HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Time Travel and Causality Violation
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:27:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <BCR.92Dec17214540@hfl3sn02.cern.ch>, bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:
|> You might also add temporal terrorists to your list.

Assuming that paradoxes are impossible, then time terrorism is not a particularly
useful sort of thing to do (they couldn't change anything anyhow).

|> Along the same lines, we can also argue that any culture that doesn't develope
|> a high respect for the environment will also destroy itself.  So it is not
|> unreasonable to expect future cultures will also protect the past with environ-
|> mental laws long before temporal tourists or temporal archaelogists become a
|> problem.  Both might still exist, but they would be required not to harm the
|> past.

Problem the future is *long*, and cultures are unstable - but technology can often
outlast the originating culture.  So even *if* the culture that invents time
travel has such laws, it seems unlikely that *all* future cultures having access
to such technology would maintain these laws.

|> So, I'll agree this argument does severly limit when, and what sort of time
|> travel will be possible. ...  However,
|> your brother's argument far from eliminates the possability of time travel.

Well, actually I came up with a way around it myself.

What if the mechanism of time travel generates a 'repulsion' effect around the
time transfer trace, so that no more than *one* time travel event is possible to
any given space-time zone - you only get to send *one* team to Dallas, 1964.
Oh, you might manage to get another to Kansas City, and others to other major
cities, from which locations they could take standard airline flights to Dallas
(and back for the pick-up).  The result is a *severe* limitation on the number
of people you could get in to any one event.  And the further back in time,
and the less capable the local transport, the fewer people you could get to any
place.

Indeed, if the *entire* travel trace is repulsive you could even get shadow
effects where certain time-places are inaccessible even *without* there being
a team there.

-- 
sarima@teradata.com			(formerly tdatirv!sarima)
  or
Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
From: matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford)
Subject: Re: Do starships collapse when flying near c?
Organization: The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:18:28 GMT

> >re: "Does this mean then that the ship flying at the "right" speed will fall
> >into a black hole (ie, the rest of the universe)?"
> 
> Bruce Maynard:
> >Nonono... the "gained mass", is actually the energy aquired relative to other
> >objects via HAVING such a high speed... there *is NO* "actual" mass gained
> >(and therefore no additional gravitational attraction!)
> 
Bill England:
>   BZZZT!  Sorry but it really all depends on where you are standing.  The
>   extra mass is quite real and will  distort space/time. 

BZZzZZzzZZZzZZZT!!!!  Thank you for playing.  The so-called "extra
mass" is *not* mass.  However, gravity couples to the energy-momentum
4-vector (the components of which will be large) through the the
stress-energy tensor.
__________________________________________________________
Matt Crawford       matt@severian.chi.il.us       Java Man
From: mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Time tourists, time police and Fermi's Paradox
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:14:07 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <alien.022a@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> Ross Smith writes:
>In article <1632@tdat.teradata.COM> Stan Friesen writes:
>>
>>If it is possible why aren't we up to our ears in temporal archaeologists and
>>time tourists?
>
>For a *really* nasty twist on this sort of theme, hunt down a short story
>called "Let's Go to Golgotha" ... damn, I've forgotten the author's name :-(

Garry Kilworth.  BTW, I've always had problems with 'Time Police' stories
where unauthorised time travellers are hunted down and brought back for
trial.  So Dallas '63 is filled with illicit tourists PLUS the temporal
cops, and this is supposed to *help*?

Merry Christmas Everybody
-- 
 ',' ' ',','  |                                                  |  ',' ' ',','
   ', ,','    |       Del Cotter       mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk      |    ', ,','  
     ','      |                                                  |      ','    
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From: arromdee@godel.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: The Marching Morons (was Re: Cindy the Disco Queen)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:42:04 GMT

In article <pete.725954816@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
>>The technology needed is a simple one.  Build bomb, hold bomb over head of
>>smarter country, announce that the sterility is an act of war (which indeed it
>>is) and you'll drop the bomb unless they both reverse it and give you half
>>their gross national product in compensation.  (And plenty of memes which
>>otherwise don't encourage science encourage violence.)
>Hmm. Okay let's dump the education criterion. An unknown group produce
>a strain of influenza that sterilizes the human race. First world
>nations race to find a cure. After some time they find one ...
>Such a cure is a commodity, and the folk who come up with it will be more
>than happy to sell it. But overpopulated countries will only be able to afford
>so much, and then if they do scrape together the funds to fertilize themselves
>again, well, that unknown group releases another sterilizing flu strain ...

