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From: mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Matt Wette)
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Originator: mwette@mr-ed
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:10:16 GMT


In article <1992Nov8.165457.7393@ncsu.edu>, black@akebono.math.ncsu.edu (Kelly Black) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov6.222852.24040@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:
|> |>         At the time, Gainesville had a 48-hour waiting period for gun
|> |> purchases.  Acting on the advice of the retired chief of police,
|> |> law-abiding citizens went out of town to buy guns.  Women needed
|> |> immediate protection from a very real threat that could have struck
|> |> at any moment.  Had a national waiting period been in effect, how many
|> |> more women would have died?
|> |> 
|>                               I do not believe that owning
|> a weapon insures safety unless the owner has the proper
|> respect for its care and use and makes the effort to under-
|> stand the capabilities of the weapon.

Kelly,

While you seem to realize that ownership of a gun does not imply
knowledge of it use, you falsly assume that knowledge of gun use
implies ownership.

I took a gun safety class where a large number of the participants
(including myself) did not possess a gun yet had proper knowledge and
training at the time the course was completed.

Matt
-- 
mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.history
Subject: Re: Founding Fathers
Date: 15 Nov 92 01:54:38 GMT
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1992Nov14.230025.7498@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Seventh Circuit Bound) writes:
|> In article <502kTB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
|> >It also shows me something else. Even in the original Constitution, the 
|> >Native Americans got it in the neck -- even 3/5 is better than 0.  In 
|> >more than one respect, the Founding Fathers were real *mothers.*
|> 
|> It depends on what you think the best course of action was.  What should
|> the Northern states have done?  Insist on prohibiting all forms of slavery?
|> This would have caused the Southern states to refuse to go along with the
|> Constitution at all, there wouldn't have been a US, and there might still
|> be states with slavery.

[I think the original poster's main complaint was about the treatment
of native Americans in any case, but...]

I regard all arguments based in assertions about what people "would"
have done, and what such and such an event "would" have caused with
suspicion.

In this case, we might note that the British Government abolished
slavery in the 1830's (having abolished the slave trade itself in 1807)
and they were not faced with mass uprisings or threats to secede.

Now, I expect that the economic conditions in the US south were
somewhat different, but it would be nice to seem some support beyond
a fiat claim about what "would" have happened.

|> 
|> The Founding Fathers compromised -- by prohibiting slave importation after
|> a certain date and setting up a stronger centralized federal system, they
|> laid the groundwork for the Thirteenth Amendment to abolish slavery later.

Do you mean that they did this knowingly, or did it just happen
that the long-term effects of what they did led to Civil War and 
abolition?    I don't think Hari Seldon was around at that time.

|> 
|> Yes, it's disgusting beyond belief that Africans, Arabs, and Europeans sold
|> Africans into slavery.  But given that there were Southern states in 1787
|> that would not have abolished slavery under any circumstances, I'm curious
|> what it is the Northerners should have done.

Well, one recent example springs to mind.   When Spain, Portugal
and Greece applied for membership of the EC, they were told to clean
up their acts and re-establish democracy first.   

jon.
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: MAGIC (was Re: Whoopi and Ted Danson)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:27:07 GMT

In article <stovall.721096025@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>  
stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
} Nah, I been too busy following the Magic story. Last night, my 
} sister-in-law was by and swore up and down that the doctor she 
} works for saw the word "bisexual" in Magic's Centinela 
} Hospital chart. The latest is some Lansing woman claiming he 
} infected her *after* knowing he was seropositive. Magic claims 
} he definitely was *not* HIV-positive at the time he 
} acknowledges they had sex (1990), so if anything she my be the 
} infector not infectee. This  may be possible to prove in a 
} civil suit by by doing genetic sequencing of the virus 
} variants the two are infected with, comparing the progression 
} of their HIV disease, etc, but its never been done as far as I 
} know. Also, public opinion in LA is turning perceptibly after 
} Magic graphically commented on his sexual exploits during a 
} Prime Time Live interview with a peculiarly unrepentant 
} nonchalance.

Magic's comments on NBC Today with Bryan Gumbel went something  
like "Now, we know that a 6'9" Black Man playing basketball does  
not do that.  If I did that, how could I hide it?  WE (black  
people) would know instantly."

Sad.

