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From: plm@reggae.cam.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt)
Subject: Re: Jamaica gone to perdition!
Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:24:35
	<1993Jan22.142144.20816@ultb.isc.rit.edu>

>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:21:44 GMT, pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC) said:
> Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu

> Richard, I don't know which utopia you are presently living in but, the
> problems you described seem pretty universal to me. The trouble in Jamaica
> is always exaggerated by those of us who hear it second hand or who have
> recently had to face it. As the saying goes, No Whe' No Betta Dan Yard. 
> Foreign Lands are  just as bad but, we delude ourselves into thinking 
> otherwise.

I just came back from 4 weeks in JA.  And I enjoyed every minute of it.
I had to stop and think every now and then, how come things seems to be
going backward for some people.  I watched the the local news and read the
paper and compared it to what was going on back here on the various news
casts being beamed in via satellite and concluded that JA is just like any
other place in the world.  I felt safer there than say Brooklyn or Bronx, NY.

The city areas is still plagued with the same crimes
that I used to hear about when I lived in the country.  So for me It was no
big surprise to see what I saw when I was there.

One of the big problems in JA is that we fail to realize that our main
source of income is agriculture.  So lots of land goes wasted, while
everyones trying to mek-a-money selling foreign made goods.

---
	"Jamaica is a little nice great place.  Mi really love
	Jamaica, because mi walk plenty stone land inna Jamaica and plenty
	hills.  But ah think we really need a direction.  Not a big ol'
	signing up this and signing up that, but a direction in your own
	country.  Wah happen to the earth.  An mean wi have to till the soil.
	An' it noh call fi slavery fi do that.  It just call fi understanding."
		Bob Marley - Interviews
	
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From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: PR:Growing Protest of Language Law
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:25:00 GMT
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Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Jan 25 20:25:00 1993


Subject: PR:Growing Protest of Language Law
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)



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From el diario/La Prensa

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Puerto Rico: Protests Grow Against Language Bill

On January 20 the Movement for Puerto Rican Affirmation 
carried out a vigil protesting the legislation which is 
attempting to establish English as a language parallel to Spanish
on the island of Puerto Rico. The founder of the Puerto Rican 
Cultural Institute, Ricardo Alegria, called a press conference, 
on January 19, in which he said the People's Committee in Defense 
of Spanish received immediate support for a march called for 
January 24. The historian said the march will not be sectarian, 
although it was organized by the Puerto Rican Independence Party 
(PIP), and would include cultural, religious, artistic and union 
groups, including the Episcopal, Evangelical and Methodist 
churches, as well as the Committee of Union Organizations and the
Teachers' Federation, all under one flag, the Puerto Rican flag. 

A commission from the Puerto Rican House of Representatives,
dominated by the New Progressive Party (PNP), approved on January
18 a bill which would recognize the interchangable use of English
with Spanish, with both being official languages of Puerto Rico.

The president of the Popular Christian Party (PPD), Victoria
Munoz, said the move is to promote assimilation and an attempt 
"to bring statehood [to Puerto Rico] through the back door." She 
added that the PNP wants to show the US congress that in Puerto 
Rico English and Spanish are spoken equally, which she considers 
to be a "shameless trick." She also demanded that the bill 
include an article which makes Spanish the language used in 
teaching in the public schools as well as in the courts.

At the same time, David Noriega, of the PIP, said that it is
false to say that during nine decades English and Spanish were 
used indistinctly from one another as instruments of 
communication. In his presentation before the committee studying 
the bill, he pointed out that it [the bill] overlooked the Puerto
Rican struggle to defend Spanish in the face of attempted US 
domination. (edlp 01/20/93 byline Claudio Alvarez Dunn) 


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From: v117qh7z@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ivor G Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: RE: JAMAICA GONE TO PERDITION (Real deal)
Keywords: graphic detials
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	In reference to (1993 Jan 26. 223540.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu) Richard L.
Dennison article.  I don't know if I should condemn you or commend you for
showing us such graphic detials about JA but I guest that the truth really
hurts.  It seems to me that you write your article with a lot of anger, can
I blame you, I guest not.  Although your article is hard to bare because it
is so convincing due to its graphic detials, I guess that certain issues 
pertaining to JA as taken a turn for the worst.  Since I have not return to
Jamaica since I left in 1986 I haven't seen how things there have become
more corrupted but anyhow I can only hope now that things will eventually
take a turn for the better.  Richard you claim that you have real life
examples of certain issues for us to look into, so let us see these examples
then, so that we can judge things in our own mind.  What you have explain
in your article could be more than enough but I have to look into everything.

		Ivor Reid
		IE Dept.
		Suny at Buffalo
From: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Re Lewis Galdy...
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:58:15 GMT
Reply-To: pac8702@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Thanks for that one Franco, you must have been on 'Schools Challenge'.

Regarding the damage at Mona, perhaps you could try reaching them at 

IN%"manison@uwimona.edu.jm" 

I won't manage to link up with that side before the weekend.

P.C.

*
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From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: Kissinger Diagnoses Aristide
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:47:00 GMT
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Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Jan 25 20:47:00 1993


Subject: Kissinger Diagnoses Aristide
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit

From el diario/La Prensa

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Haiti/US

Kissinger Calls Someone Else a Murderer and Psychopath?

In an interview with right-wing television commentator 
Charles McLaughlin, former US Secretary of State Henry A. 
Kissinger said deposed Hatian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide is
a "proven murderer and psychopath," although he acknowledged that
Haiti "is not one of my strong points." The interview took place 
at the same time as the Haitian military announced that it had 
accepted an international plan to have Aristide re-installed as 
President of Haiti. Representatives of General Raoul Cedras' de 
facto goverment had accused Aristide of having, during his brief 
administration, promoted the death of many Duvalier agents in the
Ton Ton Macoutes and others. The Human Rights Commission of the 
Organization of American States acknowledged in the first months 
after Aristide's installation that "there had been numerous 
incidents of popular justice," although they were not attributed 
to the President. The organization said that, on the contrary, 
Aristide created a commission of well-known people to put an end 
to "the crimes and human rights violations, especially putting 
automobile tires on the shoulders of victims and setting them on 
fire."                   

Kissinger said in the interview that he did not approve of 
Cedras' coup but "it is very strange, all this pressure to have a
proven murderer and psychopath returned. There should be a lot of
care taken in this area." Kissinger said Haiti's problem will not
be solved by freezing immigration but through negotiations by the 
Haitians themselves. Upon being reminded that Aristide had been 
elected by a broad majority of the Haitian people, Kissinger 
reponded that "I understand that what is wanted to bring him in 
as a symbolic figure but that the power will be in the hands of 
others. In any case, it is difficult for me to shed any tears for
Aristide," concluded Kissinger. (edlp 01/20/93 from AP)



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From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:48:55 GMT

>In article <C1Grz1.6JH@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>
>   rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
>
>   >This, I believe, is the strength of America, or was. When we truly
>   >were a melting pot, assimilating all comers, we forged the American
>   >ideal. Perhaps we are still doing that today, but I have my doubts.

I'm the slag on the American melting pot!  :-)
(Irish-German-English-French-Spanish-American Indian)
(I have no ethnic identity other than generic American)

I'm from New Jersey    :-)
From: gwelty@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: QUERY: Hillary Clinton's Published Writings???
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:23:19 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

Does anyone know of an archive or other e-source where I can find
most or all of Hillary Clinton's published writings?  If so, please
e-mail me privately.

