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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: OZ round 12
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:28:02 GMT


	Howdy pardners, how's about a juicy side o' leaaaaaan Soccer
reesults from Austrayliar?
	Oh and before I go on with this weeks results (sponsored by
Texas Beef - we make 'em bigger an' better) just a note to the guy from
Holland who asked me about the Youth Squad. I'm sorry because 1. I lost
your E-Mail address and 2. because I can't scrape the information together
just now. I hate to disappoint people who actually show an interest in 
Aussie soccer (although he is probably just making sure not too many of
the Olyroos which put Holland out of the Games are in the team) but I will
try to give you all more information on the squad once the final line-up
is chosen.

	Round 12					Crowd
	--------					-----

	Morwell		3 - Heidelberg		1	2100
	(R Tomboloto 49)    (A Goulzioulis 68)
	(B Wright 52)
	(S Becvinovski 77)

	Marconi		6 - West Adelaide 	2	3706
	(G Jolevski 12)     (J Iriarte 22, 45)
	(A Harper 20)
	(S Corica 35)
	(K Taliadouros 67)
	(D Iocca 81)
	(T McCulloch 94)

	Preston 	5 - Brisbane		1	5000
	(G Lozanovski 25)   (C Koch 44)
	(V Trpcevski 35)
	(J Markovski 41, 86)
	(S Najdovski 64)

	Parramatta	3 - Adelaide City	1	2620
	(P Foster 59)       (C Veart 34)
	(M Soper 62)
	(A Genc 63)

	Sydney CSC	1 - Wollongong 		0	1923
	(T Krslovic 80)

	South Melbourne	3 - Sydney Olympic	1	5000
	(F Awaritefe 51)    (Z Arambasic 43)
	(P Trimboli 65)
	(M Petersen 80)


	Melbourne CSC and Newcastle still with a game to play.

			W 	D	L	F	A	Pts

Marconi-Fairfield	8	0	4	22	15	24
South Melbourne		7	2	3	18	11	23
West Adelaide		7	2	3	26	20	23
Parramatta Eagles	7	2	3	18	15	23
Sydney CSC		7	1	4	17	12	22
Wollongong City	Wolves	5	4	3	15	10	19
Adelaide City		5	3	4	12	12	18
Melbourne CSC		5	2	4	19	14	17
Sydney Olympic		4	2	6	14	18	14
Morwell Falcons		3	4	5	13	16	13
Heidelberg United	1	6	5	11	20	 9
Newcastle Breakers	1	5	5	 5	10	 8
Brisbane United		2	1	9	12	27	 7
Preston			2	4	6	15	17	 6

Note: Preston had 4 points deducted by the CCSL for Crowd disturbances
      in the last season.

			Thomas the Tank Engine
			aka Algor

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From: melton@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Melton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele --> PELE OF COURSE!
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:41:46 GMT
Reply-To: melton@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Melton)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.soccer, cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.094829.26581@ugle.unit.no> pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar
> Sandaune) writes:
>
>Pele became world champion at age 17, and tripple champion for a country
>where soccer is not a sport, but a passion and a life style.
>Talk about pressure. That pressure made a diamond out of him, and it will
>take much more than a Maradona to shine as bright as he does.
>

Well Maradona almost became world champion in 1978 at about the same
age as Pele. He got cut from the team a couple of months before the
tournament started becouse Menotti thought he was to young to handle
the pressure at home.  Brasil did not win the world cup in 1958 in Sweeden
just because of Pele, Brasil had a very talented team.

By the way, soccer (futbol) is as much a passion and life style in Argentina
as it is in Brasil.

Have a good one!

Bill.

