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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren (but where's Little Al?? =)
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Sep 1992 09:06 EST  

In article <1000@pico.OZ>, conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au writes...
>They did & he spat the dummy.  Mansell has announce that he will NOT be
>driving in '93.
> 
>Rumour has him playing Indy

Maybe for Newman-Haas?

[just a little idle speculation]

JD
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: who is...
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:23:31 GMT

In article <92259.143757BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>     the driver of the RAHMOC car now?
>     What is the number of the car? 75?
>     Sponsor if any. C-ball, you started
>     this with the NASCAR shuffle. You
>     said Trickle is to drive it, but
>     who does now?

Aaarrrgggghhhh!  It was bound to happen!  You know how these
2nd and 3rd tier cars running at the back of the pace merely
go by and you don't pay any attention to them?

I'm pretty darn sure the #75 car started out the season with
Dinner Bell and, help me here, Joe Ruttman.  But I think it's
been one of those deals that has bounced around a lot this year.

Seeking help from Bubba or Bobby Sue........

-c'ball-
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: A Refreshing Sunday... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:12:23 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 2171@bnr.uk, cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour) writes:

> Schumacher's interview raised my ire - why do drivers stoop to such melo-
> dramatic antics for the camera? 

For those of us not blessed with rebroadcast of the BBC coverage, would
someone be so kind as to explain?

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
     Between 20 and 30 percent of the gross national product of the
     United States comes from high energy physics.
				- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX)


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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Monza race
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:13:41 GMT


In article <190klvINNasi@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
|>
|>I not accusing anyone of anything, but I find it strange that Patrese's
|>engine would falter very late in the race when he is about to take
|>victory, after having the best car on the circuit from the start of
|>the race, after Mansell drops out, and this happens to him just after
|>passing the pits going down the straight, and later his engine miraculously
|>recover with 2 laps to go.  I wonder if the Renault engineers purposely
|>played with his engine to slow him down from the pits.  I wonder if they
|>did this to cater to a request of Mansell in hopes of getting him to
|>change his mind and return to Williams next year?  

Sure sounds like an accusation to me.  Anyway, it seems highly unlikely for
several reasons:  (1) Patrese's problem was related to suspension, not engine.
(2) Patrese did not miraculously recover with 2 laps to go--Berger pulled
away fairly steadily after he made his pass.  Patrese had enough of a cushion
over De Cesaris (who was one lap down) to avoid dropping any further.  (3)
Renault has nothing to gain by having a driver drop off the podium due to a
failure of their engines.  (4) Mansell may be an arrogant SOB at times, but
he's not a cheat.  I don't think he or any of the other F1 drivers would
stoop that low.  Anyway, what would Mansell gain by causing Patrese to lose?
Patrese is already signed at Benetton--he's no longer a factor at Williams.

A general rule of thumb that defuses most conspiracy theories:  Never ascribe
to cleverness what can be explained by bad luck or stupidity.

--PSW
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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:34:12 GMT

In article <18338@acorn.co.uk> apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:
>
> American Michael Andretti has signed to
> drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
> in the 1993 world championship.        
>                                        
Hooray! Finally a top US driver in F1! Now let's see how he'll do! Maybe
we can even get a GP back soon...

Jeff
From: JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu (Jonathan Swaby)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell quits F1 !!!! GOOD RIDDENS
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:43:26 GMT
 <190j86INN9s3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <190j86INN9s3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Richard Banks) says:

>In a previous article, usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard) says:

>>Newsflash: Nigel Mansell quits F1 by the end of the 92 season.

