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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Searching WHITEHILL and HARLEY in PA
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:03:00 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <1993Jan2.190916.29308@news.eng.convex.com> rcox@convex.UUCP (Robert Cox) writes:
>I'm searching for the ancestors of Joseph WHITEHILL and his wife 
>Sarah Ann HARLEY.  
>
Here are a couple of melvyl references:

1.
Author: Crist, Robert Grant.
Title:  Robert Whitehill and the struggle for civil rights. Lemoyne,
Pa., Lemoyne Trust Co., 1958.
Description:    46 p. illus., maps. 23 cm.

Notes:  "A paper presented before the Hamilton Library and Historical
Association of Cumberland County, Carlisle, Pennsylvania, on
March 20, 1958."

Subjects:       Whitehill, Robert, 1735-1813.
United States Constitution. 1st-10th amendments.
Cumberland County (Pa.) -- Politics and government.

Call numbers:   UCLA    URL     F 157 C8W5

4.
Author: Harlee, William Curry, 1877-
Title:  Kinfolks, a genealogical and biographical record of Thomas and
Elizabeth (Stuart) Harllee, Andrew and Agnes (Cade) Fulmore,
Benjamin and Mary Curry, Samuel and Amelia (Russell) Kemp,
John and Hannah (Walker) Bethea, Sterling Clark and Frances
(King) Robertson, Samuel and Sophia Ann (Parker) Dickey, their
antecedents, descendants, and collateral relatives, with
chapter concerning state and county records and the derivation
of counties of Alabama, Florida, Georgis, Mississippi, North
Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and
Virginia, prepared and published by William Curry Harllee,
assisted by numerous collaborators. New Orleans, La., Printed
by Searcy & Pfaff, ltd., 1934-37.
Description:    4 v. illus. (incl. ports., plans, facsims.) 24 cm.

Notes:  Folded map laid in.
Paged continuously.
Bibliography:   v. 3, p. 2957-2964.
Contents:       v. 1. Harllee section.--v. 2. Fulmore section.  Curry
section.Kemp section.--v. 3. Bethea section.    Robertson
section.Dickey section.--v. 4. Gereral index.

Subjects:       Harley family.
Curry family.
Kemp family.
Robertson family.
Dickey family.
Bethbea family.

Call numbers:   UCLA    URL     CS 71 H22H22
CSL     Sutro   CS 71 H2853 1934


With a whole volume of Harleys, they may mention yours....

Whitehill is a relatively common name in the Hoenstine Genealogical Index,
but no specific genealogy is listed.


Hoenstine Rental Library
414 Montgomery St. (P.O. Box 208)
Hollidaysburg PA 16648
1-814-695-0632

They rent out books for a fee.

Tom
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Subject:      KENTUCKY-EASTERN COUNTIES
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

     [6B I have been involved in a project called the Kentucky Newspapers
 Indexing
Project.  The goal of this project is to index, both subject and personal
names, newspapers in Kentucky.  In doing this project I have indexed quite
a few newspapers in Eastern Kentucky, and have more on the schedule to do.
In these newspapers there are many, many articles dating from the mid 1800's
and up that have great importance both historical and genealogical. I am
thinking of starting a Eastern Kentucky Newsletter featuring some of the
important articles in these newspapers.  I am trying to get a feel for
how many people would be interested in a newsletter of this sort.  If
interested please E-mail me your address and I will get back to you with
more information.  Thanks Allen.


  [5B
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From: ksg@orac.holonet.net (Kevin S. Green)
Subject: EPS family tree ???
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:27:01 GMT

Does anyone have an Encapsulated Postscript file that will print
out a family tree (or any other standard genealogy form for that
matter)?

-- 
Kevin S. Green / ksg@holonet.net OR gargoth@aol.com
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: HENKLE
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:09:52 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%93010216371886@VM1.NODAK.EDU> RIGAUT@FRURBB51.BITNET writes:
>After deleting the original mail about the surname HENKLE and a response by
>Tom Lincoln <lincoln@iris.rand.org> , I had some second thoughts.
>Tom had shown that HENKLE is not unknown as a name, using authors' names in
>MELVYL.
>I ran myself MELVYL, but on HENKEL and HENCKEL, thinking that they sounded
>very German and rather common. I also compared with HENKLE (and HENCKLE).
>The results are I think quite rewarding. First, some statistics:
>- Author, HENKLE: 31 hits (mostly American).
>    "     HENCKLE: 1 hit.
>    "     HENKEL:219 hits !!! (in majority German).
>    "     HENCKEL:43 hits.
It is always fun to play melvyl games, particularly with Jean Paul!

Another netter pointed out that HENKLE is Swiss.

I tried HENK:

Search request: F personal author HENK
Search result:  633 records at all libraries

Mostly Dutch first names (many duplicates)... but some German last names...

350. DISSERTATION
Henk, Otto, b. 1881.
Die Frage in der altenglischen Dichtung, eine syntaktische Studie.
Heidelberg, C. Winter, 1903.

Thus Henkle or Henkli for little Henk....

Tom
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Brenner Surname Index at the LDS
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:45:36 GMT

Does anybody know what this is?

I found this listed under the available records at LDS for Middle Franconia 
area of Bavaria, namely Ansbach.

fred
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W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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From: jdboer@sol.UVic.CA (Johan deBoer)
Subject: Schweinefuss in Alexandria, VA ?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: soc.roots
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 03:13:09 GMT

hello,

Would someone be so kind as to look in the telephone directory of
Alexandria Va for the name of Ralph Joseph Schweinefuss?

He has apparently published a family history which also includes a
history of the Schrichte family (which I am looking for).

BTW, I got this information through FirstSearch! This was really a very
nice system for as long as it lasted, which was not very long. Does anyone
have any insight into why it was disconnected or whether it can bbe
accessed in some other way?

Have good holidays

Johan de Boer
jdboer@sol.uvic.ca
e
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: another question
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:54:32 GMT
Keywords: bavaria ansbach

Just thought of another question.

Those who have scrounged thru the IGI indexes know that the LDS has some 
rather broad categories for areas of Germany. 

The problem with alphabetic inquiry is the spelling/soundex problem.

A name could be stuck underneath thousands of others based upon the soundex 
code. Is there no way to look for anything by city, county or church?

The LDS lists the available records that they have in their library which are 
apparently microfilmed and entered into the IGI. 

Or am I wrong in that they store stuff which they've not keyed into their 
massive database?

As examples I give the just mentioned Brenner Surname Index which may not have 
much function in the IGI, but Churches from 1700-1907 would.

I guess I should call them and ask.

fred
-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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Reply-To:     Suzanne Badenhop <AHCSBB@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Suzanne Badenhop <AHCSBB@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Allen County Public Library

In response to Paul Cowan's request for information, others may
want to travel to use the Allen County Public Library.

The Genealogy Collection at the Allen County Library in Fort Wayne,
Indiana is wonderful.  Having used several libraries, I would count
it second to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City.  The staff
is very helpful.  The stacks are closed, but if you get your call
slips filled out, you can have plenty of books to read.  All of the
US Census films are there as well as a large number of ships lists on
microfilm.  The collection contains a lot of information on German
Americans, probably because many of them settled in that area.

Earlier this week, I asked Tom Kruse what the holiday hours would
be and he responded that the Library will be closed Dec 24 and 25.
They will close at 5:00 pm on Dec 31 and be closed Jan 1st.  Other
than that, they will be open their normal hours:
        Mon - Thurs   9:00 AM - 9:00 PM
        Fri & Sat     9:00 AM - 6:00 PM
        Sun           1:00 PM - 6:00 PM

Yes, take rolls of dimes, as their copy machines take dimes.  They have
a dollar changing machine, and one of the copiers takes one and five
dollar bills.  If you don't have change, you can go to the circulation
desk on the first floor and exhange bills for coins.

Happy hunting.  I hope to be there myself sometime during next
week.
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:08:25 MST
Reply-To:     Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      Libraries
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I was just catching up with my mail after turning in final grades, and
found the following:
---------
The original post was a sterling example of this: "Please let me take a
valuable and irreplaceable glass-plate negative out of the library so that
I can experiment with it."  I get requests every day from people who want
to photocopy rare books.  Of *course* they will be careful, and there may
be a 95% probability that the book will be fine.  What do you suggest I
do about that 5% on the down side?  Just say the hell with it?
I think the historical society person (surely not a librarian) who let
the negative go was a fool.

Charles Ten Brink

------------

Well, gee - I guess that answers any questions I might have about borrowing
anything from the D'Angelo Law Library :-)

Incidentally, for your ROOTERS who are interested in the history of the
western USA, the last word I have from London is that one of the images
produced by the lab here will be used in an upcoming NOVA program (PBS)
special on Butch Cassidy (scheduled for late Feb/early March).  It's
being produced by the BBC (under the "Horizons" program label) and
hopefully will run as scheduled (it was originally supposed to turn
up in late October, but as has noted in several newspapers, the
forensics team looking at the remains from Bolivia did not have their
research completed in time).

