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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:27:12 EST
From: Joni Snyder <JSNYDER@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: **> DISCOVERY TOYS <**
Distribution: usa
 <1992Dec30.191509.6219@oakhill.sps.mot.com>

In article <1992Dec30.191509.6219@oakhill.sps.mot.com>,
johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (John Morris) says:
>
>In article 29906@sparky.imd.sterling.com, marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
>writes:
>My wife and I are real new in the toy business. If anyone wants a catalog,    l
>we'l
>mail it to you for FREE! Several of the toys are on sale in Jan/Feb.

What's on sale in Jan/Feb?

Joni Snyder

>John M. Morris                          e-mail: johnm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: _whine_
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:21:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Well, here it is, Christmas eve, and I've got a 3-year-old girl with
strep throat _and_ chicken pox. The first year that she was really 
looking forward to Christmas at her Grandma's house with all the relatives.

Oh well, the bright side is that most of the relatives are local. It is the
only time each year that we get them all in one place, though. (And my sister,
who has 3 kids, was just too smug when she said "I guess we won't be seeing 
you on Christmas."

And I think one side effect of the chicken pox is a constant whine ...

Susan




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Summary: Fine Art of Introducing Solids
Keywords: infant feeding
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.223640.18299@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.212205.8663@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns) writes:
>>rice and dry oatmeal cereal), but now he submits to canned rice cereal
>>with fruit. That's a big no-no in some people's books because it may
>>get him accustomed to sweet things. But that's what we're feeding him.
>
>I remember reading that in several books. They suggested that you offer a
>veggie first. High on the list of veggies to offer were squash and sweet
>potato. So I cooked a squash for Jeffrey as a first veggie and sweet potato
>for his second veggie. Both were at least as sweet as the apple sauce I
>made him for his first fruit! I wouldnt worry about it.

My standard advice to people who worry that babies will get a sweet
tooth if they get fruits before veggies is: taste your breastmilk! It
is gagging sweet, and a little mushed apple is nothing in comparison.
Squash, sweet potatoes, and other yellow veggies are high in Vitamin
A. My doctor wanted me to introduce yellow veggies before green ones
for just that reason.

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: scary things they do, age 3
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:30:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

The other day, I was installing some phone wiring in my parents' house.
Daniel was watching, and asking questions about the tools.  He was especially
fascinated by a pair of pliers, when he was told that it wasn't a wire
cutter, but did have a blade for cutting wires.  I turned my back to plug
in the phone, and my father let Daniel hold the pliers.  The next thing
we knew there was a flash and a pop!

Fortunately, the handles on the pliers were insulated.  And Daniel now
understands that wires leading to clock radios also have electricity in
them...  And yes, he was truly and thoroughly frightened by what happened...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rolf@geoserv (Rolf Wilson)
Subject: Re: Protecting children in Public Schools
Reply-To: rolf@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:25:30 GMT

  Well, if you believe in all the things in the letter, homeschooling
would the only way to go. Any school that followed everything in that
letter would have their students do nothing but nap time, with perhaps
a little addition and subtraction thrown in. Multiplication would,
of course, be too outre.
-- 
Rolf Wilson     Illinois State Geological Survey    rolf@geoserv.isgs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marita_gonsalves@ncsu.edu (Marita Gonsalves)
Subject: Why didn't Santa bring me a car?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: D. H. Hill Library, NCSU
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:04:41 GMT

Our soon-to-be 4 YO is really keen on getting a battery operated car & she
is hoping that Santa will oblige.  Unfortunately (for her), we do not want
to spend $200+ on a single toy that is of dubious value [knowing her the
way we do, this expensive toy will be tossed aside once the novelty wears
off].  We've told her that it would be a good idea for her to give Santa a
wide choice of things she would like to have.  We've also told her that
Santa has to give toys to a lot of children around the world, some of whom
have less than what she has, and therefore, we should only ask Santa to
bring things that are inexpensive.  

Having explained to her that Santa has to bring toys for all the kids in
the world, how do we respond if she finds out that "Santa" brought a car
for one of her friends in pre-school.  Any advice/suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.

Marita Gonsalves
marita_gonsalves@ncsu.edu
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Transition Times/Objects
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:59:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Do any of you more experienced parents have any advice about this
situation?

My daughter Abigail is 19 months old and goes to a family daycare every
weekday afternoon.  My husband takes her there and I pick her up.  She seems
perfectly content when he leaves her and seems to have a fine time when
she's there.  When I arrive at the end of the day, though, she'll flash me
a big grin for a second, but then move immediately into near hysteria.  She
runs around and picks up her things (snowsuit, hat, backpack, lambskin,
doll or animal), brings them over to me and points very urgently, then runs
on to the next object, all the while almost-crying.  She doesn't yet talk
(except for "no" and "yeah"), though her comprehension is quite good.

