From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: How Does He Do It??
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:02:10 GMT


ROGER ROGER ROGER! One of your best tricks ever. Creation of alt.wanted.
moslem.gay not only ENRAGES several Moslems, but then they post their
rage into misc.test, for those of us whos sysadmins dont tend to pick up
carasso-created newsgroups. SWEET. This is carasso's magnum opus.

From: aabdalla@pollux.usc.edu (Ahmed Abd-Allah)
Newsgroups: alt.wanted.moslem.men,alt.wanted.moslem.women,misc.test,alt.newbie,alt.wanted.moslem.gay
Subject: Re: CREATION


In article <-6mmqn#.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Rajagopalan Dabholkars Chemmanoor) writes:
>
>
>As per the below requests, the following newsgroups have been created:
>
>	alt.wanted.moslem.women
>	alt.wanted.moslem.men
>	alt.wanted.moslem.gay
>
>---------------------------------
>
>IN SOC.CULTURE.IRANIAN ahmad@frisco.unet.com (Ahmad Esmaeili) wrote:
>)
>)     I have received many positive replies from our brothers in Islam in 
>)     support of starting the "alt.moslem_girls.wanted" newsgroup. Some
>)     sisters suggested the creation of another newsgroup called
>)     "alt.moslem_men.wanted". 
>
>IN SOC.MOTSS gooley@netcom.com (M. Gooley) writes:
>)
>)     As a gay muslim, I would be interested in a corresponding
>)     gay moslem newsgroup.
>)
>
>-- 
>_______________________________________________________________
>Rajagopalan Dabholkars Chemmanoor,
>Dietary Researcher,
>Fiber Team,	     "Be one, be peace, be  like the hajiputki"
>Herbalife Inc.			-Maharji Marhiyogi
>E-mail:  rdc@netcom.com
>_______________________________________________________________

As-Salaamu-Alaikum.  Doubtless your intentions were noble and good BUT
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HAW HAW HAW! CARASSO "NOBLE AND GOOD"?!?!? HAW HAW HAW


I simply cannot understand how you justify creating an oxymoron such as
"alt.wanted.moslem.GAY".  The Qur'an and the Sunnah both make it very
explicitly clear what homosexuality is: a perversion of human nature.
Much as I would like to live in peace with the rest of the world, I am
more interested in living in peace under the approval of God.  And to
put it quite bluntly, if God disapproves of homosexuality, then so should
every Muslim.

I believe most Muslims know the story of Prophet Lot and Sodom and Gommorah.
Here is the ayah from the Qur'an describing what Lot told the homosexuals
of those cities:

        "What!  Of all creatures, do you approach males and leave
        the spouses whom your Lord has created for you?  Indeed, you
        are people transgressing (all limits)"  [26:165-166]

Another ayah gives a stronger condemnation of homosexuality:

        "And remember Lot when he said to his people, 'Will you
        commit abominations such as none in all the world has ever
        done before you?..."  [27:56]

And of course the two cities were eventually annihilated by the express
command of God solely on account of their disobedience on this point.

The jurists of Islam have differed on the punishment of a homosexual caught
in the act: either lashes as per fornication or death as per adultery.

****

I believe that it is your responsibility to yank the "wanted.gay" newsgroup
as soon as possible.

Ahmed A. Abd-Allah                   



Article: 22511 of misc.test

From: rlc1028@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gadson Sandor)
Newsgroups: alt.wanted.moslem.men,alt.wanted.moslem.women,misc.test,alt.newbie,alt.wanted.moslem.gay


In article <l7dr0nINN121@pollux.usc.edu>, aabdalla@pollux.usc.edu (Ahmed Abd-Allah) writes...

>As-Salaamu-Alaikum.  Doubtless your intentions were noble and good BUT
>I simply cannot understand how you justify creating an oxymoron such as
>"alt.wanted.moslem.GAY".  The Qur'an and the Sunnah both make it very
>explicitly clear what homosexuality is: a perversion of human nature.

	What Qu'ran says and means is determined by each Muslim.

	And furthermore, even if it is decided that the Qu'ran
labels homosexuality as a sin, one may still be a Muslim and sin.

	If one may not be a Muslim if one sins, then there are no
Muslims.

	Praise Allah for this group!

Gadson Sandor
through:
rlc1028@tamsun.tamu.edu



Article: 22514 of misc.test
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: alt.wanted.moslem.men,alt.wanted.moslem.women,misc.test,alt.newbie,alt.wanted.moslem.gay
Subject: Re: CREATION


In article <l7dqugINN10n@pollux.usc.edu> aabdalla@pollux.usc.edu (Ahmed Abd-Allah) writes:
>
>As-Salaamu-Alaikum.  Doubtless your intentions were noble and good BUT
>I simply cannot understand how you justify creating an oxymoron such as
>"alt.wanted.moslem.GAY".

Wa aleikum salam wa rahmatullahi ta'ala wa barakatu, ya Ahmed.

Thank you for stating your clearly unambiguous position, which I am almost
positive that the majority of practicing Muslims who subscribe to these
newsgroups, would be in complete agreement with you.

I don't know if the original poster actually believed that such a person
existed.  We know that there are some Arab and Persian men who are homosexual
(even though the percentages are low), but it is definitely an oxymoron to
tie Muslim men and homosexuality together.

I agree.  It is insulting to see such a newsgroup exist.  Maybe the original
poster could subscribe to another newsgroup as applicable and/or suggest 
another name that would be more appropriate.

Anisa

	"For the first time we could say to everyone - this is our
	faith, this is our way of life, this is who we are.  And
	nothing could stop us.  You can't imagine what that was
	like....."  Alfred Molina in Not Without My Daughter




Article: 22580 of misc.test

From: cdawkins@axion.bt.co.uk (Colin Dawkins)
Newsgroups: alt.wanted.moslem.men,alt.wanted.moslem.women,misc.test,alt.newbie,alt.wanted.moslem.gay
Subject: Re: CREATION



As-Salamu-Alaikum Brothers and Sisters.

"Lighten up..."

Interesting.....Words similar to those were probably said to the Jews relating to Usary. 

"Lighten up...."

1 Are you a Muslim ?
2 If you are then remember that you will have to justify your opinions to Allah.
3. If you are not then quite understandably you do not understand why Islam is so against the concept of Homosexuals.

In reference to point 3, Allah created man and woman for each other. In the words of the (translation of the Qur'an)..As a garment for each other. Allah destroyed a whole peoples (re Sodom and Gommorah) because of Sodomy.

Therefore if Allah in his infinite wisdom destroys this town because of Homosexuality, then I will not "lighten up.."

As for being a sinner and a muslim...Of course we are all sinners, but even the worse sinner in the time of the messenger (pbuh) never clamed to be homosexual.

I hope that more knowledgable people than myself will shed more light on this topic in shah Allah. Then we may be able to move on to more constructive matters.

Finally to anyone who thinks that they are a gay muslim "may Allah guide you and improve your condition". May Allah guide us all..


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