HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: 800 numbers (Re: Caller ID block?)
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:40:16 GMT

In article <BzI3Gp.J5n@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com writes:
>I have no proof, but I remember reading that every business with a 1-800-  
>number already has the technology to record the calling number.  Something  
>about they have the right to know who is calling since they always get stuck  
>with the bill.
>
>The funniest thing is that, if this is indeed true, the biggest fear of the  
>anti-CNID folks (a-CID freaks?) is already true.

Well, ever since 800 #s have had ANI delivery, I've called them from a 
payphone.  The same will hold true if the current system of CNID stays.  I 
will continue to call from a payphone.  If I don't want my number given out, 
I shouldn't have to drive to a payphone.

-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp)
From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: Electronic rip-off
Organization: Boeing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:06:08 GMT

I heard that part of the Kuwait fortune had been electronically ripped-off
while it was located in a Spanish bank. Anybody know more about this? It's
the biggest electronic theft I've heard off.

BTW, never put your money in a Spanish bank. It's a total pain in the Ass to
get it withdrawn later. (I speak from experience...some friends of mine spent
a good part of a day trying to cajole the Bank Manager into withdrawing their
account so they could return to the states! :-)
 
-- 
 Bob Hall                   |  if [ -bs message ]; then
 Boeing Computer Services   |      mv message /compost/heap/$$
 root@chicken.ca.boeing.com |  fi
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dmoye@bnr.ca (Herb Tucker P920)
Subject: Re: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:18:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164848.5522@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.030124.27647@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> gpeel@mta.ca writes:
|> >
|> >		 may be wasting time, but my school covers the cost of the 
|> >networking. 
|> 
|> And so does every other school and business, etc...

But it's still money.  If you don't mind wasting your employers money, then you
obviously have a severe morale problem.  And if you don't mind wasting your 
schools money, then you obviously don't mind yearly tuition hikes either.
As for wasting time, if you don't like the people who post in this group, or the
things they have to say, why waste your time reading it??  And even more 
importantly, why waste OUR time by posting such sensless drivel, and constant
complaining.  So, may I just say "get a life" peel, and find a constructive 
hobby.  Like building scale model fish out of popsicle sticks or something
equally intellectually challenging (using your remarks as the operational 
definition of your level of intellect.)

[Sermon on the Mount mode off...]

-David Moye

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp)
Subject: Re: Electronic media losing it's value for artist
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:18:18 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <Bz9pAv.H1v@rice.edu> ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner) writes:
>The "Great Compromise" reguarding DAT's (and similar tech like DCC)
>insures that the artists (distributers, publishers, etc.) continue
>to make money.  It is assumed in advance that every digital tape
>you purchase WILL be used to copy copyrighted material.  Therefore,
>a portion of the purchase price of every DAT machine or tape goes
>into a fund that is treated like royalties and distributed at the end
>of each year (I think by ASCAP) in shares based upon album sales percentages.

The major problem with this is people who buy DAT for storage (it's the same 
medium, y'know).  Why should they have to pay for some idiot singer's salary?
(the're thinking (or are going to ) charge for BLANK tapes)

>ratner


-- 
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The Unbeliever                |   "It's the end of the world as we know it/
eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu |    and I feel fine"-R.E.M.
****************Whatever I say, I say.  Deal with it.**********************
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:42:35 GMT

roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>Personally, I want to be able to block anonymous calls at the CO, so
>someone calling me with blocked ID would only reach a recording... "I'm
>sorry, the number you have dialed does not accept anonymous callers.
>Please hang up and re-place your call with ID enabled."

What will you people do if someone calls from a payphone?

And why do you seem to believe you are "owed" the number of the person calling?
You haven't had it for years.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (man without a conscious)
Subject: Re: AGRIPPA
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:18:33 GMT

Re: all the requests to post/send Agrippa....

It is on ftp sites...it is available via auto-mailers....

The real version is propagating, the incorrect version does not seem
to be.  Thus, there is no reason to publically, obviously subject
onesself to obvious copyright violations if it is not necessary.

