HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET"
X-VMS-Cc: CORJB
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:35:23 -0500
From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      The depths of that which is yet to come. . .NEXT

. . .I find incredibly interesting.  I am talking about the world in
which the United States of America and all of its citizens find themselves.

Does anyone know of any discussion among academics and/or politicians about
the role the US should play in a world without the Cold War?

I tend to believe that in some way domestic and foreign policy are
tightly linked.  During the Cold War, foreign policy considerations
were the ones which shaped the mission and purpose of the US.  Foreign
policy, with all of the notions of containing communism, ect. were
the determinants in US government.

Now that the War is over, what is next?  Surely the US won't seek a new
"enemy."  Maybe we will.  Maybe that is what is going on with Hussein and
Somalia.  Perhaps the US will not have one "enemy", but many such as
hunger, minor regional strong-men types who bully their neighbors.  Maybe
the situation in the former Yugoslavia will be next.

Is the US shifting its enemy to the ups and downs, the ins and outs,
the stresses and strains in the Third World.?  Is the US opting to
be the global saviour?

Will foreign policy continue to precede domestic?  Can we afford to allow
this to happen?

I think not.  I think that it is time to allow domestic policy in the
driver's seat for a while.  We have enough problems and whatnot of our
own to keep our federal, state and local governments busy for quite a
while without diverting poltical power, influence and thought abroad.

What do you think?

Json
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:01:43 EST
From:         Daniel David Benson <bensonda@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reagan's legacy and the politics of the SC
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
              Differential" at Jan 27, 93 9:57 am

>
> >
> >I know...they must be magicians or something...for the last decade they've
> >shown a remarkable ability to legislate their morality for the rest
> >of us. :)
> >-T.
>
>         And how will they legislate something that never comes before them for

> review?
>
> Brett'
>
You don't think people will bring suits to challenge the new administrations
legislation once it gets enacted? Yeah, right.

-Dan
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:29:12 -0400
From:         The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The good old days
Comments: To: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>The American worker doesn't need to be freed from government.  Freed
>from his boss is another matter.  There's a company in California that
>docks its workers if they show up with a hickey.  They claim it's
>because it distracts the customers.  There's another one here that fired
>someone because he wouldn't falsify interstate trucking logs.  There's
>nothing wrong with American workers, all right, but American management
>needs a kick in the ass.
>Best,
>Peter

        There are worker here in Dayton that used and sold drugs while working
with heavy machinery.  There were arrested and put in jail, but now that they
are out they have their jobs back because the company doesn't want to fight the
union.
        A worker wanders the plant all day, earning the nickname "the
wanderer".  The company doesn't fire him because the union would fight it.
Another worker comes in drunk, locks himself in a closet, and drinks all day.
Once again the company will not fight the union to fire him.
...

        It's not either/or it's both that need a kick in the ass.

Brett'
(The company==GM)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:14:03 -0400
From:         The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: William Jefferson Clinton -- anagram
Comments: To: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>>        No argument here.  I'd be the first to cheer indexing for inflation.
>>As far as any other indexing goes, do we index by income (outside of the
>>gains), by size of the capital gain, or both?
>
>I am not sure what you are saying.  *I* say that
>capital gains (minus the inflation part) should be
>treated (at least), and in effect taxed, exactly like
>earned income.
>--KAT

        Once we have decided to roll it into the "income" category, do we
simply do so as a flat amount N or say the first M dollars of cap gains is X%,
the second L is Y%, etc.

        Because if we simply add it as a flat amount, a windfall will end up as
a huge tax burden to the lower income people (as it catapaults them into the
highest tax bracket).

        Do we really want to do that, or let them keep most of the first $10k,
a little less of the next $10k, and even less of greater amounts...in other
words, as a parallel category to income.

Brett'
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:56:06 -0500
From:         MCW001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gennifer, "Czar's" cheerleader
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

Herr Ruckman, writes:

>It occurs to me that if your self-esteem is so low (being little and
>feeble), you might try "meister" instead of Meester, at least when
>addressing me.

        Sorry to stir that teutonic blood there.  Hope I made up for it
in the opening...

>...Too bad poor Bill wasn't intelligent enough to think that one
>up, otherwise he could have saved his little apology to Mario.
(in reference of course to the "Genny Tapes")

        Speculation on whether or not those tapes were real, partly
real, or totally false is thankfully closed.  Suffice it to say, when
there is a bimbo who aids your cause, she becomes the poor
unfortunate woman, but when there is a poor unfortuate woman
who puts your cause in danger, she becomes a vengeful, villified
conniving liar...
                                        Travlr
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: The Soldier of Fortune case
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <01GTXT4ETKBS000AGD@drew.drew.edu>,   
      JCOCURUL@DREW.BITNET writes...
>P.S. For free speech absolutists out there (any?).  The SC denied oral
>argument for Solidier of Fortune maganazine in a case where a former
>mercenary advertised his services and was hired and did kill someone.
>The magazine was sued for damages and lost.  Is this a free speech
>violation?

No.  This is negligence, pure and simple.  Since _Tarasoff v. Regents of
University of California_, 17 Cal. 3d 425,  131 Cal. Rptr. 14, 551 P.2d 334
(1976), there has been a general recognition that there is at least some level
of duty to control the conduct of others.  Although in cases like _Tarasoff_,
this duty was predicated on an existing threat to a specific individual, a "gun
for hire" ad _creates_ a generalized threat, and should draw a similar duty. 
(Please note:  This is conjectural reasoning, as I have not read the appellate
decision in the Soldier of Fortune case.)

							Dan, ad nauseum
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:38:02 CST
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      smoke smoke smoke that cigarette

Item from AP in today's paper:

The center for disease control (CDC) is testing 23,000 Americans for
cotinine, a nicotine byproduct found in blood serum. The first 800
people, ages 4 to 91, had levels that ranged from less than .1 nanogram
to 650 nanograms of cotine. People with more than 10 - 15 nanograms of
cotinine per milliliter of blood serum are usually smokers or use
nicotine patches or gum. Smaller levels indicate the person has been
exposed to second hand smoke. This is the first time that a study has
found cotine levels in all participants. Previous studies failed to find
any cotine in 20 - 30 percent of the participants.

The article said that the Environmental Protection Agency estimates
that second hand smoke kills about 3,000 non-smokers annually.

fred
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
X-VMS-To: VAXF::IN%"POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:23:27 -0700
From:         Dom Maddalone <DMADDALONE@UH01.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rush Limbaugh & Politics
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

   pcs$1703@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU from Southeastern Louisiana University writes:

> For a informative view on politics listen to Rush Limbaugh on the
> AM dial.

    Golly, what an informative opinion from an anonymous-chicken-shit-brain-
dead-non-thinking-zombie-like-drooling-over-another-radio-broadcasting-drooling-
slob.   Pretty typical of the audience, I believe.
    Anything else you like to inform us of, oh, holy of holies, oh master
of anonymousness?

    Dom Maddalone, dmaddalone@uh01.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
From: UC390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu (JON HALL)
Subject: Re: states rights and federal funding
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:59:35 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

well, come to think of it, madison was a federalist, and he
probably would have said, "so what?" in response to my query.
and he would've been eloquent.
 
my brain was jumbled from eleven hours (paid) in the computer lab.
my brain still is. i can still drive. i know my name. jumbled,
yup, my brain was jumbled. good excuse. now, where did i leave
my keys...
 
-Jon Hall
uc390136@mizzou1.missouri.edu
From: DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU (The Integral Differential)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: That hat
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:00:09 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Comments: To: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU


        Somebody shoot that hat designer!  Uuuuuuugly!

