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From: edhresko@hresko.eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Subject: Re: Gatling/Vulcan/Chain Guns
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:10 GMT



	As a matter of fact, the chain gun concept was developed by an engineer
at Hughes who wanted to incorporate motorcycle parts with a gun.  The chain on
the prototype was a motorcycle chain.
	Also, the feed mechanism on the mini/Vulcan guns (not the chain gun) is
patented by GE.  The chain gun, I believe ejects the spent cases, while the 
mini/Vulcan guns collect the cases in the ammo hopper.
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Eric

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From: edhresko@hresko.eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Subject: Re: F/A-18 - afterburner in take off?
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:02:32 GMT



	The Russian carriers have a "ski-jump" flight deck, i.e, the front of 
the deck is sloped upwards.

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Eric

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From: megazone@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Most Powerfull Gun ? (Was The Gattling Gun)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:04:58 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <C17tCn.4HA@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (P. VASILION) writes:
>recoil induces. The AC-130U, in addition to the 105mm, carries one 40mm Bofors
>cannon, two 7.62 mini-guns, and two 25mm M-62 (? -- cant remember the desig-
>nation). It can also drop the 15,000 pound BLU-82 bomb.  The two 25mm 
>vulcan cannons can destroy a regiment of troops in less than 10 seconds. 

The AC-130U is the latest in the Spectre gunship line. Rubber gaskets around
all the guns to allow for pressurization of the cargo deck for crew comfort,
and to allow for higher altitudes and therefore more efficient flight.

One thing though, does the U carry the new GE 25mm gatling or does it still use
the M61AI 20mm Vulcan? The H still had the Vulcans, and you refer to both a
25mm gatling and the vulcan above. 'Vulcan' is not a generic term, but rather
a specific gun system.

Another thing, the BLU-82 is HUGE, and if you have seen the inside on the
AC-130 you'd realize that there is no room for the bomb and the guns. The
BLU-82 is normally dropped from C-130s or MC-130 Combat Talon Special 
Operations aircraft. Simply airdropped off the rear ramp. Not too accurate, but
with a device that powerful you don't need pinpoint accuaracy.

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From: leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: USE OF B-52 TAIL GUNS
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:21:41 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)

In article <C1F3vy.Ez@ra.nrl.navy.mil> mcdermot@itd.nrl.navy.mil (John McDermott) writes:
:Does anyone know of incidents of B-52's using tail guns during
:the Vietnam war?  I seem to recall reading of one such action,
:with the added interest that the tail gun functioned automatically
:without the crew seeing the attacking fighter. Is this true?
:John McDermott

The B-52's tail guns were radar and optically guided, they could
indeed be used to track and fire without the gunner seeing the target.

Lee

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From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Gatling/Vulcan/Chain Guns
Date: 23 Jan 1993 23:43:03 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <1993Jan23.190743.4570@news.columbia.edu> cjd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher J de Zorzi) writes:
>Question (gawd, I used to know this...getting rusty):  What exactly are the 
>differences between Gatling/Vulcan guns?  Also, a definition of a chain gun

Nothing. A 'Vulcan' is a specific weapon, the M61A1 6-barrell 20mm Vuclan
cannon is a gatling gun. In the same way as the GAU-8/A 7-barrell 30mm
Avenger is a gatling gun. It's just that the 'Vulcan' is so widespread that
it has become a generic name for some. Like 'Kleenex' for facial tissue.
(Hey, it's the only example I could think of on the spur of the moment.)

