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From: haasec@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Chris Haase)
Subject: Re: World's Toughest Computers
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:34:17 GMT

dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) writes:

>>What are some stories that you have heard about them?
>>
>>
>>I have two stories for you about the IBM AS/400's ruggedness:
>>
>>1.  An AS/400 was being delivered for a field test.  The workmen
>>who were loading the truck neglected to secure the large computer
>>and it toppled out of the truck landing on its back in 	the site
>>parking lot.  The system was taken back to the lab and checked 
>>out.  After the power was turned on, the system ran normally.

>This may be UL, but I am told that mid 70's HP minicomputers got a 4
>foot drop test, DISKS SPINNING. Certainly any mil spec computer would
>have to withstand a drop at least as severe as out of a truck,
>otherwise they wouldn't be able to airdrop them.

  I worked in a mil spec shop. The machines that we built always went through
the common "Shake and Bake" test.  There are also machines that have been 
dropped from helicopters, say 20-30' up or higher that have easily come
back working.  The work that goes into those machines is incredible and they
can take a LOT of abuse...
Chris Haase



Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: frankj@ifi.uio.no (Frank Tore Johansen)
Subject: Re: Cute inet daemon messages
Reply-To: frankj@ifi.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:46:09 GMT
Originator: frankj@driva.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Nov19.005052.17289@tc.cornell.edu>, mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
> Here's something I got today when I connected to SMTP on crash.canon.co.uk:
> 
> "220 crash.canon.co.uk SMTP ready and waiting for your hot-mail-injection baby"

My personal favourite is SMTP at diku.dk:
220 freja.diku.dk 5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 Sendmail on Thu, 19 Nov 92 07:41:55 +0100
  Have you come to arrange a holiday or do you want a blow job

Try it out, they changed almost all commands, including slave 8)

-Frank.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: my sig
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:18:40 GMT

In article <2cNPuB1w165w@mertwig.UUCP> xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker) writes:
>I do not claim to be a wizard on all subjects. 
>I am a _networks_ wizard. Thats all.

A true wizard never claims to be one. Does cjl sign his posts "the 3 Million
Year Old PDP-8 Wizard?" Of course not. But is he wizardly? Most likely. :)

But that's not the point. Didn't earlier you claim to be a "LISP/C++ GENIUS" 
or something like that was well? 

"Modesty! It's the single most eloquent trait in the universe!" :)

Cheers,
mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: World's Toughest Computers
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:26:23 GMT

jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

>Which computers do you consider the most rugged?  Why?
>What are some stories that you have heard about them?


>I have two stories for you about the IBM AS/400's ruggedness:
[heard them before]

A couple of years ago (actually - more like 5 or 6 years), a tornado hit
Calgary (or was it Edmonton - geez I'm getting old).  A building collapsed
onto a running IBM System/36.  After it was dug out, they took the sides of
the cabinet off, HOSED IT DOWN to get rid of the dirt, and when it dried
out, vacuumed it out and it booted with no lost data!

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion/statement of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"Ok dear, want me to call the bike shop and see if they'll sponsor your
mid-life crisis?" "Yeah.  Ask them if they'll upgrade my shifters, too"
From: mcclain@regent.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE IBM
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: mcclain@regent.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>In article <16NOV92.12250000.0072@VM1.MCGILL.CA> IEGS@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (IEGS) >writes:
>>HOW COULD YOU SOLVE THIS:
>>DETERMINE HOW MANY MICRO-INSTRUCTIONS ARE REQUIRE TO PERFORM
>>THE ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS WITH OPERATION CODES FROM 0 TO 4.
>>  WRITE A (MAC-1) ASSEMBLY IBM PROGRAM TO COMPUTE X = MIN(A,B)
>>{IF (A<B) X=A ELSE X=B}
>>PLEASE REPLY TO MC.BER
>
>Looks a lot like someone's working on a comp sci homework assignment. 
>
>(Either that, or they're currently taking the exam and somehow
>snuck a laptop and thinwire link in...)

Who needs a wire, cellular modem...

