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From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:15:03 GMT
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics

In article <1992Nov6.085032.11464@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|ANAND (subraman@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote:

   ...

|: born in Malaysia. I'm the second generation who was born in Malaysia. But,
|: we are still not considered as the first clas citizen. This applies to any
|: Chinese too. Maybe this explains why a lot of Chinese migrates to different
|
|There are also a lot of Mexicans in USA. By your explanation these mexicans
|must have been second class citizens in their country.


No, Othman, you are wrong again. Those Mexicans can still go to University
if they have done well enough. Those Chinese cannot gain entry to univs in 
Malaysia unless they are real genius, any Malays can be admitted to the 
universities in Malaysia eventhough a lot of Chinese Malaysians have 
done better than them. You see, whether or not you are admitted into 
a university in Malaysia depends a lot on your skin colour. The Mexicans 
don't have that problem.   

   ...

|
|: special priveledges for the bumis. Well, how many our you think that we don't
|: work hard for our country's growth and don't deserve the same priveledges?
|: Is this situation will be carried on forever?
|	Just because you work so hard does not mean that you automatically
|deserve to get special help such as scholarship. In fact, the more successful
|you are the less chance for you to get much privileges. In fact you have to
|pay more taxes.
|	This naieve stance which you honestly point out is the reason why
|there is still no real racial harmony in Malaysia.
|
|By your reasoning:
|
|i)work hard, must deserve special privileges(help),
|ii) no special privileges, mean second class citizens
|

He said the _same_ priviledges NOT _special_ priviledges
The Blacks in South Africa are 2nd class citizen because they don't
have the same priviledges as whites.

|By your explanation, the blacks and red indians in USA are the first class
|citizens by virtue of getting special privileges and help.
|	The whites, by having no special privileges are the 2nd class citizens,
|even though they are much richer than the other races.

University entrance in the States still work on the basis of merit, not race,
as are a lot of other things. Your skin color is still a secondary factor.
In Malaysia, your skin color is more important than other things that you do.
It is the main factor that decides whether you do get admitted into a University
or not.


--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khaw@eagle.sangamon.edu (Thiam Khaw)
Subject: Re: Looking for a friend in USM, Penang,Malaysia
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:17:05 GMT

WANG YUN YENG (yyw@engr.uark.edu) wrote:
> I would like to know how easy is it for students in Universiti Sains Malaysia, 
> Penang to have access to e-mail. I would like to communicate with a friend in
> USM, Penang through e-mail. Anyone who could help me reach her please drop me a line. I would appreciate it very much.
>  
> 
> A
> A
> A
> 
> 

  Yun Yeng,
      I am trying to find a frienf in USM too. I suggset you try sending e-mail to the system administrator there and may he can help you. I have tried it and still waiting for his reply.

      the e-mail address:  root@cs.usm.my

		Tried it.

		Selamat Malam
		   

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: MY: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian.
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:23:30 GMT

In article <IeyLXjq00WB0IVPl8W@andrew.cmu.edu>, Afizal Mustapa <am4z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> YESS!!!
> A new step towards racial harmony in Malaysia. The motto "Bangsa Tegas
> Negara Teguh" will never be accomplished if we can't put aside our
> differences and stand side by side. 
> 
> Afizal Mustapa,
> Carnegie Mellon University,
> Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

  I'm can see that you're not even bothered to think at all about this issue.
I'm not trying to create a racial tension here or any type of fight. Believe
it or not everyone in this group will agree that we are standing for "Bangsa
Tegas Negara Teguh" motto. But one must feel full happy when try to accomplish
anything. What is the point of doing something just for the sake of it? I can
go around and say million times "Bersatu Teguh Bercerai Roboh" but what if 
you feel discriminated and disqualified not because you are not qualified but
just because of the discrimination which is institutionalized in our country?
You prefer people to pretend as if they are happy when actually they are not?
You can't call that a healthy progress because for some extend there is going
to be a hateness feeling against the system in everyone.
How can you put aside our differences and stand side by side when the system
itself pointing out our differences in our daily life?

Geeva Subramaniam.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: c60a-sv@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Kwang-Ming Ng)
Subject: Discrimination??!?
Summary: Outright discrimination......
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:47:46 GMT

Well...so, I've read through some of the opinions about the Malaysian
Indian, Chinese, and Malay posting...very interesting....

