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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Danish draws for EC2 and EC3, 2nd round
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:35:07 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


EC2:

  AGF (Aarhus) -- Steaua Bukeresti (Bulgaria)
  First game in Aarhus.

Possibly the worst possibly draw. Steaua is very strong team and at
the same time a team that will draw no crowds in Aarhus -- Danish
spectators for some reason never care to see an Easteuropean team. AGF
will need a very good result at home to make it. Realistically, all I
hope for is a single EC point from a home draw.


EC3:

  FC K/obenhavn - Auxerre (France)
  First game in Auxerre.

A very interesting game. Both teams play quick-paced, technical
football. FC K/obenhavn has been a bit unstable this year, but I
believe they will able to play their best in the EC. Auxerre is
currently no. 2 in France and is looking good. I expect the teams to
be rather equal, with the French maybe a tad better. Still, the
chances should be roughly 50/50. Let's hope for a draw in France.


  Frem (Copenhagen) -- Zaragoza (Spain)
  First game in Copenhagen.

Frem is still fighting to steer clear of relegation in the Danish
league and it's quite a mystery to everyone that they made it to the
2nd round at all. Zaragoza is currently 4th in Spain with two wins at
home and two draws away. Again, the best I can realistically hope for
is that Zaragoza will be happy with a draw in Copenhagen so that we'll
secure a single EC point.


In all, not very good draws for the Danish teams. I won't be too
surprised to find us with no teams in the 3rd round, but hey, I can
always hope. And I *do* believe FCK has a fair chance.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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From: rconway@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: LEEDS OUT and IN AGAIN
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:21:28 GMT




Leeds are to either play Stuttgart again or are in the next round !!!


The German team had 4 foreign players on the field at one time.


UEFA are to make a decision on this today any news please post.



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From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Re: MY BELOVED *STILL* REIGNS
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:15:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.142710.13040@phillip.edu.au> t8914229@phillip.edu.au writes:
B
>all the bloody fuss about MY BELOVED LIVERPOOL drawing with chesterfield.
>what about everton losing to rotherham???????  what about united only
>managing a draw against brighton?????  what about arsenal only managing
>a draw against milwall???????
>
>sack george graham, ferguson and colin harvey.
>
>LIVERPOOL F.C. RULES THE WORLD FOREVER AND EVER
>GRAEME SOUNESS RULES ALL MANAGERS

It's only now that I find out how Man. Utd and Everton did in their respective 
games. How come we don't hear the comments of the fans of these two teams
about these games like they did for Liverpool?                        

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LIVERPOOL F.C FOR EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Lars Thore Aarhus <larsaa@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Norwegian clubs in Europe.
Cc: sundsbarm@davidsys.com, warloe@usc.edu, lasseh@seattleu.edu,
    polsen@was.waii.com, finn@fsg.com, w2baust@watson.ibm.com,
    einevoll@SDPHLS.UCSD.EDU, eivind@milton.u.washington.edu, kd@lis.pitt.edu
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:39:36 GMT
Originator: larsaa@maud.ifi.uio.no


 The results from the matches involving Norwegian clubs in European
competition last night were:


Champions Cup:

Viking			Barcelona (Spain)	0 - 0 		12.014

Barcelona go through 1-0 on aggregate.

 The second match was very similar to the first leg in Spain. Viking
were quickly getting all but one player behind the ball and thus
making it very hard for the visitors. Whenever Viking had the
opportunity they used the counter-attack and could have had a
goal or two with better finishing. These tactics weren't of
course a beauty to watch but what do you expect from a team
of part-timers at the moment threatened by relegation against
the European champions. Barcelona on their hand had a lot
of possesion but rarely looked dangerous. Perhaps because
they never attacked with more than seven men ,always leaving
three defenders at the back to look after the lonely attacker
Oestenstad. All in all of course a deserved win by the Catalan
side , but I guess they didn't expect such strong resistence from
the Norwegians.


Cup-Winners-Cup:

Rosenborg		Dynamo Moskva(Moscow)(Russia)	2 - 0 (1-0) 10.218
1 - 0 K.Ingebrigtsen (7)
2 - 0 K.P.Loeken (48)

Dynamo Moskva go through 5-3 on agg.


 This tie was almost deceide before kick-off after Rosenborg's
disasterous result in the first leg. But to their credit they never
gave up and attacked constantly from start to end after getting
the early goal they needed in the 7th minute. Unfortuneately
they only managed to score once more despite numerous opportunities
including a penalty missed by Tangen 20 min. from time. I guess you
can say thet they screwed up in the first leg and not in this match.


So, as usual all Norwegian clubs go out in the first round proper (or
earlier ,remember Stroemsgodset) :-( :-(. But at least this time
they gave their opponents a fight.

Regards
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Lars Thore Aarhus                  e-mail: larsaa@ifi.uio.no |
|  Department of Informatics                                    |
|  University of Oslo                   'GO Villa,GO'           |
|                                                               |
|  'Lyn for the Norwegian championship 1992'                    |
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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Big twelve in Europe
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:39:21 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <1992Sep29.164216.10566@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker) writes:

>Points: all points ever won in any EC (2 for a win, 1 for a draw)
>I know that this kind of table does not reflect every aspect of success in
>ECs, but IMHO it's near to be perfectly fair.

Do you have info on total Cups won, in each competition?  It's not easy to
tell whether a club has played more times in competition because it is
a better club, or because the opposition in that country is worse.

Tim
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From: laudw@warwick.ac.uk (Chris Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Liverpool/forest (derby?) crisis
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:58:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK


Liverpool :- is`nt it clear yet that Souness is an incompetent fool ??
             After watching Saunders and Wright play for Derby for their
             last few seasons,I can say they are quality players (alright
             so DCFC went down,but only cos of Maxwells 'help')..it
             should be clear to anyone that has seen Wright and Saunders
             play that it is Souness's managerial incompetence that is
             the main reason behind Liverpools recent crappy performances..
             (as i`m sure villa fans and southampton fans will testify)
             Souness had a bad attitude as a player and manager and the
             sooner l`pool get rid the better !!

Forest :-   Are forest in crisis ?? I reckon Clough must know what he is
            doing,when all told he still has players like Pearce,Roy
            Keane,Nigel in the side.He must have a bit of money to juggle
            with as well.As opposed to mr souness i would suggest cloughie
            has the managerial knowledge and experience to
            get out of trouble...perhaps he should buy Mark Wright to
            shaw up his defence ?? i`m sure he`d get the best out of him.

Derby :- Having spent 10 million pounds on their side and struggling at
         the foot of division one it appears that unless the side gels
         together soon (which I hope they will!) then Arthur will have
         some explaning to do.What does anyone else reckon ??? (Forest
         fans ??? any Honest opinions??).But I reckon by next season
         Derby will be seen as the best young side in the country,replacing
         forest as the side with the best youth policy..With wassal,short,
         pembridge,johnson,kitson,simpson where can we go wrong ??

anyway,just a few views....

The rams forever..

Darren.
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From: hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema)
Subject: Re: Norway-Holland
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:27:06 GMT

steins@edb.tih.no (Stein Helge Sjaastad,hsk92) writes:

>Holland
>Forget '78
>Forget '88
>and
>Forget '94........

>Norway beats the shit out of Holland 23.9.  2-1 in a match that
>the chickens from Holland in second half played for a draw.

>Goals by Norway scored by Rekdal (pen 9.) and Soerloth (78.)
>Hollands only goal scored by Berkamp after 10 minutes.

>The standings in the group:

>Norway     2 0 0    12-1   4p

We'll meet again.

mazzell..
eelco
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 17:47:30 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Austria round 14
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Well, it seems posting problems are solved...
Austrian Football Scores
------------------------
1. Bundesliga, round 14:
October 3
Austria Salzburg          2-1 Vorwaerts Steyr      Att: 8,000
Sabitzer 78'                  Heraf 24'
Reinmayr 91'
LASK                      1-1 Sportclub Wien       Att: 2,000
A. Ogris 42'                  Janeschitz 74'
Rapid                     2-1 Admira/Wacker        Att: 3,500
Fjoertoft 55'                 Ljung 32'
Blizenec 85'
VfB Moedling              0-3 Austria Wien         Att; 3,000
                              Aigner 9'
                              Zsak 38' (p)
                              Hasenhuettl 84'
Sankt Poelten             3-2 Sturm Graz           Att: 3,000
Vastic 38'                    Wetl 45'
Milevsky 56'                  Deveric 87'
Gussnig 69'
Wacker Innsbruck          3-0 Stahl Linz           Att: 3,500
Danek 17' (p)
Wazinger 36'
Hoertnagl 74'
Table:
 1.Austria Salzburg       14  8  5  1  31-15  21
 2.Wacker Innsbruck       14  7  5  2  29-11  19
 3.Austria Wien           14  8  3  3  30-15  19
 4.Admira/Wacker          14  7  3  4  28-20  17
 5.Wiener Sportclub       14  6  4  4  17-20  16
 6.Sankt Poelten          14  5  5  4  21-22  15
 7.Rapid                  14  4  5  5  21-19  13
 8.Vorwaerts Steyr        14  5  3  6  17-20  13
--------------------------------------------------
 9.VfB Moedling           14  4  2  8  19-28  10
10.Sturm Graz             14  3  4  7  19-29  10
11.LASK                   14  2  5  7  15-30   9
12.Stahl Linz             14  1  4  9  12-30   6
Topscorers:
Danek (Wacker Innsbruck)    15
Pfeifenberger (A. Salzburg)  9
Vastic (Sankt Poelten)       9
Marschall (Admira/Wacker)    7
Sabitzer (Austria Salzburg)  7
2. Bundesliga
Round 14
GAK                       0-0 Wattens
DSV Leoben                4-1 Krems
Oberwart                  1-2 Puch
Stockerau                 4-0 Spittal
FavAC                     2-1 LUV Graz
Vienna                    0-1 Ried
Table:
 1.Ried                   14  8  4  2  25-10  20
 2.GAK                    14  6  5  3  21-11  17
 3.FavAC                  14  6  4  4  21-13  16
 4.DSV Leoben             14  6  4  4  21-14  16
--------------------------------------------------
 5.Spittal                14  7  2  5  24-21  16
 6.Puch                   14  7  2  5  25-25  16
 7.Oberwart               14  4  5  5  13-17  13
 8.Stockerau              14  5  3  6  21-28  13
 9.Wattens                14  4  3  7  14-20  11
10.Krems                  14  4  3  7  14-24  11
11.Vienna                 14  3  4  7   8-14  10
12.LUV Graz               14  3  3  8  14-24   9
--
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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From: henningo@dhhalden.no (HENNING OLSEN)
Subject: Leeds United
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:05:24 GMT

 Please send me a fully report from the match against Stuttgart wednesday.
I'm also glad to recieve any kind of news concerning the dissapointing
start of this season.
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From: martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen)
Subject: Re: Jan(n?) Jensen (was: Heinrik (?) Andersen)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:42:54 GMT
	<1992Sep29.142757.15915@spider.co.uk>
	<MARTIN.92Sep29164325@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
	<1992Sep29.174723.19958@spider.co.uk>
Organization: TH Darmstadt

In article <1992Sep29.174723.19958@spider.co.uk> scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:

>  >>   There is no such team called Glasgow Rangers or Glasgow Celtic.
>  >
>  >Seriously - what names would you suggest for the Glasgow teams ? Celtic or
>  >Rangers alone is too ambiguous.
>
>  They are the original use of the names `Rangers' and `Celtic' and as such
>  those are the names of the clubs. How can they be ambiguous when these names
>  are known throughout the world.
>
>   Rangers are currently officially known as:
>
>  The Rangers Football Club Plc
>
>  As far as I know, Celtic are known as:
>
>  The Celtic Football and Athletic Club

There are many clubs with the name Rangers or Celtic, and I fear most of
them claim that they are the only and real Rangers resp. Celtic. Remember
that this is a worldwide network. In most places outside the UK the Glasgow
teams are referred to as Glagow Rangers resp. Celtic Glasgow to indicate which
team is meant.

Have fun, Martin.
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From: bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers)
Subject: Re: Waiting for Holland-Poland
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:41:24 GMT

In <BvGC0q.2nD@epix.rrze.uni-erlangen.de> wlodek@forwiss.uni-erlangen.de (Wlodzimierz Kasprzak) writes:

>michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper) writes:
>>As long as
>>the policy of the PZPN (Polish Football Association) is selling
>>to foreign clubs any single player who represents some minimum
>>level, those who remain in Polish clubs are the outsiders.
>Really sad. As usually we have to wait for a great day of our national squad.
>Maybe the next WC qualification game Holland-Poland will do. I hope they
>will not lose.
Pity, pity, pity, but they will lose. Norway was enough...

>W.Kasprzak
Bart-Jan.
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From: michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Waiting for Holland-Poland
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:28:56 GMT

bartjan@cs.kun.nl (Bart-Jan Bouwers) writes:
>>Maybe the next WC qualification game Holland-Poland will do. I hope they
>>will not lose.
>Pity, pity, pity, but they will lose. Norway was enough...

You're perfectly right about your second sentence.  That's IT.
So, if Norway was enough to make it with Holland, then Poland
certainly will be more than enough.  Ha, ha, ha. ;-)

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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Heinrik (?) Andersen
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:38:15 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Ken" == shadlin  (shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu)

Ken> I am not sure if I have his name correct, but I am hoping someone
Ken> can tell me what is the condition of the Danish leftback that
Ken> was stretchered off the field in the EC semi-final against Holland.

His name is Henrik Andersen and he plays for 1. FC K"oln. He broke his
kneecap in an accidental clash with van Basten and the injury was
regarded as very bad. He is reported to be making good progress "under
the circumstances" and is now able to walk unaided. According to an
interview in Danish "Tipsbladet" he has hopes to play after Xmas and
would like to do a good spring for K"oln but on the other hand
realizes that the rate of progress is hard to judge and that it may be
he can't play until next season (fall 93).

All of this is really sad since Henrik Andersen was playing very good
for the national team and for K"oln and realizing his potential. He is
27 and it may be that his chance for the "big time" has been ruined.

/Lars
--
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CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: osip@radiomax.perm.su (Dmitry V. Kolesnikov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Moscow - other world
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:21:59 GMT
Reply-To: osip@radiomax.perm.su
Organization: RADIO MAXIMUM

Second round EU cup:

Real (Madrid) - Torpedo (Moscow)
Barcelona     - Red Army (Moscow)
Torino        - Dinamo (Moscow)
Liverpool     - Spartak (Moscow) <-!!!!!!!!!!!

Other world - Moscow  1 : 3, who else?
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: 3rd game Leeds - Stuttgart
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.130443.7753@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> schoof@dec5.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof) writes:
>From article <1992Oct4.132634@uni-paderborn.de>, by laetta@uni-paderborn.de (Udo Koerber):
>> Last night, after listening to both teams managements/trainers,
>> UEFA decided:
>> 
>>  - the 2nd game Leeds _ Stuttgart will be counted as  3-0
>> 
>>  - i.e. a 3rd game must be played (agg. 3-3)
>> 
>>  - protests against the decision will be allowed 'til tuesday midnight
>> 
>>  - place (neutral, i think) and date will be announced after that.
>> 
>> My sense of justice says: Oh lucky, lucky Stuttgart - a hard decision
>>                           against Leeds.
>> 
>
>I can not agree this decision was hard against Leeds. It was the only
>way to decide. UEFA-rules say if you have players on the field who are
>not permitted, you lose the game with a score of 3-0. If the difference
>was worse for the team, it would be kept (4-0 would remain 4-0 and not
>become 3-0, AND 6-1 would remain 6-1). These are the regulations. So I
>really wonder if they did not have to keep the 4-1. But this would have
>been a clear advantage to Stuttgart, who made a fault. 
>
>I understand, that Leeds supporters are not very happy with the
>decision, but I think there was nothing else the UEFA could do.
>
However, if Stuttgart had lost the game 3-0 at the end of 90 minutes,
extra-time would have been played _at Leeds ground_, followed by a
penalty-kick competition if the aggregate score was still tied. Thus,
strictly speaking, by playing on a neutral ground, Leeds have been
deprived of an advantage that normally would have fallen their way had
they _won_ (as opposed to being awarded) the second leg by 3-0. Now I'm
not suggesting that Stuttgart should travel to Elland Road for 1/2
hour of extra-time, but given that it was they who broke the rule, I'm
surprised that the 3rd game is not being played in Leeds.

I'm also intrigued to know what would have happened if Stuttgart had
won the first leg 4-0. If Leeds had been awarded the second leg 3-0,
Stuttgart would have effectively received no penalty for breaking the
rules as they would still have won on aggregate. Seems unfair...

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

Wait! Come back! There's part of my face you haven't stepped on yet....
From: sharon@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Sharon Kedar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Carlisle
Date: 28 Sep 1992 02:40:05 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

A question:  What's the highest division Crlisle has ever been in, and when?


Sharon Kedar
sharon@seismo.gps.caltech.edu
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From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: Where are the English hooligans?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:01:21 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <934@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies) writes:
>In article <1adch4INNkua@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>>
>>> In the Bay Area we are privileged enough to see on TV a show called
>>> "FA Premier League", a weekly collection of English games (BTW, I
>>> never understood which is which; is "Premier"="Rumbelows"?).
>>> I've been watching it for a year now; where are the hooligans? You know,
>>> the socially misfit uneducated and uneployed  youngsters who, according
>>> to some press make soccer arenas a hazardous place to be?
Socially misfit ? The hooligans in Germany wear pretty expensive sneakers
and expensive clothing I couldn't afford. 
A football stadium is not hazardous at all to be in except if it's a
ruin (like the stadium in Brussels) or if you are actively looking for 
trouble. Basically hooligans just fight each other, outside after the
game if allowed by the police. Ususally both sides get beaten up by the
police. (`Our' police (Bochum) earned the "Goldenen Knueppel" last 
year when the hooligans took a poll on where the toughest police is). 

For German readers: There is a monthly called Fan-Treff, which is a 
newspaper (almost entirely) devoted to hooliganism, where both sides write 
up their 'experiences'. Actually quite fun to read for once, to get a clue, 
what hooliganism is about, so to speak.

> around on the pitch kicking lumps out of each other. Vinny Jones has
> just got into trouble with the FA again for appearing in a video about
> football's "hardmen", which glorifies their efforts to maim fellow
> players. Jones describes techniques used to accomplish this end, such
> as raking the back of a players leg with one's studs, so as to inflict
> an Achilles tendon injury. It recalls to mind the famous photo of Jones
> grasping a young Gascoigne firmly by the plums, out of sight of the

Very interesting stuff!! Tell me more about Vinny Jones.

Nat!
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