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From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep08.211322.4483@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:

>It is totally inappropriate for a news administrator to solicit
>votes for a new newsgroup, as part of his job, and then to personally
>flame individuals participating in the vote. It's no different than a
>sales clerk who mistreats a customer. If I were your boss, you would
>be fired.

Look asshole, I've explained it to you a dozen times if not more.  This
is the ALTnet.  We don't take votes.  I don't care if you are "opposed"
to the group or not.  If you don't want to read, then don't read it.

But you can't stop it.  The group will be created.  People will discuss
herbalism whether you like it or not.  You're going to have to live with that.

If you prefer to fantasize about having me fired, please be my guest.
It would appear to me that you are in serious need of some mental health
counseling.  Of course, I could give you a few herbs to help you chill out,
but I get the feeling that you'd not use them.

In other words:  Go Fuck Yourself.

But, hey, thanks for listening and we hope to see you on the new group!
--
Usenet Net News Administrator @ The Wolves Den  (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
news%wolves@cs.duke.edu     ...duke!wolves!news     "We don't need no
There is a real person who watches this account.   stinking disclaimers"
Xref: sparky alt.config:5519 alt.religion.kibology:3735
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: alt.rachel.weenie
Keywords: weenie weenie weenie
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:37:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Sep6.211321.24962@ctr.columbia.edu> ewing@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Martin Ewing) writes:
|No, you donUt understand. ...
|I own everyoneUs fucking clues, ok!

Gee, he's so clueful he uses Mac quotes...
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: newgroup alt.planetary.science
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep05.081454.23001@anomaly.sbs.risc.net> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>
>>Charter would be the same as was posted for sci.space.planets several 
>>times in sci.space. The charter will be reposted if/when this group is created.
>>The creation will/would be announced in pertinent groups.
>
>
>I think a better name would be:		alt.science.planetary
>
>To allow for other alt.science groups to be established as necessary.


Well, I'd look around in the alt.list that I have and I don't see any real 
attempt at heirarch-izing.  I agree that if there is a heirarchy, then 
what you suggest is a good idea, but since all the rest of the names seem
to be in a simple descriptive format (and the fact that it's alt to begin
with) does it really matter?


-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu
From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:54:05 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 020815e67cc9a1ad59004306ab6f91d0

In article <1992Sep05.143515.13901@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu 
(George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.030623.18637@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp I wrote:
>>[Note: followup to alt.config only please.]
>>
>>There have been about 12 or thirteen requests in the past few months for
>>a group to discuss herbalism -- the use of vegetable material for
>>healing purposes.
>
>I strongly object to the formation of alt.herbalism. My concern is that
>it will become a haven for medical quackery. Participants will be
>asserting misinformation about the merits of herbal medicine with no
>data to support their claims. Innocent bystanders will start believing
>it, and even acting upon it. Furthermore, it is not the kind of forum
>where medical doctors and other experts are likely to participate.
>Therefore, any outrageous health claims for herbal medicine are likely
>to go unchallenged.

	Fortunately, we are not necessarly bound what *you* think of the
groups purpose.  You are welcome to your opinions, but kindly allow
others the freedom to discuss what they wish.

	Individual posters are responsible to themselves for the posts
they make, and readers are responsible for any actions they take based
on what they read.

	Medical Science is not, despite your wishful thinking, an
"absolute truth".  Neither is any other kind of science or discipline an
"absolute truth."  If you want a certainty of safety from "cradle to
grave" you might want to go to the grave as soon as possible, cause life
is has no guarantees of safety or certainty.

>The fact that you have had a dozen requests for this newsgroup is a symptom
>of the ignorance and misinformation propagated by health food stores,
>manufacturers of juicers, and the like. Furthermore, it is illegal for a
>manufacturer of any herbal product to make medical claims for their products,
>and this is severely enforced by the F.D.A. 

	And the FBI and NSA would dearly love for consumer available secure
encryption to be non-existent.

	Individuals are still allowed to make their own choices, despite
the AMA and the governments' attempts to limit their freedom.

>Some people will blow their life savings in search of medical cures by
>way of quack treatments. This should be discouraged, not encouraged.

	So show that individuals discussing the use of herbal
preparations is an absolute precursor to the separation of a fool and
the fool's money.
-- 
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news%wolves@cs.duke.edu     ...duke!wolves!news     "We don't need no
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.disney.* groups
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:55:41 GMT

In article <w#91H03#j9@atlantis.psu.edu>, barr@pop (David Barr) writes:
>My only complaint is that alt.whatever.disney.afternoon's charter is
>rather vague, and could just as easily be called something more general
>and easy to manage, yet still retain a compatible charter.  The "Disney
>Afternoon" package next year may be given a different name, or totally
>abandoned altogether for something else.

Disney TV stuff is hardly called "Disney Afternoon" in other countries
besides USA.  If the discussion is supposed to be on Disney stuff in
general, it should be alt.disney, alt.tv.disney or somesuch - if it's
just U.S.-specific Disney Afternoon, it should be created in an
US-local hierarchy.

//Jyrki
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.planetary.science
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:06:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.011850.6144@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.001946.3999@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>
>>The consensus seems to be something like alt.sci.planetary
>>
>>Is this alright with everyone?
>
>Given that you proposed the group as sci.space.planets, why don't you
>create alt.sci.space.planets? All of the other groups in alt.sci.*
>were created with a "real" name.



It is done.

-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Xref: sparky alt.config:5787 alt.rock-n-roll:15841 alt.music.progressive:2431 rec.music.misc:23419
From: daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:04:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep15.151615.29424@cbfsb.cb.att.com> yes@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (daniel.e.wofford) writes:
>From article <Pue5qB4w164w@jaflrn.UUCP>, by Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>:
>> 
>> alt.music.marillion:
>> 
>> Purpose: For discussion of the group Marillion, their music, and assorted
>> related bands, such as Fish, How We Live, and The Europeans
>> +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+
>I would like to cast a strong YES vote to this proposal. I am not
>normally in favor of specific goups for individual artists but since
>no one can pull their head out and get a usenet progressive group
>started this may be the best way to keep up on the groups that mean 
>the most to me.

I, too, would like to cast a "Yes" vote for this group.  My access to Marillion info has been rather limited of late, and
I'd like info on tours and new music that is up to date, rather than randomly hearing it from friends in far away places.
Furthermore I don't think the progressive newsgroup covers Marillion thoroughly (IMHO) as I continue to find info by
happening to hear about it at the Music store.  Oh, well.  Definitely....yes.

T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemsitry
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602

Reply to: daniel@raphael.acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: sgparker@eos.ncsu.edu (SCOTT GRAHAM PARKERSON)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Originator: sgparker@c00505-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: sgparker@eos.ncsu.edu (SCOTT GRAHAM PARKERSON)
Organization: "This must be where pies go when they die." (NCSU, Raleigh, NC, USA)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:02:35 GMT



}From article <Pue5qB4w164w@jaflrn.UUCP>, by Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>:
}> 
}> alt.music.marillion:
}> 
}> Purpose: For discussion of the group Marillion, their music, and assorted
}> related bands, such as Fish, How We Live, and The Europeans

YES!  I would *love* to see that newsgroup flourish!  Count me in.


-- 
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  \|  |/  Sophomore, Computer Science
   -\/-   North Carolina State University 
  
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                                        -Shriekback, "Fish Below the Ice"

Xref: sparky alt.config:5795 alt.rock-n-roll:15859 alt.music.progressive:2439 rec.music.misc:23448
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:40:58 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config

I definitely agree.  I've asked Graham to put me on the Freaks list twice
already, and I'm still not on.  Of course, a friend of mine only had to ask
once, when I asked my first time, and she was put on right away....0-}


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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:08:33 GMT

In article <EE3JMMC@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>
>Because that's what the particular group of people for which I'm creating
>this newsgroup want to talk about.
>
>Why should our charter include things we don't want to talk about?

Uh?  Is this some private group?  If you want it to be private, to meet
the needs of a specific group, use a mailing list.  If you want it to
be public (and Usenet/Altnet are public by definition) then you can't
just create things on a whim - there are other people to consider.

