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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Jeff Dauber's posting on NAMBLA
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:59:40 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <11845@optilink.UUCP> manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley) writes:

>You have stated that you would vehemently oppose and push for
>prosecution anyone found guilty of child molestation as defined 
>above. 
>
>Question: How do we resolve your support for NAMBLA when one of their
>stated goals is in direct opposition to your stated viewpoint?  

This is easy.

I support NAMBLA's right to try and change the laws in this country. 
If they make any progress towards ELIMINATING the age of consent, I will
fight them.  However, until an individual is caught molesting a child,
I do not support criminal prosecution of these people.


Simple.


FWA
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: AB 2601 on the Governor's Desk
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:51:19 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


And you thought our friends in Sacramento were unable to get anything
done?  Nonsense.  They can't get a budget out, but they managed to
pass AB 2601, the gay rights bill.  Unlike last time, where they
defined sexual orientation, this time they don't -- just codify
existing case law that says that being homosexual and "out" is
political activity, therefore being homosexual is protected under
the civil rights laws as political activity.

If you are tired of the government telling consenting adults what
they can do in private, tell the governor to veto AB 2601.

(916) 445-2841

Do it now -- the phones are busy.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: ROSEBUD"S LAST WORDS
Date: Fri,  4 Sep 92 00:00:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Sadly, too few people realize that kooks like Rosebud were just what the
60's were all about. Read "The Destructive Generation " sometime. Rosebud
would make a great chapter.
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Homosexual marriages
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:55:55 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <p2mtupo@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.185717.24151@jack.sns.com>
jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:

>>What is this fixation you have with anal/feces matters?

>As a student of slang, I would like to point out that vulgarity in the 
>english language has always been associated with anal/fecal matters.  It
>has been the case since th 1500s.  Want a long dissertation on the history
>of vulgarity in the English language?  I have a 25 page term paper from
>many years ago which discusses this.

Actually, propensity for scatological humor and its associated vulgarity
appears to be universally human. You can go as far back as Aristophanes
to get a shitload of toilet-yuks.

And Aristophanes is considered classy!

Brian.
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From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Prop. 13 and California's fiscal crisis
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:17:05 GMT
            <1992Aug31.190040.28648@ultra.com>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <1992Aug31.190040.28648@ultra.com>
 by wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway):

: dbailey@wk49.nas.nasa.gov (David H. Bailey) quotes from the San Jose
: Mercury News:
:
:> When I moved to California, 25 years ago, our state could boast the
:> best public schools.  California had the best state university and
:> community college system.  Our highway system was superb.  Our
:> criminal justice and penal systems were renowned.  Our public parks
:> were considered the best in the nation.  Now that Jarvis-Gann has
:> taken full effect, the Golden State can no longer boast even top 20
:> status in any meaningful category that measures the quality of life.
:
: Would anybody happen to know the PERCENTAGE of state revenues that
: were spent on education 25 years ago compared with today?  Likewise
: for the highway system, criminal justice system, parks, and so forth.

Ah!  I just thot of something else!

While we're talking percentages and the state-provided "quality of
life," let us remember that 25 years ago there was NO WAR ON DRUGS.
Sure, drugs were illegal, and the laws were even enforced, but
nothing on the Grand Scale we witness today.

Thus, a much larger fraction of state revenues is going into putting
thugs into jail, instead of knowlege into students.

Which do we prefer?  Educated students, or jails full of junkies?

Which adds to the "quality of life?"

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them
first for seven hours, they always come out tender.  -- W. C. Fields
Newsgroups: ca.politics
From: leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:01:34 GMT

In article <394@vega.iii.com> rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins) writes:
:In article <12052@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
:>In article <1992Aug30.051305.1235@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
:>> In article <11973@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
:>
:>PR24.  It's plastic, not metal.
:>
:It's Kevlar, not plastic.
:
:| Russell Hockins             |  This civilization is recyclable             |

Side handle batons come in two forms, high tensil strength aluminum
and high strength plastic.  I never seen nor heard of Kevlar batons
and I hold a POST certificate for side handle batons.

