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From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Subject: fun problem No.4: for gamblers
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:04:30 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: fun problem No.4: for gamblers
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Keywords: 

The following problem tests how good a gambler you are:

Rule: two gamblers take turns putting quarters on a round table. The
only restraint is that the quarters can't overlap, completely or partially.
The quarters don't have to be wholly on the surface of the table, by this
I mean you can put a quarter on the edge of the table, with part of it in the
air, as long as it does not fall. As they keep going like this, one of them
will find that he has no room for his quarter any more when it is his turn,
then this guy will be the loser, and will lose all the quarters on the table.

Question: If the gamblers throw a coin to decide who is to put the first
quarter on the talbe, is there any way you can guarantee to win if you
get the chance to put the first quarter?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Meng
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A situation puzzle
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:41:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:

>I guess on a raining day, he can reach by his umbrella.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What if he forgets his umbrella or he uses a raincoat instead?
ZZZ
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: chinese manifest destiny
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:31:02 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Boston University

In article <1i7pm8INNjh@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.4298.41393@dosgate> "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>>China is doing fine on the GNP part, not the school part..... wonder why?
>
>FYI, China is also doing fine on education considering the economic
>status of current China.

But the key is that China needs to promote education, as well as
her economy. 

>self congratulation deleted)
>the elementry education is madatory in China. With a population of
>1.2 billion, the literay rate is > 75%.

Reference? I doubt your number. So-called mandatory elementry education
is far away from being enforced, you may contact HOPE in China or SOS
in USA for more information.

>(self congratulation deleted)
>Do not equate government expenditure on education to 
>emphasizing education! Its the result that counts.

According to recent news, NanCong local government had no money to
pay the teachers of elmentary schools and middle schools. About
100 headmasters of these schools have handed in their resignation.
Money counts, though not the only thing which counts.

>I think you probably
>become too much of a "Banana"!!!

Though I usually disagree with Micky Wong, I don't think name-calling
can help.

-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Subject: Re: Yet another problem
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:06:27 GMT

In <1h8769INNef9@GIRAFFE.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> feng-thomas@cs.yale.edu (Thomas Zuwei Feng) writes:


>All right, seems you guys are all good at solving problems.  So here's a
>good one:

>Definition.  A rectangle is called INTEGRAL if it has a pair of sides with
>integeral length.

>Proposition.  Suppose that a rectangle can be covered by finitely many
>disjoint integral sub-rectangles, then itself is integral.

I assume by "a pair" you mean the opposite sides,
otherwise it is really trivial.
I saw a proof using complex integral,
but I am not sure if there is an elementary proof.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hchen@csvaxd.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Wanted: Chinese Word Processor Supporting HP LaserJet Printing
Organization: Cleveland State University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:33:33 GMT

In article <ljhbvoINNsrr@nada.cs.utexas.edu>, f254@cs.utexas.edu (Fall Class Account) writes:
> I am looking for a free/shareware Chinese word-processor for IBM PC that
> supports printing using HP LaserJet (series II). (or if there is one for
> mac, that would do to.)
> Could someone please tell me the name of such software?
> 
> p.s. I am sorry if this is in FAQ.
you can FTP 192.55.187.25 in the subdir of src/pc.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rqin@engr
Subject: Look for Zhang(1) Nai(3) Su(4)
Summary: Look for Zhang(1) Nai(3) Su(4)
Keywords: Look for Zhang(1) Nai(3) Su(4)
Reply-To: Rqin@engr.mun.ca
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:01:58 GMT

Dear netters:

    I am looking for Zhang(1) Nai(3) Su(4) from Harbin. He graduated from
Harbin Institute of Technology 7861 class in 1982. He came to USA in 1986. He
might study in the Electrical Engineering at the Michgan State Univ.(?).

    Any information about him will be appriciated. Please forward the
information to 

    Rqin@engr.mun.ca

    Thank you in advance.

