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From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Beautiful Harley Destruction Scene in Northern xposure
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:25:44 GMT

In article <daved.718993003@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>I hope all the harley-bashers on the net were able to watch last
>nights Northern Exposure episode.
>
>A full dresser Harley is sent full throttle over a cliff, the

	if you saw a full dressed Harley go over the edge, then i must
	have been watching the wrong show.
>
>following slow motion scenes of destruction are just to beautiful
>to describe in words.

	almost brought tears to my eyes.  what a fuckin waste
>
>Perhaps the Harley owner will now be smart enough to buy himself 
>a new BMW/Honda/Yamaha/Kawa to replace his lost bike.

	he didn't lose it.  he trashed it (for a womin, no less)
	and he don't deserve a new one
>
-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: The Dead Battery Problem
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:41:20 GMT

In article <1162@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
|jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
|: (Along the way I learned something they didn't tell us in the MSF class -
|: you can't walk a motorcycle from the side the way you can a bicycle.  If
|: you try, it will fall over.  On the other hand, the technique they taught
|: us for picking up a fallen bike *did* work.  And that's why I bought a bike
|: that already had some dings in it.) 
|	Actually you can walk a motorcycle like a bike, but its just
|	really hard to...My Starter was bad and I had to push start the
|	thing several times. A 700 S NH is sorta heavy for me (140
|	lbs). Just be sure you put your kick stand down, dismount, lift
|	the bike to centerline, raise the kickstand with your right
|	foot and then walk it very carfully. I have found that placing
|	your hand under the leftside grip and pressing up can help to
|	balance the bike if you let it lean towards you just a little.
|	Don't press to far or you'll drop it on the other side...

I usually lean my 1000 quite a ways over onto me when I walk it, especially
backwards.  I do this because the bike is sure to fall over away from me if 
it gets leaned very far that way, but VERY unlikely to fall over on top
of me, and even if it does, I can sacrifice myself to save some plastic. :-)

I walk a bike by leaning it over onto my right hip, standing to the left of
the bike.   The hands are on the handlebars, steering and braking, and pushing.
Careful steering and braking are the keys to keeping the bike under control.

And if I hold the brake while doing it, I have no trouble swinging a leg
over the bike, getting on or off, without the sidestand down.  It just takes
some practice, and balance.

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 10:42:48 GMT

It's very difficult, of course.  Usually the ones you want are the ones you
haven't ridden.  I fell in love with the Jota, but it was puely lust.  I traded
my Z650 for one, 1980, orange and gorgeous but it was an absolute pig in town
where I did most of my riding then.  The gear ratios were all wrong.  I was
always worried about it falling off the stand, I knew I couldn't afford to
repair it and the parts were very expensive.  All the chrome bits needed 
constant attention to keep Mr. Rust from doing his stuff.  I was always
confusing the speedo for the tacho which was rated in hundreds of revs and so
looked _exactly_ the same as the speedo.  And, the CLUTCH!  My god!  It needed
two hands to get the bugger in and you'd be praying that the lights changed
before the fucker let go and sent you wheelie-ing across some damn junction or
other!!!  I was very sad and happy to see it go.  A bit like being Madonna's
boyfriend would feel, I imagine.  Talk about trying to take a tiger for
walkies around the park - "Try not to eat too many children today, tigger 
please".  Anyway, enough of this drivel, here's my stab:


1. Vincent Black Lightning - street legal and "modernised".
  For going to races and rallies on.

2. Latest Triumph Trophy, with panniers and towbar.
  For trundling down to Sainsbury's on.             ( <-- Supermarket. )

3. Silk 700.
  Country road scratchin'.

4. Ducati 888
  Touring and scratchin'.

5. MV Augusta American.           ( <-- spelling from memory.  Please flame.)
  For masturbating over, etc.


Of course, there are loads more I would like, but that will do for now, Santa.


