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From: thaya@solan.unit.no (Thayanantha Balasundaram)
Subject: silampu-kaNNakai
Followup-To: m 
Keywords: appaLam
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:48:16 GMT

we have a kaNNakai amman kOvil where at the  last festival shingala elvis like
thanks virus creator HLPI have poisoned sheld and killed more than twenty pilgrims
in vaRRaappaLai a holy place in Tamil Eelam now is under control by plot.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan)
Subject: Countries (was Re: reply to mohan)
Followup-To: alt.politics.correct
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:50:44 GMT

In article <95965@bu.edu> hari@bass.bu.edu (hariharane ramasamy) writes:
[...]
>I meant that rebelling against the govenment on the basis of
>ethnic differences, for a separate country. if you have a genuine
>reason to fight for fight but it should not be a basis for
>asking a separate country. 
>
>hari
[...]

Why?  What is so sacred about a "country"?  Several of the "countries"
in Africa and Asia have boundaries that were drawn by bureaucrats
during the time of colonial domination.  It seems unrealistic
to expect the western notions of patriotism to countries formed
in such an arbitrary manner.

Countries are not permanent entities.  Look at Eastern Europe.
Countries do not have some higer sanctity.  They are entities
invented by humans.  Such human invented notions will have to
change with time, if necessary.

Follow ups to alt.politics.correct.  Sheesh!

- Asokan
From: siva@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: 09/03 0745  TOTAL OF 24 PEOPLE KILLED, 67 INJURED IN SRI ...
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:29:26 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Sep8.125341.11989@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
> -Message-Text-Follows-
> 
> In article <Bu6K7H.MEF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, nish@cv1.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes...
>>COLOMBO (SEPT. 3) XINHUA - A total of 24 people were  killed  and
>>   The bomb attack against a civilian target was the second  dur-
>>ing the past week by the LTTE, which is fighting in the north and
>>east of the island country  for  the  establishment  of  separate
>>state of minority Tamils.
>>   The LTTE blasted a private bus at a bus stand in  Trincomalee,
>>capital of the eastern province, killing 8 civilians and wounding
>>another 26.

RTw  09/04 0327  SRI LANKAN REBELS DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR BOMBS

    COLOMBO, Sept 4, Reuter - Sri Lanka's Tamil Tiger  guerrillas
on Friday denied responsibility for two bombings in eastern towns
that killed 32 civilians this week.
    "We deny any responsibility whatsover," the Tigers said in  a
statement  from their London office, charging that the government
was behind the attacks.
    The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, fighting for a separate
homeland  in the north and the east, condemned "the cowardly acts
of violence against innocent non-combatants."
    Last Monday, 10  passenger  were  killed  and  more  than  20
injured when a bomb ripped apart their bus in the eastern port of
Trincomalee. The victims were Sinhalese and Moslems.
    The following day, 22 Moslems died and 67 were wounded when a
bomb  exploded  in  the busy market square of Sainthamarathu vil-
lage.
    The military has blamed the Tigers for the attacks.
 REUTER FS NM JS


>> 
>> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Net wars
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:23:19 GMT

	I am very sorry and ashamed to see the amount of invective and
	hatred in this group -  on the issue of reservation, brahmin
	bashing etc. and on the issue of Sri Lankan Tamils, LTTE, IPKF etc.

	Yes these are life or death issues. And yes there are a lot
	of passionate feelings and strong opinions. But this degree of
	mindless personal attacks, and tirades against organizations and
	institutions which you disagree with in part or in totality,
	lead nowhere.

	There are people on this net with irrevocable opinions about what
	they perceive to be the right side of the argument. And there are
	those who indulge in making certain extreme statements, though
	their actual views are more moderate, just so that their point(s)
	may come across more powerfully.

	Come on, folks, we can surely be more mature than that. A few more
	practical suggestions, and a few less venomous statements will
	vastly improve the quality of the articles on the net. If u must
	flame severely do so by email. And please refrain from continuing
	a thread when the material has degenerated from the issue to
	personal tirades. About three weeks back s.c.t was exceeding
	s.c.i in junk volume. And that is no mean achievement.

	This is a request to all in general. I have no wish to be branded 
	a self-aggrandizing, moral net cop, but if that is what is required
	to reduce the garbage on the net, go ahead call me whatever u want.

	Gopu
	rgopu@cs.tamu.edu
--
rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
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From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Vedas are NOT shit ( was  Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 10 Sep 1992 11:42:30 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu
Summary: Correct translation is important, if the book is worth reading.

In article <BuBDo5.G90@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:

[Lots of stuff deleted, to save bandwidth. I agree with those, but not the 
last conclusion.]

>If there are two contradicting interpretations to the same verse,
>one could agree and follow the idea expressed in one interpretation,
>and not follow the idea expressed by the other interpretation.
>About, which interpretation is the correct translation one need not
>bother.

