HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: RFD:comp.sys.atari.znet
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:14:04 -0700

In <68okPB1w164w@status.gen.nz>, Jon Clarke writes:
> 
> Thanks for your input John, maybe you would like to post this in 
>news.groups with the rest of the discussion.

	Another thing to note included below.

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From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups
Subject: Current Status of USENET Newsgroup Proposals
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:33:42 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc

The groups listed below have been suggested in news.announce.newgroups,
with a Request for Discussion posted on the date indicated.  Proposals
stay in this list for one month, regardless of whether they are moved
to a vote.

Group                             RFD   Group                             RFD
======================================  ======================================
sci.techxfer                    20 Jul  rec.games.int-fiction           21 Jul
misc.forsale.computers.hardware.ibm                                     28 Jul
misc.forsale.computers.hardware.apple                                   28 Jul
misc.forsale.computers.hardware.other                                   28 Jul
misc.forsale.computers.software.ibm                                     28 Jul
misc.forsale.computers.software.apple                                   28 Jul
misc.forsale.computers.software.other                                   28 Jul
rec.models.scale                28 Jul  sci.virtual-world.apps          30 Jul
comp.org.aix                     4 Aug  comp.sys.stratus                 4 Aug
comp.graphics.gnuplot            8 Aug  comp.infosystems.hypertext      11 Aug
comp.speech                     11 Aug  misc.transit                    11 Aug
soc.culture.maghreb             11 Aug


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From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon tinkering thoughts...
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:42:58 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.155722.27123@u.washington.edu> dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) writes:
>>
>>Can anyone who's seen a Falcon tell me how easy it would be to pull out
>>the motherboard and  put it in my Mega STe?  I don't want to give up my
>>separate keyboard.

>	I don't blame you - the separate keyboards make life a nicer place to
>be.  :)

>>  I have a Maxtor 7120S SCSI 120 meg drive in it now;
>>I'd probably have to rig up some funky way of connecting it internally to
>>the SCSI port...  have to cut different holes in the back for the
>>different ports... How about the keyboard?  Could the modular jack be
>>directly wired from the old keyboard wires?  

>	Remember, the Falcon has an internal IDE drive - that means they
>probably took out the internal SCSI connector.  So you will have to get an
>external case, and a converter to go from 25->50 SCSI, and of course, the
>25pin cable - you can get that at any Mac shop - in fact, just about any 
>case/powersupply built for the mac should work perfectly.  Also, if you plan
>to get a high-speed SCSI-2 drive in the future, I recommend you get the 
>SCSI-2 rated cables - supposedly they give better performance (more s/n ??)
>but I have not seen this first hand.

Yes, but the IDE drive is optional.  I think it will be possible to
connect the SCSI ribbon cable internally to the external SCSI port; i.e.,
soldering the individual wires to the leads on the inside of the connector...

>>The other thing is if I were to get a Falcon (whether or not I put the
>>motherboard in the Mega STe case) would I be able to run mono-only
>>programs like Calamus 1.09n?  

>	Sure.  It supports all the ST resolutions.

Oh, I see you're right from my trusty Atari Advantage! :)  Didn't notice
that.  But it doesn't do TT High (1280x960 monochrome) though...

And I wonder if MultiTos will run ST high res programs in windows in its
640x480 65k color mode?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Atari Conference! Topic: Wind Time: Sunday 9 PM EST Where: +AtariCon
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:44:56 GMT


The Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG will be holding a conference in the
Multi-User Chat area of Free-Net (go cafe) on Sunday night 9 PM EST.

The channel will be +AtariCon and it may be invite only so you may
need to send a request to enter the conference.

The topic will be on the possibility of getting a ST/Falcon support
campaign going.  It is pretty much well-known that the ST has been
slowing where new software and hardware is concerned.  The funny thing is,
nobody knows why--I still buy software and I'm sure you do too!

Since Atari seems to be attempting to get itself together by releasing
the Falcon 030, we may be able to help the Falcon by creating some wind.

This Sunday night, be there!

