HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with my client?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:54:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.063701.10617@mcs.kent.edu> stheophy@Condor.mcs.kent.edu (Sophia Theophylactos) writes:
>I'm using a client I ftp'd from cs.bu.edu, on a vm account.  Here's the
>problem:  
>
>When I telnet to my account and run irc, everything is fine.  It works
>beautifully.  But when I DIAL into my account and try to run irc, I get
>this message: Error 2836757 while trying to connect (tcprc: 0).
>
>What does this mean?  How can I fix it?

Possibly your terminal type is set differently, and is incompatible with the
client?  The only thing I know of that's different between a dialup and 
telnet connection is the term type.
-- 
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From: jjh@uhura.neoucom.edu (Jerod J. Husvar)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: AVALON NARC ANNOUNCEMENT
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:25:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: uhura.1992Apr12.222557.1017
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine

Ok, This was cute, but I think that you might want to talk to CERT before you
go sticking their name on ANYTHING of this childish nature... If I worked for
CERT, I'd be thinking seriously about calling my lawyer.

Just my $0.02 worth.


-- 
|| Jerod J. Husvar        || Never give up on your Dreams, no matter what!  ||
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|| NEOUCOM Comp. Services ||  Raise you hands to the level of your eyes...  ||
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: 00mcfields@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Newbie flounders as the world watches
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:39:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr11.123952.6120
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr2.045759.11290@nmt.edu>, opie@nmt.edu (Craig Copelin) writes:
> Call me stupid, but I think you have changed versions on me since the 
> last time I used irc.  
> 
>   1.  What is a default channel and how do I get one.
> 
>   2.  Are there any man pages I can get from an ftp site or some othere 
>       place, that I don't have to read on irc, where I know none of the 
>       commands.  And /help doesn't seem to be of any big help.
> 
> Thanks for your help,  that is if anyone cares to give me any, no one on
> irc proper, bothered to respond to my messages.  That is if they ever got
> them.  I probably couldn't send any since i don't have a default channel.
> arghhhhh!
> 
> Craig "All I want to do is play initgame." Copelin
> 
> Thanks again.  I feel better all ready.
> 
> -- 
> All good people are     opie@flesh.nmt.edu    I tried to use my halo as a life
> asleep and dreaming       NewCo MexiTech      preserver, but it sprung a leak.
>   -Skinny Puppy-                                         -Foetus-
>                 Celibacy, live the dream. New Mexico Tech. 


	I am running an IRC client at Ball State University, and I am getting
a lot of similar questions, and I could definately use an ftp help site so that
I can "explain" some of the IRC functions so that they will be easyer to use. 
I understand the workings of IRC, and almost all of the commands, but I am not
that much of an expaliner, and it would be much easyer to just let them have
access to a help file....

Thank you,

--Matt Fields 
================================================================================
	"The one who wants is the	|     VAX:00MCFIELDS     Unix:indy
	one who needs to get it!"	|       Indiana Academy Student
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Irc versions
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:17:22 GMT

I wrote:
>| "Have the IrcII people added another magic thingie in (like
>| "underlining) so that non-IrcII people get more gibberish on their
>| "screens? Say it isn't so...\

For those wondering what the fuss is, the problem is that IrcII
understands that ^B turns on and off boldface (or whatever, looks like
reverse video on my xterm), but other clients don't necessarily have
such gizmos, so their users get confused or their terminals can get
screwed up. IRC is not a system with just One True Client, and adding
such features leads to lots of confusion.
From: kmk@cc.tut.fi (Kai 'Kaizzu' Kein{nen)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Help compiling irc
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:48:57 GMT
Reply-To: kmk@cc.tut.fi
Distribution: alt
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland


In <1992Apr8.042352.21861@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> amid@bullet.ecf (AMID  Rudy) writes:

<-> Source: ircII2.5.1g
<-> Machine: MIPS450

<->   I'm getting these errors:

Fix your news system first, so that your articles would be replyable.

Then, after thoroughly testing your news system, add -Umips in CFLAGS
for ircII. Assuming, that "MIPS450" refers to "RISC/os 4.50"? 
-- 
modern: Kai Kein{nen	< - > kmk@cc.tut.fi, kmk@cs.tut.fi, kmk@funet.fi
old:    Kai Keinanen	< - > KMK@FINTUT.BITNET, mcsun!tut!kmk
ISO:    Kai Keindnen	< - > /C=fi/ADMD=fumail/O=tut/OU=cc/S=Keinanen/G=Kai/
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: Re: Is this group needed? (YES!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:03:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <LURU.92Apr6010548@stekt1.oulu.fi> luru@stekt1.oulu.fi (Ari Husa OH8NUP) writes:

>On the other hand.. now that IRC doesn't rule my life any more it
>becomes increasingly silly to write to this group.

Oh, it's OK, we will lead by example and encourage others to leave
too. I got this warm fuzzy feeling this morning because this group had
4 new messages while alt.irc only had 2!

IRC -- a disease that can be cured.
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
From: CCC_THIE@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (K.-P. Thiessen)
Subject: Re: Dreams
Organization: Gay KaPeTown @ Ulm, Germany
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:42:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Apr5.035246.10292@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU writes:

-|  I had another dream about using IRC. But it was boring and annoying.

    Have you ever had netsex on IRC ??
    ;-))
          KPT


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Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery,alt.irc
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Subject: Re: NetSex is no Sex. It is sick.
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
	<1992Apr11.214240.12422@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>
	<LURU.92Apr13004350@stekt1.oulu.fi>
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:39:57 GMT

   The funniest anecdote I can remember about compusex on IRC was a few
years back (I guess it was in '89 -- that should give you an idea of how
long I've been an addict) when Paul Svennson and some swedish chick joined
a secret channel I happened to be on all alone and started having compusex.
Since I had been working in another window anyway and not paying much
attention at first, I decided what the hell, I'd play voyeur.

   The funniest thing was that the woman got bored and logged out after a
few minutes, with some not very flattering comments to add on the side!

   Sorry Paul, but I've kept quiet about it long enough, and I just had to
tell someone.  :-)
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 16:00:53 WUT
From: Gerhard Gonter <GONTERNN@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: Re: Another one caught

dcohn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>...
>      Just to think about all of the productive things i could have been
>doing (but probably wouldnt have been doing anyway) instead of IRc'ing is
>very frightening... oh well...
>...
like writing to this group, eh?

But seriously, I (thank god) had only contact with the minor drug, Bitnet
Relay, stopped using it several months ago and still suffer from the very
strong side effects (american girlfriend moving to Austria next month...).

best wishes and stay cool, Gerhard Gonter

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Life is like a cobol program.  So many damn bugs and no way to find them.
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From: CCC_THIE@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (K.-P. Thiessen)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: And it IS use/help-ful !  (was "Re: No")
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:00:09 GMT
Organization: Gay KaPeTown @ Ulm, Germany
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Apr3.115808.2951@nntp.hut.fi> zarr@vipunen.hut.fi writes:

-|  In article <1992Apr2.005310.19177@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
-|  jennifer@algol.astro.Virginia.EDU (Jennifer Wesp) writes:
-|  >gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
-|  >luru@stekt.oulu.fi writes:
-|  > >
-|  > > >No, I shall not be there tomorrow.
-|  > >
-|  > >HOORAY!!!!!
-|  >
-|  >I'm going to take my server at universe down now...
-|  
-|  I have not been on irc for couple of days.  I just
-|  haven't felt like it.  Some days I am there all the
-|  time and some...well I just don't want to type irc at 
-|  my prompt.  
-|  
-|  Still, I think IRC is a good thing if used moderately.
-| (...)
-|  It helped me cope with the foreign culture and gave me
-|  strength.  If there are people like that at your site,
-|  would you save IRC for them?  It is not a totally evil
-|  "program." (...)
-| 
-|  Of course, there are other benefits of IRC as well...
-|  
-|  >
-|  >-jennifer
-|  Mari

    I myself feel mainly like Mari about my "addiction" towards
    IRC - sometimes I just don't feel like it.
    But I am probbably a worse case though.

    What I actually WANTED, no HAD TO state here is the fact that
    IRC helped a lot of people with their problems.  Those I know
    mainly had noone to talk to in their close "neighbourhood", or
    at least didn't know how to speak up to the ppl they already
    know.  They needed the privacy and "inpersonality" of IRC for
    their first steps in coming out.
    I was one of those people too.  Please do not take the chances
    and benefits IRC CAN bring away from them.  Remember "we" are
    about 10% of all ppl everywhere - also at YOUR place ...  ;-)

    ThanXXX,
	    KPT


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From: luru@stekt1.oulu.fi (Ari Husa OH8NUP)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.recovery
Subject: NetSex is no Sex. It is sick.
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:43:50 GMT
	<1992Apr11.214240.12422@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>
Organization: The Buffalo Club
In-reply-to: CCC_THIE@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de's message of 11 Apr 92 21:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.214240.12422@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> CCC_THIE@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (K.-P. Thiessen) writes:

>     Have you ever had netsex on IRC ??

I have. It was mainly boring. After the initial interest went down to
"hey, is this all it is ever going to happen?" level, oh well..

I have continued several interesting discussions on the phone,
however. I have also dated a girl I met in IRC. She was (and still is,
I presume) nice and I did (and do) like her. But no, she wasn't the
right one.

All in all, IRC is still not worth it. Real Life is much more fun.
This is not to say IRC cannot be used to replace some of Real Life
functions (notably getting to know people, or keeping in touch over
distance). I just say it is better and more "productive" to do most of
that elsewhere.

Not everyone is such a pathetic case as I, who, at the worst times,
occasionally spent whole DAYS logged on IRC - and nothing much besides
that. As you know, it is virtually impossible to do anything else
while chatting on IRC.

Regardless of the level of IRC-addiction, IRC makes you passive. It
alienates you from the surrounding world. It keeps your phone busy
(providing you do it via modem, as you always do after you are
hooked). It steals most of your time - either from work or from
leasure.

When you have reached a certain level, you don't enjoy IRC anymore.
You just hang in there "in case that something cool would happen". You
just hang in there, even though you are actually bored to death.

Think about it.

But there is one thing that is good about IRC - at least in relation
to other activities. Unlike MUD, most of IRC people can pretend they
are themselves, not dwarfs or whatever. Of course, this is not always
the case, since some people have these two "activities" (what a word!)
confused.

These days, however, I feel equally sorry for both IRC and MUD
addicts, giggling at the terminal, living in their virtual world
prison.

	Luru

///     Ei isot sanat suuta halkaise
o-o             eik{ isot pierut persett{.
 o                      (Virrat)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS// actually about real names
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.165133.7121@techbook.com>, gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff
Frane) writes:
> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Apr14.034632.12938@acsu.buffalo.edu>
acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond) writes:
> 
> >>Hey, B-CPU, does your comment about circumcision apply to the Muslims?
> >>What about some Christians? (maybe even yourself?)
> >>
> >>That pissed me off.
> >>
> >>One angry Muslim (and, no, I'm not a terrorist!),
> 
> >I missed what B-CPU had to say about circumcision... tell me?
> 
> >>-Ismail
> >>other name: Randy
> >>:)
> 
> >	-Nora
> 
> One of those yahoos explained something to the effect that the
> Jewish-inspired conspiracy to deprive (WHITE) men of their foreskins was
> a greater crime than gassing/shooting/burning 6 million Jews.  This
> horrible trauma at birth is apparently still wearing at his "mind".
> 
> --Jeff

  Then the fact that the practice has all but dissapeared would suggest the
"conspiracy" is over.  Right?

                            -Kurt

Xref: sparky alt.activism:7791 alt.censorship:3349 alt.conspiracy:6412 talk.politics.misc:18457
From: panda@syrinx.umd.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:52:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

>In article <eBF9iB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
>
>> The intent of the Zionist-
>>controlled media in the United States is to misinform,

So here we see evidence that Zionist = Jewish in the eyes of 
these rats.  The drivel about Jews running the media just
claims that media leaders have Jewish sounding names, so now
these people have all been turned into Zionists.  Gee, how
predictable.
-- 
Lisa Wolfisch Nyman         "Life is too short to wear ugly underwear."
panda@syrinx.umd.edu                    
Just remember, geographers do it in places unknown to the general public.
New from Dweeb Publishers: Memoirs of a Workstation Widow, Oh the Agony of It
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.001441.10220@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>Morally, in my opinion, no one has the right to shout down those they
>oppose.

Just out of curiosity, Mr. Kadie, would you have been as zealous in
supporting the rights of the German Nazis to be heard in, say, 1930?

Just what _would_ you have done, if anything, to resist Nazism?


Incidentally, I endorse Lenore's call for a good, heavily satiric
comedian as a better alternative to shouting.

And in a practical sense, it would undoubtedly be problematic to try
to drown out the KKK speakers. The only way to do this would be by a
war of electronics that would be truly offensive to the local
residents. 

I wonder where they are going to be holding their rally. I'd really be
hard put if they got going with speeches and loudspeakers in my
neighborhood. What do you suggest, Mr. Kadie, to cool out the
neighbors here? How will you make this hatred and implicit violence
palatable to the people who are about to be exposed to it?


--Mark
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS being denied "free speech"
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:25:03 GMT

aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>Well, I just read one too many ignorant posts implying that
>Larry Agran isn't being denied free speech because the media, party
>officials, etc. have the right to ignore him as they see fit.

Just because you have a right to free speech doesn't mean that people
have to listen to you.

MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /   I'm not a bigot,
--    UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd  /    I hate everyone.
-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              / 
Xref: sparky alt.activism:7835 alt.censorship:3392 alt.conspiracy:6464 talk.politics.misc:18578
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 14:18:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island
Keywords: nazi trash
Summary: cowardly nazi trash - good riddance...

In article <XL4BJB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) once
again demonstrates his regressive genetic complexion:

>     Well, Zionist pressure is again stirring to deny
>Banished CPU access.  With the Usenet exception, the Mass

I've got news for you, you disgusting piece of shit - I'd be delighted
if you lost your feed, although I haven't done anything towards that
end, and I'm not remotely either Jewish or a Zionist. You are simply a
cowardly lump of dung the net could do without. Even us non-Zionists
can figure that out, just by reading your trash.

>Media is nearly 100% under Zionist control, so why allow the
>exception?  Certain truths must not be sent 'round the world,
>don't you all know that?  Revisionists would NEVER admit the
>hopelessness and inevitable collapse of their position by
>silencing their opposition.

Read my Yankee-Canadian lips, dogmeat - you and your nazi friends will
NEVER silence ANYONE again - the world won't tolerate your brand of
crap any longer.

>     As the Zionists suggest when they present to the
>American public their nation-wide, nation-destroying Mass
>Media programs; when offended, simply change channels or turn
>off.  Should this not be the Usenet modus operandi?

In the case of the Cowardly-CPU, I'd be delighted - by my guest, turn
it off.

>     Side remark:  Holocausters continue quoting from books
>and other material, full of lies and misleading, deceiving
>material.  A mass media debate or, better still, a series of
>mass media debates by the most knowledgeable, on both sides,
>would expose their lies and deception.  This obviously is why
>there is no debate, at any cost.

There is no debate, dog shit, because you and your nazi trash friends
have nothing, absolutely nothing, to say. Not even a glimmer of
substance - none, nada, nothing. Giving air time to shit like you
would serve no ends but yours, and the folks who control the media
(that's US, asshole - we're the PUBLIC) aren't about to provide you
with a recruiting platform - we haven't forgotten what your kind did
to the world, and we never will.

>Pete Faust
>Institute for Relearning

Pete Faust, Cowardly trash.

-- 
        ==========================================================     
        "Many, many innocent jews will be crushed by the betrayal"
        ==========================================================
                  pfaust@b-cpu.uucp (Pete Faust, coward)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:07:17 GMT

Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis) writes:
>In article <rdippold.703198330@cancun>
>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>> No, it's not an implication that it was intentional or malicious.
>> It's an implication that people are going to automatically assume that
>> Thomas did the worst possible thing and attack him for it until the
>> actual facts come out.

>What actaul facts?   Thomas did do "the worst possible thing" in this
>case: he declined to afford prisoners 8th amendment protection.  What
>are you talking about?

I'm talking about the farging cases that were being discussed at the
time, where people railed against Thomas for voting against the farmer
caught in the sting operation, and claimed that in the prisoner
beating case he voted all by himself (even against Scalia) in the
wrong way.  It was bad enough how he actually voted, but people on the
net had to make it even worse.  Is your attention span always so short?
-- 
If you have to travel on the Titanic, why not go first class?  -- Hempstone
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,alt.censorship
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.044715.22638@cs.umn.edu> dege@cs.umn.edu (Dege Jeffrey Charles) writes:
>In <1992Apr14.142055.23623@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>>I'd like to know something. When a member of the S.A. (brownshirts)
>>is standing in front of your shop, holding a placard carrying the
>>inscription "Don't buy from Jewish shops," and the general populace,
>>for whatever reason, chooses to obey the sign, what should the Jewish
>>shopowner do? The S.A. member is doing nothing but exercising free
>>speech.

>    Look up the legal definition of assault.  Threatening violence is
>a crime.  Verbal harrasment is a crime.  If the S.A. was holding those
>signs on a public sidewalk and simply tried to CONVINCE people not to
>shop in the store, they would be exercising free speech.  

This is funny. You're making our point for us.

In the example in question, the threat of violence was sufficiently
well know (by example of the number of people who'd been roughed up or
worse) that it wasn't _necessary_ to utter any threats.

The implicit threat would be carried out regardless.

And according to Mr. Dege, the making of the implicit threat is a
defensible right!!!


Welcome to the real world, friend.


--Mark
Newsgroups: alt.activism