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Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Gemstone File
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:31:33 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

[ Article crossposted from alt.conspiracy ]
[ Author was  ]
[ Posted on 14 Sep 92 11:01:17 GMT ]

This is a repeat post of my request for a copy of `The Gemstone File', which
claims that Big Business/The Mafia/(and friends) are running the world.

I've got a copy of `The Opal File' (NZ section of Gemstone), which I'll post
here if anyone's interested... Or I can mail it. 

So, if anyone's got Gemstone, please mail me or post it here.

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P.S. Thanks to the person who said `try Nexus' - I'm trying to track down a
copy.
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: New Woodcock Book, reviews?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:45:56 GMT

I notice that George Woodcock has a new book *Anarchy and Anarchists* out.
Has anyone scoped it out?  How much overlap with *Anarchism* or his other
history of Anarchism books is there.  Just got only so much cash you know.

Glad to see this group appear, Take it easy, but take it all
X337338

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Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Subject: Re: How @ at U?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:22:06 GMT

>Article 47 in alt.society.anarchy:
>From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
 
>>   If someone comes up to you on the street, puts a knife to your neck
>>   and asks for money, ...
>He is, in his little way, taking the first step toward anarchy.
 
And a big step AWAY from freedom.
 
>(OK, maybe you don't like my ideology.  Then answer the critical
>question:  In a real anarchist system, who gets to use violence?
>Somebody has to, since it will be needed to suppress serious crazies
>and criminals.)
 
Somebody HAS to use violence?  Why because you might get killed
by one of the many homicidal maniacs out there?   Just as I figured,
you value your own ass more than you do freedom.  Give you liberty
or give you death?  Nah, just save your own ass.
 
Earlier I asserted that the Anarchy movement is selfish, moronic,
and one of the greatest obstacles to freedom.  Anyone else out there
who wants to support my contention?
 
Glenn                              glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:36:23 GMT

Hmmm, I suppose that we are going to start seeing a lot of requests for 
the purity test, binary sound files and GIFs here. Always sure-fire 
things guaranteed to bring anarchy to a newsgroup.

Followups of "send them to me too!" are encouraged.

;)

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.cascade,alt.non.sequitur
From: Nomad
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
Organization: Garden branch
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.083156.17203@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes:
|> In article <gunnarh.99.716452437@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep12.015816.28857@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
|> >>From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
|> >>Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
|> >>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:58:16 GMT
|> >>In article <1992Sep11.235439.1323@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
|> >>>At long last a newsgroup dedicated to Anarchy!
|> >>>
|> >[Original letter deleted]
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>Oh, I see.  This is why cats have sandpaper tongues.
|> >So, you see. That is why nerds have lawnmower songs.
|> Slow you pee! That is why birds have sunflower tongs.
Flow your wee! Fat is why turds have brown paper lungs.
From: god@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Questions
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:15:22 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

There's an anarchist paper in Missouri?  More information please.
And, also, I'll bite, how is the University of Iowa censoring your
usenet usage?
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Subject: Anarchy and marxism
Originator: d89-sme@fekete.nada.kth.se
Reply-To: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:19:22 GMT

Hi,

I would be interested in an anarchist's opinion about marxism,
both the philosophy and the economic theories.

One point, where a marxist and a anarchist don't agree, would
be on how the road to the anarchist/communist society looks
like.

I have always thought that a communist/marxist and an anarchist 
have the same goal, the state-less and class-less society.

Am I right? Any opinions?

Staffan

(d89-sme@nada.kth.se)
From: elascurn@daimi.aau.dk (Lars R{der Clausen)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:41:13 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

mechalas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Mechalas) writes:

>alt.society.anarchy ????

>Aren't those last two words a contradiction in terms?

Not really, only as long as people behave as they do now. Anarchy is not
just everybody shooting at each other, it can be (but not yet, I'm afraid)
a society with noone giving orders to anyone, yet there are always someone
that do the jobs that need to be done. But as I say, so far it is utopia.
I regard it as the society-type after communism, which as we can see we
are not even ready for yet.


Yours, Lars Clausen
--
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Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Subject: How @ at U?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:00:32 GMT

     Buttlickers. Yes, we are buttlickers, not anarchists.
     Or, can we be anarchists & be part of such institutions as
     universities? Dubious.
     Anarchy, no rule, no control = no repressive tought control
                                  = only school of the free mind
                                  = university not.
     So, how can we be anarchists whilsts we are buttlickers of
     the system, of our profs, of the cops, of our committee members,
     of any figure of authority? How can we be anarchists in the
     university?

     H.

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: thant@void.esd.sgi.com (Thant Tessman)
Subject: Re: Anarchy - Iceland?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:35:09 GMT


In article <1992Sep12.183024.13130@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI writes:

[...]

