From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Subject: Confusing perpetrators of the genocide with the victims, "Schoinas"?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 16:53:05 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <schoinas.725383291@cs.wisc.edu> schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) writes:

>A few months ago, I had practically begged Mutlu to use my name in the 
>subject line, a honour reserved to his worst enemies. 

This is the ego defense that therapists call "splitting".

>At that time, 
>despite my efforts he refused to do so. I was greatly dissapointed. But 
>finally my dream came true. I don't know how to thank you guys. Thanks!

No sweat.

>ps: I would not suggest to provoke me. I just don't get angry easily. 

There is no need to smile when you cry.

>On the other hand, I would find it quite interesting to design the ultimate 
>anti-Serdar daemon. And then we can let them talk about the genocide of 
>the pontian greeks by the turks in the 20's. 

That is the result of watching "ASALA/SDPA/ARF" too much. After the 
Ottoman Empire lost World War I, the British landed in 1919 a 200,000 
Greek army in Izmir to exterminate the people of Turkiye. Are you suffering 
from a severe case of amnesia? The tired and defeated Turks rose up,
formed a National Force under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal, and
on August 30, 1922 they annihilated the bulk of the Greek Army.

Wait, there is more.

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 239:

 <<The Greek army that occupied much of southwestern Anatolia starting
   in May 1919 slaughtered thousands of Jews and Muslims in the course
   of its attack, not only during its initial landings at Izmir, but also
   in the interior during the subsequent two years, and particularly
   during its final retreat to Izmir, when it ravaged and burned Bursa
   and other towns and villages along the way. Albert Nabon, Principal
   of the AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] Boy's School in Izmir,
   reported to the Alliance on 6 July 1919:

        'The city was put on fire and sacked, the people dispoiled
        of all they possessed. There is no food, putting the entire
        population on general, and our co-religionists in particular,
        in danger of suffering greatly from these privations'

   going on to describe how most Jews, not only from Izmir but also from
   Greek attacks at Aydin, Bergama and Manisa, took refuge in his school,
   where they were suffering from overcrowding, lack of food, and
   medicine. [90]>>

   page 240:

   <<Jewish notables, like the Muslims, were beaten and executed, many
   Jewish homes and shops were ravaged and burned, and hundreds of Jews
   were deported to almost certain death in the countryside. As the Greek
   army retreated in panic late in the war, moreover, it burned the Jewish
   and Muslim quarters of Izmit, Manisa and Bergama, destroying synagogues,
   yeshivas and hospitals as well as homes and businesses while killing
   hundreds and forcing the remainder of the non-Christian population to
   flee in panic, ...[95]>>

[90] Similar reports came from Nabon to the AIU on 2 July 1919 (no.23/915),
     9 July 1919 (no.26/927), 12 July 1919 (no.27/932) and 14 July 1919
     (no. 28/933). In Nabon's report of 17 July 1919 (no.30/935), he stated
     that the Greeks at Aydin had burned 200 Jewish houses and 13 shops,
     had dispoiled all the local Jews of their money and property, and had
     strangled two Jews as well as driving the remainder to seek refuge
     in the local AIU school: 'At Aydin, Manisa, Tire and everywhere else,
     our Jews live in an atmosphere of suspicion by the Greek inhabitants'
     who suspect that they favor the Turks. On 23 July 1920 Nabon reported
     that all the Jews had left Izmir, the synagogue had not been burned, but
     the Greeks had taken all its valuables as well as the property of local
     Jews, and the streets were full of bodies.

[95] Univers Israelite, 2 September 1921, p.467-48, quoted in Guleryuz;
     see also Galante, Anatolie II (1939), 70-100; and 'Manissa', EJ XI,
     878-79.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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