HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: raising children
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:52:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.233938.52596@gmuvax.gmu.edu> sparker@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
[various discussion of single-parent families deleted for clearer
flaming]

>Hmmm.  Maybe you people need to see it in another perspective. 
>The children that frequent my convenience store are mostly
>fatherless ones.  They were raised by black mothers who had a father
>figure in the house often.. The problem is, most of them don't 
>stick around long enough to learn the kids names.
>
>So these little brats come into my store, with their chip on their
>shoulder, and try to buy cigarettes.  The law in 
>Virginia states that one must be 18 to purchase tobacco products.
>When you ask these little lovelies  for their I.D., you are told, 
>immediately, to fuck off. 
>  If they had any respect for their elders, they would act like 
>humans instead if animals. 

What the hell?  If you have problems with their manners, try to teach
them something.  Calling them animals isn't going to fix anything.
And what makes you think that having a man constantly around the house
would make them any more polite?  Someone to beat them if they cross
over your invisible boundaries?

Maybe their elders don't deserve their respect.  Maybe you don't.

>This, you see, is the result of single parent homes.

Pllllbbbbffftttt!, as Opus would say.

You are scary.

>SPARKER@GMUVAX.GMU.EDU

 - Kateri
(apologies for this discussion wandering so off-topic...feel free to
continue in e-mail if you wish)

-- 
More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads.  One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness.  The other to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
						 - Woody Allen
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.222037.26345@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.111201.10895@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>
>>Gads, sleeping at night?  Arriving at work in the morning?  Staying all
>>day whether you feel like it or not?  It's so easy to forget that there
>>are people out there who have to put up with this sort of thing.  Well,
>>you've got my sympathies--I can imagine putting up with conditions like
>>that for a few days, but as a lifestile choice?  <shudder>
>
>Well, I tried founding a company; it lasted long enough to go public,
>but sort of fizzled after that.  Therefore, I have to work for a
>living.

Well, in case it makes you feel better, the same thing happened to my
first company.  (And, for that matter, to the sixth company I started.)
It's kinda like building a castle on a swamp.

Trygve    (Now, where is that woman with the huge tracts of land?)
From: jlamb@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Richard Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Something that's NOT attractive. . . .
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:36:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.By6p4o.InB
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



I know the ONE thing that completly turns me away from a woman is
smoking.I can't help it, it just drives up the wall. Anyone else
have things that are definate no-no's in a potential romance?


-- 
H. Ross Perot | "How do you always manage to    | Jeff R. Lamb
for President | decide?" 			| Midnight Arrow
of the United | "How do you let others decide   | Champion of Reality
States in '96 | for you?"	   -Ayn Rand 	| (jlamb@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu)
From: tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Are you a Young Transplant?
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:41:23 GMT
Reply-To: tps@jptcs.com
Organization: JPT Computer Solutions, Port Jeff Station, NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Sandra Loosemore (loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
: I'd say this problem affects the not-so-young transplants as well as
: the young ones.
: 
: I think it depends a lot on where you end up.  After I left grad school
: I lived in the Boston area for a while, and found there were always things
: to do where I was meeting other singles -- for example, I signed up for
: some fun classes at the Boston Center for Adult Education.  But here
: in New Haven, it's been tougher.  The city itself is pretty dead, and
: while Yale offers a lot of performing arts stuff that's not really the
: sort of activity where you can make new friends easily.

Ah HA! New Haven! You see, you are an 8 dollar ferry ride into Port Jefferson
to meet all the Fun Single Guys living out on the Island! Right Gary?

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer
JPT Computer Solutions - SCO Sales/Consulting/Administration and Mangling
Port Jefferson Station, NY
(516) 331-9001
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From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Subject: Re: Philly Boink Report
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.022125.23747@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bathsheba.Grossman@launchpad.unc.edu (Bathsheba Grossman) writes:

>Also it was interesting being felt up by so many old men.
That's half the point of these things.

>The party on Saturday went excellently: we had Al's deservedly famous
>pizza and good beer and fudge and bananas and chocolate fondue and
>expensive candy.  The brouhaha was mainly in my studio and people adored
>the work embarrassingly much (dissenters keep quiet - I'm
>maintaining a high-powered artistic ego here, and it's worse than
>keeping up a Lotus).  
Who could dissent? There were some extraordinary forms taking shape
there!

