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From: groth@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Snake Eyes, Action Camus
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.164444.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>, matmnb@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> Just a brief recommendation of _Snake Eyes_ #2, published by Fantagraphics.
> 
> This is a magazine-size 100 page square-bound anthology featuring some of
> the leading cartoonists from the U.S. The highlight of the issue is
> a 26-page story by Kaz, set in his wonderfully surreal universe. There are
> also stories by Julie Doucet, Kristine Kryttre (a very amusing 1-pager),
> Mark Beyer (an "Amy and Jordan" story; one of his most innovative pieces
> to date), and Jonathan Rosen (an amazing cartoonist, whose strange,
> alienating work seems like a cross between pulp illustrations of the '30s
> and Hyronemous Bosch) among others, as well as some clever 1-page
> deconstructions of the gag cartoon by Mark Newgarden.
> 
> I really enjoyed this book, and strongly recommend it to those who enjoy
> thought-provoking alternative comics. Almost as good as _Raw_...
> 
> .......Marcus Brazil......

Gee, no Action Camus this time?
GRoth
From: campbell3789@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: JUSTICE LEAGUE
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:00:58 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

WHO'S YOUR FAVORITE JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL MEMBER?
MINE IS GUY GARDNER.  LET ME HEAR YOU CHOICES.

KRIS CAMPBELL

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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:15:29 GMT

In article <57138@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Funny this should be brought up now.
>
>The story in X-FACTOR #78 was squarely about abortion...originally.  The
>story focussed on the notion that women were being tested, learning that 
>their children had potential to be mutants, and were considering (or actually
>having) abortions based on that fact.  The final version was watered down to
>the point of so totally obscuring the original story concept (with the 
>addition of the notion that the mutant gene was capable of being extracted
>from the fetus rather than that women were just going to extract the fetus--
>said addition to the story NOT coming from me) that people who read it had
>no clue that it was supposed to be about abortion.
>
>And just to put aside any thoughts you may have--no, the demands for changes
>did not come from my editor, and they did not come from Tom DeFalco.  
>DeFalco, in point of fact, fought for the story (feeling that I had pulled 
>off a touchy subject in a tasteful and fair manner) but was overruled by
>highers up who were still jumpy over all the media attention from the 
>Alpha Flight issue.
>
>PAD

But you did write the words in the dialog, right?  ;-)
Who are these higher ups?  Give us their names, and we'll flame them
endlessly for a week!  Promise.


							John F Sasso


-- 
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From: douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Yes, Its Another Late Terman Reviews (Cerebus
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:13:10 GMT
Organization: The Lion of Serrea

In article <1992Apr10.171642.3344@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, sexkittn@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Caldwell) writes:
> In <1992Apr8.205854.12782@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU 
> (Mutant for Hire) writes:
> 
>>Okay, Sim stated in an interview, that each of the following books will
>>bee an allegory for the corresponding book in the first half of the total
>>run. That is, this first part of Mothers and Daughters will be an allegory
>>for the original Cerebus run. Which means this sucker is going to run for
>>about twenty five issues or so, though Sim may be more flexible about the
>>length of each segment. So 1994 seems like a reasonable endpoint.
> 
> Well, I may be totally misinterpreting here but I thought he said that the 
> 'books' of Mothers & Daughters were to be allegories of the 'novels' in the 
> first half. I don't really see what bearing this has on the length of M&D, 
> since obviously the 'books' are not going to be the same length as the 
> 'novels' and there's no reason to imagine they'll be the same length as each 
> other...
> 
> Then again I'm probably just being obnoxiously pedantic...
> 
> ______________________________[sexkittn@dcs.qmw.ac.uk]
>   ____
>   \  /   "hey, it's not the end of the world"
>    \/     - Famine, sacked for low productivity, on being unemployed

	Besides, the inside covers clearly say that the parts are 151-162, 
163-17something, 17something-188, and 189-200.  There's only 4 parts to 
the thing, and it's 50 issues.  Part 1, the Cerebus the Barbarian section, 
is titled "Flight:" the rest aren't titled yet.  The others are allegories 
for High Society, Church & State, and Melmoth.  No room for argument about 
the length, folks.
From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Can Spidey fight? (was Re: Over used lines)
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:47:07 GMT
	<1992Apr10.075955.28465@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
	<1992Apr10.190716.1288@Princeton.EDU>
	<1992Apr10.211319.8389@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr10.211319.8389@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-dy@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Mikey likes it) writes:


    Sure, occassionally he might win a scrap or two without his s-s, but for the
   most part, at least what I have read, it seems that he always gets beat. i.e.
   Venom.  BTW, has spidey ever really BEAT Venom on his won?  I've seen him 
   fake like he was dead, and seen Venom leave because innocents were around, 
   but I cant remember spidey really beating Venom to a pulp.  OOPS... tangent.


Well without SS, what does spidey have on venom? Venom is move viscous,
stronger, tougher, and faster.

Though Spidey should have experience. He's only been fighting super-powered
villans on at least a weekly basis for most of his adult life.  Very few,
even in the marvel universe can claim that.


--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: stantbat@iastate.edu (John S Sinnott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: How to sell?
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:11:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: vincent1.stantbat.703383065
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Chris (and all you other people reading)-

As for advice selling your collection, I can give you some, but I have
never sold off a large part of my collection.  I have sold individual books, 
and talked to a lot of dealers about the bussiness side of comics, so I feel
I know a little about the subject if not a lot.

First, when going to a store, the owner may NOT have $1000 to plunk down on
a book even if he wanted to.  Remember the story of whoever bought the Edgar
Church 'Mile High' collection?  He made a low ball bid on the comics (my 
guess is $0.25 each) and still couldn't afford to buy them all.  Many shops
are not financed as well as they should be, and live from shipment to shipment.
If they don't have the cash, they don't have the cash.

You mentioned the figure of 60% of guide.  Do you think a dealer will give you
that much?  I kind of doubt it.  Most dealers give 50% in trade or 20-30% 
cash for HOT books.  Things they can turn around quickly.  From the sound
of it, you're culling your collection.  A lot of dealer will not offer you 
anything, and those that do may only give you 10-15 cents a book.

As for the prices of tables at cons, look in the back of the CBG where it
lists upcoming conventions.  Table prices are listed.  They vary quite a 
bit, but I think they start out around $50 for a weekend and go up.  You might
try to find someone to share a table with you.

I'd try the net first.  After all, it's free.  It is a pain typing in all those
books, but you'll probably get the most comics sold for the least investment.

One thing you may have missed is a combanation of the above.  What I would do,
is pull out all the hot comics and try to sell them on the net.  (Be prepared
to get some low-ball offers) Make sure you state thier grade, and if you don't 
post the whole list, at least give some titles so people will know if they are
interested.  (I hate the ads that consist only of: "I have comics for sale,
write for list")

What doesn't sell from this, take to a dealer.  You may want to take a list 
and show it to him first to see if he is interested at all.  If you do take
your comics with you, call first to make sure the guy (or gal) you need to
talk to is going to be there and avalible.  Sell these at a fraction of guide.

What's left, is the common stuff.  Not nessaserily bad, but not in demand.
Copies of The Thing (remember when he had his own book?), Power Pack, Superman.
Midline title that really have no worth.  I'd take these to a con and sell 
them for $0.50/each.  That way you don't have to price them, and you move a
lot of books.  I buy hundreds of comics from 2 and 3 for a dollar bins, and
there are many many great books that no one will pay anywhere near guide
for.  Sorry but true.

This will not pay for you're house, but you'll get something out of it.

Good Luck;

-John Sinnott
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From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: META:  Saving Grace of all this crap
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 04:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.235226.29348@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.153914.2479@athena.mit.edu> bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan) writes:
>
>The problem, I'm sorry to say, is the number of kids in the newsgroup who
>quote heavily, say little of consequence, and generally cost the system lots
>of time and money while not appreciably adding to the group's information
>density.
>
>>Of course, I am a Marvel fan.
>
>Good for you.  Nothing inherently wrong with that, as long as you don't
>waste everyone's time with it (like most of the Marvel fans here).
>
Oh.  And I thought you were talking about the endless (yikes) supply
of pseudo-intellectuals who feel compelled to post the results they
obtained while examining the latest Cerebus under an electron microscope.
Silly me.

-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 09:18:09 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Over used lines
 <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu>
 <1992Apr8.013506.17677@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
 <1992Apr9.045819.20931@njitgw.njit.edu>
 <1992Apr9.183014.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>

In article <1992Apr9.183014.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>,
comp138w142@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Scott) says:
>
>> Anyone else got any Marvel lines that they're sick of hearing?
>
>
>All right, how about Dear old pete and his oft used "You can't hit me, I
>have my Spider-Sense" True, he uses it less than he used to and he doesn't
>allways say it the same way twice but it still bugs me.
>
>Then, of course there's
>"Flame ON!"
>and
>"It's clobber'n time"
>      ^^^^^^^^^
>       (sorry 'bout the spelling"
>
>
>(And I'm sure glad the Silver one got off Earth and stopped complaining about
>how he's stuck here amonst the un-understanding humans :-)
>
>Scott.