My usual routine has been to accept all of her objects and proceed to pack
them up and then to put on her snowsuit/jacket - but despite her apparent
urgency, this always elicits frantic screams, and I wind up having to more
or less force it on.  She's usually not happy about putting on her jacket
in other situations, but this is always the worst, (though her daycare
provider says Abigail is always cooperative about getting dressed with
*her* (figures, eh?)).  This has been going on for several weeks now, and
at first I figured it was just a phase and we'd eventually move out of it.
It seems to have gotten more intense lately, though, and I'm having a
harder time dealing with it.  What's also been happening lately is that she
want to hold things throughout the process, and during all other
transitions into and out of one place to another.  We figured this is the
beginnings of the common attachment to a "transition object," but she wants
to hold 3 or 4 things, and different ones all the time.

So, what can you tell me about this?  Is this kind of behavior common?  Is
there anything I can do to reduce the stress/anxiety for both of us?
Should I try to slow down the packing up process?  Should I encourage
attachment to one particular thing?  Does her rush to pack up and leave 
indicate something about how she's feeling at daycare, or is it just about 
having a hard time dealing with the transition? 

Thanks for your thoughts,
Cindy
email ccarpent@bbn.com
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Just say no: was Sesame Street having "sassy" kids.
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:10:09 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Dec18.193031.10992@tms390.micro.ti.com> nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith) writes:

>As for the kids, most of the smaller ones that appear on that show tend
>to come accross as shy, needing prompting from the adults or muppet
>characters.  Sassy?  What sassy?  Where sassy?  I have to ask myself what
>the educator meant who said this.  Depending on the adult, some consider
>jokes, playing, or even asking questions about what's going on to be 
>sassy (i.e., bad behavior); others are more reasonable/lax, and don't
>consider it sassy unless it's very rude or disruptive.  This confusion in
>definition may be what the problem is here.

This reminded me of a conversation I had with a boy at the mall a few
months ago.  My husband and 3 year old son, Thomas, were getting their
hair cut.  There was a little boy (maybe 5-6) there waiting for his
mother.  Thomas was talking to me and I asked him a question
(can't remember now what), and Thomas answered "No" in a very matter-
of-fact voice.  He wasn't being nasty or "sassy", just expressing
disagreement.  Well, this little boy got real upset and said "He
said a nasty word!!  Aren't you going to punish him??".  When I asked 
him what word, he said that "no" is a nasty word that his mother never 
allows him to say!!!  I was shocked!!!  Has anyone else ever heard of 
this?  I could understand it if Thomas had said, in a very nasty tone, 
"NOOO" (like he does sometimes), to something I told him to do, but 
evidently, this little guy was NEVER allowed to say no to his mother.  
What do you all think, isn't it important to let kids know they can have 
opinions that don't always conform to others?  Isn't it important to 
let them express themselves and convey what they think?  Are they any 
of you out there that agree with not allowing a child to say "no"?

Marian Dabay
Date: Sunday, 20 December 1992 10:47:16 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: About circumcision
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Distribution: world

In <1992Dec19.192420.2036@ncsu.edu>, acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette)  wrote:
# 
# In article <1992Dec19.015857.25809@colorado.edu>, maman@mars.Colorado.EDU (Nathan M. Maman) writes:
# |> By another way, Rambam (Maimonides) explained why Jews are
# |> circumsized.  The hygienic part is not the main part.  I remember
# |> (well I hope) he wrote that humans were made perfect by God but as
# |> they were part mud, they have a moral imperfection: they like sex too
# |> much.  So to avoid masturbation and lust, they remove this part so the
# |> penis will irritate easily.

# That really bugs me.  Religeous leaders know little enough about sex just to make them
# dangerous.  Unless of course we're talking about stopping the spread of aids. NOT.

  How to say this?  The RaMBaM lived almost a thousand years ago and
  was a physician of such note that his medical writings were standard
  texts until quite recently.  Unlike Catholic priests, rabbis are NOT
  celibate -- in fact, marriage is practically a requirement for being
  taken seriously.  Oops.

