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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:41:57 GMT

In article <osborn.717833003@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>I once had a female student in Tai Chi (when I was teaching it but didn't
>know much at all - follies of youth). She *would*not* do standing Chi Kung
>meditation because it was "sacriligious". Even after her preacher (a man who
>must have had a *lot* of patience and tolerance) said it was OK, she would 
>not do it.

I really have trouble understanding attitudes like that: I first learned
taiji and bagua from a man who was quite religious (christian, I think 
Catholic) in a quite sort of way. I haven't been able to identify any
real conflicts between daoism and chritianity, unless you count "its
different" as a conflict...

                                                    Frank Crary
                                                    CU Boulder
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:32:55 GMT
	<1992Sep29.190637.24278@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of 29 Sep 92 19:06:37 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.190637.24278@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

   >In article <717443327snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
   >>A clear sign that airport security people don't read 18th and 19th
   >>century manuals on English Cane Fighting.  If they did they would

   While we're on the subject, how well do people think a pool cue would
   work in a sword or short staff set? (Yes, I know a sword has a sharp
   edge and point which a pool cue lacks, but similar techniques might 
   still be effective...)

It's funny you should mention that, since there is a pool hall (excuse
me, "billiard club", it's a LEEETLE yuppified) near the dojang, and
some friends and I occasionally spend an evening there...so of course,
I couldn't resist trying some jo techniques with a pool cue.

My conclusion is that it wouldn't work well for staff techniques.  
A standard pool cue (is there such a thing?) probably most closely
resembles a jo, but it's still about six inches too long...which is
long enough that you couldn't just pick it up and use it, you'd have
to practice with it to get used to the difference.  It might be also
just a little too long for some jo techniques (particularly thinking
of reverses here).  But more than that, a pool cue is strongly weighted
toward one end.  You notice this "endedness" immediately...it has a 
very strong effect.  The feel and behavior is very different from that
of a staff, which is evenly balanced.  One end swings too easy, the other
end swings too hard...it really throws you off, because in staff styles
both ends swing the same, and so you don't have to worry about what 
end of the staff you're swinging.  I didn't try very hard...there
are people called "bouncers" who roam pool halls on the lookout for
people swinging pool cues...but it seems to me that standard staff
techniques just wouldn't work with a pool cue.  If I had to use one,
I'd try striking with the light end and go to end it with a single hit, 
or just swing it like a baseball bat.
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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Stoning was Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:40:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Pat Cleveland writes:

>Just another data point on random violence...
>Two days ago a couple was attacked walking on a path near Cornell at 9:30 pm.
>It's still unclear as to what exactly happened, but so far it is believed 
>that four men attempted to rob the couple and then attacked them with ROCKS. 
>The woman is still in the local hospital but is expected to make it; 
>the man was evacuated to a hospital in Sayre, PA where he remains in critical 
>condition. 

>Thought stoning was an obsolete means of execution :<( .

Nope, alive and well as you are clearly now aware.  Thrown objects are
very common in the middle east and riot situations in general.

I have always felt that any decent MA study should include practice
evading and blocking throw object (or catching and reusing).  A pretty
safe way to accomplish this training is tennis balls.  Apparently tennins
balls wear out and don't bounce so good so you should be able to acquire
all you need from your local tennis club.  Get a bunch.

WARNING: eye protection required, yes a tennis ball can injure an eye!!!!!

Beginner training:
Instructor has balls, student facing them 15 - 20 feet away.  Instructor
kihaps and throws ball.  Student can block, dodge etc.  All other students
collect the balls which GO EVERYWHERE :-)

As the student progresses you can, pick up the speed, drop the warning kihap,
vary the throws, add a second thrower, decrease the distance, etc.

When you get fairly advanced, you can have everybody on one side of the
room throwing at the instructor or advanced student.  When you think you
are really really good, you try to defend 360 degrees, that is take out
the wall at your back and move to the middle of the doj*.

