HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: akoh@convex.com (Allan Koh)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.singaporean
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:36:08 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov6.061354.1583@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mfltan@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Man) writes:
>>Mar Siew Cheong (escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
>> Proposed Newsgroup's Name
>> =========================
>>   soc.culture.singaporean
>> 
> Its high time to have a group for the Singaporeans. I support the idea.
> However, I think the proposed newsgroups's name should be 
> "soc.culture.singapore". Easier to call.
>
>Man at The Equator!

    I strongly support the creation of this newsgroup.  The name should be
soc.culture.singapore.

    I also want to know if the Singapore International Foundation would be
able to have access to this proposed newsgroup.  My interest here is because
I am the current President of the Dallas Fortworth Singapore Club based in
Dallas, Texas.  Our Club correspond regularly with the S.I.F.  One of our 
Club's Charter is to keep members informed on news and developments in
Singapore.   

     
     
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From: rafiq@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (RAFIQ ANWAR)
Subject: Re: Re. soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:27:42 GMT

njamil@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nasir Jamil) writes:

>	  AN OPEN CHALLENGE TO ALL THOSE WHO THINK AHMADIS 
>	ARE NOT MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY DO BELIEVE THE PROPHET 
>	          CAN COME AFTER MUHAMMAD (PBOH)


>	Please refer to the following verses in the Holy Quran:

>	"And who so obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall
>	among those whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely,
>	the PROPHETS, the Truthful, the Martyrs and the Righteous.
>	And excellent companions are these.

>	This grace is from Allah, and sufficient is Allah, the All
>	Knowing."

>				C:4, V: 69,70.

>	Take this to moderaters of soc.religion.islam (who think 
>        that they are the AUTHORITY on islam saying who should and 
>	who should not identify with ISLAM), any scholar of Arabic, 
>	Quran, Hadith or any Mullah you believe is literate enough
>	and courage enough to talk about this and ask what they 
>	believe the meaning of these verses are. I challenge that 
>	no one will be able to interpret these any other way but 
>	that there can be prophets from among those who believe and 
>	obey Allah and His Messenger the Prophet Muhammad (pboh). 
>	That the prophethood is the blessing of Allah and is a Grace 
>	which He bestows upon whoever He wants. Allah does not need 
>	the majority opinion or or opinion of soc.religion.islam
>	moderators of His doings.

>	This is the kind of Prophethood bestowed upon Hazrat Mirza
>	Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian by Almighty Allah. And no body dares
>	taking it away from him without invoking wrath of Allah.

>	If you cannot provide a satisfactory answer to the above
>	(and you will not be able to do that), then please STOP 
>	CALLING ahmadis and others NON-MUSLIMS because they do not
>	believe your interpretation of KHATAM-al-NABAYYEEN. I can
>	provide more references to the Quran in this regard, but I 
>	think that this only one verse is sufficient to astound you.

>	And sure we need soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya to discuss
>	this and other issues. Sooner the better.

>Nasir Jamil.

Where are you, Muslims? who say that belief in the absolute finality
of Prophet Muhammad is a must in order to be a Muslim. The above 
quoted verse by Mr. Jamil, is from the same Quran, you Muslims beleive
in! 

Regards;
ANWAR RAFIQ
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.collecting.cards
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:37:23 GMT
Organization: negligable

(Addition to above)

with perhaps an additional group for discussion of things that
are common to all forms of collecting (indexing, etc(?))

	rec.collecting.d
	- or -
	rec.collecting.general

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Philosopher and plowman			|
each must know his part			|	-Richard Hartman	
to build a new mentality		|	hartman@uLogic.COM
closer to the heart!			|
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Guidelines discussion: RFD
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:26:30 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

John Stanley (stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU) writes:
>Richard M. Hartman (hartman@ulogic.UUCP) writes:
>>The initials
>>RFD, CFV etc are clear to the news admins in new.groups who have read
>>the guidelines and are watching for such things.  But using INITIALS
>>to try and get the point across to a bunch of musicians that got on
>>the net to talk about synthesizers may not be clear.
>
>About 10 seconds of reading the first RFD one comes accross will inform
>one of the meaning of RFD: "This is a Request for Discussion...".  The
>only ones who won't know what RFD means are those who don't care what
>RFD means.