The solution by the overpopulated country is quite similar: start dropping the
bombs (or for that matter, just use the excess population as soldiers).  "Give
us all we need, for free, or else you vanish in a mushroom cloud."  It doesn't
matter that in this case it's a private group producing the sterility virus
and an unaffiliated country producing the cure--extorting the cure out of them
works regardless.

For that matter, your proposal may encourage countries to take over the whole
world--a lot harder to have secret recombinant DNA factories in a world
dictatorship....
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Re: For Sale:  Dr. Who Paperbacks
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:42:43 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA


 I have a boxful (approximately 60-70) paperbacks, most of which have never
been read. Most of them are 3rd or Fourth doctor stories, with a few
earlier than that. None later than 5th doctor. I will sell them for $4
apiece. Please email with any specific requests, and I will respond & tell
you if I have the book. 

-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Re: 1976 Star Trek (NCC-1701) TOS blueprints, $100
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:44:50 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

Good God.  And I just gave my set (along with my Star
Wars bluprints from '77) to my 12-year-old daughter. Hope
she enjoys them. :)

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 22:15:03 EST
From: AMIGA <344RPBT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: star trek books and mags

I have the following magazines forsale

Prevue feb/apr 87 interview with Leonard Nimoy
MAD   june 87     star trek IV
enterprise incidents special collectors edition #2
enterprise incidents july 84
enterprise incidents mar84  #15
enterprise incidents jan 85
enterprise incidents apr 84
starlog #18 dec   star trek monster make-up
starlog #10 dec   star trek report
starlog #134 sept Denise Crosby
starlog #14 june  Star trek cancellation comedy
starlog #138 jan
fantastic films #39 may 1984      sneak preview STIII
fantastic films #30 august 1982   behind the scenes STII
fantastic films #40 july 1984     interview Leonard Nimoy

I am looking for Star Trek Books and Mags in trade
From: CS.LRM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Luis Mejia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: VARGA for sale
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:00:35 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

VARGA for sale

Title: FIRST LOVE
Medium: 14 color continuous tone lithograph
Edition No.: 39/200
Year 1986

Replacement Value: $12,000
Asking Price: $9,750

"First Love" was the first Varga Girl published in Esquire in
October 1940.  Esquire Varga Girls accompanied G.I.'s in battle in
WWII.  Original painting courtesy of the Esquire Collection, Spencer
Museum of Art, The University of Kansas.

For Certificate of Authenticity and additional information call:

Ruben Mejia
(916) 573-1610
From: cj137@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Jeffries)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: *** GOLD KEY STAR TREK COMICS!!! ***
Date: 31 Dec 1992 14:52:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


FOR SALE:

GOLD KEY STAR TREK COMICS #43 Mint $10
                          #48 NM   $10
                          #57 Mint $10
                          #58 Mint $10
                          #59 Mint $10

also..

Scene Magazine Star Trek IV cover issue , Mint $8
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Wild Card Novels For SAle
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.art.sf.marketplace
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:27:36 GMT

I have Volume 1-9 of the Wild CArd novels and since I need bookshelf
space, these books have to be sold. I'm reluctant to seel them at a
local bookstore and get robbed so if someone would like to buy them from
me, that would be cool.

They atre all in good shape and I would like about $25-$30 for them +
pay for , say half, of the shipping and handling.  I think that's fair,
but I might be willing to negotiate.

*************************************************************************
* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
************************************************************************

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From: jamull01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Joseph A. Muller)
Subject: Mattel Shogun Warriors for sale
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:48:39 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

 
   I have four Shogun Warriors for sale to the highest bidder.  For the
 uninformed these were put out by Mattel in the late 70's and manufactured
 in Japan by Bandia.  They are in EXCELLENT conidtion and I still have the
 original boxes (although not in as good condition as the toys themselves :)
 These currently list for $150 *apeice*, but as I mentioned earlier I will
 sell them to the highest bidder.  Serious offers only please.  I could easily
 get $100/each for these at my local flea market but I thought I might give
 some other collectors out there a chance to pick these up.  I have the 
 following for sale:
		     Magzinga
		     Raydeen
		     Gaiking
		     Daimos
All four toys have movable arms and heads and feature missle launchers, 
launchable arms, swords, etc.  I also have a Godzilla Shogun Warrior, but I
do not yet have a listing for it.  

Send all replies via e-mail.
From: miken@west.darkside.com (Michael Nowicki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Sci-Fi figures for sale
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:44:13 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM


               Science Fiction Figures for Sale
               --------------------------------

   These large size figures were built up from model kits, painted
and extensively detailed to museum quality. Except for the Alien
figure, all were built by Maxon Stouder, a former Hollywood movie
model builder and prop artist ( now deceased ).
   I hired him about a year ago to build about a dozens kits to 
perfection+ and now I want to thin out some of figures (I like 
spaceships more). The prices listed are less than what I paid to have 
them built plus the cost of the kit.
  All of these figures are of high enough quality and detail that 
they could have been used in the actual films for special effect 
scenes.


