HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: C News (was Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups)
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats

In article <1992Jul27.200244.2456@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>> In article <920725204@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>>
>> >Elm and NN are ported to 4.0, just runs fine. I'm thinking about porting
>> >the latest C-News (Performance Release from May 2, 1992) to 4.0.
>> >Is someone else working on this?
>> 
>> I've been meaning to grab the cnews sources.  You know, the worst part is
>> going to be hacking the scripts.  Specifically sendbatches, inews, and
>> anne.jones.  I've been using sh from 3.1.0 to run my old cnews.
>
>It may not be too bad, a lot of C News in the performance release has been
>rewritten in C. I think anne.jones doesn't exist, all of inews is now in C.

That would be great!  I'll have to grab the sources from uunet and take a
look.  It could be compile and play.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth)
Subject: Re: New uploads at raven (137.229.10.39)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:36:28 GMT

If GCC is on mwcbbs yet, could someone move it to raven?  I realize its a lot of phone time,
but I can't get uucp to dial long distance from here.

Thanks,
Ken Friberg
From: ron@bwunltd.wciu.edu (Ronald Becker Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Reclaiming Partitions
Organization: Becker Williams UnLtd
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 06:25:10 +0100

collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com () writes:
> I have set up Coherent 3.2.1 on my secondary HD a 85 meg SCSI.  Partition
> 4-7 are for Coherent (0-3 is my IDE drive c: msdos).
> 
> I want to now reclaim partitions 6 & 7 that I setup for Coherent
> now for MSDOS.  I have done this using FDISK and formatted them with
> no problems.
> 
> My question is, how do I eliminate Coherent looking for these two
> partitions?  When I boot up Coherent, it gives me a lot of error
> messages on directories /v /w (the names of the partitions 6 & 7).
> What do I need to change to eliminate this?

	Check /etc/mount.all and /etc/checklist for entries pointing
to the former filesystems.  /etc/chekclist is used by fsck to check
filesystems at boot time.  /etc/mount.all is pointed to by /etc/rc
at bootime to mount any ancillary systems.

	To be accurate, /v and /w are not the names of the paritions.
Rather they are the names of the directories on which the file systems 
found in partitions 6 & 7 were mounted.

	Good Luck!
--

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: FAQ anyone?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:58:25 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
: I'd be happy to maintain a FAQ if people from the net and from MWC are willing
: to help me compile information for it.

I'm willing to help you to collect the informations. But better you would
write it, because of my not very perfect english.
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Udo Munk     | voice:      +49 2131 275348             | uucp: +49 2131 278869
Oberstr. 21  | mail :      udo@umunk.GUN.de            |      2400/1200/300 8N1
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Fed. Rep. of | CompuServe: 100021,2515                 | login: uucp
Germany      | at first connect get ~/info  and ~/files| pwd:   public
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons)
Subject: Clarification of addresses
Originator: dfp10@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:46:31 GMT

I have been trying to get a better understanding of mixed uucp addresses and	internet addresses. I use COH for 286 and have been given the use of a local	node (say foo) which does not seem to connect to anything else. However I can	send mail to my other accounts on local machines as long as I use the complete	host address: foo!albnydh2.bitnet!dfp10 or foo!uacsc2.albany.edu!dfp10 or
foo!thor.albany.edu!dfp10.  I dont know why this works (whether it is due to
phone links between foo and albany.edu LANS or whether it is due to forwarding
info in the foo .forward file or due to listed connections in its uuname file
(I dont have access to these).  Anyway,now that I can reach the Internet 
host I want to reach out further to both Internet and uucp addresses. For the
latter, how do I find out whether there is a uucp gateway on these machines?
Thanks for any help. Don

D
D
machines, how do I go farther? I cant see how I can make another Internet hop	let alone a uucp one. Thelatter needs a uucp gateway
-- 

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PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992
dfp10@uacsc2.albany.edu dfp10@albnydh2.bitnet Cis 71777,212
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Questions about Coherent.
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:15:33 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

t9114145@phillip.edu.au () writes:
: I have a couple of questions about Coherent which the ad. in Byte
: doesn't answer for me. 
:  
: 1. Does it come with a C compiler? 
: I really want a UNIX at home because I want to be able to work on 
: C assignments at home, and I want ANSI C, not some Borland or Microsoft
: mutation.

