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From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: It Is High Time to Stop Under-Utilizing Half of Muslim Population
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:34:42 GMT
Followup-To: soc.religion.islam
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1eoftsINNet9@life.ai.mit.edu> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>In <722385590@flounder.cs.duke.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>
>"    The message of Islam, my friends, is clearly that both men and
>" women should seek understanding of the material and spritual world.
>" Why, then, do we discourage muslim women from this pursuit. After all
>" women constitute (the more important) half of our population (since
>" their influence in raising the progeny exceeds that of men).
>
>   I (almost) completely agree with this opinion, but I want to add that
>it is high time too to start utilising the first half of Muslim population 
>at all.

	   Yes, thanks Nabeel, for re-emphasizing the importance of
knowledge for the "other" half of muslim population. I prefer "other"
half over "first" half, because I really, honeslty believe that women
form the "first" half of the population when it comes to grroming our
progeny. 

>   Also, the emphasis in Islam is on the spiritual knowledge. Material
>knowledge has no significance in Islam unless it serves the spiritual
>aspect and the cause of our existance. For example, knowledge to play
>poker has no significance.

	   Whereas I agree with your poker comment, one should be careful
not to discount scientific, social, and human knowledge that enables
humans to understand this world better... to settle the material ends,
so that they can pursue spiritual excellence. 

>   The quality of knowledge must be emphasised. Collecting university
>degrees can hardly imply good level of useful knowledge or the use
>thereof. Now Muslims with university degrees are much more than they
>were say 1000 years ago, but so what?

	   Collecting degrees in itself is not an end, but sometimes it
can be used as means to a greater end. Having said that, I must
confess that the understanding (spiritual and material) I have gained
in the privacy of my own mind, is much more valuable to than any thing
I learned in the suffocating confines of a classroom.


>/   /_  /   /   /_  \__//     "Now, the time is moving on
>____________________ _/___    and I really should be gone"--Brotherhood of Man
>\ Nabeel M Ghuzlaan //                        in "Save All Your Kisses For Me"

	   Salman [changing the way he thinks about reality] Azhar




-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: gt0009b@prism.gatech.edu (rahim)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Quran and immortality
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:30:38 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



In article <1ejl8tINNkrp@life.ai.mit.edu> <khan@twg.COM> writes:
<In <1eel28INN135@life.ai.mit.edu> gt0009b@prism.gatech.edu (rahim) writes:

<>I want to know what references the Quran makes to the immortality
<>of human beings?  Exact verses will be much appreciated.
<
<there are references to the opposite, and there are many of them, for
<example:
<
<21:35
<" Every soul shall taste of death, and We try you with evil and good for 
<a testing, then to Us you shall be returned."
<
<55:26
<" All that (dwells) upon it (the earth) is perishing. "

I am sorry to ask a vague question.  I wanted to ask if there is any
part of a human being that survives after death, according to
the Quran?

I am interested in finding out how Muslims view their future after death.

rahim
-- 
"We do not mourn the loss of those who die fulfilling their destinies."
                                                  -The Forestmaster
                                        _Dragons of Autumn Twilight_
From: ega029@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Lami Kaya)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Brotherhood in Islam
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:27:08 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.


Peace be upon all who seek and follow the divine guidance,

Dear brothers/sisters,

I'm trying to compile hadith/verses/stories on the subject of
"Brotherhood in Islam". If anyone of you have any such material
(article, khtuba, etc) and want you share it with us, I'll be grateful
to receive a copy. Please note that if you do not have any ready 
typed material, then do not bother to type them on my request.

Many thanks in advance.

Lami
From: rached@taylor.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: MONITOR: soc.culture.arabic (Non-Muslims in an Islamic State)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:58:37 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Reply-To: rached@taylor.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

Article: 7883 of soc.culture.arabic
From: suresh@papaya.iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar)
Subject: Re: ARAB UNITY
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:41:40 GMT

Will you enlighten us about "Jizya", which was a religious tax extracted from
Non-Muslims by the Islamic Mughal empire which ruled over parts present-day
India, Pakistan and Afghanistan in the name of Islam ? 

"Jizya" I believe is an Urdu word but I'm not sure how to say it in Arabic.

>Did you study the history of Non_Muslims in an Islamic State ?

The Only Mughal emperor whom all Indians readily praise was Emperor Akbar
who was secularist. All the devoutly Islamic Mughal Emperors  like Babur,
Humayan, and Aurangzeb are remembered with anger  and scorn by people of
other religions because of the persecution and humiliation their ancestors
had to bear for their religious beliefs. 

Perhaps you would like to hear about the Parsee community which is India's
most prosperous community ... they are fire-worshippers who were expelled
from Persia(modern-day Iran) en-masse( to stay back would have meant either
death or conversion) by the Islamic rulers about 400(??) years ago and who 
found hospitality and shelter in India and the freedom to practice their 
beliefs... the Parsi community is probably the best educated and most 
prosperous community in the world, man for man.. 

Perhaps you would like to know that there are hundreds of thousands
of refugee Chakmas(Buddhists) in India who have fled to escape death
and persecution from the Muslims in Bangladesh and refuse any attempt 
by India to repatriate them preferring to be shot rather than go back.

Not to say that Islam encourages such persecution of course but the fact is
it evokes the kind of fanaticism that gives rise to such behaviour. In this
respect, Islam scarcely differs from Christianity(witness the Spanish 
Inquisition) or Judaism.


/Suresh
From: j_obeid@pavo.concordia.ca (OBEID, JIHAD)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Seminar on Bosnia
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:37:26 GMT
Organization: Concordia University





In The Name of Allah, The Merciful, The Compassionate.

SEMINAR & VIDEO PRESENTATION ON
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Speakers:  Zafar Bangash, Editor of "Crescent International"

               A Bosnian Eyewitness to the massacres.

                Followed by a panel discussion.

Time    :  6:30 - 9:30 pm
Date    :  Friday the 20th, November, 1992.
Place   :  Concordia University - 1455 De Maisonneuve O.
                Room H-937, 9th floor.

Organized by :  Students' Association For Muslim Awareness(SAMA)
in collaboration with : The Italian Students' Association (I.S.A.)
                                of Concordia University.
"Al-Etehad atoulabi lel-tawe'yh El-esslamieh"
From: cdawkins@axion.bt.co.uk (Abd Al-Karim Dawkins)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Any Sufi related resources on the Internet?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:06:04 GMT
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs
Reply-To: cdawkins@axion.bt.co.uk (Abd Al-Karim Dawkins)
NNTP-Posting-Host: spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu

I hope not....
Abd Al-Karim

p'ch'zarni'chiwkov:  the nasty little sound of a sword being unsheathed right
behind one at just the point when one thought one had disposed of one's enemies.
From: cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Rea)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Sexuality (was: Re: REFRESH)
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:50:20 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.

> A few times I have made some postings setting out my reasons for supporting
> polygamous marriages in certain limited and well defined circumstances.
> I will not run over these again. 

Someone sent me some e-mail asking me about this, but I accidentally
deleted it, if that was you please send again.

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From: Lubosh.Hanuska@anu.edu.au (Lubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Need Christian Jokes...
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:05:43 GMT
Organization: Australian National University

Another one:
>A man had just arrived and the Pearly Gates,
and saw two entrances there. A big sign above the first one read: "For
those who have been submit to their wives all their lives", and there was
a long long queue of men there. The other one had a sign "For those who
have never been submit to their wives", and nobody was waiting there. The
man chose the second entrance, and as St Peter saw it, he came to him
saying : "Congratulations ! You are the first one to pass through here!
And tell me, is it true that you have never ever been under your wife's
command ?" And the man replied: "Well, I don't really know what you're
talking about - I came to this one because my wife told me to always take
the shorter queue."
From: bgingric@nyx.cs.du.edu (Barry L. Gingrich)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Grace Ministries??
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:17:25 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

Hi.  Can anyone out there give me any information on a group called
"Grace Ministries" that is based in Tulsa, Oklahoma?  Are they 
affiliated with a particular denomination?  In general, what do
they do?

I realize the vagueness of my question, but would greatly appreciate
any help.  Thanks.
--
- Barry L. Gingrich                                 bgingric@nyx.cs.du.edu
                                this one's faster-->gingrich@fsl.noaa.gov
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Sexuality (was: Re: REFRESH)
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:49:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <Nov.19.01.59.26.1992.870@geneva.rutgers.edu> news@cbnewsk.att.com writes:
>it's true that we are sexual beings, and it's true that there is a normal
>exploratory phase of sexuality where mastubation is not a matter of right 
>or wrong since the participator is unaware of their physiology.  Associating
>guilt with such normal behavior is harmful.

There are other things that we might consider "normal" that are sinful.  
How many of us have never told a lie?  How many times have we been boastful?
Or contentious?  

