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From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: deseti noemwri
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:50:03 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <Nov11.213438.51144@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> rouskov@CS.ColoState.EDU (yordan rouskov) writes:
>
>
>Wchera be deseti .

A dnes e trinadeseti - Peta^k :-) :-((((.

>Iznenadam sam che nikoi ne se seti da otbelezhi
>tazi osobena data w nai-nai-nowata ni istoria.

Iznenadata e vseobs^ta. Probelma s s.c.b. e che monogo hora c^akat drugi da
se setiat/napravyat/pis^at ... A prosto vseki moz^e da napravi nyakaka^v
prinos bez da chaka blagodarnosti, pohvali, vseobs^t entusiazm ... No -
tova - mez^du drugoto. Ne e personalno - prosto i v minaloto sa^m
zabelyazal chakas^ti no ne doprinasyas^ti ...

>Shte e interesno da prochetem niakoi mnenia.

Mita za 10-ti (kato svetla data i golyam prevrat) be razbit otdavna.
Hubavoto e che samoto nachalo na promyanata pochna i produlz^i mirno. Tova
che nyama kra^v i nasilie bes^e i e naj-vaz^noto.

>Znam che wsichki sa mnogo zaeti, no mislia che
>towa e hubaw powod za rawnosmetka za razwitieto
>na stranata prez poslednite 3 godini, kakto i powod
>za praznuwane (ne za wsichki razbira se).

Golyamoto praznuvane bes^e predi 3 godini - dobre si sponyame vsichki kolko
va^zbudeni byahme, ... Sega e ta^z^no i bez osobeni nadez^di. Sled godina -
dve - nadez^di, entusiazm, sega si e vreme za trezvi oc^enki i stiskane na
zubi ... Moz^e bi vse pak ima nadez^da - az pone hranya edna ...


Pozdravi

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: OBSERVATION (nablyudenie)
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:13:55 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.202923.1705@msus1.msus.edu> radenski@msus1.msus.edu writes:
<...>

->I read 15 postings following this one. Some of them were
->critical follow-ups on the above posting, others were on Latin
->representations of the Cyrilic alphabet etc. Amazingly:

->	1. There was not a single posting that agrees with the above one.

->	2. Practically all follow-ups advocate posting in Bulgarian.

->	3. ALL POSTINGS THAT APPEARED AFTER THE ABOVE ONE, EVEN THOSE
->UNRELATED TO IT, WERE IN ENGLISH.

->Interesting phenomenon, isn't it? 

->	Just curious: is there a Bulgarian who would write a regular mail
->letter to his/her parents in Bulgarian but using the Latin alphabet?
->I guess most parents would rather not hear from their children, than 
->read Bulgarian in Latin. They are older people and they know that 
->you cannot separate the language from the alphabet.

->Regards,

->Atanas Radenski

While we are being analytical, we should notice that:

1) The alphabet used seems to depend mostly on which church got to the
   particular groups of people first.  Catholic Slavs tend to use Latin
   letters.  I recall that some country in the last few hundred years
   switched from one to the other, but I cannot recall which.

2) Bulgarians seem to have an obsession with Cyrillic over and above other
   users, perhaps because they take credit for it's invention.  If fact,
   if I had to guess from what I have seen in this group, the invention of
   Cyrillic is the one thing of which Bulgarians are the most proud.

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: TV and radio broadcast in BG in NYC
From: <ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 22:19:07 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi everybary:

Just to cotribute to the pile of information related to BG.

For 40 years New York City and the tri state area enjoy TV broadcast in

Bulgarian ones a week for 30 minutes.  At present the BG program is on

chanel 25 every Sunday from 17:00 to 17:30 ( 5:00PM to  5:30PM ).

The radio program is every Monday from 20:00 to 21:00 ( 8:00OPM to 9:00PM )

on 96.4 FM.

The program is exclusive domain of Mihail Andonov, who is anouncer, designer

and director.   Until recently the BG program used to anounce address on

Park Avenue, but now they moved to a poor office in West side.  The recession

have hit them or the money supply from BG was limited?

