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From: tempelma@prl.philips.nl (Harald Tempelman)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:10:10 GMT

skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>When I first heard about the IDE interface I thought it sucked, but it
>will be nice to be able to add huge and cheap hard drives.  Still, I

But it's a *slow* interface...  Compare it to the 386/486 boards with IDE
interface: it's the bottleneck of these machines.  It's ashame that machines
with such processing power are released with the IDE interface in stead of
EISA or SCSI.

					Harald

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jseymour@medar.com (James Seymour)
Subject: Re: Amigas are cool
Organization: Medar, Inc.     Farmington Hills, MI
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:21:09 GMT

[Note: I didn't catch Michael's original comments, just what Ross
 included.  So I may be taking something out of context.  Note also
 that I'm commenting on both at once.]

In article <haley.712388692@unixg.ubc.ca> haley@unixg.ubc.ca (Ross MacGregor) writes:
>In <1992Jul28.222912.8025@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>
>>True. However, memory protection won't save you since the OS, like every
>>piece of software, will have bugs.

By that logic (to borrow from another post) fuses are equally superfluous
as they frequently won't protect you from, say, a badly designed or mis-
used electric appliance (say, a space heater).  They also won't protect
you, in many (most?) cases, against lightning.  Or electrocution.

>>                                   In my experience MP doesn't lead to
>>better or safer software but to sloppy programming.
				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>

You did day "In [your] experience", so I'll hold the flames and simply
suggest that you're getting the wrong software from the wrong source(s)
if these are the experiences you're having.  Do you seriously believe I
like it any better when a UNIX/Xenix program I've written core-dumps due
to a segmentation violation (or whatever) than when my Amiga goes
(totally) belly-up?

Secondly, while you're right that "MP doesn't lead to better or safer
software", understand that that's not the point to MP.  The point is
to lead to a better, safer environment for other tasks/users.  You know,
poorly-coded task A not trashing task B's code/data/environment.  Or
hauling-down the entire machine.

>Yes, I think Amiga programmers may be the most careful around, out of
>necessity mind you but still the same.  I've heard many stories of
>UNIX code dying on the Amiga.
> 

Sigh...  Has little, if anything, to do with MP under UNIX.  Has more
to do with the fact that AmigaDOS is not UNIX and that programs written
for UNIX can be just as badly (or non-portably) written as those for
any other OS.

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>haley@unixg.ubc.ca       |  absolute truth.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:14:24 GMT

>>As for cpu power, the 486-50 beats it by quite a few marks.  A 040-25 only
>>has the performance of a 486-33 cpu.  But if you compare a 040-33, well
>>that may be another story.  
>
>heh heh, but the day you show me that 040-33 Amiga, I'll haul up 
>an Intel 80486DX2-66Mhz machine.. :) :) :)
>
>(They really do exist, you know)
>

	Not to mention the fact that the 040 Amiga is selling for $5100.
    I'll bet you will be able to get a loaded 486DX2-66 for a lot less
    then that.

							G.Greene


>*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 
>*"It reminds me of something Cally said. 'He who trusts cannot be
>*betrayed, only mistaken.' It was a saying of her people.... Cally is
>*dead. So are most of her people." -Avon, from _Rescue_ (Blakes 7)
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: falcon 030 specs rele
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:50:45 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

FM>I 've heared that the next falcon generation will have 2 or more DSP's
FM>connected to the main memory by one high-spee-bus for each dsp.

FM>And - rumors about tomorrow say that there will be a big green
FM>arkle desaster consuming the who universe ....

FM>And - I really hate hearing nothing but rumors about something nobody has ever
FM>seen nor hacked 'around with but which are useful to keep a certain company
FM>alive that likes making you hungry for something that is just a cloud
FM>of ideas in some developers' mind .

FM>* FLAME OFF *
FM>_vorgive me, i could not stand it any more_

 I heard that the original designer for the Atari Falcon computer was Elvis.
That's right! He faked his death because it was his life long dream to build
a computer for Atari. He couldn't do that being a star. He faked his death
and Atari has been hiding him ever since. Look for the big announcement in
Germany when they announce the Atari Falcon. They will then introduce the 
designer who of course is Elvis. Millions of Elvis fans will buy the Atari
Falcon because each unit is hand autographed by the king.
 
 This rumour came from a very reliable source!
 
 Just ask any Atari user, they will verify this rumour for you!
 
robert.buonincontro@canrem.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: DIR
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:55:01 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>
>>Which, of course, is useless if one wants to run applications like Word,
>>Excel, CorelDRAW, FrameMaker, Borland C++, etc.
>>
>>Seriously, Gerald, how long can you play with the OS until you start looking
>>for something else to do with the machine?
>
>Ah ha, so your argument is that the Amiga has no applications.  I knew many
>people were uninformed about the Amiga, but I thought the advocacy fanatics
>knew a bit more.  The Amiga has applications, and the Amiga has Bridgeboards,
>emulators, etc.
>

I didn't say that the Amiga has *no* applications.  I said that the Amiga has
no applications like Word, Excel, etc.  Big difference.

>
>I bet a software emulator would run pretty well on that 040...
>

Too bad software emulators are too slow and only emulate the 8086.

>
>-- Gerald
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:20:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.041634.19769@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

[ ]
>
>I THINK I've got what you said sorted out.  Anyone ever tell you your
>English is really, really bad?  Yes, many versions of many programs
>ARE now running on Falcons.  However, they're all ST programs, and
>will get no benefit from the Falcon besides running faster.  For
>instance, Calamus (DTP) could benefit greatly from a 256 color screen.
>However, that will require a total rewrite, to be likely.

Apart from saying that I really hope Atari pulls this off (if only to keep
everyone else honest), I must really object to this kind of personal attack
on someone's language skills. This is,in case you don't know, an international
forum (which means not only America) and many people don't have your 
obvious shakespearean talents.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:45:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug19.224535.9456
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: Greg, if you had the option to run Windows and DOS, would you do it?

Dos?  No.  Windows?  Possibly.

Does that mean that DOS and Windows compatibility is a feature that
makes OS/2 better than AmigaOS?  No.  That should be obvious.

It is an obvious feature.  Is it a feature that makes OS/2 better?
No.  If I want, I can get a 386sx bridgeboard, and run OS/2 under
AmigaOS.  Do I want to?  No.  I've got no real need to run Windows
programs, OS/2 programs, OR DOS programs.  Anything I don't have for
the Amiga that I want I can get, one way or another.  Whether that be
porting from GNU stuff, programming myself, or buying.

Greg

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:52:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.161716.8520@sagpd1> monty@sagpd1.UUCP (Monty Saine) writes:
>	Well there was the time he (MB) wanted Gould dead.....

   I did not say I wanted Gould dead.  I simply said that I would not cry if
died.  There is a difference.  I am also far from being the only person to 
say such a thing -- I was merely the first.  Since I made that statement about
3 1/2 years ago, about a dozen or more other people have said the same thing,
or pretty close to it.  Irving Gould is not the most peopular guy in the 
world these days...

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
    "Beware the ides of September..."
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Are you people right about Jeff?
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:02:33 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: North Carolina State University


 
Personally, I haven't grinned so much while reading postings in a long while!

I hate to see it, but reading Jeff is akin to reading BLAZEMONGER articles :)
[Ducking and waving garlic around in case any BM customer reps are reading.]

I mean, how can you NOT love someone who threatens Irving G with a visit 
from the "60 Minutes" TV crew???

Great stuff, even if the quantity gets a bit much at times.

<still guffawing from this morning's posts>  - kevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Subject: 040 Amiga
Reply-To: andyp@admiral.uucp (Andy Patrizio)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:01:22 GMT

Jesus, Commodore puts out a 040 A3000T and all you guys can talk about 
are Video game consoles? Wake up, will you...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:52:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>
>>Did I say that OS/2 is in a class above AmigaDOS?  Remember, you asked
>>what features OS/2 has over AmigaDOS.  So I listed some of them.  Let's not
>>twist each other's words around, OK?
>
>I believe the reason why I asked for features of OS/2 over AmigaDOS was
>because of your claim that one shouldn't compare the two operating systems
>since one did so much more than the other.  I wanted to know what it did.
>You certainly seemed to imply that OS/2 was in a class above AmigaDOS.  I
>apologize though, if I misunderstood you.
>

No, the whole discussion was an inquiry into OS/2's disk space and memory
requirements.  The point I was making was that OS/2 does a lot more than
AmigaDOS, and that's why it requires more disk space and memory.  I never
said that this extra functionality is particularly desirable -- that kind
of thing is subjective.  After all, some people even find the GUI to be a
total waste.

>
>Ignoring the fact that the discussion is shifting, let me point out that
>I see no reason why a 386 Bridgeboard solution with a SoundBlaster board
>installed wouldn't run Wing Commander with full SoundBlaster support.  So
>by your own critera, then, an Amiga running OS 2.04 with a bridgeboard
>has the feature of being able to run Dos/Windows binaries *completely*.
>

Sure, but at that point your OS (AmigaDOS+DOS+Windows) takes up a lot more
disk space than AmigaDOS alone, and you need lots of RAM.  That's what this
discussion was about.

BTW, if DOS/Windows compatibility is no big deal, why would anyone bother
manufacturing a Bridgeboard?

>
>John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:     hfsi!ata@UUNET.UU.NET
>
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From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Aaaaaack!  Take it to advocacy!
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:08:54 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <16173@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zerkle@cs.ucdavis.edu (Dan Zerkle) writes:
>Here's a hint:  If your post contains any of the following phrases, it
>belongs in .advocacy, and should not be posted anywhere else:
>
>"... really sucks"
>"Commodore Marketing"
>"Marc Barrett"
>"... technology is way behind ..."
>"... is obviously better than ..."
>"new chip set"
>"Bahamas"
>"cheap '486 clone"
>... and so forth.

	Commodore Marketing really sucks.  Marc Barrett technology is
way behind.  The new chip set is obviously better than a cheap '486
clone in the Bahamas.  And so forth.

	Followups to c.s.a.audio. :-)

                                                        Dan

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From: Mike_Noreen%cave@sweden.eu.net (Mike Noreen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: I'm SICK of Multiple Postings!
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:33:12 GMT
Organization: The Misty Cave BBS +46 753 33132

Am I the only one who gets annoyed when forced (well, sortof..) to read the
same messages in two-three conferences?

In the case of Misc and Advocacy, some 30-40% are duplicates (my highly
subjective estimation), and very often indeed entire threads will be posted
in both conferences... The current 'LOOK CBM IS WORKING HARD... is one of
them, and the one which finally got me to write this, although it's not the
only one.
Multiple postings - according to me - is a waste of bandwidth, a pain in
the back, and probably one of the major causes of death among the readers
(internal bleedings caused by stress)!


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Crime & Death Penalty Re: Perot ? (the thread that won't die)
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:18:04 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Aug22.222923.18129@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>: EWWWWWW
>
>Oh, don't be so damned squeamish.  At least aborting a post doesn't
>leave a bloody mess.
>
>And I don't care if you people out there think the post had a right to
>be read, it's my system.  I'm not a prisoner to my posts, see, I can
>kill them before they even leave the system.

But the Lord Unix O God spoketh in the Great Man Page, and I quoth:
"Name:  VI
 
 Sysnopsis: VI <insert Holy Filename>  
 
 Desription: Our most holy low-level editor, never since has there been an
            editor so grace with humility and simplicity.  The VI's 
            suffers for the simmer EMACS sins.

            Whosoever shall [ESC], and then striketh the keyboard 
            with :wq shall have eternal peace in the news spooler.
            The fragile post is sacred, and is a full, complete, UNIX-
            fill convert to His ways.        

 Option:
         Thou shaly not abort the most humble VI post before the shalt
         enter unto the Lord's most holy USENET.

         SEE ALSO:  EMACS, SIN, ETERNAL CORE DUMP DAMNATION    

Besides, Operation VI-post Rescue will give you HELL if you abort that poor
VI post.

>(big smiley...  ;)

[A big, eye-rolling smiley... R-)

>(: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
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From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:14:58 GMT
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX

> [a bunch of amazingly (for c.s.a.a) sober dicussion deleted]

>Read carefully... the poster did not mention financials at all.
>Liberals have a bad tendancy to leap before they look...the
>quick-fix mentality.  Feel good stuff.  Lack of practicality.
                       ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^
As I recall, Ronald Reagan was the torch-bearer of the "conservative
revolution" in American politics.  Certainly, this epithet applies
as much to Ronald Reagan as anyone else in MY lifetime (b. 1958).

>>  Do you beleive there should be class seperation?  Are the rich somehow
>>better?

Seeing as how nearly everyone who isn't wants to be, one would guess
there is something "better" about them.

>
>Yes.  They provide jobs, spur the economy, allow folks to improve
>their standard of living, work hard for what they have.  They don't
                           ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^
Well, sometimes.  How hard is it to inherit a fortune?  Or to swindle
a S & L?

>sit around on the dole sucking the energies of the economy.
>
>>  *That* is preserving the status quo.  Keeping "them" in their place while
>>giving "your" people all the real oppurtunities.
>
>"Them", "us", "your people"... sounds like YOU'RE the one who believes
>in class separations.  For me it's simple.  Those that produce should
>get the gold.  Those that do not...do not.  Sounds imminently fair.'

I assume you therefore mean that the representative portions of the
Federal government should not be paid? :^)

>[...]
>This is not true.  Conservatives understand that this country got
>prosperous by acting as a community and being productive.  The
>Soviet Union died because of the opposite philosophy.

Perhaps it would be fair to say SOME conservatives think this way.

>70% of the federal budget goes to entitlements.  The crap you
>hear about the defence budget is just that...crap.  We desperately
>need to stop giving $$ for nothing...allow the populace to gainb
>some pride by earning a living.  Free up business to provide jobs.
>Every person employed is another contributor in not only work
>but taxes.

Absolutely!  

HOWEVER, methinks it is a BIG mistake to waste $2G for a B-2 bomber, 
and fail to build a supercollider or a space station.  Certainly, 
one could not successfully argue that the "liberals" are responsible 
for the B-2 program; therefore in our simple labeling-scheme-world, 
the "conservatives" must be responsible.  This just goes to show 
that the "conservatives" can be just as stupid and short-sighted 
as the "liberals", you NEED ONLy look in the right places!

   Dave

Insert standard disclaimer here...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,connect.audit
From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.154334.3430@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>Yeah, I guess flaming Jeff Young is child abuse and might get us into
>trouble.  Old Slu has hit the quarter century mark and is an admitted
>masochist, so maybe I'll let him out of his cage and let him get his
>butt roasted a bit.  He's been under heavy sedation since that episode
>earlier this year and doesn't even know about the Commodore reps that 
>have been down here looking for him.  We've even gotten a few of the 
>Stunbrellas from Florida so we don't have to use the baseball bat to
>put him back in the cage.  That should make all the bleeding-heart 
>liberals around here happy.  :-)
>

I'm getting facinated now.

How come this Jeff Young discoveres the "Ides of September", and now
its in the .sig of -MB-  :-( 

Are they the same person, or do they just have a natural empathy for
each other?????


Yours,

Michael


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