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From:         wheelerc <32WHEELER@CUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness

I am VERY right handed, and somewhat dyslexic (including spelling problems).
Does this mean that I have a left handed soul, or that I'm as strange as
people have been telling me?

Carol E. Wheeler

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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:24:37 -0600
From:         MASOUDER@ALEX.STKATE.EDU
Subject:      Movies? Epic dude!
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:20:38 EST Cal <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> said:
> Do any fifty year old films resonate to
> current twenty year olds not aspiring to go to Hollywood and get rich before
> they are twenty five?

When I was teaching on the Zuni Reservation in New Mex.  I showed the
8th graders "High Noon" the proper way--using a projector and a screen.

The kids were more ESL ten years ago when I was there but they were on the
edge of their seats by the time Gary Cooper was about to meet the bad guys.

Mick Souder
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From:         Herb Feldstein <HFELDSTE@SNYESCVA.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: A reply to J. Emmons on Nixon ...

AMEN!\
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Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:20:38 EST Cal <PRYLUCK@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> said:
> Do any fifty year old films resonate to
> current twenty year olds not aspiring to go to Hollywood and get rich before
> they are twenty five?

Last summer, we went to the newly renovated Fox Theatre in Detroit
(late 1920s monument to movie-house orientalism) to see "Casablanca."
Both viewing environment and film resonated to my 10 and 13 year old
boys.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:58:28 MET
From:         George Welling <welling@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      Re: JESUITS IN 17TH C HOLLAND
              from"BLASERPF8052@SNYONEVA.bitnet" at Nov 22, 92 10:59 pm

>
>
>
> I need information on jesuit presence in 17th c. Holland.
> The information is for research on the painter Vermeer, so
> if there is and info out there that relates specifically
> to jesuits in Delft it would be especially helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Blaser
> Blaserpf8052@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
>
The Roman Catholic church was officially forbidden during the 17th century in
the Netherlands. There was a "church in hiding", but I doubt if you will find
much about the jesuits. You may have more success contacting the Katholiek
Documentatie Centrum in Nijmegen. I will look up their e-mail number for you
and send it one of the next days.

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:52:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: "22 November, A Day's Remembrance"

On Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:12:40 -0600 "VALENTINE M. SMITH"
<CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET> said:

> He
> LIKED being President, no matter that much of what he tried failed.

This observation is true of George Bush.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
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dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:24:45 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Speling
              20 Nov 1992 15:32:27 PST from <webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSU S.EDU>

On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:32:27 PST Don W. said:
>
>The problem is that everywhere except e-mail, misspellings are
>taboo in the U.S., akin to belching in public or sticking out
>one's little finger while drinking from a teacup.
>
Uhhh. . . no, I don't buy the above, I'm afraid.  I find misspellings in news
papers, magazines, TV captions, signs, etc. ad inf.  Nearly 20 years ago, one
of my hardest problems was to get students to spell even the easy words
correctly; I doubt the problem has gotten any better!
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:36:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:39:06 EST Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET> said:
>
> I think that LBJ was probably a borderline pshchotic for much of his
> administration.

Actually, he was a borderline war criminal.

Denis Paz
Department of History
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:53:30 -0400
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Subject:      JESUITS IN 17TH C. HOLLAND

JESUITS IN 17TH C. HOLLAND#5Da
From: webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU (Don W.)
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Subject: Lefthandedness
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:52:26 GMT
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Was "Presidential Dissabilities" [sic(k)]

>I am a leftie in all parts of my life ('cept baseball) and most of the lefties
 I
>    know, myself included, have trouble with words and tend to inverse letters
 w
>   hen we are writting,
>
>Giuliano "Lefties rule" Valentino WANNAKER@DAL1

When I write left-handed, it's a mirror image of the way I write
right-handed.  Anybody else notice this phenomenon?

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:02:45 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad
              16 Nov 1992 11:36:00 EST from <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>

Denis, why do you think that LBJ was a war criminal?  I'm serious.

Lenny
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>The invention of the wheel might beat out the moon trips as
>"most important technological accomplishment in the history
>of the human race", for those who are into awarding such
>silly and meaningless prizes. Others would be the smelting
>of metal, the flaking of flint, the brewing of beer, the
>invention of printing from moveable type, and the invention
>of weaving.
>
>Denis Paz
>History--Clemson

I might add to this list the taming of fire.

Jeff Kvaal
Brown University
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From:         Brett Person <person@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: JFK's disabilities
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              "MCCLELLAN@urvax.bitn

I'd nevwr heard of this before.   I'll have to look into it some more.
Yes, I have my own theory.  There is an entire usenet ( alternet) news group
devoted to theories of JFK's assasination - see alt.conspiracy.jfkc


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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 11:27:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

On Sat, 14 Nov 1992 06:49:30 EST "James G. Carrier"
<jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU> said:

> On Nov 13, 11:24pm, Lenny wrote:
> > Our national epic was our trips to the Moon.  The most important
> technological
> > accomplishment in the history of the human race.
>
> After all, who would seriously compare the trip to the moon to the invention
> of penicillin (sp?) for bettering the human condition; or indeed, for those
> whose memories strech back to iron lungs, the Salk vaccine?

The invention of the wheel might beat out the moon trips as
"most important technological accomplishment in the history
of the human race", for those who are into awarding such
silly and meaningless prizes. Others would be the smelting
of metal, the flaking of flint, the brewing of beer, the
invention of printing from moveable type, and the invention
of weaving.

Denis Paz
History--Clemson
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:17:26 MST
From:         ICJME@ASUACAD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

Greetings and Salutations
But is the United States now, or has it ever been, a nation of the type that
will enjoy an epic? We are split into so many little groups that as RAH said a
long time ago, we have lost our sense (if we ever had any) of nationhood and
singularity. We are too involved with being hyphenate Americans and have given
up on just being "American."
  Next step: Balkanization of North America. (Canada will go after the US
falls.) If not Balkanization, then a short period of
facism/socialism/communism - then the fall. Welcome to the future :-| (no
smiley).

|---------------|
|Jim Emmons     |  The lion and the lamb may lie down together,
|<icjme@asuacad>|  but
|---------------|  the lamb won't get much sleep.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:41:00 PST
From:         FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Theodore Roosevelt
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Dick Marti:

More on the Morris bio of TR:

Title: _The Rise of Theo. Toosevelt_

Morris: according to the jacket flap, it says he is a former contributing
editor of the NYT, and lives in NYC.

I have been waiting for the companion volume, and don't know if he
ever finished it before commencing his work on Ronald Reagan.

-Steve Fox-
History Department
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Arcata, CA  95521
(707) 826-4788
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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: A reply to J. Emmons on Nixon ...
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:04:22 EST

In article <HISTORY%92112300150687@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> ICJME@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Greetings and Salutations
>I think you hit the nail on the head about Reagan and Bush: tweedle-dee and
>tweedle-dum! <loud guffaw> I also think that many truths about the period of
>the 1960s to 1974 will be clouded under the Nixon umbrella for the next few
>generations - he so affected American political life and conditions. He is
>frequently seen as the best/worst thing that happened during that time. Maybe
>our grandchildren? All of the "objective" writing I have seen has had an
>obvious ulterior motive.

I once had a mentor at UMass describing a project he would like to
undertake in his last few years of academic work: "1947-1985: The Nixon   
Era". It was his opinion (as a McCarthy liberal) that Richard Nixon in
many ways embodied and defined the Cold War period, and that a new
interpretation on the man and his political life was waiting to be written.
Any thought on this idea??

