HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ohno@LINGUIST.UMASS.EDU
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:58:47 GMT

I recently posted a query on DOS/V printer drivers for Epson 9 pin printers.
I am still looking for one; I haven't given up yet. This is a "tochu^ keika"
or "keika ho^koku".

I may be the only one (I doubt that I am, though) trying to make something
out of this apparently irreconcilable combination of DOS/V and a 9 pin Epson
compatible printer, but in case anybody out there is stuck in the same way
as I am, here's my temporary solutions:


(1) There's a program called Kanji View, written by Steven Johnston,
    available in a FLEFO library on CompuServe (KV3.zip). With Kanji View,
    you can have a very nice print out of Japanese docs on a 9-pin printer
    (or, though I have not tested it, on 24 pins and HP LaserJets as well).

or, you can

(2) a. save a DOS/V file, and
    b. convert the file to 7-bit JIS (I use a public domain program called
       KCODE.EXE), and
    c. print it out in Ni Hongbo's NanJi Star.


Somebody (sorry, I forget his name) told me that MOKE also supports 9 pin
printers.


On a 9 pin Epson compatible printer like mine (Panasonic KX-P1191), Kanji
View's 24x24 (I think) print out is far superior to NJStar's (16x16), though
the latter contains a rudimentary printer control language, which Kanji View
lacks. Both programs use proprietary font files, not DOS/V's. They both run
in DOS/V's Japanese mode, as well as in the English mode.

I've been using NJStar for only a few days, but I'm quite impressed with
its kanji henkan and editing features. NJStar's kanji henkan is very fast,
but unfortunately it's "jukugo henkan", and I can't imagine living without
"(ren-)bunsetsu henkan." If you are learning Japanese (as opposed to being a
native speaker like myself, or already extremely fluent), and "think at the
word level", that is, if particles don't come naturally, I guess you'll love
this program. I ftp'ed it from monu6.cc.monash.edu.au. Its printing throughput
on a 9 pin printer is quite impressive too.

I have been familiar with Kanji View for an even shorter period of time, and
I don't feel qualified to comment on it here.


Mr Kinmonth reports there are few DOS/V programs to be found at FTP sites at
U of Tokyo, and so forth. I myself have to date seen only one DOS/V specific
file at the ftp sites that I know of: Tsuruzo's JAPAN2HD.SYS (w/ which you can
read/write NEC format disks, I've been told. I haven't tried it yet) is
available from me.uta.edu. (I don't remember what directed me to U of Texas;
somebody must have mentioned it here, right?)


I have asked a friend in Tokyo to look through the BBSs over there. We will
report it if he can come up with something. He is a devoted NEC user, and is
not enthusiastic about this task. So don't look for quick results.


Yutaka Ohno
ohno@linguist.umass.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: What's an idiom (Was: Re: Monotarinai)
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:21:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep6.212138.19172
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <37756@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>>> I could use some help on this one.  I haven't figured out a way to
>>> distinguish between real idioms and regular expressions yet.  Hints?
>
>If it sounds really wierd, it's an idiom :-)
>
>It doesn't *have* to sound wierd though.  I think "dog's death"
>which is a compound in Japanese is an idiom, although to American's,
>it isn't strange.  
>
>>  George Bush can see the handwriting on the wall.
>
>Well, is this really an English only idiom?  The basis for this
>is the Bible (old testament), so it could be wide spread.

Well, let me reiterate my initial statement and make an addition:
there is nothing inherent in the individual words comprising the
phrase "see the handwriting on the wall" that make it's meaning
immediately apparent. Regardless of how widespread it's use is or how
famous its roots (the Bible perhaps) it fullfills the basic criterion
of being an idiom and can pose special problems to a second language
user. Same goes for "a dog's death", even though it happens to
exist in two unrelated languages (even if it coincidentally existed in *all*
languages) it would be an idiom. I do realize you did not dispute it
was an idiom, I'm just clarifying what I understand an idiom to be.

>My favorite is:  There are more kanji than you can shake a stick at.