:)

Len Stys (aa399@cleveland.freenet.Edu)

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From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: gater 'r us
Subject: Re: Software written to your specs
	<H.8zrhn73hGgw@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> <5332764@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
	<H.tTX&ZzYtjW_@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>
Reply-To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:00:44 EST

In <H.tTX&ZzYtjW_@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca>, John Henders writes:
>	To all those having trouble getting in touch with Martin Ibert.
>
>	As as been mentioned before, Martin has a job which keeps him on the 
>road a lot, and so, doesn't always answer his mail that quickly. To send him
>money, I beleive the address in the 1.0 and 1.03 releases is still good. I 
>sent cash. Just figure out what your currency works out to for the DM
>price, and add about 10%, to pay for any charges he incurs changing the 
>money at the bank. This is much cheaper than buying an international 
>money order or doing a bank transfer. This method would probably be 
>acceptable top other European shareware authors, but try to check with 
>them before sending.
>	I just wrap a bunch of old printouts around the $ to prevent it from 
>being visible through the envelope.

Bank transfers are somewhat expensive (25$US) but are reliable and fast.
When my wife heard about my attempts get money to germany, she reminded
me of international money orders from the US post office.  they are
fairly cheap (~2$) and available in the currency of your choice (or
at least that is what my wife claims).  I'll update the net as to what
I find.  (the things I go through to pay for shareware)  I wonder
if martin is interested in a north american rep.

and now on to the hermes questions:

I just converted over to hermes after living with mercury for the past
2 years.  It took all day but now I have an acceptable (and probably
not optimal) configuration.  But as you can guess, I have some questions.

I have not run pathalis because I have only one connection and I
keep getting file usr\lib\mail\paths" not found messages.  what is a good 
dummy file for paths and mdbs files?

Another warning is it can not tell what my modem type is.  I suspect I
am missing a database somewhere.  clues?

when I run nhm and try to regenerate the history files, I get can't
open any more files error messages.  could this be due to some 0
length files in my news spool area? (I got them when I overflowed
my disk when I had a large burp of news).

Thanks for any info.

--- eric

BTW, if you answer by email, use the polaroid address below.  my feed
is at risk of vanishing in the near future which will invalidate my
.us address..  so if anyone knows of any friendly feed sites that
are willing to feed me mail and news PLEASE TELL ME!  a net connection 
is a terrible thing to lose.

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From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Dealer in Boston area??
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:46:58 EDT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:

> In article <1992Aug13.080446.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am new to Atari hardware but I am interested in the new machine being
> > discussed called the Falcon.
> 
> Aren't we all....
> 
> > Eric Edmonds
> > UMASS at Lowell
> > Dept of Nuclear Engineering
> 
> Phil
> 
> -- 
> Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlati
> suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shiel
> and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's on
> one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".

I suggest you get a copy of the June/July 1992 issue of Atari Advantage.
In it is a very indepth article about the Falcon computer. You'll find the
article starting on page #20.
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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Utterly bizarre idea for Atari
Date: 17 Aug 1992 13:28:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug15.043618.17054@news.csuohio.edu> max@madnick.cba.csuohio.edu (Max Polk) writes:
>This is an utterly bizarre idea that will either send you into a
>screaming fit or drop your diastolic blood pressure ten or twenty
[idea of making a 68k based multiprocessor Atari machine removed]

	This sounds like a good idea, except:

1)  The 68ks were not built for multiprocessing (big surprise) - you are not
only talking about totally (almost) re-writing TOS to handle the multiple
processors (which sounds like a good idea to me anyway), but you would have
to implement some impressive glue-logic to get the multiple processors to 
work cooperatively since they a) don't know that they don't own the bus, b)
don't understand any kind of memory but super/user, c) only have 24bits 
address line (and you really want to be able to share some of the memory so 
you can at least pass information between processes/virtual machines).  

2) Related to the last point of 1), you really want to have a distributed
multiprocessor-system - how many times do you run 27 applications simul-
taneously?  Not to mention that each processor would have to have its own
memory - and it doesn't sound too appealing or marketable to have to buy
27MB so you can have 27 1-MB virtual machines.  That and the fact that each
would still be going at the original (single processor) speed.  By having
a distributed multiprocessor system, you distribute tasks over the multiple
processors so that you can have (with properly written software) a (several)
programs executing in parallel over as many processors as is possible/feasable.
Therefore, you get a faster execution time with a slower (=cheaper) technology.

