HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Phone tapping by hotel staff
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:03:00 GMT


First of all, you have to take this as hearsay - the guy who told me this
info said that he did the things I'm describing personally; but I don't
know his name or where exactly he works - it was a chance meeting on
a recent vacation trip to the US.

This guy I met told me he was a senior employee of Howard Johnsons -
not a manager, but a worker.  He said that he and his staff regularly
listened in on guest's telephone calls, and that they had a way of
monitoring all calls at once.  He reckoned his hotel was often used
by drug dealers, and that several well publicised drug busts had
come through info he and his staff had passed on to police.

He gave the impression that his hotel was no exception - that police
forces in many places use hotel staff to monitor hotel phones for
them and report anything suspicious.  It isn't an organised operation
I should add - they don't do this *all* the time - just (it sounded
to me) when they're bored.

Still, it's chilling to think that when you use a hotel phone you're
more likely to be monitored than not.  And the thought that H-J's
phone system has special features to allow all lines to be ganged
together for simultaneous listening, followed by a way of scanning
through them to find a particular call amongst the 'cocktail party
effect', is a bit worrying...

G
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:37 PDT
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton == John Birch Society 
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Jul 29 18:37:00 1992



OK, OK. So now I get E-Mail from people asking what my previous posting
was all about. If you read the first 5 messages in the topic it makes
a lot more sense....
...honest...
   ...no, really...
       -Chip

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mark andrew fenster)
Subject: Hey! What about Watergate!
Originator: mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:12:12 GMT

Boy, this newsgroup has gotten boring of late.  While I'm 
personally glad there is cross-posting from a.c.jfk since 
I don't get that esteemed group (and I *have* requested 
that it be added), following the various strings that 
respond to Derek Abbot's little postings grows a bit
tiresome after a while.

Frankly, I was surprised that the twentieth anniversary 
of the arrest of the Watergate plumbers came and went 
so quietly here in alt. world.  There have been some 
discussions on the topic (mostly to do with who Deep 
Throat is --- a far less interesting question that asking
who Bob Woodward is), but most of them have been basic 
and superficial.
	
Having recently gone through Carl Oglesby's "The Yankee 
and Cowboy War" and taken a cursory glance at Colodny and 
Gettlin's "Silent Coup" (both of which argue that Nixon 
[whom they both make clear was a bad, evil man] was the unwitting 
victim of a[n ultimately successful] conspiracy or plot to 
overthrow him), it's clear that the most interesting questions 
that need to be asked have less to with the act of what the 
Plumbers were after than with:

1) Why did the get caught?
2) What were their actions and their arrest a part of (i.e., larger 
machinations by Nixon, by those out to get Nixon, or by some 
other hidden conspiratorial group)?

Any ideas or comments?


Mark Fenster
mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: rbernstein@igc.org (Robert D. Bernstein)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Iran Contra ie Walsh out to influen
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:04:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:27JUL199209244678@ariel.lerc.nas:-195975063:cdp:1299600053:000:957
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!rbernstein    Jul 27 20:04:00 1992


Is this a bad joke?

Reagan, Bush, Abrams and the rest of this murderous scum should have been
sent to prison for war crimes ten years ago. Every time the Press or Congress
would make some feeble move to uphold United States and International law
the right wing fringe would cry political foul.

At the time the Iran/contra story came out the press agreed to withhold
its own investigation and reporting on contra/CIA drug running operations
and the rest of the filthy activities needed to carry out their
genocidal war against the poor until the hearings were completed. Well,
the hearings aren't over and they've succeeded in dragging it out so
long that people are supposed to have forgotten about what happened.

How many elections must come and go and how much stalling must occur
before justice is done? Justice is the least that we owe the 100,000
people murdered in Reagan/Bush's insane war against the poor of Central
America.

-- Robert Bernstein
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Subject: Re: Congress and the balaced budget scam
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 00:37:57 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <w40BoB4w164w@cellar.org> techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:

>   On June 11th, 1992 280 members of the House of Representatives voted for 
>an amendment to the U.S. Constitution requiring a balanced budget. Because an 
>amendment must pass the House by a two-thirds (290) votes, the measure was 
>declared defeated and the Senate was spared the chore of voting for or 
>against it.

[paragraph omitted]

>    The Birch Society is quick to point out that Congress can balance the 
>budget with a simple majority vote of both Houses of Congress. "They don't 
>need 290 votes in the House to balance the budget. They need a simple 
>majority of 218 in the House, 51 in the Senate, and the backing of the 
>President. Many House members will now return to their districts and tell 
>voters that they tried to stop the debt cycle by voting for the amendment 
>when they refuse to take the easiest way to stop deficit spending."

I never thought I'd see the day, but the JBS finally said something I agree
with... lawdy Miss Clawdy!

Turf the bastards out and begin again, eh wot?

-- 
Josef Kramer, a man whose incumbency earned him the sobriquet "The Beast of
Belsen," treated the uncontrollable epidemic of diarrhea at Belsen with a
prescription of starvation. "If you don't eat," he said, "you don't shit."
"The more dead Jews you bring me," he noted, "the better I like it."
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:54 PDT
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Nf-ID: #R:711712859.F00001@blkcat.uucp:-505773361:cdp:1299600052:000:201
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Jul 23 18:54:00 1992



I further object to the mere mention of the sub-word "head" in the
word pinhead because the comparison suggests that B-ARF has a head
to begin with. (Of course the message is in a secret code.)
-Chip
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Orgonon trip
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:39:02 GMT

T R I P  T O  O R G O N O N  (Wilhem Reich Museum)

* Arriving August 1st (saturday), departing sunday (2nd)

* located 10 miles west of Rangely, Maine on rt 4.
  5 hour drive from Boston.

* See Reich's research laboratory, orgone boxes,
  cloudbusters, etc.

* Cost is $3 for a 1 hour tour (paid to the museum)
  Make your own lodging arrangements.

* Meet other net people.

 We plan to rendezvous on saturday. Leave me e-mail
 for the time of rendezvous.

     Dana - D_NIBBY@unhh.unh.edu
From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: the crepes of wrath
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:08:45 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

Could someone please re-post the simpsons episode of 'the crepes of wrath' ?
I think it's one of the funniest episodes, especially the part when Bart
discovers he can speak french. Also, can anyone tell me what Bart is singing
on his way to his french 'hosts', when he's on the bike ?

I know that this might not be totally appropriate for this newsgroup, but
at my site, we don't get alt.tv.simpsons anymore....
From: guillory@cls.com (George Guillory)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Job wanted
Date: 20 Jul 92 01:05:31 GMT
Organization: C & L Software, Houston, TX

vibrad@os2dce06.austin.ibm.com writes:

> The ducks have left the village.

And the geese flew north for the winter.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy)
Subject: Re: Hey! What about Watergate!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: ahawks@nyx.UUCP (andy)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 04:45:27 GMT

In article <BrxCwD.K4r@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(mark andrew fenster) writes: 
|discussions on the topic (mostly to do with who Deep 
|Throat is --- a far less interesting question that asking
|who Bob Woodward is), but most of them have been basic 
|and superficial.

So who *is* deep throat?  Obviously he is still alive because the name has not
been revealed by Woodward himself.

|1) Why did the get caught?
|2) What were their actions and their arrest a part of (i.e., larger 
|machinations by Nixon, by those out to get Nixon, or by some 
|other hidden conspiratorial group)?
|
|Any ideas or comments?
|_____________________________________________________________________________

Completely bogus, leading questions.  Take a break from this newsgroup.  IMHO
Watergate should be looked at with pure objectivity since there is so much
factual, accountable information to go on as compared to a single event like
JFK being assasinated.

I can answer question 1.  They got caught because a security guard found the
open door.  That is why they got caught.  You asked, so you got an answer.

I propose question 3:  Why has Ross Perot's involvement with the Plumbers,
dating as far back to the Daniel Ellsberg incident been kept a secret for all
these years.  And, if Mario Cuomo runs in 96, why has his involvement been
kept secret as well.  (smell that that's sarcasm.)

|Mark Fenster
|mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Come on, who was it bet me $50???
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:09:29 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <JMC.92Jul19170737@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>Ah, I found my offer, which got no reply.  Here's my entire
>message.  It called no-one any names, except perhaps that it

Yes, I probably owe you an apology for that - *someone* definitely
said something offensive, but it was so long ago that I've probably
conflated the two posters in my mind.  Blatant insults are not your
style from what I remember.

Graham
PS If you happen to come across the posting I'm thinking of while
browsing the old '...to invade Cuba' thread, do mail me a copy, thanks.
From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:10:36 -0500

Hello James!

 >> Anybody notice how the issue got switched from the Friends of Israel
 >> programming Rush to prayer in school?
 JDD>
 JDD> I was going to comment on the FoI part, until I was contacted by an
 JDD> agent of ZOG advising me to instead divert the focus to prayer in
 JDD>
 >> Why the hell does the subject never come up?
 JDD>
 JDD> Because of ZOG, obviously.

Isn't he the Kryptonian that took over the White House and fought Superman in
the streets of New York??  Opps.  Sorry...that was ZOD!
From: sue@lestate.East.Sun.COM (Sue Haley {AISG/Admin NC})
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: conspiracy
Keywords: Chicago Arial or Recon Optical/CIA/SCOPE Program
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:57:58 GMT
Reply-To: sue@lestate.East.Sun.COM (Sue Haley {AISG/Admin NC})
Organization: Zman

I have a challenge for anyone to help me find any info on the CIA Scope 
program during the late sixties.  An article was written in the Wall
street Journal and mentioned this program.  It seems our very own CIA were
watching the movements of industrial high tech high security individuals to
make sure they were not selling the cookies to the enemy.


The Wall street interviewed (uncooperative) members of the staff at
Recon Opitcal
formly Chicago Areial.  This company I know, for a fact, were developing the
lenses used in the spy plane (U2) in SC.  and loaned their employees to 
shaw Air Force Base.  Upon trying to ask direct questions on preivous employees
or their envolvment with the government Recon Optical refuses to discuss any
info. perid.  The library in Barrington Il. does not even try to keep up with 
this co.  (Barrington) being CAI's home town.  


Its important to me in a book I am writing to find out just what the Government
and Recon were working on jointly. in 1968.....
From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:58:14 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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In article <13598@mindlink.bc.ca>, Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes...

>On ARF's insistence, I'm doing a poll.  (Unfourtunately my limited net access
>limits this to alt.conspiracy, if anyone wants to post it elsewhere they can)
> 
>Poll:  Is ARF a pinhead?  YES or NO.

I object to this poll on the grounds that it tends to unfairly characterize
pinheads.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
From: John.Powell@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John Powell)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Spiro Agnew, Nixon & Scandals.
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

In article <1992Jul21.074725.2018@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU>, dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott) writes:
|> 
|> How did the public buy that one?

As is usually the case, the public wasn't asked their opinion.
They were told "This is how it is going to be!!"

Kind of reminds you a man named King George and his tax on tea, doesn't it??

bill

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     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:57:08 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Michael P. Deignan (KD writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <1992Jul20.110400.28517@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>
> Posted: 20 Jul 92 11:04:00 GMT
> 
> Org.  : The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
> 
> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> 
> > Is it just possible that his meteoric rise to fame is
> > somehow connected with an agreement to leave Israel alone?
> >
> > You bet it is!
> 
> Wow. The Israeliis bribed the millions of people who listen to Rush's
> show daily?
> 
> Shit! They missed me!
> 
> Who has the number for the Zionist Conspiracy so I can call them and
> get my bribe money too? I don't want to be left out!
> 


On ARF's insistence, I'm doing a poll.  (Unfourtunately my limited net access
limits this to alt.conspiracy, if anyone wants to post it elsewhere they can)

Poll:  Is ARF a pinhead?  YES or NO.



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From: julio@sigma.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Disclosure of files ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:46:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


  A couple of months ago there were some news about requests for
  the release of classified information on the JFK assassination.
  I remember the names of ex-president Ford and CIA director Gates
  to have been mentioned in the News. I do not read the news
  daily.  Does anyone know what was the final decision on this.
  Which were the reasons given. Who took the decision ?
  Somebody tells me that a decision was taken of not opening
  them to public scrutiny.

 Thanks

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 02:14:23 CDT
From: <U54778@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: JFK -- a meglomaniacal fool?
 <1992Jul20.173751.21702@cbnews.cb.att.com>
 <1992Jul27.093053.21353@becker.GTS.ORG>
 <CRATHBUN.92Jul28185731@dante.nmsu.edu> <schuck.712379630@sfu.ca>


sex crazed, megalomaniac??????????

I don't want to make a big deal about this but doesn't this point to the
degradation of the school system.

Do we really need another 50 years before, some teacher will put all this
into perspective so that the students will have some iota of understanding?

To understanding (not condone) that this male sex drive behavior was not
looked down upon as much as in our current moral climate;  to understand
that his drive may have been attributed to the medication he was receiving;
to understand the background and history that lead the US into its
confrontation with the USSR; to understand JFK as compared to other leaders
like Gen. LeMay or the Dulles brothers in the light of being an unthinking
anti-communist;  to actually read what happened in the aftermath of the
Cuban Missile Crisis, even to read what JFK's last speech was all about
(world peace);  I guess this is asking too much of this generation.
ALAN ROGERS
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From: mitch@coriolis.UUCP (Mitch)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Oswald's Request for a Laywer (JFK)
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:18:42 GMT
Organization: Albedo Communications

dlyons@necis.UUCP (Dave Lyons) writes:

> In article <20JUL199213321418@sigma.tamu.edu>, mst4298@sigma.tamu.edu (Mitche
> > (Derek Abbott) writes...
> > 
> >>What is the official explaination for why Oswald got grilled without a
> >>lawyer, despite his repeated requests for one?
> > 
> > 	To answer a question with a question...
> > 	When did the Supreme court mandate that a defending lawyer be
> > 	present during questioning?
> 
> This is pretty misleading, Mitchell.  The Supreme Court's Miranda
> Ruling specifically states that any accused has the right to a lawyer
> during questioning.  I don't remember the date that ruling was handed
> down but it certainly may have been after 1963 and I'll give you the
> benefit of the doubt that that's what you're referring to.  On the
> other hand, the Miranda Ruling wasn't making new law but rather was
> spelling out rights that exist in the constitution and therefore

More than that, Miranda was merely about whether you had to be INFORMED 
of rights.  The state argued that it hadn't denied Mr. Miranda access to 
an attorney, he just hadn't asked for one.  The Court figured once you 
have an attorney present, it's his fault if you miss alot of things, but 
until you have that lawyer with you it's a bit unreasonable to require 
you to know that you need not respond to interrogation.

On the other hand, I know nothing about Oswald's story.  Was he 
interrogated?  Did he have a lawyer?  Would he have been convicted 
without the evidence from that interrogation (in which case it would be 
deemed "harmless error," especially in today's judicial climate)?
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