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From: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Subject: Re: Re. Planning production of ET532 Ethernet cards to add to PC532s.
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:58:46 GMT

I definitely want one.  My only real concern is price.  If the board
and ICs approach the price of the pc532 itself I might think twice.  I
don't want to quibble a whole lot, but I also am not willing to write
a blank check by committing to something with an outrageous pricetag.

My other concern is software.  Sounds like Dave has the low-level in
hand, but what about an OS?  What's going on with Mach, BSD SS, ports
of 386BSD and/or BSD/386, etc.?  When might something that can at
least limp be available, and what sorts of distribution is being
considered?  I do hope the mistakes of Minix will be avoided -- there
are probably many people like myself who were driven away because it
was such a pain to bring up a decent Minix system.  That's not saying
I don't expect some work, but it would be much more productive for me
and everyone else to spend limited resources working on *new* stuff
and not re-inventing the wheel by having to port all sorts of code
that others have ported but nobody was willing to collect in a decent
manner.

BTW, what will happen with regard to the daughter board for the serial
ports?  One of the things I'm interested in working on is networking
and communications, and having a dedicated processor to drive those
serial ports is a very appealing resource ...

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From: tbr@tfic.bc.ca (Tom Rushworth)
Subject: Re: ET532
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:47:00 GMT

Count me in for one ET532.
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From: rjohnson@mprgate.mpr.ca (Robbin Johnson)
Subject: If you could have a PC532 Graphics Board...
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:18:28 GMT

..what would you like to see on it?

Given the recent rekindling of interest/discusion on the PC532, if (just *if*,
no offer or promise made or implied) _someone_ was to be considering designing
and building a graphics board for the PC532; and if that person had to make
some design decisions Real Soon Now; what would you suggest?

For instance:

LSI Logic makes a sweet little puppy called the 33020 which is a MIPS R3000
embedded processor core sans MMU but including a built in DRAM/VRAM interface
(including 64-bit wide interleaved), BitBLT co-pro, serial i/f, prom i/f,
timers and chip select logic and cache.  The thing was designed with Xterm
in mind.

They also build an evaluation board and will make (have made :->) the
schematics for that available.  The eval board has both a monchrome and a
colour interface (up 1280x1024 mono or 1024x768 colour), keyboard i/f, mouse
and serial port i/f's, boot prom i/f, and ethernet (done in effectively two
components for an AUI-only interface).  Since there is no SCSI, you would
have to loose either the colour or the ethernet if you wished to use only
the built-in chip select logic.  Also the mono version can be done out of
DRAM only - no VRAM required - with approx. 17% memory bandwidth lost to the
display with a 25MHz. processor.  The colour version requires separate VRAM
and a RAMDAC - a lot more real estate (and $$'s).

Now if that was your starting point, what would you do?  Monochrome with
optional ethernet (no *need* to populate)?  Colour with no ethernet?  AUI-
only thick ethernet or go the distance and include a thin (or UTP?) interface
as well?  Would you even be interested?

The processor runs in the $250US area for Q100 ceramic PGA (224 pins! That's
more than the 32532 - looks real busy).  There is also a QFP package due out
soon and while my employer has the equipment to do the mounting, most others
would not be so lucky - but the surface mount package is cheaper (I forget
off-hand how much).

NO PROMISES AS TO WHEN SOMETHING MIGHT BE READY FOR REVIEW (we just bought a
house yesterday!), but having access to the prototype design has made the
project easier to manage.

To date there are two definites for a board - me and Tom Rushworth - but there
are a lot of questions.  Where to get the PC boards fabbed?  How to source the
components?  Good Grief!  What about software?
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From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: et532 for me....
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:32:02 GMT

In article <2ACB9C73@msmail.trl.oz.au> MBoschma@vccdocs8.telecom.COM.AU writes:
>I see from recent postings that I'm down for an et532. The finances are such 
>that I'll have to pass. I'm about to spend yet more money on getting a 
>working drive for my system (Simon, if your out there - I'm coming for my 
>board :)

Did somebody post a price list that I missed?

I don't know about anyone else, but I *do* need to know pricing before I can
commit.  The price of the pcb and estimated price of parts, and whether or
not we can get a deal on the CPU like we did for the pc532 run.

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From: MBoschma@vccdocs8.telecom.COM.AU
Subject: et532 for me....
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:48:00 GMT

I see from recent postings that I'm down for an et532. The finances are such 
that I'll have to pass. I'm about to spend yet more money on getting a 
working drive for my system (Simon, if your out there - I'm coming for my 
board :)

One Idea, that due to lazyness hasn't been followed up, is that there exist' 
SCSI based ethernet cards (usually used with MacIntoshes) that could be used. 
All that would need to be done is to write a high level driver, like the 
disk/tape ones and above that you could run IP, etc.

I'll push the people I was asking....

Marc

marcb@img.com.au


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From: bdale@gag.COM (Bdale Garbee)
Subject: ET532 cards
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:48:44 GMT

If someone is committing to writing driver support for this card for one or
more of the operating systems running on the pc532 now, I can speak for three
cards... Fred, John, and I would play along.

If noone is committing to writing driver support, I think it's a pretty
expensive way to get an ethernet port, so I'd be more likely to do something
else if I have to write driver code myself.

Bdale
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From: jvh@cs.hut.fi (Johannes Helander)
Subject: Planning production of ET532 Ethernet cards to add to PC532s.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS Lab.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:12:38 GMT

Is the 32532 CPU still as expensive as it used to be?

It would be convenient to put the same CPU on the et532 as on the
pc532. Then it would be possible to run the same operating system on
both boards. Also in case someone that doesn't yet have a pc532 would
like to have one, he could build an et532 without building a pc532.

Personally I plan to use a decstation as my ethernet card but wouldn't
mind an et532 if it's not too expensive (which I guess it'll be). The
main difficulty is anyway going to be to make scsi work well enough to
communicate between the different boards. Assuming the et532's scsi
interface is as horrible the pc532's it's not going to be easy. In
case et532 is going to be built I hope it has a nice ethernet chip and
not a collection of kludges like the dp8490 is.

	Johannes
From: DALL@hfrd.dsto.GOV.AU
Subject: GAS problems for the 32x32
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:09:26 GMT

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From: davis#m#_bryan@msgate.corp.apple.COM (Davis, Bryan")
Subject: PC532 CPU cluster.
Organization: Association for the Prevention of Polar Bears and Kangaroos
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:28:26 GMT

I am looking for a PC532 CPU/FPU/ICU cluster.  Does anyone know of sources for
these?  Thanks in advance.

Bryan Davis
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From: mhhutchi@unity.ncsu.edu (Max Hutchison)
Subject: hp28s,need info on downloading
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:41:38 GMT

I am interested and have been trying to find some help with downloading info 
into my hp28s. Can anyone help with the way to find an interface and what ever is needed to do this. THANKS. 
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From: ahern@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Sean Ahern)
Subject: Re: Ti-85 Vs. HP-48sx for Mech. Engnr
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:45:51 GMT

In <1992Sep28.201942.24993@linus.mitre.org> m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) writes:

>kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com writes:
>> [I like HP calculators] and I love the RPN.
>
>Oh, Gawd... ! Not RPN vs. Algebraic again!  Enough already!
>Isn't 20 years of resolution-less debate on this topic sufficient?
>If you like RPN, then use RPN.  If you like Algebraic, then
>use Algebraic.  But even HP (finally) admitted that their
>            <lines deleted>

It's not a debate.  Kevin's not saying Algebraic is bad.  He is not advocating
one over the other.

He is saying that he likes being able to do math in RPN.

One of the really nice features of the HP48sx is that you can take your
pick.  If you like RPN, you can use it.  If you like Algebraic, you can use
that, too.  If you are like most people I know, you switch between them,
depending on the use.

The impression that I got of Kevin's post was extolling the virtues of the
HP48sx, not denouncing the use of Algebraic.

Trying to defuse an argument,
Sean
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From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: TI/Casio comment (was Re: <None>)
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:51:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <brianc.717525916@pv322b.vincent.iastate.edu> brianc@iastate.edu (Brian J Cerveny) writes:

>In <1992Sep25.230914.1@stsci.edu> safley@stsci.edu writes:

>>>>P.S.  Reverse Polish Notation is absolutely wonderful and it (after you
>>>>are used to it) makde your life MUCH easier.
>>> 
>>> Not if the equation operating system is competent on the calculator.
>>> If I want to calculate (2cos(45/3-12.5)+5(3/2+4)^2)/3 then that is 
>>> EXACTLY how I enter it.  No need to remember the order of operations you

>>What? Do you have a 48s or 48sx? Have you ever read anything about it? If so,
>>you should know that you can enter the equation above EXACTLY as you have
>>it entered above. (And you can enter it in the equation writer
>>exactly as it would appear on paper, if so inclined.
>>Does the TI have something similar? I've never seen the TI).

>Yes, I've used an HP-48 extensively.  I realize there is an equation writer,
>but in this case we were discussing RPN.  The TI doesn't have quite the
>extensive writer that the HP does.. the function I have above is just how

I just want to clear this up for lurkers. If you want to evaluate
the above expression on your 48, there are two ways to do it:

	1) The easiest (for this expression) is to enter an "algebraic"
object, and hit EVAL, like so:
	'(2*COS(45/3-12.5)+5*(3/2+4)^2)/3' EVAL
And that will work fine. Depending on how you look at it, you can
either call it RPN or not. (It's rpn because you're evaluating an
algebraic with EVAL).


	2) If you want to use RPN (which you would proabably do
if you were actually DOING a problem, not copying it from paper),
you could use

	45 3 / 12.5 - COS 2 * 3 2 / 4 + 2 ^ 5 * + 3 /

>>> If I want to calculate (2cos(45/3-12.5)+5(3/2+4)^2)/3 then that is 

Which will proabably save you some typing, and is MUCH more intuitive.
--
John Hawkinson
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: HPIL cables
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:33:20 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

I need some HPIL cables.  Before I go out and buy new ones, I thought I'll
poll the list to see if anyone has some laying around collecting dust.

John

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From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Which calculator has a long life?  TI or HP?
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:09:55 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix) writes:

> 
> 	I had the TI-85 for only 1 month, but had dropped it on ground
> for 4 times already!
> 	So, I was wondering if anyone knows (though no one wish this
> to happen):  If both of those calculators are dropped on the ground
> accidently, which one would have a higher chance to survive?

My HP48 (version A) dropped 3 times from 80 cm while I was trying to
get some photo of it. Although it was turned on, nothing happened.
The mechanical design of Charlemagne is superlative.
The rubber feet and the connector of the plug-in cards are quite reliable.

> 	Also, does anyone know if one of those calculator's keyboard
> would last longer than the other?

I don't know what improvements made Texas Instruments in this field:
I had got a TI 57 for two years (many years ago) but the keyboard was
my major complaint: when I pressed the [0] sometimes I got 000, sometimes
nothing, sometimes 00, but seldom 0.
Therefore I believe they worked hard to enhance keyboard reliability.

With regard to the HP48 I can tell you only that I am typing on the 
keyboard since May 1990 ** every day ** : it never missed a keypress.

So I am ported to conclude that fine technology has its own costs.
If the TI-85 costs much less than the HP48 is because it costs much less
to Texas.

Bye

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: Which calculator has a long life?  TI or HP?
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:57:20 GMT

	Hi, there!  I am a owner of a TI-85.  (But this won't influnence
my following articles....
	I had the TI-85 for only 1 month, but had dropped it on ground
for 4 times already!  Everytime when it lands on the ground, the battery
cover on the back and all the batteries flies out.  Thank God so far
it hasn't been broken yet :)  I think the reason that the back cover 
falls off everytime is because the batteries inside vibrate against
the cover and the cover isn't tightly locked (TI's backcover isn't
screwed, it's like a hook thing).
	So, I was wondering if anyone knows (though no one wish this
to happen):  If both of those calculators are dropped on the ground
accidently, which one would have a higher chance to survive?  This is
not a joke.  I am very careful with my TI, it's just that I had to
carry tons of books with the Ti all the time.  Plus, the rubber
stripes on Ti doesn't have much fraction cofficient, because for
once it literally slid off my table.  
	Also, does anyone know if one of those calculator's keyboard
would last longer than the other?
	All comments would be greatly appreciated.
			Thanks!
					Ming

	(Wouldn't it be suck if you spend hundred buck on this calculator,
and one day you drop it....then BANN.......)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Flag Capture-TI (for TI-81)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:24:25 GMT

Ooops.  That should be "...the presense or absence of closing PARENTHISES
is very important."  not "closing QUOTES"

Hope I didn't confuse anybody.  ("Parenthises" was used in a later sentence.)
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From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: Ti-85 Vs. HP-48sx for Mech. Engnr
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:17:22 GMT

Craig A. Finseth writes:
>> But even HP (finally) admitted that their choice of RPN way back when
>> was driven by hardware considerations...

> I am curious.  Exactly when and where did HP state this?

I knew sombody was going to call me on this one.  All I can say is
that it was a "knowledgable and usually reliable source close to HP".
I don't think it was ever published anywhere.

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From: schwarm@pineapple.cns.udel.edu (Alex Schwarm)
Subject: I want an HP-48s, please email me at 32616@brahms.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:27:19 GMT
From: anderson@Apple.COM (Clark Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Re: Ti-85 Vs. HP-48sx for Mech. Engnr
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:50:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

dseaman@oread: Ti-85 Vs. HP-48sx for Mech. Engnr:
>A month ago or so I bought the TI-85 for my calc class. I am very
>impressed with its features. I was wondering: Will I need to get
>an HP-48sx to make my life easier?

I have owned 4 TI calculators over the years (a 58, a 59 and a couple
of their "programmer" models). Unfortunately, my experience with
TI has been poor - I think their calculators are junk, because of
the flimsy construction (the feature sets are fine for me).
I either lose the display or the keyboard goes out on me, every time.

On the other hand, I had a HP41 and now a 48SX, plus having used
a lot of HP equipment (plotters, scopes, spectrum analyzers, etc).
HP makes some of the best instruments I have seen. They ain't
pretty, but they won't fail, and that's what I care about. HP
makes professional-grade tools that are built to last.
I can't say that about TI.

>Are the HP-48sx advantages the same for ME students?

Yes.

>Money isn't an issue.

As an engineering student, I wouldn't buy any other kind of
calculator.

>>Is RPN that hard to get used to?

No.
                                      --clark
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From: miket@voder.nsc.com (Mike Tuason)
Subject: HEY HP95LX USERS!
Keywords: Where can I get one of those funky serial plugs??!!
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:51:21 GMT

	A friend of mine just won one of these toys and he doesn't
	want to spend the money on a serial connector kit from HP.

	I'm sure someone out there has hacked their own...

	Where did you get the connector?


thank you in advance,

Michael
From: martin.briscoe@almac.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: psion 3 software vers
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:01:04 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: ALMAC BBS Ltd

MM4running version 1.77F/ENG. I am convinced that the original system was
  4running 1.80F/ENG - can someone confirm that 1.80F does *exist* before I
  4tackle Psion.

I bought my Psion 3 a month or so ago, can confirm that it is 
1.80F/ENG.

I bought mine from a "local" computer shop, colleague at work bought 
his from RadioSpares and certainly the software for linking to the PC 
was much older than the copy that I got with mine.

               Martin
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From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: What about if the HP with a card has been dropped?
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:28:52 GMT

	Thank everyone who replied my HP/TI's reliablity message.  After
read them, I got this impression that HP is really a "Tank" (perhaps
a derivative of M1A1 Abram?  :)  I just wish that TI does pay a little
attention on their product's quality, I don't want see my TI-85 
destingrated when I drop it on the 5th time.  
	Anyway, just one question came in to my mind:  What about
if the HP48SX has it's RAM/Program card plugged in?  I have never
seen a HP48SX before, and don't know if the end of the card sticks
out once it's plugged in.  Since those cards couldn't be very
thick, would they have a chance to be broken if the HP landed
with the card end touching the ground first?
	Thanks again!
						Ming
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Which calculator has a long life? TI or HP?
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 03:10:58 GMT

Well, some years ago (??1981), my TI-59 learnt to fly -
about 30 metres at 60 kmh as a passerby (librarian) rushed
past and pulled the plug-pack from the socket, as well as
catapulting the `59 from the table.... The calculator
crashed into the edge of the metal shelving (Murpy's Law) at
above eye-level and fell to the carpeted floor. I can still
run the slow-motion replay in my mind -- frightening.

It still worked -- though it did have some obscene lanuguage
in the display. I powered it off, back on, and ran the ROM
diagnostics. AOK! What a relief. Exam the next day (why else
would I be studying :-)?) and the financial shock to a poor
student would have been enough to cause a nervous breakdown
at the time.

Oh, there was a new (small) dent in the edge of the case.

BTW: I went to the student bookshop and bought a TI-25 as a
backup calculator that very same week, and it's still on the
first set of batteries.
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