HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ac999266@umbc.edu (ac999266)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:44:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: umbc8.1k1qg5INN7a2
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

>Tim Rigg <rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu> writes:

>[stuff about possibly moving these to a rec.outdoors.* hierarchy]

>>rec.boats 
>>rec.boats.paddle 
>>rec.climbing 
>>rec.scuba 
>>rec.skiing 
>>rec.skydiving 
>>rec.windsurfing 

The consensus here looks like (IMO) these groups
 refer to things which are done outdoors (usually),
 but not done BECAUSE they are outdoors.  Hence,
 they don't belong in the .outdoors hierarchy.

>>hierarchy?  As moderator of rec.hunting, I strongly support the
>>renaming of rec.hunting.  Readers of the other groups should post to
>>news.groups with comments about their groups.  

rec.hunting certainly would fit in .outdoors, esp
 if its own moderator approves of the move.  I think
 rec.backcountry would fit there too, but they don't
 seem interested in moving.  If r.backcountry ever
 decides to split, it should move to .outdoors at
 that time.  IMO, of course.

What could be covered in r.o.misc that isn't covered
 in r.backcountry?  This could be a big flamewar if
 you don't work things out with the backcountry crowd.

Bizarro Francis Uy
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: SUKCBM <SUKCBM@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Looking for kites and Kiting Newsgroup??
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:37:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of a kiting newsgroup ?
I heard of REC.KITES but can't find it or don't have access to it.
Where is this archived or where is the info kept.
Any info would be appreciated
Thanx in advance
Colin Murray - SUKCBM@MVS.SAS.COM
From: bell@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
Date: 26 Jan 1993 06:28:54 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
NNTP-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.unc.edu
Keywords: miniatures figures ancients napoleonics renaissance naval

In article <C1DAn1.Hwo@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> charbonn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gary charbonneau) writes:
>I don't feel "threatened" by the 
>Warhammer crowd.  I just want the discussions conducted in separate
>forums.  I would not feel badly if there were a rec.games.fantasy where
>my own historical gaming interests would be out of place.

rec.games.frp.miniatures might a a possible place to put it.  games.fantasy
is too broad a category, rec.games.frp being a hierarchy already.
However, the complete lack of such traffic now means that trying for
more than one group is probably reaching too far...

>In terms of content, the only real overlap between historical
>and fantasy/sci fi miniatures groups (if we wanted to divide things that
>way) would be in terms of painting and modelling techniques.

Not true.  Campaign rules, morale, (much) equipment, hidden movement, "fog
of war," tactics, and much more are common to both.  The only real
difference between the two is historical miniatures discussion would
include more specific history discussions, while fantasy miniatures
includes discussion of magic and magical effects.

>When you say "our hobby is strong enough...", you are organizing the
>world in a way I do not happen to agree with.

If the traffic demands it, we can split later.  Moreover, unless you
change the name or get the frp group created as well, Warhammer
miniatures discussion will take place in rec.games.miniatures no
matter what the charter says.

>Fantasy/sci fi gaming is not part of MY hobby.

"Napolean is not part of my hobby."
"Ships are not part of my hobby."
"Prussians are not part of my hobby."

You can make whatever distinctions you like, but it doesn't change the
fact that to an outsider, we're all a bunch of people pushing a large
number of models around a tabletop.  We're far more alike than we are
different.

Andrew Bell
bell@cs.unc.edu


Newsgroups: news.groups
From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.cs.undergrad
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:48 GMT

In article <C162vp.FJL@dcs.ed.ac.uk> bj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Balint Joo) writes:
>
>*	Also not to be tolerated is swapping hints on so-called "cracking".

Why?  When I was younger, I found cracking discussions fascinating: people
who do it often have a remarkable grasp of machine and disk architecture.
While I didn't (and don't) do it, I never failed to learn from these
discussions.  We could argue, of course, that such *specific* discussions
shouldn't be part of a CS newsgroup, but your wording indicates that it's
a "sin," and I find *that* attitude intolerable.


>*	The group should not be used for "home" computing discussion.  
>	Computer games are especially frowned upon.  The group is intended 
>	as a forum for discussion of the more professional and academic 
>	aspects of computing, albeit at an Undergraduate level.

Gaming (from an algorithmic perspective) would be an entirely appropriate 
aspect of discussion, IMHO, given the general charter.


>*	Another possibility is an "comp.cs.undergrad programming competition"
> 	to be held frequently to stimulate interest in programming.

While simultaneously discouraging the two aspects which many would find
the most interesting?


>Proposed Charter -- COMP.CS.UNDERGRAD

In general, I'm not entirely comfortable with the proposed group.

CS undergraduates regularly contribute on the open net.  Like every other
net.dweller, they don't wear a sign indicating their limitations or back-
ground: they are "judged" by the same criteria any other person who posts 
is: intelligent posts are appreciated; stupid ones are ignored, debated, or 
flamed.  This applies to *anyone*, regardless of education, age, race, 
culture, or gender.

I therefore see *no* reason to flag undergraduate CS majors as a unique group 
on the basis of the criteria in your RFD.  If you made it less "technical,"
and more social, perhaps that could fly, but to be honest, I can't think of
many *student* aspects that are unique to CS majors, either, that aren't
better covered by the generic "college" groups.  What else can they do?
Swap curricula descriptions?  That gets old real fast.

Since undergraduate life is a temporary phase, and that any real benefit
of participating in the net comes from "open confrontation," and not being 
coddled, I'd vote against the group as proposed.  Too fuzzy, and no need for
it.







---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Date: 27 Jan 1993 11:26:42 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <7830005@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
>The problem is that some readers inevitably cannot move to the new names
>because they cannot easily get the appropriate access. So the old group gets
>left around and now we have two identical groups where once we had one. And
>some "old farts" just refuse to move...;-}

The case you cite was due to one obstinate news admin. The solution is not to
outlaw renaming groups, but rather for individual news admins to go along with
the expressed wishes of the net.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "I don't want to read poor Microsoft bashing. I want to read good
Microsoft bashing." -- Douglas A. Bell, in comp.os.os2.advocacy (Me too!)
From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.startrek.reviews: proposed moderator, crossposting
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:29:06 -0800
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com

In <C1IoIs.6q7@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper) writes:
>How about: "All reviews will be crossposted to the appropriate
>rec.arts.startrek.* group (ie: rec.arts.startrek.current) so that readers
>of those groups will still enjoy the same reviews they always have.
>Reviewers may request that their reviews not be crossposted, but followups
>will be directed to the appropriate discussion group in any case." 

That's much more succinct than my paragraph.  I'll use the above wording
in the proposed charter.

So, who wants to be the vote-taker?  (We're not quite there yet, but it's
getting close, I think.)

-Steve
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Some words about news.groups (was: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines)
Date: 19 Jan 93 23:26:16 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <1993Jan15.181914.14130@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
> Rec.food.breadmachines has joined the long list of groups that were
> proposed informally by people too clueless to *ever* start the official
> proposal process.

Or by people too put off by your sparkling attitude to continue
discussing it where YOU can see, and comment further, on the discussion. 


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: eivind@tft.tele.no (Eivind Rinde)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: sci.med.telemedicine
Reply-To: eivind@tft.tele.no
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:57:55 GMT


I support the creation of this group.  And the .telemedicine label.  I'm
involved in research in telemedicine and I will find a separat newsgroup for telemedicine interesting.

By the way I will announce a conference on medical aspects of telemedicine, in Troms, in the northern part of Norway 20th - 22th May 1993, send me a mail and I send you the program.

Eivind Rinde
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From: mike@aloysius.equinox.gen.nz (Mike Campbell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 03:39:32 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized?


In article <C1GqI4.J1A@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> charbonn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu writes:

  > 
  > In article <1k379mINNkv5@beethoven.cs.unc.edu> bell@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell)  >  writes:
  > 
  > >
  > >Not true.  Campaign rules, morale, (much) equipment, hidden movement, "fog
  > >of war," tactics, and much more are common to both.
  > 
  > But only to the extent that the fantasy people are trying to make their
  > games more like reality and less like a fantasy.

Nah - remember that most "historical" game eras allow, and indeed, 
encourage, "fantasy" situations (ie those which would never have 
happened).   EG New Kingdom Egyptians fighting Romans, Spanish Tercios 
against Muscovites, 1805 French against Wellington's Peninsular 
veterans with Portuguese, 1943 Germans vs 1945 Soviets.

All are pure fantasy, yet well within the realms of current 
"historical" gaming.  Also - how about campaigns using "historical" 
armies based in fictitious continents, or fictitious armies based on 
historical ones?   All are regularly played by "historical" gamers, 
both here and anywhere else I've seen "historical" gaming.

  > To me, it makes a very big difference indeed what kind of models
  > I push around the table.  I'll push Napoleonics, and I'll push
  > ships, but I won't push elves.  I suppose that there are many
  > elven-pushers who feel the reverse.

And there are many who are happy to just push models around the table 
whatever they represent.  Hell - I'll even push Burgundian Ordonance 
against Summer/Akkadian given half a chance - only 4500 years 
difference :-).

I'm also quite happy to see discussion on figure painting, pricing, 
quality etc, as these are all part of figure gaming.


Mike Campbell, Christchurch, New Zealand
mike@aloysius.equinox.gen.nz
From: dem@hep.net (David E. Martin)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:50:18 GMT
Organization: National HEPnet Management, Fermilab, Batavia, IL, USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dem@hep.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: nhmpw2.fnal.gov

I think the name of the group should be comp.windows-nt.  It is not too long.

-David Martin
 dem@hep.net
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:07:37 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <C1ILwx.6Gp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> charbonn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gary charbonneau) writes:
>
>I'm taking a lot of flak for proposing that the frp and historical
>miniatures discussions be separated into different groups....

>...However, I've seen too many instances
>where new people have wandered in looking for some historical gaming
>action, saw all the frp stuff going on, and never showed up again.
...
>I fear that the same thing could happen in an electronic environment.
>People who are interested in historical miniatures might eavesdrop
>on a wide-open .miniatures group only long enough to see that most
>of the posts are frp or sci/fi related, and then never tune in
>again, much less participate.  Call such people "elitists" if you
>will -- they're the ones I want to talk to.

   I can relate to that.  I'm interested in miniatures more from a 
collector's point of view-- I think they're nifty.  And as much as I
have enjoyed the FRP/gaming world in the past, I just don't have the
time and desire these days to participate.  A preponderance of FRP-
type traffic in a miniatures group would definitely cause me to
lose interest fast.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
"I'm mentally OVERDRAWN!"
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Re: What's the concensus: comp.sys.harris or comp.sys.nighthawk?
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:57:09 GMT

In article <DAVIDB.93Jan27085743@kuwait.gdfwc3> davidb@gdfwc3 (David Brynell) writes:
>
>So, what do we want, a Harris newgroup or a Nighthawk newsgroup?
>If any H-Series weenies are out there, I would suggest speaking up.
>I feel as though the RFD should go out again with all occurrences
>of harris replaced with nighthawk.
>

The only subject about H-series I can think would arise would be questions
on how to read a $KEEP tape on UN*X :-)

My feeling is to have a comp.sys.harris group, talk about the nighthawk
and suffer/KILL the dribble of H-series posts.

In any case, why have a nighthawk group when comp.realtime already exists?

-- john
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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.activism.d,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Call For Disgustion - unmoderating misc.activism.progressive
Date: 29 Jan 93 05:06:39 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:

>[I speak only for myself in this posting.]
>
>=o= Whether sci.military posts hostile metadiscussions about its
>own charter is its own moderator's business.  As it happens, the
>alt.activism.d newsgroup exists for such metadiscussions about
>misc.activism.progressive.
Uhm, not commenting on the good or bad idea of unmoderating, but not
everyone has access to alt.activism.d.  Some sites, mine included, do
NOT carry any alt groups as a matter of policy.  Any users at my site
would thus have no way to respond to any information in m.a.p, except
with the moderators' permission.

>=o= Given that practically everything posted to m.a.p has
>followups set to a.a.d, I find it unlikely that anyone who
>was genuinely interested in your pathetic wish to destroy
>m.a.p would have any trouble finding your messages.
Wrong.

I gave up on m.a.p when it became clear that no rebuttle would be allowed.

 -Steve
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From: jrob@ecst.csuchico.edu (Gillis the Humble)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
Keywords: miniatures figures ancients napoleonics renaissance naval
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:11:16 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: caustic.ecst.csuchico.edu

I support it, and think its a great idea......


					Sgt. Cable
From: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu (John Wallace)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.database.object
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:25:04 -0600
Organization: Dept of Comp Science, Middle Tenn State Univ, Murfreesboro, TN
NNTP-Posting-Host: knuth.mtsu.edu

In <1993Jan22.050355.11018@serval.net.wsu.edu> yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:


>I favor the creation of a group for object-oriented database discussion,
>since we are about to get involved in one (or another of them), and I
>can use all the help I can get :-)  I can't say that I would be a
>contributor early on, but I would definitely contribute once I know
>something about it.

>I would prefer the name "comp.object.database", since that's the
>direction we are coming to it from, but it's not a big deal.

I too favor the creation of the new group.  It is really needed.
As far as the name goes, comp.object.database or comp.database.object
are both ok.  As WS had previously written: "A rose by any other name
would smell as sweet!"

-- 
John Wallace   ||   INTERNET: csjohn@knuth.mtsu.edu
> > >    We have the government we deserve.   < < <
From: stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: startrek.reviews mailing list
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:49:10 GMT
Organization: Coastal Imaging Lab, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: ruby.oce.orst.edu

In article <1jmme8INNel3@spud.Hyperion.COM> koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm) writes:
> Posting a followup to a mail message is much more of a pain.

No, it isn't. Put a Reply-To: header in the mail message that points it
to the right place, and following up to a mailing list is as easy as
following up to a newsgroup. 

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: wagner@bullwinkle.cs.Colorado.EDU (Dave Wagner)
Subject: Re: support- comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:43:18 GMT

I also support this group, strongly!

		Dave Wagner
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: RFD rec.games.miniatures
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:56:57 GMT

I like it IF it includes non-fictional genres, such as the Warhammer 40k
stuff.  It seemed from the RFD that, while not specifically stated, the
examples all seemed to be of historical nature.

...Paul


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From: bq834@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark  Panitz)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: how can I get a new newsgroup started?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:57:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi, I would like to start a newgroup title of la.transporation
this is very silmar to ba.transporation, but as you know
ba=BayArea , and not really 'attached'  to la at all.
if any can help -please reply 
thanks a lot!
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Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,rec.arts.poems,soc.culture.karnataka
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: News Groups Censors REC.ARTS.POEMS.URDU
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:41:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to ajc1@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Cooke):
> You're big and strong and safe and it's only usenet.  so be a
> little more tolerant.

Tolerance I have.  Respect for cowards I do not have.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Xref: sparky news.groups:26363 soc.culture.indian:45500 rec.arts.poems:14030
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: News Groups Censors REC.ARTS.POEMS.URDU
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:04:26 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


In article <1993Jan26.153435.15302@wam.umd.edu> sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy) writes:
>	The person in question may not be able to post news from 
>	his account. Someone has made this point before. 

He can post news through at least one mail-to-news gateway...
	
>	also, I do not see why it is important for him to sign his name.

Someone who makes a serious accusation like that should think enough of it to
stand behind it. It's impossible to refute something like that from someone
who strikes and hides.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "I don't want to read poor Microsoft bashing. I want to read good
Microsoft bashing." -- Douglas A. Bell, in comp.os.os2.advocacy (Me too!)
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