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From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:59:58 GMT


ok, i'm not an expert on celtic music, so i was wondering why no one has        mentioned the pogues. i think 'rum, sodomy and the lash' is wonderful album
regardless of the genre. i find i don't like later pogues albums because they
don't sound as traditional (to my inexperienced ears), but perhaps to someone
with a greater exposure to celtic music the pogues just don't sound traditional/celtic enough for their liking period.
From: dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (Don Nichols (DoN.))
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: No Moggy's Lands & legal stuff
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:02:16 GMT
Organization: D and D Data, Vienna Virginia

In article <1992Aug6.202648.8924@pony.Ingres.COM> jonb@ingres.com writes:

	[ ... lots deleted ]

>As is common in these discussions, I've been seeing a lot of convincing,
>thoughtful, logical reasons why it's really a Good Thing for an artist
>when someone decides to infringe on his copyright.  ("If I can't copy
>the song then I won't sing it and then someone won't hear me sing it
>and then he won't ask who wrote it and then I won't tell him and then he
>won't go out and buy a copy of the record and then the composer will die
>penniless, so there.")  We've even heard from some actual composers who
>feel this way, and that's nice.  Maybe every single composer in the whole
>world does too, but, given the impossibility of polling all of them,
>it's also possible that there are a few who would rather that their
>copyrights be respected.  In the absence of any other evidence, I tend
>to take the standard copyright notice as evidence that that's the case.

	[ ... lots more deleted ]

	O.K. Jon, now can you come up with an answer to this?  Assume that I
have created a song.  Melody original, words original.  Now also assume that
I *WANT* anybody who wishes to sing this, free of any coersion by ASCAP,
BMI, etc.  Nobody needs to pay any fees.  I don't want somebody else to be
able to copyright the song, and then prevent *me* from performing it, or
otherwise doing as I wish with it.

	What is the simplest enforcable way of putting it in the public
domain, and at the same time, preventing anyone from copyrighting
arrangements of it and attempting to enforce those copyrights on others who
wish to sing my song?

	In otherwords, is the law able to allow me to say to the world "This
song is free for the use of all, and nobody can take that right away from
you."  Similar to the GNU Public License, I guess, applied to song.  (I
presume that you are familiar with that license, but others may not be.)
Essentially it states that anyone is free to distribute copies to others,
only so long as they do not attempt to limit subsequent distribution of
copies by the recipients.

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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Conjunto Music
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
	<1992Aug21.172852.11196@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:51:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.172852.11196@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jmorton@euler.Berkeley.EDU (John Morton) writes:

   In article <1992Aug21.003038.607@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> benjamin@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
   >
   >Can someone point me towards other good "Conjunto" recordings? (I've heard 
   >that Santiago's older brother Flaco Jimenez, lately performing with the
   >Texas Tornados, is also is fine Conjunto musician.)

   Isn't Flaco the same as Santiago, Jr.?  I think "Flaco" means "skinny".
   Santiago Sr. is (was?) a founding father of this music, which is a close 
   cousin to the Norteno music of northern Mexico. The Conjunto capital is 
   San Antonio, Texas.  I am new to this stuff also.  I am quite dazzled by 
   the pyrotechnics and humor of Flaco's playing.

See the Spring 1991 issue of Sing Out (Vol. 36 #1) for a feature article
on conjunto music.  Flaco "deviated from his father's traditional style,
playing instead an eclectic mix influenced by rock and country." 
"Santiago Jimenez, Jr. is also a son of the legendary conjunto pioneer,
but unlike Flaco, Santiago followed in his father's musical steps, playing
the traditional accordion style in his conjunto music.  He has produced
over two dozen albums which include many re-recordings of his father's
best works."
"If you can't come to San Antonio or the Southwest, you can contact
Juan Tejeda of the GCAC [Guadalupe Cultural Arts Center (1301 Guadalupe,
San Antonio, TX 78027; 512-271-3151)] for information or recommendations
on albums, labels and record shops.  Another great reservoir of conjunto
music is Chris Strachwitz and Arhoolie Records (10341 San Pablo Ave,
El Cerrito, CA  94530; 415-525-7471).  They have released a number of 
classic historic recordings and continue to be [a] major ethno-musicological
resource.  Rounder Records (1 Camp St., Cambridge, MA  02140) has also 
released recordings by Flaco, Santiago Jr. and Steve Jordan."

