From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: The March in D.C.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:29:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.050142.16637@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) says:
> 
> >In article <1992Apr16.015353.7074@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
> >
> >Wish I were eighteen and knew everything, including how people
> >would behave if I did something which I am not going to do because
> >I don't have to because I am eighteen and know how everybody
> >would react anyway so what's the point?
> >
> >And I wish all the world revolved around me like it does around
> >Matthew, and I knew that if I didn't accomplish something then
> >nobody else is accomplishing anything either.
> >
> >And since you know how everyone will behave, you certainly
> >wouldn't want to even consider changing.  Oh, those wicked,
> >unspecified some people.
> >
> >For instance, please show me to be a hypocrite as you claimed
> >everyone is a hypocrite.
> 
> see my point......in the past five days I've proven how easy it is
> to get NOTHING accomplished in this group when it comes to serious
> discussion. Yet you still desire to continue a foolish net.vendetta
> to prove some point about you manliness, debating ability, or your
> best bad words to call other people names. If you are SO for
> rational discussion, why do you provoke people? Sure....people
> provoke you......but when they stop you continue. Some people
> (not me in this case) would see this as a little hypocritical
> on your part.

This is silly nonsense on your part, Matt.  I have been pretty
polite with you, with the exception of a bit of sarcasm about
how you seem to believe you have all the answers.  Please
show me one posting in which I called you a name.

If you post something here and I challenge it, then you must
either defend your remarks, retract your statement, or drop the
discussion, or some other choice if you can think of one.
But this stuff of yours is just whining.  I have nothing to prove
here.  But when I see something that is just plain wrong, in
my opinion, and challenge it, that's not a vendetta.  There
really is nothing personal in this.  I'm just trying to draw
you out and see if your arguments have any value at all.
So far I have been unable to discern any value in them.  For
someone who has posted how all ideas and assumptions need to be
examined and defended, you don't seem to appreciate the service
I provide you.

> BTW, proof of hypocracy:
> 
> you're human.......hence, you've been a hypocrite in the past and
> you'll be a hypocrite in the future.

This is about as poor a proof as I've seen in a long time.
You have just added another unsubstantiated assertion to
your first.  There's nothing to this proof of yours except
your assumption that if one is human, one is a hypocrite,
which is no more than  a restatement of your original
assertion.

Now you ought to be thanking me, if what you wrote about defending
logic and assumptions is to be believed, for pointing out the
flaws in your proof and giving you the opportunity to
defend or abandon this generalization of yours.

> It's all a matter of timing.....which is something I NEVER claimed
> to know in your case.

And this is vague enough to be nonsense.  What does timing have to
do with anything.  You've called me a hypocrite, which is
generally viewed as a pejorative term, based on the fact that
I am human.  Who is calling who names?  And what is your
proof that all humans are hypocrites at one time or another?
If not proof, then provide some form of logical support or
substantiation for this claim of yours, which I characterize as
a ridiculous generalization until such time as you substantiate it.

Dean Kaflowitz

> Now back to productive discussion please. I've posted 2 fairly
> thoughtful posts. Maybe you missed them. I haven't read any 
> caustic post concerning myself yet.

Must have missed them.

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