Now, let's see if I can get this right. A chain gun is an externally powered
single barrelled weapon with a rotating breach that allows for sustained
fire despite misfires. (Suposedly anyway...) It is call a 'chain gun' as
many examples (all?) have a drive chain that drives the mechanism.
Chain guns can be found on the AH-64 Apache, and maybe the Bushmaster cannon
on the M2/M3 and LAV... (I'm fuzzy on some ground equipment)

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From: megazone@granite.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: type differences
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:32:15 GMT
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In article <1993Jan21.175401@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>|> F-16B - two-seat trainer version of the F-16A  
>                    ^^^^^^^
> JUST A TWO-SEAT VERSION, NOT JUST A TRAINER
>|> F-16D - two-seat trainer version of the F-16C
>                    ^^^^^^^
> JUST A TWO-SEAT VERSION, NOT JUST A TRAINER

I typed in the F-16 info first, but I moved the entries into numerical order.
The F-16B/D, F-18B/D and F-15B/D were all developed as two-seat trainer 
versions of the corresponding single seaters. They are trainers. They do retain
the combat capability, although they may suffer from less fuel, etc, due to
the second cockpit. But that is why they existed in the first place.

Some have found other uses, such as the F-18D being used by the Marines as a 
strike aircraft much as the AF uses the F-15E. That is the only occurance in
US service that I know of a two-seat version who's primary mission is not as a
trainer. (Two seat version of a normally single seat aircraft.) And even then
the F-18D was originally a trainer for the F-18C which the Marines put to a
different use.

Which is why very few two-seaters exist in comparision to the single-seat
relatives.

They should all been labeled two-seat trainer version.

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From: mcdermot@itd.nrl.navy.mil (John McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: USE OF B-52 TAIL GUNS
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:16:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.C1F3vy.Ez
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC

Does anyone know of incidents of B-52's using tail guns during
the Vietnam war?  I seem to recall reading of one such action,
with the added interest that the tail gun functioned automatically
without the crew seeing the attacking fighter. Is this true?


John McDermott
From: cvalj001@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: south american AF's
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:49:11 GMT
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In article <hmlizam-210193133438@hmlizammac.erenj.com>, hmlizam@erenj.com (hector ) writes:
> Question: Does anyone know the capabilities and roles of the Chilean ENAER
> A36 Halcon attack jet or the A36M naval strike jet?
> 
> Hector Lizama
> hmlizam@erenj.com

I'm shooting from the hip so everything I may not be entirely accurate.  These
jets are lisensed copies of the CASA C-101 trainer.  They are used for
training, light strike, attack, close air support, etc.  The A-36M can carry
British built Sea Eagle anti-ship missiles.  For other missions, Chile can 
produce a wide array of aircraft ordnance including iron bombs, cluster bombs,
FAEs, rockets, gun pods, etc. I believe the max weapon load of these aircarft
is around 4000lbs.
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From: janm@Kiev.docs.uu.se (Jan Mattsson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Most Powerfull Gun ? (Was The Gattling Gun)
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:58:41 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
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megazone@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.082449.29908@unipalm.co.uk> steven@unipalm.co.uk (Steven Vincent) writes:

>>would stall the Aircraft on the second  or third shot! I know that the B-25H a
>>mounted a 75mm Howitzer (converted but basically low pressure) in the nose wit

>WHAT?!?! When did the B-52H Stratofortress EVER carry any gun other than the
>M61A1 in the tail? The B-52 is a bomber, not an attack aircraft.


Learn to read, buddy... ;-)
Steven Vincent is talking about the North American B-25 Mitchell, a twin-
engined light bomber used in WWII. There was indeed a version that carried
a 75 mm howitzer in the nose.

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From: chadwemy@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chad Barret Wemyss)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Most Powerfull Gun ? (Was The Gattling Gun)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:33:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1jmuvsINNn66@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@yoyodyne.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) writes:
>
>would stall the Aircraft on the second  or third shot! I know that the B-25H a
>mounted a 75mm Howitzer (converted but basically low pressure) in the nose wit
>
>WHAT?!?! When did the B-52H Stratofortress EVER carry any gun other than the
>M61A1 in the tail? The B-52 is a bomber, not an attack aircraft. BTW, so the
>Germans had a gun that stalled an aircraft in WWII. How much power did the 
>aircraft have? How big was it? (momentum) etc... that means nothing...
>If I recall correctly the Avenger at normal service trim produces 9000lbs 
>of force in recoil.
>

Pay attention!!!!! :-)  That's the B-25H (of WWII fame), not the B-52H.  The 
B-25, while originally a medium bomber, was modified as an "intruder" or attack
aircraft.  In one version, it had twelve foward firing 0.50 cal MG's for 
strafing, and in the H model, it had several MG's plus a 75mm howitzer, firing 
foward, for anti-ship work.  

