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From: Mathew L. Spolin <mspolin@cyber.hughes.american.edu>
Subject: Documentary Films Discussion??
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A725B9ED04019637@cyber.hughes.american.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:11:41 GMT
Organization: Cybervision Productions
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:07:50 GMT

Is there any sort of news feed or mailing list for the discussion of
documentary films?  I know there aren't many being made, but I'd be
interested in knowing anyone who is interested in this exciting format.

---Matt Spolin
   American University
   Washington DC
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.postmodern,alt.cult-movies
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 03:57:48 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile
Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque

Juha Aaltonen asks:
| "Would you regard Greenaway as postmodern(ist)?"

nevins@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Nevins) writes:
| What exactly do you mean by "postmodern(ist)?"  What would it mean
| if he were or weren't?  This is a word that, it seems to me, everyone
| is using these days, and I wonder what its common meaning is.  As
| a student of literature by profession, I have a good sense of what it
| means in the academy (as a technical term--some would say as "jargon"),
| but I'm intrigued, and a bit concerned, about its general use.  Can
| someone *be* a "postmodern(ist)?"

We can peform an experiment.  I will regard Greenaway as
a postmodernist for a 72-hour period beginning at 1200
EST Nov. 15, 1992.  Samplings should be taken at critical
locales at one-hour intervals.  
-- 

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From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:07:45 GMT

In <1992Nov11.122429.11753@bsu-ucs> 00bjhoyt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>Lucas also stated in an interview with Roger Ebert in 1991 that the next Star
>Wars movies were going to be episodes I-III... One of the big things I'd like 
>to see in the new Star Wars movies is a the jedi knights have a huge land saber
>battle against an enemy...Would be awsome to see the SFX going into mass saber
>battles!

That _would_ be awesome!  I think it'd be good on Tatooine, myself, but I'm not
sure where the bulk of the Clone Wars is supposed to be centered.  The special
effects, as I said in an earlier post (although it might've been in the 
starwars newsgroup), I can't wait to see the new speial effects Lucas creates.
He was always a pioneer of special effects--think of how advanced the Star Wars
effects were for the time; now imagine the stuff he could do with today's
technology.  Surround sound, better computer animation, computer-generated
objects... I'll bet it's a lot better than T2!!  A mass saber battle would
definitely be a good idea...
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Creative Bleeping.
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:58:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.74616
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov12.012213.2604@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

>But why would f*ck be any less offensive than fuck?

To me, it isn't.  But some people much prefer to see "f*ck" or "f**k" than
"fuck."

Why?  Because it's offensive to use such profanity.  It's not profanity
if you're using the word in quotes, you're just referring to the word.
If you use it in normal sentenses, though, it's profanity.

I don't care either way.


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "I want you to remember, Clark... in all
Georgia Institute of Technology  |  the years to come, in your most private
Office of Information Technology |  moments...my hand at your throat.  I want
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS movies?
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:08:28 GMT

In article <Bx598w.Lx8@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>A couple pretty bad ones (commercially and critically) but kids still seem
>to enjoy are "Santa Claus: The Movie" and "Dancer" (or was it "Prancer"?)
>
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>|            Brad Barton -- brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org          |
>| "Mother you've taught me the laws are so fine,              |
>|  If I'm good, that I will be protected.                     |
>|  I've fallen through the crack and there's no getting back, |
>|  Now I'll never trust whoever gets elected.                 |
>|                      -- Suzanne Vega "Bad Wisdom"           |
>---------------------------------------------------------------

I still want to know how that cocaine joke got into "Santa Claus:The Movie".
I mena, what did you think the "magic white powder" they gave the
reindeer was?

					--Judex--
From: arnold@pyramid.unr.edu (Bruce M Arnold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 007 - The Living Daylights Soundtrack
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <69192@cup.portal.com> Schneider@cup.portal.com (Mike ---- Schneider) writes:
>EMI records has just released a 30th anniversary limited edition 
>compilation of 007 music. It is up to date with all theme songs
>from russia with love ----->license to kill. 
>Also included are lost 007 music recently found at the EMI record vaults
>in London and radio commercials from some of the movies.
>All music has been digitally remastered and sounds GREAT!!!!
>This is an offical release!!!!!
>Not imitation sound stage orchestra crap.
>EMI #7-98560-2

It's nice to see someone has replied to my post... but "The Living
daylights" is the theme song to _The_Living_Daylights_... and I'm not sure
who sings that (Duran-Duran??), but the song I want is "If there was a
man" by The Pretenders that they play the insturmental to the entire
movie, and it is the song playing at the end when the credits are
scrolling.. STILL looking for _THE_LIVING_DAYLIGHTS_ soundtrack.. even
willing to sell something I really love to get it.. 

(but thanks, I have heard about the new set, and will probably buy it).. 

PLEASE, I still need help

(Reply by E-mail please, I don't want to miss finding this soundtrack)

Bruce..

--
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No, I haven't taken GMBL-101 yet! -> (Bruce Arnold to same cousin)
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Name this NUCLEAR/TERRORIST movie
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:22:28 GMT

Just passing thru.

>Special Bulletin.

Amazing film, closest thing to War of the Wars I have seen.  I remember
the first time I caught it maybe 2/3s the way thru.  If it were not for
the male news lead being an actor I recognized (Ed ...) I wondered for
a moment if it was actually happening.  Shortly there after a good Lou Grant
episode did something similar except it left the audience hanging more.
I thought about getting this film from NBC to show to some one at LLNL
especially regarding NEST teams.  He would be amused and probably shocked.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:32181 alt.cult-movies:10012
From: ucapijd@ucl.ac.uk (Ian Davenport)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Bladerunner DC in UK.
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:39:24 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

markf@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Foster) writes:

>The Directors cut of Bladerunner will be screened as the final film in
>the 36th London Film Festival on November 22nd (source:Film '92)

>The question is...

>WHERE AND WHAT TIME !!!!

I looked into this a couple of weeks back, and the salient facts are...

1. NFT members got first bite at the tickets, and they were vastly 
   oversubscribed when they became available at the end of October. So they've
   certainly gone by now.

2. Film goes on general release 5 days later on 27th Nov, so go to that.

Ian J Davenport    MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

          " I want more life, <!>" - Blade Runner , ITV cut
From: jean.simon@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jean Simon) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: the big blue
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: jean.simon@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jean Simon) 

 -=> Quoting Matt Garretson to All <=-

 MG> Your post piqued my interest. Since it seems that at least some of the
 MG> text on the outside of the box is in French, and since it is the
 MG> "long" version, I was wondering if they might just mean that it is the 
 MG> original version; i.e. "Le Grand Bleu" and not "The Big Blue". I would
 MG> really love to know which score this version has... the original Eric

In France, there were TWO versions of "Le grand bleu", the two versions ,
of course, have the unforgettable music of Eric Serra. In the second
version, some scenes were added, example: Rosanna Arquette visits 2 times
Mayol before living with him. 
I have seen the US version with the music of Bill Conti, truly it's a shame 
that they (I don't know who) change the music. Also the end is completely
different in the US version.
Right now, I don't know which version , you can find in video.

... Catch the Blue Wave!  
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From: rpeeler@uhccvx (Russ Peeler)
Subject: Re: Trivia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.031027.22798@Virginia.EDU>, bac2a@Virginia.EDU ("Bryan Alexis Conner") writes...
>ircolman@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca  writes:
>> 
>> I am hoping somebody could help identify the following movie quotes:
>> 
>> 
>> 1) "Women, a mistake? Or did He do it to us on purpose?"

Jack Nicholson in _The Witches of Eastwick

>> 
>> 2) "We came, we saw, we kicked its ass!"
>> 
>> 3) "I hope they weren't triplets."
>> 
>> 
>> Please send any responses to ircolman@descartes.uwaterloo.ca.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Ian Colman
>> 
>\i dont kmow the answer to the first quote, and although the
>second one could be in a number of movies I remeber it best in
>when Bill Murray said it in GHOSTBUSTERS.
> 
>As for the third quote, it was George Segal who said it, I
>think in Marked for Death. It was the one where he has to kill
>a ferocious drug cartel leader, only to find that after he
>kills him, the guy has a twin brother who is just as evil and
>must also be killed.
> 
>..

Russ
From: rchandle@maths.tcd.ie (Ross Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: why the hang-up on NC17?
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:37:02 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U) writes:

>Just out of curiosity, why do people in the US have a hang-up with the NC17
>rating.  In Canada, that is the equivalent of the 'R' rating (or '18' in
>Quebec), i.e. no one under 18 allowed.  And trust me, there are MANY films
>with the 'R' / '18' rating in Canada.
>I'm sure this is the case in most countries around the world, too.
>Anyone out there know why?
>-- 
>Scott B. Weaver		Internet: sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca
 
Yes that is the case elsewhere. For example in the UK and Ireland and
I'm pretty sure it's the same in most of continental Europe. I was
talking to a spaniard and he expressed amazement that T2 (uncut) got
a 15s-cert in Ireland, as far as I could tell this film had the
equivalent of a PG in spain.       
Are cinema audiencies all really young in the US or something?

Ross.

-- 
 
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From: 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: Re: STAR WARS
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:34:33 GMT

In article <SS.92Nov10072719@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
>Subject: Re: STAR WARS
>Date: 10 Nov 92 07:27:19
>

 I could be way off base on this one, but I HEARD, just HEARD, that Winona 
Ryder signed on to play Princess Leia in the prequels/sequels. This came 
from a, er, fairly reliable source.













>>>             I mean any information on a new Star Wars movie?
>>> 
>
>>Right now Lucas is working on a new Star Wars Movie. It it episode I.
>>Don't know the title of the movie.  Lucas has said that the movie is
>>to be about the adventures of Obiwan Kenobi and Anikan(sp) Skywalker
>>when they were very young.  The movie is to be released sometime
>>between 1995-1998...
>
>dsblack> I heard that he was supposed to be working on Episode VII,
>dsblack> which is the one after Return of the Jedi.  This was from an
>dsblack> interview someone (a show) did with Lucas fairly recently.
>dsblack> Obviously, they've already done two of the books, and I'm
>dsblack> sure are working on the third (which would be Episode IX, the
>dsblack> last one chronologically).  I think you have the dates right,
>dsblack> but I haven't heard anything about the first three episodes
>dsblack> other than they plan to do them eventually (although whether
>dsblack> Lucas will do them is still up in the air).
>
>This has come up a million time. The 3 new books (2 of which are out)
>are NOT GOING TO BE THE NEXT MOVIES! There books. Thats it. There was
>a recent interview with Lucas in the last issue of the LucasFilm Fan
>Club. He stated right now he is still working on Young Indy. In the
>next couple of years he will write the Star Wars movies which will be
>parts I-III. It will deal with a young Ben, and Anakin Skywalker, and
>the Clone Wars. We should see the films BETWEEN 1995-2000. You people
>should read rec.arts.sf.starwars if your truly intrested in SW. This
>has all been discussed to death there.
>
>--
> Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
> ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: A Clockwork Orange
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:38:22 GMT

In article <30OCT199210563861@portal.lasc.lockheed.com> le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel) writes:
>In article <1crakdINNf4u@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, stuam@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr O A Machado) writes...
>
>>Yeah, the film is unavailable legally, but the black market is pretty much
>>flooded with copies already - many of which have come from other European
>>countries, thus avoiding the loss in quality that would result from 
>>converting one of your American NTSC tapes to our PAL system.
>> 
>Why in the world did Kubrick withdraw this movie?  I think it's one of his
>great ones!

The rumor mill says...

I've heard that he was having problems (everything from being hassled in
general to threats on him and his family) from people who were upset about
the movie, and he got so disgusted with the attitudes of people wrt his film
that he just pulled it from the country (he may have left the UK for a
little while as well, to wait for things to calm down).

                                               -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: jean.simon@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jean Simon) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: jean-pierre melville
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:54:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: jean.simon@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jean Simon) 

 -=> Quoting Timothy Worsley to All <=-

 TW> are more general things too).  I think LES ENFANTS TERRIBLES must be
 TW> available on video in the US but I haven't seen that one yet.  I really
 TW> want to find LE SAMOURAI; it sounds very "Woo-esque" (it's about a
 TW> doomed, cold-hearted hitman or something).  Many of these are
 TW> apparently stylish gangster flicks (LE DEUXIEME SOUFFLE, L'ARMEE DES
 TW> OMBRES). 

Bonjour !
For a guy who claims he is not a specialist of JP Melville, you know him
pretty well. There is just one thing I disagree (but maybe I didn't quite
understand your message), is that you put "L'armee des ombres" under 
"gangster" label. This is not the case. "L'armee des ombres" tells the story
of the French resistants against the Nazis and the Gestapo during 
the german occupation in France during World War 2. Those resistants are
fighting the germans to liberate France. I don't think we can call them 
gangsters.

The movie stars Lino Ventura (a very good actor), Simone Signoret, Paul 
Meurisse, Jean-Pierre Cassel, Serge Reggianni.

For the record, this is my best Melville's movie, in the second place, I
will choose "Le cercle rouge" with the unforgettable Bourvil and Yves 
Montand.

Juste mes 2 centimes.!!

... Catch the Blue Wave!
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From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney)
Subject: Need help with a 70s horror/terror film
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:43:21 GMT

     I vaguely remember an old horror movie that I saw parts of in the
late 70s. It was about a house which was possessed by several people.
I can only really recall one image: When the new owner of the house
leaves the security station, all of the cameras monitoring the house
suddenly show pictures of the people who died and now possess the house.
     Is this enough info for anyone to recognize this flick? Thanks in
advance,

+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
| "A lot of stuff in school... you don't appreciate | Jack McKinney          |
|  'til you get to be older, you know, little       | jmckinney@tamu.edu     |
|  things, like being spanked everyday by a middle- +------------------------+
|  aged woman... Stuff you'd pay good money for     | Blessed be the ties    |
|  later in life."      -Emo Philips                |      that bind...      |
+---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+
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From: coll@mfci.UUCP (Gary Collinsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Descrambler for Sale (enable to watch free HBO and DSNY chnls)
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:20:44 GMT
Reply-To: coll@mfci.UUCP (Gary Collinsworth)
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Service Branford, Ct.

In article <716@alchemy.UUCP> hzink@alchemy.UUCP (Harald K. Zink) writes:
>
>Please, take a dose of reality, and make the proper comparisons.  Descrambling 
>cable is not lie stealing CDs, more like buying them, taking them homa and 
>taping them, and then returning teh CDs for a refund.  Neither is perfectly 
>legal (actually, there are laws against it), but CDs do not cost what they cost
>because people make copies of them 9and lots of people do), just as cable is 
>not expensive because people have descarmblers.

  "perfectly legal"? What does that mean? 

>Remember, to use a descrambler, you need to have basic service to start with, 
>and for that you pay money.  Cable companies pump the same adat in all 
>households anyway, and they make large amounts of money whether you have HBO or
>not.  The reasons their prices are high is because they can get away with 
>charging these prices, as they are not regulated.

 They make so much money that we have the right to steal? 

>
>A point to consider though, is that the actual programming providers get gipped
>(HBO or Disney), and just tapping into the cable without even getting basic 
>service is highly immoral and illegal (come one, you gotta pay for the labor of

 I see - 

 Assuming $20 per month basic service, and $10 for HBO, then I gather
 it's ok to steal $10, but to take $30 is "highly immoral and illegal".

 I must be missing the point.



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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Any info on Return of the Living Dead part 3?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:41:06 GMT

Keywords
|> That was just like putting Richard Pryor in Superman 3.  Superman
|> isnt supposed to be a comedy.

I thought the whole series was a comedy, or at least a joke.
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From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Subject: Re: the big blue
Reply-To: eprice@sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 12:25:42 GMT

In article <19347.66.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>
jean.simon@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jean Simon)  writes:

>I have seen the US version with the music of Bill Conti, truly it's a shame 
>that they (I don't know who) change the music. Also the end is completely
>different in the US version.
>Right now, I don't know which version , you can find in video.

I called several mail-order video distributors to ask about this.
Apparently the only version available in the US is the shorter,
edited, different-ending, Bill Conti-scored version.  Oh and it's not
letterboed (big surprise).  Yeehaw!  If I ever meet whoever is
responsible for it I will easily be able to beat the murder rap with a
plea of temporary insanity.

Ciao,

-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sybase.com (not wildman@...), fan of Besson and
Serra and Jean Reno (anyone want to tell me what else he's been in,
besides Besson's flicks?  not that i would be able to see them here in
the US, but i'd like to know anyway...)
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Supporting Characters/Performers
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:52:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx98Aw.AuJ
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


It's absolutely inconceivable that nobody has mentioned Vezzini (sp?) from
"The Princess Bride."



             --Steve "Am I going mad...or did the word 'think' escape
               your lips?" Stelter
               sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Dracula played by Frank Langella
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:19:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.105235@helix.nih.gov> arritter@helix.nih.gov (Alice R. Ritter) writes:
>I haven't seen this one in a while, but remember liking it a lot
>when it came out.  
>
>I did see the version with Louis Jourdan the other nite--what a bomb!!!!
>The only positive thing I can say about this movie was that he did LOOK
>good as the Count, but why he would stoop to such a low-level, just plain
>bad production, I don't know.
>
>I guess I always see him in Gigi--does anyone out there remember other
>roles Jourdan had?

Hitchcock's _The Paradine Case_, which starred Gregory Peck, Alida Valli,
Charles Laughton, and Ann Todd.  Louis Jourdan played a valet.

-- Herb Huston