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From: lthompsn@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Rock-n-Rule on LD????
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.053909.17029@ctr.columbia.edu> Ken Urquhart <urquhart@sfu.ca> writes:
>
>As far as I can remember, Rock-n-Rule was first shown on our CBC
>television network in Canada soon after completion by Nelvana. I
>believe that was it's premiere. I have the disk and I really think
>that it was produced for television, with a TV (NTSC) aspect ratio.
>Since it was shown on a Canadian television network within months
>of completion, I doubt if it was ever released to theaters in Canada.

This is wrong, the ending credits are SQUEEZED, a great deal, indicating a
ratio of at least 1.85, possibly a bit more.



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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: help on some ld title
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:14:52 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

TL>Can someone help me on the following LD titles? (the transfer, sound
TL>quality and the movie itself)

TL>        4. Some like it Hot (LBX)

     I've only seen this one of the laserdiscs you mention.  In fact, I
     bought it the day it came out.

     Trust me, you won't be disappointed with this one.  Ted Turner has
     been doing some FANTASTIC restoration jobs with his movies on
     laserdisc, and so far I have been thrilled and amazed at the quality
     of ALL the Turner-restored discs I've seen.  I own the latest
     releases of "A Night At The Opera," "The Sea Hawk," "The Adventures
     Of Robin Hood," "North By Northwest," "The Apartment," and now
     "Some Like It Hot," and they're all terrific...

     The color in "Some Like It Hot" is crisp and crystal-clear black and
     white.  The sound is sharp and loud, and there are lots of chapter
     stops as well to make it easy to skip to your favourite scenes.
     In addition, side 3 is in CAV (thus letting you see all those
     slapstick chase scenes through the hotel, plus the "bloody aftermath"
     of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre at your leisure) and the
     theatrical trailer is also included.  Turner is making a habit of
     including trailers on his discs, and I LIKE it!

     Criterion must be cursing under their breath...
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From: lthompsn@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI defects
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:12:39 GMT

In article <92200.091801SPC1@psuvm.psu.edu> Sean Costella <SPC1@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I've looked for all the defects posted in my copy of ST VI, but have
>noticed none of them.  I personally find the recording extremely impressing.
>I was somewhat reluctant to buy it because of all the defects posted, but
>now that I see my copy is fine, I felt others may want to know.
>
>                                                        Shroom
This is a relief, actually I got rid of the defects by cleaning the disc throuroughly.   Seemed to have some junk left over from the manufacturing process
all over it.


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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Criterion Akira LD
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:01:20 GMT

So if anyones intrested, you can get Akira for $88.00 from Laser Craze
in Boston, MA, if you order before the end of July. There number is:

1-800-828-DISC

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From: mcarlsso@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mars)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.video
Subject: Fist of the North Star (US release?????)
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:02:32 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I know this ultra violent animated Jap flick is out in the UK but
what about good ol' USA???  How come we always miss out on good shit
like this or get a lame-assed dubbed version like Akira. 

C'mon, use subtitles and stop dubbing all the good foreign
releases...



mc


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From: tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: help on some LD titles? (Guys and Dolls and others)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:21:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Jul24.162102.8417
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Can someone help me on the following LD titles? (the transfer, sound
quality and the movie itself)

	1. Guys and Dolls (LBX)

	2. The Man who would be King (LBX)

	3. Sheltering Sky (LBX)

	4. Some like it Hot (LBX)

	5. Young Frankenstein

	6. The Quiet Man Special Edition Box Set

Thanks in advance.

Tzung-I
tzung@hugo.att.com
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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: help on some LD titles? (Guys and Dolls and others)
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:12:07 GMT

In <1992Jul24.162102.8417@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin) writes:

>Can someone help me on the following LD titles? (the transfer, sound
>quality and the movie itself)

>	2. The Man who would be King (LBX)

Not only would I include this as one of my ten favorite movies
of all time ("Him Baski man, ohhhh big damn head!"), but would
include it in my list of the ten nicest discs made - beautiful
picture, sound, Side 3 CAV - hard to believe it's a CBS/Fox
disc! :>  the fact that I got it for $1 from the Columbia
LD club only makes me love it more!

"We are not small men, so we are going to become Kings!"


