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From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Re: I HATE BARCLAY (Ream of Fear SPOILER)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.165015.18249@tin.monsanto.com> lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
Possible spoilers

>
>
>He [Barclay] sees something in the transporter
>beam but doesn't want to talk about it
>because he thinks he's just going nuts. What a useless crew member! You
>can't trust him, he can't trust himself, and no competent organization would
>keep somebody like that very long. 

Oh, come now.  This is the 24th century, where everybody loves everybody
and we've learned to accept people's differences, even when they're
thinking impaired like Barclay..   :)

Seriously, I can't agree more.  Not only was the character poorly written,
he was poorly played by the actor.  I have only seen such overacting at
bad college productions.  I positively cringed when Barclay was on the
screen.

On the other hand, the exposition about how the transporter worked and
other technical tidbits were appreciated.


<Craig>

Craig Lowery
Mississippi College
lowery@AuE.com

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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: TA2, Halley's Comet
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.161419.6721@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <1992Sep29.170126.842@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>
>>I was willing to forgive the whole Samual Clemens travels
>>to the 24th century stuff just for the one small comment he
>>made about Halley's Comet to Troi as he leaves the transporter room.
>
>>Sam says says something like, "Have you ever seen Halley's Comet?"
>
>>Sam was born when Halley's Comet appear around 1834.
>>He died when in 1910, when it appeared again.
>>I doubt he ever got to see.

In one review of his works, I read that he *expected* to die in
1910.  He believed that since he came in with the appearance of the
comet he would go out with it.

I believe that he was referring to his story "Captain Stormfields
Trip to Heaven" in which the captain races a comet while he is
going to heaven and winds up at the wrong gate because he veered
off course.  When he gets there, there are a lot of nonhumans.

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From: tedb@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Ted Beers)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:50:55 GMT
Subject: Re: More on Barclay (was Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear")
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
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    drake@drake.almaden.ibm.com (Sam Drake) writes:

>> --There were several occasions that invited the MST3K treatment.  The most 
>> flagrant of those had to be when Beverly's patient...er...corpse suddenly 
>> started having a heartbeat.  

> Funny you should mention it ... the Friday PM showing of MST3K was, in fact,
> some awful piece (no!) involving corpses waking up in the graveyard.  As it
> turns out, I watched the MST3K, then immediately watches Realm of Fear.
> I almost fell over laughing when TNG turned into MST right in front of 
> my eyes.

    I give up!  Please tell me what "MST3K" or "MST" stands for.

					Ted Beers
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 20:44:35 EDT
Reply-To: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

pml@col.hp.com (Patrick M Landry) writes:

> SPOILERS BELOW!!!
> 
> 
> The coolest thing about this show was the implications of the ending...
> now that GR is dead, we seem to be over the LPG* syndrome.
> 
> Did anyone else notice that, in torpedoing the alien's thingy, the crew of
> the Enterprise, without hesitation or remorse, committed utter and total
> genocide?!!?!
> 
> I Love it.
> 
> * LPG = Love, Peace, Granola
> --
> Patrick Landry
> pml@col.hp.com
> Tel (719) 590-2585

Genocide? How many aliens were there, I only saw about a half dozen. It 
seems to me that Delvidia (sp?) is probably one of many bases (outposts) 
established by this race all over the galaxy.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: The Inner Light
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.125311.29956@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

> :....: : .  ::.: .  ..: :    ..     : :    .:   :.:
>:::::::.:::::::::::.:::::: :?.:::::..::::.:.:: :.:::: :
>-------------------------- -------------------.------ ------------------------
>Kanamori's Episode Ratings: (last episode rated: "Time's Arrow Part II")
>  "I keep telling you, there *is* no plot." -- Guinan.

Oh, the use of that line of excerpted dialogue is so _very_ clever,
Atsushi.  Congratulate yourself for the sucessful use of the double
entendre.



