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From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:00:01 GMT

zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

....deleted.....
>	It works, does not it?  The Chinese in Indonesia have
>assimilated into the society and could hardly be differentiated from
>the natives.  

Whaaaattttt? There are still many chinese in Indonesia. I could easily 
distinguish them (most of them). 

Here is the real story: 
If you go to "china town" Glodok in Jakarta and try to eat chinese food,
you might be asked in chinese language by native :-)

>If it once worked, the might as well export the style to
>some other places...

It did NOT work in Indonesia and will never work in Malaysia either.

......deleted.....

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:49:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.020417.22040@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.201527.23758@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>In article <92098.231232MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>
>>>he has to learn like any other malaysians big or small that malaysia
>>>is a whole package. you cannot just open the box and take whatever you
>>>like. it is the whole box or nothing at all. as a malay, i have
>>>respect for a ruler if and only if he is just and has proven worthy of
>>>my respect. if he really loves his people, then he will pay up his
>>>taxes. this money can be used for many things.  $2.1 million can pay
>>>for a lot of new books for schools, medical supplies for the rural
>>>areas and small developments in kelantan itself.
>>
>>
>>	Let's get something straight here: the $2.1m will not go to
>>the state government, but to the federal's.  Given the federal
>>government's refusal to finance some of the Kelantan state projects
>>since PAS/Semangat 46 took power, there is no reason to believe that
>>the state government will see any of the $2.1m.  
>
>Look here, the government had a project going on which was being conducted
>by Tenaga Nasional and look what happened, the Kelantanese government
>confiscated the equipment needed for the project due to "insufficient:
>compensation.

	Well, the two sides apparently have not figured out a way to
co-exist.  It is kind of tough for the federal government to deal with
Kelantan state government when it (federal) does not even have one
representative in the Kelantan State Assembly.  Given time, they will
find a way to make this arrangement works for the betterment of the
Malays who live in Kelantan.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: Algeria and the West
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:53:41 GMT



You can use either Muslim or Moslem, depends essentially
on the actual pronounciation (i.e. where you are from).
For many in Southeast Asia, the term ' Muslim ' is more
commonly used though.

Also it is an acknowledged fact that the United States,
since the demise of Communism, is in search of a new
enemy. This has been clearly stated in the print media,
such as the International Herald Tribune, Newsweek and,
of course, TIME magazine. The search apparently points to
the so-called Islamic Fundamentalists as the next major
threat to world peace.

As a result, there seems to be an increasingly negative
potrayal of Islam, Muslims and their way of life.
Generalizations are often made, and in most cases unfair
ones are aired all over the world.

The actions of some groups however, have merely provided
the West with the examples to substantiate their claim.

I guess the point to remember is to be careful when
reading or watching reports of developments all over
the world. It is rarely unbiased. Muslims are not
the only victims of this...many others us. Just bear
in mind that many many interests are involved and
use your analytical skills to ponder properly over
what is read.

In relation to this, Southeast Asia as a region has often
been over-shadowed, negatively potrayed or totally ignored.
Only recently has there been some positive respond to
developments here. There is a need to make Southeast Asia
a dynamic region. I am not talking about economics but more
about the society and the stature. Its about time we
have a stake in this world.


- Suzaina

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Subject: Re: Zack's decison
Reply-To: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:46:27 GMT

In article <70004@ut-emx.uucp>, omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:

|> You may doubt my word, go ahead and try, write a letter to your MP, PM,
|> whoever you think whom might help you solve your problem. Do it, and you'll
|> see the result. Only if you've said is true.
|> 
|> Come back here when you have tried all of the above and yet still fail to
|> resolve your problem, then I will consider your decision to be valid.
|> 
Yes, I ALMOST did go all the way to my MP.  But, after finding out how
difficult it was to make an appointment with such busy character and 
hearing that my complain is not going to be taken seriously, I decided
that it wasn't worth the effort.  Moreover, time was against me, it's
either out or another year of torture/humiliation/suffering (I am just
speaking for myself.  Others might have a different problem with reservist
or other reason for leaving.)

Are you kidding!!! You want me to write to my MP/PM from Canada and 
try to explain everything in words.  You think they will do something 
about it after so many years (By the way, I have been away Since 1988).
I wish you were my MP then.  I wish everything was that easy like you
said.  Then, there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
I am not here to beg for your sympathy or your consideration.  I am just 
voicing out my frustration against reservist.

I can bet that you have not done any reservist before.  After you graduated
and return home to full-fill your reservist obligation, then you can come
back here and tell me how you feel.  For me, it's all over, I don't even want
to think about it.  I guess I should close my case here.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR RESPONSE.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg (Jayasooriah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Singapore National Service
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:46:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: nuscc.1992Apr7.014622.13973
Organization: National University of Singapore

zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim) writes:
: That is why I am here in 
: Canada.  Reservist sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry you havent been able to learn anything useful from your
reservist training.

: Most of the reservist officers are sick people who
: are so power crazy that they misused it to cause
: life miserable for others.  Cos' they don't have
: that power in the public.  I used to have an officer
: who used to pull rank with me by making me clean 
: his rifle, (more like an office boy type of job).

Even if we accept for the moment that there is some teeney weeney bit of
truth to your allegations, you are making a gross generalisation based
on one instance, arent you?

: I feel that if the government do not want to make
: use of my skill but rather have me charge around 
: the hill and bushes like a mad dog or become an office
: boy every year, wasting tax payers money, which I hated,
: I have to do something about it.  There is no way out
: except to immigrate which is what I did.  

There are many people (such as yourself) who think they should be put in
places where your "skills" can be made use off.  Have you considered the
possiblity that the army has more than enought people with your "skill"
that only the best get to serve in that field of their choice?

: Reservist sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enough said.

I am sorry you havent been able to make yourself more useful than as an
office boy!

Jaya

-- 
Jayasooriah PhD,    EE Dept, NUS | Sign on the  grounds of a private school: 
10 Kent Ridge Cr, Singapore 0511 |                                           
Tel/Fax: +65 772-2295 / 772-1103 |       "No trespassing without permission."
Internet:   elejaya@nuscc.nus.sg |                                           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:30:50 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr16.180606.20470@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:

>>Anybody who against their government in ANY country might be trial in
>>court and if found guilty WILL be executed.

>Not true.  FYI, a number of countries, the death penalty is banned.
>Also, in most Western democratic countries, it is an acceptable
>practice to criticise and oppose the govt.  Afterall, that is 
>what a democratic country is supposed to have.

Not true??? Do you mean "executed" = "death penalty" ??
Are you saying there is no democracy in Indonesia?

>>Hei YOU malaysian who talk much about Indonesia. YOU had better shut up
>>if you don't know the real situation in Indonesia.
>>I'm getting bored reading your bullshitting about my country!.

>A suggestion.  

Gimmeeee a breakkkkk. We (Indonesian) don't need your suggestion!
   That's why I told you to shut up.

>If you don't want to see any of my posting, press
>the kill button.  I will not shut up when human rights are being 
>abused, whether it is in Malaysia, Indonesia or anywhere else
>in the world.

Do you think I want to see your posting? Haahhh too good for you.
If I'm the only one who don't want to read your bullshit then I
will put the kill command. Unfortunately for you! Too many Indo-
nesian don't want to see your posting and don't want to reply to
your posting. 

>>   STOP BULLSHITTING OR YOU MIGHT BE GUNNED DOWN :-)
>>   FLAME OFF BEFORE ON. ANYBODY START TO FLAME ON MIGHT BE GUNNED DOWN TOO.
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>There, I rest my case.

Heheehhehe. You're under arrest :-) You will be sent to a jail house
or to a slaughter house soon. Good bye. .....Hehehehehe.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 23:12:32 EDT
From: <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A paradox?
 <1992Apr06.112037.26989@eve.wright.edu> <1992Apr07.181304.27296@bmerh2.bnr.ca>
 <1992Apr8.021220.18492@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Apr8.021220.18492@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) says:
>
>Let's see, first the sultan of Kelantan avoids paying taxes, then
>the state decides to implement the islamic law while still protecting
>the Sultan?
>
>Just what kind of moronic logic is this?
>
>Sure, i may not be going to the International Islamic University but based
>on what I had learned years ago, Islam is a religion that emphasizes
>equality among all of its ummah regardless of status quo.
>
>Islam does not advocate communism nor does it support extreme capitalism.
>
>For example, if one happens to discover buried treasure (probably happend
>a lot during those days), one had to give away a certain amount
>of the newlyfound wealth to charity in the form of zakat.
>
>Now, we have a sultan in an "Islamic" (no, the "" is not accidental) state
>which is not only extremely capitalistic but also very intent on avoiding
>the law.
>
>There is a law in Islam that requires one to follow one's leader and this
>ruling can only be disobeyed if the leader is cruel and unfair.
>
>By definition then, the Sultan of Kelantan should fall under the federal
>laws which in this case can be considered the "leader" of the Sultan.
>Putting aside all the racial arguements we've had in the past few weeks,
>the federal law can be considered generally as fair and uncruel therefore
>giving the Sultan no reason to oppose the law.
>
>By denying the implementation of the law, the Sultan has gone against this
>Islamic directive.
>
>And yet, Kelantan wishes to implement "Islamic laws"?
>
>Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.
>
>Please understand that I am not denying Islamic laws, instead, I am
>using the definition of one of the Islamic laws to prove the
>hypocrisy of the Kelantanese government.
>
>Just my .2 "kupangs".
>
>-Rezal "hope they don't pull my scholarship away" Adzly

the same rules and regulations that has ordered the sultan of kelantan to pay
his car tax is also giving him his special privelages as a constitutional
ruler of the state. i say, if he refuses to abide by one of the rules, then
why don't we deny him any other rules that comes to his advantage.

he has to learn like any other malaysians big or small that malaysia is a
whole package. you cannot just open the box and take whatever you like. it is
the whole box or nothing at all. as a malay, i have respect for a ruler if and
only if he is just and has proven worthy of my respect. if he really loves his
people, then he will pay up his taxes. this money can be used for many things.
$2.1 million can pay for a lot of new books for schools, medical supplies for
the rural areas and small developments in kelantan itself.

-firdaus azharuddin-
 diablo? i hope i can afford a proton!!!
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To Nor Aazizam -- ( was: To all you weenies.... )
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:50:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr7.185035.28987
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr6.212853.22512@sfu.ca> hchin@fraser.sfu.ca (Hong Chin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.144124.17239@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
>>certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
>>go fuck yourself.  Read what our Prime Minister said regarding our
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   Get a life boy! Why can't you restrain youself from using foul language.
>What good do you see in using these words? We all can think for ourselves
>and know which "porpoganda" to take. YOU have your own judgement and I 
>have my own. Just don't f**k around when someone's judgement is different
>from yours.

>>	Hopefully, the government will continue to log at the present
>>rate, or increase it to show to the world that we are not affected by
>>their propaganda or their pressures...
>>
>Think about it! The world is having a problem, every little contribution will
>help to slow down the global warming problem. If every country is cutting
>down trees just to catch-up ECONOMICALLY with the developed country, when do
>you think the ozone layer is going to disappear?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	You don't really know the issue at hand, yet you try to be
critical of the Malaysian government's actions!!  Shame on you.  You
can't even get your facts straight.  What does ozone depletion have to
do with logging?  Ozone depletion is caused by the abundance of CFCs
in the atmosphere.  What does logging have to do with CFCs?  What you
are concerned with is the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, and not
CFCs, because trees do not convert CFCs into some other gases...

	The is the kind of ignorance that I have been against all
along.  Here we have Fred Chin, the savior of our planet, urging his
government to stop cutting trees because it is "the thing" to do; yet
he does not know first thing about the causes that he is supporting.
Give it up!!  If this does not show other people that you are born to
be critical of the Malaysian government no matter what, I don't know
what is.