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From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Mfg. flaw on "The Cook, The Thief ..." LD
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:03:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

Out of curiosity, was TCtT... done by the same bozo's that put out the
letterboxed Le Femme Nikita?  The transfer on that disc looked really, really
rushed as well.  The problem seems to be primarily in the source (there's
even what looks to be film "rolling").

Steve
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Excalibur LBX LD. When?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:33:07 GMT

So does anyone know what happened to the LBX Excalibur?

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From: montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg)
Subject: Re: Until The End Of The World
Organization: AOSG
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:57:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.133858.3238@sarah.albany.edu>, jim@thor.albany.edu (SCHLEMMER JAMES A) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I noticed in a recent J&R Music ad in Stereo Review that the above
|> film was available on LD.  Does this mean it's been released on VHS
|> as well or does LD not necessarily imply VHS?
|> 

Jim

	The video will be released on 7/22 (today).  I was told
	that the LD wouldn't be out until next month.  If you
	have any information on the LD release (such as length),
	I'd like to hear about it....

					Monty
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Top Laserdisc Sales - For Week Ending July 18, 1992
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:18:10 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout



TOP VIDEODISC SALES			For Week Ending July 18, 1992

	Two	Weeks
This	Wks	  on							Suggest
Week	Ago	Chart	Title						 List
----	---	-----	-----						------
  1	 10	   5	JFK						$39.98
  2	  1	   3	Cape Fear					$39.98
  3	     NEW	The Addams Family				$34.95
  4	  9	   3	Jaws						$39.98
  5	  5	   3	The Ten Commandments (35th Anniversary)		$64.95
  6	  3	   7	The Commitments					$39.98
  7	  4	  11	The Last Boy Scout				$29.98
  8	  2	   7	Freejack					$29.98
  9	  8	  29	Terminator 2: Judgement Day			$29.95
 10	  6	   3	Dead Again					$34.95
 11	 17	  27	The Golden Age Of Looney Toons ('33-48)		$99.98
 12	 15	  35	Apocalypse Now					$44.95
 13	  7	   5	Little Man Tate					$34.95
 14	 14	  13	The Fisher King					$39.95
 15	     NEW	The Golden Age Of Looney Toons: Volume Two	$99.98
 16	 11	   7	Black Robe					$34.95
 17	 13	   9	Frankie & Johnny				$34.95
 18	 12	   7	The Butcher's Wife				$34.95
 19	 16	  15	Boyz N The Hood					$34.95
 20	 20	  37	Lethal Weapon					$34.98
 21	 19	  31	The Silence Of The Lambs			$29.95
 22	     NEW	Dr. Strangelove					$89.95
 23	 25	  37	Lethal Weapon 2					$24.98
 24	 22	  25	Thelma & Louise					$29.98
 25	 21	   5	At Play In The Fields Of The Lord		$44.98

* - ITA gold certification for a minimum of 125,000 units or a dollar volume
of $9 million at suggested retail for theatrically released programs, or of at
least 25,000 units and $1 million at suggested retail for nontheatrical titles.
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From: mt87692@cs.tut.fi (Mikko Tsokkinen)
Subject: INFO: Computer Graphics LD discs
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:43:14 GMT


Few days ago I wrote:

Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,comp.graphics,rec.video
Subject: INFO SOUGHT:Computer Graphics LD discs

 Hello,

After scanning through "Laser Video File" SPRING/SUMMER 1992 edition I
found out following Computer Graphics titles. Now I would like know if
they are any good, both on educational and entertaining aspect.

Dream Machine Vol. 1-3 VOY, V1001L, VOY, V1012L, VOY, V1047L
Computer Magic: A journey into the world of computer imagery, IMG, ID7648CP

So if anybody has any of those could you post a little summary,
email preferred. I'll summary if I get any response.

Also I would like to know if Sigraph or Pixar animations are available
on LD's.

From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 02:41:39 -0400

>Those Dream Machine discs are a WASTE! Avoid them!

>Throughout the whole disk, only pieces of the full animations are shown,
>only maybe one or two are shown in their unedited version, and THEN
>maybe with voice overs.If you want a computer graphics disc, get The
>Mind's Eye and State of the Art: COmputer Graphics.

From: trussell@odin.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 10:11:07 -0500

>    If you're just looking for titles with computer graphics in them, you
>might want to check out the "Cyberpunk" disc that Voyager released.  It has
>interviews with William Gibson, etc and the back of the sleeve has some
>neat computer effects shown.

