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From: eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Getting a dog (A sad story)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:07:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
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Reply-To: eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson)
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This is a sad story looking for a happy ending.  My sister in Maryland
recently adopted two sisters.  Two years previously she had adopted
their biological sister so now she has three sisters.  The older girls
have some emotional/developmental problems and my sister wanted to get
them a puppy so they would have something to love in their new home.
Since both my sister and her husband work and commute long hours I
managed to convince her that a puppy was probabely a bad idea and that
she should consider getting an older dog from a rescue organization.

My sister's house was robbed and she became even more convinced that
she wanted a dog.  The burglers stole a set of keys and came back
and robbed their house two more times before they figured out what
was going on and had the locks changed.  After that they got a three
year old Bassett Hound from the local rescue group.  The girls loved
the dog and all seemed well.  Then my brother-in-law left his jacket
in the car with the house keys in it by accident.  The burglers came
back, got the new keys and while everyone was gone from the house 
the burglers came back.  The dog, who was locked in the house, was
let out and was hit by a car.  Well all this is happening the two weeks
before Christmas and this little family has had about all it can take.
The rescue organization was very angry about the dog being killed and
let them know that they would never get another dog from them.  Now the
house has been rerekeyed and an alarm system has been put in, they are
again thinking of getting a dog.  Maybe a lab or golden as suggested by
the police.  

If anyone has any ***constructive*** advice on how they should proceed
in getting a new dog, or dogs they're thinking about getting another
bassett hound too, please let me know.

Thanks

Elizabeth
eufinlayson@lbl.gov
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Proposed Standard for Labradors
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:43:22 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <C0ptrx.4BM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
> 
> When too much emphasis is placed on only one aspect of the breed, everyone
> suffers.  Each dog should be evaluated on the OVERALL dog.  
> Then those dogs comming closest to the breed standard in all other areas
> should be placed higher than those that have some faults according to the
> standard.  
> 
> 

I agree.  In Irish Setters, though I don't have the revised standard here
with me, I believe the only disqualifications are for the presence
of black hairs and for an undershot bite.  In terms of questions
of size disqualifications or emphasizing one feature of the dog
(heads, for instance), the old standard, most of which was kept
intact - including this section - puts it well:

"There is no disqualification as to size.  The make and fit of
all parts and their overall BALANCE in the animal are rated
more important".....and later,

"The correct speciman always exhibits balance whether standing
or in motion.  Each part of the dog flows and fits smoothly into
its neighboring parts without calling attention to itself."


I would have to agree with Chris though, to some extent:  It 
would be nice if there was some way to make sure these dogs
can find a bird!  Lots of Irish Setter people seem to forget
that the first paragraph of the standard states:

"The Irish Setter is an active, aristocratic BIRD-DOG....
AFIELD he is a swift-moving hunter; at home, a sweet-
natured, trainable companion.  He is a rollicking 
personality." (I can certainly attest to this last part!)


Holly Kruse
University of Louisville
hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: FAQ sections missing from FTP server
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:18:10 GMT
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
NNTP-Posting-Host: bambam.u.washington.edu

I can't find the sections "new" and "references" on the ftp server at
pit-manager.mit.edu.  Does anybody have any idea what happened to it?
Could someone post or mail those sections to me?

Thanks.

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
iho@cac.washington.edu                  |
From: tims@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: GOLDEN RETRIEVERS
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:55:55 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <3830.248.uupcb@nitelog.com>, james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty)  writes:
> We are now the owners of a 9 week old female golden retriever. More
> my wifes' dog than mine.<g> This will be a house dog. Right now it
> is relatively well paper trained (thank goodness). We have finally
> gotten her settled down in the evening so that she doesn't cry very
> long. We get woken up about 5 am by her barking and whining. I hope
> that changes soon.
> 
> Some questions that I have are,
> 
> 1. As far as disciplining a dog. After you tell it "no" and it
> still persists in doing something wrong. What is the proper<?> way
> to strike the dog. With a newspaper/hand/?. I am of the view that
> dog should not be struck with the same hand that pets/praises it.
> But I am not sure about the newspaper. Any opinions?
> 
> 2. With a pup, how old should it be before you take it on a 1-2
> mile run? I understand working up to that just like a human.
> 
> 3. Is there anything special when it comes to goldens. This dog
> seems to have a good personality and always likes to be near my
> wife and I. She has a fondness for slippers/shoes. Not chewing but
> sticking her head in them. The dog must have a foot fetish.
> 
> 4. Is it normal for the dog to spend a lot of time sleeping?
> 
> 5. Someone made the comment that goldens' should have a companion
> dog because they do not do well alone. Has anyone ever heard that?
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> ---

* * * * *
The getting up early will slow down, although my 1 year-old golden still 
rises at about 6:30 a.m. every day unless we've been up late or went on a 
long late-night stroll.  The she sleeps in until about 8.  Maybe.

We tried all kinds of things with Ming, but she finally got the message 
when swatted with a rolled-up paper.  Not hard just enough for attention, 
then a stern scolding.  Goldens are smart - they know you are mad.  Then 
make her sit somewhere or "go lay down."

Ming went running/walking 1-2 miles and more after about 8 months.  Now, 
she can seem to want to go forever.

Ming has always slept a lot.  She doesn't sleep for 8 hours, then get up 
and go, more like lots of dog-naps.  Your dog is growng, too.

Goldens are real "people dogs."  They love to be near their people.  
Another dog wouldn't be bad, but give yours lots of love and let her be 
near you a lot and it'll be fine.

Hope This Helps!

TiM
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: A good book!
	<1993Jan7.162826.23226@newshost.lanl.gov>
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In <1993Jan7.172853.14826@inel.gov>, Kathryn L Cook writes:
>
>A long this same line, I read a book when I was about 8yo that I believe
>was called "CH Dog, Prince Tom".  It was about a Man named Tom who trains
>his Cocker (I think) who is named Prince Tom in obedience and field work.
>P. Tom goes on to win all sorts of OB and Field titles. Seems like it was
>loosely based on fact.  Has anyone ever read this book?
i have a copy somewhere. "champion dog, prince tom" by jean fritz and tom
(forget his last name).  based on fact, na dmy copy had a photo or two.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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From: smm1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (michelson,steven)
Subject: Re: How do you train a dog to "speak"?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:22:38 GMT

In article <C0E5Bt.HCz@hsi.com> hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) writes:
>
>P.S.  If there are any other neat tricks that you can think of, that would
>      be great too.

When I point my finger (like a gun) at my Dachshund, Chillie, and yell
"bang!" she immediately rolls over onto her back, and remains that way
until I say "okay." When I wave my hand at her and say "bye bye" she (sort of)
waves back. We're still working on that one.


-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Michelson                |  A dog teaches a boy three important life
Bell Communications Research   |  lessons: be loyal, be obedient, and rotate 
smm1@cc.bellcore.com           |  three times before you lie down. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: Dogs & Chromium (was Re: Large Breeds Showing Age)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:47:36 GMT

In article <1ic6nbINNi5g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor) writes:
>                          <some text deleted>
>Our golden, Minnie, just turned 2 (yrs) and we have had her for a year now. (I
>adopted her from GRREAT, i.e., Golden Retriever Rescue Education and Training)
>I noticed this fall that her nose color changed from black to a pinkish-brown.
>I am not giving chromium (atleast I am not aware of giving it) or any medication.
>I did change her food from Science Diet (SD) maintenence to SD light. Does anyone
>have any idea why this happened?

	It is common for dogs noses to turn from black to brown or from brown
to pinkish in the wintertime. Usually, this doesn't happen during their first
winter (when they are still a puppy), but can be noticed during their second
winter. For breeds (like goldens) which are supposed to have black pigmentation,
the ideal case is that the nose will stay dark all year round. However, this
is just a cosmetic problem (at least in goldens) and although it can hurt their
chances of winning in the breed ring, it is not an indication of a health
problem. Often, the nose will turn dark again in the springtime.
	I've heard that feeding kelp can help to keep their noses dark, but I
haven't had any luck with this myself.

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
********************************************************************************
	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
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From: moreland@conan.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Moreland)
Subject: Re: HELP! My dog is marking the whole house!!!
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:50:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.210223.16957@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>My Cairn terrier is turning two this month. He was paper-trained when
>he was three months old.  We had to paper-train him because we are out
>10 hours a day, and had to keep him in the basement (with my bouvier).
>
>He used to be well behaved, until he started to lift leg a few months
>ago. We started to find wet spots at a couple corners in the house, but we

Your Cairn Terrier sounds like my Shih-Tzu 3 years ago.  My dog marked 
the whole house, on all sides of the couch, on the bed, etc.  The vet
said that this was caused by the new puppy and that neutering would 
stop this behavior.  I wasn't so sure because he started to do it before
the new puppy (roommates's new puppy), but I got him neutered anyway.
This behavior stopped but we also moved, and changed boyfriends.

