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From: mrr@mrsoft.network23.com (Mark Rinfret)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: more problems with ARn 1.00
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:25:32 GMT
Keywords: ARN,bug,where_did_my_partition_go
Summary: Me too...
Distribution: world
Organization: MRsoftware
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <rlcarr.09a1@animato.network23.com>, Rich Carreiro writes:

> I like ARn, but I think I'll have to stop using it. :(
> I have AmigaDos 2.04, and SetPatch V37.10 (so I have the CMDwhateverKLUDGE
> keywork set in .arnrc).
> 
> What happens is that sometimes while I'm in ARn, I'll suddenly get a requestor
> like "Please insert volume DEVEL:"  Well, DEVEL is the label of partition 4
> of my hard drive!  And when I do an "info", sure enough, on the DH4 line,
> where the volume name should show up, there is nothing.  This has never
> happened to me before I started using ARn 1.00, and has happened 3 times
> in 2 days while I was running ARn 1.00.
> 
> Anyone else see stuff like this?  What can I do?

I've seen the disappearing volume trick here too, Rich, and I'm running
ARN 1.00 with AmigaDOS 3.0. I hadn't paid much attention to what else
was going on at the time, but I will next time it happens.

Mark

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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: ARn problems
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In article <gXyds*8Q0@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca> hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble) writes:
> Newsreader writers should take note, too that Cnews defines a standard
> article reference file format for newsreaders to use for indexing,
> threading, etc. It will already exist at sites running Cnews and all
> the different newsreaders don't have to waste the space adding their
> own. The emacs GNUS reader is the only one with an Amiga port that I
> know uses it. tin should too, does it?

Are you talking about 'nov'?? It isn't a standard, although it is likely to
be one soon. News Overview has just been released a few months now.  And
while Geoff Collyer wrote it, it has nothing to do with C-News directly.
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From: S_BLESS@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Roland Bless)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: ARn problems
Date: 28 Dec 1992 11:13:07 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
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In <pb4cs*BN0@prolix.apana.org.au> dac@prolix.apana.org.au writes:

> I sorted the active file and the grouplist. This works, except
> the grouplist determines the order of newsgroups appearing in the
> screen, and it is no longer in the order that I like.

Only the ACTIVEFILE has to be sorted, the order of the GROUPLIST
depends only on your taste. you can change the order by selecting 
groups and using the "V"-menu in the newsgroup-level.

> I suspect the dup newsgroup caused ARN to crash.

I don't think so, it's more likely that the unsorted activ-file did.

> Roland specifically mentioned that he culled a lot of the
> CTRL-key functions. You should read the doco that came with
> ARN100, and you should also check out the online help {H} because
> it's pretty informative. Especially if you don't like hunting
> through doco! :-)
Yep, but in the oinline-help are some bugs to :-(
c is cancel and C is Catchup in the pager-level for example, in 
arnhelp.txt "C" is cancel too, which is wrong.

> My active file is in this format:
> 
> alt/flame
> alt/peeves
> alt/religion/computers
> alt/sources/amiga

Uaaahhh, please change this immedeately!
You must use dots insteads of slashes!!!!!
it should look like this:

alt.flame
alt.peeves
alt.religion.computers
alt.sources.amiga

> My grouplist file is in this format:
> 
> alt/flame:
> alt/peeves:
> alt/religion/computers:
> alt/sources/amiga:

The grouplist must have no slashes either. Do a search/replace with
you editor on both files and it'll be fine .
 
> Perhaps my configuration is screwed. Roland is away for a week,
> but I'll put up my .arnrc config anyway.

Yeah, I'm away until 10. January. But I took my modem with me (not my Amiga
however) and the "net" is fortunately everywhere present...:-)

> Has anyone ANY clue as to why this '/' behaviour occurs?

Replace all / into .
In ACTIVEFILE and in GROUPLIST.