Lee


|Lee F. Mellinger                 Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA
|4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/354-1163  FTS 792-1163     
|leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV

Newsgroups: ca.politics,alt.politics.correct
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Homosexual marriages
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:24:55 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <94734@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>In article <p2mtupo@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.185717.24151@jack.sns.com> jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:

>>>What is this fixation you have with anal/feces matters?

>>As a student of slang, I would like to point out that vulgarity in the 
>>english language has always been associated with anal/fecal matters.  It
>>has been the case since th 1500s.  Want a long dissertation on the history
>>of vulgarity in the English language?  I have a 25 page term paper from
>>many years ago which discusses this.

>Actually, propensity for scatological humor and its associated vulgarity
>appears to be universally human. You can go as far back as Aristophanes
>to get a shitload of toilet-yuks.

>And Aristophanes is considered classy!

(I shouldn't do this, but...)

Ah, yes.  There is a good reason for that.

You see, Aristophanes was a homosexual!

Probably a child molester!!

Definitely a member, if not the creator, of NAMBLA!!!

Isn't all that obvious from the evidence?!!!

--

I'd put a smiley in here, but someone stole my keyboard's
smiley key.

--
dave
manley@optilink.com
From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Homosexual marriages
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:51:07 GMT
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <1992Aug26.162557.22905@jack.sns.com>, jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:
|>         And I know people that have lived together as long or longer
|>         than a normal marriage. They simply lived together that does
|>         not make it a marriage. Simple a living arrangement. And that
|>         is all it is when two homosexuals live together.
|> 

So what makes it a marriage?  The blessing of a celibate?

-- 
To fathom hell, or soar angelic, take a pinch of psychedelic.
				Dr. Osmond
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Economy of CA
Keywords: total blinkered idiocy
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:14:18 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <55856@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
 by davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Dave Patterson):

: In article <!7=n2lf.madhaus@netcom.com>, tcox@us.oracle.com (Tom Cox) 
:    writes:

:> Bullshit.  Unemployment is now under 8% and rising slowly; in the Great
:> Depression it was over 30%.  GNP growth now is around +2% annualized; in
:> the first year of the Great Depression it was around -30%.
:
: Well, if you take into account the number of people 30% represented
: back then, and the number of people 8% represents now, I'd say they're
: probably pretty close to even.  

I don't think absolute numbers count.  You've got to stick with the
percentages.

However, there's one point on your side: the 8% only represents the
numbers of people who _apply_for_unemployment_.  Two things gets people
off the application process; one, they find a job, two, they give up.

The numbers of people who are unemployed, but are no longer applying at
the unemployment office, are probably pretty staggering.  I've heard
that 10% of the population is on welfare (or some form of relief), and
another good chunk is homeless (correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think 
you need an address to collect welfare).

Adding them together with applied-for unemployment probably doesn't 
total to much more than 20%, but they're getting up there.

: Also:
:
: de-pres-sion: #3c: a period of low general economic activity marked
: by mass unemployment, deflation, a decreasing use of resources, and
: a low level of investment.
:
:- Webster's Third International Dictionary, p. 606.
:
: Sounds like what's happening around here...

Well, so far the only thing DEflating around here is the price of
houses.  That's not going to help anybody, except for folks who've
already got jobs.  The unemployed, homeless and welfare beneficiaries
won't be taking advantage of lower housing prices.

I guess the long and the short of it is this: things are pretty damned 
bad, relatively bleak all around.  But I don't think it's quite fair to 
categorize it as a "DEPRESSION," not just yet.  We're getting there,
tho, hang on to your hats!

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Crime does not pay...as well as politics.
    -- A. E. Newman
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Concord Principles
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:30:25 GMT
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <9208242245.AA15895@echidna.swdc.stratus.com>
 by lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas):

:   *Third*, a growing and grave imbalance between the often
: converging power of Big Business, Big Government and the citizens of
: this country has seriously damaged our democracy and weakened our
: ability to correct this imbalance.  We lack the mechanisms of civic
: power.  We need a modern tool box for redeeming our democracy by
: strengthening our capacity for self-government and self-reliance both
: as individuals and as a community of citizens.  Our 18th century
: democratic rights need retooling for the proper exercise of our
: responsibilities as citizens of the 21st century.

The best way to get self-govt is to reduce the external govt.  Thus,
people will be force to govern themselves by default.

The *_fundamental_* problem with govt as exercised today is that it has
*_too_damn_much_power._*  Naturally Big Business gets involved, first
for self-defence, and thereafter for offence.

:   *Fourth*, the new democracy tool box contains measures for the
: purpose of protecting voters from having their voting powers diluted,
: over-run or nullified.  These measures are:
:
: (a) a binding none-of-the-above option on the ballot;
:
: (b) term limitations, 12 years and out;

I'll go along with those two.

: (c) public financing of campaigns through well-promoted 
: voluntary taxpayers checkoffs on tax returns;

This is "iffy."  We have such a check-off now, but it "costs" nothing.
Where does the money come from?  If you make it a voluntary check-off
with real money coming out a tax-payer's pocket, and use *_only_* that
money, and let the money go to *_anybody_* who wants to run for public
office, you *_might_* be on to something.

: (d) easier voter registration and ballot access rules;
:
: (e) state-level binding initiative, referendum, and
: recall authority, a non-binding national referendum
: procedure;  and
:
: (f) a repeal of the runaway White House/Congressional
: Pay Raises back to 1988 levels--a necessary dose of
: humility to the politicians.

Nah, make it 1964 levels, and include staff quantities in that number.
Ie, they not only must make less money, they must hire fewer assistants.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you
really make them think they'll hate you.
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: What is "Fair Share?"
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:58:19 GMT
Followup-To: ca.politics
Organization: Apple Computer

Okay, I've heard that term bandied about quite a bit: <some group> needs to
pay their "fair share."

What, in terms of both Federal and State is "Fair Share?"

My definition: we should ALL pay the same tax rate with a huge personal
deduction.  See Bruch Herschensohn's tax plan (I will be posting it later
this week).

--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
I don't speak for Apple.  Really, I don't.
Xref: sparky ca.politics:7411 talk.politics.misc:43520
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Stereotyping
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:53:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <12110@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>You aren't the worst thing to worry about -- NAMBLA is.  But you
>shouldn't be surprised that this offends the hell out of most
>people.

And considering that there are fewer members of NAMBLA than there are
heterosexuals in jail for child molestation, I guess we are not much of
a threat...

As for offense... "awwwwwww"



FWA
From: mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin))
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Clayton, You've missed an opportunity...
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:24:24 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <94857@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>I am. She's the only lesbian I know of who has murdered.
>
>Except maybe Lizzie Borden...and no one will know for sure about that...

From Tom Burnam's _Dictionary_of_Misinformation_:

   [Lizzie Borden] did no such thing according to the jury that tried her.
   She was in fact acquitted, after only sixty-six minutes of deliberation.
   That practically nobody seems aware that Lizzie was not found quilty
   probably can be blamed on Edmund Pearson, whose _Studies_in_Murder_ (1924)
   suggested (Lizzie was still alive at that time) and whose _Trial_of
   _Lizzie_Borden (1937) said (Lizzie was dead now) that she did it.

   But a reporter and fact-crime writer, Edward D. Radin, in _Lizzie_Borden:
   The_Untold_Story (1961), maintains that Pearson ignored the evidence
   in Lizzie's favor, which Radin finds convincing.  Radin thinks, in fact,
   that the quilty party was -- who else? -- the maid.

   In any case, the fact remains that Lizzie was found innocent, not 
   guilty; a matter of record.

--
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"Don't blame _me_, _I_ didn't do it!" --Krusty the Clown | mitch@ea.ucla.edu
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"Computers are ruining this country." --Al Bundy         | 1987 VT700c
Newsgroups: ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Stereotyping
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:54:55 GMT

In article <12043@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>Actually, the tape I saw had a float with at least six men on it,
>some of them masturbating while using whips.  Of course, Jeff Dauber's
>Dancing Dong (as it was whimsically called in soc.motss) played a
>prominent role in the repeal of the Concord Gay Rights ordinance.

I was on the float... However, there were no whips on that float.  There
as one person who was masturbating through is shorts on our float, and it
caused an outrage in the gay community (I have a clippings file if you
are interested).  There were not six people dancing naked with whips
masturbating as you seem to report.

And, frankly, if I am the worst thing that the gay community has to offer,
I don't think you have much to worry about.


># you seen on news reports of Gay Pride Parades carrying, and perhaps using,
># whips?  A dozen or so?  Maybe even 20 or 30?  So these dozen or so people
># are necessarily representative of *all* homosexuals?  With logic like this,
># it's no wonder that nobody's convinced by your arguments.
>
>But then again, there's the constant discussions of S&M and leather
>in soc.motss...

There is a more constant discussion of S&M in alt.sex.bondage.  Much
more constant in fact.



>Look.  When a guy walks out of a bar wearing leather pants, leather
>jacket, leather cap, and there are metal studs on EVERYTHING, and
>he's not the only patron involved, what assumption do you make?

Key word "assumption"....

However, your assumptions are wrong.  As someone who is involved in all
the things you find evil, I can tell you that the person who is dressed
as you describe is not the one who is into S&M.  



Now, I want to take a vote....  Who would you rather have as your neighbor,
me or Clayton?


FWA
From: scott@fillorkill.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Boyd)
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: Re: Recall for Gov. Wilson is ON!!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:48:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: fillorkill.eng.sun.com

ses@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Darlene Wiedman) writes:

>In this mornings San Jose Mercury News columnist Pat Dillon has
>started a drive to recall Gov. Pete Wilson, Assembly speaker Willie Brown,
>and Senate President Pro Tem David Roberti.  He is asking for volunteers
>to get petitions signed.  The drive is called the "Bite 'Em Back recall
>Drive".  

Actually, I hope that Pete Wilson continues to refuse to sign any of
the budget pap that has been presented to him thus far. It has been
clear that this day of reckoning had to come with mandated spending and
automatic spending increases built into Prop 98 and other recent
legislation.

We finally have an governor who is willing to say NO! 

This is refreshing to see in an executive branch of government. Now, if
only Bush had done the same thing with any of the recent federal
budgets we might be actually reducing the deficit!

Neither Willie Brown or David Roberti can be recalled by the people
of the state at-large. Only voters in their districts can recall them
and I very much doubt that will happen with Willie Brown, though David Roberti
may be more vulnerable. 

It makes little sense to recall Wilson, just because he's the only one
of the three you can get at. He's doing a good job of thwarting both
Roberti and Brown. Do you really want to remove the one check we
have? 

Scott Boyd
SunSoft
Newsgroups: ca.politics
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Pushkin Dueling Libertarians
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:18:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.172749.4140@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.154541.27401@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>>Well, I can't say it's a subject I've invested a lot of time
>>thinking about, but on the surface since all parties agree to
>>participate in a duel of their own free will I see no reason that
>>libertarians would forbid such activity as long as it was
>>conducted in a way which prevented innocent third parties from
>>being endangered by the combatants.
>
>Like their families or other dependents?

I understand why slave-owners think that slaves shouldn't be allowed
to duel, but when did the relationship between dependents and
dependees become like that?

Sure, the families like to have a breadwinner, but doesn't said
breadwinner have any say in whether or not she can check out without
their approval?

-andy
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Newsgroups: ca.politics
From: jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best)
Subject: Re: Homosexual marriages
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:25:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.120804@wsl.dec.com> gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.170114.6707@jack.sns.com>, jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:
>|> 
>|>  This is just a another example of an abnormal fringe group trying to get
>|>  the rest of society to consider them normal!!!!!!!!!
>
>No, this is an example of people getting tired of being treated
>as second class citizens.  I know several "gay" marriages that
>have lasted as long, or longer, than any "strayt" marriage.

        And I know people that have lived together as long or longer
        than a normal marriage. They simply lived together that does
        not make it a marriage. Simple a living arrangement. And that
        is all it is when two homosexuals live together.

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