From: msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
Subject: Re: BB Vs ASDG
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:15:50 GMT

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0pmy@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>This message is in reference to the recent exchange of public messages
>between representatives of ASDG, Black Belt Systems and GVP.
>
>Frankly, I am a bit puzzled at the reaction that some people are having to
>these messages. ASDG has done their level best to slam competing products
>from the other two companies. They have done this by misrepresenting facts,
>omitting facts, and out-right falsehood.
>
>When the victims of this dishonest marketing ploy stepped forward to
>protect themselves, in the same public fashion in which they were trashed,
>a lot of people got upset. They seemed to think that this was childish
>behavior befitting four-year olds in a sand box. The statements of defense
>have been parodied into tantrum-like rantings -- "He lied, you smell."
>
>I don't get it. Not a word of protest when the real crime was committed,
>but lots of back-bench heckling when the aggrieved parties try to right the
>wrongs done to them.
>
>What happened to the American sense of justice and fair play. That seems to
>have gone by the wayside, and now I hear cries from the greedy - "Shut up
>you guys and write me more software!"
>
>I think that Black Belt and GVP have every right to defend themselves in
>the same public forum in which their products were trashed. And shame on
>you if you don't think so.
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
>
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   I agree entirely.  I think that Ben did a good job of presenting
factual data in a fair manner.  I also believe that when reacting to
Perry's claims and attacks he stayed specifically on the points
necessary in order to defend B.B. (and in some cases GVP).  

   Not entirely because of the thread that prompted the above response,
but, in large part also due to what I have heard from satisfied
Imagemaster owners I have just purchased Imagemaster (along with an
A4000).  There is no question, in any event, that Perry's tirade(s)
relative to the aforementioned thread helped ASDG's (Adpro's) case none
in my mind.  Yes, I want the best product available, (which is it?  I'll let
anyone who cares to know my opinion of Imagemaster in a couple of
months...), however, NO, I don't care to purchase products from a
company which misrepresents in order to make sales.   While Perry is his
own person and everything he says doesn't necessarily reflect directly
on ASDG, I find it impossible to distance ASDG very much so from his
remarks.  ASDG may do well to modify it's manner of presentation
regarding the benefits of it's products (and comparisons with other
similar products ).   

M. Snider
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com