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From: rothaus%phvax.dnet@smithkline.com (Miker -- Four Falls, x3607)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Chinook document
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:54:00 GMT
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
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>An annecdotal description of the match, including all the games and comments
>by Chinook, is available by anonymous ftp from menaik.cs.ualberta.ca.  The
>file is TR-19 and is under pub/TechReports.

Jonathan Schaeffer has written a fantastic account of Chinook's match
with Marion Tinsley.  I found the file at menaik.cs.ualberta.ca in
pub/TechReports/TR92-19/TR92-19.ps.

It is a postscript document, which I ftp'd in ascii mode and printed without
error on an HP laserjet with postscript capability.

Thanks Jonathan for making this publicly available.

- mike rothaus
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From: pope@gold.kpc.com (John Pope)
Subject: Re: Knight sac in Saemisch KID line: opinions sought
Organization: /nfs/gold/u/home/pope/.organization
	<1992Dec10.003949.28988@stsci.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:02:34 GMT


In the line:

   1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3 e5 7.Nge2 Nc6 8.d5
   Ne7 9.g4 Nxg4 10.fxg4 Bxg4 11.Qd2 Qd7 12.Rg1

The Petrosian-like 12.Ng1 looks pretty strong. If 12...f5 13.h3 Bh5
14.Be2 Be2 (14...f4 15.Bf2 f3 16.Bd3) 15.Nge2 fe 16.Ne4 Nf5 17.Bg5
and black is lost.

11...Qd7 looks suspect, but even with 11...f5 black doesn't seem to
have sufficient comp. The line Mchess gives is mighty unconvincing
though (11...f5 12.Rg1 Bf3 13.Qd3 f4 14.Bf2 Bh5 15.c5 dxc5 16.Bxc5
f3); probably white should just play 12.0-0-0 and if 12...Bf3, 13.Rg1
fe 14.Bg2 and eventually win back the p on e4.

In general, prophylaxis and temporary sacrifice of material do not
seem to be the strong points of many commercial computer chess
programs.  That is one reason I think that most computer analysis of
non-tactical positions is not worth very much.




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From: seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu (Steven E. Hoell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Corey Evans (was: E-level Chess to enjoy)
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:24:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

Did anyone catch last night's Tonight Show? One of the guests was Corey Evans,
who won the U.S. Kindergarten tournament or something.

He told Jay Leno that his father is an International Master (I assume this
is Larry D. Evans) once ranked in the world's top 20 (not!) and that his
mother is also a chessplayer (don't know who she is).

Anyway, he played a game against one of the studio hands. He opened with
an Evans gambit (surprize). The game didn't finish.

Another plug for chess, I guess.


Season's Beatings,

Steve Hoell		seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu
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Subject: Re: Womans Candidates
From: Ralph Frisch <RFFCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 18:01:43 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

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Andy Soltis in the New York Post of 12/12/92 in his regular Saturday
column reports the following:

     On the other side of the world, a double-round women's candidates
tournament was held in Shanghai - an appropriate setting, since it was
held to determine who challenges Xie Jun for her Women's World Champion-
ship title.
     Zsuzsa Polgar, the eldest of the talented Hungarian sisters, took
clear first, but must play a match with Nana Ioseliani of Georgia,
according to U.S. Chess Federation. Irina Levitina, of Teaneck, N.J. -
a former challenger herself, was the US representative and finished
seventh.
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:11:07 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
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In article <1gt113INNd0e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ck832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
(Stephen Leary) writes:
> 
> 
> Well gawsh, *somebody* had to pick up the slack when Sven left, and
> those 1700-rated wannabe netgods aren't easy to replace! ;-)
> 
> Steve

Don't forget that Sven sorta took over when Dennis Baker left last July. I 
sure miss his postings. They sure were provoking (as in thought-provoking, 
discussion-provoking, argument-provoking and ego-provoking!)


           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM'S AT CHESS CHOW/CHESS LIFE
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:03:23 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <11273@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, sdonalds@cs.strath.ac.uk (Scott W Donaldson) writes:
> 
> Maybe a different approach is needed in this discussion. For a start,
> I'll throw a few smileys into the fray..  
> 
> :-)         :-)               :-)             :-)
> 
> Can we relax a bit now ? OK.
> 
> 
> 
> Fischer's reputation, behaviour, and genuis combine to make this 
> much personality:
> 
> |-----------------------------------------------|
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Ginsburg, and for that matter the majority of GMs and IMs, individually
> have about this much personality:
> 
> |--|
> 
> 
> This is not an attack on Ginsburg, or any GMs - it is simply an illustration 
> of the incredible presence that the Fischer mythology has on the chess 
> consciousness. 
> 
> Fischer has become larger than life; he is the chess equivalent of what 
> Jim Morrison was to rock music. His outrageous behaviour offends, of course..
> but without his abrasiveness, Fischer would also just be a 
> 
> |--|        (or around this area).
> 
> So let's call Fischer a chess icon.
> 
> Don Wedding has vehememntly defended Fischer, not because he likes him (i'm 
> sure very few people could really *like* Fischer) but because he sees 
> 'little fish' like Ginsburg trying to bring this 'icon' down.
> 
> The problem is, that going by the personality meter above, very few people
> have the "personal clout" required to support an attack on Fischer's 
> ability. The icon of Fischer.
> 
> 
> Chess is very much an art form (the chess of the Fischer we love) but it is
> also a science. Under the scrutiny of a mediocre master, other resources
> can always be found for the losing player -- "Fischer played a *bad* move here,
> he should have done this instead". 
> 
> As long as Fischer plays a few really 'beautiful' - and of high chess quality -
> games (like his 1st versus Spassky) care should be taken when collecting 
> together isolated incidents of weak play, and saying "Fischer is nowhere
> near as good now, as he was".
> 
> 
> Scott
>   ~
> 

Amen.

DMC



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From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Subject: Re: E-mail etiquette
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:21:36 GMT

[Player intends Rxd8 but accidentally plays Re8]

The TD was correct, in that he had no say and it was up to the opponent, but Dunne  
should, being a sportsman (?), have let you play Rxd8.

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From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Subject: Re: Temporal Chess (was: 3-D chess)
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:45:06 GMT

Steven J. Edwards writes
] In article <1992Dec18.000509.29078@raven.alaska.edu>  
fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage]) writes:
] > Has anyone experimented or invented a chess game where the pieces have
] > the ability to move through time in any way?
] 
] Yes.
] 
] I developed a time travel version of 8 x 8 chess some years ago.  I
] call it "Temporal Chess" and its structure is modeled on the system
] used by Isaac Asimov in his 1955 science fiction novel _The End of
] Eternity_.  In Temporal Chess, as in the novel, all of the playing
] fields ("Centuries" in the book) thoughout Time may be accessed
] "simultaneously" by players ("Eternals" in the book) who exist outside
] of Time.  A Change induced in an early playing field may affect all
] succeeding playing fields.  Pieces removed from Time in one field may
] be reintroduced in another.
] 
] A computer is needed for playing the game because of the large amount
] of bookkeeping required.


Is there any way for you to post or mail me the rules?  I am working on such a  
game, which uses three boards either side-by-side or stacked.

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From: jensen@baloo.ee.byu.edu (Curtis Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Gradmaster Chess

	The thing that you are missing on page 16 is: "It generally
takes 20 games to get a reasonably accurate rating and you should have
a winning percentage between 15% and 85%.  Also, you should obey the
time control you have selected."

Hope it helps...
Curtis
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer Boom II
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:17:40 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <DUBACH1.92Dec18022003@husc10.harvard.edu>, dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.172653.15466@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> pauln@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (paul.h.nelson) writes:
> 
>    I don't know about UCSF membership, but the traffic in this newsgroup
>    has increase significantly.  I'd say at least double, wouldn't you?
> 
>    Paul Nelson
>    Bell Labs
>    Naperville, IL
> 
> Well, perhaps, but you might wish to examine the coincidence that DMC
> began posting recently.  Might be a correlation in there somewhere.
> 
> Joev

Hey Joev, thansk for the comliment. Nice to see my contribution is appreciated.
But, I think more credit should go to Mr. Wedding, who first posted something
contrary to "grandmaster-correct" ideology.

DMC


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From: antonp@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: F indicted, is this good for chess's image
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:16:32 GMT


I know it has already been announced that Fischer has
been indicted a few times, but I figured it
would be worthwhile to post the USA Today story
that broke the news to me. It is very interesting to
note that USA identifies Fischer as Chess Champion
more than once. Read about what it says about Fischer's present
lifestyle and possible plans for the future and
think about what this story _ON THE FRONT PAGE OF
USA TODAY_ will do to the chess world's image,
knowing that USA today is read by millions who
get no other sources of information on the Fischer
and Chess world stories...

