From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: WHY?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:42:41 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) writes:
>Dear Gentle person (Since I don't know or care what is your gender or sex)

 Before I criticise some of the points you made, I best mention I agree
with you taking a critical stance against the claims of the person you
were replying to.  Nevertheless I think some of your argument involve
sloppy logic.
I also better add that I am criticising you arguements, I am not 
criticising your claims that there is nothing wrong with TS and TV.

>1) I did not chose to be a cross dresser. God (or Goddess) made me 
>   this way.
 ? I doubt it.    From this I understand (perhaps incorrectly) that
   you imply that the desire to wear the clothes of the opposite sex
   is biological.

>3) No person is all male or all female. A males has typically 6 times
>   the testoerone than a woman's. Yet both male and female bodies
>   make both testoesteron. Infact testoesteron creats the sex drive
>   in both men and women.
>   God decided to make us males with female attitudes and characteristecs
        ^^^^^^^
>   or female with male attitudes and characteristecs. Why? I belive
>   so we helpe others with understand the differences and simulaties
>   between men and women.

  Are you in personal correspondence with God, if not how can you claim
to know the reasoning behind the actions of God.  

>4) I am following God's plan. He made me this way. I am going to be
>   the best and loving transsexual I can be.

Bad logic. Torquamada of the Spanish Inquisition, Mathew Hopkins (one of 
the English witchfinders), the nineteenth century European colonialists,
the protagonists in the Crusades and in the wars of religion of the
seventeenth century ALL might have argued they were "following God's
plan".

>6) When I denied my nature I was living in a fanticy. You seem to think
>   God does things only one way. God has a much more acceptance of
>   his creations than you do.
How do you know?  For all you know one and only one way may be acceptable
That way could be Islam, Hinduism, Atheism etc etc.
There is nothing wrong with denying your sexual nature, or are you
claiming paedophiles, necrophiles, zoophiles, coprophiles etc etc
should practise their sexual inclinations.
Maybe the person who argued TS and TV were evil regards them in a 
similar way to the way most people regard paedophilia or necrophilia.

>7) I am not "gay". I was born male and I like women. As I become a 
>   "woman" you might consider me a lesbian.
I don't know enough on human biology to comment on this but I have
a question:-
Is there not a chance that after you remove the testicles the 
individual will cease to have an interest in sex so move from 
being hetero-bi-homo-sexual to being asexual?

>8) A Freak? Jesus was a "freak". John the Baptist was a "freak".
>   Moses was a "freak." I guess I run in good company.
It could be argued so were Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Idi Amin etc etc
do you still claim to be in good company.

>Love and hugs,

>Celeste
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