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From: trsajo@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Johansson)
Subject: Re: Yamaha TDM 850, comments wanted.
Reply-To: trsajo@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:00:03 GMT


Is there really noone out there that has any experiance, firsthand or not, with
this bike??? Is it really that ugly? (I think NOT!).

Another question that I thought of is wether there are any differences between 
the -91 -92 -93 models? Were there any problems that now has been corrected?


In article 19787@eua.ericsson.se, trsajo@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Johansson) writes:
> 
> I am thinking of trading in the old R100RS for something new, and since
> I prefer shorter (20 - 200 miles) trips on twisty and sometimes bumpy
> roads some kind of off-roadish bike interests me. And YES, I love unpaved
> roads, with lots of gravel! (The R100RS prefers tarmac, but copes pretty well
> with most surfaces. It's a bit heavy though, especially when it slides ;-)
> 
> The TDM appears to have the same riding position as an off-road bike, but
> how does it handle bumps and unpaved roads? Should I get a Transalp instead?
> (No, the Africa Twin is to heavy!). The KLE 500 also looks interesting, but 
> I've already got a dirtbike (KDX 200), and 500cc is a bit small on the road.
> 
> Two cylinders is better than one (less vibrations I hope :-), and 850cc should
> provide enough pover (77hp i think). 
> 
> What I really need is a bike that is perfect for shorter trips, sometimes two up,
> on twisty, bumpy, sometimes unpaved roads. It should also be possible to put some
> luggage on it and make a longer trip 1-2 weeks a year. The R100RS is perfect for 
> these 1-2 weeks (or more...) vacations, but the rest of the year... 
> And a CBR900 doesn't handle unpaved roads that well, or does it? Maybe I should
> try one of these as well :-)
> 
> Any comments on the good's and bad's of the TDM 850 would be appreciated.
> Especially the following:
> 	-Can it handle both paved and unpaved roads? preferences?
> 	-Vibrations? At what speeds?
> 	-At which speeds does it cruise happily? (I hope up to 80 mph)
> 	-How long can you cruise at 60 to 80 mph before getting tired of windblast
> 		and vibrations? (I'm 5'10" , 176cm, tall).
> 	-What mileage can I expect?
> 	-Is the engine torquey or peaky? (Displacement and bhp is similar to R100RS,
> 		which leas me to suspect similar, ie nice characteristics).
> 	-Does it break down often? How?
> 	-How easy is the maintenace to do for your self? Do I need lots of Yamaha
> 		special tools and very small fingers to get at things hidden behind
> 		layers of other things, ie bike always seems to be built around
> 		the faulty part? ;-)
> 	-Does it hold its value, or should I look for a cheap almost new bike?
> 	
> 
> I just have to find one of these for a test ride, as soon as the winter is over!
> 
> 
> Anders Johansson
> 
> 




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From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Prices of bikes in Europe?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:22:57 GMT

In article <1ib584INNnoj@agate.berkeley.edu> dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook) writes:
>
>Really, a friend of mine just got one at BMW of Marin and payed something
>like $10,900 out the door! She also traded in her three year old K75S. It
>was the only lemon K75 that I've heard of, spent more time in the shop 
>than out on the road. 
>
>Does anyone have ideas why they are more expensive there than here?
>
I suspect it's a combination of things. There's the VAT (value add tax)
versus the US federal import tax. The VAT is built into the price of goods 
in Europe as opposed to the various add-on taxes we get here in the States 
(sales and excise here in Taxachusetts).

Secondly, rumor has it that the K75 is a loss-leader in the States. Apparently
it's as expensive to build a K75 as a K100 but the market just won't bear the
cost of a >$10K 750.

Also Germany is BMW's largest market and has few competitors as opposed
to the US which is a small market and is very competitive. I believe BMW NA
has major influence on the setting of prices at beginning of year. The 
big increase last year was due to the falling dollar vs. mark and the
rising cost of inventories. BMW RA had an article last month comparing the
pricing of US vs. Europe - we're getting BMW's at bargin rates compared to 
prices in Germany. BTW: a friend of mine bought a Harley last year in Munich 
and the model here was around $10,500 and it cost him $17,000. He considered
buying one here and having it exported, but after the charges and retrofit
to comply with German emissions, it would have cost about the same as
buying local. Funny that.

-John
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From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Re: Bell Helmets
Keywords: helmet Bell
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:33:27 GMT

moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:

>I wouldn't ride a motorcycle or 
>bicycle without a helmet, but I believe riding without one is even 
>crazier for a bicyclist than for a motorcyclist.

>(Say Mr. Attorney, once when I "used" my Bell Biker, I suffered a fractured 
>helmet and a subdural hematoma. Should I have sued Bell? Is it too late?)

>Steve
>COG, HOG, AMA, DoD # 1951



>__________________________________________________________________________
>Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
>Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
>University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
>Seattle, WA 98195


My wife used to commute within the city by bicycle, with a helmet, and it
always scared me to see bikers overtaken by cars on some of the narrow
Philadelphia streets.   Seems to me that a motorcycle would be safer in
those circumstances.

Sorry I tried to explain why I was reading a prospectus.  Should have
realized that is no real explanation.  As to your injury, there are
a bunch of plaintiffs' lawyers in Seattle, but the only lawyers I know
there (or pretty much anywhere) are on the defense side.  Bell is still
around to be sued.

Chris
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From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:29:06 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]To compete with more modern sport machinery, BMW would have to raise the 
]]horsepower of their flat 4s, extensively retooling and redesigning not only

]]their engines.  Their chassises and powertrains would need modifications to

]NOT!
]Luftmeister offers a turbo for the K100 which requires
]minimal modifications (clutch plates) to handle the additional hp. No
]chasis mods are required.

John is right here, the bmw engines are significantly overbuilt and then HP
restricted. according to my local shop, you can add the luft turbo kit and
not void your warranty on the bike. would any of the <other brand> 
manufacturers replace a snapped crank, or a broken rod, or a holed piston 
free of charge if you put a turbo on your bike (that didn't come with one)?

btw: if my dealer is right about that turbo warranty thing, I may just
have to do that... :-)

]Sure, in theory I'll never win at the dragstrip - but ya know - I don't 
]spend much time at the dragstrip.

with all this ZX-6 dethrones CBR garbage being tossed around, this is a
good point to remember. so the ZX-6 has a couple miles on the top end,
and a few tenths in the quarter. for how many of you does that equate
to "my ZX-6 will totally blow away your CBR!"? damned few I would suspect.
if any bike 'unseats' some other bike it's becuase the bike does something
differently that it's particular owner prefers, nothing else. how many of
you that bought the 92 super-ultra endall sport rockets are just a little
frustrated that the 93 is bigger/better/faster/more ultra? if so then you
bought for the wrong reasons.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com

        mcad.dunham-frodo[ 10 ]%make witches\ burn
        Make:  Don't know how to make witches burn.  Stop.
     Ergo, it must be the wizards." -- Jerry Dunham
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From: jhall@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Joel Hall)
Subject: bike purchase?
Reply-To: jhall@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:34:58 GMT

I plan on getting a motorcycle to tour (Western) Europe this summer and I
was wondering if it would be cheaper to buy it here and ship it
over or purchase it over there and ship it back after my trip.

P.S. I plan on buying an American made bike, probably Sportster 883 or
     1200.

Thanks for any info anyone may provide me with.

Joel
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From: mtc@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael Trevor CUTTER)
Subject: Lowering the top revs of BMW R100RT - can it be done?
Keywords: BMW
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:15:06 GMT

Gudday All,
	I am thinking of changing the gear ratios on my BMW R100RT. It revs
3650 at 100k and 3000 at 80k in 5th gear, and 3250 at 80k in 4th. I think there
is plenty of power there to drop the revs to 3000 at 100 in top, maybe keeping
4th where it is to retain acceleration for overtaking. The revs diff between
4th and 5th hardly seems worth it. I never go over 160 (on rare occasions), and
prefer cruising at 80-90 to maximise fuel economy (18k/l on my last tour) (or
5.5l/100k for everyone else :-). Will it work? Is it possible? Is it worth the
fuel savings? 

Any suggestions? I have yet to talk to my local Boxer expert, but he's Chilean
and doesn't speak brilliant English, so I thought I'd try the net out.
Anyone else done this before?

Please email me, and I will post a summary. Posting here too is ok, but I get
nasty glares from the boss when I read this group, even during lunchtime :-(


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Ictinus Network Development Team             mtc@arbld.unimelb.edu.au
BCAT Development Team                 snail: c/- 3 Barton Street
Department of Architecture & Building        Hawthorn, VIC, 3122 
University of Melbourne, Australia           AUSTRALIA
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Summary: what sig
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:22:32 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1789@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
> 
> 
> I am part Scottish. I have a kilt (see my sig for the clan and 
> sept). 

Sig, WHAT SIG?

obmoto: I have periodically thought of having a strip of Gunn tartan
glued to my helmet, a la Jackie Stewart, or across the back of my racing
leathers, like a dancing sash.  Never got around to it though.  Maybe the 
next set.
 
Janet Gunn (my clan is my sept is my name)
gunnj@nmi.com


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From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Subject: Personal strobes
Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 03:15:07 GMT

I think this item was mentioned before on this net, but I will refresh          
and remind.  I was wandering through a "Early Winters" catalog for              
winter 1993.  They showed a small strobe for personal use.  The thing           
looks to be about the size of a couple of walnuts, uses 2 AAA batteries         
for a claimed 200 hours of use.  It claims to be weatherproof.  The             
light source is "super-luminescent LED's that blink 6 times a second."          
It is claimed that it is visible from 2000 feet.                                
                                                                                
Item No. 6825 for $16.95, order toll free from (800) 458-4438.  It is           
called a "Vistalite See-Me Super Strobe."                                       
                                                                                
I was thinking that for traffic situations or night riding in limited           
visibility situations or rain on a busy road or most any other time when        
being seen is a Serious Matter (tm) a couple of these things on a bike          
or even on each arm (they come with a strap for wrapping around things)         
might make the world of difference.  The price doesn't seem outta line.         
                                                                                
Does any one use these things?  Any experience to relate?  Any comments?        

I wonder if they are legal for use on a motorcycle, or on a motorcycle 
rider?
                                                                                
Ride Bright,                                                                    
                                                                                
Bill                                                                            
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From: websterm@uproar.enet.dec.com (Mike Webster)
Subject: Re: Yamaha XJ900- comments wanted
Reply-To: Mike.Webster@ime.mts.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:44:03 GMT



  Yamaha still sell them in the UK. I bought a 91 model in 92
  and have just seen the 93 model at the Brum bike show.

  A good all round motorcycle, introduced in 83 in the UK as a 
  largish sports bike now selling as a sports/tourer.

  No complaints with mine at all, 4000 miles in France last
  summer and not a problem. Left St Tropez at 1pm Saturday and
  was in my local pub by 7pm Sunday with a B&B stop just North
  of Dijon.


  Cheers Mike.
  London UK.
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From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Personal strobes
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:38:14

In article <whoop! whoop!> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green) writes:
   In article <eeooeeooeeoo>, johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
   >Item No. 6825 for $16.95, order toll free from (800) 458-4438.  It is 
   >called a "Vistalite See-Me Super Strobe."   

   A strobbing red light will not increase your visibility over
   the same power light at DC.

Thank you for playing.  For a given time-averaged luminance, a strobe
light of any color is much more visible than a similar-luminance DC light.
That's because (A) you can get much higher (momentary) luminance with a 
strobe, and (B) your visual system percieves rapid changes (light flashing
lights) differently, and more effectively, than static objects.

Vistalites and their derivatives are very popular for bicyclists here
at Stanford.  They help a *LOT*.
--
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From: mgsmith@hpl.hp.com (Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance Scum
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:29:26 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

   >	I'm not looking for free legal advice (it's already pretty clear  
   >I'll have to get a lawyer and take it through the courts), but I'm  
   >interested in hearing others' experiences with deadbeat insurance  
   >companies.  What gets them off their ass and what doesn't?  I figure as  
   >long as they're trying to weasel out, I'll keep making a tremendous pain  
   >in the ass of myself to them.  Gotta get your kicks somehow.

Tell the insurance company that you will get a lawyer if they don't
pay because often they will not pay until they absolutely have to.
If they still won't pay, get a lawyer but wait until you are sure
that it is your only recourse.  I was in a similar incident and
the lawyer walked away with significantly more money than I did.
You see, insurance will pay for medical bills and missed work
(though I hope your accident wasn't that bad) and then they will
through in some money on top of that for pain and suffering
(I think the suffering part is having to deal with the insurance 
company).  You of course don't really get the money for the medical
bills and missed work.  You only get the pain and suffering part.
The lawyer, being the most important creature in the universe, of
course gets 1/3 of everything (except for damages to bike for some 
reason).

One other thing.  Make the insurance company pay for new
helmet and any clothes/jacket that were damaged!  

Mike Smith
HP Labs
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Insurance/.edu Scum
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:58:20 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Center, Univ. Hospitals of Cleveland
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In article <1993Jan11.215325.5880@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

--- stuff deleted ---
> 
>Dear Ed,
>The tone of your post reflects a fatherly condescending pose about it. You

As does yours.

>my fair feathered friend are no more Tony's father then mine. I find it 

What color are your feathers?

>very iritating when the politically correct read/imply whatever is needed
>to set them off on their diatribe. Why do you imply milking your (do you like

I've never been accused of being politically correct -- to whom do you refer?

>ringing, squeezing or ripping better?) fair share out of the insurance thiefs
>is dishonest?

The term milking implies dishonesty.  I have no love of insurance companies
and I despise dishonesty.  I will defend Tony if he's being screwed by
an insurance company but not if he's going about dishonestly.
 
>In short, how long has your father been selling insurance?

Never.  But see how much fun it is to jump to conclusions for the sake of
a flame?

>================================================================================
> Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
> Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
>================================================================================

Ed
DoD #1110	"Diatribe of Doggerel"
From: jfriedl@omron.co.jp (Jeffrey Friedl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Engine Theory 101
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:48:56 GMT
Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Corporation

Being rather ignorant of the way of the engine ("enjin-dou" :-),
I thought I'd ask about a few things I'm curious about....

About the clutch, I assume one has a the power of a rotating shaft from
the engine transmitted (via the transimission, of all things) to the gear
which drives the chain, and how this power is applied is related to
the "gear". The idea of smaller gears providing more torque is easy enough
to understand... what I'd like to know is the mechanics of what the
clutch does in all this.

What prompts this questions is the other day I was driving down a *very*
steep gravel road (a construction company's access road in the mountains)
and for a while was feathering the clutch for use as a brake, allowing me
to descend at about a jogging pace.  After a short while the phrase
"burning out the clutch" came into mind, and I decided I'd rather use the
actual brakes than risk any clutch damage (if such use of the clutch
might damage it).


Secondly, when I start in the morning I put the choke to about half and
hit the switch.  The engine fires up, but sounds very rough. After a few
seconds it settles into a less-rough but certainly not smooth grumble.
After a minute or two, it suddenly reves up to a smooth (but fast,
because of the choke) idle. I kill the choke and I'm on my way.

Why does the engine suddenly lose its grumble like that, rather than
gradually do so? What causes a cold engine to grumble in the first place?
Water seperated from the gas sitting in the engine? cold oil? Cranky
'cause it wants a cup of coffee like its rider?


Finally, it's common here (Japan) when shutting off the engine to first
rev the engine high (80% to redline?) and then (while up there) hit the
kill switch.  Takes all of half a second so it's no bother, but I wonder
why this is done.  Somehow "clears the engine out"? Or is it just silly.

"maido arigato gozaimasu" to all you kind sensei out there....
	
	*jeff*

DoD##4   '87 CBR250 Hurricane
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Omron Electronics, Central R&D Lab, RZC     Nagaokakyo, Kyoto 617, Japan
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance companies
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:48:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.090246.8690@omrongw.wg.omron.co.jp>
jfriedl@omron.co.jp writes:
>As there are so many insurance companies, they must compete for your dollar.
>Free Competition (tm -- you heard it here first!) has been shown to be
>a Good Thing.

Shown?  Where has it really been tried?  Surely not in
the insurance industry.  They spend more than anyone
else in campaign contributions, making sure they get all
available advantages from the US and state governments.
And making sure that there are punitive regulations
to discourage people from doing things the insurers
don't like.  Like riding motorcycles.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: chain prematurely worn out?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:01:06 GMT

In <cPNRwB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:

>bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

>> In article <725925659snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>> >
>> >In article <mjs.725907066@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:
>> >

>Hell, all my Triumphs had chain oilers. You could adjust the flow so that 
>while it was running, a slow trickle of oil would run down onto the 
>chain.  


  Didn't Triumph call it a primary seal, you know, the big seal behind
the clutch basket :-) 


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