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From: v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies & NS ...
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:00:00 GMT
Organization: ---Roach Motel---
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <uTNRiB1w164w@temasek.uucp>, harish@temasek.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes...
>zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim) writes:
> 
>I'm a reservist Officer and I beg to differ. If what you said is for real,
>you, assuming a non-commissioned officer, have all the rights and 
>opportunities to complain against your officer.  Being in the reserves, gives 
>you even more options to lodge a protest/complaint.

you being an officer ought ought to know that power corrupts --
most of the time. you, my friend, cud be an exception.-- however,
the odds are against it.
> 
>If the above did happen, was it because of something you did - you've not
>told the whole story?  I'm, however, not disputing your story.  If it is 
>indeed true, and the officer did act unjustifiably he needs to be reprimanded.

don't call zack a liar, cleaning rifles are part/parcel of
being in army (at least in us army).

reprimand an officer ?  give me a f__king break!
> 
>[Now, don't give me the excuse that it is not worth the time etc.  If you are
>sincerely pissed off, you should seek proper redress.  If not, hold your
>peace.]

hold your horses, proper redress in the army for cleaning the
officers rifle.  you had better take a good strong look at 
the organizational structure of the army before recommending
stupid things like that.
> 
>I did my full-time service in the Police.  Following ROD, I did about 5 yrs
>of reserve service in the Police which, for an Reservist Inspector, is a real
>waste of time.  After that I was transferred to CD and had to disrupt for

 we're talking army, not police.
no wonder your views are nonsense.
even in the us, we know police force is different from
army (very different).

>"NS is the rule of the land.  You've got two choices.  One to say that you do 
>not agree perform NS where by you have the choice of leaving the country after
>surrendering your citizenship or two, go do NS and do the best you can.  If
>you cannot beat them, join them.  If you do anything, do it to the best of
>your ability, no matter how much you dislike it."
> 
it's wimps like you with views like that that let power
to any govt corrupt.  opinionless wimp!
r u sure there aren't any other choices?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rtt1@cec2.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: basically hello to all you people out there.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:46:05 GMT

In article <sdv8Zra00awLMEy0QC@andrew.cmu.edu> Azmeer Salleh <as60+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>DISCLAIMER:  All the opinions in this posting are those of the author
>and the author alone.   Count to five before reading this post.  Count
>only to five, no more, no less.  Five, and only five, is the number to
>which you must count.  Not one, for it is too little. Not two, for it is
>only one up from one. Nor may you count to three or four as they are not
>five.  Any number greater than five will not count, anyway.  So go on
>and read it already.
>

	I see that you have watched Monthy Python and the Quest for the 
	Holy Grail.  In fact, I just watched it for the first time this past
	weekend.  Rather hilarious... 

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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To create a better Malaysia III
Keywords: Too many intelectuals but...
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:51:50 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <53695@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:

>Even our sultan(whom supposedly to represent us, malays) display an act of
>sheer arrogant and not to mention extravagance.  Think about all the money
>($2.3 mill. M'sian ringgit I was told) he could used to help out those
>malays under his nose out of poverty(that just one case from only one Sultan
>...some people say the dumbmest and the more unwealthy ones).  Is this a 
>symbol that the Malays been bragging about? 


	I think you owe some Malays on this network an apology for
calling the Sultan of Kelantan "the dumbest of all Sultans".  You have
no facts to back up the allegation.  It is an insult to Kelantanese in
general and all Malays.  I don't mind the statement if it is a fact,
but your making this remark based on a rumor is uncalled for.  You
claim yourself to be an intelligent person: how could an intelligent
person branded a Sultan as "dumb" without basing his comments on any
factoids?

	As a Kelantanese, I believe you owe me an apology for calling
my Sultan the above.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:14:35 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr16.180606.20470@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>Anybody who against their government in ANY country might be trial in
>court and if found guilty WILL be executed.

Not true.  FYI, a number of countries, the death penalty is banned.
Also, in most Western democratic countries, it is an acceptable
practice to criticise and oppose the govt.  Afterall, that is 
what a democratic country is supposed to have.

>Hei YOU malaysian who talk much about Indonesia. YOU had better shut up
>if you don't know the real situation in Indonesia.
>I'm getting bored reading your bullshitting about my country!.

