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From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:49:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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RE:  Todd Whitesel on how well Albedo is selling -

Er, actually, Albedo is the third-best-selling furry comic, 
  behind Usagi Yojimbo (20K+) and Hepcats (4500).  Steve's net
  pay is based entirely upon net sales (23% of gross, if I 
  remember correctly), and that works out to ... about $600,
  or just over $20 a page.

Why isn't it selling?  Well, I have a couple of thoughts on this:

1)  The independents market is very very very soft right now - 
  it is nearly impossible for a small independent to make it
  nowadays (Antarctic, to some degree, rides on the coattails of
  NHS - and it has fairly lucrative coattails).  New Albedo #1
  debuted at 6000, which is quite good for an independent in
  today's market (though it doesn't hold a candle to the halcyon
  days of the B&W boom, when even a pure piece of crap like 
  the Quadro Gang or Tunesia could do that).  The fact taht
  Albedo has stabilized at just over 3000 is a good sign.  IMHO,
  it has "turned the gate", and sales will probably improve, 
  slowly.

2)  The problems with Brenner.  In a nutshell, Brenner is a small,
  young, inexperienced, and (VERY) inexpensive printer.  When it
  comes to simple line work, there's no problem.  But they just
  can't handle more detailed stuff.  Does everyone remember the 
  fiasco of Albedo #1?  Ug.  Brenner seems to have its act
  together now, but the first three issues were just...substandard,
  production-wise.  That certainly could not have helped sales.

3)  Promotion.  IMHO, Antarctic needs to do some more promotion
  of Albedo and its other titles.  Various methods have been 
  tried before - notably full-page ads in assorted publications
  (like Previews, Advance, CBG, etc), to no effect.  I think it's
  time to hit the trade shows....

4)  The one major problem I find with the book, though, is THE
  WRITING.  It's almost all talking heads now.  Various characters
  expostulating back and forth huge word balloons, advancing 
  political intrigue and assorted woes in an emotionless, didactice
  (er, make that didactic) manner is not my idea of a good book.
  Yeah, I know I'm overgeneralizing, but not too much.

Albedo does have three things going for it:  a regular schedule
  (probably *the* most important thing for sales, in terms of 
  distributors), a long track record (back to 1983!), and good 
  artwork (hey, I *like* Steve's unshaded artwork, moreso than
  his washes.  Though, I was not too pleased with Taral Wayne's 
  treatment of Steve's inks in teh Beatrix story).

Ug, that's enough for now.

Cheers,
  -net.spy!  (wubba wubba wubba, doodle doodle dee)
From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3
Summary: Rocket Raccoon in She-Hulk info
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:20:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.furry
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <1992Dec13.022243.8713@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
}In article <2199@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
}>
}>------------------
}>
}>Recent furry sighting--Rocket Raccoon has been making guest appearances
}>in recent issues of She-Hulk.  Marvel can't seem to get away from
}>furries, try as they might... 
}>
}>------------------
}
}What issue?  Please, this is important to me.

Well, I don't have the exact issue numbers, but from what I've been 
able to find out, Rocket Raccoon has been appearing in alternate
issues of She-Hulk for the last five issues or so.  And is in the
current issue, apparently.  So rush right down to your local comics
store and grab 'em! :-)  I hope this was of some help...

JAS

-- 
John Alan Stanley      ConFurence Four Art Show Coordinator
john@ontek.com         _Touch_ Staff Member
...!uunet!ontek!john   "Why don't you go out and see what's out there?"
                       "Well, I don't know if that's what's out there!"
From: john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3
Summary: Defining "furry" in fan-speak...
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:26:36 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.furry
Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California

In article <1992Dec15.232613.26476@black.ox.ac.uk> ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell) writes:
}In article <2199@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
}>Another sighting: Furry Fandom is among the fannish terms defined in
}>Roberta Rogow's new book FutureSpeak, a dictionary of fannish acronyms
}>and codewords from over the years.  Read it yourself and decide if the
}>Furry definition is complementary or not... 
}
} Any chance of posting it here, for those of us in the wrong country to
}be able to get the book? Thanks.

Sure!  Although it'll be a couple days until I can get the exact
wording, since the book belongs to someone not currently present.
The gist was something on the order of [people who like cartoon animals
and other stuff which is only for kids].  Not terribly complimentary,
and, given what I know of furry fandom, wildly inaccurate in a lot of
ways, but probably better than some other possible definitions.  The
one Tim Fay reminds us of, for instance.

I'll post the actual text of the thing this weekend; it was only about
a paragraph long.

JAS

-- 
John Alan Stanley      ConFurence Four Art Show Coordinator
john@ontek.com         _Touch_ Staff Member
...!uunet!ontek!john   "Why don't you go out and see what's out there?"
                       "Well, I don't know if that's what's out there!"
From: lainem@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: RE: MU Press
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:53:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:peg:553800004:000:1001
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!lainem    Dec 12 09:53:00 1992


co252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
> Can any one tell me when any thing new is coming out from MU
> Press?

"FurKindred #2: Renewal of Porpoise" and the "MU Holiday Special" were due
out in November, but I haven't seen either thus far.  Another sort of furry
publication due out in November was "Critturs: Hairballs from Hell".

December *should* see the arrival of "Rhudiprrt, Prince of Fur" #7.  January
1993 is pretty quiet, but February promises a Donna Barr Pak, which will
have a copy of the following: "Menagerie" #2, "Stinz" vol. 2 #3 and "The
Desert Peach" #12.

I can't see ahead any further than that with any great deal of accuracy, but
be on the look out for "Wild Kingdom" #2 and "Shanda the Panda" #2 in the
not too distant future.  Apparently also in the offing are T-Shirts and
cloisonne pins, so stay tuned.

For a full round-up of MU's releases for the new year, you might like to
send $1 (plus postage) to MU Press for a 1993 catalogue.

Hoping this has been of some use,

Marko.
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Red Shetland goes "PBS"
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:18:14 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hiyahello!  Just picked up Red Shetland #6 at the local comics shop...  What a
hoot!  =)  Mothra unmasked!  Red Shetland in a dress!  (Also, Red nekkid, too,
but, oh well.  =P  )

Anyway, looks like GraphXPress is in trouble (big news), and I thought I'd give
my fingers some exercise by typing in the editorial column from RS #6 to include
a blatant plead for help...  ("Furry" comics aren't doing so hot, huh?)

--begin editorial--

EDITORIAL
From the Head Bozo
--Jim Groat

Well the International Comics Festival, in Angoleme, France, was as they
advertised, jammed with people.  But truthfully it sucked.  It seems that the
French only like 64 page color hardbacks, much like Tin-tin or Asterix the Gaul
you might see on the shelves of your local shop or bookstore.  They consider
comics done the American way as throw aways, not worth spending money on.  In
short, we got burned big time.  Between the French customs, the French kids (who
took anything not nailed down as free), we're $6500.00 in the hole.  Adding
insult to injury, no European distributors were interested in American comics
(with the usual exception of TMNT) so there was a loss there.  Add to this, the
loss of over 100 RED SHETLAND cloisenne pins, stolen by gypsy kids.  That was
about 80% of our stock of pins.  /Never/ attent the International Comics
Festival in Angoleme, France.

Which leads to this.  We need help, big time and soon, or there will be no more
RED SHETLAND.  Here's out offer... Much like a PBS station, we need financial
aid, both in sales and donations.  For donations of $100.00 you get an original
page of your choice from the RED SHETLAND series (except issue#1).  For $500.00,
not only do you get the page of your choice, but the color cover of your choice
(Including issue 1).  This offer is also good on EQUINE THE UNCIVILIZED, but
the pages are $50.00 each.  All donations will be gratefully accepted and
acknowledged in issue #7.  Please list three choices in order of preference.
Please make checks or money orders payable to GRAPHXPRESS.

So please help out if you can, because you are gonna love what we've got planned
for issues 8-10.

The animation account is now at $4175.00 and we are still accepting donations
for that.  $6000.00 will show the Canadians are serious.

And back by popular demand ... our first full color T-shirt, "YOU WANT MY
OPINION?!" showing Red giving the finger.  $15.00, plus $2.00 postage.

THANKS YOUS this issue go out to Darril Exline and Mitchell Cox for buying pages
of RED SHETLAND when the advance notice went out on the Fidonet BBSs: THE POLAR
BEAR DEN, KITTY'S SANDBOX, and WANDERING WOLF'S DEN.

...

