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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:03:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      U2's openers

>         Although Public Enemy are an exceptional group anything
>         would have been better than The Disposable Heroes of
>         Hipopcracy and Primus who opened for U2 while they were
>         around here in New Jersey.
>
>         Any thoughts

Just that Primus would have been GREAT.  Almost as cool as the Pixies.  DHH
I'm not too hot on, but Claypool (the Base plyer for Primus) is one of the
best IMHO.

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2

I'm having problems with the system today, so I apologize for the format of thi
s one.  I'm under the Maid's Bedlam.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:53:37 MDT you said:
>
>It's nice to know someone else around here is hot-to-trot besides myself and
>the spanish sex historian.
>
Ouch!  Nailed to the bedpost by the Maiden.  Exposed and unmasked in my academi
c/intellectual pursuits.  I humbly plead guilty before Allmusicdom.  I am indee
d engaged in a long-term study tentatively entitled Courtship, Seduction and Ab
andonment in Early Modern Spain (1500-1700).  It revolves around many promises
of marriage (most of them of course broken by males), considerable consensual h
anky-panky (before and outside of marriage), wonderful lawsuits and trials wher
e all the dirt comes out (with richly detailed descriptions of who did what to
whom, when and where.  Interestingly, some of it during/around dances and villa
ge festivals), significant numbers of misbehaving clerics (cohabiting with wome
n of all states in violation of ecclesiastical teachings and vows), and a smatt
ering of prostitutes, procuresses/pimps, go-betweens and sodomites. Oh yeah, th
is great stuff!  And as part of my work, I get to read such articles as "Intima
cy, Labor and Class: Ideologies of Feminine Sexuality in the Punk Slam Dance."
(I'm too old to slam dance but can still do a mean pogo as I did to "Rock Lobst
er" at a recent wedding, with the bride no less!)  One more interesting title f
or the Maiden: "The Curriculum of the Body: Lessons from a Catholic High School
."  I'm sure that Canookie was the head student.

    Renato "Taking it easy but trying to take it any way he can" Barahona
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:48:07 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Epic debut albums - part 2

OOOps!!!!

I stand/sit at the keyboard corrected. . .

"Songs From The Big Chair" was NOT the first album for Tears for Fears.


Michelle "Ignoramus" May
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:47:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: Lifeless Air Pudding

>From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

>McIntyrely said:

>> our intended target is that bland,
>> lifeless air pudding that has co-opted the term "ambient music".

>What a GREAT name for a band (a very offensive band): Air Pudding!

Taken from the Doonesbury comic strip.  It was title of one the "tunes"
Boopsie would play while hot tubbing.

>> to be the equivalent of genocide.  So to those who would ask, "Do you
>> play ambient music?", we would answer, "Oh yes, ambient genocide."
>>

>I was all prepared to be self-righteously offended, but you've convinced
>me--it's a good title.  BTW has anybody actually come through and ASKED you the
>above question, allowing you the satisfaction of replying?

You were the first to ask that question.  Which is why I had to come up
with something off the top of my head without consulting with Rick who
had suggested the title in the first place.  When I did tell him how
you were bothered by the word "genocide", he responded, "Good; she
*should* be bothered."

At one Totentanz show, this guy came up between sets and asked the
Reverend if we played weddings.  The Reverend laughingly responded, "Only for
the Bride of Frankenstein."  He was then quite embarrassed when he
realized the guy was serious.  Well, semi-serious.  He said it was
most unlikely that he ever would get married, but if he did, we
were the type of band he would like to have play at his wedding.
Would certainly make for some interesting dances.

>(wonder what the Bloom-man thinks of your aspersions on "ambience")

I think he's playing a similar game of confounding expectations.
The imagery associated with ambient music is rural, if not bucolic.
Urban Ambience must seem an oxymoron to New Agers.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
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Subject: Re: Top 5 Vocalists
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:58:45 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET (Leonard Watkins) writes:

>I actually looked for some Queensryche at the library to give them a 
>chance... but I have heard Pearl Jam and they're IMHO (re-read that IMHO) 
>they are a joke...

