HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fxjwk@acad3.alaska.edu (Jo Knox)
Subject: Re: UA codes, "FUCS"  (was dividends)
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:19:05 GMT

In article <16DEC199223400623@acad3.alaska.edu>, jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris) writes:
> In article <1gn7jsINNoba@gap.caltech.edu>, gauss@cco.caltech.edu (Edward J. Gauss) writes...
>>In article <1992Dec15.032909.8338@raven.alaska.edu> randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman) writes:
>>>
The current username format, if anyone's really interested:

First letter is location code, which may be any of:

Southeast:            Southcentral:         Northern:              Other:
J - UA Juneau         A - UA Anchorage      F - UA Fairbanks       S - Statewide
K - Ketchikan Campus  D - Kodiak Campus     L - Kuskokwim Campus
T - Islands Campus    I - Kenai Campus      N - Northwest Campus
                      P - Mat-Su Campus     R - College of Rural AK
                      V - Prince Wm Snd CC  Z - Chukchi Campus

Second letter is location code:

Individual:           Group:                   Funded:
F - Faculty           A - Academic (class)     E - Education
H - Short course      B - University club      G - State govt.
N - Staff             U - Unfunded research    L - Local govt.
S - Student           Y - Administrative       M - State DOE
T - Grad student                               R - Funded research
                                               W - Federal govt.
       Special: X - Computer support           Z - Other funded

The rest of the username is the owner's initials, for individual accounts,
followed by a digit if necessary for uniqueness (it often is necessary!)
For other accounts, the rest of the username is whatever the owner requests...

> i remember the old honeybuns, too, with its pessimizing (as opposed to
> optimizing) compilers.  the C precompiler had no #ifneed, so you compiled the
> enter function library on a 3 line "hello, world" program.  and maybe 4k of
> permanent disk space per student, so you could never save executables or write
> meaningful programs.  i was fortunate to start back to school full time just
> as the vaxen arrived...
> 
Hah; you should have used B!  Best thing about that old clunker Honeybucket...
As I recall, both the Pascal and C compilers on the Honeywell were nothing
more than one pass interpreters which converted your code into (not very good)
B code...
jo
From: kedz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (John David Kedziora)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Tammy's quest for Alaska! 8-)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:38:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: Does such a semantic problem really deserve such a long following?

Just out of curiousity, Who really cares if Hawaii is included with the lower 
states or not. Does it really cause so much mental stress that it becomes 
necessary to repeatedly post replies to replies of replies of a post?

I suppose I have fell into this chain as well, oh well, such is the nature of 
man.

"Let trivia stand not in the way of progress, but in the way of Milton Bradley"

John @ WPI.WPI.EDU

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From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Re: Questions from a green horn
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:45:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.192602.5154@mcs.anl.gov> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
>
>Knowing next to nothing about Alaska I am curious about one thing.
>Are there parts of the state where farming is possible (i.e. long
>enough growing season)? How about gardens?
>
>				mike

The Matanuska valley, slightly north of Anchorage near Palmer, has
vegetable farming in the summer. The growing season isn't long, but
the number of hours of sunlight per day in the summer are greater than
the lower 48. I remember seeing mega-size cabbages and other monster
veggies when I was there last...


-- 
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From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Anti-Texan sentiment (was "Alaskan Joke")
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.212756.24734@adobe.com> vmarsch@adobe.com (Vonn Marsch) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.082157.27203@raven.alaska.edu> floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes:
>>
>>Gee Vonn, I'm sorry you believed all that stuff I said.  (By the
>>way I gots this little bridge in the New York Area you might wanna
>>buy...)
>
>Well, I'm a very gullible person who's likely to overreact.
>
>-Vonn Marsch


Nahhh, you didn't. Really.  It was me that said too much about
the Texans and people from Anchor town.  We have to be nicer and
learn how to live 'em.   You were right.

Floyd
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Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
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From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:16:35 GMT

In article <1NHqVB2w165w@freds.cojones.com> system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:
>
>Anyone on the Elmendorf Internet sites reading this? I know you're out there,
>even if you can't confirm or deny it.

Don't know if anyone really cares, but it happens that I'm absolutely
positive that both the Army and AF bases in Anchorage and Fairbanks,
and the Army at Ft. Greely, have milnet access, which means they can
in fact access the Internet.

However...  here is the fun part.  I bet there aren't more than three
individuals (I don't know of even ONE anymore) who you could address
email to and expect that they would actually log into a computer and
read it.

And as far as usenet, not for a long time.  They don't know it exists.

Floyd
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Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
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From: wisner@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: dividends
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:42:54 GMT

>Well, they don't get forwarded out of state

Mine did.

>Can't tell from your name any specifics, but your electronic address is
>certainly Outside.

So she's going to school in New York.  So?

The Dividend Information Office in Juneau is 907 465 2326.

w.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Anti-Texan sentiment (was "Alaskan Joke")
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:21:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.180201.7886@adobe.com> vmarsch@adobe.com (Vonn Marsch) writes:
>
>I know your just reporting the truth, Floyd, but I'm proud of my state
>and hate to see its image tainted with hatefulness.  Alaska needs more
>of the kind of people that this stuff turns off.
>
>-Vonn Marsch
>vmarsch@adobe.com

Gee Vonn, I'm sorry you believed all that stuff I said.  (By the
way I gots this little bridge in the New York Area you might wanna
buy...)

I need to put more smilies in these things...

Floyd
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floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: type of wilderness around major cities
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:10:35 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> Since when we move to Alaska we will probably move in or near a major
> city, I have found that I must ask this question.

Well, "a" major city would be Anchorage. It's the only thing that's even
close, and yet still isn't terribly close.

Mountains in all directions, but three of those directions have water you
need to cross to get to the mountains. The city is naturally segregated from
the rest of the state by its geography. There are roads out to the north and
south. Directly east of Anchorage are mountains. The city stretches to the
foothills on the south of the range, the north of the range is a Military
restricted area where they absolutely don't store nuclear waste. Nope. Not a
chance. No comment. Can't confirm nor deny.

Nothing else happens there, really.

Some prime hiking in that area, if you don't get caught. I have heard that
the primary reason for the existance of the restricted area is so that the
Generals can go hunting out of season and have a 100% chance of seeing a
moose (lots of them in that area), but this is pure speculation.

> What is the land like around the major cities?

Oh dear, I appear to have answered that.

Anchorage is definitely NOT flatland. It has been said that to transplant one
of the relatively wimpy mountains to the east of the city into, say, Indiana,
would cause 50% of the populace of Indiana to form cults around the mountain.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
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From: joe@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joe St Sauver x6-1720)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: UA codes, "FUCS"  (was dividends)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:19:41 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkwing.uoregon.edu

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|> i remember the old honeybuns, too, with its pessimizing (as opposed to
|> optimizing) compilers.  the C precompiler had no #ifneed, so you compiled the
|> enter function library on a 3 line "hello, world" program.  and maybe 4k of
|> permanent disk space per student, so you could never save executables or write
|> meaningful programs.  i was fortunate to start back to school full time just
|> as the vaxen arrived...
|> 
|> (formerly jxdph)

Ah yes, and as a Juneau person, you were looking at that incredibly powerful 
VAX 11/750, if my memory serves. 

I do remember when UACN got Digital to sign off on that "sufficient hardware to 
offer adequate response time" contract (rather than something a little more
specific), with the original benchmarks coming from Maricopa Community College, 
in Arizona... of course, they were running a typing tutor as their main 
application, so their load profile looked a little different from UAF's, with
heavy SAS, SPSS, ANSYS, NCAR, DISSPLA, etc., etc... Upgrade after upgrade
kept on being sent, after Kurt or Cal would run new numbers using their Osborne
(or was it a Kaypro II?) response time measuring program...

And speaking of SAS, I was, I believe, the first person to run SAS in Fairbanks,
a process which was rather rocky since the SAS Companion for VMS somehow hadn't
made it into the original manual shipment. :-)

And remember Eunice on the Juneau machine? (Oh god)

Ah, but those were the days, eh?

Joe St Sauver (joe@oregon.uoregon.edu) (Former Fairbanks Nodie)
Assistant Director, Academic User Services
University of Oregon Computing Center
From: vmarsch@adobe.com (Vonn Marsch)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Anti-Texan Sentiment
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:24:17 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1992Dec15.064214.12583@raven.alaska.edu> floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes:
>[...]
>There is a reason its that way, and all we need to do to make this
>place much closer to, say LA or Seattle, or whereever, is
>encourage people to bring there own culture here and transplant
>it.  That is exactly why we say Anchorage (and Fairbanks, IMHO)
>are only one plane ride away from the REAL Alaska.
>[...]
>The reason to live in Alaska is Alaska and its culture(s), not
>because it is some wild frontier that one can civilize by bringing
>your culture and transplanting it.

