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From: roth@3d.enet.dec.com (Jim Roth)
Subject: Re: MUSIC of THE DIVINE MASTERS
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 27 JAN 93 10:21:45    


In article <C1Gq5s.3B6@world.std.com>, DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) writes...
>In article <1993Jan25.192632.3325@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

><lots of inane banter deleted, having nothing whatsoever to do with audio>

>>                                           Robert E. McElwaine
>>                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar

> ... stuff deleted ...

>This guy is a complete fruitcake. We have enough noise cluttering the
>network without his kind of nonsense. There are plenty of newsgroups that
>are suitable for what he has to say. rec.audio is NOT the place for this
>sort of lengthy self-delusional posting.

You mean you were able to RESPOND to this and only have ONE word that
was CAPITALIZED?

- Jim
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Should I wait for THX?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:48:11 GMT

Hello, everybody!

	I am currently in the process of building a quality audio/video
system. I plan on getting the audio right first, and then perhaps adding
surround capability later.

	My main concern is that I not get a surround system that will
degrade the overall sound quality of the movie that I am listening to.
I have a friend who only rarely uses his surround setup because it is
noticeably less euphonic than a simple stereo setup.

	I have no interest in getting a processor, subwoofer, etc.,
that will sound real impressive to my friends but distracts from the
presentation of the movie. I am therefore wondering whether or not it
is worthwhile to spend an extra $2k on a plain Dolby setup. I would
probably be thrilled with a THX setup, but just don't have the means
to plunk down $5000+ on a such a system. Unless THX component prices
start to come down a little, I can't see it in my immediate future.

	I would be interested in hearing the reactions of those who
have decided to add surround capability to their current system. Are
you satisifed with it? Do you use it for all you movie viewing? What
would you do differently if you had the opportunity to start over?

						Wistfully yours,

						-Cal
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From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Anti-aliasing on the recording end?
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:01:19 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <shetline-210193103508@128.89.19.74> shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:
>The problem is, you'd need *real* higher sampling rates (as opposed to
>computed oversampling), and the processing power to perform the sampling
>rate conversion with digital filtering.
>
>Anyone out there got the scoop on this?

Chesky use 128x oversampling and fourier transform the data down to 44.1KHz
for CD, sounds very good.  Very hard to find discs that sound good though,
very easy to find dreadful ones.


-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independent Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kong@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kong Kritayakirana)
Subject: Re: Forget the DACs. How can transports sound different?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:04:37 GMT

In article <30690@castle.ed.ac.uk> sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock) writes:
>Stability does seem to help in the sound, hense the use of damping
>rings/discs.  Pioneer make a CD player (quite cheap too) which uses a
>turntable to hold the disc and prevent ringing.  Does seem to sound
>smoother than other players in that price bracket (400 Pounds UK or there
>abouts).

Nope the stability of the disc rotation doesn't. The transport uses a small
amount of buffer memory and oscillator to form a feedback loop to go back to
the disc servo to keep the "average" dataout rate to be the same as the data
coming out from the buffer. Well, as long as they don't totally screw things
up in the servo loop, the data should come out from the transport at the 
oscillator's frequency and accuracy. So CD rings DON'T HELP. Impedance
matching between TRANSPORT & DAC is another matter. Regarding the Pioneer
Stable Platter, I don't see any real advantage to it except that the dust will
not fall onto the lens. They sounding smoother results from the stupid "Legato
Link" filter that rolloff high about 4dB at 20kHz (I borrowed one these and
tested it in my system). Ok, with a lot of "euphonic distortion" discussion
floating around in this net, I might say that the Legato Link might be euphonic
to some people. But accurate it ain't and you can do very close to ideal with
$20 off the shelf digital filter chip. Legato Link is the thing that is 
to blame (praise?) for the smoothness you hear from Pioneer CD player.

$.02

Kong Kritayakirana (kong@leland.stanford.edu)
From: rsud@sw.stratus.com (Rajiv Sud)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again (was Re: Preamp and Amp)
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:00:49 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ernie.cac.stratus.com




In article <1190795@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:
> In rec.audio, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
> 
> >      If any of these tactics sound like TV evangelists, its no
> >      wonder, the ability of the human mind to fool itself and
> >      attempt to spread the ignorance is amazing.   
> 
> You make us roll with laughter.


	Actually, he's right. He just doesn't realize about who.

