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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:16:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.015842.9671@leland.Stanford.EDU> marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.235108.4996@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>>>pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes (to Eric P.):
>>>>
>>>>I don't think that you understand how what you say come across.  Your tipoff
>>>>could be that no one has rushed to your aid :*).
>
>>	He's doing an OK job on his own and probably knows more about
>>	the topic than most.  Besides, popularity doesn't make "right,"
>>	does it.
>
>But it makes one suspicious why so few people share his opinions.
>

Look at the area- Most liberal in the country.

>>>>My intent was to address the silliness of your "Love it or leave it"
>>>>remark.  No doubt it was a purely emotional response.  I know you're
>>>>not capable of personal attack.  Except when speaking of Japanese
>>>>people.  But its OK ... unpopular views and insensitive racially
>>>>oriented remarks are not a crime here. 
>>  ^^^^^^^  try "Asian"  :^)
>
>??? And what please should "insensitive racially Asian remarks mean" ???
>Is an "Asian remark" a remark made by an Asian? How do you know that
>Eric is Asian? Or what is your definition of an "Asian remark" (and
>why do you write it with a capital "A")?
>

WARNING!! INSULT COMING: Are you too stupid to get the joke???
 
>>	Oh, you don't like something the Japanese do so you must
>>	be racist....  So if I can't stand Jesse Jackson I'm
>>	racist too.  How nice for you to put everyone in your
>>	little categorical boxes so you don't have to think any more: 
>>	"I don't want to listen to him, he's a racist."
>
>Well, all the remarks he made so far really are insensitive and are
>racially oriented (or "racially Asian", whatever that's supposed to
>mean). For example, he refers to Japanese as "Japs", which is
>certainly not very polite.
>

Come off your soap-box.  I don't beleive my remarks are insensitive,
and they ARE NOT racially oriented. They ARE politically oriented
towards a nation that I beleive is politically WRONG. Get it? 
Need further explanation? 

I'm sorry you don't like my abbreviations. 


Newsgroups: ba.general
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Subject: Stupid Eric Peroziello (was Re: stupid consumers)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:04:12 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Oct12.190109.21793@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct10.063007.23176@odin.corp.sgi.com> pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
> >|> >
> >|> 	The difference is the TWELVE YEARS the creep (Clinton) carried
> >|> 	on the affair.  Now maybe his wife knew and chose to stay
> >|> 	anyway for whatever purpose, but he still led a double
> >|> 	life all those years representing himself as Mr. Wonderful,
> >|> 	the Governor.
> >
> >I think its a shame that people like you will believe every story that
> >the National Enquirer breaks.
> 
> Actually, Clinton admitted to this.  I agree, I don't beleive the 
> press, but when he admitts to it........ like it's ok.......

Fascinating.  Especially since you seem to be the only one in the entire
country who is aware of this.

So, Eric, exactly where and when did Mr. Clinton admit that he had been
having an affair for twelve years?  Was it in a waiting room somewhere
eight months ago?  Was Robin there as well?  Please don't suggest that I
look it up in the card catalog.

Please provide some substantiation for this completely remarkable assertion
or be enough of an adult to retract it and admit that you don't know what
you're talking about.

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Natural sponge source?
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:20:41 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Oct15.221429.14152@unet.net.com> linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
>Several years ago my father returned from Greece with a few
>car washing size natural sponges.  His last one has finally
>bit the bullet and he is asking for a new one for Christmas.
>
We got ours at the Menlo Park (or is it Redwood City?) Price Club on
Middlefield Road at Woodside Road.  They seem to be one of those items
that is carried occasionally, and not consistently.  If you have a
Price Club membership, I would suggest checking the automotive section
from time to time.  If you don't have access to Price Club, and want
me to get them for you the next time I see them, just send me some email.

The best part is that the sponges were approximately $8, and of equal
quality to the small ones that can be obtained at Crabtree and Evelyn
for $12 to $22, yet were about 4 times the size!  We're talking serious
car-washing size here.  Yet they are such good quality that we cut them
up and use them for bath sponges....
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:36:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.231332.20642@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
>
>The trouble is, it's generally accepted that if a person makes an assertion,
>it's that person who has to back it up with hard data.  Why should those of
>differing opinions be forced to prove the opposite just because someone
>happened to make an assertion?
>
>That you happened to see the same article tends to substaniate Eric's
>position but it still isn't sufficient.  Both of you may have misread
>the meaning of the data - i.e., it may not be saying what you claim


	You're not addressing the point of my posting, which is the
	immature behavior of certain people on this net.  Do you feel 
	it's OK to call people liars, as Lefty and Henry did?  To 
	threaten to come over and shoot them as Eric Brunner did?  
	Probably not.  

