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From: mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Put Your Thinking Caps On!
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:06:41 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <2SEP92.15163683@wums.wustl.edu> trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu writes:
>In a previous article, schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) wrote:
>>I'm helping my breed club put together a list of questions that people
>>should ask themselves before getting a dog.  I've come up with a few
>>but got such great assistance in my "what questions to ask a breeder"
>>question that I thought I'd try again.
>>Do you get the dog for someone as a present?
>>etc.
>>schalene
>
>	Well aside from some of the more apparent questions such as
>size, sex, length of coat etc. it might be a good idea to put something
>in about "alpha puppies".  I am convinced that we got the alpha puppy;
>when we chose our dog they were only 4 weeks old- not too active.  We
>picked out the most active strongest ("healthiest", we thot at the time).
>When we went to pick him up at 7 weeks he was by far the fattest, biggest,
>most rambunctious of them all. I would not trade him for the world 
>but if I known such an alpha existed I could have kept an eye 
>out-so to speak.  I believe some people would prefer and alpha puppy and
>others simply would not. Whaddyathink?
>Beverly

	I think the idea of "alpha puppies" is an excellent addition to any
new potential puppy owner list of questions to ask.  I was as stupid as
anyone when I bought Beamer, a cocker spaniel, a little over a year ago.  He
was the last of the litter and I was told he was the runt and would not grow
very big.  Now my 30 pound cocker and I have frequent "who's the alpha" battles
although I think I may be winning for the time being.  In the last year I
have read as many books as I could find, the **best** of which was by the Monks
of New Skete.  My wife and I attended private obedience training with an
excellent couple of people who run a kennel here in South Bend (I'll refrain
from advertising but if anyone from the area wants to know just email me)
and now I at least know how to deal with his alpha tendencies.  Questions
about the breeders and training facilities in the area should be on the mind
of any potential dog owner long before tehy actually buy a puppy.  I am learning
exponentially now that I read this newsgroup and hopefully I will be able to
contribute more in the future.  Thank you networld.
			
				--Michael Buening
				internet:mikeb@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu

P.S. As an aside, I would like to know information about cocker spaniel breeders in 
the U.S. and especially in the midwest.  Any email responses would be greatly 
appreciated.  And by the way, Ines: Lighten up.  At least they are asking questions.
Thanks again.
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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:02:19 GMT

In article <21277@optima.cs.arizona.edu> debray@cs.arizona.edu (Saumya K. Debray) writes:
>shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
>
>> Her vet's philosophy is that dog food is all a dog should have, ever.
>
>Hmmm ... wonder what dogs ate before dog food was invented!
>
>Judging from scat, the coyotes in our neighborhood eat a lot of 
>prickly pear fruit when they ripen (the fruit have no spines), and
>they don't seem to suffer too much for it.

My adoptee who is ca. 8 yrs. old has recently expressed a
preference for carrots over apples and absolutely craves
raisins. His kibble is a staple but fruits and veggies are low
cost, low cal treats.

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From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Summary: Try Pro-Plan
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:01:08 CDT

   We have had great luck with Purina Proplan.
Proplan comes in three varieties: Puppy, Adult & Active dog.
We have had many compliments on her shiny coat, which we feel
is the direct result of her food. Her stools are very limited
because Pro Plan does not have a lot of undigestable fillers.

  Good Luck.


   Dennis Guldan
   Publisher of Bird Dog News
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:27:45 GMT

From article <1685094B3.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, by X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes):
> In article <1992Aug27.144400.22489@unislc.uucp>
>      abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) writes:
>  
>>Other breed clubs have similar programs.  It seems that the place to
>>put on pressure is at the national BREED club level, because that is
>>where the experts are and where the people who are really committed to
>>a certain kind of dog are.  The AKC has too many breeds to be concerned
>>with working ability.  This doesn't mean that stance is correct, it
>>just is.  And think of all the "disagreement" about AKC conformation
>>judging:  are these the same folks we want to judge stamina or "lap dog"
>>tests? or do we want breed club "experts?"
>  
>  
> Your point about the AKC being very difficult to move is well taken,
> but I still think that is the orgainization we need to focus on.
> After all, they ARE the ones that register the dogs, at least in the
> eyes of the general population.  For example, when someone asks "Does
> this dog have their papers", they aren't refering to UKC, NAHRA,
> or any other kennel club or breed organization.  They are refering to
> the AKC.  Getting those other organizations to make such a rule would
> (imho) have no real effect.

