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From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: mild acne
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:40:18 GMT

In a previous article, adwright@iastate.edu () wrote:
>WHen i was a teenager i took zinc supplements. At first it seemed to make 
>acne worse, but then it looked better. I dont know for sure if it helped 
>or i just "grew out of it", but i noticed beneficial effects within a few 
>months. Anyone else had success with zinc?
> 

I have personally found zinc very useful for skin problems.  I had discolored
area on my arm that persisted for years (would go away during the summer). 
When I started taking zinc, it went away for good.

My wife was recently taking 30 mg of zinc for another problem.  Soon after
stopping it she started to have acne, restarted the zinc and it's going away. 
While doing some reading I found zinc recommeded, plus of course Vit A, Vit C,
and also GLA (evening primose oil or MAXGLA).  You could also try cutting out
sugar.  I find when eating a lot of nuts I break out.  Getting sunshine helps
also.

Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
From: chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: One promising cure for hair loss
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:05:50 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)


No, I haven't tried it yet. But McDougall, in his
book "12 days to dynamic health" pushes veganism as
a possible cure. He cites an authoritative-sounding
reference (read "somebody please look this up for me").
The author of this book (summarized by McDougall),
based on experiments with and the experiences of
Japanese men, concludes that baldness is primarily
due to animal fats in the diet. (This seems convincing,
since there are far more bald men in the West than
in the East where less meat is eaten.)

The cure: a vegan diet, regular shampooing, and
regular application of an *oxidising* lotion to
the scalp. The result: mild to moderate regrowth
of hair in at least 30% of the cases studied.

Reference:

INABA, M. "Can human hair grow again?"
J. Dermatology and Surgical Oncology
12:672, 1986.

I hope one of the medical types on the net who has
access to this paper will post a summary for our
benefit.


Chandy



Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Crystalline vitamin C - caveats
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:29:56 GMT

In <1993Jan7.063832.21184@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>I'd feel better not taking so much acid in the first place -- is there a
>>reason you prefer ascorbic acid to calcium ascorbate?

>What does it matter if it doesn't make you uncomfortable?  Do you have
>any idea what the acidity of your stomach contents is and how it compares
>to the acidity of vitamin C?  If you did (your stomach is several orders of
>magnitude more acidic), you wouldn't make making statements like this.

Well, as a matter of fact, taking 500-1000mg of ascorbic acid *does*
make me uncomfortable, while taking an equivalent amount of calcium
ascorbate doesn't.  Why would that be?

Further, an uncomfortable stomach (from perhaps too much starchy food,
or not chewing enough) is helped considerably by a weak acetic acid
solution (half a teaspoon of good balsamic vinegar and a glass of
water).  Why would such a weak solution help?

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: maryn@superc.nosc.mil (Mary Nguyen)
Subject: Correct short-sightedness without glasses
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:57:05 GMT


> > Now to my question. Is there any way to get better sight again.
> > Related to the earring I am thinking of accupunture, or is there some
> > eye-training, homeopatic remedies etc.?
> 
>    There is a surgical operation which takes about 10 minutes,
>    and the healing takes about 2 weeks.


> the formation of scar tissue is then supposed to correct the shape of
> the eye. There is no good way to control the effect and consequently
> the operation usually doesn't give the desired result. Furthermore it
> seems that it may give complications on the long run and therefore it
> is being less applied. I would not recommend it.

Keratotomy has been around since the 70's.  I have two friends who had the
operation performed on them and they have been quite happy with it.  It's
been around 10 years since one of them had it done.  He was very nearsighted
and the operation corrected his vision to the point of not needing glasses
at all.  It's been about three years since the other person had it done, 
she says she'll do it again.  I've looked into having it done myself but 
because my vision hasn't stabilize, they refused to operate on me.  Also,
younger people are discouraged from having it done because of that reason.
I was told that usually by your late 20's, the vision is stabilized.  There
is no guarantee that your vision will be corrected to 20/20 or that it won't
get worst later on, but it seems to be pretty effective.

There is also another method under research using lazer to reshape the cornea.
This method has not been approved by the FDA.  I forgot what it's called.  
It is suppose to be very accurate, but it hasn't been around long enough for
us to know the long term effect.
 