Brett'
(Hillary's, of course)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:33:58 -0400
From:         The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: That heady feeling (Clinton's inaugural)
Comments: To: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>Brett,
>
>That "heady feeling" that you described having back when Reagan took office
>in 1981 is precisely what I have felt watching Clinton take the reins.  It's
>an intense feeling of hopefulness and inclusion in the process of government.
>It was great to have my candidate win in my 3rd stab at voting for President.
>I suppose that this exhilaration won't last long, and I'll join you and
>everyone else in just hoping that (at worst) Clinton doesn't screw up.
>
>--Anjani

        Comparing an inauguration to an earlier one is at best a fuzzy science.
Especially if your candidate didn't win those elections :).

        It's kind of like kids and sex: each generation thinks that not only
have they discoverd sex for the first time (or at least some of the more
interesting positions :), but that it's much better than what earlier
generations could possibly have achieved.

        I guess you have to have been there :D

Brett'
(Ducking the vegetables)
From: DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU (The Integral Differential)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: (no subject given)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:41:54 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Comments: To: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

>What a facile point. Everybody knows that unemployment continues to
>rise for at least a year after recovery begins.

        Let's see, the recovery began in the first quarter of 1991, so it's
now...two years.

        Heh.

>Do you think that the Federal Government should step in and run the
>113 stores themselves ? Or that an injunction should be placed on
>Sears forbidding them from colsing the stores ? Only wanton
>intervention would prevent this, and I'm sure you wouldn't approve of
>that.
>
>Dunstan

        Every once in a while you like to stir the embers to see what ignites.

Brett'
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: Re:      Re: Nanny and Zoe
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:42 PST
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <POLITICS%93012212415509@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,     
    Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes...
>There is a difference, I think, between confirming someone who has
>had some indiscretion in their past and confirming someone who has
>violated INS regulations to a position overseeing the INS.  In Zoe's
>case we aren't talking about outstanding parking tickets, but a
>premeditated violation of laws directly related to the position to
>which she was nominated.

What we have here is a case of a woman being forced out of a job opportunity
because she couldn't find decent child care.  Being from Connecticut and
hearing some of the horror stories of family friends, I believe that.

That said, there is NO excuse for the Attorney General of the United States in
claiming that they received bad legal advice.

							Dan, ad nauseum
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Priority: normal
X-mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5).
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:45:38 PDT
From:         Stan Jacobs <JACOBS@125LAW1.LAW.UCLA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Uncl: Re: Uncl: Quotable quotes
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

>
> >Flame on, Robert!   ...............
> >              ...  Thanks, Robert, for posting this.  It just made my
> >day...
> >-Stan Jacobs
>
> You're quite welcome sir.  I wouldn't call it 'flaming' though, just
> shedding a little light on the truth.
>
> ---Robert

You're right, Robert.  After all, you did leave out the rest of
"b____!"    (And it must be ok to print here, because I see it in
Moonlighting re-runs all the time...<smile>...)

Actually, I think you're right.  Commendations.

John Stanforth Jacobs,
    From the Right.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Return-Path: <@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU:MEC038@ukcc.uky.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:58:34 EST
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gennifer says
              24 Jan 1993 19:02:42 -0500 from
              <udeeko@GRITS.VALDOSTA.PEACHNET.EDU>

On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:02:42 -0500 Ude Eko said:

>>But Clinton did not *admit* anything either (except the Mario reference
>>and that it was basically him on the tape).  And many tape-analysts said
>>that the tape had been "doctored".
>
>Funny.  This looks like the waffling we have gotten used to since
>November, 1991.  If Clinton takes responsibility for the "Mario" part,
>then for SPOTTY THE OWL'S SAKE he should just come out of the closet and
>admit everything!  If the tape was doctored, as the tape-analysts
>postulated, then who was the masculine voice we all heard on the tape?
>
>Ude Eko (udeeko@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu)

Well, I don't know EXACTLY what "doctored" means -- and I cannot open
my dictionary for many months to come, I am deeply hurt over Jamie's
appointment. (BTW, now that you are gonna post less often, is the post
of Logic Czar open?)  The charge is not that the voice is not that of
Clinton's, rather (I hope I am not mistaken here) that there has been
a lot of cut AND paste in the tape.

