HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A hope
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:00:57 GMT

Tuya wrote:
          China is losing its cutting edge day by day. 

I told you that we need to keep taking more protein for 5 generations.
That is not merely for medals, but for what medals stand for.

          I have found
          that we are good at short distance things, such as 100m,
          200m, 4x100 relay etc.  We are not a country that produces
          Marathon winners.

You forgot Mr. Zhang GuangNian, again. We are a country lasting thousands
of years. What we lack of, is protein. When I was in a village in 1965,
the farmers there had twice of meat per year: Spring Festival and 10-1.
Otherwise they eat wheat and corn for all the year. And they were satisfied
because in previous years they did not have enough corn to eat. Do you expect
their kids able to run Marathon?

BTW, thanks for nominating me as cook for Chinese fellows in Bacelora.
Have you got any response yet? Is interview required?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: afriend@dew.Princeton.EDU (A. Friend)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won Gold Medal
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:50:37 GMT

>>But U.S. swimmers and coaches are candid with their suspicions. Results
>>at the Asian Games had shown a drastic drop in times from two years ago.
>>Sunday night Zhuang, ranked fourth in the world with a time of 55.27,
>>quickened to 54.64. Lin went from 4:47.15 to 4:36.73 within four months.
>>
>>"There's no proof; they've never been caught." said Haislett, who finished
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>fourth in the 100-meter freestyle with a time of 55.17. "There's been
>>speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's nothing you can do
>>about it."
> 

Since both Zhuang and Lin are only about 15 years old, it is possible that
they still look boyish. On the other hand, the platform diving bronze holder
is already 29 years old and indeed looks strange.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:00:25 GMT


Thank you very much for your answer.

Robert Sanders
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Medicine
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:05:59 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

theo@tubprz.prz.tu-berlin.de (Teodor Pirkmayer) writes:
|> Hi everybody,
|> 
|> I am posting the following article for a friend of mine.
|> She is interested in Traditional Chinese Medicine (acupuncture, acupressure,
|> moxibustion, qigong, etc...) and would like to learn more about these
|> topics. She is looking for :
|> 
|> - Literature ( english or german )
|> - Training Centers and Courses ( in Germany, China, or other fareast countries).
|> - Any other information about Traditional Chineses Medicine

There are a few (not many) good books (all in Chinese) on theories
of Traditional Chinese Medicine. And there are some megazines
also in this area, but most are in Chinese. Depending on your
friends objective, if she just want some info., that is difficult
because the demand is so small and I haven't found any english
books even just giving an introduction to the subject. There
are courses offered in mainland china on traditional medicine
for foreigners, but they are very expensive. California also
has a number of "Chinese medicine institutes" that teach chinese
medicines, but I'm skeptical about their qualities. If she
plans to do research on that, the best way is probably to make
some contacts with universities/institutes in mainland china
or taiwan and most importantly, learn chinese language first.
In mainland china, doctors pursuing traditional chinese medicine
have to learn ancient chinese language and read those ancient
chinese books, a task not many even chinese can do today.

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Looking for LUO, Aihua in Windsor, Canada (From HUST)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:23:45 CDT

LUO Aihua from Huazhong University of Science & Technology (HUST) in Wuhan. 
Came to US in 1989 then to Windsor University in Canada.  Anybody has 
information about him please let me know or forward this message to him. 
Thanks a lot in advance.

Yidao CAI cai@neurophys.wisc.edu  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (Re: incident)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:33:05 GMT

In article <2A6CB967.2484@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>No, Mao is NOT a destruction oriented person.  Mao established a country, which
>is called as "New China".  Weather this "New China" is better or worse than 
>the "Old China" should be another issue, but only blinds cannot see the
>difference between "Old China" and "New China".  Mao is aggreesive and full
>of HuanXiang (illusion?).  
>
New does not neccessarily mean good, especially with many million
people's life. (luckily it is not mine)

>Deng Xiaoping is a kind of manager type person.  If someone already founded a
>company such as the "P R China Corporation", he can work as a manager at this
>corporation.  In other words, if Mao did not exist, and if Chiang Kai-shek 
>still were the emperor of China and keep doing the corruptive things, Deng
>Xiaoping will *definately* NOT be able to destroy Chiang Kai-shek to establish
>a different China.
>
I can not remember whether Mao said this or not, that it is easy to take
over a country but it is difficult to rule a country. (Da Tian Xia Yi,
Zhuo Tian Xia Nang)

>Mao is a senior politician, Deng is a "tech"-politician.  Mao knew how to 
>control his people, Deng knows how to cheat his people.
>
Yes, Mao killed several million people while Deng several thousend.

>But, please be advised that we have millions of qualified personnels to work 
>as the manager of "P R China Corporation".  Let alone myself, most of the SCC
>readers can handle a better job than Deng.
>
You don't need to prove it, and everybody is happy.

>Also, please ask yourselves a question: why the Chinese seldom (almost never)
>support the real genuine people to be their "emperors"?
>
Seldom American elect genuine people to be their president.
Roman had a few talent people to be their emperors. But many of them
were ruthless tyrants.

>shannon
--------
Tingli Pan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:49:56 GMT

>>> When I turned on the TV in the middle of the 400 women IM metal ceremony,
>>> I eyes naturally focused on the Asian (Lin Li) first.  Oh, it's a man.
>>> It must be a man's event.  But wait a second, the gold and bronze medallists
>>> were all women.  I was confused for a long while until the TV displayed
>>> do not know how muscular she is.
>>
>>Canadian CTV broadcasted a short interview with Li.  Boy, what a voice,
>>coarse and low, more masculine than many males :-).  The translator spoke
>>sweet feminine English.  I got confused at first, Li Lin's English is that
>>good?  It took me quite a while to realized that the "male" voice was in
>>Mandarin :-).
>>
>>    Zhuang Yong's physique looks exactly like Li's.  Fortunately, the Silver
>>Medallist Jenny Thompson is a fair-looking girl, it convinced me that Zhuang's
>>record is reachable for women.
>>
>>
>	Have you guys also studied Mary Ellen Clark who took the bronze for
>Women's 10-meter platform? She looks like a man to me.

Another one there is also ...

There are a lot of these kinds of female athelets there. Please don't
get jelousy if we happen to find they are stronger than us. :-( 

>	Are you guys watching the games or watching the "it"'s?

Yes, let's find some more for fun. :-(

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yfeng@kirk.ecs.umass.edu (Youlin Feng)
Subject: Re: IFCSS HQ Special Report 4016: Phone/Fax Numbers of House Judiciary
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:49:22 GMT

Those Congressmen and Congresswomen are not happy  with Chinese these
days. Some of their "Favorite" Gold dreams were shattered by Chinese in
Spain.

        So,  
                          Shi1 Xiang4 Dian3 Er
                          Bu2 Yao4 Zi4 Tao3 Mei2 Qu4.

Cross your fingers and say a few prayers and hope all Chinese athelates
are defeated by American-----your favorite prospective compatriot.:)
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to Translate?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:16:14 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami



In article <13811@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca writes:
|    In article <1772@kluge.fiu.edu> (27 Jul 92) stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
|writes,
| 
|> Seems most people liked the interpretation of this verse [jiang1 shan1
|> yi1 jiu4 zai4, ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2] as "contrast." 
|
|I agree with you that this verse is not to contrast the solidity
|of the space with the transiency of time.  What Mr. Luo said is, probably,
|that neither the Earth (Qing1 Shan1) nor the Heaven (Xi2 Yang2) have changed
|much.

Glad you agreed with me. Let's give each other a pat on the back, since
Earthy Lassie (TuYa) has ranked us at the bottom of her list. 8-).

I didn't intend to translate this verse. I only wanted to interpret it.
The main theme of many Chinese classic is the cyclic nature of society,
from Mr. Luo's 'unity after division, division after unity' to Mr. Chao's
'Oh, well' song (Hao3Liao3 Ge1, how is this translation? 8-)).

|The implied is very sentimental :-), came and gone are only those
|gangsters and emperors, plus their ministers and generals.

Whether this is sentimental, I guess, depends on your class. From 'when
will be the end of spring flowers and autumn moons?' (CunHua QiuYue He
Shi Liao) class to 'wait for me in twenty years' (ErShi Nian Hou YouShi
YiTiao HaoHan) class, we have sickening sentimental and stupidly naive
types. But a silver-haired fisherman, truly grasped the perpetuity
of Yangtze waves, can ride on his little sampan, enjoy the forever
beautiful scenary, and be completely content with the tempo and pattern
of social evolution.
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: NBC 7pm News tonight and the two bills
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:05:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul28.222926.19651@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> YANG GUANG <G_YANG@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> writes:
>
>[With news sources from AP and Reuter]:
> 
>          A Chinese government shopping delegation headed by
>the Deputy Director of National Economic Planning
>Commission, Mr. Gan Ziyue, is in the U.S.A.  The delegation
>will purchase a large quantity of automobiles from all big
>three U.S. auto makers, Ford, Chrysler and GM.  According to
>the delegation, this is a good well mission of Chinese
>people to help the U.S. economy recover.
> 
>          

