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From: mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:13:17 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> 
>>"I am reluctant to expose anyone to the full power of my mind"
>>                                    -Fred Flintstone
> 
> Is that really a Flintstone quote?  If so, kudos to you -- that's really
> looks odd in ASCII.

Yes it is.  Fred claimed to have ESP and Barney asked him why he hasn't seen
Fred do anything. 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:27:59 GMT

I'm a big fan of Squadron Supreme, and beyond the superficial plot similarity 
and of course the similarity coming from the SS characters being ripoffs of the
JLAers used this issue, I don't really think they are the same story.
     Firstly, check my theory a few dozen posts back: this isn't "really" 
happening, it's Dr. D's working.
     Second, the Squadron was never this fascistic.  They really did try to 
take people's rights into consideration, and willingnly relinquished control 
once they saw how bad they had gotten.  This JLA is way too far gone.  
Especially Hawkman.  Blue Eagle was never this bad.  And Green Arrow is again 
not just aping the motions of Golden/Black Arrow either...Green Arrow is much 
better off morally than Goldie.  Etc.
     Third, the plot for SS had a rogue member right away see it was wrong and 
soon begin finding allies to oppose them. Batman here thinks the JLA isn't 
going too far at all, and the "real" JLA will be having to fight the fascist 
version.
     There are alot of similarities, but saying they are the same story is like
saying West Side Story and Romeo and Juliet are the same story.  They have 
common roots, but tell different stories in the end.  In fact, JLA and SS are 
further apart than that even.
     Dave Van Domelen, lets have the Shi'ar Imperial Guard find young clones of
themselves in Skrull chambers....
From: ssu@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD books this week (Hulk, X-Factor)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:26:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <rlcarr.09zf@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:
>In article <74259@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>> The Juggernaut's helmet is indeed "magic" in that it protects him from
>> any *psionic* attack.  That goes all the way back to his first appearance,

(text deleted)

>
>In Excalibur #3, Rachel takes Juggie down with a mental blast.

>
If I remember correctly, the Juggernaut didn't have his helmet on after he
escaped (was released) from the prison in Excalibur #3.

Stephen Su    ssu@garnet.berkeley.edu
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Subject: LNH: Current E-Mail List
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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This is the current LNH E-Mail list.  If you are not on this list, or would
like something changed, send email to v129j6ed@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu.

CHARACTER NAME      WRITER NAME(s)           E-MAIL ADDRESS
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Rebel Yell          Todd Kogutt (Scavenger)  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
Cliche Dude         Jef Kolodziej (KaTeFan)  v129j6ed@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Ultimate Ninja      Raymond Bingham (wReam)  sl859@cc.usu.edu
Sig.Lad/Acton Lord  Dave Van Domelen         dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Pliable Lad         Mike Escutia             mre@kepler.unh.edu(Mike@unh.edu)
ChainBlazer         Patrick DeWind           v077pw3w@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Deja Dude           Martin Phipps            loula@hep.physics.mcgill.ca
Netlurker           Mark Friedman            friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu
Panta (no tm)       Hubert Bartels           hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu
Organic Lass        Rebecca Drayer           rebecca@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
Kid Kirby           Harith Jameel Alkhafiz   ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu
BitMan              Gregory A. Ruderman      ruderg@aix.rpi.edu
Multi-Tasking Man   Jeff the Wonder Llama    jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Lurking Girl        Tori Fike                vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Kid Anarky          Steph Savoie             003695s@ace.acadiau.ca
Time-Waster Lad     Raymond H. Kich          rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu
Sarcastic Lad  (or)     
    Pocket Man      Gary St. Lawrence        lawrence@express.ctron.com
Invisible
    Incendiary      Steve Hutchison          hutch@ibeam.intel.com

(on leave)
Continuity Champ    Jeff Barnes (Drizzt)     barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet 

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:03:33 GMT

In article <93025.190157DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.214426.13044@udel.edu>, lintz@balin.cis.udel.edu (Brian
>Lintz) says:
>>
>>Are you saying you have a problem with the marijuana,
>>but not with the alcohol? Despite the legal status of
>>both substances, overall alcohol is worse than marijuana.
>
>  Says who? For years I've listened to potheads trying to
> convince people of this, but I'm not convinced.  I think
> marijuana has much more serious effects on your brain
> chemistry.  But I guess that's not important for some
> people.  However, it is for me, because I like to be able
> to use higher-order thinking skills on a regular basis.

