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From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: MacGregor 65, Hunter 54, Santa Cruz 70
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:38:07 GMT

In article <ku3phvINNiq0@cronkite> billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
writes:
>You've got some apples and oranges on your hands here, be
>careful.  The MacGregor65 and SC70 are ultralights, and I
>believe that the Hunter54 is as well.  The Deerfeet are much
>heavier boats for their length.  (Deerfeet _look_ like
>ultralights because they are long and skinny and have
>smallish rigs, but check out the tankage in the keel stub.)
>
>The SC70s I've seen are racing machines.  Making a cruiser
>of one would be a _lot_ of work, and would likely be adding
>weight to an already tender boat.  On the other hand, Bill
>Lee is building a new fast lightweight cruiser called the
>SC52--see Bob Perry's review in the April92 "Sailing".  SC
>boats are among the best-built production boats in the US;
>they are light but strong and very neatly executed.  (Look
>inside a cockpit locker of a Jboat and a Santa Cruz boat
>and you will see what I mean about neatness.)  This kind of 
>construction is expensive.  I'll leave it to others to describe
>the Hunter and MacGregor, but I think you're on the right 
>track when you say "a lot of boat for the money".
>
>A general note on ultralights* from the owner of an
>Olson30.  Their designs are optimized for running and broad
>reaching--they are born to run.  Compared to a boat of
>similar LWL but more conventional displacement, ultralights
>don't go well upwind in a breeze.  Take enough sail off to
>make them comfortable and you lose power to drive through
>the waves.  On the other hand, they are gratifyingly fast
>in light air on all points of sail.  (I sail past lots of
>larger cruising boats in light air with my 95% self-tacking
>jib.)  They are responsive, they steer well, and their
>sails are small for their length.  They are wonderful
>boats, but they are not all-rounders.  Anybody who wants to
>go cruising on one (me!) should be prepared for less luxury
>than is customary on today's cruising boats; water,
>refrigeration, washing machines, etc. are heavy.
>
I heartily second these comments.
As a former Santa Cruz 27, and Olson 30 owner/sailor this
discussion of ultralights is giving me a bittersweet nostalgic feeling.
The Santa Cruz's and Olsons ("Olson" Olsons, not "Ericson" Olsons -
I've sailed the "Olson" Olson 25 and the "ericson" Olson 25
and I can tell you they're two different boats)
are among the best engineered and built boats anywhere.

Light does not mean shoddy construction, nor does heavy mean sound
construction.
But this classof boats is a little more challenging, not as forgiving, as many
heavier
"cruising" designs. The rewards, however, are tremendous, 
if you like a fast responsive boat.

"If you want to sail, get a sailboat, if you want to camp,
get a Winnebago." -Will Howard.
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: trash dumping
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:36:54 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


>so that the trash will sank and not goes up the surface. The problem is that,
>once it is compacted, it is less likely to be biodegraded, but at least,
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>surfers or sailors don't have the impression of going into a trash field.

About a year ago I watched a program on PBS about modern
anthropology (or should that be archeology?).  
Some PhD sort had been studying contents of
land-fill trash dumps for several decades.  I remember distinctly
two particular points.

1.  It is a popular misconception that "biodegradable trash"
is "good trash".  In fact quite often the opposite is true.
For instance it is better to have a piece of plastic in the
ground which forever remains a piece of plastic than to have
a cardboard "Tide" (soap) box which biodegrades resulting in
poisonous orange die leaching into the water system.

2. (Not so pertinent to the discussion, but) The disposable
plastic diaper has an undeserved bad rap for "filling up
land fills and never degrading".  Fact is, in the samples
taken plastic diapers made approx 1% of the trash volume.
On the other hand, paper made approx 60% of volume.  So
eliminating plastic diapers altogether would relieve 
only 1% of the trash problem, while cutting paper
trash only in half would relieve 30% of the problem.

So be wary of porch-swing environmentalists.  Their arguments
are often plausible, but based on fantasy.