It is definitely a good one, and true at that.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: What's an idiom (Was: Re: Monotarinai)
Date: 6 Sep 92 08:53:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep6.085313.15138
Organization: clearer than blir

In article <1992Sep6.023930.6024@news.Hawaii.Edu>
mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias) writes:
>
> I could use some help on this one.  I haven't figured out a way to
> distinguish between real idioms and regular expressions yet.  Hints?

I would say that the dividing line between the two is not always so
clear, but generally I follow the rule of thumb that if the meaning
of the expression is not immediately clear from it's components it
is an idiom.

For example the English phrase:

  George Bush can see the handwriting on the wall.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

would baffle anyone without specific knowledge of the idiom "to see
the handwriting on the wall" even if they knew each of the individual
words that made up that idiom. The same goes for "the shit hit the
fan" or he "blew his lid" or your example "foot the bill". Idioms are
often metaphorical and you have to have prior knowledge as to how the
metaphor is being applied to understand the meaning of the idiom
itself. (That's why they show up on SATs, GREs and other such tests;
they are learned as units, not pieces.) 

That's why I think the poster was saying that monotarinai is not
strictly an idiom: because it *is* possible to figure out what it
means from its pieces. Namely: something (mono) lacking (tarinai).

Some people count verb + preposition pairs (like "show up" for
"arrive") as idioms, but this is where things are less clear. I tend
not to count them but what I do doesn't count for much. Obviously,
something as easy as "go up" is not an idiom, as its most common
meaning is quite clear and straightforward given the component pieces
being used.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
From: ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Cam Cavers)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kansai, etc. info.
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:28:28 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

oasser@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Gasser) writes:

- This would take forever.  Japan is really a very linguistically

Thanks for your reply...it was exactly what I was looking for. I also ran into
a friend yesterday who just returned from Tokyo before university started; he
explained what he knew to me.

- diverse (and interesting) place.  A summary of the dialect differences
- for English readers is provided by Masayoshi Shibatani in his _The
- Languages of Japan_ (the "languages" of the title are Ainu and
- Japanese, by the way).  The details are not agreed on, but one major
- breakdown is as follows:


!   *  *  * *    *    ! Cam Cavers: ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca !SakeSake
!   *   *      ****** ! **************************************** !SakeSake
!  *     *      *   * ! Member of B.A.K.A.: Banzai Anime         !SakeSake
! *      *     *   *  !                     Klub of Alberta      !SakeSake!
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: furuta@srarc2.sra.CO.JP (Atsushi Furuta)
Subject: Re: What about Zura?  (Was something longer)
	<Sep06.060751.41470@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1992Sep7.190446.22270@news.Hawaii.Edu>
	<1992Sep8.143845.22168@hamblin.math.byu.edu>
Organization: Software Research Associates, Inc., Japan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:29:02 GMT

  Sorry for my poor english.

In article <1992Sep8.143845.22168@hamblin.math.byu.edu>
  luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:

> Shizuoka        Tokyo                   English
> 
> odakkui		choushimono		a very genki person
> denkigama	suihanki		electric rice cooker

  "Denkigama" may be available not only in Shizuoka, but also in all
Japan.  Though I was born and grew up in Gifu city, I also speek
"denkigama" or "denki-suihanki" instead of "suihanki".
--------
furuta@sra.co.jp (Atsushi Furuta)
   Software Tools & Technology Division. Software Research Associates, Inc.
From: bondir@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (RICHARD BONDI)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Smooth Kanji Fonts and Egword Alternatives?
Keywords: Egword Mac Wordprocessor
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:47:50 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

I have two problems:
1. The fonts that print from my (old - 2.1) version of English Egword are 
bitmap fonts, not smooth fonts.  What better fonts are available, and where 
can I buy them?
2. Is there a cheaper alternative to Egword?

Please send replies to rsb5c@Virginia.edu.
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: dog's death
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:32:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.715829537.1103527590.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-2022-JP
Mime-Version: 1.0

The idioms don't quite mean the same in English and Japanese.  The Japanese
idiom `inujini' ($B8$;`$K(J) almost always refers to the specific meaning of `to
die a useless death' or `to die in vain'.  This differs from the English idiom
which strongly suggests disgrace or humiliation.  I think there is some
overlap in the usage of the terms, but certainly not identity.

