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From: earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Sun Microsystems - JPL on-site Software Support
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:52:30 GMT

In article <c5!nzg#@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>conroym@news.colorado.edu (Matthew Conroy) writes:
>>>>PROFIT is something i am specifically against, 
>>>
>>>So, where does your food come from? Manna from heaven? 
>>
>>I find this response interesting for at least two reasons.  First, a
>>large part of my food comes from local organic farms who, as far as i
>>know, do not have huge-corporate ties... 
>
>You miss the point.  If you don't profit from your music, then where does
>the money come from to buy food?  To pay for a place to live?

Well, if you're my wife - and you record for a small independant Belgian label
who doesn't pay one f*cking red dime in royalties, and sells your half of the
publishing to Warner-Chappell without your permission, tries to leave you
high and dry in Europe with no money to get home after keeping all the tour
revenues to themselves, etc. etc. (need I go on?) - you get the money by
marrying a fairly-highly-paid studly Software Support Engineer, and then you
don't have to work (-: (-: (-:

Good thing she doesn't read th... Oh NO!  PUT DOWN THAT ROLLING PIN!!!  AUGGH!

<thud>

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From: kitchens@morpheus.austin.ibm.com (Otto K.)
Subject: Re: Who sings "88 Lines about 44 Women?"
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:02:48 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <BsvMGG.KnJ@rice.edu>  mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi) writes:
>
> No it is not Trent.  In fact, I don't think I ever heard anyone
> even suggest that.  The band is called The Nails, and the only place
> I've seen the song is on a 12" with only 2 songs -- the original
> version and the "Radio version" of 88 Lines About 44 Women.

The song actually appeared on an album whose name escapes me right now.
The band had at least 2 albums.  The second of which was called
"Dangerous Habits" and had a song similar (sort of) to "88 Lines."  The song
was "Things you left behind."  I can't imagine why anyone would think that
Trent had sung this song.

otto
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: OMD got all their ideas from...
From: Rick Jansen <SSCPRICK@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 11:14:19 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

> KEYBOARD Magazine interviewed OMD a few years back, and members
> of the band were quoted as saying that they were heavily influenced
> by Kraftwerk.
 
Well, who isn't, in the trade of electronic dance music?
 
-Rick.
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           b) nothing containing everything
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From: pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion 
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:10:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.182421.23482@coe.montana.edu> arsenic@cs.montana.edu (Michael Hurd) writes:
[...]
>By the by, has anyone seen _Into the Unknown_ on CD?

*-------------------*

I seriously doubt you ever will see _Into the Unknown_ on CD.
Bad Religion is embarrassed by that album.  I believe it was a
flirtation with the "crossover" rage going on at the time, which
saw alot of great punk bands throw away their talent by becoming
lousy metal bands.  SSD is one such band.  Everyone in Boston
thought they were such a joke when they released _How We Rock_.

B.R. soon saw the error of their ways, returned to their roots, and
thus titled the next EP _Return to the Known_.

-- 
   "Life is inhuman when you are too old to be young." -Bill Nelson
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From: arsenic@cs.montana.edu (Michael Hurd)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion - personnel 
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:16:02 GMT

In article <713837332snx@nexnix.demon.co.uk> gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland) writes:
>
>
>Can anyone tell me if there any other Bad Religion albums apart from
>the following:
>
>	Suffer
>	No Control
>	Against the Grain
>	Generator
>	80-85
>
>Thanks.
>

Yep...
	'How Could Hell Be Any Worse'  vintage  1981?
	'Into The Unknown' 1983
	'Back to the Known' 1984

Also an EP or two and a few appearances on some various artists
disks.

I am overjoyed to hear someone mention Bad Religion...
In my opinion, the best band recording today... By far.
-- 

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
 his intelligence; he is just using his memory."  --  Leonardo Da Vinci
From: cqn1676@zeus.tamu.edu (CHINH QUOC NGUYEN)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: live version "the forest" (was cure thread)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 19:47:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2040@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, lynn@ft1.ucsd.edu (Lynn Gottesman) writes...
>Many of you mentioned that the live version of "the forest" is among your  
>favorite cure songs.  I just wanted to point out another awesome live version  
>of "the forest" on the concert video "cure in orange".  I think it is better  
>than the recording on the concert album ("the forest" is my favorite cure  
>song).  I used the audio out on my VCR to make a audio tape of sound part of  
>the video.  The sound quality of the tape is fair, but the music is GREAT.  It  
>is my favorite cure recording.  There are also great versions of "push","100  
>years", "faith" (totally awesome) and "10:15 saturday night", on the video,  
>just to name a few.   Just thought I'd pass this on to the other "forest" and  
>cure enthusiasts out there.

Uhh... that's "A Forest".  And yeah, the version from Orange is pretty good, 
the guitar at the end of the song is much faster than what he was doing from the 
Wish tour but then, it was also much longer with extra lyrics from the tour.
From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of Bath, England

>The college radio scene has certainly birthed some major successes - U2

U2 being exposed by college radio?  Check your history books.  Their first
album was played heavily on Mainstream AOR radio.  They also got heavy
publicity and coverage from Rolling Stone magazine.  From the onset they
were hyped as the band that will take over from the Stones.  Also,
their early videos were played heavily on MTV.  Yeah they were a real
underground success weren't they.
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Matthew Sweet
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:39:02 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Matthew Sweet also has a track on one of the Golden Palominos albums...
it's been years since I've heard it so I can't remember which one.  The
one that came right after the one with Michael Stipe on it....

Lena
From: davids@coos.dartmouth.edu (David S. Cohen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:40:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ok.  here's something that i think is impossible for indie only peopl to say
is the case . . . .

there is a new group out there called "the boo radleys".  they just put out
an album called "everything's alright forever" on the indie label _creation_.
however, about two weeks after we got this album at my radio station (the 
first one we got was a complete indie mailing from the label _not_ distributed
by any major or associated in anyway) we got another shipment in.  this ship-
ment was from columbia.  it seems that the boo radleys have now signed on 
columbia and the album is now on that label.  so, a question to all you 
indie only folk . . . is this album now not as good?  it was originally 
recorded for, produced by, released by an indie label.  now, after its release,
it was signed to a major.  how can that negate the quality and the "alterna-
tiveness" (whatever that is) of the album/band?  i don't see how that is 
possible.  if someone has any great reason why, i would like to know.  however,
i think this is a strong example of why signing with a major label doesn't 
necessarily make that band evil.  there are cases of that happening, i'm not
denying that.  however, i would say that when major labels can put out music
such as ministry, my bloody valentine, sonic youth, and l7, there is no reason
to abandon a band just because it is on a major.

this is not to say that the ideas and purpose of indies is not important.  
it is just to say that to restrict yourself to only indie labels/groups/albums
is to deny yourself some good music.

--
peace
-dsc
From: cwvst+@pitt.edu (Charles W Van Keuren)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New Nine Inch Nails Single ????
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:45:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug7.211453.698@rice.edu> mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi) writes:
>New single 'Suck, Suck, Suck' ?!?!  By Nine Inch Nails ?!?!
>What you heard was 'Suck' by Pigface, released at least a year
>ago.  Pigface is just about every Wax Trax guru + Trent Reznor.
>If you liked the song, go buy the album by Pigface.  But I must say,
>it's not very good.

Since I'm far behind in reading the messages here, I thought I'd hold off.  But
after five responses, I gotta kick in...


All five of you were wrong!  "Suck" was originally a NIN song that Pigface 
did a cover of.  Trent Reznor most certainly does sing for both versions though.

The original NIN version is available...???  I got it on a TVT compilation tape
that has some earlier released TVT tunes on it.  Later...

-chuck
From: clare@aero.org (Clare Waterson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: TMBG Tee-shirts
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:53:57 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

To get TMBG t-shirts and other neat stuff with "TMBG" on them, 
you should join the TMBG Information Club.  Follow the instructions
on your Apollo 18 CD, that is, send $2 to the TMB Productions address
(SASEs are no longer requested) and they will send you a catalog of
stuff you can buy, including t-shirts, buttons, stickers, and the
actual music as well.

Since the address was so conveniently posted, here it is for reference
From Bo Orloff <bo@igc.org>:
>                     TMB Productions
>                     Dept. PPFNP
>                     PO Box 110553-i
>                     Williamsburg Station
>                     Brooklyn, NY 11211-0003
>                     USA

Also, for anyone who's REALLY interested, you can join the TMBG
mailing list, at <they-might-be-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu>.



-- 
    -- Clare Waterson
       Master Lucubrator

                   ``Wake up and smell the Cat Food'' -- They Might Be Giants
From: woj@romulus.rutgers.edu (l.l. cool bean)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Barenaked Ladies
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:53:08 GMT
Organization: the wonderful world of muzak

i picked up a copy of the _gordon_ cd in a cutout bin this morning. i
had the cassette release previouisly and thought it was quite good - and
i must say that the full release is also very good. uptempo, happy,
acoustic pop songs that are well-written, fun and funny. one thumb up
out of two.
-- 
woj
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Hundred Years single (Re: Live version "The Forest" (was Cure thread)
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Summary: Double 7"
Keywords: Cure
Organization: Sun Microsystems - JPL on-site Software Support
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:43:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.152244.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsjdh@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <2040@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, lynn@ft1.ucsd.edu (Lynn Gottesman) writes:
>>Many of you mentioned that the live version of "the forest" is among your
>>favorite cure songs.  I just wanted to point out another awesome live version
>>of "the forest" on the concert video "cure in orange".  I think it is better
>>than the recording on the concert album ("the forest" is my favorite Cure
>>song).  I used the audio out on my VCR to make a audio tape of sound part of
>>the video.  The sound quality of the tape is fair, but the music is GREAT.  It
>>is my favorite cure recording.  There are also great versions of "Push", "100
>>Years", "Faith" (totally awesome) and "10:15 Saturday Night", on the video,
>>just to name a few.   Just thought I'd pass this on to the other "Forest" and
>>Cure enthusiasts out there.
>>
>I haven't listend to the Cure in quite some time (used to be an avid collector
>of bootlegs and rare recordings), but I seem to remember that the live
>recording of "A FOREST" on the flip side of the single for " A HUNDRED YEARS"
>(a 10'' single released on Fiction) was the best one out of the 10 or so live
>versions I had of that song.

My memory may be getting foggy, but I don't recall the "Hundred Years" single
being a 10".

I *DO* remember the original "Hundred Years" single being a double-pack 7",
as that is what I own.

No matter what the format, surely one of the greatest singles ever ...

	- Greg
From: shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Siouxsie rereleased?
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:54:18 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

have the Siouxsie back catalogue been released in the US recently?
and if yes, are there extra tracks on them?
-r.



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From: chrisc@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Chris Camfield)
Subject: Levellers info?
Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:11:04 GMT

Can anyone give me any information on the British group the
"Levellers"?   Thanks.
-- 
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From: jaap@excite.educ.sfu.ca (Jaap O. Tuinman)
Subject: Re: Body Count: "Cop Killer" removed from album
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:32:33 GMT

In article <AeYdTUS00awU8K3lUh@andrew.cmu.edu> ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Scott  
Jefferson) writes:
> I got the album by Bodycount but don't play it much. As a big metal fan
> the music on this album is not nearly up to Metallica, Slayer or
> Megadeth. The guitarists have got to learn how to play better on their
> next album (also people are always saying that white people shouldn't
> rap unless they are down with black culture. Shouldn't this apply to
> heavy metal but in reverse since white people have totally developed
> this form of music?)
> 

The guitar on Bodycount is just fine. *Especially* if you're going
to compare it to Megadeth. And anyone with a 'metal is for whites'
attitude doesn't deserve to own "Bodycount" in the first place. Of
course, since you do, you should probably have a much closer listen
to "There Goes the Neighborhood" and see if it is trying to tell
you anything.

As a side note, I am very happy to mention that Soundgarden has adopted
Bodycount's "Cop Killer" as part of their live set

jaap
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From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Feelies info ===>> Read it!
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:01:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Aug13.162220.11874@vestek.com>, tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis) writes:
> 
> here's my sad feelies story. i was at streetlight records on 24th in s.f.
> and they were in the process of pulling the plastic FEELIES divider
> and moving all FEELIES records in with the F's.
> 

On the contrary -- this is excellent news!  Hopefully the feelies will give
up on going mainstream.  The Pixies did it, maybe the Feelies can too.

Steve
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: Nirvana postpones concert
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:12:14 GMT

jeanette@hpmcaa (Jeanette Skelton) writes:


>From the 8/18 _Oregonian_:
>
>   The rock band _Nirvana_ has postponed its appearance scheduled for 
>Saturday at Portland Meadows.

they also postponed their upcoming Seattle concert as well.  tentative
rescheduled date is some time in September.

>------------------
>
>Jeanette

						-- dave

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 18:18:31 CDT
From: <U54802@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: SELLING TICKETS TO LOLA II:ALPINE VALLEY

     My friend can't go to the concert at Alpine Valley for August 29th.

I'm selling his ticket. I'd prefer that you live in Chicago or the South

Suburbs. I can give you a ride to there and back if you give me some gas

money if you need it. Mail offers directly to me, Rich. Hurry up!


                                   I said hurry,

                                      Rich<u54802>
From: Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: the 411 on 411
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:23:30 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


At the beginning of the summer, I heard something about 411 being signed
to Atlantic and releasing something by the end of the summer. So
where/what is it... anyone know...? (Bets on how long they'll last on a
constantly-downsizing label like Atlantic? Or how about Unrest? If this
rumor turns out to be true--and I hope it doesn't--how long will _they_
last on Atlantic? Scary thoughts here folks... remember these are the same
people who dumped Redd Kross after just one album...)

mark cornick                        stu_m1cornic@vax1.acs.jmu.edu
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                looking forward to my next check,
             looking forward to paying the rent--eggs

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From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Killing Joke sues Nirvana
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:41:33 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:


>Anyone have any more info on this.  What I've heard is that Killing Joke
>thinks that Come As You Are sounds awfully like the Eighties.  Apparently
>they think Nirvana ripped off their song and only now decided to sue.
>What do people think about this?  Do the songs really sound that alike?

I thought they sounded VERY similar when I first heard Nirvana's song.
I was pretty amazed that the guys in Nirvana had either (1) never heard
Eighties or (2) heard it and decided to put out a song that sounds a LOT
like it.


-- 
Dan Cogswell
From: Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:12:46 GMT
 <1992Aug13.221203.21583@raven.alaska.edu>  
 <1992Aug14.024042.28971@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


Great (and intelligent) discussion going on here, on both sides.  But I
have one request.  Please, if you are going to flame the original
article, do it on the net and NOT VIA E-MAIL.  That is PLEASE don't
send flames to he whom the original article names as its poster.  The
reason for this is that I've exchanged e-mail with him to discuss the
article and he says he didn't post it, apparently someone else did from
his account without his knowledge.  He doesn't even read a.m.a.

I thank you, and I'm sure HE thanks you, too.

 - nathan
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kang@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joseph S Kang)
Subject: Re: Gear Daddies
Keywords: They are no more!!
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:31:41 GMT

Yep, they are no longer a band.  They have BROKEN UP!!!



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kang@stolaf.edu  |               expressed in the above article are all mine.
                 |  		 Unless I've been brain-washed and don't know
St. Olaf College |    		 it or don't notice the difference. :-)
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Subject: Re: Teenage Fanclub question
From: denmark@csustan.csustan.edu (Mark Dinh)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:56:54 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Aug20.234654.25165@u.washington.edu> mus@u.washington.edu writes:
>BTW I just bought the "What You Do To Me" cd single which has four other
>tracks and I hope they aren't the crap they did to get out of their record
>contract.  We'll see.
>
IMO, the B-sides are great.  They sound alot like Star Sign rather than
The Concept + the rest of the album.  Tracks I like:  Long Hair, Marishi--sp?

By the way, isn't the last song on Bandwagonesque brilliant?
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From: cradle@wam.umd.edu (Dave Eisner)
Subject: Pearl Jam:  why do you hate them?
Originator: cradle@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:16:25 GMT



First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who responded to the 'Seattle down
our throats' post.  I'm glad it's not a conspiracy (though I never did      
entertain that idea.  Just a thought.)

In responding, though, many expressed an extreme, intense dislike for 
Pearl Jam.  And this is not the first time I've come into contact with such
sentiments.  In fact, I remember reading in an interview with Nirvana that
Cobain absolutely despises them.     

So here's another question:  Why do you hate Pearl Jam?  Is it that you
don't like their music?  

Or perhaps you think they've sold out, or are just trying to get rich, riding
on the crest of the Seattle wave.

Regardless of why you don't like Pearl Jam, let me know what you think of
the quality of their music.

Thanks in advance.


                                           --Dave Eisner
                                             cradle@wam.umd.edu
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