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From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: What should we call our nation?
Originator: sehari@vincent2.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:21:42 GMT

In <1992Sep25.165454.4527@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:

>Babak Gerami:

>First of all I sometimes have problem including files in my composition
>screens, so please excuse me for not including your file.  

>Thank you for you through explanation.  I understand that Persian has
>come from the the province, Parsa (or today Fars, after Arab conversion
>in 7th century).  It is indeed came from Greek word of Persis (The word
>Persopolis, the city of Persians for instance).  I agree with you that
>Iranian is the land of Aryans is more apropiate for our country name,
>but that was one part of the question.

>The issue that I was trying to get an answer is what about all the terms
>"Persian Carpet", "Persian poetry", "Persian Literature", "Persian
>Architecture", "Persian History", .... .  Can we replace them with
>"Iranian" term.  Do they deeply represent what they are?  Or when
>someone refer to "Persian Poetry" as "Iranian Poetry" does it fit?

>Regards 

One of the evidences about Iran being called Iran goes back more than
1000 years.  Ferdowsi repeatedly refers to Iran as Iran, not Pars or
Fars, He has this poem about Iran, which most people know:

Cho Iran Mabashad Tan man ma bud
                          Ba din Boom-o-Bar Zendeh yak tan ma bud

Also, the treaties that Iran signed with other countries during ages
refers to our country as Iran.  Mashrotyat documents, which has been
written before aforementioned monarch, also refers to the country as
Iran.  Then Zartoshti's holly book "Avesta" refers to our country as
Iran as well.  Their book goes back more than 2000 years in our history.

Moreover, we call Iranian carpet, Iranian history, Iranian architecture
etc... as Farsh-e-Irani, Tarikh-e-Iran, Mamari-e-Iran.  I never heard
the term Farsh-e-farsi!-:) tarikh-e-farsi ! -:) or Mamari-e-farsi !-:)
back in Iran.

I guess, like Germany which is called "Alman" in many countries and
dutchland in germany itself, or like greek which we call Unani, our
country's name might have been called different names in different
countries.  And as result products from that country is called 
correspondingly.  For example, German Car in Iran would be called
Machine-e-Almani etc...

                     With highest regards,
                          Babak   Sehari.

P.S.  Referring to Iran, as Persia is as wrong as referring to United State of 
America, Canada, India  as England!  Or referring to Austria, Switzerland, 
etc as Germany!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8647 soc.culture.german:7027
From: chuck@ztivax.UUCP (Charles Watland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany to commemorate launch of first Nazi rocket despite protests
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:27:39 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.german
Organization: Siemens AG, Munich, W-Germany

lbs@tkmhp2.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski) writes:
> In article <ALTI.92Oct1153627@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk> alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch) writes:
> 
|> >The use of the V2 against was a crime as well, however it was much
|> >less effective (about 2.000 civilians got killed by it). One could
|> 		       ^^^^^ 	
|> >argue that the successful launch of the V2 was a breakthrough in
|> >rocket technology which got used for good and for bad things later. In
|> 
|>  Why don't you count the 20000 slave workers who perished during
|> their work in Peenemuende? 
|> 
|> >Thorsten Altenkirch		LFCS, Edinburgh
|> 
|>  Lech Borkowski
|> lbs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu
One could argue that the first cave man to light a fire 
was partially responsible for the creation of atomic weapons.
But science is not the problem.  Ignorance could be.
Chuck
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Hello again!!!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:56:15 GMT
Summary: Starting over.  Coming back to SCI after a long time is nice indeed
Keywords: Breaking up is hard to do

Ahhhhh....   Looks like I am back again.  It is a wonderful
feeling getting back to SCI.  I missed all of you folks (well
with the exception of a few :-)).

And you all thought you were rid of me forever!!!
Dream on!!

Soheila
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Physics 1A questions, Existence of matter
Organization: Physics
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:09:54 GMT

In article <3XM7RFI@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de> jamsaeff@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (J. Naghizadeh) writes:

salAm jamshid khAn.

[some relevant Physics-1A introduction deleted for brevity]

>Other questions: Does the existence of temperature prove the existence of
>matter, etc.. The answer to this question is quite simple: Physics
>does not concern itself with the existence or non-existence of matter.
>Physics seeks to find relationships between measurable quantities and in so
>doing assumes the existence of matter.  The discussion of existence or non-
>existence of matter belongs to philosophy.

This view seems to be in harmony with Einstein's statement that says "As long
as you are within the realm of science, you will never encounter the question
of 'Thou shalt not lie.'"  I think you wrapped it up for me.  I better take
my questions to Philosophy-1A.  Sorry for bothering physics and its 
scientists.  :-)

>I just wanted to put my two cents in this discussion, however, I think
>it is appropriate to discuss these in other newsgroups as sci.physics, etc.