..Rajiv
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: DAT, DCC and MD
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1993Jan28.115137.5048@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
	<C1KM13.ALq@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:13:24 GMT

I don't understand why people are flaming about MD sounding bad.
It's not supposed to be a hi fi medium.  I heard an MD unit in a store
recently, through decent quality walkman-type headphones.  It definitely
sounds better than my cheap cassette player sounds, and therefore it
succeeds at its mission in life.  It's also more than 20x as expensive,
but hopefully that will change...
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Why Debunk?
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 22:16:39 GMT

In article <43355@unix.SRI.COM>, henry@monod.biol.mcgill.ca (Henry A. Pasternack) writes:
|> Dick:
|> 

[Much Deleted]

|> 
|>    'Rec.audio' readers are unlike your clients in that they do not pay
|> you to have their noses rubbed in the hard reality of the physical world.
|> You will not betray your professional integrity by allowing a few errors
|> to slide on the bulletin board.  There is nothing you can do about these
|> erroneous articles.  Dozens have tried before (yes, I know how long you've
|> been around), and all have failed.  Why should you be any different?
|> 

  Whether or not Mr. Pierce ever achieves the goal he seeks is beside the
point.  His efforts should not be measured in terms of whether or not
he reaches his goal, but instead he should be commended for the very fact
that he *attempts* to reach it.  This is certainly an admirable trait;
one which I respect very much.  I appreciate Mr. Pierce's efforts to prevent
the propogation of misinformation in this public forum.  I'm relatively new
to the world of audio and I don't have the enormous background, expertise and
experience needed to ascertain what is, or is not, correct in every instance.
Thus, anyone's efforts to clear up untruths is greatly appreciated.  I'm sure
I'm not alone in this sentiment.

  However, it does seem Mr. Pierce has recently been a little hard on some
people who were, in fact, only trying to help.  So I would not urge Mr. Pierce
to stop flaming, but perhaps instead, I urge him to flame a little less
vehemently.  As long as the correct information is conveyed, there's no need
for anyone's feelings to be hurt (and there's certainly no need for anyone
to end up with a "Fisher rack system" :-).

-- 
   __ ___  
  /\ \ \ \  Anshu Prasad                        stud1b53@bnr.ca
 /--\ \/_/  Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
/_/  \_\    All opinions are my own, not my employer's, BNR Ltd

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: garyp@rmtc.paramax.com (Gary Palangian [RMTC/ISP])
Subject: Re: Amp and Preamp
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:23:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.151205.11280@bnr.ca>, Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
|> 
|> My arguments have been consistently mis-interpreted, my views consistently
|> mis-represented and many riduculous conclusions eloquently drawn by many
|> posters in bashing LP.  But I no longer care.
|> 
|> Dave Dal Farra
|> BNR Ottawa
|> Audio and Acoustics Group


Gee... I gave up the 'no one understands me' approach in college.

It was easier to get girls using the 'I'm pretty sure you're the most
beautiful thing in the universe' approach.


    Party On...

      Gary P.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: chrz@tellabs.com (Peter Chrzanowski)
Subject: Re: Heathkit
Organization: Tellabs, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:26:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.180729.24156@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, eric@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Eric Hansen) writes:
> In <80725@hydra.gatech.EDU> jnewsome@prism.gatech.EDU (John Newsome) writes:
> 
> >Does anybody know a number where heathkit can be reached?
> 
> Heathkit went out of business last year.  Too bad, I might say :-(

Actually, Heath is still in business, in Benton Harbor, MI.  It's just that
they don't sell kits anymore.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sfk@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Katz)
Subject: Linn Kalidh Speakers
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:04:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

I have been searching for speakers in the <$1500/pair range for a while
now.  I have listened to the Klipch, Infinity Kappa's, Paridigm monitors,
Apogee Centaur Minors, Mirage M series, etc.  I had finally cut my search
down to two speakers - the Theil CS 1.2 (~1300), and the Vandersteen 2ce
(~1300).  Both speakers are outstanding in their class.  I was just about
ready to buy.

But (there's always a but), one of the dealers I have been auditioning
at got in a new series of speakers - the Linn Kalidh's (~1300).  Wow!  
I am impressed.  Has anyone else listened to these speakers?  What was
your reaction?

I would be interested in anyone elses comments on these speakers, and I
would recommend that anyone purchasing speakers in this price range 
audition them.

PS - I was listening to these speakers through a Rotel 955 CD, Rotel 980
     pre-amp, and the rotel 980 amp. 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Marc Dionne <dionne@pop.cis.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Comments on analog music
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78B5C9D4B036F6A@je-college-node.net.yale.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:24:45 GMT
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:40:34 GMT

In article <93FSG.93Jan26191449@hereford.williams.edu> F. Sebastian
Grassia, 93fsg@williams.edu writes:
>> >I'm not familar with GRP. What kind of music do they have?
>>
>> Unfortunate jazz-influenced elevator music.
>
>You are truly a philistine if you consider Chick Corea, former
>pianist for Miles Davis and shaper of modern fusion to be a
>producer of "Unfortunate jazz-influenced elevator music."

