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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:12:08 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
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Mervyn E. Bennun writes:

> But I still can't make out why I get the identical F7 result (all
> other things such as dictionaries being held rigidly constant)
> wherther I use "lh nb" or "nb" in my batch file. I also did something,
> which I cannot replicate, which gave me an extra __20K__ (none of your
> paltry 11K nonsense for me, lads!).

The most probable explanation is that there isn't enough UMB memory
left to successfully load NB.COM high.  When this happens LOADHIGH's
default behavior is to go ahead and load the program low, sending a
notice to that effect to STDERR.  Since NB has by this time taken over
video management you don't see the error message.

As to that extra 20K, did you by any chance shell out to DOS with the
"dos" command or with SHIFT+[Esc], then return to NB with the exit command?

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:26:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      Re: error messages when printing with NB 4.0 and HP IIIP
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I have seen the same thing on a IIP when I made signficant changes to the
margins.  Have you fiddled with the margins at all?

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 92 22:29:00 CST
From:         LAVENDA@MSUS1
Subject: LoahK ding NB high
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I easgerly rushed out to try to load NB.COm M high with loahddhi, the QEMM
loader. Nothing happened. I then tried LH, and uswas informed that there
were no UMBs so it was not loading hihggh, and it didn't. Hmmm.... Any
ideas? I'e ve fot a got a lot of stuff in upper memory, but have tried t
   o load
NB into a region with 64K free. If I try to load "NB.COM'" the system
hangs.
Thanks.
RObvt100


                                 Robert Lavenda



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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 11:38:02 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NBI's Soft fonts
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Michael "not a cynical bone in my body" Jasper writes:

> Has anyone out there gotten NBI's soft Times Roman fonts, that I thought
> were going to come with NB 4.0, but apparently are extra? Are they
> any different than HP's soft fonts? I currently have a Deskjet 500 and
> the Pacific Data 25-in-1 cartridge, which has several Times-Roman
> fonts. Are NBI's likely to be any different?

The soft fonts are offered only with the Lingua package.  NB 4.0
without Lingua uses your own fonts, as far as I can tell (although I
have been using Lingua myself, and *still* only have the beta).

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(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 11:18:00 EST
From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX>
Subject:      Re: Memory management question
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You might look at Quarterdeck's QRAM program. This will give upper
memory to systems that have EMS 4.0 memory. I don't know if it also
supports shadow ram chipsets like The Last Byte (mentioned in another
posting).

Rob Rittenhouse
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:08:34 BST
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements
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              Lafayette College" at Oct 5, 92 11:12 am

>
>
> Mervyn--you might try running your batch file again. The symptoms
> you report sound characteristic of what can happen when
> you modify a batch file (nb.bat) while it's being used. (Forgive
> me if I've misunderstood your report.)
>
> James
>

Thanks, James: but it was actually due to my not understanding what
loadhigh actually does. Paul set me right, but I really ought to have
read the MS-DOS Manual before shooting my mouth off.

Paul, you commented:
------------------
> The most probable explanation is that there isn't enough UMB memory
> left to successfully load NB.COM high.  When this happens LOADHIGH's
> default behavior is to go ahead and load the program low, sending a
> notice to that effect to STDERR.  Since NB has by this time taken over
> video management you don't see the error message.

> As to that extra 20K, did you by any chance shell out to DOS with the
>"dos" command or with SHIFT+[Esc], then return to NB with the exit
>command?

-------------

I'm still puzzled because when I run mem /c |more I'm told that
something to do with NB is loaded elsewhere than in conventional
memory, in addition to a lot that is: "NB" appears twice. But don't
waste more time on this for me: I note Dorothy's posting this morning,
and when I get a chance during my next bout of insomnia I'll go back
to the theory of memory again and try to understand the effect of the
commands in my config.sys and batch files.