Great fun!

Note carefully, the object is to be able to react without thinking.
The beginner training senario allows the student to think about each
block or dodge as they develop the hand eye and flight tracking skills
needed to move on.   As you progress the training you need to overload
their concious brain so there are too many balls coming too fast to think
about each one, but rather the action becomes instinctive.

I've posted this before, as a thing for MA kids to try, has anyone ever
given it a whirl?  It really is a blast and important training.

Stephen
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: TaiChi
Keywords: Tai Chi, UK
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:09:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.075426.22550@walter.cray.com> plim@xi.uk.cray.com (Philip Lim) writes:
>    Anyone out there do this aswell!! I could do with some 
>ideas on making the sessions more interesting, at present the
>only way I know how is to demonstrate Tai Chi with qigong
>exercises in a slow and perfection-aimed manner....

You might do some push hands. 

                                                  Frank Crary
                                                  CU Boulder
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:44:07 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <MARY.92Sep29183255@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>I couldn't resist trying some jo techniques with a pool cue.
>My conclusion is that it wouldn't work well for staff techniques.  

	The proper way to use a pool cue is to choke up and hit the guy with the heavy
end, or poke him with the small end, like you were breaking for a game of 8 ball.  By
the way, if you hit him with the small end and it breaks you just pick up another one
or hit him again with what's left.

	The pool _balls_ are better weapons than the cues, though...
                                                                              wr
From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Humorous Scene in Movie.
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:58:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Heh.  Just the movie "Mystery Date".

It's a typical "Guy see's 'perfect girl' wants date, get's in lots of
trouble on date, and they wind up together" type movie.

Anyways, the kid somehow get's involved with a Chinese Tong, and has
to go in their mansion to save the girl.  It's a very humorous scene.
The kid is sneaking through the house and happens to duck into a room
where a member of the tong is practicing martial arts.  After
the kid get's thrown around the room, he's lying there next to a
weight set.  The Chinese tong member pulls a Tai Chi lionshead sword
out of a sheath on the wall and says:

"This sword has been in my family for 400 years!"

and then procedes to slice the kid in half.

The kid grabs a weight the last second and holds it up.

Smash!  There goes the 400 year old sword in little pieces.  All the
guy can think of to say to the kid is

"Asshole!"

Hilarious scene. :)  The movie itself isn't bad either.


Marty

Do
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Katanas and other Blades
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:04:03 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <RCOULTER.92Oct3175534@stud.frc.ri.cmu.edu> rc2d@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (R. Craig Coulter) writes:
>
>I am looking for a book or series of books on the *manufacture* of
>traditional Japanese blades. I am interested in the katana as well
>as its less-famous cousins... I am interested in both modern
>and older manufacturing techniques (I don't even know if there is a 
>difference - I would guess that there is.) as I would like to become 
>more proficient at judging quality in anticipation of purchasing a blade.
>

	"The Art of the Japanese Sword" 
	 Yoshindo Yoshihara
	 (Weatherhill??)

	 Good book.  And Yoshihara's blades are insanely well made.

	"The Samurai Sword, a handbook"
	 John M. Yumoto
	 Charles Tuttle & Co., 1958

	 Another good one.  In fact I see it as a kind of "standard" text.
	 Quite complete, though it could use some revision in the way of
 	 illustrations, but it really is a very nice volmue to have.

	"The Japanese Sword"
	 Donn F. Draeger
	 ?????

	 And yet another fine volume on the Japanese sword.

	 
	 As far as purchasing an authentic Jap blade: a decent blade will
	NOT be cheap.  Depending on where you're coming from WRT blades,
	I would say that it is not likely that you will be able to get yer
	mitts on a worthwhile blade for under $5K.  

