HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r)
Subject: Re: energy saving rebates (was: FREE gas logs!)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 05:59:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.142015.18734@esseye.si.com> jongsma@esseye.si.com writes:
>
>Personally, I think the logic is a bit shakey. I suspect that peak
>demand is driven primarily by business/industrial customers, so all
>this might help is with base demand.

Not so. The main drains in business and industry tend to either stay on
constantly (do you know what *your* mainframe's doing right now?), or they
reduce the "peak load" effect. In rare cases, they eliminate it. Oak Ridge
Tennessee doesn't have a peak load problem, for example. The residential
load is light compared to the atomic labs, and the drain from the labs
is steady. You also don't see rebates there.

This *is* gradually changing as we move deeper into a service industrial
mode, but the main loads still come on line from 6-9am and 5-8pm. It's
likely to stay that way - businesses have proven more willing to spend
capital dollars to conserve expenses later than individuals have. Look
at the trend towards PCs that partially shut down when noone's typing.

>Since all the modey for these programs comes right from the utility
>bill revenue, all they are doing is giving you money you'll be paying
>back to them every month.

You got that right. Actually, though, if I buy this real efficient unit,
won't somebody *else* be paying them most of that?

>Many state PUCs are really into this, allowing the utility companies to
>even make "profits" on this avoided new capacity. Bus Week or Forbes ran
>an article on this a short while ago.

Interesting. I can see why New Jersey might want to encourage this sort
of thing - there's no place to put a new plant, unless it's gas or nuke.
Actually, there was some talk a while back of building a combination
incinerator/generator. Sort of killing two birds with one stone. If I
remember correctly, they ran into too much "not in my backyard" syndrome.

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Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,misc.forsale,misc.misc,misc.wanted
From: gerard@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gerard Yeh)
Subject: Rental Housing Available in Mtn. View, CA
Summary: rent, rental, house, housing
Keywords: rent, rental, house, housing
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:07:55 GMT

Duplex House for Rent:
The two units share a common wall with separate entrances
and separate garages.  It's bright and quiet, and in the heart
of Silicon Valley.  The house is located on Sylvan Ave in Mountain
View, CA and from my personal experiences, you will be commuting
against the traffic.

* Separate Living Rooms with Fireplace
* Family Room
* Dining Room
* 2 Bedrooms
  (One spacious master bedroom and one regular size bedroom)
* 2 Complete Bathrooms
* Complete Kitchen
* Separate Laundry room
* Approximately 1200 sq ft of living space.
* Private Backyard with room for small garden.
* Garage and a big drive way
* Front yard with greenery

Amenities:

New Refrigirator
Washer
Dryer
Some Furnitures
Cable Connection
Fireplace
Smoke Detector
BBQ Grill

Environment:

Residential Community in Mountain View school district
City Park with Tennis Court 1/2 block away
Near Supermarket and Department Store.
Convenient access to El Camino Real, Central Expressway,
    Hwy 237 and Hwy 85 with connection to 280 and 101.
Heart of Silicon Valley: in Mountain View 1 block away from
    Sunnyvale.

Rental Arrangement:

$1050 per month.
We prefer long term and stable lease.
Please contact Sherry Yeh at syeh@gene.com or
dial (415) 962-8064.
You may also reply to gerard@leland.stanford.edu
From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Manufactured (Modular) Housing, NOT Mobile Home
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:49:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1992Dec30.231320.11123@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, ktong@shannon.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Tong) writes:
> 
> Does anyone out there know anything about manufactured (modular) 
> housing or has any experience with a house built using manufactured 
> housing.  I'm not referring to a mobile home, I'm referring to a 
> house that is built in a factory and then shipped to the site and 
> assembled together.  The finished house should look no different than a
> stick built house.
> 
> Information that I would like to get is
> 
> 	* Companies and/or factory that manufactures this type
> 	of house in the Southern Calif. area.
> 	* Industry Assn. and or books that I can call or look
> 	up to find companies that do this
> 	* Experiences that people have had in having a home
> 	built this way.
> 	* References that I should consult (articles, books, etc)

You will want to call or write to:

	Manufactured Housing Institute         
	1745 Jefferson Davis Highway
	Arlington VA 22202
	703-979-6620

It's a trade group, and can answer most of your questions.

