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From: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Alfaro)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Vocal eyes
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:24:25 GMT
Reply-To: Rick.Alfaro@f8.n369.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:369/8 - The Catwalk BBS, Davie FL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23872

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 TW> rick installed the new vocal eyes on the bbs machine. even with
 TW> autoloading off and voice off it has a bad habbit of starting
 TW> to say line feed line feed line feed and I don't know how to
 TW> shut that up.

Tandy,

Pop up your vocal eyes control pannel and go to screen and then to
punctuation.  Under the punctuation sub-menu make sure you have space,
control, and enhanced set to off.  As a matter of fact, the best results
in my opinion for the bbs are achieved by setting all of the punctuation
settings to off.  It soiunds like you might have control set to
something other than off.  Let me know if that is the case...

Regards,
Rick

... Strike any user when ready . . .

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From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Poll
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:36:30 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23930

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 DL>   ANY monitoring of ANY phone call by way of voice etc can be seen as a
 DL>   invasion of privacy at least in florida where we have a strong state
 DL>   privacy law.

Daniel, have you read the Customer Pages (White Pages) in the front
of your phone book?  There are several paragraphs explaining this.
As a former SW Bell and AT&T employee, I do know for a fact the
phone companies do monitor phone calls (whether they be voice, TT
or modem) randomly - they have the right to do this to check out
how things are working.  They are not intruding on our privacy
by doing this as they are not doing it on purpose to listen to
our conversations.

This includes ALL regional Bell companies and ALL long distance
carriers among other independent local exchanges such as GTE, etc.

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From: Hugues.Blanchet@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org (Hugues Blanchet)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Brs: Invasion Of Privacy
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:30:25 GMT
Reply-To: Hugues.Blanchet@f136.n167.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:167/136 - Ab.'s Place, Montreal PQ
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23902

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Great Leti!!

LL>Steven, all phone calls are not recorded on magnetic tape.  There are so man
LL>calls that happen concurrently, and the magnitude of total calls is so large
LL>that capturing all conversations on tape would be impossible.

I knew Steven was completely out of it and that's the reason I didn't
even answer...

LL> However, you ARE correct when you say that phone companies have to
LL> comply with government laws and restrictions.  But telephone
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LL>companies CANNOT monitor the phone lines to prevent "obscene phone
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LL>calls, murderers, robberies, etc."  Under those cases, they can only
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LL>monitor if there is a specific reason to suspect wrongdoing.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh Ho!!! There must be a bunch of deaf criminals in Montreal then!!! :-)

LL>However, I DO believe that random monitoring of the lines is done, to
LL>ensure that connections are clear and free of echo, etc.  The content
LL>of this monitoring must be kept confidential

And what happens if the monitoring is TDD's?   And what if the ONLY
reason is to "evaluate the quality of the service"?  So it IS illegal
just like I knew.  It isn't hard to understand that it's illegal when
you already know that even the police departments need a warrant from a
juge to tap a phone line!!! And the PHONE COMPANIES have MORE rights
then everybody else??? This is completely STUPID and UNLOGICAL!  Why
should a phone company have MORE rights than anybody else??? Because
it's THEIR communication system?  And what the h@ll do we pay our phone
bills for? To have our conversations tapped???

Thanks for your input Leti! I'll keep everybody posted on what is
happening up here in Montreal... soon....

Regards,

Hugues

 * SLMR 2.1a * BRS: Countdown to the annihilation of the Monitoring sys.

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From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Windows access maybe
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:03:40 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23736

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 Quoting Marvin Rush to David Tanner 26 Jul 92 23:24:04

 MR> you haven't seen it that sure doesn't mean that it's vapor ware.

No, it means that it probably doesn't work.  Or if it does, why doesn't
good old David put out a Demo.  And I can assure you that
Synthavoice's reputation here in the United States has a hell of a
lot to be desired.  Not many people are going to send David $500.00
when he doesn't have a demo.  And why doesn't he?  Maybe he's afraid
that we'll find out what it's really like, how it really works.  Just
like the Nomad. It sure the heck was vaporware. David told me time and
time again what drives it would have, and all about it. But it never
materialized, like so many items from this company.I ask you, Marvin, if
Synthavoice has such good products, where are their U.S. users?  And why
don't I hear all of them talking about it?  A few years ago I read an
article in Technology Update that talked about even the Canadian
Government having problems with Synthavvoice.  The fact is,
Slimware cannot compete with all our screen readers and synthesizers. It
may sell in Canada, but too many people down here have seen too many
broken promises from this company. Synthavoice is 99.9 percent talk.
Keith Bucher.

