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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: WOOF GODS STRIKES AGAIN! (was Re: WSU 42 UW 23)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:18:47 GMT

In article <26890027@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat) writes:
>/ hpcc01:rec.sport.football.college / chyang@westquad.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) /  1:02 pm  Nov 22, 1992 /
>
>Chung Yang writes:
>
>> > >	I finally figured it out.  Don James must be Santa Clause!  He 
>> > >successfully spearheaded the campaign, "Help out your PAC-10 neighbor to
>> > >a bowl bid" by letting the Huskies play their worse game in nearly three
>
>Jim from WSU replies:
>
>> > Hey, jack, WSU earned it.  I'll grant you that on the basis of raw
>> > talents UW should be 7 point favorites.  But WSU has a lot of talent

Well, just to be accurate, it was Dave who replied with the above comment.
I did plenty of replying to Chung's comments in another post. :-)


>To Dave from U of A, and Jim from WSU and all the rest out there
>who are probably now thinking that UW fans are all whiners who can't
>accept when the Huskies lose, I apologize.  We're not all like
>that.

Don't worry, we know that this attitude isn't held by all Husky fans.
I for one try to pay attention to who is posting, not just what is posted,
so as not to criticize all fans for the comments of a few.  For example,
you shouldn't be held responsible for wessir's (bill the cat's) comments
about Pullman, WSU academics, etc.  One jerk does not a bad school make.

And I enjoy discussion from all fans, even if you are a Husky. :-)

Jim
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks..
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:04:43 GMT
	<ASH.92Nov20082524@ulysses.mr.ams.com>
	<1992Nov20.164444.9479@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1992Nov20.164444.9479@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West) writes:


   >>-Alan Harder
   >> American Mathematical SOciety
   >> Michigan Fan
   >> Drinker of Anchor Steam 
   >>

   >Just what I want is respect for someone who feels the need to tell us
   >he is in the "American Mathematical Society" and drinks "Anchor Steam"
   >beer. Your CRAZY!

1. I am not "in" the American Mathematical Society, I work FOR the
   American Mathematical Society.  Compare the "Organization:" line.

2. I know you don't have respect "for" me, because I'm a Michigan fan.
   Or perhaps you meant to say respect "from"?  Take it from me,
   name-calling the "other" team will get you nothing but flames.
   That's why I mentioned it.  I was speaking from personal, recent
   experience.  If you don't care about my respect, think of all the
   other r.s.f.c readers out there.

3. You're right, I AM crazy.  Bwahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah!


-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 
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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:15:37 GMT

jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>  According to the Alliance if 2 teams from the ACC,BIG E,or ND are ranked
>  #1 and #2 in the 'AP' poll , they will play in the Fiesta Bowl.
>    - there is no 'out' clause for this case.

Umm.. are you sure -- what if they had met before?  I know FSU fans
will shout loudly for a re-match, but there is NO way Miami can be
accused of ducking them --- they played them and beat them fair and
square...  Aside from the fact that FSU is probably the only team who
could beat Miami 5 out of 10 times at this point, Miami would probably
prefer to beat up on TAMU should Alabama lose...

>  A final question - don't you believe Florida State would have a lot
>  more to gain than Miami by meeting in the Fiesta Bowl ???

Miami can and SHOULD avoid this rematch -- as you said, very little to
gain, and a LOT to lose... sorry, FSU you had a shot.

PS: I am NOT a Miami fine, and last year blasted them for ducking
Florida (no question they did!), but this year I think they are
entitled to avoid FSU (if the coalition rules allow it) as they
already trounced them.

However, an interesting scenario is IF Miami loses to Syracuse and
Alabama oses too, Miami will lthen be willing to play the highest
ranked team to try for the MNC -- isn;t likely to happen, but if my
Illini can tie mighty Michigan, you never know...

Bharat


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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: TRIPLE PLAYS (was Re: Help with a trivia question)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:27:50 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Nov19.141328.19138@athena.cs.uga.edu> milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.172416.12181@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>
>>These are the ONLY two times in NCAA history that that has happened.  In
>>1987, the Tiger football team finished #4 in the nation at 10-1-1 with a
>>30-13 win over USC in the Gator Bowl, the Baseball Tigers had a Top Five 
>>finish in Omaha at the CWS, and Daddy Dale took the LSU basketball team 
>>to the Elite Eight in the Tourney before losing to eventual Champ
>>Louisville.
>>
>>Those were the days.....
>>
>
>Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Arkansas finish #3 in the country in all   three one year? 
>I believe that the year was 1977. In this year they went to the Orange Bowl and shocked Oklahoma. I don't remember them being in the Final Four that year ( I doremember UNC, UNCC, and Marquette - don't remember the fourth).
>This could have happened in the late 1960's. I don't know when, but my dad      brings it up once in a while.

