HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (GIRISH)
Subject: Re: The definition of religion in Islam and secularism
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:08:56 GMT

In article <48790025@hpindda.cup.hp.com> seshadri@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Raghu Seshadri) writes:
>
> -Those people who still beleive that Islam can go along with
>-"secularism" or any other form of state affairs have to go back and dig
>-into the spirits and difinitions of Islam.
>
>	Since secularism simply means that the Government will
>	not discriminate between citizens on the basis of religion,
>	what you say above amounts to " Non-muslims cannot
>	expect equal treatment under an Islamic state". If you
>	did not mean this, you cannot have any objection to
>	secularism.
>
> -The important point to understand is the status of non-muslims in an
>-Islamic state. A fear has been spread out by western media, and some
>-"innocent" muslims, that an islamic state means no freedom to an
>-individual of practicing his own religion. Above all Islamic state means
>-persecution of non-muslims. Let me say that there is no reality in this
>-fear. Because Islam guarantees religious freedom. Islam has definitive
>- approach to the rights of non-muslims. 
>
>	Let me quote from an article I wrote some time back :
>
>	" I have no idea what the law says - but in fact it is 
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	impossible to build Hindu temples in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	and several other Muslim countries. During my stay in 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Kuwait, all applications by Hindus to build temples were
>	rudely rejected. Not only that, even gatherings
>	in private residences for Puja etc were liable to be 
>	interrupted by high-handed police patrols. I have also
>	heard accounts of how the Saudi customs confiscates religious
>	literature and objects to be used for private worship and
>	throws them in the trash can ! "
>[.....]

        Not only that, India can not send a Hindu ambassador to Saudi
        Arabia. Since independence, all Indian Ambassadors to this
        country were Muslim. 
        

        -- Girish.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:16481 soc.culture.tamil:3447 soc.culture.bangladesh:5733
From: sampathk@physics.usc.edu (Sampath R.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: DIWALI CELEBRATIONS AT USC, Los Angeles.
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:31:25 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.usc.edu



******************************************************************


		The Indian Students Association 
	  at the University of Southern  California 
			   present 


	       ***  DIWALI CELEBRATIONS!!  ***


	              All are Welcome!

	* quality entertainment [dances, songs & other goodies]
	* dancing 'n' stuff after the program
	* good food [dinner] available!


		DATE:		Saturday, November 14, 1992		
		TIME:		7:00 pm
		LOCATION:	Bovard Auditorium,
				University of Southern California, 
				Los Angeles.


	Admission for USC students:	FREE!!  [Yep! no $$]
	Admission for non-USC folks:	ONLY $3

	COME ONE, COME ALL!

	For more info, feel free to contact
	Devina:		(213) 745-2124
	Sampath:	(818) 572-3446  <sampathk@physics.usc.edu>

******************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yousuf@bnr.ca (Yousuf Saifullah)
Subject: Ghazal by Ibn-e-Insha
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:14:42 GMT

Few verses from a ghazal by Ibn-e-Insha

Dil hijr kay durd say bojhal hay tum aan milo too bhaytar ho
is baat say hum ko kiya mutlab yay kaysay ho yay kiyoN kur ho
ik bheek kay dono kasay(COIN?) hayN ik piyas kay donoN piyasay haiN
hum khayti(CROPS) hayN tum badal ho hum naddiya hayN tum sagar ho
hum saanjh samay(EVENING) kee chaya(SHADOW) hayN tum chuRtee raat kay chundarma (MOON)
hum jatay hayN tum aatay ho phir mail kee soorat kiyoN kur ho
wo raatayN chand kay saath gayeeN wo baatayN chand kay saath gayeeN
ub sookh kay supnay kiya daykhayN jub dukh ka sooraj sur pur ho

Cheers,
Yousuf Saifullah
From: patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Please rename misc.news.southasia to misc.news.indian propaganda
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:44:54 -0600
Reply-To: patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

Think of something else dude. misc.news.indianpropaganda is the other
name for soc.culture.pakistan 

Narasimha Rao Patri
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Good Bye Mr. Bush
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:50:27 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

Hello Mansoor/Nadeem,

I was reading your hot discussion on this issue or psuedo-racism
issue for last two or three days. I am not a regular s.c.p reader but
from time to time I scan it through.

