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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: ROLLER HOCKEY: Results 7/27
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:43:21 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

MONDAY'S RESULTS (partial)

Italy 8, Switzerland 0
Brazil 8, Angola 1
Germany 4, Australia 1

Sorry, but these are the only ones USA Today mentions.  If anyone else
knows the rest, feel free to post.

TUESDAY'S SCHEDULE
Pool A: Switzerland vs. Japan
	Portugal vs. Argentina
	United States vs. Italy
Pool B:	Australia vs. Angola
	Brazil vs. Netherlands
	Spain vs. Germany
From: gwangung@byron.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC :- State owned telecast :-)
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:05:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul30.173129.15666@cc.gatech.edu> kamal@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>I would like to get a good picture of what is going in all the 
>events in olympics. Not just swimming, diving and the dream team.

	Some people don't.

>Any comments.

	Yup.  you are NOT like teh rest of America.

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From: ychang@cs.tamu.edu (Yeimkuan Chang)
Subject: Baseball Results, PPPPPPLLLLLEEEEAAASSE
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:24:32 GMT

Can any one post the everyday's baseball results before next day's 
newspaper comes out?

Appreciated.

Albert


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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.034307.23381@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul29.225553.26408@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
|> > [stuff deleted...]
|> >I think the players are correct when they say that the win was reversed
|> >because the Japanese donate the most money to volleyball.
|> 
|> NAW, now now! Regardless of whether the ruling was correct or not,
|> this statement is ungrounded, arrogant and simply disgusting.
|> Perhaps even flattering, too -- never heard of Japan regarded
|> as having that much political influence.  The common attitude,
|> esp. of the US gov., is "Now gimme the money and shut up!" (sob).

Nonetheless, you will note that:

A) Never before in the history of Olympic competition has an official's
judgement call been reversed. This includes several million decisions.

B) Never before has a win been withdrawn in Volleyball. In the past game
deciding prtests, the FIVB has decided that an error was made but the decision
should stand. This is the most extreme action EVER taken by the FIVB (before
now that is).

C) As reported in the New York Times, amongst nations, the Japanese are the
primary supporter of the FIVB and some US players feel that had an effect.

D) 24 hours after the game ended, the result was reversed. According to
President(?) Acosta, the FIVB ruled that the referee should have thrown a
yellow card AND DID NOT. The FIVB broke all precedent and reversed the
outcome.

As noted by another Japanese poster, this reeks of backroom dealings.

|> Wouldn't Mr. Jason Nationalist refrain from hinting excuses that
|> may be self-soothing but altogether weird and absurd?
|> "They wanted us to lose ['cause we're the best]" seems a far better blame,
|> considering how the US team "ousted" Canada and Spain (and Japan, if you wish).

Please! The US team clearly does not deserve a medal. Their play has been
pathetic and unless something changes dramatically, they don't stand a prayer.
This doesn't change the fact that something very underhanded occured with
respect to the volleyball game. It is very unlikely that this will effect the
US, but if Japan makes the playoffs, there will be some team which deserved
to make the playoffs, but which did not due to these underhanded dealings.
This team will have been trully cheated.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Amateurism
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:23:20 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.145615.27189@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
>
>Anita Nall is the world record holder in the women's 200m breaststroke.  She
>is also a high school student.

>So, "vlad", are they
>"idle aristocrats" or "millionairs" (sic)?

Of course not. They are normal people like you and me. They have spent all
their concious lives training in the pool, their parents made tremendous
sacrifices and have spent probably hundreds of thousands of dollars on
paying for their training and travel. Thus, these swimmers have the right
to recoup their costs by being paid. They are pro athletes, not
"millionnaires". 

>  If not, then they must be
>receiving "money for their ahtletic performance".  What nefarious sponsor
>do they have, other than their parents?

Glad to answer your question, Ken. According to tonights NBC Olympic
broadcast, Anita Noll "is not only fast in the water but also fast to the
bank". According to NBC, Anita has already earned $30 thousand in
commercial endorsements. Now, if oyu want the names of her sponsors, please
write to NBC. They will be glad to furnish their names.