  July 6th  Aviation Week cover story

  'China blossoms as Aerospace Market'

  Editorials: " ... China aprroved an order for 40 additional MD-90s
                                             =======================
  ... $1.3 billion coproduction agreement ... China also has 57 Boeings
     ===================
on firm back order ... While China's strong aircraft and equipment
purchasing must be welcome to Westernaerospace suppliers hurt by recession"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:45:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.031851.4915@ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
>
>Most Americans may not good in telling male from female Asians, but
>you should have the problem to tell a Chinese woman from a man.
>
>When I turned on the TV in the middle of the 400 women IM metal ceremarny,
>I eyes naturally focused on the Asian (Lin Li) first.  Oh, it's a man.
>It must be a man's event.  But wait a second, the gold and bronze metalists
>were all women.  I was confused for a long while until the TV displayed
>the name "Lin Li."  I've not had a chance to see Zhuang Yong yet and
>do not know how muscular she is.
>
>Lin Li is a breast-stroke swimmer.  But her muscles and body definitely do
>not look like a breast-stroke swimmer.  When you see Ben Johnson, you
>know that his muscle is not a spinter's muscle.  He looked like a
>body builder.
>

There are more than 1.1 billion people in China. I think you can find some 
man-look like ladies there. How do you tell from just looking at one
person and tell the gender. Come on guys, ladies can do body-building too.
Just trun on your TV on ESPN, you will be amazed how the ladies get their
bady shape changed. I am not denying or saying these swimmers used any
illegal drugs, but it is not scientific to make such a judgement from
your impression. 

Ye Qiaobo (the speed skater from Ha Erbin) was banned once from competition
because she was caught for having used illegal drug. She talked openly during
last Winter Olympics in Canada. 

There are users of illegal drugs among atheletes. But don't say anyone who
win a gold must be an illegal-drug user.
From: wangj@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jie Wang )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Air plane crash
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:48:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Just heard from local radio news: a Chinese air plane crashed
at Naijing airport and more than 100 passengers and the whole
crew were killed.


--Jie Wang
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: some thoughts
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:49:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Nationalism only divides people.  Nationalism makes war, not love.
Have a little less nationalism.  Be a Universal Man.
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:44:36 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <3995@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>
>As I reminber, Pinto is listed in not-to-buy in consumer report back a
>few years ago.  The problem is gas tank design - easy to catch fire.
>
>I used to be a used-car buyer ;-)

You mean you are not now. Really sorry for you.
Actually, Pinto(sounded really bad in Chinese, isn't it? :-) is not
that bad, and certainly can be much more fun than the Tempo.
Ever seen a Pinto racing? 
 
>>$10,631 a copy. 
>
>That's too high :(

That's money down the drain. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gm2@cec1.wustl.edu (Guo Mian)
Subject: Re: San Mao & Qiong Yao's Books
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:45:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.031407.2008@burrhus.harvard.edu> qw@isr.harvard.edu (Qinqin Wang) writes:
>It seems I have taken too many drugs or junks, and I think I would still
>I used to love San Mao's books, but after her suicide, I began to doubt her
>sincerity as depicted in her books. Anyone got any hypothesis on why she
>killed herself?
>

She was too LONELY! She wanted everybody believed she was really happy.
She made up all these stories about her life in order to make people
admire her life.  Maybe had she learnt that there were so many people
in this world admiring her, she probably would not have commited suicide.

On a second thought, I think she probably knew there were a lots of people
worshipping her.  But those people could communicate with her. People
who could really understand such a soul probably would not worship her at
all.  These is a common dilemma for all proud souls.

I have never read any San Mao's books.  Just simply not interested.  All 
I know about Sao Mao's stories were from a female friend who is a San Mao's
admirer.  I told my friend I smelt a rat on the stories about her life.
San Mao's fate confirmed my suspicion.
From: hengyi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Heng-Yi Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Free Election
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:00:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>>>government based on the political organisations we know, which party will win
>>>the elections and which party do you vote?
>>>
>>>My vote is:
>>>Names                                               Votes
>>>1) CCP;                                               1 
>>>2) IFCSS;                                             0  
>>>3) Democracy party (Is there this party?);            0
>>>4) Is there any other party?                          0
>>>
>>>I will vote CCP under two conditions, (1) changing his prime minister;
>>>(2) continuing the economic reform.  I don't vote IFCSS, because I doubt
>>>that it is an independent organisation.  Being politically and economically
>>>independent from foreigners, foreign organisations and governments is
>>>the basic condition for a political organisation to be operated in China. 
>>>
>> 
>>How about the party that has created a miracle in Taiwan ?
>>5) KMT							1
>
>Are sure that KMT will also creat a miracle in mainland?

