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From: mike@shell.portal.com (Michael Bruce Tepin)
Subject: Re: Additional Packages for Coherent
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:31:34 GMT

In article <9301051604.AA14989@rslap.mwc.com> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>
>        Mark Williams Company has four additional productivity packages
>for COHERENT.  The following information has info on all of our additional
>packages for Coherent, as well as some special bundle prices.
>
>        GNU C contains COHERENT versions of two of the most popular GNU
>compilers, Gcc a 32-bit ANSI C compiler, and G++ its C++ equivalent.
>On-line documentation and GNU make are also included.  For anyone wishing
>to program in ANSI C or object-oriented C, these compilers are
>indespensible.  The GNU C package is $49.95.  Source code for the GNU C
>compilers is also available.
>
>        GNU Tools contains COHERENT versions of over 40 GNU
>implementations of popular UNIX commands and utilities. These include MAWK
>(GNU awk), BISON (GNU yacc), BASH (GNU Bourne shell), and SED (GNU Stream
>Editor).  The GNU  commands are often faster than their UNIX equivalents
>and may contain additional options and extensions. Source code for most of
>the GNU tools is provided, allowing you to examine exactly how UNIX
>commands are designed.  The GNU Tools package is $49.95.
>
>        Ordering any three or more productivity packages at the same time
>results in a $40.00 discount!  For instance, developers could order a
>"Developer's Pack" with the Device Driver Kit, GNU C, and GNU Tools, for
>$109.85 (a savings of $40.00).
>

This is an honest question.  There is no attempt at starting any trouble or
flame wars or anything.  I truely don't understand.  Why are the GNU compilers
and utilites FREE for MSDOS, OS/2, and Linux but cost money for Coherent?

I am a registered owner of Coherent 4 but I don't have it installed because
the software that is free for other operating systems costs money for this
one.
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: prepare_gift()
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:47:40 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> Abort the boot procedure with space and type "info" twice at the prompt.

The best thing to do is to type info -once- only. Some bios's actually
alternate when the proper parms are sent.

> Then type "begin" to continue the boot procedure.
> --
> Udo Munk, Oberstr. 21, 4040 Neuss 1, Germany
> udo@umunk.GUN.de   ...!{mcshh,smurf,unido}!easix!umunk!udo   CIS: 100021,2515
> uucp: +49 2131 278869 V22/32/42bis 8N1 login: uucp pwd: public MYNAME=bbsuser
> request file /usr/spool/uucppublic/info for instructions
>

Thank you
Ed
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: No more lost packets!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:59:04 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

John D. Boggs (jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us) wrote:
: I went out and dropped way too much money on a serial port with a 16550
: on board, and mwcbbs doesn't give me lost packets at 9600 baud any more.
: I'm getting transfer rates of 700-750 Bps, a distinct improvement over
: the 400 or so I'd been getting at 4800 baud.

Cool!  Try cranking it up to 19200 and see what happens.

: So, yes, 16550s seem to solve certain problems  (though I still can't 
: download using zmodem at 9600, but I'll talk to someone at the system
: I'm trying to download from about that).

I think the zmodem port for Coherent is the same brain-damaged one
that they have for Minix.  Half the systems I call (Unix systems)
won't respond to it at all whether it be z,b, or x protocol.

Speaking of which, anyone who has rebuilt their kernel using the new
DDK:  have you had any problems with minicom?  It no longer seems
to work with the new kernel.

-Louis
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim)
Subject: Re: looking for database
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:11:16 GMT

In article <930109239@forthdv.rmt.sub.org> stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth) writes:
>Zeyd M. Ben-Halim (zmbenhal@netcom.com) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan6.165522.19259@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
>: >stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth) writes:
>: >: Hi networld,
>: >: 
>: >: is there any relational database system available for Cohernt 4.0 and for
>: >: what price??
>: >: 
>: >
>: 
>: You can always try INGRES (the university version). You can start from the
>: original UCB sources or from the port to Linux. And it's free.
>: 
>: Zeyd
> 
>THis sounds interessting, where can I get INGRES??

