HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: avb@cs.brown.edu (Anand V. Bodapati)
Subject: Seeking Advice: Getting an F-1 visa after being on an H-1
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:54:32 GMT



I'm in quite a knot and thought I'd turn to the wise voices of SCI for
advice.

I last entered USA in 1990 on an H-1 visa (which expired last month). I
switched from H-1 status to F-1 status when I enrolled in Brown University
last fall for a PhD. I need to travel abroad next month, and have to have
an F-1 visa stamp before I can reenter the country. I have the following
questions:

- How safe is it for me to leave the country? I plan to apply for a student
visa in India or Spain (I'm traveling to those two countries). What are the
chances of denial?

If I do decide to travel out of USA:

- I'll be attending Stanford on leave of absence from Brown for a year, and
can get I-20 forms from both universities. Which I-20 should I use when
applying for a visa? With Brown, applying as a continuing student might
decrease my chances of rejection. With Stanford, attending a school with a
better name (for whatever little that is worth) might decrease my chances
of rejection.

- Does my having previously been an H-1 hurt my application for an F-1? To
what extent? On the "yes" side, one can say that I might have gotten used
to living in USA. (I must mention that I had attended MIT for my
undergraduate work on an F-1 before taking up a job.) On the "no" side, I
can say that I had turned down the opportunity to apply for a green card
(which is indeed true, because I've never wanted to settle down in
America).

- I've heard that several F-1 applicants in Bombay were turned down in
recent weeks in spite of their having obtained I-20's and full financial
aid from respectable universties. Is this true? Is Bombay the only such
consulate city? What about Spain?

I'd greatly appreciate any comments and advice on this, based on either
experience or speculation. Please reply directly to me at
anand@cs.brown.edu. Thanks!

-Anand 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: memg2102@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marlon E. Menezes)
Subject: Contacts and housing at U. of Toledo wanted
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:46:31 GMT

My e-mail address is memg2102@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
	  Telephone: (217) 352-0819 (call collect)
	  Address: #17, 515 Bash Ct.,
		   Champaign, Illinois.
		   61821.



Any useful information will be appreciated. Thanks.



Marlon Menezes, UIUC








Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: alt.culture.kerala (r.f.d. kinda thing)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:25:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.005136.15170@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:

>1] George, dont worry we are going to keep you out anyway :-)
>
>   Only a orthographist of your calibre could point out this
>   error for us. Much obliged, Nautius Maximus !

Well since you respond so graciously, it behoves me to point out that
you spelt neighbouring incorrectly in another related post.
'Inadver^H^Htently', no doubt. ;-) ;-)

George



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdarbha@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Subrahmanyam Darbha)
Subject: Re: ANY NEWS ABOUT NTR'S LATEST MOVIE "SAMRAT ASHOK"????
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
 
    I heard that it was the biggest failure at the box-office 
    No other news is about the film is available. 
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:45:35 GMT

-- 
It is from Darbha                                sdarbha@buster.eng.ua.edu
                                                   OFF : (205) 348 - 9289   
                                                   RES : (205) 750 - 0481 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cig0762@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Indranil Chakaborty )
Subject: Uloochi
Summary: It's uloopi not uloochi
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:35:59 GMT
Keywords: It's uloopi not uloochi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru)
Subject: Re: My Father Has Moved On and We Miss HIM terribly
Reply-To: aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:43:14 GMT

It is natural to feel agony over one's father's death but I don't
understand how it is a game of the `fate'.

Well, if one leaves his parents in their old age to live in the US of A,
it is quite possible that he won't be with them at times like this.
Doesn't everybody who does it know it?

-aluru
From: sxm1210@hope.njit.edu (Srinivas Mankala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Baby Names List
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:38:55 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Hi,

Can somebody E-Mail me the latest Indian Baby Names List.  I need this for 

one of my friend who does't have access to the Net. 

Please E-mail to the following address :
		
	sxm1210@hope.njit.edu

	sxm1210@msaol.njit.edu


Thanks in advance.
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Justice Bains Writes in the Indian Express
Summary: Article by Justice Bains appeared in the Indian Express
Keywords: Justice Bains, Human Rights, Punjab, IPSG
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:36:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <84368@netnews.upenn.edu>, dawar@gradient.cis.upenn.edu writes...
>....... (stuff tossed out) .....
>	  Association of Indian Progressive Study Groups
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	  Earl Hall, Columbia University
>	  New York, NY 10027

I am writing my first-hand experience on IPSG. Prior to me, someone (I am not
disclosing the name) had also recounted his experiences with IPSG. Needless to
say that my experience had convinced that IPSG is a farce. In the name of 
progress all that these members do is to plead for amnesty of thugs, criminals,
rapists, spies and all those unholy creatures who inhabit our that portion of 
our planet called India. This, comment has nothing to do with Justice Bains as
I have not read the article(s). Thus, my comments may/ may not apply for that
case in particular. My attention was drawn to the " highlighted " portion.