This time I found you guy's involved in a little controversy.  BTW,
mansoor your history in some respect is quite awesome...the way you
sketched the picture of Urdu language was incredible.  Sorry, folks
I deviated from my original subject or in fact your subject.

Mansoor, after posting your last reply you must be feeling light 
there was a big load you were carrying for some time. There were 
some legal points but were all  covered with dirty language which
Nadeem has pointed out. You claimed that he is a fast learner of
Urdu and I will say he is not a fast learner of Urdu only but he
is quite adaptive of the situation, too. Nadeem's last reply was so 
gentle and full of decency but two days earlier he was rough on you. 
The thing which he is trying to impose on you was by-passed by 
him first. So folks, match is draw and bring some smile on your 
happy faces. I hope you will maintain your opinions for future use
as it is the only asset we have with purity.  I will  settle this whole 
issue by this sheyr:

  Awara gurd-e-shaher koo pathar na marna
  Adab ashana na sahi Adami tou hai ....................

BTW, you know where is 'Naveed Siraj Memon' I have not seen 
his post in the recent past.  My guess is that he is in Pakistan and
enjoying every moment of his life in Karachi. Don't mind I'am
the stinking Karachite and love that city more than any other place.
Just a little curious about that fella. 

Stay cool as cucumber,
-- 
Moment that you have now is worth having ...
Moments that'll come after are worth knowing !
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: Karachi Airport
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:39:43 GMT

khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:

>	how long Bakray kee maa khair manaa-ae gee?

que?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:20:57 GMT

In article <ahmadt.720960335@p4.cs.man.ac.uk> ahmadt@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Tariq N Ahmad) writes:
>Aslam-O-Laikam,	
>	Does anybody know what the great qawal 'Nusrat Fateh
>Ali Khan' is up to nowadays. I heard a rumuor that he was in
>USA.
>	It seems to me that nowadayshe just 'remixes' his old
>stuff and markets it as a new album (as in the case of 'Mighty
>Khan').
>	Can anyone recommend a particular album ??
>
>	Thanks.
>	Tariq Ahmad (Manchester University)
>
>
>-- 
>_____    __ . __  	 
>  |  /\ |__)||__|  	"they're the weakest in the semis"....Ian Botham (Eng)
>  | /--\|  \|   |/      "we owe them a thrashing"...........Martin Crowe (NewZ)
>-ahmadt@p4.cs.man.ac.uk-

I think any of the scpians who have never been to his concert should
do once atleast. While he was in Boston (USA), the tickets were sold
out hours before the concert. Through out the concert people were clapping
or dancing in the isles (very decently). Surprisingly over 25% attedees
were foreigners to URDU or HINDI, and no one left before the end.
I would easily agree with the local paper who rated him as one of the
best foreign musicians who have ever come to Boston.

Enjoy, Mast Mast....

Regards,

Yasin.
From: ihusain@pyramid.COM (Intisar Husain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Good Bye Mr. Bush
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:24:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pyramid.184145
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <5NOV199214472890@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
|> In article <1dadp7INNaht@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes...
|> > 
|> > 	Kuch'h baatay'n, kuch'h yaaday'n
|> > 	=================================
|> > 
|> >...deleted
|> 
|> 	Very true description indeed but ..
|> 		....Andhoon may Kanay Rajay..
|> 
|> Mirza Ilyas
	Or yet another one

		Her Shakh peh Ulooh betha hey
		Anjaam-e-Gulistan kiya hoga
From: hasan@bass.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Please Help; Trying to Locate
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:47:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.101536
Organization: Boston University

I am trying to locate two long lost friends.
 
Sohail Tariq Khan originally from Lahore, did his masters in civil
engineering from University of Texas Austin around '86-87.
 
Tariq S. Jaffery originally from Rawalpindi (also Quetta) was doing
his Phd in physics at University of Oklahoma, Norman in '86-87.
He used to work at Fermi lab at Chicago in summers.

