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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Art Modeling
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:01:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Oct5.144347.14960@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
-
-   I paid for a considerable portion of my college expenses by modeling
-   for the art department in a class situation and for grad students
-   which were usually private studion situations.  Nude or not, it
-   was easy and simple.  Frequently, I was able to read/study while
-   the art students worked.
-
-   So, what are your questions?
-

Do those hiring nude models for art have specific body types they are
looking for?  It seems to me that photographers go after specific types
(young, firm, female) but maybe that impression is just based on what
sells.  I am NOT much of an art afficionado.  But I am curious if they
take all forms (fat, skinny, with muscles, without muscles, etc) when
looking for nude art models.

I also find it interesting that they seem to use men as subjects as well
as women.  Would you say it is just about even or is there a preference?

-- 
"These are difficult times for our country, and in searching for the causes
of our social ills, we could chose to blame the media, or the congress, or
an administration that's been in power for 12 years, or we could blame me."
							Murphy Brown
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: menu
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:34:45 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College


 WEll I've received alot of responses about what I should do to avoid
people walking in on me while I'm nude in my room but I guess I failed
to explain my situation thoroughly . Many people told me to lock my door.
Well you see I live in a dorm that is divided up into suites, our front 
door locks but inside are 4 bedrooms with doors that don't always lock.
We tried putting a lock on our bathroom but to no luck because the maintenance
man removed saying it was a fire hazard. I did get a response telling
me to hang a sign up that says " nUde person dwelling inside", but you see
that would probably get me the same reactions as before, oh well I guess
there is no way to win here... I guess I'll just have to BARE it all!
From: Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: PROTEST! (SORT OF)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:18:50 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ

Remember Berkley is what it is......I think it would go over at 
that place only.....and I think it does not give a good light on nudists
as a person who is from the conservative east I look at that as pure shock
value and they have lost the beauty in the naturist life style.
Atleast in my case I have grown to see that I don't want to need to push the
issue on someone else I just enjoy the freedom whenever and wherever I
can......as for the hugs yes, most people are taken back at how beautiful and
honest and loving nudists are.....one more point keep your eyes open watching
people it is one of the things that make life interesting.  tom
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Tanning
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:16:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.113912.4313@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>In article <BRUCE.92Oct1171343@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk> bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:

>>Skin cancer has gone way up.  I don't know the stats, but in Australia
>>it's become a major cause of death.

I recall reading that Australia has the highest per-capita skin cancer
rate of any nation, due simply to the fact that it has a mostly white
population living in a tropical climate.

>All the major causes of illness of the last century can be
>cured now.  (Even the Plague is curable in most cases.)  This means all
>those people that "should have" died from other causes now survive long
>enough to die from cancer or heart disease, thereby increasing the incidence
>of those diseases.

This is also why "average life expectency" today is substantially
longer than it used to be.  It's not true, as you may have been led to
believe, that people used to die of old age at forty; it's just that a
greater percentage of people today are lucky enough to die of old age.

>Sorry. This turned into a discussion of health, not nudism.

Well, the health aspects of sun-bathing are certainly relevant to rec.nude.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: nudity in the dorms
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:56:16 GMT

miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>ended when they find me studying, reading, or  watching t.v. nude. The males

>me in peace. Are there any other people out there facing similar problems?

Probably anyone who tries to do what you do. I'm at work - I took off my
pants and I don't wear underwear - so after a while I put on my Speedo,
because I just didn't want any hassles with the next person who might
walk into my office.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: elliot@ansoft.com (mike elliot/.nam)
Subject: Re: Why we like breasts
Keywords: anatomical topography
Organization: Ansoft Corp. Pittsburgh
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.010655.20317@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
>>
>>How's this for a theory:  Men are not attracted to all curves, but
>>to "convex" curves.  Hence our attraction for breast, legs, buttocks,
>>and even shoulders.  The "ideal woman" has a small waist, but it is not
[statement deleted for brevity]
>I don't think convexity/concavity is the answer. I think it's "splines",
>smoothness, volumetric/kinesthetic information. Coupled with nice thoughts
>about the person whose geometry it is.
[statement deleted for brevity]

