HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Subject: Re: Term Limits Initiative
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:15:07 GMT

I wrote:
||  The Constitution, in Article 1, Section 4, clearly gives the States 
||  the power to regulate congressional elections:
||
||          1. The times, places and *manner* of holding elections
||          for Senators and Representatives shall be prescribed in
||          each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress
||          may at any time by law make or alter such regulations,
||          except as to the place of choosing Senators.
||          
||  The Supreme Court has continually confirmed the rights of states to
||  limit ballot access in cases much more questionable than this one.      

Stephen Graham (graham@cs.washington.edu) writes:
| A reasonable interpretation of the phrase "times, places, and manner" is
| that states can hold congressional elections when and where they want,
| want, and can dictate the method by which you vote. While this version,
| unlike previous attempts, does not actually bar anyone from holding a
| seat in Congress, which is clearly unconstitutional, it does restrict
| ballot access. And equal ballot access has been set forth as a right.
| (I would be very interested in seeing citations of the "questionable"
| ballot access restrictions. And, please, don't use anything from before
| 1965.) 

  Storer v Brown (1974), Davis v Bandemer (1986)
  ==

  Bob

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subject: Re: Cuban refugees
Keywords: foo,bar
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:23:11 GMT

In article <987@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>In article <MS-C.720410727.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>/In 1991, the number of Cubans rescued at sea after fleeing Cuba was
>/2,203.

Rescued or apprehended?  Hey Mark! can you give us some data on Haiti?

>I wonder how many Americans fled to the Workers' Paradise in Cuba during
>the same period.

Probably not many, as the US policy is to prohibit (or at least, to provide
as many obstacles as possible) travel to that country.  Of course, this just
goes to show how spineless Americans are!  East Germans, of course, were made
of sterner stuff.  :) :)

Walter, you're just jealous because the US won't let you relocate Zortech
there... :) :) :) [ hint: try Mexico :) ]
-- 
kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
 Nostalgic conservatives are already referring to the Bush Era as
 "those Halcion days of yesteryear".
From: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: What a country!
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:27:05 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com
Distribution: seattle
Organization: BoGART To You, Buddy


I guess the right wing never gives up - a home-made bumper sticker seen
last night on a Jeep in Greenwood:

			   IMPEACH CLINTON

-- 
Jim Tomlinson jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com
                          "As a civil libertarian, which in my opinion is
                           like saying 'as an American'..." - Molly Ivans
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: january@eskimo.celestial.com (Jamie Pehling)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Some Stats: USA, Cuba, and El Salvador
Keywords: statistics social usa cuba salvador cia
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:51:49 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-

I have posted statistics concerning literacy, infant mortality
rate, and crude birth and death rates, _inter alia_, for the
three nations in soc.culture.latin-america.  The source is
_The CIA World Factbook_, 1991.
-- 
Jamie Pehling <january@eskimo.celestial.com>
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Hi.
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:18:16 GMT

crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>The CITY of California runs from San Diego to just north of San Francisco.
>The whole area is nothing but suburbs of Los Angeles.  Wall to wall concrete
>and freeway.  If it weren't for the freeway signs you'd never know where one
>city left off and another began.

I take it you've never driven up I-5 from LA to Sacremento?  Do it with
your window open in the summer, and you will certainly notice that there
are places where there is no city.  Don't do this unless you like the
smell of cow shit, though!

This is a great place to drive fast: I-5 is basically a straight line
for most of this (with about two places where you actually have to
steer).  Just lash your steering wheel to something so it won't move,
put a brink on the gas pedal, and take a nap for a few hours -- you'll
be fine. :-)  Average speed is about 75 on that stretch.

>
>Which leads me to another observation:
>
[animals visible from road in or near city]

It's sometimes surprising where animals show up.  I was driving one night
in the suburbs of Cupertino, in Silicon Valley, and came across ten or
fifteen deer crossing the road!  I have no idea where they came from
or where they were going, and no one I talked to believed me when I
told them about this.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Hi.
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 21:02:29 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Crystal (crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu) wrote:
: Seattle freeways have FORESTS along the edges!  Even the S-curves of Renton
: have nature's wonders to enjoy while you sit and contemplate the accident
: up ahead.  

Have you seen what they've done to the median strip on I-5 south
of Olympia.  Paved it all and stuck in a reinforced chain link fence
in the middle.  Must have had a problem with head-on collisions.
Looks just like 101 through the Silicon Valley.  Major UGLY.

: Tracy, don't let the Lesser Seattle/Emmett Watson clones scare you away!

Can't scare them away, we've admitted that from the start of the thread.
Just repeating the point that the worst thing you can do is come to 
town with some fantasy image and then try to impose it on everyone else.

It's a pity there aren't any working coal mines left in the county.  That's 
just the sort of thing we need to puncture some mental bubbles about how
pristine and undeveloped this place is.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Term Limits Initiative
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:32:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.224032.16307@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:
>Of course, the people do tend to re-elect them. Perhaps they're satisfied
>with who represents them. They just don't like who's representing other
>people. How else do you explain incumbents winning by ten to thirty percent
>and term limits by four to five percent. Math dictates that a number of
>people voted for an incumbent and for term limits. And if you voted for
>the incumbent, you must be reasonably happy with the job they're doing.

You're missing the point here.  There is an inherent problem in the
organization of congress; to wit, the longer you stay in congress the
more power you have.  The seniority system causes this.

This means that it's dangerous to not reelect your representative.  If
you don't reelect a long-term reprentative you've lost representative
for your district.

What's the chance of Foley not being elected?  Zero.  It's pretty obvious
that he wields a lot more power than a freshman congressman.  Why?  Not
because of any inherent nature, not because of his district, or even his
ability to do well for the country -- but just because he's been
around a while.

Term limits are an attempt to handle this problem proactively.  By
preventing this strange strange lumps of power it avoids the problem
of people not being able to vote for who they really want just because
they'll lose an incumbent's seniority.

Obviously it's not in the direct self-interest of any district or state
to have this policy, but there it is.

Bill
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: martinh@cac.washington.edu (Martin Hunt)
Subject: Re: Hi.
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:16:55 GMT

In article <86569@bcsaic.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com writes:
>
>BTW, New Jersey gets a bum rap from everyone.  It is really a very beautiful
>state.

Been in northern Jersey recently?  I thought places that bad only existed
in WWII films and environmental propaganda.  Most of NJ is quite nice,
but also a bit crowded.

Martin



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Martin Hunt                            martinh@cac.washington.edu   
Networks and Distributed Computing     University of Washington
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Hi.
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:32:16 GMT

In article <crystal.721538728@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>
>Nope, not polite at all.  In fact, it is ILLEGAL!  Once a turn signal goes
>on you are REQUIRED to let that person into the lane in this state.  But
>nobody seems to know the law. :<
>

Huh?!?  Can you cite the actual law?  This little bit of counter-
intuitive legaleese was never drummed into us in Steering and Parallel
Parking, uh, Drivers' Ed class, or Speed Trap Jail, uh, the Defensive
Driving course.  It goes counter to the rule of the road that a person
*on* a road has the right of way over a person *entering* a road.  
What do you do about those doofs who drive for miles on end with
their turn signals on?  Hold behind them and keep waiting for them to
pull over?  Please cite your source.  Thanks.

-- 
David Breneman     Sys Admin, Tacoma Screw Products, Inc. |  ____  ____  ____
dcb@tacoma.uucp           |   SCREWIE the TSP CLOWN sez-  |   /   /___  /___/ 
 ..!uunet!tacoma!dcb      | "Zinc & cadmium plating stops |  /   ____/ / 
CompuServe: 75760,1232    |  rust & acts as a lubricant!" |
From: fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Panama Deception showing, Nov 15
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:18:22 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: FYL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Il Hwan Oh (il@bambam.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: green@fylz.wa.com (Washington Green) writes:
: > On Sunday, November 15 I will be showing _The Panama Deception_, a
: > video by The Empowerment Project (Coverup) on the invasion of Panama.
: > This was showing in the Seattle area theatres up until a month ago.
: > It does an excellent job of showing what  "official sources" were
: > saying and what people who were there had witnessed and lets you draw
: > your own conclusions.
: 
: Let's talk about this movie a bit.  I'll buy most of what the movie was
: saying.  I just had a problem with the uniformly negative tone toward
: the U.S. government and Bush.  I mean, there must have been something
: they did that wasn't reprehensible.  Even the press couldn't do anything
: right, as far as this movie was concerned.

I thought about your comments.  Now, for something like the Cuba
embargo or welfare or universal health care I can see there are two
sides to the issue.  But, in this case, the US government went in and
bombed the hell out of a bunch of civilian homes in the middle of the
night in order to allegedly capture someone they could have had handed
to them two weeks earlier.  The US press wasn't even there.  I just
don't see much you can say positive about either one.  I invite you to
offer something on "the other side" but, honestly, I can't imagine
what it is.  For example, someone said that the movie seemed to only
interview those who were affected.  Yeah, isn't that reasonable?

Anyway, it's an interesting movie that shows a lot of what each side
had to say at the time.  There are usually discussions after the
movie.  Come watch and discuss.
-- 
Phil Hughes - FYL - 8315 Lk City Wy NE - Suite 207 - Seattle, WA 98115 
Phone: 206-526-2919 x74      Fax: 526-0803
E-mail: fyl@fylz.com or nwnexus!fylz!fyl 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg)
Subject: Re: Hi.
Summary: crazy animals
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:29:34 GMT

In article <crystal.721319491@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>In <1992Nov9.071816.16561@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>>I take it you've never driven up I-5 from LA to Sacremento?  Do it with
>>your window open in the summer, and you will certainly notice that there
>>are places where there is no city.  Don't do this unless you like the
>>smell of cow shit, though!
>
>>This is a great place to drive fast: I-5 is basically a straight line
>>for most of this (with about two places where you actually have to
>>steer).  Just lash your steering wheel to something so it won't move,
>>put a brink on the gas pedal, and take a nap for a few hours -- you'll
>>be fine. :-)  Average speed is about 75 on that stretch.
>
>Yep!  I've driven it - ONCE...and will never do it again.  Two of us had to
>switch driving duties every ten minutes or so because the straightness 
>was putting us both to sleep (dangerous highway hypnosis - there is one curve 
>in the road up ahead, but you never reach it *arrggghh!!!*).  I've warned
>many a person away from that route.  The highway is virtually devoid of cars
>- and for good reason!  It's dangerous...

Ahhh, hell, you just weren't going FAST enough.  I averaged 80MPH on a
run from the Bay Area to Smogville, including a gas stop.  Peak speed
about 100MPH.  Right front passenger on the binocs keeping an eye out
for the CHP.  No problem dozing on that one!  Hardest part was
zig-zagging through the caravans of RVs (some convention, I think).

>>>
>>>Which leads me to another observation:
>>>
>>[animals visible from road in or near city]
>
>>It's sometimes surprising where animals show up.  I was driving one night
>>in the suburbs of Cupertino, in Silicon Valley, and came across ten or
>>fifteen deer crossing the road!  I have no idea where they came from
>>or where they were going, and no one I talked to believed me when I
>>told them about this.
>
>>--Tim Smith
>
>Sorry, Tim...I don't believe you either... ;>
> 
>Crystal
>  ;>

I've seen the deer too, although the 15 foot hairy lizard was an
eye-opener.  (That must have been another trip ;-)  I think the deer
are looking for water (the drought, you know).  Foothill Park in Palo
Alto is full of deer, and the Cupertino foothills are only 5 miles
away.

Erik
Newsgroups: seattle.test
From: fxk@halcyon.com (Francis X (Skip) Kaczynski)
Subject: test
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:39:48 GMT


hello

-- 
F X (Skip) Kaczynski                    24-hr voice: 206/488-7446
fxk@halcyon.com
Newsgroups: seattle.test
From: timf@eskimo.celestial.com (Timothy R. Flanagan)
Subject: test
Keywords: just a test
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:02:38 GMT



like the man says...

-- 
Timothy R. Flanagan
ACLU  EFF  NRA
tim@reed.edu  <--Most reliable email address
tim@eskimo.com
From: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward)
Newsgroups: seattle.test
Subject: testing
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:18:00 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

image test
-- 
-- 
Steven A. Ward
The Boeing Company
Internet: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com    phone: (206) 662-0239
Newsgroups: seattle.forsale,uw.forsale
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: 1 Bedroom U-Dist. Apt. for rent
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:29:52 GMT


One bedroom apt for rent at 4718 11th Ave. NE.  The building is three blocks
from north Campus, one block from Safeway, video rentals, fast food, etc, but
with little foot traffic so it's not subject to many of the problems of
U District living.  The apartment has hardwood floors and is quite large.
Steam heat and all utilities except electricity are included in the $550
rent. The apartment has a full kitchen, dining nook, living room, bedroom,
and bathroom with tub. The building is secure, quiet, and cable-ready.
We don't allow warm blooded pets or smoking. Parking is on-street.
A coin-op washer and dryer are available in the basement ($1/$0.75).

The apartment will be available Dec. 1 and requires first/last/$200 security
payment (refundable).  The last month's payment can be broken into two
and balance due with the second rent payment. The lease period is a six-month
minimum but can be made longer by any period and at your discretion.
Management is mello (since management is struggling through grad school ;o)
and respects tenant privacy.

Contact: David Basiji 527-9172 or email: basiji@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: seattle.forsale
From: ken@halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini)
Subject: Re: Is barter legal ?
Keywords: barter
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:47:58 GMT

In article <2832@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> rcantre@uswnvg.com (Ronald Cantrell) writes:
>Recently I needed some work done on my car.  My wife babysits for a
>family where both parents work, till the father (a mechcanic) lost his
>job.  They offered work done on the car for the babysitting.  It worked
>out great !   Since then we became inundated with these sort of offers
>between people we know who want to trade services.  
>
>My question :  Any legal statutes against this that anyone knows about ?

[Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer]

Sure, this is legal and fine, but the IRS claims to be able to
tax you for "fair market value" on services rendered.


		--Ken Pizzini
Newsgroups: seattle.forsale,uw.forsale,rec.music.marketplace
From: mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman)
Subject: Saxophone for Sale
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:18:10 GMT

  Vito Tenor Sax, good condition, $475
  call Carol at 527-2622.
Newsgroups: seattle.forsale
From: miltensa@milton.u.washington.edu (Sharon Miltenberger)
Subject: SE/30 for sale - followup
Reply-To: miltensa@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:55:01 GMT

  Oh yeah -- I forgot.  the SE/30 deal described
in the previous post can be yours for 1400 o.b.o.
That name and number again:
  Doug Garrou
  (206) 283-1630 after 7 p.m.

Newsgroups: seattle.forsale,uw.forsale,rec.music.marketplace
From: mts@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sean Milligan)
Subject: Laptop and Printer FOR SALE
Keywords: Laptop, Printer
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:42:00 GMT

I'm selling my TANDY 1400LT and my KX-P1124 Panasonic Printer.  Both are in 
excellent condition.  I haven't had a problem with either ever (~3 years.)

Tandy 1400LT
	- 728 KB Memory
	- 2 3.5" 720K Disk Drives
	- Backlit CGA Screen
	- 1200 Baud Internal Modem
	- Laplink III Software and Cables
	- Carrying Case
	- Originally $1200

Panasonic KX-P1124 24 Pin Dot-Matrix Printer
	- 5 Built in Fonts
	- 3 Paper handling options (Tractor Rear, Tractor Bottom, Single Sheet)
	- Originally $300

I'm asking $600 for it all.  Call Sean at 364-8259 or email me at
mts@hardy.u.washington.edu



Newsgroups: seattle.forsale
From: shoe@eskimo.celestial.com (Brian Foote)
Subject: 1987 Sentra 2-Dr
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:46:29 GMT


FOR SALE - 1987 Red Nissan Sentra 2-door
         - Front Wheel Drive
         - 62,000 miles 
         - A/C
         - looks GREAT
         - manual 5 speed
         - AM FM cassette
      replaced:  C-V boots, clutch, front brakes

Car is quiet, comfortable, and in great shape.  Handles well in snow.
We're selling it because we bought a mini-van and we have too many cars
now..
                           reply by E-mail to shoe@eskimo.celestial.com
                                    or call (206) 772-2097
Newsgroups: seattle.forsale
From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Tunturi StairStepper
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:36:40 GMT


For sale: Tunturi Stair Stepper with electronic counter/timer functions.
This unit cost $300 new and is in excellent condition. Unfortunately, my
left knee is not and so I must sell this unit for $150 obo. Nice present
for Christmas! 

283-8802x246 days
744-0845     eves

-Kevin
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 and 14th Amendments among others, or at least I used to be.
Newsgroups: seattle.forsale
From: jsanchez@halcyon.com (Jim Sanchez)
Subject: Amiga 2000 For Sale
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:41:52 GMT

Since I have moved to an OS/2 computer, I would like to sell my faithful
Amiga 2000.  It has:
Rev 6.2 motherboard
A2620 68020 accel board with 4 MB of 32-bit memory
1 MB of Chip memory for a total of 5 MB
Hardframe controller with Quantum 105 
WordSync with 40 MB Quantum
Rev 2.04 ROMS
CBM De-Interlacer (Forget the part number)

Software:
Lattice 5 compiler
True Basic
Quarterback and QB Tools
ProDraw
ProPage (V3)
DPaint v4.1

Lots of other stuff.

This is a European system that I bought while in Belgium.  It has a
European keyboard which gives you some extra keys.  The keytops on a few
keys are a bit unusual but with keymapeditor you can define the keys to
do what you want.  Also, it is 220 volt power but I will provide a
stepdown transformer. I understand that the power supply has a jumper
inside to convert to 110 volts - I cannot confirm that.  This system has
served me well for three years and I want it to get to a good home.  I
would like to get about $1400 for it but lets talk.  It does NOT include
a monitor.
Cheers
-- 
Jim Sanchez
Hughes LAN Systems jim@hls.com OR jsanchez@halcyon.com
Kirkland, WA 98033 (206)828-7417 (voice) (206)828-2454 (FAX)
Newsgroups: seattle.forsale
From: bketcham@stein.u.washington.edu (Benjamin Ketcham)
Subject: Dog on long term loan, anyone?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:06:35 GMT

A friend of mine has a really cute dog.  I am personally friends with
this dog.  Duffy (the dog) loves the outdoors, and is a much better
climber than I am.

The problem is that my friend's landlords have a weight restriction of
15 lbs for dogs, and Duffy has now reached his terminal weight of 30 lbs.
He is really not a big dog by my standards, but I guess they mainly want
poodles at my friend's apartment building.

My friend is planning to buy a house in the intermediate future, but until
then he needs to find Duffy a temporary home.

So let's say you are planning to leave this area in a year or two, and
don't want to get involved with a permanent dog.  How would you like to
adopt Duffy for a while to tide you over?  If it works for human
relationships, maybe it can work with dogs, too.  Needless to say, you'd
be doing my friend (and Duffy) a big favour.  I imagine my friend would
gladly pay all of Duffy's food and medical expenses during this period.

I don't know much about dogs myself.  If you are interested, email me
and I'll tell you what kind he is (after I find out myself).  He looks
like a small variant of the husky, with long hair.  He's really
exceptionally charming.  I usually don't like dogs, but this one won
my heart, and I hope that someone will take an interest in his future.

--ben

Newsgroups: seattle.forsale