If you really think about it, do you think that Paul and Barnabas performed
this act on themselves on their missionary journeys?  Or do you think
that Jesus did this?
From: schlegel@cwis.unomaha.edu (Mark Schlegel)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: God is dead said nitzche
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:20:59 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman) writes:

>"God is dead!!"proclaimed Nitzche proudly!!  Nitzche is now dead.In
>more ways than one.  "Nitzche is dead!!" But God would not be happy


HEY!  Who is this Nitzche guy that plagarized Nietzsche's work??
:)

Seriously, this is a BIG underestimation and misunderstanding of what
he meant by that....he meant that you.. many of you average people were finding
it harder to believe in god, science and faith in the truth of science had
diminished him in in your minds.  This is not an objective statement about
god existing and then disappearing for some reason (in other words, dying)
Please look at the rest of the quote, you will see that Nietzsche blames 
everyone this, "We are his murderers, you and I!"
Mark
From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: (long) Re: suicide- is it a sin in God's eyes.
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:18:58 GMT
Organization: Engineering and Support Division, NEC America, Inc.

Since you are using quotes from my article, I thought I should try
to clarify my statements.

Christopher A. White (caw@gtech.com) wrote:
: So far, most of the suicide/sin discussion has seemed to run on the 
: assumption that the person is rational. However, suicide is a 
: thoroughly irrational act (in most cases). We need to consider the
: suicidal person as being mentally incapable of rationalizing in the
: way that we are talking about. I don't believe that suicide is sin 
: because the person is not able to comprehend the cause/effect nature
: that that concept involves.

I believe that this type of line of reasoning can be dangerous.  We
must always remember that regardless of *why* a person committed a
sin (regardless of the sin), the person has still committed a sin.
Are you saying that an irrational person is incapable of committing
any sin?  Is murder a sin when committed by an irrational person?

: I also find the concept that 'if you kill yourself your denying God's
: power to help you' an offensive statement. It is a concise, meaningless
: and abstract evaluation of a complicated, meaningful and real problem.
: Such a statement is about as helpful as telling them to 'Just pray
: about it.' No! As a body of believers we must start digging in and
: finding real (read: concrete and specific) ways to identify, treat and
: prevent the suicidal individual.

Regardless of the offensiveness of the statement, it is still true.
I did not mean to imply that you should just tell a suicidal person
to "just pray about it".  That would be ludicrous.  *We* are to pray
for that person and to help that person to the best of our ability.

: And as for the argument that it is sin because you are hurting those
: that love you - hogwash! The suicidal person fully believes that
: (s)he is a) doing what their loved ones really want them to do, ...

I know that a suicidal person feels that way.  That is why we must tell
them they are *wrong*.  That is one of the ways we are to reach out to
them:  tell them that their loved ones truly do love them and will be
hurt and devistated, not helped, by a suicide.

: We should stop trying to condemn the suicidal person and console everyone
: else and start condeming ourselves and consoling the suicidal person
: *before* they act.

Nowhere did I say that we are to condemn the suicidal person.  (Actually
we should not be condemning anyone.)  I tried to stress that we are to
love and help the suicidal person as best as we are able.  However, that
does nothing to change the fact (IMO) that suicide is a sin.

I went out of my way to say that we should not condemn a suicidal person.
Why do you disregard my statements and assume that I do anyway just
because I say that suicide is a sin?

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
From: DSIMON@atlas.nafb.trw.com (D_SIMON)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Ends justify the means?
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:53:09 GMT

>>This is just a tangetical thought (or maybe not). I have often asked 
>>people the question: "If you got nothing from serving Christ; no power,
>>no peace, no wisdom, no love; if you still went to hell (which you
>>still deserve); if you go *nothing* of benefit from serving Christ, 
>>would you?" 

I can answer YES to this question pretty easily.  A much more difficult
question would be:

What if the only way to get into heaven was to reject Christ?
If enemies of Christ got into heaven while Xians went to hell,
would you still serve Christ?

- Dan Simon -
From: Richter@lrz.lrz-muenchen.dbp.de (Helmut Richter)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Taize query
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:36:32 GMT
Reply-To: Richter@lrz.lrz-muenchen.dbp.de
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

conan@wish-bone.berkeley.edu (David Cruz-Uribe) writes:

>In article <Nov.17.03.19.14.1992.26202@geneva.rutgers.edu> S.Courtenage@cs.ucl.ac.uk (SA Courtenage) writes:

>>I would like to know how I can apply to go to this Christian retreat
>>in France. Does anyone have an address for Taize that I can write to?

>In 1984 I went to Taize and literally just showed up.  They did not seem
>to mind and had procedures in place to deal with people who dropped in.
>(However, this was in late November--they are much busier in the summer.)

In order just to show up, one must know where it is. Taize is in the
departement Saone-et-Loire, about 4 km north of Cluny (where the famous
abbey was in the Middle Ages). The whole thing is between Macon and Chalon,
north of Lyon in the Saone valley.

The postal code is F-71250. Taize is small enough that you don't need
an address. If you just write to "Communaute de Taize, F-71250 Taize",
it will arrive. They understand virtually any language.

Regards,
Helmut
From: rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ralph W. Reid III)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: thought for the day (11-18)
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:41:54 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

Wednesday, November 18:

     Jehovah your God is a merciful God.  He will not desert you or
bring you to ruin or forget the covenant of your forefathers that
he swore to them.  <Deuteronomy 4: 31>

-- 
Ralph.  N6BNO.  NOW LOOKING FOR A JOB!
Phone 1-916-345-9155.
lectromail- rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu.
I do not waste time expressing others' opinions!
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: suicide- is it a sin in God's eyes.
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:33:39 GMT
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI

How will God pass judgement
Between me and thee?
In a just a few moments now
I'll be able to see
The desperate cry of a hurting soul
Or the ear that turned away deaf
Who will be judged harshest when
I'm gone and you are left?


Topher
-- 
 Christopher A. White                    | 
 caw@gtech.com                           | Free will is largely overrated. 
 GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | 
 The opinions expressed are mine alone   |           - Topher
From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Recommend edition of the Summa?
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:36:47 GMT
Organization: none

In article <Nov.18.01.27.43.1992.24549@athos.rutgers.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

   I now need suggestions of what edition of the Summa to buy (if I
   can afford it).  My classical Latin doesn't help me much with
   mediaeval philosophical Latin.  (This often makes even reading
   Gilson a problem.)  I need an edition of the Summa with original
   Latin text, *good* English (but see below) translation, and
   *plenty* of notes on language & terminology.

   I have a hunch there isn't any such animal in print in English
   (hope I'm wrong); however I can also use a French, German or
   Spanish edition.

You're probably going to have to contact a subject matter expert to
determine what it is that you're looking for.  It is also likely that
better materials are available in foreign languages than in English.

The classic English translation is the one done by the English
Dominicans, available from Christian Classics.  They have a paperback
edition also, if you need to keep costs down.  You should be able to
find a used copy, since it has been around a while.

Once you find out what exactly you need, your best bet is probably
trying to get a used edition from Loome Theological Booksellers in
Stillwater, Minnesota.

There are a number of small used Catholic booksellers around, but they
can be difficult to find out about...
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Power
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:34:07 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln

I wish I could post all of Cal Thomas' editorial that ran in our paper
yesterday - he often makes me grind my teeth but this time 'round he
was right on the money when he said that Jerry Fallwell should NOT
resurrect the Moral Majority, that we cannot instill morality through
a power base.  He urged Christians to live out their values and attract
people to them by their inherent goodness; and instead of being known
for all the stuff we're AGAINST - abortion, etc. etc. - we should let
people know what we're FOR - by providing loving service to our fellow
man, by taking care of people with crisis pregnancies, etc.   I think
he's 100% on target there.

--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .
From: moy@acf3.nyu.edu (Gloria J. Moy,N.DORM C3,(212)9983456,)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: suicide - thanks for the response
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:37:14 GMT
Organization: New York University


	I want to thank all the people who gave input regarding the
question of suicide. 

thanks.



to Leo - I tried to write back to you, but it bounced back to me.
yes I am the one who wrote about OR9 and got a tongue lashing.
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: "The Powers That Be"
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:06:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington

Last Sunday, I caught about 20 minutes of an hour long shortwave
broadcast by a Pastor named Paul Barkocy. It aired over WWCR out 
of Nashville, Tennessee (USA) from 2000-2100 CST, as a one hour 
segment of a 1.5 hour tape. (In fact the show cut-off with the
Pastor speaking in mid-sentence.)

The next tape should be on at the same time tomorrow on 7.435 MHz AM.

You might want to listen if you can. What little I heard last week
certainly got my attention.

   | 
-- J --                     Luke 8:10  "And he said,
   |     Stephen D. Tice      Unto you it is given to know the mysteries
   |     Arlington Texas      of the kingdom of God: but to others in 
                              parables; that seeing they might not see,
                              and hearing they might not understand."