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From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley singles (was: Re: Harley riders waved !!!)
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:57:07 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1992Jul24.031114.1196@morrow.stanford.edu>, karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
|> In article <25201@sophia.inria.fr> weigl@sibelius.inria.fr
|> (Konrad Weigl) writes:

|> >There was never a horizontal single italian type harley:

|> Konrad, your ignorance astounds us.
|> 
|> Harley-Davidson once owned an interest in Aermacchi's
|> motorcycle business.  In addition to the neato
|> two-stroke roadracers, Aermacchi made four-stroke
|> singles with horizontal cylinders in 250cc and 350cc
|> sizes.  Many of these were sold by Harley dealers
|> with the words "Harley-Davidson" proudly painted
	           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> on their gas tanks and cast into their engine cases.

Oh!!!
Italian bikes posing as Harley-Davidsons....

I always thought our brethren from the Far East were the pro's in that field...

With the class of _cruisers_, the term for which, BTW, is
_Soft-Choppers_ in Germany...

None the less, the big advantage of these _Harleys_ were that they
were certainly _METRIC_, as any modern bike would be...
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)


Anyway, I stand corrected and am thankful for the correction
(Think of all the trusting people I might have misled...)


There existed four-stroke Harleys made in Europe...

Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Catalogs, &c.
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:35:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul22.204203.1816@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> scott@sgisupport.lerc.nasa.gov (SGI_Junkie) writes:
>In article <BONG-220792091119@kinetics.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
>> Ask Ken what it's like to hit a bear at 40mph with a BMW R100RS.
>>Pelvis broken in 4 places, broken hip, broken wrist, pulverized spleen.
>>He'll be looking for a new bike in about two months.

>   So what happened to the bear?

I thought he *was* talking about the bear!

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From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Nicest Interstate
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:07:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

Any comment on I64 between St. Louis and Norfolk VA?

I've been told that the Kentucky part is quite scenic.  
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From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Rant, etc
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:22:41 GMT

In article <21754@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey Oster) writes:
|What do you all consider the minimum reasonable displacement for highway
|riding?

  It's not the displacement, its the power...  Let me see - 120+bhp?  Yes, I
consider 120 bhp about minimum for the highway (for the city, for the
backroads, etc... :-).

  Well, if I must be serious - at least 500 to 600cc for highway.  My personal
minimum is met by the horsepower outputs of present-day 600's.  The 500's I've
ridden/owned (GS550E, EX500's, etc.) are almost powerful enough, but a bit
buzzy.  I wouldn't consider it myself on anything under 500cc's.

Randy Davis				UUCP: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot		 	      ucsd!megatek!randy
DoD #00013
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Chopper Chicks in Zombietown
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:00:09 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Mid Island Ham Network

dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:

> "Chopper Chicks in Zombietown 
> Cinemax - Wednesday Night, 22 July 92
> 
> (1990) Jamie Rose, Don Calfa.  An insane funeral director's experiments in
> re-animation are thwarted by a nomadic band of motorcycle mamas. (95 min.)"
> 
> The above appeared in my Sunday paper's teevee section.  I don't get cable.
> Has anybody seen this movie?  Is it worth bothering a friend to tape?
> ============================================================================
>  "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle." - Winston Churchill
>     The Nashville Flash	  -   dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu   -   DoD # 412 
> 
> 
> 


No, it's not worth the tape. It is kinda funny, in an insane kinda way. 
The plot's insipid, (It sounds like it's out of Easyrider - does that 
help?), it's a bit gory ( heads and other bits get knocked off 
regularly), and all the "bikers" ride Hardly Dangerouses. It comes second 
for world's worst movie after "Killer Tomatoes" . Even the '60's outlaw 
flicks were better done.


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
From: ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christine Hogan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ride to work day
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:24:11 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

hi
i was awakened at 5:30 this morning by the sound of straight pipes at
red line screaming up my street. Someone was being a little too
exuberant.

Strang thing: I saw no other bikes on the way to work this morning.



|Chris Hogan                    |         1127                 |     
|ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu           | Soft as the massacre of Suns |
|Toy Monger's Woman             | By Evening's Sabres slain    |        
          
|CB-1                           |             emily dickinson  |
From: naik@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Raghunandan Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: rec.motorcycles.harley
Keywords: don't break up guys ! STAY AS ONE !!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:48:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.




	HI ALL !!!!!!!!!

I have been following the attempts to form a new group " rec.motorcycles.harley"on the net and I have a few things to say about it.  

	1) As motocycilst's ( regardless of the make model ) all of us 
	   know that in America we are cnsidered to be a minority.  In 
	   other words, the ratio between "cagers" and motorcyclists is 
	   at least about 1000 : 1.  

	2) We have been (for a long time now) trying to make the rest of 
	   America "aware" of our presence. 

	3) We cannot afford to break up into even smaller groups.  Today 
	   someone wants to start a Harley group, tommorow someone else 
	   is going to want to start a Suzuki or a Honda or a japanese
	   motorcycle group.  If we break up into smaller groups, we will
	   no longer be able to work towards gaining recognition of 
	   " THE MOTORCYCLIST"  .
	
	4) All I'm asking for is that the people who want to start their 
	   own groups, should wait just a little longer. They must wait 
	   untilthe population of motorcyclists grows to a substantial
	   number. 

	5) I personally have nothing for or against forming a new group
	   for Harley's but I have one message to convey to anyone trying
	   to start rec.motorcycles.harleyIf and when you do start a new
	   group, be ready to accept the fact that you yourself have decided
	   to be different from others and if others treat and consider you to
	   be outsiders and different you are responsible not them !!!!   



	 thanks for hearing me out 
	
	 raghu.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Reasonable highway displacment
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:42:06 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Well, if y'all are talking about MOTORCYCLES, the minimum
displacement for a street bike would be 883cc, right?  There
are some 750cc motorcycles, but those are just for dirt track
racing...

Just kidding.  While 250 Ninjas and 125 Aprilias can
undoubtedly handle highway driving without blowing up, I'd say
any bike under 1000cc is better suited to windy backroads
than real American highways.  I'd hate to go a long, straight
way on any bike that couldn't hit 150mph easily...  :-)

---
chris
From: ssuhouns@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Paul Marshall Hounslow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: -- TEST --
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:30:42 GMT
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:30:50 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: -- TEST --

ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
 
>Can anyone see this test-message ..

>Please

>CIao
>Andrea TONI     ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET        ENV   ENV   ENV
>-------------------------------------------:-----:-----:----------------
>.. Bellezza e' semplicita' e modestia ..  VCO-->VCF-->VCA-->DUCATI 900SS
>-------------------------------------------:-----:-----:----------------
>                                          LFO   LFO   LFO

Yes.

I would have mailed, but no address.



Paul

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Packet: G4YFY@GB7BEQ                 I have no employer (I retired ;-).
EMail:  ssuhouns@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk  1985 K100RT                 DoD #0573
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Katana oil filter -- how special is the tool?
Keywords: oil filter, katana, special tool
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:33:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <21JUL199223343335@erich.triumf.ca> ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
>
>	I picked up an oil filter for the 600 yesterday, with an eye to trying
>out some Mobil 1 if I can find it.  However, the filter is a spin-on type and
>needs a special tool to screw it on.  It seems the tool is a 14-sided socket,
>about 65 mm across flats.  Is this an auto-standard that I might pick up in a
>hot-rod shop, or is it a Suzuki orphan so I have to go cap-in-hand to my
>dealer and beg to buy one?
>

Eeeek!  Oil filters should only be put on hand tight.  You don't need ANY
tools to *install* one, but you might need an oil filter wrench to *remove* 
one if you aren't real strong.  Check your manual for proper torque on the oil
filter.  It's probably only a couple of Newton-meters, if that.  Don't 
strip your threads!  :)


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: !!! SUMMER RIDING SUIT RAFFLE !!!
Keywords: tell me it ain't so!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:06:54 GMT

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.231639.27861@infonode.ingr.com> jackr@thorodin.dazixco.ingr.com writes:
>>Announcing the...
>>
>>           !!! SUMMER RIDING SUIT YOU LOVE TO HATE RAFFLE !!!

>Blaine, are you _really_ responsible for this?  I gotta know.

Well, I did propose the raffle idea. But that was only after the door
prize idea was rejected (that one is still my personal favorite). But
holding me responsible for the application of the idea makes no more
sense than holding motorcycle manufacturers responsible for dead squids
or congress for the national debt. (Uh, nevermind that last one. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Minimalistic biking-reply
Date: 31 Jul 1992 20:07:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

Right now, I'd go for:

BIG (gauges!):  Tach, Speedo
LITTLE (gauges!):  Oil Pressure, Fuel, H2O Temp
LITTLE (mechanical):  Odometer, Trip Odo 1, Trip Odo 2.
IDIOT LIGHTS:  Neutral, High Beam, Radar (wired to detector under
  fairing), Alarm Status, a couple spares for customization (incoming
  call on the cellular, etc.)
LCD PANEL (Backlit, at an angle that offers good viewing from normal
  riding position:  The default display is primarily a Clock, with
  little symbols in the periphery that indicate the Date, Current Gear,
  Temperature (sensor out of way of engine), Altitude, maybe a few more
  (this is essentially the complexity of my wristwatch, though with
  some different functionality).

Getting a little more exotic:

A simple controller for the LCD screen, like a good FORTH engine.
Under the seat, or in an access panel in the fairing, is a rugged
HP-style keypad for programming the user modes of the LCD display.  One
a calculator, another an "electronic rolodex," at least one a
bit-mapped graphics display, a couple general-purpose user modes.

In the near future:

A miniturized GPS receiver, and digital maps of the US (available in
ROM, by region).  One of the modes of the LCD controller would take
position from GPS, and plot the map around it.  If you want to pull
over and enter your destination, it will be displayed as well.


Yeah, I know, I've been to too many Steven Roberts lectures!  Hey, the
technology is available, why not use it?  As long as none of the
instrumentation has a catastrophic failure mode, reliability is not a
major problem.

I guess this puts me on the gadget side of the argument...

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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Re: Parental riding permission (was Re: new meaning for DoD...)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:31:21 GMT

In article <9900942@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>
> (heart-touching story of Ma and Pa Deeney and the coming-of-age of 
> a teeny weenie deeney deleted)
>Before DoD 0498.1 and 0498.2 are allowed to ride motorcycles on the street,
>they will have to prove themselves with a minimum five years  dirt
>riding.  Brake and power slides, wheelies, and double jumps will be a
>mandatory part of the driving exam :-)
>

Gosh, I hope you don't live in an urban area...    

"Hell, Dad, we can't find a piece of dirt bigger than our bikes 
anywhere in this *county* !!!  We hate you and we're gonna run up big
therapy bills in your honor!"

:-) :-) :-)


-- 
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net," | DoD #1966	
	Matthew 13:47                              | 81 Honda CB400T Hawk
From: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FJ vs. ZX engine mods
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:03:13 GMT
Reply-To: cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com

In article <1992Jul23.171356.5964@megatek.uucp> randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy  
Davis) writes:
> In article <5072@transfer.stratus.com> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com writes:
> |However, given the FJ's list price is about 2k less than the ZX, for the  
same  
> |cash outlay, the FJ will suck the headlights out of the ZX.
> 
>   Not likely...  :-)  I've ridden with an FJ with over $2500 worth of mods -
> it *was* one of the fastest bikes in the area, but a ZX-11 with less than  
$200
> of mods toasted *him*...  (Even in roll-on :-).
> 

Perhaps the $2500 was not spent as wisely as the $200. I assume you are
referring to your sproket changes, but what was different with the FJ?
Did it have the 1400 big bore kit ?  Did it have a similar gearing 
reduction ?

>   However, to make it more equal in the initial investment department, how
> about putting a ZX vs an *ABS* FJ12?  That bumps the initial investment on
> the FJ1200 up quite a bit (of course, it also slows down the FJ1200 :-).
>
Damn right it slows down the FJ, isn't that what ABS is for :-) ? ? ?

Sure, lets use an ABS FJ for comparison. Let's make our first test a panic stop
on a wet road.  What, no takers ? 

	Seriously, each bike has it's own distict area of excellence. With the
ZX you are geting state of the art horsepower and handling. With the FJ
you are getting years of refinement, superior rider and passenger comfort
and now ABS as well. Oh, and let's not forget the sledgehammer roll-on.
	
