HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: slxlb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Interest
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:39:10 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I have for a time been interested in the religion of Wicca, but have found it
difficult to find real living people (as opposed to books) to help me learn. 
This newsgroup seems to be the place to ask for my desired help.  If anyone
wants to teach me more about this religion, please contact me.  My VAX address
is SLXLB.
						Thank You.
						Jim

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology,talk.bizarre
From: pfinerty@nyx.cs.du.edu (fun fun fun boy)
Subject: Re: What is a Bigfootb?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:51:39 GMT

In article <74267@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folk: I must at this time be candid, honest and true. A Bigfootb 
>is Bigfoot with a mistake of putting an extra be on the end. There I 
>said it and I feel better for the telling of truth.
>John Winston.

John, it's always good to get these things off your chest isn't it? i know
i felt better when i told everyone i was really a man dressing as a woman
who wants to be a man. and now i'v told all of you too. what a relief...
--
i sure wish i didn't have to print out every posting and read them by
brail. ascii just doesn't seem the same as when i could see.
			PJF--->Biochem. grad student
			      PUBLIC ENEMY #1
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley)
Subject: Re: How To Contact Good Type UFO.
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:22:39 GMT

In article <C1JBo0.4Ep@mach1.wlu.ca> kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U) writes:
>: JW So there you have it folks. There's more to come on this later. Stay tuned.
>: Source of Information:January 26, 1993 Examiner. page 4.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Sorry john, no offense intended, but I (and many others, I might add) just
>don't take tabloids for an ounce of truth.  Is there any better proof, other
>than the supermarket tabloid?  Have there been any serious books on it?  Not
>flaming here, just curious...I'm sure most would agree that a tabloid paper
>isn't world-renouned for accuracy, much less truth.
>-- 

That reminds me of a continuing disussion we had with a scientist (well,
that's what he called himself) who tended to buy whole hog, all the 
weird stories....UFO's...men in black...crop circles...alien abductions...
brain implants...etc.  He kept quoting from his favorite book on the
subject(s).  Someone finally got a hold of the book and in the footnotes
the sources turned out to be things like The National Enquirer.
From: richa@grizzly.CNA.TEK.COM (Grizzly Amber)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: RA: Earth changes Den
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:27:23 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.


The density pertains to that portion of space that we have just entered.
Density here does not refer to molecular density as in physics, but to
a level of the eternal wheel we repeat every so many thousands of years
(1st Density, 2nd... etc.). The 4th Density is the last cycle before we
repeat the 1st. To survive, we must raise our personal vibrations to a
level that is sufficiently beyond what our current physical/spiritual
state is. Those who are not ready for 4th Density will reincarnate on
another planet elsewhere in the galaxy that is still in 3rd Density.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:46:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Please don't hold me responsible for what my computer 
says after I quite typing.
John Winston
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.good.news
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:08:29 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <728034042snx@warren.demon.co.uk> bigfootf@warren.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <73988@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Dear Folks: All is well in California.
>>John Winston.
>
>That *is* good news!

Don't believe it for a second.

--
Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:04:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.225619.23518@newshost.lanl.gov> jlg@sahara.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:

(Much deleted)

>To say that a show is relatively interesting (compared to other TV
>fare) and even to say that it's relatively intelligent (compared to
>other TV fare) is not really saying much.  Stat Trek is *entertaining*.
>It needn't be intellectually sophisticated for that.

>-- 
>J. Giles

In some ways your comments (see old posting if you want to look at them) 
help prove my point.  TV cannot (except some PBS episodes -- by the way, I 
recommend The DAy the Universe Changed, a PBS series on science by James 
Burke) cover these topics with depth.  But TV can open people's minds to 
talk about them.  In the gender show, one could say that the use of another 
race (see, the topic aliens comes up here!) is a device to get people 
watching to question their views on such issues as homosexuality or sexism.  
The nature of the "solution" in this case also left the question open.  
Obviously, these shows don't offer teach-ins on the issue.  They START 
discussion (as your post and this debate helps prove), and for people who 
don't have the inclination to think about these things, they might by use of 
drama start opening minds.
    As regards your other post about time.  You too gibly throw off the idea 
of thinking about time dimensionally, and the fact that our linear 
experience of it may simply be a psychological convention.  The message 
there was that linear experience of time in terms of actions may hide the 
fact that our existence may transcend linear time.  The fact that the aliens 
had to be shown to conduct the interview in an ordered process is an obvious 
necessity due to the fact that we live in a dimension where we experience 
time linearly.  There is no way humanly possible to show that sort of thing 
without adhering to the conventions of our state of existence.  If ideas 
about the dimensionality and perhaps unity of time want to be discussed by 
more than just a few, drama will have to use those conventions to try to get 
people to start thinking beyond what they normally experience.  Open minded 
people can do that, and drama can be an emotional aid to logic and reason in 
opening those avenues of thought.
     For those doubting the validity of 
this post to those topics: for sci.skeptic, talk about time and 
dimensionality is definitely appropriate to the subject matter.  For the 
other cross posts: talk.religion.newage: thinking of time in this manner 
opens up a place for spirit in a manner not thought of before.  For alt.
alien.visitors: such a title is so eclectic that almost anything is postable.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:45:01 GMT

In article <C1G48o.BnE@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>In article <74332@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>1>+F     
>>!Subject: UFO Fix. 
>>  Are you not feeling well? Do you have the jake-leg, hammer toes or piles?  
>>Well then all you have to do is go and jump on a flying saucer and they will 
>>fix you up good. 
>
>John, one can't say you don't have a great sense of humor.
>
>>hen he stumbled into a rocky ravine, but his life was saveFwF
>>BAmTWKP
>>^N/O3	,.T [...]
>>0Roman 10cpi UFO hadn't come along when it did. Yes I was scared."
>>   "But those guys took good care of me. I never felt
>
>John, one can't say you told your wordprocessor "Save As ASCII."  You're
>the only person on the net ever to mention the Roman 10cpi UFO!
 
It is true that most prefer Helvetica, or Times-Roman. Twelve points for
readability.

 					-- K.
>					Word processors are like
>					food processors.  Me, I'm
>					a Kibology processor.


Rich

payner@netcom.com


Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:50:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.194610.15732@newshost.lanl.gov>, jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes in part:
|> In article <74195@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> |> [...]
|> |>   There  are many things that still have never been explained and people just 
|> |> continue to sweep them under the rug.  [...]
|> |> [...]                               One of them is spontaneous human 
|> |> combustion. If you ever figure out what causes that one let me know.

|> You can't study something whose very existence
|> you can't even verify.

Well, actually folklorists do it all the time.  And the analogy is
HIGHLY relevant:  folk beliefs and stories have meanings, purposes,
and existance that has nothing at all to do with claims of "scientific"
or "rational" existence.  

Persistent claims of paranormal phenomena, such as, SHC, and persistent 
claims that these wonders are "being swept under the rug" DEFINITELY
mean SOMETHING.   I hestiate to theorize exactly what these beliefs
might mean, but I do not think they are necessarily claims about either
science or "reality".

Anyway, these claims CAN be studied, at least if you treat them as
folk traditions and act accordingly.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan25.194610.15732@newshost.lanl.gov>, jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:
|> In article <74195@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> |> [...]
|> |>   There  are many things that still have never been explained and people just 
|> |> continue to sweep them under the rug.  [...]
|> 
|> To conclude that there is not adequate evidence upon which to base
|> any conclusions is *not* the same as to "sweep them under the rug."
|> For most paranormal subjects, there is not even enough evidence to
|> conclude that there really *IS* a phenomenon - much less is there
|> sufficient evidence for analysis of properties and/or causes of the
|> phenomenon.
|> 
|> Note: *evidence* is defined as information which can be acquired by
|> any *independent* investigator without reliance on faulty (and possibly
|> biased) "witnesses" whose claims are purely anecdotal. 
|> 
|> |> [...]                               One of them is spontaneous human 
|> |> combustion. If you ever figure out what causes that one let me know.
|> 
|> Find me even *one* case in which it can be determined independently
|> that 1) someone has really burned and 2) there were no mundane causes
|> of combustion present - then, and only then, will you even *have*
|> a phenomenon to study.  You can't study something whose very existence
|> you can't even verify.
|> 
|> -- 
|> J. Giles

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
Subject: Re: Appropriate news groups (was: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.)
Organization: Florida State University
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:51:18 EST

In article <1993Jan21.185226.15928@newshost.lanl.gov>, 
   jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:
> All this talk about inappropriate articles is misdirected...
> 
> The major problem is not inappropriate subjects (which will die
> out if they really aren't of common interest).  The real problem
> is cross-posting...

