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From: ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo)
Subject: Re: Is Taiwanese CHinese?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:45 EDT  

In article <1992Dec16.212856.17886@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes...
>>
>>if so why are all the guys from Taiwan arguing among each other?
>>are the "yes" side CCP/KMT spies?  ;->  
>>
> 
>That's because a small group of people in Taiwan who are holding most of
>the power don't want to be Taiwanese. Since they controled all of the mass
>medias, so they could constantly brainwash Taiwanese that they are Chinese.
>Of cause, some people buy it, but any body with minimal independent thought
>will laugh at it.

	Actually, I know a lot of people who admitting they are both Taiwanese
	AND Chinese while advocating independence of Taiwan.

	You have a very narrow mind and a narrow definition of Chinese.
	Taiwanese are part of Chinese ethnic group, Twaiwanese culture is
	part of Chinese culture that no body can deny which is MUCH MUCH 
	stronger than the Japanese culture link which you happen to like.  
	Besides, there is nothing wrong being a Chinese from Taiwan and 
	want an independence from China Government (CCP).  Go to Singapore, 
	there are lot of people admitting they are Chinese (Hua2 Zen3) and 
	prouded to be a citizen of Singapore.
> 
>Yi-Chieh
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Which box will you take?
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:16:02 GMT

In article <Dec.17.15.09.03.1992.11153@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:
>
>The recent series of games is much more interesting than flaming wars. Here
>is my little contribution. It is a puzzle of porbability.
>
>There are two boxes. One box contains twice as much money as the other box.
>That's all you know. Suppose you open a box, it contains $200. You have the
>choice to take the $200 or take the other box. Will you take the $200 or
>will you take the other box?   Well, you would say, it doesn't matter.
>It maybe so. But, after the following simple argument, you will find that
>you should always choose the unopened box. Let's see why. You know that one
>box has $200. So the other box has either $400 or $100, each
>possibility with a probability of 0.5. Therefore the expectation value of
>money in the other box is $400*0.5+$100*0.5=$250, which is $50 more than
>$200. Thus the conclusion of this argument is, you should ALWAYS choose
>the other box. Now, seriously, in real life, when you are presented
>with two such boxes, will you always open one box and take the other?
>I mean, why is the unopened  box always better than the opened one, although
>either box could be the opened one? Doesn't it seem a little silly?
>Obviously something is wrong in the above argument. What's wrong?
>ZZZ
>zzhang@physics.rutgers.edu

when you are given two boxes, the money in them has been determined. there is
only one pair of numbers in this problem, not 3 numbers: 200,100,400.
probability is a subset in the whole REAL events set.  

W.Huang --- nothing difficult
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 1 dime + 1 quarter = 35 cents
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:34:55 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <14DEC199220193723@utkvx2.utk.edu> xic@utkvx2.utk.edu (Chen, Xi) writes:
>In article <Dec.14.18.18.17.1992.3094@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes...
>>Ok, two coins, a dime and a quarter make up 35 cent, right? Now, can you 
>>make up 35 cents from two coins when one of them is not a quarter?
>>ZZZ
>
>It all depends upon how do you interpret "make up".  I have  two half dollar
>coins, and I go to a shop buy a can of coke which costs 65 cents.  I have
>35 cents left.  Do not buy it on vending machine, since it does not eat
>big coin.  Just for fun.

Thank you for the joke. I had some fun. My question is: what if the 
sales clerk gives you back 3 dimes and one nickel?

Meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From:  guess@earth.univers
Subject: Re: Pretty Girl #3 (Part 0/1)
Keywords: girl, pretty, soft focus
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:15:24 GMT

In article <Bz4Gov.5J8@ecf.toronto.edu>, zeng@ecf.toronto.edu (ZENG Roger Wei Gang) writes:
|> Hi all ...
|> 
|> This is the 3rd of the pretty girl who have had the previlege to be posted
|> in SCC. The theme is a bit like friend1.gif -- soft focus. She is, IMO, a
|> bit more beautiful than Noriko in MISS.GIF, but not so cute. Over all, I
|> like Noriko better. What do you guys think?
|> 
|> Roger Zeng Girls Evaluation System (RZGES) score: 7.2 out of 10
|> 
The picture quality is not great. The girl looks a little above average.
Do you have any ballet dancer pictures?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
Subject: Re: Is Mao a god?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:26:28 GMT

In article <BzH3ro.1EI@math.uwaterloo.ca> xltang@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Xueli Tang) writes:
>
>In article <313.9212151719@subnode.bradford.ac.uk>, 90908648@bradford.ac.uk writ
>es:

>
>A false god is what people think is a god, but actually it's an idol or a human
>being or even could be money or anything, it does not bring any real happiness 
>to you soul. An ancient wise man tried just about everything and only found
>emptiness until he turned to God, the creater of all creature. May you also 
>search for the real happiness.
>
>Merry Christmas!
>
>
>




Three of the biggest "false" gods in human history are in
chronological order:  Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammed.

