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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: If Perot is wanting to improve the US economy...
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:30:20 GMT

...then why are his campaign t-shirts made in Venezuela?

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From: streb@ee.rochester.edu (Chuck S.)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:37:01 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

>Again I will ask how much of the VP's job is debate?  How much of a
>Presidents job is debate?  None except in an election year.
>
>Doug
Doug , and I ask You who Is the Chairman of the Senate?

Chuck


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From: streb@ee.rochester.edu (Chuck S.)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: December Surprise
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:49:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

The front page of the business section of the Oct. 4 "Washington Post"
carried an in depth article describing a new banking crisis ready to
spill after the election.  The press had dubbed this "the December surprise".
According to the article, one out of four US commercial banks is currently
bankrupt according to federal law despite the recent lowering of the liquid
holding requirement from 6% to 2%.  This is NOT the continuation of the
Savings and Loan crisis.  These are commercial banks.  The article projects
a minimum of another quarter trillion dollars for this new fiasco.
FDIC is currently 6 billion overdrawn (since April 91)  and another
60 some billion will soon need to be allocated to clean up the S&L thing.

The article reports that this new bank crisis is being handled much the same
as was first.  Congress and the political parties have agreed to put this
issue off until after the election.  Surprise!  Further reported, the media
believes that this issue is too complex for the American public to grasp.

Why is the wider media not reporting this?
Why have neither of the parties addressed this?
Why has Ross Perot not addressed this?

Scott von Feldt
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Rochester, NY   14618
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From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: VOTE FOR ONE OF THE THREE CANDIDATES PARTICIPATING IN DEBATE B-4 DEBATE!!
Date: 11 Oct 1992 06:07:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


HELL NO!  The debates will not be legitimate unless they include
ALL FOUR nationwide candidates!
 
This really sucks!
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki)
Subject: Re: I SUPPORT PEROT, but HE DOESN'T GO FAR ENUF, _NO ONE DOES_
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:32:58 GMT

In article <VGMRBSQS@cc.swarthmore.edu> mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:
>In article <BvrDnr.8Aq@csn.org>, kenw@teal.csn.org (Ken Waletzki) writes:
>> 
>
>> 
>>       Over 500 people were killed in the months of July and August in the
>>       streets of L.A. for gang violence.  I think this kind of human
>>       tragedy is MORE important to our survival than what goes on elseware
>>       in the world.  We need to clean up our own house, before we can
>>       tell someone else how to take care of their business.
>> 
>
>I agree that this is a serious problem.  Just what is our favorite Texas
>billionaire Ross Perot going to do about the racial/social problems we have
>in this country?  All I hear is a plan about the budget deficit.  

   If you ain't got the money, you can't pay for anything.  This problem MUST
be solved first!  If it is not, none of the other problems can be seriously
addressed.  Education must follow.
>
>> WE NEED A REVOLUTION IN THIS COUNTRY.
>
>And Perot is for real revolution?  Come on!

No Perot is not for a REAL REVOLUTION.  But since the people in this
country are not ready for a real revolution, we need to do the next best
thing.  Bring someone in to take care of problems.  I believe in Perot, he
has convinced me well before February 92 when Larry King asked him to 
get in the race.  I have been a Perot fan and wanted him to run for president
years ago -- in Government were run a little more like a business, we
wouldn't be in the mess we're in.  And remember a line from the debate
last nite:

   ``No, I don't have the experience in running up a 4 trillion dollar
     deficit.''



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303-494-8953, email kenw@csn.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye)
Subject: Re: Debate Qualifications
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:54:55 GMT

kauffman@slab.unt.edu (DON KAUFFMAN) writes:

>I was wondering how many ballots in the 50 states
>these other candidates are on.

Only Bush/Quayle, Clinton/Gore, Marrou/Lord, and Perot/Stockdale are on
the ballot in all 50 states.  I *believe* another candidate has about
40 and the rest hover at 20 or less.
From: f435@cs.utexas.edu (Fall Class Account)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot won the debate!!!!
Followup-To: alt.politics.perot
Date: 11 Oct 1992 23:42:24 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: kalahari.cs.utexas.edu

Perot seemed to be the only one who refrained from making direct personal
attacks on the other candidates.  Bush and Clinton seemed to be more
concerned about who could one-up the other in allegations which didn't have
much to do with the issues.  I was quite impressed also by the fact that Perot
didn't even call attention to the fact that the other two were wasting debate
time so foolishly.

