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From: tsp@controls.ccd.harris.com (Timothy S. Pillsbury)
Subject: Re: aliases under SCO ODT
Originator: tsp@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls and Compositions
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:26:14 GMT


In article <5@btoy1.UUCP>, mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Thomas Bullinger) writes:
|> gridley@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Frank Gehrke) writes:
|> : Try as I may, I am unable to get the aliases function
|> : to work withn elm23pl11. I have a valid, at least new-
|> : alias doesn't spit back any errors, alias file. But when
|> : I attempt to use an aliase, it does not function. BTW, the
|> : (l)ist does list the alias.test file so I don't think its 
|> : a path problem. 
|> : 
|> : If suggestions are e-mail pleas use:
|> : gridley@snow.water.ca.gov
|> : 
|> : Thanks
|> 
|> I ran into the very same problem. But finally I was able to solve it:
|>    Make sure that you compile all source with no optimizations!
|> 
|> To accomplish that, set all occurences of "OPTIMZE" in the makefiles to
|> "-Od" - then it works.
|> 
|> Syd, if you copy, you may put that into the documentation (or FAQ file).
|> --
|> /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
|> | Thomas Bullinger | INTERNET:  bulli@kodak.com    ...uunet!btoy1!mrbulli |
|> | (716)253-7958    | COMPUSERVE:                               76535,2221 |
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|>    /   /_  __________  __.  _      /--<  . . // // o ____  _,  _  __
|> (_/   / /_(_) / / / <_(_/|_/_)    /___/_(_/_</_</_<_/ / <_(_)_</_/ (_
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I also was having problems getting my aliases to function (even though
the list function said they were there).

I read the faq and my problems were solved. Just run newalias at the command
line and the aliases.hash and aliases.data files are magically updated. After
that, elm can remember my aliases just fine!
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: edit aliases manually
Keywords: alias,manual,edit
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:52:28 GMT

spiegl@cs.utexas.edu (Andreas Spiegl) writes:

>I want to add some alias definition to my aliases.text etc files w/o
>having to type every one of them in seperately.
>In a previous version of elm, I was able to just add the aliases to the
>file aliases.text in the .elm directory, then deleted the .hash and .data
>files, started elm, added some other alias, and elm would start reading
>the (new) aliases.text file and building the .hash and .data file.
In the previous versions, you edited the aliases.text and ran the command
newalias.

>This does not work with version 2.3. Is there a different way to do this?
>Or is it just not possible?
In the current version you edit the file .elm/aliases.text and run newalias.

In 2.4 you edit the file .elm/aliases.text and run newalias.

It hasn't changed, it won't change.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: trouble backspacing using "s" save command ???
Keywords: elm
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:38:35 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <fish.714770554@news2.gsfc.nasa.gov> fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:
>when i use the s (save) command and make a type i can't backspace
>over what i typed - is there a way around this? i guess ^c might do
>it
>
>using elm2.3PL11

Try ^H (one letter at a time) or ^U (The whole line that you typed)

(My machine reminds me '^H is backspace!' every time I log on!}

--jm
meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich)
Subject: Re: [encode] Decryption does not work in ELM 2.3 PL11! Why ? [clear]
Organization: Vision Graphics
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:19:43 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (System Administrator)


Likewise, the save and reply funcions don't work very well when you need
to deal with an Elm encrypted message (I'm sure this must have come up
before).  

Will these problems be addressed/fixed in the 2.4 release?

PS:  I wonder if it would be feasable to combine the functionality of the
	 MUSH shell language with Elm... now _that_ would be very nice, indeed.

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From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (David W. Tamkin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: problems with filter:  too many rules??
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:31:45 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

david@MARIE.STAT.UGA.EDU (David Gundlach) wrote in
<9208272004.AA09792@marie.stat.uga.edu>:

| I am using filter for all of my mail, and I've gotten pretty complex.
| The other day I added a new group of rules, which bumped my total up
| to 26.  At that point, I found that a filter summary gave really
| strange values for my last rule-- executed hundreds of millions of
| times for negative billions of percent!

You want to see more fun?  Add a twenty-seventh rule.  Then add a
twenty-eighth.  There's no more fun after #28, though; #29 and the
rest act just like #28.  When I was running a mailing list and had
thirty filter rules, my short summaries were an exercise in low comedy.
The short summary goes nuts if you have more than twenty-five rules.

