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From: theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Theriault)
Subject: Boob tube nudes
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division, Vancouver, CANADA
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:27:26 GMT
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Cliff Goldstein writes....
>a couple shots of his butt hanging out.  The audience though saw all.
>(Note: This WAS done in front of a live audience who presumably signed
>some form of release and/or had been warned in advance.  This was NOT
>a case of creative editing or video tricks as I have some training in
>television production.)

Why, pray tell, should the audience be warned? Sort of spoils the joke,
doesn't it? And why not warn the audience of the guns (don't worry,
boys and girls, that's just ketchup, and there's no bullets in the 
gun...:-( )

I like to think that here in Canada, you need a permit for a GUN, not
for a dangling penis. 


Changing the subject quickly to swimming pool attire, I heard from 
a newsreader in Santa Monica, CA, that he once wore a thong in the UCLA
outdoor pool, but was asked to cease and desist by the lifeguards.

In Australia, I was at a few resort pools where thongs and/or toplessness
was nothing anybody made a fuss about. One pool, on Hayman Island
(a ritzy type resort) has a pool bar where such attire is OK (presumably
you sign for drinks or find some way of carrying your change around.)


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From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Survey, Info, Etc.
Keywords: survey, information
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:39:57 GMT

The responses to the survey have been great (sometimes overwhelming me but I
love seeing a full "mailbox").  As stated I will collect responses until
Thursday but I will not tally the results until possibly Monday (going home
for Easter).

I now have direction info on several beaches (mostly US West coast) for the
Nude Beach FAQ.  I would like to have some hot springs listed in this, too.
And I don't have directions for Little Beach, Hawaii, either.

Rob Henry suggested it is time for a topic change.  May I suggest a few:
  a) Favorite beach/spring/resort (all of the CO kind, of course :-)
  b) First CO experience (to help the newbies)
  c) Informing friends/family about being a nudist/naturist.

I will start [c] about Easter (I hope to have some more of the story to tell
after talking to my parents) and then I'll try not to bore you with a stab
at [b].

I'll close this now.  I'm tired.
Yours, naturally,
  Steve
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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Stanford swim team t-shirts
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:25:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.060523.18395@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>Anyhow, when the camera zoomed in on their (all too frequent)
>victory celebrations, I noticed that the backs of their
>t-shirts had a graphic of a classical nude reclining
>with the slogan reading "Suit on head" or something
>close.
>
>Does this imply that they train with their suits on
>their heads? Or that their head caps feel like swimsuits?
>Or what?

The UBC swim team a few years back all had t-shirts that read "swim naked"
(though, they probably never did---it was just a take-off on the "party
naked" shirts that were common at the time).
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Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: post@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Post)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:46:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Ozone hole farce? (was Re: Ozone problem burns Politically Correct)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.nude

In rec.nude, jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes) writes:

 >To summarize the articles I've seen this year:
 >
 >1.  Ozone levels over Antarctica have been systematically

Major agreement from most everybody.
[...]
 >2.  Ozone depletion is getting worse, faster, than was widely

Major agreement from most everybody.

 >    predicted.  CFCs and other man-made gases are *definitely*
 >    a major cause.  The scientific community is now nearly
 >    unanimous in its alarm, and in its call to immediate action.
[...]

I have a little trouble with this, though.  Has NASA or anyone else EVER
found any evidence that CFCs are the source for the chlorine in the chlorine
monoxide?  As far as I know there has never been a reasonable explanation
for the *lack of fluorine in any form* in the midst of all that chlorine
monoxide.   It can't just disappear.  And it hasn't been measured.  So why
pick on CFCs when there are so many sources of chlorine?

The danger of not having a good answer is that we will switch to something
else which turns out to be *much worse* in 20, 30 or 40 or more years.

Then, maybe you'll sunburn your *mutated* bare buns!

 > 7. The governments of the world are showing a surprising ability
 >    to recognize seriously bad global news, and react to it.
 >
 >I've seen the NASA Antarctic data.  It's scary.

So who can account for the missing fluorine?

I'm not trying to be flip.  I think it is an important question which has
NOT been answered, yet.  In fact, I think it is so fundamental, that it must
be being ignored by those involved in the investigation.

This question was IGNORED in sci.environment and I bet it will be ignored
here, too.  I'd love to be educated   :-)  Maybe I will repost the question
over there.

David Post  davep@hpfcpp.fc.hp.com  hplabs!hpfcla!post
From: gkn@ucsd.edu (Gerard K. Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Swimsuits
Date: 14 Apr 1992 16:20:34 -0700
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Keywords: suits, tan lines

In article <1992Apr14.215325.9273@vcd.hp.com> neff@vcd.hp.com (Dave Neff) writes:
>O.K., why post about swimsuits on rec.nude?  Well, one can't always
>visit C.O. beaches so I was wondering if anybody knows of a source for
>swimsuits that let some of the sun through so one can still prevent (reduce?)
>tan lines even when visitting less progressive beaches :-).
>
>Has anybody tried such a swimsuit and found out if they work well or not?

I have a suit made by a company called Solar, which seems to work pretty
well;  it advertises that it's the same as wearing a level 8 sunscreen
with the admonishment to move the seams once in a while.

I've only seen them two places (but, I havn't shopped for a suit much,
since the ones I have worked well enough) -- in St. Jean on St. Barthelemy
in the French West Indies, and at a store on Lahaina on Maui.  I am
sure they are available other places.

Cheers,


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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:18:30 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Beaches FAQ
Reply-To: blarson@usc.edu
From: blarson@blars.UUCP

In article <1992Apr9.171553.1317@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce) writes:
>  If people will send the directions for the above mentioned beaches, I make
>a FAQ file to post (I have the Sandy Hook directions from the earlier post
>and of course I know where Playalinda is :-).

I recomend also adding Deep Creek Hot Springs.  If nobody else supplies
directions I can dig them out.  (I wonder why it hasn't been discussed
much this year.  Events have conspired against my going recently.)

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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: First time CO beach
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:24:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.231428.13415@vcd.hp.com> neff@vcd.hp.com (Dave Neff) writes:
>After coming back from a trip where I visitted Bonny Dune beach a
>couple of times my wife commented on my tan and noticed the lack of
>tan lines.  So I explained I had been to a nude beach.  First, my
>wife didn't even believe me, then when it sunk in she really
>"wigged out".  She wanted me to promise to never do it again.
>She said she couldn't feel close to me or that I really cared about
>our relationship if I could do such a thing against her will.
>So I reluctantly promised to be a "good boy".

Sounds kind of like the reaction I got from an ex-girlfriend after I had
visited Wreck Beach one day (not my first visit, but possibly the first
she knew of).  She was convinced that if I was there (and was nude) that
the only explanation was that I was *obviously* trying to pick up other
women.  She wanted me to promise not to go back.  I refused, and she
promptly broke up.  

She then tried to justify herself to her mother, her coworkers, and her
friends.  When they found out her reason they unanimously replied
"So what!" and all thought she was being silly.  After two days of
failing to get anyone to agree with her, she relented and we got back
together.  She decided it was okay for me, but she was *never* going
to go with me.  (I never tried to alter her decision.)

This girl wasn't a prude by any means, but she very much believed the
nudity->sex relationship.

My wife, OTOH, was really shocked when she first found out I had been
at Wreck (a couple of weeks after we started dating, I think) but a
week or two later *she* suggested that we should both go to Wreck.

Cheers.  Bill.


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Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:51:05 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <s37ueINN1lp@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>In article <52746@mimsy.umd.edu> jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski) writes:
>-bodies, and worse, some responsibility to maintain it.  This
>-certainly doesn't require breast implants and face lifts, but IMO it
>-does include avoiding excesses such as overeating, or eating the wrong
>-types of food, personal hygene such bathing regularly, some modicum
>-of physical fitness, etc.
>
>Overeating is NATURAL for me and there are NO "wrong" foods.
---	
	Certainly overeating is more natural in America than in other 
countries.  Europeans that visit america are constantly amazed at our
portion sizes in restaurants.


>My purpose in being a naturist is so my body can enjoy nature in its
>natural (unclothed) state.  If that distresses you I do not apologize
>because I am not there for you.  My health is my business.
---
	However, whether or not your physical appearance is attractive is
other people's business.  Jerry was relating in his perceptions of beauty
with what might actually be healthy.  There is a darwininian selection
going on here.  Someone who was anorexic or grossly obese would have
had a lower survival chance at one point in time.  Over the millenia, 
this correlation may have been become more inborn as a sense of
what many find beautiful or not.

>In case you haven't guessed I found your posting a bit offensive.  It
>seemed to me that you are too judgemental.
---
	We are talking perceptions of beauty, here Tom; not people's worth
as individuals.  People have perceptions of beauty -- many people find
the male peacock more beautiful than the female peacock (the male having
the bright tail plumage).  Does this make the female peacock less
useful?  I don't think it is 'too' judgemental for humans to have an
opinion as to what they find beautful in others.  Discrimination of
beauty is something that is going to exist in most people.  I don't
think that is wrong.  Relating it to a person's value or usefulness
may be.

-wat-
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From: mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph Mack)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:32:14 GMT
Reply-To: mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph Mack)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Is this what you mean by letting oneself go:

1) I like my job and it pays the mortgage
2) I like to eat - big breakfast and two dinners
3) I like to bask in the sun
4) I like to walk and swim because they feel good, can do both
   for hours without much discomfort, even if I've been inactive 
   for months - not unusual - but don't do either very fast.
5) The only time I have ever done any exercise was because it
   was a means to an end (mowing the lawn, fixing something, 
   moving) or because somebody forced me to (school gym, 
   yecccch!). 
6) I can't get too excited about objectives beyond the next 12 
   months; they assume you know something about the future.
7) I am accustomed to doing what I like.
8) I'm 32, and weigh 280.

I seldom meet anyone that this attitude seems to particularly
bother, and I'm enjoying myself. Deliberate exercise and diet control "for my health" carries an element of asceticism about it, and I can't see that there is any virtue in self-denial.
  
My Dad spent his whole life worrying about everything and working 
hard for the future. He died of cancer at 60 still working hard 
for the future. I don't see that the future promises much that 
isn't just as good in the present. The best thing I can set aside
for the future are memories.

Most people suffer at least one catastrophe in life; no matter 
how well you've planned, most of the serious catastrophes take 
everything you've got and you start over. Memories you get to 
keep because nobody's figured out how make you liquidate them 
to pay your bills. <g> 

Everybody gets senile if they don't die first. The sooner you
experience life, the likelier you will be able to remember it
when you are senile.

While the last two paragraphs may sound bitter and gloomy, I don't feel that way about it. It's just life, that's all. You 
take it as it happens. Very good things happen to most everybody; 
very bad things happen to most everybody; most things are 
somewhere in the middle. Either the bad stuff kills you or it 
doesn't. If you're dead, it isn't your problem, so don't worry 
about it. Otherwise, life is relentless. You still wake up the 
next morning and discover you're breathing and hungry and have
to pee. What you do beyond that is up to you. 

No, about the only thing which worries me about my health is 
keeping out of the clutches of people who would direct my life 
"for my own good", the only dangerous people in western society. 
Fortunately, there are still uncivilized places in the world I
can get to if I start having major health problems.  I wouldn't mind dying in pain in a tent alone as long as I'm there by 
choice.

I do feel bad about what happened to Dad, though. The only real 
tragedy in life is to have missed it.

Ralph
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From: neff@vcd.hp.com (Dave Neff)
Subject: Swimsuits
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:53:25 GMT

O.K., why post about swimsuits on rec.nude?  Well, one can't always
visit C.O. beaches so I was wondering if anybody knows of a source for
swimsuits that let some of the sun through so one can still prevent (reduce?)
tan lines even when visitting less progressive beaches :-).

Has anybody tried such a swimsuit and found out if they work well or not?

Dave Neff
neff@hp-vcd.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Re: Nudity in the Mainstream
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:39:16 GMT

In article <703143056.0@kcufgat.fidonet.org> Rick.Lewis@f25.n280.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Lewis) writes:
>Two recent and favorable examples of mainstream publications
>accepting advertising with references to nude/naturist opportunities.
>
>I view this as a good trend--when a mainline publication offers space 
>in a matter of fact way to The Naturisit Society. This along with 
>sanctioned or "managed" nude areas at public beaches and parks 
>bespeaks growing awareness that nude recreation is an acceptable
>form of leisure activity and one with an economic impact.  

I first heard of Lee Baxandall's World Guide via an advertisement by TNS
in Outdoor Photography about 7 years ago.  By the time I got around to
ordering it a few years later, though, it was out of print.  (Of course,
it is now back in print and I have my copy.)  That ad consisted of the
cover of the book plus some text.

I agree. I think this is a really good way to promote acceptance.  But
I think the problem is NOT with the mainstream publications who would
probably accept TNS advertising dollars without much debate, but is
instead with TNS and other nudist organizations not having enough
money to spend on such advertising.  
		     
