Be  
 creative; put it somewhere nearly impossible to find.  (For obvious  
 reasons I won't make suggestions here.)  
 
      For the real homebrewer:  Radio Crap sells a remote-control outlet  
 switch; press a button on the remote and it cuts power to your stereo,  
TV, vibrator, whatever.  Take apart the outlet unit and splice it in  
directly (don't use the ignition wire) between the battery and the mercury  
switch, eliminating the toggle.  Run the ground wire back through the  
other terminal of the "outlet" before grounding it.  This way a thief  
can't disable it by finding a hidden kill-switch.    
 
 TG  DoD #4043
 --
 tgrupe@watserv.ucr.edu
 
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 What are you reading this for?
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Flame Bait (was: Re: Drag racing)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: harmons@mithril.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization

>>"Victimless crime" is an oxymoron.
>
>Not true.  Smoking dope is a victimless crime, many times.
>-- 

I wonder if the people who care for crack babies would agree with you.
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The Lockheed Star FB-750 (fighter bike) (was: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 15 Oct 1992 02:43:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct14.184103.2422@bnr.ca>, mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael
Beavington) wrote:
> You also would
> have a 'heads up' display inside your helmet

That wouldn't be that hard actually, anyone want to take a crack
at it?

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
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