A suggestion.  If you don't want to see any of my posting, press
the kill button.  I will not shut up when human rights are being 
abused, whether it is in Malaysia, Indonesia or anywhere else
in the world.

>   STOP BULLSHITTING OR YOU MIGHT BE GUNNED DOWN :-)
>   FLAME OFF BEFORE ON. ANYBODY START TO FLAME ON MIGHT BE GUNNED DOWN TOO.
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There, I rest my case.

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From: sng@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Eddie Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore Newsbrief: April 10
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:34:00 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <harish.276.0@csar.uucp>, harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes...
>>    Reuter, Singapore, April 10 - An advance party of 100 U.S. naval
>>personnel will arrive in Singapore this month to set up a naval
>>logistics base, the island state's Ministry of Defence said on Friday.

     Does anyone  knows  where  will  it be located?  Geez..  I didn't know
that Singapore has grown in size since  I  left.  We don't even have enough
land for ourselves and we are setting up an U.S. base.

>There goes the neighbourhood.  Looks like carrying a Singapore passport
>will not be safe anymore.  All we need is for some group with an axe to
>grind against the US to realize that Singapore has a US base (no matter
>how small) and take their anger out on Singaporeans.

     Not only that, the number of AIDS cases will definitely go up.

>Were we as Singaporeans consulted on this?  No.
>Should we have been consulted?  Yes.

     What is the public reaction?

> 
>I wonder what Chiam and company will say about this?
> 
>Enjoy.
>--
>Harish Pillay             harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
>Singapore               "Psst!  Wanna buy some gum?"

+----------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
| Eddie Ng                   |  A day without laughter is a day wasted    |
| SNG@ENVMSA.EAS.ASU.EDU     |               --  Charles Spencer Chaplin  |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: The ecosystem and the malays
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:21:12 GMT

In article <92102.230031MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>netters,
>i am not trying to put the blame on some other party but i do believe that
>the logging problem in malaysia can be solved by the buyers of the lumber
>itself.
>the western countries and some advanced asian countries are the major buyers
>of our lumber but they  are the same people who are condeming malaysia for
>cutting down our rain forest. sure we have to be protective of our forests
>and we should monitor our logging. i totally agree with that. but when the
>demand is outrageous, can we blame the gov. for taking the opportunity to
>make a fast buck.
>
>the advanced countries should try to curb their demand for lumber. it is all
>basic micreconomics. countries like japan who buys a lot of our lumber still
>refuse to use plastic chopsticks and continue to use wood. even thailand is
>buying our lumber now.
>
>organizations such as GATT or G7 should do something if they want to preserve
>'our' forest. we sure won't. we need the income.
>
>one of malaysia major errors is that we just continue to sell our raw materials
>without really trying to produce them into finished/semi finished products. as
>an example is our tin industry. now that tin has been declared as a sunset
>industry, tin is just a part of malaysia history. just like that.sure, we've
>produced products from rubber such as tires but how about palm oil and coconut
>oil?
>
>currently malaysia has made the right move by building more refineris and LNG
>plants. if we just sell crude oil, the profit is less and we'd be broke when
>we have no more oil-which some people predict in less than 100 years. we are
>the very few that are buying tankers for our own use instead of leasing. all
>these assets can be put to use even after we have depleted our reserves.


	Nicely put, Firdaus.  Just hope that there are more Malaysians
with your kind of attitudes...

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:57:51 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr6.203940.7622@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	My advice to these people: go to a library and get yourself a
>book, and read!  The largest contributors of CO2 are the developed
>nations.  Try to see whether they are doing everything they can to
>reduce their own CO2 emissions.  Easiest case: the US.  Is Bush doing
>anything in his power to curb this problem?  Then, ask yourself
>whether the ocean or the jungle is the primary oxygen-resupplier.