P.S.  By the way comparing players as good as these two is pointless.
Both were/are among the greatest to play the sport.  I'm thankful that
I got a chance to see both of them play!
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From: TSAKETO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Greek League Results (12/23/92)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 16:20:54 GMT

 
Results 12/23/92 (Games played on Wed. due to the holidays)
 
     DAY 15
 
IRAKLIS       AEK         1 - 1
OLYMPIAKOS    APOLLON     5 - 2
PANATHINAIKOS ATHINAIKOS  2 - 0
IONIKOS       DOXA        1 - 2
LARISA        OFI         1 - 1
XANTHI        PANAHAIKI   2 - 0
ARIS          PAOK        1 - 2
EDESSAIKOS    KORINTHOS   1 - 4
KALAMARIA     PIERIKOS    3 - 1
 
 
STANDINGS
 
 
                   POINTS  W   D   L  GOAL
 
     1  AEK  ATHENS   39  12   3   0  39  11
   ==================================================
     2  OLYMPIAKOS    34  10   4   1  29   9
     3  PAO           30   9   3   3  34  11
     4  OFI           28   8   4   3  27  11
     5  IRAKLIS       27   8   3   4  24  19
     6  ARIS          23   7   2   6  21  18
     7  PAOK          23   7   2   6  23  19
     8  LARISA        20   5   5   5  13  14
     9  DOXA          20   5   5   5  21  24
    10  XANTHI        19   5   4   6  19  29
    11  PANAHAIKI     18   5   3   7  20  23
    12  APOLLON       17   5   2   8  15  26
    13  EDESSAIKOS    15   4   3   8  22  39
    14  ATHINAIKOS    13   2   7   6  13  20
    15  KORINTHOS     12   2   6   7  13  30
    16  KALAMARIA     12   2   6   7  11  22
    17  IONIKOS       12   3   3   9  13  23
    18  PIERIKOS       8   1   5   9  14  28
 
 
 
  tsaketo@cms.cc.wayne.edu
  tsaketo@waynest1.bitnet
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From: manoel@eng.umd.edu (Manoel Gomes Mendonca)
Subject: Re: Soccer on satellite
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:51:47 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Dec21.162631.26352@wam.umd.edu> waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach) writes:
>Yesterday afternoon, SBS6 had the Brasilian championship match, 
>Sao Paulo - Palmeiras. I caught only the 2nd half and saw Palmeiras
>score late into the half. However, Sao Paulo won the match and over
>200,000 fans went crazy as the all the players mobbed Tele Santana
>at the end of the game.
>
>I think the stadium was Maracana, but not sure because it looked rather
>clean and new.
>
>-Dave
>

	I will make some corrections in this mail only to inform a
little about Brazilian soccer.
	The championship won by Sao Paulo was the Sao Paulo State
Championship.  Brazil has 26 (?) states and all of them have
championships in the second semester of the year. All these states
have between 10 to 20 clubs competing. The more competitives states
are Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul.
Some examples of teams from those states are:

	Sao Paulo: Sao Paulo(*), Santos, Palmeiras, Corinthians
	Rio: Flamengo, Vasco (*), Fluminense, Botafogo
	Minas: Cruzeiro (*), Atletico Mineiro
	Rio Grande do Sul: Gremio, Internacional(*)

	The teams with the star(*) are IMHO the best in the country
today.

	Besides those Cups we have:
	- the Copa do Brasil: a small cup to decide one of the
	Brazilian teams in the Libertadores.
	- Campeonato Brasileiro: the true Brasilian Championship
	played in the first semester of the year.
	 

	The game between Sao Paulo and Palmeiras was played in Morumbi
stadium. This stadium fits a little bit more than 100,000 people. I
think this is a better bet to this game audience. Maracana is in
Rio de Janeiro state, where Vasco should win this year.

Cheers,

	Manoel Mendonca
From: johnst@informix.com (John Straker )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: HOPELESS JOKES?
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:16:53 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.181743.10730@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>  Why is it that at ever soccer match I have ever been to, there 
>are always hundreds of HOPELESS JOKES who start leaving the game
>with about 10-15 minutes to go? Have they all got urgent lobotomy
>appointments at 5.30pm? F**KWITS!! It's not just limited to crap
>games (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) or supporters of a team 2 or 3 goals
>down (i.e Arse-NIL v anyone) either. I mean, 15 minutes in the 
>away end at Hillsborough is 2.33 quid! I can't believe it's just
>to get out before the "rush" at the end & guarantee getting an
>early bus. Wow! They might get home 25 minutes earlier. What are
>they going to do? Is "blind date" that good?!
>
>  Does this happen in other parts of the world or what?
>
>     Jim
>
>P.S - I bet Norwich fans don't do it any more. JAMMY GITS!!

I Agree....We have the same problem in non-league football where supporters
start leaving before the final whistle. We had a situation where at Woking v's
Nuneaton in the FA Cup First Round Proper, Woking were 2 : 1 behind and some
of our supporters were leaving 5 minutes before the end of the game.

The fact is that those who were left saw an amazing turn around when Woking
scored 2 goals to take us to the next round. The scenes were reminiscent of
the games at West Brom and Everton two seasons ago. Therefore, the lesson here
is not pre-judge the result until the final whistle has blown, or you may 
miss the best part of the match!


Regards

John

Ps. Good Luck to the Seagulls! "Lucky B'stards"
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:33:38 IST
From: Anthony Waller <P85014@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Real top 10 National teams,clubs and players

In article <mikec.724716273@unixg.ubc.ca>, mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael
Cherkassoff) says:
>
>The best ten players:
.....
>10.Gennadii Perepadenko("???", previously "Spartak" Moscow)

  I think he now plays in the Israeli league along with another
20 or so foreigners, mostly from East-European countries.  Some
that I remember are goalkeepers Alexander Obarov and Viktor Chanov;
others are Ivan Getzko, Igor Shgvirin, Vlasilav Sokristov,
Vadim Tishenko, Alexander Polakarov and Nikolai Kodritzki.

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Israel.
From: dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English 28 Dec. results please
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:04:36 GMT
Organization: sdsu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mathfp10.sdsu.edu

Sorry to request this, but when you good chaps who post the
English Premier results return to your terminals from the
holidays, could you post the results from Monday 28th Dec.
please? Thanks!
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Coming vote for R.S.S. Player of the year (information)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 09:56:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

    Remember, this is NOT a call for vote, it's an information!

    I have come up with the idea that we in rec.sport.soccer should hold
    our own Player of the Year vote annualy.

    I'm planning to use the format used by France Football for their vote.
    I.e. each person votes for five players.

    Voting period: I will start to count votes received after the 1st
    of January, 0000 MET. And the period will end the 31st of January at 2400
    MET.

    Results:
    The player who got most points will receive a diploma from R.S.S.
    with our logo etc, Russell Campbell will work on this one.
    I also propose that we send our result to some of the more famous 
    football (soccer) magazines:
    France Football
    World Soccer
    Kicker
    Ideas for additions?

    Anyone who wants to write a letter which we can send to these magazines and
    the selected player? Explaining what R.S.S. is etc?

    Votetaker:
    I'll take the vote for 1993, BUT
    I'M LOOKING FOR A VOTETAKER FOR 1994, PLEASE anyone volunteer!!!
    If this idea should work this needs to be ANNUALY and I'm not sure
    I will have net access by then.

    Restrictions:
    To not get too much bias, each voter will only be allowed to include
    two players from the same country. Furthermore, only votes with five
    players in order will be counted, all votes should be sent to me by
    E-mail during the voting period, all other votes are illegal.

    I will try to post one call each week.

Kent (dvlkhh@cs.umu.se)
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From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Soccer News
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:52:37 GMT

Hi everybody,

Hope everyone had a good holiday season.

As I promised last time, I found out all the names of the US players who were
tendered contracts by the USSF as the US for the first time will live and
train together at one site in California.

The players are as follows:

Tony Meola
Des Armstrong
Marcelo Balboa
John Doyle
Dominic Kinear
Jan Machallik
Brian Quinn
Peter Vermes
Brad Friedel
Cobi Jones
Joe Max Moore
Mike Burns
Mike Lapper
Marc Chung
Mike Sorber
Jean Harbor.


Fernando Clavijo, Paul Caliguiri, Chris Henderson, and Bruce Murray are already
signed through September of 1993.

I have not got any confirmation of anyone signing with the USSF as of yet.
In fact, I read on the net that Brad Friedel has been offered a contract with
Nottingham Forrest in England's Premeir Division.  I also know that, at the
very least, Harbor and Moore are looking into opportunities overseas.  So
there will probably be a couple of openings for other players to get contracts
from the USSF.

Conviently all contracts will be up by September of 1993 when it is assumed 
that Bora will choose his final team.  This worries me a little after reading
an article about Tab Ramos in Soccer International where he confesses his
worries that he and his European mates will not be available to train with
the US until after May of 1994.  Tab gives the impresssion that because of this
he might not play in WC 1994.  This just leaves me kind of scratching my head.
Soccer International gives the impression that it is up to the USSF to buy back
their best six or so players so that they can train together for three months
before WC 1994.  I have no idea where they will get this money except to go
into hauck until after the WC and pray that the players that they bought play
well enough so that some teams will buy them back.  This is all very strange
to me.  I expected Tab, Harksy, Eric, Roy, Thomas, and Kasey to come back
some time in May of 1994 and see what they can pull together in the month
before the Cup.  Maybe I'm stoned but I would rather see these guys out their
with a little practice than Michallik, Kinnear, Armstrong, Meola, Vermes and
Murray with a full year of practice playing together.

Claudio Reyna has been awarded the Player of the Year in College soccer.


Andy
From: rich_b@sn4402.oldham.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten CLUB sides
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:42:20 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors

In article <AJGAM.92Dec22094631@sabrina.inesc>, ajgam@sabrina.inesc (Antonio ted would give any of the mentioned teams a good run this year,
> 
|>   Those weren't my choices any way , but if you say that Liverpool or
|> Manchester United have a place in the top-ten teams , so does Benfica
|> , 5 or 6 times in the Champions Final , 2 wins , that isn't a team to
|> put out of it ... and i do belive that Juve and Milan aren't that slow
|> , Milan against IFK Gotenburg showed that ... 
|> 
|> 
|>   And i still don't like english soccer ....
|> --
|> 
Lots of stuff deleted...

By Inter Milan I was referring to Internazionale, not AC Milan.  From the
Italian footie I have seen this season AC Milan , and Lazio for that matter, have looked FAR better than any English club side this season.  Hopefully
the live broadcast of Italian games will teach our lot something about
skill and imagination.

Who are Benfica?  Aren't they the team that George Best and co. took apart
a few years ago?

Rich
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Brazil is Number One? (was: Brazil 3 X 1 Germany)
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:48:38 GMT
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.

dz@cotton.ivanovo.su writes:
>
>                         (...) And I good remember what before any
>WC too many people say what Brazil Is Number One! ...Is Champion! ...etc
>But I Don't remember any victory of this Team... You can see it:
>
>1974 1. Germany    2. Holland   3.  ...
>1978 1. Argentina  2. Holland   3. Brazil (boring play from defense)
>1982 1. Italy      2. Germany   3. Poland (Good Brazil' Show and nothing)
>1986 1. Argentina  2. Germany   3. France ( - - - - - also - - - - - - -)
>1990 1. Germany    2. Argentina 3. Italy  (Nothing! Very very Poor!)
>
>Today is 1992... More then 15(!) Years and... Brazil is Champion???!!!
>No. Have not good results in table above, sorry.

I think you've exaggerated a little.  From 1958 to 1978 Brazil was
always among the top 4 (except in 1966).  In the last three editions
of the World Cup they indeed never gone too far, mainly due to bad
luck in decisive moments.  In 1982 Brazil played quite well, defeated
Russia, Scotland, N.Zealand and Argentina, 13:3 on aggregate, but
surprisingly lost 2:3 to Italy in the decisive game.  In 1986 Brazil
won also 4 games in a row (with Spain, Algeria, N.Ireland and Poland),
but lost to France in quarterfinals by penalty kicks.  In 1990 again
Brazil won the 1st round group with Costa Rica, Scotland and Sweden
(3 wins in a row), but incredibly lost to Argentina 0:1 in 1/8 finals
after a game they more than deserved to win.

Maybe Brazil is currently not champion, but it never stopped being
a world top team.

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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Rule suggestion: free kick delayed until the ball is lost
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:12:34 GMT

: There is a clause in the laws of the game that specifically directs the ref 
: to not call a foul if, in his opinion, he is satisfied that doing so would 
: result in giving the advantage to the offending team. This means that should 
: a team keep the ball and have a viable opportunity to continue without 
: letting the defense get set-up the ref should allow play to continue. 
: However, MOST players will not allow the referee to do so. They will argue 
: that the foul should be called and create such problems for the referee that 
: he will call many things that don't need to be called.
: 
: Refs are taught to never sacrifice game control for the sake of allowing the 
: "advantage clause". Given the current attitudes of players that usually 
: translates into not applying this clause at all. Sigh.

  I'm finding that everytime someone gets bumped and falls down - players,
  parents, coaches want a foul called - not matter that it was a fair 
  challenge - or there was nothing to call - or I intended to allow advantage.

  I read somewhere (I forget who it was - have to look it up) about how to
  call 'advantage':

  "Allow advantage if you think a goal is going to be scored.  Therefore,
   you should allow advantage more often in the attacking third of the
   field, less often in the middle third, and rarely in the defending third.
   Avoid giving advantage in the opening moments of the game - to establish
   your control of the game.  Always allow advantage if you think a goal is
   going to be scored.  Never allow advantage for serious foul play or a 
   serious injury."



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are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first.
From: timk@bjcong.bj.co.uk (TIM KENNEDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sea Dog Wonderland - Scarborough
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:10:10 GMT
Reply-To: timk@bjcong.UUCP (TIM KENNEDY)
Organization: Boldon James Limited (UK)

Scarborough take on York,  the much vaunted champions-elect and
of course the famous red and whites thoroughly maul the bastards
winning 4-2!!!

Darren Foreman got a hat-trick,  he now goes to the top of the leading
scorers in Div 3.  Boro are strongly challenging at the top now.  Is
this the worst defeat Boro have inflicted on Pork since the year 900
when Sea Dogs first invaded.

York must be doubted now as promotion prospects.  Scarborough are of
course Yorkshire's number two.  (After Leeds of course).  The next
victim is to be Arsenal  in the next round of the Coca Cola Can .

Eat your hat Al Doggett!

			Sea Dog
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From: msdloem@cs.vu.nl (Loemban Tobing MSD)
Subject: Re: San Marco
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:31:24 GMT

Stefano Tine' (tine@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: In article <BzpMEJ.6Eq@sci.kun.nl>, bartjan@sci.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:
: > I just read that Marco is not able to play for 3 months from now!
: > Check your local newspaper for the reasons.
: > 
: > Bart-Jan.

: Yeah, that is true.
: It is something that makes me hope for tonight's match:
:  
:     SAMPDORIA - MILAN  (Genova, 20:30 local time)

: even if his substitute, Papin, is scary too.
: However, it must be said that Van Basten did never make strong shows
: against Sampdoria: he just scored one goal against the genovese team
: in all this years he is in Italy. That is because Vierchwood was always
: able to stop him.

: Let's see what happens (I will see this match live on TV!)
It just ended: 
	SAMPDORIA - MILAN
		1 - 2
Milan extended the lead over no. 2 ( Fiorentina ) to 8 points with only 13
matches played !
I think the Serie A is becoming a bit uninteresting ( that is, if you want
a competition where more than one team has a realistic chance of winning the
championship. )
Also, I thought the level of play was not that impressive, apart from some
short periods of time eg. when Rijkaard passed the ball to Gullit who scored.
However, this is just MHO !

btw. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year !

: bye, Stefano

Martin.
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