From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Gerry Faust and the Liberty Bowl
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:19:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.131340.9450@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>In article <BxxwII.7q6@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>>
>>>In Gerry Faust's thrid year, the Liberty Bowl looked to the Irish as a possible
>>>participant.  They made it clear that if the Irish were to win vs. Air Force, 
>>>then Notre Dame would be extended an invitation.  Well, the Irish lost to the
>>>Air Force (in what I beleive was Scott Grooms' only start at quarterback for 
>>>the Irish.)  Badly.  After the game, the team voted to ask the Liberty Bowl
>>>people to extend the invitation to a different team.  A week later, teh Liberty
>>>Bowl people came back to Notre Dame and asked again, "Would you please consider
>>>playing in our game as we can find no other suitable (read: profitable) team to
>>>invite.  This time, the 6-5 Irish accepted.  The result was Gerry Faust's only 
>>>Bowl win.  It came over a Doug Flutie lead Boston College team.
>>
>>>So it is indeed true that a Gerry Faust team did decline a bowl invitation, but
>>>they went anyhow.
>>
>>This is the kind of shit that makes me want to puke ! God I'm crying for
>>the poor ND .....(left blank 'cause I counted to 10).
>>
>>Pat, if Notre Dame is as high and mighty as you and a few others always
>>suggest , they would quit blaming the begging bowl people etc. for scenes
>>like you describe above. As I said in another post , there was a damn good
>>E. Carolina team that was 8-3 that year (with the losses being by only
>>a few points to Florida, Florida State, and Miami) that sure as hell should
>>have gone to the bowl before a sorry-ass Faust led 6-5 Notre Dame.
>
>Justin, take a valium.  Pat was merely explaining the circumstances, not
>suggesting that it was the right thing to do.  Most ND fans would probably
>agree that ND didn't really deserve to go.  Nobody is "blaming" the
>"begging" bowl people.  Just because you imagine that events occurred in
>such a way does not make it so.
>
>>
>>I know you can't keep Notre Dame from wheeling and dealing for every
>>advantage in the book and all the money they can grab but you sure as
>>hell can come off your 'holier than thou' stance and start admitting
>>that there are some reasons why Notre Dame is the second most hated school
>>in the USA. 
>
>Where was Pat's "holier than thou" stance?  You really don't do any
>credit to your argument when you go off the deep end like this.  You
>just sound like a bitter ND-hater, whose judgment is therefore clouded.
>
>>
>>And Notre Dame beating BC by a whole point in that game doesn't have a
>>damn thing to do with the fact that they should have just said no.
>>
>
>Survey SAYS ... BZZZZZT!!  Wrong.  ND crushed BC, 54-7.  It was Penn State
>that they beat by 1, which is what you meant I'm sure.  Not too many teams
>blow Penn State out.


OOOPS!  Sorry about that!  As soon as I sent it I realized that I read your
comment wrong.  It's early.  Maybe I'll go get some caffeine.

Again, sorry.


>
>>Justin - I guess I stayed nice as long as I could - Frederich
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>Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
>mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
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Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"