My favorite line of Perot's: Sure, I don't have much experience... in running
                             up a four trillion dollar debt! <crowd gasps>

Peeve: Why did they bother to ask the questions about family values and the
       war on drugs?  They knew what the candidates would say beforehand, and
       it would have been political suicide for them to answer any differently.

                     -Wade

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: russell@resmith.b17d.ingr.com (Russell Smith)
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Reply-To: russell@res.b15.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.121510.26724@kodak.kodak.com>, bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant) writes:

|> I don`t think that my personal abilities as a speaker are relevent,

You're correct. You're personal abilities as a speaker are not relevant, nor
are your opinions of Admiral Stockdale's abilities as a speaker. We all *know*
that he didn't perform well during the debate, but that does not logically
lead to your statement (from a previous post) "... [he] is clearly uncapable
of effective verbal communication."

Also from your previous post:
|> What does his students think...?

Does this mean that you are clearly uncapable of effective written
communication? By your standards, the answer would be "Yes!!"

|> but I believe that I could have articulated my positions better than
|> Adm. Stockdale. 

When was the last time you were on national televison? Blinding lights,
cameras, microphones, millions of people watching... Face it, you'd be
offstage cleaning out your boxers. :-)

To quote Quayle... Lighten up Steve.

We now return to the thread, "Is Perot serious?"
From: bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:03:54 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Oct15.153232.12428@infonode.ingr.com>, russell@resmith.b17d.ingr.com (Russell Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.121510.26724@kodak.kodak.com>, bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant) writes:
>
>|> I don`t think that my personal abilities as a speaker are relevent,
>
>You're correct. You're personal abilities as a speaker are not relevant, nor
>are your opinions of Admiral Stockdale's abilities as a speaker.

My opinions of Adm. Stockdale's opinions are not relevent? They may not be acurate, but not relevent?  From Webster's Dictionary "Relevent - bearing
upon or applying to...".  I guess Adm. Stockdale is not the only one who is
incapable coherent thought.

>We all *know*
>that he didn't perform well during the debate, but that does not logically
>lead to your statement (from a previous post) "... [he] is clearly uncapable
>of effective verbal communication."

I will agree that I only have a single public performance
to judge Adm. Stockdale by and that the "clearly" part is overstating 
the case. But restated, based on what I saw and heard, I do not believe 
that Adm. Stockdale is an effective speaker or communicator.


>|> What does his students think...?
>
>Does this mean that you are clearly uncapable of effective written
>communication? By your standards, the answer would be "Yes!!"

???? I don`t understand your response. I am simply asking an honest
question. Universities are widely connected to the Internet and I was
wondering if any of his students (If he in fact has any)were following
this thread and had an opinion.


>|> but I believe that I could have articulated my positions better than
>|> Adm. Stockdale. 
>
>When was the last time you were on national televison? Blinding lights,
>cameras, microphones, millions of people watching... Face it, you'd be
>offstage cleaning out your boxers. :-)

You are resulting to Quayle like attacks on my character. I don't mind, 
I just want anyone else following this thread to recognize your 
attack for what it is. I was merely expresing an opinion on my speaking
ability for which I have some basis for judgement (biased I'll grant you.)
Your opinion of my speaking ability has no basis at all.
>
>To quote Quayle... Lighten up Steve.

Well, if your going to quote Quayle.....
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: December Surprise
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 02:50:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct17.014935.5811@ee.rochester.edu> streb@ee.rochester.edu (Chuck S.) writes:

>Why have neither of the parties addressed this?
>Why has Ross Perot not addressed this?

The Democratic and Republican parties reticence I understand.
But Ross Perot's complicity in the cover-up should make us curious
about his true agenda. I'd trust Perot a lot more if he'd open the
next Presidential debate by educating the American public about this
imminent jolt to the national debt. 

