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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:43:28 EDT
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      words-l history
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>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>      Old-Timer
>      Subscribed to WORDS-L the day it was born
>
Haven't you been the listowner since the inception of Words-l??
Were you a mere subscriber in the beginning?  Somehow, I have this
image of Words-l being born on Ra and making its way around the world.

rashmi
subscriber for 6 months
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:16:28 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: For Sports Fans of Feminine Gender (Hi Emily)
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              3 Apr 1992 16:29:00 PST from
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On Fri, 3 Apr 1992 16:29:00 PST Emily Horning said:
>est. I would love to see more ladies' sports events on TV, but I think you and
>I are in the minority. There are still a lot of people out there who give me a
>funny look when I say I'm going to be watching the Final Four (no cracks Dan),
>or the Dodgers' opener, or the Raiders, etc. "Hrmmph" to them, I say.
>
   Congratulations.....on being fan of Dodgers and Raiders....the team that
plays football the way it was MEANT to be played....Real Men Wear Black...
and as Gail's tshirt says....Real Women Wear Black.....(when they wear
anything at all)

   And, speaking of tshirts, in case we didn't say it before, Gail and I
BOTH wore words-l tshirts when we walked on Saturday.  Took pictures
before and a fter, so there will be PROOF for any who need it.  8-)

dan

      p.s.   We also watched Womens Final Four....
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:09:00 EDT
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bumper sticker: Play it safe...
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> honor. Do those of you who teach invite students over? Were you invited
> when you were undergraduates?

I've been to my ex-advisor's house a couple of times.  It's a
gorgeous condo about a mile from school, and is impeccably
furnished..it turns out that she's a collector of rare books, which
doesn't surprise me since she's a Classics professor.  She invited
the students of her fall 1989 Freshman Seminar over for a dinner,
which I went to (and found myself doing most of the cooking!), then
we had a seminar reunion the next semester, and then I went to a
going-away party for another classics professor hosted by my
ex-advisor. The oddest thing about going over to her house was seeing her in
casusal clothing, for here she's the skirt, turtleneck, and blazer
type.


Anyway, I gotta go--leaving for the airport soon..

--Adam

p.s.  I succumbed and went back to the MAIL setting.  BWPness cannot
be suppressed.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:40:25 EDT
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From:         TWILD%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: English geeks (was Re: in-jokes and such

   I would in no way classify myself as an English Geek or any
 combination thereof, but span the range - I have a BS in Computer
 Science and Applied Mathematics and a minor in English.  I remember
 the enthusiasm from my English advisor when I discussed the minor -
 she found it refreshing that someone in the hard science curriculum
 was so interested in English. To me, the arts represented the rounding
 out of my personality.  I regularly saw Physics professors and other
 'hard science' people at music and art events.  One Physics professor
 even had his own classical music show on the campus radio station.
 As I took a few years (7) to get my BS, I suppose I had time to
 understand and appreciate other things, something many students
 intent only on the 4yr degree often miss.

 Theresa Wild
 TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU
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From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Cambridge pre-clam slam Raiment
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Joan says:
>See you all later -- got to get some papers graded first ...

I've got four papers to go after this one! My attire is
similar to Rod's - necktie and backpack. I think we are the
same age, too. Who will be able to identify us correctly?
See you in a couple hours. Bill
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:57:49 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

I don't think I really had to face any teasing after I was around twelve. I
mean those guys still teased, but I had developed such an insufferable
arrogance by then that I don't think I even detected it. I don't know where
this supreme arrogance came from. It was just self-propelled.

Most of my then enemies are very good friends of mine. None is an enemy. One
of the worst of them in fact visited me when I was about to leave for Chicago
and cordially invited me to participate in the foreign exchange racket he was
running. Old school friends must stick together and so on. This was the guy
who was a specialist in arm-twisting, hitting on the head, snatching lunch-
boxes and playing with the victim etc. Oops, I shouldn't mention it, since it
is forgotten :-)

Teasing came in two varieties. The early part was due to direct reasons. (Not
liking a particular game etc.) In the later stages, I (like the standard
example) learnt "their" language, could talk about their intersts and so on.
Then the teasing shifts to subtler things. ("You scholar-type might be
interested in this crap" or "Guru ! Don't trouble us with your literature
shiterature." etc.)

I don't know when it disappeared. It went without warning. The tone of "You
scholar-types might be interested" gently changed from snideness to friendli-
ness. (Or my priggishness made me hear it as that.) I am surprised that I have
absolutely no bitter feelings about it now.

tushar
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Redundancy
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              04 Apr 92 22:18:57 CST." <9204050033.aa15359@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>:
>
>The sentence I read was something on alt.usage.english (or rec.puzzles)
>What it said was "... and so this street is named North East avenue,
>which makes it one of the only streets in the world with that name."
>
>I don't remember the actual name, though.
>
>Anyway, I think that "only" is redundant here. The poster no doubt intended
>to say "one of the <very few> streets in the world".
>
>tushar

Doesn't sound redundant to me.  Just wrong.

