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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: They Heard The Cries Of Hatred And Vengeance Against The Jews, 'Pol*.'
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:36:25 GMT





<2257.3244.uupcb@factory.com>
michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

>Quoting Mutlu (and catching him in a lie again)

What if the scholars come to inspect?

HA>You might not be intentionally lying, but intuition tells me that
HA>you reached the same conclusions I did. Thus, your theories and
HA>myths about 'Greek democracy' don't stand up to the realities on
HA>the ground.

>   What?????????????????????????????????????????????????

When you have finished '???ing' I'd suggest you answer the points
Jewish scholars raised below.

>   Your 'Intuition'? I could not reach the same conclusion as you if
>   they asked me what day of the week it is!

No kidding. 

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: futbol
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:19:32 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


1.Hafta:(8/23)
-------

Saat 15:30 da baslayip tamamlanan maclar:

Besiktas	1 -	Karsiyaka	1
Genclerbirligi	0 -	Galatasaray	3
Trabzon		4 -	Sariyer		0
Bursa		4 -  	G. Antep	0
Kocaeli		7 -	Kayseri		2
Aydin		2 -	Konya		1
Altay		1 - 	Ankaragucu	0

----------------------

Saat 17:00 de baslayan macta:

Fenerbahce	2 -	Bakirkoy	0   (40' skoru)
  35' (1-0)
  40' (2-0)

Fenerbahce maca 

Engin
Arif Hakan Semih
Gerson Stoilov Novak Oguz
Ridvan Tanju Aykut

tertibiyle basladi. Golleri kimin attigi gurultuden
henuz duyulamadi. Bu bilgiyi macin kesin skoru ile
birlikte yazmayi umuyorum.

---------------------

Besiktas ise Karsiyaka karsisinda gene 88' beraberligi
yakalamis. Karsiyakanin golu 13' gelmis. Karsiyaka bu
macta sayisiz gol firsatini harcamis. Boylece Besiktas'in
sansi bu yilda devam ediyor.

Murat
From: barutcuzadec@newton.hartwick.edu (Cafer Barutcuzade)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Analogy between Cyprus and Bosnia
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:30:41 GMT
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE


	There is no way that you can relate the situation in Bosnia to the one
in Cyprus. I want to remind you that it was not Turkiye who sent secret 
weapons in boxes labelled as printing material, or secret army officers to the
island like Mr. Nicos Sampson, however I will not blame people if they believe
you as not many people knows what "ENOSIS" or "MEGALO IDEA" means. If somebody
is going to talk about annexation of Cyprus to a country, he or she should go
through some serious research before telling us that Turkiye had tried to annex 
the island. 

	Today people argue that there are settlers who are brought to the
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) by Turkiye to spped up the
annexation of the island. I would like to remind everybody that TRNC is a
single identity having its own president, cabinet, flag, and every other 
thing that the self-determination ables one to have. The relationship between
Turkiye and TRNC is nothing more than cultural bonds and economic aids. But of
course some people still think that USA has been trying to annex every single
country on the world by providing economic aids. Let them think !!!

Cafer.
From: farid@mem.odu.edu ("F. H. Miandoab")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: -->>> Explosions in Azerbaijan <<<--
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU>

* AZERBAIJAN / BLAST

SEVERAL  POWERFUL  EXPLOSIONS  AT  A  MILITARY  DEPOT  HAVE  ROCKED  THE
SUBURBS  OF  BAKU -- THE  CAPITAL  OF  AZERBAIJAN.

THE  MOSCOW-BASED  ITAR-TASS  NEWS  AGENCY  REPORTS  THE  BLASTS
INJURED  THREE  SOLDIERS  LATE  THURSDAY  IN  THE  TOWN  OF  GYUZDEK.
THE  TOWN  HAS  BEEN  EVACUATED. THE  REPORT  SAYS  FIRES  CONTINUE  TO
BURN  AT  THE  AMUNITION  DUMP  BELONGING  TO  THE  COMMONWEALTH  OF
INDEPENDENT  STATES  JOINT  ARMED  FORCES.