This is just too easy, isn't it?  OK, I won't.

> I know plenty of people who drink a lot but still manage
> to get good grades and accomplish stuff.  On the other
> hand, most pot users I know have really fucked their
> lives up because of pot.  Some of them have tried to
> quit because they knew it was making them stupid.
> By the way, it stays in your system a lot longer than
> alcohol, and you can stay screwed up for a long time.

Well, I for one am glad you got off the stuff before it was too late!
I guess it's a good thing they let 'stupid people' have doctorates,
or, boy, I'd just be out of luck, wouldn't I?  It's a good thing the
youth are so much better educated, today, or we'd have a lot tougher
time dealing with the world market, wouldn't we?  In my day, we
weren't so bright, must've been all that pot, instead of pot-bellies,
we had all these silly libertarian ideas that just weren't good for
us.  Maybe if I donate my brain to pseudoscience, it could help
curtail the rampant rise stupidifying things.

>>Besides, this is a mature readers comic. Technically,
>>impressionable young minds shouldn't be reading it anyway.

Guess again, Brian :-)

Sprinkle smilies according to taste.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"I know what I experienced ..... and I'm not crazy!"
"You know darn well that they're just manipulating you, and that's all that
        they're doing" 
"I don't want another one of your rational explanations"
    --- My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:22:27 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@express.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: DC IS A LOAD OF WET, DRIPPY BROWN STUFF STUCK TO MY SHOE

In the new JLA #72, we see:

The world's foremost band of superheroes taking over the Earth -
The world government (and I'll bet the United Nations) try to
		take them down and fail miserably
The heroes' methods are found to be "questionable" -
One hero has a major conscience conflict and threatens to
		take them down -
A county/continent is nuked by two heroes and laughed off -
One of the superheroes is President of the United States -
A lone villain is locked away in an asylum screaming insanely -
The superheroes see no problem with setting themselves up as dictators -
THe superheroes vanquish all villains and challengers in the world -


	For those out there who think that DC has finally done
*something* original with the Justice League, I have four words:

	MARVEL'S ... SQUADRON ... SUPREME ... MAXI-SERIES

Marvel's been there, done that ... and probably *FAR* better than we're
going to see in JLA with that (&*&^$^&%*!!@ Jurgens at the helm!

	THE NEW DC: WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THE *READERS* THINK!

(Don't say I didn't warn you!)
Saint.
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: MISC: Missed Deadlines
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:30:00 GMT

In article <C1FuHA.x6@cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
>
>I think a fair scale for this sort of tardiness is not how late a comic is,
>but the product of how late it is and how many people are waiting for it (in
>other words, how much anxiety it is generating :) ...so something like
>
>	Absolute Distress  =  (#months comic is late  *  #people waiting)
>
>Of course, there is no way to accurately quantify this here, but I'd venture
>to say that the forerunners of AD are Big Numbers and Miracleman.

Hard to say. There an awful lot of people waiting for Wetworks. (Many of
them are retailers.) Assuming Image/Malibu doesn't announce that it's 
probably not going to happen (if the rumors are true) then this should
set standards for AD ratings.

We were discussing a similar system for creators. You take the product of
the cumulative number of months late times the number of issues that are
late. This would be issue-months (or issue-fortnights in English units).
You could them multiply by number of copies ordered to get the 
issues-months-units sold. 

At the moment, I think there's no touching Rob Liefeld's current rating.

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:33:02 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>In <C19yBo.HEv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:

>>  B)  It's a dream, so everyone can act out of character!  Oh boy,
>>      what a great excuse for a writer incapable of writing anyone *in
>>      character*

>Gee, are you referring to:
[...]
>On the other hand, I actually felt that many of the characters here were IN
>character (within the constraint of the basic viciousness of the premise).
>Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, and Atom, to name three.  It read a lot like
>an adventure of the old JLA to me, actually.