Just as a point of interest, several models of the B-52 (jet powered heavy 
bomber, vintage 1050's to God knows when) had a quad 0.50 in the tail instead 
of the 20mm M61.


Chad Wemyss
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: B *25* != B*52* (was Re: Most Powerfull Gun ? (Was The Gattling Gun)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:43:50 GMT
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In article <1993Jan22.152626.9302@nwnexus.WA.COM> pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes:
>B-25 Mitchell Medium Bombers that did make them much more effective

See my other post for my appology. (Hey, I'm good, but I do screw up. ;-)  )

>As to the B-52 HEavey bomber, I recall that one variant may have
>had a 20 mm gun in the tail position.

The B-52A-G had a quad mount of .50-cal machineguns. I believe the G was the
first model to move the gunner up to the forward fuselage from the tail
position. (I haven't read up on the BUFF in a while, so take that with a
grain of salt.) The final model, the B-52H, mounted the M-61A1 6-barrell 20mm
gatling gun as a tailgun, and the gunner WAS up front with the rest of the
crew.

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From: tz10956@meibm20.cen.uiuc.edu (Thomas Zych)
Subject: Re: A-10 replacement
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:26:07 GMT

skronkvi@aton.abo.fi (Stefan Kronkvist INF) writes:


>-Is the A-10 operated by any other country than the USA.

No.

>-Are there any A-10:s in the Persian-gulf region at the moment.I recall reading
> somewhere that the A-10 was accounted for 80-90 % of the tank-kills in the 
> gulf-war.

Not sure.

> I read in an aviation-magazine about one year ago that there are plans to
> replace the A-10 with a spesial version of the F-16. Is this accurate? 

I believe these plans have been shelved, at least for the moment...

> The A-10 is of course getting old but it seems to me that it still is a
> very successful plane.Are there maybe any other problems with the plane
> that makes it useless in the near future?

There is the problem of structural fatigue - A-10 pilots have stressed the
aircraft _much_ more than the engineers ever expected.  To their credit, the
planes have held up very well, but the production line is long since closed
and therefore there is no capability to replace those that crash or 
otherwise become unflyable.

>-By the way,what kind of weapons (missiles,bombs...) are usually used by the
> A-10?

AGM-65 Maverick missles; 500, 1000, 2000 lb iron or laser-guided bombs;
cluster bombs; Durandal anti-runway weapons; AIM-9 Sidewinder AAMs for self
defence; probably others as well...

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From: dand@netcom.com (Daniel Deremiah)
Subject: Mig-29 questions.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:30:15 GMT

 

MIG-29 Features; information needed.

The demensions and capacity of the conformal fuel tank carried in the inter-
engine nacelle 'tunnel'.

Can the MIG-29 deploy the AS-7 Kerry in a ground attack role?  What about the 
AS-10, AS-11, AS-12 and the AS-14?

We know that the MIG-29 pilot has a helmet-mounted aiming sight that steers the
IRST, missile seeker heads and radar, providing quick weapons lock on.  We need
information on how exactly this system is integrated and how it functions.
What does it look like, what does the pilot see through it, etc.

Any references, sources, bibliography for information and/or sources for photos 
for the above topics are also needed.  

