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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:37:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: dime.46119
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst


>>Someone wrote [paraphrasing]
>>>blorg snirk freeblebleeble...

>metlay writes
>>Izvinityeh, pozhaluista, no ya dumayu...

In article <3696@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson) writes:
>Oooo... bemahmma fluk moogie flabber nerble...

	I must be getting old.  I can't understand all this techno-talk
anymore.  Maybe it's time to take up piano again.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: sjohn@england.ece.cmu.edu (John E. Sasinowski)
Subject: Macintosh Powerbook & MIDI
Organization: ECE Department, Carnegie Mellon University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:59:10 GMT

I am trying to use a Powerbook 170 as a sequencer for my VFX-SD, but I'm
having problems.  I'm posting this in the hopes that someone will let me
know if I'm doing something obviously (or non-obviously) wrong.

I have an Opcode MIDI Translator connected to the serial port of the
Powerbook.  The Portable control panel is set to use external modems.  I have
one MIDI cable connecting one of the MIDI out ports of the Translator to
the MIDI IN on the VFX, and another MIDI cable connecting the MIDI OUT
on the VFX to the MIDI IN on the Translator.

I have been running the midiscope program from ucsd.edu in the hopes that I'll
see something (anything!) being transferred across the cables.  So far,
nothing seems to happen.

I used my oscilloscope to check if there was anything on the MIDI cables.
There definitely are some signals there, but I don't know if they're
correct.

I have tried connecting the MIDI Translator to the printer port, but that
didn't seem to matter.  I've tried setting the MIDI rate to .5MHz and 2MHz
(in addition to the default 1MHz).

On the VFX end, the MIDI Master pages are set to:
	Base Channel = 01
	Send Channel = BASE
	Mode = MULTI
	XPOS = BOTH
	XCTRL = 000
	all the second MIDI page parameters are set to ON

The patch I've been using to test if note-on messages are being sent is
set to transmit on channel 01.

The Sequencer OS is version 2.10.

I realize that this is a very specific problem with possibly little
correlation to other people's setups.  I'm hoping someone can tell me
about something simple that I may have missed.

Thanks for your time.

	John
From: dts@quad.sialis.com (David Sandberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:37:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: quad.160
Organization: Quadric Systems

In <1992Apr15.041933.14067@cdsmn.mn.org> plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate) sayeth:
>In article <JHZ8iB6w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy) writes:
>>Everybody that wants a WAVE, raise your hand.       w
>>                                                    |
>>                                                   /
>
>Five,  no wonder your so into modular synths and Industrial type music:
>The secret is out... You only have 2 fingers!  

Look closer... actually, you'll note he has two and a half fingers.
Which makes for some really wild black-key/white-key/black-key type
of riffs, too!

B-)

-- 
                  _ david sandberg _ dts@quad.sialis.com _
          "Genius waits for no one." --- Writer (pounding on door)
      "But stupidity hammers on a deserted building." --- Crow, MST3K
From: kml21025@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU (Ken Landon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: a used sound canvas gs?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:08:59 GMT


    I seem to recall someone selling a Roland SC-55 GS for $350 used awhile
back.  (Nadine's does $450 new)  Anybody got a used one for the above price?

					Dreaming again

						Ken

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:32:36 GMT


Isn't languages like music ? Isn't that part of the idea behind Zoolok ?

> ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:

   >	Je ne sais pas; mais, peut-etre si vous posez le question en anglais,
   >il y sera plus de personnes qui peuvent repondre.

   Nan da, kore wa? Furansuga mitai da ne. De mo, sukoshi wa wakaru. Ichiban
   saigo no bun wa, "Moshi, eigo de shitsumon sureba, dare ka ga kotaeru
   kamoshirenai" da to iu imi da to omou.