That presumes that the RFD in question actually contains these
words. There is no guarantee for that. Yours truly didn't think
this of this, when he posted an RFD recently, and I got what I
deserved; mail asking what RFD means. (Note that all may see it
in news.announces.newgroups, but find it in their ordinary group
where such beasts may be rare.)

Obviously it's sign that I've been on the net too long when I don't
explain what an RFD is.

One could think of replacing RFD with DISCUSSION and CFV with VOTE,
but I don't know. Problem is that RFD and CFV are handy in news.
announce.newgroups, but less suitable in other places.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: talk.philosophy.objectivism
Date: 6 Nov 1992 16:36:30 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <Bx9w7v.997@uunet.uu.net>, amc@cics.wustl.edu (Adam M. Costello) writes:
> I propose the unmoderated group
> 
> talk.philosophy.objectivism
> 
[text deleted]
> 
> I am only just learning about Objectivism, and have a lot of questions.
> There doesn't currently seem to be any appropriate newsgroup in which
> to ask them.

What is wrong with using the existing talk.philosophy.misc. It does not seem
to be a high volume group so rather than creating a new news group, use an
existing one until your topic justifies its own group by the amount of volume.
Unless you can demonstrate that there already is substantial traffic on 
objectivism in the misc group, I will oppose your proposed group.







-- 
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From: erik@maui.til.com (Erik Horstkotte)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.ai.fuzzy
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:36:48 GMT

In article <BxGL4F.7pq@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

|> How about sci.logic.fuzzy?

I like it!  I think that's the best name I've seen suggested so far.
-- 
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The World's Source for Fuzzy Logic Solutions (The company, not me!)
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From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Subject: Re: RFD: SOC.RELIGION.ISLAM.AHMADIYYA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:23:07 GMT

edb@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Ed Blachman x4420) writes:

>How about calling the newsgroup for Ahmadi Muslims
> soc.religion.ahmadiya-islam?  That way it would have the
> world 'islam' in the name, which seems to be of great im-
> portance to Ahmadis, without being placed as a subgroup of
> soc.religion.islam, which seems to be of great importance
> to non-Ahmadis.

>Just a suggestion.

>Ed Blachman	edb@ileaf.com	(or)	...!uunet!leafusa!edb


Your suggestion is great. It may solve some of the problem.
But the opposition to the proposed name:

soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya

is not due to "ahmadiyya" being subgroup of "islam" but
is the use of "islam" in any way by the Ahmadiyya Muslims.
The oponents don't want to see Ahmadi Muslims use 
the name "islam". That is the key to the problem. So
I don't think your suggestion would do any good.

Secondly, "ahmadiyya-islam" exceeds the 14 character digits
separated between "."s, thus is not a valid name.

Sincerely,

-- 
Nabeel A. Rana
rana@rintintin.colorado.edu
LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE.
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (J. Scott Farrow)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:13:41 GMT


In article <BxIHnn.Cw@uunet.uu.net> adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) writes:
>This is the Request For Discussion regarding the proposal to split 
>the newsgroup rec.games.netrek, containing discussion of the game netrek.
>
>rec.games.netrek.announce (moderated)
>Moderated by Alan D. Cabrera (adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu). If anyone 
>else is interested in assisting contact Alan.
>
>rec.games.netrek.programmer (moderated)
>Moderated by Alan D. Cabrera (adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu). If anyone 
>else is interested in assisting contact Alan.

Where on earth did this come from? I haven't seen a thing about it in
r.g.n.

Why would we need such a reorg in the first place? Traffic is just not that
high. If you want traffic, go read comp.os.linux.

