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From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: It's So Simple!!!
Keywords: Read my lips -  :-)
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:18:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.1992Nov13.001847.149939
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Nov11.225538.16502@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>
>Or, how about the Giants just move to St. Petersburg
>	1) Tampa Bay has a baseball team
>	2) Chicago has a baseball team
>	3) San Francisco has a baseball team 
>		They're called the A's
>--Les

I beg to differ.  The A's are in Oakland, and Oakland is Oakland, and San
Francisco is San Francisco.  They are not now, nor will they ever be,
regardless of the home of the Giants, the San Francisco A's.  Keep them in
Oakland, and let them be.  They are the Oakland A's.  If the Giants move to
St. Petersburg, San Francisco will be utterly without a professional
baseball team.

JLee

-- 
Jason Lee
email:  jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
GO ROCKIES 1993
Don Baylor for President!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay and the Giants 
Reply-To: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:51:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.035113.25376@seq.uncwil.edu> cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
>
>	Even with all the problems I'd rather go to Candlestick
>	to watch a game than a domed stadium.
>
Which is much easier to say in the abstract than it is if you've actually
been there.  If anyone can go to a night game at the Stick and still say
that with a straight face, I can only assume the beers sold real well in
whatever section you sat in that night.

I've been to one game there, which was exactly one too many.  Never again.
Fortunately, I live on the other side of the country, so it's not like I
don't have options.  :)

Rob L.
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DH: PRO or CON
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:56:58 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler) writes:
: 
: 	I would like to hear some PROS and CONS of the American League
: 
: DH rule.  Support your view with facts and statistics.  Also state your
: 
: sources.
: 
: 
:                                         Thanks,
: 
:                                                Gu

Con.  No facts or statistics; I detest the DH on purely aesthetic
grounds.

Bill Anderson
"God save the National League"  
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From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: NL Stats, 1992 --- Typos?
Originator: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au
Organization: School of MPCE, Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:49:53 GMT

Glancing at the NL stats for 1992, I saw a few figures so far out of line 
that I have to wonder if they are typos. 

Did Lankford really strike out 147 times? No one else in the NL is close. 

Did Bonds really walk 127 times? No one else in the NL broke 100. 

Did Offerman really make 42 errors? No one else in *either* league is close.

Gerry Myerson 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rdale@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert P Dale)
Subject: Re: Unofficial Protected Lists from San Jose Mercury
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:47:08 GMT

In article <Bxns58.4ot@encore.com> jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa) writes:
>If someone has another list, I would like to see the automatic protectees,

If they're automatic then they are part of the 15 on the list...

>the free agents, the minor leaguers, and the 5/10 guys.  If someone has

Free agents can be signed at any time, minor leaguers are available
unless on the list, and 5/10 guys are on the list...

>this list post it, please.  This way everyone can see who cannot be taken
>from any team.  The protected lists are not the only players that cannot
>be taken by the Marlins or the Rockies, there are also the free agent,
>all (how many?) 250 of them.  And the 5/10 guys, who are they.
>
>If you know, let us know.  Thanks.  I would like to see who the Marlins can
>pick from from each team.

Anyone who isn't on the lists...

Rob
--
Robert P. Dale                          <>      rdale@attserv.atms.purdue.edu
Toledo, OH                              <>      74010.302@compuserve.com
Meteorology/Emergency Services          <>      N8GSK@K9IU.IN.USA.NOAM
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,ba.sports
Subject: Re: Giants Name Game
Keywords: A newsgroup gone awry?
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:59:47 GMT
Organization: Washington State University!

In article <1dclibINN4so@renoir.hal.COM> charly@hal.COM (Charly Rhoades) writes:
>
>In a frivolous (and much-needed) attempt at a new
>thread here, I submit the following "observation":
>
>(In Andy Rooney voice)  Ya'ever notice how many
>people on the San Francisco Giants have last names
>that are typical first names -- in some cases even
>more so than their *real* first names?
>
>I thought of these off the top of my head:
>
>Mike Benjaman
>Mark Leonard
>Will Clark
>Royce Clayton
>Matt Williams
>
>
>Well, Williams is close enough to William....
>And even more of a stretch are:
>
>Robbie Thompson
>Cory Snyder
>
>This isn't limited to the players.  Even the coaching
>staff gets into the act:
>
>Roger Craig
>Wendell Kim
>
>Fun, eh?  Can't wait until the expansion draft either?
>-- 
>   Charly Rhoades               
>                                   This message provided for
>   HaL Computer Systems           informational purposes only
>   charly@hal.com            

 
Oh boy, I knew the threads in this newsgroup were getting old,
but has it come to this?  There must be something out there to
talk about, anything... maybe a big trade involving someone 
like Randy Bush and a mediocre minor leaguer. :-)

Jim Jungbauer
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars, Gophers!
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: John Valentin
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:44:01 GMT

In article <1di5oeINNeot@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402747@brownvm.brown.edu (blomberg cepeda) writes:
>
>It is very unfair to do any MLE for New Britain without *serious* park
>adjustments. Beehive Field is about the size of Alaska (okay, okay,
>without the panhandle) and averages just plummet there.

