From: mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool)
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Reply-To: mikepb@lupus.dell.com
Organization: Dell UNIX Support
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:23:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.170909.15482@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.220315.11946@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com writes:
> >In article <1993Jan19.142931.16131@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> >>> 
> >>>      Sorry, Jim, but I plan on continuing to judge people on what they
> >>> DO and DON'T DO; you, no doubt, will continue to judge them based on
> >>> some sort of ideological labelling system, using a method of reasoning
> >>> (to use the word in its loosest sense) that is comprehensible only to
> >>> you. 
> >
> >So, Fred, If I say I am going to come to your house sometime this year and
> >kill your dog, rape you wife/daughter/sister/mother and cut of your cojones
> >and stuff them down your throat, you wouldn't call the police?  If I lived
> >in the same town with you and called you everyday threatening the same
> >thing, you would not take it seriously until I actually did these things?
> 
> No, because in that case your speech itself constitutes a violation of
> law, and hence is 'doing something'.  However, I certainly wouldn't
> claim you had DONE those things if you were talking about them, which
> is apparently the standard that Jim (and you) want to hold Clinton to. 

A president is elected on what he says he will do.  He started backing-off
from what he said he would do, as soon as he was elected.  You elected him
for what he said he would do.  Now that he says he won't, or can't, you still
take him at his original word?  There is reason now, as if there wasn't
before, to dis-believe anything he says.  He has proven that he will say
what it takes to get elected.  This crap about the figures being worse
that anticipated is just that.  The figures have changed little,
percentage-wise, so that his plan, if really sound, would require only
minor alteration.  He, and his staff say, that it must be tossed,
wholesale.  President Clinton told the people what he would do, and he and
his staff now say it can't be done, for whatever reason.  Why do you think
previous presidents haven't done these things if they wuold be so great for
the country and easy to accomplish.  President Clinton's staff, an
extension of himself, are "Threatening" me right now by talking about a
middle-class tax hike.  Can I consider that an action as you have my words
above?
> >
> >>> Because I prefer to wait until they DO it before I claim they've done
> >>> it, Jim.
> >
> >So if someone claims they are going to kill a government official, you
> >wouldn't tell anyone or do anything about it until they actually did it?
> >How callous!
> 
> Once again, in this case claiming this is an action in itself.  I
> would not claim they had actually killed someone until they did it,
> however.  Can you say "stupid an inappropropriate analogy"?  Yeah, I
> thought you could.

Claiming he would not raise taxes for the middle-class.  Claiming that he
would reduce the deficit 50% by 1997.  Claiming that he could fund all
these neat programs.  You do not think this is an action?  It is as much an
action as someone claiming they will do bodily harm do another.  The fact
that he said he would do these things, and now claims they can't be done is
proof that he is either, an incompetant moron who doesn't know what he is
talking about (either now or before or both), or a liar who never intended
to do these things.  And you and others like you, who wanted change, will
find that the only change is the leanings of the Executive branch.  The
deficit will rise, taxes will rise!

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