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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Scud Prevails in Ugly Affair
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


 The Raiders whipped a pathetic-looking Broncos team minus their leader, 
John Elway, 24-0.  Jay Schroeder was something like 16-30 for over 200 yards,
three TD's and no INT's.  Eric Dickerson ran for 107 yards on 16 attempts,
99 of which came in the first half when the Raiders generated the majority of
their offense.  Terry McDaniel had two long interception returns on pickoffs
from Tommy Maddox, making his first (I believe) start.
  Despite the overwhelming margin of victory, the game left me uneasy.  With 
the exception of Buffalo, the Raiders haven't really stuffed a high-powered
offense all year.  The Dallas and Philly games were embarassing examples of
that fact.  The real reason for this is that the offense has been so woefully
inconsistent, the defense has to stay out on the field for far too long,
exhausting them late.  This is when the Raiders have folded--several times.
They should have beaten Denver the first time and Cincy.  They hung tough
with Dallas and KC til the late periods.  And the same thing happened in
the third quarter--the Raiders' defense played soft, and the offense went three
and out several times.  Luckily, the Raiders took advantage of the fact that
Maddox was a rook, and prevented him from making the big plays that Elway 
would have made.  Oddly enough, Maddox had an anti-Elway sort of day:
decent stats (200 yards, something like 70% of his passes complete) but a loss,
and no big plays.  Elway can throw cans of ham in the air for three quarters,
but will suddenly decide to win at the end.  
  The defense fed on their own success.  The pass rush was excellent, coverage
was fantastic, and they even stuffed the run.  Of note was Aaron Wallace,
who Todd Christensen said was trying to step up and become a complete
linebacker.  1st round draft pick Chester McGlockton had his first career sack.
About time.
  Eric Dickerson abused the Broncos defense in the first half, but didn't do
much in the second.  The 3rd quarter was one of the least memorable in recent
Raiders offensive history.  However, the Raiders avoided mistakes and made the
Broncs work for whatever yardage they amassed.  The real problem with the 
Raiders offense this year is not that it's been conservative, but that it's 
been ineptly executed.  Not today.  Nick Bell did a good job of taking 
advantage of weary Denver defenders in the 4th quarter, getting several 
punishing runs in.  
  The Raiders still have San Diego twice, KC @ home, Miami on Monday night,
and the Redskins.  They have a legitimate shot at winning all of these,
but it will take the discipline and execution shown tonight.  San Diego's
running game is worrisome, as is Anthony Miller.   

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Don't worry about the missed free throw, Christian.  We all make mistakes."
--Richard Nixon to Christian Laettner, after he missed the front end of a 
one-and-one with one second left, playing Arizona
From: dpp@cray.com (David Peterschmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: dpp@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article 14267@macc.wisc.edu, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.122814.27424@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes...
>
>>"only" the Packers??!! Maybe none of you have realized it but the Packers have
>>vastly improved the last two games.  I would not be at all surprised to see the
>>Pack finish up at 8-8, not bad considering Favre is just a second year man.
>>Not to mention the fact that it's Holmgrems(or however you spell it) first year
>>as head coach.  "Only" the Packers??!!  I'm not surprised at all over their win
>>this Sunday, after all, it was ONLY the Eagles.
>
>I dunno.  I'm not convinced.  It was only a month ago that they were 
>getting stomped by the Bears, who, in case you haven't noticed, aren't 
>the Monsters of the Midway anymore.  The defense has been playing good 
>ball but I still think a good passing team can pick the secondary 
>apart.  The pass rush has been decent enough the last 3 weeks but I 
>think the first 7 games are more indicitive of what you can expect 
>from them than the last 3.


I grant that the Packer DL has probably been playing better than their
talent would indicate the last three weeks, but do you really think
they'll slip back to the way they were early in the season?  I think
not.  All last year they were a solid, if not flashy, group.  I
attribute their weak stretch early this season to learning the new
1-gap scheme of Ray Rhodes.  The D appears to be jelling somewhat now, 
and I expect they'll play sound football the rest of the year.

My $.02


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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: THE BET II: final list
Originator: delarocq@c00057-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:39:37 GMT




  The Bills arrived.. and the Dolphin fans came in weak number to prove
  that their team was better...
  It only shows that the Bills fans of this net are more willing to take
  a risk. The only 4 Dolphin fans I admire are the ones willing to take
  THE BET II. All others are not true Dolphin fans.....
  If the Bills win, I'm gonna come down hard on any Dolphin fan not on
  the final list.... Be prepared! The trash talking will get 10,000,000 x
  bigger if the Bills win. If the Bills lose, the only legit woofs come
  from Dan, Richard, Jim, and doug the dolfan... I will ignore all others!!!
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles @ Giants
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:42:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:


>A newspaper here in Philly put the Giants as the favorite against the Eagles
>this Sunday.  Can somebody tell me why is that so?  What r the criterias of
>choosing which team is the favorite besides a home game?? Thanks in advance.
>Hasta Luego.

