HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:21:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.010438.13040@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.164415.13315@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>
>>Thanks for the clarification.  However, your original statement was:
>>
>>>Although obscenity is regulable
>>>under the Constitution,
>>
>>which taken separately clearly is incorrect.
>
>You are mistaken. What I said is entirely correct.

You said you agree with me that the Constitution does not prohibit
obscenity but guarantees freedom of speech.  Now you are saying that
obscenity is regulable under the Constitution.  (sorry if my
undersanding was incomplete).  I think there's a contradiction here
somewhere.

>>I think it would be best
>>to qualify clearly unconstitutional interpretations (or ones where
>>there's considerable disagreement) by things like "according to the
>>current interpretation [by the Supreme Court]".
>
>Jyrki, you use "clearly unconstitutional interpretations" in a very odd
>way here.

I'll try to clarify.  I have a document, the U.S. Constitution.  I
call "Constitutional" things that comply with that document.  I call
"unconstitutional" things that don't comply with that document.  Now,
the document talks nothing about "obscenity" but rather guarantees
freedom of speech.  Also, it is a document which enumerates the powers
of government.  This is why I call prohibition on obscenity clearly
unconstitutional.  I don't think it changes to be constitutional if
Donald Duck, Miko Godwin, Frank Zappa, George Bush or the U.S. Supreme
Court says it's constitutional.  It will be "judged constitutional by
Mike Godwin" or any of the others above.

>The Supreme Court is the highest governmental body that
>interprets the Constitution.

Does it hold a monopoly on interpreting the Constitution?

>While I disagree with many of the decisions
>the Supreme Court has made, I can't say I know of a single "clearly
>unconstitutional interpretation."

>>I think this is an important distinction.
>
>It's not one that is ever found in American discourse on Constitutional
>law.

If there's no such distinction, then if tomorrow the Supreme Court
announces that it is not unconstitional for police to shoot all
persons who have ever written to Usenet at first sighting, it is
perfectly constitutional to shoot all Usenetters without trial.

>Perhaps we should institute it as the Kuoppala Distinction.

Feel free.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship,soc.college
From: haverkam@uni-duesseldorf.de (Wilhelm Haverkamp)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Calendar of Events till December 92.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:39:36 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: haverkamp.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

Who can send me a calendar of events
about computer-oriented congresses
in NY or surrounding.
Thanks in advance
Wilhelm Haverkamp
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:04:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.075258.499@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.031852.19873@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff (Mike Godwin) writes:
>>Although obscenity is regulable
>>under the Constitution,
>
>Could you point out exactly how this is so?  My copy reads:
>
>                                AMENDMENT I
>   Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
>prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
>or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
>petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
>
>which seems simple enough to a layman - there's no "obscenity" mentioned.

Jyrki, I agree with you. But the Supreme Court disagrees--most notably
in Miller v. California, 458 U.S. 747 (1972).

It should be noted that whenever I post as to what is or is not
Constitutional, I'm articulating the current status of Constitutional law,
not my own opinion as to what *should* be Constitutional law, *unless* I
state explicitly that I'm offering my own opinion.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship,soc.college
From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Banned List Reminds me of National Enquirer Tactics!
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:48:11 GMT

marchany@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Randy Marchany) writes:

[...]
>Carl, thank you for the apology but I'm still perturbed over the intent
>of posting a "Sites that BAN stuff" list.

I think I see the problem. It was not my intent to list only material
that *is currently* banned. As you point out, creating such a list
would require extensive verification.

It was my intend to list material that *was* banned (or challenged) in
1992. To quote the original first line of the List:

"Inspired by Banned Book Week '92, this is a list of computer material
banned or challenged in academia in 1992."

I think this says what I intended, but it is not as clear as it could
be. A better first line is:

"Inspired by Banned Book Week '92, this is a list of computer material
that was banned or challenged in academia in 1992."
^^^^^^^^

- Carl

p.s. I'm posting this clarification to all the newsgroups I posted the
original List to.

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
banned.1992
=================
A list of computer material that was banned or challenged in academia
in 1992.

=================
old.banned.1992
=================
The first posted version of the list of computer material that was
banned or challenged in academia in 1992.

=================
=================

These document(s) are available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/banned.1992
  pub/academic/old.banned.1992

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom banned.1992
send acad-freedom old.banned.1992


-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: [alt.censorship] banned newsgroup at u of o
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:41:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.211846.8595@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

[repost]

>alt.binaries.pictures.erotica has been banned from University of Oregon. 
>Isn't this
>censorship?

Arguably.  The alt.binaries groups, in general, are high volume groups
and may be a strain on a small system's resources.
Alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, being the highest volume of these, is
often the first to go if resources are limited.  Some of the other
binaries groups (notably comp.binaries.*) have clear applications in
academic work, and are less likely to be sacrificed.

You might check to see if alt.binaries.pictures.misc, no slouch
itself, is still available.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [comp.edu, et al.] Computers for students, by students.
Followup-To: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.edu,comp.admin.policy,comp.org.acm,comp.unix.admin,chi.general
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:44:13 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.admin.policy,comp.org.acm,comp.unix.admin,chi.general
From: technews@iitmax.iit.edu (Kevin Kadow)
Subject: Computers for students, by students.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:35:18 GMT

We (The association for Computing Machinery, IIT chapter) are working to get
a computer for student use, to provide the students and student organizations
with a Bulletin Board System for announcements, discussion, and the like.

	One of the requests the Finance Board (the student "leaders" who make
financial decisions) has made before they will consider approval is that we
provide them with information from:

	"... other universities or groups outside of IIT who could advocate
the additon of such a system, or ideally, have made such an addtion themselves."

-- 
           Death is Nature's way of telling you to slow down.

technews@iitmax.iit.edu                           kadokev@harpo.iit.edu
                         My Employer Disagrees.
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship,soc.college
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:20:32 GMT

From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
>
>The speech could not be composed without running the program.  Of
>course, the act of composing the speech and the act of producing it
>are two different things.
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham

Why should they be forced to pay for your "free speech"?  It sounds like a
load of stuff from a computer addict to justify his addiction.
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.news
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: A relief from senior year stresses
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:01:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <91864@netnews.upenn.edu> tien58@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Michelle Tien) writes:
>My good news: I've been invited by two companies to interview with them,
>and I'm having a party on friday ... only the second time I've had a chance
>to have fun since the semester started!

Wow, you're having fun at _Penn_?  Now that's good news.

Good luck in the interviews.



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
From: nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM (Nikita Motalygo)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Me and my girl
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:02:20 GMT
Reply-To: nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.ebay.sun.com


	This will probably gain me some flames, but here goes, anyway...

	I believe that one is ready for a lasting love only when one can be
happy for others who love. Because when you can be happy for others, you truely
love and accept yourself. Loving yourself is good news!
From: phineas@brombeer.sta.sub.org (Stephan Freundorfer)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Me and my wife now :-)
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:09:52 GMT
Organization: King Ralphs Palace , Munich

Hi there!


I just wanted to thank everyone who send his congratulations to me.

The church and the wedding party were great, everything really went
fine (finer as I expected). And, one gift from good friends of us
was a weekend in Vienna plus tickets for 'Phantom of the opera'. So
we had a little honeymoon in the end.

Just happy,
Stephan. 

--
Stephan Freundorfer               phineas@brombeer.sta.sub.org
Munich/Germany
+49 89-7256359      "Vertrauen sie mir, ich weiss was ich tue"
From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Yea!  I passed!
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:22:27 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep27.184915.23481@ncsu.edu>, kirkland@stat.ncsu.edu (Laura Kirkland ) writes:
> 
> 
> Yea!  I passed my comprehensives!  So the only obstcle I have for
> obtaining a Master's degree is a couple of classes and my orals!
> Yippee!!
> 
> Plus, I had a fun weekend of not studying!
> 
> Laura   
-- 

Congratulations from Scotland!!!!!!!

################################################################################
# Kirk P at D.I.T.                                                             #
#                                                                              #
# Janet : mcsbc3ktp@uk.ac.dct                                                  #
# Int   : mcsbc3ktp@uk.ac.dct@cunyvm.cuny.edu                                  #
#                                                                              #
#                   K E E P    G R O O V Y !                                   #
################################################################################
From: kirkland@stat.ncsu.edu (Laura Kirkland )
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Yea!  I passed!
Keywords: Yea! I passed!
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:49:15 GMT
Organization: Statistics, NCSU
Originator: kirkland@esssc5.stat.ncsu.edu



Yea!  I passed my comprehensives!  So the only obstcle I have for
obtaining a Master's degree is a couple of classes and my orals!
Yippee!!

Plus, I had a fun weekend of not studying!

Laura
From: dfong@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Weddings, Parties, Anything...
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:23:02 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hiya groovy people,

Two people that I have known for a few years while completing
my degree have gone and got engaged !

One lecturer's response was (jokingly) : "Wallies !"

But hey, that's academia for you !

I told them I was gonna do this, they didn't want me to do this...
but here I am.

If anyone would like to send them a congratulatory message, that would
be really cool, (and it would embarrass them more).

Their names are :
	Chris <SPOOK!> Guthrey (cguthrey@waikato.ac.nz)
  and	Kathy 'Tweety' Jack (krj@waikato.ac.nz)

Plase note that they don't have e-mail privileges and won't be able
to reply to any mail. But what the hey - I'm sure they would appreciate
your messages of good luck/best wishes/etc

Thanks for your time...

De Fish!
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From: andrewc@spider.co.uk (Andrew Cannon)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: A good night's sleep
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:34:20 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <FRANCIS.92Oct1143112@galois.dogwood.atl.ga.us> francis@dogwood.atl.ga.us (John Stracke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.011804.26568@sj.nec.com> bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com (David Sweeney  x2987) writes:
>
>>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>>I slept great last night.
>[...]
>>>This morning as I was getting dressed, I glanced out the window.
>>>The building next door was gone.  
>>
>>You woke up?  Amateur.
>>
>>A few years ago, my next door neighbor's house caught fire in the middle
>>of the night.  My window was on the second floor facing the house.  Two
>
>In college, I lived in a dorm; for two years, I was in a room with a
>fire alarm right outside the door.  It went off relatively often, and
>*never* woke me up, nor could my roommate.
>

I also had this problem for several years. Then a close personel friend 
pointed out that I was, in fact, dead.
-- 
|      Andy Cannon       | All spelling and grammatical mistakes portrayed |   
| Misplaced Yorkshireman | in this post are my own. Any resemblance to any |   
|   Spider Systems Ltd   | other mistakes, both living and dead, is purely |  
|  andrewc@spider.co.uk  | coincidental.                                   |  
Xref: sparky alt.good.news:921 talk.bizarre:32549
From: inspecti@carnival.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: A good night's sleep
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:00:01 GMT
Reply-To: inspecti@carnival.lbl.gov ()
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov

bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com (David Sweeney  x2987) writes:
>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>I slept great last night.

>>At some awful hour of the morning, I heard the most tremendous crash
>>I've ever heard (I live in the heart of Philadelphia, so I've heard
>>some doozies).  Glass smashing, stuff booming, just incredible.
>>I thought to myself -- "Huh.  Big crash."  And went back to sleep.

>>This morning as I was getting dressed, I glanced out the window.
>>The building next door was gone.  

>You woke up?  Amateur.

>A few years ago, my next door neighbor's house caught fire in the middle
>of the night.  My window was on the second floor facing the house.  Two
>fire engines responded, but the house was already engulfed in flames and
>they were unable to save the structure.  A policeman parked in the middle
>of the street and ran his siren for a minute or two to alert the neighborhood
>of the danger.  How do I know this?  My brother told me in the morning
>when I asked about the mess next door.  I had slept through it.


camp.  you all know about camp.  or heard about it.  boy scout camp.
and i'm assigned to bunk with the single most unpopular guy in the 
whole organization.

this means other scouts play horrible pranks on him.

i bunk with him, but am not quite so universally disliked.
this means the other scouts play small token horrible pranks on me.

one night, i wake up and discover i have been lashed to my bunk, 
and am being carried outside.

"hi dave."  i say to the guy who is holding the head of my bunk.

"oh, hi matthew."  he says.

"coudja put me back in the tent now?"  i ask.

"sure."  he directs his men to put me back in the tent.  

"good night, guys."  

"g'nite, matthew."  they file out.


-
apparently, two nights earlier they were entertaining themselves
by lifting my cot up over their heads, and dropping it.  i bounced
six or seven times.


inspecti camper, happy
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Re: Me and my girl
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:32:33 GMT

matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes:
: : >
: : >	I believe that one is ready for a lasting love only when one can be
: : >happy for others who love. Because when you can be happy for others, you truely
: : >love and accept yourself. Loving yourself is good news!
: 
: Die, rat bastard.
From: nroth@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.EDU ( Nancy Roth)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: A good night's sleep
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:09:02 GMT
Reply-To: nroth@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.EDU
Organization: Management Systems Office


Sounds familiar.  One summer there was a squirrel that got its tail stuck in
the transformer on the telephone pole just outside my window.  It started a
fire and my mother said the fire truck with sirens on parked on the street
right in front of my window which was wide open. 

I didn't believe them until they showed me the fried squirrel.

Nan Roth
nroth@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
From: nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM (Nikita Motalygo)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Yea!  I passed!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 01:03:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nikita@cherokee.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: 
	Congratulations!


Xref: sparky alt.good.news:917 talk.bizarre:32412
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 14:01:12 PST
From: <DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: A good night's sleep
 <nking.717969763@unix1.tcd.ir>

In article <nking.717969763@unix1.tcd.ir>, nking@unix1.tcd.ie (Nev's family
recipe) says:
>
>In <1992Oct1.011804.26568@sj.nec.com> bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com (David
>Sweeney  x2987) writes:
>
>>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>>>At some awful hour of the morning, I heard the most tremendous crash
>>>I've ever heard (I live in the heart of Philadelphia, so I've heard
>>>some doozies).  Glass smashing, stuff booming, just incredible.
>>>I thought to myself -- "Huh.  Big crash."  And went back to sleep.
>
>>A few years ago, my next door neighbor's house caught fire in the middle
>>of the night.  My window was on the second floor facing the house.  Two
>>fire engines responded, but the house was already engulfed in flames and
>>they were unable to save the structure.  A policeman parked in the middle
>>of the street and ran his siren for a minute or two to alert the neighborhood
>>of the danger.  How do I know this?  My brother told me in the morning
>>when I asked about the mess next door.  I had slept through it.
>
>>And yes, I was sober.
>
>Ha - thats nothing... I slept htrough a nigh of patriot missiles and
>heavy shellin in the gulf war
>
Yeah, and I slept through the explosion of a house a block away(it woke
people up five miles away) even though all our windows were open. It's
been done. Incidentally, aren't Patriots suppopsed to blow up far away
from the ground?

Roo-Dog Rip

Roo-Dog Rip is:                  <>SLAC, Stanford, the DOE and the
Derrell Durrett                  <>University of Colorado neither claim
D_DURRETT@COLOPHYS.BITNET        <>responsibility nor accept liability
D_DURRETT%KAOS@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU <>for my opinions. Gee- what a surprise.
Newsgroups: alt.good.news
From: latarra@buhub.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren)
Subject: cat
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 07:10:57 GMT

I just got my first cat.  It's a little cat, just big enough to hang on
my keychain.  A new aquaintance wove it during a meeting of a new group
that I'm in <another yeah!> and just gave it to me since she was just
doing it to keep her hands busy...:)  That was nice...:)
--
"Is you in, or is you ain't?"
"You cannot just grab a penis and make it erect." 

Fuzzies to everybody who wants them...New shipments every Thursday.

Newsgroups: alt.good.news,talk.bizarre
From: dan@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Allard)
Subject: Re: A good night's sleep
Keywords: not mesons
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:39:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.230804.15692@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes:
>In article <X!3-GDB@engin.umich.edu> ldoering@engin.umich.edu (Laurence Doering) writes:
>  [ many sleep stories deleted ]
>|Big fucking deal.  When I was in college, my dorm was right across the
>|street from the Schuylkill Jackhammer Proving Grounds.  There was a
>|naval gunnery range just down the block, and on the other side of the
>|building was the rig where they test-fired the throttleable rocket motors
>|for the X-15.  
>|To top it off, my roommate used to rent our room out to a local band as
>|a practice space.  I'd be lying there in bed, and they'd plop the sound
>|board right down on my back, step all over my legs when they were running
>|patch cords, spend ten agonizing minutes trying to figure out why the
>|feedback was so bad, and then Avanga, the lead singer, would launch
>|into "Search and Destroy".
>|Even so, with jackhammers, rocket motor tests, sixteen-inch naval guns
>|just down the street, and Thalidomide Baby practicing every night right
>|next to my bed, I managed to sleep for fourteen hours a day and flunked
>|out of school.
>
spent my four years of college in the core of the sun.  every morning,
my atoms underwent fusion and were converted into photons.
didn't wake up once.

--