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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:11:06 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1992Dec22.115542.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> 
> You have a good knowledge of one tipe of "otkazniks" (let me call it
> "refusenik", as it is called here), but not of all of them.  My situation
> was under a category "bednye rodstvenniki", which was "created" by a stupid
> law about some peace of paper from relatives, staying there, that I don't have
> any financial obligations toward them.  This "law" was created after 1986, 
> to stop at least a part of emigrants, because the autority couldn't use
> their "old tricks" any more.  Sure, they didn't fire me from a job, for
> I was a student in MGU, but my mother lost her job as soon as we put our
> papers in process.
> 
> In my case, my "father" (whom I'd never seen, because my parents divorced
> before my birthday) didn't want to sign any papers, that's why we received
> refuse from OVIR to emigrate in Israel. 

Then I'm also refusenik !  When I came to OVIR with the invitation
from university, they, mildly speaking, pointed to the exit door.
It took me not a little efforts to get foreign passport from
PhysTech. So should I shout on every corner that I'm refusenik ?

> P.S.  One of the things, which I'll never forget the S.U., was the death of
> my grandfather, who could live longer if he was here in 1989.  Unfortunately,
> Soviet medicine has no idea how to fight blood-cancer, and he died less then
> in a month after our interview in embassy...

American medicine doesn't have any idea how to fight blood-cancer too.
Besides, who would be paying for your medical bills ?

Serega
From: esuleym@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: RE
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:04:55 EST
Keywords: Jews in Armenia
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

There are only 1000 Jews in Armenia because of descrimination of non-armenians.
Now Armenia is one of the most monoethnic regions in CIS,and it's not
natural,because people were forced to leave Armenia.Moreover,there are very
strong ties between Armenian army,terrorist groups(ex.ASALA0 and palestinian
terrorist groups.It is well known also that Iran supports Armenian
army.Finally,you can compare situation with Jewish community in Armenia and
Azerbaijan,which is one of the centers of the Jewish culture(ex.Tats).Talking
about Genocide ,please,remember hundreds of thousands Azeri,kurdish and Russian
refugees,forced to leave Armenia and Hundreds of Those who are killed everyday
by Armenian soldiers.Good luck!
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Boris Grebenschikov
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:33:57 GMT
	<1992Dec19.001335.18691@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<LEONID.92Dec19131458@tuna.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Dec20.024119.2266@panix.com>
Organization: University of Chicago CILS

In article <1992Dec20.024119.2266@panix.com> jackz@panix.com (Evgueni Zabokritski) writes:

>   Well, I guess I will be the 1001st to point out that the author of this
>   lyrics is Alex Hvostenko, AKA Hvost. 

No, in fact you are only the second. Thank you anyway.
 
>   As for the music of this (excellent,
>   in my opinion) song, it was also "borrowed" from an unknown English musician
>   who lived circa 18th century. It was originally intended to be performed 
>   on lute.
>   /* These facts inspired some negative attitudes to Bob for "plagiate", but
>      I still think he WAS a real author of this enchanting thing */

Well, I think it was pretty stupid to accuse him in plagiate. Since he always
told explicitely that he is not an author of the song. ( in a formal sense; 
I think, as well, that it was he  who has made it sound so beautifully - so he is
an author, in this sense )

Well, I've already mentioned this here - Bob really has this talent of borrowing 
not only verses or, say, musical ideas, but style and manner of song writing.
The style of "Gorod zolotoy" lyrics perfectly matches the style of many latter 
Aquarium songs. Or vice versa - whatever you prefere.

>   Continuing the theme, are there Bob fans around here who feel the strong
>   connections between many Aquarium songs and English fantasy, primarily
>   Tolkien ? 

Ha! You've mentioned one of the most interesting topics in "scientific 
aquariumologics". If you had a chance to read "/\ec" (Forest) - BG's 
work in prose, it is not just inspired by Tolkien, it is sort of *full*
by all this Tolkein-style stuff... I am not really crazy about the book,
though. It's a little bit messy and unfinished. 

>   These connections have been heard to be directly confirmed
>   by Bob. I personally feel it very strongly, although not necessarily in
>   details, but in "general impression". I believe the above mentioned
>   "Golden City" should belong either to Lothlorien, or to that "hidden land"
>   of Valar, whose name I forgot.

Well, in fact "Gorod Zolotoy" is written in a classical Christian
tradition - Mikhail Verbitsky has already pointed it out here - it's based
on a symbols, frequently met in the early Christian texts. ( as well as in
ancient Asian phylosophy, off course ). It's pretty hard to tell, though, 
which influence on BG's oeuvre was, say, primary or initial. And if we say,
that there's a lot of influence from Tolkein on his songs, than the question
is - should we talk about which influence inspired Tolkein's books, where are
all *his* symbols from? No, I gonna get out of these jungles, before I am 
helplessly lost!

/\.  
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From: 2020211@SAPHIR.ULAVAL.CA (sylvain chamberland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Svjatovyi Boi ?
Date: 28 Dec 92 07:00:09 GMT
Reply-To: 2020211@SAPHIR.ULAVAL.CA
Organization: CTI, Universite Laval

I know it's not a culture question, but a question about language, but about
the subject line, if it's meant to mean "holy war" or something like that,
should it not be "svjashchennaja boyna"? (according to my Oxford
English-Russian dictionary...)

(Sorry about the spelling, but I find it rather awkward to spell russian words
in English, for I took one Russian course as a French speaker...)

Just asking...   :)
Sylvain Chamberland
2020211@saphir.ulaval.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: HAUGLAND@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Laurie Haugland)
Subject: Transliterating Cyrillic to Latin
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:08:22 GMT

In a posting about rock lyrics, someone mentioned the difficulty of reading and
writing transliterations of Cyrillic to Latin alphabet.  I agree that this is a
particularly troublesome aspect of reading postings on this newsgroup.  Some
people use a sort of phonetic system, which confuses me because I learned to
translit. and am used to using the LC method (example: ee=eyo or cinii=ciniy)
Of course, LC uses diacritics to differentiate between ye and yo, etc.  and I
do not have the use of those on email.  It's all still readable, it just takes
some getting used to, but writing is still a pain (although I have not yet
posted in Russian on this group, I have to write and translit. alot at work).
I am curious to learn how native Russian speakers learned to translit. and
how they feel about the effectiveness of the different systems.  btw, when I
studied Russian in college, translit. was not a part of the curriculum (which
seems logical since they were teaching us to communicate in *Russian* and not
to talk to people on the net or give info to people who don't understand
Russian--which is the case with most of the people that I work with).
Just an aside, I met a couple of guys who had visited the Soviet Union and
came back calling a restaurant a PECTOPAH (pronounced pek-to-pah)--so much
for "trying" to learn the language.  They weren't trying to be funny, they
just never learned the alphabet.
 
Laurie
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:53:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <kosinov.725128753@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>>>any book -- written in Russian, Kalmyk, Native Papuan, or anything else -- which
>>>dealt with a life of a Soviet 
>
>>Landau, by Anna Livanova. 
>>V Kruge Pervom, by Solzhenitsyn.
>>....
> I rest my case. The best you can come up with is a documentary on the life
>of Russia's greatest contemporary physicist, who happens to be jewish (how much
>of the jewish life is covered in that book?), 

You did not ask for book about Jewish community, you asked about book about Soviet
Jew. You got it.

and the book by Solzhenitsyn, where
>the identity of murderers with Jewish background is described in detail, unlike
>that of the ones with Russian background.

Read the book, dude, maybe that helps. Otherwise, we have a perfect example
of biased perception. At least one of prisoners is Jew. Quite positive
character. One of managers is Jew. By end of the book he is dismissed for this.
All others are definetely Russian. Jewish manager is one of least negative.

Have a good time. 

Yury M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Soviet military training
Organization: Turku School Of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:06:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.190414.25156@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Gregory 
Dandulakis, gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU writes:
>All these which you say are trivialities between diplomats,
>at least since the "Balance of Powers" was formalized :-).
>
>Gr

Dear Gregory,

I think that all the netters do not belong to
Corps Diplomatique and those who belong
DO NOT sign their own names. Therefore I
regret to have "revealed" trivialities not
widely recognized by the voting folks of
the USA.

Is there anything in US foreign policy
that could be left on the democratic
hands of American "public" opinion?

One year president is a Great American
hero and an other year he is incapable
old man to understand economics. Try
to decide folks!

Olli
From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dimitri Vulis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Nowogodnij prizyw
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 11:41:49 EST
Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.

Sowetskie \migranty!   Nahalxnee dobiwajtesx welf\ra, fudst\mpow,
medikejda i wosxmoj programmy!

S nowym godom,
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:49:13 GMT

In article <kosinov.725062601@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

>       .....................................
>I don't know what, if any, was the standard punishment for stdying the 
>unofficial Russian philosophers, but I certainly don't recall anything in the
>Soviet press regarding people who engage in "anti-Soviet" activity by reading
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>such books. While not everithing that wasn't badmouthed in Soviet papers was
>necessarily permitted, they reflected quite accurately what activity currently
>draws the greatest ire of authorities, and is, therefore, "most strongly discou-
>raged". What the papers were full of was of people (names, addresses, and every-
>thing) of people engaged in distribution or even posession of "Zionist prpoganda"
>i.e. writings of Jewish philosophers.
>                       
>						   Greg.

You use Soviet press as reliable source ? I'm truly impressed !
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts On Culture (was  Re: Re: RENAME ?!!)
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:46:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <SCS-L%92121913333521@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:
>From:         Sergei Borodin <sergei@UPENN5.HEP.UPENN.EDU>

>>  So, why don't you go ahead and show us, individuals with "soc" and
>>  "soviet" backgrounds only, some examples of "culture". A to pizdet'
                                                               ^^^^^^^
>>  to vse gorazdy.

>I have just shown one, Serez'a.  Thank you - I did not have to go and for
>examples.

  "This is not an answer". I asked you to show us examples of culture,
  confirming my "soc" and "soviet" backgrounds.
  Anyway, I kinda apologize if the tone of my article was, let's say,
  rude.

>          * Development of software and users activities in x-USSR.  Particular-
>ly appearance of hacker's ideology as one of the main "commendments" of average
>Sovok-user.  Just out of curiousity - what happened to DVKs, Agats and Microsha?

  Hacker ideology is not particulary soviet "commendment". Hackers exist all
  over the world. In "soviet" case it also involves the fact that a stupid game
  (average $30) costs more than the work of qualified programmer. And if we
  take into an account the price of a good CAD package - an absolute necessaty
  to make any modern design - we'll see that a bunch of programmers, needed to
  remove a copyright protection from that package, will still be uncomparable
  less.
  
>Cheers,
>Timur
 
 S.B.
From: anihta@cs.bu.edu (George Panopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas everyone!
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:19:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <105675@bu.edu> simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
>When did Greece abandoned Julian Calendar, btw. Russian did it 
>only in 1918

	Greece adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1922. The Church
followed 2 years later, I think.

	George Panopoulos
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Russian Vodka/Russian America
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:58:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec24.215844.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Dec20.171248.29797@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.214422.6149@polaris.utu.fi>
> Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
> 
>> In article <1992Dec18.141338.20327@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J. Theodore
>> Schuerzinger, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu writes:
>> >"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
>> >'Russian Vodka'."
>> 
>> JTS's slogan above.
>> 
>> I think that best vodka of the world was pshenizhnaja, when
>> it's quality was controlled in the good old days. Instead of
>> grain it was distilled from wheat. It was something like
>> Bacardi!
>> 
>> I would like to hear why on earth somebody thinks that Russian
>> vodka is bad?
> 
> This vodka was specifically called 'Russian Vodka' -- all it said on
> the label was 'Russkaya Vodka'.  It's not that vodka from Russia is bad
> (Pshenichnaya and Stolichnaya are both good), it's that you shouldn't
> trust any brand of vodka that calls itself 'Russian Vodka' with no
> other name.  Also, this *was* the first time I had ever tried vodka....
>  :-)
> 
> 
> --Ted Schuerzinger
> email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
> "I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
> was 'Russian Vodka'."

Russian Vodka is an interesting expereince as far as I know. I have had some
friends try ti out, (they got it or shared it with russian friend of theirs) IT
is nasty tasting and has a kick, its supposedly is a aquired taste.. Not sure
if that all is true, I left the house before they all broke the Vodka out.. We
in Nome have some benefits for living next door to Siberia..
Yuo can get some if you know a aeroflot pilot or a pilot and have something to
trade for it.. Some Russians do not com eover with cash, and all they have are
trade goods, beeds, trinkets, and such.. It is amazing what you can supposedly
get for some jeans, rock n roll, and condoms. But I would not know..

Alaska produces a supposedl pretty good Vodka called Alyeska Vodka, based on
old Russian Formulas, after all they don't call Alaska "Russian America" for
nothing.. I have friedns who have relations in Providenya and the surrounding
villages/towns..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Nome, AK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Soviet military training
Organization: Turku School Of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:11:25 GMT

In article <15238.2b3d9d50@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> ,
viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>Dear Ms. Paloneva. I'm well equiped and ready to
>serve you at your earliest convienience. Just
>drop me a letter where and when..

In the x-USSR the so-called People's Army was
based on strict separation between the educated and
less-educated. Those who studied on university
level they just had some lectures in the University
"Military" department. This was completed with
a two-week trip to the woods. After that these
reserve "solders" were given lietenants rank.

Those who did not succeed in getting in universi-
ties or did not succeed in bying ie bribing medical
certicate had to go to army.

In the army discipline was so bad that the oldest
privates could terrorize younger ones. The non-pfo
NCO's had authority at all and also some comissioned
officers were afraid of their subordinates. Worst of
them had to be sent to distant places into "spade"
batallions.

I have heard that most ruthless privates came from
Tshesheni-Ingushia.

On the other hand you could have some military
training by being an active member of a volunteer
organisation DOSAAF. Even girls could learn to shoot
very well with AK-47 and they also knew how to handle
a parachute.

Only reliable troops of the Soviet army were professionals
and special troops like parachutists and frontier troops
controlled by KGB. I would say that it was and probably
is the only organisation that worked very well within the
system.

Many youngsters of big cities could avoid military service
through bribery and connections needed to get into univer-
sities.

I'll bet our Sovok heroes are one of them unless anything else
is proved.

Olli
From: mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:38:39 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <1992Dec26.221939.9896@ramon.bgu.ac.il>, ioffe@ivory.bgu.ac.il (Ioffe Nicolay) writes:
> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
> : In article <15192.2b35cb0f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> 
> Gospoda Vyznyuk i Martynov - Zerkalo russkoj intelligencii.
> 
> Nick.

A tebia kto siuda zval???

Ia te pokazhu "russkuiu" intelligentsiiu!!!  Nashel, to zhe mne, kak chestnykh
evreev nazyvat'!!!

Ty u menia smotri, ia tebia, blia, i v Israile dostat' smogu!!!

Respectfully,
Michael Martynov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 22:43:24 GMT

In article <102902@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>

> S.B.
> 
> P.S. As we see again, any discussion inevitably shrinks to a 
>      so called "Jewish question".

Exactly my puzzlement. Given the enormous burden and tragedy that has
befallen the peoples of Russia, why does it seem that almost every
publication and speech by Russian ultra-Nationalists inevitably shrinks to
the so-called "Jewish question"? Why soes every nationalist refuses to take
responsibility for his own action and blames Jews, Americans and
free-masons fo revery problem in his own country? If we resolve this
question, maybe we will make Jews themselves less sensitive to
ultra-nationalists, be they Russian, German, or Polish.

Vlad

Employer may disagree




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From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 22 Dec 1992 23:29:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec22.033855.18776@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>
>>Tolstoy used the second word; in Soviet language, the spelling is the same.
>
>with MuP through izhitsa. Nevertheless, the novel was printed
>under the title War and Peace, MuP through u. Apparently Tolstoy

Also, wasn't izhitsa removed from alphabet before October 1917? That was
once discussed on the net, but maybe it wan't harm to repeat? I forgot,
was it before February, too? Theta was dropped at the begining of century
or at the very end of last century.

Yury M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: visiting Tashkent
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:34:01 GMT

I will be visiting Tashkent in 1 1/2 weeks and want to know if there are any
great attractions to see over there.  Also, is there anything there that I
should buy that is different.  Is there anything really important I should 
bring -- I will be staying in an apartment with a friend. Help!!  I don't 
know anything about Tashkent.  Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanx in advance.
Randi Shimoff
(please either post or email to me.  Please title email with word Randi in 
it so my father knows it is for me and not him. Thanx again)

-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: 13900
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:35:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec24.213519.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Does anyone know of any internet/usenet/bitnet/fidonet/wwivnet/ or any other
network in Russia/old USSR? Especially in Providenya and Chokotsk areas..
Mostly for penpals purposes..

I live in Nome, AK some 90 or so miles from Siberia..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: verbit@widder.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:28:41 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Dec22.230334.12577@math.ucla.edu> aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Alexei Stolboushkin) writes:

>that's true that the first edition was printed under the title
>"BOu'HA u Mup`". There is no known explanation why did it happen.
>However, later the mistake was corrected, and the original name
>"Bou'Ha u Mip`" got restored. See for example:
>
>	L.N. Tolstoy, Bou'Ha u Mip`, Moscow, 1913.
>
>>As Bulgakov's hero said, "pozdravlyayu vas, grazhdanin, sovramshi"
>
>As Bulgakov's hero said, "pozdravlyayu vas, grazhdanin, sovramshi"
>
>
>Generally, you may like to learn a little bit on the subject of
>a discussion before participating in. I would agree that we
>cannot expect much from a person whose education didn't
>continue after Soviet high school, but at least we may expect
>him to not demonstrate his ignorance.


Dear Alexei, why do you insist on displaying more ignorance?
First, the mistake was not restored when Tolstoi lived. Second,
your should learn that all editions after 1880 were reprinted
without Tolstoi participation whatsoever. He gave all right
of correction to N. N. Strakhov and did not even monitor
his moves. This is not the high school program material,
so you are not obliged to know, but why are you so
insistent? The question how the title of the novel should 
be printed (Peace or World) is not easy, since Tolstoy 
liked the variant with World before it was printed, and 
went to like Peace more after a while, but you were
trying to correct Western translators who, most probably,
knew this story, while you don't. 

Misha.