HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mliu@pt.com (Fred Liu)
Subject: Re: Info on small private business in China
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:11:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.170956@IASTATE.EDU> kai@IASTATE.EDU (Kai Sun) writes:
>Hi folks:
>  I am tentitively forming a idea of running a small(very small) 
>business in China. Specially, my idea is that I invest the money, and my
>brothers in my hometown area act as business managers. And then we hire
>one or two people as workers.

A growing number of people are more and more considering such kind
of bussiness opportunities.  Basically the ways of doing bussiness
are investing some money in China, like the one you are thinking,
or selling products made in US or China to the other country.

I don't know how many people have actually done that or are doing
that.  But for me, the major concern is the perspective of making
money.  No matter what kind of bussiness you want to do, the major
purpose is to get an investment with yield higher than average
mutual fund or investing in stocks.  When you can see that the
opportunity of investing money in China is better than investing
here in US, why don't go for it?

If you have several thousand dollars or more like $20,000, your
investment will not be able to endure the investment risk in China.
I would rather invest that money in US stocks, mutual funds, or even
bank CDs.  Though you will not make much money, you will not lose
the money in one day.  In China, that possibility exists.

Small amount of money should not be invested overseas (outside US).
You can start a small bussiness here and do some kind of bussiness
with China.  If you have more money, you can watch for the moves
of those big investors, like big Japanese or American companies.
They are not moving quickly at this time, which can tell you
something.

If what you want is not immediate profit, or not for profit at all,
or just for helping your relatives to make RMB, this will be a
different kind of story.
-- 
__
Fred Liu, Performance Technologies Incorporated	mliu@pt.com
315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620            uupsi!ptsys1!mliu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:26:08 GMT

In <3881@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:

>In article <wangf.703124247@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang) writes:
>>
>>Thanks a lot!  Now, the fool has more q's.  I thought Yin1 li4 is 
>>lunar canlender (actually, a net pointed two weeks ago the yin li---
>>Chinese calender is neither lunar nor solar calender) and yang2 li4 is
>>solar calender.  Now, forget the terms lunar or solar, the yin1 li4 and
>>yang2 li4 really confuse me.  I don't understand why Jan. 1 in yin li 
>>varies a lot in yang li but qin ming counted from yin li does no change
>>in yang li unless in leap year. 


>	Well, it all depends on which system you use.  Say if we
>had kept using the Yin Li in our daily life and adopting the Yang Li only
>as a reference when needed, you would have complained about the ever
>changing dates of Yang Li's New Year's day and Qing Ming, but satisfied to
>celebrate the Yin Li's New Year's day (Spring Festivel) on the very same
>day in calendar every year, right?  :-)

>	The point is that the Yang Li and Jie Qi varies according to the
>Sun while the Yin Li goes with the Moon.  Thus one has to change if it is
>to be fitted into the other system.

>	Talking about relative motion in daily life...  :-)

So Jie Qi sounds decided by Yang Li.  Many peasants in China do not
know Yang Li but they know Jie Qi very clearly.  Every year, they
do the farm work according the Jie Qi.  If Jie Qi varies year by 
year in Yin Li, how did they count them?  Can you tell me how to
count Jie Qi?

Thanks

Frank
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 10:12:30 -0500

In article <1992Apr11.030217.3093@athena.mit.edu> zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:
>
>Son-in-law of Li Peng is not a crime.  Why you forgive him? 

He is forgivable for defending Li Peng, if he is Li Peng's son-in-law.
In this country, if a close relative hide a criminal, he is not guilty.
China is different. That why how a TAM student leader was
sold to the government by his sister.

By the way, does anyone know if that student leader has forgiven his
sister? I heard he has been released from prison.

What is his name? I forget his name.

Xiao Li
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese Student Association
Keywords: CSA
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:53:43 GMT
Reply-To: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division

My sister is going to study in the New Mexico State University.
Please someone there tell me the contact, address and telephone number 
of the Chinese Student Association in that school.

Best Regards, TY


/* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 * The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.
 *
 * Take care and have a nice day.
 *
 * Ter-Yuan Lee
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 */
From: srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse (honey version)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:14:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <29EB4A24.27928@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:
>1.  CCP made the bloodshed does NOT necessarily mean you can legally or
>    ethically sell or resell the blood;
>
>2.  If you (6.4 blood beneficaries) really want to stay in the US, instead
>    of execusing yourself as "I don't want to go home, becasue those CCP 
>    guys will bet me", i strongly recommend you to use this as the execuse:
>
>	"America is everyone's America.  This continent does not just belongs 
>	 to Europeans or Jewish or AFricans.  We Chinese should have a piece 
>	 of DiPan(land) in this country, too."  or
>
>	"The US immigration law applied to Chinese is NOT fair"  or
>
>	"My immigration to the US might be a population relief to China".
>
>    This way, you won't have a political hole.
>
>To me, your stay-in-US or not, does not make any difference, because I don't
>think China will be running into bankruptacy without your appearance.  The
>issue is: do NOT abuse the 6.4 blood!
           ==========================
>
>shannon
>-------

           !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Shuren Zhang
============
From: ghe@physics.orst.edu (Guangliang He)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Train from Shanghai to Nanjing
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:05:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Apr15.200508.21563
Reply-To: ghe@physics.orst.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Oregon State University

In article <1992Apr15.191751.12006@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe ) writes:
|> jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu writes:
|>  
|> >3.  Is the route generally crowded (how long might I have to sleep in the 
|> >train station)?
|> 
|>      Very very very crowded!  If I were you, I would take the bus or cab. It
|>      only takes 2 to 3 hours.
|> 
It is almost 200 milds between Nanjing and Shanghai. There is no way you
can get from one to the other by bus or cab or train.

-- 
Guangliang He
ghe@physics.orst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: b672zbg@utarlg.uta.edu ( SINGHAL)
Subject: Re: News SCC is for news, not a battlefield!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.175101.15609@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes...
>In article <9204151655.AA07054@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, PXW10@PSUVM.PSU.EDU writes:
><
><You
><never know if your argument is stupid.
> 
>On the contrary, I always know that my arguments are not stupid.
> 
   THAT MEANS YOU ARE STUPID AND UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND ANSWER THEM
PROPERLY.

==SINGHAL==
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:57:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.191537.7396@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.200447.18102@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.173206.8674@u.washington.edu>, liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao) writes:
>>What matters here is $$$$$$$, not freedom.  There's not necessarily anything
>>wrong with that, but there is something wrong with lying about it.
>
>
>Absolutely right!!  Money talks, that's the Amerikan spirit! 
>

If more than 5% of our chinese students here said  " we don't want to go back
to China mainly for political reason " ,  I would say they were very humorous .
  
US $1 = China RMB5.8 , more than a day's expanses for a person in China .

If China is rich enough to provide the same amount of money as here , for us , 
do we have the pressure to come here ?

We come here not for democracy , but for money ( or opportuinties , whatever
comes to mind).

US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ US $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jwli@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Jian Wen Li)
Subject: Travel-mate from Shanghai to Detroit on 5/15
Summary: Travel companions are wanted for Northwest Flight from Shanghai
Keywords: Travel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:40:02 GMT

I need to get in touch with those whose relatives or friends travelling on 
Northwest Flight from Shanghai to Detroit on May 15, 1992. My mother is coming
on that flight and since she does not understand English, someone who does 
would make her easy. I really appreciate it if you send me an mail at 
      jwli@engin.umich.edu
	or:
	jwli@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Childish Scott (was Re: Taiwan, ROC etc.)
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:51:30 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Apr10.071214.22974@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:

[to Scott]

<	You naughty kid, if you still don't obey the rule, your uncle Paul
<	will have to ask your Li-peng dad to use tank to smash your head.
<	Now follow me and repeat; "The government of Taiwan is Republic
<	of China" 100 times.


In article <9204110609.AA29653@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> xu@CS.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hao Xu) writes:

<Scott wrote:
<
<>The government of Taiwan Province is the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
<[99 Lines deleted]
<>				--Scott
<
<Grow up, Scott. It seems you believe that a lie repeated 100 times is
<the truth. Didn't your primary school teach tell you a lie is a lie no
<matter how hard you try?

So repeating something 100 times is a stupid idea?  That's a useful
thing to know.  Now the question is who should get credit for the idea.
It doesn't look as though it was Scott.

-- 
---- --- -- -  Long Live the Rose and the Heather!  - -- --- ----
Ivan A Derzhanski   (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk;  iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Xue4 ran2 de lyu4 ka3 (Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:45:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.143046.27598@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat6.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
<In article <1992Apr14.042801.21350@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
[About the "peaceful" demonstrators:]
<>Come on, they most certainly did provoke a violent response.  Some of them
<>had beaten up (and even killed) policemen, waving their bloody uniforms
<>before crowds--all before June 4.  No government would put up with that.
<
<	This is new information to me.

I'm not surprised.  The Western media actively covered it up.  Even so, a
few reports did get into _The New York Times_ and similar publications.

<       If the Protesters really had
<	"beaten up (and even killed) policemen" _before_ the crackdown,
<	it would entirely change my perspective.     If you can provide 
<	a reasonable source for this information, I will have no choice
<	but to agree with you completely (god forbid  ;>).

Well, then, I'll give this matter high priority!  I don't have a source
to hand but will try to dig one up in the next couple of days, time
permitting.

					--Scott

-- 
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horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:45:03 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr10.165651.4010@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
>You became friends?  I'll have to ask Canhao about that.

Well, sort of.

>
>Where do you people get this rubbish?!  A little knowledge and some
>arithmetic will reveal that Li Peng could not possibly be Jiang Qing's son.
>Ah, but don't let me get in the way of your rumour-mongering.  Wouldn't
>want to interfere with bullshit in the works.

Don't ask me. It was not spread by me.

>I can--but won't.

Of course you can. But He might not have told you everything either.
He is not allowed to tell everything to a foreigner like you. Don't
be over-confident. 

>					--Scott

Li Canhao had at least some disatisfaction or resentment to
his (former) father-in-law, Li Peng. He participated Washington
demonstration against Li Peng and later he had several articles
showed resentment to Li Peng over 6/4 Massacre. I think he
deserves some credit. What a son-in-law can do in such a
situation? If he is really Li Peng's ex son-in-law, I want to
apologize to him. We are all humanbeings.

Xiao Li
From: Eric_Leo@MTS.RPI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chun Xiao
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:55:44 GMT

Chun mian bu jue xiao                          Chu chu wen ti niao
Ye lai feng yu sheng                           Hua luo zhi duo shao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:18:47 -0500


I had a talk with one reader of SCC the other day. He
told me the story about a man whom I was familiar a
few years ago.

He told me that there was a man in SCC who was indeed
related to Li Peng. His name is Li Zhanhao. He was seen
with Li Peng's daughter Li Lin and is believed to be Li 
Peng's son-in-law. He is believed to have either separated or
divorced with Li Peng's daughter recently.

His story reminded me Li Canhao who was in Yale three
years ago. Li Canhao and I had many clashes in SCC. One
day I received an anonymous email saying Li Canhao was
the son of a PLA general and his real name was Li Zhanhao.
I posted that email in the SCC and was heavily criticized 
for revealing the SCCer's identity.

5/20, 1989, the day Li Peng declared Martial Law in Beijing,
many Chinese students drove to Washington for the protest.
About 10,000 people showed up. I was there too. I was
called by a friend of mine. A man on the road side came to
me and greeted me: "You are Li Xiaolin". I asked who was
him and he said he was Li Canhao. We then became friends
had a nice chat.

After we came back from Washington, we saw a rumor in SCC
saying that Li Peng was Jiang Qing's son. Some people
tried to find evidence for it. I posted a follow-up and
saying the story was very interesting. I then received an
email from Li Canhao. Li Canhao told me that the rumor
could not be true, because when Li Peng's mother died, he
was there.

I then realized that Li Canhao was a person who must have
something to do with Li Peng. I posted his email in the SCC.
That email generated another big splash. I had been a permanant
enemy of Li Canhao since then.

Li Canhao disappeared from SCC later on. Some people say that
he is still watching. He is in Columbus Ohio. Can any one
in SCC solve this mystery.

Xiao Li
From: phe@farallon.com (Ping He)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: apply for green card
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:59:39 GMT
Organization: Farallon Computing, Inc.

My wife and I are in the process to get green cards. Our lawyer told us that our American-born son didn't need to do anything. Does anyone here have gone through the same procedure with the same situation?

Any help is appreciated.

Ping
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kai@IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Info on small private business in China
Reply-To: kai@IASTATE.EDU (Kai Sun)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:09:56 GMT

Hi folks:
  I am tentitively forming a idea of running a small(very small) 
business in China. Specially, my idea is that I invest the money, and my
brothers in my hometown area act as business managers. And then we hire
one or two people as workers.
  I will appriciate your remarks on the following matters. This could help me 
make up or reshape my final decision.  I hope this is not a misuse of the net. 
It is a topic well worth discussion.
	Issues:
	  Is this just fissible?
	  government rules on renting a house or site;
	  government rules on tax;
	  government attitude toward me (J-1 to F1, no political backdoor
	    relations)
	  U.S. government rules on F-1 students investing in my homeland;
	  U.S. government rules on teh investment tax;
	  where do I go to get permission, what is the processure;
	  Issues you think important but not mentioned above.
 
  By the way, I understand that government rules vary from place to
place, for good or bad.  To help your analysis, I am from RongCheng, ShanDong.
The town I am interested to invest has population about 10,000 people.

Thanks though I will share money to you directly.

Kai Sun
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: It Is Time To Defend Li Peng, China's Hardworking Premire.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:45:57 GMT

>Li, Peng has been known for a long history of stupidity and 
>supress of inteligent.  June 4th is only a turning point for 
>the whole world to realize him.
>
>Another thing, I never read any post from you condamn Li, 
>Peng.  It has always been the opposite.

First , I would say I don't know these leaders personaly . What I
can look into is mainly their policy and the present social state of
China . 

I don't think one single person could make the decision of sending 
troop into the capital . We will know the truth definitely sometime 
in the near future .








An irrelavent point : One of my teacher told me ( At the time when
many students said Li was a "0000000000...0000000000000-king"),
Li Peng was a very good student in Soviet Union , just like many of
you . ( Her sources : some of the previou students went there with
Li . )  ------------- Note : Not a Fool day story .
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:12634 soc.culture.taiwan:7278
From: yding@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To an Ar1 Q out there
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:23:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: unix.204721
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr10.164805.3595@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
>By the way, I'd suggest that everyone move all the anti-Scott talk over to
>some other newsgroup--maybe `alt.flame.scott' or something.

Oh no. Scott's postings are good source for me to learn English. By the
way, I think that he obtained many of his knowledge by saying "I know" 
even he didn't. And he did the second time.

-- 
/* Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh PA.  412-624-0134
/* open your window and get something fresh */
From: yang@vsoph8.cern.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:39:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.165651.4010@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes...
>In article <1992Apr10.101851.27723@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
><
><A man on the road side came to
><me and greeted me: "You are Li Xiaolin". I asked who was
><him and he said he was Li Canhao. We then became friends
><had a nice chat.
> 
>You became friends?  I'll have to ask Canhao about that.
> 
  Don't bother, D-Fs hardly say anything real, Xiao li said the above because
  he now know this Li Canhao is possiblly Li Peng's relative, so he just
  want to "Tao4 Jin4 Hu". Be prepared Xiao li will tell you he and LI canhao
  are brothers, 300 years ago.... somrthing like that.

><After we came back from Washington, we saw a rumor in SCC
><saying that Li Peng was Jiang Qing's son. Some people
><tried to find evidence for it. I posted a follow-up and
><saying the story was very interesting.
> 
>Where do you people get this rubbish?!  A little knowledge and some
>arithmetic will reveal that Li Peng could not possibly be Jiang Qing's son.
>Ah, but don't let me get in the way of your rumour-mongering.  Wouldn't
>want to interfere with bullshit in the works.

  D-Fs favourate topic is about who is who's son ('s mothers's brother's 
  sister's ... in law's....uncle's......)
From: jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 2/3 or not in vote for TGP
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:19:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: zygote.CMM.0.90.2.702595188.jamesou

I wrote:

< There were at least two persons in the NPC who were brave enough
< to voice their opposition about the TGP project in public. This
< was shown in a local Chinese TV news here in LA last night: Prior
< to the voting, the Taiwanese delegate "Huang2 Shun4 Xing1", the
< brother of the ex-chairman of the Taiwanese DPP party, Huang2
< Xin4 Jie4, walked out the congress angrily. He signed up for a
< speech four days in advance but was prohibited from giving a
< speech on the TGP project on the stage. He was followed by
< another Taiwanese female delegate and many newsmen/women. While
< walking out the congress, Huang denounced PRC as a country that
< did not respect the law. He then gave his speech outside the
< Hall. Huang had wanted to make the TGP project an important issue
< (Zhong4 Da4 Wen4 Ti2) so that its approval would require the
< approval of a 2/3 majority.

A netter friend has informed me that the brother of Huang Xin4
Jie4 in mainland is Huang Xiaoying. Huang Shunxing is unrelated
to Huang Xinjie. I wish to thank the netter friend for the
correction and apologize to SCCers for my careless mistake. The
rest of the story described above remains un-altered.
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