-rickf
From: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: O'dayDay Mariner *&* Sears aircooled outboard
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:33:01 GMT
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

Two followup questions to my earlier post: Owner is asking $2500 for a '73
hull in good/excellent shape (his word, i Haven't seen it yet) with
1 yr old sails and an outboard. Anyone's thoughts to post or e-mail appreciated.

2.  the boat has a Sears air cooled outboard 7hp of undetermined vintage
of which he says he has no complaints. Any thoughts on this piece of
equipment also appreciated.

Thanx to all again.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: danda@sj.ate.slb.com (Jeff Danda)
Subject: A.C. New Zealand base camp address sought
Reply-To: danda@sj.ate.slb.com (Jeff Danda)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 08:18:07 GMT


Does anyone know the address to the America's Cup New Zealand base
camp?

	Thanks!

		Jeff.
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:49:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


>Good product,  any other cheap water proof grease like Lubriplate should work

Please elaborate.  Assuming pretoleum based products, would not any
oil or grease be "water proof" simply due to the naure of water
and grease, i.e. they do not mix?

-rickf
From: aro@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Ormsby)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: GPS receivers - prices?
Summary: Any cheaper outside the UK?
Keywords: GPS, Magellan, Magnavox, Garmin, Apelco, Raytheon...
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:42:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: CS Dept, University College of Wales, Aberystwyth

I'm interested in finding out relative prices for GPS receivers in the
US versus the UK. If computers are anything to go by, GPS receivers are
probably much cheaper in the US.

UK prices:

Magnavox MX 100		#1750
Magellan 5200		#1150
Garmin GPS 50		#780

These are prices in pounds sterling. Can anyone produce comparative
figures for this equipment elsewhere?

Next: has anyone personal experience of GPS? I've read reviews of the
equipment, but accounts from people actually using the stuff would be
interesting.

Thanks,

--
Andy Ormsby	aro@aber.ac.uk
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing Hunter 30 to Flordia?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:41:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mwvm.167C8F8D1.STU
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

In article <167C2DCD0.DOYLE@ricevm1.rice.edu>
DOYLE@ricevm1.rice.edu (Jim Doyle) writes:
 
>
>I am quite the novice sailor having bought a 83 Hunter 30' sailboat a year ago
>but have enjoyed sailing. I will be able to take condiderable time off,
>
>My question is a simple one for experienced crew members. Is such a trip
>feasible in a 30' Hunter? If so, what equipment would be necessary for a safe
>trip? I've been told radar, auto helm, GPS and a new boat. Can anyone give me
 
Recognize, first, that you will be off shore in water that is beyond
the reach of easy help if something serious develops - so take a life
raft.  You can rent one for the trip if necessary.  Skip the near shore
life rafts and get one you can trust.  I think an 83 Hunter is near the
limit for off shore work - so get a survey.  At least have it gone over by
a budy that blue water sails and you can trust.
 
Next, consider your budget.  If you are short handed (less than 6) and
most surely will be on a boat that size, get an autohelm of some sort.  The
brand is beyond this topic, but there are a number of good sources available.
 
You can go to Florida without going off shore - from Texas - and you may
want to limit your off shore time to single over night trips so you can
watch the weather.  If you do - and the boat is in good shape - I don't
see a reason why you can't do it with the crew you can reasonably carry.
 
The Houston/Florida journey is all in shipping lanes and oil wells - so
you will need a constant watch - even so, an autohelp is your best aid
to long trips.
 
Next, if you have the $$, get a GPS.  Lorans are about 1/4th the price
and good enough for Houston/Florida - but it won't be your last long
trip.  There are a number of good units -= again, beyond the topic of
this dicussion - but worth the $$ in pease of mind - fairly
unnecessary in fact since dead reconning is all you need for this type
of trip - there are lots of boats to get you back on track if you ask
for help on the VHF.
 
