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From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Something is stripping blanks...
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:19:05 EST
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

I've performed a series of experiments and something is
stripping blanks from mail messages:

1. Sent a message containing:

aaaaaaaaaaa
           
bbbbbbbbbbb

to myself via UUCP%"munroe@dmc.com"

The "blank" line had been filled with spaces.

2. Checked the spool file, it had spaces in it.

3. Checked the copy self copy delivered by mail.  IT had spaces
in it.

4. When UUCP/MX delivered the mail, the spaces were gone.

So a few questions:

(1) is my experiment bogus?
(2) Does DECUS UUCP (or MX, since that's REALLY the entity that
had the message last) strip blanks?
(3) Is this behavior legal?
(4) Should it be stopped?

The following is the message I received.  I don't know if it's MX
or UUCP that's loosing the blanks.

From:	MX%"munroe@dmc.com" 24-DEC-1992 08:07:34.55
To:	_MUNROE
CC:	
Subj:	

Return-Path: <munroe@DMC.COM>
Received: from thehulk by DMC.COM (MX V3.1) with UUCP; Thu, 24 Dec 1992
          08:07:08 EST
Received: by dmc.com (DECUS UUCP /2.0/2.0/2.0/); Thu, 24 Dec 92 08:05:33 EST
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 08:05:33 EST
From: munroe@dmc.com
Subject: 
To: munroe@dmc.com
X-VMS-Mail-To: UUCP%"munroe@dmc.com"
X-VMS-Mail-CC: MUNROE

aaaaaaaaaa

cccccccccc
From: kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
Subject: system abort error
Date: 1 Jan 93 11:48:56 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

I'm running DECUS UUCP V2.0 with ANU-NEWS 6.1 and I've been getting an error
rather consistently - I think this has been going on for awhile, though.
Here is a segment of my uucp.log file to suggest what's happening.  Can someone
help with this error - do I need to provide some other info?

Thanks in advance.

segment of uucp.log file:

p:uucp >> h:spool   [01/01-11:37:35-0000024d]   They want to send 
(S D.whscd0a5ff29 X.spooldb8c8 root - D.whscd0a5ff29 0666 root) u:root    
p:uucp >> h:spool   [01/01-11:37:39-0000024d]   File rcvd ok   
(208 bytes, 3 secs, 69 Cps) u:root    
p:uxqt =< h:-       [01/01-11:37:40-00000250]   Processing   
  (SYS$SYSDEVICE:[UUCP.SPOOL.SPOOL]X.SPOOLDB8C8;1) u:-       
p:uxqt << h:spool   [01/01-11:37:40-00000250]   Executing   
 (rnews  < UUCP_DISK:[UUCP.SPOOL.spool]D.SPOOLB8C8D96 > NL:) u:-       
p:uucp >> h:spool   [01/01-11:37:41-0000024d] * Wr qio cmpl err 
(%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort) u:root    
p:uucp >> h:spool   [01/01-11:37:42-0000024d]   End of call    
(complete : 527 secs) u:root    
p:uucp >> h:spool   [01/01-11:37:42-0000024d]   Dropping DTR   
() u:root    
p:uxqt ?< h:-       [01/01-11:37:43-00000250]   Completed scan 
(1 job processed) u:-       

-- 
Joe Kmoch                             Washington High School
kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu                  Computer Specialty
(414)449-2765                         2525 N. Sherman Blvd
(414)444-9760 x5488                   Milwaukee, WI  53210
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Re: system abort error
From: don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:13:08 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington CSC

jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
> In article <1993Jan1.114856.883@whscdp.whs.edu>, kmoch@whscdp.whs.edu writes:
> > p:uucp >> h:spool   [01/01-11:37:41-0000024d] * Wr qio cmpl err 
> > (%SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort) u:root    
> 
> This is a result of overly-zealous error checking in the terminal I/O code.
> You can ignore this error.  Fixed in V2.1 (not yet distributed).  

.... which is the result of outstanding $QIOs being $CANCELled when
the protocol is torn down; there were some circumstances before this was
done where UUCICO could hang if carrier was unexpectedly lost.  The 
SS$_ABORT tels you it's not suffering that bug.  8-)

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                      don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre          don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand.           +64-4-495-5052
From: lee@hsh.com (Lee Havemann)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Changing polling times
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:02:10 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates



Now that we have a private (leased) line installed between us and our feed, I
would like to change some of the timing features in UUCP.   When we send
mail, reply or followup on an article, I would like the files to go out
immediately. 