	Yoshihara's blades are the best made with the exception of that
	demented 14th century idiot Masamune or whatever his name was.
	His blades were nearly indestructible, as are Yoshihara's.  However
	you won't touch one for less than at least $20 or $30K and you'll
	have, I believe, about a 10 year wait, not to mention that you are
	filthy gaijin and he may not make one for you no matter HOW much $$$$
	you throw at him.  Of course this last bit is speculation as I have
	not met him, yet.

	By worth having, I mean properly fitted and capably of cutting without
	being damaged.  Appearances mean nothing to me as far as the merit of
	a combat weapon is concerned.  If you are thinking in terms of 
	collecting, you will not touch a decent blade for less that about
	$20K in my experience.  Hope yer loaded (cash wise, that is :) ).

	-Andy V.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Aikijo Questions
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:46:29 GMT


xiliu@cats.ucsc.edu (Xi Liu) writes:
>      
>     1) There are no YOKOMENs in 31 count kata (Saito sensei's style) but
>  straight shomens( True?). And then what are those count 5,6,7 and 8?

 
      We in fact practice these as *slight* yokomens, i.e. at just 
    enough an angle to strike the temple with the jo.  Pure shomen's
    with the jo feel awkward to me.  If you closely examine the tape,
    you would probably agree Saito does not use pure shomen's either --

     -- Ted --

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  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
From: lee5@husc8.harvard.edu (Patrick Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Butterfly Knife
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:42:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.lee5.717615776


As I remember, Pacific Cutlery has moved to Klankmas Oregon or something
of the sort.. (most likely because of legal troubles in California)...
In addition, PC,went bankrupt several years ago, but has re-formed under the
name of "Benchmade Knives".. 
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:15:15 GMT

In article <BvBE46.G5w@news.udel.edu> gion@chopin.udel.edu (Timothy C. Gion) writes:
>
>I'd just like to comment on seiza... <arrrggghh!>  heh... what really amazes  
>me is people who look like they are gliding when they knee walk... it took me
>about a week before I could even get the right motion down...

	Shikko can be very hard on the knees.  I've walked out of the dojo
	more than once with no skin left on them.  But it is great for
	developing the strength in your hips.  Calloused knees suck, though.
From: akif@sequent.com (Aki Fleshler)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Akido -vs- Akijitsu
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:15:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct6.201501.3457
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.172340.5102@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>	Aikido was derived from Aiki Jujutsu, Japanese combat art from Hell.
>	It is a modified form of AJJ the has come to stress different things
>	from AJJ, like spiritual enlightenment and kissing your enemy before
>	driving your fist throught their skull.
>
>	Aiki Jutsu is the art of developing and applying aiki.  The closest
>	analog I can think of is Chi Kung, and perhaps a bit of Tai Chi.

FLAME_ON
	Jeez, Andy! At least you might bracket such silliness with
	FLAME_ON/FLAME_OFF, for the benefit of freshman who might take 
	you seriously! Aiki is a principle found in many arts and lineages.

	And Aikido training as I have experienced it, we kiss the skull 
	only *after* crushing it. "THROW TO THE DEATH," said my Sensei, a
	student of O'Sensei. "IT IS THE LAST THING YOU WILL EVER DO, 
	SO COMMIT YOUR LIFE TO IT.  SAVE THE PHILOSOPHY FOR WHEN YOU ARE 
	TO OLD TO TRAIN HARD."
FLAME_OFF

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From: xiliu@cats.ucsc.edu (Xi Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido and Ryukyu Kempo Seminar
Date: 28 Sep 1992 07:17:46 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


                   

                         ROBERT BRYNER Martial Arts
                                 Instructor
         
                          RYUKYU KEMPO and AIKIDO

       Robert Bryner has over 30 years of martial arts training and has
       developed several national champions. He has studied Karate for 16 years
       and holds a 4th degree black belt as a personal student to Sensei Taika
       Seiyu Oyata, 10th degree black belt and founder of Ryukyu Kempo.

       Trained in Aikido for 28 years. Studied four separate styles. Received
       5th degree black belt in Hombu Style and 3rd degree black belt in
       Ki No Kenkyukai (Ki Aikido). Personal student to Master Mitsugi Saotome
       who was a direct student of Great Master Morihei Ueshiba, the founder
       of Aikido.



                           SATURDAY OCTOBER 3, 1992

                    University of California SANTA CRUZ
    
       Where: Martial Arts Room,East Field House
       Sponsor: UCSC AIKIDO CLUB
       Contact: Ed KASPER
       Phone:   (408) 425-8801

                    10 am --- 1 pm Aikido Session
                    3  pm --- 6 pm Ryukyu Kempo Session

       Cost:  $25 per session or $45 for both

        
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.002814.8968@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum) writes:
>In article <1365@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo) writes:
>><1992Sep25.004825.12390@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
>>Sender: 
>>Reply-To: hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo)
>>Followup-To: 
>>Distribution: 
>>Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
>>Keywords: 
>>
>>Test Fees are not bogus in many cases.  My sensei used to charge $20+ for each
>>belt test, regardless of color/level.  (I think it might have been $10 extra
>>for black belt test, but nothing close to the hundreds range).  These fees
>>helped keep the dojo running, because with a mere $50 or so per month fee, and
>>he'd waive the fees in many cases for students if they worked hard or attended
>>an extra workout session, it got to the point where he was just making ends
>>meet.
>>
>>The fees do NOT change even when the National President of the organization
>>visits to administer the black belt exam.
>>
>>I was very lucky to find such a kind, caring sensei whose only concern was the
>>students' progress, and not his wallet.
>>
>>
>
>
>The testing fees under the circumstances you discribe do not bother me
>that much. What I find questionable are holding a belt for ransom until
>a high price is paid. Along these same lines are the ability to buy...er
>exsqueeze me, *earn* a black belt by signing a 6 month - 1 year contract.
>
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From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo, nipple piercing, and non-metallic 'jewelry'
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:55:01 GMT
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In <1992Sep21.124021.23952@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
ejdath@donner.uucp (25832-dath) writes:

% Honey has too much food for bacteria?...No, I don't think so.  Bacteria can
% grow almost anywhere and eat almost anything.  Bacteria that is dangerous to
% humans when ingested might be harder to grow, but I would be that honey will
% grow it.  Unless of course there is some sort of inhibitor that the bees 
% produce that is in the honey...  any ideas?

        The thing that causes bacteria and other scum not to be able to live
        off of pure sugar and honey is dehydration due to osmotic pressure.
        Pure sugar on a wound creates a thick gooey solution that is *very*
        hydrophoric (water loving), similar to honey, and this goo sucks the
        very life water out of cells nearby.  Your flesh isn't too affected,
        since your body is constantly supplying its cells with fluids and
        nutrients.  The bacteria ain't so lucky, hence dead bacteria.

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From: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: TOURNAMENT THIS WEEKEND
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:52:37 GMT
Distribution: ca
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: pull/sprain
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:00:30 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1643@dsinet> heinzl@dsinet.uucp writes:
>
>Don't ice muscles except for the ***FIRST FEW DAYS*** after a severe 
>injury(i.e. torn musculature). Cold is only used to reduce swelling 
>and engorgement of blood into the tissues.  Occasionally if you work out
>very hard, it may be necessary to ice knee and elbow joints to prevent swelling
>that could damage the cartilage(sp?).
>
>Heat is much better for damaged muscle tissues, because it promotes 
>relaxation of the muscle and better circulation for repair.  Get a warm
>wash cloth, a heating pad, or one of the new heating pads you warm in the 
>microwave and just let it relax the muscles.  A hot tub is also very good.
>
I am lucky enough to have a master who can fix everything from minor knee
injury, swelling, to dislocation.  Last time, I accidentally dislocated
someone else's knee in practice, it took our master 1 min to correct it.
Another student played soccer and got hurt in the ankle, it is swelling
like a big orange.  After taken care by our master, he can resume practise
after a few days.