HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: About FTP mail
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:55:34 GMT

In <93Jan3.232019eet.10250-1@utu.fi> mea@utu.fi (Matti Aarnio) writes:

>In comp.mail.misc  W.M.Chung <wmchung@ie.cuhk.hk> wrote:
>>Hello!
>>
>>I have a question about FTP mail. I know that FTP mail can mail
>>a specific file to a user. If the file is a program, than how
>>to extract from the mail? As you know, a mail has a mail header
>>in the front.

>  There is no single beast known as "FTP mail".
>  [description of archive mailers deleted]

I think W.M.Chung was asking how to extract programs from mail, rather
than asking for a rundown of ftpmailers :^)

Most programs are sent/requested as source code (if extremely short) or
as tar files (this is the normal situation).  Since the tars are usually
compressed in an eight-bit format, one of two formats is typically
used:  btoa or uuencode.  With ftpmail@decwrl, you can state which
format you'd like the file in.  

If, like me, you specify uuencoded format, you can use the uuconvert
program to strip out the mail headers/signatures from the files and
then automatically uudecode the file.  Otherwise, you'll probably have to
manually strip the stuff out with an editor (like vi).

I highly recommend doing it the uuconvert route.

Another option if the mail messages arrived in order is to use the
nn newsreader.  If you have a set mail maildir line in your ~/.nn/init
file, you can do a :rmail, highlight all of the articles (that you
want decoded) then do a :decode to it.

If you don't have the set mail line in your init file, you can specify
the file in your command line (I think it's nn -f /usr/spool/mail/wmchung).
Once again, highlight the articles you want decoded and use :decode.

Enjoy!

-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce
From: pck@dde.dk (Peter Roboz Kristensen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Santa?
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:18:42 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

rstory@elegant.com (Robert Story) writes:

>In article <zmt8s*6I0@senga.ka.sub.org> chr@senga.ka.sub.org (Christian Riede) writes:
>> In article <9212141156.AA14731@cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk>, Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J. 
>>       Crepin-Leblond writes:
>> 
>> > >A collegue gave me Santa Claus's email address as follows:
>> > >> 
>> > >> S.Claus@arctic.circle.np 
>> > 
>> > I'm affraid to have to inform you that your colleague is pulling your
>> > leg. The .np top level domain is one for Nepal, which is quite a way
>> > away from the North Pole.
>> > You may want to try with .fi (Finland), .is (Iceland), .no (Norway),
>> > .int (International), or perhaps .nt (Neutral Zone).
>> > ;-)
>> What about .com ? :-) :-)
>What about .ca as the area covering the north pole is claimed by Canada?!

I must point out, that Santa Claus does **not** live in Finland,
Iceland, Norway or Canada, but

on Greenland.

I don't know if there is any top level domain specific for Greenland
??

-- 
Peter Roboz Kristensen                         Telephone:  Int +45 42 84 50 11
Application Program Development                Fax:        Int +45 42 84 52 20
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark     E-mail:     pck@dde.dk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg (Wong Chee Heng)
Subject: sendmail problem
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:55:07 GMT


I am encountering a very strange problem with sendmail. I am in a node called
nuscc.nus.sg., and I sent to a user called ccecst in a node called 
solomon.technet.sg. using Pine/elm. When I use sendmail -v option from 
command line the mail get through. The following shows the return 
script that I got after I sent the message:



From MAILER-DAEMON@solomon.technet.sg Tue Dec 22 11:48:54 1992
Received: from solomon.technet.sg by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34)
	id AA27813; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:25:09 +0800
Received: by solomon.technet.sg (5.65/1.34)
	id AA02438; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:25:29 +0800
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:25:29 +0800
From: MAILER-DAEMON@solomon.technet.sg (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
Message-Id: <9212220125.AA02438@solomon.technet.sg>
To: ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg
Status: RO
X-Status: 

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
While talking to solomon.technet.sg.:
>>> HELO solomon.technet.sg
<<< 553 Local configuration error, hostname not recognized as local
554 <ccecst@solomon.technet.sg.>... Service unavailable

   ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
<ccecst@solomon.technet.sg.> (bounced)

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
Received: from nuscc.nus.sg by solomon.technet.sg (5.65/1.34)
	id AA02436; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:25:29 +0800
Received: by nuscc.nus.sg (5.65/1.34)
	id AA27808; Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:25:04 +0800
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:25:04 +0800 (SST)
From: Wong Chee Heng <ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg>
Subject: testing
To: ccecst@solomon.technet.sg.
Message-Id: <Pine.2.4.9212220948.A25091@nuscc.nus.sg>

Hello.