Magic, if you're out there, know this.  Black people would blind  
themselves to the evidence of your bisexuality.  Simply because  
you are Magic Johnson.  Even if Black people knew for sure, we  
would force ourselves NOT to know ...

Tell the truth.  If you are, fine.  If you're not ...

Donald
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: single blacks
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:05:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.190955.18351@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>The fact remains that a woman with children is less attractive as a prospect,
>to a single (and especially young, single, and childless) man, than a women
>w/o children in tow.  It seems to me that Kenneth was simply lamenting the
>fact that there are a great many of the former in his neck-o-the-woods.

Give the man a dollar.

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: slp@nsscmail.att.com (Silvia Parris)
Subject: TEST
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:42:46 GMT

This is just a test...please ignore.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re:  Re: Interracial Dating
Date: 8 Nov 1992 18:51:15 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Nov4.154451.17299@gdstech.grumman.com> david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles) writes:
>In article <37507@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct23.130932.3482@gdstech.grumman.com> david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles) writes:
>>
>># These things you gain because the white people who came before you
>># enslaved and all but extinguished the Natives who had nations here
>># before and by enslaving the people of Africa to continue the work.
>>
>>It's true that the colonists stole this land and its resources from
>>the Native Americans.  But it's also true that whatever benefits came
>>from that theft accrue to *everyone* living here now -- including
>>Indians alive today.
>
>No.  That's not true.  You are essentially saying that there is a kind
>of "trickle-down" effect associated with this theft.  The whites take
>the land, blood, culture, and souls of the Natives and Blacks, use
>them, destroy them, then return the damaged goods telling them to be
>thankful for it.
>
>
>You missed the point.  You inherit the right
>
>	NOT to be descriminated against when seeking a housing loan
>	NOT to be descriminated against when seeking a business loan
>	NOT to be descriminated against when buying a house
>	NOT to be descriminated against when looking for a job
>	NOT to be harrassed by police
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
Oh, yeh? Tell that to me again. I'll tell you what it feels like
to have two black LA County Deputy Sheriffs roust me in
South-Central, search my car illegally, question me (and my black friend) 
(separately) as to "Well, where do YOU know HIM from?" (as if there 
is no legitimate reason for a white boy have black friends) - all the time
making it clear that the reason for the stop was: 

       "What you doin' in this neighborhood, white boy?"

Which probably proves that black cops are just as racist as white cops.
Especially, LA County Sheriffs.
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.195256.22335@ntmtv> wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP  
(Warren Watts) writes:
} Well, I don't feel that I'm doing anyone a favor, I'm just 
} trying to ...

Warren, only the first line was directed to you.  The rest was  
directed to Phil.I'm sorry if that wasn't obvious ...

Please accept my most sincere apologies ...

Donald 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Clinton's In, Bushie's OUT!
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:59:56 GMT

In article <1d9rv6INNluc@morrow.stanford.edu> Gabrielle Daniels,
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu writes:
>Let's give President Clinton a chance to show his stuff.  I only
>hope Hillary gets herself some new clothes--my girl was rather ratty
>looking in Arkansas last night--as well as fulfill her role as the
>new Eleanor Roosevelt.

I'd rather see her fulfill her role as the new Robert Kennedy.
Wouldn't you?

Charlie
From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:12:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american


does anyone have a bio on the first AA woman to represent
georgia?  i'd liek to see it posted here if you would be
so kind...

peace,
pjm.
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: VIBE !!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

DAA>media uses us?  I'm SO glad that I'm cancelling my subscription
DAA>to Rolling Stone (and subscribing to VIBE).  You can't put a
DAA>price on dignity.  In my opinion, Spike is losing his fast ...

Did you know... ?

...that the editor-in-chief of Vibe is Jonathan van Meter, Gay and White
as snow? See Advocate, iss. 615, p. 72.

ROTFLMAO!!!

To all non-White-o-phobic: VIBE is great!!!
The first sensible magazine about HipHop and its political background.
Very well written articles. I started my subscription immediately! Check
it out!

