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From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 04:11:51 GMT


In a previous article, jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada) says:

>Case in point, here in the southeast (too bad we're not in the same league as the schools back in the northeast ((just a joke))) there are a number of Filipino
>scholars who could be of tremendous benefit to the country. They have made efforts to go back and be of service to the people. They come back disillusioned. There is no money for research. The government has made no direct and conscious effort to provide 
>grants for them (What the government has now is just lip-service to the idea of a Balik-Scientist program).
>
>To stick it out back home with not enough funds to do research, let alone feed 
>one's family, is not patriotic...it is foolhardy!

	I just want to help keep things in perspective.

	On one hand, we shouldn't have the naive idea that if our
scholars just go back home to work, everything will work out fine.
The problem is much more difficult than that.

	Also, it isn't right to say that if someone immigrates, he is
necessarily being selfish.  As I said before, we all have our individual
callings.  Whether we are being faithful to that calling or not is
another issue.

	On the other hand, we definitely need scholars back home.  There
is a serious problem with research funding.  However, we should also
avoid the extreme of saying that because of this, it is useless to go
back home.  The funding is difficult to find, but that does not make the
problem insurmountable.  For instance, a lot of relevant research work
is being done at UP and Ateneo.  The trick was convincing industry and
the government that these projects would be useful in the long run.
Also, the government is definitely becoming more supportive of S&T.  The
task force instituted two years ago to explore promising avenues of
research is one indication.  Another is the increased attention being
given to the DOST.

	Also, while I cannot blame anyone for becoming disillusioned,
things will definitely become much worse if too many of our well-trained
people immigrate.

	To summarize: I cannot pass judgment on those who immigrate,
because I do not know what God's purpose for them is.  However, for
those who are struggling with this question, I can say that things may
be difficult back home, but there is still hope.  It will be hard, but
unless some people are willing to sacrifice, things will become much
worse.
 

 
insurmount
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

  THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: A closed  | "Only Nixon could visit      | Hi, Mom!
       mouth gathers no foot.    | China." - old Vulcan proverb |
From: sscott@next9.cs.umr.edu (Steven Scott)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Request for FOLK TALES, etc
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:06:55 GMT


	Does anyone know any Filipino folk tales or other traditional stories
they wouldn't mind sharing with me?  I'm interested in all kinds of stories,
but especially ones that most Filipino children would know.

Thanks,

Steve
From: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Scholarships, benefactors
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <2520@creatures.cs.vt.edu> cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz) writes:
>In article <1786@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writ
>>	Does anyone out there have some information that may help us
>>get a Philippine's scholarship to send this woman to the States to 
>>study?  
>
>  Why bring her to the States? Your dollars would go a long way if you send
>her to school in the Philippines.  If she is really good, then she shouldn't
>have a hard time entering any of the top RP universities.  In fact, she 
>shouldn't have a difficult time getting an NSTA scholarship if she's 
>interested in taking a science-oriented course. Just send her the dollars.

Bom, its the DOST scholarship now. Yes, if she is as good as you say,
she certainly won't have a problem getting a scholarship that should
defray quite a few of the costs. UP is presently under something called
STFAP, sort of a socialist billing system: the poorer you are, the less
you pay for tuition. Mind you, for the record, I do NOT approve of STFAP,
but my kid brother takes advantage of it (our family does qualify for 
top subsidy), and things seem to be OK.

Tell us more about the educational interests of this young
lady. Maybe we can give you better advice as to which university
she should go...


-rich
Richard Sucgang : Dept. of Anatomy and Cell Biology
Columbia University (sucgang@cuhhca.hhmi.columbia.edu; 
de slime god         rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: johnsona@microsoft.com (Johnson Apacible)
Subject: Re: Reply to Ben
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:40:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Apr4.031007.20618@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>	I guess it depends on what you mean by "accepted".  Do they
>allow these other religions to exist on their turf?  I guess so.  Do
>they treat people of other religions as equals?  I don't mean to
>generalize, so let me just say that I've seen to many examples to the
>contrary.  In my own family, for example, I have often been ordered
>never to associate with non-Catholics, and the Protestants in my village
>have been ostracized by the Catholic community.
>

I have the exact opposite experience you had.  I went to a baptist school
since kindergarten and had been taught that Catholism is an inferior
religion.  I was sometimes berated by my teachers for being good friends with
Catholics as they  are "bad" examples.  Almost all my life I had been
guilty of discriminating against Catholics,  being told that
Catholism == One way ticket to hell.  My Catholic friends never discriminated
against me for being a Protestant.

In my senior year at U.P., I asked one of my fraternity brods to tell me
more about Catholism  because I could not believe that such an extremely nice
and God-fearing person will go to hell just because he is a catholic. 
I was surprised to find out that there isn't any fundamental differences
between the 2 religions, just a difference in the way people choose to
worship.  I went to my first mass with him thinking that if Billy Graham
can celebrate mass with the Pope, there can't be anything bad about it.

I liked what I saw and converted to catholism right before I left for
the U.S.A for my studies.  Never regretted my decision.

Tsismis: Laurel and Defensor are meeting for a possible joint presidential
ticket following the announcement of the Cojuangco-Estrada slate.


-johnson apacible
johnsona@microsoft.com
| First name please. Johnson. I mean your first name. Johnson.  Sir, I need
| your first name  first. JOHNSON!!! Wait till you hear my last name!
| Mom, why did you give me Johnson for a first name. Eh kasi yung presidente
| ng stets nuong pinanganak ka ay si Johnson eh! Thank God I wasn't called
| Lyndon.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:09:59 GMT

perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:

>Yes, we graduate students need some coordination and cooperation.  I think
>we can actually start something constructive.  I hope there are more 
>regular readers out there who would be interested in further exploring
>this aspect.  The lines are open...

>Carlos

Good idea. I applaud JJ's decision to go home and help. I, too, am contemplatingdoing the same. 

I agree that there needs to be some means of cooperation and coordination. Sincewe can't rely on the entrenched institutions back home to lend a helping hand,
some sort of support system (information, research undertakings, or data-sharingor whatever-could-be-thought-of) would have to be in place for those who are
thinking of going home to pursue their careers. Any suggestions.

When I finish my post-doc research, I will have to think about packing up and gohome (or somewhere else where I can continue to do research).

That's my $0.02 worth.

Jojo 
	


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio )
Subject: Re: Condom size
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:59:57 GMT

In article <2234@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> ador@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Amador Argete) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.183047.28085@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio ) writes:
>|>
>|> According to a study by the Department of Health on the
>|> acceptability of condoms, the most common complaint against their
>|> use is their size -- they are too big for the average Filipino.
>|> 
(stuff deleted)
>Maybe the average size of the penis of a particular nationality is
>proportional to the size of their females' vagina. Since there have been
>no reported incident of Asian females being overly stretched by their
>Western partners, the sizes must be the same.
>By the way, I know someone (a Filipino) who had the opportunity to go
>places and meet different women (Filipinas, Thai, Chinese, Australian,
>Greek) and there had been no complaints.

let me put it this way ... 

penis size has nothing to do with sexual prowess ... :-) ....

filipino men always put the pleasure of their partners first before
their own (in general) ...

that is why we have terms like 'brocha' and accoutrements like
  bolitas and pilikmata ng kambing ... etc... :-)


ken

-- 
Kenneth Yerro Ilio
Veterinary Biosciences             Life is a foreign language 
University of Illinois at          Every man has mispronounced it. 
  Urbana Champaign                            -- Carlos Bulosan
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: bad language
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:10:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr17.031051.11319
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, U30067@uicvm.uic.edu () says:

>didn't these guys read 'netnews etiquette' before they posted?  it seems that
>several people from uic... baka magkakabarkada... have been posting obscenities
>and it doesn't speak well of them.
>

I think that excessive use of profanity tends to indicate a lack of
imagination.  People who continually use such language probably have
difficulty expressing themselves in any other way.

Just my opinion.

Standard disclaimer:  The opinion expressed in this post is not
necessarily the opinion of Case Western Reserve University or its
Department of Electrical Engineering and Applied Physics  -- although
it should be.


-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

  THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: A closed  | "Only Nixon could visit      | Hi, Mom!
       mouth gathers no foot.    | China." - old Vulcan proverb |
From: tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: ASIAN VOICE To Endorse Miriam's Candidacy
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:55:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s8cbmINNo14
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

ASIAN VOICE To Endorse Miriam Defensor Santiago
As President of The Philippines


Mga kasama,

	After a long and tortuous discussion, the Editorial Staff 
of the ASIAN VOICE (your friendly neighborhood Pinoy newspaper in 
the Bay Area) has decided to endorse the candidacy of Miriam 
Defensor Santiago as President of the Philippines.

	This sounds like a quixotic quest - what with the likes of
Mitra, Laurel and Cojuangco in the race - but if you have read the
ASIAN VOICE, this paper prides itself in fighting noteworthy 
causes.

	Miss Santiago represents a moral and true alternative, a 
direct antithesis to both the traditional system of politics on 
one hand and the marginally competent current administration, on 
the other.

	Miriam could have made the current administration much 
stronger if she had the chance, but she simply could not, owing to
the "Byzantine ways" of family conspiracy which surround the 
Aquino regime.

	As a result she could not win the legislative confirmation
to become Secretary of Agrarian Reform.

	But probably it was the decree of fate that she should become
an enemy of the status quo.

	Miriam has no money, no political machine, no business inte-
rests to protect, not backed by the all powerful Catholic Church 
and no strong ties with the United States.

	But she has one thing - a higher moral ground, a conviction
and a tenure of service to the people (though short) that is among
the finest in Philippine history.

	The ASIAN VOICE thinks the Philippines will do very well
with Miriam at the helm.

	The ASIAN VOICE thinks that it is time to let people who
are tried and true have the chance. It is time to abandon whatever
vestiges there are of traditional politics, dictatorship and 
"family-cracy" that still exist in the Philippines.

	Honestly speaking, we don't think that Miriam has a very
strong chance of winning the presidency. Not without the money of
Cojuangco and the machinery of Mitra and Laurel.

	But then again, this makes this quest all the more
meaningful, when you know that you don't have much of a chance 
in hell of winning. 

	The ASIAN VOICE might lose its shirt over a seemingly
hopeless cause but we think it is a cause good enough to lose
its shirt over.

	Now, on with the quest !

	We will be trying to come out with weekly (instead of
fortnightly) issues till the elections on May 12.

	There will be also a "Miting De Avance" planned for MDS
supporters sometime before the elections. Watch for it in the
ASIAN VOICE.

Ka Tito 
ASIAN VOICE
From: esperanz@girtab.usc.edu (Michelle Esperanza)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: 8 Apr 1992 22:21:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr8.183651.1@woods.ulowell.edu> perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>	What really pisses me off, (I might be flamed for this) is the
>fact that those 'nationalist' in the senate, not ratifying the bases
>agreement.  For all intents and purposes threw thousands of lives into
>uncertainty.  Are they going to make up for the loss of these people?
>Heck no, they're just going to recommend that everyone go find a job,
>say in the Middle East, and take whatever abuse and humiliation that
>comes with it.  And is our government protecting those people out there?
>Is this a choice of two evils?
>
>Carlos  

I think the idea behind not ratifying the bases agreement is AUTONOMY -- i.e., 
even though the Philippines has technically been independent of the U.S. since 1946 (1945?), they were still dependent on the money and "protection" they got 
from hosting the U.S. military (now I might get flamed for this -- and I, a
military brat to boot, grew up going to the Navy Commissary in San Diego!  No 
doubt the gov't is watching me as we speak.).

Certainly the Philippines would like to encourage foreign investment of a, 
perhaps, less political nature, especially from Japan; of course, the U.S. 
is not happy about Japanese investment RP, since this would mean an increase
in Japanese influence (and not American) in RP.

I understand RP (or is it PI) is a member of such coalition-building
orgs as ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) and Southeast Asian 
Forum for Development Alternatives (a nongovernmental organization); 
involvement in these will help RP to become interdependent with nations 
in their region, a la the European Community and the North American Free 
Trade Agreement.  

>PS  It seems so scary to post opinions, you just might be eating your words
>later on.

Yeah, but don't let this scare you off! :^)

Michelle
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: LOOKIN' FOR LOVE
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:36:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <92100.022328U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>, U21729@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
|> HI EVERYONE.  LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF.  MY NAME IS GREG DEMOS. I'M A GRADUATE
|> OF UIC IN PSYCHOLOGY.  I HAVE A KEEN INTEREST IN FILIPINO WOMEN, BECAUSE  THEY
|> POSSESS SUCH EXOTIC BEAUTY AND I AM LOOKING TO FIND ONE TO MAKE MY VERY OWN.
|> SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SMART, BUT SHE SHOULD BE AROUN 5'2" TO 5'6", AND 20-26

Shucks....
   
Then you're out of luck;  we're not too keen on graduate students of UIC
in psychology who don't know how to type, particularly if they're named 
Greg Demos.  

Better luck elsewhere!
:-)

-- 
Opinions are mine...not SGI's
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
From: ador@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Amador Argete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Another one.
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:36:30 GMT
Organization: Meteorology, University of Melbourne

>U21729@uicvm.uic.edu  GREG DEMOS IS SHOUTING FOR LOVE
>
>HI EVERYONE.  LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF.  MY NAME IS GREG DEMOS. I'M A GRADUATE
>OF UIC IN PSYCHOLOGY.  I HAVE A KEEN INTEREST IN FILIPINO WOMEN, BECAUSE  THEY
>POSSESS SUCH EXOTIC BEAUTY AND I AM LOOKING TO FIND ONE TO MAKE MY VERY OWN.
>SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SMART, BUT SHE SHOULD BE AROUN 5'2" TO 5'6", AND 20-26
>YEARS OF AGE.  PLEASE CALL ME AT (815)744-1738 IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

Greg, keep your voice down.
Calm down, buddy, calm down. 
Good boy....
Now let us fix that keyboard of yours.
From: rick.sanchez@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Sanchez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Brain Drain and Underdevelopment
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:07:48 GMT
Reply-To: rick.sanchez@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Sanchez)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: takeahike.ebay.sun.com

rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang) writes... 

>> An excerpt of a speech I delivered to Aquino when I paid
>> her a courtesy call:
>>
>> "The mind does not work under a gun"

And to add.. "Too much freedom poisons one's mind"
From: rick.sanchez@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Sanchez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Oil Find in Mindanao
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:57:12 GMT
Reply-To: rick.sanchez@EBay.Sun.COM (Rick Sanchez)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: takeahike.ebay.sun.com


 alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu) writes ...
>> i'm not a broker, but i can't find any  ADR's (american depository receipts)
>> for PNOC.  the only filipino company that i know of is the
>> philippines long distance company, trading on the amex under the
>> symbol PHI.

Benguet Consolidated is another company. It is listed in NYSE.
 
For the PNOC, I am not sure if this should be listed in the Big
Boards of Makati and Manila stock exchanges. This is a government
corporation. This should be privatized first before it can issue
shares.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: alg@is.morgan.com (Al Guintu)
Subject: Re: *** "FLIP" SURVEY RESULTS ***
Keywords: flip survey results
Organization: Morgan Stanley Equities Analytical Research
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:38:02 GMT

thanks for the article.  apart from its main focus, your
survey shows that there's quite a few of us pinoy netters
out here.

however, i have one bone to pick.....
In article <1992Apr9.001210.3714@leland.Stanford.EDU>, macf@leland.Stanford.EDU\
 (Macario D Feliciano) writes:
|>
|> By Other (Arbitrary) Categories
|> ===============================
|> Participants were asked to pick one of the following categories:
|> A) were born in the Philippines and reside in the Philippines
|>     ...
|> Answering% of total
|> YesNosample population
|> -------------------------
|> A: 0% 0%0%
                ^^^^
        zero respondents from pinoys in the philippines??!!!??

what gives?  there *has* to be at least a handful of
internet sites in the philippines!  if so, can you guys
post to let the world know that you're alive?


thanks
/al

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: teej@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.)
Subject: Re: imelda's campaign
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:52:33 GMT

In article <92097.102822U30067@uicvm.uic.edu> <U30067@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Heard on Philippine Reports (Chicago Ch. 26)... Imelda Marcos is going to with-
>draw from the presidential race due to lack of popular support.  Is anyone out
>there who can fill us in on the details?  Too bad, it looks like the $300 air-
>fare this summer won't be true after all.
>It seems that Doy Laurel is the only candidate with no background of graft and
>corruption, which he is using very well in his campaign (specially against
>Mitra).  More news is appreciated.  Teddy.

It's about time!  Analysts were predicting that Imelda will withdraw soon way during
January 1992.  It was only a question of time.   

That leaves the following contenders:

Miriam Defensor Santiago
Salvador "Doy" Laurel
Eduardo "Danding" Cojuangco
Jovito Salonga
Fidel Ramos
Ramon "Monching" Mitra

And now, there were six.   I wonder who else will withdraw next.

JJ
.,
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 12:45:53 CDT
From: <U25720@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: bastos sa scf -- score 1

There have been some offensive posts on scf from my school. I have complained t
o our computer adminstrator about them (the offenders are unfortunately not eve
n filipinos -- two identified so far are chinese and one vietnamese) and one ha
s been warned. These guys better pick on someone else, because we will not give
 in without a fight.
Caloy Arcilla
Dept. of Geological Sciences
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Date: 11 April 1992 17:02:50 CDT
From: "Richard K. Wolf (312) 996-8291" <U42641@UICVM>
To:   <U14540@UICVM>,
      <CONSULT@UICVM>,
      <U25720@UICVM>
Subject: Forwarded note below

Mr. Chang:

Pleased be advsied that posts, such as the one you made below, are
considered offensive by other users, both at UIC and elsewhere.  While
we at the Computer Center do not want to limit your right to free speech
we must also consider the effects derived from thoughtless behaviour,
such as yours.

Your account is a priveledge granted to you by the Computer Center.  If
you abuse that priveledge, it will be quickly taken away from you.  I
can think of two instances where accounts have been PERMANENTLY suspended
because their owners were continually bothersome to other users, both
at UIC and on the networks.

Please consider yourself warned.  You are doubtless a responsible adult --
please act like one.  There are several groups on NETNEWS where posts
like yours would be readily accepted and would be considered "the norm."
Please confine posts, like that below, to such groups.

Yours,
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Small Systems Group
Computer Center

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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:47:33 CDT
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              U11892@UICVM.BITNET
From:         U11892@UICVM.BITNET
Subject:      Courtesy in EMail
To:           Richard Wolf <U42641@UICVM.BITNET>

Dear Consultants:
I really respect and love the freedom of speech, but there are some
people who are willing to post anything but hiding in anonymity. These
sample posts, posted on soc.culture.filipino I think are at least
tasteless and offensive. I hope the writer will have enough self-respect
to put his real name on them.


Carlo Arcilla
Dept. of Geological Sciences
University of Illinois at Chicago
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