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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Does Vitamin B-6 Enhance Dream Rememberance and Quality?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:08:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

dave@cyborg1.nmt.edu (Dave Cuddihy) writes:

>In article <BwuGrI.1z4@world.std.com>, jhansen@world.std.com (Jeff Hansen) writes:


>	Anyhow, if anyone knows about either this or Ginseng, let me know...


This is all that I know about Ginseng.  Ginseng improves circulation. It
does not have any noticable effects when taken now and then, but when
taken regularly (3 times a day as directed by my bottle) the user will
feel more alert in general and possible have more physical energy.

This could account for its effects on dreams.  If you have more energy,
your dreams may reflect this and if you are more alert, you may remember
them better.

After about a week of taking Ginseng on a regular basis, I noticed a 
significant improvement attention span.  I go to night school and found
it difficult to have the energy to study in the evening.  After taking
the Ginseng, I felt physically tired in the evenings, but mentally, more
alert.  I haven't noticed that my dreams are any better, but my dreams
are usually pretty clear.

I have noticed that my dreams, now that I work full time and study part
time are significantly less frequent and vivid than when I went to school
full time.  


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: crash...
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:59:36 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <yy+ql_b@lynx.unm.edu>, preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser) writes:
> In article <philip.721012849@labtam>, philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>>Anson Kennedy writes:
>>
>>>The point is that with 5 billion people dreaming every night, 
>>>occasionally someone will dream of *something* which seems to
>>>correspond to an actual event.  If you had not heard the report
>>>of the actual accident, your dream would probably be quickly
>>>forgotten.

>>  These sort of arguments don't get you anywhere.  You could be having real
>>precognitive dreams and still dismiss them because they are "statistically
>>bound to happen".

>>  Personally, I think the invention of statistics by the scientific community
>>was a scam to make it easier for them to ignore the hard questions :-) :-)

> When we have a hard question, and not enough evidence to support a definitive
> answer, we can use statistics to point us in the right direction.  In fact,
> once we have enough evidence on precognative dreams, statistical methods can
> indicate to us whether our results are really evidence of precognition or
> whether they are due only to random coincidence.

There is an explanation that doesn't require any of this messy statistics
stuff. The dreamer could have heard about the crash on the radio, from 
someone talking about it nearby, shouts from outside the window,etc. Lord
knows I've had this happen while slleping with the radio on enough times.
Spooked the hell out of me until I dreamt about something that was so
exhilarating I woke up right away, got depressed because I thought it was
only a dream, and then heard the rest of the news story on the radio.

>>| Philip Stephens, Systems Programmer. | %%%%  %     Labtam Australia Pty Ltd |
>             
> Doug.

Brandon
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Occam's Razor, disproving precognition.
From: boyken@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:26:11 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., U. of Iowa

In article <gj156879.721082288@cunews>, gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj
student 156879) writes:

> 
> Occam's razor, for those of you who don't know, is the idea that the
> most likely reason for something occuring, is the SIMPLEST
> explanation.

Occam's razor is very useful.  But it is a subjective aesthetic principle,
because there is no objective definition of simplicity that applies uniformly
in every case.  Any explanation that resorts to the use of Occam's razor is
actually an appeal to intuition, and cannot be a wholly logical, rational
explanation.

>  
> It's a neat little reality checker.  Someone mentioned it earlier,
> saying that using occam's razor, you can look at a case of
> precognition in a dream and say "Eh, just a coincidence".  It IS the
> simplest explanation, yes.

It is the simplest explanation, given certain unprovable assumptions about the
world, such as the assumption that all mental activity has a physical cause,
for example.  Given other unprovable assumptions, the coincidence explanation
may not be the simplest.

*****   _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize    *****
Karl Boyken, sys. prog.   | We dance 'round in a ring and suppose,
Dept. of Computer Science | while the Secret sits in the middle and
The University of Iowa    | knows.
karl-boyken@uiowa.edu     |                 --Unknown (by me, anyway)

Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Please cross-post to alt.out-of body (was Re: Who did OBE research?)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:35:26 GMT

In <1992Nov11.195551.21618@leland.Stanford.EDU> clint@matia.Stanford.EDU
	(Jennifer Dole) writes:

> Hold up there! You must have misinterpreted a part of the book
> _Lucid_Dreaming_. Stephen LaBerge did NOT do the "fairly extensive 
> OOBE experiments" that you describe...

Hello all.  Just a gentle reminder to everyone in alt.dreams that there is
now a newsgroup called "alt.out-of-body" to deal with the subject, and it
would be nice if anyone who mentions the subject here could at least cross-
post to that newsgroup.  Just stick a:

	Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body

in the header of your article.

Thanks.

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Who do these characters get peeved?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:24:54 GMT

I have a theory as to why dream characters get annoyed when you tell
them they are "just" dream, and it has to do with Multiple Personality
Disorder (MPD for short).  Think of your standard MPDer, (the
stereotypical one)  many characters fighting over one body.  Now
consider how in a dream, you are the ego, the main dude in control,
and the rest of the beings around you are "lesser personalities".
Needless to say, when you tell them they are JUST dream, they'd get
pissed off, because they ARE you, or a facet of who you are.
 
They are a smaller part of you, with less control, but they are
"individuals" to a certain extent.   The reason I think this is
plausible is because many MPDers feel that EVERYONE has multiple
personalities, it's just that with MPDers they have less control over
the change, and the personalities are more distinct (as opposed to us
"normals" where the personalities overlap, and have their distnictness
in dream, only?)...
 
A theory.  What do you all think?
 
                                                  Nik
                                              Just how many MEs are 
                                                         there???

Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
From: barua@plains.NoDak.edu (Soumen Barua)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Bill
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:11:51 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Last night I had a dream. I saw Bill Clinton. Then I saw war. I also had an
idea (In the dream) that if I were the President I would have allowed the
Feminist Group to decide everything about women.
Thats all.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kaminl@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: This type of dream...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:48:01 GMT

In article <790wTB6w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) writes:
>002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
>
>> ...Have you ever had a fever dream?
> 
> My fever dreams were object-oriented as opposed to plot-oriented (

Yeah, mine too. The one I remember most from my childhood involved an
image of a sofa floating over a huge chess board. Other than that, 
everything was an endless void. There was this tremendous feeling of
complete dread and a strong sense that something irreversible and horrible
was happening- indeed, at the time, it was *the* worst possible thing to
me, whatever "it" was. The sofa was recognizable as the one that we had
downstairs in the family room. For some reason, this dream also seemed
to be connected with the TV show "Three's Company," which I used to watch
quite often. I can't explain this last point, but it just seemed that way.

Brrr.... I still get a creepy feeling just thinking about the dream.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ljason@wam.umd.edu (L. Jason colton)
Subject: Why do I keep waking up? (not dream related)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:26:57 GMT


Hi.  I'm not very familiar with this newsgroup, but I figured that if 
I had at least a sleep-related question, this might be a nice lil old place
to go....


Anyway, my problem.

For months now, I've been waking up in the mornings after only five hours 
of sleep.  I'm still completely tired, and feel as if I've been awoken 
halfway into my sleep for the evening.  Yet still, it continuously happens.

I've observed that 7.5-8 hours seems to be the appropriate sleeping time 
for me.....so why would I so consistently wake up after 5 hours?

Is it that my REM sleep ends after this time, so I'm more succeptable to 
disturbance from outside noises etc?  I don't know.


	Any help on this would be definitively apprecitaed.



				and email is always welcome.


					thanks.


				ljason@wam.umd.edu.   O-|--<

					   JASON.
From: Tarzan
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: I SEE LIGHTS...
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:33:47 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Nov5.183358.18050@gnosys.svle.ma.us> gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
(Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
>In <002369c.39.720913401@ace.acadiau.ca> 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca
>	(WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
>
>> Have you ever had the experience of closeing your eyes at night or whenever 
>> you go to sleep and see patterns form?
>
>Yes.  The experience is called "hypnagogia."  There's a good book on the
>subject by Andreas Mavromatis called simply _Hypnagogia: the Unique State
>of Consciousness Between Wakefulness and Sleep_ (Routledge & Kegan Paul,
>London & New York, paperback edition published 1991, ISBN 0-415-05794-9).
>
>I don't think this subject is relevant to our discussion, though, and suggest
>followups be posted to alt.dreams.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Gary
>--


Gary,  I have to dissagree.   There are many separation techniques which
involve the use and control of hypnogogic imagery.   Once in the hypnogogic
state it is supposedly much easier to separate.   If this news group is going
to try to censor every bit of related (as I see it) information  we're not
going to get very far...

												Tarzan
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: strange experience
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:18:46 GMT

In article <_m#qpkp@lynx.unm.edu>, preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.215430.17985@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <3NOV199206161465@vx9000.weber.edu>, melbarbari@vx9000.weber.edu (Mansour Elbarbari) writes:
>>>When my uncle was 19 or so back in 1967 he was in the woods of northern Utah
>>>with some friends camping.  It was late at night when he decided to get up
>>
>>....long account deleted...
>>
>>>on my uncles neck vanished but leaving a soft sore scar.  My uncle is a very
>>>credible type person.. He is an accountant who golfs on Sundays with the
>>>stuffy executive kind and rarely tells anyone of his alter existance.
>>>
>>Do you or your Uncle have one shred of evidence for any of this?
>>
>>Erik Timmerman
>
>Oh lay off!  He's just relating an experience. We can choose to believe it or
>not. This is alt.dreams, not alt.sci.skeptic. We talk about dreams here, things
>that you can't exactly supply hard evidence for.
>
>Doug.
>   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
>   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb                     I do M

Okay, I'm prepared to admit I was a little shrill.  This kind of stuff
raises my hackles.  He didn't say his uncle dreamed this, and it
would have made a nifty dream, he said this actually happened to his
uncle.  

I think there's a high probability we are not alone in the universe,
but just once I would like to see an alien contact story accompanied
by a chunk of actual hardware or photographs or drawings of same rather
than these magically disappearing artifacts.

I agree with you, Doug; this is alt.dreams not alt.national-enquirer.

Erik Timmerman
From: v067s2qs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (John P Demarco)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: help with lucidity
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

i want to know how i can have lucid dreams.i have never heard of them before i
started reading this group and they sound amazing. ppl have suggested to others
that have asked to write down what they dream of right after they wake up.
the thing is--- i dont remember most of my dreams, maybe only two or three a
week.and when i'm dreaming  it seems like  i'm experiencing it from two
perspectives at once. one perspective is of myself watching the dream on a
screen and the other is from the eyes of my dreamself.and i never seem to
realize that i'm dreaming while i'm dreaming---sometimes i think "gee this is
wierd" or something of the sort but i never seem to become aware.
  i've been doing reality checks every so often. how often should you do
them,anyway?  
    thisis very frustrating 'cause i'm so psyched to have one--- even though i
realize that me beeing so anxious probably gets in the way 

  suggestions would be appreciated :)

ive also got some dreams i'd like to tell you all about but i 
think i'm gonna have to do it when ive got more time
later'


    john demarco v067s2qs@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dwhall@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Dean W Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Lucidity
Summary: For StarTrek fans and Lucid Dreamers
Keywords: lucid star trek dream control
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:42:39 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Being an avid Trek:TNG fan, I had a particularly enjoyable lucid dream.
While dreaming : once I realized that it was a dream, I called for a door.
Lo and behold, the Control Port for the Holodeck appeared.  From there I 
verbally defined my environment.  The parameters appeared and I began my 
journey.  The environment turned out to be my neighborhood from my childhood.
From there, I partook in my favorite lucid dreaming pasttime (other than sex)
which is to fly.  I always had trouble 'lucid flying' before because I would
often crash, and hence, awaken.  But this time, when I fell out of control
while flying, the Holodeck's protection parameters gently dropped me to the 
ground!  I spent a long while in that dream flying.  I ended up missing my
alarm and hence my 7:30 class.  But it was worth it.
NOW THAT'S DREAMING.

May your nights be long and your dreams be lucid,
-Dean Hall
-Telnet:  dwhall.matt.ksu.ksu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (YOU FILTHY BOOOOOOFHEAD..........)
Subject: Re: Do you have a dream?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:52:56 GMT

In article <dmp.18@engr.latech.edu>, dmp@engr.latech.edu (Delaine Pylant) writes:
> At first glance, you may assume that in referring to dreams, this may not be 
> the correct posting area - then again, let me stress that this is where many 
> successful stories begin - with a dream.  
> 
> Do you have a dream?
> 
> Can you tell me what it is?
> 
> Have you figured out what it takes to get there, but can't seem to make 
> any headway toward it?  
> 
> I can help you achieve your dreams, honestly, legitimately, and at whatever 
> pace you care to travel at.  
> 
> There is no job security today.  Not even the guarantee that you'll get the
> gold watch and plaque.  Don't become a statistic - fight back -
> 
> Mail me, I won't let you down.


If you want to make money , go somewhere else with your Network Marketing
Crap !!!!!!............You vulture.


Minc Brokke.

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Australia.
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From: zimm@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Laurie Zimmerman, HHMI, Univ. of Pa.)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: dracula movie dream
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:00:46 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

my strangest dream last night was this: i went to see the movie dracula and i
had seen ads for it - the devil was in it, and he was a cartoon.  when i went
to see the movie, i was suddenly *in* the movie and was in a dump 
		(yes i just saw jennifer 8)
with the grandfather from the munsters and assorted other ghouls.  they were 
digging around in a lava pit and pulling up different monsters.  they were 
looking for the devil but kept pulling up skeletons and less harmful creatures.
then they pulled up what i recognized as the devil.  it was lifeless so far but
i had seen the ads and i knew this was going to be scary.  i hid behind a 
discarded bathroom sink and resigned to closing my eyes when the devil came to 
life.  but i was in the movie! so that wouldn't do me any good. then the devil 
came to life and started after me but i stayed behind my little bathroom sink 
and closed my eyes.  the devil was just this black being, shaped like the devil 
from the movie legend and he had pupilless red eyes.  the other characters in 
the movie were real, not cartoons, including myself.

anyone? cathal, are you out there? help!  i spent the next hour trying to
remember this dream so i could write it here... then i fell asleep.
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (WhiteFeather)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Who do these characters get peeved?
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:12:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov12.214623.10286@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.104828.20417@yang.earlham.edu> connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly) writes:
>>>In article <gj156879.721081494@cunews>, gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>>>> consider how in a dream, you are the ego, the main dude in control,
>>>> and the rest of the beings around you are "lesser personalities".
>>>> Needless to say, when you tell them they are JUST dream, they'd get
>>>> pissed off, because they ARE you, or a facet of who you are.
>>>[...]
>>>> A theory.  What do you all think?
>>>
>supposedly there is some primitive tribe people that highly regard their
>dreams and they claim that you should talk to these other people in your dream
>and if they are bothering you take action to protect yourself and then demand
>a gift from them...like make them tell you what they represent etc.
>i think this one from of steve laberge(sp?) books???

A Senoi tribe (Aborigines) whose lives are influenced greatly by the
meanining they find in their dreams. (written about in many books)
What is interesting about research done in their community, is that
they are very peaceful and happy people who work together amazingly
well.
There are many, many cultures who work with dreams in many different
ways -- finding insight in the symbology and messages of dreams.
Where, "Characters, objects, situations, and myths" in dreams, are
believed to be a gift -- that we can learn from, to help ourselves
'here'. Whether confronting the "character" or thing in the dream,
or working with the dream "here", to find out what we may not be aware
of.
 ... Very wise beliefs, in my opinion. Doesn't seem too popular in our
Western culture. Any ideas on why this might be? Not scientific
enough, or maybe just not a comfortable theory because we were never
taught differently? Never taught to look a little deeper under the
surface?   Not sure.
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 08:51:39 -0500 
From: Sreyas Srinivasan <ssaf+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A Question to lucid dreamers...

   Thanks to your question, I just had that kind of lucid dream this
morning. On Tuesday, when I originally read your question, I thought
about it a lot. It sounded really interesting.

    The dream went like this:
        My sister, my mother and I are in our old house in DC. We're
packing stuff-getting ready to move. I'm talking naturally with my
sister and notice something's different. I am dreaming, i think. Things
get vivid fast. I walk around and do "stuff". 
        Then, your question pops into my head. I go up to my sister and
ask her "Sar, do you know I'm dreaming right now?". She ignores me. I
ask the qeustion about three times, and the last time she looks right
into my eyes and freezes.
   She doesn't move. There's a real forlorn look on her face.
    I begin to float up one or two feet. I'm elated. I descend the
stairs into the basement but crash through the floor. I was too excited
about my discovery.
                -Sreyas Srinivasan
From: mad@spirit.clearpoint.com (Michael Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: night terriors
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:12:08 GMT
Organization: Walking Dead Man Bar and Grille


On 5 Nov 92 20:56:59 GMT, bell@vax.sonoma.edu said:

jmb> I am looking for information on night terriors.  What purpose do
jmb> they serve.  Can any one out there give me some good ideas of
jmb> places to start?

Night terriers once served the purpose of finding and killing night
rats, but now they mostly just keep people's feet warm. :^).

Oh, you mean night terrors.  Sorry.

I occasionally get them, usually during periods of greater than normal
stress in my personal life or at work.  Maybe they are a way of
reminding me to slow down and relax.

jmb>   Thanks in advance.
jmb>   Jane M. Bell

-Mike					mad@spirit.clearpoint.com


All that we are is the result of what we have thought... If a man
speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel
follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage.

                               --- The Buddha
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: edd699esft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Wow! So that's what it was... "My 1st lucid dream"
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:49:40 GMT


>>
>>Have others experienced this?  Is there a bilateral assymmetry to it?
>>---
>>Michael Turner
>>miket@tcs.com


> 
> When I have looked at my hands in dreams I've looked at both of them at the
> same time with no effort.  They usually look strange though, or out of focus.


I have had the same experience.  When I look at my hands during lucid dreams
my hands look deformed (only three large fingers on one hand) or the fingers
are too long or too short.

> 
> Doug.


Vincent,

Monash University,
Melbourne,
Australia.