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From: kevin@simd.stanford.edu (Kevin W. Rudd)
Subject: Re: Problem with MIF format?  Possibly related to conditional text?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:28:18 GMT

In article <1881@scax18.pki-nbg.philips.de> pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov18.092427.17124@leland.Stanford.EDU>, kevin@simd.stanford.edu (Kevin W. Rudd) writes:
>
>|> Just curious if anyone else had had problems with conditional text and/or
>|> MIF format.
>
>To save in MIF format means to loose some information, e.g.
>printer settings.  AND, please try it yourself: Save a document
>in MIF format, open the MIF file and save it again as MIF file.
>Then "diff" the two MIF files. There are differences!
>

Losing some setting information (screen size, printer settings, etc.
is not unreasonable.  However, having the text reformatted differently
is unacceptable.  In this case, using MIF and conditional text, saving
in MIF format and then reloading apparently moves the end-of-paragraph
markers inside the conditional text rendering one very large paragraph
out of a number of smaller paragraphs.

I can understand that the MIF format is simply a medium of exchange of
text data, but it should be an ACCURATE exchange of text data.  Otherwise,
it should not be called an interchange format.

  -- Kevin
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: ask@sei.cmu.edu (Alan Koch)
Subject: Re: Book's graphics and total page number
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:00:18 GMT


In article <lgq5jkINNdch@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, fguille@sun.com (Francois GUILLEMOT - Sun France Central Support) writes:
|> I have two problem using a book in Frame 3.1A (OpenLook, SS2):
|> 
|> - some book files have graphics that are imported by reference. Opening these files
|>   show the graphics, but printing from the book window says it can't find the
|>   files. And this is quite reproducible! Any idea?
|> 
|> - The bottom of each page in each file has a page number like "p/n" where p is the
|>   book page number (which is correct accross book files), and n should be the total
|>   book number of pages. But n is only, for each file in the book, the last page number
|>   of this particular file. So the result is, for the first page of each book file,
|>   something like: 1/10, then 11/20, 21/30, etc...
|>   How could I find out the total page number of the book?

You need to create an X-Ref marker on the last page of the last document.
Then on your Master pages, replace the Variable:Page Count with a Cross
reference to that marker (Format:<$pagenumber>)

This is talked about in the FAQ.

ask@sei.cmu.edu

Alan S. Koch
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA  15213
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: User/Frame variables
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:58:20 GMT

In article <7947@charon.cwi.nl>, jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen) writes:
|> Is it possible to use Frame buildin variables (like <$monthnum> for
|> example) in the definition of user defined variables.
|> 
|> My trials didn't work so far:
|> 
|>      "The month = <$monthnum>"
|> 
|> gets expanded in the document to:
|> 
|>      "The month = <$monthnum>>"
|> 
Framemaker does not seem to understand variables in a user-defined variable.
Any <$blah> will be treated (almost) literally.  I'd to modify one of the
system variable to do it.  Sucks, doesn't it.

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From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Margin Head Tag
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:47:59 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.171842.2728@informix.com> robertw@informix.com (Robert  
Weinberg) writes:
> In article <lg7lfdINN8jj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> yvonne@archer.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
> > 
> > I am trying to create a margin head tag for a document
> > that will allow the head to be in one type of font
> > and the body of text to be in another as follows:
> > 
> > Head		Body Text.......................
> > 		Body Text......................
> > 
> > 
> > Is there any easy way to do this?
> 
> Not too hard: the margin head needs to be a separate tag with a negative value  
for  
> leading. Or, if you don't want negative leading because you expect more than one  
> line of text in your header: set the "space below" of the header to a negative  
> value, and set the "space above" of the following body text to a negative value  
> also.

Oh, I forgot to mention: be sure to set different left indents for the  header and  
body paragraph tags so that they don't overlap.
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From: fguille@sun.com (Francois GUILLEMOT - Sun France Central Support)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Book's graphics and total page number
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:46:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fguille@sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: issy.france.sun.com

I have two problem using a book in Frame 3.1A (OpenLook, SS2):

- some book files have graphics that are imported by reference. Opening these files
  show the graphics, but printing from the book window says it can't find the
  files. And this is quite reproducible! Any idea?

- The bottom of each page in each file has a page number like "p/n" where p is the
  book page number (which is correct accross book files), and n should be the total
  book number of pages. But n is only, for each file in the book, the last page number
  of this particular file. So the result is, for the first page of each book file,
  something like: 1/10, then 11/20, 21/30, etc...
  How could I find out the total page number of the book?
  
Thanks in advance for any idea,

	Francois GUILLEMOT.
From: markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Licensing FM
Date: 21 Nov 1992 13:45:05 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ls12r
Keywords: Licensing

In article <1992Nov20.161048@sld64pki-nbg.philips.de>, pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Nov17.161422.28186@rzu-news.unizh.ch>, suter@rsl.geogr.unizh.ch (Martin Suter) writes:
|> |> We are currently evaluating a text processing system for our SUN-Sparcstations
|> |> and we think FrameMaker (R) would be nice indeed. I've read an article
|> |> on usenet which states:
|> |> 
|> |> > ... As I understand it, you only need a license to start
|> |> > using FrameMaker (if that), to save documents, and to print documents.
|> |> > With a little discipline, several simultaneous users can get by with
|> |> > one license.  I think our site has five licenses for thirty users ...

This is wrong! When there is problem with our local net and my workstation is
not able to get a licence from the license server host, I'm even not able to
edit a file...


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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: klehr@creamer.bellcore (Thomas J. Klehr)
Subject: Accessing building blocks in a user variable
Reply-To: klehr@bae.bellcore.com (Thomas J. Klehr)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:45:51

I am using the DRAFT user variable to put the word "Draft" on the
bottom of master pages.  I would like to include the current date
along with it (ie, Draft - November 9, 1992).  However, I don't want
the date to appear on the final copy.

My intention was to add the date system variable to the DRAFT user
variable.  However, Frame won't let me insert a system variable in a user
variable definition.  Nor will it let me insert a building block in a
user variable.

I don't want to add the date to the DRAFT variable by hand.

Have I missed something in the documentation?


Thanks.

Tom
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
Subject: Re: Licensing FM
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:38:03 GMT
Keywords: Licensing

In article <1992Nov17.200620.11329@asl.dl.nec.com> terry@asl.dl.nec.com writes:
>I know of NO reason for having the license time-out value set very high,
>since the license re-aquisition process is so inoculous and is essentially
>invisible.  Keeping it high really just wastes your FrameMaker licenses.

So what is the smallest value to which this can be set?  Our default
around here is 999, which I'm working on changing.  But we had to pull a
guy out of a meeting last week just to give up his license.  

BTW, I work in a department of over 70 people.  We've been getting by on
10 licenses for about a year.  We have five full-time users and they have
reserved licenses (one is mine).  The rest of the department shared the
other five.  however, as more and more people are coming up to speed
using Frame, the demand gets greater.  We will probably have to purchase
a few more licenses soon.

Software licenses:  another point in favor of flexible work hours.
During the day people are banging heads getting licenses, but in the
evening, 10 licenses sit idle (except for those 999 folks who didn't
exit when they went home).

Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Margin Head Tag
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:18:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <lg7lfdINN8jj@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> yvonne@archer.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
> 
> I am trying to create a margin head tag for a document
> that will allow the head to be in one type of font
> and the body of text to be in another as follows:
> 
> Head		Body Text.......................
> 		Body Text......................
> 
> 
> Is there any easy way to do this?