Thanks,
Gordon Welty
GWELTY@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU


Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:51:52 GMT

In article <C1IuIz.GEC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.120132.21873@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>>In article <rdavis.728008225@connie.de.convex.com> rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:
>>>Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>>>
>
>I am sorry you didn't enjoy Iowa, however [assuming you mean products
>not produce (= food)] I did not find the same "abysmal" state of affairs
>that you seemed to have.  Iowa is a bit remote if someone enjoys cities
>and what they have to offer, Iowa also has many colleges with good libraries
>so I suspect your '45 minutes' contention (but if you were driving as
>slow as most Iowans do, then....:)).

	By produce I meant things like fruit and vegetables, yes,
	I really did not find them to be of good quality.
	We had exhausted the possibilities of our local libraries
	within about three months of arriving and the only place
	we could satisfy our rather broad range of tastes was the
	library at ISU, a mere 40 miles north.  An acquaintance
	(U.S. as it happens) later observed that public libraries
	seem to go downhill west of the Mississippi.
>
>In what way were European Areas better?  Please elaborate!
>Lets get this into a discussion, not an arguement!

	O.K., what do you want to start with?

>
>>      As far as quality is concerned, I think you have that mixed up.
>>      My impression of American consumer goods is that quality is not
>>      that great and it is frequently sacrificed to keep prices low
>>      while adding "features" that have no use.  Quality of U.S.
>>      products can be very good, but the range of quality is far
>>      greater than one could get away with in Europe.  Did you
>>      ever wonder why European products have been making so much
>>      headway in the U.S.?  Helpful hint: they're not cheaper.
>
>I am not talking about product quality (though I feel you are mistaken
>there as well - the '70s mentality of management outside of Detroit is
>gone), I was referring to quickness, politeness and efficiency of
>SERVICE.  The move AWAY from the mass market into more personal
>service:  Cellular phones, Subject-oriented Cable/TV channels and
>radio stations, 24 hour turnaround on delivery of software and
>other goods, and so on.
>
>Which Europen good are you talking about?  Can't be cars, and if I
>recall, isn't there a trade deficit you all have with the US?

	I don't think I was as clear as I could have been.  I was
	trying to talk about the average product (in the hypothetical
	average field).  The best products of U.S. origin in any given
	field are as good or better than anyone else's.  What I am
	concerned about is the average-priced average-features piece
	of consumer goods that most people can afford.  There I think
	that Europe wins.  This might explain why my mother's
	20-year old German washing machine does a better job than
	our four-year-old top of the line Sears.

	Alec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<CINDY.93Jan24141023@solan10.solan.unit.no>
	<1993Jan24.154631.1283@athena.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:26:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.154631.1283@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:

   p.s. what a strange language we have. why is immigration spelled with
	two "m"s and emigration with one? i'll never figure out English.
   --
   charles


This is too tempting to pass up.  The latin word *migrare*, past
participle *migratus*, gives us *migrate*.  "In", in latin, is *in*,
but if you try to say "inmigration" at normal conversational speed,
the "n" will change to an "m," giving "immigration."

"Out," on the other hand, is *ex* which becomes *e-* before
consonants, hence, "emigration."

Spelling reform, you ask?  Maybe one day, but print will look funny to
us afterward, and after a generation or two, no one will be able to
read anything we've written, or for that matter what anyone before us
wrote (to imagine this fully, visit your local large library).  In the
meantime I think of speedwriting course ads: "if u cn rd ths, u cn gt
a gd jb"
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|`The State exists simply to promote and to protect the ordinary       |
|happiness of human beings in this life.  A husband and wife chatting  |
|over a fire, a couple of friends having a game of darts in a pub, a   |
|man reading a book in his own room or digging in his own garden---that|
|is what the State is there for.  And unless they are helping to       |
|increase and prolong and protect such moments, all the laws,          |
|parliaments, armies, courts, police, economics, etc., are simply a    |
|waste of time.' -C.S. Lewis					       | 
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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:39:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <luden.73.727560755@lehigh.edu>, luden@lehigh.edu (Dean E. Nelson)
wr ites: >In article <ANDRE.93Jan19160926@king.slc.mentorg.com>
>andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes: > >>Remind me never to visit
PA either.  These Eastern states with their political might, >>just don't
seem to understand that there are hundreds of miles between major >>cities
out west, and the interstates are mostly vacant, hence the majority of
>>drivers just outright ignore the law.  Other states like Montana, will pull
yo u over, >>apologise for pulling you over, ask you for 5 bucks, apologise
again, and expl ain that >>your 90 miles an hour in the 55 will not appear on
your record, then give you a >>receipt for your 5 bucks, and send you on your
way. (Don't try this at night t hough). > >In North Dakota the fine is $1 for
every mile an hour over the speed >limit, an they are not apologetic, but
expect an amiable exchange of >ticket for nominal fee.  I live in PA now and
have driven over the >speed limit ever since I got here, even past the State
Police waiting >with their radar guns.  Either my truck has stealth
properties or >they don't enforce the speed limit within 10 mph. > >Dean
Nelson  den0@lehigh.edu >