Coherent comes with C compiler, assmbler linker, librian, lex and yacc.
The MWC compiler has all features of ANSI C, but no prototyping.
However, with 4.0 and enough memory you may run gcc and gcc++.

: 2. Can it be networked? i.e. can I pick up and read (then post) usenet
: with Coherent?

This posting is done with Coherent and the newsreader tin. TCP/IP isn't
available for Coherent yet.

: 3. If in the future I have the hardware for X-windows, will Coherent
: do it?

Coherent comes without X, and X isn't ported to Coherent yet. But now
with 4.0 it's possible to get X up and running. I think it's only a
question of time.
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Udo Munk     | voice:      +49 2131 275348             | uucp: +49 2131 278869
Oberstr. 21  | mail :      udo@umunk.GUN.de            |      2400/1200/300 8N1
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Fed. Rep. of | CompuServe: 100021,2515                 | login: uucp
Germany      | at first connect get ~/info  and ~/files| pwd:   public
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Cnews
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:06
Organization: Private Coherent 3.2.1 site waiting for 4.0

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> 
> The problem, if I remember from when I once played with real C News on
> Coherent, is a long series of echo statements inside a ( ) subshell, which
> has it's output redirected to create a file. You have to split into two
> sections. But getting the Coherent C News would be easier.

Thanks for all the answers. Now, just curious:

Is this a problem of the 16-bit model and may I expect that this doesn't
show in Coh 4.0?

And, if this is a "stack overflow", why doesn't fixstack work?  I guess
it is not the program stack of the shell but the command stack for piping?
Hope this will be increased in the 32-bit version...

--ralf
------------------------------------------------- please ignore next sig!
From: edi@edefix.han.de (E. v. Pappenheim)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Interesting Modem Problem
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:41:26 GMT
Organization: Private

X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel) writes:
: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
: > My modeminit is changed from the standard Coherent one somewhat, for
: > starters it's actually /etc/modeminit rather than living in /usr/bin.
: > Mine actually just calls a script called /etc/modemreset which does the
: > work of spitting a command string to the port at the right speed, so
: > /etc/modeminit is similar in concept to something like /etc/drvld.all.
: > The misconfigured modeminit was initialising the modem and presumably the
: > serial drivers to 9600 baud on com2, so later attempts by login (reading
: > from /etc/ttys) to use the port at 19200 were causing speed mismatches.
: 
: Am not absolutely sure why you need something like modeminit at all.
: I run my Coherent-BBS without modeminit.

If you aren't running your system 24h Coherent, it's nice to have a modem-
init to set the modem to autoanswer :-)
I even have a /etc/modemreset to switch off autoanswer on shutdown ...

: I setup the modems ( 1 USR Dual Standard ) to a fixed baud rate of 19200 Baud.
: I also setup the modem to reset whenever DTR drops.
: When I want to place a UUCP-call then all info is in /etc/modemcap (former
: times) or is now contained in /usr/local/conf/uucp/sys (Taylor-UUCP).
: 
: I think that a hardware reset (DTR drops, MODEM RESETS) is always better
: than a software reset.
: I tried it with several V32bis-modems (USR, ZYXEL, Telebit) and it always
: worked fine.
: With some cheaper V32bis modems (ie. SUPRA - ROCKWELL-CHIPSET) you will
: have problems. Especially because you cannot set a fixed speed. Under
: some circumstances it automaticly switches to a higher speed and then you
: only get junk on the screen. 

I have no problems with my SUPRAFAX 32bis (ROM version 1.200c), you CAN set 
it to a fixed speed, and it resets on DTR-drop, if you set AT&D3 :-)

: Cheers
: 
: Joachim

Ciao,

Ecki
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: Re: New uploads at raven (137.229.10.39)
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Distribution: comp
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:49:35

A minor correction: the directory list was truncated; there are
actually 17 parts to uucp.zipXX and three parts for xcomm33.zipXX.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: port problem
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 05:26:23 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

"Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:

> Hi there! Have I reached Coherent Tech Support there? I've sent a few
> messages to support@mwc.com and <username_forgotten>@mwc.com, but
> haven't either gotten replies nor bounces. Is this the correct spot?
> Apologies if it's not...

Sort of. comp.os.coherent is a support forum for us users, we're just
fortunate that staff from MWC read and write to this newsgroup as well.

It's odd that you've received no replies from support@mwc.com, they're usually
pretty good. How long ago did you send messages?