THANKS

- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:41:11 EST
Reply-To:     Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
From:         Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Libraries
              24 Dec 1992 15:08:25 MST from <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU. EDU>

On Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:08:25 MST Bob Wier said:
>---------spome text deleted------------
>be a 95% probability that the book will be fine.  What do you suggest I
>do about that 5% on the down side?  Just say the hell with it?
>I think the historical society person (surely not a librarian) who let
>the negative go was a fool.
>
I have had very good luck at both libraries and at historical societies.
When I have needed a copy of a photo, they have offered to provide it
at reasonable cost, and in one case, gave me the negative so that I could
make additional copies if I wished.  Also, copies of printed materials
have been provided too, at reasonable cost.  In fact, they seem to bend
over backwards to help me with my requests.

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|  DICK HAROLD    *   HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET  *   IUPUI INDIANAPOLIS   |
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From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Elements of the perfect genealogical software
Date: 30 Dec 1992 03:38 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I have often thought about what the perfect genealogical software would
be able to do.  I would like to throw this out there for any of you
programmers of genealogical software to consider.

The perfect genealogical software would have two databases.  One, naturally,
would be a collection of records for individuals.  These records would be
linked together to form relationships.  This is the essence of all 
genealogical software. 

Now the second database would be a collection of records for sources.  Each
bit of data recorded in an individuals record could be linked to a record(s)
in the sources database.  

For example:  I have John Smith who is born January 1, 1850 in the individuals
database.  The date of birth could be linked to records 123, 456, and 789
in the sources database.  By some means provided by the software, I could
call up records 123 (bible record), 456 (father's will), and 789 (letter dated
January 1850 between John Smith Sr and his mother).  These same records may
be sources for other information in other individual's records.

Is there a software that does this already?

If not what is the possibility of writing such a software? or a shareware file
to work with an existing software?



Tammy Stark Blandino
From: anthony@cs.pitt.edu (Anthony Kapolka)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Patents
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:03:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

I have a relative who patented "numerous things" during the years 1860-1900.
How can I go about finding out exactly what he patented?

Thanks!
-- 
Anthony Kapolka						anthony@cs.pitt.edu
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Subject: PAF tricks: Adding a second spouse
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:19:00 GMT
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On my previous note, I should have noted that I was refering to PAF 2.1 for
IBM compatibles.
From: jrs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Spencer)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:55:04 GMT
Subject: SPENCER LINE FROM 1385
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.roots

I have inherited a lot of information on the Spencer line through a deseased
uncle.  He traced the line back to a John Spencer b. 1385.  I have a descendent
tree from that date to the present.  The Spencer's came to America in 1630
(although some may have come sooner) when a William Spencer came to New Town,
now known as Cambridge, MA.  William went back to England and pursuaded his
bothers, Thomas and Jared to join him in the new world and they returned to
the New World in 1633.  I am a descendant of Jared and this is the line I have
the most data on.  I would be willing to share GEDCOM data with anyone who 
could help me find out more about the Spencer's.


John R. Spencer  (jrs@fc.HP.COM, (303) 229-3271)

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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:09:00 LCL
Reply-To:     KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
From:         KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      Andrew YEARGAIN, Methodist minister
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I am trying to find out information about a purported ancestor, Andrew
YEARGAIN, who is said to have been the first Methodist minister in Virginia.
He is believed to have arrived in the colonies from Wales in the 1740s.  Is
there a Methodist archives or historical society which might be able to help
me track him down?

Does anybody out there speak Welsh, or can point me in the direction as to
finding out what this name means?  We always believed that it was derived
from the German or Dutch Jurgen, but distant relatives with whom I have
communicated are emphatic that the derivation is Welsh, and this later info
about Reverend Andrew seems to have borne them out.

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@ssd0.laafb.af.mil

Researching YEARGAIN, WYCKOFF, BILYEU/BILLIOU, MILICAN/MILLIGAN, WATERS,
KITCHEN(S), CARNES, CUNNINGHAM, MACDONALD, BURK(E), COOPER, MANNING
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: Library bashing??
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:44:02 GMT

lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson) writes:


>You lost me there, Fred.  "We can't computerize the catalog, so let's
>get rid of it."  How do you find books then?

What I meant is that since the book are only sitting on a shelf and nobody 
knows about them, why not give them to a lIbrary that would catalog them and 
make them available to the world.

fred
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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
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From: rzakon@mitre.org (Robert H Zakon)
Subject: Q:Jewish/Holocaust Computer Searches
Reply-To: rzakon@mitre.org
Organization: Mitre
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:22:06 GMT


Are there any on-line systems where I can perform searches of a
Jewish name, or a list of Holocaust victims?

Please reply directly to address below,
Thanks!
  Robert H Zakon, rzakon@mitre.org
From: jrs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Spencer)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:08:28 GMT
Subject: JACK CARVER LINE FROM 1790
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.roots

I am looking for information on the CARVER line to complete the extensive
amount of research I have been given.  I am new to searching for family roots,
but I have entered everything I have been given into the Family Origins
program and I would be willing to provide a GEDCOM file to anyone who could
help me.

I am also very interested in finding out more about a Jack Carver b.  abt 1790
and immigrated through the Cumberland Gap abt 1810.  Jack and his wife Peggy
Woodcock are the earliest members of the Carver family that I have found.  I
have a pretty complete line of Carvers from that point to the present.  Jack
and Peggy had two boys, Thomas William and Oliver and two girls, Mary Francis
and Ellen Nellie Jane.  I only have the descendants ofThomas William, but I am
interested in the descendants of his brother and sisters.  I also am very
interested in finding out about Jack Carver's pedigree.

I have some historical notes and references to newspaper articles concerning
people and places in Barren Co., Edmonton, Horse Cave, and Railton.

Please email me if you are insterested in the Carver's.


John R. Spencer  (jrs@fc.HP.COM, (303) 229-3271)
From: bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan) 
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: PAF tricks: Adding a seco
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan) 

 O . Several people have said that they find PAF Pedigree (4 on the Family
 O . Records menu) easier than the standard "Add" menu for adding individun
 O .
 O . child).  Anyway, I was having trouble adding second marriages.  If you

Just click on the Add box, and there will be a question asking what you
want to add.  At this point you can add a spouse (assuming you have the
most recent version of PAF).  I see you have 2.1.  There is a free upgrade
to 2.2 available that has this feature.

Happy Holidays,
/Bob

                                                                                                                             
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:17:00 EST
Reply-To:     JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
From:         JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      War of 1812

I just found reference to a Jesse LAME and Caleb LAME who were soldiers
in the War of 1812 from New Jersey.  My wife's g,g, grandfather was
named Jesse LAME but was born in 1800.  As an adult he lived in Philadelphia.
What type of records can be gotten about soldiers in the War of 1812?
Where would one go to get them?
Thank you.

Jim Dunn
BITNET: JWD at PSUVM
INTERNET:JWD@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Researching DUNN, PARKER, MCNELIS, BYRNE, BURNS, WALSH, CAVANAUGH
      LAVIN, CARNEY, PETTIGROVE, HORINE, PELHAM, MEARS, FRESHNEY,
      CANNON, DONOVAN, MONARCH, MEEHAN, DUNLEAVY, AND CARR.
also  LAME, PERKINS, COMSTOCK, FISKE, ADAMS, ROBINSON, PENROSE,
      and MASSEY but less actively.
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Parents, Spouses, Children
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:02:25 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <3396.2B375EA9@catpe.alt.za> Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:
>On <20 Dec 1992 21:32> thomas.t.wetmore..iv said to All :
>
>Thank you for making that very important point. In genealogy it is biological, 
>genetic relationships that are recorded. 
>
Well... once again they are not... merely what we would like to assume them
to be, or believe them to be.

We can return to "Genealogical Evidence" by Noel C. Stevenson, Agean park
Press, Laguna Hills CA, 1989. Part I Chapter I: Paternity, Maternity,
Legitimacy and Illegitimacy... "What is difficult for a genealogist to
explain to a client is the meaning of a "biological pedigree," which simply
means that it is not possible to trace one's ancestry to an absolute
certainty or conclusively." I leave "The Four Seas Rule" to the curious
reader...

In any case, I have to hand a very complete genealogy of the Lincoln Family
by Waldo Lincoln, who did a fine job of tracing the marriages and the
children of the Samuel Lincoln's from Hingham Mass from 1632 to 1924.

I did a little counting of all of the time intervals in the 17th and 18th
centuries between the date of marriage and the first child. 30% of the time
it was under 7 months -- which fits quite well with other studies.

Now I would like to believe that all of those young people were merely a
little hasty with each other, but had no other conflicting interests.. but
everything in my medical experience tells me otherwise. Thus I accept the
records of marriages and births as all being my relatives, under the caveat
given by Stephenson: the law makes the relationship.

Further, it is like arguing that Euclidian Geometry is the only true and
veritable geometry... There are geometries with other rules that are
not only still geometries, but fruitful ways of looking at the world in
their own right.

Pleasant searching!

Tom