Scott
(aka Necron)

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: "BAD" music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:59:46 GMT

In article <cuz.721291798@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu  
(Cousin It) writes:
> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> |In article <1992Nov8.160617.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov  
(St.  
> |Elmo's Fire) writes:
> 
> |I don't think it's absurd to at least indicate the hierarchy that the  
> |group is in. Rec.music.synth was NOT in rec.music.makers.* but it WAS  
in  
> |rec.music.*.
> 
> 	Fine, then you have to add alt.guitar.* and rec.music.makers.*
> and you have an absurdly long subject line which tells you infinitely
> less then the subject line used.
> 

What DID the subject line tell people exactly? What does "Subject: RFD:  
rec.music.makers.* groups" mean to you? Infinitely more? Let's not get  
hyperbolic.

> |I think I have a basis to discuss what I see as a problem with the  
current  
> |process. I'm not whining. Other people (many of whom haven't even read  
> |rec.music.synth) have noticed this conversation and have suggested that  
we  
> |take a look at the problem (do I have to dig up the articles and quote  
> |them?).
> 
> 	Sure sounds like you are from where I sit.
> 

And from where I sit you're being intentionally argumentative to obscure  
the issue.

> |I'd be up for any suggestion that makes the process better than it is  
and  
> |helps inform people in a more direct fashion. Perhaps "RFD: reorg  
> |involving rec.music.* groups" would have been a better choice.
> 
> 	Which addresses exactly ONE of the FIVE votes. What makes the
> synth proposal immenently more prestigious then the rest.
>

Ahem. Isn't rec.music.makers.* under rec.music.*? Wouldn't the word  
"reorg" have been good to use? Doesn't my 10 second attempt even get  
CLOSER to stating the subject of the proposal?

> The
> subject lines have never been a real problem in any other reorg. And
> the subject lines were just as "vague" as this one.

Do you have support for the claim that all subject lines in reorgs have  
been vague and that it has never been a problem?

> What you need is education.

I'm getting one - are you? Do you feel some strong need to look superior  
to me in an attempt to aid your argument?

>The system is not broken, at least not on this point.
> 
Maybe it is.

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Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.policy,rec.music.synth
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: Music Group Reorg Disagreement (was Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:50:41 GMT

fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:
>Ah, so when I'm reading news.announce.newgroups, and I hit "=", I'll see
> 663 RFD: Changing YOUR newsgroup.

So it looks like this, then:

663 This group being changed [RFD: rec.music.synth => rec.music.makers.synth]

That's not perfect but it's closer to what needs to happen.

Why don't you work *with* me on this?
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Possession of a system of knowledge, or any part of it, or an interest in it
or in discovering one, should not be assumed to confer any license or capacity
to operate it. Individual criticisms of a system, incapacity to operate it,
or dissatisfaction with it should not be confused with any shortcoming of the
system itself.
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Music Group Reorg Disagreement (was Re: *BAD*...)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:03:33 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<BxIp73.86C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<1992Nov12.070340.5645@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.070340.5645@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:

   It's not so black and white. I will never admit that the vote must
   stand, but it wasn't misconducted (technically) either. I simply am
   requesting the grey area of a revote. According to guidelines, if
   it was misconducted it would have to be dropped for 6 months. 

Pardon me.  I have the impression that the Guidelines require that
only failed votes must wait 6 months before issuing another RFD.
The Guidelines do not address invalidated votes.  Precedent (which
should be codified into the Guidelines, IMHO) allows an immediate
revote in the case of votes invalidated due to procedural errors.
Which only 2 or 3 posters are maintaining.  The majority of posters
here seem to support the vote.

The majority of posters also seem to support discussion of
modification of the Guidelines.  Which should be in
news.admin.policy, IMO.

--
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    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.std.hl7?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:04:36 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Nov10.223729.24090@u.washington.edu>, barr@stein.u.washington.edu (David Barr) writes:
> I am looking for a newsgroup for the discussion of HL-7 (an application
> protocol for electronic data exchange in healthcare environments).  How
> can I find out if such a group exists?  If this group does not exist,
> how would I go about creating a group?  Would comp.std.hl7 be a good name
> for such a group?

No, a better idea would be to use either

	comp.protocols.misc [or]
	comp.std.misc 

until there is sufficient interest in the subject to require a separate news
group. With the number of standards, the last thing we need is a separate
group for every possible standard.


