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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ileri seviyede toplum yapisi...  
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:28:41 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> Toplumsal yapi ve DINi degerler tartismasina kucuk bir katilim...  
  (toplumsal-yapi, dini-deger)  
  
> EGER din SALT SOSYAL BIR OLAYSA, VE  
> TOPLUMLARIN IHTIYACLARINDAN ORTAYA CIKMISSA, ISTE TOPLUM ISTE MANTIK,  
> INSANLARI TATMIN EDECEK BIR TOPLUM YAPISI OLUSTURACAK BIR din  
> YAPSINLAR.   
  (sosyal-olay, toplum-ihtiyaci, mantik, insani-tatmin-etmek,  
   toplum-yapisi-olusturmak, din-yapmak)  
  
> Fatih  
  
Himmmm.. dusunuyorum da, acaba Fatih Sultan Mehmet boyle bir din  
ugrunami Istanbul'u fethetti ?  
  
Hey Fatih !  
"din"'le 'din''i birbirine karistirma !  
hele, hele, hele "din" 'din' din'i hic birbirirne karistirma !  
karistirma ki Net cadi kazanina donmesin...zaten olmus olacagi  
kadar :-)  
  
dan din-i din dan  
dan dan  
kacilin yoldan  
vatman geliyor...  
  
saygilarimla mi desem yoksa s*kt*r* mi ceksem ?  
yardim et lan Suleyman Kaya !
From: ega029@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Lami Kaya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Cirtlak voices...
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:14:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.


I have seen some posting suggesting muslims to stop posting articles 
regarding islam. I wonder where they were, when Kaya was pumping 
KBytes of acussations regarding islam and the life of the prophet (PBUH)?

We are familiar with this sort of cirtlak voices... Whenever a few muslims
come to this network they start to shout, to stop, to intimidate... 
Wake up!, that old days over... You have to learn to stay and live 
with muslims. This network is open to everyone, turkish, kurdish, arabic, 
pakistani, american, etc.

I would like to more and more international personalities on this network.
Lutfi, Syed Haydar and the others all welcome...

Regards,

Lami
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From: hayri@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Aydin Hayri)
Subject: Futbolda Reform??
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:11:44 GMT

Futbolu bu kadar seviyoruz, kalabalik bir ulkeyiz ve yeterince genc
yetenek olmali.  Ustelik futbolcularda cok para kazandigina gore genc
yetenekleri cezbetmek zor olmamali.

Ancak bu zaman kadar futbola, ve diger tum sporlara, devlet eliyle veya
araciligiyla yapilabilecek mudahaleler konusuldu.  Ben ise sunu
dusunuyorum:

Orta buyuklukte bir sehrin futbol takiminin idaresini ele alsam, esrafin
ve sade vatandasin mali destegi bir takim pazarlama numaralari ile uygun
bir butce olustursam, sonra memleketin dort bir yaninda liselerden genc
yetenekleri toplasam, ve benzeri dogru seyleri yapsam gercekten iyi bir
takim yaratabilir miyim? Boyle bir seye kalksam ne gibi engeller onume
cikabilir? 

Fikirlerinizi ve onerilerinizi bekliyorum.

Aydin H.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uga.edu (cosmic waves)
Subject: Re: THE FANS OF MUHAMMAD AND THEIR WISH
Summary: Very Funny
Keywords: keh keh 
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:04:16 GMT




In article <9212170858.AA23537@gway.emory.edu>, mario@meng.emory.edu writes...
> 
>With an intellectual level fixated between Primary School and High School,
>the members of the Mr.Muhhamad Fan Club wish to have, in Turkiye,an islamic 
>regime similar to the one in Iran.This is only a stupid and sick wishing 
>which can and will never happen.Their frame of mind is reflected in the story 
>below:
> 
>A Kid was  walking to the bathroom, when he saw through the slightly open door,
>his mother was in there.  She was buck naked and looking into the mirror while
>rubbing her breasts and moaning "I want a man. I NEED a man!".  The next day,
>the same thing happens: the kid is about to enter the bathroom and sees his
>mother rubbing her naked body in front of the mirror "I want a man. I NEED a
>man"  But the next day, when the kid is on the way to the bathroom, his passes
>his mother's bedroom, where some guy is humping her while she screams "I got a
>man, OH  GOD, I got a man!!".  The kid immediately runs to the bathroom,
>stripping off his clothes on the way, then stands in front of the mirror
>rubbing his body saying "I want a bicycle.  I NEED a bicycle!"....
> 
>Keep wishing..
> 
>Maestro Can

[..still continues..]

keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh keh 
eh keh keh keh keh keh keh
keh keh keh keh
keh...

cosmic










Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.mideast
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 'Greek Cypriot Terrorism Is Relentless,' Writes...
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:57:39 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Dec17.025135.22187@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

> Now. As the Turks used the British designs to take advantage in Cyprus,
> the same way the Greeks will use the British (US) interests to subvert
> the Turks.(There is NO other way).

If that does happen, look out the window and see if there is another
"dandy" in "palik-land".


 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. 
 Date : 1 January, 1964. 

 IL GIARNO (Italy)
 
 THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM.

 Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we
 are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people
 abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This 
 time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to 
 cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tanju@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (tanju.cataltepe)
Subject: Re: Meclis'te cigkofte-lahmacun partisi
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:23:44 GMT


Meclis'teki cigkofte ve lahmacun partisinin dusundurdukleri:

- Eger milletvekilleri cigkofte ve lahmacun degil de baska bir
  cesit yemek yemis olsalardi ansiklopedici basin bu kadar yer
  verir miydi? Cunku gecilen haber bu iki cesit yemegin ozelliklerine
  bilhassa yer ayirmis.

- Bu haberin arasina resimler hakkinda yorumlarini serpistiren Osman'in
  biyiklar ile bir alip veremedigi var gibi :-{) Bu bana gecen sene
  Turkiyeli bir sanayicinin bir sempozyumda cevre kirliligini sokaklardaki
  biyikli adamlar olarak tanimlamasini hatirlatti.

  Yine biyik ile alakali: Milletvekillerinin kofte yoguranlara ve 
  hizmetlilelere (yani "millete") benzemeleri neden hayret verici
  olmus? Yoksa milletvekillerinin Ankara'dan tayin edildigi gunlere
  mi ozlem var?

-Tanju
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: TEBRIKLER KAYA
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:28:24 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


Guzel yaziniz icin te$ekkurler,

$imdi bir iki $ey de Kaya ya tekrar yazalim. Hakki abinin deyimiyle iyi
olacak hastanin doktor ayagina gelirmi$. Tabi hastaya da du$en gorevler
var, bir kere hasta oldugunu bilmesi lazim.

$imdi kainatin olu$umu ile ilgili 4 teoriyi ana ba$liklariyla yazalim ve
kar$ilikli tarti$ma ortami olsun deniyor buyrun bakalim sadece Kaya
degil diger arkada$lara da sesleniyorum, bunlari tarti$alim. Rule-based
system for Kaya's Din baslikli yazimda gorulecektir ki (okundugunda)
Kaya asil problemini bilmiyor. Olaylari oradan aliyor buradan kirpiyor,
$upheler icinde bocaliyor zaman zaman kendisi bir$eyler katiyor. 

$imdi kainatin olu$umu ile ilgili 4 alternatif var dedik, bunlar

1> Kainat ezeli degildir ve bir yaratici (Allah) tarafindan
yaratilmi$tir.

2> Kainat ezelidir, yani $u anda oldugu gibi aynen gecmi$te de mevcuttu.

3> Kainati olu$turan madde (atom ve elementleriyle) bilincli ve $uurlu
olarak bir araya gelmi$ her$eyi yerli yerine oturtmu$ ve bu halini almi$

4> Madde ve varlik hicbir $uur olmadan, tamamen tesadufi olarak, kendiliginden
olu$mu$tur (materyalist zihniyet).

Haydi bakalim buyrun tarti$maya, olayin ba$langici burasi burayi
cozumlemeden peygamber kavramina insan nasil inanir? Allah'in varligina
inanmayan insan Kur'an olsun, hakiki incil olsun birisi oturup yazdi
der. Kendi kendine carpiklik aramaya cali$ir, cunku ona inansa direkt
olarak Allah'in varligina inanmasi gerekir. $imdi sayin Kaya bey ler 
contribution larinizi bekliyorum. Siz bu maddeden hangisine
bagliyorsunuz varligi? Yazin da tarti$alim, eger Allah ve din
kavramlarina inanirsaniz gerisi otomatik olarak gelecek. Siz dini toplum
ahlakini yukseltmek icin topluma yararli bir kurum olarak goruyorsunuz,
Osman bey dinin toplum tarafindan uretildigini (Marks in gorusudur)
yaziyor. Evet yukaridaki 4 maddeden hangi teoriyi savunuyorsaniz
delillerinizi getiriniz. Eger gercekten hakikati ariyorsaniz buyrun
ortaya. Eger 4 maddeye ba$ka ilaveniz varsa onu da getirin tarti$alim. 

Beytullah
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 14:14:55 TUR
From: <E69386@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: soc.culture.turkish
Distribution: usa

Sevgili Michael'in goruslerine tam` tam`na kat`l`yorum..Buras` arena m` yoksa f
ikirlerin tart`s`ld`g` soc.culture .turkish'mi?????
Turkiye'den ald`g`m 3gunluk netnews ban yetti de artt` bile .Gurbetci vatandasl
ar`m`z`n bir Turk.not. musluman ayr`m`na vard`g`n` san`yordum.
                                                        hakan akya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: deniz@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Turkey Armenia etc. was: Re: Marking the 78 anniversary of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims.
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:08:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <143723@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> booloo@framsparc.ocf.llnl.gov (Mark Boolootian) writes:
>In article <9212121133@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>
>Yes, I'm an ignorant fool unlike the rest of you.  I simply fail to understand
>why it is Armenians and Turks don't get along.
>
>mb


Serdar Argic is an interesting character who enjoys posting megabytes of
stuff that by now no one reads.  

I do think it is possible for Turks and Armenians to get along.  

BTW, does anyone know what the reaction to Turkey's stopping selling
electricity to Armenia was in Turkey ?  I thought it was highly childish
of the Azerbaijanis to demand that Turkey stop doing so and highly
irresponsible that Turkey accepted the Azarbaijani request.  Since when
does Turkish foreign politics get dictated by Baku?

It is another thing to pursue closer relations with Azarbaijan, a
completely different thing to sell (not even give for God's sake)
electricity to Armenia.  There should be nothing to stop Turkey from
pursuing closer relations with both nations, which is needed anyway.
Just look at the map.

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: WOMEN and ISLAM
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:57:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway



|I am sure Islamic apologists will correct Kaya in this one, that

Yeeeeeeh! Who is Islamic apologist?

I tell you;
first, do not consider just one verse look at the others related to
that and seek what Rasulullah (pbuh) suggested if you are after the
truth, and

second, USE YOUR AKL (Intellect).  


|Selim Guncer

Beytullah
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: GREK TAKEOUT (Article on Macedonia in the "New Republic," Dec. 21)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:19:29 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Dec13.174244.12978@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>That's right. Bomb Athens now! Before they invade Turkey, Macedonia,
>Albania and whatever comes in their way.
>Why do I get the impression that 9 out 10 articles from Greek posters
>make me sick?

Leave the poor "paliks" alone. There's a whole lot of things they
don't understand about entirely - some large, some small. And I confess 
that I still regard "palik wieneramus" and "palik clowns" with a good 
deal of suspicion.

Recently, students in the university-level specialist schools 
voted to select the most dynamic, in their opinion, European 
companies. They voted French, German, Italian, British, 
Spanish ... no Greek. They did not remember themselves? Maybe. 
But obviously Greek students do not remember themselves. They 
live somewhere outside; even regarding soccer since they have 
not been able to comply with the general specifications of the 
international organizations. And why comply regarding soccer 
since they have not yet succeeded, even for themselves, in knowing 
where they are, in updating their statistics?

Furthermore, the evolution of democracy leads one to believe that
the cradle of democracy is really in England, rather than in Greece.
The Greek version of 'democracy' was purely an accident. It was a 
product of the love of fallacy and a passion for sophistry of the 
ancient Greeks. No mechanism or method to make it worth was set 
forth, save a loose oratory. On the other hand, the British adapted 
the concept, developed it, turned it into a reality from a mere 
fantasy, and made it work. Had democracy really been an inherent 
virtue of Greeks would it have dragged its feet for so long to come 
to Greece? Even today, democracy is just so much as a catchword among 
the tourism slogans of Greece - not much substance and a lot of aura.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Letter-Writing Action (Bosnia Herzegovina) {from Haluk}
Date: 13 Dec 1992 15:42:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Forwarded message:
>From cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk!TEX5HAD Sun Dec 13 11:49:11 1992
Via: uk.ac.leeds.ucs.cms1; Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:27:30 +0000
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:24:56 GMT
From: Haluk DEMIRBAG <TEX5HAD@cms1.ucs.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Letter-Writing Action (Bosnia Herzegovina) {fwd}
To: TRH@JACK.SNS.COM, TOPRAK@MCIMAIL.COM
Message-Id: <13 Dec 92 19:27:19 GMT #3264@UK.AC.LEEDS.CMS1>

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:44:49 +0100
>From: Oguz GULSEREN <GULSEREN@EARN.ITSSISSA>
Subject: ilginize


Asagidaki mesaj bir Italyan tarafindan benim calistigim
merkezde dagitildi. Lutfen en az onlar kadar bir ilgiyi
esirgemeyelim.

O. Gulseren

------------


From:   SISSA::MARINA       12-DEC-1992 12:39:14.57
To:     @USERLIST
CC:     MARINA
Subj:


    Amnesty International is organizing a letter-writing action to stop
    the perpetuation of war and atrocities in Bosnia Hercegovina.
    An example letter:

          Dear Sir or Madame:

             I urge you to support any action that will effectively
             stop ethnic cleansing, agression, rape and atrocities
             in Bosnia Hercegovina.


          Signed:...

    Your contribution at this crucial moment is of vital importance!
    Public opinion counts!
    The intent is to bring presuure on the delegates at the peace
    conference in Geneva to take responsible action.
    Send your letter to the address below before Dec. 15th 1992.
    Thank you.
    The address is:

       The Delegates of the Peace Conference
       on the Former Yugoslavia
       C/O Amnesty International
       Case Postale 254
       1211 Geneva 6 Eaux-Vives
       Switzerland
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From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Christmas bayrami
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:23:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <10292354.52907.5041@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:

> > Christmas bayraminiz mubarek olsun.  
> Kirismis bayraminiz...  
> Neyi tebrik ediyorsun oglum, deliye hergun bayram...:-)  

Dunun delisi bugunun normali.

Ramazan bayraminda herkes seker ve tatli ikramiye ediyormus. Nasreddin
demis; "Bu ne?" Demisler; "Hoca, bugun bayram."

"Hey, Allah" demis Nasreddin "Keske hergun bayram olsaydi."

Hergun bayram oldu artik. Hergun herkese seker. Git dukkana, al
istedigin kadar. Kafa kol odemeye luzum yok. Daha ilerideki
asirlarda ne bayramlar olacak, ne bayramlar. Hergun bayram.

Biraksana su word-fetishini artik. Usandik.

Mehabetler  :-)...
-- 

	mark	


   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
 ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: Hasan Tayyip <TAYYIP@ohstmvsa.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re : Vah vah
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:11:00 GMT


> muskudar@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli) writes;

> dikis izleri kayboldu sayilir. Kimse labodami oldugunuzu anlamayacak.
                                      ~~~~~Bu kelimenin ne anlama geldigini soylerseniz memnun olurum.

> Biz ise ameliyat labodami oldugunuzu bildigimiz icin "Noel Islam'a
> maksatli bir tepkidir" sozu gecen alintiniz icin " he, he gecti gecti"
> diyecegiz.
>    Simdi Hasan bey, bu iddianizi lutfen kanitlayin. Noel kim tarafindan
> ve ne sekilde Islam'a karsi nasil bir maksatli tepki oluyor? Tepkiyi
> kim ne ve ne icin yapiyor. Yoksa birgun yolda yururken kapisinin
> uzerinde " ISLAM'A MAKSATLI TEPKISI OLANLAR ICIN CHRISTMAS'I KUTLAYANLAR
> CEMIYETI" diye bir levhami gordunuz?
> Bekliyoruz...
>
>
Size cevap vermeden once bir sorum var. Hiristiyanmisiniz? Eger oyle ise
benim sizinle bir alip veremedigim yok ve diyecek bir sozum de olamaz.
Sayet Turkseniz veya musluman oldugunuzu iddia ediyorsaniz soyleyecek
cok seyim var. Sorunun nedeni ilk isminiz.
Noel veya chrismis gibi hiristiyanliga ait ozel gun veya bayramlarin
Turklerle, hele hele muslumanlarla hic bir ilgisi yoktur. Adi ve
soyadindan musluman oldugu zannedilen kimselerin chrismis kutlamasi,
kendi halkini ve oz kultur degerlerini inkar etmektir, bati hayranligidir
veya cehalettir. Bugun TR de sosyete denen ne idigu belirsiz bir toplum
tarafindan taklit edilmeye calisilan sahte bir sarlatanliktir.
Bu gibi gunleri kutlayan, hiristiyanlar gibi olmaya calisan kisilerin
musluman Turk milleti ile hic bir alakasi yoktur ve onun adina
laf konusamazlar, onlarin bu milletle bir alakasi yoktur.
Islama maksatli bir tepki sozu ise, islam dusmanlarinin  muslumanlarin
ozel gun ve gecelerine karsi ikame etmeye calistiklari seyler icin
soylenmistir. Chrismisi gayri muslimlerin kutlamasi normaldir ve bir
itirazimda yok, ama lutfen musluman mahallesinde salyangoz satmayalim.
Bu sahte davranislara batililar bile hayret ediyor, bizim hayretimiz
ve tepkimiz niye tenkit ediliyor. Milletimize ait nice kultur varligimiz
dururken veya unutulurken bir hiristiyan adeti ortaya cikariliyor ve
devlet eliyle (TRT gibi kuruluslar araciligiyla) bunlar tesvik ediliyor.
Yazik bu millete, bu topraklar ve dini icin canini veren sehitlere
bu zulum veya hakaret degil de nedir. 70 senedir tersine gidisin
sonucu budur. Cocuklarimiz bu gibi adetleri bizim zannetmekte
ve ozenmektedir. Bunlardan da kimlerin sorumlu oldugunu demeye
gerek yok, Nejat Heykelkiran bunlari tek tek acikliyor.
hasan tayyip

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Mehmet D Ertas)
Subject: HELP! (Re: ISLAM'DA MUHAMMED'IN KARILARININ YASLARI NASIL BUYUTULUR?)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:01:15 GMT

In article <589@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, vhast+@pitt.edu (Veli Hakkoymaz) writes:
|> Hazreti Peygamberin(ASM) Zeyneb'i teveccuhunu; eski zaman
|> munafiklari gibi, yeni zamanin ehl-i dalaleti dahi medar-i
|> tenkid buluyorlar, nefsani, sehvani telakki ediyorlar diye
|> soruyorsunuz.
|> 
|> Elcevap: Yuzbin defa HASA VE KELLA! O damen-i muallaya soyle
|> pest subehatin eli yetisemez. Evet... 15 yasindan 40 yasina 
|> kadar hararet-i gariziyyenin galeyani hengaminda ve hevesat-i
|> nefsaniyyenin iltihabi zamaninda, DOST VE DUSMANIN ITTIFAKIYLE
|> kemal-i iffet ve tamam-i ismet  ile Hatice-i Kubra(RA) gibi 
|> ihtiyarca bir tek kadin ile iktifa ve kanaat eden bir Zat'in
|> 40'dan sonra, yani hararet-i garizziye tevakkufu hengaminda
|> ve hevesat-i nefsaniyyenin sukuneti zamaninda kesret-i izdivac 
|> ve tezevvucati, BIZZARURE VE BILBEDAHE NEFSANI OLMADIGINI VE
|> BASKA EHEMMIYETLI HIKMETLERE MUSTENID OLDUGUNU, ZERRE KADAR
|> INSAFI OLANA ISBAT EDER BIR HUCCETTIR.
|> 

.. ve onlarca satir daha..


Lutfen bu yaziyi anlayanlar ingilizce cevirisini bana gecebilirler mi?
Iki yilda Turkceyi unutmusum anlasilan. 

Deniz Ertas



|> Veli,