>When one uses "all", "none", "never", or "always" in a statement, it only
>takes a single counter-example to allow the audience to dismiss the entire
>content of the statement, and often serves to cast doubt on anything else
>presented by the speaker.

I am sure among 10 thousand Olympic athletes there must be one or two
counterexamples to the well-known theory that "amateurism" is an idea
created by idle aristocrats to fend off normal people. However, yuo have
not found that counterexample yet. Keep on digging. But check your sources
before putting your foot in your mouth.

Vlad

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From: killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Difference between CIS and EUN
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.211308.15677@tin.monsanto.com> bcschu@skws02.monsanto.com (Brett Schultz) writes:

   What is exactly the difference between the Unified Team and the Commonwealth
   of Independent States.

EUN includes Georgia (and some other nation?) and CIS doesn't.
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From: st1n0@elroy.uh.edu (SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD*)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: protest
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.181120.10780@meaddata.com>, jefff@meaddata.com (Jeff Fleck) writes...
> 
>|> None of this addresses the fact that our coach and team should have had a serious
>|> talk with the guy that got yellow carded after the first one! I have played in games
>|> with horrible refs and know that it is frustrating, but once you get a yellow
>|> card, you shut up. Players on that level should have enough sense to control themselves!!
>|> The guy cost his team the match with his temper.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>Agreed!
> 

Umm, forgive my ignorance and my inability to have read the papers lately.
But has something happened to the USA/Japan volleyball match?
ie. has the entire game/match been overturned and Japan been declared the
victor.. or was it just one game/match?

Any info. appreciated..thanx in advance :)

		-Speaker*

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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:35:46 GMT

In <1992Jul30.210035.12159@pixie.aii.com> mt@support.aii.com writes:
>All that ref has to do is show the Red Card (No Second yellow card).

This USED to be the case, but now there is a new international rule
stating that when a player receives the second warning he will be
shown BOTH cards (ie. read and yellow) so everybody knows that the
foul was not a red card foul itself.
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From: ejohnson@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Liz Johnson)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:02:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.193513.27018@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu
(Robyn A E Kozierok) writes: 
> 
>Why were they using the French names anyway?  Wouldn't the Spanish have made
>more sense?  


Because Catalon (the official language in Barcelona) was once banned
by the Spanish government. Favoring Spanish now would be a slam at the
people of Barcelona.  So they can't use Spanish or Catalon. They chose
French as a neutral language.  
Liz Johnson 

P.S. Sorry if I misspelled "Catalon" or got the exact name wrong.
 

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From: Robert.Holton@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Holton)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:42:19 GMT

In article <92209.085455BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Bernard BELL) writes:
>
>Those of you who watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics would have
>seen that the British team came in as under the name Great Britain, or
>more accurately, under Grande Bretagne, since the language of nomenclature
>for the parade was French. Does anyone know why the British compete as
>Grande Bretagne and not as Royaume Uni?

For the very reason you mentioned at the start of your post - Royaume Uni
means United Kingdom, and in many sports people from N. Ireland compete as
part of the Irish team. 

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From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Subject: RE: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:32:11 GMT


Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough. There were 13 countries
participating in the 1st Olympics. Through medals and placements I managed to
find 12 of them. Which is #13? Big question. I have no idea. Trying to deduce
things from my Olympics reference, through the story of the Irish tennis 
player, I figured that Ireland MAY be the 13th country. At the moment they were 
not independent, but it could be that in retrospect they considered Ireland as
a 13th entry. All this could be wrong of course and I would be very interested
in hearing from anybody who knows who is #13. All the info about the Irish flag
is from the same reference and I believe they are very accurate.
Yesterday NBC mentioned that via boycotts, wars etc only Greece, Switzerland,
Great Britain and maybe 1-2 more were the only nations that participated in all
25 Olympics.

Anthony Stefanidis
Ohio State
From: navy@IASTATE.EDU (Scott V Rivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Free Triplecast
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:46:41 GMT
Reply-To: navy@IASTATE.EDU (Scott V Rivera)
Organization: Iowa State University

On Sunday I turned on my TV to catch the early morniong broadcast of the
olympics, and to my dismay, while flipping to NBC I passed the triple cast on a
never used channel.  BUT, today (monday) apparently the cable company woke up
and now I'm back to my regular (blah too many personal stories) NBC coverage.

