From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Mechanics and their ilk
Originator: curtis@moccasin.cs.Berkeley.EDU
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:00:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.141521.334@hhcs.gov.au> makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.235224.27677@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, curtis@berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
>
>>> A major result of power is the unthinking arrogance displayed by
>>> said country's leaders
> 
>> No, sirree.  Our arrogance is professionally designed and
>> mathematically calculated.  
>
>I see, a carefully crafted cover of blatant bastardry to the rest
>of the world.

Cover?  It's no cover.  We're honest folk - we believe what we
say.

>>>which is ingrained into it's citizens by a greedy and parochial
>>>media.
> 
>> Oh?  So what's Rupert Murdoch, then?  Perhaps a little less
>> parochialism would be in order.
>
>Murdoch's a Yank.  An immigrant from Aus to the US true but now a
>Yank.  Like Greg Norman, Olivia Newton-John and Peter Allen.

Aha.  Now I see - it's a flexible concept of citizenship.
Whenever someone does unAustralian things - such as becoming
an international tabloid mogul - they're no longer Australian.

This is like a German claiming that Kaiser Bill was Dutch.
> 
>[US Media]
>> with, you'd know that it's one of the few in the world that
>> prides itself on remaining free of slant.  Most of the bias in
>> US media can be found in what it chooses to show and what it
>> doesn't.  US TV only shows what its viewers are interested in
>> seeing.  
>
>Really!  We get some US news programs (like NBC Today).  Even a
>casual glance displays a severe lack of opposing viewpoints.

Ah!  But you see that's the point.  They're trying not to display
any viewpoints at all.  Which is why in this country you have
a number of very influential left-wing organizations claiming
that the media is biased because they don't get enough leftist
blather in their daily TV fix, and a number of very influential
right-wing organizations claiming that the media is biased
because they don't get enough fascist blather in their daily
TV fix.  That's freedom of information for you.

>Fortunately we have a large multicultural broadcasting
>service with an excellent Australian and world news team and
>we also have Radio Australia. 

Aha!  It's TASS South!
> 
>> Does Big Brother still control the TV in Oz?  I thought so.
>
>It's controlled less than the US media.

Uh, this was that "large multicultural broadcasting service"
I was talking about.

>> Actually I've lived almost half my life abroad.  It's left me
>
>Where?

Benighted and uncivilized countries in North America,
benighted and uncivilized countries in Central America,
benighted and uncivilized countries in Southern Europe,
and benighted and uncivilized countries in the Levant.

Any country where you can't get a good tin of Spam is,
beyond the shadow of a doubt, benighted and uncivilized.

>I think our definitions of "civillised" differ.  There are other
>forms of civillisation than the "American Dream".

Ah!  There we go.  You've got civillization; we've got
civilization.  I leave it to the jury to decide which
is the superior sort.

c