JA ! L}t oss alla glatt kasta oss in i en glad orgie av nationella spr}k
som bara en liten liten del av l{sarskapet f|rst}r. Det f|rsta var franska,
alldeles f|r l{tt. Vad var n{sta ? Japanska ? Mindre l{ttf|rst}eligt f|r
de flesta v{|sterl{nningar. Svenska f|rst}s av kanske 15 miljoner m{nniskor,
p} sin h|jd.

Vad kommer h{rn{st ? R{toromanska ?

-- 
h+@nada.kth.se; Jon W{tte, the Diplomat - NOT!
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Is there a Proteus Mailing List ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:17:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


Given the lack of response to this posting I'll assume that there is NOT 
a mailing list for the EMU Proteus. 

I did get a few mail messages expressing interest in having one created.

So, let me rephrase:

   HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A MAILING LIST FOR THE PROTEUS ?

If interested, send my a message at daver@hpgrla.gr.hp.com.

If there is enough response, I will investigate setting one up.

- Dave -
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:04:12 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: JV-80
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.edu

>From: Neil Weinstock <nsw@com.ATT.CB.CBNEWSM>
>Subject: Re: JV-80
>
>In article <9204071458.AA19885@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
>writes:
>[ ... ]
>>The problem with the JV-80 is that
>>it is just another 'me-too' unit which is rather limited, and when compared,
>>say, to a D-70, makes you wondering in which direction Roland is really
>>'progressing'.
>
>OK, I'll bite.  In what way is the JV-80 limited compared to the D-70?  I'm
>

Main differences (in the synth engine, the JV-80 should walk all over the D70
                  as far as ROM goes):

-DLM
+Ring Modulation.

Now I wish to step out of this thread while other people argue about
which of these is "better".

Ross-c
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: JV-80 vs U-50 (was Re: JV-80)
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:00:44 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <585.9204081304@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:
>>From: Neil Weinstock <nsw@com.ATT.CB.CBNEWSM>
>>In article <9204071458.AA19885@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
>>writes:
>>>The problem with the JV-80 is that
>>>it is just another 'me-too' unit which is rather limited, and when compared,
>>>say, to a D-70, makes you wondering in which direction Roland is really
>>>'progressing'.
>>OK, I'll bite.  In what way is the JV-80 limited compared to the D-70?

The answer to this question depends on what particular criteria you're using
to judge the machines. For instance:

>Main differences (in the synth engine, the JV-80 should walk all over the D70
>                  as far as ROM goes):
>-DLM
>+Ring Modulation.

That's basically true; the units have, I believe, identical numbers and 
arrangements of LFOs, envelopes, signal chain, and so on. The sound 
quality in the samples appears to be about identical in the two-- the 
primary difference is, as Ross pointed out, that the JV-80 has a much
larger ROM chunk and is more easily expandable to significant sizes.

I personally won't touch whether DLM is "better" than Ring Mod. Nick 
would probably say Ring Mod, because that's what he's used to from his
work with the D-50 and now D-550; I know a couple of people who claim
to have done interesting things with DLM, though, and prefer it to RM.
It appears to be a matter of taste.

As far as user interface, the JV-80 has one advantage over the U-50,
namely 8 sliders instead of 4. Both machines have the two MIDI sliders
on the left side which come in handy. But the U-50 has the 76-note 
keyboard with relvel, the huge LCD display as opposed to two columns
of characters (the one thing about the Wave I'm not looking forward 
to-- the .GIF shows a 2-column display although Georg claimed it had
a 640x400 LCD), and the MIDI-capable buttons under each slider.

So in terms of synth engine, they're about equal with an edge to the
JV for ROM. But I can say pretty comfortably that I'd never have 
bought a JV, and I'm quite happy with my U-50 for doing what I needed
it to do, namely provide me with a vel/press/relvel 76-note keyboard
with six MIDI sliders and two MIDI pedals in addition to the damper
and pitch/mod everyone has. I suppose I could have waited until the
Alesis S5 came out and hoped that it had everything I needed, but Rothwell's
Law applies, and no one really knows how the S5 is going to be set up
anyway. The U-50 was and is perfect for my needs; the JV-80 isn't.