[Baffled look]  1990's Seattle Grunge != 1980's Seattle Progressive Metal.
Hope you find some, and hope you like it... I suggest looking for "Rage for
Order" or "Operation: mindcrime"

-Shag

-- 

     Freedom belongs to only those without video screens for eyes and mouth.
		- Queensryche
From: USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave Hall)
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Subject: Re: Motorhead on the Tonight show
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:13:04 GMT
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              13 Oct 1992 17:08:00 EST from <WEINDAN%HWS.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:08:00 EST <WEINDAN%HWS.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> said:
>lyrical content of the songs is about as thought provoking as blue cheese! What
>new Warrant album or something...
>        - Gabe Weinstock
      Hey!  Be kind to Blue Cheese!

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:01:47 -0700
From:         "Timothy M. Williams" <twillia@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mexican music

Try the music of Carlos Chavez or Juan Ponce.  These are two of the
greatest of Mexico's classical tradition composers of the 20th century era.
Their music is highly influenced by the folk traditions of Mexican music
and culture.

I now step off my soap box
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:03:28 CDT
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Indigo Girls
              11 Oct 1992 11:17:30 -0400 from <jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU>

I'm glad to see someone recommend the Indigo Girls - I'm not at all familiar
with them, but my college stations played one of their tunes recently, and
it got me *very* interested. I didn't have a clue about who it was until the
DJ back-announced that it was Indigo Girls. Is their recent album (Rites of
Passage, I presume?) a good place to start? If not, where?

Thanks,
Paul Heroy
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Subject: Re: discussions on all forms of music?
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:20:32 GMT
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Mike -
  the conversation tends to roll along here.
some weeks it is good, some weeks it just
fills the reader.  but thinking back to
the past couple of months, I feel like
I've been involved in some interesting
discussions - and my areas of interest
musically are (largely) only shared by
a couple of other folks on the net.
  when the talk wanders out of your
area of interest, just skim along.
when you have a lot to say, say it.
  if the traffic is too heavy for your
reader, take a break and sign up for
the digested version.

           -Tim
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:26:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: music to boat by

>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>

>I am now the proud owner of a 24' Rainbow class sloop.  And when I sloop--er,
>sail--I like to belt out a few lusty sea chanteys from time to time, as
>usually no one is within range to object.  Trouble is, I can't think of very
>much besides "The Sloop John B." and "Southern Cross", which is my oeuvre of
>choice at the moment.  So--in the grand tradition of =ALLMUSIC= lists, send
>me your favorite sailing songs!

Congratulations on the new toy, Ken.

As for sailing music, well, there is always the album _Sea Shanties_ by
High Tide. 8-)

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University

P.S. For those unfamiliar with the album, the smiley is due to the deceptive
nature of the packaging.  I mean, given the album title and the group name,
wouldn't you expect traditional sea shanties, probably sung acapella?
Instead the album is light on vocals and extremely heavy on instrumentation
with burning guitar and the electric violin of Simon House who later played
with Hawkwind and David Bowie.  I wonder how many sales they lost because
people drew the wrong assumption, and I wonder how many stores mistakenly
filed it under "Traditional" and lost the custom of people who bought it. 8-)
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Mysterious semblance at the strand of nightmares
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:54:26 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92101413262753@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
>From:         TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
>Subject:      Re: New Thread
>I like a lot of the tribute records, especially the ones Hal Willner's done on
>jazz guys like Monk. Has anybody got the Mingus tribute _Weird Nightmare_ yet,
>and interested in posting a review?

I saw it, but I am too scared to buy it.  I think I heard something
from it this morning, if so, I didn't like it.   The Monk?  I liked some
of it, some of it I didn't.  You can guess the stuff I liked best was
Lacy's.  As for the Hal Wilner projects, I think I like the Nino Rota's
the best.  I also have the Disney and Kurt Weill ones.  They all have
something interesting.  Sting did a great job on Mack The Knife.