In Montreal, IPSG has its HQ at McGill U. There was a guy from Columbia U., 
whose name was ? Raghavan. Now Dr.Raghavan is a Assistant Professor at IIT Delhi
since about 1 year. Dr.Raghavan was actually a Ph.D student at Columbia U., and,
had moved to McGill when his advisor moved here. IMO, he was good academically,
but that may be irrelevant here.

IPSG held  a meeting at McGill U.'s student building (I can recall the name now)
- on Mactavish Street. The issue was on Kashmir. There were speakers who said
that Kashmir should be given back to Pakistan. Actually, I was surprised that
many Bongs at McGill and from U. of Montreal supported that stand from the 
speaker. The agenda comprised of " horrible " tortures by Indian forces, and all
seemed too much full of lies. When I objected from the audience, I was shouted
down, and, told instead that the voice of the majority demands that a Moslem
dominated Kashmir be handed over to Pakistan. (Dr.Raghavan came to blows with
me. He tried to get another meeting at Concordia in August 1991 - before his
departure, but, my friends and I complained to Vice-Rector and Dean, stating 
that such clandestine meetings - aimed at false denigration of India should not
be allowed. To the best of my knowledge the meeting was not held. That was the
only thing that I could do. They still exist in Montreal.)

I am totally surprised by the apparently large following these groups have in
the U.S. What specifically they do ? Always take an anti-Indian stand ???????

- deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: 13-year-old earns degree
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:01:22 GMT

In article <seOu=t_00WBMQ8D3FH@andrew.cmu.edu> pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
>I'd be more impressed if the guy had sex at the age of 7.

Good ol' Dev, what a genius of an idea! Isn't it a little devious,
demented and depraved. I like it. But, I let the TV producers exploit
it. Seriously, why is it important that someone of that age be also
sexually creative? The answer is obvious to me. However, one too many
agrees that sex is not same as ejaculation of waste from body such as
even babies are capable of doing, without much training, rather
involuntarily.  Of course, many grown ups think condom aren't like
diapers. So to say, you can force a kid to wear a diaper but not an
adult to wear a condom. Or vice versa. That is, practically, you can't
make an adult to do anything worthwhile, impressive, spectacular,
awesome, and not but not least earth shakingly orgasmic. We now come a
full circle--if you could do something down the line in your adult
life, then it had to be genetically expressed somewhere when you were
a kid. 


Murthy
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Astrology & Beauty Contests (was: So star charts favored perot eh..?)
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:42:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Jul17.183929.6484@menudo.uh.edu> nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
.
.
>
>Very well said! These same people who come here for higher education may
>one day go back to India and make big decisions based on the stars! One
>of the inherent problems in India is that there are a large number of such
>morons who run the country.
>
>I think the "whipping" law in Pakistan should be introduced in India solely
>to deal with such morons.
>

	4] Time and time again, astrology has proven to be an excellent
	   predictor of the winners of Ms. Universe and other such important
	   competitions. I realize some of the base peasants amongst the
	   audience might counter with an `oh, yeah? the drool test at the
	   swimsuit competition is an even more accurate way'. I say to 
	   such pond scums: It just ain't as simple as that! Remember, how
	   Ms India lost at the recent Ms Universe contest? That's right,
	   the Knowledge Test can throw all predictions out of kilter.
	   You really need something as scientific as astrology to help with
	   the vital tasks in life.

	3] The change in subject header was deliberate. I believe I am taking
	   the discussion in an important new direction. 

	2] The things you learn in SCI!

	1] Play pool.

							- Nagarajan
From: dseth@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Deepak Seth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: information
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:49:25 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

Hello Netters,

    I have a friend who will be attending George Washington University in D.C.

shortly.  I would appreciate if anyone could send me any information regarding

accomodation, living expenses, initial settling problems etc.

    Could you please send me a mail directly as I do not subscribe to this 
    
newsgroup.

Thanks in advance,

Deepak Seth

E-Mail:-  dseth@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu
    	  UA_DS@nuhub.crc.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.us.asian-indian,soc.culture.asian.american
From: mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota)
Subject: Re: Family values and the West.
Keywords: Marriage, Family, Industrial, West.
Organization: Somewhere near Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:59:17 GMT

In article <3641@randvax.rand.org> edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
>Thus television (for
>example) might be accused of spreading values which oppose tradition and
>family life, but that has to do with the programming and not the
>technology itself.

