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Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:36:10 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com's message of 25 Sep 92 20:05:34 GMT

>>>>> On 25 Sep 92 20:05:34 GMT, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) said:

> In article <1992Sep24.231339.8882@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>> HEY COMMODORE, PAY ATTENTION ...
>> 
>> My opinions for what they are worth...
>> 
>> 1) Minimum CPU in any of your systems ... 68030. If a company like
>>    Atari can follow Apple's lead, then so should you. 

I hadn't noticed announcements Atari were dropping support of their
 existing machines...

> Interesting notion.  Should we just stop selling A500's and A600's
> in favor of a model with an '030 that retails for $100-$200 more
> as our low end.  Does that make sense or should we both provide a
> higher performance model and keep the low end units until such time
> as the marketplace tells us that 16-bits doesn't sell at any price-point?

Since the C64 is still selling, I guess that point is a long way off.

Whether an A600 with AGA chips is worthwhile would depend on the pricing, 
but would appear to be nice for a games machine competing with cheap VGA
clones. The important things is that this shouldn't hold up features
that do require more powerful machines (e.g. virtual memory).

>>  3) CD-ROM or a CDTV SOLUTION for all your products. 
> A good idea.  SCSI CD-ROM should work with any of them, given that
> someone comes up with a SCSI PCMCIA card for the A600.  CDTV is a
> more diffcult issue.
I bought a 2000 rather than a 1500 because of the greater expandibility
(and because A3000s were seriously overpriced in the UK, and even finding
someone who sold one/knew about it was hard). A CDTV drive is available for 
the A500, but not the A2000.
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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Price Report from Silicon Valley
Keywords: Oct. 2, 1992
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:39:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

1) A3000 - $1499 (3 left in stock)
2) Free CDTV deal never really existed. Talked about for two
   weeks but cancelled by C=. Some distributors even had ads
   printed up.
3) No A4000 in the valley yet...

                   WHAT IS THE HOLDUP ?
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From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:24:57 GMT

eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:

>Ooooooooo... So, as a consequence, the 68030 runs BELOW its max speed at
>a certain clockrate, no burst mode.. 68030 and BLiTTER can NOT run at
>the same time without slowing each other down, sounds just dreamy...   

>A 68020 in an AGA Amiga computer will freakin' dump on this thing.

 But it's still nice to see how many applications run faster on a
humble Atari 520ST computer (compared to an Amiga 500).

 I know the CPU's supposed to run faster if it isn't delayed by video
DMA, but is there a working Amiga system where this (speed improvement)
effect really shows? Can it be achieved on an A500 (without a mother
board replacement)?

 And please do no brag about what it _could_ be like or _will_ be like
when the next-generation Amigas are released. The multiple bus
technique has been available ever since the Amiga 1000 was released, hasn't
it?

 Anders Skelander

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: 4000: Is it so great?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:54:04 GMT

>In article <1992Sep25.184419.12964@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep24.173919.8255@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep24.032135.20021@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>>>/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
>>>
>>>Ian, how many copies of OS/2 will have to be sold before Microsoft
>>>realizes how much money they're losing by not entering the game?
>>
>>We will enter the game. On our own terms with an OS written by a small
>>closely knit group studmuffin developers. Not some monstrosity
>>coded by a commitee of 400 suit wearing
>>dorks fighting inter-departmental turf wars at a company nobody
>>trusts. IBMs top heavy 1960s heavy handed management beaurocracy was
>>one of the reasons the IBM-MS thing fell apart.

No, I mean, Microsoft produces software.  How many software-buying OS/2
users do there have to be before Microsoft revises Excel, Word, etc.
for OS/2 2.0?  I mean, Microsoft sells lotsa copies of Word and Excel 
for the Mac - the only real competition to PC - which mostly run MS-DOS.

Again: how many copies of OS/2 have to sell before Microsoft realizes
how much money it is NOT MAKING (better?) by not developing software
for it? And thus start making the software?

>>/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
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*
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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:18:39 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

In article <1ab4fuINNeuj@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
>Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
>Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:47:26 GMT
>mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>: In article <53697@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>: >	I have my computer set up so that every time it "beeps", it
>: >shuts down.  This is a great time saver.
>: >                                                        Dan
>: That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.  Imagine... shut down
>: when it beeps!  I guess I have to bring up the obvious problem here...
>: 
>: If it shuts down, how do you know if it beeped or not?
>
>Because it shut down, you twit!!!
>							   Greg
Um, I think you mean it beeps BEFORE shutdown!
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:42:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
>
>Hmm.. Let's see you put an AT 16 bit graphics or sound card into an XT
>machine, what?  You have to upgrade your motherboard to do it?
>

Mouthing off like this without knowing the facts doesn't help your
credibility any.  Most 16-bit VGA cards work just fine in 8-bit XT slots.
That's right, the extension part of the card edge connector just sort of
hangs there, but it works.

