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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:36:47 GMT
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In a message dated Mon 16 Nov 92  1:45, Ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (ronnie Towns
wrote:

 RT> This is ludicrous guys. Miami had one of the SEC's best teams,
 RT> FLORIDA,  on 
 RT> its regular schedule year in and year out and FLA dropped them when
 RT> the  SEC insisted on going to a 7 game schedule. This has been
discussed
 RT> ad nauseum on this forum so I won't even go into it. 

Florida didn't want to drop Miami, period.  Ask the coach.

 RT> This "fear of Miami" thing is just plain silly anyway. I don't think
 RT> any AD in his right mind really wants a team like Miami on its
schedule.
 RT> Notre Damem, took the challenge and said, "enough". Give the Canes
their
 RT> due. They good! Nobody in any conference, SEC, PAC10, BIG10 or Saturn
 RT> 10 reallyts a team like this on their schedule year in and year out.
Not
 RT> when theyalso have to deal with intraconference rivalries that turn
into

I know for sure Florida *WANTS* Miami on its schedule.  No ifs and buts
about it.  As a matter of fact, we are hoping that sometime after 1995 we
will have them back on our schedule.  We'll see.  Also when it was
discussed that Georgia might move the annual Gator bowl meeting between FLA
and GA to a home  and home series, one of the first things brought up was
that if so, we could then fit Miami back onto our schedule.  Also, I'd
suggest reading Steve Spurrier's book in which he states he *wants* to play
Miami.

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From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Subject: Re: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
Organization: Florida State University
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:54:23 GMT

Ray Hines writes

+ I know for sure Florida *WANTS* Miami on its schedule.  No ifs and buts
+ about it.  As a matter of fact, we are hoping that sometime after 1995 we
+ will have them back on our schedule.  We'll see.  Also when it was
+ discussed that Georgia might move the annual Gator bowl meeting between FLA
+ and GA to a home  and home series, one of the first things brought up was
+ that if so, we could then fit Miami back onto our schedule.  Also, I'd
+ suggest reading Steve Spurrier's book in which he states he *wants* to play
+ Miami.

This may not be an acceptable alternative, but how about alternating
between FSU and Miami every year?

James
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:14:20 GMT
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In <1992Nov16.154927.26542@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:

> 
> >>AP
> >>
> >>1. Miami
> >>2. Alabama
> >>3. FSU
> >>4. Texas A&M
> >>
> >>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
> >>      :
> 
> >Couldn't agree with you more, A&M did nothing to merit a drop like that
> >in the polls. A W is a W and nobody remember how you did it later on. By
>  
>  Sure A&M deserves the lower poll ranking than FSU. A&M was unimpressive in 
>  their win over Houston. IMO they do not deserve to be in the top 10. Which 
>  top 25 teams have they played so far?

  Stanford.  And is a 70-7 whipping of *Tulane* a good reason to leapfrog a 
team which beats the run and shoot on the road with only 4 days to prepare?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
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Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:01:29 GMT
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In <1992Nov15.223727.19992@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> ryan@pi.cs.fsu.edu writes:

> In article <1e647pINNo7g@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> > 
> >  I hate to have to agree but...the UH was closer than it should have been.
> >That lousy SWC officiating, blah, blah.  Anyway, we can't ask to leapfrog
> >Bama since they did exactly what A&M has done all year -- exploit 2nd half
> >breaks to win the game.  But if FSU leapfrogs us becuase they got to play 
> >Temple (which isn't in UH's league), then i'll be pissed...
> 
> If FSU leapfrogs A&M, it won't be because the Seminoles destroyed Tulane.
> It will be because FSU is clearly a better team.  Period.

  REALLY, now.  *Clearly* a better team.  Just like Michigan was *clearly*
better than Illinios (a team UH demolished, before Mich. demolished UH).  You
could'a said *may* be a better team, but *clearly*.  A&M is a *comnpletely*
different team now with Corey Pullig at QB.  We beat a dangerous pass-happy
team ON THE ROAD after a short week, while you got to pound on one of the few
teams in the NCAA weaker than poor SMU.  Listen bub, the only *clear* thing 
about A&M is FSU is the won-loss columns.  Not that that will matter diddly
to the pollsters.  I've watched FSU fall behond and come back several times
this year, and while I won't even try to say we've played as tough a schedule,
(we haven't) *clearly* superior teams do not display the exact same character-
istic pattern as the team they're better than.

  I almost wish we did meat FSU in the Cotton again, but I'd rather have Flor-
ida pound you *and* 'Bama, so we could meet the 'Canes in a title game.  Bloody
unlikely, but I'd still like to see it.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:27:41 GMT
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In article <1992Nov23.132620.9158@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>What's wrong with this picture?????
>
>Before: Michigan   6th
>	Ohio State 17th
>
>During: Ohio State 13
>	Michigan   13, but it was a serious butt-kicking, and each and every
>		       Blue player knows he was whupped.
>
>After:  Michigan   7th
>	Ohio State 15th
>
>Here's hoping our 45-10 blowout of Alabama (64-6 if Florida gets in) on New
>Year's Day will vault us all the way to 11th!  Sheesh!
>Ranked 8 spots below a team that we're (right now) at least as good as?!?

while I don't give the rankings a lot of seriousness, I suspect the voters
take the whole season into account. The two losses hurt tOSU's rankings.

>
>And while I'm at it, how about the classy whine-job by Moeller in the postgame?
>
>Crying about the wet field?  Didn't we play on the same one?  Moaning about
>crowd noise (which was awesome -- the loudest I've heard in the last 40 or so
>games in the 'shoe)?  Sure it was loud, but you come out looking pretty silly
>when your quarterback tells the press that it wasn't a factor.
>
>How 'bout this Mo:  Ohio State played a pretty damn good football game.  They
>whipped your offense.  271 yards.  Total.  Over 200 yards below your average.
>They moved the ball against your defense.  360+ yards.  They wanted it more.

no argument here. congrats on great game. 


-bob
a Michigan fan

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From: shyam@netcom.com (Shyam K. Subramanyan)
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:02:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.182000.10323@cis.ohio-state.edu> brown-d@tun.cis.ohio-state.edu (david wayne brown) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.132620.9158@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>>What's wrong with this picture?????
><Stuff Deleted>
>>Here's hoping our 45-10 blowout of Alabama (64-6 if Florida gets in) on New
>>Year's Day will vault us all the way to 11th!  Sheesh!
>>Ranked 8 spots below a team that we're (right now) at least as good as?!?
>
>I don't think well blow out Bama by that Much, but we will certainly kick the 
>Gators all the way back to Gainesville.
>> Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
>*******************************************************************************

Man, you would expect the big ten schools to shut up their mouth after their 
poor performance this season. A tie with a over rated Michigan team, and the 
fans from OSU are out as if they deserve the MNC. Any of the 12 SEC teams
will beat OSU hands down (including LSU). Try watching games from outside
big Ten.  That will be a reality check for you guys...

  
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Michigan over Syracuse , Syracuse/Miami
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:07:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.125218.5427@newstand.syr.edu> pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu  
(White) writes:
> First off, I am a huge Michigan fan - this is not a flame
> 
> Why in the world is Michigan ranked ahead of Syracuse.  Syracuse has been
> playing great ball since they overlooked the Buckeyes in the opener. 
> Michigan has been steadily declining.  Michigan ties and Syracuse loses to
> the #1 team and Michigan is ahead ??  Come on, it's about time Syracuse
> got some respect from the pollsters.

Maybe the pollsters said: "Michigan ties OSU on the road, Syracuse
loses to OSU at home, thus M is still better."

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From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Scores update please
Originator: tphili@c00365-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:52:29 GMT


I am stuck in the lab and I forgot to bring my radio.  Could somebody
please either email me the scores of the following games or post.  I
have to finish my project.


