HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Seen at Arby's II
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:43:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rt8hmINNeom
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr7.203914.5310@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>Yeah I saw the slogan too, but my reaction was more along the lines of
>"DUHHHH". For most people, "different" means eating fries that are
>shaped funny, not fucking somebody of the same sex.
>

Well then why not combine the two ??  Two great tastes that go great
together !!  For the men you can wrap curly fries around your fuck
buddies dick and chew them off slowly from the base.  Women can put
them on their nipples and have a friend nibble them off.  There are
just so MANY uses for this new and different form of eating ??  And
it's nutritious too !!!

Later,
George


-- 
Why don't they just hire taller ballet dancers instead of making
them dance on their tip toes ??		M. Rochlin
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:49:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.040652.10969@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>The jacket was the first material tipoff for me - I mean come on,
>Members Only? They may be ugly, but they're very queer.

"Queer?"  Where?  At the men's roon of the Peoria K-Mart?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:37:10 GMT

nmehl@rm105serve.sas.upenn.edu (Nathan J. Mehl) writes:

>As long as we're on the topic of leather, boots and butchness, I figure
>that this is a good excuse to ask a question that I've had bugging me
>for a while.

>Basically, I'd like to hear from you people out there regarding your
>reccomendations for the "Best Boot."  I'm looking for something in the
>Doc Martin-esque style, black of course, quick to break in, slow to
>wear out, steel-toed and preferably zippered.  It would also be a real
>plus if they come in narrow widths- I'm a men's 11A.  Last but not
>least, under $150, and available by mail order if not in the Philadelphia
>area.

how about army surplus jump boots? I'd be surprised if they ran you
more than $50 a pair. they lace, but you can't have everything......


josh
From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:57:33 GMT
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science

I wrote:

>>[general agreement and personal perspective]
>
>>Keeping these changes in mind, I will be a little less annoyed and
>>less frustrated about all the bigots being on the net recently; it
>>almost seems like bigotry strikes back to its originators this time.
>
>>Isn't this a nice thought?

And Jess replied:

>Yes, Markus, it is, very nice.  And this last point of yours
>reminds me of another: one result of the repeated harrangues
>of the asterisked jerks (yet another has just reappeared) is
>that the stupidity and obvious bigotry of their remarks
>could well backfire, in effect waking up people who
>themselves haven't thought much yet about the discrimination
>we are so familiar with.

The two sides of the medal, of course.

What restricts your argument a bit is that soc.motss is still
likelier to be a place where gay people find good arguments than
a place where bigots get inspiration for their bigotry.

--markus
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.173739.8446@dvorak.amd.com> wraty@dvorak.amd.com (Bill Raty) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.041037.14264@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>For what it is worth I've found a great deal of truth and solace in the
>definition of love put forward by Robert A. Heinlein's character, Jubal
>Harshaw, in the novel "Stranger in a Strange Land".  Love is the quality where
>one's well being and happiness are an integral part of your own.
>
>-Billious
>
>
A number of people have mentioned the new "uncut version of Stranger
in a Strange Land."  That wonderful quote above, one that I have used
as my touchstone of what love means for at least 15 years...isn't in there.

This doesn't mean he didn't write the line, I'm not trying to say that, it
was probabgly written in responce to a change made/requested by his editor,
but since his publisher says in future, only the uncut version will be
published, something very important in my life history is going to disapear.

Sorry to sound so melodramatic...

Sandy		We don't want queers with good taste,
			We want queers that taste good!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Subject: Re: Portlandianna.
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:59:17 GMT

In article <AAG.92Apr6192147@sibyl.aber.ac.uk> aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham) writes:
>Anybody want to start contributing to my fighting fund to allow a 
>poor impoverished postgrad to get to Portland for the motsscon or
>Philly for Gaylaxicon?

...which reminds me... Gayalxicon is the weekend before motss.con.92
(Gaylaxicon: 17-19 July, motss.con.92: 22-27 July).  Perhaps the 
transcontinental convoy should connect up those two cities.  I 
understand some folks are talking about Boston to Portland driving.
Perhaps a rendez-vous in Philly and then on to Portland?
 
