HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: update on the mother wanting to kill me
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:03:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.144311.5748@zip.eecs.umich.edu> sitar@pitts.sprl.umich.edu writes:
> [ Intro deleted ]
>
>> So you go to the florist and you get ten white long stemmer's and two
>> red long stemmer's. Now you write on the card:
>>  
>> " Roses are red violets are blue, I didn't want to sleep with your  
>daughter
>> I only wanted you. 
>>                       Your manly hunk of manlyhood
>>                       *Wink Wink*
>>                       *tee hee* "
>>  
>> Now this will assuage her feelings of being left alone in the cold dark
>> reality of old age while at the same time assuring that you get a chance
>> to dip your wick.  
>>  
>
> [ remaining deleted ]
>
>I honestly hope this is a joke.  If it is, it's in very poor taste.  If it  
>isn't, I don't think that you fully understand the problem.
>
>bob
 
Oh sorry. I guess I didn't understand the problem. Can you explain it in a 
little more detail. How you feel? How she feels? How her mother feels?
How her preacher feels? I would assume her mother is seeking guidance.
 
I would say that it sounds like you and the young lady do sound very much
in love not to mention I'll bet your a beautiful couple. I think you'll
make a lovely extended family some day. In your old age I'm sure you'll
look back on this little episode and laugh, chuckle and titter with the
lil ones. Good luck keep us posted and I'm so happy for you.
 
                       Have a sensitive day.
                       Your pal,
                       Germain Jackson.

 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Dangerous Ideas Afoot
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:22:09 GMT

dwb@cs.nott.ac.uk (David William Braithwaite) writes:
] In article <1993Jan10.013644.11551@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] >bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
] >] In article <1993Jan5.230440.507@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] >] 
] >] )Modern Day Problems:
] >] )
] >] )"lets get linear, I want to get linear, linear"
] >] )				Olivia Newton Algegra
] >] 
] >] Let's get metaphysical
] >] 
] >] - Olivia Newton Philosopher
] >] 
] >
] >Lets Get Tactical
] >
] >	- Olivia Newton PanzerGruppen
] 
] Lets get FUNKY
] 
] 	- Olivia Newton Jamesbrown

I Just Hate People who Mix their Time Scales!


"Lets Get Self Referential, Self Referential..."

	Olivia Newton Hofstader


ciao
drieux

-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: 

"Let's Get Digital, Digital"
	Olivia Newton TheHideousMachOSFKonspirakii
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Newspaper "personals"
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright) writes:

}In article <1992Dec26.082658.1422@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> aguilbault@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
}>Serious Question: Do newspaper "Personals" advertisements work?  What kind
}>of experiences (good and bad) have _net_ people had?  What techniques can
}>make them work better?

}To make them work better if you're answering, answer FAST.  Some ads
}generate a blizzard of responses and if you're 63rd in line, well, you
}figure the odds.

}To make them work better if you're writing one, you need to devote a
}lot of thought to both what you want and what you're like.  It's tough
}to express it all in, say, 30 words, but worth the effort.

I just wanted to emphasize these points.  My experience has been (and I'd
bet that this is almost always the case) that personals are a lot like the
net when it comes to the male to female ratio (ok, the personals probably
have a better ratio, but not by much).  So if you're a man, you definitely
need to answer fast or you'll just be totally lost.  On the other hand,
sometimes the woman won't find what she's looking for and then your
letter arriving after the rush will get consideration that it might not
have gotten.  But obviously there's the risk that she'll meet Mr. Right
in the first wave of responses.

If you're placing an ad, the first thing to do is to read through the 
existing ads from men.  If you want yours to be answered, you better make 
sure that it stands out in some way.  A straightforward list of qualities 
that you want and qualities that you have is boring.  I placed a number of 
personal ads many years ago, and the most successful one was . . . on 
second thought, since I might be doing that route again, maybe I'll just 
keep that to myself.  In any case, just remember that in most surveys 
I've seen, when women were asked what quality was most important in a 
man, "sense of humor" always tops the list.

If you're a woman, it's probably not so important to answer quickly, but
you certainly want to put a lot of thought into making the ad say what
you want.  Given that you'll likely get a lot of responses no matter what,
it's best to try to limit them to men that you might have some chance of
being interested in.

--James Preston

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:55:26 GMT

stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:

>The quote about a rose, which is from The Little Prince, is not about 
>a challenge. It is an explanation of why we love people even when we 
>know their faults: because we have spent time with them, because we have 
>a shared history.

>stef@apple.com       It is the time you have wasted for your rose
>                     that makes your rose so important.       Saint-Exupery

Perhaps that explains the quote.  But another, more positive reason to
love someone 'even when you know their faults' is because their
virtues outweigh their faults, because the good in the relationship,
considered over the course of the relationship to that point, has
brought more pleasure than the bad has brought discomfort/pain.

-- 
"The Loon is not related to the Laughing Jackass or Australian Kingfisher.
 Mother nature just happens to have made the same mistake in two birds."
 .....................Will Cuppy, _How to Tell Your Friends from the Apes_
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Upper Midwest
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:29:02 GMT
Organization: The Transvestite Farmer's Association of Argo Fay, Iowa

In article <C0Kv1F.801@unix.portal.com> mzank@shell.portal.com (matthew c zank) writes:
>k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai) writes:
>
>>In article <C0H9vA.G0o@unix.portal.com> mzank@shell.portal.com (matthew c zank) writes:
>>>Does anyone know why the upper midwest is so awful for meeting
>>>anyone? like i mean there is just no one here.
>>>--
>>>Matthew Zank * Eau Claire, Wisconsin
>>>------------------------------------
>
>>Matt, Matt, Matt...
>
>>I would have figured that you got all of this whining out of your system
>>over in alt.personals by now... 
>
>>One more time:
>
>>UW Eau Claire has a very high female to male ratio due to the schools
>>of Nursing and Elem. Ed. programs. Go hang out on Water St. 
>
>>If you want drunk, overweight, and desperate go to Shenanigan's...
>
>>If you want drunk, upwardly mobile, and disdainful go to Cameraderie or
>>Hooligan's...
>
>>If you want drunk, artsy, and dressed in black spandex go to the Joynt...
>
>>If you want drunk, athletic, Good Ol' Girls go to Wagners 53 1/2
>>Lanes...
>
>>If you want sober, responsible, lifetime companions stop wallowing
>>in self-pity and develop a personality that attracts members of the
>>opposite sex (honesty, respect, sense of humor, etc...)
>
>
>As I SAY for the last time, the bars are USELESS VERY USELESS, I have
>snice it was lawful for me to step in a bar, have tryed bars, i have
>stoped about this time last year, because I have no luck witn, and now
>I have this outlook. AS far I see bars are noting but meat markets where
>if you are not mr atlas, women will not give you the time of day.
>The whole thing is bars are the only place to meet anyone here in wisconsin.
>So have have better thing to waste 10 ro so bucks.
>
Methinks you miss the point.

If you want to meet people outside of bars then go to church, bowling
alleys, campus film society presentations, join some clubs, get involved
in social causes. 

I lived in So. Cal for 8 years and went on approx. 5 dates. I moved to
Eau Claire and met more datable women in 8 weeks than in the previous
8 years. I'm 5'2" and I look more like Danny DeVito than Michael J. Fox
so women are definitely not just looking for "Mr. Atlas"(of course most
women in Wisconsin are 4'3" in their stocking feet). What are your
standards?
 
P.S. I hear Catholic confessional booths are great places to meet women in
Wisconsin... 

Bakayaroo Banzai
Stupid Fellow of 10,000 Years and Ersatz Cult Movie Hero
Xref: sparky soc.singles:36208 alt.romance:15980
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.romance
Subject: Re: On Closure and Completeness, On Vixen and Prancer.
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:10:14 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

] In article <1993Jan7.224349.5481@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] >sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
] >] In article <1992Dec30.104358.12959@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] >
] >I return you now to the more pressing problem of how
] >individuals resolve the Philosophical Complications of
] >Godel's Incompleteness Theorum, by providing a 
] >synthetic basis of establishing Closure and Completeness
] >to their Personal System.
] >
] >When people are willing to address that level of the
] >epistemological problem, then I will see that we are
] >dealing with honesty at the core personal level, and
] >not merely playing the game of "My Personal Pet Bigotries
] >are Better than Yours and You should follow Mine...."
] >
] >Which, in the main is what james was doing in this matter.
]  
] Actually drieux my pet bigotries have been raised and weaned by me and I
] would prefer you get your own, if that wouldn't offend your CORE VALUES?
] Now if that offends you then I apologize at your CORE PERSONNAL LEVEL.
]  
] In closing I'd just like to admit that you have hurt me to my very....Core.


segmentation fault, core dump.


ciao
drieux

ps: I can't believe the Subject Line, and that
anyone would be that Sacriligious about So Holy
an Event as the Annual Corporate PreEndOfTaxSeason Extravaganza!
Are You some Kinda of Pinko?
Or What?


-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: 

"Let's Get Digital, Digital"
	Olivia Newton TheHideousMachOSFKonspirakii
From: nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:06:50 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <0ioswB1w165w@momad.li.ny.us>, frackas@momad.li.ny.us (George Frackas) writes:
> Also, how does one approach a girl he's interested in, when she is 
> hanging around her friends?

It can help to approach one of the friends, particularly if one of the friends
is a guy.  It will relax you to talk to someone you are not trying to attract, 
first.  It will give her the impression that you are not hitting on her.  It
will afford you the opportunity to use the friend as a bridge to meeting the
person you are "after".