As to your query about shelling out with either "dos" or Shift+Esc - I
think that you may have put your finger on what I did; but why on
earth should that make a difference?? I thought that they were simply
different ways of doing identical things.

But perhaps you can help then with a problem which seems to be related
to this last point. My 3.0 was recently upgraded to 3.1. Now, when I
shell out to dos with Shift+Esc (+command) I get an error message
("COMMAND search directory bad", or something like - the Manual is
irritatingly coy about error messages) and I am told there's "no
path".  If I exit and try again with dos (+/c [command]) then it all
works, and the full path from autoexec.bat is reported. This did not
happen under 3.0, and our local Person Who Knows confesses to being
puzzled by this. It is actually quite seriously annoying.

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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:22:47 EDT
From:         robert kelly F <rkelly3@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Idle Speculation
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As I remember, one of Murphy's laws was:

Never assume a conspiracy when simple incompetence provides an explanation.

Could we please avoid uninformed fear-mongering on the list.

--
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:19:38 EST
From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA>
Subject:      True v. Single-line Spacing (was: Outlines, etc.)
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              28 Sep 92 11:11:20 BST from <M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK>

On Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:11:20 BST <M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK> said:
>But I have a problem with 3.0 and 3.1 outlining different from those
>so far referred to,...
>I find that suddenly the cursor jams and won't go
>below a particular point, and the display starts an uncontrollable
>vibrating: the only moving lockup-snarlup I know of in NB.  Only by
>quitting and resuming in single-line display is the file editable and
>usable. I prefer using the true line and mono display modes...

I have experienced similar problems but not necessarily while outlining.*
NB has frozen up on me when I have given it too many things to calculate
at once.  I.e. true-line display and page/line counter on a long file with
footnotes.  Outlining would add one more thing for NB to be calculating --
all those number series.

My assumption had been that my XT/8086 processing capacity is not too
vigorous.  But perhaps if others have the same problem on hotter machines,
there is more at stake than that.  Anyway, I advise caution.

Ever crisply,

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539

* Come to think of it, I have had such problems while outlining, but not
only while outlining.
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:49:14 EDT
From:         Louis Silverstein <SILVERS@YALEVM>
Subject:      RE: Johnny Appleseed
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All hail to John (or Jonathan?) Chapman!

Louis Silverstein--of the "Effete East"--formerly a Hoosier like Dorothy Day!
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Subject:      RE: Tragedy in Amsterdam
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Dear Odeda,

Thanks for your warm words. I need not detail what happened here. You
have seen the images of that inferno on TV I suppose. Although grief
and death has no color, it has not been emphasized very much that it
is especially the black (Surinamese, Antillean) community in Amsterdam
that is so hard hit (again, after the plane crash in Paramaribo three
years ago). Thanks again for your kind words, and my sympathy with
the family of the Israeli crew.

And thanks for the others on this list to briefly allow it to be used
for something else than notabene or related messages. It is an exception
for an exceptional event.

Teun A. van Dijk

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              927:51 pm

Surely, Odeda speaks for us all.

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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 11:01:53 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject: Re: NB4 and outlines
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Lee:
	As one who has been using the outlining in 3.1 (and 3 before
that, and 2 etc.) for quite a while, I'm wondering which of the two
possibilities (never really having looked at 3, or improved in 4)
you mention is the case.  Could you tell us what about the outlining
function has converted you?
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 92 18:16:01 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      apples and honey
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     Speaking of apples...
     It is now the eve of Rosh Hashana, the Jewish new year. In about an
hour, we'll sit down to dinner and dip slices of apples in honey --
toasting a good and sweet year.
     Shana tova, haverim.

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Subject: Re: nb4 and 4dos
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:28:00 GMT
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The beta version of Lingua that I used was fully compatible with 4dos in its
*unmodified* form. That is, as 4dos.com, rather than a renamed command.com.
Robert Lavenda
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 14:35:27 GMT
From:         Lee Komito <LKOMITO@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      NB4 and outlines
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Since the list has been filled with so much about problems with NB4/
Lingua, I thought I would report one pleasant feature of NB4. Up to
this point, I thought the outline facilities in NB3.x were pretty
primitive -- and I tended to use PC-Outline for my outline work
(which I would then import into NB3.x when ready). However, either
I never really looked at outlining in NB3, or else the outline
facility has been much improved in NB4. I now find it quite easy
and productive to work with -- and will probably abandon PC Outline
(though it served me well for many years).


Lee Komito                       Internet: lkomito@irlearn.ucd.ie
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:30:59 IST
From:         JRG4215@NYUACF
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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>Using NB4 under DOS 5.0, I find that it's possible to
>use the loadhigh command when loading NB...

This is an interesting concept.  Was this just with plain NB4 or Lingua too.
Have you used enough of the programs features in this configuration to
determine that it doesn't cause problems, or is further testing necessary?

BTW,  What is TACT, discussed a day ago on this list?  Obviously it is not
merely something that us grad students need occassionally in dealing with
some professors! :-)

I also don't live to far from NBI and still await, with less and less baited
breath the arrival of NB4.

A sweet new year to all,
Yechiel Goldberg
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:33:45 EDT
From:         Jim Trotter <RELW8310@EMUVM1>
Subject:      Re: Distribution of 4.0 and Lingua
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On Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:23:07 CDT Robin Cover said:
>Can someone tell me whether the distribution of new NB disks
>still continues -- and how long it's projected to take?  It's
>been going on for over a month now, maybe two . . .
>
I am (very) happy to report that NB4, Lingua, Ibid, and Orbis
arrived this afternoon here in Atlanta.  I hope this is a hopeful
sign for those of you still waiting.  Good luck.

One question:  are we stuck with the same old EGA screen fonts in
Lingua. During the installation process my display immediately
switched to EGA upon installing Lingua.  Please tell me there are
VGA fonts that I just haven't been able to find.

Thanks,
Jim Trotter
Emory University
     Distribution of 4.0 and Lingua
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:53:28 IST
From:         STRAUSS@UNCA
Subject:      Re: File choppers
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If anyone has XTRee Gold, v. 2.5, it is also an excellent chopper.
I just called a 1.1 MB file that was zipped, to view, and could
"extract" chunks--or the whole text. It took <1 sec. to block the text,
but about 20 secs. to extract itself.
In addition, since XTree reads and formats native formats (WP, Word, etc.),
it is easy to turn a zipped WordPerfect file into an unzipped ascii file.

Bob Strauss
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:16:33 EDT
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      Waldo sighting
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From: Allan Needell

(For any without young children or familiarity with contemporary children's
books -- forgive the meaningless subject line)

NB4+ORBIS+IBID(not+) has just arrived in the mailbox of a colleague in the
next office. No sign of the NB4+ORBIS+IBIDPLUS that I have had on order since
day one. As soon as my neighbor gets back from lunch I'll have him scan the
disks for viruses. I doubt he'll have time to install it until the weekend
comes.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 92 16:14:30 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Arabic on NB
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Is anyone using Arabic on NB -- preferably the Israeli version (Shapirit)?

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:13:32 EDT
From:         Michael T Bradley Jr <mtb3@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
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When I phoned NBI a week ago (21 September) in order to inquire
about the status of my subscription, I was told that they had
shipped 2,000 upgrades and hoped to have the remaining 2,000
distributed by the end of this week (2 October).  This is
reported from memory so I can't swear it is accurate.
--Michael Bradley
mtb3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:55:01 EDT
From:         "Wayne A. Meeks" <WMEEKS@YALEVM>
Subject:      duplicate mailings
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Is anyone else receiving multiple copies of mailings?  Messages by Bodin,
Rittenhouse, and Elass on 3 Oct 92 were received here in triplicate.