[] Urso
   who would have to figure out a way to A> afford it, and B> get the
   time off from work.  :-)
 


-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA
From: aag@aber.ac.uk (Angela Gilham)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: perfect woman, was Re: A motss farce...
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:14:57 GMT
	<1992Mar31.204935.6237@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<92093.003604IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
	<1992Apr2.200802.15876@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, UCW, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr2.200802.15876@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:
   In article <92093.003604IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
   >let me add the female lead singer of Roxette.  i saw the video
   >for "Joyride" for the first time in a pizza parlor, and i fear
   >i made a bit of a spectacle of myself.  i certainly left the
   >place's personnell in no doubt as to my proclivities...

   heh heh heh.  wish i'd seen that...  ;)

Ah yes, she is *nice* isn't she? I was sitting in the Student's Union
bar having a pint with my pizza this lunchtime when their latest video
came on (now, now, mustn't drool into the stout ;-)
   >p.s. PI confession time: i bought the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit
   >calendar...  does anyone else but me do these things, or am i the
   >only evil objectifier of very rich models' bodies?

   uh oh, time to 'fess up.  when i was married, i always gave my hub a
   swimsuit calender for christmas (so he could hang it on the bedroom
   wall and we *both* could ogle it!).  ;)  i also gave ahim a subscription 
   to playboy.  well, he's gone, but the (2 year, i think?) subscription
   continues here... i offered to change it and he said don't bother.  
   so that "feelthy" mag rolls in every month, and, well, what would
   *you* do?  (heh heh heh)

What would I do? Well how about take the pictures to your nearest
colour scanner for the latest in truly tasteful screen displays on
your workstation? Raiding the gif files of the local het male computer
scientists works fairly well too. Sometimes the poor little dears
actually have some quite tasteful pictures! At the moment, there's a
very nice picture of a bikini clad woman whom I would love to meet in
the flesh being used as the background on my screen.

Ang 
--
Angela Gilham     \ aag@aber.ac.uk \ Glitteringly evil, a group activity, good
Dept. of CS,      \                \ unwholesome fun. It isn't the act but the
UCW, Aberystwyth, \ +44 970 622433 \ hunt and capture.  Maraud me; let's go
Dyfed. SY23 3BZ.  \                \ maraud. Maraud mood, hot marauder, flesh
United Kingdom.   \                \ maraud, female marauder, grope-maraud.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:40:37 GMT

In article <jhrjb-n.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <j9sg98o@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>>I decided that the color problem could be fixed, so I bought them and took
>>>them to the shoe shop to be dyed. 
>>
>>black, I hope...
>
>No, Marine (!) cordovan.  I figured I could make them black later if I
>wanted to, but it would be much more difficult to go from black to
>something else. 


Sinner!




FWA

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:34:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.231859.24634@flood.com> tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>I enjoy *both* visiting with interesting people *and* going to
>interesting places. Roger's problem is that he seems to think
>interesting places are neccesarily indoors.

Egad, is that a problem? :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: jab@Ingres.COM (Jeff Bowles)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Info needed on Police harassing lesbigays
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: jab@Ingres.COM (Jeff Bowles)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

anderj2@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Jason Anderson) writes:
>	I am currently working on writing a article on Police mistreatment of
>lesbigays for a political magazine project.  What I am looking for is some
>detailed information (or pointers to where I can find it) on the incident of
>the j-walker in Cincinatti which took place last November.  To jar memories,
>a man with AIDS was harassed by police and, ultimately, charged with
>attemptive murder.  I am not clear on how the police determined he was 
>"attempting to give the officer AIDS."  As you can see, my details are very
>sketchy. :)  I would appreciate any information on this subject.  Replies
>directly to me are welcome.

The story is that this person walked out of a gay bar, was jay-walking,
and it's a common harrassment technique in Cincinnati to use that charge
to harrass gays (in this situation.) The jaywalker's name was Steven O'Banion.

There was a scuffle on the street, I don't know much about the details.

At some point they basically beat him up, and he bled on them. Claiming that
he resisted arrest, they eventually found that he had AIDS and charged him
with attempted murder.

And he even went to the grand jury and was found guilty of some lesser charge.

	Jeff Bowles
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: The name claim to fame game
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:08:40 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) wrote:
>ok, so maybe you win the unpronounceable award, but how many people
>out there know that they are the only ones with their name?