-- 
-----
 Andy Harrington                      | nin15b63@merrimack.edu
 Computer Geek                        | aharrington@ldbvax.lotus.com
 Merrimack College, North Andover, MA | I'm too sexy for this network.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: The Classiest Pickup Lines
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:40:37 GMT

In article <4277@eastman.UUCP> palmer@iels05.Kodak.COM (Erika Palmer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.012059.339@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
>|> 
>|> Here's one that I heard ACTUALLY worked (I don't know if I believe it or not):
>|> "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?"
>
>A guy I know at RIT claimed he tried that one once.  He says it worked...knowing Rohit,
>I have my doubts... 

Which puts me in mind of a guy I once knew who told me he automatically
dismisses as lies 90% of what guys tell him of their experiences with
women and seriously doubts 90% of what's left.

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Mongrel Ethnic Purity (had stopped  be
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:46:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.135240.19329@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>In article <1il0enINNhie@mirror.digex.com> huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
>>
>>By the way, Charles Darwin married his first cousin.
>
> He was also into poetry and went insane.
> 
> I'll hafta giv it a Try.g
                      ^^^^^

Excuse me?  Shouldn't you ask me first before giving me to your first
cousin?

Trygve   (At least I'm still sane.)
--
      She woks the tofu in the night
        With mushrooms, chives, and fluffy rice;
      And all that's left of brown and white
        Meet in a dish beyond price:
      And mellowed by her tufu white,
        Are left to be eaten by the mice.
From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Her mother wants to kill me
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:44:56 GMT
	<1993Jan11.154323.29708@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com's message of 11 Jan 93 15:43:23 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.154323.29708@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

   In article <C0Kv7L.Jpw@portal.hq.videocart.com> dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes:
   >GWOODS@NDSUVM1.BITNET (Gregory L. Woods, Jr.) writes:
   >: but now her mom has threaten my life if I
   >: come near her house(her mom professes to be a christian). 

   >  That christian part scares me. Especially born-again. For all they claim
   >to be, christians are the most judgemental people i know. My sister, her
   >  If angela's mom is like that, you can expect that you will probably never
   >fit the mold for "her precious", and that all of your actions are suspect.
   >
   >Dave

   Greg and Dave,
   Can we talk Heathen to Heathen to Heathen?
   Now I don't want offend DruusAppleCorePersonalValueSystem BUT it is quite
   clear that your SO's mother is hiding behind this christian thang in an effort
   to protect her repressed sexual(and yet motherly) feelings for Gregory.

   [excellant excoriation excized]

Thanks dude.  I needed that...

Spidey!!!



--
You don't hunt ducks with a turnip! 

 /\ \  / /\  Josh Diamond                                          jmd@bear.com
//\\ .. //\\ AKA Spidey!!!                        ...!ctr.columbia.edu!ursa!jmd
//\((  ))/\\
/  < `' >  \                                              Do whatever it takes.
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: How strong...
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:53:34 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <76114@apple.apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>>Temptress...
>Anyone who uses "temptress" gets an automatic 8.5.
>Well, almost anyone.


Netbabe...
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Subject: Re: rON bashing
Organization: Panix, NYC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:50:55 GMT

In <1993Jan4.020752.14524@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor) writes:

>In article <1993Jan3.192225.14625@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>>Perhaps we're not reading the same articles.  Did you happen
>>to catch this insult directed squarely at Ms. Kitsis' religious 
>beliefs:
>^^^^^^^^
>>  "I think it idiotic to be utilizing modern technologies that spread your 
>>   words worldwide almost instantaniously, but refeuse to eat a ham-and-cheese
>>   sandwich because you might get condemned to whatever for it."

>And so it seems, we are reading the same articles. However, it would
>also seem we have vastly different interpretations of that excerpt.

>"I think >it<  idiotic..."  It, as in an idea, not a person.  How is this
>a personal attack?   I am not Jewish, so I am not as sensitisized to
>personal insult in this area as some others might be.  However, I could
>make the statement, " I think it idiotic to have to go to work."   Who
>or what would I be insulting then?

Well, how abou this then.....

"I think it idiotic to have to go to work and utilize modern technologies
to spread YOUR words worldwide, but refuse to eat a ham-and-cheese
sandwich because you might get condemned to whatever for it."

The fact that YOUR is used as well as the statement "refuse to eat..."
blah blah blah, are statements againsta a person.  Does an idea eat a ham
and cheese sandwich?  Gimme a break....  If the statement were worded
differently (maybe "I think it idiotic that one can spread ideas
instantaneously using modern technolgies yet practices such as refusing to
eat ham-and-cheese sandwiches still exist"....) it would be attacking the
idea only, NOT the person....

Excuse this nitpicking grammar lesson, but "rON" assinine statement is/was
a personal attack against personal beliefs, not a philosphical attack upon
an idea.....

And one doesn't have to Jewish to know that........

What if someone came on the net and attack other religions in the same
way?  Gimme a break.....

I am sick and tired of the B.S. being thrown that claims that somehow ONLY
Jews are the only ones who marry or socialize within "their" group. 
Please, show me one group that DOESN'T.  Any attempt to introduce outside
elements into ANY group (wether that be gang, tribe, nation, race or religion)
is always met with opposition.........

So can we quit this "WhydoJewsonlywanttomarryJews" B.S......

Please?

--
jack
jis@panix.com


Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Re: Breaking up is hard to do....
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Reply-To: kevin@clsi.com
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:18:50 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.164658.29682@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> 
> >You may find this hard to believe, but it is quite possible to be
> >'fucking good friends'.
> 
> You're right, I am skeptical about this.  I was once in a relationship
> where I thought it was possible to remain 'fucking good friends'.  I was
> wrong.  You can make all the pacts and agreements with your partner that
> you want, but it dosen't preclude the possibility that someone's going
> to develop some kind of deeper feelings, particularly if you really are
> _friends_ and not just acquaintances.

I used to have a relationship where we were 'fucking good friends'. It worked
quite well until somebody else - who was prepared to lie about their emotions -
got involved.

Lots of different kinds of relationships are possible, you take what you can
get.

Kev.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Where did I meet my SO?
From: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:21:57 GMT
Reply-To: parks_typ@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz

In article <197@jptcs.COM>, tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer) writes:
>Catherine Collingwood (Catherine.Collingwood@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
>: We're getting married sometime in 1995.
>: 
>: Anyone else?
>
>Well, I'm not planning on it..... :)

Aw, Tim!   I'm heartbroken!





Rachel                           "Supergoof!"
                                    -  -
                                    O  O
                                      >
                                     \_/
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.sex
From: rossi@mtu.edu (Rossi)
Subject: Re: NEVER EVER TRY THIS
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:38:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.093236.43475@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.114632.15650@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>>thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>>] 
>>] (To merge threads) 
>>
>>This is a MORALLY OFFENSIVE NOTION!!!!!
>>
>>Please Do NOT do this Ever AGAIN!
>
>Oooooh!
>
>He flamed me! He flamed me!
>
><swoon>


   Not if ya lived through it laddie!  T'was more like a love tap.
(and you weren't really drilled either :)

   songbird  - in the storm
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jennings@chainsaw.fishkill.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Meeting women in clubs
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 21:03:57 GMT
Reply-To: jennings@chainsaw.fishkill.ibm.com ()
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1993Jan4.185956.7321@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
> In article <9680161@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> gosch@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill
Gosch) writes:
> >
> >George Frackas (frackas@momad.li.ny.us) asks:
> >>
> >> What does one say to a girl in a club, when one wants to meet her?
> >> I can never think of a single word to say to them.  
> >
> >Some of the really big powerlifters at the local club use this one
> >(I'm not sure about the spelling):
> >
> >   Eeeeaabmmmmpnooofuh.

A friend of mine and I were coming back from a 40mi ride, and happened
past a gym. Well, out on the 2nd floor fire escape was some big
powerlifter type dude. My friend glanced up at the guy and said *argh*.
In reply, the guy yelled *AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHH  SSSNNNNAAAARRRRLLLLL*,
accompanied by a flex/pose reminiscent of the incredible hulk. We nearly
fell off laughing! Pre-historic communications, 101.		

bill the cat....                 .... at wrj@vnet.ibm.com


> >
> >Actually, this is the only word that they ever use.  It does seem to
> >do the job for them, though.
> 
> Close enough, but at least according to the Oxfrog English Dictionary,
> it doesn't have an 'f' in it.  To pronounce it properly, the sounds need
> to emanate from the back of the throat.
> 
> Trygve   (Now I just have to find myself an enthusiasic female weightlifter
>           willing to help me load plates and keep my inspiration high at
>           least until I'm all done with having my leg surgically
reassembled.)
> --
> "Unnatural Enquirer exclusive:  Kitten eats grand piano--now she plays
>  chords when people pet her!"
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: POWs?  (was Re: Question about divorced women...)
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:41:12 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:

}In article <b=1rcnj@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
}>OK, I am interested in dating a POW, divorced a few years, 1 kid (the kid

}	Relationships with POWs are tricky, I've been involved with 2 of them,

Ok, is this a new term that no one has yet told me about?  Does POW
really stand for Prisoner of War in this context, or is it something 
else?  If the former, does it apply to all divorced people, or just
survivors of especially nasty marriages?

--James Preston (trying to increase his general courage by demonstrating
                 that he is not afraid to appear ignorant in public.
                 Hey, it's a step forward.)