Well, OK, I grant that changing the AKC is hard but not impossible.  But
it STILL has to come from the breed club level:  AKC delegates are
first and foremost members of breed clubs.  So, the breed clubs have
to take a more activist position.  All breed clubs would have to petition
the AKC with SPECIFIC tests or titles they wanted on dogs; the delegates
would have to present it to the membership; there would have to be a
lot of lobbying; there would have to be cards, letters, etc.

One thing we have going for us is the computer, of course.  It's now
fairly simple to construct the appropriate data base.  The AKC resisted
putting OFA numbers on pedigrees because it was troublesome; now it's not, and
that information will become official.  

I'd love to see it happen; I've always said no dog should have a CH 
without some other form of working/obedience/field title, even if it's
a simple temperment test for the toys.  But if we want to change ANY law
or rule or procedure, etc., we have to start at the grass roots level.
Going straight to the White House instead of to congressional delegations
is probably not going to change national policy, either, if that analogy
makes sense.
>  
> PS.  at least in the USA.  Your country may give different milage.
>  
>       ----------------------------------------------
> Chris Barnes            |
> x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
> (409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
> (409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
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From: fritzz@bud.megatek.uucp (Friedrich Knauss)
Subject: Re: vet services fees
Reply-To: megatek!fritzz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:55:06 GMT

rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
>I all of a sudden feel like maybe I am getting over charged for vet 
>services.  I was wondering if any of you have ever changed vets simply
>because maybe you thought that a) your vet wasn't fabulous anyway, and then 
>b) found out that their office visit, booster shots, and normal office 
>procedures were more expensive than others around town?
>
>office visit = $28
>urinalysis = $25

These prices don't seem unreasonable.
It depends more on what you get for these prices.

There are a number of different factors that make a vet worthwhile.
As far as pricing is concerned, you should be warier of a vet that
advertises low prices or specials and then ends up adding on
other items than of a vet who charges higher prices but delivers
the full service on them. This makes it difficult to compare
prices between different offices because there are sometimes
hidden costs.

It is not unusual for a vet to insist on a checkup for a simple
vaccination. Many animals only see a vet once a year for their
vaccines, and there are many problems that are not apparent 
that can be uncovered during a simple annual checkup.

I should mention that you should beware vaccine clinics as well.
It is not uncommon for the vaccines for clinics to have been stored
improperly, and can therefore have a reduced effectiveness.o


To answer the original question, If you don't think your vet
is that great anyway, maybe you should shop around.
Personally, I value a vet who will take the time to honestly
share his diagnoses and options for treatment with me than one
who charges fire-sale prices.
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From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hunting ability in Labradors
Date: 27 Aug 1992 10:10:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1684F9491.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> you write:
|> In article <13432@pogo.wv.tek.com>
|>     daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) writes:
|>  
|> >In conclusion, I personally feel that if a dog is in a specific category (eg:
|> >herding, hunting, ratting), then it is irresponsible to breed solely for
|> >aesthetics.  Thus a terrier which can't rat, or a Setter which cannot hunt,
|> >should not be rewarded for mere aesthetic conformation.  This is why I would
|> >assert that no dog should be able to earn either a champion status, or a best
|> >in breed (and definitely not a best in show) unless it has excelled in the
|> >working requirements of its breed.
|>  
|> Actually, I think the "best" solution would be for the AKC to not
|> register pups born to a sire and dam that do not have their titles.
|> Since this would "protect" the breed from the things I fear happening
|> by recommending it for things other than it's original purpose, I
|> would no longer have any complaints against it (even if they just

|>  
|> PS:  wouldn't this also take a big chunk out of the puppy mill
|>      problem too?)
|>  
|> But, since the AKC makes it's money by registering litters and dogs,
|> I just don't see this happening anytime soon.
|>  
|>  
|> Comments?
|>  
great idea but it would drive the AKC into an uproar.  How do you get
it started?

	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
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From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Golden Retriever Rescue Services
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:56:12 GMT

	I just received the latest issue of the Golden Retriever Club of
America newsletter and I noticed that it contains a list of golden retriever
rescue services on a state-by-state basis. If anyone is interested in adopting a
golden, I'd be happy to send them the name and address of a rescue service in
their area. Just e-mail me and include the state or states which you are
interested in.
				     Sandra
PS This same list also includes puppy referral people, for those of you
interested in buying a golden from a breeder.

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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hunting Abilities: Lab Registration
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:59:29 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Aug28.185714.7813@u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug28.185714.7813@u.washington.edu>
martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin) writes:
>I don't have the regestration numbers handy but there are 
>probably well over 20 000 labs regestered each year.  
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WELL over 20,000. In the month of May this year, more than 8500 Labrador
Retrievers were registered. Closer to 75,000 Labs per year!
>
>No it is not going to be practical to get the number of awards large
>enough to get an adequate gene pool for breeding.
>
>2. Look at the awards listed for sie and dam. In confirmation
>champions about 25% don't have a champion at all.
>
>3. Remember that you need a big enough gene pool to maintain
>a healthy breed. The pool is already small enough to cause
>many problems for a number of breeds.

On the other hand, with over 75,000 Labs registered each year, the potential
gene pool is HUGE. And Labs still have their share of genetic problems. 
Limiting breeding to animals that are proven in form and function, as well as
apparently (if not genetically) sound, doesn't sound so undesireable to me!
However, I agree that the AKC will never initiate such a requirement. But
more and more parent (breed) clubs are instituting such programs, and peer
pressure, if nothing else, is forcing a lot of breeders to rethink the goals
of their breeding programs.

****************************
Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfoundlands

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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: We found a puppy! (Was: FAQ for GSDs)
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:31:49 GMT


Hi Everyone!

I just had to let you all know that we did indeed find a nice
GSD puppy. We found him , practically in our own backyards.
Actually, about an hour away, but for a good pup, an hour
drive is nothing!! 

We won't be able to bring him home for a few weeks, because
he's only 4 weeks old. They said to call them in a few weeks
and they'll let us know how he's doing. The breeders are 
VERY nice folks who mostly send their dogs to the Seeing Eye
type organizations. These dogs are bred for temperment and
intelligence. The pups are guarenteed for 2 years (health and
hips). Parents are OFA certified. He'll be a big baby as the sire
weighed in at 140 Lbs (not fat at all, sheer muscle) and with 
a very sweet temperment. Dam was at 95 lbs (again, all
muscle) with a great temperment too (although she REALLY
wanted to go back to her pups).  Our little guy is all
black and they think he's gonna stay that way. And although
all his little brothers and sisters were whining when they brought 
him out, he was quiet until the last few minutes. And, of course,
he was adorable! ;-) (like all pups, I know...)

Apparently the lady had even trained some of her dogs sign 
language! And one of their dogs had just become a working
drug sniffer!

So, stay tune ...

Kay Schlumpf & crew 
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From: honig@cs.cornell.edu (Sue Utter Honig)
Subject: Re: Genetics & Birdyness in Labs
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.184351.11926@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> willett@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (david.c.willett) writes:

(first of posting deleted)

>The recent postings suggest that such behavior or "behavioral tendency" is
>inherited.  I think this notion is dangerous and damaging to the breed.
>Dogs do different things for different reasons and a particular pattern of
>behavior can arise from any number of environmental, genetic, or social 
>factors.  Breeding is important, and temprement types are probably inherited,
>but I don't think you can say much more than that.  I'm not sure that 
>it is possible to "breed for birdyness" or any other type of behavior.
>
>Would any of you Lab breeders out there care to comment?

Maybe rather than asking Lab breeders about this, you should ask
Border Collie people.  The strongest proof I've seen that you can
breed for a behavior is watching a young border collie doing a great
outrun with basically no training.  An outrun is something I'll
probably spend a year (or more) teaching my Aussie or Rotties to do.

Perhaps you haven't heard about the big stink among Border Collie
people.  Most (but not all, hence the stink) are dead-set against full
AKC recognition, because they think the main criteria for breeding a
BC should be its herding ability, not whether it conforms to a uniform
type.  These people want to prevent the breed from losing its working
ability, just the thing we've been arguing about with hunting dogs.
They want to avoid what just happened with the induction of Aussies
into the AKC.

Border collies - isn't it amazing what 200 years of breeding for a
particular behavior can do?

Sue Utter Honig
honig@cs.cornell.edu
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pets need help in FL!!!
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)

NH>Hurricane Andrew has left *MANY* pets hurt and homeless.  Since I'm sure
NH>that pet care is not eligible for federal help, we all need to chip in.

NH>The North County Humane Society is going to be going down soon to rescue
NH>and care for as many animals as possible.  This is an extremely dangerous
NH>task, two humane society workers have already been shot in the all the
NH>violence down there.

NH>Please send donations of any kind of animal care products (bowls, food,
NH>shampoo, hairball laxative, flea control products, or even used towels
NH>and blankets) or a monetary donation to:

NH>North County Humane Society
NH>185 East Indian Town Rd.
NH>Suite 211
NH>Jupiter, FL  (I don't have the zip code)

NH>(407) 747 - 1598

I work for Mailboxes Etc..We are a drop off point for food and supplies
and we are shipping them out daily to a MBE in Florida for distribution.
Some of the items we have shipped are dog/cat food and supplies. This
will be taken to a local animal shelter in the Coral Gables and Miami
areas. If you are unable to ship the items yourself, check with a local
Mailboxes Etc in your area. They will be shipping the items at no cost
to you. If the MBE in your area is not participating tell them to check
with Corporate offices as they are sponsoring this effort. We are also
in the process of talking to UPS to get them to be a drop off and to
ship free of charge. The people in Florida need all the help they can
get. Baby items( food and formula ) can goods, Can Openers, bedding,
clothing, Pet Supplies etc...Remember when shipping items to include
items that are easily opened without any devices as these people have
lost EVERYTHING. They have no water or electricity!

Thanks,

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: yosinaga@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Naoko Yoshinaga)
Subject: Swallowing, not chewing
Summary: why dogs (animals) swallow food.
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:17:47 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knows why dogs swallow their food without chewing it. Is it because of evolution, that in order to get enough food to eat, the dog would have to gobble down as much as they could before their fellows in the pack ate it all? Or is it just because they have sharp teeth, not designed for chewing.

I know this is a weird question to ask, but I have an argument with a friend about the reason. I would greatly appreciate any information on this topic and it would be even better if the information was backed-up with a reference.

Thanks in advance!
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Protective Akitas
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:11:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

My girlfriend has a year and a half old Akita female.  The dog is very friendly
but always seems to bark at anyone that isn't immediate family until they
walk up close enough for the dog to sniff them.  I was talking with a guy
who used to breed Akitas and he said they are very protective dogs.  
My question is, will this dog ever stop barking at me when I come over?
Also, if they are very protective, when it becomes a full adult, will it
want to attack me instead of just barking at me?  The guy who bred them said
you have to be carefull once they are about 2-3 years old (that's when they
are very protective.)
 - Thanks in advance
 - Kirk
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Hot dog
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.102447.1@opal.tufts.edu>
   gbelli@opal.tufts.edu writes:
 
>
>Hi all!
>     So I have a stupid question--anyone who feels compelled to ridicule me,
>feel free.
 
*not ridiculing*  just tongue in cheek  ;-)
 
 
>Anyway--we've had a spell of 90 degree days here in Boston, with
>no sign of relief until the end of the week.  My own discomfort aside, how
>worried should I be about my dog?  I've had dogs all my life, but when I
>lived at the family homestead, we had air-conditioning (spoiled brat!).
>My beagle is in good health, but I worry about him being stuck in the house
> in the heatall day.  It gets about 80 degrees inside.  What can I do to
> make him more comfortable ?  Obviously, I've left him extra water (with
>ice--don't laugh!), but what else can I do?  Also, what are signs of heat
>distress in dogs?  Thanks for all your patience and advice.
 
It gets up to 80 in the house?  I don't think that's going to be a
problem.  Heck, sometimes our house gets DOWN to 80 (at night).
And our dogs don't get to come in, they have to stay out.....
 
Just make sure he has lots of water (room temp is fine).  If he is
outside, make sure he has a shaded place to rest too.  You might
also want to make sure he gets his exercise in the morning or evening
(during the cooler parts of the day).  That's really the only thing
that could get him overheated anyway - too much exercise in the
heat of the day.
 
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Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
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