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From: panissec@nms.otca.oz.au (Colin Panisset)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Cafe Troppo anyway ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:12:13 GMT

alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko) writes:

}> Oh well, I'm back in Canberra for another two weeks now, and all I
}>have to look forward to is an Ali Baba super veg roll and a cappuccino
}>at Gus' in the cold and the rain.

}A cappuccino at Gus's, one of the few delights of Canberra.  

Okay, so tell us - at the risk of diverting away from Ultimo/Glebe/Newtown
and the raging debate therein - where is Gus's in Canberra? I have been known
to pass through our nation's capital from time to time (hurriedly, head down
and without looking to either side), and a good coffeeshop would make
the trip all the nicer...

--

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Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: Harbour Tunnel Overrate
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:57:33 GMT

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>Went through the Harbour tunnel last night.  But it wasn't that exciting.

Pity they were relaying the road surface the second night. I wonder whether
they're going to retar north and south bound lanes on alternate nights.
What a stuff up.  Glad I don't have shares in the Tunnel Company!!!


act@csc.canberra.edu.au       Eye t'ought Eye taw a putty tat.
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Cafe Troppo anyway ?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  2 Sep 92 00:14:26 GMT

act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:

>alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko) writes:

>>> Oh well, I'm back in Canberra for another two weeks now, and all I
>>>have to look forward to is an Ali Baba super veg roll and a cappuccino
>>>at Gus' in the cold and the rain.

>>A cappuccino at Gus's, one of the few delights of Canberra.

>You really need to try the capps at Caffe Lella, Green Square, Kingston. 
>Not only the best in Canberra, but better than anything in Ultimo.  Plus
>great pasta ala Romello.  

The Parrakeet (or whatever it's called - you know, the one near the brothel...)
has always been good to me...
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Cafe Troppo anyway ?
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 03:35:06 GMT

osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

>The Parrakeet(or whatever it's called-you know, the one near the brothel...)
>has always been good to me...

Yeah but its a worry when they won't tell how they get the froth on the 
cappucino, but you suspect it has something to do with next door.

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       Eye t'ought Eye taw a putty tat.
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   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Cafe Troppo anyway ?
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:41:40 GMT

alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko) writes:

>> Oh well, I'm back in Canberra for another two weeks now, and all I
>>have to look forward to is an Ali Baba super veg roll and a cappuccino
>>at Gus' in the cold and the rain.

>A cappuccino at Gus's, one of the few delights of Canberra.

You really need to try the capps at Caffe Lella, Green Square, Kingston. 
Not only the best in Canberra, but better than anything in Ultimo.  Plus
great pasta ala Romello.  

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       Eye t'ought Eye taw a putty tat.
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: jimbo@mhs.oz.au (James Davidson)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Cafe Troppo anyway ?
Organization: Message Handling Systems
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 02:25:51 GMT

act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:
>osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>
>>The Parrakeet(or whatever it's called-you know, the one near the brothel...)
>>has always been good to me...
>
>Yeah but its a worry when they won't tell how they get the froth on the 
>cappucino, but you suspect it has something to do with next door.

I know this is a discussion on the quality of Inner city cafes, but I think
we've reached a new level of bad taste with this remark from Cyclops.

I'll think twice before my next cappucino.

Jimbo.

|	This short signature has nothing to do with me, my company or anything|
|	<insert generic disclaimer here>	jimbo@mhs.oz.au        at all.|
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan)
Subject: Re: Harbour Tunnel Overrate
Keywords: Harbour Tunnel.
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:39:52 GMT


In article <act.421.0@csc.canberra.edu.au>, act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:

(speaking about maintenance on the new tunnel) 

	> What a stuff up.  Glad I don't have shares in the Tunnel Company!!!

Oh, I don't know. I thought the deal was that the NSW govt pays for (all?) the 
maintenance, AND the company who built it has a guaranteed income from it for the
next umpteen years -- until it is old and decrepit -- at which point ownership
reverts to the NSW govt. Sounds like a rock solid investment to me.

This guaranteed income is a real crock of poop. In effect it means that our state
govt now has a vested interest in maintaining/increasing the number of private
cars being driven into the city. Because if traffic through the tunnel drops, so
does the toll generated revenue -- with the slack payed by the govt ( which
really means from our tax dollars.)

So it's not as if the revenue spent on this "hinzian " (Russ) has merely been
diverted from public transport (light rail, more buses ?), it means that there
is an ever present incentive to stifle any move towards a more sensible and 
satisfactory public transport policy.

Philip Ryan.
CSIRO Division of Radiophysics.
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: miku@ee.su.oz.au (Michael Usher)
Subject: Re: Glebe Cafes
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:47:09 GMT

andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor) writes:

>In article <osborn.714622484@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>>Once again I should add: "Cafe Troppo is pathetic"...

>Pathetic it maybe, but I would love to own it. It always seems full when
>I pass it whether its 11am or midnight. They must be making a fortune.

Cafe Troppo (and the Val' itself) is pathetic for one simple reason.
The (current) owners believe it is profitable.  The previous owner (Ken?)
is a strange fellow.  I believe he's now running Essential Energies.
Ken was weird.  Cafe Troppo was weird because he was _involved_ and
enjoyed helping other people to overcome their natural boring-ness,
hence the pink flamingoes and flying pigs.

Troppo sold out.
The Val sold out.
Glebe is slowly becoming a nice, normal place to live.
From: tomw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Tom Worthington)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Cafe Troppo anyway ?
Date: 27 Aug 1992 08:12:37 GMT
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
NNTP-Posting-Host: ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au

The best coffee in Canberra is at the coffee shop at Bailey's Corner.
That's in Civic on London Circuit, next to the Bus Interchange.

Tom W.

Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo,alt.tasteless
From: nasty@socs.uts.edu.au (Neville Asty)
Subject: Re: Fraud and extortion at Concordia University (Canada)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  1 Sep 92 06:06:36 GMT

bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:

>From CCYFK56@vax2.concordia.ca Thu Aug 20 08:19:43 1992
>Subject: Fraud and extortion at Concordia University (Canada)
>To: baartman@math.mtu.EDU, laci@cs.uchicago.EDU, babbitt@math.ucla.EDU,
>        fawb@nmumus.bitnet, bacciotti@itopoli.bitnet, bach@cs.wisc.EDU,
>        bachelis@mts.cc.wayne.EDU, mi048@ibm2.mi.uni-koeln.DE,
>[...]

The nice inner-city subject of shootings gives us a new definition of
coolness: being on Fabrikant's mailing list.

Nev.
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Valhalla (was: Glebe Cafes, but so is everything else)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  2 Sep 92 00:45:47 GMT

miku@ee.su.oz.au (Michael Usher) writes:

>Troppo sold out.
>The Val sold out.

The Valhalla was bought out (read: possesed by the malignant corporate spirits 
of Hoyts.) Except for the science fiction festivals, Melbourne "art" cinemas are
far better. And there were more of them when I was last in Melbourne (Xmas.)
Why don't we ever talk about Melbourne? It's clean, the shopping is good. With
the exception of the filthy train stations, their public transport is cheaper
and more far-reaching that Sydney will ever manage.

>Glebe is slowly becoming a nice, normal place to live.

It always was. It's Ultimo without the Harbour views.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Life always reminded me of this joke: two people are eating at a restaurant. One
says to the other "This food is awful!" The other replies "Yes. And the portions
are so small."
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Harbour Tunnel Overrate
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:17:45 GMT

in article <act.421.0@csc.canberra.edu.au>, act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) says:
> Pity they were relaying the road surface the second night. I wonder whether
> they're going to retar north and south bound lanes on alternate nights.

It appears that Boral, the contractor responsible for asphalting, may have
incorrectly mixed some of the bitumen, or laid it at the wrong temperature.
The result was some small sections of bitumen were being stripped away from
the concrete floor of the tunnel.

The bitumen is a new mix designed to reflect light better and provide a 
quieter surface (to prevent the tunnel becoming a noise chamber) and yet
provide a grippier surface than normal.  Apparently this is the first time its
been tried under traffic conditions.

180 lane metres of it was replaced in the northbound carriageway on Tuesday
night, 50 more lane metres in the northbound carriageway (in a different 
place) and 30 lane metres in the southbound carriageway were replaced on
Wednesday night.  Lines were remarked last night.

It is hoped that all substandard sections have now been replaced (the RTA
examined the full length of both carriageways last Tuesday night).  I'll give
a fuller account in my last tunnel update to be posted to aus.general at the
end of this month.

The Sydney Harbour Tunnel Co. is said to be having "robust" discussions with
the contractor.

> What a stuff up.  Glad I don't have shares in the Tunnel Company!!!

I don't know about that.  This kind of problem may only reveal itself after
you have 40,000 cars a day pounding the surface.

If the potholing is the worst that people can come up with to attack the
tunnel after it's first week of operation then it must have been more
successful than its critics dare to contemplate.

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From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Modem recommendations wanted
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:25:52 GMT

Monday August 24 1992 00:54, Mark I. Williams (miw@cc.uq.oz.au) wrote:

 MW> This is something which goes right to the heart of the issue and which
 MW> has caused us and a lot of others heartache over the years. We have come
 MW> to the conclusion that, if you are offering a service, you should avoid
 MW> the cheap modems like the plague. If you want to buy a modem to dial
 MW> BBSs or work from home, you should buy the cheapest modem that gives you
 MW> decent performance on your home exchange.

Your comments are fair enough. Even for BBS use, I believe a cheapish modem
should provide sufficient quality. I know of several sysops running the $580 and
$599 modems I meantioned. Most have no problems. Regarding Netcomm.. They cost
enough, and they're good quality... but the service, I understand, is nothing
short of appalling. Mind you, I am not a Netcomm customer (nor a customer of
Interlink ($580) nor Maestro ($599)), so I am in no position to comment on
service first-hand.



Regards,
Hamish


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Newsgroups: aus.comms,comp.dcom.fax,nz.comp,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: DALLAS, Boca -- what differences
From: pete@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Pete Glassenbury)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:51:54 +1200
Organization: Computer Science,University of Canterbury,New Zealand


Hi,
	We are looking at getting some high speed modems for our
dial-up facilities. We have been offered a good deal on both the Boca and
the Dallas modems and can also get the Zyxel for a bit more. The Boca
and dallas both have the rockwell chip set (I beleive). The Zyxel has its
own custom chip set. How well do these things work??
	Does anyone have any comparisons between them? (Gut feelings ?)
The Fax capabilities of all of them is a secondary consideration but I
would like to know if they would run with the Netfax software 

Most of the students around here have 2400baud modems so it would be
essential that there were no problems stepping down to the slower speeds

Any other comments /comparisons/flames welcome

(These modems will be connected to a Sun sparcstation 2 (SS10 when it
arrives) so does that cause any problems.)

I will summarize if there is interest

Pete

Peter Glassenbury			Computer Science dept.
pete@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz		University of Canterbury
					New Zealand
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					New Zealand
From: beam@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:10 EST
Subject: terminal servers
Nf-ID: #N:peg:999800036:000:659
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!beam    Aug 27 16:10:00 1992


hello aus.comms,

i think i need a terminal server, but i know too much about them. this topic
doesn't seem to have been broached much in the this group, so perhaps people
can post up info on their favourite machines.

to solve my particular problem i need a box that can talk slip and interface
with the about 10 rs232 terminals and some dialup modems and automatically
establish sessions on a remote unix system via telnet. an ethernet interface
would be a bonus, but not essential.

this box should hopefully be a stand alone component which can be managed
remotely.

the usual mix of price, support, reliability and so should also apply.

cheers, tim :-)

Newsgroups: aus.comms
From: andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au (Andrew McRae)
Subject: Re: A reliable 9600 modem
Originator: andrew@caleb
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:09:32 GMT

From article <1992Aug25.152425.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, by sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison):
>But why pay $1800 for a Dataplex 596 when you can get two Netcomms for the 
>same amount of money (and they do 14.4K too). In our case, we were able to buy 
>28 Netcomms. We would only have got 14 Dataplexs.
> 
> In the 15 months since we installed them, we have had only one failure, 
> replaced under warranty.
> David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia

Just another experience: We have 4 Netcomm V32 modems; I have one at
home, two in a machine room (one of which just accepts dial-ins, the
other both dial outs and dial ins), and another floating about.
When you get the setup right (a pain for most medium speed AT style modems)
they do work well, and seem to talk to all the other modems we have
tried.

One modem experiences a strange crash every so often - this is the
modem that is used to dial out (as well as dial in). When dialing out,
it sometimes hangs with the line carrier LED on, even though it has
hung up the phone line. Once in this mode, *nothing* will get it
talking again except a power down/power up cycle. You can toggle
control lines, send ATZ as much as you like. It won't answer the phone at
all etc. It happens once every week or fortnight, not enough to spend the
time complaining or trying to get it fixed, and it usually happens during
working hours so it's no great effort to rectify. I suspect that it
is some s/w fault to do with carrier detects, dialling etc.

Apart from that, the Netcomm V32 modems we have seem to work well.

Andrew McRae			andrew@megadata.mega.oz.au
Megadata Pty Ltd,		Phone:	(02) 805 0899
North Ryde  NSW  2113		Fax:	(02) 887 4847
From: paul@surv_sun.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Paul Joyce)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Roundup of v32.bis/v32 modems
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:25:51 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Melbourne
Originator: paul@sunrise.sli.unimelb.edu.au


Hi,

We are purchasing a couple of modems for a low traffic Melb-Syd link
between unix boxes. We are looking at preferably v32.bis modems, but
maybe just v32. My preliminary investigations have resulted in the
following table.



                       v32.bis  v32   v42  MNP4  v42.bis  MNP5   Fax    RRP
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scitec Datalink 14.4  |   y      y     y     y      y       y          1705
                      |
Netcomm M7F           |   y      y     y     y      y       y     y    1499
                      |
Banksia MX-6          |   y      y     y     y      y       y     y    1199
                      |
Interlink IQ 6        |   y      y           y              y          1194
                      |
Interlink Base 6      |   y      y           y                          699
                      |
Banksia MX-5          |          y     y     y      y       y     y     888
                      |
Avtek Megaplus v32    |          y           y      y       y           799
                      |
Maestro v32           |          y     y     y      y       y           599
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Notes:

(a) The RRP is the LIST price including tax. I realize the "street"
prices are significantly less in many cases, but this at least gives a
starting point for comparison.

(b) Each modem has many more features which are not mentioned and serve
to distinguish them even further. However, when connecting to other
modems, the standards above are all that really matter.

(c) Avtek and Maestro both said they would have v32.bis by about Christmas.

(d) I was put onto Scitec by the praise they had received in aus.comms. I
was surprised to find that Scitec also sell Netcomms to address the "low end"
of the market. Scitec said that Netcomm modems would not perform as well
when using syncronous connections or leased lines. They also explained that
since Netcomm come from a PC background (where to redial is ok) they are
less reliable at maintaining a connection. (Is this a problem for UUCP or
MHSnet?)


Are there any notable exceptions from this table? What should we be aware
of?

On another note, has anyone tried to use netfax from GNU with any of these
fax/modems? I know netfax is pretty raw still.

And finally, how does the getty cope with incoming faxes?

Thanks,

Paul.
-- 
Paul Joyce
paul@sunrise.sli.unimelb.edu.au

     "I think you're pretty smart, don't I?"      - Daffy Duck
From: coney@socs.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Jeff Coney)
Subject: YMODEM on SUN under UNIX
Summary: Need YMODEM to run on SUN under UNIX
Keywords: ymodem sun unix
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:00:35 GMT


Can anyone tell me where to find a YMODEM program for the SUN running under
Unix?


Jeff Coney

coney@socs.murdoch.edu.au
From: ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Re: A reliable 9600 modem
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:22:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug18.070333.24289@marlin.jc:-271188872:peg:999800035:000:327
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!ilanet    Aug 25 11:22:00 1992


Hi Lloyd,

You should give DataPlex a call. They make fantastic modems and they
are also much much cheaper than Netcomm modems. Netcomm, in my personal
opinion make beautiful modems, write ugly software and are just too
expensive.

Sorry but I don't have the number with me. 

Good luck.

Sandra davey
ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.comms
From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: A reliable 9600 modem
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 05:24:25 GMT

> I run a network link over a pair of Dataplex DPX-496 modems at 14,400 bps
> (V.32bis). These modems also run all the lower speeds and support
> V.42bin and MNP 4 & 5 compression. Technically I think they're very similar
> to the Scitec modems that David Bennett notes in a previous posting. I have
> had very good experiences with these modems, they hold onto circuits very
> well indeed, and will talk to practically anything (except for
> those darn Netcomm 9600 modems that won't talk to anything except another
> of themselves, argh). I recommend them for consideration, they cost around

Funnily enough, everyone bags Netcomm, but we have not have that experience at 
all. About the middle of last year, we wanted to buy about twenty high speed 
modems for a dial-in service.  These were to be used by people with any kind 
and speed of modem.  We conducted extensive tests of the Netcomm E5, the 
Interlink and the Dataplex 596.

The *only* modem that would talk to everything we tried was the Netcomm. The 
Interlink was junk - wouldn't even talk reliably to another Interlink. The 
Dataplex was very good, but we did have problems dialing in to it with some 
types of modems.

In Simon's case, he is using a Dataplex 596 to talk to another one (possibly 
over a leased line - he does not say). This is an entirely different situation 
to someone setting up a general dialup service where dozens of different 
modems may be used to originate the calls.

>One way or another it is well worth spending reasonable $$$'s on the
>modems you use as the "answer" side of any dial-in service. The investment you
>make in a great modem at your end will pay for itself in terms of their
>ability to work well with your information customers' cheaper modems,
>and thus to save both you and them anguish and disconnected lines.

True.

>I'd be very happy to recommend either the Dataplex DPX-496's or
>the Scitec 14.4K's. Either way, you might as well get the ones that
>can go to 14.4K, they don't cost enough more than the 9600's do to be
>worth *not* getting them. Half as fast again...

But why pay $1800 for a Dataplex 596 when you can get two Netcomms for the 
same amount of money (and they do 14.4K too). In our case, we were able to buy 
28 Netcomms. We would only have got 14 Dataplexs.

In the 15 months since we installed them, we have had only one failure, 
replaced under warranty.
-- 
David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia
sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au or (VAX PSI) psi%0505249626002::sysnet
Phone: +61 49 215397	Fax: +61 49 216910
Newsgroups: aus.comms