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; N
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:45:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

G> In article <168BDAAEB.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NW
>It appears that MAT is starting a branch office of the Confederation
>of Fascist Assholes. Where the hell do these people come from and
>what kind of upbringing can produce such twisted little monsters?
> 
>"Pity the rabid dog, but put a bullet in his brain anyway."
>                                              -- Me
> 
G>      It's Mt.A not MAT butt-head.
Looks like its MTA, not Mt.A butt-head.

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Quit worrying about your health.  It'll go away.
From: gbartoli@netcom.com (Guy Bartoli II)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: AGRIPPA
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:05:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Philip Nason Burt (burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec12.172355.17173@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (your unconscious mind) writes:
: >
: >	After seeing that messed copy on the futureculture list, I
: >posted the true version in hopes that the distorted, mangled, copy
: >would not get around the net. 
: >
: 
: well,
: 
: 	could you do us a favor and post the correct version rather
: than just griping about incompetance.  I read this and proceeded to

	Here, here! A posting of the 'correct' version or an FTP site.name
would be much appreciated!

: 
: >    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
: >    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
: >
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Gibson
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 


J> In article <1992Dec12.010218.24753@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Damian.Turner%bbs@qua
>Has anyone heard of William Gibson's new thing?  Short story on disk
>which erases itself after ONE reading?  And when will we find it
>readily available?  Limited editions only now, very very expensive.
J> hmm.. the lights are on, but nobody's home...

J> try scanning back for the thousands of headers that contain the string "agri

Yeah dammit.  We don't care if you're new here.  *NONE* of us ever were...

{Geez...the attitude in this conference.  Glad there's the word 'punk'
 somewhere in the title...}

Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Think hard now!  Which one is Shinola?
                                                                                                           
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6738 soc.culture.japan:12604
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:18:43 EST
From: Larry E. Cravetz <RSAYLC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Good Japanese scifi authors?

The heck with e-mail, POST THE NAMES!!!

(Another sci-fi fanatic)
From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec11.160656.20268@brtph560.bnr.ca>, dmoye@bnr.ca (Herb Tucker P920) writes...
>NEWS FLASH!!!  If you call 911 and hang up, all they have to do is "HOOKFLASH"
>and your phone rings.  As a matter of fact, if you just hang up, and later pick
>your phone back up, YOU WILL STILL BE CONNECTED TO 911!!  You don't get discon-
>nected until THEY WANT YOU to be disconnected.  Also, they have had somethng like
>CID for a LONG time.  If your telco just started charging you, then they are 
>just masking a price hike in basic service.

Not only that, the last time I called the local police (geeze I hate amatures
trying to be peeping toms!), they gave me my address before I was able to give
it to them.  I'm sure it was CID with a reverse phone book on-line.

> 
>-David Moye
>-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert J. Hall)
Subject: Electronic media losing it's value for artist
Organization: Boeing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:55:47 GMT

 > You are wrong about an electronic medium that is can be copied losing
 > it's value for the artist.  Cassette tapes for musicians can be copied.
 > Albumns can be copied onto them, and CD can be copied to DAT.  All of
 > these are easy to copy and distribute ("Hey, can I have a copy
 > of your new Front 242 tape?") yet, somehow, musicians make money
 > off ot them.

Apart from the first sentence, you make sense. However, there is a big
difference between 'easy' and 'free'. It's 'easy' to get a bootleg copy of
a tape from a friend. So what? The piracy problem will be multiplied a 
million fold when you can download virtually any electronic information
from a country that doesn't respect copyright laws.

 > Boy, it's 7:30am and I just reread the message.  The sementics may be
 > off, but the idea is there...

Got it. ;-)                      


-- 
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 Boeing Computer Services   |      mv message /compost/heap/$$
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:56:09 GMT

mdk@col.hp.com (Mark Keisling) writes:
>cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
>> What will you people do if someone calls from a payphone?
>>
>The device I'm working on would allow a caller to press a key on a touch-tone
>phone in order to ring through.  I would only use caller-id to save them that
> etc...
>been entertained by someone's heavy breathing routine for some time.

