From: mhi@wet.UUCP (Philip E. Murphy)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: More Child Molestors for Christ
Summary: the moral brown shirts ride again
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:49:24 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco


Phil Ronzone writes:


   >1. We are "put here" with but one goal -- to seek happiness. All the world's
   >religions (Chritian, Moslem, Communisn/Socialism, Eco fascism) that tell
   >you otherwise ("ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you
   >can do for your country" -- J. "Benito" Kennedy) are full of shit and
   >basically are seeking your submission to their needs for their
   >aggrandisement.

**** Phil Ronzone again misses the point by a light year through ignorance ****
We are an evolutionary accident - not put here to achieve happiness.  Any
thing we achieve or become is based on our ability to build political systems
that allow for technological growth.  This has been true since the greeks.
Even the Catholic Church acknowledges evolution.

>
   >You keep asking me WHY I have the opinions I do. You keep bringing rationality
   >into it. Why?
   >
   >A. Guys butt fucking each other is unnatural.
   >B. We have evolved to sexually couple male/female.
   >C. The anus is not designed for sexual intercourse.
   >D. Homosexuality in other species, such as rats, is only observed in
   >   pathological conditions.
   >E. And so on ...

Lets examine Phil's post.
      "A" is only correct for a minority of homosexuals.  Gay men and women
have many different ways of intimacy.  Your anger betrays your ignorance.

      "B" is correct

      "C" is not necessarily correct.  Although its design is for expulsion of
feces, in Africa and some South American countries it is the preferred method
of birth control.

      "D" is only true in that homosexual activity (i.e. sex) that can be ob-
served may be traced to overcrowding etc.  We have no way of determining other
forms of animal homosexual feeling.

      "E" and so on allows me to babble.  Rationality and love have never been
quanitified or qualitized like some equation or formula.  Whenever you (Phil)
or Clayton site your anger toward people that are different you take the
exceptions YOU encounter in the press or scientific world and make it the rule.
This was done by the NAZI's or many right wing juntas to justify police action.
Throughout history exceptions have been used to make drastic change.


Again and again both you and Clayton try to blame pedophilia and every other
societal problem on homosexuals.  I agree that NAMBLA should not be given
a place in GAY parades, but it is the few that organize the parades and not
the whole gay community.  Homosexuals do not coerce children.  Homosexuals are
an integral part of our society that has created our society along with
heterosexuals.  If a person is fired simply because the employer does not want
homosexuals in his/her workplace, then that is a problem that may need legis-
lation.  You can use the false argument that it is there right - but most
large companies have stipulations in their purchasing agreements and business
agreements already that they will NOT do business with companies that di-
scriminate.  In places where homosexuals or any other group is discriminated
against it is the right of people to ensure their rights.  Both parties in
Colorado have the right to enact laws.  Every person in this country also has
to moral obligation to change laws that discriminate.

You (Phil) would say that Homosexuality is not a basis for discrimination
to be given the same weight as skin color, religion etc.., but the point is
when a behavior or belief is simply used to terminate the employment of an
employee because the employer feels uncomfortable, then that is wrong.  It
could be a person with MS, a person with a strong accent or whatever.  Society
is based upon diversity.  The Japanese on the west coast to the Rockies had
their successful business's and homes taken away because people wanted their
business - this was legislated.  Irish were barred from jobs in San Francisco
in the 1920's.

Unfortunately hatred is a learned trait.  If it were genetic it could be ex-
punged from society. It is obvious that you (Phil) have never wanted to learn
what homosexuals are as people.  And you seem to attack only gay men.  I have
worked with Filipino men who never got raises or promotions.  I have worked
with women that have never gotten pay raises or promotions.  It is still a
white-mans world out there.  Discrimination is a tool of the worried and the
coward.

>I believe Gennifer Flowers.
>

And I believe Anita Hill


Phil Murphy
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