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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:56:32 GMT


In article <AKNOWLES.92Dec30160137@expert.expert.com> aknowles@expert.expert.co
m (Anne Knowles) writes:
>Has anyone else seen this movie?!? What a great movie and no one is
>posting about it. Highly recommended. It was wonderful.

Yes, it was, in general, quite wonderful and original, with great
performances, though hearing that there was a "twist" so often
from so many sources made the twist, when it came, a bit
anti-climactic.  Speaking of twists, [SPOILER ALERT]















Is Jaye Davidson (Dil in the movie) male or female?  The promo
material available in the theatre was (I assume) deliberately
unclear.

--Michael
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From: gswan@psych.toronto.edu (George Swan)
Subject: The works of Walter Hill (was Re: REVIEW: TRESPASS
Summary: In addition to directing questionable movies, he co-produced Alien^3
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:48:17 GMT

In his recent, interesting, review of "Trespass", the Phantom,
(sbb@panix.com) provided a summary of the movies Walter Hill has directed.

I've made a point of trying to avoid his work, since I saw Red Heat",
and I realized that the only women to get speaking parts in his films
would be cast as prostitutes.

So, I knew I would be disappointed in Alien^3 when I learned he was one
of the co-producers.  As one of the co-producers, I think he should take
quite a bit of the flack for this one, as they would have been the ones
who kept firing directors, and screen-writers.  They may very well have
been the ones who insisted that the film be completed with the footage
in the can, when the film went over budget.

In article <1992Dec29.151438.14964@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> sbb@panix.com (The Phantom) writes:
>			      TRESPASS
>		    A review in the public domain
>			    by The Phantom
>			   (sbb@panix.com)
>
>     Walter Hill has been responsible for much of what's right -- and
>much of what's wrong -- with contemporary action films.  He made his
>name with the classic late Seventies exploitation film, THE WARRIORS
>(the film that first got theater owners worried about more than just
>spilled Coke and gum stuck under the seats), then went on to direct the
>somewhat more complex and rewarding films THE LONG RIDERS and SOUTHERN
>COMFORT, finally gaining mainstream attention and widespread praise for
>his taut and perceptive handling of the film that made Eddie Murphy the
>biggest box office draw of the eighties: 48 HRS.
>
>     Since those glory days of the late seventies and early eighties,
>however, Hill's contribution to the world of the high quality action
>film have been rather substantially diluted by an unbroken string of
>cinematic dogs, ranging from STREETS OF FIRE, to BREWSTER'S MILLIONS,
>JOHNNY HANDSOME, and RED HEAT, and culminating with the toxically bad
>ANOTHER 48 HRS., a film that to this day haunts the Phantom's worst
>nightmares.
From: f87-mol@alv.nada.kth.se (Magnus Olsson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Liam Neeson???
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:32:07 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Dec22.141915.27610@scott.skidmore.edu> dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
>
>
>What else has this actor done previous to "Leap of Faith"?
>
>Please post any information regarding previous movies he appeared in.
>
>Thank you.

Well, he played the title role in Sam Raimi's DARKMAN and a nazi officer
in SHINING THROUGH. If I remember correctly.
/Magnus Olsson
From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Date: 23 Dec 1992 07:41:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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<=>  What was the thing that they threw in the fire at the end with Rosebud
<=>written on it and what was its significance? I was led to believe that the

I seem to remember that it was Kane's snow sled...

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From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell)
Subject: Re: Beauty & the Beast
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:47:40 GMT

dpeter@ecst.csuchico.edu  writes:
> I am searching for the version of "Beauty and the Beast" that starred
> George C. Scott (I'm not sure when it was released).  If anyone has any
> information on how to obtain a copy, please e-mail me at...
> 	dpeter@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
> 	Thank you,
> 	David Petersen

This isn't a very technical answer, but I saw it on TV in my
senior year of high school, so that would make it the early half
of 1979.  I think it was a "Storybook Theater" production.

Chris
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Help! Science in the Movies
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:18:56 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hello all:

I am in the middle of a critical study on the depiction of science and
scientists in the movies (I've written to this newsgroup before regarding
the project), and I would appreciate some feedback in terms of how you 
think science is portrayed in the movies.  A brief paragraph of your 
impression would do fine, but you can elaborate if you are inclined to.
I would like to see what you think in terms of, for instance, the
accuracy or sophistication of the science shown, the image of the
scientist as being a good guy or a bad guy, whether science is shown
to be good or evil, etc.

