From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The March in D.C. (NEW SIGNATURE!)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:31:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <1992Apr14.115914.20256@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>In <kuk4hlINNlac@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.212509.20522@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:

>>Well, well, well. It looks like we have a new candidate for the David
>>Rasmussen look-alike contest. 

>   WHo the hell is david rasmussen? 

The only person on usenet to behave so badly that he has had a boycott
of his postings. For more information see the attached.

>>So tell us all, Stevie, do you read minds too?

>   yes... As a matter of fact you're thinking of how intelligent and 
>logical I am... ANd I"m flattered. Thanks Eric.

Looks like a sign of Rasmussenitus to me.

>    steve

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Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Boycott of David J. Rasmussen

               Statement on the Boycott of David J. Rasmussen


A large number of participants on talk.abortion have agreed to a boycott
of David J. Rasmussen. The reason this boycott has been implemented is for the
expressed purpose of reducing the amount of "noise" in this news group.
All other participant of talk.abortion are also encouraged to support
this boycott, regardless of their stance on the abortion issue. Should in
time Mr. Rasmussen demonstrate that he has changed his ways, the boycott
will be reconsidered at that time.

It has long been the experience of many of us that David has no
interest in constructive dialog, rather his purpose is to attack others,
to harass, and disrupt. His methods have included threats of legal 
action, slander, distortion, sexism and even racism. He tends to go to 
extremes of rationalization to "prove" a point, then post large numbers of
messages defending these rationalizations which are in turn 
rationalizations, having no foundation in fact. 

Often his arguments are entirely circular, though he goes to great length 
to deny this. When rationalizations have failed, he has often swung to 
opposite extremes, relying on emotionalism devoid of intellectual content.

Note that this boycott is of David J. Rasmussen, not David A. Rasmussen.
                                  ^^^^                    ^^^^
These are two different people and in fact David A. Rasumssen supports this
boycott, objecting to the smearing of his name that was given by David J.
Rasmussen.

I have included a few examples below:

----Threats of legal action:

In article <1990Nov27.190444.26175@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> djr@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (David J. Rasmussen) writes:
>>>This is my final offer of settlement. Otherwise I will be seeking civil
>>>redress. I will not be responding to any of your posts, in as much as
>>>we are apperently going to be seeing each other in court.

----

<1991Jul8.051536.21016@ncsu.edu> (David Rasmussen) writes:
>In article <8208@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> (Dan Schaeffer) writes:
>>David, as you will recall, I challenged you to prove my so-called bigotry to
>>the satisfaction of a majority of the other posters in this group.

>And I stated very clearly that you are anti-religious bigot, and that
>I am willing to document that in civil if you wish. Civil court is
>your one and only court that you drag me into. If you do, I am
>going counter-sue you and win. If you don't, then shut up. If you continue
>your attempts to try me in kangaroo court, I will instigate legal
>action myself.

>I repeat again. I have accurately described you as an anti-religious
>bigot, and therefore have not "slandered" you in any fashion. I
>will not agree to any out-of-court 'settlement' or 'arrangement'
>or 'deal'. I am going to win in civil court. You realize that,
>so you are trying to play games with me. I am not going to play
>any games with you. Put up or shut up.

----Other threats:

In article <1991Jul9.211203.11971@ncsu.edu> djr@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (David Rasmussen) writes:
>In article <1991Jul8.211200.2794@athena.mit.edu>  (James R. Purdon III) writes:
DR>Your liberal incrediability doesn't work any more. It is no longer
DR>capable of *intimidating* conservatives, but does energize conservatives
DR>to redouble their efforts to defeat liberals politically.
JP>And then of course you'll line the liberals up against a wall and shoot them,
JP>in keeping with the gentle, loving person that you are.
DR>You better be able to document this remark Purdon. It is going to be included
DR>in my complaint to MIT. 

----Outright abuse:

>From: djr@csl36h.ncsu.edu (David J. Rasmussen)
>Newsgroups: talk.abortion
>Subject: Re: I'm still waiting for David to answer my question
>Message-ID: <1990Mar22.204728.24920@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu>
>Date: 22 Mar 90 20:47:28 GMT
>References: <1990Mar20.172510.10052@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> <1990Mar22.145906.24833@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
>Reply-To: djr@csl36h.UUCP (David J. Rasmussen)
>Organization: North Carolina State University
>Lines: 19
>
>In article <1990Mar22.145906.24833@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> tak@eecg.toronto.edu (Mike Takefman) writes:
>>\begin{new_post}
>>David, I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you have an
>>inconsistent position. Here is a repost of my last post in case you
>>have lost it.
>>\end{new_post}
>
>I don't give a flying fuck what you think of my position. I object
>to your selfrightous dogmatism. You have this fucked notion that my
>position is inconsistant. You then keeping repeating this fucking lie
>that I have not answered your fucking question. You have beeen a fucking
>obnoixious prick to me. Your line of questioning has been rude. You
>have systematically put words into my mouth. I have been patient enough
>with your abusive questioning. 
>
>Get this through your fucking head. I think your an ignorant
>selfrighteous dogmatic prick when can not be reasoned with.
>
>FUCK YOU!!!

[The following text is in response to the boycott message]

>In article <1991Feb3.074151.22760@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> djr@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (David J. Rasmussen) writes:
>
>Fuck you Mike Takefman where ever you are!

----Emotionalism:

>Subject: The Boston Marathon
>
>Each year in America 1,600,000 children are killed before they are born.
>Imagine laying down their corpses side by side, allow one inch per
>corpse. That would be 1,600,000 inches, which is 133,333 feet, which
>nearly the length of the Boston Marathon.
>
>Imagine running the length of those corpses. Imagine the training and
>decication needed to be able to run such a distance. Imagine the callous
>indifference needed to kill that many babies!
>
>-David
>
>Mommie, thank you for not murdering me before I was born!

----Racism:

>In article <1990Nov28.131809.18853@cbnewsj.att.com>, decay@cbnewsj.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
> In article <1990Nov28.002139.835@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, anne@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>>>djr@cslvs1.csl.ncsu.edu (David J. Rasmussen) writes:
>> 
>>>>You can't deny that you have called marrying blacks "flaky," 
>> 
>>>But you fail to note the context. The context was in reference to
>>>a "flaky" poster who insisted that I grant her easy virtue for marrying
>>>a black person.

----Slander:

>In article <1990Dec10.013147.15092@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> djr@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (David J. Rasmussen) writes:
>No Patrick, I come up with good points. You threaten the mothers
>of infant children with physical violence.

----Intolerance and bigotry:

>From: djr@cslvs4.csl.ncsu.edu (David J. Rasmussen)
>Newsgroups: talk.abortion
>Subject: Re: Fetal mortality is irrelevant to "personhood"
>Message-ID: <1990Dec11.013110.18075@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu>
>Date: 11 Dec 90 01:31:10 GMT
>
>I am not out to debate Russell Lawrence. I am out to demonstrate his
>personal and moral defectiveness. Take a look at the "pro-choicers"
>on this net. Three are pagans[William Turnbow, stormwind, Eric Marsh],
>including a priest of the Wicca religion[Marsh].  We also have a
>scientologist [Rod VW], and a had a buddist[Menthers]. We have an
>advocate of polygomy[P&MD], an advocate of infanticide[Dean Benjamin].
>We have several posters who don't capitalize [keegan,"c",stormwind].
>We have posters who send e-mail threats of violence [Humphrey]. We
>have a couple of reformed Randriods [Eileen, Rod Again]. And of course
>we have Libertarians [Humphrey]. And several pseudo-intellectuals with
>books destined for vanity publishers [Rod yet again, and P&MD]. Doesn't
>this bother you?

----Rationalizing, intellectual dishonesty:

Subject: Re: Mike never claimed that he thought circumsized penises look better!
Date: 10 Apr 91 16:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: djr@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (David Rasmussen)

<1991Apr9.194217.12792@athena.mit.edu> (James R. Purdon III) writes:
><1991Apr5.041028.9237@ncsu.edu> (David Rasmussen) writes:
>><4280@bnr-rsc.UUCP> (Mike Takefman) writes:
>>>See David, you tell the world that you think abortion is murder,

>>I have never once claimed this. I have repeatedly explained to you
>>why I do not. Yet you keep repeatly telling me that I do, under
>>a *deliberate* misrepresentation of my position. I have answered
>>this repeatly, I will not answer it again other than by noting that
>>you are *deliberately* lying about my position.

>>Thanks momma for not executing me in the womb!

>David writes that he never claimed that abortion was murder,

Correct.

>and then he has a signature that suggests exactly the opposite. 

Incorrect.

Webster's:

"Murder"

1)- Kill with premeditated malice.

2)- Kill barbarously.

Sorry, abortion is both "muder" [2)], and not "murder" [1)].

----Doublespeak:

Subject: Re: what is the argument
Date: 16 Apr 91 14:38:23 GMT
Reply-To: djr@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu.UUCP (David Rasmussen)

Real freedom means learning how to want what you should want,
when you should want it, because you should want to do so.


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This is just a preliminary sampling of Rasmussen's postings. 

I (Eric Marsh) want to state at this time that I am solely responsible for 
putting together this statement. I wish to encourage feedback from others 
in the refining of this statement. As time passes, this document will evolve.

There have been many people who have expressed their support of this
boycott. However, I am only signing this document with the names of those
who have stated that I can do so. I am certain that this list will increase
as time goes by. It should also be understood that some of those who sign
this document may not agree completely with its contents, though I intend
to correct that as time goes by.

----

We the undersigned wish to encourage all participants of talk.abortion
not to respond to any messages of David J. Rasmussen, in the hope that
talk.abortion will become a more civilized forum for the discussion of
the abortion issue.

Eric Marsh                Galen J. Hekhuis       Raistlin Majere 	
Eleanor Orlando           Barry Schwartz         C J Silverio
Russell Lawrence          Sue Price              David Olson 
Janet Christian           William Turnbow        Alison R. Carter
Angela Braithwaite        andrew f. hampe        Eileen Ejdys 
Rod Van Mechelen          Sally A. Bowley        Charlene Abrams
Marcus Dolengo            bonnie l. boyd         David Wright 
Kerry Culp                Dze Tveaker            Bob Woodman
Steve Novak               Cathi A. Cook (rocker) Beth Crespo 
Terry Labach              stormwind              Jennifer Brindle
Vickie Boyd               Darren McGeary         Lynne Ragazzini 
Ian Batten                Terry Bermes           Thomes Ruschak
Bear Giles                Elson Markwick         David A. Rasmussen
Julie Murphy              Loren Petrich               ^^^^
Nigel Tzeng               T. Geller              Mark Isaak
Naja Adolf (Naja Naja)    Scott Safier           Susan Garvin
Bill Nelson               Seth J. Bradley        Anneliese Lilje
Kathi Mills               brad dalton            Bo-Yin Yang (The Net.Undead)
J. David Bavousett        Sue Bishop             Muriel Nelson
Keith Cochran             valerie ohm            David R. Conrad
Patricia Cuocco

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