Nick (the graspin' Biker)  MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Premium Bonds Owner


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Being run over by a car.
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.194226.22827@colorado.edu>, devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (Sonja Orlavski) writes:
> OK, maybe I wasn't run over, just run into.
> 
> Friday evening, around 8 pm, I was headed south on Hwy 93, almost to the
> new intersection in Golden (where 93, 6, and 58 all come together).  I
> was southbound in the right thru lane, when this guy in the left thru
> lane turned right.
> 
> Nothing I could do.  Except jump up (and thereby go over the hood).  The


A friend of mine was run over by a car, I mean cager.  We were camping
in the woods and a 4x4 GMC Jimmy went right through our campsite (well,
it's an area were us locals camp and 4-wheel), even ran over the fire pit.
I woke up when I heard the noise and did a quick head count (almost
*literally*) and found one missing buddy.  We gathered him up from under
the truck and took him to the hospital.  He was ok, a few scratches but
nothing busted.  He doesn't camp anymore, maybe cuz his sleeping bag
got trashed.

-- 
 ___________________________________________________________________________
 *****  *   *  From the e-net desk of: Rick Colombo CD/DCD/DSG    *    *
 *      **  *  Fermi Nat'l Acc'l Lab   708-840-8225 Fermilab     * *   *
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 *    Of course I speak for Fermilab, Congress and the President... NOT !!!
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Accident Report
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:04:43 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article<1bh5mqINN1ff@rodan.UU.NET>smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield) writes:
	[wipe-out due to cager deleted]
>Only damage was more scuffing of the engine cover on the left side, which
>had been scuffed up to begin with, and my brand new clutch lever now
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	No it wasn't. As of the moment of impact with the cager, that engine
	cover was in *perfect* condition. 

	Actually, wasn't it gold plated....

-------
"Don't believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear."  -  Lou Reed
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corsica  |    NYC, NY.|
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parking law
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:43:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu


I think it's time for you to go talk to a laywer.  And for said lawyer
to draft a nice friendly letter, suggesting that they cease and desist
their harrassment of you.  It's amaizing how well that works with
landlords.

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: devin@frodo.Colorado.EDU (Sonja Orlavski)
Subject: Being run over by a car.
Summary: Idiot turned into (and practically over) my bike.
Keywords: wreck wreck ouch pain sadness damage
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:42:26 GMT

OK, maybe I wasn't run over, just run into.

Friday evening, around 8 pm, I was headed south on Hwy 93, almost to the
new intersection in Golden (where 93, 6, and 58 all come together).  I
was southbound in the right thru lane, when this guy in the left thru
lane turned right.

Nothing I could do.  Except jump up (and thereby go over the hood).  The
little bike (1969 Honda CB350) is totalled.  My helmet, leather jacket,
and gauntlets all need replacing.  I don't seem to be seriously injured,
though I'll reserve judgement on that until I get my neck, head and back
checked by an orthopod.  My pelvis (which I was worried about, since that's
where I landed first and hardest) doesn't appear to be broken, though I
haven't heard back from the radiologist who's reading my X-rays.

His insurance company is being pretty cool so far.  Though I had to chase
lots of paperwork through the company (via about 10 phone calls over 2 days).
They rented me a car yesterday so I'd have some transportation.  I'm supposed
to get together with the adjuster on Thurs to discuss a settlement.  Since
I've got all of seven witnesses, who all filed police statements, I don't
think it'll be a problem.  I am planning on having my lawyer check the
settlement agreement over before I sign anything, though.

Anyway, in the end, it's mostly a serious annoyance, and a sad goodbye to that
little green bike.  *sigh*

				-D

--
Devin Hooker (RP90)  (SotM 7/91)  DoD #0034  devin@boulder.colorado.edu  ------
"It's being both that's a bitch."                                      --\--- /
"I wanted to take my brain to hell and back and see what I had left."  \  \ //
"This howling in the distance, it's a captivating sound.                \  \/
        Can't tell if it's ecstasy or pain..."  -DW                      \/
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: 93 CBR600 seat, 92 GSXR11 seats, for sale
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:40:45 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

I replaced the stock seats with Corbins.
I have 2 seats both brand new perfect and stock. For a 93 CBR600 and
a 92 GSXR1100.
$50 each plus shipping.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: harsh@ecerl2.ece.ncsu.edu (Harsh Potlapalli)
Subject: Re: Which Side To Mount?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:46:05 GMT

In article <1bj22rINNcom@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
>In a previous article, harsh@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (Harsh Potlapalli) said:
>:- Since this thread had come up, I have one observation of one rider (me).
>
>	what kind of bike did you ride in india? if it was one of the

(head check to make sure nobody's listening; in whispers)

a v-e-s-p-a for about 4 years. then an ind-suzuki 100cc for 4 years.

-harsh


From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:55:35 GMT
Subject: Re: saving a battery
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

> In article <jb02837@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
> > 
> > The clincher is this:  Should I just bite the bullet and buy a new battery or
> > is there any way I can save this old one for another couple of weeks until
> > the fundage is better equipped to handle the expense of a battery?
> 
> anticipating ron miller's answer, i would say go ahead and splurge:
> buy your bike a new battery.  it'll keep you from fucking up your
> charging system.
> 
> -- bob pasker
> -- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
> --

Ah heck, bob, you spoil my fun.

Some netters claim to have experience with battery additives or "rejuvinators".
I think I recall that these are doses of EDTA or some majic elixir.
If you're too tight to buy a new battery, you could try these  things before
you buy a new battery. :-)

Maybe you're suffering from a smoke deficiency in the system?

Ron
From: klash@bcars658.bnr.ca (Karl Klashinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: calling mature riders
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:30:57 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.
In-reply-to: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu's message of 27 Sep 92 17:50:39 GMT


Can't give my personal experience, but the father of one of my
biker-scum buddies from out west first swung a leg over a motorcycle
at the tender young age of 66.  Last time I heard, he owned 3 bikes
(he had four, at one point).

--
Karl Klashinsky                          Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.
INTERNET:  klash@hobbes.bnr.ca           Ottawa, Ont, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: ok, who's pretending to be STUPID... (
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:16:07 GMT

In <1asut0INNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>larger the engine, the greater the risk.  Also, Jay Leno wannabes
>buying Harleys are not the only problem, there are plenty of wannabes
>around, and a huge number of them wannabe Eddie Lawson.

  Hey, I'm an Eddie Lawson wannabe. What's wrong with that? Hell, in my
dreams I _AM_ Eddie Lawson.
                           
                           Jorg



>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
>DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
> (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shinh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Shinjiro Hirose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: backfiring
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:41:49 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Mass General Hospital NMR Imaging Center

I have a new, relatively annoying development with my Honda
CB750_F.  When I downshift or coast in gear, I get lots of
little backfires.  It only happens when I close the throttle
all the way though.  Any Ideas as to what this could mean?

I pulled the plugs; they were uniformly kinda light-grey
with whitish deposits.  I'm not sure what this means either.

The backfiring stared occurring after I:

(1) adjusted the cam chain; this involves loosening
    a few bolts and letting the automatic adjusters 
    do the adjusting

(2) torqued the cylinderhead nuts

Could my "maintenance" have caused my backfiring?
Is it because it has gotten colder in Boston recently?

I understand that backfiring is caused my unburnt fuel igniting
post-exhaust valve.  This sounds like my bike is running rich.
According to people on the net, the CB750's tend to run lean(?). 

Any ideas/comments would be greatly appreciated.
-- 
====================================================================

Shin Hirose
shinh@nmr-r.mgh.harvard.edu
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cereal for Breakfast
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]     Orange juice- (vodka optional) ;-) 

you've got this thing for orange, don't you ken. I hope the color of your
juice is a little better than the color of your bike :-)

-- 
     "92 BMW K100RS"                                 J.S.
  "DOD #306 AMA #123456"                      Tandem, Austin, TX
    "No Cage, Thanks"                        joe@rider.cactus.org
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Re: Bzzzzt!  Was: How to break-in new rings?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.001943.13872@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) 
writes:
> What exactly is Bon Ami?  I thought it was some kind of soap or 
something.

Well, yea, it is.  Half the fun is watching the bubbles come out the 
exhaust pipes. 

Actually, though, Bon Ami is a scouring powder for kitchen and bathroom 
fixtures.  It is made from finely ground feldspar, a mineral that is 
harder than steel and porcelain.  For years, the company advertised the 
motto - never scratched yet- and used a baby chick as a logo.  Of course, 
the stuff was an abrasive and it scratched in a big way,  and left a 
semi-gloss finish from microscopic scratches.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: ok, who's pretending to be STUPID... (
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:33:29 GMT

In article <1b1i7uINNrbh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 607@elektro.cmhnet.org, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>>>
>>>The main drawback of the increased popularity of motorcycling is that
>>>rec.motorcycles SNR is increasing  :^) at an exponential rate.
>>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Bzzzzztt!!  Ed:  do you *really* mean more signal and less noise ???
>>                 The world wonders.
>
>See my reply to Ravi's post where he mistakenly used that term.  This
>was a reference to that.
>

Which was:
 >>>>    Ravi:
 >>>>	i am one of those
 >>>>	people who doesnt read this newsgroup (the snr is too high).  
 >>>Ed:
 >>>A succinct and laconic analysys!  This group need more noise!
 >>>

My point was that you got on Ravi for misapplication of term snr, and
you were correct.  However, you then turned around and pulled the same
misuse yourself.  Seems to me that less signal and more noise means
that the snr is decreasing ??  Anyhoo, we for sure have less signal
and more noise recently.

>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
>DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
> (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
>


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

           [   3 cats:  1 cat over quota and 1 dog under quota   ] 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous M/C Engine swaps (was Re: Faster 1100)
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 16:54:59 GMT

Thorick Chow (thorick@sybase.com) wrote:
: In article <Bv5AuE.Lrz@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:: >Motorcyclist has done a few write-ups (and one test ride) on a company called: >Boss Hog that makes small block Chevy 350 powered Harleys.  It uses a tranny
:                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 
: slower minds wants to know...   How can a Chevy powered bike be considered
: to be called a "Harley" ?
: 
: -t.c.

     It all depends on whether they started with a Harley and
just changed the engine. I once put a 383 Chrysler hemi engine
in a '52 Plymouth. The result was a very quick Plymouth, not a
real small Chrysler.
   Now, what would you call a Hodaka Road Toad if it had a
GE turbo jet engine?


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	"The only substitute for cubic inches is more cubic inches"
			Racer Brown  1954
=====================================================================
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kawasaki
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:47:12 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <3992@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@atcc5.UUCP (Tod J Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.125441.10025@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>>
>>I am thinking about purchasing a
>>1983 Kawaski (sp?) LTD 550.  The purchase price is going to be
>>
>>Rob Castro
>
>Bob;
>
>	Let me say right off the bat that it is a rare occasion when I
>editorialize on the net. Normally I keep to myself and only provide the
>net usefull and insightful information from research libraries all across
>this great land of ours. Upon reading your request for advice about the
>purchase of a new bike, let me say this; 
>
>You can't spell Kawasaki?????
>

I was once engaged in a conversation with a man from Japan.  The
topic turned to motorcycles...  He kept telling me that in Japan
he owned a certain bike, I couldn't make out the name for the
longest time, until on the 5th hearing I realized that he was
saying:
		Kawas'ki

and I thought "OH, he means 'Kawasaki'"


other little tidbit...  the "Katana" which most people pronounce
	as ka-TAN-a

in Japanese is more like kata-NA with the accent on the last syllable...
I'm sure that Al Bowers could run a list a mile long of such things  :-)


-t.c.



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:12:17 GMT
Organization: Array Microsystems, Colorado Springs, CO. USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

zaphod@lamar.ColoState.EDU wrote:
: In article <1992Sep30.060617.9179@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
: >In article <973@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com> jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
: >>alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
: >>
: >>>In article <1992Sep22.171217.26263@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
: 
: >>>I'd drink to that, but this damned face shield is in the way.
: 
: >>Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
: >>consume liquid refreshments while suited up?

Go down to the local place that handles dirt stuff and pick up a Camelback(tm).
The work well for non-carbonated type beverages.

: Sounds really simple to me!  Don't wear a helmet  8^).
: 
: Mike Kennedy		'92 Springer


  O                
 <M> MerfMan 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Idiot bicycle races on non-closed courses (was Re: ignore - test)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:25:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.135221.14729@progress.com> matth@progress.COM
(Matthew J. Harper) writes:
>  I don't know what the laws are in CA.  I do know that in the 5 states I have
>lived in it is legal for cyclists to ride *no more than* two abreast.

In California a bicyclist who's riding slower than the normal
speed of traffic has to stay as close practicable to the
right-hand edge of the roadway except when passing or
preparing for a left turn.  Riding two abreast is not
legal.

>  As far as I'm concerned cyclists should be given moving violations just as
>Motorcyclists do.

Agreed.

>The laws are on the books, but they are never (well, almost
>never) enforced.

Maybe not where you live...
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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