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From: edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So)
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:35:51 GMT
Reply-To: edso@watson.ibm.com		
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug14.050219.22066@kum.kaist.ac.kr>, wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:
|> 2) New Boxing scoring system
|> Not worth of mentioning. It sucks.
It's a little ironic that US was one of the most vocal proponents of this
lousy system, and it hurt US badly.  At any rate, it sucks.
|> 
|> 3) Archery
|> As a Korean, I am really pissed off at this. Archery is a record game, that is,
|> just like shooting you get scores depending on how near your shot has hit the
|> target. That's why olympic and world records are maintained. But this year they
|> changed the rule so that in the preliminary round, the best 32 are selected 
|> based on their scores, and in the final round, they compete by tournament.
|> Now it's a competition game just like judo, wrestling, or boxing.
|> I can't help thinking that this new rule is to prevent Korea from sweeping
|> the gold medals (Korea has won only two this year).
Maybe or maybe not.  But I think it's good to add an element of competition
in this type of sport.  By your own logic, sports like track and field,
swimming, and many other events should be "record games".  Competition and
strategy have produced some of the most memorable results. 

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From: 10702946@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PARTH DESAI)
Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:38:49 GMT

In article <3281@creatures.cs.vt.edu> cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz) writes:
>From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
>Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
>Date: 13 Aug 92 18:30:19 GMT
>In article 3402@sdf.lonestar.org
>>Ok, now that we've all seen the new mascot for Atlanta 1996, what is YOUR
>>opinion of the Whatizit?  Quite honestly, my first reaction was "Gawd no!"
>
>   My wife and I were expecting a Coke bottle as the mascot.  I'm glad it
>wasn't.  
>   Now here is my conspiracy theory.  Coke is the originator behind the
>mascot and the name.  Recall that Coke's corporate HQ is in Atlanta and 
>is the biggest corporation there.  It will surely capitalize on the 
>Atlanta Olympics in its ads.  Note that the mascot's name "Whatizit" is
>a question which begs the answer of "Coke is it!" -- Coke's slogan.
>  Has anyone else seen this connection or is it just my imagination? B-)
>
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God i Never thought of that. Thanx for pointing that out.

Melbourne was robbed.
Parth.
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From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: US Women's Swim team - the bodyart
Keywords: tatoos
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:57:16 GMT

Looking back on the US women's swim team's performances, I noticed that several
of the members had tattoos on various parts of their bodies.  Two were on
the left shoulder area, while a third had a similar tattoo on the upper right
thigh (front).  Does anyone know the story about these? Minor details like when
and why the members got them, and what said bodyart was.
 
Thanx in advance....
Tom H.




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From: mazzarel@hilbert.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: US TV Gold Medal nomination
Date: 13 Aug 1992 08:18:20 GMT
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My entry concerns waterpolo.  The final between Italy and Spain can only be
rivalled by the "Unfinished",  USSR-Hungary in the 50's.  A brawl.  A perfect
square of overtimes greater than one (4).  A fight.  A hometown crowd and a
crosswater rival.  

And we got to watch the Unis slaughter the good ol' USA by 4 or 5 goals.

Well, at least there's good live waterpolo here.

Ariel
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From: don@q-aais.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Subject: Re: Classic Quotes of the Olympics
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Reply-To: newcomb@navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:58:00 GMT


The last Friday of the games one of the US Water Polo team members
was being interviewed on NBC's Today Show. He had also served
as the model for the nude male statue at the entrance of the '84
games in LA. At the end of the interview the female commentator
for NBC (#include <name>) said, "Well, it has been good to see
you with your clothes on, for a change."

Did anyone else see/hear this?

