From: Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi
Subject: Re: POLL: 8-bit characters?
Organization: The Royal Imperial Mutual Alliance Consolidated Insurance Co Ltd
	<TT.92Jul15082535@tarzan.jyu.fi> <5145@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
	<PEM.92Jul24005911@meryl.DoCS.UU.SE>
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:49:49

In article <PEM.92Jul24005911@meryl.DoCS.UU.SE> pem@meryl.DoCS.UU.SE (Per-Erik Martin) writes:

>(which it does in this case, something stripped the high bit I guess) or
>as \3XX characters (since I'm reading news in Emacs).

>I suspect I'm not the only one reading news without fancy window systems.
>(I do occasionally work at the dept's workstations of course, but I don't
>read much news there.)

If you see those \3XX octal codes, the eighth bit has not yet been
stripped of. For example dveDVE would mean this.

We currently have the following setups to handle them inside emacs:

1) The X Window System, Epoch (Emacs variant), ISO 8859/1 X font and
   elisp code 'iso-latin-1.el' that allows us to enter those characters
   in weird way: to get an a" you need to press a and " and so on.

2) The X Window System, Epoch, ISO 8859/1 X font and a keyboard that
   outputs 8-bit codes -> no problemo.

3) Serial line. Emacs 18.57.17 that has been patched to allow entering
   of 8-bit codes. No problemo as long as you have can enter and view
   them correctly. Amiga owners shouldn't have had any problems since
   1985. For Windows or DOS one may need a dedicated terminal program
   or conversion tables. In Windows' Terminal you can see the characters
   but not enter them (I think).

   With 'iso-latin-1.el' code it is possible to enter 8-bit codes
   always no matter if you see them or not.

|   0 ^@ |  32    |  64  @ |  96  ` | 128  . | 160   | 192   | 224   |
|   1 ^A |  33  ! |  65  A |  97  a | 129  . | 161   | 193   | 225   |
|   2 ^B |  34  " |  66  B |  98  b | 130  . | 162   | 194   | 226   |
|   3 ^C |  35  # |  67  C |  99  c | 131  . | 163   | 195   | 227   |
|   4 ^D |  36  $ |  68  D | 100  d | 132  . | 164   | 196   | 228   |
|   5 ^E |  37  % |  69  E | 101  e | 133  . | 165   | 197   | 229   |
|   6 ^F |  38  & |  70  F | 102  f | 134  . | 166   | 198   | 230   |
|   7 ^G |  39  ' |  71  G | 103  g | 135  . | 167   | 199   | 231   |
|   8 ^H |  40  ( |  72  H | 104  h | 136  . | 168   | 200   | 232   |
|   9 ^I |  41  ) |  73  I | 105  i | 137  . | 169   | 201   | 233   |
|  10 ^J |  42  * |  74  J | 106  j | 138  . | 170   | 202   | 234   |
|  11 ^K |  43  + |  75  K | 107  k | 139  . | 171   | 203   | 235   |
|  12 ^L |  44  , |  76  L | 108  l | 140  . | 172   | 204   | 236   |
|  13 ^M |  45  - |  77  M | 109  m | 141  . | 173   | 205   | 237   |
|  14 ^N |  46  . |  78  N | 110  n | 142  . | 174   | 206   | 238   |
|  15 ^O |  47  / |  79  O | 111  o | 143  . | 175   | 207   | 239   |
|  16 ^P |  48  0 |  80  P | 112  p | 144  . | 176   | 208   | 240   |
|  17 ^Q |  49  1 |  81  Q | 113  q | 145  . | 177   | 209   | 241   |
|  18 ^R |  50  2 |  82  R | 114  r | 146  . | 178   | 210   | 242   |
|  19 ^S |  51  3 |  83  S | 115  s | 147  . | 179   | 211   | 243   |
|  20 ^T |  52  4 |  84  T | 116  t | 148  . | 180   | 212   | 244   |
|  21 ^U |  53  5 |  85  U | 117  u | 149  . | 181   | 213   | 245   |
|  22 ^V |  54  6 |  86  V | 118  v | 150  . | 182   | 214   | 246   |
|  23 ^W |  55  7 |  87  W | 119  w | 151  . | 183   | 215   | 247   |
|  24 ^X |  56  8 |  88  X | 120  x | 152  . | 184   | 216   | 248   |
|  25 ^Y |  57  9 |  89  Y | 121  y | 153  . | 185   | 217   | 249   |
|  26 ^Z |  58  : |  90  Z | 122  z | 154  . | 186   | 218   | 250   |
|  27 ^[ |  59  ; |  91  [ | 123  { | 155  . | 187   | 219   | 251   |
|  28 ^\ |  60  < |  92  \ | 124  | | 156  . | 188   | 220   | 252   |
|  29 ^] |  61  = |  93  ] | 125  } | 157  . | 189   | 221   | 253   |
|  30 ^^ |  62  > |  94  ^ | 126  ~ | 158  . | 190   | 222   | 254   |
|  31 ^_ |  63  ? |  95  _ | 127    | 159  . | 191   | 223   | 255   |
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