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Subject: Re: Wake Forest 18, Clemson 15
From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:07:01 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <1992Nov2.150728.3297@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
>Wouldn't you know that those morons from Clemson would come out
>and play their best half of football all year against us, and
>then look like fools againts the perrenial whipping post of the
>ACC.  Kudos to you Wake, I think you all have an improving
>football team there, and we were lucky to play you early.  As
>long as you finish ahead of those academically ineligibles from
>Maryland, I will be extremely happy.
>

Academically ineligibles? I guess this must be some form of envy, seeing as
that we have managed to defeat Clemson more than one time. BTW, what is the
series record between the Terps and UVA?

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Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 08:48:06 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
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Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Nov4.112116@trc.amoco.com>, zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Mike) writes:
>Probation happened to OU, pal.  Try cutting your scholarships in half for >several years and see what happens to your team.  It ain't pretty and OU >probably won't be top-flight for a couple more years.
>
So why don't the OU fans understand Gibb's predictament?
Sending a UHaul to his house.  Some support.
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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-7-92)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:46:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Big Ten

>               CONF CONF CONF   CONF   ALL  ALL  ALL     ALL   PF   PA
>               WINS LOSS TIES    PCT   WINS LOSS TIES    PCT
>               ---- ---- ----  -----   ---- ---- ----   ----  ---  ---
>MICHIGAN          6    0    0  1.000      8    0    1   .944  358  105
>OHIO STATE        4    2    0   .667      7    2    0   .778  217  114
>MICHIGAN STATE    4    2    0   .667      4    5    0   .444  193  234

    What if OSU loses to Michigan and MSU loses to Illinois, then MSU will
be guaranteed a 2nd place tie in the Big-10 with an overall losing record!!!
From: zaichunl@cs.tamu.edu (Zaichun Li (Zack))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: More MSU vs. Bama info
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:46:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Nov12.064623.3219
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <dkm2.721492557@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>
>I was digging through my Mississippi State sports information guide and found
>some interesting information out.
>
>The last time Mississippi State was 7-2 at this point in the season was 1980.
>In 1980 , a then ranked #1 Alabama crimson tide went to Jackson Mississippi
>to play state.  State pulled off the upset 6-3 and finished the season 9-3.
>
>The depressing news is that we have beat Alabama once (that time) in 33 years.

The good news is you have Jackie, who *just* wins BIG games. 
So, relax :^)


>We are 0-10 vs. Bama in Starkville.  But I have a feeling that is going to      change Saturday night.
>
>
>David 
>
>GO DOGS!!!

Yeh, GO DOGS!!!
And, Gig 'em!!!

>
>-- 
>               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
>         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
> Mississippi State University |
>          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 


- zack 
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:11:19 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov11.200643.19530@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:

| Well for all you over-footballed, under-educated Miami folks
| out there, I only have two words for you.
| 
| CRIMSON TIDE!
| 
| I think you hear me knocking
| and I think I'm coming in.
| 
| And I'm bringing the Alabama football team, and their
| smashmouth, 3 yards and a cloud of dust style with me, and
| we're gonna see how your overpaid, overconfident, over-rated,
| under-educated football players stand up against them.

Keep Woofing it up....   But don't forget about that other team from Florida,
that could cancel your sugar.  We need Bama undefeated on 12/31, or Jason gets
a hotel in the wrong city.   It sure does hurt pulling for Bama.
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Open Question to Miami fans
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:30:20 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov11.234552.21179@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@brannan.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

| In article <BxKDzK.Gw5@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
| >News-Software: NN 6.4.16
| >
| >
| >It does look like Notre Dame is chicken to play in the Orange Bowl,
| >even if the Hurricanes are out of town.  The OBC leaked a rumor to the
| >local press on Sunday Night that Notre Dame doesn't want to come to the
| >Orange Bowl.   Since the leprechauns always get their way, like last 
| >year in the Sugar look for Notre Dame to go to The Fiesta where they
| >can hand pick the opponent.
| 
| After Miami loses to Syracuse, they'll get their chance to play the
| Irish in the Fiesta Bowl ...                

Let's see how the Leprechauns do this week with Penn State.   But, then
Notre Dames gets a Orange, Cotton, Fiesta or Sugar bowl game, if they lose
to both PSU and USC.  Why do they even keep score, the whole season is 
pre-season for Notre Dame.   Notre Dame a major conference of one team. 

No wonder ND plays for a tie.


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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:30:18 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov13085324@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.145152.13147@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>
>  >|> under Cooper.  You don't fire a guy after his best year.  Granted, he may
>  >|> decide to leave on his own, but I'd say that's a pretty slim possibility
>  >|> right now.  He doesn't strike me as a quitter (USC game a few years ago
>  >|> excepted :-)).
>  >|>
>
>Didn't they fire Earl Bruce after his best year?

(Going on memory) Earl Bruce was fired _DURING_ his worst year at OSU. 
His first year was his best year, when he went 11-1, losing the MNC to USC
in the Rose Bowl.  For a number of years before he got fired, he went 9-3
(He was famous in Col's for his 9-3 record).  Oh, one year I think they
went 10-3.  Anyways, Earl had a terrible last season at OSU, and got fired
before the season was even over.  He went 6-5 that year, but his last game
for the Buckeyes was sweet and emotional.  He beat Michigan and got carried
off the field.  Gives me chill bumps just to think about it... OSU would
have gone to a bowl if they had a coach that year, but they did not.  

>  >|> This leads me to wonder.  How is the mood in Columbus right now regarding
>  >|> Cooper?  Are people still all over his case or are they just waiting with
>  >|> bated breath for the next loss so they can scream bloody murder once more?
>  >|> I'd like to think that if the Buckeyes were able to go 9-3 that people would
>  >|> lay off his case for awhile.
>  >|> 
>  >|> --
>   >I have been one of those you has slammed Ohio State on occasion and I still
>   >feel Ohio State will never reach a consistant level under Coach Cooper,
>   >however this team is playing better and could well be 9-2 going into a
>   >bowl game. If this team gets by Indiana, I feel they will beat Michigan at
>   >home, this team will self motivate itself for the Michigan game and they
>   >defenitly have the talent to beat them. 
>
>The statement "If this team gets by Indiana" and "they defenitly (sic)
>have the talent to beat them." are mutually exclusive.  Michigan
>crushed Indiana.  If you're worried about Indiana, I wouldn't even
>bother hoping to beat Michigan.  That Minne-haha game shouldn't give
>you much confidence either.

Well, at least we didn't let them score a field goal....

>-Alan Harder
> 
>These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!

Pat Lawson
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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: Boilerweenie Alert!!!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.163540.12536@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
--In article <1992Nov5.215906.9094@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
-->than Alabama (numerous thread titles).  A certain Mr. Dave Meeks (clever
-->last name, I must admit) contributed to all of them, generally uspetting a
--
--Oh.. go ahead Cliff, pick on my name...  I could say something about 
--last name's too, but wouldn't want the wraith of the One True Goober (tm)
--cast down upon me :-)
...
--That would be Mr. Boilerweenie to you :-)

Ahh, that would be Mr. One True Goober (tm), if ya don't mind.

And leave Cliff alone.  He's had a bad week, and an even badder day.
I, on the other hand, am rather giddy over my 1-4 week in SWC picks.

- goober (doing good on those english lessons) smith
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Trouble at the UDub
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:47:00 GMT

The Seattle Times is reporting that Husky QB Billy Joe Hobert received
a $50,000 loan from an Idaho businessman last spring.  Don James and    
athletic director Barbara Hedges apparently were informed of the loan 
only yesterday by the Times reporters.  The NCAA says they will not 
pursue this until receiving a report from the UW.  An NCAA spokesman says
the legality of the loan depends on the relationship to the player (BJ 
says he was his golfing buddy and the man apparently has no affiliation
to the university) and the "normality" of the payoff (there are no 
specified payoff in BJ's loan).  National-letter-of-intent contracts say
that no outside loans may be accepted.

GT
From: troch@gandalf.Rutgers.EDU (Rod Troch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: RU assistant coach arrested
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:55:19 GMT
	<1992Nov6.200917.27279@walter.bellcore.com>
Organization: Right Coast HQ For Stupid Pub Tricks
In-reply-to: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com's message of 6 Nov 92 20:09:17 GMT

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Klinge <kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com> writes:


	Kevin> I only thought it was bad when someone arrested is
	Kevin> found to be guilty.  Interesting.  My paper didn't
	Kevin> mention that Jeter had already been put on trial and
	Kevin> convicted.  Hmm, I'll have to check this again...

I agree Kevin, its a shame that people are jumping to conclusions.
Lets hope this doesn't put a damper on the program and RUs spirit.

