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From: mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay)
Subject: Re: What is the rlogin to Sun hang bugfix??
Originator: mstacc@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:31:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct13 js9s@helga2.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jiangeng  Sun) writes:
>In article <1bd55hINN5ro, paul@aztec.ucsc.edu (Paul Tatarsky) writes:
>apparently  this  bug is gone in 4.2A. 

Missed the first part of this 'bug', but was wondering if this was
related to the hang problem of rlogin'ing in between DEC Ultrix boxes.
We seem to have a problem whe rlogin'ing from one Ultrix 4.2a box to
another, that if you hit <escape>, either cntrl-[ or F11, the entire
session can and will hang.  Only solution we've been provided has been
to drop the connection.

DSN link reports back that it was a 'bug' and will be addressed in
OSF.  Any word on if this problem is 'fixed' in 4.3 or are we the only
ones seeing this problem :)

-- 
-Mark Tremblay              
  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu
     Rochester Institute of Technology      Phone:       716.475.2986
From: j_detter@BULLS.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM (Jeff Detterman)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Perfmon source
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:15:07 GMT

A long time ago I had a DEC person come through
with a program called perfmon. It was a graphical
display of CPU util, Mem util etc... . I have looked
all over for the source and can't seem to find it.

Does anybody have a copy of this or know of a similiar
type of program? 

I pulled down xmon from the sources that come with monitor 
but I can't seem to get it to work. I try 

# monitor mon -f - | xmon

and get the error

monitor: replay: Can't open data file: No such file or directory (-).

Jeff Detterman			phone: (319)395-2744
UNIX System Administrator 	email: j_detter@hwking.cca.cr.rockwell.com
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: 4.3 and AFS?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:24:35 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Does anyone have AFS up and running under V4.3 yet?

Please email me, I get *real* behind reading news.

Thanks,
-Shirl
grant@psc.edu
From: dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: List of X11-related bugs in Ultrix 4.2a?
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:26:21 GMT
Organization: Applicon; Ann Arbor, MI (USA)

In <4476@datum.nyo.dec.com> frank@croton.nyo.dec.com (Frank Wortner) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.185550.9123@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>|>Does DEC have a buglist that customers can scan through?  I need to check if
>|>some bugs we'd like to report already have patches.
>
>No, there is no publicly available buglist.  The only way to obtain patches
>is to report problems, so you might as well report them.
IHMO, such a list would be quite useful to we poor souls who are stuck
doing X/Motif development.  Instead of spending a whole day isolating
a problem in a sample program that can be sent of to DEC, we could
just through through the list of known bugs and get a patch.  

But I can understand how such a list wouldn't be too popular from
DEC's point of view, since they would essentially be airing their
dirty laundry...

   Dan
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From: alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.)
Subject: Re: What is tpathd?
Reply-To: alan@nabeth.enet.dec.com (Alan Rollow - Alan's Home for Wayward Tumbleweeds.)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:58:06 GMT


In article <1992Oct12.111203.16533@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, anthony@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anthony Baxter) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
>From: anthony@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anthony Baxter)
>Subject: Re: What is tpathd?
>
>In <1992Oct10.131229.20519@phri.nyu.edu> roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
>
>>My Ultrix 4.2a system always seems to have the following process running:
>
>>USER       PID %CPU %MEM   SZ  RSS TT STAT   TIME COMMAND
>>root         4  0.0  0.0    0    0 ?  I      0:00 tpathd
>
>>Can somebody explain to me what it is?  Given the low PID, I assume
>>it's some sort of system process.
>
>sounds like something to do with the trusted path implementation.

Specifically, it is the trusted path daemon.  It part of the
security stuff added in V4.0 (I think).  The feature is that
by pressing the right key the kernel will kill all the process
on that terminal, so that a user KNOWS that the program asking
for his password will almost certainly be the REAL password
reading program instead of a fake.

If you don't plan to use it, then it would be wise to take it
out.  Otherwise, you'll have some user come up to you someday
and ask "Why do I get logged out when I press <whatever-key-it-is>"?
  
>
>see if you have option SYS_TPATH in the kernel config file...
>

There's also a pseudo-device.

>
>Anthony
>
>-- 
>           anthony baxter                  rdt : anthony@rdt.monash.edu.au.
--
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From: hjgwi@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (Jay G. Williamson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Mail aliases - includes - in V4.2
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:23:18 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Oct8.145128.1286@decuac.dec.com>, avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Oct8.002846.25662@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika) writes:
|> >Is it possible to use include statements in the global mail aliases
|> >file (/etc/aliases)?  According to a Berkeley unix book I have,
|> >the format on that machine is:
|> >
|> >aliasname: :include:/usr/students/account/includefile
|> >
|> >but my sysadmin has informed me that this format (along with some
|> >variations involving ;, ' and ") did not work. 
|> 
|> Works fine for me on ULTRIX.  You need your system manager to
|> let you (and us) know what the error was.
|> 
|> f

The default Makefile for Ultrix, as we got it, ignores includes.  This
change to /var/yp/Makefile will allow them:

       $(SED) -e "/^#/d" -e s/#.*$$// $(ALIASES) \
         | $(AWK) 'BEGIN { FS=":"; OFS="\t"; } { printf ("%s\t%s", $$1, $$2)} \
            { if ($$3 == "include") printf(":%s:%s\n", $$3, $$4) ; else printf("\n") }' \
         | $(MAKEDBM) - $(YPDBDIR)/mail.aliases; \

This was in the section that remakes mail.aliases.
It used to look like:

       $(SED) -e "/^#/d" $(ALIASES) \
         | $(AWK) 'BEGIN { FS=":"; OFS="\t"; } { print $$1, $$2 }' \
         | $(MAKEDBM) - $(YPDBDIR)/mail.aliases; \


-- 
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From: ehrlich@cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: Ultrix V4.3 Worksystem Software SPD
Organization: Computer Science Department, Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:13:49 GMT

In article <BvtJID.6q4@cs.psu.edu> ehrlich@cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich) writes:

Dan> I have put up the "ULTRIX Worksystem Software, Version 4.3 SPD 28.22.21" for
Dan> anonymous FTP on ftp.cs.psu.edu in the file pub/dec/Ultrix-WSS-4.3-SPD.  The
Dan> "ULTRIX Operating System Version 4.3 SPD 26.40.xx" should be here in the
Dan> next day or so and will be put in the same directory.  Note that the FTP
Dan> server will only work between the hours of 5PM - 8AM US Eastern Time.

The ULTRIX OS SPD is in place now.

--
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"Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of
 realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited
 by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster
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From: feigin@iis.ethz.ch (Adam W. Feigin)
Subject: Re: AMD for Risc Ultrix?
Keywords: amd automount
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:55:48 GMT

stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt) writes:

>Is anyone using amd successfully on a DECstation?  Anything I (or the
>authors) should know about before I try it?

Amd works just fine on Ultrix 4.x on DEC MIPSen. We've been running it
here under Ultrix 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2 on 3100's, 5000's and DECsystem
5800's and 5500's for years....

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From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: Re: xcdplayer for Ultrix 4.2 doesn't like 4.3+SCSI/CAM
Organization: CS
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:28:55 GMT

In article <ggm.718429486@brolga> ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:
>
>Since upgrading to Ultrix 4.3+SCSI/CAM I can't drive the RRD42 in 'enjoy'
>mode. This is seriously impacting my mental health. 

Weird.  I did my upgrade to 4.3+scsi/cam, with an internal rrd42, and it's
still working in "enjoy" mode just fine...
-- 
 Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
 Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@cs.montana.edu
From: rjones@wsl.dec.com (Russ Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Why no PEX in Xws?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:14:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct12.161405.20135
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <2AD761AD.13152@news.service.uci.edu>, fredv@abba.acs.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian) writes:
> We use PEX applications on our PXG machines (Xwst3d server), however I'd like
> to know why PEX is not in the 2D server (Xws). I know performance of the
> 2D graphics boards is not going to be good for our 3D applications, but
> wouldn't PEX on a HX/PX/CX cards be better than plain X if it were
> available? 

Today we support PEX on some of the 2D accelerators we sell with VAXstations.
We're investigating adding this type of support for our 2D graphics options on the UNIX side of the house.  Stayed tuned.

> Some X terminal vendors are incorporating PEX into their
> servers even though their products do not have any special hardware
> accelerators.

You're right.  NCD, for one, sells PEX as a layered product on their RISC-based
X-terminals.  Does this layered product approach seem resaonable to you?

> Thanks
> 
> Fred Velijanian
> University of California, Irvine
> fredv@uci.edu

Thanks,

-- 
Russ Jones
U.S. Graphics Workstation Marketing Mgr
Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and not necessarily those of my employer
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Server for X11R5 / PX ?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:50:52 GMT

In article <Bvt9q2.GHB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> davet@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Dave Thompson) writes:
>I've been attempting to get an X11R5 server running on my DECstation 5000/125.
>The mit distrubtion claims that it supports the MX and CX displays for
>the 5000.  Unfortunately, I have a PX display.  When I run the
>X server, I get a "no screens found" error message and the X server terminates.
>Is there a port to the PX display?

Unfortunately not.  The PX graphics hardware is rather powerful and difficult
to write a good and efficient server for; as far as I know nobody has even
attempted to write one for the MIT distribution.  In addition there aren't
very many of the PX and PXG machines out there.

This is complicated by the fact that the DEC server is an absolute piece of
garbage.  Our DS5000 machines are heavily underutilized due to the problems
with the automounter and the awful X server difficulties.  We have been
tempted to dump the PX hardware and go with one of the low end graphics
controllers just so we could get rid of the DECwindows server.
--scott

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From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Re: CSO Nameserver (qi) prob
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:30:50 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <1992Oct1.134943.8957@trentu.ca>, by ccksb@trentu.ca (Ken Brown):
> 
> I'm having a problem with the CSO Nameserver (qi) under Ultrix 4.2.  I can
> run a "Configure ultrix" alright but the make is giving me some errors.
> Here's what I find...
> 
> Suggestions and comments would be most welcome.

I've had a huge amount of trouble with CSO  under ultrix 4.2 including this one.

	I have finally hacked so that it compiles. I had to move a few function
s about. It still doesn't work. I get the following message on connecting
to the PH server
mark:alsvid> ph
401:Field config is missing.

	Have I miss configured it or broken it with my mods??


	So is there an update to the source or does some one out there
in net land have the magic solutions for this beasty?


	Cheers
		Mark :)
-- 
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   University of New England, Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: VOELS@usmv01.usm.uni-muenchen.de (Stephen A. Voels)
Subject: rexec Example
Organization: University Observatory Munich, FRG 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:52:34 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


     I am having trouble getting a program which uses rexec to work.  I keep
getting connection refused.  Is there some obvious security error that I
could be making?  Or could someone send me a short example using rexec that
works under Ultrix.

Thanks,


Stephen A. Voels
Uni.-Sternwarte Muenchen     Internet:  voels@usm.uni-muenchen.de
Scheinerstr. 1               Voice:     +49-89-92209437
8000 Muenchen 80  FRG        FAX:       +49-89-92209427
From: forrest@nobozo.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Unix Distributed System Management : DECFullSail
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:20:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nobozo.cs.berkeley.edu

One thing about FullSail that I haven't seen the answer to (I haven't
looked very hard) is how they're going to handle the paradox presented
by the fact that FullSail requires Ultrix/SQL, which is no longer
licensed in Ultrix 4.3. (I don't know if no longer licensed means not
distributed, or requires and additional license for additional $, or
what). So, how are you supposed to run FullSail without Ultrix/SQL?
-- 
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From: fredv@abba.acs.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian)
Subject: Why no PEX in Xws?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:05:17 GMT

We use PEX applications on our PXG machines (Xwst3d server), however I'd like
to know why PEX is not in the 2D server (Xws). I know performance of the
2D graphics boards is not going to be good for our 3D applications, but
wouldn't PEX on a HX/PX/CX cards be better than plain X if it were
available? Some X terminal vendors are incorporating PEX into their
servers even though their products do not have any special hardware
accelerators.

Thanks

Fred Velijanian
University of California, Irvine
fredv@uci.edu
From: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: DEC Tablet with Stylus - How to recognize?
Keywords: Tablet
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:49:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsl.1992Oct9.144901
Reply-To: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <1992Oct9.172913.25635@aa.cad.slb.com>, 
farber@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Phillip Farber) writes:
|> 
|> Is there any way at application runtime to determine whether the puck
|> or the stylus is attached to the Tablet?

The operating system does not automatically recognize the 
difference between the puck and the stylus.  Nor does does the
X Window System core protocol have a mechanism for returning
an input device type, even if the operating system knew it.  (If 
X did, we would have provided the capability in the driver.)

On the other hand, since you say it's the *application* that wants to
know, there is a workaround.  You can start the server with the command
line option (placed in the appropriate spot in /etc/ttys) "-btn 2" if
you're using the stylus, or "-btn 4" if you're using the puck.
This allows the X application to determine the number of buttons
using the return value from XGetPointerMapping and use it to deduce 
the device type.

Of course, this doesn't allow dynamically changing the input device, 
but then again, you didn't ask for this :-)

regards,
-joel
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Subject: Re: Advice on Tahiti-2 optical disk
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:06:07





In article <OSW79HJ@gwdu03.gwdg.de> cpeters@gwdgv1.gwdg.de writes:



>> I consider buying a Maxtor Tahiti-2
>> optical disk drive.
>> Does anyone have experiences running this
>> on a DECstation (e.g.5000/120) ?
>> Any problems (and fixes :) ?

>> H. Michael Behrens (behrens@namu01.gwdg.de)
>> posted via: cpeters@gwdgv1.gwdg.de

Michael,

  We helped MAXOPTIX (the MAXTOR joint effort that produces the TAHITI drive)
debug their software control of the MO drive over a year ago. The drive works
just fine (we even tried using it as a system disk).

  I just hung up the phone with MAXOPTIX support down in San Jose and they tell
me that there should be no problem with the TAHITI-2 drive. There is a jumper
on the drive to set it into "DEC MODE" and they are aware of no problems. 

I hope that helps.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: What is tpathd?
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:12:29 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine

My Ultrix 4.2a system always seems to have the following process running:

USER       PID %CPU %MEM   SZ  RSS TT STAT   TIME COMMAND
root         4  0.0  0.0    0    0 ?  I      0:00 tpathd

Can somebody explain to me what it is?  Given the low PID, I assume
it's some sort of system process.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: kaiser@mammal.vbo.dec.com (Peter Kaiser)
Subject: Re: Excuse me, but isn't this 1992?
Reply-To: kaiser@uniriv.vbo.dec.com
Organization: DEC Technology Integration Group
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:49:23 GMT


--
I don't mean to beat up on anyone about this issue (and I certainly know
Dan by his net postings), but I'm personally -- not officially, mind you --
short of patience for simple flaming here.  It's possible to be more
effective.  End of sermon.

___Pete

kaiser@uniriv.vbo.dec.com
+33 92.95.62.97 (DTN 828-6297)
From: bm@sumikin.co.jp (Bunpei Matoba)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: XOpenDisplay-XCloseDisplay memory un-release problem
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:33:47 GMT
Distribution: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: Sumitomo Metal Industories, Ltd., Osaka
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: lion


 We use Ultrix 4.2 / DECstation5000/200 CX with 48MB memory and
96MB swap space.  We recently detected that a frequnt XOpenDisplay - 
XCloseDisplay call increases a memory size of the process and consumes
swap area on a harddisk.
(This was found observing a SZ number shown by "ps -aux" command and 
used-swap size shown by "pstat -s" command.)

 Japanese DEC TSC people confirmed this problem and they say,
"XOpenDisplay calls malloc() and XCloseDisplay calls free(). 
 The free() doesn't release the memory block allocated by the malloc()
completely. This is the reason why the calls increased the momory size"

 Is this a well-known problem for ULTRIX users?
 We temporarily avoid the problem by calling XOpenDisplay just once.
 Is there any basic way to solve this problem?

 We are also afraid that this is a fundamental problem of a malloc-free
mechanism of Ultrix 4.2. 

     Bunpei Matoba
     System Engineer, Sumitomo Metal Industries Contorl & Engineering Corp.
     Amagasaki,  Japan.


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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: Excuse me, but isn't this 1992?
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:12:19 GMT

maklinm@cognos.com (Max Maklin) writes:
> With MIPS & ALPHA,
> Ultrix, OSF/1, and NT, plethora of hardware, support AND service of all
> DEC's products (ever look at the size of Options catalog lately, well
> wait till ALPHA rolls out, going need a forklift! :)

I personally think this is DEC's shortcoming.  Look at Sun.  They stopped
supporting Sun-3 hardware a long time ago.  They only support one OS (SunOS,
uhh, Solaris) and one architecture (Sparc).  DEC supports godzillions of
hardware and software.  

Now, who has the biggest workstation market share?

There comes a time when it's a good idea to not support the PDP-11's and the
VAX 11/780's anymore.  Yes, I know DEC doesn't sell 'em anymore but I vaguely
remember Gail saying that DEC still supports PDP-11's.  Is that necessarily
a good thing?

I wouldn't mind seeing DEC ditch sales & support for VMS, NT and the VAX
architecture but I guess there are way too many people who'd still buy them
to ditch them, I guess.

Oh well.  I'm just a customer.  What do I know?

--
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