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From: schimken@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Nathan Schimke)
Subject: 2.1 beta & two drive types (was Re: OS/2 Drivers for Adaptec 1542B)
Keywords: Adaptec, 1542B
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:14:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.040916.13530@news.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green) writes:
>With the 2.1 beta CDROM, there is a piece of paper stating that I need to
>install something manually if I have a SCSI disk and another type.  I have
>an IDE and a SCSI with 1542B.  Will the beta install or do I need to follow
>the paper and install a driver manually to the install disk?

I have an ESDI drive and a SCSI drive.  I tried to install the 2.1
beta without first doing what the paper said to do.  The install did
not go well; OS/2 got confused about which drive it was installing to.

I then fetched and copied the file as the instructions said, and had
no trouble installing the beta.  (The file is on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, I
think in /pub/os2/2.0/patches.)

>
>Thanks,
>Meir
>
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From: patrice@cenparmi.concordia.ca (SCATTOLIN patrice)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Error Code List
Organization: CENPARMI, Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:34:56 GMT

In article <1232.625.uupcb@almac.co.uk> mike.dickson@almac.co.uk (Mike Dickson) writes:
>WH..I still think it is *really* important to at least publish a list of all
>WH..SYSnnnn messages if there will be no text accompanying them. 
>
>I couldn't agree any more. Releasing an operating system without any real
>paper documentation is absolutely crazy.

Not all messages prevent the machine from working. Only those that
prevent the machine from operating would need to be provided in printed
form. Look at the thickness of the error manual for VMS. That alone
is justification for not providing it all in printed form. 

But it should be available online as part of the documentations because
you can't do a thing with those messages otherwise! 
There is a printed list with AIX that is pretty usefull. I 
am sure they can do one here as well. The hypertext nature of the .inf would
be a natural for all those messages throwing you back and forth around various
procedures.

Back in 88 when I worked with AIX it didn't have a 'man'. That was
laughable an nobody could beleive it. The reason circulated around 
was even worst. Things look like they are improving. Keep it up.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kaul@vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: To XGA-2 or not [New resolution support info, in reality]
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 21:50:13 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

I'm not often in the position of following up on my own articles, but I've
mentioned this once or twice, so...

In <1993Jan07.161311.60766@watson.ibm.com> kaul@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>What would you say to 1360x1024 for a good aspect ratio on a 9517?  Kind of
>oddball, but I think it looks nicer than 1280x1024.  Naturally, this isn't
>an officially supported mode (at least with the 2.0 reference disk -- I'm
>not completely sure if it's on the 2.02 beta disk or not), but I mention this
>as a way of saying that the OS/2 and Windoze drivers should support that kind
>of strange size.

It turns out we released the XGA 2.02 Device Driver disk today.  Looking
in the appendix in the back, I see the 1360x1024 mode I mentioned (although
the 9517 isn't listed as supporting it).  That makes the list of officially
supported resolutions for XGA-2 something like:

1) 640x480 at 60, 72, and 75 Hz NI, with up to 64k colors.
2) 800x600 at 56, 60, 72, and 75 Hz NI, with up to 64k colors.
3) 1024x768 at 60, 70, 72, and 75 Hz NI or 43.5 Hz I, with up to 256 colors.
4) 1280x960, 1280x1024, and 1360x1024 at 45 Hz I, with up to 16 colors.

NI = Non-Interlaced.  I = Interlaced.  The frequencies are the frame rate.
All modes work under both OS/2 and Windows 3.1.

I'm told the device driver disk will be released on CompuServe soon, so you
can get it there if you have an XGA, or talk to your IBM service rep.
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From: pickrell@hoss.unl.edu (Andrew Pickrell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ESDI hard drive
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:03:34 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoss.unl.edu

In <Matt_Kievit.0bzy@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Matt_Kievit@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Matt Kievit) writes:

>Does anyone (someone should) know if an ESDI hard drive with 16bit
>controller will work with OS/2?  I can pick up one fairly cheap compared to
>another IDE.  Also, will it coexist with my current IDE controller?  I have
>a 386DX-33 if it matters at all..  Thanks...


>-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

To the first question, yes os/2 works fine with esdi drives I have run with
both a compaq esdi system and Gateway 2000 with Ultrasort 12F esdi controller.

I don't know about coexistance.

Andy

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From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
Subject: Re: some problems...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:55:55 GMT

>Another problem revolves around my lpt1 port. There are a few games which try
>to check out my hardware during the config process, and they check lpt1 for
>some reason. I'm assuming they are looking for a parallel port sound card or
>something similar. Anyway, OS/2 will ceaselessly pop up and tell me that there
>is some other app using lpt1. I really don't know what this app could be...If
>I open the settings for the print object, the output page shows lpt1 hashed
>like it is open or something. And I can't find any way to disable this.
>
>Anyone have any answers?
>

Yup.  The same thing used to happen to me.  The solution turned out to be
quite simple.  Search out the VLPT.SYS file that shipped with 2.0GA and 
replace the service pack version with it.  And then wave goodbye to that
goddamn LPT1 port is in use message.
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From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse)
Subject: Re: Does SimLife work with OS/2
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:33:55 GMT

In article <C0I93s.87H@newsflash.concordia.ca> patrice@cenparmi.concordia.ca (SCATTOLIN patrice) writes:
>
>Does the game SimLife work with OS/2. It list as a requirement the
>a 386 so I am worried it will try to use some protected mode
>instruction or have it's own memory manager.
>
>I presume SimCity for windows will work since it uses windows
>
>Thanks
>-- 
>Patrice Scattolin
>					patrice@cs.concordia.ca
>Concordia University			Montreal, Canada
>"I am so far north that Santa lives two blocks from me"

I was unable to get SimLife to work with OS/2. Under the GA (first) version
it caused some kind of protection error (can't remember the wording) and I
had to reboot. After installing the service pack, SL generated a very large
number of print jobs -- before I killed it. No success.

So... I dual-boot to DOS 5.0 and run it there. BTW, SimCity and SimAnt run
jes fine under the Great and Mighty Oz.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Icon problem.  UGH!!!  Information wanted ...
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:10:16 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec28.205529.664096@sue.cc.uregina.ca> skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (P. Takis Skagos) writes:
>I recently re-installed OS/2 and the Service Pack and I am experiencing a
>bloody annoying problem.  I've created a shadow of one of the PROMPT icons
>and then I went into SETTINGS and created another, customized, icon for 
>it because the default icon looks pretty ugly.  Creating the new icon
>works nicely (I save it as wp!1.ico), and it even alters the apperance of the
>shadow and original, but when I double-click on the icon to open, say, a
>windowed command prompt, and then minimize that windowed session, it doesn't
>use my new icon ... it uses the default OS/2 icon.  Before I re-installed
>OS/2 and the SP, everything worked fine ... my icon was used all the time,
>not the OS/2 default.

I know that PM apps ignore the icon in WPS, using their internal icon,
but I think this solution works with text-based apps:  Create an .ico
file bearing the same name as the program you intend to run and place
that file in the directory with the app.  For prompts, the program is
\OS2\CMD.EXE or \OS2\MDOS\COMMAND.COM.  So placing a CMD.ICO or
COMMAND.ICO file in these directories may work.  I used to do this
under OS/2 1.3, where there was no WPS - this was the only way to get
icons for non-PM apps.  It might still work.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OPTI chipset and OS/2:  Any problems??
Keywords: OPTI, OS/2
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:47:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec28.210518.14839@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman) writes:
>I'm thinking of upgrading to a 486DX/33 motherboard and I wanted to know if
>there are any known problems with the OPTI chipset and OS/2 compatibility?

My motherboard is a 2-year old 25MHz 386 OPTI chipset, and it has no
problems (other than the fact that it can't take more than 8MB of
memory...)
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From: tiffany@tron.bwi.wec.com (Robert Tiffany)
Subject: SCSI HD and CD-ROM problem with Adaptec 1542B
Organization: Westinghouse Electric Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:11:47 GMT

Is anyone running 2 SCSI devices with an adaptec 1542B ?
I'm trying to get an IBM 3510 <Toshiba> CD-ROM drive to co-exist
with a MAXTOR 7120 SCSI HD, and I'm having NO luck.  I can get
either of the devices to work, but not both.  The device with the SCSI
ID closest to 0 wins.

The card has default jumper settings, except: floppy disabled, and bios
disabled (I boot from an IDE drive).