I believe the FACTS.
Actually, what I think really matters is the political system.

>> 
>>I doubt if you will vote for CCP unless you are blind of what has been achieved and how many people have been killed on mainland China.
>> 
>>Well, a much easier question is :
>>Where will you go after you finish your degree ?
>
>It is for sure that I will not go to Taiwan.

I'm sure that you dare not answer the question.

>A question for you: 
>Why so many Taiwanese not go back to taiwan?

1.> Until now, the salary is higher in the states.
2.> The environment is much better in the states.
3.> Some people love to be Americans.
4.> Threat from CCP, the killing machine.

The facts are :
Many of my friends have returned to Taiwan.
It is even hard to find an assistant professor position in the universities
since there are too many Ph.Ds.
Of course, I'm not saying what the government did are perfect.
There are many problems that require to be resolved.
When thinking the future of China, Taiwan has provided a perfect template for
	WHAT CHINESE CAN BE !

If you are still under the control of CCP, I won't be surprised.
But if you are free to express your own opinions,
Please ask your CONSCIOUSNESS, if there exists.
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Playing Go (Wei Qi) on internet
Keywords: go, weiqi, receation, game
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:20:43 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

Hi! I just find a place to play Go on the network. I believe there are many
Go lovers among Chinese reading scc and I also believe that the art of Go is
one of the most splendid Chinese culture we all should share with. You can
get all information including introduction, tutorials, tools and many programs
and records by ftp at 'ftp.u.washington.edu' at the directory /public/go.
There are three Go servers on the internet where people can play Go with each
other through telnet. The commands to reach these servers are:
	telnet lacerta.unm.edu 6969   (New Mexico)
	telnet icsib18.icsi.berkeley.edu 6969   (Berkeley, California)
	telnet cnam.cnam.fr 6969   (France)

The most interesting place is the Berkeley site. It is a better way to kill
your time than using irc. My nick name at the Berkeley server is df. See you
there!

-- 

Hui Huang		umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
			Tel: (204) 275-0165 (only between 2:00am and 3:00am)		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: CND Summer Olympics Special Issue (IV), July 31, 1992
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:19:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Of course NBC is biased on reporting events involving Americans.
Is Chinese media more neutral?  See below.  It's human nature.

In article <9207310442.AA09208@wurobot@wugate.wustl.edu> xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>             * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *
>
>Table of Contents                                                 # of Lines
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1. July 30: China Won Gold, Silver, and Bronzes ......................... 21
>2. China's Medal Count with Events & Names: July 26-30....................55
>3. Results of Other Events with Chinese Presence ........................ 21
>4. Medal Winners of Thursday, July 30 ................................... 60
>5. Total Medal Standings in the 25th Olympics as of Jul 30 .............. 38
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20768 soc.culture.taiwan:11144
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: what is chinese word for "fractal"?
Keywords: fractal
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:52:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

The chinese for "fractal" is that
       /  \        \ | /  /        /   /  \
      /    \        \|/  /_____   /   /  -----     
     / ____ \     ----- / \  /   --  / | --|--
    /  /  /  \      /|\    \/     /    | --|--
      /  /         / | \   /\    /--   | -----
     / \/         /  |  \ /  \     /   |
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: National Pride and Personal Commitment
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:39:48 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne


In the past few days, we saw Chinese winning a lot of gold medals in 
the Olympic Games, every Chinese in SCC here seems to have united 
in spirit and sharing the same pride. Unfortunately, when all these
finish, SCCers would once again fight against each other. It is sad.

As one netter mentioned, he(she) felt that he(she) could stand tall on
the streets and feel good being a Chinese. I can understand that. It is
amazing to look at what fellow countrymen have done for China. Can this
only be done through sports, through mathematics olympiad? How about
building up a democratic and free China? Shouldn't this make us even
prouder? Let's not talking about politics, I would ask how much of the
SCCers here would like to go back to China and make their contributions?
Li Zheng Dao and Yang Zhen Ning got Nobel Prize under US, their contributions
come under US in history; Qiu Cheng Tong obtained a Field Medal as a member
of the US. Could China ever produce these top class physicists and
mathematicians in China? Or do we have to seek pride from the work of our
fellow countrymen at home? How committed are we to build a better China so
that our fellow countrymen could show their pride?

Lin Can
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