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From: warkenti@CAE.Mitel.Com (BJ Warkentin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Long! To jump or not that is the question...
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:10:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: MITEL, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: klf@druwa.ATT.COM's message of 13 Apr 92 17:36:06 GMT

FranklinKL writes:

   [stuff deleted]
   Yes Jim, you do remember your basic electricity correctly.  For a given
   voltage, current varies in inverse proportion to resistance.  Consider that
   both motorcycle and car batteries source 12.6 volts.  Also consider that
   the starting circuit resistance of any given motorcycle is a constant.
   For ANY 12.6 volt source, the current in that starting circuit will be the 
   same, REGARDLESS of the current sourcing capability (ampere-hour rating)
   of the source (assuming that the source is capable of supplying the current).

Yup. But that is not the whole picture. Is your bike does not start
due to battery problems it is not safe to assume that the bike battery
is at 12.6 VOLTS! 12.6 volts is for a health charged battery which is
not where you're at if you are jump starting. Couple this state with a
healty car battery can result in a toasted bike battery in a
surprisingly short period of time. I have also heard of people
"charging" their battery via car battery. Use an appropriately
sized/current limited charge for the job. Rule of thumb is no more
than 10% of the rated current capacity and lower may be better. You
will not hurt the battery by charging it at a lower rate!

   It is certainly true that a car battery is capable of delivering much
   higher currents than a motorcycle battery, but given the constant resistance
   it makes no difference in the current flowing if a bike or a car battery
   is used.  Given that an automobile charging circuit may be capable of
   producing higher voltages than a bike can tolerate (this translates into
   higher currents) it is recommended that when jump starting a bike from a
   car, the car engine not be running.

Right again. Due to old/shitty regulators I have seen (read measured
with a volt meter) voltage in the 14-16 volt range. Definately bad
news with discharged bike battery. I have also heard of fried
electrical systems after jumping (perhaps due to high current rates
due to dead battery) but have never experienced this first hand. I
have help cleanup/fix bikes and cars after the batteries have
burst/cracked/exploded and it ain't pretty.

   And now a plea.  This issue has almost achieved FAQ status on the net.
   Regardless of that, if someone genuinely doesn't know the answer, and asks
   this question, they deserve the consideration of a thoughtful, useful
   answer, based on some knowledge of the subject.  Please, let's not answer
   questions or offer advice if we don't have anything to contribute.

Hope this means the "contributetiveness" test... :-)

BJ...warkenti@CAE.Mitel.Com    |   XJ650K and DoD#0255
Kanata, Ontario, Canada        |   I want a new toy...
I really didn't mean it quite that way, or did I :->
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi (FSE) <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:09:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

shz@garage.att.com (Seth Zirin) writes:
>In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
>> Exactly what is "shaft 
>> effect" and how can I feel for it?
>
>You won't feel the "shaft effect" until you try and sell your cycle.  Its
>a fairly complex phenomenon but I'll try to summarize it for you.
>
>It is the feeling you get when you try to sell your imported motorcycle
>and you find it is only worth a mere fraction of its original purchase
>price just 1 or 2 years later.  The root of the problem (or I should say
>the reason you get rooted) is that some manufacturers come out with
>trendy new models each year and few are willing to buy a has-been with
>last year's paint on the plastic.

Ahh Kiss Off, Seth. I paid $6400 for my 1985 K100RS (that's a BMW, you
illiterate boob). 32k miles later, I see similar bikes in similar
condition selling for between $4000 and $4500.

>The best way to cope with the effect is to grab your ankles and grit
>your teeth.  The pain lasts only until you can save up and buy back in
>for next year.

Of course, if you ride a Harley, you get the pain without bending over.

:-}
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
                     I own two bikes, brand unimportant.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: ADVICE ON HONDA 450 (1972
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 18:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.025345.13270@mindcraft.com> karish@mindcraft.com (Chuck Karish) writes:
Someone wrote:

>>>How about the centrifical (sp?) separator it used to "spin" dirt out of
>>>the oil instead of using an oil filter?  
>
>Hardly unique.  All Honda Dreams and similar bikes (Super
>Hawks, 250 Scramblers, etc.) had the centrifugal crud
>separators.  The competition had strainers (wire mesh with
>~1mm openings) in their oil tanks, and that was all.

And the centrifugal filter works reasonably well, thank you.

>>How tricky is it (read: can I trust most motocycle mechanics) to 
>>clean and sync (if applicable) the carbs?  Mine seems to be dirty, as
>>it won't idle.
>
>It's easy.  Easy enough for a novice with a manual to do it
>correctly the first time.  A reasonably patient
>professional mechanic could do it, too.