Anyone knows what is going on?


--
Wong Chee Heng
Systems Programmer
ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg.
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Need help getting from internet to uucp
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:12:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <MAILQUEUE-101.921218104037.256@ACSNovell1.uta.edu>
DONAHOE@acsnovell1.uta.edu (Sean Donahoe)  writes

>    I am trying to send mail from a machine on the internet (DOS-
> based PC running Pegasus Mail through a CHARON gateway to internet),
> and I need to know how to address the To: line to get to a "uucp
> only" xenix-based PC.  . . .  I have even tried to send mail to
"Postmaster" at the gateway site, and have had my mail bounce as
> "undeliverable for 3 days".  . . .  So my first question is:
> 
> Why won't Postmaster@IA-NGNET.army.mil accept any mail (or anyone
> else at IA-NGNET)?
> 
> and my second question is:
>
> If I do eventually get through this gateway, how do I send to f20?
> Do I have to mix uucp bang paths with internet addresses, do I use !
> or % or :: or what to separate the name elements?

As of today I'm having no problem establishing an SMTP connection to
ia-ngnet.army.mil.  Your problem may have disappeared by now.  If not,
send me an actual copy of a bounce message which I can forward to them.

As for addressing, I'd suggest trying both user%f20@ia-ngnet.army.mil
and f20!user@ia-ngnet.army.mil for the first attempt.  Maybe the
gateway knows best how to route it.  If that fails, I guess another
query to the postmaster would be in order.


Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

$ telnet ia-ngnet.army.mil 25
Trying ia-ngnet.army.mil (port 25) ...
Connected to 132.94.11.1.
Escape character is '^]'.

220 ngbia2 Server SMTP (Complaints/bugs to:  mmdf@IA-NGNET.army.mil)
vrfy postmaster
250 Nice address <postmaster@ngbia2>
quit
221 ngbia2 says goodbye to wrair-emh1.army.mil at Mon Dec 21 13:07:44.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: sjg@zen.void.oz.au (Simon J. Gerraty)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail <-> SMTP for SCO
Organization: zen programming...
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:23:18 GMT

In <pauln.725094428@nuustak> Paul Nash <paul@tantrum.csir.co.za> writes:
>Thus spake sean@ost40.utoday.com (Sean Fulton):
>> Anyone know where I can obtain source for an SMTP <-> Microsoft Mail
>> gateway to run on an SCO ODT 2.0 system??

>MS-Mail uses a proprietary encryption scheme, which makes it almost
>impossible to roll your own gateway.  Microsoft will, however, _sell_
>you an SMTP gateway (that runs on a stand-alone PC) for plenty $$$
>(more than your original MS-Mail license).  To be able to generate
>SMTP addresses in outgoing mail, they'll also _sell_ you an SMTP
>addressing module (one for each postoffice that you want to be able
>to send SMTP mail) for even more $$$ (more than the gateway cost).

This seems to be par for the course.  Of several PC-Mail to SMTP
gateways that I have (indirectly) come accross, all seem totally
inadequate (certainly not worth the money).  They seem to all
have been written by folk who have never used UNIX mail, and
thus make all sorts of silly restricting assuptions (like every
SMTP mail recipient must have an account or alias on the
gateway!).

My own inclination is to junk PC-MAIL systems competely, and
look for a decent POP client to run under your favourite user
interface.  You could easily cost justify a UNIX system as your
mail server, by adding up the cost of your PC-MAIL package, its
gateways to any of {UUCP,SMTP,dialin users,...} and keep in mind
that it often costs you on a per user basis.
-- 
Simon J. Gerraty        <sjg@zen.void.oz.au>

#include <disclaimer>   /* imagine something _very_ witty here */
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin,news.admin.misc
From: chris@castlab.uucp (Christian)
Subject: Re: Help! how to run a mailing list?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: comp
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:59:26 CST

In article <BETSYS.92Dec20124025@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>
>  So I had an idea, checked to see that no-one else was running a
>similar list, got a few names, put them in a file, pointed an
>alias in /usr/local/lib/mail/aliases to the file, and told the world.
>
>2) What list software is available for Unix? Is there anything better than
>   doing it by hand but smaller than running Unix listserv software?
>
>Thanks, Betsy

Hija....
I simply went for the big one and setup a listserv, even though I only mail to
about 10 people. It took me about 2 hours to get it running, and I get what
is a rather professional result.

I use listserv5.5, the latest version. Use archie and get yourself a copy if
interested. I'd be happy to help if you need it.

-Chris
From: dawson@hobbes.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: smail and Taylor uucp
Summary: Is there an smail hack for Taylor uucp config files?
Keywords: smail, Taylor
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: hypnos!dawson@bselab.bls.com
Organization: BellSouth Systems Integration

I've got smail 3.1.25. It knows several flavors of uucp, but Taylor uucp
does not seem to be one of those.  Is there support for Taylor uucp in
one of the later versions/patchlevels?
--
 Willard Dawson, BellSouth Advanced Networks, 1100 Johnson Ferry Road, Ste. 880
 Atlanta, GA  30342, Voice: +1 404 303 2343, UUCP: gatech!vdbsan!hobbes!dawson
 Internet -> X.400:  /G=W/S=DAWSON/O=BSAN/ADMD=BELLSOUTH/C=US/@sprint.com
 Percent hack:  dawson%vdbsan@gatech.edu   ::    Standard disclaimer applies.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4096 comp.mail.uucp:2429
From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 21:21:43 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

In <fkc1Hr-8lb@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>In article <V1L9VB3w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:
>>Hmmm... some site would need to advertise itself as a top-level server
>>for .UUCP?  Not likely, not for free?

Very unlikely.  Unless you could get a number of sites to start
doing it at the same time (then it's just "quite unlikely").

>>If the MX record for willard.UUCP were to indicate a path of
>>gatech.edu!vdbsan!willard!%s, or something similar, would that not still
>>route mail in the exact same way that UUNET would route mail otherwise?

>You're thinking UUCP again, Willard.

Yes, bzzt.  Unless someone wants to do some serious hacking on BIND (or
equivalent), the only way I can see to do this is either:
	* all mailers that ask the DNS about .UUCP. MXes send the
	  mail on to a randomly selected Internet->UUCP gateway.
	* Everyone in .UUCP. registers an MX with somebody.

The second option is pretty pointless.  If you're going to register,
you may as well use a real domain (eg in .US.), modulo concerns about
the US domain currently being strictly geographical.

As far as I know, the random selection will give a different MX for
each message, for sendmail and RFC-compliant MTAs.  Is this wrong?
There will be some sites which always pick the first MX which responds
before timeout (not very random), but are they more than say 10%?

>>What have I overlooked?

>The fact that you'd have to reconfigure the majority of mailers out there
>in order for it to work  (Remove CPUUCP from the sendmail.cf)

Your milage may vary depending on vendor, etc.  Not everyone uses "P".

It may not be necessary to do this though.  If a mailer can handle the
.UUCP "domain" intelligently now, there's no reason to change it.
I thought the idea was just to provide a "safety net" for mailers
which don't know what to do with mail for .UUCP.  Why flood the
(hypothetical) internet->uucp gateway(s)?

You've also overlooked the question of whether the Internet (with a
capital I) people would want to encourage anything which "legitimises"
the .UUCP (pseudo) domain.  I suspect the answer (at least from Inter-
net-centric people) may be "if you want your mail to work reliably,
go get a real domain name; if not, stop complaining".

