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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:00:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Husbands and Wives

I found Tanya in Atlanta's remarks on HUSBANDS AND WIVES to be useful
and informative (especially the stuff marked spoiler) - I don't agree
that there's anything worth examining in terms of how the films she
mentions reflect Woody Allen's personal life (lives?) - Not that they
don't (perhaps) but any comparisons along those lines detracts from
what is universal or enjoyable about the films - Assuming that none
of us know Woody personally that is - By the way I think that
Vincent Canby's review of the film (NYT, Sept. 18) is quite good and
reading it is a nice follow-up to seeing the film - Tanya will be
pleased to note that Canby agrees with much of what see she says -
On the other hand the review by Terence Rafferty in the New Yorker
seemed to be written by somebody who didn't watch the film - Just
about anybody on this list (even those who hate Woody Allen) could
have done a better job.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:13:25 -0400
From:         Ellen.Edgerton@SUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Oscars

I agree that the Academy goes for the "safe choice," but I have to
disagree on the concept that, for example, a movie cannot be
judged overall best unless the director is judged to be best.
Of course, I've never quite understood why directors are considered
the "auteurs" of the film's entire impact -- for that matter, why
give performance Oscars if that's true?  I mean, does the director
tell the score composer which notes to use?  Does he tell the
writer which words to choose?

If I had my way, there would be a set of awards as prestigious as
the Oscars that awarded prizes on an irregular basis.  For instance,
one year only one film might get the award; another year, three
might; another year, none might.

I have been very dissatisfied with the Best Pictures recently, in the
last 10 years...come on, TERMS OF ENDEARMENT?  OUT OF AFRICA?
Please.

I also think the reason why people are so disappointed in the Oscars
is because SO MUCH prestige is attached to them.  Maybe SILENCE OF
THE LAMBS really >was< the best of the nominees, anyhow.
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Blow-Up, Antonioni

REPLY TO 09/27/92 21:30 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Blow-Up, Antonioni

Antonioni's BLOW UP is high on my list of top-ten favorite films.  I
saw it several times when it originally came out and now rent it
faithfully every year or so.  Although it is full of sixties, swingin'
London images, I wouldn't call it "dated" -- the exploration of
perception and the elusive nature of reality seem quite timeless
to me.  And, of course, it is lovely to see David Hemmings, Vanessa
Redgrave, and Jane Birkin as they were then.

Jennifer Porro

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Subject: SINGLES
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Subject: SINGLES

JUST SAW SINGLES...THE MOVIE WAS A LITTLE TOO GLOSSY (GOSH EVEN THE SOUNDTRACK
WAS GLOSSY) DID ANYONE ELSE SEE IT? WHAT DID YOU THINK.
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Subject:      Re: _Empire Quiz_...

I'll take a shot and say Barry Levinson (RAIN MAN and BUGSY).  Both films
did pretty well.  Can't come up with a dollar figure.

Adrian
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:18:18 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Good [BAD] Movies

SUBJECT: RE: Good [BAD] Movies

>    I totally agree with Liam about SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.
>    I had the opportunity to watch it again on cable this summer. After
>    nearly 18 months since I first saw it, I still enjoyed Anthony Hopkins'
>    performance. It is a good thriller. But all the major Oscars? Give me a
>    break!
>    MICHEL

Ditto.

  j-man

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From:         "(Steve X. Portigal)" <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: THE COMMITMENTS
              Gleason" at Oct 5, 92 1:49 pm

Gayle Gleason writes:
>
> The Commitments have a second record (or CD, whatever) out called
>  The Commitments, vol. 2 (I think).  More great Motown!

 There's also a CD of original music from the Committments. It's not all the
same songs as appear on either CD, but it IS the original versions. Although
I must say that I appreciated the integrity of the Committments versions.
It wasn't like the Blues Brothers or Jumping Jack Flash which (obviously
IMHO) screwed around with some great music to make it Hollywood.

 Note that vol2 mentioned above contains more songs that were in the movie
and some others that they obviously recorded for the movie but didn't
actually use.

