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From: mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:03:16 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
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rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:

: How would you like it if every car that
: passed you on the road honked its horn as it passed you. This action indicates
: that the passing vehicle thinks you were not aware of or anticipating the
: the action of passing. Any vehicle or person on a roadway or bicycle path
: should always be aware of other vehicles, that is part of the responsibility
: of being on the roadway. If pedestrians on bike paths are not capable of
: being aware of their situation, or at least anticipating it, they are a hazard.

	The difference here is that cars have rear view mirrors that drivers are
	taught to use. They are also more highly motivated to use them by the
	extreme cost of insurance and bodily damage if they get into an accident.
	
	Pedestrians, however, are not taught to walk and watch behind them for overtaking
	traffic. It may be the right thing to do, but they still don't. Spend a
	day at Disneyland sometime to observe just how many people don't walk
	safely or watch where they're going, let alone behind them.
: 
: Why all the signs on bicycle paths and shared sidewalks, to notify the 
: pedestrians that they should be aware of bicycles sharing this non-roadway
: surface.

	Where did you get the idea that anyone bothers to READ these signs?
: 
: Honking and bells should be reserved for ``unusual situations'' otherwise they
: just become to common and end up being ignored.

	As others in the thread of said, I also say "PASSING ON YOUR LEFT". THis works
	most of the time, except with young kids, who always panic. Another 10% of
	adults usually leap to the left side of the path. I still think it's worth
	it. I don't care if it annoys the person I'm overtaking. If they did
	happen to jump in front, and I hit them, who do think would win the law
	suit (this is suit happy America, afterall). This way, I've given them
	warning, and protected myself.

MMF
From: kermisch@bbn.com (Ron Kermisch)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cape Cod Riding
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:54:29 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

rgordon@convex.COM (Rob Gordon) writes:

>Does anyone have any thoughts about Cape Code riding? Is there
>anywhere to get in a long (safe) ride? Does riding to Provincetown
>on Rt 6 make sense given wind and blowing sand possibilities?

>Any input would be appreciated.

>Thanks in advance.
>Rob

Depending on where you are starting on the Cape, riding on Route 6 does not
make sense as bicycles are prohibited from that road until you reach the rotary
in Orleans (I think)
One ride that I have taken is from the Sagamore Bridge to Provincetown along 
route 6A.  The trip is about 60 miles long (one way).  Route 6A 
is less busy than Route 6 but also goes through more populated areas.
There are also signs all along the Cape for a Bike Route.  I have never
investigated it but it might be worth looking in to.

--Ron
From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cannondale Tourers
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:13:40 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


List price for a Cannondale ST600 is something like $715 US.  Keep in mind that
Cannondale does not make a lot of these, since it is a niche market, and the
ones manufactured tend to sell out quickly.  However, you may find a dealer
that is stuck with one, and since the market is so small, may be willing to
compromise on price.  (True for the ST1000 also- same frame as ST600, more
doo-dads & upgraded components).
	
	Dave
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lalaw@s1.gov (Leroy Alaway)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Originator: lalaw@nerthus.s1.gov
Keywords: Mountain Bike, Touring 
Reply-To: pcc@s1.gov
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Lab
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:47:45 GMT





MTB bike touring: Last summer I toured in Europe for three weeks with
my
old Mountain Bike.  No problems.  I have a Mountain Goat from 1981
which
has long chain stays and a 23 inch frame.  Bottom bracket about 10.5
inches high.  The bike is equiped with 26 inch Bontragger rims, 181 mm
Cook cranks, Phil wood hubs and BB, Shimano everything else.  I used a
rear Blackburn rack and a low rider Blackburn rack with Overland
Panniers (the best you can get!).  In Europe I used my off-road tires.

Tricks and Lessons I learned:

1. Low rider rack and panniers - are a necessity - can ride no handed,
fantasic stabilty on down hills and no need to stand on up hills. But
if
you switch over to fatboy tires the ground clearance is gone especially
in turns.

2. Turn bars so they angle up and get bar-ends.  Big thing to remember
is that you are not going anywhere fast so why rush it.  If the hands
go
numb stop.  The locals want to talk.

3. In some countries, Scotland for one, there are no "no trespassing"
laws.  Off-road tires will allow you to go in to some neat places.

4. Gearing. I have a 13-30 freewheel and a 28-42-52 chainring set.  The
52/13 combination is great for downhill and the 28/30 combo was needed
for some hills.  Note that it is easier to go up hill on a mountain
bike
if you can keep the front wheel down. The lowrider panniers do the job
just fine.  I never had to push, with 70 lbs of gear, and 7%+ grades in
some cases.

