HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: The use of profanity
Followup-To: rec.games.netrek
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:55:49 GMT

jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:
>esj@cs.brown.edu (Eugene Santos Jr.) writes
>> I hope the intent of this post will serve the netrek players well.
>> It's an obvious warning to the dangers of escapism in netrek. I also
>> hope that it provides "revelation" even if only minutely. It's better
>> to deal with escapism early so we can have a society of mature and
>> responsible adults.
>
>Oh puhleeze.  You mean to say that "mature and responsible adults"
>can't have periods of escapism?  That they have to "deal with it
>early", before becoming mature and responsible?
>
>This sounds like a wish for social engineering on a scale that even
>the worst bible bashers don't dream of.

It was a joke, and you fell for it harder than a cloaked pump fake
to a loaded agri.

>
>Spaceman "lessee -- we gotta ban films, books, music, sexual 
>          fantasies, dreams, games..." Spiff

Actually, we should conglomerate them into one big thing for modularity,
ease of use, and simplicity.

Felix "waiting for wide-screen text-oriented stanzas of stream-of
consciousness dream-state Nanci-wooing role playing adventures" Gallo
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Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Twink Shortage Prophecied
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Distribution: rec.games.netrek
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:35:08 GMT


According to rumor, the hammer's about to fall on games at NCSU again...

During Project Season (Nov - Dec), an unconfirmed rumor says that our
sysadmins are planning to hose all games from the network, to make sure
that academic work is not interfered with.  The games should return next
semester.

i.e. the NCSU Legion of Netrek Twinks may be going into hibernation for a bit.

Condolence cards may be sent to the normal addresses.

				--Commodore Video Sex Pope, NCSU
				--"Sic transit oggia... er, gloria."

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                         jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu 
          ---------     have clue, will travel.    ---------
  "I am a penis. Worship me."--lead singer of rock band Bicycle Face,
vainly attempting to gain attention of the crowd at the Cat's Cradle
in Chapel Hill, while opening for Mojo Nixon & The Toad Liquors
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: wang@db.toronto.edu (Huaiqing Wang)
Subject: Idea for a new client feature ... 
Summary: timer, client 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:33:00 GMT


Well, after thinking about it for a while. I decided to ask the opinion
for the general netrek community.

How about a timer built into the client?

It was work as a message to your self,

"R3->R3 300" means the client will exit itself after 300 seconds.

Obviously, a "CANCEL" message may be added.

I am currently implementing this. I am doing this since many people
that I know are having problems putting a good game down and get on
with their work/study/whatever.

What do you guys think of this?

I will send the finished source code (based on Tedd Hadley's client)
to somebody. Eric? Tedd? So that they can look at it and bless it
as they wish.

I don't think this option adds any advantage to player what soever.
So, this is not a borg. :)

	-- Paper Boy! 
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: More candy-coated drivel
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 04:54:51 GMT

danhua@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Hua) writes:
>hey netrekers!
>
>	recently there have been much bashing of sunscreamer and
>	exodus and whoever else.  C'mon people, be nice!  [...]

Nice?  Nice?  Isn't that a town in France?

Anyway, thanks for the good will, but I think I can defend myself
if I have to.  I kinda enjoy it when people write about me, even.
It hones my skills.

> I have
>	personally interacted with exodus... and the like, and I
>	find them very friendly.  WHo knows... good will begets
>	good will?  (one of the nicer things that G. W. Bush has
>	ever said, heh).  In that light, I like to say that Mojo
>	is a nice person too (no, he didn't pay me to say this).

Tap once if he's holding a gun to your head.  We can have a team
over in minutes.

>
>anyname
>(I have too many character names)

I hope you'll exhibit this sort of cheerful happy-go-lucky good
will and friendliness in our match tomorrow.  After all, we
Bagels are peaceful traders and merchants who mean you no harm.

rear ensign sunscreamer
minister of population export, HELL'S BAGELS
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From: stimpy+@cmu.edu (Rick)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: another berkeley client question
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:15:00 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

um, Hadley gave me the fix for the x11window.c, we hope.
I haven't seen the bug pop up since I put the fix in, and I
did as much as I could to try to get it to happen.

Anyway, the Berkeley.client.tar.Z on ocf.berkeley.edu code has
that bug in it, although Mehlhaff does have the fix for it.
I'm not sure if his compiled clients have the bug or not.


--Rick
"Bronco Netrek Server. You will never find a more wretched hive of
scum and villainy." -- Admiral Kenobi (aka Terence Chang)
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: more exodus bashing; also call for scrimmages
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:33:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1dbagpINNonv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes:
>In article <Bx8q99.L71@news.iastate.edu> wyvern@iastate.edu (Nuno Bettencourt)  
>> Remind yourself that is was an ISU alumnus (Vincent Atanasoff) that
>>was the father of the modern computer you are sitting at now. 
>
>  Now wait a minute. I'm not extremely well versed on my computer history, but  
>at the very least I've never heard of this guy.

Many of you may have seen the PBS series, "The Dream Machine", which examined
the birth of the "modern computer" from its very beginnings.  I have the book,
so I looked the guy up in the index.

He wasn't there.

Guess he must've made a real big contribution, huh?

>  I'm sorry to say, while ISU may have spawned the 'father of modern  
>computers', the rest of the world is advancing the technology while ISU rests  
>on it's laurels.

It's resting on a big pile of something, all right.

BTW, for those who don't know, "Nuno Bettencourt" plays a variety of musical
instruments for the band "Extreme".  Either we have an odd coincidence, a
netrek player who plays guitar and piano very well, or somebody who really
doesn't like the name his parents gave him.

>        Mike Neuman                mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: new no-profanity rule at rwd4
Followup-To: rec.games.netrek
Keywords: surprise
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 05:05:23 GMT

In article <josh.721085333@mowgli> josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
>Gosh, kids, there's a new no-profanity rule at rwd4. [...]
>
>Rd-->ALL  FUCKING keymap.
>
>and poof! I'm ejected. [...]

>So, WARNING! DO NOT SAY ANYTHING PROFANE AT RWD4. No prayers
>to Thor. No "gosh", or "darn", because those are, after all,
>"profane". (Well, maybe not, but then again, I don't have access
>to the requirements in the gosh-darn [oops!] student handbook.)

Hey, a chance for me to use my powers of VERBAL RANGE!  I'd better
hop on the case before all the other liberal arts majors converge
on this post like oggers on ZZnew guy.

What rwd4 is really banning is obscenity.  Profanity is the misuse
of religious words in an insulting sense, i.e. "jesus sucks my
gold plated left nipple" or "buddha woulda if he coulda."  I sure
hope the student handbook gets it straight, or I may have to use
strong language and assume a stern demeanor against cmu.

>Rd-->ALL  Ka is a fucking idiot!

>is one thing, but for a complaint about my OWN client? Pish and
>tosh. And with no warning at all? Weenie city. I can just see
>some little shriveled up server-weenie, pounding away at the
>keyboard, "take THAT, you, you BEAST!". It's not like I make
>a habit of sending nasty messages to the ALL board, or to any
>other board, for that matter. This whole thing is a SEVERE
>over-reaction.

Well yeah, especially since most universities, CMU included, have
even worse infractions: students curse on the quadrangle, Young
Republicans openly recruit in student centers nationwide, and
quantum physics is taught *on purpose* *in public*.

>I am curious as to what precipitated this change, too. Anyone
>want to enlighten us on it?

My bet: legal necessity.  My fix: use your mind and vocabulary to
come up with more interesting phrases.  For instance,

Rd->ALL  I had to shave Ka's mother's back to read the price list tattoo

go for it

rear ensign sunscreamer
minister of truth, HELL'S BAGELS
>
>Irritated,
>
>the doctor
>
>--
>Josh Hayes, Quantitative Sciences HR-20 U of Washington
>josh@mowgli.cqs.washington.edu             206 543-5004
>      We got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand.


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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:34:06 -0500 
From: Rick <stimpy+@cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: new no-profanity rule at rwd4

hmm... the relevant lines from the CMU Student Handbook:

Page 40, under "Computing and Information Resources Code of Ethics"

- Obscenities should not be sent by computer.

that's it. honest.  :)

Anyway, almost every server says "No profanity" somewhere in the motd.
You rarely see an ejection, though. (except on discovery)
Actually, George made his "mucuspig" account because Terence locked
out the "gusciora" account because of profanity.  :)
Usually Terence would "censor" the offender for a week or so.
They couldn't send messages, or if they tried you got a funny
message about sunspot interference...
The thing about rwd4 is, a few people have access to the office,
so they can boot you.

--Rick
Ensign FUCK YOU, GOD   (discovery)
for some reason, i can't manage to play long enough to get promoted...
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:03:38 -0500 
From: "Timothy C. Worsley" <tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ARF-MOO client
	<BxLr8B.MJp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.netrek: 12-Nov-92 Re: ARF-MOO client
Alec Habig@bigbang.astro (880)

> Umm, excuse me if I'm being dense, but how is a solid vs. dashed circle any
> different than a little army symbol or lack thereof?


	This seems like a reasonable question, and sums up what my potential
problem with the client is.  
	When fighting, one wants at little on the screen at possible.  A common
tactic is to hide behind a planet and fire, asuming that the torps are
slightly hidden by the icons on the planet.  This works moerately well
in some cases.
	A common way of dealing with this is to turn off the tactical planet
names and tactical planet info.  This has the disadvantage that you have
to look at the galactic to know what's going on (some don't considder
this a disadvantage).  One is also more likely to get "lost".
	The ARF-MOO client shows the most important info (armies) without
cluttering up the tactical and hiding torps.  The dashed outlines on the
tactical and galactic make it easier to find yourself on the galactic
than with the normal client.  Additionally, the solid circles show up
MUCH better on the galactic than the army icons, letting you spend less
time looking for them.
	In short, I believe that this would help one fight when near planets
without losing any important information, and actually makes some
information easier to see.  Does it help play?  Perhaps not by much, but
a some people play at a level where small changes help a lot.

Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.netrek: 12-Nov-92 Re: ARF-MOO client Tom
Holub@soda.berkeley. (1904)

> It is not allowable in INL play if it is not a bronco-blessed binary
> available from one of the FTP sites in the Netrek FTP list.  If someone
> blesses it and puts it on an FTP site in the Netrek FTP list, I
> would have no objections to it.


	This is a good point, and I will talk to the owner about this.
	It also brings up a point.  Apparently a large number of Berkeley
players were using a client which showed the lock-on arrow (It may have
shown the visible T/P too, but I'm not certain on this point.) in INL
games *months* before it was released.  At the time, there could be some
debate about whether this was allowed or not.  Now, if it's not on an
FTP sight, don't use it.  This includes any little mod that you might
want to make, no matter how little it changes the game.  That way, there
is never a grounds to cry foul.
	I know I'm somewhat anal about clients, but if no one is arround to
yell about small changes, then sooner or later, the big changes will go
through.

ZZnew guy
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: n9046319@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Jeremy Corley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: client problems : font...
Keywords: font client netrek
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:46:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov12.214610.13518
Organization: Western Washington University


	I'm new to netrek.  I went and got a client for my machine, but
I don't have the 6x10 font required for it to run.  So then I went and
got the source, changed the font in the code to something I did have,
and now the font I have (I tried a few) are all too big so the overlap
on the screen _and_ I don't have a "blessed" client so alot of machines
kick me off.

	HELP!HELP!HELP!

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From: jf41+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan R. Ferro)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: Problems connecting to metaserver.
Date: 8 Nov 92 05:22:02 GMT
	<1992Nov8.013146.13081@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Actually, I meant to report this problem some time ago:

charon.amdahl.com reports *for itself* that it has two network
addresses:

% nslookup

> server charon.amdahl.com
Default Server:  charon.amdahl.COM
Address:  129.212.11.1

> charon.amdahl.com
Server:  charon.amdahl.COM      <-- Use charon.amdahl.com to look up
Address:  129.212.11.1              its own address

Name:    charon.amdahl.com
Addresses:  129.212.33.1, 129.212.11.1  <-- Here's what you get.
                                            The first one is totally bogus.

Knowing this doesn't help Greg Dearing, because the Emacs
open-network-stream function won't take numeric hostnames.

-- Jon Ferro               Einsprachigkeit ist heilbar
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: SBs and TMNT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:59:14 GMT


funny, last week while i was interviewing at a law firm in san jose,
i met a guy named jim ivey.  i figured, how many guys can there be
named jim ivey?  as it turns out, at least two.  this one definitely
wasn't old enough to have a 23 year old daughter.
all you jim iveys out there, stand up and be counted.

this was kind of a revelation to me, since it never occurred to me
to think that anybody but us young squirts played netrek.  i always
figured that people like my dad had better things to do with their time.
so, does anybody know what the divorce rate is among netrekkers?
there have been a couple of times when my girlfriend got pissed off
because i spent too much time playing netrek.  maybe that's why i don't
have a girlfriend now.

-teddy
epiphany (i.e. revelation)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu (Jim Mccoy)
Subject: Thier phasers are locked on sir, now what?
Reply-To: mccoy@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:07:44 GMT

Okay, tell me if there is some secret to this.  I go in cloaked to take
that juicy little planet and someone gets lucky enough to tag me with a
phaser.  Is there anything to do at this point except kiss my ass goodbye?
I am not exactly talking about dodging some clueless twink, but rather
getting out alive if someone with a little bit of clue nails me coming in.
Does anyone have any advice about what to do?  I usually end up punching
maxwarp and heading in whatever direction the enemy is not going in (hoping
to get out of phaser range), but was wondering if there was anything else
that can be done....

jim
From: tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Timothy C. Worsley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Brick Verser in 2004
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:23:15 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	After hearing SOOOOOOOO much about elections for SOOOOOOO long, I've
come to the conclusion that if you want to be president, you have to
start planning for it long in advance.  So I would like to start the
Brick Verser (bav) in 2004 campaign.
	According to our sources, 14,000 people read this bboard, most of them
in the United States.  Given that we have 12 years to work on this, I'd
say that we could build up a very solid base of support.  If we start
now, we could have president Verser in 2004.  I don't know about
everyone else, but I'd have more faith in Brick Verser to run our
country than I've had for anyone else who has run in my lifetime.
	So, bav, what party are you?  What is your platform?  We must start SOON.

ZZnew guy
Ringman -- campaign manager for the bav in '04 committee

PS

If you're not from the US, I'm sorry to foist this on you.  

PSS 

Perhaps this would make a good new RGN group --
rec.games.netrek.poly.sci.bav-for-president.in.2004
From: lockjaw@ecst.csuchico.edu (Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: client fonts
Date: 10 Nov 1992 05:36:38 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: grotus.ecst.csuchico.edu


I've just started playing netrek and am quite hooked.  I have a problem though
in that my eyesight is poor and I have a difficult time reading the fonts.

Has anyone modified a client in such a way is to make the fonts larger?  
Skud The Great has done a little work on the problem already with some
success, but I was hoping the problem might have already been solved,
or at least that there would be a reasonably simple way to fix it.

Any help would be most appriciated!

-Lockjaw    (lockjaw@ecst.csuchico.edu)

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:33:25 -0500 
From: "Timothy C. Worsley" <tw1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dogfight division championship results
	<1992Nov12.044606.8322@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.netrek: 12-Nov-92 Re: Dogfight division
champ.. Andrew Markiel@sherman.p (1704)

> ah. Now I see the problem. They secretly switched my network connection
> with Folger's crystals! Those wacky guys.

> Well, I'm not sure about guzzler, but I know who won't be playing netrek
> tonight (or, maybe it's time to challenge danny on a west coast server :-)

> -Grey Elf

> P.S. You know, I start to wonder when some foreign countries have better
> network connections to bronco than I do.....


	Remember, kids, when you pick your Grad. school, make sure it's got
good connections to CMU, UCB, and/or KSU.

ZZnew guy
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: NETREK BANNED !
Keywords: banned
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:05:02 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Nov05.015103.34939@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> dd435157@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Dan Doner) writes:
>The admins here at colorado state university have banned netrek.
[...]
>quit trying to play it.  They used a metaserver to get the addresses of the netrek
>servers.  They then changed the routing to point to dev/null or the address equivelant
>for all these servers.

Allow me to introduce you to "trekhopd".  It's a single process running on
a machine somewhere which forwards Netrek connections.  I use it to hop
over a firewall machine.

If you can run it on a nearby machine for which the routing tables haven't
been munged, you can run your Netrek connections through it.  If they want
to play games and change the routing tables to exclude it, you just change
the trekhopd site.

The increase in lag is nonzero but (for me at least) very small.  You can
have several people playing through it to different servers, and UDP works
just fine.

It's currently available on charon.amdahl.com, in pub/netrek/thd1.31.tar.Z.
It requires a change to the netrek client.  There's an older program called
"gw" which doesn't require a change but is less secure and harder to use.

>     Dan Doner

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: more exodus bashing; also call for scrimmages
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:19:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Distribution: na
Reply-To: mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62103.student.cwru.edu

In article <Bx8q99.L71@news.iastate.edu> wyvern@iastate.edu (Nuno Bettencourt)  
writes:
>In article <83052@ut-emx.uucp> bagel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Prime Wordsmith for  
Hell's Bagels) writes:
>>But what
>>does it *take* to get into iastate?  Fifty bucks and a set of crayons?

  Actually it's one of the best state schools. Oh no, wait, that's University  
OF Iowa. 

> Remind yourself that is was an ISU alumnus (Vincent Atanasoff) that
>was the father of the modern computer you are sitting at now. 

  Now wait a minute. I'm not extremely well versed on my computer history, but  
at the very least I've never heard of this guy. And besides, what's a "father  
of the modern computer"? Was von Neumann the father of the ancient computer?
Is Danny Hillis (inventor of the CM-[125]) the father of the future computer?
And besides, ISU's role is trivial compared to say, Upenn in the 50's and 60's,  
or CMU's role today. Ever play on rwd4? Just take a look at Mach's source code  
and you'll see scores of files either written or patched by Randall Dean.

  I'm sorry to say, while ISU may have spawned the 'father of modern  
computers', the rest of the world is advancing the technology while ISU rests  
on it's laurels.

--
        Mike Neuman                mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
  "To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto
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Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
From: hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill)
Subject: question: how do we stop this?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:59:11 GMT

Alan D. Cabrera writes
> SUMMARY
> 
> This is the Request For Discussion regarding the proposal to split 
> the newsgroup rec.games.netrek, containing discussion of the game 
> netrek.

How do we stop this?  Do we have to go post on news.groups?  What a  
pain...  Let me know if no one is willing to....

Are people generally opposed to this?  Seems *really* silly to me.

Rob