	Arkansas finished third in 1978, losing to eventual champ Kentucky in
the semis and then beating Notre Dame in the consolation game. (They also 
finished 3rd in 1990, losing to Duke in the semis; Duke was in the other 
bracket in '78, as well)

> President Bill Clinton Administration        *   milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:13:52 -0500 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Michigan vs.  OSU

It's now 13:32 left in the 3rd quarter with UM ahead 6-3.  I'm wondering
if Moeller will have enough faith in Collins to allow him to pass the
ball atleast a few time.  
We shall see...............

Will
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From: andrew@huey.met.fsu.edu (Andrew Devanas)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: Department of Meteorology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:16:23 GMT

Oh give me a break Todd. First of all, FSU has an off week this week. I've
seen many times through the years teams fall back down a notch during an 
off week. Second, can you fault FSU fans for wanting to face miami again?
What if the aggies lost to Texas early in the year, then won the rest of 
their games and had a chance to meet Texas in a bowl game. Remember, the
FSU team now is much improved over the one that lost to miami. (unfortunately,
miami has probably improved also) Third, alot of FSU fans would be happy to
play in another cotton bowl, it's just that the thought of facing miami again
is appealing. Finally, whether the aggies play FSU in the cotton or play for
the MNC on NYD, they will get the chance to prove themselves against a quality
team. So hold your breath and let others spout, if TAMU is for real, you will
get the last laugh!
		-Andy

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:04:19 GMT

Peter Reiher (reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu) wrote:
: My own personal favorite would be Miami/ND in the Fiesta Bowl, but the
: probabilities of that are low.  (Though not as low as they were three
: weeks ago . . .)  Barring that, Miami/Alabama sounds like a fine game.
: Miami/Texas A&M, on the other hand, does not sound nearly so fine.

Maybe you should just call the commissioners of the Fiesta, Cotton, and
Sugar Bowls.  I'm sure they'd be happy to take you personal preferences
in account...
-- 
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From: kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:49:27 GMT
Reply-To: kkc@nursing.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Arizona - College of Nursing


>>AP
>>
>>1. Miami
>>2. Alabama
>>3. FSU
>>4. Texas A&M
>>
>>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>>      :
>>      :
>>      :
>>Texas A&M is not happy about the AP polls, but are still in the race.   
>>Unless, FSU makes it to #2 and meets Miami in the Fiesta.
>>

>Couldn't agree with you more, A&M did nothing to merit a drop like that
>in the polls. A W is a W and nobody remember how you did it later on. By
>the way, how about the rest of the top 25?....
>
>Dave Elfering
 
 Sure A&M deserves the lower poll ranking than FSU. A&M was unimpressive in 
 their win over Houston. IMO they do not deserve to be in the top 10. Which top
 25 teams have they played so far?
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:38:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov16.193843.49501
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <Qf1qDIS00WAwQjY0p_@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason
>Fawcett) writes:
>
>>AP
>>
>>1. Miami
>>2. Alabama
>>3. FSU
>>4. Texas A&M
>>
>>FSU jumps over Texas A&M, with a blow out with Tulane.
>>
>>Well the polls MO POINTS rule raises it's ugly head again.  With FSU >and
>>Bama both playing Florida, it will be a shootout for MO POINTS. The >most
>>POINTS could get the #2 spot. Both Bama and FSU will be taken out the
>
>At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule didn't rear it's
>head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of the top five
>atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a PAC-10 fan,
>just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better schedule than
>A&M. What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3 spot???? 
>Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of Alabama
>and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not played
>anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest opponent
>was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and has
>rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by
>Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  Arizona's schedule has been
>tougher than Alabama's and TAMU's crap schedules combined!

