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From: jpp@StarConn.com (John Pettitt)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: In search of sushi
Date: 29 Jan 93 00:35:30 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

dc@.opus.com (Don Lundell) writes:
>After living in Tokyo for over a year, coming  back  to  American
>attempts  at  Japanese  restaurants  was  depressing.   The 'put-
>everything-on-the-menu' places are not like resturants in  Japan.
>In  my  search  for a  decent sushi-ya, people  recommended  Seto
>in Sunnyvale (mediocre); Miyake in Palo Alto (bad sushi and pain-
>fully  Californian,  with  mostly  non-Japanese  waiters  yelling
>Japanese - I think it's Japanese they're trying to  speak);  Fuki
>Sushi in Palo Alto (not a sushi-ya).

First I can't claim to have been to a Sushi place in Japan so I don't
have a standard to judge by.  However there is a place whose name
escapes me on El Camino about 1 or 2 blocks north of Lawrence Expressway
in Santa Clara.  We went in on a Sunday night and were the only non
Japanese patrons.  

As I said I can't claim to be an expert by the fesh was the freshest I
have ever had in a sushi place.  

No doubt somebody reading can put a name to the place.

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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: How do you clean a cheese grater? :)
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:06:27 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
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> ... one of those box kind, with all the little rough edges? I'm 
> sure there's got to be a better way than chewing up my sponges and 
> hands (when I slip). I figured I'd ask here....

A scrubbing-type dish sponge (e.g. Schotchbrite) is really
the best way.  The problem of course is you tear up the
sponge real bad.  So, use a sponge that's most the way
through its useful life rather than a new one.  When it's
become too shredded up, toss it.

Rather than the 4-sides ones, we have a grater that
consists of a shallow metal bowl, and a disk-shaped
grater that forms the top to the bowl.  More convenient
on all counts.

Steve
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Where do we Eat on the Peninsula??
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:06:04 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1993Jan22.180122.874@leland.Stanford.EDU> cgoldman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charles Goldman) writes:
>In article <42876@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) asks for
>late night, 'real' dining.
>
>Here are more suggestions: Fu Lam Mum (chinese) on Castro, near Dana
>in Mountain View.  open till midnight, I believe.  High quality
>chinese food at moderate prices.  Often full to capacity.  You may get
>bored with their menu if you go too often, but the food is good.  Try
>a clay pot with sea critters and tofu.
>
>Jing Jing (off University in Palo Alto, on Emerson) serves a very
>slightly abrdiged menu till 11:30 or midnight Tuesday through
>Saturday, I think.  Excellent for vegitarians and spicy food lovers.
>
>I second the nomination for DiCicco's.  Real food and real waiters/waitresses.
>>DiCicco's, an Italian restaurant on El Camino in Santa Clara between San
>>Tomas and Bowers. (note: depending on the direction you're coming from, 
  Bowers is also known as Kiely and Great America Pkwy)



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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Great International Ice Cream Place
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:23:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.045741.24412@netcom.com> mohang@netcom.com (Mohan Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>  I would like to reccomend an Ice Cream Place that I frequent in the 
>Santa Clara - Sunnyvale Area. It is called REAL ICE CREAM and is located
>at the corner of El Camino Real and Callabazas Blvd(half a block N of 
>Bowers/Kiely and about 2 locks S of Lawrence).

sorry - this place is not anywhere near the Sunnyvale area - its about 
1-2 miles from the heart of Santa Clara's government center

and yes, the ice cream's great

>It is behind the TACO
>Bell in the shopping Plaza. The Place serves some of the Best NON-
>TRADITIONAL ICE CREAMS(i.e. ones not found in BASKIN ROBBINS or 
>other places). FLAVORS INCLUDE LEECHY, MANGO, PISTACHIO, SAFFRON-PISTACHIO,
>AND A VARIETY OF ITALIAN SPECIALITY ICE CREAMS. The place also serves 
>some good tasting Indian Snacks(if you care). 

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From: bilan@netcom.com (Steve Bilan)
Subject: Re: Great International Ice Cream Place
Organization: Netcom
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:02:07 GMT

mohang@netcom.com (Mohan Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>  I would like to reccomend an Ice Cream Place that I frequent in the 
>Santa Clara - Sunnyvale Area. It is called REAL ICE CREAM and is located
>at the corner of El Camino Real and Callabazas Blvd(half a block N of 
>Bowers/Kiely and about 2 locks S of Lawrence). It is behind the TACO
>Bell in the shopping Plaza. The Place serves some of the Best NON-
>TRADITIONAL ICE CREAMS(i.e. ones not found in BASKIN ROBBINS or 
>other places).