I'm afraid I don't know the music first-hand, but there's lots of good
info in the Sing Out article.

--
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Martin@cis.umassd.edu
From: kevin@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Kevin Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Mo Mary
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:28:33 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

When I was about four (yes, this is going back a few years) my parents 
used to play an album by Harry Belafonte with a Scottish song on it 
called "Mo Mary". Even though it was over twenty years ago I recall it 
was a hauntingly beautiful song. I'm looking for any kind of recording of 
it that exists, if anyone can help.
 
I should note that Clannad does a song called "Mo Mhaire" which is not 
the same at all.

Ideally, the Harry Belafonte version would be the best one, but I'll take 
what I can get in the best hand-me-down folk tradition.
 
KS

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From: drchip@cup.portal.com (MYRON A LIEBERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Need tune for a Paxton song
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:29:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

You can find the song on Tom Paxton's One Million Lawyers album/CD.
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: clip-on banjo resonator query
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:29:54 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

To banjo-makers or people who know banjo-makers: I am looking for
somebody who makes or might be willing to make to order a clip-on
resonator for an open-back.

Greg Deering showed me clip-on resonators that his company makes
for _Deering_ open-back banjos.  They're regular wooden resonators
that have felt-lined notches that let you just "clip" them onto
the rim of an open-back.  Even if the felt in the notches loosens
up over time, the resonator will stay on because of the weight of
the banjo against your belly (if you are standing with a strap on;
I don't know about playing one sitting down).

But Deering's clip-ons are made to fit Deering open-backs; 
I want one to fit fit my banjo, which is not a Deering.

	-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Fingerstyle" Guitarists
Date: 17 Aug 1992 20:52:38 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:

>o "Fingerpicking" is more descriptive.  This means, you
>  are using your thumb and at least a couple other fingers; and
>  you are not using a flatpick.  A fingerpicking guitarist may or
>  may not use fingerpicks.   "Fingerpicking" has been common
>  terminology for at least 20 year that I know of.  It means exactly
>  what it says: you are picking the strings with your fingers.

At least one book I picked up (but didn't buy) talked about
fingerpicking a a technique using a flat pick held with the thumb and
index finger to pick melody while using the remaining three fingers to
grab chords.  A jazz technique, mostly.

I haven't seen it used elsewhere in this manner, but I rarely look at
jazz guitar books.

I _do_ see fingerstyle and fingerpicking used in lots of other books,
though.  The main point is that the guitar is used for more than a
simple rythm instrument (strumming chords to accompany someone else's
melody) or a simple lead instrument (melody only).

Preston Briggs
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Christine Lavin:Mysterious Woman
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:47:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug17.164721.23694
Organization: Western Washington University


Bob Kanefsky brings up Christine Lavin's parody (or satire to be more
accurate) on Suzanne Vega, the song "Mysterious Woman," in which her
attempts at mysticism turn into worries about defrosting the refrigerator.
I wonder if Christine was familiar with Peter and Lou Berryman's song
"When did we have sourkraut?" in which defrosting the fridge leads to
a discussion of world peace, Oppenheimer, and of course, Columbus.  Sort
of the opposite direction of Mysterious Woman.  Good songs, both.

Rob
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fingerstyle Guitarists? (was: Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitarist discographies)
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:09:50 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <oevtifk@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge) writes:
 
|Pickless Wonders? Other Pluckers? :^) - oops! This is a family 
|newsgroup, after all... :^)

And you were so close...

How about "Pickless Pluckers"?

Sounds like a good name for a band.
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Need tune for a Paxton song
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:23:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

I want the to learn Paxton's "If you love that politician" song.
I've got the lyrics and I heard him do it in concert about 8
years ago - fraid the tune didn't stick in my head that long :-)
I don't have the recording either (is it on "The Paxton Report"?)

Does anyone know whether it's in SingOut? 

Thanks in advance,

Richard
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From: jgairns@emr1.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.120912.14740@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston) writes:
>
>	Other than Clannad, The Cheiftans etc., I would highly recommend
>Allen Stivell. He is a Breton artist who mixes traditional and modern
>instruments. Well worth a listen, even if he does sing in French (horrid
>language that).
>

	Well, I was in Ireland briefly last October and I came across a
	group called 'Oisin' ... traditional, very simple and heart
	rending.  My travelling partner became enamoured with a band called
	The Saw Doctors ... not my cup of Irish Breakfast Tea, but ...