But other than native culture, all culture in Alaska has been transplanted
from somewhere else.  Anyway, I'm not talking about *changing* the culture
so much as adding to it.  And I'm not really talking about culture so much 
as civilization.

Growing up in Alaska, moving outside, and visiting it again every year has
done a lot to shape how I see civilization.  When I was growing up, I used
to be obsessed with the idea of civilization -- in the sense of big cities.
I used to dream about, draw about and fantisize about endless urban 
landscapes.  Anchorage didn't seem big enough, or civilized enough (two
concepts I had equated at the time.)  Now, after having lived in or around
Boston, New York, Seattle, and San Francisco, my concept of civilization
has changed.  When I say that Alaska is not civilized enough, I don't mean
that it needs more roads, office complexes, malls, and the like.  It needs
more civilized people.  

As others have noted here, Alaskan people are, on the whole, very kind.
But Alaska a dispreportionate amount of greed, rape, killing, and substance
abuse.  But, because its population is so small, individual efforts by
civilized people can make a difference for the better there.

-Vonn Marsch
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Anti-Texan Sentiment
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:23:52 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

In article <D2iqVB6w165w@freds.cojones.com> system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:
>
>"Fairbanks is a funny place. It combines the worst aspects of live in a big
>city with the worst aspects of life in the bush. It's actually bad enough to
>make you feel *lucky* to be living in Anchorage!"
>   -- Anthony Hursh <root@moosevax.cojones.com>
>
>Real Alaskans don't use smilies.

Thats true.  (The last sentence, I mean.) And all that about how
bad Squirly-Banks is also true...  except that last bit compared
to Anchorage.  It seems the real story is that even though its
that bad up in the Golden Heart of the Interior, it just shows how
bad Anchorage must really be if people would rather live on the
banks of the Chena.

ObTexanJoke:  Anchorage also has too many connections to Dallas.

Floyd
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floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
From: 2huxsilent@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: living expenses, prices, etc
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:45:04 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I think I may be able to help out in the food price department.  When my wife
and I went to Anchorage to see her uncle get married we did a little price
comparison.  Before we left we went grocery shopping and listed down all of the
typical items we buy.  We avoided sales prices and used comparable stores (in
service, quality, etc) namely Dillons here in Lawrence, KS and Carr's in
Anchorage.  We found that Anchorage had a 33% higher price than here (of course
I hear that the KC area is cheap).  If you toss out the Pepsi the difference is
only 23%.  Toss out the Pepsi and lettuce and it is 20%.

Item			Lawrence,KS		Anchorage
Head Lettuce		0.48 ea			2.25 ea
Green Pepper		.33 ea			.49 ea
mushroom		2.49/lb			2.98/lb
2% gallon Milk		2.35			2.78
Potatos			.69/lb			.79/lb
Bananas			.38/lb			.89/lb
1lb Parkay Stick Marg	.89			.89
Blue Bonnet spread 48oz	2.39			2.49
Cheddar cheese 10oz	1.89			2.19
Grade AA doz lg eggs	.59			.60
Velveeta 2lbs		3.09			5.87
Pepsi 24 pack		6.09			13.10
Pepsi 2 liter		1.09			2.35
C&H sugar 5lbs		2.29			2.69
Gold medal flour 5lbs	1.79			2.59
Campbells soup		approx.69-.75		approx.79-.89
Huntstomatopuree10.75oz	.49			.59
Mshrm stems/pieces 4oz	.69			.79
Pace picante 1 lb	1.75			2.19
Starkist tuna 6.125oz	.83			.99
Am beauty spaghetti 1lb	1.03			1.00
Jiff PB 28 oz		3.59			4.19
Heinz Ketchup 40 oz	2.35			2.89
French mustard 16oz	1.25			1.29
FreshStepCatLitter7lbs	2.00			2.97
Hamburger88%lean	1.79/lb			2.89/lb
Tbone			5.99/lb			3.69/lb
Brisket slab		2.19/lb			3.39/lb
Fillet mignon		7.99/lb			7.69/lb
SkinlessBonelssChickbre	2.59/lb			3.69/lb
Grants farm loafbread	1.69			2.19

Total			66.71			88.73

Of course these are August prices.  I know that milk here is now up to 2.45.
I spent a summer in Anchorage and aim to end back up there sometime in my
life, best place I've ever been.


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From: jsdph@acad3.alaska.edu (Dennis P. Harris)
Subject: Re: type of wilderness around major cities
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 09:41:00 GMT

In article <cgsZVB4w165w@freds.cojones.com>, system@freds.cojones.com 
(George W. Hayduke) writes...

>Well, "a" major city would be Anchorage. It's the only thing that's even
>close, and yet still isn't terribly close.
> 
>Mountains in all directions, but three of those directions have water you
>need to cross to get to the mountains. The city is naturally segregated from
>the rest of the state by its geography. 

and its mentality, too.  

finally someone from los anchorage admits that anchorage is isolated from the
rest of alaska, rather than the other way around.  unfortunately, many
anchorage residents, especially those who arrived since 1970, believe that
anchorage is typical of alaska.  that's sort of like thinking new york city is
typical of new york state, or miami is typical of florida.

================================================================================
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From: gauss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GAUSS  REBECCA BANKER)
Subject: Re: vacation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.150506@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov> z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov  writes:
>
>I am looking for information about package tours [in Alaska].  

You might sent your quiry to--

             Alaska Tourism Marketing Council
             PO Box 110801
             Juneau, Alaska  99811
or call them at--
             (907) 465-2010
I think Juneau is now on Pacific time.

The Council publishes a free catalog of tours, accomodations, and a
description of what to see and do in each region.  My copy has a couple of
omissions for the Fairbanks area:  First of all it doesn't say much about
aurora watching.  August to March are the best months for that, which is
just the reverse of the main tourist season, although August is in the overlap.
For a real thrill try Fairbanks in January!  A group of chemists from
MIT went up there hoping for one of those famous weeks when the temperature
never gets above -40 as they wanted to get samples of quick frozen ice fog.
Fairbanks butterfly expert Ken Philip once wanted to measure very slow
air movements at -40 and he tried blowing soap bubbles.  They would quick
freeze and not pop.  The next day there were hundreds of limp bubbles
all over the snow.  Perhaps Fairbanks should start a limp bubble carnival.


                          --Ed Gauss,  Fat Moose Flying Service, retired
                            reply to gauss@alumni.caltech.edu 
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From: wisner@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner)
Subject: culture shock?
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:18:00 GMT

In May I returned to the lower 48 (specifically, California) after spending
three years in Fairbanks.

What's different?

I can no longer go to the corner 7-11, fill my gas tank, and write a check
to pay for it.

I'm now paying 8.5% sales tax on purchases, instead of none.

I've got at least a dozen broadcast TV stations available, instead of
three.  There's still rarely anything worth watching.

I can no longer go to the nearest fast food joint and expect to be served
by someone fluent in English.

I can no longer reach any arbitrary point in town in less than fifteen minutes.

I've exchanged underutilized expressways for overcrowded freeways.

I've exchanged an annual $900 check from the state for several thousand
dollars of state income tax.

w.
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 09:39:11 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> Someone said something about the employment base in Juneau.
> 
> What is the employment base in Alaska like.  I realize that out in the
> wilderness....employment? whats that!?.....but in the cities......

It USED to be Oil. Now, it's retail sales, selling Stuff to the somewhat
increased military presence up here (the Air Force is making Elmendorf one of
the primary bases, due to Alaska's unique location, and also due to Clark AFB
in the Phillipines being abandoned)..

Anyone on the Elmendorf Internet sites reading this? I know you're out there,
even if you can't confirm or deny it.

In any case, the wages have dropped drastically -- workers who sell Stuff
just don't get paid the same as workers who dig for oil.

There is still commercial fishing, which isn't recommended unless it's how
you grew up (let me regale you with the tale of the time my ol' man and I
pulled in a halibut longline by hand... oof.).. Some logging in Southeast
last I heard. And, of course, it is still quite possible to go to the Valley
and be a bum with no visible means of support. Despite the fact that I
actually lived that lifestyle for several years, I still cannot tell you how
it's done: I was just a dependant. It's just karma up there, I think.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
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From: denali@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Favero)
Subject: Re: living expenses?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 09:06:47 GMT


Well, in Kodiak (where I hail from but haven't been able to get back
to in a LONG time ;-( there is Safeway, City Market, the two Baysides
(little mom and pop 7-eleven analogs) and the stores I love to hate,
Kraft's downtown and Kraft's Waldo's. Plus, if you're military, there
is the oh so cheery commissary on the CG base. Pricewise, were talking
about an average of 7-15% higher (it all comes in by boat; no railroad
bridge to the pennisula yet!) for foodstuffs, with the higher values
belong to the more perishable goods. But, you manage, especially if
you buy a big Sears freezer and learn to hunt and fish!

But enuff rambling- I have finals to study for. 8-)

Mike Favero

-- 
Michael D. Favero		e-mail:  denali@leland.stanford.edu
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