If you rate omnipotence on a scale of 1 through 10
with 10 being the most god like then I would rate Mao only
a maximum of 2 in the omnipotence scale.  Whereas I would
rate the previous three characters all an 8 or higher.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ding@verdon.imag.fr (Ding)
Subject: Merry Christmas
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:16:19 GMT

Hi, Merry Christmas to all the friends in all of the world.
By the way, I expect to say happy new year to the classmates of Xi'an
Jiaotong University.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: fwan4@mach1.wlu.ca (franklin wan 9208 U)
Subject: test, ignoretest
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:00:27 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: 1 dime + 1 quarter = 35 cents(testing kids' IQ)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:04:59 GMT

In article <Dec.14.18.18.17.1992.3094@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes...
>Ok, two coins, a dime and a quarter make up 35 cent, right? Now, can you 
>make up 35 cents from two coins when one of them is not a quarter?
>ZZZ

I am so glad that I was not asked this question by my kindergarden teacher.
Otherwise, I would be labelled as a fool because all other kids who had much
higher IQ answered it correctly; my self esteem would be a mess and my dream
of going to university would stay a dream forever; I would then never be able
to make it abroad and enjoy the free wide world out there. I would also never
have the pleasure of joining this net and seeing all these craps about math
and physics(well, not many physics questions so far).

So lucky the mighty kindergarden teacher did not destroy me!(Sigh)

FY
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:07:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BzF2n5.Jxs@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>
>I. The 2/3 answer: INITIALLY, the probability is 1/3 for each of the doors, 
>   the No. 1 got 1/3. Since the car is found not in No. 3, "so" the No. 2 has 
>   a probabilty of 2/3=1-1/3. 

The No. 1 also has a prob of 2/3=1-1/3 this way, and total is ..., we
got a problem, isn't it? 

Let A1 A2 A3 denote the car is in door 1 2 3 respectively.
P(A2) = P(A3) = 1/3.

P(A2 | not A3) = P(A2 but not A3) / P(not A3) 
               = (car in door 2 but not 3)/(car not in 3)
               = (1/3)/(2/3) = 1/2

The human factor is not considered though ;-)

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:22:42 GMT

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32599 soc.culture.hongkong:16253 soc.culture.taiwan:16159 talk.politics.china:3411
From: lai@Apple.COM (Ed Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: CCP Running Dog
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:48:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec13.182250.1743@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM) writes:
>
>I am glad that you are actually a dog. I would be worried if you
>are a human. No one in SCHK said oneself is a dog, except you.
>I will always remember you are a dog. WHATEVER THIS DOG IS RUNNING
>FOR CCP OR OTHER GOVERNMENT, A DOG IS A DOG!!

This is an important point, these jerks are running dog for ccp, not
for China. We fall into their trick if we let them claim they are
looking after the interest of China. They are not. They are just looking
after the interest of the ccp mafia master. That is why I change this
subject to ccp running dog.

The issue is not China against the British, as the ccp running dogs want
people to believe. The issue is whether the people of China and Hong Kong
can have their own say through democracy, versus the ccp mafia who want
to impose their corrupt rule over China and Hong Kong.

/* Disclaimer: All statments and opinions expressed are my own */
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From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Her name is Noriko Sakai
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:43:31 GMT
Organization: UB

/* fwan4@mach1.wlu.ca (franklin wan 9208 U) wrote */:
* For some of u guys who might want to know about this girl, I gotta tell
* u that she's a Japanese singer or movie star..or something like that,
* and her name is Noriko Sakai...(may be incorrect spelling). Anyway..not
* a Chinese.

That is fine with me. I do not mind. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: Character problem
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:39:22 GMT

In article 5835@midway.uchicago.edu, xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai) writes:
>
>Here is another one.
>Limit to just one additional stroke, how many chiness characters you
>can make from the character "the Sun" or ri4, I can find 10 of them,
>can you ?
>     ____
>     |  |
>     |--|
>     |__|
>   
>
>
>
>Have fun!

Jiu4 (old, used)
Bai2 (white)
tian2 (field)
you2 (oil without the water on the left)
jia3 (Jia3 yi3 bing3 ding1 de Jia3, first in tian1 gan1)
shen1 ("tian2" shang4 xia4 chu1 tou2)
dan4 (morning)
mu4 (eye)
dian4 (electricity)

I can find only these nine.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: wmleolau@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: On the Baby (Re: HK Airport Project
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:45:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.133717.1@cua.edu>, 54yang@cua.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.023850.6180@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
>> 

[deleted]
 
>> 
>> Tell me, does Communist China look after every trivial events taken place
>> in all of its cities/towns/villages?  guess not.  Each town has to manage
>> its own affairs--that's what most HK people are supporting.  
> 
> 
> Now the issue is not between the Central government and a local government
> of China, but between China and UK about HK.  Don't be confused or confusing.
> 

HK government understand more on the present HK situration than the
Chinese government do, and the UK government more or less follow
the HK government's suggestions.  This causes the image that HKites
support UK.  Please, don't confuse this!

Chinese Government said that UK do not cooperate with China for the
transition.  Since UK more or less follow HKites' view, that 
actually is Chinese Governemnt do not cooperate for the adminstation
and transition of HK.

Raymond Kwok
From: news@umd5.umd.edu (USENET)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: No Politics! Please
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:20:43 GMT
Organization: U.of Maryland, College Park, Astronomy

No Politics! Please!
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where did the $1 go?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:15 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <Dec.15.15.30.55.1992.6359@soliton.rutgers.edu>, zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes...
>Again this is NOT a math or phys problem. The purpose of it is only to
>entertain. I apologize if you heard this before. 
> 
>Here we go. Three friends shared one room in a hotel. They paid $30 for 
>the room when they checked in. When they were leaving, 
>however, the manager realized that they should only have to pay $25. So the
>manager asked a waiter to pay them back the $5. But the waiter is greedy,
>so he gave each person only $1 and he kept the $2. Now, the problem, each
>person spent $9, the waiter kept $2, therefore the total is 3*9+2=29. It
>is $1 short. Where did the $1 go?

Funny quetion, each person paid $10 and got $1 back, so the total menoy they 
paid was 3*9=27. The hotel took $25 and waiter took $2, 25+2=27, The budget was 
balanced.







YZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
From: yli@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yanhong Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Nature of Democracy (8)
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:49:17 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci


>1. Use intimidation to threaten her people.  As we have all seen
>in the last two months, the Chinese government have through
>various channels attempted to destory the confidence of the
>people of Hongkong.  I ask you truly from your conscience: would
>any government that cares for her people would do such a thing ?

Why CG want to threaten "her people"?

>2. Kill her own people so as to stay in power.  I won't bother
>saying when and where the Chinese government has killed her own
>people, but you all remember 6.4.  Need I say more ?

This is the only way to keep China from chaos. What would you do
if you were the CG, let the so called D-fighters to rule China?
Look at their behavior if you have enough intrest.

>3. Establish herself as above the law of the land and above the
>constitution.  In the Joint Declaration the Chinese government
>and the British government have clearly agreed to give democracy
>to Hongkong.  The Joint Declaration is a piece of legal document
>that is binding to the signatories of the document.  By refusing
>to allow democratic reforms in Hongkong the Chinese government is
>breaking her own laws.  And there are cases where people are
>detained without trials for periods longer than allowed by
>Chinese laws.  Shall I go on ?

I donot believe you know the Chinese laws very well,even the Joint
Declaration.

>In summary, the Chinese government or more correctly the Chinese
>Communist Party does not care for China or her people.  The CCP
>is the one who want money to line her pockets.  The current
>Chinese government is ***UNFIT*** to rule the Chinese people
>little known Hongkong.  

Who is **FIT** to rule Chinese people? You or Patten? At least at this
time, no other organization is more fit to rule China than CCP.
We can not create the best on the fly, I can only choose the best.
And make it better and better.

>
>Please send your articles somewhere else.  The signal to noise
>ratio in this group would vastly improve.

Since you read J Chen's post so carefully,(even pointed out his 
spelling and grammar mistakes), I would encourage him to post his
next article.
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Dept. of Computer Science                       Good good study                
SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY14260               Up up every day
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Where did the $1 go?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:30:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Again this is NOT a math or phys problem. The purpose of it is only to
entertain. I apologize if you heard this before. 

Here we go. Three friends shared one room in a hotel. They paid $30 for 
the room when they checked in. When they were leaving, 
however, the manager realized that they should only have to pay $25. So the
manager asked a waiter to pay them back the $5. But the waiter is greedy,
so he gave each person only $1 and he kept the $2. Now, the problem, each
person spent $9, the waiter kept $2, therefore the total is 3*9+2=29. It
is $1 short. Where did the $1 go?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jturley@netcom.com (James Turley)
Subject: Travel within China: HELP
Summary: Beijing friend to Hong Kong?
Keywords: china travel
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:14:14 GMT

 I have a friend in Beijing (PRC Citizen high school teacher)  I'd like
to meet her in Hong Kong next February.  Does she need a passport,
travel permission, visa, etc.  How hard is it for ordinary PRC citizen to
travel overseas (independent travel)....

Reply here or by EMAIL....thanks!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:13:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.232419.1023@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>In article <105168@bu.edu> yush@buengc.bu.edu (Guo-Xiang Yu) writes:
>>Look at what happens in US. Although a large propotion of American 
>>don't like Clinton, he still will be their president. What they can do
>>is do it better next time.
>
>They couldn't have done any better this time. Clinton was the best choice.
>Next time? Who knows? Worry about it when the time comes.
>
>>This is real DEMOCRACY! People should
>>respect each other political view.
>
>I totally agree.
>
>>Whether Taiwan should be a
>>independent country or not can only be decided by the whole Taiwan
>>people.
>
>Not so simple. I thought the CCP have, for the longest time, maintained
>that they simply haven't bothered to "conquer" Taiwan, but in their mind,
>the whole nation is theirs after they took over the capitol; and "nation"
>does include Taiwan.

Are you implying that if one beat its opponent in bussiness can take his
wife, children, houses, etc ?

CCP has already got all he could and should get after beaten KMT at 1949 
and whatever left belongs to ROC, or Taiwan.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lamx5870@mach1.wlu.ca (lewis lam)
Subject: Re: a picture of Noriko Sakai
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:13:31 GMT

ZENG Roger Wei Gang (zeng@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:
: Just a suggestion, Maybe you could truncate the uuencode file next time,
: 'cos its big and some sites might cut off articles that are too big. 
Actually, I have thought of that, but I don't know which program will 
do it, since it spends time if I cut it part by part and post it part by
part. Any suggestions for that type of program??! If you know, please
post or e-mail which ftp-site I can find it. (e-mail to me is better,
since I am busy with exam. now, may not have time to read the news) 

Thankx.
                                 Lewis

P.S. The picture is scanned from her album, so....she have to
     be Noriko Sakai.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Yes, those blood-card-ers are "running dogs"  (Re: running dogs)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:13:30 GMT

In article <2B2FB2DD.19647@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>  __|__    __\__    ----             |----|    /   /__   |==|  _\ /__\__
>   /|-|    |---|     /|\    Dare     ||==||   /|-|   |  -----   |/| -|-
>  / |-|      /|/    / | \            |____|    |-| \ |    /|-   | | -|-    ?
>    |-|      /|\      |                        |_|  \|   /\|__  |/|__|__
>             \|
> .............
>
>shannon

Is the last line the answer to all of your questions :-)?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Pinay/Pinoy Follow-up
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino 
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, NJ
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:52:09 GMT

In article <1g8pa0INNrr1@morrow.stanford.edu> GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
>
>       Another  2-cent  addition  to  the  'Theory'..   Some
> people tend to like those who resemble someone  that  comes
> from  their  Motherland.   In  our  case,  Spain  (and  the
> Spaniards).   I   just   heard   this   from   an   upstart
> anthropologist, so I can't accommodate any rebuttal.
>
 I think that since this is the soc.culture.filipino newsgroup
most people here consider the Philippines to be their motherland.
Are you on the right newsgroup?

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
From: Richard_Benton@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Richard Benton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Re:home info please
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: Richard_Benton@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Richard Benton)
Comment-To: Oystein_Ekevik@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Oystein Ekevik)

In a message dated <Dec 07 08:56>, Oystein Ekevik said:

 >OE:  Thanks to all for good advices. I would like know more about 
the 
 >OE:  boycott of
 >OE:  Dagupan Buses. Are any of the major trade-union centers 
involved, 
 >OE:  like the
 >OE:  KMU, NFL etc. Is the boycott effective? 

The placards the pickets at the Quezon City depot were carrying had 
the initials NFL, LADBE and KMU on them, so I guess the answer is, yes,
several of the major unions are involved. I don't know about the 
effectiveness of the boycott at the Manila end (the buses FROM Manila 
seemed to be reasonably full, although maybe there were fewer of them 
than normal), but from Pangasinan, it seemed to be quite effective in 
mid-October -- hardly anyone was on the Dagupan Bus Co. buses I saw 
heading south; people waited until another company's bus came by (even 
though the others had far fewer seats free).

Hope you get home and back again without any trouble!

----------------------------------
Richard Benton
Internet: "bmaori@matai.vuw.ac.nz"

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