The following was published by USA Today,
December 16, 1992, Page 1. I strongly advise anyone
interested to get a copy...
Begin story:

"Chess King Fischer indicted"
By Tom Squitieri
and Robert Davis
USA TODAY
	BELGRADE, Yugoslavia
-The U.S. indicted chess champ Bobby Fischer Tuesday, vowing to arrest
the political 'pawn' if he returns.
	But Fischer- who spat on a federal warning not to breach 
economic sanctions by playing in a widely publicized match here-
enjoys life as a champion.
	He gets daily back massages, takes Serbian language lessons and is 
mulling over a job as head of the Yugoslavian Chess Federation. He
plans to write a book.
	If he returns to the USA he faces prison, fines, forfeiture
of the $3.35 million prize and 10% of match royalties.
	He's 'being checkmated in Yugoslavia,' said U.S. Attorney Jay
Stephens. He said Fischer, 49, is 'a pawn of Yugoslavia's effort
to bust the economic sanctions.'
	Fischer, who didn't comment, has other woes.
	Jesdimir Vasiljevic, the banker who organized the match,
hasn't paid up. Vasiljevic, who owns gas stations that reportedly
sell black market gas, is running for president of Serbia."


Now please tell me that this press is not detrimental to
Chess's image... This story effectively links professional
chess, certainly at least US professional chess, to
the black market, Serbia (which has a slightly worse
image nowadays than Nazi Germany), and "daily back massages."
Furthermore, it makes the "chess champion" Fischer look
like a fool, "checkmated" by the US Attorney's Office
and swindled out of millions by a future third
world dictator. Lastly, by announcing that Fischer is
"mulling over" the top job in a professional
chess federation, how does this story make
professional chess federations look?

Now remember that USA Today
is far and away the largest newspaper in the free
world, and that its many readers will now
have this story, and very little else, to
judge the events of F-SII and their implications
on the image of the chess world.

Tell me again, Don, how "any press is good press" for chess.

Peter Anton
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu (Kevin Gowen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Mchess Pro
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:52:46 GMT
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Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec17.212902.22413@osf.org> cliu@osf.org (Chauncy Liu) writes:
>I have 286 with 1M RAM (30M hard disc) 12MHz, 

My condolences.

>Does anyone know the performance of MChess Pro on this machine, 

Lousy.

>what is the rating going to be about on this machine.

Low.

>-but

Seriously, don't even *think* about running M-Chess Pro on this primitive
system.  It wants 12 Meg to run its hash tables, will take 4Meg if that's
all that's available, and God only knows what it'll do with only 1Meg.
Will it even run?  Please consider upgrading, if you can afford it.  You'll
get a lot more "oomph" out of MChess if you do.

Aesthetically, this is like putting a gold earring on a pig's nose.  Sorry, I
just had to say that...

-kevin
kgowen@cie.uoregon.edu
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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Fischer to play Ljubojevic
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.160851.19941@crash> uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) write
s:
>Who is Ljubojevic?  WHat is his ranking in the world of GM's?

     I hope there aren't too many others out there in net land
     who don't know this, but...

     Ljubojevic (or Ljubo) is a strong Yugoslavian GM.  He has
     been a GM for quite a while too.  At least since the early
     1970s.  He was ranked 46th as of July 1992 with a rating
     of 2600 FIDE.

     I'm surprised that noone ever compared his career with that
     of Keres in the "best player never to win the world championship"
     discussions.  He's had some pretty major tournament victories
     (e.g. SWIFT 1987 with Kasparov, Karpov, Korchnoi, Timman, Short
     -need I say more?), and when he's on he can be unstopable.
     Ray Keene once said he actually was not a good player - he just
     sets traps, but very deep ones that are hard to avoid.

     What was the source for this match information?  If it's true
     I'll be very happy!

-Mark
From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: USCF Rating
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:13:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Dec17.021333.11655
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

Kenneth Sloan writes
> [proposed new rule: all games emplying the Grob Opening count as 2K for
> the winner and 0.00001K for the loser - unless one of them is rated over
> 2487, in which case they both get a lifetime title of pi]
In that case, I would play in any rated thematic Grob tournament!!!

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From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding the issues
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:22:10 GMT

The following exchange occurred in one of the "discussions":

>
> Personally, I don't think Fischer is as good as Kasparov. But I would be
> delighted to be proved wrong if Fischer plays any further matches. If he
> doesn't, then who can disprove the claim that he only came back for the
money?

Even if he did play, how could you disprove it? A man's motives are something
even the best court in the world can only guess at.


There is a famous quote from an English judge to the effect that "the state
of a man's mind is as much a question of fact as the state of his digestion".
Has the law changed?  Is this off the topic?  Is there a topic?  Is anyone
going to confuse Sherzer and Shirazi after the U.S. Championship?

So many questions - so few answers.
From: rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess psychology
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:51:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rodin@acs.bu.edu


Keywords

Some quick comments about the psychology piece:

>First of all, as one of the ones who scolded you for your 'joke',
>I should say that the reason many of us disapproved was because of
>a waste of bandwidth. This costs dinero. Apparently, only the computer
>scientists among the crowd were aware of this fact.

Yes he was the one. He was the one that scolded me. 


>Second, you make gross generalizations about chess players and computer
>scientists which are founded on steroetypes that have been drilled into
>your head by others.

Sorry.

>Certainly, there are chess players and computer scientists who are sexually >frustrated. There are football players that are sexually frustrated as well. To >say that chess players in general are (or computer scientists or any other >group) sexually frustrated is ridiculous, since chessplayers are as diverse a >group as any.

If A is greater than B and  B is greater than C then  A is greater than C!


>Consider that many people who are either unintelligent, ignorant, or not well >versed in technical fields are searching (subconciously) for a rationalization of
>their failures intellectually.

Consider it done.

-steve - chess player and computer scientist

A non biased opinion.


	Steve you have answered my question. I challenge you to a game. If you win, I'll give you $100 dollars. If you loose...well I defer the prize to you, just like I will  defer white to you. Please accept and put my theory to test. If I were to loose, the money would be the least of your winnings--for you will have gotten my silence. I'll be in the Carribean till the early begginings of January, I hope I'll have my reply and your move in Mail box.  
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From: rryan@panix.com (Rob Ryan)
Subject: Re: Fischer to play Ljubojevic
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:36:08 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Dec17.015400.14264@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>     What was the source for this match information?  If it's true
>     I'll be very happy!

The NY Times had an article on it today, 12/17.

-- 
 Rob Ryan
    rryan@panix.com
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM'S AT CHESS CHOW/CHESS LI
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:17:05 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

<sigh> I thought I had gotten out of this thread, but no, no, I guess
not, I guess I'm going to have to explain it ONE MORE TIME.  <sigh>
Get a grip, get a grip man, its just bandwidth, and you're on a
free account, ok.  <sigh> Here goes:

What I said was that there is a distinction between World Champion
as a title, and "best chessplayer in the world".  To attain the
second is impossible.  To attain the first is only possible through
abiding by the rules that surround the title.  That's why it's
possible to unseat a World Champion.  Because he/she's not the "best".

Kasparov is the World Champion.  Kasparov is not the "best chessplayer
in the world" because there is no best chessplayer in the world.

<sigh> No, don't flame, don't do it don't do it, it won't make you
feel any better.....GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! <sigh> OK, that
was relaxing.

	Jason
	Worst Chessplayer in the West, Yee-ha.
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From: simonich@croatia.eng.hou.compaq.com (Chris Simonich)
Subject: Re: Nigel Short
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:01:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.144246.26903@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>If Nigel Short should beat Timman, and then go on to beat Garry
>Kasparov (admittedly very unlikely), it is my opinion that he would
>lose the title back to Kasparov in 1996.  Would this make him a
>champion for the "Short-term"?  :-)
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger

Without a doubt.....how can a champion, victorious in head to head play
in a championship match, not be a champion?

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From: gene@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gene E. Johannsen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: FTP site for games
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

Hey:

	With all the requests for missed chapters in the US Championship,
wouldn't it be nice if there was an ftp site where games could be archived?  
I'm not talking about single games per file, but these big game collections,
like the US Championships, one round per file.

	Could anyone do that?  It isn't really feasible for me right now,
but maybe later.

gene
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From: rryan@panix.com (Rob Ryan)
Subject: Fischer Indicted
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:22:10 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC
Keywords: fischer yugoslavia bad boy indict lose money

A Federal Grand Jury has indicted Fischer on one count of violating the
International Emergency Economic Powers Act.  If convicted he could get
charged upto 10 years in prison and fined $250,000 (as well as forfeit
the $3.35m and the 10% royalties, according to CNN).

U.S. Attorney Jay Stevens said that while they're looking to get Fischer
extradited, that it is unlikely to happen as long as Fischer remains in
Yugoslavia.

-- 
 Rob Ryan
    rryan@panix.com
From: jeff@econBerkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer time controls on ICS
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:36:36 GMT
Organization: Econometrics Laboratory, U. C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
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|> 
|> Seems on ICS now you have to call the opponent's flag.  I liked it better when the  
|> loss wsa autmatic.  This is actually an accepted variation in _ORC_ for time  
|> controls, but it has to be done consistently, which it was.


The advantage of the current implementation is that you have the *option*
of calling the flag.  Thus you can choose to play on if the game is 
interesting.  Also, in real tournaments, you have to call the flag in order
to win on time, so why not simulate a real tournament game?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeff Ely                         |    "He said the Sun's not yellow...  
Department of Economics          |     It's Chicken!" 
UC Berkeley                      |
jeff@econ.berkeley.edu           |    

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