Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 04:12:58 EST
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 11 Issue 10
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                   ?Upcoming GLB Campus Conferences?
                    Univ. of So. Cal as an employer
                     Queer wins White House lottery
                          glb astronomy folks
              Greetings and gratitude and suggested topic
                               Alaska???
              Anti-Gay Initiatives Planned in Other States
                   ?Upcoming GLB Campus Conferences?
                    VSC Gay and Lesbian Association
                                Gay RAs
                                  test
                              Celebrations
                       Gays in the Military News

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: ?Upcoming GLB Campus Conferences?
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:23:15 GMT

Burrton Woodruff <Woodruff@Butler.EDU> writes:

>Are there any upcoming conferences for campus GLB groups?

Try at the March On Washington, April 25 1993 in DC.

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C., April 25 1993''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"We are gay, we are black. We are often asked to choose between one or the
other and we cannot. We need to find the strength to be both."-Pomo Afro Homos

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Subject: Univ. of So. Cal as an employer
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:29:00 PST
Encoding: 4 TEXT
From: An Anonymous Sender

I have an e-mail-less friend going for a job interview at the University of
Southern California.  Any thoughts from employees or former employees about
what the place is like from an employee's view?

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Queer wins White House lottery
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:22:11 GMT

aruesga@cc.gettysburg.edu writes:

>Clinton's symbolic opening of the White House yesterday was more P.R. than
>anything else, but CNN did show an unidentified man shaking Clinton's hand
>in the reception line, and thanking Clinton for his support of the gay and
>lesbian community.

Well, on the ABC Nightly News they showed a GWM talking to Clinton and
introducing ``his husband'', also a GWM, and they expressed thanks to
Clinton for his support for ``human rights regardless of sexual ,orientation''.

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: glb astronomy folks
Distribution: local
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:18:30 GMT

Eric Howard <ehwd@sherman.pas.rochester.edu> writes:

>This is to announce to formation of a casual distribution list
>for glb astronomy folks. If you work in the astronomy field or
>are a student, qualify as glb folks, and want to join, send me
>(ehwd@sherman.pas.rochester.edu) your e-mail address. At this
>point this is just an alias that I have set up that sends mail
>to everyone in the group.

You should try posting to noglstp, the National Organisation of gay and lesbian
scientists and technical professionals mailing list, found at
noglstp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov.

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:09:31 -0800 (PST)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Greetings and gratitude and suggested topic
Mime-Version: 1.0

Hello to everyone!  I'm so glad gaynet is back.  Many thanks to John
Perkins for his hard work and persistence.

I'm about halfway through the book After The Ball.  almost convinced that
non-conventional gay people should stay in the background.  then just as
convinced that if all the conventional-appearing gay people came out,
nobody would have to hide.  then indignantly remind myself that the moral
issue outweighs the practical one--NOBODY should have to hide in the
closet and that's the point.  the authors do an excellent presentation of
the nature of prejudice, which they then use to justify the
keep-the-drags-out-of-sight-until-later strategy.  It all boils down to
whether the end justifies the means.   Comments?

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:17 GMT
From: Brian Nunes <0005066380@mcimail.com>
Subject: Alaska???

Does anyone on this message group live in Alaska, or have access to a
good information source in Alaska?

I'm trying to follow up on a tip that the City Assembly of Juneau,
Alaska, was considering a human rights ordinance including a ban on
discrimination based on sexual orientation.  Also, on a similar
measure in Anchorage, that's apparently been stalemated for weeks.

Any more up-to-date news would be appreciated.

Thanks,

=Brian Nunes=*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
MCI Mail:  savoirfaire / 506-6380  | savoirfaire@MCIMail.com
USPS:  8206 De Longpre Ave. #10    | VOICE:  +1-213-656-9117
       West Hollywood, CA  90046   |    (message-capable)

"An informed community is a strong community" - Cindy Friedman,
on the international gay and lesbian radio magazine, THIS WAY OUT

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Subject: Anti-Gay Initiatives Planned in Other States
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:23:05 EST
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

_NEWSWEEK_ magazine has reported that anti-gay ballot initiatives are being
organised in 11 states, namely:

MICHIGAN
IDAHO
OHIO
WASHINGTON
MONTANA
MINNESOTA
CALIFORNIA
MAINE
GEORGIA.


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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``BOYCOTT COLORADO!''
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"White males make up only 39.8% of the American population, yet they comprise
fully 88% of the officers who drove savings and loans into bankruptcy."

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Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:27:12 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joel D. Kraft" <KRAFTJOEL@bvc.edu>
Subject: Re: ?Upcoming GLB Campus Conferences?
Organization: Buena Vista College
Mime-Version: 1.0

>From: Burrton Woodruff <Woodruff@Butler.EDU>
>Subject: ?Upcoming GLB Campus Conferences?
>
>Are there any upcoming conferences for campus GLB groups?

The Midwest Bisexual, Gay and Lesbian College Conference will take place
at Iowa State University on February 27 and 28.  This may be a bit far for
you, Burrton, but if anyone else in the area would like to attend the
registration fee is $15 now or $20 at registration time.

If anyone would like information, send me a message and I will send you
more details.  You can also request information from the source:

MBGLCC                  (515) 292-1111
39 Memorial Union
Ames, IA  50011

There is also another conference on the weekend of February 12 somewhere
in Illinois, although I don't remember exactly where right now.

