From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:30:00 GMT

Many responses regarding QY and translation of 3 guo, here are responses:  

        1.  From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
        "All four dimensions of this universe seem to change little,
        But how the human history has made a difference!"
                
        [ I like this translation, but it seems like an interpretation of 
          the original instead of a translation ] 

        2.  From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
        Sorry for my ignorance of this, I thought that is yours. But that d     
        des not change the fact that QY and Lan Hua Cao3 has niang2 niang2
        qiang1.  Many of Hu's poems and his personality, have some niang2
  
        [ Among the d-fighters at that time, Hu is known as a hidden one, sor   
        ta like Shannon Yeh.  Li3 Da4 zhao1 is known as radical, sorta
        like ZHQ. ]
  
        3.  From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
        But my favorite writer is Lin Yan1 Ni1. Just don't know 
        whether you guys have a chance to read her essays.
        
        [ I have never heard of her, is she Taiwan ren? Anyway the name
          sounds too sugary to me. ]

        4.  From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
        correct translation should be:
        The 3-D world seems keeping the same beautiful, but
        the 4th dimension is extending to infinity without any noise.
        Better than yours, Eh?
    
        [ How about:
           a).  The society might have been changing, although we are
                not tataly sure about this; 
           b).  The nature seems to be timelessly pretty regardless what 
                the society is doing
           c).  In the final analysis, time is a major factor, but
                it has not made much noise.  Like an old saying puts it: "the   
               dog that doesn't bark bites the worst."  ]

         5.  From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
         Well, those are hard to translate. But while we are on this,
         I have long been wondering how the American expression
         "Have a nice day" should be translated into chinese. Although
         we called ourselves (or our ancesters called themselves) Li3 
         Yi4 Zhi1 Bang1, it seems to me we don't really have an equivalent
         expression in daily use. Am I wrong?

         [ We don't have "Have a nice day."  But we do have "wan4 shou4 wu2 jia 
          ng1" and "yong3 yuan3 jian4 kang2," and for everyday use we have
           "jin1 tian1 tian1 qi4 hahaha." ]

         6.  From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
         You guys did not get the original meaning.  It says,
              The rivers and mountains stay unchaged,
              although the setting sun isn't always red.

         [ My question is whether we have all mistaken "How many degrees 
           the sun is" as "How many times the sun have been red." ]
        
         7.  From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu
         I think this verse should be interpreted as 'blue mountains remain
         the same and countless sunset is always as red as before' Only this
         can truly reflect the breath of vision of silver-haired proletarian
         fisherman and timberman (Bai2Fa1 Yu2 Qiao2). 8-). 

         [ Luo2 Guan4zhong is not a gong4 chan3 dang3 yuan2, so the fisherman
           should not be wu2 chan3 jie1 ji2. ]      

         8.  From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
         What the original verses mean is this:  
           Rivers and Mountains are still stuck on the earth, 
           while it spins around its axis  one cycle per day. 

         [ I suggest the gold medal goes to xiaofei pending on drug test
           result and Mr. Fang Lizhi's approval. ]

         9.  Based on the above, the rank is:

         Einstain >= LuoGuanZhong > Newton >>> WXF > LIX > DHSY >
         STACC > SANYEE

         Period.
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