From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Penn State update <more bad news>
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:26:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.225549.14128@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You should pull your head out of the muddy banks of the Raritan and note
> that the two players "legally charged" were suspended indefinetly from the team.
> The other two may have been arrested but released by State College's finest.
> Apparently they didn't have any charges against them.  State College's
> police are notorious for singling out athletes.

And people who break the law.

>  
> As far as hooliganism Penn State leaves that to the Big East.         

An entire conference of Hooligans?

> 
> The QB constantly being hauled in was found sitting at a curb drunk
> at 3am, hardly hurting anyone at the time.  He was the starting QB and the

          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You're dead wrong here.  

> kid had a drinking problem, not unusual at a university and never was
> a "loud drunk".  He was also removed from the team and placed in a rehab
> center for his own good.  Joe's handling was commendable, he filtered the
> trash away so the QB could address the problem.

John, you're taking two different tacts here.  Drunkenness is a problem,
some of your post seems to recognize this; the rest denies it. Statements
like "hardly hurting anyone at the time" and "never was a loud drunk"
shows no understanding of alcholism.  The guy was removed from the team 
and placed in rehab when?  After he was arrested a few times?

                                                   Of course Bob I suppose
> you think there is no such thing as a drinking problem and the QB should
> have been booted off the team, school and Centre County.  Real good Bob he
> shows the players that society doesn't care and destroys a persons life to 
> boot.
> 
You suppose wrong.  I know about drinking problems -- how they destroy
lives bury families, and ruin careers.  Knock off the straw man arguments.
Booted off the team: yes.  Off the school: no.  Off the county: c'mon.

> Keep in mind that college football is a sport and JoePa is just a coach.
> kicking Engram and Sayles off the team is all he can do and yes it does 
> send a message considering these two players were battling for the starting
> WR spot (a thin position for PSU this year).

I'll look for the article I read.  It said they were allowed to continue
practicing with the team along with other players who had "disciplinary
decisions pending" or similar phraseology.

> 
> By the way Bob, for a person who has always been so anti-Penn State you sure 
> are concerned about how JoePa handles the team.

Not "always" just in the last few years when they screwed Rutgers,
Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, and, probably, Temple.  (This goes back to
PSU's scheduling demands and kiss-off to the east in joining the Big10.)

                                                    `Gee, I don't recall
> seeing any of your slams when  a player from your favorite conference
> (Big East) was charged by a FEDERAL GRAND JURY for Pell
> grant fraud.

There were lots of articles on the Pell Grant Fraud, I didn't respond
because I had nothing to add; but when PSU has an arrest there's no
mention until an article comes out (from a PSU address) that something
naughty happened but it can't be posted, but send me e-mail and I'll
fill you in.  What's up with that?  Also, look at the Subject line
<more bad news>.  If everything was under control, why is there
"more" bad news.

>                 At least when PSU players are not assisted in crimes
> by the school's administration.

Huh?


> 
> The image of Bob is slipping.
> 
> 
> John L

I am a Big East fan; I don't like Penn State football:
don't read too much into any of that.


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