Qin(2) Rui(4) Feng(1)
in Canada

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hu@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Min Hu)
Subject: Re: Looking for possible investment
Keywords: investment
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:10:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.142732.24029@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>hu@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Min Hu) writes:
>
>>HI, 
>>Urgent investment around $3million (yes, that is the number) needed for 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>a very well located project in China. Interested people are welcomed to
>>this acount or at followings:
>
>>tel: (416) 928-1403
>>fax: (416) 928-9319
>
>>Any information related to possible investors are also welcomed. I will 
>>direct you to Chinese part.
>
>>Thanx
>
>>HU MIN
>
>I don't think there are many venture capitalists in this group but if
>you cross-post your message to alt.suckers, you will get a better response.
>-- 
>John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)   
On the contradictory, I have got some responses from this group. But I have found nothing
from alt.suckers, especially alt.suckers.ho's.mother. Thanx for not so bad and not so good
suggestion anyway.

HU MIN from Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:32:28 GMT

In article <105371@bu.edu> yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu) writes:
>>	Please argue with him in a logical way. Bringing up a 
>>	surgeon doesn't make sense in the argument.
>>
>
>Just a sense of humor. Nobody will think it in logical way. The point
>is you can't deny your Chinese blood whether you admit it or not. If 
>you don't like it, I'll use direct argument later. 

Fine. Let's not use such "sense of humor". It's kind of offensive.

>>If you still have doubt, let me give you an example: Ask George Bush
>>if he is a Britain. Of course he would say he is not. He'd say he is
>>an American. Now would you tell him to change something in his body
>>so that tomorrow morning when he shows up in White House, everybody 
>>will be happy to know the President is American, not Britain?
> 
>Wrong comparison! 
>USA and Canada are no doubt independent countries. But Taiwan is 
>still called Republic of China, please pay attention to word "China". 
>Then why you are not Chinese? The key point Heng-Hsin made is that 
>ROC is already dead. He don't acknowledge ROC. 

Yeah. It's a wrong comparison in many aspects: George Bush is white
while Heng-Hsin Liao is not; Bush is US President, while Liao is not;
Liao knows how to post Usenet news, while Bush doesn't; Also I should
have used "British" instead of "Britain"...

I shouldn't have given you this wrong comparison. :)

>As I already said in the previous posters, ROC government is an 
>elected government. This is the choice made by the majority of 
>Taiwan people. They still want the word "China" to be in their 
>country name. It is not the right way to deny a  government when 
>you lost an election. I understand that Taiwan authority  was not 
>democratic several year ago. There may be some reason to deny it 
>then, but there is no reason to deny an elected government no matter 
>how you don't like it. The only way to succeed your course is win 
>election in a democratic society.

I don't have problem with the above statement since I'm neither
TIer nor CCPer. Hope your "you" doesn't mean me.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:30:47 GMT

In article <105980@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>I am not. A few years ago, they played the same trick before. They
>claimed how Prof. Wu JiaiPing admired QiGong. Prof. Wu had to pay
>from his own pocket to advertize that he did not even attend the
>QiGong lecture at all.

Yan Xin said he has 60 million audience in China. Each time he
gave "lecture", people had to pay over thousand Yuan to attend.
If what he did was merely cheating, does this constitute the
crime of fraud? Not even to mention he uses many big names. He
claimed that George Bush greeted him many times in White House 
(considering Bush is a politician, this could be true :-).

>QiGong (magic kind), Boxer Movement, Big leap Forward, and Culture
>Revolution, are very special symptom of Chinese culture. We are
>very specially subject to cheating, why?