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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Time's Arrow" POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:03:02 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Sep28.130415.3853@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>Itty spoiler (maybe)
>

>
>Did anyone else feel that they got the idea for Picard sending the
>"don't fire the torpedoes message" from "Bill and Ted's Excellent
>Adventure"?

I did, too.  I mentioned it to my roommate as we watched the episode.
It was reminiscent of the Bill & Ted scene where they find the keys.


-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER] -- Maybe
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:05:58 GMT
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In <BvM6uz.Gy9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> btd43733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

> v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
> 
> >In article <81012@ut-emx.uucp>, reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) writes...
[what's Barclay doing ordering O'Brien around. What's the deal with O'Brien's
[rank? Retcon, retcon.]

> he became involved in transporter operations and has not been heard from in
> 22 years:)
> 
> I think that the deal with "Realm of Fear" is that some writers got extremely
> LAZY and with little regard to the flamewars which could occur on r.a.s.*

  Whatever.  It certainly does make a hash of things.  In this episode, O'Brien
has ONE OPEN PIP, and makes mention of "doing this for 22 years."  This is a
reasonable amount of time to go from buck Spaceman to a CPO.  Anybody stuck at
LT for 22 years would/should be retired to some quiet backwater of the fed-
eration, not out on the big E.  So it seems he's a CPO NOW, whatever he WAS 
before.  Great bloody Hell.


semper fi,

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From: bakerj@gtephx.UUCP (Jon Baker)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Time's Arrow II"
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:06:18 GMT

In article <w2gsRB6w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, tunal@bluemoon.rn.com (Atul Varma) writes:
> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> > Spoilers for the TNG episode "Time's Arrow II"...
> > bla bla bla analysis of TA
> 
> Dear Mr. Rawdon,
>  
>         I think that was a very good analysis of Time's Arrow.

Ya, but you didn't have to copy the whole damned thing!

> And how did Picard,Crusher,Riker and the 
> others that came after Data suddenly get clothed in nineteenth century
> garb in the first place?! It's not like Riker can just fetch this police
> uniform out from the middle of nowhere!

Actually, I was pleasantly relieved that they spared us the mundane
details.  We went through this 'find the clothes and explain the anomalies'
bit with City On The Edge Of Forever - it was somewhat original, humorous,
and entertaining.  Unless the writers could come up with something new
for TAII, then don't bother.  Let's just assume they popped into an alley
somewhere, rolled a few society folks and a gendarme, and that's it.

----------------------
Look ma, no sig'!
From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:28:47 GMT
Organization: Committee to Elect Dan Quayle Lord of the Cosmos
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In article <Bv93CI.B9p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Kurt A. Seiffert,
seiffert@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>Think about it. Captains don't get to go down on away teams. They don't
>get to sit
>for hours in front of sensor panels analyzing some "disturbance." They
>don't get to 
>engineer some new gadget to get out of pickle. They don't get to sit down
>and analyze
>some new life form. In short, they don't do any of the things  for which
>Data is best 
>suited. And while a humanoid might get wore out doing everything Data
>does, Data 
>"does not require sleep." :-)
>
>I think Data is exactly as high in rank as he wishes to be at the moment.

I would think that a Captain of a science vessel would get to do these
kind of things. However, I agree with your conclusions. I mean, after
Data (hypothetically) reaches Admiral at age 25, then what? He might live
for thousands of years! And there is no age reasons for him to retire.
Maybe he just wants to experience Lt. Commander-hood for a little while
longer.

This makes him fit right in on the Enterprise, with Will "Just Say No to
Captaincy" Riker and Wesley "I'll go to the Academy when I'm good and
ready and then pull stupid stunts that will keep me there forever"
Crusher.