>GO EAGLES!!!

I THINK if the spread is 3 points or less, then they give the advantage
to the home team.  Can anyone verify this?


Ken
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Screwed Up!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:29:30 GMT

It seems I messed up the results for Week 11 because of the TB-Bears game.

I will regrade and repost later today...assuming I can pull myself out
of depression.

-davewood
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From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Central Stadings
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:00:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <92328.145115RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Question : Does Minnesota win the division next week if they should win and
>Green Bay should lose?  Just checking.
>-Rob

	Well, currently Minnesota is 8-3, and Green Bay is 5-6.
	Minnesota wins making them 9-3, Green Bay loses making them 5-7.
	Minnesota then loses all of their games, making them 9-7.
	The Pack win all of theirs, making them 9-7. The would have
	identical records, they would have split the season series, but
	Minnesota would have a 6-2 division record, and Green Bay would
	be 5-3. Therefore, I beleive Minnesota would clinch.

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: New Orleans' coaching....
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:50:35 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


In the latest edition of SI, there is severe criticism about 
the coaching of Mora in the New Orlean/SF game, last week.

In the words of the author, " Not to take anything away from Young,
but this victory by the 9ers was a gift by the NO coaching staff.".

When u are ahead 20-7, why don't u run the ball as u did most of the
game. Instead, the Saints resort to passing and give the ball
back in 1.26 mins.  To top it all, in the last drive with 40 secs
remaining and 3 time outs left, they bleed the clock on their
first play to only 19 seconds, while they have a super-kicker
at their side lines waiting for his chance at glory."

After the game when Mora was asked about the game, he said "
Everything was fine, except for the last time out situation".
This is akin to asking somebody: How was ur voyage on the Titanic
and getting an answer: Everything was fine except for the ice-berg
which sunk the ship.

My Comments: As pathetic as the coaching was, I should say this.

The Saints are chokers when it comes to the 9ers... They just
plain choke and that's it......what else can one say here.
I should say that I have more sympathy for the Saints than for
the 9ers....but Championship Caliber teams like the 9ers do
NOT choke in big games.  And that is what seperates the men
from the boys.

S.H
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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Reply-To: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI 48202
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:13:19 GMT


DV>In article <1992Nov13.173610.4203@wam.umd.edu>, emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes...
DV>>I'm afraid to wake up all you people 
DV>	
DV>	I think I'm awake.  Pretty hard to type while you're asleep.
DV>
DV>
DV>>Hmmmmmm. 
DV>	
DV>	Get that penis out of your mouth.
DV>
DV>>On any given day  
DV>>an NFC team (the worst) can beat the best AFC team.  
DV>
DV>	Haven't we heard that before?  That any team can beat any other team on
DV>any given day??  *sigh*
DV>
DV>
DV>>I don't see any change either.   
DV>
DV>	I don't see any intelligence, either.
DV>
DV>>Call me biased because the Cowboys are in the NFC.  
DV>
DV>	How about I call you biased because you're just plain stupid?
DV>
DV>Jon




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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: THE BET III
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:37:59 GMT

I'll take the NFC, please.


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:36:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.191943.5908@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

>Super Bowls rematches:
>
>          regular season                   Super Bowl
>[...]
>1981        49ers (?)                         49ers (26-21)
                    ^
                     21-3.  The game was Walsh's chance to rub Paul
Brown's nose in the fact that Brown had bypassed Walsh twice for
the Bengals' head coaching job.
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:04:00 GMT

In article <26606@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:

>From article <1992Nov17.022745.20060@netcom.com>, by mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers):

>> In other years, I've felt the best 5 or 6 teams came from the NFC.

>Earth to raving NFC lunatic, come in please.  
>
>The sheer audacity of this bald-faced pronouncement forces me (against
>my better instincts) to ask for a reality check and perhaps narrow 
>down a particular year and the particular teams in question.  
>Then we can quibble about scores and records. 

Since I didn't expect at the time that I'd be challenged by an NFC-phobe
someday, I didn't take good notes.  Working from memory, I believe that
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Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Montana On Practice Squad
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:44:42 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00105-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu




  One comment.. Montana.. give it up.. :)
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:37:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.173026.2367@cnsvax.uwec.edu> rantalmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>As far as Randall's comments--no big deal, it was only Randall Cunningham, not 
>>like it a GOOD player who said it.  
>>
>>Matt Rantala
>>Eau Claire, Wi
>>(no sig. required)


>Priceless!  Truly priceless.  He wasn't benched for this game but still most
>of the game on the sidelines are  the Packers walked all over the gag-green
>defense.  


All this from a Giants fan!  How does 7 out of the last 8 times grab
you?  You think if you manage to win this weekend 7 out of the last
9 times sounds much better?

Now this is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriot Fans, Good News!
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00105-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu




  Hmmm... nice Colts logo.. is the Redskins one stored away in a file, 
 collecting dust??? I mean, after that K.C. loss today, it's gonna be
 there a while!!!! :)

  You know I'm just picking with you.. After all, I had to say something!!
  (My posting days might be over tomorrow night, so I have to respond..)
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
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From: tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Dolphins still suck (but are lucky)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:37:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.053607.24269@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>So, if we can't stop Lorenzo White, and we need a missed 41-yarder
>in order to win -- then what kind of chance to we have next week
>in New Orleans, who have Hilliard, Heyward and Morten Anderson?
>
>I smell fried fish, cajun style.
>
>--Gidi
>

No chance. It amazes me that the Fins are getting by on the efforts of
the defense. They need an offensive line. They need some serious help.

Tony (go new orleans) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:22:56 GMT

I
|> >I checked the paper for the odds today and found two games
|> >listed as follows:
|> >
|> >N.Y. Giants v Philadelphia,off
|> >L.A. Raiders v Denver,off
|> >
|> >What does the "off" mean? 
|
|> I think it means that the line is even.. i.e either team could win.
|> 
|> correct me if I'm wrong tho

Consider this a correction...I believe "off" means "off the board", as in, no action will be taken on these games.  I can understand the Raiders Broncos game being "off" because of the uncertainty of Elway's status for the game (the spread would be changed....but since no one knows for sure what Elway's status is, the bookies will refuse bets becuase they don't want to take the risk)

I have no idea why the Giants?Eagles game would be listed as "off".

Dick Harkness
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:25:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:

>If .300 is the Packers winning percentage over the last twenty years it's
>certainly higher than the Eagles.  Plus, have you already forgotten the
>manhandling the Pack gave you last week?  Hey, what have the Eagles done for us
>lately?  Except screw up every season.

Manhandling?  I thought it was a field goal at :00, not to mention deemed
an upset.

When was the last time Green Bay was .500?
When was the last time Green Bay was a Wild Card?
When was the last time Green Bay was the division winner?
When was the last time Green Bay was the NFC champion?
When was the last time Green Bay was in the Super Bowl?

It would seem every season is a screw up for "Da Pack."
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: New Orleans' coaching....
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:05:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1ejqc5INNi7a@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
|In article <By15sB.ECt@ns1.nodak.edu>,

[...]

|The Saints were UNABLE to run the ball all day.  Rag as we may on
|the Niner pass rush, they do shut down a run.

Indeed, they are the second in the league in stopping the run.



-- 
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    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
                      Kenneth Boulding                             

					All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
						david@cats.ucsc.edu.
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:35:11 GMT

In article <26485@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>From article <1992Nov15.060705.17498@netcom.com>, by mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers):
>>>Yes, quite.  The best of the NFC is clearly superior to what the NFC offers.
>>>As evidence, consider the average margins of victory in the NFC championship
>>>games.  The best team each year just happens to be from the NFC.  It happens
>>>to be merely a coincidence.   
>> 
>> Some coincidence.  Eight in a row, most in a blowout.
>
>Consider, for a moment the strings "NNNNNNNN" and "NANANNAA".
>Choosing from a random collection of strings of length 8 over
>the alphabet {N,A}, what is the probability of choosing each
>of the above strings?  Exactly the same.  Yes, it is a mere 
>coincidence.
>
>Curtis Dyreson

Sorry Curtis.  Go back and read your probablility book.  You
have assumed that N, A are chosen with identical probability.
Given the a posteriori distribution on "NNNNNNNN" one would
sensibly alter the estimate of P, the probability of the
NFC winning.  Your logic is primitive.








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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov18.134738.1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca>, kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca writes...
>I checked the paper for the odds today and found two games
>listed as follows:

>N.Y. Giants v Philadelphia,off
>L.A. Raiders v Denver,off

>What does the "off" mean? 

What this means is that the people who set the line don't want to see bets on
it, so they fail to set a line (as they tried to do in last week's Colts-Pats
game.)

I know the Denver game was off for a while because nobody knew if Elway would
play or not.  No idea on the Philly-Giants game, though...

>KM

"The only thing backlash ever created--through all history--was more backlash."
					---Chet Zeshonski

An appropriate quote for this .newsgroup if I ever saw one...
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