I don't know about the latter....

The synch procedure in the manuals I've seen all simply set
the two throttles to open at the same time.  So you adjust the throttle
cable, set the minimum required free play, and eyeball it.  I don't
think they even mentioned a feeler guage...  As long as you have the
proper sized wrenches, and read the manual procedure once or twice
before you start, it should take well under an hour the first time,
and considerably less after that.  But as long as you have the side covers
apart, you may as well do a few other things....



-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: engine slugishness
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:53:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.143704.26116@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
(james.j.dutton) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.050425.12214@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umfehr06@ccu.umanitoba.ca 
(John Fehr) writes:
>>Why is it that bikes (or maybe all vehicles) are more sluggish when its cold
>>outside?  (Even when the engine isn't?)

Because the fuel isn't vaporized as completely, causing the
fuel/air mixture to burn less efficiently.

>My ZX-10 seem's to run better, the colder. Go figure.

Your ZX-10 is jetted too rich.
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	Chuck Karish		karish@mindcraft.com
	(415) 323-9000		karish@forel.stanford.edu
From: rpb0804@zeus.tamu.edu (BATES, ROBERT PATRICK)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Hubless bikes...
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:36:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Well, I don't remember exactly how it worked, but a few years ago a fella by 
the name of Sbarro (of automotive fame - BLECH!) came out with both a hubless 
bike and cage.  I was under the impression that the axles rode on the bottom of 
the rim, and were somehow locked onto the rim to prevent the bike from losing 
its wheels.  If this was the case, it would mean that the loading on the wheel 
would be much lower, resulting in what I would think would be better handling.

However, I could be completely wrong.  If there is anyone that REALLY wants to 
know more about it, I might dig up my old cager mags and find the article...

Later,
Rob.

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Robert Bates                        Disclaimer:
rpb0804@zeus.tamu.edu                   "I make no claims..."
Texas A & M University
Yamaha YSR 50 - "It's not the size that counts..."
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From: hur@sppy00.UUCP (Matt Hur)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Shop manual for FJ1200?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:37:02 GMT
Reply-To: hur@sppy00.UUCP (Matt Hur)
Organization: Online Computer Library Center, Dublin, Ohio.

In article <1992Apr4.001509.26235@mprgate.mpr.ca> parker@mprgate.mpr.ca (Ross Parker) writes:
> ...
>Do any of the FJers out there have aftermarket manuals? Am I faced with
>paying the megabucks for the factory Yamaha manual?
            ^^^^^^^^^
The shop manual is about 10-15 dollars more than a Clymer would be.
>
>Ross Parker           |                            |
>MPR Teltech Ltd.      | You can't erase the dream, | DoD# 1188
>parker@mprgate.mpr.ca | You can only wake me up... | '88 FJ1200, '80 BMW R100T

Matt

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From: rjc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (robert.cook)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Red River Run?
Keywords: Going?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:45:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Anybody doing the Red River Run the weekend of May 23rd. About 4 Harleys and
several off-brands :+) joining up for the ride & weekend.  Any interested
parties out there?

Also, doing Sturgis later in the Summer as well as other rides.  Interested
drop me a line and I'll put U on THE maleing list. :-)

Robert


---------------------------------M Y  L I F E  --------------------------------

72' Sportster - MODIFIED, customized, used & abused.  But she's a good ride. :-)

Robert J. Cook - Field Engineer 		AT&T Technical Support Center
749 So. Robb Way				8300 E. Maplewood Ave, 200N
Lakewood, CO 80226				Englewood, CO 80111

Home: 303/980-5182				(800)548-8861 X6089
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Subject: Re: Warning re. shoe-laces...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:37:15 GMT

<SULDAL@ESOC.BITNET> says:
>Rider wearing tennis-shoes cruising along happily, until intersection
>with red stop signal is encountered.

Sounds like what I did at Laconia in '83.... cruising along on my 
Honda Interceptor, in a pack of straight-pipe Harleys. Looking very
out of place. Come up to a red light, right in the centre of the pack.
Realize that the laces on my high-tops are looped around the shift
lever.....

Me: "Get off the bike, VERY CAREFULLY"
SO: "Why?"
Me: "Just do it. Now. CAREFULLY. Don't tip the bike."