Perhaps now would be a good time for Willard to tell us his tale of woe
regarding being in ".US."

-- 
<David.Keegel@apana.org.au>  <werple!tuple!boombox!djk>  Tel: +61 3 593-1460
aka: djk@boombox.apana.org.au, djk@cs.mu.oz.au.  Formerly: djk@bby.com.au.
From: davehyde@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: How to route mail?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 06:11:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Thanks for the help, everyone.  I'm straightened out now.

Dave Hyde
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: sean@ost40.utoday.com (Sean Fulton)
Subject: Microsoft Mail <-> SMTP for SCO
Organization: CMP Publications Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 21:56:56 GMT

Anyone know where I can obtain source for an SMTP <-> Microsoft Mail
gateway to run on an SCO ODT 2.0 system??

sean
From: pck@dde.dk (Peter Roboz Kristensen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Santa?
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:17:24 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

fin@unet.umn.edu (Craig A. Finseth) writes:

I wrote:
>|> 
>|> I don't know if there is any top level domain specific for Greenland
>|> ??

You wrote:

>Umm, a check of any related reference work will tell you that
>Greenland is administered[*] by .... your own country: Denmark.

Well, I'm aware of the political situation, see below.

>Thus, sites in Greenland that choose to use the country code form
>would have names that end in .dk.

Someone called Russel in Canada wrote to me, that there is a top level
domain called .gl for Greenland.

Almost everything in Denmark is small, except Greenland, so a list
over nodes in Denmark, using .dk didn't reveal any sites from
Greenland. That's why I asked.

>[*] "administered" my not be the right word.  It isn't technically a
>part of Denmark, nor is it a colony, but, if you want to go there,
>your first stop (after the psychiatrist (:-)) [**] is the Danish
>Government/Embassy/Consulate.

In fact it is a modern kind of colony. Greenland have two
representatives in the Danish Parliament, and Greenland receives large
amount of economical support from Denmark. Many laws in Denmark is
valid for Greenland  too, in fact, it has to be stated in the law
text if it is not valid on Greenland and the Faroe Islands.

The police on Greenland and on the Faroe Islands are just departments
of the Danish Police.

>[**] This is tounge-in-cheek.  The country is ferociously beautiful
>(at least from the window of a 747) and I would like to visit there
>someday.  The weather there isn't a lot different from that outside my
>window right now.

You should visit it, I would like too one day.

-- 
Peter Roboz Kristensen                         Telephone:  Int +45 42 84 50 11
Application Program Development                Fax:        Int +45 42 84 52 20
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark     E-mail:     pck@dde.dk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail <-> SMTP mail
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:24:26 GMT

A number of folks have asked me where to get Pegasus Mail and the Charon
gateway.  A good anonymous ftp source is risc.ua.edu (130.160.4.7).
Look in /pub/networks/pegasus for charon40.zip, pmail235.exe and
pmmac202.hqx.  This site keeps up-to-date.  You could also try our site
blaze.trentu.ca (192.75.12.200).  Look in /pub/dos for pmail235.exe and
charon40.zip and /pub/mac for pmmac202.hqx.
-- 
Ken Brown                                   internet: kbrown@trentu.ca
Trent University Computing & Telecommunications  tel: (705)748-1540
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8           fax: (705)748-1246
From: sean@ugcs.caltech.edu (M. Sean Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Reaching General Electric GEMS network
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: gap.1i777eINN3jr
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: near.ugcs.caltech.edu


I have an address: <whyte.mde> in the GEMS E-mail system at GE in the US,
I have checked the mail network system -> I am unabble to reach that account.
I have located a machine gemsgw.med.ge.com.
I wish to know the correct de-code for the above address.

Sean Bennett
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Anderson Consulting (was: Lotus Notes)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:13:57 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <1992Dec22.110700.2960@nuscc.nus.sg> tiakjung@iss.nus.sg (Chng Tiak 
Jung) asks:

> Does anyone know is there a way to send email from Internet to a Lotus
> Notes user at Anderson Consulting?
> Please reply through email - I don't read this newsgroup often.