This argument has been used time and again to justify technological
artifacts. Examples:

*The problem is not with guns, but the gun owners (justifying  shoot
 out deaths by IRA) 

*The problem is not cars, but drunken drivers (justifying highway
 accidents related to poor safety in cars) 

*The problem is not with alcohol, but with people who are drunk
 (justifying alcohol related illnesses by the liquor lobby)

*The problem is not cigarettes, but with people who smoke (justifying
 smoking related illnesses by the tobacco lobby)


So one heuristic that emerges out of these is: 

``The problem is not with artifact X, but in person Y who uses X and
cannot control his/her behavior while using X.''

(And then to counter this counter-point, people say, ``So what is the
alternative if technology didn't provide X?'' ``Can yo live without
it?'' ``If you can live, go ahead and make my day!'')

All ancient cultures have ``theories'' to address this behavior. The
meta-physical theories of Hinduism, Budhism, Taoism, etc. are examples
of such blame/credit assignment. Eventually when science exhausts its
potential to improve or mitigate its bad side-effects or outweight its
good vs. its own bad, even science and technology become inadequate.
But then, such a possibility may not happen in the near future. So we
don't have to give up hope on science and technology until proven
otherwise (a theory in itself!).

>One thing is clear, though: repressive regimes--including some of your
>"ancient countries"--frequently oppose informantion technologies because
>they tend to dilute the power of those in command, which might eventually
>lead to their overthrow.  

Au contraire, regimes know how to best use TV and other information
sources to meet their ends. My slogan for such regimes is:

``TV with religious programming is the opium of the masses.''

Substitute religion with sex, violence, etc. 

I won't unfairly exclude western governments from this definition of
``regimes. ''



Murthy
From: s9205@gte.com (Rohit Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sick Hindustani's stupid joke
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:04:09 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

Question : What did one Gujju lawyer say to another ?
Answer : Sue karay chhe. 

-- Rohit

P.S. No flames , please !!
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 31 Jul 1992 16:20:04 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu
Keywords: Rich Country Poor Man/Womyn

In article <1992Jul31.015211.2288@massey.ac.nz>, J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal) writes:
|> 
|> India is not a poor country. I am not sure about our GNP but it is
|> among the top 20 countries in the world (could someone give
|> authentic evidence on this). What we do have though is a lot of

Does the same situation hold (i.e. in the top 20) for PER CAPITA GNP?
(or GDP). That is a better indicator of whether or not a country is
poor or rich.

|> John Ainikkal
|> 'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
********************************************************************************
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 20:17:00 MST
From: <ASUGM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:      WANTED: INFO. ABOUT NITIE, BOMBAY

I want info. about NITIE programs in Industrial Engineering. If you
know anyone from NITIE, please give me his address.
Any info. is highly appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation

 Umesh Manathkar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Hindu Refugees
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.163550.10605@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.145918.23802@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.033253.21996@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>
>>
>>>As I always say there's only two solution.
>>>1. Abolish religion all together which is not possible as there's truth behind
>>>it.
>>>2.Unify all religion in a single whole. There has been only ONE religion
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>all the time in the history.
>>>Take your pick.
>>>Arindam
>>
>>I have seen you mention the above phrase on a number of occasions.
>>I sincerely hope that you mean the unification of religions in the sense 
>>of *Common Quest* and NOT in the sense of a *Common Creed*. Acceptance
>>of Multiplicity of creeds towards a *Common Quest* is the key to end 
>>the religious strife and conflict in the world.
>>
>>I believe I am right about you having the above perspective!
>>Or, am I wrong?
>>
>>
>>---raj
>I mean abolition of all creeds. Religion is the science to understand
>spirituality. What place does a creed have here?
>Arindam
But tthe moment I say this I become the part of a creed myself. An identity
is required to work together. So my belief is that this creed is going to
become the creed of the future. I guess that's the best I can explain. If
you want to learn more search for yourself.
Arindam

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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Bahai :: Santan Dal in Bengal?(was Re: THE NEW COVENANT (RE:RAPE,Clinton))
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:05:58 GMT

>It is my misfortune to have not read Arindam Ghosh of pre-bahaullah phase.
>However, I find that in the post-Bahaullah phase his rationality has taken a
>backseat. Read the underlined part above, and everybody will be able to
>understand how he contradicts himself. He welcomes Nilanjan to take part
>in Bahai activities irrespective of faith of God and then predicts that
>he will fail in everything if he does so (NOT fix his eyes on God).
>
This means that each individual solution that is being arrived at by the
Bahai methods can be verified by any rationally thinking person to be the
best solution. However, since the method itself has come via "revelation"
thus it becomes a faith. This is a contradiction in the non-religious
rationalistic view. Thus I have to live with this contradiction. However,
you don't have to live with this contradiction if you don't want to. If
you find a particular solution good you are welcome to take part in it.
That's what is meant by inviting everybody. The hope is of course that
you will realize that something holds this method of approaching at solutions
together which is "beyond reason" and logic and reason, though very important
part of life is not all. Quoting Quoran(OOPS!) no amount of money can bind
people's hearts together. Similarly no amount of logic and reason can bind
people's hearts together; which,IMHO, is the basic first step before attempting
any solution to the other pressing problems.
Arindam
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:35:58 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu


I made a reference to the 1948 Olympics and the Anschluss in my previous
post. I realize now that the issue of the Anschluss might well have been
brought up in the 1936 Olympics as well [assuming that Goebbels was not
censoring Olympic reports coming out of Berlin that year].

Just in case someone (like me) saw fit to pick a nit...

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these opinions, he deserves them.
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From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Fond Farewell to Amjad Khan
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:28:03 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

somebody wrote.....
>
>Reprinted from India Abroad  July 31st edition.
>
>Amjad Khan the famous villain in Indian movies died on July 27th at
>his residence following a massive heart attack. He was 40 years old.
>

An interesting aside in that Amjad Khan was active as a stage actor
long before he appeared on the silver screen.  He used to be enrolled
at National College ( Bombay ), and was awarded a best actor prize
at some dramatics festival at IIT, Bombay in the late sixties......

Regards,


Jawa




-- 
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* Jawahar M. Tembulkar, Computervision, R & D, 		*
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: me@comstore.uark.edu (My Account)
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:52:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: comstore.uark.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul23.173453.23182@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU  
(Arindam Ghosh) writes:
> >Your note in the first place was an exercise in futulity, and you knew  
> >that very well.  It is another instance of Bengali  
pseudo-intellectualism.  
> >We want to do a lot of things, but we know we are uncapable of  
achieving  
> >most of them, because we are unwilling to make the needed sacrifice and  
I  
> >think that it is nothing unusual. Most of us are torn between the need  
for  
> >a financially smooth and apparently luxurious life and the sublime urge  
to  
> >acknowledge our social responsibility. 
> >I would like to know, what you are doing in order to start the so  
called  
> >'movement'? If one person at a time is the basis of your concept, let  
it  
> >start from you.--- Aditi 
> Yes of course. I am booking the first flight out of this country, right
> after graduation.
> Arindam
I did not mean to demotivate you or hurt your sentiments anyway. Actually,  
I am tired of debating over these issues and cannot see any solutions to  
any of these problems. Whenever I go to an Indian gathering we are nothing  
but screaming at each other about which we did not do anything back home,  
and now are not willing to make the necessary sacrifices that will enable  
us to achieve any of the so called suggestions. 
In any case, I wish you all the best. It is good  to know that at least  
somebody is willing to do something. -- Aditi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: joshi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Anil Joshi)
Subject: Re: The article about India's supercomputer (PARAM)...
Keywords: PARAM CDAC
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:49:20 GMT

sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang) writes:

>Hi Netters,
>          There was an article posted either in SCI or in Misc.news.southasia
>about the Supercomputer that India has developed (PARAM by CDAC) sometime back.

I don't know whether you want the news article or the Kahaner report. 
The latter can be obtained through anonymous ftp from cs.arizona.edu.
Dr. Kahaner is a very reputed Numerical Analyst currently spending an year
in Japan.

Anil

-- 
"Tiviri isumuna tailambu teeyavacchu, tavili mrigatrishnalo neeru traagavacchu
tirigi kundeti kommu saadhipma vacchu, cheri muurkhula manasu ranjimpa raadhu"
- An ancient "Telugu" "Padyam"
From: srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Transactions of the acm
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:01:33 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

Now that the discussion on alt.culture.mallu  (acm) is doing the rounds, can we
expect to have transactions of acm shortly ????????
-- 
----- 
 |\/\/\/|      Srikant Subramaniam.
 |      |      srikant@cs.usask.ca 
 |	|
 |      |      Disclaimer: This is not what really I look like. 	
 | (o)(o)      Disclaimer: I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, 
 C      _)                  can't prove anything. 
  | ,___|             
  |   /     
  /---\    
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