HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: vikki here for the first time,
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:11:25 GMT


 
 Hullo Vikki...
 
 >Hello there everyone. I'm sick of just reading your articles
 >and not replying so here i am.
 
 Here you are...I'm so glad you made it.
 
 >I, too have seen  the photos Joe Woodhouse was sent, in fact
 >I think every person in Melbourne has seen them. Joe stops
 >people on the corners and says "hey look at my beautiful photos."
 >I must admit they are quite cute especially that one of Mike.
 >Hmm. I'll be in the US sometime next year!!!!!
 
 Harumph! I never get photos...well, yes I do. Ok, I lied.
 
 >Well i don't have much else to say. Except maybe some one could
 >give me some advice. I'm fucking this gut at the present time
 >but i'm a bit worried about his PCness shall we say. He isn't
 >political at all and has no social consciousness. It kinds of
 >worries me a bit to be giving my energy to this guy. Should I
 >just fuck him and enjoy it or should i only give my energy to
 >people that i beleive in. You know those with a consciousness???
 
 Vikki, the answer is simplicity itself: Does it feel good?
 Would'nt you much rather, honestly, have really groovy, cosmic
 sex with someone asocial than wet-noodle sex with Mr. or Ms.
 Correct? One has to draw a line somewhere, preferably a thin
 one from the navel to inner thigh with chocolate syrup, don't
 you think?
 
 >Gotta go Bye.
 
 Be good...never mind. ;)
 
 
(Mind you, cashew butter might work also, but keep that damned Vegemite
 away from me! ;) )
From: adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:17:47 GMT


*pop!*  ...another muffin appears.

Hello everyone.  I've been lurking here for quite a while, but since I'm
about to temporarily leave Edinburgh and pop up in the Bay Area I
thought I'd stick my head above the parapet to see if anyone
wanted to meet up while I was over there.

If so, please e-mail to  adc@threeL.co.uk  (my newsfeed is erratic at
present).  I'll be around Santa Clara/San Jose 9-18 October.

P.S., for those who were at Dave Berry's Edinburgh party, I was the one
with the longish dark hair, pink dungarees and a vague, happy look...

Alan
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Boy Scouts and United Way
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:00:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <19q70aINNid@smaug.West.Sun.COM> lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton) writes:
+This doesn't pertain to Boy Scouts, but it does pertain to Girl Scouts.  Does
+anyone know the GSA's stand on LGB?  My daughter came home with a 
+recruitment flyer from them and before I get her hopes up I'd like to get
+this info. (BTW, the meeting is tomorrow evening.)

Don't bet on a positive attitude. My daughter was asked to leave a
troup after a conversation involving heterosexual activities which
'distrubed' some of the other girls.

I think the major disruption was with the leaders rather than the
girls. My wife was a leader and would have handled the 'sex talk'
quite abit differently. I presumed, but never investigated the
issue, that the leaders were of a more religious persuasion than our
family and so my daughters knowledge of the 'world' exceeded the
leaders expectations from an 11 year old (more religious could be
'has attended a christian church service in the last 13 years, I think
the wedding was the last').

After this incident I pondered the total lack in the US of a
cultural basis for sex. The schools are encouraged not to mention
anything, including hetersexual mechanics; anything homosexual
positive or even neutral is denounced. Where on earth would someone
'learn' about sexual activities, except by trial and mostly error.
The leaders of my daughter's group said that sex was not an appropriate
topic of conversation. Well, if it was gossip then maybe but why
didn't they encourage a 'healthy' conversation about sex, unless
they were either unwilling, or incapable or both, themselves.

I also presume that the leaders thought that girls at 11 didn't have
any 'interrest' in sex. So to them the conversation had no place by
that fact alone.

But now that my daughter is 12 she's decided that girl scouts are
for 'younger' girls. Now its going to football games at the local
highschool. Well, I hope she's gotten her karate down.

-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: wadlow@bela.music.washington.edu (John Wadlow)
Subject: HUGS
Reply-To: jwad@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:28:52 GMT


Just thought I give a *hug* to all of you :)
Have nothing much to say other than I'm happy. 

Gee, isn't that just sweet!
--
                     ____
                     \bi/     | I just close my eyes and I dream about...
john a wadlow         \/      | pretty boys and pretty girls.
jwad@milton.u.washington.edu  |    - Book of Love
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Blueberry Demuffinings.
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:55:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

*Blueberry* Demuffining?  My favourite flavour.  I usually consume a blueberry
muffin, daily, at 10 a.m.  When I eat one today, I'll think of you.