        
Rocketeer ( Screemin Models, 1/4 scale, vinyl, 18" tall )
  
   Has a removable helmet that reveals the human face in very realistic 
detail which very much looks like the actor and the eyes has a definate 
presence in them.
  His leather jacket and boots are a slightly weatherworn brown and his 
pants are medium grey-blue. The leather jacket has detailed brass 
buttons. 
  He's holding a Broomhandle Mauser pistol as in the scene from the 
movie. 
His jetpack is detailed in silver, gold and brass colors.        $125.00



Robocop ( Horizon Models, 1/6 scale, vinyl, 12" tall )

   From the original movie. Has a removable helmet that reveals a highly 
detailed Murphy human face. The joints all swivel and he's holding a long 

pistol in his right hand.
  The color scheme matches the movie version exactly. His silver metal
suit has smooth semi-gloss metal look with flat black and glossy black
detailing of his joints and gloves.                      $95.00



Terminator ( Horizon, T-800 Endoskeleton, 1/5 scale, vinyl,16" tall )

   If you saw the original movie, this is it. Painted a semi-gloss
silver color with a smooth metal-like appearance. His eye sockets
have red LED's in them. A wire runs out of the left heel which can
be connected to to a battery to make his eyes light up.
   He stands on a removable wire frame stand with a circular base and
his limbs can be moved a little to achieve a walking pose.   $85.00




Alien ( Halcyon HT-01 Alien Warrior 1/5 scale, vinyl, 17" tall )

   All the joints are moveable (head, arms, legs, tail) so the figure 
can be posed. The inner jaws can be retracted or fully out. The head 
has the smooth domed top like the critter in ALIEN or the dome can be 
removed to reveal a knurled head like the critter in ALIENS. The tail 
is slightly curved and measures over 18" long.
   The body is mostly painted a semi-flat blackish-grey with some light 
silver-blue highlighting and vague hints of other dark shadowy colors. 
Gives a really effective overall nightmare appearance.       $100.00


   I can pack and ship these figures to you by UPS. Shipping extra.
If you want a Poloraid picture of any model let me know. Please call 
to confirm availability and make arrangements.   Michael  408-247-3893
From: cass8806@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Re: 1976 Star Trek (NCC-1701) TOS blueprints, $100
Keywords: USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) blueprints, 1976
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:56:33 GMT
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey

In article <1992Dec21.153335.2708@njitgw.njit.edu> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.013310.9575@news.duc.auburn.edu> gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>>STAR TREK (TOS) USS ENTERPRISE/USS CONSTITUTION CLASS BLUEPRINTS FOR SALE
>>
>>In 1991, I saw this set of blueprints for sale at Starland in Denver for
>>$100.00. I'll respond to the person with the best offer, plus C.O.D.
>>shipping, by Tuesday (12/22/92). If you prefer not to deal with the hassle
>>of C.O.D. shipping, send payment first, plus $2.90 for Priority Mail cost.
>>
>My local store gets them in all the time and sells them for $25 in
>near-mint condition. The days of the $100 blueprints are over. Even the
>Tech Manual and Concordance are under $50 now.
>
a pair of years back, i saw about 100 of these in a bin at a local surplus 
store called "edmunds scientific" in barrington n.j., they're the company 
that makes the astroscan telescope -- they have a back room filled mostly 
with junk, like mirrors, prisims, scientific garbage, microsope parts, 
lenses, solar cells, battery holders, knobs, switches, widgets. they buy out 
bulk junk -- sometimes there's interesting stuff there. one can only wonder 
where they came up with the star trek blueprints. they were selling them for 
2 bucks, i bought one. i guess i got a good deal.
From: zardoz@sycom.mi.org (David Lillard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Troi Action Figure
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:20:37 GMT
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! V0.975


 
Apparently the Troi figure is out.  They are all numbered on the foot.
 
A local dealer was able to locate 20 of them; and promptly sold them all
to a dealer in California for $275  EACH.
 
Good Luck, Dave.
From: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (Dana M Nibby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: WTBWAW
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:00:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

********************************



"Would the Buddha Wear a Walkman?" book by Judith
Hopper and Dick Teresi. This book is a good intro to mind
machines, brain toys, and other methods of consciousness 
alteration. 8 1/2 X 11, 255 pages. I want to sell the rest
of my copies (all brand new). Cover price is $16.95.
I'm selling them for $10 postpaid in the U.S. only. To reserve
a copy, send e-mail to: d_nibby@unhh.unh.edu
I'll send you a table of contents and ordering info.