FILES:
10-16-92   2:57a     36708           0  CDFS.IFS
10-16-92   2:46a      6320           0  OS2ASPI.DMD
10-16-92   2:41a     32978           0  OS2DASD.DMD
10-16-92   2:44a     10844           0  OS2SCSI.DMD
 3-30-92  12:00p     21556           0  CDROM.SYS
 8-13-92   2:56p     16150           0  AHA154X.ADD

with the CD-ROM at 2 or 4, the HD at cd-rom id +1 (ie: 3 or 5),
and the following in the config.sys:

IFS=C:\OS2\CDFS.IFS /Q
BASEDEV=AHA154X.ADD
BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
DEVICE=C:\OS2\CDROM.SYS /N:4

I get the following message at boot up:

IBM CD-ROM Driver
  Version 2.01
  Unsupported Vendor, MAXTOR  7120SCS         3235A219Q5MS
  1 device installed
    Drive: D:

which tells me that both devices are alive, and if the following config.sys
line is modified, the unsupprted vendor warning goes away, which means
the /!SM: switch is working.

BASEDEV=AHA154X.ADD /A:0 /!DM:2,4,6 /DM:1,3,5 /!SM:1,3,5 /SM:2,4,6

I now have a fully functioning CD-ROM drive, and can listen to audio CD's
with headphones (IBM PLAYCD.EXE for OS/2 1.2 came with the drive),
but I have no SCSI HD.

with the CD-ROM at 2,4 or 6; and the HD at cd-rom id -1 (ie: 1, 3 or 5)

I get the following message at boot up:

IBM CD-ROM Driver
  Version 2.01
  No SCSI devices found
SYS1201: Te device driver "C:\OS2\CDROM.SYS" ... was not installed
press enter to continue

Now I have a SCSI HD, but no CD-ROM drive

Can someone please email me some info telling me how to get both devices to
work, and I'll post a summary of what I get.

Thanks in advance,

Bob     tiffany@tron.bwi.wec.com
From: buckler@vnet.ibm.com (Jason Buckler)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 12:57:25 EST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Opinion:  What IBM should change in OS/2
News-Software: UReply 3.1
            <1i9ob9INN4i@hpscit.sc.hp.com>

In <1i9ob9INN4i@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Bruce Kitchin writes:
>:  Actually the only thing I want is an OS/2 that doesn't turn off the
>: NUM-LOCK.
>:
>I'm even willing for it to be an easy-to-set option since there are probably
>still people who prefer it off.
>

I'm one of those folx who, upon any startup, turns off the numlock - I never
use it.  Hate it, matter of fact.  I never have figured out why it gets
turned on in the first place.  Of course, I don't use the "cursor control
keys", either, but I bet you'll find lots of folx who were weened on the
original IBM PC or whatnot keyboard who are the same way.

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From: shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN)
Subject: Trap 000e - any fix???
Keywords: trap 000e
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:07:42 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I sometimes get trap 000e when running DOS applications (such as
Paradox 4.0) under OS/2 2.0 + SP. Is this due to a OS/2 bug?
Is there any fix to this problem?
Thanks.
Minghua Shan
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: MS Pen mice - Are they "serial pointing Devices?"
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:51:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.045604.21007@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>A colleague of mine wants to know if Microsoft Ballpoint mice need special
>drivers for OS/2 or are they just like regular mice......

Regular mice.

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From: ghdai@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 10/92 servpak installation problems
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:49:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

>I tried installing the 10/92 servpak over my OS/2 2.0 ga for the 32 bit
>graphics engine and hopefully svga for my paradise video.  After the
>install, I never got the welcome folder and the folder opening took 3-4
>times longer after the install.  I ended up reformatting the drive and
>reinstalling OS/2.  Has this happened to anyone?  Is the servpak worth
>installing anyway? 

There is no welcome folder at all.  Installing SVGA driver is another thing
than installing the SP.  When the SP is applied, standard VGA driver (new)
is automatically installed to replaced the old one, but you have to use
Selective Install in the System Setup folder of the OS/2 system folder.
Follow the instruction on screen, insert GA version diskettes because OS/2
needs SVGA/XGA display fonts to be copied from them, and finally the
Selective Install will ask you to insert the two Display Driver diskettes
coming with the SP, etc.

After trying the SVGA driver and if you want to return to VGA or to change to
another resolution, you don't need to run Slective Install again.  Instead,
open an OS/2 window session (get an OS/2 command prompt), type DSPINSTL to
run the Display/Install program, which will only install display driver without
asking GA diskettes for display font files.


Guohuan H. Dai
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From: mjn@sbmiclr.cs.sunysb.edu (The Sixth Replicant)
Subject: Re: How to save WPS settings going 2.0 --> 2.1b?
Organization: Tyrell Corp.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:49:40 GMT

In article <1itmft$36f@agate.berkeley.edu> stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton) writes:
>Is this possible in any way? Two suggestions that might work are:
>
>1) Copy Os2.INI and OS2SYS.INI, then copy them back again after installing
>   2.1b
>
>2) Use WPSBKUP
>
>Has anyone tried either of these (successfully)?
>
>Richard Stanton

Well, negative results are informative, also. I tried (2), without success
last night. I had 2.1b going with its rebuilt desktop. I used WPSRestore
to try to restore my (carefully hand-crafted) desktop. When I re-booted,
I got a white screen with a (functional) mouse cursor and nothing else. I
had to hit the big red (well OK, it's white) button and do some major
recovery activity.

I'm skeptical that (1) would work better, since (2) should always do better
than (1).

Certainly it's possible that I had some other problem, but it looks bad for
WPSRestore working for 2.1b.

So I, too, am looking for a way to migrate the desktop to 2.1. I hate to lose
all my settings and have to try to manually recreate them.

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From: danger@acs.bu.edu (jaewon kwak)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: How do you use RAMDRIVE?
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:31:28 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

I've got 8 megs of ram and would want to use it in windows,
but outside of windows, I want to use it as a ramdrive.
Can this be done?  If so, I would appreciate your help
in finding out how.

Thanks
Jae
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: minimized icon differs from program icon
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:54:34 GMT

In article <C0ME4u.KGz@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> calvert@QueensU.CA (John Calvert) writes:
>Objects that I create for programs such as 4dos, WP, etc, don't use the
>same icon when minimized as for the program object. The minimized icon
>always ends up as some variation on the stock dos or os/2 icon. On the
>other hand predefined objects like disk drives and os/2 specific games
>minimize with the same icon as the program itself.

Known bug.  It will hopefully be addressed with the release of OS/2
2.1, but I'm not sure it is even fixed in the current beta.

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From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
Subject: Jump Scrolling in DOS/OS2 Windows?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:02:44 GMT

Remember the thread a few months ago where we all wanted jump scrolling
in windowed DOS and OS2 boxes?  Did anything come of that?  Does 2.1 have
this ability?

Seems sort of stupid that OS/2 can't do this...especially considering that
Windows 3.1 has it.

Eagerly anticipating 2.1GA :)  ...
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Windows NT vs OS/2: Does NT worth the wait?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:22:50 GMT

In <79270@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7692b@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) writes:


>	I realize that this post may very well start a flame war or, worse 
>yet a thread that will have little or anything to do with the answer to this
>question but, hey! this is Usenet!.... So here it goes: I got a 486DX33 and I
>want an OS that makes some real use of the monster under the hood and has 
>nothing to do with a command line :)).... I really like OS/2 as a concept and
>'feel' and I prefer Windows's look, but before I go out and spend around $300
>in mem expansion (I got a sorry 4MB) and OS/2, I need some input on this
>so-talked-about Win NT... How much more of an OS is NT compared to 3.1 and OS2?
>Does it multitasking feel like 3.1 or OS2? How well does it perform? Most
>importantly, what are its hardware requirements? (one of the reasons I am
>having cold feet about OS2 is the magnificent 15MB for minimum installation NOT
>counting the swap files...) When is NT expected approx? So many OSs, just one
>PC.... Thanx everybody in advance....

I haven't used it, but I've talked to enough people who have to form
an opinion.  NT ought to feel like OS/2 rather than Windows, insofar
as multitasking goes.  The interface is supposed to be identical to
Windows 3.1 -- whether this is a lose or a win depends on your opinion
of that interface paradigm.  The hardware requirements for NT can be
expected to be LARGER than for OS/2 -- current marketing information
says a minium of 8 MB for NT (vice 4 MB for OS/2).  I would expect NT
to need about 2-4MB more memory than OS/2 in order to get acceptable
performance (this is currently around 6-8 MB for OS/2).  It also will
not run some DOS programs and older Windows programs that OS/2 will
run.

As for when it will be here, your guess is probably as good as anyone
else's.  I don't really expect it to start shipping before mid-year,
and a lot of people are saying 3 months later than that.  MS, of
course, is avoiding the issue -- the last 'official' statement I heard
was saying late 1Q93, but if the recent Beta is as buggy as some
people say it is, I don't consider that a realistic date.

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