I agree about the  frickin' Surfer getting  his moaning little white ass off
the planet so he could stop angsting about his situation (not that he ever
got better in deep space).

However, how can you not have Ben or Johnny give their battle cries?  It's
not  dialogue, its a personal adrenalin surge.  They're yelling that so
that they can feel somewhat confidant in the fact that they can stomp someone.
(Although, a lot of the time the FF usually get their asses whupped by some
cosmic entity, but we still forgive them.)

BTW, I like the mindfuck that Johnny's going through over the death and
anullment of his wife.   Don't solve it.  Don't bring her back.  Leave
Lyja dead, and Johnny  somewhat battered and matured by this.  Also, Ben's
showing some real cold feet towards Alicia, and THAT is what I like.  They
didn't nullify years of history.  It was a real romance between two characters.
And now, Johnny, with his heartstrings ripped out, is feeling it.  I wonder
how he's going to take Franklin's  (temporary) death (tm).  Could  we have
an origin of a Dark Torch?  Face it.  All the chicks he's ever felt warm
in the pants for  (pun intended) either left him and suffered disasterous
marriages,  don't even remember  him (since  when has Nova had a good
memory about Johnny in Silver Surfer?),  or off and FUCKING DIED!!!

This will make some great character development,  especially since now
Ben and Johnny are at an impasse about their sex lives.  Ben even  abandonned
Alicia  on Christmas Freakin'Eve.  That's going back to the sixties and
the blandness of their relationship?  No.  That's characters growing and
trying to cope or not cope with a major tragedy and mindfuck play.

Keep the Johnny's wife was a Skrull story.  It was not stupid.  It was a
classic mindfuck, and why didn't the Skrulls do that years  before?  Pull
someone in with a promise of pussy or at least compassion, AND THEN FUCKING
RIP HIS HEART OUT!!!!  Excellent  battle strategy on the Skrull's part.

It's even better than a mindfuck.  It's a whole BODYFUCK.  Mindfuck,
heartfuck, libidofuck, and possibly even digestionfuck for all I know.
Great  move!.

That, and TONY STARK MUST DIE!!!!

Doug.
From: mkelly@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wildcards (and Lew Shiner rant)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:10:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.181042.28328
Reply-To: mkelly@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 tsait@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai) writes:

|> And while I'm at it, did anyone else not notice that JJ Flash was one of 
|> Cap't Tripp's "friends" until much later (like book 8?). 

	I was pretty clueless too, except that one of my friends let the
Ace out of the bag...if you check book two, especially during the raid on the
Cloisters, you can find enough hints that spell out JJ's true nature.


	The one thing I wish had happened earlier in the series is the first
good ace vs good ace battle. Finally, in Jokertown Shuffle (i tin') we get to
see JJ Flash vs The Great and Powerful Turtle.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       If you crumple your money into little    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu           balls, it will never stick together.   +
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From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Corwit of Amber)
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 10:58:35 GMT

bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>Are the comics based on the "Wildcard" series any good?  HOw many issues were
>ever published?  I've seen the graphic novel in the store, but it had plastic
>sealing it up.  

The comics were OK I guess.  I think there were three issue of the prestige
format (slick cover, perfect bound, ala Batman V. Predator $3.95)

> Also,  does it really matter the order to read the books in after number 1?  I
>can't find number two, and I was thinking of skipping to number 3 and waiting
>to read #2 later.  Will this mess up the time flow?

Not as much with the first 3-4 books, but enough that I wouln't recommend
reading them out of order.  I like the stories myself, but I think they go
radically down hill when the get into the extended story lines (like VII-IX).

As far as I'm concerned, the single best story is Zelazny's in book I, too
bad the character was ruined in later treatments.



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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:30:00 GMT

The first WC comic series/graphic volume was primarily written by
Lewis Shiner (the creator of Fortunato), with the creators of
characters handling sections specific to those characters; different
artists worked on the different sections as well.  Most of it consists
of retellings of the characters' histories, so there isn't too much
there for those who have read all the books.  For those who haven't, I
suppose it could be a reasonable introduction to the series, with some
but not too many spoilers.

A second WC graphic story should be appearing soon in the four issue
Epic Magazine series; but since it's sharing the magazine with three
other features, the total will be about a quarter that of the first
story.  Again, Lewis Shiner is the primary author.

The first, and presumably the second, _are_ considered canonical Wild
Cards material.