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From: adc@tardis.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:17:19 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

In article 2@cs.cmu.edu, jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:
> adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) writes
>   [ proposal to split rec.games.netrek deleted]
> 
> Ok, here's a start at the discussion:
> 
>  * Alan's article was posted on November 10th, 1992, 3 days after the
>    beginning of his proposed discussion period.  Hardly a good start.
> 
>  * No-one seems to want Alan as moderator of anything.

This is a good point.  I don't have an all consumming desire to be THE
moderator.  I just want it moderated.  If you want to be moderator be
my guest.

>  * No-one seems to want a split of the newsgroup except Alan and one
>    overseas player who objected to the intra-USA INL flame wars (for
>    whom we could all start being nice and using Distribution: lines)
> 



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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:25:57 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to John Rossi,
 as posted by dave@elxr.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Dave Hayes):
>I don't feel that I was informed enough to vote 'no'.
>I get [rms] by e-mail from a private (unattended) mfeed from BBN (where the
>person who set it up for me has left for anouter job at a non usenet site).

In other words, John person is sponging off their own (or maybe this
other person's) previous employer's machine without their knowledge.
Good example, Dave.  (NOT)

Look, if John wants the rec.music.makers.synth feed so badly, _I_ will
personally arrange for him or her to get it.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
                 just another elitist Usenet administrator
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.synth
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Homosexual Fascist Lobby, Rampant Paranoia Division
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.204122.10543@tc.cornell.edu> riley@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Daniel S. Riley) writes:

>As a not-entirely-bogus analogy, suppose for a second that your local
>election board sent out registration verification cards, but only
>listed the polling locations on cards sent to republicans, not
>democrats, independents, or anything else.

Not-entirely-bonus, either.  Precisely the same message was posted to
rec.music.makers.* and rec.music.synth; all appropriate information
was included therein.  Rec.music.synth wasn't in the subject line of
the CFV?  Doesn't matter: "CFV" was in the subject line, which should
have alerted everyone to a post which is likely to affect the
structure of the group you're currently reading.

-- 
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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.advocacy,rec.games.frp.dnd
From: cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters)
Subject: Re: Call for "Straw" Votes: Rec.games.frp.campaign
Followup-To: cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
Reply-To: cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:54:04 GMT

In article <Bxn3x4.852@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> 
cbnorman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca () writes:

>                            "Straw" Call For Votes
>                         on the proposed NEW newsgroup
>                            rec.games.frp.campaign
>
>                 <note, charter of group follows this message>
>       <note also, changes to charter have been made since last posting>
>
>                        Voting Period: Nov 13th-Nov27th
>
>    This is not an official call for vote for the forming of a new newsgroup.
>This is merely a "poll" to determine whether there is enough interest in
>rec.games.frp.campaign to warrent a full Call for Votes(CFV).
>
>    If you 
>         1) Support rec.games.frp.campaign as it is and believe it should be 
>            created...
>      or 2) Are not perfectly satisfied with rec.games.frp.campaign as it
>            is but do think it warrents further discussion...
>
>    Then respond to this note, in e-mail, with the only text being "I support 
>the further discussion of .campaign."
>
>    If you 
>         1) Are opposed to .campaign...
>      or 2) Do not care, and will not be voting if a CFV is posted...
>
>    Then do not respond to this note.  The purpose of this straw call for 
>votes is to determine if their are 100+ people interested in .campaign. 
>
>Implication of Vote:
>    If less than 100 people respond to this "straw" vote, the discussion
>of the creaton of rec.games.frp.campaign will be dropped.  Otherwise, 
>discussion will be continued, and a formal CFV will eventually be made. 
>
[charter of the redundant group removed]

Hm, so the opposition has no voice in your poll?

I can see the statistics now:

"100% of the respondents supported the new group.

I also notice that you completely excluded the groups *directly affected* by
the change from your poll.  As a favor I have set the crossposting to the
three discussion groups in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy.

-Coyt
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.synth