Looking back now I'm convinced that my dog hated the guy that I was 
seeing, because the only places that he would pee and poop on was 
where the guy sat or laid on, or touched!  :-)
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Re: Too much praise?!?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:22:16 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
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In article <1993Jan11.175358.9017@pixel.kodak.com> morss@ssd.kodak.com (Charlie Morss) writes:
>I'd like to thank everyone for there ideas about "too much praise".
>My wife and I have come to an agreement that we will eliminate
>the phase "Good Dog" and "Good Puppy" from our every day "conversations"
>with our dog. 

Another alternative (which I think is easier) is to use a different
word for your praise word.  You can use any other word(s) you want, and
keep "good dog" for "I love you" or whatever.

At our house "ready" means "you are doing JUST the right thing!"....
From: bigrasl@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Electronic collar info needed
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:19:53 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

I would very much like information on electronic collars.  
How to use them, good collars vs bad ones, prices, where they can be 
obtained etc.  Please tell all.  I have been told that they are not sold
in Canada.  Can they be imported?
I have a very dominant male dog who has decided it is fun to chase my horse
and electronic collar  is one  method I am considering to be used in his
training to try and stop his chasing.  
Any help in this would be greatly apppreciated.
	Lydia & Indy (Sir Trouble)
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:47:37 GMT
Subject: Re: attack vs protection (was Re: Goldens as protection?)
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I have a funny story... I was visiting my folks when they bought a "bark
breaker" product that emits an unpleasant noise when their dogs bark.  It wa
was the 4th of July.  The product seems to work well.  They stopped barking
right away (they used to bark at every little thing that walked down the
street).  

Well that night, burglers came down the street and broke into my car and
my husband's car, and some of the neighbor's cars.

The dogs were absolutely quiet the whole time.  How's THAT for revenge?

Diane

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From: Terri_Watson@cs.cmu.edu (Elfling)
Subject: Re: Mutts
Organization: Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:40:46 GMT

In article <ll40glINNstp@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> paular@kubiki.Eng.Sun.COM (Paul Arthur) writes:

   forwards a FOCUS flyer (that's Friends of the Oakland City Animal Shelter) listing
   available dogs at the pound from "purebreds" to "dogs with diverse genetic pools"...

My office mate responded to this with: "You could also call them
ethnically-free dogs."  I like it.

.Terri
Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:15816 news.answers:5004
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I must warn you of a pattern of crimes happening that could endanger your
dog.  Before I say this, let me state that I support many animal-rights views,
but as most of you know, the animal activist community is divided on a number
of issues.  Some people believe, for example, that ever crating a dog is unfair
to the dog and that dogs should be allowed to roam free, and not be our "slaves"

I do not agree with this view.  Having said that, you should know that some
people are taking what is in my opinion a radical stand on this issue and are
going up to dogs in crates at dogs shows, and smearing antifreeze or other
poison on the bars.  The dog licks it off, and dies.  The people who do this
have contacted radio stations and have said that their behavior is justified
in that the animal is better off dead than enslaved.  

This weekend, my obedience instructor alerted all her classes to this problem.
The bottom line is, please do not leave your dogs unattended in a situation
where this could happen to them.  It would only take a moment for someone to
do this.  

Needless to say, I abhor such behavior and dread even having to alert the rest
of you to this danger.                    

Diane
From: garyc@vballdude.EBay.Sun.COM (Gary Carino - Osmotic Volleyball)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Goldens as protection?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:15:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson) emerged from the Cave of Doom, carrying the holy scrolls <1ife6dINN2sq@overload.lbl.gov> in hand and spoke thusly:

>again thinking of getting a dog.  Maybe a lab or golden as suggested by
>the police.  
>

I have an 8-month-old golden, Summer.  I didn't get her as a protector/alarm
dog, and after seeing her behavior I am somewhat surprised by this statement.

Summer *loves* *everybody*.  Without fail.  At first I thought, it must be
that whenever we take Summer to meet someone we feel good about them so she
gets the idea that it's okay.  My wife told me of an incident with a door-to-
door sales critter who basically let himself inside.  No force, just slick
sales tactics, quick movements and viola!, he's in the house.  My wife tells
me she was fairly distressed that he was actually in the house *and* that
Summer was just so doggone happy to see him.

Like I said, I never intended Summer to be more than a companion.  But I'm
curious to know if this sort of friendliness will die down or (ha!) fade 
away completely.

thanks,

gary

BTW - the only person she's ever growled at was, you guessed it, my wife.
      Chris was out in the rain, wearing an afghan like a poncho and pointing
      a flashlight at the dog.  After assuring Summer that it was indeed just
      mom, I thought about it from her point of view.  Conclusion:  I probably
      would have growled and barked too.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:00:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.151636.16297@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <C0I99s.H9w@austin.ibm.com> repass@austin.ibm.com (Jim Repass) writes:
>=
>= As a responsible Newfoundland breeder I only guarantee puppies to be free
>= from crippling hip displaysia for 1 year. Crippling means that the dog can't
>= function. The OFA certification at 2 years is NOT part of the guarantee.
>= The dog can fail the OFA and still be a happy, functioning animal. Of course,
>= we don't breed dogs that don't get their OFA. To my knowledge, no one
>= guarantees their puppies to be FREE from hip displaysia.
>
>I did.
>
			     <lots of text deleted>

	I do too. I guarantee that all my puppies will be free of genetic
diseases which effect their suitability as a pet for 2 years. I specifically
mention crippling hip dysplasia in my guarantee. In such cases, a replacement
puppy will be given. In my show contract, I guarantee that the dog will
be able to get an OFA number. If the dog can't be certified free of CHD by OFA,
then I will refund the difference between the prices for show and pet puppies.


>
>Frankly, I'm not convinced that such guarantees mean much to the
>average buyer for by the time CHD becomes evident (in all but the
>worst cases) the owner is so attached to the dog that they are
>unlikely to part with it.  A potential breeder is, I think, more
>likely to exercize such a guarantee--at least a responsible breeder.
>
	I agree with Charlie. But I would personally feel better about a
buying a puppy from a breeder who is willing to guarantee their puppies. This
is just a personal opinion, of course, because sometimes these guarantees aren't
worth anymore that the paper they're written on if the breeder refuses to
follow them when a "problem" arises. I once had a breeder "ignore" my request
for a partial refund for a golden who had juvenile cataracts. However, since
the breeder lived out of state, there really wasn't a lot that I could do.

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
********************************************************************************
	       The above opinions are not those of my employer.
********************************************************************************
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: West Highland Terriers & Snow
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:34:20 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

Re: Westies & Snow

My girlfriend, Ann, has a West Highland Terrier and wants to know if
anyone out there knows how to keep snow from clinging to the fur around
her pet's feet.  When we take the dog for a walk in the snow - and
we've had lots of snow recently, even here on balmy Vancouver Island -
the dog gets hopelessly weighed down by wet heavy snow.  Any ideas?

We're new to the Internet world and Ann would welcome any contacts
from fellow/sister Westie folks.  You can reach her via me.-- 

***********************************************************************
Patrick A. Dunae
History Department                    Phone:  (604) 753-3245 (loc 2130)
Malaspina University College          FAX:    (604) 741-2667
Nanaimo, B.C., Canada V9R 5S5         INTERNET:  dunae@mala.bc.ca 
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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Catching-up!!
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:18:56 GMT


I'm back from Christmas break and I'm working on catching up on all these posts I've missed.
I do have quite a bit of mail and I will get back to you each as soon as possible.
Mauii, Wolfie, and Juilee send their collie kisses to everyone out there.

------------
Marla Belzowski  saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  (Yes sometimes it doesn't work with strange
						servers  :)  )

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From: mayor@virga.larc.nasa.gov (Shalini Mayor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: What Breed is this?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:19:37 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
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In article <1ii699INN625@eagle.natinst.com>, jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz) writes:
             <stuff deleted>
|> 
|> The one trait I'd love to know where she gets, though, comes out
|> during rough play.  The hair on her back (mostly neck and shoulders)
|> stands straight up, like a cat!  My folks are here visiting and are
|> swearing up and down that she *must* have coyote in her!  I'd love
|> to have some other options available for them to think about....
|> 
|> So, what breeds have hair that raises like a cat's (or a coyote's :)?
|> 
|> email is preferred.  my news may expire too quickly....  thanks!
|> 
|> -jenn
|> 

I have a 2 yr old golden whose hair around the neck and shoulders stands up when she sees or hears something out of the ordinary (or when she gets scared - like
when my sister-in-law had just steamed her face and decided to walk around the house with her face covered by a towel!!) She also does that when playing with other dogs. (and she IS playing not fighting) I am not sure if all goldens do that - I have seen quite a few dogs do that though. (there may be more coyotes out there than we know ;-)  )


Shalini