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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:53:55 GMT
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Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Aug25.180202.11797@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander) writes:
>And the concept of strongest division...it changes from year to year...
>depends a lot on injuries, etc.  I agree...get off it!  It's old! 


Does it? 2 years ago everybody liked the Eagles and the Skins in the
NFC East, so the Giants won the Superbowl. Last year it was the Eagles
and the Giants, so the Skins won the superbowl. This year, alot of
people like Dallas, and the Skins, Giants, and Eagles all are pretty
highly rated too. Thats 4 teams who could realistically win it all if
you believe the experts(I like Dallas but they won't go all the way\
this year, still too young).

Seems to me the East has been #1 for a couple of years at least now.




Russ Smith
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From: hilz@cs.arizona.edu (Eric J. Hilz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos/Cowboys stats
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:18:29 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <BtJuCw.BwF@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) writes:
>Can anyone who saw the Denver/Dallas game give me an idea of how 
>the game went beyond the score? How did Shawn Moore look for Denver?
>Or the entire Bronco offense, since they only scored three points.
>
>Peter Brown
>
>-- 

As far as I know, Moore did not even play and if he did, he didn't throw
any passes.  The Bronco offense did edge the Dallas O in time of possession.
Most of the sacks came against the second team under Maddox.  Other than that,
I don't know. I didn't actually see the game.

A 'Boys diehard,
Eric Hilz


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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:40:32 GMT

drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann) writes:
> Wait a minute, here.  Look up a few lines.  "Screw you.  But no offense." :-)

     Wow.  You Texans really *aren't* as dumb
as you look.    :-)     :-)      :-)

> Hello, moron?  Is there anyone home?

     Now now, is that really necessary?

> There are five teams in each proposed division.
> Sorry, snapperhead, no room for Phoenix.

     Not in your goofy system, anyway.
(Snapperhead?!?)

> Dallas... NFC Wild Card in '91
> Denver... AFC West Champ in '91
> Houston... AFC Central Champ in '91
> Kansas City... AFC Wild Card in '91
> 
> "But Mommy, I don't want to go 0-8 in divisional play."
> "Shut up, kid, and put on your Cardinals jersey."

     Ha ha.  Funny, but Phoenix already plays in the
toughest division in football (NFC East), and like
I said, we'd just as soon stay there as move to NFC
West.  Your proposal would actually make things
a lot easier competition-wise, except for Dallas.

     No, we're not chicken.  We just don't care to
spend two thirds of the season playing Texas and
Missouri.  How distasteful.  (I can come right out
and say that since you're on to me now.)

> Wait a minute.  I know what I'll do.  Just for you, I'll fiddle
> around with the divisions.  How about this:
> 
> California (and Arizona Suburbs) Division: LA Raiders, LA Rams, Phoenix, San
>   Diego, San Francisco
> 
> Happy That They Don't Live in California Division: Dallas, Denver, Houston,
>   Kansas City, Seattle

     While I don't favor mixing up the NFC and AFC, at least
this proposal would be acceptable.  I'd feel sorry for Seattle,
but hey, you play in a stupid dome on artificial turf and you
deserve whatever fate you get.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: GOD I HATE THE RAMS!
Keywords: Tegger speakth
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.173925.15448@cci632.cci.com> teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger) writes:
>
>The TEGGER speaks:
>
>Ye sayth unto thee that the Bills shall win thy game against thy
>Mountain Goats. Thy Mountain Goats shall be rousted from thyne playing
>field by thy boisterous fans. Thee subject Everest shall be caused to
>tumble from thy Mountain and shall not return.
>
>The all great and powerful TEGGER has spoken!!!!
>
>
>==================================
>The TEGGER
>Rochester's self proclaimed #1 Bill's Fan
>
>Section C5
>Row 32
>Seats 109 & 110
>
>GOD I HATE THE RAMS!!!
>
>Buffalo: 17
>Rams:    10

Have you had deep pit, barbequed goat?  Hmmm, Hmmmm, Good!
The Rams are a team I really dislike and I just remembered
I also dislike the Bills.  Therefore, my prediction is
truly "unbiased".

Buffalo: 27
Rams:    35
 
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle)
Subject: What's wrong with Mandarich? (was Re: Packer Update)
Organization: The Gifted and the Damned
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:54:02 GMT
Keywords: Green Bay Packers, E=mc^2


Va negvpyr <1992Aug17.003044.28429@cis.ohio-state.edu>
martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) jevgrf:
} In article <1992Aug14.190304.20977@macc.wisc.edu>
} heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
} >In article <55702@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>,
} >rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes...
} >>In article <1992Aug14.141647.29475@macc.wisc.edu>
} >>heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
} >>>Mandarich is in the hospital today being examined for some mysterious 
} >>>ailment (Waiver-itis maybe?).  To be fair, if he is sick it could 
} >>>account his even worse than usual showing.
} >>>...
} >>According to the morning paper, Mandarich is having headaches due to a 
} >>concussion he got in the last pre-season game, so he's not sick, just
} >>injured.
} >>...
} >I think there's more to it than this.  He's been complaining of 
} >weakness and weightloss for a weeks.  Earlier this week he got tested 
} >for mono.  Course, he could be making it all up.
} ...
} A couple days ago the "Columbus Dispatch" reported that Mandarich had
} been admitted to the hospital for a thyroid condition...

Actually, what really happened is that earlier this month I accidentally
accelerated Madarich to where he was generating a power output of 15HP,
which contributed to his weakness and weightloss due to the relativistic
effects involved.  When such an unreasonable speed is achieved by a human
being the contraindications are quite often misdiagnosed as related to
a concussion and/or thyroid condition...

I'm really, *really* sorry,

-tim(bigfuckin'smiley)r

--
As a man he was a failure, as a monster he was superb.
                      --Aldous Huxley on Isaac Newton
From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:38:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:

>I'm sure this thread has come up on this board before, but I'd like to see
>what some people have to say about it anyway.

>With the upcoming expansion teams headed to the NFL in a year or two, what
>kind of realignment would take place in the NFL?  I would imagine that if
>they come up with a plan, they would leave the AFC alone and switch everyone
>in the NFC to their natural positions (Atlanta to the East and Phoenix to
>the West, etc).  They could move Indy to the AFC Central, but I doubt that
>would happen.

>- Would you be in favor of realignment?  YES

>- Why or why not?  It could make for more interesting match-ups based on
natural rivalries.  I can't get very excited seeing Seattle play Kansas
City twice a year, but other opponents closer to the West Coast would be
very interesting.

>- If yes, what would you like to see in the ways of realignment?  I'd
like to see it based on the principle of geographic proximity, perhaps
even to go so far as to have the conferences divided along geographic
lines and play a minimum or even no inter-conference games like major
league baseball does.  Also, they should add four more teams to increas
the number of teams to 32, divide each conference of 16 teams into two
divisions with 8 teams each and sub-divisions of 4 teams each.  The
sub-divisional teams would play each other twice (6 games) and each team
would play a division rival once (4 games).  The rest of the schedule
would be divided between the interidivisional games and inter-conference
games.


>- Do you think the NFL would do it?  Doubtful they would do what I
suggest.  I know they want to make the divisions more geographically
contained to limit travel expenses; maybe move Dallas and Phoenix into the
NFC West and Atlanta and New Orleans into the NFC East, but I don't see
them getting too adventurous in realignment, unfortunately.

>I'm interested in hearing what you all have to say.

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From: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Subject: Re: Chicago Q'Back
Reply-To: wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov (William J. Bene)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:38:02 GMT

>riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)

>The Bears waived QB Paul Justin, last year's 3rd string QB, and kept
>Will Furrer as a backup to Harbaugh and Willis.  From what I saw of
>Furrer in the two nationally televised preseason games, I was impressed.

Don't be blinded by his showmanship!  I went to Virginia Tech for three of 
the years Will Furrer was QB there.  He was pathetic.  Some games he played 
ok, other games it looked like he threw them away.  Most of his inconsistent 
playing is due to he inability to handle the pass rush.  As long as he has 
protection he will pass well, but if he's rushed he makes terrible mistakes. 

In 1989-90 season he played so pitiful coach Beamer replaced him with a 
freshman for four weeks.  But you never hear about stuff like that, you just 
hear how great he is!  It makes me sick!

=============================
William J. Bene
wjb@cscsun2.larc.nasa.gov


From: miller@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Phil Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:30:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Redskins Analysis
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

In rec.sport.football.pro, greenfie@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield) writes:

> 4)  I think the Redskins defense is fairly solid except at defensive
>     line.  The loss of Williams has hurt more than the Redskins care to
>     admit.  That Wilson guy just can't cut it and I wouldn't be suprised
>     to see Jason Buck play a good bit at tackle.  Dallas's Emmitt Smith,
>     and many other runners, will have a field day against them.  Look at
>     what an old Eric Dickerson did and they gave up 157 net yards
>     rushing against the Vikings!  Are the Vikings a running team?

             "Are the Vikings a running team?"  Last year they did
lead all NFC teams in rushing yards per game, so I guess you could 
say yes.
         (And that was with H. Walker.  With Terry Allen (is he the 
most underrated back in the NFL or what?) they can only run more
effectively.)

                                       Phil
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana and other QB's
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Sep4.160544.19385@mercury.cair.du.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:04:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.160544.19385@mercury.cair.du.edu> ptripp@diana.cair.du.edu (Phil Tripp) writes:

   Are all of you who want Joe to quit while he's "ahead" too
   young to remember George Blanda?

Ok.  Joe Ferguson.  Even.

Bill
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From: mcdonel@tol-ed.com (LILLIE MCDONEL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Irvin - Novacek ???
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:06:18 EDT
Organization: The Toledo Edison Co., Toledo Oh

What is the status of Irvin and Novacek signing??  Are they close?  I haven't
heard anything at all about these two.
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From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle)
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Organization: The Gifted and the Damned
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:24:51 GMT
Summary: LB's for nothing, and QB's for free...
Keywords: Cowboys, 49ers, Beuerlein, Bono, Haley


Va negvpyr <36994@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) jevgrf:
} 
} My point is this. The Cowpokes won those afore-mentioned games
} despite Beuerlein at QB, bcoz, he had an excellent supporting cast.
} For example, take Steve Bono at SF. He was the QB who 'led' them
} to 5 consecutive wins. Does this mean he is an great QB? No. He had
} Rice on one side, Taylor on the other side, not to mention a very
} good TE in Brent Jones. And the SF defense constantly set him up
} in good position. And in my books, Bono is still a backup..

Well, sure--he's still a backup in the coach's books too.  Thing is,
he's the 4th rated passer in the league last year, and despite an
excellent supporting cast is probably as good as the bulk of starting
QB's around.  Sure, a mediocre QB will look better with superb receivers,
but you can just as readily choke behind a great offense than with a
shoddy one.  And the defense wasn't exactly stopping opponents in their
tracks as I recall.

It's a team effort for krightsakes, and you can't deny the effect of
that on any individual player.  So instead of refusing to acknowledge
the success of an individual because of his teammates play, I'd rather
only qualify the performance of those who might've had a better shot
if given a better supporting cast.

Sure, you can argue the point till the cow(poke)s come home, but in
the final analysis you have only the objective stats and your subjective
notions of how the player performs in real situations.  And for my
money Bono is pretty darn good on both counts.  I'll let those more
familiar with Beuerlein defend him, but I wouldn't automatically trash
the guy because he was throwing to good receivers...

} I ain't trading my best LB for a backup QB.

How 'bout yer best rushing LB for some conditional draft picks? ;^)

-timr

--
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on *his* team, but the position itself *is*, and, in professional football,
if an individual quarterback is not the most important person on his team,
then that team has an inadequate quarterback.                 --Sam DeLuca
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Top 5 Defenses?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:34:48 GMT
Organization: Chevron

(TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
> I'm curious about peoples view on the best DEEE's this year.
> 
> I'd say:
> 1. Houston
> 2. Denver
> 3. Chicago
> 4. Washington
> 5. New Orleans
> 
> Any thoughts?	Opinions?

Yeah!  Mine:

1. New Orleans
2. Philly
3. Washington
4. Kansas City
5. Houston

ALSO:  Anyone know the status of Doug Terry, KC DB that was carried off
the field Monday Night?  I believe he's a rookie out of Kansas.

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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer notes
Keywords: Joe Sims, Falcons
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:05:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.195802.28393@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.123116.6436@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...
>
>>In article <1992Sep1.204837.7786@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

	[ ... ]

>>Signed:

	[ ... ]

>>OG Joe Sims - Has anyone heard of him?

Never heard of him, and don't know much about him, but here's a
little info:

According to the '92 Sporting News Pro Football Register, Sims is
6'3" 294 pounds and 23 years old.  The Falcons picked him in the
11th round in '91 (out of Nebraska), waived him just before the
season started, placed him on their practice squad, and activated
him in November.  He ended up playing in 6 games.  Also, TSN has
him listed as an OT, not OG.
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: heath@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ronald Heath)
Subject: Sammie Smith put on IR
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Paoli PA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:50:19 GMT

Keywords: 

Sammie was put on IR with groin injury.  So not know how long he will be out.
From: ralph@isis.CSS.GOV (Ralph Webber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Staurovsky was (Patriots News 9/2)
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:14:53 GMT
Organization: ENSCO, Inc., Melbourne, FL

In article <1992Sep2.212017.14645@unlinfo.unl.edu>, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
> 
> I was ecstatic when they cut Staurovsky.  I've never heard of this guy.
> I hope he has better control than Staurovsky.  It could be worse; they
> could have picked up Scott Norwood!
> 

I thought Staurovsky signed with the Jets as a free agent in the off
season, hence never even going to the Pats tryouts??


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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Re: m. anderson, k, no  still holding out... 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:14:05 GMT

Is this Gary Anderson of Pittsburgh, Morten Andersen of New Orleans or
Roman Anserson?

Morten Andersen has tendonitis in his kicking knee but to my knowledge 
will be playing this season.

I haven't heard anything about Gary Anderson.

Roman Anderson was cut the other day.  I don't rememebr which team.

... "the title" did not say it all ...



                           Daryl Owens
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:11:16 CDT


In article <10415@disc.dla.mil>, i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green) writes:
> 
> Just want to put my two cents in about Herschel.  I've read what some of
> Vikings fans have said about Walker and all I can say is if Walker doesn't
> gain ground here in Philly it won't be completly his fault.  
> 
> After watching a number of plays last night where Walker was handed the ball
> he got to take one step and then Wham!!!

That brings back memories.  Bad memories.
>                                           The offensive line here is going
> to have to do a better job, the coaching staff has to come up with offensive
> plays, and the front office has to get Keith Jackson in.

The Vikes have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL, but it was not enough.

> I know that the coaches don't want to show to much in preseason as far as
> plays go so there is hope that the play calling will improve.  Randall  will
> be doing the quarterbacking which makes opposing defenses play diffrently,
> if Keith Jackson signs Keith Byras can be moved from tight end to the back 
> field where he is a great blocker (along with his other talents) and Walker
> will thrive back there.  If Jackson doesn't sign or if something happens to
> Cunningham and McMahon than Walker is in for a looooong season and won't look
> any better than he did in Minnesota.  Hopefully the line will get better as
> they play together and hopefully Antone Davis's attention span won't 
> fluctuate from play to play.
> 
> So to all the Vikings fans who read the stats after the game and see lousy
> rushing yardage from Walker it isn't just his fault.

The problem with Herschel is that he only takes 4 strides to get up to 
speed and he can't cut.  He is a big track sprinter that needs enough
time to get up to speed and a clear hole in front of him.  His only chance 
for success is in USC/John Robinson/LA Raiders style power running offense 
where he is repeatedly pounded, left or right, until he breaks through a 
seam and uses his speed for a big gain.  

The Eagles do not run that offense and Herscel does not have the ability
to be successful in the offense they run (he's not quick, can't cut, can't 
turn and catch the ball).  Herschel will not have a good year.

-- 
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------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eric Swann questio
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:17:46 GMT

For those a little closer to the scene in Phoenix with the Cardinals,
what is Eric Swann's current status? I know the surgery was done and
pronounced successful, and they claimed he would be ready to play
by the first real game if not sooner. Did he play at all in the pre-
season, is he going to play in the opener, is he playing on the nose
or are they playing him at end like they originally planned?

thanks.




Russ Smith
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Niners RB & WR
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 01:38:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug31.194329.24667@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>Harry Sydney will play exclusively in the special team, and Marc Logan will
>return kickoffs.

Sydney will play exclusively somewhere else -- he was cut yesterday.



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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: predictions
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:56:31 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <152680002@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
>
>In Da Bowl
>Buffalo 42 Atlanta 17i
                    ^^^
                    ^^^
So this is 17 imaginary points?  Sounds 'bout right, since this *is* an
imaginary prediction.


>Yuk Yuk Yuk!

In Da Bowl
Saints 55   Chiefs 19


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