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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:57:58 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <Bxv6xA.s3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:

>>>let's see how about the regulars - Jeremy Brett, Jack Nicholson, Michael 
>>>Keaton (NOT!), Mike Meyers (Excellent!), John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, 
>>>Denholm Elliot, Rowan Atkinson (who would name their child Rowan?), Hugh 

>  
>  ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE SUGGESTED ARE AMERICAN.
>  SORRY, BUT THE DOCTOR IS A BRIT, BE IT BY TRADITION OR JUST PLAIN ACTING
>  ABILITY.
>  THE CASTING OF AN AMERICAN TO THE ROLE IS THE CLOSEST THING TO HERESY...BEWARE
>  THE ODD FLASH OF LIGHTNING!!!
>  (next youll be suggesting SLy stallone, Costner or Arnie..jeez!)

Ouch, turn down the volume!  The "regulars" as I call them are people that 
have been mentioned by others as possible choices for the Doctor.  I am 
sorry that I did not see the news that Denholm Elliot passed away - he was 
one of my favorite stuffed shirt actors.  One of the best butler type 
characters since Arthur Treacher.

I would rather have my spleen extracted with a melon-baller than even think 
of suggesting Sylvester (Not Sly in my book) Stallone, Kevin (Not his butt) 
Costner or Arnie be the Doctor.

But stranger things have happened.  Look who finally got cast as Batman, 
not some one I would have picked.

How about Nigel Terry?  Or one of the Pythons? John Cleese as the Doctor - 
"Doctor what's wrong?"  "Nothing, this is the way I've always walked"

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

Get back to work, DeAnna!
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From: smackinnon@mta.ca
Subject: Tom Baker's wardrobe
Reply-To: smackinnon@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:23:50 GMT

During the Tom Baker years, The Doctors outfit seemed to change
from multi colored, to garnet and then back to regular colors.
What was the reason for this?
	thanks in advance
qshawn
smackinnon@mta.ca
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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:57:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>How about Nigel Terry?  Or one of the Pythons? John Cleese as the Doctor - 
>"Doctor what's wrong?"  "Nothing, this is the way I've always walked"

Actually, I could see Cleese doing a good job of playing the Doctor
reasonably straight. Of course, he'd still have Cleese's sense of
humor (humour?), but he wouldn't go around attacking people with her-
rings or anything like that. I think it would be much more _apropos_
for him to play the role of a serious if somewhat odd Doctor rather
than a Monty Python spoof of the Doctor.

>Get back to work, DeAnna!

Um, what show are you watching? :=)

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)

Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:19:36 -0500 
From: Robert Everett Brunskill <rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Who'd make a good Who?

I don't really follow up on actors much, but here's my input, it's not
great, but it's just my input.

For the Doctor - The guy who played Buckaroo Banzai (I can't remember
his name), um, just a suggestion, I can't really remember seeing him in
much else though, so I can't really elaborate at the moment.

For the Master - someone said Connery.  Oooo.  That'd be good.

Better suggestion for the Doctor - Me!  Of course!  Did you expect any less?

I mean the Doctor can't just be a good actor (although it helps), he has
to be unique, he just has to be the Doctor before you say "He's a
Doctor".

Rob Brunskill
----
"I want peace on Earth and good will to men."
"What?"
"I want peace on Earth and good will to men."
"We are the United States Government - we do not deal in that sort of thing."
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: the five doctors
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:27:03 -0600
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> When the second Doctor and the Brigadier are in the tower, they
> come across holograms of Jamie and Zoe.  The Doctor realizes that
> they can't be real, because they have been sent back to their own
> time stream with their memories erased, and therefore would not 
> remember him.  (Of course, he ignores the fact that they could
> have been timescooped from before there memories were erased,
> but that's easily ignored; he assumes they would have told him
> about the experience.)  The problem is, that right after (and
> I mean immediately) they are returned to their time, the TimeLords
> force a regeneration on him; he now lookes like Jon Pertwee.  :-)
> [This happened in WarGames].  The point is, he did not do any
> travelling in the TARDIS, with the face of his 2nd regeneration,
> after learning what happened to Jamie and Zoe.  He should not
> have known!  Furthermore, either he is scooped when he is
> travelling with them (so they should be with him), or he is
> scooped before he knows them (and he should not recognize them).
> It is this assumption that he knows everything that has happened
> to him later that is inconsistent.  (I mean, if he can't even
> remember being there previously as the First Doctor, and can't
> remember that it is a trap that Borusa should be caught in, as
> the First Doctor deduces, then how can he remember something
> that hasn't happened yet?)
> 
>  Anyone want to explain this one?
> 
> From Neal Smith (nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com)



Sure thing.  A real pleasure fella!

