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From: HH9679A@auvm.american.edu (Howard E. Hill-Esbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:32:58 GMT
 <1992Oct14.073931.24718@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

This is a totally unbiased and sane ranking of the
Test and 1 day international playing teams
Test Rankings
West Indies(shaky but still undefeated in a series since 80)
Pakistan(Without Imran and a declining Javed not as potent..even with Waqar)
Australia( Needs more bowlers than McDermott and Hughes)
England(Has not defeated the above teams in a series recently.OVERRATED)
India- New Zealand (even bet, no challenge to front runners may be able
to beat up on England on any given day)
Sri Lanka ( Still developing. Aravindra De Silva is a world class bat)
South Africa (Not enough recent matches. one test against WI is not

enough to judge.Good players - Wessels,Hudson,Pringle & Donald)

ODI
Pakistan
England
Australia
West Indies
New Zealand
India
Sri Lanka
South Africa -Again you cannot judge SA since They have only recently
re-entered the cricket fold playing 3 ODI against India,World Cup
and a ODI series against WI. Lots of promise though.
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Predictions :-)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 22:45:49 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Predictions for the forthcoming season;

India will beat Zimbabwe in the one-day match.
Da Test will end in a draw.

SA beats India in the ODI series 5-2.
Ties the test series 1-1.
Kaps will take 16 wickets in both the series
combined.

Manjrekar will be dropped from the team even after
taking 7 wickets in a test (all run outs).

Maninder will play in the series against 
England.

West Indies will win the test series against 
Australia 2-1.

In a close finish Australia will beat Pakistan
2-1 in the WSC Triangular Tournament Finals.

AB will become the 2nd person to reach the top
of Everest after you know who.

There will be allegations against the Indian 
bowlers for swinging the ball in the series against
England. A nominated umpire will be changed in this
series at the request of Fletcher/Gooch.

Like the retirement announcements of The Great Khan
the BCCI will announce that it will be sending a team to
Sharjah in April 1993 in the interest of "Developing
friendship through cricket".

Ciao, that's all for now.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 23:35:22 CDT
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Manjrekar
 <shyamu.718654498@pv054a.vincent.iastate.edu>

I don't think they played any club cricket there.  But I am sure that
they played some exhibition matches in Kenya sometime ago.  If you
tell the season when you saw them in action in Kenya, I can probably
find out.

Ramana Devarapalli
ramana@bert.eecs.uic.edu

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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:22:20 GMT
 <1992Oct14.073931.24718@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct14.073931.24718@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert Morieson) says:
>
>Towards the end of the Sri Lanka tour, Dean Jones, In his regular column
>in the 'Sunday Age' newspaper, said that most of the Australian team
>considered Sri Lanka to have a better team than India.
>
>No flames please I'm just the messenger :)
>--
well, since they played SL in SL, and india in oz, i don't think its a fair
comparison. i don't think oz would have any chance of defeating india in india
but they did beat SL in SL. in fact, its been almost 30 years since oz won a
test match in india, tho' they tied one not too long back.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: sl57h@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re:test
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:01:02 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

test
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: India's visit to SA
Date: 8 Oct 1992 13:23:34 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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In article <1992Oct6.230456.14220@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273) writes:
|> OK, OK, enough of this cribbing about who got selected and who didn't. 
|> Let's get on with the programme. This is the time when nettors 
|> make predictions. So where is Zakir Abdi when you need him?
|> 
|> 	--SAN


	Dear Naqvi,

	Life is sucks here. No time for predictions during this semester.
	You know I done with my MS in chemical and now doing another masters
	in Business, that's the main problem. Every thing is new for me.
	But in January 1993, I'll be availabe for predictions.
	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi  [if you want you can pray for me]
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Some stats re the Indian team to tour SA/Zim
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:39:28 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <karnik.718747197@deci> karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

>o  Test centuries: Azhar and Shastri have 11 each, Kaps has 7, and the two

Are you sure Kapil Dev has 7 test hundreds ? I thought he had just 2...

Mahesh.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN)
Subject: this is bull..ignore
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:12:00 GMT

this is bull ..pl ignore 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: nafisa@cs.tamu.edu (Nafis Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Does nationality matter? SURE DOES.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:51:52 GMT

In article <13OCT199212391432@zeus.tamu.edu> m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA) writes:
>	How many players have we seen in present and past decades who
>inspite of tremendous talents, could not make it to their natioanl teams
>because some one better than them left no place for these poor souls.
>	
>	Most obvious of such cases were or are WIndian fast bowlers and 
>also WI batsmen. In the 70s and 80s bowlers of the class of Roberts,
>Holding, Garner and company left bowlers like W. daniel, Holder, Boyce,
>and others sidelined. These bowlers could have made it to any other
>team pretty easily.
>
>	At present also, there are players who find it difficult to
>get selected in the national team even tho they might rank among the
>top in their fields. A case in point... aaqib javed.......i am not sure
>whether aaqib's place in pakistan side is that sure. On a turning or a slow
>pitch he might find himself out, or probably replaced by somene one. 
>
>	Just a thought..... would aaqib be a regular indian bowler with
>kapil if he were an indian national. Surely, he would have played for SL,
>NZ, SA, and Zim.

	you forgot England ......