Haide sqs zdrave. (Makar che BG mqdrost kazva "Golo zdrave - jiva bolest")

M.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: K.R.Hauge@easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Subject: Re: women in the theatre?
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: U. of Oslo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:58:59 GMT

In article <92327.004053IO20905@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <IO20905@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
wrote:
> 
> Last May, while in Blagoevgrad, I talked with a director from Sofia,
> who was directing a show at the Dramatichen Teatur in Blagoevgrad.
> We asked him about women playwrights, directors, and scene designers.
> He said there weren't any, or very few well-known ones, working.

There are certainly some women playwrights - Blaga Dimitrova ("Dr.
Faustina") and Lada Galina ("Kristali") are two who immediately come to my
mind; and Mara Grubeshlieva has written several film scenarios (among them
"Taralezhite se razhdat bez bodli").

Kjetil Raa Hauge, U. of Oslo, Norway
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: re: nablyudenie
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:39:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.043909.22153
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In Article 1687, radenski@msus1.msus.edu writes:

>                           (deleted)         Amazingly:
>
>     1. There was not a single posting that agrees with 
>he above one.
>
>     2. Practically all follow-ups advocate posting in Bulgarian.
>
>     3. ALL POSTINGS THAT APPEARED AFTER THE ABOVE ONE, EVEN THOSE
>UNRELATED TO IT, WERE IN ENGLISH.
>
>Interesting phenomenon, isn't it? 

Well, you certainly seem to think so.  Why don't you share your insights with
the rest of us so we'll know what you're getting at?

>              (deleted)
>I guess most parents would rather not hear from their children, than 
>read Bulgarian in Latin. They are older people and they know that 
>you cannot separate the language from the alphabet.

I think you may be on thin ice here, Atanas; language can --and does-- exist
independently of any writing system at all.  There are still non-literate
cultures that have no need of alphabets, and plenty of illiterate people (in
Bulgaria and elsewhere) who would disagree with your assertion.  On the
other hand, there are written languages (Latin, for one) that belong to no
one and that serve no authentic communicative purpose.  Oral language as a
natural phenomenon seems to have primacy over written forms.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bulgaria:1674 soc.culture.greek:10612 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9535
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: An article on Macedonia in "The Guardian" - 13th Nov.
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:57:08 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.


Hi,

There was an article on Macedonia in "The Guardian" - 13th Nov. 1992 (page
10) under the title:
	"EC recognition of Macedonia contains the seeds of war"

J. Eyal (a director of studies at the Royal United Services Institute)
argues that Macedonia should not be recognized AT THE MOMENT. He also
acknowledges that Macedonia was created on territory historically belonging
to Bulgaria and that the existence of the Macedonian nation is contentious.

But maybe the new initiative by the Greek gov (about border guarantees)
will bring new development for Macedonia? I still believe that the main
reason for Greece's objections is (and Serbia's) is the fear of Macedonia
uniting with Bulgaria (as both countries realise quite well that the
history and the hidden/changed Bulgarian ethnicy of the Vardar Macedonians is
towards its end). This was the well known goal of the Macedonian Bulgarians
during the struggle for autonomous Macedonia 70 - 100 years ago but now the
matters are different and Greece shouldn't fear about such developments.

Let's pray and hope that there will be no war in Macedonia

Regards

Luben
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: He will but how? (was Re: Will the king come back?)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:00:14 GMT

A few further words on the topic --

I was in Bulgaria last June.  I saw posters everywhere in Sofia
plugging a birthday celebration for "Tsar Simeon".  Someone had
put quite a bit of effort and money into it.  Times are not
good there :-(,  I hope changes for the worse can be avoided.

Al Moore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: daniel@danbo.bg (Daniel Kalchev)
Subject: Re: what is going on with Jesair?
Organization: Digital Systems
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:06:39 GMT

The TV showed managers (not the owners) of JESAIR stating that they
were given instructions to stay on their work places. At the same time
several planes of the company are frozen on different airports.

