HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Not (was: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 02:59:39 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Sep10.205811.456@bmw.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu writes:

[ very disturbing revelation that the shipping of NS 3.0 has been held up ]

If NeXT's shipper's representative is correct about NeXT requesting that the
shipping of 3.0 be held up, then NeXT owes all of us who have ordered 3.0
prepaid, many of us several months ago, a forthright explanation of the problem
and when we will actually receive 3.0.

Many of us have tight development schedules, little reserves, etc. and just
can't withstand the uncertainty of not knowing what's happening with 3.0 and
when we can count on receiving it.

Companies and individuals who withhold this sort of info have time and time
again found out too late that customers really respond positively to honesty,
no matter how embarrassing or negative, and really hate deception.  The truth
will eventually get out and the serious harm done will take much longer to
rectify than any problems caused by being honest and up-front now.
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515
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From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: RightBrain Software File Server: up and running
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:40:41 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software


The RightBrain Software File Server is up and running.  It was easier
than I thought it would be.

Send a message to

	file-server@rightbrain.com

with the the word "help" in the body of the message (or in the subject
line) and it will send you a note on how to use it.

If you're familiar with Adobe's ps-file-server, then you already know
how to use this, because it's basically the same code, although I hacked
it so it would support NeXTmail attachments, which makes it much easier
to use.

I think all the wrinkles are out of it.  There's nothing particularly
useful stored in it yet; the PasteUp logo as an EPS file, which I
put in there for testing, and the RTF files that started all of this :-)

It's pretty neat; give it a try.  The only thing to be aware of is that
it ALWAYS will send you NeXT attachments, because we believe in the
technology and we hate ASCII.

As soon as Jack gets back from the hospital with his broken fingers
all taped up, we can start putting some real documents and sample
programs or whatever on the server for you.  We're going to try to
make it into a real repository of information about Publishing on
the NeXT.

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California
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From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge)
Subject: Maple
Summary: I want to get Maple !!
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:53:33 GMT

Anybody has an email address for Maple (and perhaps price
list for educational users).  I'll settle for a phone number
if that's all I can get....

Please reply directly to me.  Thanks in advance.

Andre Roberge
Physics Dept.
Laurentian University
Sudbury, Ontario, CANADA

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From: dlw@atherton.com (Remo Williams)
Subject: Re: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0
Organization: Atherton Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:48:16 GMT

In article <1408@esl.ESL.COM> drm@esl.com (Don McGregor ) writes:
> In article <4959@rosie.NeXT.COM> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger -  
> Manager, International NeXT User Groups) writes:
> > For optimum performance,
> > however, NeXT recommends that Release 3.0 not be run on 68030-based
> > NeXTcube systems. 
> 
> Has anyone tried running it on an '030 cube?  Just how painful is it?
> (The '040 upgrade will probably take a while, but I'd like to start  
> running it now.)

Yes, I have a 24meg 030 and it runs--it is not snappy mind you--it sort of  
feels like my Mac IIx on program loading. So there is a feeling of drag, but  
not so much that the system is unusable. Course thats just my opinion, you'll  
have to compare it against others. I upgraded to network my Mac II to my NeXT  
and now I have that along with print support from my localTalk LaserWriter NT  
so I'm a happy camper. I'd be happier with an 040 upgrade, but I'll have to  
save a while to budget that puppy in. I've only been running for a couple of  
days so I'll have more of a feel for day to day use as time progresses.

--
David Williams -- dlw@atherton.com -- NeXTMail welcome
	          dlw@netcom.com   -- NeXTMail welcome
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:45:02 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

In article <4959@rosie.NeXT.COM> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger -  
Manager, International NeXT User Groups) writes:
> For optimum performance,
> however, NeXT recommends that Release 3.0 not be run on 68030-based
> NeXTcube systems. 

Has anyone tried running it on an '030 cube?  Just how painful is it?
(The '040 upgrade will probably take a while, but I'd like to start  
running it now.)