This is the same ignorance as that exhibited by the PM in his speech.
The main topic seems to be global warming due to CO2 etc.  However,
the real issue here is the loss of the rain forrest.  Global warming
is only one consequence of losing our rain forest.  FYI (and the
library can tell you more), every loging operation always results in
the loss of plant and animal species from the rain forest.  Sometimes,
the species got extinct even before science had a chance to discover it.
This is a GREAT loss to mankind.  It is a proven fact that there are
many plants in the rain forest that have medicinal value.  If we lose
one species, we lose the chance to study it for its medicinal value.
Who knows, it might even be able to cure AIDS.  So take your own 
advice.  Go to the library and read up about the rain forest before
discussing anymore.

>	I am a better person now.  

Self praise is no praise.

>I can see clearly how some people
>are borned with "Anti-Government" gens and will bend over backwards to
>criticize the Malaysian government no matter what!  

There is nothing wrong with being anti-govt or criticising the govt.  
If the govt is wrong, we have a right to criticise it.  If we don't
like the policies of the govt, we have the right to be against it.
It is as simple as that.  Afterall, think of it this way.  The right
to be anti-govt is equivalent ot the right of opposition.  Without
opposition, there can be no democracy.

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From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: The privileges of the Sultans
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:39:03 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


> 	Of course, there is a difference between the Monarchy in
> England and Malaysia.  England does not accept that many Chinese as
> her citizens; therefore, dimishing any kinds of problems that will be
> created from a multi-racial society.  Malaysia, in her kindness to the
> new immigrants, accepted a lot of Chinese, changing the whole scope of
> the Malaysian power-play.  Do you see a lot of immigrants objecting to
> having the Queen in England?  No, because they know they are lucky to
> be in England and know their fate.  But hey, gratitude is not
> something that you see in Malaysia...
> 

	Now that I "know" you better, I should not be surprise
to see you again throw in the "Chinese" element in from your limited
"repertoire".



>>	First of all, as pointed out by someone in the net, they have only
>>one and we have nine.
> 
> 	So what?  We should have had 11 Rulers, but the state of
> Malacca and Penang did not have a ruler once they had become
> predominately Chinese.  


	here we go again !!!!
> 
>> 	Secondly, British monarchy has to conduct themselves properly.  
>> Can you  imagine Prince Charles being a murderer and get away with
> it ?
> 
> 	The British government got away with murder all the time.  
> You don't see the IRA in Malaysia because the Malaysian government
> does not adhere to totalitarian rules...
> 
	I was shocked to see you did not response by saying British government 
got away with murder because it was supported by the People Republic of China.
Well, maybe next time.

>>	The people of UK has a voice regarding the monarchy, whereas
>>we don't unless you want to be detained under ISA.
> 
> 	We have a lot of ingratitude people in Malaysia.  That is why
> ISA should always be in effect in our country.
> 	
	However, the barn in Malaysia is not effective in keeping 
you from escaping to US.


>>	Finally, the monarchy in UK brings in a lot of money through 
>>tourism.  You will be surprised to see all those people during the
>>changing of the guard in Buckingham Palace.
> 
> 	Of course.  Brown-nosers...  At least our country no longer
> has to pay respect to that old-Lady.

	But we do have to pay respect to a murderer though.
  
> 
>>	I hope the educated citizens of Malaysia should not blindly
>>support their Sultans regardless of what they did.  I am in support
>>of UMNO to curb the priviledges of Sultans.  
> 
> 	The Sultans in Malaysia do not have that much power to begin
> with.  It is pointless to curb their power when they hardly have
> any...
> 
	This is a better one-liner than Jay Reno's


> ===------ 
> NorAazizam MohdAAsif
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:21:21 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr16.151909.9952@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> aman@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Amril Aman) writes:

>>
>>
>>What I was refering to was the systematic extermination of the
>>communists after the failed coup.  
>
>Now, we get the fact that your accusation of GENOCIDE and killing
>of chinese people by the government of Indonesia is baseless
>and false.   

Whether you can justify it or not, the systemetic killing of
a group of people just because they do not share the same
political views as you do is GENOCIDE.  Go see a dictionary.
The people killed during the coup is not genocide.  It is
the killing of the people AFTER the coup that is considered 
genocide.  Wanna guess how many got killed?

>I also hope that you (and also everybody) do the homework before
>submitting your posting.  Do not talk about something that
>you don't know about.  Do some reading first before writing your
>posting.  This shows your maturity.  Thank you. 

Maybe you should go look in a dictionary before you post :-).

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Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 22:25:40 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr17.054427.22581@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>Well....I think *YOU* should go look in a dictionary before you post.
>Here is according to *two* of my dictionaries:
>
>gen-o-cide: The act of killing a *WHOLE* group of people. Especially
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whole group of people can refer to the people who, according
to the Indon govt, supports the communist.

>            a *WHOLE* race.
>gen-o-cide: The systematic killing of a *WHOLE* people or nation
>
>I want to know what *your* dictionary define genocide!

Maybe it will be a bit pointless for me to the definition from my
library.  Zam (for once he has done something I agree) has done
just that with his Webster definition.

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Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:43:26 GMT

zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
.....deleted....

>	Why is there a distinction between Gestok and G30S?  My
>understanding from reading several books about the above coup d'etat
>is that it officially started with the killing of three Generals and
>the kidnapping of the other three.  Of course, the coup actually
>started a few hours earlier, Sept 30, 1965, when the plan was
>executed; and the killing of the generals was a part of the plan.  But
>why was Sept 30 so important when the actual coup took place a day
>earlier?

I'm glad that YOU ASK. Anybody would like to ANSWER his question?
:-)

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:08:09 -0400 
From: Azleena Salleh <as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: To create a better Malaysia III
	<1992Apr10.003120.24168@athena.mit.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.asean: 10-Apr-92 Re: To create a
better Mala.. Nor Aazizam M. Aasif@ath (4429)

	Kerajaan pusat tidak mempunyai banyak projek-projek di
Kelantan, dan dalam setengah-setengah kes, tidak mahu membiayai projek
di Kelantan kerana masalah yang dihadapi oleh kerajaan Pusat dengan
parti pembangkang di Kelantan.  Cukai tersebut, in all likelihood,
akan disalurkan di tempat-tempat seperti Kuala Lumpur, dan Seremban,
daripada bandar-bandar di Kelantan.  Kenapa mesti duit YM Sultan
Kelantan digunakan untuk membangunkan bandar-bandar yang bangsa Cina
adalah majoriti ditempat-tempat tersebut.

<end of excerpt>

Maaflah... but I can't possibly accept your argument which is based on
the discrimination towards `bangsa China'.  

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.asean: 10-Apr-92 Re: To create a
better Mala.. Nor Aazizam M. Aasif@ath (4429)

Saudari juga tahu yang
lebih banyak duit kerajaan pusat pergi ke KL daripada Kota Bharu, dan
dalam kes ini, benda yang sama akan berlaku.  Oleh sebab ini, saya
sebagai Rakyat Kelantan, tidak mempunyai apa-apa masalah pun dengan
perlakuan YM Sultan Ismail Petra dalam perkara diatas.

<end of excerpt>

Mengenai hal penyaluran duit keluar negeri tu, wallahu-alam.   Kalau
memang benar pun, ramai juga orang Kelantan yang bekerja di luar negeri
Kelantan sendiri!  Cuba kita fikir,  duit yang didapati dari
negeri-negeri lain dirasa juga oleh orang Kelantan yang menginap di KL,
dan mereka yang kerja dengan jabatan-jabatan kerajaan....

-azleena salleh
From: v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: singaporean's "we" dilemma
Keywords: we
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:17:00 GMT
Organization: ---Roach Motel---
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


here i am on wednesday night out.
some friends including a couple of singaporeans joined us.
we headed for a topless joint at the canadian border, because
they provided better entertainment.
at about midnight, we were having beers with a topless dancer
at our tabletop.
god only know how the topic of singapore popped up.
so my singaporean friends (phd and masters students) started talking
about the policies that they agreed/didn't agree with that
were imposed on them back home.
halfway thru their conversation, a few of us remarked 
that they defended singapore's actions with a "we".
do they relate to singapore's policies that much although
some don't agree with it?
they reflected upon our comment (more like in shock).
then they realized that they are a product of the state 
via propaganda. sigh -- how weak are their minds.

the moral of the story is --  never talk about 
propaganda when a table top dancer is taking off
all her cloths in front of you.  you tend to lose
your concentration and realize that life doesn't
get any better than this.
hahahahaa..good weekend guys!!!!

ps.  guy tabletop dancers available for the females too.