>I knew he didn't have the courage to be be Prost's teammate.
>He made the right decision.  He'll quit now and hope he fools
>some people into thinking he's one of the best drivers because
>he just won the World Championship instead of coming back and
>getting beat by Prost next year.  Good move #5.
Please. I hope you don't really think this is true. Williams tried to
dick Mansell around. Why should he stay? Prost was one of the best. If
the FW15 is as good as Mansell says it is then Prost will walk away
with the championship. Hopefully Senna will get a ride with Williams and
make Prost miserable. Also, I hope Mansell takes his knowledge, skill and
#1 to another F1 team. Imagine Mansell helping secure a good engine deal
for Jordon and helping them develope active suspension. The Jordon
chassis is suppose to be one of the best. How 'bout if Mansell hooks
up Tyrrell and he takes Tyrrell up to the top.
   If any one does not have courage it is Prost.  He is scared to drive
   with Senna. Why is that? It will be a French engine in the car, that
   should make him less paranoid. Prost is good, but he complains
   all the time. We will see what happens with Williams. Look where
   his personality has gotten him. McLaren and Ferrari never want to
   deal with this clown again. They don't care how good he is. They
   can't stand him. I can't either.

   Jonathan Swaby
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From: cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour)
Subject: A Refreshing Sunday... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:19:55 GMT

I spent yesterday at Thruxton watching the next generation of F1 drivers
learning their trade in FF1600. Derek Watts is a name to keep an eye on...

Anyway, what about this Mansell mallarky? To be honest, I'm quite glad
he's going (if it's for real THIS time). It seems to me that you need to
have to an occasional death, retirement or the fall of a great team in F1 
to give somebody else a chance to shine. NM needs too much molly-coddling 
for my liking, and his motivation is questionable. 

Plus we might yet get to see the settling of the big argument, Prost V Senna, 
both in a Williams, although own personal preference would be to see Senna 
& Brundle battle it out on roughly equally terms like they used to in F3. 
Flashes of that came out at Silverstone.

Schumacher's interview raised my ire - why do drivers stoop to such melo-
dramatic antics for the camera? 

Enough. Donington Park next weekend, Silverstone finals in three weeks.

Chris.



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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:30:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.163435.770@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>In article <10702296.12.716186870@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>,
>10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
>|>
>|>Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
>|>Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
>|>next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?
>
>I thought this was mainly a monetary decision.  Eddie has to pay Ford for
>the customer engines, but since Yamaha is a development program, they pick up
>the bill for engines and engine R&D.
>
>--PSW

Did I just read something (gawd I scan too much these days) regarding a
joint effort Ford has begun with Yamaha to develop a new production 4cyl
engine to debut in the year 2000?  Hmmm....

-c'ball-
From: wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:19:21 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin


 I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
 for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
 'netters know ASAP. 

 Rob.
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR Darlington -- first, kill all the weather forecasters . . .
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:00:30 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Sep6.212044.22122@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
>
>	Too bad, Dan, Rusty looked d*mn good at around halfway.  I
>wonder how "big" that "big gear" was -- they could use a win this year. 
>And Fe-head -- "if he didn't have BAD luck . . . ".

  Well at least I had my hopes cooled at half way. The only thing that
 would have been worse is if it would have happened with only a few
 laps to go. Sure hope the changes over at Penske South make a difference.

 -Dan (Still a Rusty fan)
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Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:9676 alt.binaries.pictures.d:4435
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:29:06 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,alt.binaries.pictures.d
Subject: Re: Looking for Porsche gif
Distribution: usa

I found some racing gifs on wuarchive.wustl.edu . They were in the
graphics/gif dir. No Brumos cars. I got one of Alesi F1 Ferrari 92 and
a couple of Porsche gifs. A 935 and a 944 GT. I hope this helps.

Jonathan Swaby
From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansel Retirement
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:19:48 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

One comment I heard was the offer for less money was directly influenced
by one of the Williams sponsors (probably fuel company) saying we cannot
continue sponsorship at the previous level because the new fuel rules
limit our activity.  It was said that dollars from this sponsor was to be
directed into mansell's retainer.

