From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: Bill & Hillary are Socialists (was SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SAY IT)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.045948.24453@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.032716.29047@news.acns.nwu.edu>, dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)                 writes...
>>In article <1992Nov5.220430.1@vxcrna.cern.ch> zeus@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:
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>>Might I remind you that Nazi Germany was a socialist state.
>
>In name only. And not even that after they were elected. Nazi Germany was
>a Fascist state. Hitler made many speeches about how the evil menace to
>the world was, you guessed it, communist Russia.

It was not "in name only."  The people of Nazi Germany handed over a large
portion of their income to the government in the interest of helping the aged,
assuring education, etc.  Read the platform.

>  It is when people
>>develop the type of groupthink that socialism encourages and sacrifice        
>>themselves and their minds to the state that tragedies such as The Holocaust
>>occur. 
>
>Don't confuse Communism and Socialism. Also, don't confuse Nazi Germany
>with liberal thinking.

I'n not confused, you just haven't read the platform.  

>>>After years of telling the whole world that Liberals, Socialists
>>>and Progressives were all evil monsters, that anyone who dared
>>>to defend civil liberties was bent on enslavement of the people
>>>under a Stalinist regime, that anyone who disagreed with them
>>>was unamerican, now we know the truth. The American people have
>>>chosen Liberal Progressive and Socialist policies.
>> 
>>Socialists are one of the greatest advocates of eliminating civil liberties. 
>
>Whoa! Just who has tried to destroy such civil rights as Habius Corpus,
>right of privacy (ie drug testing), freedom from unwarrented searches,
>and seizing your property before the trail? You guessed it, the Republicans.
>The Warren Court, a liberal court, expanded countless civil rights. The
>Rehnquist court has eliminated countless. If you want to put this in a 
>historical context then look at the conservatives in the 50's. The 
>Puritans of America and England (they actually outlawed Christmas). 
>
I also tend to consider our current Republican party a soft-core National
Socialist party.  Please name the rights that the Warren court expanded.

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>> 
>>I blame FDR's programs for many of today's problems.  His agenda did not bring
>>the US out of depression, WWII did.
>
>FDR cut the unemployment rate in half before WWII started.

Unfortunately this cut was almost completely from an increase in Public Sector
jobs.  Another reason is that because of increased entitlements, many were
able to leave the work force, decreasing the unemployment rate.

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>
> A move closer to socialism will only succeed in quickening
>>our country's downfall.
>
>Freudian slip? Did you just admit that we are going downhill becuase of
>Reagan/Bush?

We have been headed downhill since the very early 1900's.  Reagan and Bush are
just part of the same snowball that began with the Federal Reserve, Income
Tax, direct election of senators, and the protection of the crooked and lazy
at the expense of the upright and productive.



-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  Read the Democratic party platform, then       
Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  the 1933 Nazi Germany platform.  Now note 
This University is too Commie-	|  the similarities.
Lib Pinko to have these views.	|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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