I posted about it when it happened to me.  It seems that the short
summary routines are hardcoded to expect twenty-five rules at most.

Someone (a name like "Steve Schlobohm" comes to mind) posted a patch to 
allow filter to read rules from a file other than $HOME/.elm/filter-rules.
With that patch you could condense a number of rules in your main file by
executing /path/to/filter -f newrulesfile, and there would be twenty-five or
fewer in the main rules file that the summary command would see.  Maybe the
summary command understood -f after that patch and had its own summary and
log files for each rules file, but I don't think so; a summar, short or long,
would simply have shown the action of executing /path/to/filter -f rulesfile
and you wouldn't be able to see which rule from the secondary file had been
picked up.

| I removed one rule, to put me back down to 25, and the problem disappeared.
| Any help would be appreciated, since I would not only like to add that rule
| back in but can see a time when I would add yet more rules.

The long summary and the actual actions work fine with more rules.  My
suggestion is to ignore the wild statistics in the short summary.  If you
can't ignore them, try procmail or deliver to throw your mail.

| This letter was sent to news (I hope!) via email, so please reply in kind.

Uh, I'm not sure whether "in kind" refers to news or email, so I'm replying
both ways.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: rob@csi.on.ca (Rob McAteer)
Subject: elm-light?
Summary: elm-light - does one exist?
Keywords: elm
Organization: Carp Systems International
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:29:10 GMT

I run elm at work and love, but at home, under SVR4 on an Intel box, I 
think elm may just bog the box down too much.  The elm executable on 
my RS6000 at work is ~400k (I don't know if it is optimized/debug build).
Can I get a version of elm with some of the lesser used features removed?
Thanks in advance...=8^)

-- 
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600 Terry Fox Drive, Suite 200                  Fax: (613) 592-0584
Kanata, Ontario, Canada     K2L 4B6
From: horn@jocki.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthias Horn (G.Lux))
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Does elm handle default header entries??
Keywords: header reply-to
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:14:57 GMT
Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany

In article <1992Aug31.164126.23582@sis.uucp>, richard@sis.uucp (Richard Baird) writes:
|> 
|> Hello Elm users:
|> 
|> 
|> I have just ftp'd and built elm and I am wondering.... Is there a way to
|> have elm include a default header in a message. I was using mush and 
|> found having mush automatically insert a Reply-To: field a very nice
|> feature. The only way I can do it now is to use the "edit headers" 
|> feature of the "m" command, but this becomes anoying after a few messages.
|> I really like using elm.....it is *real* easy to use, but this header 
|> stuff is a real problem for me.
|>  
|> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
|> 
|> Richard
|> 
|> p.s. Sorry if this is a FAQ
|> --
|> |Richard Baird              |e-mail:  richard.baird@sheridanc.on.ca           |
|> |Computing & Communications |phone: (416) 845-9430 x449  #include <disclaim.h>|
|> |Sheridan College, Oakville,|                                                 |
|> |Ont. Canada                |  Sorry, no witty comments this week!            |

You have to set up the file ~/.elm/elmheaders.

But aren't the manuals ftp'able too ?

M.Horn
 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: linda@uni-paderborn.de (Linda Floren)
Subject: Re: Filter problems
Organization: Uni Paderborn FB 17 Informatik GERMANY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:40:11 GMT

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Minor <minor@rtsg.mot.com> writes:
Kevin> Nntp-Posting-Host: coal8

Kevin> gt7237a@prism.gatech.EDU (Matt Le Blanc) writes:

Kevin> |>Hmmm.  Anyone know why my filter works only sometimes.  Seems that it
Kevin> |>only works when I first log off.  Then, after a while after I logged
Kevin> |>off, the filter stops working and when I log back in, none of the new
Kevin> |>mail is filtered.  Thanks for any help.

Kevin> I've observed tons of filter problems. Lost mail. Spool corruption, etc.

Kevin> Unfortunately, I can't help with your problem.

Kevin> I talked to Syd a while back about my problems and he seemed to indicate
Kevin> problems with how NFS operates.

This refers to problems of elm itself, not to filter.

Kevin> But it never explained how other mail
Kevin> agents could handle what ELM could not under in the same environment.
Kevin> I mean read and writing to the spool file is something that is normally
Kevin> easily handled by mail agents (runing in the UNIX environment) but ELM
Kevin> seemed to have problems with it sometimes.

Elm has problems, because it works on /var/spool/mail/user, while most
of the other mail-agents pipe the mail into a file in Your
home-directory. Thus if something goes wrong, new arived mail can get lost.

