HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys: Wright trade soon?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:43:47 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In article <1992Oct9.121216.574@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>
>With the activation of Jimmy Smith,  look for Ace to be traded soon
>for a backup running back and some other compensation.
>

Ditto from this neck of the woods, except that the Cowboys may try
to get strictly a draft choice for him.  I would be surprised if he
had much trade value, but maybe I misunderstand the value of speed in
the NFL.  Maybe someone is just looking for a kick returner...

Let's see, who could Dallas get?  And what does this possibility mean for
the future of Blake and Richards?  They are not that far from being ready,
and Dallas only has room in its offense for 4 RB....

How about these possibilities?

Trade to NO for Dalton Hilliard (they want a new WR)
Trade to SD for Harmon (not much 2nd WR production in last few weeks)
Trade to Raiders for Marcus Allen (hmmmm, probably too much to ask
        for, but it sure make a lot of sense..., but too many $
Other Raider running backs possibly, they have a large stable...
but they don't need another WR....

Well, those are my best guesses, any others?

*ice*
From: chernesk@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chernesky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 10-6 & not in the playoffs (was Packers starting QB - Majik or Favre)
Summary: New Orleans 1990
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:51:26 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Oct15.183921.20884@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:
>The only reason the Packers didn't make it to the playoffs in '89 is 
>because there was one fewer wild card then.  They added another one
>starting with the '90 season.  And although there have been 3 teams in
>the last 3 years {I think} from the NFC that haven't made the playoffs
>with 10-6 records, this is a rarity.  Mainly attributable to the fact 
>that the NFC has been a much stronger conference than the AFC the last
>few years.
>

I seem to remember that New Orleans mad the playoffs after the 1990 season
with an 8-8(?) record.  They just beat out Dallas for the third wildcard
spot and proceeded to lose to Chicago in one of the "wildcard" games.

Mike Chernesky
From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:54:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1992Oct12.165442.15953
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1992Oct12.161737.15300@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>
>Sheesh, a team goes 4-1 against some average (at best) teams and all 
>of a sudden they're world-beaters.  3 of the Vikings 4 wins were by 
>less than 1 TD.  They had to go into OT to beat the Packers for god's 
>sake.
>
>If the Vikings can get beat by the Lions, they can get beat by the 
>Oilers.
>
>JGH

I agree.. The Vikings (playing poorly) can get beat by any team in 
the league.  The Vikings (playing well) can also beat ANY TEAM in
the league, as can KC, Philly, Buffalo, SF, ....the list goes on
and on....   Face it, these guys are all professionals, anything
can happen..  But the Vikings are an up and coming team and will
be a Super Bowl Contender in the next 2 years..

	
		
-- 
Eric Sybesma
University of Michigan
sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu
From: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rating the QBs)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:05:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) writes:

>In article <29710092@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>and Steelers.  Rice, as good as he is, has not had quite as
>>great stats in the season-and-a-third since Joe last played.
>>There is plenty of evidence that Joe made others look good as there is
>>for the opposite contention.

>Yes i've noticed Rice's drop off in production too.

>Obviously this is partly due recently to the loss of John Taylor, but
>Rice always made big numbers even before Taylor was a threat.

>Does anyone else think that Rice isnt as productive because of Steve
>Young?? Is there something about the way he throws that makes Rice not
>his key target?? I'm sure Rice still made the play with Bono in, whereas
>Taylor seemed to get the play with Young at the helm.

There are at least three factors in Rice's below-par performance so far
this year.  First (and IMHO, foremost) he held out almost all of pre-season,
then had a good game in the last pre-season outing against Seattle.  I
think this combination made him think he was already in prime shape
without having to do a lot of extra work to catch up, but even his ability
and normal hard work could not make up for that.  Second, he has been hurt
in the early games, both literally and by those false start penalties. 
His timing is probably off by just a hair.  Third, and this is where Young
does come in, Montana was able to lead Rice on his crossing routes just
right so that he did not have to slow down to catch the ball.  John Madden
made a nice illustration of that in the broadcast of the game against the
Rams.  Young is not quite as precise as Montana on those patterns, but
then, Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated has said that Montana is easily
the best there ever was on that pattern.

The first two factors should get worked out before much longer and the
second will be helped as the season goes along.  It seems to me (but I
don't have any stats in front of me) that there have been games in which
Young was the QB and Rice had very good games.  I think they tend to click
better on fly and flag patterns than on crosses and slants.
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Re: Joe Gibbs/ Redskins win SB XXIX
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:14:24 GMT

In article <psima01.718549036@convex> psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
>Oct 1992: The Redskins lose against the Broncoes by virtue
>          of a late drive by John E. and witha 2-3 record
>          are virually out of this year's contention.
>          they finish 7-9
>
>Jan 1995 (+/- 1 year)
>         Joe Gibbs and the Skins win SB 29(+/- 1) over Houston
>         It is JG's 4th SB with his 4th QB.
>
>Oct 1995: The Redskins lose..... (insert John Elway's grandson)...
>
>why is it that coach Joe Gibbs can build SB teams in somehting
>like 4 year intervals, but not a repeating team?
>or is it Washingtonitis?
>
>Michael
>
>and where are salt and pepper once I get to eat those words? ;-)

First of all, I think you are making a big mistake in saying the Skins will finish
7-9 this year, and I will supply the salt and pepper for that comment.  :-)

But I don't expect the Skins to win it all this year (Eagles, 49ers, Chiefs, Bills,
Dolphins, and Oilers are all hungrier and more dedicated than my team, IMHO).

But I DO expect Joe Gibbs to build another superbowl team up from the ashes of
this years poor performers (read Rypien), and that team will be quarterbacked by
Gary Conklin, a fine young QB with 100% more skill than Mark Ryp.  But the big 
question still is unanswered: QUOTE "why is it that coach Joe Gibbs can build SB
teams in somehting like 4 year intervals, but not a repeating team?"  The answer
lies in the EGOS of the QBs.  Gibbs and his staff are the reason for Washingtons
success, no doubt about it.  But after an MVP superbowl performance, some players
(i.e.  Rypien, Doug Williams, that running back (can't remember his name)) get the
idea that THEY are the reason the team played so well, and then they start being
*STARS* instead of parts-of-the-machine.  Rypien now has the same problem Williams
had (it is funny to hear an interview with Doug Williams; even now he believes he
can come into the NFL and QB a team to another superbowl win... what a joke!!!),
the same problem Jay Shroeder(sp?) has ("Look at the great games I've had" Jay
always says; those great games were under Gibbs gameplan!!!).  Yes, Rypien's only
chance to make it to the NEXT Redskin superbowl is to swallow his pride and realize
he is more lucky than good (lucky to be playing for Gibbs, that is).

Just my $0.02 worth...
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Teams of the Decade and 4 team divisions
Keywords: hmmm
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:00:29 GMT

sortland@soda.berkeley.edu (Stefan Sortland) writes:
>
>	So, the Steelers are the "Team of the 70's"
>	    the 49ers are the "Team of the 80's"
>
>	Common denomenator? Both played in 4 team divisions..

Yeah, big observation.  But until 1976, when Tampa and Seattle joined
the league, there were FOUR divisions with four teams and only two
with five.  

So in the first half of the seventies, the dominating teams were Miami
(coming from one of 2 five-team divisions) and Pittsburgh (from one of
4 four-team divisions).  What's the pattern, then?

>	Anyone think that playing in a 4 team division,
>	with fewer division rivals to worry about makes
>	for sizable advantage for a team???

Please explain.  I can't see any advantage.  And I can't see why, over
the last 12 years, it would be an advantage for the Niners, but not for
anyone else in the NFC West of AFC East.

>	I probably am not the first to notice this, but what
>	do people make of this?

Nothing.


--Gidi
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: JGH computer predictions
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:38:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

I noticed that the Broncos/Washington game was not on the printout 
that I made of my computer predictions for this weekend's games.  So 
in the interest of closure here are the predictions again with 
Monday's game included.

Falcons       at Dolphins       8
Eagles        at Chiefs         1
Cardinals     at Giants         5
Steelers      at Browns        -1
49ers         at Patriots      -8
Seahawks      at Cowboys       13
Bills         at Raiders       -5
Oilers        at Bengals       -3
Jets          at Colts          4
Rams          at Saints        10
Broncos       at Redskins       3

JGH
From: madkins@nerd.ease.arco.com (Mike Adkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Delpino
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:05:50 GMT
Reply-To: madkins@nerd.ease.arco.com (Mike Adkins)
Distribution: world
Organization: Atlantic Richfield Company (EASE group), Dallas , TX


