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From: janjaap@blade (Janjaap van Velthooven)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Erik van de Pol email address
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:08:47 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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For all of you who couldn't reach me:

	Contact me at   erikp@stack.urc.tue.nl

Note that you may have to use this address explicitly. If there is anyone
who can't reach me now, I don't know cos I am _not_ a unix guru..

	Erik van de Pol
From: seifert@diku.dk (Michael Seifert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:14:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

goodwin@edieng.enet.dec.com (Pete Goodwin) writes:


>In article <1992Sep5.145226.27814@odin.diku.dk>, seifert@diku.dk (Michael Seifert) writes...

>>Before buying an Archimedes ask yourself the question if you can live with
>>4 megs of memory. Any mem above 4 meg is expensive enough to blow any
>>budget off its feet. Also anything above 8 megs is virtually impossible.
>> 
>>So the machine is kind of outdated. Who dares say 'I can only put 8 megs
>>in my 32 bit computer???'

>That's funny, I seem to be able to run with 4Mbytes of RAM. I do raytracing, C
>compilations, DTP, and still have room to spare. Not all at once, of course!

>Why do you think you need 8Mbytes for? To run UNIX? To load very big pictures?
>To do heavy DTP?

>Pete Goodwin
>goodwin@system.enet.dec.com

Gcc and Unix. And then 8 Megs ain't even enough. (gcc will probably never
get converted as it takes up too much memory).

--Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
From: amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell)
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 02:12:28 GMT

In article <Bu64M7.8Fn@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>PS Anyone know if a Sparcstation1 can take more than 16Mb?

Probably not, max mem in a sparcstation SLC is 16MB, in the IPC it is 48MB,
In the Sun 4/470 it is a whopping 672MB :-)

Andy
From: smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Computer Shopper Magazine (UK)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:41:50 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

What do people think to the Archimedes column in the latest Computer
Shopper magazine?

In my opinion, it is the worst yet. The columnist continues to take every
opportunity to (apparently) put Acorn down, and his facts are so incorrect!
It looks as if he based his comments on the new machines on rumour rather
than fact..

Simon.
From: janjaap@blade (Janjaap van Velthooven)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spice 3A6
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:13:19 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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jjjbokma@cs.ruu.nl (John Bokma) writes:
: 
: Yes, please post it!
: 
: John

I am sorry guys, but you have to be patient for a little while: if you look
in newsgroup comp.lsi.cad, you will know why. Berkeley has stopped making
Spice distributable for free :-( , which may impose that I can't spread the
program.... (BWEEEEEH and that after a year of work SNIF).  

I am waiting for an answer on some questions I sent to berkeley last friday,
but I haven't received a response yet.

If it turns out to be illegal to spread sources (they say you can't even spread
_old_ versions, and since the version I got hands on is from 1985, that is a
bit out of date), I will post the BINARIES any way.

I also want you to know that This port was done in cooperation with my brother.
Saying that I ported the program by myself would be a lie!

For those who don't know my mail address, it should be:

	erikp@stack.urc.tue.nl

	Erik van de Pol
From: Graham.Shaw@newcastle.ac.uk (G.D.Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

In article <1992Sep9.020644.5538@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell) writes:
>Only expandable to 16MB if you have a 540/R260/R225, the other machines have
>8MB as an upper limit.
>
Risc User reported on a 16MB memory expansion for the A5000 a couple of
months ago.  It consisted of four modules: 2MB to 4MB, 4MB to 8MB,
8MB to 12MB and 12MB to 16MB.  Total cost was around UK#1000 for 14MB.
(I can look up the details if anyone is interested).

Graham Shaw (dph3gds@tuda.ncl.ac.uk)
Department of Physics, Durham University, England.
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: PD Software Wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:36:58 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

A friend of mine has some questions to ask and since he is without net
access I've volunteered to lend him my terminal.  Here goes :-)

HELP!

As far as I know, I'm the only owner in West Lothian with an Archie!
Since the Archimedes Kent User Group shut last year, I have been bereft
of contacts and a good supply of PD software. If there is anyone out
there who would wish to get in contact with me to solve my problem,
please write to :

MARK FLETCHER,
6 THOMSON GROVE,
UPHALL,
WEST LOTHIAN,
SCOTLAND,
EH52 6BP.

