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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:31:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.151439.9297@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@cezanne.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <BxsKJ5.7C7@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>>
>>In <1992Nov15.043905.16588@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>>
>>| It's poetic justice that on the day Michigan played for a tie
>>| against an unranked team, ND goes for the win and finally beats
>>| Penn State again! ND could have kicked the extra point for a tie.
>>| This should silence those Holtz bashers. He was going for the
>>| two point conversion all the way.  And the fourth down TD and
>>| conversion, both with passes, show Mirer's potential as a great QB.
>>| You don't risk losing the game (and hurting your Bowl status) 
>>| without great confidence in your QB.
>>
>>How could you hurt ND Bowl status.  All they have to do is win 7 games
>>and they get a Major NYD game at the Orange, Cotton, Sugar or Fiesta.
>>Win, lose or draw ND gets to play at one of the big bowls.
>>
>Yes, ND gets to go to a Bowl on Jan 1, but their final ranking
>at the end of the season will play a big part in which bowl they
>go to and who they end up playing.
>
>
>		- Rob
>
>

Thanks, Rob. couldn't have said it better myself.
The phrase "bowl status" doesn't simply mean; 
"Duh, just tell me, do I play on New Year's or not?"

If you're a competitive team, you want a shot at the best team
possible at bowl time. Of course they don't want the Orange 
again (twice in last three years against Colorado, and the
Buffs just might be back). Variety is nice. ;-)

But, if 'bama and TA&M lose this week (it could happen),
does Miami go for an FSU rematch, (why give Bowden another chance?)
or set up the "dream" matchup against ND in the Fiesta? 

And, in addition, what if Syracuse beats da Canes? 
(Again, it could happen ...)  :-)

-
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule (ND afraid of Doak)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.161628.1511@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>
>>I believe your correct; however, I do not have the official schedule.  From 
>>what I understand, the Notre Dame games will be at South Bend and at a neutral
>>site, most likely Jacksonville.  Notre Dame refused to play us in Tallahassee.
>>They claim D.C. stadium is too small.  Granted it will only seat 62000+ fans,
>>but I think it would be nice to see Notre Dame come off their high chair and
>>play us in our backyard.  Side note:  it was great to see Notre Dame go for 
>>the win instead of the tie last week unlike Michigan.  Does anybody
>>know if we get to beat up on Michigan in Tallahassee?
>
>
>Thanks for the info Rick.  I can't really buy into Notre Dame's argument that
>Doak Campbell is too small, considering that it will hold 72,000+ with the new
>seats being currently installed.  I think the capacity is at this point up to
>about 67,000 and as a result a new record crowd is expected for the UF game.
>Now I know good and well that Notre Dame had a home and home series with Air
>Force and I doubt their stadium holds as many as FSU's.  I am sure that Notre
>Dame has played on other occasions in stadiums holding less than 72,000.  If
>they came to Tallahassee, Doak Campbell would be packed and national TV would
>be there so money couldn't be cited as a factor.  IMO it is a lack of respect
>for FSU on ND's part.  Same problem with Michigan.  We played at least 2 times
>up there, played them close (but lost) in 1986 and spanked them last year, but
>they refuse to come down to Tallahassee.  At least Michigan State had the guts
>to come down after we pasted them up there, although they said they'd never
>come again.  Something about the heat and humidity being too hard on the northern
>boys.  Okay, I'm rambling.  I can see a slight justification in Michigan, in
>that they can sell 30,000 more tickets for their stadium than FSU can, at what,
>$25 a pop, for an extra $750,000?  But Notre Dame I don't know.  Anybody know
>how many seats they have in South Bend?
>
>D. Head
>FSU '91

ND stadium holds 59,000 at most.  Can't see how
they claim Doak Stadium is to small.  

Also, ND plays at Pitt Stadium which seats about 50,000.


John L 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Subject: Re: Oklahoma State BEATS Oklahoma:  Final 15-15.
Originator: zmed0b@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:14:08 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.193117.9390@a.cs.okstate.edu>, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
> Title says it all.  :)
> 
> 
> Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
> ps peace
> 
> 
> 

Dream on.  It's as close as you will get for another 16 years.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mhoza@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael J Hoza)
Subject: Re: OSU beats Michigan: 13-13
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:14:01 GMT



>Michigan has 3 ties.  My own, slightly biased view of them went like this: ND
>could have gone either way and nobody can gribe, Ill was outplayed by
>michigan but UM destroyed themselves and Ill played a terifficly solid game
>to take advantage of it.  But OSU was the best team on the field in tie #3.
>Not by a lot, I thought the game was almost as close as the score.  But those
>southern boys should have won.
>
>-------------------------------
>    Bill Mangione-Smith
>    billms@eecs.umich.edu