 
That is about all you can put on a Hunter 28 without running out of space
for your crew - but you might want one of the gas swivel coffee pots that
hang on a bulkhead - they are really nice on a lonely night in the
rain.
 
I trust you already have good raingear?
 
Try it first - take a trip to one of the inlets near Houston.  Call the
TMCA and go on one of their trips - like next weekend to Galveston - and
find out about trips that are overnight off shore to learn more about your
boats and the others in the area that have done the trip.
 
Enjoy yourself - take a snorkle and fins and stop to look at the
fish along the way.  Take a trolling line and catch some meals and
take some itialian bread crumbs, oil and egg to cook the fish.
 
/Stu
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 13:28:53 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Distribution: usa
 <18060@oasys.dt.navy.mil>

How old is "old" gas anyway ?  My outboard was unused for 2 months this year
and fired up on the third (well, I lie: it was about the 8th) pull when I
was in boatland in April. But it ran very well after that. (Two stroke, too).
So when questions are asked about old gas, what period of time are we
discussing ??
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Spring Work
Date: 2 Apr 92 19:26:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Mar31.230546.19427@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> 
> 
> Dave Levine's postings about Spring work on Recursion prompt me to do my own
> (but perhaps with less detail). 
> 
> Work on Sarah has been delayed a little this year. I did as much in the Fall as
> possible, including removing all easily removable teak from the cockpit area
> and bringing it home to scrape/sand down to bare wood. The results one how to
> remove varnish are in: use a heat gun, practicing a lot on the parts that are
> hidden from view. Then use a palm sander with 120-weight (or even 80-weight) 
> paper. Methyl stripper are nasty to the environment, and 3M Safest Stripper may
> be a great product, but it takes forever to work, and require multiple
> applications. Use it only on things that are hard to use a heat-gun on, like
> round things, or things with small detailed crevices in them, or louvered
> doors. 
> 
> I also took out the engine again--chasing the same oil leak and wanted to get
> the xmission examined--which took a lot less time this year: 4 hours to
> disconnect wires and hoses, about 40 minutes to lift it out of the engine
> compartment with come-alongs. 
> 
> Also removed the coupler from the forward end of the prop shaft. There's a
> trick to doing this. The coupler is press-fit onto the shaft, so loosening the
> safety screws does very little good. The trick is to shove a small
> socket-wrench socket between the coupler on the shaft and the coupler on the
> xmission, and then retighten the coupler bolts. The small socket pushes the
> shaft back through the coupler. If this makes no sense to you now, try to
> remember it when you want to remove yours--it'll make a lot of sense then.

Having done this a few times, I'd like to add:
If you're just going to replace the shaft, by far the easiest way to get it off
is to hacksaw it in two behind the shaft coupling.  The coupling itself
can then be dealt with outside the boat, instead of upside-down in the back
of the bilge.  Usually it can be removed with a gear-puller.  If you have 
to go to a machine shop for removal, its probably cheaper to buy a new
coupling.  Now, to minimize the problem next time, coat the end of the
shaft, and the key, with Never-Seez.  I guarantee an easier removal next
time.  

Heat guns are excellent for varnish removal, but be careful about charring
the wood.

About the only thing that helps with 3M5200 removal is heat.  But why
are you removing the whole winch anyway?

-Pete
 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mills@adobe.com (Dan Mills)
Subject: Re: America's Cup results for April 11, 1992
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:15:31 GMT

In article <341@bit.UUCP> grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
>Last weekend I was down in San Diego, on family business. I asked my syster,
>who is a member of the SDYC if she could get me a ride on a SDYC fleet boat
>for the big race between Conners' Stars & Stripes and the America^3 . Well
>she was successful, oh how sucessful! Saturday I found myself with eight
>other people (total) on board a 75ft Ketch "Victoria" owned by the president
>of the America^3 Syndicate! ... more stuff deleted ...

Some of you might be entertained to know that Victoria is the yacht
previously owned by Stanford University, and made infamous when it was
disclosed that part of the cost of her upkeep had accidentally been included
in the overhead rate charged against federal research grants.

Dan Mills
mills@adobe.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Old Gas in Tank
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:27:35 GMT

crandall@webb.psych.ufl.edu (Chris Crandall) writes:

>In article <702459928.F00001@ship.UUCP> Geno.Dellamattia@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Geno Dellamattia) writes:
>>HBS>Then what do you do with the old gas?  I have about 8 gallons of old
>>
>>Leave it in the open and it will evaporate.  You should do the same with
>>solvents and other light petroleum products.

>     No!  This is illegal in many locales (e.g., Los Angeles), because it
>directly and dramatically increases air pollution.  The argument here appears
>to be dump it in the air, rather than the ground or water, because in the
>air "it's all gone."  Not so, it will directly contribute to ozone (which is
>bad in the lower atmosphere), exacerbate asthma attacks, etc.

Chris is right. Pollution is pollution.  Noone has the right to dump poisons.
My solution for gas I won't be using is to give it away.  Every fall I take
my excess gasoline and give to the boatyard to run through their workboat.
I lose two or three dollars worth of gas I wasn't using anyhow, they
get free gas, I get some goodwill, and the problem gets lost.

The down side is it takes a little planning.  Then again, I'm usually
pretty sure I won't be taking the dingy out after November.

cheers,
-gb-
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Re: AC rules
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:52:32 GMT

In article <kuondbINN7uk@cronkite> billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill 
Courington) writes, in part:
> By the same token, Conner, should you believe in miracles,
> could put a new boat into S&S's slot.  (Would Koch sell him
> Kanza or A^3 for $1?  That might produce the strongest defense 
> unless S&S's competitive wind range can be widened.)

In Monday's press conference, Bill Koch was asked which boat he would put 
in the finals.  He said something about it being a difficult decision.  
Tom Whidden (DC's tactician) whispered in Dennis Conner's ear, and DC said 
"Bill, Tom just told me whichever boat you pick, we'll take the other 
one."  Koch was not amused.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: davek@hplsla.hp.com (Dave Kelley)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:16:50 GMT
Subject: To wax or not to wax...
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Two questions for you, most knowledgeable boathead:

I'm going to be picking up my new Prostar here in a couple of weeks.  In order
to keep the boat as clean as possible, I'm thinking about waxing the boat right
away.

Question #1: Is it OK to polish and apply wax to new gelcoat?

For automobiles, my understanding is that you should let the paint "cure"
for at least a few months before you seal it with wax.  Does this prescription
also apply to gelcoat?

Question #2: What boat polish and wax would you recommend?

I was thinking about using Meguiar's 45 polish and 56 pure wax.

Thanks...Davek
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Re: A3 boat on highway
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:57:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.172226.26714@uhura.neoucom.edu> 
lwg@uhura.neoucom.edu (Lowell W. Gerson) writes:
> Monday (or Tuesday) I saw a boat headed east on I-76 that 
> had A3 and the jayhawk logo on the side.  I was passing
> under an overpass so I couldn't get a real good look
> or judge size. But it sure looked like Kanza.  Anyone know
> what she was.

It was, in fact, Jayhawk.  I believe they've got Jayhawk touring the 
country on a fund-raising drive, or something like that.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: AC results by fax
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:44:51 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Development, Dept.

In article <1992Apr7.030901.19252@ssd.dl.nec.com>, graemer@ssd.dl.nec.com (Graeme (Scamp) Robertson) writes:
|> Sometime in the past someone posted a fax number that could be polled
|> for the latest information on AC results.
|> 
|> Does anyone have the number?
|> We have now got a polling capable fax and I would like to get
|> the info.
|> 

Defenders results 	619-685-3868
Challengers results 	619-685-3870

Actually you don't have to have a polling mode.  Just call the number
and when it answers and you hear the FAX tone, hit your Start/Copy
button and your FAX machine will go into recieve. 

