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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  What's the story with Commodore marketing?
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:12:18 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <92324.155927CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris "Slothman" Stoy <CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Ok, here's a thought:  Why doesn't Commodore start putting Amigas in large
>department stores like Sears?  Don't think that they are, because every Sears
>I have ever been in has NEVER had an Amiga ANYWHERE in site.  Why is this so
>hard to do?  I see a ton of IBMs and even a Mac or two, but never an Amiga.
>I've seen people walk into stores, look at the computers on display, and then
>decide to get one.  I bet if there was an Amiga there, they would have bought
>one instead of a PC.
>
>Another scary thing was that while I was wondering around Sears, I saw a CD-I
>display sitting right between the stereo and computer equipment.  Why isn't
>CDTV marketed like this, or at all for that matter.  If Commodore doesn't start
>pushing their machines into retail stores were Joe Consumer can get his hands
>on it and see if he likes it, then I fear the Amiga will die a slow, painful,
>bloody death.

Since Sears was (is?) selling the Amiga 500 in it's Christmas Wishbook, it
would seem that they decided not to put it in the shelf.

Commodore can't force any retailer to stock their computers.

I bought my first Amiga 500 through Citi-Shopper, a plan connected with my
Citibank Visa card.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:    Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:23:39 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov19.073022.9208@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
>In article 02vr@rkamiga.UUCP, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>> >* A PC is a PC even if it uses single of multiple user UNIX like SCO 
>> >  Xenix, Interactive IX and so on.
>> 
>> Then why is a 486/33 running UNIX and X11 faster than a SUN IPX?
>
>Who said that? How was the machines configurated? Were both running
>in a network?

The guy who feeds me news works as a sysadmin for Raytheon during the day.
He is responsible for 200 Sun systems that are a cross section of the
complete product line.  His personal system at work is an IPX, connected
to the network, but he is the single user.  It has 32 megs of memory.

His home system is a 486/33 with 128k of cache and 16 megs of memory running
ESIX SVR3.2.  It has 5 modem lines, most of which are busy during the evening.
His login customer have access to all facilities of the system, so some are
compiling software with GCC, while others are reading news.  His system has
to unbatch about 45 megs of news a day, and he rebatches about 35 meg more
to send back out to other sites.  He is usually running X on the console.

From his experience, he feels that his 486 system is faster than an IPX
that usually has less of a load.  And note that the IPX does not boot 
from a server, but from local disk.

He has configured the kernel on both systems for optimum performance.

Workstation is a nebulous term, at best.

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From: etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se (Thomas Grennefors  TX/DKF)
Subject: Re: Amiga or Messy-DOS
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:15:15 GMT

barham@qut.edu.au writes:

>news@ericsson.se writes:
>> barham@qut.edu.au writes:
>> >Commodore are finally telling people that Amiga's exist.
>>
>> Well if comodore is telling people about the amiga they have missed me.
>> I haven`t seen a ad for an amiga in a non Amiga paper for a very long
>> time.

>You don't read Byte and PC Magazine, I take it?

Not if i can avoid it :-)

>> I feel that comodore by dropping the 500 and 500+ and introducing
>> the toyy computer 600 is effectivly killing the Amiga.

>How is the A600 a toy (any more than the A500)?

A500 is a machine for playing games, and it is marketed as a 
game machine byu commodore. The 500 or 600 is not marketed for
the professional market.

>> Why pay for a 600 when you can get a 386 for the same price.

>Since when?

Since a couple of months you can get a 386SX for the same price as
a 600 (or maybe $150 more) here in sweden.

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From: Don_Varriel@amusers.UUCP (Don Varriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:10:38 PST
Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC

Turning people in for PIRACY is about the worst LAMEST thing too do. Theres
absolutely nothing wrong with PIRATING so long as you have no FEELINGS!
Your a sick individual! I mean even People against piracy PIRATE, they just
dont tell you because they are hipacrits. I just hate reading things about
people turning other people in. What the heck were you doing on these
boards anyway. Now are you going to go buy some drugs and turn the HEAD
KINGPIN in. No, I think not, why? Becuase you are the type to back stab and
do things behind the scene, like a pure coward. Thats the word. 

 Software was always meant to be copied thats why some bone head companys
started releasing copiers and then UPDATING them so they would copy better
protections etc.... Now those companys and coders are about the worst
BEHIND the scene PIRATES in the world.  You probably have copies of
programs but are too hypocritical to admit it and if you did you would be
just that. SICKO

Don Varriel!

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Makes ya wanna say get lost dont it!
From: djkordsm@jalapeno.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:03:03 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
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Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
Keywords: 

	TOP 10 Most Wanted in Amiga Software Applications 11/18/92  
	-------------------------------------------------

I've been compiling a list of e-mail responses and things I've seen on 
the net.  Here goes, in no real particular order of rank( at least 
not until I get some more response )  :


 1) Amiga Word Perfect 5.1 
   A word processor which can generate documents with:
   *  Footnotes
   *  Tables
   *  Table of Contents/Figures/Tables
   *  Indices
 
 2) AGA compliant software!!!!
 
 3)  Two general precursors to all developments:
        o strict compliance with the 2.0 style guide
        o consideration for RTG compatibility
	o more professoinal look and feel

 4) o an application framework environment (Visual BASIC, Toolbook)-*note*
    TrueBasic, from the origonal creators of basic, is currently available
    for the Amiga for $15 w/full library and AmigaDos support-see AmazingAmiga
 
 5)  a word processing package w/support for structured graphics

 
 6)  The Amiga could do with an equation editor and/or a graphical interface to
     AmigaTeX.
 
 
 7)  a word processor that can at LEAST read MS-Word/WP 5.1/AmiPro files
     ( AmiPro for AmigaDos)   
    
 8)  a professional level music scoring/notation program( along
     the lines of "Finale" for the MAC )
 
 9)  a spreadsheet w/integrated system of exporting tables easily
     to other amiga word processors 

10)  Norton Utilities equivilent
 

Please respond to me by email, or POST so I can keep this list updated!!! 

-dk
      
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From: petter@pnilsen.UUCP (Petter Nilsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Haynie's PC Conspiracy Theory
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:47:18 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmnor!pnilsen!petter@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Ultima Thule Software
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <2779@cbmehq.esco.so.commodore.com> dlarson@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dale Larson) writes:

> A while back, Dave posted a humorous theory about the Conspiracy behind the
> limitations of the PC.  Unfortunately, he can't find a copy of it any more.
>
> If you saved off a copy of this, please email it to me.  Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Dale Larson, Software Engineer | Anyone who believes that what I say or do
>    		               | represents the policies or procedures of
> 			       | Commodore has more lawyers than they have
> dlarson@commodore.com          | common sense.

Hey, why not post it publicly here so we all can enjoy it again ? :)

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: A4000 pictures
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:34:29 GMT

Skip...

TWO-POINT-FOUR FRIGGIN' MEGS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Jeez... 

better be good pics!

8)

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:01:55 GMT

Andy Finkel writes:
>Kevin Darling writes:
>>My main wish was to point out that Kodak has to sanction/write Photo CD
>>support for all systems such as the Amiga or CDTV (or ST or whatever).
>>So Kodak could easily be a far more likely reason for delay than Philips.
>
>Or Philips could easily be a far more likely reason for delay than Kodak.

Yes, could be.  If so, then we might as well throw out the idea of having
official Photo CD support for Amiga/CDTV.  Is that your point?  Is that what
you want to tell people?  My point was that that's possibly not the holdup.

> After all, one might assume that it is to Kodak's benefit in getting a new
> standard adopted to have as many players out there as possible since Kodak
> sees the money they will make from PhotoCD in terms other than player sales.