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Subject: FAQ anyone?
Summary: C.O.C needs an FAQ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:33:22 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833
Keywords: FAQ


	In the past few weeks I have seen countless messages all asking
	the same questions, and countless more giving the same answers.
	It seems that comp.os.coherent would really benifit from a FAQ.

	Now unfortunately I have very little time to take on such a
	project on my own, and I'm sure it's probably the same for most
	of you as well. Maybe we can get a group effort going, with the
	help of Tech Support at MWC and get one put together. 

	Would anyone be willing to help in this effort, especially
	someone from MWC?

	Marcelo -

-- 
Marcelo Gallardo			marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu
Test and Evaluation Specialist		...!princeton!deadzone!marcelo
Princeton University			marcelo@Princeton.EDU
Advanced Technologies and Applications		(609) 258-5661
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Virtaul Memory in 4.0
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:44:30 GMT

bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger) writes:

>>
>> I have been reading the postings for Coherent 4.0 (or is it Coherent 386?).
>> According to the postings, Coherent 4.0 does not include virtual memory.  But,
>> a short review in Byte magazine (Aug 1992, I think) claims that it does.  Both
>> sources of info claim no socket support.  What's the deal?  Does 4.0 have
>> virtual memory or not.  Also if these two items (virtual memory and
>> sockets) are not included now, does anyone at Coherent have an idea if
>> and/or when they might be?

>Coherent 4.0 will NOT have vm nor sockets. Both are slated for 4.1
>--
>--
>(====================]          _____		   MWC Technical Support
>         \\             (===================)		bob@mwc.com
>   (======\\======]         /// ~~~~~
>           \\/             ///	 Scottie, you didn't beam them into space?
>    ===========================	 Why, no sir, that would be inhuman.
>     =========================(	 ...dramatic pause... well?!
>					 I gave them to the Klingons sir.

I know this must seem premature, (esp considering that 4.0 is just now 
shipping) but has there been any determination of when this might be,
(temporally speaking)?

TIA
Keith


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From: indycms.bitnet!COHERENT@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: TCPIP & NFS in Coherent
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:20:00 GMT
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

>
> Bob,
>
> Could you tell me if:
> 1. Coherent has both of the items from the subject line built in?
> 2. Will they be supported in 4.1 (if "no" to the first question)?

We are planning on networking for 4.1. Any comments about details about the
 EXACT
form that support will be is extremely premature right now. We should have
more definitive answers on this in a couple of months.

> 5. Does Coherent have development tools (and libraries) included in
>    the basic system?

Yes, basically the same tools (32 bit versions) found in 3.x.x are in 4.0

--
--
(====================]          _____     MWC Technical Support
         \\             (===================)  bob@mwc.com
   (======\\======]         /// ~~~~~
           \\/             ///  Scottie, you didn't beam them into space?
    ===========================  Why, no sir, that would be inhuman.
     =========================(  ...dramatic pause... well?!
            I gave them to the Klingons sir.
From: rogue@anableps.berkeley.edu (Brett Glass)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent for R4000?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 02:28:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu
Originator: rogue@anableps.berkeley.edu

Just read an article stating that several workstation vendors are looking
for an OS to run on the ARC (Advance RISC Computing) machines that use
the R4000 chip. If Coherent is portable enough, it might be a good fit.

SOMEONE certainly ought to dive in....

<BG>


-- 
"Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
 Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
 broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
 where it will end."                   -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: port problem
From: qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M. Baldwin )
Organization: Citrus Grove Public Access ( 916 ) 381-5822    Sacramento CA.  USA
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:23
Reply-To: qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M. Baldwin )

In article <9207211215.AA00212@csx.cciw.ca> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>In article <m0m9AFt-0000KHC@r-node.gts.org> you write:
>>Hi there! Have I reached Coherent Tech Support there? I've sent a few
>>messages to support@mwc.com and <username_forgotten>@mwc.com, but
>>haven't either gotten replies nor bounces. Is this the correct spot?
>>Apologies if it's not...
>
>Are you including the serial number (of your copy of Coherent) in your
>messages?
>
>When I first tried to contact support@mwc.com, I forgot the serial number and
>I too wondered why they didn't respond.  Then I resent the message with my
>serial number and received an answer the next day.

No wonder I've had such poor luck with support@mwc.com!