	As I understand it, the airline safety subject came up as a 
	side note, not as a topic unto itself.  Would you like to
	formalize a rule, beginning right now, that NOTHING you say,
	zip, zero, zilch, is allowed unless you have at your disposal
	a traceable, documented, numbered, ID'd publicaton?  And if
	you slip and refer to anything, you're called a liar?

	If people had said, "Look, I'd like to see that report myself
	and see how the stats differ with what I was told by a
	different source, because I think you might have missed
	something," that's fine.  All you can say is, "Sorry, I
	don't have it, it's just what I read in a magazine" and
	go from there.  End of subject.  Believe what I said or
	not, it's up to you to decide if it makes sense.  If the 
	other person is so interested/upset about your statement 
	then perhaps they should go research the subject on their own.

	But if someone steps out of line and accuses you of making
	up stories just because they don't agree with you, well, 
	THEY'RE the one with the problem and IMHO stay the hell off 
	the net and quit ruining it for the rest of us.

	I'm sorry Eric P didn't steal that article from whereever 
	he was reading it, and if I'd known this was going to 
	turn into a circus I would have saved the damn thing too.

	Robin
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: deanna@acro.cadence (Deanna McCusker)
Subject: Starship Concert / Environmental Faire
Organization: /mnt4/deanna/.organization
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:16:26 GMT

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From: pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:30:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


 king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
|> pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
|> >
|> >- Approximately 50% of married people have admitted extra-marital
|> >  affairs.  While this doesn't morally justify it, it should tell
|> 
|> 	The difference is the TWELVE YEARS the creep (Clinton) carried
|> 	on the affair.  Now maybe his wife knew and chose to stay
|> 	anyway for whatever purpose, but he still led a double
|> 	life all those years representing himself as Mr. Wonderful,
|> 	the Governor.

I think its a shame that people like you will believe every story that
the National Enquirer breaks.

As for "Mr. Wonderful,the Governor".  I just can't say that I think
of Pete Wilson as  "Mr. Wonderful,the Governor".  This doesn't make me 
angry though.  What does make me angry is that Pete Wilson cut the
public school budgets enough to necessitate a 40+% fee hike in the 
CSU.  Enough to force faculty layoffs and curriculum reductions.
Enough to vaporize entire academic programs.  And he betrayed a 
promise to the women, minorities, and homosexuals of the state by 
not signing anti-discrimination laws (after promising to do so).  
But at least he kept his fly zipped (as far as we know).

Thank goodness our state officials are held to such a high moral
standard sexually speaking.  But its too bad that family values
don't always leave room for a complete and consistent ethical
code.

|> 
|> >- I think Barbara Bush is a very nice woman and it was nice of
|> >  George to have her picture put on the one dollar bill.
|> 
|> 	RETRO ALERT!  I thought this kind of shitty attitude toward 
|> 	women went out in the seventies.  Yet here again is the same
|> 	old fucked up deal:  A Woman's Value Is Based On Her Looks.

Now this is silly.  I point out a resemblence between Barbara Bush
and George Washington, and you scream sexism.  

But Eric said it was funny ... didn't you Eric?
"Now this is funny" he said.  I'm sure of it.  I even giggled
myself as I pictured him unable to hold back a smile after 
reading that little joke.

In article <1992Oct8.192911.29384@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>Now that's funny.

See?  He said so right there.  I even left in the attribution so you
could have every detail of my source :*).

And besides ... I think that as much as Ms. Bush reminds me of 
George Washington, Mr. Bush reminds me of George McFly from
"Back to the Future".

At least as much.

And Robin ... since you and Eric obviously don't agree on everything,
why don't you show us some personality of your own?  Sheesh ...
its as if you're trying to get him to hire you.

aside : who ever said that people from Stanford weren't any fun?  Hmmm ...
        maybe they're just some exchange students who are really here
        to dodge the Bosnian draft.

-- 
Paul C. David 
Applications Consulting, Silicon Graphics Inc. 
pcd@esd.sgi.com 415 / 390-2144
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.legal
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:26:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.202916.29848@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>When I was a child, My parents forbid me to leave the property.
>Once I was a little older (prob 13 yrs) I could wander the neighbor-
>hood, but only areas THEY were familiar with. If I went outside 
>of this, I was punished by NOT being alowed to leave the house. 

You were punished. Presumably you were not killed for your mistakes.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.

Xref: sparky ba.general:4523 ba.motorcycles:616
From: westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Dorothy Westphal)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Air-show schedule
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:29:29 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <JET.92Oct16115106@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>This was distributed to an internal mailing list.  Your milage may
>vary...
>
>
>
>	Friday, Oct 16
>		10:00 - 1:30	Various aircraft practice
>		 1:30 - 2:30	Blue Angels demo
>
>	Saturday, Oct 17, and Sunday, Oct 18
>		11:00		Navy Leap Frogs in C-130
>		11:10		Leap Frog flag jump
>		11:15		P-3C launch
>		11:30		Scott Hammack jet dragster
>		11:33		Leap Frogs, second jump
>		11:40		Vern Dallman aerobatics
>		11:52		Red Knight T-33
>		12:03		John Collver AT-6 demonstration
>		12:18		F-18 demonstration
>		12:33		Eddie Andrini, Super Stearman demonstration
>		12:47		Patty Wagstaff aerobatics
>		12:59		MiG-17 vs. Scott Hammack jet dragster race
>		 1:14		Red Baron Stearman Squadron
>		 1:48		Sean Tucker, Pitts Special aerobatics
>		 2:00		Eddie and Alan wingwalking
>		 2:15		Fat Albert C-130 with jet-assisted takeoff
>		 2:25		Yak attack aerobatics
>		 2:40		F-117A flyby
>		 3:00 - 4:00	Blue Angels perform
>
>Highway 101 is scheduled to be closed during all Blue Angels
>performances.  Plan to take a different route (or follow the detour)
>if you are going to arrive near one of these periods.
>
I believe the same schedule holds for Sunday Oct 18.


-- 
Dorothy Westphal, Sunnyvale, Calif. % Just when things are going your way...%
westphal@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com   %               they get even better!   %
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance for my new ride
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:58:04 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <ZOWIE.92Oct12161502@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>
>I used to do insurance through McGraw, since they're easy to find, and
>have reasonable rates.  They're *not* the cheapest in town.  I've since
>switched to State Farm.

I ended up going with State Farm. $137/6mos for 25/50 coverage, uninsured
motorists for both physical and property damage, and comprhensive & 
collision. Noone else even came close. I did call another net.recommended
place, Leigh, first name Arturo, or Alfonso, something like that. He was
about the same as all the other non hugely-corporate places. I am 27 & single.
There is also a bracket at 28, and the non corporates said their price would
half when I turned 28.

jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)                                      *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |    If you think education is expensive,      * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |              try ignorance.                  *
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Good M/C accessory shop in Menlo Park area?
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:14:13 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <1b4rdsINN64p@roche.csl.sri.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>
>	Is there a good M/C accessory shop in the Menlo Park/Palo Alto
>	area? I need to buy a tank bag, and I don't want to go all
>	the way over to Santa Clara... On the other hand, I don't 
>	want to spend TONS of money by buying one from a dealership....

I noticed Cycle City had some reasonably priced tank bags on their wall. They
are on the San Antonio frontage rd just past Charleston. 

jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)                                      *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |    If you think education is expensive,      * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |              try ignorance.                  * 
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Insurance for my new ride
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:14:01 GMT

-
     I found McGraw Insurance in Menlo Park to be the cheapest.  I
only have liability, though.

						George


----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: iachella@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Stefano Iachella)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Wanted: Sportster tank
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:52:02 GMT
Reply-To: iachella@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Stefano Iachella)
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

Wanted:   Small sportster tank, Black, with '91,or '92 emblem. 883.
          Anybody switched to the big tank and want to get rid of
          the old?  Mine's rusted.

home (510) 836-4801
work (415) 777-3327
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: acuff@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU (Richard Acuff)
Subject: Re: Good M/C accessory shop in Menlo Park area?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:17:24 GMT

Cycle Gear on El Camino in Redwood City is only five minutes away and
it worth a look.  It's just south of Jefferson on the west side.

	-- Rich
From: dlong@cse.ucsc.edu (Dean R. E. Long)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Used parts?
Date: 12 Oct 1992 04:40:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: willow.ucsc.edu

I'm thinking about getting a used motor/head for my bike.  Are there
any junkyards that have bikes as well as cars, or just bikes?  Please
email.
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman)
Subject: Re: Where to find XYZ in the Bay Arya?
Organization: MSH Software, Hayward, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:17:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.185409.28982@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
 > 1) I am helmet-shopping. I would like to look at the Arai line, the
 > Shoei X8, and the BMW 3-series (the one that jaws open in the front
 > so you can take it on and off without removing sunglasses).

If you find a place stocking the BMW helmets let me know.  I retired my System
I after many years of use and replaced it with an AGV -- mistake.  The AGV has
started to fall apart in less than a year and the straps are guaranteed to rub
across your ear lobes.  You don't notice it the first 40 minutes, then it
begins to hurt.  Sigh.  The peripheral vision is great, though.  That's why I
bought it.

// marc
-- 
marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us -- pacbell!dumbcat!marc
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jalal@lecap.wpd.sgi.com (Jalal Rajabali)
Subject: SuperTrapp Exhaust for sale!!
Reply-To: jalal@lecap.wpd.sgi.com (Jalal Rajabali)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:08:08 GMT



This fits 1989 Honda TransAlp (XL600V).  It is 4-6 weeks old and is
scratchless.
Also comes with 12 discs.

If interested, Please call Jalal at:

	(415) 324-3066 (Home)
	(415) 390-2155 (Work)
	e-mail: jalal@lecap.wpd.sgi.com

Thanks,
jalal
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Where to find XYZ in the Bay Arya?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:54:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.185409.28982@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com
(Curtis Jackson) writes:
>1) I am helmet-shopping. I would like to look at the Arai line, the
>Shoei X8, and the BMW 3-series (the one that jaws open in the front
>so you can take it on and off without removing sunglasses).

Road Rider helmet prices are competitive with what the
mail order places ask.  As far as I know, they have
the best retail prices in the area, at least for
helmets.

BMW hinged helmets are no longer being imported.  If
there are any available at all, they're probably
at BMW dealers.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: duk@well.sf.ca.us (Chuck Miller)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Where to find XYZ in the Bay Arya?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:35:26 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link



George, this may have been done before, but can you post an address for Road
Rider.  Thanks.

Chuck Miller
duk@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: BMW&Ducati of Marin Sale/Swapmeet   
From: feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:54:30 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Got this in the mail today...

BMW&Ducati of Marin is having a shindig on October 24th+25th. On the
24th, 10am-5pm, a celebration of their 20th Anniversary with free eats.
On the 25th, 10am-5pm a "BMW Swap Meet and Show." So it looks like a 
good time to shop for goodies. More info: (415) 454-2041. See you there.

--
Josh Feinstein <feinstei@sonoma.edu>         I disclaim nothing.
PGP key available via .plan or email
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1:30p)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:35:26 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Oct7.060434.29943@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H.
Kunich) wrote:

> I guess I ought to say it -- There aren't a lot of places that you can
> ride a motorcycle for fun anymore and Skyline is one of the few places 
> left. Would it be too much trouble for us bicyclists to leave them alone?

You're goddamn right it would be too much trouble, if you mean stay off
Skyline so motorcyclists won't have to be concerned with anything except
each other and cars.

What the fuck do you mean, "leave them alone"?  I don't do anything to the
motorcyclists except be on the road.

> Yeh, there is the occassional jerk motorcyclist, but certainly they are
> fewer than auto drivers of the non-sapient form. They really ought to 
> have their places to ride too. Just like we want Old LaHonda Rd and
> Stagecoach Rd. without 100 mph loonies, they want Skyline without
> the 15 mph lunch bunch.
> 
> The object here is to co-exist.

Yes, and that's exactly what we do.  I ride Skyline on weekends all the
time and (as most of the cyclists in this discussion have said) there is
basically no problem.  Motorcyclists are much less of a problem to me than
cars are.  I am much less of a problem to them than cars are.  What
happened last Sunday was an aberration, completely untypical.  It has
nothing to do with the normal scene on Skyline on the weekend.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jeff@MicroUnity.com (Jeff 'Giga-hurts' Kaskey)
Subject: Re: Where to find XYZ in the Bay Arya?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:54:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.185409.28982@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
...
|> 1) I am helmet-shopping. I would like to look at the Arai line, the
|> Shoei X8, and the BMW 3-series ...

Cycle Gear usually carries Arai and Shoei, has good prices, competent sales staff (though I haven't been to the San Jose store in a while), and will generally match anyone else's advertised price (though not necessarily magazine prices).  My experience - magazine ad prices can be a bit lower, (don't forget to add shipping) but even helmets of the same size seem to have different fits, so I pay the extra few bucks to  people I know who let me fondle the merchandise.  

|> 
|> 2) I would like to get the most recent issues of several of the
|> cycle mags to check out the prices and accessories advertised there.
|> I have found it difficult (after an admittedly cursory search) to find
|> these mags. Any suggestions on bookstores that carry a wide selection?

Fry's


-tfk