This strongly suggests that caution is called for when using idioms in a
foreign language based upon your own prejudices of their meaning!
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: perrenod@RENAISSANCE.CRAY.COM (Steve Perrenod)
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:57:45 GMT

Have fun -> O-tanoshimi, ne!
From: ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: proposed archive
Date: 12 Sep 1992 00:21:04 GMT
Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena.berkeley.edu

sometime during the next two or three months, i hope to bring on
line an archive of japan/japanese related material that can be
accessed by anonymous ftp and/or a mail server.  i would
appreciate ~thoughtful~ comments on the structure of this
archive.

here is what i have in mind:

a) a software archive containing pd/shareware/demos for the
processing of japanese on ~open~ systems: (ms)dos, dosv, ax,
unix.

b) an information archive based on the kahaner reports, nsf
sources, etc.

c) a selective archive of fj material, essentially information of
use to people involved with the teaching/processing of japanese.

d) an archive of information on where you can go for other
material, for example, where to find software for closed systems
(NEC, Apple, etc.).

e) [as they say in japanese] nado.

please MAIL your comments to me even if you broadcast them to the
net.  thanks.
-- 
earl h. kinmonth, centre for japanese studies, university of sheffield,
sheffield, england s10 2tn  jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: luke@platypus.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?41
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:23:39

In article <9209100909.AA14831@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:

>KANJI OF THE DAY # 41

>   OnYomi: DOKU
>  Kunyomi: hito(ri)  -  alone, on one's own (also written with
>                        the kanjis for ICHI=one and HITO=man)

>DOKUritsy   -   independence
>DOKUtoku    -   peculiar, unique
>DOKUshou    -   vocal solo
>seiDOKU     -   West Germany (now fused with touDOKU)

also

DOKUshin     -   single (as in unmarried)
HITORIgo     -   only child
-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Re: Monotarinai
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 04:06:53 GMT

In article <9209040617.AA20288@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> 
Dave_Spence.Ebina_PBU@fujixerox.xerox.com writes:
>I do not know of a 'literal' translation that would make any sense. I have no
>idea how the Japanese got 'tariru' out of 'ashi'. A 'possibility' might be 
>that
>'MANZOKU' carries the meaning of 'Satisfaction, fullness, completeness'. Not
>having sufficient 'ashi', or feet, might show a lacking, dissatisfaction. So,
>if something (mono) lacks 'feet', it is unsatisfactory.  No?

As for the connection of Chinese character 'soku' and it both has the meaning
of "satisfy" and "foot", I agree.  But for understanding why 'soku' is read 
in two ways as 'tari' and 'ashi', there still lacks an information.  
While I have studied Korean language before, the tutor told us "foot" in 
Korean is 'tari'.  He continued that ancient Japanese would distinguish the 
two meaning of the character 'soku' by reading it as 'tari' for "satisfy" 
and 'ashi' for "foot", which has Japanese origin.

Isn't it still 'monotarinai' explanation? :-)

>The problem with something like this is that 'monotarinai', though it has all
>of the appearances of being an idiom, is not a REAL idiom, though it is
>sometimes treated as if it was one.

I think because 'ga', which is utilized to show the subject-adjective 
relationship as in 'mono ga tarinai', has not been used in ancient Japanese. 
Instead, relatively new expression 'nanika ga tarinai', nearly the same
meaning of 'monotarinai', may be treated as idiom.

BTW, We have some adjectives that can add mono- on the head.

	kanashii (sad) -> monoganashii 
	sugoi (awful) -> monosugoi
	sabishii (lonely) -> monosabishii

In these cases, complexed adjectives turn its meaning rather reflected, 
though monosugoi is used for straight expression at present.

It has to be noticed this change of form adds the nuance of "Without special
reason", or "Not directly intending certain object".  

	When you feel lonely when you missed a friend:  sabishii
	When you sit down and feel the wind of autumn:  monosabishii 

	Something you know what it is is lacking: tarinai
	Something you cannot identify is lacking: monotarinai

In some cases, they can alternate, though.

>Dave Spence

--
 Masahiko Tachibana	          E-mail:  mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp
 Lab. of Organometallic Chemistry,   Tel:  +81-48-462-1111 ext.3513
 The Institute of Physical and       Fax:  +81-48-462-4665
 Chemical Research (RIKEN), Wako-shi, 351-01 Japan.    
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hideki@ISL.RDC.TOSHIBA.CO.JP (YOSHIDA Hideki)
Subject: Re: dosv related software
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19: 21:35 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:21:51 GMT

 >   From: ucbked@athena (Earl H. Kinmonth)
 >   Date: 4 Sep 92 16:50:16 GMT
 >
 >   a recent posting asked for ftp sites for dosv related software.
 >   i have found little at major archives (todai, waseda, osaka).
 >   this is not surprising.  ax has been out much longer and is said
 >   to have 15 percent of the market, but there is little for ax
 >   machines.  perhaps ftp sites are not the best place to look.

As you can find by archie, wnoc-fuk.wide.ad.jp has some DOS/V-related
files in `pub/msdos/DosV'.
You would better not transfer them during Japanese business hours.
---
						YOSHIDA Hideki
						Information Systems Lab.
						Toshiba R&D Center
						hideki@isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: dog's death
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Date:  8 Sep 92 08:53:20

In article <MS-C.715829537.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>The idioms don't quite mean the same in English and Japanese.  The Japanese
>idiom `inujini' ($B8$;`$K(J) almost always refers to the specific meaning of
>'to die a useless death' or `to die in vain'.  This differs from the English
>idiom which strongly suggests disgrace or humiliation.  I think there is some
>overlap in the usage of the terms, but certainly not identity.

>This strongly suggests that caution is called for when using idioms in a
>foreign language based upon your own prejudices of their meaning!

Another good example is "pulling one's leg", which is considerably different
in English from the Japanese idiom "ashi o hipparu", which means to hinder.
-- 
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|  David Luke                      "There's nothing worse than a brilliant     |
|  luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu           image of a fuzzy concept."                 |
|                                                               -- Ansel Adams |
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: sastzt@athena.unx.sas.com (Toshi Tsuboi)
Subject: fj news groups 
Originator: sastzt@athena.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:53:48 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Keywords: fj news group xrn


This is probably a frequently asked question, but any way...

I am interested in receiving fj news groups at my site.  What would be 
required to received these groups?  Is it possible to receive these groups
along with the other groups we receive?  What type of news reader would we 
need to read the groups?  Would XRN work as long as we have Japanese fonts
(which we do)?

Also, does any one have a list of fj groups that are available presently?

Thank you in advance, and sorry for the list of questions.
-- 
Toshi Tsuboi       |"...that though the will of the majority is in all cases
sastzt@unx.sas.com | to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable;
SAS Institute Inc. | that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal 
SAS Campus Dr.     | laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
Cary, NC 27513 USA |  - Thomas Jefferson
From: ichikawa@cs.uiuc.edu (Itaru Ichikawa)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table What about Zura?
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: ichikawa@cs.uiuc.edu
Distribution: fj
Organization: HCI Lab., Dept. Comp. Sci. UIUC, IL, USA.

In article <Sep06.060751.41470@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> 
	ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>	I think "(d)zura" is used in some part of Shizuoka.

>	Can anyone from Shizuoka confirm/correct this?

I was born and grown at Shizuoka.  Yes. "Zura" is known typical 
Shizuoka-ben.  However, now, "Zura" is used by old aged people only.

You know, Shizuoka city is the 2nd largest city of Japan.  In the center 
of Shizuoka city, nobody uses "Zura" at all now.   

Instead of "Zura", we, Shizuokan, oftenly use "-ra?"; as "XXX-suru-ra?", 
"Sou-da-ra?"...
---(( ))  I.Ichikawa: One of Shizuoka Highschool Alumini
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:43:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep8.154327.10450
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
>   The kansai-ben list that was posted seems to be an amalgum of the
>many dialects in the area (Osaka-ben, Kyoto-ben, Kawati-ben).  I haven't
>heard katta as karita before either, but it might be from one of the
>dialects in the kansai area.

Some Q's: 1. What (where) is Kawati-ben?
          2. Is there such thing as Naniwa-ben?

> =}>Yo iwan                 Totemo iwanai           do not dare to say

In addition to this, "yo iwan" can mean "I'm at loss of word (because 
someone's deed is too outrageous, etc)".

eg. Mattaku yo iwan wa! Gohan yon-hai mo tabeyatta. (I can't believe it! He 
    ate *four* bowls of rice.)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?36
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:08:47 GMT

stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE writes:

>KANJI OF THE DAY # 36

>Compounds:

>NAMpa    -   wreckage (of ship)
>NANmon   -   difficult question
>ariGATA  -   Thank You (literally: impossible to exist)

Here are some compounds in the Wordtank (edict format):
[I'll append romaji]

$@Fq4X(J [$@$J$s$+$s(J] /barrier/ NANkan
$@Fq57(J [$@$J$s$.(J] /affliction/ NANgi
$@Fq5M(J [$@$J$s$-$D(J] /reprimand (vs)/ NANkitsu
$@Fq9T(J [$@$J$s$.$g$&(J] /penance/NANgyou
$@Fq6I(J [$@$J$s$-$g$/(J] /difficult situation/ NANkyoku
$@FqJJ(J [$@$J$s$/$;(J] /fault/ NANkuse
$@Fq9R(J [$@$J$s$3$&(J] /stormy passage/ NANkou
$@Fq;:(J [$@$J$s$6$s(J] /difficult delivery (birth)/ NANzan
$@Fq=B(J [$@$J$s$8$e$&(J] /retardation/ NANjuu
$@Fq=j(J [$@$J$s$7$g(J] /rough spot/ NANsho
$@Fq?'(J [$@$J$s$7$g$/(J] /disapproval/ NANshoku
$@FqA%(J [$@$J$s$;$s(J] /shipwreck/ NANsen
$@FqBj(J [$@$J$s$@$$(J] /difficult theme/ NANdai
$@FqJ*(J [$@$J$s$U$D(J] /hard problem/ NANfutsu

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Xref: sparky sci.lang.japan:4015 soc.culture.japan:7771
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?36
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:40:21 GMT
	<jwb.715562257@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>
	<1992Sep4.170808.25202@hamblin.math.byu.edu>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu's message of 4 Sep 92 02:07:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.170808.25202@hamblin.math.byu.edu> luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu
   (David Luke) writes:

 =}In article <jwb.715562257@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
 =}>stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE writes:
 =}
 =}>>JIS      = 3559 (serial number)
 =}>            ^^^^---hex 4671
 =}
 =}Perhaps a dumb question, but how is 4671 the hex equivalent of 3559 decimal?

   Simple.  3559 is not the decimal equivalent of hex 4671.  The serial
numbers provided for the kanzi of the day are not really related to JIS.
(Mr. Stueber explained this previously...)

   The JIS kuten code for this particular kanzi is 3881. (Mr. Breen provided
the JIS hex code).
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: What's an idiom (Was: Re: Monotarinai)
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:18:46 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>> I could use some help on this one.  I haven't figured out a way to
>> distinguish between real idioms and regular expressions yet.  Hints?

If it sounds really wierd, it's an idiom :-)

It doesn't *have* to sound wierd though.  I think "dog's death"
which is a compound in Japanese is an idiom, although to American's,
it isn't strange.  

>  George Bush can see the handwriting on the wall.

Well, is this really an English only idiom?  The basis for this
is the Bible (old testament), so it could be wide spread.

My favorite is:  There are more kanji than you can shake a stick at.
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    This is the first time I've ever eaten a patient -- Northern Exposure
From: fsvejda@NODE_27DDA.BITNET (FRANK SVEJDA)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: (none)
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:04:43 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet


 08-Sep-92

 Sir/Madam:

   Please add me to your kanji email subscriber list.
   My email address is: fsvejda@tiasic.ti.sc.com

 Thank you,
 Frank Svejda