I changed the times in the systems. file to Any,1,1,15, and that seems to 
allow for immediate mail delivery (as mentioned in the manual :-),
but is it set correctly to poll our feed every 15 minutes for news/mail? 

I guess I have to shorten the sleeptime if I want the news to get out faster 
also. Is this assumption correct?


I am not very familiar with UUCP as we have only had it for 2 months, so I 
am trying to learn as I go along - please bear with me.

-- 

 Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir.    HSH Associates      (201) 838-3330 
 Internet: lee@hsh.com    Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."                     
-- 

 Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir.    HSH Associates      (201) 838-3330 
 Internet: lee@hsh.com    Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."                     
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
From: don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes)
Subject: Re: Something is stripping blanks...
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington CSC
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:44:07 GMT

Ned Freed <ned@innosoft.com> writes:
> Welcome to the reality of modern mailers! Blank stripping is extremely

I hate to say this, Ned, but unless you lot have fixed it in recent 
times, PMDF's uucp support also strips blanks... <blush>

(My defence is that I just hacked the old DEC/Shell uucp code, and it
did blank stripping as well.)

Note that blank stripping is a pain, as it tends to break many uuencode/
uudecode implementations.  Ideally, uuencode should encode the 0 sixbit
as a back-quote rather than a space.  

--
Don Stokes, ZL2TNM (DS555)                      don@zl2tnm.gen.nz (home)
Network Manager, Computing Services Centre          don@vuw.ac.nz (work)
Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand.           +64-4-495-5052
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Help
From: <zrf@pczrf.ntc.togliatti.su>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 13:41:23 +0400 (TLT)
Reply-To: synful+vmsnet@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
Organization: ntc.uas.ocmo
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X-Mailer: dMail (Demos Mail v0.22)

HELP
From: lee@hsh.com (Lee Havemann)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Re: Changing polling times
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:17:55 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1992Dec29.175816.1035@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.170210.414@hsh.com>, lee@hsh.com (Lee Havemann) writes:
>> I changed the times in the systems. file to Any,1,1,15, and that seems to 
>> allow for immediate mail delivery (as mentioned in the manual :-),
>> but is it set correctly to poll our feed every 15 minutes for news/mail? 
> 
> yes -- assuming that your sleeptime is no larger than 15 minutes.

Everything is pretty much a vanilla installation, and the sleeptime is still 
15 minutes

> 
>> I guess I have to shorten the sleeptime if I want the news to get out faster 
>> also. Is this assumption correct?
> 
> yes, but you also need to do something else:  You need to change NEWSSKIM to
> run more often.  
> 
> When someone on your machine 
> writes a news article, it gets put in a temporary file in news_manager_dev:[*].
> (If it's to be fed to multiple sites, multiple files are created, one in each
> directory under news_manager_dev:)  NEWSSKIM periodically runs and picks these
> up and turns them into compressed files in uucp_spool, together with the 
> "work file" (C file) which will cause uucp to transmit them.  
> 
> As shipped, NEWSSKIM runs once per hour.  If you make it run more often you'll
> also need to make some changes in its log file naming code.

Hmmm... After wading through some of the code and seeing what is needed to 
shorten the time, I guess that once an hour is pretty acceptable to put news 
out :-)

> 
> 	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
> uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
> Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG 
> Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
> Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh

-- 

 Lee Havemann, Comp Ops Dir.    HSH Associates      (201) 838-3330 
 Internet: lee@hsh.com    Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."                     
Newsgroups: vmsnet.decus.lugs
From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: Is this an active group?
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <687@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca>, tmabthor@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Thomas M. Abthorpe) writes:
>I am just curious to know, as I am part of a newly founded LUG!
>--
>Thomas M. Abthorpe
>tmabthor@Flash.LakeheadU.Ca 
>

	Not very.
From: tmabthor@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Thomas M. Abthorpe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.decus.lugs
Subject: Is this an active group?
Date: 3 Jan 1993 06:06:11 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada

I am just curious to know, as I am part of a newly founded LUG!
--
Thomas M. Abthorpe
tmabthor@Flash.LakeheadU.Ca 

Stupidity, like a virtue, is it's own reward!
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From: sbrant@npal.rn.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: UUCP-SMTP help request
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:39:40 EDT
Organization: PalNet -- Indianapolis, Indiana