<dand@netcom.com>

P.S. any and all information that anyone can supply would be apriciated.
.
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From: huopio@lut.fi (Kauto Huopio)
Subject: The Tomahawk Case
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:59:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
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Peruutus: Mielipiteet ovat omiani.
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

It is very interesting to note how many people argued that the thing
that hit the hotel in Baghdad couldn't be a cruise missile. I believed
the story form the point where one newsman told that there was many
"shwoosh"-like sounds noticed near the hotel. The cruise missiles used
the route near the hotel even during the war two years ago, so why not
now..

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From: megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Most Powerfull Gun ? (Was The Gattling Gun)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:37:08 GMT
Organization: WPI Discordian Society, Undocumented Cabal
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In article <81260@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8303a@prism.gatech.EDU (The Great and Mighty Confused) writes:
>I am quite surprised at your mis-reading of the original post.  If I remember
>correctly the B-25 was a WWII bomber...twin props, etc.  As opposed to the
>B-52, a more modern heavy bomber.  No one ever said that the -52 had a 75mm
>howitzer in its nose, they said the B-25 did.  C'mon, use your eyes, read!

Zoner no baka! Thanks, I know I read B-52... Of course the screen said B-25.
That's what I get for placing sleep low on my priority list....

I know what the B-25 Mitchell was... 

This is an official appology for that screw up. Nailed by my .sig...

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From: D2KAK@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: F-16 Detail Documentation
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:12:55 GMT

Hi,
Hope this isn't out of line on this net, but I need close-up photos
of an F-16C Block 40. I am currently building a Radio Controlled model
of this aircraft for scale competion. In particular I am modelling the
jet in the Thunderbird paint scheme so photos of the birds in their new
F-16C's wouldbe great. Details of antennas, landing gear, static wicks,
and lights would be nice also. If you can supply the above I would be
willing to reimburse for copying, mailing, time etc.Please E-mail at
above address.
 
Thanx,
Kraig Krumm
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From: dwt8413@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (DANA)
Subject: F-111
Reply-To: dwt8413@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:04:07 GMT

Does anybody have a FAQ file on the F-111????
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From: edhresko@hresko.eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Subject: Re: Trivia
Originator: edhresko@c00552-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: edhresko@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:09:09 GMT



	If you consider that the mass of a military single seat aircraft is on
the order of tons and the mass of pilot + seat is probably on the order of 
fraction of ton, then the change in the CG would be so small, it would probably 
be on the order of inches, maybe 2 feet. 
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Eric

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From: lawrence@xenon.stanford.edu (Lawrence Taylor Waugh)
Subject: Re: last fighter kill by a bomber?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 09:19:49 GMT

In article <C1HvKu.FJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu  
(Larry Jewell) writes:
> When was the last date that a bomber shot down a fighter?  I'm assuming
> that it was probably after the end of WW2, but don't really know. 
> References would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Larry J


I'm not sure of the LAST one, but I know an AD-1 Skyraider (prop-driven  
SPAD) shot down a MiG during the 60's.  Actually, there may have been 2  
MiG kills by Spads.  I could find out the exact date if it turns out to be  
the latest kill.

The pilot told me something to the effect of,
"I found myself in an unusual position.  
	- On a MiG's tail
	- Chasing it uphill
	- and CLOSING.
What else could I do but shoot it?"

Seems the MiG had been climbing after this guy's wingman at the same time  
our hero was diving down to distract him.  The MiG started running out of  
airspeed right about the time the Spad bottomed out of his dive and pulled  
up behind the MiG.
From: liuwu@acuson.com (Wu Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: Most Powerfull Gun ? (Was The Gattling Gun)
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:01:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: acuson.1993Jan26.000104.13896
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

smccoy@dw3g.ess.harris.com (Scott McCoy) writes:
>[..stuff about 75mm aircraft weapons deleted...]
>The British also mounted a large (75mm?) cannon on Hurricanes
>during WWII for desert operations against Rommel's tanks in
>North Africa.

They were 40mm gun pods, mounted one under each wing.  Apparently
very effective against Axis armor available at the time.  As I
recall, one such Hurricane unit put pictures of flying can openers
on their aircraft...
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