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From: newt@infochi.com (Newton K. Fish)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Low limit Holdem strategy
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:54:07 CDT
Organization: Infochi System of Chicago

> 
> Anyway, the question is, what is the "correct" strategy to follow
> for the lower (say 1-2, 2-4 or even 3-6) tables?  I can't seem to
> really get things to go my way at these tables.  I'm more or less
> following Sklansky and Malmuth's advice for 6-12 tables and it
> seems to work fairly well (however I'm still pretty green).


I don't understand why the stakes make a difference in your strategy. In 
hold'em you are playing your opponents and your position. Not necessarily 
in that order. The crucial thing during a long haul game is knowing those 
times when you can buy into a strong position and make a hand win that 
wouldn't normally. How often do you get to play AA KK AK(s) QQ AQ(s)? I 
suppose a poor analogy would be the middle game of chess match. Those 
marginal hands are where the real skill comes in. And it has very little 
to do with card strategy. When you make those decisions to try to win 
when you know your not pat my experience has shown me that that is where 
the money is. This is the fastest way to find the fear threshold of your 
tablemates. Hold'em is such a brutally beautiful psychological exercise. 
And for my MONEY that's where it's at. 

Good Luck!

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From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: People interested in video poker.
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:11:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.131242.8863@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>	I have received about 5 responses to my post.
[munch]
>	My terms are simply that you play the system for probly at
>	least an hour, and let me know your profit/loss.

Of course, the results of 5 hours will be a totally statistically significant.
(Not!)

>	Or at least if you get it, and think it's rediculous (which
>	it isn't) then let me know.  But I would think that anything
>	is worth a 1 hr try.

Uh, you *do* realize that the FAQ itself has a video poker "system",
proven via mathematics/combinatorial analysis to work, thanks to
Steve Jacobs...

In what way does this system you purchased differ from Steve Jacobs'?  Or
from Stanford Wong's?  Who published this system?  For what poker machines
is your system designed for?

-- 
Michael Hall            \
NASA Ames Research Center\  "Tropicana... Atlantic City in the desert"
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \  - ad slogan proposed by Michael Buck
From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Goin' to AC!
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:03:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct14.113441.28166@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan  
Yasutovich) writes:
> 	Last time I went it seemed like Resorts and the one half way
> 	down set back  (Clairidge?) had the best chance of a reasonable
> 	table limit.

No, the Claridge is all the way (straight) back, and yes, they almost 
always have at least some $5 tables open.

Jason
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: How/Where to play DD in LV
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:09:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: fibers.1992Oct7.140922.599
Distribution: na
Organization: Allied Fibers, Petersburg VA

OK.  It's time for me to admit that I really know zippo about savvy
bet sizing, and ask some dumb questions...

In article <1992Oct6.235914.2929@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.094858.593@fibers.uucp> mbuck@fibers.uucp (Michael D. Buck) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.115437.10730@midway.uchicago.edu>, kolt@quads.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo) writes:
>>> What kind of spreads do these rules require to grind out much of a profit?
>>
>>Not sure.  I wasn't too daring about my spread, and basically stuck to a
>>1-3 spread.  (I know, I know, I'll never be able to win with that...)
> 
> 1-16 or more for mediocre games
> 1-8 or more for average games
> 1-6 with good rules/penetration (or a 2 up to 8 down to 1 spread)
> 1-4 with excellent rules/penetration, perfect counting, almost no cover
> 1-3 if you never want to win
> 

In DD, to get a 1-8 or 1-16 spread without raising attention, you'd
have to go progressively from 1->4->8->16, or something similar,
right?  (I'd think that even *that* sequence would warrant attention. 
Or am I paranoid?) So, only head-on play can be made profitable at
average DD games, since you can't get more than about 4-5 rounds at a
full table.  Is that right?  What I suppose I'm asking is, you can't
*ever* (even after the inital 5-10 minutes of play) jump directly from
1 to greater-than-four units, can you, without raising flags?
 
> Incidentally, I was barred recently for the second time in my life, after
> quadrupling my bet for the second round on single deck in the first five
> minutes of play (it didn't help that I took insurance too, and that the
> dealer had blackjack...)

I have trouble finding a SD game at less-than-full tables (at minimum
bets I can afford).  In such a situation, how can you (profitably)
size your bet when there are only two rounds per shuffle, and not get
barred?  If you start with one unit for the first round, and the count
goes way up, you can't more than triple your bet to 3 units for round
#2, or the automatic-shuffle flag goes up, and you don't get your
potentially profitable second round.  Isn't that how most places
handle it?  If so, how can a full SD table ever really be profitable?
How can I ever do more than a 1-3 spread at a 2x7 table?
________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones)
Subject: Cruiseship/Caribbean BJ
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:22:21 GMT

OK, so there was only one response to my request about cruiseship/Caribbean
blackjack.  I can understand that most of you "hard core" gamblers go to more
easily accessible casinos!