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Joel D. Kraft         | ...And I don't know if I can do it
Buena Vista College   |        Oh no I've said too much
Storm Lake, IA        |                I haven't said enough...    -REM
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:35:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Doug Carver <dcarver@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu>
Subject: VSC Gay and Lesbian Association
Mime-Version: 1.0

     Just a brief summary of the activities of the Valdosta State College
Gay and Lesbian Association:
	Our main objective for the Fall and Winter quarters of this
academic year is to obtain recognition from the Student Government
Association.  We have employed various methods to obtain this
controversial status, including threatening administration officials with
a lawsuit to an agressive flyer program to a petition drive on our campus
here in Valdosta, Georgia.
	I can now report with some certainty that we are going to be
successful.  Within three weeks, the SGA will vote, and I feel we have a
majority "yes" vote.
	Now, we are planning our first fundraiser, the "GLA's Cleaning Out
Your Closet Thrift Sale" will get under way in early February.  Thrift
store items are especially popular among the progressive college students,
so we feel we'll be grandly successful in our first fundraiser.
	In Spring quarter, we are planning to throw "Constantine's Rave"
in an attempt to draw that progressive crowd towards us.  Any suggestions
on throwing rave's would be more than welcome at
dcarver@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu.

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Date:    Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:47 EST
From: "Ross M Berrier"                            <RMBERRI@UNC.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject: Gay RAs

I am a RA (Resident Assistant) at UNC-Chapel Hill.  A co-worker and
I have established a support group for LBG RAs (only) on campus. I want
to find out if others have done similar things on their campuses.
If you have established, or go to such a group, please write me; I am
interested in hearing about it.
Ross M. Berrier
rmberri@unc.bitnet

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Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:58:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: test
Mime-Version: 1.0
From: An Anonymous Sender

just a test

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From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Subject: Re: Celebrations
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:47:37 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs

gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu writes:

>What a joy to come into work today and find Gaynet back up and running.
Yes, it's nice to see it up again.

>This is really a day to celebrate, first full day of Clinton's administration,
>Headline News mentions today that Defense Secretary Aspin is expected to
>over-rule the ban on Gays and Lesbians either today or the next few days,
I'll believe it when I see it.  One report made it sound like it
may still get dragged out somewhat.

>"Spring" is really here.
The sun is showing through a bit, but we have a long way to go
before the thaw.

Jim Hubbs

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Date: 23 Jan 93 03:46:53 EST
Subject: Gays in the Military News
From: An Anonymous Sender

   WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton could take the first step
toward lifting the ban on homosexuals in the military as early as
next week, but some top military officials still hope to dissuade
him.
   "We still want to delay the decision. We think there is an
opportunity to influence the decision," one high-ranking officer
said at the Pentagon on Thursday.
   Speaking on condition of anonymity, he said members of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff were not prepared to compromise. They met Thursday
afternoon with Defense Secretary Les Aspin.
   The chiefs also expect to meet with Clinton to express their
reservations to him directly, the officer said.
   But another defense official said "the president's position is
clear, and we have to make it work."
   Earlier Thursday, Reps. Barney Frank and Gerry Studds, both
Massachusetts Democrats and both gays who were consulted by the new
administration, said Clinton will soon direct Aspin to draw up an
executive order formally lifting the ban.
   In the interim, the president will order the military to stop
asking recruits about their sexual orientation or discharging
members of the armed services who are found to be gay, said the
congressmen.     "Immediately, the policy of kicking people out of
the military because they're gay will be out," said Frank.
   Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos did not confirm the
congressmen's comments, but when asked if the ban would be lifted
soon, he said, "I think the president intends to end discrimination
against homosexuals in the military, intends to make an
announcement on that policy ... probably within the next week."
   "There is no discussion, as far as I know, of any kind about
'whether,"' Studds said. "The only discussions that are appropriate
at the moment are 'how."'
   But Studds said he is already worried that Congress could
reverse the president and restore the 50-year-old ban.
   "It's a real challenge to people of good will around the country
to reassure Congress there is no adverse political price to be paid
for doing what virtually everybody knows is the right thing to do,"
Studds said.
   But Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind., already is thinking about ways to
reinstate the ban, his press secretary, Tim Goeglein, said
Thursday.     Goeglein said Coats believes the ban is necessary
because "putting (heterosexual) servicemen and women in close
contact with admitted homosexuals in confined quarters or combat
situations would breach the trust between military personnel so
vital to their ability to do their jobs."

BREMERTON, Wash. (AP) -- The Navy postponed a discharge hearing for
a gay sailor Friday pending expected action by President Clinton to
lift the military's ban on homosexuals.
   Radioman 2nd Class Robert E. Matt, a member of a submarine crew
until he disclosed his sexual orientation last fall, had been
scheduled to appear Friday before a three-member administrative
board at the Bangor Naval Submarine Base west of Seattle.
   "I'm very happy," Matt said after the hearing was postponed.
"People are shaking my hand."
   It made no sense to hold the hearing before Clinton's decision
is released, Bangor spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Scott Wilson said.
   On Thursday, Reps. Barney Frank and Gerry Studds, both
Massachusetts Democrats and both gays who were consulted by the new
administration, said Clinton soon will sign an executive order
formally lifting the ban.
   In the interim, the president will order the military to stop
asking recruits about their sexual orientation or discharging
members of the armed services who are found to be gay, the
congressmen said.     Wilson said even if Clinton lifts the ban,
Matt may be brought before an administrative board on unresolved
misconduct issues. He didn't elaborate.
   Matt formerly served aboard the Trident submarine USS Alabama.
He disclosed his homosexuality in September in an emotional letter
to Rear Adm. Richard A. Riddell, administrative chief of Bangor's
fleet of eight Trident submarines.
   He was transferred from the submarine to base duty, and now
supervises parking lot cleanup crews.
   Matt said he looks forward to a future in the Navy, but is
apprehensive.
   "Will I be blackballed and kept from advancement? That's the
only thing I'm scared of," he said.

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