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From: zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Kazi Zahin S. Hasan)
Subject: aid and bangladesh military
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:54:14 GMT
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In article <4840@equinox.unr.edu> hakim@unssun.nevada.edu (Ashraf Al
Hakim) writes:

> 1. Bangladesh is poor.  
> 2. We have to develop ECONOMICALLY.  
> My position on defense is that 
> we have to 
> 1. Take the US military aid.  
> 2. Cut of our own expenses on defense to develop.  
> 3. Create super relations with the US so that we can get the US to 
> build up our defense just like the US does to Israel.

A couple of points.

1.	In spite of having recieved huge amounts of american aid over
the years, Israel has a lousy economy. One reason for this is that
most military assistance comes in the form of military trade credits -
all you can do with it is buy arms from the US. This kind of aid has
no effect on the recipient's economy, as it does not finance any kind
of production (and hence, it cannot create any new jobs) in the
recipient economy.

2.	Since the end of the Marshall Plan to reconstruct postwar
Europe & Japan in the 40's the only countries to have recieved
substantial amounts of aid in the form of grants have been South
Korea, Taiwan, and Israel. Aid (whether military or otherwise) to
almost every other country, including Bangladesh, has been mostly in
the form of loans. We will eventually have to repay these loans, which
will drain us of our scarce foreign exchange. Last year Bangladesh
spent almost 30% of its export earnings on interest payments. We
cannot afford to take any more loans. we need our export earnings to
import the capital goods (such as power generation equipment) which we
are not capable of producing. We need these things to develop.

3.	I would like to point out that Taiwan and South Korea have
been doing so well largely because of favorable trade agreements with
the US. Their phenomenal growth has been largely export-driven, and
has little to do with the military aid they have recieved.

4.	Economic considerations aside, our armed forces have been a
significant destabilizing element in national politics. Any third world
country whose army is more powerful than its democratic structures is
likely to fall under the heel of a series of military dictators. In
other words, we should disempower the armed forces to pre-empt the
installation of another Ershad.
--
Zahin Hasan
zahin@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
(216) 774 2466
OCMR box 1551
Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074
				

	When a stupid man is doing something he's ashamed of, he always 
declares that it is his duty.

                                  George Bernard Shaw
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Islamic Sects
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <69730@cup.portal.com>, hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
> When I was growing up, people in my area were grouped into three classes
> by Muslims:
> 
> 1) Muslims
> 2) Kafirs
> 3) Ghair-Muslims
> 
> Muslims and Kafirs were simple - believers and non-believers. However
> Ghair-Muslims were the interesting category. If you were a Sunni,
> the Shia's were Ghair-Muslims, and vice-versa. Ghair-Muslims simply
> tranlated to somewhere between Muslim and Kafir. 
> 
> While Shias and Sunnis tolerated each other in the Sub-Continent, my
> 
> two years in Iran were a different experience. There Sunnis were
> definitely not regarded as fellow believers. Not kafir, but 
> definitely not true followers.

I believe this is not simply true.  All shia ulema fully agree that
sunnis are Muslims and NOT Ghair Muslim.  Imam Khomeini said

"Shia and sunni are brothers; any one who creats feud between them is
an enemy of the both"

Iran is the only Islamic state where a week of unity ( 12-17 Rabi-ul-Awwal)
between shia and sunni is observed.

In Iran, in contrast to sub-continent, there has never been any serious
conflict between sunnis and shias and they pray togather in the same mosques.

Iran is giving full moral support to all sunni islamic movements in
Algeria, Jordan, Egypt Tunesia etc in sharp contrast to what most sunni rulers
are doing; they are using all Muslim wealth to suppress islam. 


On the basis of above facts I safely conclude that your observation is
not correct.

I would like to remind you a Hadith of Prophet(PBUH) which says, there will
be 73 sects of islam and only one will go to Jannah.  On this basis Shia
do consider them the guided one.  I think others also do the same.  If you
consider the Hadith, it clearly says 72 sects who will not go to
jannah are also Muslim.  

