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From: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: Re: Cryptoexplosions
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:00:20 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug26.222151.1@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>Does anybody have any information on crypto-explosion sites in the
>midwest (Kentland,IN.-Serpent Mound, OH.-Jeptha Knob,KY.-Glasford,IL.-
>Wells Creek,TN.-ect.?)

Manson, Iowa

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Joel J. Hanes
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Roadside Geology?  (was Re: Cryptoexplosions)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:13:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161619.12525@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> martin@space.ualberta.ca (Martin Connors) writes:

>given. Another place to look would be in Mountain Press' excellent  
>'Roadside Geology' series although I am not sure how far east these go.  
>Please let us know what you find!


Is this series really "excellent"?  I've read some complaints
from geologists about inaccuracies and even plagarism in some
of the volumes.

BTW, there are books in the series for east coast states, including
New York and Vermont/New Hampshire.

	Paul
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Plate Tectonic Theory: HELP NEEDED.
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:07:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.031545.7206@rata.vuw.ac.nz> harper@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (John Harper) writes:
>The refs people have given on this problem are on plate movements. The
>original questioner asked about earth expansion, a different but related
>problem. The most cogent paper I know on that is M W McElhinny, Bull.
>Aust. Soc. Explor. Geophys. 9, 149-152, 1978, "Limits to Earth Expansion".

The most convincing evidence these days is direct measurement of plate motion
by Global Positioning Satellite.  There were earlier direct motion by radar
astronomy, but these took many years of measurements to see movement and only
from a few locations.
Problems:
(1) Although scientists are able to derive an average motion rate from seafloor
magnetic stripes, there seems to be no apriori reason this motion is continuous
and detectable by GPS.  A case could be made the motion is discontinous, in
terms of catrosphic meter jumps every century or so by earthquakes and volcanic
eruptions, rather than the more continuous few centimenters a year.  However,
only a fraction of plate motion energy seems to be released in catastrophic
events and the ealry evidence is the motion is pretty continuous.
(2) These motions could be summed together to see if there is any net radius
change in the earth or spin of the crust.  It will probably take a couple of
decades to accumlate a worldwide measurement set to make this calculation.
(3) Of the three types of plate boundaries- separation, sliding, and convergence-
The direct motion evidence is strongest for sliding, next for separation, and
weakest for convergence.  I recall just one direct measurement of convergence
motion.  The expansionists claim that relatively little convergence is taking
place.  So I hope for more measurements at this type of boundary.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology,ca.earthquakes
From: rstenson@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ronald Ernest Stenson)
Subject: Roadside Geology
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:26:50 GMT

I have always found the Roadside Geology series to be very good guides, full
of ancilary information.  I cannot think of a text - popular or specialized
which does not contain obvious errors - if that's what you are looking for.

In any event, no text is a substitute for field work and intelligent
observation.  These books do not claim to be anything more than a guide
to some of the more the more obvious and easily accessible geologic sites
in the states for which they are available.  Their content is based on
available information, and is subject to all the errors of previous           
researchers and guides.  This should not detract from their usefulness as
field guides.  I would never - however - use any of them as the singular
source of information for any important research I was involved in.  I own
three of the guides and sometimes use them to help plan working vacations.

As professionals we must remember that the series is produced for public
consumption and does not reflect the scientific rigour which we put into
our own work.

Enjoy the guides for what they are and don't flame them for what they might
have been had they been intended for professional consumption.

R.E. Stenson, Department of Geography, University of Waterloo, Waterloo,
Ontario, N2L 3G1.

rstenson@spartan.ac.brocku.ca
From: mikes@spring.unr.edu (Mike Slattery)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: LaTeX file for AGU abstracts
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:21:25 GMT
Reply-To: mikes@spring.unr.edu (Mike Slattery)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, Las Vegas, NV

Hello netters, 

I was wondering if someone would share their LaTeX style file for
abstracts in the AGU preferred format? Does such a critter exist on
a ftp site? Thanks in advance! Mike Slattery


 







mikes@spring.wrc.unr.edu   Mike Slattery 

Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: martin@space.ualberta.ca (Martin Connors)
Subject: Re: Cryptoexplosions
Reply-To: martin@space.ualberta.ca (Martin Connors)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:16:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.222151.1@indyvax.iupui.edu>  
tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
> Does anybody have any information on crypto-explosion sites in the
> midwest (Kentland,IN.-Serpent Mound, OH.-Jeptha Knob,KY.-Glasford,IL.-
> Wells Creek,TN.-ect.?) 
> Thomas Freebairn 

Although Serpent Mound rings a bell with me more as an archaeological site  
than a geological one, I suggest that you -may- find further reading and  
useful references by consulting "25 Years of the Impact-Volcanic  
Controversy" by Bevan M. French, EOS Transactions of the American  
Geophysical Union v71, p411 (24 Apr 1990). A long list of references is  
given. Another place to look would be in Mountain Press' excellent  
'Roadside Geology' series although I am not sure how far east these go.  
Please let us know what you find!

Martin Connors
Space Research
University of Alberta
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: frank@wanda.princeton.edu (Frank Bilotti)
Subject: Re: Address for R.W. Allmendinger
Followup-To: sci.geo.geology
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization:  Princeton Univ.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:52:35 GMT

In article <dwv.714249477@magic>, dwv@magic.ucsb.edu (Dave Valentine;GS
2012;3471) wrote:
> 
> Netters, 
> One of my fellow grad students was looking for the manual to the stereonet program by R.W. Almendinger.  Does anybody have an address for Dr. Allmendinger?
> Does anybody know what the latest version of the program is?
.
.
.
> dwv@magic.ucsb.edu

we have v.4.1 and it runs on the Quadra, as for the address try:

Rick Almendinger
Dept. Geological Sci.
Snee Hall, Cornell U
Ithaca, NY  14853-1504

frank@wanda.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: martin@space.ualberta.ca (Martin Connors)
Subject: Scientific American KT debate
Keywords: extinction,meteor,volcano
Reply-To: martin@space.ualberta.ca (Martin Connors)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:41:49 GMT

I have not seen a reply to a recent inquiry about the Sci. Am. 'debate' so  
I looked it up. The articles appeared in October 1990, one by Walter  
Alvarez and Frank Asaro, one by Vincent Courtillot. Neither would likely  
be considered very up-to-date anymore in this fast-paced field, but they  
clearly lay out the debate as it then was.
Martin Connors - Great White North
From: julie@hood.nrl.navy.mil (Julie, A Hood)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: RSMAS-Univ of Miami
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:49:07 GMT

Reporting to you *LIVE* from your nations capital:
In spite of evil nasty Hurricane Andrew the University of Miami
Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric Science
*will* be open for business Monday August 31.
The phones are being staffed NOW and will be throughout the weekend.
Call the Dean's office (305) 361-4000, say hi, and send chocolate...
--
Julie, A Hood (soon to be a Hurricane)
**So many equations, so little time...
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: scatter@scubed.com (McLauglin)
Subject: Re: S wave vel from Rayleigh vel
Reply-To: scatter@s3mercury.scubed.com
Organization: S-CUBED Division of Maxwell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:58:00 GMT

In article <14589@mindlink.bc.ca>, Graham_Parkinson@mindlink.bc.ca (Graham Parkinson) writes:
|> Has anyone gotten practical experience with deriving
|> soil properties from the Rayleigh wave velocities?

Yes.  See reference
"Shallow Shear Wave Velocity and Q Structures at the El Centro Strong
Motion Accelerograph Array", T. G. Barker and J. L. Stevens,
Geophysical Research Letters, Vol 10, #9, 853-856.

|> These would then be measurable during a standard Pwave, shallow
|> refraction engineering seismic survey.  Apparently
|> there is a paper by Stokey that has shown how to
|> relate shear velocities (used to calculate bulk
|> modulus) to rayleigh velocites.  Any ideas on the
|> depth that would be sampled by a surface wave and of any
|> other limits to the use this concept that would show
|> up in practice?

We at S-CUBED have had extensive experiance using Rayleigh waves from small
arrays and can generally "see" a wavelength or so below the surface.
In practise, it is easy to think that you see deeper and you
need to use geophysical inversion theory to evaluate the resolution
of these methods.  The key is to get a source with as much low-frequency
as possible and get as much recorded bandwidth as possible.  A LARGE
weight drop source and standard earthquake aftershock geophones (1 to 4 Hz)
can produce very good results to 10's of meters depth.

As for the methods used by Stokey, I will only comment that his methods
are not recommended.  We have found that recording only the correlation
lag between sensors and assuming it is a Rayleigh wave is dubious at best.
Furthermore, some applications include structures that do not have
a classical Rayleigh wave -- such as a high velocity pavement over a 
low velocity soil/rock half-space.  We have found that Stokey's method
can get the "correct" answer only by fotuitous luck. 


-- 
Keith L. McLaughlin (scatter)
e-mail: scatter@vulcan.scubed.com, scatter@seismo.CSS.GOV
phone: 619-587-8436, 619-453-0060, FAX 619-755-0474
snail-mail: S-CUBED, Div. Maxwell Laboratories, POB 1620, La Jolla, CA 92038
From: Graham_Parkinson@mindlink.bc.ca (Graham Parkinson)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
Subject: S wave vel from Rayleigh vel
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:19:26 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Has anyone gotten practical experience with deriving
soil properties from the Rayleigh wave velocities?
These would then be measurable during a standard Pwave, shallow
refraction engineering seismic survey.  Apparently
there is a paper by Stokey that has shown how to
relate shear velocities (used to calculate bulk
modulus) to rayleigh velocites.  Any ideas on the
depth that would be sampled by a surface wave and of any
other limits to the use this concept that would show
up in practice?
--
******************************************************************
*  Graham Parkinson - Frontier GeoSciences, Vancouver BC CANADA  *
*  uunet Graham_Parkinson@Mindlink.bc.ca                         *
******************************************************************
Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology
From: joe@montebello.soest.hawaii.edu (Joe Dellinger)
Subject: HVO report
Reply-To: joe@montebello.soest.hawaii.edu
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:07:34 GMT

From wh6dt@wh6af.hi.usa.oc [hilo] (GREG)

Since our Scientist-In-Charge, David Clague, was off the island 
for annual leave, there was no Volcano Watch column this 
week.  Instead, here are some humble notes I took at the 
Monday morning meeting of the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory 
staff:

The episode 51 vent turned off on Saturday (8/30), sometime 
early in the morning.  The activity last week had been minor, 
with flows coming out of a short tube about 1.5 km south (one 
mile) from the western slopes of the Pu'u 'O'o cinder cone.  
Previous flows have managed to make to the forest's edge and 
burn a path to the edge of the pali, but the sluggish nature of 
the eruption leaves the vent on only for weeks at a time, not 
enough time to set up a channel and later, a tube system.

The lava lake inside the crater of Pu'u 'O'o is still 65-70 meters 
(200 feet) below the lowest point on the rim, a reflection of the 
drag time in the plumbing system of the volcano.  If the vent 
stays off, the lake level will rise perhaps to the crater floor, 30 
meters down (100 ft).

Seismicity has been low at both the summits of Kilauea and 
Mauna Loa and ground deformation has been minimal.  This 
has freed up much of the staff to look back at older 
data and analyze it for patterns that would reveal, for instance, 
a characteristic pattern of seismicity and deformation before 
the eruption of Kupaianaha.  With so much monitoring going on, 
it's common for the staff to never have time to do basic 
research.  Often our data is shared with researchers abroad 
who have more money, better facilities and willing graduate 
students to perform the basic scientific investigation necessary 
for forecasting eruptions at volcanoes.

Speaking of funding, Sen. Dan managed to scratch up enough 
green stamps to help HVO make it through the next fiscal year.  
His visit on Tuesday, though, was postponed until October, 
perhaps in the anticipation that Pele will now come through 
with an eruption closer to the summit.  Talk about your under-
the-table-deals. . .

Aloha+73 de Greg wh6dt@wh6af.hi.usa.oc

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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: BOOM! yet another hurricane-killing idea
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:20:44 GMT


Interesting thread.

But wouldn't either pumping energy by mirrors or bombs just  
evaporate more water, pumping energy into the hurricane.

Remember, that a single thunderstorm cell has the energy  
equivalent to a good size nuke.  

A 100 MT H-Bomb can put a 1.5 psi overpressure about 13  
miles away.  Consider that the eye may have an  
underpressure greater than this, but be substantially  
larger.  It's not clear at all how the release of energy  
will disrupt the hurricane.

You *might* be able to change it's path by exploding such a  
device in the wall.
From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Eye of the Hurricane
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:47:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <28AUG92.16374657@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>In a previous article, calvins@suzies.Eng.Sun.COM (Christopher Klein) wrote:
>>In article <1992Aug25.174335.3563@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker) writes:
>>>The latest report puts the eye of Andrew at about 30nm wide.  I know that
>>>they eye of a hurricane is supposed to be relatively calm.  What do the 

>>Wow!  30nm?  That's one tight eye!

>Nope.  Pretty average.  It was 10nm across at its strongest.  Hugo's

30 nm = 30 nanometers = 30 * 10e-9 meters.  Pretty small.  Not quite
atomic dimensions, but close.  Considerably smaller than a typical mean
free path, which is about 100 nm.

Perhaps the report meant to say 30 n. mi. = 30 nautical miles.
-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
perryr@purccvm          This signature gives you specific legal rights.  You
N9LFF                   might have other rights that vary from state to state.
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Deaths in Dade County, FL
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:25:21 GMT
Distribution: na

Here's a run down of the 14 of the 15 deaths (so far discovered) in
Dade County, FL:

Naomi Browning, 12: Killed by a piece of wood that broke thru a window
of her home and struck her.

Emma Parker, 74: Fell to her death from a window. She was apparently
trying to remove duct tape from a window in her seventh floor apartment.

Vidal Perez, 47, and Francisco Sospedra, 74: Killed by flying debris
while attempting to find sturdier shelter when their home collapsed.
12 other family members survied.

Anthony Margiotta: He and his girlfriend are blind, and he fell off his
seventh floor balcony after trying to check on a screen.

Unknown white male: body found floating in a canal.

Miguel Pulido, 62: Was trying to ride out the storm in a mobile home.
The home came apart and rolled several times, crushing him. His wife
and three children escaped unharmed.

Herman Lucerne, 77: Went to his garage for plywood, fell and went into
respitory arrest and died.

Claude Owens, 46: Killed when his roof collapsed and a piece of it struck
him in the neck.

Roberto Ramos, 40: As his house collapsed, he fled to his barn, but was
killed by debris.

Gladys Porter, 91: She refused to evacuate her mobile home.

Mary Cowan, 67: Survived the first portion of the hurricane and was alive
when the eye passed over, but the second half of the strom flattened her
apartment.

Harry Boyer, 67: was crushed when a retirement home collapsed.

Unknown White Male: was brought to a hospital after he was found crushed
in his collapsed home.

Information about one death was unavailable when the St. Petersburg, FL
_Times_ went to press. 
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology,sci.environment
Subject: Re: sea surface elevation beneath a hurricane
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:04:24 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

It's 1 meter per 100 millibars.....

Torricelli was able to show that 1 atmosphere would support a column
of water 32 feet (~10m) high.  1 atmosphere == 1000 + change millibars.


-- 
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Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: mmoore@cs.ulowell.edu (Michael P. Moore)
Subject: Weather software for Commodore Amiga
Summary: Any Type Of Software Wanted
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:17:31 GMT

Hi,

I was wondering if anybody knows of any type of weather software for the Amiga
line of computers.  I am looking for Tropical storm tracking software, 
satellite animation software and just about anything else.  Is anything
available by FTP?

Thanks In Advance
Mike Moore
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From: krej@electrum.kth.se (Kristian Ejvind)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology,sci.environment
Subject: Re: sea surface elevation beneath a hurricane
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:11:32 GMT
	<1992Aug29.202958.19515@cs.tulane.edu>
	<1992Aug30.031546.10649@meteor.wisc.edu>
	<Aug30.050502.28645@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <Aug30.050502.28645@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:

   1) There is a sea level rise due to decreasing pressure, but it's minor
   compared to sea rise due to wind stress. I think the ratio is something
   like 1 meter per 10 mb drop in pressure, but I'm not sure (if someone
   has this number, post it)

Well, here's my 0.02 KR: Using my knowledge in physics: A pressure of 1000 mb
is approximately 10 meters of water, (measured in the same way as with Hg)
thus 1 meter difference in 'waterpressure' would be 100 mb difference. I
don't what the effect is on 'the real and horrible world, outside my computer',
but the sea level rice due to lower pressure cannot possibly be larger than
this.

/Kristian Ejvind
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Tidal waves...
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  3 Sep 92 06:09:08 GMT

After hearing of the tidal waves that recently hit the Nicarauguan
coast, I was wondering if someone could tell me how far inland tidal
waves would go? These waves were supposedly ~30' high. Is there some
formula to calulate how far inland they would travel, based on wave
height?
Thanks!

 ........posted for Beverly H.
--
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(205)-544-2846                         |  700 Boulevard South, #401
drvax3!harris@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov    |  Huntsville, AL  35802
From: louns@cs.washington.edu (Michael Lounsbery)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Weather Gifs are not real Gif Files
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:26:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

mmoore@cs.ulowell.edu (Michael P. Moore) writes:
>I just tried to view the CVIS.GIF file from vmd.cso.uiuc.edu on my Amiga's
>gif viewer and it told me that it wasn't a .gif file format.  Are the weather
>gifs of some other format and just get the extention .gif and if they are
>another graphics format, then what format is it.  

My GIF reader has had no trouble.  Perhaps you need to set BINARY when you
ftp? I noticed most postings on ftp sites omitted this vital piece of info:
when you receive an image file (or other non-text), first type the command
"BINARY" so that the file is received in the proper format.

Regards,

Michael Lounsbery
louns@cs.washington.edu
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