From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: I stand by myself. :) Re: I stand by CSSFA.
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:10:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxJ4oz.6A1
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Calm down, Yungui. The terrible misunderstanding on your 
part led to a too late education of me by you. :-)

I might be better than you in some aspects, just as you are
better than me in some others. But this doesn't make me a
saint or a spokeman for anybody else than myself. If you
got the opposite impression, it was really you that made some
mistakes.

In article <ding.721439048@pv7412.vincent.iastate.edu> ding@iastate.edu (Yungui Ding) writes:
>Zhiqi used the ISU CSSFA as example in his postings in the 
>newsgroup of SCC.  As the President of this organization, I feel
>obliged to reply to his posting in that newgroup.  
>The following is a copy of my post to SCC, here posted for my
>fellow friends at ISU to read.  For Zhiqi's original message,
>please go to SCC, which I sometimes read.
>
>
>Yungui Ding
>CSSFA President
>
>--------------------------------------------------------forward begin 
>From soc.culture.china Tue Nov 10 17:25:15 1992
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>From: ding@iastate.edu (Yungui Ding)
>Subject: Re: Comment: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:12:00 GMT
>Lines: 67
>
>In <BxHLrA.n0v@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>>I don't know about a few other universities that had students attend
>>the meeting. But the "delegation" from ISU was NOT picked up by election.
>
>I guess you are questoning the legitimacy of the ISU Delegation to 

No, I was not. 

>the IFCSS Congress.  Although this is only an internal issue of ISU,
>I am still more than happy to answer/comment on your question raised here.
>First of all, read your own sentence below:
>
>>the elected president is supposed to be the represent of his people, 
>                                                     ^ive


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"the president" was the president of the United States, not Yungui. :-) 
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>If you have to agree with what you have said yourself, you also have
>to agree that the elected president of ISU CSS organization is supposed
>to be the representative of his members.

I don't have to. I must. :-(

>Secondly, you are not--you have never been--a member of the local
>CSS organization, therefore you are not in a good position to complain
>about such organization and its operation.  However, I still would like
>to give you an education about the local CSS organization, so as to let 

Don't take me wrong, Yungui. Many LYH Gao1Gan4 are my friends, 
including you. I got the education from them already.

>you realize that there are more homework for you to do next time before
>you take local issues to the national level.

I stated just a very simple truth. I SAID NOTHING WRONG about you IN 
THAT POSTER. I HAVE TO post the poster here in its whole shape, to clear 
up my fame. :-((

>The ISU CSS Friendship Association may be the few local organizations
>that not only realizes the importance of democractic principles but also
>wants to practice on the grassroot level sincerely.  We currently have
>our Board of Representatives (originally named Senate) which serves, 
>as one of its duties, as a power-balancer (if we have any power :-).
>The executive committee of the Association takes the daily operational
>duty, and it has to consult to the Board for important matters.
>A general vote is the last resort reserved for most significant matters.
>
>As for this year's Congress of IFCSS, we formed our delegation after
>we discussed the matter in our working meeting (held in Big Creek lake,
>for your reference) attended by all executive committee members and
>all the representatives.  In fact, both the President of the Associaton
>and one of the two chairs of the Board were in the delegation.
>We think it is completely legetimate that we have sent our delegation
>to the meeting.  I don't know about other school and their delegations.
>We were quite serious in our own business.
>
>Coming back from the Congress, we reported our voting record to the
>members of the Association in our Newletter, as we usually do for all
>other activities.  It is always our policy that the Association is 
>open to its members for various matters.  And we have been.
>As for this issue, during all the process, we have not received
>any opposition from our members.  Although we heard opposition once
>from some governmental officials, we regarded it as irrelevant to the
>operation of this independent organization.
>
>I forgive Zhiqi's ignorance of the local Association's affairs, because

No, you have no need to forgive me for my right statement. :-) 

>I understand that he is too busy in his own business such as serving as
>a spokesman in SCC as well as studying hard in his class (he is an

HA! HA! HA!

>excellent student).  I also would like to recommend to him:
>don't tend to behave like a suprior.  I believe you and I and many others

Too bad: you told me this before I tell you.

>are all so willing to learn something in this country such as the stuff
>called democracy.  Although there are imperfections in this process of
>learning and practice, it is always better to do than to sit there and 
>point fingers at others.  We Chinese so-called intellectuals talk, hence 
>attack each other's theory, too much.  I don't want to say that you are 
>always negative, but do something to let me think otherwise.  

I'm a positive and optimistic person. Obviously, we need to talk in 
order to confirm it. :-)

BTW, do more before talk too much of Mr. Democracy. We can't forget
Mr. Science.