HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Castrovalva
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:24:32 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu

In article <jrk.728080952@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
>Thanks to everyone who told me that nearly all of Doctor Who is readily
>available on video.  Having now seen Castrovalva, I'm still wondering
>just how strong the connection with Escher is.  For example:

[many examples deleted]

>Presumably the programme makers intended these, but then why were they
>not more explicit?  I didn't notice a single impossible cube, endless
>staircase, or intricate tesselation.  Perhaps they couldn't get
>permission from Escher's estate for a more substantial use of his images?


These were most definitely intended.  The episode was inspired by
several Escher prints, among them those you mentioned (as far as I
recall--this being from a fairly fuzzy recollection).  I imagine that
the idea behind it was to use the elements that were important to the
story, as opposed to using the story to showcase Escher.  I think they
succeeded.  Much more Escher would have been like an Art Appreciation
class.

I think one of the most successful elements of the story is its
ability to extrapolate from the ideas Escher had.  It goes into the
effects of what living in the world Escher pictured would be like, as
in the scene where the Doctor is drawing the map where one shop is
located in four different places according to one of the residents.
Or the scene where he asks directions from the women in the square and
they all point to a different place, because in their world, each
direction, though contradictory to another, is completely accurate.
To have substituted more direct Escher-isms would have been cheap (in
the literary sense; I imagine it could have been costly in terms of
royalties) and lazy.



Nancy 
--
|.."I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice..|....Nancy Norbeck.....|
|......Krispies."  Charles Emerson Winchester III......|.norbeck@bucknell.edu.|
From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:54:31 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <21JAN199310291723@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes:
>	Am I correct in assuming tha this was an "Elementary, my dear 
>Watson", type line, in that it was never said as often as people thought
>it was?

Another good example is "Beam me up, Scotty."
Apparently it never was said at all.  "Beam >us< up," perhaps ...

"Jerk to engineering."
"Snot here, Captain."
"What's not there, Lieutenant Snot?"
                                       --`Star Drek'

--
Email replies must be sent to keeper@deeptht.armory.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: companions
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:29:31 EST

nmp@mfltd.co.uk (Nic Percival) wrote:

-> I beg to differ. I read one of the Dr Who books called the Doomsday
-> Weapon. I'm almost certain Liz Shaw was his companion in this. I
-> believe the corresponding story was called something like 'Space
-> Colony' or something like that. It involves the Doctor and Liz Shaw
-> going to this colony (a mining colony as I recall) and preventing the
-> Master getting hold of a

-> Or was it Jo Grant?

 It was Jo Grant and the story was "A Colony In Space".

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: C.J.Malley1@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: new episodes
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:44:23 GMT
Reply-To: C.J.Malley1@lut.ac.uk (CJ Malley)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <wBHsXB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> gregoryf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Fink) writes:
>there have been no official episodes made since the camera's stopped 
>rolling on survival.  However the BBC film club has made two short films 
>containing a very doctor who like storyline.  They feature colin baker, 
>nicola bryant, sophie aldred and others.  There have also, I'm sure, been 
>many fan productions of various projects as well.  But, alas, no season 
>twenty seven....
>
Sorry to be pedantic, but the last serial to be filmed was Ghost Light.

        Chris Malley           C.J.Malley1@lut.ac.uk

        "Security efficiency one hundred percent...  one thousand percent...  
              one billion trillion trillion percent.  Or more p'raps."
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:49:50 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1993Jan22.133315.668@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.225438.4507@wam.umd.edu>, mrmuon@next04csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>> I don't think there had actually been anything in the show at that point  
>> saying that "An Unearthly Child" was set in 1963. Indeed I'm not sure that  
>> there has been any indicating that in the show, even in "Rememberance of  
>> the Daleks".
> No, it is said it was 1963, but not in episode one of the story.
> In episode two!  
> here's the line as best I remember it:
> Ian:  So when we go out of that door we won't be in a junkyard in London
> 	in England in the year 1963?
> 
> And this date is verified in later stories by dialog between Ian and Barbara.