>
>oh gee.. Let's
>see you put an XGA card in your ISA system, what?  XGA is only produced for
>Micro Channel systems? oh no.. let's see you put a 32 bit Bus Mastering SCSI
>EISA controller into your ISA system... won't work?  gee.. 
>

There has to be *some* advantage to buying a high-end system, no?  You're
right, you can't just take a 1983 XT and make it act like a 1992 EISA 486.
But you *can* get high-res VGA graphics for it, SCSI, sound, etc.
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Toaster for Falcon?
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:17:42 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <fapzfp#@rpi.edu> jamesb@rpi.edu writes:
> What if New-Tek developed a Toaster for the Falcon? With the economical
> advantage of the Falcon, could there possibly be a video studio that
> costs less than $3500? What would happen to the Amiga if there was a
> Falcon Toaster that was cheaper and faster than an Amiga Toaster?  My
> roomate, an Atari user feels that the time is long overdue for New-Tek
> to cross over to other platforms. I calmly told him that the Toaster is
> dependant on the Amiga's unique architecture, but he wouldn't shut up.
> Can anybody settle this for us?  He insists that the Falcon architcture
> is much too revolutionary for New-Tek to ignore, and is graphically
> superior than the Amiga. He thinks that he can convert me in to an
> Atari user. Although the Falcon is a pretty good computer....  >

Tell you friend that the Falcon sounds like a pretty nice system,
assuming what ships is as described, but there really isn't anything
revoloutionary about it.  Basically a TT system with enhanced video
and a DSP tacked on.
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 2 Oct 1992 07:53:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
: Very limited amount of memory for the Falcon's DSP?  Oh, ok, pal...
: Obviously you don't realize that the 32Kwords of StaticRAM available to the
: DSP is FOUR TIMES the amount available to the DSP on the NeXT's.....

I'm sure that's been realized.  But 32Kwords isn't a whole bunch now,
is it?

Greg

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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:43:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.214112.12625@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
>Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
>Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 21:41:12 GMT
>In article <wl-zq3a@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>>
>>MODS "aren't that great"!?!?!? Have you gone completely crazy???
>>
>
>Don't get me wrong; MODs are about the best "compressed" music format I've
>seen, but it would be nice to have a higher-quality MOD format (I thought
>there already was one).
>>All you've just done is proven you've never heard a MOD - at least, not on 
>>an Amiga.
>
>Oh please; of course I have.  They're not bad, but the sound (8-bit samples)
>is still only a little better than "telephone quality with stereo".

I think you are seriously misinformed if you think it's telephone quality.
Unless you have digital exchanges and fibre-optic cables, like we have in
some parts of Australia on a wide-scale, it's not telephone quality sound.
I also doubt whether you could tell the difference between 8 bit digital and 
FM music, unless you were a classically trained musician.

Frequency Modulated sythesized sound on the PC would be more analogous to 
telephone quality.  Digital sound is more akin to CD quality and FM is to 
AM transitor radios.

>>The fact that the PC has very little power in the realm of analog sound 
output.
>>Even the mighty SoundBlaster is primarily a beep-generator. You can 
get the
>>same sort of sound by tying together a few PC's with internal 
speakers, each
>>playing different bits of the soundtrack.

>That's complete nonsense.  All you've just done is proven you've never heard
>a SoundBlaster playing MODs or FM music.  And that's a *lowly* SoundBlaster.
>Games are just now starting to have explicit support for the ProAudioSpectrum
>cards.

It's not really nonsense.  It's still Frequency Modulated!

Having EXPLICIT support and actually using the features are two separate 
things.  How many sound channels does the average games use?  For example, 
if the sound-tracks were written for an eight voice card, then if the game 
had a compatible driver for your super-duper 64 voice card, I doubt if you 
would suddenly hear 64 voices, would you?

I've listened to Amiga mods played on the IBM.  Pitty that IBM people lack
the creativity to write their own mods.  One of my friends had HIS mod 
playing at an IBM show.  Boy was he annoyed having his music promoting an
(I) (B)ought a (M)istake clown!

>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dave _IS_ God.  (was Re: Here's one for ya...)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:05:06 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <35592@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>Boy, Dave, your groupies are just crawling out of the woodwork.  :)
>
>Or from under rocks.  Something tells me they aren't anything like the 
>groupies who follow Axl Rose around...

You're right...  so far, they're all men.  Looks bad for ya, doesn't
it?  :)  Anyways...  Actually, he did say "daveh".  They're not
actually worshipping you, they're worshipping your unix account.  :D

>>Then you toss Display PostScript on top of it, ...
> Hmmm....      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Alright, already, enough with the hints, subliminal or otherwise.  Lew already
>said RTG goes into 4.0!  And I have nothing to do with system software!

Sorry, reference to a NeXT, had to be done.  :)  I think that
Metallica is getting to you.  :D

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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:52:26 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

> So, does anyone know what's a reasonable capacity loss in a multi-
>tasking system? (Running one task, compared to a single-task system
>running one task.) 

I would imagine that the difference is negligable.  Having a multi-
tasking OS does not necessarily mean that it is in your way all
the time when you have only one task running.  There might be a slight
bit more work during interrupts, but not much.
-- 
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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Telephone lines (was: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel)
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:13:56 GMT

In article <10667547.227.717651804@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>
>I think you are seriously misinformed if you think it's telephone quality.
>Unless you have digital exchanges and fibre-optic cables, like we have in
>some parts of Australia on a wide-scale, it's not telephone quality sound.

I'm typing this now while logged into a computer 1700 km away in Brisbane,
through an ISDN line from a small rural town (Mareeba) of 6000 people.  Not bad
telephone technology, but having a 64 kbps data line through ISDN doesn't help
voice calls any.

You see, in a digital phone network, voice calls are still band-limited to
not much more than analog phone lines.  The idea being that, to allow more
channels to be carried between towns and cities through microwave and fibre
links, the bandwidth of each channel must be limited.  To allow for as many
voice calls as possible, the quality of each remains poor even in a digital
network.

>Frequency Modulated sythesized sound on the PC would be more analogous to 
>telephone quality.  Digital sound is more akin to CD quality and FM is to 
>AM transitor radios.

Sorry, but this is rubbish.  "Digital sound" by itself is meaningless.  When
describing audio, what matters is bandwidth, SNR (noise) and dynamic range.
You can't just say that digital samples are better than FM synthesis.


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 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Conversations with my buddy.
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:35:10 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <66923@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>He also admitted that Windows freezes when is doing a disk access.
>>He just replied "I am waiting for Windows/NT".
>
>Now THAT'S a conversation stopper. At least Microsoft is consistent;
>no matter what complaint you have against any of their products,
>the answer is always "Just wait for Windows NT".

A friend of mine has seen and used NT.  It's slow and bloated.

The new joke might be:

The Boss walks into an office where the employee is running NT.  The employee
is sitting there, looking out the window.

Boss:  "What the hell are you doing?"

Employee:  "I am waiting for Windows/NT."

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From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:46:05 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct1.061826.4148@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>Some folks here are already beginning to gripe about C=
>not releasing information about the AGA chip set. They
>tell us they don't want us to "hit" the hardware but
>instead only use authorized system routines.
                  ~~~~~~~~~~
How about that? Have we ever told you to use unauthorized routines? I don't
think so. Only now, the authorized routines are at a higher level than the
hardware registers.

Look, let's say that you reverse engineer all our work, and write a whizz-bang
game that uses loads of wonderful AA features by hitting the hardware. Then
suppose that next year we bring out another machine based on a different chip
set that can do even more wonderful things than AA can. BUT, this new chip set
doesn't have the same registers as AA. Why not? Because our chip designers could
build the new chip set faster and cheaper than if it had to worry about AA
register compatibility. That's reasonable isn't it? After all, only myself and
Chris Green need to know how to program these chips.

Oh.  Hang on a second.  This wonderful whizz-bang AA game of yours doesn't work
on this new super-duper Amiga, so who do the customers complain to?  Not you.
Us!

>PUBLISH THE SPECS/REGISTERS OF THE AGA CHIPSET

Shan't!
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: test
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:09:07 GMT
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab

\
   System test.....

- Raist
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Subject: Re: RE:Amiga 4000 vs. Atari FALCON: Hooray, Lizardshit, FUCK!
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:32:37 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: spamboy@illiterate.edu's message of Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:56:17 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:56:17 GMT, spamboy@illiterate.edu (Yeff Jung) said:
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>     Cyberpunk      * Frizzle Fry!"  (dvan@spumco.cts.com)      *PRIMUS!*  *
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

David, you might want to try leaving your .sig off forged postings :-)
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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: a3000t and mac quadra
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:50 EST


M0>QuickTime is kinda neat, but be warned that performance goes to hell with
M0>windows much larger than the teeny ones most of their movies seem to use.
M0>Well below 1 fps with a large window. When you get down to it, QT's really
M0>just an anim player with the feature that anims can be pasted (to what end,
M0>I'm not sure, but the ability's there) into applications that support it.
M0>Shrug. But it does look cool, playing anims in a window like that.

 Everytime I see a show convering multimedia on TV they show a number of 
different computers but always spend more time on the MAC. The funny thing is
they show QuickTime animations but they are always in a tiny window. It was
enough to convince a friend of mine that he wanted a Mac. I went with him to 
take a look at a few Macs. He told the salesperson what he saw on TV. The 
salesperson said yes the Mac is the best multimedia machine and began to show
him quicktime. Of course it was in a little window. I asked if hey could 
show us a larger window. Well 10 minutes later my friend lost the urge to
buy a Mac. hehe
 
 Now he wants to buy an Amiga 4000 when it becomes available.

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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