Does anyone know how long Delpino is supposed to be out?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: terjef@dhhalden.no (TERJE FRAFJORD)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.151139.10336@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
>Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
>Date: 6 Oct 92 15:11:39 GMT
>In article <1992Oct6.040326.20855@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>>Up until tonight, I thought the 49ers were the team to beat in the NFC.
>>But after watching the Eagles devour the Cowboys tonight (and keeping
>>in mind the way they demolished the Broncos), it sure looks like the
>>Eagles are the now the premier team in the NFC. We may find out when
>>the 49ers and the Eagles meet later this season, and it looks possible
>>they will meet again in the NFC championship game. Right now, even though
>>I'm a 49ers fans, I'd say the Eagles have the inside track. But the
>>49ers are very close, and they certainly have what it takes to beat
>>the Eagles if they play a halfway decent game.
>>
>Geesh! You call yourself a Niner FAN! :-)  I saw the same game you
>did, I think, and although the score indicates a rout, it was more
>of a "failure to communicate", RE: the Cowpokes didn't know what was
>going on. They were caught with their pants down. Aikman was truly
>awful and his offense was equally up to task. Their defense was
>running around with one boot half on and hopping around like drunken 
>cowboys.  The defense for the Eagles turned the game around for
>them. If Cunningham has those kind of stats against the Niners, it
>will not be enough.  The Eagles will have to play their BEST game to
>beat the Niners in my opinion. Although I am not a 100% Young fan,
>he has now begun to settle down more, rather than run. When he does
>run though, it is usually for good yardage. In observing Cunningham
>last night, his first instinct is to "tuck" the damn ball in and
>run.  This type of QB is never going t win a SB, if it does, it will
>be the first. 
>>
>>Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
>>marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
>>=============================================================================
>
>
>-- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
>  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 OCT 92 11:03:22    

In article <1992Oct10.011847.23043@meaddata.com>, johnm@meaddata.com (John Manley) writes...

>In article <1992Oct6.180331.29645@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>
>>2.) Unless he started playing defense, Harbaugh didn't lose the game 
>>by himself.  I would assume he was not on the field when the Vikings 
>>scored their other 14 points.
> 
>If dickhead doesn't throw the ball and instead follows the play sent
>in from the sidelines who do you think wins the game? There was more to
>it then just an instant (freebie) 7 points...though that was bad enough...
>it's called MOMENTUM. I won't bring up the fact that he almost *threw e
>another INT* on the very next series...

Momentum, schmomentum.  If the Bears defense hadn't fallen apart they 
wouldn't have lost.

My point is that Harbaugh didn't lose the game by himself.  I never 
said it wasn't a bonehead play.

>>3.) How would you like it if *your* boss behaved like this?  I'd quit 
>>and go to his main competitor and work my butt off for them.
> 
>Oh, Boo hoo hoo....sniffle, sniffle....
>We're not talking software development...the man makes the big bucks
>as a Pro QB. He got the glory when he "won" the Detroit game, he should
>be able to take some ranting from his coach. If he's a pansy he doesn't
>belong on the field with Lawrence Taylor breathing down his neck.
>(Besides, I don't think the Niners are interested...)

I'd like to see you call Harbaugh a pansy to his face.

But once again you you missed my point.  The point is not whether 
or not Harbaugh can take the heat.  The point is that if he's got any 
kind of ego at all he's going to resent being treated like that and 
he's going to want out of Chicago.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Preview, Pats vs. 9ers
Organization: ^$
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:06:01 GMT

In article <1ave75INNh0a@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
>QB
>
>Millen - would be average QB with a better OL, but thats not the case
>         I've been watching Millen... and he stops looking at receivers
>	 and starts watching pass rushers. This is BAD. He is only 
>         successful on short passes, when given time.

  What's the story on Tommy Hodson? This is a QB who owns almost all of the 
 SEC passing records. Or does it even matter with the Pats' OL?
















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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: n
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:54:54 GMT
Organization: work
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


	Raiders 20, Buffalo 3. Woof. Woof.
From: nk0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brennan Kraje)
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Monday Night FB TIX SALE
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:20:22 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I have two (2) corporate box seats for the Pittsburgh Steelers vs.
Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football, October 19th @ 7 p.m.  I
know theses are corporate box seats because I have sat in these seats
during the Giants and Jets games, and most everyone around my date and I
were twice as old as us.
    The seats are in section 443, Row E, Seats 12 & 13 (see the front of
the yellow pages for the stadium's diagram).  These are beautiful seats
right on the 40 yard line behind the opposing team's bench.  They are
covered, but this does not affect the view @ all...they are great seats.
    Normally, football tickets are $25 each, but these are $30 each face
value.  I paid $90 for them.  I will entertain any offers between $60
and ?, and will post again to these bboards when the tickets are sold.
    The game may be far away, but I want to dump these tickets now to
buy hockey ones.  Respond to me @ nk0s.

                                                    - Brennan 
                                                      nk0s
  
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From: bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley)
Subject: Delpino on IR
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:23:15 GMT

The Rams placed Delpino on IR. I do not know what his injury is.

BMB
From: chf0@roger.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Don't give up on the Bills.
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:30:53 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1992Oct11.133323.4448@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>
>As for Andre Reed and Jerry Rice, I have no argument as to who has been better
>in the past but I was referring to now 

Rice is still better than Reed and probably always will be. 

> (the times are changing).

Yup. The Billies are now 4-2 after the deadly 2-4 Raiders humiliated
them this weekend. BB-gun Kelly looked positively .... rotten.
Missing Kent Hull allowed the raiders to get 5 sacks on him and a lot
of pressure. 

As for the fearsome Bill's defense - well, they've now faced 2 potent
offenses (Miami and SF) and given up 68 points in 2 games.  Good
going, boys!  Not to mention 20 points to the Raiders (who are looking
better every week).

>I SAY HE [Carwell Gardner ] HAS POTENTIAL!

So did Sammie Smith. 8-)

[Rest of Imran's pointless woofing deleted]

What goes around, comes around.  The Bills are starting to
self-destruct and if they don't pull their act together during the bye
week, they are in for a long, long season.

Curt
--
Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
			DOLFAN in New England.             
'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0
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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Dallas *ice!cream!notes*... How sweet it is!
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:09:22 GMT

In article <1bfqicINNbui@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>Howdy, Howdy, Howdy!
>
>
>THE UGLY
>
>GENERAL NOTES
>* Everett will start in the nickel package next week in the place of Bates.
>  The next target will be Horton's starting spot and he may take a lot of
>  time from Horton this week as it is.  He saw a lot of action vs. the
>  Hawks as did Kevin Smith.  Smith is almost ready and we will see him
>  starting one way or the other by the end of the season.
>
>

I have heard that Ken Norton will be starting instead of Bates in the 
nickel and dime packages.  Everett will be starting for Horton this
week.  It is an experiment by JJ.  He wants two strong safties in the
game to stop the run.  Hopefully Everett will take Horton's place on
a regular basis.  Nothing against Horton but if you can improve, do it.

Three other notes:

Woodson is in the dime package but you never hear his name.  Either he
is playing great and covering everything in his zone or is totally lost.
I assume he is playing well.  I look forward to Everett and Woodson
at the safety positions.

E. Smith's agent and Mr. Jones are talking contract.  Between 5 and 6 million
for 3 years.  Oh please sign him, Jerry, please.

Harpers disapperance.  I have been thinking about this and toss out this
suggestion.  On most pass patterns Irvin is the primary receiver.  On
plays where Mike is not open Aikman starts moving across the field.  When
doing this he usually finds Jay or Kmart cutting across the middle.  Aikman
rarely does not find someone not open at this time.  By this time  Harper
should have completed his primary route and started adjusting to help
the quarterback.  Maybe Harper is not adjusting well.   Also when Harper is
the primary receiver, Aikman will not throw the ball to him unless he
has seperated from the DB.  Aikman will throw it to Jay and Mike without
this seperation because he knows they will seperate before the ball
gets there.  (Whether Irvin does this legally is of no concern since
it is not called)  

Well I had to toss that out there.

Robert
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:39:48 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Oct7.195627.1792@advtech.uswest.com>,
yslas@riverauswest.com ( Rob Yslas) writes:
|>In article <21000@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram
Hariharan ) writes:
|>> After seeing yet another comeback by Elway against the Chiefs
|>> at Mile-High, I have a question.
|>> 
|>> Has Elway's Comeback victims ever included any strong NFC teams
|>> or is it that Elway has succeeded only againt the AFC in his
|>> comebacks. If he is indeed a great QB, then why has he not
|>> comeback against the NFC teams in the Super-Bowl.
|>> 
|>> I bet that Elway is just an average QB.
|>> 
|>> S.H
|>> 
|>
|>Fran Tarkenton lost four super bowls (Elway has lost 3), but nobody has
|>ever said that Tarkenton was just an average QB.
|>
|>-- 
|>yslas@advtech.uswest.com
|>Thanks
                    
	Joe Kapp was the starting QB for Minnesota in SBIV.

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Colts, ready to run wild!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:41:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct7.105419.10173@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00jcreidy@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
   <Colt bantering deleted>
>this team will flourish under Ted Marchibroda's leadership.  I'm predicting
>a 9-7, or better, season.  Bring on the flames!
   
   Actually, I too believe the Colts are underrated. They have a decent D
   and a tough QB in George. If they can get a couple skill players on O
   (namely a good, young RB), they could be 9-7 within a year. The AFC East
   isn't all that great, but 9-7 is way out of the picture. They do have an
   incredibly easy schedule, but I can't see more than 6 or 7 wins. 

   --salty