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From: huang1@husc11.harvard.edu (Howard Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: FTP Archive Site
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:00:44 GMT
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: joko@well.sf.ca.us's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:38:48 GMT

joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn) writes:

   Is there an Apple II oriented FTP site that has things like Zen and the Art
   of the Internet or Hitchhiker's Guide to the Internet?

ftp.uu.net [192.48.96.9] is "everything oriented."  The two papers, as
well as others, are in /doc/internet, and there's some Apple II stuff
in /systems/apple2.  

UUNET also has mirrors of archives for other systems, BSD 4.2 source
code and manuals, RFC's, and lots of other goodies.


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From: tomk@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Tom Kelly)
Subject: Re: Bought a Franklin Ace 1000: Questions..
Organization: ProLine [pro-nsdapple] - North San Diego Apple Users Group
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 15:50:41 PST

In <C18r3G.2D2@eis.calstate.edu>
csokolo@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Sokolov) writes:
>A couple of notes on the Franklin Ace 1000: It is a II+ clone with,
>supposedly, 64K on board and a few other "improvements."  The problem is,
>however, that ProDOS doesn't work with it, without a patch.  Some software
>may not work with it, as well, because of minor changes to the ROM.

Does anyone have the patch to make ProDos work on a Franklin?
If so please post it or send me E-Mail.
Thanks.
From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: LRO again... was Two Systems, etc.
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:51:08 GMT
Organization: The Internet

(massive stuff from Pauley Benson deleted - most on the way LRO treated
 him...)

This is just a sidebar on LRO... I noticed that LRO advertised Foundation
in the December and January issues of InCider/A+.  What is pecular about
this is that LRO _never_ contacted us (Lunar Productions) regarding the
distribution or pricing for Foundation.  I decided not to contact them
because I was curious as to what they were going to do should they get an
order.  The February ad didn't mention Foundation (whole new format ad)
and I have yet to hear from them.  I only hope that they aren't telling
customers that any problem they have distributing Foundation is on our
end.  I can just hear them telling customers "Foundation is on back-
order from the publisher"... hogwash!

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Don't clean drives!! (was Re: Problems Detected with System 6)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:18:45 GMT


Like others, I have found that I occassionally need to clean my 3.5" disk
drive.

Whenever I start to get weird problems, like when I can't format a disk, or
when I can't read a disk, I just pop in a Radio Shack disk cleaner that uses
a wet solution, and I'd say that in 9 out of 10 cases, those unreadable
disks become readable again.

That might happen once or twice a year. Since the head cleaner is slightly
abrasive, I don't think it's a good idea to use in on a regular basis.

I've also found that it helps, every couple of years, to open the drive
case and remove excess gunk that has found it's way in there. I have a bald
spot, and always wondered where that hair went when it fell out. After I
opened my 3.5" disk drive, I found every one that ever fell out. Inside the
case.

Joe Kohn
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: rSounds -- How to play them?
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:49:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri Jan 22 93 at 00:43:16 (EST)

> I need anything. Even if it's a rSound-->RAW converter so I can use AudioZap.
> As a last resort, what is the format of an rSound so that I can write such a
> converter?

Have you considered the rSounder 2.0 program? It is designed to convert sounds
from standard files to rsnd format, but should be able to play rsnds too.

                    -=> Message from Kim Brennan <=-
          (kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com)  or  (kimbrennan@aol.com)
         {Cathouse BBS (301) 840-8567 3/12/24/9600 V.32 24 hours}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Problems Detected with System 6
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:59:16 GMT

[stuff deleted]

Are you sure you're running the final System 6, and not one of the betas
that leaked?  Specifically, the beta HFS FST would crash on the Format call,
so this set a red flag in my mind.  


-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
From: t4d192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Bruce Paul Dow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Failed Power SAupply
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:36:57 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca



Anybody had this happen to them?  My AppleII+ wouldn't turn 
on first time. I had to try several times. It kept taking more
times to get it to work until finally it stopped working altogether.
I got out the meter and determined it was the power supply. All
voltages are about one tenth their rated voltage. I have a schematic
in my Apple manual but it is not the right one for the supply I have.
The Apple was bought in 1980 and the supply manufacturer is Astec.
Anybody solved this one before and can suggest which parts to 
try to replace?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: Finder Answers, failed follow
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:22:31 GMT

>1. Can I tell System 6.0 to ignore the rIcon resources and use the icons in
> the ICON files instead? (perhaps with a patch)
 
Finder does use the icon files instead. Your problems might relate to icon file
search order.
 
