From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Subject: Stoxos n diatnrncn tns cwctns grafns twv ellnvikwv
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.005910.12577@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
>To internet einai edw gia na boh8hsoume na epikinonoume. Me to na xrhsimopoieis
>xarakthres pou den 8hmizoun thpota ston ellhniko dhskolebeis authn thn
>epikinonia. To mono epixhrima pou mou prwthnes einai oti meta apo pende xronia
>8a exw problhmata. (ase pou ta eixa prin er8w edw :-) Alla egw otan diabazw
>le3eis me allous xarakthres idiws auto to "c" gia shgma xanw thn sungendrwsh mou
>kai prwspa8w na 8hmi8w ta kolpa sou. An grafoume mia fora ka8e pende xronia
>sta Ellhnika twtes otidipote sta Ellhnika 8a mas boh8isei and na mas
>dimiougisei problhma. Otan hmoun kainourgios mou fenotan kinezika. Prin 
>pende lepta to ed3a se ena filo mou kai eixe problhma me tous
>agglikous xarakthres sou alla oxi me ta dika mou. (ektos "h" hia hta)
>Oso gia ena komputer na ta metafrazei to 8 kai 3 8a pernoun tous kanonikous
>tous orous giati gramma meta3i ari8mou einai spanio olloi oi alloi
>den einai problhma. Oso gia to teliko shgma. poli aplo kai auto gia
>ena programma. Olla ta "s" sto telos einai telika. Pou allou exoume 
>problhma ; Pragmatika pia ellhinika einai pio eukola na diabazeis;

Agapnte Gewrgie:

Mia pou dev katalabes akoma ti eixa pei, epavalambavw. Egw proteivw va
xrncimopoinqei eva KOINO cuctnma grafns twv ellnvikwv me lativikous
xaraktnres. Dev epimevw acuzntntoi c' auto pou proteivw. Aplws, auto pou
proteivw exei merikes polu cnmavtikes idiotntes, p.x., movocnmavtn
avtictoixia ellnvikwv grammatwv me lativikwv, dev periexei ariqmouos
n` cumbola ctijns, xrncimopoiei eva movo gramma gia kaqe eva ellnviko
(p.x. {\Theta}=Q kai oxi "Th", {\Psi}=Y kai oxi "Ps"), klp.

Dev proteivw to cugkekrimevo gia va kavw tn zwn mas duckoln alla giati picteuw
akradavta oti eva KOINO cuctnma grafns qa ofelicei olous mas, alla kai tnv
diatnricn tns cwctns grafns twv ellnvikwv, kai tnv duvatotnta va kavoume kai
tnv glwcca mas avoixtn ctous jevous filellnves oi opoioi mporei va epiqumouv
va diabacouv n` va grayouv ellnvika. To va maqei kaveis va douleuei eva
cuctnma eivai paveukolo kai eivai qema cuvnqeias va to xrncimopoiei aveta.
To pws qa apofacictei eva kapoio cuctnma auto eivai allo qema. P.x.
mporoume va proteivoume oloi apo eva to opoio qa exei tis parapavw
idiotntes pou avefera, kai va ynfictei apo pollous, n` va to afncoume to
qema ce merikous (5-10) oi opoioi afou to ereuvncouv va katalnjouv
c' eva kai teleiwcame. Ta pragmata eivai apla av uparxei wrimotnta
kai katalabouv oloi oti o tropos grafns efocov eivai cwctos kai koivos
dev eivai to cnmavtiko qema, alla n cwctn diakivncn twv idewv me
cwctn ellnvikn grafn. Dev diavoeitai ellnvikn graptn glwcca me lavqacmevn
orqografia. Ta exw javapei. Paromoia cnmavtiko eivai kai to qema tns
cwctns ellnvikns orologias c' oles tis epictnmes me cwctous ellnvikous
orous kai oxi agglikes/gallikes tcovtes. Oi Galloi p.x. cebovta
tnv glwcca tous kai av deis to soc.culture.french qa deis pws grafouv
cwcta alla kai gevika cta gallika cxedov oloii oi oroi twv upologictwv
exouv metafractei cuctnmatika. Eivai qema autocebacmou kai cebacmo ctn
glwcca cou.

Twra av qes va cou upoctnrijw to diko mou cuctnma grafns, euxarictws.
A a: teleio
B b: teleio
G g: teleio
D d: teleio
E e: teleio
Z z: teleio
H n: teleio
Q q: to kefalaio moiazei polu, to mikro av to favtacteis avtectramevo
I i: teleio
K k: teleio
L l: teleio
M m: kefalaio teleio, mikro n movadikn lucn kai polu kalo
N v: kefalaio teleio, to mikro moiazei akribws -> teleio
J j: kai ta duo moiazouv para polu
O o: teleio
P p: ductnxws av kai de moiazei me {\pi} qa prepei va diabactei cav tetoio
R r: ductnxws av kai de moiazei me {\rho} qa prepei va diabactei cav tetoio
S c/s: kefalaio polu kalo, "c" moiazei para polu cav {\sigma} av to favtacteis
       va kleivei to katw akro tou cav kouloura, "s" teleio teliko {\sigma}
T t: teleio
U u: kefalaio etci ki etci, mikro teleio
F f: polu kala kai n movadikn lucn
X x: teleio
Y y: kefalaio mporeis va to favtacteis cav kefalaio {\psi} xwris to mecaio
     akro, to mikro moiazei cxedo teleia me to kalligrafiko {\psi}
W w: megalo polu kalo, mikro teleio

To parapavw to exw douleyei pavw apo 2 xrovia kai dev mporeca va to beltiwcw
parapavw kratovtas tis idiotntes pou avefera parapavw. Epeidn dev periexei
ariqmous kai cumbola ctijns mporw kai grafw oco grngora grafw kai ct' agglika.
Av kaveis exei va proteivei kati kalutero as to kavei. Telos, ol' auta exouv
vonma av kaveis picteuei ctn cwctn grafn kai epikoivwvia tns ellnvikns. Oxi
movo va leme oti eimacte perifavoi gia tn glwcca mas alla kai va to deixvoume
emprakta ctous jevous. Eimai cigouros oti auto to newsgroup to parakolouqouv
xiliades jevoi xwris va grafouv. Kat' eme, o kaqe ellnvas qa eprepe va to
kavei auto giati zwvtas cto ejwteriko exw diapictwcei pws n alliwcn eivai
polln eukoln.

>	George

Serafeim.
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