That is pretty generous coming from Ann Arbor.  I thought it was a great game 
and am willing to call it a tie.  Even though the Buckeyes had a clear 
statistical edge I thought the Wolves controlled the line of scrimage more and 
showed superb run defense.  It really looked to me that Michigan had a more 
talented team and Ohio State was better coached.  Our running game was
stuffed and we were able adjust the game plan and "take what the defense was
giving us" whereas Moeller seemed either overly conservative or arrogant about
running it down our throats.  I really did not get his comment about not being
able to throw because of the slick field when Herbstreit was able to put it up
40+ times, especially when he's got a guy like Alexander on his team. [Perhaps
I should also give some credit to our pass defense!]  It is just too bad that
the Ohio State administration is not supporting Cooper because Moeller is going
to kill him in recruiting again if our program does not gain some stability
very soon.

M Hoza
From: tweedy8432@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: I-AA Attendance & Playoff thoughts
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:03:16 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

The following table is taken from the Waterloo Courier, Sunday, Nov. 15, 1992

                  I-AA  Top 20  Attendance
                  ------------------------
                                Att.         Rank

1.  Northeast Louisiana        15,569         17
(t) The Citadel                18,495         11
3.  Northern Iowa              11,037         37
4.  Middle Tennessee State     12,875         27
5.  Idaho                      12,214         30
6.  Marshall                   21,961          6
7.  Villanova                   9,104         44
(t) Youngstown State            6,350         66
9.  Samford                     5,570         73
10. Delaware                   19,800          9
11. McNeese State              13,004         26
12. Eastern Kentucky           15,167         19
13. William & Mary             12,784         28
14. Eastern Washington          3,918         84
(t) Florida A&M                25,207          2
16. Western Carolina           ------         --
17. Princeton                  11,125         36
18. Appalachian State          ------         --
19. Richmond                   ------         --
20. Georgia Southern           16,704         15
(t) Massachusetts               8,214         55

These figures are from the ***1991*** season.

No. 1 in attendance was Grambling (27,181)
No. 88 (last) was Nicholls State   (2,132)

Of course, depending on the success of the team this year, these figures will
fluctuate. Here at UNI, the current average is 13,597, up over 2500 from last
year, and a crowd of 16,000 is expected for the final home game.

As the current system stands, with schools "bidding" for home games through
the playoffs, a team such as Florida A&M (ranked #2 in attendance) could
very easily host two or three rounds of the playoffs while coming into the
games with the #16 (last) seed.  Other factors (final AP rank and weather,
Dome or no Dome) are considered when giving out home games, but taking lessons
from Div. I's bowl games, everything pretty much runs on money.

Expected averages help schools decide how high to bid. (Some schools may even 
decide to take a loss ($) if they think it is necessary to secure home field 
advantage)  A school can bid on first-, second-, and semifinal-round games 
individually, but all bids must be submitted at the same time.  Bids were due 
last Friday, Nov. 13, and 33 schools submitted their hopes to host playoff 
games.

If memory serves me correctly, last year's champion, Youngstown State, played
all of their games on the road.  Even more reason to crown them champions,
although it seems there weren't many hometown folks around to celebrate for
them.

Chris Tweedy
UNI 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:54:33 GMT

In article <BxvC1A.1rC@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>In <1992Nov17.035732.580@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>
>| Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>| still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>| significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>| They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>| against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>| up any chance to win the MNC.
>| 
>| ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>| Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>| USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>| the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...
>| 
> 1. ND played Michigan for a tie.
Sorry, you are wrong. (Did you watch that game?)
Last week's games demonstrated who settles for ties. 

> 2. ND has a loss, Michigan doesn't.
FSU has a loss, TexasA&M doesn't.

> 3. Lou's headlock on the Ref.
Since when is a coach not allowed to care about dangerous plays?

> 4. ND's fake punt when they were ahead 37-0 over BC.
This should impress the pollsters (Mo' points rule).
Also, why can't the No. 9 team score over 30 pts. in a half? ND made
that mistake vs. Tenn. exactly 1 year previously.
At least the punter didn't do a back flip after he made the play.
Who would back flip after scoring against Temple, a huge underdog?

> 5. ND is the most hated team in football.
Wrong.  Miami is. ;) Being hated does not equal lower rating.

> 6. All of the above.

Gee, real strong arguments. That was too easy. Try again.

-
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks..
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:44:44 GMT

>Strictly sour grapes that Ohio State, AS USUAL, doesn't have a chance
>to play for the league championship.  Go ahead, whine.  It just makes
>you look bad.  But then, posting an article with "___ sucks" in the
>title won't win you much respect in the group either.
>
>
>
>-Alan Harder
> American Mathematical SOciety
> Michigan Fan
> Drinker of Anchor Steam 
>

Just what I want is respect for someone who feels the need to tell us
he is in the "American Mathematical Society" and drinks "Anchor Steam"
beer. Your CRAZY!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dan West                                            ______   ______   __  __
west@cis.ohio-state.edu                            /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                    \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
Go Bucks!                                           \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
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From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <1992Nov16.152533.30160@uvmark.uucp>,
by davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks):

[deleted blabbing]

>>If you can draw any conclusions from this scenario then you have no
>>grasp of logic and you are a pinhead!
> 
> The fact that you even are trying to make some point from this (lord knows
> what that point is), shows you are a pin-head...

Yo David!  How convenient that you don't post the stuff to which
you are responding.  The scenario illustrated the lunacy, ignorance,
and, well, pinheadedness associated with the "transitive property of
athletic competition."  Now, go back and read this part of the original
post (perhaps for the first time), and see that many (not just "lord"
figured out the point.  Hurry!  It may already be too late to avoid
at least temporary pinheadedness!

> David T. Meeks

--

Steve Matheson   Program in Neuroscience   University of Arizona
sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:07:31 GMT


>They claim D.C. stadium is too small.  Granted it will only seat 62000+ fans,
>but I think it would be nice to see Notre Dame come off their high chair and
>play us in our backyard.  Side note:  it was great to see Notre Dame go for 

out of curiosity, what is Notre Dame's stadium seating capacity?  
(It always looks awfully puny on tv)

cmuck

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tja2f@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Timothy J. Allison)
Subject: Re: Miami's NYD Opponent
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.160547.19531@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>Since it's obvious to me that there is currently no worthy
>opponent for the Canes to play on NYD I propose that they
>play the NFL teams with the best record at the time on NYD.
>
>This scenario is the only one that will afford the Canes
>any respect from the MENSA crowd here in r.s.f.c. If the
>Canes play merely a College team on NYD they'll be 
>accused of; chickening out to someone else, beating up on
>a patsie, spousal abuse, increasing the national debt,
>or performing cervical cancer research without a permit.
>
>Therefore I submit that the Canes must play the Dallas
>Cowboys, San Fransisco 49ers and the Buffalo Bills all
>on NYD. Finally they'll play teams that no one here in
>r.s.f.c can say is inappropriate as an opponent.
>
>Any objections?

Yeah, wait a minute!  That's still not fair.  The Canes 
would be playing alums from all those colleges that
aren't worthy of the Canes.  If you want to be fair it's
got to be a team comprised of all those guys that are Miami
alums.  And, of course, as you hinted at, Jimmy Johnson 
would have to be the coach.

>
>John T.
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>If you take yourself too seriously, you'll be the only one who does.
>
>..John "Dolphinatic" Turman...

Notus obligatorius:  Yes I'm being sarcastic.
Tim Allison
tja2ff@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: AGGIES SUCK!!!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:57:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.234048.21903@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>I recently found this definition of the word Aggie in Webster's dictionary:
>
>Aggie - n. 1. an asshole whose size is so extraordinary that the Eiffel tower
>       fits inside with only moderate lubrication. 2. a large conglomeration
>       of hicks into what has been called a "school". adj. 3 the USUALLY 
>       undesirable condition of a part of the body, especially genitalia.
>       usage: Your penis is Aggie.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>
GEEZ that loss to Miami, AGAIN, seems to have taken a toll. May I suggest you
vent your frustration at your kicker and focus your energy towards finding a
new one.  


*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:32:56 GMT


[stuff about inhospitible OSU fans]

That's too bad.  I didn't notice the same thing two years ago when I went for
an Illini game which, at the time, was a big game for both squads.  The Bucks
seemed very cordial, even late night in the bars (especially the ladies ;^) )

However, we did have a problem with some of the locals.  Two of our group
were mugged by a carload of Columbus' lesser fortunate, more crimnal, and
violent elements, who pulled up in a car, got out, asked us for directions
or something and then jumped us. One member of our group, a rather large
bouncer type didn't know where he was for several minutes.  This paled to
shootings the same evening somewhere else in the city, near campus. 

I guess that's life in the big city.  Makes you long for sleepy Champaign
(which has its own small share of bad areas)

Murph
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: WOOF GODS STRIKES AGAIN! (was Re: WSU 42 UW 23)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:40:26 GMT

In article <dkH=2w@engin.umich.edu> chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>	BTW, this is the kind of day that if MIAMI had played WSU, they will
>have been blown out as well.  Miami's team structure is similar to the Huskies,
>which relies on speed.  The game would not even be close.  Too bad they played
>in a dome. 

Don't count on it... Miami knows how to win anywhere! Just look at their 
record in the last two years!