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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Synchronized Swimming Dispute (Americans officials blows it)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:50:02 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <matt.713472199@unidata.ucar.edu>, matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:
|> butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher) writes:
|> 
|> >In response to my assertion that synchronized swimming is not a sport
|> >(which it isn't) and that it's stupid (which it is.)
|> 
|> >How long can you do eggbeater?  How long can you hold your breath while
|> >performing an athletic activity at 100% ?  How graceful can you be while
|> >upside-down in a foreign medium?
|> 
|> >I think I've said enough.
|> 
|> 100%? I don't think so. Swimming butterfly is done at one hundred percent, 
|> treading water isn't. This event was created by people who weren't good
|> enough at any real events to be competitive in them. I think I'll petition
|> the IOC to allow bicycling through a mine field with a metal detector as
|> an olympic event, then maybe I can get a goldmedal, too.

You can get your gold medal all right. You'll be competing alone.

|> When synchronized 
|> swimmers leap out of the water like dolphins, through hoops suspended 2 or 3
|> feet over the pool, then they might be worth watching. Until then they're
|> just olympic clowns.

I'm not much of a Guiness reader so what's the highest that anyone's jumped
out of a water in a dolphin-like manner. 

Maybe we can have a dolphin event. There's already horseback riding.

Do synchronized swimmers do other events? People in gymnastics do more than
1 event as Mr. Chterbo can tell you.


Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Gymnastics: Instant Replay for Judging
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:10:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

>So, you could have more judges.  Maybe two sets of judges for each
>apparatus.  That way, the "at bat" judges could watch the current
>gymnast while the "on deck" judges could score the previous gymnast
>using the replay.  Also, more judges would decrease the influence of
>any one judge and reduce the risk of an individual's bias hurting
>everyone.

Actually I think this might increase the effect of an individual judges
bias.  I'm not talking about a bias for a particular person, but instead
a bias towards a particular style, or some other subtle factor.  No matter
how well trained a judge is, there will always be a difference of opinion.
That is why a panel of judges is used instead of just one judge.  Did
you ever notice how much the scores differ across the panel.

I suspect that if you were to set up two panels in parallel, judging the
same performance, a significant fraction of the time, the composit scores
of the two panels will be different.

In addition to everything else, now the competitors will have to worry about
the luck of the draw.  Did they get the high scoring panel, or the low
scoring panel.

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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:52:54 GMT

David Cook writes:
.  .  .
>Just after this, they mentioned (in passing) that cycling was one area
>where professionals _would_ be included by '96. Does anyone have any
>further information on this ? 

That is the plan.  Also, UCI plans to absorb their "amateur" and
"professional" subsidiaries (FIAC and FICP) to become unified again
for the first time since the mid-'60s.  The key vote on these issues
by UCI will be held in November in Orlando, Florida, so as to
facilitate visits by the international cycling officers to Disney
World and Epcot Center.

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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:25:24 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

In article <1658@spam.ua.oz>, dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes:
>   On the radio this morning, I heard a story about FISA (international
> body controlling soccer) refusing to remove the 23 year age limit on
> soccer players in the Olympics ('to protect the World Cup', they said).

The name is FIFA (Federation Internationale de Football Association) not FISA.
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From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:33:51 GMT

In <1992Aug14.050219.22066@kum.kaist.ac.kr> wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:
>3) Archery
>As a Korean, I am really pissed off at this. Archery is a record game, that is,
>just like shooting you get scores depending on how near your shot has hit the
>target. That's why olympic and world records are maintained. But this year they

Then why compete at all?  You could hold several smaller competitions
during the year and then announce the best score as the world champion!

>Now it's a competition game just like judo, wrestling, or boxing.

I always thought that one point of the Olympics is the COMPETITION....
guess I must be wrong.

>I can't help thinking that this new rule is to prevent Korea from sweeping
>the gold medals (Korea has won only two this year).

Nobody can prevent you from thinking anything you like, but this
is ridiculous.  If Koreans cannot stand the pressure of the finals,
then they should take on something less stressing (say knitting).

(P.S. this does not imply that I would think that Koreans cannot
 stand pressure.  Their Olympic record alone proves that assumption
 false.)
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From: tia@flash.cs.pitt.edu (Tia Watts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:03:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh


In article 10499@ee.gatech.edu, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
>>In article 3402@sdf.lonestar.org, thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) writes:
>>the next night and the repsonse was mediocre.  We call it the Smurf Sperm

I am glad to hear that I am not the only one who called it this ^^^^^^^^^^^!

>A tadpole, a guppy, a fish with no tail? I still love Bubba the Blue Slug!
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle...

Maybe we will all get lucky and it will grow up to be the Big Blue Frog
by 1996 - Peter, Paul and Mary could sing to it at the opening ceremony!
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: basketball : spoiler
Summary: More about Grentz and Eastern women's basketball
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:39:24 GMT

In article <46159@shamash.cdc.com> paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller) writes (in part):
>Okay, I'll buy most of what you said (except about the EUN team).
>I certainly follow Stanford and getting information about the Eastern
>teams is just about impossible. It's tough enough to get local
>information on women's basketball. 
>It does seem to me that the Eastern teams (I'm thinking of Penn State
>at the moment) have nice records during the season and blow up at
>tournament time. I may be wrong again but I haven't heard much out of the
>East at tournament time since the Immaculata days. Have there been other
>Eastern teams in the final 4 other than Rutgers in the last 10 years?
>[Pause while I look this up] UConn, ODU(eastern?), CHeyney State. Sorry,
>no Rutgers. Maybe at a different level? (My source is the 1992 program from
>the final 4).

Well, if you recall Immaculata basketball, you probably heard of Theresa 
Shank, later Grentz - one of the stalwarts of those glory teams.

ODU is Old Dominion University, located in Virginia.  The Lady Monarchs 
used to be considered quite a basketball power.

BTW, another Lady Knights claim to basketball fame:  Rutgers was the last 
champion of the AIWA (I may have the letters wrong) back in '81.  This was 
the main organization for women's college sports before the NCAA took over.
The Lady Knights beat the Texas Lady Longhorns for that title.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: American Arrogance - US Monolopy?
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:07:39 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug14.195837.8696@cs.yale.edu> dong-danning@CS.YALE.EDU (Danning Dong) writes:
<>many examples of the US media concentrating on US to the exclusion of other
countries and their athletes DELETED.<>
>
>Not excellence of sports, but excellence of Americans is the American media 
>paying attention to.
>
This is exactly what happens (but not 100%).  The US media is a profit
based business (no matter what they say).  Ratings or newspaper
circulation numbers are how they pay their bills.  US sports coverage
will show what they think people will watch.  NBC knows their audience
would rather watch the US waterpolo team get knocked out of the medals
than the 2 best teams fight for the gold.  They also would rather devote
those 2 hours the gold medal w.p. event would take of air time
to another "popular event" (involving US athletes).

It is the loss of the US viewers.  NBC had only so many hours to devote
to the coverage.  (And they did waste too much of it on non-sport items).
They show what they know (or think) their viewing 
audience would watch and from the ratings it looks like they did OK 
(dollar-wise). 

I'd have loved to have seen the table-tennis and badminton events even
though no US athlete was competitive.

>>>The level of bias in the coverage of any event in the media
>>>here in the US it is of such magnitude  that eventually things 
>>>that are acceptable tend to become unacceptable.
>>> Deiby
>
>>Please explain what you mean here, what things?
>>--Mark
>
>The acceptable is: US TV coverage focusing on the excellence of their athletes;
>
>The unacceptable is: US TV coverage diminishing or even ignoring the excellence
>		     of others.

My opinion on media coverage in general is that much of the world has
figured out that we are a global community.  Based on the news I watched
in the UK for the couple of weeks while I was there recently, there was a much
higher percentage of non-UK news than we see of non-US news here.
Maybe the UK is effected to a large degree by events in France or
Germany than the US is but the US is learning it needs to become more
global.

douge@antares.tymnet.com      
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: ATHLETICS: feet and inches
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:58:00 GMT

In article <LEO.92Aug6095253@vivaldi.ai.mit.edu> leo@ai.mit.edu (Leonardo C. Topa) writes (in part):
>I know that in the US feet and and inches are used to measure
>distances, but couldn't NBC give long/triple/high jump distances in
>meters as well? That's how they are measured in Spain, and even the
>athletes, when interviewed, talk about jumping over 18 meters, but NBC
>doesn't seem to even know there is a metric system out there.

Interestingly enough, on the Triplecast the metric measurements were announced 
first - and these were American announcers.  However, since they were using the 
world feed, perhaps the metric measurement simply appeared first (or only) on 
their monitors...

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com

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From: strick@nabilla.ee.mu.oz.au (Larry Strickland)
Subject: Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:12:34 GMT

In article <TQZ5RJ@aball.in-berlin.de> tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen) writes:
> 
> Hi !
>
>  'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
>	 2000. Where should it happen ?
>
>		 1) Berlin
>		 2) Peking
>		 3) Sidney
          ^^^^^^
That should be Sydney.  It would be nice to have it in the southern
hemisphere again.  The big problem with Australia is that it causes
direct telecasts (and therefore big bucks) to fall outside prime time
television (Peking might have the same problem).  By the way Sydney does
not have a problem with a hole in the ozone layer as suggested by a
German journalist.  But then I am an Aussie and am likely to be biased.


>       4) anywhere else, give me the name of the city
>
>		  Please send your answer to 
>
>		  tnt@aball.in-berlin.de
>
>		  And please answer, and please no kidding :-)
>
>			  THANX  a LOT    tnt
>
>


Cheers Larry.
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: High Points and Low Points of the '92 summer Olympic Games
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:37:32 GMT

In article <85993@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
> Here's some semi-cynical semi-humorous semi-commentary that I've
> hashed out over the past few days.
> 
> Copyright Rich Kulawiec, 1992.

You forgot one of the worst low points outside of the USA v JPN Volleyball
match.

That is the punch up poolside at the Water polo Final.

But a high point was it going into 3 overtime periods.

Juan and the King & Queen liked that one!

Rod
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Subject: Whatiz Whatizit (entries so far)

1. The mutant fish from an episode of The Simpsons.
2. Woody Allen dressed as a sperm in "All You Want to Know..."
3. A Blue Q-Tip
4. Bubba the Blue Slug
5. Cokeizit
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:21:44 GMT

les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:


>But what does this have to do with cycling?  Not much.

Plenty. This group probably represents a large chunk of the low
cholesterol crowd. We will either be snuffed by someone or we
will get bored and snuff ourselves. Reminds me of an old MASH
epiosode where Hawkeye says Colonel Flag "If we had more men
like you we'd have less men like you". Flag was the crasy CIA
guy that had just gotten permission to kill himself.


(Don't flame the non-sense posting - I might do myself in. 
Total cholesterol: 125)
jim
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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Sydney? (was Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:48:00 GMT

In article <Bsy9Cr.D9s@chinet.chi.il.us> katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:

   ....

|I think Australia would be a wonderful place to have the Olympics, but
|it would be strange for those in the Northern Hemisphere, mainly because
|the Games would be televised in the *winter*! I'm not saying it's a bad
|idea, just a strange one. Outdoor atheletes would be most affected, 
|because of the screwy training schedules. Southern hemisphere atheletes
|would clean up :-)

It will be held in Spring which will be autumn in Northern Hemisphere.
And about the training schedule, spare a thought for Southern Hemisphere
athletes who have to rearrange their training schedule when preparing
to compete in Olympics held in Northern Hemisphere every four years.

|
|Prime time is not a problem (thanks to technology) but the season would
|be.

Nope, it's only a problem for Northern Hemisphere athletes. About time
they experience the difficulties Southern Hemisphere athletes have to face 
every four years. But the fact that if Sydney wins the Olympic 200, it will
be held in Spring erodes the potential advantage the Soutern Hemisphere
athletes should have.

|
|When has this happened before?

In Melbourne, Australia,  1956.
|
|btw, I missed the Closing ceremonies. I thought they were supposed to
|announce the 2000 city then. Wrong?

Wrong!!



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From: cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:37:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

rodgers@brandonu.ca writes:

>If an American does
>not stand a chance in winning an event, they [NBC] will not show it.

	You mean like the equestrian events, weightlifting, both marathons,
steeplechase, 1500 meters, 10K, pole vault, and gymnastics?
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