In article <1gopmdINN2s0@dayub.dayton.saic.com>, ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake) writes:
> sbrant@npal.rn.com wrote:
> : -- 
> : Eh gods...
> 
> :   My feed point wants us to stop doing routing from here.  We use VMS uucp
> :   2.0.  He says that because our system is establishing routing, we are
> :   not fully using his router in the best way. He is running smtp.  
> 
> :   I am not clear as to how to establish this as if we do not have the
> :   paths database online, the uucp blows up and will not send the mail
> :   and responds with INVALID internet address.
> 
> :   I think the solution is to use the mail_rewrite rules to intercept
> :   all outbound-to addresses and to insert the routing info forcing
> :   the message to go to the router system.  I have attempted to do this
> :   and it does modify the b.xxx file and the d.xxx file remains ok with
> :   the proper @ address and uucp likes this.  But I am not certain if this
> :   really works, or is the correct method.
> 
> 	A better solution is to have a very small paths database.  Have an
> entry for your site and any you call.  Put a smart-host line pointing to your
> UUCP/SMTP neighbor.  Take out the rest of the UUCP entries.  Run the map
> build procedure and you should have a working paths file.
> 

  Yes, this will work, as I have tried it.  However, it is assuming that 
  only systems that you send mail  will be in the paths database.  This may
  not be true in many cases.  For example, if I see a listserv I wish to 
  send a note to, if it is not in the paths database, then UUCP refuses to
  send  mail to a system NOT in the paths database.  UUCP responds with
  an INVALID internet address.   So simply modifying the paths database is not
  the answer.  In fact, it looks like one needs to maintain a complete data
  base just to satisfy uucp.  Even if the mail rewrite rule changes the path
  and interceptS all outbound-to messages and routes them to the neighboring
  router.

  I have managed to get the local router, machine a, to send files to machine
  b now by using the rewrite rules, but I am having trouble getting machine
  b to route back to a.  If anyone has an example of their rewrite file that
  solves the two way problem, would you please share it here?  I have had 
  several email responses, and it seems this is more of a common problem than
  I thought.  So if you have the solution, why not share it so others my fix
  this problem.

  Thank you again and Happy Holidays!

  regards;





                                                     Steven B. Brant
________________________________________________________________________
       -->> sbrant@npal.rn.com <<--[ or ] -->> nstar!towers!npal!sbrant <<--
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: NEW BBS PROGRAM
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec22.205733.991@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes...
#If we had a way to issue a cancel for this message for just vmsnet.misc, I'd be
#sorely tempted to do it.  

	Eh?

	vmsnet.sysmgt.ctl with appropriate header lines (You know
	what the two are and I know what they are, but there's no
	reason to put that here).
# 
#	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
#drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows-NT
#uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
#Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG 
#Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
#Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh

	Ehud

--
Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
You mean you don't want to watch WRESTLING from ATLANTA?
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: UUCP-SMTP help request
Date: 27 Dec 92 07:24:08 EST
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

In article <1992Dec19.233940.21312@npal.rn.com>, sbrant@npal.rn.com writes:
>   Yes, this will work, as I have tried it.  However, it is assuming that 
>   only systems that you send mail  will be in the paths database.  This may
>   not be true in many cases.  For example, if I see a listserv I wish to 
>   send a note to, if it is not in the paths database, then UUCP refuses to
>   send  mail to a system NOT in the paths database.  UUCP responds with
>   an INVALID internet address.   So simply modifying the paths database is not
>   the answer.  In fact, it looks like one needs to maintain a complete data
>   base just to satisfy uucp.  Even if the mail rewrite rule changes the path
>   and interceptS all outbound-to messages and routes them to the neighboring
>   router.

This isn't right.  I correspond with people all over the world and my paths
database has ONLY my direct connections AND a smarthost pointer to the machine
I use to route all other traffic through.  I've never had any problem with UUCP
refusing to send the mail.

Perhaps you didn't define your UUCP database properly?  How about letting us
see what you set up.
-- 
Dick Munroe				Internet: munroe@dmc.com
Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
Hudson, Ma.				FAX: (508) 562-1133

