From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: marvel toons in general/xmen bashing included
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:15:13 GMT

In article <mumble> wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:

>I'm sure everyone has noticed that Marvel doesn't leave there own stuff
>alone when they make a live-action or animated version of it.

Actually, from what I've heard the problem is that Marvel doesn't get
to keep much creative control over their licensed shows, which is why
they get changed so much (Hollywood gets its grubby paws on it and
"improves" it....)

[...]

>now the Xmen.
>Hmm... i thought the Sentinels were from the future... during the pheonix
>time traveling era of the xmen. not created by the government.

You haven't been reading X-Men for very long - the Sentinels are from
the 70's (maybe early 80's; it was before I got into comic books) and
were originally built by Trask (as seen in the animated show), though
I don't remember if they initially were for the government or not; in
the 80's the government did sponsor Sentinel construction but they
were built by Shaw Industries, not Trask (since he was dead by then).

>the X-men should know what a sentinel is, and they know how to fight them.
>(Gilroy tried to use sentinels against the X-men about a year ago...didn't
>work to well)

The show isn't even attempting to fit into the comic book continuity
anywhere so its perfectly reasonable that this is their first
encounter with Sentinels.  Several comments Xaiver made in the show
indicated that this is the first time the X-Men have done much of
anything, much less fight Sentinels.

>Since when is storm a prophet/preacher/snob?

She was pretty much that way in the "old days".

>Where is Forge?! he only proposed to Storm!

Obviously they haven't met yet in the timeline the show is using.  I
think Forge is supposed to show up in a future episode though.

>The show makes the xmen out to be a bunch of ameteurs just starting out.

They apparently are just starting out - what's the problem with that?
It's difficult to attract viewers who aren't familiar with the
characters and background if you just drop them into the middle of the
timeline without setting things up first.

>I'm getting sick of Marvel butchering their own stuff.
>If i'm a fan of a popular comic for example... know what's going on
>who the characters are, i don't want a introduction/alternate plotline.

TV shows aren't being made for the comic fans though - they're trying
to drag in people who aren't familiar with the comic books so they
have to set things up.  Keeping a continuity seperate from that of the
comic books makes life easier for everyone involved (the scheduling
necessary to coordinate the shows with the comic books would be
horrendous I'm sure.)

>most of marvel is not "kids stuff", lots of violence, long plot lines
>and references etc. 

Your opinion of course; X-Men used to pretty mature but the last
couple of years it (and most of Marvel comics IMHO) have regressed
into "kids stuff", primarily mindless violence with no plot lines....

>I think to do it right X-men should be animated alot better, broadcast at
>a different time, and follow the current happenings of the Marvel universe.

My dream X-Men show would follow the X-Men storylines from about 10
years ago back when it was a great comic book - I'd settle for
mediocre animation if they were to do that....

>oh yah... what happened to beast?? is he still frying on that fence?

They showed him in a cell later on in the episode; Gryich wants to
question him and Beast tells him to stuff it.  The next episode or the
one after that (if we ever get to see them) deals with Beast on trial
for his "criminal acts".



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