From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:38:00 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1bdatgINNhb4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>
>I wish to correct just a few of Ms. Aldoubosh's errors.

Thanks for your politically correct formality :-).

>In a previous article, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor
>Aldoubosh) says:
>
>>I guess Mr. Stein wouldn't say how many Palestinians have been murdered
>>by his fellow Israelis ...
>
>Being an American, I do not have "fellow Israelis."

But isn't Israel you homeland?  Aren't Israelis your people?  Don't
you support the government of Israel completely and fully?  (Or is
it just convenient to disown them as you like ... I don't know YOU
tell me!)

>>either through Undercover Squads or through the
>>typical terrorist measures used by the Occupational Forces to squash
>>the intefadeh.
>
>The numbers I estimated included those Arabs who died while violently
>resisting capture by the undercover squads.  Since there are no "typical
>terrorist measures" used by the IDF, the latter figure is obviously 0.

But you did *not* say this in your former posting.  You did not separate
the two factors - you just said that (to memory) the number of Palestinians
who died in the intefada were at the hands of other Palestinians and you
did not even mention Israeli undercover terrorist squads.  Furthermore, you
justified Israel's totalitarian and inhumanitarian policies on Palestinians
in the occupied territories by suggesting that the Palestinians who oppose
this are the ones to blame for their deaths.  That is pretty damn racist,
Mr. Stein.  And I would like you to pick up any newspaper and magazine from
the time of the intefada to now to see what kind of tactics the "IDF" uses.
Don't you consider death squads to be a terrorist measure?  How about
confiscatory taxes?  Exile?

>>It's always
>>better to blame fellow Arabs and to suggest that their deaths were
>>caused by rock-throwing children and teenagers, in their resistance to
>>the Occupation of their homes.
>
>There's a saying, "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."  If one
>wishes to fight violently, then one shouldn't complain if those you are
>fighting against act to protect themselves.

Protecting themselves?  Protecting themselves!!!  We wish to fight,
violent if and when necessary, to protect our rights, dignity, and
self-worth that Israel has almost succeeded in taking away from us!

>When children throw rocks, molotov cocktails, etc., it's appropriate to
>treat them as violent individuals, not innocent children. 

And when adults disquise themselves to go committ murder in cold blood,
shoot to kill defenseless people, demolish the homes of innocent families,
and arm themselves with deadly weapons to attack rock-throwing children,
its appropriate to threat them as violent individuals, not protect them
and justify their actions as innocent adults.

Anisa

	"Targets of the death squads are young Palestinians whom the
	Israeli army considers 'activists', a term that could
	include any supporter of the intifada."
						Rachelle Marshall