From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Alfredo Griffin, Clubhouse Deity {tm}
Summary: I'm probably in his KILL file, so someone else should quote me.
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:17:32 GMT
Organization: Roger Maynard Logic Club [LaRouche Division]

Once again, Roger Maynard shares his wit and 'wisdom'...

>>(David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>Roger Maynard writes:
>>(David "Chalk Line" Tate) writes:

(Hell, you guys know who said what - the really DUMB stuff is Maynard's.)

>>>Griffin played 6 years in TO, 3 in OAK and 4 in LA.  Toronto, a defending
>>>champion, just reacquired him.  These 3 organizations are 3 of the most
>>>successful in the game.  Are you implying that they don't know what they
>>>are doing? 
>
>>Yes.
>
>Blew Jays record in the Griffin years:
>
>79 - 53-109
>80 - 67-95
>81 - 37-69
>82 - 78-84
>83 - 89-73
>84 - 89-73

I can't accept this.  No one can be this stupid.  Sorry about the ad
hominem feel of my recent posts on the subject, but this is just
plain imbecilic.   Roger, do you HONESTLY think that Alfredo Griffin
had ANY positive impact on the '83-'84 Blue Jays that a replacement-
level player would not have?

If so, there's not really anything left to talk about.  You're just
a plain, old-fashioned fool.

>No they "get better" with griffin in the lineup - when fernandez came
>they were already good...

Won't you please give generously, folks?

That's 1-800-DUHHHHH to pledge.

>well he is sitting on TO's bench this year...If TO wins will you
>concede that he might be a factor - just might mind you - 'cause there
>is no sure way to measure it :-)

I'll have to concede no such thing.  If Toronto wins the ALE, it will
likely be because of great pitching, solid defense, and a greater
than expected OBP from their lineup.  If the Grifster is part of that
lineup, it will require greater contributions from the other people
in order for Toronto to win.

>>Hell, I can name a team of 25 "really nice guys" that would lose to the
>>1991 Indians every time they played.  Start with Rene Gonzales and work
>>from there.  On the other hand, give me a team full of disruptive players 
>>like Tartabull, Mitchell, Belle, Strawberry, and Henderson, and they'd wipe 
>>the floor with any team around.
>
>its the mix, the chemistry of players working together, some are nice
>guys, some are jerks (just like this board...) the point is that the
>chemistry is beyond analysis...

Beyond *YOUR* analysis.  Kindly refrain from lumping my analytical skills
with yours.  The very thought makes me have abdominal cramps.

>if billy hangs in as long as alfredo then you will have to concede that
>he must be doing something right...

"If I hit you with a pumpkin, and Jerry Brown takes the White House,
 you have to concede that my squash-based assault was important to
 this happening."

>If you go to the odd game you get to see little things like high fives
>at the plate and you get to hear the players relating to each other.  Doesn't
>show up in box scores.  There are players in all team sports that are "glue"
>and they usually aren't the best players on the team.  but they are certainly
>among the most important...

Rubbish.  The players that are among the most important are those that
can hit, field, and pitch.  Alfredo can do NONE of those things at a major
league level.  He never HAS been able to.  I have my doubts about whether
he would have EVER stuck on a team in the SVBL, much less the majors.

He is the sorriest excuse for a ballplayer in my memory or lifetime.
He has no value of any sort to a ballclub.  He offers NO positives to
a team, and demands a great cost.

Alfredo Griffin SUCKS, Mr. Maynard.  I feel sorry for you if you can't
see that because you're a marionette of the media.  It makes a pretty
sad comment about what some of your other views might be.

Think for yourself.  Don't listen to talking heads as gospel.

>No but his teammates DO care.  its a long season out there guys...

...and it'll seem longer with Alfredo on your team.

>and the whole point of this posting is that there are as many different ways
>of earning respect as there are ways of contributing to a winning ball-club 
>- and not all of them can be entered on a spreadsheet.

There are also lots of ways to lose respect.  Like not playing well.
Like making stupid mistakes.  Like hurting your team.  And Alfredo has
MASTERED these skills.

Who's ranting?  I'm not ranting...

-- 
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* "Walks a helluva  *  he'd be of no use at all.  All he does is talk and  *
*   lot more than   *  drink.  It'd be nice if he could field, but that'd  *
*  Shawon Dunston." *  be too much to ask." - Pat Mustavus, Baseball Coach *
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