HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Sanity
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:36:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Jul21.175314.14659@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
> I have heard of how a couple of Psych Grad students decided to see how long
> it would take a mental hospital to determine that they were not insane, once
> they were committed. To this end, they fake the symptoms of schizophrenia (sp)
> and are commited. Once in, they act perfectly normal. The institution does
> not deem them sane. They finally get out 6 monthes later, after several
> friends come forward to tell the hospital that it was an experiment.

Almost, but not quite.  See:

Rosenhan, D. L. (1973).  On being sane in insane places.  _Science_,
  vol 179, pages 250-258.

Quick summary:  Rosenhan and seven other 'normal' people presented themselves
to various psychiatric hospitals saying they heard voices that said "empty,"
"hollow," or "thud".  Otherwise, they described themselves, their history,
and so on as it really was.  All but one were hospitalized with the diagnosis
of schizophrenia.  Once admitted, all reported that they did not hear the
voices, and acted normally.  It took on average 19 days to be discharged
(they agreed not to use outside help and not to admit original deception)
but in one case it took 52.  When released, it was with a diagnosis of
schizophrenia in remission.

Two points:  (1)  From psychiatrists point of view, the people reported
auditory hallucinations.  Thus, they were kept under observation, and treated
in light of reported hallucinations.  (2)  The pseudo patients had contact with
the staff only for (on average) 6.8 minutes a day.  

--
    Ian Neath, PhD       |  "For those who like this sort of thing,
neath@psych.purdue.edu   |   this is the sort of thing they like."
 neath@purcvvm.bitnet    |                       - Abraham Lincoln 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Subject: Re: Man Shot In Head Survives!
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:53:38 GMT

In article <Bs5tHo.6u7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo) writes:
>>My dad, the retired surgeon, still tells the story about a guy who shot
>>himself in the head and survived. The result was a diy lobotomy and the
>>lucky fellow lost the urge to do himself away for some time. The story
>>continues, however, and he made a second attempt some years later. This
>>time the bullet deflected from the metal plate used to fix the first hole
>>and all he got was a severe headache.
>
>Years ago, the Chicago Daily News had a report about a man that tried
>to commit suicide with his power drill.  Apparently after the first
>couple of holes he just kept going by instinct, and was on the
>seventh hole by the time he was discovered.

Not to mention the old Civil War story about how a soldier received a shotgun
pellet through a testicle, the pellet continuing on through an open window
and into an ovary of a woman in a nearby house.  Both people survived; and a
baby was born nine months later to boot!


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|      A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.  -- Anon.      |
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From: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: A Man, A Woman, A Bed, and Handcuffs (was Anyone heard this one?)
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:12:35 GMT

In article <24814@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
> [bondage blunder UL's]
>
>Incidentally, I heard an interview with Stephen King on National 
>Public Radio's _Fresh Air_ yesterday where he notes that his new 
>novel (entitled _Gerald's Cabin_ or something like that) uses a 
>similar motif.  He said that it begins with a couple who lives in 
>a remote cabin in the woods.  They like to engage in bondage, though
>the woman begins to tire of it.  One day, the woman is handcuffed to
>the bed and the husband somehow croaks, so there she is, bound to a 
>bed in a cabin out in the woods.
>
[Potential spoiler for SK fans]

The book was reviewed,  I believe both in the NYT and the local rag.

The suspense comes when a hungry mongrel walks in, eats her husband,
and starts sniffing hungrily at _her_.  (I know time and digestion
and starvation make this chronoligically incredible, but that's
what the book says.)

Neither review was charitable.

Phil "The large dog ate a dead husband" Gustafson
>
>Terry "Kinda peaceful out there..." Chan 
>--
>Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov                           I disclaim all disclaimers.


-- 
|play: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG; {ames|pyramid|vsi1}!zorch!phil                |
|work: phil@gsi; sgi!gsi!phil            | Phil Gustafson                   |
| "Don't believe in ads.  Don't believe in government.  Watch yourself --   |
|  everybody is trying to screw you!"  Bill Gaines, 1922-1992               |
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: denebeim@brtph254.bnr.ca (Jay Denebeim P025)
Subject: Re: Who invented the airplane?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:08:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul15.182421.18774@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>Not to be confused with the ripoff Those Daring Young Men in their Jaunty
>Jalopies, 1969, also with Terry-Thomas but starring Tony Curtis, husband

Actually, I believe that you're confusing 'the great race', this was
with Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon, Natalie Wood.  

jay@deepthot.cary.nc.us
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Sanity
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:09:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.175314.14659@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
> I have heard of how a couple of Psych Grad students decided to see how long
> it would take a mental hospital to determine that they were not insane, once
> they were committed. To this end, they fake the symptoms of schizophrenia (sp)
> and are commited. Once in, they act perfectly normal. The institution does
> not deem them sane. They finally get out 6 monthes later, after several
> friends come forward to tell the hospital that it was an experiment.

I've seen the same story.  I *think* that what I saw was a news story,
probably on the AP wire, written more or less contemporaneously to
the incident.  But I'm not certain of that.

The version I heard had some more parts -- that the other patients realized
that they were sane, even though the doctors didn't.  Also, the experimenters
were deemed uncooperative because they kept insisting to the staff that
they were sane.
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cat colouration
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:40:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <bu6fuuu@Unify.Com>, ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
> 
> Tabby is various shades of a single color (i.e., light to dark orange, 
> or white to black, but not both) in splotches and (optionally) stripes.  

My orange tabby has white patches on his chin, belly, toes and the tip
of his tail.
For the record, there are three kinds of patterns a tabby can have: stripes, 
rings or spots.
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                        Taronga Park * Houston, Texas
arielle@taronga.com                           568-0480   568-1032   
                     "Oopsy... " -- CometGuy
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: that'd be in the butt, bob
Summary: I refute those dates!
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:49:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <2+hm-sq.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) writes:
>
>>	OK, cutting through the noise of what constitutes "proof" or not,
>>A friend of mine whose truth and memory I trust claim to have seen the
>>episode.  He estimates the date between 1986 and 1988, not a rerun, and
[stuff omitted]
>Also, if it was not a rerun, then it was the "New Newlywed Game," a second
>incarnation of the show which began in '85 or '86.  According to my TV
>show encyclopaedia, it was essentially the same as the original *except*
>they allowed more risque stuff on the air.  Which would make the comment
>in question even less extraordinary and the censors argument even less
>likely.

Without much further comment on whether it *actually* happened, I can
definitely refute this date.  I remember much discussion, including memos
at work, among a group of friends of mine when I lived in Texas.  We thought
this thing was hilarious!  We carefully explained in in great detail
to those who wondered what all the giggling was about.  I left that
particular job in January of 1985, and have not communicated with several
of those people since.

I tend to toss out papers of such stuff when they're five years old or so,
and remember doing so when I moved to my present residence 25 months ago.
There was no "physical evidence" of course, but in culling through
the boxes, I recall finding the "humor" file folder from that job.  I'm
sorry I didn't keep much.

Mention of the *new* NG gives me a thought: perhaps this thing was a
UL for a very long time, and the "risque" newNG decided to stage it?
From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Sanity
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:08:57 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Jul23.154347.28116@PA.dec.com>, by mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes):
> 
> In article <BrtHI4.7z8@cs.psu.edu>, 
>   antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes) writes...
> 
>>Given that all it takes is a doctor's signature to complete the "hearing",
>>and it is therefore a judgement call by one person as to whether you are a 
>>danger, I'd say it's still too easy to get locked up.
> 
>  That's not so.  The patient has a right to demand a more rigorous hearing
>  before a board, rather than one whose outcome is decided by a single doctor.
>

Mmmmhmmm, but he/she has to get that doctor's permission to ask
;-{) in writing first. 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Subject: Re: that'd be in the butt, bob
Reply-To: lawson@aldia.UUCP (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:17:08 GMT

In article <2325@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>tc = twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
>rl = rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
>
>rl: Tell this to a courtroom where there is a witness to a murder.
>me: With some work this, too, could be an AFU motto.
>tc: Yes, it lacks the proper degree of angst and pathos.
>
>And also the suggestion that "if you don't believe my grandmother
>she's going to die and you'll be responsible!"


Oh my!  Should we all get people to send get well cards to your grandmother?

-- 
Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate
From: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM (Daniel Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Sanity
Date: 28 Jul 1992 23:39:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: medicated.corp.sun.com

In article 14659@news.cs.brandeis.edu, st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
> I have heard of how a couple of Psych Grad students decided to see how long
> it would take a mental hospital to determine that they were not insane, once
> they were committed. To this end, they fake the symptoms of schizophrenia (sp)
> and are commited. Once in, they act perfectly normal. The institution does
> not deem them sane. They finally get out 6 monthes later, after several
> friends come forward to tell the hospital that it was an experiment.
> 
> my question is, is this true?


Well, I looked around for the citations in PsycInfo and couldn't find any,
but that's because either I'm not so good at it or PsycInfo sucks.

Anyhow, this story was related to me as an actual experiment in both
my Social Psychology and Abnormal Psychology (undergrad) classes; some
social psychologists thought it might be a good idea to do the following:

	o Instruct some students to show up at a psychiatric hospital,
	complaining of "hearing voices" but nothing else.

	o They are admitted, and claim that they have stopped hearing voices.

	o They don't get out, and get labeled as having disorganized
	schizotypal personality disorder with psychotic features, or
	somesuch.

	o It takes some convincing to have them released.

I think they stayed for more on the order of a month. I'm pretty sure this is
true. If someone else can't provide verification, I can probably ask my
old advisor for some names.

I did find this, though:

17)  Kryter, Karl D.  "'Aircraft noise and social factors in psychiatric               hospital admission rates: A re-examination of some data': Erratum."             PSYCHOLOGICAL MEDICINE.  1990 Nov Vol 20(4) 1022.489.    



---
# Daniel M. Rosenberg  dmr@medicated.Corp.Sun.COM   +1 415 336 6790
# Taos Mountain Software / Sun Microsystems / KZSU Radio

Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:19787 rec.arts.sf.misc:2215 rec.humor:24545
From: jimb@tsdiag.ocpt.ccur.com (Jim Blakey N2MQE)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.humor
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:32:02 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Oceanport NJ

In article <1992Jul24.120250.970@gvl.unisys.com> rafem@gvlf7-e.gvl.unisys.com (Ralph Marrone) writes:
-In article <1992Jul24.073550.9101@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
->In article <CB.92Jul23171934@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
->
->In all their behavior they are MUCH closer to athiests, even the
->Objectivist kind, then they are to believers.
->
->I would call myself an athiest.  I have no belief in god and have
->good confidence in that belief.  I'm open to new evidence at all times,
->but I've spent a lot of time examining the evidence (and my dad has
                    [  deleted to save space ]
->-- 
->Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
-
-Agnosticism is the Schrodinger's Cat of theism.  Believers/Atheists...

    I was sitting here 'a wonderin' what all this agnostic .vs. athiest
stuff had to do with alt.folklore.urban, till all of a sudden it dawned
upon me with a blinding white light:

     this God and Religion stuff(TM) has all the makings and qualifications
     to be the Biggest U.L of all time!!! Just think of it! All the wars
     and fighting over the last 2000+ years because of a UL (probably
     made up by a direct ancestor of that guy that made up that '...in the 
     butt, Bob' one)

     I think we should all be much more careful what we type from now
on. Who knows what we could start!

Jim 'lemme see.. how do you make one of those smiley things... first a ;
     followed by a.. uh... oh yea -  and then a  ) .. ok, gotit!'  Blakey
:-) ;-) ;-) :-) etc....
-- 
                       
              Jim Blakey    jimb@tsdiag.ccur.com
From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Moxie, submarines (was: Re: Prince Albert in a can?!?)
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:47:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.35891
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul20.191655.7441@acuson.com> lawson@aldia.UUCP (Drew Lawson) writes:
>In article <35814@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins) writes:
>
>>McDonald's doesn't serve "milkshakes" anywhere. They serve "shakes".

    [Clearly, I was completely wrong]

>
>Sorry, but I was thinking about this topic while standing in line at
>McDonalds on Saturday, so I glanced up to see what the sign said (as
>well as to see if there was a 'seasonal' flavor), and saw:
>"Milkshakes."
>

Well, then, fine. As long as you're truly _sorry_ about it.

Geez, people apologizing for corrections on afu. Bizarre. Must mean
the imminent death of the net or something.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (Uh, but maybe I was, um, spreading a UL! Yeah, that's what I was
doing. I remember saying to myself, "Self, what if you spread a
plausible UL that reflected badly on McDonald's")
-- 
  "Windle shook his head sadly. Five      | pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
exclamation marks, the sure sign of an    |  [Not a UCSD employee]
insane mind."                             |
     --Terry Pratchett, _Reaper Man_      |
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: that'd be in the butt, bob
Date: 24 Jul 1992 14:59:51 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, California
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

   In article <2314@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
  +In <1992Jul21.212142.29839@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger 
	Leuthner) writes:
  +
  +>Tell this to a courtroom where there is a witness to a murder.
  +
  +With some work this, too, could be an AFU motto.

Yes, it lacks the proper degree of angst and pathos.

Terry "Any takers?" Chan
--
Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov                           I disclaim all disclaimers.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: iam30974@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (.I.Moscoso.)
Subject: Re: H2O2 cures cancer (was: that'd be the butt, bob)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:18:56 GMT

hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
>betsys@cs.umb.edu
>(Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

>|>  My dentist has lots of diplomas on his wall and a nice white coat
>|>and everything .... :-) 

>Are you sure thats a dentist? when he makes you sit on the comfy couch
>does he try to rip your teeth out or try to talk to you about why you
>wanted to have sex with your father and kill your mother?


I didn't know Geraldo Rivera wore a lab-coat...
			...though I can buy the comfy couch
--
-ivan	(if you gotta dime, i gotta dime...)


ObUL:  The more kids play with their marbles, the faster they lose them.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:43:07 GMT

lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:

>There's a trucking company named GOD.  It stands for Guaranteed Overnight
>Delivery.

Their number is 1-800-CALL-GOD.

-- 
Matt McIrvin  mcirvin@husc.harvard.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: nasadk@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Subject: Re: Name that UL!
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:50:21 GMT

[Cat story deleted]

I know somone who would love that, though. There's a member of the chem department
here who has sort of a shrine to cats on the door to his office. He also
admonishes us to "Kill a cat" rather than take out our frustrations on the
equipment in his office.

I can understand that readily. My brother got a pet cat recently, which I met
and stepped on for the first time. The hall was dark, and, well, who
expects a cat there? Needless to say, I almost got kicked out of the house, and accused 
of attemtpting to kill the cat by my younger brother. Tempting. My mom says
that the cat acts as a regular alarm clock by waking her at 6 AM. Fun.

Sounds like the lady has relatives here in Troy. Why just the other day, I
saw a guy driving around with a drink bottle on top of his car. He never did
figure out why everyone was pointing and laughing at him.

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>

ObUL : I believe (right) that this week's WWN has an alien endorsing Clinton on
the cover. Says the alien gave Clinton the plan for the Democrats to fix our economy.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: zougas@me.utoronto.ca (Tom Zougas)
Subject: Re: Left - Right
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:40:25 GMT

peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel) writes:

>rgm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Rob Menke) writes:
[...]
>My opinion about it is that this is an analogy or followup to the
>fact that the majority of humans is right-handed. So they have more
[...]

I wonder: Do animals (not including humans) have an affinity for one
hand(paw) over another?
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Engineering Mechanics and Design Laboratory		       416-978-1281
Dept of Mechanical Engineering, University of Toronto,      Toronto, CANADA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: mdpopham@babbage.waterloo.edu (Mike Popham)
Subject: new UL?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:11:10 GMT

Anyone heard this?  Is this for real or is it an UL?  Or is it a 
for real UL?

Some guy posts on newsnet that he wants to kill George Bush and the
next day 2 secret service guys show up at his house.  I heard this
from a friend (suprise, suprise).

(jees, with the recent US ruling on grabbing people from other
countries, should I worry about having 'kill George Bush' in my
posting?)

Mike "kill Dan Quayle" Popham
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese)
Subject: Re: "Green Death" Beer
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:18:04 CDT

In article <Brpn0C.E1z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
>gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle) writes:
>
>>I remember the term being used to describe Mickey's Malt Liquor, in the
>>wide mouth bottle.
>
>Oh GOD that stuff is horrible!  You just made me gag just remembering it. :P

But i've been told that you can levitate after drinking 12 bottles...

If you drink 24 you'll play "Mousetrap!" with Elvis and Francisco Franco
in the basement of the Liberace Museum in Las Vegas...

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From: tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Who invented the airplane?
Date: 14 Jul 92 14:39:48 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS


In fact the person who *really* made the first feasible aeroplane was the
mechanical wizard who built the engine for the Wright Bros. aircraft -- he
made the first petrol engines with a sufficient power to weight ratio to
get the contraption off the ground.  Unfortunately I (and most other people)
can't remember his name.

Tim
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: "Eat the Rich"
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:11:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Krokus, a German heavy metal group

I seem to remember them as Swiss, actually.
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