HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel)
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Reply-To: lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:53:34 GMT

bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
|> 
|> Stopping performance of drums pretty much sucks eggs. Try going 80-100
|> after some freeway driving, and then try a *hard* stop with drums. You'll
|> find that they fade away about halfway through the stop. Drums will
|> get so hot that the brake fluid will reach the boiling point in the
|> slave cylinder, effectively reducing hydraulic pressure to nil. This is
|> not something you want to have happen in traffic. As far as long term
|> 
|> Disks are lighter, and because of their greater heat dissaption coupled
|> with inherently cooler slave cylinders, (or pistons and calipers, if
|> you will:) they can actually get hotter than drums, because the brake
|> fluid doesn't get hot.
|> 

I have done a number of brake jobs, and I have observed that there is less
metal for heat to conduct to the slave cylinder on drum brakes than there
is on disk brakes.  The metal backing of disk brakes directly contacts
the piston, where on drum brakes there is a 'T' (brake pad riveted to the
top of the 'T' and the bottom of the 'T' contacts the piston).  The 'T' is
the cross-section of the metal backing on the drum brake shoe.  My point
is that there is less metal in the heat conduction path to the piston.
So, how can the brake fluid boil faster in drum brakes than in disk brakes?

Regarding boiling brake fluid reducing hydraulic pressure to nil, I have
experienced brake fade in heavy braking.  I have never experienced boiling
brake fluid.  The feeling I got was not one of lost hydraulic pressure
(no loss of pedal), but a loss of braking.  This is caused by a loss of
friction due to hot pads, front rotors and rear drums.  Mostly front
rotors since the rear brakes don't do much of the braking.

My arguement here is that brake fade is due to hot components -
not boiling fluid.  Boiling fluid cannot cause brake fade.  It can cause
loss of brakes due to gas (ie not liquid) in the brake line.  This can
be observed by loss of pedal or a spongy pedal.  I hope this sets the
record straight so that someone else may be able to diagnose failed
brakes a little more accurately.

 - les

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Huntsville, AL			(205) 730-8537

There are three kinds of people in the world:
Those who can count, and those who can't.
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From: goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:40:44 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC

In article <1992Sep02.010828.24870@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
> ...
> 100 miles per gallon of regular unleaded gasoline.
>
> So where are these miraculous systems?  Are they installed in our
> automobiles, reducing our fuel consumption and air pollution output?
> Of course not.  You know as well as I do where they are:  In the
> vaults of the world's major oil companies.  That's right, build a
> better carburetor and Exxon will beat a path to your door.  I can't
> imagine how rich the developers of these super-effient systems must
> be, now that the oil corporations bought their ideas and stapled
> their mouths shut with platinum stapleguns.

Son, if you're trying to amuse us, you'll have to bit a bit more
comedic.  Seinfeld you ain't.

If, by any chance, you were actually serious about your posting, then
you are a demented loony conspiracy theorist along the lines of Bobby
Fischer or Lyndon LaRouche, and you should seek counselling soon.

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goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ARMOR ALL VS. STP
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >	Has anyone compared NO Touch to Tire Foam.  I think that the
  >Tire Foam works better, but does it have the same drying affect as
  >regular Armor All?

Any need to worry about drying effects on car tires?  I use armor all
on the tires of my car when I wash it (really brings out the glossy black,
which looks nice considering the car is black too!).  I would think drying
out would be the smallest problem for the tires, considering all the stuff
they come into contact on the road.

  >" Insurance in Brooklyn costs how much ?! "

less than Harris County (Houston), I'm sure!

- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: sayfi@terminus.gatech.edu (Mehdi Sayfi)
Subject: YOUR COMMENTS ON CAMERY & HONDA
Followup-To: sayfi@cc.gatech.edu 
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Tech
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:51:17 GMT


We are planning to buy a new 92 car and our choice is either
Honda Accord EX or Camery XLS V6 in the next month.

I would greatly appreciate your comments, advise and thoughts to
help us decide our purchase. I believe we can find good deal once
we decide what to buy. BTW we had an eye on LeBaron but friends
changed our mind to consider domestic car though Honda can be considerd
as a domestic car.

Thanx
================================================================
Mehdi Sayfi, College of Computing, Rm 137, 801 Atlantic Drive
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332-0280
Phone:(404)894-9150   Message:(404)894-3153   Fax: (404)853-9378
Internet: sayfi@cc.gatech.edu
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From: murphy@mprgate.mpr.ca (Gail Murphy)
Subject: Need Info: Import Cdn Car into US (Passive Restraints)
Reply-To: murphy@mprgate.mpr.ca
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:38:24 GMT

We are in the process of moving to the US and are finding out
that it may be difficult to import our '91 Acura Integra (Canadian model) 
into the States because it does not have passive restraints.

