HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:03:09 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9208202969@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:
>: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>: > 
>: > ... If you want to run gcc you should have
>: > 8MB of memory. For the first steps your 4MB are fine, if you
>: > don't connect to much terminals/modems to your system.
>: 
>: Does that mean gcc/g++ won't run on my 2 MB / one user system?
>
>With 2MB never. Last week I've upgraded from 2MB to 5MB. After
>an upgrade of my disk space (I guess you'll need 30MB free disk
>space to compile gcc) I'll try to get gcc running with my 5MB.
>MWC suggest 8MB to run gcc.
>If someone has an running gcc binary, please sent it to me :-)

Somebody is porting gcc for MWC.

To use gcc on a 386 without an fpu, the gcc sources would have to be
changed to not produce calls to the fpu hardware, as the Coherent 4.0
floating point emulation library doesn not trap on hardware calls.

I understand that this will probably change in 4.1.

>: Another question:  Did someone try to run empire on 4.0.1?  It compiled
>: fine but when run dumps core. How much memory does it need?
>
>If we are talking about the same empire (there are two games named
>empire), I've run it on a large System V and it needs really lots
>of memory (600KB data space + several 100KB's code). You should
>add the compiler option -VPSTR against the core dumps. Sources
>are laying around here, next weekend I'll take a look at it under
>Coherent 4.0, then I can tell you more.

Empire is good for using up any extra cpu time. :-)

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: david@r-node.gts.org (Gerald Abshez)
Subject: Re: Passwords and security (Was: Who are you?)
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:49:09 GMT

In article <1342@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>The choice of password is obviously important, but since the encryption
>method is well known, having the encrypted password readable by the public
>is simply not a good idea.

As a general rule, this is not true. The purpose of a good encryption method
is to keep something secret. Even a "well known" method should take a good
amount of time to crack. The choice of password, along with how often it
is changed, is very important. While hiding the encrypted passwords does
add a level of security, there are enough holes in other places that worrying
so much about a well known method of attack is probably a waste of resources.

Gerald.
-- 
Gerald
david@r-node.gts.org

Insert annoying fundamental political statement here.
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: backup to floppies
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:44:45 

What is the best way to backup to 1.44M HD floppies from Coherent 3.2??

Thanks

   TechnoGeek

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: cvmail
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:28:51 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> I am running Coherent 4.0 with excellent results on a 486 with a few
> users.  One of my users frequently receives the message to run cvmail
> against his /usr/spool/mail file.  When cvmail is run everything is
> fine for a few days then it happens again.  I have received the message
> once but not recently.  I have never used an earlier version of Coherent
> so cvmail doesn't seem to apply anyhow.
>
> It must be something this user is doing as no one else has this problem.

/bin/mail looks for four <ctrl><a>s as the fist line of the file
being read. If it does not find them, it will tell you to run /bin/cvmail
and exit.

The next time this occurs, make a copy of the file in question and forward a
copy to us. Run the cvmail command on the file and mail us a copy of that also.

If the user is running another mail program like comb or pcmail, or maybe
something he/she cooked up, these may be screwing the format of the mailbox.
--
		   MWC Technical Support (bob@mwc.com)
(====================]          _____	      My friends, the great experiment,
         \\             (===================) the USS Excelsior.
   (======\\======]         /// ~~~~~
           \\/             ///	 She's said to have transwarp drive.
    ===========================	 Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd
     =========================(	 be a wagon.
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Bug in Coherent 4.0 Compiler
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA

> -------------------------------------- cut here ------------------------
> char *string = "Hello World\n";
>
> main()
> {
> char **pp;
>
> *pp = string;
> printf("%s", *pp);
> }
> -------------------------------------- and here ------------------------
>
> This program bombs my system and dumps the core. I have tried this 
> on other UNIX systems and even dos and it works just fine...
>
> How can this get corrected? Do we have to wait until 4.1????

It's a bug in your code.  The value of variable pp is undefined at the
time it is dereferenced in the statement "*pp = string".  That
assignment is either trashing four bytes somewhere or trying to write
outside the data segment.  It is not a problem with Coherent.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tsecfr@getrz.gez.ch (Christof Frey)
Subject: Re: c compiler
Organization: Grapha Electronic AG, Zofingen
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:33:50 GMT

tsecfr@getrz.gez.ch (Christof Frey) writes:
: Is ther a ANSI-C compiler available for coherent ?
: 
: Thanks
: Chris

Please reply by e-mail
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: CohWare volume III
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:59:42 


I have been informed by the MWC sales department that there will be a
new set of CohWare disks coming out for 4.0; can someone give me an idea
of what's going to be on it? Thanks

-sjs.

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 *  *   *   | Steve Sobol * President * sjsobol@tiny.com or tiny!sjsobol 
 *   *  *   | Alternate addresses: sjsobol@wariat.org or ag510@po.cwru.edu
 *    * *   | Disclaimer: I *AM* the Tiny Software Company. 
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From: wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: tcp/ip for coherent
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:03:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybernet.7RJqPB2w164w
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

friberg@mtu.edu (Kenneth W. Friberg) writes:

> I tried to send mail to Randy Wright about this, but it bounced.  I am

Randy is going to be mailing this to me in the next few days.  You might 
want to try him at:
     Randy_Wright@mindlink.bc.ca

It worked for me.

+-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
| Wayne Desmond                     | Happily using and working (read:  |
| OS/2 Consultant/Programmer        | earning a GOOD living) with       |
| (wayned.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu) | OS/2, since version 1.1.          |
+-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: trumpet-user@dkfz-heidelberg.de (Don Ward)
Subject: IN-2000 SCSI card
Organization: German Cancer Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:56:03 GMT

I am getting a new computer for 4.0, and the computer shop recomended this
SCSI card. It is cheep, and they say i is fast. They have it in a novell
server. I was wondering if anyone has tried to use it with coherent. It
seems to be a good match for coherent from the price, and the preformance.
If no one has used it I might try to write a driver for it. I have never done
a disk driver befor, however I have done some direct hardware programing 
under DOS, so I think that I could do it.

don ward.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
if you want me to be able to read you post, then you have to set the
distrubution to world. I am in Germany. Thats why I have trouble with
my spelling. please excuse.
Don Ward at: zdv620@support.inet.dkfz-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: david@r-node.gts.org (Gerald Abshez)
Subject: RN problems
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:55:27 GMT

Has anyone got the rn that is posted at mwcbbs working? I'm using Coherent
3.2.1 and the Cnews that is posted on mwcbbs, and rn keeps burping all over
the place. (I did get the PD Make from mwcbbs to compile it, BTW). Can anyone
relate what they did to get this puppy working smoothly? Any pointers are
appreciated.

-- 
Gerald
david@r-node.gts.org

Insert annoying fundamental political statement here.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Seeing links
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:12:25 GMT

jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
: 
: Is there a way to see what the links are between files on Coherent?
: ls on the UNIX at UIowa shows them, but I can't find any reference
: to showing them on Coherent.  The only way I can think of to do this
: is comparing the creation times / sizes on various files, which is
: cumbersome at best, and impossible if the links are to files in
: separate directories.
: 

You want to look at i-node numbers.

Here's a shell script that will print a list of plain files that have
2 or more links (actually 2 through 21, if you've got more links than
that you'll have to add more -links parameters to the find command ).
It only searches the current directory and below.  You have to make
sure that the tree rooted at the current directory does not contain
multiple file systems, or you get spurious output.  If you wanted to,
you might be able fix up the find expression to prune the search tree
when it finds a mount point.

---------------------cut here--------------------------------------------
find . \( -links 2 -o -links 3 -o -links 4 -o -links 5 -o -links 6 -o \
          -links 7 -o -links 8 -o -links 9 -o -links 10 -o -links 11 -o \
          -links 12 -o -links 13 -o -links 14 -o -links 15 -o -links 16 -o \
          -links 17 -o -links 18 -o -links 19 -o -links 20 -o -links 21 \
       \) \
          -type f -exec ls -i {} \; |\
sort -n |\
awk '{if ($1 != last) {print "";} print $0; last=$1;}'
---------------------cut here--------------------------------------------

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I once decorated my
Rosemount Inc.                                |apartment entirely in ten
                                              |foot salad forks!!
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: DOS progs. and Coherent.
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:46:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jtgoh@athena.mit.edu (Joo T Goh) writes:
: Sorry if this is a FAQ but I am a newbie as far as UNIX is
: concerned.
: I am presently  using a lot of DOS progs. - MS Fortran 5.1,
: PCTex 386, and occasionally Windows. I would like to get
: my hands dirty with UNIX, and for $100 an OS - Coherent
: seems a good choice. However, I want to be able to 
: continue using my DOS programs even with Coherent loaded , i.e
: running them side by side. Can I do that? I am using a 486-33,
: 8 MB Ram, & a 120MB HD.

No, Coherent comes without an DOS emulator. You have to shutdown
Coherent and then to boot DOS to run the DOS programms.
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From: Thomas.Pagel@unnet.w.open.DE (Thomas Pagel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: german keyboard failure??
Date: 22 Aug 92 07:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: Thomas.Pagel@unnet.w.open.DE (Thomas Pagel)
Organization: THE UNDERGROUND NETWORK
X-News-Reader: ix/MBox 1.6 PL10f by <volkers@unnet.w.open.DE>

In article <1992Aug18.155634.25744@tpki.toppoint.de>,
            Michael Schack writes:

> Hello everybody,

> today I`ve got coherent 4.0 from JF Lehmann in Berlin. I
> installed it (it took about one hour) and all is fine untill I
> try a backslash (\)! On my keyboard I get a "\" with AltGr-\
> and further on I think the AltGr-key is active all the time
> because no other key works but all keys which have a meaning
> together with AltGr!!!

> Is there a way to solve this problem? Any suggestions? It`s a
> normal AT-keyboard.

> Ijust begun with coherent and so I have no idea how to manage
> this. My only way to do something else with coherent is to
> reset and thats not the way it should go.

> Thankfully for every hint,
> micha...
> -- 
> / M. Schack /  / landstry  /  landstry@tpki.toppoint.de
>              / Kiel      /               --internet--
>            / Germany   /   gif01@rz.uni-kiel.dbp.de

>             

> 	    

Hallo Micha!

I also have a new Coherent 4.01. I heared that in Version 4.00 the
german keyboard driver doesn't work properly. But even with the Coh 4.01
I have hard problems with my keyboard. Every time I use the cntl-key, 
Coherent refuses to work. 
Found a "silly " solution" this night:

login as root
change to anther console with alt-F1
type /conf/kbd/german (for the german driver)
quickly change to the first Task -> altF1  (sorry, two lines up alt-F2)
and kill this process bef@}or it finished.

Afterwards your keyboard works fine

Has anybody an explanation for that?

Greetings from the south of the Ruhr-Gebiet

Thomas- Velbert - Germany
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: direct uucp-connexion?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 02:00:37 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

"Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:

> Is there a way do have 2 systems connected by uucp without
> any modem? I mean somesthing like Nullmodemcable.
> (Is 2times female serial cable called Nullmodem in English?)

Yep, this is quite easy, I've done it here in the past. All you need is:

  [PC]---<normal serial cable>---<null modem adapter>---<gender bender>---[PC]

Or you can wire up a single custom cable to do the whole job. A null modem
adapter is more than just a female-female gender bender, it also needs to
swap handshaking and data lines.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Problems w/ multi-volume tar backup
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:50:05 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>
> : grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
> : 
> : > [...problems with ustar and GNU tar...]
> : 
> : works okay although it doesn't restore links properly. However, ustar is
> : just cpio with a different UI so if you're having problems with one it's
> : likely you'll have problems with the other.
> 
> Last time I checked, cpio and ustar were completely different.  You
> might be thinking of pax, which handles either cpio or tar style
> archives.  I use cpio under DOS quite a bit, so maybe I'll switch to
> cpio under Coherent.

Erm, what I mean is that ustar and cpio and pax are all the same executable.

   $ cd /usr/bin
   $ ls -li pax cpio ustar
    1103 -r-x--x--x  3 bin        bin          43924 Wed Aug  5 20:47 cpio
    1103 -r-x--x--x  3 bin        bin          43924 Wed Aug  5 20:47 pax
    1103 -r-x--x--x  3 bin        bin          43924 Wed Aug  5 20:47 ustar

They just operate differently depending on their name at invocation. So while
some parts must be different for the different UI and data formats, some parts
must be the same.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: /etc/passwd security (was Re: Who are you?)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:22:39 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In an article, patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST) writes:
>anywhere from where you put them and running "sensitive" commands.. however,
>the one on the HP-PA in front of me is pretty easy to defeat (eg. run sh,
>but not /bin/sh).  Took me a whole two seconds to defeat.

Then your /bin/sh is broken.  When it starts up, it should look at
the SHELL environment variable (which cannot be changed when running
the restricted shell) and if it's defined as /bin/rsh (or whatever) then
it invokes itself as a restricted shell.  This prevents the user from
doing what you describe above... the same would occur should the user
spawn a sub-shell from within another program.  To do it right, though,
you need to make sure that their .profile (and any other startup scripts)
are not owned and not writable by the restricted user, and that the PATH
variable is setup to only search /rbin and /usr/rbin (and /usr/local/rbin
if appropriate).  In these directories, you have links to only those
commands which are safe -- this means no compilers, assemblers, link
editors, debuggers, binary file editors and the like. 

Now, for the truly paranoid, you could also omit all flavors of ls(1),
df(1), ps(1), who(1), and anything else that would provide information on
file locations, filesystem sizes, running processes and users (yes, an
"echo /usr/lib/*" would display filenames but critical information, such as
if the file is SUID, would not be available.)  You would also want to
make sure that no shells are in $PATH (because "rsh -nv [file]" will act
like the cat(1) command) and the user cannot use ed(1), sed(1), vi(1) or
cat(1) (this is to prevent the user from reading the /etc/passwd and 
/etc/group files as well as other system configuration files.)

For the record, I think that restricting user access in this fashion is
ridiculous... but it is probably a real turn-on for control freaks. :-)
-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike  (+1 714 681 2623)
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: What is   Prepare_gift  when booting 4.0.1-kernel
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:06:18 GMT
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS

joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel) writes:
: They boot from the Coherent install floppy and after the kernel is nearly
: up they get the following error message on their screen:
: 
: 	Prepare_gift(): Warning: not enough room for all arguments
: 			only 496 bytes submitted 

Here what Norm wrote as quick help:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's a quick fix for the problem:

	1) Press the <reset> button, or power cycle the machine
	2) Insert the boot disk in drive A:
	3) When the tertiary boot (tboot) prompts, hit the <space> bar
	   if needed to avoid autobooting
	4) Type the command "info" and hit the <Enter> key
	5) Lastly, type "update" or "begin" or "coherent", as needed
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cheers,

Joachim
 
+----------------------------+--------------------+-------------------------+
| Joachim Riedel             | joachim@jr.sub.org | jr@connie.de.convex.com |
| Geschwister-Scholl-Str. 48 +----------------------------------------------|
| D-6050 Offenbach am Main   | European Coherent Support BBS: +49 69 858711 |
| Tel. +49 69 85 62 25       | V22bis, V32, V32bis, HST (USR Dual Standard) |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs, porting
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:36:58 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <378@conan.UUCP> dmitry@conan.UUCP (Dmitry Gringauz) writes:
>With all the talk recently about porting GNU C++, did anyone try to
>port the GNU Emacs?  I know it is a memory hog, but I still wonder if it
>is possible to run it on a system that has no virtual memory.


GCC may be a requirement for GNU EMACS.  At the least, GNU MAKE will almost
certainly be a requirement.  It ought to run without demand paging on a 6
or more magabyte system.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:3628 comp.os.os2.misc:27241
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 files to Coherent using HPFS?
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:32:37 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

Is anyone using Coherent on the same HD as OS/2 2.0? I am wondering if
I will still be able to transfer files to and from the two partitions
if I choose OS/2's HPFS as opposed to the DOS FAT file system. Coherent
supplies utilities for reading/writing etc. to a dos partition, will these
still work (will OS/2 intercept and translate?) or will new utilities
be required? If the latter, where can they be found?
 
I will stick with the FAT if the answer to both of the above questions is
no, as transfer between the partitions will be very important.

-- 

Adam Eberbach    Computer Science student, RMIT.   t9114145@phillip.edu.au
               "We don' need no stinkin' signatures!"
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Split files at Raven.alaska.edu
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 08:41:24 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org writes:

> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu ( @ SPC Community Access System) once wrote....
>
> >Is there some reason why people are chopping up the files being posted
> >to Raven?  Is there some reason why the keeper of Raven (grin) isn't
> >glueing them back together?
> 
> Well my *GUESS* is for someone like me who doesn't have ftp capabilities.
> You see for me to get the files from raven.alaska.edu I need to use a
> mail server. Most mail servers limit the size of a mail message to around
> 50~60k of data. BTW, raven folks THANKS for the files and DEC.DECWRL folks
> THANK YOU for the service!!!!!!!

Actually, unless it's been altered recently ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
automagically splits up large files after uuencoding them, so it's not
necessary for the people at raven to do this. I was under the impression
that most other Mail-Based Archive Servers did the same.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"