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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 10:40:17 EST

In article <93007.154504JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
<JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
 
>  I was just wondering why women's wrestling never made it in
>the U.S. as opposed to Japan.  I personally haven't figured out
>a reason, so I throw it out to rspw.  Any ideas?
 
Women's sports have never been very popular in the U.S.  In
addition, women's wrestling has been promoted poorly in this
country.  The Fabulous Moolah kept herself on top for about
30 years; I'm convinced that she kept a lot of talent, and
consequently public interest, from developing.
 
I think a women's wrestling federation along the lines of the
Japanese feds could be successful in this country.  But it would
require an imaginative promoter willing to take a big risk.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: [WCW] 2 Cold Clash
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:24:08 GMT

In article <9301110714.AA15002@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM>, Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
> Anyone know if 2 Cold Scorpio is getting new ring entrance music
> or just a music video?
> 
> I'm hoping for the former.

  I think that Scorpio's ring music is great.  I don't like the
  dancing particularly, but the music is good.  I hate all of 
  Michael Hayes' revised theme songs for the different wrestlers.
  
  I just thought it funny that you picked on the one theme song
  I did like.
                                                        Herb... 
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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: Women's Wrestling
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:18:26 GMT

In article <hit.726518285@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
><JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>
>>  I was just wondering why women's wrestling never made it in
>>the U.S. as opposed to Japan.  I personally haven't figured out
>>a reason, so I throw it out to rspw.  Any ideas?
>
>I assume that you've never seen women's wrestling from Japan, or you wouldn't
>ask this question(of course there's nothing wrong with that).
>
>Like men's wrestling, there's a big difference between the US wrestling and
>Japanese wrestling.  Not only women's stuff, but also men's wrestling never
>made it big in the US as it has in Japan.  The US wrestling is more like
>a cartoon/fantasy while Japanese wrestling is more like a "sport."  The 
>promotions in Japan try it make their product as realistic as possible while
>the US promotions go like, "oh well, wrestling is fake, and the fans know that
>anyway."  Majority of the US fans don't care about wrestling.  They care more
>about the storyline and gimmick. In Japan, it doesn't matter who is good/bad.
>What the fans want is good wrestling matches. As for women's wrestling, the
>girls of All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling work even harder than most of the
>male wrestlers in the world(and ALL of the female wrestlers in the US I've ever
>seen).
>
>In Japan, lots of people take the wrestling seriously because it deserves to be
>taken seriously.  That's a country where the guys like Hulk Hogan is required
>to "wrestle" while talented guys like Barry Horowitz or the State Patrol 
>receive the oppotunity to show their talent that they can't show in the US.
>
>We haven't even seen good matches by women in the US for years although we
>could see many good matches by men(still not as many as we could in Japan).
>If you talk about the WWF women's tag title feud from '87-88, don't forget that
>one of the teams was Japanese. 
 
Jumping Bomb Angels (?) or were they later??  Whatever team I'm thinking of, I
enjoyed seeing them perform.
From: dweller@husc8.harvard.edu (David Weller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: PWI Awards
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:48:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan8.114818.19101
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The PWI Awards issue came out recently.  I know some people don't like
reading about the mark mags, but I feel it's always fun to compare these 
awards to the Observer's (as well as our own). 

Anyway, this is from memory, because I didn't buy the issue.

Tag Team of the year was Williams and Gordy. 1st runner up were the Disasters,
followed by the Steiners.

Paul E. Dangerously won Manager, followed by Perfect, Race, and Cornett.

Sting was the Most Popular, followed by Warrior and Undertaker

Most Hated was Rude, followed by Flair and Jake.

Razor Ramon won Most Improved.  Eric Watts was Rookie of the Year (Max Moon
was listed as one of the top vote getters who did not place).

Hart/Bulldog won match of the year.  The Royal Rumble was second runner up.

I forget what won feud of the year, butFlair/Savage was in the top two.

Warrior got comeback of the year and Ron Simmons was Inspirational.

Finally, for Wrestler of the Year, who else but the Nature Boy. (They 
remarked that he had won it for the unprecedented sixth time).