Regards,
 Roland
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From: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: _from problems
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:15:21 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
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In article <211292h2148@hamburg.uucp> wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering) writes:
> In article <boinger.081p@myamy.hacktic.nl>, Paul Kolenbrander writes:
> 
> % I just got a message from my hostnode that DUUCP 1.16 is
> % generating _from lines (Not to mistaken with From: lines)
> % like the following as the first line of any message by me:
> %
> % From boinger Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:06:46 MET
> 
> It should be
> 
>    From boinger Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:06:46 MET remote from myamy.hacktic.nl
> 
> Dropping the `remote from' part is no good idea (imho it's a bug).

I know. It is remote from... but that part got axed from the message
somehow...

>      The common syntax in the UUCP is the one I stated above. What `he'
> want's is the syntax used on internet-only sites (as to my knowledge) --
> usually, one's mailer should accept any of them and munge them as
> appropriate ...

It is Internet. The problem is that the domain where hacktic.nl sends
it's mail is a bit picky and insists on the from boinger@... lines. 
They seem to flat_out refuse to accept mail without it. :-(
 
> % As he's getting problems with his host since they don't seem
> % to be able to find it in the Maps or something like that. So
> % I've changed UULIB:Config as follows:
> %
> % NodeName      myamy
> % UserName      boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl
> % RealName      Paul Kolenbrander
> 
> Nice workaround =:->

Nope. Creates even more problems. Now my From: line is like
boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl@hacktic.nl. :-( And GRN can't find
my sigs. :-( So I changed it back and modify those from lines
by hand. :-( 

>      I assume someone already has a patched sendmail to do this; but as to
> my knowledge, the format sendmail currently generates is pretty legal for
> UUCP (I know, this doesn't help you) ...

Ah well. Thanks for the info anyway... Merry Christmas...

CYa, Paul

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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Domain workaround...?
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:04:42 GMT
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
Organization: Citizens Against Whiny A-Holes, Sacramento, CA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith


Hiya folks.


I need help in finding out what to do to get my domain set to

amilink.citrus.sac.ca.us

Is this possible?  I am currently using the bang path method such as:

amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us

Does anyon have the proper RFC's or documents I should read to get more
info on this?  If you can help me out, please either post in here or send
me mail with the appropriate documents.

I am not calling a site that is connected to the InterNet.  It is a private
site that is getting its feed from the local university (CSUSAC)  He is in
the domains, too.  I am attempting this so I can be "somewhat" in the
domains without having a link to an InterNet site.

If there are any other ways of doing this, please let me know.


i.e. UUCP Domains and stuff.


Thanks!



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From: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: _from problems
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:17:23 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
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In article <bobl.ahma@bobsbox.rent.com> bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin) writes:
> In article <boinger.081p@myamy.hacktic.nl> boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:
> You shouldn't have your FDQN in your UserName.  Your UserName should
> just be boinger.
> 
> You should add or change your DomainName in your config file to
> .hacktic.nl

It is... :-)

Excerpt from my UULIB:config file:

NodeName      myamy
UserName      boinger
RealName      Paul Kolenbrander
DomainName    .hacktic.nl
TimeZone      MET
DefaultNode   utopia

CYa, Paul

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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: ARn problems
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:49:36 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <1hmmkdINNsr7@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, |S| Roland Bless writes:

> > ACTIVE file.  Since arnmaster maintains the ACTIVE-file in my news
> > software setup, WHY COULDN'T _IT_ ensure that it was sorted?  Arn crashed
> 
> No, the ACTIVEFILE has to be sorted!!! That is emphasized in the README"
> I don't know why people don't read the README files...:-)
> The idea that arnmaster could check the ACTIVFILE for sorted order is not bad.

The active file is guaranteed to *not* be sorted with most news s/w
and utilities. Even if you add a hack to re-sort it after each
automatic or semi-automatic change there will still be times when it
is unsorted unless you start doing locking on the active file and arn.
That's silly.

If arn must have a sorted file it should do the sorting on its own
private, temporary copy of the active file. If the active file is
several thousand lines long that's a significant waste of space and
arn's sorted copy will still get out of date unless you use
notification to tell arn when it has to make a new copy and resort it.
A much better solution is to change arn so it does not require the
file to be sorted.

