HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Four Food Groups (was Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources)
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick) says:
>In article <1992Oct8.002055.21267@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>Not at all.  The four food groups are sugar, starch, fat and salt.
>>Petroleum is obviously a member of the fat family.
>
>Wait a second.  I thought the 4 food groups were alcohol, caffeine, fat, and
>sugar. Therefore Irish Coffee is the perfect food.  Right?

I thought the four food groups were dark chocolate, milk chocolate, 
white chocolate, and chocolate fudge.

*Paul
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From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Homeopathy
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:07:25 GMT
	<BSIMON.92Oct13075428@elvis.stsci.edu> <5927@tuegate.tue.nl>
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.

First, my previous posting was based on my best recollection of the
articles in Nature and the coverage in New Scientist. I have one
correction to make, the study concerned basophil degranulation in
response to homeopathic dilutions of antiserum to ImG E, not
histamine. 

Your comments add a very interesting chapter to the story. Are they
the result of a personal communication, or were they published
somewhere? And am I correct in inferring that you are accusing the
French researchers of fraud?

In any case, support for homeopathic medicine does not rest solely or
even principally on Benveniste's research. I will email a brief
summary of research in allopathic medical journals which has supported
homeopathiy to anyone who missed it and asks.
--
Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		similia similibus curantur
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: Centigrade (was: What body temp for cardiac surgery?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:46:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.173528.11346@kestrel.edu>
king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
 
>In article <1687B77B5.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:
>>  F      C
>> ---    ---
>>  98.6   37    Human body temp
>
>One of my pet peeves is phoney significant figures.
>
>Human variability being what it is, body temperature is somewhere between 36
>1/2 and 37 1/2.  There is this much variation between individuals and even one
>individual will have swings of a couple of tenths of a degree C during the day.
Well, actually, it also varies depending on how you measure it!  (under the
tongue, in the armpit, or in the rectum)
 
However, my mom told me when I was quite small that the right temperature
for a thermometer stuck under the tongue was 98.6 degrees F.  I've since
learned of variations on that figure (my own body temp runs about 1 degree
F lower); but that figure learned in early childhood still comes to mind
first.
 
So, want to insult my mom?  (-:
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bonnie@nmsu.edu (Bonnie Hargrave)
Subject: Re: Revisit the EBV syndrome, briefly?   hepititus?
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: sci
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:37:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.042242.14196@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
   >Various blood tests have not revealed much significant data.  High
   >uric acid (8.0), somewhat low thryoid levels for T3, and a mitral
   >valve abnormality.  Pulse, blood pressure, sugar level, even aerobic
   >capacity all look very good.  

   Well, the uric acid is a little high.  I'm not sure it's anything to
   get worried about.  You haven't been dieting stringently, have you? :-)/2

Nope -- overdosing on complex carbos and vegies, mostly.  Some days I
go back to old habits and eat a lot of sweeties. Then I get back on
track.  But now I wonder if the muscle pains I experience could be
connected, i.e. could these be pre-Gout signs.

   >The only test result that seems associable with the symptoms I'm
   >experiencing

   Um, what ARE they?  That might help.

Posted yesterday in nauseus detail.  Believe the header was 
	"Re:  Was MVP.  Now it's Hyperuricemia"
I can see it was a mistake for me to post my questions about different
test results under different headers.  This is leading to confusion.

   >2nd question: My mother-in-law thinks I should also be tested for
   >hepatitis.  Her suggestion is based on something my husband told her
   >about possible liver problems.

   It wouldn't surprise me if your doctor ordered a liver enzyme screening
   along with the other tests (generally AST/SGOT. and ALT/SGPT).  These are
   very non-specific tests which can indicate some degree of liver dysfunction,

Very good!  You win a license to practice medicine.  Seriously, I
didn't mean to throw in a trick question.  When I posted that, I'd
forgotten about the SGOT and SGPT results which were indeed elevated.
Obviously my husband did remember them since they had some meaning to
him, and relayed that info to his mum.  They were only borderline
elevations, though. 

Thanks for the clarifying information.  Guess the hep test can wait a
while. 
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		bonnie@nmsu.edu         
		Bonnie Hargrave
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: SHINGLES
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:38:10 GMT
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <2701@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
> And I know a 2YO who came down with chicken pox right after his father 
>got shingles.  Could this really be a coincidence?

Umm, no.  This isn't a coincidence at all.  The 2YO most likely caught
chickenpox from his father, as people with shingles are indeed contagious
for varicella virus.  

