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From: henry@bms.com (Henry Mednikoff)
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Reply-To: henry@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:41:56 GMT

In article 19665@jyu.fi, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Henry Mednikoff (henry@bms.com) wrote:
>
>: For a single russian individual living in the Baltic States Your ethnic
> statistics  is meaningless . This person does not care wether karelian
> culture and language are not up to european standards,or wether there are
> over 100mln. russians in Europe and he is majority in Europe..Big deal ! 
>: He was born in Latvia, his home & job was always there, but You want to
> displace him because he is not of your breed, you feel he does not belong
> there, he is just statistics for you.The main purpose of all changes
> in the Baltic states  is to kick ethnic russians out.
>
>Of course you are correct from that point. I just wonder some things.
>Why the fact that the russians are practically kicked out from Caucasus
>is not a matter of concern but specially Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
>Are they estimated still being a part of "New Imperium" if  Caucasus
>and Central-Asia goes off.
>
>The other thing is that sometimes I think that on this net people underestimate
>the strength of russian culture.
>
>I estimate, but of course do not know exactly, that in the Baltic states
>from individual point of view the russians face a very strage situation.
>For the first time they can I think during decades  by a Free Choise
>choose whether they apply for a citicenship of a country "x" or
>a country "y" or do I emigrate away to a country "z".
>I think it confuses because it is a new
>situation for an "x-soviet citizen". A possibility to choose freely. And I
>think some speculate and do not do their decision quickly bacause they are
>confused, do not know what is best for ME.
>
>For me this is supported by the news that very few non-estonians have
>applied in matter of fact the citizenship of Estonia even if they have
>had a right to do so. They I think that quite many are speculating (in a good
>sence of the word) and waiting and cannot choose.
>
>One weakness is of course that we have not real Balticrussians on the net,
>even Estonia's estonians are absent. We all write from outside, do we.
>: 
>regards,
>jarmo
>


There were never large numbers of russians in Georgia or Armenia.
They were and are more or less homogenious republics with rampant nationalism which
brought upon them disaster and interethnic wars with their neighbours.

Can You choose freely to emigrate if all your life was spent in Latvia for instance ?
But suddenly You are no longer wanted there.
It is not a free choice - it is ethnic clensing.
I would not be surprised if russians start armed resistance in the Baltic States.
They have a lot to loose.
But at the same time it is golden opportunity for the balts to get rid of russian population.
So both sides are on the collision course.
From: dharkins@papillon.ucsd.edu (Dan Harkins)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Bilingualism - a necessity for Hasan
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:47:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
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In article <9301062037@zuma.uucp> Hasan B. Mutlu (h.mutlu@att.att.com) writes
concerning me:

>          I venture to guess that you were a sergeant major in the
> Russian army. You were stationed in Angola, a long way from home.
> Your wife had not come out to visit you. And you have lost your
> brain cells. Any relationship to "virvir"? Well, I'll not waste words.
>
>  [ wasted words deleted ]

Strike one. Strike two. Strike three. You're outta here! Not even close.

> We need more "Harkins", I tell him. We're running out it.

What you need is a good course in English. What you're running out of is
grey matter. Were you hired at Bell Labs on an "affirmative action" policy? 
Not enough idiots on the payroll so they hired you.

My advice to you, Hasan: relax sphincter, remove head.
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Guns and  Boston Crack Dealers (Was: Dressed for Rape)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:26:40 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <9301061155.03@rmkhome.UUCP>, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> ><   And, of course, untrained idiots who bought a gun at K-Mart would never
> ><   hurt themselves or anyone else by mistake.
> >
> >	Can Kelly show where anyone asserted this?
> 
> Huh?  Are you saying that people are born with the genetic talent to use
> guns in a safe manner?

No, what he said, if you had read it, was that he DIDN'T say that, 
denied EVER having said that, and denied that anyone ELSE on the 
newsgroup had ever said that.

That having been said, all firearms accidents account for roughly
1,400 deaths a year, about 1,000 of which are hunting accidents.  
That's 50 times safer, on a per-owner basis, than automobiles (for 
which we all know how assiduously the state trains and tests operators).  

Firearms accidents kill only slightly more people than poison gas(!), 
and only about one-ninth the people killed by common falls.

So if it's not genetic, automatic, or instinctual, the average gun
owner seems to be damn good about it nonetheless.

> >	If Kelly can point to a newspaper that doesn't sensationalize
> >	any story having to do with firearms, I'll try reading it.
> 
> If reported cases of gun violence are all sensationalized nonsense, then
> I guess no one needs guns.

The Middlesex News, among other area papers, printed a bunch of nonsense
in the first set of reports about the Simon's Rock shootings to the effect
that Wayne Lo had bought his rifle mail-order.  They were all prepared to 
strike up the band to inveigh against mail-order guns.*

24 hours later, they sheepishly reported that he had NOT bought his rifle 
mail-order, but might have bought his ammo mail-order.

NONE of the papers ever bothered to mention, in their corrections, what 
the average person who knows jack-shit about firearms could have told 
them originally -- that mail-order firearms have been illegal for the
past 25 years.

*How can I impute to them this motive?  Witness the ensuing tirades
against "mail-order ammo," the only prohibition target they had left.
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Always wear your safety equipment, kiddies.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:54:02 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <9301101321.40@rmkhome.UUCP>, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> >>I always where a seatbelt.
> >
> >      Though I'm willing to be Rick doesn't know it, he just answered his
> >own question.
> 
> Ok.  If shootings in my community were happening with the same frequency 
> as car accidents, I would probably be damn sure to arm myself every time
> that I left the house.  

You've ALMOST got that right.  You only made the minor mistake of
assuming that your gun is only useful against somebody else's GUN.

For example rapists (well, YOU don't have to worry about rapists, but
some people do) don't use guns in 9 out of 10 cases, because they don't
NEED guns to bully a woman.  That doesn't mean the woman has the same
option.
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:13:55 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <9301052017.35@rmkhome.UUCP> rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <pa142548.609.726246231@utkvm1.utk.edu> pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>
>>>What was her reason for getting a license for the protection of life and
>>>property.  Business?  A substantiated attack?
>>
>>She shouldn't need a reason.  That she feels a need for resonable means of 
>>self defense should be enough.
>
>And the police are paid from the taxpayers money to protect her.

Bingo!!

Wrong.

The police, according to several court decisions, have no responsibility
to protect any individual citizen, even if they see a crime being committed
against that individual.

Don't feel too bad, though, it's a common misperception.

>>Keep a national database of convicted felons.  Have the purchaser present a 
>>driver's liscence.  Dial up the database.  If there is not a "denied" 
>>response, make the sale.  No wait, no elaborate research.
>
>So you take the responsibility away from the police, and put it on 
>the poor bastard who owns a gun store.

Sure.  The store owner isn't going to have any political pressure on him
to deny any legal customer's business.

And the pressure to deny illegal sales is still there (and perhaps more
strongly than now, since it would be harder to say "I didn't know...")



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From: random@cbnewse.cb.att.com (David L. Pope)
Subject: Re: Flag burning and term limits
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:34:25 GMT

From article <1il5irINN4vj@flash.pax.tpa.com.au>, by anon.526@pax.tpa.com.au:
> 
> Chris Bartz defends the NRA on the grounds that when it shot down
> what's-his-name in Colorado (sorry, I forget who Neal Knox said it
> was) by ragging on his vote to protect flag burning, it wasn't
> sincere,                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I give up, how am I supposed to dispose of my old, wind torn flag?
In Scouts, we were told that the only 'honorable' way to accomplish
this was through burning, followed by burial of the ashes. It seems
a little weird to think of just tossing it into the trash. Is burning
it really illegal? Maybe I should just try it and see.

	David L. Pope
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: DC is suddenly safe?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:04:46 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

i was talking to a friend yesterday and he was telling me about something
he saw on "some news show". supposedly, the murder rate in DC has dropped
80% in the last year & some other place is now the Murder Capitol of the
US. anyone else hear about this? his citation was pretty sketchy, so
i'm inclined not to believe it, but any stats from 1991/92 would be
appreciated so i can see for sure.

jason

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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Killing Machines Easily Bought In Boston (Was: Guns and  Boston Crack Dealers (Was: Dressed for Rape))
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:04:20 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <ATAYLOR.93Jan7134359@gauss.nmsu.edu>, ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:

> 	It's time that society cracked down on these killing machines;
> 	I'm surprised that Kelly isn't demanding a waiting or "cooling
> 	off" period before someone is allowed to buy a car, a
> 	background check (so that criminals won't have any cars
> 	to use to commit crimes) and Federal licensing of all car
> 	dealers, so that only good people will be in the car business.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Geez!  What do you want to do -- kill the industry and fatally damage
a grand old American tradition?
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Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:53:30 GMT
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In article <9301061208.19@rmkhome.UUCP>, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> >     (actually, Vermont has no permits; the state
> >	constitution allows concealed carry by anyone who does not
> >	have criminal intent). The experience in those states suggests
> >	very strongly that Kelly is wrong.
> 
> How do they determine criminal intent?

It's quite simple.  If you're an ex-felon, you're presumed to have it.
If you commit a crime with the gun, you're presumed to have had it.
Otherwise, they let you the hell alone, which is only reasonable.

> I'm not defending it.  I'm just saying that, in my experience, there isn't
> a high rate of illegal searches.  A legal search is declaring someone is
> under arrest, and then reading them the Miranda warning before the search
> is conducted.

That's ONE legal search.  Here's another:

"Do you mind if we search your car?"
"I'd rather you didn't."
"If you insist, we can tow it to the town yard until we can get a
 warrant to search it, and charge you for the towing and storage.
 What's it going to be?"
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From: DENNIS_@NCSU.EDU (DGA)
Subject: Homosexual topics in this forum
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:44:12 GMT

I beg all involved in this forum to resist allowing this group to be 
CONSUMED by discussion related to homosexuals, heterosexuals, nosexuals, or 
any other sexuals.  There are many newsgroups that exist for the purpose of 
airing Internet user's feeling concering sexual orientation.  I hope anyone 
whose reason for being is having sex with whomever or whatever will find a
better forum for expressing their views than this one.

Personal view:  I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU DO SEXUALLY UNTIL IT AFFECTS 
ME OR MINE, YOU INSIST ON DOING IT IN MY FACE, OR YOU ATTEMPT TO FORCE ME TO 
CONDONE IT.

YES, AT THIS POINT I AM SHOUTING!

DGA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: The Society for the Preservation of Human Life
Organization: Western Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:43:15 GMT

I think this anon crank is just the same Susan/Brian she-male 
liar that was posting from .au using several names last year.

I sent the following 1-8-92 but have gotten no response to date.
If he/she does not respond the only conclusion readers can come 
to is that the "SPHL" is a society with one member, and one 
whose only member is the very same compulsive liar whose names 
were discredited on this board in the past.

Please keep the distribution line limited to North America.
The letter follows.
-----------------------------------------------------------
	In talk.politics.guns you write:
>Brought to you by the Society for Preservation of Human Life.

	How can I join the SPHL?   Is it an international organization
	or is membership limited to citizens of Australia?  How many
	members are there other than yourself? 
Eager to learn more,
Jim Del Vecchio
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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:46:52 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <9301051928.44@rmkhome.UUCP> rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <pa142548.600.726243641@utkvm1.utk.edu> pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>>
>>Why? There is no way to prevent someone who is not "psycologically able" 
>>from getting a handgun.  All you can do is place a political tool at the
>>hands of people who think that no one should own a handgun.
>
>And what about people with felony records?

Thought that was already taken care of. (It's illegal to sell to anyone
with a felony record.)

Go to a gun shop some time and ask if they'll let you read a Form
4473.  Oh yes, a waiting period doesn't buy you much that a 5 minute
procedure can't already give you.  (The police seem to be able to get
the relevant information in that time or less whenever they stop a
vehicle.)

>>It takes one minute to train even an idiot to not hurt themselves or 
>>others:  don't point the end with the hole in it at anything you don't want 
>>a hole in.
>
>There is slightly more to it than that.

Not much more.  I taught my (15, 14, and 9 year old) kids the necessary
stuff in about 5 minutes.

We reinforce it periodically.  The youngest one can recite the four basic
rules of safety off the top of his head if asked.  Easily.  (His sisters
now cringe whenever they see unsafe gun handling on TV or in a movie.
They know the right (safe) way to handle firearms, and expect others to
follow the rules.  And they're not afraid to speak up about it.)

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From: jrh@mustang.dell.com (Randy Howard)
Subject: NRA Requirements (was: How many gays are there in the NRA?
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:16:00 GMT

lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:

>Your mileage may vary.  The NRA has 3,000,000 members and membership
>is open to anyone who satisfies membership requirements; 

I've seen a lot of talk in here about 'forms' and 'requirements' to join
the NRA.  When I joined, I called their magic 800 number, and was asked 
the following:

1) Do you want the standard or the lifetime membership?	(standard)
2) Would you be interested in a 3yr or 5yr membership? (not at this time)
3) Would like American Rifleman or American Hunter magazine?
4) Would you like to pay by credit card?
5) what's the number and expiration date?
6) Name, address, zip.
7) birthdate.

that's it.  they didn't ask for me any other qualifying questions, other
than how much did I want to spend.  I was a bit disappointed actually,
I thought they might at least try and find out something useful about the
members of their organization other than their name, age, and credit card
account number.  Oh well, I suppose that they figure if you join, you're 
simply pro-gun, and that's all they need to know.  (and of course what your
address is to contact you for renewal next year :-)

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Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:26:18 GMT
Reply-To: rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly)

In article <pa142548.610.726246327@utkvm1.utk.edu> pa142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>In article <9301041915.56@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>       As someone who A) has money, and B) has never purchased narcotics
>>>I find this very, very scary.  What, then, if they decide that can
>>>prevent shootings by confiscating guns, beating by confiscating baseball
>>>bats, and child abuse by confiscating children?
>>>       And where exactly did good intentions turn into a police state?
>>
>>This could easily be an anti vehicle registration and insurance debate.
>>
>
>PRECISELY!  Vehicle registration is JUST a revenue generator for the state, 
>and does NOTHING to prevent crime.  

However, if vehicle registration and insurance were made optional, the
banks would quickly lose interest in providing car loans.

There is a company in Massachusetts that sells a car anti-theft device
called the Lojack.  If someone steals your car, you call the police and
give them your number, and they activate a homing device in your car and
track it down from a receiver in the squad car.  There is a high possibility
that the police could use this device to keep track of people.  The Lojack
company donated receivers to all the police departments in the state.

You can get a substantial discount from your insurance company for installing
Lojack, so they are selling briskly.

Now that's scarey.

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: PGP v. 2.1 Released
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:00:49 GMT

Why is use of PGP illegal?
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From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:09:10 GMT

In article <9301092346.39@rmkhome.UUCP> rmkhome!rmk@merk.com (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <1ii89nINNn9d@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>
>I don't see $100 per year as excessive.

You don't, I do.  Difference in opinion.

>>Maybe if you sit in an air-conditioned computer lab all day.  If you
>>work in a shelter, or a tavern, or a welfare office, or on a road crew,
>>your mileage WILL vary.
>
>I guess you're right about that.  I was ribbed at gunpoint when I used to
>drive a cab in college.

I'm assuming you meant "robbed", if not, I have no idea what to make
of it.  So, you were robbed, you just demonstrated that it can happen.

>There aren't many large, densely populated cities where it is easy to get
>a gun.

Indianapolis, Indiana.  No problems at all.  They also have a fairly
low crime rate (for a big city).

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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Dressed for Rape
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:25:33 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <9301061627.25@rmkhome.UUCP>, rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> >>>It takes one minute to train even an idiot to not hurt themselves or 
> >>>others:  don't point the end with the hole in it at anything you don't want 
> >>>a hole in.

> >>There is slightly more to it than that.

> >More to what?  Shooting, or not having a gun accident?  Certainly
> >training someone to shoot with any accuracy requires more training
> >than "don't point it at people", but basic safety is, well, basic, at
> >the level of "don't stick your hand into the blades of a running lawn
> >mower" or "don't mix bleach and ammonia".  Oddly enough, I know people
> >who've failed to obey both of these rules (with the obvious
> >consequences), but I don't know anyone who has been injured in a gun
> >accident.

> I know several.  One of them made the grave mistake of buying the poor
> excuse for a gun that Walther sells these days.  His PPK liked to jam
> at frequent intervals.  He tried to clear a jam by tapping it on a gun
> rest at a range, and shot himself in the foot.

Snrk.  In a discussion of the claim that "there is more to basic gun 
safety than just not pointing the end with the hole in it at something 
you don't want to shoot," Kelly cites, as illustration, a case of an 
idiot who pointed the end with the hole in it at his own foot...
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