HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rcbc@virgo.cs.cornell.edu (Robert Cooper)
Subject: Re: Kevlar vests to be made COMPULSORY for pedestrians in NZ
Reply-To: rcbc@cs.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:50:42 GMT

I have a couple of points to make about this issue:

- Motorists are not the only reason that cyclists have accidents.
I think the only times I've actually fallen off my bike have been
self-inflicted (or at least caused by the road conditions). I've had a few
scrapes with motorists, but usually some evasive action has got me out
of trouble. The most serious accident I've had happened at night as I was
negotiating around a judder-bar (speed-bump) at night at Massey. I must
have messed-up and hit the kerb. I don't know exactly because I didn't
remember anything after the bump to my head!

- If you look at some of the car safety laws in the US you'll see what
happens when you are not allowed to pass laws that simply force people to
wear safety equipment. Although many states have compulsory seat belt laws,
the federal government is apparently only able to pass laws that force the
car manufaturers to do something. So we have these incredibly annoying seat
belt buzzers that go off for about 20 seconds when you get into the car. 
They are an annoyance to everyone, but since they go off after 20 seconds
they don't really do any good. Then there's the passive restraint law. 
These just came into effect in 1990 and requires all front seat passengers
to be protected by some kind of automatic safety belt, or by an airbag. 
The automatic belts are of a number of silly designs:

 1) The top of the shoulder belt is attached to motorized track that runs 
 along the top of the door opening. Problems: if you are tall (like me) 
 even in the most rearward position the belt is often 4 inches clear of 
 my shoulder when I have the seat back far enough for me to fit in the car.
 Another problem: there is a separate lap belt that you must put on
 manually. This is very easy to forget, even if like me you are used to
 always wearing a manual belt. 

 2) Most GM cars have shoulder and lap parts of the belt attached to the door
 itself. Doors fly open in accident => no safety belt.

This kind of law makes cars safer for those schlubs who won't put on their
safety belts, and less safe for people like me who always wear a belt.

The airbags are not particulary safe by themselves for side impact
accidents, they can go off at the wrong time, and cost $2000 to recharge
apparently.  

- Finally, on the issue of NZ drivers. There are very few motorways or
divided highways in NZ. I'd like to see some statistics for injuries on
one-lane-in-each-direction roads in different countries. 

             -- Robert Cooper
--
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From: nebbe@lglsun.epfl.ch (Robb Nebbe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: English Education
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:11:38 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

It seems to me that all the public schools in Quebec should be in
French since it is a French speaking province and elsewhere they
should be in English. If either minority _has_ to have their
children educated in their own language then they should send their
children to a private school. Of course the French schools should
start teaching English very early and vica-versa for the English
schools.

I would say that if parents can send their children to a English
public school in Quebec then they should consider themselves
lucky.

This isn't anything new. In Switzerland which has 4 national
languages of which 3 are important (Swiss German, French, and
Italian) The parents don't have much of a choice. If the parents
chosen to live in a German speaking area then their children will
go to a German school unless the parents are willing to pay for a
private school education. The exception is in areas which have a
large linguistic minority( > 40% ). In these areas the school is either in
language of the majority or it is bilingual and uses both languages
as teaching languages.

The American community in Geneva does just fine. They either send
their children to a French speaking school or a private school in
English.

Robb
From: py4bois1@cine88.cineca.it
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Multiculturalism
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:04:00 +0100
Organization: CINECA, Italian Interuniversity comp. centre

Hallo all,
i am a researcher in a Phd in Canadian literature at Bologna University.
I am working on "multiculturalism" through the works of three immigrant
authors: Joy Kogawa, Michael Ondaatje and Rohinton Mistry. Unlucky Canada
is far from Italy and i lack a lot of informations. Would you like
to help me to improve my knowledge of this country with suggestions and
messages on this "news".
Any help will be appreciated!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maria Rosa Giordani
University of Bologna
Department of modern languages
From: mathew@unixg.ubc.ca (Mathew B Englander)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Graduate School
Keywords: Computer Science
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:38:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: iskut.1e6u2hINN7gi
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <craigen.12.721680232@ace.acadiau.ca> craigen@ace.acadiau.ca (DOUGLAS CRAIGEN) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.175243.4948@exu.ericsson.se> exupeha@exu.ericsson.se (Petrus Hardianto) writes:
>>I am thinking of applying for Computer Sc. Graduate program in
>>Canadian universities.  Can anyone tell me which school has
>>a strong program?
>>---
>   Try the University of Waterloo
>   I won't risk offending anyone by calling them the best in Canada, but 
>they are well known both in Canada and abroad.  For example, Bill Gates 
>publicly declares that they hire more Waterloo graduates at Microsoft than 
>graduates from anywhere else.  I believe the figure he gives is 15% of their 
>programmers are Waterloo graduates.  Try the University of British Columbia 
>as well.  Most UBC programs are quite good, and Vancouver is a great place 
>to live.

