From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Unity
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:08:03 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <Bt6u2y.418@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A.
Davis-Howe) writes:
>krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:

>>I disagree with you on this one...  A "Meta-Magic" CAN be made.  The "things
>>that work" (or the "magical strings" you pull, as I've used on alt.pagan)
>>don't change.  Merely the methods you pull on those strings.

>Krikket, we get back to the same arguement here.  Spirits are not the same as
>visualisations, for example.  Your statement claims that all the
>practitioners
>who are having experience of real independent non-corporeal beings are just
>plain wrong.  Either that, or everyone else is wrong.

Once again, it seems that we differ.  Different people interpreate different
magicks as different things.  One person may see a cluster of magical strings
being pulled, and therefore convinced of an "independant non-corporeal being".
Another person may be convinced that the strings were pulled by some magician
that's "out to get them".  Etc.  Two different people may interperate the same
facts in two completely different ways.  Therefore not only is magick opened up
to interperatation, but completely different anc ACCURATE meanings are created.
 Without a map of the magickal workings, or different maps, different objects
appear as different things.  The main problem here is that there are many
different layers not only to interperate, but can be seen.  Person <A> may be
doing a simple spell, but person <B> sees a person playing with probabilities,
and person <C> may see someone reaching out and setting a tracer...

>Totems are not the
>same
>as auras.  What is the reality?

Philisophers have been arguing about this one for years...  I'm not going to
come forth with a nice simple answer on this one, expecially when there are
several perfectly valid answers...

>If there is only one force in magic, as you
>have claimed three times now, what is that force?  And how do you know this?
>And why are all those other people lying?  Or how are they so easily
>deceived?

I never said I was the only person with the truth, and everyone else is
wrong...  What is the force?  Well that depends on the practicioner.  I happen
to have about 4 different "power sources" available to me at any given time. 
But that doesn't make anyone else's invalid.

>I don't think you are thinking sufficiently about the implications of your 
>assertion.  If I am misunderstanding you, then explain *exactly* what you
>mean, and how all of these different things can be fit into this Meta-Magic
>you are talking about.

How can they all fit in?  By interpreting the "facts" differently.  Just keep
in mind that because that are interpreted DIFFERENLY does NOT make them wrong!
Merely different.  But when a common thread is searched for, it can be found.

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