* To the person from INDIA who ordered the book: I NEED YOUR
  MAILING ADDRESS
Organization: Computer Repair, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:07:38 -0500 
From: "David M. Bartlett" <db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: SF/Fantasy on LP!  Asimov, Clarke, R.E. Howard


I have the following LP's (old-style vynyl records) for sale, all
containing readings or adaptations of classic SF or Fantasy.  $5.00 each
plus UPS postage for those outside the Pittsburgh area:  whether you buy
one, some or all four the UPS charges will be between $2.50 and $4.00,
depending on where you live in the states (I weighed them all together
in a solid box with padding, and that's the price range for 1 or all 4).


Isaac Asimov  FOUNDATION: THE MAYORS   Caedmon Records TC1527

Asimov himself reads from the section of the first Foundation book
concerning the early years of the Foundation.

Arthur C. Clarke  CHILDHOOD'S END (Excepts)  Caedmon Records TC1614

Clarke reads key sections from his novel.

Isaac Asimov's NIGHTFALL    Analog Records

Dramatic play based closely on Asimov's classic story of a world in a
multi-star system were true "nightfall" comes only once every 5000 years.

Robert E. Howard's CONAN:  The Tower of the Elephant & Frost Giant's Daughter

Dramatic plays based closely on two Conan the Barbarian stories.



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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Looking for '91 Hallmark Enterprise
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:35:45 GMT


I'm looking for the 1991 Hallmark Enterprise ornament.
Any help would be appreciated.

--
Michael                      
stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 29 Dec 1992 22:51:45 EST
From: AMIGA <344RPBT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: star trek books and mags for sale

   I have these star trek Books for sale or trade
               Please make offers
COVER     ISBN            TITLE                   AUTHOR

1.25 345-24435-4  Star Trek Log Four            Alan Dean Foster
1.25 553-02245-Q  Spock Must Die!               James Blish
 .95 345-02697-7  The Making of Star Trek   Whitfield&Roddenberry
1.50 345-23401-4  The Making of Star Trek        "       "
1.50 345-23402-2  The Trouble with tribbles     David Gerrold
1.50 345-23403-0  The World of Star Trek        David Gerrold
1.50 345-24655-1  Star Trek Log Six             Alan Dean Foster
1.75 451-08030-0  The Best of Trek              Irwin & Love
1.95 345-24691-8  The Making of Star Trek Whitfield & Roddenberry
13.95671-68440-X  the Star Trek Compendium      Allan Asherman
2.50 441-78477-1  A Star Trek Catalog           Gerry Turnbull
2.50 671-83088-0  ST the Motion Picture         Gene Roddenberry
2.95 553-24675-5  The Starless World            Gordon Eklund
2.95 671-47388-3  The Final Reflection #16      John M. Ford
2.95 671-83089-9  ST Motion Picture Photostory  Richard Anobile
3.50 671-50054-6  The Vulcan Academy Murders#20 Jean Lorrah
3.50 671-52488-7  Killing Time #24              Della Van Hise
3.50 671-60373-6  Dwellers in the Crucible #25 MargaretWanderBonanno
3.95 671-62581-0  Enterpise the First Adventure Vonda McIntyre
3.95 671-66201-5  BattleStations! #31           Diane Carey
9.95 671-79145-1  the Star Trek Compendium      Allan Asherman
HC      bookclub  The Wounded Sky               Dinae Duane
HC      bookclub  Yesterday's son               A.C.Crispin
HC 15783bookclub  ST the lost years             J.M.Dillard
HC 2877 Bookclub  STIII searchforspockstorybook L. Weinberg

 I am also looking for many so if you have some books
       you would like to get rid of give me a yell.
I have the following magazines forsale

Prevue feb/apr 87 interview with Leonard Nimoy
MAD   june 87     star trek IV
enterprise incidents special collectors edition #2
enterprise incidents july 84
enterprise incidents mar84  #15
enterprise incidents jan 85
enterprise incidents apr 84
starlog #18 dec   star trek monster make-up
starlog #10 dec   star trek report
starlog #134 sept Denise Crosby
starlog #14 june  Star trek cancellation comedy
starlog #138 jan
fantastic films #39 may 1984      sneak preview STIII
fantastic films #30 august 1982   behind the scenes STII
fantastic films #40 july 1984     interview Leonard Nimoy

I am looking for Star Trek Books and Mags in trade
or will sell these outright.