From: jcj@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (j.johnk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Troy (was Re: SB: Supernatural experience
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:58:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr12.140717.28753@access.digex.com> kitty@access.digex.com (Ms. Kitty) writes:
>In article <ku9cfjINN92q@skat.usc.edu> marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks) writes:
>>tea@cis.ksu.edu (Troy E. Anderson) writes:
>>
>>>The recent de-aging of the characters in an attempt to attract younger
>>>viewers is bugging me, too.  For example:  Warren.  A responsible newspaper 
>>>editor and world renouned photographer suddenly gets a rock band and 
>>>begins singing again, 
>>
>>--you know they're gonna have to find SOME reason for Jack Wagner to
>>  sing occasionally :-)
>
>Isn't that part of his contract? :-)

I don't think it's part of his contract but the show is willing
to showcase it somewhat. (This is the understanding I got after
reading an article in one of the soap mags, SOUpdate, I think).
>
>>then begins teaching and wants to drink beer 
>>>with his students to try to get along with them better?  
>>
>>--to me this doesn't seem out of character for Warren
>
>Me either.  Warren seems like that sort of person.  After all, we just
>had him return to the show this time from a death sentence in prison.
>He spent a lot of his time before Angela getting drunk, so a beer or two
>doesn't seem out of character.
>
>>>in comparison to Angela and Warren (for instance) who are portrayed 
>>>as hopelessly aged adults trying to recapture their youth.  (i.e. the scene 
>>>at the Windsurfer on Wednesday when Warren and Angella 'hung out' with the
>>>'kids' until they got the chance to 'get out of there' to somewhere more
>>>'adult').  My point here is that I don't think that Warren and Angella in
>>>reality would necessarily think the Windsurfer is beneath them, yet in order
>>>to emphasize this recent age theme, they are being written to act as though
>>>they do. 
>>
>>--I didn't see this as an age gap, but rather a cultural gap for
>>  Angela, who's been running in high society for a long time.  I
>>  think Warren was annoyed that Angela took such an interest in Troy.
>
>Good point.  Angela did seem rather uncomfortable in that kind of a
>place.  Warren would have blended in quite nicely, except for all those
>kids calling him "professor" all the time.  Now *that* gets on my nerves.
>Do any of us really call our teachers that?  Maybe we use the "doctor"
>if they actually have a PhD or something, but certainly not "professor".
>And how many of us refer to teachers that politely when they're out of
>earshot.  I'd just call him "Lockridge".

I agree here about it being a cultural gap for Angela.  And this
professor thing, he really isn't a professor, so why don't they
just call him Mr Lockridge or hey you?
> 
>>Many of these changes predate the change in writers, but I have the
>>urge to CLASSIFY everything:
>>
>>Bad Mistakes:
>>
>>Kelly!!!
This was a BAD mistake.  However I recently heard that Davidson said
that when she took over she started receiving letters saying that
Kelly's IQ went up 30 points.  Could some people other then 
the writers or whoever like her?  I can't believe this.

>>CC & Santana
What's the deal here, one minute Santana is in court bringing
charges against her doctor and CC is in total support of her
doctor.  Then the next these two are in bed together.  I
don't like these tow together.

>>Vilifying Cassie and then dumping her
>>Trivializing Mason and Julia (I read somewhere that they were going to
>>	become the "stable" couple of SB.  Julia & Mason stable? HAH!)
>>Dumping Louise Sorrell (Augusta)

This had to be one of the worst mistakes they ever made. (IMHO)

>>Dumping Timothy Gibbs (Dash)
>
>I'd have to say getting rid of Timothy Gibbs was a good move.  I didn't
>see where else he could go, especially not paired off with Katrina.  But
>you missed another bad move -- turning Katrina into a mindless bimbo.  I
>agree she doesn't seem to have much of a place on the show anymore, but
>she doesn't deserve to be made into what they've done with her.
>
>We've also lost (apparently) all of the animosity between Mason and CC
>that kept their relationship so interesting.

I was thinking the same thing the other day, what's the deal.
It's one thing to make peace after all these years, but if
they did I wish they could have made a bigger deal about it.
Especially since Pamela was on the show not to long ago, which 
caused Mason and almost the entire family to stop speaking
for awhile.
>
>>Good Moves:
>>
>>Lily 
>>Rafe the smarmy sweet talker
>>Jody & Reese
>>Keeping Warren & Angela together

I agree here.  However, I think I read in Soap Opera Weekly (browsing
at the check out line) that some fans from Michigan and/or Oregon
want Warren and Angela broken up and Warren paired with Katrina.
Yes I said Katrina.  I almost fell down.  Katrina has no personaliaty,
as of late anyway.  (IMHO)  How do you netters feel about this?

>>David gets a personality
Yes, and pair him with Gina I see some comic sparks flying already.
How about a triangle. Gina, David and Lionel.  Lional was a riot
when Gina asked David over for dinner that time.

>>Gina gets a storyline
>
>Agree on all.
It certainly has a been a long time coming.  She is one of my favorites.
> 
>>Hope for the future:
>>
>>Jody will get Cruz away from Kelly
YES YES YES YES YES, can't you tell I don't like them together.
Kelly is growing on me (very slowly) but I can't stand her
and Cruz together.  He needs someone who can act.

>>Suzanne will get a love interest worthy of her (the guy who walked in
>>	on her in yesterday's preview is a GREAT actor.  I can't
>>	remember his name, but he played Michael Grande on OLTL)
I don't know his name but I think they had good chemistry,
both artists, and with him being somewhat concieted (spelling)
it pisses Ted off even more, could prove interesting.

>>Santana will be so pissed off by CC's concessions to Gina that she'll
>>	leave him (but not the show)
We can only hope.

>>Sophia will have a wacky (but passionate) affair with Lionel
>
>Agree on all except the last.  Sophia has already had numerous affairs
>with Lionel.  I think if she has one more with him, they'd better keep
>the two of them together.  If they don't want Sophia and Lionel to stay
>together then she should get back with that Ken, who seems to have
>disappeared.  I've never understood why CC is allowed to carry on while
>he and Sophia are separated and she never is.  
>
>I also hope Santana will have a miscarriage.  OK, that's not a nice
>thing to wish for, but honestly, do we want CC to have another kid
>wandering around out there.  It's a good thing he's so rich, he'd never
>be able to afford to buy them all birthday presents. :-)

Is he the only male in Santa Barbara or what.  All the kids
belong to him.  I agree with the miscarriage, granted it's
not a nice thing, but really another kid, what's gonna
happen when CC and Santana break up after the kid's born,
another custordy suit.

>
>I'd like to see more of Rafael and Rosa.  I think they make an
>interesting couple.

I agree.
>
>And finally, of course, I'd really like for Kelly to decide she can't be
>without Quinn, and have her go off forever, or until she can be
>reincarnated as Carrington Garland, to Spain.
Wouldn't this be nice.  And when she returned she could say that
she wasn't feeling like herself for awhile but the trip helped
her to regain her senses.  Oh I like this, can anyone else
elaborate on this.  (Make up our own storylines and then we
can submit them and all get new jobs as writers for SB,
okay I'm getting a little excited here, I'll try and calm
down).

>
>-- 
>Love to eat them mousies
>Mousie's what I love to eat.
>Bite they little heads off...
>Nibble on they tiny feet.   -- B. Kliban

Let's keep up the discussions.
Joyce
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