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From: caladan!seanews!finneyk@seattleu.edu (Ken Finney)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Zoom modem
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 18:10:10 PDT
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail

The latest issue of CompuServe (tm) Magazine (probably also tm)
has an ad by a company called Direct Micro for Zoom modems.  The
feature modem is a Zoom #VFXV32bis which is a V42, V32, V32bis,
MNP5, V42bis, and a 14.4 bps fax modem.  It comes with a 7 year
warranty and while the list proce is $449, Direct Micro is selling
them for $289 (+$9.50 shipping).  Can anyone tell me anything about
this modem?  Anything about Direct Micro?  Thanks is advance.

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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: PEP 
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 20:55:10 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:

> What is the actual baud rate of a Telebit PEP connection operating
> at 18000 or 19200 bps?  No, this isn't a koan...

   The Trailblazer (and T2500) operates at 18311 bps, but PEP overhead is much 
higher than, say, MNP's or V.42's.  As a result, PEP throughput (*real* 
figures, not inflated xferstats readings, thank you) are actually lower than 
those of a 14400 bps V.32bis modem, though you might have to patch your uucico 
to 7 packet windows to get this kind of throughput without spoofing.

   The T1000 (and version 1 Trailblazers... there have *got* to be some DCA 
Fastlinks out there!) are somewhat slower (11680 bps, says my T1000).

Geoffrey Welsh, 412-305 Margaret Avenue, Kitchener Ontario, N2H 6S4 Canada
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Loyalty Pays Again, PEP Upgrade, T3000 and WorldBlazer
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:48:55 GMT

gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
>The WorldBlazer is available under the Loyalty Pays Again offer.

Would someone please post or email the LPA details for those of
us who missed it?  Thanks.

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Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:6507 comp.sys.mac.comm:4564
From: tnixon@hayes.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:10:36 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Apr3.230641.16672@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
jsm2r@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (John S. Mitchell) writes: 

> Using the modem on a Mac IIsi, I set my software for hardware handshaking
> and a communication rate of 57600 (computer to modem). Much to my chagrin,
> the text that came through from all the bbs's I tried was marred by
> numerous dropouts, i.e. characters were missing in places where they should
> have been. This also happened if I changed the settings to software (XON/
> XOFF) flow control. 
> 
> Supra Tech solved my problem but only by dashing my hopes and dreams.
> Their story was that the Mac serial port can connect to modems at no better
> than 19200 baud. 

What software are you using?  This really sounds more like a 
software problem than a hardware problem to me.  Hayes Smartcom II 
can drive Hayes modems at 38400 or 57600 without data loss on my 
MacPlus (!), so I suspect it would also work on your IIsi.

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From: chris@surfcty.UUCP (Chris Johnston)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Relay clicks & modems in general
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 08:54:13 PDT
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

I have been reading quite a number of comments regarding LOUD
relay clicks in modems.  To make it brief, yes there is a relay
in all modems that tie into the central office lines.

Current regulations stipulate that the relay must be able to provide
isolation of around 3,000 volts.  That means a minimum spacing
of .06 inches is required between contacts.  That's a long distance
to travel when your total package size is that of a double-tall
14 pin IC.

The relay that is most commonly used is a DPDT type mechanical
(not reed) type that is inherently loud.  The brand name Aromat
and Potter&Brumfield are commonly used.  They and a number of
other manufacturers make cross-matched parts, so a company such
as Supra, etc... can get the part from just about anywhere in
a pinch.

The only thing that can be done to quiet up the relay would be to
perhaps make a better mounting for the modem PCB in the cabinet
or to figure out a way to keep the noise from translating to the
outside of the cabinet./

One thing that modem makers can do is to get rid of that cheezy
sounding poly speaker and get back to the good old paper cone
speakers.  Something that does not distort so easily, where you
can get good sound quality out of a small package.



Chris D. Johnston       714/289-8543 (Voice) 8AM~7PM PST
Surf City Software      714/289-1002 (Fax)
Orange, CA  92669       AppleLink: SURF.CITY
chris@surfcty.UUCP      surfcty!chris@UUNET.UU.NET
From: tinyguy@cs.mcgill.ca (Yeo-Hoon BAE)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re:  Supra Serial Numbers
Date: 5 Apr 92 01:38:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr5.013820.18681
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <ciaran.0mgp@aldhfn.akron.oh.us> ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Skip Watson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.065341.14958@newshost.lanl.gov> esalbert@scubed.com (Eric Salberta) writes:
>>In article <ELM.92Mar30135113@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Mar30.101926.2529@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) writes:
>>>=>I myself in 5 years have NEVER found not one persion that owned
>>>=>a Supra anything that didn't say that it was a piece of junk
>[...]
>>>
>>>Now you've found at least 1.  I'm totally satisfied with my Supra
>>>2400, which I'm parting with only when I get my Supra v.32bis.  The
>>>modem is built like a tank, and has survived several table-height
>>>drops.
>[...]
>>>--
>>Make that 2 -- I also have a Supra 2400, and just recently got a
>>SupraFAXModem (Serial # (14E) 900001, same as everybody :-)).  Put
>>me down as a satisfied customer.
>
>You can add another to that list. I have a Supra SCSI controller in the
>A2000 and have never had any problems with it. I have a Supra 500xp SCSI
>controller for the A500 that will be coming soon and expect no problems
>with it.
>	My SupraFaxModem just arrived yesterday (finally). The serial
>number is 14E 001030. Straight from the box, using Jr-Comm, it connected
>to the ZyXel v.32bis faxmodem (at 14,400), USR HST DS (at 14,400 and DLed a
>file at 1648 cps), Emerson 2400 MNP5, and various other 2400 modems. I'm
>currently working on getting to work with AmigaUUCP. That will take some
>tweaking of registers since the default is for even parity rather than none.
>	I'll let you know how it goes.
>
>Skip
>--
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>mitakuye oyasin      
>"Nothing is forgotten. Nothing is ever forgotten." (will be in Latin someday)

Make that 4 --- I've owned the original Supra 2400 for the last 3.5 years,
and had NO problems what so ever... My modem has been on 24 hours a day
for the last two years, and had no heating problems, and so on...
In fact, I have never heard about any complaints until the original
article here...

-TG


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From: elliot@wellspring.UUCP (Elliot H. Mednick)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: BOCA 14.4k Faxmodem?
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:06:52 GMT
Organization: Wellspring Solutions

Can someone review the BOCA v.32bis internal faxmodem for me please?
Thanks.  (Please send me mail as I don't think the general populous
is interested.)

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From: bud@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Pin Config for Hrdwre Hndskng Cable?
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:33:16 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Does anyone have a pin to pin wiring schematic to make a
mini-DIN-8/DB25 hardware handshaking cable for the Mac?

		Bud PInder

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: greendog@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Michael D Fischer)
Subject: Re: Final verdict on the Supra?
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:01:16 GMT
	<1992Apr15.083600.12619@unlv.edu>

In article <1992Apr15.083600.12619@unlv.edu> sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:

> (1) it drops carrier when you enter +++ to go into command mode

Hmm, mine has never done that, and I've used +++ to change things (even
baud rate) while logged on.  After my change an 'ato' puts me right
back on line.  And I have one of the infamous 000001 modems.

I however seem to have a problem with my speaker.  It often doesn't
make any noise (while dialing, negotiating, etc).  If I tap it lightly
it usually kicks in and starts screeching like normal.  Sounds like
a loose wire or some such.

Michaek
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: macheske@aero.org (Richard M. Macheske)
Subject: Help needed with Telebit T1600 modem.
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:11:28 GMT

I really need some guidance with the modem I just was given.
The modem is a Telebit T1600.  I've never used a modem before,
but am now expected to use this one to call the computers at
work.

I have been trying Procomm Plus 2.01 and the Windows terminal package.
Nothing seem to work correctly.

I have to call into the computer and have it call me back.  I have
been able to call into the computer, but when it calls back, my
computer won't answer it.

I need to know which setting to use in Procomm Plus (I assume it's
alot better than Windows).

I need a walk through on the hardware set-up.  Do I need to configure
the com port?

Could I have a TSR conflict..I don't run much.

Any and all help with be appreciated greatly.
Any guesses?
Thanks in advance

Rick Macheske
macheske@aero.org

From: vernon@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (Vernon King)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 21:50:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Supra v.32bis problems
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon, USA
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems

We had the same thing happen with +++ than ato with Multitech modems. The
problem turned out that the +++ would also put the remote modem into command
mode and since no one is at the other end could type ato you are stuck. The
solution is to change the +++ characters to something else on the remote
or local modem.

Vernon
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Keywords: supra, v.32bis, v32bis, mac, macintosh
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:29:39 GMT

In article <9APR199221222459@gamma.is.tcu.edu> williams@gamma.is.tcu.edu (MARK WILLIAMS) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.193355.10895@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes...
>>Why are you looking at it like it's a fight?  What he said was correct:
>>The Macintosh doesn't have enough lines to FULLY implement an RS-232
>>port....
>
>But --
>
>Apple does sell a NuBus 4-port serial card that uses DB25 connectors and the
>CTB.  Wonder if it fully supports RS232D?

One must also wonder how much that critter costs.  Hell, the SSC in my
Apple II cost over $100 back in '85...imagine how much that NuBus card
costs.  Compare that to all those serial boards out there for clones
that give you two ports for under $20...add $15 or so per port if you
want 16550s.

Apple IIs are fun machines, but they're hella expensive to upgrade
anymore.

(Don't even get me started on what I think about Macs...:-P )

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Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:6342 comp.sys.mac.comm:4478
From: glenn@gla-aux.uucp (Glenn Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:22:55 PST
Organization: The Pit Lane
Reply-To: glenn%gla-aux.uucp@skinner.cs.uoregon.edu
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Apr7.022942.29115@u.washington.edu> (comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm), dali@milton.u.washington.edu (David A. Lee) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.001144.27864@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff) writes:
> >
> >I'll assume that you have a hardware handshake cable from Mac to modem. The 
> >si can do HWH, but some of the cheaper or older Mac's can't.
> >
> >Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)
> 
> So you mean that we humble Mac Plus users can't get 57000 baud on a
> Supra or similiar modem?  What is the top speed a Plus' serial port
> can take??

Theoretically, a Plus can handle 57.6K, but only when AppleTalk is not enabled.
As soon as AppleTalk is enabled (and you are hooked up to a network), 19.2K
is the maximum.  These numbers are the sustained transfer rates (supposedly).

Now for real life situations:

While working at Apple, I developed a multi-session CTB application (btw,
NOT MacTerminal 3.0).  During demonstrations, a Plus could sustain 1K XMODEM
transfers over any 5 of the 2 serial port connections plus 4 ADSP connections.
A sixth transfer would end up timing out at some point.  Whether MacTerminal
3.0 can handle this load on a Plus is unknown (it was never tried, as far
as I know...).  The serial ports were set for 19.2K and AppleTalk was enabled
for the ADSP connections.

Unfortunately, Apple did not see fit to let me "keep" the application, and
it is now buried somewhere.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:33:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.181239.12720@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle) writes:
>>The Mac's serial ports are extremely versatile, and have an excellent serial
>>driver controlling them in asynchronous mode.
>*----
>If versatile means that the HSKi and HSKo pins can be used for many
>different things, I guess you're right.  I'd hardly call it versatile
>when every comm program treats them differently, and you have to
>think about what kind of cable you need for every serial device.
>Isn't this the kind of thing that's supposed to be invisible to
>users of "the computer for the rest of us"?
>
>Now, the PC has a versatile serial port.  You plug in a standard
>RS232 device and it works as expected!  That's versatile.
>--
>	Mike Berger
>	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
>	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
>	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu

Saying that RS232 always "works as expected" is kind of a reach
considering the multitude of "standard" RS-232 implementations
that I have seen.

I have both a Mac (and a PC) and have never had a comm program on my
Mac that didn't work with the same hardware handshaking cable that
I have always used.

There should be no argument that RS-422 (on the Mac & Sun) are
technically superior to RS-232. RS-422 can support up to at least
230 kbps with longer maximum cable length due to the balanced
transmit and recieve lines.

Regards,
Tom Karches

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:49:00 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash) writes:

>As someone in a similar position, I fear that you have the wrong end
>of the stick (-ish).  Telebit only offered the LP program (and LPA)
>to purchasers _inside_ the United States of America.  Whether the
>modem is legal or no in any foreign country.  I spoke to TB at length
>about this, and they are only prepared to take orders with a US
>shipping address.

There seems to be some major confusion here: you say TB is prepared to
take orders with a US shipping address, yet you also claim they only
offered the LP/LPA program to purchasers _inside_ the U.S. 

I emailed TB on this and they were willing to ship to a U.S. address
no matter what country the purchaser lived in. 

Likewise, Hayes has said that they will accept modems for service
from any address as long as they can ship to an address in a country
for which their modem has received approval. 

Dave

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From: loomis@milton.u.washington.edu (Elaine Loomis)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: CLICK!
Summary: Loud click on disconnect in V.32bis modems
Keywords: CLICK, OH, DISCONNECT
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:01:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.loomis.702864070
Organization: University of Washington

T3000's (Telebit modems) make a SOFT click on disconnect. This is not
intended to be an implicit criticism of the Supra, so no flames, please.
<<I>> had wondered about the SOFT click. Maybe its a smaller relay :-)
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:48:36 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

> It's only a matter of time before the second-tier modem companies (like
> Practical Peripherals or Cardinal) update their $275 V.32 modems to V.32bis.
> Soon these modems will be commodity priced in such a way that the benefits of
> PEP as we know it will simply not be worth the premium for many people.

   I don't think that it is, now!  I've found that V.32 has about a 10% 
throughput advantage over a T1000, and I'm willing to bet that V.32bis is not 
any slower than a TB+.  In addition, V.32bis is clearly better suited to SLIP 
and interactive logins, though by how much is a matter of opinions.

> I would say that it *is* in Telebit's interest to keep their current PEP
> users -- as many as possible -- happy.

   I've been saying for a long time (as have many other people) that, unless 
Telebit really kicks into gear, PEP will become a very narrow niche product 
and Telebit's mainstream product sales will decline as the imperative 
previously associated with their brand name fades.


Geoffrey Welsh, 412-305 Margaret Avenue, Kitchener Ontario, N2H 6S4 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, { watmath!xenitec | m2xenix }!zswamp!geoff (519)742-1228
"Show us your sig." "Seeg?  I don't need no steenking seeg!"
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 09:36:49 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

wgb@succubus.tnt.com (William G. Bunton) writes:

> In article <1992Apr10.043422.5768@Happy-Man.com> Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com w
> >We were loyal, and they are being loyal.  The disloyal folks now
> >have to pay more.  That's the way it should be.
> 
> Bull.  What about those of us who didn't have the money?  I got a
> bonus check on April 6, but that was too late for the (original, with
> PEP upgrade) loyalty pays deal.  And for this I'm called disloyal?

   Bull yourself.  Telebit is offered you a deal and made it available for a 
couple of months.  It is not their responsibility to compensate for the fact 
that not all customers can take advantage of the offer.

   Should they have called each of their customers up to ask when it would be 
convenient?!?  Or should they just have sent you the whole new modem for $25?

   Come on, man... I know your frustration, but this is *not* Telebit's fault!  
It's one thing to say "aw, shucks!" and another to blame Telebit.

Geoffrey Welsh, 412-305 Margaret Avenue, Kitchener Ontario, N2H 6S4 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, { watmath!xenitec | m2xenix }!zswamp!geoff (519)742-1228
"Show us your sig." "Seeg?  I don't need no steenking seeg!"
From: jj@cortex.sai.vtt.fi (Jukka Jarnberg)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Prometheus96+...problems!!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:29:14 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland

A friend of mine -- really not me -- got brand new modem and is having
'temper tantrums' of it. It seems to so that he cannot write to S22 register
and several other as wel give ERROR. Also when he puts it on line he gets
'NO DIALTONE' and when he makes blind call using its calling tones or 
telphone he gets 'NO CARRIER'.

Could You fellows send us good init-strings or advice?

Thanks beforehand!

Jukka J{rnberg
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From: cjc@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Chen)
Subject: Contact info for Zoom?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:22:48 GMT

If anyone has any contact info for Zoom, could you please e-mail it to
me?  Phone numbers, e-mail addresses, etc. welcome.


cjc
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