John W.F. McClain
Disclaimer: I am not DEC
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: Tony.Duell@launchpad.unc.edu (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: RSX-11 console light-show / HOW?
Keywords: rsx-11m, console lights, implementation
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:03:58 GMT

On t PDP11/45, and I assume the 11/70 as well, the data lights could be
switched to one of 4 sources by a rotary switch on the panel. They were:
Data Path (basically, ALU data register)
Bus register
Microcode address (low 8 lights = CPU microcode program counter, top 8 for
the Floating point microcode counter)
Display register (Contents of 777570)
To get the lights display under RT11, you selected display register here.
On RSX, I think you have to select Data path, but I'm not sure. I don't
know how RSX does its lights display, but it doesn't do continual
resets(The RX02  does a head-load/unload on a reset, so think what that
would do :-))
On RT11, yuo can changer the SR variable in the config file and then
sysgen the system, if for example, you want the idle light pattern
somewhere else - like on a parallel port. I've heard of a system, ewhere
Xmas lights were driven in that manner off the idle loop :-)
-tony 'PDP11 Hacker' Duell
ard@siva.bris.ac.uk

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From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Computer Superstition
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:20:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BxzIoD.Iu4@world.std.com>, dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) writes:
>
>my favorite computer go-faster gesture, is to make a motion like
>turning a crank next to the monitor; winding it up as it were... I
>keep meaning to find an old machine tool crank and fasten it to my
>monitor... 
>

When I'm dealing with a computer that's totally forgotten that it
has a job to do, I like to lean forward and tap the monitor with a
pen. In theory, this should wake up the Monitor Gnomes, who will
relay the message to whatevergnomes are slacking off.

A variant of this is to start a long job and wait until it's almost
done. Then, get someone's attention. Lean forward. Pause
dramatically. Tap tap. "Helloooo . . . gnoommmmeessssss?" Job
finishes, computer springs to life, onlooker gets confused.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley



-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: How to kill chickens with your computer...
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:09:16 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Nov13.134921.1730@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> troberts@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>       :      Your PC may not be able to emit a 7-Hz tone. */                :

I seem to recall something from about 20 to 25 years ago about a Frenchman 
who built a gigantic whistle that was supposed to produce a frequency (plus 
overtones) at around 7Hz, and when it was switched on the operator died and 
the whistle disintegrated.  It was probably in one of those silly Lyall 
Watson books though.

  From the UK phone book Yellow Pages:  BORING - see Civil Engineers   

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
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From: pcl@oxford.ac.uk (Paul Leyland)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,sci.math,rec.antiques
Subject: Swedish Adding Machine -- Help Wanted
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:48:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, OX2
	6NN


Last weekend, I acquired a wind-up mechanical adding machine.  It is
apparently in good condition and has been soaked in wax to prevent it
rusting.  I removed the covers, and the rubber feet (all totally
perished unfortunately) and it is now immersed in a bucket of paraffin
(or kerosine if you drive on the other side of the road 8-).  Already
some of the cogs and levers are moving freely again.

The purpose of this note is to ask if anyone might be able to help me
find out more information, in particular where I could get a manual;
spare parts such as the rubber feet; and even get it serviced if that
turns out to be possible and necessary.  Please reply by email to
pcl@black.ox.ac.uk, unless you think that the wider public would be
interested.

I don't know the exact model name; nor the manufacturer's complete
name.  It looks to have been made about 30 years ago; it has three
registers, two of 10 digits and one of 13.  It's a grey box about 25cm
wide by 15cm by 15cm.  On the front is a small blue panel with gold
"Multo" (in a flowing script and underlined) and "ADDO" (in smaller
capitals).  On another panel are some partially erased words.  The
best I can make them out is: "A.B.  <obliterated, maybe 4-6
characters> MALMO MADE IN SWEDEN".  There is a umlaut over the O of
MALMO.

(The remainder is reminiscences for the a.f.c folk -- tho' others are
most welcome, of course).

I used to use machines very like this almost 20 years ago when I was a
undergraduate.  They were already obsolescent, and I was one of only a
very few who took the trouble to learn how they worked.  After a
while, I could perform addition/subtraction as fast as I could on a
calculator; multiplication and division were slower, but not too much
slower.  I even extracted square roots by Newton Raphson in a
reasonable time.  *And* I didn't have to worry about batteries going
flat.  I've got rusty since then, but I expect I'll soon pick it up
again.

The real reason I got the machine was that it is a beautiful
mechanism.  If it can be persuaded to work again, that's a real bonus.
It can join my collection of obsolete but functional equipment.

I can easily believe they designed the bomb on machines like this.  It
is such a great advance on the slide rule for simple arithmetic.  Yes,
I do still use a guessing stick every now and again, just to keep in
practice.  Again, zero power requirement is very re-assuring to
oldsters like me.


Finally, it's not often I get an excuse to cross-post to such a disparate
selection of newsgroup!

Paul
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Oxford University Computing Service      |     the English way.
13 Banbury Road, Oxford, OX2 6NN, UK     | The time is come, the song is over.
Tel: +44-865-273200  Fax: +44-865-273275 | Thought I'd something more to say.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: brentw@coopsol.com (Brent Williams)
Subject: Re: HELP! Need kermit for WANG CS2200
Organization: Cooperative Solutions, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 01:19:37 GMT

redmond+@cs.cmu.edu (Redmond English) writes:

>Hello,

>  I've been asked to see if I can find kermit (or any other
>communications program) that will allow a WANG CS2200 to 
>exchange files with a PC-clone.

>  I checked the columbia kermit archives, but they don't
>list anything for WANG mainframes - any help would be
>much appreciated!


Calling a Wang 2200 a mainframe is rather a bit of a stretch.
You are probably out of luck with this one.  Your best bet is
to write a program on the Wang that essentially does the 
equivalent of UUENCODE for encoding the data, then connecting
your PC to the terminal port of the Wang via a serial line.
It takes 8,E,2 parameters -- a far cry from the 7,N,1 usually
used in Unix systems.  Then you have a program that checksums
the uuencoded data that you sent over.  A simple BASICA program
to decode the data and compare the checksum would work well.  
A Wang 2200 programmer could probably knock out something like
this in about 30 minutes.  It's been too many years for an old
guy like me to remember exactly how to do this, and you couldn't 
afford me anyway :-)

I did this about 6 years ago for a consulting client and it went
great for transferring about 100mb of data off the Wang -- not a 
single transmission error, so I could have conceivably done with
out the checksum part.


-brent

-- 
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brentw@coopsol.com
Cooperative Solutions makes Ellipse, a development environment for
industrial strength graphical client/server business applications.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Confessions of a Commodore Junkie (Was: Re: SMART DRUGS2
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:44:56 GMT

In article <17687@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>>
>> HI !  CAN I BUY YOU"RE C128 FROM U!!!
>> KIB0 WON"T LET ME BORROW HIS ! !!!!!1
>>
>> DO YOU HAVE SUPER PITFALL OR GALAGA 4
>> IT! !! I"LL TRADE YOU FOR MRS PAC MAN
>> IT SUCKS!!! WHAT WAREZ DO YOU HAVE?!
>>
>> BIFF
>> --
>>
>> BBBBBBB   IIIIIII  FFFFFFF  FFFFFFFF
>> B      B     I     F        F
>> B      B     I     F        F
>> BBBBBBB      I     FFFFFF   FFFFFFF
>> B      B     I     F        F
>> B      B     I     F        F
>> BBBBBBB   IIIIIII  F        F
>
>
>Is this the real BIFF, or just some nasty cheap BIFF substitute?

The real BIFF doesn't have an afterthought.

>--
>Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
>mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
>---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
>aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
>---------------|
>Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: How to kill chickens with your computer...
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:45:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
: 
: 	The question is, if you measured the cranial dimension of the
: average human and blew the proper note, what would happen?

Hard to tell. I doubt if you could blow a note high enough in frequency
to have any effect.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person)
Subject: Re: ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE IBM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:57:44 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <184320@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>
>    To paraphrase a nameless IBM product planner...'
>
>    The only reason God was able to create the universe in 6 days
>    was that there was no install base.   

Typical IBM.  Design it once. Upgrade it forever!   

That's why CMS is such a charmer. 







-- 
Brett Person
Guest Account	
North Dakota State University
person@plains.nodak.edu || person@plains.bitnet
From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Superstitions: power cycling, screen savers, surge suppressors
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:29:12 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group

dpbsmith@world.std.com (Daniel P. B. Smith) writes:

> Surge suppressors.  Again, I have to wonder why the manufacturers don't
> design them in; it should be the responsibility of the computer's own
> power supply to handle this. And why should a PC need a surge suppressor,
> but not a CD player, a VCR, a video game machine, etc. all of which contain
> similar electronics?

They all should.

--  "Xyzzy T. Plugh"                               mertwig!xyzzy@jaflrn.uucp
                     Amateur radio callsign pending
        Daniel Max P. Drucker, the 14 year old networks wizard.

"Difficulty! It's the single simplest machine in the entire Universe!" -HHGTTG
From: sav@nanette.sni.de (Dr.Savory)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Help me sleep!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 08:45:40 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: nanette.sto.pdb.sni.de
Keywords: Sleep, sleep, sleep, sheep, sleep.

Jason,
      just write the main theme down on a notepad (at your bedside).
Then your mind "knows" it can forget the problem, because the reminder
will be there in the morning, and you can sleep well.

If you wake up with a fresh insight you can jot it on the same pad
and go back to sleep.

Mind you, its more fun to delegate the responsibility
(ie: take a secretary to bed    ;)

Ciao,
     Stu Savory
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: hees@cubic.com (Phil Hees)
Subject: Re: command abbreviation
Organization: Cubic Tomato Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:02:08 GMT

jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) writes:
|> u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes:
|> >shades of the dreaded pip command of CP/M and DEC fame - this also was a
|> >copy command which was pip <destination> <source>
|> 
|> I agree that the PIP syntax seems backwards, but in all fairness, you
|> left out the equals sign.  It's "PIP destination = source".  It really
|> isn't much stranger than "x = 1".

Agreed.  The first copy command I ever used was the PIP command on a
PDP-8, and it has always seemed the most natural syntax since the
assignment operator works the same way (right-to-left).

In addition, the standard C library routines use the same ordering.
For example:

      strcpy(dest, source);

I always use the (dest [,dest], src [,src]) ordering for my own function
calls, and really get locked into this mindset, to the point that I often
find myself checking the man page to reassure myself that I am using the
correct order for the cp (Unix) or copy (VMS, DOS) commands.

--
Phil Hees
hees@cubic.com
From: azog@spatula.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Computer Superstition
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:56:49 GMT
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

In article <1992Nov18.132507.22731@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes:
>
>How about the way that UNIX System Administrators type
>
>   sync
>   sync
>   sync
>
>at shutdown time, when one sync would be quite enough? When questioned 
>they sometimes give the lame excuse that this gives the first one time 
>to work! I was taught to do this, and still do, even though I have 
>figured it out for myself that it is nonsense.

Ive heard if said that the reason for doing three syncs like that is
due to the state of the Unix filesystem. In that its not updated 
when you think it is (buffers and what have you), and that the extra
syncs ensure that your buffers were flushed correctly.

I use the above to shutdown my Altos 68000, which doesnt have a
shutdown command, per se. I simply do three syncs, and kill power.
But also, this is a reflection on my compulsive obsessive personality :-)

-- 
Billy D'Augustine azog@spatula.rent.com

No lord shall stand before myself.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Cute inet daemon messages
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:50:52 GMT

Here's something I got today when I connected to SMTP on crash.canon.co.uk:

"220 crash.canon.co.uk SMTP ready and waiting for your hot-mail-injection baby"

I'm not kidding; try it yourself. I'm wondering if this is a standard 220
message from some deranged version of SMTP, or if it's a hack on the part of
the system admins there. :)

Another cute thing, that I've seen in one strain of SMTP, when you use the
"slave" command:

100 Kinky, kinky. I don't support such perversions.

(Don't remember the actual message number on that one).

Any other hidden "easter eggs" in net daemons or elsewhere?

mdw
-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "We're going away now. I fed the cat."
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From: chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: What about a pdp-8? (was: value of a pdp-11,va)
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:28:18 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

chapman@cs.cornell.edu (Richard Chapman) writes:

>Price
>is pretty much what you can get someone to pay (I paid $5 for the one
>I have) since they don't have any use for real work (unlike the pdp-11
                                           ^^^^^^^^^ Ever realize
microseconds after hitting enter that you shouldn't have said
something? While you cannot, to the best of my knowledge, buy a new
PDP-8 from DEC at this point, I'm sure there are lots in use for
"real work". Sorry!

Yours,
Richard Chapman
From: auj@aber.ac.uk (Alun Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: You know when you've been hacking too long when...
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:05:37 GMT
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru (University of Wales) Aberystwyth


You know when you've been hacking too long when the message 
New mail in /usr/spool/mail/auj
becomes an NMI

I need a holiday...

Alun.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Screen savers; was: Re: Superstitions...
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:50:30 GMT

There was a screen saver in the ROM control program of the TI-99/4A,
introduced around 1978.  Remember the TI-99/4A?

One small step ahead of the Macintosh...
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From: lowen@lorc.UUCP (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: QUESTION: What was the 1st computer game?
Keywords: game
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:06:36 -0500
Organization: LORC Enterprises

In <1992Nov10.005510.2131@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:

>The PDP-3 was a paper machine, a 36-bit system that was never implemented.
>(The PDP-2 was a 24-bit paper machine.)  The numbering for actual, delivered
>products is PDP-1, PDP-4 ...

Ok, I've asked this question before: what is the complete PDP sequence?
What are their salient characteristics (ie, PDP-10, 36 bit, etc...)

>Rich Alderson   

-- 
--

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