Me.  My father and his father were only sons.  As it stands now, my
brother an I will be the last.  *sigh*

                                                                        __
    Sim David Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3338.span@sdsc.edu \/
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Depressing Scumpits? Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:29:56 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <1992Apr9.225717.18820@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <3316@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:
>
>I spent the weekend in Montreal after the Toronto con, and
>the city seemed so _drab_ in a weird way.  I can't quite put my
>finger on it, but it didn't have the spic-n-span quality of
>Toronto, or much of the liveliness.  St. Catherine's street
>(one of the so-called gay areas) seemed less of a neighborhood
>and more like a few gay sex shops in an undistinguished, seedy area.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey, it sounds just like the Castro!

Go ahead, flame me, but I was disappointed.


Michelle Elliott
From: buckmr@RPI.EDU (Rondel K. Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Queer National in trouble at work!
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:15:17 GMT


***posted to QN@queernet.org by Jonathan Stine***

Yesterday, my fellow Queer National, Lawrence Saltzman, posted a message 
to the QN mailing list for QN/National Capital.  This notice described 
the descrimination and harrassment he's been suffering at the hands 
of his employer:

	Kestrel Associates
	5205 Leesburg pike
	Suite 905
	Falls Church, VA 22041 
	vox (703) 379-2261
	fax (703) 379-2264

In the notice, Lawrence requested a national telephone/fax zap.  Within 
hours of posting this, his employer found out and had him removed from 
the facility by armed guard and put him on administrative leave, pending
an "investigation."

I've just gotton off of the phone with Lawrence.  He's understandably
scared and upset.  He wants us to help him out.  To quote him:

"Now is the time to really let these people know how disgusting they
are.  Now, they not only attack queers, they attack the simple exercise
of first amendment rights.

Let Louvonia P. Wilson, President, and Pete Howtin, Vice President,
of this low-life management know how disgusting they are.  MAKE THESE
PEOPLE CRAZY."

I've been keeping up with Lawrence's story for quite some time now.  It
all started when he wore a shirt to work which read, "One Fabulous Queer."
He's been fighting ever since.

Some days, I start thinking we're winning.  I let myself dare to believe
that we're actually making inroads towards the eradication of homophobia.
Then, something like this happens...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
             John P. Stine  (stine@stars.reston.unisys.com)

   The opinions expressed here certainly don't represent those of my
   employer...but I'm working on it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Subject: Re: Need References...
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 01:42:09 GMT

jkusters@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (The Chrome Jester) asks a bunch of 
questions, among others:
>	Child molestation by gays vs. straights.

I don't know a specific study, but according to the Annual report to 
governor and the state legislture on the Wisconsin Child Abuse and
Neglect Act, the number of same sex molestation cases is just about 20%.
If I remember correctly, it varied between 16 and 22 in the last three
or four reports. [I know this, because last spring a ex-resindent of
the University Housing was distributing anti-gay propaganda and 
promoting prejudices in order to get people against letting same sex
couple into the married student housing.]

When talking about child molestation, remember that the gender of 
the child is irrelevant in most cases. Most often it is a question 
which children the molestor has access to. Also, very few child
molestors identify as gay. 

A Journal of Homosexuality had an issue on paedophilia either 1991 or
1990. It had several articles/studies about sociology, laws etc.
Since there are only four issues per year and each issue has a specific
theme, it should be easy to find the right one. I think it is a good
reference.

jari
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pride events this summer
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:45:50 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

fax0405@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:

>   SAN FRANCISCO's gay pride festival is the weekend of June 27-28.

So it conincides with the New York City's one. I'm afraid I'll be in NYC
if everything goes according to the plans.

>   Come into town then and also greet the librarians who will be in town for
>their annual conference.  Typical attendance for the AMERICAN LIBRARY
>ASSOCIATION annual conference is approx 20,000.

Maybe be next year....

>  BTW there is a GAY & LESBIAN TASK FORCE within the Amer Lib Assoc which is
>hosting various function throughout the conference, including C&W dance
>lessons.  I will post more details when I get the schedule of events in my
>hands.

Interesting.... I wish I could be in two [naah, say seven] places at once.

jari
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:41:55 GMT
Organization: Eris's Restaurant

In article <1992Apr8.094533.19745@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>There's also Internet Relay Chat, aka IRC. It's a real time chat
>facility. At any given time there can be as many as 800 people online
>from all over the world, all talking to each other in various
>channels.  And yes, there is a gay channel - it's called #gblf. You
>really want to have an IRC client locally, but until you get one, you
>can get to IRC by telnetting to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. Run the
>command "/join #gblf" to get to the gay channel, and then ask for help.

Mmmm... I tried that.  The telnet connexion got made just fine (ie I got
as far as the "Connected to.." message) but then - nothing.  Nada.  Rien.

Am I doing anything wrong? Like, is there a port number that I should know
about, or what?


					Kay

ObMotss: my darling Justin's just come out to his mother and she seems to
be taking it really well: not positively, as such, but at least supportively.
Wheeeeeeee!

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry Poly, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bear Jargon
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:07:46 GMT
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

Well, while thumbing through the '92 World Almanac in search of factoids,
I ran across this ditty:

Name for a group of bears:  Sleuth of bears.

Neat!


-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                                          ]
  [                                If not you, who?  If not now, when?    ]
  [   rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com                                             ]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: It can happen in *VERMONT*
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:05:45 GMT


***A report from John Kellermeyer on the Vermont GLB rights bill***

The latest news on Vermont's lesbigay rights bill:  The bill has passed the 
Senate and is now in the House.  (To David in Gettysburg: Note this is 
opposite of what I said before.)  It has also made it out of committee.  
Last Friday there was a priliminary vote.  The vote was something like 71 
in favor to 55 against.  I'm not sure of the exact numbers but I do know 
that only four or five more votes are needed to pass.  The final vote 
should come on Monday.  The good news is that there were 20 legislators who 
did not vote on Friday to get those last four or five votes from.  The bad 
news is that those 20 legislators are all (or nearly all) Republicans who 
are tending to vote against the bill.  At the same time Barbara Snelling (
the widow of the recently deceased Republican Governor Snelling) is 
campaigning *for* the bill.

According to a Vermont Public Radio report last Thursday, one of the 
opponents of the bill said that if it passes "Thousands of unsuspecting 
Vermonters will be seduced by sodomy."  That's an image that kind of 
boggles the mind.

John

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From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Motss Con 92 mailing list
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:59:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr10.015955.708
Organization: Open Communications Forum

As in past years, a mailing list has been set up for Con 92 discussions.
Per the usual standards, send mail to con92-request@agora.rain.com to be
added to the list and send articles to con92@agora.rain.com.  It's a
simple exploding alias, nothing fancy, so don't be surprised if you
occasionally get odd bounces.
-- 
Alan Batie                             \      Some people believe they have
batie@agora.rain.com                    \     never met a gay person.
+1 503 452-0960                        / \    That's what we get for hiding.
45 28 59 N / 122 43 20 W / 440' MSL   /   \
From: pgryan@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: movie review
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:55:56 GMT
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR

I thought Edward II was *great*, *especially* because I was so attracted to
Edward.  

Sure, he and Galvestone clowned around and camped it up a bit, but I found 
them anything but 'swishy.'  Surely, *we* don't have to buy into the standard
male behaviors.  They weren't effeminate, they just weren't afraid to dance
with each other.

I'm sick of the standard anorexic gay chic.  Edward was a big, muscular, 
masculine guy.  I walked out thinking that on top of liking the movie, I
really appreciated an image of an attractive gay man who weighs more than
120 pounds.

Anyway, as far as public impressions go, the movie was definitely gay-positive,
portrayed Edward and Galvestone as heroes and unfairly separated lovers, and
the image it will leave with the strayt folk is just fine with me.  In fact,
since it portrays a loving, serious, devoted, long-term relationship between
two guys who risk everything to be togethor, I like the image it creates.

Just my $0.02.

Phil Mele writes:
>yes, but how did edward and his lover "act"?  the revue in the paper, which
>said pretty much the same as you, went on to point out how the gay characters
>were somewhat 'swishy' and how this was consistent with the general portrayal
>of gay men and lesbians in hollywood productions that has currently caused so
>much controversy, and has received considerable discussion here.  (is that a
>run on sentence, or what?)

That's ok, dear, you're allowed.

Paul