5.  Get fenders.

Currently, I'm planning on riding around the world on same bike.  So I 
have added braze ons for the front rack, added another front rack,
added
the fenders and am playing around with different bar-end combinations. 
Lighting is also a big concern.  But touring with a Mountain bike is
not.  Also need to upgrade the spokes.  Yeah, I know I took a $3000
Mountain Racing Bike and made it into a touring bike.  But I can't
image
doing it any different.

Looking for people who may want to ride around the world.  I also do a
tour on same bike about once every two months.  So if you live near
Livermore CA. and want to join me let me know.   

                                              - LeRoy -
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dai@kevlar.rtp.dg.com (Dave Iwatsuki)
Subject: How do I mount a computer on fat fork MTB? 
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:02:59 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: MTB, ATB, computer, fork 

Having gotten a good price on a Cateye ATC cyclocomputer, I now find I can't
mount the sensor on my front fork: it's a Trek DS2 shock, and just too fat.
Has anyone done this successfully? (I tried a Cateye reflector seatpost clamp, but
that was still too small, though it would work on a tapered shock fork; also,
getting the sensor close to the wheel magnet and at the correct angle may still
be a problem.)

Or is there a different brand of computer that would work? The ads for ACT
claim their's fits all oversize forks. I've seen Avocets on MTBs, but the flat
part of the DS2 dropout may be a tight fit for the sensor.

Rear mounting is an option, but I hate to modify the wiring and run it all the
way to the back wheel (the Cateye Micro on my road pack is like that, and the
wire is always sagging).

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (functionality)
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:05:04 GMT



|In article <davecb.712238768@yorku.ca> davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown) writes:
|  Safety helmets do **far** less than you think.  The first Snell Memorial
|Standards (car and motorcycle) helmets were barely capable of prventing
|skill fracture from a fall from standing position. Indeed, that was the
|standard itself at the time: if it wouldn't prevent skull fracture, it
|failed.
|  The materials have improved since: now they tend to prevent serious
|concussion in a fall from a standing position.

bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
|Is this *your* opinion or could you quote some statistics from
|a reliable source?

  No, it's a quote from memory from the CMA (Canadian Motorcycling Association,
the race-sanctioning association I belonged to) magazine and Cycle World.
  No statistics are involved, just tests on cadavers: I don't understand
the reference to statistics...

--dave
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@Nexus.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | Stupidity is evil waiting to happen.
CANADA. 416-223-8968  |               -- Clay Bond
From: jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley)
Organization: ICL Computers Limited, EDS Project

In article <1992Jul22.053239.3547@pony.Ingres.COM> jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black) writes:
>13	Col du Mont Cenis	1	 10.5	    ***

I have 2083m from UK's Cycling Weekly

It did however have an early climb Bruine Put (Stage 6) as being a 4 rather
than a 3 so it too is not perfect.
--
        John M Kewley
 
ICL Computers Limited, Wenlock Way, West Gorton, Manchester. M12 5DR
Tel: (+44) 61 223 1301 X2138  Email: jk@fiveg.icl.co.uk or jk@cs.man.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mswanson@oracle.com (Murray Swanson)
Subject: Re: Results of Grundig World Cup at Mammoth?
Organization: Oracle Corp., Belmont CA
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:53:01 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.



>Posted for:
>From:     Rodney James  <AP1PYR:rodney@oce.orst.edu>

>I can't post to the net, but I was at Mammoth and here's what happened:

Pro Women:

1. J. Futado
2. S. DeMattei
3. R. Mathes

Can't remember the rest of the order, but Sara Ballentine was in the bottom 
 10,Oh yeah, Laurie Brandt was 4th, Tammie Jacques was 5th, Jill Smith (Canada),
who I actually know, was 6th and Eve Stephenson of Road Racing fame was 7th
or 8th I think in her first (or second or third) MTB race.

Pro Men:

1. Ned Overend
2. John Tomac
3. Rishi Grewal
4. Greg Oravetz (Road guy for Coors Light and general animal!)
5. Dave Wiens

Daryl Price did not have fun and finished back a ways.  Not too many Europeans
were there, guess they had better things to do than fly over for one race.
I expect they were saving the jet lag energy for the 3 races in CO next
month.  About the men's race, a real good one!  Tomac just got plain beat,
Overend is really going well now and Grewal seems to be coming back to form
finally after suffering from a nasty virus he picked up in Europe this Spring.


	Anyone know if Tim Gould was there?
	What about the Hillclimb and Kimakaze Downhill Events?
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:39:17 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers

ESPN played a segment on the bike mechanics in the TDF. One scene showed
something being applied to a chain with a brush. Anybody know what that was?