>- Chung Yang

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: smithg@a.cs.okstate.edu (SMITH GARY WAYNE)
Subject: Re: Lee Corso Screws A&M
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:38:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.231912.23828@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> thiaga@bind.cs.fsu.edu (Raghuram Thiagarajan) writes:
>
>	Something I was curious about :- 
>		Given the fact that almost everybody thinks Corso is
>	a fool .  Also, the fact that noone takes him seriously.
>	Is it neccesary that FSU jumped TAMU in the polls solely
>	due to "CORSO's" woofing ? 
>		Is it so hard to accept that the Pollsters may have 
>	been capable of independant thinking ?
>
>		I personally dont think Corso could've made such a 
>	difference. Considering that the other two "Sane" ESPN
>	commentators with less radical views were against the 
>	shift in poll positions . Think about  it ! 


Corso is a fool.  Fools are entitled to their opinions. Corso is also a 
sportscaster.  Sportscasters and sportswriters jobs are devoted to 
presenting and writing about sports.  Sportscasters and sportswriters are 
rehired if they present and write well.  Many sportscasters and sportswriters 
have never played in or coached a football game.  Coaches tend to be fired 
when they are no good at coaching.  Many coaches who are fired are former 
coaches.  Many sportscasters and sportswriters are former coaches.  People 
who vote in the AP poll are sportscasters and sportswriters.  The AP poll 
listed Florida State over Texas A&M by 3 votes.

Football Coaches are paid lots of money to coach football.  Good coaches 
tend to be rehired.  Good football coaches win football games.  Many football
coaches have been football coaches for many years.  Coaches vote in the 
CNN/USA-Today poll.  The CNN/USA-Today poll listed A&M over Florida State 
by a large margin.

- goober (no way in hell am i going to make any conclusions from that) smith
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Big 8 Preview(11-20)
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:29:48 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


Sat(11-21)	results		my	marsee	gupta	schmidt	Sagarin	nat
ISU @ CU			21c	16c		12c	15c	17c	
KU @ MU				7k	7k		9k	6k	8k
OSU @ KSU			1ks	4ks		2ks	1ks	3ks

PICKS/vs SPREAD
	this week	overall
Mine	         	39-14-2/16-24-1
MARSEE	         	30-13-2/18-27
Gupta	         	35-9-2/26-20
Schmidt	         	40-10-2/25-23-2
Sagarin	         	28-12-2/20-21-1
Nation	         	30-9-2/22-17-2

Mine
ISU @ CU......after the Cyclones big upset, the Buffs won't be 
	shocked.  ISU used a ground game to control the clock.  And
	the game.  But ISU isn't in the home-cooking of Ames,IA.
	And the road is rough on 'em.  Another crushing in Boulder.
	Bowl implications for CU...possible Orange.
	CU 24-3.
KU @ MU.....the border war.  These two hate each other.  Mizzou
	just came off an upset over K-State for their first DivIA
	win this year.  KU barely got beat by Colo for the 2nd
	straight year.  Bowl implications for the Jayhawks too...
	possible Orange.  KU 24-17.
OSU @ KSU....KSU, who can figure them out.  Tough at home, wimps
	on the road.  OSU seems to be the same way.  It is KSU's 
	Homecoming, and the weather is 50 and rain.  Because of
	the rain, KSU 21-20.

Marsee's(place,rate)
ISU	40-587			CU	17-699
KU	25-670			MU	63-512
OSU	66-509			KSU	76-484
NU	 2-894
OU	27-643

GUPTA's picks(place,rate,score)

Schmidt's picks(place,pts,str)
ISU	50-72.544-73.084	CU	17-81.350-72.842
KU	22-79.143-72.921	MU	71-67.622-73.297
OSU	68-68.400-73.697	KSU	75-67.027-68.684
NU	 3-92.003-76.909
OU	31-75.954-71.677

Sagarin(team,place,rate,sch.str;opp,place,rate,sch.str)
ISU	54-72.84-72.23		CU	15-84.97-75.31
KU	23-80.97-73.94		MU	66-71.11-77.71
OSU	72-69.56-76.89		KSU	82-67.54-70.17
NU	 2-95.87-76.70
OU	21-81.33-72.37

	conf		overall	
NU      4-1-0           7-2-0
CU      4-1-1           8-1-1
KU      4-2-0           7-3-0
OU      3-1-2           5-3-2
OSU     2-3-1           4-5-1
ISU     2-4-0           4-6-0
KSU     1-4-0           4-5-0
MU      1-5-0           2-8-0

Fri(11-27)
	NU @ OU		12:30pm ABC
Sat(12-5)
	KSU v NU(Toyko)  9:00pm
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