And looking at the believers (many are indeed Ph. D.'s, even
professors), I am somewhat shocked.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: What happened to the Long March?
Keywords: Rocket
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:10:07 GMT

In article <8228@news.duke.edu> feng@phy.duke.edu (Yutao Feng) writes:
>Anyone knows the detail about what actually happened to the Chinese rocket
>Long March II, lauching the Australia communications satellite?
>Peter Jennings said on ABC last night that the satellite was lost. But didn't
Correct diagnosis should be "radio cotact" with the sattelite failed.
According to China side "all parameters" for the launching were correct, rest
of what happened should be American's side work.
>give details. The Long March is said to have a 100% success rate in the past,
>as I heard from the chinese official media. 
>
>-- 
>	Yutao Feng ~{7kSpLN~}		Tel.(919)660-2644
>	 ~{6E?K4sQ'No@mO5~} FEL Lab	Email: feng@phy.duke.edu
From: wshi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Weiping Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Two puzzles
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:52:47 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas


>In article <1992Dec22.094119.17293@dxcern.cern.ch> sijin@dxcern.cern.ch (Sijin Qian) writes:
>(2) Draw a straight line between 2 intersections of the 2 circles.

You cannot draw straight line.

In <1074@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:

>an approximate solution:

You have to get exact solution in finite number of steps.

Actually, there is a general result that anything can be done
with a compass and a straight edge can be done by
a compass only.  This puzzle is a special case.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Hus Fu and the Japanese
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:55:01 GMT

In article <1hbcbgINNmou@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>I don't understand what the fuss is about.  It's obvious to anyone that the
>Japanese are predominantly of East Asian descent, not Polynesian or 
>Caucasian.  Japanese assert their difference from the Chinese because of the
>difference in linguistics.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^

This argument is often used.  I have seen one or two articles that
extrapolate that Japanese brain works differently because of the writing
system's mix of symbolic characters (kanji) and phonetic characters (kana).

It may be true.  So, I have nothing to argue up to that point.  However,
what I find interesting is that no one, so far, succeeded in isolating
Koreans from Japanese in this type of scientific-sounding arguments.  In
fact, when I read an article like this, I wait for the final twist that
will shake Koreans off and leave Japanese only at the end.  But it did not
happen.

So, if I were to believe in those theories, Koreans remain just as unique
and different as Japanese in many key aspects.  To tell you the truth, it
is very comforting to know that my brain works in such a unique way, and I
like what I hear.  Until they dump me off the ship based on my last name, I
shall remain a member of the unique people.

James Choi
From: huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Newwer China
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:01:45 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

In article <C09At7.6BJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.203145.13153@topaz.ucq.edu.au> huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>>1. About one week ago, Chinese government ordered the French consulate in
>>   Guangzhou to be closed, responding France selling 50 fighters to Taiwan.
>>          
>>      -- I thought:"Right! But no enough!"
> 
> If you view yourself as a Chinese, rather than just a "mainland
> Chinese", you really shouldn't get too upset about Taiwan buying a
> few planes.                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^
	I am not upset about Taiwan's buying, but I am too upset about 
France's selling. 
 
> As Chinese, we should feel equally for other Chinese,
> be they mainland, Taiwan, or Hong Kong, and we should learn to
> view independently of the mainland-Taiwan (or mainland-Hong Kong)
> disputes. 

	French do. Their selling is purely business issue, 
just for money. How "independently" do they!!!

> The disputes themselves are complicated issues, maintaining
> a proper military ballance across the Taiwan Strait may or may not
> be such a bad thing. But one thing is for sure: we shouldn't let 
> ourselves be taken into the gulf of political divisions so easily.
> 
	This is Chinese own business. Foreign powers must keep away. 
There are so many chances they can put finger in, so watch them out.

> 
>   Ya-Gui Wei
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: u333057@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
Subject: We Taiwanese have won this general election..
Organization: Computer Center, NCU, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:38:15 GMT

    The general legislature election had been ended last Saturday(19/12).The Tai
wan ruling party KMT lost this election.The Democracy Progress Party(DPP)won 
this election.102 new legislators are KMT's,50 new legislators are DPP's,9 are 
other party's or no party.
    Although KMT is still the ruling party,but they(KMT)lost many of Taiwan 
electorate's votes.About 31% votes are voted to DPP,DPP won the best votes & 
seats in any election than before.They(DPP)have about 18 seats legislators 
before this election ,but this increases to 50 seats for DPP!Because the ruling 
party KMT have many faults this year,so they got lower votes.It's a serious 
warning for KMT.If the ruling party go on doing many things wrong,they will be 
down & the ruling party will be changed.
    I think it's the real democrary.Which party is better,people will want them 
up.And if the ruling party is bad,couldn't satisfy us citizens,we'll let them 
down & chang the ruling party.We could chose the ruling party by our own votes.
No one(including govenment,ruling party,army force etc)could interfere our 
choices.
    We Taiwanese have told all over the world that we could have good real 
democracy on our own.We have the newest congress,& we'll chose our own presiden 
t by our own.
    When will you Chinese chose your own government by your own?
                               Tsao Yi-Wen(A university student in Taiwan)
                                          (Please forgive my poor English..)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Jiang Zeming's Funny Slogan.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 03:34:05 GMT

In article <19121@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In article <C0719G.39B@ulowell.ulowell.edu> (1 Jan 1993) Chunde Shi
>writes,
>
>> Please give evidence for it [Jiang Zeming once asked his son to stay in
>> America].  It would not take a genius to fabricate, most often a fool
>> most likely to advance those kinds of fabrications.
>
>    After Deng Xiaoping's son gave him an American grandson and became the
                                      ************************
1. Is that different subject?
2. born in U.S., means a U.S. citizen. I know he/she could. Peoplej came to
this country to study, are normally in birthing age, giving birth to a child
in this country, does not necessaily(some do) he wants his child to be
american.
3. Want to betray your country? That is your problem. Do not try to drag
others with you, make it look like you are just doing your "righteous"
share of trashing China.
>vice-president of the Zhengda Group, with a Physics Ph.D., only a fool won't
>figure out what those Gaogan's sons are doing.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Jiang Zeming's Funny Slogan.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:16:34 GMT

In article <C0719G.39B@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>Please give evidence for it. It would not take a genieus to fabericate, most
>often a fool most likely to advance those kinds of faberications.

No evidence. People who was close to his son said and we believed it.
It is up to the CCP Disciplinary Committee (Ji Wei) to find out the
detail:-). Given the fact that Deng Zhifan had child born is USA,
I doubt they will do it when Deng Xiaoping is still alive. 

By the way, I agree with one netter who said such is not a big deal. Why
should people have leaders who are perfect in everything? My point is:
do not take any political slogan or politician seriously. Sometimes,
they have to say so. Maybe they are just joking themselves:-).

Does anyone in the net know where is Jiang's son Jiang Mian now? 
He should have already graduated from Drexel University.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: vince@digibd.com (Vince Mar)
Subject: Re: West Gingseng for Sale
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:46:51 GMT

furonhao@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rowggen Fu) writes:


>The followong is a message of a friend, please allow a few days			for response if you email me.							-------------------------------------------------------------------------------




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When you posting this to the net, don't you think the people want
to know a little bit more detail: such as head-count per pound, implanted
or not, etc.  Be sure compare apple to apple.

I was in Chicago's China Town last weekend and happen to know 1/4 lb
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DigiBoard, Digi International Inc.              
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From: lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: pinyin reform
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:37:58 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1h4hn5INNmhn@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>From article <1h3u3kINNpms@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, by lug@oak.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu):
>> You may not  believe that a well trained Han Zi typing person can beat
>> an English counterpart.
>
>That is surprising, given that a typist trained for an alphabetic writing
>system need not lift his or her eyes from the text being copied, and can
>type faster than speech, and much faster than handwriting.
>
>What input method for hanzi was used?  Where does this study appear?
With a two stroke input method (where most of the frequently used
characters are encoded with two letters), then it takes two keystrokes
to enter a Chinese character. Chinese phrase is usually two characters
and that is a total of four keystorkes. Assume this is equivalent to
an English word which is about 5 letters long, then typing Chinese
should be faster than English. IBM Japan has done experiments to
confirm this.

It should be pointed out using ShuangPin (where the consonant is
encoded by one letter and the vowel by another) without tone and
in phrase input is equivalent to two stroke input method.
 

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