I agree!  An original poster can post to each appropriate newgroup instead
of cross-posting, this will in the long run probably generate less bandwidth.

If the original poster does not take this resposibility for themselves, then
each follow-up poster should take out the references to the other newsgroups.
That might be difficult though.  You see I didn't follow my own advice.
 
-- 

Have fun!

   =-Kathy->                                   waddell@firnvx.firn.edu
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: How To Contact Good Type UFO.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:41:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: How To Contact The Good Space People. 
  People are always asking how to make sure that you are going to contact the 
good type of space people and not be invited to come to lunch. One of the 
best ways is to learn how to send and receive telepathic messages. When you 
finally learn how to do this then you can look at the space craft of space 
person and bring that information or picture that you see with you eye, into 
your third eye (pineal gland) and then bring the information down into you 
stomach near your belly buttom and let it roll around a little.  As it is 
rolling around get a feel for it and figure out whether it gives you a good 
feeling or a bad feeling. A woman would call it her woman's intuition. A man 
would call it a gut feeling. If you don't get a good feeling, don't fool 
around with that sort of space person. 
  You may already know that I think very highly of Edgar Cayce. Here is some 
information about him;....A mysterious blue crystal helped one of the 
world's greatest psychics make amazingly accurate predictions - and it can 
give you the same eerie power!
  Edgar Cayce, an early 20th century seer who forecast the Great Depression, 
both world wars and the fall of communism in Russia, use a magical stone 
called lapic lazuli before he went into his trances, and author reveals.  
  And you can pick up one of these power-packed stones at a crystal shop at a 
reasonable price - lapis lazuli goes for a mere $4 an once, says 
parapsychologist Brad Steiger. 
 "To achieve this enhancement of psychic awareness, the crystal can be worn as 
a ring, pendant, earring, bracelet, ankle or even as a stone on a belt," 
Steiger explains.
  "Lapic lazuli helps an individual tune into psychic vibrations that surround 
all of us."
  Cayce, who earned the title of America's Sleeping Prophet, once confided 
that his psychic abilities were enhanced by the stone, which is composed of 
the minerals calcite, pyrite and lazulite.
  He also felt it helped him diagnose physical ailments, even before they 
appeared, allowing him to recommend  effective ways to halt the problem in 
the tracks.
  "Some were modern folk cures, others were treatments from past epochs and 
ancient cultures, such as Greece and Rome," Steiger says.
  "Many were later discovered by the formal medical community to be effective 
therapies." 
  Cayce attracted as much attention for his methods as he did for his 
prophecies. 
  "For his readings, he'd enter a self-induced hypnotic trance while holding a 
handfull of lapi luzuli crystals," Steiger says.  "He claimed he tapped into 
a Universal Mind for his information. Dr. Franklin Ruehl.
JW So there you have it folks. There's more to come on this later. Stay tuned.
Source of Information:January 26, 1993 Examiner. page 4.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:22:00 GMT

In article <74332@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>1>+F     
>!Subject: UFO Fix. 
>  Are you not feeling well? Do you have the jake-leg, hammer toes or piles?  
>Well then all you have to do is go and jump on a flying saucer and they will 
>fix you up good. 

John, one can't say you don't have a great sense of humor.

>hen he stumbled into a rocky ravine, but his life was saveFwF
>BAmTWKP
>^N/O3	,.T [...]
>0Roman 10cpi UFO hadn't come along when it did. Yes I was scared."
>   "But those guys took good care of me. I never felt

John, one can't say you told your wordprocessor "Save As ASCII."  You're
the only person on the net ever to mention the Roman 10cpi UFO!

