HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: G&L Military Ban -- Addresses/Phone Numbers
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:27:56 GMT


I've received lists of names and phone numbers to contact
about lifting the ban from all over, including motss.  So I
put them together to make a fairly comprehensive list...

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Bill Clinton
President of the United States
1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW          202/456-1414
Washington, DC 20500               202/456-2883 (fax)

Alternate fax number:              202/456-2461

Senator Barbara Boxer
112 Hart Senate Office Bldg.       202/224-3553
Washington D.C. 20510              415/403-0100 (SF office)

Senator Dianne Feinstein           202/224-3841
367 Dirksen Bldg                   202/224-0656 (fax)
Washington D.C. 20510              415/249-4777 (SF office)

For other states: the voice number for the Senate is
202/224-3121.  Ask for your senator.  If the line is busy
(it probably will be), they'll give you the direct line
number, so have a pen ready.  

Les Aspin
Defense Secretary
1000 Defense, The Pentagon
Washington, DC  20301-1000         703/695-5261

Gen. Colin L. Powell
Chairman
Joint Chiefs of Staff
The Pentagon                       703/697-9121
Washington, DC  20301-5000         703/697-8758 (fax)

The Pentagon's Public Affairs Bureau is tallying calls
pro and con the military ban:      703/697-5737

Senator Sam Nunn
Chairman                           202/224-3521
Senate Armed Services Committee    202/224-0072 (fax)

House Armed Services Committee
2120 RHOB
Washington, DC 20515               202/225-4151

Senate Armed Services Committee
SR-228
Washington, DC  20510              202/224-3871

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From: ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Maria Schriver _ FIRST PERSON: gay 90s
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:18:54 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

Among the many shortcomings of this show which I 
don't think I want to go into just yet, I think
the statistics that were quoted were much overblown
in several cases. Can anyone confirm these from
other sources:
	- percent of lesbian couples having
	   commitment ceremonies (she said 9 out of 10)
	- percent of children born to gay couples
	   (she said some (I think) unrealisticly high
             number)
Although I would like to believe these things, I question
their accuracy.


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Lisa J. Malachowsky ljm40@spa.amdahl.com
Amdahl Corp.
(408) 992-2930

THE OPINIONS I EXPRESS DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE
OPINIONS OF AMDAHL CORPORATION
From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: downtown Oakland
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:36:17 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

I just made a WONDERFUL discovery in downtown Oakland, so I thought I'd
share it, and a couple of my other downtown faves, in the interests of
bolstering the perennially around-the-corner rejuvenation of the area.
Motss relevance will be noted where it exists.  Yes, there is a there
there!  (Motss relevance -- Gertrude Stein)

	The Oakland Museum, 10th at Oak.  I always avoided this place,
	expecting a few dull artifacts badly arranged.  Boy, was I
	wrong!  The California ecology section is intelligently laid
	out, taking you on a trip zone-by-zone from coast to desert.  Be
	sure to start with the big relief map of California.  You press
	a button and a short slide show is projected on the relief map,
	so that at different points you see political boundaries, water
	flow, biotic zones, etc.  Best part for me was California
	history.  Very well done -- there's not just a few Native
	American baskets, there's a set of a dozen or so of the same
	size and shape with information on which would have been
	considered good and bad examples by the makers and users, and
	why.  Not just gold rush artifacts, but a complete assayer's
	office.  And -- motss relevance -- the 20th century section 
	includes some gay stuff.  Be sure to check out the hypermedia
	terminals, three of them spread out through the historty
	section.  They'll call up information on any of the artifacts,
	and give you video snippets of oral history (one of them from a
	gay rights activist, Serria I think) and commentary by
	historians.  I didn't even get up to the art department.
	Good book store, too.

	Th Paramount Theater, Broadway near 20th -- An absolutely
	astonishing Art Deco movie palace.  Many, though not all,
	Friday evenings they show a classic film complete with a cartoon
	and an old newsreel.  Not to be missed!  Motss relevance:
	camp-a-rama.

	Holmes Books, 14th a few blocks east of Bway -- a huge, dusty
	used book store.  No real motss relevance.

I'd be delighted to hear other folks' recommendations in the area.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: weeks@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Greg Weeks)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:47:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Van Dammage on his gay following
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: ba.motss

Goody for Jean-Claude.  Now, if you're even remotely into that sort of thing,
rent Universal Soldier for the rear-view nude scene.  It make my head swim.

Nice to know that he knew what he was doing.
From: thyland@oracle.uucp (Tim Hyland)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Looking for a roommate (SF)
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:46:50 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

We are three gay men in various fields (psychiatry, hostpital
administration, software marketing) looking for a fourth person to
share a four bedroom apartment in San Francisco (Noe Valley/Diamond
Heights/Twin Peaks).  We've lived in the building for 6 months and our
current fourth is moving out to live with his lover.

Details:

Location:	25th St. & Grandview
Availability:	Feb 1
Rent:		$525 (plus utilities and security deposit)
View:		Beautiful
Terms:		Lease through June 93, will probably renew lease

Ammenities:	Four bedrooms split across two floors
		Building only 1.5 years old, 1 other unit in building
		Two living rooms, each with fire place
		Two bathrooms
		Shared yard and private deck
		Hardwood floors in common areas, carpet in bedrooms
		Dishwasher/disposal/microwave & lots of cabinet/counter space
		Shared garage space, plus easy street parking
		Convenient MUNI stop

Contact:	Tim Hyland
		Work: 415.506.2857
		Home: 415.206.1975
		thyland@oracle.com
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Out Now
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:09:52 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Yesterday I was surprised to get email from a new employee who'd seen
Oracle Lambda and my name listed in Out Now.

It's great that they did this (as evidenced by this person knowing who
to contact to join the group), but I'm curious where they got the
info.  I didn't think my name was out there that much...:)
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: murphy@well.sf.ca.us (Daniel A. Murphy)
Subject: Searching for Physician in SF
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:39:37 GMT


I'm looking for a good primary-care physician in San Francisco
who isn't homophobic.  I don't need someone who specializes in HIV,
since I am, happily, negative, but I need someone for those little
things that go wrong...

Gender isn't an issue; male or female would be fine.
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San Francisco, CA       GEnie:       D.MURPHY11
U.S.A.                  MCI Mail:    377-7947
From: perrotta@pyrxbooter.eng.pyramid.com (Paul Perrotta)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: NBC: Gay Nineties Show
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:08:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology

This morning on the Today show, NBC announced that there would be a
program tonight called "The Gay Nineties" at 10 pm on NBC. It's billed
as an "in-depth" look at the issues that concern and occupy the gay
and lesbian community.

The show is hosted by Maria Shriver. Katherine Couric (the Today show
cohost) interviewed Maria about the show. Maria termed the subject
"fascinating" and "interesting." She also explained that even though
it was not the show's intent to out anyone, at least one male couple
announces itself on air. Both men expect to lose their jobs as a
result of this program. The program also profiles what one woman goes
through before she comes out to her coworkers. Although she expects
the worst, the coworkers respond very positively.

In the interview, Maria appeared very comfortable with the subject
matter. Katie Couric has often seemed to me to be very sympathetic to
glbo* issues. Her interview with Ted Kennedy this morning covered the
topic of lifting the ban against gays and lesbians in the military and
both she and Ted seemed well versed in the subject. 

Now if only Katie and Maria wouldn't use the term "homosexual" to talk
about lesbian and gay issues...

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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: downtown Oakland
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:24:31 GMT

In article <28550@sybase.sybase.com> black@sybase.com (Chris Black) writes:
>I just made a WONDERFUL discovery in downtown Oakland, so I thought I'd
>share it, and a couple of my other downtown faves, in the interests of
>bolstering the perennially around-the-corner rejuvenation of the area.
>Motss relevance will be noted where it exists.  Yes, there is a there
>there!  (Motss relevance -- Gertrude Stein)
>
>I'd be delighted to hear other folks' recommendations in the area.
>
I actually like the whole downtown/Lake Merritt area. I stayed many
a night in Broadway Terrace allowing me to discover Holmes Bookstore and
the restorations going on around Jack London Square. There is a terrific
oyster bar on E. 14th. 

Lake Merritt, with its art deco apartment buildings and curvaceous 
boulvards, has a beautiful park with the Alameda county hall and
Oakland Museum at one end and the Grand Lake theatre at the other
end. I actually rented a paddle boat there once.



-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"I'm not gorgeous... I just have a sweet look." --Sylvia Sydney
From: ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Article in 1/20 SJ Merc News
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:21:03 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation  Sunnyvale, CA

There was a very short blurb in the 1/20 Merc about how
Lesbianism and Bisexual women seem to have sisters who are
the same as them (implying that these 'orientations' run 
in families). Does anyone know the details behind this???



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Lisa J. Malachowsky ljm40@spa.amdahl.com
Amdahl Corp.
(408) 992-2930

THE OPINIONS I EXPRESS DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE
OPINIONS OF AMDAHL CORPORATION
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: downtown Oakland
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:57:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.012431.25094@netcom.com> foucault@netcom.com (Howard 
Arthur Faye) writes:

>Lake Merritt, with its art deco apartment buildings and curvaceous 
>boulvards, has a beautiful park with the Alameda county hall and
>Oakland Museum at one end and the Grand Lake theatre at the other
>end. I actually rented a paddle boat there once.

And Merritt's Restaurant, which has the best fried chicken I've found in
NorCal so far.  I'd be interested in hearing about other possibilities,
though.

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From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: NBC: Gay Nineties Show
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:18:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <185137@pyramid.pyramid.com>, by perrotta@pyrxbooter.eng.pyramid.com (Paul Perrotta):

This was a well done special; I hope that they replay it.

> In the interview, Maria appeared very comfortable with the subject
 
Yes, this is true.  I was really surprised; she came off as much
more knowledgeable than I have ever seen her on any subject in
the past.

> Now if only Katie and Maria wouldn't use the term "homosexual" to talk
> about lesbian and gay issues...
 
Funny that you mention this, because it was actually a subject
of brief discussion during the show.  Many of us staights tend
to use blanket terms such as "homosexuals" and "gays" to cover
both gays and lesbians with no negative intentions whatsoever.
 
To those who did not see the show, I would recommend trying to
see a repeat.  It was fairly gay (uh oh, I didn't say lesbian)
positive, and it did a commendable job showing how well the
community in San Francisco has organized itself politically.  

-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: ds@netcom.com (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: New gay/lesbian paper for South Bay: OutNOW!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:06:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan17.022420.18017@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>
>Could someone please post info on how to get the paper?  Thanks.

I picked up mine at the bookstore in Palo Alto on Hamilton street, between
Emerson and Ramona streets, across from the bicycle store.  It is between
the cafe of beautiful people and the bagel store with the digustingly
filthy fan and the cute counter clerk.

					-- David Schachter

P.S. The preceding statement contains a mixture of facts and opinions; you
choose.  (This is a Manhattan disclaimer.)
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: travel certificate (oops)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:22:58 GMT

I found, this morning, a travel certificate from Southwest which expires on
January 31.  It's for $50.  If anyone wants it (free), let me know.  This
isn't much notice - travel must be completed by January 31, 1993, next
Monday.  Not the ticket purchase, not the first leg, but the whole thing,
so this would be for flying to LA for the weekend or something.  

Happily, it didn't cost me anything - it came as part of a promotion they
were having.  I haven't made it down to LA for a long time.  I might go
down in April, but by then it will be too late to use the certificate.

If you're interested, leave a message on my answering machine at 415/647-2438.  If you live in San Francisco, Sunnyvale, or points in-between I can drop it
off. 

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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rick@oas.stanford.edu (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: NBC: Gay Nineties Show
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:49:08 GMT

I sort of liked the show.
It showed how ordinary couples live.
Too much of the media focuses on the exotic side of GL life-
disease, the parades, the bars. (The show did slip some of
this in briefly.)
From: MA.DRD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dennis R. Dunham)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Rainbow Flag pin
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:18:51 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Leather Master in San Jose on Park Ave. carries all kinds of rainbow
paraphanalia.

Address:

969 Park Ave.
San Jose
Phone: 408/ 293-7660
From: tomtull@bourbon.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Tull)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Discretionary Travel to Colorado
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:30:30 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bourbon

POSTED FOR A FRIEND....REPLY DIRECTLY TO HIM - ***NOT*** TO ME...THANKS!



Message forwarded:


I am recommending to our personnel group (and executive board) a "ban" on
discretionary travel to Colorado - and I am trying to find out what other
Silicon Valley companies have already done.  

I would appreciate ALL information, copies of policies, statements, etc...


Thanks,


Bill Klein       (COBOL Product Manager)        
Micro Focus Inc, Palo Alto, CA 
wmk@mfltd.co.uk
or
Palo Alto Work Phone: (415) 496-7353
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Sun Microsystems Inc.	UUCP: {most US backbones}!sun!bourbon!tomtull
Work: 415-336-0412   Home: 415-334-3233 or 289 Gambier St., SF  94134
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: travel certificate (oops)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:04:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.002258.4463@netcom.com> 
jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

> I haven't made it down to LA for a long time.  I might go
> down in April, but by then it will be too late to use the certificate.

April, huh?  You should know by now, Jack, that I'm
not going to hold my breath.

Arne
From: ebrown@corpurch.Corp.Sun.COM (Eric Brown)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Sweater Queens
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: ebrown@corpurch.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: corpurch.corp.sun.com

What is a sweater queen?  I have absolutely no idea.

Eric
From: mcb@foucault.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: downtown Oakland
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:50:35 GMT
Organization: Postmodern Consulting, San Francisco, California USA

In the referenced article, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Chinatown may not count as downtown, but Oakland has a fantabulous
> Burmese restaurant which should not be missed.  I wish I could
> remember its name.

Could this be Nan Yang?  I think there are two, one Chinatown/downtown
and one in Rockridge near the BART station.   I have eaten at the 
Rockridge one with a largish group -- it was quite good.

--
Michael C. Berch  
mcb@postmodern.com / mcb@presto.ig.com / mcb@net.bio.net
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: sweiss@gain.com (Scott D. Weiss)
Subject: Homo Lunch @ Hobees Palo Alto 2 Feb 93
Reply-To: sweiss@gain.com (Scott D. Weiss)
Organization: Gain Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:17:06 GMT


Reminder for Homo Lunch:

What:  Homo Lunch
Why:  Why not?
When:  2 Feb '93, 12:00 noon
Where:  Hobees Palo Alto, Embarcadero Road & El Camino Real
        (415) 327-4111

Ask for the Motss party.

	Scott (sweiss@gain.com)

PS  If you haven't rsvp'd already, please do so.  We have 12 so far...
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: travel certificate (oops)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:48:06 GMT

In article <1k2rakINNsl3@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.002258.4463@netcom.com> 
>jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>> I haven't made it down to LA for a long time.  I might go
>> down in April, but by then it will be too late to use the certificate.
>
>April, huh?  You should know by now, Jack, that I'm
>not going to hold my breath.

If *I'm* going down, *I'll be the one who has to worry about breath
control. 

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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: downtown Oakland
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:46:49 GMT

Chinatown may not count as downtown, but Oakland has a fantabulous
Burmese restaurant which should not be missed.  I wish I could
remember its name.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Schriver _ FIRST PERSON: gay 90s
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

In article <f94Y02Jd33Fv01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, ljm40@spa.amdahl.com (Lisa Malachowsky) writes:
>Among the many shortcomings of this show which I 
>don't think I want to go into just yet, I think
>the statistics that were quoted were much overblown
>in several cases. Can anyone confirm these from
>other sources:
>	- percent of lesbian couples having
>	   commitment ceremonies (she said 9 out of 10)
>             number)
Yes that definitely sounded overblown to me when I heard it! There was also
a statistic that I though was majorly "underblown": she said that the 
percentage of gays in the population was 3-10%.  I thought it was around 
10-12%.  Three percent?!  Get real!

I haven't finished watching my video tape so far, so I can't comment too 
much yet.  So far, I haven't liked Maria too much in terms of the way
she seemed so incredulous about the whole "gay" thing.  I put "gay" in quotes
because that is the way she does it.  At one point she was interviewing a
gay man and asked him how long he has known he was (makes quotes with her
hands) "gay."  Very weird IMO.  

On the positive side I have liked the gay and lesbian couples and individuals
they have chosen to interview (I'm only about 20 minutes into it so far).  They
all appeared articulate and seemed to be living positive, healthy, "normal"
lives.

-Robin
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Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist                   ____
California State University, Chico  Computing Services         \  /
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu                                   \/
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: SF March This Week on G/L Military Ban?
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:46:42 GMT


I'm hearing rumors that a march and rally are being
planned for this week in San Francisco to *celebrate*
the lifting of the G/L military ban -- in the
expectation that Clinton will actually sign an
Executive Order some day this week, possibly Thursday.
What do the organizers know that I don't know?  Has
anyone else heard anything about this?
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