Go RU!
Rod
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:09:13 EST
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Subject: Re: Miami #1
 <1992Nov12.143659.17738@u.washington.edu><1992Nov12.200918.40770@uvmark.uucp>
 <cf0qhfm00aw6E_v0UW@andrew.cmu.edu>


>In an article <1992Nov12.200918.40770@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp
>(Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>>Based on current standings or course of year schedules???
>>Miami has played #5 FSU, #9 Arizona, and #22 Penn State so far.  They
   Yes, Miami did play No. 22 Penn State - but let's not forget - Miami put
Penn State all the way down to No. 22.  What am I saying.  Miami beat No. 7
Penn State on their homefield.  After Penn State lost this game, the entire
season was a failure.  There was no emotion.  How could there be?  After you
finish No. 3 in one year, the only way to improve is to win the national
championship.  And, once Penn State lost, they didn't care anymore and are now
ranked No. 22 - soon to be knocked out of the poll by Notre Dame (unless being
ranked in the country is a motivator)  If Penn State would've beaten Miami,
they would in all likelihood, be No. 1 or No. 2 in the country going to this
weekend's show down against Notre Dame.  Miami pushed Penn State all the way to
No. 22.  Penn State has no reason to play.  Yes, they gave up and it isn't
right to give up after a loss, but this is what will happen if you can't get a
national championship and are already in a New Year's Day bowl.
    Miami is No. 1 - not just because of that, but for several reasons.
Alabama is a true No. 2 - but they don't compare to Miami yet.  Let Arizona
play Alabama and we'll see how the Tide will turn.  Miami and Arizona are the
two best teams in football - at the moment - not overall.
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From: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: STANFORD/ARIZONA TRASH
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:03:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.14020
Reply-To: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <aelman.721358597@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>
>Again, the only reason that the U$C Band plays with all these artists,
>TV, movies, etc. is because _you're_in_LA_!!!!!  

UCLA's also in LA.

>Again, the Stanford Band's purpose is to entertain -- sometimes, we
>hit, sometimes we miss.  The U$C Band's purpose is to annoy, and they
>almost ALWAYS hit.  If you want that to mean that the U$C Band is
>better, that's fine for you.  Just don't play Conquest again in my
>general direction.
>
>23-9,
>Adam Elman
>aelman@cs.stanford.edu

I think the bay-area college football fans purpose is to annoy.
Sheesh, however annoying the SC band may be during games, you guys
sure make up for it.  How many ways can you arrange 23-9.  9-23,
23  9
 |  |
 9 23.

Win your first game against SC at home in 20 years and you go nuts!! :)

Stan
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:29:57 GMT

In article <BxHL5D.M2C@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Chicane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>In <1992Nov5.175143.2485@b11.b11.ingr.com> mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>
>| In article <Bx7F3G.ox@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Leaky" Fawcett) drips:
>| >News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>| 
>| > Like the #17 it invited last year, that beat the SEC champ.  
>| 
>|     No point commenting on this one.  Your memory is far too short.
>
>Like your memory that Bama was a breath away from beating Miami.
>Only in your dreams.

    Well, as usual the blowhard shifted the focus of the comment by
quoting it out of context.  You had insinuated that the SEC champ
had "gotten the Sugar Bowl to invite ND".  My comment on your memory
appears to have been accurate.  First, the SEC champ had not been
decided when the Fighting Frenchmen were invited to the Sugar. 
Second, your continued memory that the '90 Sugar Bowl was a blowout.
It should have been but it wasn't.  Miami just couldn't pull away. 
Third, I never said that Alabama was a breath away from beating
Miami.  I simply said that they were in it until the closing minutes
(not seconds mind you) of the game.  Perhaps it is because that game
is in *your* nightmares that you can't recall anything about it but
the final score.

>| >  BTW, Miami beat the suds out of the Tide in the 1990 Sugar Bowl.
>| >  Alabama coach Bill Curry stated that Bama " Never had control of the 
>| >  game, and Miami's got to be # 1."  The next morning, the voters of
>| >  the AP/UPI agreed with Curry and made Miami the National Champ.
>| 
>|     Cling to this tightly and don't expect a repeat.  Oh, and have
>| Gino spend a lot of time before the game looking at the field. 
>| He'll see plenty of the Superdome roof during the game.
>
>We both got a few game first.  Watch out for Florida, they are the
>third ranked team (AP/USA) in the state of Florida.  We don't want Bama to fall
>down and get a boo boo.  Then we will be in the Cotton. 

    Well, that is assuming the canes don't get caught looking ahead
to Alabama and slip up against Syracuse.  Then they may *have* to
stay home.