>> 01/11 # 24th German Jazz Festival Frankfurt feat. Melody 4 (Tony Coe,
>>         Lol Coxhill, Steve Beresford), Sonny Sharrock, The Art Of The
>>         Slide Guitar feat. David Lindley, Henry Kaiser, Bob Brozman,
>>         Freddie Roulette, Scott Colby, and others - Bockenheimer Depot,
>>         Frankfurt
>
>How come they never book festivals like this in my country? :-(
>
>(Holds up a picture of George Wein and tears it up.) Fight the real enemy!

hehehe, JVC is also notorious for having lame jaz fests.  BTW, a friend
has an album by the same people in the Melody 4, if it wasn't under the
Melody 4 name.  They did some hilarious covers of TV themes.  The
original Star Trek ( which had lyrics, btw) )  The Munster.

Jeff
From: HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET (Paul Heroy)
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Subject: Re: John Campbell Band
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:12:02 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:59:18 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>
>Cray. What i find interesting is the writng for Cray is all bout 'love', but
>on Campbell's album it's all pretty sinister..pick up the album you'll like

No kidding - it seemed like half his songs had a 'hellhounds after me' type
mood. He's definitely got some really evil grooves, and has the voice to go
with it. Lots of his stuff had a great boogie groove too. Man, I'm really
knocked out over this guy, I'll definitely be looking for that album. Hope
it lives up to his live sound.

Paul Heroy
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Subject: Re: Mexican music
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:50:00 GMT
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SUBJECT: Oscar Chavez

       Oscar Chavez has a very particular way of 'replay' the old folk mexican
music, and besides that Oscar has his own way of seeing the mexican way of life.
   For example, he dedicated about ten years of his musical carrier to criticize

the mexican president and the goverment. This act wasn't good for the president
and he ordered jail for Chavez. Oscar continued singing critics to the goverment
   and he became a real composer of our century, few mexican listen to him.

    Good musician, try him.

Hector Diaz
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From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      "g.g." asks a favor

>  For those of you who spend many hours scouring the used vinyl racks
>(in places where there *are* such things -- sure aren't any in Mo'haid),
>I would like to ask a favor. Should you happen to run across the EP
>_Road Games_ by Allan Holdsworth, please contact me with the asking
>price and condition. No, I already have a copy, thanks... but many (MANY)
>of the Atavachron folks do not, and it's really tough to find. Y'see,
>this was the one and only recording Allan did for Warner Bros., as a
>result of Eddie Van Halen's influence (Allan had no label, Ed was a big

I couldn't find *any* of Allan Holdsworth's stuff the other day. I figured I'd
browse through some of his stuff, but noooooooo. I'd like to check out some of
his music being as he is highly regarded among the allmusic folk, and being as
you have devoted an entire list to him. Thing is, I don't think I've ever heard
anything by him.

So what do you recommend to start?

Let's hope this time, I don't have to go to umpteen record stores like I had to
to find some Sharrock.

Seeya,
Gary
"Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling.
 Think for yourself and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet."
- Queensryche
From: MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET (Michelle May)
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Subject: Re: Epic debut albums - part 2
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:18:41 GMT
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Tears for Fears first epic album was called "Songs from the Big Chair".
Didn't they only do one more album and then split up?  I know Roland what's-
his-name produced some of Oleta Adam's debut--which, by the way, was an epic
debut also, IMHO.


Michelle "Two Thumbs Up" May

P.S.  I have to admit (snicker) that I saw the subject line, and for a long
time I thought we were talking about people who had debut albums on the Epic
Record Company Label.  Duh!!! 8-)
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Subject: Tonight Show
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:10:00 GMT
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20 minutes I got home and flipped on the T.V.  There on Leno was a pretty
decent acoustic guitar.  I was fairly impressed.  But then, it seemed I'd
heard it before.  Indeed, I was watching Ottmar Liebert whose latest
album I had been given as a gift a while ago (and whose album did not
impress me).  So, I guess I'll have to give the album another listen.

