From: blayda@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danger)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Rights Advocates
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:57:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

Lessee, this started in response to a poster claiming that if you
are interested in anonymity then you shouldn't post due to the
abuses of the *intent* of the 3rd Amendment.  (FBI feeds from
the Net is just like having your own soldier living with you
in the comfort of your home.)

So, to carry further the amusing unknowledgeable inventiveness:

In article <1992Jul28.155313.6515@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:
>
>In <Bs2FqL.6uJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> Danger states:
>
>[FBI visitations]
>
>|Well, I'm sure they won't come visiting.  The howizter is enough to
>|knock out a helicopter 
>
>I presume you are using one of them "flechette" loads when firing
>on a helo; now that would cause some damage...

I'm not sure of the effects against armored gunships though.

>|and the car is rigged with a couple of shotguns
>|behind the wheel-wells.
>
>I hope you use slugs, 'cause shot doesn't seem to have much penetrating
>capability of sheet metal of autos...

Of course I use slugs, I learned how to shoot with them and consequently,
I shoot best with them.  Turning the car for aiming and having to judge
the proper angle to hit tires (upper sides) or gas tanks will require
more practice, but nothing anyone would notice in New York City or
Washington D.C. or even the on the LA superhighways.

>|I thought that making my own bullets at home would be great and I came
>|across a crate of steel ball bearings.  Coat the larger ones with lead
>|and PRESTO! instant armor piercing for most vests from a shotgun.

>Have you tested this? I am curious as to whether such a shape could
>penetrate soft-body armor. Coating the ball bearing I assume would
>make it no more armor piercing than a standard lead slug. Figure it
>this way: a flack jacket can stop jagged pieces of metal from 
>nearby explosions, but may or may not stop a smallarm round. This
>definitely calls for some testing before trusting your life to
>it in a firefight.

Hmmm...no, I haven't tried this out quite yet.  Body armor is soo
expensive and I get so few volunteers.  The coating on the ball
bearing is to reduce wear and tear on the barrel of the gun.  I had
always assumed that non-deformity and high velocity was more 
important for armor piercing than shape and I always use shotguns.
Am I wrong?  I had thought that a slug shot from a 12 gau. would
be enough to set most anyone on their ass, armor or no.

>Some things you could try: I've read that Zinc-cast bullets of the
>shape of "Arcane" i.e. a conical point in .45ACP are capable of
>penetrating soft-body armor. American Rifleman many years took the
>9mm sintered-iron bullets from 1950s era Czech surplus ammo, loaded
>them into a .380 Auto case, and found that these rounds would penetrate
>soft-body armor. In these cases, light weight combines with bullet
>shape, or bullet shape combined with hard materials, offer AP capability
>to a user.

If I were to do this I would (to reduce costs) mold a plastic type
bullet around a short pointed rod.  The molding would fall off the
bullet fairly easily after being shot and the rod would do the
damage.  Of course we could just stick with hollow points and fill
them with nasties for a possibly better effect.

>I would encourage experimentation and reporting of results to ascertain
>the feasibility of field-expedient AP firearms ammo.


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