From: Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.admin
Subject: Re: Stealing FarSide
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:29:43 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

kavli@plains.NoDak.edu (Tammy Kavli) writes:

>In article <BywDK9.KF6@newcastle.ac.uk> Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton) writes:
>>whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt) writes:
>>
>>[Stuff deleted]
>>
>>>2. You have no positive evidence (that I've seen) that Darkone did the
>>>rming, only circumstantial evidence.
>>>3. I don't know how you concluded that the guilty party had to be one of
>>>the three wizards Melvaig, Darkone, Daroki. What makes it impossible for
>>>some other person to have been the culprit?
>>

>It really is a pity that I came into this arguement so late.  I unfortunatly
>did not get to read this article in it's entirety, but it seems as though
>someone wants actuall able-to-be-proven reasons as to why Zaph believes
>that Darkone was a culprit.  Well, I don't know Zaph's reasons, but I know
>mine.  I also know a few people who SAW Darkone removing said files.
>     I would not complain as much had the files that had been removed not
>been vital to the running of the mud.  I also wouldn't complain had something
>been put in their place to keep the mud running.  As it was, it led to the
>premature closing of Farside, and when Oblivion opened they opened it telling
>people that it was the "new Farside".  I feel that it is quite untrue, since
>Farside is reopening somewhere else.  I do feel that Oblivion, which I hear
>is moving over to Mudos, should return at least a copy of those files to 
>Merlin, as it would help maintain a good relationship between the two, since
>I don't believe it's Oblivion's administrators fault that it happened, and 
>I do think that Oblivion deserves a chance too.
>     Also, had the files been given to Oblivion, why would they then ban 
>the site in Newcastle from being able to log in?  No...it isn't just
>problems between computers causing the problem.  A friend of mine has
>told me that he actually saw their site on the banned list.  It really is
>not good policy, and I would also have to say it's not really an appropriate
>thing to do.
>     Feel free to comment on this if you'd like.  I've gotten alot of my
>info from first-hand sources....but I'm sure I don't have all the facts.
>(If I did...I'd be God....and not of a mud either.)  I just would like 
>to have peace between the two, and the way things look right now, it's not
>hapenning.

>Tammy Kavli		
>kavli@plains.nodak.edu

>Lady Morgein, wife of Merlin ...Farside.
>Tera.....on just about any other mud I decide to log into for fun. *:)


Thank you Tammy, You have expressed my feelings almost perfectly. The banning
of Newcastle from Oblivion and the lack of factual postings to this group
from D**kone, in my opinion, is the largest admission of guilt. If Hobbes, or
whoever is the administrator of Oblivion would like to return a copy of the
files removed (ie, player.c and the entire /secure directory) I'm sure Merlin
or Alvin (who will be running it at Swansea) would be happy to accept them.

	Rich 'Zaph'


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