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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:13:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.215314.14993@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.202837.1567@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>|> ROBERT WERMAN writes:
>|> >One in five adult Americans hold strong prejudicial attitudes against Jews,
>|> >and anti-Semitism is most prevalent among blacks and the elderly according
>|> >to a survey released Monday.
>|> >
>|> >Foxman told reporters he was especially disturbed that 31 percent of
>|> >Americans in the survey believe Jews have "too much power," and that 35
>|> >percent think Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the United States.
>|> >
>|> >Overall, 20 percent of American in the survey fell into the "most
>|> >anti-Semitic" category.  Thirty-seven percent of blacks were in the
>|> >category, compared with 17 percent of whites.
>|> 

Can you find out the percentage of Americans who don't like Arabs?

Nabil

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: 1st Re: jesus of Nazareth
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:18:26 GMT

In <4477@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>Sorry Mr. Nice,  it seemed  that logic is not for you.

Shoudln't that be Ms. Nice?
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
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From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:54:57 GMT

	With respect to proofs for G-d, I once heard something like this.

	  G-d has all qualities
	+ existence is a quality
	------------------------
	  G-d has existence.

	Also, just like the original poster in this thread, this is not my
idea, nor do I subscribe to it.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: heirlooms
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:05:55 GMT
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org


Charla asked about acquiring Jewish ritual objects with a history 
attached to them. This query inspired me to recall less obvious
heirlooms.

I was lucky enough to come across some books in a used bookstore
in a rural area near Santa Barbara. I purchased a 1930's edition
of the Silverman Machzor (the thick, black one) and some IB Singer
paperbacks. The Machzor had the name of a synagogue in it, presumably
once in that area. I have noticed that this edition, with its more
formal English translation and aging pages, is often to be found on
the back shelves of Orthodox and Conservative synagogues.   It is useable
and contains more optional piyutim than the Metzuda or the Artscroll!
Perhaps a synagogue that is storing these would be interested in parting
with one for a small donation.  Surely some history--even if not
explicitly known to us--is attached to a book that has been used for so
many years on the holiest of Jewish days.

I took a short-cut that got me lost in the desert where San Bernadino,
Riverside, San Diego, and Orange Counties meet.  I was lost--maybe they
don't really meet. Anyhow, I saw a Jewish cemetery, less than an acre in
area and pulled off the road to examine it. It was called "Home of Peace"
and the headstones had inscriptions in English and Hebrew, dating from
30 and 40 years ago.  I'd never thought of "adopting" one of the headstones,
but it would be a tradition-creating experience to do so, I think. One
could find out the history of the cemetery and what brought its inhabitants
to the desert.  

I do admit though to using my great-grandmother's brass candlesticks.
I have a first cousin of my father's, and three second cousins of mine
waiting in line for these in case I switch to something more modern.
I like your idea of finding something abandonned at an estate sale, but
I would worry about why no one in the family is left to take an interest
in such an item.

Regards,
Michelle
mgross@nosc.mil
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.185323.17192@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>How do you know?  He and the police chief both deny it.  They admit they
>were caught unawares and were not prepared to deal with it, but they
>deny this claim of yours that he told the police not to intervene for 72
>hours.  What's *your* source?

Either Dinkins and Brown DELIBERATELY instructed the police to go easy
on the Black rioters in Brooklyn (perfectly in character with Dinkins)
or else they have to admit that a Black crowd rampaged through a
Jewish neighborhood for 3 days and nights screaming "Kill the Jews"
without any effective response.  

Do you think that the City would have responded the same way if the
Klan had spent 3 days of terrorizing Black residents in Brooklyn?  If
the police had managed not to arrest more than one person in a mob
like that, would a Mayor of NY be believed in saying that the police
were free to do their job but just didn't and that race had nothing to
do with it?  The rest of NYC would have burned down before he could
repeat a lame claim like that.

Any way you look at it, the Dinkins administration is guilty of gross
mismanagement at the very least, and more likely racial
discrimination, as well.  

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: What _is_ the procedure for conversion to Judaism?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:06:54 GMT


I recognize the difficulty in debating the long tracts Dan posts.  On the
one hand, they are valuable in that they are the closest thing we'll get
to an acknowledged Reform "party line."  On the other hand, as with "fire
and forget" missiles, any counterpoint will not be countered by Reform
representatives because the actual writer of the Reform tract was not the
poster.

In any event, a couple things I noticed in hte tract on conversion....

In article <FAIGIN.92Nov12075256@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org
(Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>
>  The Halacha requires male converts to submit themselves to berit milah
>  (circumcision) or hatafat dam berit (the drawing of blood) and afterwards to
>  tevilah (ritual immersion). It also make tevilah obligatory for female
>  converts. In 1893 the Central Conference of American Rabbis declared the
>  initiatory rites of berit milah and tevilah unnecessary. It is sufficient
>  for the prospective convert (ger) to declare, orally and in writing, in the
>  presence of a rabbi and no less than two lay leaders of the congregation and
>  community, acceptance of the Jewish faith and the intention to live in
>  accordance with its mitzvot.

The way I read this paragraph is that it says "I promise to abide by the
mitzvot except for ....."

>  The period of study should be reinforced by requiring and assisting the
>  prospective convert's active participation in the various celebrations,
>  observances, and worship services of Judaism and the Jewish people. Regular
>  attendance at synagogue worship, as well as evidence of concern for Jewish
>  values and causes in the home and community, should be required. This is
                                                ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^
>  intended to enable the rabbi and his associates to satisfy themselves not
>  only that the candidate has a sufficient knowledge of Judaism, but of even
>  greater importance, that the candidate is a person of sincere and
>  responsible character, who is genuinely desirous of making a wholehearted
>  commitment to synagogue affiliation and to the Jewish faith and people.

Is it my imagination or does the phrase "should be required" illogical?

>  The process of conversion (giur) varies from community to community (see the
>  "Admission of Converts" statement above). In Reform Judaism the primary
>  element in conversion is a wholehearted commitment to the Jewish people, its
>  faith, customs, history, and destiny. Usually an intensive course of sutdy
>  is prescribed, along wiht periodic meetings with the sponsoring rabbi,
>  regular attendance at Shabbat and holy day services, and participation in
>  congregational and community functions and home observances.

This is disingenuous.  By making a change in the procedure they say that
there exist more than one way of doing the procedure.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: ss@ll.mit.edu (Stuart Scharf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Canned Pumpkin?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:57:42 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <765301d6611974t152@witsend.uucp> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>Anybody know the details on canned pumpkin?  A recent exchange of
>pareve pumpkin-pie recipes got me interested (I don't have the
>time to cook from scratch) and I started looking for kosher
>canned pumpkin.  No luck.
>
>A check with the local Vaad got me the bare advice that Libby's
>100% pumpkin-and-nothing-else is all right with or without
>hechshir, but no details.  I'm cooking, but curious.
>
>Anyone out there in a position to enlighten?
>
>--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
>--- Note new network address:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
>--- Author (and everything else!) of TMail  (DOS mail/news shell) ---


My wife checked with the OU, and they agree that if the only ingredient is
PUMPKIN no hechshr is needed.

S. L. Scharf
From: z_waldorfde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: small town Judaism
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:12:33 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

I am the president of a Jewish student group on a college campus in a small
town. A small very Baptist town in East Texas. We are currntly attempting
to allign ourselves with a multicultural center on our campus. However,
the Dean of Student Development does not feel Judaism is a culture. The Jewish 
STudent Fellowship (JSF) is probably going to use the school's student
government to push our position.

If anyone has any ideas on how to present our position, we would sincerely
appreciate it. We already have most of what we want to say.. planned that is.

Sincerely,
Debra Waldorf
President of Jewish Student Fellowship
Stephen F. Austin State University
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <By3Dws.1KG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> droth@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Roth) writes:
>Pi != Pi means, not Pi factorial equals Pi, but Pi is not equal to Pi.
How you'll prove, what it actually means?
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: American Antisemitism
Keywords: antisemitism
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:53:37 GMT

In article <9866@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewis
on) writes:
>
>One disheartening thing:  In general, African-Americans are far more likely
>to be antisemitic than whites.
>
>-Martin

And..the proportion with anti-Semitic attitudes is greater among
the young.  Additionally, while there's an inverse relation between
anti-Semitism and education among whites, the relation is the other
way around among blacks.

Norman Miller
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: NO WAY!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:21:39 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

In article <199211200858.AA01556@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

>Rather  a  very unusual  ***RABBI***.   Most  of the  Orthodox  Rabbis
>publically denounced  his teachings.
I don't have an opinion on this topic, but I DID hear a  remark from 
a moderate (politically) Rosh Yeshiva couple of years ago (when
Kahane was banned from elections) : "You can think about him whatever you
want, but he is in the boundaries of the Halacha and it is shameful to
ban him on the basis of racism"

Simon Streltsov,
Boston University
simon1@bass.bu.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:22:09 GMT

In <1992Nov18.005516.933@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake
Livni) writes:

>There is no danger in telling the truth (or there shouldn't be in an
>ideal system) but putting things into a perspective, something so
>often lost in a world of sound-bites and short attention spans, is
>terribly important.  Meir Kahane was probably no worse than the Arabs
>outside Israel whom he opposed or the Arab members of Knesset inside
>Israel who kept their posts while Kahane was legislated out of
>existence.

So that makes it OK?  Therefore, by Livni's logic, it is OK for Israel to
conduct a campaign of terrorism because they would then be "no worse" than
Hezbollah or the PLO or the PFLP.

>Calling Kahane a racist for opposing an Arab takeover of
>Israel from within is akin to calling Israel's retaliations against
>Katyusha fire "terrorist acts".

Kahane was not a racist because he opposed an Arab takeover of Israel
from within.  He was a racist because he proposed mass expulsions of
innocent Israeli citizens, and the curtailing of political rights based
on ethnic identity.

I would never say that Israel's retaliation against Hezbollah is
terrorist in nature.  Hezbollah deserves total annihilation, because
its stated goal is the destruction of Israel.

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: mezuzah question
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:30:41 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu


I read yesterday (in what I would call a not-great source which happened to
be selling mezuzot) that their mezuzot were suitable for your home or office.
Hello?  I'd never heard of putting up a mezuzah on an office doorframe (I
don't sleep in my office--at least it hasn't come to that yet).  Is this
commonly done?  

			. . .Alexandra
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:52:21 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jonathan Pollard...
 <1992Nov21.033922.27579@netcom.com> <1992Nov23.142402.4242@cbfsb.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Nov23.142402.4242@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
(harlan.b.braude) says:
>
>In article <1992Nov21.033922.27579@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M.
>Solovay) writes:
>>I don't know the legal definition, but my dictionary's first
>>definition is
>>
>>   trea.son n  \'trez-*n\
>>      1 : the betrayal of a trust : PERFIDY,
>>          TREACHERY
>Treason is also a legal term and I think it's the only crime mentioned
>in the constitution. The legal definition, I've been told, specifically
>addresses aiding an enemy of the US. There have been countries that have
>been designated enemies of the US, but Israel is not among them.
>
>That being the case, the crime is not one of Treason.
>--
>Harlan B. Braude
>hbb@karin.att.com

Rather than guess, I suggest someone look it up in a legal dictionary.
Obviously the legal definition was good enough for a judge.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Valid Interpretation Flamefest Resumes
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:01:14 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <1992Nov23.051023.15852@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <22Nov92.041153.19196@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov22.010807.925@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>The "modernists" (R&C), convinced that the torah is of human
>>>origin, must ...
>>
>>Where do you get that idea?  Certainly not true for many C's,
>>anyway.  But, figuratively speaking, C's don't require a mind scan
>>to see what you think before deciding whether your practice is
>>legit or not.
>
>Well, as I thought I made clear, my immediate source was Milton Steinberg.
>Specifically, his well-known book Basic Judaism.  Furthermore, the entire
>theory of historical positivism expoused by Solomon Schechter and adopted
>by the Conservative movement in the early part of the century depends on
>this, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't.  That's not at all true.  Historical positivism
states that halacha developed historically, which is certainly
true--there is the halacha of the Rabbis and halacha of the
Torah.  This distinction is clear throughout the Talmud.
However, the Torah being of human origin is true only as it says
in the Torah--"by the hand of Moshe."  I assume everyone agrees
Moshe was human!

-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Oral sex
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.223153.21296@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>In article <BxvM23.E10@fiu.edu> steinm2d@serss0 (Daniel Steinmetz) writes:
>>Judaism considers sex as "legal" only when it is done to reproduce.
>
>This is untrue. Judaism specifically permits a couple to have sex
>when the woman is pregnant, or past menopause, or otherwise
>sterile. In none of these cases can the sex lead to a pregnancy.
  Not to mention that according to (Yivamot? it was daf yomi in August)
   there is no possibility of pregnancy from a woman's first relations
   which would mean that one could never get started.
   (I wonder why the Amoraim excluded Lot's daughters. Anybody know?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:17:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.032052.9002@plx.com> asgard@sparky (J.R. Stoner) writes:

>What's really on my mind is that you, Miller, and Dinkins are condoning the
>reenactment of Krystallnacht, right here in my country, which is founded on
>the proposition that it be a safe haven for exactly THAT kind of European
>abuse.  Dammit.

While Dinkins requested that law enforcement be relaxed during the
Crown Heights Pogrom last year, and Miller J.D. is still looking for
legal evidence of any wrongdoing in that episode, I do not condone
this violence.  Please get your attributions right.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,il.board,talk.politics.mideast
From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)
Subject: Re: Vatican Recognition of Israel - Who Needs It?
Organization: Somewhere East or Somewhere West
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:51:31 GMT

In article <20NOV199213390078@vms.huji.ac.il>, rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:
|> This is an honest appeal for help.  Could someone explain to
|> me the reasons for the heat of Israel pursuit of Vatican 
|> recognition?  
|> 
|> This pursuit is beyond me.  I would think that the Vatican 
|> might be interested, in its new ecumenical image, in fostering
|> a position of tolerance to the Jewish State.  But that is hardly
|> the case.  Indeed, it is the Vatican that is reluctant and 
|> Israel the ardent suitor.  Why?  What does Israel want from such
|> an alliance which will only involve more pressure to 
|> internationalize Jerusalem, and to favor Vatican claims over those
|> of rival churches?   Taking sides in such a dispute can only bring
|> troubles.
|> 
|> Of course I am also the guy who could little understand Israel
|> participation in the Spanish "renunciation" of the 1492 order
|> expelling Jews from that country.
|> 
|> 
|> __Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
|> Jerusalem

The Vatican kills me. Never has this world seen a more comical
institution than the Vatican of the 1990's. The Vatican only this
year, after a decade or two of investigation, finally acquiesced to
the idea that the Earth orbits the Sun. Galileo has been ex - ex -
communicated. I am sure he rolled around once or twice in his grave at
this particular misfortune - to have disassocaited oneself from the
great Roman Catholic church - only to have the association forcefully
thrust back upon one self must be most discouraging.

But on a less sarcastic note, Israel needs Vatican recognition to make
its own image more ecumenical. Certainly, with this world having many
many Catholics, the recognition of the Vatican could not hurt Israel
in such circles. And now, with peace hanging tantalizingly close on
the horizon, Israel will need to establish stronger economic ties with
the rest of the world in order to become the economic power that it
inevitably must. Certainly having the Vatican recognize Israel as a
state can only help this goal.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:30:50 GMT

In <92320.210623CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> CARIAN@auvm.american.edu writes:

>What's this?
>Yet another new denomination?

The tallisists go around putting tzitzit on everything possible.
Orthodox tallisists use coarse wool threads, while tallisists of other
denomonations use whatever it is that they make the tzitzit on the
standard American shiney white and blue tallit (what *do* they make
the tzitzit out of on these, anyway - they don't feel like wool to me,
and what is the tallit made out of, while we're at it).

The frumer-than-thou O tallisists go around checking everyone else's
tzitzit ... 
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "Warren's slogan is an Anti-semite slogan."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
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