   My suggestions:

To address 1) above, use a 68040 as a minimum - you need not get a faster one,
(<=25MHz should be more than enough, and with the '040/33, prices should be
dropping) - this would be an excellent choice of multiprocessor as it has
built in cache w/cache snoop (if something on the bus requests data that is
cached on the '040, it supplies the data), MMU so that memory can be 
partitioned however needed (ie. processor N's memory, sharable, etc.), and 
it can address 32bits of dataspace so that a huge chunk of memory can be
partitioned dynamically to the processors.  Most importantly, the '040 does
not bus-master the bus - it requests access to the bus just like any other
device on the bus, thus making it nice for other processors that might be
present.

	So how does that sound?  Atari - feel like making some low-cost
multi-processor workstations?


-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: english CRACKART doc's
From: <SELDMARC@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 15:42:00 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Hi,
 
A while ago i read on comp.sys.atari.st something about
the english doc's of a german program called CRACKART.
Now i don't know if it exist's or not but if it does i
would  like to receive any information about where to
find it (or a copy of the file).
 
Many thanks in advance,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Subject: Falcon tinkering thoughts...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:57:22 GMT


Can anyone who's seen a Falcon tell me how easy it would be to pull out
the motherboard and  put it in my Mega STe?  I don't want to give up my
separate keyboard.  I have a Maxtor 7120S SCSI 120 meg drive in it now;
I'd probably have to rig up some funky way of connecting it internally to
the SCSI port...  have to cut different holes in the back for the
different ports... How about the keyboard?  Could the modular jack be
directly wired from the old keyboard wires?  

The other thing is if I were to get a Falcon (whether or not I put the
motherboard in the Mega STe case) would I be able to run mono-only
programs like Calamus 1.09n?  

Thanks,

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: SuperBoot & FontGDOS
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:32:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Does anyone know where I can FTP the latest version of SuperBoot?  I think
7.2 is it...  It doesn't seem to be on atari.archive.umich.edu...

Also, I don't log on to GEnie.  I would like to have the new fontGDOS, but
as far as I know, it's only available on GEnie.  I have the small version,
that was supposed to be distributed with AEO, but I need the big version
with all the drivers.  I would really appreciate it if someone could at
least tell me where I can get it without paying for GEnie...

Thanks,

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: Packing data...
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:39:24 -0700

In <1992Aug10.132744.23799@aston.ac.uk>, Auntie Tim writes:
>I've been investigated packers recently (Ice Packer, LSD Packers, 4Pak)
>and I've noticed that several have options to pack data as well as
>executables. 
>...........Someone 
>care to enlighten me as to how packing data is, in fact, useful? 
>
	There's source code in some of the packer distributions, so programmers
can use the packing format for their own data. Their also handy for getting
data from a disk whose loader doesn't work in 60hz NA mode.

	If you want to pack data for your own files, there's 2 alternatives.

	DataDiet from Double Click which compresses and uncompresses files
on their way to the hard drive.

	AFX included in the Questor LZH archive. AFX also intercepts files
compressed using a special flag. 

	I haven't heard any major horror stories about either of these, though 
I don't use them. Neither are free. AFX is shareware, and DataDiet is 
commmercial.


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From: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Utterly bizarre idea for Atari
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:25:24 GMT
Reply-To: dunham_jerry@tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <1992Aug15.043618.17054@news.csuohio.edu> max@madnick.cba.csuohio.edu (Max Polk) writes:
>This is an utterly bizarre idea.

Nope.

>Here it is in a nutshell: a parallel processing Atari microcomputer
>featuring a set of 68000 microprocessors, sold at low cost yet
>featuring high technology.
>
>It's about time that someone tries this out in one form or another
>for reasonably-priced small computers, and Atari could pull it off.

This sounds amazingly like an Atari-sized version of the Tandem T16 NonStop
architecture that has taken Tandem Computers to a dominant position in fault
tolerant computers and transaction processing.  This would NOT be a trivial
development effort, but WOULD result in a potentially killer machine.  It
would NOT fall into the price range wherein Atari has traditionally been rea-
sonably successful.  I would certainly like to see it happen.  So who's going
to tell Sam T.?


-- 
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Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: Falcon tinkering thoughts...
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:10:28 -0700

In <1992Aug18.155722.27123@u.washington.edu>, Daniel Aylward writes:
>
>Can anyone who's seen a Falcon tell me how easy it would be to pull out
>the motherboard and  put it in my Mega STe?  I don't want to give up my
>separate keyboard.  I have a Maxtor 7120S SCSI 120 meg drive in it now;
>I'd probably have to rig up some funky way of connecting it internally to
>the SCSI port...  have to cut different holes in the back for the
>different ports... How about the keyboard?  Could the modular jack be
>directly wired from the old keyboard wires?  
>

	Well, I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but in the release specs, 
there's mention of a new keyboard chip, so hooking up an old ST or TT
keyboard is probably not an option. As they used the 1040 case, though, 
it might be possible to fit the new keyboard in a mega keyboard case, 
and fake up a new cable.
	I had the same thoughts when I heard the Falcon came in a 1040 case.
After you have a printer, monitor, and any other assorted cables sticking
out of the back of the case, it's a b*tch moving the computer around. 
Besides, I'm gettinb real used to typing with the keyboard in my lap.
	Atari hasn't said what new keyboard chip they're using, maybe it'll
be the same on as in a clone keyboard. Probably not, though.



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From: cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Quickie FAX software sought
Keywords: fax,st,supra
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:15:37 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso) writes:

>OK, so now that I have splurged and bought a Supra FAXModem V.32bis from
>my local Atari dealer and have seen the light of way-fast modem speeds,
>I am left with the nagging question in my mind:  does the fax part of
>this puppy work too?  After all, I have only five years to find out
>before the warranty runs out. :-)

>So I place it before the assembled throng:  is there a quick/easy/cheap
>fax program for the ST by which I can send some simple file to a fax
>machine, and perhaps even receive a fax from said machine?  I have no
>dtp programs with which to compose a fancy page, but I can gin something
>up with Degas or I can create a PostScript [tm] or .dvi file on another
>system and get it to my ST.

The only existing piece of faxmodem software that I am aware of is STraight 
Fax from Joppa Software (717)428-3231. It is capable of converting ASCII files 
along with any GDOS files. It doesn't do background faxing and it doesn't have 
a printer emulator. For occasional faxes it works great for both send and 
receive.

Dan
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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization:  One of these days for sure
Subject: Re: Atari Canada (or lack thereof)
Reply-To: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:28:12 -0700

In <Bt0FHB.8IJ@math.uwaterloo.ca>, L.J. Dickey writes:
>
>This could be unfortunate.  There were occasions when Atari users
>in Canada had better access to supplies of machines than did
>our American friends.   My experience with the US office is
>that they do not answer mail.

	From what I've heard from western Canada dealers, Geoff Earle,
now covers all eastern sales, including US, and Murry Brown, former
western Canada sales rep, covers western Canada, and nw US. 

	Both these guys have better track records at opening new dealers 
to Atari, and keeping machines flowing to their deales, than their 
former US counterpars, so in general, it could be an iomprovement. 

	Who knows, maybe you'll even see more Atari dealers in their 
respective territories. At one time, Geoff Earle had more Atari 
dealers in Toronto than the entire US east coast, including NYC.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: an375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Baker)
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems
Reply-To: an375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Baker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:01:42 GMT


In a previous article, baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) says:

>In article <1992Aug13.152028.18112@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Baker) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>>Computability has them for $209.  They also have golden image mice (for PC)
>>for $17, hmmm.
>
>	Are you sure that that is a supraFAX modem V.32_bis_?  that sounds like
>the price of the 9600bps V.32 (no bis, also,not 14.4kbps).  
>
>	Could you double check that?

	You're right, but, in my typical half asleep way, I thought we were
talking about 9600.  What is v.32bis?  Is it a kind of data compression no
high speed modem should be without, or is it the 14.4k protocol?  What is 
their voice upgrade, and will it affect the modem/fax capabilities?  And, 
why do I ask since I never have any money?

	Also, I was off on the price by $30 (its 239, more with PC software).
I learned this when I single checked.
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