Newsreader writers should take note, too that Cnews defines a standard
article reference file format for newsreaders to use for indexing,
threading, etc. It will already exist at sites running Cnews and all
the different newsreaders don't have to waste the space adding their
own. The emacs GNUS reader is the only one with an Amiga port that I
know uses it. tin should too, does it?

> I could fix them only after 10. January. Please mail all bugs to
> bugs@spirits.ka.sub.org. Note that some weird problems may be introduced by the
> new compiler...

Oh oh, another SAS user. :-)
If arn used to still support 1.3, I think you will find that the SAS
6.0 compiled version won't any more. Knowing SAS another set of bug
fixes will be out RSN, I'm sure.

Instead of using any compiler it's a lot easier to just sit back and
post about what everybody should be doing. :-) I do appreciate
everyone's efforts, and especially the code that works well enough
that I can end up using it, and is clean enough that I can end up
hacking it.

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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: proposal alt.sys.amiga.cnews/cnews.patches
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:43:36 EST
FollowUp-To: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
 <Fp4bs*f00@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca> <BzrLsn.84D@NeoSoft.com>
Organization: Phaedra V

[ Followups directed to alt.sys.amiga.uucp ]

In article <BzrLsn.84D@NeoSoft.com>, Peter da Silva writes:

> How about news.software.amiga-cnews? That's where all the other news software
> discussion groups are.

That's where machine independent stuff like the nn newsreader group
are, but *.amiga.something would make more sense under the existing
comp.sys.amiga hierarchy for amiga specific topics.

> > Is .patches really the best way to go for sources and binaries?
> No, just use comp.{sources,binaries}.amiga. If you can't get stuff through
> there, then get a new moderator.

comp.sources.amiga and comp.binaries.amiga is something we should deal
with one of these days. People have been arguing here that they want
to read/recieve/archive a whole specific uucp/news sources group
separately, as is done now with alt.sys.amiga.uucp.patches. Gee, it
works already. :-) All we have to do is get .uucp moved to comp and
we're all set for business as usual. It would be nice if whole
binaries and sources for major revisions could be cross posted to
comp.{sources|binaries}.amiga. 

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From: ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Skip Watson)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Re^2: Cnews questions
Distribution: world
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X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:25:31 EST
Organization: Auldhaefen Associates

In article <xxX9s*zQ7@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca> hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble) writes:
[...]
> And there's no reason for sticking it in alt, or keeping the .uucp
> group in alt, except inertia. If anyone thinks it's too much work
> posting formal discussion and vote messages for a real group, look
> into it. It's not all that different from what it takes to make a
> successfull alt group (alt groups don't necessarily get good
> propagation even to sites that get other alt groups).

	By any chance do you have a copy of the guide lines? It was here
but has since been expired. We can hold 2 days worth of news and don't
have space to everthing that should be saved :-(.
 
> I'm going to keep harping that it should be a comp group, and anyone
> who wants to be the official vote taker for a new alt group can bug me
> to either shut up, or take the responsibility myself. :-) Does anyone
> else want do do it? Please? :-)

	Official vote-taker for an alt? There really isn't any such thing.
However, I'll agree to be the vote-taker for the comp.sys.amiga.<whatever>
if I can get a copy of the guide lines. Now, are you willing to make the
proposal?

> I think it's time to get this discussion out in news.groups.

	Go for it.

> How many people are behind me?

	You've got at least 1 :-). I can think of a few that don't get the
alt groups that would probably back it ;-).

> 
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Skip
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Subject: alternative groups for Amiga Usenet software (was Re: Cnews questions)
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:56:50 GMT+12
Distribution: world
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    On the the it's (mostly) not broken so it doesn't need fixing, I suggest
just moving the existing two groups a.s.a.uucp & patches into the c.s.amiga
area keeping the same names. If people want new names then my suggestion is
comp.sys.amiga.usenet-sw and .patches as that could encompass all the software
used/required for Usenet news and mail.


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From: S_BLESS@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Roland Bless)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: ARn problems
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:08:13 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
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In <iJFcs*x20@lemsys.UUCP> clemon@lemsys.UUCP writes:

Hi!

> cure most of my problems I'm sure.  The only other thing I've noticed is a
> lot of unexplained crashes when posting articles (ie. exiting the selected
> editor and when Arn goes to post the text file).  This is my second attempt
> to do this followup.  Sometime the crash is total and complete (ie.
> grey-grey-white-software failure, and sometimes just a requestor crash. 
> More on this later if I see a pattern to the crashes.

oops. Please write when exactly the machine crashs, did you see the
p)ost prompt or crashed it after hitting "p"?.
 
>         Once again, my apologies to Roland if my archive is incomplete or
> in error.  I don't remeber where I FTP'ed it from, sorry.

Incomplete archives caused your trouble with the help-file and that's why
I don't want any other Arn-archives around there than the one from 
amiga.physik.unizh.ch! Please delete the incomplete archive...

Regards
 Roland

P.S.: I wish you (all) a happy new year.

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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: proposal alt.sys.amiga.cnews/cnews.patches
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:27:37 EST
 <1992Dec22.142144.5351@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <1992Dec22.142144.5351@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>, S.P.Zeidler writes:

> >We need a formal discussion on the creation of comp.sys.amiga.news.sw.
> 
> No matter wether the comp group gets rolling or not, I think this
> particular name should _not_ be chosen, as it implies the section
> for software in the hierarchy of Amiga computer news.
> If at all, the name ought to be csa.news-sw or csa.news-soft.

Good point. Thank you.

My current favourite name for the group I think shouldn't get created
is comp.sys.amiga.news-sw.

Is .patches really the best way to go for sources and binaries?
I hesitate to mention the first alternative that comes to mind because
I can think of some silly political difficulties, but if anyone else
has suggestions ...

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From: mcafee@ryn.enet.dec.com (Steve McAfee)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Performance Help Please
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:45:54 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I've got Dillon's UUCP 1.16D running on my 2.04 amiga 3000 and connecting
to a vax ultrix 4.1 system at work via a 9600 baud line.  I can connect
through this same line using vlt and transfer files at roughly 900cps. 

However, uucp seems to be only getting something like 140cps.  I've
tried different packet counts (1-7) to no avail.  Could I have my
modem configured badly for uucp?  There is an identical v.32 modem
at each end (DF296).  I've tried enabling/disabling data compression
and not really seen any difference at all.

Any suggestions at all would be appreciated.  I have a decstation 5000
I've been trying to get taylor uucp running on but haven't had much
luck.  Keep getting protocol errors once it tries to transfer the
first file.  Not that it will matter anyhow, because the VAX is where 
news is running.

Oh yeah, one other thing during the slow transfer from the VAX, I get
a number of messages about wrong packet numbers or something like that.

thanks,

steve mcafee

mcafee@ryn.enet.dec.com
From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Re^2: Cnews questions
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:17:21 EST
 <andyw.0eu9@awbase.UUCP>
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <andyw.0eu9@awbase.UUCP>, Andy Wright writes:

> What names were in the offing now ?
> 
>     comp.sys.amiga.something :-)

comp.sys.amiga.uucp unless someone thinks up a better name.
What would describe a group for talking about uucp *and* mail and
other s/w to run over uucp, *and* news and related s/w?
I think uucp is a good enough name, especially given the successfull
history of a.s.a.u* but a better one wouldn't hurt.

whatever-above.patches mostly for patches, scripts, etc. but I'd like
to see full sources and binaries of things too. e.g. all of the latest
version of ARN instead of just source diffs.

>     comp.sys.amiga.news.sw

or better comp.sys.amiga.news-sw
And then there's the issue of a separate .patches/.sources group
again.

>     comp.sys.amiga.transport

I know, this group is for portable amigas! No wait, maybe it's for big
trucks for non-portable amigas. :-) Ok, I don't think much of this name.

>     comp.sys.amiga.cnews

And everyone's sick of what I think of that name by now. :-)

Part of the formal discussion will be a hairy debate over exact names.

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