HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:57:57 GMT

In <1992Nov11.222908.16079@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) describes an episode of _Roseanne_
>that introduced lesbianism in no uncertain terms, and with
>what appears to have been considerable directness and maybe even
>some wit.

>I've never seen the show, so I don't know what network it's on.
>Steven concludes:
> >I hope they continue the plot line.

>It's probably a good idea to tell them so.  

I see no reason to believe that they wouldn't continue the plot.  
This isn't the first time they've had an openly Gay character
on the show.  Roseanne's previous employer, Leon (played by Martin
Mull,) was openly Gay and appeared frequently in the show.  
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From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Thugsy twins to run against each other!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:02:11 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <GANDALF.92Nov12115806@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>,
gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.224432.4432@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>
>     According to today's LA Times, Dannemeyer has publicly stated
>   that he will run for DiFi's senatorial seat in two years. Apparently,
>
>Am I crazy or do I remember that on his last day in the Capitol, Dannemeyer
>said something to the effect of "I hate it here so I'm going to do as much
>damage as possible before I go"? Wouldn't publishing that be a great ad against
>him? (Wouldn't one look at his face be a great ad against him for that matter?)

(I guess this means that Dannemeyer no longer favors "term limits"?)

  I don't know where he's going to get the money to run.  He did so
badly in the republiKKKan primaries this year.  At first, I laughed at
the thought of him even coming close to winning a US Senate seat.  But
then I remembered how close Bruce ("I'm going to Washington to cut my
pay and drive myself around town in a Yugo") Herschonsohn came to winning.
If Dannemeyer is able to hide his real agenda, like Herschonsohn did, then
he might have a chance.

Frightening.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:29:08 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) describes an episode of _Roseanne_
that introduced lesbianism in no uncertain terms, and with
what appears to have been considerable directness and maybe even
some wit.

I've never seen the show, so I don't know what network it's on.
Steven concludes:
 >I hope they continue the plot line.

It's probably a good idea to tell them so.  


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Colorado
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.212432.25350@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) 
writes:
>A state court cannot find a provision of
>the constitution itself to be unconstitutional, I would imagine.

In California, initiatives can be overturned on procedural grounds.  

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: ""The Hidden Sailor""
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:31:58 GMT


In article <9NOV92.11152552@enh.nist.gov>
aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
 
>>Especially those of us you've married to him.  It's certainly
>>not that I wouldn't, you understand, though his boyfriend
>>might object, and possibly Mr. Aberson himself might.

>He couldn't possibly object, Mr. Andraberson.  The more the merrier,
>you know.

As Nellie Lutcher usedta say: hurry on down to my house, honey,
ain'nobody home but me!

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: New Republic editor openly gay
Keywords: New Republic, mainstream press, magazines
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:43:04 GMT

In article <lg5rniINNgik@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@BBN.COM (Ron Rizzo) writes:
>I just heard on NPR that the magazine The New Republic now has an openly gay
>editor, Andrew Sullivan!
>
>Has anyone heard more about this?

It's only a year or so old.  Wake up and smell the latte. :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Colorado's Amendment 2
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:52:58 GMT

> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>>> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>>>        ...I intend to boycott Colorado and all products
>>>made in Colorado (to the extent that I know about them),
>>>too.
>
>Melinda has a wonderful solution!!!  Boycott Colorado!!!!

Have I mentioned the long line that still forms at the ATMs
outside Bank of America's (proud Boy Scout contributor) branch
at Castro & Market Streets in San Francisco?  Have I mentioned
that San Francisco's GLBO voters couldn't manage to elect
Cleve Jones to one of *six* vacant seats on the Board of
Supervisors?  Have I mentioned all the lesbian and gay
employees at Pacific Bell that I've asked to join our G/L
employee association -- anonymously! -- only to hear, "Oh no,
I'm not political"?

What does it take to move GLBOs out of our suicidal inertia
and work for our own interests?  Why do we talk of a gay
"community" when most of us can't see beyond our own navel?

Rod [catching PEDS (post-election depression syndrome)]
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From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: New Republic editor openly gay
Keywords: New Republic, mainstream press, magazines
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:31:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ

In article <lg5rniINNgik@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@BBN.COM (Ron Rizzo) writes:
>Folks,
>
>I just heard on NPR that the magazine The New Republic now has an openly gay
>editor, Andrew Sullivan!
>Has anyone heard more about this?

Yes, Sullivan's appointment received a lot of fanfare in the New York
press, particularly in the _New York Times_. It wasn't the fact that
he's gay that seemed to amaze his interviewers, it was that he was gay 
*and* Catholic.

The only other thing I remember from the articles I read was that everybody
asked Sullivan if he approved of outing. After a while it began to remind 
me of some of the dumb questions Spike Lee recently complained about. I
was just waiting for someone to ask, "Do you have any heterosexual friends, 
Mr. Sullivan?"

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:24:26 GMT


In article <BxA8zu.7FK@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com
(Brent Capps) writes:

>bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett) writes:

>>I don't have the addresses of too many Colorado-based businesses,
>>but some companies to consider are Coors, Storage Technology,
>>US West and US West Cellular, any subsidiary of TCI, Inc, the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Not that it's the world's easiest thing to boycott a
>monopoly, but US West was very supportive of us in the
>Oregon fight, and even purchased a full page ad in the
>Voter's Pamphlet urging the defeat of Plan 9 from Outer
>Space.

In light of that, perhaps letters and calls to US West
should start out commending the company for its support in
the Oregon instance, and mentioning that as planned further
attacks on civil rights in the western region and elsewhere
have already been announced, one hopes that kind of support
will continue.

>Still, you've got to break some eggs to make an omlette.
>Their headquarters is, after all, in Denver.  One tactic
>might be to suggest to them that they are going to have a
>lot of difficulty recruiting gay telecom professionals into
>that kind of hateful environment.

A good point, of course.  One could also suggest that the
really large commercial interests, who share all sorts of
commonalities (board members, industry councils, pressure
and interest groups, etc) should work on their associates on
behalf of progressive initiatives that protect the rights of
all citizens from discrimination of all kinds, since such
factors as attracting, training, and retaining competent
staff represent a major item in the cost of doing business.

The more general point would be that all manner of
interlocking benefits would accrue to companies that
vigorously promote good citizenship.  "Thanks for your past
help and here's some more you can do" is certainly a
legitimate point of view.  I think it's also a wise tactic.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:11:53 GMT

In article <JET.92Nov5094910@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>Uh, what major airlines *don't* have a Colorado hub (and go anywhere
>important :-)?

I don't think US Air does.  Delta definitely doesn't (it goes
through Salt Lake).  And Delta has the added benefit of being
a reasonably good airline.
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       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:59:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.220327.15209@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) 
writes:
>
>P.S.: Did anyone catch Clinton's V. Day speech in which he _said_
>	he'd issue an executive order revoking the military's ban
>	on gay people?  I almost fainted.  But there is no better
>	time for him to do it than now.

Wouldn't it work better if he waits until he's sworn in?




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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robertson wins one in Iowa [Homophobia as a weapon of sexism]
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:18:56 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Nov6.000728.8134@netcom.com>,
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> Words have gender. People have sex. (No snickering...)
> 
> We must take a stand for linguistic purity.

Oh, replicate off.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*tick* n. any of the larger blood-sucking acarids: applied also to
the sheep-ked and similar degenerate bloodsucking Diptera"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Subject: bigfoot (was Re: Gerbiling)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:07:17 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <16845@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>Greg Parkinson (glp@fig.citib.com) wrote:
> 
>> Now run along and post to alt.bigfoot.  He exists,
>> you know.  
>
>Indeed he does!  I've seen him, and I have
>the evidence to prove it.

I haven't seen him since they canceled his show, 
"Harry and the Hendersons".  Anyone know what he's up to?
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                                               Oracle Corporation
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Myths (was: Re: Gender Parity)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:39:19 GMT

[]
Well, we know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot,
so any statistics he coughs up should be filtered accordingly.

We all know that getting a truly random sample of gay
people is impossible.  Because well-paid professional
people are in a better position (or at least believe that
they are in a better position) to be out, studies show that
gay male households have a median income of about $55,000.
Women, as a rule, tend to be less well-paid, have lower
status jobs, and are generally not as well-established
socio- economically.  It's not at all unreasonable to
assume that lesbians are less out for those reasons.  I
mean, TV news magazines only just noticed lesbians this
year, and we often hear the term 'stealth lesbian' bandied
about.  We're invisible.
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           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999)
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:13:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.012337.7264@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>Seen on a teeshirt:
>
>"So many gerbils, so little time."

I call my graphic interface pointing device a "gerbil" in honor of this myth.


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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:34:42 GMT
Organization: NIST

The Miami Herald yesterday had an interesting article about
sex education in schools, especially about the two methods
of teaching this subject.  One is the comprehensive method, which
truthfully discusses all aspects of sexuality, including
homosexuality, bisexuality, etc.  The other is the
abstinence-based method favored by the religious-right, but
which is used in about 50% of the nation's schools.

To our president-elect' credit, his chief advisor on this subject
favors the comprehensive method, and in the last four year,
comprehensive sexual education has been the rule throughout
Atkansas, according to the article.

One tidbit caught my eye in the description of the abstinence-based
approach, along with  no abortion, no homosexuality, no sex before
marriage, etc.   In sexual-education, the clitoris does not exist.
It cannot be shown, and it cannot be mentioned.

Amazing.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Distribution: soc
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:21:08

In article <BxCw8w.7HF@queernet.org> max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
writes: 

   Yes, but what do you do in the good company/bad supplier case.  For
   example, Levis has some very nice new shirts in their Fall/Winter
   line.  I like them a lot, they're resonably priced, the company has
   good values, etc.  The shirts, though, are made in China [they
   shoot students, don't they].

   In this case, what's a consumer to do?  I'd like to support the
   local gay clothing store and the company that has good policies,
   but by buying the shirts am I supporting the Communist regime in
   China?

That's your call entirely.  Who am I to say (unless I have relevant
information on how many $$$ go where)?

Why are boycotts thought of as monolithic "PC" things, where
everything is black or white, there is only one "correct" way to spend
money, etc.?

- Bob (puzzled)
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marching on Washington and Protesting Bigotry
Date: 8 Nov 1992 22:56:46 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

I hate to be a downer, but MOW93 is so broke right now I don't think
it's going to happen.  They have to pay TONS of money before the event
starts, and can't count on collecting money at the end of the march (at
the end of MOW87 there were buckets that you could drop money into, I
didn't see many people giving money).

Time to start fundraising!  Remember all the money you AREN'T going to
send to Colorado?  Send it to MOW93!

Tom
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From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:19:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bx8zuy.JG9@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <1992Nov5.054613.15896@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>>In article <Bx5txH.IsI@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>>>
>>>Now run along and post to alt.bigfoot.  He exists,
>>>you know.  
>
>>Not any more.  He was blown up in that big volcanic eruption. 
>
>Which one?  Krakatoa, East of Java?

Mount Saint Helens.


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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Teledildonics
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:40:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov5.234007.19305
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Nov5.171956.9075@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack
Hamilton) writes:
>Nelson writes:
>>bleah, shame on you for using this word for the Subject line, Jack.
>Why so?  It's a great word, and teledildonics is the subject of one
>of the chapters.

oh, I'm just being flippant. I'm impatient with the popular media's
treatment of virtual reality. Inevitably, they think about sex.
"Teledildonics" is the sort of thing I'd expect out of Robert Anton
Wilson or Timothy Leary..

That being said, I look forward to the era of sexual interaction at a
distance. Think what soc.motss will be like then!

20 year old GWM seeks interesting intelligent men with highspeed
network connections for mutual networking. I can handle any
schema-based world interface, but particular prefer the X.523 standard.
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From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:34:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 8068@tc.cornell.edu, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <JET.92Nov5094910@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>>Uh, what major airlines *don't* have a Colorado hub (and go anywhere
>>important :-)?
>
>I don't think US Air does.  Delta definitely doesn't (it goes
>through Salt Lake).  And Delta has the added benefit of being
>a reasonably good airline.
>--
>           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
>
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu


I suspect he was probably kidding.  For the record, though, I think only
Continental and United have any significant presence in Colorado.

Howard

PS From hearsay from people who know the airline industry, Continental
is somewhat gay-positive while United is not.

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From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: 700 Club
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:05:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Nov5.140552.13667
Organization: New Mexico Tech


In keeping with my occasional habit, I watched a few minutes of
Pat Robertson on the 700 Club last night.  (I cant stomach
more than a couple minutes without wanting to do something
violent.)  Dont forget that these guys have access to a 
cable channel carried in almost all cable systems (more
than CSPAN I've heard - we dont get CSPAN here in Socorro,
we do get three (I think) religious channels.) and can 
(and will) use this as a continuing propaganda platform.  

He was admittedly distressed by Clinton's win, but was also
clearly already positioning himself to fight in the next
election.  He claimed that 1 of every 2 (why not just
1/2, or 50% ??) Bush votes was from a "white evangelical
christian" - and repeated the phrase several times so there
could be no confusion.

He also claimed that Clinton would pass a national pro-abortion
law allowing abortion through the ninth month - saying something 
like "the baby could be going down the birth canal and someone
would say, 'I dont want it' and kill it".  

He forecast dire effects on the economy from CLinton - hinting
at depression, hyperinflation and other ills.

I didnt hear any comments on Oregon or Colorado.

The assault is just beginning.  We need to find ways to
combat these folks that are as effective as their techniques
- they have people coming to church to "hear the truth" and
they hear hate and bigotry, they have people paying to support
religious broadcasts that do the same.  We cant just fight
by organizing against every initiative, city ordinance or
politial candidate they throw up (deliberate choice of words)
we need to effect change at a lower level, one that will
affect every part of society.  Of course, the question is
how?

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"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
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