Not too hard: the margin head needs to be a separate tag with a negative value for  
leading. Or, if you don't want negative leading because you expect more than one  
line of text in your header: set the "space below" of the header to a negative  
value, and set the "space above" of the following body text to a negative value  
also.
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|         Rob Weinberg           |  Workstation publications tech |
|   Email : robertw@informix.com |        Graphic designer        |
|   Voice : 415-926-6754         |     <imagine your ad here>     |
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From: filipi@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Adrian Thomas Filipi-Martin)
Subject:  Icelandic / Old English characters
Reply-To: filipi@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Adrian Thomas Filipi-Martin)
Organization: CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:06:28 GMT

--
Hi Netlanders,

	I need to print some characters which are not discussed in the
Framemaker documantation but
are included in my PostScript printers (lw NTX & hp-III w/cartrige). In
short I want to be able to type the 
thorn and eth characters ( looks like a 'p' with an ascender and looks
like a 'd' with its ascender crossed).
I am able to get these characters in my xterms without trouble and I can
even print them without dificulty,
if I don't use FrameMaker. Does any one have any suggestion as to how I
might be able to uses these
characters within frameMaker?

Thanks in advance,
Adrian
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From: vening@skyhawk.chdasic.sps.mot.com (Michele Vening)
Subject: Re: Licensing FM
Keywords: Licensing
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector, Arizona
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:38:51 GMT

In article <1880@scax18.pki-nbg.philips.de> pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.033803.17768@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
> So what is the smallest value to which this can be set?  Our default
>|> around here is 999, which I'm working on changing.  But we had to pull a
>|> guy out of a meeting last week just to give up his license.  
>|> 
>
>I don't no the smallest value, we work with 5 minutes.

I'm puzzled.  I have tried setting the value in the license file to less
than an hour and it doesn't work.  Frame assures me that one hour is the 
smallest value allowed.  I'm using 3.0x/3.1x on a Sun.  What are you using?

--Michele
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From: aba@hp835.mitek.com (Binion Amerson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: hanging indent formats???
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:07:22 GMT
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

Question 1:
We are looking for a better way to handle hanging indents.  We are attempting
to position a lift-justified term adjacent to its definition.  For example:

TERM      DEFINITION

XXXXXX    Xxxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xx 
          xxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxx.

XXXXXX    Xxxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxx xx xxxx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xx 
          xxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxx.

We are presently doing this by use of a hanging indent.  Is there is better
or simpler way for doing this?   

Is there a way of setting up or creating separate tags for both the Term and
the Definition?

Question 2:
We also are attempting to position a left-justified term such as an error
message adjacent to its description and meaning.  For example:

MESSAGE   DESCRIPTION                     RESPONSE

XXXXXX    Xxxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxx    Xxxx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xx 
          xxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxx.      xxx xxxx xxxxxxxxx.

XXXXXX    Xxxxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxx    Xxxx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xx 
          xxx xx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxx.      xxx xxxx xxxxxxxxx.

Is there a better or simpler way of doing this other than creating a table?


Thanks in advance.

Binion Amerson
aba@oc.com
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Rotation
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:45:14 CST

Is there a way to rotate imported graphics and text lines in increments other
than 90 degrees?

I don't see anything in the manual that says it shouldn't work, but I can't
seem to get it to work.  It works fine when I draw something with the toolkit.


Jeff
From: pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: VERILOG geode
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:46:10 GMT


Does anybody work with the SDL tool VERILOG geode?
It generates mif output, but we wish to have it as
life link in FrameMaker. No chance, if there is
only one company. 

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Is there "mail merge" in Framemaker?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:19:11 GMT

Perhaps this is an FAQ? Clearly conditional text won't do the job.
Has anyone found neat ways to go about this mundane function?
Like merging a file full of addresses into the beginning of a letter?
It's Christmas time again!
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Rotating objects other than 90deg.
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:12:27 GMT

I could do this on HPUX ... but how can I do it on the MS-Windows
version ?   Or can it be done at all (version 3.0) ?
 