- Don R
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:33:07 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tarmac rugrats
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> I'm sure you were one of the nice children who didn't tease or torment
> anybody...if I were going to the clambake, I would certainly want to see
> you there.

I was the perfect child.  That's why I joined the neighborhood gang to
shoot pea-shooters at passing cars and to ring doorbells and then hide.
And then there was the time I threw a fork at my brother while we were
eating watermelon and left three small holes in his arm.  And then there
was school.  Who me?  Join (help instigate) the humming that sent our
eighth-grade English teacher to the funny farm?  Surely not.  Hmmm.
It's a good thing I've got to log off and go somewhere soon.  This note
could go on and on and on...

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     Nice Child :-)
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:37:12 EST
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cool
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              Rouvalis" at Apr 16, 92 10:31 pm

Rita Marie Rouvalis writes:
>
> 	Beansies!  I just won a t-shirt on the 'BCN Sex Palace.
> Now before you all (Lobstrosity!) start jumping to conclusions,
> I won it by stumping Bradly J. at Science Trivia with the
> following question:
>
> 	Who coined the term "bug" in terms of computers?
>
>
> Czarina

  The (late, I didn't know this until my most recent CACM arrived,
Jan 1 was the date) Admiral Grace Hopper.


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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:33:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: Colorado tags (was proposal)

My copy of _Cinders and Smoke_ was exactly where I thought it would
be.  The other skinny roads serving Silverton, Colorado (which was
originally called Baker's Park, until a frustrated gold rusher noted
"We may not have any gold, but we have silver by the ton) were the
Silverton Gladstone and Northerly and the Silverton RR (to Ironton.)
The contemporary excursion train turns on the Silverton's wye.
Otto Mears, the promoter behind the Rio Grande Southern, also built
the Silverton, SG&N, and SN.

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:04:13 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Archives (was: Re: Degree-dropping)

> PS.  Not all is well with WORDS-L - only *one* letter on Sunday's archives,
>      and none for today.

Although I haven't checked on the archive since mail started pouring in
around 11 this morning, I'm assuming that mail to the archive resumed at
that time also.  That means that yesterday's archive will remain forever
tiny and today's will be huge -- with yesterday's and today's mail in it.
I still don't know what caused the mysterious problems.  Bernard probably
knows and will tell me when I get home.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:38:04 +0200
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: econometrics
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              08 Apr 92 22:35:18 -0500. <9204090338.AA19311@sics.se>

  Tushar explains carefully:

>Look, I was not confusing. I was merely explaining in beautifully
>constructed prose a difficult concept, in a style which is a model
>of economy and elegance, yet not skimping on important details.

  Yet for some reason there was no immediate clamor of voices complaining
that you had written "closed" twice (instead of "closed" and "open").
Can it possibly be that your explanations were not studied in detail
by the wordslers? Pearls before swine, indeed.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:22:00 EDT
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Subject:      re:gleanings (38)

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
To:     IN%"WORDS-L@UGA"@MRGATE@JCCW22



 ???> what, why, and how.  Today I am lucky if I can stop myself from ending my
<> sentences with a preposition ... alas, but thank God my mother isn't
<<around

 NATALIE < Why would you consider it lucky to stop yourself from ending sentence
   s with
  < prepositions?

ANNE:<I've always understood that it was incorrect usage.  "Where's the car
<_at_?"  "Who'd you go _with_?"  The first is redundant; you only need to
<ask "Where's the car?" and the second should properly read, "With whom did
<you go?"                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As I've received the wisdom, the "don't end with a preposition" rule is based
on Latin grammar; a *Pre-position* comes before its object in that language.
It's just plain pedantic to try to enforce it in English because a sentence
is understandable either way. (Usually I think of inflected languages as
having more freedom with word order, but apparently not in this case.)

Latin, as the language of The Church, is the model for all other languages,
right?  Adam and Eve spoke Latin, people in heaven speak Latin, Jesus would
have spoke Latin except that he spoke the degenerate language of the common
people, King James' English ;-)... Rules of traditional English grammar are
based on Latin, so we get bullshit like six tenses when we have in fact only
two. And the examples go on and on...

Les
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:04:37 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L in Cambridge
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>nice, though I wasn't down at that end of the table.  Rod
>immortalized the occasion for us on film!


You MUST post a .gif to the words-l archive!

-abh
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From:         Clint Darling <DARLING%CATLIN.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Disk quotas (was Re: away for a few days)

>all this bragging about who has the most blocks on his/her disk reminds me
>of the people I secretly laughed at in SDS (Students for A Democratic Society,
>in case you're not young enough to remember the '60s)--the ones who spent too
>much time bragging about all their arrests, instead of dealing with the issues.