--Mel Walker
From: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Robert Meunier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Paradox [spoilers]
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:19:29 GMT
Reply-To: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec (IREQ)



In article phcr@lynx.unm.edu, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.030335.26463@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>
>
>I was under the impression that what happened was this.
>
>1. Mark Twain has a pocket watch in the 19th century.
>2. In the cave with our intrepid crew, the watch is cast to the ground.
>3. The watch lies in the cave for 500 years.
>4. In the 24th century, our intrepid crew finds a pocket watch in the cave.
>5. At this point in the chronology of the watch (no pun intended), it is 500
>   years old, on the Enterprise.
>6. On the Enterprise, the crew returns from Devidia II, with Mark Twain in
>   tow.
>7. Twain finds and retrieves his watch (now 500 years old).
>8. Twain returns to the 19th century, with his 500 year old watch with him.
>9. Back in the cave, after Picard has left, Twain notices his watch on the
>   ground (the "new" watch, not the 500 year old one).
>10.Twain picks the watch up, but, either remembering the watch in his pocket
>   or mindful of paradox, replaces the new watch on the cave floor.

10. Twain picks the watch up to put it in is pocket and found out there is
already one (the one 500 hundred year old) and then replace it back on the 
ground to let it fulfill it destiny :-)


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From: aodn174@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Twain and London
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:56:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Buzzp7.9t9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese) writes:
>time, but not likely. I don't know when Twain received the watch, but
>if it's anywhere around 1889, which I believe someone said was the
>date that was on the watch, then Jack London was a teenager then. If
>we assume that the action is taking place at the time etched on
>the watch, then Twain would be almost dead. And I believe he spent

Actually, if I remember correctly, Twain didn't die until 1910, and he spent
his last years in the New England area.  That's if I remember the film they
showed in Hannibal, MO right!

__NOVA__
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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: S.O.S. signal (Really!  I mean it!)
Followup-To: alt.newbie,alt.test,misc.test
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:12:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.162237.688@altair.selu.edu>  
scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper) writes:
> In article <Bv57o8.5v1@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>,  
pealbers@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul E. Albers) writes:

[lots o' time travel dialog deleted]

No flames intended but IMHO this thread seems somewhat pointless in  
that nothing scientifically supported has been stated.  Lots of  
scientific-sounding words like "causality" have been used but the  
context of the discussion is primarily philosophical.  (I suppose  
that this is a sf-related newsgroup so real science is unimportant,  
but...)

There's a lot of interesting and relatively recent scientific  
hypothesis and research regarding the potential for time travel which  
cannot be reduced to issues of causality, paradox, and 4-dimensional  
(3 + time) concepts of reality.  Most research attempts to provide a  
mathematical framework to prove or disprove time travel using  
N-dimensional space theories.

Once again, no flames intended.  I think the participants in this  
discussion would probably find some of the actual research very  
interesting.  (I do NOT claim to be an expert on the matter--just  
another armchair physics fan.)

Flame away if I've insulted anyone's pet theories :-)
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: New sets in Realm of Fear (mini-spoilers)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:33:22 GMT

davidhe@ac.dal.ca writes:

>I'm not sure if these are really sopilers, but I'll put in a few spaces just in
>case.














>A few more...




>Ok, that should be enough.
>I haven't seen this posted yet, so did anyone notice the new set and the set 
>add-on?  The new set was the vertical crawl tunnel.  It was neat to see where 
>that door from engineering actually went... Also, I've never seen the cooridor
>part of the transporter room before.  I'm not sure if this was my forgetfulness
>or an add-on.  According to some book I read, that cooridor leads to a waiting 
>and storage room.
>I'm sure I've seen the set of the Yosemite before, but dressed up differently, 
>and I'm sure I've seen the star background before in "Evolution" (Wesly + 
>Nanites).


Wasn't that door where this room is located a turbolift in previous
episodes?  I vaguely remember it being used as such.  I could be wrong
though.