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. Kyle Hor                    .    /       / _   .  Email  khor@bnr.ca     .
. Bell-Northern Research Ltd. .   /__\  / / /_\  .  Phone  (613) 763-2488  .
. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada     .  / \  \/ /  \__  .  ESN          393-2488  .
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................  standard disclaimer, 2 cents opinion  ....................
.............  searching forever, for the perfect solution  ................
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: cobb@cup.hp.com (Chris Cobb)
Subject: Re: Frame3.1 under Hp-UX
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:49:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

rolf@tdv.k8.rt.bosch.de (Rolf H. Buerk IVA3. Tel. 1341) writes:
| We are running FrameMaker Version 3.1 on a HP 9000/300.
| We want to upgrade from HP-UX 7.0 to HP-UX 9.0.
| On the Frame tape there only the information HP-UX 7.0 or 8.0.
| 
| Does anybody know if the version 3.1 is running under HP-UX 9.0 ?

I have been running FrameMaker 3.1X under hp-ux 9.0 for about 6 months 
without any problems on 9000/700 and 9000/800 machines. I don't know of 
any reason that it should not also work on a 9.0 s300.

Cheers,
Chris Cobb                    vmail: (408) 447-7136
CSY Engineering Support       email: cobb@cup.hp.com
Cupertino CA                  pager: I'm not telling

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From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Licensing FM
Keywords: Licensing
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:15:05 GMT

In article <1880@scax18.pki-nbg.philips.de> pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov18.033803.17768@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
> So what is the smallest value to which this can be set?  Our default
>|> around here is 999, which I'm working on changing.  But we had to pull a
>|> guy out of a meeting last week just to give up his license.  
>|> 
>
>I don't no the smallest value, we work with 5 minutes.

The "Installing FrameMaker" manual states that the smallest value is
3601 (1 hour and 1 minute, expressed in seconds)


Jonathan B. Horen
horen@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: WinFrame3.0, UAE in PCL5 Driver
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:03:44 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Does this look familiar to anyone?
I have emailed the question to Frame, but I have no idea how long they
typically take to respond (if they respond at all).

I just switched from a LaserJet-IID to a LaserJet-IIID, and am now
experiencing Unrecoverable Application Errors (UAEs) in FrameMaker (I
haven't seen UAEs before at all).

System:
  Frame 3.0
  Windows 3.1 on DOS 5.1, 
  CPU generic 8 Mbyte 486/33,
  1024x768 Diamond Stealth S-VGA
  120 Mbytes disk free space

Printer was:
  2 Mb LaserJet-IID, using PCL, no font cartridges
  Parallel port
  No problemo

Printer now is:
  5 Mb LaserJet-IIID, using PCL, no font cartridges.
  Parallel port

  UAE is: "General Protection Fault in HPPCL5A.DRV at 000E:2E91"

It appears to happen in the situations:
 - Printing a book of about a dozen 2- or 4-page documents
 - Printing multiple copies (4 or more) of the same document, with the
   count specified in Frame's print dialog box
 - Having more than 4 or so print requests queued at any one time.

I would appreciate any suggestions for a fix or work-around.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: singhal@cs.utexas.edu (Vivek P. Singhal)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: default permissions
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:27:27
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Austin, CS Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: twins.cs.utexas.edu
In-reply-to: pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de's message of 20 Nov 92 14:52:16 GMT

>>>>> In article <1992Nov20.155216@sld64pki-nbg.philips.de>, pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de (joachim friedrichs) writes:

JF> Does anybody know how to change the default permissions
JF> (group and others: read) for frame-X.3.1 "save as".

The csh's umask command determines the default file creation mask.
FrameMaker uses this mask to set the default values of the Group and
Public read/write permissions in the Save As dialog box.

On a Sun, see the csh(1) man page for more information on using the
umask command.  Here's some examples:

umask 077			# no group or public read/write
umask 022			# no group or public write
umask 007			# no public read/write
umask 002			# no public write
...

Normally, you would set the umask in your ~/.cshrc file.
--


Vivek

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From: juparra@gel.ulaval.ca (Juan Parra)
Subject: FrameMaker user's guide needed
 
Reply-To: juparra@gel.ulaval.ca
Organization: Dept. Genie Electrique, Universite Laval
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:54:11 GMT