My port to Linux is available from tsx-11.mit.edu:pub/linux/packages/ingres/*
Note that I know for a fact that it wont compile on coherent (no termios) but
I'm curious if there are any other problems before I post patches.
Please read the docs, extract, and send me the log output.
Please Note the you need lha to extract the sources (available in pub/linux/
sources/Archivers/lha-1.00.tar.Z)
You'll need ~5MB to install and compile INGRES.

>
>Stephan
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Home key mapping - Solved
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:07:51 GMT


Someone asked with surprise why I don't use 'elvis' that comes with
Coherent, instead of Stevie.  Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa!  Of course
I was talking about elvis!  I got used to Stevie under DOS, and it
stuck to my head.  I modified the keyboard table for the driver
yesterday - it was a breeze, and everything works perfect now.  It's a
great implementation of vi.  I mapped it in such a way that even the
biggest newbie will love it (or so I hope :-)


Tony
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Processing texinfo files (how?)
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:58:59 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:
: You need to get a copy of the file texinfo.tex, then you run tex on
: the texinfo file (which does an include texinfo.tex).  That will give
: you a device independant file which you can convert into postscript (I
: use a program called dvips.)

Has TeX been ported to Coherent, and if so, where might I find it?

-Louis
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From: kf8nh@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: cannot login at all!!!
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 19:12:25 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Brandon S. Allbery's Personal System

eichin@athena.mit.edu (Mark Eichin) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.015410.15298@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter
>    From: ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter Pui Tak Chiu)
>    i deleted /etc/utmp in a virtual console and tried to login from another
>    VC, but linux said "/etc/utmp: no such file or directory" and i was not
>    allowed to login...
> 
>    then i created /etc/utmp with a single carriage return in it and tried
>    logging in aain.  this time it said:
> 	   must start from the lowest "sh"... something like that...
> 
> I just got bit by the same thing -- I figured that the LOGIN lines
> that "w" was showing me were garbage (I still think so, but they seem
> to be intentional garbage...) so I emptied the file, rebooted, and got

The System V init uses these lines, as do System V-style getty's (gettyps?).
System V-type shells also use this, as you saw.  In short, DON'T DO THAT!

The proper fix is for "w" to be recompiled for a System V-style utmp file,
and to pay attention only to utmp lines of type USER_PROCESS.

If you *must* create /etc/utmp from scratch, you should be able to do so as
follows:

	create /etc/utmp empty (essential!)
	sync and wait for disk activity to cease (EXTREMELY essential)
	hit the reset button (so init/getty/login don't scribble on it)
	reboot Linux (this should cause it to be fixed)

Of course, this isn't exactly the safest way to do things, so I suggest you
avoid it instead.

++Brandon

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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: readonly Newsreader ??
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 08:57:56 PST

stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth) writes:
> I am looking for a special Newsreader. I need one that:
> 	-is ONLY for reading news (no posting, no follow-up, no mail response)
> 	-could be configured to read only local newsgroups OR Usenet groups
> 	-has NO ability to shell-out
In conjuction with Exporter BBS development, I made a version of tass 
that runs read only and offers no shell if invoked with a -r on the 
command line. Never thought about restricting the newsgroups though.

