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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes remixing
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:20:18 GMT


I am not vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes).  I didn't say:
>>so like i said, get me a tape of the vocal track and the finished mix for
>>reference.
>
>Doing it for fun from the CD is one thing, but asking for the vocal track
>is another. In all seriousness, if Happy wants extended remixes of her
>songs, she'll do it herself. Don't mean to sound snippy, but Angelos, 
>Jon Drukman (who I like even though he made Kate R**e) remixing Happy's
>music is *not*, IMHO, a wise idea. Count me in as an Ectophile who *would*
>like to hear PoJo remixed.....by Happy herself.

oh please.  everyone knows that artists are never objective enough to do
good remixes of their own work.  except me, of course.

kate r**e was a joke.  anything i do to happy would be more of a joke since
i don't even have any fond affection for her in the first place.  but hey,
it'll probably be all the better for it.  our rozalla remix was great
because we removed 99.9% of the vocals (a definite improvement).

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:55:48 -0500
From: kortink@cs.utwente.nl (John Kortink)
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Subject: Reminisce
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Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca writes:

> Gosh (!) it's been quiet lately!  Why don't we all reminisce?  What was the 
> first KaTe song everybody heard and how/where did they hear it?

Nice question. Reminisce of this stuff is always nice.

It seems a lot of you folks are 'laters'. I picked up on her music when
TKI came out, and my brother (I wasn't buying records yet) continued to
follow her record releases. Wuthering Heights must have been my very
first 'contact'.

I never actually bought 'vinyl' though, all this stuff that came out was
on tape (via my brother's copies), and I could not afford records anyway
at that time, but when I got into CD's around 8 years ago, some time after
I started my first buy was the (then brandnew) HOL. Quite quickly after that
I gradually bought all the regular 'older' albums (couldn't afford to buy 'm
all at once, sadly).

I still have definite, positive *chills* when listening to any of her albums,
and, although it varies, I particularly trip on Never for Ever, Lionheart and
The Dreaming. I always listen to them in the evenings, with my headphones on
(which some people regard as a quirk, I think it increases involvement, and
it's a brilliant headphone anyway ;').

In all my life, having been exposed to a *lot* of music (and my collection
of CD's numbers 200 now), I've only ever had a handful of artists on my list
(maybe 4 or 5) that *never* failed to give me a thrill, even if I listened
to their work for years and years and years. She's one of them, definately !

It's so sad there's too much to collect ... ;-)

Can anybody tell me how the Lioness at Heart and Never for Ever boxed sets
are ? Is the CD different ? How are the photographs ? (Why are they so
expensive ? ... Wait, don't answer that :-().


John Kortink

Student of Informatics at the University of Twente, The Netherlands
(God, will I ever stop doing things 'on the side' and get it done?)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:03:31 -0500
From: kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher)
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From: kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher)
Subject: Re: (no subject given!)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:03:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.202518.19908@novell.com> bbaker@Novell.COM (Brad Baker) writes:
>In article <9211051821.AA12119@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.202513.4183@novell.com> bbaker@na.novell.com writes:
>>>
>>>I would highly recommend checking out a group called
>>>
>>>   THE INNOCENCE MISSION
>>>
>>>if you can find their albums.
>>>
>>>The first debut album is very Tori-ish.  The second album sounds
>>>like a cross between the 10,000 Maniacs and the Cocteau Twins, at least
>>>to me.
>>>
>>>- Bako -
>>
>>Hmmm.  Interesting.  I got this album as a review copy for the student paper
>>here, and didn't like it at ALL.  I couldn't understand a word the singer was
>>saying.  All the songs sounded the same, and all but one or two seemed 
>>practically tuneless.
>>


Ack!  I forgot that I posted here, and my post got posted without a subject and
I never bothered checking the <no subject here>s to see if anyone replied.  And
people obviously replied...

>Which album? I assume you are referring to their second album called "Umbrella"
>I think. 

That's the one...