Steve

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:12:30 -0500
From:         PHARRIS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Trivia

I'll try to explain The Secret Garden with out spoilers...
A little girl is orphaned in India when her parents die of Cholera. She is
sent to live with her uncle in England.(This is back in the late 1800's,
I believe.) The uncle's wife, Lily died in childbirth ten years before and
the uncle has never gotten over it. He sees her everywhere, and her ghost
walks around the house all night, singing. The uncle is a hunch-back and
his son, Colin, is bedridden for the fear that he will become one, too.
The only thing for Mary, the little girl, to do is work in the large garden
out in the "moors". She runs across Lily's abandoned garden and decides to
fix it up. THe story continues with lots of little subplots...
SPOILER.....................












Sorry, couldn't help it. The "secret" garden (Lily's) magical power restores
Colin to full health.(Actually, all along he was perfectly healthy, The uncles
brother, the doctor wanted him to die so that he could have the mansion.)
And the story ends with the uncle accepting Mary into the house as his daughter
and all live happily ever after.....THis is truly a wonderful story.
I believe that it is based on a childrens book by the same name...can't
recall the author. I'll get back to you on that. If you get the chance, SEE
THIS MUSICAL!!!!!!!
Paul.
PS The Original Cast recording is available. It stars a few recognizable
people, mainly Mandy Patainkin(sp?) who you might remember from the
Princess Bride as the Spaniard..."You killed my father....Now prepare to die!"
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:02:57 +0100
From:         Maroy Akos <JZK2115@HUSZEG11.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Last of the Mohicans

Yes, Michael Mann is responsible for Manhunter as well.
As for a TV series, about gangsters in Las Vegas, things like that. I forgot
the title, but the title song was 'Runaway', a '50-s classic song.

Akos Maroy
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Subject: Re: Suggestions needed
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:41:06 GMT
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              at Sep 28, 92 10:26 am

>
> On Wed, 23 Sep 1992 13:35:00 PST <THOMPSON@UCRVMS> said:
> >The designer of a college humanities course is looking for films
> >set in the 1820s and 1830s, particularly films dealing with
> >social changes, slavery, women's issues, the opening of the west,
> >and changes in Americans' self-concept.  I can't think of ANY
> >films set in those decades; can anyone help???
> >
> >Jim Thompson
>
>
Jim - You might suggest that they consult: Hollywood and American
history: a filmography of over 250 motion pictures depicting U.S.
history / compiled by Michael R. Pitts, published by McFarland in
1984.  It doesn't sort by decades, but if one is willing to skim
through, it's easy to pick out the films dealing with the period
in question.  There's also a synopsis of each film.  Hope this
helps.

Cindy Murrell
University of Calgary
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 10:16:40 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: RE:UNFORGIVEN

>Posted on 2 Oct 1992 at 19:57:29 by JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
>
>Re: RE:UNFORGIVEN
>
>>SPOILER......................
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>>    Like you, however, I was somewhat troubled by the sudden return of
>>Clint's ability to shoot--and the restoration of his reflexes, which the
>>earlier portion of the film suggests have been damaged by age.  I found
>>it even less realistic that this return took place after he was wounded and
>>after he returned to the bottle after years of abstaining.  The film did
>>something to address the reflexes question with the sheriff's speech to
>>the reporter--doesn't matter how quick you are but how carefully you aim.
>>But I wasn't entirely satisfied by this--although, like you, I loved the
>>movie.
>>Currie Thompson
>
>Judged by the narrow confines of neo-realism, the climactic scene in
>which Munney (sp.?) guns down a saloon full of "bad" guys is dubious.  The
>essential truth of this film plays upon the ambiguity of good and evil.
>To me, Munney's restored gunfighter skills reinforces the mythical
>quality of the story.  It is the dark side of "Shane" done in film
>noir.  It may not be good journalism, but it is mighty effective
>filmmaking.
>
>j-man
>
  Here, here.  The ending was a bit overboard but as the j-man suggests
 it does add to the myth and it was very effective.  I, for one, was
 very sattisfied with the ending.  I can't quite put my finger on why.
 Maybe because it demonstrated how Will Munny was the ultimate gun
 fighter that Gene Hackman had described earlier to the writer.  Remember
 he said something like speed doesn't count, it's how well you keep your
 cool.( I don't remember hearing the bit about taking aim)  And that's
 what Munny did.  I think that the predictable ending would have been for
 Munny to be killed....so having him survive made it that much more
 interesting.