GET CONNECTED!!! Send mail to info@dmc.com to find out about DMConnection.
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From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer???
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:14:18 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <35.2b41ce0c@wrglex>, l_seibert@wrglex writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a problem to use a postscript printer as a postscript printer under VMS.
> The printer is a Brother HL-10PS, it is connected serial with the DECserver200 
> and everything is working fine as long as I use it as a text printer, but as
> soon as I send a postscript file or I connect it to a queue created with DEC's 
> CPS-software, it doesn't print anything. If it is connected to a text queue, 
> the printer tells me IGNORE DATA. If it is connected to a CPS queue, it takes
> sometime and then the queue is stalled.
> 
> 
> Any help or idea, how to solve this problem is appreciated.
> 
> Happy New Year
> 
> Lars
> 
> --
> Lars Seibert                          UUCP  : ...!drilex!wrglex!katec!l_seibert
> System Manager                        phone : +49 6181 9404-69
> TEC Systems KATEC/GRACE GmbH          fax   : +49 6181 46646
-- 
Lars,
 
Without seeing the actual hardware, it is difficult to be sure, 
but the symptoms you describe seem to indicate a communications 
problem. For starters, I would get a copy of a PostScript 
exception handler (If you want, I can send you a copy of the one 
that I use, it is in the public domain). You may also be seeing a 
problem with flow control and character settings between the 
printer and the terminal server.
 
I hope that the above is helpful. If I have been unclear, or if I 
can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact me by 
email or phone.
 
- Bob
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From: bear@nuc.anu.edu.au (Bernhard Fabricius)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer???
Date: 3 Jan 1993 23:05:50 GMT
Organization: Nuclear Physics, ANU
Distribution: world
Reply-To: BEAR@NUC.ANU.EDU.AU
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.19.47


In article <31DEC199209514502@author.gsfc.nasa.gov>, rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:
>In article <35.2b41ce0c@wrglex>, l_seibert@wrglex writes...
>> 
>>I have a problem to use a postscript printer as a postscript printer under VMS.
>>The printer is a Brother HL-10PS, it is connected serial with the DECserver200 
>>and everything is working fine as long as I use it as a text printer, but as
>>soon as I send a postscript file or I connect it to a queue created with DEC's 
>>CPS-software, it doesn't print anything. If it is connected to a text queue, 
>>the printer tells me IGNORE DATA. If it is connected to a CPS queue, it takes
>>sometime and then the queue is stalled.
>
>The CPS software inquires from the printer as to what kind of printer it is.
>If its not recognized, it assumes DEC LN03R (Scriptprinter), and utilizes 
>vendor and model specific knowledge in communicating to the "LN03R".  Of
>course, if its not an LN03R, that's likely not to work.  

Ah, but if you have no genuine LN03R printers in your system then try to 
replace the module LPS$$LN03R_INITPSDEVICE in SYS$LIBRARY:CPS$DEVCTL.TLB
with the following:

% Copyright 1988, 1989, Digital
% V2.1-2a
% Modified for non-LN03R printers (papersize and papertray stuff removed)
statusdict begin/returnstatus{(%%[ ReturnStatus: )print(0123456789)cvs
print counttomark{counttomark -1 roll( ")print print(")print}repeat
pop( ]%%\n)print flush} end

Extract these 6 lines to the file LPS$$LN03R_INITPSDEVICE.TXT and do a 
library/text/replace on the device control library.  Happy printing!

CAVEAT: You may run into problems if you also have LN03R printers! In that
        case you can create a module with the missing stuff and send that
	as a SETUP to your genuine LN03R printers (include that as part of
	the queue definitions in the CPS startup file).
AND:	Whatever you do, make a copy of the original .TLB file before you
	start playing...

Cheers


Bernhard
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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: NEW BBS PROGRAM
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:57:33 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

If we had a way to issue a cancel for this message for just vmsnet.misc, I'd be
sorely tempted to do it.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows-NT
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.os.vms
Subject: How to use a non-DEC postscript printer???
From: l_seibert@wrglex
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:27:56 MEZ
Organization: TEC Systems KATEC/GRACE GmbH, Maintal-Drnigheim, Germany

Hi,

I have a problem to use a postscript printer as a postscript printer under VMS.
The printer is a Brother HL-10PS, it is connected serial with the DECserver200 
and everything is working fine as long as I use it as a text printer, but as
soon as I send a postscript file or I connect it to a queue created with DEC's 
CPS-software, it doesn't print anything. If it is connected to a text queue, 
the printer tells me IGNORE DATA. If it is connected to a CPS queue, it takes
sometime and then the queue is stalled.


Any help or idea, how to solve this problem is appreciated.

Happy New Year

Lars

--
Lars Seibert                          UUCP  : ...!drilex!wrglex!katec!l_seibert
System Manager                        phone : +49 6181 9404-69
TEC Systems KATEC/GRACE GmbH          fax   : +49 6181 46646
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