Have you been following Photo CD discussions since its beginning on other
groups and nets?  One more time:  it's become clear that Kodak doesn't
consider anything as "Photo CD" unless the code came from them.  Right now,
that means only PCs, Macs and (I think) some Suns have *binary* Photo CD
support libraries which can be licensed from Kodak.  Other systems must
simply wait (Kodak does not give out source code to anyone, apparently).

So it's not at all unlikely that Photo CD support for Amiga/CDTV is mostly
delayed until Kodak gets around to doing an Amiga-compatible library, which
is what I'm hoping for.  But if that's not the case, then tell us so that
people will stop thinking that Photo CD support is imminent for Amiga/CDTV.
 
regards - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Why consider an Amiga? [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:23:24 GMT

jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:

>    To stick it to Apple, and thus support the LPF (League for
>    Programming Freedom).

  According to a talk I went to a couple of weeks ago, there is a large
movement within the LPF to drop their ban on Apple/Lotus etc - the main
reason being that they've realised that the ban is ineffective.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:11:30 GMT

In article <BxvK6G.2rM@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston) writes:

>Somewhere, at some point, someone has to  play with the hardware.  Or else
>why have any hardware at all?  (ie - the computer would just exist in your
>imagination)  The OS is the programmers interface with the hardware.  No one
>should be hitting the hardware directly, because as Commodore has said before,
>the hardware will change.  But because the OS is the interface with the hard-
>ware, it has to change with each new chip set.

3.0 does indeed offer added capabilities for the AGA chipset. But, it's more
of an extension to 2.0 then a complete rewrite. The whole point of RTG is to
remove this burden by placing graphics code at a different level of
abstraction.

>And that is why WB3.0 is incompatible with ECS machines.

Ah, but it isn't incompatible with the ECS machines. It just isn't available
for them.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:55:39 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <hgm.722004736@news.ncsu.edu> <1992Nov17.215302.29266@news.uit.no> <Bxzqrx.7FB@ccu.umanitoba.ca>,<etxansk.722276283@garbod20>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <etxansk.722276283@garbod20>, etxansk@garbo writes:
>remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:
>
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> I suspect that the AGA chipset will make sawdust of the Sega graphics, but
>> the 'Bang-For-the-Buck' arguement that would always be used to defend the 
>> Amiga can now probably be turned against it with the 4000 & 600 out....
>
> And then there's the Super Nintendo with hardware scaling and rotation,
>I don't think there's another home system that beats it.

Genesis w/ CD-ROM addon has superior scaling/rotation ability. (or so I have
been told by numerous sales people that sell both units).
                                                         
> Anders Skelander                                       

Jim
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From: markb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Mark Bower)
Subject: Giant PC to Collide with Earth!
Originator: markb@sydrd14
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:02:23 GMT



	/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

	PC AT System to Destroy the Earth in 1993!

	/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

After a recent search of the sky for earth crossing asteroids, a rather
large, unevenly shaped object was discovered by NASA scientists. After
extreme magnification, it was revealed that the object in question appeared
to be in the shape of a giant IBM AT microcomputer.

Radio messages reflected off the surface of this object returned spurious
signals which correlated to 300 baud RS-232 type signals containing the
ASCII message:  "Abort, Retry, Fail".

After orbital data was obtained, it is estimated that this object will
collide with Earth sometime in 1993. The impact zone is expected to be
somewhere near the Bahamas.

At this stage It is not known if the object can be deflected away from the
Earth. However, it has been suggested that the object could be slowed to a
grinding halt by sending a telemetered Windows (tm) program to it, thus
lessening it's impact on Earth.


The table below give some scientific looking numbers in 
an attempt to give this article credibility:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10.7 FLUX=135    90-AVG=124        SSN=094      BKI=3231 1323  BAI=010
 XRAY-MAX= C5.0   @ 1425UT    XRAY-MIN= B2.6   @ 0248UT   XRAY-AVG= B4.6
  PCA-MAX= +1.3DB @ 1120UT     PCA-MIN= -0.5DB @ 1740UT    PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55430NT @ 1352UT   BOUTF-MIN=55399NT @ 1933UT  BOUTF-AVG=55421NT
GOES6-MAX=P:+134NT@ 1845UT   GOES6-MIN=E:-023NT@ 0622UT  G6-AVG=+096,-010,+028
 FLUXFCST=STD:130,135,140;SESC:130,135,140 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,010,015/010,015,020
    KFCST=1113 3111 1113 3111  27DAY-AP=040,013   27DAY-KP=2356 7322 3222 3443
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
*** end of warning ***


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From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Falcon Spec's [per Comdex handouts]
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:09:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.125147.342@ludd.luth.se> pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m) writes:
>In <37220@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>>Atari Falcon030 Specificiations

>>System Architecture

>>o Independent address and data buses for increased performance.
>
>	Never laughed this much for a long time!!!
>
>	Seriously, has anybody ever built a computer with one common
>address/data bus?

Yes, this was common practice back in the mists of time. The fact that this
phrase appears in so many manufacturers' literature implies that there are
still a lot of multiplexed-bus systems out there, and that they need to
distinguish the case. And of course, the 6502 handled 16-bit addresses but
they were multiplexed over an 8 bit bus... It seems like ancient history now,
but it really wasn't that long ago. At any rate, I think Atari is just quoting
the standard Motorola 68030 spec sheet there.
-- 
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why consider an Amiga? [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:04:17 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <92327.152111FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu> FAA102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>30 yards!?
>I can't speak for A2000's but a TV that's 3 inches from my A500 can't
>can't pick up the output.  So that sounds very wierd to me.

I agree.  I've got a VCR to the right of the 2000, and you can't pick
up ANY interference from the 2000.

Note, however, that you may be having a different kind of problem.
Even if the 2000 follows the best of specifications, your television
may not.  For instance, those who use HAM Radio know that often there
are people around whose electronics will be interfered with by
operations, even if you've gotten the ARRL beaten by 300%
specifications.  It's not necessarily because of you, and in most
cases, actually, the problem/fault is theirs--they're using
electronics that are not shielded properly or are not built to proper
specifications, and the fault is in their electronics, not yours.

I'd say that you've got a very unusual case.

Greg

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From: redman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: I HAVE COME (please note: this post contains irrelevent drivel)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.120059.58858@qut.edu.au> barham@qut.edu.au writes:
>YES!  I HAVE FINALLY COME!
> (stuff deleted)
>2) To always uphold the name Amiga as sacred in the annals of computerdom,
                                                     ^^^^^

Don't you mean `anals of computerdom'?    

This IS c.s.a.a, afterall.  B^)

Brian


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.175023.13871@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:
>
>>OK, I just cought a little of this thread of C= using an Alpha chip.
>
>I wouldn't count on it.  I hope people could stop spreading this rumor.  
>
>>Is this true, or just murmurings or BS like Win NT?
>
>WinNT is in beta testing mode right now... I wouldn't be surprised to see
>some Pentinum machines running WinNT in six months.

I think DEC demoed an Alpha PC running NT at COMDEX.  No info otherwise..

>>If this is true, there will be one more Amiga app developer :-).
>
>>PS:  One of the main lines that I hear is that C= has no future.  What
>>is the future of the Amiga line?
>
>well... to tell you the truth, I think Commodore has been doing some 
>tests with RISC chips.  Nonetheless, I wouldn't necessarily say they will be
>using Alphas.  Even if the Amiga is going to go RISC, it will be a while be-
>fore we see RISC Amigas.
>
>Yet, Commodore isn't sitting idle either.  We know that they (at least
>their engineers ;) are working on newer chipsets and more advanced feature.
>So I wouldn't think Amigas will go under any time soon.  The only way to 
>kill the Amiga now, is to stop supporting/buying Amiga and Amiga-related
>software/hardware.

What does C= plan to do after the 68040?
Oh, never mind that, I'll grow old and die before they'd introduce a 68060 
Amiga.

>Kelvin
>e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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