I've gone to school at both UBC and U of Waterloo; not only is Vancouver
a great place to live, but Waterloo is horrible. It is a tight-ass,
conservative, parochial, ugly little town with nothing to do after
6:00 except go to mediocre bars.

As for the universities specifically, in general people at UW are
more drab.

It does rain more in Vancouver though.

Mathew Englander.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA (Daniel  Cunningham)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Reply-To: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:00:39 GMT

>I don't have a lithium presciption - besides I believe
>it's no longer in use.
>
>Laurence
I believe lithium is still prescribed for certain psychological disorders(manic
depression?).   Besides which you are begging the question.  What is your problem
with Canadians?  How can you characterize 26 million people as a bunch of assholes
from staying in Ottawa?  Try touring the country first, visit some different regions,
before you make the enormously stupid leap of characterizing all of us as assholes.
Myself, I cheerfully admit to being an asshole, but I will not speak for the rest of
the country, although if we're making broad generalizations I would be curious as
to the country that has the misfortune to have you as an inhabitant.

Daniel Cunningham
Canadian and very grateful to be living in this country considering how gay people
are treated elsewhere.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Canadians working Abroad
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:46:07 GMT


Hi all,

I have some questions, which I really need some good answers to.

There is a high probability that I will be going to work in Japan
for a few years (4+).  Ok, so the questions are:

1) What is the situation with income tax? Who do I pay, Canada
   or Japan, and do I have a choice.  I've heard some horror
   stories about the tax situation. Like tax people giving conflicting
   info with other sources and their own policies.  Like most
   I like to pay as little tax as possible.
2) Declaring goods at customs.  If I am there for several years
   and I move back to Canada, does Canada have any dumb laws
   wanting to tax me on my personal possessions.  I guess if its
   old enough it shouldnt, but I want some concrete info.
   Reason I asked is I am likely to work for an electronics
   firm, that offers discounts to their employees.
3) Also with passports, I'll probably be away long enough that
   my passport will run out. So what is the procedure for renewal
   etc.
4) Also, any wierd rules requiring ex-patriots residency in Canada
   every so often to hold some wierd status or whatever.
5) Another is duel citizenship.  My parents wants me to register
   for "something" in HongKong so I can get land/building rights in HK
   on the real estate my ancesters own there.  I am asking this since 
   I am a naturalized citizen of XX years.  Who knows if there are
   any wierd rules concerning this. 

I'll summarize replies if it warrants, replies on this newsgroup or
private is welcome.  Thanks.


Ray
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.america,soc.culture.uk
Subject: job offer
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:04:13 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

I am posting this for a friend who lacks access to these particular
newsgroups.  Please reply directly to him.  Thanks.

WANTED: UNEMPLOYED TEACHER
Are you an unemployed, non-smoking teacher ?
Could you tutor a 14 year old Canadian boy for the next two years ?
Would you like to live on the Costa Brava, Spain ?
We are offering board and lodging in exchange for educating my stepson,
Mondays thru Fridays 0900 - 1300. The town is the marina-city of
Ampuriabrava, on the Spanish coast, and my house is located about 2 miles
from the Mediterranean (and a 12 mile long beach). Please contact me as
soon as possible (because we move to Spain middecember) via e-mail,
RFLOOD&ESOC.BITNET, fax is Germany 49-6151-902972, phone is 49-6151-318131,
or post: Forstweg 10, D-6100 Darmstadt, Germany.
Please include details of your qualifications and some form of reference.
R A Flood

End of Message
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:14:53 EST
From: <GRW104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: home mortgage rates????

Can someone give me an approximate indication of
the current typical range of home mortgage
interest rates in Canada?  Thanks in advance.

G. Weaver
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8763 can.politics:9922
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: RE: Doublespeak
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:21:48 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Nov23.095129.4983@r-node.gts.org> ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen) writes:
>
>/* Written  5:55 pm  Nov 21, 1992 by bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu in igc:misc.activism. */
>/* ---------- "1992 Doublespeak Awards" ---------- */
>1992 Doublespeak Awards
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>From the November 20th issue of the Champaign-Urbana "News-
>Gazette." (summation of article)
>
>Doublespeak Awards Find Fertile Ground in Politics
>==================================================
>
>The annual awards -- intended to call attention to language that
>is "grossly deceptive, evasive and euphemistic" -- were bestowed
>during the council's convention in Louisville, Kentucky.
>
>
>Among the nominees:
>
       other examples deleted
>
>*** The Environmental Protection Agency now refers to acid rain
>as "wet deposition."
>
I don't think it is fair to the EPA to suggest they're being
deceptive, evasive, or euphemistic.  I don't know the context
from which this was taken, but they were probably trying to
distinguish between sulfate particles in the atmosphere settling
to the surface on their own (dry deposition), and particles being
washed out in rain (wet deposition).  "Wet/dry deposition" are
the standard scientific terms for these processes, not bureaucratic
bafflegab.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Upper Canada trick...
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:16:08 GMT

dfplant@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Douglas Plant) writes:
>
>From the lid of a tub of NN brand honey, packaged in Toronto;
>	"
>	    from Canada's peace river valley
>           ----------------------------------
>		de la vallee de la riviere
>		  de la Paix de Canada
>	"


Was this at a wholesaler?  That's probably an export bound for
Manhattan or Beverly Hills ... the French is an extra $1-4 of
profit down here and up the social ladder.

gld

PS: Is it my imagination or is that a bad French translation?
Actually, it's missing something in English, too ... like 
capitalized names ...
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Jesus Saves!
> gld@cunixd.cc.columbia.EDU 		Gretzky gets the rebound -
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			he shoots, he scores!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8609 can.politics:9788
From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Dying for one's country (was Re: The Valour and the Horror)
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:34:33 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <TODD.92Nov19114814@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp (Todd Law) writes:
>
>ToddLaw>I forget who said it (maybe JFK) but only a fool dies for his
>TL>country.  It is much better to live for one's country.
>
>TomBox>Could you please explain how the Allies could have won WW2 without
>TB>anyone being so foolish as to "die for his country"?  Given that
>TB>there were a great many Germans ready to die for their country,
>TB>what would you have had the Allies do?  Surrender?
>
>Actually, if I remember correctly, a great many did surrender without
>fighting to the death.  They were called POWs.  The distinction
>between "foolish to die for one's country" and "to die foolishly for
>one's country" should be pretty clear to you, shouldn't it?  And I
>maintain that those members of the Blackwatch died for foolish
>reasons (a foolish no-retreat policy, stubborn leadership).  If they
>had accomplished something - anything - I would have a different
>opinion.
>
I agree completely that one should not die foolishly for one's
country.  But this is not what you said in your original posting.
You said that "Only a fool dies for his country."  And with that
I do not agree.  It is better to avoid war, but if the other side
is bent on conquest, there maybe no alternative to war.  And if
a war must be fought, it should be done so as to minimize the loss of
life.  But situations are sure to arise where one must "die for one's
country" if the war is to be won.  This does not make those who die
fools.

It may be clear in hindsight that the incident involving the Black Watch
in Normandy involved foolishness on the part of the Canadian commanders.
But what should the men who were sent out to be slaughtered have done?
Were they in a position to decide that the orders they were given
were stupid, and should be ignored?  I doubt it.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8701 can.politics:9858
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.followup
Subject: Re: Americans on English schools in Quebec ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:56:11 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 767

From article <BxyGsy.FxM.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen):
> In article <BxxALE.B5K@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
> 
>    In article <BxvqzJ.77L.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>    >
>    >Quebec has no control over television shows, ...
> 
> There's a difference.  The number of companies that distribute .....

Please change subject header - this thread is no longer appropriate.

Thanks.
-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:23:24 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: CFL news
 <BxtF60.D6q@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <DNF=yF=@engin.umich.edu>

In article <DNF=yF=@engin.umich.edu>, marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
says:
>
>kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:
>> Playoffs started yesterday (November 15).
>>In the East Hamilton beat Ottawa 29 to 28.   [...]
>>
>>In the West, another close one. Edmonton defeated Saskatchewan by a score
>>of 22 to 20 (in Edmonton).   [...]
>>
>Anyone have any news about CIAU football?
>
>...mark young

Yes, it'll be the mighty Queen's Golden Gaels against some insignificant
team:)  (honestly I don't remember the name of the other team
maybe it's St Mary's, I'm not sure)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: jbutt@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Speakin French on Boards
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:32:49 GMT

To those who post in french.
Go right ahead, its nice for a change.
Merci et Au Revoir.

Jon Butt
Memorial University Nfld.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
Subject: ENOUGH (Was: GODFREY)
Keywords: DO NOT FOLLOWUP -- REPLY VIA EMAIL
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:00:04 GMT

I don't want to hear it anymore.... Godfrey has made enough ennemies and
I think it should STOP. He has proven that his opinion isn't even worth
the electricity that it costs to type it. So I say: F_U_C_K__H_I_M.

