From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Stop Persecuting Me! (snicker)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 03 Nov 92  12:49:00

Tag: Kirby Krueger (kruegek@stein.u.washington.edu)
ID: 1992Oct28.023158.2762@u.washington.edu
And: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Bruce)
 
[stuff about being prefectly reasonable deleted. Who wants to
be reasonable when totally irrational lunacy is funner?]
 
>B> "However, this is not a resonable world. It seems odd to
>B> me that people, in the name of reason and logic, try to
>B> destroy the source of comfort and security that millions
>B> of people worldwide share and enjoy. If you wish to help
>B> a man, do you destroy his security? I ask you, why should
>B> you who do not believe in God persecute us so? It is
>B> hypocritical to say 'You shouldn't be so hard on us!' when
>B> you, in turn, slander and hinder us every chance you get."
 
Gee, shall we have the government dope people to keep them warn
and happy? Should narcotics be placed in the water system,
perhaps, in just enough quantity to give them (us) a false, but
very real FEELING, sense of security?
 
KK> "I have no wish to convert any religious people to atheism.
KK> If they ask why I do not believe in God, I will tell them,
KK> but I try and be tolerant of all other religions, and do not
KK> attempt to show them the error of their ways."
 
Personal query: up to what point do you tolerate theism/theists?
We have cults [1] working hard to destroy public education, and
cults subverting many other government functions.
 
[1] "Cult" being "all religions or groups that follow a dogma,"
and not "cult" as it is normally used, i.e. "all religions other
than my own."
 
[stuff by Kirby Krueger ruthlessly omited for space. Sorry]
 
>B> "Christians throughout the centuries have tried to help [sic]
>B> non-Christians see the error [sic] of denying [sic] God. But
>B> it was always tried in force, and not through understanding
>B> and compassion.
 
"Invisible, yet pink, unicorns do NOT prance in my bedroom walls
late at night." Now, did I -ASSERT- or -deny?- One can "deny" the
existance of New York City because it exists; one cannot "deny"
the existance of something that does not exist. I ASSERT that
the Gods do not exist, nor does Santa Claus, nor Easter Bunny.
 
Now, I will tell you a secret. I CREATED =YOU= PERSONALLY in my
lab three weeks ago. Are you going to DENY it, or assert the
contrary?
 
>B> That is why non-Christians rip into Christians and Christianity
>B> so violently."
 
Well, you came against "us" first, with swords drawn; we only wanted
to be left alone, worship as we please, OR NOT worship, as we please.
Why do Christians, among most (not all) theists, fail to understand
the fact that Christian fascist behavior, based on oppressive
occultism and politicized dogma, is repugnant and evil, and to be
fought against tooth and nail?
 
>B> "Let's try and communicate better."
 
Let's try to PUT A SOCK IN IT, unless someone solicits your cult's
opinion! Like maybe, keep it out of our public schools, and keep
your blood-splattered hands off our children!
 
Occultists like Bruce like to scream "You're persecuting us!" when
they are prevented from indoctrinating other peoples' children
into their cult via public school--- I cannot think of anything
so utterly inane and rediculous (other than George Bush). It is
my observation that Christians =LOVE= to believe they are being
persecuted, and will go to any lengths to force themselves to
believe that they are. Oh, how Christians so LOVE being martyers!
 
[Bruce's occult prattle deleted. Then, thankfully, Kriby steps up
again and offers something refreshingly rational.]
 
KK> "Actually, I don't rip into Christians. I disagree with them on
KK> many things, and certainly with many sub-cults, such as the OCA,
KK> but I criticize their actions, not their character. And I have
KK> talked to Christians plenty. I think I understand a lot about
KK> what the Christian faith is about. I just don't agree with it.
KK> If you please to, fine, but this is the one place where one
KK> should be able to discuss things without being attacked by
KK> religious folks.
KK> Well, hope and love are pretty nice, anyway.
KK> Kirby "TK-421" Krueger

--- Maximus 2.00