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From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Semi-vegi diet
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:16:49 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization


If it's just iron and protein you're looking for, beans (eg, kidney
beans) have *much* more than (red) meat.

Just in case you didn't know,
--jen
B. Jennifer Zheng       Ride thy bike; run thy race.                        ||
Another century, another paradise.               ---  __~o      ~o          ||
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6/18 down, 18/2 to go!                          --- ( )/( )     / >         ||
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tbont@ep.ieee.org
Subject: Boston requirement
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:57:54 GMT

I'm writing on behalf of my girlfriend who just finished
the New York Marathon (her first) in 3:51. She's 27 years
old. Would anyone happen to know the Boston qualifying
time for a woman in her age group?

Thanks  a lot.
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, CFA general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:56:16 -0500 
From: Pomona Anupol Valero <penguin+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Glasses fogging up!!

In message <cpv1.720751663@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>, 
 cpv1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Curtis Paul Van Tassell) writes:
>I enjoy running outside, however, I have had a problem running when
>it is cool and/or wet.  My glasses tend to fog and I can't see
>where I'm going!!  This can be a problem sometimes :-)  Has anyone
>else had this problem and solved it?? or even heard any rumors?
>I'd rather not use contact lenses.  Thanks for any help.
>
>Curt

Hi there,

How about jogging over to your local ski shop?  They should have some
anti-fog gook that you may be looking for.  I bought and tried a cream
called, "Cat Crap" for my glasses once before I went skiing.  It
seemed to work, but since my vision isn't that bad and when I see
snow, I just want to hurry and start skiing, I totally ignore my
glasses and just wear my anti-fog goggles.

As for running, well, I don't like wearing my glasses when I run
either.  And fortunately, I don't run fast enough that I won't be able
to read street signs very far in advance to make a safe stop.  ;)

Good luck and happy running,
Pomona Valero
From: scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:11:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Exersize and calories burned
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.running

  I have heard another way to estimate the number of calories that a person
burns during exercise.  I heard it here.  The trouble is that I can't 
remember it exactly.  It's something like 0.8 calories per mile (traveled)
per pound (of runner's weight).  I think that it worked out to about 130 
calories per mile for me.  Does anyone remember the exact formula?

SC
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:46:44 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation


("Associated Press) Morris, Conn.- A man jogging near a reservoir was shot and
killed Wednesday by a hunter who told police he mistook the man for a deer.

Investigators have classified the shooting as an accident.  The jooger was on
a dirt road near at a reservoir near a state forest. Hunting is allowed in the
area, and the man who fired the shot was with a group of hunters."
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: ROAD RUNNER SPORTS - phone number needed
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:37:42 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Nov8.003953.19973@news.uiowa.edu>, haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman) writes:
> 
> I'm looking for the phone number for Road Runner Sports.  I
> used to have several of their catalogs, but they got lost
> in my latest move.  I also tried 1-800 directory assistance,
> but there is no toll free number.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  <----Not correct

Orders: 1-800-551-5558
Customer Service: 1-800-662-8896
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Subject: Re: Persistent Quadricep Muscle Soreness
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:54:50 GMT

Noakes is a good reference.  I have had similar dull aches in my quads
(on much lighter mileage, unfortunately).  Massage is good, if you can
afford it.  (Spouses or spousal approximations can be very reasonable.)
Stretching has become an important part of my running -- people differ,
but since turning 30 I am not able to keep running unless I am very
conscientious about stretching.  (I follow Noakes' recommendations on
stretching, too.)  Since six weeks off would pretty much crush your
marathon goals, I'd try cutting way back on the mileage, running on
grass, making sure your shoes are still good, getting more sleep,
stretching, getting even more sleep ... see how it goes.

Good luck.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 20:48:06 EST
From: <34YCX3S@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Clubs in Chicago

I will be starting a new job in the Chicago area and I am interested in
running clubs that exist there.  I will be living in Wheaton until the first
of the year, but will probably not be far from there when I do move.  My job
is in Downers Grove.  I will be looking for people to run with.  I run
approximately 55 to 60 miles a week with a long run of 15 to 18 miles at a
7:00 minute pace average, and do some sort of speed or pace session once a
week.  Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.  Kevin E. Gross
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 4 doctor's advice
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:08:20 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

>     My name is Beth Purcell and I've been running since the
>age of ten.  I currently run for the University of Virginia.
>My problem is that I have been getting pounding headaches when
>I run.  This has been going on since the summer.  I've gone
>from running 5 minute miles to barely being able to run a 7
>minute mile.  I've been to countless doctors and they have
>found no evidence of a serious problem.  I've had a MRI
>performed and that showed no major abnormalties.  Even though
>nothing has been found, the doctors recommend that I stop
>running.  I'm really upset about this and refuse to give up
>running without some further inquiries.  If anyone that reads
>this has heard of a similiar condition or has any suggestions
>for me, please respond.  I'm going crazy not being able to
>run.

I suppose everyone thought of this, but I might as well pass
it along.... I get pounding headaches when I get dehydrated.
I suppose this would go away anytime you ran fully hydrated,
so it seems you would have noticed it if this was the culprit.
I wonder if the problem persists during non-pounding types of
excercize, such as bicycling?  Whatever the cause, good luck
getting it wrestled to the ground.... even if it looks like
you'll blow me away if I ever have to run in a race with you...
at least I hope so!

Mark (the perfect biathalon is a 1/50/1) Hickey
From: jpringle@den.mmc.com (James E. Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Experience with Foot Pain
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:44:44 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Originator: jpringle@everest


I am looking for info from anyone who has had experience
with a condition called "Subluxed Cuboid Syndrome".  As
I understand it, this condition is caused by the dislocation
of the cuboid bone in the foot.  What I am interested in
hearing is the causes and cures for this condition.  

I have had excessive foot pain that seems to radiate from 
the heel area forward to the plantar facia and upward 
to the ankle.  When I try to stand after a nights sleep, 
the worst pain seems to be just behind the metatarsal bone
on the outer side of the foot, and the ankle feels as if
it is sprained.  But as the day goes on, the ankle feels 
better, but the heel pain gets worse.

Unfortunately, my HMO does not cover podiatry or chiropractic,
so I am interested in any home remedies you folks might have.

Thanks,


-- 
Jim Pringle                                          - o
jpringle@whitney.den.mmc.com            -  __o      - <|\          zzz
TRAIN HARD !                           - _ \<_     -  /\     |________o|
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 09:26:03 EST
From: <IO10644@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running in Winter
 <1992Nov5.213317.22568@afit.af.mil>


>...........My problem is my hands are cold to start, and I can't stand
>the heat after a couple of miles, so they always come off.  In a race,
>if I don't want to carry them I can dump them and if I can't find them
>later I'm not out much.

WOW!

DUMP YOUR HANDS AND YOU'RE NOT OUT MUCH????

Jeeze, I always thought that runners were tough but--as we say in
England--this really takes the biscuit. :-)

Giles.

P.S.  I'm sorry, I'm teaching ENG 101 and it makes you notice this stuff...
especially when you'd rather be running.
From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Subject: Re: RE: doctor's advice
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.013014.23903@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, mep2y@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Mary Elizabeth Purcell) writes:
|>      My name is Beth Purcell and I've been running since the
|> age of ten.  I currently run for the University of Virginia.
|> My problem is that I have been getting pounding headaches when
|> 
|>                                              Beth Purcell
|> 
|> mep2y@uva386.schools.virginia.edu
 
Beth,
 
Have you investigated the mental side. Running many years, and the stress of 
serious racing could cause mental rebellion. 

Also lack of vitamins, iron, etc. Or too much of some suppliment. Either
can cause problems.

I had a ~year when I just didn't have any speed. After trying all sorts
of schedule changes, I finally decided I was low on iron. Still it was
a guess. PS I didn't have headaches as part of the problem.

Good luck,
Ray Mascia
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: Flat Footed Runner
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:58:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Gregory C. Sheppard (au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
:  Also, I've been "walking" around for a couple of days in my running
: shoes because they now have inserts and I'm hoping the cushion will help
: my ankles to heal.  Does anyone have ideas on why or why not it would be
: good to use one's running shoes as walking shoes in between runs?
: Should I avoid this or is it "ok"?

I found that my running shoes lasted much longer (for running) if I use them
only for running. I use a recently retired pair of shoes for walking/hanging
out in. I usually retire a pair after about 500 miles/5 months.

cheers,
scott
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ahenden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arne A Henden)
Subject: Chicago Marathon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:41:18 GMT


This is really from janes@ecn.purdue.edu Mon Nov  2 19:07:26 1992

Response to request for info on Chicago Marathon '92

Facts (largely) from Chicago Tribune -- 10/26/92 -- observations
from personal experience.

Date/Time: 10/25/92, 8:30 am CST
Weather: 45-50, sunny, light to moderate wind (guess: SE @10 mph)
Number of Runners: 8,000 (advertised)
Course: (same as '90 and '91)
        start:  Daley Plaza
        0-2 miles: north (sheltered)
        2-10 miles: south and west (largely sheltered)
        10-12 miles: east
        12-20 miles: north (Lakeshore Drive)
        20-25.5 miles: south (Lakeshore Drive)  Wind was noticeable here!!!
        25.5-26.2: west and north to finish in Grant Park

Top finishers:
Men
1. Jose Cesar de Souza, Brazil, 2:16:14
2. Igor Braslawsky, Ukraine, 2:17:30
3. Eddy Hellybuyck, Belgium, 2:17:55
4. Thomas O'Gara, Ireland, 2:18:05
5. Thomasz Gnabel, Poland, 2:18:18
6. Roy Dooney, Ireland, 2:18:49
7. Terefe Makonnen, Ethiopia, 2:20:28
8. Tadeusz Lawicki, Poland, 2:20:28
9. Visa Orttenvuori, Finland, 2:20:39
10. Kassa Baicha, Ethiopia, 2:21: 47
11. Genaro Tavares Ortiz, Mexico, 2:22:51
12. Hristo Gueorguiev, Bulgaria, 2:23:30
13. Steve Fader, Cincinnati, 2:25:00
14. Rene Sepulveda, Norman, OK, 2:26:26
15. Dennis Griffen, Elkhart, IN, 2:26:35

Women
1. Linda Somers, Plesant Hill, CA, 2:37:41
2. Gail Hall, Bothell, WA, 2:39:38
3. Kirsi Valasti, Finland, 2:40:32
4. Ursula Noctor, Ireland, 2:41:52
5. Emma Cabrera, Mexico, 2:45:36
6. Betsy Schmid, Chapel Hill, NC, 2:46:49
7. Catriona Dowling, Lincoln, NB, 2:50:24
8. Renata Sitek, Austria, 2:52:14
9. Sandra Natal, Brooklyn, 2:57:09
10. Melanie Murray, San Francisco, 2:57:25
11. Sherry Case, Minneapolis, 2:57:49
12. Liliana Mendoza, Columbia, 2:58:39
13. Jennifer Tenbraak, Johnston, Iowa, 2:59:37
14. Laura Kennedy, Evanston, 3:00:13
15. Hopey Newkirk, Mt. Sterling, KY, 3:02:52


Summary from Tribune: de Souza (29) is previous winner of Madrid Marathon
('90 and '91 -- strained knee forced him out in '92).  Hellybuyck was
rabbit, but stayed in race and finished 3rd.  de Souza and Hellybuyck
had 1:21 lead on pack at 10 miles.  de Souza pulled away at 15 miles
mark and ran alone to finish.  Slowest winning time since '81.

Somers was last minute entrant -- scratched from Columbus Marathon due
to virus.  Ran away from pack early.   Her 6th marathon and 1st victory.
She is 31-year old attorney.  Hall was "expected front- runner".

Personal Note: I finished in 2:50:51, 119th in men.  This is 5 minutes
   slower than my PR, but this is mainly due to a very sore quad for
   last half -- weather and course were nearly ideal.  Slow winning times
   were largely due to field, not course.  A pretty well organized race. 

____________________________________
David Janes
Purdue University
janes@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: minow@apple.com (Martin Minow)
Subject: Re: New York Marathon accident?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:47:53 GMT
Organization: Macintosh Developer Services
Followup-To: rec.running


Was there any further followup in the newspapers on the two problems at
New York (the "false start" and the blockage of the 3rd place finisher),
for example, by Joe Concannon of the Boston Globe?

Both problems have occurred in other races (for example, the duel between
Salazar and Durden at Boston in, umm, 1982 or thereabouts when Durden was
blocked off by a gaggle of motorcycle policemen "accompaning" Salazar to
the finish).  New York has a horrible logistical problem due to the size
of the field and the three-level start.

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Flat Footed Runner
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:33:29 GMT

> Does anyone have ideas on why or why not it would be
>good to use one's running shoes as walking shoes in between runs?
>Should I avoid this or is it "ok"?

Most of the books recommend that you not use your current running shoes as
daily wear shoes.  This is because the mid-sole becomes crushed and requires
time between runs to regain its cushioning.  Could be true.  Most of us runners
have between 1 and 15 old pairs of running shoes in the closet that have lost
too much cushioning to use for running but are still find for regular wear.  So,
there is really no need to risk wearing your current running shoes for anything
but running.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson)
Subject: Re: Running in Winter
Reply-To: nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:34:47 GMT

In article <1d9ksdINNsqp@agate.berkeley.edu>  
cah@mycenae.cchem.Berkeley.EDU (Charlie A. Henze) writes:
> In article <31OCT92.14901443.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, BFRS@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA  
(BFRS) writes:
> 
> Cotton gloves are all that are needed.  Anything heavier is just 
> more to carry when you take them off the hands.
> 

Being a New Englander all my life, I would make another suggestion on the  
gloves.  I think that the best glove choice is Gore-tex.  While I am not  
able to afford any other form of Gore-tex running gear, the gloves are  
reasonably cheap, really warm, and breathe enough to prevent clammy hands.   
Wet cotton gloves can turn your hands into icicles especially if your  
running into the wind, etc.
From: aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: ISO FAQ
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:52:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903

I would appreciate it if someone could either: (1) post the FAQ
list relevant to this newsgroup, or (2) mail me the address of a
site where I could ftp it from.