And in part of "Remembrance of the Daleks" when the Doctor is pointing
the burn marks on the playground out to Ace, she says something along
the lines of "But this is Earth, 1963.  Someone would have seen it and
I'd have heard about it."
-- 
Mark Kinney [KINNEMA@WKUVX1.(BITNET)(WKU.EDU)] | Give me Slack OR KILL ME!
PhoneNet: (502) 745-4246   (Bowling Green, KY) | K A /\ /\ I E T I
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:05:00 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

00kacohn@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

> 
>      I'm not up on my Pertwee shows, but I remember it from "The Five Doctors
> 
> Casey

Didn't the fifth Doctor use the phrase in "Mawdryn Undead" as well.  I seem to
remember it used.  Would have to check the story again though.
At least the Doctor doesn't constantly run a "level 3 diagnostic", like some
blind engineers I know.  :)


-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: jjackson@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Jackson, John A)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Space Rangers (was Re: TimeTrax)
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:06:00 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In reference to "TimeTrax" news@news.clarkson.edu writes:

>   Geez...it  wasn't  that  bad  -  I  thought  alot  of  the  science was
> incredulous,  but  the  most incredulous thing to me, was the falling  in
> love so quickly, and perhaps  the more advanced physical things that they
> all possessed.  But it was still  slightly  interesting.   I  think  it's
> debut went better than Space Rangers' did!

     I  recorded  TimeTrax  last  weekend  but haven't had time to see yet;
study, study, study!!!  What little I did see,  however,  did  look  pretty
cheesy.

     But  anyway,  I  actually  *like*  "Space  Rangers" after seeing a few
episodes.  Admittedly, the pilot was a bit weak,  but after seeing two more
episodes I've come to the conclusion that the only  thing really wrong with
the pilot was that it wasn't!  It was really no different  that  a  regular
episode; it had nothing special about it, such as giving extra time to more
deeply introduce the characters.  I would probably like it better if  there
had been a real pilot.
From: prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr. who pinball machi
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:07:24 CST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

|||| Joseph L. Kaufman talked about Dr. who pinball machine ||||
 JLK> Hey all,
 JLK> I was wondering who else has seen the new Dr. Who pinball
 JLK> machine (at least it is new in Des Moines, IA!)
 JLK> It was sort of hard (I suck at pinball) and expensive
 JLK> (50 cents), but it was wonderfully noisy -- full of music and 
 JLK> Daleks shouting loudly.  The idea was to get two balls into
 JLK> 'time locks' make a column rise, batter the Dalek shielding,
 JLK> then pick off the three Daleks that then rise.  There is also
 JLK> a transmat power deal that I didn't quite figure out.
 JLK> There is even a cute little Dalek chase where you can
 JLK> use the paddle buttons to jump and run from a pursuing Dalek
 JLK> which takes place on the little 5x10 inch graphics screen.
 JLK> And if you are real good, you get to write your initials
 JLK> in the Book of Rassilon!  ;}
 JLK> The machine I saw was in the local family fun center,
 JLK> and I have heard there is another at a nearby 7-11.  So if there
 JLK> are _two_ machines in one IOWA city, I am sure there are more out 
 JLK> there.  Happy Pinball!

 JLK> JoeK a.k.a. Sutekh


 JLK> I EAT the celery...If nothing else,
 JLK> I'm sure it's good for my teeth!


Ya! Saw that great machine at Visions '92 and at my local video arcade.
Bally/Midway seems to be pushing it and, judging from the sales, it seems
to be making them money. But, money aside, It's a GREAT game!!! A Blast,
has to have been the best pinball machine EVER! Now all they have to do
is make a video game.... (greedy grin). 


                     More Mumblings From The Master,

---------------------------------------------------------------------
 Pat Mondi                   | "Be seeing you!" - #2 to #6 
 (prisoner.infopls.chi.il.us)| "So, eat any good books lately?" -Q
-----------------------------| "We play the contest again, Timelord!          
Pat's Quotes of the SIG -->  |  -Curse Of Fenric, ep. 3
---------------------------------------------------------------------

... There's nothing a concentrated phaser blast can't solve.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: more about Lalla Ward
From: Philip J. Comins <PJCHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 13:23:21 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