Who?  Me, for example - I'll have to decide if I should create this
group or not at my site.  Well, should I?  And as a news reader, who
might be interested in this group, doesn't it matter how easily I can
find it, and how clear it will be to me what the group is for?  Don't
assume all users will know the charter for a group - most don't.

For the time being, I'm ignoring the newgroup message for this group,
since as created it doesn't strike me as a useful addition to the net.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: alt.colleges proposal
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:04:44 GMT

Better yet, why don't we extend the hierarchy to include specific
people at specific colleges?  That way we could have
alt.colleges.amherst.jonathon-keats, alt.colleges.duke.bruce-lawrence,
and so on.

I think it sounds just MARVY.

If there are no objections, I will send out the next 1600 control
messages for Amherst in twenty minutes.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:46:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute

In article <1992Sep07.061810.7916@NeoSoft.com> arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>> The net.name.pundit growls as he sees the newgroup go out...
>> 
>> "Should be alt.tv.disney.afternoon - no, alt.tv.disney..."
>
>Nope.  Doesn't belong in the tv heirarchy, mainly because the Disney 
>Afternoon involves considerably more than just the tv shows.

Oh, so you're saying that it applies to Disney movies, but only if they
are shown in the afternoon?  And if I read a Disney book, I can talk
about it there if i read it in the afternoon?

It doesn't belong under alt.tv, not because "Disney Afternoon involves
considerably more than just the tv shows", but because _Disney_ involves 
much more than just tv shows.  (consider groups such as
alt.fan.disney.movies, alt.fan.disney.theme-park, alt.fan.disney.books)

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
  Contains: Carbonated water, high fructose corn syrup and/or sugar, caramel 
  color, phosphoric acid, caffeine, citric acid and natural flavorings.
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.newgroup,alt.rmgroup,alt.anarchism
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: what the heck is anarchy, anyway? (was: rmgroup alt.peace.corps
Summary: and what does it have to do with alt.peace*corps?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.022215.11721@becker.GTS.ORG> bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) writes:
>In article <z_-ndq+.jef@netcom.com> Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com> writes:
>|....  I sure hope you understand that anarchy
>|means "no rulers", not "no rules".
>
>	That's *your* interpretation of the meaning of
>	"anarchy" - others will have different views...

well, it's an interpretation consistent with the word's etymology.  The
Greek for 'without rules' would be something else -- anomy, perhaps.
-- 
Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms.
Xref: sparky alt.config:5801 alt.rock-n-roll:15875 alt.music.progressive:2446 rec.music.misc:23460
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.rock-n-roll,alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: COUNTERPROPOSAL: alt.music.<insert favorite group here>
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:48:09 GMT
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-14433]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu

>Why is everyone going so nuts trying to create a newsgroup for
>every band that exists? I thought the whole purpose of
>alt.music.progressive is specifically to talk about bands like
>Marillion etc.

Here! Here!  I agree 100% with you.  One stop shopping is much more 
convenient, at least of the "lesser" bands, i.e., not PF, Genesis, or Yes.  
=8)

		Mike
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: alt.rachel.weenie
Keywords: weenie weenie weenie
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:33:32 GMT

>No, you donUt understand.  I know exactly what I AM DOING.  I am Martin!
>This Bitch is pissing me off and I want her dead.  Do you hear me, dead!
>Get her the fuck off this planet.  Yale is behind me 100% on this!  Rachel
>Christy is a menace to our existence.  I am perfectly sane, and I KNOW
>what should be done.  We all know it, so letUs do it.  Fuck alt.rachel.weenie,
>make it alt.nuke.the.fuck.out.of.rachel!!!!  

WHO THE FUCK IS RACHEL?????????????????????

-----G
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: That Bitch
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:13:41 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <kytn3v=.tyger@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
>  Tyger
>-- 
>      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
>      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
>                            But you can make decisions too
>      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break 

                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whose work is that?

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From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL for group "alt.cesium"
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:59:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>I recommend that you choose a more descriptive newsgroup name than
>"alt.cesium."  With such a name, you might attract a lot of the people
>you're looking for, but you'll also get noise from a number of
>bewildered chemists.  alt.org.cesium sounds perfectly reasonable.

Unfortunately the newgroup has already gone out, and the first
fifteen messages we received were joke messages about the element
(and digressions from there).  I've nuked the group here.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics           "Thanks to the magic of the slow-motion 
camera, we can now show you how ugly the inside of someone's mouth can be."
From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: PROPOSAL for group "alt.cesium"
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:50:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I am proposing the creation of the newsgroup alt.cesium.  
The discussion group CESIUM originally started as a small group of college
students at the University of Michigan.  It was known to stand for
(C)ollege (E)ducated (S)tudents (I)n (U)niversal (M)ainland, but has since
dropped its acronym to take on a larger meaning.  <The acronym before that
used to end with (U)niversity of (M)ichigan, but CESIUM growth has broadened
members beyond just one school.>

CESIUM members now consists of many college students across the country,
and most of us remain in contact to the best that we can.  Starting as
a mailing list, CESIUM developed into social gatherings and even across 
state line interaction.  CESIUM now has students at many universities from
Michigan to Indiana to California and others.

What do we do?  Basically, we spend time discussing life, life away from home,
and the sciences in between.  We discuss certain school related issues
(usually something in engineering, computers or basketweaving), or spend
time complaining that we're actually talking about school!  It's more or
less a small support group, and always interesting in finding new people
around the USA (or heck, even further!) who can define cesium beyond the
7th decimal!  :)

So, all you CESIUMites (if you're out there), let's speak up!  And of course,
all others welcome to join in too.

Thank you.
-- 

Lon Lowen Jr.                      lllowen@netcom.com
Netcom On-Line Communications
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 01:44:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep8.1651506.21803@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>In article <1992Sep08.211322.4483@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>
>>It is totally inappropriate for a news administrator to solicit
>>votes for a new newsgroup, as part of his job, and then to personally
>>flame individuals participating in the vote. It's no different than a
>>sales clerk who mistreats a customer. If I were your boss, you would
>>be fired.
>
>Look asshole, I've explained it to you a dozen times if not more.  This
>
>In other words:  Go Fuck Yourself.

For a news administrator, your language here is way out of line. My last
post was a diplomatic attempt to bring this argument to a close, but it
is now clear that I am dealing with someone who insists on having the
last word, and insists on doing so in the most inflammatory way. 

Perhaps your supervisor at Duke University can succeed where I have
failed. Please e-mail to me his name and phone number. Even if you
refuse, I can find out quick enough on my own, and I will do so if
your conduct persists.

You are a very foolish person. If I were going to flame a stranger with
vulgar language over a network, I certainly wouldn't be doing so
through the login id of a university's news administrator. This is
incredibly poor judgement, and very unprofessional behavior. This is
not what you are being paid to do. Keep it up, and you'll be history. 
Xref: sparky alt.config:5765 soc.history:8283 talk.politics.misc:45364 alt.war:1945 soc.veterans:997
Newsgroups: alt.config,soc.history,talk.politics.misc,alt.war,soc.veterans
Subject: Proposal: alt.war.vietnam (RFD #2)
From: f67700241@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:15:23 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

(2nd Request for Discussion; slightly wider crossposting)

Is there an interest in creating a newsgroup for discussion of the
Vietnam War?

I am too young to remember that war, but I've read a lot of the primary
and secondary sources in the literature, and consider myself an amateur
Vietnam War buff.  I've also seen a lot of movie and TV renditions of the
war, and am interested in their correlation to reality.

Politically, of course, the Vietnam War was the defining moment for a
generation of Americans, and its effects are still being felt today (Desert
Storm, the U.S. presidential election).  Militarily, I am interested in
discussing the pros and cons of the strategy/tactics used in the war.

A good precedent has been set for a war-specific newsgroup by
alt.war.civil.usa, a group dedicated to the discussion of the U.S. Civil
War (1861-65).  My "specialty" is the Vietnam War, and I wonder if any
of you out there are interested in a special-interest group like
alt.war.vietnam.

Followups to alt.config. (My newsreader is lame; I can't set the Followup-To
line myself, sorry....)

If there is a lot of positive responses, I have assurances
from one newsadmin that the group will be created in a week or so.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
Newsgroups: alt.config