... Warning:Trespassers will be violated.

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From: Roberto.Ramos@f71.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Roberto Ramos)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: I Am Deaf
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: Roberto.Ramos@f71.n382.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/71 - BitStream, Round Rock Tx
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23904

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

LG>I would like to answer all the people who have been complaining that I hate
LG>the deaf.  These are obviously people who have just started
LG>following my messages reccently.  Let me say -- I do not
LG>hate the deaf.  I AM DEAF!!  Before I lost my hearing, I
LG>was a music lover, and sometimes I think of the outdoor
LG>summer concerts in Philadelphia's Robin Hood Dell.  I think
LG>of the warm summer nights and the Philadelphia Ochestra and
LG>David Oistrakh playing Beethoven's violin concerto, and I
LG>cry.  Then I think of the sound of the rain on the roof and
LG>the wind in the treetops and the surf on the beach, and I
LG>cry again.  Then I pick up a magazine and I read some idiot
LG>telling me what a wonderful "culture" it is to be deaf..

Laurel, I do know this. You tell a Mexican-American you don't
hate him. In the same breath you call him an idiot for extolling
his culture, he'll believe you do hate him. There are pluses and minuses
in every cultural group. That doesn't mean one is better than the other.
Nor does it mean that you're an idiot for thinking your particular
culture is wonderful. To quote, Jim, "It's a mighty poor frog who can't
praise his own pond." From what I'm told, Deaf people (do they really
use a capital "D?") in general are just like others. You have some
fine people, you have some not so fine people. Like anyone else,
they have different appreciations than certain other people. From
my lurking, it seems there is as much hatred from "normal" thinking
deaf toward Deaf people who just want to be deaf as the other way
around. A shame really because I've met some of the better ones on
both sides. Oh well, nothing new. People always find reasons to
disagree and war with one another. If it isn't color, it's creed,
or religion. I read once two Indian tribes in South America got
into killing each other because of a beach worm back in 1860. Seems
the things were a delicacy. They grew bred in extreme abundance but
the tribes still found cause to go at each other's throats.
     This reminds me of factionism inthe barrio. It's so silly it
borders on the ridiculous.
___
 X SLMR 2.0 X Some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug

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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: nls book selection
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:00:59 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23680

The people do their book selection to as closely as possibly
emulate a small town library.
Unfortunately most of us don't live in small towns and
what's more that kind of emulation will keep our unemployment figures
in the high 80's for the foreseeable future with or without the A.D.A.
It's interesting what the bush administration took out of the original
A.D.A. as I understand it originally a provision was written that
stated that computers for the blind were a communications necessity.
I think you can guess why that was removed.
We will need to find out what other provisions were ripped out
by the bean counters since it may come to pass that because those
provisions were deleted it constitutes major employment barriers
for our group as well as others.  This should be on agenda for
future action in my opinion.

Jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: Betty.Mcbroom@f27.n3615.z1.fidonet.org (Betty Mcbroom)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: DEAF CULTURE - PART 2
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:35:33 GMT
Reply-To: Betty.Mcbroom@f27.n3615.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3615/27 - TN Deafness I N BBS, Knoxville TN
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 23925

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

LG>I have three main things to say about your messsage.  (1)I do not feel
LG>threatened by the deaf.  I myself am physically deaf (though not culturally
LG>deaf) -- and I know from my own experiences that it is a HORRIBLE handicap -
LG>and the born deaf do not feel the terrible loss that I feel simply because
LG>they do not know any better -- they have no idea what they are missing.  (2)

        Laurel, my husband became deaf at age nineteen.  He could hear
        up until that point.  He misses music too.  He wishes he could
        hear our children's voices.   He doesn't think I should
        associate only with hearing people -- nor does he.   He doesn't
        put me down because I don't care about music. Ironically, I hear
        enough with a hearing aid to have the car radio on to get some
        beat in the car.

LG>When I said the "human animal", I was not referring to deaf people as
LG>animals.  It is a common expression that you must not have enccountered --
LG>and it is used simply to accept the fact the human beings have instincts jus
LG>like dogs and cats.

        I'm used to the expression.  It didn't seem to fit the message
        you were typing.

