From: ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: RE: STOP IT
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:18:55 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net



>In article <1993Jan22.224241.29325@news.ysu.edu>, ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. A
>|>
>|>
>|> Hello every body,

>Hello.

Hala...

>|>
>|> I have been following part of the latest nonsense war, and
>|> have just few comments about it in which I intend to stop
>|> this war period.  I am new to sca, and I hope to be
>|> welcomed.

>You made a mistake here, since you are new and did not follow the entire
>discussion, you should not pass the judgements that follow.

My judgement was not based on old history, it was based on the appeal
to stop such a war and on your articles that follow that message, as
you promised to stop, you keep coming back.  Even this new article
is an evident of this.  I hesitated to write back, but I won't do
it next time period.  We all need some self-control.

>Since I have promised Ibaa and Mr. Absood that I will stop it all together
>I will be very short. As one of Murphy's laws said: "Do not argue with
>fools, people might know the difference."

Action is something and promising is something else.

>|>
>|> I have to admit that this Aziz guy has been reacting lately out
>|> of his.  What is this?  Grow up!  I really feel sorry for you.

>I am glad you feel very sorry for me. You must be a very genuin and kind
>individual. Please do not forget to pray for me, as I am paranoid.

You are very welcome.  Allah Yhdeek.

>|>
>|> So far so good, every body has his own views.  If he is thinking
>|> islamically, you are thinking non-islamically.  What is wrong?

>Nothing is wrong, however are your enemies also Non-Muslims?. Also
>do you go around calling your professors Infidals and Mushriks etc.?.

Although, I can't verify what you're saying here about Hamza, but I
hope that Hamza won't use this to jump in the war again.

>|>
>|> Personally, I don't get your point.  Again you have to relax and
>|> stop going back in history to what he and you said.  Who are we?
>|> Do you think we are your parents and want to punish Hamza for
>|> whatever he did to you?  Grow up, sir.

>To bad you do not understand, It says something.

I am pleased you didn't call me idiot.  I give you
credit for that.  That is the way to do it.

>|>
>|> Again if that what he thinks, why is it bothering you personally?
>|> In Islam that is a true fact.  It is not as you claim it is Hamza's
>|> version of Islam.  People of the book and non-muslims are Kafir and
>|> Mushrik.  Either you have to accept that or go and
>|> modify every word in the Qur'an.  If you can't do that, grow up!

>You want me to grow up and you want me to change the Qur'an so that you
>do not call Non-Muslims Kuffar, Mushriks, etc. I wonder who needs to grow
>up now?. Did you really mean to write this article, you should have re-thought
>about it a few times.

Now you have to calm down again and control yourself.  What I said there is
a true fact about the Quran.  Every honest muslim belives what is in
Quran is true and so is that fact.  When I said that the only way to
change the thinking of muslims is to modify what is in Quran, and since that
is impossible, you have to either accept that fact about islam and muslims
or ??   I better control myself.  "self control is the keyword my buddy"

>|>
>|> Actually your latest articles Mr. Aziz are much much worse than
>|> his.  You were the one who drove him into this mess.  And once
>|> he did insult you, you went like a meniac crying all over.

>So you too think, that all world conflicts are religious?. Did you change your
>name before you applied to go to school in the west?. Do westerners call you
>Ishaq the "Muslim" as he wanted people to address him?.

I would rather stick with the subject.  I don't want to open
new wounds.  Honestly, I am not following your logic there.
I apologize.

>|>
>|> What is this again?  Grow up sir.  Not all people believe in what
>|> you say here.  To me and most of the people God's existence can
>|> be proved.  Therefore, your allegation about Quran are dead wrong.
>|> Please try to understand 90% of the Arabs are muslims and you
>|> offend them by saying such illogical facts.

>I guess you have not been reading SRI. I think you should post that proof
>you might win a prize. Your allegations about the changes in the Tuarat and
>Injeel are beyond comprehension.

Again you are switching gears here.  I don't want to ask what
allegations and etc ...  You are bringing new subjects which
I would rather not discuss it under this war era.

>|>
>|> I think you do that more than him.  I didn't follow much of what
>|> you posted but the previous statement is obvious.

>I am glad it is obvious to you, how come you did not join in, he could have
>used your help.

I am sure he would have.  We'll join hands from now on.  Besides,
that what muslims are for.  I would have to admit I like most of
what he says.  Please don't hate me for that.

>|>
>|> I think the source of the problem is that you didn't understand
>|> the above paragraph as you continue blame it all on him.

>All present day problems are due to the fact that not every one is a Muslim.
>I agree with you and him.

Speaking for myself, I didn't say that.  I don't know if he did, and I
hope he does not jump in.  Please, don't jump into conclusions as
you deleted the above paragraph.  Lets all be honest in quoting one
another.  You have nothing to lose and so do I.

>|>
>|> You still acting like a crying kid.  No body wants to share anything
>|> with nobody.  If it is a personal mail, keep it for yourself.

>I will keep it to myself. You will swoon if I share what your fellow Muslim
>wrote.

Thanks for keeping it off the net.  However, I would like to see
if I will swoon, please send it to my private mail address.
Thanks in advance.  I promise to reply to them as a muslim to
let them behave right.

>|>
>|> Well, for the past few days, Hamza didn't post anything to insult
>|> non-muslims.  You are the one who continues to do that.  I will assure
>|> you I will stand against him if he continues such a rabbish.

>You mean you did not find the slogan "O Christian Man" insulting. I was
>explaining that the conflict in Iraq is Non-religious and he called me a
>Himar. I am beginning to think you either do not know how to read at which
>point, you need to grow up and learn to read, or you have a filter.

Thanks for your advice.  fyi, "O Christian Man" is ok.  I compare it to
"O Muslim Man" which is also ok to a muslim.  Of course, Himar and
Gahish are not nice words, that's why this nonsense have to stop.
Today we will call people Hameer and tomorrow we will use the f words.

On another note, Hamza started calling you these names when you started
making fun of his articles by saying "O Wise Man" slogans.  Also you
called him "idiot", "shov feet in throat", "bottom of his honest shoes
is better than you", etc.  That is why all parties are to blame on
mess.

>A.Faris

A final word:
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