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From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: speakers for classical music
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:01:29 GMT
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In article <184883@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com
(Lon Stowell) wrote:
> 
> In article <43291@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes:
> >For all the experts out there:
> >
> >If money were no object, what speakers are the best for
> >listening to classical music?
> >
>     None.  Buy the New York Philharmonic, and put half the musicians
>     on your left and the other half on your right.
> 
>     Better, buy the NYP and the Mormon Tabernacle.  Put them onstage
>     and seat yourself just in front of the rear support pillars.   
> 
>     WAMM's and such would be mid-fi for those with "money no object"
>     budgets...

I still think I'd put the money into good speakers. Consider the
advantages:

* Speakers don't have to be flown in everytime you use them.

* Speakers don't get sick or take vacations.

* Speakers don't belong to a union.

* Speakers are ready at a moment's notice, day or night.

* Speakers have a wider repertoire, and don't need to practice before they
  get it right.

* Speakers don't care what you wear when you listen to them.

* Speakers may be tempermental, but compared to musicians...

Yeah. I'll take the speakers. I didn't even mention the problems you run
into if you try to mount the cellist on Tiptoes, line the bassoonist with
green magic marker, or attempt to put a brick on the conductor's head!

-Kerry
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From: michael@Canada.lsil.com (Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
Subject: Re: Selecting an LD Player
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:32:14 GMT
Reply-To: michael@Canada.lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation of Canada, Inc.

In article 030193230909@128.89.19.85, shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:
>It is not just my personal prejudice, but a simple matter of what it
>means for something to be 'digital': Numbers are numbers. Bits are bits.
>If the same sequence of bits, with the same timing, issues forth from
>the digital output of a transport, then a particular DAC will respond in
>the same way. If the tweeks you've mentioned don't ultimately effect
>this bit stream, *they cannot effect the audio signal*. And there is
>very little for these tweeks to do to the bit stream. Data errors are
>rare, timing is well maintained, and nearly anything that over stresses
>the tracking, timing, or data transfer from a CD will result in
>catastrophic failure, not subtle sonic effects. (This either-everything-
>is-fine-or-it-blows-up character is a common feature of digital systems.)

Has anyone on the net actually taken the digital output from a CD player and
pumped into a home PC and compared the output with and without the "green pen",
the "CD rings", and all of the other "send-your-money-now" add-ons that have
appeared for CDs?  A bit-by-bit comparison would rule out any differences in the
bit-stream using these gadgets, and leave transport related issues adding to
the room noise.

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From: mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Velodynes
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:27:59 GMT
Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD
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What is the effective difference between the Velodyne F-1200 and the ULD-12,
besides the obvious difference in physical form.

I'm thinking about getting one of these two, but am wondering whether
the ULD-12 is worth $300 more.  I haven't been able to hear both of them
in the same place, much less with my speakers. (magnaplanar IIb).

The F1200, has better "ergonomics" being comprised of a single box, rather
than an electronics box & speaker cabinet.   In addition, it has a
continuously variable corner frequency for the low-pass filter, whereas
the ULD 12 requires opening up the box and changing jumpers, I believe.

So, the ULD12 would have to be quite a bit better for me to get it considering.

I listen mostly to classical, but my roomates don't always do so.

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From: oliver@smectos.gang.umass.edu (David Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: digital radio
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:22:51 GMT
Organization: Center for Geometry Analysis Numerics and Graphics (GANG)

Can anyone point me to information on "digital radio".  A (TV) cable company
in my region is offering a 19-channel "digital radio" subscription, but the
customer service types have NO technical information?

Thanks, 


dave oliver
From: pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: PURIST DIGITAL CABLE
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:49:01 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

mike@banana.fedex.com (Mike Bearden) writes:
>      FOR SALE: Purist Audio Design Digital Cable -----    $165

>      This is a great bargain on a great digital cable.  Two friends
>      of mine and I prefer this digital cable over the XLO and the
>      Aural Symphonics Digital Standard.  

Perhaps you should invest the money salvage from this sale into a
digital system design course.  What you will learn will save you from
being ripped-off again by so-called 'better' digital cables.  Ditto for
your two friends. The phenomenon is called 'groupthink'. It also explains
why crowds have a mental age of about 4. :-)

Digitally yours,

-Pascal
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: neidorff@uicc.com (Bob Neidorff)
Subject: remote extender
Originator: neidorff@makore.uicc.com
Organization: Unitrode Integrated Circuits Corp., Merrimack, NH
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:10:57 GMT



I just read in a DAMARK catalog that they are selling a
"REMEX Klone/BC" Remote control extender for $29.99 delivered.  
This seems like a copy of the remote pyramid contraption that
others have discussed recently.  It seems awful cheap.  It is
also a two piece which receives IR from your remote control
and broadcasts it somehow to another box which sends the
IR back to the component being controlled.  

I don't know how good it is.  I never tried it.  I don't know
the brand.  I haven't dealt with DAMARK.  Your mileage may vary...

In USA call 800-729-9000 for more information if you are interested.

If anyone owns one or buys one, I assume that the newsgroup would
like to hear your experiences.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: yiky@bcarh29a (YikHon Yu)
Subject: NAD 2100 or Adcom GFA-545II/555II
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:06:30 GMT

Hi,

I am considering getting a different power amp. Either
a pair of NAD 2100s (in bridged mode) or an Adcom GFA-545II/555II.
I have not listened to the NAD but it was well liked by TAS and
Stereophile reviewers (in bridged mode). I was not impressed with the
Adcom GFP565/GFA-545II combo driving the KEF C55s (the Mission
Cyrus I sounded much better driving the KEFs), but I heard good
things said about Adcom amps in the two mags and on the net.

My current system:

   CDP:      Denon DCD1520
   Pre:      Luxman C-03
   Power:    Luxman M-02 (150 wpc)
   Speakers: Celestion SL6S with 18" Si stands (leadshot filled)
   Cables:   StraightWire LaserLink and LSI interconnects
             Monster Cable Powerline 3 speaker cables

I listen mostly to jazz, classical, and pop music.
I wonder is anyone on the net using the above power amps to
drive their Celestion SL6Ss (or is anyone using these speakers
at all :-)) and what do they think of them.. If I get the Adcom,
I'll propably upgrade the pre-amp to the GFP-565 eventually.

Also, is anyone using the Vandersteen (Sp?) IB loudspeakers? Are
they any better than the Celestions?

Many thanks,
Yik

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ytl@philabs.philips.com (Ying Tat Leung)
Subject: Muse amplifier and tube preamplifier
Originator: ytl@pooh
Reply-To: ytl@philabs.philips.com (Ying Tat Leung)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:12:05 GMT


I remember some time ago some netter posted that there is a shop
that sells the Muse 100 for $899 (or some such).  Could that person
post or email to me the name and number of that shop?  I'm looking to 
buy a 100 at a good price.  Stereophile's classified ad has two demo
100 for sale but when I called they're "sold" (well, we have them at
the regular price).

To Muse 100 owners:  what kind of preamp do you use with the 100?
I'm thinking of using a tube preamp with it, specifically the AVA
Super PAS 3, as this is the most affordable tube preamp I can find.
The other one in the same price point is the Dynaco PAS 3 MkII.  Does
anyone have first hand experience with it?  How does such tube stuff
match with the Muse 100?  I appreciate any suggestion, tube or solid
state.  My speakers are Acoustic Energy AE1.

Thanks folks.

Regards,
Ying
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Wanted to know bi-amp speakers advantages
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:45:04 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I think there may be another advantage to bi-amping.  I have
not done enough research to be sure of it, however.

The output of the low-pass section of the active crossover
will probably have a lower crest factor than the unfiltered
broadband audio signal.  Of course, the low-pass filter reduces
the RMS value of the signal, but I think it has the potential to
reduce the peak amplitude by a greater amount.  The reduced crest
factor would keep the peaks in the LF power amplifier farther from
clipping.

The outpt of the high-pass section of the active crossover would
probably have the same (or higher) crest factor as the broadband
audio signal.  But the peaks would not be riding on LF signal
swings so that their absolute amplitude is reduced.

So the advantage I see is that both amplifiers operate with greater
headroom (a hopefully correct usage of the word "headroom" even
though it is not an amplifier specification in this context).
This may be another way of saying that the IMD is reduced.

I think it is true that two 20-Watt amplifiers in a bi-amp system
can produce more clean power than a single 40-Watt amplifier
driving the same speakers though a passive crossover (even a 
lossless passive crossover!)

Tom Matthews
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Subject: Sony CDP-C69ES sounds lousy
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:15:24 GMT

I just "auditioned" a Sony CDP-C69ES (one of the ES line CD changers).
I figured it would be better than my cheapo Pioneer.  What a bummer!
I started fresh with the ES, and I immediately noticed a lack of
clarity.  The sound seemed mushy with a preponderance of bass (maybe
they crank up the bass responce to make it sound "richer").  Wondering
if it was just my ears, I plugged in my old Pioneer.  It had a realism
I had never noticed (especially with classical music).  I was pretty
shocked, but I gave it another hour of A/B testing, and there was no
question which was more pleasing (not the ES).  Needless to say, it
goes back to the store tomorrow.

Perhaps Sony is trying to get away with passe sound by giving people
the DSP stuff.  In any case, I expected more from the "ES" line.

						Joe

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Portable CD player features
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:00:43 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I am interested in getting a new portable CD player.  Some of the things
I want this time around, in order of importance:

	1) couple second memory buffer (I believe Sony calls this ESP)
	2) "pick-up where I left off when I last stopped the player"
	3) random/shuffle play
	4) All 3 power options (battery, AC, or cigarette lighter)
	5) full-featured display (number of tracks, elapsed time,
                                  time remaining)
	6) digital out
	7) Digital domain eq
	8) fm radio

I have a D-160 (the first Sony Car Discman) and it doesn't have any of these.
Its lasted 3.5 years so far, but I am getting tired of it and really want
something with better sound quality than this old 2x, brickwall player.

Does anybody know of any models (Sony or other) that have *all* of these
features?

(If you are going to recommend something that doesn't have all of them, then be
sure to tell me which it does have.)

If so, how much?  What is the D/A like? (8X?, 1 Bit MASH?, other?)

What of the above is the Sony D515 missing?

Thanks for any and all info,
--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
From: cs176wag@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (Peggy Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Tape Deck Shopping
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:42:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


Sorry for taking up space like this but I need some no nonsense 
advice about getting new decks.  I hope to spend no more than $500
on the pair.  The Nak DW-3 has been recommended but I don't know
anything about it/them (Nak).  I was considering the Denon 710 
'cause I've been told I should go with 3 heads.  I wanted to get 
a dubbing deck but I've been told they're not worth it.  If you can
help me out w/ your $.02, I'd really appreciate it!  Please repsond
by e-mail.  Thanks in advance.

peggy
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:39:42 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <shetline-060193111942@128.89.19.85> shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:
>
>Not understanding the technology makes it easier. There is much more room
>for "magic" that way. But sometimes I think partial understanding is even
>more dangerous. Yes, sometimes a 0 that is supposed to be 0 volts is 0.2
>volts, and a 1 that is supposed to be 5 volts is only 4.7, but that does
>not change the way digital devices respond to the information. Bits are
>still bits. This is the kind of thing, however, that some people will try
>to attribute nonsensical claims to.
>
    Yeah, a LITTLE knowledge can be really dangerous.  Particularly
    when you expose it on the 'net.

    Most commercial circuits I know of a 0 is at least 0.7 volts or
    more...as that's the saturation of silicon.  And if things were
    as perfect as you said, and there is no such thing as rise time
    problems, then all those Schmitt triggers and stuff must be due
    to hallucinations, right?

    And modems REALLY don't need Trellis coding...group delay
    distortion is just a myth after all.  And manchester coding is
    really unnecessary, as after all everybody knows that a 1 is a 1
    and a 0 is a 0.  And PLL clock recovery circuits are a total waste
    of time as they are never necessary.  And jitter buffers are a
    marketing gimmick designed to raise the price of LAN cards.

    Gimme a break.  And PLEASE don't design any LAN interfaces....

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: prater-ethan@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU (Ethan Evan Prater)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Mail order equipment dealers?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:37:55 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu


I apologize if this question is too obvious to most of you, but are there
any good mail order dealers of midline stereo equipment? My system was
ruined when the ceiling leaked, so I am looking to buy new components. I
would prefer to find someplace other than the high-priced local stores. I
don't want anything super top of the line or anything, just typical
components.

Thanks a lot for any input.

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: garyp@rmtc.unisys.com (Gary Palangian [RMTC/ISP])
Subject: How Hear This Opinions
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:56:16 GMT



Hey Now Everybody,

    I would like to hear opinions on Now Hear This speakers, subwoofers,
and amplifiers.


Thanks,


Gary P.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation


    [ LET THE FLAMES BEGIN.....]

In article <C0CEJH.82o@CAM.ORG> pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin) writes:
>palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:
>>Stereo Review believes there are no audible differences between competently
>>built preamps, amplifiers, CD players, and cables (plus most tweaks). I would
>>be shocked if they ever claimed to here any differences among these compo-
>>nents.
>
>Finally someone that understands what digital audio is all about.
>
>You see, CD is very simple. 16bit audio samples (linear) played back
>at 44.1Khz. Now, each 16bit value corresponds to a particular voltage
>level, which makes the sound we hear.  As long as the D/A converter is
>linear, the sound will be essentially perfect.

   Of course you make the verrrrrrry mistaken assumption that there
   is ANY real-world device which comforms to theory.  

>
>As for those of you buying $1000+ CD players, I'm afraid you are getting
>taken for a big, expensive ride.
>
   They might just have decent analog interfaces and might even
   sound a bit different than a $29 K-Mart special...


>It's like buying a Compaq 486 whatever vs. buying a quality clone. Once
>the system is set up, SOFTWARE is SOFTWARE and will perform identically
>on both computers.  The guy with the Compaq is getting a better casing
>and potentially a better warranty. He's got a computer that's better
>built, but NOT one that performs better.
>
   While it is PERFORMING maybe, but what about ability to continue
   to perform in the presence of power line noise, dust, vibration,
   etc.  

   And maybe one PC just happens to have a better focus on the CRT
   so your eyes don't water so much at the end of the day.....


>Speakers, on the other hand, are mechanical devices (like hard drives) that
>will greatly vary in quality based on price.
>
   I hate to burst your bubble, but PC's DO vary greatly in quality,
   although like CD players it isn't necessarily related to
   price...although cheap PC's look about as bad and perform about
   as unreliably as cheap players...

>If anyone has scientific blind tests proving otherwise, please post them,
>I'm very curious.
>
   Never worked in a QA department, vendor qualification dept, or
   service department, huh?

    
Newsgroups: rec.audio,news.answers
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:52:05 EST
From: Jeff Dubin <JDUBIN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Reducing interference into receiver

I'm living under a 50kW antenna and get a LOTTA noise from it (I also live very
close to about 5 other towers...) through receivers, portable stereos, amps,
etc. etc.  Anyway to cut this down without putting it in a lead box?
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From: tvtjet@eua.ericsson.se (Jorgen Eriksson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:27:03 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

YKWON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (415) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.012705.7136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(trygve lode) says:
>>
>>Well, this isn't exactly scientific, but I did do a single-blind test
>>years ago when I picked up a Magnavox CDB-650 to replace an early-80's
>>Sony CD player.  (My brother had copies of the same CDs that I did,
>>which made AB and ABX testing much easier.)  I didn't have the most
>>impressive stereo around back then, but I recall getting somewhere in
>>the neighborhood of a 100% score in being able to guess which was which.
>>
>>Trygve

>Quite similar experience I had a few years ago; since my old
>mid-80's Pioneer CD player was beginning to show some skipping problems,
>I brought home a (then) new NAD 5425 CD player ($300) and tried a
>comparison.  As my roommate had many CD's which are the same copies of
>what I had, it was easy to set up the test. I just switched between the
>two CD's of exactly same kind in two different players. The sound difference
>was subtle but unmistakeably clear.

>This is just one more data point to this debate.

>-Youngjoon

Yeah, this reminds me of the time i bought my REGA
integrated amp. At first we tried it at work on a
friends very simple system. A NAD casette deck, some
old B&O speakers. First we listened to hes old NAD 3020.
Sounded good. But when we plugged in my REGA things started
to happen ! It was a difference like between night and day.
Everything was brighter and more well defined. The music
was much more enjoyable. Bass improved. The old NAD 3020 sounded
very dull and boring. All people gathered around the system
was very impressed. Not to mention the thrills i experienced
back home, wow !
 
And some people think all amps/CD/casette decks/turntables/
cables/whatever sounds all the same...
Well if they are pleased with this point of view,
it's fine by me. I know what i think...
 
        Best regards,
                Jorgen