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Subject: XT MFM HD controller info?
     
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Subject: XT MFM HD controller info?
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Can someone please help me with details of an XT MFM hard disk controller?
I have the port addresses and (I think) the commands and error codes, but
I'm after a little more programming info. I've also got one reference, the
Minix XT driver code, but it's not very well documented.
     
So, anyone know anything about these beasts?
     
BTW: I know the hardware is obselete, but I gain 120 meg for "free" if I
can write a driver for it for Linux, and what's more, the card coexists
quite happily with my IDE and SCSI drives!
     
Pat -- Have a day!
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From: cario h lam <clam@CUP.PORTAL.COM>
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My first question is, are sockets supported in MINIX ?  My next question is
, can a driver be written for a networking card under MINIX and then have the
two cards be connected and operate as a LAN ?
     
Thanks in advance
     
-clam
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Subject: Re: OS compare (Unix/clone)
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In article <1992Jul29.172406.29587@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
 torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) writes:
>
>Having several different code/date-segments doesn't lend itself very
>well to high-level languages (it doesn't even work too well in assembly,
>but there the programmer often knows what he/she is doing).  Thus
>coherent 3.2 and minix don't even try: they keep to one segment, and
>limit all data to 64kB.  You can do a lot in 64kB, but I'd rather miss
>the experience.
>
     
I hate to say it - but back in the old PDP11 days they had overlays.
And learned to like them.
     
And we walked 50 miles to school, uphill, and we didn't have shoes then...
8-)
     
There is some satisfaction in shoehorning the most functionality in to
the smallest space.  The amazing fact that a PDP11 could multitask
with the same 64k of memory that ran CP/M was amazing to me.
     
I grew up with PDP11's and love the fact that RT11 can run foreground
and background tasks (up to 15 background tasks) in a machine with only
64kb of real memory is a fact that some people that haven't had to live
with those restrictions don't understand.
     
Unfortunately, you can't run X in that space, or NFS... Perhaps TCP/IP
though...
     
Bill
     
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Subject: XT MFM HD controller info?
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Can someone please help me with details of an XT MFM hard disk controller?
I have the port addresses and (I think) the commands and error codes, but
I'm after a little more programming info. I've also got one reference, the
Minix XT driver code, but it's not very well documented.
     
So, anyone know anything about these beasts?
     
BTW: I know the hardware is obselete, but I gain 120 meg for "free" if I
can write a driver for it for Linux, and what's more, the card coexists
quite happily with my IDE and SCSI drives!
     
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From: wkt@rodos1.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: What shell can be installed on 286AT?
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:52:37 GMT

From article <1992Jul21.020308.14780@udel.edu>, by Dennis Cheng-Zen Yang <dennis@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw>:
> 	Is there a shell better than sh which can be installed on 286 ?
> Or I only ought to patch sh to having alias, history and cmd line editing ?
> I, a Minix beginner, need your hacker's notes.

I'd suggest the Clam shell (mind you, I helped write it), which has
what you want. Ftp to plains.nodak.edu and hunt for the binary,
clam-pc.bin (or some such name). A bug in Minix 1.5.10 prevents you from
compiling the source (which is also available) under 1.5.10. Try also
minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au.

Warren


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Can someone please help me with details of an XT MFM hard disk controller?
I have the port addresses and (I think) the commands and error codes, but
I'm after a little more programming info. I've also got one reference, the
Minix XT driver code, but it's not very well documented.
     
So, anyone know anything about these beasts?
     
BTW: I know the hardware is obselete, but I gain 120 meg for "free" if I
can write a driver for it for Linux, and what's more, the card coexists
quite happily with my IDE and SCSI drives!
     
Pat -- Have a day!
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Subject: XT MFM HD controller info?
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Can someone please help me with details of an XT MFM hard disk controller?
I have the port addresses and (I think) the commands and error codes, but
I'm after a little more programming info. I've also got one reference, the
Minix XT driver code, but it's not very well documented.
     
So, anyone know anything about these beasts?
     
BTW: I know the hardware is obselete, but I gain 120 meg for "free" if I
can write a driver for it for Linux, and what's more, the card coexists
quite happily with my IDE and SCSI drives!
     
Pat -- Have a day!
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From: Volker.Schuermann@unnet.w.open.DE (Volker Schuermann)
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Subject: Re: UUCP at 19200 bps.
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:27:30 GMT
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In article <92071915057@orca.wimsey.bc.ca>,
            Ed Rodda writes:

> I recently purchased a USRobotics v.32 bis modem for my news/mail feed. 
> I use Will Rose's UUCP ver.1.21 and Minix386.  I am connecting to
> another v.32 bis modem at 9600 bps and have a throughput of about 490
> cps, i.e.  compressed news, uncompressed is higher, maybe 800 cps. 

490 cps is a good value for a HST/V.32bis with MINIX386! That's pretty
slow for a 9600 bps UUCP-connection, but there seems to be a problem
deep within UUCICO and/or MINIX itself ...

That are my preferences:

HST connecting with 19.2k bps (the trick is to set everything up to 9600,
and than patch the sources like that: define B9600 19200) [Sorry Will,
I know: UGLY! ... but working :-)]

Using Z-Protocol (if you need it, i'll send it to you) on a 20 MHz 386
with Bruces 386er MNX.

Sending:   up to 1000 CPS ("real" UNIX: 1600 CPS)
Receiving:        430 CPS ("real" UNIX: 1600 CPS)


> uucico. I can't solve this little mystery.

Let us celebrate that sentence ;-))


I gave up re-discovering UUCICO the last winter, and I've MUCH respect
for what Will did and reached with his version!


Little hoax: Z-Modem makes 1100 CPS in both directions :-))) Yeah, the
same hard-/software!

So don't play around with the kernel - bigger RS232-buffer etc. - it's
all a waste of time!

- Volker Schuermann			        UUCP: volkers@unnet.w.open.de
  The Underground Network, Germany				[Carpe diem!]
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In article <1992Jul29.172406.29587@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
 torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) writes:
>
>Having several different code/date-segments doesn't lend itself very
>well to high-level languages (it doesn't even work too well in assembly,
>but there the programmer often knows what he/she is doing).  Thus
>coherent 3.2 and minix don't even try: they keep to one segment, and
>limit all data to 64kB.  You can do a lot in 64kB, but I'd rather miss
>the experience.
>
     
I hate to say it - but back in the old PDP11 days they had overlays.
And learned to like them.
     
And we walked 50 miles to school, uphill, and we didn't have shoes then...
8-)
     
There is some satisfaction in shoehorning the most functionality in to
the smallest space.  The amazing fact that a PDP11 could multitask
with the same 64k of memory that ran CP/M was amazing to me.
     
I grew up with PDP11's and love the fact that RT11 can run foreground
and background tasks (up to 15 background tasks) in a machine with only
64kb of real memory is a fact that some people that haven't had to live
with those restrictions don't understand.
     
Unfortunately, you can't run X in that space, or NFS... Perhaps TCP/IP
though...
     
Bill
     
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From: ajt@puffin.doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
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Subject: MUGNET UK
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:26:52 GMT
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I want to re-establish contact with MUGNET UK members who are now
disconnected from <ukmug.uk.mugnet.org> and I have set up my PC to
accept dialup logins on an experimental basis on my *domestic* phone.

The system is <minke.uk.mugnet.org> on 03302 2392 at 2400 baud between
22:00 -> 08:00 for local mail or polling for uucp mail.

	Tony

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Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751