Remember the Holy Mantra of r.m.s.: "Thy Mileage May Vary, my son."

--
metlay    | "Now, why can't I buy a decent Venetian cutaway 76-key master 
@minerva. |  keyboard in flamed maple with full body sunburst finish?
phyast.   |  (and gold Schallers, whatever they are.)"
pitt.edu  |                                               --Nick Rothwell
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Yamaha TX81Z problem - HELP
Keywords: hums, noises, help
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:30:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr9.055656.5696@sequent.com> cliffw@sequent.com (Cliff White) writes:
>my Yamaha TX81Z is emitting a *mechanical* hum..

        So does mine.

>What does this mean?

        It means that the coils in the power supply transformer are slightly
loose, and are producing microphonics.

davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
From: anis@kawai.Eng.Sun.COM (( ))
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Yamaha DD-11 drum Pad/machine ; where
Keywords: dd-11
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:56:26 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kawai

Hi all,


Does any of you know where to find a Yamaha DD-11 machine and for how much.
This is supposed to be the succesor of the famous DD-5 machine with Pads
and newer sounds with midi. 

Doesn't it make a nice/cheap ?  drum machine controller...

anis
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Excuse me???  (re: --> SALE: proteus,proformance,tg77,dss1,lxp1,vp70,avalon,midiquest)
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:47:44 GMT

In article <".6-Apr-92.13:57:09.EDT".*.Marc_W._Webster.henr801c@Xerox.com>  
webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM writes:
> 
> >                  * HARDWARE SALE *
> >
> >*  EMU Proteus 1 XR (extended memory), great condition with manual and
> >   warranty card, $610 (current high bid $610)
> >
> >*  Lexicon LXP-1, great reverbs, delays, chorus, flange etc, original box
> >   and manual, perfect condition, $370 (current high bid $350)
> >
> ....
> 
> Hey Darius, what's this advertising the Lexicon still???  I was under the
> impression we had closed the deal and you were mailing it to me.
> 

Hmmm... I once tried to close a deal with Darius on the VP-70,
but he would ignore email for weeks at a time... and then contact
me again.  After several reps, I gave up and bought something better
(The Vocalist) new.

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:09:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd.1992Apr16.231050.21156
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <205016@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes...
>Well, count ME in.
> 
>But I don't think Waldorf would run an ad saying that they shipped a ton of
>them to a group of people who put together a bulk order because that was
>the only way they could afford the damn things.

Sound of brain-reset.  "You're right."

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Hey, what *is* that thing?  It looks like a telephone
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  switchboard trying to mate with a Hammond organ!"
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: re: practicing vs. programming (was: Usenet tape depression)
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:41:52 GMT

 > > Oh, and by the way, I usually end up practicing on my acoustic piano (better
 > > than even analog!  Sorry Metlay!! :-)
 > 
 > But acoustic piano *is* analog!  That's why it's so "insanely great"...!

Pitiful modulation routings, tho. :)

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.bluenote
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: How Engineers make music (was Usenet Tape depression sets in)
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:22:19 GMT

sherman@induce.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:

>This brings up another old debate which concerns the nature of art....
>[...]
>
>My own opinion is that it is all art so long as someone thinks that it is art.
>My art includes the software that I write as well as the sequences that I 
>program.  True, as an engineer I try to define and to live within constraints.
>But, I am also smart enough to "blue sky" it every once in a while to enlarge
>my borders.  Folks who are undisciplined may THINK they are "free" and 
>unhindered.  But, what sometimes happens (as with rockers stuck on I-IV-V
>progressions, for one blunt example) is that they do not see that they are
>so confined that they barely have room to breathe.  True freedom involves
>first being aware of your boundaries, then enlarging them.  It seldom results
>from pretending that there are no boundaries, IMO.

I couldn't agree more.  To me, music [and, generalized, all art] is
more than just the physical representation of the piece.  It also
encompasses the creator's attitude toward his work, the creator's attitude
towards his audience, and the audience's en masse attitude in return.  It
is with this approach that I can find redeeming qualities in such farflung
artists as Billy Joel, Erasure, Sun Ra, J.S. Bach, and Stock-Aiken-Waterman.
All have completely different approaches to their art [even though it's all
essentially keyboard music], with different purposes in mind.  Every work
of art has context, which I feel many highbrow purists prefer to ignore
when faced with something other than their pet style of music.

I agree that true freedom involves being aware of and expanding your
boundaries, but it also helps if one realizes that one's idea of what
the boundaries are is not the end-all-and-be-all of the art Question.
-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
As you're cleaning the orange carpet, you will hear a voice that says, "Fetch 
my cigarettes."  Another voice will say, "THEY'RE ON TOP OF THE REFRIGERATOR."
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Looking for Analog Drum Machines
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:19:08 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

smithj@hpsadlu.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:

> five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)  writes:
> >Does anyone have any?  If so:  
> > 
> >1) Which?
> 
> Well, I've got this old Univox beat box that I've wanted to get rid of...
> 
> >2) Is it for sale?
> 
> Yeah...
> 
> >3) How much?
> 
> Real cheap. $20+postage?  
> Not all of the drums work, and it's not programmable.  I
> think its big claim to fame came on "McCartney."  It sounds like an
> old organ rhythm box to me.
> 
> The only problem, Ric, is that I don't think it's worth the postage for ya!
> On the other hand, I kinda had my doubts about the Paia, too, so...
> 
>                  - Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
>             Yupatupata da yupadupa chickida, Icktang icktang, 
>             Ickitack tangdow, Rickitickatar ticka chingtar da.
 
My desire for analog drum machines has been temporarily satisfied! :)
 
I got the Boss Dr. Rhythm DR-55 that I was given, to work at about 90% of 
it's original intent (???).  (There's only 1 minor problem left with it).
I may have lined up a 2nd one, for free, that I will use to alter the 
drum sounds on, and to add a sync input (I have access to the original 
service schematics).
 
And today, I was lucky enough to get a Kawai XD-5 drum synth (with a 
Roland TR-808 kit, as part of it's waveforms).
 
These will keep me happy in the analog drum department for a couple of 
months.
 
I'm only looking for programmable drum machines though.  :)
 
Five


;--- (skinny puppy) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: Webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Anetek "Wind Machine" (pocket breath controller interface)
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:18:10 GMT


afters several unsuccessful tries at making a breath controller interface
(since I replaced my KX-76 with a A-50, I lost breath control ability), Anetek
comes out with a pocket breath controller called the "Wind Machine".  Cost is
$99.  Basically it is a box with breath controller in, MIDI out, MIDI in, 12V
DC power in -- requires a wall wart  :-(   It also has a 8 switch DIP thingy
for chosing MIDI channel, controller type (breath, aftertouch, volume, etc).

It works with both the Yamaha BC-1 or BC-2.  You blow in and out comes the
controller (breath, aftertouch, whatever you chose).  It has a built in merger
so that it merges the MIDI in with the controller data to the MIDI out, i.e.
you can insert the Wind Machine into a MIDI chain.

Works great -- I used it at a gig the night I bought it.

marc webster
From: barnhill@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MAC V. CHEVY?  FORD v. PC?????
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:50:35 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	I sure wish one thing about the Mac interface was different.  Whenever
I use Windows, it gives me personal feedback, which I never get from any of
my Macintoshes.  This personal feed back is:  UNRECOVERABLE ERROR, REBOOT (or
whatever that damned message is, you'd think I'd remember as often as it
happens).  I hate to get into Ford Vs. Chevy, too; I own one of each, as
it happens.  I own a couple of Macs, and one PC, also.  I use my Macs a
lot more than my PC's.  I have a NeXT as well.  I use it a lot for things.
I use them all for different things.  Sometimes I do things "wrong" because
I try to do something the way that it is done on one of the other systems.
Then I go the the VAX and really screw up.  I sometimes try to shift my
Ford, reaching for a lever in the console.  There is not a lever in the
console, in fact, there isn't even a console.  I err at times, because I
either don't recall what I should, or because I don't understand fully the
system, vehicle, toiletries which I am working with, however, I rarely
complain that it is the fault of the designer, particularly when within
the design things are consistent.  Windows is consistent, anytime you use
it you can count on that good ole' unrecoverable message; the mac is very
consistent, in fact, that's the beauty of it, as is the NeXT.  Personal
preference remains with those two systems, with their consistent internal
logic of operations, and consequent ease of use for me, the humble and 
fallible.
	That I consistently blow up windows, and find that it is not nearly
as "attractive" is my personal preference; I cannot honestly say I would
use it by choice.  It is not exactly equivalent to Ford v. Chevy, as my
Ford is our people & things mover, our Chevy is a Corvette and it's purpose
is to MOVE, period.  Nonetheless, to find this uninformed, arbitratry sort
of discussion about "Mac v. Windows" going on here is distressing, and a
real waste.  If you don't like the Mac, get offa de pot and gets yerself a
Humondo 486 Zowiemeister with a Bloowser Card and all that, if that's what
you want.  Then wait for the software.  And wait. And wait.  It's coming,
just you wait, Bill Gates wouldn't lie to us, would he?  Microsoft, who
appropriated the old Bell System slogan, "We don't care, we don't have to."
	So, there I went off.  I just had to get it over with, I get so tired
of that argument.  Still think it's Ford v. Chevy, but I do have an opinion
of which is better, in this case, but...it's not important, and it is 
certainly not music.
	db
From: rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:50:58 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Research Lab, Digital Equipment Corp.

In article <35034@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:

   From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
   Date: 8 Apr 92 00:54:00 GMT

   People, making fun of a native speaker of a language that you don't happen to
   understand is impolite, and makes you look like a hick.   The original posting
   looked to be in a natural language that I expect someone on this group to
   understand and be able to respond to. Maybe you guys are offering constructive
   advice in pidgin-Tralfamadorian, but I don't think so.

Well, actually, Eirikur, I'm afraid you've misunderstood that
whole exchange.  Yes, there were a few in made-up languages,
but most were simply meta-level comments in other langugaes.
(Off the top of my head, I recognized replies in French,
Japanese, Swedish, English, Spanish, and Australian.  There
were other real languages I couldn't identify.  Several
of them (mine included) make more sense if you have international
software).

You see, it was apparent from the start that the original
poster had simply made a small innocent mistake, and posted
some random unix-related question to the wrong place in the
wrong language.

And we know that Mr. Marco speaks perfectly fine English, since
he subsequently posted just fine in that language.

It would certainly have been impolite to complain about the presence
of a foreign language in this group.  Nobody was making fun of him.
If we were to be unhospitable, it would be the Unix aspect we would
complain about, not the French!

No, the real message here was that we are a linguistically diverse
group who find the idea of a variety of languages is a fun thing.

But nonetheless, if you want to reach everyone, you should post
in the language we all understand, which on this newsgroup is
English.  If I want to ask a question on fj.comp.music, I'd post
in Japanese, because that's the common language there.

I assumed that when Mr. Marco saw his message in French regarding
a unix termcap problem appear in this newsgroup, he reposted his
question to some more appropriate group.  I assumed he didn't need
my help to do that.

Someone replied in French suggesting he try again in English.
Someone replied to that in Japanese, speculating that it was
French and trying to translate a bit of it, and wondering about
Japanese-speaking readers of this group.  So I responded.

Now, none of this is particularly helpful, but neither is it
derogatory.  And as I've said, I don't think Mr. Marco was
really in need of our assistance in the matter of proper
posting anyway.

I don't think he would be offended by any of this, but if I'm
wrong, I certainly apologize for inadvertently contributing to
any embarrasement.
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