P.S. About Karma: Release 2.0. I've seen pics of Elite 2, and frankly I
dont believe Karma2 will meet the grade.

Anyone beg to differ?

	Mark Fletcher

------------------------ Message Ends.

I'll also take e-mail for him should anyone wish to post flames about
Karma :-)

	Mark

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From: ajdh@bnr.co.uk (Andrew J D Hurley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Acorn Pocketbook
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:00:46 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, Harlow, GB

In article <1992Sep9.150343.321@cs.nott.ac.uk> smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
>The Pocketbook retails for exactly the same price as the "equivalent"
>Psion Series 3. One major attraction of the Pocketbook is that it can be
>linked to the Archimedes - this link costs an extra #50, but is virtually
>an essential purchase for any Pocketbook owner. Also, the Pocketbook does
>not contain Diary software (unlike the Psion 3); this is surely one of
>the most important pieces of software for such a device, but has to be
>bought separately for an extra #30, as well as taking up a card slot.
>
>Have I got these facts correct?

That's how I read it too, unless Acorn bring out some sort of combined
software card with diary (the *most* important feature of a pocket
computer for be as it would have to replace my Casio diary), the dialling
software and maybe to programming language all on one card.

My conclusion was that I would be better off with a normal Psion 3 if I
could get the comms link to my A3000, it's not as though I want
spreadsheet software anyway - I've never had a need for one yet - and
I seriously doubt if many school kids (where the pocketbook is aimed)
are interested either. Dairies, address books, calculators and maybe
word processors ... but a spreadsheet ?!!

I shall be waiting for the Newton, though I doubt if I'll be able
to afford one :-(


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From: jeff@ee.latrobe.edu.au (Jeff O'Keefe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spice 3A6
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:57:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Electronic Engineering, La Trobe University

In article <5320@tuegate.tue.nl> erikp@blade (Erik van de Pol) writes:
>
>I was wondering if any of you wants spice 3A6 for the Archimedes. My brother
>and I managed to port it, and since there seem to be lots of Electronics
>students out there, one or two of you may be interested. This simulator
>has most of the options of the PC variant (PSPICE) and can no doubt put up
>with more expensive versions on other machines.
>

To: erikp@blade... hmm?

	I would be interesting in trying spice. I have used pspice on the PC
and pspice for windows and have found them very useful. (except that they
were running on a PC :-)  ) How successful do you think this version would be
on a floppy system? I don't mind a little disk swapping, but if it takes up
ten disks...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
From: jjjbokma@cs.ruu.nl (John Bokma)
Subject: Re: Spice 3A6
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:16:39 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <5320@tuegate.tue.nl> erikp@blade (Erik van de Pol) writes:
>
>If you are interested, please email me, and I will post it somewhere in the
>near future.
>
>PS. Is this the right sub-newsgroup?
>

Yes, please post it!

John
From: erikp@blade (Erik van de Pol)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Spice 3A6
Summary: Spice for the arc
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:23:44 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hi there,

I was wondering if any of you wants spice 3A6 for the Archimedes. My brother
and I managed to port it, and since there seem to be lots of Electronics
students out there, one or two of you may be interested. This simulator
has most of the options of the PC variant (PSPICE) and can no doubt put up
with more expensive versions on other machines.

Some specs:

	Analog circuit simulator (BSpice)
	Graphical post processor (Nutmeg) featuring multi-tasking, scripts,
	     draw file creation, and lots more.
	Work directory manager
	(limited) documentation (we are working on new docs)
	sub-circuits, models, preferences etc.

If you are interested, please email me, and I will post it somewhere in the
near future.

PS. Is this the right sub-newsgroup?
From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:07:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>PS Anyone know if a Sparcstation1 can take more than 16Mb?

I'm sitting at one that has 32MB. I believe it can go higher, but I'm
not sure. A SPARCstation 2 can go up to 128MB.