--
Don McGregor
drm@esl.com  
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From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Re: Not (was: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0)
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:22:35 GMT

In article <SIMMONS.92Sep12121736@rigel.neep.wisc.edu> simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons) writes:
>
>
>>> Finally, most academic computing facilities I know try to avoid systems  
>>> upgrades during the school year.   This may cause 3.0 to sit on the shelf
>>> until quarter/semester break.  More bad press, in one of NeXT's strategic  
>>> markets.
>
>Academic computing or the academic market is not one of NeXT's strategic
>markets. Actions speak louder than words.
>

That is one of the most counter productive moves I have seen NeXT make (I
should know, my school just cut off all ties with NeXT 8(  ) Does NeXT not
realize that Universities train all the graphic designers, publishers,
programmers, doctors and every other key market NeXT wants?
In my view, the elimination of higher-ed markets is a foolish, short-sighted
move (FWIW)...

>--
>===============================================================================
>Second star to the right, and straight on till morning...
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Internet:     simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu
>===============================================================================

David L. Leon
dleon@seas.smu.edu

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From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 3.0 ship status from the shipper, as of 9:30am CDT, 14-sep-1992
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:04:27 GMT
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus

In article <1992Sep14.144241.17822@bmw.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff  
Brunkhorst) writes:
> They would not comment on whether or why shipments were on hold.
> Given the announcement of Novell client APIs are licensed as of
> September 8, I wonder if they pressed new CD-ROMs to reflect that
> fact (,or more messily, 3.0 orginally shipped with the APIs, without
> license, and Novell caught it, and forced a legal standoff ;-).

read the postings, geoff!

This was not an API announcement, just the regular client software!
(too many thunderstorms this morning to think straight).

I meant to say that maybe the NeXT-Novell agreement was not valid
as of Sept 1, (for whatever reason), and had to be reinked.

back to the coffee.
-geoff

--
"The only thing obsoleted by Windows 3.1 is poking myself in the
eye with a pointed stick." - Gene Lee
---------------------------------------------------------------
Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231 
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From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Subject: Not (was: NeXT Ships NeXTSTEP Release 3.0)
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:58:11 GMT


Well it shipped for a day or two, maybe....

NeXT has put on hold 3.0 shipments until at least next week, according to the  
shipper. (I called them, to see when I would get my 2nd-day air delivery).  He  
also said if I haven't got it, not to expect it until the 25th, "to be safe."

Jeff at ucc(?) was very obliging but did not say as to why 3.0 is not
shipping.  My contacts at NeXT are irritatingly quiet.

The sad thing is that the decision to hold shipment was made after NeXT
made a very public announcement of it shipping (as to say it shipped before
September 1).  When the trade rags see this, it probably not be a good press  
day for NeXT.


-geoff
---------------------------------------------------------------
Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NS 3.0 - Increased swapfile?
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:58:32 GMT
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.132536.8471@deepthought.uucp> Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu> writes:
>Has anyone noticed increased swapping in NS3.0 over NS2.x?  Several of us here  
>in town have noticed an increase in size of our swapfiles of about 15-20 Megs.   
>Mine has increase approximately 12 megabytes now, while a friends has increased  
>15-20.

Color Icons + More Features = more memory

the solution is to buy more memory


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: PasteUp Feature List
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 19:29:12 GMT


Although I may have missed some relevant postings, I've been
rather surprised by the vehement outcry for Jack Reynold's
hide to be stripped because he posted a list comparing
Pasteup/PageMaker/QuarkXpress features.  I thought it was
*highly* useful information.

The RTF aspect was clearly marked, as people have noted, so
that's not the sticking point, apparently.

This seems the place to say I'm on the beta list and have
some first-hand experience with the product.  Since people
seem keen on being judgmental, I'll say up front that I
count both Glenn Reid and Jack Reynolds as friends.

Jack is hardly an impartial judge, since he works for
RightBrain (and he didn't hide the fact), but I have a hard
time sharing the perception publishing the list was
tantamount to advertising.  Would it have been if someone
else had had the information and posted it, for example?  I
assume people who are potentially interested in the product
would be very interested in a list like that.  Indeed, I
would like to see additional columns for Ventura Publisher,
FrameMaker, and Interleaf Publisher.

Matters between Glenn and Jack (whether posting is allowed,
etc.) are for them to work out, I suppose.