Victims so far of Alabama include #20 Tennessee, #18 Mississippi State, and
#24 Mississippi.  It also includes wins over S. Mississippi.  
So, in Bama's defense, they barely got by Mississippi State, in Miss., who
was ranked #16 going into the game, and #18 as off today.  As for Texas A&M,
yes they have had a weak schedule.  What legitimate teams??? Well, the good
ol' Pac-10 Stanford team lost to Texas A&M.   Are you trying to say that
they are not legitimate??  Arizona has one of the toughest, if not the
toughest, schedules in the nation.  Comparing them isn't fair.  And, finally,
in the defense of the other two teams, they have one claim that no one in the
Pac-10 can make...  They are undefeated...  As for tough conferences, try
this one on for size...   The SEC has !!!!6!!!! teams in the top 25 right now,
including 3 top 10 teams.   
SEC				PAC-10
#2 Alabama			#5 Washington
#9 Florida			#14 Stanford
#10 Georgia			#15 USC
#18 Mississippi State		#16 Arizona
#20 Tennessee
#24 Mississippi

Hmm....  looks to me that you could make an argument that the SEC is the
toughest converence in the nation...


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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Badgers choke, what's new...
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:40:39 GMT
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As by now I'm much closer to being of sound state of mind, I thought I'd
give my views on Wisconsin's 1992 football season. While the devastating
loss to Northwestern ended the season on a sour note, at least there is
hope for the future. This hope comes in the form of this year's recruiting
class, of which nearly all was redshirted. Also the performances of Brent
Moss, Terrell Fletcher (when he was healthy) and future NFL star Lee
DeRamus were uplifting. 

On the down side, Darrell Bevell wasn't all too great. Here's hoping that
one of the redshirt QBs can step in and do a better job or that Bevell
continues to improve over the next 6 months. Probably the most devastating
effect of the whole season however, was that once again, with a chance to
at least peer around the corner of success, UW came up short. In football
and basketball in particular, it seems as though no matter who is coaching,
and however much talent this coach has, UW just can't take that next step.
We saw it with John Jardine and Dave McLain's football Badgers and some of
the basketball teams that included Wes Matthews, Cory Blackwell, Danny
Jones, Trent Jackson and so on...I'm beginning to think that UW is cursed.

Well, now that I've rambled to the point that I'm talking about curses, I
guess I better cut myself off. At least the Badger hockey squad doesn't have
a monkey on its back.

--salty

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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:26:35 GMT

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

>But I'd love to spend New Year's at the Fiesta Bowl with the Buffaloes
>and the Orangemen!  Especially if they beat the Canes this week :-)

Can someone please tell me what Tempe is like on New Years Eve ?

People (including me probably) have posted how they want to go to the
Sugar Bowl because NY eve in the French Quarter sounds like a blast,
but hell I don't remember ever being to Tempe and maybe it's a great 
place to be also. I bet it's a lot cleaner than the French 1/4 . :-)

Thanks,

Justin - the Canes will go wherever the fun is - Frederich
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From: lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 02:44:53 GMT

In article <By73pE.G61@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov22.014417.74436@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>>>In article <1em1e8INNga1@agate.berkeley.edu>, hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William
>>>Hackett) writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Except the ACC Basketball, Football.  Academics: Duke, UVa, Wake, Clemson, Ga.
>>>Tech, Maryland and UNC  Golf, Women's Basketball:  Va, Maryland etc.  I
>>>suppose I could go on, But there is only so much I can say to an Idiot like
>>>you except that not only does the ACC currently exist, but this T/C conference
>>>is just impossible, read any of the earlier posts about UofT and aTm getting
>>>held hostage by the Texas Legislature.  Grow A Brain.
>>>-- 
>>>MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
>>>758-0207
>>>MLSA
>>>
>>>"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
>>>wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
>>>another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
>
>>#1 don't even think you can compete academically.  Stanford,Cal, Rice are
>>better than any of your schools flat out and I would take TA&M Texas UCLA
>>as being better than all but your top one or two.. Football Give me a break
>>Texas Texas A&M , UCLA, USC... need I say more...  Golf shall I remind you
  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^   ^^^^  ^^^
only one of these has fewer than 3 losses


>>TEXAS, STANFURD!!.. Same goes for Womens Basketball!!..  Okay Men's Basketball
>>does look good for you but UCLA is always good Stanford Texas are not so bad
>>and every once in while Houston.  This confernece if you look up all the 
>>stats kicks the EAST COAST butt! even ACC.  Texas doesn't want its best two
>>schools to leave the SWC to join the PAC-10 but I'm sure they wouldn't mind 
>>this super conference...  

It's still tilted to the non-SWC/Pac 10 teams:

   Wrestling (Big Ten, Eastern Wrestling League, we'll give you a c-
               for having Arizona State)
   Men's Basketball (Big Ten, ACC, Big East could each stand on their own)
   Women's Basketball (Virginia and Tennessee are not far, if at all 
                          behind Texas and Stanford) 
   Lacross (Syracuse, Princeton)
   Fencing (Ivy League, PSU)
   Baseball (the South East schools match up well)
   Soccer (both Mens and Womens)
   Hockey (New England schools, mid-west)


Academics (not this my school is better than yours tread, but since you
started)

  Ivy League (in a league of their own), MIT, Georgia Tech, How many
  Big 1T1en schools rank in the top 10 for Engineering (Mechanical,
  Electrical, Chemical,...)  




John L
  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Don James
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:50:19 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <7322@news.duke.edu> yang@math.duke.edu (Joe Yang) writes:
>
>But they non-the-less won all their games.
>You can call it lucky if you want, but to get that much luck
>(especially if they win their final bowl game again closely) you have
>to think that God is on their side.
>

The God is on their side.  At least the woofing God is.  :^)

And if getting a MNC is more dependent on coaches and less on talents, the
MNC may be no longer that mythical.  Could Ohio State win the MNC this year
if Erickson is the head coach this year?  I really doubted.   (I am not
saying Ohio State lacks talented players, I'm just saying geat coaches still
can't do shit without great talents:  MNC needs both great talented players
and talented coaches and *luck*).


- Lou


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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Keywords: travesty
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:05:09 GMT

If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
Michigan state loses to Illinois, both very
real possibilities, then Iowa will be (6-6) and
will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.

I think this would be a travesty, look at the 
teams Iowa has beaten

Iowa State (home)
Wisconsin  (home)
Northwestern (home)
Indiana      (road)
Illinois    (road)

hardly an impressive list, surely there will
be more deserving teams who won't get to go
to a bowl.

Richard Turner

Go Michigan State
Go Minnesota
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: fsu and A&M was(Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:52:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:

Stuff about Bama being number 2 because they came back to beat MSU and what
being #2 (or should be #3 A&M's case) in the country means.


>  Being #2 in the country does not mean you have to beat the pants off the #16
>(or whatever) team in the country.  Being able to come back and win (especially on
>the road) the way Bama did against a fine Mississippi State team certainly

Tell this to the pollesters and the fsu crew about A&M.  
Is there any precedent(sp?) of a 1 lose team leap frogging a no lose team?
Recently there has been the 1 tie leap frog, but with a lose.  So far
no one has proved they are better than us, someone has proved they are
better than fsu.

Todd
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From: lyons@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Lyons)
Subject: Re: Things to be THANKFUL for
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:07:37 GMT

rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:


>Well, Its been a long hard disappointing season for the Wahoos. From #10 to
>not even going to a bowl game. What choking. However, there are two things
>UVA fans can give thanks for:

>1) AT LEAST WE DIDNT SUFFER THE ULTIMATE HUMILIATION. By this, of course,
>I mean, at least we didnt lose to Tech!@!!

>2) CLEMSON HAD A LOSING SEASON. Ha ha ha ha ha. sure, they may have ruined 
>our season, BUT they only beat FOUR I-A teams this year. FOUR! ha ha ha ha.
>ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. They even lost to the lamecocks! ha ha ha ha.

It has been a hard pill to swallow around here with the 5-6 record, but
we have one thing to be thankful for.  VIRGINIA *MADE* OUR SEASON!  If
it weren't for the great 28-point choke, this season would have been a
total disaster.  Instead, when we get down thinking about how we lost to
Maryland?  South Carolina?  WAKE FOREST?  We still have Virginia to lift
our spirits.

>Well, I realize this is a spiteful message, but these are the kinds straws
>UVA fans have to grasp for in order to see 92 as anything but a crushing
>disappointment.

Ditto in Clemson.

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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OSU beats Michigan: 13-13
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:34:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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>First of all, it was 28 of 46 for 271 yards and 1 TD.  It was "2nd best" only
>in the number of attempts and completions.  Ohio State has cranked out some



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