From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: A victory?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:31:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct13.015546.19834@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
#>In article <7528@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:
#>>In article <1992Oct11.005343.21854@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
#>>>
#>>>	In the wake of the passage of the bill, many people here have used
#>>>the word "victory". As I see it, at this point it is only a victory for
#>>>perhaps 100,000 Chinese invividuals. Whether or not it is a victory for
#>>>China depends on what these people do in the future.
#>>
#>>It is a victory in many means. I truely believe many of us will serve
#>>our homeland in many ways. We can go back and study "political reports",
#>>receive the re-education from those absolutely who have no idea about the
#>>importance and the role of technology and sciences. We can go back to
#>>do the research according to Mao's theory. I would not admit these
#>>will be the your victory or contribution to China.
#>>
#>>Simple arguement may lead to the conclusion that we can contribute more
#>>to China, to Chinese people if we go back to China. But this is only
#>>true when you go back to China you can do some work.
#>
#>Do you mean to say that the Democracy Movement is dead in China? Aren't
#>there lots of people still fighting there? What do you want, a red
#>carpet? Mao said it best, "Revolution is not tea party." If your really
#>believe in fighting for democracy then you wouldn't be so pessimistic
#>about your chances. I mean during the Long March, Mao had plenty of 
#>reason to give up, or go to the Soviet Union and ask for permanent
#>residence. There's a lot you can do in China.
#>
#>>
#>>Historically, many scholars went back to China in the hope of serving
#>>their motherland in 1950's. Many were well established before they
#>>went back. Well, I don't need to mention what happened to them,
#>>presumbly you know a little about China.
#>>
#>>Now, many people will face same choice. I would be prefer to stay
#>>here for a while and return to China once it's politically stable.
#>>I would not dire to go back to waste my life and listen to the debate
#>>of who should be the leadership of the country, workers or peasents, be
#>>fear of being persecuted due to my outspoken character.
#>
#>So how does that make you any different than anybody else in China?
#>Everyone who speaks out is persecuted. This has been true since 1949. You
#>never bothered to speak out before, but now that you're out of reach
#>you're really tough on the CCP.
#>
#>>
#>>On the other hand, with so many Ph.D's in US, we can establish strong
#>>tie with China and fring "new" stuff to China which China despertely
#>>needs.
#>
#>This is a very poor argument. There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese
#>Americans already here (not to mention people from all other races/nations).
#>What special thing do you have to offer that the rest of us can't??
#>
#>>
#>>Also remember, in China everything is still governed by "politics".
#>>
#>>>	And some seem to be confused about who the victory was won against.
#>>>The tone of many of the postings makes it seem like it was the American
#>>>legislative system that was beaten, like it was some game to get something
#>>>for nothing.
#>>
#>>No! 
#>>This is not a game. It's battle of life and death! It's battle democracy and
#>>dictatorship.
#>>It's the victory of justice! It's a shame to mention it again here that
#>>our government killed so many brilliant young people. It's also a shame to
#>>mention that the government is still lying about the fact.
#>>We lost those brilliant yound lives. BTW, this is another example that
#>>how Chinese government care its people, care what are people thinking.
#>>Yet, we have not made significant progress in democratisizing China.
#>>But, this bill will show Chinese government that international community
#>>cares what happened in China.
#>
#>It shows them that the Chinese in America are more interested in getting
#>green cards than in fighting for democracy.
#>
#>>
#>>>        Would the people who died at the Massacre call this a victory? They
#>>>set you free, and you waged your campaign on principles they died for. Has
#>>>the victory been realized? Is China any better off due to this new law?
#>>
#>>I would not know this since they already died.
#>
#>Use your imagination.
#>
#>>I feel shame of myself too, because of my fear that makes me afraid
#>>to go back to China to follow them.
#>>
#>>They did not set us free. We were standing right behind them. 
#>
#>Oh, come on! Standing right behind them????? Like 5,000 miles right 
#>behind.
#>
#>>We
#>>supported them. We together were fighting for democracy. In that dark
#>>night, many of us cried. 
#>
#>They bled to death.
#>
#>>Many of us
#>>volunterily demonstrated against the brutual crack down. In that dark
#>>period of time, the fear was gone. The only thing we had was angar.
#>>Don't you know the domonstraions in US as well as all other countries
#>>right after 6.4 were largest in history.
#>
#>It's easy to demonstrate when you're far away and out of reach.
#>
#>>
#>>Do you know what did Deng said when he ordered military crack down?
#>>He said don't worry about the international impact, other countries will
#>>come back (to be friend of CG) soon or later, bussiness would be as
#>>usual soon.
#>
#>He was right. Maybe he knew that the overseas PRC students would spend
#>their time getting green cards instead of mobilizing the world to put
#>the screws to China.
#>
#>>
#>>Tough guy!
#>>
#>>Without international pressure, second 6.4 would be inevitable.
#>>With the international measure, CG has to improve itself.
#>>
#>>Y.Duan

#
Looks like you are pretty mad about many of us be afraid of CG.
Looks like you are a hereo and desperately wants to go to China and
fight for democracy and human rights.
It is good to be a hereo. But nothing wrong to be a normal human being.
If you like to go China, desperately want to be presecuted, you just
go ahead. Nobody will stop you, believe me.
Pretend to be a hereo is easy. Asking other people to become hereo is
even easier.

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Y.Duan
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