Anyone else have any thoughts about this guy?  Is his album just over-
produced or what?  Well, maybe I'll have to go listen to it and find out...

Oh yah, Johny Lee Hooker was also on the show.  Unfortunately I totally
missed him.  Did he play at all?  What was the interview like?  If nothing
else, Leno's musical choices are much better then Carson's.

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:41:43 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A survivor from Warsaw
              16 Oct 1992 09:29:23 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:29:23 EDT Sonia Kovitz said:
>p.s. Jake, in defending blues, I thought it was funny you pointed out that
>Robert Lockwood (I think) could also play JAZZ and Little Walter could also
>play BE-BOP....  Hey, you don't have to switch out of blues to defend the
>blues!  Albert King hanging on ONE note is all you'll ever need...

Nuff said

PREACH IT SONIA................L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:31:10 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Blues - Put up or Shut up

I have a great idea since that quote that still baffles me and i can't
remember who posted it "if i only knew three chords i'd have the blues too'
seem to imply that it's easy to play so if you think it is hows about a
challenge to all you muscially beyond blues muscians, since it's so very easy
I would like for you to send me a tape of you playing Srv, Jimi's Red House,
Buddy Guy, Lighting Hopkins, Robert Johnson, Johnny Winter that will be
enuff, i'll pay you for the tape, i know you can do it in a short time
being that it is so easy. My adress is:  Leonard Watkins
                                         6269 Renda Cir
                                         Pinson Al. 35126
So now it's put up or shut up....admit your wrong and can't do it or
fill my mailbox.......What you gonna do......I'll be waiting L.W.

P.S. don't get fired up and start trying to flame me or something stupid
like that...just mail it and i'll send a reveiw to the board.
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:46:22 CST
From:         "(Arturo Sanchez)" <txmrtur@TXM.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      The Jorge Reyes collection (was Re: Mexican music)

On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:13:00 CST, Hector Diaz <AD81095@UDLAPVMS> writes:

 >   The album is't called: "A la izquierda del colibri", it's played by Jorge
 >Reyes (the only mexican that plays the original prehispanic instruments with
 >modern synths). He has many recording of this type, and recordings with the
 >normal instruments.

JR's music is quite a collection to have, just to add my 2 cents... They sell
some of his music at the "Museo Nacional de Antropologia e Historia" in
Mexico City. I don't know if there are CDs of all his albums. I know he
just finished a new one ...this one IS available on CD, though I can't recall
the title...:-7

BTW...somebody mentioned "Latin American" music while refering to Mexican
music. This is not accurate, Mexico does not geographically belong to the
area under the name of Latin America nor its music is acknowledged under
that current. Thats 2 more cents...;-)
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From: MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 19:00:26 GMT
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On Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:02:28 EDT Michael H. Bloom said:
>
>From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
>Subject:      Re: True Religion
>
>> recorders (which play at 4 foot pitch, not at the regulation 8...
>
>Who writes these regulations? A popular tee shirt around MIT reads, "186,000
>miles per second: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!"

Sopranos, Mike, sopranos write the regulations--can't you guess?  :-)
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:58:20 -0700
From:         "Timothy M. Williams" <twillia@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Perfumed ambience

Your talk of improvisation being more "real" than written music misses an
important factor:  the two are not the same thing.  Improvisation is a
performance art, and performance of classical tradition music is a
composer's art.  The goal of improvisation is to achieve the forms and
continuity of written music.  The goal of written music is to achieve the
higher meaning and thought processes of the composer.

I now climb off the soap box.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:49:49 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:39:00 EDT <V5151U@TEMPLEVM> said:
>ARE THE DOORS THE BEST OR WHAT?????????????????????????????????????????

No, they aren't.
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