	Each bike can be made to go even faster with more $$$.
The only question left is, if your're really that serious about speed, why
not start with a pure sport bike? There was a great article in Motorcyclist 
last year featuring some sickly-modified GSXR's and I believe a CBR. 
One of them topped 180. Now that's excitement :-) !

Oh yeah, 3rd gear is the "money" gear for me. Excellent for teaching
silly kids in Mustangs and IROC's about power/weight.

Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
DOD# 810
1992 FJ1200A
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: delilah@next10epsl.wam.umd.edu (Mere words can't convey the real me)
Subject: Re: Cages suck (women cagers)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:15:35 GMT

> i doubt all of my good fortune can be attributed to being female,
> and alone for every pullover.  but who's to say what did it?
  ^^^^^^^^^
hm... let me get away from the gender issue for just a second...
on a purely anecdotal basis, i'd like to say that EVERY ticket i've  
gotten, i've been alone at the time (mostly in cages, two on the proper  
number of wheels). i HAVE been pulled over occasionally with passengers,  
but without exception was let go; is there something to this? can we avoid  
tickets by simpler carrying passengers? i'd like to hear other's  
experiences with this factor...

-D-
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Help! Elec prob w/Shadow
Keywords: Frog, Deep-Fried, In, Pastry, Yum!
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:00:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Jul29.180017.8838
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <l7cuerINN25q@cronkite> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:
>In article <7719@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu \
>(Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)) writes:
>%  
>%  HELP! My 87 Honda 700 Shadow died; some sort of electrical problem.
>%  
>%  I've described the symptoms to two service managers at different
>%  shops, and the instant I mentioned the wildly swinging tach needle,
>%  they said "sparkbox" (meaning the CDI spark unit). 
>%
>
...
>   Pull your tank off  (and any pieces of  plastic which come off  easily)
>   and have a really good look for chafed or pinched cables.
>
>   Your battery itself could  have been the cause  of the problem.   Check
>   out the  connections  and  your  "new"  battery  again.    The  current
>   non-starting problem sounds like a red herring.

For that matter, check for a loose battery ground cable.  If it was
loose enough to give you fits, then changing the battery could have
wiggled it enough to push it over the edge.  A high resistance connection
can cost you several volts at starting current.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Braking Secrets of the Pros Revealed
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:24:13 GMT

john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

>Wednesday July 29 1992 00:22, Manish Vij wrote to All:

> MV> MSF teaches that you get maximum braking _without_ locking either wheel,
> MV> because the coefficient of sliding friction (tire against slab) is much
> MV> lower than the coefficient of sliding friction for brake pad against
> MV> rotor.

>They also tell you that only years of successful racing teaches someone to
>perform full modulation braking. The CHP solution is for normal mortals.

Cool! I didn't know that I had years of successful racing in my
background! I must, because I perform full modulation braking. That is
to say that in a maximum braking situation, I apply (not grab!) all of
the brake pressure that the front will handle, coupled with enough to
hear the rear tire begin to sing. The rear is not sliding, the front
is not sliding, and I stop *FAST*. If you want another opinion, ask
Beth! 

As a side note, taking the backroads to the Joust, I was doing this on
a more regular basis than usual, due to the streams that crossed the
road, =8{O with the Concours loaded to the gills and Beth on the back.
I come home, stripped her down to street fighting weight, and solo,
found myself in one of those maximum braking situations. Being
practiced with a bit more rear wheel traction, I promptly locked the
rear wheel. Again =8{O It took a little while to get re-tuned, but not
too long.

>For an average rider, who isn't trained by years of racing, the fastest
>stop is most likely a full locked rear tire (held locked until the moto
>comes to a complete stop) and as much front brake as can be grabbed.

So, John, what do you do? Personally, I've been in the situation of
braking hard and having a person whom I was riding with slide past me
with the rear wheel locked. It really impresses the cop sitting at the
intersection.

Most of us here on rec.motorcycles are not "average". But then, I
think that there are a lot of squids and wannabes that dilute the
average. I'd like to talk to some of the CHP types about this
"recommendation" I doubt that they like to have that big liter+
machine that they ride wagging it's tail to a stop.


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