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From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.173915.6320@ads.com> lkenas@ADS.COM (Lisa Kenas) writes:
>>>>Are you getting enough fluids?
>>>
>>>   I don't drink much water, but I do drink a lot of coffee.  I know this is a
>>>   wrong approach but I am up for work at 4:30 am and the coffee is my
>>>   lifeline.
>>
>>Nix the coffee (see above).  Drink fruit juices instead. Grapefruit juice
>>is especially good when you are trying to get lean. (okay, it is an acquired
>>taste, but it is good stuff.... you might try pink grapefruit cocktail
>>before going on to the "hard stuff".
>>
>Now granted, caffeine isn't the best thing in the world for you.  But is
>there any real reason one can't get lean while drinking caffeine? 

I suppose that somebody _could_ get lean whilst drinking caffeine, but
there are better ways to do it.  Most folx tend to put sugar and/or
cream in their coffee.  The caffeine and the sugar make you alert
briefly, then the effect wears off and you have another, and another.
Meanwhile, your blood sugar levels are on a roller-coaster.  This
may lead to unnecessary snacking, which _will_ derail one's plans to
get lean.  Fruit juice is a kinder, gentler medium for keeping yourself
alert, better yet, eat the fruit instead.

>I don't
>understand why a few cups of coffee would jeopardize an otherwise healthful
>diet.  Realistically, if you've been drinking coffee in the morning for
>years, just switching to grapefruit juice one day just isn't gonna cut it,
>though it could be enough to make you give up on the "diet" program early on.
>
>And why is grapefruit juice better than any other kind of juice?

Most any kind of fruit juice is better to drink than coffee (or soda,
for that matter).  What is special about grapefruit juice?  Well, it's
light, as in, you can drink lots of it w/o getting bloat or gas.  It's
got loads of vitamin C (okay, so do lots of other fruit juices, but
you won't find it in coffee or soda).  It has some agents in it that
make it easier for the body to metabolize fat.  BTW, I never said that
anybody _had_ to drink fruit juice in general, or grapefruit juice in
particular, but rather _suggesting_ a better(healthier) alternative
to the coffee drinking.
>
>Lisa
>
>--
Keith R
>
>Lisa Kenas					Advanced Decision Systems
>lkenas@ads.com					Mountain View, California
From: lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Grapefruit juice (Was Re: Abs Question)
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:47:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Division of Engineering Research
NNTP-Posting-Host: tame.egr.msu.edu

This seems like an extremely stupid question, but someone brought up 
grapefruit juice and now I'm wondering about it.

I've had Grapefruit juice concentrate and it's just downright nasty 
tasting.  I like grapefruit juice from the grapefruit, but is it possible 
to get the good tasting stuff from a bottle?  I'm not looking for the stuff 
full of sugar, either.   Any suggestions on brands? 

Jennifer
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9128 soc.women:21879
From: tlindgre@cvbnet.prime.com (Terence Lindgren x5360 5-2)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,soc.women
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction (GO FOR IT !)
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:32:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision

In article <1992Dec22.182958.24852@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec22.084239.4779@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|>        My response to anyone who wants to drop down to 4-7% bodyfat is: GO
|> >|>    FOR IT !!!  Think about it. If you were to grab a hand full of the fat
|> >|>    around your waste, ... what is that fat right there doing for you? It's
|> >|>    not cushioning any muscle tissue nor is it providing cushion protection
|> >|>    for the joints in your body from that location. It simply sits there and
|> >|>    does absolutely nothing for you. The mere fact that your body can have
|> >|>    enough excess fat to be able to grab denotes that you already have all
|> >|>    of the necesary fatty material in between the muscles and organs. The ex-
|> >|>    cess is excess. 
|> >
|> >Many women (myself included) fail to menstruate when our body
|> >fat percentage dips too low.  This happened for me, when I
|> >measured 6-7%.  I'm at my healthiest when I am ~15%.
|> 
|> Even money at least one wise guy sends you email that that sounds
|> like a great method of birth control, which of course it isn't.
|> Not too long ago I read that Olga Korbut, the Russian gymnast,
|> went something like five years without menstruating, went to a
|> doctor because she though something was wrong with her and found
|> out she was pregnant. From what I've read you don't actually suffer
|> any physical problems from not menstruating but that psychologically
|> it can be tough for some.