Asim Jalis.
From: mep2y@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Mary Elizabeth Purcell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: XC Conference results
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:34:21 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In the Alantic Coast Conference N.C. State won both men's and
women's titles.  Claire Forbes from the University of Virginia
won the women's individual crown, while Andre Williams from the
University of North Carolina claimed the men's title.
From: paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com (paul sakalauskas)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: shin splints - what are t
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:38:33 GMT
Reply-To: "paul sakalauskas" <paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Shin splints are a pain. To get rid of them what I have done in the past
is do exerciseswith you feet off the ground. Use a weight around your
foot and lift your foot up and down. This strengthens the area which is
creating the pain. This helped me when I had them.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Flat Footed Runner
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:54:27 GMT
Reply-To: au468@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory C. Sheppard)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lbrodie@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Les Brodie) says:

>You did not say how often and how far you are running.  Perhaps you
>have an overuse injury.  

 It very well could be overuse.  I have a tendency to run hard (at least
for my stage of development).  Was doing 3-4 miles a day mostly on a
dirt/gravel trail with an occasional three mile asphalt run and
one day off per week.
 A lot of friends have said run every other day.  Go slower.  Ride a
bike.  All good advice.

>You may want to check out a good running book like Galloway's.  

 Definitely going to look for it.

>Try to ramp up very slowly when your aches and pains subside.  

 Will do.  Plan to try REAL slow easy jogs for a week or two.
I'll say this is a very intense learning experience for me...listening
to the body, struggling to keep my running goals in realistic check.
I'd like to thank all on the net who have taken the time to offer advice
to this novice.  Belive me, I appreciate it.
-- 
Greg Sheppard
Internet : imop@wa-ngnet.army.mil
From: jcardow@afit.af.mil (James E. Cardow)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running in Winter
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:33:17 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

nord@monitor.com (Nord Samuelson) writes:

>In article <1d9ksdINNsqp@agate.berkeley.edu>  
>cah@mycenae.cchem.Berkeley.EDU (Charlie A. Henze) writes:
>> In article <31OCT92.14901443.0060@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, BFRS@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA  
>(BFRS) writes:
>> 
>> Cotton gloves are all that are needed.  Anything heavier is just 
>> more to carry when you take them off the hands.
>> 

>Being a New Englander all my life, I would make another suggestion on the  
>gloves.  I think that the best glove choice is Gore-tex.  While I am not  
>able to afford any other form of Gore-tex running gear, the gloves are  
>reasonably cheap, really warm, and breathe enough to prevent clammy hands.   
>Wet cotton gloves can turn your hands into icicles especially if your  
>running into the wind, etc.

I don't know if this suggestion has already been made, but I prefer the
cheap yard gloves from the hardware store (usually around $0.88).  They
are either cotton or some kind of jersey material.  They keep my hands
warm early in a run when I need them and I don't care if I lose them
later on.  My problem is my hands are cold to start, and I can't stand
the heat after a couple of miles, so they always come off.  In a race,
if I don't want to carry them I can dump them and if I can't find them
later I'm not out much.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jch@jargon.whoi.edu (Jon Howland)
Subject: Re: More Running in Winter: Breathing
Reply-To: jch@jargon.whoi.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:25:51 GMT

The best reason I've heard for "burning" lungs during or after winter
running (in 20 years of doing it) is this:  Cold air is very dry, due
to its inability to hold any moisture at all.  When you breath it, it
gets immediately warmed up before it hits your throat and lungs.  Now
it can hold lots of water--and its in a very moist environment.  So it
sucks up a lot of that water.  The result is dried out breathing
equipment.  It makes some sense to me.  The bad part of it is that
there's no real good answer to how to fix it.
 
---
              Jonathan Howland, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution  (WHOI DSL)
              Woods Hole, MA 02543 "jch@jargon.whoi.edu" (508)457-2000x2653


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bdewey@grok116.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bob Dewey)
Subject: Re: ROAD RUNNER SPORTS - phone number needed
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:11:30 GMT

In article <854@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.003953.19973@news.uiowa.edu>, haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu (Jeff Haferman) writes:
>> 
>> I'm looking for the phone number for Road Runner Sports.  I
>> used to have several of their catalogs, but they got lost
>> in my latest move.  I also tried 1-800 directory assistance,
>> but there is no toll free number.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  <----Not correct
I think that you will find that the 1-800 directory services are like the
yellow pages.  The firm has to pay a fee to be listed.  Not all, or for
that matter very few of the 800 numbers are in the directory.

>
>Orders: 1-800-551-5558
>Customer Service: 1-800-662-8896
>-- 
>  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
>                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  


-- 
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