LG> (3) About deaf people not rushing to get cochlear
LG>implants -- I have heard the story of a teenage girl who really wanted to ge
LG>a cochlear implant, but all of her deaf friends threatened to stop speaking

        Teenagers!  Ah -- the power of peer pressure.  I have two
        hearing teenagers in the house and I work with many.
        Teens have an inner need to conform to their peers. <g> Have
        you heard the same story about ADULTS?  I've never heard of any
        Deaf adult threatening to refuse to talk to anyone who got their
        hearing back.  One of the funniest and most respected women I
        ever met (in Rochester, NY) grew up deaf, got 100% of her
        hearing in adulthood and was a professional interpreter for
        awhile.  A chapter about her in a book says "being a hearing
        person for a decade did not make her happy."

LG>to her if she did -- So much for the great tolerance of deaf people.

        And today I read an article about an elderly man who shot and
        killed a cochlear implant doctor (June 25 in Michigan).
        The patient had been seeking treatment for three years.
        As you say ..... so much for the great tolerance of deaf people.

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From: Paige.Louie@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org (Paige Louie)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: epidural pump
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:27:28 GMT
Reply-To: Paige.Louie@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3800/6 - CompuChurch (tm) IH, Baton Rouge LA

Index Number: 23887

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

hi....i saw your msge re a pump,for your wife. i say 'go for it'.my dr.
wanted me to have same thing done this year,but decided my respiratory
system is too weak to tolerate the surgical procedure required to
implant it. i was quite disappointed,i endure such excruciating
stabbing pain continually.
 i think it'd be great help to your loved one.do it,i say.
take care,
 paige

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From: Mark.Munson@p0.f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Munson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Va riochmond
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:37:43 GMT
Reply-To: Mark.Munson@p0.f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14.0 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23934

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

JL>Mark, what is Richmond like now.  I got really put off by the place
JL>when the aids really didn't give a dam and the nurses were
JL>stuck in their station doing paperwork.  I have not been there
JL>since the new hospital was built.  When I first was rolled in
JL>there, in a stricker frame of a C-9, saw 40 men seperated by a
JL>locker, pipes running the length of the ward, cobwebs all over
JL>the place, I said, great joke, take me to the real hospital.
JL>Then the real reality set in, I had arrived.  Back then there
JL>were  still a few goods aids who gave a dam, and a pretty good
JL>reab group of people.  I still keep up somewhat from Jack
JL>Harding, a quad who goes down there, and from the Virginia
JL>chapter PVA newsletter.  What is your opinion of the
JL>pleace,especially the nursing care provided by the aids.
JL>Regards, John

Sorry I left your whole message, just to lazy to answer line by line.
Use to do it but am just getting lazy.

You got me at a disatvantage, I went through Rehab at Long Beach SCI in
83... so when I got to Richmond, I pretty much got the same effect you
got, but, I don't think its the same as when you were talking about.

Yes, you run into the nurses that spend their time at the statio to
write all night and tell the quads on the intercom to hold on (all
night), then you have a different shift that treats you like kings and
queens.   The nursing part I don't think will ever change because they
are just individuals and you can never predict them.  But, A general
answer to you question, is that if you had to go in for what ever
reason, I think you could tolerate it now.  I have experienced the best
(long beach) and maybe close to the worst (Richmond), and I would say
richmond is better now. IT HAS CHANGED. I spent 8 months out of last
year in that hospital and came out sane.  I won't need to go into why I
was in, you can take a guess.. but I had my passes, played the game and
got plenty of coupons.  Get back to me and let me know where you are at!
 * SLMR 2.1a * Nurse Please Bring Me My Chair God Damit!

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From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: "Blind Loyalty"
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:19:13 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23848

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to David Andrews <18 Jul 92 18:06> Jamal Mazrui wrote:

 JM> Hi David!  Let me say for the record
 JM> that I don't think Jernigan
 JM> could have made a finer selection than
 JM> you as sysop of the NFB
 JM> board.  You are competent, committed, and articulate.

 JM> One statement you made that I think
 JM> deserves discussion is your
 JM> explanation of why you dis-allowed the
 JM> "Blind Loyalty" article
 JM> after it had been uploaded to NFB-NET.
 JM>  You told Tim Cumings
 JM> something to the effect that members'
 JM> hard-earned money would not
 JM> go to supporting a forum of attack
 JM> against the NFB.  The critical
 JM> forum part I think you meant.
 JM> Bringing members' money into it was
 JM> I think insincere.  Given the hardware
 JM> resources of that board, the
 JM> volume of traffic, and the nearly 10
 JM> million NFB annual budget, the
 JM> financial cost of posting that article
 JM> is clearly negligible.  The
 JM> exceptional act of dis-allowing a mainstream article about
 JM> blindness for undoubtedly interested
 JM> users of the board to read is
 JM> more sincerely explained, I think, by
 JM> what I heard Mike Freeman
 JM> essentially state.  NFB-Net exists to
 JM> promote the NFB and its
 JM> philosophy.  Therefore posting
 JM> material that may raise questions
 JM> about this in the minds of readers is
 JM> counterproductive to the
 JM> purpose of that board.

 JM> Perhaps you now defend your action
 JM> with this line of reasoning and
 JM> Your original
 JM> explanation reminded me of the
 JM> rational Jernigan gave last summer
 JM> for not allowing me to publicly defend
 JM> myself on the floor of the
 JM> convention against my expulsion by the
 JM> national board.

Hi, Jamal!

There was a straight up-and-down vote by the convention as to whether it
would hear your case.  If the vote had been in the affirmative, you'd
have been given ample opportunity to state your case.  Remember also
that you had distributed to what I assume was a wide variety of movers
and shakers in the NFB tapes designed to put your case for retension as
a member of the organization.  Given that many members had read your
materials, I should say that they had at least a modicum of information
upon which to base their vote.

The convention voted not to hear your case -- I know; I was there -- and
thus let the decision of the Board of Directors stand.

You can choose to believe that the convention was led by the nose; I
believe otherwise.  So be it.

Mike Freeman
___ CRR QWK 1.40

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From: kiser@taronga.com (Jim Kiser)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: driving?
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:31:34 GMT
Reply-To: kiser@taronga.com (Jim Kiser)
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23957

In article <23670@handicap.news> Rich.Veraa@f907.n135.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>Index Number: 23670
>
> >> RV> stabilize my position. You're getting ripped off big time. My
> >> RV> whole conversion cost $1500.
> >>
> >>If it's a ripoff, the taxpayers are getting shafted, not me.  I was
> >>evaluated by instructors, and the above list is what they decided I
> >>need.  I'd rather have less stuff.  *adh*
>
>Actually, it's not the taxpayers that get shafted -- it's other
>disabled clients. The taxpayers are shelling out as much as they'll
>put up with, and no state has _enough_ funds to meet all the needs.
>So whatever they spend on one client is funding they can't spend on
>someone else.

It also hurts those of us who have good jobs but still need the
equipment.  Since the state agencies will shell out "whatever it
takes" there is no incentive to the manufactures/dealers to be
competitive on the price.  That means I pay inflated prices or I go
without.  (Usually the later.)  I keep hoping that as more
handicapped become employed, we can become an economic force and
make them give us more realistic prices.

--
      "Never send a bunny to do a duck's job."  - DW
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Hand Controls
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:37:57 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference

Index Number: 23935

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Joe Chamberlain <30 Jul 92 22:05> Karen Tackett wrote:

 KT> Hello, sorry to just jump right in here, but since we kind of
 KT> "know" each other from the WRITING echo, I hope you don't mind me
 KT> asking a basic question. We are looking for a wheelchair lift to
 KT> put in our van for our daughter. She's getting big enough for
 KT> this to be an issue. Also, how does one "lock down" a wheelchair
 KT> for safe transport within the vehicle?

Kids have a habit of growing.  I am amazed that mine is 28,
employed, and a hundred miles from home.  This from a child who
couldn't find his way to the bathroom after the sun went down.

Ricon and Braun are the two major lift makers.  Ricon is
1-800-322-2884.  Adaptive Automotive of Denver is a dealer, van
modifier which handles both Ricon and Braun at 1-800-748-3695.
MITS (1-800-243-6487) is in Pennsylvania and can refer you to a
west coast dealer.

Lock downs are devices attached to the floor which secure the
chair.  Then you need a modified seat belt to secure the rider to
the chair.

Contact the Univ. of Wash. Rehab center for some good in-state
referrals.

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From: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Using Vocal-Eyes with WordPerfect Office
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/207 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23813

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

When using Vocal-Eyes with the Office Shell, my system is locking up when I
 attempt to exit a program from within the shell.  I eliminated my autoexec
 file for testing purposes, and went with a 2 line config.sys file with Files
 and Buffers statements only.  When I removed Vocal-Eyes as well, I was then
 able to exit the shell after starting a program from within it.  Has anyone
 used this product with Vocal-Eyes.  If so, have you encountered this problem?
 Regards, Les

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