   -Ok. Yes, the Vampire movies have been mentioned.
   -Yes, I have an old copy of Fantasy Empire magazine which interviewed her
    and I believe (if I remember correctly) that her name is Lady Sarah Ward.
   -One movie that hasn't been mentioned yet is that L.W. also did a
    pornographic film! I don't recall the name off hand, but I seem to recall
    her name listed among the credits. If you all wait until the end of
    Febuary, I'll get you the name of that movie. Personally, I don't know
    what persuaded her to do it.
PS -As a side note, she had been "taking" gymnastic lessons at her University
    drama school (actually she hated the class and skipped it quite often).
    Her scenes in _Vampire Circus_ involving the flips etc were done by her
    stunt double. When the movie finished filming, she returned to her gym
    teacher and told him what a beastly little man he was - all she had to
    do was bounce up and down on a springboard!
                                                        - Philip J. Comins
    "You've discovered television, haven't you?..." - The Truely Original Doc.
From: das0@quads.uchicago.edu (donald andrew smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Whatever became on Lala Ward ?
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: das0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <C17J4r.7D1@newcastle.ac.uk> G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:
>
>>In <C14FzL.GzG@ecf.toronto.edu> giggey@ecf.toronto.edu (GIGGEY Mike S) writes:
>>I saw "Potato"  over Xmas vacation and laughed my buttocks off.  After I put
>>them back on again, I saw the credits and realized who had been playing that
>>legless nutcase.  I swear I got through the entire episode without
>>recognizing ol' Tom!
>
> How could you not spot that voice? Shocking! 8^)
>Gareth

I had a similar experience watching the BBC version of CSLewis's _The
Silver CHair_.  Just as they were arriving at Puddleglum's place, 
I turned to my mom and brother (this was over christmas a year or two ago)
and said, "You know who would make a great Puddleglum?  Tom Baker!  He'd
be awesome!"  A mere handful of seconds later, THAT VOICE came wafting out
of the TV set, and I just went "Oh, my GOD!!!  It's HIM!!!"
And I was right, he was brilliant.  I truly had no idea he was in the
show.  Weird coincidence, huh?

Don Smith
From: jfy@cis.ksu.edu (Joseph F. Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ftp.cis.ksu.edu is mirroring the rec.arts.drwho ftp archive
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:21:16 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: depot.cis.ksu.edu
Summary: a mirror of the drwho ftp archive

Since some sites are having troubles getting to the rec.arts.drwho
which is advertised in the FAQ to be on frontios.niagra.edu, I've setup
ftp.cis.ksu.edu (129.130.10.80) to mirror the archive in
/pub/mirrors/Doctor_Who.  This mirror will be updated every morning,
so it should keep in sync. 

Cheers,
-- 
Joseph Young, Systems Programmer
KSU Department of Computing and Information Sciences
Manhattan, Kansas 66506  FAX: (913) 532-7353  Phone: (913) 532-6350   
Internet: jfy@cis.ksu.edu  UUCP: rutgers!depot!jfy 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:57:38 GMT

ecohn@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:

>Well, in "Remembrance of the Daleks", episode four, there is a wobbly set
>(grin).  When the little girl kills the sgt, he falls back against some stairs
>and if you watch, you can see the stairs slide backwards a bit!

 Also, episode 1 has a camera pop out from a side wall
 (this is where the Doctor and Ace first meet the Headmaster)
 look top right of the screen.

 In the Crappiness Patrol, one of the female happy police wotsits rushes
 out behind, realizes it isnt her cue, and runs back again
 (when Dr is repairing buggy, lokk in background)

 Watch out for the amazing appearing Umbrella in Dragonfire...one minute 
 he has it, then, for a brief second of Glitzs ship, he has it again...

 I could go on!!!
 Jason.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Subject: Re: "Good Dalek" Question
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:56:55 GMT

In article <1joljrINNq3t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> keeper@deeptht.armory.com writes:


>Unfortunately, only episode 2 remains of this story, called
>"The Evil of the Daleks."  That episode is available on
>video, I believe, in "The Troughton Years" tape.  That episode
>is before the Human Factor gets instilled in the Daleks, though.
>
>The entire audio of the seven-part story does remain, however,
>but is not released in any official form.
>

Bzzzzz.... wrong(don't you hate people who do that ;-)

I don't know about America, but it is indeed out on a double BBC Audio
cassette in Britain, and is most excellent.

It's been out for a while in Britain, so I imagine it'll be out in America
sooner or later, and if you do see it snap it up immediately.

Tim.
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Question: Regeneration
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:04:26 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce

>	I'm posting this question for my brother, who is really getting
>into Dr. Who.  Please e-mail your replies to me, as I don't usually
>read this newsgroup.
>
>	Ok, what he'd like to know is the name of all the different
>actors who have played the Doctor, and which regeneration they were.
>
>	Thanks in advance.
>
>Dara
Is there a FAQ for this group. If not, I think it may be time to start
one!