--end of editorial, except for plugs--
 
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:58:50 GMT

Peter da Silva (peter@NeoSoft.com) wrote:
>Lately, alt.fan.furry has contained nothing but announcements and con
>reports. There was a short thread on the origins of furries, but it died
>out quickly and nobody even flamed me on my bizzarre genetics. What's
>the matter? Has there been a new pogrom in fandom or something? Where's
>the discussion, the furry fiction, the flames over Lesbian Foxes on
>Hovertanks, the debate over whether Steve should have shown Erma licking
>Rojigo clean...?

Well, partly because every time one of those discussions starts up, some
net.censor invariably comes along and pronounces the discussion
'inappropriate' for this newsgroup.  What can you do, when someone doesn't
want you to talk about certain things, and someone else complains that
people aren't talking about enough things?

--
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			-Percival MacLeach

Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:47:52 GMT

Daniel J Mitchell (ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
>In article <2199@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
>>Another sighting: Furry Fandom is among the fannish terms defined in
>>Roberta Rogow's new book FutureSpeak, a dictionary of fannish acronyms
>>and codewords from over the years.  Read it yourself and decide if the
>>Furry definition is complementary or not... 

Hm.  I wonder if they're going to list "Skunk F*ckers" in that same
book...

:-) !

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Delayed Iriesii Manifest Rebuttal (forwarded)
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:51:32 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec13.191841.9366@iscsvax.uni.edu>, peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
> In article <n112ct@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>> On <Dec 11>, Greywolf wrote:
>> 
>>  G>In response to this original posting/mailing, there was a very 
> 
>> Since the original post and the responses thereto did not appear on
>> a.f.f, I think it is most inappropriate for Mr. Grant's response to
>> appear here.
> 
> Well, I *thought* I posted the original message (which was responded to)

Thinking it all over, it looks like I neglected to remember that there were two
different messages I relayed from Mr. Grant's letter, one being a copy of the
text from an enclosed ad for Empires stuff, the other being an excerpt from his
letter mentioning his fanzine project.  Now that I think about it, it is
entirely possible that the ad may have been posted to alt.fan.furry, but the
fanzine blurb only circulated on the Tai-Pan mailing list.  My apologies for
any confusion, and, yes, that would mean that the message would be
inappropriate to put up here.  "Most inappropriate"?  I dunno.  At least it
wasn't mentioning any names, so if you didn't see the original response, then I
doubt that I can be accused of being unfair to the other person, smearing his
name or anything, by posting the rebuttal.  Not that I have been accused of
such.  I'm just defensive, that's all.

Anyway, so's I don't sound *completely* apologetic, to Mr. Shapero:  May the
Bird of Paradise fly up your nose.  Nyah!
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From: mauser@intercon.com (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Gallery update
Date: 12 Dec 1992 15:01:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

When Gallery #12 went in the mail, enclosed was a note saying that Gallery 
would very likely be moving in the near future, and that I didn't have any 
idea when or where.

Luck and a short term programming contract have staved off my impending move 
until after February, so, the current address for Gallery is still good.  
That address being:

Richard Chandler/Gallery
843 Locust St. Apt 110B
Herndon, VA 22070-4958

The deadline for Issue 13 has been pushed back two weeks to January 31.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:26:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1ghap1INNso8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High) writes:
>1)  The independents market is very very very soft right now - 
     Unless you're selling Elfquest or Cerebus, of course. But they're
good, so I don't mind. :-)
     (Hm... actually, I'd restrict this to "B&W independents," not
"independnets" in general. Colour independnets seem to be doing just
fine. There's certainly enough of them...)

>  Albedo has stabilized at just over 3000 is a good sign.  IMHO,
>  it has "turned the gate"
     Said gate turned between issues #5 and #6, actually. Sales went Up. :-)

>2)  The problems with Brenner.  In a nutshell, Brenner is a small,
>  young, inexperienced, and (VERY) inexpensive printer.
     Um?
     Small? They're one of Diamond's regional pickup centres. I don't know
how they could be _that_ small... I've never been there myself, of course...
I was under the impression that they were rather large, though. I also
thought they'd been around at least a little while.
     Inexpensive I'll argue from here to Conneticut. When I solcitited
bids for LOW ORBIT and REFRACITIONS, they were the second or third
highest, and wanted more than twice the amount that the winning printer
wanted.
     Of course, somehow, Antarctic has gotten The Deal Of The Gods, so
for them, they _are_ cheap. I could use that kind of deal. :-)

>  Brenner seems to have its act together now, but the first three issues
>  were just...substandard, production-wise.
     The term I used was "disasterous."
     Brenner has improved, I will say that. They seem to be checking the
ink levels now, checking the negatives, basic stuff like that. However,
a lot of the work has been on Steve's side. He gave up on halftones
entirely, going to screens instead; he stopped sending the dialogue
along on a second transparent cover sheet because they kept placing
them wrong and managed to wrinkle one while shooting negatives! His masters
are _extremely_ basic (from a printing POV) and clean at this point.

>That certainly could not have helped sales.
     "Kicked them through the floor" is another handy term. :-)

>4)  The one major problem I find with the book, though, is THE
>  WRITING.  It's almost all talking heads now.
     Yeah, it has been kind of dense lately. I think it was too slow
before and he's overcomphensating. (The last page of issue #5 comes
to mind as a particualrly clear example of this. The last panel should
have been a two page sequence, IMNSHO.) I haven't seen issue #7 yet...
I think it has gotten better since he started up again - I really
didn't enjoy the first few new issues all theat much - and am hoping
that having a regular schedule will knock things back into shape.
                                                  - R'ykandar.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: In-Fur-Nation Volume 2 Number 3
Keywords: confurence furry information
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:22:43 GMT

In article <2199@ontek.com> john@ontek.com (John Alan Stanley) writes:
>
>------------------
>
>Recent furry sighting--Rocket Raccoon has been making guest appearances
>in recent issues of She-Hulk.  Marvel can't seem to get away from
>furries, try as they might... 
>
>------------------

What issue?  Please, this is important to me.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: RE: MU Press
Date: 13 Dec 92 12:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

To: lainem@peg.pegasus.oz.au

LA>"FurKindred #2: Renewal of Porpoise" and the "MU Holiday Special" were due
LA>out in November, but I haven't seen either thus far.  Another sort of furry
LA>publication due out in November was "Critturs: Hairballs from Hell".

Critturs, A Very MU Christmas, and Desert Peach 18 were in the shops
here on Friday. Also: Space Wolf.


 * SLMR 2.1a * Pi R Square. No, Pi R Round; Cornbread R Square!
From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Delayed Iriesii Manifest Rebuttal (forwarded)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92  08:38:59

On <Dec 11>, Greywolf wrote:

 G>In response to this original posting/mailing, there was a very 
 G>unfriendly
 G>response on the list (it did not appear on alt.fan.furry to my 
 G>knowledge), which
 G>I passed along to Mr. Grant so that he could respond to the 
 G>allegations therein.
 G>Since this message includes some clarifications of the original 
 G>message, I have
 G>been asked to go ahead and pass this along to alt.fan.furry 
 G>rather than just on
 G>the mailing list.

Since the original post and the responses thereto did not appear on
a.f.f, I think it is most inappropriate for Mr. Grant's response to
appear here.

==========================================
=Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org=
==========================================
 

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From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: InFurNation Intro
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 17 Dec 92  01:42:00

Reply-To: john@ontek.com

The Basic Information
=====================

    ConFurence
    PO Box 1958
    Garden Grove, CA 92642-1958

    Phone: (714) 530-4993
                or
           (800) 234-8237
           (please tell the person answering you're using the 800 #)

ConFurence Four:
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Our Venue:
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Rooms:
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    Suites available.  Call for information.

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    (gets all the stuff of a regular sponsor, and a
    commission from a well-known furry artist!)

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    (Please write to John Stanley c/o ConFurence to
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From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Albedo back-up
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:30:54 GMT
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves

To make a point clear:  the Beatrix Farmer back-up story in Albedo 7
clearly states:  "Story and Layout:  Steve Gallacci, Pencil and Ink Taral
Wayne".  It is all Wayne's art style, though some of the character designs 
are Gallacci's, and a few poses and expressions as well, that most probably
were on the layouts.  (I've seen some rough pencil sketches by Gallacci, and he
is able to present a clear expression in a few pencil strokes.)
 
 
--Serval
From: amelman@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wan Dabada)
Subject: Furry Japan #2: addendum
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Organization: Dosu Productions - Home of the kemono-zoku
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:46:52 GMT

------------------------------


   Please let me also note that Akahori Satoru, writer for KO Seiki BEAST,
also wrote the scripts for CAT Ninden Teyandee!.  Tatsunoko Productions also
did Zillion.

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