Glenn Cirlincione
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Toohey's 1000/Bathurst Touring Cars
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:20:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.053910.3238@bain3.bain.oz.au> bill@bain3.bain.oz.au (Bill Richardson) writes:
|Ben Bradley (bradley@reed.edu) wrote:
|> Dear Friends in Australia:
|> 
|> Thus, this is my humble plea for assistance.  I need to get some
|> sort of idea of what I'm getting myself into, ie how to get from
|> Sydney to Bathurst, what's involved in obtaining tickets, and where
|> abouts on Mt. Panorama does one camp?  I'm fairly clueless about
|> this (and many other things :) ) and would appreciate any help that
|> is offered.
|>
|
|
|a) Sydney to Bathurst. Sydney is a big city .. about 70 miles by 50. Buy the
|time you have left the greater metropolitan area, you are at leat a third of the
|way there. The most pleasant route, via a town called Bell, takes you over
|winding mountain roads, before reaching the plains. You need to allow about
|three hours from the city. Head for a town called Richmond, and follow the signs
|to Lithgow, and then Bathurst.

   ... etc...

If you are going or coming back by car, visit Rockley if you
can. It is a beautiful little town with some old buildings
listed in the National Trust/Heritage (?) list. If you are
coming from Bathurst, you can continue your journey to Sydney
by following the same road which will take you to Lithgow.

 

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From: rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.)
Subject: Re: Alesi VS Schumacher
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:56:40 GMT

In article <95353@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>
>I too, believe that Alesi is a very good driver and should have equal
>status as Berger. Do you remember how good (and fast) he drove on the
>wet earlier this year (I think in France) ...on slicks!
>

I also seem to remember that he also hit everything in sight too.

>I do not like Schumacher. I don't know way, I just don't like him.
>Probably has something to do with the fact that we have the same age
>(he is a month older than me) and he is having fun in F1, whereas I
>need 1:13.5 to lap Lime Rock... (I had to tell someone...)

Tell us in what kind of car.
>
>Seriously, I think he has been lucky this year and even though his
>results (points) are excellent, he still has to show some raw driving
>talent or skill to make it in my list of very good drivers.


>

I keep hearing people say this.  They usually are the same people that said
he would not win a race this year.
>
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More whining about F1 being international
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:32:45 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Sep4.152029.5881@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
> ...
>After this years British GP Bernie Ecclestone made a statement along
>the lines of "nowhere, except Monaco  has an absolute right to a GP."
> ...

Do you suppose that Bernie will dare to attend the race at Monza after
making such a statement?  Has the Italian press picked this up??  Anyone
residing in Italy in this group that can tell us???

Dave Wilson
From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansells quits F1 !!!!
Date: 13 Sep 1992 22:04:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


 Well, this morning Nigel said in press conference that his relations with
the team management has deteriorated since the Hungary race. Supposedly after
the race, Ayrton Senna said he would drive the car (Williams) for nothing
(meaning a low salary, he just wants a winning car/team combo), so the
management proposed a reduction in Nigel's salary all after they had settled
with him, and Nigel didn't like it at all! But he mentioned driving at the
Indy series as a possiblity...Will we see Nigel at the Indy 500 next year?
Now, he also said that Alain Prost will be driving for Williams next year and
that such a deal had been settled for quite a while under the table...just
that no one knew about it!
 
 On the other side, Michael Andretti will be in McLaren's uniform next year,
but which engine will they be using? After all, Honda is pulling out...We'll
see...And there are 2 seats to be filled in the F1 top 2 teams out there..1
in Williams and another 1 in McLaren...Maybe Al Unser Jr. will still be able
to get a ride in F1...as you all know, that's his ultimate dream..:-)
 
 And today's Indy race was won by E. Fittipaldi, P. Tracy second and Al
Unser Jr. finished third taking over the PPG cup points lead by a single
point over Bobby Rahal...Rahal crashed 9 laps into the race and Michael
Andretti had engine failure at the halfway point of the race. Now the points
battle is very very tight...This one will go down to the last race! Curiously
enough, there has been rumours that Newman/Haas racing will buy Little Al's
contract from Rick Galles and have him drive together with Mario...What do
you all think about all this? :-)
 
