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From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bikers-in-bras
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:43:11 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Dec17.102202.1390@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.143244.1391@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec17.032038.564@pages.com> bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:
>>>
>>>What if you want to be seen in your bra?
>> Why, are you thinking of buying one?
>> 
>Who knows: maybe the government will want to bring in a mandatory bra law....
>It would have to be Snell-approved, of course....
>maybe made out of Kevlar or fibreglass, bright flourescent colors for
>visibility....

   Conversation overheard at last year's Denver Motorcycle Show:

   "This year I'm gettin' my ol' lady a full set of leathers, bra _AND_
panties."

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From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Did the EC hp-limit pass ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:32:41 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <724006642snz@isma.demon.co.uk> sdun@isma.demon.co.uk writes:
>>A recent issue of Bike (UK), said that the
>>Euro-something-powerful-and-important was about to vote on a
>>community-wide 100-hp limitation directive on November 28th, if I
>>remember correctly. What is the current situation in the fight for
>>freedom ?
>>
>AFAIKR It's been rejected by the elected members of the EC but still on
>course to be passed by the burocrats (unelected officers!)
>


MORE EUROCRAP
*************
PB Jan.
KR


It ain't over 'til it's over.

Last month we reported that the European Commission's proposed 100bhp limit on new bikes
had been thrown out by a European Parliamentary Committee, who challenged the
Commission's ludicrous assertions that apower limit would make bikes safer. This month
the full European Parliament has followed the Committee's lead and voted against the 
imposition of a limit. 
Hurrah for democracy?  Not quite.
 The European Commission is a non-elected body largley composed of Fat Gits.
These unelected bureaucrats don't have to take any notice of the Parliament'`s decision
and are free to continue to push through their 100bhp legislation.

Continuous lobbying by British and European rider groups, and the full support of some
MEPs, notably Peter Beazely, has led directly to the European Parliament's current 
anti-limit position. The commission itself is unlikely to be swayed by lobbying, so the
next step is to persuade national governments to take the same anti-limit view, 
effectively isolating the Commission.
You can write to your MP at the House of Commons, Westminster, London, and your MEP (any
local political party office will give you the name and address), and keep reminding
them that this legislation is ill-advised, poorly researched and discriminatory.
Remind them, too, that letting the Commission dictate to Parliament makes a mockery of
the democratic process.
The Britsh Government, by the way, continues to support the horsepower limit, despite
already having admitted that there is absolutely no evidence to justify it.
All the Government wants is a quiet life [what a bunch of sorry ass whimps], so it's up
to us to kick up so much fuss that legislating against us would be more trouble than 
it's worth.

STOP PRESS: John Major called Martin Bangemann {who would cut a portly dash at any EEC
cocktail party. Martin's very interested in Type Approval}. "silly and ill-informed"
the other day.
Over 60% of the people in hte UK think the EEC has done them no good over the las 15
years, and would cheerfully see it disbanded tomorrow, according to a recent poll.

















--
Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 20:39:23 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

No, I don't.

Why would anyone do such a bloody stupid thing?

Ever been rear-ended whilst waiting for a light?
I have. I'm alive and unhurt because I saw the BDI
coming and did a dragrace style launch out of there.
He clipped me, just, and sent me slwing sideways
for 50yards. The frame on my bike was bent, and
the insurance company totalled it.

You may need to get out of that light in a damned hurry, I've had
to run like hell twice in ten years. If I'd had to stab for first
and waste a precious microsecond, I'd have been in a very bad
accident, and likely dead.

BTW, Cops estimated he hit me with a closure of 25km per hour,
I'd guess he must have been doing 80-100clicks, since I was 100ft
from the stoplight when he struck me (you could tell from the
skid marks on the road)

Neutral indeed.

Regards, Charles
DoD 0.001
rz350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Radar Gun For Sale
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:51:40 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1gti98INN39q@swrinde.nde.swri.edu> kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk) writes:
>
->The traffic from S.A. to Austin is often quite a bit faster than that north
->of Austin. Can you say 'AutoBahn'? Try riding from S.A. to Austin on a

Naw, I'd rather stay away from Texas.