Chris
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
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Subject: Re: Presidents who studied abroad
Date: 15 Nov 92 01:35:59 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

In article <HISTORY%92111211344359@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> Elliot Palais <IACESP@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>From: Elliot Palais
>Although scholars of Woodrow Wilson's time typically studied
>abroad, Wilson never did, possibly because his first career
>choice was the law. Of seven faculty members at newly
>established Bryn Mawr, Wilson was the only one who had not
>studied in Germany and who had not yet earned a Ph.D. Another
>reason for the lack of overseas study: a learning disability
>(a form of dyslexia?) that caused some reading problems and
>difficulty in mastering foreign languages. See August Heckscher,
>Woodrow Wilson (NY: Scribner, 1991). Of course, he was President
>of Princeton University.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure about WW, but I'm glad someone 
informed me all the same.

Chris
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:15:52 -0500
From:         wheelerc <32WHEELER@CUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Speling

        I was told by an education professor that difficulties with spelling
and dislexia are related.  My problem isn't just a few troublesome words--but I
have always had trouble because I can't tell if a word "looks" right.  I can
write a troublesome word 3 of 4 ways and they all look equally right.  [I used
to try this approach on papers and during tests--on the assumption that I would
luck out at least once in the course of the test.]  I also have trouble with
numbers, usually the last 2 digits will switch places when I look away--it's
just like them.
        I thank the gods for the gift of spellcheck, and just wish I had known
when I was younger that it was a wiring problem and not stupidity that made me
one of the first out on every spelling bee.

Carol
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:34:23 EST
From:         Tom Ricks <RICKS@VILLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      US EPIC

History Colleagues: I have enjoyed your comments on the issue of whether or not
 we have a "national epic", particularly the issue of genre of the "modern" epi
c. It may well be that the US EPIC or "epitaph" will be our technological know-
how, or at least a symbol of our technological achievements. Traditionally, epi
c poems were, as one of our colleagues has stated, part of the mass culture's c
onsciousness, passed down from generations by story tellers much like the griot
 in West Africa, and encompassing a set of values and "national" aspirations.

I suspect that the all the comments on e-mail contain much of the answer to my
questions. If the Civil War is our country's "watershed" event, then our nation
al "epic" by song, film or story should/might spring from those days and issues
, ie, Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin, the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" or, in the s
pirit of the times, Twain's Tom Sawyer or Huck. Of course, "Gone With the Wind"
is a major film/filmmaking event as was the recent Ken Burn's Civil War series.
Walt Whitman's "Leaves of Grass" is an excellent choice, but...how popular was
or is the poem. Except for a bridge in Philadelphia/Camden area, few folks
around here know about him, I suspect.

I've passed on your comments to my students and they thank all of you as
do I once again!   Tom
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:49:46 EST
From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC
              15 Nov 1992 11:27:00 EST from <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET>

Well, Denis, at least we agree that the Apollo project is right up there
with wheels and metal in the list of human achievements.

Its good to see you suddenly appreciating this country.  Warms my heart.

Lenny
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From:         "Orville G. Marti" <OMARTI@TIFTON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Theodore Roosevelt
              20 Nov 1992 14:41:00 PST from <FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:41:00 PST <FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU> said:
>Dick Marti:
>
>More on the Morris bio of TR:
>
>Title: _The Rise of Theo. Toosevelt_
>
>Morris: according to the jacket flap, it says he is a former contributing
>editor of the NYT, and lives in NYC.
>
>I have been waiting for the companion volume, and don't know if he
>ever finished it before commencing his work on Ronald Reagan.

    Steve, thanx for this info.  I have been searching for information
    about a visit that TR allegedly made to Spartanburg SC sometime
    during his presidency, apparently to visit local politicians.  Since
    I am neither a TR scholar nor a historian, I am fundamentally
    unfamiliar with the sources of info. for such a search.