Did any other fortunate few get a couple of hours of rather entertaining olympic
coverage?

Scott Rivera
navy@iastate.edu

P.S. Got to see some boxing, diving, and swimming heats.  not too bad

now where can I find $150 ?????
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:40:32 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1635@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.231559.9624@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>>
>>Look, this is 20th century. The ideas of monarchy and aristocracy and
>>serfdom are all dead. The idea of equality and democracy is alive. And I am
>>happy to see the last bastion of the idle class, the hypocritical idea of
>>"amateurism", die. 
>>
>
>Equality?????
>When you hear Mr.Jordan boast that the Olympics will be a vacation,you
>know any hint of real competition is a myth. Sure,those who can stomach
>one rout ater another will see basketball gold return to the USA. But it
>didn't have to come this way. There was some exciting about seeing the
>best of American collegians pursuing their dream. So they didn't always
>get it. So what? Did we have to become the world's commercial bullies to
>win the gold?

Mark, are you confusing the Olympics with basketball championships. believe
it or not, but 99.9% of all medal competition is NOT in basketball.

Unlike nationalist team competitions, most are individual sports. And in
those, the participation of pros is fair. I am talking about figure
skating, cycling, downhill skiing, etc. In fact, even in team sports like
volleyball and hockey, th eparticipation of pros is a good thing.
Basketball is different in the sense that one country is too dominant in
it. Oh well...

>Why do you think the makeup of Team USA-NBA was named about a year ahead of
>time? The reason had nothing to do with practice time,an exhibition
>schedule,players getting to know each other,etc.

That has nothing to do with the International Olympic Committee, does it?
It is between us Americans and our stupid or corrupt sports officals.

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From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS:  Opinions on Gutsu's new all-around chance
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:31:51 GMT

About the top-three from each country rule for gymnastics: doesn't it create a 
double whammy for these athletes?  Not only are they competing against other 
teams, but against their *own* teammates.  That goes against the whole concept 
of a team, IMHO.  They might as well compete as individuals.. there certainly 
could be little team spirit involved (although the Unified Team showed touching
concern for Gutshu -- spelling? -- when she cried at the end).  The U.S. women 
weren't even *looking* at one another.
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: 1906?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:43:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <1992Jul29.115556@IASTATE.EDU>, baarniy@IASTATE.EDU (Scott A Coon) writes:
> About four or five days ago someone on this group mentioned something
> called the "Intercalated Games" or something similar that were held in
> (I think) 1906 (maybe it was 1910, but it wasn't an olympic year.)
> 
> They were referring in particular to a 10-time gold medal winner in the
> standing long, high and triple jumps, who won some of those medals in these
> extra games.
> 
> Anybody remember this or anything relevant?  I'm curious (they definitely
> weren't mentioned in the opening ceremonies when they ran out the flags for
> each games.)  This is definitely something I've never heard of before.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott Coon
> baarniy@iastate.edu

I believe that these Games were held to celebrate the 10th anniversary of
the start of the modern olympic games. They were held in Greece at the
site of the 1896 games.

Ken
From: desjarly@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Table Tennis : Previews
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:23:16 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal



Hello people !

I'd like to have your predictions about Table Tennis. Who will win ?

There are 4 events in the Olympics : Men's Doubles, Women's Doubles,
Men's Singles and Women's Singles. 

Please, email me your predictions and if enough people respond to it,
I'll post the results. But hurry : it's starting soon...

PS : Any kind of predictions will be great. Name of the player, country,
     etc...

Lyne

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Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:1773 rec.sport.volleyball:1599
From: G62N000 <G62N@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:10:47 GMT

>In article <fortony.712455562@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>Sorry to hear it.  I was being quite serious.  If given a choice betwe en
>watching a technically perfect but somewhat boring Chinese diver who's
>guaranteed to win and watching an older, flawed but spirited American
>diver, I'm going to make the second choice every time.  At least the
>American had expressions on her face.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So what you are saying is that if a diver gets out of the pool with
a big grin on thier face and ACTING as if they made a super dive
then they should get the gold, even if they just did a belly flop?
Maybe the young Chinese diver is nervous and is affraid to show any
emotion during the competition.  I'm pretty damn sure she won't be
standing like a robot when she gets her gold medal.

