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From: 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: A570 CD ROM, A500 and a GVP HD
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:41:41 GMT

<TPATTERS@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:

>I have an A500+ and an external GVP hard drive. I would like to have one
>of the A570 CD units but unless I'm mistaken I'll have to keep unplugging
>and swapping over the Hard Drive and the CD Drive - which I obviously
>don't want to do. Is there a way of having all 3 linked up at once.
>(I take it there is NO through connector on the CD Drive - stupid omission
>but C= again!)

Here's another question...
What does anyone think the odds are of C= coming out with a CDTV drive
for the A2000 series?
-Doc

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: frits@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Frits Kuijlman)
Subject: 10 MB fastram onb a2000: technical question
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:07:42 GMT

Recently I saw in the German Amiga magazin an add from WAW Elektronik
where they advertised a chipram expander for the a500/a2000 that also
had an extra 2 MB on board with which you can get a total of 10 MB Fastram.

I have no plans at all of buying it, but I am interested in how they might
have done it. If I read the hardware manual(1.3) I have at home correctly
the memory map of the a500/a2000 allows for 8 MB fastram, 2 MB chipram and
the rest is reserved for chip registers and so on. Where might they have put
the extra 2 MB fastram?

I know this is possible with a bigger processor, but if I read the add
correctly they intend it for the standard a500/a2000 with a 68000 processor.

Just curious,
    Frits
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Frits Kuijlman                      frits @ ph.tn.tudelft.nl
Delft University of Technology               The Netherlands
From: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu (Ryan K. Brooks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Monitor for an A3000
Date: 13 Nov 1992 23:03:43 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Distribution: na
Reply-To: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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In article <1992Nov13.00303.11050@ms.uky.edu>, kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>My wife just bought an A3000 through the Creative Computers fire sale.
>Now we have to go shopping for a multisync monitor.  Up to now we've
>pretty much shunned the pc-clone market, so I'm a bit ignorant of the
>ins and out of such monitors.  [Well, more than a bit.  These questions
>sound pretty dumb :-) ]
>
>The socket on the back of the computer is labelled "31 khz".  Must the
>monitor go at most this fast or at least this fast?
>
>The dot pitch of a monitor is often quoted as part of its specs.  Is this
>just a measure of how sharp the picture is, or does it really figure into
>the number of pixels per line it can display?
>
>Should we get a monitor with internal deinterlacing, or is this made
>redundant by the computer's display enhancer?
>
>The local pc-clone warehouse mainly sells Viewsonics.  Can anyone recommend
>a particular model?  My wife wants at least a 14" model.

She's got pretty high standards, doesn't she?
(just a joke)

>
>AdvThanksThanksThanksThanksThanksance
>-- 
>Kenneth Herron                                              kherron@ms.uky.edu
>University of Kentucky                                         +1 606 257 2975
>Dept. of Mathematics     "Your ball goes over them, it sails off the edge into
>a huge cauldren of fire-breathing dragons."  "And they call this a par three?"
 ----------------------------
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga and 64sx hack
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:27:47 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

[original poster lost, sorry]

>Is it possible to hack an AMiga 500 into a C= 64sx case, and use the 5"
>monitor? Has anyone done this?

Well, I saw a similar setup on a fair in Munich. The company Edotronik
(they are also sometimes on the net and perhaps can elaborate) had
taken an A2000 mainboard, put it into a portable case (not of SX 64)
and had also included a little (5" ?) monochrome monitor. It was very
small, but still readable (if you used not the wrong colors).

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From: kxgj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: 386 BB part # wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:35:09 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University


I recently got a 386 bridgeboard and it was missing the adapter cable mentioned
on pages 3-8, 3-9 and 3-4 of the users guide.  My dealer says that he can't get
a part number (or even acknowledgement of the part's existence) from his 
Commodore rep.  Would someone be able to supply a part number or a firm
reference to the part so that I can get my dealer to supply the cable?  I
really do want to use an internal 5.25" drive...

Kirk
klg@pelvis.tn.cornell.edu
kxgj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: mk59200@cs.tut.fi (Kolkka Markku Olavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Moving 500 to 1200, BAD NEWS
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:14:47 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: naakka.cs.tut.fi

In article <OD.6badnetOA92-901-302p0_52d49fb1@piraya.bad.se> Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) writes:
>
>Parity checking is a thing from the pre-historic when DRAMs were unreliable. 
>Just like MS-DOG (yes, both pre-historic and unreliable :)).
>
Also, parity checking doesn't _fix_ any memory errors, it only guarantees
that the machine will _crash_ when a memory error happens. Apparently some
people prefer this sort of behavior.

--
	Markku Kolkka
	mk59200@cc.tut.fi
From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AGA monitors.
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:36:14 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center

: I'd suggest the Mitsubishi 14" Diamondscan, priced at around $450 US.
: They just came out with a new model of it, still supporting the 15KHz
: frequency, as well as composite video.  .28mm dot pitch insures a nice
: crisp resolution, and the Diamondscan is medium persistence so flicker
: is significantly reduced, and is basically absent in the Super72 800x600
: mode.  (It is about like normal very slight non-interlaced PAL flicker
: using the standard 2.x/3.x color scheme.)  Animation is not blurred
: either, as a result of the persistence, so that's not a problem.
: 
: The 1960 has almost identical stats (.28mm dot pitch, etc.) except for
: the persistence and composite video.  I'll most likely go for the 
: Diamondscan though, simply because of the persistence.

But does the Diamodscan do overscan like the Commodore monitors?  Are there
any of the *VGA monitors and/or multiscan monitors that do overscan?

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From: val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner)
Subject: Re: Networking?  WHY?!?
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:10:40 GMT

markus@beaver.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Markus Illenseer) writes:
: In article <jbono.07v8@tension.UUCP> jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono) writes:
: >
: > I've seen a few posts up here about how the Amiga doesn't have "built-in"
: > networking, and it seems to me that adding networking as a standard feature
: > would be a tremendous waste of time.  Virtually *no* clones have any
: > networking "built in."  They all are rather expensive aftermarket options,
: > especially in light of the software cost.  Macs have appletalk networking,
: > but compared to Token-Ring or Ethernet based Networks, apple talk sucks
: > rocks, and is not very useful in large environments with heavy network
: > traffic.
: 
:  Well, Mr. Eggebrecht told us, that from WB 3.1 on, the Amiga's will be able
:  to do such 'easy' networking, too. I suppose this is ParNet or SerNet from
:  the 'Software Destillery', but a better/newer version. Also, i believe
:  that there is no need for a network-card on-board. But as option it would be
:  nice. Just plug in. You actually can have that for the machines with slots
:  only.

The problem with ParNet and SerNet is that it takes up one port for each
connection.  I happen to have ParNet set up on my two machines, but I can't
use my parallel printer.  The advantage of a thin-wire ethernet port is that
you can connect more than 30 (recommendations vary) machines on one network.
An added benefit is that you can get inexpensive cabling supplies from Radio
Shack (which is everywhere).

: > The only thing I would like to see out of C= is a network.device, and a
: > network.library as an OPTIONAL feature to the OS, which would include
: > standard drivers for Novell, TCP/IP, Vines, Lantastic, as well as some
: > sort of server capability.

Network support in the O/S should be MANDATORY.  I think what you're saying
that networking hardware should be optional.  Personally, I think that
networking hardware should be mandatory even if it is slow.  Apple has the
Amiga beat in networking because every Macintosh is shipped with hardward
and software support for networking.  There are even printers and modems
from third parties that directly support AppleTalk.  This is an advantage.

:  Remember, 25$ costs for simple Ethernet will expand to more than 100$ costs
:  for the end-user. 100$ for something not worth it all the time.

Right now, I'd be willing to pay the $100 each for ethernet capabilities in
my two machines.  However, ethernet cards are $250 each, parallel<->ethernet
and SCSI<->ethernet are even more expensive.  Additionally, the parallel port
adapter will take up my parallel port (Which ParNet already does), and I
won't gain anything.

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| "Macintosh: The computer for the rest of us."(tm) Apple \\\///  University  |
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From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Help on A2024 mode wanted
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:37:40 GMT
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany

vhansen@ipfs.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Wolfgang von Hansen) writes:

>Hi netters,

>do I need an ECS-Denise in order to enable the A2024 mode?

No.

>Wolfgang


winnie.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber)
Subject: Re: Can my A4000 be a tower???
Organization: Smith College
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:53:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.021558.3320@wuecl.wustl.edu> cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu (Chris Dunphy) writes:
>So what shall I do?  Would there be any
>problem putting the 4000 on it's side?  

I've had my 2000 on its side under my desk for a couple years
without any problem.  Two things to watch out for though are:

- Cooling.  Make sure you orient the machine so that the fan can
work properly, i.e. don't have the fan try to pull air in from
the top, down through the machine and out the bottom.  Hot air
doesn't naturally go that way,  Make sure the fan is at the top
pulling air *up* through the cabinet. 

- *Some* hard drives are picky about how they are positioned.
Usually flat or on their side is okay but some may do ugly things
if you run them upside down.  Check with the drive manufacturer
about this.

>How long are the
>keyboard and monitor and mouse cables?  How hard would it
>be to get extended length versions.  

A soldering iron and some parts from Radio Shack did the trick
for me.  I just made some "extension cords".

-john
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=== jfieber@sophia.smith.edu ================================================
======================================= Come up and be a kite!  --K. Bush ===
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Hardware Reference M
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:04:06 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992

> Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
> From: <K3023E2@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
> Message-ID: 92309.133715K3023E2@alijku11.bitnet
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
>
> Dear People,
> ...
> I wondered if someone knows when the new (AGA) Hardware Reference Manual
> will be published or if it's already been released.
> ...
> I'm really looking forward to have a look at it|||
> ...
> Thanx, Werner.
> ..............

Forget  it.   They're  NOT going to make an AGA hardware manual.  Though it
might be entertaining to read about it, its not a good idea to publish this
information, and I commend Commodore for not doing it.


--- Maximus 2.00
From: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Moving 500 to 1200, BAD NEWS
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 06:20:37 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin)
Distribution: world
Organization: ANet Test Bench, Karlstad, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway

> If I had gone the PC route, and started with an 8088, I could have taken my
> SIMMS and SCSI all the way up through '286, 386 and 486.

Take your 8-bit SCSI card (you most probably would have a MFM ST-412/506 
controller for your 8088 system anyways) and the probably too slow and small 
RAM chips (not to mention that you problably did not buy SIMMs for the 8088 
motherboard in the first place) over to a 386+ machine, are you really serious?

> I guess the cheapest option to protect my current
> hardware is to go the PC route.

You can forget about your SIMMs, unless you happen to have ones with parity 
bits. Else they won't work in a typical PC setup. I am pretty sure your 
Dataflyer will not work in a PC either.

> years time when they next round of machine's are announced? You'll
> probably find that all your 1200 peripherals won't work.

Most probably, considering that most cards will be connecting to the 150-pin 
A1200-only CPU slot. The only way to get some protection is to get a machine 
with Zorro slots, and Zorro slots costs too much for a real low-end machine. 
It's part of the price you pay for low-end machines.

                        _       .    __
    Roger Nordin     _ //      /!Net /est Bench
 2:203/602.0@fidonet \X/  Internet: Roger_Nordin@bad.se

---
From: DennyA@cup.portal.com (Denny Lee Atkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Diamodscan vs 1960...
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 17:48:39 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Christopher,

I have an A4000 and both a Diamondscan and a 1960. The 1960 is a
better bet because it auto-syncs to different scan rates. While the
Diamondscan works great with AGA, you end up having to either adjust
the monitor often when changing scan rates, or putting up with big
black borders in some modes.

Also, I understand the the AUM-1381/1391 Diamondscan, the model that
syncs to 15.75KHz and includes Composite input, is no longer
available. :-(

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How to tell if A4000 has OFS or FFS
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:24:32 GMT
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Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
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In article <1992Nov13.205454.22735@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>But I don't want to do
>anything until I find out if the HD is one of the ones that is formatted
>wrong.

   Get a PD program called "DiskInfo" (v1.20) from either wuarchive.wustl.edu
or amiga.physik.unizh.ch (in the Amiga utilities directories). This will show
exactly what file system your hard disk is formatted under (since there are
six filesystems for the Amiga now, this little bugger is bound to come in
very handy). 
   You could just do an "Information..." from the Workbench on the hard disk
icon and check the block size field. If it's 488 bytes, it's OFS, if it's 512
bytes, it's FFS. The problem is that there are now different flavors of OFS
and FFS. <Frown> Get DiskInfo; it'll tell you.

-- 
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Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                       Willy Beamish Development Team
All opinions expressed are my own.                      (MS-DOS CD-ROM, Sega-CD)
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From: ekrieger@quasar.hacktic.nl (Eric Krieger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 keyboard (A600 owners?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:23:06 GMT+1
Distribution: world
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov4.165535.27089@ida.liu.se> e91petmo@odalix.ida.liu.se
 (Peter /\/\odin) writes:

 > bell@ufp.enet.dec.com () writes:
 > 
 > >Hi.  I got the A1200.gif, and I notice that the A1200 keyboard is
 > >different from my A500 by two keys.  The left shift key is shorter than
 > >on mine, and there's a new key because of that (left of the 'Z').  And
 > >the RETURN key has been shortened; there's a new key at the end of the
 > >"ASDFGH" etc. line.
 > 
 > (This could be completely wrong, but I hardly think so!)
 > European (all? most, anyway) keyboards have that extra key, right
 > to the left of the 'Z' key.

No, not all Europeans.  We in The Netherlands (AKA Holland) are using
the 'normal' (international) Keyboards (same as the USA ones).

 > Since many non-english languages have more letters in their alphabet,
 > they need more keys! What you got was a picture of a European version
 > of the A1200. As far as I know, ALL computers (like the Sparc I'm using
 > now) here has that key.

It looks like the German Keyboard, because it isn't a QWERTY but a
QWERTZ keyboard (with some extra keys).

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: mctaylor@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Networking?  WHY?!?
Reply-To: mctaylor@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:51:40 GMT

In article <jbono.084a@tension.UUCP>, jbono@tension.UUCP (John Bono) writes:
>>>
>> You and, mw, we do. But the normal Joe Dumb on the street, the one with an
>> A500, 1MB and 2 Floppers, not to forget the Joystick, will not.
>> I belive Dave Haynie already told us about the fact why C= hasn't brought
>> up a simple network (standard hardware) for all Amiga's yet (besides Sana,
>> but this is Software, and the costy ethernet).
>The big problem with an El cheapo networking solution like appletalk is that 1)
>it far too slow to be used in any real, heavy-duty large scale networking
>environment, and 2) the additional costs aren't justified for the bulk of the
>users out there(not just for Amigas, but all users).  If you notice, very few
>PCs are sold today with networking software and hardware built in.  OS/2
>doesn't have it, DOS doesn't have it, and Windows doesn't have it.  Ethernet,
>T/R, and ARCnet are more important because even though it is more expensive, it
>is more useful in a large scale environment, and the extra bandwidth easily
>outweighs any other consideration.
> 
>John
 I think that what C= has to provide us with is not more in the hardware end,
but more on the software end. The Amiga is a single-user multi-tasking machine.
It does not have the file protection levels like UNIX or multi-user features.
This is what C= _has_ to give us in 3.1 or 4.x. I would like to see a simple
sort of hardware for the Amiga which works with Amigas from the 500 to the
4000. Something that is rather cheap, maybe not so high performance, but is a
standard which can easily be used and is affordible. So that User Joanne Blow
can connect her A500 with the A4000 upstairs. Yes, a C='s own AppleTalk
work-a-like network. For users that need to connect to ethernet networks or at
high speeds let them look at a different level of networking. DOS networks have 
different levels of performance, not all of them tranfer at a 10Mb/sec why
should all Amiga nets? If there is a cheap and easy standard like AppleTalk
maybe we could see more games like RoboSport which use the A2065 (That's the
ethernet one right?) for a multi-user game. That's something Joanne Blow might
like to buy.
 Now is C= going to give us a AmiNet networking, and support for Multi-Users in
the future? I think whether it will suceed depends if CBM does it or if some
third party company tries it and doesn't get it right. There are several tries
at networking the Amiga in a peer to peer way now, but none of these are
standard. 
 
--------- Michael C. Taylor   MCTaylor@MtA.Ca   Mount Allison University------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: hanscs@dhhalden.no (HANS CHRISTIAN SANDER)
Subject: Re: 14.xx & 7.xx Mhz, why?
Keywords: 68000
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:24:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.224246.25432@ifi.uio.no> stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen) writes:
>From: stigo@ifi.uio.no (Stig Arne Olsen)
>Subject: 14.xx & 7.xx Mhz, why?
>Keywords: 68000
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:42:46 GMT
>
>Can some guru :-) here tell me why C= are clocking the processors below what
>they were made for? They do not seem to do it with the faster processors,
>but why are the Mc68000 just 7 and Mc68020 in the A1200 14Mhz? Has it something
>to do with dma-cycle timing? And why are the 68030 in the A3000 running at the
>full 25Mhz, if this is a problem?
>
>Thanks,
>-- 
>Stig A. Olsen  |  stigo@ifi.uio.no  |  "Ja til EF"
>
Nei til EF
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