HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Carol.Ashland@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Labels
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:31:32 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/56 - The Overworked Drag, Portland OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26802

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

DH>  Goodness!  I've known some guide dog users to be allergic, and still
DH>  have guide dogs anyway.  I don't think I would go visit anyone for an

Yes, I think I'd keep my dog even if I found out that I definitely had an
allergy to dogs.  I might not get another one though.

DH>  extended stay and not take Lyndi.  I just don't leave this dog like I
DH>  left my others.  But then, it'a all about making them choices.

I hate to leagve my dogs.  I've rarely done it.  I could leave him with my
aunt or mother though, and I know he would get good care, and that he would
be comfortable staying with them.  I would hate to leave him in a kennel.
One time I had to leave Vanessa at the vet's overnight for some tests.  I
tok her back to the kennel myself.  At the last moment she realized that I
was going to leave her in that kennel.  She turned and literally threw
herself on me, as if to plead with me not to leave her.  I had to bodily
force her into that kennel.  It still hurts to think about that, I felt that
I betrayed her.  If only we could explain things to them!

Carol

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From: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Bill McGarry)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: December 1992 issue of Braille Forum Uploaded
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Bill McGarry)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26727

I have uploaded to the handicap archives:

BF1292.ZIP  Braille Forum, December 1992

BF1292.ZIP is available via anonymous ftp from the handicap
archives (handicap.shel.isc-br.com).  Login in as "anonymous",
using your e-mail address as your password.  "cd" to
the /pub/forum directory.  The past two years issues of the
Braille Forum are also available here.

This is also available to first time callers or via file request
from the Handicap News BBS (203-337-1607   Fidonet 141/420).

Table of contents for this issue are:

                         TABLE OF CONTENTS

President's Message:  Some Thoughts On A New Administration And
Congress A Look Ahead To 1993
News Briefs From The ACB National Office
Looking Forward To San Francisco
AFB Announces Migel Medal Winners
Report Calls For Major Overhaul Of Supplemental Security Income Program
Blindness And Jury Duty
My Two Weeks In Court
Service With A Smile
Commentary
United States Blind Athletes Win In Barcelona
Affiliate News
Make Your Own Connection
With Brytech, Money Talks
Black Cats And Elephants
Here And There
High Tech Swap Shop
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Armrests
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:21:20 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26838

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Keith Jones <01 Dec 92 17:52> Alan Hess wrote:

 AH> opinion.  My back is getting worse because I have more trouble
 AH> reaching things.  Just what I needed.  And I still haven't found
 AH> a scoliosis reducing brace.  Life sucks.  I have this intense
 AH> desire to run over the bare feet of doctors with my chair.  *adh*

What did they say about the "Wilmington Jacket?"  It 'will' reduce
your scoliosis while you're wearing it, but as soon as you take it
off the spine collapes to its orginial curve.  Wearing one can also
cause some skin problems.

The "Wilmington Jacket" is designed to control and stabilize the
progress of scoliosis in a growing spine.  It is best used for
curves in the thorasic area.  The Rx is usually for the brace to be
work 23/24 hours each day over a period of years.  Any good
orthopod schould be able to supply full details.

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From: oconnell_teri@po.gis.prc.com (OConnell Teri)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: GUIs for special needs
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: oconnell_teri@po.gis.prc.com (OConnell Teri)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26719

Does anyone have any information on designing human-computer
interfaces for persons with special needs?  By special needs, I
primarily mean physical handicaps or disabilities.  I am currently
focusing on assembling a set of guidelines for the design of
graphical user interfaces (GUIs).  The emphasis is on screen
design, but I'm also interested in topics such as keyboard
requirements.   Any pointers, references, etc. would be most
appreciated.  Even complaints about existing interfaces can serve
as a starting point for improved design.  Thanks!

Teri O'Connell
oconnell_teri@po.gis.prc.com
PRC Inc.
Technology Division
1500 PRC Drive
MS-5S3
McLean Virginia 22102
From: mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: correction
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:32:11 GMT
Reply-To: mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman)
Organization: Pacifier BBS
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26715

In article <26135@handicap.news> janina@netcom.com (Janina Sajka) writes:

>Index Number: 26135
>
>Should the name of this group be changed to ALT.DISABLED you ask?
>
>Well, since you bring it up, I strongly agree.  I, for one, believe
>the language we choose to use is important because it is the only
>reality we have.  I still wince every time I hear the word
>'handicapped.'  I resent the implications the word has borne for
>centuries.  I, for one, do not like being described by a term that
>suggests I'm devious, evil, and not to be trusted.  I'm not about
>interacting with others with my "hand in my cap," up to some
>mischief or other, not to be trusted.
>

I agree that the terms we use to describe ourselves are
important in that all terms have connotations.  However, if
terms are used to avoid confronting our disabilities, that is
worse.  We should endeavor to change the underlying attitudes of
society; not just go for the PC term of the moment.