Your feedback will form part of the corpus of data I will be using
to draw conclusions on the image of science in the movies.  Part of
the work has also been to screen movies that feature in some
way science and scientists in the story.  I list below the movies
I've viewed so far.  Please, if you can think of any other, email
me.  I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Ahmed

----
Murder in the Rue Rogue
The Bride of Frankenstein
Island of Lost Souls
Dr. Cyclops
The Invisible Man
The Quiet Earth
Brainstorm
Iceman
Phase IV
Colossus
Time After Time
War Games
Altered States
Re-animator
Creator
Starman
The China Syndrome
Android
Brain Dead
Embryo
Terminal Man
Dr. Strangelove
Prince of Darkness
Back to the Future (I, II, III)
Splash
The Manhattan Project
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Sneakers
The Right Stuff
The Gods Must be Crazy
The Fly (I & II)
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From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Beauty and the Beast soundtrack?
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:37:25 GMT


Has the Beauty and the Beast by Disney been put out as a soundtrack?

Does anybody have samples of it for some PC based module player? I am
requesting this because getting the soundtrack here (Finland) is close
to a sheer impossibility but I'd like to hear some examples of the
original music and singing.

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From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: Re: Siskel & Eberts Top 10 of 1992
Organization: CS
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:08:02 GMT

In article <C06IvM.504@news.iastate.edu> s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>I really think that A River Runs Through It should *easily* make a list of the
>year's ten best.  Howards End gets my vote for the very best of those I've
>seen, which ain't the lot.

You've got to be kidding about "River...".  What a boring waste of time.

Maybe because I live in the middle of a lot of the cool scenery I'm jaded, but
for whatever reason, River was not a great film. ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: annoying nuances in films
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Dec26.043610.7591@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> ehigh@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Egyirba High) writes:
/I don't know why this bothers me....

Probably a brain tumor :-)
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:11:17 -0500 
From: Denise Murrin-Macey <dm3x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Most Overrated Actor/Actress

 >Most overrated actress:  Barbra Streisand.  Hands down.  She's also
 >pretty high on the list of overrated singers.  She's rotten.

 >Roy Berridge

While I don't believe that Barbra has proven herself to be a great
actress and possibly is overrated because of her "star" quality, there
has never been a voice quite like hers.  If people hold her in awe, it
is because when it comes to music, she is a well deserved legend in the
business. My only problem is she doesn't sing enough anymore.
    Denise Murrin Macey
From: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: John Wayne movie
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>In rec.arts.movies, bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (Bob Campbell) writes:
.>  Many years ago I saw a John Wayne movie that I think also had
.>  James Arness in it.  It was not a western, though.  They were
.>  both FBI agents or something like that.

.>  Can anyone tell me the title, year, and anyone else in it?
.>  I remember it as being one of his few non-Western, non-military
.>  movies.


BTW, John Wayne has been in quite a few "non-western, non-military"
movies...maybe not a lot, but certainly more than a few..

To name a few off the top of my head:

 "High and Mightly"
 "Trouble Along the Way"
 "Mc-Q"
 "The Quiet Man"
 "The Conqueror"
 "Pittsburgh"
 "Brannigan"
 ..etc...

.
.
.
.
..
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From: curtw@euler.jsc.nasa.gov (Curt Wiederhoeft)
Subject: She's Having a Baby: cameo list?
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co., Houston
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:23:29 GMT

Has anyone out there in netland compiled a list of all the people who
appear at the end of John Hughes' "She's Having a Baby?" And does 
anybody know HOW he got all those people to appear? I mean, I figure 
that Ally Sheedy and Matthew Broderick owed him favors, but the cast 
of "Cheers?" Stewart Copeland? Warren Zevon? What's up with that?

Curt Wiederhoeft
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Critics Awards (so far)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:16:14 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

How can all these critics groups have their decisions made when
the year isn't over?  Have they seen advance screenings of everything
that is yet to be released?
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From: nealet@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Neale Type)
Subject: Re: Most Overrated Actor/Actress
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:00:55 GMT

Greg Bole (bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu) wrote:
: In article <3cm2!fp@rpi.edu>, kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
: 
: > Overrated:
: >   Actor - Kevin Costner
: 
: Ok, ok, after seeing Kevin Costner pop up on 5 out of the last 5 
: "overrated actor" postings, I have to speak up.
: 
: What are you all using as criteria?  Does he make too much money?
: Does he show up in too many movies?  Does he get talked about in the 
: press too much?

He's boring...:-)

He plays the same character in every film, same monotone voice all the
time... I mean Robin Hood was born in England.. At least he should of
made an effort....!!!


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From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: Watchmen
Originator: jon@cyclone
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:44:51 GMT


In article <001201c.39.724693700@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca
SOMEBODY writes:

> >> 
> >> My casting thoughts:
> >> 
> >> Comedian - Nicholson is almost too obvious

NOT to me.  I think the obvious choice for the Comedian is Denis Farina.

He played Turillo on "Crime Story" and has played other tough guy and
thug roles in a variety of movies and tv stuff.

He even LOOKS like the Comedian.


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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 24 Dec 1992 05:31:34 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: (Unsolicited) advice against Blockbuster
 <1992Dec21.005238.20089@en.ecn.purdue.edu> <144127@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>

Well, with this thread going, I feel I have to share something I encountered
at my BB (it was annoying, but not enought to stop going):
  One weekend I got SERIOUSLY into a Mel Brooks mood, so I headed to BB to
grab some of the good stuff.  When I got there, I couldn't find Blazing
Saddles on the rental shelves, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS FOR _SALE_ THERE.  I went
up to the counter, and asked if they carried Blazing Saddles.  After looking
it up the girl said "no".  Tongue firmly in cheek I asked her something like
"You seriously expect me to believe you don't rent a movie you sell?"  I got a
patented salesdrone blank stare and then proceeded to grab a copy of Saddles
off the for sale rack.  Here's the kicker: even after going all the way up to
teh manager, THEY COULDN'T TAKE THE TAPE OFF ONE SHELF AND TURN IT INTO A
RENTAL TAPE!!!  So, I scrapped it, went to Wal-Mart, and watched Blazing
Saddles about 4 times in a row.

Also, I too have noticed the strangely low  Employee to line ratio...

-Tad
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From: estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer)
Subject: Re: res. dogs SPOILERS (really!)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:15:33 GMT

iqv@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>a question


>1)  What was the score at the end of the movie?   It looked like the keitel
>character shot Joe, and fast eddie shot keitel, and joe shot mr orange, but
>who shot fast eddie?  did keitel get off two shots, or was it mr orange, or
>what?  it happened so fast I missed it.

>I thought this was an amazing movie.

>				david sebba

Seems the real question is how did Fast Eddie get shot? Joe was pointing
the gun at Mr. Orange. Keitel was pointing at Joe. Eddie was pointing at 
Keitel. Nobody was pointing at Eddie and Orange just couldn't have taken
another hit! Well, it was a movie, but I sure kept forgetting that little
fact!


Great movie. I phreaked on the torture scene however. 



==================================
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AKA Running Wolf, tail in teeth, howellll
no job, no manager, no prospects, no worries.............
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From: farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Highest gross movies
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:58:22 PST
Organization: BBS

If you really want to know how much money is returned to the film company you
have to read Variety. I know in the annuals they print the movie RENTALS-These
are the funds that the movie compnay gets back(The gross minus whatever the
theaters take). The rentals figures are usually 20-40% less of the grosses.
Then you have to take into account waht the move cost to make plus promotion.
If you look at the grosses one really wonders how Movie companies make money!
You can tell they take alo of hits espcially on the bigger budgeted movies that
need to make 100 million + domesticly to be profitable.
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Movies about the Maya or Cortes?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:31:18 GMT
Keywords: maya

In article <89921@bcsaic.boeing.com> vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver) writes:
> Has there ever been a movie made about Maya people or Aztec?  About Cortes?  
> I've got a friend writing a book about this era/area and would like 
> inspirational fictional movie footage to "get her in the mood!"

I don't know of any movies about the Maya or Aztecs, but I can
recommend ROYAL HUNT OF THE SUN about the Incas (based on the stage
play by Peter Shaffer).  Yes, I know it's about a thousand miles
away, but it does deal with the Spanish conquest.

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From: davidr@cs.uow.edu.au (David Ian Raymond)
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:47:40 GMT

Thanks to all those people who answered.
For those people who were wondering the same thing, that thing that was thrown
in the fire was Kane's sled from when he was a small boy early in the movie.
I guess that meant that that was really the only thing that was important to 
him in life. There's a lot more you can read into that, as some of the replies
I got mentioned.
And to those people who were wondering if I was serious or not, I was.

David
From: ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Digital Dolby (was Re: TOYS)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 17:19:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson)
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<1992Dec28.072327.24351@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)

In a previous article, ac717@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffry L. Johnson) says:

>Sorry, the maximum sound level of 70mm magnetic soundtrack (3% distortion) is 
>100dB.

I better clarify the above statement. This is for 70mm with Dolby A noise 
reduction. I think 70mm with no noise reduction is about 80dB.

>Dolby SR-D has the potential for 105dB.

-- 
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Technologist, HLA Lab, Institute of Pathology, CWRU/Univ. Hosp. of Cleveland
Projectionist, Centrum Theatre;      IATSE Local 160  Officer: Examining Board
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From: cksvih01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: JFK
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:48:43 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I'm sure this movie has been discussed to death, but, not wanting to
know how it came out, I studiously avoided reading any of the posts.
Given Roger Ebert's rave review, I was expecting something at least halfway
decent, but my major reaction was, I must admit, laughter.  Not at the
events, certainly, the Kennedy assassinations are as tragic as anything that's
happened to this country in the last thirty years, but when King Laugh comes,
I doubt him not.  The bad Louisiana accents, maybe, Costner's limning of
Garrison conflating in my mind with Chris Elliott's "The Conspiracy Guy",
I don't know.  I started to lose it after  the second or third time
Costner rushed off after seeing a televised assassination screaming "See! I
told you so!"  I was surprised Stone didn't work in the Trilateral Commission
or the Illumnati.  Some of the logic the characters used also was hilariously
warped:  "Since when does the mob use anything but a .38 up close?" was
particularly notable.  The massive dosage of cameo appearances
had me feeling like I was watching one of those 1970's disaster movies.
John *Candy*, for Chrissakes?  "Triangulated cross-fire, that's the key."
I had a big problem with the three planted shell casing argument -how
would the shooters know how many shots could be accounted for -
that of the six shots "fired", hard evidence would exist for only three?

I'm taking no position on whether or not a conspiracy existed, I just
didn't find many of the arguments Stone used very convincing.  For the
record, though, John Connelly only reported hearing three shots, and said
he never heard the shot which hit him (which would be consistent with a 
delayed reaction).  Heck, Ronald Reagan didn't know *he'd* been shot (at
first, although he figured it out eventually).

So please enlighten me, if you can, as to the substantial merits of this
film.  I'd hate to think I missed something.   I did like the use of
different media, although I was never sure whether what I was watching
was actual footage, or a skillful fake.


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From: walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker)
Subject: HARRISON FORD as "THE FUGITIVE"
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Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:26:42 GMT


From Toronto's EYE WEEKLY, Dec. 17/92
-------------------------------------

FORD AS FUGITIVE

"The final casting for Andrew Davis' (Under Siege) feature-length rendition
of THE FUGITIVE was recently announced, with HARRISON FORD in the leading
role. Based on the 1960's TV series about a man's attempt to prove he's
innocent of murdering his wife, the film's budget is reported to be in the
$30 million plus range. Filming begins in Chicago Jan. 25."


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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane question
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:15:40 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

davidr@cs.uow.edu.au (David Ian Raymond) wrote:
}
}For those people who were wondering the same thing, that thing that was thrown
}in the fire was Kane's sled from when he was a small boy early in the movie.

Another bit of trivia - which may or may not be relevant to the meaning(s)
of Citizen Kane - is that "Rosebud" was reported to be William Randolph
Hearst's nickname for a certain part of Marion Davies' anatomy.

-- 
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   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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