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From: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Subject: Re: What compression value should I expect on a 87 Tercel?
Reply-To: norcott_bill@tandem.com (Bill Norcott)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:29:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.215503.11251@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, milind@vaxwrk.enet.dec.com () writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Hi guys,
|> 
|> I recently bought a used 1987 Toyota Tercel 3 dr.liftback. I had a compression
|> test done on it before buying and got compression values around 170 in all 
|> four cylinders. The range was 166-172. Is this OK?

Yes.  A big problem like cracked head or bad piston rings will put
one cylinder way below the rest.  A difference of 6 PSI is in the
noise range.  You could probably bring them closer by adjusting the
valve clearances, but I would not worry about that small a difference.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bashiti@newton.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Abbas J Bashiti)
Subject: 4WD's
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:12:23 GMT


     I am currently beginning to look into a new car.  Currently i'm leaning
towards a Sport Utility.  At this point I am trying to stay with an American
brand, but if I get a good reason I might look at an import.  I've looked
at Jeep Wrangler's and found them to be too small and too crude for me
no matter how much the open feel appeals to me for the summer.  I also 
took a ride in a base Cherokee with the 6 cylinder in it and I like it
a lot.  This truck is at the top of my price range considering my
trade in and recent grad rebates etc.  The salesdroid quoted payments
in the area of $269 @ 9.9% for 5 years with $2500 down.  This is acceptable
but still more then i'd like.  He basically wants sticker and isn't offering
much for my car (which I can kinda understand since its 5.5 YO and has 
128K mi.).  
    My questions are centeres around whether I might get a better deal on
a base S10 or Jimmy with a 6 in it.  Will the Jimmy move as well as that 
Cherokee did.  I was impressed at the power in that truck.  Does a 
Jeep rate sticker price, or where should I start to wheel and deal?
I was thinking to begin with that i'd like to offer something like
13 to 13.5 taking into account the rebates and all already, but I need
to know if i'm leaving them anything.  I could also use some advice as
to common refernces for pricing on these types of vehicles.
    I'm kinda set on the Cherokee or S10.  I'm getting married this year,
and my fience has a 4.5 year old, and we'll probably be looking at
another kid within the lifetime of the car.  This means that i'll need
enough room to haul 2 kids and 2 adults.  This kinda eliminates the 
Dodge Dakota V8 I wanted to look at.  This also kinda slipped into my 
price range.  
     Well, take your best shot and let me have some advice.  I honestly
don't get to read rec.autos as much as i'd like so e-mail would be better,
but i'll keep my eye out either way.

Thanks in advance...

later,
AJ
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rain-X?
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:14:21 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <C1Iyny.5Ds@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>Does this product really work?
>
>If so, are their any side-effects, or consequences?

yep...from what i have seen those who use it become obsessed with it...they 
tell everyone they know about it...at parties...work...church.
and they become slaves to re-rain-xing the window monthly since washer fluid
eats it away.  luckily my car came with windshield wipers for free so i 
just use them when it rains.>
From: rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Camaro
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:59:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.249.27.175

Does anyone have any info such as pricing on these jewels?


rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu
From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Q: how do i know if i need a new catalytic converter?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:08:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous

In article <hellmann.728020981@sycamore.cs.scarolina.edu>,
hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (Doug Hellmann) wrote:
> [stuff deleted]  Also, they say to smell the exhaust and
> if it smells like sulfur, some sort of terrible chemical reaction has
> taken place inside the converter and it should be replaced.  
> 
In a fuel injected car, sulfur (rotten egg) smells from the exhaust are
usually just an indication that the oxygen sensor needs replacing.  In a
carburated car, it could be that you're running a little rich.  At any
rate,
have a reputable mechanic check for these relatively cheap fixes before
dropping a lot of money into a new converter.

Steve Wall
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: damon@tc.fluke.COM (Damon Darley)
Subject: WANTED, VW BUG TRANSAXEL
Followup-To: poster
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:02:10 GMT



I am looking for a BUG transaxel with a 4:37 ring and pinion (locked or not)
and a 1:72 3rd gear.  This will be used for racing, about 150 HP.

If you have such a beast please call me at (206) 356-6049 work days, or
E-mail me.  I may not read this group.

Thanks Damon Darley
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					PO Box C9090    MS 99
		(206) 356-6049		Everett, WA 98206   USA
From: shaikh@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (SHAIKH/AMIR/MR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Totoya Corolla Wagon
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:45:52 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

Big question!!  

I've seen a Toyota Corolla Wagon for sale and I wanted to find out some people's
opinions obout this car.

The thing that scares me is that it has a 1.6L 16valve engine.

Isn't the car a bit big for that size engine???

Also, the ground clearance of the car is much less that most other cars.

I'm afraid that if you fill it with five people and fill the trunk with junk..
the car will touch the ground ;) (joke).

Oh..the car is an 1988 and has about 75K on it.

It's in beautiful condition..and the guy is asking $5700 Canadian.

Let me know any info. you have either by email or just followup.

Thanx.

Amir
shaikh@pooky.ee.mcgill.ca
From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Subject: Re: CR's auto ratings (was Re: Before Buying Japanese.)
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.
	<1993Jan21.182820.796@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1993Jan26.053549.9256@informix.com>
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:26:24 GMT


>>>>> "Colonel" == Colonel Panic <aland@informix.com> writes:

    Colonel> The only info they use is reader questionnaires (which in
    Colonel> itself I find odd; I've been a CR subscriber for 8 of the
    Colonel> past 12 years and *never* got a questionnaire),

Last year I received a CR questionaire asking for my experience on
everything from cars to stereos, etc.  I've only subscribed for 2
years; my guess is that its pretty random and you've been "unlucky"
:-).

    Colonel> Look closer at the ratings breakdowns.  Many just Don't
    Colonel> Make Sense.

I've noticed this myself.  Also, their criteria for "Best Buy" and
"Recommended" status is confusing.  The Geo Prizm in the '93 guide
gets (this is from memory so appol. for inaccuracies) 54 total points
and the Saturn gets 59 total points and appears to have generally
better marks on things like economy and braking.  Why would the Prizm
get a Best Buy and the Saturn only get a Recommended?

I think you can use CR as a tool, but not the only tool when making a
purchase.

-B
From: fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: getting tree sap off car body
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:23:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: radgumbo.eng.sun.com


Anyone have any hints or tip on removing tree sap
drops of the body of the car???

Thanks,

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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:28:20 GMT

In article <C17n3D.DLr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:

>
>	Yes, Greg, but you forget, the Sterling was made in England, where
>reliable cars are only made by GM (Vauxhall) and Rolls Royce.  The Legend was
>made in Japan.  The Probe and MX-6, and 626 for that matter, are all made in
>the same plant in Flat Rock, MI.  Obviously the same car made in different
>factories by different companies could, and probably would, have dissimilar
>repair records, but cars made in the same plant by the same workers won't...

Checking the 1993 Buying Guide I find . . .

The Mazda MX-6 and Ford Probe were essentially idenitcal except for
the 91 model. 

I don't know where they diverge on the assembly line. But that
one year may have been a fluke. Certainly not enough to hurt the
credability of the ratings, when you find some many other patterns
(even the other years for the Prob and Mx-6) with cars.

(like Toyota exhaust being black for most models and the Chevy Nova
a toyota clone also black)

Anyways, HOW about how they rated those cars. Did what they determine
sound like what you would expect from a toaster rating company?

john
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From: dwsmall@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Derek 'Enzo' Small)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: a mazda 626 question
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1993Jan25.104125.15251
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

> Well it finally happened. As you know  some of the 626 have the
> fancy struts with the suspenssion control. Mine were shot and 
> the fix was costly so I drove the darn thing for almost two years
> with bad shocks until I started getting wet spots in the back seat
> floor. Removing the plastic sides in the trunk revealed that the 
> strut tower has cracked where it was welded to the body (only on one side)
> 
> Question 1: Is there a fix for it that won't cost a fortune.
> Question 2: If the answer to 1 is yes, is there an alternative
> 	    source for struts for this car? The  original ones
>             cost close to $120 per strut!!!
 
I can't see where the strut is related to the cracked strut tower.  Any
decent body shop should be able to fix that but it won't be cheap.  You
may want to check with Mazda.  I'm not aware of any recall but that sounds
like a pretty serious design or construction flaw.  For the struts just
use the standard ones without the electronic control.  They should be 
less, though $120.00 for factory struts isn't all that bad.  

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with American Cars?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1judv3INN523@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:47:09 GMT

In article <1judv3INN523@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> ifap327@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:

   In article <4fMVzoC00iV3A4z7sk@andrew.cmu.edu> ga22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary Paul Atcheson) writes:
   >    About a year and a half ago there was NOTHING with four doors, a V-6
   >engine and a five speed (or any manual) available under $27,000 (or
   >whatever the SHO base was then).  Now there are at least two: They are
				      ==========================

   >both Japanese. I will say that we leaned American becuse they HAVE

   Er... actually at least three: the VW Passat V6 ($21,000 with ABS, traction 
   control, 5-sp manual or 4-sp auto, CFC-free AC, etc etc)


Um, don't they have some 4-door Mustangs with the 5-liter V8
for way less than this?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ryo@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ryo Inoue)
Subject: Availability of new 2WD Cherokee ?
Reply-To: ryo@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:11:29 GMT

Does anyone have any information on when the 2WD Cherokee
will be available ?  Any idea on list/dealer price ?

Thanks for the info.

Ryo.



From: gregb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Begay)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:08:26 GMT
Subject: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


On my two Toyota's (4cyl Camry and 4cyl truck), it is *VERY* 
difficult to not get oil on the engine block when changing 
oil filters.  This, later, leads the that disgusting burnt 
oil smell.

When is it ok to wash off the engine block?  Are there
precautions that should be taken?  Should you wash the
engine at all?

Comments?

GregB
From: todd@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Todd Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 4WD Suspension Question
Date: 28 Jan 1993 03:32:05 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu


In reading through the option list for the '93 Jeep Cherokee (not the Grand
Cherokee), I noticed something called the 'Suspension Package' which
includes (besides some other stuff) high pressure gas shocks (front & rear),
larger tires, et cetera.  Then it mentions that the rear stabilizer bar
is deleted.  Obviously this package is intended for the 4WD models.

Can someone enlighten me as to the purpose of a rear stabilizer bar (other
than to stabilize the rear) and the reason for its removal in the situation
described above?

Thanks.

Todd    (todd@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu)

P.S.  Would it sound reasonable to you for a dealer (salesdude actually) to
      promise to sell me the cherokee of my choice (even if it has to be
      brought in from another dealership) for $550 over invoice?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:03:52 GMT

I hope they've cleaned up their act because I'm planning on purchasing the
`93 Grand Cherokee Laredo.  I was impressed when I test drove it and the CR
report recommended it over all the other SUV's tested so I guess I'll have to be
one of the guinny (sp?) pigs on this one.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hiester@bach.udel.edu (Jason Grego Hiester)
Subject: Re: What is a Volvo 265 GL?
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:07:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.194119.16516@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
>I saw a Volvo 265 GL wagon with a "For Sale" sign yesterday.  It looks like
>an old 240.  What is the difference between a 265 and a 240?
>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Ron DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)
>AT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA

Well, it looks like an old 240 because that is, in effect what it is.  I
can see you are not confused so much by the car as by the name.  The '2'
stands for 2-series.  That's why it looks like a 240.  The '6' is for the
engine.  The 260s had straight-six engines.  The '5' refers to the body
style, 5-door.  Not really all that complicated.  Hope it helps.

************************************************************************
*  Jason Hiester
*  University of Delaware
*  hiester@brahms.udel.edu
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From: dstarr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dwight Starr)
Subject: Chrysler Minivan Headlights
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:52:49 GMT

In another thread someone mentioned the inadequate high-beams on the
Caravan and Voyager.  All I can say is "ain't it the truth!".

The low beams seem too close , and they have been aimed by the dealer.
The high-beams seem to disappear when you turn them on.  It must be that
huge lens not concentrating the beam but dispersing it.

I am used to a Volvo with 4 sealed halogens that seem capable of highlighting
a stop sign 2 miles away.  The vans high beams are doing good to highlight a
sign at 500 feet.

Has anybody found a solution?  

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From: pnelson@natasha.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Is it OK to wash off the engine?
Summary: no-touch for radiator hoses?
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:51:00 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1993Jan26.095148.22605@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM writes:

>   I was told to be careful about steam cleaning the engine, for it may
>dry the rubber hoses and eventually cause them to crack.  Don't know if
>this is true, though.

Has anyone tried No-Touch tire cleaner on radiator hoses? Might keep them
from drying out as fast. What about belts? Too slippery?


--

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            they imagine it an unscalable wall.      Proverbs 18:11 (NIV)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kalin@math.psu.edu ( kalin )
Subject: a mazda 626 question
Organization: Math Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:44:39 GMT

Well it finally happened. As you know  some of the 626 have the
fancy struts with the suspenssion control. Mine were shot and 
the fix was costly so I drove the darn thing for almost two years
with bad shocks until I started getting wet spots in the back seat
floor. Removing the plastic sides in the trunk revealed that the 
strut tower has cracked where it was welded to the body (only on one side)

Question 1: Is there a fix for it that won't cost a fortune.
Question 2: If the answer to 1 is yes, is there an alternative
	    source for struts for this car? The  original ones
            cost close to $120 per strut!!!


Regards,
kalin
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW M3 Inquiry
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:52:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan22.033650.12948@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>
>not all audi 200s are AWD, but they are all turbocharged.
>get a 200 quattro.  the coupe quattro has a 20 valve engine but is
>a little slow.  and the S2 (turbocharged) isn't sold here.
>a 200 quattro will dust an M3 in a stoplight race and doesn't have
>the boy racer look of the M3.  bet it costs less to insure, too.

--A good Audi to consider is the Turbo Quattro Coupe, not the Coupe Quattro.
  For those who don't know, the Coupe Quattro was the newer model based on
  the 80/90 and had the 20-valve head.  The Turbo Quattro Coupe is the older
  square-cut car (1983-1985 in U.S.) with, of course, a turbocharged version
  of the Audi five.  Very few of these cars were sold in the states.
  However, they have a legendary status in Europe; in fact, an AutoWeek 
  staffer named it as one of the best cars of all time.  

  The Turbo Quattro is hard to find locally.  You'll have to look in
  AutoWeek.  Also, the '85 is the best model, but the '84 is good as
  well.  Both model years have the improved interior and the wider
  wheels and tires (which transform the look of the car).  They can go
  from $13,000-$18,000.  They aren't quite as fast as the M3, but overall,
  it is a great car.

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kokerj@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak)
Subject: Re: slick 50
Reply-To: kokerj@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:59:27 GMT

In article <exuptr.763.0@exu.ericsson.se>, exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Sunbird a la 400ci) writes:
|> In article <C1F2JG.A9B@trc.amoco.com> zrol01@trc.amoco.com (Richard O. Lindsay) writes:
|> 
|> >You don't need Slick-50 or STP or any of the additives.  If they were
|> >needed the oil companies would have incorporated them long ago.
|> 
|> Hmm.  I use a 'viscosity improver' on my chevy small block.  It's probably 
|> in need of a ring job, but my compression *has* improved with consistant use 
|> of the additive.  Maybe I could just go to higher weight oil, but somehow I 
|> think what I'm doing is the best move.

The only way that consistent use should improve your compression is if it's  
gunking up in there. Otherwise I suspect that a higher viscosity would
give you a consistently higher compression than with a lower viscosity.
You're right, don't use a heavier oil. I know someone with a 78 350 chevy,
heavier weight oil prematurely wore the bearings. The new goodwrench 350's
recommend 10w-30.
 
|> BTW, does anyone know what a good "normal" oil pressure range should be?
|> 
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|>  "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand..."
|>  "Ignorance and prejudice, and fear go hand-in-hand..."
|> 
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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:46:16 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax.solbourne.com

While reading article <1k0p61INN4h9@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, I noticed that
dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM said the following:
> The Grand Cherokees are undoubtedly popular, and Chrysler has a hit on its
> hands...  just like in the old days w/the Cherokee.  Question is, what
> indication is there that Jeep has learned any lessons?  Why believe them THIS
> time?  Only time will tell.  Maybe Jeep has learned its lesson this time,
> but its for Jeep to prove it to me, not for me to take a chance on it.

One of the more interesting things I noticed when I went skiing this past
weekend (and therefore saw LOTS of Grand Cherokees) was that Jeep seems to have
poor QC.  Yes, it's just an incredible nit, but...

The "Jeep" logo affixed to the tailgate of Grand Cherokees is made up of four
separate pieces, the "J," "e," "e" and "p."  Out of about twelve GC's I only
saw TWO that had the word "Jeep" glued on in anything close to a straight
line.  Now, unless the glue slips with time, this tells me that Jeep can't
even be bothered to glue their logo on correctly!
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