It didn't work for me because the callousness of the characters was so
far out of character to begin with (Atom, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and
Hawkman, and oh yeah, Green Lantern.)  Green Arrow and Black Canary
were OK, though.

>>  C)  No explanation is given for the events shown.  Were the events
>>      worthwhile/interesting enough to carry the book on their own and
>>      make up for the bad dialog?
>>      IMHO, no, they were not.

>This must be why it's only the first part of (at least) two:  The explanation
>comes later.

I don't mind people taking exception to my opinions, but I think your
sarcasm here is misplaced.  As I said in a previous post, I didn't
feel there was enough plot *IN THIS ISSUE*.  I am familiar with comic
books, and believe it or not, I was not suffering from some delusion
that the story ended in this book.

Tom
From: anguilla@acpub.duke.edu (Hunganh Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Zot!
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:04:51 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


Wow.  Someone here likes Zot!  It was one of my favorites until it went
into hiatus.  Does anyone know what Scott McCloud is up to, nowadays?  Or 
when he will re-start Zot?
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:38:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.080912.13366@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>In article <C1Hz1K.6r1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>
>>As far as I remember, the only time Dream can kill is when there is a
>>vortex.  Only then can he take a life ('member Rose Walker?) instead
>>of his sister doing the honours I suppose.  Have to go back and reread
>>Doll's House.
>
>That's what was said, I believe -- but (aha! Neil, caught you in a 
>contradiction, I think) in Preludes, after the ruby is destroyed, John Dee
>asks Dream what he (Dream) is going to do with him (Dee) and asks if he will
>be killed, and Dream says he could kill him if he wanted to.

No real contradiction. Dream is *allowed* to kill only when he's
killing a Vortex. If he kills at other times, he's breaking the rules,
in a big way; it could get him in trouble.

Also: Dream is not necessarily held responsible when his creations
kill people. Remember, the Corinthian killed a lot of living people
during his time on Earth. We haven't seen Dream suffer any real
consequences. (Unless that's what "The Kindly Ones" is all about...)
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
From: anguilla@acpub.duke.edu (Hunganh Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I miss Krypto the superdog or Damn, that Crisis anyway!
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:59:42 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


	Please excuse my ignorance, but WHAT happened to Krypto????
Was he killed off in that Crisis thing?  
	Really.  I DON'T know....but would like to....
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From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC: Scarlett #1
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:55:55 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla-50

>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 15-Jan-93 Re: DC: Scarlett
>#1 Killans L. A. Always@nyx (2586)
>
> Too right, far too many US comics are filled with goody-goody 1-dimensional
> characters who are totally unbelievable. Why not show some more 'real-life'
> characters. It adds a lot more depth to the story. I've heard similar
> complaints about 'Hacker Files', that people find they 'can't sympathise'
> with the character. I find that a refreshing change after so many goody-
> goody heroic characters with less personality than a piece of wet lettuce.

Not being a goody-goody character doesnt necessarily mean that the character
is well-scoped out or believable or fun to read about. Sure, it can be well
done : I love to read about those two DC SOBs, Dox and Constantine. On the
other hand, Guy Gardner is not a goody-goody by any standard, but I wouldnt
call him a well-scoped out, complex character.

The problem with Marshall (the protagonist of Hacker Files) is that he (like
just about everyone in the story except Barbara) is a poorly flushed out char-
acter. I dont find his characterization to be particularly deep or complex and
I've a hard time figuring out what motivates him. And of course, Shiner uses
Marshall (and the lettercol) as a mouthpiece for his own half-baked political
views. 

Abhijit
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From: apn207s@momth1.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster)
Subject: Rubies
Keywords: rubies, of course
Organization: Monash University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:26:57 GMT

Is it just me or does that thing Dream is wearing at the end of #47 look 
suspiciously like his ruby? I assume it isn't, so is it another one of these
'dream-stones' we keep hearing about (e.g. the Porpentine and the thing Nuala
has)?

-- 

In order to remember your dreams, you must think of them as if they were 
little kittens. When you wake up in the morning, before you get out of bed,
Sit up and say, 
"Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty."
                                                -King Missile
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From: pechever@phakt.usc.edu (The Heckler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Comic Characters in Mainstream Books -- The List!
Date: 20 Jan 1993 23:14:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1jdf1q$8gr@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
]	You're probably thinking of Mystique and Rogue. Mystique and Rogue
]were mother and daughter; Mystique and Destiny, while never brought out
]in the open the way Northstar was, were pretty plainly lovers. Of course,
]the point is a bit moot with Destiny being dead and all. 

Shouldn't Mystique go down as being bi, what with Forge and all?

			Just curious
-- 
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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Subject: Re: Sandman Art
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:51:09 GMT

In <1993Jan23.070100.9790@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>It's not just the coloring.  Jill Thompson's art on this story has
>been unattractive, uneven, and often sloppy.  The result is that we

On the contrary, I rather enjoy her art. It's clear and unmistakable,
unlike the "Scratch, Scrape and Photocopy." of Bachalo on Death.

>can't really trust the artwork to convey subtleties.  For example,
>when Kris lets his passengers off, is Delerium standing on the water
>because Gaiman wanted her to, or because Thompson got sloppy?

*I* can trust her art. Delerium is standing on water. If Delerium's position
wasn't specified by Gaiman, she'd undoubtedly be in the boat. Anything else
would require a brain tumor on the part of the artist.

>This is particularly frustrating wrt page 14:  Every detail is important,
>and I find it hard to trust that the artist got the details right.  Is 
>there a reason Dream is naked under his tattered cloak?  Did Gaiman
>ask that the peasant girl and the ox-driver be well-dressed, or are
>their clothes just supposed to be vaguely Chinese?  

I think you should take a look at the script for Season of Mists #3 that was
posted a while back. Very detailed, especially where it counts. Gaiman knows
that these scenes are tantalising. I, for one, am sure that that page looks 
like he wanted it to.

>Most of the details in the last scene pretty much have to be significant,
>but they do leave us guessing.  We don't know whether it is in the future -- 
>suggesting that Dream will recreate the Corinthian after all -- or past -- 
>suggesting that at one time in the eighteenth or nineteenth century Dream's 
>throne was broken -- assuming that's his throne.  (Hmm, maybe that puddle
>of blood is what Destiny was talking about when he said that neither
>Dream nor his inamorata would find their next meeting satisfactory...)

I like the theory someone posted about Morpheus reconstituting the Corinthian
to kill Orpheus, and The Kindly ones tearing pieces out of him (perhaps that's
the ghost of a dream?)

>-----
>Dani Zweig
>dani@netcom.com

>   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser

Andrew.

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From: modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall)
Subject: Squad/Shi'ar
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:46:05 GMT

i was at a convention many years ago that john byrne attended...
he got to talking about the Shi'ar Guard and Gladiator etc...
this was long before he actually got to go remold superman, but
he confessed that he was a die-hard superman fanatic... he saw
the movie umpteen times... anyway, he said that Gladiator was
supposed to be Superman, but the way Byrne thought his powers
should work... subtle telekenisis actually forming a great deal
of the basis for Superman's "strength"... he also thought that 
it would explain why big things like tankers don't crease in the
middle and collapse when superman picks them up by a small hand
hold...

at the time, i don't know if byrne ever thought that he would be
able to actually apply all of his theories to Superman himself

-mark

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Farmer in the Glenn)
Subject: Re: INDY: Claypool (was Re: Marshall Rogers (was: BTAS: The Laughing Fish))
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:47:40 GMT

In article <9301191948.AA29922@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:

>For what it's worth, Eclipse will have a new imprint coming out, called
>Claypool.  In addition to licensing Elvira, there will be three other
>horror/adventure series in the line: one written by group editor Richard
>Howell, one by Peter David, and one by Steve Englehart, in which we'll see
>the return of Scorpio Rose, Coyote, and the Djinn.

Allright, I can't wait to see Englehart's stuff again.  Maybe someone
knowledgable can explain something to me.  I've been sort of
half-heartedly looking for Coyote #11 for years, it's the only one I'm
missing, but it doesn't seem to exist.  Is there anything unusual
about it that would explain this?

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Truth comes out of Fiction, Love comes out of Friction,
 Purity is intresting, but so is Superstition."
  --- the Residents
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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