------

Paul Havemann, VP        HSH Associates           (201)838-3330 | 1-800-UPDATES
      The Nation's Largest Publisher of Mortgage Information
Internet: paul@hsh.com   Compuserve: 70410,3507   America On-Line: HSH Assoc
From: shapiro@hydra.gmr.com (Vadim Shapiro CS50 CS/50)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: sanding old cabinets -- lead paint?
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:07:40 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

We are getting ready to put our old kitchen cabinets in a better
shape, which means sanding, filling, painting, etc.
I have no idea what paint they used to paint them before (but they 
have been painted a *long* time ago), and so I wonder:

(1) is there a problem with sanding the painted surfaces?

(2) if the paint does have lead, does the dust stay in the air for 
a while?  (We have a 7-year old, who can be removed from the premises
for a while ... but how long?)

Thanks.

-Vadim Shapiro
shapiro@gmr.com


Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu (Tony Konashenok)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Where to get lamination plastic?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:03:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu

What kind of plastic is used for lamination of ID's?
Where can I get it? Is it possible to use any kind of
film used for overhead transparencies?

Thanks,

-- 
Tony Konashenok   avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu   (510)843-5632 (home)
University of California, Berkeley                 (510)642-5831 (office)

Strauss research group, Latimer Hall, UC Berkeley, Berkeley CA 94720, U.S.A.
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Professional carpet cleaning or rental unit?
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:15:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

In article <ggawron.92.0@comm.mot.com> ggawron@comm.mot.com (Glenn Gawron)
writes:
>We recently closed on our first house and need to do some cleaning before 
>moving in.  The carpets are in good shape but the previous owner has a dog 
>and we would like to get the carpets cleaned.  I have a couple of questions 
>about this.
>1.  Is it better to rent a carpet "steam cleaner" from the local super market
>    or have a professional service come in and do it?  (Are cleaning fluids 
>    the same and is the equipment comparable?)  

We used a Rainbow vacuum cleaner + attachments. We are VERY pleased with the
results. This would be the same as a steam cleaner, but it uses only water and
a cleaner, not steam. The carpet feels better than the time Sears came out.
Also since I did it myself and its my house, I took more time and care.

>2.  If we have a professional do it then what questions should I ask 
>    potential services (cleaning fluids, suction equipment etc...)?

>3.  Should we go with the stain guard and other "extras"?

You can buy the stain guard at a carpet selling place. It costs about $40 for
enough to cover about 2000 Sq Ft. The profesionals use a pump up sprayer you
can buy at a local hardware store. Then they spray the carpet. Sounds like it
takes a lot of brains to do this. The better way would be to spray a small
section, brush the area to get complete coverage, and then vacuum the residue
when dry. The pros wont brush.

So I would do it yourself. It takes some time, a bit of cash, but the results
are the same, if not better. And consider cost. For our house about 2000 sf of
carpet, it would have cost only $75 to clean BUT $300 to protect it!!!!!
>
>Thanks for all your help in advance!!
>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|Glenn Gawron                          | Internet: ggawron@comm.mot.com|
>|Motorola Central Systems Engineering  |    X.400: C10836@email.mot.com|
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>



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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy)
Subject: Re: Junk mail with bills
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:08:55 GMT

In article <BzF2D6.JDA@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> brett@sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver) writes:
>Stan Horwitz (STAN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU) wrote:
>: Anyway, I just put this junk mail right back in the envelope with my payment.
>: I usually bury my check in the junk mail just to inconvenience the companies.
>
>Until the day your check gets lost in the junk and you end up missing a
>payment.  Even if you can convince them you really did send the check, you'll
>still have to clear things up.  A bit inconvenient.
>
>I don't like the just inserts either, but I want to make sure they get my
>payment.
>
>							Brett Carver
>							(707) 577-4344
>							brett@sr.hp.com

I've returned that junk for years and they somehow manage to find my
payments (it is in their own interest to do so, I guess!).  But if you
fear this problem, why not fold the check around all the junk (but not on
the bill itself, if it bears the address that must appear though a
window in the envelope) with the printed/written information on the
outside?  Should be pretty obvious to even the most boneheaded...

jmalloy@hamilton.edu
From: sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edie Jeffreys)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Help me stay warm and fuzzy--FLEECE!!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:44:44 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com


In article <1992Dec20.012203.222@news.columbia.edu>, dth2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David T Ho) writes:
>
>I want to purchase a fleece jacket to zip into my North Face shell.  I
>was considering between North Face and Patagoina.  Anyone have any
>input?  Thanks.
>
I love my Patagonia fleece jacket.  I fit right into my CGA gortex
jacket (color and size), and is very warm.


