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From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Just asking...
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:11:45 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <1992Apr11.021136.4961@ac.dal.ca> hartigan@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>
>
>What is love?

Love is holding no malice toward those who wrong you.

Love is paying back good to those who do evil to you.

Love is releasing bitterness toward a person who has hurt you and forgiving
them from the heart.

Love is being patient with those who try you.  Love is not being easily
angered.

Love is caring for those who not only love you but those who do not love
you.

Love is valuing another above oneself.

Love is sacrificing one's desires for the good of another.

Love is holding up a committment made to another even when it may be
difficult.

Love is walking in kindness as a lifestyle.

Love is not judging anothers motives but assuming the best about them
or in other words giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Love is laying down one's life for another.

Love is not talking about someone behind their back even when you know
they would never know.

Love is "other-centered" and not "self-centered".

Love is not being proud or boasting in one's accomplishments but rather
building up others.

Love is sharing material resources with those who have less.

Love is looking past anothers shortcommings and living in the hope
that they may change for the better.

Love is persevering.  When emotional feelings of love dwindle, true
love keeps on going and accepting.


A famous verse about love:

"Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast,
 it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not
 easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight
 in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always
 trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  Love never fails."
						(1 Corinthians 13:4-7)


God is love.  All these manifestations of love describe His character:

God is patient, God is kind.  God does not envy, boast, nor is proud.
He is not rude, always seeks after our good; He is not easily angered
and gives us the way for our sins to be forgiven.  He does not delight
in evil, but rejoices in the truth.  God always protects, trusts, hopes,
perseveres.  God never fails.  God is love!

The greatest love manifested was when an innocent person gave up his
life on a cross.  His name is...Jesus.

In His Love,

John
emery@tc.fluke.COM
From: MADDOG@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard E. Maddocks)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Emery as an irritant
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:43:16 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I got something from Emery's postings. I took what I needed and left the rest.
Why should I judge him? Does he judge ME? It doesn't matter. The answers lie
within me, and within all of us. Emery provides ideas. He does NOT provide
absolute truth.

You may wish to examine your own ideas on TOLERANCE, and in so doing, you may
discover that NO idea is right or wrong. What is right for you, is indeed
RIGHT. Emery is on his own path, his own journey. YOU obviously wish to follow
yours. You have a right to.

So does Emery.
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From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: where best air in U.S.?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:54:35 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

This seems like the proper news group to post this query...

I look forward to buying a little piece of land someday to settle
down upon to enjoy what fruits a life of generally worthless labor
grant me. But I'm worried about air pollution (all the other
basic pollutions I can maybe manage to mechanically avoid, but
that air is more difficult!). The question is, where is the best air
place in North America, a place that has "better" air more days
out of the year than the rest? Is there any agency or society
or something that could furnish me with an air pollution map
of some sort?

Thanks very much in advance for *any* info, e-mail or post.

--danny brumfield
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
From: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: What do we want?
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan


If we want a good environment, we must judge the goodness of environments.
Suppose that we find that our purpose or goal in the universe is to be
such and such. Then we need a particular environment, which may be
completely different from the environment we have. Is there any procedure
for determining or any knowledge of where we want to be in the long term?
Is there a good procedure for getting there?


Henry Choy
choy@skorpio.usask.ca
Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: What do we want?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:59:46

In article <1992Apr15.015351.10256@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.Usask.CA writes:


   If we want a good environment, we must judge the goodness of environments.
   Suppose that we find that our purpose or goal in the universe is to be
   such and such. Then we need a particular environment, which may be
   completely different from the environment we have. Is there any procedure
   for determining or any knowledge of where we want to be in the long term?
   Is there a good procedure for getting there?


   Henry Choy
   choy@skorpio.usask.ca

What makes you think that everyone has or ever will have the same
goals?  Is diversity of preference not to be tolerated?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Xref: sparky talk.environment:1452 sci.environment:6082
From: abdilla@fedcmac.edc.rmit.edu.au (Michael Abdilla)
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment
Subject: Wanted: Green Databases & Eco Nets.
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:45:24 GMT
Organization: Centre for design at RMIT, Melbourne Australia

Anyone out there in Netland aware of environmental databases 
or Eco networks accesible via the Internet???

I'll be happy to collate & post any responses I receive via e-mail.!

Thanks in advance:-)
From: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: chaos and order
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:47:29 GMT
Reply-To: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan


Everything, even the most minor events, occurring in the universe can
affect the future profoundly. The mere lifting of a finger may cause
devastating hurricanes or droughts. A proposed way to ensure environmental
protection is to use machines on a global scale to regulate and condition
the state of the earth.


Henry Choy
choy@skorpio.usask.ca
Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au
Subject: Re: chaos and order
Reply-To: Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:46:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.014729.9884@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
writes:
>
>Everything, even the most minor events, occurring in the universe can
>affect the future profoundly. The mere lifting of a finger may cause
>devastating hurricanes or droughts. A proposed way to ensure environmental
>protection is to use machines on a global scale to regulate and condition
>the state of the earth.
>
>
>Henry Choy
>choy@skorpio.usask.ca
>
I'd have thought that the construction and operation of such machines would
have amounted to humanity lifting more than a few fingers.

Perhaps even lifting a hand.

We don't understand enough about environmental stability, or dynamic
equilibrium, to promote it around _ourselves_, let alone encircle the planet
with our 'protection'.

regardless,
&rue

Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au   <= forestry statistician 
(if it moves, count it; if it doesn't move then CHOP IT DOWN and count it.)
My employers don't care what I say, in fact I don't even think they know I
exist.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 08:47:43 EDT
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: more on ozone (and why the hole is in the south)
 <1992Apr14.130804.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>

Is it true that sunspot activity (now at a high level) creates ozone in the
stratosphere?  What happens when the sunspots settle done in a year or two?
Newsgroups: gsfc.general,talk.environment
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Ozone hole farce? (was Re: Ozone problem burns Politically Correct)
Originator: stgprao@xing
Keywords: rumor science credibility responsibility
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:24:12 GMT

What is the daily variance in UV level?  e.g. it drops to zero at sunset :-)
One hypothesis is the increase in UV is greater from 10AM to 2PM than the
seasonal ozone variation in Australia.  Anyone got this numbers?
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: Ozone hole farce? (was Re: Ozone problem burns Politically Correct)
Keywords: rumor science credibility responsibility
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:03:41 GMT

In article <bazy02.I0fud01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:
>
>3.  High-atmosphere particulates and sulfates from Mt. Pinatubo
>    are exacerbating the problem, by providing reaction sites
>    at which Cl destroys ozone.
>
Just to clarify what this means:

If there were no human made CFCs carrying clorine into the stratosphere the
effect of Mt. Pinatubo on the ozone would have been much less.  What has 
happened is a synergetic (sp?) effect.
From: corey@athena.mit.edu (Corey L Lofdahl)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: chaos and order
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:18:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr16.011819.28157
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.014729.9884@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.Usask.CA writes:
>
>Everything, even the most minor events, occurring in the universe can
>affect the future profoundly. The mere lifting of a finger may cause
>devastating hurricanes or droughts. A proposed way to ensure environmental
>protection is to use machines on a global scale to regulate and condition
>the state of the earth.
>
>Henry Choy
>choy@skorpio.usask.ca

Since you put it that way, what do you mean?

	-- Corey
From: arnold@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us (Jonathan Hefler)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: THE ENVIRONMENT
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:04:06 GMT
Organization: Princeton High School, Princeton, New Jersey

Hi, I am a student a Princeton High School and I have recently undertaken 
a project dealing with the environment. I have already mailed out letters 
to different governments of the world asking for their policies on all 
aspects of the environment, and my results have been VERY favorable. I 
have already received mail from such countries as Japan, FInland, Greece, 
France, Iceland, and many others. I have a slight problem, however. I AM 
DIRECTIONLESS! I don't know where to go from here! I a posting this 
message in the hope that someone out there will be able to help me find 
some direction or possibly put me in contact with a national 
environmental group. ANY help would be greatly appreciated. THANX!

-----
Jonathan Hefler, Princeton High School BBS
DNS: arnold@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us      UUCP: ...!princeton!phsbbs!arnold
Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this message.
Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Subject: Re: Re: What do we want?
Reply-To: choy@skorpio.Usask.CA
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:52:17 GMT


John McCarthy replies

>>   If we want a good environment, we must judge the goodness of environments.
>>   Suppose that we find that our purpose or goal in the universe is to be
>>   such and such. Then we need a particular environment, which may be
>>   completely different from the environment we have. Is there any procedure
>>   for determining or any knowledge of where we want to be in the long term?
>>   Is there a good procedure for getting there?

> What makes you think that everyone has or ever will have the same
> goals?  Is diversity of preference not to be tolerated?

I was saying that we may become enlightened and cooperate to one set of
ends.

Henry Choy
choy@skorpio.usask.ca



Newsgroups: talk.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: OMB prohibits EPA from including benefits in cost-benefit analyses
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:39:20

In article <1992Apr8.080602.19288@meteor.wisc.edu> stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Steve Jascourt) writes:

   I have learned that when the EPA conducts cost-benefit analyses of proposed
   regulations (as they are required to do), the Office of Management and
   Budget (an arm of the president's administration, more or less) does not
   permit them to include the beneficial effects of improved health and of
   jobs created, technology developed, and markets stimulated by the requirements
   of the regulation. Thus, the figures always show cleaning up this or that
   costs xxx dollars and "we're in a recession, we can't afford it", while the
   reality is quite different. This is then reported in the press and it looks
   to the public like all these regulations are economically harmful when in
   some (or most) cases they are actually economically as well as ecologically
   helpful. Promotion of this view, which helps polluting companies at the
   expense of the benefit of society, is enforced by president Bush through his
   administration, and the EPA is not given any say in the matter.

   Stephen Jascourt    stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu

Allowing these hypothetical benefits to be included would permit the
EPA enthusiasts for regulation to make any proposed regulation come
out cost-beneficial, and they surely would do that.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: gsmith@elendil.next.nd.edu (george smith)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: Re: chaos and order
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:25:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr17.052502.15002
Organization: University of Notre Dame




> Allen Gordon (gordon@tramp.colorado.edu) replies
> 
>> >The problem here, as I've been told by Ed Lorenz is that we don't know  
what 
> >would have happened if we don't lift a finger.  Then there is the  
compounding 
> >effects of other people lifting there fingers.  Finally, a major  
consideration
> >is the sensitivity of non-linear systems in a chaotic regime, is the 
> >sensitivity to initial conditions.  We can not measure with absolute  
precision
> >and therefore there will always be an uncertainty that accumulates with  
time.
> 
> >The moral here is that we cannot use a mechanistic approach to solve  
our 
> >problems.
> 
> 
> If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer.
> 
> Henry Choy
> choy@skorpio.usask.ca


And if it breaks...?   Not every problem is a nail, although when our only  
tool is a hammer, it may seem so.

George Smith
gsmith@elendil.next.nd.edu
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: where best air in U.S.?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:05:36

The fact that weather moves from West to East suggests the West Coast,
i.e. the actual coast itself, not a city close to the coast.  This
assumes you don't mind fairly constant fog.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Steve Jascourt)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: OMB prohibits EPA from including benefits in cost-benefit analyses
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:06:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: meteor.1992Apr8.080602.19288
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

I have learned that when the EPA conducts cost-benefit analyses of proposed
regulations (as they are required to do), the Office of Management and
Budget (an arm of the president's administration, more or less) does not
permit them to include the beneficial effects of improved health and of
jobs created, technology developed, and markets stimulated by the requirements
of the regulation. Thus, the figures always show cleaning up this or that
costs xxx dollars and "we're in a recession, we can't afford it", while the
reality is quite different. This is then reported in the press and it looks
to the public like all these regulations are economically harmful when in
some (or most) cases they are actually economically as well as ecologically
helpful. Promotion of this view, which helps polluting companies at the
expense of the benefit of society, is enforced by president Bush through his
administration, and the EPA is not given any say in the matter.

Stephen Jascourt    stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
From: gordon@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GORDON ALLEN R)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: chaos and order
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:30:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr15.203059.20309
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

choy@skorpio.Usask.CA writes:


>Everything, even the most minor events, occurring in the universe can
>affect the future profoundly. The mere lifting of a finger may cause
>devastating hurricanes or droughts. A proposed way to ensure environmental
>protection is to use machines on a global scale to regulate and condition
>the state of the earth.


>Henry Choy
>choy@skorpio.usask.ca

The problem here, as I've been told by Ed Lorenz is that we don't know what 
would have happened if we don't lift a finger.  Then there is the compounding 
effects of other people lifting there fingers.  Finally, a major consideration
is the sensitivity of non-linear systems in a chaotic regime, is the 
sensitivity to initial conditions.  We can not measure with absolute precision
and therefore there will always be an uncertainty that accumulates with time.

The moral here is that we cannot use a mechanistic approach to solve our 
problems.
-- 
Allen Gordon 		         *If the folly of but one of us was changed to*
Research Associate         	 *intelligence, and divided amongst a thousand*
gordon@tramp.colorado.edu   	 *toads, each would be more intelligent than  *
				 *Aristotle				      *
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: transit saves energy
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:58:03 EST
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Press release from American Public Transit Association

 Increased Transit Use Belongs in National Energy Conservation
Strategy
 To: National Desk, Transportation Writer
 Contact: Chip Bishop of the American Public Transit Association,
          202-898-4114

   WASHINGTON, April 9 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The American Public Transit
Association urged Congress today to promote the use of mass transit
and other forms of ride-sharing in national energy policy
legislation.
   "Mass transit is an inexpensive way to conserve energy," said
Robert W. Batchelder, APTA's chief counsel and deputy executive vice
president - government affairs.  "We feel that any national strategy
to conserve energy and reduce dependence on foreign oil should
promote the use of high-occupancy transportation services such as
transit."
   Batchelders's remarks were offered to the House Surface
Transportation Subcommittee which is considering H.R. 776, the
Comprehensive National Energy Policy Act.
   "APTA supports national energy legislation that increases transit
ridership in order to reduce energy used in transportation,"
Batchelder said.  "Real energy savings come from coaxing people out
of single-occupant vehicles and into rail cars, buses and van pools."
   He said studies show that 300,000 barrels of oil would be saved
each day in the United States if just 10 percent of urban auto
commuting was replaced by transit use.  "Transportation is
responsible for 63 percent of U.S. oil consumption, and oil imports
are nearly 70 percent of our annual trade deficit," he said.
   The legislation could require new transit buses to be equipped
with engines that burn fuels such as methanol and compressed natural
gas.  The association said it strongly supports the $30 million
authorized in the legislation for continued test of alternate fuel
use in transit buses.  It reported that such demonstrations are
underway at dozens of transit systems in 14 states and four Canadian
provinces.
   "This delivery reflects the industry's commitment to exploring
environmentally-sound technology," Batchelder said.  "Alternate fuel
mandates established under the bill should not undercut transit's
ability to reduce energy consumption through increased ridership."
   APTA is the international association of operating transit
authorities, their suppliers and others interested in the advancement
of transit service.
    ------
   Editors: For further information and interviews contact Chip
Bishop of APTA at 202-898-4114.  Copies of Batchelder's statement are
available from APTA on request.
 -0-
 /U.S. Newswire  202-347-2770/
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: parson_r@cubldr.colorado.edu (Robert Parson)
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: Re: more on ozone (and why the hole is in the south)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:08:04 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Apr13.190712.1030@vexcel.com>, dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska) writes:
> 
> The reason for the ozone hole being over the south pole
> from "Back from Beyond the Limits" by Donella H. Meadows Ph.D., 
> 	Dennis L. Meadows Ph.D.  and Jorgen Randers Ph.D. p. 153-154
> 
> 
> The chlorine atoms formed in the dark of the Antarctic winter do not
> immediately enter the chain reaction of ozone desctruction.  Instead
> they react just once with ozone to form ClO.  The ClO molecules come
> together to form a relatively stable ClOOCl dimer.  An accumulation
> of ClOOCl builds up, poised and waiting for the return of the sun.
> 
> When the light returns in the Antarctic spring, solar radiation breaks up
> the ClOOCl dimer to releasae enormous bursts of Cl, which goes to work
> on the ozone.  Ozone concentration drops precipitously within a few weeks.
> At some altutudes, more than 97% of the ozone vanishes.

 This is not quite correct. The species that builds up during the Antarctic
 Winter is Cl2, through reactions such as:
 HCl + ClONO2 -> Cl2 + NO3
 which take place on the surfaces of ice particles.
 When the light returns the Cl2 is photolyzed into Cl atoms, which then
 go on to make ClO and (ClO)2. Photolysis of the dimer produces more
 Cl atoms. 
 It is true that formation of the dimer is the rate-limiting step, and that this
 only occurs at low temperatures. It happens in early spring rather than in
 winter, however.
> 
> Lesser holes have been observed over the north pole in the northern spring.
> Discrete holes are not expected to be found elsewhere.  But as the gases
> in the atmosphere mix, the concentration of ozone in the stratosphere
> over the whole earth is decreasing measurably.  

 Photolysis of O2 by UV-C high in the stratosphere offsets this, so global O3
 recovers. This process is slow, however, and may not be able to keep up in the
 long run.

 Robert
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