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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:26:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject: Re: hilary or carl? tough choice!

> From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
> Subject:      Re: Re: hilary or carl? tough choice!
>
> j.b.:
> >Parents have responsibility for their children.  At this time,
> >there are laws that can have that changed, when these parents
> >are abusive.
>
> But do the current laws really work?

  Yes they do.

>
> Kerry

Carl
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:08:23 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Politics and Theology

Okay, I've had enough of this.

Since I apparently started this, let me simply reiterate that, when I
requested that theology be *linked* with politics when put on the net,
I was *not* saying that theology and politics can or should be
separated.  Just the opposite.  What I was responding to was a posting
that was *exclusively* an attack on the Christian religion, Christians
in general, and the person of Christ Himself.  Just as I would not
send a posting that consisted only of accusations that Islam was a
silly religion, pursued by people who are clearly religious zealots
brainwashed to accept the positions of Mohammed, neither do I think it
is proper here to simply ridicule another world religion, without
*any* reference to politics or to a political issue.  Now could we all
agree that religion informs politics, that politics informs religion,
and that pure theological hate speech is inappropriate to a political
discussion?  The posting to which I objected had no political referent
of any kind, and that is the aspect to which I objected.  I would not
discuss the gory details of tax policy on the Christian list; let us
not post exegetical theology (and *badly done* exegetical theology,
at that!--and in applying the term "exegetical theology," I am being
very loose with the language.  "Diatribe" and "screed" are perhaps
more appropriate to what I was replying to.)

If others feel that this is a proper place for purely theological
discussion, however, I would be more than happy to oblige, though
I think that would change the character of the list itself.

                                               ---Missy Justice
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:44:00 EST
From:         MING the Destroyer <199561011@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ratings for tv

From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ratings for tv

one note abt. the warning labels tipper managed to get stuck on recordings.

my son worked part time at s.goody's. all the recordings w/the warning labels
were held under a counter or in back. customers had to request them, and store
personnel had to check age on i.d.

        i'd be interested in knowing how they sold in a place where
        access was restricted like this.  i do know that disks that
        have these stickers tend to become more popular than they would
        have without them.  (its sorta like when the bbc banned sex pistols
        songs, and the album became the all time greatest punk album)

ALL the recordings w/these labels were by black artist.

        funny how that happens...

i'm w/macphil on this...that on/off knob is a mighty tool.

-linda  (when clinton announced gore for vp, my son exclaimed, "oh no, tipper's
         husband".  :))

        brni
        "save me from the people who would save me from myself
        they've got muscle for brains"
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:16:33 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Obfuscation Elimination

>When I am Logic Czar, I will produce a sound proof of the non-existence
>of god. Probably more than one, actually. I'm not (right now)
>campaigning, but I keep my promises anyway. So you have something
>to look forward to should I become Logic Czar.
>
>

I would like to warn you, that when C.S. Lewis attempted
to prove the non-existence of God, he actually proved his
existence (-actually the existence of the Christian God
and his son, Jesus Christ-).  At that point, Lewis
converted and became a prolific Christian writer.

Be careful.  Accepting this post may require that you
install a state religion.

-j.b.

>Jamie
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:31:00 EST
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Obfuscation Elimination

> Philosopher General sounds better than Secretary of Thought; the latter
> sounds like a position in the Politburo.  Peter, are you attempting to
> set up a Marxist state?

Yes.  I have long tried to make it clear that I am a devoted follower
of Marx, and I promise that I will faithfully build my administration
on the principles that Groucho worked so hard to develop for us.  As
Marxism has split into several distinct branches, perhaps I should
reveal that I am a follower of the Paramount Marx (although I reject
a rigid sectarianism, and would work toward having "Lydia the Tattooed
Lady" declared our new national anthem--at least one`can sing that, and
don't you think it would spruce up the Olympics?).

Best,
Peter

> Evelyn
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:20:23 EDT
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject: RE: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              26 Jul 1992 12:06:09 EST from <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

>> False.  He said "I would ... support whatever decision she made."
>> Mine is a DIRECT QUOTE typed word by word out of our local news-
>> paper.  Is yours direct?  Where did you get yours?

> Local newspapers are definitely an excellent source for word-by-word
> quotes...they never misrepresent the truth--an excellent promotoer
> of the UL.