-- 
Edie Jeffreys            The fact is, no matter how closely I study it
SAS Institute, Inc.      No matter how I take it apart
SAS Circle, Cary, NC     No matter how i break it down
(919)677-8000 x6946      It remains consistent.  -- Belew
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: Levi Strauss DEFUNDS Boy Scouts
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:16:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>Call me cynical (ok, youre cynical :-) but it wouldn't also
>happen to be that Levi Strauss also USED to have the 
>concession to manufacture part of the boy scout uniform
>but recently lost that contract, would it?  Just wondering
>if there might be something beyond the covers ....

Is this something you know to be true or are you just casting aspersions
with no facts to support yourself?

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid.com)  |
D'Arcy Cain Consulting              |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada            |   like no government!
+1 416 424 2871          DoD#0082   |
From: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: JUNK MAIL WITH BILLS
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:30:52 GMT
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

From article <1992Dec21.210038.625@eng.umd.edu>, by georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark):
> 
> Someone who dislikes your attitude might purposely discard your check.
> Then on the next month's statement, you'd get an overdue penalty because 
> your account is deliquent. Granted, it's not your fault, but it's going
> to consume your uncompensated time to resolve the matter.

  Actually, I believe this happend to me once.  I inherited some oil 
  property in my folks estate, although by the time I got it, it's been
  split so many ways that I only get about $35 a year from it. Nontheless,
  Midland Co. Texas sends me a tax bill on it every year for $.15 (not
  a typo - that's 15 CENTS).  One time I wrote 'em a check and put in
  the memo line "DUMB 1987 TAXES" - the check was never cashed (and
  it never cleared).  I'm pretty sure someone in the tax office just
  threw it in the trash.

  So, what I do now is to make 'em send me three notices (original plus
  two past due) so they get to spend about a buck to get my $.15. 

  If it was me, I think I'd forgive any taxes less than $1.  But then,
  I'm not a bureaucracy...


- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300
From: lcc@po.CWRU.Edu (Lih C. Chen)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Sony Equipment (was Re: CD walkmans)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 08:50:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: lcc@po.CWRU.Edu (Lih C. Chen)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>In article <Bzy9pI.EEJ@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
>
>>Whether this is true or just utter bullshit I have no idea, but I
>>did notice an article in _Popular Science_ recently noting that Sony had
>>passed a milestone in laser technology, creating a narrower beam that
>>would allow something like 2-3 hours of music on one CD...as long as the
>>CD player was in a room about 150 degrees below zero.

Following this train of thought, I have a question for you technical
folx out there:  Is it implied, then, that playing 2-3 hours of music,
even when you have to go through 2 or 4 CDs to do that, at regular
room temperature is bad for your current CD player?

If so, just how much rest is needed for the laser between plays?  And
how longs should we limit those plays?  I use my Sony Discman (admittedly
a piece of shit D-34) for hours on end without any problems, but it's only
2 months old.  Is that bad?
-- 
I live my life like there's no tomorrow--DLR
                          If you got a blacklist, I want to be on it--BB
It is better to look good than to feel good--F
			  Let there be light--G
From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: OK..why shouldnt I get an extended car warranty?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:46:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Many thanks to all that responded!  What I decided to do was to take an
extra 2 yrs on the warranty.  It was a Ford ExtraCare warranty, backed by
Ford.  If it doesnt ever get used, I get all my money back (no, no interest).
I also used the net advice and negotiated the price in half.  Thanks again.

--Ken
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: long distance calling
Keywords: help
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:54:34 GMT

In article <Bzq3x5.A36@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> thomasl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl)) writes:
>Final exam question:
>
>thomasl@silver is about to begin phone service.  It is necessary to
>choose a long-distance carrier.  Which carrier is most recommended?
>(note: all answers must contain reasons for the selection.  reasons
>for deciding against a particular carrier are acceptable.  extra
>credit: mention any incentives or bonuses associated with each carrier)
>
>Good luck, thanks, and happy holidays.
>

It is not necessary to select a long distance carrier, but all of those
calls (inter-lata) will have to be made with the 10XXX selection code.

I have AT&T solely because it was the carrier by default prior to the
breakup and my long distance calls just don't justify switching to any
other one.  Now, if I had a choice in local service ... :-(

Dave

-- 
Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: ji0000m@medtronic.COM (James Imholte)
Subject: Re: Can one be denied insurance based on citizenship?
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:10:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.165252.14623@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>dhe@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Duanfeng He) wrote: 

>->In essence, the Suprime Court seems to be saying that although
>->you bought $x million health insurance, at the moment you found 
>->you need that much, or any other sizeable chunk, the insurance 
>->company can drop you.
>

>the ruling does not apparently affect those who purchase their health
>insurance directly from the insurer; it only affects those who get
>their insurance via their employer.
>

Take this one step further.  It is only Self-insured companies that can do
this.  Self insured companies use an insurance company as an Underwriter only.
The medical paperwork goes to the insurance company who in turn bill the 
company and keep a nominal fee or a contract price.  The problem then is that
your company basically IS the insurance company and from some cold, hard,
personal experience I have found that most all laws regarding employer 
sponsored health plans don't apply to Self-Insured companies.