Personally, I don't even see a need for 31 flavors.  The only ice
cream flavor I ever need or want is chocolate.


>FLAVORS INCLUDE LEECHY, MANGO, PISTACHIO, SAFFRON-PISTACHIO,
>AND A VARIETY OF ITALIAN SPECIALITY ICE CREAMS. The place also serves 
>some good tasting Indian Snacks(if you care). 

Leechy?  Mango?  Uggg?  I'll stick to chocolate.




M, BATR..
..Steve Bilan

Newsgroups: ba.food
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: East Bay Breakfast...
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:25:57 GMT

-
     Well, let me plug my favorite: the Homemade Cafe on Dwight and Sacramento,
I think.  I recommend the syrup covered entrees, especially the blueberry
pancakes, mostly because the home fries that come with the omelettes aren't
very good.  The omelettes themselves are just okay.

     This is a sticky table type of place, so don't expect Berkeley Yupscale
atmosphere.

							George


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From: chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (Stephen Chew)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: The most romantic BA restaurant
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:59:25 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan28.181012.9575@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, swwang@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sophia W Wang) writes:
|> linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
|> : Julius' Castle in San Francisco.  High up on a hill, intriguing location
|> : (I had _no_ idea where we were going when taken there for my birthday),
|> : formal but friendly service, beautiful presentation, 
|> : 
|>  I agree wholeheartedly! I took my SO there for his birthday, and he
|>  didn't know where we going either.

Just to give another view, I have heard many BAD things about Julius'
Castle.  They are arrogant (read snobby) and their food does not match 
the price tag.  It is located on the side of a hill and has a great view 
though.  I must say that *I* have never been there, I've just heard too 
many disappointments to try.

The place I have been to and have recommended in the past is 
Fluer dy Lys.  By far this is a place for a great meal, attentive
service and if you tell them it is a special occasion, they will
accomodate you.  One other netter followed my recommendation and 
was VERY pleased.  The interior is elegant yet cozy.  It is completely
carpeted (including the ceiling) you must see it.

If you like out of the way places, you could try Bella Vista.  This 
is five miles in the middle of no where. Literally. The food is good
and their souffle is great.  Very romantic.  It's in Woodard near 
92 (by Redwood City)
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From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:55:42 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

>Also, the coast highway that connects them,
>Highway One, has a nasty habit of washing out/landslides this time of
>year. It can take MONTHS to get such landslides fixed. Keep informed.
>
Ditto this warning.  The road has been closed, off and on,
ever since it started raining again.  Also, be warned that
some of the repairs are primitive.  (Heck, let's face it, the
whole road exists in defiance of god and nature!) 
And pull over, enjoy the view, and let us regular-1-drivers pass, 
now and then.  ;-)
>
Actually, heading south, the sequence of places is Monterey,
Carmel, Carmel Highlands (past Point Lobos, which is a must-see), 
then about 30 miles to Big Sur, then Nepenthe/Ventana, Lucia (nice 
cabins and good restaurant), Pacific Valley (featureless motel with
good view, nonmemorable restaurant), Gorda (cute store/coffee shop)
Ragged Point (magnificent view, nice motel, pretty awful
coffee shop/burger stand), Piedras Blancas (very '40's motel
and coffee shop that I haven't eaten at in 20 years...), San
Simeon, Cambria.


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From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Greek Food
Keywords: yiassoo ROCKS...
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:32:50 GMT
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

In article <1k6ljpINN7nf@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>yiassoo's gyros are excelllent, and i've also enjoyed their moussaka.
>the yiassoo in campbell is the original, and the other location is on
>saratoga-sunnyvale road near bollinger, the food is equally good at
>both locations, but the ambiance is a little better in campbell (the
>campbell location seems to be in an old house, while the cupertino
>one appears to be an old taco bell building).

That's because it is...

The gyros really should be lamb, though, not beef.  I get around that
by ordering their lamb sandwich.

I do wish the Cupertino location would get another Musak tape to play;
it has only about 6 selections of Greek music and in my average visit
I hear the whole thing two or three times through.

Charleen
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Where do we Eat on the Peninsula??
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:24:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.190604.29058@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.180122.874@leland.Stanford.EDU> cgoldman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charles Goldman) writes:
>>In article <42876@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) asks for
>>late night, 'real' dining.
>>
>>Here are more suggestions: Fu Lam Mum (chinese) on Castro, near Dana
>>in Mountain View.  open till midnight, I believe.  High quality
>>chinese food at moderate prices.  Often full to capacity.  You may get
>>bored with their menu if you go too often, but the food is good.  Try
>>a clay pot with sea critters and tofu.
>>
>>Jing Jing (off University in Palo Alto, on Emerson) serves a very
>>slightly abrdiged menu till 11:30 or midnight Tuesday through
>>Saturday, I think.  Excellent for vegitarians and spicy food lovers.
>>
>>I second the nomination for DiCicco's.  Real food and real waiters/waitresses.
>>>DiCicco's, an Italian restaurant on El Camino in Santa Clara between San
>>>Tomas and Bowers. (note: depending on the direction you're coming from, 
>  Bowers is also known as Kiely and Great America Pkwy)

I almost forgot - they make a good calzone too

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From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Fourth Street Grill
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:31:07 GMT

>>If others who read this newsgroup have recent experiences of
>>The Fourth Street, I would be very interested whether their views
>>are closer to mine or to those of the _Chronicle_ reviewer.
>
>I have gone to the Fourth Street Grill since the early 80s though
>not alot lately because we moved from Berkeley.  I was there for
>lunch one day this past summer and it was memorable - wonderful food
>and superb service.  I'm surprised at the Chron.

The Fourth Street Grill has gone a long way downhill, in stages.  It
was great when Mark Miller was chef.  It was really fine when Amey
Shaw was chef.  It hasn't been good since.

They suffer from both ill-conceived and poorly-prepared food.  The
"original" dishes, one of which was a favorite of mine: Yucatan
Sausages w/ shoestring potatoes,  aren't up to snuff.  I have found
rubber bands and metal twist-tie remnants in salads there.

The dishes that are new (not part of the Mark Miller repetoire) are
just not very good at all.  The ownership changed not long ago, and
things haven't improved.

With so many other places to go, like Lalime's, Chez Panisse, etc.
why bother with this amateurish place?
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:20:38 GMT

In article <1jppcnINN2e5@usenet.pa.dec.com> tsoi@lint.tus.dec.com (Stella M. Tsoi) writes:
>
>I saw some very nice B+B in Pacific Grove, somewhere in the vicinity of the
>American Canning Outlet, facing the ocean. It looked really nice on the outside anyway. You may want to check under Pacific Grove under AAA's tour guide. We stayed at hotels/motels at Monterey last couple of times and it was expensive and bland.
>
>Have anyone tried the Sardine Factory at Monterey?  I thought they are supposed
>to be pretty famous. We went to Outrigger's last time; the service was slow,
>the food mediocre.  I wouldn't recommend it.  Actually most of the restaurants/

sorry to hear that about the Outrigger - I've never had a bad/mediocre
meal there and the service has always been good (not slow)

>hotels in Monterey felt like tourist traps.  We did found one casual place for
>breakfast that was really good- it's right next to the factory outlet at Pacific
>Grove.  Can't remember the full name, but it has "hamburger" something in it.
>
>There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of restaurants or hotels around San
>Simeon.  As I recalled, we had to stop for gas in a teeny bit of a combo gas
>station/grocery store at San Simeon.  Felt like we were in hick country.
>
>Forgot how far Solvang is from San Simeon.  Maybe nice to detour there for
>food, lodging and sight-seeing.
>

yes, I agree - I enjoy browsing around in Solvang and trying some of the
restaurants that cater to 'Dutch' influenced food - the shops are great



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From: Jawara@Applelink.Apple.COM (Ron Drake)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: How do you clean a cheese grater? :)
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:53:58 GMT
Followup-To: ba.food
Organization: Me, The Whole Me and Nothing But

1. Soak in scalding hot soapy water for a few minutes.
2. Scrub the non-grating side thoroughly with a plastic pad.
3. Scrub the front with strokes that go in the non-grating direction.
4. Scrub across the front under each row of graters.
5. Turn over and scrub the back again.
6. Rinse.

A pain in the u-know-what but it gets the cheese out of the grating
cowls--especially steps 2 and 5 with a lot of elbow-grease.