Later,

Gary

-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: billw@ace.mentorg.com (Bill Wright)
Subject: $400 Mountain Bike Suggestions
Originator: billw@ace
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: billw@sjc.mentorg.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


Hi,

I am looking for a nice mountain bike to be used for riding around
campgrounds, maybe light touring, some mountain bike trails (like the
Slick Rock trail), etc.  I would like suggestions for bikes in the
$400-$500 range.  I looked at a brand called GIANT and it seemed
pretty good, but I have never heard of them before.  Any suggestions,
hints, comments, bikes to stay away from, bikes you love, etc. would
be greatly appreciated.

Email: bill_wright@mentorg.com

Thanks,
Bill
-- 
             Bill Wright / bill_wright@mentorg.com

                  "When in doubt, run it out!"
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike nashbar and the Avia Sport shoes Pamela recommended
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:27:30 GMT
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

Well, I recommend the shoes, but I'm getting really fed up with
Bike Nashbar. I tried to order a pair of these for Steve, along 
with quite a few other things. 

I was told that I'd have to backorder the shoes, which was fine. 
One other item I requested would be backordered, but everything else 
was in stock, mostly chainrings.

We really wanted the chainrings for the weekend, so I asked for
overnight delivery. Friday afternoon, a package arrives with one
chainring, but the order slip has 5 items circled implying that 
there are 5 items in the box.

I called customer service and after lots of run-around asking if I'm
sure they aren't there and that there might be another box, they 
investigate and find that they sent the rest of the items to me
on Friday morning second day air. (They arrived the following Monday.)

They said mistakes happen and they would cheerfully refund the <$3
extra overnight charges, since I didn't get the items overnight, but
that was all they could do.

Yea, I was steamed. I finally convinced them to refund all the
shipping charges, but did accept the rest of the order.

Anyway, this morning I called in to cancel the OTHER backordered 
item, since I found one locally, and discovered that someone had 
cancelled my shoes.

After lots of discussion and them repeatedly asking me if I was 
sure I hadn't cancelled my shoes or let someone else cancel my 
shoes they discovered that they had canceled them for me since 
they can't get them themselves. "Sorry M'am, there is nothing 
we can do..." I asked them if they had planned to let me know
that I would never receive the shoes ...

So good luck to anyone who tries to get these shoes or anything
else from Bike Nashbar in a timely manner. 

If I absolutely, positively have to have it overnight, I will NOT
order from Nashbar. I've also had similar experiences with
Performance. I believe these folks are getting a little too careless
with customer trust!


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:11:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

What? Are you kidding? Who gives a damn if a bicyclist is
injurred, maimed or killed except, possibly, another bicyclist?

The entire motorvehicle code is designed to collect money
not to encourage safe driving. People going too slow are totally
ignored (or very nearly) by the law and those speeding even in
totally safe circumstances are ticketed and heavily fined.

So the drivers stuck behind some piddler grow more and more
outraged until theyfloorboard it and pull around only to find
some bicyclist minding his own business is now in the line of
fire.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the driver of the hit and run
vehicle won't get the full penalty possible.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:54:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Let us assume that Dede had dropped back to pace Inga back up to
the peloton. Then something happened to Inga's bike and she
had to wait for a new bike. 

What could be happening without another American up there? When
you have two people from a country team tactics don't work very well.

If you're damned lucky you and your teammate can use each other, but
in most cases it's almost like a solitary race.
From: chuang@micro (Michael Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Black Tag Water Bottles
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:36:44 GMT

In article <9207272323.AA08064@micro> chuang@micro (Michael Chuang) writes:
>aborted Pizza Hut advertising campaign.  The bottles I bought have black
>tape pasted over purple lettering saying "Copyright Pizza Hut 1990"

Ed Ravin correctly points out:
# However, the bottles said "Taco Bell" rather than Pizza Hut.

Right.  They did say Taco Bell.  Sorry.  I guess I have trouble keeping
my salt-and-grease sources straight.  Poor Specialized.  I heard that
they recalled the bottles after some Taco Bell customer let his baby
teeth on one.  The child managed to extract the nipple from the bottle,
and the bottles were recalled for fear of choking-death lawsuits.

Mike "I think a stale bean burrito is better for teething" Chuang
chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu
From: paulde@riverwhy.Corp.Sun.COM (paulde@riverwhy.corp.com)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:53:08 GMT
Reply-To: paulde@riverwhy.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: riverwhy.corp.sun.com

In article AA04000@hplomg.hpl.hp.com, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM () writes:
>From: Article by Howard Libit, "Peninsula Times Tribune" 23 June 92.

	.....lots of details omitted....

>On the way back, Wray had car trouble and pulled over to the side of
>the road, allegedly removing a piece of clothing with flesh from the
>front of the car.  Wray allegedly said, "There is Spandex and meat
>on my car." Giovando testified.
>
> If convicted, Wray could face up to four years in prison, Serrato said.
>

THAT'S IT???? Only four years?  They should go for attempted murder - this kid showed
complete disregard for someone else's LIFE.  The judge should show complete
disregard for his.  Hopefully, if the judge doesn't fuck him some of his new "friends"
in jail will.

Indignantly,

PD

-------------------------------------------- 
Paul DeBacker       |"How come we play war and not peace?"-Hobbes
Sun Microsystems |"Too few role models" - Calvin
From: rgo@druhi.ATT.COM (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Great deals on mountain bike handlebars
Keywords: one-piece bar with integrated bar end
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:15:13 GMT
Distribution: rec

Mountain bikers looking for one-piece handlebars
with integrated bar ends should check out the following:

1.  The Scott AT2-LF bar with ski-tip bar end
    is the lightweight champ, weighing in at 195 grams
    in the 23" width.  The 21.5" width weighs a mere 180 grams,
    less than some bar ends.  The AT2-LF is also available in a 20" width.
    Airborn MTB (406-728-6252) has the 21.5" width for only $49.95;
    they're $74.95 at Nashbar and $69.50 at Colorado Cyclist. 

2.  The Flite Controls Longhorn bar with L-bend bar end weighs
    265 grams, is 22" wide, and comes in 5 anodized colors.
    California Bicycle Supply (800-999-4745 or 415-349-9439)
    has a number of these with minor cosmetic defects
    (pitted finish) which they're selling
    for $44.95 instead of the usual $54.95.

Both bars are quite strong with no noticeable flex. 
A review in the March '92 issue of Mountain Bike magazine
states that the 7000-series aluminum AT2-LF and Longhorn
provides a more resilient, shock-eating feeling than 6000-series alloy bars.
The gradual curve between the bar and bar end
also provides more hand positions than a bar with
a separate bar end.

These bars are great values, costing not much
more than bar ends alone, yet weighing much less than
other bar and separate bar end combinations.

I recently put the AT2-LF on my mountain bike and the Longhorn on
my girlfriend's mountain bike.  
We haven't done much riding with these bars yet,
but they look like real winners.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com

P.S. I have no connection with Airborn MTB or California
Bicycle Supply except as a satisfied customer.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman)
Subject: weight body:cycle - 1:1? (was Re: bike diet)
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:25:27 GMT

Earlier postings spoke of numerous expensive ways to get bike weight
down, and the much cheaper way by losing body weight.

Is one pound less body weight really equivalent to losing one pound
bike weight?

If any muscle comes with the body weight, I would think the two are
not the same.  Also, doesn't a person adapts to body weight over time,
as opposed to something you must suddenly haul around (a heavy mtb)?

	--Charlie Hileman			ARPA:  chaz@vicorp.com
	  V. I. Corporation			UUCP:  uunet!vicorp!chaz
	  Northampton, Massachusetts
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18637 can.general:3483 ont.general:1218 soc.culture.canada:5295 ott.general:520
From: colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:03:30 GMT
Reply-To: colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <GREG.92Jul27111509@regulus.sce.carleton.ca>, greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks) writes:
|> Unfortuntely, "Bike Paths" here in Ottawa are "Multi-purpose
|> recreational pathways" (or some other beurau-speak), so one finds
|> walkers, dogs, joggers, roller bladers, and (surprising cyclists) all
|> sharing the same patch of pavement.  Needless to say, a cyclist going
|> 40 km/h (25mph) will create quite a mess when he or she hits a
|> pedestrian going 5 km/h.
|> 
I use the "Bike Paths" regularly for both walking and cycling, and I really 
wish the paths were for bikes only.  When I'm biking, it's usually to get 
from point A to point B, and when I'm walking, it's generally for 
recreation/moderate exercise.  With this in mind, I always try to walk 
*to one side* of the bike path so that cyclists do not have to slow down
for me.  There is really no reason why those who are walking cannot use the
grass next to the path, provided it isn't muddy or something like that. 
Many of the west-end bike paths have lots of nice areas next to the path
where you can walk.  In Brittania, I'm always surprised to find people
walking on the (hard) paths when they could walk on nice soft grass in 
the park and enjoy better scenery at the same time.  Go figure.

-- 
===================================================================
Colette George 			
Bell-Northern Research Ltd. 	Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Internet:  colette@bnr.ca 
===================================================================
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Jul21.171845.13357@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> raymond@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Eric A. Raymond) writes:
>Any comments on headset adjustment?  Perhaps its just me, but feeling
>looseness in a headset is more subtle than on the hubs or bottom
>bracket (binding on the other hand is nor problem).  How do you know
>when it is "just right"?

Stand beside your bike, both hands on the handlebars.  Apply the front
brake as firmly as possible, and push sharply forward.  If there is any
slack in your headset, you will feel it.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
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