HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ae313406@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Vance Kochenderfer)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Geronimo!
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:47:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40


  Sorry to inject some facts into this newsgroup (AFU motto), but here's
the calculation:

Symbols:
    D=Drag force on body           CD=Coefficient of drag=D/(.5*d*V^2*S)
    W=Weight of body               l=length of body
    d=density of air=1.23kg/cu.m. at sea level
    dl=density of lead=14000kg/cu.m. just about anywhere
    S=characteristic area of body
    V=speed of body                r = radius of body
    Vol=Volume of body

  The easy way to solve this problem is to take a streamlined body falling
at the speed of sound, and then calculate the drag force on the body.
If the weight of the body is greater than the drag, the body is acclerating
and thus has not reached terminal velocity.  Thus the ratio D/W is >1.
             D/W = CD*.5*d*V^2*S/(dl*Vol)
  The characteristic area for a body of revolution (bullet shaped) is the
cross sectional area, or simply pi*r^2. The volume of the body will be
slightly less than a cylinder of the same length and radius, let's say
1/2 of that volume, just to be safe.  So, Vol=.5*pi*l*r^2 .  Notice that
the D/W equation contains the term S/Vol.  This reduces to 1/(.5*l).
Substituting the constants into this equation and the S/Vol term, we
get
             D/W = 10.16*CD/l
  I had trouble finding a specific value for CD at Mach 1.  I found
values from 0.12 to 1.75.  I'll use 2, just to be safe.  So, if D/W=1,
then l=20.31m, which is well within the realm of possibility.  The body
described has a l:r ratio of about 5:1, so it has a radius of about 4m.

  Yes, a shock wave does form at the front of the body, but this does
not prevent the body from exceeding Mach 1.

ObResponseToDifferentThread:  Whoever said that the Luminous Dial
Company was responsible for the radium poisoning is right.

ObCommonlyMisspelledWord: It's withdrawal, dammit! Not withdrawl!
Withdrawl is the way Southerners speak...

Vance "and dat's da troof" Kochenderfer
Department of Aerospace and Ocean Engineering !
Virginia Tech           |'You want to know how to get ahold of Mrs. Parks? I
ae313406@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu| don't know, she's awfully ticklish'  -Groucho Marx
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Subject: Re: FCC Call letters
Reply-To: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:03:13 GMT


In a previous article, mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) says:

>>Are there any other 3-letter stations out there?
>>
>WRC in Washington, DC.  I've forgotten what their radio frequency is,
>but it's also TV channel 4.

980 AM, but I think if you listen for a legal station ID (say, at the
top of the hour), you'll find it's WWRC.

-- 

           Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu -- 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: axd7104@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Subject: Re: Flip-Tops for Kidney Dialysis UL (?)
Organization: New York University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:46:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.213638.2069@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey) writes:
> Every now and then, I see appeals from someone collecting
> flip-tops from soda cans as a way to fund someone's dialysis
> treatment.  This sounds like an urban legend to me,
> since it is my understanding that the federal government
> funds dialysis and kidney transplants, as part of medicare/medicaid.

This is arguably the biggest UL of all time.  And no, it's not true. Or,
at least, it USED to not be true.  I recently read somewhere in an article
(written by Brunvand himself, I believe) that the rumor got so out of 
hand in one area that a charity actually decided to set up just such a
program.  Now you collect the tops, turn them in, and the charity sells
them for scrap and gives the $ to some medical facility, a local hospital
I think.  Which leads to the question, "Why just collect the tabs when
a) these days they're much more annoying to remove, and b) the whole
can is worth more?"  The answer: the local people LIKED doing it; it
became a hobby for some people.  These people need some USENET links
immediately, so they can waste their times in a more amusing fashion.
:-) 
-- 
Aaron Dickey                      Bitnet: axd7104@nyuacf
New York University             Internet: axd7104@ACFcluster.nyu.edu

Al Roker Is God.
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:12322 alt.folklore.science:1442
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Iron in blood setting off metal detectors
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:00:08 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Followup-To: alt.folklore.science
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie


hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) wrote:
> chris@sleepy.UUCP (Chris Mills) writes:
>> A friend of mine says he read somewhere that there are people that
>> accumulate iron in their bodies to the extent that they set off metal
>> detectors in airports.  Anyone hear this?  Is it an U.L.?  Is it true???
> It's true... a cousin of mine accumulated a steel plate in his skull, as well
> as several pins in his arms after a car crash, and now sets off metal 
> detectors.

Two issues here.

Some people do accumulate iron, being unable to excrete it.  This is a
painful and life-threatening condition, and they need regular treatment
with chelating agents.  But - the iron is in the form of isolated atoms
bound to proteins, and in this form it is not the sort of thing a metal
detector will react to.

