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From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Source devicedriver SLIP/CSLIP for DEC/Ultrix wanted
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:48:24 GMT

Hi Bob,

   I just replied to a post re:SLIP refering to MST but I forgot your e-mail
address.  Here is a copy of the post, perhaps you should contact him.

 
To: dcm@csn.org
Subject: Re: RS/6000 SLIP to Annex?
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <Bu0oIy.FtB@csn.org> you write:
>We have a customer that wants to run SLIP on a RS/6000.  Apparently
>the SLIP that came with AIX can't handle the three prompts our Annex
>requires to login.  The other option is to port a public domain SLIP
>to the RS/6000.  Any experience here greatly appreciated - please
>mail me as I don't frequent this group.
>
>	David Menges, Colorado SuperNet, dcm@csn.org, 303-273-3471.

David,


  There is an outfit called MorningStar Technology in either Clevland or
Cincinnati OH.  They sell a commercail PPP (like SLIP but better).  I have
used it with Sun O/S and was VERY, VERY pleased.  They have great tech support
as well.  The price of the product is around $400.00. 


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
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From: richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Digital News and Review's irresponsible attitude
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:22:16 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:


#>Anyway, the VUP is a unit of power.

Let's not confuse the issue with unnecessary detail.


#>It's nice to have the unit of power in a unit that you are familiar with.
#>However, if you are comparing a group of computers (or cars), the units
#>are irrelevant.

Perhaps they are irrelevant to you.  Believe it or not, some people
(obviously not quite the established Computer Scientist you are)
like to make comparison to a REFERENCE STANDARD (SPECmarks), so they can
compare machines, regardless of vendor.  How can they do this with MicroVUPs?
(That's right, Einstein, tell me how many MicroVUPs an IBM RS6000 has!
That's exactly the information I'm looking for!)

#>You can tell by looking at the numbers that computer X
#>is 5 times as "fast" as computer Y.

You're just using those complex formulas because you know I left my Star Trek
decoder ring at home.


#>All of DR's reviews are based on relative stats.  The machines capable of X
#>are always shown with stats relative to a DS3000.

DR's "reviews" (and I use the word loosely), are essentially an advertisement.
I'm sure performance relative to a DS3000 is valuable to you, but most
people who a) use VMS which b) only runs on VAXes and Alpha, would probably
be more interested in how many SPECmarks a DS3000 has, not MicroVUPs.


#>>#> For a long time, the uVAX II had the largest installed base of any VAX  
#>>Really?  Care to quantify what you mean by a "long time"?  Last time I
#>>checked, the MVII sold well from 87-89, but since then, I'm sure it has
#>>been overtaken by MV3100, VAXstation 3100, etc.
#>So?  Is it any worse a comparison point than the VAX-11/780?

"Worse"?  The point is, you academic flunky, that MicroVUPs are MACHINE
SPECIFIC.  SPECmarks are machine and platform independent.  If you think
MicroVUPs are so great, why not have MicroVAX3100VUPS?  How about
VAXstationVUPs?  


#>You might notice that Digital doesn't use MVUPs.

No shit.  And the reasons they don't are exactly the reasons I have made
quite clear.
-- 
richard@npri6.npri.com  <Richard Head>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: cja@chmist.zso.dec.com (Carl J. Appellof)
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.2: Getting DAT to rewind/eject when full at EOT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.212740.14989@wsm.com> root@wsm.com (System Manager) writes:

>   Also we are going to be using DEC's NSR (Legato Networker repackaged
> by DEC) does anyone have experience knowing if NSR will accomplish the above
>   where a BACKUP exceeds tape capacity and spans multiple volumes?

DECnsr V2.0 (out soon) will handle tape changing with loaders.

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+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
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| Open Systems Group            |                               |
| Digital Equipment Corporation	|	This space for rent	|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: cks@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu (Chris Siebenmann)
Subject: Re: Swapping monitors AFTER the initial ULTRIX install
Organization: Ziebmef home away from home
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:59:45 GMT

 DEC, in their infinite wisdom, decided that if you had a graphics
adapter on the machine you're installing on they should remove all the
servers except the one appropriate to the adapter. You're going to
have to extract the subset manually if you need to support the fancy
graphics cards, I think; I don't remember finding an automatic way of
telling the installation process 'shut up and leave them all there'.
I'm not certain what it does on diskless client software loads; I
suppose I should reread the installation script.

 Or you could just punt and run X11R5.

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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: net.views -- What is an "Open System"?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:20:42 GMT
	<BuCytz.1IG@world.std.com> <1992Sep10.145509.6695@decuac.dec.com>
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die

Let me use Marcus's comment as a jumping-off point; this is not a personal
attack.

> What makes having the hardware documented "Open"?? It seems to
> me that you're defining an "Open System" as any system which you can
> *FIX* yourself if you don't like what the vendor's done with it. Some
> of us prefer to just change vendors.

I'm a system programmer, so that biases my opinions.  I certainly want
to be able to fix broken software.  I also want the option of not
running the vendor's software; not all of us are buying Application
Delivery Vehicles.  Changing vendors would be a good idea if there were
any vendors not currently selling ADVs (I think MIPS was the last,
though possibly HP still qualifies).

But my real objection to the abuse of the term "open system" has less
to do with computing than with linguistic abuse.  Computing is
notorious for linguistic abuse and content-free buzzwords, but this
case is pretty astonishing even by the lax standards of computing.
Here we have two simple English words.  "System" of course became
content-free years ago and now means little more than "a bag of stuff"
(or as Stan Kelly-Bootle puts it in The Devil's DP Dictionary, "any old
ratbag of incompatible components").  The word "open" has all sorts of
warm fuzzy connotations of goodness (not counting Sun's innovation of
Open Security, which culminated in the 386i: `pahss-words?  we don't
need no steenkin' pahss-words.'), which vendors clearly want to tap,
yet it actually has denotations, notably "not closed or blocked up or
sealed or locked", "not covered or concealed or restricted" and "frank,
communicative" (The Oxford Paperback Dictionary).  I am deeply and
negatively impressed that Sun or SGI can call their systems "open", wth
straight faces, when they don't offer anything comparable to the
Digital PDP-11/70 Processor Handbook, which described the instruction
set, addressing and memory management unit, memory system, floating
point processor, I/O controllers, console, kernel memory map including
device addresses, and device register bit layouts, in sufficient detail
to implement an operating system when read in conjunction with the
Peripherals Handbook, and without "open system" hype, and all in only
276 pages.

But perhaps I am being naive and old-fashioned and should look instead
at the other meanings of "open": "admitting visitors or customers",
"with wide spaces between solid parts", and "not yet settled or
decided" (The Oxford Paperback Dictionary again).

``Kiss the ladies, shake hands with the fellows,
and it's Open For Business like a cheap bordello'' - Bruce Cockburn
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff

``Leave the evil grasping to us.'' - A. L. Arms, UNIX licensing, WECo.
From: j.perry@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Jeffrey Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: How to connect a TU80 Tape drive to a Vax 11/730 PLS HELP
Summary: Seeking help connected two Tape donated tape drives to our vax
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:40:11 GMT
Followup-To: j.perry@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA


    The Northeastern University Amateur Radio club recently received a 
  a donation of two TU80 tape drives from the College of Computer Science
  (also at NU) Now, our task is to learn how to connect them to our 
  vax 11/730. Can anyone tell me what, if any,  special cards we will need
  for the Vax? Will the TU80 even work with a vax 11/730?

    	Thanks in advance for your help!

    	    	Jeffrey Perry, N1ILY
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From: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,ba.market.computers
Subject: WANTED: source for used VAX systems.
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:56:21 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I'm looking for a dealer or reseller (preferably in the Bay Area) that
deals in used/refurbished small VAX systems such as the microVAX and 
VAXstation.  I am mostly interested in older, less expensive systems
that are still fairly functional and capable of running VMS.

-- 
John Sullivan, Engineer/Computer Development.   Email: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com.
Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA.               Phone: (408)746-4688.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: ecldco@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.C. Loyd)
Subject: QDSS 4-plane graphics controller cab kit wanted
Originator: ecldco@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:08:16 GMT

We've recently decided to reuse an old QDSS 4-plane graphics controller
in one of our small Q-bus machines.  Problem is, in the past two years,
the cab kit seems to have sprouted little cab kit legs, and walked out 
of the building.

Does anyone either have one they would be willing to sell (cheaply),
know where I can get one (cheaply), or know what pin outs are involved
so I can make one (even cheaper)?

-Eric

-- 
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Rochester Institute of Technology       FAX:   (716) 475-5306
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From: pjc@cc.ic.ac.uk (Peter Churchyard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Using Decstation 3100 as Xterminal (Minimal Ultrix Setup)
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:18:29 GMT
Organization: Imperial College

Re SWAP SPACE:

There is no linkage between the size of your real memory and the size of 
swap space!! You need to allocate enough swap space for the processes you
want to run regardless of how much real memory you have.

Linking swap and real only causes great confusion for those non computer
literate users.

Pete.
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From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,alt.sys.sun,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:04:33 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <BuCytz.1IG@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
>The last open system I used actively was a VAX 750; the hardware was
>documented sufficiently well that one could write operating system code
>for it (without having to beg, grovel, sign non-disclosure agreements,
>bribe your vendor, sue your vendor, or sell your soul to the devil).
>Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff



If Open is intended to mean accessable then the hardware (as described
above) must be documented, the standard system software (including compilers
and assemblers) should be documented and available in source form for a
reasonable price and tcp/ip/whatever network interface must be
available/documented/etc.  

The trouble is Open has been taken over by the marketing droids and who
knows what it means now?

(BTW I don't expect ALL the s/w to be available in source form, just the
basic stuff.  If some company has worked hard to create an enhanced C
compiler with, for instance, really nifty code optimization technique then
they probably deserve to keep it to themselves for a while -- so long as the
old C compiler remains available and usable.) 

  
-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
From: gleason@mwk.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: WNT
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:40:54 GMT
Organization: M. W. Kellogg, Houston TX



  Speaking of WNT, I only need to know one thing about to tell if it is
worth my time...did Cutler include a QIO system call, and if he did, is
it in a near identical format to every other DEC system he was involved in?

  GIven that one call, and his reputation for only writing one style
of OS, everything I am interested in in an OS will follow automatically.

  Surely someone out there has a developer's pre release version by now...

Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
gleason@mwk.uucp
From: matthew@cadbury.reading.sgi.com (Matthew Slingsby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: File transfer software (Doesn't have to be public domain)
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:57:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I am currently doing some work for a SGI customer and they wish to
transfer
data via modems to their supplier who uses DEC equipment.

The supplier does not have SGI equipment and I have no intention of trying
to sell them any! However, I am trying to find some software that would
allow the UNIX based SGI machines to transfer files to these VAX systems.

There are two possible locations for the modem. One is an old PDP11/44 and
the other is a VAXStation 4000. I would be interested to hear what
products
are available for either platform to do file transfer over modems,
particularly
if they are geared towards communicating with UNIX machines, 
e.g. UUCP emulation.

Please E-mail me with any recommended sources of this kind of product. 
Many thanks,
Matthew

-- 
Matthew Slingsby, CSD,        |   The truth's not a curtain,
Silicon Graphics Ltd, UK      |     To be drawn back and forth,
matthew@reading.sgi.com       |       It's a flame that keeps burning,
M/S  IUK-311  vmail-B 8163    |         Everlasting torch. - Tony Clarkin
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From: cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: Help needed to resurrect my 11/785....
Keywords: 11/785 Unibus Help
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:34:00 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

I have an 11/785 (of which I'm rather fond :-) which is one member of
our main cluster along with 2 8800s. It has been off maintenance now for
about 18months and I guess we all expected it to have expired long ago,
but it has run faultlessly until this weekend. After crashing about 12
times in as many hours, it has rebooted, but it no longer sees any of
the peripherals installed in the Unibus.

I spoke to our friendly DEC engineer and he suggested reseating the
DW780, checking the cables from the SBI to the Unibus cabinet and also
checking the voltage levels in the Unibus. I have done all this but to
no avail :-(

I have run the micro diagnostics and get a failure in ETKAR (version 3.3) 
in test 57. The error message is "%TIMEOUT IN TEST 020C PTC=123C". I'm
sure this means something to someone, but without access to a manual
it's just a little difficult....

In addition, when the system is booted and running VMS, if I run SYSGEN
and do a SHOW/CONFIG all I see is the CI and not the DW or the RH that's
in there too. Does this indicate a DW failure rather than a problem with
the Unibus box itself?

Any help would be truely appreciated as this 785 was originally
purchased (as a 780) in 1980, making it one of the oldest VAXes in
Australia.
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  Computing Services   | Phone: +61 3 479 1500   Fax: +61 3 479 1999
  La Trobe University  | I own an Alfa to keep me poor in a monetary
  Melbourne Australia  | sense, but rich in so many other ways
From: lsgriffith@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: OpenVMS, OSF/1, Windows NT...oh my!
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:24:49 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia



This is my first posting to this newsgroup so I hope this is appropriate.

I am curious which operating systems DEC plans to put on which
machines.  I understand that the "alpha chip" will be able to run 
OSF/1, OpenVMS and Windows NT.  What I want to know is will the same
physical machine be capable of running any one of the three?  In other 
words could I buy an alpha workstation, load OSF/1 on it and then later
decide I would rather use that machine to run OpenVMS  (ie. take off
OSF/1 and load OpenVMS).  Could I do the same for Windows NT?  Would
the peripherals, memory etc. be a problem?  My understanding is that 
OSF/1 and OpenVMS will be interchangable but Windows NT may not be.  
I further understand that the Windows NT portability is a 
"marketing issue" which was still under consideration.  I was also 
informed that I should voice my opinion to DEC...so here goes.

I think it would be a very strong and positive strategic statement for
DEC to have one box capable of running all THREE operating systems!
What other workstation would be able to boast such flexibility?
I am not interested in starting a flame war (especially at my own 
expense!) but am interested in other peoples views on this issue.  
I am especially interested in what DEC has to say.

Thanks in advance to any input you can provide!

Livia


Disclaimer:

  1.  I do not claim to be a computer expert, so if I am out in   
      left field on this one please ignore this posting.

  2.  I have no clue what my employers views are, so I could not
      possibly be voicing them.

 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.arch
From: grunwald@mumble.cs.colorado.edu (Dirk Grunwald)
Subject: Pixie output format
Reply-To: grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:35:40


Does anyone know the output format for i/d traces using pixie on a
DECstation?

Thanks.


Dirk Grunwald                          Asst. Prof, Univ. of Colorado at Boulder
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen)
Subject: Upgrade of old processors..
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 20:48:39 EDT


  Has there been any announcement or rumours about a cpu upgrade for
3200/3500/3600 type Vaxen with a new Alpha chip ?

  It would seem not to terrible an idea, or not to terribly hard a 
upgrade to provide...  

al



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From: burrsie@tgevax.life.uiuc.edu (Burr Nelson)
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:47:39 GMT

mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum) writes:

>If you ask which vendor has the greatest commitment to [openity], then you're 
>an idiot or worse.

Although I'm inclined to agree with you I must confess that after 3 months
of tinkering with beta and a week and a half with gamma that my money is on
BSDI vending their port of BSD 4.3, served with lawyer flambe or a la carte. 

-Burr

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From: george@tusk.med.harvard.edu (George Planansky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: need Non-Interactive dump for RISC Ultrix 4.2
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:08:26 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School, Boston MA

The Ultrix 4.2 dump seems to insist on asking inane
interactive questions like 

  `` Is la-de-da disk mounted ("yes" or "no") ''

Have I got this right?  

If so, I understand why DEC thought exabyte drives weren't all 
that advantageuous.

I'd be most grateful to know how to use the Ultrix dump
in batch mode, or if it really is braindead, for a 
pointer to a non-interactive dump command like the
one on SGIs and Suns.  

Thanks in advance.
--
George Planansky
Department of Biological Chemistry & Molecular Pharmacology
Harvard University Medical School, 240 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115
email: gplanansky@tusk.med.harvard.edu
phone: (617) 432-3919
fax:   (617) 432-4360
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: net.views -- which vendor is the most open?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:26:23 GMT

In article <7286@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> In article <BuCytz.1IG@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
|> >The last open system I used actively was a VAX 750; 

|> there's a company building open systems by this definition: IBM. The 
|> System/3x0 hardware is documented completely There are even cloners who
|> work from nothing but those books.

Yeah, and third party suppliers of both DEC VAX and IBM equipment have faced
lawsuits from the original suppliers.  Normally because they were doing it better and cheaper.... hardly seems that open.

You could mention Sun with it's SPARC chipset, but wait - Sun has instructed 
its dealer network not to handle third party products which compete directly
with its product range.


"Open Systems" like "Mission Critical Apps" seems to be MIS Manager speak for
"Cover Your Arse Systems When Things Go Wrong".  Well it did say Mission
Critical Open Systems Application on the box !


David.
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