So, she slides off the seat, as the light turns green, and the pack of
Harleys roars away, most likely swearing about my intellectual capacity.
Once my girlfriend undoes my laces and gets back on, we managed to make the
now-orange light, and continue. When we got to Hart's, I double-tied my
laces in nice, small, loops. Shortly thereafter I bought some real bike
boots.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                  Silicon Graphics Advanced Systems Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:45:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Apr16.181140.1081@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dgibb@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Don Gibb) writes:
>In article <9481@wrgate.wr.tek.com> davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>
>>How about Rulebook-Burners?  The top three finishers in the AMA
>>Twinsports (Harley 883's) were all disqualified after teardown
>>inspection at Daytona!
>
>Ummmmm, what was the reason for the disqualification?

     cheating.

    :->

--
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs         me: (415) 599-4876  me at them: (415) 688-9400  
dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting technical writing firm) 
AMA/CCS #5, Lightweight Supersport, Superbike, Grand Prix Champion
mail:  race-request@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM to join motorcycle roadracing list
From: edh@wheeler.unr.edu (Ed Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:13:38 GMT
Reply-To: edh@wheeler.unr.edu (Ed Hackett)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <1992Apr13.213707.27801@ncsu.edu> steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
[explanation of why longer shaft is better deleted]

>For a given motorcycle, this effect is related
>directly to shaft length.  Obviously, for most users, the longer the shaft,
>the better the ride. ;-)

Yes, that is right, longer is better.  I seem to recall some bit of
technical info on the BMW Paralever system that states that the
geometry is such that the effective shaft length is about 14 feet.

Given that bit of info, I hereby declare myself KotLS (Longest
Shaft).  Line up gals, I'll take you for a ride. (On the BMW...
sheesh, get your minds out of the gutter!) :-)

 Ed Hackett                  The Desert Research Institute 
 edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu     Reno, Nevada   (702) 673-7380   
 DoD #200 WMTC BMWRA DIOC    I'm not really a chemist, I'm just one of
 DUCATI 900SS  BMW K100RS    them motorsicle sonsabitches.   __=o&o>__
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The DoD crowd
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker)
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:33:51 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Apr6.160003.22656@bwdls61.bnr.ca> space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:

>>I start getting my sense of well-being and sexual stimulation here too, I'll  
>>never have to take my fingers off the keyboard. How about a DoD project to  
>>provide meals and showers?
>
>Sexual stimulation with a computer; interesting thought...

its here and its called "dildonics!"  i kid you not.  

-- 
- bob pasker
  halfdome!bob@cs.sfsu.edu | rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu | rbp@well.sf.ca.us
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CB750F pipes
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:48:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.motorcycles, John Robert Nadzam <jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> appreciated. And any good stories from other CB750 riders would be
> greatly appreciated (except for possible J. Deeny)
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did I tell you about the time I entered the Anaheim Supercross on my CB750
and beat Rick Johnson?  He was having a bad day. 

I don't know that different pipes are going to help your midrange.
This is mostly a function of the cam and cam timing.  My pipes are stock,
and hanging on a rafter in my garage.  I currently need to heli-coil 
the valve cover attachement threads before I put the engine back in.  Be
careful with those bolts!  Once the shoulder bottoms against the cam
bearing housing, stop turning immediately.  

-Jeff Deeney-           DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600(Shamu)
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com    AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F(Box bike)
We don't stop riding because we careen through a llama ranch and burst into
flames, we stop riding because the damn engine's torn apart and sitting on
the bench in the garage.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: "SHAFT EFFECT?"
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> >Short shafts are batter than long shafts, and BMW has a suspension
-> on some >models (K1 and R100GS ? maybe) that eliminates shaft effect.

 You mean all those porno books were WRONG?
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What's a poker run?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:57:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttidca.34402
Organization: Acme Flamethrowers

In article <ku6muaINN7ft@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (Ninja Squirrel Master) writes:
+
+    Since I got my R100GS I've been heavily motivated to ride a lot.
+    (I'm also motivated to get a Corbin seat...)
+
+    Anyhow, a lot of the events I see happening feature a poker run.
+    I'm not one of these point-gathering types of riders, but a poker
+    run sounds interesting.  So, what is it?  If I'm going to do one
+    on May 3rd in Felton I'd like to know things like, what it is,
+    how long do they run, etc.

I've been on several and a checkpoint on one, so maybe I can help.
(Unless they do poker runs different in your neck of the woods).

You go to the start and pay a small amount of money to enter.
Start times are generally a band of times (like 2 hours) that
you can get start.  At the start, you are given a route sheet.
You also draw your first card.  Drawing a card could either be
picking a card out of a bag or spinning a spinner with cards
values (2D, 3S, etc) around the perimeter.  This is entered
on your score sheet.

