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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Spaces at an angle...
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:07:21 GMT

In article <BuBKKn.7BF@wpi.WPI.EDU> beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
>
>so I guess the question that your original point of angled spaces in general 
>being smaller then straight ones is????
>Do the line painters make the --------- side 14-1.5% larger to compensate for the 
>cosine of the angle factor...

If they want to paint a single stripe between the opposing rows, they
had better!

The problem I have always had with that method, in which spaces are painted like this:

		    /      /      /      /      /
		   /      /      /      /      /
		  /      /      /      /      /
		 /      /      /      /      /
		/      /      /      /      /
		----------------------------
		\      \      \      \      \
		 \      \      \      \      \
		  \      \      \      \      \
		   \      \      \      \      \
		    \      \      \      \      \


is that the triangles at each end of the spaces cannot be used.  Space
would be used more efficiently if they were painted as follows (rotated
45 degrees for ASCII purposes),


			--------------------|
				    |       |
				    |       |
				    |       |
		--------------------|       |
			    |       |       |
			    |       |       |
			    |       |       |
	--------------------|       |
		    |       |       |
		    |       |       |
		    |       |       |
--------------------|       |
		    |       |
		    |       |
		    |
		    |
		    |

so that the hoods meet front-to-side, instead of corner-to-corner, but
painting that middle line would be a nightmare without surveyors'
instruments or a pretty big stencil!
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Fred Puhn (Was: front disc brake question)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:44:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>
> [portions of disc brakes vs. drum brakes deleted]
>
>rather than contribute to an extremely silly discussion, i'm simply
>going to provide some references:
>
>_The Brake Handbook_, Fred Puhn, HP Books
>_Prepare to Win_, Carroll Smith
>_Tune to Win_, Carroll Smith
>_Engineer to Win_, Carroll Smith
>
>these esteemed gentlemen don't particularly like drum brakes, and
>they have backgrounds that are probably orders of magnitudes more
>impressive than those of anyone posting to this network.

Who is Fred Puhn?  What is his background?  He also has a very good book
called _How to Make Your Car Handle_, also from HP Books.

alan

From: genet@hplsla.hp.com (Gene Taylor)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:12:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Turbocharging a '91 Honda CRX Si....
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>How could I turbocharge my '91 CRX Si.... I really love that car - but
>heck - I could use some turbo boost....
>
>How much will it cost me to get it installed ?  Do I lose my factory
>warranty if I do that before 36K miles ?  And how much hp would I
>gain for how much of a loss in fuel economy....
>
>Just toying with the idea....
>
>THanks in advance....

My advice is, if you want a turbo charged car, buy one that was designed
to be turbocharged.  I doubt you'll find a bolt-on kit because this
is the kind of thing that blows up engines and people sue the makers
for their own stupidity.  Most people don't understand this until it
actually happens to them, so I don't expect my advice will have much
affect on your ambitions.  And I don't really care if you believe me
or not.  I'm just trying to set your expectations.

-Gene
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Manifold Wrap to <turbo lag
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:39:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.164901.18303@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Man Of Steel) writes:
>Just thought I'd run this by y'all.  I was looking through a parts
>catalogue and saw a high-temperature wrap for the exhaust manifold
>of turbo-charged engines.

warning:  although this stuff seems to work for some exhaust systems,
in many cases, it greatly shortens the life of the headers and/or
manifolds.  don't try it unless you're prepared to replace the hardware
if the header wrap doesn't work.

i know a few racers who tried this stuff and weren't happy with it;
although a big bucks team might be willing to replace these parts every
couple of months.

cheers,
  richard
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
    -- bumper sticker seen on a CART safety truck
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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:12:40 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.150708.17048@pmafire.inel.gov>, russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
|> 
|> 1. What are the safety disadvantages of the motorized seat belts?
|> 
- Automatic mechanized devices are more prone to failure. 
- They often severely impede ingress/egress, and they are extremely annoying,
so people unlatch them, cut them, or otherwise deactivate them, rendering 
them useless.
- Because they are an automatic, one-size-fits-all design, they don't fit
anyone very precisely, so they don't protect you nearly as well as a good
manual belt.  
- Because so many motorized designs operate only on the shoulder belt, most
non-belt users will not fasten the lap belt, leaving them with little or
no protection.

|> 2. Is there any trend in the direction of eliminating them?
|> 
Unfortunately, no.

|> 3. Does the Federal government plan to require them?
|> 
Not as such. What is required, and what will continue to be required,
is some sort of "passive" restraint that requires no action on your part.

|> Why do they exist?
|> 
Mindless, paternalistic idiots are practicing the ancient and completely
futile art of protecting us from our own stupidity. They make the argument
of the enormous cost to society because people won't use their seat belts
voluntarily, but this is sophistry. If we were so concerned about costs to
society, we would outlaw cigarettes, alchohol, guns, sex, fatty foods, and
everything else with which people do damage to themselves. People should
be informed about dangers they may pose to themselves, and given the option 
of protecting themselves from these dangers, but that is where the
government's role should stop.
From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:28:48 GMT
Subject: Re: MPG (was: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:

>>	The Geo Metro XFI is still the winner in the highest EPA city and
>>	highway MPG figures. It is higher than the VX. Since Geo is sold
>>	by GM, in a sense, Detroit did "top that" and has for several
>>	years.
>
>It not a clear victory since GM has a wimpy tiny motor in the Metro
>while the Civic has a much higher horsepower engine. The difference
>in mileage is so slim, that I'd rather have the horesepower.

	Interesting. In a recent issue of Autoweek, they reviewed the VX
	and ragged all over it about how it had no power and how the
	engine "sputtered" at highway speeds, etc. Perhaps it doesn't
	have as much power as you might think.

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.autos:22036 rec.autos.tech:12620
From: eiland@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: GMC Sport Handling package
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:14:40 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

I am ordering a '93 GMC Sierra 1500 extended cab truck.  Does anyone know what
is included in the ZQ8 sport handling package.  Specifically what size wheels
and if the spring rates have been changed.


Thanks,

Troy Eiland
Xref: sparky rec.autos:21499 rec.autos.tech:12268 misc.consumers:16209 sci.environment:11118 talk.environment:3584
From: rodder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jon D. Rodder)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Keywords: BOOM
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:01:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep4.130758.12545@alw.nih.gov> pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.234619.4253@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald) writes:
>>I don't remember where I saw it, but this reminds me of an article on if
>>the automobile was a new invention today.  
>>Seller:  "I've invented a horseless carriage 
>>Marketer:  "Sounds fantastic.  What powers it?"
>>S: "It runs on an petroleum based liquid called gasoline."
>>M: "Petroleum based?  Just how flammable is this?"
>>S: "Well... extremely flammable."
>>M: "Let me get this straight.  You're trying to sell a product that runs
>>on an extremely flammable solution that is carried by sheet metal and rubber
>>hoses to an engine that burns it.  Meanwhile, the people sit on top as this
>>is going on?"
>>M: "I'm sorry ...
>Well, let me add my 2 cents:
>Moscow Public Transportation Authorities bought a number of natural gas
>(methane)-fueled buses 2 years ago. Both economy and pollution effects
>seemed tremendous.
>
>A year later thet gave up after an impressive fire (fortunately *not* a
>real explosion) 

The primary similarity between hydrogren and methane (natural gas) as
automotive fuel is that they the most common storage method is a
gaseous form at ~3000psi, and that similar equipment can be used
since they are both gaseous.  
Hydrogen has quite a few problems that methane does not, the first being
that it has a much much faster burn rate.  This is great for power
and emissions, but really creates a mess when uncontrolled external
combustion occurs.
The second problem is the hydrogen reacts with metal in the tanks and
fuel system, causing them to become brittle.
 
As far as methane vs gasoline goes, I feel much safer with 3000 psi
methane in my research NGV than I do with 6 psi gasoline in rubber
hose in my Camaro.  If the NGV has a fuel leak, the fuel dissapates.
If the Camaro has a fuel leak, it puddles up and/or coats surface.
My natural gas tanks can also withstand a much greater impact than
a gasoline tank could.  In the example of the methane fueled busses
you mentioned, take good note of the fact that the was a fire but no
explosion, and think of what would have happened if the fuel had been
gasoline... also, what started this fire you speak of?  Fuel leak
(improper installation!)?, electrical?, what?  In the event that there
is a fire around the tanks in a NGV, there are heat actuated pop-off
on the tank (look like little burners, actually) to prevent tank
explosion...  they make a nice fire, but no boom-boom.


Jon D. Rodder
rodder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd
79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl
89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/PIECE OF JUNK!

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Door Horro, also humorous error
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:22:44 GMT

tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:


>In article <ILH.92Sep9095500@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington) writes:
>>
>>That reminds me.  The parking lot at my old high school had their
>>lines repainted from perpendicular to angled.  The idiot painting them
>>did not realize that by angling the lines the spaces got narrower.
>>They were ridiculously narrow.  There's one person who did not get
>>much out of math/geometry class!

This reminds me of a similar humorous story.  My old high school used
students in detention for manual labor.  One week the school had had the
surface of the parking lot retopped and the students were handed the
paint and rollers and told to go paint the spaces on the lot.  They were
not told any dimensions so they had the bright idea that they would
simply draw a space around one of their cars and then measure that space
and use that for all of them.  Unfortunately they used a small car like
an escort or horizon or chevette for their "model car".  This led to
very small spaces but a whole lot more of them!  Students over the next
several days of detention, me included, had to paint the whole lot black
and then repaint the spaces according to specific dimensions given to
us.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pollak@griffin (Tom Pollak)
Subject: Whats it worth (57 Chevy)
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:40:36 GMT

	anyone out there have an idea of the value
	of this 57 chevy ? (Belair / 4 door / hard top
	auto / 50k / with front end damage -- all in 
	front of the radiator -- its drivable ya just
	can't turn very tightly. / the rest of the car
	is in good shape -- been garaged since --)
	
	                                thanks all
					tom

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cviles@NeoSoft.com (Chris Viles)
Subject: Re: Test Car(s)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.203830.8032@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>I'm currently testing a '93 MR2 Turbo (poor man's NSX)
>loaded with all the options, including the T-top.  Sticker
>(estimated) about $22K.  Next week I share my experiences.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
  Where have you seen a sticker on one this low?  I've been shopping for a
  while for a '93 MR2 Turbo, and with options the sticker is over $28K.   Of
  course, I'm not paying that much for it.

  Chris

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: lucyj@adt.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Lucy.Wei)
Subject: Factory to Dealers Incentive for Lexus ES300
Reply-To: lucyj@adt.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Lucy.Wei)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:23:07 GMT

We plan to buy a Lexus ES300 in the next three monthes.

Right now, we already know the invoice price.  We also decide on 
the color and options for this car.  The only thing we do not know
is the factory to dealers incentives.  We have talked to a couple sales 
representatives at the local Lexus dealership(San Diego, CA).  They 
told us that there is no factory to dealers incentive for Lexus because 
the car sales too well.  Is that true?  If not, how can we find this 
information?  

Thanks.

Lucy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: lucyj@adt.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Lucy.Wei)
Subject:  Test:         
Reply-To: lucyj@adt.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Lucy.Wei)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:12:07 GMT

This is a test.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too much false alarms
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:10:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.152108.19067@walter.bellcore.com>
ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso) writes:
>The radar was going off on the Ka band alert 9 out of 10 times
>I was passing a truck.  I found this annoying so I decided to call
>However, it should not be affected by CB radios which I thought was the
>cause of interference from trucks.  Do truck drivers use radar detectors ?

Definitely!  If yours is going off because of CB's, I'd suggest getting a
different detector (I've got an Escort).

Cris 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: car insurance, big surprise for me!!!!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:05:40 GMT

I recently told you all of the ease with which I made a comprehensive
claim and how my state famr agent assured me my premium would not go up
because of a claim.  Well, I get the car back from the painter tomorrow,
but yesterday i received an envelop from statefarm labeled, premium
notice, and it is not time for my notice to arrive so I was a little
worried to open it.  Big surprise for me!  The guy was honest, the
premium did NOT go up, in fact, the letter contained a check stateing
that they had over-estimated the costs of operation for the past year so
received a dividend check from them AND my premiuim has gone down
complete with a letter thanking me for being such a good customer and
for taking care of my vehicle in such a way as to help keep premiums
down for all the customers!!!!   Wow!!!! I was shocked to get all
this!!!!!!!

Any others out there receive such checks recently?

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: romansks@unvax.union.edu (Steve Romanski)
Subject: Re: Broken seat back ('86 Mustang LX) Ford in general
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:19:42 GMT

philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun) writes:

>In article <minor.715373979@coal8> minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor) writes:

>   Until recently, I would never buy a Ford. The majority of people I know
>   with Fords have them in the shop frequently.
>   But being in the market for a SUV, the explorer is definitely under
>   consideration. But is this the kind of service that I should expect from
>   Ford ? What are other Ford owners experiences ?

I have an Escort GT with 60000 miles on it. The front end in these models needs
no be replaced every 30,000 miles. I was told this was a feature by the 
dealership beacause they use lifetime sealed grease fittings that never need
to be greased.

I have had it in the shop many other times to try to get the car to idle at 
less than 1,600 RPM's once it is warmed up. They had the car for over a week
finally said it was fixed and I didnt even get 10 miles down the road
when it was doing it again. The have replaced the throttle control and oxygen
sensor and said they could keep replacing stuff till the problem goes away.
I gave up and they did refund my money for replacing these parts.

**  I'll take any suggestions on how to fix this that someone might have.


In general I would say service and workmenship sucks pretty bad.




___________________________________________




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From: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Subject: Re: Porshe 928
Reply-To: seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 11:45:18 GMT

In response to the article making a correction, sating that the 911 is very expensive to maintain...

Yes it is.  But less than a 928.  While it is understood that the 914 and 924's are both cheaper to maintain than the other porsche's, I thought it was also understood that we were probably talking about those porsche's that someone would like to have. One that is current e.g., 944, 944turbo, 968, 911, 928.

Nobody really wants a 914 do they?

flame away. I'm fire proof.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Ford Escort Break LX 1991
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:34:40 GMT

In article <tardif.715706882@montmorency> tardif@gel.ulaval.ca writes:
>I knew it was a Jap for some of the parts. But what broke with it was
>the parts in the motor, the anti-polution system and the A/C conditioner
>who, correct me if I am wrong, are all Ford original parts.

Sounds a lot like my Merkur.

What systems they designed in Cologne, Germany work great.
What systems they designed in Detroit, Michigan suck.

I already know I will never buy another Ford product ever again. It has little
to do so much with my specific car as the dealings with the company: ridiculous
parts markups (50%!), incompetent "service professionals" (one of them couldn't
I.D. plug #1 on my 4-cylinder car), sleazy service departments (another place
tried to charge me for work never done), and the general "we don't giveafuck"
air of the whole company.

	-Kenny
-- 
Kenneth R. Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Not one of the "PC" weenies.
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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Subject: Re: Winter tires VS All-season
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:55:03 GMT

	Well, I have the GT+4s on my GSX and usually cruise at about
75-80 on a snow covered highway.  I think the GT+4s are good but I've
never had any other tire on the car so I can't compare it to anything
else.  Winter tires are good.  I had a set of Continentals on my old
car.  They had lots of grip in the snow.  Only problem was that the
tires were bent(?) out of shape by the pot holes in NYC so they had to
be replaced after 20,000 miles.

						-wwein@skidmore.edu
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From: rutter@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: USA Dodge dealership
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:12:01 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

I am interested in the purchse of a new Dodge pickup, and was wondering if
any of the readers of this newsgroup could possibly supply me with the 
following information:

Full name of dealership in the USA:
Address of that dealership:
Phone number of that dealership:
Fax number of that dealership (if applicable):
A contact name of someone at that dealership:

Any information forwarded to myself would be greatly appreciated.

My email address is RUTTER@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
                 or RUTTER@dstos2.dsto.gov.au

                                                            THANKS....
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