Wayne A. Meeks
Dept of Religious Studies
Yale University
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:10:36 IST
From:         Michael Dick <DICK@SIENA>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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These #@$%$$ memory postings! Where people get excited about tweaking another
desperately gotten 11 k. With whom should I be mad? Microsoft? NBI? Intel? Why
can't they design a PC with 9-12 megs of RAM that will allow you SEAMLESSLY to
load anything you please without any personal regard and advertence where it
gets loaded? I have 10 megs of RAM on one PC and still get those cursed out of
memory warnings. Can a new version of DOS (DOS 6) overcome those decade-old
archaisms? Am I naive in thinking that we should have a situation where I can
load 1 meg for a program (e.g. NB4 with all bells and whistles) and then have 8
meg left over for files etc.?
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:56:19 EDT
From:         "Jean-Pierre Ruiz" <RUIZJ@SJUVM>
Subject:      Printing with HP Deskjet 500
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Thanks to Paul J. Bodin and others for their suggestions and comments on
printing with a HP DJ 500.  However, it _still_ is not printing correctly
in Lingua.
Reviewing what I did.  First, I installed the Lingua driver for the DJ 500
through the help menu with set--->general installation--->fonts/printers
for Lingua.  Second, I made that the default printer setting.   Then, when I
tried to print (in Roman 12 point), two things happened.  First, the printer
failed to respect the right margin.  Second, text in Greek and Hebrew was
printed as gibberish in symbols (plus and minus signs, uppercase sigmas, a
lowercase alpha, and a dot or two).

Is there anything else I should be doing to get Lingua to print
multilingual text correctly on a Deskjet 500?  Has anyone succeeded in
doing this?

The experience was particularly vexing, since I was trying to convince
someone that NB4/Lingua would be worthwhile considering.  My recommendation
proved somewhat less than convincing (even though the department copy works
beautifully).

Thanks.
Jean-Pierre Ruiz - Theology & Religious Studies - St. John's U., NY
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:01:06 IST
From:         STRAUSS@UNCA
Subject:      zipspl.zip?
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Itamar,
In what subdirectory is zipspl.zip? It isn't in the filutl directory.

Bob Strauss
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:24:01 -0400
From:         Tirzah Meacham <meacham@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
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              25, 92 7:51 pm

I discoverred i had to give the print command from the C> prompt or I
woundt get footnotes on the laser.--  very very strange.

.......herb basser
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:37:02 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: large files into smaller ones
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              1 Oct 92 10:07:45 -0400 from <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

re: splitting zip files

The full name is ZIPSPL12.ZIP in <msdos.zip>. An excellent
pgm indeed.

I. E-Z
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No.  No changes to the margins.
willis
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:34:33 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: zipspl.zip?
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On Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:01:06 IST <STRAUSS@UNCA> said:
>
>Itamar,
>In what subdirectory is zipspl.zip? It isn't in the filutl directory.
>
>Bob Strauss

It's in <msdos.zip>zipspl12.zip

Bob (and other dear colleagues and friends):
Why don't you order the SIMIBM.LST from simtel20, then
use Buerg's LIST for searching? Nothing can be simpler.
Go to simtel20 <msdos.filedocs> and order simibm.arc
(or look for other linked files).

Itamar E-Z
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 02:43:26 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid

>        Michael Dick
>        DICK@SIENA (Does anybody else have a phone capability on the VAX so
>their students can interrupt them at any time, like now?)

The "cure" for this annoyance to VMS users is to put this line in your
login.com file:

$ SET BROADCAST=NOPHONE

(You can also just type this at the VMS $ prompt for temporary relief.)
You'll never again be interrupted by happy phoners, but will still get
helpful broadcast messages about incoming mail, system shutdowns, etc.

Of course, your students may graduate to sending you interactive
Bitnet messages instead (known here as "Bitnetting"), and you may want
to raise the wall to NOMAIL, NOGENERAL, or (get really drastic) NONE.
Use your online HELP utility for the SET command to see examples and
warnings.

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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