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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News from the Bay Area (No not *that* Bay Area - Green Bay!)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:00:19 GMT
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Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr15.124429.20870@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...

>The keys are, first of all, if the Packers really want an FB #1
>trade down because he will surely be available in the middle of
>the first round.  We all know the Pack could use the extra picks
>obtained from trading down.

Sounds good to me.  Packers trade down for the 2nd year in a row.

> [Deletions] The Packers
>are another perfect example of a team that has drafted due to
>need, not the best player available.

I don't think you can support this statement.  The Packers have said 
almost every year that they just take the best athelete available.  In 
1989 for instance they took Mandarich when everyone agreed that their 
greatest need was QB.  (Note: They didn't know Majik was going to have 
such a great year.)

But it's really irrelevant 'cuz if you read on you'll see I agree with 
your basic assessment anyway.

>  As a result, the team is
>not very talented.  If this is a good year for OL, DL, and DB why not
>stock up on those positions early.  They can always draft a fullback
>in the mid rounds or pick up a blocking fullback via waiver or
>trade.

Okay, you've convinced me.  The Packers will either trade down or pick 
up a OL, LB or DE.  I *don't* think they need a DB but if Vincent is still 
available they could do worse than to select him.

OL, LB and DE are positions at which no team can ever have too many good 
players.  I mean that, while it's technically possible for a team to 
be so deap at these positions that they can pass up a truly good 
prospect, in reality this almost never happens.  And it's certainly 
not true for the Packers.

I'd just hate to see the Packers pick an OL with the 5th pick in the 
draft.  Not that it's not an important position but OLs just don't 
dominate a game.  Plus OL (especially OT) may be the hardest position 
in which to really get a fix on a college player's talent.

And in a 3-4 you depend on pass rushing LBs more than DEs.  With 
Bennet's 15 sacks, Paup's 7.5 and Steven's 5 the Packers aren't really 
needy at the LB position.  I'd hate to see any of these guys sitting on 
the bench when the team has so many other big holes.

Then who do I predict they'll draft?  I don't know.  I think it's 
going to depend entirely on who's available.  I don't know enough 
about who the other teams are going to pick to have a chance 
of figuring this out.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mark May
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:59:12 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <Ydu6D0C00awM8J61tl@andrew.cmu.edu>, et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge) writes:
> 
> 	I know that Mark May has been with the Skins for a long time, but does
> anyone know just how long? Also does anyone have any information on what
> pro bowl appearances he made, weright, height college, etc? 
> 	Any information anyone has on this trivia, I would deeply appreciate it
> if you would e-mail me or send it to the Bboardf or something.
> 
> 						erich

Mark May isn't with the Skins anymore.  I believe he moved through plan-b
2 or 3 years ago to the Chargers (?). He moved again this year I believe.
Brian Mulholland
From: djvh@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (david.van handel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bubby getting
Summary: and leaving football behind!
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:32:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr15.045222.21124@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.035546.22659@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, fredg@ariel.yorku.ca (Fredrick Gonsalves) writes:
> >
> >In article <1992Apr11.172445.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, f67709317@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
> >>> More astounding news coming out of the Steeler camp regarding Bubby Brister.
> >>> According to reliable sources, Bubby is getting divorced from Morganna, only
> >>> a few hours after marrying her in a private ceremony.  Bubby commented,
> >>> "I figured that marrying a big-breasted woman isn't going to help me
> >>> regain the touch on my passes, which I feel I need to compete as a top-
> >>> flight NFL quarterback."  Morganna had no comment.
> >>> 
> >Is this for real???????????
> 
> Of course. Isn't *everything* on r.s.fb.pro for real ? q:-)
>                                          
	There is an interesting interview in the May issue of Rolling Stone
about this.  In the interview, Bubby says that he is fed up with both football
AND marriage.  He's let his hair grow out (he calls it BIG hair), and will 
quit the NFL to tour with Van Halen.  He says he needed the career change, 
and the mindless babes to help him forget his marriage to Morganna.  A major 
factor in his decision was his mom, who said she just can't take reading 
r.s.fb.pro articles about him any longer.  Mean Joe may come aboard as a 
roadie - he's still upset at not getting the head coaching job.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: CHIEFS PREVIEW
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  9 APR 92 11:07:44    

In article <64070003@col.hp.com>, gc4403@col.hp.com (George Castaneda) writes...

>         Kreig (sp) is not the answer!!!!