-- Chris
From: dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer) 
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Subject: Re: NARCISSUS!
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:13:00 GMT
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Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)

SH>> Charles R. Dennett writes:
  >>
  >> Yeah, who is this?  My two sons (ages 8 and 10) were watching today
  >> (Sat.) and saw Bobby Heenan say this guy was coming.  We can't figure
  >> out who this is.  Did I miss something here?


SH>Lex Luger.

Steve,
By your last note, how can you post "insider news?"
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: Belts
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:11:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.212324.10142@ac.dal.ca> jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
>In article <-Xg=F1_@engin.umich.edu>, joepet@kodiak.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow) writes:

>> Shoudn't that be DiBiase/Roberts/DiBiase/Virgil/DiBiase?  If it is indeed
>> a fake belt, then Jake's "title reign" should be counted also...

>No. Jake never was "Million Dollar Champion". He simply stole the belt and
>carried it around in Damien's bag for awhile.

I disagree.  The "Million Dollar Championship" is probably the stupidest
title ever, and it definitely didn't operate under the standard rules.
Regardless of how Jake "won" the title, at WM6 he defended it,
unsuccessfully, against Dibiase.  Since Jake would have been allowed
to keep it if he had won, he obviously was the champion.

Dibiase also "regained" the title against Virgil by having Repo Man
steal it.  While he did beat Virgil, the match wasn't announced as
being for the title, and Repo had already taken the belt back for
Dibiase before it was over.

Nobody ever held the title when you get right down to it, since it
wasn't a title, but the belt was owned by DiBiase/Roberts/DiBiase/Virgil/
DiBiase, in that order, so that's about as close as you're going to
get to a list of "official" champions.

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From: joepet@kodiak.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow)
Subject: Re: Belts
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:07:58 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: joepet@kodiak.engin.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan11.221440.10106@ac.dal.ca>, jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.144013.26540@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, karnecki@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (The Jian) writes:
> > 
> > BTW, does anyone knows by chance, who has the Million-Dollar-Belt from Ted 
> > DiBiasi ? Last time I saw it was when the Repo Man took it at a fight between
> > Virgil and Million-Dollar-Man (alalalalong alalalalong time ago )
> 
> The belt went from DiBiase to Virgil to DiBiase and then disappeared into
> DiBiase's trophy case. When Money Inc. first won the belts, there was
> no longer any need for Ted to tote around the phoney belt.
> 
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Shoudn't that be DiBiase/Roberts/DiBiase/Virgil/DiBiase?  If it is indeed
a fake belt, then Jake's "title reign" should be counted also...
 
Joe Petrow
joepet@engin.umich.edu
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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  6 Jan 93 06:13:01 GMT

In <76.410.uupcb@darkside.gwinnett.com> dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:

>Again, I disagree.  When I was 12 years old, and a true mark, I used to
>go to MSG and the Spectrum in Philly and me and my pals would try to
>catch when the guys would blade.

>Do you really believe that marks don't know how the guys bleed?

Sure! As for WWF marks, they don't get a chance to see blood that much
anyways. When they do, however, I'm sure they don't know exactly how it
works. When I first started watching wrestling, I remember a juice by
Baron Von Raschke after being attacked by Saito and Ventura in the AWA.
I happened to be watching the show with my parents at the time, and my mom
asked my dad if "that guy" popped one of those fake blood "capsules". I guess
those are use predominately in theatre, etc. 

 
--

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  

"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
        - "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion"(tm)  Ric Flair
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Subject: Re: PWI Awards
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru')
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:20:30 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1993Jan8.114818.19101@husc3.harvard.edu>, dweller@husc8.harvard.edu (David Weller) writes:
> The PWI Awards issue came out recently.  I know some people don't like
> reading about the mark mags, but I feel it's always fun to compare these 
> awards to the Observer's (as well as our own). 

Well, every now and then, the mark viewpoint IS important.

> Anyway, this is from memory, because I didn't buy the issue.

Shows you do have smart money sense.

> Tag Team of the year was Williams and Gordy. 1st runner up were the Disasters,
> followed by the Steiners.

