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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Side benefits of the lifting of the ban
Originator: hughes@dogwood
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:43:49 GMT



  
  Slumming on late night radio, I just heard a lesbian call in
  to Larry King about the lifting of the ban on gays and lesbians
  in the military.  She had an excellent point about how this
  public dialog has the potential to  lead to some improved 
  understanding between people in general.  Maybe it's obvious,
  or maybe it's overly optimistic, but here it is.

  Her suggestion was that straight men are (by and large) very
  much aware of how they as straight men treat women.  The basis
  of their concerns about gay men is that gay men will treat
  *them* like this, should the status of homosexuals be liberalized.

  It was her thought that as the public dialog continues, this
  notion is going to be explored in considerable depth.  The 
  value of what's going on here is not going to be limited to
  gays and lesbians.  Many straight men are going to have to face
  up to some facts about themselves and everyone is going
  to benefit.

  Well, I can't seem to express it as well as she did, and 
  I'm generalizing far too much about straight men, but 
  did feel remarkably good about the observation.

  Wayne
From: jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gays in Military: Powell's phone number
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:12:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1993Jan26.181216.16822
Distribution: soc
Organization: Free Software Foundation

In article <MJT.93Jan26101028@world.std.com> mjt@world.std.com (Mitch J Trachtenberg) writes:
>The New York Times today reported that the Pentagon had received
>about 20 calls against the ban on gays in the military, 600 for.
>
>The phone number for General Powell's office at the Pentagon
>is 703 697-9121, and the Pentagon switchboard is 703 545 6700.
>
>An argument that may be more persuasive than "you're a bigoted 
>jerk," is that the military's commander in chief, voted in by
>the nation's civilian population, should be allowed to make 
>policy without insubordination by his subordinates.
>
>Mitch Trachtenberg

I really don't understand General Powell's logic.  Isn't he using the 
same arguements against gays as was used against blacks?
He's about the last person I'd expect to do somwthing like that.

Just a passing thought!

Jeff
jmh@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:50:29 GMT
Subject: Re: G&L Military Ban -- Addresses/Phone Numbers
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: soc.motss

Yeah, thanks for posting all this information. I'm finding it very frustrating
to get through by phone, however. I've tried several of these numbers by
phone the last couple of days, and the only one I could reach was Colin
Powell's office. Do these offices close at 5 p.m. EST? Perhaps overnight
mail might be the best solution.
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From: keithd@stallion.oz.au (Keith Duddy)
Subject: Re: VAX - The incredible Facts!
Organization: Stallion Technologies
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:30:20 GMT

In <1993Jan23.134332.27229@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:

[Vax add deleted]

>VAX means fitted carpets that stay brigher, softer, deeper, longer!

>-----
>You should see the ad on my desk. A scream. Only in the U.K.

Not quite - here in OZ it was a great joke when someone found a
similar brochure and put it up in the honours lab when I was
doing Computer Science at Queensland Uni - especially seeing as
we'd all just suffered 3 years of undergrad with 4 microvaxes
for scores of students. (Mercifully they were fitted with the
optional UNIX attatchment for less noisy operation.)

K

---
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////                   keith duddy - slave to the rhythm                 \\\\
\\\  stallion technologies - 56 sylvan rd, toowong, qld 4066, australia   ///
//     ph              fx                 mail                 uunet       \\
\+61-7-870-4999  +61-7-371-8881  keithd@stallion.oz.au  uunet!staltec!keithd/

       ^^I write software for this company - not policy statements^^
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: finding each other at MOW... an idea
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:24:34 GMT

Okay, fine then. We'll all be Steven groupies and tote bass drums.
Sounds identifiable enough for me...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

	  If I wait for the rain to kiss me and undress me
		Will I look a fool - wet and a mess?
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! :-)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:56:03 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In <1jnc7dINNmu2@spim.mti.sgi.com>
  dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) says:
|I don't know about the rest of you, but I have found the aging process
|to be fun and entertaining.  At 26 (ooohh....) to be a different sort
|of fun from 21.  It is good to know that you slow down eventually...

Ageing process?  Sorry, you're still in the "disyouthening" process.