	I have read quite the opposite. Osteoperosis can occur.


			terence
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From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Originator: glex@nitro
Keywords: Is being over in trouble
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:25:34 CST


In article <C02w18.327@news.iastate.edu>, bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible) writes:

> >Try the "talk test".  If you can talk without gasping for breath every
> 	Not to put words in Jeff's mouth, but I suspect he meant to say "can
> not talk ...".  The idea is to work hard enough to feel it, but not so hard you
> feel like you are exhausting your energy reserves.
> tony
Thanks Tony.  I was typing at an anerobic level... ;-)
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
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From: bhjelle@hydra.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:30:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: Is being over in trouble

In article <1992Dec29.221241.25924@cbfsb.cb.att.com> disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs) writes:
>
>According to the charts my target heart rate for working out should
>be 135 -165 but I frequently find myself going at 170s or 180s.
>Is this dangerous?  I could slow down but then I don't feel I'm 
>working hard.  All I do is 25 - 30 minutes on a Nordic Track 4 - 6 
>times weekly.  Since I'm limited for time, I want the best workout I can 
>get (but don't want to keel over).  
>
>P.S I suffer no cheast pains during the workouts.

This used to happen to me quite frequently, especially when using
a new exercise format such as a LifeStep or exercise bike. I too
never had a problem with it, and felt like I wasn't getting
adequate exercise with a heartrate in the 150s-160s. However,
I think that the underlying quality of your coronary arteries
is important to consider if you want to continue to stress
yourself beyond what the charts say you should be doing.

Since few of us really know the quality of our coronary arteries,
I would suggest using as surrogate criteria such as age, family
history, smoking, sex, and diabetes. For example:

25 year/old woman, nonsmoker, no family history of heart
disease, no diabetes: go as high as you want!

55 year/old man, dad died at 60 of heart attack: better stay
within your target range, old timer  :-)

In my case, it is really difficult now for me to get my HR
over 170 now, and it rarely stays up for long. That is because
I do the same exercises year after year, and can't set the
machines up any higher (already at top setting)  :-).

Brian
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction (GO FOR IT !)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:15:38 GMT

bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas) writes:

>Many women (myself included) fail to menstruate when our body
>fat percentage dips too low.  This happened for me, when I
>measured 6-7%.  I'm at my healthiest when I am ~15%.

As I stated in an earlier reply, a woman's bodyfat should not
go below 12%.  This is the minimum recommended level for women.
I will have to consult my books to see what it is for men,
although I seem to remember it being somewhere between 6-9%.
I'll also list the sources of this information.

allen
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Adam Silver is in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:23:28 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

Well, once again the infamous Adam Silver is here in Boston visiting.  I arm
wrestled him a bunch of times last time he came, but all he knows how to do is
cheat!  :)  Just kidding Adam!  He's good, but too confident!  :)  I am going to
try again.  Everyone wish me luck.  Just once I'd like to see someone come along
and put his arm through the table.
Last time he was here, I was dieting down for a competition so I was a little
"smaller" than normal.  Maybe now, I'll have a better advantage to whip his ass
at armwrestling.
He may be better at armwrestling, but at least my legs don't look like twigs!
This time around Adam, I want to see how many squats you can do.  :)  Don't 
mind if I run away in laughter!!!  :)  Is this a challenge you ask?   Could be!
;-)
We'll see who is the real "Stick" now!  

-Rob
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: villano_d@sol.rtsg.mot.com (villano_d)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction (GO FOR IT !)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:31:18 GMT

I don't know if I agree that having a bodyfat level of 5% is healthly or unhealthy 
all the time. A 5% bodyfat level is usually want a male would try to attend before
a show and a female should hit 8%. I'd like to hear what the group feels about that.
As a competitive bodybuilder before a show 5% is a good level and during the off season
I will not go over 12%, keeping it at about 10% you still look  pretty good and your defination
is still there.
 
As far as what you do . Yes more aerobics about 1 hour in the am and 1 in the pm. How are 
you eating, you should be eating 5 or 6 meals a day. Your target weight loss should be 1-2
pounds per week any more and you can end up losing some muscle mass.  Have you heard of John
Parrillo (Parrillo Performance) he trains alot of top bodybuilders and has some good programs
they set you up on along with manuals to follow and some good diets to follow.
 You can call them at 513-531-1311 they have a 1-800 number I 'll have to get back on that.
But you really need to look at your diet and tighten it up and you'll be surprized how much
you can eat and still lose bodyfat.