BTW, has anyone read the book "Better Eyesight Without Glasses" by W.H. Bates
and used the methods in the book?  I'm curious to see how effective it is.
-- Malika
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:20:01 GMT

In article <NS14.93Jan6002253@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu> ns14@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers) writes:
>	I don't know if I agree with this.  I believe vitamins a, c,
>and e are known to be antioxidants.  That's it.  There is a virtually
>unlimited number of compounds that could serve as an antioxidant.  In
>line with the radical theory of aging,  some people consume
>"unnatural" antioxidants such as bha (butylated hydroxy anisole) and
>bht ( butylated hydroxy toluene)  in the hopes that it will lessen
>radical mediated destruction and thus slow aging.

Arn't those food preservatives? 

Does that mean eating enough twinkies will make you live forever? :)
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha)
Subject: Re: Juicers
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:14:15 GMT
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Dave Eisen (dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan5.165326.29298@samba.oit.unc.edu> london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London) writes:
: >In article <1993Jan4.192931.1311@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> 
: >rkaren@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.karen) writes:
: >> (original question about juicers deleted to save space)
: >
: > (Recommendation of Champion juicer, industrial model)
: >
: (Further recommendation and happy anecdote about Plastaket)

I have been thinking of buying a juicer for a long time, and have always
heard that Champion was the best.  When I saw these messages, I decided
it was finally time and went out to buy one.  I couldn't find one anywhere!
No stores that I went to/phoned in the Boston area carried them; some had
never heard of Champion.

So, is it really worth my time/effort to dig one up?  Does anyone have any
suggestions on how I could find one in my area?  How about the company
name (I assume that is the "Plastaket" that was mentioned) or phone number?
One friend got one used - any recommendations as to whether this is wise
or unwise?

Thanks for any information anyone can give!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Pitha                      Molecular Simulations Inc.
bobp@msi.com                   16 New England Executive Park
(617) 229-9800 x242            Burlington, MA 01803-5297
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:16:23 GMT

In article <1idf7kINNdq1@shelley.u.washington.edu> bulwinkl@stein.u.washington.edu (In Cognito) writes:
>I slept on a hide-a-bed over the holidays and developed nasty back spasms.
>I'm also experiencing laziness and despondancy about work/school.

Well, the second sounds absolutely normal.

>My boyfriend is a Certified Massage Practitioner and did some
>work on my back, which stopped the worst spasms, but it is
>still painful.  Meditation has helped ease muscle knots in
>the past, but doesn't seem to be enough now.  Other than
>drinking lots of "Stressed Out" tea and/or some booze, are
>there any remedies to release the (presumably) emotional
>knots in my back?  Do those flower remedies seem to be the
>appropriate ones?

Why would they be emotional?  People get back back spasms all the time;
maybe it's the pain and limitations in movement which gets them down.
In any case, how about a nice hot bath?  It works wonders on stiff
muscles.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers)
Subject: Re: Requesting relaxation and brain exercises and sources.
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:56:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.071812.10595@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Seth.Morris@launchpad.unc.edu (Seth Morris) writes:
>  I am compiling a file containing relaxation exercises and various  
brain/mind
> exercises. The original impetus for this was to create two files: one on
> relaxation and one containing concentration, memory, visualization, etc
> exercises. I realised soon that the second file relied heavily on  
material
> presented in the first. The current plan is to have a section containing
> various relaxation methods, exercises, and systems (progressive,  
autogenic,
> visualization, breathing systems, etc), a section on affirmation and
> visualization technique ("Now that you've got a silly grin on your face, 
> what're you gonna do?"), and a collection of exercises developing other
> mental facilities.
>  I am very interested in source material and bibliographies. Also, I  
would
> like to discuss my collection's organization and biases with interested
> parties.
>  I would prefer replies by e-mail, but will continue to read these  
newsgroups.
> (Please tell me if my attempt at cross-posting failed, I've never tried  
before)
> 
>  My material strongly reflects my bias towards the Falcon Press school  
of 
> thought and is geared towards the Inteligence Increase portion of the  
SMIILE
> formula. My source material includes:
>  _Superlearning_ by Ostrander and Schroeder (Dell press, 1982)
>  _Angel Tech_ by Alli (Falcon Press, 1986)
>  _Psychological Exercises and Essays_ by Orage (Weiser, 1974, orig.  
1930)
>  _Undoing Yourself_ by Hyatt (Falcon Press, 1989, revised fourth  
printing)
>  _Trance-Formations_ by Grinder and Bandler (Real People Press, 1981)
> 
>  I am intending on obtaining _Pumping Ions_ and using material from  
_Prometheus
> Rising_ by Wilson and _Programming and Metaprogramming the Human  
Biocomputer_.
> 
>  My exercises are marked as exercising Visualization Technique (which I  
prefer
> to call "Virtualization" unless there is a focus on visual stimuli),  
Memory,
> Concentration, "Multitasking", Perception, Emotion/Self-Awareness,
> Assosciation-Making/Imprinting (Learning how to learn), Creativity, and
> Somatic Control (mostly breathing).
> 
>  I would appreciate any thoughts, comments, advice, and especially any
> exercises you may have on any of these topics (or opinions on my topic
> breakdown, I'm certainly not married to it). Also, I would like to hear
> of any source material I've overlooked (like existing net compendiums,  
or
> more recent books).
> 
>  In addition, if any of these newsgroups are inappropriate for this  
discussion,
> or if I've missed any groups, please tell me.
> 
>  Thank you.


Try asking on rec.martial arts for Tai Chi and meditation references.
There's also alt.hindu, among aothers. However, as I understand it, most  
of the Asian practices are very poorly understood or learned from text.

-Steve
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Cold and Flu treatment- questions
Keywords: tea, cold, flu, measures
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:00:14 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1993Jan5.085137.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> lwebb@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Lynn Webb [Auntie Lynn, to you]) writes:
>I've just started trying to participate in these
>internet discussions and my spelling is evidently a great problem -- I'm
>seriously dyslexic -- so if this is a problem to people here, I will bow out. 
>Just let me know.

Don't be ridiculous! Your spelling and sentence construction seem better
than average to me.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk

    JOE, taxi driver: Unemployment will rise and sooner or later the
    masses will revolt against it. There'll be civil disorder and the
    further breakdown of civil society. The end result I hope will be
    the triumph of the people over capitalism. I also wouldn't mind
    if a few more people used taxis this year - '92 was rotten.

(Taken from "Hopes and Fears" in The Guardian, December 31st 1992, a
section which looked at what people saw 1993 bringing)
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: homeopathy
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:32:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com

In article 9z5@news.cso.uiuc.edu, bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried) writes:
> greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
> 
> 
> >There are a list of things that should be avoided, coffee and camphor are
> >two, and as a general rule, one should avoid drugs as much as is practical
> >while using homeopathics, but you can't hurt yourself by discontinuing
> 				   ^^^^^
> >medications that you depend on.
> 
> 	Don't you mean "...you can hurt yourself..."?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Siegfried							zig@uiuc.edu
> Solvet saeclum in favilla


Yeah yeah yeah, picky picky! Only a slight technicality!

B^)



Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Crystalline vitamin C - caveats
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:38:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.203405.16781@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>>2) Crystalline C is probably better for your stomach than a pill,
>>since you absorb it faster. But it is still a highly acidic substance
>>and should be used with caution: best taken right after a meal. If
>>you notice heartburn or acid stomach, try taking an antacid along with it.
>
>I'd feel better not taking so much acid in the first place -- is there a
>reason you prefer ascorbic acid to calcium ascorbate?

What does it matter if it doesn't make you uncomfortable?  Do you have
any idea what the acidity of your stomach contents is and how it compares
to the acidity of vitamin C?  If you did (your stomach is several orders of
magnitude more acidic), you wouldn't make making statements like this.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:50:16 EDT
 <1993Jan5.093244.3495@rtf.bt.co.uk> <1993Jan7.070918.22863@spdcc.com>
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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I believe that one of the differences between the immunity a woman has as a
result of having been vaccinated and the immunity she has as a result of
having actually had measles, is that the vaccinated woman does not pass on her
own immunity to any infant(s) she might give birth to, while the woman with
naturally conferred immunity does pass on immunity to her fetuses, which lasts
a few months or so following birth.

A developing problem is this:  since the MMR vaccine is not given until the age
of 1 year, and since there are now many infants being born to women
who never had measles but who acquired their immunity from vaccination, there
are now many infants who are totally unprotected from measles prior to the age
when they receive their own MMR vaccinations (usually 1 year).  25 or 30 years
ago, measles prior to the age of 1 year was almost unheard of (because most
infants were born with their mother's natural immunity).  Now measles prior to
the age of 1 year is becoming a problem, as new generations are born to women
who never had the disease.  I believe this is one of the newest problems facing
measles researchers -- what to do about this phenomenon...

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: jsbus@netcom.com (JSB Corp)
Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:54:28 GMT

bulwinkl@stein.u.washington.edu (In Cognito) writes:




>I slept on a hide-a-bed over the holidays and developed nasty
>back spasms.  I'm also experiencing laziness and despondancy
>about work/school.  I dug up my old bottles of Bach Flower
>Remedies and dosed myself with Star of Bethlehem, Walnut,
>Larch and Wild Oat.  They haven't helped my back, but I felt
>more mental energy after taking them.

Do those flower remedies seem to be the
>appropriate ones?

My wife is a Bach Flowech ractioneer, along with her practice in 
hypnotherapy, and uses Bach Flowers with, perhaps 1/4 of her clients.
The thing with Bach Flowers is that you  are not treating a specific
illness, you are treating your personality.  The healing of your
back comes as a side resof creating a more peaceful, better
adjusted person. p 

The point that I am getting to is that no one can tell you what
flowers to use from a descpirtion of your symptoms.  Someone would need\
to know what kind of a person you are.  The good news is that, unlike 
traditional medicine, or even herbs, you can not do any harm by taking\
the wrong flowers.  Therefore it is OK to experiment.

Look over some of the  books and see what fits.

Good luck!

Tom Wallace tomwa@jsbus.com
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: pedwards@csli.stanford.edu (Paul N Edwards)
Subject: Re.: acidity of vitamin C
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:11:29 GMT


In <1993Jan7.063832.21184@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.203405.16781@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>>>2) Crystalline C is probably better for your stomach than a pill,
>>>since you absorb it faster. But it is still a highly acidic substance
>>>and should be used with caution: best taken right after a meal. If
>>>you notice heartburn or acid stomach, try taking an antacid along with it.
>>
>>I'd feel better not taking so much acid in the first place -- is there a
>>reason you prefer ascorbic acid to calcium ascorbate?

>What does it matter if it doesn't make you uncomfortable?  Do you have
>any idea what the acidity of your stomach contents is and how it compares
>to the acidity of vitamin C?  If you did (your stomach is several orders of
>magnitude more acidic), you wouldn't make making statements like this.

Steve, the ph of ascorbic acid is 2.1. It's hard to see how stomach
acid could be _several orders_ of magnitude more acidic than that.

Your posts have a rather angry tone. Maybe you could be a little gentler.
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: tscwhitehead@vx9000.weber.edu (Clarke Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Juicers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Weber State University
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:02 MST  

In article <1993Jan11.014120.15505@pegasus.com>, richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes...
>I'm not sure I believe the claim that vegetable juices `have the most
>effect' when consumed without their fiber.  I'd be interesting in hearing
>about any evident or references to literature supporting it.
> 
>I can see how the effect might be quicker and that the drinker might get
>more of a `rush', but unless you're doing heavy exercise for extended
>periods (several hours or more) it seems completely unnecessary.  Slowing
>the uptake of nutrients doesn't necessarily make them less effective.
> 
>Discarding the natural fiber, when people are trying to get more fiber
>in their diets, seems like a mistake.

Most proponents of juicing do not recommend juices "in place of" whole
fruits and vegetables.  Fruit and vegetable juices are to be consumed in
addition to a diet rich in fiber, including fresh whole fruits and
vegetables.  This is a much more natural way of getting vitamins and minerals
than through pills.

> 
>I think, who ever said; `you can sell *anything* with good marketing'
>would probably see the recurrent juicer fads as a prime example of that
>axiom.  (The guy that hawks them on those incessant info-mercials is
>certainly a full-fledged charlatan, for all the absurd claims he makes.)

It sounds like you are stereotyping all juicers because of one brand sold
through infomercials.  I don't like infomercials either, and would probably
avoid buying a "Juice Tiger" or some other over-commercialized model because
of the marketing, but there are many good brands available.  Obnoxious 
marketing of one brand does not mean that it is a "fad" product.

>Just my opinions.
> 
>-- 
>Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com

And this is just mine :)

Clarke