ITAR-TASS  SAID  THE  CAUSE  OF  THE  EXPLOSIONS  IS  UNDER  INVESTIGATION.:
<Azerbaijan Aydinlig Association>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: What kind of people are Turks?
Originator: kevinh@mira
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:38:11 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.141344.4142@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, cza@prefect.uucp (Cengiz Akgun) writes:
|> In article <VVIRRANK.92Aug17153358@klaava.Helsinki.FI> vvirrank@cc.Helsinki.FI (Ville Virrankoski) writes:
|> >may spread...
|> >(Personally, I could some day visit ancient Constantinopolis but I hope
|> >as little contacts as possible with modern Istambul.)
|> >
|> >
|> >Stop humiliating Turks, Hasan B. Mutlu!
|> >
|> >
|> >V.Virrankoski
|> 
|> 
|> After seeing your howling from Finland, you also better stay home.  
|> Sure, It is not a coincidence the things that I heard about
|> Finns from Sweds and Norwegians before.  I guess the Scandinavian 
|> myth of being most civilized around have exceptions as Sweds and 
|> Norwegians pointed out to me once.  I could not belive my ears then.  
|> Alas, seeing the 'Finos' (what was called here before me) who are 
|> crawling out of their rocks in a dime a dozen fashion has opened 
|> my eyes.  What a shame!  One more thing that I keep forgeting.  
|> Who knows, the extereme cold temperatures in tundra may be the reason 
|> for the manifestation of these type of juvenile delinquency above.


Why for once will a Turk not address what is under discussion, is it
that impossible?, rather than just insult the person he doesn't like
the views/opinions of.

Does HBM (and the author of the article i'm responding too) really represent
the honest,typical, middle of the road Turk's view/attitude. I don't think so
but we have very little evidence to the contrary. 

|> C. Akgun

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
Subject: Re: An Armenian Response to a Turkish Claim of a "Fake Genocide"
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:26:34 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

viking@bnr.ca (Harold Henrikson) writes:

> It is so nice to see some history in this group.  Unfortunately, most of
> the commentary seems to be a 3-sided Greek vs Turk vs Armenian diatribe
> with Serb vs Croat rapidly joining in.  Wouldn't it be so nice if these
> racist clowns moved their war to, for example, a new group "alt.bigots.hate".
> I admit things have improved a lot since I found out how to put Mutlu in a
> kill file but there is still too much "in the year XXXX the 
> Turkish/Armenian/Serbian/Greek bastards killed X people/raped X women/burned 
> X villages/collaborated with Nazis/Christians/goats".  

HOW RIGHT YOU ARE, Harold. Isn't there a way to stop this childish war? May be
having a moderator, in case these brain amputated guys don't do it volontarily.
They could continue their private war per mail, or they prefer, they could all
of them fly together to the Balcan area and shoot themselves there.  
 

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From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hats off to Meggy
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:27:23 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <418@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP> tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic) writes:

>In article <1992Aug11.143425.7739@walter.bellcore.com> cza@maestro.bellcore.com (Cengiz Akgun) writes (although who could care less):
[..]
>>signed before.  Like every dog whose time has come goes
>>and pisses on the mosque's wall (a turkish expression, it

>[more stuff deleted]

>I'd like to add : stop the crosspostings.

Your point is not taken into consideration!  The [European] newsgroups
are all relevant to the Bosnian crisis. This is an urgent problem and
as long as someone creates a talk.politics.bosnia there is no harm in
crossposting. This is the worst human suffering in Europe for 40
years, and whether you like it or not people will talk about it.

Kutluk
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Pol*' Continues To Insult The Victims Of The Turkish Genocide.
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:03:36 GMT





<2775.3244.uupcb@factory.com>
michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 

>My replies to Mr Mutlu's latest set of lies and misinformation have been
>posted to S.C.GREEK and S.C.TURKISH only. If you would like to read

No swinging of lies will be enough to cover up the crimes of the
the x-Soviet Armenian Government, 'Pol* the Liar.' 


Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question.
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.

p. 884.

"...It was under these circumstances that the Armenian rebellion broke out
 in April 1915. The rebellion, which lasted until August, seemed to follow
 a course parallel to the one outlined in the protocol mentioned above.
 One was continually coming across Armenians cutting off telegraph lines,
 and when asked why they were doing this, they would invariably reply 
 they had been ordered to do this by the Russians. When the Russians launched
 an offensive on the front, the Armenians would revolt in the rear. Indeed,
 there were also revolts far inside the country, in places as remote as
 Sebinkarahisar. There were in fact very few Ottoman forces in the rear of
 the army. In Istanbul, too, an Armenian revolutionary movement was 
 discovered."
 
p. 907.

"In all the occupied territory from which the Russians were withdrawing,
 the Turks were exposed to attacks by the Armenians, who were attempting 
 to take over the administration. The Turkish population was forced to
 leave their homes and flee. There were large number of unwarranted 
 arrests and many were killed. Antranik arrived in Erzurum as a general
 in Russian uniform to take over the defence of the city, and he was 
 joined there by Doctor Zavriev, who had previously been appointed 
 Deputy Governor-General of the occupied provinces. The atrocities and
 massacres committed by the Armenians continued in their fury."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Meggy and Yugoslavia
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:28:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Aug12.193530.1049@morrow.stanford.edu> mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop) writes:

> Nor in Afghanistan but I think the similarities re. an unwinable(?)
> war were very prominent and the mountainous terrain of ex-Yugoslavia
> is rather similar to the old USSR's nightmare conflict

I did not advocate invading/occupying Serbia & Montenegro. The
point is that large numbers of people are trapped in cities
with nowhere to go, being bombarded daily and slowly starving.

I can understand if Serbians in BiH don't want to be a part of it.

However, recently someone posted that Serbians own much of the
land; that means Bosnians live in cities. Now they are being
chased out of them too. Where are they suppose to go ?

The diplomats probably waited in the hope that the various
ethnic groups would disentangle themselves and that predominantly
Serb, Croat and Muslim areas would arise so that some de facto
boundaries would get set up.

Now McKenzie seems to be saying that Bosnians are at fault for
not evacuating Sarejevo and other cities. What are they supposed
to do. What are they supposed to negotiate with daily bombings
and starvation.

If the Croats want to join Croatia and the Serbs Serbia it will
probably be impossible to stop it, and there's not really any
need to force people to live together against their will. The
problems now are the camps and the daily barrages and the
starvation. It will probably come to the point where a small
Bosnian state will be set up, but where?

> >
> May well be true, though I thought there were a fair number of locals
> on the serb side, also do the serbs see BH as enemy territory?
> Personally I see no other alternative to immediate intervention
> when things like 'ethnic cleansing' start to be bandied about, the

I agree there should be an intervention. What's the New ORder about ?


> Begs the question of who's going to fight them, I realise it's
> a professional military's job to kill people and be killed but I
> doubt they like it that much.

Well, as long as the irregulars in the hills and surrounding
cities are allowed to make sashlik during the day and pump
artillery and mortar into cities whenever they feel like it,
there'll be no incentive to stop fighting.

I doubt that they would be willing to fight until they achieve
70-80% of BiH while death rains down on them as it does on
the population in the cities and camps.