Let's get back to the rest of our lives....

And GODFREY, to finish :  I don't appreciate your breach of regard for this
group and for me.  POSTING a personnal mail is out of context. If you would
have at least inserted the Mail I was replying to.... And I don't get it...
you tell me (and the world) that I'm an UnderGrad that doesn't know anything
and you use my MAIL to show the WORLD you have someone that listens....

THIS IS THE END OF THE DISCUSSION

EMAIL ME IF YOU WANT BUT STOP POSTING ON THIS SUBJECT.
======================================================

Have a nice day everyone !!!

-- 
David Turgeon                        Computer Science Student
(819) 823-BILL                       University of Sherbrooke (Quebec)

"GOOD Judgment comes from experience....Experience comes from BAD Judgment"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam)
Subject: Fax/Tel nos of CRIM, Montreal ?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:47:51 GMT

Hello:

Could somebody pl give me the fax and tel nos of the Director of Projects, CRIM?

Thanks,

-- 
Srikant Subramaniam.
srikant@cs.usask.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: jbutt@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: re: Newfie food to U.S.
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:08:12 GMT

There may not be, but thats a good idea. Normally all we send the U.S. 
is fish, but there aren't a whole lot of them left.
JB

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: turgd00@DMI.USherb.CA (DAVID TURGEON)
Subject: Re: S p E a K i n G   F r E n C h   O n   N _ g R o U p S
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.060712.19172@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>In article <9211150231.AA01788@gch.ulaval.ca> pinto@gch.ulaval.ca (Jose-Henrique Pinto) writes:
>>
>>Hubert J Montas <montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote:
>>
>>        So, if people speak both French and English in Canada,
>>        why should French posts be outlawed?
>>
>>He is right when he says that people speak French and English 
>>in Canada.
>>
>>But they are not the same people. I have the impression people
>>in the West have very limited knowledge of the French language.
>>
>>Am I right or wrong?
>>
>
>      Salut Jose-Henrique! Tu sais, j'crois bien qu't'as raison, y'a vraiment
>un paquet d'Canadiens qui parlent qu'anglais ou que francais, ou meme qu'une
>autre langue. Alors, qu'est-ce qu'on fait? Ben, moi j'penses que c'est un
>devoir pour nous autres (les bilingues) de les instruires. Comment? Ben, ouais,
>en ecrivant des articles en francais sur le reseau!
>
>          ,
>     Sante,
>
>               Hubert.
>
>
>

Je suis entierement en accord avec toi !!!    Tout est en anglais et en 
Francais.... meme le "can of Beans" a Vancouver est dans les deux langues.

David 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Only in Canada you say ?
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:31:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.155607.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jbutt@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

   To those who say it was an absolute no;

   The accord was far to complex. In speaking to many other Canadians it 
   would have been far easier for us to vote on each individual section.

   Most people I talk to agree on native rights. The main problem ius 
   that every crying screaming group wanted to be represented in the 
   constitution. It shows how much influence, either actual or imagined. 
   these groups have in our governmental system.

   For example:
	   The constitution guarantees certain rights to all people, so I 
   have a right to no cruel or inhumane punishment, so does anybody in a 
   wheel chair, an aboriginal, a woman, a black, a franco phone. 

	   The whole damn country needs to realize that rights are for 
   everybody!!!

	   If you don't believe that, take the time to read the U.S. bill 
   of Rights. A quick examination of their constitution reveals that it 
   is a set of guidelines for running the country, not a place for every 
   special interest group. I love my country & we have done some 
   marvelous things with it, form Thompson to Trudeau, Vimy to Vancouver. 
   But maybe Clinton is right. Get rid of the Special Interest Groups.

The Canadian constitution had to address the original, binational
nature of Canada.  It seems reasonable to me that it address basic
aboriginal rights as well.

Not that the generality of the US consitution does not guarantee
non-discriminatory treatment of gays and women, while the Canadian
Charter of Rights does.

--
Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu
School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 681 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA
From: cathy@admin.acadiau.ca (CATHY MORINE-COLLINS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: canadian tv/australian programs
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:40:09 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


hi,
This may not be the right place to post this, if not I apologize, but I know
there are some Canadians in Australia who read this regularly.

We enjoy some of the Australian tv shows that are shown here, even if they 
are behind. We used to get 'HOME AND AWAY',also shown in Britain I believe,
but it has been cancelled. Please update on what is going on in the show.

Also, we get a show from the the mid 80's called 'COUNTRY PRACTICE'. How 
many years did it run for? I presume it is not still on.

You may email me directly if you want.

Thanks for the info.

Cathy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada