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From: wilcox@acuson.com (Steve Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: a new Creakondale
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:48:31 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher L. Morrow) writes:


>Excerpts from netnews.rec.bicycles: 24-Aug-92 a new Creakondale R.
>Wagner@uxa.cso.uiuc.e (610)


>> I've had my 'Dale MTB for over a year now (it replaced a stolen MTB) and just
>> last week put a sealed cartridge BB in it.  Low and behold it now creaks.
>> It isn't just under pressure, it creaks all the time (on road, up hill, single
>> track) unless I'm not pedalling.  Before, when this subject came up, I
>> basically
>> ignored it because I didn't have that problem.  Now that it's hit home, can
>> somebody send me the solution/prevention or as close as current technology can
>> get.  Thanks.


>> Ride on, 
>> Raydude.

(stuff deleted)

>I think that the sealed cartridge bottom brackets creak (you do have a
>Shitmano one right??) because the non drive side crank is plastic, no
>matter what shitmano says, the plastic will deform under load and this
>deformity will allow the BB cartridge to shift in the cups, causeing the
>creaking.  I suggest that you either locktite the cup to the cartridsge
>or epoxy it.  the cartidge will still be able to be removed if you
>unscrew it because the aluminum cup will come loose from the body of the
>BB.  I hope this helps,!!

I believe the above paragraph sums it up.  I also had the problem with
a shi-mano bb, in a non-dale frame.  I replaced it with a non-shimano
(Synchros) bottom bracket, and NO CREAKS!!! None at all.  all gone. Peace
and quiet.  I believe folks here on the net reported the problem with
the UN-70 bb, I had a UN-50 which is about the same.

>DEATH TO CREAKONDALE!!!
No, better yet, DEATH TO SHIMANO UN-X0 serries bottom brackets with plastic
cups.  

>Chris Morrow

Stephen Wilcox
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From: gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Keywords: flickstand
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:22:43 GMT

In article <Dqg6PB1w163w@gcarter> gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:
>Isn't placing the flickstand in the same category as
>two wheel drive and automatic shifting derailleurs 
>inappropriate?  I will admit it, I use a flickstand, [...]
>
>1. Lie the bike down
>2. Lean the bike against something without a flickstand
>   type device and risk a much higher probability of the
>   bike falling.
>3. Use a kickstand.
>4. Lean the bike against something with a flickstand.
>
>For me, choice number 4 is clearly the best.  So, what is 
>beef with flickstands?

Who cares?  If you're happy with it, use it!


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From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Subject: Re: retro-friction shifters
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:36:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.221157.25668@msc.cornell.edu> tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
>From article <1992Aug31.202455.7887@mercury.unt.edu>, by jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson):

>> were torqued down very tight.  Even the most die-hard Campi fans started
>> using other shifters.  With the C record groupo Campi intrduced the
>> retro-friction shifters that were strong enough to not slip yet were still
>> easy to move.  The idea seems to come from a shifter from Stronglight that
>> used the same principal.

>Actually, I think it was Simplex, not Stronglight.  Mavic used them in their
>old SSC line.  Real nice shifters, too...

I noticed that the exact same shifter was available from Stronglight,
Simplex, and Mavic.  Back when I worked in shops the ones we got were
branded Stronglight so I tend to think of them as Stronglight shifters.
I've worn out the pair on my racing bike so I'm back in the market
for a shifter beefy enough to hold my Campi deraileur in line.  I guess
I'll bit the bullet and get the Campi retros so my bike can be all Campi
again.

ride with the wind...

Bruce  jackson@cs.unt.edu
From: cabizon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (THOMAS BIZON)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Questions on Trainers
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:26:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was interested in getting a trainer so I can continue to spend some 
time spinning on the really cold days of winter.  I see that there are
three basic types:
     1) Rollers
     2) A trainer where you remove your front wheel and quick release
        to its frame and your rear wheel is held in a stand
     3) A trainer where you simply insert your rear wheel in a stand 

Of course, all the above have some type of resistance device (Mag, fans)
slowing your rear wheel (or a rolller).

I am leaning toward option 3 above for the following reasons:
Cost
Small size

What are the disadvantages of a trainer like this???
Does it cause a flat spot on your front wheel????
Is is stable??????

Any opinions are welcome, but please e-mail me as I do not always have
time to read the news.
Thanx in advance!!!!!