I would appreciate anybody's help in locating them.I am sure that all of you
there have some old friends you would like to get in touch with.

wasalam
Ali. (posting from a friend's account, but emailing me here is fine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahme0002@student.tc.umn.edu (Wajihuddin Ahmed)
Subject: TEST
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:58:35 GMT


-- 
                                                       ___     ___
 ------------------ --------------------------------- [   ]   [   ] -------
| Wajihuddin Ahmed | ahmed002@epx.cis.umn.edu         /   \   /   \        |
|    EE  '93       | ahme0002@student.tc.umn.edu     /  /\ \ / /\  \       |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: tahassan@lonestar.utsa.edu (Tawfiq . Hassan)
Subject: IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:43:55 GMT

The Pakistani American Community of San Antonio, Texas, USA,  is pleased to
announce the formation of PAKISTANI AMERICAN CULTURAL ASSOCIATION OF GREATER
SAN ANTONIO (PACAGSA).

Over 400 members of the community living in the area see the formation of the
Association as the beginning of a new era in the socio-cultural matrix of
the city, an opportunity to promote goodwill with other segments of the
local population, and to nourish and foster cultural activities representing
the rich heritage of Pakistan and its people.

The Association is a non-profit organization providing its members a platform
from where activities to achieve its aims and objectives could be planned,
organized and administered, leading to the  community's interests at large
and providing them an opportunity to be part of the society in an exemplary
way.

The Association is managed by an elected Executive Committee of nine members
comprising of the following office-bearers.

    KHALED J. SIDDIQUI      PRESIDENT
    SADRUDDIN E. KASSIM     VICE-PRESIDENT
    SYED Z. PARVEZ, M.D.    GENERAL SECRETARY
    QADEER SIDDIQI          TREASURER

    Executive Members

    EHSAN U. MALIK
    NOORJEHAN JAVED
    SHAFQAT CHOUDHRY
    SIRAJ KAPADIA
    TAHIR KHAN

    The office of the Association is temporarily located at

    701 Austin Hwy
    San Antonio, Tx  78209
    (210) 829-1817.

    All persons interested in joining the Association may please contact
    the Association at the above address or through the courtesy E-MAIL
    address :

    tahassan@lonestar.utsa.edu  Attn: PACAGSA


    Sincerely,

    Khaled J. Siddiqui
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject: Re: Request for Nasir Kazmi's Nazm....
Keywords: Hydrocarbons
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:35:03 GMT

In article <1dbg5vINNne6@coral.bucknell.edu>, zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi) writes:
|> 
|> 	Dear Netters,
|> 
|> 	Can anyone, especially Atiya Hussain & Adil Najam, could post a great Nazm by
|> 	Nasir Kazmi which starts like this:
|> 
|>               "Bal banaoo'N kis kai leyi.....Ghar say nikloo'N kis kai leyi"
|> 
|> 	Thankx in advance
|> 
|> 	Khuda Hafiz
|> 
|> 	Zakir Abdi
|> 
|>  


I don't remember the entire ghazal, but I do certainly remember (and identify
with) a few of its aashars:

	naaye kapRay pehan kay jaaouN kahaaN, meiN baal banaaouN kiss kay leeaye?
	woh saakhs tou sehr he chooR gaya, meiN baahar jaaouN kiss kay leeaye?

	woh seyhr meiN tha tou uss kay leeaye, auorouN say bhi milna paRta tha
	aab aaisay waisay loogouN kay meiN naaz uthaaouN kiss kay leeaye?



	If my memory decides to serve me better than it is doing now,
	I might chip in with one more verse later.

	
	regards,

	ADIL NAJAM
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Women & Pakistani Police....
Keywords: Hydrocarbons....
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:28:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: coral.1e0hjnINN6vb
Distribution: world
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu


	Dear friends, 

	Last year, Aasia Ayub, 38, was arrested for a minor offense.  She says,
	she was tortured and her "private parts hurt."  Another woman in Karachi
	says police raped her in a holding cell.  Under the criminal procedure
	code, police are allowed to detain prisoners without notifying a 
	magistrate for 24 hrs.  But faced with rising abuse of female prisoners,
	the government has promised that only women suspected of murder or armed
	robbery will be detained by police.

	Asia Week Nov. 1992.