>|    Impressive indeed.  Miami was a ~21-point favorite as well,
>| weren't they?  Margin of victory:  8 points.  Not so impressive.
>
>Stats are for losers.  

    Once again, out of context.  You, or a fellow blowhard, had
posted the stats to the Sugar Bowl game as an indication that it
*was* a Miami blowout.  I replied to that.  Actually, the stats made
Miami look better than they really did and than the final score
indicated.  You might do well to look at them now and again.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
   ***  A hurricane is a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.  ***
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:16:04 GMT

In article <BxHKA7.IrE@encore.com>, jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett) writes:
|> News-Software: NN 6.4.16
|> 
|> Why don't you ask the teams in the SEC why none of them will play 
|> Miami on the normal scheule.

    See my posting titled "Alabama and Miami, setting it straight" for Alabama's
answer to that one.  Bama got tired of beating them.  Ask Miami why they won't
ask Alabama to schedule them again.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
    *** A hurricane is a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.  ***


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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Organization: University of Michigan
	<Ef0qNwK00iV38=T3Vd@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<1992Nov13.155146.2837@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:17:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.155146.2837@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:

   William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

   >But, wait a minute, I don't get this.  After Miami's win over Arizona,
   >every UW fan in the nation was calling Arizona a "creampuff",
   >"overrated", "fluke", "a non-contender", "the weakest PAC-10 team". 
   >Could it now be that UW fans are hyping up Arizona to make their Huskies
   >look good?

   >I don't know.  You tell me.

   OK, I will. First of all, not every UW fan was calling Arizona a "creampuff"
   team. Anyone who knows the Pac-10 knew Arizona was good. I don't think

I don't believe this is true.  Most of the preseason rags had Arizona either
at the middle of the back, or just below the middle, with an emphasis that
they had great *potential* but little proven and some serious question marks.
For a top 5 team that spells creampuff.  Now the potential has been fulfilled
and the questions answered, so we know that they are solid.  But I don't
think anybody comming into the season, including the pac 10 folx, thought
they would be any where near as tough as they have been.

Bill
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From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: WE WANT MIAMI!!
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:57:56 GMT

Allright!! Nebraska has shown it is once again a legitimate top 5 team. And
with Smokin' Tommie Frazier at QB, the Husker offense has become a truly
irresistable force. The Blackshirts have turned up their game a few notches to
become a dominant defense. THE HUSKER'S ARE BACK!! :-) :-) :-)

So I'm rooting for Bama and A&M to get upset so we can play Miami again and
see in a reversal of the 1983 OB game. I now believe we can beat Miami in
Miami. Anyway, I'd like to have the chance to prove it. C'mon Florida and
Texas, help us out! :-)

To Bama and A&M fans: its nothing personal, you're just in our way right now.
:-) :-) :-)

--
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University of Nebraska at Omaha		AOL:		skipb
My Disclaimer: Any opinion I may have stated was purely unintentional!
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From: todd@hector.uucp (24102-todd)
Subject: Re: PENN STATE'S POOR OUTING
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:02:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.062929.20392@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>In article <92310.225426KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <kex1KcO00iV3Q1azoY@andrew.cmu.edu>, wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott
>>Gregory) says:
>>
>>>    Not to flame anyone or any team, but can someone explain to me how a
>>>team that has been performing like Penn State is still ranked as high as
>>>it is?
>>
>>Oh, c'mon.  If Notre Dame were having this kind of season, they'd still be
>>in the Top Ten...
>>
>>------------
>>Kurt Ludwick
>>------------
>
>Doubt it, big guy. If Notre Dame ever had 3 losses this soon (3 games
>remaining) they'd be dropped like a rock.  (Remember Gerry Faust?)
>Too many people out there love to kick ND when their down.
> 
>But that doesn't mean they wouldn't deserve a bowl bid.  ;^)
>
>Now maybe after crushing a top ten team in the Sugar bowl, they'd
>move up a bit ...
>

Quite frankly, I think it has more to do with the poll
participants not wanting to admit they're wrong than with
anything else.  If you
watch ANY team, not just Penn State, and how they move up
and down in the polls, if they started low or not in the
Top 25, it takes a VERY long time for them to build some
respect in the polls.  If they started very high, it also takes a VERY
long time for poll participants to admit they're not as
good as they thought they were.  I've seen this happen to
Penn State both ways.  But look at your own favorite
school's records in the standings.  I'll bet there's a
similar poll phenomenon.  Let's not forget that the polls
are primarily a popularity contest.  Carolyn Todd


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