Tom           _   __o
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: MTB news group
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:01:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug26.105652.3325@otago.ac.nz> choline@otago.ac.nz writes:
>It would be nice to
>read about mountain-biking activities without having to sift through the
>plethora of letters from the fraternity of elite roadies going on about their
>VO2 maxs, percentage body fat, optimum nutrition formulas, and ultra-clean
>chains. 

Tell that crock to Ned Overend.


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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:26:28 GMT

Well, since everyone has a right to an opinion ;-)
 
My top five list:
 
1. New bike tubing alloys and automated productions systems.
My first non-Schwinn was a Botecchia that cost $170 in 1971
and had steel wheels and a heavy steel frame. About ten years
later I bought a Miyata 310 with alloy wheels and a light
double-butted frame for $320- or about the same amount, adjusted
for inflation. Maybe less. And it was a far better bike.
 
The new alloys allowed automated high-temp brazing and welding of
lighter tubing, and brought the price of a good frame within
reach of a lot more people.
 
2. Indexed shifting for MTBs, and, for that matter, MTBs.
I don't think indexing is that necessary on a road bike, unless
you're a racer. Maybe not even then. I can shift my Nuevo Record
on my main bike as fast, or faster, than the Shimano 105 on the
spare.
 
3. Real helmets that actually protect the head.
 
4. Clipless/Step-In/Whatever pedals. This may actually be my #1.
The new systems are *so* much more comfortable and easy to use
than clips and straps. No more reaching down to tighten/loosen
straps, more positive connection with the pedal, and no blisters and
sores from the strap and shoe rubbing on your foot. I'm a fairly recent
convert, but I love these things.
 
5. Good, light clinchers from Michelin, Vittoria, Continental, Avocet
and whomever else makes them. Who needs to glue tires anymore?
 
        --mike
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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: So if you bought a new road bike for under $500...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:41:41 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Amazing! 3 out 4 respondents recommend the Bridgestone RB-2!
Where's my checkbook?
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From: mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston)
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:16:19 GMT

In article <16190407@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ericr@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Eric Rentschler) writes:

   Also, when using non HG chain with an HG cassette, you end up with less
   than HG quality shifting!

   I would recommend sticking with the HG chain.

I'll second this recommendation. I've followed the recommendation in the FAQ
regarding the Sedis ATB chain and was less than impressed with what I found
to be a cheaper quality chain IE poor shifts and noisy operation. I developed
a new-found appreciation for Shimano equipment when I put the HG chain back
on.

I think HG chains have gotten and undeserved bad reputation.

MJ
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From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wearing street shoes on clipless pedals
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:50:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: arrl.497
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles.misc, cwright@tensor4.WPI.EDU (Charles R Wright) writes:

>Funny this discussion about a better name for those pedals we now call
>"clipless".  I always feel a little foolish having to explain why
>they're called that, and yet the shoes just "clip" right in...

I agree. It's awkward.

>Anyway, I've recently purchased some Shimano dual mode pedals and some
>nice Avia shoes.  But I was encouraged to make the jump to clipless
>pedals from the... other ones, with the clips, because several people
>assured me that there was this accessory that you snap into the pedal
>so you can wear normal shoes to ride the bike.  This would seem to be
>a good thing to have, yet I've not seen them in any bike stores.
>
>Do they exist?

Yes.

>What are they called? Where can I get them?

At least two kinds are available: Winwood Pedal Inserts (around
$20 from Performance) and another that's advertised in Triathlete
and Triathlon Times, which sells for around $70. I believe that
the product name has the word *Transition* in it (oddly enough :').

I have the Winwood inserts and I like them. They're well-made
(the cages and platforms are made of DuPont Delrin), adjustable, 
cheap and rugged. They include toe straps and work with Look, 
Shimano (I have Shimano 105s) and other Look-compatible pedals. 
They save me considerable time in triathlons and make occasional 
riding with running shoes possible and pleasant. They also made
it possible for my brother to ride the bike before buying one
(his feet are way too big for my cleated shoes).

My two criticisms: They're somewhat difficult to get into, and 
the cleats aren't as substantial as Look cleats.

They're worth buying.

--Rus
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:33:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <MJOHNSTO.92Aug30201619@jenny.shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>
>I think HG chains have gotten and undeserved bad reputation.

