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From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Ferengi History question
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:54:12 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Dec12.214839.13410@mlb.semi.harris.com> smccoy@dw3v.ess.harris.com (Scott McCoy) writes:
>Anthony E. Wright writes:
>|> 
>|> However, later episodes call this episode into question. Apparently, Picard had
>|> had first contact with the Ferengi previously, when commanding the Stargazer.
>|> Apparently, this is when the "Picard Manuever" was created, and Picard blew
>|> up the Ferengi ship, since it started firing on the Stargazer first. 
>
>First of all, Picard never knew it was a *Ferengi* vessel, until Daimon Bok
>(sp?) told him it was.  So there is no continuity problem there.  The
>(then) unidentified ship ambushed the Stargazer, which was abandoned
>after the battle.  If you assume the sensor logs were not recovered from
>the Stargazer, then no one would have any data on the attacking ship.
>
>|> Picard was
>|> supposedly court-martialed for this action, but let go.
>|> 
>
>Nope.  The Ferengi faked the Stargazer log to indicate that Picard
>fired first.  The fakery was discovered during the episode.  Picard
>was not court-martialed.

NO, he WAS court-martialed, but for the loss of the Stargazer!

Remember "The Measure of a Man"??  The JAG officer at the Starbase was the
woman who prosecuted him...

It's a common procedure for the loss of a starship...

>|> And finally, if we just got
>|> introduced to this race, how come they are all over the place now? 
>
>Can't help you here.  Anyone?

Well, Ferrengi discovered the Federation, a new place to trade. Knowing
how they are, do you really think they will stay in their homeworlds?

The Federation expands, so is the Ferrengi Confederation or whatever it is
called...  they are bound to have contacts... 

>Scott McCoy


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:07:41 EST
From: <MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject:    Lwaxana - Who plays her?

I am sorry if there is a better place to find out this info, but I
am fairly new to the net, and I didn't see anyhting in the FAQ lists
in here or in rec.arts.startrek.info.

Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?

A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!

Please email any help to MCGLONE@AMERICAN.EDU or MCGLONE@AUVM

Thank You!
Colleen McGlone
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From: plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki)
Subject: Re: How do you start a flame war? Glad you asked ...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:42:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202616.27199@panix.com> jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau) writes:
>falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:
>
>>The top ten things ways to start a flame war on rec.arts.startrek.current:
>
>[...]
>
>> 1.  Gene who?
>
>Shouldn't this be "Jean who?"

Check the credits dude, Gene  is the correct spelling, always has been, 
always will be...

I hate to flame but where have you been???


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From: cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Fistful_of_Datas_Locale
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:06:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

|> 
|> >> 	Does anyone know where the western scenes in Fistful of
|> >> Datas was shot?
|> 
|> 

>It's also possible that they used the set in Old Tucson.  This area
>has been the scene of many westerns.  
>Ron
-- 

       No, it wasn't Old Tucson........been there many a time and
  the scenes from the show didn't match anything there.  Also
  I would have heard that StarTrek was in town filming.

     The mystery continues!
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard on ET
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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In article <1ge1tmINNl41@bigboote.WPI.EDU> firenza@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) writes:
<
<  Just caught the tail end of an interview with Patrick Stewart on Entertainmnt
<Tonight.  They showed some scenes of Picard being tortured by the Cardassians
<in "Chains of Command", or whatever the title is.  Don't know which part
<though.

From what Michael Piller said on QVC, it sounds like the torture occurs in
the second part.
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beverly heats up... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:19:53 GMT
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Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA

In a previous article pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Carl Pettypiece) spake...

>So...just how grateful was Beverly, hmmm??  (-:
I'm still wondering about this one too! 

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J'ai oublie (visualize the accent aigu yourself)

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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Picard/Riker '96 (was Re: Wesley Crushe
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:55:44 GMT

more_da@pts.mot.com writes:
>This thread is getting a little old....
>For the record, the Constitution of the United States:
>
>Article II. Section 1.5
>" No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States
>at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of
>President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have
>attained to the age of thirty-five years and been fourteen years a resident
>within the United States. "

Thanks, but there is still argument over the meaning of "natural born".

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From: halabe@andersen.uucp (Dan Halabe)
Subject: Re: AIDS and Klingons
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:07:25 GMT

jj6707@meibm31.cen.uiuc.edu (John E Jablonski) writes:

>In article <1992Dec9.083609.16928@Virginia.EDU>, qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Two things about the Next Generation have been
>|> bothering me
>|>  (2) No episode dealing with AIDS.
>|> Well, why not have a story dealing with both:
>|> 
[clever story idea deleted]

>How about not!!!
>   Keep ST in the entertainment arena, and keep the damn politics out of it!
>Nothing ruins a good movie/show more that bringing politics into it!