Here's the diff for main.c:
------------------------cut here --------------
36 c 36
< 
---
> int ronly = FALSE;			/* if true, read only, & no shell */
112 c 112
< 	while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "f:u")) != -1) {
---
> 	while ((c = getopt(argc, argv, "f:ur")) != -1) {
117 c 117,119
< 
---
> 		case 'r':
> 			ronly = TRUE;
> 			break;
1104 c 1106
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return( 0 );
------------------------cut here --------------

here's the diff for misc.c:
------------------------cut here --------------
280 a 281
> extern int ronly;
282 d 282
< 
290 c 290
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return( 0 );
313 c 313
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return( 0 );
342 c 342
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return( 0 );
------------------------cut here --------------

here's the diff for page.c:
------------------------cut here --------------
935 a 936
> extern int ronly;
937 d 937
< 
945 c 945
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return(0);
1039 c 1039
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return(0);
1127 c 1127
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return(0);
1233 c 1233
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return(0);
1285 c 1285
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return(0);
1340 c 1340
< 
---
> 	if( ronly ) return(0);
------------------------cut here --------------
Hope this helps. BTW, if this diff doesn't work, e-mail me.

Randy
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From: clemens@ms.uky.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> In article <1ic3o7INNmep@uwm.edu> (comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux),
>  rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) writes:
> > manaster@yu1.yu.edu (Chaim Manaster) writes:
> > > [...] What I wouls appreciate is  a comparison of the two
> > > systems, features, tools, ease of use, compatibility, support etc.
>
> > Maybe some Coherent-guru would care to expound upon its virtues as compared
> > to Linux?  ...but I really don't think they're even in the same league.
>
> I haven't looked at Coherent either but from what I have read, the
> big benefit of Coherent is the instruction manual and the fact that
> many "shrink-wrapped" programs run on Coherent out of the box.
>
> The manual is 1200 pages long and is said to go into "everything".
>  If a person was to have Unix to run "out of the box" apps, it would
> look like Coherent would be a good buy.
>
> Linux has neither a manual or the ability to run shrinkwrapped apps.
>  If that sort of thing is important- Coherent looks good.
>
True, no X and no tcpip but lots to gain for non-MITers that are just
starting or starting others in the world of unix.  Certainly better
than minix unless you want to modify the source.

Best $99 Unix bucks I have ever spent and I run my system full time for
email and news.


--

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                   West Virginia Wesleyan College
                   Buckhannon, WV  26201  (304) 473-8480
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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:58:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Darcy Smith (darcys@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan7.165301.2889@news.stolaf.edu> johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) writes:
: >
: >In article <1ihc1iINNh6q@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
: >   to *get* all that code from?  Are they dealing with Satan? or *worse*...
: >
: 
: No they aren't dealing with Bill Gates!

Or Lotus or Apple!

-Louis
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From: jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us (John D. Boggs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: getting an ls alias to work in super-user shells?
Keywords: alias shell superuser
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 10:38:35 +0100

Good morning, all.

I have an alias set up in my $HOME directory to make "ls" always
"ls -C".  This is great, because now I don't have to watch everything
scroll off the screen!

But, woe is me!  I make liberal use of "su" to take care of administration
tasks on my system (bin and news, mostly, FWIW), and when I'm su'd ls
reverts right back to its default left screen sail-everything-by-you
mode.

Can I do anything to make "ls" *always* be "ls -C"?  I did try using a
shell script in /usr/local/bin, which I've placed ahead of /usr/bin in my
path, but that was *slow*.

Advance thanks goes out to all!

-John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tundra@eskimo.chi.il.us (Tundra Tim Daneliuk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Processing texinfo files (how?)
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: TundraWare

>
> >
> > Grant Edwards (grante@aquarius.rosemount.com) wrote:
> > : You need to get a copy of the file texinfo.tex, then you run tex on
> > : the texinfo file (which does an include texinfo.tex).  That will give
> > : you a device independant file which you can convert into postscript (I
> > : use a program called dvips.)
> >
> > Has TeX been ported to Coherent, and if so, where might I find it?
> >
> No one has ported TeX that we are aware of, but you may want to try
> porting tex2rof to convert the texinfo file to a troff format that
> Coherent can handle.
>
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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Linux v. Coherent: Comments
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 21:48:11 PST

johnsonm@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Michael K. Johnson) writes:
> 
> In article <1ihc1iINNh6q@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
> 
>    Y'know, I've been thinking about this...  Folks are saying that the next
>    release of Coherent will have *loads* of stuff it doesn't have yet:
> 
	I doubt that it is practical or necesary for mwc to swipe linux
	code. The networking and sockets code, for the most part, will
	be so intimate with the kernel, that it would not be practical
	to use linux or bsd code. The rest of this material is publically
	available and a matter of porting.

> 	   1.) Graphics support
		^^^ probably X

> 	   2.) The GNU GCC compiler
		   ^^^^ porting it like everybody else
	
> 	   3.) TCP/IP Networking
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ there is little choice except to
		write this. I really don't think the Linux tcp-ip
	 	is mature enough yet to steal :)

> 	   4.) Sockets
		^^^^^^^^ this too is so platform specific, it will
		need to be written.

> 	   5.) X Windows
		^^^^^they can get X anywhere and port it.

Never-the-less, I'm not mwc and though I haven't used any linux code,
I do eye-ball it very closely for ideas and algorithms.

Randy

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From: dragos_m@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re:  perl ported?
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:51:48 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


        Hello from a beginner.
        Sorry to bother you, but what's perl anyway ?

        Thanks for your time,
        Dragos
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From: mtarrant@ATK.COM (Mike Tarrant)
Subject: Terminal question
Organization: Alliant TechSystems Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:21:49 GMT

  I just added a terminal to my system, so I can program in a more
comfortable location than where my console is located (my basement
electronics workshop).
  My question is, at a system level, how does Coherent "know" that the
terminal at the end of /dev/com4pl is a vt100, or a wyse50, or tvi925?
I know there is the TERM environmental variable in my .profile file,
but if I make that the terminal type, it'll be wrong when I log-on at
the console (ansipc).
  As far I have been able to determine, terminal type is tied to the
user, and I think it should be known only by the system.  What am I
missing?
                      - Mike
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: how many open files in 4.0.1?
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:49:16 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> I've been running a test program on many systems latey, to see how many
> files each system allows a single process to oopen. I was astonished
> to find that I could open 2000 files on AIX 3.2 on an RS/6000.
>
> I was further astonished to see that the program thought it failed after
> opening 13 files on Coherent 4.0.1.

At present Coherent supports 20 files but with other processes running the
system may have only 13 to 18.  On the next version of Coherent you will
have 60!


>
> Here's the program:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <fcntl.h>
>
> #define NUMFILES 5000
> main ()
>         {
>         int fds[NUMFILES];
>         char fname[50];
>         int index;
>
>         for ( index = 0 ; index < NUMFILES ; index++ )
>                 {
>                 sprintf (fname, "file.%d", index);
>                 fds[index] = creat (fname, 0666);
>                 printf ("%d\n", fds[index]);
>                 if (fds[index] == -1)
>                         {
>                         fprintf (stderr, "Failure opening file %s\n", fname);
>                         break;
>                         }
>                 printf ("opened file handle %d, filename %s\n", fds[index],
 fname);
>                 sleep (1);
>                 }
>
>         getchar();
>         for ( --index ; index >= 0 ; index-- )
>                 {
>                 close (fds[index]);
>                 sprintf (fname, "file.%d", index);
>                 printf ("unlinking %s\n", fname);
>                 unlink (fname);
>                 }
>         }
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Now, another thing that's interesting, is that even though the creat call
> returns -1 when opening file.13, IT STILL CREATES THE FILE. If I hack it
> up a bit so that it loops 20 times without regard to the return from
> creat() IT CREATES 20 FILES. The same thing happens when using open()
> rather than creat().
>
> Firstly, isn't this an unusually low limit on how many files a process
> can have open ?? (especially on a 4mb machine!?!??), and secondly,
> isn't this bizarre behavior of creating the file even though the
> returned file handle indicates an error rather BIZARRE?  Is this
> a bug (or two) or what?
>
> Fred
>
>
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