Whatever "UL" means.  Take these: COP, NSE, PDE, TES, PCM, etc.
I care for acronyms used in the medical field (and I am not
saying "UL" is one of them) as you care about acronyms used
in the engineering field.

And in case you are being sarcastic (fat chance!....see I can be
sarcastic too) let me tell you this:

        1. Most local papers do not cover national news through
           their local staff, they use wire services.

        2. Our local paper is part of Knight-Ridder (sp?)
           papers which is a nationwide news organization.

        3. I watched Larry King Live personally.

        4. It is not as if we are picking between my quote
           from a local newspaper and someone else's from
           a major news-source.  So what is your point?

Rather than jumping in with a somewhat irrelevant and
peripheral comment, why don't you participate in the
discussion and actually make a contribution.

However, if you were not being sarcastic, then I should say:
I appreciate your support and keep up the good work.  :-)

> MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu

--MacKAT
From: 92price@gw.wmich.edu
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Subject: Re: The theme of men's magazines ...
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:46:38 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

"VALENTINE M. SMITH" writes:
> You're going to get laid ... p.3
> Here's how to get laid, p4, 6, 8, 10-44, 85-140
> Here's who you might get to sleep with ...p 45-60
> 
> Give us a break, all mags catering to a specific point of view will have
> pieces that support that view, and besides, a damned great many men ARE
> evil, including this writer, all too often. Just ask my wife! VMS

I'm not sure what this is a response to, but the theme of all womens magazines
tends to be:
"How to find an available, wealthy man"  p. 8, 16-17, 56-68
"How to string a man along without _actually_ giving sex"  p. 3, 22
"How to trap a man into marrying you"  p. 34-38 (feature story), 72-75, 93-97
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We say "yes" to night-long, teenage legs        |       Kai Alexis Price
wrapped around the body...     <--- The Fugs    |          Masculest
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From: HUMPHRY@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: re: ... tough choice
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:01:39 GMT

In article <POLITICS%92072316141620@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
"Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET> writes:
 
>
> >anyone have any ideas how the most vulnerable can be protected
>
> Yes. OUTLAW ABORTION.
 
Like that'll solve anything.  Let's see -- it didn't work prior to
1973, so what makes you think it'll work this time?
 
> >w/out undo or unfair interference by the state into personal affairs?
> >Linda
>
> No.
 
...so, let's just not worry about that little nuisance called a
Constitution -- by god, we've got to protect those zygotes because
YOU say so!
 
(Fortunately for the rest of us, it doesn't quite work that
way...)
 
 
--PLH, always happy to be of service
 
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:41:04 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              27 Jul 1992 10:18:35 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU>

Kerry:

There is nothing particularly surprising about people reaching out in
love to members of their family.  There is a far greater challenge in
treating total stranger with the same love, concern, and care that one
would have for those in whom one's life is already bound up.

Your example of capital punishment is a valid one, but proves my position.
If you change your stand on the issue because it hits home, then the
conviction itself was not true to begin with.  A moral conviction should
apply to both one's loved ones and to total strangers (and even--gasp!--
to those one deeply despises.)
                              --MJ (email me private and we'll discuss
                                 the election thing)
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:21:00 EDT
From:         "push the button, frank!" <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: N-tickets

>It would be an honor and a privilege to serve with you :)  But I thought up
>a couple other tickets we'd have to beat:
>       #3:  Peter SchledorN and Lorin KusmiN
>       #4:  Anneliese LorsoN and Jay SultaN
>I dunno -- I think the four tickets would *really* give the American people
>some choices!

Don't forget:
        #5: Brett FeinsteiN and JasoN ZimmermaN
        #6: Andrew AlleN and EvelyN DuncaN
        #7: Andy FreemaN and "Abbie HoffmaN"

Of course, the JohnsoN/OlsoN ticket has already demonstrated much...uh...
dynamism, or at least some good chase scenes, so ya'd better hit the
campaign trail fast...:)

>Kerry

Gary W. Olson                 "How the elephant got into my pajamas I'll
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   never know." - Marx, "Animal Crackers"
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:37:00 CST
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What will they think of next?