# But, I am truely offended that now I find out no anesthetic is used,  and
# their seems to be no reason for this,  unless the rabbis from the Jewish faith seem
# to have the same problems as the catholic priesthood,

  Actually, rabbis have very little to do with it.  It's purely a
  medical decision.  Anesthetics, like ALL drugs, have their
  downsides and infants are particularly sensitive.  On the other
  hand, thousands of years' experience has taught that when a
  circumcision is performed QUICKLY and SKILLFULLY, the child takes
  it about as well as the heel-prick used to diagnose PKU.  (Hey!
  there's another abuse we can campaign against!)

#                                                        with little kids that is.
# And no,  I am not sure what religeon my mother was practicing at that point...seems 
# as though she tried several out in the 60's.

  Is her mother Jewish?  If not, you can forget Judaism.

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whining and semantics...any single parents out there?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 08:11:27 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Denise Fischer writes:


There are so many REAL parenting issues. Why do we spend
time debating over the semantics of saying "We're pregnant" 
(just once I would have loved to have the opportunity
to say that) or flaming people asking for advice or debating 
over who gets to change the diaper? Some days I wish misc.kids
looked more like a safe place to get information
**********************

Well, I think misc.kids *is* a safe place to get information-
I have been amazed at the support and caring and willingness
to share resources and information here. And I know there
are plenty of parents out here (including single moms)
who share your interests and concerns.

But as the person who started the dialogue (to put it
politely) on men saying "we're pregnant", allow me
to explain:

For me, as a feminist and linguist (and person), semantics
*are* important - more important, I guess, than they are
to the many people who replied, basically, "chill out".
Language is what we use to express what we think and feel, and
I think the words we choose are (often) significant - and
certainly in this case, for me. And believe me, if the 
phrase had been used in my house, it *would* have been
a "real parenting issue"! ;)

And I like that I can ask about Isabel's constipation,
share a cute story, reply to a childcare question, *and*
participate in discussions that are more "philosophical".
And if people sometimes post without thinking first, or
flame unecessarily, well, it happens. In most cases, I
think people mean well.

(though even I am pretty tired of circumcision discussions!)

-Dena
From: seb1@druhi.ATT.COM (Sharon Badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:31:08 GMT

In article <1492.9212301516@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
> My point being that I feel I took full responsibility for my
> healthcare. I was extremely involved in, and educated about,
> almost all of the decisions related to my pregnancy and birthing
> care. *And* I chose a high-intervention birth for my daughter.
> 
> So, while I appreciate the informative posts on homebirthing,
> which I think is a good option for many, I do *not* appreciate
> (what seems to me to be) the self-righteous tone of some of the
> posters. Your choice was best for you (and is worth hearing about,
> for those who may not be as well-informed) and that's great. But
> don't assume that different choices imply less willingness
> to take responsibility, or anything else.

Thanks for saying what I was going to say. Well sort of. I had my
daughter in hospital but it was a low intervention birth. I know
compared to many of my friends, my experience in the hospital was
very good. I don't think all hospitals give the kind of service
and attention to the mother (and father) that Boulder Community
does. More women should demand the kind of birth experience they
want. Just because you decide to have a baby in the hospital
(because you are more comfortable there for any one of a million
reasons) does not mean that you give up all control of the exp-
erience. I would have been very upset if that were true in my
case. But the staff want it to be your experience and don't
force any interventions on the parents. DEMAND WHAT YOU WANT!
YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER!!

Personally, I wouldn't give up that jacuzzi in the labor room for
anything. I know that many hospitals don't offer this which is a
shame because it made my labor a lot more pleasant! Also, I'm glad
that it wasn't my house that got messed up. Labor and birth is one
messy experience!

Sharon Badian
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: atkins@stimpy.CND.HP.COM (Brian Atkins)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:45:17 GMT
Subject: Educational PC games info wanted
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I am looking for a source of information on educational games for
kids (for 386 IBM PC clones).  

I bought Treehouse from Broderbund and am very disappointed.  But before 
I exchange it, I'd like to bone up on the educational games market.

1) Are there any magazines/news letters which review educational games 
	(CU, Parents, PC rags, etc.)?

2) Are there any mailing lists and/or notes groups where this type of
	information is discussed (there are a dozen or so permutations
	of "games.ibm.pc" notes groups, and rather than try them all,
	I'd like a pointer)?

Any info would be great!  Please respond via mail, as I don't
normally read this group.

Brian Atkins

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From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Low-cost lambskins? Where?
Date: 25 Dec 1992 13:57:32 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: global
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

5 years back when we had Annie, whole lambskins for babies were going for
about $60 and up; but the hospital gift shop had a batch they were letting
go for $35.  We got one and it was great and Annie still sleeps with it 
sometimes.

Anyway, with #2 on the way, I want to get another one, but prices sure haven't
dropped in the meantime - anybody have pointers to where I can pick one up
for under (hopefully way under) $60?  (Maybe some of our NZ readers!  Although
the shipping would be pretty steep...)

 
--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .
From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Personal Security device
Date: 24 Dec 92 14:53:59 GMT
Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Physio-Control

In article 2315@hsdndev.UUCP, traite@eros.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite) writes:
>In article <BzoEy6.5M7@apollo.hp.com> daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM (Dave Daniels) writes:
>   __stuff deleted__
>
>>My sister goes to the local college and things are getting very
>>dangerous for her. I started investigating different personal
>>safety devices that she could carry with her for protection. I 
>>found-out about this product in the local paper that is sold by
>>a company called Quorum Int. I ended up buying her one after 
>>checking it out and she loves it. She showed them to her friends 
>>at college and several of them bought one also. The product sells
>>for $29 and is the size of a beeper. It clips onto your belt and
>>if you feel threatened or uneasy you pull the pin out of it and 
>>it sets off a 107 decibel ear-splitting noise that will alert
>>passer-bys or scare away they would be attacker. 
>>
>
>__more stuff deleted__
>
>I also own a really neat safety device called a police whistle. It's
>been on my  key chain for at least 10 years.  It's *VERY* loud and
>it cost me no where NEAR $29! BTW, it's the size of my thumb (and I've
>got small hands!! :) )
>
>

That's terrific! All you have to do is say, "King's X" or "Time Out"
and the perp will pause so you can fumble around and find the thing,
take a deep breath, stick the whistle in your mouth, and blow it all
out through the whistle.   And a large fist in the mouth or a choke
hold turns it off so well, too, without having to pay for an expensive
switch!  That's a REAL money saver!  And children are so level-headed
and capable, they'd never merely play with it, and they'd ALWAYS have
the time to use it!

Such a thing may be useful for an Amulet to ward off Evil Spirits, but
I hope Reality never bites you in the butt.

You've decided what your life, health, and safety are worth.  Others
may think differently.  If that little $29 device works once when its
needed, it's worth every penny.

>My Best!
>
>___
>Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
>Statistical Programmer                   |
>SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
>Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |
>
><> IT IS A VIRTUE TO HAVE AN OPEN AND INQUISITIVE MIND. <>

Indeed it is.

harryb@phred

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Brittanius (shocked):  Caesar, this is not proper.
Theodotus (outraged):  How?
Caesar (recovering his self possession):  Pardon him, Theodotus:  He is
a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and islands are
the laws of nature.

		--Caesar and Cleopatra, Act II, George Bernard Shaw
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From: anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: About circumcision
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:13:45 GMT
Organization: Mincom

In article <1992Dec23.144601.14216@netnews.noc.drexel.edu>, giamomj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Mike G.) writes:
> Re: A few facts about circumcision
> In article <house.725078735@helios> ron house, house@helios.usq.EDU.AU
> writes:
>>But a woman might well complain if some mindless parent had cut one of
>>her breasts off.  The point is not what we are born with, but whether we
>>have been deliberately mutilated - THAT is something everyone would have
>>a perfect right to feel aggrieved about.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Ron House.                 USQ
>>(house@helios.usq.edu.au)  Toowoomba, Australia.
> 
> Ron - 
> 
> Please tell me here in America if the Australians circumcise with such
> ferocity as your American counterparts. Thanks for picking up the threads
> on this post. I don't know your status, but I'm cut and regret what might
> have been. I think it's just plain unfair to mutilate a penis for no good
> reason.
THey don't. (Sorry, I'm not Ron.) In fact I read that where in various
countries around the world the rate of circumcision varied from 10-25% (UK,
Scandinavia, Italy, Australia etc) the rate in the US is 80%!

When I was pregnant I didn't discuss it with my husband until my sister
asked me what we were going to do (late in the pregnancy.) My husband,
who is circumcised, didn't even hesitate - no circumcision for us.
We were never asked by anyone in the hospital if we wanted it done. If my
obstetrician asked befoehand, it must have been very casually because I
don't remember it. My sister had to argue with her husband before he 
agreed that their son wouldn't be circumcised. I suppose that's why she 
asked me. I think it is not much of an issue here.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anita Graham
anita@mincom.oz.au
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: embarrassing things they do
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:58:40 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.


My three year old (last year) saw a "large" lady in a black dress and promptly
said in a *very* loud voice, "Look, mom, the Sea Witch!" (from the Little
Mermaid).

-Serena