-- Brad Pierce --

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: December Surprise
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:13:58 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Oct17.014935.5811@ee.rochester.edu> streb@ee.rochester.edu (Chuck S.) writes:

>>Why has Ross Perot not addressed this?

>But Ross Perot's complicity in the cover-up should make us curious
>about his true agenda. I'd trust Perot a lot more if he'd open the
>next Presidential debate by educating the American public about this
>imminent jolt to the national debt. 

Maybe I watched a different debate last night...could have happened, I was 
drinking beer at the time (Samuel Adams, in case you are interested).  But 
didn't I hear Ross address the banking crisis that will be given to the American
people AFTER the election?  And didn't he say something to the effect that 
neither "party" wants to talk about it??

Maybe I was seeing Jesus at the time, but I thought I heard this.
Anybody wish to correct me?

Mark
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jhays@boi.hp.com (John_D. Hays)
Subject: Re: PEROT TV SPOTS (16/17 OCT)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:02:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division
Keywords: perot

In article <Bw2E8I.4IE@news.larc.nasa.gov> rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Rowland) writes:
>The next TV spots for Perot will be 
>
>Friday, 16 October  (1/2 hour)
>
>Saturday, 17 October (FULL hour)
>
>Mike Rowland
>
>
>Mike Rowland, Aerosol Research Branch, MS 475
>NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA 23681
>internet: rowland@zorba7.larc.nasa.gov

We need times!

John
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye)
Subject: Sound Byte Politics
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:03:23 GMT

For all those who were constantly complain that while Perot knows 
how to IDENTIFY problems, he never offers any SOLUTIONS, I HOPE you 
watched the second Presidential debate.

In the middle of GIVING A SOLUTION to a problem expressed by an
audience member, Perot was told that no, you're out of time.  Sorry,
if you can't state your solution to a VASTLY COMPLEX problem in 
90 seconds or less, tough luck.  

Fine.

This is exactly why Perot is purchasing (with his own money) half-hour
blocks of Prime Time on network tv to inform you of his solutions.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Is Perot serious?
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:50:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.163701.25548@ee.rochester.edu>, streb@ee.rochester.edu (Chuck S.) writes:
|> >Again I will ask how much of the VP's job is debate?  How much of a
|> >Presidents job is debate?  None except in an election year.
|> >
|> >Doug
|> Doug , and I ask You who Is the Chairman of the Senate?
|> 
|> Chuck

Chuck, and I ask you what are the Chaiman of the Senate's duties.  He
doesn't get to do anything except open and close the session and break a
tie vote.

Doug
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: NBC misrepresents reality
Keywords: media bias
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:30:33 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


I'd just like to make a comment about something I saw this morning
on the Today show. Last night a young woman asked the question
``How has the national debt affected you personally?'' to George
Bush. Bush said that it affects everyone, and was confused (apparently)
about the question and asked for an elaboration. The woman went on
to talk about _personal_ debt (still under the guise of a question
on the national debt). It is clear that she had difficulty
distinguishing national debt from personal debt. Bush then repeated
his statement that it affects us all. 

Now, perhaps Bush could have done a better job at answering the 
question. But what happened was that on the ``Today'' show it was 
reported that Bush couldn't answer a question about the effects
of the _recession_ on the American people (ostensibly since he
wouldn't be affected personally by it). This was a blatent 
misrepresentation of what happened which could hurt Bush very badly. 
FOUL!


Gregg

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If you think the Republicans screwed up the country, can you afford to
see what the Democrats will do?!   ->BEWARE OF SLICK-WILLY CLINTON!!<-
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:39:41 EDT
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: New impressions of Adm Stockdale
 <1992Oct15.202130.6628@kodak.kodak.com>

I'm much more concerned about Stockdale's association with the Rockford
Institute than I am about whether or not he wears a hearing aid.  Paula
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From: kauffman@slab.unt.edu (DON KAUFFMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Debate Qualifications
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:46:51 GMT
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT

(Dave Sill) writes:
>I agree with most everything Mr. Pye said, but would like to make a couple
>comments.
>
>In article <1992Oct15.034634.3426@netcom.com>, mpye@netcom.com (Michael Pye) writes:
>>
>>In most Presidential elections, people complain about having to 
>>choose the lesser of two evils. Well, this year at least there is a 
>>third choice,
>
>It's been a *long* time since there weren't at three choices.  Unfortunately,
>people seem unable to even consider a candidate outside the political
>establishment--the McCandidates proposed by the two major parties.  Perot's
>big contribution to this race is that his incredible personal wealth makes
>him impossible to ignore.
>
>If our only lesson learned from this experience is that Republicans,
>Democrats, and billionaires can run for president, we will have learned much
>less than we could have.
>
>All "third" parties are not populated by communists and extremists.
>
>>In the final analysis, I'd rather have two honest men, who have 
>>little to gain other than the satisfaction of having done the right 
>>thing, working night and day on solving the problems of this country 
>>from a fresh perspective, than putting two old-guard politicians back 
>>in the White House that are still more interested in rhetoric than 
>>solutions.
>Everything you said there applies equally well to Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord.
>
>-- 
>Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
>Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
>Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham

I was wondering how many ballots in the 50 states
these other candidates are on.

Also, is that some sort of qualification for
appearing in the debates?

Thanks
From: walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Re: Perot's Pick-a-Plan Plan
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:57:11 GMT

In article <009622CA.F61F8F40@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
|> 
|> Mr. Perot does not seem to realize that there are voters who not only care
|> WHAT gets does, but also HOW it gets done.  His continual response of 
|> "Just pick a plan, any plan and do it" does not allow voters to express any
|> ideological basis for their choice.  He should realize that people are 
|> interested in the means, not just the ends.
|> 
|> If he believes spending cuts are necessary, does he have any preference as
|> to what cuts should go first?  Defense? Social programs?  If so, which ones?
|> HOW does he want to control medical costs?  Cutting back on Medicare?
|> Federally regulated medical fees?  Does he still think SS payments should be
|> eliminated for anyone making over $65,000?  
|> 
|> Please don't just tell me to read his book.  If he is holding out on the details
|> for some reason, i.e., wants to get people to buy his book or tune in tonight,
|> he did the viewing public a disservice last night.
|> 

That was the one thing that I did not like about the format last night.
I would have been impossible to go into specifics in any real way during
the 2-3 minutes they were given to answer.

Read the book or watch tonight and tomorrow.  He is not trying to get
people to buy his book.  It is available in this newsgroup.  If you
cannot find it I or many others will be glad to email it to you.

Doug

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: Next 30-min. Perot / FAX #
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:51:29 GMT

CORRECTIONS (THANX ROBERT)


In article <1992Oct13.175354.22808@sunova.ssc.gov>, rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'leary) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct12.180303.1222@rational.com>, msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller) writes:
|> |> Does anyone know when the next 30-minute Perot presentation is going
|> |> to be?
|> |> 
|> |> This is one thing I wish he'd do better - put on some 30-second spots
|> |> telling when the 30-minute one is.
|> |> 
|> |> While I'm asking questions ...
|> |> 
|> |> Anyone know the Fax number for Perot's campaign HQ?
|> |> 
|> |> 	-MSM
|> |> 
|> |> ________________________________________________________________________
|> |> Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
|> |> "Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
|> |> [ insert tedious disclaimer drivel here ]                           IV-Q
|> 
|> FAX number @ H.Q. (214) 716-6552
|> 
|> Fri. Oct. 16 8:30pm - 9:00pm EST on NBC
                                EDT
|> 
|> Sat. Oct. 17 6:00pm - 8:00pm EST on ABC ( Yes one hour time slot )
                         7:00   EDT
|> 
|> Your welcome,
|> 
|> Rocko

ROCKO
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: walker@superman.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: The real scoop on the DEBT
Followup-To: alt.politics.perot
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:18:16 GMT

Evidently most people have not been paying attention.  So here we go.

Debt:     4,000,000,000,000+
Interest:   300,000,000,000

Most of this debt comes due in the next five years.  We will not be
paying it off so we will be refinancing it at whatever interest rate we
can get.  I would imagine most of this debt is financed at 5-6%.  I
interest rates go up to 12-15% then the interest on the debt will be
600,000,000,000 - 900,000,000,000.  What will we be able to afford then?

WAKE UP AMERICA!

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot