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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Moderation issues (Re: Austin Free-Net?)
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:16:47 GMT

>I didn't say that, I quoted that :-)

"I didn't say you said that."

I'm really tired of listening to you guys quibble at each other across
the United States, not to mention the rest of the free world. Can you
get this out of my mailbox ?

I'm seeing a couple of dozen no-brainer messages a day. I thought there
was supposed to be someone acting as moderator. Moderate, please, or
pass the job to someone who _will_.

Or get rid of the moderation altogether, as I suggested originally, so
that this can proceed to its logical conclusion, whatever that may be.

Or alienate your readership with your inability to constrain this - which
is specific to Austin, Texas, and probably belongs in a local group.

I know, eff-austin@tic.com is supposed to be a local group. But it's not.
Lots of people all over the world read it, interested in the EFFort. I'm
indifferent to all this ... the only intelligent thing I've seen in the
past week has been someone's suggestion, courtesy of the MIT Media Lab,
that an effort be made to satisfy everyone, a la consensus procedures.

Or remove me from eff-austin@tic.com. It's ceasing to become worth the effort
to wade through all this.

-- richard

=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration

                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.


  [The moderator responds: I've been watching this thread grow in heat
  and noise and waiting for some sign that anyone but me thought it was a
  problem.  I'm glad to see that someone has spoken up.  I've said from
  the beginning that I would rather err by letting too much through than
  by rejecting something I shouldn't.  I always welcome comments about
  moderation to riddle@tic.com.
  
  I'm intrigued by Richard's suggestion that spats like this one should
  take place in a "local" group.  If others feel this way as well, how
  could we restrict this forum to being more "local" than it is?  Maybe
  by taking our verbiage off-line and duking it out face to face?
  Maybe by alienating our non-Austin readers with noise so they all
  unsubscribe? :-)  Do people feel that the time has already come for
  austin.eff.announce and austin.eff.talk, the former being strictly
  moderated official announcements and the latter being the "noise"
  group?  Personally I think such a step would be premature.

  Meanwhile, let's try giving the Austin Free-Net thread a rest.  If
  you've got something new on the subject to say, please (1) don't post
  it as a line-for-line rebuttal of someone else's message, and (2) try
  to think of a more descriptive "Subject:" line.

  -- Prentiss Riddle, riddle@tic.com]
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: fig@eff.org (Cliff Figallo)
Subject: Re: Newsbyte Re: EFF Local Chapters
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 16:51:50 GMT

Er, I'd like to point out the John McMullen assigned me the wrong last
name.  Correct spelling: Figallo, Clifford A.

I'm hoping to get a chance to visit Austin before too long.  It's exciting
to see your group initiating activities on so many fronts.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Subject: Re: Austin Free-Net?
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.225555.16669@tic.com> george@wixer.cactus.org (George  
Wenzel) writes:
> A signifigant effort is underway to get the Austin Freenet project
> organized and operational.  
> 
> If you have something to contribute to the effort, please let me know.   
We
> are looking for people that can help get this going.  
> 
> There is currently a mailing list of the people involved, and I am  
looking
> for more people to put on it.

Perhaps you should state your goals, because as of a few days ago, you were  
interested in a "commercial" system based out of your home, which is a  
complete violation the "free" aspect of the system.  It is also my  
impression that you are looking for people to give you money and links to  
money rather than assistance . . . this is the wrong approach.  Money isn't  
the goal, it's mearly a tool.  Until you have a goal, I think it would be  
unwise for ANYONE to invest anything (including time) in a project,  
including the one I work on.

A number of the "opposition" to such a system met last night and discussed  
the future of free networking (and free access) in Austin.  One doesn't  
necessarily require, nor preclude the other, but both should exist  
together.

Chris
--
| Chris Petrilli
| petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu, petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu
| All opinions are my own, if they even belong to anyone.


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Subject: Re: Austin Free-Net?
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1992 16:27:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep19.111954.18416@tic.com> larry8@ut-emx.uucp (Larry)  
writes:
> Channel 18 will be broadcasting special editions of "Austin at Issue" 
> this week dealing with improving education in Austin.  People from the
> community who have ideas for promoting such improvement are invited to
> come to the studio for discussion on the show.  It seems to me that 
> there are a number of ways that a Free-net could be used to the
> benefit of the educational system.  A show like this would provide
> an opportunity to get some political support.  I have a pretty good
> idea as to how something like this could benefit the schools, but I
> don't know much about the necessary administrative requirements that
> Chris is talking about.  I am hoping to attend on monday night (each
> night of the week has a theme, monday's is something like "preparing
> Austin's students for the work force of tomorrow").    

Actually I think this is a good starting point. Any amount of  
education/awareness that we can get going is going to be a good start at  
garnering a general support. I remember reading somewhere that Austin has teh  
highest density of computers in the SW US, and the highest density of  
BBSs/modems in the US.  This would be a good thing to mention to people, as  
it means that the people to use the system are already there.

Also, I know from experience that there are a lot of people that are  
interested in having UseNet available to more people, and this is a good way  
to do it. I'm sure the system could get an NNTP link from cs.utexas.edu or  
emx.utexas.edu (the two main NNTP servers).

> I realize that this is rather short notice (I only found out about this
> program the other day) but I'm thinking that if a number of people who
> support a Free-net were to show up on Monday (at Channel 18 studios,
> the corner of 26th and Guadalupe -- 7:30 pm) this might be a good way
> to get some public visibility and support.  Of course, it would be
> particularly useful if some of the attendees are knowledgeable about 
> the administrative aspects of implementing a Free-Net that Chris 
> was discussing.  

I will try and attend, since I work at 26th and Speedway (CPE building) and  
will try and gather as much information before attending as I can.  Hope to  
see you there.
--
| Chris Petrilli
| petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu, petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu
| All opinions are my own, if they even belong to anyone.
From: steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: I can't believe my nose.   Fireplaces in Austin...
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:00:46 GMT
Reply-To: steve@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: austin
Organization: NOT

purp@wixer.cactus.org (Jim Meyer) writes:
]
]In article <1992Sep25.021838.3657@icus.ICUS.COM> lenny@icus.ICUS.COM 
] (Lenny Tropiano) writes:
]
]Yeah, I know. Hadda break out my severe cold weather gear.
]
]Brrr! Who turned down the thermostat?


Hell, we're now just getting into the 9 or so months that I moved
to Austin for.  Cool, and comfortable without the 4 month periods of
blistering cold weather we got in NY.  I do miss the snow though.  

2 of my neighbors were burning fires last night,  I asked them why,
The old guy next door said it was to ward off the chill, give n the
fire place designs down here thats about impossible.  they aint there
for heat.   The younger married couple (still older than me but they
are newly weds) said it was for mood.  Mood is great, but at 60 degrees
out I figure the mood is better set by the sunset :-).

To each his own.

Steve
steve@zx11.cactus.org
]
From: ctraynor@cs.utexas.edu (Christian J. Traynor)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Channel on Austin CableVision
Date: 29 Sep 1992 10:45:34 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

I recently Called Austin CableVision and their immediate plans are to discuss
the possible addition of the Sci-Fi Channel - But not till after the first of
the year.  They indicated to me that there was enough interest but due to the
red tape and bureaucracy in place at Austin CableVision it take a lot of time
to make any change, however small, that permanently affects the lineup.

I suppose it still wouldn't hurt to continue to call and badger them about
it so that they do in fact start the wheels turning around the first of the 
year.
From: matt@mathew.austin.ibm.com (Matt Accapadi)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Casino Party to raise money for National Paralysis Foundation
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:08:52 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin


On Friday October 2nd, there will be a Casino Party at the Lion's Municipal
Golf Course Clubhouse from 7pm to 11pm (at Enfield and Exposition).
Every penny from this event will be donated to the Kent Waldrep National
Paralysis Foundation for spinal cord injury research.  Kent Waldrep himself
will be there as well as the tennis players that will be playing in the
Austin Classic held on October 3rd and 4th.  The Austin Classic is a
wheelchair tennis tournament where nationally ranked tennis players are
paired with wheelchair athletes.

The Casino party's admission price of $25 will get you all the food and
drink you can handle as well as a bag of Casino chips.  At the end of the
night you can exchange your chips for tickets to a prize auction held
immediately afterwards.  We will be giving away over $2000 in prizes
including items as:
   - weekend getaways at various hotels
   - theatre tickets to several of the local theatres (Live Oak, Zachary,
     Capitol City Playhouse)
   - Esther's Follies tickets
   - dinner for two at many restaurants 
   - tennis racquets
   - much, much more.

After this auction, there will be another auction, a cash auction.  The items
included in this auction will be such items as 
   - 2  386 computers with 2M memory, 40M hardfiles, and VGA monitors
   - $900 membership to Hills Fitness


You can purchase more bags of Casino chips for an additional $15.


The tennis tournament on the 3rd and the 4th is free and will be held at
the South Austin Tennis Center from 8:30am to 3:30pm.  If you've never seen
an event like this, it will be really inspiring to see these athletes play.

The Casino party and the Austin Classic are hosted by the Austin Jaycees, a
non-profit community service and leadership training organization.

For tickets to the Casino party, call Debra Brown at 473-2075 (w)
or 447-9111 (h).
-- 
Matt Accapadi                            AWDnet: matt%mathew@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
IBM AWD AIX System Performance           Internet: matt@perfmap.austin.ibm.com
11400 Burnet Rd. Bld. 906/9632           VNET:  ACCAPADI at AUSTIN
Austin, TX 78758-3493                    yaknet: 512-838-3193  Tie 678-3193
From: john@csrnxt1.ae.utexas.edu (John R. Schutz)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Re: (Austin *ONLY*) THX - Certified Theatre List - June 1, 1992
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:38:47 GMT

acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron) writes:


>This list is the official list of THX Certified Theatres as published by the
>LucasArts Entertainment Company - THX Division.

What I'd like to know is:  Do any of these theaters really turn that
volume knob up to where it was when THX was first introduced?  I mean,
when it first came out, and they did the "The Audience is Listening"
bit at the beginning, the seats would rattle.  These days, no theater
that I have been to does this any more...any hints?
--
John R. Schutz - 3009 Hatley Dr. - Austin, TX  78746 - (512)328-0587
Newsgroups: austin.general
From: chukran@cactus.org (Rudy E. Chukran)
Subject: 5th Annual Texas Herb Market
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:43:46 GMT

Just a public service announcement about the upcoming Herb Market here
in Austin, to be held Saturday, October 10 , 10am - 5pm at Zilker
Botanical Gardens. Admission is free.
There will be all things herbal from approximately 25 Central Texas
vendors. In addition, there will be talks throughout the day on various
subjects concerning herbs in the kitchen, garden, medicine chest, and
decorative arenas. There will also be a kids corner "herb petting zoo"

Live music from Texana Dames with Thomas Ramirez, Ethyl & Methyl, and
the Susanna Sharpe Trio.

In past years, it was held behind Wheatsville Coop. This year the parking
situation should be improved at Zilker. There is limited parking in the Zilker
Gardens lot, and lots more under the Mopac Bridge and along Barton Springs
Road.

For more info, call 444-6251.


Newsgroups: austin.general
From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Subject: CableMaxx (Wireless Cable) is it worth it?
Summary: vs. Austin CableVision
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas
Distribution: austin
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:39:01 GMT

With all this talk of Cable companies in the news, with the veto and 
the override of the cable bill... and now that I'm moving from TexTel
Cable to Austin CableVision service, I'd like to explore other options.

What about CableMaxx, anyone use it?  Costs involved, stations, 
availability and reception clarity would be appreciated!

Thanks,
L.
-- 
| Lenny Tropiano           ICUS Software Systems        lenny@icus.ICUS.COM |
|               ...!{ames,cs.utexas.edu,pacbell}!icus!lenny                 |
+---------------- 14300 Tandem Blvd #222, Austin, TX 78728 -----------------+
From: claire@NeoSoft.com (Claire Sanford)
Subject: Re: Casino Party to raise money for National Paralysis Foundation
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: austin
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 03:21:06 GMT
Summary: bad mailer...



Matt,
 
Please send me an e-mail address that works.  I tried to mail you 
and it bounced.
 
Claire
-- 
claire@sugar.neosoft.com
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Newsgroups: austin.general,austin.forsale,austin.news
Subject: Yamaha XT200 for sale:
Followup-To: poster
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:03:34 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: sahara.cs.utexas.edu

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From: mohawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mohawk Dave)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Electric Guitar or Bass player wanted
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:19:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX



===================================================================
Good drummer and bassist/guitarist with club experience looking for
others (bass or guitar players) to jam with or perhaps a band.
===================================================================

What we play:
 I have played guitar in 3 bands that played punk/grunge type
 stuff, with bits of other styles here and there; all played
 almost only original songs with a few humorous covers.  I like
 writing fast (and mostly simple) original stuff, but I'm open
 to new things.  I have both a bass and a guitar.  I don't play pop.

 The drummer I am speaking of has been playing most of his
 life, and, from my brief experience with him, I think he's
 good and can play many styles.  He'll play whatever comes
 up.

 Both of us are upper-division CS majors at UT.

BUT there are problems; the drummer now lives in an apartment
complex that doesn't like his drumming, and I had to leave some
of my equipment at home because I couldn't transport it to my
dorm. I have a small amp that is sufficient for practicing.


If you're interested in getting together and trying something
out, please reply to mohawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: dunham@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Roof!  Roof!
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:07:12 GMT
Reply-To: dunham@mpd.tandem.com (Jerry Dunham)
Distribution: austin
Organization: Tandem Computers; Austin TX
Originator: dunham@stud

I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I either didn't read it or
kept no record.  Who out there has had a roof replaced in the past few years?
What were your experiences, both good and bad?  Who did you have do the work?
Would you recommend them?

If I don't do something soon, I'm going to have unglazed skylights, and I 
currently have NO skylights!

Thanks for the help.

-- 
Jerry Dunham                   DoF #1.5             dunham_jerry@tandem.com
Tandem Computers, Inc.                                dunham@mpd.tandem.com
Austin, TX                                                    (512)244-8598
                 This opinion intentionally left blank.
Newsgroups: austin.general,tx.general
From: cheselka@cactus.org (Michael R. M. Cheselka)
Subject: Re: dude ranches
Keywords: central texas, year-round
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: austin
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.145432.2315@mcc.com> rsb@mcc.com (Richard S. Brice) writes:
>
>Hey Dudes
>
>A friend is looking for a family oriented dude ranch in central Texas
>during the Christmas season.  It should include a little bit of
>"roughing it", but mostly organized activities, e.g. horse back riding,
>campfire cookouts, hay rides, fishing, maybe an overnight campout, but
>mostly indoor accomodations.

I don't know of any family oriented dude ranches in the area, but there are
several fine media-elite liberal dude ranches.  Activities include watching
Murphy Brown on battery powered TV's in the woods.
-- 
cheselka@cactus.org               N5UVV              Michael R. M. Cheselka
os9@gnu.ai.mit.edu        Hangs out on 145.21mhz       400 W. 34th st. #103
membership@cactus.org                                 Austin, TX 78705-1331
{...}!cs.utexas!cactus.org!cheselka (512)452-9412v ( 24hours answer. mach.)
From: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: (Austin *ONLY*) THX - Certified Theatre List - June 1, 1992
Date: 27 Sep 1992 14:39:51 -0500
Organization: Lightning Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


> excerpt from Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

Listing of THX Certified Theatres                          Updated: June 1 1992
---------------------------------                          --------------------

This list is the official list of THX Certified Theatres as published by the
LucasArts Entertainment Company - THX Division.

                                    |Number | Screen   |                    |
                                    |of THX | #'s that |                    |
     Name of Theatre                |Screens| are THX  | City             State
===============================================================================
[ excerpt: Austin Only ]            |       |          |                    |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ACT III Presidio Arbor Cinema       |   3   |  #2 - 4  | Austin             |TX
ACT III Presidio Lakehills Cinema 4 |   1   |    #1    | Austin             |TX
ACT III Presidio Lk.Creek Festival 8|   3   |  #4 - 6  | Austin             |TX
ACT III Presidio Lincoln Theatre 3  |   3   |  #1 - 3  | Austin             |TX
GCC Barton Creek Cinema             |   1   |    #3    | Austin             |TX
GCC Great Hills Cinema 8            |   2   |  #1 & 8  | Austin             |TX
GCC Highland Cinema 10              |   3   | #5, 6, 9 | Austin             |TX


All spelling errors are mine.  If you have any corrections or additions to this
list, please e-mail them to me at:

acct069@carroll1.cc.edu  or
carroll1!acct069@uwm.edu

I'll re-post this list every so often.

-- 
Ron                      | Lightning Systems, INC. | Apple // Forever!
acct069@carroll1.cc.edu  | (414) 363-4282  62megs  | Van Halen Rules! 
carroll1!acct069@uwm.edu | 14.4k HST/V.32bis       | Bill & Ted are cool!

Newsgroups: austin.general
From: ariel@dogface.austin.tx.us (Ariel Woods)
Subject: Hiking/exploring partners wanted
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:37:50 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Looking for healthy, sturdy vagabond with whom to explore woods & hills.
No children. Prefer someone who works or lives near the Mopac corridor,
for spontaneous activities. Not looking to teach or inspire you;
want someone already prone to roam for fossils, old houses, creeks.

Ariel
-- 
******************************                           **********************
*       Ariel Woods          *                           *     U.S. Out Of    *
* ariel@dogface.austin.tx.us *                           *        Texas!      *
******************************                           **********************
From: don@dlong.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: natural gas cars
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:57:35 GMT
Followup-To: donlong@voyager.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin

Jon Rodder writes :
>
>I've been involved in two student design competitions for natural
>gas vehicles (NGV's).  The first question I have is why do you want
>to convert to natural gas?  It takes quite a few miles for you to
>break even on the cost of version, and a modern fuel-injected gasoline
>vehicle has equal or lower emission (HC and CO depend on how well
>the conversion is done, NOx is through the roof natural gas unless
>you come up with your own strategy for reducing combustion temp and
>somehow get ahold of NOx reducing catalysts that are compatible with
>methane).  Also, if you have a "clasic" conversion done, where the
>vehicle can run on CNG or gasoline, you will loose 10-20% power and
>economy....  a dedicated natural gas engine should have a compression
>ratio in the range of 14:1 (either mechanical or mechanical plus
>boost effective c/r).
>-- 
>Jon D. Rodder
>rodder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>

My main reason is environmental.  I'm not an expert and must rely on what
I read and "experts" tell me.  What I was told by the Southern Union Gas
conversion center here in Austin is :
   - 15% of the emmissions of gasoline
   - double engine life due to less corrosive fuel
   - no performance degradation
So I was suprised by your response.  Guess I'm going to call these people
back and ask them about your points of opposition.

-- 
================================================================================
Donald Long                       email:    donlong@austin.ibm.com
Advanced Workstation Division     VNET:     donlong@ausvm6.austin.ibm.com
IBM Corporation                   internet: donlong@voyager.austin.ibm.com
From: erik@natinst.com (Erik Crank)
Newsgroups: austin.general
Subject: Travel Agencies [for travel to South America]
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:47:24 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

Does anyone know of a travel agent in the Austin area
that has experience with cheap travel to South America?
I have flown on LAP a number of times and was able to 
get good prices from an agency in Houston.  Most places
we have checked don't have much experience with this
type of travel.