Now you follow the route sheet at your own pace.  You may chose
to go it alone, with a group of people that you know, or wait for
others to arrive & leave with them.  A great way to make friends.

The route sheet takes you on a scenic ride.  Here, it is typically 
100 miles in length.  You will encounter 3 checkpoints on the route.
You draw a card at each checkpoint.  Sometimes a checkpoint is at
a refreshment stand or lunch stop.

The end of the route, you draw your final card.  Some poker runs
have prizes for the best hand(s), some for the best and worst.
Some poker runs allow you to draw a 6th card for an extra $1.
You do this if you think that you have a chance at a prize. (then
you pick the best 5/6 cards to represent your hand). Some poker
runs have entertainment or games at the end. If not, I sign in 
late so I won't have to wait a long time at the finish to see
if I won.

You should try it to see if you like it.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Repost : DoD Shirt Initial Offering
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:34:07 GMT

Sorry to waste bandwith for a second posting, but I've gotten enough 
e-mail stating that this original article was never received, but
the second one has.

Hit "n" now if you don't care to continue. Thank you.

*******************************************************************

I've gotten quite many positive responses to my posting for the DoD
Sport shirt project, with the notable exception of a few people who
feels that the project is too "Yuppy" for them. So, to help the rest
of you with the decision, here's is all the details of the project as
I have them.

The shirts are made from 100% combed long-staple, shrink resistent
cotton. The collar seam is taped to prevent the seam from chafing, and
the collar itself is made of a single-lock stitch to prevent it from
curling after repeated washings. It has a two button placket, and the
infamous tennis tails. Machine washable. Made in the USA.

The current colors available are Black, Navy, Red, White, Royal Blue,
Purple, Parchment (light creme), Bright Green (St. Partick Green),
Bright Yellow, and finally, Pink. If there's something else you like,
let me know and I'll check into it.

You can have the sleeve either banded or straight hemmed.

The logo with be embroided as it appears on the patch, with a diameter
of 2 and 1/2 inches, but without the black-fill. This means whatever
color shirt you order will be the background.

Now for the hard part. In order to really make this project worthwhile
for everyone, the minimum amount of orders need to be at least 50
shirts. The ideal order is for 100 shirts, but with the amount of 
e-mail I've received on this project, this might be difficult. So,
with that in mind, I submit the following prices:

	>50		<50		<100

	>$30.00		$27.50		$25.50

Sizes will be : Women's Sm (6-8), M (10-12), L (14-16), and XL (18-20).
Men's S (34-36), M (38-40), L (42-44), and XL (46-48). XXL sizes (50-52) 
add $2.00 to the order (sorry, not my idea).

And yes, kid sizes are available, I think the prices are a little
cheaper by a few dollars. E-mail me for info.

Shipping prices will be $2.90 for two shirts, for two day mail. I'll
try to see if I can squeeze three shirts in for those of you inclined
to do so. If you choose, you can asked for a slower and less expensive
method of mail, though I don't think the saving is worth it, unless of
course you live in Europe.

What I'll do is wait for the orders to come in, and PRAY we can get
enough to go ahead with this project. Otherwise, I'm launching the
ultra-secret "Plan B". (I hope I won't have to). So, between now and
April 25th, orders will be taken. I'm not posting my address because
if we don't get the minimum 50 shirts, I'll take a look at what to do.

If you're interested, please remember, E-MAIL me with the following:
quantity, color, size, and state which sleeve you would like.

Tony Wang

DoD#0122
AMA#450147

twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:39:41 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Apr10.195442.5944@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:
>>Ok, here's a couple:
>>milk-burner
>>beer-burner
>>
>Have you ever *seen* Harleyfolk?  I mean in person?  It should be
>obvious from meeting one that Harleys do not burn beer. :-)
                                              ^^^^^^^^^
How about weed-burner? 
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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|                                 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wheelies
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:40:40 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 19992@src.honeywell.com, mikep@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Mike Polo) writes:
>
>Are there really bikes out there that will actually pull the front end up with
>the clutch engaged and the throttle open?

Practically any modern sportsbike is capable of such, including all of
yours.  Mine usually happen when shifting, but I've picked it up just
accelerating out of corners as well.  A low gear and a heavy throttle
is all it takes.

Such activity is considered by certain anal-retentive jealous assholes
to be "squidly."  :^)

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...