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From: dks@Apple.COM (dk smith)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET, REDUCES ADDICTION
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:43:32 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


       [Description of liquid fruit juice diet deleted]

Just think how good this could be by adding ample portions of fruit
and vegetables and pasta dishes, *and* daily exercise. Careful... you might
feel like a human being, again. Try it, you'll like it!

-dk
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From: jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (JONATHAN STONE JACKSON)
Subject: Research
Originator: jsjackso@c00067-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (JONATHAN STONE JACKSON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:50:22 GMT


I am currently doing research for a paper on the history of
drugs and drug use. I would appreciate any references to
the means of discovery, uses (i.e. recreational, medical, 
ritual), etc. of any drugs in ancient times up through
around 1500 AD. 

--Thanks
----Redbeard
From: f1sami@uta.fi (Samu Mielonen)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: TENS unit for sale
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:24:27 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In <1992Nov07.135125.8217@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:

->I have detailed information on TENS units that may be purchased mailorder
->with or without prescription. If anyone is interested, post your
->inquiry in this newsgroup, and I'll post the information.

Please do send the information.

-- 
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f1sami@kielo.uta.fi
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"Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here."
                                   J.T. Kirk
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:12:15 GMT

jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas) writes:

| Note that the quack that was
| treating me at the time refused to counteract the anxiety adaquately
| with high enough doses of benzos (especially valium, which I needed for 
| muscle relaxation) because she was in terror of New York
| State Triplicate monitoring and in fear of losing her license.  Of course,
| she had no trouble trying to prescribe strong tranqs, despite the fact that
| I had no psychotic symptoms, despite the risk of getting Tardive Dyskinisisea,
| because she felt no threat to her precious license.

There are anti-anxiety agents other than the benzodiazepines and the major
tranquilizers that might have been a better choice.  (Low-dose trazadone or
Buspar come to mind.)  Or maybe you'd have been better off with a "good old"
sedating tricyclic, instead of one of the "new fangled" less sedating
anti-depressants.
-- 

Welcome to Sci.med -- where-school-of-thought bashing is as old as
sickness itself.

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From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,sci.med
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:13:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.051340.12598
Organization: University of Washington

jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.091955.10888@ennews.eas.asu.edu> nwatson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Nathan F. Watson) writes:
>>There has been some discussion about a new antidepressant drug
>>on the market called "Zoloft".  I could probably get this
>>information from my pharmacist, but does anyone know how the
>>drug's cost compares to Prozac?  Also, what are the relative
>>advantages/disadvantages compared to Prozac?

>I took Zoloft for a while (I have an 'agitated depression (296.23).  It 
>hyped me up, gave me tremor, and made me sweat profusely in a couple weeks.
>I never had Prozac.  It could have given me the same reaction with Prozac

I've taken both Zoloft and Prozac. Of the two, I much preferred Zoloft
because of the clarity and verve it stimulated. I could certainly see,
however, that this would be precisely a reason to avoid it if you have any
manic symptoms or are otherwise sensitive to amphetamine-like effects. You
may well lose weight on Zoloft, which for me was not a bad thing.


>Second, Zoloft is more selectively blocks serotonin-reuptake than Prozac does.
>Thus, there are supposedly fewer side effects, and I guess you can block 
>serotonin-reuptake better than Prozac, (I guess).  

My understanding is that there are two distinct serotonin pathways and
that Prozac and Zoloft on different ones. There's a real consequence to
this if you suffer from migraine: Prozac is quite likely to exacerbate
migraine, while Zoloft will, for many, tend to alleviate the frequency and
severity of the headaches.


>My advice is that you are going to try Zoloft, if you have an agitated as
>opposed to a retarded depression, make sure you're psychiatrist is not shy
>about prescribing high doses of Valium to counteract the amphetamine response
>of Zoloft (true also of other activating anti-depressants like Prozac and 
>Wellbutrin).

Yeah, but personally I'd suggest Xanax over the Valium. It's
shorter-acting and more precise. You don't get nearly as stupid/sleepy but
you get just as much relief. It seems more tightly focused. Watch out for
short-term memory problems, though.

>Note that I'm not a doctor and the above is just my opinion from reading about
>a lot about anti-depressants and psychopharachology.

Same here.

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:14:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.184930.27206@larouch.uucp> jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas) writes:
>My advice is that you are going to try Zoloft, if you have an agitated as
>opposed to a retarded depression, make sure you're psychiatrist is not shy
>about prescribing high doses of Valium to counteract the amphetamine response
>of Zoloft (true also of other activating anti-depressants like Prozac and 
>Wellbutrin).

First, not all individuals react to either fluoxetine (Prozac) or
sertraline (Zoloft) with anxiousness and anxiety.  It is a common
side effect, but it's not universal at all.  The same is true
of bupropion (Wellbutrin), which is a drug with an entirely different
mechanism of action.  And it would be incorrect to describe any of these
drugs' side-effects as "amphetamine-like".  (Amphetamines are much more
pleasant. :-))  I also think that many psychiatrists would be more
hesitant to prescribe such drugs in individuals who are agitated to
begin with (though I do not know whether the incidence of dysphoric
anxiety and insomnia is actually greater in these folks than in others.)

A more appropriate response to such a reaction might be an adjustment
of the dose or trying a different agent, rather than prescribing
benzodiazepines simultaneously.  While these _might_ be helpful, I
don't think anyone would say that prescribing a drug like Valium is
a good response _in general_ to the anxiety and insomnia which might
occur in some people given serotonin-reuptake blockers.  There is some
evidence that benzodiazepines can precipitate depression in at least
some individuals, and might muddy the therapeutic waters in achieving
a beneficial effect.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: to jermey@rsc3 and other net.chemists
Keywords: request synthesis documents
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:14:45 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

If anyone has any interesting and well-documented lab synthesis for some of our
friendlier molecules, could you post them?

Esp. DMT and MDMA etc.



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From: dgidez@netcom.com (Daniel Gidez)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Nootropil [Piracetam]
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:41:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Could someone out there is netland please email me that proper starting 
dosage and brief risk summary of piracetam?? (As well as the length before 
effect is noticed).

Regards -- Dan Gidez
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From: jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas)
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Organization: Larouch Headquarters
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.091955.10888@ennews.eas.asu.edu> nwatson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Nathan F. Watson) writes:
>There has been some discussion about a new antidepressant drug
>on the market called "Zoloft".  I could probably get this
>information from my pharmacist, but does anyone know how the
>drug's cost compares to Prozac?  Also, what are the relative
>advantages/disadvantages compared to Prozac?

I took Zoloft for a while (I have an 'agitated depression (296.23).  It 
hyped me up, gave me tremor, and made me sweat profusely in a couple weeks.
I never had Prozac.  It could have given me the same reaction with Prozac
(the side effect profiles are the same).  Note that the quack that was
treating me at the time refused to counteract the anxiety adaquately
with high enough doses of benzos (especially valium, which I needed for 
muscle relaxation) because she was in terror of New York
State Triplicate monitoring and in fear of losing her license.  Of course,
she had no trouble trying to prescribe strong tranqs, despite the fact that
I had no psychotic symptoms, despite the risk of getting Tardive Dyskinisisea,
because she felt no threat to her precious license.

I got about a 500 pages of information about Zoloft, and there seem to
be two advantages of it over prozac.  First, the half-life of
sertraline(Zoloft), (up to about 102 hours) and its active metabolites,
while still long, is still much shorter than that of Prozac and its
active metabolites (between 1 and 2 weeks).  Thus the effective wash out period
of Zoloft is about a week vs. up to 8 weeks for Prozac.  Therefore, if something
does go wrong, or you want to do something like switch to an MAOI, you're
better off with Zoloft than with Prozac in terms of getting rid of the piece
of drug.

Second, Zoloft is more selectively blocks serotonin-reuptake than Prozac does.
Thus, there are supposedly fewer side effects, and I guess you can block 
serotonin-reuptake better than Prozac, (I guess).  

My advice is that you are going to try Zoloft, if you have an agitated as
opposed to a retarded depression, make sure you're psychiatrist is not shy
about prescribing high doses of Valium to counteract the amphetamine response
of Zoloft (true also of other activating anti-depressants like Prozac and 
Wellbutrin).

Note that I'm not a doctor and the above is just my opinion from reading about
a lot about anti-depressants and psychopharachology.

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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 22:15:53 EST
From: James D. Griffith <3RM7HL7@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: robitussin coughdrops

Recently my friends and I have read about ingesting robitussin DM for
hallucigenic effects.  We decided to try this one night but unfortunatly
we could not afford the liquid version of robitussin DM but we were able
to each purchase a bag of robitussin DM coughdrops.  After ingesting a
bag each we proceded to do tequilla shots.  WOW! Three days later my
roomate found himself locked in the trunk of his own car with a bag of
Doritos.  What a night!!!  We can't figure out whether it was the
tequilla or the coughdrops but it was cool.  So long from the far side.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Research
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:26:50 GMT

"Food of the Gods" by Terrence McKenna.  Emphasis is on psychoactive
plants and psychoactive derivaties of plants.  Presents pre-historic
usage evidence.

Bob
-- 
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        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it, but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and one must start all
         over again."

                                                     Elia Kazan


               PGP 1.0 or 2.0 public key available on request.
From: Eton Ben-Ami <ebenami@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Date: 07 Nov 92 07:47 PST
Subject: Re: TENS unit for sale
Nf-ID: #R:galaxy.ucr.edu:23729:cdp:1519500003:000:727
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ebenami    Nov  7 07:47:00 1992


   I would be interested in more info on TENS.  Does anyone make a
device for attaching the electrodes to the small of the back.
This isn't a joke.  My girlfriend has a chronic pain problem and
she doesn't use her TENS machine most of the time, because she
cannot place the electrode accurately by herself.  Accuracy
appears to be everything with TENS units.  She also reports having
to increase current over time to get relief, even though she is
not experiencing more pain.
   As a brain-hacker, I find this whole thing fascinating, beyond
its practical uses.
   Is there any relationship between TENS connection points and
accupuncture?
   AND BTW are there recreational uses for these units?
   Sexual???

-- Etan Ben-Ami


Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Query: What is Haldol?...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:55:20 GMT

bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:

>  Haldol is a anti psychotic from the phenothiaziane
>group of drugs. 

Haloperidol (AKA Haldol, Janssen, 1959) is not a phenothiazine
(note spelling).   Of course, saying phenothiazine is a good guess
when you can't be bothered to look it up, since, after all, there
are a great many phenothiazine antipsychotics.  ...and, hell, this
is alt.drugs and no one knows what they are talking about here anyway.

Now that I have that out of my system, Haloperidol is a butyrophenone, 
related to spiperone (also Janssen).  Haloperidol, in addition to being 
a dopamine receptor antagonist, also bind sigma opioid receptors.  This
is useful when you have a handful of mouse spleen and no 3H-SKF-10047.
 

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Nootropic scams. Beware!!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 05:59:50 GMT


 I've seen adds in magazines for nootropics and nootropic-like things for
extremely elevated prices. My better judgement warns me that these are
scams, seeing how nootropics, regardless of their efficacy, have become
quite a fad. Don't get duped. I will say that I have read positive reports
about centrfenoxine and mefexamide (the articles were in French... I'm
assuming they were positive as far as my French can tell... :-) ). Still
be wary of what seems to be an extremely high price. It probably is a
jacked up price. 

St. Anthony

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From: jparnas@larouch.uucp (Jacob Parnas)
Subject: Re: Zoloft?
Organization: Larouch Headquarters
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:54:40 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921012125226.256@ACSNovell1.uta.edu> donahoe@acsnovell1.uta.edu writes:
>    I have a friend who was prescribed an anti-depressant (she
>thinks), and all that is marked on the prescription bottle, (besides
>the doctor's name, dosage, and her name) is the word ZOLOFT.  I have
>tried to find this in the 1992 editions of the PDR, Merck's, USAN,
>AHFS, and other guides.  There seems to be no entry as either a
>product name or generic name.  Also, no phychotropic listings that
>are even closely spelled or phonectically close to ZOLOFT.  Anyone
>know what this stuff is?  It really alters her mood (makes her horny
>as a mink).  Really like some info on contraindications and
>interactions.

Zoloft was just approved for use in the US in 2/92, so it is not in
the 1992 PDR.  There should be the usual package insert in the Supplement
A or B.

If you really want a lot of info on it, get any health professional to order
all clinical studies on it.  They sent me about 500 pages.

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From: aj236@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,sci.med
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:25:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


An advantage to Zoloft is that it only takes a week to reach peak
plasma levels as oposed to four to six weeks for Prozac.

Additionally, though onehopes this wouldn't be a consideration
for you, Zoloft is much, much harder to overdose on.

I took Zoloft for awhile and it allowed me to deal with a crises
that I was too non-functional to deal with otherwise. I felt
real "normal" for the first time in a while. When I tapered off
and eventually stopped taking it, I noticed no ill effects.

Good Luck!
-- 
Dave Fox         Internet - aj236@cleveland.freenet.edu
                             dwfox@aol.com
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From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Query: What is Haldol?...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:18:16 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

"Charles D. Nichols" <cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

}Haldol is increasingly being used as a "mental restraint" on people with
}alzheimers disease.  The families of these patients are mostly ignorant
}and will "trust their doctor's judgement" when their relatives are being
}cared for in a hospital or home.  This is a bad idea because the last
}thing these people need is to experience more mental degeneration as
}described above by haldol.  If you know someone with alzheimers and they
}are on haldol, talk to their doctor and get them off of it!  From
}personal experience, the patients may become a little cranky but their
}mental alertness returns a little when haldol is discontinued.

Well, I would certainly question the doctor, but things can get
a little complicated caring for an Alzheimer's patient. The woman
next door to my parents drove off in the family car (I should add
that she is not especially old) and was stopped by the police 
drving the wrong way down the Ottawa Busway (extremely dangerous, 
and not just to her). She was let off with a warning, and the 
family finally found her at a motel in a small town half way
to the US. The doctor had her driver's licence suspended
immediately, but it was unclear that she would remember this.

-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: dwood@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Smart Drug stuff from OMNI
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:39:36 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Looking through my latest (November 92) issue of Omni, I noticed a rather large
ad entitled "NOW! Freely Available to Americans...
             EUROPEAN SMART DRUGS"
For a mere?!? $50, you receive Life Extension Report and Life Extension Update
each month.  Also, The directory of life extension doctors, The physician's
guide to Life Extension drugs, The directory of innovative medical clinics,
Discounts of 25-50% on vitamin purchases (through "their" mail-order pharmacy),
and 20% on all prescription drug purchases (once again, through their pharmacy).

If you're interested call 1-800-841-5433, or get the coupon out of Omni...

There is also an address in the back for the Nootropic News:
At:   Nootropic News
      P.O. Box 177-om
      Camarillo, CA 93011
  (805)379-2666

BTW...if the dollar sign messes this note up, the cost for European Smart Drugs
is 50 dollars...Also, their address:
                Life Extension Foundation
                P.O. Box 229120
                Hollywood, FL 33022

If you check either or these out, then write back, I'm interested...

D'on

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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Zoloft (antidepressant) -- cost compared to Prozac?
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:19:06 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov9.051340.12598@u.washington.edu> hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas) writes:
]Yeah, but personally I'd suggest Xanax over the Valium. It's
How about Buspar? 


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