DAA>Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!

greetinx, Carl

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From: barber@jazz.concert.net (Scott Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A Comment on A Local Talk Show
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:57:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: rock.1992Nov10.205706.7111
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network

In article <1992Nov10.125838.11791@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.145133.5132@rock.concert.net>, 
>bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) said:
>
>> I intend to write a letter to the management of the station and the
>> FCC concerning this incident.  I think that this also points to a
>> larger problem that is taking place in this country when talk show
>> host are allowed to play to the fears of their listeners in order to
>> do well in the ratings.  I would think that somewhere in this
>> process that these people should be held responsible for the actions
>> of those people who fears they play to.  Often times these fears are
>> based in racist stereotypes that are completely unfounded.  I have
>> no problem with political differences being expressed but not to the
>> point where it may result in violence.
>
>Sounds to me as though you're advocating the censorship of the
>expression of ideas and beliefs.  Not good.
>
>-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

I'm sure Carter can defend his own position regarding free express,
so I won't speak for him.

For me, though, I'd point out that there is a huge gulf of a
difference between the free expression of IDEAS and BELIEFS and the
advocacy of violence, indeed murder, on the public airwaves.  

There are protections against people yelling "Fire!" in crowded 
theatres.  This seems to be a wise restriction on public expression, 
and I don't believe our freedom of speech suffers from it.

--------------------------

P.S.  I do wish that there could be more effort to incorporate ethical
considerations in political discourse.  So much of what I read in
these groups is debate between moralistic viewpoints on the one hand
and legalistic ones on the other.  

Rather than tending to look at what our rights are and what they are
not, I am calling for us to think more of what our opportunities are 
for making our lives better, individually AND collectively.

Scott

Scott Barber		  "I voted for the crazy, bozo, ozone men."
barber@jazz.concert.net		--- Tuesday, November Third  ---
MCNC, RTP, NC, BVD		--- Many Voted, Bush Retired ---
					(Anagramatized!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Malik Shabazz, Islam and Anti-Semitism (Re: Cultural leaders, cu
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:55:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov5.143631.20326@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>I never said that these quotes reflect the attitude of Islam. The
>question was whether such opinions existed in the Muslim world. I 
>have also emphasized that most of the quotes were made just before
>the '67 war, and probably do not reflect the "average attitude"
>toward Jews.


But recall how this thread started.  Stromer commented that because
Malcolm X was a Muslim, he was presumbably an anti-semite as well.  

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Islam & African_Americans
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:31:25 GMT

walid@dhvx20.csudh.edu wrote:
: Salam,
: A Muslim sister is doing research on Islam in N.American and needs info.
: on articles, books, papers etc concerning specific components on this
: topic. The areas which are needed the most are Conversion to Islam and
: the experience of African-Americans who were part of the Nation of Islam
: and who now follow traditional Islam. Since she does not have access to
: nnews, please forward any assitance to her at the following address:
: 		KEBARKER@CC.OWU.EDU
: 
: Salam

I  like to disturb your idealism with a shy note:

Still until 1960's it was quite legal in Saudi-Arabia to have slaves,
the slaves were from Africa. The law was abolished just c.30 years ago,
so when there was a discussion whether today's american whities are
resposible for the slavery of the previous centuries we can have look at 
an Islamic country where still lives people who have own experiences
of having own slaves quite legally.

That tradition was very long and first from the pressure of the outside
world Saudi-Arabia abolished slavery and we do not speak about the time
 centuries ago, but about the time of 1960' when people where listening to 
Beatles and Rolling Stones and demonstrating against Viethnam-war.
Regards,
Jarmo Ryyti
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: G87CC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Nigger" DIs and "Nigger" Dat
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:53:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: CUNYVM.92314.195325G87CC
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


Although I am not a part of your conversation I am curious to what
your perspective would be on the idea that to use the word "nigger"
implies internalization of all of the conceptions that came with
the term.

     Please excuse me for intruding.
     D. Nelson
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 09:28:43 -0500 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DEBATE: Statement - 10/19/92
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 5-Nov-92 Re: DEBATE:
Statement - 10/.. by George Horwath@rtsg.mot. 
> >     The rich are a peculiar breed, you see.  They've got enough money to
> >tax, but given a choice, they'd just as soon pay it to lawyers to fight
> >the government than let them take it.  That and they've got enough to hide.
> >The poor haven't got the money.  The only people with the money to bother
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >taxing and who don't have enough to protect themselves are the middle
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >class, which is why they will, as they always do, get stuck.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >     Clinton's perfectly safe offering an increase of 5% on the rich.  He
> >knows full well they'll pay very little for it.