	Jamie Gairns	gairns@ccrs.emr.ca
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Re: Conjunto Music
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 11:24:43 GMT


Arhoolie has a bout a 20 volume set of TexMEX *Norteno/Conjunto*
music. There are also miscellaneous recording too under that
lable. Get the  Valerio Longoria CABALLO VIEJO cassette/cd.
Great stuff.
  Might also checkout Augie Meyer's MY MAIN SQUEEZE. Augie was
keyboardist for the Sir Dougla Quintet and is with the Texas
Tornados.
  Dont forget LOS LOBOS, tambien and Dave Moore.
  ROUNDER has some conjunto.
  And el Rey de Polkas.. Steve Jordan.... ajua!! A one eyed
"Jimi Hendrix" of the diatonic box who used to play guitar
with Miles Davis in the 40s and 50's.
  There is also the ORQUESTRA type Tex Mex music (prime example
Little Joe, Johnny y La Familia). Dig the cumbias of TAM Y TEX
as well.
-- 
Ted....
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Words to E Bogle's  TBPWM
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 11:14:06 GMT


Anyone have the words to The Band Played Waltzing Matilda? 
Thanks,
-- 
Ted....
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From: schmid@aix.rpi.edu (David Anthony Schmidt)
Subject: Re: jigs,reels,hornpipes...(definitions)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:04:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.023812.26599@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> vu0350@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (allen lutins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.211904.29250@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
>>
>>Greetings,
>>	Is there someone out there who can provide a "layman" with 
>>definitions of the various types of "songs"?  I pretty much know a reel 
>>or a jig or a hornpipe or whatever when I hear one but lack the musical
>>vocabulary to describe the tunes.
>
>...this is not a *total* answer, but rather an important part of one:
>one easy way to tell these apart is their beat/cadence...jigs are in
>three, reels are in four (mnemonic -- jig = 3 letters; reel = 4
>letters); hornpipes are also in four, but rather than having an even
>cadence, they have a dah-di dah-di dah-di cadence (mnemonic --
>repeating the word `hornpipe' a few times, you'll notice that the
>first syllable is longer; this is what a hornpipe sounds like)...
>
>

I take exception somewhat to this explanation....first of all, the
sound of these tunes (especially hornpipes) varies from Irish music to
Scottish music.  In highland bagpipe music at least, here are the
distinctions as I see them:

A jig is usually in  6/8 time but can be in 9/8 also, it is played at
about 120 beats per minute.

A reel is almost always written in "cut time", ie 2/2, which is really 
the same as 4/4 as far as I can tell...it is played at about 88 beats per min
though this varies.

The main difference between a reel and a hornpipe that I have observed is
that a hornpipe is written in 2/4 time and is thus _twice as long_ as a 
reel, ie each part is twice as long.  Thus, in some sense, some reels
can be played as hornpipes just by repeating the whole part (ex. The Mason's
Apron and some others).  It is also played at 88-92 bpm.

What I object to in the previous post is making the distinctin based on point-
ing, since there are pointed and nonpointed variants of both reels and horn-
pipes.  Examples:

	Most reals are dot-cut, but some (Ness Pipers) are usually played
		round
	Most hornpipes are played dot-cut, but some (Raigmore, Itchy Fingers,
		Angus MacKenzie of Dumbarton) are usually played round

This applies only to Scottish pipe music; I have heard Irish pieces called
hornpipes (on Mary Bergin's whistle album) which don't have the same sound
at all.

						-Dave Schmidt

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From: witters@tc.fluke.COM (John Witters)
Subject: On Tour: The Tannahill Weavers
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Keywords: Folk, Celtic, Scottish, Music
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:24:16 GMT


I found the following in a flyer I received from Green Linnet Records.  The
typing errors are probably mine.


	The Tannahill Weavers

	Sept.

	5	Altamont, NY
		Scottish Highland Games
		(518) 438-4297

	9	Vancouver, B.C.
		W.I.S.E. Hall
		(604) 736-3022

	10	Spokane, WA
		Spokane Falls Community College
		(509) 624-7722

	11	Seattle, WA
		The Backstage
		(206) 789-1184

	12	Tucson, AZ
		Leo Rich Auditorium
		(602) 743-3217

	13	Santa Monica, CA
		McCabe's
		(213) 828-8037

	14	N. Newport Beach, CA
		The Patriot Game
		(714) 955-3868

	16	New Orleans, LA
		O'Flaherty's
		(504) 529-1317

	17	Charlotte, NC
		Elizabeth Traditional School
		(800) 822-2420

	18	Carrboro, NC
		The Arts Center
		(919) 929-2787

	19	Asheville, NC
		The Biltmore Estate
		(704) 255-1715

	20	Asheville, NC
		The Biltmore Estate
		(704) 255-1715

	23	Columbus, OH
		Stashe's
		(604) 262-2573

	24	Ann Arbor, MI
		The Ark
		(313) 761-1800

	25	Milwaukee, WI
		Centennial Hall
		(414) 372-3060

	27	Cleveland, OH
		Case-Western Reserve
		(216) 687-0788

	29	Pittsburgh, PA
		Rosebud Cafe
		(412) 261-2221

	Oct.

	3	Bedford, MA
		The Joyful Noise
		(617) 275-9075

	4	Philadelphia, PA
		The Cherry Tree
		(215) 641-0497

	7	Norfolk, VA
		Site TBA
		(804) 427-3561

	9	Colorado Springs, CO
		Colorado State Univ.
		(719) 473-4801

	10	Denver, CO
		Swallow Hill
		(303) 777-1003

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From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Subject: Re: Ann Mortifee again (was: Re: Annie Haslam, Loreena McKennit)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:40:20 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> I also wanted to comment on what I *did* find that day.  As I said I picked
> up Maura O'Connell's "Helpless Heart".

I just got it too ... it's my favorite album of hers.
I was expecting "country" but I would describe it more as "a bluegrass feel".
The instrumentation is really good.

I'm crazy about the song "Summerfly" ...

I now have 3 version:

3)  Cheryl Weaver singing it on her album ... um ... something like
    "Half a book" (sorry, title escapes me),
1)  Maura singing to on "Helpless Heart", and
2)  Maura singing in live on "The Best of Mountain Stage Vol. 2".

Does anyone know of any other versions out there?
Perhaps Cheryl Weaver doing it live?  
I wish Judy Collins would a cover on it ... maybe I'll write her  ;-)

JudyM
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Runrig - US concert dates?
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:35:00 GMT


In article <51577@dime.cs.umass.edu>, krovetz@sydney.cs.umass.edu (Bob Krovetz) writes...
>Does anyone know where (and when) Runrig will be appearing
>in concert in the US?
> 
As far as I know, this info isn't available yet. As for when, it'll be
around the time of their Canadian concerts - I posted details of these to
the net last week.

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From: wrp@psl1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: So whatever happened to that new Shawn Colvin album, anyway?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:24:51 GMT
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

In article <1992Aug12.124207.6933@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> lucchesi@iris611.gsfc.nasa.gov (Rob Lucchesi) writes:
>
>Does anyone up in Philly have any more info about this "5 Star" lineup.  Who
>else is going to be playing?   How much are tickets?  Are they on sale yet?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The concert is Thurs, Sept. 17th at 7:00 at the Mann Music Center.

The line up is:

	Happy Rhodes
	Jeffrey Gaines
	Live
	Shawn Colvin
	10,000 Maniacs

Tickets go on sale this Saturday (Aug 15th).

The will be the first performance by 10,000 Maniacs on their tour for
their new album.

It is a benefit concert for World Cafe and Action Aids.  (Two parts
World Cafe and one part Action Aids)  

There are a limited number of seats in a special "Friends of World
Cafe & Action Aids" section, (supposedly the best seats) that will be
offered at a special open house at the WXPN studios that day.  If you
can't go to the studio, you can call (215) 898-8868 for tickets that day.

You can get tickets from TicketMaster(?) ranging from $25 to $12.50 (lawn
seating) per ticket.  The special seats can be obtained for a $50
donation.



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From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyrics request: I'm a Wanker
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:34:37 GMT

In <1992Aug20.192227.2491@nic.csu.net> lehre@nic.csu.net writes:

>In 1980 at a session in Alice Springs, Australia, I heard a lad from
>CSIROsing an extremely funny song entitled "I'm A Wanker."  I'd be
>grateful ifsomeone could send me the lyrics and/or give me a source
>reference.  Ibelieve he learned it from a record. Thanks very much.

Memory from my school days - I believe the song was written by a character
named Cox? under the very intellectual pseudonym of "Ivor Biggun"
I found it funny when I was fifteen, but I haven't heard any of it since

Hope this helps - he's British by the way (I think)

Andy



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University of Southampton
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