>John


Ooh.  I got it!  How about a story where people who are slightly different
races, but nearly identical, are at each others' throats.  Oh wait, I think
they did that one.

How about this?:  An episode about Nazis.  You know, like ethnic clensing.
Mmm, never mind.

Hey, I know.  One where the women are dominant, and the men are subordinate.

Ok.  How about a show about people who crave salt?  Oops, did that one to.

Hey!  The Palestinian problem.  (Watch the episode where they meet Rho Laren
(sp?) again).

The fall of the enimy's empire?

Aging?

Unwed mothers?

John, we must be catching different episodes. :-)

-Dan
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From: rupley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Rupley)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160422.14365@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral) writes:
>In article <BzADJJ.D89@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:
>>
spoilers below ...

>>
>

>This in itself is not proof. The structure of Star Trek is that Star Fleet
>in "controlled" for the most part by the Federation Council. It was
>clearly shown in this episode that some within Star Fleet's ranks are
>corrupt. The Federation will not declare war unless it is absolutely
>necessary. 
>
>1. Why would you replace Picard with someone who has NO knowledge of a 
>   Galaxy Class Starship. His knowledge of Cardassian strengths and
>   weaknesses would make for a good Special Ambassador. There are very
>   few people who know the ins and outs of a Galaxy Class and they are all
>   on the Enterprise. 
>
  I think his conversation with Geordi in engr should erase any doubts about
Jelico having NO knowledge ... not saying he would be qualified, but he at
least knew some of his stuff. Also, arent there supposed to be more Galaxy
class ships than just the Ent. in StarFleet? 

>2. You are correct in saying that the special forces would be more adept
>   for this mission. However, this was a ploy to capture Captain Picard.
>
>>  One among our ranks did suggest the interesting hypothesis that some corrupt
>>admiral wanted Picard to get captured, and therefore set him up for an ambush.
>>But if this is the case, we're afraid its an old story.
>>
>
>Both Captain Jerrico and the Vice-Admiral are corrupt. This was easily seen
>in their Code-2 message near the end of the episode. 
>
>He said to the effect: 'One way or another our friends have done it.'
>
>Meaning whether Picard and company was captured, the signal has stopped.
>
>To which she replies: 'And what about our other friends, I do wish to
>		       see them again.'
>
>The key word is OTHER, meaning their mutually friends the Cardassians.
>
    This is ONE interpretation of what they meant. Certainly there is
ambiguitity to it. Another interpretation is that their friends refers
to Picards team. I also find it unlikely that wishing to see their friends
again would refer to the Cardassians since Capt. J was currently negotiating
with them (ie he would be currently seeing them, not wanting too). I think
most likely there were just speaking they way they did on the off chance
that the Card's had broken their transmission codes. 
  I guess we'll just have to wait another week (or so) to find out who's
right. Although corruption would certainly explain why they sent Picard
in the first place (as someone else pointed out, you dont send famous
people on commandoe raids) , I dont see much real evidence for it here.

-rupley

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: SAVE THE TREES???
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:03:06 GMT

bakerje@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>2. The person that said to buy as many trees as you can and bury them into
>   a land fill is either joking or butt dumb. If you are joking, that is fine
>   but you should put a smiley face after it or something so that people don't
>   think you are ignorant.  If you WEREN'T joking, get a clue! Burying trees
>   will not prevent the CO2 from escaping into the atmosphere and trees 
>   ARE the biggest producer of Oxygen in the world. Without them, we'd be
>   dead.

EEEEEEE, sorry, that's incorrect. Ever hear of Plankton?

>						Now, lets talk about
>						StarTrek, not TREES

I agree, enough about trees.
		
							CtB

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: URGENT - Latest ST:TNG Schedule
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:57:46 EST

 -=> Vidiot babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

Slight spoiler ahead!



 Vi> You are welcome, but you must keep in mind it was others that alerted
 Vi> me to the schedule change.  I just put on my detective hat to find out
 Vi> what was going on.

 Vi> Happy to save your Christmas :-)

Actually, I think I should have refrained from reading so many "Chain of
Command" posts...  I've practically spoiled the whole thing for me!
Picard get's tortured, Ronnie Cox takes over Enterprise, David Warner
beats Picard...  Sniff sniff...  Anyways, keep up the good detective
work!


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From: amay3@mach1.wlu.ca (andrew may)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:18:48 GMT

Allen J. Newton (anewton@bbx.basis.com) wrote:
  [stuff deleted]
:>    which had been commissioned.  Anyway....  Does anyone remember the name
:>    of the episode with Nagaelum?

 The episode is called: "Where silence has lease". It is a second season
episode.

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:08:34 GMT

In <1ggoe2INN6ig@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
>it with DS9?

There are ALWAYS repeats after the first nine or ten episodes of the season.
And they've only shown THREE so far.  That's hardly a lot of reruns, given
that they only show 26 episodes per season.

Is it just me, or does it seem like hardly anyone pays any attention to this
stuff?

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From: L695819@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:16:15 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:35:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

>|> What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?
>

He was also the Good Guy (really Good Guy) dad in a series called
"Apple's Way" back in the 70s or so.  Hated it at the time.
A

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He also played the good cop lieutenant (I think) in both Beverly Hills Cop
movies.  He becomes good friends with Axel in the sequel.  I liked him in
the role.

Alan
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:20548 rec.arts.startrek.misc:12713
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:22:48 EST
From: Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
 <1992Dec16.003303.27376@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc

>In article <gp2001-151292181733@m248-106.bgsu.edu> gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg
Pallenik) asks:
>>This newsgroup is becomminh cluttered with discussion of Deep Space Nine.
>>I'm not complaining, but IMHO I think a separate group will be needed to
>>keep things organized.  Does anyone else agree or disagree?


In article <1992Dec16.003303.27376@leland.Stanford.EDU>
firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) responds:
>I agree.  I'm not usually one for group splitting, but doesn't
>rec.arts.startrek.current get more traffic than any other group except alt.sex
>or something like that?  When DSN starts, it's going to be chaos!

I disagree.  The charter for rec.arts.startrek.current says that it is
for discussion of current (i.e. appearing for the first time in the
last four months) ST episodes, movies, and books, and the questions
arising from those episodes, movies, and books.  r.a.s.current is *not*
only for discussion of recent TNG episodes.  We currently distinguish
what TNG episode we are discussing by mentioning the title of the
episodes in the subjects of our postings.  We can do the same when we
discuss two new episodes a week of Star Trek: one from TNG and one
from Deep Space Nine.

Another thing to consider is that there will be episodes of TNG and of
DS9 which interact and crossover.  It would be "chaos" to be
discussing the same story in two different newsgroups!

Also, who knows if Star Trek: Deep Space Nine will even survive?  What
will we do in a newsgroup that has no reason to exist (if DS9 is
canceled)?  How many postings are there in alt.tv.twin-peaks each day?

A final word.  For some time I have been posting and emailing about
what I consider misuse of rec.arts.startrek.current, as defined by
the charter of the newsgroup.  I cannot impress upon everybody who
reads and posts to the rec.arts.startrek.* newsgroups that they *must*
post to the correct newsgroup.  r.a.s.current *can* work if we follow
the rules laid down by the designers of the r.a.s.* hierarchy.  It
*can* support discussion of two different Star Trek television shows,
if we get rid of the chaff that does not belong in
rec.arts.startrek.current.

'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 92 15:35:58 CST
From:         Michael Teller <C09615MT@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: A Good Captain
Newsgroups:   rec.arts.startrek.current

>
>In article <101642@netnews.upenn.edu>, jjenkins@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey
>J
>Jenkins) says:
>
>Some ships in the USN are commanded by Commanders or even Lt.Commanders.  If
>Starfleet were to offer Data command of a small ship, it would be perfectly
>in line.  Of course, it might be in his best interest to take a lower position
>on a smaller starship.  Thus, not all of the time Riker has turned down a
>starship are necessarily stupid.  If Riker's Captain friend who was shown in
>"Arsenal of Freedom" was giving accurate information even though he was being
>symulated by the computer on the planet, then his ship was only capable of
>warp 3.  Considering that Riker was, I believe, a Lt.Cmdr. immediately before
>taking the position as first officer of the Enterprise, he probably made a
>good
>choice.  In some cases, a lesser position on a larger ship can help your
>career more than command of a smaller ship.  Still, after BoBW, Riker was flat
>out STUPID to turn down command of his own ship when they probably would have
>given him ANY ship in the ENTIRE fleet!
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Sounds pretty good until you remeber what kind of shape the fleet was in
          at the end of BoBWII.;-)
                                  -Teller


>>>Jeff<<

>
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From: ctk@well.sf.ca.us (Cassandra T. Kamuchey)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:30:31 GMT


	A female captain for the Enterprise E...I thought the captain who
commanded the Enterprise C several seasons ago was certainly worth more
exploration.  Seemed to me heroic enough dying to save a Klingon base from
Romulans.
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From: qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord")
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:06:34 GMT


	Perhaps Riker WOULD make a good captain, but let's
consider this:  the Enterprise is often being referred to as
the "flagship of the Federation" (whatever THAT is), and is
certainly Starfleet's most powerful vessel.  Regardless of how
good ANY first officer is, would he really be given the
Enterprise as his FIRST command.  I doubt it.

						-Quinn
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