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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Articles About Internet in Mass Media (Was Internet (Glob
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:07:31 GMT
Organization: Keristor Systems
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In article <1992Dec31.201049.3425@mail.cornell.edu>
            phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu writes:

>How many of you save your email?

I save *everything* <g>.  No, not quite all my email, as much of it is
trivial, but the personal correspondence with friends, that I *do* keep,
both incoming and outgoing.  One person alone in the last 20 months
since we started corresponding has taken up 3.6 Mb on my hard disk, and
that's just chat - the programs, stories, etc. must make it at least
twice that transferred...

However, if I die, will anyone keep it or 'archive' it?  I doubt it.
It's a lot easier to wipe a disk than it is to throw away several
thousands of letters - probably they wouldn't even bother looking...

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From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: SF Stories that forshadow the break down of eastern Europe
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:38:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

"Orion Shall Rise", by ????

I'm not sure that this is what you had in mind.
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Lost in Space
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:45:41 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  Do any of you know about and where the comic "Lost in Space", it is the
one with Billy Mudd as an artist and writer.
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From: Jarett.Weintraub%bbs@jptcs.com (Jarett Weintraub)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Space Empires
Date: 26 Dec 92 05:05:16 GMT
Reply-To: Jarett.Weintraub%bbs@jptcs.com (Jarett Weintraub)
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Ways to destroy a planet: 1) Always enter the system from the far side of
the inhabited planet. (alternately, if multiple bodies are inhabited, follow
a local comet on its orbit at close range. 2) High Energy Lasers are
effective, easily powered by such an advanced culture, and undetectable
before they hit, since they move at C. 3) Manuever a large body so that its
orbit collides with the inhabited planet. Bonus of looking natural. 4)
Create warped space field near the planet (black hole). 5) destroy or
disrupt the sun. 6) Similar to #2, use some other form of electromagnetic
attack which will destroy planetary life (any decent radiation will do) 7)
Release virulent toxins into the atmosphere, or killer nanotech on a mass
scale. The panic involved should prevent them from even knowing whatUs
happening, much less who did it.
  Now, because technology extends the range and ease with which destruction
may occurr, I propose that Mr. Suk has the exact WRONG idea about territory.
While I can see many SOCIAL reasons for an advanced culture to abandon its
notion of territory (general increased happiness, reduced paranoia, etc.),
the increased ability to zonk your neighbor from a long ways off with
impunity is likely to cause any so-called empire to be made up of small,
close-knit clans (at least as far as the power-holders go, and in this type
society, who needs human slaves?) with probably no more than a few thousand
people on a planet. This would also allow these people to hide there
existence from aliens better, and make them a harder target all around, as
well as making there existence a lesser burden on the environmental system. 
The only alternative is an AI defense system that improves itself (negating
the need for human weapons research) and defends all people from each other,
or an extreme revamping of social and cultural norms as we know them (which
will happen one way or the other, anyway). Note that any such
non-territorial culture wouldnt be much for empires, anyway, and probably
wouldnt give much of a damn about expansion, either.
   And, the lack of any FTL system makes it almost impossible for any empire
to hold cohesiveness outside a single solar system. How could you enforce
unpopular rules when it takes over 2 decades at C just to get to the nearest
star system? Look what happened with England and the US. :)


Note: No animals were killed in creating this sig :p

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:27:32 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu
Keywords: Libertarian,science-fiction

In <C02uyJ.F7n@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:

>Is it my imagination or is it true?  Going through the postings in the
>rec.arts.sf.*, rec.arts.startrek groups I havew discerned a Libertarian
>bias or inclination in the posting where some kind of political/social
>opinion is expressed.

>Also among persons of my acquaintance in science fiction interest groups I
>have seen the same thing.

>I am imposing my own admittedly libertarian bias to my observation, or
>could it be true.

>I would like your opinions for a sanity check.


I feel there are more Libertarian Party members in fandom than in the
mundane world -- but this may be due to the fact that the person who
was vice chair of our convention (while I was chairman), and who is
now the chariman, was one of the Libertarian Party's electors in the
state of Georgia.

It was an odd feeling on election day -- there's one of my closest
friends, listed on the Presidential ballot...

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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: RE: TERRITORIAL DISPUTES
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

-> Wrong.  The signal declines as 1/r^2.  It has been computed that two
-> Arecibo-sized antennas, with existing transmitter and receiver, could
-> communicate with one another across the galaxy (if they were pointed
-> in the right direction).  Any society that has starships will have
-> even more energy to play with, of course.

1/r^2?  Please elaborate.  And then there is the matter of how to stop
objects at an appreciable fraction of C even if you know about them.
I am not saying .999 of C, just a large percentage.  And a mass the size
of, oh, let's say about a mile in diameter - composed mostly of iron and
nickel - an asteroid.

J
From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: RE: VILLAGE OF THE DAMMNE
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

-> but the plot is pretty illogical ( ie. no explanation
-> for the existence of the children at all) and a silly ending.

They didn't explain how they survived the first movie?!!!!!  Then I
won't bother to see it.  One thing I can't stand is the rationale that,
"They survived the first in order to be in the sequal and therefore
gross more profit"

J
                               
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:44:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Silly time travel stories
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc

Speaking of silly time travel stories, Isaac Asimov did a short-short, called
"A Loint of Paw".  Probably collected in _The Early Asimov_, it's about a
thief who uses a time machine to escape justice via the statute of
limitations.  He was caught on exiting the machine, and brought to court.
The prosecutor claimed that he violated the spirit of the S-of-L.


***Spoilers ahead!!!*****************

The thief's name was Murray Stein, and the judge's decision to free
him was:

"A niche in time saves Stein".

This stinker brought to you by the memory cells of Pete Brooks.

Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:09:00 -0500 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Childhood's End=Watcher of the Skies


I'm wondering if anyone else out there has noticed the extreme
similarity of the old Genesis song "Watcher of the Skies" and Clarke's
classic "Childhood's End"? Also, does anyone recall an interview or
anything in which a Genesis member -- especially Peter Gabriel -- said
the book was the inspiration for the song?

Here are the lyrics:

Watcher of the Skies
------- -- --- -----

Watcher of the skies watcher of all
He is a world alone no world is his own,
He whom life can no longer surprise,
Raising his eyes beholds a planet unknown.

Creatures shaped this planet's soil,
Now their reign has come to an end,
Has life again destroyed life,
Do they play elsewhere, or do they know
more than their childhood games?
Maybe the lizard's shed its tail,
This is the end of man's long union with Earth.

Judge not this race by empty remains.
Do you judge God by his creatures when they are dead?
For now, the lizard's shed its tail
This is the end of man's long union with the Earth.

From life alone to life as one,
Think not now your journey done
For though your ship be sturdy,
No mercy has the sea,
Will you survive on the ocean of being?
Come ancient children hear what I say
This is my parting council for you on your way.

Sadly now your thoughts turn to the stars
Where we have gone you know you never can go.
Watcher of the skies watcher of all
This is your fate alone, this fate is your own.
From: CORMACBW%SLSCVA@snycenva.BITNET (Barbara Cormack)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Glasgow in '95
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:35:00 GMT

I was wondering if anyone could give me some help with my Glasgow in '95
worldcon membership.

I pre-supported Glasgow and mailed in my site selection ballot and fee.  At
Magicon when Glasgow won the bid, their volunteers were not well-equipped to
handle membership conversion unless you had your receipt from voting while at
Magicon.  They told me to wait for a mailing and I could handle my membership
conversion that way (supporting to attending).   So far, the mailing hasn't
materialized.  I've sent two letters to U.S. addresses I had for Glasgow
contacts, and even included SASE's, but no response so far.  I wanted to
convert as soon as possible because the price is more favorable, and I seem to
recall a December cut-off date for the conversion.