Typically, PA gives a 5 MPH grade limit.  I think for the lower infractions
(going 1 - 10 MPH over), the Staties take into consideration the traffic
volume, traffic flow, hether the driving is reckless (weaving in and out),
etc.  from what I've observed, they try to concentrate on the abusive driver.

As fas as not understanding interstates out west, well, I think we here in the
East know the difference, even the Staties do, but cities are closer together
here, accident rate is higher because speeders tend to weave in and out of
traffic.  Though I disagree with the speed limit becuase there are places
where 65 MPH would be safe, I think traffic fatalities have declined.  IMHO,
PA keeps the 55 MPH officially, but has an unofficial 65 MPH limit (based on
local enforcement).
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From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<C1DvK6.Dt4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1k2juuINNhcb@morrow.stanford.edu>
	<RHB.93Jan26063406@world.std.com> <C1Grz1.6JH@world.std.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:45:04 GMT

In article <C1Grz1.6JH@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:

   rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

   >This, I believe, is the strength of America, or was. When we truly
   >were a melting pot, assimilating all comers, we forged the American
   >ideal. Perhaps we are still doing that today, but I have my doubts.

   Don't doubt it. America is still a melting pot, still gaining strength
   from its immigrants. I look at the people around me and those who are
   or were close... Vikki , whose family first came here as penniless illegals,
   who now have restaurants and real estate and are now legal and respected
   members of the community. Vera , who has worked 3 jobs for years, buying her
   mother a fabulous estate with swimming pool and buying herself a condo, back
   in Brazil. Atty, who came here two steps ahead of Mengistu's hit squads, who
   has started up companies and become a player in semiconductor manufacturing.
   Raul, who arrived here decades ago from Romania by way of Israel, whose
   impact on the computer world shows up regularly in the trade press. Included
   in that category are , Mike and Mansur , from Iran; Lev and Bernie from
   eastern Europe. Then there are Kanako , Misao , Miki , and Rie all from
   Japan and all remarkable in there own way. Hewan and Fekerte from Ethiopia
   who are fairly ordinary except that they add life and joy and mirth whereever
   they go. Include the Russian and Nigerian taxi drivers, the Ethiopians who 
   have cornered the parking lot market here (Boston). Look at the ethnic
   restaurants. Look at the children of these immigrants. In my son's advanced
   math class (8th grade) he is the only one not speaking Chinese. This is a
   great country. It has its problems, but most of those problems are intimately
   related to the very factors that make it great; the level of personal freedom
   and the tumultuous mixing of cultures.

   Charlie  -  who came here first as a child from the UK.


I agree wholeheartedly. I think Clinton is right when he says that
what is wrong with America can be cured by what's right with America.
And I suppose the things that cause me to doubt -- the ghetto-ization
of our cities that has occurred over the last thirty or forty years,
for instance -- were never much different back in the days of Ellis
Island. Point taken.

RB

-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |

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Subject: Recognizing A Japanese Industrial Lobbyist
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:03:58 GMT

                  Please give at least ten (10) copies
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