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From: strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
Subject: Re: S.T.O.P. (Safety Tips Offer Protection)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:53:17 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Research

In article <-rtn7+m.lindae@netcom.com>, lindae@netcom.com () writes:
|> 

|> Please share these tips with your children:
|> 

[suggestions which seem reasonable, except for this one:]

|> 4.  I know not to put my name on any clothing, jewelry, hats, caps,
|> jackets, tee shirts, bikes, etc. where people can see it.
|> 
Why is it dangerous for me to label clothing with my child's name?
Many schools encourage such labelling, presumably so that lost
articles can be returned more easily to the child.

-- 
Rob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641
IBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Baby Kerri
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 04:32:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



Several months ago, a newborn infant was abducted from a hospital
in Berkely, California.  She has been referred to as Baby Keri, the
daughter of a 16 year old mother.  A woman, posing as a social worker
had convinced the new mom that she was taking the baby to be weighed.
That was the last time that this mom saw her new baby girl.

Well, GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems that Baby Keri has been found, alive and well.  The details
have not been released yet, so I'll report more tomorrow.

Congratulations and welcome home Baby Keri! And to Jessica, the baby's
mom, I can only imagine what you're going through right now.... I'm
sure that I join everyone here on Usenet in wishing you much happiness
with your recovered baby girl!!!!

lindae@netcom.com
From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: S.T.O.P. (Safety Tips Offer Protection)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:26:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode) writes:
(my gosh, I'm quoting myself)

>   A stranger approaches a group of kids playing on the playground after
> school and reads the name "Steve" written on a boy's hat.

>			< scenario deleted >

  Of course, not having first names visible on clothing will not necessarily
assure a child's safety.  The stranger could have called out a common name,
such as Mike or Jessica (#1 for boys and girls, respectively), and continued
the charade with one of the kids who turned.  Still, a visible first name
will make it that much easier for a would-be abductor.

  In any event, it's a good idea to play what-if games with children, posing
scenarios like the one I posted and whatever devious plots you can think up.
One example, from the HBO video "How to Raise a Street Smart Child," a parent
is quizzing a child thus (as memory serves):

    P:	Suppose someone comes up to you asking for help finding a lost
	puppy.  Would you go?

    C:	Oh, no.

    P:	What if someone came asking about a lost kitten?

    C:	That's different--kittens need more help than puppies.  I would go.

  Ooops.  Luckily the parent found out during a "What If" game instead of
the real thing.

			Erik
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: S.T.O.P. (Safety Tips Offer Protection)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:16:24 GMT
Expires: Sat, 10 Oct 92 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


These tips are brought to you by Child Quest International, a non-profit
organization, devoted to the protection and recovery of missing, abused,
and exploited children.

For more information about Child Quest or to receive help in your search
for a missing child, please call (408) 492-1122.  For sighting information
only, please call 1-800-248-8020.

Please share these tips with your children:

1.  I know my full name (first, middle and last) and my complete address
including city, state, and zip code.

2.  I know my phone number including area code and how to dial 911 and 0
for emergencies.  I know that I can use any pay phone to call 911 and 0  
without using any money.

3.  I know my family "Secret Code Word" and know not to go with anyone,
for any reason, who does not use the "Secret Code Word"

4.  I know not to put my name on any clothing, jewelry, hats, caps,
jackets, tee shirts, bikes, etc. where people can see it.

5.  I know not to play in isolated areas or take short-cuts thru
dangerous or deserted areas such as creeks or vacant lots.

6.  I know to always walk and play in groups.  I always practice the "Buddy
System" and that there is safety in numbers.

7.  I know not to go door-to-door selling something without an adult
with me.  I know to always let my parents or child care person know
where I am going.

8.  I know to walk on the left facing traffic so that I can see if a car
stops near me.


				MORE TO COME........

*** If you appreciate having this tips posted, please let us know and
we will continue to post them in this group. ***

Keeping Hope Alive,
A Child Quest Volunteer
Linda
lindae@netcom.com
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: X-Post:   Mistakes
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:35:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From: Hal.Gould@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Hal Gould)
Date: 03 Sep 92  02:38:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.715795275@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: In Response...
To: lindae@netcom.com
Status: OR

LI>My point is this...  organizations like Child Quest, the Heidi Search
Center
LI>the Center for Missing & Exploited Children, and others involved in this
LI>group, are hoping to prevent terrible things from happening to children.
LI>And, while there will occasionally be a case where mistakes are made, we
LI>must be sure that those mistakes are made on behalf of a child's
well-being.

LI>Keeping hope Alive,
LI>Linda (Child Quest Volunteer)
LI>lindae@netcom.com

Good point.  It's best not to let emotion get in the way of logically
examining and diagnosing a situation.  Child abuse and kidnapping are
things which excite strong emotions.  It's hard to be calm, cool, &
collected.

Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Re: S.T.O.P. (Safety Tips Offer Protection)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:22:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep10.165317.14489@watson.ibm.com> strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom) writes:
>In article <-rtn7+m.lindae@netcom.com>, lindae@netcom.com () writes:
>|> 
>
>|> Please share these tips with your children:
>|> 
>
>[suggestions which seem reasonable, except for this one:]
>
>|> 4.  I know not to put my name on any clothing, jewelry, hats, caps,
>|> jackets, tee shirts, bikes, etc. where people can see it.
>|> 
>Why is it dangerous for me to label clothing with my child's name?
>Many schools encourage such labelling, presumably so that lost
>articles can be returned more easily to the child.
>

Excellent question!  I'm glad you asked.  What we are referring to are
not the labels that you might put inside a child's t-shirt collar.  We
are talking about names that run across the front of a shirt or on a baseball
cap, for example.  The reason for this is that an abductor will often
play on a child's naivete.  For example, he/she may walk up to the child
and call that child by name to convince the child that "mommy told me
to come and get you from school".  Little Johnny is thinking, "gee, this
guy knows my name, so he must be a friend of mommy's.  You see what I
mean?  You or I, as an adult, would know that this perpetrator was getting
our name off of you shirt or cap, but little Johnny might be more
easily deceived.

I hope this answers your question and I hope you'll continue reading this
group.  We welcome your comments and suggestions at any time!

Keeping Hope Alive,
Child Quest International
Linda
lindae@netcom.com   

Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: Re: S.T.O.P. (Safety Tips Offer Protection)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:35:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <6956@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> karenw@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Karen A Walker) writes:
>In article <116920010@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode) writes:
>>
>>  In any event, it's a good idea to play what-if games with children, posing
>>scenarios like the one I posted and whatever devious plots you can think up.
>>One example, from the HBO video "How to Raise a Street Smart Child," a parent
>>is quizzing a child thus (as memory serves):
>>
>
>I have heard that there are videos out there to help teach kids things
>about safety, strangers, etc.  I started looking in the video sections
>of a couple of stores, but I haven't seen any of these videos.
>
>So, my question is: where can I find such videos (that I can buy and play
>over and over again at home)?  Also, can people recommend any particular
>videos?
>
>My son is currently 2 1/2 yrs. old (so you have an idea of the target
>age group of videos in which I am interested).
>
>Any suggestions or help is appreciated.  Thanks.
>			Karen Walker
>			karenw@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM



Karen,

I'm not sure about the videos, but here's something you can do.  Child
Quest International publishes a coloring book for kids called S.T.O.P.
which stands for Safety Tips Offer Protection.  The book is filled with
safety information for kids and their parents and is presented in a way
that kids can relate to.  To get a copy of the book, just call
Child Quest at (408) 492-1122.

lindae@netcom.com
From: karenw@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Karen A Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Re: S.T.O.P. (Safety Tips Offer Protection)
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:46:03 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <116920010@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode) writes:
>
>  In any event, it's a good idea to play what-if games with children, posing
>scenarios like the one I posted and whatever devious plots you can think up.
>One example, from the HBO video "How to Raise a Street Smart Child," a parent
>is quizzing a child thus (as memory serves):
>

I have heard that there are videos out there to help teach kids things
about safety, strangers, etc.  I started looking in the video sections
of a couple of stores, but I haven't seen any of these videos.

So, my question is: where can I find such videos (that I can buy and play
over and over again at home)?  Also, can people recommend any particular
videos?

My son is currently 2 1/2 yrs. old (so you have an idea of the target
age group of videos in which I am interested).

Any suggestions or help is appreciated.  Thanks.
			Karen Walker
			karenw@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: If You Want To Prevent Abduction, Please Remember...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:07:08 GMT
Expires: Sat, 10 Oct 92 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



As a volunteer for Child Quest International, I have become acutely aware
of the little things we can all do to protect our children.  Some of them
seem so obvious and yet they are often forgotten.

I woke up this morning to an article in the newspaper which described the
kidnapping of a toddler in San Jose, California.  It seems that the mother
had left the child in the car while she ran into the bank for a transaction.
No sooner had she entered the bank when a 29 year old man allegedly
stole her Lexus car and with it, the baby who was asleep in the back seat.

I was just furious when I read this article.  I had just heard about a
similar case last month in San Francisco where a man stole a van that
was parked with the keys still sitting in the ignition.  Once again, 
we're not sure if he even knew that there was a baby in the back seat.

Thankfully, in both cases, the men were caught and the children were
returned unharmed.  But, let's face it.  These days are different and
we must be more aware. I know that this mother had no bad intentions, but
this should teach us all an important lesson.

Under no circumstances should you leave your baby, infant, or toddler
alone in the car! Never.  Not for 2 minutes.  Not for 20 minutes.  Not
to run into the bank.  Not to run into the dry cleaners.  Not even to
run into your mothers house for just a moment.  All it takes is one
second...and in that one second, you could lose the most precious thing
in your life.  Don't think that it can't or won't happen to you.  Because
that's when it will.  

It may seem like a real pain to have to fumble with the car seat, or
wake up the baby, etc., but believe me, it's a lot easier than 
searching for a missing child.

Keeping Hope Alive,
A Child Quest Volunteer
lindae@netcom.com

Child Quest International (408) 492-1122
Sighting Information only, call 1-800-248-8020



Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com ()
Subject: MISSING -- JAYCEE LEE DUGARD
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:22:27 GMT
Expires: Sat, 10 Oct 92 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 



Child Quest International is a non-profit organization, devoted to
the protection and recovery of missing, abused, and exploited children.
For more information, please call (408) 492-1122.  For sighting information,
please call 1-800-248-8020.


MISSING
(The following information was
obtained at the time of disappearance.)

JAYCEE LEE DUGARD
Nickname:  Jaye; Sisi
Stranger Abduction

Age at Disappearance - 11 years old
Date of Birth: 05-03-80
Date Missing:  06-10-91

Missing From -- South Lake Tahoe, CA

Sex:  Female		Race:  White
Height: 4'6"		Weight:  80 lbs.
Hair:  Blond		Eyes:  Blue


Stranger Abduction - IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!!!!
Call the El Dorado Sheriff's Department if you have any information
at (916) 573-3000, or call your local FBI Field Office.

If you have information on this or any other missing, abused, or
exploited child, pelase call Child Quest International, Inc.
For Sighting Calls Only, call 1-800-248-8020


(408) 492-1122, San Jose Headquarters
1190 Coleman Avenue, Suite 1-D
San Jose, CA  95110



Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Are You Searching for a Missing Child?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:21:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


If you are searching for your missing child, there is help available. 
Child Quest International in San Jose California, is a non-profit
organization devoted to the protection and recovery of missing, abused
and exploited children.  Don't give up hope.  Call Child Quest and
let a case worker answer your questions and guide you through your search.

Call or write Child Quest International
		1190 Coleman Avenue, Suite 1-D
		San Jose, CA  95110
		(408) 492-1122
		For Sighting Information Only, Call 1-800-248-8020

  
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Darwinism, social and otherwise, continued...
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:48:34 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

Aside from apologizing for all the typos on my reply last night, further
thought about the comments made this past week on the Net have
inspired me to share with you two "automatic mailings" I received this
morning, which may seem totally unrealted to reality, and yet they are
more than related, at the same time ... suddenly I feel like Robin Williams
at the Met .... and I don't even drink.


Majority, n:
        That quality that distinguishes a crime from a law.



and



Rhode's Law:
        When any principle, law, tenet, probability, happening,
        circumstance, or result can in no way be directly, indirectly,
        empirically, or circuitously proven, derived, implied,
        inferred, induced, deducted, estimated, or scientifically
        guessed, it will always for the purpose of convenience,
        expediency, political advantage, material gain, or personal
        comfort, or any combination of the above, or none of the above,
        be unilaterally and unequivocally assumed, proclaimed, and
        adhered to as absolute truth to be undeniably, universally,
        immutably, and infinitely so, until such time as it becomes
        advantageous to assume otherwise, maybe.


which sums up my feelings over the extremely complex language that has
pervaded many of the mailings lately.  Enjoy.

lyn

 ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^
       +++ Walk Gently in Peace on Our Mother the Earth +++

     Lyn Dearborn                  dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
 ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^





Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re: Indian & European Spirituality
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:34:06 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

I don't think I can be classified as a traditional native american spiritualist,
nor do I have much hope of "finding" one, but were one asked to respond to this
latest article and several others, I don't think they would be able to.  Maybe
my 20 yrs of classes in the hallowed halls have left me well educated but
illiterate, because I find myself unable to understand 75% of some of the
messages ....and here I am admitting I don't understand what is meant bY
> putting it more in the mystical tradition of something like Christian
> Gnosticism.


or
> on an experiential understanding of deity than on codified belief, and if

or
>
There can be no empowering change without a certain sort of
spiritual experience, and codifying allows practical objective evaluation
in the material world. The danger is that codifying alone can be empty and
hypocritical if it essentially denies the reality of the spiritual
experience by refusing it.

or maybe the problem is that I didn't study religion or philosophy to any
great depth.... but..... I find myself intimidated by messages like this
and unable to get from them the value they contain.  I do not mean this to
be disrespectful to those writers represented above (whom I like/respect as
individuals), BUT if there are many traditional Native Americans reading this
"stuff", I hope they don't feel "inferior" just because they might not be
able to understand the content .... or maybe the problem is only me and my
inability to read between the "big words" and dense lines. My only concern
is that Indian kids, new to the net, might also feel intimidated and think
they aren't qualified to participate .... in the mean time, I'll hunt down
my BIG dictionary.

(P.S. ... even though I am one of those somewhat different people who practice
both Judiasm AND Native harvesting traditions, I do understand about Christian
"ought-to", "guilt", as well as traditions commanded by Grandfather)

lyn

 ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^
       +++ Walk Gently in Peace on Our Mother the Earth +++

     Lyn Dearborn                  dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
 ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Alan McGowen <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>
Subject: Re: Two Paths for Environmentalism
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:37:48 GMT

Original-Sender: Alan McGowen <hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>

Peshewegunzh writes:

>
> I am enormously concerned with what is necessary to properly respect
> and care for, as well as live as part of this world. But I must tell
> you that anyone who has lived on a reservation knows it is complete
> nonsense that we Indians are natural environmentalists, in the sense given
> by western radical environmental political groups. I am sure that you
> know this if you have even visited any reservation...
>

One point of clarification to prevent a possible confusion. When I speak of
indigenous societies being at ecological equilibrium with their environments,
I am thinking of self-sufficient cultures which can live in an ecosystem for
a very long time without degrading it -- e.g. the contemporary Yanomami, the
traditional Haida. This implies certain constraints on reproduction rates and
resource utilization which by no means need apply to life on a contempory
reservation. A modern reservation is not after all a refined result of
millennia of cultural and social evolution, but a comparatively recent
imposition. There is no particular reason why reservation life *should* be
at equilibrium with any natural ecosystem, except to the extent that old
cultural traditions which once served to preserve such equilibria may continue
to function.

Also, I do not claim that *every* indigenous culture that ever existed was
at ecological equilibrium; there may have been quite a few which were not.
They just didn't leave many descendent groups, since their environmnents
became less productive with time.

------------
Alan McGowen

Newsgroups: alt.native,alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Call for Discussion on "alt.native" split
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:35:40 GMT

In article <Jym.14Sep1992.2315@naughty-peahen.org> Jym Dyer 
 <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>=o= Hmm.  Some conferencing systems use "chat" to mean all
>discussion and debate.  My take is that Usenet uses "chat"
>to mean less contentious discussion, and a ".d" suffix (as
>in "alt.native.d") to handle discussion and debate.

Actually, Usenet doesn't use "chat" at all; there are no Big Seven
groups with "chat" in their names, description, and only one well-
propagated alt.* group -- alt.chatsubo.  :)

There _was_ an ill-thought-out newgroup for an "alt.romance.chat", but
neither I nor many other news admins carry it; news software wasn't
designed for real-time conversation.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
From: brunner@lakota.ssd.loral.com (Brian Brunner)
Subject: Re: Call for Discussion on "alt.native" split
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:43:32 GMT

1: alt.native should be soc.culture
	It has a wider distribution among USENET sites than alt.XXX
	it is a proper soc.culture interest

2: to conform (_sometimes_ useful) to the usenet naming norm,
	alt.native should become
	soc.culture.amerind; replacing alt.native.info
	alt.native.chat should become 
	soc.culture.amerind.d; this is the name of the discussion group
		associated with a tree group like soc.culture.amerind
	alt.native.1492 should become soc.culture.amerind.1492
	soc.culture.amerind.edu and
	soc.culture.amerind.lang follow as natural name extensions

	Further: This idea needs to be propounded in the "proper"
	forum, news.groups. Gene Spafford publishes a monthly article
	on how to create a usenet newsgroup.

Whether each of these divisions merits a group of its'
own is subject of the debate that would (in the normal
scheme of things) occur in news.groups.

-- 

Columbus didn't even `discover' that he got lost by 8,000 miles!
brunner@lakota.ssd.loral.com; Space Systems/Loral; Palo Alto, Calif.
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: alt.native,alt.config
Subject: Re: Call for Discussion on "alt.native" split
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:02:44 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) proposes new groups in an
alt.native hierarchy.  While I have no particular opinion on the proposed
split (Kenneth Herron's and Bob Sloane's objections are valid, but two-way
gatewaying of high signal-to-noise mailing lists is often a Good Thing),
I *do* have a technical objection:

>  3. alt.native.1492

Anything in a spool directory called "/usr/spool/news/alt/native/1492"
is going to be interpreted as an article, not a directory.  You'll have
to come up with a non-numeric subhierarchy name.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.native