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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:26:24
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In-reply-to: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu's message of Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:34:32 GMT

In article <NELSON.92Oct10233432@cheetah.clarkson.edu> nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) writes:

      cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:

      And....to all of you who think the problem with the US is
      business regulation, I say, I hope you drown in the pollution
      or are hurt by an end to safety standards that an end to business
      regulation would cause!!!!!

   Carolyn, I think you're confusing causes.  Pollution is fundamentally
   a private property problem, where someone lets their private property
   get onto public property.  You notice that one party polluting another
   party's private property just isn't a problem.

This is not true.  For example, much of the toxic waste problem occurs
on private property.  And this argument does not address the issue of
air pollution in its various forms (everything from local smog to
depletion of the ozone layer), nor does it address pollution in the
oceans, neither of which are eligible for private ownership in any way I
can envision.
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Xref: sparky alt.politics.democrats.d:217 soc.culture.canada:7527
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: NET CHALLENGE
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:39:37 GMT
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca

cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:

>>>>>> Of course, people like Einstein and Oppenheimer wouldn't agree with you,
>>>>>> but they probably wouldn't count as scientists to you because they
>>>>>> didn't listen to Rush.
>>>> 
>>>> 	   Oh yeah?  Quote them!
>>> 
>>> Yawn.  Like shooting fish in a barrel...
>>> 
>>> [ long Einstein quote deleted ]
>
>Ok Einstein, you've made your point.  Beating a dead horse just
>too much fun for you, eh?
>
>No wait, that won't work...
>
>LONG LIVE THE GREAT Terence Michael Labach !
>LONG LIVE THE GREAT Terence Michael Labach !
>
>He can endlessly quote Einstein and beleive that this makes 
>him right!  He can actually dwell on a single remark and 
>think it gives his platform universal scope!
>
>LONG LIVE THE GREAT Terence Michael Labach !
>Everyone go home and masturbate with thoughts only of him!

Oh Chris, you can call me Terry...

- terry -

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"I wish I had the opposite sex drooling at my image!"
C. Armour-Kidson, cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca, in alt.supermodels

 Thanks to the e-correspondent who sent me this gem!  If you have your own
 favourite C. Armour-Kidson quotation, please feel free to send it to me.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Bush is...
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:57:46 GMT


In article <1992Sep27.095613.5527@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, 
sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) said:

> It seems like anytime someone talks about politics there's this
> seething hatred for our President and Vice-President.

Not surprising.  I find Bush to be an eminently detestable man, myself.
(I can't say the same about Quayle because he, like Reagan before him,
gives the overwhelming impression of being to dumb to be worthy of any
emotion  beyond a vague sense of distaste.)

> I sit to watch an entertainment show and it's a Clinton/Gore
> soapbox, and people say that's cool, freedom of speech and all that
> ood stuff, and yet totally lose it when Rush Limbagh comes on- I
> always hear someone saying how he should be silenced. This comes
> from people who a few minutes earlier were defending free speech,
> demanding that someone be silenced.

Can you give any details about cases where someone has demanded that
Limbaugh be silenced?  (As opposed to people merely saying that they
wish he'd shut up, that is.)

> I have personally lost track of all the times my rights to free
> speech were taken away. I've been denounced as a racist merely
> because I oppose the welfare system, I got in trouble in high school
> for promoting our space program, and one time I was called a racist
> bigot because I called the rioters in LA murderers and thieves.
> That's hyprocrisy!

None of the examples you give look like cases of your rights to free
speech being taken away.  Being told that your opinions are unpopular
is not the same thing as being told that you may not express them.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Rush is...
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.175409.18425@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:

>There are a lot of people posting to this group who DO heckle
>Democrats (eg., calling them "socialists").  

Some people believe in calling a spade a spade.  The Democrats advocate 
state control as the solution to every problem in society, the redistribution
of wealth, and no limits (except perhaps on speech and press when it suits
them) on the power of government to meddle in private affairs.  Of course,
in certain cases like they happen to take a position which doesn't involve
government force, but I can't think of an issue for which the basis of that
positon is taken because they don't think that the proper powers of the 
government extend there.  

If the democrats are not socialists, what are they?  They do bear some
resemblance to fascists (as do the republicans), but "socialism" is 
probably the most appropriate description of the democratic philosophy.

You might not like that epithet, but that doesn't make it an empty insult.

--Brian
 


Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:34:32 GMT

   cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:

   And....to all of you who think the problem with the US is
   business regulation, I say, I hope you drown in the pollution
   or are hurt by an end to safety standards that an end to business
   regulation would cause!!!!!

Carolyn, I think you're confusing causes.  Pollution is fundamentally
a private property problem, where someone lets their private property
get onto public property.  You notice that one party polluting another
party's private property just isn't a problem.

No, pollution is a problem because it seems like no one owns public
property.  The people charged with protecting public property have been
doing a crummy job.  I think this is a systemic problem.  Government cannot
be trusted to do a good job, because governments don't have the incentive
that a private property owner does.

Now, safety problems are another matter completely.  Do you think that
people seek out dangerous jobs?  No, they do it because they need the
money.  The root cause of the problem is not enough safe jobs.

But are regulations to turn dangerous jobs into safe jobs necessarily
the best answer?  I don't think so.  Perhaps one of the following
solutions might be better:

  o Produce a study showing which jobs are safest, and let the workers
    choose the ones they want.
  o Start your own business that provides safe employment.  This will
    increase the local demand for safe jobs, forcing the manufacturers
    to make their jobs safer.
  o Create a Safe Employment Foundation, that pays manufacturers who make
    their jobs safer.

As you can see, I have a principled objection to forcing people to do
things, even if the end is good.  The force behind regulations is
ultimately backed by violence, which is evil.

--
--russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> I'm proud to be a humble Quaker.
Peace is not the absence of war.  Peace is the presence of a system for
resolving conflicts before war becomes necessary.  War never creates peace.
Xref: sparky alt.politics.democrats.d:215 soc.culture.canada:7515
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: NET CHALLENGE
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:55:10 GMT
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca

cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:

From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca       From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca         
      (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)               (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)           
Subject: Re: You're a racist!       Subject: Re: You're a racist!         
         statements                          statements                   
Originator:                         Originator:                           
    cs911461@t05.ariel.yorku.ca         cs911461@a01.ariel.yorku.ca       
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:54:31 GMT  Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:17:44 GMT   
                                                                          
Sorry, I've never listened to Rush. >> "Basically, "whitey" must          
My thoughts and observations are my >> encourage the dark races so that   
own; I detest plagiarism.           >> they'll be lenient when they take  
				    >> over."  - cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca  
				    >> (CHRISTIAN D.  ARMOUR) in          
				    >> <1992Oct1.012930.10466             
				    >> @newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>           
				                                          
				    AND TO CONCLUDE...                    
				                                          
				    You style yourself as such a          
				    well-read literary expert.  Surely    
				    you must have noticed that the quote  
				    used in your signature is from:       
				                                          
				    *** None other than the famous        
				    CANADIAN poet *** ***                 
				    LEONARD COHEN ***                     
				    *** in his work ***                   
				    *** "The last tourist in Havana ***   
				    *** turns his thoughts homeward" ***  
				                                          
				    I thought for sure that you'd get     
				    that, being the well-versed Canadian  
				    literary critic that you are.         
				    Pfft...                               


So, you hate plagiarism, but the quote above from my .sig that I took from
one of your postings and which you used WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION is by Leonard
Cohen (or so you say).  Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me.  No
wonder people don't trust you when you talk about how whites are treated as
criminals in Canada.

- terry -
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"Everyone knows that the dice are loaded.
 Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed.
 Everybody knows the war is over. Everybody knows the good guys lost.
 Everybody knows the fight was fixed: the poor stay poor, the rich get rich.
 That's how it goes. Everybody knows."
 - Leonard Cohen, _Everybody Knows_
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:06:09 GMT
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Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct6.173553.18800@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes: 
> In article <LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes: 
> 
> >> Of course, people like Einstein and Oppenheimer wouldn't agree with you,
> >> but they probably wouldn't count as scientists to you because they
> >> didn't listen to Rush.
> 
> 	   Oh yeah?  Quote them!