We also know from dialog the Second Doctor has with the Brigadier that
he does now in "The Five Doctors" recall the events that happened
in "The Three Doctors," as they say "Don't forget Omega."
Also in "The Three Doctors," the Doctor all make mind-links at various
times in the story for rapid communications between the two or
three.  It seems logical to me that during these communications,
the Second Doctor could take a nanosecond to ask the Third if Jamie and
Zoe are alright or what happened to them or why the Third seems to
have blocks on his time travel knowledge....etc.
So, that is when the Second could have learned of Jamie and Zoe's
being sent home and memoryu erasure.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make THE BEST Who???
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:28:10 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <hnz1n2#@rpi.edu>, danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.123723.6444@gw.wmich.edu>, 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> [speculation on the BEST next Doctor deleted...]
> 
How about Robin Williams (if he doesn't do Mork.)
From: tellenburg@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Drewester, or whatever
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:38:32 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

I am sorry to upset you about Sarah Jane.  It's just a personal opinion.  At
least I finally got someone to talk to me.  She is ok for a sidekick, I just
don't like her as much as the others.  Just like I don't like colin as much as
the others.
	Biting me (as a vampire) will do no good, however.  I am a vampire, in
the name of Anne Rice.  I can hold my own.

	So you like Sarah Jane . . . what other Who characteristics do you 
like?  Maybe we can gain some common ground before you start a flame war.



	Timelady Rogaenon
		A time to laugh, a time to cry
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace? More like deuce... here's a new slant
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:58:44 GMT
 <1992Nov13.220639.12628@wam.umd.edu> <1992Nov14.070414.3525@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov14.070414.3525@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> In <1992Nov13.220639.12628@wam.umd.edu> jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (The Maven) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Nov13.175103.18475@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
>>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
[stuff deleted]

>>Finally, Leela was an alien.  I know the rest of you like to relate to 
Leela was quite human, she may have been from a diffrent culture but she 
was the decendant of the humans who had been stranded on another plannet. 
She was not an alien. 

[even more stuff deleted]
From: G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr Who
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:53:26 GMT


 
Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes:
>To change the subject... I notice that the BBC is showing another Jon
>Pertwee story (in five parts) starting next Friday (20/11) at 7.15pm.  This
>seems to be a "bonus", since we were only promised one story per doctor.
 
Also, this week UK GOLD are showing the Hartnell stories "Planet of
the Giants" and "The Rescue". The five episodes will be shown at 5.30
p.m. running from Monday to Friday. Hurrah!!
 
When were these last transmitted to a UK audience? It's about time we
started getting material that hasn't been seen for so long.
 
UK GOLD has already shown (and repeated) three entire stories in the
first two weeks of transmission (An Unearthly Child, Edge of
Destruction & The Aztecs). Unfortunately, their treatment of the end
credits and the need to stick UK GOLD in the bottom right corner
somewhat intrudes. I hope they keep transmitting rare Who though.
(Did anybody see the Sunday repeats - start and end credits hacked
off? And what about the scheduling!! The slot was supposed to end at
11am but went on to about 11.40. At least Dr. Who seems to be getting
priority - they showed both Edge and the Aztecs!)
 
Plus on Friday we will have TWO channels broadcasting Dr. Who on the
same day - is this a record?
 
Graham
G.Roberts@uk.ac.ucl.cs
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From: phbob@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Phbob)
Subject: Autographed Dr. Who stuff
Originator: phbob@nick.csh.rit.edu
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:38:41 GMT


I went digging through one of my old storage boxes at home and uncovered
four autographed Dr. Who books and a videotape.  Since I unfortunately no
longer watch the show, I figured that the books might be better off in
another home.


The Five Doctors by Terrence Dicks
     signed by Terrence Dicks

Dr. Who and the Sunmakers by Terrence Dicks
     signed by Louise Jameson (Leela)

Race Against Time (a make your own adventure book) by Pip & Jane Baker
    signed by Colin Baker

Dr. Who Omnibus (hardbound):
        Dr. Who and the Space War
        Dr. Who and the Web of Fear
        Dr. Who and the Revenge of the Cybermen
     signed by Tom Baker AND Patrick Troughton (sp)

VIDEOTAPE: 
       Myth Makers #5 - Janet Fielding (Tegan Jovanka)
       hour long interview, bought at convention
       not a dupe-job, comes in a neat box with her picture on it.    
       VHS/NTSC only played 2 or 3 times.

I would like to sell them as a set for $150.  I will consider other
offers (I have a min in mind), this is just my asking price.
I will also consider offers for individual pieces.

I can personally vouch for the authenticity of each autograph since
I personally stood in line for each and every one of the buggers.
In fact they are all personalized to me.  The Troughton autograph I got
in Philly or Trenton (I forget) but anywhay it was about 2 or 3 months
before he died.

thanks.....
Bob


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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15: 23:34 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: drh2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:20:21 GMT

In article <torresce.722104385@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Carlos E. Torres,
torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu writes:
>I'm not sure what you're saying here???  The TimeLords have had their
barrier up
>for a very long time (atleast thousands).  How could a mere spaceship
head
>over there as you say and just take it over just like that.  First of
all,
>even before they inducted their barrier - they were a force to contend
with 
>b'cse of their knowledge.  After all, the TimeLords must have been
atleast 
>somewhat devious (as a race) to create and play games using the Time
Scoop /
>Death Zone, etc...  But regardless of this, their barrier has been up for
>a very, very long time.
>		Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)

The barrier's  purpose is to prevent someone from time travelling to the
wrong period on Gallifrey. I don't think it does a lot to stop people
from scooting around within the correct time period and materialize on
Gallifrey. In Deadly Assassin, the doctor materializes right smack dab in
the middle and the TimeLords have no opportunity to stop him. 
If we existed at the same time as Gallifrey and moseyed on over there,
the barrier wouldn't stop us becasue we would be in the correct time.

But I suppose there could be additional defensive barriers. You're right
in that my reasoning's a little shaky.
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From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22: 17:04 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: drh2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:14:01 GMT

In article <torresce.721950213@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Carlos E. Torres,
torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu writes:
>In response to what someone else posted - sorry I lost the note...
>I doubt Rassilon could be originally from Earth (or Omega) or anybody
else from
>Earth's fu ture!   First of all, the TimeLord as a race have a different 
>physionomy than humans.  It is alot to accept that humans developed two
hearts 
>naturally!  And even if it were unnatural (artificial) - to make it
hereditary 
>is quite a mystery as to why they would even want to

It was my suggestion. Maybe you need two hearts to regenerate. In any
case I can easily see the advantages of Gallifreyan biology. Wouldn't you
like thirteen lives, limited telepathy, and the ability to make people
around you understand one another, regardless of language?

>Besides, they are not necessariy in the 
>Earth's future!  In Mawdryn Undead (yes I'm daring to bring it up again!
 :) ),
>the aliens/Gallifreyans (to remian neutral) have been trapped there for
3000 
>years.  The transmat capsule takes them to Earth in 1976 (?) or
somewhere 
>around there.  Which means that the society of Timelords has existed
atleast 
>since BC times! And more likely Eons before!
>	Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)
>
>PS  I just remembered another reference...Sutek recognized what a
TimeLord was,
>and he had been trapped for 7000 years under the Eye of Horus.  I'm sure
there
>are other references to use, but my brain is fried right now!  :)

Well, this is not something I am clear on. If Gallifrey did exist in our
time, what's stopping a spaceship from just heading on over there and
taking it over? And Sutek recognizing the TimeLords proves only that
there are many renegades who make their presence known throughout time
and space.

I would appreciate anyone's input on just when Gallifrey exists!
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From: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cray Communications)
Subject: Re: Missing episode list
Reply-To: rad@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:35:40 +0000


re Galaxy 4 in Tibetan
re my last message

I have now heard supporting evidence from another source that this 
might be being recovered in either Turkish or Arabic. Since that is 
now two independant people coming up with similar(ish) rumours I have 
stepped up hope on this one.

Keep your fingers crossed.
--

Richard Develyn from Hastings, Sussex, England ( rad@cix.compulink.co.uk ).
Software engineer (datacomms) for Cray Network Systems. Married to Caroline.
Baby daughter Sophie (b. 3/11/92). Hobbies: Dr Who, FRPG, SF, Curry,
quality computer games, philanthropic discussions.
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:26:26 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <1992Nov16.122558.12932@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>Colin Baker and the 6th Doctor were great, so give them a fair go.

Well said mate...

Daniel.
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Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:28:18 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

dc@ohm.york.ac.uk (Dave Cullen) writes:

> 
>    As a strong contender for a new Who, howsabout Richard O'Brien (of Rocky
> Horror fame), currently to be seen in Britain in his Crystal Maze show.
> 
>   One WELL WIERD bloke!
> 
>  Dave

Could be intersting.  Although I always thought of the Doctor as having wild
hair, in some way or another.  But NO hair??  Definatly quite a change.
Although how about as the new voice of K9?
"The Master is not married, nor do I think he ever will be, I am simply his...
servant".   :)

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: video release dates
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:44:32 EST


 Could someone post me what the video release dates were for all the DW
videos that are now on the shelves? I'm interested in knowing the dates
for UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and USA (I'm sure some dates are
bundled with two and/or three countries together).

 This information will be useful for the DWIN archives.

Thank-you for any participation.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
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Subject: Re: Dracula
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:46:28 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
<other stuff about Anthony Hopkins as the Doctor deleted>
> Yes!  I do.  He would be an interesting Doctor....and can probably do wonders
> against the Haemovores and would get along well with the Androgums....
> 
> Steven.K.Manfred

He he he, yes he would get along with the Androgums.
 
Doctor:  Excuse me Ace, I hope you don't mind, but I'm having an old friend
         for dinner.

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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: the doctor is... 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:27:28 GMT

1-4514@tardis.cojones.com (The Dm #1 @4514) writes:
>I would have some difficulty with this idea because of the fact that the 
>Master and the Rani have both admitted that they were contempary students
>with the Doctor when he went by his original Gallifreyan name.  So no I don't
>Think that the Doctor could be a contemparary of Rassilon, although I will
>credit the idea of his tardis having been used by Rassilon, the Doctor and 
>others imply that the type 40 that he stole I mean borrowed had been 
>decomisioned when he borrowed it.  Some of Hartnells and Troughtons comments 
>give the impression that he left Gallifrey very quickly and had no intention
>of ever returning.

Actually, in An Unearthly Child, wehn the Doctor is telling Ian and Barbara
who he is, he says that they were outcasts from Gallifrey (paraphrasing a bit)
and that "...one day we will return..."   Of course this episode did make it 
seem like he was thrown out of Gallifrey.  :)
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: who'd make a goo who?
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:38:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.4153.14319@dosgate>, "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:
|> Daniel Bishop wrote:
|> 
|> -> I liked Colin Baker's costume!
|> 
|>  I thought it made him look like some cartoon character. I don't think
|> it aided in The Doctor's credibility.
|>  Probably the best costume, and best related to The (a) Doctor, was
|> McCoy's. As an occasional traveller myself, his outfit makes the most
|> sense. Good pocket space, mobility and credible for this type of

Well, when designing his costume, McCoy specified that (1) it had to have lots
of pockets (one of my criteria, too... I'm still looking for a jacket with
pockets as big as his...), and (2) he had to be able to walk around the street
with it without being recognized as the Doctor. (Sensible after seeing C.Baker's
outfit...)

|> character (traveller, explorer, adventurist, scientist, technologist,
|> teacher, learner, journeyman :-/,  etc.). I can't see how CB fits in
|> there. At least, not with the costume aspect. CB looked like he wanted
|> to run away with the circus. There are now too many adults fans that
|> wouldn't go (or went) along with that concept.

Well, I kinda liked it. In the beginning, the regeneration was going rather
badly, and the outfit was just another visual reminder that the Doctor was NOT
himself. Later... well, it probably grew on him, like it grew on me.

|> Regards,
|> Dale Clayton
|> -----------------------
|> dale.clayton@canrem.com
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Subject: Re: ace? more like deuce... h
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:02:55 GMT

In <199216.4153.14203@dosgate> daniel.bishop@canrem.com (daniel bishop) writes:

>I just read your post to Drewcifer.  It was very well thought out.
>Applause!  Applause!
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Who?  What?  To which post and poster are you referring here?

Drewcifer