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From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Akita, Bouvier, GSD, Bullmastiff, Rottweiler: Health and Temperament Problems?
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:49:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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David F. Austin <David_Austin@ncsu.edu> writes:

>I'm writing up some research I did on dogs and home/nbhd
>protection and still need current information about the
>health and temperament problems that one needs to look
>out for in these breeds:

>        Akitas
>        Bouvier des Flandres
>        German Shepherd Dogs
>        Bullmastiffs
>        Rottweilers.

>I'll also consult veterinary texts and journals, but I'd like to
>hear from  readers of this group, especially those who have
> experience with more than a few representatives of these breeds.

>I assume that all of these breeds are subject to hip dysplasia!and
>will look up current OFA stats.

>Thanks.

>David.

It's my understanding that Bouviers are _not_ very often dysplasic. I
think a more critical problem, certainly in it's immediate consequences,
is stomach torsion.

Steven
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Corporation, a subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:40:45 GMT

Tom Gorski writes:
> I certainly wouldn't expect to see "Responsible Breeders" suddenly drop
> their prices if by some happenstance the supply of mutts were to
> dry up in a local area due to an unusually effective neutering campaign.

Good point.  But of course neither millions more pets than homes nor
the reverse is necessary.  We can match supply to demand and stop
throwing away the excess.  Supply currently exceeds demand by over 8
million pets per year.

> Sure, to some extent the whole debate about neutering is about avoiding
> the need to euthanize thousands of animals each year...it also seems
> to me to be about something else, something quite easily understood:
>
> Money!!

I suppose that might be the case, following your reasoning, if one
were to advocate neutering only mutts.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: millios@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (william.l.millios)
Subject: Alert-training
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:49:42 GMT

I'd like to hear some ideas on how I can train my dog to alert
me when somebody is at the door, by coming to me, barking, then
leading me to the door.

The big problem is getting her to bark on command.  She's kinda
quiet, for a dog, and only barks at the slow old dog next door.

Additional "hearing dog" training tips appreciated.  Mail or
post.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Organization: not much...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:03:35 GMT

I've found it amusing to see people calling eating used tissues disgusting; if
you think about some of the things your dog does on a daily basis, used tissue
will seem pretty tame.

We have been able to cure Katie of all of her annoying behaviors but two:

	- eating tissues (and, BTW, cotton balls) from the trash
	- putting her toys on the sofa

We have decided that everyone has a couple of vices, and we can live with
these.  She only dips into the trash when she's annoyed or bored -- i.e., when
we leave her alone or otherwise piss her off -- so we close all the bathroom
doors when we leave her alone.  And we look before we sit, or risk sitting on
a soggy rawhide.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: seg@cbncp1.ATT.COM (Scott Gordon X6133)
Subject: Re: Akitas and children and other questions
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:15:01 GMT
Followup-To: seg@cblpn.cb.att.com

>>>In article <1993Jan22.193619.14304@ohsu.edu> kozowski@ohsu.edu (Eric Kozowski) writes:
>>>
>>>   Path: cbnews!att!linac!uwm.edu!ogicse!pdxgate!steele!news
>>>   From: kozowski@ohsu.edu (Eric Kozowski)
>>>   Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
>>>   Date: 22 Jan 93 19:36:19 GMT
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>>>   I have a couple of questions for you Akita owners out there.  I have pretty  
>>>   much made up my mind that I want an Akita.  My only question/worry is their  
>>>   interaction with children.  Our first child is due very shortly and before I  
>>>   get an Akita I want to make sure that they are suitable around children.  I  
>>>   will probably wait until that baby is 4-6 month old before we get the dog.   
>>>   Should I wait longer?  Or should I get the dog sooner?
>>>
>>>   Also, how are Akitas for protection?  My wife likes the idea of having a large  
>>>   dog to take with her on walks (or is it the dog taking my wife for a walk? :-)  
>>>   ).  Any other things I should know about Akitas before I get one?
>>>
>>>   --
>>>   Eric Kozowski                | System/Network Administrator
>>>   kozowski@ohsu.edu            | Oregon Health Sciences University
>>>				| 840 SW Gaines Rd GH113
>>>   503/494-4537                 | Portland, Oregon 97201
>>>

Akitas are great with kids.  Mine was about 2-years old when my first
child was born.  Even at 110 pounds, he was a symbol of grace around
her.  He knew exactly where she was when she was on the floor, and
even when he played around with me, she was never in danger.

They are very protective and have long term memories.  If I allowed
someoned into the house, the dog figured it was OK.  If, however, I
was talking to someone through the door, he was always on the alert.
We did have a neighbor girl who was about 6 or 7 at the time we got
our dog.  She used to torment him as he was on a chain.  He never
liked her and truly showed aggression towards her.  The other members
of her family were OK.

As far as the dog taking your wife for a walk - yes it will if it
isn't trained.  (Especially if it sees another dog!)  Train it, and
they are the best walking companion in the world.

Good luck -- Scott Gordon
		seg@cblpn.cb.att.com

-------
Gosh, I can't wait 'til my house is built.  I miss that cold wet nose
saying good morning.  :-)
From: emily@azariah.tamu.edu (Emily Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: docking
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:52:05 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: azariah.tamu.edu

In article <9301251356.AA12936@mesa.dcrt.nih.gov> young@alw.nih.gov writes:
>I think that we have established, time and time again as
>this subject continues to come up, that the docking of 
>tails does serve a purpose in the hunting breeds.  Yes,
>there still are those of us who hunt with our dogs although
>our numbers are probably dwindling.  We will probably 
>continue to dock the tails of Brittanies, German Shorthairs,
>Clumber Spaniels, Cocker Spaniels, Springer Spaniels, 
>Viszlas, Weimereiners and etc. to spare the dogs injuries
>to their tails incurred as these dogs beat about the brush
>in search of game. 

This makes some sense to me, and it is an argument that I have
heard before.  However, if this is true, why aren't the tails
of labs, pointers, setters (and possibly some other hunting breeds)
docked?  The fact that labs are retrievers, might have something
to do with it.  Does it have to do with the different types of 
hunting?  Does a pointer do the same type of hunting that a German
Shorthaired pointer does?  (Obviously, my ignorance of hunting
with dogs shows. )

Emily
From: ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Kisses (was Re: do you french your dog?
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:57:21 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <laird.727751999@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu>, laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
> Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
> how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
> hard to avoid the tongue.

Nikita, our Siberian Husky, is a weird one.

We've recently (she's six) taught her to "give kisses" (on the 
cheek :-). I'm the alpha  in the family (relative to the dog)... 
and if I ask her for kisses, Nikita creates a fuss, big time. If 
Kelly (my S.O.) is in the room, Nikita will whine at me, then run 
over to Kel and give her lots of  kisses. There must be something 
about giving free kisses to the 'alpha' dog.

What do people think... does this sound like America's Home Video 
10 000 $ material or what?

DDJ 
-------------------------------------------------------------
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:adopting a Ridgeback
Date: 27 Jan 1993 08:37:01 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu






Regarding the person who is thinking about adopting the
Ridgeback, I say go for it.  We have had out male 21/2 year old
Ridgeback for two weeks and he is just WONDERFUL.  Doesn't bark,
chew, bother the cat (never had seen one), is submissive to our
older dog.  Doesn't get excited by the horses (had never seen one)
Doesn't mind neighbors comming over-stays on his carpet spot in the
house, jogs with me and stays by my side.  Since he has been shown
you can handle any part of his body with no problem.  Plus, he is
just beautiful, shiny red coat, expressive face.  Very loving and
friendly, I don't expect any problems with my little kids.  He is
also very smart and has alreadyh learned he has a place in the house
he is expected to stay unless invited elsewhere, and has also
learned to sit.  I am all for the breed, but don't expect a four
month puppy to be perfect.

This breed seems very laid back and mellow.  Bogey, for example,
will take one fast run across our pasture then come and snooze out
by me as I am painting the fence.  They do seem to sleep a lot but
also seem like athletic dogs and he enjoys running with me. I hope
to eventually take h im  out riding with the horses, and don't think
he will give any problem.

They are about the size of a doberman, but with a much bigger head.
I can't imagine a burglar wanting to tangle with one

Karen
From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog barks constantly at nothing
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:43:14 GMT
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sierra.ucsd.edu


Is there any way to train a dog not to bark at everything? Our dog is a small
collie mix we got at the pound. He's friendly and playful and likes to be
outdoors in the yard. But when he's out there he'll bark at everything he
hears. Sometimes he'll just stand out there in the middle of the yard and
bark for no apparent reason. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with 
us being in the house and him being outdoors. It's becoming a particular problem
with some of our neighbors who are getting very tired of hearing it. Can
anyone help? Thanks.

Jim 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:50:06 GMT

Betsy:
> 
> Now if only my cute little spayed mutt could get a CD!  I know, I know, there
> are competitions for mixed breads, just not through AKC.  But they're few
> and far between.  And I imagine there's nothing like performing in a really
> big show like the ones they have here in Chicago at McCormick Place.  Really,
> what would be the harm in letting neutered mixed-breeds compete?  It could
> mean a lot more registration fees for AKC and entry fees for obedience trials.

Actually, mixed breeds DO compete in AKC obedience :-) !
I know, personally, an ILP "German Shepherd" who is half Malamute!
Other people have told me they have seen "highly suspect" dogs
at obedience trials.  Just take a bad photo of the dog, send it
in and see what happens!

Seriously, I'm not advocating cheating!  And I agree with you.  
I can see no reason not to let mixed breeds compete, as long as
they're neutered, just like the other ILP dogs.

Ambor shows are NOT the same.  However, Gaines is!  And mixed 
breeds can show there.  The problem, of course, is getting
the scores and titles at sanctioned matches so you can
go to Gaines.

Maybe if we all started innundating the AKC obedience department
with cards and letters, stressing the $$$$ aspect of it!  AKC
does seem to respond to "increased fees."

Another possibility is to REALLY support AMBOR.  Or perhaps UKC
would be more amenable to letting mixes in?

-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney)
Subject: Rottweiler shedding
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:38:14 GMT


     I was just wondering if it's normal for Rottweilers to shed constantly.
I assume so, as his coat looks fine (though he does get dry skin at times).
Our Bullmastiff so far doesn't shed at all, but I gather that will be
seasonal.
     BTW, any suggestions on what to do about his dry skin?  He sometimes
gets pretty sensitive and chews just above his tail, creating occasional
scabs.  :-(

     Thanks,
     Robert

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mark@visix.com (Mark Myers)
Subject: Re: Flame?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:52:40 GMT
Reply-To: mark@visix.com (Mark Myers)
Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia

In article <9301212105.AA22952@waverunner.dcrt.nih.gov>, young@alw.nih.gov writes:

|> Top Ten Flame Bait Subjects:
|> 
|> 1.  Breeding
|> 2.  Mutts vs. Purebreeds
|> 3.  "Animal Rights"
|> 4.  Electronic Training Collars
|> 5.  Dogs on and off lead
|> 6.  Tail Docking 
|> 7.  Ear Cropping
|> 8.  Would you believe:  Kennels 
|> 9.  Breed Bans
|> 10. Mandatory Spay, Neuter bills

One more:

11.  Genetics vs. training/conditioning

-- 
Mark Myers - Visix Software Inc. - 703 758 2725 - mark@visix.com


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From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Is there grass that will survive dogs? (Was: Loose dogs)
Organization: WP Group
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:43:44 GMT

From article <C1A1sy.5M7@portal.hq.videocart.com>, by mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Tony Scott):
> In article <1993Jan21.175144.7575@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>>But do remember that the dog(s) will almost certainly kill all or
>>most of the grass inside if they spend much time there.  And don't
>>forget that they will need some exercize in addition to the little
>>that they will do while confined.
> 
> Speaking of which.  Our back yard lawn is about 70% bare where 
> our dogs go.  I was going to look into getting some sort of 
> "super-grass" for that area.  Does anybody know if *any* natural 
> grass can live in a dog run or is the only choice Astro turf?  
> (..or as some wackos around here have s lawns, concrete painted 
> green...) 

Here are some of my solutions.  They haven't totally eliminated 
problems, but they've reduced them substantially.

-- My two dog pals chase each other over the same "routes" day
   in and day out.   I took some galvanized wire fence material,
   cut off ten foot sections, trimmed off the projecting wire
   ends, and then wired the ends together to make movable cylinders that
   I can use to "block" a particular route, and hence to re-arrange 
   the traffic patterns every week or so.    A half-dozen of these 
   hoops in the yard works wonders when they're stragically placed.

-- I noticed that some parts of the lawn were low, and the low
   spots would accumulate water during rainy weather and wear
   down much quicker than the higher areas, even when they weren't
   subject to heavy traffic.  The solution to this problem was to
   add new topsoil gradually over a period of several years.  Still,
   if it's rained really heavily, I keep the dogs inside or let them
   out one at a time until the water subsides.  Otherwise, romping
   on soggy grass will produce a bare patch in less than an hour 
   that might take weeks to grow back.  [If this happens, the hoops
   mentioned above can protect the area while it's recovering].

-- Finally, I use plenty of fertilizer and check for parasites 
   periodically, etc, etc.  :-)   If the lawn is healthy, it'll
   cope with the pressures with fewer setbacks.

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)
Subject: Re: puppy problems and questions
Organization: Washington State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 05:20:58 GMT

george.t.liu (gtl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
>.....
> my other question is realted to health.  i took the pup to the vet when he
> came home with me, and the vet recommanded to give him his second shots while
> we're there.  at then it was 2 weeks after he had his first shots.  was his 2nd
> too close to the first ones?  and what should i do for him as far as the 
> vaccination concerns.  i was told to give him the third shots when he's 12 
> weeks old and stop.  or give him an extra set of shots when he's 16 weeks old.
> what should i do??  the above options were given by 2 different vets.  and 
> there's no info that i could find on this issue.

I'll let someone else address the behavioral problems.  You need to put a stop
to the biting, and soon.

Regarding the vaccinations, if the puppy is now 10 weeks old, and you had
vaccinations done at 8 weeks of age when you got him, and first shots were at
6 weeks of age, here is another idea:  revaccinate at 11 weeks, 14 weeks
and the final vaccination at 17 weeks.  Our current protocol calls for
puppy vaccinations 3 weeks apart, the first never earlier than 6 weeks, the
last never earlier than 16 weeks.

Puppy vaccinations are done so often because of the unpredictability of when
maternal immunity has subsided enough to allow vaccines to stimulate the
puppy's immune system.  If one waits long enough (3 months) before vaccinating,
maternal immunity will sure enough be minimal, but it could have been so
low as to allow viral or bacterial infection in the meanwhile.  So one
must play it safe with three to five vaccinations.  Timing and time between
doses are as much a function of professional judgement as hard scientific
knowledge.  So you will get a variety of opinions.  Just don't trust the
person who says "Don't bother with vaccinations".

--
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson)
Subject: RE: DQ at working events [ Lure coursing ]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:04:42 GMT



Hi:
I tried to send mail to the original poster but
seemed to send the mail to the wrong person.......

So, the original posting asked about DQ at working events.
Here is more info on qualifications required and
reasons for disqualifications for lure coursing
as given in event premium lists.   Note that there are 2 lure coursing
programs: ASFA and AKC.  I'll note differences as appropriate.
Any corrections are appreciated.  Also if more info is desired,
please send me mail and I'll forward adrress to the editors of the
newsletters for the respective programs. 

Eligible breeds/registry
only Purebred Afgan Hounds, Basenjis, Borzois, Greyhounds,
Ibizan hounds, Irish Wolfhounds, Pharoah Hounds, Rhodesian Ridgebacks,
Salukis, Scottish Deerhounds, and Whippets may be entered.
(FOR ASFA, Rhodesian Ridgebacks have provisional status).
Hounds must be registered with AKC or have ILP.
(for ASFA: also NGA, AKC regnocized foreign registry 
or possess CC from the SCOA).

Qualifications:
All hounds must be 1 yr or older on day of trial.
Bitches in season and lame hounds will be excused.
All hounds will be examined for breed disqualifications.
Spayed, neutered, monochid, and cyrptochid hounds may compete
(However, for AKC, there is a proposal to make monochid and cyrptochid
hounds ineligible.  The proposal was supposed to start 1/1/93 but
I have not heard if this took effect).
Note: included in examination for breed disqualifications is height.
   This is always a point of contention since Whippets are known
   to tense up when the they hear the sound of the lure machine
   and thus will aften be taller and not fit under the whippet wicket.

------
For those who are interested, ASFA - American Sighthound Field
Assoc - is the "grandaddy" of lure coursing and have an an active
program for many years (I think more than 20).  They give 
2 titles to hounds that meet
criteria: F.Ch. - Field Champion and L.C.M. Lure courser of Merit.
Hounds meeting the higher title of L.C.M. more than once get roman numerals
after the title to show this. i.e. LCM III.
These titles come after the name and are *not* recknozed by the AKC.

The AKC program has only been active for a couple of years (<5).  They have
3 titles: F.CH, field champion, JC, Junior Courser, and SC senior
courser.  The hounds must get a JC (or have F.CH. from ASFA) before
they can compete for the SC and then AKC F.CH.
The F.CH. is placed before the dog's name with JC and SC coming
after the name.  If the dog is both a CH and F.CH. they use the notation
of Dual CH.  There is still work being done to understand is
a title superseeds another (i.e. not any rules saying a F.CH can't
have S.C. after the name) 

The criteria for getting these title are 
alittle too long to put in this posting.  But if anyone is interested,
I can post it at a later date.

-- Carol Mount
with Ginger and Strider too...
cjsm@hogpa.att.com
From: lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com (lydia middendorf )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Please! help save this adorable dog from death
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:37:10 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: middendorf@tsd.itg.ti.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: tarsal.dsg.ti.com


please keep us posted on what happens with this dog.


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