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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 13:07:00 CST
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
 <BxuF2J.9qw@ns1.nodak.edu>,<1992Nov17.170122.14705@serval.net.wsu.edu>
 <1992Nov18.000114.9972@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>

In article <1992Nov18.000114.9972@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, flindholm@mta.ca
says:
>
>In article <1992Nov17.170122.14705@serval.net.wsu.edu>,
>hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel) writes:
>>The one main reason why you don't hear much about real vampires...
>>
>>The vampire's biggest secret is that nobody truly believes in them.
>>
>>Hans
>
>  The problem with vampyres is the same one we have with all mysteries.
>They're impossible to prove or disprove. However, if they do exist they're
>days are numbered. Living in the information age makes life very difficult
>for people who don't die. The only thing I can see them doing is living
>in the third world. Life would be good there. Corrupt police, bad records
>and no one would question someone disappearing during the night.
>        Cyrus
>
Who's to say that a clever vampire can't learn to use a computer to his
advantage?  After all, all it takes to learn the use of a computer
is training, and vampires have, if anything, plenty of time on their
hands.

And besides, thousands of people disappear within the United States, and
yet, there aren't intensive searches for them.  Perhaps someone is
hiding something.  Perhaps someone who spends a lot of time on this
list...

Doug.

"And once I rip her pulsing throat from her body, I shall drink of her
like the finest wine."
"Well, since you're looking for a drink, here..."
"Hey, put that hose down.  Put it down before I rip..."
The garden hose sputtered, a fan of water slashing Aramis to ribbons as
Shannon looked on, horrified.  I shut off the hose, walking up to her.
"Well, so much for asking you if you'd wanna install a whirlpool in our
apartment..."
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Launcelot Gobbo=)
Subject: Re: Don't Worry, no one is moving alt.vampyres
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:21:52 GMT



This guy who threatened to regroup to alt.horror.vampyres said

"I have received alot of negative responce and I wont be regrouping
alt.vampyres"

So don't worry, about it. 


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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: bchapman@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Bruce Patrick Chapman)
Subject: Re: vampyres/and/sex
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:56:04 GMT

In article <By2ytM.9q2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng) writes:
>but it is a ploy, and the story is very interesting. It is called
>"Unicorn Tapestry" by Suzy McKee Charnas. It can be found in _The Penguin
>Book of Vampire Storyes." edited by Alan Ryan.

the book is actually called the vapire tapestries, and is a full length novel.

on the subject of vampires and sex, from a purely physical standpoint, unless
the vampire has fed recently, it is unlikely that (in the case of a male) the
'mechanisms' would be functional - women, as many do while alive, have a much
_easier_ time appearing to be sexually functional.
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From: shipley@peyote.tfs.com (Peter Shipley)
Subject: Re: Impressions of the REAL thing...
Organization: Processed People for a Processed America
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:37:09 GMT



>Ugh.  I could go on all night, but I have work to do.

I would not mind reading more infomation along these lines.


	

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror
From: dfw@thumper..bellcore.com (Doris Woods)
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Reply-To: dfw@thumper.UUCP (Doris Woods)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:03:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.193048.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>	1) Anthony Hopkins.  I LOVE this man.  I've seen almost everything he's
>done (I even sat through "Magic"), and I think he's a fantastic actor.  But Van
>Helsing as COMIC RELIEF?????  IMHO, as much as I hate Christopher Lee, he's the
>only person I've seen who's done a really good portrayal of Stoker's V.H. 
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Stoker's V.H. was SCARY.  He wasn't running around saying things like "She's
>the devil's CONCUBINE.  Let's get something to eat, I'm hungry."  Hopkins did
> 

  1 Question, which movie did Christopher Lee play Van Helsing in. 
My father is a diehard Christopher Lee fan so when I was growing up 
I ended up watching every Dracula he ever made. (Or at least I thought
I did until now) I thought it was Peter Cushing that was Van Helsing
to Christopher Lee's Dracula.  Hmmmmm Was he V.H. in Frank Langella's
movie. If so I better go watch it again it's been so long I don't
even remember anymore. 

 Thanks
   Doris
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Lestat Movie
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:14:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

i seriously doubt it. according to an interview promoting the new book,
AR has written several screenplays taht went nowhere and she's given up on
the project completely

ieya

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From: seto@ll.mit.edu (Seton Seto)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:26:19 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <flar.722056661@vincent2.iastate.edu>, flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
|> Thanks, I really enjoied your little or big, attack of ffc, Dracula, and
|> agreed with every word you said!!!  It was one of the worse movies I
|> have ever seen.........excluding ISHTAR
			  and excluding HARDWARE.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:06:19 EST
From: Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: A Vampire's teeth

Greetings...
     The question is: What is the nature of vampire fangs (hollow or normal)?
     Personal belief: Normal (and non-retractable too - they just stay there
                      all the time.). The fangs puncture, are withdrawn, and
                      the vamp sucks at the wound (this is one of the few
                      things that I actually _liked_ about _INNOCENT_BLOOD_ -
                      I liked the no-fangs-just-rip-their-throats-out approach
                      to feeding - Very brutal...
     Take Care, All...
                      - Jonathan
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From:  Steve Meyer
Subject: Is Philip Seville's 1978 _Count Dracula_ on videotape?
Followup-To: alt.vampyres
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:16:39 GMT

Does anyone know of this production of Dracula is available on VHS?  It was
directed by Philip Seville, and starred Louis Jourdan as Count Dracula and
Frank Finlay as Van Helsing.  It may have been a BBC production (one
reference 
says "TVM," whatever that means).  It was broadcast in 1978 or '79 in three
one hour segments on PBSS' GREAAT PERFORMANCES.  Every once in a while it
gets rebroadcast on PBS.

If anyone has any information on this production, please email me at
meyer.3@nd.edu
If there is enough interest, I'll post any results I get.

Steve Meyer
University of Notre Dame
meyer.3@nd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: hbechtel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (H. E. Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Other vampires?
Keywords: Saint-Germain
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:01:22 GMT

The one main reason why you don't hear much about real vampires...

The vampire's biggest secret is that nobody truly believes in them.

Hans

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From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Dracula Soundtrack?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:49:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
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In a previous article, JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu (Jon Leistiko) says:

>Greetings...
>     Request: When is the FFC Dracula soundtrack being released / Needed
>              for creepy role-playing atmosphere.
>     I strongly suggest the soundtrack to Full_Metal_Jacket and A_Passage_
>  In_Time by Dead Can Dance... Check (I think this is correct) alt.gothic
>  for many, many, many more suggestions.
>     Take Care,
>              - Jonathan
>

Don't worry, with a movie this BIG there will almost certainly be a soundtrack.
Usually, it will be anywhere from two weeks to a month after the movie is
released before the soundtrack comes out.  (As I found out with Alien3)

As for "gothic" music, I would add any Dead Can Dance album to the list,
The Cranes, World Of Skin, Death In June, "Heresy" by Lustmord, Voice of Eye,
Lab Report, "Tinderbox" by Siouxsie & The Banshees, Current 93, and perhaps
Test Dept.

And in regards to movie soundtracks try Angel Heart, The Thing, The Shining,
and a strong recommendation for Jacob's Ladder.  (Absolutely beautiful)

Chuck...
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: mhickey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (No One)
Subject: Fred Saberhagen's Dracula
Summary: Fred Saberhagen's Dracula
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:09:43 GMT
Keywords: Fred Saberhagen's Dracula

A couple of years ago, I happened upon a book intitled _Dominion_
by Fred Saberhagen.  At the time I was desparate for reading material,
so I went ahead and bought the book.  (It had cool cover art too)
As it turns out the book is a horror/thriller in which Count Dracula
makes a few appearances.  The Dracula character wasn't a killer or
some kind of monster.  Quite the opposite.  He was written as a little
understood hero.  Needless to say, I was shocked.  This wasn't what I 
expected at all.  I have read the book several times, and the Dracula
character in it has turned out to be one of my favorite characters I
have ever read about.

Today, I was in a book store and what do you suppose I find?  A rather
large collection of Fred Saberhagen's books, all about his version of
Dracula.  I bought one of them intitled, _The Dracula Tape_.  This
book is BETTER that _Dominion_, in that it centers around Vlad.  It is
Vlad's story of what 'really' happened in the Bram Stoker book.  Keep
in mind that in Saberhagen's stories, Vald is not a villan.  Granted,
I don't have the book finished yet, but I wanted to post this and see
if anyone else is interested in a different view of Dracula.

Tragically, misunderstood hero    vs.   Villanous fiend



No One Of Importance

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Join our Clan
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:30:35 GMT

-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Chelseq Quinn Yarbro - Roman novel
Date: 15 Nov 1992 15:09:55 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <christ.721808955@crash.cts.com> christ@crash.cts.com (Chris 
Trichel) writes:

+..... I can't say anything about the heated floors other
+than it's entirely possible for it to have existed then...
+i mean look at the chinese and their years of having 
+inventions before the same inventions occured elsewhere
+(interesting fact: the chinese invented the water clock before
+any other culture but dismissed it as a novelty)

The Romans did indeed have heated floors, they worked by having a cavity
beneath the floor. Somewhere in the cellar of the house there would be a
furnace (stoked by slaves) which generated hot air that then was allowed
to circulate through these spaces, and thus heat the house.

Graeme Sutherland.
From: watanabe@orion.oac.uci.edu (dicanoxes)
Subject: Lestat Movie
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:37:22 GMT

okay here is what my room mate read out of an article in the LA Times

the Lestat movie has gone through a shitload of scripts
over the past _15_ years
maybe more

they are trying to get it out, but who know when it will happen

i think a vampire craze might get it going though

--
Stub
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: vampyres/and/sex
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:15:20 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Launcelot Gobbo=) writes:
>         I don't think vampyres are very capable of having sexual
>intercourse in the same manner as humans, at least not for the
>same reasons, they are merely capable of performing the act, and
>using it as a tool in the seduction of foolish, or maybe willing,
>humans.


>That is all.

In regard to the above, I read an interesting story about a vampire
who goes to see a psychologist. He tells her he thinks he is a vampire,
but it is a ploy, and the story is very interesting. It is called
"Unicorn Tapestry" by Suzy McKee Charnas. It can be found in _The Penguin
Book of Vampire Storyes." edited by Alan Ryan.

Tracey
UIUC
From: christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Mainstream Vampire Music
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:30:22 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <nudnik.721982145@camelot> nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks) writes:

>                          -.                       .-                          
>                      _..-'(                       )`-.._                      
>                   ./'. '||\\.       (\_/)       .//||` .`\.                   
>                ./'.|'.'||||\\|..    ). .(     ..|//||||`.`|.`\.               
>             ./'..|'.|| |||||\`````` '`"'` ''''''/||||| ||.`|..`\.             
>           ./'.||'.|||| ||||||||||||.     .|||||||||||| ||||.`||.`\.           
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>         '.|||'.||||||| ||||||||||||{     }|||||||||||| |||||||.`|||.`         
>        '.||| ||||||||| |/'   ``\||``     ''||/''   `\| ||||||||| |||.`        
>        |/' \./'     `\./         \!|\   /|!/         \./'     `\./ `\|        
>        V    V         V          }' `\ /' `{          V         V    V        


Hey! good job.. that looks pretty bitchin'!!!
-Chris
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Vampires-evil?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:58:23 GMT

Put on your asbestos diapers kids, it's MAJOR flame-time...

