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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Adjusted Fielding Range
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:50:03 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Sep4.123102.13572@cs.wayne.edu> dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:

>In _The Great American Baseball Stat Book_, the statistic "adjusted
>fielding range" is used.  It is basically outs started (fly balls
>caught, ground balls, DPs started) divided by the number of balls in
>play while that player was in games.

>1) Is this the same as the stat that people on the net use (DA or
>whatever)?

Nah.  This isn't DA.  It's more of an intermediary step.

>2) Is this stat any good?  It appears to be much better than fielding
>average or range factor (Jose Lind is at the top of the second basemen,
>McGwire at the top of first basebamen, etc), but are there some major
>problems with this too?

Well, yes, its infinitely more useful than fielding average (so is shoe
size), and almost certainly more accurate tharange factor, especially for
infielders, especially especially for first basemen.  All it is, essentially,
is a count of the balls that the fielder touched first and then made into an
out.

The major problem with this, one that DA mostly solves, is it doesn't take
into account the number of opportunities the fielder had to make plays.
If two players both make 3.43 plays per 9, AFR "rates" them equal even if
one of the players had far more opportunities than the other.

Greg 
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:25:36 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Orioles get Craig Lefferts
Distribution: usa
 <1SEP199217534406@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>

Somebody had asked for stats on Schullstrom. Milacki, and Lefferts.  These are
currect as of last Friday:
              W-L  ERA   IP   H    BB  SO
Schullstrom   5-8  3.54  122  113  59  121  at AA Hagerstown

Milacki       7-1  4.57  61   57   21  35   Jon Miller said last night that
Bob actually pitched better than those numbers indicate.  Half the runs he
gave up came in three innings near the start of his time at AAA.


Lefferts     13-8  3.52  158  173  33  80


Looks to me like Schullstrom is a legitimate prospect.  I don't see
how Lefferts is that much of an improvement of what the O's have
already.


Dennis Shea
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From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:47:50 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo

Japan Central League Standing(Through games on Thursday August 27th)

                        W   L   T   Pct.   GB
Yakult Swallows        55  42   0   .567   --
Hanshin Tagers         55  47   1   .539   2.5
Yomiuri Giants         56  48   0   .538   2.5
Hiroshima Carp         50  49   0   .505   6.0
Taiyo Whales           46  57   1   .447  12.0
Chunichi Dragons       41  60   0   .406  16.0

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series against the Chunichi Dragons at Nagoya Stadium and the win moved 
Yomiuri Giants I hate within 2.5 games of the pacesettig  Yakult Swallows
in the Central League.
       
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From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cone and Overwork?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:20:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:

>We've had some discussion
>about Torborg allowing Cone to reach huge pitch totals with
>the Mets and I began to wonder if it wasn't part of a plan.

["If we can't have him, nobody will!" argument deleted.]

Torborg has said that Cone didn't want to leave the games and repeatedly asked
to stay in when Torborg went out with a hook. I have seen nothing from Cone
that refutes this.

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: What is slugging percentage?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:19:19 GMT

In article <Bu0pot.134@encore.com> jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe "Nihil" Lundy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.111800.801@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>|> 	Don't sacrifice flies count in here as 0-base hits?
>
>You are right, but the laws of mathematics (or SABRmetrics for that matter)
>state that that gets cancelled out of the equation:
>
>(0*sacrifices+0*HBP+0*GITP+0*catcher's interference+1*singles+2*doubles
>+3*triples+4*HRs)
>
>is the actual equation, but it's taken years of analysis by guys like Dr. Dave
>to reduce this equation to a useable form.

Joey, I think he was confusing between the equation for SLG and for OBP.
Slugging does not use the sacrifices at all, while the OBP formula does:

OBP = (H + BB + HBP) / (AB + BB + HBP + SF)

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From: tim@normal.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ugliest *ever* (was: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseb
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:07:41 GMT
Distribution: na,local,world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

Tom Matchick (sp?), Detroit, roughly 1968, has to be a contender.

 Tim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: What is slugging percentage?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 05:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.035515.5088@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.201919.23800@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>>OBP = (H + BB + HBP) / (AB + BB + HBP + SF)
>
>    How about fielder's choice?  

A fielder's choice *is* an at-bat, so that's covered.

Unless you are talking about a *Fielder's* choice... :-)

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Clark traded from the Sox?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:21:27 GMT

king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:

>	Yes, Clark did clean out his locker (name plate and all) but has
>insisted that he has not been traded.  The Red Sox have been trying to
>give him to the Angel all season but the Angels don't want to pay him
>that much.  The Red Sox have asked the commissioner to allow them to
>assume more than 700,000 of Clark's remaining salary.  If they can, you
>may see Clark in California to stay after this upcoming series.  We shall
>have to wait and see.

I was told that Jeff Reardon also cleaned out his locker and I've heard
no official trade of him either. Any more on that Bostonians?
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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who'll win the NL MVP?
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:30:07 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Aug25.222325.19206@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:

some of us don't always read news from terminals which automatically
wrap long lines.  512 character lines are a bit much! 

appreciation for judiciously inserted <CR><LF> will be forthcoming...



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From: trn@warper.jhuapl.edu (Tony Nardo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ANSWER: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 17
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:36:43 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:

>LAST WEEK'S PLAY:

>     On a 3-2 count the pitcher sends a fast ball high and tight to
>     a right handed hitter. The batter attempts to get out of the
>     way by turning counter clockwise. The ball strikes him in the
>     hip as he loses his grip on the bat. The bat falls to the
>     ground in front of the plate. You're the home plate umpire.
>     What's the call?

>THE CALL:

>The batter in the first play is out on strikes. The intent of the
>batter is not a factor in this play. A strike is defined in Rule
>2.00 as a legal pitch which "Is struck at by the batter and is
>missed." Even though the batter didn't intend to, he swung at the
>pitch when he turned and lost control of his bat. Whether a batter
>has swung or not is determined by whether the bat head broke the
>parallel plane of the front of the plate. Despite what people have
>argued for years, "breaking" of the wrists means nothing when
>determining if a batter swung or not.

Sorry, have to disagree here.  At least in the '85 rules, there is no rule
or definition explicitly stating that a bat crossing the parallel plane in
front of home plate is to be considered an attempt by the batter to hit the
ball.  It seems to be an unofficial guideline followed by the umps in
determining whether an attempt to check a swing was done in time, but it
is not an explicit rule.

(If I'm wrong, could someone please quote the exact rule which defines
breaking the plane of the plate as an attempt to hit the ball by the batter?)

With that, we go back to rule 6.08 (b), which states:
	6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base
	     without liability to be put out (provided he advances and
	     touches first base) when

	    (b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting
		to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it
					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		touches the batter [...]

Rule 2.00 defines "strike zone" as "that space over home plate which is between
the batters armpits and the top of his knees when he assumes his natural
stance [...]"

Had rule 6.08 said "The ball is a strike" instead of "The ball is in the
strike zone", your call would be correct.  But the two terms have different
definitions.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: treefrog@byron.u.washington.edu (Bryce Chackerian)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.193940.16825@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>
>American League
>---------------
>
>
>ROY
>1. Strong: Listach, Lofton
>2. Fading: Fleming
I don't see how Fleming could be fading.  he's 15-5 for the worst team
(check that) 2nd worst team in baseball (sorry Phillie phans) with 
a 3.10 ish ERA.  And in his last start he pitched a 2 hit shutout over
the Indians.  Incidentally Lofton got both hits.

While I'm in a Seattle mood, I might as well tout Edgar Martinez.
Third in Slugging, third in OBP--he's having an MVP-ish sort of year.
Of course he won't win, but the in edgar we have the makings of a 
2nd Mariner superstar.  Jr., Edgar, Mitchell, the surprising Omar
Vizquel, and possibly Bret Boone (who seems to be adapting well to
the majors) seem to be a potent nucleus for future years.  Now if only
they could get some pitching.......

-- 

- bryce
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Darryl Cousins
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:08:01 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


I saw Cousins ump the other day (Militello vs. Wegman).  What's the
dirt on this guy?  Is he always this awful?  Or was he just having a
bad day?  His strike zone was ridiculously inconsistent, both
vertically and on the outside of the plate.

I know TV is deceptive, but some of these were obvious!  (And neither
the batters nor the pitchers liked his calls very much at all.)

Cheers,
-Valentine
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:18:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.131254.23869@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:

>I won't argue the numbers but, as always, statistics are quite misleading:
>
>	1) You indicate each performers RBI vs. RISP, but there's no 
>	   quantification of the pitching quality. How do I know that the
>	   avg. ERA of the pitchers Fielder faced in these situations wasn't
>	   a half point lower than those Canseco faced.

But then, how do we know that Fielder faced better pitchers than Canseco?
Assuming that we don't know the information, we can't assume that he did.

>	3) Maybe six teams had better RBI men than the Tigers, but they have 
>	   led the league in runs scored the past two or three years. That's
>	   what really counts.

And my point of contention is that Tony Phillips and Lou Whitaker had *a lot*
more to do with the fact that the Tigers scored a lot of runs than Fielder.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tigers/Twins  Game-8  8/25/92
From: tim@normal.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:05:24 -0400
Followup-To: tim@normal.georgetown.edu,rec.sport.baseball
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

In article <19890@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>       Tigers ............. 4 ; Twins ............. 3
>
>The Tigers got another one under their belt and beat the Twins
>4-3....
>
>S.H
>Forever Twins

Speaking of the Tigers, they are really shaping up!  There are some 
young pitchers that look promising, and the team continues to score
an awesome amount of runs.  Were Cecil having a year like one of the
previous two (he _is_ relatively awful this year, and has been pointed
out many times here, the bases are packed almost every time he is up,
inflating his...RBIs), and were there just one more half-decent starter
(every team's need), then the Tigers would be in the race.

Next year looks like an improved Tiger team.

By the way, does anybody else think that the team to beat is Milwaukee,
now and in the future?


Best,
 Timothy Law Snyder
 Department of Computer Science
 Reiss 225
 Georgetown University
 Washington, DC 20057

tim@normal.georgetown.edu
(202) 687-6208

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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: More about Canseco and Sierra
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:13:57 GMT

These are Brock projections for Canseco and Sierra, assuming that they finish
this year at their original pace, for next year:

Canseco:	.259 BA, .371 OBP, .504 SLG
Sierra:		.311 BA, .363 OBP, .516 SLG

Keep in mind, though, I ran it using unadjusted figure.  Canseco's numbers
are likely to be higher since he's coming out of Oakland.

Also, under the projection, Canseco's last season as a regular would be
2000, while Sierra's would be 2001.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: ANSWER: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 17
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:30:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.200901.11491@odin.corp.sgi.com> luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
>In article <92238.231056IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>LAST WEEK'S PLAY:
>>
>>     On a 3-2 count the pitcher sends a fast ball high and tight to
>>     a right handed hitter. The batter attempts to get out of the
>>     way by turning counter clockwise. The ball strikes him in the
>>     hip as he loses his grip on the bat. The bat falls to the
>>     ground in front of the plate. You're the home plate umpire.
>>     What's the call?
>>
>I are confused! First we have a high and tight fastball that hits him
>in the hip. How did that happen?

I believe this refers to a Randy Johnson hip.

Just trying to be helpful.


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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ending streaks (was Re: Longest On-Base Streaks?)
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:40:00 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Aug28.054503.22286@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>A pitcher can snap a hitting streak by not throwing anything
>>close to a batter.  Wussy. 
> 
> not necessarily -
> 10.24 (b) a consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the
> player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit
> batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt.

Thanks for the rule quote.  This sounds a little like the "what is a 
no-hitter" controversy that plagued us a year ago. In both cases the rules
are trying to regulate something they really shouldn't regulate.

10.24 (b) seems to be a recent additon, letting you continue a hitting streak
without getting a hit.  Odd.  If Pete Rose got his 57th game in the streak
going 0 for 0 with 5 PAs, (3 BBs, a SH, a HBP), imagine the uproar!  Rose
"cheapened" the hitting streak by not getting a hit, etc, etc.

My other point remains.  Longest on-base streaks are of interest to me.
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From: wapitten@remus.rutgers.edu (William Pittenger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: oops forgot...
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:10:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I left a message asking for some box score info from fridays pirates 
and padres game...which some  one quickly responded to.
Unfortunately, I deleted his address and I still need some more info.
So could someone tell me what Tony Fernandez did in that game?  I just
need to know AB,H,R,RBI,SB,HR.

Thanks,
Bill P.
wapitten@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Montreal-Atlanta game
Keywords: Is this right?
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:52:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1SEP199212312836@mitme5.mit.edu> kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:

>I just looked at the copy of McPaper today. I noticed that it has Montreal 
>playing at Atlanta on Thursday. Is this correct? I thought that it was going to
>be scheduled on Oct. 5 and played only if it affected the division races. Did I 
>miss something?

Yep.  It's the make up game for the one that was rained out (mercifully) last
week.



GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(DAMMIT!)





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From: belo@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Matthew J. Belo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Statistics ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:35:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing

Has anyone gotten the statistics for the last couple weeks (i.e. w/e 8/16,
8/23 and 8/30)?  There had been someone uploading the Elias numbers here
the r.s.b., but these have been missing lately.  Does someone have them or
have access to them?  If you do, would you please send me a copy of these
either via e-mail or post them.  It would be most appreciated.

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From: jvariyam@ada.stat.uga.edu (jayachandran n variyam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Deliberate loss?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:10:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Sep2.161028.18337
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia Statistics Department
Originator: jvariyam@ada


   Do the Braves have any games remaining with Pirates?
If so what would be their strategy now that they have a
comfortable lead in the West? Given that they would rather
play Pirates than the Expos for the division title, would
they choose to lose?  Can someone recount what happened
in similar situations before?