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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black)
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:24:21 GMT

dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:

>>	Is this Commodores idea of a joke.  An 020 system selling for $1850
>>   with no monitor.  I thought this was supposed to be Commodores low end,
>>   low priced AGA system.

>It'll have to be half that price to sell in any kind of quantity.
>An EC030 might cut it at a price only a little under that, though.

Why would an ec030 or an 020 be any cheaper.  I can pick up a 50mhz 030 for 
$150US.  Now how much cheaper could it be for 020 maybe $80US.  And these 
are prices for a consumer that wants only one.  For a company that can buy
in bulk the price difference drops even more.  


Marty
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga for musicians (was Re: Falcon 030 vs. "next generation" Amiga)
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:07:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
: 	Ummm... no way.  One of the Amiga's weakest areas is MIDI and
: music.  No Amiga MIDI package compares to the Mac's Performer or Vision.

Hmmph.  :)  Well, we referred, of course, to him switching from the
ST, to which we do relatively well against.  I'm not familiar with
Vision, but I'm familiar with Performer.

: (B&P Pro is good only if you like the "pipes" metaphor.)  There are NO

I _DO_ like the pipes metaphor, that's why I have such high regards
for it.

: professional quality Amiga scoring/notation programs.  (Dr.  T's "Copyist
: Professional" is NOT pro quality, due to several terrible design flaws.)

Unfortunately, I agree totally.  That is one of the biggest flaws in
the MIDI programs available for the Amiga, and it's a damn shame that
somebody can't do something better than DMCS.  :)

: Digidesign has a several-year headstart over any Amiga company in digital
: audio processing.  Heck, the Mac already has several integrated MIDI +
: direct digital recording packages.

There's a very limited selection availabe.  However, the SunRize stuff
can do some amazing stuff at the high-end.  I've seen it touted as,
with some video editing stuff, being a complete audio/video computer
editing system, and it had some neat stuff.

: 	As you all know, I think the Amiga is a fabulous computer.  But as
: an electronic/computer musician for the past 13 years, I definitely believe
: that the Amiga suffers in comparison to other music platforms.  And it's a
: damn shame, too.

And to think I thought you were nothing more than a brain-dead
artistically-backwards anti-creative moron just the other day...  ;)

You never said, btw, if congrats are in order, Mr. PhD. :)

Greg

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From: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 but NO AUDIO
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden)
Organization: Commodore Sweden

In article <1992Sep27.105649.12609@lth.se> e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:
>All my sources at C= sweden told me so, and they have not lied to me 
>yet, so if we don't get DSP & 16 bit sound by christmas, I'll gladly
>eat a box full off floppies...(yum,yum!) :-)

I just wanted everyone to know that no one here at Commodore Sweden knows this
person. (Well, at least no one who has any knowledge about future products anyway,
he might know someone at the warehouse or something.) But since he left his
address, I will send him a box of floppies (5 1/4", we'll have to to think
about his poor stomach). Have a nice dinner!!

[The biggest, most stupid .sig I have seen in a while, deleted]



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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:16:17 GMT

In article <1apc23INNgft@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <OA92-901-306p1_88E8203B@piraya.bad.se> Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
>>It's NOT! Suppose you want the DSP to do other stuff, like voice recognition,
>>image enhancing, or 3D graphics, or any other of that nice stuff a DSP can 
>>do, why waste bandwidth on such a simple task as outputting audio?
>
>Well, that's the point.  Good 16-bit audio with a nice, CD-quality
>output isn't a simple task.  That's why you really need a DSP.
>
>Of course, if you've got a good OS, it's possible to manage it through
>the OS's resources.
>
>Not that the Falcon's OS can do that, but it might be able to.

I'm curious as to how well the DSP will be handled under AmigaOS.  Will
there be a dsp.device, DSP:, and that sort of thing?  What will happen
if code written for a DSP equipped machine is run on a machine without
one?  Will we have to wait for DIA/RTA?  :-)

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:46:30 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <1992Oct5.063532.17215@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>single-precision real. In a real-world application your numbers are going to
>be in a localized magnitude, so you don't need the 8 bits of exponent.

In "some" real-word applications... Everything with a large dynamic range
gets difficult to handle (24bits are just 48db, i.e. nothing to be proud off).

>you can always look at the Mandelbrot demo that shipped with early releases of
>the NeXT OS. They showed a (probably non-optimal) mandelbrot routine that

Hehe, Mandelbrots are _ideal_, especially when you are only into the
large scale image. First, all numbers can be easily held within the +/-1.0
magnitude and second, you're starting to need higher precision than 24bits
if you want to dig deeper into the mandelbrot set. That's why the 56002
(the successor of the 56001) has a double precision multiply operation.
It is awefully time consuming to do that on a 56001.
Also, Mandelbrot calculation needs nearly zero data. Everything can
be held on the chip.

>ran on the 68030/68882, floating point of course, then the same algorithm on
>the DSP, it must have completed about 20 times faster at least. The fact is,

A 56001/27MHz completes a 512x512 pixel mandelbrot set with a max iteration
of 80 in 3.5 seconds.

>compute fractals using scaled integer arithmetic (thus the name). (Has it
>been ported to the Amiga now? I gave some Amiga programmer-type my 68000

What about MandFXP using integer math ?

>oriented tasks using integer arithmetic, and (b) you will get faster performance
>going that route. (Yegods. I just realized I used the words "fast" and "8086"

Or nowhere. If you _have_ a large dynamic range you're going into
time consuming NORMalize operations.

BTW, anyone with a rough approximation of a log2() that does not need
normalization ?

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From: etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander)
Subject: Re: Falcon & A4000
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:06:38 GMT

Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:

>>  [stuff deleted]
>>
>>  No, the Falcon is probably better, but don't forget how Atari

>Better than an A600?  Probably - Faster CPU, better GFX and sound. Of
>course, its still not an Amiga.  And the Amiga has much more software
>and hardware support, and Commodore is much bigger and stronger than
>Atari.

 The point is that someone was saying that an old machine shouldn't
be compared with a new machine, and I'm saying that if they're 
similarly priced users still will compare them. There was a time
when the C128 was slightly more expensive than the ST in Europe,
so the 128 was killed, it vanished, it ceased to exist.

>> killed the UK C64/128 market with aggressive ST pricing. If

>?  The C64 still sells, what, about 700,000 machines a year?  And its
>quite old and "obsolete".  The C64 is one of the best selling single
>computers of all time!

 But who's buying it? It's almost as if I would start bragging about
booming Atari 2600 sales in China. We're talking about a machine
that's got absolutely no impact at all in the PC/Amiga/Atari dominated
world. Is the C64 still popular in North America, or what? 
 
 I know they use 8-bit computers in Poland, Hungary etc, but I
doubt the sales are as much as 700,000 machines a year. Get back
with some evidence.

> [stuff deleted]
>
>How much is a Falcon with a 50 meg harddrive, and 2 megs ram?  I can
>buy an A500 for $300, plus a 50 meg hard drive/40Mhz 68030 accelerator
>for $969, which totals $1269 - thats about how much I have heard the
>Falcon is with a hard drive.  Of course thats not quite fair, since
>this Amiga system would be 2.5 times faster (if not more).  But I'd
>rather have the Amiga setup for that price than the Falcon.

 I'm sure it would be a nice system, but users want new features
such as improved colour/resolution, sound etc. And, yes, I know
Commodore are going to release something that'll definitely beat
the Falcon in the future. 

>> [stuff about low expandability on the ST deleted]
>>  Unfortunately you're right about this.
>Of course I am.

 I only tried to show that even an Atari addict may use his (her)
possibility to express dissatisfaction with Atari equipment. 

 Anders Skelander

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: WB 3.0 on 3000
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:41:21 GMT

In article <david.0304@ariane.cam.org> david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.83512.7410@ms.uky.edu> jgary@ms.uky.edu (James E. Gary) writes:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone knows if WB 3.0 will work on a 3000. I know that
>> the AGA chipset is not supported (yet), but are other features of the OS
>> tied to the 3000? I apologize if this has been asked and answered, but
>
>   Yes, Kickstart 3.0 and Workbench 3.0 works great on an Amiga 3000.

Can I buy it for my A3000?

>|                David Lebel      ///  Let me hear you                      |

Regards,

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From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:08:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.015813.15957@ariel.ec.usf.edu>, stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack) wrote:
>So stop waiting. DMI has been shipping 20 meg Insite Flopticals for months
>now... All you need is a SCSI controller.

Anyone have compatibility details wrt AmaxII?
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From: rayhann@ee.mu.OZ.AU (rayhann chee)
Subject: Re: Telephone lines
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:28:45 GMT

In article <10667547.229.717904816@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>>David Meiklejohn (also known as davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
>
>Um, I don't think this is the right place, but how on earth are they going 
>to put pay-tv through the fibre optic network?  If it can't really handle 
>sound all that well, how are we going to get decent pictures on our 
>television sets?
>
>Don't get me wrong, I'll believe your explanation about telephone lines over 
>my fuzzy year 12/1st year physics.  Any explanations from guys over at the 
>Telecom Research Labs?

Oh.. uhm they can use subcarrier multiplexing. It's an analog system, not 
digital. The transmitter end has several TV channels each modulated using
AM on a particular carrier. All of these carriers are then mixed electrically
and used to modulate an optical transmitter. To make a long story short it
is possible to send a video signal *pretty decent quality too*, down a fibre
link. Digital links may be possible too since transmission rates of up to
10Gb/s and over has been achieved. *Now if they can only make a decent 
receiver and demux*

Hope that clears up a bit. Please fell free to flame/correct any errors.
And I am not from TRL.. *grin*

rayhann 

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:55:44 GMT

In article <66674@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
|> >Now, how about the fan? Still grunge up once a year or so?
|> >
|> >BTW: I know this is the wrong area, but is the A2000 fan "standard" equipment?
|> >I'd assume Commodore didn't have a fan built Just For Them... so I **SHOULD**
|> >be able to get a replacement at some place like Radio Shack, if I know the
|> >power requirements and approx. speed...
|> >
|> >Riiiight?
|> 
|> Riiight. But don't get the Radio Shack fans. They will die every 2 years or
|> so. Get something with decent bearings that will last at least as long as
|> the computer. They cost all of $2 more than the radio shack variety.

Well, that's a tall order. My family keeps CARS for 10 years! And after buying
USED! I plan to own my A2000 for at least another 5 years, and it's 5 years old
already. If the fan's the only thing that needs replacing, I'll be overjoyed.

|> TomK@cup.portal.com
|> Tom Krotchko

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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: Emplant? Denise? Agnus? Lisa? Who ARE all these people? : -)
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:30:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.145444.18906@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.010723.18956@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Hi there.
>>
>>What is thios 'Emplant' thing?
>
>   Emplant is an as-yet vaporware hardware & software product for the Amiga
>that is supposed to give the Amiga a Mac IIx emulation in color that fully
>mulittasks with Amiga software.
>
>>Also, I realize that 'Agnus' 'Denise' and 'Lisa' are coprocessors for the
>>Amiga, RIGHT?  could someome please explain further?  Also, how do they
>>fit in with the 'AGA' chips?
>
>   They are not coprocessors in the real sense, but custom chips.  One of them,
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Errr...

What is this supposed to mean?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:34:33 GMT

glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:


>u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull) writes:

>>The bit about filling polygons is a downright lie - neither the amigas
>>nor the ataris blitters can draw filled polygons [in the strictest sense]
>>But the amigas blitter can do template filling.

>	I am a registerd Atari developer and have Atari's docs on the
>blitter.  If you have an STe and want, I can send you an example program
>(executable only, source might violate my NDA) that uses the blitter to
>draw filled polygons.  Where did you get the info that it can't do
>polygons?

The blitter is just being used to draw horizontal lines - for each line
of the polgon.  This is not what I call true hardware polygon filling.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 in stores by October 7
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:11:27 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct3.152021.16551@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
> 
> >My dealer HAS his a40000's, and in fact, mine was shipped to me today. :^)
> 
> >Ben
> 
> Someone told me the A4000 comes with a 68ec040 instead of 68040... is it 
> a rumor or is it a truth?  How much does a 68ec040 cost and how much does a
> 68040 cost?  

Not so...
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Emplant? Denise? Agnus? Lisa? Who ARE all these people? :-)
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:18:33 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep26.010723.18956@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> Hi there.
> 
> What is thios 'Emplant' thing?

Some kind of 3rd party widgit I guess.
> 
> Also, I realize that 'Agnus' 'Denise' and 'Lisa' are coprocessors for the
> Amiga, RIGHT?  could someome please explain further?  Also, how do they
> fit in with the 'AGA' chips?

Proto	A1000	A500/A2000	A600		A3000		A4000
				
Agnus	Agnus	Fat Agnus	ECS Agnus	ECS Agnus	Alice
Daphne	Denise	Denise		ECS Denise	ECS Denise	Lisa
Portia	Paula	Paula		Paula		Paula		Paula
		Gary		Gayle		Fat Gary	Fat Gary
		Buster (2K)			Fat Buster	Fat Buster
						Ramsey		Ramsey
						DMAC

Agnus/Alice chips are the DMA Address Generators, but also include the
blitter and video timing.  Agnus was became Alice with the AGA changes.

Daphne/Denise chips are the Video Data chips, includein the color lookup
tables and serialization.  Daphne became Denise when the color table
changed from a hybrid Luma/Chroma organization to RGB, and then Lisa
when re-implemented for AGA.

Portia/Paula chips are the I/O Ports, including floppy, serial, pots
and audio.  I think Portia became Paula when support for MFM floppies
was added to original GCR stuff.

Of these, Paula hasn't changed, Agnus hasn't changed much architecturally
but has gotten much messier and Denise has three significantly different
implementations.

"GA" chips are system control Gate Arrays.  Gary handled a 7MHz 68000 in
the A500/A2000 environment.  Fat Gary handles a 16/25MHz 68030 in the
A3000/A4000 environment.  Gayle handles a 7MHz 68000 with PCMCIA and
IDE support for the A600.

Buster chips are bus controllers.  The original for the Zorro II bus in
the A2000, Fat Buster does Zorro III.

Ramsey and DMAC are the A3000 DRAM controller and DMA contoller.

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From: spamboy@illiterate.edu (Yeff Jung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: RE:Amiga 4000 vs. Atari FALCON: Hooray, Lizardshit, FUCK!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:56:17 GMT
Organization: illiterate.edu: Illiterate's public Network
Reply-To: your ugly ass
Distribution: world
Keywords: Spam,Atari,Jeffyung
Summary: Ramblings of a flake
X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.5

I GOT ON A NEW SERVER NOW THAT HAS A SMELLING CHECKER SO I CAN LOOK
LIKE I WRITE REAL GOOD.  I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO ALL YOU GAYS OUT
THERE ABOUT THE FALCON.
MANY OF YOU SAY THAT THE FALCON IS BAD BECAUSE IT HAS NO SOFTWARE.
I DISAGREE.  I THINK THAT IS GOOD. IT FORCES THE USER TO WRITE HIS
OWN SOFTWARE, LIKE THE NEXT. EVERYONE THINKS THE NEXT IS GOOD.
SO YOU SEE, USERS WILL KNOW MORE AND BE BETTER.
AND IF THE MULTITOS MAKES SURE THAT HE DOES THE PROGRAMMING RIGHT
OR IT DOESN'T WORK THAT IS GOOD.  SO ONLY REAL GOOD PROGRAMMERS WILL
USE FALCONS.  THAT IS GOOD.

SO UP YOUR BLOODY BUMS, ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY COMMODORE'S
HALF ASSED ATTEMPT AT SAVING THEIR TINY ASSES, THE 4000.

AND DAN STEPHENSON THINKS I AM SKIP SAULS OR DAN BARRET? HAHAHAH!
I LAUGH AT YOUR UNDERWEAR.  DAN THINKS THAT PC'S ARE THE BEST.  ATARI
FALCONS WILL MAKE HIM BEG ON HIS KNEES AND LICK THE SLICK LEATHER
BOOT OF ATARI ONE DAY. 

AND MARC BARRET IS THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOW THE TRUTH! COMMODORE IS
RUN AS WELL AS GEORGE BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION.
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From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: a3000t and mac quadra
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:51 EST


FR>(FYI: For anyone who doesn't know, the Q900 was out for... oh, about 5 months,
FR>then it was replaced by the Q950... nice, huh? Talk about support....)

 And to think Amiga users complain with Commodore. If Commodore has done one
thing right, it's managed to keep compatible with older Amigas. This may have
slowed down their upgrades but I would rather wait for a compatible upgrade 
then jump out and purchase a new computer because my old one isn't compatible
anymore!

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From: cy0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chad O. Yoshikawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV in Popular Photography
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:39:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cemdoje00WA148_nsA
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In one magazine, I saw that BlockBuster's in CA will start
stocking CD-I PLAYERS for rental.  Another blow against CD-TV!
How long will C= wait to push CD_TV?

Chad