In article <92320.152014JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> Jon Leistiko <JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Greetings...
Bite me.
>
>     (2) There is no mandate that feeding creates ecstacy - that is a
>         "modern" convention... Which brings me to this - I'm getting a
>         little rabid because... well, let me just say that RPG's (role
>         playing games) are not the end-all and be-all of mythology...
>         There are sources of data which existed _before_ 1970 and were
>         not created for the express purpose of making a buck.
What then, O mighty poo-bah, _is_ the end all and be-all of vampire mythos?
The major innovation of WW and Anne Rice is, for the first time, look globally,
at FOLKlore as a cross-cultural medium, and try to put it all together.
WHY do most socieities (I know of but one that specifically does not) have 
legends of a creature similar to a vampire.  The vampire, as seen by Romans,
was something akin to the Christian notion of succubus, ie it took blood, but 
gave you bliss in return.  Also, it did not kill.  Eack of these FOLKlore 
elements were created for a specific purpose, NONE of which were entirely 
altruistic.  The only reason you can fall on the Make a Buck arguement is that
only in the past 200 years has the middle class possessed enough disposable 
income to encourage writers to make a living on what had been done for 
cheap thrills.  This "cheap thrill" could have been on _some_ medium of 
exchange similar to the one we have now, just no currency.  The speculation
of WW is a phenomenological one, speculating that vampires, because they 
ARE such spiritual creatures, tend to think and organize themselves in 
symbolic terms (thirteen tribes of Israel = 13 clans of Camarilla).  One day
much of what Rice and WW establish WILL be folklore, the folklore of OUR 
time, just as Amos and Andy formed much of the folklore of my father's 
generation (yeah, he's old).  There is no such entity as FAKElore, since 
ALL work is done for a reason, wherther to please an audience, or the 
pleading of the almighty dollar.  Whatever a society hears thinks fells 
makes an impression on the folklore of that time.  This is simply ONE 
example.  BS' Dracula, with Dracula walking out in the sunlight in the 
movie will add another, and so forth.  Any more musings on fakelore will
make you look a bigger idiot than you are now. 

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man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
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man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair)
Subject: Re: How to watch FCC's Dracula!
Reply-To: lecl@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:18:47 GMT

In article <Bxxv0r.Any@news.cso.uiuc.edu> el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent) writes:
>

(stuff deleted about how to enjoy Coppola's _Dracula_)


>III) The "Erotic Dream":  Hey, I wouldn't mind an erotic dream or
>two involving Winona Ryder.  Others could say the same for Keanu
>Reeves. 

     Some of us could say the same thing about *both*.  But Winona's
  corset would definitely be more challenging.  :-)


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Elizabeth E. LeClair  (lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           Committee on Evolutionary Biology, University of Chicago
"Sex is two wavy lines and the United States of America is a trapezoid." L.M.
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tdl001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: RE: Best Vampire Movies
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:23:42 GMT

Ok, Ok, Fright Night WAS good, one of the best, but has anyone seen Pale Blood?
It's one of the best contemporary Vamp movies I've seen.

*Buffy*

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Subject: Re: Compiled music list?
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:14:36 GMT
Keywords: music

In <1egepkINNhr2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> kendall@cats.ucsc.edu (Hadu-Ken) writes:


> Yeah, Fade to Black by Metallica, and every Metallica song made.

Fade to Black has been mentioned many times, and I agree with the choice, but
not every Metallica song would work for "Vampire Music".
From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Best Vampire Movies
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:00:17 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Nov17.172342.1@acad.drake.edu> tdl001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>Ok, Ok, Fright Night WAS good, one of the best, but has anyone seen Pale Blood?
>It's one of the best contemporary Vamp movies I've seen.
>
>*Buffy*
>


pale blood? spare me. it was pathetic. very sad waste of film actually.
i have seen a fair number of vamp movies and fright night (1st one) and
the lost boys were the best.


Newsgroups: alt.vampyres,alt.horror
From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: What an icky, icky movie. SPOILERS
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:50:21 GMT

according to the book on the film (with script and stills), the
whole movie was shot on soundstages. an interesting idea, if only
it had worked.
imho, the best thing in the film was tom waits as renfield, even
though ffc managed to obscure half his dialogue with extraneous
sound.
so very, very disappointing.
russ fischer