From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:06:25 GMT
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <al158305.718667385@academ01> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
>(Rune Hyldmo) writes:
>
>>I am sick and tierd of all you Amiga-dorks out there trying to tell us that
>>the new low-end amigas will crush the FALCON. 
>
>   So? Why don't you just ignore us and shut up?

Sound advice.  I'm also not very sure how many of the people on this group 
have been launching personl jihads against the Falcon to begin with.  Face 
it, Atari is even deader than we are, probably by a fair margin.  I find it
hard to picture many amiga.advocacy readers going out of their way to bash 
the new STs/TTs/Abaqs/Falcons/VaporClouds/whatever.

People like Jeff Young invading this group, though... now that's another
story... "Who will defend you TRUTH when I am gone!"

>>Have you stopped to think at all, I know it is a little to much to ask of
>>an Amiga freak, but still...
>
>   Hmmm... by reading your post, I believe that would actually be backwards,
>   what you see in others is a mere reflaction of what you see inside yourself.
>   Strange isn't it? But really, it's true.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course...

>>The DSP does little to improve the Falcon. Are you saying that the NEXT is
>>a bad machine. The DSP is to weak. I hope NOT. And the Falcon DSP is even
>>better because of more memory. I will try top get an expert to write an
>>article about the DSP and what it can do. You will be supprised of what it
>>can do. 
>
>   The DSP can do nothing for a WP, for a spreadsheet, for a database, for
>   a paint program, for a compiler. My point? It can only be used by
>   specialized programs. And no, I don't think I'll be surprised.

Essentially true.  BTW, how many people have been attacking the Falcon's
DSP anyway?

>>How many Falcons is likely to be sold by then??  A LOT!!!!!
>
>    That's still to be seen. I personally don't think so. If Commodore is
>    thought of as a game-computer company, I can't imagine what the
>    general public think when they hear the name "Atari".

They'll either think of coin-ops, or if they've seen Atari's computer efforts
(in North America anyway) they'll probably get vague feelings that Atari 
vanished from the face of the Earth around 1989.

>>How much faster are the SCSI II Harddisks than the IDE-counterpart?
>
>>About TEN TIMES FASTER. (IDE: max. 1 MB per second transfer-ratio. SCSI II
>>max.
>>10 MB per second. SCSI II is therfore MUCH better for use with for example
>>CD-ROM and sound recording even though the IDE can handle
>>Direct-to-HD-recording

If somebody is going to do CD quality sound recording to their hard disk as
a general practice, then they deserve to spend all the money they're going 
to have to blow on bigger and bigger disks.  Wow-eee... I got a whole Pink
Floyd song to fit on my 200MB hard drive... happy happy joy joy.

TEN TIMES FASTER?  Ok... show me a drive that can sustain 13MB/sec and that
the typical schmuck can afford...

>>What is the PRICE-DIFFERENCE between the FALCON and the A4000?
>
>    And the spec-diffrences? I'd compair the falcon to the 16Mhz A3000,
>    about ("about") the same price if you add all the stuff to the falcon
>    to make it comparable, and the only difrence is the DSP.
>
>>The FALCON is $ 2 201 cheeper. O.K the A4000 has an harddisk, but by not
>>suppliing it ATARI gives the costomer the choise of bying a SCSI II or an
>>IDE HD and choose the size of the HD for themselves. You can get good
>>bargains on an HD at a 3rd party dealer. That and the price WILL be an
>>disadvantage for the A4000.
>
>    I really don't think so. What's the hot spot on the PC market today?
>    Whole systems, including monitors, memory, OS, utilities, sometimes even
>    applications, and (you guessed it) a hard disk. So, it's not such a big
>    advantage not to have a hard disk in the deal. Users who don't like to
>    muck around with their machines configuration will want to buy a whole
>    system. Sorry Atari buyers.

Seems true.

>>If you do not think that is a problem, then why did the ST (not STE) sell
>>so much when the Amiga costed only $ 200 more. The Amiga is and was a
>>better machine than the ST so thats no excuse. 
>
>    Yes it does! The ST came out about a month or two before the Amiga,
>    and when introducing machines a month does make a big diffrence.

True.  I remember the dealership I worked at in high school getting them
almost a whole month before the ComputerLand store got their Amigas.

>>They are also launching a new games console in the spring of 93. It has
>>almost the same graphics as the FALCON 030, but without the DSP. AND a
>>64-BIT CPU plus the same sound as the 030. ATARI WILL RULE!!! 

Wow... an Alpha based game machine?  I bet this will play a kick-ass game
of Street Fighter II...

>    I may be a nerd, but I can have a normal conversation for more that
>    a minute or two with another normal person without frothing at the
>    mouth or shouting or... etc. Can you?

But you don't have rabies... hence you can avoid frothing.  :-)

>>(I am just trembling when I think about the nerds revenge, I am sooo
>>scared)
>
>    I saw the movie. Just proves a point I had some time ago. I had a few
>    laughs too. So did my friends, do you have friends?
>
>>Greetings??? from
>
>>Rune Hyldmo
>
>>If you complain about my spelling. Then I will be satisfied, because then
>>you have not much to complain about, and remember I am Norwegian. We got
>>Oil and polarbears are walking in the streets as we speak. No, they are not
>>you dumb asshole.

Well I hope you're having fun with your oil and polar bears, but, uhhh...
how do they fit into this discussion?

>    So? You're spelling is adecuate. What does it have to do with you being
		            ^^^^^^^^^
			    Oh, the humanity!

>    Norweigian? I'm Mexican and I spell ok most of the time.
>
>Salutations.
>
>-Gus
>--
>Gustavo Cordova Avila		| Majoring in Computer Engineering
>al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx	| "...I came from the Desert!!" (Sonora)
>al158305@[131.178.4.10]		| RangerElf @ IRC (usually in #amiga)


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