Although I've replied directly, I'm also posting to the group to point
out that a question of this type can probably be answered best by
someone at the organization itself.  The whois database shows:

Whois: anderson consulting
Anderson Consulting (ACONS-DOM)                                 ACONS.COM
Anderson Consulting (ACSTL-DOM)                                 ACSTL.COM

so it's possible that postmaster @ either acons.com or acstl.com might
be able to answer.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail <-> SMTP mail
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:07:54 GMT


I'd second the suggestion to use the combination of Pegasus Mail and
Charon gateway...it's cheap (free - but you pay for Pegasus docs) and it
works well, easy to use and maintain.
-- 
Ken Brown                                   internet: kbrown@trentu.ca
Trent University Computing & Telecommunications  tel: (705)748-1540
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8           fax: (705)748-1246 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Subject: Re: Looking for Internet / DeVry Gateway info
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Reply-To: zbig@wariat.org (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik)
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:35:17 GMT

As quoted from <1hln20INNkv7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson):

+---------------
> 
> I have a friend named Larry Turnbull, who is a student at DeVry Technical
> Institute in Atlanta, GA.  He told me once that the way he gets on the
> systems that he learns how to program is through gateways.
> 
> I do not have telnet/ftp access, but do have internet E-mail and (of

So how do you connect to Cleveland, California, Pennsylvania ??? 
You must be paying horrible phone bills, Eric !!!

( Not to mention that 3 of systems from your signature offers
telnet/ftp access, and one even for free... :).

> course) usenet access.  Could someone that knows more about this gateway
> tell me how I can go about locating and then sending mail to him?  I do not
> have his phone number, or I'd call and ask him more about the gateways


you are right on the target. The best way to get someone's e-mai
address is to call him, and give him anyone of adresses - and ask
him to send e-mail to you. Then use "R" for reply... 


> since I jave just recently started using the internet.  Thanks
> --
>  __           _    _   _
> (_  _  ' _  , /    <__/ ' __  .     __  , Eric L. Hinson
> (__/(_/_(__/ <__, _/ /_/_//<_/)_<>_//<_/  St. Augustine, FL
>  
> CFN: ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu      CALFN: ab069@swrl36.calstate.edu
> APK: Eric.Hinson@apk.wariat.org   TELERAMA: ehinson@telerama.pgh.pa.us
> FIDONET: Eric.Hinson@f723.n3605.z1.fidonet.org    HAM CALLSIGH: KB4RZF
> * * Electronic mail replies welcome at ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu * *

_zjt
-- 
********************************************************************
Zbigniew J. Tyrlik       DoD# 0759   VF700C '84      zbig@wariat.org
IBM PC SIG Sysop - Cleveland Free-Net    aa609@cleveland.freenet.edu
APK	       Public Access UNI* Cleveland,          (216)-481-9436
Feeds, shell, FTP & telnet access        Uniboard distribution point 
********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: sendmail problem
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:38:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.035507.758@nuscc.nus.sg> ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg (Wong Chee Heng) writes:
>
>I am encountering a very strange problem with sendmail. I am in a node called
>nuscc.nus.sg., and I sent to a user called ccecst in a node called 
>solomon.technet.sg. using Pine/elm. When I use sendmail -v option from 
>command line the mail get through. The following shows the return 
>script that I got after I sent the message:

Actually, you are in the node nuscc.nus.sg and your intended correspondent
is in the node solomon.technet.sg  .  There is no trailing '.' on the
end of domain names.  Some software permits an extra '.', but RFC1123
explicitely disallows the trailing '.' on email addresses.

>While talking to solomon.technet.sg.:
>>>> HELO solomon.technet.sg
><<< 553 Local configuration error, hostname not recognized as local
>554 <ccecst@solomon.technet.sg.>... Service unavailable

>Anyone knows what is going on?

  Your trailing '.' confused the mail software on solomon.

Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4063 comp.mail.uucp:2397