May Allah guide us to recognise the true path of Islam.


 
> This flap over Ahamadis (and in other instances Qadianis) smacks
> of a similar split.
> 
> If they want to call themselves Muslim, let them. After all we
> are all Gods children :-).
> 
> Hassan

Asad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza)
Subject: Re: Tropical cyclone
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:01:19 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov21.205125.17703@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> zsardar@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Ziak Sardar) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.132025.21958@lut.ac.uk>, rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin) writes:
>> - Rahin
>
>We all should express our gratitude to the Almighty Allah for sparing us
>this time.



I don't know about you guys, but after analysing the latest information I
think that it was nothing less then a miracle that a danger signal 10 cyclone
within hours has subsided into a mere tropical storm. There must be some sort
of damage or maybe casualty but to me as a Bangladeshi it is something that
we have to accept, considering ts vulnerability towards such natural 
disasters. Well thanks a lot to you Allah, at the personal level.

Some news which might interest you:-

1] In BUET, classes this semester has been going on for the straight 7th
	week unhindered. Students seem to be experiencing for the first
	time since for quite a while, the actual work load the rigorous 
	education universities in Dhaka has to provide. I do not have the
	exact info on Dhaka U., but classes there are also going on in full
	swing for past few months.

2] The life in the metropolitan has improved a lot in terms of crime and 
	anarchism and it is a much much safer place today.

3] There is a silver lining growing behind the clouds in terms of the 
	economic condition of the country. Specially the fact about the
	per capita income which has now been able to cross beyond 200
	dollars to around 220. This is a break because as far as I remember
	it has never been more than 200. Though not much in terms of dollars
	or real value, but it will definitely have some effect on the morale 
	of the teeming millions.  

Md Ishfaqur Raza
.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:43:53 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: imc7142@tamsun.tamu.edu (Iftekharuddin Mohamme Choudhu)
Subject: Test
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:52:14 GMT

This is just a test. I am getting acquinted with
the net. I'll come back later with my observations
and comments on the issues being currently discussed.
I find some of them very stimulating.

Iftekhar Choudhury
Deptt. of Architecture
Texas A & M University
College Station
Texas
From: pmf$1349@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: RE: ahmadiyya
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:24:05 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University
From: pmf$1349@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re:  CFV ahmadiyya
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:20:25 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <102654@bu.edu>, khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid) writes:
> Rami Hijazi wrote in an earlier article in support of Shakil's and
> against mine, that the correct word in the Quran is KHATIM (END),
> rather than KHATAM (RING OR SEAL), when trying to prove that
> Muhammad (on whom be peace and blessings of God) was the last
> Prophet of God and that no Prophet would come after him.
> I request you to take another look at the Quran -- the word IS
> KHATAM, the way I wrote it and not KHATIM, they way he suggests.
> I know of only one instance when in a recently published text,
> some non-Ahmadi published the Quran with "Khatim" to prove their
> point against Ahmadis, but since the safeguarding of the text of
> the Holy Quran is a duty taken by God upon himself, the book was
> removed from the shelves, and now the only Qurans available in
> the market are the ones with KHATAM in them.  It is interesting
> that now, even if the non-Ahmadis try to change the Arabic text
> of the Holy Quran, they cannot do so, given God's decree.  The
> present text of the Holy Quran goes in favor of the Ahmadiyya
> viewpoint (or is it that they have been able to interpret it
> with more effort and hardwork, to make their arguments sound
> more convincing?)
> 
> Regards,
> Rasheed,
> Boston,
> Massachusetts,
> U.S.A.
> 
> [The least expensive way to improve your looks is to wear a smile]
I did not have a copy of the Quran with me, rather I recalled it from
memory.  I ask Allah for forgiveness.  It was my mistake and I did not
intend it.  The argument is still the same.  According to Quran Muhammad
PBUH is the seal (last) of prophets and the argument brought by Ahmadis
did not come about till they came up with it and it is rejected because it
is not consistent with other verses in the Quran that suggest that Islam,
not other religions, is the religion of God.

Wassalam.

Rami Hijazi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: ONE KILLED IN MOSLEM SECTARIAN FIGHTING
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:44:14 GMT
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   One man was killed and 10 were injured when members of the small
Ohabi Islamic sect opened fire on a procession of Sunni Moslems in the
Bangladesh port of Chittagong, police said on Thursday.

   The attack on Wednesday followed ''derogatory'' remarks made about
the Ohabis at a Sunni rally a few days earlier, one police officer
told reporters.

   More than 90 per cent of Bangladeshi Moslems are Sunnis, the
largest sect in Islam.

   Last week unidentified attackers burned down several homes
belonging to members of a third Moslem sect, the Qadianis, in the
Bangladesh capital and damaged a mosque, police said.

   The fundamentalist Jamaat-e-Islami party had earlier asked the
government to declare the Qadianis non-Moslem.
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| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
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From: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: womens rights
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:23:27 GMT
Reply-To: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


In article 92Nov23103014@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
>         giving an example, the minister said that according to the
> muslim law, a muslim marriage is a contractual terminable relationship
> between man and woman, while the hindu law says a marriage between man
> and woman is a religious sacrament that remains intact for the whole
> life.  in the muslim law both man and woman enjoy the equal rights of
> divorce or separation but the hindu law does not permit it,

Are the Hindu marriages in BD governed by Hindu laws? I thought that the Hindus 
in BD have the right of divorce as well. Any comments?

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:6102 soc.culture.indian:37577 soc.culture.pakistan:16920
From: tnk@cloud1.met.fsu.edu (T.N. KRISHNAMURTI)
Subject: Tropical cyclone
Reply-To: tnk@cloud1.met.fsu.edu
Organization: FSU-Meteorology Department
Distribution:  world
Date: 20 NOV 92 00:56:44    


That tropical cyclone which was reported by Jack Beven is heading for Chitta-
gong area and looks like a killer storm again. If you have relatives close to 
any of coastal or near inland areas call them and warn them right away. The
Storm is very intense 145 mile per hour winds at present. Landfall expected in 
24 h from now. Krishnamurti.
From: akhan@gab.unt.edu (Arshad Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: ANSWERE THOSE QUESTIONS (was Re: Talaq over Phone)
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:38:25 GMT
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences


Mr. Indu,

How many times we all have to say that DON'T USE A STUPID BOOK BY A
STUPID AUTHOR for your arguments. That book is filled with tons of
misinformations. Now do you or do you not want a logical argument ?
If you want, read more books, books from credible sources and then
come back again. Or if you can't do that take your sorry butt off this
place. You are not doing any good to anybody by posting this garbages.

On you question on the battles by Mohammed, those like your other 
examples are full stuff that never happened in history. I don't know
where Anis got them, but they seem to me as if he is trying to show
his hatred towards Islam. I, like many others did not try to clarify
those points because of the following reasons :

   1) You DO NOT listen to the arguments and facts presented by
      others when they don't match your already set ideas. So
      it is a waste of time.

   2) We are all tired of your garbages and you are missing the point
      we all are trying to make, don't use GARBAGE FROM ANIS. I believe 
      there are tons of other writers who can give you the facts. But 
      alas, you wouldn't listen.

   3) You are wasting a lot of band width in this news group, we 
      want an end to this.



Arshad Khan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: immigration, soviet passports
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:43:38 GMT
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HEADLINE: Every Ivanov Likes Bangladesh

SOURCE: KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA, p. 1

 HIGHLIGHT: Foreign nationals can buy forged Russian passports for
foreign travel for 400 dollars, asserts paper.

 BODY:
    Recently, German frontier guards have detained 15 Bangladesh
citizens holding Russian passports for foreign travel. According to
their passports, the fifteen detainees have one and the same surname
-- Ivanov, reports KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA.

    Employees of a Russian tourist firm (who asked that their names
and the name of their firm be withheld) have told the paper that in
Russia, every foreigner can buy such a passport for 400 U.S. dollars,
thus saving a lot of money on air and railroad tickets. [Under the
current legislation, foreign nationals have to buy tickets for foreign
Exchange, And The citizens of Russia for rubles.]  Moreover, the
holder of such a passport can obtain an exit visa for a token price of
30 dollars, with 10 dollars going to the middleman and 20 to the
Foreign Ministry official issuing the visa. At that, all exit
formalities are usually completed in a matter of several hours.

    A spokesman for the consulate department of the Russian Foreign
Ministry has called the bribe-taking official issuing forged passports
a "black sheep," and promised that security officers will nail him or
her down very soon.  Incidentally, KOMSOMOLSKAYA PRAVDA notes, the
case of 15 Bangladesh "Ivanovs" was not unique -- holders of forged
Russian passports had been detained before as well.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:51:43 GMT

In article <3235@ucl-cs.uucp>, B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >> In article <1e9kpbINNm5v@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.ed
> u (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> >But even casting that aside, let us look at Prophet Muhammed's (pbuh)
> >last sermon which he gave on the ninth day of Dhul Hijjah, 10 A.H. in
> >the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat:
> >
> >   O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
> >   WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
> >   words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
> >   and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
> >   astray.
> >
> 
> Is n't Mohammed proved wrong here?  "- No new faith will be
> born .". Huun... May be Mr Mohammed had no idea about Sikhism, Bahaism 
> and Kabir Panthis - all started after Mohammed's above declaration. I am 
> quite sure that there would be many other minor faiths, all started after 
> his above (pompous) declaration. Seems like Mr GOD was playing a joke 
> on Mr Mohammed or someone is misquoting GOD/Mohammed.
> 
> bkumar

No. Mohammed swt (pbuh) was not wrong. this statement refers to the fact that
no new faith of God would be born. For example Islma was born out of Judaism.
This was the birht of a faith of the book of god. Sikhism, Bahaism, and
Kabir Panthi`s are not considered religions of god according to muslims. 
Therefore, the prophet was correct in saying that ISLAM is the last faith
that would come from GOD.
  By the way, I would suggest that you refrain from making facetious statenents such as your last one. They are extremely offensive and in poor taste.

regards
Rafat SAdiq

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza)
Subject: Re: Crime, Economy and more News
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

In article <1992Nov22.024025.23605@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.220119.19945@umr.edu> raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur 
>Raza) writes:
>>
>>2] The life in the metropolitan has improved a lot in terms of crime and 
>>	anarchism and it is a much much safer place today.
>>
>	What is the source of this information?  Somehow I had the impression
>that the situation deteriorated over the past couple of months.

I got the information on telephone and thus I did not ask for any source 
( hey it is costly to talk on telephone, even on MCI friends and family prog)
but I will be getting info on this, which I shall post as soon as I get them.

Sorry for information without listed source.

comment:
The news about deterioration of law and order always seems to be in
the negative trend which if analysed would mean that we are in an abyss of 
criminal nightmare. 

Yes, it is true that law and order situation was in chaotic situation, when
R.K. Menon had been shot and the JCD was broiled in fraternal decimation,
but that was a long time ago( atleast a few months back), so I surmise you are
refering to that.
  

>
>>3] There is a silver lining growing behind the clouds in terms of the 
>>	economic condition of the country. Specially the fact about the
>>	per capita income which has now been able to cross beyond 200
>>	dollars to around 220. This is a break because as far as I remember
>>	it has never been more than 200. Though not much in terms of dollars
>>	or real value, but it will definitely have some effect on the morale 
>>	of the teeming millions.  
>
>That's intersting.  But again I am interested in the source.  Are we
>talking about nominal dollars ? (i.e.: Are these figures adjusted for
>inflation?)  How about the distribution of income?  Is the gap widening
>or narrowing down? 
>>
>>Md Ishfaqur Raza
>>.
>     KHALED AZIZ            |    " Thought of going back, but all I'd see 

Previously to my posting, some other netters had already mentioned about the
NEW per capita income. It is more of an old news then a yesternight breaking
news. And about your other questions ... I am the wrong guy.


Raza