From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:24:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.025917.18477@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul22.175944.1@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au> p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:
>
>......
>>
>>Please list the argument for PRC's defeat. 
>>I can not tell Viet Won the War. Only because PRC retreated from Vietname,
>>you claim that Viet won the War! 
>>my side argument:
>>  1. It was not PRC's intension to occupy vietname.
>>     200,000 troops is not going to occupy a nation with 1 million troops.
>>     the intension is only to show Vietname is vulnurable, the objective
>>     was well achieved when last garrison toward Hanoi, LiangSan was
>>     captured.
>
>The original intention was to take over Honei in around 3 weeks. And
>force Vietnam to withrdraw from Kampuchia. We all know it is Wei Wei
>Jiou Zhau. But the Chinese side failed in this. Not to mention the heave
>casualty. And Vietnam didn't have any real army there but some local
>militia. Only the taking of LiangSan forced Vietnam moved the 1st
>Division back to the north to defend Honei. And the war in Kamputia was
>almost over.
>
>Chinese withdraw is due to the pressure from USSR. Had the Chinese taken
>over Honei in 3 weeks. USSR won't have a chance to put the pressure.
> 
>>   2. Another objective was to stop Vietname abuse ethnic Chinese, which
>>     resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China alone.
>
>This is rarely a reason for China to go to the war with neighbors. To the
>gorvenment, Chinese life is the cheapest commodity.
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Unfound argument! Compare to which government?
Poor and weak nation may demand their people suffer more the have 
diginity!
>
>The war didn't save Pol Pat's regime. (This is good) And the war didn't
>bring any benefit to China but left thousent people died. The good
It was part of Cold War. Right before the clash Deng visited U.S.
Soviet fear China and U.S. had secret agreement on the matter!
Chinese troops massed toward Sino-Soviet border!
It was not to help Pol Pat. It was to wake up vietname from living in a
fantasy of "World Stronngest Millitary" whith Soviet support. It was to stop
Abusing Chinese in Vietname. It was to stop Vietname shelling Chinese towns
near the border(I saw it on filmes). Should the War be fought or not? Should
there be a better way to fight it(example through sea to land off shore rather
than attach those fortified mountains). Or should we retreat from those 
mountains region are all other issues.
>thing about the war is that the legend of the PLA was blown up. The all
>knew the PLA isn't a Steel Great Wall any more. And the PLA didn't have
>too much to say when the reform started.
>
>>Westeners pretend to have monoply on truth and facts. Like the genocide
>>claim in tibet, which is absolutely fabrication not only to Chinese people
>>but also to people like U.S. statedepartment officals who visited tibet,
>>and U.N. officials. But that did not stop Westen media keep bring up
>>Tibet Genocide. To you guys, why bother with the truth, if lie
>>serve you better--make you pompous!
>>Enjoy yourself! You do not have to know anything.
>
>Tingli Pan


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