DV
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Grapefruit juice (Was Re: Abs Question)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:37:06 GMT

In article <lott.32.0@egr.msu.edu> lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott) writes:
>This seems like an extremely stupid question, but someone brought up 
>grapefruit juice and now I'm wondering about it.
>
>I've had Grapefruit juice concentrate and it's just downright nasty 
>tasting.  I like grapefruit juice from the grapefruit, but is it possible 
>to get the good tasting stuff from a bottle?  I'm not looking for the stuff 
>full of sugar, either.   Any suggestions on brands? 
>
>Jennifer

Hi Jennifer!
I tend to favor "Florida's Natural Ruby Red" grapefruit juice.  It is
advertised as "_not_ from concentrate", and sold in half-gallon cartons.
The carton has a screw-off top _and_ a safety/freshness seal.  It is also
about a buck cheaper/carton than Tropicana (which _is_ from concentrate, btw),
which is an added benefit.  They also sell not-from-concentrate orange juice
in the same type of package.  Other than that, most _bottled_ grapefruit
juice is okay by me (as often from concentrate, as not), but I have never
been able to stomach the canned stuff.

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Is techno utopianism justified ? (Re: Why?)
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:02:38 GMT

Lighten up.
Sports are fun.
From: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (Dan Sproule)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:29:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: gethsemane.ebay.sun.com


-Getting down to 4% body fat can be very unhealthy. It is important to 
-realize that the kidneys are surronded by fat for protection.  Eliminating
-this fat effectively reduces protection of the kidneys.  At 4% body fat
-I seriously doubt the fat protecting the kidneys is not affected. Marvin
-Haglar, a remarkable athlete and tremendous boxer, was never less than
-8% body fat. If you want to see the perfect example of muscle tone and
-low body fat, look at this individual.  I think many would agree, based on
-this individual's example, that dropping below 8% is probably overkill.


   Your concerns are well founded but, fat makes a poor protection device.
   Marvelous Marvin Hagler's well developed back muscles were much better
   protection for his kidneys than was his bodyfat. The back muscles and
   the two lower ribs are the body's natural protection for your kidneys;
   not fatty tissue. Also, since the kidneys are located within the abdominal
   cavity, the core temperature of the body will keep them warm. If you
   have to worry about your kidneys getting too cold because you lack the
   proper amount of body fat, you have a more serious problem than too low
   a percentage of body fat. And, the primary reason for fat being stored
   around the kidneys is because the body likes an economy of size. That is,
   there is naturally extra room around the kidneys so the body uses that
   space to store the excess baggage. It really has only little to do with
   protection or warmth. At least that's my estimation of things. I might
   have a hard time proving this in a medical journal, but specialists and
   other healthcare people are looking into the role of fat and how we should
   be viewing it. Fat is necesary for warmth and some protection, I would
   like to argue at what point that role ends and excess begins.

   I believe the healthiest way to go is to try and keep your
   overall percentage of bodyfat down around 7-10% maximum.

   Dan S.  :)

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Primrose Oil                            
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:47:30 GMT

Every now and then the FDA makes a foray against the health food
industry. This past summer they seized some Evening Primrose oil from
a manufacturer claiming it was an "unapproved food additive".
Regrettably, the courts upheld the seizure. The legal status of
supplements is murky. If the FDA wants to and the courts go along they
could probably ban everything that isn't a recognized vitamin or
mineral. If you care about these questions write your Congress critter
and/or Presdent-elect Clinton.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		ad astra per aspera
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:00:30 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In misc.fitness, terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>In article <1hnv4hINNpho@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM (D
>an Sproule) writes:
>>
>> -Getting down to 4% body fat can be very unhealthy. It is important to
>
>I would be interested in knowing where these number of 7-10%
>maximum are coming from, and statements that 4% body fat can
>be very unhealthy. World class marathoners (male) have reported
>body fat levels of 2-4%.
>necessarily healthy. However, the argument that the body needs
>something over 4% body fat appear to be based upon opinion. Is
>there any research to back up these opinions?

My body fat is in the 4% range and I'm quite healthy.  I lift alot and
often (in the gym 4-5 days a week).  I don't see my low body fat as
unhealthy.  If your body fat is low due to poor eating habits, then
it may be unhealthy......but it is the eating habits which are unhealthy,
not the byproduct of those habits ie: the low fat.  Maybe that is the
answer to the health question.  Or maybe not.............
   O
   I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833
   I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil
  /     David Taylor Model Basin
   \___________________________
			     \\
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: Weight Lifting posts
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:55:35 CST


In article <1992Dec22.205543.17081@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
Don't cha just love deleting yet another post in it's entirety... Delete
the lines in the future.....what a *ucking pain!.. any way..