Hey, MVC IS the best team ever, and its a shame they had to split under Watts. 
Whether this ballot is fake or not, at least whoever had the dubious honour of
putting the report together had the sense to put the best on top.  Placing the
Fat-Sters above the Steiners, though, earns a big old question mark.

> Paul E. Dangerously won Manager, followed by Perfect, Race, and Cornett.

That Cornette even made the top four is a HUGE surprise.  Unless, of course, a
lot of people who attend SMW shows also cast ballots.  I wouldn't know. 
Anyway, Dangerously's winning is no big surprise either.

> Sting was the Most Popular, followed by Warrior and Undertaker

Another shocker.  I thought Warrior had this one in the bag.

> Most Hated was Rude, followed by Flair and Jake.

Notice every award to this point has been won by someone who has wrestled in
WCW since June.  Flair should probably have gotten this award, but he was
misused by Vince.  He could have been meaner...

> Razor Ramon won Most Improved.  Eric Watts was Rookie of the Year (Max Moon
> was listed as one of the top vote getters who did not place).

Really, the only other viable contender for Rookie of the Year that comes to
mind is M.A. Bagwell.  Either him or Chris Chavis... and probably neither of
them even placed.

As for Ramon-Hall... well... I liked him better in the AWA.

> Hart/Bulldog won match of the year.  The Royal Rumble was second runner up.

Hell, it was the best match the WWF has put on in two years... no big surprise,
considering the coverage it got.

> I forget what won feud of the year, butFlair/Savage was in the top two.

Lessee... Rude-Sting, Vader-Sting, Roberts-Sting, and USENET-Trevor Ryan are
all good qualifiers... :-)

> Warrior got comeback of the year and Ron Simmons was Inspirational.

The Roider and The Snoozer got two gift awards... how nice.

> Finally, for Wrestler of the Year, who else but the Nature Boy. (They 
> remarked that he had won it for the unprecedented sixth time).

I think they started saying that 'round about the fourth time he got that
award.  The question is, will Vince let him claim it?

Anyway, I can only wonder who got the Editor's Award... hmmm... Bill Watts
again, mebbe?

Isn't it obvious?  I'm bored.

TCG, pb.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Chris
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From: moyj@lib111.its.rpi.edu (Jayson Moy)
Subject: Hogan on TNN
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:19:15 GMT

Hulk Hogan was interviewed on Monday night on TNN, on a show
called Miller & Company. I only caught the last 1/2 hour or
so of it, but here is a basic synopsis of what was discussed:

Hogan on returning to wrestling:
	He is thinking of going to Japan before returning to the US

Hogan on Movies:
	He would love to make more of them, and he really enjoys it

Hogan on retirement:
	He stated that he was in the twilight of his career

Hogan on "Mr. Nanny"(his new movie):
	Basic promotional stuff

Hogan on steroids:
	Went over his Arsenio appearance

I wish I could have seen the first 1/2 hour of it, to see what other
stuff he could throw out there. I did notice that he defended Vince
a lot, especially when the subject of steroids came up, stating that
it was the most rigourous program in all of sports in the entire world.
And he said that the NFL program was basically shit (of course my own words 
here)

If anybody else saw this and can give a better summation, it would be
appreciated. Thanks!

Jayson Moy
moyj@rpi.edu


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From: hrfortso@unix.amherst.edu (HARDY RYAN FORTSON)
Subject: tag teams in RR
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:29:59 GMT

While I agree that no one from a tag team will win the Royal Rumble
(and probably none will spilt up because of it), I wouldn't be
surprised if Vince tried to push the eventual winner by having the
last three people be him and a tag team.  Defeating to "quality"
opponents at once would definitely give the announcers meat with
which to expound upon the credentials of the future WM challenger.
My prediction is Mr. Perfect and Money Inc., but maybe I am just 
being optimistic.
From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Chrispy's House Show Review - COMING SOON!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:19:55 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <86140@ut-emx.uucp> chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios) writes:

>I will be taking pictures and will provide a full review the day after the
>matches.  If anyone has any requests for pictures, recommendations on how to
>get autographs

