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From: cs00jmc@unccvax.uncc.edu (John Covington WN4BBJ)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NC/SC HAMFEST INFO MAILING LIST ANNOUNCEMENT
Date: 24 Jul 1992 13:15:23 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

(I don't think this got through, so I'll try again)

         NC/SC HAMFEST INFO MAILING LIST ANNOUNCEMENT

I have been maintaining an electronic mailing list for the last year and 
a half, and thought that there might be a few people on the net that 
would like to know about it.  I posted an announcement a year ago but
a lot of new people are on the net so I thought I would post another
announcement.

This list describes hamfests in North and South Carolina, and is updated
as needed, usually about once a month.  I have included a few hamfests
outside of the Carolinas that may be of interest.

The list has a calendar of hamfest dates and locations for the
rest of the year; and a few paragraphs about each hamfest that
will take place during the next month.   I try to include 
info about the hamfest location, whether exams are offerred,
ticket pricing, "more info" addresses, and sometimes brief remarks
about the hamfest based on my personal experience.

I developed this list to answer e-mail questions I received from
people ("Are there any hamfests in this area in the near future?"),
especially non-hams who often don't hear about the hamfests otherwise.
However, there are hams who read it as well, since I try to combine 
information from multiple sources into a simple, quickly read message.

I have been posting this information to the triangle.radio newsgroup
for the last 2 months, but I can't guarantee that I will be able to
do that after the end of the year.  I don't post it to rec.radio.amateur.misc
or other national/international groups on a regular basis
since the information is only useful to a small part of the country,
and due to the flamage that might result.

So if you need hamfest information for North and South Carolina
and would like to be put on the e-mail list,  contact me at 
cs00jmc@unccvax.uncc.edu or 3426957@mcimail.com
and I will add you to the list!

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dursi@clavius.stmarys.ca (Jonathan Dursi)
Subject: Re: AARL vs ARRL
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:46:35 GMT

> In article <Bs7H3y.3JE@wpi.WPI.EDU> gkd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory K Doerschler)  
writes:
>In the true spirit of compromise:
>                    AARRL  (American Amateur Radio Relay League)

Heh. And to show how strongly we all feel about the ARRL's
'radiance in character or reputation', we could call it the
American Amateur Radio Relay Lustrous League, so it could be
AARRLL....

Acronymically,
	- Jonathan
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jonathan Dursi               |  "Never attribute to malice 
Programmer, Physics Dept.    |   what can adequately be explained 
dursi@Clavius.StMarys.CA     |   by stupidity."  - Hanlon's Razor
From: mvd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (m.v.de paolis..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Soliciting Comments on Kenwood 520S XCVR
Keywords: Kenwood 520S XCRVR
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:05:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Hi:

I am just getting back on the air after about 20 years.  I have the
opportunity to buy a Kenwood 520S XCVR with mic, speaker and ant tuner
for $600.  The seller is also including a vertical HF6V antenna.   
I would appreciate any comments about this rig and the price he is
asking.  I had been considering an ICOM 725 or 728 XCVR.  How does
the Kenwood compare?

Thanks in advance,

Mike DePaolis K3LKA
mvd%alux2@research.att.com
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Date: 27 Jul 1992 04:44:54 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

I have to admit that the last time I went driving around Atlanta, it
seemed to me that there were a lot of dead cars on the roads.  I just
attributed it to the poverty of the region (no money for state tow
trucks, etc), but whatever the cause, there did seem to be some wide
margins in the center and on the side of the roads.

On the other hand, in the area around here (San Diego), where I used to
make my living doing spot news, there aren't large center dividers nor
wide margins.  There are spots on the freeway where there aren't ANY
shoulders - the freeway's been widened to the point where to do it
further will require removing hills and buildings.  I've sold film of
more than one stalled car that got reared and smeared.

Again, the person at the scene is the one who can judge the danger of the
situation.  Don't try to second-guess him.  If he says it's an emergency,
IT IS.
	- Brian
Xref: sparky rec.radio.amateur.misc:12830 rec.aviation:12541
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation
Subject: Re: navigational beacons
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:34:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

[Note for rec.aviators: This one came up during a discussion of voice versus
Morse code identifiers for navaids, as part of the seemingly neverending Morse
code flamewars on rec.radio.amateur.misc. Please note the crosspost, and
follow up appropriately.] 

Julian Macassey wrote about putting voice on VORs:
>	But think of the opportunities. Advertising. "This is VOR Beacon
>PDZ brought to you by Flamo AvGas. Next time you're on the ground, fill
>up with Flamo".

Diana Syriac talked about problems with listening to several voice things at
once, and wound up with:
>.....Me, I'll take the Morse code ID any day over a voice ID.

Gary Coffman chimed in:
>I think I have a better suggestion. Let the VOR play music. Country
>into Nashville, Blues into Memphis, Jazz into New Orleans, Motown into
>Detroit, etc.  Entertaining and informative. :-)

...to which I feel compelled to add:
OK, so what does the LAX VORTAC play, _Cop Killer_??? :-) :-) :-)

-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by a .sig virus.
"Right now, because of you, this city is being overrun by baboons." "Don't
 you think that's the responsibility of the voters?" -- _Naked Gun 2-1/2_
From: LWRCLMR@strathost.stratcom.af.mil (LWRCLMR)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Assistance with IC-229H Mods
Date: 29 Jul 1992 06:07:15 -0700
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu


       I just became the proud owner of an IC-229H two meter rig.   Fine 
        radio.  I understand there are some mods out on this including AM 
        Aircraft band coverage.  If anyone could E-mail those mods to  me 
        or  where  they  may  be  found, I would be most appreciative.  I 
        don't always get this newsgroup anymore, so  please  E-mail.   In 
        case  my  address  gets  cut  off  again, E-mail to scxc3@tincan-
        sawyer.af.mil.
        Thanks and 73,
        Michael
        WA7SKG
 
        -- 
        ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
        Michael A. Barnes                      Land Mobile Radio and
        scxc3@TINCAN-SAWYER.AF.MIL             Frequency  Management  
        Phone: (906)346-2811                        410 SG/SCX       
               DSN: 472-2811                   240 D AVE Suite 231-A
               FAX: ext-2474                    K.I. Sawyer AFB, MI
                                                    49843-4070        
 
        Gray hair is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous
        life.    Proverbs 16:31
        ... or by surviving having teenagers!  Michael 1992     
        ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
        
 


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: harp@bnr.ca (Alan Harp)
Subject: Re: Gasping Geezer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:47:30 GMT

In article <293@arrl.org> jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman) writes:
>From: ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare KA1CV)
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
>Subject: Re: Demote Extra Class Lids (etc)
>Message-ID: <294@arrl.org>
>Date: 16 Jul 92 08:40:53 EDT
>Organization: American Radio Relay League
> 
>In rec.radio.amateur.misc, <tonyp@cnvxla.COM> (good, Conan - good!) writes:
>>In article <9207160803.aa04146@COR5.PICA.ARMY.MIL> jkeller@pica.army.mil (Jero
>me Keller, PPD) writes:
>>}(RE: "Don't throw me in the Briar Patch...." comment by one of our very
>>}best, Ed Hare....."Does that make him a Gasping Geezer?") 

>Ed Hare writes:
> 
>>Just for the record, I was not the one who originally posted the "briar patch"
>>comment. I may have done a follow-up, but my email gets so busy that
>>I really don't remember. :-). I'm still a bit young to be a true Gasping
>>Geezer, but I am in apprenticeship under Jim Kearman. :-) (He'll get me
>>for that!)
>       
>>    Does that make him "Hare Rabbit"?       (bah-dump)
> 
>>Groan. Keep in mind that I have been hearing "Hare" jokes since I was a 
>>wee lad (the prelude to Gasping Geezerhood). I only laugh at new ones.
> ^^^^^^^

>I understand the first time Ed heard that one, it was Marconi
>who said it. Or, was it Edison?

>****************************************************************

>JIM KEARMAN, KR1S                    Voice: 203-666-1541 ext 279
>ARRL Assistant Technical Editor             FAX:   203-665-7531
>Author of `The DXCC Companion'      ARRL Headquarters
>Editor of `Now You're Talking!,'     225 Main Street
>ARRL License Manuals,               Newington, CT 06111
>ARRL Instructor Guides              e-mail: jkearman@arrl.org

>*****************************************************************

I confess it was me.  That makes me the original Gasping Geezer.
Please don't throw me in the briar patch (as I remember it)
came from Tails of Uncle Remus.  Was a Walt Disney Movie starring
a child star named Bobby Driscoll.  

Brer Fox captured Brer Rabbit.  Brer Rabbit escaped by telling Brer
Fox not to do exactly what he wanted him to do.

I guess that make me a Gasping Geezer and prowd of it!

****************************************************************************
* Alan Harp K4PB     *     Bell-Northern Research      *   CW FOREVER      *
* mail: harp@bnr.ca  *   Research Triangle Park, NC    *                   *
****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gkd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory K Doerschler)
Subject: Re: AARL vs ARRL
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:19:09 GMT

In the true spirit of compromise:

                    AARRL

                        (American Amateur Radio Relay League)

                                     :-)
From: ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Auto patch ... but without the phone ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:43:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> E.G. is it permissible for me to set up an autopatch at home, with which
> I can talk to my (as yet unlicensed) wife at home, so long as I remain
> the (remote ?) control operator. (No phone company involved)  ?
> 
> Are such devices available and legal ?

It's legal to swap a local microphone for the phone line.  As long as
you meet the valid restrictions for remote control (freqs suitable for
auxilliary operation).  I don't know of anybody who makes a canned
product to do it, but the ACC repeater controllers probably have the
smarts to be used in this mode (I'd have to go look at the manual).

> What was the consensus recently on reverse autopatch, where an unlicensed
> person causes a signal (telemetry ?) to be sent to the licensed control op
> who then initiates voice contact. ?

Undetermined.  People tend to lean towards the not legal side, but I
don't know of any of the people who use them getting a pink slip yet.
It's all a matter as to whether you believe that making the "ring"
indication is exerting control over the repeater.

-Ron
From: dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:50:16 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:

>Some people just don't seem to be able to think on their own!

>I have and will continue to use our phone patch to help anyone on
>the roadside.  I don't care if they call the dealership, AAA,
>Joanne's Flower service, or GOD on the damn thing.  They need
>help!  I'm not making any money, and most of all it's excellent
>PR for ham radio.  If some religous type kills the patch, which
>they don't have the codes to anyway.  I'd give them a real
>emergency to call 911 for.

Agreed!  (Especially the last part)

-- 
==========================================================================
Dave Bushong, KZ1O@K1UGM.MA         +    No .sig, no tattoo, 
Wang Laboratories, Inc.             +        no bald spot, no nothin!!
Internet: dbushong@wang.com         +-------------------------------------
Project leader, OCR Products        + (reserved for future expansion)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 2M Glass Mt. Losses?
From: f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:15:29 CST
Reply-To: f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Summary: Are 2M glass mounted antennas very lossy?


I'm interested in installing a glass mounted 2-meter antenna on a
'91 Olds 98.  I was tempted to put a Motorola antenna in the top
but chickened out.  Can anyone tell me how bad the loss is on the
glass mounted types?  A local ham said they're terrible.

Paul Risk, N1DJD, Nacogdoches, TX
f_riskph@ccsvax.sfasu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kwfriber@mtu.edu (Kenberg Frieth)
Subject: Re: Is it "business" if I use and autopatch to...
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:53:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.045001.14493@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <Jul.25.10.39.11.1992.5646@pilot.njin.net> ron@pilot.njin.net (Ron Natalie) writes:
>[attribution not given]
>>> Car ran out of gas because you thought that E means
>>> enough? Car won't start in the parking lot because you left all the radios
>>> turned on while shopping?
>>
>>Parking lots, no.  On the side of the highway, a stopped car for what
>>ever reason (accident, break down, driver stupidity (forgot to get
>>gas)), IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION for both the stranded driver and for
>>other users of the road.
>
>Funny, I pass dozens of cars on the shoulder of the road every day. Some
>of them stay there for weeks, gradually losing parts, until the State
>Highway Department finally hauls the stripped carcass away. I work for
>a news organization that specializes in blood on the highway stories.
>The last time we reported a collision with a parked car was three years
>ago when a sleeping trucker ran off the road and hit a hiding police
>car running a radar trap. That car was waaaaaay back in the bushes, as
>far as if he had been parked in a driveway. Atlanta is a busy traffic
>town, yet collisions with parked cars are very rare. I think you are
>over reacting to a situation that isn't an imminent threat to life.
>A car stalled in the *middle* of a traffic lane now, that's different,
>and requires an immediate call to 911, not some commercial towing
>service.
>
>Gary KE4ZV

That assumes that you have lots of room to get off the road.  Also, walking along a 
freeway is not my idea of safe.  Of course, I have been in the Detroit area for about
3 years now, so I hear eneough about people getting killed in the most creative ways on
the freeway.

Ken n8pbe

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: klimasewski@fccvde.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: tower and beam for sale
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 28 JUL 92 09:21:30    


For sale,

40ft crank up tower, great shape - $125.00

Cushcraft ABT-34 hf beam, good shape - $100.00


                                          Ken  N1KK
                                          508-467-2663 (work)
                                          401-647-9632 (home)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Morris Watch
From: julian@bongo.UUCP (Julian Macassey)
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:32:10 GMT
Organization: The Hole in the Wall  Hollywood California U.S.A.



	The July 18th-24th 1992 edition of the Economist (U.S. Edition)
has a special section on "The Legal Proffesion". The World's second
oldest according to John Mortimer (who dat?).

	On Page 9 of the supplement is an ad from Arthur Andersen. They
are touting their services as expert witneses and and "strategic
consultants". The slant of the article is that they will cut through
the jargon and code. 

	Two thirds of the page is covered with printed Morris. What
does the Morris say? Two words - yes, I know two words in  2/3 of a
page - the words are: Gobbledgook and Nonsense. Are Arthur Andersen
trying to tell us something?


-- 
Julian Macassey, julian@bongo.info.com  N6ARE@K6VE.#SOCAL.CA.USA.NA
742 1/2 North Hayworth Avenue Hollywood CA 90046-7142 voice (213) 653-4495
From: steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Newsline availabe on Usenet?
Summary: if so, can someone start posting it?
Keywords: newsline
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:38:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Steven Watt, Consultant   San Jose, CA, USA

I have heard that Newsline is available electronically from some BBS systems
around the country.  I'm wondering if it could be made available to Usenet
as well.  Since I know _absolutely_nothing_ about how it's distributed to the
various repeaters who play it, nor firsthand experience about electronic
availability, I decided to do what other clueless people do:  Ask the net. :)

If it's not available on the net, would some poor sod be interested in
transcribing it?  (Assuming no copyright issues, of course).

73 de KD6GGD

(Send in your repeater mapping project entries!
E-mail to "repeaters@wattres.sj.ca.us" with the word help in the body for more
info!)
-- 
Steve Watt  KD6GGD     steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US
 ...!apple!wattres!steve  ...!mips!wattres!steve  ...!decwrl!gigo!wattres!steve
Left to his own devices, he'd be /dev/null.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: Re: Comp.dcom.telecom Moderator attacks ham radio
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:38:10 GMT

lapin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Gregory Lapin) writes:

>In article <cchapman.88.712245509@matd.gatech.edu> cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman) writes:

[...]

>>Why does comp.dcom.telecom have to have a moderator anyway?  It's only
>>purpose seems to be to give this Pat guy the opportunity to play god and
>>control the discussion.  I think someone should start a new unmoderated
>>dcom group so there can be free and open discussion on the subject.  I
>>know there is an alt.dcom group but not everyone has access to the alt
>>groups.
>>
>>Chuck, WB4UIH

>Chuck, I think someone missed the point of this.  Pat seems to be comparing
>the old (good) Internet community to the old (good) ham radio community and
>the new (bad) hackers to the (bad) CBers. {Words in parentheses are not
>necessarily my opinions, only my interpretations of Pat's}.

>I'm not interested in starting a flame war, and don't even care to read
>alt.dcom, but that's how I read the moderator's comment.  Maybe he is a
>ham?

Pat is not a ham, and I think he's painted the hobby with somewhat of a
broad brush (whether he meant to or not).  My original message on the
subject was cross-posted to rec.radio.cb, due to the mention of the CB
service as well.  I accidentally forgot to add a Followup-To: header
back to the ham group.  Please don't compound my mistake further by
blindly following up without noting (and editing, if necessary) the
Newsgroups: line.

>Why is a discussion of USENET policies on rec.radio.amateur.misc?

Because discussions of Usenet policies emerge in EVERY newsgroup.  The fact
that we are unmoderated makes the phenomena of runaway tangential
threads that much worse.  I apologize for inadvertently setting off an
"I hate the Telecom Digest Moderator" thread.  I've sent information to
the followup poster about how to go about creating a new newsgroup, and
I hope this thread will die a quick death.

73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

pschleck@unomaha.edu

>Greg KD9AZ
From: frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:06:53 GMT
Subject: Re: What's a Mini-Circuits MAR-6?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

*I just found some goodies in a corner of my office.  I suspect they are really
*nice goodies although I don't know exactly what they are (they were left by
*someone else).  I would appreciate any assistance in making a positive
*identification (exactly what the devices are, specs, pinouts).  Here's what
*information I have:
*
*Manufacturer: Mini-Circuits
*Part number: MAR-6
*very small round package; 4 pins, one pin at every 90 deg, one pin marked with
*a dot.

It is a "broadband monolithic amplifier".  50 ohms in/out.  DC-2 GHz.

gain in dB (typical):
100MHz	500MHz	1GHz	2GHz	min gain at 2GHz
20 dB	19 dB	16 dB	11 dB	9 dB

1dB gain compression point: 0dBm output
max input level (no damage): +15dBm
noise figure (typical): 2.8dB
third order intercept (typical): +15dBm
VSWR:  input 2:1  output 1.8:1  (worst case) 
16 mA 3.5V  
$1.29 each in quantities of 25.

The dot in the RF input. The lead across from it is the RF output and bias.
The other two leads are ground.  You need a resistor from the RF output
to your power supply.  Add a choke if you use a small resistor value.

You need blocking capacitors on input and output, so it doesn't really
go down to DC.

power supply:
+5V	+9V	+12V	+15V
98ohms	344ohms	531ohms	719ohms	(approximately)  There is some device to
device variation on the bias, but you want around 16 mA. It blows up at 50mA.

The SWR spec isn't terrific, but the spec is over the 2 GHz range.  They are 
much better below 500 MHz.  The charts show about 1.1:1 input and 1.2:1 
output at 500 MHz (typical numbers).

They can be useful for cheap preamps.

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: wade@n1bwt.enet.dec.com (Paul Wade)
Subject: RE: topo maps
Reply-To: wade@n1bwt.enet.dec.com (Paul Wade)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:19:51 GMT

>Article 21902 of rec.radio.amateur.misc:
>From: chhibber@andromeda.rutgers.edu (The Purple Cow)
>Subject: topo maps
>
>Hi!  This might seem like an unusual question but does anyone know where I 
>can get topographical maps for New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania??
>I am trying to establish commo between me and my friends when I go camping
>etc.  Just something I wanna try out.
>
>Thanks in advance.

well, you can get them from the US Govt.;  I've gotten some from

MapLink
25 E. Mason
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
805-965-4402

Their ad says, "Slow service, errors in your order, damaged maps and back
orders may be your experience of special topo map orders from Denver-based
USGS.  MapLink thinks it can compete!"

Large outdoor stores often have a selection, also.

paul N1BWT