>BTW, what is "tuneless" and what is a "tune".  Is is something desirable?
>Should all songs have to conform to this "tune" structure?  Is recognition
>of a songs lyrics important?  I can't understand much of Elvis Costello's
>lyrics, yet I think most would agree that he writes great lyrics.  I've seen
>many a message on this newsgroup asking for lyrics to Kate songs.  

Tuneless.  Hmmm.  Maybe "melodiousness" would be better.  It's not that I'm
looking for some kind of catchy hummable tune, but it'd be nice to have some
way of telling one song from another.
As for lyrics -- no, I don't consider it that necessary to understand the
lyrics (after all, I do like R.E.M.) but since I didn't like the music, either,
the fact that I couldn't understand a word she said also helped me to dislike
this band.

>I can see not liking Umbrella, but I would have thought different reasoning
>from a reader of this group (no flame intended).

I was a bit surprised, myself.  I was all excited because the press kit said
that IM's influences were Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel.  I was looking forward
to some really great stuff; it's not like I listened to it expecting not to
like it.


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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:44:53 -0500
From: stev0@sti.com (Steve Berlin)
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Subject: Rumors
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Hi -

Having been forced to do non-net-related things the last month (did you
miss me?), a couple of weeks ago, I heard on our local alternative
(read as: "If it's not the Smiths, it's REM") radio station that the
new Kate album will be out in Feb. of '93.  While I doubt it, I wonder
if anyone has any word on this.  If this topic is a dead horse 'round
here, E-mail me and save everyone some bandwidth.

- Stev0 the returining warrior (or is that worrier?)

________________________________________ ___I_`.*.'_B_ __________"I just know 
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:41:18 -0500
Subject: Re: KAte
From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart Castergine)
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> In article <9211020933.AA01719@bot35>, u9031227@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
>  writes...>...[stuff deleted]  Personally I think Prince's
> >music has as much in common with Kate's as a cup of hot vegatable
> >soup has with an armadillo...> 
> 
> BIG HELLO to you too Allen, 
>    Actually armadillo will go quite nice with soup. When grilled, armadillo
> has a distinctly wild but chicken-like flavor. University of Florida has an
> annual "Armadillo Roast" to raise money for the Archaeology scholarship fund,
> lots of fun and always one armadillo roasted for intrepid grad students to
> taste as a rite of passage.  But to KaTe and Prince..why not? Prince is quite
> an interesting composer and has changed the interplay of *rhythm and blues*
> with pop and electronic music made sensual.  This new album would be very 
> eclectic as well as electronic, and have ROOTS.   CAN'T WAIT!
> 
> Luv, Judy

I dunno. My feelings about Prince's music have always been in the realm
of "Ugh!" Sure, he's "interesting." Interesting is a euphemism some
people use to describe things when they're searching for a more polite
term than "garbage."

And even if he is good, I hope there is not a strong Prince influence
on Kate's next album. Kate is special, and when I listen to her music, I
want to hear her creativity, not Prince's not Eric Clapton's, not Peter
Gabriel's. When I want to hear them, I buy their albums. I don't mind
their participation, as long as their talents are clearly subordinate to
Her creative urges.

Kate has ROOTS. And her roots are not Prince's roots. Tell Prince to
keep his roots to himself! :-)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:48:08 -0500
From: marc@owlnet.rice.edu (Marc Bennett Hirsh)
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Subject: My first KaTe experience
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My sister used to listen to Kate a lot, and I would make fun of both of
them, my sister for listening and Kate for having such a silly voice 
(please forgive me, I was young and foolish). But, the music was slowly
creeping into my brain. So one day I was looking through the records at 
the local library when I ran across "The Whole Story." A combination of
remembering some of the songs and falling instantly in love with the 
incredibly beautiful cover picture made me check it out. After listening
a few times and falling more in love with some of the inner pictures, I
purchased "Hounds of Love" and was... moderately impressed. I liked it
more each time I heard it, though, so I bought "The Kick Inside," which
has its moments, but isn't great, IMHO. So, a little later I got a CD
player and went to a record store where they were having a sale, and 
"The Dreaming" was $9.99. I remembered liking "Sat In Your Lap" so I
bought it. And this is where it really took off. I must have listened
to this album 10 times in the next week, partly because it was one of
2 CDs that I owned (the other being Crowded House's "Temple of Low Men,"
a great album BTW), but also because I was completely amazed. The only 
other album I have now is "The Sensual World" (does "Little Eartquakes"
count?:), but I believe "Never For Ever" will be next.

Also, because I was so damned intrigued by "Wuthering Heights" the song,
I decided to read the book to perhaps see what the hell Kate was singing
about. Be prepared for a shock because this is probably the first time
you will hear of a 15 year old male not being able to put this book 
down. I couldn't stop reading it because I had to know what happened
next. When a teacher in school asked me what was the last good book we
read and I said, "Wuthering Heights," not ONE of my classmates believed
that A) I LIKED it and B) I read it for myself and not for a class. To
this day, it remains my absolute favorite piece of literature, and I 
have Kate Bush to thank for it. Perhaps Ulysses will be next...
-- 
Marc Hirsh (marc@owlnet.rice.edu)

"`Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor, get rid of
   it,' got it."
   --- snappy end-of-file sign-off rip-off quote from The Jerk

\ /
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:02:08 -0500
Message-ID: <1992Nov11.700.61427@channel1>
From: eric.walker@channel1.com (Eric Walker)
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Subject: ran tan and the straight
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


UG>Correlation does not imply causation.  An awful lot of folks have commented
UG>that they agree with the seeming high percentage of gay/lesbian/bi KaTefans.
UG>If we believe these admittedly unscientific observations, then there
UG>*is* a relationship between one's sexual preference and their 'love for KaTe'

     I've always felt that the gay/straight/Kate connection is completely
     obvious.  My argument is as follows:

     1) If you believe that the gay lifestyle is immoral, obscene,
     blasphemous, and otherwise evil, and you desire to have gay people
     arrested and otherwise persecuted (for examples, see the recent
     Colorado elections), then you are obviously close-minded and a
     product of homophobic, racist elements in our society.

     2) The belief that one person is somehow "less" than another person
     is the antithesis of true Kateness, which professes that ALL human
     beings deserve to coexist and love one another, no matter what
     silly little differences they have in sexual preference, skin
     colour, age, reproductive organs, choice of deities, etc.

     3) Therefore, gay-bashers and racists are not, and can never be,
     true Love-Hounds.

     On a similar note:

     1) If you believe in the message of Kate's music - love for everyone,
     of the same sex or otherwise, then you are obviously an enlightened
     individual who knows what this world could be like if everyone
     stopped listening to those idiots who believe in a society of "us"
     and "them."  (See also the Republican Convention for examples of
     "Us vs. Them" philosophy.)

     2) As tolerance, acceptance, and recognition among the Love-Hounds of
     the equality of all the so-called "alternative" lifestyles becomes
     more commonplace, those people who are traditionally lumped into the
     "them" category - different sexual preference, skin colour, age,
     choice of deities, etc. - are naturally drawn to the goodness, purity,
     and righteousness of Kate fans, because true Kate fans know that all
     human beings deserve to coexist and love one another.

     3) Therefore, we see an appropriate mix of gay and "straight" Kate
     fans, because Kate fans are interested in the MUSIC and not in each
     other's private lives.

     This may be a little idealistic, but it should get the point across.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:18:12 -0500
From: brenta@microsoft.COM
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From: brenta@microsoft.com (Brent Aliverti)
Subject: The Innocence Mission
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:15:25 GMT
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In article <9211051821.AA12119@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca wrote:

Re: THE INNOCENCE MISSION

> 
> Hmmm.  Interesting.  I got this album as a review copy for the student paper
> here, and didn't like it at ALL.  I couldn't understand a word the singer was
> saying.  All the songs sounded the same, and all but one or two seemed 
> practically tuneless.
> 
> I'm a big fan of Tori, Sarah, Jane, and Kate, too.
> 
> Any other opinions?


Wow.  I have to strongly disagree.  I think this is definitely an album that
rewards repeated listenings.  I first got a cassette of this from a friend
who worked at a record store.  On first listen, I sort of dismissed them
as Kate Bush clones (the lead singer, Karen Perris, even has a look similar
to Kate (IMHO)).  Anyway, a couple weeks went by and something was nagging
at me to give it another chance, so I did.

I found their music to be very melodic.  Karen's vocals are sweet, but
never shrill.  Their guitars are somewhat folky, similar to the Sundays', but
more electric at times.  The lyrics seem very heartfelt, being introspective,
uplifting, and sad at that same time.  In particular, I found "Notebook" to be
a wonderful song.

Subtleties come out with repeated listens.  Songs that at first sound the same,
diverge.  (Incidentally, my first exposure to David Sylvian was "Secrets of the
Beehive".  I thought a lot of the songs sounded the same.  But again, with 
repeated listenings, subtle nuances come out that give each song it's own color.)

The (Innocence Mission) album is now out-of-print I believe, but I've seen some 
copies in cut-out racks for $6.99 CD (in the Seattle area, at least).

My advice is: Give it a listen and decide for yourself.


Brent Aliverti     brenta@microsoft.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:33:40 -0500
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On 10 Nov 92 15:29:51 GMT, u9177647@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk said:

christian> cc:u9177647@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
christian> Subject:Kate
..
christian> christian 

HELLO!

Yet another Queen's person! 
That makes three: you, Allen and me.
I'm quite pleased.
But, be warned: Americans may not know what a Soda Farl is...

BTW: Did I tell you my KT-Shirt shrank in the wash?

temple
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:56:55 -0500
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From: quaker!gerstel@vpbuild.vp.com
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Subject: The Dreaming as first KaTe experience
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_The Dreaming_ as a first KaTe album??  I wouldn't suggest it.  I bought _The
Dreaming_ first, on a suggestion from a friend, and almost got turned off to
KaTe by it.  It's a little deep, and a little heavy, to listen to as a
newcomer.  I got to like it, but only after buying _Hounds of Love_ and falling
for it immediately.

I would suggest that a KaTefan wannabe either buy _Hounds of Love_ first, or
buy the albums in chronological order.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:04:08 -0500
From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
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Subject: Re: First Kate Experience
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news@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU writes:

>Oddly enough I was not enchanted with Kate the first time I heard
>her.  I remember it was in 1987 and my lover wanted me to hear
>this unusual song based on Emily Bronte's book Wuthering Heights.
>After about 15 seconds I asked him to please take the needle
>off the record--I thought it was horrible!

My response was exactly the opposite. "Wuthering Heights" was the
first song I ever heard (in 1981) and within 15 seconds I realized
that I'd begun a love affair that would last me the rest of my life.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:51:32 -0500
Subject: Theft and Kate
From: rhill@netrun.cts.com (ronald hill)
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        Regarding the notion that Kate used to steal as a child, I have 
no info on whether or not that was true, (yet I somehow doubt it).  
REgarding the idea that she would somehow condone stealing of her 
music, or anything else, the only quote I can think of is the 
following.  She doesn't come out and say "stealing is bad", and she doe 
s say that "it isn't worth it."  

        The quote is regarding "there goes a tennor"


Yeah.  What made you think about it?  I mean, have you run into these 
east end types before?
        No, no.  I think it was much more the thing of watching a lot 
of films, things like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, you know.  
There are lots of films where robberies take place and yet they glorify 
them, they always make the robbery something very heroic and fun, risky 
and dangerous, but for me it's something incredibly scary, something 
that has such a potential of going wrong that it's not worth the risk, 
and I don't think it's something that should be glorified at all.  I 
think it's something that should be made very real, so that people 
realize it's not worth the effort - it's not something that's fun, it's 
something that's just not worth the effort.  You'll end up in gaol for 
thirty years!


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