NCSU-Wake Forest
UNC-Duke
OSU-Michigan
Miami-Syracuse
UCLA-USC
Stanford-Cal
Clemson-South Carolina
UVA-VaTech


Many thanks in advance!!


Teebu

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Big 10 Preview...
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:50:45 GMT
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Since I can't seem to reply to Randy's post, here I go on my own.

Michigan 24, Ohio State 17--The Wolves get up for their first real game
since the Big 10 began.                               
Michigan State 21, Illinois 16--I'll take the rushing of Duckett and Thomas
over the passing of Verduzco on a wintery day in Champaign.
Purdue 17, Indiana 13--Finally Dr. Jeckyl shows up, just in time to give
the Boilers a win in the home finale.
Iowa 34, Minnesota 13--No way Iowa lets the rodents stand in the way of a
bowl bid.
Wisconsin 27, Northwestern 21--Bad weather would benefit the Badgers. Either
way, UW should be able to run the ball and the 'Cats should be able to throw
it. Unless UW has more than 3 turnovers or can't convert chances in the
ever-popular Red Zone to TDs, Bucky should win.
Penn State 26, Pitt 17--Who cares really other than the rivals included?

--salty
From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: One down, two to go...
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:25:44 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

Someone perceptive wrote:

>Geaux Treauxjans!
>Skin the Cats!

	Done!

>Dispose of the Westwood Ruins!

	This makes me nervous, you can throw out
	rankings, previous records, in this one...

>Neutralize  Neuter Dame! 

	Yes, that'd be real nice...

Serdar

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From: crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins)
Subject: Re: Projected bowl matchups
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:00:53 GMT

subhas@charon.rutgers.edu (Subhasish Roy Choudhury) writes:

>7. John Hancock   Texas/Baylor     vs.                 Arizona
>                  (SWC No. 2)                         (At large)
>                  (No. 3 Coalition II)
                    ^^^^^^^^^^
>11. Cotton        Texas A & M      vs.                  Notre Dame
>                  (SWC No. 1)                          (Coalition I)
                    ^^^^^^^^

  These two _could_ be reversed.  Not a woof, just a fact. = )




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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Organization: The Ohio State University
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:45:31 GMT

Sorry, Mike but you are truly clueless. Idiots are just idiots. They don't 
flock to OSU. I went to the OSU - UM game last year in Michigan and I had 
bottles chucked at me, not to mention the throwing of objects INSIDE of the 
stadium.

Michigan is not the ultimate organization or team. Michigan fans are just fans.


Aaron Gillum

PS. Last year in Ann Arbor, a sign said that the capacity was 101,000 - That 
day, the scoreboard said that the days attendance was about 109,000. Seems like
the almighty dollar makes the decision for you Holy Wolverines as well, eh 
Mike?
From: sstasuke@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Steve Stasukewicz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Moeller in Ann Arbor
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:34:02 GMT
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I heard that Moeller went into a local Men's shop in Ann Arbor
the other day to buy a suit and was treated like a hometown hero.  In
fact, the salesman was so impressed with his coaching decisions from the
Illinois game that he offered Moeller a free accessory if he bought a
suit. He could choose between a nice warm hat for the upcoming cold
Michigan winters, a really nice silk paisley tie, a pair of real leather
gloves, or suspenders with matching socks.  Needless to say, he went 
for the tie. 


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: ACC Non-Conf Foes (was: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:17:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.152511.15960@b30.ingr.com> rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com  
(Rick Hopkins) writes:

> With our out of conference games, Miami, Florida, and Notre Dame, I hope the
> rest of the ACC follows suit.  In order for the ACC to gain more respect,
> they will have to drop the William & Marys, Ball States, and yes, Tulanes
> of the football world.  The exception being and any estasblished rivalries.

Here's the ACC 1992 non-conf schedule, with a (*) near established,
geographical, or in-state rivalries.  Note that all ACC teams had
to drop a non-conference game to accomodate the addition of FSU,
which in some cases was a "quality game".

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ACC NONCONF FOES, 1992:

Duke: Rice, Vanderbilt, East Carolina(*).  (Future: Tennessee,
Army, Navy, Rutgers(*) - because so many Dook people come from NJ)

UNC: Furman, Army, Navy.

NCSU: Iowa (Kickoff), App. State(*), Texas Tech, Va. Tech.

WFU: App. State(*), Vanderbilt, Army.

FSU: Miami(*), Tulane, Florida(*).

UVa: Navy(*), William & Mary(*), Va. Tech(*).

GaT: W. Carolina, Baylor, Georgia(*).

Clm: Ball State, UT-Chattanooga, South Carolina(*).

MD: West Virginia (*), Penn State (*), Pitt (*).
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First off, it's difficult for the ACC schools to get traditional
powers to play home & home series.  Look at ND not playing FSU
in Tallahassee, since it's only 62,000.  Think they'd play 
ANYWHERE in the ACC if their criterion is size?  Maybe at Death Valley,
but no other ACC stadium holds nearly as many as FSU's.  Duke has
played UT about 6 times now, all in Knoxville, with no return match
in Durham.  Oklahoma did visit Chapel Hill recently, though.

I'm not sure of the reason for the two weak foes on the Clemson
schedule, unless their basketball schedule got mixed up with
the football one.

Also, you must take into account that teams like Penn State, Miami,
Notre Dame, etc. only have so many games to schedule in a season.
Fewer now that conferences have taken two of the three.  In the
MNC race where strength of schedule is allegedly important they
will rarely waste a game on a lesser team.  So who do the lesser
teams get to schedule?  Who is left?  Each other.  And these 
contracts are often signed way in advance by the larger schools
leaving the smaller schools to pick up the scraps.

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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Miami scheduling again
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:48:17 GMT

Despite the Indiana.edu in my address I am not a Hoosier fan, but I
would like to point out that for the last few months the Hoosiers
(hardly a football  dynasty) have been trying to get a home and home
against the Canes.  Couldn't do it.   Newspaper story I last saw said
the problems had something to do with Northern Illinois and Kansas State
not being able  to move some games to make it happen.  But the Indiana
boys did try.  Miami may be the best there is right now, but aside from
Washington ducking them for one of the Pre-Season "classics" this year,
I'd be more willing to bet that teams would want them on their schedule.
Most teams want the challenge.  The SEC certainly tried to get them in
the conference during the big expansion mania of a couple of years ago.
Miami skipped to the Big East, which was only too happy to have them.
So much for any ducking there.  Of course, when Miami went to the Big
East they already knew PSU was going to the Big 11.  But I wouldn't want
to cast any apersions; they probably had reasons having to do with
money, tv. markets, media shares and such.

Speaking of such things.  Which poll takes precedence the AP or the
Coaches?  In one Fla St. is #3 in the other AM is.  Assuming Bama loses
a game (which is possible given the SEC championship game they *have* to
play--no ducking possible) who does Miami play assuming all three
(Canes, Noles, and Aggies) win out?  It seems just last week that the Canes 
were talking of ducking AM should they be the highest ranked team out there
in favor of playing Nebraska in the Orange Bowl  (ducking for bucks in
this case, not out of fear).  Now, it seems they may have to play Fla.
State in the Fiesta, and that they'd be only too willing to play AM in
the Cotton (evidently ducking for bucks takes a back seat to playing the
same good team twice in one season).  So what gives?
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
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Subject: Re: Pac Ten Review (11-21-92)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:36:30 -0500
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In-reply-to: chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu's message of Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:33:08 EST

}} In article <=pH=45#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
}} 
}} > Oregon 7, Oregon State 0	(The Civil War)
}} > Stanford 41, California  21	(The Big Game)
}} 
}} 	   Man Oh Man!  Five conference games and four upsites!  
}} How can anyone top that???  So Weird!

Which of these two games do you consider upsets?

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