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Subject: Handicap Digest # 2970
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:00:04 GMT
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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2970

                         Wednesday, October 14, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                                 S.I.G.N.S.
                               Sign References
                              Re: DEAF DRIVERS
                               Re: S.I.G.N.S.
                                    Hello
                                 S.I.G.N.S.
                               Sign References
                             Re: Sign References
                               Re: S.i.g.n.s.
                         Re: How to get on other bbs


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Subject: S.I.G.N.S.
From: Rick.Catania@f22.n230.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Catania)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:230/22 - The Special Needs B, Whiting IN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

I'd like to take a moment here to introduce a committee which may very
well make some needed changes within vocational training shops.

Structuring & Identifying Graphic Non-Conformity Signage (S.I.G.N.S.)
is a committee which has been put together in Hammond, Indiana at
Hammond's Workforce Training Center (Area Career Center).

It's Motto is : "Quality Career Communications and Understanding"

Purpose:
Study and develop signs for business and industrial terms to aid the
hearing impaired population.

Objective:
a. Study and develop sign language terms for all classes offered at the
Area Career Center.

b. Enhance intstructor-student communications

c. Encourage social independence in the classroom.

d. Develop methods for interactive participation with peers.

e. Utilize new sign language in classroom as soon as developed.

Design a text for classroom use -

Design software programs for classroom use -

Protocols:
Review protocols for development of sign language.

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An international search is taking place in order to locate any
existing specific sign language terminoligy which would be appropriate
in meeting this committee's objectives. If none exists, then it will be
developed. The newly developed signs would then be shared with the
organizations associated with gathering information for the
education of hearing impaired/deaf individuals.

Comments are always welcomed.

If you wish to send a direct comment, send it to me, Rick Catania
Electronically,:    1:230/22 @ FidoNet
                   94:2190/2 @ ADAnet
                   86:8120/6 @ ToadNet

Via U.S Mail:

Rick Catania
P.O. Box 334
Whiting, Indiana 46394

 * SLMR 2.1 #T375 * Everything starts as somebody's daydream.

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Subject: Sign References
From: Joel.Kogen@f1.n107.z94.fidonet.org (Joel Kogen)
Organization: FidoNet node 94:107/1 - Net 107 Technical O, Edison NJ


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 you might like to Try the
 The Joy Of Signing
By Lottie L. Riekehof
 The ISBN# 0-88243-518-3
  Sorry I don't recalled the Price i think it around 20.00
  you can call you local book store I know waldan Books carrie it.
  ( if the have any left.)

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Subject: Re: DEAF DRIVERS
From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 > I am not deaf,  but I have hard the H.I. are also Better
 > Driver the hear Person. and i know it true to.

Joel:

Why do you say that?  I will grant you that a person who is deaf or
hearing impaired will be less distracted by the radio, or by
another passenger, but that same person will also be unable to hear
when other drivers toot their horns to alert about an impending
danger.  I think that hearing impaired person could be just as good
drivers on non-hearing impaired, but I don't see any reason to
believe that they would be *better* drivers.

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Subject: Re: S.I.G.N.S.
From: Fran.O'gorman@f94.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Fran O'gorman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/94 - Monroe Electronic M, Monroe NY


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Rick,

 RC> An international search is taking place in order to locate any
 RC> existing specific sign language terminoligy which would be
 RC> appropriate in meeting this committee's objectives. If none
 RC> exists, then it will be developed. The newly developed signs would
 RC> then be shared with the organizations associated with gathering
 RC> information for the education of hearing impaired/deaf individuals.

 RC> Comments are always welcomed.

The general reason behind your effort sounds noble, but I feel I
should warn you that, as was learned with Esperanto (an
international language that was made up to facilitate
communication) unless the langauge already exists and people are
already using it, a new, made up one doesn't seem to take hold.
Language evolves in use, so with the exception of defining
technical terms, if ASL is what most folk use, that's what they'll
continue to use.

--Fran

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Subject: Hello
From: Margaret.Overath@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Margaret Overath)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

HELLO THERE! I AM NEW ON THIS THING.  I ALSO LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
HEARING AIDS MYSELF. I WEAR TWO HEARING AIDS AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE
SEVEN YEARS OLD!  SO I AM PLANNING TO LOOK FOR NEW ONES SOON.  SO
ANYBODY OUT THERE GOT SOME PARTICULAR BRAND YOU RECOMMEND?

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Subject: S.I.G.N.S.
From: Mike.Lutes@p0.f31.n284.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Lutes)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:284/31.0 - Alpha-Omega BBS, Springfield MO


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Another good resource book, is "Sign Language Made Simple"
                                 By: Edgar Lawrence
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Subject: Sign References
From: Betty.Mcbroom@f27.n3615.z1.fidonet.org (Betty Mcbroom)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3615/27 - TN Deafness I N BBS, Knoxville TN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

RC>Hi folks.... long time no type...

RC>Once again I need help! So... I turn to you....

RC>My son has just begun a vocational class... Book Binding!

RC>I need to find a good sign reference book, pamphlet, or whatever which
RC>will show me univerisal signs for what he may experience in this class.
RC>I'd also be interested in sign reference books which may deal with any
RC>other specific type of shop signs.

       Try N.T.I.D. (National Technical Ins. for Deaf) in Rochester,
       NY.   Or some of the community colleges that have programs for
       the deaf (one is in St. Petersburg, Fla., another in Minnesota,
       another in New Orleans).  If no one else has replied to you,
       let me know and I'll find the addresses for you.   Good luck!

 ~ OLX 2.2 ~ Don't take life too seriously.  It isn't permanent.

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Subject: Re: Sign References
From: Rick.Catania@f22.n230.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Catania)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:230/22 - The Special Needs B, Whiting IN


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

FO>Rick,

FO>The one reference that seems to contain the MOST terms and words
FO>of any source I have ever seen is the tome American Sign Language
FO>-- a Comprehensive Dictionary... there are smaller editions
FO>available in softcover but make sure it's not an abridged version.

Thanks for your feedback, Fran!  I do have a personal hard copy of that
dictionary. Sad to say.... as detailed as it is, it still doesn't cover
the signage I'm looking for.

An acquintance did contact Gallaudet. Gallaudet had people do some
research for any publications dealing with signs on Book Binding
Terminology. I still need to contact NAD along with the Rochester
Institute of Technology.

I do have an ASCII file available off my BBS listing the terminology
and the definitions. BINDING.ZIP

Anyone is welcomed to FREQ it from 1:230/22 @ FidoNet.

Thanks once again.....

Rick

 * SLMR 2.1 #T375 * Everything starts as somebody's daydream.

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Subject: Re: S.i.g.n.s.
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 PC>> "Native" users of American Sign Language if you
 PC>> want your work to have any semblance of acceptance by
 PC>> the Deaf Community.

 AS> If you go back and re-read Rick's message - he stated hearing
 AS> impaired, not specifically the Deaf Community.  There are many
 AS> deaf/HoH folks who use PSE and SEE, so ASL is not the only
 AS> sign language.

How right you are, Annie.  When accepting the Ridder award at the SHHH
convention in CR, Pres. Jordan of Gallaudet spoke orally and signed at
the same time in PSE (or was it SEE?).  They had two interpreters
translating what he was saying into ASL.  It was interesting to see the
difference, live and in real-time.  It must be difficult or impossible
to speak orally and sign at the same time in ASL.

There was an interesting article in the 1991-92 Winter edition of
"Gallaudet Today" titled "The Silent Majority : Deafened Adults".
There are several times as many deafened adults as "born" deaf, and
most deafened adults use PSE when signing.

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Subject: Re: How to get on other bbs
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 BH> I am wondering how much the technology in hearing aids has
 BH> changed in that time period?  Maybe if we are persistent
 BH> someone with more current technology will offer some ideas.

>From the user's standpoint, there has been little if any practical
change in technology.  There's been an obscene lot of technobabble
from the advertising flaks, some of it quite misleading.

Nicolet attempted to market a true digital body aid about three years
ago, but few dealers were willing to invest in the specialized equipment
required to program it.  Earlier this month (9\92) GN Danavox announced
a true digital BTE aid.  I hope it gets a warmer reception than the
Nicolet Phoenix did.

IMHO, our problem is that hearing aid manufacturers do not perceive
hearing aid users as their market.  The manufacturers sell to the
hearing aid dealers, so that is the bunch they cater to - not us.
The dealers are interested in a simple product they can sell quickly for
a huge markup, one that does not require they invest in expensive
fitting equipment.  Until the marketing situation changes, I doubt we
can expect significant technological progress.

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