From: roland@margaret (David A. Braun)
Subject: Re: DOS 6 Beta Looks for OS/2!!!!!!!!
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:26:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan03.000549.23048@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil  
Lafornara) writes:
> In article <1993Jan2.024108.2313@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu  
writes:
> >In article <1993Jan02.025323.15888@microsoft.com>, philipla@microsoft.com  
(Phil Lafornara) writes:
> >> In article <1993Jan1.133731.2312@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>  
z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> >>>
> >>>	All this talk about FUD & Misinformation about OS/2 from Microsoft has
> >>>some NEW Merit!
> >>>
> >>>	I Recently talked to a Beta Tester of DOS 6.0. He Runs OS/2 with 2 Hard
> >>>Drives, One FAT, One HPFS. He decided to Install the DOS 6.0 Beta on the  
FAT
> >>>Partition, and got a Message saying, and I paraphrase: 
> >>>
> >>>- OS/2 Detected! Due to the size of OS/2 you may wish to delete your OS/2 
> >>>files before installing DOS 6.0 -
> >> 
> >>      Interesting.  What is the problem with that?  If there was a
> >> similar message that said "Autocad detected.  Due to the size of
> >> Autocad you may wish to delete your Autocad files before installing
> >> DOS 6.0", whould that be bad too?
> >> 
> >	The Problem is simple. There is no need for such a message. If there
> >was insufficient disk space, a simple "Insufficient Disk Space" would be
> >enough. Unless of course you wanted to to spread FUD 
> 
>     Point A:  We have no idea what the actual message is.  I'll wager
> that it _isn't_ what was quote above (in fact, you admit that it's
> "paraphrased" _and_ secondhand.).  There are several good reasons why
> you wouldn't want to run the DOS 6 Beta (and note, it is a beta) and
> OS/2 on the same machine.
> 
> 
> >F-Fear- Fear that Using OS/2 and DOS on the same machine would be dangerous.
> 
>     It is.  DOS 6 may make your FAT partitions unreadable by
> OS/2 or other operating systems.
> 
> 
> >Uncertainty - Make the User uncertain about using DOS and OS/2 at the same
> >time.
> 
>    As well they should be.  It is a beta product, after all.
> 
> 
> >Doubt - Make the User Doubt OS/2, after all OS/2 didn't even say that there
> >might be a problem, but DOS is so great that it warns a user of 
> >impending danger.
> 
>     This is a bit ludicrous, don't you think?
> 
> 
> >>>So The next time I hear a Micro$oftie say "IT's IBM spreading FUD not us"   
The
> >>>DOS 6.0 Beta will immediately come to mind! It's Simply BULLS**T!!!!
> >> 
> >>      Why?  The DOS 6 beta work with OS/2 installed, doesn't it?
> >
> > 
> >	Yes Why???? Why even have such a message at all????
> >	ANSWER: FUD
> 
>     Answer:  There are possible incompatibilities between DOS 6
> and OS/2.  This is not FUD - it's a simple fact.
> 
> 
> >>>This is intollerable! All of the Posts claiming "Why punish someone for  
being
> >>>successful?", have no ground in light of this blatent attempt to halt  
advancement
> >>>of technology!!
> >> 
> >>     Please explain why a warning message is a "blatent [sic] attempt
> >> to halt advancement of technology".
> >> 
> >	OS/2 is technologically more advanced than DOS/Windoze. So Try to
> >Scare the User ( read FUD above again ) until MS has something as good as  
OS/2,
> >then say "Oh, you don't want that old DOG 6.0a ( 'a' version fixed numerous
> >bugs that caused competitors apps not to run, oops. sorry Lotus & Borland )
> 
>      Interesting theory.  Here's a real question for you:  Can
> the truth also be FUD?
> 
> 
> >>>Microsoft is doing what it does best, Trying (Lying) to Users of products  
of a
> >>>competitor!
> >> 
> >>     What is the lie?
> >
> >	Get a clue Phil. The above message is an obvious LIE! There was plenty
> >of room on the drive where the Beta was being installed. OS/2 wasn't on  it!
> >That is the LIE!
> 
>     Let's assume that the message was exactly as it was quoted.  In
> this case, the message didn't say that you had insufficient disk
> space and it didn't tell you to remove OS/2.  It said that OS/2
> takes a lot of disk space - this is true.
>     Does anyone have the _real_ message?  I suspect that it says
> nothing like what's written above.
> 

	If the real message is anything like what is above, Microsoft had no  
business writing it into the beta... Why would someone in their right mind  
delete their main OS just to beta test another... Hello, Boot Manager.  Within  
a week I will be installing the OS/2 2.1 beta on my system and I highly doubt  
that it will ask me to remove any of my other OS's... DOS 5.0 and BSD UNIX.  I  
have never before witnessed any program so rude as to ask you to delete another  
when there is plenty of room anyway... This appears to be a hopeless attempt by  
MS to convince amature users of OS/2 to think that it is no longer necessary to  
have it...

<roland>

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