I would be the first to agree that Chick has done a lot of great
stuff - his work with Miles and his own "Now He Sings, Now He 
Sobs" are (rightly) classics of Jazz. He went steadily
downhill after that; by the time he started with GRP, he'd gotten
pretty boring. Still, you're right; with respect to Chick, I retract
my original description. Chick Corea's recordings on GRP have
been just unfortunate jazz, not unfortunate jazz-influenced 
elevator music.

I do have to thank GRP for rereleasing much of the Impulse! catalog
on CD. This is a genuine Good Thing.

>There are many other excellent, serious jazz musicians recording
>with GRP, which I'd be glad to list for you, upon request.  GRP
>is a company founded by musicians, for musicians, and produces
>some excellent quality (both sonically and musically) albums.

I've heard PLENTY of GRP stuff. I have no desire to hear more.

>> --
>> (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronnt-
>> uonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!)
>Verrrrry interesting.... but stupid.
>
>--
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
>!! F. Sebastian Grassia    !!            Living vicariously             
 !!
>!! 93fsg@cs.williams.edu   !!   through the models and images I create. 
 !!
>!! The Graphics Cowboy     !!          (((((((((((*)))))))))))          
 !!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Look who's talking... lovely border, especially.

Marc
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: Micing Acoustic Wind instruments?
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:17:35 GMT

In article <AfLfzlu00WB9QfU0sz@andrew.cmu.edu> Lisa Laverne Vaughan <lv0e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I had the trouble of "breathing", actually gasping from a cold, being picked
>up by the mic.  I have a pickup on the flute, but for classical music, the
>"key clicks" are too noisy so I opted for the microphone (a vocal mic).

This is probably more appropriate for rec.audio.pro but I'll answer it
here.  Close miking for classical isn't a fabulous idea, and you're
learning why.  Try miking it from the top down ("bird's eye") so that
you're breating in the other direction.  Also try it above angling the
microphone toward the keys.

>I tried to move the mic further away from me and play in a smallish room, but
>then you could hear the distance.

What pickup pattern is your microphone?  A narrow hypercardioid is best
for this sort of stuff.


--
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gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu       to be seriously considered as a means of 
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From: rdw56612@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Waller)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: TV sound through stereo
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:26:10 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dmn@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Dan Nichols) writes:

>	I have a question regarding tv sound through a stereo. I have a Denon
>amp/pre-amp combo (about 8 yrs. old) through which I have hooked up my TV so
>that I can hear the tv sound through my stereo (The tv is a 32" Toshiba I just
>recently purchased). The problem is that in order to hear the sound at a
>reasonable level, I must turn the sound up very high on my tv (nearly two
>thirds of the way). The volume knob on the Denon is kept around one fourth.

>	I have been told that, in general, it is not a good idea to
>play a stereo above half volume (too much distortion and heat could blow the
>speakers is what I've been told). So, the question is will the volume setting
>in my tv cause any harm to my stereo? If so, how can it be corrected?

>	I don't believe I have hooked it up incorrectly since there is only
>one RCA-jack connection that must be made. Thanks in advance for all comments.

Ok, I'm fairly certain on what I'm about to say.  I think that the audio out
jack on the TV is before the amplifier in the TV, but after the preamp in the
TV.  I hook my TV up this same exact way, and I turn off the TV speakers, and
turn the volume of the TV all the way up.  On some TV's they offer the choice
of a fixed audio out, or a variable audio out.  Obviously you have a variable
audio out.  I really don't think that your system will be damaged in any way
if you turn up the TV's volume level.  I would just suggest to keep the
Denon at the usual level you listen to.  The only purpose in the audio out
being variable is so that you can control the volume level with the TV remote.
No big deal.

Hope this helps you.

Rick Waller
rdw56612@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Professional recording equipment for sale
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:51:33 GMT

For sale:
Tascam M-38 eight-track (1/2") reel-to-reel deck
Tascam Model 38 mixing board

Price: $1500 for both, firm.  Local buyer preferred (NYC area).

Contact: Dave Mandl (dmandl@shearson.com)
From: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Pre-amp/Tuner & Amp recommendations
Date: 20 Jan 93 19:42:52 GMT
Reply-To: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve)
Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810

I'm seriously considering upgrading from my receiver to seperates.
I'm looking to spend a total of 1K on the pre-amp/tuner and amp.
If anyone could recommend a make, I would appreciate it.

btw, my speakers are Vandersteen 2Ce.

Also, if there's a FAQ, please let me know.

