From: jfr@RedBrick.COM
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Those Wacky Conservatives!
Date: 8 Nov 92 00:26:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA

In article <BxD9xy.FLD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins) writes:
>htuttle@nyx.cs.du.edu (Harry Tuttle) writes:
>
>>The problem with staunch conservatism is that it is a morally 
>>indefensible position.  It often (not always) promotes selfishness under
>>the guise of "free enterprise", ignores social problems by citing
>>"lack of government involvement" and perpetuates the subjugation of
>>women (see "feminazis").  Now I know that not all conservatives fall
>>into this moral quagmire, but too many do.  And Rush encourages it.
 
  C'mon, I think you are taking this a bit too seriously.  Rush's
  antics are calculated to drive staunch liberals to distraction
  and when they take the bait it just makes his efforts all that
  much more effective.  Don't forget that there are those on our
  side of the fence who have constantly done the same to our
  conservative brethren.  I am much more concerned about the people
  who take Limbaugh too seriously on BOTH sides of the fence than
  I am about Limbaugh himself.  From what I read and hear, he is
  having the time of his life.  Apparently was at a typical New York
  party early this week for Kathie Lee Gifford's book and spent the
  whole time hanging around with John McLaughlin ogling Marla Maples.
  Don't tell me Rush ain't laughing all the way to the bank :-)

>>Well, feel free to tell me what a leftist nut I am.  Call me crazy, but
>>I just believe in the Declaration of Independence when it says that
>>ALL are created equal (even women, minorities, homosexuals and tax-and-
>>spend liberals).  

  The Declaration, need I remind you, said ALL MEN are created equal,
  and there is little but feminist and civil rights revisionism to
  suggest that they meant anything BUT that.  Not that I put down
  the Declaration (it brings tears to my eyes every time I read it,
  seriously it does), but lets not get carried away here.  The
  founding fathers were a mix of radical seperationists and conservative
  landholders all trying to watch out for their interests.  They   
  succeeded, but at some tremendous morally indefensible costs, such
  as the 3/5 of a person slave clause of the Constitution.  

>The problem with people who have problems with conservatism is their 
>view that it is a governmental imperative to invade every corner of my life.
>They feel that government is far more qualified than I to decide how 
>my money should be spent, how my life should be lived, and how charitable I
>should be.  They feel that the only moral force is the government.  They
>feel that the honest accumulation of wealth through hard work is not only
>immoral, but just plain evil.  All [persons] are _created_ equal, but
>liberalism would have all of them remain at that level by the mandatory
>redistribution of wealth -- "From each according to his abilities, to each
>according to his needs."  Sound familiar?
>
  Whew, you guys are polarized beyond belief, huh?  He calls you morally
  indefensible, you think he's an invader.  Sigh... Most liberals that
  I know of (and I know many) think the government is better positioned
  to handle many things than individuals, but not all.  And I think most
  liberals basically want everyone in the society to share responsibilty
  for that burden based on their ability to pay.  They have no problem
  with the accumulation of personal wealth as long as you are willing
  to contribute an increasingly larger share of that wealth to the
  society since you continue to benefit by owning a larger share of
  the productive resources.  No liberal I know of thinks that someone
  who wants to make good in the world is evil.  The only think people
  who want to make good and keep it all for themselves are evil.  Those
  people, in the liberal's view, are being socially irresponsible for
  not paying back to society a share of what they have accumulated.

  Now you may disagree strongly with this view (as I assume you do),
  but to say that every liberal thinks you are evil just because you
  are a conservative is wrong and unfair.  

  Jon
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