 --Gayle Gleason
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Subject:      Irish Music

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     05-Oct-1992 02:34pm DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: Irish Music

John:

That is an interesting criticism, but I don't know what difference it would
make if people thought that the Irish were listening to nothing but Motown.
Obviously there is much more than that going on musically, ie. U2 and Sinead
O'Connor (two of my favorites) not to mention the more traditional Irish
musicians.  I don't know much about Irish music (especially for a woman with a
Grandmother with the maiden name of "Murphy") but I have liked what I have
heard.  The vocals are distinctive and enchanting and very effective in
contrast to the often harsh subjects of songs.

Ellen
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:18:07 EDT
From:         "Patrick Coskren" <ST202056@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Parodies in toonville

Howdy, everyone!

  Might as well throw my two cents in: Darkwing Duck, aside from being one of
the funniest shows on television today (IMHO), has done parodies of both the
James Bond movies and Twin Peaks.  I don't get to see it much, so they may
have done some other stuff, too.

-Patrick Coskren
"The cows are not what they seem"
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Subject: Re: My apologies re: Gilgamesh
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:42:44 GMT
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Dan et al.,
For a tough guy's blow-by-blow story about the conspiracy behind the
rise and fall of artists' fortunes, check out the first essay in
Henry Louis Gates' _Loose Canons_, a narrative by one Sam Slade,
private eye.
Keith Nightenhelser       (k_night@depauw)
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:38:50 -0400
From:         Ellen.Edgerton@SUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Movie music?

I certainly >hope< my remarks got no one riled.  I also would like to
add that I >don't< think that all period films >must< have a
classical-orchestral score.  If the director is trying to add to
the artistic quality of the film, sure, I can see where he or she
might want to use electronic music in a historical epic, for
example.  No problem.

But somehow I just don't think ROBIN HOOD was meant to be terribly
artistic.  I think it was meant to be a rip roarin' adventure film.
And the Bryan Adams song just didn't go.  I had the same problem
with the score for LADYHAWKE.

As for John Williams, I do not like most of his music, but that is
not because I don't think he's talented.  I do.  I realize the
fact I don't like his music is because it's usually orchestrated
in a way my ear doesn't take to.  It sounds too breathy and
gee-whiz for my liking.

On the other hand, I can't stand Miklos Rozsa, either.  I know, I
know, I know, he's the One of the Greatest Composers Of All Time
etc etc etc.  I can listen to BEN HUR and that's about it.
Too much bombast for my liking.

Ellen
ebedgert@suadmin.syr.edu
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Subject: Re: Sexism in films
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:28:10 GMT
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Subj:   Sexism in films

>I think it's kind of strange to denounce every best-picture-winning
>film of the last 20 years or so as "sexist."  As another poster said
>(sorry, I don't have quote-mode ability on my mail program), it's
>an argument about how society SHOULD be vs. how it really IS.
>
>However, it irks me just a little when I see even a popular, mindless
>film (say, SNEAKERS) that relegates women to a cliched role.  SNEAKERS'
>problem is that it's cliched more than "sexist" per se, but the
>cliches themselves can be argued to be sexist.
>
>Open question:  What makes a movie sexist?  Are there any cliches
>we can identify, and maybe some that are going out of style, or
>new ones?
>
>Ellen

I think opprobrius labels like sexism, racism, bigotry, e.g., should
be used sparingly.  They are much easier to dispense than to retract.
That being said, however, there are symptoms that indicate when
storytelling succumbs to ideology.