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From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:04:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

  Besides, you seem to think you have a right to see things
> for free, almost as if once you've bought a television set you have
> a right to see something of your choice for free.  I can't agree.
> I'm willing to pay for what I watch (within reason).  That gives
> me a vote in the form of the money I spend.  When those who rely
> upon that money get tired of not seeing it come trickling in along
> /c the money of other consumers, they'll make changes.


I have only skimmed this thread but had to comment on the above. I pay for
cable and everytime a commercial aires I pay *again*.  I pay then *again*
when I purchase a product 'cuz a % of the purchase price paid for the ad
that appeared on a cable channel that I paid to watch. God, I have a
headache.

Another thing, the technology now exists and will be in our homes 
soon where you will be able to watch any given program at any time
you choose.  Sounds nice, yupper.....but when that happens they will
own us.

Truly, I'm heading for the generic non-aspirin.

Fran Adams
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG & "Iron John"?  ("Darmok" spoilers?)
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:43:08 GMT

Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger) writes:

>In the October 5 Newsweek the cover story on "The Cultural Elite"
>discusses how the various medias are inter-related and feed off
>each others ideas.  In one of their examples they trace the spread
>of the idea of a "men's movement" from Bly's work to "Iron John",
>to Bill Moyer's, to "wild man" retreats, to magazine stories and
>on into pop televsion shows.  The last sentence reads, "In the
>fall of '91, the movement pops up on 'Murphy Brown' and 'Star
>Trek--The Next Generation.'"

Let me emerge from Trek lurkerhood to venture a guess that they just
may be referring to "Darmok." 


The Tamarian captain can't communicate with Picard by any normal means, 
so he decides to do it via your basic male-bonding ritual, mythologically-
inspired combat with a common enemy and the swapping of heroic tales.

It was my favorite episode of the season, but I caught a whiff of the not
unconnected Robert Bly / Joseph Campbell fads in it.
-- 
Matt McIrvin, posting nonsense again
From: 00rbspelman@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Possible mistake in Realm of Fear  (maybe som
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:25:19 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current

In article <1992Oct5.140508.1689@nmsu.edu>, mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen) writes:
> I watched the episode again last night.  I was right!  They showed the
> container pieced together on the table, then after Geordi told Barcley
> to take some time off, they showed it again, in the background, in
> pieces.  
> 
> The only way this could not be a production error is if they had to
> disassemble the container again for some reason.  But they didn't
> explain it.  
> 
> The only reason I even mention this error is that when I saw the
> container in pieces again, I thought it might have something to do
> with the plot.

I seem to remember they were discussing beaming out a container of their own,
to recreate what happened on the other ship.  Though it did look to me as
though it were an error, it is possible that it was another container shown.
Does anyone remember if the placement of the shattered and the whole 
container were the same, or at least remotely close?
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG movie ???
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:40:42 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <92279.094056CH8305A@auvm.american.edu> CH8305A@auvm.american.edu (Charles Hessenius) writes:
>     Riker, if promoted, would choose Worf as his first officer.  Remember
>that he did so, with apologies to Data, when he captained a ship in
>a wargames exercise with the Enterprise.

Didn't Picard say something like `You can have anyone except Data, who will
be my Number One' ?

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

                  "Who is Number One?" - Number Six.
                     "Will Riker, of course!" - Me
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From: tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn)
Subject: Re: TIME'S ARROW II **SPOILERS**
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:21:09 GMT

I guess I really missed the mark on this one.  After reading MANY
of the posts regarding this episode, it looks like I must be the
only one who believes the Enterprise et al destroyed the aliens'
means of transportation back and forth through time to earth--not 
necessarily the aliens themselves.  Also, did I miss a statement to
the effect that the aliens only source of nutrition was the human
soul (if you will).  Maybe the humans were preferred or convenient
at the time/place.   I'm just not yet ready to condemn our troup
for "wiping out the aliens" but I am willing to admit I might have
missed something.  Please advise.

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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear"
Originator: rhballan@c00506-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:37:54 GMT


Forgive me for my ignorance, but, who is Timothy Lynch?

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