--Automatic Dishwasher
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Monterey to San Simeon: food & lodging
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:02:25 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <42862@unix.SRI.COM> maslak@unix.SRI.COM (Valerie Maslak) writes:
>Monterey to San Simeon is a HUGE area: make sure you take out a good
>map and scope it out. Also, the coast highway that connects them,
>Highway One, has a nasty habit of washing out/landslides this time of
>year. It can take MONTHS to get such landslides fixed. Keep informed.
>

I'm afraid I have to agree - there's been another slide on hwy 1 in the 
Big Sur area, I Believe, & due to all the landslides and flooding that
are going on right now in Monterey County, CALTRANS doesn't know when
its going to be reopened - so travel on Hwy 1 is a day-to-day thing
right now

[stuff deleted ]

>There is a deli on Ocean Avenue in Carmel that will help you put
>together a great picnic for a day on the beach.

and the best thing is right now there's not much tourist trade going
on, and, when its not raining its one of the most beautiful times
to spend at the ocean (I think that's why I enjoy living by it so much)
you can go out and walk for miles along the beach - its great!!!

[more stuff deleted]

you know, with hwy 1 having problems, you could consider alternate 
plans - drive down hwy 1, stop at Moss Landing (Moss Landing Oyster Bar,
lots of antique shops - just before it is Baja pottery - then continue on 
down to the Monterey area and stay for a day or two and visit the wharf, 
cannery row, the aquarium, then on to Pacific Grove & Carmel for sightseeing
(both Monterey & Carmel have beautiful missions & historic places to see)
and beach walking - if the roads good then continue on to Big Sur and
San Simeon (due to the rains, I've heard there's problems around some of
the big homes in San Simeon) - if the roads aren't open, swing over to
hwy 101 and see some of the missions along the way, backtrack to San Juan
Bautista & Santa Cruz, or continue on to San Antonio, Soledad, San Luis 
Obispo and work you way up hwy 1 from there to San Simeon

there is another thought, take hwy 101 to Paso Robles and turn east on
149? to pick up 33 (you'll pass the James Daen Memorial, if you're
interested and some nice wineries - Arcero<sp> (racing family has one 
along this route) then turn south on 33 and pass through some very 
interesting towns and into the Ojai valley (where they filmed 'Lost
Horizons') and on into Solvang (Dutch city with windmills) and Santa Barbara

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From: yamauchi@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Alan Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: In search of sushi
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:32:32 GMT
Reply-To: yamauchi@mips.com
Distribution: ba
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In article <1993Jan26.235557.4513@opusys.uucp>, dc@.opus.com (Don Lundell) writes:
=> After living in Tokyo for over a year, coming  back  to  American
=> attempts  at  Japanese  restaurants  was  depressing.   The 'put-
=> everything-on-the-menu' places are not like resturants in  Japan.
=> In  my  search  for a  decent sushi-ya, people  recommended  Seto
=> in Sunnyvale (mediocre); Miyake in Palo Alto (bad sushi and pain-
=> fully  Californian,  with  mostly  non-Japanese  waiters  yelling
=> Japanese - I think it's Japanese they're trying to  speak);

You think the Miyake in PA is bad, don't even think of going to the one in
Cupertino.  By far THE WORST sushi, I've ever had; old fish on plain rice.

=> Fuki Sushi in Palo Alto (not a sushi-ya).

Have to agree with you on your assesments.

=> Does anybody know of a good sushi joint?

Ikenohana in Cupertino used to be pretty good, but it's been so long I
can't recommend it on recent experience.  Not a sushi-ya, as you're
looking for tho'.  You might try Tomi Sushi next to Yaohan at 
Moorpark and Saratoga Ave in Santa Clara.  Usually pretty good and 
fresh.  Again, this is not a sushi-ya as you would find in Japan.  

=> I think the problem may be the lack of  available  fresh  fish  -
=> most of it is flown in from other parts of the world.  I would be
=> able to put up with the cultural mismatch, I could  even  put  up
=> teriyaki on the menu, if I could get good sushi. Help!
=> 
=> Also, does anyone know of an okonomiyaki place in the Bay Area?

Izumiya in SF J-town serves okonomiyaki, but I haven't tried it.  Not one 
of the things I miss from Japan.  Yaohan in Santa Clara has the box mixes
if you're into those things.  They also have reasonably fresh fish so if
you give up looking for "authentic" sushi, you can always make your own. 

Good Luck!!!

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From: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu (anne Jessop)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Rockridge dining...
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:39:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Originator: annie@garnet.berkeley.edu



After reading the recs for eating in the Rockridge area, and having lived
there and done some dining myself, the best rec I can come up with is:
(drum roll)
Shop at the Yuppatorium (tm) [otherwise known as Market Hall]
Go home and cook it yerself.

That's all there is to it.
-Annie