Depends on the question.  Schottenheimer is a pretty good judge of QB 
talent.  If he thinks Krieg can do it I'll say "Oh, okay.  I didn't 
realize he was that good."

I pick the Chiefs to be the AFC's entry in the SB next year.  (But 
then I said that last year too.  WhatdoIknow?)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 00:01:22 EDT
From: <JBL108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Distribution: na

Yeah . his name is Sean Gilbert.
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49'ers will be champions again!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:38:40 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr16.063022.16099@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> 
> 
> The 49ers will NOT win the NFC West or the conference for a number of reasons:
> 
Agreed, but your reasons suck.
> 
> 1. Joe Montana may be back, but the team has changed a lot.
> 
So?  Montana still will have great WRs, one of the best TEs, still no running
game, and an OL that is average at best.  Sounds like the same team to me!
Joe M. IMO will not return to form this season.  He may perform adequately,
but he will not be the "old Joe"

> 2. The Falcons are overall better than the 49ers.
> 
yeah sure...look there's Elvis! No don't say that, you'll get Glanville
excited!

> 3. If Philadelphia couldn't get into the playoffs with 10 wins, would the
>    49ers? No.
> 
How does this affect next season???

> 4. Their offense couldn't handle the defense of the Redskins, the Eagles,
>    or the Saints.
> 
The SF offense was ranked over the Redskins for awhile during the season,
although I don't have the stats on the O at the end of the season.

> 5. Their defense, without Holmgren, would be pummeled by the Redskins, the
>    Eagles, the Falcons, the Lions, the Cowboys, the Bills, the Chiefs,
>    the Raiders (if Shroeder plays well), and the Saints.
> 
What's Holmgren got to do with it? He was the OFFENSIVE coordinator!!!

> 
>   GO BILLS!!!  49ERS AND THE BILLS FIRST WEEK!!!!!!!!
> 
My $$$ is on the Bills.  Joe will show rust. 

> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
> 
> 
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Brian Mulholland
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: WLAF standings
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:35:57 GMT

In article <72864@netnews.upenn.edu> flumen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Brian M Flumen) writes:
>Could someone post the WLAF standings as of now.
>


Could someone buy this person a newspaper?
-- 
-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Why the Jets (addressed to Jets guy)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:59:31 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

This is addressed solely to the Jets guy I have been argueing with.

We have been going back'n'forth about the Jets vs Miami..
You STILL don't get the point!!!
I NEVER SAID that Miami was a better team this year.  You seem to keep
thinking I am.  What i am saying is That assuming 1 of the four teams
other than the Bills in the AFCeast were to knock the Bills out of
the division title situation next year, IMO the Miami Dolphins would do it.
My reasons were based on the fact that Miami has the more EXPLOSIVE
ability, and has some impact talent.  I then stated that the Jets have
very little IMPACT talent but alot of OVER-ALL talent.  I DO think the
Jets will have a better record next year.  BUT _IF_ someone was to knock the
Bills out NEXT year I think the Jets still have to far to go to do it NEXT
year, while the 'Phins could (IMO) because of Dan Marino if they get their
defensive help they are looking for.  I also agree with your post saying
that in 2 years the Jets will be one of the toughest teams in the AFC.
I am talking about NEXT YEAR and only NEXT YEAR's division battle.
please stop argueing the jets are a better all-around team and will be
great in 2 years, because I am not saying that...It came from you 
shoving words I do not agree with into my mouth!
Brian Mulholland
PS you want proof that O'Brien is pathetic...watch a Jets' game!!! any one
he sux in all of them.  You want stats..I cannot give them because no one
has or will give me stats from the year since I was on vacation the day
they were published in the papers, and I missed that day.  What
I am argueing is from the couple times I saw the idiot in action.  My HS
QB was better and we had a crappy passing game!  (sarcasm)
From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Matt Millen
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:27:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr16.172736.14875
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

From today's Washington Post:

CBS has offered Matt Millen an audition to become a color analyst for
next football season.  He will be going to New York soon to discuss
the details.  Coach Joe Gibbs has also told Matt there is a place for
him on the Redskins next year.  Matt indicated that he still wanted to
play at least one more season.  He said that he still loves the game
and thinks he has something to contribute.

I remember there was a lot of discussion on the net when Matt's name
appeared on the Skins Plan B list that he might go back to the 49ers
in some capacity as a player or coach.  Any word about Matt in San
Francisco recently?

schalene
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Subject: Dallas Rumor. *Danger Will Robinson Danger*
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na,local
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:12:06 GMT

A rumor off another board says the following was reported in New York
today:

A deal between the Cowboys and the Bengals is done.  Dallas would give
up its first pick in the first and second rounds in exchange for the
number 4 overall pick held by Cinncinati.  They would use this pick on
Terrell Buckley, a player that they are higher on than Troy Vincent.

I don't think this trade is realistic given the high price that a #4
pick could bring.  However, that is the rumor as I heard it...

Also, this would make the draft very interesting if Dallas does do the
deal. Then we could have Washington picking ahead of Dallas and both
getting the corner that they think fits best in their scheme.... Or
might the Skins take Buckley just to spite the Cowboys?  Probably not,
but when two DB's are as different as Buckley and Vincent and so
equally rated by ALL agencies, it could get interesting....

eci (earth centered inertial)

and ice backwards.....


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packer Fan Rule #2
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 13 APR 92 16:50:45    

PACKER FAN RULE NUMBER 2:

    In any give year, the draft will be weakest in what ever position
    the Packers most desparately need to fill.

For years - YEARS! - the Packers have needed defensive ends.  Every 
year they've been saying "This is a crummy year for DEs."  Now the 
Packers need a FB.  What do they say?  "This is a crummy year for 
FBs."  Also, note that this is a great year for DEs.  Not that the 
Packers couldn't still use a DE but they really, really need an FB.

One more thing, in most of the other years in which everybody said there 
were no good DEs, it turned out that there really was at least 1 very 
good DE.  Sometimes they were 3rd or 4th round choices that every 
*wishes* their team had picked #1.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: apyted@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T. Steegman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills/ Jets receiver trade? Not!
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	That last post said that many NFL teams would trade their receivers
for those of the Jets. Please get real.Though the Jets have SOME talent,
they have a long way to go before the Bills would trade Reed, Beebe, and Lofton
for a has been and a few might be's.  Miami will provide the only significant
challenge to the Bills in this coming year in the AFC East. Also, I don't feel
that the Chiefs will have as good a year as last. Just a hunch. Denver in the
West, Oilers in the Central. That is unless Brister comes back from the dead
or wherever he is...

Tom Steegmann
Bills in 93, Cause I'm not getting any younger!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re:Draft thoughts
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:29:46 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University


=LA Raiders: Marinovich failed another drug test. Might have to look 
=at a QB again in the draft, or trade for Andre Ware..

Since when has failing a drug test stopped the Raiders from starting 
a player?   ;{>

Or any other team.   :{>




Silver & Black
From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CHIEFS PREVIEW
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:39:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <64070003@col.hp.com>, gc4403@col.hp.com (George Castaneda) writes:
>
>
>
>         Kreig (sp) is not the answer!!!!
>
What is he then, the question.  Talk about a real team like the Steelers.
I'll take Bubby any day over David Krieg.  Wait till we get Jeff George.
-- 
               TONY, TONY, TONY
               BROADHEAD 312
               758-1378
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From: kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Team colors
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:56:53 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <1992Apr10.112343.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, ccas27@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>   I thought Miami's official colours were Aquamarine, Coral and White
>   i.e. the  orange is actually coral. On a slightly un-related note do any
>   other Miami fans think that they should switch back to an ALL white away
>   uniform instead of the white shirts and shiny aqua trousers ( pants ), I
>   think the aqua pants make them look like a bunch of candy ass tarts (hookers)
> 
>   Is it a league rule governing this - as all the other teams seem to have 
>   abandoned their all white away uniforms as well ?

I believe the Colts still sport all-white.  And, much as I hate them, I 
agree with you.  That's a good look for a football team. 

						----Ken Winkler
						    (kwinkler@pbs.org)

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Brister SUX!!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:48:58 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Apr14.135416.2868@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>  
un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
> There is a guy out there by the name of Christian Day I believe who
> seems to have an idea that Brister is a "good leader" and isn't
> a junker QB.  I wish to tell him that Brister SUX!!!  The guy
> is bad from head to toe...he can throw the ball well and that is it.
> One person caompared him to a Jay Shroeder, but Brister doesn't even  
have
> Jay's #1 asset, a gun arm.  Brister makes bad reads, is only average at
> throwing the deep ball, has 0 timing, and whne he was benched after his
> "injury" he whined like a baby.  Brister has no class, brains or poise.

Yep, he sure is doing a great job in following in the footsteps
of Mark Malone.  (Actually, to be fair to Bubby, he is better than
Malone.)



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Jim Mann                                       
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Stratus Computer
From: ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:11:30 GMT
 <1992Apr8.202601.21024@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> 
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	<16030@bunny.GTE.COM>
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Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Reasons why I am excited about the Jets' 1992 season, and beyond:
(not in any particular order)

Bruce Coslet - a good young coach, not a retread
Browning Nagle - shows glimmers of hope, *possible* star, if not decent QB
Blair Thomas - has shown nothing in past two years, but that just means
if he does eventually, the running game will be *even* better, if he
doesn't, the running game is still one of the best in the league
Offensive Line - improving in pass blocking, good rush blocking
Rush Defense - one of the best in AFC
Overall - young team, looking forwards to the future

Jets and Dolphins fans can debate as much as they (we) want about the
Dolphins and the Jets, it'll get no one anywhere.  They'll settle it on
the field next year, as they did last year and proved who, among the
two, *was* better.  The Jets were better, on a Jets vs. Dolphins basis,
and better vs. the league.  Maybe that'll happen again, maybe not.  I
hope and think it will.  

What do impartial fans think?






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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: un040276@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: It is Over....
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:03:30 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

I like that forty-niners like any one else, but I think personally it is
time for Joe to Hang up the shoes, throw in the towel before he really 
gets hurt seriously, when a player has had as many injuries as Joe has 
had, I would have quit a long time ago.  He has had a great career, but 
all good things must come to an end.......
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: S.F. and RAIDERS.....Silver&Black
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:12:29 GMT

easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ) writes:
What happened to him.
>>
>>
>>
>>Silver & Black


 >Vann McElroy.  He was a pro-bowler a few years back.

 He broke a bone in his throat a few years ago. When they picked up Lott
 Seattle picked him up (Raiders either waived him or Plan B'd him).
 But there was another Safety in there too... I dont remember who...

 el

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From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Phone #'s of Vegas casinos taking bets on '92 SB winner?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:52:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr6.175246.19070
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

>In article <1992Mar30.195145.15068@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>> Anybody know the phone numbers of some of the casinos in Las Vegas?  I 
>> want to place a bet that a certain team is going to win the SB in 
>> 1992 (but only with a *real* casino so save your breath [or your 
>
Did you mean this as a trick question?  It could be so interpreted.
Do you want to place a bet for the winner in the year 1992 (Redskins) 
or the winner of the 1992 NFL season (yet to be determined)?  Would be
interesting to have asked for part of the action and see how many
people took you up on it without any clarification ;-)
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Predictions '92 from H-man
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:31:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Apr7.164834.9355
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

NFC Central
-----------
Packers  16-0  (With Holgren in charge, Majik back, a good FB picked 
		up via the draft this team should be unbeatable.)
Lions    1-15
Vikings  1-15
Bears    1-15
Bucs     1-15

NFC East
--------
Everybody 1-15

NFC West
--------
Everybody 1-15

AFC
----
1-15

Playoffs
--------
Wildcards - Who cares?

NFC Chamionship
Packers 75 - Somebody Else 0  (Packers defense dominates.)

AFC Championship - Who cares?

Superbowl
Packers 98 - Some Crummy AFC Team 0  (Packers defense forces a funble on 1st 
play of each possession of AFC team.  Offense scores at will.  Holgren 
puts 3rd string at half time so Pack's score doesn't quite reach 3 figures.)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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From: johnson@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Cole Johnson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:29:02 GMT
Subject: Joe Montana's ready......
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

In Sat SF Chonicle says Joe Montana is throwing 75-100 passes 
every other day and some over 50 yards with no pain.  Anyone
else hear anything more.  He says he'll be attending the rookie
mini-camps to work on his accuracy and he's getting itchy to
start playing.  Say's he hasn't been this "ready" in his whole
career.

I don't care what people say, I'm a Joe Montana fan and he is
the reason the 49ers have done so well over the years.  Even if
it's the last time, I think he can take them all the way.

Comments?  Haven't been reading this group much during the off
season so you're welcome to mail.

johnson@hpcc28.corp.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

> 
>	How good is he really, aside from all the hoopla and opinions 
>is he really a total loss , after all he does play in the NFL.
> 
>	Are his stats bad because of bad o-line or other factors. 
>could he would he perform better with a better o-line in front of 
>him and better coaching.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Actually he isn't a horrible QB. I think he just pushed too hard last
season, and didn't seem able to work the offense Pitt was running.
He has some talent, but he forces the ball too much and makes poor
decisions. Reminds me of Jay Shroeder. Lot's of skill but zero
poise.

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