>2. When I switch back to 5.04, I lose the Finder.Data icon locations (i.e. the
>   system puts the icons back wherever it wants). Can I prevent this by
> locking any of the Finder droppings files (Finder.=)?
 
Finder 6.0 has a preference to prevent saving the Finder.data files. This
should work, unless it automatically converts old files. I doubt locking the
files will make a difference. The Finder.data file format changed from 5.0.4 to
6.0.
 
>3. What does the Finder.Root file do (other than show up every time I run an
>   app from the desktop)?
 
I think it tells Finder which windows are open and maybe what files are on the
desktop.
 
>5. Referring to # 1 above. If I can't make a patch, can I remove the rIcon
>   resource (with a resource editor/compiler like Rez)?
 
Don't do this.
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu

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From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Subject: re: FTA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:44:00 GMT

(This bounced, so reposting it)

In article rcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (rcollins) writes...
>
>Is FTA still around producing IIGS demos? I'd read somewhere a while back
>that they had called it quits, is that true?
>
>Also, If they're still doing IIGS stuff does anyone know if they have a
>internet address?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Randy

        Nope, afraid not. FTA disbanded around late November of 1991, most
either moving to a new platform (IBM, Amiga, Mac), or leaving the computer
scene altogether. Their very last finished product was NoiseTracker GS 1.0,
written and released by Olivier Goguel.

        Olivier Goguel donated all the FTAs unfinished in-the-works software
to Joe Kohn (They included "Delta Demo", "Bouncin'Ferno", "Blue Helmet",
"Oil Landers", "Bulla", and maybe one or two that I've left out). There was
a project for a game called "Burger and Fries" to be done by Olivier and
Bill Heineman, but that seems to have gone uncompleted too. :(

        Last I heard, Olivier was working with programming projects for the
IBM. Too bad, he and the rest of the FTA had talent like no one else ever
before! :/

>======================
>rcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu
>======================

Mitchell Spector
From: voss@i40s16.ira.uka.de (Stefan Voss)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Need help with some text files
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:13:41 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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In article <q63yXB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung) writes:
|> Recently a friend (who uses a IBM Compatable) sent me some text files
|> zipped. I after I unziped them on my GS I tried reading the files, but
|> apparently something didn't come out right. It looks like all the carrage
|> returns were turned into an unknown charater which was denoted with an
|> inverted "?". What can I do besides manually changing all the inverted
|> "?" manually. I really don't want to do this because there are at least 3
|> megs of text files. Are there any programs out there that will do this
|> for me? Thanks for any replies.
|>  
Probably, MS-DOS uses Newline characters (ASCII code $0A) as line terminators 
(like UNIX) for text files. The normal line terminator on a GS is Carriage Return
(ASCII code $0D) and fortunately you don't have change your files manually.
I know 3 programs that do the work.
- conv. An EXE file that is supplied with GNO/ME.
- lf2cr. Exits in a EXE version and a NDA version.
- vi. I think this editor can read both kinds of text files.

They should all be available via FTP. Try the pindarus server.
Hope this helps.

|> --
|> Herbert Fung              herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

Stefan Voss
(voss@ira.uka.de)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: neville@fawlty.towers.oz.au (Neville Smith)
Subject: Re: scsi hd on apple ][e
Reply-To: neville@fawlty.towers.oz.au (0000-Admin(0000))
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:55:34 GMT


>In article <93024.123355DBE100@psuvm.psu.edu> <DBE100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>  I have an old 20meg scsi drive that I would like to use on my old apple IIe.
>>  what software and hardware are needed?
>
>You will only be able to use the ProDOS operating system with the SCSI
>hard drive (i.e. you can't use DOS 3.3, Pascal or CP/M, at least, not
>easily).

Ah, but you _will_ be able to use DOS 3.3 easily on your hard disk
when the latest version of John MacLean's DOS Launcher comes out
as it contains //e and //c support...
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neville@fawlty.towers.oz.au	BH +61 2 427 2999	Have a nice compile.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: eeidscw@engvms.unl.edu (strider)
Subject: Re: Apple///
Keywords: Information request
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:40:39 GMT


David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>The Apple /// has hardware emulation of a 48k Apple ][+ (you need to
>boot the emulator disk to enable it).  When emulating an Apple II, you
>don't have access to any special features of the Apple /// (such as
>the extra memory).  Apple actually bent over backwards to limit the
>capabilities of the Apple II emulation mode.

(The first of Apple's series of dumb mistakes.)



>There is no IIe emulator that I'm aware of.  If there was one, it
>would have to be done entirely in software (i.e. slow emulation).

It was made by Titan Inc. as a twin card kit.  One card holds the 128k ram,
the other holds the //e essentials.  _Now_ you're aware of it :)
(I have one of a very few 640k Apple ///'s.)