SO, my question this time is, can anyone provide any references to organizations
which publish information (e.g. blackjack rules) about casinos outside the U.S.?

Any help would be appreciated!

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com

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From: jack@freezer.cns.udel.edu (Jack Seltzer)
Subject: Re: AC Info Wanted
Reply-To: jack@freezer.cns.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:14:43 GMT

In article 592@fibers, mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
The only
>exception to this seems to be at TropWorld, where they have a specific
>section of the casino running under the "Boardwalk Games" banner.  This
>area had 8-10 $5.00 BJ tables at 9 PM on Saturday night.  I couldn't
>be sure, but it looks like they maintain these tables at $5 at all times

For the most part they do maintain the $5 tables, but it depends on the traffic.
I was there last weekend and they move these "Boardwalk Games" tables
up to $10 on Friday night.  They were back at $5 the next afternoon.

These are not tables for counters.  The max bet is $25 and you can only
play one hand.
From: kgirodias@azcc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: How/Where to play DD in LV
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:38:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

> For the following casinos, I know of DD games, but am unsure of rules:
> 
> Barbary Coast   Stardust   Slots-A-Fun  Silver City
> (I am curious about DAS)
> 

Stardust has no DAS, I did real well at the Stardust about a week ago. 

Ken
From: jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Fast Action Hold Em
Date: 16 Oct 1992 23:47:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <JACOBS.92Oct16100226@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
>> (Does anyone have any ideas on this and/or have exact rules on
>> how the dealer plays his hand? The dealers I played with
>> were not 100% sure, and I often persuaded them to play
>> what I felt were worse hands because they were running
>> or suited.)
>
>Assuming you play optimal, this is an even game against the dealer
>except for three things:
>
>   1)  5% vig.
>   2)  5:1 payoff for a "natural" (4-kind dealt to you)
>   3)  You can play your discards if you want to.
>
>The 5:1 payoff for naturals happens only once in about 1359 hands,
>which increase your expected return by only 0.37%.  This leaves
>the house with a 4.63% edge that you must overcome by playing your
>discards.  Good luck.

Goodness, with a 5% vig, assuming you win half and lose half, wouldn't
this automatically make it 2.5% disadvantage? No? Hm, I need to
go back to jr. high fer math. 

Also, I agree it's an even money game if you play exactly like the
house. However, given that the house chose to play 10-9
instead of...wait, no, she chose to play 9-8 instead of
A-9. Steve, you play poker. If you were heads up against
another opponent, which would you rather have? 

I'm fairly certain a strategy could be created that would
beat the dealer more than half the time. Question is, of
course, can it beat the juice? Probably not. But I'm still
curious. 



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From: thail@seas.gwu.edu (Samuel R. Posten)
Subject: going to ac part 2
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:06:20 GMT

Next question - thanks for all the help on the 5 dollar tables in ac.

Who (if anybody) has 
a. the best buffet for least money, or a compromise of the two
b. the best buffet in the middle of the night.

Next question.
I have a bally's comp card, but it really doesn't do me much good if I'm
only playing at the five dollar tables, even for hours at a time, does it?
 
If I go to another casino, should I even bother to get their card?  I've
seen the FAQ, but is there any advantage to having the card while playing
low tables?

Thanks tons.
PS please no flames for asking about the buffets, it really is kinda
necesary for my trip!
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:04:05 EDT

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: thail@seas.gwu.edu (Samuel R. Posten)
Subject: Goin' to AC!
Originator: thail@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:09:44 GMT

Ok, I'm going to AC next tuesday night, should get there around midnight. 
I'll be playing BJ and Double Exposure.  My question is:  Where will the
most five dollar tables be at that time.  ie at what casino, and where
will the most favorable setups ie hiting soft hands etc. be.  Thanks for
the help, and if anyone else will be there then, let me know.  I'll
probably be there most of the night and part of wednesday.  

Can you say "Road-Trip!!!!!"
Sam
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:05:18 PST


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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Goin' to AC!
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:34:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct14.010944.8937@seas.gwu.edu> thail@seas.gwu.edu (Samuel R. Posten) writes:
>Ok, I'm going to AC next tuesday night, should get there around midnight. 
>I'll be playing BJ and Double Exposure.  My question is:  Where will the
>most five dollar tables be at that time.  ie at what casino, and where
>will the most favorable setups ie hiting soft hands etc. be.  Thanks for
>the help, and if anyone else will be there then, let me know.  I'll
>probably be there most of the night and part of wednesday.  
>
>Can you say "Road-Trip!!!!!"
>Sam
>
>

	Last time I went it seemed like Resorts and the one half way
	down set back  (Clairidge?) had the best chance of a reasonable
	table limit.

	
-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Roulette system(s)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:54:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: crown.berkeley.edu

hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
>like this, but I left that file behind when I switched jobs.  If someone
>still has this file, maybe you could clean it up and stick it into the
>rec.gambling archive at soda.berkeley.edu.

I hope somebody has done this!
Let us know if you do!
mark
From: donk@fury.wr.tek.com (Donald C. Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Yet another trip report - Reno (Oct. 2-4)
Keywords: Blackjack
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:20:20 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.005617.10232@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
>In article <10722@wrgate.wr.tek.com> donk@fury.wr.tek.com (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) writes:
>
>>The Fitz/Harolds/Nevada Club stamp a card each time you get a
>>blackjack. Seven stamps and the card is placed in a drawing for some
>>inconsequential gifts. What the heck, it was free so I participated.
>
>Yeah, I think it's just something to draw in suckers and to get the
>names of counters.  High rollers (or even anyone above the poverty line)
>shouldn't be interested in a 1 in 1,000 chance (1 prize per week for all three
>casinos) of winning a Goldstar bottom-of-the-line VCR, so there's no reason
>to get a card which involves giving them your name and address. 

Your point about giving up my anonymity is well taken. It worried me at
first, but I watched them place the cards in the box. They paid no
attention to the name on the card. In fact, the person who put the card
in the box didn't even know who filled it out. Clearly they think it
will either attract or hold customers, but the Nevada club offered the
best game in town - single deck with 80% penetration. I was going to
play there NO MATTER WHAT.  Since I could not lose anything, why not
play. By the way, NO MATER WHAT I DID, or NOW MUCH I WON, I RECIEVED NO
HEAT. I don't think it was a ploy to get my name "'cause I's a
counter." One unsual aspect of this trip is that I never even saw ONE
player that played good basic strategy, let alone counted - I guess
they were all in Las Vegas. (Not to worry, I signed all the cards
Michael Hall :-)

--
	-Don Kirkpatrick (Donald.C.Kirkpatrick@tek.com)
		UUCP:	...!uunet!tektronix!Donald.C.Kirkpatrick
From: msc9315@geovax.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: <None>
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:35:44 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.



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From: kolt@ellis.uchicago.edu (Matt K/Gonzo)
Subject: Splitting
Reply-To: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:31:02 GMT

Is it worth splitting in situations not normally called for (such as 66v2 when
slight neg count), in order to reduce variance? It seems that the old "playing
two hands" idea should come into play somehow. What effect would DAS have on
my decision to split a close hand.

Conversely, whenever doubling down is the close play, I skip it. But if the
question is whether to split, it seems that when in doubt (except on 99, XX) 
the ulcer-redcuing play is to split.

Matt


-- 
Matt Koltnow   B0 t-- w- c g+ k s+ e r- p   "Truth is not kind; and you
Email: kolt@midway.uchicago.edu              say neither am I." --Toad the    
Ntalk: kolt@ellis.uchicago.edu (or @quads)   Wet Sprocket      
Boycott the IP... R.I.P. MSS...Hugs to all...Standard Disclaimers Apply...
From: hroth@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Harris Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Poker: bet-declare-bet??
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:16:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Here are the rules proposed for our "friendly" poker game.

7 card hi-lo.  Dealt two down, 4 up, 1 down.  Nothing wild.  Betting, five
rounds - one after each up card and after last down card, then declare, then
showdown.  Declaration is winning low (one chip), winning high (two chips),
or pig (both high and low winner - three chips).  Lowest low hand; A2346 (no
flush) and 34567 (straight flush).  High five card hand and low five card 
hand takes half the pot each, pig takes the whole pot.  High hand only or
low hand only takes whole pot.  If pig beats low but loses high, or pig
beats high but loses low, pig is out and best high and low split.  Low or
high ties split pot, but the pig must win and cannot tie.