There is more than just the results put out.  Most days they have
graphics of the whole race plus all protest drawings, jury rulings,
notable quotes from the post race press conference and press releases.
Usually the LV Cup stuff runs to 8 or 9 pages and has much more info
than the Defender stuff.


===============================================================================
Dave Rogers                    				        Morgan 30/2 #60
M & R Software, Inc					        USYRU 37296
Internet:   dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
On contract to: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

Don't take life too seriously; you're not going to get out of it alive anyway.
From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Winch lube
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:22:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr6.153628.22516@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>I've been cleaning and re-lubricating my winches (more detail in a later
>posting), using BarLube (Barient's winch-lube goop, which seems to be a mix of
>90-weight goo and lanolin, from the smell). Two questions came up:
>
>(1) How much goop should I put on there? Just enough to provide a film on all
>surfaces, and tiny bit more, or should it be like wheel bearings, where I would
>lay it on really thick, i.e., pack the case completely with grease?
>
 Thin film is the proper way to lubricate winches. Too much is as bad as
 not enough. I also recomend using "SUPER LUBE" it stands up better to
 salt and dosen't turn to schmeg. 



>(2) The Barlube tube says "Do not use on pawl springs". This naturally lead me
>to ask "What *should* I use on pawl springs?" 
>
>Any suggestions? 
>
    On the springs there should be NO lube and the pawls should have very
    little. Winch grease is very heavy and the springs are not that strong
    the grease can stop the pawls from catching fully leading to chipped 
    teeth or damaged pawls. 

>-John

   Daniel V                                               J/44   VAMP

   Put on the top hat and shake some hands Bill,
                             You're the mayor of cornerville U.S.A
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From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sold down the river, part 2, marine electronics questions
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:25:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr17.172557.15875
Distribution: ny
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Apr15.123916.26854@pt.com>, rkd@pt.com (Ray Downes) writes:
> 
> Just about a month ago I posted questions regarding a trip from
> Rochester (NY) to Setauket (Long Island, NY), and received some very
> helpful replies from:
> 
> 	Tom Lightbody
> 	Jon Finke 
> 	William Michalouski
> 	Garry Heon
> 	Nate Lipsen
> 	and others!
> 
> Now I pose some questions related to the various electronics either
> currently on the boat I bought or future electronics additions.
> 
> First off, the boat came with an AM/FM radio and a VHF marine radio,
> both of which share the same antenna. I presume that keying
> (transmitting) the VHF radio, especially in high power mode, would
> damage the AM/FM radio if it was also powered on at the same time -
> yes/no? Related to this, if anyone has the address for Uniden handy,
> I'd appreciate it as I need a manual for the VHF radio.
> 
> Second, I'm considering purchasing a low-end Loran to assist in lake
> crossings.  When about to place an order via a mail-order outfit, I was
> warned by the salesperson that none of the current units "cover" the
> latest "midwest and northern configurations". Well, I am naive about
> many aspects of Loran, but I thought Loran was as developed as it was
> going to get, i.e. no future growth planned, at least in the US. This
> is to say that I am under the impression that I could even get by with
> a relatively recent used Loran *in my region* without problem -
> yes/no?

1.  I don't know what type of antenna you have, but its very unlikely that it can cover 
the AM/FM bands, and the marine VHF band, without  significant performance losses.
Also, your point about transmitting on VHF is correct - it might well
blow your AM/FM radio apart.  
2.  The Great Lakes Loran chain is fairly new, but most *new* Loran receivers
should be programmed for it.  Call the manufacturer for confirmation.
Also, its a relatively simple addition, if the receiver's set up for it.
Good Luck - its a fun trip.

-Pete
From: djd@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. Dasaro)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: America's Cup question - viewing in San Diego?
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:54:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center

I'll be in San Diego shortly and would like to catch a race live if
possible.  Does anyone know of any good viewing spots or of any observation
boats in the area?  Any details would be appreciated.

Email replies preferred but posting is ok also.

-Dan Dasaro