> Iceland was an anarchy (the only successful one I know of in history)
> from the ninth to the thirteenth century.  

Rose Wilder Lane in her book, um, ... I can't remember what it's called.
"Discovery of Freedom" or something like that.  Anyway, she describes
the Saracens (sp?) as fairly unauthoritarian, relatively speaking.  And 
they were the height of civilisation for their time.

Be warned, here motivation against the authority of man is that it is
an offense to the authority of God and Jesus Christ.  But it's a good
book anyway.

thant

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin)
Subject: Re: Anarchy and marxism
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:37:37 GMT

Thanks for your interesting opinions!

daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum) writes:

|> d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin) writes:
|> 
|> >I would be interested in an anarchist's opinion about marxism,
|> >both the philosophy and the economic theories.
|> 
|>

Interesting opinions deleted...

|> 
|> 	B) Marx frequently critcized enforced morality in society, yet 
|> the communist society he declares to be the ultimate product of 
|> history is completely moral, dictating certain ethical values from above.

This I don't understand. How can a communist society be dictating
values *from above* ?

/Staffan
(d89-sme@nada.kth.se)

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.cascade,alt.non.sequitur
From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:58:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.235439.1323@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>At long last a newsgroup dedicated to Anarchy!
>
>Probably the majority of political opinions which appear in USENET along
>"Libertarian" (Propertarian) or Laissez-Faire Capitalist lines, which sometimes
>refers to itself as "Anarchism".
>
>It would be interesting to see some discussion of the much older, sort of
>"left" aligned anarchism along the lines of Mike Bakunin, Ben Tucker,
>Emma Goldman etc. etc. etc.  Also contemporary publications like
>"Fifth Estate" in Detroit or the "Journal of Desire Armed" in Missouri.
>
>  ______
> /  /\  \    "Satire which the censor understands deserves to be banned"
>|  /--\  |
> \/____\/    -Karl Kraus



Oh, I see.  This is why cats have sandpaper tongues.

Thanks a bunch,
M
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.cascade,alt.non.sequitur
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:06:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <gunnarh.99.716452437@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.015816.28857@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>>Oh, I see.  This is why cats have sandpaper tongues.
>So, you see. That is why nerds have lawnmower songs.
Ah, the sea.  That is why fireplaces have tongs.
>
>>Thanks a bunch,
>Sounds like *crunch*
I need lunch.
>>M
>G
V

Hmmm. A triple cascade...
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:41:42 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: mechalas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu's message of 12 Sep 92 14:28:22 GMT

In article <BuGyvB.Kpq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mechalas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Mechalas) writes:
>alt.society.anarchy ????
>
>Aren't those last two words a contradiction in terms?

   No.

   Anarchy and chaos are two entirely different things. 

Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-disob
From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Sweedish laws on Military Attire.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:56:35 GMT

I saw some news piece on the local wanting to ban replica guns.
Bus drivers have been "shot" by kids with legal lookalikes that
use blanks.  Anyway, the last soundbits was about how Sweeden had 
banned anything to do with the military, some thing or other.  I've
heard some countries have laws against wearing fatigues in public.
What is the law in Sweden WRT wearing fatigues &c.  Do I have to
trash my army pants when I move there?
-P.

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Behavioural Ecology Research Group |"Yeah, well delete it."                 |
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Burnaby B.C. V5A 1S6 Canada        |"Well, how will you know what it means?"|
Xref: sparky alt.society.civil-disob:105 talk.politics.guns:20623
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-disob,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Sweedish laws on Military Attire.
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:33:26 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) wrote in alt.society.civil-disob:
> I saw some news piece on the local wanting to ban replica guns.
> Bus drivers have been "shot" by kids with legal lookalikes that
> use blanks.  Anyway, the last soundbits was about how Sweeden had 
> banned anything to do with the military, some thing or other.  I've
> heard some countries have laws against wearing fatigues in public.
> What is the law in Sweden WRT wearing fatigues &c.  Do I have to
> trash my army pants when I move there?

If you'd been on the net for longer than a month, you'd know what happens
when you post stuff like this to any newsgroup whose distribution includes
the USA.  You'd also know that there's a whole newsgroup entirely devoted
to that issue alone, and that anyone who's really interested will look there
for discussions on the topic.

So followups are directed there.

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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-disob
From: twod@socrates.demon.co.uk (Ian Parkin)
Subject: Radar detectors
Distribution: world
Organization: Twod's Software Factory
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:52:46 +0000

--
Ian Parkin, twod@socrates.demon.co.uk

Could anyone advise me to the legal status of these in the UK - i.e. what
happens if you get caught with one ?

Also are they worth the money ( prices seem to vary from 100 -> 300 sterling
for an "average" model, I've heard lots of conflicting stories. How are they 
affected by buildings, and other surroundings ? And what range can you
realistically expect ?