If that is the case, why bother with the text at all? [In traditional Hinduism
the answer is, belief in the primacy of the Vedas is the litmus test for
orthodoxy. Should we use that litmus test today also? My answer is no.]

If one is interested in the Vedas for historical reasons or as the ancient
literature of India, the correct translation (= what the poet meant to say)
is essential. 
-- 
Vidhyanth Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Hypocracy.....in..
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:53:28 GMT



>> 
>>These Tamils, admitting that the Vedas contain some faults, still defend it.
>>Why? Because, when the Vedas are taken in its entirety it still has its
>>role in the Hindu society my its apparent merit.  

The Tamizh culture and history has nothing to do with
the vedas, sacrifices, dakshanai's and yagas. Brahmanism has
eroded the whole Indian society and they call that it
is Hinduism. There are so many local beliefs, forms of worship
in India. 90% of which have nothing to do with vedaas..

>If majority of people are behind it and if northern sri-lanka is a land of milk
>and honey under LTTE rule why do we see so many asylum seekers in Canada and
>Eurpoe?
 Why are you here if you have the good vEdas in in the himaalayas?
>>Because, it is about dignity, pride and our birth right to live our
>>land. Some of you washed in the Tamil Nadu politics will never
>>understand the value of these things..as seen by Tamils across the sea. 

  Some of the Indians   are not washed in the secular ideals of Gandhi, periyaar
and paarathi. They believe the whole country has only vedaas for
everything.
>Yes, I agree with you. TN politics stinks. I have respect for SL-tamilians
>regarding this. 
>	1. Sl-tamils are in general better educated than their cousins in TN
>	2. No cinema fanatic in sl-tamils


>> If the arguments for defending the value of Vedas have any merit at
>>all,  LTTE should be judged in the same light. It should be taken in its

>Did vedas kill any inncocent people? Did vedas know of AK-47? If you can
>provide any proof (may be sundara pandian or meenan may comeup with some
>'english' translation!)
>Did vedas encourage killing fellow human beings?
 
  vEdaas and Brahmanism created caste system, weakened the whole Indian society by
dividing it and have killed scores of lives already.

>>entirety for its positive results.  Prabakaran, already a legend among
>>us,  will go down in history with other historic names of the Tamil
>>kings, from both sides of Palk Straits.  

>Ya, you can see Aurangazeeb in our history books.
    How many temples pirabaakaran has destroyed. Your rajeev's troops
on the otherhand have destroyed temples and wrecked havoc in srilanka.
>>Suresh
>>'purRatchi manNan'
>> 

>Too many puratchis walking around....
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kerala, eezham and Tamils, Was: Kerala -Excerpted Notes--Icarus.
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eeysgq00VooAQ5l1g
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I didn't know that temples in Tamil Naadu are run by the 
government. Who was the smart guy that made the decision?

I cannot imagine what would have happened to temples in Eelam had they
been under some ministry.  Luckily they run by temple committees which
represent the families who finance most of the upkeep and the
thiruvilLas.
/I hope I'm right in this one.

Suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha24.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Vedas are NOT shit ( was  Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 01:39:05 GMT

In article <Bu4n9w.BB3@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep04.213607.126603@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep4.180533.11661@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> In article <42433@ogicse.ogi.edu>, partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes...

|> >|> >Meenan Vishnu writes:
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >|> > 
|> >|> >> but, hope that you don't treat this as a flame.
|> >|> >>There is a saying in coimbatore area.
|> >|> >>"saathathilE pee irukku, iruthaapale oothunu sonnana
|> >|> > 

|> First of all please learn to read news articles! (HINT: Count the
|> number of '>' characters).  AS I HAD WRITTEN 

Well, I counted the number of '>' and'|>' characters VERY carefully, as you can
see from the above, please take your OWN hint and count the characters yourself
You will see it is indented under your name, attributing it to you. If however,
someone has tampered with the indentation, or made it look like it came from
you, I apologize for wrongly attributing it to you. 

|> So please do not act like a scatter-brain and start babbling.

It is interesting how amateur psychoanalysts spring up from everywhere.
Please make sure that you practise what you preach before giving your MOST
unnecessary advice. 


|> 
|> >and if one has nothing decent to say, SHUT UP.  
|> 
|> You have to say that to Wendy O'Flaherty, one of the contmporary
|> Vedic scholar because I took my excerpts directly from her 
|> book. (Rig Veda)
|> 
|> >Nath.
|> 
|> Meenan Vishnu

Hmm.. reminds me of another "Vedic scholar" called David Frawley, who has proved
that Aryans originated in India. Or Mr. P.N. Oak, who has proved that the 
Taj Mahal was a Hindu temple originally. I am sure that there must be a lot
of other such "Vedic scholars" out there waiting to share their gems of wisdom
with us.:-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: parallels - TN reservation and Sri Lankan Situation
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:14:19 GMT

In article <lapj2pINNo7b@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu> raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan) writes:
>In article <kat.715961456@reg> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>
>>
>>     Raman threatens and appeals for arms for Brahmins.
>
>> He (brahmin) will say "poonool"
>> He will bug you for money
>> He isa  greedy chap
>> He will sweat in front of the white man.
>>
>>Kathiravan
>>
>

No. Kathiravan did not say this. He only claimed that Bharathiyar had
said so.

The words quoted here  are not Karhiravan's.
If I remember Kathiravan's response correctly, he was
quoting Bharathiyar in his repsonse.
I think this repsonse should not have been edited to exclude
references to Bharathiyar. If the deleting was unintentional, that is ok;
If not, it amounts to deliberate distortion of the response.


I have no comments about who is right or wrong on this issue.
I do not want to get involved in this battle.
However, I felt it was necessary to point out that Kathiravan's
response was edited badly, and contents were taken out of context,
and presented in an unflattering way.

Bye.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Tamil, Sanskrit, and North Indian Languages
Keywords: Tamil, Sanskrit, and North Indian Languages, Linguistic connection.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:25:38 GMT


This is in the series of articles I am posting on the connection of
Tamil, Sanskrit and North indian languages in the hope that there
will be more understanding . I am thankful to the many people who have
communicated by e-mail. 

The North Indian words I may refer below are from the compilation by
Sir Ralph Turner: Ref

R.L.Turner, " A Comparative Dictionary of the Indo_Aryan Languages"
              Oxford University Press.,New York,  1966

R.L.Turner's entry No.3835 

Sanskrit : khala = 'mischievous person'  
Prakrit: khala ='wicked'    Pali: ------------ 

Assamese: khal ='talebearer'          Kashmiri: -------
Begali  : khal ='mischievous'         Punjabi :-------
Oriya   : khaLa ='decietful'          Sindhi : kharu ='mischievous person'
Sinhalese:kala ='fraud'               W.Pahri : ---------

Marathi : khaL ='rough'               Hindi   : khal ='mean, artful' 
Gujarathi:khaL ='rough'               Mythili : ------------
                                      Bhojpuri: --------------
Nepali  : khal ='base, artful'        Bihari  : --------------

R.L.Turner's acknowledgement of root: says doubtful.

My comments: This word is same as the Tamil "kaLLan" = thief
                                             kaLvan  =thief
                                             kaLavu  =theft 
There are numerous semantic ramifications of "kaL-" formation
in Tamil.  In my opinion, the Indian words are the same as the Tamil word.
Again see the wide distribution. Since Sindhi has an entry, I believe
that other wetern tongues also will probably have. Although Oriya
Bengali and Assamese have words, I don't know why there are no
entries for Bihari and Bhojpuri. If any native speakers are aware of the
usage please let me know. Also worthy of note is the Marathi, Gujarathi
and Oriya have the same 'La' as Tamil.

anbudan (= with regards)
Selva Selvakumar                         (selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca)
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Hypocracy.....in..
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:42:42 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <kat.716046808@sybok>, kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes...
> 
> 
>>> 
>>>These Tamils, admitting that the Vedas contain some faults, still defend it.
>>>Why? Because, when the Vedas are taken in its entirety it still has its
>>>role in the Hindu society my its apparent merit.  
> 
>The Tamizh culture and history has nothing to do with
>the vedas, sacrifices, dakshanai's and yagas. Brahmanism has
>eroded the whole Indian society and they call that it
>is Hinduism. There are so many local beliefs, forms of worship
>in India. 90% of which have nothing to do with vedaas..
> 
>>If majority of people are behind it and if northern sri-lanka is a land of milk
>>and honey under LTTE rule why do we see so many asylum seekers in Canada and
>>Eurpoe?
> Why are you here if you have the good vEdas in in the himaalayas?

Boy why are you here? If you have so much 'ina-vunarvu' why don't you go to
sri-lanka and fight along with your hero pirabakaran?

Second did you read my
entire posting? I do not care about vedas?. For todays environment vedas may be
irrelevant. But what I do not like is bashing a particular community because of
vedas.


>>>Because, it is about dignity, pride and our birth right to live our
>>>land. Some of you washed in the Tamil Nadu politics will never
>>>understand the value of these things..as seen by Tamils across the sea. 
> 
>  Some of the Indians   are not washed in the secular ideals of Gandhi, periyaar
>and paarathi. They believe the whole country has only vedaas for
>everything.
>>Yes, I agree with you. TN politics stinks. I have respect for SL-tamilians
>>regarding this. 
>>	1. Sl-tamils are in general better educated than their cousins in TN
>>	2. No cinema fanatic in sl-tamils
> 
> 
>>> If the arguments for defending the value of Vedas have any merit at
>>>all,  LTTE should be judged in the same light. It should be taken in its
> 
>>Did vedas kill any inncocent people? Did vedas know of AK-47? If you can
>>provide any proof (may be sundara pandian or meenan may comeup with some
>>'english' translation!)
>>Did vedas encourage killing fellow human beings?
> 
>  vEdaas and Brahmanism created caste system, weakened the whole Indian society by
>dividing it and have killed scores of lives already.

Can you give any proof of killing of inncocent people because of vedas?

> 
>>>entirety for its positive results.  Prabakaran, already a legend among
>>>us,  will go down in history with other historic names of the Tamil
>>>kings, from both sides of Palk Straits.  
> 
>>Ya, you can see Aurangazeeb in our history books.
>    How many temples pirabaakaran has destroyed. Your rajeev's troops

Your rajiv? Ya you can expand the list my rajiv, my amirthalingam, my fellow
tamilians who oppose ltte, my fellow tamil speaking muslim brothers and sisters

>on the otherhand have destroyed temples and wrecked havoc in srilanka.

>>>Suresh
>>>'purRatchi manNan'
>>> 
> 
>>Too many puratchis walking around....
From: raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: more parallels: anti-vedic postings and missionaries
Date: 7 Sep 1992 23:30:08 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: bathtub.cs.utexas.edu

The discussions between anti-vedic and pro-vedic posters have
gone off on several tangents.  Kathiravan, Meenan Vishnu, and 
Pandian believe they are doing a service to all Tamils and Hindus 
by posting their translations of Hindu scripture.  I believe they
are hitting below the belt, and request them and any others to
stop such postings.  They are forcing emotional responses which
only lead to hate-wars, and the wastage of time.

Let me point out a similarity between Christian Missionaries and
their posts:

Christian Missionaries also learn Tamil and the Hindu scriptures.
Their intent is to find something to make fun of in the scriptures, 
and to make such great fun of it that the careless listener will
give up *all* the scriptures and adopt their faith.  

People like Mr. Vishnu may be appear to be learned in the Vedas,
but they are not truly learned:  Their research is skewed to find
only negative things to make fun of.  The study is biased to find
facts to support a pre-formed opinion - in this case, that the
Vedas or Bhagavad-Gita are bad (in their words, *s..t*).

I fully accepted that any large work may contain flaws.  Those
flaws are black marks on the overall quality, but hardly a sole
criterion for throwing away the entire work.  

In any event, Kathiravan, Pandian, and Meenan, all you guys appear
to be practicising Hindus.  Why do you want to write material in
a public forum that Rev. Falwell would only be too happy to use
in converting your neighbor from worshipping Murugan to wanting
to see the religion destroyed instead?

Let's stop these one-sided translations at least for that reason,
if nothing else, okay?

- raman rajagopalan



Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: aravu and Tamil
Keywords: Telugu and Tamil
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:25:27 GMT

  Selva brought out the next meaning of aravam.
I quote here a very classical poetry, kuRunthokai that uses
aravu-pampu-snake. Also if somebody know Tamizh, he can read
and appreciate the sound. This sounds great. I have split
all the sandhi's for clarity. When this
poetry (2n dcent BC) was written, telugu did not exist as a written communicable
language.
People who know that will not come with "key board stories".
The sound of "L" is used umpteen number of times in the four
lines. This poetry is written in kuRinji (mountain-denoting
union) setting. 
  Also, see the metaphor in the poetry. This poem is told
by a lover (man) to his friend (paangkan, thOzhan).

  What bother's you my friend? Question

Answer:

   "siRuveL aravin avvarik kuruLai
    kaana yaanai aNangki aangku
    iLayaL, muLai-vaaL-eyiRRaL,
    vaLaiyudaik kaiyaL, yem aNangki yOLE!"

    siRuveL-small white
    aravin-snake's
    avvarik kuruLai-sriped young body
    aNangu-as a verb is to trouble, as a noun is a respected woman
or Goddess. here the verb form is used in the 2 nd and 4 th line.
   aangku-like, used here for explicit comparison,
   iLaiyaL-young girl
   muLai-sprout
   vaaL-used to denote the brightness or the shine in this context,
   eyiRu-pal=teeth
  vaLai-bangle. 
   
 Translation: AK Ramanujan:

 As a little white snake with its lovely-striped
body troubles the jungle elephant this
slip of a girl 
her teeth like sprouts of new rice
her writs stacked with bangles
troubles me.

metaphor-sweetheart is the little snake.
mighty elephant-our man
what bothers him really is her body with stripes . Those days
women used to adore their breats with stripes.
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