The people that I ride with often tell me about how well the
Roloff chain works. I bent my DuraAce and didn't have the
available capital to buy a new one so I 'settled' for a 
cheap HG chain from Shimano. This chain works every bit as
good as the DuraAce did. I'm sure that it doesn't wear as well,
but after bending a couple of chains I'm beginning to follow the
adage of replacing cheap chains often rather than buying expensive
chains.

And, hmm, when I ride with these other people with Roloffs, you can hear
them shifting as the chain rattles along the cog-tops for a second or 
two before engaging. I think that what some people think of as smooth 
shifting is probably not what I think of as the same.
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: CRANKARMS % COMPATABILITY
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:49:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <6948.2858.uupcb@factory.com> tom.schott@factory.com (Tom
>Schott) is crank-y: 
w
>... I'd like to upgrade the crankarms and freewheel but I'm not sure that
>the discounted campanolo crankarms that I found will fit my chainrings.
>My chainrings are Sugino 52T & 40T and the old crankarms are Maxi 170mm.
>I've measured the distance between the chainring to crankarm bolt holes
>at 65mm center to center.

So, why not apply the same measurement technique to the distance
between the c-c of the spider arms of the crank?  Even if it is in a
catalogue, the specs ought to be available from the catalogue or the
vendor. 

>Can anybody tell me if these Campy 175mm crankarms will fit the sugino
>chainrings?

Sugino is a pretty universal spare-parts manufacturer--they ought to
fit.  The length of the crankarm is independent of the spider fitting
the chainwheels.  I would be sure you really want to switch to a
crankarm that long.  In other words, the length of the crankarm is
more critcal in fitting the rider.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Pickup Truck Gets Revenge in a Civilized Fashion
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:55:53 GMT

The other Saturday while riding down a particularly nice country road
on which I encountered no more than six motor vehicles, but well over a
dozen bicycles, I had an incident with a pickup truck.

It pulled out from one farm, just ahead of me, towing a harrow.  This
particular section of road was slightly downhill, and the 35 or so kph
it was travelling was slower than I would naturally have ridden.  It
would occasionally try to speed up, but it would immediately have to
slow down again, since one of the wheels on the harrow would begin to
rattle in a resonant fashion, just like the one on the shopping cart I
always end up with at the supermarket.

I stayed a safe distance behind it, trying to stay visible in its left
mirror, and we eventually came to an even more down-sloped stretch,
where even my spindly little legs can easily dance around either side
of 50 kph.  I was getting impatient.  I had waited for at least a
minute already, and now had to wait even longer.   Scanning ahead on
the long stretch of road I saw one car coming the towards me.  After
that passed I finally took the opportunity to pass the pickup truck,
and got a fair distance ahead of it.

After the next corner, it did begin gaining again because the road
begins to go uphill, but it turned off before getting really close.
Drivers around here are generally pretty tolerant, anyway, although
awkward trailers, which the harrow effectively was, do seem to present
one of the most real dangers to cyclists.

So I had the satisfaction of having been very obviously held up by not
only, motorized traffic, but even a pickup truck.

I really don't suppose the driver thought anything of it, although the
anecdote might prove useful in future discussions with in-laws, and
such.

Adrian.
arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: MTB opinions sought summary & thanks
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:26:26 GMT
Reply-To: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Organization: Environment Canada


  I would like to thank all those who responded to my posting about
choosing between the Cannondale M400 and the Miyata E500. The 
opinions received leaned heavily towards the Cannondale. This way, I would
get an aluminum frame and I could upgrade the low end components as  I
saw fit.
  I went back to the bike shop on Monday to test the Miyata and Cannondale
once more but......the four Cannondales were ALL sold. They apparently sold
fity+ bikes on Friday. That left two bikes remaining in my size, Miyata E500
and a Cadex. The Cadex has a carbon-fibre frame with Suntour XC-comp
components.  I tested both bikes and settled on the Cadex. The reg price of the
Cadex was $1250, so my wife was able to upgrade her Giant ATX-760 to an
ATX-780 {same frame but with all Shimano XT components...reg price 1195}
and we got both bikes for $1350cdn....what a sale !!
  I've taken my bike out for a few adventures in the woods and I am really happy
with it.