I know someone with a large steel rod in her spine, too.  But to her
disappointment, she *doesn't* set off metal detectors.  I can think of two
reasons for this.  (1) Some metal detectors only pick up metal which is
asymmetrically distributed in the loop, and a lumbar spinal rod would be
about as central as you can get.  (2) The rod is made of stainless steel,
which is antiferromagnetic; perhaps detectors have problems with such
materials?

Her previous rod must have been made of something different: she used to be
able to attach notes to her back with fridge magnets but she can't do that
any more.

[ followups to alt.folklore.science ]

-- 
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From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Such a deal!
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:57:52 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: mikkelson@breakr.enet.dec.com (snopes)

In article <1992Apr4.063818.18824@PA.dec.com>, mikkelson@breakr (snopes) writes:
>>The correct answer (which Marilyn did make) is to switch, assuming that
>>Monty *always* opens the door with the goat.

>This canard was pretty thoroughly covered in the Winter 1992 issue of
>_Skeptical Enquirer_.  I have to agree with the reader who stated
>that "The switch strategy does not lead to any advantage whatsoever,
>despite vos Savant's mumbo-jumbo of an explanation."

So what?  Some readers of SE and afu are stupid.  This is news?

The smart strategy is to switch.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:12160 sci.skeptic:8062
From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment (?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:59:47 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.196
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <1992Apr11.011443.5236@nmt.edu>, houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) writes...
> 
>	As I told the good DOCTOR long ago,  the PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT was
>a SUCCESFUL TEST of EINSTEIN'S unified FIELD equations.  All matter and energy
>are all manifestations of a COSMOLOGICAL influence mediated through the

WHAT is THIS guy TALKING about?  DOES anybody CARE?  

-ScOtT
From: scm@harvee.UUCP (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Subject: Re: <None>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:21:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18

somebody writes: 
> > i mention liking a good reindeer stew, i often get the response of "You're
> > eating RUDOLPH!!!" from people who are far too old for these sorts of
> > antics.
	i once read, in mother earth news, a collection of venison recipes.
the author's family always had venison stew on christmas eve, and always
put a marischino cherry in the pot to represent rudolph's nose.
--
-- little gator aka S. Mudgett     email: scm@harvee.uucp
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: tjw@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Free magazine from subsription services. NOT!
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:13:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr15.175006.6617@tellab5.tellabs.com>, rgarg@tellabs.com (Rajesh Garg) writes:

> This doesn't belong in this notesgroup & should not be posted.

I was told we wouldn't have to buy any magazines in this newsgroup.

Terry "No news is BAD news -- fix the newsserver TERRY!" Wood


PS: Does anyone ever REALLY get in trouble for posting "in appropriate"
material to newsgroups.  Anyone ever executed for it? (Say in Egypt?)
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Pizza, with sausage on the side
Summary: $1.49 per extra topping
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22566
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

>Apparently, a lot of bored middle-aged housewives like to order a little
>pizza to be delivered, hoping it comes with a hunky college student for
>a delivery man....

"I got a part-time job/At my uncle's carpet store,
Laying tackless stripping/And housewives by the score..."
                        --Warren Zevon, "Mr. Bad Example"

As I recall from earlier research, "The Sensuous Woman" devoted 
an entire chapter to similar ruses for meeting the hairier sex.  
That was back in the Seventies when men were men, women were newly 
liberated, and microbes responded to antibiotics.  The author seemed 
to consider anything male between puberty to senility as fair game.

She also noted that "reporters have erratic schedules and often
erotic personalities," which I took as a hopeful sign in my early
career explorations, but the only people who ever called me at
odd hours just wanted to tell me that their business rival on the
City Council was a godless communist.  But I suppose that, by the
standards of job-hunting advice obtained from a sex manual, I 
could have done worse.

Have HIV, chlamydia, herpes, resistant gonorrhea, and the New
Morality changed things?  Maybe, but "Harper's Index" recently 
reported that a small but significant percentage of pizza 
deliveries are accepted by naked customers.  One may interpret
this either as innocent joy in the aesthetic values of the
human body or as a hint to the pizza boy; who's to say?

--Joe "Hold the anchovies" Chew
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: other fun mistranslations..
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:52:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: faust.STEINAR.92Apr9195233
	<1992Apr08.070036.158288@zeus.calpoly.edu>
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

rrauenza@PloySlo.CalPoly.EDU (Rich) writes:
>Several years ago I went to Neuss, Germany with some classmates as part
>of a foreign exchange program.  (It was a German class).  Some students
>decided to buy some presents at the airport before we left on our trip,
>and one particular student bought a small package of candy and other
>foods.  (He was the big spender of the group...)
>
>When he happily presented this present to his German family he'd be
>staying with, he didn't understand their initial reaction...  They
>didn't seem very grateful for the present.
>
>Why?  Well, the package had in large letters across the top, "Gift
>Pack".  'Gift' means poison.  I guess he shoulda studied his vocab
>more....

