From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:02:15 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner) writes:

> Well, if people have been harrassing you as you say, then yes, I'd
> do something about it.  I would want proof that these events had
> occured, and that they were caused by this particular thred.

I think the direct statement 'keep it to yourself you #!$%#$%^ and
keep it off of soc.motss or die you #$@%^$' is pretty telling and
direct - don't you?

> Now, Daniel, reread what I wrote - if I know someone is a bigot,
> and works to harm other (let's say I knew you were in favor of
> denying gay teachers their right to teach), then I wouldn't buy
> services from that person.

I do not think that speaking the truth is 'working to harm'
others.. As for gay teachers..? - I could care less as long
as they are not preaching gay ethics to my child.. Do that
and get sued.

> Well, you haven't shut anyone up here.

That is because I do not care to. Why? I really do believe in
free speech.. For EVERYONE. 

> What 'hit squad'?  Do you or do you not favor civil rights for gay
> people?  If not, then you can certainly be called a bigot.

Favor 'civil rights'....? If you mean they have equal rights with
mine... Sure! - Nothing wrong with that at all!!! - If you mean
they get MORE rights to protection, services, access to public or
private resources etc.. Or if you mean that gays get any special
treatment in employment or education related areas... Absolutely
NOT. 

> The 'fucking USSR'?  I didn't know nations copulated.  What
> garbage in the 50's are you talking about?  Are you seriously
> trying to equate gay activism with McCarthyism?  If so, you'd
> better go read your history.  I don't see anyone losing jobs,
> being blacklisted, or committing suicide because of gay activism
> or gay newsgroups.

I think you know what I mean.. It is very one sided around here.
Most valid viewpoints are not afraid of opposition... Speak out
as I do and risk all kinds of 'fun' and games regarding your
network access, newsfeed, sysadm.. I have had a few dozen neat
little letters come in here to the postmaster demanding that I
be 'reprimanded' or 'disciplined' - complete with creatively
edited postings as 'evidence'.......

Good thing my job description includes managing this system. :)

> As well they should be.  But what if the interviewee said, "Mr. Karns,
> I must tell you that I am gay, and while I am here to work, I'm also
> out to everyone around me."  How would that make you feel?

In the position of an interviewer.. I'd probably tell him/her
that it was not an issue.. In a personal conversation.. I'd
tell him/her that perhaps nobody CARED who or what they liked
to screw. Most people do not introduce themselves and say.. 
'BTW.. I screw women'...

Makes for a weird relationship. ;)

-djk

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