        An interesting perception. I had rather the same reaction to all
the braggadocio related to one's large number of inane messages. Fortunately,
IMHO, since Dr StuD had the temerity to proffer a mild objection to the
midden of mesages, most of the threads have been devoid of that silliness.
In fact, reading Words-L is becoming interesting fare again, as it was more
than a year ago when I was first charmed by the diversity of curmudgeonly
opinion on this List. I'm even trying to plan my trip East this summer to
coincide with the clambake (tho' shellfish make me deathly ill), but it's
certainly not for the purpose of surveying the girth of BWPs.

Clint
in Portland, OR, where winter has returned after a month of early spring
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:21:00 GMT
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      in-jokes and such

>>When we pointed this out to them, someone raised the metaphor or the WWII
>>bomber crew ---buddies who stick together and exclude "outsiders".  Not a
>>very good model for this or any lList.
>>
>>I know we all revel in being clever and smartass,but please, not to the
>>deterioration of the social fabric of the list.

>        IMO, every group will develop a set of in-jokes.  The test is
>whether or not we are willing to let others in on it.  Were you made to
>feel reasonably welcome, Stu?  You seem to be adjusting to the list!

>Rita


I must admit to being slightly intimidated (who, me?) both by the
volume of postings and by the in-jokes on the list when I first
subscribed.  However, on any list, there are a certain number of
in-jokes mentioned, and often a certain amount of jargon used.  It
just takes a while to get used to the conventions used by the
group; it also takes a bit of reading to "get" some of the jokes.
Some of them have to be explained, but in the short time I've been
reading WORDS-L, several have been explained, with good grace (where
does that expression come from? Is there such a thing as bad
grace?).  That helps.  Of course, the volume of the postings
helps, too, since (often, but not always) the more something
is mentioned, the clearer it becomes.  It sometimes seems like a
puzzle, where each mention adds a piece of the puzzle, and *some* of
the fun comes from putting it together.

I've always loved puzzles!

(BTW, my undergrad degree was in math, but I am a librarian (altho
 I'm not working in a traditional librarian position), so where do
 I fit in the headcount?)

Jill

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:06:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: The Tunnel that Swallowed Chicago

Carol Goodson asked how I knew so much about the tunnel flood.

I hid in Al Capone's vault :-)

Seriously, the details about the tunnel system are in _Forty Feet
Below_ by Bruce Moffat, published by Interurban Press.  The _Trib_
ran a short story about the tunnels not too long ago that made the
Sinclair and Geraldo connection (which in truth doesn't exist.)
I looked up the _Jungle_ reference: one of the protagonists helped
*dig* it.  Sinclair asserted that at least one person a day died
building the tunnel, and the purpose was a plot to bust the teamster
union.  Literary economics again.

Both Moffat and Richard Kunz, a Chicagoan who helped Moffat with the
research, have been on Chicago news tv describing the tunnels.

I didn't see the PBS on infrastructure (nor have I watched much
PBS at all lately).  I've been watching Bill Koch learn that a
heavy boat with a small sailplan isn't the best choice to defend the
America's Cup :-(

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal%STACK.URC.TUE.NL@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodnight Yawn
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From: "Aaron Dickey, still alive" <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>
:My ex-female cat was named Bill.

You cat has been masculated?

G
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:12:10 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Did It!

> But what if the problems the list just had in France were at sites you
> had to go through to get out of your area?  Then what are you going to
> do (besides make a tall, cool drink and lie in the sun)?

I would buy my own direct link from Villefranche-sur-Mer to UGA --
and another one to MSSTATE.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: tarmac rugrats

Notes Rashmi:

: I always told (little brother) that he was lucky I had "trained"
: our parents.

There must be some unwritten Oldest Child code someplace -- I used
to tell my brother and sister the same thing.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:47:15 EDT
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From:         Don Thornton <DTHORNTN%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Roundabouts and such
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.I guess because you've never been a girl.
.Evelyn

That's certainly true, and vive la ...!

Though my old favorite Art Journal was the Feminist AJ and I'm
sad it has been gone so long.

Don
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:14:01 EDT
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: jones/ethnicities

      yes...just remove the "l" in the middle
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:38:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Income tax:form 8829

Expoundeth    Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

> I just attended the IRS was there, as usual, promoting this service.
> they also push buttons for librarians to wear (though have to admit I've
> never seen a librarian wear one....maybe they do in public libraries)
> saying various things, such as "information, not advice" and others to
> remind the folks that we librarians don't practice medicine, law, accounting,
> etc.

     That would explain where the posters proclaiming "No Tax Advice"
came from in our campus media center.  They looked too well done to be
local.  (The words "Tax Advice" in the 'no' symbol, the red circle
with a bar through it.)

The Ronin
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