This is a matter of personal opinion...well, heck with ISA(Internal
Security Act-lah!!). The issues that regard special privileges for
the bumis/malays has always been regarded by me as an act of 
suppression of the other races...Heck! There are so many poor and
Unfortunate indians and chinese in M'sia too...but do they get these
'special' privy...Nooo, nope, zip, nada....Ok, Ok...lets see...
When the "Rodney King-Riots" broke out in the States...here in Berkeley
and San Francisco, it wasn't as bad as LA...was the result of years of
racial supression...hmm, wonder how would it be like if this tension
broke out in M'sia...

I wonder what did Tunku did to deserve his column in "The Star" to be
removed..oh, it was "bought" (the paper) by "The New Straits Times"
(partly-or-wholly-owned-by-Barisan..hey, I'm still a minor wouldn't
know all the details)......

How about housing....If this is not outright discrimination, I wonder
what is??....Don't certain races get 5-10% off the price and special
interest rates for loans...? Also, how bout the stocks and shares that 
certain race gets to purchase??...Ever wondered about those recent
TV games..why is it that most of the top prizes are swept by a 
certain race...(not pointing fingers here...)

So...now..are all the races in M'sia treated equally?...
Think bout it....
From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:28:54 GMT

mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:

{  intro on post deleted.. this post is about a student election
  at NUS......Bin Ong}..

>According to the reported, many of the students do not even
>know who their new Union president is. One answered, "Who cares" and
>another said, "Oh no, must be somebody who has nothing better to do"


>Is  such form a apathy unique to NUS?

>Is it a result of  "kiasuism"?


>Or perhaps there is no benefit to be derived from such 
>activities!

>Or is it the restrictive environment of Singapore?


>Level-headed discussion most welcome.

>_Mann

More likely a self-fulfilling prophecy of students that they do not        
perceive any change coming about from such activities. Further, the
student union in NUS (and predecessors) have been suppressed for so
long, and the fear of the ISD knocking on their doors, etc. For
example, the various unions (political, govt, etc) are subject to
scrutiny, and certainly censorship by both the university administration
and government. Singaporeans, especially college-age ones aiming for  
yuppie-dom, certainly will hang on to the pragmatism learnt early,
and not do anything to tarnish their future.

Bin Ong
Univ of Illinois
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (Albert Yu             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all Malasian Singapore basher
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:03:22 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I hope everyone can discontinue your rebut, PLEASE!!!
Can't you people stop this and post something more meaningful???
Let this be the last... thanks.

Al...
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From: on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mentor program
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:22:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov9.212203.17280
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <74218@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR) writes:

        [stuff deleted]

>	I think if malaysian colleges could have such program, it would
>	be awsome.  At least, those high school leavers wont be like me.
>	I remember when I was filling up those forms to get into local
>	colleges, I know what I want to be but I have no clue what kinda
>	stuff that I'll be dealing with.  You know, having coming from
>	an ordinary family with zero exposure to those high-tech careers,
>	I think it would be an advantage for students to see what it's
>	like before they jump into a particular field.
>
>	Anyways, constuctive comments are welcome otherwise, save your
>	breath.
>
>	
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>**  E.A. Jaafar, Atlanta.  I guess we just stick to BUZZ-ketball!!!          ***
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

I completely agree with you!  I think that one of the weakest aspect
of our education system is the lack of counseling in our schools.
In my school, the career-guidance counselor was in name only; I can't think
of a single time when he did anything.  So, as a result, students
chose their field of studies/future profession based on their "stream"
(science, arts, social science) and their SPM/STPM results.  As a general
rule of thumb, excellent science students became doctors, the lesser ones
engineers, etc.  Also, once you have chosen your "stream" in Form 4, your
choice of profession becomes very limited.  For instance, arts students
can never become involved in the sciences at tertiary level - usually
their only choices are accounting, law, etc.

When I was 16, I had no idea of what I wanted to become.  The only reason
I chose the science "stream" was because of the "advice" that everyone
gave me.  The only reason why I chose to go into "engineering" was because
of the "advice" that everyone gave me.  Now, after a year plus in college,
I've finally figured out what I want to do, and guess what, it's not
engineering.  Alas, it's too late to change.. c'est la vie.

I guess the point that I'm trying to reach at is that students in Malaysia
need to be more exposed to the various career options available.  And
they should not have to decide on their careers while at such a young
age.  

Just my 2 cents... [rambling off]


-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Ahmad Z. Che On                |        'I have the simplest of tastes...  
Harvard College '95            |         I am always satisfied with the best' 
on@husc.harvard.edu            |                                    Oscar Wilde
From: durian28@ecst.csuchico.edu (dl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Any ftp site for Asean food recipes (especially M'sian)
Keywords: food, recipe, hungry
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:33:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: charnel.1dpgsbINNrib
Distribution: world
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: jowels.ecst.csuchico.edu

I am very ... very interested in getting some Asean food recipes.
If there are none, please email me any Asean food recipes, especially
Malaysian food.  Thanks in advance.
From: looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:29:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov8.182827.2492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>In article <KYTAN.92Nov6105334@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov05.101227.29347@bnr.uk> bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:
>>
>>   Yes, Zam was unruly but at least he was keen to build some form
>>					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   of harmony not just stirring things up.
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Madam, surely you jest?  As someone who had the opportunity to verbally spar
>>with the abovementioned person, I can tell you that your former comment is an
>>understatement and the latter is pure optimism!!!  And, yes, I've been around
>>for some time on this forum, too!
>
>
>Could not agree more with KY Tan.  How could someone who openly 
>admit that he hated Chinese and have a racist .sig file in all
>his post be for racial harmony!!!!.  He is one level above Pak
>Othman in his racist remarks. IMHO, Pak Othman look pale in comparison.
>
>Perhaps W. Looi can  reproduce some of Zam's "dirt"  from his archive?
>
>-Mann

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) .....

I will when the time and place is right! Btw, I'm gonna make hardcopies
of some of his notorious remarks and laminate them to guard against
my hard disk failure.

Enuf said, too.

-looi
From: on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:33:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov11.123349.17349
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov11.020803.50320@ssf-corp.dhl.com> looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi) writes:

>I, on the other hand, have worked my way up to finish up my master
>degree and got myself a high-paying job, and am well respected in
>my group who are predominantly whites. 

>Systems Arch., DHL Airways, Inc., 333 Twin Dolphin Dr, Redwood City, CA 94065
>INET: looi@sysarch.attmail.com  UUNET: uunet!sysarch!looi
>VOICE: (415) 802-4584	FAX: (415) 593-1689
>
Let me get this straight, being respected by a group who are predominantly
white is the key to success?  Hmmm...


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______________________________________________________________________________
Ahmad Z. Che On                |        'I have the simplest of tastes...  
Harvard College '95            |         I am always satisfied with the best' 
on@husc.harvard.edu            |                                    Oscar Wilde 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: PHSTUD19@nyx.uni-konstanz.de (Jessie Hegermann)
Subject: Hong Kong shopping hours
Organization: University of Konstanz, Germany
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:01:32 GMT

Hi there,

I'd like to know the shopping hours incl. days in Hong Kong.
(How about Chinese New Year there?, how long are they closed?)

Bye
Jessie


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: 35002_3024@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Calling Malaysian LIS students
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:30:55 GMT

Hi...I'm a Malaysian student looking for other Malaysian students
studying LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE. I would like to hear from
you. You can reach me on INTERNET at 35002_3024@uwovax.uwo.ca. Thanx!
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Employment/University Service
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:22:41 GMT


Let me post what the ASPIRE  people have to say.  The problem is 
the list is maintained by a person on a differnet site:


****** Start ******
The ASPIRE-L listserve will be a moderated forum with posting automatically
beeing sent to subscribers. 


	To: listserv@iubvm
	Subject: Subscribe
	Message: SUB ASPIRE-L your name

The new newsletter have been mailed to your school.  Try to located them and
help us get them distributed to ASEAN students.  Thanks


			Jack Brewer
			Midwest Regional Center
			Ball State University


******* end ***** 

The above is a bitnet address. From the info I have, you may also try
aspire-l@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu

Hope this helps.



-Mann
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:30:55 EST
From: <NXN101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: racial harmony- Yasmin
 <1992Nov11.020803.50320@ssf-corp.dhl.com>

In article <1992Nov11.020803.50320@ssf-corp.dhl.com>, looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan
Looi) says:


From the same person who utterd "Melayu boleh pakai sarong, balik kampong
or pergi ke Mekah" and who has no shame whatsoever about his rascist
disgusting remarks about Malays in Malaysia.  A hypocriet will always be a
hypocrite.  And, you are one of them.   Don't blame me for eveything
merely because I said "Tidak akan hilnag Melayu di dunia".  Every proud
Malay will say that wherever he/she goes.  No racial intention, just a motto
from Pahlawan Melayu, Hang Tuah.

>From the very same person who uttered "Tak kan hilang Melayu di dunia 'ni..."
>and who glorified Islam's past and proposed Islam as the solution to NEP, and
>subsequently ignited the 1st flame war about 3 years ago when NEP was first
>discussed in s.c.asean, he wrote:

>No, I can't remember. Why don't you help me refresh my memory by posting
>the so called "racial slurs" so that we can get things straighten out?
>If you can't even provide any proof, you're a lier who just wanted to
>grasp every opportunity to get even with me.

If the staement "Melayu boleh kampong...." is not a racial slur, then what
is it? A poem.  Come on, admit it, you are rascist and don't give the flying
dildo about whats happening in Malaysia.  You are right dude, don't come back
home, Malaysia doesn't want you.

>Look, what have changed after 3 years? Still a parasite, craving
>for government money (or rather Malaysian taxpayers' money) for
>your education. Still looking for opportunity to get even with me?

I don't use the governemnt money to study over here.   And, I am not trying
to get even with you.  What I was trying to point out is that you are not
a good Chinese as you are trying to portray in this group.  My purpose is
to tell the new readers in this group about your sick attitude.

It is a hypocrite like you that cause the racial problems in Malaysia to
worsen.  You don't give the shit about Malaysia cos' you have a good job
life over here.  Why don't you just take a rest ok.

>-looi
>
>p/s Just out of curiosity... if you're so proud of your race and
>    religion, why were you making a statement sometime back that
>    you wanted to marry outside of your race? Are you shame of
>    your own kind? Just curious...

It is a matter of taste.  No racial intention.  I am proud to be a Malay.
The reason I want to marry a non-malay is just that I want to expand my
family tree progressively.  There is nothing wrong to start one..right?
Just a long term planning.....

I am not ashamed of my kind, rather I am ashamed of you, an old Chinese
man in SF who claimed to be a Malaysian, but never lived up to the standard
as a Malaysian.  Take a walk ...will you?


            "Tidak akan hilang Melayu di dunia...."

-azlan nordin-
  Penn State
From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng)
Subject: Re: SGP: NUS students an apathetic lot
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:41:44 GMT

iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
: 
: Is NUS students an apatheic lot? May be, but you shouldn't judge it
: from the number of students taking part in the student union
: activities. 

Yes! Took the words out of my mouth. :).

jin meng
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Anwar Ibrahim's Qualifications
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:40:39 GMT

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:


>Due to a lot of ignorance in the qualification of Anwar Ibrahim, our current
>Finance MInister I like to give a brief historical explaination expecially to
>the ignorant chinese.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I am not going to reason with this SCUM of the Malay Society.
    I know it is difficult to ignore IT, the way IT shits around
    make the whole network stinks. But we can come with oxygen masks.

    Fortunately not many Malays are like that. :). This SCUM, not
    only unwanted by ITS own State, but by Malaysia too. Malaysians
    should count themselves luckly.  This SCUM somehow drifted across
    the Causeway & got caught by NTU, :). I am really concerned 
    about the reputation of NTU, with a SCUM like that in there.
    NTU please explain ITS role there before everybody has a wrong
    opinion of NTU.


>He got his first class honours in Malay Studies, from University Malaya,K.L.,
>while still in prison.            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hee..Hee...Heeeeeeeeee...Heee....Heee :) :) :)

In prison, what else can one do ? Study himself-Malay Studies.  :) :)

[The rest of the shits of the SCUM cleaned.]




Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Fidonet to HK
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth  Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:45:41 GMT

Looking for telephone numbers and fidonet node numbers of HK BBS's for a friend

Thanks
Rod
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