From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "Zeleny"s Armenian friend.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:21:04 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <1993Jan10.170800.19167@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

>>>B.C.E.  To cite an Armenian friend of mine, at the time our ancestors
>>>built their temples, the ancestors of the Slavs were sitting in the
>>>trees, and spitting at each other.  Of course, he said it in Russian.

>>It boggles the mind, doesn't it? 

>Not really.  I believe that the only reason he did not say the same
>thing about the ancestors of the Turks, is because they had descended
>from the trees, if only to cornhole each other.  I refer the literate
>members (ho hum) of my audience to T.E.Lawrence's account of the
>preponderance of anal venereal infections among the captured Turkish
>soldiers.

And one quick glance confirmed my worst expectations. The small creature
is alive and looks for adventure. Your anti-Turkish propaganda is nothing 
but the typical misleading and unending Armenian cry bent upon the immense 
of little boys trying to wear boots too large for their size.

Hellenistic monarchs of the Byzantium Empire knew Armenians better
than anyone today. Justinian (527-565) concluded that the fastest
way to solve the Armenian problem was to be in two stages: (a) In
times of peace he ordered Armenian males to work at mines and
quarries; (b) at times of war he ordered Armenians to the front
to take the brunt of onslaught.

The Roman poet Petroni's definition of an Armenian is: 

"Armenians too are human beings, but at home they walk on their
 fours."

The Russian poet Lermantof's definition has yet another approach:

"You are a slave, and a coward. You are an Armenian."

Referring to notes from the personal diary of Russian General
L. Odishe Liyetze on the Turkish front, he wrote,

"On the nights 11-12 March, 1918 alone Armenian butchers 
 bayoneted and axed to death 3000 Muslims in areas surrounding
 Erzincan. These barbars threw their victims into pits, most
 likely dug according to their sinister plans to extinguish 
 Muslims, in groups of 80. My adjutant counted and unearthed
 200 such pits. This is an act against our world of civilization."

On March 12, 1918 Lieut-colonel Griyaznof wrote (from an official
Russian account of the Turkish genocide),

"Roads leading to villages were littered with bayoneted torsos,
 dismembered joints and carved out organs of Muslim peasants...
 alas! mainly of women and children."

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). 
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 
 million Muslim people)

p. 133 (first paragraph)

"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
 had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
 abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
 these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
 brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
 mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
 employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
 crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."

p. 19 (first paragraph)

"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of
 ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same 
 fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."

Poor "Zeleny".

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)


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