Thanks!  But you already said the question was outside the realm of physics.
OK, just kidding!  Couldn't help, ostAd.  'bAbA,' I just wanna know how do
we know matter exists, with Physics or without Physics (read 'bA ghAfieh ya
bi ghAfieh).  Is this too much to ask?  :-)

Any takers?

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: euaamt@eua.ericsson.se (Amir Taheri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Hello again!!!
Keywords: Breaking up is hard to do
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:53:30 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden


Ahhhhh....   Looks like she is back again. It is wonderful
feeling getting her back to SCI. She missed all of us folks (well
with exception of a few of us -too bad!!).

And we all thought we got rid of her forever!!!
Lets start dreaming again!!!

Amir.
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:55:03 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University

In article <na+p5!+.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
>Subject: Physics-1A Question
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:53:34 GMT
>After reading few articles about late ostAd Hessabi, I got encouraged to
>ask an elementary physics question.  Although it does not directly have
>anything to do with s.c.iranian, but I thought with our resident physics
>major netters perhaps it could spark a new tread - a scientific one.
>
>Water boils at temperature of 100 degrees C (or 212 degrees F).  Can we
>prove it?  If yes, how?
>
Whenever water boils is called 100 degree C, not the other way around. The 
degree C is an arbitrary selection of unit.
 
>Perhaps I should have asked can we prove the concept of 
temperature as an absolute property of matter?
>
If you look at temperature as an energy (which is), then every thing falls
in its place.
  
>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056
>
You want challenge? Time is two dimentional!!


Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:07:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Oct2.160746.7973
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center

In article <1992Oct2.132604.3224@philabs.philips.com> mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi) writes:
>
>Salam
>
>I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>that of their husbands.
>
>Rooz Khoosh
>
>Mehran
>

They kept their maiden names. Alot of them still do.

-Hossien
From: babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:03:13 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.

In <ld1th7INNqug@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>In article <sehari.718045887@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>
>>American girls are thought to honor and love their husbands.  Whereas,
>>Iranian girls are thought to break their husbands and put a saddle behind
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>their husband's back!  This is one of the most important reasons that many
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Iranian man usually escape from Iranian women.  I believe, this fact
>>even has contributed to more than %40 single rate in Iran.  The problem
>>is that the potential mother-in-laws, while teaching their daughter how to
>>correctly saddle their future husbands, have forgotten to tell their daughters
>>that you should catch a horse first, then you could saddle him.  
>	                 ^^^^^

>and its a darn lucky thing that youre a _cow_ and wont have this worry!

>>Therefore you see these amateur horse trainers approach the Iranian men 
>>with saddle in hand!  -:)
>                       ^
>                       |
>		       |

>i see that after six months the vertical lobotomy scar over your eyes
>*still* hasnt healed.  yeah, i know, leather heals very slowly.  as the
>matador said: try some oil of 'olaaaaaaaay!'

>hooshyar was right on the button to label you bahrol oloom.

>heres another appropriate title:

>	'la vache qui rie'

>oh yeah, it *also* means 'the laughing cow'.


>>                             With highest regards,

>		      With deepest sympathies,

>>                                  Babak   Sehari.
>				
>		      Towsan.

Once "Shash-Khor", always "Shash-Khor".  After all, a pussy-wipe is always
a pussy-wipe.

                        Babak  Sehari.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8580 soc.culture.arabic:4127
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: 30 officers said executed by Saddam last month
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:16:46 GMT
Organization: none



From Japan Times, October 5, 1992
---------------------------------------------------------------

NICOSIA (AP) Saddam Hussein executed a leading Iraqi army general,
a hero of the 1980-88 war with Iran, last month to crush opposition
within the military to his beleaguered regime, diplomats and
travelers from Baghdad said Saturday.
              
Other sources, recently in the Iraqi capital, said 30 more military
officers were shot at about the same time, apparently to head off a
possible military coup.
          
.....
        
Saddam has regularly purged his officer corps to prevent potential
plotters forming power bases. Scores of officers have been reported
executed since Iraq's defeat in last year's [Persian] Gulf War over
Kuwait.
   
---------------------------------------------------------------------
   
   - Farzin Mokhtarian
     farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Subject:  On Iranian Women 
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:58:04 GMT

In article <sehari.718045887@vincent2.iastate.edu> 
sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

>American girls are thought to honor and love their husbands.  Whereas,
>Iranian girls are thought to break their husbands and put a saddle behind
>their husband's back!  This is one of the most important reasons that many
>Iranian man usually escape from Iranian women.  I believe, this fact
>even has contributed to more than %40 single rate in Iran ...