Does anyone have any information on what's going on, or whom to contact?  Any
tips would be greatly appreciated.  From now on I will vote at Worldcon!

Thanks,

Barbara Cormack
cormacbw%slscva@snycenva.bitnet
From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Daniken sceptic
Date: 25 Dec 92 20:04:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <SSAMMY.92Dec21133805@fleming-03.cs.strath.ac.uk> ssammy@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Sammy 4th Year iE/CES) writes:
>
>Hello there.
>
>I'm looking for a book that purports to reveal the
>inconsistencies and downright lies that Eric Von Daniken
>(allegedly) wrote in his "Gold of the Gods" series.
>
>I know it exists (I've read it somewhere), but I'm not sure
>of the title or the author.
>I think its called "Gold of the Gods Revealed" or something
>similar.
>
Actually there have been several books debunking Van Daniken.  Off the top of my
head there is _Crash GO the Chariots_.  The book _Fantastic Archaeology_
debunks several nonsense ideas about NA prehistory including Daniken.  Posting
something to sci.skeptic , someone else might have some recommendations.

You might have a problem purchasing the books.  Fantastic Archaeology is recent,
but others are probably out of print.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: kasprj@jec310.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Keywords: Libertarian,science-fiction
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:35:01 GMT

In article <C02uyJ.F7n@world.std.com>, rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
|> Is it my imagination or is it true?  Going through the postings in the
|> rec.arts.sf.*, rec.arts.startrek groups I havew discerned a Libertarian
|> bias or inclination in the posting where some kind of political/social
|> opinion is expressed.
 
 What this proves to me is that people with libertarian views are more 
inclined to bring political issues into discussions of science fiction.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Re: SF Stories that forshadow the break down of eastern Europe
Summary: Shirley's Eclipse Series
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:21:11 GMT

John Shirley's Eclipse series seems to have foreshoadowed a number of 
things happening in the Dark Countries today....


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From: rsteinke@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Me-Person)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Territory and Space Empires
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:10:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <lt44553@pro-smof.cts.com> wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!shiva@cactus.org (System Smof) writes:
>You want a Star Trek Syndrome pidgeonhole for humans?
>
>Humans are lucky.

This is actually an idea of Larry Niven's from _The Ringworld
Engineers_. Humans are lucky and were bred by the Puppeteers for
luck to beat the Kzin. Also see his short story "Safe At Any Speed."

Ron
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From: jimgar@scorch.apana.org.au (Jim Garner)
Subject: Re: VILLAGE OF THE DAMMNED
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:19:56 GMT

jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling)  writes:

|Just saw this movie the other night.  Cool flick.  I heard they made a
|sequal, Children of the Damned, but not confirmed.  Has anyone else seen
|this neat B&W B-movie?

Yes, it's based on John Wyndham's "The Midwich Cuckoos" - a much more
significant title I think. "Children of the Damned" was directed by Anton
M Leader in 1964.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Keywords: Libertarian,science-fiction
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:59:06 GMT

Is it my imagination or is it true?  Going through the postings in the
rec.arts.sf.*, rec.arts.startrek groups I havew discerned a Libertarian
bias or inclination in the posting where some kind of political/social
opinion is expressed.

Also among persons of my acquaintance in science fiction interest groups I
have seen the same thing.

I am imposing my own admittedly libertarian bias to my observation, or
could it be true.

I would like your opinions for a sanity check.

Conan the Libertarian

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"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Keywords: Libertarian,science-fiction
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:22:07 GMT

In article <C02uyJ.F7n@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>Is it my imagination or is it true?  Going through the postings in the
>rec.arts.sf.*, rec.arts.startrek groups I havew discerned a Libertarian
>bias or inclination in the posting where some kind of political/social
>opinion is expressed.
>
>Also among persons of my acquaintance in science fiction interest groups I
>have seen the same thing.
>
>I am imposing my own admittedly libertarian bias to my observation, or
>could it be true.
>
>I would like your opinions for a sanity check.
>
Reality by consensus?  I guess you're not an objectivist. :-)

Anyway, I think that the proportion of libertarians in fandom is much
higher than the proportion in the general public, but not all that high.
My impression is that the majority of fen are liberals. This could be
worse--I don't agree with their politics, but at least they don't get
into obsessive revenge fantasies as much as conservatives, and thus
are apt to be better company, imho. 