>brought a DAT deck and the Cap'n brought a pen-laser.  There was a
>high-stakes, hard-liquor poker game with a $50 buy-in and a wimpy one for
>a tenth of that; 
Actually it was 1/25th of that. Piglet took home the bacon here.

>Mark Israel looks like someone with a lifelong deficiency in some
>crucial vitamin, but isn't bad to talk to once you get him alone.
I wonder what vitamin deficiency makes one 6' 2". If we can identify
that maybe we'll be able to throw the high heels away for good!

>Altogether a worthwhile event.  Particularly I nudge girl lurkers to show
>up to these things - truly a smorgasbord of delights potential,
>beneficial, baneful, and babelicious.  Woo woo, wink wink, and here I
>leave you.

Thank you for the most fun I've had in a long time. You and Liz did a
wonderful job.

Chris

-- 
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Biochemistry Dept., Box 440                     /o           `   Favourite
UVa Health Sciences Ctr,                       (_,           7   Marsupial
Charlottesville, Va 22908   (804)924-8210         \>~~~~~~z7
From: pooh@Apple.COM (Pooh)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:58:04 GMT
Organization: Internet Refugee Camp

In the referenced article, cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington) writes:
>Huh? High heels are the female equivalent of ties on men: pointless,
>uncomfortable adornment, to be worn only when the situation demands it
>(ie when people will get really offended if you don't). 

I beg to differ.  I have never known someone to get offended if
a woman doesn't wear high heels.  A tie is much more symbolic of
formality.

Then again, I wore a tie for as long as four months (can you
say "South African school uniform?" I knew you could), and
never twisted my ankle while doing so.

Pooh
	pooh@apple.com
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.151342.47137@watson.ibm.com>
jennings@tran.fishkill.ibm.com () writes:
>In article <98436@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren
>L. Crawford) writes:
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I've seen adorable men in ties and suits, and
>> adorable men in sweatshirts and jeans.  I haven't seen an adorable man in
>> a Cure T-shirt yet, though.
                  ^^^

>Lauren, what kind of crack is that????? I wear a suit and tie to work,
>sometimes sweatshirts and jeans after, and yes, sometimes my cure
>t-shirts. The Cure draws a wide range of fans, from various walks of
>life. They are a great band, as are a lot of alternative groups. Keep an
>open mind!!!!!		

What isn't open-minded about noticing that you haven't observed
something yet?  It isn't at all like saying that you don't believe it
can exist.

After all, I haven't been to a boink yet, but I certainly believe they
exist (otherwise this might prove a totally wasted weekend).

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com


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From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Re: Question: How to increase the male sex
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:47:47 GMT

In article 18322@fid.morgan.com, sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>In article <74522@apple.apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>
>>I understand that extensive aerobic exercise in general (not just the 
>>circulation-limiting kind) decreases sex drive.
>
>Speak for yourself.
>
>Unless you define "extensive" to be >> 2 hours on a Stairmaster (pulse
>exceeding 100% of what the stupid formula says should be my maximum),
>I find it increases my sex drive.

I used to run. My sex drive increased proportionally to 
the number of miles covered. Is this different for women?

dreas
From: rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Salmon (Re: PRES DEBATE)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:43:34 -0700
Reply-To: wildrose!rkf@infoserv.com
Organization: Wild Rose Refugee Camp

kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>>Oh, whups - why on earth assume that the only way to get salmon back
>>in the Pacific north west is to tear down the Hydro dams?  

>Because 40 years of environmental research says so?  (read _Cadillac Desert_)

>Even in the rivers with fish ladders, the salmon population is dropping.
>The reason that "the only way to get salmon back..." is because fish
>can't climb stairs, and they MUST get back to their home streams to
>spawn.  This became a big issue recently with an attempt to list some
>types as endangered.

_Cadillac Desert_, good reference.  But the current thinking here is
that for the Idaho sockeye salmon (Columbia river), the biggest problem
might not be the return up the fish ladders, but that the young salmon don't
migrate downstream through the enormous slack waters of the impoundments.
That is, the downstream mortality is more serious.  It also has the 
convenient property that it can be solved by radically decreasing
the amount of stored water (thus increasing the flow rate).  Some
local acquaintances are seriously pursuing the concept of building
tunnels/culverts in the reservoirs to flush the little ones downstream.

ObSingles: What would you do if you were the last member of your
sex returning to the traditional spawning grounds. And how
important is 'attractive'?  Talk about performance anxiety, heh!

-- 
-- Ray

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: nkill
Organization: Netcom - San Jose, CA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.021554.28446@adobe.com> mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>Suppose we have the following situation. In 1990, employee A who is
>female, is not given promotion, which is instead given to employee B,
>a male who was much less qualified than A. Despite this clear-case of
>sex discrimination, A stays with the company. In 1992, the same
>position becomes available again. However, this time, employee C, a
>male who is much more qualified than A is also in the running for the
>promotion. Should A be granted preferential treatment and be given the
>promotion over C (who is better qualified) because of the
>discrimination against her in the past?
>

     No.  C should be promoted because C is better qualified.  A should
have filed suit, gone to A's manager's boss or looked for other work
within or outside of the company to rectify A's situation.

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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: nkill
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:20:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.015903.10936@adobe.com> mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.222507.26632@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.021554.28446@adobe.com> mmwang@adobe.com
>>(Michael Wang) writes:

[The story so far: A was discriminated against earlier.  C is more
qualified than A.]

>>A can be compensated by the company for the discrimination.  Why
>>should C suffer because somebody else discriminated?
>>
>>More importantly, suppose they now grant the preferential treatment to
>>A.  C has now been a victim of discrimination; in 1994, the position
>>opens up again and now D is more qualified.  Should C get it anyway?
>>When does this end?
>
>But what if A really wants the promotion because of the new and
>interesting challenges that it presents, etc., etc?

Oh, well, that's different then.  If A "really wants the promotion"
then A should get it, even though C is more qualified.  (Does anybody
really believe this drivel?)

> Suing for monetary
>compensation only would not give her the job that she wants. Without
>the promotion, she may never be able to climb further up the corporate
>ladder.

Why should she be able to climb further up the corporate ladder, since
C is more qualified to do so?

> Also, is it simply enough to use money to redress past
>discrimination considering the fact that it is often very difficult to
>prove?

What does the difficulty of proof have to do with the correct redress?
I never said that money is the only manner of redress; what I said is
that C should not now be discriminated against because X discriminated
against A in the past.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: gembura@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jerry Robert Gembura)
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:58:02 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 08:01:51 GMT

In article 74344@apple.apple.COM, stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:
>
>>   Sandra Loosemore (loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
>>   : I also consider wearing a suit and/or tie to be a bad sign (conformity).
>
>>Ugh.  That stereotype again.
>>The fact is that at least in the business I'm in (I write software for
>>an investment bank) either you wear the uniform of a suit and tie or
>>you don't work there.  <justification deleted>
>
>Sure sounds like conformity to me (conformity is doing what everyone
>else does because you feel you must to be accepted). However, just because 
>someone conforms in one area of his life doesn't mean that he conforms in 
>other areas. 

Non-conformity is the only policy.

>--
>Stef                  I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit 
>stef@apple.com        this year's fashions.            -- Lillian Hellman

dreas                  Feeling the Earth shake...Try to walk,
                       Losing your reason...Try to talk,
                       All is lost now, It seems that way.   --Curved Air
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Suggestions needed....
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.080425.19672@rdg.dec.com>
veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV) writes:

>I'd like your opinions, folks... this is a difficult situation for me and 
>I'm somewhat at a loss about where to go from here.

>My very best friend in the world is a 21 year old male.  I've never been so 
>close (emotionally) as I am with him (not even with my ex).  I can honestly
>say he is the only male that I trust implicitly never to brutalise me or
>humiliate me the way my ex-husband did.  He has always treated me with
>kindness, love, respect and tenderness. 
.
.
.

>Maybe I'm just completely stupid in hoping that some day he'll get over the 
>marriage/kid thing and will be able to love me fully...

>How do you stop loving someone you see almost every day and who hasn't done 
>anything wrong?????

>Suggestions?  Opinions?  Should I take a long walk off a short pier?  
>Should I follow my heart and keep hoping that something will change and bring
>us together?

Why does the phrase "nice guy" come to mind?

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: ron@turing.toronto.edu (Ron Wessels)
Subject: Re: Are you a Young Transplant?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:53:51 GMT

dhardin@spcink.bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>I'm just threatening you with physical violence if I'm not happy.
>I do that a lot; it seems to work well.

Oh Mysti ... are you listening?

-- 
Ron Wessels		University of Toronto		ron@turing.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: girl/lady/female boy/guy/male
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:52:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <lggb1iINNe6m@news.bbn.com> pdsmith@spca.bbn.com (Peter D. Smith) writes:
>>   >|> Better than dating a sculpture...
>>You don't want to be accused of statuary rape.
>Which, alas! happens all the time in Marblehead.

This is getting rocky, but a word of warning: Don't get too stoned, otherwise
you might start taking them for granite. Talc to your partner about it. The
same thing can happen if your plastered. And be careful about sex with miners,
could get you hard time. 
A final gem of advice from an old fossil: Persue your quarry with care. Treat
them like a jewel, and a metamorphic change may take place.
Just a chip off the ol' block-
r.
(still can't find a way of getting 'igneous' into a pun :)
From: diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:04:06 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <lh1stdINN3gt@news.bbn.com> kgorman@bbn.com (Karen Gorman) writes:
>In article <7260@news.duke.edu>, diamond@acpub.duke.edu (Elizabeth Abrams)
>writes:
>
>During this introduction, do you state clearly that you prefer to be
>addressed as Elizabeth or Beth, or whatever you wished to be addressed as
>(since there are so many nicknames/variations on the name Elizabeth and 
>Robert too)?

Not as such... but since I've just *introduced* myself as Elizabeth,
it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that I want to be
*called* Elizabeth.  If I wanted to be called Liz, I'd say, "Hi, I'm
Liz Abrams."  Or "Hi, I'm Elizabeth Abrams.  Please call me Liz."
If someone is "just trying to be friendly", why not ask me if I
like to have my name shortened, and what I like to have it shortened
to?  I'm a lot more impressed by friendliness when it shows some
consideration.  Calling me "Liz" without asking sounds like phony
familiarity... anyone unfamiliar enough with me to call me "Liz"
isn't familiar enough with me to shorten my name in the first place.

			--Diamond

diamond@acpub.duke.edu |   The soul may choose its own society and shut
Elizabeth S. Abrams    |   the door, but the body gets thrown into bed
		       |   with the damnedest people.  --Peter Beagle
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: What is attractive to women?
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:39:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.204331.17994@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>Try wearing your "Cure" t-shirt to work some time with the
>worn-through-at-the-knees blue jeans and see how long you stay at your
>RealWorld job, assuming that they hire you in the first place.

	Keep telling yourself that, monkey-boy, and maybe the noose
around your neck will rankle less. The monkey suits are the uniform
of the salesdroids and administrators; I think of it as their punishment
for leading a fundamentally useless existence :-).

>Sometimes you have to play by the rules during the day for appearances,
>also if you wish to command any kind of respect from your older
>co-workers who are busy talking about the state of property taxes and
>prime lending rates.

	I'd have to respect people like that before I desired their
respect in return.

>Being a young professional that works with older
>folks means that you can't do just whatever you want to do all of the
>time.

	"Older folks"? GMAFB. Us boomers were the ones who brought faded
denim out of the farms and factories, and into fashion.

>Wearing a tie dosen't necessarily make you a ... oh MY
>GOD!..."conformist"!

	True. It makes you a Yuppie. The problem with Yups ain't that
they've sold out; sometimes that's necessary. The problem is that they
sold out too young, and usually too cheap. Keep your pottage.

						Kayembee
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From: ron@turing.toronto.edu (Ron Wessels)
Subject: Re: net.hugs?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:33:07 GMT

dhardin@spcink.bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In that case, cross-posting to soc.singles is probably a *BIG* mistake.
>We're not very safe.

You mean you don't practice safe Usenet?!!  Just because it's sold as a
"dust cover" doesn't mean there aren't other uses.  But make sure it's
latex, to keep the bugs and viruses out.

-- 
Ron Wessels		University of Toronto		ron@turing.toronto.edu
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