Like shooting a really slow, not-too-bright fish who has spent its entire
life reading nothing more mentally taxing than "The Family Circus"...

"In some sort of crude sense which no vulgarity, no humor, no overstatement
 can quite extinguish, the physicists have known sin; and this is a
 knowledge which they cannot lose."
 - Robert Oppenheimer, on the atomic bomb

"I feel I have blood on my hands."
 - Robert Oppenheimer, on the atomic bomb, to Harry Truman

"The connection of science with war has grown gradually more and more
 intimate."
 - Bertrand Russell


And finally, Mr. Christian, a quote just for you...

"Give me a man or woman who has read a thousand books and you give me an
 interesting companion.  Give me a man or woman who has read perhaps
 three and you give me a dangerous enemy indeed."

 - Anne Rice, The Witching Hour

I suggest to you that you might make a better debating partner if you
had the slightest clue about what you were discussing and if you took the
time to discover Einstein's beliefs on the role of science in society
before you assumed he would agree with you just because you are the
mighty cs911461.

Plus, you might do something about your delusions about the great anti-white
conspiracy.

- terry -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'"Whitey" must think about golf or something whenever he passes a female
 who's religion ordains that she wear a scarf on her head and not show her
 legs to anyone but her husband because this is such an admirable custom.'

 - cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR), in
   alt.politics.democrat.d, complaining about how hard white people have
   it in Canada
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: cs911461@t05.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:02:32 GMT


In article <LABACH.92Oct7125445@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct6.173553.18800@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
>> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes: 
>> > In article <LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
>> > labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes: 
>> > 
>> > >> Of course, people like Einstein and Oppenheimer wouldn't agree with you,
>> > >> but they probably wouldn't count as scientists to you because they
>> > >> didn't listen to Rush.
>> > 
>> > 	   Oh yeah?  Quote them!
>> 
>> Yawn.  Like shooting fish in a barrel...
>> 
>> [ long Einstein quote deleted ]


Ok Einstein, you've made your point.  Beating a dead horse just
too much fun for you, eh?

No wait, that won't work...

LONG LIVE THE GREAT Terence Michael Labach !
LONG LIVE THE GREAT Terence Michael Labach !

He can endlessly quote Einstein and beleive that this makes 
him right!  He can actually dwell on a single remark and 
think it gives his platform universal scope!

LONG LIVE THE GREAT Terence Michael Labach !
Everyone go home and masturbate with thoughts only of him!



C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca

Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:28:54 GMT
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Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1992Oct8.004854.3141@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes: 
 >> In article <LABACH.92Oct6084859@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
 >> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes: 
 >> 
 >>>> saying.  Of course, science students are all in favour for it and it's
 >>>> usually humanities and fine arts who oppose it.  If someone were to make
 >>>> a perfectly legitimate statement like: "Science is science; there is no
 >>>> such thing as 'military' science", they'll tar and feather you.
 >
 >>> By the way, chuckles, I'm a physicist.  Just so you don't think all
 >>> scientists agree with your paranoid delusions.  I also helped found the
 >>> U of Saskatchewan chapter of Canadian Student Pugwash, a group of
 >>> science students who take the time to consider the morality of their
 >>> work and of science.  Scientists with morals are not as non-existent as
 >>> you'd like to believe.
 >
 >Scientists with YOUR morals.  Who's to say that your morals
 >are the right ones?  Are you a "Jesus"?
 
You're missing the point (again).  You said that science students are
"all in favour" of some military spending project at York.  I pointed
out that not all science students get a hard-on for military work.
While I don't know any current science students at York, I have known
some in the past who would not have agreed with you.

You must have a very limited experience of the world to imagine that
everyone can be placed in neat little boxes - white supremacist
undergraduate scientists vs. vegetarian eco-freaks, WASPs against the
non-white races - but that's OK, you'll grow out of it.

(That being said, I don't think building the atomic bomb during WW II
was a bad thing.  That should confuse your black and white view of the
world! :-)

- terry -
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"Basically, "whitey" must encourage the dark races so that they'll be
 lenient when they take over."
 - cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D.  ARMOUR) 
 in <1992Oct1.012930.10466 @newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.culture.canada
From: cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR)
Subject: Re: Canadian Cowardice (was: Re: White-colour criminals)
Originator: cs911461@a02.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:52:04 GMT


In article <1992Oct16.171302.15725@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:

>> Mr. Dombrowski, and to a lesser extent your sister,
>> has been the victim of the racism of 1 student
>> and her parents. While unfortunate, it may come as news to 
>> you that other ethnic groups -- blacks, asians -- have
>> also experienced racism. I myself have experienced racism,
>> but don't claim to be treated as a criminal in Canada because
>> of a few isolated acts of racism by misguided individuals.

	This is still indicative of a growing sense of what is
	acceptable.  White people are born racist and have to 
	prove otherwise; non-whites are born oppressed and must
	fight to escape.  If I can document at least one recent
	example of this then logically, it will happen again.

	If this is not so, why is every single ethnic group
	encouraged to form ethnic leagues on university 
	campuses (as they do here) but an "anglo-saxon
	students association" would consitute racism?  My 
	question to the world is whether reverse-racism is the 
	proper way to correct history?

	[I personally believe that multiculturalism is a tool
	used by the government to keep immigrants happy so that
	they won't complain when the only jobs they can get is
	cleaning toilets and sweeping streets.  It's veiled 
	racism (amounting to slavery) and it stinks.]

>> I think you've lost some credibility here by claiming that
>> you are treated as a criminal because you have been flamed!
>> 
>> Any fool on internet knows that if he/she posts to the net,
>> he/she is quite likely to be flamed. Don't whine because
>> you are flamed, and don't base your conspiracy theory
>> on the fact you've been flamed.

	On the contrary.  I love being flamed.  And I'm not
	on a "conspiracy" trip.  I report what I observe.

	To clarify, I never said that I was treated like a 
	criminal because I was flamed.  I used the line in my
	very first post, which is what drew the flames.  It is
	popularly referred to as the "whitey" post and can be 
	obtained either from myself or Mr. Labach (who main-
	tains a permanent collection of my works) or if enough
	interest warrants, can be reposted.

	BTW, what is uiuc?  The Unemployment Insurance University
	of Canada?  :-)


C. Armour-Kidson
cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:39:31 GMT

John Moore of Scottsdale, Arizona writes that he is not against all
federal regulations, but .....

Perhaps you should die because the FDA doesn't approve a medication needed
for your treatment.
Perhaps you should lose your job because of unnecessary environmental standards.
Perhaps you should starve because the minimum wage is raised too much by 
a Democratic congress.

I am glad that Moore recognizes that not all regulations are unnecessary.
Some people seem to believe that they are.  I am merely suspicious of
business groups who are on the warpath to elminate regulations that
they think harm them.  For example, logging groups who want the right
to log giant redwoods as they see fit.  Whose interests are they looking
out for?  

I am also concerned about groups that would keep the minimum wage
unreasonably low.  How long was it at around $3.00/hour?  
When the minimum wage is that low, there is no motivation to
get off welfare.  The minimum wage needs to be marginally livable.

This country has a lot of problems, but business and industry have
done a pretty good job on their own in lobbying congress to 
eliminate unnecessary regulations.  I simply object to
people who think that regulations are the big problem in this country,
(and that seems to be the only problem Bush can see), instead of
education, poverty, health care, crime, justice, etc.

Carolyn Adams-Price
Department of Psychology 
Mississippi State University
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: CLINTON: Alert! IMPOSTER is posting as Clinton For President
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:53:57 GMT


Readers,

	Compuserve user id: 73266,3110  is NOT CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT

Please report any bogus posts by this UID.  I will send copies to
Compuserve management until this situation is corrected.

Thank you very much
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