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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:26:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.171814.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au>,
ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
|> One of the more interesting rumours reported in Adelaide this
|> weekend was that Ayrton Senna would be driving for Sauber next
|> year.  This was reported in "The Advertiser" (which is a major
|> daily Matt) and also on Channel 9 (a major network) News.
|> Anyone heard anything further??

No such rumors have floated around in Switzerland.  I consider this
_extremely_ unlikely, given that Sauber has already signed up his two
drivers for 1993.  (On the other hand, we have seen other contracts
which were not worth the paper they were written on.)  Although I
don't like Senna much, it would of course be interesting to see what
he could do with the car.


|> Also said that the Sauber was a 92 configuration that set the
|> time mentioned above.

The fastest time was apparently set with 93 tires (see my previous
posting).

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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IMSA vs. IndyCar
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:35:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: c00027-2.72166894229787
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <1992Nov11.025553.21274@microsoft.com> hanss@microsoft.com 
(Hans Spiller) writes:
>In article <7210749599567@c00027-207dan.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu 
>wrote:
>>                        IndyCar        IMSA
>>                       ---------     --------
>>      Laguna Seca      1:11.185      1:11.587

Hey, did I actually write this?  Someone has just pointed out to me via e-mail
that this IMSA time is wrong--the actual fast qualifier was P. J. Jones at
1:11.294, while the 1:11.587 was set by Juan Fangio II.  And sure enough,
the Post-It note I had the info written on says 1:11.294.  I have no idea
how I could have written 1:11.587 when I don't think I had that info with me 
when I posted.  That's really spooky....

>were all four of these imsa
>times set by the toyota/eagles?  does anybody have trap times?

I don't have trap times, but here is the complete info:

           Portland
         ------------
IMSA       1:00.354    Juan Fangio II, Toyota Eagle MKIII
IndyCar    1:00.658    Emerson Fittipaldi, Penske 92-Chevrolet/B

         Laguna Seca
         ------------
IndyCar    1:11.185    Michael Andretti, Lola T92/00XB-Ford/Cosworth XB
IMSA       1:11.294    P. J. Jones, Toyota Eagle MKIII

         Road America
         ------------
IMSA       1:47.913    Juan Fangio II, Toyota Eagle MKIII
IndyCar    1:48.2105   Paul Tracy, Penske 92-Chevrolet/B

           Mid-Ohio
         ------------
IndyCar    1:08.766    Michael Andretti, Lola T92/00XB-Ford/Cosworth XB
IMSA       1:09.856    Davy Jones, Jaguar XJR14


All on Goodyear tires.

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From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Earnhardt promises to spin the pace car out!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:49:30 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

Pace laps must be boring...

Dale Earnhardt said during an interview on TV last nite that sometime in
his career, he wants to spin-out the pace car.  The crowd present at the
Atlanta Hilton roared approval (there seemed to be a mixture of loyalties
in the crowd).

I am sure some of you have noticed that Earnhardt gets pretty close to the
pace car during some races. 

Also, one caller mentioned that Earnhardt seems more docile lately and 
wondered what the deal was.  One comment was that "NASCAR has been
working with me" which brought another round of laughter.

Glenn
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From: meier@thumper (Christopher M. Meier)
Subject: Re: Marlin was Re: Winston at Phoenix
Organization: Image Manipulation Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:34:34 GMT

In article <5NOV199209461333@maximillion.mcc.com> mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes:
>Marlin will be driving for the Stavolas next year.  In their new 
>Raybestoes Ford.

Maybe next time he will have enough brakes to keep off Ernie...
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From: PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:Schumacher for 1993 champion?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 07:25:30 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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>>How does everyone feel about next years world Champion?
>>I reckon it is gonna be Schumacher as:

>>1) Williams is now going to lose Mansell and thus ther motivation. With all
 the
   trouble this year over drivers, they will be in somewhat a dissarray.
The reason I  don't mention Prost is that I feel that by his actions and
racing in 91 that he has had his best years and is now in a decline, which
won't be helped by the pressures on him next year. He will not only be racing
for all of France but will also have to bear the stigma of this years driver
shambles. IMHO

>>4) A Benetton Ford V-12 an exciting prospect.!!
Ford have been testing the V-12 since late 91, but due to a few problems it was
decided to stick with the reliable and fast V-8 for 1992. Now because the
incredable pace of this years car they have the difficult decision (Sp?) of
whether to use V-8 or V-12 (Which incidentally is overall smaller than the
V-8!!!!).This was due around then end of October (I think). I have heard
nothing either, but I'm sure everyone realises the value of deadlines in F1!!
I suggest that we wait and see.


>>Well thats my opinion!
>>Chris.
Me once again.
From: scs@scotty.mv.com (Steve Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: new site blues
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 23:27:22 GMT
Organization: Better Adjustments Through Better Hammers
Reply-To: scs@scotty.mv.com

Ok, no flames for this test...deal?
....I never had any idea that it would be this hard to set up
a internet site...actually the email & uucp was easy...it's
receiving the netnews that still has the bugs...if this makes
it through, it'll be a major breakthrough in home netnews  :)

I assume everyone will be glued to the tube @ 12:01am est for 
final race of the Honda (semi) dominated era... I betting that
Senna chaulks one up for the Honda Factory. You have to admit
that the company did more to attract interest in autoracing
than any anything I can think of in recent time.  I'm speaking
of the ticket lottery that ESPN was talking about during the 
suzuka telecast....unbelievable....what was it?, 6 million
entries for 130 thousand tickets.

...actually this will probably be late.

So-long Honda...hope to see you in Kart racing someday.
.







Steve Scott        Manchester, NH.       scs@scotty.mv.com
Karting: Racing's best kept secret.
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna's an ass!
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:03:22 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Dave Hukill x4056 5-1 (dhukill@esprit.prime.com) wrote:
: 
:  In any case, we saw the end (at least for the '93 season) of two of the
: largest egos in recent memory from Formula 1, so lets hope that spells an
: end to all the finger-pointing, and a begining to some REAL racing.
: 
: Dave Hukill <dhukill@esprit.prime.com>

Yes, Dave, but we have the return of the _other_ big ego next season and I
fear that he'll dominate utterly, with Schumacher picking up the crumbs...

Pete
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From: jimharr@microsoft.com (Jim Harriger)
Subject: Re: '65 Vette convertible wanted
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:34:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov11.174957.24529@samba.oit.unc.edu> Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) writes:
>
>Ultimate would be maroon with side pipes (roadster).  Condition doesn't
>matter, but price is a small concern- no $30k frame-off restored's please.
>Also willing to consider 62's and 63's.
>Thanks.
>[RICHR]
><Please send mail either to here OR to rrr@ideas.com>

are you looking for a basis on which to build a racer, or something that is
already prepped for SVRA racing? just curious, after all, this is a group
motor sport competition, after all.  :-) :-) :-)


						jim harriger


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From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Re: Petty's numbers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.160950.30282@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes...
>With all I've been reading about the Petty's family race car numbers was it
>just lucky that Kyle got to race #42 Mellow Yellow because I an old race car

I think is was either luck or the car owner (Sabates) buying the 
number from someone else.

>(matchbox), It was the 42 Mellow Yellow exactly like Kyle's but it was being
>drive by Bobby Hillin. I thought because Richard drove #43 and his uncle (I
>believe) drove #44 that Kyle wanted #42.

Once, the #44 was driven by Lee Petty, Richard's father and Kyle's 
grandfather.  Don't recall Maurice Petty driving, what number he used 
if he did.  Maurice son, Ritchie, drove a Petty blue and white car in 
ARCA in 1991 that I think was #41.  Of cource, someone more 
knowledgable can correct this if I,m wrong.

David
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:11:41 GMT

In <d.calwell.4.0@trl.oz.au> d.calwell@trl.oz.au (David Calwell) writes:

>I have been curious about this for some time, from what i see on TV dont the 
>wings on F1 and Indycars put the weight on the chassis, where, as Bob 
>suggests, it would make more sense to put the weight on the suspension.
>Am i mistaken or is there a rule that covers this.

Well, even though I am sure a lot of postings will say this, I won't
let the tyranny of distance keep me quiet (chorus of groans) - 
the first real wings used in F1 cars _did_ put the weight directly 
on the rear suspension - leading to higher and higher wings on flimsy
support struts. Brabham even used a two-wing design, with a high
strutted wing on the front suspension (rather than the little stub
wings that other teams had each side of the nose). There were rumblings
of discontent from various safety officials after some accidents, then
at the Spanish GP (I think) in 1968 both Graham Hill's and Jochen Rindt's
main wing folded at the same place on the track - where by cresting a
hill they applied negative loading to the wing - and first Hill, then
Rindt crashed. Rindt was unlucky enough to actually crash into Hill's
car, and because of this was more knocked around.

As a result of this - and I don't recall any other team than Lotus
(build to a minimum weight, not a minimum strength) having any problems
like this, although someone out there will no doubt correct me on this - 
the safety people outlawed aerodynamic devices that were not part of 
the bodywork between the first and second practice sessions at Monaco
(which was the next race in the season).

In fact, the wings used and the improvement in tyres was the initial
reason why pursuit of 4wd F1 cars was not more frenzied. Designers 
found they could put all the power to the ground if they had a rear
wing, even with the torque curve of the early DFVs.

Personally, I like the look of the winged cars.

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From: lang@wharfin.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Adelaide: Senna-Mansell crash
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:37:08 GMT

In article <1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
> 
> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash. 
> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.

I believe the opposite is true, e.g. Senna _tried_ to outbrake Mansell. The
result being that Mansell's car _got in the way_. In the racing sense, this was
clearly Senna's fault, as it is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to
avoid contact...Senna clearly did not try to avoid Mansell's car. 

I was quite saddened by this occurance. It would have been nice to see Nigel
win the 10th race in one season. Oh well. I was glad, on the other hand, that
no injuries occurred.

In another posting, one person was ranting about liking to see Nigel "punch the
lights out" on Senna. While I admit this would be entertaining, I don't think it
would have served either of them well in their future endeavors. It's kind of
nice to know that, at least for the time being, cooler heads prevailed. I'll
also admit that I was quite surprised to see Nigel _cross the track_ to get
back to the paddock...VERY DANGEROUS, and I'm sure he will be fined for the
action.

So, Berger wins, Patrese does not finish second in the points (I'm sure that
Frank Williams is not happy with that result!). Yet another F1 season in the
books!

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From: svissa@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sirish Vissa)
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:16:48 GMT

In article <9211091252.AA07676@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
>Hi racers
>
[stuff deleted]
>But Willy has looked at pre-programmed wings. So when the FW15 gets
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>to a circut the car knows the circuit like the driver. The wings move
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
>up and down hydralically (sp) so to get speed down the straight and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[stuff deleted]
I thought that all moving wings were banned regardless of hydraulically or
mechanically actuated.. But Alan says that the lawyers have been over the rules and it is possible...
I know that movable wings are an advantage, but I dont remember hearing
anything about the FW15 having these..
  anyone else heard anything?
BTW Alan, if you dont mind, could you please post any other info you can get.
     this is really interesting...
          ciao
         Sirish


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From: jwodzia@dino.uucp (john wodziak)
Subject: Re: Petty Press Conference
Reply-To: jwodzia@dino.UUCP (john wodziak)
Organization: Clemson University Mechanical Engineering Department
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:49:34 GMT

In article <1689EA54A.GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu> GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes) writes:
>>Does anyone have any information on the Press Conference
>>that was supposed to be held yesterday?
>>Shelley
>Rick Wilson will drive the car, numbered 44, next year.
>Wilson originally hailed from Bartow Florida, and had
>several seasons of Winston Cup experience. His most
>notable ride may have been the Kodak #4, where he
>preceeded Ernie Irvan. RW just missed winning the
>Firecracker 400 at Daytona in this car, losing to
>Bill Elliott by just a few inches.
> 
The following are excerpts from todays (11/13) Atlanta Journal&Constitution.
(Without permisssion)

Petty said that no other team will be able to use his famed #43 next year
but NASCAR has the final decision on the retirement of numbers.

Wilison was the 3rd candidate for the job. Others were Ted Musgrave(declined)
and tommy kendall. Kendall was tested at the request of GM. Petty made
some comments that made it sound like he was none to thrillled at being
"requested" who to test. No reason was given for his not signing Tommy.

Wreck Wilson's contract is for one year reflecting the fact that numerous
front-line drivers will be in the final year of their contracts next year
and many more drivers are anticipated to become availile (Possibly
the driver of #42????).

Another key factor in Petty's decision was that Robbie Loomis previously 
worked with Wilson when he was barnstorming the SEast in various stock car 
series.

Wilson said that he's still going to be a hard charger "but I'm going
to use my head a little more." On a win next year "In this sport anything
can happen. Of course I'd like to win Daytona. But we'll go and do the 
best we can."

The article concludes with the following statement:
Wilson becomes the 26th driver to command one of the Petty cars since 1959
in addition Lee, Richard, Maurice, and Kyle Petty.
That quote is verbatium. If anyone can figure out the other 22 or 25 
depending on how you look at the quote, I'll give the man(or woman) a big
cigar.

The Eagle is preparing for its virgin launch......
jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 myths: ABS and 'autogassing'
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:46:43 ACST
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
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In article <1992Nov4.162215.17910@stsci.edu>, lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo   (410)338-4577) writes:
> In article 13771@fys.ruu.nl, koopman@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Koopman) writes:

>> a F1 driver could outbrake an ABS system. He is
>>able keep tyre-spin in the optimum (aprx 10% but depending on many
>>parameters) range

This is interesting.

> up with here on this subject, mostly espoused by folks who have never bothered to 
> read what Patrick Head (or any one else that would really know has had to say on 
> the matter).

See my previous post for a direct quote from Patrick in our newspaper here in
the home of the Aussie GP.  Where are your quotes from?  Does Mr Head run
around spreading misinformation or is one of us making something up.  My quote
comes from "The Advertiser", Thursday 5/11.  10% tyre spin is NOT optimum.

Rob
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: More Sauber Tests at Barcelona
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:59:48 GMT

ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:


>In a previous article, marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) says:

>>Last week, Wendlinger clocked 1:21.51 at Barcelona.  Today's daily
>>newspaper says that Karl Wendlinger, driving the Sauber-Ilmor,
>>clocked a new best of 1:20.04 at Barcelona.  Nigel Mansell's pole
>>time at the GP in May was 1:20.19.
>>


>Doesn't Barcelona have a long straight?
>Wasn't he using 93 tires?

>Makes sense to me.

	Yes, the Circuito de Catalunya has a fairly long straight. I can see
that the new rules for '93 would allow for faster speeds along the straights
but they also will make cornering speeds significantly slower. You say that
it makes sense to you, in reference to teh new record set on '93 tires. The
tires for '93 are going to be of a harder compound, making the traction ob-
tainable from them less. Am I missing something here?
	Also, I think Robert Marti said that Sauber was going to test the C12
in '92 configuration first, to get a feel of how competetive they would be
with the current cars. Then, they would run the '93 car. 


TOBY...
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: open-wheel drag (Re: F1 Stuff)
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:40:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxMEru.Ks1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.155018.28582@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:
>>Cd's of the same car equipped with '92 tires vs '93 tires.  Actually, I'd
>>also like to see a Cd comparison between an Indy Car, a F1 car, and
>>either a WSC or IMSA GTP car.
>>

>Can't give you the exact comparison you want, but how about a bit of memory
>recall (i.e., may not be reliable).
>I once heard an Indy Car Cd is 1.2.
>
   I recently saw on this group a Cd of .98 to 1.1, depending on whether
the car was a long oval, short oval, or road course car.

Compare this to my '82 RX-7 which is .34.
>And even that is outdated, as mini-vans now do better than my sports car!!!
>
     What minivan has a Cd lower than .34. I know the Mercury Villager,
Nissan Quest, and Chrysler XXXX are fairly aerodynamic, but I haven't 
seen for sure anything around .34. Just curious.

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From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Yet more trivia from Autosport (Answers -- finally!)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:37:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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In article <1992Nov12.212902.24818@wes.on.ca> tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>I wrote much earlier...
>> The latest Autosport which arrived here Thursday (the 15 Oct issue) had
>> a little trivia contest to win a copy of Grand Prix Requiem, but I think
>> it's a little bit too late to be one of the first 10 entries... :)
>> However, I liked the questions, and I present them for your enjoyment:
>
>I have included the "correct" answers, as far as can be figured out, under
>each question.  Has Autosport printed the answers yet?
>
>>    3. What links Dick Seaman, Stirling Moss and Peter Collins?
>     >> They are all British, and all died in crashes.  Possibly all drove
>	for Mercedes or ERA.
>
Stirling Moss' racing career was ended in a crash at Goodwood in 1962,
but he wasn't killed. In fact, he was still alive as of a few years ago
and I haven't heard word of his death.

Jeff