-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow
Date: 20 Jan 93 18:38:23 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <C1593r.Hn9@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, asheffie@napier.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
> Here's a challenge for people who think they know their Who:
> 
> Name every episode that featured that infamous line, "Reverse the polarity
> of the neutron flow."

"The Sea Devils"
"Castrovalva"
"Mawdryn Undead"
"The Five Doctors"

So, Peter Davison actually ties Jon Pertwee for the record.
Pertwee comes close to saying it in some other stories.  The ones that
come to mind are "fusing the control of the neutron flow" in "The Silurians,"
and "reversing the polarity" in "The Daemons," and "Frontier in Space."

Steven.K.Manfred
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Who Books For Sale
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:23:59 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA



     Label     Title                         Condition
Target                          cover    Mint = M
                                $3.50    Near Mint= NM
                                $2.     OK = Cosmetic Damage
               Dalek Invasion Of Earth       M
               Dominators                    NM   
               Planet Of Fire                OK
               Terror Of The Autons          NM
               The Twin Dilemma              OK
               The Aztecs                    M
               The Zarbi                     M
               The Daleks                    OK
               The Mark Of The Rani          NM
               Unearthly Child               NM
Pinnacle       Android Invasion              OK 1nd & 2ndprinting
               Dinosaur Invasion             OK
               Genesis Of The Daleks         OK
               Loch Ness Monster             NM
               Masque of Mandragora          OK
               Day Of The Daleks             M
               Revenge Of The Cybermen       OK
               Seeds Of Doom                 NM
               Talons Of Weng Chiang         NM
Ballantine
Find Your Fate Race Against Time             M
FASA           
               Dr W: Rebel's Gamble  (6th dr)     OK      

Target         2nd Dr W Quiz Book            M
               Harry Sullivan's War
               a Turlough "Companions of Dr W" book whose title I don't
remember, M 
Hardcover books:

The Key To Time  M, $35
Dr W Celebration, M, $25 -- oversize hardcover books
Dr W Monster Book (TBaker), M, $6  --  magazine-size paperbacks
Files Mag. Dr Who Season 9 (UK edition), M, $5.50  

-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: richard@skaro.demon.co.uk (Richard Develyn)
Subject: Re: Video Tape Edits 
Organization: skaro
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:14:34 +0000

re Brain of Morbius on video.

This story was originally released in the UK in the shorter (59 mins 
sounds about right) version. These were in the days when pre-recorded 
videos were a luxury costing 2 to 3 times the price now. The vid was 
then re-released about 5 years later in it's uncut format.

Richard
--

Richard Develyn from Hastings, Sussex, England ( rad@cix.compulink.co.uk ).
Software engineer (datacomms) for Cray Network Systems. Married to Caroline.
Baby daughter Sophie (b. 3/11/92). Hobbies: Dr Who, FRPG, SF, Curry,
quality computer games, philanthropic discussions.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:27:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.231011.13524@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:
>I once saw a collection of outtakes from the filming of Dr. Who, most of

I'd buy this collection.

>  T. Baker, with Lala Ward:  ...hurtling on toward infinity.  How long, K-9?
>  K-9:  Insufficient data, Master.
>  T. Baker:  Yes, you never fucking know the answer when it's important.

What was the context?  Nothing described here indicates the scene would have
been a blooper except for TB using the F word.  I mean, had something happened
that made it clear the scene was doomed anyway?  I can't see him messing up
a take just because he thought of something mildly funny to say.

Perhaps he forgot his line, in which case making up something funny was no
more damaging than saying "oops, I forgot my line"?

  Thanks awfully,
            Patrick

Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au (Jim Garner)
Subject: Re: Wanted: DW bloopers...
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:00:43 GMT

mrmuon@next04csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

|I don't think there had actually been anything in the show at that point  
|saying that "An Unearthly Child" was set in 1963. Indeed I'm not sure that  
|there has been any indicating that in the show, even in "Rememberance of  
|the Daleks".

In the adventure about the computer Wotan trying to take over, a date
is given (mid to late sixties). Ian says it's only a few years away
from where they are trying to get back to. 
Sorry I'm a bit vague on this, but I haven't seen it since the
original run in Britain (yes I _am_ that old). But it did indicate
that the series was set in "our time". 
-- 
Jim Garner B.Math (Newcastle NSW Australia) - jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au