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From: jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jeremy Heilman)
Subject: Nickle Plate Passenger Cars
Followup-To: jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:40:47 GMT

I am looking for HO scale passenger cars for the Nickle Plate Road.  I
tried ordering some from Standard Hobby Supply, but after 6 weeks they
cancelled my order because they could not get them.  If anbody knows of
anyone who carries them, please let me know.  Thanks in advance.

																																				Jeremy K. Heilman
																																				jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu


The opinions expressed here are those of Bowling Green State University. 
Ya, as if.
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From: wadams@spitz.ECE.CMU.EDU (William Adams)
Subject: Re: Gluing Down Ballast
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:44:50 GMT

[ballasting track --- those pesky profiles]

I was walking along some tracks (whose?) it Pittsburgh and was amazed at
the steep angle of the ballast.  Could hardly climb up it (about 5 ft tall).

What I've done is to first paint the sloped edges with an earth-tone latex
paint.  While it is still wet, sprinkle on the balast.  After drying, you
can touch up any bare spots and glue it down tight.  The paint not only
keeps the ballast on, but provides a decent base color for the 
inevitable thin spot.  Since it's dark, a good amount of ballast will
appear as solid ballast instead of as ballast glued to something.


		Bill
		wadams@faraday.ece.cmu.edu
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From: bunce@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Container Tank blueprints
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:14:16 GMT

Howdy, Y'all  (Texan for hello)

I would like to scratch build some tank or flat containers for my scratch built
N scale container cars, but I can't find any good photos, blueprints, or
whatever.
 
Does anyone have a picture they can scan and mail as a GIF or as a Macintosh
PICT or even better as a MacDraw drawing, or as a last resort snail-mail?

I have searched the databases for MR, RMJ, Trains, Prototype Modeler(?) for
containers and found only plans for container railcars. I saw a picture in
Trains a few months back of a flat container with a shifted load of lumber, but
it wasn't big enough or clear enough to make a model from it. I also went to
the library and looked for books and found the _Car and Locomotive Cyclopedia_,
but it was from '84 and had no containers listed :( and only the Thrall
container car.

I have seen the containers go by on the highway between Galveston and Houston,
but they were going the opposite direction and I could never get a good long
look to even attempt to reproduce one from memory.

Who makes the containers anyway? I know Thrall and Gunderson make container
cars. Anyone else make container cars?  I saw a set of cars at the Houston Belt
and Terminal RR yard a few weeks ago with smooth sides as opposed to the Thrall
rib sided cars. I can't remember the road name, it wasn't a railroad, but
rather a leasing co. like APL or Trailer Train. Anyone know what I am talking
about? I want blueprints of these too :)

If I ever get a camera I'll be able to document the things I see and not
clutter the net with requests for data, but rather post with information to
share. :)

thanks a bunch.

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From: sra@bistromath.mitre.org (Stan R. Ames)
Subject: Re: Info about G Scale
Keywords: G Scale, Bachman
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.165125.17153@b30.ingr.com> bob@b30.ingr.com (Bob Baccus) writes:
>I am new to the G Scale line of trains and I have visited several
>stores looking for track, cars, etc. Store owners don't want to
>sell Bachman track, cars, and other accessories. Questions:
>
>  Is Bachman not as high a quality of material as LGB?
>
No Bachman is not as high a quality as either REA or LGB.  The cars are very
light and the motive power is designed for the light cars.  However
I have several Bachmann cars and for cheep additions they are fine.
One problem though is that their nuckle couplers are of the low type.

>  Is Bachman track not as good as other track?
>
I would not recommend using Bachman track except for around the Christmas tree.
 
>  What is the advantage of using brass track (LGB) over
>  other track?
>
Unlike in the smaller scales I find Brass track works just fine outdoors over
an extended period.  I have gone to nickel silver for tunnels but still
recommend Brass for most applications.  Reason it holds up good for years.

Stan Ames
From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: AEM-7 (Was: Re: Models of Swedish X2000)
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:45:39 GMT
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.

jsm@beam.Princeton.EDU (John Scott McCauley Jr.) writes:

>Any models of the Swedish prototype of the AEM-7? (I think it is something
>like a Class IV B-B, but am not sure).

I'm not quite sure what you mean here, my memory is hazy on the
subject, but I think ASEA built a prototype AEM-7 that didn't look
exactly like the ones in service now (headlights and details like
that). Don't know of a model for that.

