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From: chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Dr. Sun
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:05:13 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@paronomasia.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov18.232345.6150@mariner.amc.edu.au>, lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang) writes:
> In article <2B0228B9.3159@news.service.uci.edu>, tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao) writes:
> >
> >>In article <1992Nov12.015100.1421@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk>, b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:
> >>>
> >>>Today is Dr. Sun 126th birthday.
> >>>Happy birthday to Dr. Sun.
> >>	Yes, happy birthday to our hero and father of the nation.  We will not
> >>forget what you had done for us.
> >>
> >Revolution has not succeded yet, keep on striving, my comrades!!
> >
> >And someday when my beloved China become properous and free, my dear Dr. Sun,
> >you will finally happy and close your eyes for good. Till then, bless us, 
> >We will try hard.
> >
> >Eric Yihching Taor
> 
> I believe the image created both by KMT and CCP about Dr. Sun is biased.
> 
> First of all, I don't think China, with its thousands years of history,
> does have a nation-father who was born just 126 years ago.
> 
> Dr. Sun was an idealist in Chinese history, but his radical approach to
> the reform of China impeded the possibility of a smooth evolution in Chinese
> political system. I believe the century-long unstability in this
> country has a lot to do with Dr. Sun's radicalism.
> 
> He was a great patriotic, idealist, but he wasn't a hard-headed thinker. His
> perfect image was created on a political rather than on a historic basis. 
> 
> However, I believe that the KMT has given up Dr. Sun's naiveness and
> radicalism since 1930s, but the CCP has gone too far.
> 
> I always believe that it is no point to re-judge people, I just hope the 
> tragedy, resulted from the "good-will" radicalism, will not 
> be repeated in China. 
> 
> Luo Wang
> 
> Australia


	I guess you are right.  Let's bring back the royal family of
China.  Anyone who want to be an Emperor has got to fight this guy for it.

- Happy B Day Dr. Sun.

- C. H. Yang
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Crossing the Line
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:24:47 GMT
	<LAUB.92Nov20121840@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> <=3G=pS_@engin.umich.edu>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: hpang@engin.umich.edu's message of 21 Nov 92 01:20:05 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Nov 92 01:20:05 GMT, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) said:

Ho> In article <LAUB.92Nov20121840@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
Ho> >
Ho> >Ha, ha, ha.... I found this amusing. 
Ho> >

Ho> Yea, thanks.  Ha ha!  (Did I miss something?)

You missed something? Oh, NO! God forbidden. 

Take it easy :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 


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Mitel Corp., 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 1X3

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  that care has been chosen by you
    rather than imposed upon you.                                 -- Gibran
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong

In soc.culture.hongkong, ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet writes:

>This is just out of pure curiosity:
>
>I was just wondering what the US policy is on having dual nationalities? Say I 
>was born in HK and am now a US citizen, then can I still apply for a BNO? I
>remember vaguely hearing something about the US not accepting people with dual
>citizenship. I think you renounce your US citizenship if you apply for any
>other country's citizenship at any time after naturalization. But this is only
>my uninformed opinion so correct me if I'm wrong. 

I have a related question.  If someone was a resident of HK and is now a
US citizen, and he returns to HK, can he apply for an ID card without
affecting his US citizenship?  Is having a HK ID card equivalent to applying
for a BNO from the point of view of the US government?  I'm wondering about
this because a friend is thinking about spending an extended length of
time (maybe 6 months) in HK next year, and he's thinking about getting an
ID card to make it easier to get access to services in HK (e.g. medical)
if necessary.  He lived and worked in HK for 15 or 20 years before coming
to the US, but he was born in China.

Mirin Lew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Lun Yuen Ngai)
Subject: Yu Chun Keung Memorial College
Keywords: Alumni
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:21:14 GMT

If you were the student at Yu Chun Keung Memorial College in Homantin,
I would like to invite you e-mail to me in order to form our alumni
club so that we can communicate with each other.  I am looking forward to
your participation.


Ngai, Yuen Lun
Class 87
address: umngai06@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: andrewho@syacus.acus.oz.au (Andrew Ho)
Subject: Re: Need software to read big5 files on PC
Organization: ACUS, Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney AUST.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:23:54 GMT

>>
>>Do you know there is a Chinese version of MS-Window on PC?  It can read
>>big5 codes.  It is common here and I don't know if it is available in
>>countries dominated by non-Chinese.
>>

I am also interested in the Chinese MS-Windows. Is it commercially
available? Is it a Windows 3.0 or Windows 3.1 ? Can I mail order it ?

andrew
***************************************************
ACUS  Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
                  email: andrewho@syacus.acus.oz.au
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From: tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Smart Handsome Chas)
Subject: Queen Elizabeth School ALUM-LIST Issue 6 Part I of III
Summary: More than 70 E-mail addresses now!
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:51:32 GMT

		      QUEEN ELIZABETH SCHOOL ALUM-LIST
		      ================================
			       Part I of III

ISSUE : 6   RELEASE : 1   Date of release : 17th November, 1992
******************************************************************************
If you are a new guy to the ALUM-LIST, please read the followings: (Updated!)
==============================================================================
Welcome to the ALUM-LIST! To all of you new to this list, I need to introduce
what the ALUM-LIST is.

The ALUM-LIST is the QES old boys and girls E-mail addresses list. The first 
part of the list contains the necessary info. I recommend you not to skip 
this part, since I will only announce the changes on the list here. The 
second and the third parts is the mailing list, which contains all the E-mail 
addresses on the list. The E-mail addresses are sorted in alphabetical orders,
and grouped to different F.A. years. Hope you will find this list useful and
please continue your support to the list. Thank you very much.
******************************************************************************
Dear Q.E.ers,

	Beginning this issue, the former Part III(MES) is cut from our
ALUM-LIST. This is because it failed to gain popularity among us. Maybe, it
will come out again sometime in the future.
	I will still divide the list into three parts. What I did is to split
part II into two pieces. Since, we are getting larger, it is really difficult
for us to read a long mailing list. Therefore, I put F.A. members from 73 to 
89 into part II of the list and F.A. members from 90 to 91 into part III of
the list. Hope you will like these arrangements.
	In addition, the above section for new members will not appear on 
your list again in the coming issues. They will only be given to new members
when they received their first copy of the list. This way will save your time 
and disk spaces.
	The regulation of the ALUM-LIST will be put at the end of the mailing
list instead of putting it here. This is because some of us do not know the
proper usage of the list. From the past few weeks, there were chain letters
spread among us. Hopefully, they are now under-controlled. Hope this will 
not happen here again. Thank you for your supports.

					Yours sincerely,
					Chan Tik Yuen 90 F.A.
******************************************************************************
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:42:41 GMT
Organization: Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: strider.hw.stratus.com



           ____  __.---""---.__  ____
          /####\/              \/####\			
         (   /\ )              ( /\   )
          \____/                \____/
        __/                          \__	Funky Cheung asks,  "any one?"
     .-"    .                      .    "-.
     |  |   \.._                _../   |  |
      \  \    \."-.__________.-"./    /  /
        \  \    "--.________.--"    /  /
      ___\  \_                    _/  /___
    ./    )))))                  (((((    \.
    \                                      /
     \           \_          _/           /
       \    \____/""-.____.-""\____/    /
         \    \                  /    /
          \.  .|                |.  ./
        ." / |  \              /  | \  ".
     ."  /   |   \            /   |   \   ".
    /.-./.--.|.--.\          /.--.|.--.\.-.|



That's O.K.  Funky Cheung comforts himself, "The best possible thing
that can turn out is a geeky nerdy engineer with a few sexy pimples on."

Cheung's Funky Shop, Inc.
From: etsun@ecst.csuchico.edu (Edwin Tsun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: MS EE/CmpE in UST
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:07:31 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


	I would like to persue a MS in EE/CmpE in UST.  They have some good
	programs (e.g. ASIC).  I wondered if the MS program is heavily on
	design (practical) or heavily on theory.  Other useful info please.

	etsun@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

	Edwin Tsun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: phung@attmail.com
Subject: concert: the Chinese Music Ensemble of New York
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Original-Date: Sun Nov 22 23:15:56 EST 1992
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Organization: OSU Physics Dept.
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The Chinese Music Ensemble of New York
--------------------------------------


Autumn Concert 1992

time:       Nov. 29 (Sun), 2 PM

location:   I.S. 131
            Dr. Sun Yat Sen Intermediate School
            100 Hester St.
            NYC

Free Admission

Director:   Yu-chiung Teng
Conductor:  Chang-yuan Wang

Banhu:      Wen-jie Xia
Erhu:       Jing-qiang Guo
Pipa:       Jane Xu
Zheng:      Chang-yuan Wang
Gaohu:      Jian-qiang Zhu
Pingtan:    Ling-ling Zhao

Village Voice: "...plays a repertorire that lies between the most refined
                classical idioms and the most ear-catching ones"

Daily News:    "...presented an intriguing program of sounds. Uniquely
                stimulating to the ear"


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: help
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:01:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

guox@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Xuan-Hui Guo) writes:

>Can some one tell me where I can buy the book:"returining to hongkong"?
>Thank you in advance.

Hi.

Are you talking about the Employment Guide?  Try ftp'ing ahkcus.org 
(hongkong/returning).  Browse through HKEG.4.  It _should_ tell you how
you can go about obtaining one.  (ie, it should give you some address 
which you may contact).  

Do let me know if you need further assistance.

BTW, I have decided to update HKEG.  (finger-crossed ;)  Hopefully I can
get that done after X'mas.  

Good luck and thanks for listening,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: sl14@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Stephen Lee)
Subject: Re: One Joke A Day, No More Girls Say No Way
Organization: Fantasy Zone Ithaca, Inc.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 05:34:04 GMT

>>England:  "Elephants and their effect on the British Empire."
>>
>>USA:  "How to build the biggest, bestest, fastest and most
>>       expensive elephant!"
>>       
Japan:  "How to build the smallest, leanest, quickest and cheapest
         elephant which breaks down just when the warranty expires"

>>Canada:  "Elephants: a federal or provincial matter?"
>>       
>>China:  "Elephant: A Socialist with Chinese Characteristics"
>>
>>France:  "Elephants -- a love story."
>
>HK: "Elephants don't have a say, what can they do?"
>
>Australia: "The Republic Elephant and its future"
>
--
Stephen Lee
Internet: sl14@crux2.cit.cornell.edu
From: Samson.Luk@f1.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Samson Luk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: -
Date: 15 Nov 1992 14:33:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 >  YL> [Stuff deleted] They don't care about so called "corruption"
 >  YL> because corruption means less government regulation. The CCP
 >  YL> is reducing more and more governement regulation now. They
 >  YL> always favor these kind of market reform and the students
 >  YL> try to stop "corruption" which means more government
 >  YL> regulation.

   Corruption is most where regulation is highest.  Opportunities for
   corruption arise where there are laws that prevent someone doing
   something, but officials are able to ignore the laws when suitably
   motivated.  This is the situation in China today.

 >  YL> Why they should support the students to stop the
 >  YL> opputunities of making money. Why they should support less
 >  YL> market reform.

   I don't recall the students calling for more regulation, what I do
   recall is that they wanted the corruption in the CCP cleaned up.  The
   CCP can do so by either implementing strong measures to combat
   corruption, such as shooting party members found taking bribes, or by
   removing the regulations that give them the opportunity in the first
   place.  At the moment children of party leaders have tremendous
   opportunities to make money, with lots of them sitting here in HK
   living it up purely because they had the right father.  Meanwhile
   people born to the ordinary people have to struggle to earn their
   cash!

 > Raju
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: psmkong@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Mary Kong)
Subject: Re: The whole story about the commercial by KCR
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:18:41 GMT



It is not surprising that a lot of us do not know what KCR is.  I for one,
did not konw.  That was because I left Hong Kong about 17 years ago.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: somebody@us.oracle.com (nobody)
Subject: testing
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Distribution: whq
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:54:29 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wongi@netcom.com (Isaac Wong)
Subject: CD's .vs. LP's (Re: Neighbor's loud stereo)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.042139.3580@jho.com> john@jho.com (John Ho) writes:
>daikit@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daisuke Kitamura) writes:
>
>>LP's may be fading out, but when you reach the top end of both, CD's will
>>never reproduce the sound as brilliaintly as a record player! 
>
>I heard this saying before but I never figured out why?  I suppose
>the JBLs in my living room are not "fine" enough to make the difference. :(
>Can someone enlighten me on this?  There should be a lot of Hi-Fi 
>fever fans in SCHK. :)

My theory is if you have a large collection of LP's, the above statement is
true. Else, it's absurd. :) CD is a (much) better recording and play-back
technology than LP, period. Of course, there are always people out their
who enjoy the (virtual) "ambience" and "warm sound" of LP's. It's largely
perception; it really depends on what you "enjoy" listenning. BTW, if you want
to enhance the "ambience" and "warmth" of your CD music, just wipe Armoral(sp?)
on them. :) :)

(oh my god, what have I just started here!? i am turning schk into rec.audio,
oh no...)
From: Alan.So@f223.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Alan So)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: To all those read my message "Hello from HK's BBS"
Date: 21 Nov 1992 11:39:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi all! Thanks for reading my posting "Hello from HK's BBS"! I have received
about 10 netmail from all enthusiastic people. I am sorry that I can't reply
in netmail as I have only a few credits to send netmail. I am really sorry
for that.
I have meet this BBS

Kiwinet BBS 24 hours
Line 1   6:700/223@fidonet 987 8865
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                                 ... a free BBS

It is a free BBS but netmail require credits. Posting news is free and
receiving netmail is also free.

To Tze-Wo Leung,

       It seems that Edwin Leung is not one of the users in Kiwinet.

 * Origin: <<  KiwiNet - Hong kong  >> (6:700/223)
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From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Values
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:05:53 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov22.181940.19513@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
 wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:
>From my Pyschology class (only a introduction), the
>teacher said if a child is living in an environment without parent's love,
>it's most likely that the child will behave a lot different.  No doubt
>he/she will be more mature earlier,  but the child will have an
>'unheathly' way of viewing the world.  There are 2 possible results:
>
>1)  the child will think that nobody in the world love him/her, thus, will
>    act violent and have the tendency to solve everything in violence.
>2)  the child will think that nobody in the world love him/her, thus, will
>    think that there is no point to live (not to the point to commit
>    suicide), so he/she just live to live, no aim, no energy to do anything.

Or, 
     3) the child will think that nobody in the world loves him/her, 
	thus will actively try to love as many people as he/she can, 
	hoping a reciprical effect will come about.
	Why? I remember learning a song that went something like:
	"Love is like a special penny, if you spend it, you
	will recieve more back, if you keep it to yourself,
	it will disappear"  (has anyone heard something like this before?
	I remember it from 3rd grade (almost 12 years ago! so it's very
	fuzzy)
     4) the child will thing that nobody in the world loves him/her,
	thus will go into silent despair, trying desperately to gain
	'acceptance' (kinda like 3, but less 'love' more 'acceptance')
	into different groups/cliques/etc.
     5) the child will be a cold person, unable to love, unable to 
	receive love.  Almost inhuman.  Probably a loner too, not
	caring about others and not needing their company.

Just my $0.02
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: karkam@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kar Kam)
Subject: Re: Sports
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:57:38 GMT

In article <jkH=9y@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>
>Well, since most Hong Kong youngsters like to play basketball.  I'd kindly
>suggest those in the U.S. pay attentions to the Michigan Wolverines this year.
>Last year, the 5 freshmen starters (the Fabulous Five) marched all the way to
>play for National Championship (and lost to Duke, the defending champion).
>
>This year, they're ranked #1 in the nation and is the heavy favorite to win
>the national championship.  Check the games vs. Duke on Dec.05.  
>
>I mentioned this because they played rather in a street-wise style, which is 
>quite different from what most of you used to see (and play).  But heck, they
>are damn amazing!
>
>
>- Louis
>
>

No doubt 'bout it.  The Fabulous Five s going to knock everyone off.  The
most successful freshmem recruit forever in NCAA history.  I wished they
won the national champ last year and made the greatest page in basketball
history.  Are the orignal Fabulous Five starting this season? Or you guys
have other new Faulous?

Sorry for talking sports here again, but at least some people re interested 
in it.

Ingore this if you are not interested in sports.


DKam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: afung@world.std.com (Albert K Fung)
Subject: Re: Support for more democracy in Hong Kong
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:17:07 GMT

In article <4306@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> alee@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Alexander Lee) writes:
>
>If you only advocate to change only the cosmetics (Lego), but not the
>substance (Governor), then please don't blame others who do not take
>your claims seriously.

Since you claimed to know the American democracy, then I'm sure that you're
aware that the US Congress is the substance, not the US Presidency. May be
it's just an oversight on your part?

In that light, the HK'ers are doing exactly what you advocate!

>If, for any reason, you prefer to have British appointed governor to
>Chinese appointed governor, then I rest my case.

I'm sure that if given the choice, HK'ers would prefer their own.
Unfortunately, they are not free to choose!

That's why it is such an outrage .....

Regards,

Al Fung
SoftFab International Ltd., One Kendall Square, Suite 2200, Cambridge, MA 02139
Email: afung@SoftFab.COM        Voice: (617) 621-7014       Fax: (617) 577-1209
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