But, see, you have thought about it a little.  Some of the "people" out
there will block anything that doesn't have a full number, time, date,
sexual history, etc, etc.  

Of course, everyone realizes that this is really calling-number id, and 
not caller id.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Correct use of terms..
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:59:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec6.120920.5238@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mfreund@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark W Freund) writes:
> In article <VRDBVB1w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com writes:
>>I violently disagree that copying a piece of commercial software alone makes
>>one a hacker or a cyberpunk.
>>
>>
>>morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph")   |   A name changes toys into tools..
>>Obsolete diety for hire.  Cheap.      |          - Skinny Puppy
> 
> 
> Pu-leeze, when refering to pirates use the tern Cracker, not hacker. There
> is a big difference!
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> = mfreund@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu	Ozy+@osu.edu  =
> - Do you want friends? Do you want a social life?     -
> = Well, for the low cost of $99.99 you too can have   =
> - people who pretend to be your friends!              -
> = Join a frat today and we'll even throw in some beer!=
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Sounds like someone should dreadge up a old file dictionary of terms
and define what a cracker, hacker, or a cyberpunk is..Someone is confused..
 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: maybe a cp philosophy
Summary: basically cut and paste
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:17:33 GMT

I don't want to center on high tech low tech hard ware or software
I'd rather talk about how people think.

So this is my idea of how to build a cp philosphy

(even the sentence reveals. "build." putting together
boreds and nailes or pegs borrowed from the earth and mines.)

Walk through a parking garage, after you see an umbrella in a garbage
barrel. something to take home. 

Tie a coathanger around it, drive it through the ceiling, after you have
removed the canvas. bend.

From a thousand canvases make stain glassed plastic windows 
to hang just beyond yours. for the sun.

To make it work is more ideal.

(it's only an allegory. disagree with me)
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 14:15:44 PST
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Subject: Re: Gibson
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner)
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10a S/N 210921

Well, yes, I could spend hours scanning old messages that look like all
the new messages, all full of nonsense and insults and armchair
philosophizing, and gee, everyone seems upset by a naively phrased
message, but all I really want to know is WHERE IS THE STORY??? I
know all about AGRIPPA but I do not KNOW AGRIPPA.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: josuna@mozzarella.journalism.indiana.edu
Subject: Caller ID
Reply-To: Caller ID
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:00:17 GMT



Caller ID, at least in indiana, can be blocked by dialing *67... this,  
however, does not override Police/.. and probably Pizza guyz :)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: MY INTERPRETATION OF AGRIPPA
From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:35:06 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

        Okay, so Gibson writes Agrippa and it disappears. Two 
explanations of why the heck he did it.. These are just theories:
 
1. The Information Theory:
        Gibson was the creator of his "cyberpunk" culture. It is the 
free-flow of information, or attempt to hack it, in the future. This is 
his saying, "I am no longer cyberpunk, the information stops here with 
Agrippa" If you want to read a book by Gibson you can : 1. Go to the 
library and take it out, 2. Buy it at the store, etc. Here Gibson says 
you CAN'T GET IT! Only if you have $500 or so dollars he wouldn't mind 
you spoiling his example, and hell, even if you CAN afford it, you can 
only read it once. I think this is the answer behind Agrippa. That 
CyberPunkism is just merely ... a memory.
 
2. The Hype Theory
        Gibson is using this "poem" to get good PR and public reponse 
setting the stage for a large release.. or a minor release of a new book.
 
Take your pick, they both sound sane.
 
--Douglas--

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Information and Power
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:01:46 GMT

Maybe an interesting thought. With the advent of hackers and such. Money and
capital is now just information. After all when you transfer money from one
acdount to another you are just sending electronic information and it has
nothing much to do with physical items (bucks/money/dolor bill)

With the mass of information available to us in the modern world, not just
having info is enough, but having the right info, patients to sift thru
infomation masses and tehe brains to realize what you have..aand then 
the guts to use it.. In days gone by having land was the important thing for
power, now having access to information seesm to be the power.