 As ESPN's Bob Varsha said: I love the silly season! :-)
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|    "I hate MATH classes!" :-)    |           - Imelda Marcos |
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From: sacks@acsu.buffalo.edu (Aaron V. Sacks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR-Sacks
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:32:43 GMT
Organization: UB

Hello,
	Does anyone know why Greg Sacks was fired?  And does anyone know what
he plans on doing.
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Monza race
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:02:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu




I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I find it strange that Patrese's
engine would falter very late in the race when he is about to take
victory, after having the best car on the circuit from the start of
the race, after Mansell drops out, and this happens to him just after
passing the pits going down the straight, and later his engine miraculously
recover with 2 laps to go.  I wonder if the Renault engineers purposely
played with his engine to slow him down from the pits.  I wonder if they
did this to cater to a request of Mansell in hopes of getting him to
change his mind and return to Williams next year?  

Also isn't it very strange that Berger's engine went dead on the grid?
How many times in recent races has this happened to Berger?
Quite a few.  1991 Brazil he had a bad engine from the start.
1991 Mexico he started with a bad engine.  1992 Belgium something
weird happens to the gearbox.  Today.  

Who clipped Schumacher's right half front wing at the start.
Varsha and Hobbs didn't seem to see his wing flapping on the on-car shot.
In fact they thought the sound of the wing flapping was his engine
misfiring.  Are they losing it?

Does anyone know when the last time was that Senna had a blown engine
in the race?



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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:20:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM (Mark Jackson) writes:
>dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman) writes:
>
>>Now for the real question, who is going to coach Nigel on the following line:
>> 
>>"The Havoline K-mart dirt devil cellular one lola cosworth ran great all day"
>
>It will be tough.  Perhaps they can start out easy:
>
>"The Havoline K-mart dirt devil cellular one lola cosworth had a
>handling problem from the start, but I was able to adjust."
>
>and work up. . .
>

Yeah, but did you catch it in Nigel's press conference when (as least it 
sounded like) a photographer was reloading his camera.  After pausing the
press conference, Nigel said, "I hope that was a Canon."

Good man!

alan
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: It's Official - Honda Punts
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:08:15 GMT

Honda officially announced it's withdrawal from F1 at the
end of the season.  I have no specific statements to that
effect.

-c'ball-

From: rdg@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Gardner)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:29:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Michael Andretti to McLaren !!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport


> My local newspaper had a small article about Michael Andretti having
> signed a 1 year contract with McLaren for the upcoming season...

An article appeared in the Rocky Mountain News today that said Michael
Andretti and Ron Dennis have "formally announced what they both say
they expect will be a longterm relationship between the driver and the
Formula One team." No word on who will get the other Mclaren seat.

I expect we'll hear plenty more about it this weekend on espn.

Rob
From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:35:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Andrew W Payton writes:
>
> American Michael Andretti has signed to
> drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
> in the 1993 world championship.        
>                                        
> He signed a contract with McLaren at   
> Bloomfield Hills, Michigan but no      
> details have been revealed.            

The scuttlebutt (aka rumors) as put forth by the local Indianapolis press
is that it is a one-year contract for 5-10 million dollars.  Now, will Honda
stay in it to enhance their US market image?

Rob U, will McLaren have a car for Indy (like they had planned for Prost)?

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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:33:35 GMT

>>>Truesports:	Preutt
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Not likely...Truesports will dissolve after this season.
>>
>
>Are they dissolving?  I thought they were just going to stop making their
>own chassis and race Lolas instead.

yup. Barbra Trueman decided a couple of months ago that the Eagle
chassis was too expensive to continue, which led to Steve Horne's
resignation from the team. Then a few weeks back it was announced that
Truesports will dissolve at the end of the season, and that
Rahal/Hogan will lease the (3 building) Truesports facility,which is
going to be on a year to year basis. Just a note Red Roof Inns will be
putting there name on the Rahal/Hogan Miller car next year.


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