Are US models OK for UK use - Are the radar frequencies the same ?

Cheers & avoid road pizza wherever possible

IAP
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.society.revolution
Subject: Cyclers reclaim US streets!
Date: 13 Sep 1992 04:18:04 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

Automotive corporate imperialists have waged a war against public & pedestrian
transport for over a century, turning the US into a nation of deficient
sidewalks, highway shooting galleries, and sacks of fat gladly enslaving   
themselves to heart disease, serving an industry of artificial medicine & 
excercise.  We need to consolidate power & storm the highways of every major
highway, once and for all reclaiming US cities as places by and for the
human body, not machines.

Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: U.S. Bill of Rights today (was alt.activism et al: Who's free'er)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.032310.18048@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>[followups directed to alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution]

Too bad you didn't leave the _original_ there.

SOC.CULTURE.USA IS NOT A POLITICS GROUP.  PLEASE DO NOT POST POLITICS ARTICLES
THERE.  THANK YOU.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs)
Subject: Re: U.S. Bill of Rights today (was alt.activism et al: Who's free'er)
Organization: Mr. Potatoe Head and and His Subjects
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:55:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.155543.22734@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
]>A thought just occurred to me:  If the above is true, could the RICO
]>laws be used to hoist the government by its own petard?  In other words,
]>could RICO be used to charge George Bush with heading up an organization
]>that makes and distributes child porn?  That would be an interesting case!

]Bush couldn't be (that would require impeachment), but the Postal Service
]could certainly be charged. But don't wait for this to happen: I really
]doubt any government agency would every charge another with a crime...

One of the often-forgotten aspects of the Common Law systems is that
a grand jury has the power to investigate crimes and bring indictments,
regardless of whether the prosecutor asks them to or not.  Once
they're called, they're called, and they can cause all sorts of havoc
if they've got the guts to do it, just as petit juries can find people
innocent whether the judge likes it or not.  Of course, once you've
got an indictment, you've then got to have a prosecutor or equivalent
do a reasonably credible job of prosecuting - I don't know if there's
a way to force that, other than by getting a Special Prosecutor appointed,
but the mere act of indicting government officials and informing the
press about it can have major political leverage even of you don't get
a conviction.
-- 

				Pray for peace;      Bill
#Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.ho.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ
# Any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced ...
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution,misc.int-property
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: US Freedom of Religion today (was: U.S. Bill of Rights today)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:43:22 GMT

In article <f7DY02f921jg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>> >	Peyote use among the Native Americans: Banned.
>The "ban" (the issue was whether an employee fired for religious use of 
>peyote may be denied unemployment benefits) was overturned by the Oregon 
>Supreme Court, and reinstated by the US Supreme Court, in Employment Division 
>of Oregon Department of Human Resources v. Smith, 110 S.Ct. 1595 (1990).

Freedom of religion wasn't the decisive issue in this case, as I recall:
The man's job was connected with a state drug rehabilitation program, and
he was fired, not because of government objections to his religious
practices, but because of job qualifiactions: The state felt that
anyone who used drugs (legally or not) was not qualified to work in
that field. 

                                                        Frank Crary
                                                        CU Boulder

Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.religion.misc,uiuc.civil-liberty
From: paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune on "Religious Freedom Restoration Act"
Reply-To: Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:37:35 GMT

bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

>kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>Our current Supreme Court has decided that the 1st Amendment does not
>>protect religious folk from laws that serve no compelling state interest.
>
>And it has to, in a way, or else people would abuse 'religious
>freedom'.  "But I had to skip my parole meeting!  God suddenly
>appeared to me and told me I had to immediately perform spiritual
>cleansing!" or "But I had to keep this cocaine in my jacket pocket,
>just in case an evil minion of Satan appeared and needed salvation!"

Before the Oregon case the standard WAS a compelling state interest.
I don't recall those things happening (or withstanding court scrutiny)
during that time.

/pbp
-- 
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the right of the People to keep and read Books shall not be infringed."
	-- J. Neil Schulman
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.religion.misc,uiuc.civil-liberty
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune on "Religious Freedom Restoration Act"
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 04:18:03 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) wrote (in article <1992Sep15.005116.3654@m.cs.uiuc.edu>):
>jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:
>>Unless the 1st Amendment has
>>been repealed, why would we need a "religious freedom bill?"
>
>Our current Supreme Court has decided that the 1st Amendment does not
>protect religious folk from laws that serve no compelling state
>interest.

And it has to, in a way, or else people would abuse 'religious
freedom'.  "But I had to skip my parole meeting!  God suddenly
appeared to me and told me I had to immediately perform spiritual
cleansing!" or "But I had to keep this cocaine in my jacket pocket,
just in case an evil minion of Satan appeared and needed salvation!"

     << Brian >>

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