<> If all that a man can understand were all there is, if
<> there were no mystery, then the mind would be trapped,
<> and damned within its limits.  One should rejoice in
<> understanding, but rejoice also in failing to understand,
<. for in that failure the mind is set free.
<> -- Wendell Berry
-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
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From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker vs Quark (RTF)
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:35:48 GMT

In article <873@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
writes:
Feature Comparison
........

Thanks for the information.  I have been wondering about theses features and  
while I agree, your post may be self-serving and not follow netiquette rules- I  
find it much more informative and useful than a most of the bickering and  
moaning I have to wade through to ACTUALLY find useful stuff.  Please keep it  
up.
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From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket)
Subject: Re: PasteUp Feature List
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:54:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.192912.5295@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess  
Anderson) writes:
> 
> Although I may have missed some relevant postings, I've been
> rather surprised by the vehement outcry for Jack Reynold's
> hide to be stripped because he posted a list comparing
> Pasteup/PageMaker/QuarkXpress features.  I thought it was
> *highly* useful information.
> [ additional valid points...]

I have to agree! Some folks seem to be getting downright evangelical!

I'm certainly in the market for something with more punch than the current  
incarnation of WriteNow and PasteUp was on the candidate list due to lack of  
information. It happens to turn out that it's missing the features that I'm  
looking for and the posting verified that.

I personally prefer this type of posting. After all, I want my machine to make  
my life easier not harder. Pointers to other sources aren't as convenient as  
just reading it in-line.

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
** I have no relation to Jack or RightBrain but like Jack's flair! **
** Heck... I like RTF posts even when reading news over SLIP (as I **
** am right now)                                                   **
From: grubb@show10.csc.wsu.edu (Monte Grubb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Tesseract: 3D Modeling and Animation Software
Keywords: 3D Modeling and Animation Software
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:05:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Sep8.230556.28998
Reply-To: grubb@show10.csc.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University


____________________________________________________________
VERSATILE DEVELOPMENT
10121 Portland Avenue East				
Tacoma, Wa  98445-3953
____________________________________________________________

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact:  Monte Grubb
(208) 882-7146  or  via NeXTmail at grubb@show10.csc.wsu.edu

RELIEF CONSULTING AND DEVELOPMENT ANNOUNCES THREE DIMENSIONAL MODELING AND  
ANIMATION SOFTWARE FOR NeXT COMPUTERS

	SEATTLE, Wa.,  September 1, 1992 - Relief Consulting and Development  
today introduced Tesseract, a three dimensional modeling package for NeXT  
computers.  Tesseract takes full advantage of the newly incorporated RenderMan  
objects to provide an interactive three dimensional modeling and animation  
environment.
	
	A full set of drag and drop quadratic shapes, light sources and  
euclidean solids are implemented with possibilities of an "expandable object  
palette(s)".  In addition, complex spline outlines can be extruded or rotated  
into shapes that can be used in conjunction with any shader.  

	This software package also incorporates constructive solid geometry and  
parametrized shapes which allow partial or truncated sections of shapes to be  
grouped to form unique shapes and objects.  These new objects can then be saved  
and added to the users "expandable object palette".  Full cut, copy and paste  
features are also supported between multiple scenes.  The development of custom  
surface, light  and displacement shaders are in progress but will not be  
announced at this time.

	"We expect to be one of the leaders in three dimensional modeling and  
animation software on the NeXT" said John Feiler, president of Relief  
Consulting and Development.  John was the sole author of the NeXT front-end to  
the highly acclaimed mathematical program, Maple V.  Relief Consulting is  
located in Seattle, Washington.


Price and Availability

	Tesseract (v0.9) is expected to ship October 1,1992.  A one-time  
introductory price will be offered at $229, which includes a free upgrade to  
Tesseract(v1.0) due out in late December.  List price is expected to be around  
$399 with site licenses available.  An educational price of $89 is offered, but  
only by electronic distribution.

Note: A slightly disabled demo version will be available from the archives.   
Demo mode will allow a one time photorealistic rendering of a scene with a  
maximum of 15 shapes.  Simple animation will not be disabled.


If you have any questions about anything listed in this message, please contact  
me at (208) 882-7146.

Sincerely,

Monte W. Grubb
Versatile Development


Trademark Information

NeXT, the NeXT logo, NeXTSTEP, NeXT Computers, NeXTstation, NeXTcube,  
NeXTdimension, NeXTmail, Interface Builder, and Workspace Manager are  
trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc.