Why should Clinton admit to things that he has not said.  At any rate,
EVEN IF CLinton DID say everything in your post, I still didn't see
where he admitted that he has had an affair with Gennifer Flowers.

--KAT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
X-VMS-To: IN%"POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:20:00 AST
From:         "Ramon, your friendly Dictator" <R_ALEMAN@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re:Re:Monday musings
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

> Earth to fred.  Come in fred.  If it gets vetoed, it
>doesn't become a UN resolution.
>  Presidents also have veto power, though there is an
>override procedure.  If Clinton vetoes a bill, it
>doesn't become law.  If you disregard that vetoed
>bill, you haven't broken the law.

        Tim, (or do you prefer Mr. President?), you are procedurally right,
but missing the basic point of the whole argument. The WRONG thing here,
as you have surmised briefly in your message, is the lack of: (a) an
override procedure regarding US veto power, (or that of any of the
permanent Security Council members);  (b) democracy when a small minority
decides unilaterally, and with no rules whatsoever, what becomes UN "law"
and what does not.
        The US has historically abused of its veto power in a shameless
manner. The matter has been brought to its attention, (and to the General
Assembly), and the US always ignores the request for a fairer and more
democratic structure for the United Mations. That coupled with its
selective compliance with international law only when it suits its narrow
"national security", (i.e;  "imperialist"), objectives goes to the heart of
the current discussion dealing with the abusive and hypocritical US
treatment of UN resolutions and other international agreements.

  - Ramon

 P.S. As Gary discovered recently, I am involved in a deeply secret
conspiracy to overthrow Tim's regime and subject him to a biased and
humiliating political trial. I'll try to make it a bloody and violent coup
d'etat so that media pundits can have a ball covering it. Any person(s)
interested in subverting the phony democratical order of this list can
apply. High posts and ample rewards will be given to fellow conspirators
after I regain full dictatorial powers. Long live the dictatorship of the
electronic proletariat!!!!
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:31:49 CST
From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Further comments on Iraq ...
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

> >>If the US is ever held to account for its numerous war crimes, and the UN
>
> >        Which would be?
>
> >Brett'
>
>
>
> Tell you what...would steering you towards the topics
>
> Panama          Grenada         Vietnam
>
> keep you busy with the answer for a while?
>
> Don't want to inundate you with them ALL at once...
>
>
> -T.

   don't forget ramsey clark's new book, "u.s. war crimes in the gulf",
available now at all cpusa offices . . .

rtf
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:25:47 CST
From:         "rufus t. firefly" <U9AA@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SAFE T DANCE
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

> >   On a lighter note....
> >
> >   Did everyone enjoy watching Al and Tipper trying to dance to Graceland?
> >At least we know that Al is hip.  Why didn't Al and Tipper mosh at the MTV
> >Ball?
> >
> >Carl---+
>
>         Penthouse has a cartoon of Bill and Al as the Blue's Brothers.  Almost
> appropro 'cept Al doesn't have rythm.
>
> Brett'

  brett! i am *shocked*! where in the world did you get ahold of that
piece of filthy trash? get rid of it *immediately*!!

:)
rtf
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: smoke smoke smoke that cigarette
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:38:12 GMT

Daniel David Benson <bensonda@STUDENT.MSU.EDU> writes:

>>
>> All these numbers are neat, but:
>>
>> Smoking or non-smoking, the number one cause of death of human beings
>> in America today is pre-natal dismemberment.  1.5 million per year.
>> And climbing.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> --NINAR Kerry
>>
>Isn't it funny how some people can bring up abortion when talking about any
>other issue? 

Brings to mind that definition of 'fanatic'. Something along the lines
of someone who brings their pet subject into every conversation.

P.


-- 
moorcockheathersiainbankshamandcornpizzapjorourkebluesbrothersspikeleepratchett
clive  P a u l   M o l o n e y    "I'm pretty witty and you're itty bitty    pe
james  Trinity College, Dublin     And isn't it a pity the city can't see?   vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU