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From: hkim@athena.mit.edu (Heekyung Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Is it worth to take weekend tennis clinic @$350?
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:31:42 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Hello tennis experts,

This is my first post in this news group. I've been playing (maybe learning) 
tennis for years, though off and on. This summer I took a class for two months, which had 2 times/week - 1 hour sessions. I've learned backhand stroke, 
top spin, volley, and service. My backhand is getting comfortable now. But my
volley and service are not getting better as much as I want. So I am thinking
about another class. Then I saw weekend tennis schools in Tennis magazine.

I am living in Boston area. I called several places, and found out Sugarbush 
Tennis School has empty spot for the labor day weekend. The cost is around 
$350. My question is whether this investment would help me jump up one level
up. In terms of hours of class session, this weekend clinic is slightly more
than my summer tennis class's one month class hour. Could anyone recommend
(or not) with the previous experience with this kind of school?
I think I am at the top group of beginner or at the low end of intermediate
level.

Thanks in advance.
P.S. either e-mail or posting in this news group is fine.
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From: graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews)
Subject: Re: Complaints on racquets
Organization: School of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Sydney
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:59:19 GMT

(Charles Lin) writes:
>   Speaking of power, or more appropriately, the thing that
>power is supposed to be robbing, namely strategy.  Which
>player is the smartest player, as far as strategy is
>concerned?   The only ones I can think of off-hand are
>mostly retired.  Mats Wilander and Miloslav Mecir.
>Mats tended to mix things up.  He would come to the
>net and sometimes defend.   Mecir had a different strategy.
>He would hit floaters, then pow, go for a winning shot.
>It was his ability to confuse his opponent that made
>Mecir a wonder to watch.  Too bad he lacked the motivation
>and the health to play better than he did.   McEnroe
>might also be a choice, as well as Becker.   It's
>easier to choose a player with no big weapons since they 
>either have to be steady and determined (Chang or Washington)
>or have some guile.   I suppose I could even go back as far
>as Gene Mayer, but I've only seen him play a couple of times
>and not even recently.   Any further back, and I was too young.
>(Bobby Riggs was supposed to be a tricky player.)

I think Borg was a great strategist. He could play different games
based on the surfance, opponent etc, and regularly did this.
Of the more modern players I think McEnroe is (and was) a good
strategist, Agassi is learning and learning fast (at Wimbledon
this was the biggest improvement in his game I thought), and
Edberg. I think Becker is an awful strategist - trying to rally
from the baseline against Agassi is not smart strategy! Ivanesivic
is another who lacks strategic ideas.

>    Among the women, hmmm.   I can't think of one off hand.
>Maybe Hana.  But I never thought she thought so well
>on court.   

Of the older players Billy Jean King and Maureen Conolly would
be my picks for strategy, and maybe Martina. Of the modern players
Sabitini is pretty good as is Arantxa Sanchez. Steffi needs a lesson 
in varying her game plan as does Seles.

graham
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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: ATP Rankings (was: US Open prediction)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:01:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Several people have questioned the ATP rankings I posted yesterday.
Those rankings are for this week, and I too find the points (and
therefore the rankings) for certain players strange. Unfortunately,
I haven't been able to find an independent source to confirm (or
correct) those rankings. Neither the New York Times nor the USA Today
published them today.

Moreover, seeding for a tournament is usually determined by the
rankings in the week BEFORE that tournament begins. For example,
the draw for the US Open will be determined some time this week
(probably Thursday or Friday), and seeding will be based on
this week's ranking. Therefore the results at the Hamlet Cup
this week will not affect the seedings for the US Open. For the
same reason, Lendl is seeded ahead of Korda at the Hamlet Cup
because Lendl ranked higher than Korda last week.

Again, unlike Wimbledon, the US Open usually bases their seeding
strictly on rankings. I'll post the US Open draws when they are
available. Also as usual, no predictions from me. :-)
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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: ATP Rankings (was: US Open prediction)
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:16:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.193849.20126@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
>
>As of August 24, 1992
>
>1. Jim Courier, United States,         3,696
>2. Stefan Edberg, Sweden,              3,503
>3. Pete Sampras, United States,        3,116
>4. Michael Chang, United States,       2,179
>5. Goran Ivanisevic, Croatia,          2,154
>6. Petr Korda, Czechoslovakia,         1,895
>7. Boris Becker, Germany,              1,892
>8. Andre Agassi, United States,        1,889
>9. Ivan Lendl, United States,          1,873
>10. Carlos Costa, Spain,               1,655

I saw these ranking from UPI, and they look totally bogus. For example:

1) Edberg increased his points substantially, so the New Haven tournament
    was obviously included, as the "through August 24" implies. Yet:

2) Lendl decreased by 9 points, from 1882 last week, even though his 1991
    result at New Haven was to lose in the second round to Marc Rosset,
    and his 1992 result was to beat Matsuoka, Mansdorf and Chang (good
    bonus points on all 3 matches) and get to the semifinals.

3) Petr Korda won at New Haven last year, lost in the quarters this year,
    and moves UP in the rankings.

4) Becker lost in the finals at Indianapolis last year, lost in the semis
    this year, and moves up in the rankings and in points.


Something fishy is going on here, without a doubt.
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From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: US Open - Tuesday comments (spoilers)
Organization: Brown University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:08:51 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <1992Sep2.045050.19437@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)

>took the second 6-2.   Capriati has been this a lot lately.
>Getting behind then coming from behind to win.  I think
>she did against Anke Huber.

I don't see much difference about these two(Capriati and Huber). The only
thing they know is hitting the ball as hard as they can(Capriati may
be more consistent). To beat them, you either hit harder than them
(it's hard to do) or play smart such as Jagerman(?) did at the first a
few games yesterday against Capriati, mixed it up. When these two start
to learn the word STRATEGY, they will be hard to beat. As for now,
they can either beat anyone or lose to anyone.

Quan
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From: huseby@mars.nr.no (Ragnar Bang Huseby)
Subject: Re: Did These Two Postings Get Out on the Net?
Organization: /nr/pluto/u3/huseby/.organization
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:59:00 GMT

Yes
From: v118jxyk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Live Fast, Die Young!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: WANTED: US Open Draws
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	People seem to know alot about who each of the seeded players are
facing in the first round, but does anyone have the full men's and women's draw
yet, and if so, could someone post both of them here.

					Jason
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From: ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  )
Subject: US Open results ??
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:30:29 GMT

Hey, folx,

is it the distribution of this newsgroup so slow ?
Or does nobody post ?
What's going on in the US open ?!! I only heared Anke Huber is out alreday,
and that's it for me.
Could anyone post what's happening, *please* ?

TV-less math-rat,
                   Cordula
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Hope Conners is gone soon
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 14:00:36 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep3.185245.6776@almserv.uucp> s5ugxk@fnma.COM writes:
>Hope conners is gone from US open soon. I am already sick of this
>glowing reports of connors beating a lowly ranked injured player.
>Soon we will be seeing abuse of umpires saying " I am busting my ass
>here and you are calling that ball out " and some such ridiculous
>statements from him.
>
>I would like to see real tennis, not tennis based on how the lines
>man should call a game based on age of the player.
>

Yeah, and I am sure Jaime Oncins would love to see some real tennis also...
Maybe he can watch it on TV....
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From: ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  )
Subject: Pete Sampras
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:02:41 GMT

Hey !

I'm a desperate fan of Pete Sampras, but I seem to be the only one in
Germany. :-(  It's hard to get any information about him here (except 
"born on... in..., righthanded" etc.)

How does American press treat him ? How do Americans think of him ?
Germans say, he's incredibly boring, though he plays good tennis.
(Boring?? Never saw a tennis-player who was as exciting as Pete!!)

I'd be really glad, if anyone could answer and tell me, if everyone in the
USA is Boom-Boom-fan or not ? Besides, are there any Stich-fans ?
I like him, as most people here do, but you might think different ;-)

Thanx for posting and/or emails
                                 Cordula

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From: j-nolan@midway.uchicago.edu (John Nolan)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Connors
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:03:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.162320.1166@chpc.utexas.edu>, eddie@chpc.utexas.edu (John McEnroe) writes:
> 
>  With five U.S. Open titles to his name, Jimmy Connors had already
> written himself into the annals of tennis history. But last year
> with an unforgettable display of talent and determination, Connors
> added another chapter to tennis history books by becoming the
> second-oldest-semifinalist in the U.S. Open history at the venerable
> age of 39. Through five incredible rounds Connors dispatched players
> 15 to 20 years his junior to reach the U.S. Open semifinals for the
> 14th time.
> 
> Info from Supplement to Tennis Magazine
> 
> Eddie
> 
>     Austin, Texas - Center of the known universe. :-)
> -- 
> Eddie Hedges          
> eddie@chpc.utexas.edu 

I hope that this means Connors has recovered from his poor performance 
at the U. S Hardcourts, where Jimmy appeared to be more concerned with
clowning it up for the croud than whipping his opponents!

John 
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From: ravikane@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ravindra Shantaram Kane)
Subject: us open draw
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:24:55 GMT
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Pete Sampras
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:04:02 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Aug25.150241.28787@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de>, ratte@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (  Cordula Reineke  ) writes:
> Hey !
> 
> I'm a desperate fan of Pete Sampras, but I seem to be the only one in
> Germany. :-(  It's hard to get any information about him here (except 
> "born on... in..., righthanded" etc.)
> 
> How does American press treat him ? How do Americans think of him ?
> Germans say, he's incredibly boring, though he plays good tennis.
> (Boring?? Never saw a tennis-player who was as exciting as Pete!!)
> 
> I'd be really glad, if anyone could answer and tell me, if everyone in the
> USA is Boom-Boom-fan or not ? Besides, are there any Stich-fans ?
> I like him, as most people here do, but you might think different ;-)
> 
> Thanx for posting and/or emails
>                                  Cordula
> 

    It was recently mentioned that Connors felt a lot of the
top players do not have the kind of flashy personalities that
he, McEnroe, Gerulaitis, or Nastase had (even Borg may have
been more popular.

    So, despite Sampras's ability to play well (and he tends
to play only well close to the US Open),  I'm not sure he
has the same following as an Agassi.   Certainly, the press
is not negative on him.  I think they think of him as a nice
person, a laid-back sort of personality who doesn't appear
to take tennis as intensely as someone like Becker or Courier.
However, I'm not sure he gets quite the coverage that
Agassi or Becker do since he hasn't been quite as successful
or flashy.   

    I haven't seen Pete play much, though I think he's quite
a good all-around player, and talent-wise may be comparable
to Becker.  He can serve and volley or stay back.  His weaknesses
are a lack of intensity, but when he's healthy, that may actually
be OK, since he doesn't seemed to feel as much pressure.

    Who do I like to watch?  I like to watch Lendl, Korda, Edberg,
Agassi, Leconte, and sometimes Forget.

--
Charles Lin 
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: steven@si30.b30.ingr.com (Steven Skibinski)
Subject: How do you organize a tournament
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:21:43 GMT


Can someone please post information about how to organize a 
local tennis tournament. 

We have a doubles and singles tennis pyramid. 
I would like to focus on the doubles.  We only have 4 courts,
so this will allow the maximum number of people to play.

I need answers to questions like :
    1) How many teams should we have play
    2) How do you keep score
    3) How to decide who plays whom



Thank in advance

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From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: ATP Rankings (was: US Open prediction)
Organization: Brown University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:51:48 GMT

>As of August 24, 1992

>1. Jim Courier, United States,         3,696
>2. Stefan Edberg, Sweden,              3,503
>3. Pete Sampras, United States,        3,116
>4. Michael Chang, United States,       2,179
>5. Goran Ivanisevic, Croatia,          2,154
>6. Petr Korda, Czechoslovakia,         1,895
>7. Boris Becker, Germany,              1,892
>8. Andre Agassi, United States,        1,889
>9. Ivan Lendl, United States,          1,873
>10. Carlos Costa, Spain,               1,655
>11. Michael Stich, Germany,            1,584
>12. Wayne Ferreira, South Africa,      1,551
>13. Guy Forget, France,                1,524
>14. MaliVai Washington, United States, 1,523
>15. Richard Krajicek, Netherlands,     1,385
>16. Aaron Krickstein, United States,   1,379
>17. Thomas Muster, Austria,            1,216
>18. John McEnroe, United States,       1,210

>Lendl could potentially bump into one of the top seeds
>in the round of 16, depending on the draw. Same for Becker
>n the quarter final.
>- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
The top 5 rankings are right but I thought Lendl and Becker should
rank 6 and 7, respectively after yesterday. Korda lost a lot of points
by losing early at Volvo and Lendl overtook Agassi by reaching
semifinal. So if they are seeding today, it's unlikely Lendl
will meet one of top seeds at round of 16. Anyway, even Lendl happens
to lose this week at Hamlet and falls out of top 8 and meet a top seed
at round of 16, there still are two top seeds there he should be able to
handle.(I am talking about Courier and Chang).

By the way, anybody has the latest ranking?

Quan
From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open prediction (mens)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:46:06 GMT
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center

>>the top 10 wins. My pick for the US open mens champ: 
>>OP 10' ( hopefully Edberg ( although not likely
>>considering his poor form))         
>>
Gosh, this is definitely my pick for the "most inane post concerning the
>'92 US Open" award :-) You are PICKING Edberg, and at the same time
>admitting he is unlikely to win considering his poor form !!!  What exactly
>are you trying to say, Hari?
>
 
Read the post again, Brainiac.  Stefan Edberg is in the top 10.
He's just HOPING Edberg will win.  DUHHHHHH!!!

-- Zeke.
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Complaints on racquets
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:20:24 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park


   No, no, this isn't a lament on my racquet (which feels a lot
better strung at lower tensions).  This is a comment on some
announcers saying how the new racquets have caused the
increase in power.   The funny thing is that most of the
racquets used (esp. by the men) are normal width racquets
and midsize to oversized racquets have been on the market
for over ten years (with Pam Shriver popularizing the
Prince Pro in 1978).   I wonder if there is a danger of
more power with the widebodies.  I'm sure more of them
will show up in the upcoming years (if for no other reason
than Wilson and Prince giving free racquets to promising 
juniors -- their latest line, most likely).

   Speaking of power, or more appropriately, the thing that
power is supposed to be robbing, namely strategy.  Which
player is the smartest player, as far as strategy is
concerned?   The only ones I can think of off-hand are
mostly retired.  Mats Wilander and Miloslav Mecir.
Mats tended to mix things up.  He would come to the
net and sometimes defend.   Mecir had a different strategy.
He would hit floaters, then pow, go for a winning shot.
It was his ability to confuse his opponent that made
Mecir a wonder to watch.  Too bad he lacked the motivation
and the health to play better than he did.   McEnroe
might also be a choice, as well as Becker.   It's
easier to choose a player with no big weapons since they 
either have to be steady and determined (Chang or Washington)
or have some guile.   I suppose I could even go back as far
as Gene Mayer, but I've only seen him play a couple of times
and not even recently.   Any further back, and I was too young.
(Bobby Riggs was supposed to be a tricky player.)

    Among the women, hmmm.   I can't think of one off hand.
Maybe Hana.  But I never thought she thought so well
on court.   

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Subject: Tennis Babes
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00397-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:14:20 GMT



Hello. This is my first post here.

I would like to know how many guys out there think that
Monica Selles (sp), Jenifer Cap. and Gabriel Sab. (sorry about
the abbrev., I don't know how to spell them.) are the hottest
babes in the world in tennis skirts!

Especially when they get all sweaty and shiny!!!!


Comments--- no flames.



Chris
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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: Prize Money Records
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:38:15 GMT


Let's add another category: Number of times ranked #1 in prize money for
a calendar year:

Ivan Lendl       6    1982-1983, 1985-1987, 1989
Rod Laver        3    1969-1971
John McEnroe     3    1980-1981, 1984
Ilie Nastase     2    1972-1973
Stefan Edberg    2    1990-1991
Tony Roche       1    1968
Jimmy Connors    1    1974
Arthur Ashe      1    1975
Raul Ramirez     1    1976
Guillermo Vilas  1    1977
Eddie Dibbs      1    1978
Bjorn Borg       1    1979
Mats Wilander    1    1988

Pretty amazing that Jimmy Connors was in the top 5 without being number 1
for so many years. Especially as he finished #1 in the computer rankings
for several years in a row after 1974.

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