In fiction as well as in film, whenever a character's actions or
motivations are defin soley in terms of race, religion, or sexx, then you
are dealing with a stereotype, not a person.  And when a person's humanity
is reduced to the limitations of gender, you no longer have a story.
You have propaganda.

j-man

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From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Movie parodies in 'toons

Scott,
I don't recall if you mentioned the Simpsons episode a few
seasons back where Marge is torn between Homer and her bowling
instructor.  The finale was straight out of Officer and a
Gentleman ... right down to the dumb applause by all the
factory workers.

--Anjani
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:02:09 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: GOOD [bad] MOVIES

> DANCES offsets the simplistic
>old cliche (bloodthirsty savage) with a simplistic new one (noble
>victim).

>kjf, I realize I'm confronting an immovable object here...

More likely the other thing (I'd prefer to think).

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From:         "(Patrick Walsh)" <eeipwah@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Re: Danforth Quale

	> Hi Joan,
	>         can you or anybody tell me who this Danforth Quale is that you keep
	> quoting. Is he a comedian on American Telly or what. He must be one of the
	> funnist guys
	>               Fergus

	Hi Fergus,

	    Actually, Danforth Quale is the Vice President of the United
	States.

    Surely not, there is no way that the Vice President of the United States
 would
make a reference to a "U.S victory in the Gulf War" (this is a quote which I saw
 on
one of Joan's messages, sorry I don't have the rest of it) because the "War( was
 an
United Nations operation, thus for the U.S. Vice President to call it a "U.S
 victory"
would just play into Sadam's hands. He (Sadam) claiming that the United Nations
 was
just a puppet of the United States of America. This would be too basic a mistake
 for
the Vice President of the United States to make.
     Or on second thoughts, maybe I have got the quote incorrect.
                                                                 Patrick Walsh
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From:         PHARRIS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Trivia

I forgot to mention this earlier...
Hallmark Hall of Fame is filming a sequel to Sarah Great and Tall starring
Glenn Close. they are filming in nearby Kansas. It was on the news a couple of
days ago that the filming was halted because...get this...They had to ship
in dust from Arizona to make the sets look realistic! Imagine, no dust
in Kansas??????
Speaking of Hallmark Hall of Fame, has anyone else seen The Secret Garden?
This is the most wonderful story. I went to New York City and saw the
Broadway Version. I highly recommend seeing this production. The sets,
actors and music are wonderful. It has won 3 tony awards and is bound to hang
around for quite some time. Anyone else see it?
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From:         Milton Johnson <LIBMILT@CML.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: a funny thing happened in Northampton, (MA)

> Hey everyone,
> It has been an interesting two weeks in Northampton.  Castle Rock
 Entertainment
> has been filming a movie here at Smith College.  It's a thriller that takes
> place at a fictitious New England (Westerly) college.  The movie stars, Alec
> Baldwin, Nicole Kidman, and Geena Davis.  I and my friends have been fortunate
> enough to meet the above minus GDavis.  Also Tom Cruise is in town.  We all
> have pictures with the stars, and many extras have been chosen from the
> students here.  Today was their last filming day, so I guess they'll be
 leaving
> soon.  It was certainly very fun while it lasted.
> Jessica Gadsden
>

    Just out of curiosity, what movie were they filming?   I know
I've read it somewhere, but I can't seem to recall it.



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From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Miracle

Jeff--my message was a response to yours, so thanks for
clearing it all up!  I haven't seen more than a few minutes
of _The Miracle_--I have it on tape but have been crazed with
work.  Any responses from those of you that have seen it?  And if
you haven't seen Icicle Thief by Mauritio (sp??) Nichetti, it is
a real treat to behold.

Susan
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From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
Subject:      Re: Ben Vereen

Don't know the lowdown on the accident, but I remember reading in the
newspaper, or did I hear it on one of those TV entertainment magazines?
Anyway, I heard (or saw) that Vereen is progressing very well with
physical therapy and expects to be working again before the year is out.
If I'm not remembering incorrectly, he's supposed to appear in some TV
detective show.  He was a regular on producer Stephen Cannell's Silk
Stalkings, a really steamy psuedo-detective show that comes on late nights
after the news.  After watching a couple of episodes, you'll know why it
comes on after the kiddies have gone to bed.

Adrian
Clemson
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