It really does suck.  Fortunatly the potential cost of being self insured 
usually requires a large profitable corp.  And the cost is too prohibitive to
change plans everytime someone gets cancer or aids.  The problem is when like
the original example a small company became self insured then when someone got
aids (the medical costs would have put them out of business) the just changed
the rules.

There should be major limitations on who can be self-insured and the rules
reguarding them should give covered individuals the same protection they
would have if they had a contract with an Insurance company.

Regards - Jim IMHOlte


 


-- 
Jim Imholte		Phoenix Circuit Design		 Consultant
Medtronic/Micro-Rel
ji0000m@tmp.medtronic.com			(602)968-6411 x6620
From: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: electric razor experience
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:59:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


a couple months back I inquired about electric razors and got suggestions
for norelco, braun , and panasonic.  I decided to go with the norelco
805RX ($48 at wal-mart).  It seems to shave well , although I didn't think
it was close enough.  it operates quietly.  but alas, after only a month
and a half, one of the plates on one of the razors fell off!  although
I could have just glue it back on myself, I did not feel like a $50 item
should have that kind of quality so I returned the razor back.

Now I got a brand new Braun 2000 (2-position) ($47 at wal-mart).  It definitely
shaves closer than norelco, will work with or without the cord (norelco 805
only works cordless).  downside, it is VERY noisy and it feels like you are
holding a massager on your hand due to the strong vibrations. other advantages,
replacement blade is cheaper ($15 compared to $20 for norelco), more compact
in size, has autovolt feature (works anywhere from 12v-220v AC or DC).
I do like the pop-up trimmer of norelco better than braun, braun's trimmer is
too close to the foil and might catch your sideburns.  well, I'll just see
how long this thing last.


Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.japan
From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Cover Charge for Restaurant?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:08:30 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Dec19.080924.6804@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
|> Tonight I was out with friends and we wanted seating in the restaurant
|> area for dinner (fri night).  They wanted a $5 cover charge.  We refused
|> and left.  I'm thinking of not going back since as I pointed out to the
|> guy (who knows I am a regular) that there should be some reward for
|> customer loyalty, and he refused to listen.
|> 

|> 
|> What do people think?  I should mention that I rarely go out to niteclubs
|> but often to restaurants so from my perspective this was a case of a
|> restaurant charging a cover charge--a highly irregular practice.  But maybe
|> I'm not looking at it from their perspective.

A disgusting practice which needs to be stamped out !

Write a clear (and polite) letter to the management, explaining
that as a regular customer you find this change unwelcome.

Explain that the principal is unwelcome (if you think it is),
but that if in the judgment of the management it is REALLY needed,
then offer methods of making it more acceptable:

	- Cover charge receipt can be used towards the cost of a full meal.

	- Cover charge waived for regular customers.

	- Cover charge waived for advance bookings.

	- etc.

Unfortunately, they obviously think that they have more customers than
they can handle, and EXPECT some of them to go elsewhere - or maybe they
intend turning it into the sort of place that you wouldn't want to go
to anyway ? In these cases your best bet is to check out other restaurants.

Philip
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: Prodigy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:39:53 GMT

In <1992Dec22.91840.8153@ms.uky.edu> kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:

>alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik) writes:

>>I am really getting annoyed with all the "I've-never-tried-it-but-I
>>know-it's-BAAAAD" crap.  

>>You can get free trial kits from ANY current Prodigy member, including
>>myself, with no obligation.  It's a month free (almost*) unlimited usage.

>Okay, tell me where I can get one for my Commodore Amiga.


Ken,

As you may or may not know, Prodigy is only available on the PC or Mac.  Sorry
:-(

There's a solid reason WHY Prodigy needs such an extensive front end to work. 
Much of the processing is done on the user's PC, and much of the data is stored
on the user's hard drive as well, to speed things up.  And at 9600 baud
with a fast computer and video card, it IS VERY fast!

Sorry that it's not available on other computers.  Frankly, I don't think it
will ever be, because with IBM and MACS so dominant, there's no economic
incentive for Prodigy to expand to other platforms.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK
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