	Yeah, don't ask Ric Flair!  :)

, etc.  please mail me.
>
>BTW, RSPW has made me want to see house shows even more than before.  RSPW
>is not ruining this sport.  If anything, with Herb and Dave's tapes and
>the enlightening talk on RSPW, it has made me fall in love with wrestling
>all over again.  I'll admit that at first, I was a bit of a mark, but now
>I appreciate the wrestlers more than ever.
>
>  
>
>-- 
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From: phart@heineken.tuc.NRAO.EDU (Paul O. Hart)
Subject: Re: ROYAL RUMBLE PREDICITIONS
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:34:10 GMT

Quoted from shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov in article 19274:

->>        TED DiBIASIE            wager
->
->I think Ted outta go to WCW or some other org. to maybe get a fresh
->angle on his character. Maybe even the FWF where he could be       
->Ted dBAscii. :^[ 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh the pain.


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From: joepet@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow)
Subject: Re: Suplex list
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 15:02:11 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: joepet@lucky.engin.umich.edu


(discussion on superplexes deleted)
 
Has anyone ever done a suplex from the top rope to the floor?  I've always
dreamed of seeing someone reverse an in-ring superplex by taking him over 10
down to the floor.  That would probably both men big time, especially if it
were a back suplex.
 
I won't even ask about a cage-to-floor superplex.
 
Joe Petrow
joepet@engin.umich.edu
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From: dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: I'm Back...Random Thought
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:34:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer@darkside.gwinnett.com (Dave Scherer) 

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)  writes:

  >it is fake, but don't know the inside shit, 3. Non-marks like us. I think th
  >this group has taken some of the magic away from wrestling, i.e. knowing
  >results before they happen, knowing any surprises that might happen on a
  >PPV, showing that wrestlers aren't really all that special- they've got flaw
  >that we aren't told about on TV.

Then again, if you find a fed exciting, you can always skip any news
that comes up.  A friend of mine provides the vast amount of Smoky
Mountain news to the Observer and the Torch.  Yet, since I enjoy the Fed
so much, I never read that section, or even get news from him.  Why?  I
don't want to know.  The same goes for the Japanese TV recaps in the
Observer.
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From: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Jeff Foy)
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Subject: Re: WWF Rantings
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:39:18 GMT
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In <1ir4iqINNpp3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cm775@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rick Scaia) writes:


>Am I the only person here who isn't disappointed with Ric Flair's
>decision to leave the WWF?  First of all, I hold the WWF in much 
>higher regard than WCW, and I'm always disappointed to see the 
>best talent in the business waste away in the inferior WCW. 

Odd. That is exactly how I feel about the WWF. Seems all of WCW's best
wrestlers head to the WWF sooner or later. The Steiners being the latest
casualties. No, waitasec... I know why you feel this way... All of WCW's
former talent is now *IN* the WWF. :-)  So you're getting WCW (in a
sense)

>Secondly, Flair's situation seems to ensure that he will basically
>rot away upon his WCW return.  Face it, Flair did it all in the 
>NWA/WCW:  heel, face, and holder of multiple titles.  And the
>WCW has changed very little since Flair's departure, which means
>all there is for Flair to do is repeat past angles.  He may 

I don't know how others feel but I'm kinda waiting to see a
possible match-up between Flair and Vader. Ole Slick Ric could
put WCW back into the green (as in $$$).  And I'd *really* like
to see Flair do to Eric Watts what he did to Ricky Morton (the
bit about scraping Morton's face on the locker-room floor)
Hell, maybe Flair will give WCW the boost it needs to bring a 
house show here to Seattle already. It's been a loooooong time.

>don't think any of you out there give Vince the credit he deserves
>for reviving pro wrestling in America.  Without his efforts, I
>doubt seriously that r.s.p-w would even exist.  

Oh, geez, Rick, I was ready to quit until I saw that! I'll admit the man
is a marketing genius. He's gotta be making money hand over fist. Maybe
that's what we hate about him. Besides, as a heel he works. Turn him
into a face and folks can't buy it.

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