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From: kmarino@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Keith A. Marino)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Sorry for the delay in reply...
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:09:02 GMT
Reply-To: "Keith A. Marino" <kmarino@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
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I am so sorry for the delay in replying to most of your email.  I have
been quite busy with work.  Although I am sending this from an "edu"
address, I am no longer in college.  I work full time as a software
engineer and boy have I been busy this last two weeks.

To let all of you know, I am writing a group letter because of the number
of responses I got from my post to SRI.  I would like to take up a
personal conversation with some of you, but it would be impossible to send
each individual email in a timely manner.  For this reason, I will choose
some of you to carry on an email conversation with.  I wish it could be
all of you, but I am only one person and I hate doing this so informally.
I feel that since you all took the time to compose a letter to me, I
should take the time and write you back personally.  I did this for a few
of you, but I started receiving 20-30 posts a day regarding my posting to
SRI.

So the main purpose of this letter is to say Thank You for encouraging me
to pursue islam.  I truly feel that it is the best decision that I have
ever made.  I know in time that I will understand more about it, there is
so much to learn, but from what you all have told me and from what I have
read, I am in the right place, with the right beliefs.

Mayu Allah be with us all.

-keith

P.S.  From time to time I will post questions to all of you as a group.
If you choose to, please respond back with your answers.  But only if you
have the time, no pressure, ok?

Thank you again, you all don't know how much I appreciate your thoughts.
From: sa0354@csc.albany.edu (Sajid Ahmed..Peace)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Assalamu Alaikum
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:20:06 GMT
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 In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful

       Assalamu Wa Alaikum . This is brother Sajid sending you a letter
in order that I could could have better contact with the brothers of the 
community . I think it is very important that the Muslim brothers and 
sisters should have good communications with each other .
The way the Muslim world is now just makes me sad . Muslims fighting and
killing each other . The reason being that the Muslims are going astray.
And the reason that they are going astray is that there is not enough 
Quran in the Muslim world . Not just the Arabic recitation of the Quran
but the real stuff , the meaning of the greatest book on the face of the
earth . 
      The Quran is the only thing that will save the Muslims from being
destroyed . The disbelievers are allies of each other , unless the Muslims 
do this there would be great mischief on earth and oppression . The Shaitan
causes dissention among the believers . There is an Ayat in Surah
Hashr which gives the believers a duwah . The maning is :

    ' And those who came after them say " Our Lord forgive us and our 
brothers who have come into faith , and leave not in our hearts
any ill feeling against those who have believed . Our Lord , You are The
Loving , The Merciful. '

        Brother , I hope that you do send mail back to me , and I am 
looking forward to reading the mail that you send . I give you the good 
news of entering Jannat , gardens with rivers flowing underneath .
Therin will be anything that your hearts desire . No soul knows what
delights of the eyes Allah has prepared for His servants . Therin will
be giant mansions , rich carpets spread abroad , all kinds of fruits
and meats , any that you may desire , and the good pleasure of Allah.
Again, brother I give you the good news of entering there . 


        Assalamu Walaikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Hi Wa Barakatuhu.

						Sajid Ahmed
						sa0354@albnyvms.bitnet
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Islam and equality
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:03:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University
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Does anybody know specificaly which suras in the Koran deal with the rights of
women? Please e-mail me your responses.

thanks in advance
Rafat Sadiq
rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu


Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: MSA net
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:57:37 GMT
Organization: AT&T
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Assalamu `alaykum,
In article <1frne6INNhl1@life.ai.mit.edu> MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu () writes:

>	If anyone can give me the address to the MSA-NET so that I may
>subscribe, please either mail it to me or post it.  

  Subscription requests can be sent to:
                           internet!eleceng.ee.queensu.ca!msa-request

  Article submissions to: internet!eleceng.ee.queensu.ca!msa

>						Jazakh Allah

                                                Jazana wa Iyakum,


Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Temple Mount
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:23:45 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver
Reply-To: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
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This article appeared in soc.culture.jewish:

>In article <4513@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shahzaadee) writes:
>|> In article <92330.1704412893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy) writes:
|> >
|> >It is illegal for Jews to enter the Mosque at the Dome of the Rock, it is
|> >somewhat inflammatory for militant Jews to march to the Dome carrying what
|> >they intend to be the cornerstone of the New Temple
|>
|> Israeli law makes it illegal as in a crime to enter the Masjid?
|>
|> I wonder what the status is concerning the 'rebuilding' of the "New Temple"
|> in view of how much longer the Al-Aqsa Masjid will be standing ...

Ofcourse al-aqsa stands there for a limited time, when the MASICH
will come (or even sooner) it'll be removed. Since the dome-of-the-rock
is a nice building, I hope it'll be moved brick-by-brick to it's new
place.

Note - the HALACHIK question about going up the mount
       deals with jews as well as non-Jews
       (VEHAZAR HAKAREV - YOMAT)

--

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		Better    the   Golan
/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then peace without it.
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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: nafia@carolus.cma.fr (Mohamed Nafia)
Subject: Koran ftp site
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:23:56 GMT
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Bismi Allahi Arrahmani Arrahim,

Dear Brothers,

Assalamo Alaikom Wa Rahmato Allahi Wa BArakatoho,

Please, could you e-mail me adresses of sites where i can an english
version of the Holy
Coran.

Thanks
From: cczaziz@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: *unknown*
Date: 20 Dec 92 16:52:57 GMT
Reply-To: cczaziz@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz)
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
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In Message-ID: <1gjhrqINNdij@life.ai.mit.edu>
afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel) writes:

>   I am saddened to find out that many sincere Muslims have begun
>   to believe untrue things about Jews.  Among these are:
    . . .

>   As Muslims, our only concern should be to please Allah, and
>   Allah wants people to be truthful.  If a particular practice is
>   not correct, or if an opinion is based upon false sources, we
>   should be the first people to correct this practice and expose
>   the untruth in those sources.

This is the right and correct attitude, and must be stressed and
supported by every Muslim who puts Islam before his own personal and
national prejudices.

>   The first such practice whose validity I question is calling
>   Jews "aHfaad al-qiradati wal-khanaaziir"  (the grandchildren
>   of monkeys and pigs).  This is a reference to Allah's turning an
>   entire village of Jews into monkeys when they disobeyed His
>   command to stop fishing on the day of their Sabbath.

There is a hadith in which the Holy Prophet Muhammad has applied these
terms to MUSLIM ULAMA of the latter ages, i.e. "apes and swine"! So if
the present-day Jews are to be called "grandchildren of ..." then the
Muslim Ulama of today can also be called apes and swine, according to
hadith!

>  In general, such anti-Semetic practices are used to make some Muslims
>  feel that they are superior to non-Muslims even though their conduct
>  is no different from the conduct of the non-Muslims. Criticizing
>  others is a psychological substitute for taking the measures necessary
>  to improve one's own self.

How absolutely true! And it applies not only to anti-Jewish remarks,
but similar ones made by most of us Muslims against: Hindus, the West,
and so on.

It is true that the Holy Quran condemns the transgressions of the
Jews, but these are also condemned in the Jewish scriptures
themselves. But the Quran does not tarnish the entire people. It says:
"Among the people of Moses there is a party who guide with truth, and
therewith [i.e. with the truth] they do justice" (7:159).

The Quran also says: "O Children of Israel, call to mind the favour
which I [Allah] bestowed on you, and that I made you excel the
nations" (2:47). Is this not a compliment? (That the Israelites were
not grateful to God for this favour is a different matter.)

Muslims believe in and revere all the Jewish prophets such as Moses,
Aaron, David, Solomon, etc. Two of the wives of the Holy Prophet
Muhammad were Jewish. Once one of them complained to him that some
Muslim women taunted her as a "Jewess, daughter of two Jews". The Holy
Prophet replied: "Why didn't you say to them, Yes, my father is Aaron,
my uncle is Moses, and my husband is Muhammad!"


Zahid Aziz.
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: cczaziz@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz)
Subject: Luser!
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:22:10 GMT
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In Message-ID: <1gjhrqINNdij@life.ai.mit.edu>
afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel) writes:

>   I am saddened to find out that many sincere Muslims have begun
>   to believe untrue things about Jews.  Among these are:
    . . .

>   As Muslims, our only concern should be to please Allah, and
>   Allah wants people to be truthful.  If a particular practice is
>   not correct, or if an opinion is based upon false sources, we
>   should be the first people to correct this practice and expose
>   the untruth in those sources.

This is the right and correct attitude, and must be stressed and
supported by every Muslim who puts Islam before his own personal and
national prejudices.

>   The first such practice whose validity I question is calling
>   Jews "aHfaad al-qiradati wal-khanaaziir"  (the grandchildren
>   of monkeys and pigs).  This is a reference to Allah's turning an
>   entire village of Jews into monkeys when they disobeyed His
>   command to stop fishing on the day of their Sabbath.

There is a hadith in which the Holy Prophet Muhammad has applied these
terms to MUSLIM ULAMA of the latter ages, i.e. "apes and swine"! So if
the present-day Jews are to be called "grandchildren of ..." then the
Muslim Ulama of today can also be called apes and swine, according to
hadith!

>  In general, such anti-Semetic practices are used to make some Muslims
>  feel that they are superior to non-Muslims even though their conduct
>  is no different from the conduct of the non-Muslims. Criticizing
>  others is a psychological substitute for taking the measures necessary
>  to improve one's own self.

How absolutely true! And it applies not only to anti-Jewish remarks,
but similar ones made by most of us Muslims against: Hindus, the West,
and so on.

It is true that the Holy Quran condemns the transgressions of the
Jews, but these are also condemned in the Jewish scriptures
themselves. But the Quran does not tarnish the entire people. It says:
"Among the people of Moses there is a party who guide with truth, and
therewith [i.e. with the truth] they do justice" (7:159).

The Quran also says: "O Children of Israel, call to mind the favour
which I [Allah] bestowed on you, and that I made you excel the
nations" (2:47). Is this not a compliment? (That the Israelites were
not grateful to God for this favour is a different matter.)

Muslims believe in and revere all the Jewish prophets such as Moses,
Aaron, David, Solomon, etc. Two of the wives of the Holy Prophet
Muhammad were Jewish. Once one of them complained to him that some
Muslim women taunted her as a "Jewess, daughter of two Jews". The Holy
Prophet replied: "Why didn't you say to them, Yes, my father is Aaron,
my uncle is Moses, and my husband is Muhammad!"


Zahid Aziz.






Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: firoz@lmsc.lockheed.com (A. N. Firoz)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Help
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:00:02 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
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> I got asthma about 5 years ago and since that time my life style has not been
> the same. I have not been able to fast or pray properly because of
> shortness of breath in past 5 years.
> I use to be able to pray and fast properly but now I struggle even praying
> since I have problem breathing.
> 
> I feel guilty because I have not been able to do my daily pray properly and
> in month Ramadon I have not been able to fast.
> Do you know what Koran the holy book says about people like me and how can I
> continue fasting and praying properly with my conditions?.
> 
> 
>        Thank you so much for your guides
> 
>         Ali
        firoz@lmsc.lockheed.com

> P.S. I have seen many doctors and medications are temporary relief 
> and they are
> making me sick in other ways.
 
Assalamu alaikum,

May Allah help you.

In fact the matter is very simple, you are accountable to what you can
do within your capacity.

"Allah charges no soul save to its capacity,..." The Quran: 2:286

Fasting:  is stated in the Quran how to deal with if you are sick, and so
you cannot fast. Verses {2:184, 2:185}

- One alternative is not to fast and repair for that by fasting equal
number of days, later when you recover.

- The second alternative, if you dont know when you are going to
recover, then you make a redemption by feeding one poor, one day for
each day you don't fast.


Prayers: you have to perform the prayer, in any case. However, you don't
need to do the prayer in the standard form. If you cannot stand then you
can do sitting, or even laing down. You don't need to move up and down
if you cannot do that. All what you need to do is say the words you need
to say, such as Takbeer, Fatihah, .., etc., in your mind, if you cannot
speak, and to perform the necessary movements even with your eyes if you
cannot move any thing.

The Quran describes the prayer when there is danger (in war), which
indicates that, even in war, when you are expecting an enemy to assault
you, you still have to perform the prayer. However the prayer in this
case is different in form from the regular prayers. The Quran {4:101,
4:102}

Also brother, in your case, remember Allah, when the doctors, as you say,
failed to cure you. Ask Allah for help, in your prayers, or ask him that
your sickness will be an expiation for your sins, so that the comming
life will blissful for you.  Remember that Allah is not in need for
our prayer, but we need Him.

Salam.

Ahmed I El-Habbash
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.



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Subject: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (ANNOUNCEMENT)
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Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:55:24 GMT
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                              Bismihi Ta'ala

      For about a year the [ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS] has been working hard to 
      present an Islamic perspective and report to the interested news
      and views. We've tryed to be the voice of the voiceless and see things
      through the eyes of the victims. This is not an easy task, and reading 
      this information from this approach by some of us is not pleasant either
      But after a short time IWN has developed a line of communication with
      even those who never identified themselves before with the Islamic 
      Movement. The volunteers working on this net kept also their promise
      to the point that they never missed a single edition [the release has 
      been twice aweek since the enauguration last March]. Due to an increase in 
      the number of subscribers that obliged us to move to an other computer  
      coupled with the fact that most of the Editors will be participating in 
      some Islamic confrences, the ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS will be interrupted  
      for about a week starting Dec. 22, 1992 through Jan. 4, 1993.
      We will continue to accept subscription though.
      Subscriptions requests should be mailed to: [imnet2@max.u.washington.edu]
      Thank you for your consideration.
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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan)
Subject: Re: Movies....
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:39:20 GMT
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In article <ZEESHAN.92Dec11225652@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> xxbrent@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Brent Anderson) writes:
>
>I think that it is very common for the media and entertainment
>industry in the US to completely mis-understand and mis-represent
>other cultures and religions.  What you generally get are
>one-dimensional sterotypes.  Examples of victimized peoples
>are Native Americans, Blacks, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Gypsies
>and Japanese. (I could go on :-)  
>
>I have a  question that relates to the movie Robin Hood, with
>Kevin Costner.  This is the first movie that I can remember
>that I believe gives a positive portrayal of a Muslim (Morgan
>Freeman).  Was this actually a fair and accurate portrayal,
>and do you consider it a positive development?
>

Although I enjoyed Prince of Theives and found that the character`
played by Morgan Freeman was a very positive role for Muslims as well as 
Afro/Americans. One thing that really annoyed me was the lack of
research on the practises of Muslims ie when Akeem was praying
this was completely false and Muslims do not pray in this way.

Also the opening scene was misleading and added to the Myth that you automatically
get your hand cut off for stealing. The whole scene was made to show how
barbaric Muslim supposedely were. On the whole it was a half hearted attempt 
to show Muslims in a good light, but it is a start. With the Malcolm X
film coming out (it's not yet out in the UK) Hollywood will for the
first time (maybe the last also) will show Muslims as they really are. Let us
hope that Muslims (and other ethnic minorities) will be shown in their
true character and not just bigoted stereotyped charicatures.

THank you for your interest in Islam.

Mas
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From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Inquiry.
Date: 20 Dec 1992 18:25:40 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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   Hello,

I am very interested about apocalyptic material. Recently I read about
the "Mehdi or Mahdi" who is supposed to be a prerequisite to the last
days. (quyamat? kyamat? Kiyamad?) What I read so far is,
1) he will come out of Konstantiniyya
2) Will be between 30-40
3) Will meet Jesus in Damascus as he descends and will that Jesus will
pray behind him.
4) Will fight the Rummi?( I presume west)
5) Will unite Islamic people and be kind of a preparer for Jesus.

Are these accurate? Please send all material to my e-mail.
Thank you


michael
From: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Inquiry.
Date: 20 Dec 1992 18:49:59 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Reply-To: muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Originator: gwydion@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu

   Hello,

I am very interested about apocalyptic material. Recently I read about
the "Mehdi or Mahdi" who is supposed to be a prerequisite to the last
days. (quyamat? kyamat? Kiyamad?) What I read so far is,
1) he will come out of Konstantiniyya
2) Will be between 30-40
3) Will meet Jesus in Damascus as he descends and will that Jesus will
pray behind him.
4) Will fight the Rummi?( I presume west)
5) Will unite Islamic people and be kind of a preparer for Jesus.

Are these accurate? Please send all material to my e-mail.
Thank you


michael


Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: xxbrent@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Brent Anderson)
Subject: Re: Movies....
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:56:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I think that it is very common for the media and entertainment
industry in the US to completely mis-understand and mis-represent
other cultures and religions.  What you generally get are
one-dimensional sterotypes.  Examples of victimized peoples
are Native Americans, Blacks, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Gypsies
and Japanese. (I could go on :-)  

I have a  question that relates to the movie Robin Hood, with
Kevin Costner.  This is the first movie that I can remember
that I believe gives a positive portrayal of a Muslim (Morgan
Freeman).  Was this actually a fair and accurate portrayal,
and do you consider it a positive development?

I thank you in advance for your opinions.  I am sorry if this
has been covered here before.

--
Brent Anderson
xxbrent@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov