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From: trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite)
Subject: Re: Anyone else notice the polls? (MEDIA BIAS)
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:26:19 GMT

In <1992Oct16.182835.12237@u.washington.edu>
sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:

>No bias.  Just a predisposition toward sensationalism,
>controversy, and high energy events.  After last night's
>debate (Number 2), EVERY commentator I heard from a TV
>station or network, and almost every newspaper journalist,
>complained that the debate was not exciting enough
>(not enough "confrontation", not enough "heated exchanges,
>etc.).

This indicates that they do like controversy, but it doesn't say anything
about whether they have a political bias.  It's understandable that they'd
want excitement; they think it makes them look better when they can cover
"tough" stories.  However, pretending to be "just the news" when you're
actually trying to sway voter opinion really stinks.

>The media have their own agenda, but it's economic and not political.

The "media" probably doesn't have an agenda (well, perhaps we should
except Turner's CNN).  However, taken collectively, journalists do have
a certain leeward tilt.  Hence, Clinton's gotten most of the good press
this campaign season (after they got that "sensationalism" thing out
of their system during the primaries).

-- Trevor Bourget (trevor@telesoft.com)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Subject: Re: Blame it on SOMEONE, George Bush
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:53:07 GMT

In article <1bfekdINN2vv@fido.asd.sgi.com> aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer) writes:
>First George Bush blamed congress for all of his economic woes.  He 
>had a good plan, or so he said, but just couldn't get it through congress.
>
>Now comes word that in his second term, Bush will fire his
>economic team.  This is the same economic team that put together 
>his "Agenda for American Renewal" and other campaign proposals.  

  Hmm, novel naval strategy from the old sailor: if the ship is sinking
throw a few crewmembers overboard to lighten her up.

>
>George Bush is trying to put the blame on Budget Director Richard Darman
>and Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady now -- presumably because he doesn't
>think they are good advisors.  

  Methinks that is risky and could backfire. If those guys are history
already and anyway, they could leak or otherwise pass on non-complimentary
stories about the innards of the White House and Administration.

>
>He's trying to say, "I have a good economic agenda," but at the same time 
>telling THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE IT that he doesn't think they are any good.
>
>Seems he has about as much "faith" in his economic agenda as I do. 

  What is this Bush economic agenda that you have conjured up ??

-- 
Jeff Sicherman
up the net without a .sig
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe)
Subject: Re: State by State Poll Results
Reply-To: millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:22:15 GMT

In article 718894530@hydra, koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig) writes:
>kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore) writes:
>>(Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
>> >Recent Poll results, ordered by number of electoral college votes.
>> >! == Candidate has lead of 10% or more. 
>> >EV == Electoral College votes for that state (270 votes needed for victory).
>> >State  EV   Bush Clinton Perot   State  EV   Bush Clinton Perot
>> >  AR    6    25     58!    6       NM    5    30     38    13
>
>>How is it that Clinton has no lead in Arkansas? Are they wiser
>>to this guy than the rest of the nation? 
>
>Hummmm, I read this slightly different.  Seems to me that the people of
>Arkansas would like Clinton elected.  I visited there a few weeks back
>and if you talk to a few people you get the impression that they would like
>him to win only so he will stop screwing with local taxes and regulations.
>
>Still undecided, but leaning....
>Mark
I don't have the original handy, but I believe the confusion is with
AR & AK....

AK=Alaska where I believe Bush & CLinton are deadlocked (if I remember right)
AR=Arkansas where Clinton is hands-down winner right now.

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From: msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: I will vote for Clinton if ...  [REPOST]
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:01:31 GMT
Distribution: usa


Richard Mulac wants a promise that no one making less than
$200,000 will ever have their taxes increased under Clinton/Gore.
Only a fool (for example, the one in office now) would make
such a sweeping pledge that may not be possible to keep.

Who knows what will happen with the economy, or the world, in
the next four years.

C/G will do everything in their power to see to it the people
are taxed fairly.  But no one can guarantee the situation won't
call for a new tax at some future time.

If this is THE MOST IMPORTANT issue to you, go ahead and vote for
those who will tell you with utmost conviction that they will
"never ever ever" raise taxes again.  Just like they said the last
time.

CLINTON/GORE '92
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
From: asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: The Games Are Basically Over, and Clinton Will Win BIG!!
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:02:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.153906.6864@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.143453.1649@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>    Bill Clinton will be the next President of the United States; accept it.
>What science fiction have you been reading???  Or perhaps you smoked something
>funny and inhaled!!
>

Oh, god, stop it. You're KILLING me, over here. I bet you knock 'em
dead in the big rooms.
Alan



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From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: GET THE REAL STORY ON DAN QUAYLE
Date: 13 Oct 1992 19:25:55 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

kamilewi@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Alex Kamilewicz) writes:


>MAKING OF A SENATOR:  DAN QUAYLE by Richard Fenno.

>This book is an unbiased, facts-only account of Dan Quayle's terms in 
>Congress.  It gives some real insights into D.Q.'s accomplishments and 
>faults and failures.

>I highly recommend it for anyone who seriously wants to defend or bash
>Dan Quayle

>Alex

Alex, please suggest something more useful....
What about a book for those of us who want to humorously defend of
bash Dan Quayle?	

						--  Michal

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: alex@bnr.ca
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: bnr
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 19:33:46 GMT

In article <57910001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
|>               Please answer these 9 questions and return.
|> 
|> 1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
|> Yes                  [Y]
|> Sometimes            [ ]
|> No                   [ ]
|> Haven't heard enough [ ]
|> Other                [ ]
|> 
|> 2.) Are you pro choice?
|> Yes                  [Y]
|> Sometimes            [ ]
|> No                   [ ]
|> Haven't heard enough [ ]
|> Other                [ ]
|> 
|> 3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
|> Yes                  [Y]
|> Sometimes            [ ]
|> No                   [ ]
|> Haven't heard enough [ ]
|> Other                [ ]
|> 
|> 4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
|> rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
|> Yes                  [ ]
|> Sometimes            [ ]
|> No                   [ ]
|> Haven't heard enough [ ]
|> Other                [X]
|> 
|> 5.) What sex are you?
|> Male               [X]
|> Female             [ ]
|> 
|> 6.) How old are you?
|> Under 18           [ ]
|> 19 to 65           [X]
|> Over 65            [ ]
|> 
|> 7.) What religion are you?
|> Protestant         [ ]
|> Catholic           [ ]
|> Jewish             [ ]
|> Other              [X] (Atheist)
|> 
|> 8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
|> Democratic         [ ]
|> Republican         [ ]
|> Other              [X]
|> 
|> 9.) How many years of education have you completed?
|> Grade School       [ ]
|> High School        [ ]
|> College            [ ]
|> More               [X]
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: The Federal Debt
Originator: delarocq@c00068-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:15:07 GMT


  I really liked Ross Perot's 30 minute talk about our economy.

  The reason why I am voting for Clinton is that he has a better
  strategy for taking on the problems at hand.

  If Ross Perot were elected president, he would only last four years.
  He would run the country like a business, cutting social programs to
  the bare bone, while raising taxes. Sure, it would fix the defecit
  problem, but it would kill the American people.

  Clinton, on the other hand, favors a gradual solution to the problem
  at hand. I do believe that he is truly the man to solve our problems.

  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite)
Subject: Re: The Federal Debt
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
	    <1992Oct8.051507.4080@ncsu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:40:19 GMT

In <1992Oct8.051507.4080@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
(DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:

>  I really liked Ross Perot's 30 minute talk about our economy.
...
>  Clinton, on the other hand, favors a gradual solution to the problem
>  at hand. I do believe that he is truly the man to solve our problems.

Gradual, schmadual.  Doesn't it ever make you wonder that presidents
who get elected for four years always have a FIVE-year plan for
eliminating the deficit?  Yet they always talk about what sweeping
reforms they're going to make in their first 120 days of office:
New spending programs, for example, that always pass because they
make idiot voters happy; and government cost-cutting measures that
are always defeated because they might eliminate a civil "servant"'s
"job".  It's all pretty revolutionary, if you ask me.

-- Trevor Bourget (trevor@telesoft.com)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: I'm surprised!
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 03:34:29 GMT

>In article <1992Oct6.193906.22246@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> psmith@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul Smith) writes:
>>
>>I've been in this discussion on the net before, so I have to jump in...
>>
>>(not shouting, just don't know how to do italics in ascii :-)
>>
>>I DON'T CARE WHAT EXCEPTION SITUATIONS YOU COME WITH, YOU (and the STATE) 
>>DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO UNDERMINE *MY* PARENTAL AUTHORITY. *PERIOD*.
>>To do so would open (has opened?) up a bigger can of worms...

There is nothing you can do today with teens on the basis of "parental
authority."  It doesn't matter if they change the abortion laws tomorrow.
You cannot operate with teens on the basis of "parental authority."  If
that is the basis of how you operate with a teenager you will lose and lose
big in your relationship with them.

That is the good news.

There is more good news:  teens respect legitimate leadership based on
caring and consideration and a respectful transmission of values.  That is
not what most people mean by parental authority.  P.A. means, "these are my
rules and you will live by them. PERIOD."  That system fails.  I have seen it 
over and over again.

It used to work and some lament its passing.  It was easy and lazy parents
could scare most kids into submission and leave whatever scars were left
for their therapy groups as adults.  It was never respectful or a good way
of raising kids.  Having lost the ability to impose their will by force,
many parents throw up their hands and say the system doesn't allow them to
do their job.  The system doesn't allow us to be tyrants anymore.  A good
parent takes the considerably more time and effort to *produce an adult
human being* capable of making decisions in a moral context.

It is a lot more work to operate this way, but it is worth it and it works
for all parties.

Also, lets face it:  no law is going to give you authority as a parent that
you do not actually have as a parent thru your relationship with the child.
All the law can do is make your child have to be more covert and at risk
when s/he defies your *claim* of authority, which is not the same thing as
true, actual authority.


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From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: BUSH:  Innuendo update
Date: 9 Oct 1992 02:51:10 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: holodeck.csd.sgi.com


I SPOKE TOO SOON!  When I posted this:

>10/08/92  -  Houston, TX
>
>    WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN MARLIN FITZWATER:  We don't know anything 
>          about the Moscow trip -- we don't really know why he went or 
>          what he was doing.

 10/08/92  -  New Orleans, LA

     WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN MARLIN FITZWATER:  It's another case where 
	   he can't seem to tell the truth.

..and then..

 10/08/92  -  Washington, DC

     DEPUTY CAMPAIGN MANAGER MARY MATALIN:  It's another vintage Clinton. 
	   It's pathological deception.

 10/08/92  -  New Orleans, LA

     BUSH: This is the worst political year I believe I have seen...
	   the ugliest, the nastiest.

..but don't blink, that was only (read-my)lip service:

 10/08/92  -  New Orleans, LA  (exact quote not available)

     New Orleans (UPI) -- President Bush today said he likely will 
     raise more questions about Bill Clinton's patriotism.  Despite 
     an admitted lack of proof,  President Bush continues to raise 
     questions about Bill Clinton's trip to Moscow in 1969. Bush says
     to expect more questions about his opponent's patriotism during 
     Sunday night's debate.
	      
Allan

Interesting factoid:
   Strobe Talbott, a fellow Rhodes scholar at the time and now editor at
   large of Time magazine, said he was among eight of the 32 students on
   the fellowships who traveled to Moscow during the winter break.

-- 
Allan Schaffer   x2160                    "Things have been tough, but 
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com              they haven't been that tough."
aschaffe@netcom.com                                   - George Bush   10/4/92
For a free copy of Bill Clinton's economic recovery plan, call (501) 372-1992
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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: I will vote for Clinton if ...
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:06:55 GMT
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
: StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
: >sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
: >: >sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
: >: >I hear tell that Bush wants 'Deutschland, Deutschland ueber alles'
: >: >played at his inauguration should he be re-elected.
: >: Now that's silly, why would an American President want a German anthem
: >: played at his inaguration.                 :)
: >Probably for a similar reason as an American President wanting a Communist
: >anthem played at his inauguration.  :)
: Look at Clinton's policies and you'll know why the Internationale is
: appropriate            :)

And look at Bush's policies (particularly the War on Our Rights, excuse 
me, the "War" on Drugs) and you will understand why a Nazi hymn (*) is 
appropriate.  :)

: >: There will be ice floes on the River Styx if Clinton becomes President.
: >*shrug*  I hear that Hell is a rather chilly place these days.
: Not as chilly as our houses will be when CLinton's energy policies leave
: us out in the COLD during the winter of 93/94.        :)

It could be worse.  We could be unable to afford our utilites, or even
housing, as more and more people end up unemployed under Bush's
nonrecognition of reality. 

(*) For the unimformed: "Deutschland, Deutschland Ueber Alles" is the first
line of the first verse of the German national anthem.  The first verse
is no longer officially sung in Germany because that verse was overabused
by the Nazis in the 1930's and usage nowadays would raise the ire
of Germany's neighbors, and Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, and homosexuals around
the world.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: testing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:58:20 GMT

In article <29217@life.ai.mit.edu> bush-hq@campaign92.org (Bush/Quayle '92) writes:
>This is a test of the Bush auto-posting network.
 
   This may be the only statement from the Bush-Quyale mecca of lies that 
is not a real lie.

>
>If this had been an actual post, it might have said
>something interesting.
 
  Quickly, the "truth" shows again. 
 
  Tell me, people, is there anything, ANYTHING at all, that comes from the
Bush-Quayle campaign, that might be remotely interesting ?  
  Looking at Quayle tonight, the guy's pathetic, pointing fingers, raising 
fists, lies, attacks, waffling, pandering. I truly feel sorry for Bush, 
feel sorry for Quayle, and most sadly, I feel sorry for America, that we
have to be stuck with this kind of people for three more weeks. 
  Mr. Quayle, Mr. Bush, Ms Mary Matlin, you can jump up and down, spit and
swing all you want. Time is short, you might as well disgust us to the limit
and to the end.
 

  


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From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Mr. Bush Just doesn't understand
Date: 10 Oct 1992 01:54:55 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
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10/09/92:   Cincinnati, OH

   BUSH:  "I'm standing with American principle.  It is wrong to 
	   demonstrate against your country when your country's at war.
	   And I'm not going to back away from it one single bit"

..until tomorrow, I bet.

George Bush obviously doesn't understand the role of dissent.  He keeps
saying, "they shouldn't be [protesting] while our boys are dying halfway
around the world", but ignores the fact that people are protesting
*because* our boys are dying halfway around the world.

..and just in case he forgets:

                                  Amendment I

	Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of 
	religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or of 
	the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, 
	and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Allan
-- 
Allan Schaffer   x2160                    "Things have been tough, but 
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com              they haven't been that tough."
aschaffe@netcom.com                                   - George Bush   10/4/92
For a free copy of Bill Clinton's economic recovery plan, call (501) 372-1992
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: mister rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Bush's Veto
X-Xxdate: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:52:22 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:13:31 GMT

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call them and cancel. tell them why you cancelled.
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