This I understand.  The numbers were still dreadful, however.  I don't
know whether to take that as a serious negative or not.  Given his
success the past two years in Pawtucket, I don't take it too
seriously.  He is definitely not a .270 hitter in the majors, however.
And with a .240 BA, his OBP and SLG drop from star-level to
above-average.

>There has been serious talk in the
>Boston media about the negative effect this has had on some players, setting
>back their careers because of the pyschological shock of losing 50 points or
>more on their BA between Lynchburg and NB--I think Eric Wedge was an example.

I agree.  I wouldn't send a pitcher to New Britain, because it teaches
bad habits.  They can lean on the park for a crutch...  And you don't
want to send hitters there, because no matter *how* good the hitter
is, they won't hit higher than .260 or so...  Power?  Killed even
more!  I think the single-season record for HR was 14 before Blosser
smashed it this year (which says something about how good Blosser
is!).

>>Still, I'll be *very* happy if he hits .240/.330/.370 for a few years.
>>That's quality production for a solid defensive shortstop.

-Valentine
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Re: The NL Sched
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:33:35 GMT

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the main complaint about realignment
 from Chicago Tribune folks that they did not want to play more games on
the West Coast?

Let's see:

Chicago in East:  Games on Left Coast: 3 vs Dodgers, 3 vs Giants (maybe), 
				       3 vs Padres

Chicago in West:  Games on Left Coast: 3 or 4 vs Dodgers, 2 or 4 vs Giants, 
                                       3 or 4 vs padres

Hmm: East => 9 games
     West => 9 - 12 games

Oh, now this is a good reason to start a palace revolt!

Sounds like either the Tribune people had an alterior motive, or they lost
their clout after Vincent was c(l)ubbed to death.

Just pondering,

Kent Dietz
Twins in 95! (ALCS Home Advantage: AL West/ World Series Home Advantage: AL)
From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will the draft be on TV?
Keywords: new reader doesn't know
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen)
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Nov12.212158.20773@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:
>

>	Nuff said.  Was surprised Yankees protected Pat Kelly
>and not Andy Stankiewicz.  After Andy outplayed Kelly this year.
>

Yanks protected Pat Kelly instead of Stanky based on Kelly's trade
potential, his playing potential, better skills, and younger age.
Many in the organization feel that Stanky is best off as a sub.
Velarde is by far probably the better sub.  
Others in the organization have been known to think that Stanky's real
ability were more evident towards the end of the season when he slowed
down alot.

-Mike
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dutch Players
Date: 6 Nov 1992 20:07:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <43044@imag.imag.fr> bun@ruitor.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Leon Bun)  
writes:
> Does anyone know how Robert Eenhoorn did in the minor league this year ?
> Last year he played in the Yankee organization in Class A. I think he  
played
> in Peoria, but I'm not sure.
> What are his chances to make it to the major league ? By the way he's a
> short stop. Who are in front of him at short stop in the Yankee  
organization ?
> If you have any information on him or other Dutch players please post it or
> email me.
  ^^^^^^^ well, that didn't work, so...

This year in 57 games at Albany Eenhoorn hit .305 with an OBP of .370 and SLG  
409 he had 4hrs 33RBI and 23R.
In 60 games at Albany his BA/OB/SLG were .235/.271/.327
with 1HR 23RBI 24R.
He'll be 25 next year so it doesn't seem like his chances to reach the majors  
are very good. I'd say 20%-30% to get called up sometime,
about 5% to get nontrivial playing time.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca (SHING-YAN EDDIE SY LING)
Subject: Re: COLORADO ROCKIES 1993 SCHEDULE (long)
Originator: cs911364@g09.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:17:47 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.222407.6984@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
>> OK, here's the Rockies' 1993 schedule. All times are tentative.
>> Interesting note: Atlanta and Giants series are combined in anticipation
>> of the forthcoming move to St. Petersburg of the Giants.
>> 
>> ----------------------------cut here-------------------------------
>> 
>> COLORADO ROCKIES SCHEDULE: 1993
>> All times tentative. All times Mountain time.
>> all teams in caps are Rockies home games.
>> 
>> April:
>> 5	New York	1:10
>> 7	New York	1:40
>> 9	MONTREAL	3:05
>> 10	MONTREAL	1:05
>> 11	MONTREAL	1:05
>> 12	NEW YORK	7:05
>> 13	NEW YORK	7:05
>> 14	NEW YORK	7:05
>> 15	NEW YORK	7:05
>> 16	Montreal	5:35
>> 17	Montreal	TBA
>> 18	Montreal	TBA
>> 20	St. Louis	6:35
>> 21	St. Louis	6:35
>> 22	St. Louis	11:35am
>> 23	FLORIDA		7:05
>> 24	FLORIDA		1:05
>> 25	FLORIDA		1:05
>> 26	CHICAGO		7:05
>> 27	CHICAGO		7:05
>> 28	ST. LOUIS	7:05
>> 29	ST. LOUIS	3:05
>> 30	Florida		5:35


Do you have the schedule for the Jays??  Would u please post it for me?  Thanks in advance....

Eddie Ling
cs911364@ariel.yorku.ca
From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Who won the Cy Young awards?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:35:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Nov9.173558.11539
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


      I though that this was supposed to have been announced already, but
I haven't heard... Who won the Cy Young award in the AL and NL?

+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
| You can tell how far we have to go, when    | Jack McKinney           |
| FORTRAN is the language of supercomputers.  | jmckinney@tamu.edu      |
| 		-- Steven Feiner              |                         |
+---------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
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From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Jason Brown)
Subject: Ruben Sierra Fan Club
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:44:00 GMT

Anyone out there interested in forming a Ruben Sierra Fan Club? This power-
hitting, switch-hitting, salsa singing outfielder is one of the sports true
superstars.  Any speculation where he'll sign this winter. Anyone interested
can email me at b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu or cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu
                  ----Jason Brown 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: Mattingly, what a fine fielder (was: Hardly not etc.)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:12:02 GMT

In <BxBDHw.6G1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins) writes:
>Roger, one doesn't have to meet some standard before being qualified to
>discuss baseball.  If a friend of mine is explaining the game to a
>foreigner who has just arrived in the country (and has never seen a
>game), I would say that the foreigner is discussing baseball with my
>friend.  That doesn't mean this guy knows a lot about it.

Would you say that your foreign friend is qualified to submit a meaningful
opinion on Mattingly's ability?  This is the sense of "discuss" that we
are using here.

>Nice rhetoric, but it doesn't dispute the point.  By watching a player
>some of the time, you miss all the information that is available from
>those times that you weren't watching him.  That's what statistics are
>for-- to systematically record what happens.  Furthermore, the
>statistics filter out out some of the biases that observers are subject
>to by recording specific objective events.

Certainly statistics can make a contribution to player evaluation.  But
what about when a player has lost that "proverbial" step?  A stathead
will have to wait for a DA based on a meaningful sample size.  Someone
who understands what they see will see that that player has lost the
step and hopefully, will be able to replace that player before the 
inferior statistics show up. (and then the statheads wail "Why was player
A replaced by player B?)

>But to argue your rhetoric, why don't we use your analogy.  Suppose we
>want to know how cold (good) the weather (player) is.  I can step
>outside and say, "Yeah, today's weather (so-n-so player) is damn cold
>(good)."  But I couldn't say exactly what the set of days are that are
>colder than today's (I can feel differences of, oh, 5 degrees) until I
>flipped on the weather channel to see what the specific temperature is.

Yeah and while you are sitting there waiting for the info I have grabbed
my coat and been long gone...

rm

-- 
roger maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Subject: Re: 1st Expansion Draftee Contest: update
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:02:00 GMT

In article <1364@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes...
>Put me down for Brian Hunter.
>Bill Anderson

	I'm having trouble emailing my response in private, so I'll shamelessly
waste everyone's time my posting my response on the net.  :->

	Kent Mercker.  (Poor Braves.  I've also seen David Nied, Mike Stanton,
Brian Hunter, _and_ Jeff Blauser as possible first picks.)


	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
	---------------------------------------------------------
			David Howard for MVP!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Toronto Fans
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:32:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.191412.5762@mksol.dseg.ti.com> dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com writes:
>Here's one for you guys debating attendance. All American League attendance
>figures are overblown (including Toronto's) because the American league
>uses a completely different system to calculate attendance than the National League.
>In the American league, attendance is based on tickets sold. In the National League,
>attendance is based on the actual number of people who come through the gates.
>4 million people did not attend Toronto games this year. 4 million tickets
>were bought. Whereas, in the National League, we know for a fact that over 3
>million people attended, for example, Atlanta games. 

True, but do we know whether 3 million tickets were bought?  I.e. does the 
3Mpersons include free tickets?  

>
>BTW, does anyone have population stats on metro Atlanta? Just curious, really.
>


-- 
Pablo
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Mattingly, what a fine fielder (was: Hardly not etc.)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:41:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.213518.6646@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>
>This is hard to be sure of because the systematic observations are done
>after the unsystematic observers have done their decision making.  Non-
>superstars or players with little marquee value are replaced every year
>and many of them are veterans who managers feel have "lost a step".  They
>are replaced by younger players before systematic observers have had a 
>chance to verify that they have indeed lost a step.

Actually, they are generally replaced 2-3 years *after* it has become
obvious to all (especially the systematic observers) that they have
lost a step.

Besides, you are mostly objecting to the fact that the data isn't
readily and promptly available.  This is not a fault in the statistic
itself.  Ideally, the DA components would be published in the weekly
paper right next to BA, OBP, SLG, and Errors.

>Unfortunately other
>factors come into play which can affect the manager's decision-making
>process:marquee value, size of salary, trade-baiting, etc.  In other
>words, many of the manager's roster decisions cannot be accurately 
>assessed through systematic observation.

Huh?  This statement doesn't follow.  If you mean to imply that there
are more factors involved than simple let's-field-the-best-team, I
agree.  But this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.  You
don't somehow automatically account for all of the above factors by
tossing out defensive statistics and using personal observation
instead.  Intelligent people are quite capable of evaluating decisions
based on statistics *and* the above factors.  You will note that I
attempt to do so quite often.  I frequently criticize moves that
improve a team on the field, because of the "business" end of the
game.

>I am not sure why you consider the media's opinion relevant to this
>discussion.  Has Larussa had a better 3bman sitting on the bench or in
>the minors somewhere?

Frankly, yes.  Either Brosius or Browne is a *huge* improvement over
Lansford defensively, and a moderate improvement offensively.  (Yes,
I know Lansford hit better than Brosius this year.  But I think Brosius
could hit better if given a real chance.)

>And if he has buried a better 3bman has it been out of ignorance as
>regards to Lansford's true ability or have the other factors such as
>his offensive performance or his marquee value come into play?

Probably some of each.

>However I do agree with you that the systematic observers have on
>many occasions pointed out that a manager has been wrong in his
>decisions.  However we have no way of knowing how many times that
>manager has been right and so the accuracy rate of either systematic
>or unsystematic observation is unknown.

Good thing we aren't required by law to choose one or the other.

-Valentine
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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Canada's Sport?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:39:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sni.1992Nov6.153933.27583
Organization: Jays Fans Who Have Recently Splurged On Memorabilia

In article <1992Nov3.014030.1208@julian.uwo.ca> cazabon@csd.uwo.ca (Yvan Cazabon) writes:
>I partially agree.  IMHO, I think Ed Sprague should be converted into a 3rd 
>baseman (I'm pretty sure that's not his 'natural' position (whatever 'natural'
>means)) but I'm willing to give Kelly another chance.  He's had two injury
>filled seasons in a row.  If he focuses on a complete recovery and serious 
>rehab. this winter, I think we could see more of the old Kelly that produced 
>100+ (118?) RBIs a few seasons ago.  Of course, if this doesn't happen, ...

The Jays tried Ed Sprague at third in 1991.  He simply could not handle
the position.  He makes Jeff Kent look like two Terry Pendletons standing
side by side (or ten Carney Lansfords).

I like Sprague, but I think the Jays should trade him now while his value
is high.  He doesn't have a defensive position, and I don't think
he can hit well enough to become a full-time DH.  He's just like
Hector Villaneuva:  a good hitter, but where can you put him?

--Dave "has twice had Hector on his roto team" Till
  e-mail path:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
"Canada, let it all out.  It's party time." -- Tom Cheek, Blue Jays
radio broadcaster, at approximately 1 in the morning, Sunday, October 25, 1992
Date: Wednesday, 11 Nov 1992 12:39:54 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Comparing Eckersley vs. noname reliever
Distribution: na

regarding the 9 stolen bases off of eck compared to the one caught
stealing...

who cares? if some guy happens to get on base against the eck, he's
most likely not going to score anyway, regardless of what base he's
on.

bob vesterman.
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