					-- K.
					Word processors are like
					food processors.  Me, I'm
					a Kibology processor.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 06:47:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: I have a great deal of respect to Moses. I think he was 
one of the good guys if there ever was one. I also like Charleston
Heston pretty well too.
John Winston
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: jball@athena.cs.uga.edu (Bouncing Ball)
Subject: Re: UFO Genius.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:33:22 GMT

John_-_Winston wrote:
>Subject: UFO Genius. 

[Stuff deleted]

>Source of Information: 26-Sun-December 22, 21992.
>JW speaking. What do you think of that? 
>John Winston.

John, could you be a little more specific about your source of
information?  This sounds interesting, but you didn't leave much of a
clue as to where people could look this stuff up for themselves.
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From: goff@intruder.navo.navy.mil (Victoria Goff)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANITY AND NEWAGE
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-5960]: intruder.navo.navy.mil
Reply-To: goff@pops.navo.navy.mil
Organization: POPS Facility Managment
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:40:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.163208.27980@digi.lonestar.org>, gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
|> 
|> Christians, fundamental and otherwise, have not come in large numbers to
|> the idea of repeated earth lives, and most regard it as heretical.  There
|> are others, however, who see in this idea a truth that actually fulfills
|> and confirms much that is otherwise a mystery in traditional Christian
|> doctrine.  Rudolf Frieling in his "Christianity and Reincarnation" presents
|> a comprehensive and thoughtful view of an approach that reconciles the
|> basic tenets of Christianity, including the divinity, incarnation, death
|> and resurrection of Christ, and the doctrines of sin and salvation, and also
|> the idea of the last judgement,with the larger picture of destiny (karma) and 
|> reincarnation.  Perhaps some readers will be interested in this approach, which draws on the work of Rudolf Steiner.

The bible says that it is appointed unto man to die once and then judgement,
therefore, there is no such thing as reincarnation according to scripture.
Also, Christianity does not give enlightenment, it stresses man's need
for forgiveness and it is this principle that makes it completely different
from any other religion. 

-V.Goff

Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: SHC.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:04:02 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: Once while I was investigating SHC I asked some firemen
if they had ever heard of it. They denied it for about 2 times then 
finally confessed that they were aware of it and it was covered in 
their training.  It  happen quite a bit.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: ashton@netcom.com (ashton)
Subject: Re: Interest
Keywords: blather, rabble
Reply-To: ashton@netcom.com
Organization: Dept of Medieval Metaphysics, Miskatonic U, Arkham, Mass
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:32:02 GMT

slxlb@cc.usu.edu writes:

>I have for a time been interested in the religion of Wicca, but have found it
>difficult to find real living people (as opposed to books) to help me learn. 
>This newsgroup seems to be the place to ask for my desired help.

Whoa ... I think not. }:->
Try alt.pagan and to a lesser extent alt.magick .
Of course there is also alt.slack and alt.spam.tin ...
Or if you want a real religion alt.religion.kibology .
Blessed Be and 93!
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:35:57 GMT

In article <74371@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: Boy, with Kibo and Sarfatti both posting on here now
>I'm getting a little confused.

My Sarfatti impression kills them at parties.  Or rather, it kills parties.

							-- K.

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com 
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:47:19 GMT


In article <C12Ezw.JLB@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes...


Space Rangers is good too... check it out.. it's on Wednesday nights.
From: nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: earth changes in english
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:46:00 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

>>> .According to Abraham, it is a shift of weight and balance.  

>> I read about it last in the Ra book (another channeling affair) and
>> the reason the Earth is doing this, is because it is moving into
>> a higher density.  we also will move into the higher density.
> 
> What does it mean that the earth is moving into a higher density?
> Sounds gibberish to me. Has the part of the universe the earth is

The more I have thought about the various predictions, the more I wonder if one
of the things that will be happening is that the gravity constant will
increase.  I don't know if that will be a cause or an effect or both.  

-- 
 Andy Harrington                      | nin15b63@merrimack.edu
 Merrimack College, North Andover, MA | I'm too sexy for this network.
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