	
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From: oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:02:47 GMT

Athony ?????? <aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> writes:
> Just installed my 3.0 upgrade today. Amidst all the wonders, there are a  
> few things that have me pulling my hair out.
>
> In the 3View demo, I can't seem to use the virtual trackball thingy to  
> rotate the rendering around. It just moves from side to side. This is  
> probably my fault, since I have seen this work in a demo. Does anyone have  
> the magic secret to this? I haven't been able to find it in the docs.

The controls are really wierd. When the object appears to be moving from
side to side, it is actually being rotated, it is just that the centre of
rotation is not the centre of the object - ** I think!?! **.  It has to be
just about the most unintuative program I've ever seen though.

> I thought Icon in 2.0 was bad, but IconBuilder is even worse. 

Well, I had to have the foresight to use the "Plan Upgrade" option and see
that it planned on removing Icon because it wasn't part of 3.0. I said no
to this, and so I still have my copy and can use it if/when I want to.

Similarly for ScorePlayer, which I think it wanted to delete too.

> Some good things... The HeaderViewer app is an absolute dream come true. 
> And, Terminal Services... YES!

Yep. Terminal Services are something you wonder how you did without...

> A pity there aren't more 3D demos. I'd love to be able to show off the 3D  
> kit to my friends in a more meaningful way, and to see what the shaders  
> look like. No great loss, though. 

Compile the 3.0 Backspace demo. It has a "Teapot" screensaver. It is a bit
slow and memory hungry, but, it is cute...

> That's about all that comes to mind right now. Hope this provokes some  
> discussion.

Well, I've done my bit, plus, I can add a few things...

I wish Librarian had some documentation on-line. My 2.0 User Guide is
useless and I'd love to know when it's behaviour is a bug, and when it is
a 'feature'.

And also how to write your own printer driver (like the ones for the
IBM ProPrinter 24P  and  Epson 510) would be nice.

All in all, it is an improvement.

   Richard.



-- 
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signature and disclaimer is left   | oneill@fornax.UUCP | NeXTmail OK, but
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From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re:  NeXTSTEP Release 3
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:49:04 GMT
Organization: L5 Computing

In article <1992Sep9.112402.11701@next.cambridge.ma.us>  
simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us (Simson L. Garfinkel) writes:
|> You definately have to delete your Librarian 2.1 indexes and rebuild them  
with  
|> 3.0.
|> 
|> It's a major bug that Librarian doesn't recognize this itself.
|> -- 
|> 
|> ................................................................simson
I found that 3.0 librarian would quite happily setup shop on top of existing
2.1 indexes without my having to delete them first. I just punched the "Set Up"
button and bingo I had a shiny new 3.0 index.

It would have been nice if Librarian would have come forward and offered to
update the indexes, sort of like the workbench offering to repair a damaged
filesystem.

Scotty
From: stuarts@landau.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NeXT to X and vice-versa
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.16782
Organization: Physics, UC Davis
Originator: stuarts@landau.ucdavis.edu

In article <1992Sep4.152742.12821@eng.ufl.edu> palkar@chaos.ee.ufl.edu writes:
>Hi,
>
>I am trying this for couple of days. Somehow I am not able to do.
>
>I have access to SUN and HP machines. I normally rlogin into one of the  
>NeXT machines. How can I setup the display so that I can utilities like  
>Mathematica, News etc...
>
>BTW I am not the only one looking for this help. I have not looked into  
>FAQ.
>
>Thank you.
>
>MALHAR

I'm not completely clear what you want to do here.  If you want the NeXTs to
open up windows on the screen of the X-windows machines so that you can run
pretty NeXTStep interface stuff, you can't.  X-windows and NeXTStep are 
incompatible.  All you can do is to run things via terminal emulators.  You
can run Mathematica this way however (the command is `math') though
graphics will probably involve saving the postscript in files and then
ftping it to the machine where you're working for display.  Going the
other way is a little better as there are various packages which will let
you run X-windows applications on a NeXT (see the FAQ if you care).

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Department of Physics		:  NeXT-Mail cheerfully accepted.
UC Davis, CA 95616, USA.	:  regular email is fine too.
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