I have often wondered of late (but have not bothered to look up)
about the etymology of "handicap".  The cap-in-hand business is
too pat!  In fact, the "cap" part must come from the same Latin
root as "capable".

These musings asside, I might still be persuaded that a
newsgroup change to "misc.disabled" would be OK, if only because
one would have to type less using rn's "g" command {grin}.  But
dithering over the name kinda goes against the grain for me.

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301 N.E. 107th Street   |         or freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu
Vancouver, WA 98685 USA |       GEnie: M.FREEMAN11
Telephone (206)574-8221 |       I doubt, therefore I might be!
From: gdk%igdk@uunet.UU.NET (Gary Kline)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: End-of-line Bell?
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:32:19 GMT
Reply-To: gdk%igdk@uunet.UU.NET (Gary Kline)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26716

Robert Englebretson (6500RENG@UCSBUXA.BITNET) writes:
>
>
> Does anyone out there know where (or if) I could get a TSR to set
> the computer to beep at a given line position.
[remainder of quote deleted]

Hi,

If you are using Unix, you are probably using the visual editor,
"vi".  vi is the granddaddy of all cursor-capable editors since,
and although it's a bit dated, it is adaquate for most editing
tasks.  Including the word-wrap feature that you're looking for.

If you *are* using vi, or the line variant, "ex", the easiest
way to set the margin is by setting "wrapmargin" to however many
characters from the right-hand side of the screen that you want
the wraparound to be set.

If you want lines to wrap at 4 characters from the end, you
would type "set wrapmargin=4".  Be sure you are in command mode
when you do this.

$ vi <some_filename>

...will bring up the file.  Then, type a colon, ":" followed by
"set wrapmargin=4"  Typing a colon while in command mode will
put a colon on the lower left-hand corner of your screen.

:set wrapmargin=4 (ENTER/RETURN)

...From then on, for that file, lines will break 4 characters from
the end of the line.   To have this autowrap always set in every
file, in your home directory, say /home/6500reng, create a file
named ".exrc" and put the line "set wrapmargin=4" in that file.

If you are brand new to Unix, you may be using the antique line
editor, "ed".  I haven't used it for going on 15 years, though.
Have forgotten most things about ed.

I'm not sure about the bell as you near the end of a line, but
vi's auto-wrap feature pretty well obviates the need for the
bell.   Hm,  Wait.  I remember there is (or was) a way of setting
the bell...but I also remember that it used to drive my fellow
students up the wall, so I dropped it.   Best way to find out is
by asking some of the local Unix gurus there.

There may be enough folks reading this newsgroup to make this
not a waste of net bandwidth, but if you have any further questions
about vi or ex, let's do it through standard e-mail.

gary

			  Gary D. Kline
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From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Dogs and personalities
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:34:32 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26825

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Deana Roberts to Debbie Hazelton <=-

 DR> RE: People who insist on one particular breed of dog.....

I've had one Shepherd as a kid, two Goldens, and now a Yellow Lab.  The
Shepherd didn't work out, for various reasons, not the least of which
was her personality and the poor judgment of the school - the school no
longer exists in the same way it was back then, so I don't feel I am
stepping on anyone's toes here.  The Shepherd developed the unfortunate
characteristic of getting car sick every time she was in a vehicle.  Not
good for a dog guide, I'd say.  I retired her to personal petdom in a
year and a half.  My Goldens were both great, especially Frosty, my
second Golden.  They were quiet and even-tempered, and Frosty was as
solid as a rock.  I lost him when I had to have him put down because of
bone cancer when he was only six.  I still grieve for him.  My Yellow
Lab, Sony, is quite a dog.  He loves to work!  I've never had a dog that
was so into his work.  He loves to get on a bus, he loves to get off of
it, he loves everything in between.  It's a joy to have a dog that loves
to work as much as he does.  It makes me feel very guilty for not
getting out more than I do, now that I am not working.