I always thought contracts were "sacred" in this country. I, and several
other millions of Americans, saw Ross Perot willingly say - no gun pointed
to his head, no "involuntary servitude" involved - that if he is placed on
the ballot of 50 states he would run. Now, I'm no lawyer, but that IS a
verbal contract. Now, I agree that he does not HAVE to run until the
50-state provision is met, but if that occurs (and it still could), then
there is not "involuntary servitude " at all, but a freely engaged in,
exceptionally well-witnessed verbal contract. I suspect any judge would
agree PROVIDED the on-the-ballot-in-fifty-states provisio is met. You-
don't-have-to-be-a-Republican-to-be-a-legalist, VMS
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:47:58 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Questions, questions

Sue:

The charge of feticide has been successfully prosecuted.  In cases (most
often drunk driving accidents) where the woman and the unborn are both
killed, charges of feticide and homicide are both pressed (though
pleas often get the fsecond dropped, in exchange for a guilty plea
to the first.)

              --Missy Prez 2 B
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From:         Sean Mills <ST4226@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>
Subject:      How to defeat AIDS

FROM: Sean Mills

I have a suggestion as how to reduce the number of AIDS cases that exist at
this time.

(1) Avoid premarital sex
(2) Avoid adultery

Now I realize that AIDS can be transmitted by other means than by sex, such as
giving blood in which an infected needle was used. But to the best of my
knowledge, sex is the number one way it is transmitted. However, it is
unfortunate that not everyone will all of a sudden abide by my to points. I
really think that, while it probably won't eliminate AIDS completely, it will
reduce it dramatically. Does anyone have any other suggestions?

                                             -Sean
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:08:53 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: questions for tkidd

>j.b.:
>
>i suggest that you study world religions for a bit, like, take
>a good comparative religions class or something.  because if you
>think that all religions are adhering to the same moral code, then
>you are very naive.

fyi, I have taken a good comparative religions course and have
spend most of my life studying independently comparative theology.

>you will be unlikely to find an islamic or christian equivalent to
>the kama sutra (although the jewish tradition has the song of solomon,
>which christians ignore in a big way).

The point which I was making is that in general all religions are the
same when it comes to right and wrong.  There are some differences,
but overall we have more in common than we have which separates.
Perhaps you didn't realize that all major religions go through the
same cycles in thought at roughly the same time.  Currently the
world is experiencing a fundamentalist movement(-which I think may
be on its way out-) in world religions.

-j.b.
>brni
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:19:41 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: Questions, questions

Missy J:
>                 She writes:  "Our law stresses autonomy, separation,
>             and isolation in the war of all against all, in contrast
>             to Sweden where the laws emphasize sex equality and social
>             solidarity, West Germany where the message is pro-life
>             and social solidarity, and France, where equality, life,
>             and solidarity are all sought to be promoted."

This is interesting!  Do you have any information on some of the correlates
of these differences in view?  You've provided info on differences in
abortion regulation, but what about things like numbers of abortions, the
availability of sex education & contraception, numbers of kids born to
unwed mothers, levels of economic support for families, etc.?

What I'm getting at is that *maybe* these other countries are managing to
(1) reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies that occur in the first
place and (2) creating social/economic supports such that the unplanned
pregnancies that *do* occur present less of a crisis to the mother/parents
(i.e., when an unplanned pregnancy *does* occur, the mom/parents are more
likely to have the kinds of resources necessary to bear/raise the child).

I'm taking a wild guess here, but I think those outcomes are something
reasonable folks on both sides of the abortion debate would support.  I'd
personally rather focus my attention on finding ways to accomplish those
outcomes than fighting about the morality/legality/whatever of abortion
itself.

What do you think?

Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:52:16 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Erratum

>From:         Dunstan_Vavasour <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
>
>>For "pretensious" read "pretentious."
>>That'll learn me.
>         ^^^^^
>>Jamie
>>will try to avoid pretension futurewise
>
>
>Will you borrow me some English lessons ?
>
>Dunstan

Only if I can loan you some sense of humor lessons, too.

Actually, I should have written "larn."

Jamie, who on occasion speaks with the vulgar, but would never
take English lessons from someone who thinks that "chair," to
refer to the holder of the office, is a neologism....
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:34:21 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Financing the gov't...

Since we are on the subject of taxation, does anyone know how much
revenue comes in on "sin taxes" and who gets that money?  Are they
collected purely on a state level?

A suggestion would be to raise taxes on tobacco (-it might help
cut down on the number of new people starting to smoke-) and
alcohol.

Something interesting that I believe the Fed. Rep. of Germany does,
is to tax television sets.  Every year, families are assessed a
tax based on the number of tvs they own.

There are other such items that aren't essential, yet people are
owning by the dozen these days, such as automobiles.

Now, since taxing and economics are a little out of my league, I
will stop with these rather far-fetched ideas.  I realize that
the American people is vastly different from our cousins in
Europe.  We would never stand for taxing television sets and the
like.  It is a shame though.  I believe that the average family
owns two or three. At 250,000,000 people, that could generate a
decent amount of revenue, when you consider on what it is based.

-j.b.
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From: jwales@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:16:19 GMT

My point about Quayle is that there is no sensible way to interpret
his various statements on abortion coherently.  One is led to conclude,
then, that his position on abortion, while *generally* opposed (on
average, on might say) to abortion, is hardly sufficiently consistent
or principled to be called 'pro-choice' or 'pro-life'.  Danny boy
is just a politician, after all, and a rather dumb one at that.

Thanks to Paul Maloney for providing the following rather amusing
evidence:


>My position is that I understand from a medical situation, immediately
>after a rape is reported, that a woman normally, in fact, can go to the 
>hospital and have a D and C.  At that time...  that is before the forming 
>of a life.  That is not anything to do with abortion
>                -- Vice President Dan Quayle  explaining that Dilatation
>                   and Curettage, a form of abortion which occurs 
>                   after fertilization, is not really abortion.
>                   (the Washington post, 11/03/88)

--Jimbo

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:28:48 EDT
From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the Tall Guy ticket: czar-tain of victory

>From:         "push the button, frank!" <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>

I must say that I am concerned by the failure of any of the
declared candidates to address the Shoe Issue in a direct way.
So far, proposals have been trite motherhoods and recycled
New Heel programs.

Nonetheless, some of the recent Tall Goals have brightened my
spirits.

>"10) The implementation of the Freeman Plan and the Feinstein Plan.

I am pleased that the Freeman Plan will be given a Tall Try. I am
not sufficiently familiar with the Feinstein Plan to have an opinion.

>9) Introduction of happy points and sad points into the national economy.

Worth a try. Scandinavian Utopias might be implemented in Minnesota
first, esp. if the rumors of a Lorson Renaissance prove founded.

>8) The M00se Illuminati will replace the CIA, FBI, and other intelligence/
>   coversion apparatusi with it's sleek, modern efficiency, replacing
>   the tendency of those outdated agencies to overthrow foreign governments
>   with the tendency to confuse them greatly.

The otherwise positive effect spoiled by hideous mangling of
Latin plural. Again, perhaps a Lorson resurgence would help.

>7) Kegger!

Here the services of Evens, Dickson, or myself are nearly
mandatory. The three of us know why.

>6) Letting the other shoe drop.

Clearly getting ahead of themselves. First shoes first, Tall Guys.

>5) Making 'libertarian capitalism' the official magical talisman phrase of
>   the nation.

Commendable.

>4) Give Newt Gingrich a funnier name.

Hard to imagine.

>2) Bill Saddam Hussein for Olympic Triplecast without letting him watch it.

Very informative. I had no idea his first name was "Bill."

>"Unlike our arch-foes, the SchledorN/KusmiN ticket and the KilburN/StephensoN
>ticket, Tim and I are instep with the shoe demands of the citizens of this
>country.  Rather than toe the line like the other candidates, we intend to put
>our best foot forward and give bad times the boot.  It will be a time to heel.

Amidst the rhetoric comes a disturbingly authoritarian tendency, vaguely
reminiscent of the Kerry Institutionalization Program to incarcerate
all human beings between the ages of -9 months and 65 years for
manditory psychiatric testing and biological experiments.
"A time to heel"??
Lovers of Liberty on the List will be Loathe to Listen to
the Tall Guys commands. What next? Roll over? Play dead?

A couple of remarks, in closing, about the recent Peter Shoehorn
comments. First, I am very pleased that Peter will be addressing
the Anthem Gap. For too long the Australians have had the only
R-rated national anthem. Hear hear.
But, second, "advice and counsel" is not exactly what I had
in mind. My calling is to wield the mighty axe of detachment;
to take up arms against the slings and arrows of outrageous
fallacy, and by opposing end them; to hiss away the heretics.

Advice and counsel. Bah.

Jamie "Czar or nothing"
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