The net appears split on the bet-declare-bet-showdown vs bet-declare-showdown
but the best advice has been and remains to have the rules of the game spelled
out before playing.
-- 
Harris J. Roth, Senior Programmer Analyst |
System Software                           |   hroth@ncratl.atlantaga.NCR.COM 
Transaction Terminal Systems Division     |
NCR E&M Atlanta                           |   (404) 623-7749
From: tylerh@cco.caltech.edu (Tyler R. Holcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Cruiseship BJ
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:18:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) writes:

>Anyone out there ever play blackjack on a cruiseship?  I will be going on
>Carnival's Festivale ship on Dec 6.  I rarely play BJ but I have a pretty
>good grasp on the basic strategy.  If I find out beforehand that the odds
>are good I'm considering learning a simple counting system.

>Also, know any good casinos on St. Thomas, St. Martin, Barbados, Dominica
>or Martinique?

I'm sorry I can't remember the details anymore, but my conclusion
after three trips to Carribean was that for gambling one was better off
going to Cleveland and playing Bingo.

The casinos in St. Martin could be described as
"Vegas without the Charm...and worse odds."  The Help is
often rude - or just plain incompetent (I got tired
of helping the BJ dealer count correctly) and the odds
generally stink.  

But the beaches are GREAT....
	
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
From: mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:51:29 PST
From: pgravel@nap.amoco.com (Philip L. Gravel)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Info wanted on riverboat casinos in Illinois
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: pgravel@nap.amoco.com (Philip L. Gravel)
Organization: Amoco Corporation

In article <1992Oct3.224156.28827@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ege@cbnews.cb.att.com 
(Ernie Englehart) writes:
 
> I'm looking for information on the riverboat gambling available in
> Illinois.  I know about one in Joliet...has anyone been on this boat?
> Are there any others in the Chicago area?

There are some in the Davenport/Moline area, but the closest to Chicago is in 
Joliet.

> When will the casinos in downtown Chicago be open?  8-)

Never if Gov. Edgar has his way.  Mayor Daley wants it badly.

Phil

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Amoco Corporation, Chicago, IL        Phone:    (312)856-3553
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These opinions aren't worth the paper they're written on and
certainly don't reflect those of my employer.
From: "will sahlein" <will.sahlein@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: boston poker game?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:39:10 EST
Reply-To: "will sahlein" <will.sahlein@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

ANyone know of a poker game in the Boston area?
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: The !%*$# FAQ
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:38:34 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs



Ignore this test message.  I'm trying to post the new FAQ, but
having technical difficulties.  Please stand by....
--

????????????????????

Did the FAQ ever come thru?  I haven't seen it on this system.

I was also curious on any wheeling strategies or best pick strategies
for the lotto. (daily 3, daily 4, lotto 47 ???)

Thanx,
Mark
From: mmord@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Which Wong book?/LVA
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:18:10 MST

In article <1992Oct5.111148.368@doc.bmd.trw.com>, mmord@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
> Question:  LVA's writeup on Wong's "Casino Tournament Play" or some
> such title indicates that this book contains the same information
> as in Wong's "Blackjack Tournament Play" or some such title.  The
> blackjack only book is still $100....? But the new tournament book
> on various casino games is only about $44.  So does anybody know
> which is the best buy? LVA really talks a lot about the blackjack
> sections in the new book....."old spiral notebooks"...etc. 
> I guess I need to know lest I break down and bone up for the
> Nov 20-21 BJ tourny at the Silver Smith...JJ? Steve?


Oh, never mind.  My girlfriend surprised me with a copy of "Casino 
Tournament Strategy" last night.  She talked with LVA and ended up
ordering it instead of "Blackjack Tournament Strategy". It actually
states that it contains that book within its contents in the prelude.
Helluva girlfriend.

Bret
From: ov@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Olaf Vancura)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Reno BJ Rules
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:22:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <1992Oct8.144104.4120@cbnews.cb.att.com> ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason) writes:
>I'm going to Reno next week and have never been there before.
>From the FAQ, and the couple of BJ books I have, it seems 
>that "typical" Reno rules are single deck, H17, D10, and  
>no Doubling on Soft Hands.  Is this true?  What about 
>DAS/RSA/ESR/LSR?  Basically, I just want to know so I make sure 
>I have the appropriate Basic Strategy memorized and "practiced" 
>before I get out there - I won't be counting.
>
>Thanks in advance. 
> 
>david 

I grew up in the Bay Area, and the BEST BJ rules in Reno are at the
Cal-Neva Casino.  The pits on the 3rd floor have single deck, DOA, and
surrender.  As of 2 years ago, it was still $1 minimum.  No doubling
after splitting, and in ALL Reno/Tahoe casinos, dealer hits soft 17.
Most Reno casinos use two decks, and DD only on 9,10,11, the # of decks
varies widely, but not the rules of play.  Typically no surrender at
all is offered...

Olaf
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