Thanks - Scott
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:45:54 CST
From: John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DAT, DCC and MD
 <1993Jan22.025120.11716@e2big.mko.dec.com> <C1EuKp.3wq@fulcrum.co.uk>

In article <C1EuKp.3wq@fulcrum.co.uk>, igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) says:
>                      ... DCC's only expense over a grungy cassette
>mechanism is the head, which isn't a moving part but is more complex
>than a standard analogue head. ...

Speaking of grunge ... my understanding of DCC is that the analog and
digital heads are integrated into one thin-film assembly. I wonder what
will happen when people start playing dirty, shedding analog tapes
in their DCC decks. Hey, the advertisement says that it will play my
old cassettes!
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: "Buy what you like"? (was Re: Bose BULLSHIT)
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:19:55 PST
Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA

In article <1993Jan21.192328.7915@pts1.pts.mot.com>,
 ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2751 P7091) writes:
> Bottom line, if you're interested in a pair of speakers listen to them.
> If they sound good to YOU then buy them.  Buying speakers based upon
> what someone says or thinks they hear is stupid.  So go out and listen
> for yourself and keep your inmature comments to yourself.

The trouble with "just buy what you like!", especially if you aren't used to
listening carefully, is that it is easy to "like" something early on which you
later grow to hate.  

Example:  Someone who has been using cheap minimonitors (eg Radio Shack Minimus
7's) one day walks into a showroom where... hmmm, let's invent something so we
won't offend anyone... a pair of Julian-Sirius speakers, bass reflex with 10"
woofers, are being demonstrated.  WOW!  Listen to that bass!  Sold! 

Much later this perosn may discover that the bass is sloppy, has a huge peak
at 200 Hz to give the illusion of real bass, etc., etc.  

Some critical reading of speaker reviews might have let this person avoid this
particular case of "buyer's remorse".  

I'm not saying that you *shouldn't* listen for yourself.  If you absolutely
hate a system's sound, you probably shouldn't buy it regardless of what the
reviewers say!  But ... It seems to me that if someone who listens to audio
systems enough to make a partial living at it says that "this speaker has
these strengths and those faults", and especially if another reviewer in 
another magazine comes to the same conclusion, that is information that I
should take into account in my buying decision.  Even if my ears aren't 
trained enough to hear the faults now, it may be soon. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, or hanrahan@eisner.decus.org  Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Digital critics - sampling argument is nonsense
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:40:32 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1190791@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:
>In rec.audio, shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:
>And in the very next sentence trounces analog with a bogus reason.
>> Chances are that most analog appeal comes from
>> euphonius distortions that could be simulated in digital if anyone wanted
>> to try.
Ahhh, yes.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Shetline's reason is not bogus. He refers to an entire body of 
knowledge that you have neither acknowledged nor refuted.

As seems usual, you are content to misstate your opinion as fact
and engage in ad-hominem attacks on those who have studied the
issues.

Kurt, go away.  How do you propose he "trounces" analog?  He doesn't.
He says the distortions ARE euphonic, which is a reccomendation,
I would think, rather than a trouncing.
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From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
Subject: Re: speaker phasing
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:48:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203132.15782@microplex.com> fff@microplex.com (Fred Fierling) writes:
>Do speaker manufacturers follow a standard for speaker phasing and terminal
>colours?  In other words, if the red terminal is made positive with respect
>to the black can you assume the speaker cones move in the same direction
>regardless of manufacturer?

As a general rule, yes. There are also explicit and de-facto standards
that say a positive voltage applied to the positive terminal of a driver
will cause the cone to move outwards.

-- 
|                Dick Pierce                |
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From: nm1@ukc.ac.uk (N.McBride)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: how MiniDisc sounds
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:08:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.



I've just had a play with the new Sony MiniDisc walkman
player.

Now I wouldn't like to make comparisions with CD, LP, DCC
DAT etc as I only heard the thing as a unit ie with it's
own headphones, and in isolation.
But I can give my opinion on the thing in general in terms
of value for money. Here goes for anyone
who's interested:

I honestly thought it sounded terrible. Really bad. The
treble was just falling apart, timing and `drive'
were very poor, and the bass weak. All in all extremely nasty.
To me it sounded like the original CD players - but worse.
It really did not give as good a sound as a half decent
Walkman. I'll be intersted to hear one as part of a hifi.

Now considering that it cost 500 pounds sterling (recordable
version) and considering it's a damned site bigger and heavier
than a tape walkman, and considering that you could have a 
Sony Professional Walkman with a good pair of headphones
for less cash, then I ask myself, is anyone going to buy one? 

Would you buy one?


Neil McBride
Unit for Space Sciences
University of Kent
Canterbury
UK
Newsgroups: rec.audio