>  I am Bi, there is no doubt as to that fact,
>however... There have been times, whether it be on the computer, or in every
>day life when someone, male or female, finds I am Bi and makes an advance.
>It usually leaves me in a bit of a quandry.  The fact is, while I do _enjoy_
>being with either sex, I am _not_ attracted to everyone, no matter what the
>sex.  The problem then lies with these people when one of two situations
>occur:
> One, they doubt my professed sexuality.  Namely, if I do not perform, I
>am not what I say.
> Two, ever had someone who doesn't take a hint and won't take no for an
>answer?
>
I'm sure that you're not alone.  When I attempted to avoid the advances of
woman last Fall, I was accused of being "just plain gay" by another colleague
(in a deptartment meeting, even!), and I've also been accused of being
"straight" by a gay man.  But what can you do?  I suspect that these
accusations reflect others' insecurities, or, at least, their inability to
deal with the fact that I didn't find them attractive (for whatever reason) or
that I didn't quite live up to the "Myth of the Bisexual."  The trick is, I
suppose, not to let other people's attempts at labelling affect one's own
self-identification.

> So, <Hugs!> to you all, and come what may.
<Hugs> back!
>
>-Jonah

Simon.
-- 

***************************************************************************
* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
***************************************************************************
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: So, you're straight... so far.  (was Re: Why are you straight?)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:15:17 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct1.005141.19572@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:
->
->   Part of the point of this whole exercise was not to get answers, but
->to get people to realize that asking this question is both foolish and
->futile, no matter what your orientation.  

Umm, I beg to disagree ... it is _not_ foolish, or futile ... 
I know that from personal experience, Elf.  You know that.

->Very few people can tell you
->*why* they are heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual.

Oh, very easy ... I'm bi because I can be :)

-- 
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Roy S. Rapoport    rsr@soda.berkeley.edu  anonymus+328@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
               It's a great day to be a bisexual pervert.
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Reply-To: orc@pell.chi.il.us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.221227.9227@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> nedervol@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Eric Nedervold) writes:
[about anger, and the expression thereof]

|In moving from California (where a much more Mediterranean approach to
|emotions and their free expression is common) to Wisconsin (where a
|much more Northern European and Lutheran approach to suppression of
|emotions is common), I've found that I have a hell of a time getting
|people to be direct with me about their anger.

   Depends on which Wisconsinites you talk to.  This particular born and
bred Wisconsinite (Born in Milwaukee, raised in LaCrosse) has a somewhat
less than suppressed emotional background.  Perhaps it depends on which
part of the state you're from; Madison, at least the university, seems
a lot more repressed than the area of the state I grew up in.

  It's always seemed to me the other way around; Californians spend so
much time in a low-level tizzy that they have trouble getting the energy
to develop a noticable rage.  I think it's the hot tubs, myself :-)

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ The man with no email address.
		 \/
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Nigel's resume
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:27:13 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

Thanks for the good wishes from many many people - I hope I replied
to everyone.  Since I'm mostly recovered (due to all that great support),
I've decided to bounce back fast.  My resume is in ont.jobs (I've
limited this to Ontario).  If you think you might know someone who maybe
knows of something somewhere, let them have a copy of my resume please.

It's neither copyrighted or copylefted.

Thanks
N.


--
 "If somebody feels really good about who they are, they don't
  feel threatened by what other people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
Nigel Burnett:  business: 3030 Orlando Dr., Mississauga, Ont.,  416-672-2100
Send e-mail to nigel@isgtec.com, uunet.ca!isgtec!nigel, or nigel@isgtec.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:47:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.021503.519@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
|[Regarding ABBA, and, tangentally, Erasure]
|Now you can't get much more queer-positive than
|erasure (ignoring 2 Nice Girls, who Mike *badly* needs fresh
|copies of), [...]

    *Badly* needs fresh copies of?  Good Lord, Mike, you only made
those copies (umm) two and a half months ago!  That's worse than me
wearing the oxide off my copies of _Party Mix_ and _Wild Planet_,
in the days before G-d smiled down upon the world and put them on
CD (In case you're wondering, _Chloe like Olivia_ (Two Nice Girls)
and _Party Mix_ (B-52's) are the reason why music was created, and
yes, I've got both of them on vinyl too (no turntable yet, but soon))

    I'll be in San Francisco this weekend (briefly), and I hear that
you will be too.  Wanna get together - I'll loan you my CD's if you'll
loan me your virtue....

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ "Mommy, what's a wannafuck?"
		  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:04:03 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA
Distribution: soc.bi

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) said...
>(Parenthetically, I wonder what the 'moral' status of incorporating real
>people into sexual fantasy without obtaining their consent is.  Or have
>I just caught the Ciaranoid introspectivity?)

Oh dear, if i had to obtain permission from my fantasy inhabitants...

Actually, though, it sounds like a sly (though rather stuffy, the way
i've worded it) way to express an interest in someone: "Excuse me,
you've been appearing quite a bit in my sexual fantasies lately.  Since
i feel that it's important to obtain permission for such things, we
haven't actually done anything in my fantasies.  But i would like to,
if you would only consent.  If you wish, we can discuss the extent of
fantasy activity you are comfortable engaging in."

:^)
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: It's not fair
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:17:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: concave.vashti.718352260
Organization: None worth speaking about

On Saturday the local Lesbian and Gay Pride March takes place (They
haven't invented bisexuals here yet). I'm not out locally (except to my
SO who is reading over my shoulder and to Mike, who is not local but
deserves a mention for lending an e-ear) and I have never explicitly
expressed my sexuality on this group so here goes: I am bisexual (it
feels good to say that).

Anyway back to the march---I wasn't sure if I was going to take part
because I really don't know what the reaction to bisexuals will be, I
don't know any others, and I really can't be a soc.bi contingent of
one. So I was going to watch, see if I wasn't alone. But I'm writing
the $#*&^ GRE on Saturday and what is even worse, the assembly point
for the march is on campus where I am writing the stupid thing. It's
not fair. <whinge> <complain> There is a carnival afterwards but its
not the same <sulk>.

So much for that and apologies for the tantrum. Hugs to all

Vashti (who still hasn't done those proofs and who has an SO who thinks
he loves her [In fact he says he's almost certain (but he says that
these comments make him sound really terrible [but he isn't])])
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Vashti Galpin                      vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za
Department of Computer Science, University of the Witwatersrand
2050 Wits, South Africa.  Tel 27(11)716-3295 Fax 27(11)403-1926
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:45:19 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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In article <1992Oct4.133147.11002@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>I'm like to pursue the question of what are the "natural habitats"
>of bisexuals in today's society -- spaces that are bi-friendly or
>tolerant enough to encourage bis to be visible.
>
> - Neo-pagan circles
> - Sci-fi fandom
> - The polyamorous, "swingers"
> - FurryMUCK 

One that is becoming more so is the Unitarian-Universalist church.  Many
congregations are open and accepting of Lesbians and Gays, and more of
the Bi's are discovering it.  I certainly know that at my UU church, I
wind up being the "bi" in both the Pink Triangles chapter and the CUUPs
(neo-pagan) chapter. :-)

I am, also, on Furry :-)

			(Red)Wolfe
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC         [use the maps!]
UUCP: ...duke!wolves!wolfe                            <Standard disclaimers>
Domain: wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us   wolfe%wolves@cs.duke.edu
    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:14:39 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1anlfuINNgg1@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
> As a rather avid furry person, whose character is bi (AND (!) a
> gendershifter), I'm going to have to _way_ second that comment ... Furry is
> so bi-positive it's not even funny ... I think I can count the number of
> people I know there and who are monos on the fingers of three hands (any
> volunteers for a helping hand?) ... 

 Oh, there's a fair few straight/monosexual people on there -- either playing
that when they're not necessarily such thselves, or just straight playing
straight (or mono playing mono). Granted, there are people who feel it
necessary to wear badges pointing out their straightness, but, whilst Furry is
bi-positive, it's basically a result of it just being very tolerant of
everything, really.
                                         
> Furry has been a rather cool influence on me ..

 Oh, definitely -- I discovered I was bi /through/ Furry, and for that if
nothing else I'll be grateful for it's existance; but the point is that it's a
*furry* MUCK; bi-friendliness is just a spinoff from that. (qv furry => bi
argument, which seems remarkably unfounded to me -- I was furry before I (knew
I) was bi, and the fact I'm now both is merely a coincidence, as far as I can
tell.

 It /is/ a fun place, though.. <grin>
 
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:21:01 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <rhialto.004g@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert) writes:
>In article <10840@scott.ed.ac.uk>,
>	bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>
>>*You* are telling me..... I have nothing against ABBA/Erasure per se,
>>but A whole evening...? Eeek! Give me some nice jangly Indie stuff
>>anyday....
>
>When I hear Abba in a GL disco here, it's a major relief! All the rest
>of the time they play house...
>
I wonder how all this correlates to the resurgence of ABBA's popularity
at the moment?  Wandering around record stores looking for the new Peter
Gabriel album, I find that quietly tucked away on the shelves, and all
the big advertising is for "ABBA Gold".  Is the GL "scene" setting the
trend for the population in general?  Why is the only ABBA fan I know
determinedly straight, much to the annoyance of at least two people I
know?  Why can't we celebrate musical as well as sexual diversity?

(Tongue in cheek -- my own, of course....)


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
                              | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy)
Subject: So quickly another posting....
Summary: Hi!....
Keywords: Who were you??
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:13:59 GMT

Very soon after I posted my last article, somebody requested a "talk" 
with me but my terminal got all weird [grin] and I lost the name & 
address.....

If you'd like, you can email me your address or try again....

Sorry, all........ I *had* to make contact, though....

Dawn

And, no, I have no .sig file....and my opinions are certainly
not loved by my college, either, I'm sure.... (not that I'd
tell them....[grin])
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:21:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep26.081716.10956@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
+
+"The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
+from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
+the time I was coming out as gay/bi.

Probably from that funny fellow, or his student, who supposedly slept the
night away without ravaging his lust object, and gave the western
world a botched form of love.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.081716.10956@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>"The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
>from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
>the time I was coming out as gay/bi.

Hmm.  There is a difference between examining one's feelings, emotions
and behaviour in order to accept them, and saying "I have sexual preference
X because...".  I've often found that I can only be happy after extended
self-analysis... but about things that have rational forces acting on them!
(This, of course, is debatable).  I can't tell anyone that I have a certain
preference for any reason other than because I do.

Famous quote:
"Too much self-analysis turns things into things they're not"
--- my girlfriend, after I spoke to her about this very thread! :)




--
Yvette Lian
yal@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or s315948@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (student account)
FIDO: 3:640/352 
IRC nick: Maxine2
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Wow
Date: 5 Oct 1992 01:19:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <BvCG33.I35@news.udel.edu> jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll) writes:
->(BTW, I've been described as extremely huggable, so you can use me for
->practice. <wink> <flirt> <wink>)
->
->*hugs*

*grin* *flirt*

So ... visiting the left coast anytime soon? *smile*

*hugs* to ya!

-- 
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Roy S. Rapoport         rsr@soda.berkeley.edu          bi-bdsm@ocf.berkeley.edu
          Aren't you glad you're bi? Don't you wish everyone else was?
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
From: s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: vikki here for the first time,
Summary: My first posting
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:53:59 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au


 Hello there everyone. I'm sick of just reading your articles and not replying so here iam. 
I, too have seen  the photos Joe Woodhouse was sent, in fact I think every person in Melbourne has seen them. Joe stops people on the corners and says "hey look at my beautiful photos." I must admit they are quite cute especially that one of Mike. Hmm. I'll be in the US sometime next year!!!!!

I met JOe over this here e-mail thingy and have been out with him a couple of times and he is a very nice guy. So rest assured Coe and Jennifer you're not getting an axe murde


Well i don't have much else to say. Except maybe some one could give me some advice. I'm fucking this gut at the present time but i'm a bit worried about his PC ness shall we say. He isn't political at all and has no social consciousness. It kinds of worries me a bit to be giving my energy to this guy. Should I just fuck him and enjoy it or should i only give my energy to people that i beleive in. You know those with a consciousness??? Gotta go Bye.
From: gtoal@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Peter, where are you? (fflynn, that is)
Date: 3 Oct 92 11:40:17 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.


Peter, you haven't posted for ages so I can't find your address.

I'd forgotten Phil had co-opted me for the UKTug committee - he
reminded me yesterday.  See you at the AGM in Brum?  Also, where's
your TLA dictionary? - I could use a copy for a project I'm
working on (pretty please?).

G
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sundermm@columbia.dsu.edu (MARC SUNDERMEYER)
Subject: Re: *grin*
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:15:04 GMT

>*Grin* *grin* *grin* *giggle* *BLUSH*.
>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-).

>Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
>*beam*

>Eleanor
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So Eleanor, What happened last night, was something interesting to a guy?