We easily got rid of our elm-problems, when we stopped the
elm-feature, that makes elm look for new mail EVERY SECOND !!! This of
course causes lots of NFS-traffic.

Now elm only looks for new mail when an arrow-key (up, down) is
pressed, an it works absolutely fine ever since!

Kevin> Several other users here had various problems with Elm's filter and
Kevin> finally yanked the filter which cleared up the problems.

Kevin> I finally gave up on ELM's filter too. I was losing too many messages as
Kevin> well as getting corruption in my "main" mailbox. For example, if I had a 
Kevin> message that was 30 lines long and did a resynch (perhaps while mail was
Kevin> incoming) that message would suddenly become 2 lines long.

This is also the above NFS-problem and has nothing to do with filter.

Kevin> I've never seen the above happen when I don't use the filter.

Kevin> Unfortunately (again), I have not been able to correlate exactly what
Kevin> happens to give Syd anymore information. And I know how tough it can
Kevin> be to try and solve problems without enough data.
Kevin> -- 
Kevin> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
Kevin> |	Kevin Minor	UUCP: ...uunet!mcdchg!motcid!minor	|
Kevin> |			Mail: minor@rtsg.mot.com		|
Kevin> \~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/


Never give up trying!

Linda Floren
(linda@uni-paderborn.de)
(postmaster@uni-paderborn.de)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Highlight line moves when I undelete a message
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:27:04 GMT

wilkins@cs.cofc.edu (James B. Wilkinson) writes:
>If I move to a previously deleted message and undelete it, the highlight
>then moves down to the next line.  I consider this a bug, since I am
>probably going to do something with the message immediately.  Elm seems
>to be acting as if I had deleted the message instead of undeleting it. 
>Is this a feature?
Yes it is, and has been since before I took over Elm about 4 years ago.
It was decided long ago, that undeleting a message, would probably be done
to a bunch in succession, so it was best to move the 'current' message
pointer on an undelete.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: Forward
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:12:58 GMT

mai@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Andrew Mai) writes:
>We are running ELM 2.3 PL11 with a pretty standard configuration
>(as far as I can tell) and a pretty standard elmrc file.  When
>forwarding a message (using the 'f' key), if we answer 'n' to the
>question 'Edit outgoing message? (y/n)', the recipient gets two
>messages.  The first contains one line:
>
>Forwarded message:
>
>and the second contains the message as coming from the original
>sender.  If we answer 'y' (or just hit the carriage return) to
>the question 'Edit outgoing message', the recipient gets only one
>message containing the 'Forwarded message' line and the original
>message.

When you say "no" to the "Edit outgoing message?" question, elm
composes your message this way:

----------
Forwarded message:
>From blah blah blah
>Other:
>Headers:

body of message
----------

This may be dependent on the value of noheaders in your elmrc, I'm not
sure but I don't think so.  In any case, the important thing to note
is that the first line after "Forwarded message:" is a From_ line in
legal Unix mailbox format.  If this message were to arrive in
someone's mailbox, their mailer would recognize that line as the start
of a message, EXCEPT, that From_ line has a ">" quoting prefix at the
beginning.  If for some reason that quoting prefix were left out, this
would cause the behavior you describe.

To ferret this one out, you might try forwarding a message, answering
no to "Edit outgoing message?", but then, when presented with the
menu, choose E)dit instead of S)end.  Then, you will be able to edit
the message before it goes out.  If the From_ line doesn't have a > at
the beginning, add one.  Then, send out the message, and see what
happens.  If the recipient's mailer still sees it as two separate
messages, check his/her incoming mailbox manually (using cat, more, or
something like that) and see if the > got preserved.  If it did, his
MUA has problems recognizing valid From_ lines.  If not, then
something weird is happening in the transfer.

  --  Cos (Ofer Inbar)  --  cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe)
Subject: Re: trouble backspacing using "s" save command ???
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:11:27 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Keywords: elm

In <fish.714770554@news2.gsfc.nasa.gov> fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:

>when i use the s (save) command and make a type i can't backspace
>over what i typed - is there a way around this? i guess ^c might do
>it

Elm uses tty cooked mode for multi-character input, such as the save
destination (as opposed to raw mode for single-character input such as
commands from the menu screen).  For such input, the tty settings elm
is running under count because all input editing is done by the system
and not by elm.  Depending on how you're starting elm, the default tty
settings may not be what you're expecting, e.g. the erase character may
default to DEL rather than ^H.  For instance, I encountered this
problem when a user had his stty settings in his .login file but was
starting elm in a manner which didn't process his .login and didn't
inherit his current settings.