As for needing that much memory, if you run SML (at least the
New Jersey implementation) you need at least 16MB to do even small
jobs, and if you want to bootstrap the compiler you really want at
least 64MB (else your machine will be swapping for days).

I think the 16MB limit on Acorns RISC ix workstations is a major
shortcoming. If they allowed at least 64MB and had an FPU (hopefully
coming soon), they would be serious competition to Suns etc. As they
stand they are nice but somewhat limited and overpriced.

Most of the people on the net have access to Unix workstations and are
working professionally or academically with computers. Such people
tend to need more menory than most. However, few users of the A3010
will even know what SML is, nor will they want ro run Unix or gcc. I
believe few "normal users" will need more than 4MB, and many will be
quite happy with 1 or 2MB.

	Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)

P.S.
I know that Edinburgh SML is available for the Arc, and runs in
relatively little memory. It is, however, not a full SML (no modules)
and it is very slow.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:58:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.145226.27814@odin.diku.dk> seifert@diku.dk (Michael Seifert) writes:
>Before buying an Archimedes ask yourself the question if you can live with
>4 megs of memory. Any mem above 4 meg is expensive enough to blow any
>budget off its feet. Also anything above 8 megs is virtually impossible.

Expensive, yes, because you need the Acorn memory with MEMC on board;
8Mb, no - or I must have imagined the 16Mb on my archie.

>So the machine is kind of outdated. Who dares say 'I can only put 8 megs
>in my 32 bit computer???'

Everyone with Unix on a 386 is stuck with an upper limit of 16Mb; the
hardware doesn't easily address anything higher, so all these people
with their 64Mb 386 machines are bullshitting.

G
PS Anyone know if a Sparcstation1 can take more than 16Mb?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
From: Gavin.Flower@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Gavin Flower)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:49:08 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep6.104104.21709@rdg.dec.com> goodwin@edieng.enet.dec.com (Pete Goodwin) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep5.145226.27814@odin.diku.dk>, seifert@diku.dk (Michael Seifert) writes...
>
>>Before buying an Archimedes ask yourself the question if you can live with
>>4 megs of memory. Any mem above 4 meg is expensive enough to blow any
>>budget off its feet. Also anything above 8 megs is virtually impossible.
>> 
>>So the machine is kind of outdated. Who dares say 'I can only put 8 megs
>>in my 32 bit computer???'
>
>That's funny, I seem to be able to run with 4Mbytes of RAM. I do raytracing, C
>compilations, DTP, and still have room to spare. Not all at once, of course!
>
>Why do you think you need 8Mbytes for? To run UNIX? To load very big pictures?
>To do heavy DTP?

I've seen MS-Windows "working" on a one Meg machine - painful.  If I
had not seen an Archimedes, I would find the Arc (1 Meg) claims of
speed in a wimp with extreme skepticism.

Anybody that is used to MS-Windows, OS/2, UNIX, or Apple's System 7,
have been conditioned to believe that you can't do much useful, unless
you have more than 4 Meg, and preferably 8 or more! 

Therefore if Acorn want to sell to such people, or organisations whose
computer purchasing is dominated by such people, then they are in for
an uphill battle - on memory capacity alone.

Remember that the ARM6xy has 32 bit addressing, so I'm sure that Acorn
are working on machines that can address large amounts of memory.
Though I think it will at least a year before Acorn deliver such a
machine.  When they do, I suspect it will contain an ARM7xy or better.
Also, I believe that Risc-OS will need to be changed to support such
large addressing effectively. 

Gavin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy,comp.sys.acorn
From: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: A3010 views
Reply-To: cadwallader@forty2.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:38:03 GMT


Hi,
	First, APOLOGIES for following this string in comp.sys.acorn but
when I `View All Groups' I don't see comp.sys.acorn.advocacy there? Any
e-mail suggestions welcome - I'm using MXRN under Motif... I'd like to
get a handle on .advocacy!

	Thanks for the replies, in case anyone thought I was trying to
initiate a flame-war I find them useless! :-) I see Acorn and CBM as the
main contenders for "nicest machine" :-).

A500->A600

A600 is still pathetic 68000, 8MHz! :-( New AGA '020 machine soon tho'...
Will definitely keep my eye on the A3010 though... ARM250 sounds great
for low-end!

