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From: eunderko@jarthur.claremont.edu (Erik Underkofler)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:52:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.033554.11781@data-io.com> dietz@Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
>Also, I hear that the Spruce Goose (Howard Hughes' colossal wooden float
>plane) is being (or has been moved) to McMinnville.  Anyone heard any 
>details on this?  My father-in-law swears that he was in the San Fransisco
>Bay aboard the USS Helena when the Goose took its flight into infamy.  Says
>he came on deck just as the plane cleared the water.  Cool, huh?
>
>Kent Dietz
>Naturalized Native of Junction City (home of the world-famous Scandinavian
>Festival <- culture?)

The Spruce Goose has been taken apart, stuck in a barge and is either on its
way, or is already in Oregon.

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From: mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (The Amazing Immolating Man)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:14:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Nov17.232135.250@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>Seems like we've attracted a lot of transplanted Oregonians out there.
>So here's a question:
>
>What do you miss most about the Beaver State?

I've been living in the great grey land of Massachusetts, and I have
to say that I miss green things the most. Trees that don't turn brown
and dead during the winter, open land that isn't covered with parking
lots, all that kind of thing...

Josh Brandt, from Stayton (if you know where that is...)

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From: orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne)
Subject: Re: Why Anti-California?
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:40:07 GMT

One bitter reason that Oregonians are anti-Californian is that Cali has
been seriously trying to get the Willamette River diverted down South. This
has created a sense that, basically, California should be quarantined. 

Other reasons include the flow of guns, bad drugs, and gangsters. A
Portland cop tells me there are three or four drive-by shootings a day now.
Rumor has it that Cali mobsters are getting a monopoly on pot, and probably
other drugs as well, moving it from Mexico up to Oregon. A little birdie
tells me that the bud is much lesser quality than the home grown.

There're the manners of Californian drivers, developers, land-purchasers,
tourists, etc. to consider. Middle-class Californians can be fairly wealthy
Oregonians, and arrogant ones at that. Nouveau riche burgois can be very
bad ambassadors for any state.

I ought to clarify that the sentiment is against SoCal, really. Northern
California has been spared for the most part. If they'd get on with dividing
up the state, relations would greatly improve.

Theus (orpheus@reed.edu)

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From: albert@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories -- Database Research Dept
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:35:17 GMT

In article <1eei6vINN3sm@caldera.usc.edu> dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov18.021952.29473@leland.Stanford.EDU>, lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd) writes:
>|> 
>|> Hey... about Corvallis... you forgot Woodstock's Pizza!
>|> 
>
>Ah yes!!  And the Beanery...
>
>Daniel

Hmmm, I always thought that hte Beanery and Corvallis were synonymous :-)

joseph albert
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Re: Oregon is the best (after B.C)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:20:21 GMT

Places to be:

Marys Peak (overlooking Corvallis and Philomath) at dusk on Independence Day
	See displays from south of Eugene to north of Salem.

	Marys Peak is the tallest point in the Coast Range, the mountains
	that separate the Willamette Valley from the Pacific Ocean.  On a 
	clear day (and they do come in Oregon) you can see Shasta to the south
	and Mount Rainier to the North and everything in between.  Turn around
	and on an exceptional day you can see the ocean, with waves crashing! 
	With the naked eye!	Truly awesome.

	I remember one Christmas, about 5 years ago, when the valley (my mom
	lives in Corvallis, where we all gather for the holiday) was suffering
	from below freezing weather.  It was incredibly clear though.  We decided
	to go to the Peak.  With snow on the ground, we were ready with our
	heavy coats and gloves.  Due to some meteorlogical fluke, it just happend
	to be about 65 degrees -- kids were going without their shirts!  And
	you could see forever!  Memories to die with!

Kent Dietz
Junction City (Class of 1980), OSU (Class of 1985)
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:05:46 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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In article <1992Nov17.212652.9570@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>There's a good idea for this newsgroup!  Let's put together an FAQ for
>pronunciation of Oregon cities.  I cringe when I hear people 
>mis-pronounce Tigard.  (Correct: TIE-gard, Incorrect: tiggerd).
>
>Here's a start:
>Salem  SAY-lem
>Portland  PORT-lund.
>Eugene  you-GENE
>Oregon City  OR-uh-gun SIT-ee  (gun, not gone)
>Metzger  METZ-ger

Perhaps adding Aloha and The Dalles would be appropriate.