Did I miss anything or can someone add anything?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: gpeel@mta.ca
Subject: RE: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Reply-To: gpeel@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.161145.13051@bsu-ucs>, 00fwmyers@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Duluoz And E) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.163216.15077@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, gpeel@mta.ca writes:
>> In article <168BE7B9A.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec14.224512.103@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
>>>gpeel@mta.ca writes:
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        It's Mt.A not MAT butt-head.
>>> 
>>>Oh! Butt-head! It appears I've hurt the feeelings of a little neo-
>>>nazi freak. So what was your toilet training like? How do you
>>>feel about your mother?
>>>                                        -- St. Morphine
>> 
>> 
>> 	I don't see how being proud of my school makes me a "neo-nazi", please
>> elaborate. Also do all neo-nazis you know have bladder problems or warped
>> feelings towards their mothers?
>
>For someone who seems to hate this newsgroup and the people
>  who read it, why are you here so often? WHy do you care
>  period?
>Duh, i should not have even posted this, it gets your pathetic rocks
>  off....
>
	That's right!

>-- 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Korac MacArthur)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: getting a life
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:42:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Korac MacArthur)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gpeel@mta.ca () says:

> To all of the repressed nerds, I have carefully sifted through this trash 
>and have come to the conclusion that all of you need serious psychological 
>treatment or try getting ount in the real world. In short get a fucking life!
>
	I know,   William Shatner says this in an old Saturday Night
Live!   Who says we need a fucking life, we have trivial pursuit (one and
the same?)!

	don't you worry about it peel old bean, the world will still
turn tomorrow, even with us "repressed nerds" on board.   Stereotypes
can be hazardous to your health.

-- 
Hey, George.....Nah na na na, NA NA NA NA,  HEEEY   HEYYY HEY,
GOOOOOODDDDBYYYEEEE!!!!!!   (and good riddance)
From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Agrippa
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:18:48 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 13-Dec-92 Re: Agrippa by Clayten
Hamacher@mindlin 
>  
> If I buy a book I want to be able to read it over and over again through the
> years if it is good enough. A book isn't worth much if you can only read it
> once, especially if you need to keep on reading at a set pace.
>  
> Sure, maybe SOMETHING needs to be done so artists can get paid but it's been
> like this with paper books for a long time... A scanner and OCR software and
> you can have an entire novel in electronic form as fast as you can shove the
> pages in. With the number of scanners now it's not availability that's
> stopping people, rather it's lack of desire, and that's something that will
> exist regardless of the media.
>  
You're missing the point.  It's not a novel, or a book to read over and
over again.  Read the FAQ, it's got a better description of Agrippa than
I can give.
 
--------------
Disclaimer:  If anything I have said has offended you, I promise not to
infringe on your right to just look away from the screen and ignore what
I'm saying.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: Gibson
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:23:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.010218.24753@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner) writes:
>Has anyone heard of William Gibson's new thing?  Short story on disk
>which erases itself after ONE reading?  And when will we find it
>readily available?  Limited editions only now, very very expensive.

<grin>  Where has this guy been?  Maybe you should stay in meat-world
chummer.  <that's old tech>

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu        	| 
carlsoje@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu - NeXT   |
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: steve@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve (PrettyBoy) Barclay)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.170822.18119@ee.ubc.ca> jrusmise@ee.ubc.ca (RUSMISEL JASON DIRK) writes:
>
>	Civil Liberties questions aside.....
>
>	Has anyone managed to hook up their computer to intercept the
>caller ID signal?   I've seen people talking about purchasing caller ID
>chip in this group.  What are some of these people up to? 
>
>	Pardon my ignorance but..
>	If I want to have my computer decode the caller ID signal, I don't
>have to actually have the computer pick up the phone, right?  How do I 
>go about getting the information from the phone line without actually
>answering the call ie have my modem pick up?   Do I have to use a modem?
>How difficult would it be to demodulate the signals myself with some
>small amount of hardware, or would this be a big waste of my time?
>
>	
>
>Jason Rusmisel
>UBC Electrical Engineering
>
Well hell, you're the engineer.  You tell us!
Steve


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