The question was whether being exposed to someone with chickenpox 
can provoke an episode of shingles.  I can't tell whether
the 2 or 3 postings relating anectdotes of this simply reflect that
both chickenpox and shingles are common or whether there's actually some
cause and effect.  My 11th edition Harrison's says, "Most patients
who develop herpes zoster have no history of exposure to other
individuals with VZV infection at that time."  Doesn't really answer
the question, though.
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: PHR82GE@TECHNION.BITNET (Gad Eilam)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Info about Lyme disease requested
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:52:40 GMT
Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.

Hi.Can anybody e-mail me the whole story of Lyme disease?In particular:
Symptoms,diagnosis and treatment.Here in Israel very few doctors know
about it.Also:Can its symptoms mimic the early symptoms of Parkinson
disease?
Thanks a lot,
Gad Eilam
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 20:15:28 MST
From: <CXKPV@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Pigeon Breast

When I told my cousin, Allen, about NETNEWS, he asked me to post a question for
 him.  He thanks you in advance.

Are there any surgeons or speciality centers (anywhere) that specialize in trea
ting pigeon breast (a malformation of the chest in which there is an abnormal p
rojection of the sternum or sternal region)?  Or, what are the next best places
 that treat deformities similar to these?  He would aslo like to know if there
are any good books or journals out there that might address this problem or if
anybody out there has had any experience with problems of the sternum.

cxkpv@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Flame wars on sci.med
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:53:50 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <16915@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> So I'm going to attempt to stop debating these people.  I will
> still answer questions and post information, but will try very
> hard to avoid responding to nonsense and getting drawn into
> flame wars with medical hobbyists.  

My only concern about this is that it may appear that we approve of
some alt.med-type post if we say nothing about it.  How is someone
looking here for help to suspect that the advice is flakey?  There
should be some way we can flag such a post without being drawn into
a holy war.  Perhaps something like "Readers should know that the
information in the above posting is inconsistent with conventional
scientific medicine".  If the initial poster fires back, we can
ignore subsequent postings and avoid being drawn into the flame
that way.
From: James_S._Bright.wbst129@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: UR library
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:28:16 GMT
Reply-To: JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com


Sorry this is a rather specific (locality) post. But if someone that attends UR
medical school or practices at Strong Memorial Hospital can offer suggestions,
I'd appreciate the help.

As you may have seen in a previous post, I am doing a little medical research
(posts "obscure blood diseases"). I called the Miner Library in Strong and
asked if I was able to use it. According to the person that I talked to,
because I am an undergraduate at another school, I do not have access to the
library. (If I was a grad student in some life science, a med or nursing
student, then I would have acess). Needless to say, I was a little urked. I
felt that I was being denied information. I could understand a "user's fee" of
some type, but I was flat out denied. Heck, I provide my services to Strong/UR
twice a week when I volunteer. All I am interested in doing is going to the
library and looking at a few books, maybe make a couple of copies to take with
me.

This was all done over the phone. I think I'm going to physically go to the
library. If they ask for student ID, I will show them mine, and then probably
be asked to leave. But, I'm looking for suggestions on what I could do to
prevent this. Any comments?

Thanks is advance.

jbright.wbst129@xerox.com

disclaimer: These views are strictly my own, are not meant to represent
Xerox, its associates, my parents, my school, nor my dog's.
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adolescent smoking in Japan and USA
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:45:20 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <9210091958.AA02911@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>, DFP10@ALBNYVM1.BITNET ("Donald F. Parsons MD") writes:
> Does anyone have info on this? A correlation between adolescent
> smoking and breast cancer has been demonstrated (Palmer et al., 1991
> Am J Epedemiology 134: 1-13) for US and Canada. However Japan even now
> still has a much lower rate of breast cancer. Have adolescents in Japan
> been slower to start smoking? Don

Smoking has a much lower correlation with breast cancer than heredity
does, which may explain why there is a lower incidence of this kind
of cancer in Japan.
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Violence Epidemiologists vs the Gun Lobby
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:26:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: Happy-Ma.1992Oct16.182628.17042
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Distribution: na
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399

In <llrpp_d@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:

>Among the myths that these articles lay to rest is the
>notion that the causes of violence are a non-medical
>(or strictly political) concern.

>"...when women killed with a gun, 'the victim was five times
>more likely to be their spouse, an intimate acquaintance,
>or a member of their family than to be a stranger or a
>person of undetermined relationship' ".

It would be very interesting to know how many of these women
would have been murder victims themselves had they not been
able to eliminate an abusive spouse/lover.  Merely because a
person is a "spouse, intimate acquaintance, or member of
their family" does not mean that the person did not deserve
to be shot.  Remember, too, that despite popular stereotypes,
rapes are quite likely to be committed by spouses, intimate
acquaintances, and members of the family.

Also, consider that the definitions of "stranger or
person of undetermined relationship" excludes many people
known to people who shoot other people, e.g. drug dealers
and customers know each other, so they don't fall in this
category when they shoot each other.

>"There is, it seems, an almost five-fold increase in the
>risk of suicide for those living in homes where guns are
>kept."

Correlation != causation, of course.  Could it be that
people who contemplate suicide go out and get the equipment
needed to do it properly?  In the unlikely event that I ever
decided to kill myself, I'd certainly want to do it right,
not end up a half-dead vegetable in some institution.

>My congratulations to Science for having the courage to publish
>this article. They will catch flak, but I think they can
>take it!

Let's hope they have the courage to publish responses
showing all the holes in the article's reasoning, too.

Note followups.
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Subject: Re: MEDICINE SLOWER TO CATCH UP
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:28:11

In article <1992Oct8.124004.24670@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:

   In article <1992Oct7.194609.4806@sr.com> dks@srhqla.sr.com (Dave K. Sprow) writes:

   >What brought this to my attention again is today's reports on CNN and
   >the newspapers that margarine is bad for you (yes, worse than butter)
   >and that is likely causes heart disease.  
   >
   >I find this both humorous and sad as this was another thing that was
   >nutritionally suggested to me many years ago.
   >
   >The article in the paper (L.A. Times) goes into depth about the original
   >Dutch study done on this reported in The NE Journal of Medicine in 1990.
   >"The Agriculture Department has now confirmed the Dutch study."  The
   >particular culprit is trans fatty acids.

   Just to be fair, I don't think I've ever heard margarine being medically
   recommended. Has anyone here?

Yes.  I have.  I've had it recommended by at least two different
nutritionists,  one of whom I was seeing as a patient,  the other was
giving talks on diets to lower cholesterol.  While both of them gave
good advice on lowering saturated fats and total fats in my diet, 
they also recommended margarine or other butter blends (which still
have the artificial fatty acids).  I always wondered about this,
although I really like the one I'm using.  After all,  a tablespoon
of fat is still a tablespoon of fat.

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From: dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Treatment for Brain Tumor
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:36:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: dcoxmac.dcox-161092153645
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: NSWC

I am posting this for a friend at work whose husband has
"glioblastoma," apparently an inoperable form of brain
tumor. He is undergoing radiation treatment, but the
prognosis is not good, and, naturally enough, as happens
when one becomes desparate, she is wondering if there
are *ANY* other possible treatments that may help save
her husbands life. 

This is actually a friend of a friend, I do not know much about
the situation, and feel a little bad about posting this question
without more knowledge. However, in the unlikely case that I
may be able to forward some useful information to this person,
I ask for any ideas that anyone may have. Thanks in advance.
 
David Cox
dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Using the net for Curbside Consults
Date: 13 Oct 1992 10:13:46 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Summary: An advantage of a public forum.

-*----
In article <1992Oct12.091919.335@news.wesleyan.edu>, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> The idea of physicians' using the net for curbside consults makes me just a tad
> nervous.  I mean, if my doc consults with someone (formally or informally) I
> HOPE its because either (1) she knows the person professionally & knows that
> this person is knowledgeable, wise, savvy, an expert, etc.; or (2) the person
> she consults with is involved in current research on the subject; or (3) she
> has some other way of ascertaining that she ought to take that particular
> person's opinions, ideas, etc. about the topic seriously.

In one important way, a public newsgroup is a *safer* place for
such queries.  A trusted colleague may be wrong about the one
question at issue, and because the dialogue was private, there is
no chance for correction.  In contrast, a question asked and
answered in public is seen by thousands of readers, creating
great opportunity for revision and refinement of the original
answer. 

For example, if one posts a logic question and receives a faulty
answer in sci.logic, it is quite likely that the answer will be
corrected, no matter how esoteric the question was.  Sometimes
the correction comes from someone who rarely posts, but who
merely scans the newsgroup for discussions related to her or his
field. 

A few other comments.  First, technical answers often carry
references.  Second, one can often tell something about the
responder's depth of knowledge from how they say what they say.
Third, an answer may suggest a new line of thought and be useful
without requiring the asker to accept any substantive claim. 

Certainly, good use of the net needs a good understanding of the
nature of this forum.  But I am more sanguine than the original
posted about its utility in this regard.

Russell
Xref: sparky sci.med:19270 sci.med.nutrition:946
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Gamma hydroxy butyrate =?= Human Growth Hormone releaser
Date: 16 Oct 1992 09:12:20 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mamba.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct10.182749.3098@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>[from the Tufts Nutrition Letter]
>
>        One magazine ad the researchers came across talked about a product
>        containing tryptophan, an amino acid that should have come off the
>        supplement market three years ago.  That's because some people who
>        took tryptophan tablets came down with a rare blood disorder called
>        eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, the symptoms of which include severe
>        muscle and joint pain, swelling of the arms and legs, high fevers,
>        and shortness of breath.  It's not that tryptophan itself presents
>        a danger; it's the fact that some tryptophan supplements were
>        improperly formulated -- that is, manufactured with impurities that
>        turned out to be quite harmful.  The FDA recalled all tryptophan
>        supplements in 1989, but to date they have been linked to more than
>        1,500 cases of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, 38 of which resulted
>        in death.

Does anyone else find the tone of this paragraph quite insulting?

As though consumers couldn't simply be told that the EM syndrome was due to
a specific impurity in a specific batch of tryptophan made by a specific
producer (Showa Denko) three years ago, which has all been recalled, and
that the FDA's refusal to reauthorize its sale is simply silly.

It's as though the "medical community" feels the need to gather
round any authority that could be viewed as a source of received
wisdom, just so long as they don't give in to the dangerous precedent
of once allowing the medical consumer to make his own decision, even on
an issue which has _nothing_ to do with medical science.

I hope (and assume) that not all doctors feel this way.

c
From: James_S._Bright.wbst129@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com


Kay wrote:

>I've supervised biology laboratory exercises where students can type
>their own blood.  It's kinda funny and pathetic to watch-- some will
>shut their eyes, take an almighty stab at their fingertip with the
>lancet (and miss entirely), and still yell OUCH!.  They get the
>oddest looks on their faces when they open their eyes and see no blood.
>
>Or the students who watch other students.  Student A sticks own finger.
>Student B yelps as if in great pain....

This is interesting. This week when I gave blood, I watched the IV actually go
into my own vein (first time I was ever brave enough to watch). Maybe it was
the nurse, but I didn't feel any pain at all. This, opposed to when I turn my
head, like I usually do, and feel a great stabbing pain in my arm as the IV
goes in.

When I didn't watch, I knew that a big "stick" was coming. When I actually saw
the procedure it was like "wow ... that wasn't bad at all. Kinda neat."

Just my two pennies...

jbright.wbst129@xerox.com

disclaimer: These views are strictly my own, are not meant to represent
Xerox, its associates, my parents, my school, nor my dog's.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: macridis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Gerry Macridis)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Orphenadrine in depression
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:41:02 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Summary: comments and questions
Keywords: Disipal

According to the New Ethicals Compendium, a New Zealand publication
containing prescribing information by trade name (presumably provided
by the manufacturers), one indication for Disipal (orphenadrine HCl),
an anticholinergic antiparkinsonian, is 'senile and presenile
depressions' - in doses of 50-150 mg/day.

The anticholinergic antiparkinsonians are often misused for euphoric
effects (and hallucinogenic effects in high doses).  Orphenadrine has
been stated to be more euphoric than other drugs of this class.  In
patients with parkinsonism, orphenadrine has been shown to have an
outstanding effect in relieving depression (1).

The indication 'senile and presenile depressions' has appeared in the
data on Disipal here in New Zealand only a couple of years or so ago.
One question I have is:  Has there been recent (i.e., in the past few
years) research into the use of orphenadrine for the treatment of
depression in patients not suffering from parkinsonism or drug-induced
extrapyramidal effects?  I cannot find any reference to this in the
latest issues of Martindale's Extra Pharmacopoeia or other
publications.

Another question I have, for clinicians, is:  What are your comments on
the trial use of small doses of orphenadrine in selected patients with
depression in general, who have not responded to conventional
antidepressant drugs?  Orphenadrine is a drug which has been available
for several decades and, as far as I understand, it does not have any
serious side effects.

(1) Onuaguluchi, G.  Assessment of Drug Therapy in Parkinsonism.
    British Medical Journal, February 16, 1963, p. 443-448.

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