The final point is that it's not totally necessary to apportion
BiH according to population. Every acre of land is not of
equal value; some land is mountains, some fertile, some
has strategic value. But right now it seems like the Serbs
are determined to take the countryside and the cities. 
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
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From: greg@utkux1.utk.edu (Greg Watson)
Subject: Re: EDUCATION SPECIAL: MAP OF THE WORLD
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:05:02 GMT

In article <9208132109.A3798ZI@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
> [blah blah blah]
>  <<...the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire which had been going on
>  for a century was disastrous for Ottoman Jewry. This was the age of
>  nationalism among the Christian subjects of the Sultan...
> [blah blah blah]

What is this crap doing on soc.culture.australian?
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: 'Zap* The Criminal' Of IBM And His Handlers At ASALA/SDPA/ARF.
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:32:59 GMT





<9208130012.AA18576@zoro.cis.temple.edu>
zaphiri@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU (Zaphiris Christidis)

>Yes, a public apology is the least you can do to save your skin. As far

Look who is talking? I am simply asking: did 'Zap* the Criminal' of IBM
obtain 'copying, reprinting and republication permission' from the editor
of 'Computer' magazine (10662 Los Vaqueros Circle, PO Box 3014, Los Alamitos, 
CA 90720)? 

The answer is: 'No' (I did confirm it).

Thus, you are a self-admitted criminal and you will be entertained by
the 'IEEE' and my lawyers, accordingly, 'Zap* the Criminal.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
From: hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu)
Subject: 'Charlap' Has Proved Himself A True Humanitarian.
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:45:40 GMT
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<1992Aug19.235220.6597@njitgw.njit.edu>
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)

>>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and 
>>        the Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

>[almost 500 lines of quote deleted]

You have proved yourself a true humanitarian.

>You seem to post tremendous amounts of material from Professor Shaw's
>book.  

Is this of some significance?

>Are you trying to sell it?  

All your comments to the contrary, this point has not been addressed
properly.

>Or are you looking to get sued for
>copyright infringement? (I think you'll have posted the entire book in
>another week!)

Don't forget to give my regards.

>And you never state what purpose you have in quoting all this
>material.  

And I love people who don't read and spout myths as evidence.

>It seems to be pro-Jewish history, but then I see this
>signature at the bottom:

That is a false perception. Besides, your saying it is 'pro-Jewish'
doesn't change the facts.

>>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

>and I wonder what your real purpose is.

For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people 
lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the 
oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions
culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its 
Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered
and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one
thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks
and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, 
Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to 
return to their Muslim lands occupied by Armenia. Today, Armenian 
government covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors 
and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity.
Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against 
the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to 
the Turks and Kurds.

The justice is long overdue.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: hbm@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Hasan B. Mutlu)
Subject: Re: What kind of people are 'Finos?'
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:31:06 GMT
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<1992Aug17.163811.19331@hasler.ascom.ch>
kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)

>Why for once will a Turk not address what is under discussion, is it
>that impossible?, 

Well, still anxiously awaiting...

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). 

p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).

But, what is there to prevent this?

p. 15 (second paragraph).

???

p. 109 (second paragraph).

???

p. 203 (second paragraph).

???

p. 204 (first paragraph).

???

p. 218 (first and second paragraphs).

???

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:02 PDT
Subject: Re: Turkish film director (was: What ki
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug20.080517.9356@eua.ericss:1733529533:cdp:1475100153:000:979
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Aug 20 22:02:00 1992


I think the director you are talking about is Yilmaz
Guney.  I have not seen The Wall, but have seen Yol
(itself a grim film - well done, but I advise anyone
thinking of renting it not to make my mistake of
renting it the same weekend as The Killing Fields).

I gather, though, that Midnight Express raised
hackles not so much simply for portraying Turkish
prisons in an unfavorable light as because some
felt that the portrayal of *Turks* in the movie
was unsympathetic (I phrase this tentatively only
because I haven't seen the movie myself.  My husband
did, and said he could see why Turks would take
offense at it.)  Yol gave a grim picture of Turkey
in some respects, but it was seen through Turkish
eyes, rather than American, and I definitely felt
sympathy for the ordinary Turks shown in the film.

(I hope this message isn't too much of a non
sequitur, since I missed the early part of this
discussion and so am not entirely sure of the
original drift.)

Lynn Gazis-Sax

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