	Zakir Abdi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab)
Subject: Re: Goodbye Mr. Bush
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.095239.14480@ra.msstate.edu> far1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Sayed Faraz A. Razavi) writes:
>Assalamalaikum!!!
>Isn't it great that the modern day Yazeed is gone :)...I am so happy to see
>this happen...next inshallah will be the fall of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait...
>The Kaffir of these countries will find the follies of their ways with the
>mistakes they made to allow mushrikoon on our land...
>Salam khodahafiz,
>Faraz
>

Fall of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait ..... to whom?  the great momin of 
Iraq?   

Kamran Aftab
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: re: Urdu
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:46:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


>Could someone kindly tell me something about the earliest text in
>the Urdu language? I'd appreciate any information on the date, origin,
>author etc. if it is available. Thanks in advance.
>Mustafa Saiyid

	I think it is either Vali Deccani or Quli Qutub Shah. But, they were
both poets. May be someone else wrote prose before them.
	Vali Deccani was around in 16th/17th century in the area which is
these days called Andhra Pradesh( Capital City, Hyderabad).
	Quli Qutub Shah was one of the Kings in QutubShahi dynasty. Their 
capital city  Golconda is 30 miles (approx) outside of Hyderabad city
in Andhra Pradesh. Quli Qutub Shah founded the city of Hyderabad and named
it after his lover, Bhagmati. He later titled her as Hydermahal. Thus the
city came to be know as Hyderabad. His kingdom consisted of almost same area
which is now called Andhra Pradesh. Not only he was the first (I guess ?)
Saheb-e-Devaan Urdu poet, but also promoted Telgu. Golconda was finally 
invaded by Northern armies during Aurengzeb times. Golconda fort
still exists today. 

Mansoor
Cleveland

Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:16473 soc.culture.usa:8392 soc.culture.mexican:6735
From: al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Jesus Eugenio Sanchez Pena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: Jesus is a Prophet, not Son of God
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:44:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.usa,alt.dev.null

ysm@engin.umich.edu (Yawar Shahzad Murad) writes:

    [lots of stuff deleted...]

I think this discussion doesn't belong to soc.culture.mexican...

--
Eugenio Sanchez			| `Ojos claros, serenos,
al198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx	|  que de un dulce mirar sois alabados...'
al198723@next00.mty.itesm.mx	|  		-- Gutierre de Cetina
Morelia 3903, Fracc. Lincoln, Monterrey, N.L., 64310 MEXICO, (83)714336
From: Bamin@novell.com (Baber Amin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: to be muslim :< WAS conversion out of ISLAM????
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:28:01 GMT
Organization: Novell NPD

In article <1992Nov5.210624.9271@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab) writes:
>From: cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab)
>Subject: Re: to be muslim :< WAS conversion out of ISLAM????
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:06:24 GMT
>In article <1992Nov5.120520.1055@dct.ac.uk> eesd2ag@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>RE: conversion to / out of islam?????
>>
>>     As i see it to be a muslim one must wholeheartedly believe in the
>>teachings of the Quran and that belief must be deep inside the person.
>>
>
>So that means one cannot be muslim by birth ... one has to study the religion
>in depth to "wholeheartedly" believe in it. What that translates into is that
>all but few of the people living in the muslim countries (now can we call them
>muslim countries?) are not muslims! 
>
>"Hey Mike , congratulations your conversion has been endorsed! You can go
>back to Pakistan now, and you won't be killed!"
>
>
>Kamran Aftab

I for one would tend to agree with your observation,  we are born in muslim 
families in muslim societies and are never questioned about our beliefs.  Up 
here in the U.S.  we have to figure out for ourselves if we are muslims and 
what Islam is offering in contrast to other religions available.

Peace

Baber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain)
Subject: Re: My idea
Reply-To: ahussain@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 22:04:31 GMT

I agree with Tanwir. Mirza Asad Sahab ka point kiya hai.
---

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: Name changes in Pakistan
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:23:59 GMT


	Lalu Khait	to 	Liaqatabad
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Talaq by Phone
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Nov06.122914.11082
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Originator: indu@iss700


  Bandhuyon!

  After seeing one of the articles posted, I  was  interested  in
knowing  whether  the  ISLAMIC  PRACTICE OF  TALAQ  (divorce)  is
possible over phone?

All I know about this system is that, 

A MALE CAN DIVORCE HIS WIFE JUST BY SAYING TALAQ-TALAQ-TALAQ  
(uttering TALAQ three times).

Even if he were saying it in state of un-conciousness, or  under
fear   of  some thing else, or under intoxication or just for fun
or for any  reason  under the sky, THE DIVORCE WILL BE CONSIDERED
VALID. The  only  thing  that counts is, uttering TALAQ.

Then, HOW DOES A handicapped person (a person who cannot speak)
divorce    his   wife?    Also,  should  this  TALAQ  be  uttered
consecutively three times, or  is  it  over  a time period.  That
is,  if  TALAQ  is  uttered  thrice  with  some time gaps (say  X
minutes) within a time period of Y? Also, what is  the  proof  if
the PEOPLE involved do not agree to it? 

Is the uttering by HUSBAND alone enough? Or is  there  a  provision 
where WHAT-IS-UTTERED-SHOULD-BE-HEARD-BY- WIFE? What if the WIFE is 
Handicapped  (  deaf,  or  cannot  hear clearly)? And in cases 
where there are more than one wife, and if A PERSON INTENDS TO  
TALAQ only one of them how does one go about it?

  What is the status of the DIVORCED wife? Is she to  remain  all
by herself, that is is she provided any compensation etc,?

  I have never read any material on these aspects.  All  my  this
knowledge is only through informal  discussions,  perceptions  of
different people.

  Can some noble soul throw  some  light  on  these  aspects.   I
always  wondered  WHY  A  FAMILY  SETUP RUNS ON SUCH  A  DELICATE
THREAD? Because, HUMANS are prone to undergo the difficulties  of
life.  There  can  be  ups and downs. At some weak moment, when a
person unable to face  some  problem, decides to TALAQ then what?
Probably   he   may  want  to  undo  it  later?  I  DO UNDERSTAND
THAT WHEN, KORAN WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN THRE WERE NO PHONES?  SO  
what  is the case now?

  Should an advancement in technology be not applied  to  Islamic
religious practices?

  If YES then all my inquiries about TALAQ BY  PHONE  will  still
     remain.
  If NO  then, I NOTICED THE EARLY MORNING  CALLS  (around  4:30)
     given from mosques are done over   AUDIO-SYSTEMS  (Speakers, 
     mikes etc,). How will Islam guarantee that?

Thanks in advance for those providing the information. 

-Indu.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  My  views expressed above are made on a PERSONAL basis              |
|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: sam6608@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: GIF files for Pakistan
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: sam6608@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

The gif files related to Pakistan can be obtained as follows:
host:		ugcs.caltech.edu
login:	anonymous
password:	<your email address>
dir:		/pub/gifs/Pakistan
information is in the file:
images.doc
be careful with the upper/lowercase!
use BINARY format
From: syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 09:06:17 GMT
Subject: Re: some more ash'aar from Momin
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan


	THE LOCKLESS DOOR  (beghair taalay kaa darwaza)
		by Allam Shair-e-Maghrib Jinab Robert Frost


	It went many years,
	But at last came a knock,
	And I thought of the door
	With no lock to lock.

	I blew the light,
	I tiptoed the floor,
	And raised both hands
	In prayer to the door.

	But the knock came again.
	My window was wide;
	I climbed on the sill
	And descended outside.

	Back over the sill
	I bade a "Come in"
	To whatever the knock
	At the door may have been.

	So at a knock
	I emptied my cage
	To hide in the world
	And alter with age.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: psa@cc.uow.edu.au (u9067914 pakistan students assoc)
Subject: Who's LOOKING FOR  A L I   A B B A S 
Summary: (X)
Keywords: Habib Bank
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:24:57 GMT






SOME ONE CALLED ME TWO OR THREE DAYS AGO BUT DUE TO SOME 
PROBLEM IN THE SOFTWARE I LOST THE MESSAGE AND THE E-MAIL
NUMBER PLEASE CALL ME AGAIN.

FROM ALI ABBAS

From: syed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Tanwir Syed-Mohammad)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 09:29:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: RAG -- Questions for Rafay Khan
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server