Examine where your stty/tputs customization occurs and whether or not
it's getting executed by the method you start elm when you experience
this problem.  Sorry I can't give you a cookbook answer on how to fix
it, but there's too little information about your environment for all
the variables to this problem.

-- 
 Dave Wolfe   | 6501 William Cannon Dr. W. | (512) 891-3246
 Motorola SPS | Austin, TX  78735-8598     | dwolfe@pets.sps.mot.com
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: one question + a few wishes
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:04:16 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

Question:

Is it possible to set *autocopy* and *savename* in such a way that
outbound mail is automatically copied to your *sentmail* folder but
(manually) saving an incoming message will default to a folder which is
the login name of the message sender?

Wishes:

Are there any plans to change the way in which *savename* deals with
multiple recipients? At the moment it just uses the login name of the
first recipient which, for me, is not very useful. I'd like to use a
folder "=user1+user2+user3" where the list of login names is a sorted
(or somehow canonicalized) version of the list of recipients.

Are there any plans to include some sort of completion mechanism for
folder selection, a la filename completion in certain shells or
(better) newsgroup completion in nn?

Tx. [elm newbie]
--
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: from: line problems
Keywords: elm2.3pl11 from: line
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:42:26 GMT

earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl) writes:
>I have been experiencing problems with my From: line.
>The line is formed from my nodename.rest_of_address, when
>it should be motcid.rtsg.mot.com.  Is there any way to force
>elm to build my From:?  (This is elm2.3pl11 on a sun network).

For a single user - no, for an entire installation, its a
compile time configuration option, which for sendmail defaults
to DONT_ADD_FROM.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov (David S. Browning)
Subject: Filter only?
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:22:44 GMT
Reply-To: browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov

I'm looking for some way to divert incoming mail to different folders
before reading it, from noisy mailing lists, for example.  I stumbled
across elm's "filter" program, but I don't want to use the rest of
elm.  I currently use VM from within emacs and I'd rather not change.
(At least not today!)

Before I retrieve Elm, install it on my own system, and then beg,
plead and argue for setgid permission from my sysadmin (with no
guarantee of success), can elm's filter be used easily by itself?  Are
there better ways to do what I want, given I'm not interested in the
rest of elm?  I've already learned one handy thing
("|/usr/lib/sendmail $LOGNAME" in rn) since subscribing to this
newsgroup, so I'm confident you all can enlighten me!

-- David

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: SCO Unix v3.2.2 and Elm v2.3 woes
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 08:58:11 GMT

In <1992Aug30.143831.19268@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>marekp@generic.uucp (Marek Pawlowski) writes:
>This is the well known problem where SCO distributed the directories
>with the wrong permissions.  Run the MMDF script checkup and follow its
>instructions to change some of the directory permissions.  Then Elm will
>work much better.

If you have any mail problems at all, run the MMDF checkup
program first. It also tells little white lies insofar as the
actual permissions required (always suggests group perms 0,
I think). Anyway, when you have it set correctly, it will
only complain about a missing program in one of the
channels. Just relax them to what's sensible according to
the directory. It may take a few runs of checkup to get it
right.

>Secondly, Elm need not be Setuid root.  SCO UNIX, being a SysV UNIX,
>Elm should be setgid mail, with /usr/mail being group mail and permissions
>775.  Thats all Elm needs, there is no reason for it to be setuid root.

BTW: SCO uses /usr/spool/mail.
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From: wfang@a.chem.upenn.edu (Wenjia Fang)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Help needed on "sent" folder
Summary: why my sent folder wasn't set up?
Keywords: sent folder, elm, sgi,IRIX
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:41:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I installed Elm 2.3/PL11 on a Sgi running IRIX 4.0.4. Everything looks
fine except it can't build my "folder". I checked my .elm/elmrc file,
in which, the sent folder is set "==sent", the default, and autocopy
is "on". Since the elmrc file is exactly the same on my two other 
accounts, one is SUN/OS, another is IRIX3.3---both are able to set
up the "sent" folder. I wonder if there is something wrong when I 
configure the elm. 

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.




-- 
Wenjia Fang
wfang@a.chem.upenn.edu
'94 BSE/CSE