Nancy Lebovitz
From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: VILLAGE OF THE DAMMNED
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

Just saw this movie the other night.  Cool flick.  I heard they made a
sequal, Children of the Damned, but not confirmed.  Has anyone else seen
this neat B&W B-movie?

J
From: eeipml@eeiuc.ericsson.se (Peter Mandal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Help!
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:28:47 GMT



Hello there Saul!

I have to sign off SF LOVERS for a few months due to
a business trip. I have tried UNS SFLOVERS to various 
listservers, and even UNS SFLOVERS GLOBAL, but have
not managed to unsub yet. Could you please unsubscribe 
me?

By the way, I really enjoy the list, though some of the
discussions about TV programs we don't have here yet are
a bit baffling!

Merry Christmas, and a happy New Year!
Have a good holiday, and peace to you and your friends 
and family.

Thanks,
          Peter
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Where is list of sf references to AI ?
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:19:11 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

A l-o-n-g time ago (a year or three, certainly before the r.a.sf split),
someone posted a list of sf references to intelligent machines.  This was
refined and improved by contributions from the net. 

Has this been archived anywhere?  If so, can someone point me to the archive?

Send the list itself to me by e-mail only as a last resort (I can accept
larger-than-normal mail messages, but some of the machines through which mail
passes to me can't). 

Thanks in advance...

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: dsanders@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (David Sanderson)
Subject: Re: Lost in Space
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:53:34 GMT

In article <lu27252@pro-smof.cts.com> wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher) writes:
>From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
>Subject: Lost in Space
>Date: 31 Dec 1992 04:46:24 -0600
>  Looking for the comic "Lost in Space", so have any of you heard or seen
>it?
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   There have been two "Lost in Space" comic books.  There was one 
recently, put out by Innovation.  I don't know anything else about this
one.

   The other series started as "Space Family Robinson" and was put out
by Gold Key in the 60's and 70's.  I used to see these quite often 7 or 8 
years ago, but recently I've only seen them on rare occasions.

    Dave
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:40:24 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <C02uyJ.F7n@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j  
kolker) writes:
> Is it my imagination or is it true?  Going through the postings in  
the
> rec.arts.sf.*, rec.arts.startrek groups I havew discerned a  
Libertarian
> bias or inclination in the posting where some kind of  
political/social
> opinion is expressed.
> 
> I am imposing my own admittedly libertarian bias to my observation,  
or
> could it be true.

No, I have an admittedly anti-libertarian bias and have
noticed the same thing.
> 


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: SF fans show libertarian inclination??
Keywords: Libertarian,science-fiction
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:08:30 GMT

kasprj@rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
>rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>
>|> rec.arts.sf.*, rec.arts.startrek groups I havew discerned a
>|> Libertarian bias or inclination in the posting where some kind
>|> of political/social opinion is expressed.
>
> What this proves to me is that people with libertarian views are more 
>inclined to bring political issues into discussions of science fiction.

Actually, it strikes me that for "Star Trek: The Next Generation" it's
the libertarians who have the most complaints about the show, where the
24th Century seems to be a victory for the best of Euro-Canadian civil
responsibility (i.e., Napoleon, Disraeli, Bismarck) and the best of US
individual rights and freedom of expression seemed to have spliced 
together ... (hey, they will have had 300 years to figure that out (-;)

Then again, the crowd that argues about what ships that Starfleet has
had over the course of 200 years and the construction of the wheel of
the Deep Space Nine space station (based purely on a few commercials)
brings into question about some people's grip on reality and ... (-;

gld
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