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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: GREECE -- OLYMPIA -- Multuism
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:26:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1992Jul31.015833.24168@wam.umd.edu> yiannis@wam.umd.edu (IOANNIS VELISSARAKOS  ATHINA-HELLAS) writes:



+>	The entire area is strewn with the ruins of ancient cities,
+>Byzantine churches and mediaeval castles, all of them of great archeolo-
+>gical and historical interest. 

	Everyone knows that these so-called ancient ruins are nothing more
than the efforts of the cursed British and French imprealists to confuse
persons in the area.  The entire area was empty before the Turks arrived
bringing civilization and harmony. 

	The "lie" that there was an ancient Greece is comparable with the
"lie" that there was an Egyptian civiliazation before the Turks arrived.
Everyone knows that the so-called "artifacts" of "ancient Egypt" were
the creation of European craftsman in the 1800's.  The evidence of this
is the vast number of examples of so-called "ancient Egyptian" relics
in the west.   There was no ancient Egypt.  There was a Turkish Aegyptus
on the same space however with a magnificent civilization.



	What is behind these lies is a campaign by the cursed armeinian devils
to destroy the memory of the Ottoman empire and its accomplishments by 
convincing the various subjects of the empire that they had "civilisation"
or "countries" seperate from the Noble, Glorous and Magnificent Ottoman
Empire of the Turks[1].

+>The rivers Alpheus (Alfios) and Peneus
+>(Pinios) and their tributaries add to the unique poetry of the area. 

	These rivers were built by Turks and are an example of Turkish
craftsmanship and engineering.   


+>From
+>Pirgos the road forks eastwards through the fertile valley of Ellis, one
+>of the ancient cities of Peloponnese. 

	There are not ancient cities and no Peloponnese.  The name "peolonnese
" was invented by the French in 1822 and applied to an area previously
known as "Eastern Turkopoly".

	As to the rest of your nonsense, the Olympics were first invented
by Turks most certainly.  They were imported with other Turkish culture
into Eastern Turkopoly when civilization came.  It was pointed out to 
the british by a thrice-damned Areminian dog that since the Olympics 
were such an important part of Turkish culture, inventing stories that 
credited the invention of the Olmypics to these imaginary "greeks" 
would be a tremendous blow to Turkish pride.  
	The Britisher scum then began telling the stories of how the greeks
invented the Olympics (really named the Istampics) which made many turks 
feel sad.  

	So if anyone trys to tell you that such people as Greeks or 
Egyptians or Armenians existed, tell them that you know that truth.


	All hail his sublime magnificance, Hasan I, rightful Sultan of
all turks and turkish land.  Multu-ism will yet prevail.










Newsgroups: soc.history
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: soc.history, the looney bin
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:47:28 GMT
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In <kutluk.712428290@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:

+>In <1992Jul21.081708.14235@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes:

+>>In article <1992Jul20.232542.8237@sequent.com> dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
+>>>
+>>>I for one would be interested in how to set up a kill file for mutlu,
+>>>please send me the information.
+>> 
+>>Okay; here are the first two lines of my kill file for soc.history.  
+>[..]
+>>is worth reading.  I too would farour having a moderated group where 
+>>we could actually talk about history.

+>You mean the history tailor made for your preference.

	More history free of ethnic feuds and their related propoganda.
Multu is a propogandist.  He has no interest in discussing anything and
is not doing much more than posting the same material over and over
again.   

	Multu does more damage to his own cause by his actions than
the Armenians on the net could ever dream of doing.



Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.activism,alt.activism.d,alt.rock-n-roll
From: Jonathan.Cooper@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jonathan Cooper)
Subject: Conference - Toward a History of the 1960's
Summary: Announcement and call for papers					
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:41:33 GMT


The State Historical Society of Wisconsin and the University of
Wisconsin-Madison announce a major interdisciplinary scholarly conference:
                            
                   TOWARD A HISTORY OF THE 1960'S
    
Papers are invited on all aspects of the 1960's for a conference to be
held in Madison, April 28, 29, 30, & May 1, 1993.  Papers on the following
subjects are especially encouraged:		
	* Freedom Movements		* Popular Culture (Films, Music, Sports,
        * The New Left                       Dress)
        * Politics and Public Policy    * Radical Education Movements
	* 1968: Global Watershed?	* Radicals in the Professions
	* The Anti-War Movement		* Conservative Political Activism
	* Student Activism		* The Women's Movement
					* The Gay Liberation Movement

Proposals for papers or entire sessions are requested by October 1, 1992.	
For information: 	 
		R. David Myers, Library Director
		State Historical Society of Wisconsin
		816 State Street
		Madison, WI  53706
		(608) 264-6529
		Fax: (608) 264-6520
		email: david.myers@mail.admin.wisc.edu



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Newsgroups: soc.history
From: wknowling@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: The history of bathing and baths
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:11:49 GMT

I am doing research on bathing and the history of baths, saunas, turkish 
baths, medicinal baths, etc. But I have found that there is almost no 
information on this subject area. If anyone has a reference or even misc. 
information about baths, historical events that happened in a bath I would 
appreciate hearing about it through E-mail or in Soc.history.

Thanks
Ron Knowling
History, Memorial University, St John's, NF, Canada.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Why firebomb civilians?/WWII
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:12:05 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Jul27210844@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>Lack of a declaration of war and full diplomatic relations DO seem to indicate
>>'friendly" status, at elast as defined in the international scene.
>
>The Japanese didn't consider the US their friend. Japan considered the US it's
>number one enemy from about 1909 onward. And judging by the immigration

From 1909, we were enemy #1? Hardly. As they "went to war" with Germany, and
not us, it is rather doubtful we were high on their list until about, oh,
1935. 

>policies of the US regarding Japanese and the history of US/Japan relations
>prior to 1941, I sincerely doubt that anyone thought there were nay feelings of

Immigration policy, was an excuse, not a reason. Rather like "Asian Brotherhood"
was their excuse to invade Korea, China, and points south. As for the friend-
liness of the US to Japan, you might try reading _Japanese Things Being Notes 
on Various Subjects connected with Japan_ by Basil Hall Chamberlain. He 
specifically states "One country, the United States, which had always been 
Japan's kindest patron..." and goes on to explain how we made separate treaties
with Japan from the rest of the Western powers, on terms most favorable to
Japan. The Japanese also asked us to mediate the Russo-Japanese war. Hardly
sounds like long term, deep-seated enmity.

>"friendliness" between Japan and the US. Where do you find this definition "in
>the international scene" that you are drawing from?? No declaration of war and
>full diplomatic relations IMPLIES status quo at best.

And before a war, diplomatic relations are broken off, ambassadors are sent
home, etc. I am drawing this from most of the history of modern nations.

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From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: How many Indians?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:27:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.111718.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) writes:
>In article <CB.92Jul28110837@tamarack13.timbuk>, cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:

>> Lowie's text "Indians of the Plains" gives population estimates for the
>> various tribes of the Plains, such as the Mandan, Lakota, and Pawnee
>> tribes.  What's striking, by comparison with modern society, is how
>> small the numbers are.  A typical tribe had 2000 to 5000 people in its
>> heyday, including tribes whose names are very familiar to us today.  It
>> stands to reason that a tribe in the northern plains would be limited in
>> numbers, since the same land supports relatively few people even today.
>> But I find it interesting that our intense study of early "cultures" can
>> be based on such small societies.  Does anyone have any basis for
>> disputing Lowie's numbers?

>I'm not sure I get your point.  Almost by definition, all early
>cultures are going to have a small population (depending on how you
>define "early").  You've got to start somewhere.  During the time of
>the Roman Empire, there were few "big" cities.  What was the population of
>Rome at that time?  20,000?  === Al Sparks

Yet we constantly see allusions to the 100 million native Americans killed
by the Europeans in the early 16th century.  Considering that the U.S.
population was only about 10 million 200 years later makes these kinds of
numbers difficult to accept.

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Subject: Re: Why firebomb civilians?/WWII
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:25:15 GMT

In article <dusek.711746860@shale> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek) writes:
>smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:
>>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes...
>
>	It was the British who dropped on civilians first. 

Ever heard about Guernica ? Warsaw ? Rotterdam ? Coventry ?

>					James Dusek


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  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 00:40:25 CDT
From: <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: What is wrong with Hasan wanting to.......

Previous Subject: Re: So what can we do about this guy? - correction.

"Whether Turkish or Armenian, clearly damage has been done.....both sides are
trying to get their experiences........."

When I read Davidian's responses to Mutlu, my first thought was that he was
wasting his time, throwing pearls before swine. The genocide of the Armenian
people by the Turkish-ruled Ottoman Empire was such a well-established bit of
history, that those who tried to stand it on its' head were simply a group of
crackpots who the general population would have the good sense to ignore.
Given this, I thought that there was little point to responding, and posted
a response suggesting as much.

I was wrong. As David Davidian pointed out to me, and the last poster proved,
there is no position so insane that if unchallenged, will not gain adherents.
He was so right.

What is wrong with that, the previous poster asks ? What is wrong is that while
the claims may be symmetrical, the reality is not. There is a technique for
defending the indefensible called "mirroring". It consists of the aggressor
in a given situation accusing his victim of doing what he alone has done
himself. Does it work ? Just listen to your own response. It just did.

What would we think of a German who posted a claim that the Jewish population
in Europe practised aggression against Germans in an attempt to justify the
holocaust ? Could you possibly understand the anger of someone whose family
lost loved ones, when someone would dare to suggest that the blame for their
deaths should be laid at the feet of their fellow Jews?

Incredibly, such things were said, and not so long ago. How could I have
forgotten ? I guess that I really wanted to believe that our society has
progressed somewhat in these matters in the last 14 years.

Again, I was wrong.

Hasan, you refer to the slaughter of the Jewish people by the Armenians, and
try to claim them as allies. As a Jew, I demand that you cease this immediately
We have not forgotten what Adolf Hitler himself said when others in Germany
feared the reaction of the world to what he was doing.

              "Who remembers the Armenians ?"

Who indeed.


Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Our new baby girl!!!
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:06:23 GMT

jclark@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (S Clark james hawkin  [A [A [A [B [Bx ) writes:
> 
>    Jamie, the proud new daddy!

Well, congratulations!  To both of you!  I hereby extend my whole-hearted
welcome to Clarissa, and may she be just as addicted to the net world as we
are!  :)  Now...where'd I put that champagne?
From: S_PFEFFERKOR@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Felix 'Pepe' Pfefferkorn)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: students near Paris searched
Date: 24 Jul 1992 09:59:26 GMT
Organization: Uni Karlsruhe, Informatik Rechnerabteilung
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav18.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22


Hi!
I'm searching for Email-addresses (or any other way to re-contact) of the
following persons. They're probably students anywhere near Paris and lived
(some years ago) near Orsay or Palaiseau:

- Terence McCormick
- Jean-Michel and Yan Hubert
- Benoit Pernot
- Laurent Barat
- Guirec Duperrin

If someone knows anything about them, please send an Email to me. Don't use the
address of the header!!! Use the following instead:

- ukb3@dkauni2 when posting in BITNET/EARN
- ukb3@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de using INTERNET etc.

Thanx in advance!
-pepe-



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From: j1861@moncol.monmouth.edu (JULIA JONES)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Hot Springs High School, circa 1975
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:42:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764


	Hello, beautiful World!

	Any fellow Arkansans out there from my home town, and maybe
	from my High School class?  (Please, no comments about the
	70's having no class.  :-))

	Let me know!  
	j1861@moncol.monmouth.edu
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                         It's a karmic credit plan--buy now, pay forever."

	                        	-- Dr. Cozy Carlisle, _Dead Again_
From: jll1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEANETTE L. LEON)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Looking for old friends from New Jersey
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:36:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello netters,

I'm looking for some old friends whom I grew with when I attended St. Mary
Academy in Lakewood, New Jersey. Most of them would be around the age of 22
and graduated in 1984. Here are some names:

Todd Lippin - last known hometown: Howell, NJ; last heard that he was
attending college in Minnesota (?)
Frank Nappo - also lived in Howell, NJ; attended Howell High School
Geri-Lynn Bucholtz - lived in Lakewood, NJ and graduated from Lakewood High
School in 1988

I'm also looking for an old friend from high school. His name is Frank Parise
and he used to live in Nazareth, PA but now lives in Florida.

I would greatly appreciate any info on the above.

Thanks,
Jeanette
jll1@lehigh.edu
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From: lind@eng.umd.edu (Charles A. Lind)
Subject: ISO government 'white pages'
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:50:24 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: lind@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


Hi,
	A short time ago I had the ability to get info(email) on just
about anyone who worked for nasa.  Unfortunately, I forget how
I did this.  I believe I telneted somewhere.  If anyone is aware
of such a thing I would be greatly appreciative.  Thanks.

Charles
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Looking for the Emmas
Date: 21 Jul 1992 01:40:57 -0700
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com


I'm looking for Tanya Emma, parents Ron and Joan.  Last known
location was Putney, VT, where both parents were teaching at Windham
College, but that was nigh on 20 years ago.

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From: bwallet@N40MP.NSWC.NAVY.MIL (Brad Wallet)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: IP address for freenet-in-a.cleveland.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:54:48 GMT

Does anyone know the IP (hardwire) address for the Cleveland Freenet
machine "freenet-in-a.cleveland.edu?"  It is now the only one that
they let internet users use.
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Looking for Vicky Warren and son Christopher
Date: 24 Jul 1992 10:52:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Possible locale, California (Madera???)

-Shirl Grant a.k.a. SunShine
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: consp03@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Kriston J. Rehberg)
Subject: DON BOSCO PREP, RAMSEY, NJ
Organization: Binghamton University Computing Services - The POD Staff
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:46:57 GMT

I'm looking for folks to went to Don Bosco Prep High School in Ramsey,
NJ.  Particularly from the classes of '88, '89, '90, '91.
                                            ^^my year

Thanks folks.

Kris

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From: dreamer@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II ~~~)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Searching for TIM JORDON [in Florida?]
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:17:28 CDT
Organization: <><><><><><><><><><><>

	Back when I was but an adolescent, probably 9-12 years old, in Wichita,
Kansas, my best friend lived on the other side of my block, on Delrose street.
We did virtually everything together.  We had many adventures and wonderful
times and together explored the virtues of getting older, liking girls, and
just about everything else.  He was closer than a brother to me.  His name was
Tim Jordon ... and when I was in the eighth grade, and he in the seventh, Tim
moved to Florida.  His father's name was Ron Jordon, and he was a successful
car salesman.  His mother's name my have been Sarah, but mostly I heard her
referred to as "Mom," of course.  He had an adopted sister, "Jen-Jen" and a
black labrador named Licorice.  Licorice would sometimes get out and run all 
over the neighborhood at break-neck speeds. 

	I am now 20 years old, and haven't seen Tim since he handed me his
Atari and hopped the fence back to his house, some 8 or 9 years ago.  I had his
address in Florida, and talked to him on the phone once or twice, but after he
moved again, we lost contact. 

	I am extremely curious about who Tim is today.  I really want to see or
talk to him again.  I'm hoping he is at a university somewhere, and either he
or someone who knows him will read this and contact him or me. 

	Tim is probably a big fellow nowadays ... not fat, but tall and large 
like a football player.

	Please, if you have any clues as to who I am talking about or how I may 
proceed with finding Tim, contact me.  It really means a lot to me.


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From: gj@austin.ibm.com (George Jenkins)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Paul Rubin
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:38:26 GMT
Reply-To: gj%yo.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: gj@yo.austin.ibm.com


Does anyone have and e-mail address for Paul Rubin?  He used to work
in Dallas and the last I heard he was the VP of software for a UNIX
computer manufacturer in the North East.  Please reply via email.

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Re: Elvis Presley d.1977?
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:44:33 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <91833@bu.edu> schin@pub2.bu.edu (neil schier) writes:
>I am looking for Elvis. He is either Boris Yeltsin or Gov. Jim Martin
>of N.C. The last time I saw Elvis he was working as a Janitor in 
>a Wendy's in Bergen County, NJ Any ideas?
>
>

As a matter of fact, I saw Elvis busing tables at this
little breakfast nook (RailRoad Restaurant) in Livermore, CA
last weekend.  He gets around doesn't he.

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Newsgroups: soc.net-people