Bill.
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From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Public Pools
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:08:31 GMT
Organization: VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland, Oulu

In article <1992Apr11.024217.9810@etl.go.jp> andreas@etl.go.jp (Andreas Knobel) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.084649.20682@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.180527.21072@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> PATZNER@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Achim Patzner) writes:
>>>Just one question: Are other people really wearing
>>>CLOTHES in saunas? Towels maybe, but anything else?

>>YES!  In the US, some hotels have saunas with their pools and people are
>>expected to wear bathing suits in the sauna.  I normally take my suit
>>off in the sauna, but throw a towel over my genitals on the rare
>>occasion that someone comes in.  
                                ^[in the US, not in Finland]

>Ah, somebody writing from Finland! ...

>In Scandinavia nobody wears a towel. 

True.  

>Towels are for sitting on, as the
>benches tend to get rather hot. Here in Japan nobody wears a towel,
>either. You leave the big towel outside with your clothes, and use
>the small towel for wiping the sweat from your forhead.

>Andreas Knobel                      e-mail andreas@etlcom.etl.go.jp
>ETL, Tsukuba, Japan.

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From: deke@ee.rochester.edu (Dikran Kassabian)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Ugly fat people
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:47:53 GMT
Reply-To: Dikran Kassabian <deke@ee.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering

I wanted to latch onto a different piece of this thread.

In article <2711@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>	For what it's worth, I've never once seen a nude person that
>I felt was "ugly" or even "unattractive".  I've seen plenty of people
>swathed in yards of nylon or polyester that I thought looked funny, though.

I agree with both sentences.  In fact, my impression at a clothes-optional
beach is often along the lines of "they all appear comfortable and at their 
best."

Sometimes people with less than perfect bodies, me included, can end up
emphasizing this fact with clothing or swim suits.  Sometimes they can 
successfully downplay it.  But without clothing, they somehow all look
perfectly fine to me, whether very thin, very overweight, surgically
scarred, whatever.  Its as though they have established an improved harmony
with their surroundings.  This seems especially meaningful to me at the
beach becuase its one of the places where I feel most in-tune with nature
and the world around me.

For whatever the semantics are worth, when I'm on a crowded street or even
a crowded textile beach, the word "people" comes to mind.  At a clothes
optional beach, I somehow think of the word "humans."

Just one guys ramblin' thoughts,

      ^Deke Kassabian,   deke@ee.rochester.edu   or   ur-valhalla!deke
   Univ of Rochester, Dept of EE, Rochester, NY 14627     (+1 716-275-3106)
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From: theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Theriault)
Subject: Re: Nudity in the Mainstream
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division, Vancouver, CANADA
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:02:24 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
X-Phone: +1 604 241 6421

Bill Arnett writes...
>A new magazine being published in Whistler, BC (a ski area about an hour
>north of Vancouver) published their first (?) issue featuring a cover
>picture of a "full-frontal", male, nude skier.
>
>In the spirit of sound journalism the report failed to mention the nature
>of the magazine.  (I'm not even sure if they mentioned its name.)

The radio news report I heard said it was a skiers magazine, called
the Whistler Answer (the local paper is, I believe, called the Question)

>I'll have to try and track down a copy.  Or at least an address.  If anyone
>else in BC has any references for this (newspaper article or whatever) i'd
>appreciate hearing from you.

Apparently the editor or publisher was quoted as saying he couldn't
understand the uproar about a penis - he possessed one for 39 years,
and didn't find his offensive?! :-)

(BTW, in my dentist's office, on the wall, is a poster-sized photo of
several people windsurfing at Whistler - all nude, including the dog
hitching a ride on one board. Whistler is a west coast type of
place... Actually, a dock on the lake there is unofficially CO -
apparently everyone goes out on the end of this dock to get an
overall tan in the summertime. *I* haven't seen any nude skiers - YET.
Though my ski club typically does a nude waterskiing stunt each summer
during our big camping weekend at Kalamalka Lake in the Okanagan.)

It is decent weather for nude skiing - can get awful hot! Just don't
fall :-(

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From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sorry about the old .sig and double posts
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:09:34 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.nude, rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino) writes:

>QUESTION:  On many groups, I see the abbreviation Ob[xxx] (e.g. ObNude,
>ObBeer....) to introduce an on-topic statement following an off-topic
>statement.  I get the *idea* from context, but what exactly does the "Ob"
>represent?

Obligatory, as in "It's common courtesy to post material that has something 
to do with the focus of the group."

ObNude: It was 80 degrees here yesterday, and I had to stay inside.
Ahhhrrrrggggg!

Tim Smith
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