From: craig@osh3.OSHA.GOV (Craig Nordin)
Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
Organization: U.S. D.O.L - Occupational Safety & Health Admin.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:35:33 GMT

In <1992Nov20.214332.17041@news.vanderbilt.edu> Frank Sayre <sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> writes:



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>>From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
>>Subject: Re: C Guru - Six Figure Compensation
>>Message-ID: <1992Nov20.201518.7089@dsd.es.com>
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>>Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
>>Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
>>References: <1992Nov19.212813.1493@netcom.com> 
>><1992Nov20.185425.21895@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
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>>In article <1992Nov20.185425.21895@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, 
>>awells@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Andrew V. Wells) writes:
>>> In article <1992Nov19.212813.1493@netcom.com>, glenn@netcom.com (Glenn
>Gribble) writes:
>>> [ ... ]
>>> 
>>> >    Ability and willingness to work 60+ hours per week when required (not 
>>> >    constantly).
>>> 
>>>           Translation: Willingness to be a slave.
>>> 
>>> [ ...etc... ]
>>
>>While your post is slightly amusing, I'll be honest and admit that the
>>original post looked like one of the more appealing ones.
>>
>>You're posting from a .edu account, so perhaps you don't know that
>>working 60+ hours a week is sometimes required to get the job done. If
>>you're a salaried programmer and you don't get your product out the
>>door on time because you leave at 5pm every day, your head will be one
>>of the first to roll.
>>
>>When the time comes to put in 60+ hours is when the excitement
>>happens! If you don't like it / can't cut it / think it's slavery,
>>then it's time to examine career alternatives.
>>--
>>

>I'm completely with you, Paul.  However, I would like to correct the
>impression you leave that people who work in the .edu world are all
>clock watchers able and ready to leave at 5:00. 

>I know plenty of people in research and academic support put in their 
>share of 55, 65, and 75 hour work weeks, and straight 30 hour stints 
>at deadline time. And find much the same exhilaration that you do. So, 
>our worlds may have more in common than you may be aware.


I sometimes like the "macho" model.  But sometimes it ain't no more
productive than working 20 hours in a week.  Especially when someone
is doing it while practicing public martyrdom.  The sad thing is that
many bosses, having NO REAL KNOWLEDGE of the worker's job, are 
placated by someone who has hit the wall but is demonstrating pain
about it.

Advice to those bosses:  You don't have to pick the horrible ways
to deal with a non-productive, self-punishing employee.  There are
100 ways to skin a cat.  But what will get your production is what
you ought to do.  

For those of you who have a piece of work that you have fallen in
love with, I cheer.  I love comming into work and meeting with 
someone who is "soaring".  It makes my day.

My sympathies for anyone who hits the wall with a project.  But don't
expect me to stand by and not help push you through if it helps my
part of the project to do so.  Get some help, and get it done.  Don't
sit on it and make everyone else suffer.

For you slime-molds who are nursing a job to make a buck and pretending
professionalism or practicing non-productive politics, I hope the sun
comes up and shrivels you out of my sight.

>Cheers.
 Cheers!

I'm the only one who thinks these stupid things, so don't construe
my statements as statements from me or anyone at OSHA for goodness
sake!


>============================================================
>Frank C. Sayre
>sayre@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu


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