Thanks again
     Doug

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Subject: <None>
From: selig@sysjj.mdcbbs.com
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:55:26 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas M&E, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: selig

          Wow.  When I first read this conference about a week ago,
          there was a note from someone who wanted to know the
          etiquette for passing another bike rider.

          Now there's a thread on dorky helmets.

          Allow me to introduce myself, I'm that fat slow guy in the
          dorky helmet that you blow past on the trail.

          Give me a wink as you speed past me and I'll blow you a
          kiss.

   
    >==^)
     -\<,
     O/ O
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan)
Subject: Re: Bike cops
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 04:13:27 GMT

In article <920823.143722.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@ALMADEN.IBM.COM (Ale
x Miller) writes:
>In <1992Aug22.161323.14674@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>   jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) writes:
>
>> Hah!  I have seen them too.  One was a rather rotund male, and the other a
>> female.  I remember laughing to myself as I jay walked in front of them.
>
>Let's hope these cops don't have to call an ambulance for you... "poor kid,
>he was jay walking across the street when a car came out of nowhere and . . .
"

I should have described the road.  It is a one way road on the inside of 
campus, which means only faculty can get in.  Plus, there is not much
traffic there because of some construction a building away.  The statement
about jay walking was made because a lot of students have been getting tickets
even though it is a pedestrian campus.  Pedestrians have the right of way by
law on ANY of the streets within the official OSU campus area (those streets
that are west of high, not east also for you OSU students), yet they had
starting issuing tickets to people crossing the street.  Cars on this
particular road only go about 10 mph max.  Trying to drive on these roads is
almost impossible between classes because of all the pedestrians and bicycles.


>Getting a cop on a bike for a few months might be a good deal for them as
>well as us.  They might improve their health, become more effective, spend
>less taxpayer money on health benefits.  We might gain some bicycle ethusiast
>law enforcement that see the road from our perspective.

I agree.  As I said, I wasn't laughing at "him", but rather the idea.  As I 
thought about it, I realized there might have been a number of reasons why he 
was on bike patrol, and not just appointed there by someone shuffling papers.  
Maybe he volunteered.  I dont know.  But I thought it was a good idea overall.

I have been assaulted, had a total of $3000 of propert stolen, my car 
vandalized, friends hospitalized, etc.  The last thing ripped off was my bike, 
in fact, and it was inside an apartment.

The nice thing about cops on bikes is they are able to go more places and see 
things they might not otherwise.  Like the saying, "you can outrun a cop, but 
you can't outrun the radio."

JT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jpierce@pdx809.intel.com (Jim Pierce)
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:22:47 GMT

>My number one innovation is synthetic leather replacements for shoes, saddles
>and shorts padding. Why? Because I'm a vegetarian.

Now there's a guy who takes the phrase "Eat your shorts" seriously.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber)
Subject: Re: Smoke/Dart, Ground Control
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:17:39 GMT

fyhg8422@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Frederick Y Huang) writes:
>seem to have any mud buildup problems, nor does the smoke.  I'd like to try the 
>Cannibal tire on the back sometime, as I've heard good things about it.

>Fred
>fred%uigela.dnet@garcon.cso.uiuc.edu

I have a cannibal on my back tire, and think very highly of it.  It doesn't 
hardly ever slip.  It does weigh a bit, but it is the 2.2 version.  You
can buy smaller ones ( >=1.8" ).  It holds well on hard pack, and sheds mud
well because of the large space between the nobbies.  Don't use it on the
front though, unless you plan on leaving your bike on tight corners.
(Of course Fred, after that race in Mahomet, I don't think that the tires 
were the problem.)

Jason
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: consumer report rating
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:21:02 GMT

|> Can someone comment whether the way they rated bikes were valid?

I think their rating procedures are semi-valid.  Of course, "rating"
depends alot on the kind of rider and kind of riding that person does.
Unfortunately, the number of different models they tested was very
small, so is probably not a good survey of current products.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
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From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Question about tandem riding
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:52:48 GMT

mikel@taumet.com (Michael S. Lueke) writes:

>I was recently told that, for a given gear, the stoker does more
>work than the captain because the chainrings are on the stoker's pedal
>axle.

>This doesn't make any sense to me.  It seems that both riders are pushing
>the same gear.  Am I missing something?

It doesn't make any sense to me either.  If it makes any difference it
would seem to be very small.  On our tandem, by the way, the chainrings
are on the captain's crank.


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
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