It's funny how we develop ideas of how a given breed of dog acts, sort
of their general personality.  My idea of a Black Lab is of a hyper,
difficult-to-manage dog.  Goldens seem to me to be very mellow and easy
to manage.  I, too, see Shepherds as more difficult to manage.  I intend
always to stress the personal traits I want in a dog, and let the
instructor figure out which dog fits my needs, regardless of breed.

Carol

... Picard for President.   Make it so!

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From: joep@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Joe Pizzirusso)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Dogs in Theaters.
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:33:10 GMT
Reply-To: joep@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Joe Pizzirusso)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26722

;-)  a good topic...lots of fun stories associated with this one.
Yup...you have to be careful with older, dirtier theaters with stuff on
the floor...I try to go to cleaner theaters (especially with my collies and
other long hairs...gum? YUCK!) , but also keep an ear open for the sounds of
munching. Thats another reason why I often work on leaving edibles under
their noses with serious instructions not to sniff or take. _Leave it!_
is one of our newer vocab phrases....

SOme of our dogs just sack out during movies...one or two have tried to
get a nap in my lap....the only noise that mine have reacted to were
dogs inb the film...the dobermans in _Father of the Bride_ caused a lot
of pup heads to pop up, and _Dances With Wolves_ almost caused a riot.  ;-)

any good stories out there on this?

joe
From: mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: I blew the wave
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:31:26 GMT
Reply-To: mikef@pacifier.rain.com (Mike Freeman)
Organization: Pacifier BBS
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26711

In article <26144@handicap.news> Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
writes:
>Index Number: 26144
>
> -=> Quoting Mike Freeman to Debbie Hazelton <=-
>
> MF> nothing else works.  I used my Optacon day-in, day-out for five
> MF> years, eight hours a day reading a CRT screen (I'm a mainframe
>
> Whew!  What a chore!  Did you have any problems with your arm from
> holding it up in the air so much?  Or did they let you put the screen
> on its back so you could read it flat?  I used the Optacon for seven
> years on various computers while I worked for the Forest Service, and I
> started getting neurological symptoms in my right arm.  Furthermore, I
> don't seem to have a lot of endurance with Optacon reading.

Hi, Carol!

Nope; I never had a problem.  I did not ask for the screen to be
repositioned (though I believe another blind person around here,
Holly Laird, did do so).  I just developed a strong right arm and
shoulder.  In any case, a programmer reads, types, reads, thinks,
types some more, reads, etc. and often can get away with looking
for error characters near the beginnings of lines at the bottom
left of the CRT screen so it wasn't so bad.

One problem I *did* have was during the Carter administration
when the Federal government went neo-Puritan on us and turned
the bloody thermostats down to 68 degrees.  My hands got damned
cold (especially the left which had to be held still on the array).
My mother knitted me some gloves with the tips of the fingers
cut out but even this only helped a bit.  The one thing I was
glad about when Reagan won was that the heat got turned up to a
sane level again {grin}.

>
> Carol
> xx <wink>
>

XXXOOO {grinning lasciviously}

>... "Don't mince words, Mike ... what do you *REALLY* think?"
>

Dunno ... hafta think about it {snicker}
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From: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Jeffrey Vandyke)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Nasty weather navigation
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:52:59 GMT
Reply-To: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26748

WB>In that case, do not plan on coming out here just now.  I had to stay in and
WB>use my ski-track to get my exercise at noon as there was too much snow for
WB>me to find my way around, but tonight it was not too bad as most people had
WB>their walks cleaned.

  Something just occurred to me. You have made mention of braille
compasses, and other ways of getting around. Have you heard about
the navigation sattellites that can be used to pinpoint your
location anywhere on the earth?  Well, in the boating catalogs,
they have handheld receivers (now 6 channel ones) that can do
that. They usually let you set a starting point, and up to maybe
100 setpoints or waypoints, whatever. Those are intermediate
points on your journey, usually in a boat, that you can keep
track of if you want to for any particular reason. I know there
computer programs that can take this data and automatically apply
it to online computer maps in order to keep a running
visualization on the screen of where you are.