Yesterday (or the day before), airport Sofia announced that their
contract for service with JESAIR has expired that day.

My suggestion is to use some other company, like Air France's flight
to New York from Sofia, that costs $574 round trip (with a night in
Paris included :).

Daniel
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: He will but how? (was Re: Will the king come back?)
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:46:40 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <92325.223813ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ANTHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>Hi:
>
>I am quite busy lately and becides the news on the TV while I am waiting for
>
>the weather broadcast I lost track of the devalopments in Bulgaria and East
>
>Europe.

The mess there is complete :-(. Latest news from BG are that prices are
rocketing again, that goods are once again 'absent' from the shops (or at
least this is the trend), that more and more prices are expected to go up.
I was told that 'lukanka' costs about 160 lv, meet - about 100 leva, etc,
etc. 

>  For some time I am constantly asked from Americans "When the king is
>
>expected to return to Bulgaria?".

It seems that it will be soon. However, it doesn't seem that he will come
after a decision for his future status in Bulgaria, but rather to
accelerate this decision.

>  Initialy I took this as a joke, but obviousl
>
>y something is going on.

Nothing special is going on (at least on the surface). He made several
declarations in recent months that his 'waiting time' is over. However, he
never said when is he going to come - i.e. 'when the time is right'.

>  Today a guy told me that the slogan of 1993 in
>
>Bulgaria will be "The king is alive!  Long live the king!".

He is alive for 55 years and seems to have worked hard during that time. As
far as I remember, he is the most successful in his life from all other
ex-monarchs, he managed to build quite a good reputation for himself for
the last 3 years even thought he never visited Bulgaria so far.

>It is actualy anuversary.  King Simeon was crowned in 1943 as long as I remembe
>
>after the death of his father Boris III.

Was he? I think that no Bulgarian monarch from the 3rd Bulgarian kingdom
had a crown :-). But maybe you are right - it is possible that he can
receive the same 'crown' again in 50 years. It maight be more 'thorny' than
his father's one.

>Haide pak sqs zdrave

Da e na hairliya


Luben



-----------------------------------------------------------
I am a republican, socialist and a communist, but
I put above all King Victor Emmanuel II.

				Giuseppe Garibaldi
-----------------------------------------------------------
From: lihouba@dapsas1 (Christo Houbaviy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: ALGORITHM
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:50:45 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <1992Nov12.215004.1652@msus1.msus.edu> radenski@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>Do you already know the last explanation of the word "algorithm"?
>
>Here it is:
>
> "an Al Gore rhythm is what Bill Clinton plays on the saxophone"
>
>David Harel sent  this definition to everybody from the mailing list
>THEORYNT. He said he had learned it from Fred Landman, a linguistic
>professor at Cornell.
>

He also sent it to rec.humor.funny...

XP|/|CTO


--
Christo Houbaviy [lihouba@dapsas.weizmann.ac.il]
Department of Molecular Genetics and Virology
The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: Posting in English
Reply-To: es182@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:11:22 GMT

What was that all about? (The posting on pseudobulgarian/pseudoenglish.)
Maybe the author would like to clarify.
From: pvgunm@pioneer.unm.edu (Peter V. Gadjokov)
Subject: Re: Posting in English
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:10:06 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

This thread seems to be degenerating into a bit of a flame war. Clearly most
of us agree that George Maveriks's posting was quite absurd. Much has been
said on the matter - I made the mistake of replying too. Someone pointed
out that all postings on that subject were done in English. That seems
reasonable to me as more people here understand English than Bulgarian and
thus using English made what was being said more widely understood. There was
maybe, the (probably vain) hope that George will read what poeple thought of
his suggestions too. In any event, there seems to be little point in dwelling
upon this subject any further - we should probably return to more interesting
topics.

Salutations,
      Peter V. Gadjokov.  pvgunm@pioneer.unm.edu
From: radenski@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: OBSERVATION (nablyudenie)
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:11:40 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Nov19.180459.20061@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il>, lihouba@dapsas1 (Christo Houbaviy) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.202923.1705@msus1.msus.edu> radenski@msus1.msus.edu writes:

... deleted...

