From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ( Arun )
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:31:54 GMT

In article <2B083617.7750@news.service.uci.edu>, sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:

>	You have the right to vote whoever you want. Your analogy fits
>	more to those who wrote and who have power to amend.
>
>	The issue under debate is opposition to Hindi as the official
>	langauge of India. You know how it got into the constitution.
>	The constitution assembly voted equally for and against making
>	Hindi official language. The chairman, President Rajendra
>	Prasad, who had to break the tie, voted for, breaking  
>	norm of voting for 'status quo'.
>
>	Now you decide, who is the real cat in the issue.

        Again I am not supporting any party here. It seems you conveniently
        deleted the part where I wrote about it. If Congress people burned
	the constitution and lied about it in the court I would have said the
        same thing.

	First they boasted that they are going to burn the constitution to
	show their 'thamizhpatru' and they did burn something. In the court 
	they said they burned only a white paper. So they have lied somewhere
	either to the people or in the court under oath. Either one of them
	is unconscionable and unforgiveable. Get it?

	The reason I wrote this is if you think these people are going to
	bring prosperity to Tamilnadu, forget it.


>	OK. CRL doesn't carry this book. If I get chance I will read.
>	You ask everyone to read this book,  without prejudice. But
>	I wonder, given the party affiliation of Thamizharuvi Manian,
>	the author himself was unbiased. Did he write any book on
>	the history of Congress party?.

        That is why I wrote the following:

>>      In his book "Thi.Mu.Ka-
>>	Sila sandhehangal...." he just talks about facts about the history
>>	of DMK and its various stands on every issue and the contradictions.
>>	He never tried to judge anybody in this book -just facts- with 
>>	references to their own Newspapers like Murasoli and the books
>>	written by people like Mu. Ka, Annadurai and Nanjil Manoharan. 

        Please read it, you will know what I mean.

>	To come to the correct judgement, one needs to hear from the 
>	other side too. I recommend to read the book:
>	Dravida iyakka varalaaRu by Murasoli Maran. (I haven't read it
>	myself, but read a good review by S.V.Rajadurai, who is not
>	affiliated to any of these parties and has written few critical
>	articles on Dravidain movements himself).


        I will try to get the book and read it.

>>>	Why do we have a fourth largest army in the world (may be third now,
                  ^^^^
>>>	thanks to the collapse of Soviet Union)?. Just to sing Bhajans:
>>>	"Raghupathi Rahgava Rajaram". 

>>	Nehru thought so, until China taught us otherwise. The best way
>>	to avoid a war to be prepared. Wearing a helmet does not mean you
>>	intend to make an accident.
>
>	OK. As long as we use it as helmet. But was it always used to protect
>	Indian head?. Was itn't used as a sword by his daughter and grand
>	son in foriegn soil?.
>	
>	Didn't this helmet indulge in similar crimes you listed that
>	the 'terrorist' organisations are doing?.


        Please read the question to which I responded. It is why we have 
        a large army. Well, I wrote my opinion about IPKF operations.

>	You are going back on your earlier words. You are just repeating
>	what Krishnaraj initially told, which you chose to refute.
>
> Let me jsut quote your and Krishanraj's words:
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>	>Satyagraha is an  universal truth as long as opponent understands that.
>	>Satyagraha won't work against everybody.
>	>
>	>raj
>
>	IMO, Satyagraha will work at all times and with all people, but the
>	time it takes and the price we ought to pay may vary.
>	
> 	- Arun.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	This double standard is typical of 'non-violence' preaching Indian
>	patriots.
>
        My first words mean Satyagraha will work against even the worst
                                                 ^^^^^^^
	possible enemy. But it takes a lot to follow, so not everybody
        can do it. Okay? 

>>	
>>	I did not write this to mean I support Indian Government in every
>>        incident. What Srilanks has is its own problem and it should settle 
>>        it the way it wants to. The only thing we should have done is to
>
>	Then why do want to remind every other day they are terrorists?.
>	Why don't you keep quite if it is irrelevant issue to you?.

	Because I have a right of free speech. It was my opinion, remember?
	I think you have got rather a strong dose of Eelam policies.
        
>
>>	
>	I don't know when you took this stand. But most of the Indians,
>	realised the terrorist problem only when it came to Rajiv. Not
>	when he and his mother harboured, trained, armed and financed these
>	terrorists. And not when he lent Indian helmet to Sri Lanka.
>	Do you have any anology on hand for this double standard of India?.

        Again, it was none of our business, what they did was extremely
	wrong and I strongly condemn it.

>>
>>	
>>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>>>
>>
>>        Thanks for your time.
>>
>>        " Onrupattaal undu vaazhve, Nammil 
>>          ottrumai neengin anaivarukkum thaazhve!"
>>
>>        ( United we stand, Divided we fall. )
>
>	Bharathiyar has been smart not to mention the basis for this unity:
>	Is is based on geopolitics or religion or language?. I know from
>	from you postings your reason is geopolitics. Others, who argue
>	on the basis of other reasons are as (in)correct as you are.
>
>		
>	" naadugaL 
>	  piridhalum, iNaidhalum
>	  kuRaindhapatcham
>	  manidha iruppai
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	  nilaippaduththuvadhaRkaagavE "
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	This is not happening in Srilanka.


>	                Va. I. Sa. Jayapalan.
>
>	We have examples in recent history. 

	Really?

>M. Sundaramoorthy
>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 

	Sorry, for my sarcastic tone, but it is not fun to repeat the 
	same thing over and over again.

	- Arun.