>--
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From: bmbrow01@rigel.spd.louisville.edu (Brian M. Brown)
Subject: Yachting - New Zealand
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:30:38 GMT

If anyone has information or can get results on the Yachting (Soling)
it would be appreciated.  A recent acquatance is looking for information
and results from the SOling competition in which her fiance' is a
member.  The skippers name is Coutts.  If any one has information please
contact me.

Thanks a million.
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:41:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.190806.27430@mercury.unt.edu> danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Danny Faught) writes:
>Is it just me or just Bob Costas have no facial expression whatsoever?
>Come on, man, show some emotion!
>
Perhaps he's the most "Easternised" of the American TV commentators?

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From: rgd3729@tamsun.tamu.edu (Greg Dilworth)
Subject: Modern Pentathlon:  Riding results
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:15:51 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

Abbreviated results from the riding competition in Pentathlon (the
only ones they had in my newspaper).

Individuals...

1	Marian Gheorghe		Romania		1:33.10		1,100
2	Sergio W. Sanchez Gomez	Guatemala	1:33.40		1,100
3	Hakan Norebrink		Sweden		1:38.00		1,100
4	Carlo Massullo		Italy		1:41.20		1,100
5	Graham Brookhouse	Britain		1:32.50		1,070

USA Results

12	James Haley		Lake City, Fla	1:32.00		1,040
28	Michael Gostigian	Newton Sq., Pa	1:36.80		  980
44	Rob Stull		Austin, Tx	1:52.90		  875

These were all the results printed.  If anyone has more individual
scores please post them.

Team Riding...

1	Italy (Tiberti, Massullo, Bomprezzi)		3,150
2	Poland (Czyzowicz, Skrzypaszek, Gozdziak)	3,022
3	Britain (Brookhouse, Phelps, Mahony)		3,010
4	Sweden (Danielsson, Norebrink, Nyqvist)		2,996
5	Egypt (Elerian, Adam, Abouelsouad)		2,910


USA finish

6	(Stull, Haley, Gostigian)			2,895

There are other teams posted and if you would like the results of the
top 17 teams I will mail them to you.

Yours,

Greg
From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:16:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: telemati.1992Jul28.171627.10811
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL

In article <Bs2Frn.7zp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ejohnson@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Liz Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.193513.27018@athena.mit.edu> raek@athena.mit.edu
>(Robyn A E Kozierok) writes: 
>> 
>>Why were they using the French names anyway?  Wouldn't the Spanish have made
>>more sense?  
>
>Because Catalon (the official language in Barcelona) was once banned
>by the Spanish government. Favoring Spanish now would be a slam at the
>people of Barcelona.  So they can't use Spanish or Catalon. They chose
>French as a neutral language.  

Actually, the French spelling is always used, not just for _these_
games.  I believe it is because Baron whatever-his-name-was (the
guy who started the modern games) was French, so French was made
the official language.
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From: tlglenn@cs.arizona.edu (Ted L. Glenn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: MEDAL COUNT su 26.7.
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:35:56 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Jul28.130224.25714@philabs.philips.com> ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron) writes:
|In article <19672@optima.cs.arizona.edu> tlglenn@cs.arizona.edu (Ted L. Glenn) writes:
|>I've always understood the "official standings" to be based on the total
|>number of medals won. If there was a tie, the number of gold medals won 
|
|There are no official medal standings.  They are all an invention of
|the media.  The advantage of the unofficial system, is that several
|countries can claim to win the medal count depending on the method of

That's why I put "official standings" in quotes. In any case, I still
think the "official standings" should be based on total medals first
(unless some one tries to come up with some point system, which is
a bit anal-retentive). Let's drop the subject, we can argue various
methods of figuring "official standings" all day and get nowhere.
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