	/J  (OF)

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From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Initiatives Planned in Other States
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:02:08 GMT

buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>_NEWSWEEK_ magazine has reported that anti-gay ballot initiatives are being
>organised in 11 states, namely: 

>MICHIGAN
>IDAHO
>OHIO
>WASHINGTON
>MONTANA 
>MINNESOTA
>CALIFORNIA
>MAINE
>GEORGIA.

Um, that's nine Ron, counting Oregon it's 10.  What's the 11th?
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c++g+k++s-e++    | "I tried using UNIX once, 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)        |  but I felt as though 
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)     |  I was 'bothering' it."
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From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Potential fallout from lifting the US military ban (was Re: Into the streets!)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:37:12 GMT

In article <C1Ivx3.A59@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>
> >When it starts to be in your back yard or close to reality
> >people pull away.  I'll bet a lot of the CO:2 vote was a
> >swing vote from people who faced with virutal homosexuals 
> >have no problem, but with "real" homosexuals aren't too sure.
>
>
>Mara [who wonders if "virutal" homosexuals includes her]

Given your enjoyment of the fallout from Ry's use of "viola",
aren't you worried about what "virutal homosexuals" could
engender? 
'Sides, hon, like we established before you took your leave
of us (how could you? sob! and you think you can just waltz
back into our netlives with little more than a howdy-do??),
you *are* queer.  Straight, but the most bent straight 
possible.

-paul

-- 
Butch Smurf     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
It's a smurf thing; I don't understand.
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:04:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.motss

mscarce@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Scarce) writes
>O.K., here goes.........
>Vincent Clarke and Alison Moyet formed a synth-pop duo in the early 80's.  In 
>Europe they were first known as YAZZOO, and later, when they became more 
>popular, they called themselves just YAZ. They had two albums.
Almost.  I don't remember them changing their name in the UK.  I think they
changed the name for US sales because there was already a band there using
the name Yazzoo.

Andrew
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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:44:57 GMT

Tim Chain Porn
--------------

MACHO TRIP INN

I pinch matron -- iron camp hint.  O pinch Martin!  I crop thin man.
Chin on armpit, in prima notch, ramp into chin: cannot rip him.  I
chip torn man, cannot rip him.  Impact in horn, impart on chin, or
pitch man in?  Chirp into man, mirth con pain!

INCH-TIP MANOR

Trio pinch man, con him in trap.  No panic mirth.  Mini thorn-cap,
iron match-pin.  Cantor, pin him!  Crop him in tan!  Oh, can imprint,
print manic "oh"!  I corn-pant him, ramp into chin, rim notch-pain,
ram inch-point -- arc pint on him, rich pint -- moan -- harmonic pint!


-- Anonmus McName
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: what i did over xmas vacation, etc.\
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:12:18 GMT

ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>In article <C17rqt.5Hr@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>> So you sleep with men. So do I.
>well, man, singular, but who's counting...  B)

I am. So, are you going to talk or what? Give some dish, girl. :)

Who is this new person in your life, where did you meet him, and does
your daughter like him?

>yeah.  i may not be strictly homosexual, but i am CERTAINLY not
>straight.  i can't do straight society, except on my terms, whihc
>include the assumption in all my conversations that i am attracted to
>women, and there is nothign wrong with thios fact and if people don't
>like it, they can always not listen.  i tend to comment on movies,
>television, etc. and my straight audience be damned...  *grin*

>eek!  not much straight, just by definition mroe closeted *sigh*  hard
>to be out when you are walking hand in hand with a motos in public.
>people see the pairing and ignore the buttons...

Ok, so if I'm reading you right here, what you are saying is that you
have grown accustomed to being `out there on the forefront', spreading
a general touch of rebellion and mindfuck - `how dare..etc.' -, and now
you find that that is gone when you are with him and that you are not
automatically making a statement.

We are seeing `in your face'-withdrawal here.

Am I correct so far?
								FJ!!
From: ac999273@umbc.edu (ac999273)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:26:04 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: elang06.acslab.umbc.edu




	Well... Iread in the Washington Post that Clinton is very FIRM on
the gay issue. hehehehe.



Xref: sparky soc.motss:58236 soc.bi:18994
From: elc@cup.portal.com (Edward L Cole)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Starting Trouble
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:48:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I don't know if I *really* advocate violence but its great fuel
for fantasy. I relish the idea of gathering group of angry queers
together for an evening of random str8 bashing. I think the work 
of Queer Nation is a God-send. I adhere to this philosophy:
If you can't them, Hassle them!.
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From: libfgr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Frank G. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Clue phone for William J. Clinton
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:50:10 GMT

viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.000442.14043@bsu-ucs>, 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes...
>>A hint to Bill Clinton and the army-thingy...
>>Hello, William....
>>You run the army
>>the army does not run you..
>>Remember the army's reaction to desegregation of the army
>>Remember the fuss?
>>How hard is it to find a white guy and a black guy chatting in the barracks?
>>Not too hard...
>>Hmmmm....
>>Clue phone for the President...
>>Line 2.
>>brandon

>	Do you have lines for all 535 members of Congress too?  Give Bill
>a break and call your Congresspeople!

>					Mike
  
Better yet, keep the the heat on Bill AND share a little of it with your
congresspeople.  BTW, love the clue.... 

-f

-- 
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 Frank Rogers (INTERNET: libfgr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu) 
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From: nickn@eskimo.com (Nick Nussbaum)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:06:39 GMT


Will Johnston writes:
On the other hand, it appears that there is some scientific
evidence of transmission via oral sex with ejaculation. We
can currently count perhaps under 100 of these cases. Do we
then conclude that the risk of HIV-transmission from oral
sex is "vanishingly small"? How small is small enough?
----
and if I'm not mistaken, about 25 of those cases come
from one study which stands out like a sore thumb.
... For comparison purposes in discussing this with the
"no risk is acceptable" crowd, is there any estimate
of number of cases of infection due to condom breakage
during anal sex? Certainly there's enough people who've
had a condom fail...
-- 
Nick Nussbaum		nickn@eskimo.com	PO 4738 Seattle,WA 98104
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Foreplay
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:22:06 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C1H82t.ECK@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike
Reaser) wrote:

> How about the variation I've heard all my life?
> 
>    What's West Virginia foreplay? - Brace yo'self, honey.

Just goes to show that there are too damn many sensitive geeks
in California.  Need to import us some of them West Virginians.

*X*
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58494 alt.sex.motss:2278
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: "No Wavering on Gay Soldiers"
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 14:28:39 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.151129.5392@dvorak.amd.com>
tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D.  Barrett) writes:

>Our elected officals represent US,
>not their personal views.  Yes, we elect them based on their
>platforms, but that does not mean that they have the right
>to vote against the will of the people.

In all due respect: baloney.  You need some basic civics.
This is a republic, not a tyranny of the majority.  The will
of the people often needs to be tempered by some
intelligence and common sense, not to mention some concern
for minority interests.  If you want to complain about the
generally poor performance of most elected officials, I'll
be happy to join you, but the basic idea is *not* that
popular desires are the only values to be acted upon.

>Clinton, as well as Bush, is welcome to publically come out
>in favor of one program or another, but it is ethically
>wrong for them to force their ideology on the rest of the
>nation if the rest of the nation wants something else.  That
>is the main thing that is wrong with politics now.

The majority want you not to have quite a number of ordinary
rights.  The "rest of the nation" should not be able to
legislate us into second-class citizenship.

>We have a bunch of old queens sitting on seats of power and
>dispensing their tired old beliefs.

Which old queens are you talking about, exactly?

>It is the PEOPLE that they represent who should have the
>voice...  especially in major policy decisions.

Not denying that we have here several paradoxes, the will of
the people is sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing.
What one wants is a government that does the right thing.

<> Mastery in warfare consists of winning without fighting.
<> -- Sun Tzu
-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: smoir@world.std.com (Scott A Moir)
Subject: Gay Ban to be lifted in 6 months
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:15:40 GMT


Just on National Public Radio:

President Clinton will lift the ban on gays in the military in 6 months,
allowing time for Congress to hold hearings on the matter.

He also issued orders stopping any discharge proceedings for gays in the
military now, and stopped any further investigations as to a member of the
militarys sexual orientation.


I'm sure there will be more news, but I'm not exactly thrilled.

Scott

-- 
Scott Moir  /  Satyr on IRC    ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
smoir@world.std.com            \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+!) s+ m r p+    \/\/  # "What's that?"
Also: pentangl@ursa-major.spdcc.com   # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbsl
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Cold Coffee (was Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan20.124508.15752@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1993Jan21.092124.17926@reed.edu> <1993Jan21.155524.26411@osf.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:24:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.155524.26411@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org
(Robert Coren) writes: 

   > In article <1993Jan21.040523.14392@macc.wisc.edu>
     anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: 
   > >Cold coffee is an abomination in any season, day or night.  See,
   > >wasn't that simple?

   Coffee that was supposed to be hot, but was cooled to room
   temperature, in indeed entirely undrinkable.

To my knowledge there is one other person on this Earth besides myself
who actually likes getting to the lab and finding a half-full pot of
cold coffee from the day before.  With a healthy (or is that
unhealthy?) dose of cream and sugar, it's not only quite palatable,
it's downright enjoyable.  (Actually, it's not bad black.)

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
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From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:28:41 GMT

I'm not real thrilled with the doctor, or the sci officer, or the captain
(though he is nicely distinct from Kirk and Picard).  Maybe they'll all get 
blown up.  Odo and the Bjoran lieutenant start arguing over who's in charge,
when Keiko comes in dressed in body armor, screaming "Fuck being a schoolmarm,
I'M taking over this station."  O'Brien gets trotted out every few episodes
to give the new commander some depth, the Klingon women return to have an
affair with the Bjoran, and a new race of Bearpeople provide a couple to
serve as sci off and doctor.  They adopt a baby-dyke Cardassian and a blonde
human boy nicknamed Twinkie who keeps running off with random Klingons and 
Cardassians (But, dads, he has such nice BUMPS!).

Joe
(let the ferengi be the only straight folk...)
From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Need up-to-date Info on Sodomy Laws
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:01:39 GMT
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
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Ron Buckmire (buckmr@vccsouth07.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: >My information here is from "The Rights of Gay People" published in 1983
: The "Rights of gay People" has beem updated and there is a 91 version. [If 
: you are talking about the ACLU Handbook].
Yes, that was the ACLU handbook.  I didn't realize there was a new version.
Thanks for the info.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
From: TBECKMAN@cup.portal.com (Tom J Beckman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: AIDS Immuno-Enhancement Study
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:36:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

         The AIDS Research Immuno-Enhancement Study #2
           Session One: February 26 - March 1, 1993
                Session Two: May 28 - 31, 1993
              Session Three: August 27 - 30, 1993

The Institute of HeartMath is a non-profit educational and 
research organization located in Boulder Creek, CA. HeartMath 
is a process of self-empowerment, mental and emotional self-
management, that has been researched, proven out and 
practiced for more than a decade and is taught in seminar 
format. This study will research the effectiveness of the 
HeartMath system in enhancing immune system function and 
improving the quality of life. Participants will receive 
techniques for self-maintenance of a healthier immune system. 
Guidance will be provided for physical, emotional, mental, 
and spiritual self-healing and well-being. The Institute has 
several projects under way to research the beneficial effects 
that self-generated feelings of love, care and appreciation 
have on the immune system. Your participation will help you 
to:

* Integrate your heart with your mind and emotions to produce
  more balanced and efficient actions and reactions
* Access intuitive intelligence with reliability, not just in
  flashes
* Learn how to listen to and follow your heart
* Empower your system on physical, mental, emotional and
  spiritual levels
* Achieve coherence of your cardio-electricities, resulting
  in inner peace and harmony on all levels

HeartMath researchers have been able to measure, record and 
correlate the human electrical system to different mental and 
emotional states. The research has shown that when 
individuals self-manage their mental and emotional energies, 
it beneficially affects their heart and brain electricities 
which in turn affects hormonal secretions and their 
perceptions of life. The Institute is also involved with the 
development of tonal patterns that appear to harmonically 
link with the DNA to enhance T-cell strength in people with 
AIDS and other immune disorders.

The work of the Institute and its founder, Doc Lew Childre, 
was described in a half-page article in 1/6/93 issue of USA 
Today.

If you would like to participate in Study #2, please call the 
Institute to obtain an application which is due by February 
17, 1993. For more information, call Wendy Rickert or 
Euphrasia Carroll at (408)-338-8700. (Participants must make 
a commitment to attend all three sessions.) 
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