So much for the geometric theories and onto the Darwinian theories:

If we are truely interested in passing on our genes and continuing
the species, surely women with larger breasts (and hips) are the
obvious choice.  After all they are better able to nurse our offspring. :-)

-mje
-- 
Mike Elliot                  Did Adam and Eve have navels?? -Milo
elliot@ansoft.com

Disclaimer: My boss doesn't listen to what I say, why should you?
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: No name change, please; also another proposal for anonymous posting
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:46:23 GMT

midkiff@public.BTR.COM (Neil E. Midkiff  midkiff@btr.com) writes:
>Still, it might be a good idea to have a cadre of
>people who will volunteer to send along questions or comments by those who
>(for whatever reason) prefer to remain anonymous.  

Fine, just as long as somebody does NOT put up an automated
mail reflector. I'd rather have a human in the loop (as
would many Airbus pilots :)

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Nudist/Naturist population
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:45:02 GMT

I don't know if anyone keeps such statistics but are the number of
nudist/naturists growing or shrinking?  

I ask this because I observe that bathing suit fashions are getting
more conservative.  (Boxers instead of speedos and one-piece instead
of bikinies)

This would lead me to believe that in this conservative era, nudism/
naturism is not growing in popularity.

Comments????

-- 
========================================================
Stephane Deschenes     stephane@xrtll.uucp
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
========================================================
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: NY TV Show airs nudity - E.T. Mentions Warning
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:27:59 GMT

In article <1afftfINN5u1@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:
>
>I didn't see the show with Hemingway; but from what I hear here, it seems
>that was done much more for the purpose of titillation.

I did see the show and I don't agree.  She struggled with the
decision to pose and I thought the scene itself was done much
better than the scene in Doogie Howser since they didn't hide
everything.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mantell@iota.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Abraham S. Mantell)
Subject: Test
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:24:28 GMT

This is just a test (please..no flames)...Abe
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Open Sexuality
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct6.083629.18604@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>I claim that in fact nudity == sex, in that you cannot look at a naked body
>and not know that it is a sexual body. 

	And we claim that nudity != sex because when you look at naked bodies
you realize that simple nudity is not a sexual display.  There's nothing
particularly sexual about a naked body.  



Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:06:05 GMT

aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
>Suppose I (I am a 22 year old male) am at a CO beach, and see an
>unacompanied woman (clothed or not, as the case may be) of about my
>age.  Is it OK to approach her and attempt to converse? 

If she dumps you, it won't much matter what your state
of dress is. If you hit it off, same applies.

Stop worrying and get out there while it's still remotely warm!

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: NAC Update
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:01:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <7950027@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, by ales@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ales Fiala):
> 
> .....  I thought that there were no laws against
> nudity on National Forest lands anywhere.

A couple of years ago, I looked into the U.S. Code and found that the
rules of the National Park Service and the National Forest Service are
different.  Or maybe it was the National Park Service and the National
Fish and Wildlife Service.  Anyway, I think the Park Service is the
most liberal, but I don't recall the details.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: "Nudity" according to Hollywierd producers (was: something else)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:12:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Oct2.215927.19736@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>   So what does "nude" mean in this context?    Does TV have a different
>>   definition of "nude" than the entire rest of the English speaking
>>   universe?   
>
>Yes they do.
>
>Have you read your TV guide lately? The listings synopsize
>the movie, then list the various salient features, including
>(but not limited to): adult situations, violence, nudity,....

  But when TV Guide says "nudity" in reference to a cable movie,
  for instance, they are referring very specifically to exposure
  of the buttocks, pubic region, or women's nipples.   There's really
  no equivocation about this.  But broadcast TV is a different
  matter, as I illustrated above.  Here they seem to use the term 
  "nude" in some new way that I don't understand.  In what way was
  the Hemingway character "nude" that countless other people have
  not been "nude" on broadcast TV for 25 years or so?
                                                    

---peter





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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Approaching a woman at a CO beach?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:04:22 GMT

In article <1a5nr6INN1u1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> philb@cats.ucsc.edu (Philip Brown) writes:
>
>elliot@ansoft.com (mike elliot/.nam) writes:
>
>>I always find it strange when people expect different behavior in a
>>CO setting than they would in a textile one. Take photographs for
>>example. On a textile beach, most people wouldn't think twice if they
>>saw someone with a camera taking pictures. But, put that some person
>>on a CO beach and alot of people think it is inappropriate. Surely,
>>if nudity is nothing to be ashamed of and isn't to be equated with
>>sex, then we should behave the same whether clothed or not.
>
>But it isn't alright to take picture of someone clothed< either. you need
>their permission. except that people generaly don't get upset about it,
>cause the photographer is not likely to sell pictures of them to someone
>else for money. If you are naked,however, the probability of a financial

Wrong!  You do *not* need permission to take someone's photograph if that
person is in public view (to a person with normal vision, not a telescope).
The photographer has every legal right to take your picture regardless of
how you are dressed or whether you say it is okay.  The law only restricts
the possible*use* of the picture.  Photos used for commercial purposes
require your consent.  And photos cannot be used to imply anything that
is untrue unless you give your consent.  Furthermore, "crowd" shots
generally do not require any authorization for any use.

If you are on private property (out of view of the public) then the rules
can be defined by the owner of hte property.

Now, regardless of whether the people are clothed or not, the photographer
*should* be polite enough to ask permission before snapping the pictures.
On a CO beach people *are* more sensitive and are more likely to not
care whether the photographer was within his (or her) rights.  Be
sensible.

I think the reason people are more likely to get upset is *not* that "the
photographer is [more] likely to sell [the] pictures...for money" but is
rather *who* the photographer might sell the pictures to (and how the
photos will be thought of by the viewer).

Bill.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Flames - NOT NUDE -
Summary: sorry I have to do this
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:25:42 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

>In article <> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton) writes:
>>
                   Volcano looking flames deleted.  
>>
>>		     [do these look like flames?]

In article <> witters@eskimo.celestial.com (John Witters) writes:
>Oh boy!  A Rorshach test!  Well to me, they look like mountains or Madonna's
>breasts during an earthquake.  Sorry, I guess I've been doing too much
>mountain climbing and watching too much MTV.  :-)

You people are really hurting my feelings picking on my artwork. 8-(
(most comments were emailed)

But I have heard your complaints and hope my response is appropriate.
I have redrawn my flames.  Here they are, and I am just waiting for
someone to ignite them again! 8-)


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			    - F L A M E S -

-- 
"These are difficult times for our country, and in searching for the causes
of our social ills, we could chose to blame the media, or the congress, or
an administration that's been in power for 12 years, or we could blame me."
							Murphy Brown
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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: APOLOGY!!! Re: Sexuality and Social Attitudes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:13:50 GMT

I have sinned and beg forgiveness.

I have been pushing the edge, trying in rec.nude to explore the real
associations between social nudity and sexual behavior.  I don't think
I owe an apology for that (but I'm open to correction if I'm wrong).

In the course of that exploration, I responded to a few articles that
were cross-posted to alt.sex with followups that were also
cross-posted to alt.sex.  That was a mistake, and I apologize for it.
I will not do that again.

But then I made a much more serious mistake.  In the course of an
email dialogue with ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic), I felt that we
had reached an agreement that there were areas of discussion about the
association between social nudity and sexual behavior that could
legitimately be explored in rec.nude, and I encouraged him to post
discussion of those topics in rec.nude as long as he did not
cross-post to alt.sex.

I was immediately dismayed to see a flood of articles, at first on the
edge, and then veering quite off-topic, from my correspondent.  What
have I done?  I said to myself.  Am I responsible for this?

I am at least in part responsible.  I am not a good judge of people,
and I badly misjudged this time.  I am very sorry, and I apologize.

Last but not least, I owe a personaly apology to Tom Middleton for the
shameless invective that I indirectly unleashed on him.  I have the
greatest respect for Tom.  He has posted all kinds of information
about social nudity here, and he can always be a calm voice in any
discussion.  Tom: above all people here, you don't deserve such
disrespect.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Doogie Howser M.D.
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:03:09 GMT

lebrun@ll.mit.edu (Steven F. LeBrun) writes:
>Last night, 30-Sept-1992, on the television show "Doogie Howser M.D.",
>Doogie persuades his date to go skinny dipping after she expresses a
>desire to go swimming but does not have a swimming suit.  
>I believe
>that Doogie's short monologue about nudity had a stronger impact on
>accepting nudity than the actual skinny dipping scene.

I don't. I thought it was too preachy. Ultimately, the best
advice is: "Don't say nothin, jes do it!"

It was refreshing though. (I mean the show, not the swim :)

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: a silly question
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:28:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <1aamgfINNe3q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (T. David Gossett) writes:
>
>I am sure this question has been asked before and perhaps I should
>experience a CO beach before I ask it...but (to the males) does
>the time ever happen when you get aroused, and how do you deal with
>it when it does?

We should have a betting pool with the stakes going to whoever can
most closely guess how many times this will be asked this semester.
I'm in for 50 times.

1) it almost never happens.  I don't know anyone it has ever happened
   to, or seen it.
2) if it *does* happen, lie on your stomach.

Isn't this in the FAQ?

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"
From: miller_dm@ab.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: nudity in the dorms
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:51:33 GMT
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College


    I think the world needs to learn to express themselves their own way and
accept others for who they are not judge them. I hate it when in the privacy
of my own dorm room someone just walks right in and acts as if the world has
ended when they find me studying, reading, or  watching t.v. nude. The males
act as if I am some kind of sick fag , and the females think I'm just another 
horney pervert. I think the way I express  myself in private is my business,
I have to follow their laws and rules outside of my room, so they can leave
me in peace. Are there any other people out there facing similar problems?
 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Why we like breasts
Keywords: anatomical topography
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:06:55 GMT

aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff) writes:
>
>How's this for a theory:  Men are not attracted to all curves, but
>to "convex" curves.  Hence our attraction for breast, legs, buttocks,
>and even shoulders.  The "ideal woman" has a small waist, but it is not
>the waist itself that attracts attention; rather, the small waist
>enhances the convexness of the buttocks and legs.  A smile is more
>attractive than a frown; perhaps this is because, when one is
>looking at the face, the center of attention is slightly above the
>mouth, so a smile is a convex shape and a frown is a concave shape.
>
>Tony

From chest down, inward at midriff, and back out at the hips, in a frontal
view, is conCAVE. The lumbar region is VERY sexy.

I don't think convexity/concavity is the answer. I think it's "splines",
smoothness, volumetric/kinesthetic information. Coupled with nice thoughts
about the person whose geometry it is.

:)

>mouth, so a smile is a convex shape and a frown is a concave shape.

A smile is concave upwards, a frown is concave downwards. Vice-versa for
convex.

:) ecsd (:
From: paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch (Paul Burkimsher)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Art modeling
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:53:30 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

In article <01GPIGZKV2SY002LKI@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu>, FORTMAPL@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU (Paul Fortman) writes:
> 
> I am interested in doing some modeling too.  A friend, who knows of my 
> naturist lifestyle, suggested that I do some modeling and gave me the 
> name of who to contact.  Appearently models for art classes are hard 
> to get in this area (SW Ohio).  I definitely need the extra income.  
> What is the going and/or fair hourly rate for models?
SFr.20 per hour (it was in 1989 anyway). (1.30 SFr = 1 US$)

> To repeat the 
> question of a previous poster, what is it like to model for an art 
> class?  

As starting time arrived, the lady in charge said "OK, it's nearly
8 o'clock perhaps you could go and -er- get ready."
I was a bit tense for the first 5 minutes but then it was no problem.
Have a good selection of poses in your mind though beforehand. You
get through them quite fast. (Ask your wife or girlfriend to suggest
some.)

Paul
---------------

Paul Burkimsher
European Laboratory for Particle Physics,
CERN
CH-1211 Geneva 23
Switzerland

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