If you mean the Rc 4 / Rc 5 class engines in service with the
Swedish railways, which are more or less the same as AEM-7's
except for external appearance, there are a few HO models, and
I *think* there's a Fleischman model in N.
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From: nijhuis@isg.llnl.gov (Jan A. Nijhuis)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: N-scale help locating parts
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:04:11 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Laboratory  Livermore, CA


Greetings one and all,

I have a few questions/requests... (2)

1.	Does anyone know where one can get replacement parts for
	ModelPower/MiniTrix N-scale locos?  I got reintroduced to
	the hobby by my wife who bought me a "Collectors Set" of
	the English train The Evening Star.  The loco ran for about
	an hour before smoke came out. The wrong end!

	The Walther's catalogue says repeatidly that shipments
	are slow from the manufacturer.  I'd like to get a 
	replacement motor, or failing that convert it with a 
	Sugami.  However, I'll need to get a worm gear for that
	operation, the one that is on the current motor is impossible
	to take off -- even with a gear puller.

2.	Does anyone know of N or HO scale NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen)
	Dutch railway's passenger equipment.  I'd perfer N.  Again
	Walther's is a source for some NS equipment but all of it
	freight and all of it rolling stock.  I know most of Hollands
	Engines are made in Germany so a similar setup might be
	available and only need to be repainted/stenciled/weatherd.

Please, to all of the Dutch contingent out there, pardon my spelling
of NS.  I was only four when I moved from the county and never went to
school there.  It's the best I could do without looking it up. 

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From: rcsteele@mobius07.math.uwaterloo.ca (Robert C Steele)
Subject: Marklin
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:05:29 GMT


Hi.  Has anyone had any experience with TRIX trains.  They are a Marklin
compatible german manufactured train.  Any replys welcome.  IF any other Marklin
compatibles are known please let me know of them also.

Thanks in advance,
rob
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From: tim@mdd.comm.mot.com (Tim Rosmus)
Subject: Re: Program schedule for "Tracks Ahead" on PBS
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:48:21 GMT

Anybody know when this program is scheduled for channel 9 in the Seattle area?
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From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: HOe gauge - What does the 'e' mean?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:22:04 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Nov9.182832.1527@dxcern.cern.ch> matheys@online.cern.ch writes:
 > Now, my interpretation of the meaning of these suffixes may be biased by
 > the fact that my mother language is French, but here it goes:
 > 
 >  m is for "metrique"     or metric     (usual real gauge close to 1000 mm)
 >  e is for "etroite"      or narrow     (usual real gauge close to 750 mm)
 >  i is for "industrielle" or industrial (usual real gauge close to 500 mm)
 > 
 > Mind you, the only place where I've seen the "i" suffix is in that standard !
 > 
My memory tells me the same, although my mother languages is not French and
most Railway books I read/own are German/English.

My source gives the following:
	HOm	12   mm	= 1000 mm
	HOn2	10.5 mm	=  950 mm
	HOe      9   mm =  750 mm
	HOn3	 7   mm =  610 mm
	HOz	 6.5 mm =  600 mm
but indeed no HOi.  This is from a book that lists all locomotives etc.
of HO scale on sale in 1979.  It gives rolling stock for all of the above
scales.
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From: smithw@hamblin.math.byu.edu (Dr. William V. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Suggestion to Rail Power Products : DDA35 shell
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:51:42
Organization: Brigham Young University-Math. Dept
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sofya.math.byu.edu

All you owners/potential owners of Athearn DD40s, wouldn't you
like to see RPP offer a scale DDA35 shell for the Athearn
DD40??  If they charged $25.00 it would certainly be worth it.
I've written them a note about it.  Why don't some of you
try the same if your interested!

Rail Power Products
P.O. Box  153
Sandy, Utah 84092

-Bill
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From: ryanm@stein.u.washington.edu (Ryan Mcneilly)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: HOn3 Turnout Supplier and Rolling Stock...
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:15:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.191504.14104
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I am looking for a supplier of quality HOn3 turnouts with #4 and #5 frogs.
 I would also like to see #6 curved turnouts.  I am also looking for brass
HOn3 steam locomotives and other rolling stack.  Specifically I want a
nice C&S 2-6-0.  Any supplier info or favorites would be appreciated greatly. 
Thanks.  --Ryan

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From: chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Steve Chenoweth)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: N Gauge Track Questions -- Curved Turnouts
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:07:13 GMT
Reply-To: chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.com (Steve Chenoweth)
Organization: NCR Technology & Development, Dayton, Ohio

In article <1992Nov6.224335.26529@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jhugart@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jacob Hugart) writes:
> ...
>The thing is, my design would be much better if I had some curved turnouts.
>However, Atlas doesn't make any (that I know of), and the turnouts in the
>Walther's catalog are expensive.  Also, I can't make sense of the (largely
>imported) designations for the curves...what's the radius?  What number is the
>frog? What code is the rail?
>
>Also, the Atlas turnouts that I possess have those huge switch machines.  Once
>upon a time, I saw an ad for an Atlas under-the-table switch machine.  Do
>these actually exist?  Do they work with the standard momentary-contact
>switches?  For that matter, would those curved turnouts work with such
>switches?  Would it be worth my while to get some slow-motion switch-machines?
>What do they require in order to trigger, momentary contact or...?

It would almost be worth it to do a FAQ on turnouts.  There are so many
considerations in making decisions like this.  For example, some of us have
concluded that curved turnouts tend to have more inherent problems, something
you apparently only learn from experience.

My own turnout question, incidentally, is as follows, in case anyone can
help.  One of my layouts is HO trolleys, and I recall seeing articles several
years back showing such layouts with very tight turnouts to go with the
sharp curves.  Alas, all the current suppliers seem to offer only #4 L & R,
or #3 Wye's, as their minimum offerings.  Are there regular suppliers of
sharper ones designed for trolleys, or am I into the world of hand-made
things here?  Thanks for any help on this.






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From: smithw@hamblin.math.byu.edu (Dr. William V. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Overland DD40 chassis
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:08:10
Organization: Brigham Young University-Math. Dept
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sofya.math.byu.edu

All you Athearn DD40 owners/potential owners, would you like
to see Overland or ProtoPower West produce a DD35 chassis for
this model?  If  Rail Power Products produced a DDA35 shell
for these models it would also make a GREAT combo.  Almost
as nice as brass, but less than half the cost!  They would
sell a fair number of them too I think.  If the chassis
was priced (mailorder say) for around $100 it would be fine!
If you want to offer the suggestion, as I have, here's an
address:

Overland Models, Inc.
5908 Kilgore Avenue
Muncie, IN 47304

-Bill
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From: chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Steve Chenoweth)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Athearn 86' Parts Cars and more
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:57:31 GMT
Reply-To: chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.com (Steve Chenoweth)
Organization: NCR Technology & Development, Dayton, Ohio

In article <1992Nov4.154132.12733@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>In article <jwj2.14.720825088@po.CWRU.Edu>, jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster) writes:
>> I can't understand, though, is how the manufacturers can actually break
>> even by only making things for so long and selling them for more. ...
>
>There's a delicate balancing act for the manufacturers.  On the one
>hand, they have to recover their high up-front costs for R&D, tooling,
>etc.  On the other hand, carrying a lot of inventory is hideously
>expensive.  Nor, I suspect, can they shut down their production lines
>too often to rerun older stuff.  Retooling and reconfiguring is
>unproductive time ...

There were many thoughtful responses on this issue, and we can see some of the
problems facing manufacturers.  The hobbyist may not feel much better
knowing that, however.  He/she still has the ongoing burden of trying to
live within a budget for the hobby while not missing products that all too
often burst upon the scene and then disappear.

For most of us, I'd say the worst of the worst in this scenario is the brass
models.  These are now so high priced that the average hobbyist must save
over a considerable period, forgoing other things, to get one.  Yet they
come and go even faster than Atlas or Athearn variations.  To their credit,
some of the importers are good about announcing production runs ahead of time.
And, of course, you may be able to negotiate some layaway arrangement with
the local hobby store.




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From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Subject: Past posts on building a helix?
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:45:21 GMT

Within the past few months there was some discussion here about building
a helix in a model layout.  I did not save any of the articles.  Of course,
now one of my friends is considering building one.

If any of you saved any of these postings on the helix discussion, would
you please email them to me?

Thanks.

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From: TSOS@uni-duesseldorf.de (Detlef Lannert)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: HOe gauge - What does the 'e' mean?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:03:31 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet, Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: lannert.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

In article <1992Nov9.182832.1527@dxcern.cern.ch> matheys@online.cern.ch (Jean-Pol Matheys) writes:

>The European standard NEM 010 defines three gauge suffixes:
>
> m for real gauges between 850 and 1250 mm
> e for real gauges between 650 and  850 mm
> i for real gauges between 400 and  650 mm
>
>Now, my interpretation of the meaning of these suffixes may be biased by
>the fact that my mother language is French, but here it goes:
>
> m is for "metrique"     or metric     (usual real gauge close to 1000 mm)
> e is for "etroite"      or narrow     (usual real gauge close to 750 mm)
> i is for "industrielle" or industrial (usual real gauge close to 500 mm)
>
>Mind you, the only place where I've seen the "i" suffix is in that standard !

I haven't seen that either. Here in Germany, "H0f" is sometimes used
for a model gauge of 6.5 mm ("Z" track), modelling a real gauge of 600 mm
("Feldbahn", railway networks used on construction sites, large farms, 
in forestry, clay mines, etc.).
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From: cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Switch Throw
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:01:12 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

I posted this a few days ago but as soon as I did our system administration     group decided to upgrade the system.  As a concequence, we've been without a
news feed for a few days so I don't know if anyone responded to my question.

I'm trying to find a source for a ground level switch throw made by Tenmille
(sp ?).  The switch throw is for G scale to be used in the garden.  It is a
manual switch throw.

My usual source for this item, Rara Avis Trains in Concord, CA, says there 
source no longer carries items from Tenmille.  I also checked with The Train
Shop in Santa Clara.  It almost appears that Tenmille has disappeared.

Does anyone know if Tenmille is still in business?  I believe they are located
in the UK.

Thanks for your help.

Loren Cantrell
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From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: railroad modelling and participatory theater
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:45:06 GMT


Several people addressed the subject of this discussion, but missed a thing or
two in the theatrical vein. Good theater doesn't need obsessive attention to
detail, as evidenced by the work of Richard Jaques and John Allen. Quite a few
years ago (someone with a master index please help me) Model Railroader ran an
article about Jaques' model - all the equipment, track, and scenery were
almost caricatures, distorted, dramatically painted, and the like. But the
overall effect of his railroad was breathtaking. John Allen was another master
of illusion. Take a REALLY good look at photos of the Gorre and Daphetid to
see how Allen took liberties with scale to achieve effects. I had the pleasure
of visiting the layout in 1967 when things were quiet and got an intensive
tour backstage, as it were, and saw many of the minor distortions and
illusions that The Wizard of Monterrey had incorporated in order to fool the
mind's eye.

In short, if you make it look good it doesn't matter how accurately you've
built it. A layout like the Tech's is a candidate for creative interpretation.
I trust there're plenty of appropriately bent minds in the club to interpret
the world as liberally as necessary.

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From: d88-hba@nada.kth.se (Harald Barth)
Subject: Re: N Scale Coupler Questions
Keywords: Micro Train, Body Mount, Curve Radius
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:27:09 GMT


>1. I understand that there are some curve radius and turnout limitations
>   for successful operation with body mount couplers.  Any opinions?

60cm : No problem at all i you go for NTrak
35cm : Somewhere here is the limit for truckmount <-> bodymount 
       connections.
25cm : Ok with only truck or only body mounts.
10cm : Lower limit for 40' boxcars with truckmount. (Usualy I don't 
       use boxcars on the tramway, but it's possible.) 
       Don't build such things...

>2. I think there is a MT coupler that will just replace the Rapido type
>   (as truck mounts).  Is this true, what is the number, is this a good
>   way to go?

I don't like the T-shank rapido replacers. It's difficult to get the 
right spring action. I use body mount or replace the whole boogie.

>3. How is the reliability, strength, etc. of the MT vs. Rapido couplers?

No problem if they're installed all the same height. Watch out for "steps"
at module connections. We (the NTrak MRC here) have operated 75+ car trains 
without pusher.

>4. To what extent are the various gauges, special pliers etc. required to
>   install and use these couplers?

Hm. I'm one of the bad guys checking height agains Microtrain's cars...

>5. (...) Dunno.

>And in closing, paraphrasing "Alice's Restaurant": "and any other kinda
>thing you wanna say pertaining to and about the <couplers>".

I haven't met an US car where I couldn't install kadees, but I have several 
german models (Kato 515/815, Ibertreen V80) I have my doubts - you may guess 
that my european stuff is (and will be) rapido equipped. When I get rich I'll
probably switch to Fleischman tight couplers, but that's another story.

Harald.
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