	I'll just follow up reading replies and taking notes... however
FYI (I hope this will interest you) ... some VERY interesting details have
come from World Of Commodore, Pasadena about the *next* Amiga chips past
the new AGA chipset. Details are *PHENOMINAL* (no joke, 72Hz-100Hz screen
refresh of 800*600*256 cols, capability of one blitter per bitplane, true
24-bit colour ... etc .. etc). Anyone interested can mail me for the 
posting, it is really, really interesting.

	You guys should appreciate this last bit, CBM VP Engineer - giving
the "hardware goals" presentation mentioned a *RISC* processor TWICE!
Hmmmmm..... since DEC and CBM have recently signed reseller agreements on
Amiga, could this mean an Alpha-Amiga?????

	Regards,
								- JIM CAD*
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer Shopper Magazine (UK)
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:50:56 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Sep14.224150.2715@cs.nott.ac.uk> smb@cs.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows) writes:
>What do people think to the Archimedes column in the latest Computer
>Shopper magazine?
>
>In my opinion, it is the worst yet. The columnist continues to take every
>opportunity to (apparently) put Acorn down, and his facts are so incorrect!
>It looks as if he based his comments on the new machines on rumour rather
>than fact..

Some of his facts are dubious, but his MAJOR gripe about Acorn *STILL*
supplying the shabby multisync monitors with the A5000 is still spot on.

BTW what happened to the promised at launch #999 ex VAT 2Mb, hard discless
A5000 model the journalists wanted to upgrade cheaper than Acxorn could
supply as a full system ??? Probably be taking the A4000 market away I
guess :-) at say 799 ex VAT ?!

Neil


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
From: amell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Andrew P.Mell)
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 02:06:44 GMT

In article <Bu64M7.8Fn@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>
>Expensive, yes, because you need the Acorn memory with MEMC on board;
>8Mb, no - or I must have imagined the 16Mb on my archie.
>

Only expandable to 16MB if you have a 540/R260/R225, the other machines have
8MB as an upper limit.

Andy
From: psyhsmb@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Simon Burrows)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: High Density Disc Drive Upgrades for pre A5000 Machines
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:16:51 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Originator: psyhsmb@unicorn.nott.ac.uk

Now that RISC OS 3 is finally available to all (well, nominally at least!),
a number of companies are poised to release high density disc drive upgrades
for the Archimedes, at very inexpensive prices. These will use an interface
designed to take advantage of the built in RISC OS 3 support for such discs,
minimising compatibility problems and reducing the cost. For example, the
latest issue of Archimedes World magazine contains an advert for such an
upgrade costing only fifty nine pounds, including the drive (Datathorn Ltd).

Simon.
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From: valerio@sabrina.dei.unipd.it ( Valerio Pulese )
Subject: Re:PSPICE
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:05:44 GMT


Hi!
I'm interested,too. 
I study Electronic Eng. and soon I'll need to use Spice ,so...
post it pleeease.
Thanks
			Valerio

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From: seifert@diku.dk (Michael Seifert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arcs and Graphics...
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:52:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:

>Hello,

>Thanks to all of those who responded to my request for information some
>time ago about the Acorn range of machines. I was put in touch with a 
>person from Acorn in Melbourne (I think) who promptly sent me a whole mess of
>brochures on the Acorn range.

Before buying an Archimedes ask yourself the question if you can live with
4 megs of memory. Any mem above 4 meg is expensive enough to blow any
budget off its feet. Also anything above 8 megs is virtually impossible.

So the machine is kind of outdated. Who dares say 'I can only put 8 megs
in my 32 bit computer???'


--Michael

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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.advocacy
Subject: Re: RISC OS 3.1 Upgrade Availability
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:24:27 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Sep4.193411.10621@waikato.ac.nz> mcg@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>It took c.s.a. to inform people that adfbuffers should be set to 0 *AND* there 


My A5000 pack contained a small pamphlet of known bugs - the very first was
a warning not to change adfsbuffers from zero otherwise the hard disc could
be corrupted. 





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