One should be careful about such broad generalizations.  The 40% or
so single rate in Iran is mostly due to the economic situation of the
country which makes the formation of a family for university age
young men and women very difficult. Arguing that this rate is somehow
due to the supposed "domineering" attitude of Iranian women (an attitude
that in my opinion, does not exist), is almost like saying that the
50% divorce rate in the US is because of the "love and honor" American
women give their husbands! :) In other words the argument lacks a solid
premise.  

Regards,

-Payman
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: I am He, the One...
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:33:14 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct1.201507.7313@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>can we have lots of sex?
>
>Oh, and can I still eat spaghetti?

Joke :

Sex = Bad bad ...
Spaghetti = Good good ...


Serious:

In my religion sex is defined to be a religious thing between oppsite sex
with different bloods ( not same family ). It defines the absolute love
that exist between the couple. Not like American who sleep with whoever
that comes along and strays away before the darkness of night has given up to
the rays of sun.
 
No Mr. Peter Cappel, I am not American. You may take your offer to someone
of your own like.

Joke:

watn lots of Sex and money , Be a Ho. 
Be somebody , be a Ho ....

(C) Eddie Murphy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Keywords: Family names of women
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:15:29 GMT


>Once "Shash-Khor", always "Shash-Khor".  After all, a pussy-wipe is always
>a pussy-wipe.
>
>                        Babak  Sehari.

I'd just like to say WOW! at the level of communication presented here.
MarhabA!!!

naghmeh
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Fuzzy Logic again
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:13:04 GMT
	<1992Sep30.205701.24793@walter.bellcore.com>
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep30.205701.24793@walter.bellcore.com> farshid@baum.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Farshid Ketabchi) writes:

 @In article <2m5.h0iiq@lab.ntt.jp>, farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
 @|> 
 @|> 
 @|> I found the following in comp.ai. Some might find it interesting.
 @|> ----------------------------------------------------------------
 @ 
 @[ deleted ..]
 @
 @|> Is it because he is Iranian? Opinions?
 @|>        
 @|>   - Farzin
 @|>             
 @
 @I don't think so.  I bet many of the US scientists who are familiar
 @with his work don't even know (or care to know) if he's Iranian.  I
 @learned something interesting a few years ago when I was at Argonne
 @National Labs: typically among scientist when you're asked "Where are
 @you from?", it is meant "What university you are coming from?"  and
 @not what country you're from.  And that's how it should be.
 @
 @Farshid Ketabchi
 @farshid@inoms.bellcore.com

Perhaps you are right. I suppose I am less optimistic than you
in that regard. You are not going to convince me that strong,
unofficial racism does not exist in the west. But then, perhaps
you also think like me but you are just saying this to make a 
good impression on some people ...
            
It's OK. I understand. After all, if one is going to work for them
and live among them, why create tension? You know, once a few
foreigners and I were having dinner with the director of the lab
were I work. Someone complained that he could not foster enough
debate with the Japanese with whom he worked about his work. The
director replied that the Japanese are not used to disagreement
because historically they have always been interested in promoting
peace and harmony.
   
What is the counter-argument? Simply that one should also try to
promote peace and harmony within oneself.
                                                                           
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Mozhdeh! Mozhdeh!
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:32:09 GMT

In <ld4ac4INN9in@spim.mti.sgi.com> cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com (Mash Cheragh-Ali) writes:

>            .          .          .          .           .
>            ..         ..         ..         ..          ..             
>         o > _o     o > _o     o > _o     o > _o      o > _o 
>            /          /          /          /           /
>   
>SUNNYVALE, California, October 6, 1992 - The Light Group proudly presents
>MicroSoft Windows Release 3.1.  According to MicroSoft, "window 3.1 will 
>make the life of the average PC user much simpler, and it will bring the much 
>needed revenues for Mr. Bill Gates.  In addition, it may also bring fame and
>prosperity for select others."

>To order Windows 3.1, please write to the following address.  Make sure you
>mention to Mr. Gates that you were introduced to the Windows through the
>efforts of the Light Group.  We don't know if that will help you, but it sure
>can help us!

>	c/o Mr. Bill Gate
>	MicroSoft
>	Seatle, Washington

>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>         | |
>         | |
>        ( ! )
>         \ /
>         ___
>        |   |--0
>        |___|
>         ! !    (c) Copyright 1992 - Mash Cheragh-Ali
>         ! !
>         / \        cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com
>        ~~~~~
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Man, what were you doing during last year?! Windows 3.1 introduced
long time ago, and I am writing under the control of windows 3.1
right now.  But get this, windows 3.2 (NT) is coming out.  It is
32 bits operating system, with many features of X11 windows. Also,
you do not need DOS anymore to run windows 3.2 NT. 