>	
>	There are surely tens, if not hundreds, of such players who 
>probably might be wishing that they were born elsewhere.
>	
>	Lets see how many of such CURRENT players can we figure out.
>	HELP WANTED!
>
From: bnataraj@uceng.UC.EDU (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Some stats re the Indian team to tour SA/Zim
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:52:34 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College

In article <Bvz2Ls.LDy@cs.psu.edu> tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
>In article <karnik.718747197@deci> karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>
>>o  Test centuries: Azhar and Shastri have 11 each, Kaps has 7, and the two
>
>Are you sure Kapil Dev has 7 test hundreds ? I thought he had just 2...
>
>Mahesh.

	And i tho't he had 4....

Bhaskar
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:04:54 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <00962071.542FA400@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.154319.18831@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
>>
>I would like to give separate rankings for ODI and Tests
>
>ODI
>---
>
>1.Pakistan
>2.England

	   Eng is a much better ODI team than Pakistan. I think I would
rank England as #1, and Pakistan as #2.

>Tests
>-----
>
>1.West Indies
>2.Australia
>3.Pakistan
....
>7.South Africa
>8.Sri Lanka
>Any Comments

I do think that you are overlooking some of the recent peroformances.
South Africa almost beat WI in a test match. Aussies were humiliated,
if not beaten, by Sri Lankans. On the other hand, any team with a
bowling attack as explosive, and as consistently devastating, as
Pakistan, has to take the team to the top of the test match ranking.
Wasim is deadly, Waqar is a phenomenon, Mushy is magical, and Aaqib
provides the gravy to bring it all together. 

	   Pakistan are hardly consistent enough to be #1 in ODIs, but
their performance and ability merits being #1 in tests.





-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: dinesh@pyramid.COM (Dinesh Jalisatgi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Need England - India itenary.
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:16:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
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 Hi,

 Can somebody email me England - India test itenary.

 Thanks.

 Dinesh.
From: though@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: NZ Tour to Zimbabwae
Date: 17 Oct 92 13:12:02 +1300
Followup-To: though@waikato.ac.nz
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct16.165557.11447@waikato.ac.nz>, though@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> [much deleted]... 
>>>
>>>PS Martin Crowe is still in bed...
>> 
>> Why??
>> 
> Some fever that wasn't specified in the radio report I heard.  All they did 
> say was that the team doctor said it wasn't Glandular fever.
> 
> from though@waikato.ac.nz
> .sig under construction

This radio report was early in the week (and early in the morning 8-), and I
have since been informed by e-mail that Martin Crowe does have Glandular Fever.

Sorry about taking up bandwidth with this but the editor I'm using wouldn't
let me reply by e-mail.
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: India's visit to SA (j n a is do prediction)
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:29:10 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1b1comINNlrp@coral.bucknell.edu> zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.230456.14220@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273) writes:
>|> OK, OK, enough of this cribbing about who got selected and who didn't. 
>|> Let's get on with the programme. This is the time when nettors 
>|> make predictions. So where is Zakir Abdi when you need him?
>|> 
>|> 	--SAN
>
>
>	Dear Naqvi,
>
>	Life is sucks here. No time for predictions during this semester.

Good to hear from you, Zakir.   It is a shame that life is sucks with you.
Let me help you with the work load by doing the prediction this time.

	There will be some high scoring games.  There will be
	some low scoring games.  Zimbabwe will suprise.  Perot
	will punt on thrid down again.  SRT, along with his buddies
	Lara and Inzamam, will continue to inflate his ODI average.
	(What a horrible, horrible phrase I have learnt this summer).
	It will be a very pleasant summer.

And one from the PAD:

In the forth day of the first Test in Pakistan's next tour of England,
the umpire will order Aquib off the field to change his undershirt.
Aquib will throw a tantrum at this obnoxious request, but reluctantly
comply and demand an expalination at the press confrence.  The ICC
will meet for five hour behind closed doors to study the matter and
then read the folowing prepared announcement:
	"After much thorough consideration, the ICC has decided 
	 not to offer an explaination."

Tabloid stocks will remain steady.  

Yous in prayer,
j n a



>	You know I done with my MS in chemical and now doing another masters
>	in Business, that's the main problem. Every thing is new for me.
>	But in January 1993, I'll be availabe for predictions.
>	Khuda Hafiz
>
>	Zakir Abdi  [if you want you can pray for me]
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: eldip@lut.ac.uk (DI Patel)
Subject: Manjrekar
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:07:44 GMT

Dear Netters,

Hallo!  I am a newcomer to this, but I read recently something about a team
full of allrounders ( I m unable to reproduce the article coz i don't know how
to!!!).  In the article, someone wrote that virtually all the players who
might play for India in SA can bowl except Manjrekar and More.

I am from KENYA (in E. Africa for those who do not know it) and Manjrekar
(a class batsman, no doubt) used to play as a professional for one of the
clubs in our Sunday league ... and he actually used to bowl in the matches
there!!! Maybe it could be argued that since the standard of cricket in Kenya
is poorer (much?) than that in India, he was allowed to bowl.  I, however, 
have always thought that his action was suspect and he used to chuck.  But
he can bowl a bit, even though he is quite useless at it.

As a matter of interest, other Indian players who play / have played in Kenya
in the past are

Sandeep Patil (still plays)
Salil Ankola (who was overlooked for the Indian team)
R. Kulkarni (not sure which one)
Chandrakant Pandit (who played as a batsman / bowler!!!)
Ghulam Parker (still plays; a shadow of his former self)
Praveen Amre (played one season and is now in the Indian team!)

The above are the more famous ones; other less famous ones are

Jaydeep Mathur (eclipsed Manjrekar by outscoring him throughout the year
		A very fine batsman indeed!!!! heard of him? - Rajasthan)
Jimmy Sanghani
Deepak Jain   (Rajasthan in the Ranji)
Bharat Mistry (Plays for Baroda / Saurashtra in the Ranji)
Milne (Maharastran player; not sure of his full name)
Shivlal Yadav (sorry he should be in the famous group)
Anuradha something (medium pace  -  big hitter for Kenyan standard)

Cant remember the others ... but there were quite a few over the years.

Any comments welcome.....

Dip.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:20:09 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct16.152839.18445@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273) writes:
> The question really is whether Lloyd would have played a world class
> spinner if he had one rather than another fast bowler. Obviously I do
> not know the answer but the fact is that Lloyd and Richards did not
> have that option.

Not quite true.  In Lloyd's time, there were certainly people like Derek Parry,
Clyde Butts and Ranji Nanan (who would probably only be familiar to locals) who
were considered good spinners.  Ranji Nanan has he record for most aggregate
wickets in domestic competition.  Lloyd just wasn't interested in spin after
his spinners let him down against India at POS.

Latterly there are three highly promising spinners, Dhanraj of Trinidad, a
legspinner who wreaks havoc annually, Nehemiah Perry the offspinner and Robert
Haynes the legspinner, both from Jamaica.  They are just not selected.  Every
six months this prompts a debate as to whether Lance Gibbs would have played
for the WI in the modern era.

> 
> More pertinently, would this tactic of playing four of five fast
> bowlers work NOW. IMHO the answer is negative. I think that batsmen

Come on Shamin, In the last 5 series played anywhere in the world, where have
the batsmen not been comprehensively outdone by pace?   Lokk at the top three
teams (WI, Aus and Pakistan) and you will notice, that there pace attacks are
still far superior to anything the rest have to offer.


> have become better and more used to playing fast bowling.  This is why
> the spinner is making a comeback. Many players now play the quickies
> well and very very few play the spinner correctly. I am really looking
> forward to the WI/Aus series where we will find out if the Aussies have
> become better at playing fast bowlers.  And then of course the Pak/WI
> series should settle some more of the issues.

The spinner will make a comeback it is hoped as a result of the one-bouncer
rule (not my words, but Colin Cowdreys).  I'll wait and see.

> 
> 
> 	--SAN
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From: munidasa@me.utoronto.ca (Mahendra Munidasa)
Subject: Re: Best SriLanakan cricket team
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:03:39 GMT

ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:

>> My choice would be either Amal Silva, Brendon Kurruppu or Guy De Alwis.
>> Amal and Brendon were better batsmen but Guy was a better wicket keeper.
>> Guy's batting record was poor because he lacked the attitude for 1st class
>> cricket.  He was an explosive bat at the school level and he did very well
>> when he captained the SL U-19 side against the visiting AUS U-19 in the
>> early 80's. This team included David Hookes and Graham Yallop (?)

>What! That makes Hookesy a pretty young man at the moment!! David Hookes is
>about 38 years old at the moment (making him 28 in the early 80's - a bit too
>old for Under 19 selection! :-) Perhaps you mean the early 70's?

>> Vasee

>--
>Daniel.



AUS school team which included Yallop and Hookes visited SL in the early
70's.  But if I remember right Guy wasn't around at that time.  SL team
included Warnapura, Duleep Mendis, Gajan Padmanadan etc.  I remember
Gajan (who played for Oxford) hitting sixers all over the place at
St.Peter's grounds.

Mahendra
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: A few snippets from Times Of India
Date: 11 Oct 1992 01:11:41 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

I was catching up on the week-old issues of Times Of India, and read some
interesting comments on the selection of the Indian team to SA/Zim.

First of all, it is reported that Vishwanath chaired one of the least
controversial/uncomfortable post-selection news conferences. Almost all the
selections were accepted with little dissent, and the only questions,
naturally, were about Kambli and Maninder. 

Vishwanath is said to have explained that Maninder and Raju were considered for
the spot, and they decided to go with Raju because he had also done well in the
domestic season, and netters may note that Azhar and Wadekar were also in the
selection meeting. 

Coming to Kambli. Azhar was given the option of going with an extra batsman or
an extra bowler, adn Azhar preferred to have an extra bowler. So Kambli took
the fall. Who came in his place? Banerjee. Why? Because the selectors were not
too impressed with Abey Kuruvilla and Venkatesh Prasad, who were also in
contention. Salil Ankola also was considered, but Banerjee was given another
chance after a 3 for 47 test debut. 

Who are the selectors? Anand Shukla, Russi Jeejeebhoy, Anshuman Gaekwad and
..... I forget. Perhaps later.

Vishwanath is said to have been very comfortable, sincere and honest in his
views and approach. I say "Yippee!"

Now on to a couple of newcomers/recalled-oldtimers. Chetan Sharma was recalled
thanks to his "spirited display" in the past two seasons. He is only 26, though
he has been around a long time. Jadeja's brilliant fielding coupled with his
decent batting clinched his place. Kumble's performance did it for him. And his
performances in the few games he has played has been much appreciated where it
matters, whatever our learned netters say. Another "Yippee!" from me. :--)
Yadav, who started as a chucker/offspinner, switched to keeping on the advice
of Sarkar Talwar, his coach. And he has never regretted. A protege of Kapil's
(Paaji to him and other Haryana cricketers), he is said to be soft-spoken and
mild-mannered(Whew!). Also he looks slim and athletic. 

Added to the stats Neeran has already posted, the average age of the team is
only 26 years, Kapil being the oldest. Kumble says Manoj Prabhakar was very
competent in the Irani Finals, and faced Kumble very well. Manoj made a fifty
and walked after scooping a catch to silly point. Kambli took five catches off
Kumble, and not six as reported earlier. 

Raman's big century made him a surety. What else? That's all for now, folks.
Good night. 

-Murali
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: cost of a cricket ball
Date: 10 Oct 1992 16:13:48 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
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Keywords: hydrocarbons...

In article <1argbqINN6r4@coral.bucknell.edu>, desikan@bucknell.edu (sridhar desikan GR) writes:
|> I would like to know the cost of a cricket ball ( in $ or pounds).
|> 
|> Wouldnt it be nice if the spectators can have the ball they catch. ( I do expect
|> a serious discussion how it would affect the game, age of the ball etc.  ;-) )
|> 
|> flames welcome. I can direct some to  'crystal ball' Zakir Abdi  ;-)
|> 
|> sridhar
|> desikan@pleiades.bucknell.edu



	Dear Mr. Desi-Khan,  [if you like it than told me]
                 ^^^^^^^^^
	The cost of a cricket ball is actually depends on the level of inflation
	in the country where you are going to buy that ball. Economies of scale
	is also to be consider while making any decision. But the most important
	thing will be the buying power of customers. If you are going to buy a
	cricket ball than in my personal opinion I will suggest you to buy in $$
	rather than in LBS, $$ is now stronger than LBS.
                       ^^^                          ^^^ 	
	I am not agree with you about the idea that "spectators can have the ball
        if they catch it". You know why I'm not agree with you.????

		"Than what happend to the Pakistani bowling side, and all
		 the efforts of poor Aaquib Jaweed (famous for doctoring
 		 the Ball) will be wasteful"

	As a Pakistani I don't like that option. Will talk about it later.
	     ^^^^^^^^^

	Bye,

	Zakir Abdi
From: mapsj@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Simon Juden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Sobers on batting
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:34:00 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>Former WI captain Sir Garfield Sobers recently made some interesting
>observations regarding the present state of the region's cricket, especially as
>far as the art of batting is concerned.
>
>
>"Hooper, for example, is young", said Sobers, "and if he is that good he will
>come again, and while Simmons was disappointing in England, Lambert who was
>called up to toward the end of the series, did reasonably well in the one Test
>he played; yet it seems as if he has been forgotten while Simmons is being
>afforded so many opportunities.
>
>"The selectors, it seems," continued Sobers, "must be keeping them in the team
>in order to prove a point, no doubt hoping that they will eventually come good
>and so justify their early opinion of them.  That cannot be right, and it is
>certainly not fair to the other players."

...does this make anyone else think of Mr. Hick?
Simon