  It should be possible to build something to take that data and
instead of presenting it visually, present it audibly or in
braille (not so good in cold weather). That way a visually
impaired person could reliably walk anywhere rain or snow, etc
(don't you hate me?) or a very enterprising person could even go
on cross-country hikes with little chance of getting lost. You
could even set up groups for contests of best hiking ability,
that have specific places you have to go to pick up flags, etc,
and the first person to get to the finish point would win. I
can't remember what that kind of contest is called, but I would
think it would be fun.

-- Jeff

 * SLMR 2.1a * Member, Off-Road Wheelchair Association

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From: Ron.Denis@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Denis)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: All My Children
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:31:44 GMT
Reply-To: Ron.Denis@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26803

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Never watch day time TV but having a blind on the show would be good if well
done.
 DR> it a little more realistic.  They have her counting all her steps

     Does any one really count steps?  Does any one really take the same sized
steps all the time?  If I went by counting my highly variable steps, I'd be
writing this from the great beyond.  <grin>

     Ron

...  There have been fewer friends on earth than kings.--Abraham Cowley

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From: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Dogs in Theaters.
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:29:58 GMT
Reply-To: 34AEJ7D@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu (Bill Gorman)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26706

In article <26283@handicap.news>, Deana.Roberts@p0.f9264.n203.z1.fidonet.org
(Deana Roberts) says:
>
>... * FORD    Fix or Repair Daily.
>

     * CHEVY   Chronic Headache Expired Very Young
From: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Alan Hess)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Anybody Out There?
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:22:09 GMT
Reply-To: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:261/1000 - Nerve Center, Pikesville MD
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26845

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a missive of <Dec 06 17:50> Joe Chamberlain (1:150/175.1)
writes to Greg Tomerlin:

 JC>      I dove into two feet of water about 33 years ago.  I was
 JC> underwater for much too long, and some of my friends atrribute my
 JC> warped personality to this fact.  However, I believe it is my
 JC> choice of friends that has led me down this path of corrupt
 JC> degradation.

I did a racing dive into 4.5 feet of water, and missed the bottom
by three feet.  Unfortunately, I didn't miss the submerged log or
piling that got me.  I was under long enough to black out (I didn't
panic - had I known whhat was in store, I would have.)  I saw no
lights, or golden passageways, or anything - just green water, then
nothing.  *adh*

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From: Barbara.Akin@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Akin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Mobility
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:55:39 GMT
Reply-To: Barbara.Akin@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26770

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

MF>In a message to Debbie Hazelton <10 Nov 92 19:27> Carol Ashland wrote:

MF> >DH>   But,I didn't like the cane, really.
MF> >DH>  I felt more stereotypically
MF> >DH>  blind with it.  I began to find when
MF> >DH> I got into working with downtown

MF> CA> That's the same reason I didn't like the cane.

MF>Hello, Carol and Debbie!

MF>Once you decide that the drivel that society has fed you isn't
MF>creditable and that it is respectable to be blind, this reason
MF>for feeling reluctant to use a cane loses its force.
Hi Mike,
I want to add my thoughts here.
I have been blind since shortly afterbirth, and I am now 40, so I have
been around awhile.
I don't think what Carol and Debbie are saying is that They Personally
feel inferiour using a cane.
I think what they are saying is that society tends to treat a person i
 a more condisending way when that person uses a cane.
Is that right?
Ofcourse not!
But, I believe the reality is, that, while the white cane is a
perfectly respectible, and useful mobility aide, people Do treat us
differently.
I say this, because I used a cane for many years before getting my
first dog guide.
Now Please don't think that I am saying everyone should drop their
white canes, and go and get a dog either!
Dogs are Not for everyone, that is certain.
But, what I have found from my own personal experience, and from
talking to other dog users who formerly used a white cane, is that
they Are treated better when using a dog.
I found that when I started using my dog, people held longer, and
more normal conversations with me.
They did not tend to interphere with me while I was waiting at a
street corner as they often did when they saw me cane traveling.
I was a very good cane user too, and lived in Mpls. Minnesota which
was a busy city.
I was out and about all the time, taking buses, going to work.
I did find though that when I got my dog, life did become easier for
me.
Now, what am I saying here.
I think that if the public were more educated about the fact that the
use of a white cane gives a person just as much independence as does
a dog guide, maybe society's attitudes and feelings and thus their
actions towards those using canes would improve!
It is not that I am ashamed of my blindness, I am ashamed of society,
and the way they percieve us!
-!-
 ~ SLMR 2.0 ~ Crisis Management:  finding someone to blame.

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