>
>-Steve Fox-
>History Department
>Humboldt State University
>Arcata, CA  95521
>(707) 826-4788
>Internet:  foxs@axe.humboldt.edu

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Orville G. Marti, Jr.       OMARTI@TIFTON               Dick Marti

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understanding (which has been done hitherto), but the understanding is
to be expanded and opened till it can take in the image of the world."
       .....Francis Bacon        from        "The Parasceve"
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From:         "Orville G. Marti" <OMARTI@TIFTON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Theodore Roosevelt
              19 Nov 1992 14:09:00 PST from <FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

On Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:09:00 PST <FOXS@AXE.HUMBOLDT.EDU> said:
>Dick Marti:
>
>Edmund Morris, journalist in NYC, I believe, wrote an EXCELLENT bio
>of Teddy.
>
>-Steve Fox-
>History Department
>Humboldt State University
>Arcata, CA  95521
>(707) 826-4788
>Internet:  foxs@axe.humboldt.edu


  Steve: thanx a million for this info.  It's the first lead I've had.

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Orville G. Marti, Jr.       OMARTI@TIFTON               Dick Marti

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"...the world is not to be narrowed till it will go into the
understanding (which has been done hitherto), but the understanding is
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       .....Francis Bacon        from        "The Parasceve"
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From: vancleef@netcom.com (Henry van Cleef)
Subject: Re: Presidents who studied abroad
Organization: Netcom--posted from Andover, Mass.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:39:17 GMT

Herbert Hoover's education was US---Stanford.  

He and his wife together translated Agricola's "De Re Metallica" in
1912, a fine and very readable bit of scholarship with notes to clarify
obscure terms, etc.  
-- 
Hank van Cleef  vancleef@netcom.com vancleef@tmn.com  Andover, Mass.
Unix systems consultant---kernel, device drivers, networking, X11
SysV, BSD, Sun, Ultrix, AIX, SCO. Porting a specialty. 
	     The Union Institute  History of Science
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From:         Allan Adler <adler@RISC1.ACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      NAS
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In order to receive a computer terminal from someone I never met,
I had to meet her at a lecture she was attending tonight at URI.
The lecture was entitled, "What went wrong with women's studies".
The lecture was sponsored by a group called NAS, the National
Association of Scholars.

The speaker's main beef was that women's studies departments will not
hire a Conservative Feminist, that the course materials are superficial,
as compared to reading Hume, and that the teaching methods are intrusive
brainwashing.

After looking at their literature I figured out that they are 3 years old
and apparently formed in reaction to the concept of Political Correctness.

Wandering around the room, I overheard women saying, "They can't tell me that
I'm not a feminist because I am pro life!" I've heard this claim that
feminists can be pro-life before, from evangelical types.

So I think I have their number: they are fascists. They seem to be the
equivalent in feminism of creationist science.

I have on occasion had my own criticisms of some assertions of "feminist
theory", but I don't think they reach a lower level than I have seen
generally in the social sciences. But even if I were outraged by the
feminist theory, I wouldn't like these NAS people any better.

These are my own naive impressions of a first meeting. I would be interested
in hearing from others who might have more information about their activities.

Allan Adler
adler@risc1.acc.uri.edu
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lefthandedness
              19 Nov 1992 09:00:57 MET from <welling@FREYA.LET.R UG.NL>

On Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:00:57 MET George Welling said:
>Is there a connection between computer-programming and left-handedness. In our
>department the righties are a very small minority, me being one of them.
>Playing guitar has made my left hand stronger than my right hand, but I still
>cannot write left handed in a way that someone else might be able to read it.
>My twins, two girls of three plus year old, have not made up their minds yet
>about left or right: when they draw, they use both hands, without favouring
>one of them. I wonder when they will make a choice.
>
There's a mild association between lefthandedness, ability in math, and auto-
immune disorders (allergies, but more than just that for some).  My personal
observations are that ability in what can loosely be called language arts is
more important to programming skill than ability in math.  In general, as it
depends heavily on what type of programming the individual is doing.

Perhaps your little ones *won't* make a choice!  I find that most lefties are
ambidextrous to some extent out of necessity, but the one or two true ambi-
individuals I have met seemed to be very sharp overall & more in tune with the
world they inhabit than the rest of us.
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