It gets even weirder in Norwegian.  Depending on the part of speech, 
"gift" means "poison" and "married".  Don't ask.

And then there's the story about a Norwegian who had gone to America
writing back home that the barn had burned down, but he wasn't too
worried.  ("Barn" means "child" in Norwegian.... you fill in the rest...)

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: tjw@vm2.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Jamaican Thieves Legend
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:34:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <65545@apple.Apple.COM>, kevin_mcentee@taligent.com (Kevin McEntee) writes:

> including the toothbrushes.  When they got home and got the film developed there
> was a picture of a large Jamaican man, with no pants on, bent over with a
> toothbrush sticking out his....  Well lets just say that you would be pretty
> darn sorry if that was your toothbrush!

Those Jamacian's really love a good toothbrush.  It seems to be the national
past-time.  I think I'll stick to baseball though.

> 
> This really smacked of a legend to me.  Why didn't the thieves take the
> camera? 

You can't develop film in JA?  Yea, that's the ticket!

> Why would they photograph themselves?  

All Jamacians look alike?

>Anyway, has anyone heard this or a
> variation of it?  I would love to tell the person who told it to me, who
> supposedly heard it second hand, that his friends were pulling his leg.

Well, not EXACTLY his leg.  More like his toothbrush.

Yea, it's an UL.  Ask us about the Jamacian "don't open this package until
you get home" UL.  And why is it always JAMACIA?  It's a great country.
The people are very friendly and will talk to you for HOURS about politics
it you get them started.

Terry "No Mon, it says `Welcome to jamacia have a nice daY' not WendY" Wood

Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:11727 misc.kids:12515
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 10:30:25 MST
From: <ICLNM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walla walla bing bang (was Re: Worm song?)
 <92097.112555ICLNM@ASUACAD.BITNET> <1992Apr7.074220.15280@amd.com>

In article <1992Apr7.074220.15280@amd.com>, karen@brahms.amd.com (Karen Black)
says:
>
>Middle of the Road)" and "Tennesee Birdwalk".  Since silly songs go all
>the way back to "Lamsie Doats" (30's?) and beyond ("Clementine"), I
>doubt that it's a 60's phenomenon.
>
Marezy doats, not lamsie doats.  Little lamsey divie.
As long as were at it the top song of 1939 was "Three Little Fishes".
We are easily amused, aren't we?
Loyd Means
Phoenix AZ
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Iron in blood setting off metal detectors
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.023602.8348@sleepy.UUCP> chris@sleepy.UUCP (Chris Mills) writes:
>
>A friend of mine says he read somewhere that there are people that accumulate
>iron in their bodies to the extent that they set off metal detectors in
>airports.  Anyone hear this?  Is it an U.L.?  Is it true???

It's true... a cousin of mine accumulated a steel plate in his skull, as well
as several pins in his arms after a car crash, and now sets off metal 
detectors.

-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                               Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
From: tjc50@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: FCC Call letters
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:16:23 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr7.064913.25151@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:
>> Other countries got different initial letters, Canadian broadcast
>> stations got C ...
>
>Actually only a subset of C; something like CB, CF, CH, CI, CJ, CK.
>For instance, the Canadian broadcast stations listed in the Toronto -
>Lake Ontario edition of the Canadian version of TV Guide are:
>
>	CBLFT* CBLT CFMT CFTO CHCH CHEX CICA* CIII* CITY CKCO CKVR
>
>(*TV Guide doesn't actually list these three by call letters, but these
> are the last call letters I remember seeing for them.)

CF-CK and CY-CZ.  According to my info, Chile should have CB, so CBLT
shouldn't be a valid Canadian call sign.  But the treaty may have been
subsequently amended, and some or all call signs in that range reassigned
to Canada.
-- 
The above is my thoughts, not Amdahl's;   |  Terry Carroll  408/992-2152
The above is not legal advice;            |  Senior Computer Architect
All models over 18 years of age;          |  Amdahl Corporation
Contents sold by weight, not by volume;   |  tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
Your mileage may vary.                    |  tjc50@amail.amdahl.com
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From: force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com!baylor
Subject: Re: Cable TV cheater spotters (was Re: FCC Call letters)
Reply-To: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:55:24 GMT

In article <X121iB3w164w@satori.equinox.gen.nz>, geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan) writes:
>s082@brems.ii.uib.no (Ketil Malde) writes:
>
>> And while we're at it, I always had this dream of jamming the police
>> 'radars' to show, say 300km/h while you're driving along at 30 :-)
>> Could this be done?
>> 
>> (I assume the radars work by emmitting sound, and measuring the frequency
>> it is returned with, so you'd probably need a source of high volume, high
>> frequency sound...would this work?)
>
>Substitute microwaves for sound and you might get somewhere. *My* dream is
>driving along at 300 and having the radar show 30, but never mind.
>
>| Geoff - Sysop Equinox (equinox.gen.nz) +64 (3) 3854406 (4 Lines)
>| Email:  geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz
>|         "If I post something lucid, is that satorial eloquence?"
Ya'll DID know that using active jammers on Police radars is very, very 
illegal, didn't you. (Otherwise such devices would long since be on the
market, since the technology exists. I saw an article in an electronics
magazine about a guy who'd made some jammers anyway.)
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Wanted: Favorite College/Dorm Practical Jokes
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:10:18 GMT
Organization: Acme Lock Pick Corp.

In article <72581@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.003246.4480@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac (bill nelson) writes:
>
>>Sorry - doesn't wash. And yes, I am a certified master locksmith - among my
>>many other dubious talents.
>
>Certified master locksmith, yes.  Certified master puzzle solver, no.

I once had a locksmith try to get into the trunk of my car (don't ask
me how I locked my keys in the trunk).  He attempted to make a new key
by inserting a blank key into the lock, twisting it, noticing where
the blank was scratched or dented by the twisting against the lock
mechanism, filing those sections down and then repeating the process.
After a half-hour of his trying this, and not getting anywhere, I decided to 
bust one of the car stereos speakers and get into the trunk that way.
Borrowing a telescoping tool with a magnet on the end, I managed to
snare the keys and get them out.

When I looked at the blank he was using it was obvious to me why it
didn't work - I didn't tell him though.  The blank was for a 'valet'
key - the tip was missing the necessary metal to allow it to open
either the trunk or the glove box.  He could have filed at it for the
rest of his life and it never would have opened the trunk!  What a
maroon! 

----
Dave "I've cut it four times and it's still to short" Manley

ObUL: The body of Huey Long is contained in a statue standing
      in a public place. (True according to recent Grab Bag column)

ObQuote: "Bill Clinton has gone beyond respectable pandering."
                                  - Dan Quayle's chief of staff

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From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: FCC Call letters
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:36:07 GMT

moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:

: Considering how things have worked out, they would have done well to
: reassign Channels 2-13 while they were at it, thus sparing the
: nation such horrors as Green Acres ...

Green Acres is _great_ comedy!!  Remeber:  It's not dopey, It's surreal!

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Why don't you ever
Rosemount Inc.                                |enter and CONTESTS, Marvin??
                                              |Don't you know your own
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |ZIPCODE?
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim McDonough)
Subject: Re: MIT's "Infinite Corridor"
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:35:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.005351.8093@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.211713.14988@sdd.hp.com> tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim McDonough) writes:
>>I'm also quite sure the long corridor in the IBM Rochester Plant is longer than
>>a quarter mile.  It goes all the way from the Lab through Manufacturing, and
>>then out to the wherehouses.  
>
>Damn, IBM has wherehouses?!?  I thought the things were immortal!  I hope
>they have some sort of health procedure to keep people from getting
>venerable diseases.

Opps!!  That should be warehouses!

                          -Tim
-- 
Hewlett Packard - SPR                                  Timothy M. McDonough
16399 W. Bernardo Drive                                1350 N. Esc. Blvd. #40
San Diego, CA 92127            tmm@sdd.hp.com          Escondido, CA 92026-2520
(619) 592-8657              uunet!sdd.hp.com!tmm       (619) 489-7863
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: ppoblete@pincoya.dcc.uchile.cl (Patricio Poblete)
Subject: Re: Fax paper curled up (was: Re: Not my house!!!!)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 17:06:45 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion

In article <1992Apr6.051255.28120@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
|> In article <3APR199204295370@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> ae313406@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Vance Kochenderfer) writes:
|> >
|> >ObMildlyAmusingStory: A woman who works in my brother-in-law's office
|> >thought that when you send a fax, the paper gets rolled up into a
|> >little tube and is sent down the line.  That's why when you receive
|> >it, it's always curled up..  Of course, you have to be sure there's
|> >no dust in the line....
|> 
|> There's a book called "When Old Technologies were New" about people's early
|> reactions to the telegraph, the telephone, etc.  [...]

A few years ago, my wife was workins as a secretary for the head manager
of an American bank in Chile. The bank was conducting secret negotiations
with another important bank. One day, she received from the other bank a
fax of a certain very sensitive document, followed by a call from the
secretary there, telling her that, because the document was confidential,
her boss requested that they should return the document after reading it...
by faxing it back!

My wife tried to argue with them, but they were firm. So she faxed it back.

                        __			ppoblete@dcc.uchile.CL
  _   _   _   /   / _   / _			Patricio Poblete
 /_) /_) (_) /_) / (-' / (-'			Dept. of Computer Science
/   / 						University of Chile