>
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From: ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
Subject: Re: Wanna Scare Off Californians?
Summary: Californians go home!
Keywords: Taxes
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:21:02 GMT


Here is a suggestion for you Oregonians desperate to keep out
those people from the south. It is not original. I believe a
few years ago, a commentator for the Seattle Time-PI Emmett
Watson suggested levying a TAX on all incoming Californians.
I heard that column raised a big stink! :-)

I vacationed in Oregon a few years back. It is a great place to get
away from people (which is what I wanted at the time) and the beaches
are a bit easier to get to than in Washington (my "home state" -
actually I was an Army brat).

Cheers!

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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:37:16 GMT
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In article <1992Nov18.173019.2862@cs.sfu.ca> shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell) writes:
>I always felt the best example of Oregonian culture was a poster ad
>program I once saw in Portland. The poster showed a fellow in a big
>overcoat, from the back, standing in front of a statue, with the coat
>open. The caption underneath read, "Expose Yourself To Art".
>
>The interesting thing about this poster, as far as I remember,
>(and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), was that the fellow
>who posed as the flasher in this poster went on to become the mayor
>of Portland. Sort of like the guy who became the president of
>Czechoslovakia for a while there, the poet.

That was Bud Clark (?) if I am not mistaken (not a Portlander myself).


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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Why Anti-California?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:00:34 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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In article <1ecpp5INN7bl@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
>In article <1ech9dINNpa@agate.berkeley.edu> lindaa@portent.Berkeley.EDU (Linda Absher) writes:
>>As a transplanted Californian, I'm curious as to why the anti-Californian
>>sentiment is so strong in Oregon.  I've read about it often, but have not
>>actually experienced this feeling during my visits to Portland (or is 
>>Portland akin to San Francisco in that it is not representative of the
>>state as a whole?)  
>
>large piece population wise.  The anit-california sentiment is really
>only half-serious... it is a fear that the continuing droves of retiring
>Californians with lots of cash will overrun our beautiful state and
>cause all sorts of problems: high property prices due to high purchasing
>power of CA money because of high CA prop. values relative to OR prices,
>voting down school-funding (retirees w/o kids), overcrowding, higher
>crime rates (doubtful), more cars, etc., etc.  I don't think that most
>people are completely serious about being anti-CA, but there is some
>legitimate fear especially amoung the smaller communities.  

This is EXACTLY what happened in my home town of Ashland.  Now it is
a half-yuppie, half-geriatric community.  Property prices and taxes have
skyrocketed, housing shortages are severe, making it virtually impossible
to find reasonably priced rental properties, pushing more and more of the
poorer residents into the semi-rural trailer parks in the surrounding 
areas, school funding has been cut by the old folx too.  Tourism is one
thing (that I can live with) but then all these people go "oh what a 
quaint little town, let's get a summer house!"  Ack.

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From: shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:30:19 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.182512.11421@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.E
D
U (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>Wow!  An oregon newsgroup...
>
>I was a bit surprised to see the word 'culture' in the same sentence
>as 'oregon' tho.
>

I always felt the best example of Oregonian culture was a poster ad
program I once saw in Portland. The poster showed a fellow in a big
overcoat, from the back, standing in front of a statue, with the coat
open. The caption underneath read, "Expose Yourself To Art".

The interesting thing about this poster, as far as I remember,
(and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), was that the fellow
who posed as the flasher in this poster went on to become the mayor
of Portland. Sort of like the guy who became the president of
Czechoslovakia for a while there, the poet.

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From: albert@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Albert)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories -- Database Research Dept
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.201418.26999@leland.Stanford.EDU> hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen) writes:
>
>how please to pronounce the following word:
>
>
>                   TUALATIN
>
>
>e.
>
>ps:  Thank you!  I am not
>from Oregon, but Washington.


tu-AHH-la-ton

a few others that are often mispronounced:

Alsea == AL-see  (not al-SEE-ah)

Philomath == fih-LO-muth  (not FI-lo-MATH)

Willamette (will-AMM-it)  (not pronounced like Williamette w/o the `i')

The Dalles == The Dalz  (not The Dallas)


joseph albert
albert@hplabs.hp.com
From: aalto@ocf.berkeley.edu (Rolf Aalto)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: California Vermin
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:31:28 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <wxnqlkg@lynx.unm.edu> benner@hydra.unm.edu (John Benner) writes:
>The Anti-Californian sentiment is very apparent here in New Mexico as
>well, although not as strong as in Oregon. We are getting an influx of
>the vermin here and in Colorado too.
>
   I grew up near Arcata, California (60 miles south of Oregon), the cultural
capitol of Humboldt County (we have more starving artists per capita than 
anywhere else in California).   I've travelled quite a bit throughout the
US, and find it annoying that to most people, California = LA, 
and Northern California = the Bay Area.  It is especially annoying when
Californians do this.  Frisco is Central California!!!!   

	California must have been a nice place 100 years ago, but it sucks
big time now.  I'm just getting my tax dollars back in the form of a UC Berkeley
education, and then I'm out of here -- to grad school in Seattle.  

	I hate warm, dry weather.    It brings out the worst in people.

I sincerely hope that someday rural Northern California (almost half the state)
joins rural southern Oregon to form a new state (yes, it has been tried before).

	Rural northern New Englanders discourage city folks from moving to the
country by occasionally "mistaking" them for deer and shooting them.  Perhaps
such drastic measures would work out west too. :-)

	But seriously, how can we discourage the urbanites and suburbanites
from subdiving and paving what is still beautiful?   Any ideas?
From: abosse@reed.edu (Arno Bosse)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: What is there to DO in Portland?
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:09:57 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


Umm, some thoughts from distant Germany..

watch rocky horror in selwood (?) performed live on saturdays, ride a
freight train to san francisco , see some pretty damn good theater at a
lot of small places, climb the radio towers on the west hills, eat cheap
in china town, buy useless thuings you don't need but that are great
anyway at dozens of 2nd hand stores, esp. ivisit a brewery for a tour and
free beer, go to mount hood , try skinny dipping at hot sprimgs all around
the gorge, get a cheap mienarl bath and massage at Carson's, eat great
Vietnamese food in SW, or Very cheap noodles on Powell..(I always seem to
come back to food..)

Let me know if you need specific addresses or directions..


cheers,

Arno
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 06:29:35 GMT

In article <Bxy0Eq.8A0@rice.edu> dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.232135.250@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>>What do you miss most about the Beaver State?
>
>Silence 
>Seasons
>Cougar Hot Springs (about an hour into the mountains from
>       Eugene). 
>UO HC. (If you don't know, you won't understand).
>Oregon Bach Festival.
>_Jesu meine Freude_ a cappella in the Chapman Hall stairway
>the bell at the 3rd floor window in Chapman 
>DeFrisco's on warm summer evenings
>Hot chocolate at the Glenwood on cold winter evenings
>chili at Guido's
>cheap lunches at Bamboo Pavilion
>Animal House in 150 Geology
>Rocky & Bullwinkle in 180 PLC  - booing Snidely Whiplash with 400 of
>       your comrades.
>
>
>(formerly dboyes@drizzle.cs.uoregon.edu, or
>556@oregon1, or [10377,556].
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>David Boyes
>dboyes@rice.edu

UO HC?  You must be one of those intellectual types.  I had a couple of 
friends that did that thing...  Said the lounge attracted a few of the goofy
ones.

Bill


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From: mcginnis-john@cs.yale.edu (mcginni)
Subject: Re: Influx of Californians?  Gee--what a surprise!
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:48:42 GMT


In article <1eknapINNope@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:

> Path: cs.yale.edu!yale!not-for-mail
> From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
> Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
> Date: 21 Nov 1992 02:09:13 -0500
> Organization: Yale University
> Lines: 32
> References: <1992Nov20.111347.24071@cs.ucla.edu>
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> 
> In article <1992Nov20.111347.24071@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
> >I don't see why everyone is so surprised that neighboring states are
> >experiencing a sizeable influx of Californians--what would you expect?
> >Wyomingans?  
> 
> I personally am not surprised - I mean, if you live in a pit, but you
> are free to move to a paradise.... No I don't think the general
> sentiment being echoed here is surprise - it is more along the lines of
> unhappiness - unhappiness in seeing what the flow of Californians is
> doing to the state.
> 
> >
> >California is the most populous state in the nation, and much larger than its
> >neighbors.  If you assume that CAers move out of state as much as everyone
> >else, then naturally surrounding states will see a large inflow.
> 
> Maybe... but why can't they go back to where they came from in the first
> place? :)   They went to California lookin' for gold, found nothing, and
> now want to come to Oregon... I've been torturing my brain trying to
> think of some way to fix this problem, and come up with zip... maybe a
> bubonic plague scare or something... a band of really hostile loggers
> listening to "A Country Boy Can Survive" on repeat at the OR-CA border
> as a welcoming committee?  I still wish the 'Visit... but Don't Stay'
> sign could have went up... really.
> 

Anybody remember the Henry's commercials from the early 80's, where a
couple of guys would try to smuggle in some out of state beer in a
truck, and there would always be this State Trooper waiting for them
making them go back?  Well, we could do that with Californians...
Just hire some more State Police (paying for them with taxes levied
on Californians who already moved up) and then use them to turn back
every moving van at the border.  I suppose we should let Californians
visit, so they can find out what they are really missing and all, but
there is no way I want them to live in Oregon.

:-)

- mcginni
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From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: transplanted...
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:15:18 GMT

In article <flamer.722534150@mithril> flamer@mithril.intel.com (Jim Trethewey @mithril) writes:
>higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa) writes:
>>>Aloha!  I'm so gratified to see my little ol' hometown on this newsgroup.
>>>Oh, and here's another pronunciation: "Uh-loh-uh", not "Ul-loh-hah".  We're
>>>not Hawaiian, ya know.
>>What's this anti-Islander s***?  Huh?  Huh?
>>Nah nah nah.  But where does the name come from, that the "h" in Aloha, OR
>>is silent?  Someone told me that it was the name of a railroad junction and
>>town came to called by that name.  The resemblance is uncanny.
>
>There's actually an interesting story behind this!  The town was originally
>called ALOAH, and this is why people pronounce it that way.  When they
>first applied to the US Postal Service to have a post office set up there,
>somebody in Washington DC flubbed it and returned the approved application 
>and the related materials (especially Cancellation Stampers) with it spelled
>as ALOHA.  Rather than fight the mistake, the locals went with it, and the
>rest is history.  I read this in an historical article in the Beaverton 
>Valley Times sometime in the last 4 years.
>So, It has absolutely nothing to do with Hawaiian.

Thanks Jim!  That answered my question and then some.
I guess the postal clerk who flubbed their application must've had
a dream of paradise the night before he processed the application.
Even then, Hawaii was popular... :-D  
And I guess even then, Oregonians thought of their state as paradise.
(And it is, believe me.)  Symbolism, anyone?

The mad Islander,

-- 
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higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
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From: mholling@pollux.usc.edu (Michelle Hollinger)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:44:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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I really miss the people from my hometown of Portland.

Just out of curiosity, are there any native Oregonians out here in LA. 
Maybe we could get together and have a six-pack of Henry's.

							Michelle
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From: bob@xdev.sunspot.noao.edu (Bob Riegelmann)
Subject: Re: Woodstocks Pizza
Organization: Computer, Hardware and Observatory Support
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.195202.8874@netnews.synoptics.com> franks@synoptics.com writes:
>In article 2@cs.cmu.edu, bsy+@CS.CMU.EDU (Bennet Yee) writes:
>>I still fondly recall the time when I got disgusted by the residence
>>hall ``food'' and got Woodstocks pizza for an entire week.  Five
>>toppings Moo U special.  Yummers!  Of course, it didn't exactly help
>>my weight any....
>
>A friend of mine used to call 'stocks quite a bit.  I mean a lot.  It got
>to the point that he would call and before they could say
>"canyouholdplease", he'd blurt out "THISISLARRY".  They would then
>invariably then say "Oh, yeah, a Moo U to the place on Western 
>Boulevard with the blue porch light"
>
>Larry got to be quite a big guy.  It didn't help that Walts Market
>was just accross the street with a hefty selection of beer.

Ah, the fond memories of Hacking away in the computer cave, drinking brandy
and coffee while debuging the latest non-working pascal program.  Taking
off for mary's peak with the Gott 50 Gallon cooler full of "Spams in Cans"

Neither larry or I are any smaller.  I assure you, I was his roomate...
Not that I ever slept there...

Bob

P.S. to Frank, I'm going to be instate for christmas++ are you headed home?
I'll hit PDX on Dec 12 and leave Jan 4.


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