      Michael Stoodt
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-notes
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:19:59 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

 Good comments and questions.. maybe I can provide a few answers:

>  Just a few comments:
>  4) Time travel is a good concept, but it has been abused in the comics.Rachel
>     Ahab, Cable, Bishop, etc...too much. Besides if a character prevents his
>     or her timeline from happening, he/she would be altering his own existence
>     so why wouldn't he just fade away as soon as he changes the future?

	One theory might go like this:  Time is not like a river, but more 
like an ocean...it's not all in a straight line.  So, of a character like
Rachel travels back in time, she indeed does succeed in changing things, but 
only from our perspective.  Because we can only see one timeline, ours will 
never likely come to be like Rachel's because of the changes she has been able
to make.  However, it doesn't mean that her own timeline was wiped out, or 
that she should fade from existance.

>  5) Where did the X-men get such advanced techology...this is still the 20th
>     century...

	The X - Men the the oh-so-wonderful-and-super technology for the danger
room, the blackbird and the various suits that they periodically wear from 
two places: 1) The Shi'Ar, an older, more advanced race of humanoids who 
Professor Xavier befriended some time ago (Give me a break, I only have since
Uncanny X - Men # 170 to current), and 2) Forge, whose mutant power is to 
invent anything his imagination can come up with, given enough time.

	Reading it now, the time travel stuff seems a bit shaky, but I guess
I'll leave it in anyway.

					...back to lurking...

							David
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:22:07 GMT

>> The first, and presumably the second, _are_ considered canonical Wild
>> Cards material.
>
>	Which is kind of funny, because the first issue directly 
>contradicts _Dead Man's Hand._  Anyone who's read the book should be 
>astonished at the scene in the comic where Jay strolls around the Famous 
>Bowery Wild Card Dime Museum and checks out the Monstrous Joker Babies.  
>(Not to mention that the book says he'd never met Charles Dutton before, 
>but that's a relatively minor quibble.)

HA HA!!! Finaly someone else agrees that the comics and DMH contridict each 
other. THANK YOU DOUG!!!

-----SCAVENGER

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Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:28:48 -0400 
From: Gregory James Legowski <gl11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Theme Park - BATMAN

The new "BATMAN" ride at Six Flags Great America is an "inverted"
looping coaster.  This is similar to a "suspended" coaster (Iron Dragon
at Cedar Point, Big Bad Wolf at Busch Garderns, XLR8 at Astroworld being
examples of this type of coaster) except that the cars DON'T swing
beneath the rails.  That is, the cars hang from the rails but don't
swing on hinges (not quite accurate but the best description I can come
up with) like the normal "suspended" coasters do.  This allows the
Batman to pull tricks like loops that current "suspended" coasters don't
do...

At least, that's my understanding of it...


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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Subject: META: Splinter Group Suggestion (was Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!)
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:28:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.232923.5641@hal.com>, dougm@hal (Doug Moran) writes:
>c) Wait while groups slowly split off naturally (e.g., r.a.c.strips)
>
>c) Pro -- no huge amount of work required by some poor slob who would
>   otherwise have to run the split.  Con -- will take quite a while;
>   will make little short- or middle-term impact on the volume.  Aside
>   -- is there anything other than strips that we can think of to split
>   off at this time, something that would help decrease the volume?

To show bad form and follow up on my own post:  since it seems as if the
X-titles are the ones that are a hot-button, why don't we splinter them
off into their own group?  rec.arts.comics.x-titles, for discussion on
X-Factor, X-Men, X-Force, and so on.  Or perhaps
rec.arts.comics.mutants.

Just a thought.

dougm
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...)
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:14:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.151614.12805@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr14.002610.24663@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>>>	I don't remember if Rogue has ever tried to use her power on a telepath
>>	She absorbed the powers of a semi-comatose Xavier in X-men 175. She
>>would have gone nutty from reading all the thoughts in the county, but
>>Cyke was able to help her using the techniques that Xavier taught him.
>
>Ah, yes...now I remember... however, as you pointed out, she absorbed the 
>abilities of a semi-comatose Xavier, not a alert and fully defensive Xavier...
>I still wonder about her abilities to absorb his powers if we 
>
>a) Did not want her too...and
>
>b) WAS alert and able to defend himself.
>
>Any comments?

well... my view on this is that he would probably still be absorbed or at least
partially... tho what Rogue absorbed (if everything) would dominate... but that
is only with xavier... take the example of doctor druid in the x-men vs aengers
limited series... she absorbed his powers... and had full use of them... tho 
she took on some of his mannerisms... with xavier he would be absorbed but 
would be in control... not Rogue... 

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
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 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   | I would."   (Nosage, June 91)
	
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