Scott Weddel   strider   Apple /// aficionado   eeidscw@engvms.unl.edu
    Sterling Rider       MegaChip A500C= DCTV   UNLincoln Nebraska USA


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,umich.archives
From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
Subject: Re: [comp.sys.apple2] The UMICH Apple II archive guide (1/24/93)
Keywords: ftp, shareware, gopher, freeware, apple2
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:15:19 GMT

I am wondering where I can get ModZap.  I've read so much about it I must
try it out, but if it was ever posted to c.b.a2 I must have missed it.

-- 
"Man himself is so unlikely that if he did not          | Scot Salmon
 exist, his possibility would not be worth discussing." | scot@jlc.mv.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: Mitchell McKinnon <mitchm@vcd.hp.com>
Subject: Re: DeskJet 500 TO GS--Help!!!!
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:35:04 GMT
X-Xxdate: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:40:33 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard

In article <1992Oct25.060637.11212@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Petar E
Puskarich, ppuskari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>manual mentioned.  The DeskJet manual assumes a standard rs232c
interface.........

The HP DeskJet 500 printer contains firmware which limits its use
strictly to DOS systems (RSXXX and Centronics I/O).  The HP DeskWriter
printers are designed for the MAC world.  To provide both environment
capabilities in the same printer would make the printer more expensive.
I'm not sure, but you can check with an HP dealer as to the availability
of DOS -> MAC  (DeskJet -> DeskWriter) conversion kits.

M. McKinnon
From: a0m2504@zeus.tamu.edu (AKITOMO MORITA)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: 65802 problem clarification
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:59 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

For thos of you who read my earlier post, the RANA hard drive works fine with
the 65C02 in the computer.  I would like for it to work with the 65802, but it
doesn't.  Supposedly, the 65802 can be a direct replacement for the 65C02, but
this doesn't seem to be so.  I'm looking for people who have had problems with 
their hardware working with a 65802, but no problems with a 65C02, or anybody
who may have an idea of what is going on.

Akitomo Morita
a0m2504@zeus.tamu.edu

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From: tgeer@pro-gumbo.cts.com (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: Bought a Franklin Ace 1000: Questions..
Organization: TGraphics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:39:59 CST

In <1993Jan21.162947.1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu>
madhatter@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:

>
>     I just bought a Franklin Ace 1000 at a really low price of $10,
>and I'm not familiar with the Apple scene so if anybody could answer
>a few questions like:
>
>     How are the expansion slots different from a normal apple?

There are the same as those in a // or //+.

>     Is it compatible with the apple IIe or IIc or etc?

The Ace 1000 is Apple //+ compatible.

>     Where do I get the manuals for it?

Good luck - I have them all but since I have two children who still use the
Franklin, I'm not ready to get rid of them yet.  Perhaps some other kind soul
would be willing to part with theirs.

>     Did I pay to much for it?

Are you kidding?  I'll give you double that for it right now.

>     Is Franklin Ace still in business?

Don't think so - I believe that Apple Inc. sued them into oblivion.  BTW: the
name is Franklin Computer Corporation.  Ace 1000 is the model name.

>     Which slot does the 80 col/memory expansion board go in?
>       (There are 8 slots 0 through 7)

Slot 3 is for 80 col cards.  Slot 0 is for memory expansion.  An Apple //e
64k extended 80 col card will NOT work in the Franklin since it lacks the
//e's auxiliary memory slot.

>     How much memory does in have? (Without the above board)

64K

>                                 Thanx in advance,
>
>                                            Jason Jones


Franklins are truly rugged and dependable machines.  Mine has been in service
for 10 years and ran 24 hours/day for 4 of those years (old pirate BBS back in
the good ole days).  They were/are much better machines than the //+'s that
they were cloned from.  They came with 64K onboard ( as opposed to 48K for the
//+), had a numeric keypad, upper/lower case, built-in cooling fan, heavier
power supply and several other advantages over the //+ - and cost less too!
Mind you, I still paid over $1400.00 for mine in '83 (CPU only).  BTW: except
for a couple of machine ID bytes, the ROMs are an EXACT copy of the ones in
the //+ so it is 99.99% compatible (unlike the Laser clones).

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From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Extra's menu in all Applications...
Date: 29 Jan 93 03:03:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility


The following revelation escaped Gunn, C Stephen's lips:
>
> Plus It is reasonable to assume that nobody should stick extra items
> (Save NDA's which dont count) in behind my back.

    Kangaroo does this (and hierarchical menus, too!) without any
apparent conflicts.  I've experienced a few minor, non-fatal problems
with applications which switch menubars (like AppleWorks GS), but
so far it hasn't bombed an application.

--
== Real name: Brian Tao (Dept. of Exobiology, University of Toronto)
== Preferred: taob@r-node.pci.on.ca (no mail over 15K please!!!)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Murph's VAPORWARE Column for February 1993
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:42:24 GMT


Well, well, speaking of vapaorware and/or rumors, there was an article in
the San Francisco Chronicle on 1/27/93 about the changes at IBM, and how
they are searching for a new CEO. The article said that the two names that
keep coming up are Ross Perot and John Sculley. Seriously.

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: Re: cirtech
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:39:52 GMT

Sir-Tech and CirTech are/were totally unrelated. Sir-Tech is still is
in business. I haven't heard about CirTech.

CirTech's ads used to specifically state that they had nothing to do with
Sir-Tech.
 
--Jay

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: Re: 65802 problem
Keywords: 65802
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:47:24 GMT

>From: a0m2504@rigel.tamu.edu (AKITOMO MORITA)
 
>On another note, I noticed that the //e board has four silver(?) contacts on
>the lower left-hand corner.  Can I use these to power a logic probe?  In other
>words, does anybody know the signals or purpose of these contact?
 
I don't know about the //e, but the IIGS has a small edge connector on the
lower right. It is hidden by the part of the cover that covers the power light.
You can take this part of the cover by pressing back on some plastic pieces
underneath. Anyway, the edge connector _was_ :( used for testing the IIGS's at
the factory.
 
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu

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From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Subject: Re: DeskJet 500 TO GS--Help!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:39:01 GMT

From article <C1A6yG.H3I@vcd.hp.com>, by Mitchell McKinnon <mitchm@vcd.hp.com>:
> The HP DeskWriter
> printers are designed for the MAC world.

The DeskWriter works like a champ in both //e, //c, and IIgs world.
for the 8 bit folks there is an excellent driver in John Links
SuperPatch program which is available from Quality. In addition,
Vitesse and Seven Hills both provide 16 bit drivers that allow you
to use any font.

Other programs i.e., AppleWriter, etc., work well, however, they
can't take advantage of the proportional printing that John Link
provides. (Sure hope hope my brain kept the names straight and
SuperPatch is his an not Mark Munz's. In any case, it is John
Link's Appleworks classic patcher that is needed.)

> To provide both environment
> capabilities in the same printer would make the printer more expensive.

If you mean having both parallel and serial, the DeskWriter has
both.

Kind Regards,
-- 

		Joe Walters att!ihlpm!bird, IH 2A-227 (708) 224-7189
		To know, and not to do, is not yet to know
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: FPI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:13:19 EST
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

There was a post and many following posts under the heading:
"ROM 1 vs ROM 3."  Amoungst the "following" was one about RAM
refresh.  I, using my infinite wisdom, claimed that RAM was
refreshed on the GS the same way as on the II+ I play with when
doing electronics.  I was corrected!!!  

In fact, Derek scribed:

|Any questions?  I'd be glad to talk about it...  Oh, and somebody
|tell me if I got CAS and RAS reversed, please.

Dave said something similiar.  I then posted the following:

|Thanks Dave and Derek.  Right there on page 14 & 24 of the hardware
|ref. is exactly what you have outlined.  I guess all the world knows
|except me!  I guess that is what I get for doing all of my electronics
|on a II+ and all my programing on a gs.  Where is there more info on
|this beastie?  How does it work?  Is there a counter somewhere within?
|How is timing maintained?     Thanks    Larry

The beastie in question was the "FPI."  So far, there has been no
follow-up.  Can anyone answer the questions I have about same?

Thanks              Larry

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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: EPSON APL patch for Appleworks
Organization: The Junk Factory, Oklahoma
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:16:44 GMT

Umm, can someone please email me the patch to patch APL and APL clone cards
to work with AppleWorks?  Thanks.

For those who had problems using the APL card with PT3, try the SMT Printech II
driver.  Works for me.

Roy
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS+AFP Unix server
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:23:15 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <C19M06.Br6@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu
(Philip McDunnough) writes:
[...]
>I don't want to discourage you from writing TCP/IP for the GS. I'd like to
>see it done, just as much as you'd like to finish it. But, there is no need
>for it just to link into the Internet. Here's a simpler way. Use an Appletalk
>based network and one Mac with Apple's new Internet Router software, which
>converts TCP/IP to Appletalk and vice versa.

So, are you offering to buy me a Mac?  Sorry Phil, but the solution of
"buy a Mac to do the routing for you" just doesn't wash for most of us.

>Philip 
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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