> 
> [The posting that caused so many followups deleted.]
	(the one of G. Ivanov)
> 
>>>
>>
>>I read 15 postings following this one. Some of them were
>>critical follow-ups on the above posting, others were on Latin
>>representations of the Cyrilic alphabet etc. Amazingly:
>>
>>	1. There was not a single posting that agrees with
>>the above one.
>>
>>	2. Practically all follow-ups advocate posting in Bulgarian.
>>
>>	3. ALL POSTINGS THAT APPEARED AFTER THE ABOVE ONE, EVEN THOSE
>>UNRELATED TO IT, WERE IN ENGLISH.
>>
>>Interesting phenomenon, isn't it?
> 
> No. The original posting was in English and so the replies were naturally
> also in English. It is common practice to post in English to this
> newsgroup.

Yes. You forget "EVEN THOSE UNRELATED TO IT" (there were pretty many.) And 
a sequence of 15 postings only in English is not that typical for S.C.B.

> ... deleted... 

> BTW, if language and alphabet can not be separated, then why did you
> write your other article in Bugarian with Latin letters?
>

Try harder, I am certain you can get the point on your own.

... deleted ...

> --
> Christo Houbaviy [lihouba@dapsas.weizmann.ac.il]


Atanas Radenski


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: pvgunm@pioneer.unm.edu (Peter V. Gadjokov)
Subject: Re: Latin->Cyrillic map
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:04:43 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility
Distribution: soc.culture.bulgaria

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Latin->Cyrillic map
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility
Keywords: 

There have been several transliteration schemes proposals but apparently no
prgoress has been made on adopting a standard. A very intersting idea has
cropped up though - using lex to convert files from one scheme to another -
in this way, several acceptable mappings can be adopted (and included in the
faq) and the programmer types among us can write the appropriate filters.
This will not be the most covenient solution but it is easier to put in 
practice than attempting to force everyone into one mapping.

Once again, though, I would question the necessity of any standard. Does anyone
really have a serious problem inderstanding bulgarian postings? Understandably
not everything is perfectly clear at a first glance, whatever mapping is 
used but thats because the Roman alphabet is not suitable for Bulgarian - and
we must come to terms with this simple fact. No matter what mapping(s) is (are)
adopted, reading a posting will never be as easy as reading plain cyrillic 
text so all one can do is adapt to this slight inconvenience.

Peter V Gadjokov
pvgunm@pioneer.unm.edu
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: posting in English
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:53:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.005311.11738
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I hereby decree that anyone using this newsgroup MUST post in
ANY LANGUAGE YOU CHOOSE.  No exceptions to this rule will be
tolerated.
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Posting in English
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:53:09 GMT

From: givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace Maverick)

	Please, STOP posting articles in pseudo Bulgarian. We get a precious
few nonbulgarian readers of this newsgroup as it is. Pseudo Latin/pseudo
Bulgarian interpretations of the alphabet are annoying as hell!
If you don't know English, tough luck, cause then you don't deserve to use
 "the network"  in the first place.
	Either hack Pnews, so it will accept redefined variations of the
standard ASCII character set without spilling out garbage, or QUIT posting
gibberish!

Later.

Much later, I hope.  As one of the "precious few..." I find the use of
latin letters to write Bulgarian only slightly less disconcerting
than the use of Bulgarian at all.  If I want to read it, I can usually
manage about as well as I can using Cyrillic letters which my terminal
will not support in any event.  I would be astonished to learn that
a world-wide community such as the net included only persons fluent
in English. Why should non-English users be excluded?Do Bulgarian
language postings make the net a less useful resource?  Please, let
us have no more of this.

Al Moore
From: radenski@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: OBSERVATION (nablyudenie)
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:29:23 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In a well-commented article, givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu 
(George Ace Maverick) writes:

>
>	Please, STOP posting articles in pseudo Bulgarian. We get a precious
>few nonbulgarian readers of this newsgroup as it is. Pseudo Latin/pseudo
>Bulgarian interpretations of the alphabet are annoying as hell!
>If you don't know English, tough luck, cause then you don't deserve to use
> "the network"  in the first place.
>	Either hack Pnews, so it will accept redefined variations of the 
>standard ASCII character set without spilling out garbage, or QUIT posting
>gibberish!
>
>Later.
>

I read 15 postings following this one. Some of them were
critical follow-ups on the above posting, others were on Latin
representations of the Cyrilic alphabet etc. Amazingly:

	1. There was not a single posting that agrees with 
the above one.

	2. Practically all follow-ups advocate posting in Bulgarian.

	3. ALL POSTINGS THAT APPEARED AFTER THE ABOVE ONE, EVEN THOSE
UNRELATED TO IT, WERE IN ENGLISH.

Interesting phenomenon, isn't it? 

	Just curious: is there a Bulgarian who would write a regular mail
letter to his/her parents in Bulgarian but using the Latin alphabet?
I guess most parents would rather not hear from their children, than 
read Bulgarian in Latin. They are older people and they know that 
you cannot separate the language from the alphabet.

Regards,

Atanas Radenski
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Posting in English
From: lihouba@dapsas1 (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:48:02 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <97854@netnews.upenn.edu> givanov@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (George Ace Maverick) writes:
>
>	Please, STOP posting articles in pseudo Bulgarian. We get a precious
>few nonbulgarian readers of this newsgroup as it is. Pseudo Latin/pseudo
>Bulgarian interpretations of the alphabet are annoying as hell!

And we get a precious few Bulgarian netters who do not know English
well and provide very interesting postings. If you find postings in
Bulgarian annoying then just don't read them! I am sure that the
majority of the Bulgarian readers here have no problem with that.

Also hasn't it occurred to you that sometimes we just have to post in
Bulgarian (when we quote something for instance)?

Otherwise I agree that those who speak both Bulgarian and English
should try to post in English for the sake of the nonbulgarian readers
who might be interested.

>If you don't know English, tough luck, cause then you don't deserve to use
> "the network"  in the first place.

Hm, you seem to be quite an authority on netiquette. Perhaps you
should apply for a global moderator of the whole UseNet. Do you also
claim that those who do not know English are _biologically_ inferior
to those who do?

>	Either hack Pnews, so it will accept redefined variations of the
>standard ASCII character set without spilling out garbage, or QUIT posting
>gibberish!

In that case we ALL would have to hack the Pnews. I would like to
remind you that this is soc.culture.bulgaria and not alt.hackers.

>Later.

To paraphrase the old Bulgarian saying: Better never than later.

XP|/|CTO




--
Christo Houbaviy [lihouba@dapsas.weizmann.ac.il]
Department of Molecular Genetics and Virology
The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel
From: zlatev@an.isl.titech.ac.jp (Rossen Zlatev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: OBSERVATION (nablyudenie)
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:01:05 GMT
	<1ee153INNon2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Organization: Imaging Science and Engineering Lab., Tokyo Inst. of Tech., Japan
In-reply-to: sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU's message of 18 Nov 92 18:13:55 GMT

In article <1ee153INNon2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@helios.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin) writes:

>2) Bulgarians seem to have an obsession with Cyrillic over and above other
>   users, perhaps because they take credit for it's invention.  If fact,
>   if I had to guess from what I have seen in this group, the invention of
>   Cyrillic is the one thing of which Bulgarians are the most proud.
>
>Brian Sutin			

	I would say that we love it. I mean Cyrillic. Maybe the proudness
is coming from that love. And if a man knows a little bit from our history,
it is easy understandable why we love Cyrillic. Shortly and generally:
	1. Christianity and Cyrillic helped Bulgaria to became a country
with one religion, one writing system. Cyrillic helped to translate Bible
in understandable language for the ordinary people. It was in 9th century.
	2. Christianity and Cyrillic helped Bulgarians to survive the
Ottoman rule and to save nation's spirit. My persomal opinion is that there
are others reasons also, but this is different topic.

All the best: Rossen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria