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From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: the Vader in DARTH VADER
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 01:05:34 EST
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magarell@dimacs.rutgers.edu (christopher magarelli) writes:

> In article <1993Jan5.060038.29639@cc.umontreal.ca> kosmatoo@JSP.UMontreal.CA 
> 
>  > Ever wonder about the name DARTH VADER? Check out this little session
>  > with the electronic Webster dictionary I just had:
>  > 
>  > |webster>DEFINE VADER
>  > |
>  > |SPELLING
>  > |1 voder
>  > |
>  > |webster>DEFINE VODER
>  > |
>  > |DEFINITION 0
>  > |vo.der \'vo-d-*r\ n [voice operation demonstrator] : an electronic device
>  > |that is capable of producing a recognizable approximation of speech
>  > 
>  > Does anybody know where the name DARTH VADER comes from really?
>  > To me, it sounds like "DEATH VODER" -- The voice of death
>  > -- 
>  > ___                                ___               ,   ^             ,
>  > =*=        Odisseas Kosmatos       =*=  "Cul bien vide, tete plein d'idees
>  > =*=    kosmatoo@jsp.umontreal.ca   =*=
>  > =*= shammer@mafalda.math.mcgill.ca =*=
> 
>      To me, it always sounded like a contraction of "DARk deaTH
> inVADER".  There's another possibility -- Does anybody know if "vader"
> means "father" in some language?  It sounds like it might.
> 
>           Chris Magarelli
> -- 
> 
>           Chris Magarelli

I believe the German for father is "vater", althought it is prounounced 
"fah-ter."  But to look at the spelling, one might easily say "vay-ter" 
and derive something from that.  This still leaves Darth.


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From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Comics 4 sale
Distribution: world
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Date: 4 Jan 93 01:44:40 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange

 
I have the following comics for sale.  All are in NM/M condition, as most have
never been read.  I have more than one copy on some issues. Please make 
offers 
that aren't *too* low (IMHO, none of the guides are right).Buyer pays 
shipping.  
 
STAR TREK comics
 
    Marvel #1,3,11
    DC Movie Special #2 (ST4)
    DC 1st Series #1,4,8,12,15,17,22,23,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,40,
                   41,43,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,56,A-3
    DC 2nd Series #3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,23,29,A-1
       TNG(mini) #5
       TNG(regular) #5,6,7,8,9,10,11,23,24,25
       TNG Mod. #1,3
 
STAR WARS comics
 
    Marvel #24,25,31,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78
 
Please email me at  Zardoz@sycom.MI.ORG  if interested.  Thanx.
 
Happy New Year, Dave.
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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 3rd Zahn Novel
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:34:49 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <n9yawvx@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>Forgive my last post, I forgot to put a title in it.
>
>Wasn't the 3rd Zahn novel supposed to be  published around X-mas?
>
>Tim.


According to all the bookstores I asked at, it supposed to be May/June '93,
same months as the other's were released.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth

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From: bowman@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Carl Bowman)
Subject: Ben's Lightsaber
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:25:57 EST

I did a frame-by-frame search of the lightsaber scene between Ben Kenobi
and Darth Vader.  In EVERY instance where Ben's saber is short, it is because
Ben's hands have his saber pointed TOWARD the camera.  If you don't have good
frame-by-frame, simply watch Ben's hands.  This is an error on the actor's 
part.  He simply didn't understand that he had to hold the saber parallel to
the camera even if he was facing the camera.  Let's stop this nonsense about 
the saber, please.  The saber is long during the fight when it is facing the
proper direction.

Vader's saber IS green for a second as the doors are closing.

I have a large screen TV, Surround Sound, and multiple VCRs.  I feel very
confident about my assesment of the lightsaber scene.
From: zawarski@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Zawarski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Luke's lightsaber.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:53:34 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Summary: Luke's lightsaber.
Keywords: Luke, lightsaber


 Here is something I have not seen discussed or in the FAQ.. why, in ROTJ,
does Vader say to Luke, while looking at Luk's lightsaber, "you have built
your own lightsaber, Obi-Wan has taught you well.." (or something like.)
So , is Luke a machinist or what? Did he build it from scrap? What's the
big deal? I thought it was all in how you use it? What's so great about his
saber? "Give me a good blaster anyday.."          Rob.

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Date: Wed,  6 Jan 93 17:14:46 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Zahn's books
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
	<1idtv9INNi50@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan6.153925.19675@netcom.com>
Distribution: usa

Zahn's books are very formulaic and poorly written, and I found them
very disappointing.  I'm surprised Lucas allowed such a thing to be
done, but I guess it's anything for a buck anymore.

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
From: braun@daytona.tunl.duke.edu (Richard Braun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Keywords: errors, light sabre
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:15:18 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <C0CpHq.JH8@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>>
>To take this even further, I remember seeing a "Making of Star Wars" show
>in the early 80's (perhaps made pre-TESB).  In it, they explained that they
>used this type of angle footage discreetly to show the extension of the
>light saber.  The actor would start pointing the prop saber (which was
>fully extended, always was) at the camera.  Then, using a switch on the hilt
>to distract from the "slight of hand", the actor would slowly turn the blade
>so it appeared to lengthen in the two-dimensional camera frame.  The sfx
>folks would later add colour....
>
Its been a while since I've watched the movie, but I remember the scene well.
In fact when Ben's sabre shortens I think you can see the ~half inch
diameter rod sticking out of the light sabre handle.  I seem to vaguely
remember hearing that in the first movie the light sabres effects were done
(partially?) on the set (some trick with lights?) but for the subsequent
movies all light sabre efects were done in postproduction.  Does anybody
reme mber this?  

Brad's posting makes sense when I think about Luke turns on his sabre for
the first time; he has his hand in some weird position and starts swinging
it as the blade comes out. 

As for C3PO's storytelling ability, maybe he was just lying to Luke. He knew
he was a great storyteller but didn't want to waste his time telling some
yokel his life story after a rough day of dodging the empire.
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From: barryl@mongoose.tansu.com.au (Barry Lightbody)
Subject: Lettebox copies of movies in Australia
Reply-To: barryl@mongoose.tansu.com.au
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:11:25 GMT

All the talk of the letter box version of the movies has got my interest.

Does any one know where I may purchase copies of these in Australia, or overseas to be
sent to Australia. Remember we have the PAL system of TV so the tapes must have been
made for the PAL system

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From: e_dessu@pavo.concordia.ca (dez)
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber.
Summary: Luke's lightsaber.
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Keywords: Luke, lightsaber
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:32:00 GMT

In article <1is55uINN6st@aludra.usc.edu>, zawarski@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Zawarski) writes...
> 
> Here is something I have not seen discussed or in the FAQ.. why, in ROTJ,
>does Vader say to Luke, while looking at Luk's lightsaber, "you have built
>your own lightsaber, Obi-Wan has taught you well.." (or something like.)
>So , is Luke a machinist or what? Did he build it from scrap? What's the
>big deal? I thought it was all in how you use it? What's so great about his
>saber? "Give me a good blaster anyday.."          Rob.

Well, I forget where I heard it, but I do remember hearing that the
building of one's lightsaber was one of the final steps to achieving 
Jedi status.  Don't ask me why.

dez
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From: scratchy.caltech.edu!kasturi (Tejaswi Kasturi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Movies
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:46:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Originator: kasturi@scratchy

I'm new to this newsgroup and my star wars fanmanship only went as far as  
the movies.

I was wondering when the next new Star Wars movie (I, as I understand it)  
will be released.  Will it be this year?

Tej Kasturi
kasturi@cco.caltech.edu
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C3PO-gets a break
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:39:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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> My questions is:  Why would the Empire give C3PO's parts to Chewie in the
> detention cell.  I understand the concept of not killing off a main
> character. I was wondering if that was the only reason, or was the Empire
> motivated in allowing Chewie to reassemble C3PO as opposed to sending his
> remains back to the incinerator.
> 
Good question.  Vader was only interested in Luke at this time, and was using
the others as bait.  He had no intention of killing any of them, even a two-bit
translator droid...

JP
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: THE LAST COMMAND prediction (SA!)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:42:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1993Jan5.173303.3221@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett) writes:

>6) A major character will be killed or die, maybe Chewbacca, Lando, or 
>even Leia.  This is a bit far fetched, but I think it is a possiblitity.

I haven't read any of the Zahn books, but this breaks the
tried-and-true law of knock-offs, licenses, and that sort of
thing: You can't make irreversable/visible changes to any
characters.

This would lock Lucas into dealing with it later. It would also
mean that if Part VII came along, and a character who Zahn had
killed off was dead, then Zahn's books would be contradicted, and
guess who wins the 'canon' battle.

This is one of the reasons I really dislike associated works of
any sort. The authors may be brilliant writers, and know the
characters intimately, but they can't make universe-shattering
changes. Everything must end up exactly as it was before, or in
such a way that a written sequel (which may or may never appear)
could fix the damage.

This bugs me when I'm reading them. Right now, I'm in the middle
of Classic Star Wars, by Dark Horse. Luke's new friend (whose name
escapes me at the moment, but she's blond and hot for him)
probably won't live to the end of the run, or she'll go off and
never be seen again. And these were the comics that explained the
Ord Mantell reference in TESB. Sniffle.

The only way the death of a major character could happen would be
Lucas saying "all right, 4 years post-RotJ, so-and-so dies, and
I'll never mention how/where/who/etc in another movie".
(Un)Fortunately, the Dark Empire series by Dark Horse is set
after Zahn's books, and all the major characters (even Wedge) are
there. So unless Lucasfilm is contradicting itself already, it
just isn't going to happen.

Joshua
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From: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: C3PO-gets a break
Reply-To: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:27:05 GMT

There could also be another reason as to why the empire gave chewbacca the parts to c3po. Rumor has it that the Empire had 5 spy droids. These droids did not know that they were spies. Four of the five droids were found. 3po is rumored to be the fourth spy. Maybe Vader knew this, and this is why they gave 3po back to chewbacca.
					Dark Jedi
From: rogue@ucrengr.ucr.edu (ed zeamba)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:21:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1993Jan7.121253.1@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu> belcinski@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca>, s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>>      Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>> is the advantage of spreading the wings in an X-wing fighter in deep space?  

you mean S-foils...well thats what was said durring the attack
	lock S-foils in attack position...

So why are they calling the x-wing's "wings" S-foils?  anyone know?

>
>  Possibly, it has to do with spreading out active sensors for better
>detection/targetting of the enemy.  Maybe the SW sensors rely on parallax.  

maybe cause it looked neat.. I thought so :)>

Does anyone ask Trivia on here?  or are we all "experts" ?

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:47:45 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Zahn's books and new SW movies.

The new movies will NOT, I repeat NOT, be based on Zahn's books.
The next movies will be Parts I-III, taking place before the
movies already released; after that, Parts VII-IX will be
released, and these will presumably take place AFTER Zahn's
books and Dark Empire.

Something I've been wondering about: will Luke be in Parts VII-IX?
I think more should be done with the character, and I'm not sure
that the comics are doing him justice.
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From: hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett)
Subject: New book on SW collectibles
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:49:39 GMT

Has anyone seen the new book on Star Wars collectibles?  I think it's called
"Star Wars: From Screen to Saga to Sensation" Or something like that.  It
has a golden Darth Vader on the cover and inside it has articles and pictures
of ever Star Wars collectible ever made, even those never put on the market.
It looks really interesting. Check it out.     

                       

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From: x91newcastl1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:22:40 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1iqe8mINN3na@leela.CS.ORST.EDU>, littaum@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau) writes:
> After watching Return of the Jedi about 5 times on Showtime in the past 
> month, I've noticed a few things that seemed quirky:
> 
[text deleted]

> 2>  Is it just me, or was the Wedge character seriously underdeveloped?  
> The guy managed to survive the first death star trench battle, the hoth
> at-at battle, *AND* the second death star battle.  Plus it doesn't make
> sense that Lando Calrissian was some mining platform owner who manages
> to rise quickly in the rebel ranking system (and apparantly higher than
> Wedge, since Lando commandeered the fighter attack, while Wedge was just
> a "sub-set" leader).  I guess it's just who ya know, eh?

  Well, I kind of see Wedge as a guy who lives to blow TIE-fighters, etc.
out of the sky, vacuum, etc.  He has probably passed up many promotions, 
just to keep flying (and to keep out of a command ship/desk job).
  I also think that Lando's position was an almost honorary, "battlefield
promotion" type of position.  The Alliance needed good leaders, and Lando
helped to fill the void.  Evidently some of his alluded-to past experience
(probably shady :) was enough to earn him the title.

--Bryan Newcastle
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:50:55 CST

In article <16B4B11084.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> mason writes:
>In article <16B4B18FA.WCHE@vm.poly.edu>
>WCHE@vm.poly.edu writes:
> 
>>>>Ben might have wanted
>>>>to train Luke because he wasn't as well hidden as Leia.  Also, Luke may
>>>>have expressed more of an affiliation to the Force at that time.  And we
>>>>are missing the argument that Kenobi may have been acting patriachical!
>>>
>>>Or perhaps it was simpler: Kenobi never MET Leia....
>>
>>   Or perhaps Ben is sexist.  Maybe he feel that women is too weak to
>>be a Jedi.   That's why he wants to teach Luke, and not Leia.  (This is
>>just a thought, so try not to take it so seriously.  :)
> 
>   Leia was the adopted daughter of an imperial senator and a member of
>Alderaan's royal family ... hidden in plain sight, as it were.  I'm
>certain Ben knew of her existance and equally certain that he respected
>her abilities as much as Luke's.  The catch is: he couldn't go anywhere
>near her without attracting attention to her and to himself.  Thus, he
>chose to remain close to Luke on a backwater dustball, and do what he
>could to influence the boy's development.
>   Also, Vader knew he had a son, but did NOT know he had a daughter as
>well.  Ben HAD to stay close to Luke to protect him, while Leia could
>remain safely anonymous elsewhere.
> 
> 
>-- mason

How about this?  If Leia is Vader's daughter and Luke's sister, she must've
always had a certain amount of the force, even though she didn't know it.
How come Vader didn't sense it in the first movie when he was two inches in
front of her?  


Jeff
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Where is Mara Jade?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 12:36 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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	Where is Mara Jade in the Dark Horse comics? Did she die
in the 3rd Zahn book? Or did I just miss her in the comics?

dan

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From: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Hollywood Ins.
Reply-To: hsc5505@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:21:41 GMT

Actually, they are doing the first three movies, and the first one is to be relieced may 15, 1997.
		Dark Jedi
From: Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Model kit re-releases
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:49:52 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

Scott Streeter writes:
|> In July the following model kits will be re-release from AMT/ERTL
|> 
|> Darth Vader figure
|> Shuttle Tyderium
|> Snap Together AT-ST
|> Rebel Base Action Scene (diorama)

This is good news!  Especially the shuttle model - a toy store had one of
these hanging from the ceiling, I was green with envy when I found out
AMT/ERTL weren't re-releasing it along with the falcon etc.  Perhaps this
second wave of re-releases is saying that the SW models have been a success
... anyone have any ideas about this?  I know our local model store must
have sold dozens of the falcon model alone, and they aren't cheap! (18 pounds)
Since the re-issuing started I've bought the falcon, a speeder bike, a 
snowspeeder, an at-at and a star destroyer.  X-wings have been sold out for
about 6 months - the model store says this is due to a shortage of imports!
I think this says the models are certainly popular here in the UK - what about
elsewhere in the world?

Sy

Hey Scott, where do you get this great information from?

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