	So tell me, whose propaganda have you been listening to all
this time that warped your mind to this degree?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:26:53 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr15.144854.28947@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>From "In These Times", Dec. 18-24, 1991. p. 2
>
>	Since Indonesia invaded East Tumor in 1975 -- declaring the
>territory its 27th province in 1976 -- the island of 700,000 has lost
>200,000 people to war [against Fretilin] and famine.
                   ^^^                        ^^^^^^
If there is a war, it surely means that the occupation is not
"Welcomed".  Secondly, if there is a famine, surely, it must 
be the govt's fault in not providing the population with enough
food.  Afterall, Indonesia produces *A LOT* of food, doesn't she?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Personal Experience of Racism
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:13:18 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

Firdaus says,

>In article <1992Apr2.023523.4489@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
>chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) says:

>>Let me ralate a personal experience to the net that clearly shows the
>>racist nature of the Malaysian govt.  Two years ago, the then, Lincoln
>>college decided to split from the University of Canterbury.  They
>>eventually became Lincoln University.  As a result of the change, the
>>commerce course at Lincoln was not recognised by JPA.

>>As there were a number of Malaysians at Lincoln, the Malaysian student
>>association here, CMSA, plus the national organisation, decided to
>>get JPA to recognise Lincoln's degree.  We were quite into our
>>efforts to show JPA that the LIncoln degree has a similar academic
>>standard of the University of Canterbury's (JPA recognises U. of
>>Canterbury's degree).

>>The thing that bugs me was the reply we got from JPA.  They said, there
>>is no need to recognise Lincoln's degree because there are no Malays
>>studying there.  JPA's recognition is only necessary for govt.'s
>>jobs and the non-Malays there WOULDN'T GET A CHANCE TO WORK FOR
>>THE GOVT. ANYWAY.  What is this crap?

>did these guys actually say that you wouldn't get a chance to work for the
>gov? geez. that's bad. is there a possibility that it was just a personal
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>opinion? 
 ^^^^^^^
I quoted the "official" reply letter we got.

>i have never heard of so much crap saying that non malays can't work
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>for the gov. 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
Neither have I until I read the letter.  Gosh, where is our society 
heading to?

>sometimes it's a person's (in a gov. job) that discriminates people, in this
>case i don't think JPA is to blame. the guy probably took it into his own
>mind to reject the offer and to issue such a blatant statement.

I certainly heop this is true, but to think that one would give such 
a statement in an "official" letter...and especially after Datuk
Sulaiman Daud said he would help us in getting the recognition.

BTW, I am pleased to say that the degree is now recognised as JPA is
thinking of sending scholarship students to Lincoln.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chong@juliet.caltech.edu (Chong, Francis F. S.)
Subject: You are invited to rise above it, Zam
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.152724.1486@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes...
>	My outburst has cost me several job opportunities in Malaysia.
>I have had top managerial people sending me e-mails, telling me not to
>apply for a position in their company because of what I wrote.  Nobody
>says that being truthful will benefit me, but I took this road because
>I felt the need to let my feelings known regarding certain things.  I
>tried my best not to get involved with this newsgroup, but when Wan
>Looi and Martillo kept bombarding this newsgroup with lies and
>half-truths two years ago, I had no alternatives but to jump in, in
>order to set the records straight.

	Yes, but that was two years ago. And it is not sufficient reason to 
use obscenities. Perhaps Martillo and Looi did irritate you, but surely 
that is no reason to fill your post with such nasty words. Come, I invite you
to rise above that. You surely have the potential to achieve that. You may
find that you will be able to communicate your opinions and ideas much more
readily.

> 
>	I had a close Chinese friend at MIT a few years ago.  He is
>now working with Intel(Malaysia).  You can easily find out who this
>person is as there are not very many Malaysian who used to live in
>East Campus and are working at that multi-national company.  The guy
>seemed like a nice person, and I thought that he was my friend.  Then,
>a Malay friend of mine who is currently working at Hewlett Packard
>(Malaysia) but used to live in East Campus too, told me that the guy
>had been bad-mouthing me behind my back.  I checked this out, and I
>found out that my Malay friend was telling me the truths.  There goes
>my friendship with him (Chinese), and I have not talked to him
>ever since.
> 
>	I have not had any Chinese friends after the above incident.
> 
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
>The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
>promised to take our land and they took it.
>                                                        Red Cloud

	One swallow does not make a spring. Just as there are good and bad
in all peoples. You can surely see that. I can understand how one bad
experience might make you cautious about other Chinese, but how can you
understand more fully unless you keep trying. Try, and you might find the 
results surprisingly pleasant.

Francis Chong
Caltech