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From: esb@thanatos.slip.uiuc.edu (Eric Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: FOR SALE: F-1 Illustrator
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:48:09 GMT
Organization: Damage Inc.


FOR SALE:

- F-1 Illustrator
- 7 oz. CA Tank
- Hardshell Case (handgun style)
- Sight Feeder w/elbow for the F-1 (holds approx. 120 paintballs)

About 1 1/2 years old (#2802).  Cleaned and lubricated
after each use.  Some new parts (including connecting pin and o-rings).

PRICE: All for $250.00 (US)

Reason for selling:  I'm just a poor college student and I really need the
money.  Unfortunately I just don't have the time or funds to play  
paintball this year.  Maybe when I graduate...;-)

This has been a great gun, I just can't affort to keep it.

Eric S. Brown
e-mail to: esb31658@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
phone: (217) 359-0010

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From: ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Franklin Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: paint use
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:19:27 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA





 On an average day of practice I wll shoot 2000-3000 rounds with my
Bud Orr pump gun, it has a hand built auto trigger but other than that
it is essentially stock.  I don't know why other people use more, it may
be due to the terrain in New Mexico, but I am not sure.  I know my paint
consumption doubled when I had a sponsor picking up the tab.  At a
tournament I will shoot over a thousand rounds in a single game and
maybe get one elimination.  However the two crawlers that I am covering
may get the crucial three eliminations that blow a side and win the
game.  Something to think about.
                                Alexander Rose of the IRONMEN
 
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: CA Tanks available
Keywords: CO2 CA Paintball
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.200842.4875@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>In article <BvEH7v.C9K@medar.com> jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.193227.1741@ifi.unizh.ch> kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>>>the f1 works fine with standard bottleds, but is more consisten if used
>>>wiht a siphon, although it's a pain top get it below 300fps on siphon.
>>>
>>
>>Uh, I'm pretty sure I read in the owners manual that you are
>>absolutely, positively NOT supposed to use liquid on an F1.
>>Do you, perhaps, mean "anti-siphon"?
>>
>
>Well, putting a siphon tank on the Illustrator will work.  It doesn't
>explode or aynthing harmful.  The long term effects are unknown though.

after 150 shots of rapid fire, the valve will  freeze. with standard
bottle, the bnottle freezes after 50 shots...


cu
-pete



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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Black Rain conversion
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:03:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.185711.2118@philabs.philips.com> sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman) writes:
>
>    If you get a chance , can you post the info on getting your gun setup
>  with this conversion, cost etc...   ????
>
>
back bottle $249
bottom line $289

cu
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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: paint use
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.010952.9795@hsv3.lsil.com> richhg@hsv3.lsil.com (Rich Henderson-Gragg) writes:
>in an article Albert Wong writes:
>>Hee, if I had someone bankrolling the paint supply, I'd be a tad more
>>"liberal" with the paint too. ^_^  2000-3000 rounds during practice, eh?
>>So, your the one driving up the paintball prices. ^_^
>
>    No No Albert.  He's helping to drive the prices down.  More volume
>less per unit cost. ;).

Heh, supply and demand.  He's using up the existing supply and prices go up
becuase there is less paint to go around. ^_^

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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Black Balls
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:30:22 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <3276@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
>henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>> >Both of these had bright tracer shots mixed in, and both were absolutely
>> >impossible to track anyhow.  It's even worse if you're in shadow or it's
>> >overcast... the balls come out of your gun and vanish.  I'd never use
>> >them again.
>> Are you sure they are impossible to track?
>
>I've used black balls in two types of terrain (light forest and
>heavy brush) and the balls just vanished into both.
>

and they come out of nowhere when you're the target :-)
2 sides to everything


cu
-pete


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From: wampner@cs.ucf.edu (Eric Wampner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: whine whine
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:46:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep29.184612.10573
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando


Well, I have a PMI-III (seems silly to call it a vm-68, when I bought it
as a PMI-III), with a stock barrell, I find that at least on the field I
go to, we have a good mix of pump and semi guns. People that spray and
pray get taken out rather quickly by people who run around. Of course,
if you get pinned, or don't know to get the heck out of there, you will
definitely die. We have about 40 acres, with a 200 ft square town in one
corner. the rest is florida pine trees, palmetto and open grass areas.
the open fields are big spray areas, with second the town, but in
the palmetto bushes it is very difficult to get good shots in, so
all fire is somewhat inneffective unless you are within 25-50ft. (barring
paths, etc). Stealth is pretty big here, and communication (depending
on what side you are on). We don't have any professionals except
maybe once or twice a year The Doom Troopers will happen by, we
mainly have newbies and wannabie's. 

My tactics: Either keep your butt in one place until they are within
ten feet of you, or constantly stay moving, suppression/intimidation
works well for short periods of time, but you really have to be doing
something with that time. I stay under 200 rounds per game, but
the games are pretty quick (20-40mins). 
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:53:43 GMT

In article <D88-JWA.92Sep20174533@dront.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:
>> trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>
>   does one need/want to use a smoke grenade on the field?  It seems like a  
>   lot of fun, but what practical purpose does it serve?
>
>Cover, and/or diversion. Just like in a real battle...
>You could throw smoke to hinder people from seeing you (and
>see how many you are) OR you could throw smoke to fool people
>into believing you're there...
>

i love those toys. smoke is great for cover. i use the 3 min pull type.
on open terrain you need 2 or 3 for good cover. paint grenades are great
if i hear something sneaking up in the brush i can't pinpoint to shoot
at. just lob a grenad eor two and the bastard is gone. also great for
diversion. get the exploding type and people will jump out of cover :-)
also great for clearing buildings.
the plauymore mines are also cool.
had some probl;ems with range on radios.
might try a night game with night goggles some time.



cu
-pete



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From: aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu (My name is Andre...)
Subject: Re: whine whine
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:13:27 EDT

In article <1992Sep28.134746.255254@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES) writes:

>I played in a tournament this weekend and was completely surrounded by
>Automags the entire day. The paint of the day was squashed boxes of
>pink Ultra 98. I couldn't get my. 68 Specail to chrone wihtout breaking
>balls. Well it was back to case for old reliable Bud Orr Sniper.
>
>To get to the point I eliminated and/or brushed off numerous semi's
>with what one Automagger called a Dinosaur. I picked him off at least
>40 yards a way standing out playing hoseball. Semi's can make a player
>better in this "SPORT" but, there are many other skills that need to be
>developed that are taught by using a splat or pump.
>
>The biggest bunch of whiners and babies were the guys toting semi's
>playing hose ball that were eliminated by a pump. Not even a handshake
>or "good game". Definitely taking the "GAME" to serious. To you guys,
>semi's do not make you invincible.
>-- 

   Hmmmmm..... First of all, I too am an anti-"spray and pray" minded player,
even though I play with semis for the most part...  One thing I've noticed
from a lot of the more verbal "old-style" play is they always seem to mention
a situation where "I had a pump, and I kicked a whole load 'o semi players'
butts... And boy were they pissed!!"  It seems like you are implying that
they were pissed, simply because they were waxed by a pump...  Isn't it 
possible that maybe, they were pissed, merely for that fact that they got out
at all???  I know a LOT of spray and prayers and I'd have to say, I doubt
that they feel like "they are invincible" or gods or whatnot simply cuz they
have semis......  Not a flame... merely a humorous observation...

 - Andre
From: coburn@informix.com (David Coburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Looking for a field in AR/MO
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:11:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <> I wrote:
>I'm on temporary assignment here in northwest Arkansas, and would
>appreciate any pointers to fields either here or in southwest Missouri.
>The only listing in the magazines list a field in northeast AR.
>
>Thanks!
>

Sorry about that, silly thing didn't append my .sig; here it is:

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From: tha54178@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hordemaster )
Subject: Crosman Guns..
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:41:15 GMT

I have heard that Crosman Airguns made a .68 cal paintball conversion barrel
for their model .357 pellet pistol.  I was wondering if this was true, and 
if so, where I could buy/order one in the Champaign-Urbana area (University
of Illinois).  Any information would be welcomed...Thanx...
			T.	
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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Machine Pistol?
Originator: sew@condor
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:45:38 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.194747.1898@ifi.unizh.ch>, kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
|> there are several replicas of guns (1:1) available which shoot 6mm
|> paint...
 
   From what I've seen there are paintbullets for almost any gun out there,
   real or replica. 

   As for the pain mentioned in another article, The dealer I spoke with
   said you definately get a bruise mark. Precautions must also be taken
   further than just a mask and goggles, usually some kind of complete head 
   gear. 

|> 
|> cu
|> -pete
|> 
|> 
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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: --==>  OSU Paintball ??  <==--
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 02:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.225020.29741@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:
>Lots of action!! If you are an OSU student, there is the Buckeye Brigade (OSU 
>Paintball club) I highly recommend it. It offers great values, and is just 
>generally a good time. Meetings are every Thursday at 7:00 pm in room 245 
>Larkins. I'll be happy to answer any questions (to the best of my ability) 
>about local dealers and fields.

OK, first question :).... How local is the closest field?  I remember seeing it on TV about a year or so ago, but the field was about an hour away.

>I will most likely be starting a team within the next few months. Have you ever
>played before?

No, but I'm a fast learner :).  Im excited to learn more about it, although my time during winter quarter is going to be practically nil.

Is it played all year, or just during au, wi, and sp quarters?  I think spring/fall would be best because it is neither too hot or too cold.

Thanks,
JT
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Subject: Re: machine guns
From: anthrax@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:53:57 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Sep28.125231.17911@philabs.philips.com>, sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman) writes:
> 
>>(on the otherhand I heard than marines train with Apez elite, hmm...enl..)
>>-- 
>>" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
>>space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck
>>
>>HenryC@Panix.Com
> 
> 
>   The marines train with real weapons. They use a special 'bullet'.
>  Basically it's the same as a real bullet but instead of a slug, it's
>  a paint pellet. I was talking with a gun dealer( he deals to the FBI,
>  state & local police ) and we started talking about paintball when
>  he pulled out a box of what I thought were .38's, except they had
>  colored slugs. I asked why they were colored and he said they were
>  paintbullets. They have a small gun powder charge to propell them
>  --roughly-- 300 fps. He had them for 9mm, .357, .44, .50, .22, .25
>  and just about any other handgun or rifle on the market. 
>   He said the marines used to train with paintball guns, but now use 
>  this new system. They're more accurate and have a longer range.
>  And you definately don't want to get hit if at all possible.

Yeah, it's called Simunition, they have ads in almost every issue of Law and
Order and Police magainze (which I subscribe to).  The nice thing about these
rounds is that you can use your normal duty weapon instead of a paintball gun.
It's a definate improvement over painguns.
 
Eric Huber
Mankato State University
Law Enforcement Program


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From: bjs@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Automag
Organization: We Dont Need No Stinking Organization
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 00:17:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.225734.29859@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum) writes:

>What I'm trying to say, is.... Are there any drawbacks to the Automag (besides 
Not from what I have noticed, I am very impressed with the gun.

>the $530 w/powerfeed and crownpoint price tag -OUCH)? If anyone can find 
>a way to convince me its not worth it, my wallet would be much happier.

Aaron, Don't get the crownpoint for sure.  Not worth the money, if you want
another barrel get the SMART-PARTS Barrel.  As for Powerfeed well the gun
shoots plenty fast enuf without it.  And the standard feed has yet to not
feed the ball quick enuf for me.  Also it blocks looking down the barrel 
for sighting.

AutoMag			$380 (standard feed, standard barrel)
SmartParts Barrel	$100 
LiquidControlValve Tank $ 60 
			----
			$540  

You will have the best gun on the market, with the best barrel.  For these
prices call DRACO in Georiga 1-800-642-5039.  Very good service,  If you
get the machine leave a message they will get back with ya. I am not
at all related with the company, just a satified customer.


Bjs



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From: Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Non-paint toys in Paintball games
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:27:09 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

A friend of mine likes to set up battery operated motion-sensing sirens around
the flag stations.  Tons of fun in night games, and in day time you don't need
to leave a 'screamer' behind to let you know when the enemy has nicked your
flag.  These devices sell for around 20 Canuck bucks around here in hardware
stores.
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From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: armson sight question
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:35:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct6.022422.26799@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>
>Last weekend I went to my local paintball store to order a Armson sight.
>The dealer told me that the sight wouldn't fit on my Bushmaster nor the
>Illustrator and Pro-Am I was comtemplating on mounting in the near future.

The Armson sight is that flourescent dot thing?  Being that most of these
sights (Red Dot, Armson et al) were originally for real guns, I would
suspect that the Armson would fit any gun with the standard sight rail.
Did said dealer have the Armson in the store?  It would be a simple matter
to grab a Pro-am from the display and try it.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:28:34 -0400 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: paint use
	<9209290713.AA12069@beach.cis.ufl.edu>

Brian or people curious about barrels,
    Since I just moved from California to Pittsburgh to go to Carnegie
Mellon I have had a chance to spend a lot of time with Bill Gardner
captain of the All Americans and owner of Smart Parts.  I happened to
know that he has tested everything out there including the arneson
barrel and that it and all other barrels have come up short in these
tests.  The tests are obviously somewhat biased but I think that he does
them in the true interest of information and how to make his barrel
better.  Bill has used every thing that he can think of, including high
speed photography and extensive field and shop testing that I can
personally attest to.  We are sponsored by Bud Orr and because of that
we were not allowed to take the sponsorship offered by Bill as a
conflict in Bud Orr's trademarked accuracy.  However it was not due to
lack of desire on the part of the team.  I also would like to say that
Bud's barrels are the best barrels on the market of their type, a fact
that you have obviously attested to in your use of the Automag.  However
the All Americans have switched to Automags as well and are having
tremendous success and have redesigned a smart parts barrel just for it
that is conveniently shorter and more accurate.
    I would highly recommend the barrel over anything out there and I
think that it is well worth the investment.  Also order directly from
bill if you can and mention that I recommended it and you may get some
special treatment or at least some good advice.  I would like to talk
about some of the tournys too but maybe in my next entry.  I am a little
uptight right now and because the All American's won the World Cup last
week and I felt that we got the short end of the stick in the winners
bracket that should have seated us in the finals.  The funny thing was
that we beat the first and second place team at that tourny and have
beaten the third place team every game that we have ever played against
them.  Enough justification, bottom line the All Americans won and they
are a good team and they are getting better.
                    Zander of the IRONMEN