It would be nice if this were made clear!  This is the first time I've
heard or seen anything that says anything about including the
serial #!
-- 

Joel M. Baldwin
System Administrator,  Citrus Grove Public Access
N6NPL      H ( 916 ) 383-9470        W ( 916 ) 452-1481
uunet!csusac.ecs.csus.edu!citrus!qumqats    Sacramento CA.   USA.
qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US						/\../\

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: C News (was Re: gnews and moderated newsgroups)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:03:09 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <Bs0x7K.2pp@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>Craig Harding:
>>It may not be too bad, a lot of C News in the performance release has been
>>rewritten in C.  I think anne.jones doesn't exist, all of inews is now in C.
>
>anne.jones is gone, but inews and subordinates are still shell scripts,
>though smaller, simpler and faster than before.


Which means that I get to hack inews to make it work with Coherent sh.

There are only two or three shells that can parse all the cnews scripts
out of the box.

1. sh from AT&T sources.
2. ksh from AT&T sources.
3. bash, if you like to have a 250k /bin/sh.

Geoff, if you know of another sh clone that will do the job, I'm all ears.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Dumb terminals to Coherent?
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 04:56:14 GMT
Organization: Messina Software


Since the knowledgable fellow netters helped me out with one question,
I will risk another:

I would like to connect four (or more) dumb terminals to one 386 running
Coherent.  Can it be done?  Inexpensively?  Is there a support for it?
What would I need to do - get some kind of multiplexers?  Anyone has
tried it?

Thanks,

Tony
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:35:19 

besler@geop.ubc.ca writes: (re. multi-processing OS's on XT's)

>Well, it's nice to see that you stand by your statement, but you're WRONG.
>Although it is not unix,  there is an OS for XT's and above called PC/GEOS
>which has virtual memory and flat memory addressing. All this in a 70k kernel.
>Throw in the Motif GUI that gets linked to it at boot-up time, and the fact
>that it has pre-emptive multitasking and you get a system that kicks MicroSloth
>Windoze in the head!   

Great. Now where's the software for it?? :)
Besides AOL's software and the integrated software that the same company
sells (can't remember the name) ... there is none!!

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From: messina@NETCOM.COM (Tony Porczyk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: TCPIP & NFS in Coherent
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:59:48 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Bob,

Could you tell me if:
1. Coherent has both of the items from the subject line built in?
2. Will they be supported in 4.1 (if "no" to the first question)?
3. How would I be able to crossmount between 2-3 Coherent workstations
   in one office?
4. Do all of the character mode apps from SCO run on Coherent?
5. Does Coherent have development tools (and libraries) included in
   the basic system?
Will appreciate your reply.

Tx,

Tony
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: ag157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James E. Sizemore, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Coherent Software on a Mail Server
Reply-To: ag157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James E. Sizemore, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:59:43 GMT


In a previous article, kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth) says:

>In article <1g5HoB2w164w@nzkites.UUCP> foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker) writes:
>>I know that I can dial into MWC and use their BBS to obtain Coherent
>>software. Is there a net site that offers a mail server with Coherent
>>software?  From my remote leaf on the net, I don't have FTP access.  
>>
>>Thanks!!
>>
>>Foster Schucker
>>
>>
>>
>>Foster Schucker  (foster@nzkites.uucp)  (1-215-458-8354 (voice))
>
>There are mail to ftp servers that can get stuff for you off of ftp sites.  Unfortunately,
>I don't know the address of one, or how they work.  Maybe someone else here can tell you
>how they work.
>
>Ken Friberg
>
>
Send "help" in body of message to Ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com 
This is an ftp mailserver that can retrieve files automatically
from almost any ftp server and mail them to you.


Jim


-- 
James E. Sizemore Jr.
ag157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Cleveland Ohio, USA.
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Dumb terminals to Coherent?
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:28:40 GMT

From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
>
>Since the knowledgable fellow netters helped me out with one question,
>I will risk another:
>
>I would like to connect four (or more) dumb terminals to one 386 running
>Coherent.  Can it be done?  Inexpensively?  Is there a support for it?
>What would I need to do - get some kind of multiplexers?  Anyone has
>tried it?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tony

You could connect four terminals using Com1-4 using two cheap serial cards.
The only problem is that two of the ports would have to use polling drivers,
and those seem to drain a lot of power out of the box.  (Not suprising.)

 - Ron Sharp.