                         With highest regards,
                              Babak   Sehari.






-- 
        "Giving power and money to the governments is like giving 
         whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."  
		                                  - P.J. O'Rourke

-- 
        "Giving power and money to the governments is like giving 
         whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."  
		                                  - P.J. O'Rourke
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:22:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Oct4.223616.19578@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>In article <BvL5KH.Irr@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
Howdi HooshyAr AghA,

>>>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'
>>
>Fine, then first tell me how do you DEFINE matter? (and no, I don't
>>know what you mean! :-)
>
>I lost you!  Do we need to define it before we can know it?  I myself

Well you are the one who talks about it, so you should have
a definition for matter in your mind!

>don't know how to define matter.  I just want to know now that - with your
>blessing above - the properties of matter are not the reason why we humans
>believe matter exists, then how do we know it exists.

See, the definition is important here: if you say matter is what our
senses can detect, then it exists by definition since we can sense it.
Now if you don't like that and have another definition for it, please
tell us.

>To me the properties of matter were like pointers.
>
>You see I lost my pointers to matter when we concluded that these properties
>are not the reason.  I am trying to look for _something_ else to show me

well you could say the very reason why pointers exist is the existence 
of the variables to which they point, obviously!!

>bebinam, nakoneh existence of matter ought to be viewed as that of God!  That
>is, we just believe it, then by defining its attributes and applying them in
>our lives we will establish that it exists.
>Please, I am only raising this as a similarity.  This is NOT a statement.

Before you define matter, we cannot talk about the above

>>One possible proof along the line of Descartes' would go as follows:
>>"I think, therefore matter exists" 
>
>But, you just said it all.  Descartes statement seems to agree with what I
>said just one line earlier.  "I think, therefore, God exists."

You know that he says "I think therefore I am"!

>It seems to me if I did not think, matter wouldn't exist.  The existence of
>matter is _within_ me.  So if humans did not exist, there wouldn't be a
>matter.  As a matter of fact there wouldn't be a discussion of matter.

True, matter exists only for those who can "detect" or "observe" it; 
otherwise the existence or non-existence of it would be meaningless.

>Could matter be just an 'image in us' as much as was suggested here at one
>time that God was an image we had drawn in our minds?

I think so; I think what we are perceiving in this universe could be 
only a "representation" of our real being.

>PS.  I hope it is understood that this is still a sci-general-purpose line
>of discussion, and that it is not between me and K1.

And finally, I am glad that Mahin finally spoke out and you won your
chelowkabAb at Meykadeh. Ey siAsatmadAr! All this time mA ro film
kardeh boodi hA?! All thesee physics 1-A titles were for that too?!
Weren't you educated by ingilis-hA? :-)

Regards,
K1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Sabr kon ey HooshyAr!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:24:57 GMT

In article <b=!pthj.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

[Usual dari vari and seek of revenge by our Bahai fellow (who believes in Islam
of course, but just doesn't understand that Allah(j) and the God of Jews,
Christians, ... is the same) deleted]

hooshyAr jAn, you *are* on my list, but it's not your turn yet. Please wait.
tek-tek-e sA'at cheh gooyad gooshdAr?
gooyadat sabr bekon ey hooshyAr.
If your watch doesn't work properly, then ... seiko bekhar ey hooshyAr.

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Iran in the Para-Olympics
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:36:55 GMT

farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>What was Iran's highlight in the Para-Olympics? Does anyone know?

Gold medal in Volleyball. In doing so, they beat the US team in
straight sets: 15-0 15-0 15-0.

> - Farzin

    --mack

--
You never give your heart to a stranger, or tell your secrets to a friend.
You'll put your heart in mortal danger.  They all desert you in the end.
The more you live, the more you love ...         --A Flock of Seagulls
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Perception of righteousness!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.185625.25055@ryn.mro4.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep29.210146.23447@src.umd.edu>, manizh@src.umd.edu (Reza 
>Shahidi) in reply to K1 you write:
>
>An all pass filter is no filter. The ascendancy of human mind over
>animal is the ability to judge. Judgment requires to filter out or
>distinguish between the sensory data we accumulate in order to make
>a solid decision. If we are to give up this ability in the name of
>achieving free-mindedness, then we become free-minded in the absolute
>sense of the term (i.e. A cow is, in my opinion, the essence of such
>free-mindedness.)

Lotfan hendooneh zire baghale Babak khAn nazArid.

Babak where are you? Long time no hear!
Sorry I couldn't help it  :-)

>Kamran Hakim

K1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian