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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:14:59 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Men-blood-drinking in china

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From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Subject: Men-blood-drinkinq in China
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:33:07 GMT

I refer those who are interested in 'tradition'
to Lu3Xun4's story 'Yao4'(medicine), in which Lu3Xun4
described how an old man use the blood of a newly
excecuted revelotionary to cure his son's lung-illness.

It did not cure his son. It was a tragedy.

Prevent his-story (or simplely, HISTORY) from repeating
itself, shouldn't we?

AND:-

The are so many horror films produced by HOLLYWOOD + * * *
showing men-eating. So it is a Western CULTURE as well, isn't it?


Henry
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                I am not sure of Lu Xun's purpose while he conceived
                that story. I don't think Lu Xun was so great as
                CCP said of him. If he was alive now, he might be
                in jail thousands times or never and ever had his books
                published. Now look at how CCP cools him down.
                He seemed to have an instrinc hatred to people.

                As for his "Medicine" or "Drug", I am afraid that he
                meaned the wrong drug for " Lao Bing". And he never
                found a right one.

                Maybe Pian1 Fan1 Zh14 Da4 Bing4.

                As for men-eating, you may prevent it in certain
                forms. However you can never eliminish it in other
                forms in a wider sense, such as death penalty, abortion,
                war, ect. In this sense, human being can never be
                civilized. They are all guilty or sin.
                Example: CG sales human organs after the death executed,
                      and asks the family for the expense of bullets.PLA
                      shot unarmed people to death and said  no one
                      shot in TAM ( possiblely two or more).
                      .........
                X Xu
From: c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Only a joking
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:27:07 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


 

                      New Picasso Painting
                      ====================
                      ( One Sun finger )

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Who like this painting??????  If you like it, you also can draw a special picture
for everybody!!!!!!!!!!

Only a Joking, I hope that everybody don't mind it!!!!!

Yu.
(If you have any special pictures, you can send them for me.....
 My address : c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk )
From: lixj@terra.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:13:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:

>In article <Aug.16.22.13.03.1992.5167@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:

>>You simply get it wrong. It is not the goverment who askes for the Japaness
  apology. It is us people, whose grandparents, parents, brothers and
  sisters been slaughterd, raped, tortured by the barbarious Japaness
  soldiers, who deserve an apology from the Japaness. And I believe we
>>will get it sooner or later no matter what.

>So you admit publicly that the name "People's Republic of China" is a
....
What does PRC goverment's wrong doing have to do with Japanese invasion
China and killing Chinese?

>calling Japanese japs. I have seen no apology offered for that slur.
....
Read carefully into my post. Did I call Japanese any racist slur? I am
too proud to do that.

>Japan will not, arguably should not, walk into an oppressive, police
>state and *officially* apologize for anything. I don't even think
>the Emperor of Japan should even be *going* to China, but I guess
....
Don't tell me.

Some people just can't get a little logic right. *sigh*:)
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:08:36 GMT

In <1992Aug19.172012.58274@cc.usu.edu> ma@cc.usu.edu writes:


>I think the original question is An eligible question although I have no idea
>how to answer. It doesn't  matter from what he needs the protection. There is
>not much difference between staying in China longer and shorter than 90 days.
>(BTW, I just came back from China, and stayed about 40 days, well within the
>90 day limit). But there is a big difference between being and not being 
>covered by the bill. Nobody wants to be treated differently (maybe unfairly).
>I have this (maybe stupid) question. Is it possible now to ask the Congress
>to remove the number "90" ?
>T.Ma


Is it poosible now to ask the Congress to remove the date on which one
enter the USA?

f. wANG
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:28:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.171420.10187@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
    >Under the GOP, there is no hope to see the US policy towards China will spur the
    >democracy in China. 
    
On the other hand, do you think a conditional MFN (which China would certainly not
going to comply) would help the democracy in China?

Of all G-7 countries, USA is the probably the one with the worst relationship
with China.  What else do you think Bush could do, totaly cut off from dealing
with China?  (That certainly would be good news to Japan, France and the British.)
What could it achieve by totally isolating China?

    >I wish this time the democratic party can kick Bush's ass out of the White House. 
    >they are having a pretty good chance this round.  

IMHO, the hope for democracy for China is for the Economic Reform to succeed.
As much as one hates Deng in the handling of 6/4 TAM, I have to wish him living
long enough so that the economic reforms will take roots and become irreversible
for the conservatives to change course.  Given Deng's age, time is running out
for pushing the economic reform.  Conditional MFN is the last China need.

-cw-
P.S. I was pleasantly surprised to see an American Chinese woman being the 
secretary of the GOP convention!  Asian Americans still have a long way
to go in American politics, but this is a good beginning!
_____________________________________________________________________________
C.W.Chung       Objectivity Inc.      Object-Oriented DBMS  Tel: 415/688-8023
                800 El Camino Real,   Menlo Park CA 94025   Fax: 415/325-0939
                                      email: cw@objy.com    or  uunet!objy!cw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:27:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.230148.7780@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
>
>>[garbage deleted]
>
>>You simply get it wrong. It is not the goverment who askes for the Japaness
>>apology. It is us people, whose grandparents, parents, brothers and
>>sisters been slaughterd, raped, tortured by the barbarious Japaness
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>soldiers, who deserve an apology from the Japaness. And I believe we
  ^^^^^^^^
>>will get it sooner or later no matter what.
>
>BARBAROUS Japanese? Well now.. We get to the heart of the matter at last.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Far be it from me to claim to be an expert on the matter, but surely there
>must be a REASON the Japanese "barbarians" think they are superior to everyone
>else, but I don't think being barbaric is what they had in mind.
>Would it have to be pointed out that a government that runs over its own
>unarmed students is displaying barbaric, unacceptable behavior also? It's
>funny, but it seems like everyone I know think the Japanese are barbarians.
>Such a comment could only come from antiquated thinking. Besides, what are
>you going to do? *EXTRACT* an apology from the Japanese?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
From: Victor Kuan                                                 <kuan@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Response to the open letter to the Emperor of Japan
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:03:45 -0500

In article <1992Aug17.181324.7532@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Aug17102932@lark.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>
>>I remember that after the atrocities committed by the Chinese government at
>>Tinanman Square, Japan was the first to restore economic relations amid many
>>protests from the Western world.
>
>Is that a good thing?
>>
>>I suspect that many Chinese choose to keep the past atrocities of Japan alive
>>so as to keep the world from focusing on the current atrocities being committed
>>by the current Chinese government.
>
>I don't think this is the case at all.  Just because the Chinese are being
>oppressed by an undemocratic regime means that Japan is justified?  Most of
>us who are out here to demand an apology from the Japanese government *oppose*
>the Chinese communist government, I would say.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Should apologize to the people, not the Gov't

>Besides, if the Japanese government wants to prove that it's on the same level
>as the ruthless Chinese communist government, then go ahead and don't
>apologize.


-- 
*-----------
SonCheong Kuan				  kuan@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
Software Specialist
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:56:53 GMT
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <65500025@acf3.NYU.EDU>, yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
|> /* acf3:soc.culture.china / zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) /  6:59
pm  Dec 31, 1969 */
|> In article <1992Aug13.180741.23878@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
|> >Also, it is much more expensive to buy a coffin and a tomb in Hong-Kong or
|> >Taiwan than in China. The difference might be 10 times or higher, so the
|> 
|> >compensation money. Just for your reference, the average cost of a 
|>                                                   ============
|> >funeral, including a coffin, tomb, music band, buried stuffs, etc.,
|> >in Taiwan may run up to NT. 1,000,000 which is about RMB 200,000,
|>                =========                              ============
|> >while the average cost in China may only run up to RMB 20,000.
|> >they are barely doing the same thing as Chinese.
|> >
|> >Yi-Chieh
|> 
|>   What do you mean ?  The average cost is around RMB 200,000 ? or
|> The cost could run up to RMB 200,000 ?  That's a lot of money, about
|>  US $35,000. Can AVERAGE dead Taiwaness afford such a lavish funeral?
|> 
|>    BTW, how much average Taiwaness spend on wedding?

I do not know about HK.
But the most of the NT$ 1 million should be spent on the land for the tomb.
Everything else is nothing.

As for wedding, people can make money by getting married usually.
Almost everyone will give cash gifts to the newly wed.

yu

|> 
|> Zhongbai You
|> 
|> /* ---------- */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.japan,sos.culture.hongkong
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:53:09 GMT

>>For me, a war-hate person, many 
>>Chineses and Koreans still hate Japanese, for the simple reason that
>>the lies are continuing floating in Japanese history books.

This a fact, with no feeling ingredient.

>Well, lies exist in history books of just about every country.  Would
>you hate them as much if the lies were about someone else?

The involved have stronger feelings. This is a quite natural fact.

>It is ok to hate the history books, but if you hate the people, you

It is interesting to hate books, instead of those big liars.

>may find yourself being a contributing factor in the next war.
>Frustration and anger are understandable, but don't let these turn
>into hate.

The best estimation is that the chinese and korean people can't
be expected to accept the deception with love.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.usa
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: Re: Turning Red--Jenny Thomson and Steroid
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:03:06 GMT

In article <BsBwKI.4n6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>One day whem Asia countries become strong economically,
>they will throw nuclear bombs, because that is the only
>thing they will are good at.

Forgive my geographical ignorance, but I didn't know Indiana was in Asia.  It
seems that American universities are extraordinarily inept too, especially in
educating us on world politics, economics, geography, and history, don't you
agree?
From: JF01@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Some News
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:59:56 GMT



From: The Advertiser, 15/8/92, South Australia

Bus conductress adds
deadly punch to ride

     BEIJING: A Shanghai
commuter died in the
street, blood streaming
from his nose and ears, after
tangling with one of the
city's dreaded woman bus
conductors.
     Dong Huibo's nightmare
began Inside the bus when
the ticket-puncher snarled
an insult about the shape of
his backside, according to a
report in Shanghai's Wen
Hui Bao newspaper.
     She swore at him, slapped
his face and broke his glass.
es, made a grab for his
testicles, then aimed a vi-

cious kick at his private
parts.  As the 24-year-old
university graduate scram-
bled out of a window, the
driver - also a woman -
slammed her foot on the
accelerator pedal and sent
him flying.
     Both women watched as
Dong died in the street of
his Injuries, the paper said.
     The newspaper said: "The
criminal behavior of the
bus driver and conductor
aroused the extreme indig-
nation and condemnation
of the other passengers and
the broad masses."  Police
are investigating. - Reuter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:33:58 GMT

In article <713523737.19736@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>According to the Cambridge History of China (vol.12, Cambridge
>University Press, 1982), the golden age of China was the period 
>from 1912 to 1920 (8 years), which had 13.8% growth rate of 
>Chinese industries. However, it said that the similar growth 
>rate appeared in the period from 1953 to 1957.



Historically speaking, even I (Korean) know that the T'ang Dynasty was 
probably the golden age of China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: China education
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:23:06 GMT

In article <PI.92Aug18102042@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
> In article <714064172.6969@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk  
writes:
>     ...
> 
> >   China Education
>     ...
> 
> >   2. According to the journal of The China Quaterly (No.125, 
> >   pp.137-155, 1991), the salary scale of China university faculty
> >   in 1987 was as follows.
> 
> >   Assisant Lecturer	US$240 - 252 per year
> >   Lecturer		US$312 - 348 per year
> >   Associate Professor	US$420 - 480 per year
> >   Full Professor		US$516 - 600 per year
>     ...
> 
> Let me add some more:
> 
>     3. According to my experience (over 20 years staying in China),
>     major expenses for most residents of major Chinese cities and
>     unemployment rate were as follows.
> 
>     Rent		US$10 - 12 /year ( > 2-bedroom apt) 
>     Medical Care	US$8  /year
>     Tuition		US$0 - 10 /year   (preschool - college)
>     Unemployment rate   0.000000001%      (After being hired)

Let me add even more:

	4: According my even longer experience, the food prices and prices fof  
electronic devices in China are as follows:

	pork:	$0.5 lb
	eggs:	$0.3-$0.4 lb
	chicken:	$0.9 lb
	beef:	$0.85 lb
	apple:	$0.25lb
	green vegetable:	$0.02-0.6 lb
	rice:	$0.4 lb

	color TV:	$200-$400
	VCR:	$300-600
	CD player and stereo:	$200-$1000

Carl
	
>     ...
From: ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: REPOST[***** NEED HELP: Events for C.S.A. ******]
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:35:57 GMT

Hello Everyone,

I was the President of the Chinese Students' Association last semester
at the University of Rochester.  This coming semester, I will help
the new President to organise some NEW and EXCITING events.  We really
want to see what kind of interesting activities other CSA's (both US & Canada)
have.

Thanks for your input (in advance),
Baldwin Ng
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: parent
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:08:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <9222516.24011@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jlam@ecr.mu.oz.au (Full Name) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.225405.11998@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>In article <5499@transfer.stratus.com> cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com (Douglas D. Cheung) writes:
>>>All the observation about son, daughter, parents relationship, and parents
>>>-in-laws abridged.
>>>
>>>Two people wrote: (with light editing of grammeric mistakes)
                                            ^^^^^^^^^

Obviously, your checking was not perfect. :-(

"grammartical," right?

>>Here is another grammer problem.  :-)
>
>Now, this is a spelling problem. "grammar" not "grammer".

And my grammer problam is still unsolved. :-((
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:53:30 GMT

In <1992Aug19.145041.29888@bnr.ca> xyang@bcars279.UUCP  writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.120240.24364@newstand.syr.edu>, jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu) writes:
>|> 
>|>   In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
>|> somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
>|> then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
>|> of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine

Now anyone can go home and stay for more than 90 days and come out without
problem.  My friend who is holding public affair passprot and with a
green card went back to China three time in last two month.  He was not 
asked a single question when he came out.

F. Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:23:18 GMT

In article <Aug.16.22.13.03.1992.5167@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu  
(Xiao-jian Li) writes:
> [garbage deleted]
> 
> You simply get it wrong. It is not the goverment who askes for the Japaness
> apology. It is us people, whose grandparents, parents, brothers and
> sisters been slaughterd, raped, tortured by the barbarious Japaness
> soldiers, who deserve an apology from the Japaness. And I believe we
> will get it sooner or later no matter what.

It sounds like a little boy crying in front of a relatively bigger boy after  
the latter hit the former. I would still say that it is worthless. The bigger  
boy will never feel sorry although he might say so to save the little boy's  
face. 

Also, think about the war China launched against Vietnam several years ago. I  
dodn't think Vietnam started the war. The reason why Vietnam was hit is because  
Vietnam is weaker than China. So, do we need to give Vietnamese people an  
apology to save their faces?

Carl
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A lie
Date: 21 Aug 1992 18:12:19 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Aug21.115626.10117@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>
> Hui Zhu was right in part.  But some prisoners DO have the right to vote
>if they were not deprived of the "political rights" in the sentence.  In
>most cases, the prisoners were deprived of the rights for some period of
>time.  Considering the fact that WU served in the jail for 19 years, he/she
>must surely be deprived of ALL political rights ALL the time in jail, 
>including the right to vote.  It was also reseanable to assume that prisoners
>around him/her got severe sentences too and thus be deprived of the right
>to vote.  

I'm confused by this. What voting rights have existed for the average 
citizen in the PRC, let alone the prisoners ?  I recall some publicity
about minor elections in the mid-80's that led to Fang Lizhi's wife 
being elected for some local position in Haidian, but outside of that
brief experiment, I was under the impression that people in China had 
about as much say in their rulers as they do about the weather. Please 
clarify for me the voting process in China if I've been seriously 
misinformed.

Thanks.

Joe Huang
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china