Does anyone have any information about the US Federal Laws for
importing cars?  Does anyone know if there are after-market gizmos
for turning regular seat belts into passive restraint compliant
seatbelts?

Please e-mail as I do not regularly read this group. I will summarize
if there is interest.

I apologize if this is the wrong place for this posting. Maybe someone
could direct me to the right group if it is.

Thanks in advance. Gail.

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From: arika@cserver.plexus.COM (Arik Anderson)
Subject: Olds Achieva info?
Keywords: Oldsmobile Achieva
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:50:15 GMT

My brother-in-law wants to buy a Oldsmobile Achieva SCX. Since
it is a new model, I was wondering if anyone had any opinions
about the car.

I read the Consumer Reports (June '92) evaluation of the car,
but they didn't evaluate the SCX. Any info would be helpful.
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From: hcs@adpgate.UUCP (Howard Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Why a Mercedes Benz 600SEL?
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:49:05 GMT
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR


check out the spec's for the 600 on performance, price per performance
vs. the 750il is ok, but total performance is GREAT.
From: europe@europe.corp.sgi.com (Patrick Renvoise)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1982 VW Conv. Rabbit
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:24:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


1982 VW Conv. Rabbit-$3500 Must see to appreciate!!!
Red/black top
5 speed
Air conditioning/heat
AM/FM cassette
143K miles (highway only)
Runs GREAT
Interior and exterior are flawless
Perfect dash, top, and body

Don't reply to this mail (posted for a friend)
Call 408-252-6573 home (San Jose, California)
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From: sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Infinite Wisdom of Mr. Iacocca
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: su
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 20:59:24 GMT


From Friday, Sept. 11, 1992's San Jose Mercury News:

Lee Iacocca in a farewell speech to dealers at Chrysler's new model
announcement show said: "I am absolutely convinced service is the thing
that will separate the winners from the losers in this business from
now on"

** My reaction: From now on?  Is this guy for real?  Heck, a five year old kid
** at a lemonade stand probably knows that! 

Iacocca told the dealers that he wanted to be remembered not for what he has
left behind, but for what he has had a hand in starting while at the automaker's
helm.

** Question to netters:  In your opinion, has Iacocca been good or bad for 
** Chrysler and the US auto industry?


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From: tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham)
Subject: Wideband test in Car&Driver (was Ka Wideband - too many false alarms)
Keywords: radar detectors wideband
Organization: Lehman Brothers, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:24:51 GMT

The current Car & Driver compares the new wideband models available from
Bel, Cincinatti Microwave (Escort), Cobra, Whistler, Valentine, and Uniden.
Anyone interested in purchasing the new dectectors should get this issue.

--
Timothy J. Bigham			| All opinions expressed above are my own
Lehman Brothers, Inc.			| and should not be construed as those of 
AMEX Tower, World Financial Center	| my employer.
New York, N.Y. 				| 
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From: eytan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Joseph Alpern)
Subject: Acura Integra
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:54:23 GMT

I am in the process of looking for a good used car.  I was thinking about
buying a 1987-1988 Acura Integra.  If any of you can give some input about
the Integra it would halp me a lot.  I was wondering if an integra with
60k-70k is still reliable.  Also, if anyone knows what would be a good 
price for an Integra and the best way to buy one cheap.

Thanks in advance,
			Ethan

eytan@leland.stanford.edu

Xref: sparky rec.autos:21619 rec.autos.tech:12358
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 17:57:57 EDT
From: Michael D. Crafts <IO20017@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,
Subject: Need Source for OPEL GT parts!!!

     I have recently purchased a 1972 Opel GT and
have no idea where to start looking to parts...
...they were imported by Buick, but the dealers
around here don't even want to give me the time
of day.
     Any places that deal in either Opel's, German
cars, or imported cars in general would be useful!

     Thank you for your time...

                                 Mike
********************************************************
***68 Corvair + 72 Opel + No parts = A lot of Walking***
***                                                  ***
*** Michael D. Crafts (io20017@maine.maine.edu)      ***
********************************************************
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From: fali@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Fathei Ali)
Subject: Sentra vs. Escort
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:03:04 GMT


      Hello, 
     
	     I am a graduate student intending to buy a small-sized 
     car in the $8000-11000 price range. Looking through the different
     auto books and reviews, I have narrowed my choices down to a 
     pick between the Nissan Sentra (classic or SE) and the Ford
     Escort.

    I like to hear from car owners on their personal experiences
    with, the pro/con's of either model.
                          
			  Thanks in advance

              Fathei Ali
     fali@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Bugs (and Bras)
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:01:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu61y4.Hr7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta) writes:


>	How can I remove the bug guts I get all over the front of my BLACK
>	car?  I try and dodge those little guys but I'd swear some were on
>	a suicide mission :)

In a similar vein, how effective are bras at preventing kamikaze insects?
My car is a very bright shade of red (Arrest-Me Red ;-) and for some reason
it attracts bugs even when standing still (I'm not kidding - I parked the
car yesterday afternoon planning to do some routine maintenance, and between
the time I had parked it and the time I got out to go open the hood, two
bees had appeared out of nowhere are were checking out the front end. Within
a couple minutes, there were at least half a dozen of the little buzzers
flitting around. Made working in the engine bay an interesting experience,
since they kept buzzing my head ;-/ )

Anyway, I'm thinking of getting a bra for the car. Apparently they're a 
bit out of fashion these days (didn't Car & Driver say a while back that
bras were grouped with the neon pink windshield wiper blades as being 
"uncool" ?), but if they'll prevent Busy Bee from dive bombing my paint
job at 90MPH or clogging my radiator fins with his gnarly little carcass, I'm
willing to suffer the social ostracism. ;-)

BTW, I've heard that bras sometimes flap at speed - is there any particular 
feature which I should look for in order to reduce or eliminate flapping?
Any other considerations? For example, I intend to make sure that the 
bra is made of fabric that can "breathe" so as to allow moisture trapped 
beneath it to escape. What else should I look for?

What about "stealth" bras which absorb RADAR and/or LIDAR? Worthwhile or 
marketing gimmick?

Please email, and I'll summarize. I'm also checking out the archives, in case
there's anything applicable stored there. Thanks for your help.

Signed, 
Bugged by Bugs. ;-)

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Passive or Attack Belts
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.150708.17048@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:

>1. What are the safety disadvantages of the motorized seat belts?

yes.

I.  the mount points are often not `geometrically suitable' for proper
shoulder harness fit

II. the lap belts usually must be manually fastened; even long time,
habitual seat belt wears find themselves forgetting to fasten the lap
belts.

>2. Is there any trend in the direction of eliminating them?

there seems to be; no one is particularly satisfied with the current
`passive belt' systems.

>3. Does the Federal government plan to require them?

nope; the federal government requires either 1) a passive belt system or
2) an airbag

>Why do they exist?

the original legislation mandated air bags; under heavy industry pressure,
the regulations were backed off to permit these `passive belts'.  no one
is happy with the result; those of us who don't like airbags don't like
the passive belts either, and the safety lobby never liked the passive
belts at all.

richard
-- 
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welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
  ``if you can read this, mario, you're too close''
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From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ka Wideband - too man
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >Has anybody had any "real highway driving" experiences with
  >Ka Wideband radar detectors other than the Uniden RD5000W ?
  >I'd like to know if other radars are more selective.

I have a Uniden RD6000W (I have no idea what the difference between
the 5000 and the 6000 model are), and haev only used it a couple of times
on highway - almost all is city.  I occasionally get Ka falses (must
be falses since nobody around here that I know of uses Ka), but nowhere 
near the amount that the original poster describes.  I get most of the
falses at night, seldom during the day - only thing I can think of is 
alarm systems in houses and businesses...

- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
---
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From: rayh@eng.auburn.edu (Ray W. Hiltbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Need info on DODGE POWER WAGON...
Keywords: DODGE
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:16:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep8.141629.14203
Reply-To: rayh@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


	I am looking for information on the dodge power wagon, the history, etc...

Any help would be appreciated...


Ray W. Hiltbrand
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarzw@lonex.rl.af.mil (Walter Koziarz)
Subject: Re: TURBO how does it work??
Organization: RL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.205019.17551@sequent.com> jd@sequent.com (Jim Duckering) writes:


>Is the turbo always spinning or does it only start to spin
>when the throttle is kicked in.  If you are easy on the gas
>do you still need to worry about warm up and coll down of the
>turbo.

Well, on an engine designed specifically to be turbocharged (Cummins 6BT),
the turbo does constantly spin.  After shutdown, I can walk around the truck
before the rotor comes to a halt.  It is hearable at the exhaust pipe since
my engine (as God intended) has had its muffler surgically removed and exhast
back-pressure reduced to the approximate level Cummins designed for.  This
is *after* a five-minute idle-down period.  By the way, the primary purpose
of the idle-down is to allow the oil to carry away the majority of the heat
in the turbine and shaft and secondarily to allow the rotating assembly to
reach minimum speed.

Walt K.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca (Chris VanFleet)
Subject: Re: Anybody into 64-73 musclecars 
Reply-To: zenith89@bcarh1eb.bnr.ca ()
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd., Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.120509.4829@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
>
>answer: No
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------

What is your problem?
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.legal,misc.consumers
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: FBI Director Announces Plan to Combat Carjacking
Organization: NDA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:59:16 GMT

Here is a press release from the FBI. 

 FBI Director Announces Plan to Combat Carjacking
 To: National Desk
 Contact: FBI Press Office, 202-324-3691

   WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 -- FBI Director William S. Sessions 
announced today that violent auto theft, or "carjacking,"
will be included as a priority in the FBI's "Operation Safe Streets"
national antiviolent crime initiative.
   Joint federal, state and local FBI-sponsored task forces are
currently in place in 42 cities across the country to address gang
and drug-related violence.  The focus of these task forces is being
expanded to include carjacking in areas of the country where this has
become a significant violent crime problem.
   "We consider carjacking a violent crime that deserves the full
attention of the FBI," Sessions said.  "As part of operation Safe
Streets, FBI agents will work closely with state and local law
enforcement and focus on those areas with an acute problem.  We have
the mechanism in place to deal aggressively with this problem."
   Carjacking, although known to law enforcement for several years,
has recently received wide media and public attention following a
series of sometimes brutal attacks on drivers in the Washington,
D.C., area, including one instance in which a suburban Maryland
mother was dragged to her death during a carjacking.
   Sessions did not discuss specific steps that the FBI is
considering to combat carjacking, saying only that all appropriate
investigative techniques are being employed based on the nature of
the problem in a particular area.
   Sessions announced "Operation Safe Streets" in January 1992, when
he moved 300 special agents from foreign counterintelligence to
violent crime, gang, and violent fugitive investigations.  Since that
time violent crime arrests by the FBI have increased 35 percent over
a comparable period last year and the number of wanted violent
fugitives apprehended has doubled.  Nearly 5,000 arrests have been
made since January.
   "I am confident that carjacking can be brought under control by
using the same proven, cooperative investigative strategies that have
already produced encouraging results in other violent crime areas
such as gangs," Sessions said.
 -30-

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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Porsche 928
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:01:28 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.021322.27314@athena.mit.edu>, aeichsta@athena.mit.edu (Andrew J. Eichstaedt) writes:
|> I'm contemplating the purchase of a '79 928, 60K mi, and seemingly in great
|> condition.  I'd apprecate it if anyone who's owned this car, or a 928 in
|> general, would let me know what I might look out for.  I'd be very happy to
|> hear about any positive or negative experiences anyone has had with the car.
|> Thanks!
|> 
|> Andrew Eichstaedt
|> AEichsta@Athena.MIT.Edu

The 928 is a lovely thing, and I have contemplated the purchase of one
myself. In the meantime, I have been driving an Audi for several years and 
have it serviced at a local shop that specializes in German cars. They see 
many Porsches there, and I once saw the repair bill for a nice silver 928 
they had in. The total was over $10,000, and this was for a car that was well 
maintained. 

I talked to the head mechanic about the wisdom of owning a Porsche, and 
he said the maintenance cost for any Porsche is unbelieveable. One of the 
big problems is the fact that Porsche is continually changing things, and 
this drives up the cost of parts past their already astronomical levels.
One new rim for a 928, for example, will drain your account by something close 
to $1000. Another problem with the 928 is the way they shoehorned the engine
and everything else into the car. If anything needs fixing under the hood, it
takes hours of labor just to get at it. The cheapest Porsche to maintain, 
believe it or not, is a 911. 

If you want the 928, buy it. But be prepared to make the choice between fixing
the car and eating for the next month.

Of course, if you really want a Porsche, there's always a 4 cyl. 914 :-)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: frankie@osc.edu (Frankie Harris)
Subject: Tires
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:24:18 GMT

I'm trying to determine which type of tire to get (actually provided by
the Dealer) for my potentially new 1990 Lexus LS400. The dealer has
suggested either a Michelin MHV (hope that's right or at least close) or
a Dunlap V80. Anybody know which is better? The dealer won't pay more
than $100/per tire. I don't know how much either tire will cost him.

Frankie


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