First, this is not historically true.  As late as 1960, although CEO's
from the 100 largest American firms were making 40 times what line
production workers were, they were being taxed at a rate of up to 80%. 
It has been done before and, conceivably, can be done again.

>  
>  
> Thank you, Mr. Veal. Well said - my point exactly. If Mr. Clinton and his
> party were to abolish the current income tax system and go to a "file
> your return on a postcard" scheme where there are no deductions and a 
> simple progressive income tax - send in the % of your income for your
> bracket, I'd almost believe it. (No doubt there would still be arguments
> about what "fair" and "progressive" really mean.)

From everything I've read of his reforms, and from what I've read about
the subject from Robert Reich (an Oxford pal, a Harvard economist, and
perhaps Clinton's next Secretary of State), Clinton plans to attempt to
roll changes through eliminating the legal loopholes you allude to.
From: atomic_dog@nuyaz (The Atomic Dog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Interracial Dating (The Atomic Dog Speaks)
Summary: I'm great and I know It
Keywords: FUCK EM
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:56:09 GMT
Followup-To: Excessive Bullshit
Distribution: ca
Organization: The Society of the Mind
Originator: earl@psycho

I have been following the discussion on interracial dating for some time
and have finally decided to voice my own personal opinion. First of all,
the Atomic Dog's number one rule for making decisions in life is -- FUCK EM!

For example, 
If someone doesn't like the things you do -- FUCK EM. 
If someone doesn't like the things you say -- FUCK EM.
If someone doesn't like the way you look or dress -- FUCK EM.
If someone complains about my spelling in this article -- FUCK EM. (CHUCKLES).
If a fine looking babe offers up some nice booty -- FUCK EM. (LAUGHTER).
If a babe calls you a dog -- don't FUCK HER -- FUCK HER best friend. (LOUD LAUGHTER).
.. by now you should get the idea ...

Rule number 2: 
If you are not happy with your behavior or can't live with the consequences 
of following Rule 1 then change your behavior, otherwise -- FUCK EM -- and 
keep on doing what makes you happy or what's right for you. This doesn't 
mean treat people like shit and so on. I treat people like I want to be treated
but I don't try to impose my will on them or let them do it to me, we just
agree to disagree. (EVERYONE NODS THEIR HEADS IN AGREEMENT).

For example, IM(-not-so-)HO am an attractive, professional, black male, mid-20's. 
I do not use drugs, I have a good job, I am not a fag (excuse me homosexual).
I was born and raised a poor black child in Wash. D.C. (i.e. Dodge City),
thru hardwork and determination I got my degree from MIT and well the rest
the history. So, using the Essence Magazine male evaluation method I am 
considered a good catch. So, being such a good catch, I would be a fool not
to use this to my advantage. That is, I should be able to date as many women 
and whichever women I can IF I CHOOSE TO DO SO. However, black women
have ordained that ALL "good" black men MUST marry only black women. Now personally
I LOVE black women and prefer to date them because I have more in common with
them (and I love those big onions), however I do date other races. 
If someone doesn't like it -- FUCK EM. 

Truth be told, we all know that if the roles were reversed and there was a so 
called "shortage of good black women", that these women would use and abuse it 
to make black men jump thru all sorts of hoops to court them. (THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE FROM MEN).
However that is not the case -- thank God. So, if you are a "good" black man milk
it for all its worth baby. Then when you get the dog out of your system and you're
ready to settle down and get married choose the women who makes you happy.

I know some of this might sound arrogant or conceited but at least it was honest.
For those of you who might not agree with me -- more power to you.
For those of you who might think something is wrong with me -- FUCK YOU.
(THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE FROM THE CROWD AS HE CLIMBS DOWN OFF HIS SOAPBOX).

The Atomic Dog has spoken
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re Colin Powell
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:48:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: opie.1992Nov12.204805.1
Organization: Bowling Green State University

It can't see Colin Powell playing a big part in Clinton's administration.
I believe he will remain Joint Chief.  Clinton would catch a lot of grief from
black leaders if he was to replace Powell with someone else.   Powell is agains
t gay's in the services, so I can care less if he keeps his job or not.