->Friday
->right after work sometime during summer. If you aren't going 75, you're
->gonna
->get run over. Period. The cars doing 100+ usually run in little packs of two
->or three and absolutely crank. I would usually see about 5 or 6 of the packs
->in the 100 mile trip to Austin. Some are more safe in that they slow down
->and
->give adequate room and time for maneuvering. Others aren't - these are the
->ones that need to be removed - or given a physics lesson.

Why don't hitch onto the tail of these packs?  


->
->>No one mentioned anything about an empty left lane with someone hanging 5
->>feet off your bumper in the right lane.  Also, I'm condoning someone
->>driving 5 feet off your bumper at any hiway speed.
->
->But 'Bully Breath', no one mentioned anything about the Left Lane either.
->You
->were the one assuming I was driving in the left lane and obstructing
->traffic. >Now, you trying to back out???
>
->>Ah but you would be wrong slugo.  I've driven plenty in  Nevada, Utah and
->>Arizona (plus Montana which isn't desert but is deserted).  I guess we
->>need to define 'heavy' traffic.   
>
->1 car per lane at least every 100 feet on I35 on a Friday evening.
>
->>->  Such self-righteousness...
>>
->>Nothing self-righteous about it.  Paying attention to your mirrors while
->>in the fast lane of 80 to 100 mph traffic is common sense.  
>
->I think what Randy was talking about is that again, you assumed. You assumed
->that I don't use my mirrors. The fact that a motorcycle has been my primary
->transportation for over 25 years (and I don't drive slow) would make one
->tend >to think differently.
>

If you traveled the DOD minimum (which sounds possible there), you'd be ok.
->>Such as?  If you want to play junior policeman, get a cellular phone and
->>call in the offending party.
>
->A cellular phone on my motorcycle? You're a cage driver, aren't you?
>

Yup... and proud of it.  

->Boy, I can tell it's been too long since my last flame. This is fun! Been
->away too long!

Flame away moto man.

Terry
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:33:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.213753.18421@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>In article <carlp.724711897@frigg>, carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>|> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>|> >>>>>|> Everything is for sale. It just depends on the offer.
>|> >>>>>so how much for the bra? my first offer is $1
>|> >>>>Next bid is $2
>|> >>>>Couldn't resist.
>|> >>>You guys obviously have no a clue of what a good bra goes for these days
>|> >> Nobody has inquired about condition yet.
>|> >Yeah!! Is it a front loader? back loader? strapless? what percentage
>|> >is lace? color? make? model? type material? is it 'sheer'? see through?
>|> >*gawd* I feel the urge for a cold shower!! ;-)

Much more of this and my local Big Brother will be sending the FCC (Federal
Cockamamie Crackpots) after you, bucko!!

>|> I bid $5, regardless of features, for any bra actually worn by Jody within 
>|> the past month which has not been damaged by fire,flood,famine, earthquake,
>|> tornado, mudslide, other natural disaster, acts of civil disobedience,
>|> or other damage exceeding "normal wear and tear".
>what he said. and my bid now stands at $6 US.
>damn it last night it was only going to cost me
>600% less then it is today at 2:30 talk about inflation.

What the hell. I'll take it if it HAS been worn in any of the aforementioned
situations, ESPECIALLY the civil disobedience part.   ooooh what a thought
And I raise my bid to $6.25 US (1992 dollars) subject to tax, license, 
shipping, setup, prep, and pre-ownership fees.  Or $.25 US (1992), whichever
is the smaller, making my total bid $6.50 US (1992)

Inflation? You ain't seen nothing yet, buddy.  We're still waiting for Clinton
to help on that one!!!

CP "What the hell" Tomes
Never let sick people play with power tools.  Or dead llamas.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mikeh@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Michael Herman)
Subject: Re: Noise-cancelling headphones (was Re: Neat AGV helmet...)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:28:17 GMT

Just somethng I thought of...

An op amp with the input in the inverting input will give you an 
output thats 180 degreess out of phase...

NOt sure how to do the whole thing but this makes sense

DISCLAMER: I got a D in electronics so if the above is wrong
dont shoot me  :):)

another disclaimer:  motorola inc has absolutly nothing to do with 
any of the above insane ramblings....

JC

dod# 0746

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet)
Subject: Re: Attention electric vest owners!
Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:47:50 GMT

How about a hand switch?
-- 

Lance Norskog

Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:37:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 724126692@morpheus, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>
>Why do you think smoking got banned from public places? Not because it was
>unpleasant to a small minority to sniff other peoples' smoke, but because of
>the enormous cost to society of health care for millions  of respiratory
>cripples.

I think that is a very interesting point, and quite germane to the
discussion.

I disagree that health care costs was the primary force behind bans on
smoking in public places (everywhere but NC, the tobbacco capital of
the universe).  I believe it was a combination of the issues of posing
a health risk to those not choosing to smoke, and the nuisance factor.

More to the point wrt the helmet law issue, is why are smokers allowed
to smoke in the privacy of their own homes?  Why are they allowed to
freely choose to engage in an activity which (unlike unhelmeted
motorcyclists) has a clear and well defined health cost associated with
it?  In a situation where they pose no direct danger to anyone but
themselves (like motorcyclists' <non>use of a helmet), why are they
free to choose to smoke or not smoke?  I believe that the "social cost"
of caring for unhelmeted motorcyclists, if it is ever quantified, is
far below the cost of caring for the millions of respiratory cripples
you mention.

Using Paul's analogy of optimizing code, our legislators should be hard
at work banning tobacco products of all kinds, with their clear and
well-documented costs, rather than forcing all motorcyclists to wear
helmets based on some hand-waving, unsubstantiated rhetoric about the
cost of non-helmeted head injuries, which are likely to be orders of
magnitude lower if they *are* ever substantiated.

I find it interesting that most people stand by the fact that it is a
"personal decision" whether or not to smoke, but have no compunction
about forcing all motorcyclists to dress according to their arbitrary
rules.

I would be interested in your opinion of smokers' rights, David, given
that you have already make it clear you consider motorcyclists' rights
inconsequential.  What is the difference?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Locking rear (was Re: First ride in rain...)
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:50:07 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <Bz9CoA.49s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch) writes:
>In article <1gdg0oINN2f1@agate.berkeley.edu>, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:

>|> Which raises an interesting question (for me, anyway).  Is the only 
>|> "officially sanctioned" course of action in the event of a rear-wheel
>|> lockup to come to a full and complete stop, and then start all over 

>Well, the two times I've locked up my rear on the street it tends to start
>sliding out to the right, I think because the road is sloped for rain runoff.

There is no problem taking off the rear brake in a rear skid if you do
it when the rear wheel and front wheels are aligned. If the road is
cambered you may have to steer into the skid, if there is room enough,
or get up onto the crown first, to acquire the alignment. When the
wheels are aligned, it makes no difference taking the brake off
slightly -- you might as well take it all off, and get the wheel up to
rolling speed faster.
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:26:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In rec.motorcycles robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
;ObMoto: If you are on a canyon road, and encounter black ice, is there
;anything you can do to help minimize your chances of a dramatic spill?

Stop.  Put the bike on its stand.  Dismount.
Sit on the ground, without moving.

Or simply spill in a non-dramatic manner.

---
chris
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:20:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.014622.12191@netcom.com> avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter) writes:
>Hmmmmmm.
>
>You don't list the first one I'd heard.
>Someone told me a little while back that it was Denny's or Die,

Thank you.  That oversight has been taken care of.  
The Keeper of the Daffynitions (KotD) has been properly chastized!


>Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Active Noise Cancellation (was Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list))
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:09:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.232623.10342@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|In article <1992Dec17.190747.1080@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:

|>What I want is noise-cancelling ear-plugs.  Cuts out random noise, but
|>recognizes patterns, so allows engine whine (from cars), horns, and
|
|Actually, you probably want it the other way around...  listening to
|nothing but engine sounds for a long while gets boring...

If it is for a long while, my perfect plugs would cancel it.  I mean,
when a car sneaks up on you, it's nice to hear it.  Likewise for a 
siren.  But you want to cancel your own engine noise (Harleyites
and Ducatisti excepted),  wind noise, and that babbling from the
back seat... :-)

|Periodic noise is far easier to deal with than transients, anyhow.

But the largest factor is wind noise, which is non-transient.

|Uh, if you've got active noise cancelling, you already have 99% of
|a high quality intercom in place.  Wouldn't it be nice to talk to your
|pillion in a quiet voice at speed, with an intercom?

No, because the high-quality microphone is missing.  The mic that picks
up the external sample-signal would be non-optimal for catching voice.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: 93 Honda CBR900RR Recall
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:09:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.055524.10900@athena.cs.uga.edu> weaver@castor (Mike Weaver) writes:
|
|If these postings offend you, DEAL WITH IT. 

Deal with it?  You mean like flaming?  Right.  I see.

|I like them, and I feel that many
|others here agree with me. 

My name is Lorax, and I speak for the trees...

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:04:16 GMT

djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:

>>Our legislators think the opposite.  They figure more injuries per
>>bike mile than per car mile.  Despite the fact that there are more
>>car head injuries than bike head injuries, they are optimizing
>>the wrong loop!  Helmets for cagers, not bikers!

>Well hang on here sport!  I think that loop B has been considerably inproved
>by mandatory seatbelt wearing, and by the legislation that every new vehicle
>(except motorcycles and probably tractors and grass cutters etc) has to be
>fitted with a passive restraint (eg and air-bag), so I think that by your
>reasoning it is perfectly legit to spend some effort on loop A now.

Excellent example of the merits of legislated safety. Conventional seat
belts, which have been proven effective when worn, were discarded and
replaced with overcomplicated gimmicks like the motorized track belts
(which are ineffective without the manually fastened lap belt), and the
belts which mount to the door instead of the frame. While the door
mounted belts might meet the letter of the law, they certianly can't be
considered "safe", and have actually ejected victims from cars when the
door has opened in a crash. I've got no quarrel with airbags as a
supplement to seatbelts, but don't expect me to believe that they are an
adequate replacement.

So in a misguided attempt to protect me from myself the government has
replaced a proven safety device, which I consistantly use, with a couple
of devices that are clumsy at best, and deadly at worst. And in their
wisdom, they also made it impossible to get standard seat belts. As
badly as the Feds screwed this one up, you'll have to pardon me if I
don't get excited about the idea of them doing things to promote
motorcycle "safety". Hell, they'll probably ban helmets and replace them
with airbags and "passive" seatbelts.

	"I'm from the government. I'm here to help you."

Fortunatly trucks are exempt from a lot of these nonsense "safety"
regulations, so I was able to get a real seatbelt on a new vehicle by
buying a truck instead of a car.

ObMoto? Not any more or less than most of the rest of this thread.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Problems with the 'Ol Sport
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:43:20 GMT

svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:

>In article <txd.723917286@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>|
>|>Sounds like a blown head gasket.  
>|
>|This seems to be the net.consencus (tm) I'll see what the shop has to
>|say.
>|
>|>>I still intend to take it back to the shop that did the rebuild, as it
>|>>has less than 200 miles on it. 

>Hmmm.  Something just crashed into my fuzzy brain.  Last night I was reading
>a back issue of Motorcyclist, er, I mean, Squid Monthly (Lance Holst is a 
>Jerk), and there was an article talking about race prepping a Sportster for 
>883 road racing (okay guys, you can stop laughing, now).  One of the things 
>they mentioned was that Sportster cylinders deform from heat after the first 
>few hundred miles of running, and they rebored them after break-in, for 
>better power and longer life.

>Are the cylinder liners new?  (Are there cylinder liners?  Could they have 
>warped, and unsealed the head?

Dave, they're talking about the new EVO bikes, not the 1972 Iron
Sportster. 

At least it, as a second bike isn't a two stroke... :{>

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