> 	2) include either full squats (front squat style, flat-footed,
> 	   where your butt goes lower than your knees, like, almost to
> 	   your ankles) or heavy deadlifts no more than once weekly,
How about ... go to at least parallel.  Full squats are extreamly hard on
the knees.  Deadlifts don't have to be heavy and would probably do more good
if they were light and done 2X weekly.  
-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Primrose Oil                            
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:51:00 +0000

 Firstly, thanks to everyone who replied to my last posting a couple of weeks
ago about alternative biceps exercises. I meant to reply to everyone
individually but basically I'm a total louse and never got round to it. OTOH
I have taken all the advice to heart and my wrists haven't given me any
serious trouble since.

 I just started subscribing to Muscle Media 2000 (it's been getting more than
it's share of mentions on the group, along with a couple of personal
reccomendations.) and the Feb/March issue has a short article on the
importance of Essential Fatty Acids in muscle-building. Co-incidently a few
pages later there's what looks like a sponsored editorial comment
(=advertisement) saying that the FDA has banned Primrose Oil (a good source
of EFAs) but you can still get it from the NSA (what's that stand for?).
 I'm not altogether familiar with the system in the US so why has Primrose
Oil been banned? All I've ever heard about it being used for, for years and
years, was to ease period pain in women (doesn't do a thing for period pain
in men apparently.) Is that how it's billed in the US? I read on the group a
few months ago that amino acid tablets were going to get similar treatment.
Did they? Just what else is the FDA after?


*********************************************************************
**It's true, a man can fly. - Virgil.** monster@cix.compulink.co.uk**
*********************************************************************
From: sritacco@wet.UUCP (Steve Ritacco)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: eczema trouble
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:52:01 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

Hi,

I had eczema problems on my fingers from time to time when I was younger.
My problem seemed to be an allergic reaction to cleaning products.

I went to a GP that prescribed some stuff called Synamol, and he said that
if it didn't work that I would have to go to a dermatoligist.  Well, it worked
and that was that.

Unfortunately, that is how I understand eczema usually works.  Either you
identify what is causing it, and eliminate it, or you find something that
just happens to cure it.  I know some people who have had great difficulty
finding a solution.

If this is a sudden flare up, could it be realated to some new substance
that you have exposed yourself to?

I know how awful it is, I hope you can find something that helps.

Steve

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.204637.4905@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>I suppose that somebody _could_ get lean whilst drinking caffeine, but
>there are better ways to do it.  Most folx tend to put sugar and/or
>cream in their coffee.  The caffeine and the sugar make you alert
>briefly, then the effect wears off and you have another, and another.
>Meanwhile, your blood sugar levels are on a roller-coaster.  This
>may lead to unnecessary snacking, which _will_ derail one's plans to
>get lean.  Fruit juice is a kinder, gentler medium for keeping yourself
>alert, better yet, eat the fruit instead.

There is little difference between eating a candy bar or drinking fruit juice.
Both are concentrated sources of sugar.  Yet, to some True Believers, fruit
juice is somehow devoid of the horrible effects of sugar (whatever THEY might
be--I'm not entirely sure.)  Sugar is sugar is sugar.

Drink all the coffee you like, if you're comfortable with it and aren't taking
in too much caffeine.  Unlike the unsubstantiated claims for grapefruit juice,
caffeine actually does raise the metabolic rate, so it at least theoretically
can help weight loss.  In reality, it's probably not going to have a very
strong effect compared to more direct actions like increasing your exercise
and lowering your caloric intake.
 
>Most any kind of fruit juice is better to drink than coffee (or soda,
>for that matter).

Why?

>What is special about grapefruit juice?  Well, it's
>light, as in, you can drink lots of it w/o getting bloat or gas.

Well, I don't get bloat or gas from coffee, soda, apple juice or orange juice.
Why should I drink grapefruit juice?

>It's got loads of vitamin C (okay, so do lots of other fruit juices, but
>you won't find it in coffee or soda).

It is a good source of vitamin C.  Which is no argument for its replacing
coffee!

>It has some agents in it that
>make it easier for the body to metabolize fat.

It most certainly does not.

>BTW, I never said that
>anybody _had_ to drink fruit juice in general, or grapefruit juice in
>particular, but rather _suggesting_ a better(healthier) alternative
>to the coffee drinking.

Why is it healthier?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Questions about Skipping Rope
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:36:49 GMT




To experienced rope skippers:  

I was thinking about incorporating rope skipping into my routine, which  
otherwise consists of low-impact aerobics and weight lifting (37 yr old  
female in pretty fair shape). 

Are there any problems I should watch out for?  In particular, I had a bad  
case of shin splints this last year, and don't want to get them again. Is  
that a frequent problem for rope skippers?  

Why isn't rope skipping very popular? 

----------------------------------------------------------
Robin 
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