From: Allen Baylus <allen@access.digex.com>

>I have the Dream Machine, and I am not impressed with it.  I have several other
>(video tape) computer graphics videos which have most of what is show on this 
>disc, but it isn't all chopped up and un-organized.
>There are plenty of Comp Graph Videos out, and I would say (for the price) 
>steer clear of these.

>Pixar is supposed to come out eventually.  I never understood why it takes 6 
>ms for a new video/laser to come out, but pre-recorded (and oldeer movies)
>can take year.

Thank you for your opinions and suggestions!

 Mit
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From: schaedle@mpgs.enet.dec.com (Wolfgang Schaedle)
Subject: T2 - Teaser/Trailer
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:22:08 GMT

Does anybody know were I can buy or mail order the T2 - Teaser/Trailer on LD?

I heard this trailer was only for dealers availabel? Is that right? 

Thanxs,

Wolfgang

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

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Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: marks@keinstr.UUCP (Mike Marks)
Subject: Ken Crane's Laserdisc Sale Through Aug 31
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:57:26 GMT

I just wanted to let everyone know that Ken Crane's LaserDisc Sales
is having a massive summer sale good through Aug 31.  Specials include
ALIENS CAV set for $69.99, numerous overpriced $70 CBS FOX musicals are
now more bearable at $50, and some FOX widescreen releases that are normally 
$50 are now about $35.  They also have the new letterboxed DARK STAR for
only $27.  I can't remember all the titles; but you can call & ask for a sale
flier.  The best part about them is their ridiculously low shipping charge.
(They claim free shipping & call it a $1.50 "handling" charge)
I ordered 11 discs, and this 16-pound package still only cost me $1.50.
Everything was in stock, and the shipment made it from CA to OH in 8
days, including the July 4th holiday.

     Ken Crane's Laser Disc
     14260 Beach Blvd.
     Westminster   CA   92683

     (800) 624-3078 (U.S. exc CA)
     (800) 626-1768 (in CA)
     M-F:  9:00 AM - 9:00 PM PDT/PST
     SAT:  9:00 AM - 6:00 PM 
     SUN: 12:00 AM - 5:00 PM 
     Several retail locations in the LA area.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Ken Crane's, I'm just a satisfied
customer.
____________________________________________________
Mike Marks
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: James Cameron interviewed in the Summer 1992 _Perfect Vision_
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 07:44:47 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:

> 2) Abyss. Currently underway - out for holiday 1992 shopping.

This is also mentioned in the current CINEFEX (#50), which notes that
David Fein, who helped put together the ALIENS box, is now working on
suppliments for the special-edition ABYSS. 

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From: rwittick@ibm.cl.msu.edu (Bob Wittick)
Subject: Re: 10 Most significant list?
Followup-To: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.movies
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:43:14 GMT

In article <jjonsson.46@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>,
jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Jul29.204117.25879@u.washington.edu> rosenlof@milton.u.washington.edu (Karen Rosenlof) writes:
> 
> >I have heard a group of Brittish(?) film critics/historians publish a
> >list of the ten most "significant" films of all time. I'm not sure if
> >significant is to the world of film making, or the world in general, but..
> 
> >If this rings a bell for anybody, or beter yet, if anybody has a recent
> >list, presumably 1990, please mail to me.
> 
> >Thanks,
> >mike rosenlof
> >rosenlof@milton.u.washington.edu
> 
> I think you're referring to Sight & Sound's world critics top ten list. 
> They've compiled it every ten years for the last forty or fifty or 
> something, and the last one was compiled in 1982. That means a new list 
> should be forthcoming.
> 	The 1982 list, I think, had films like: Citizen Kane, The Searchers, 
> Vertigo, The Bicycle Thief, Rules of the Game, The Seventh Seal, etc. I have 
> all of the lists somewhere. I'll try and dig them up.

I bought a book recently which discusses the "Top 100 Films of all Time".
Their compilation was based on surveys of 80 film critics around the world.
Probably similar to the Sight and Sound listing.  The top ten films
listed in this book were:

   1. Citizen Kane
   2. The Rules of the Game
   3. Battleship Potemkin
   4. 8 1/2
   5. Singin' in the Rain
   6. Modern Times
   7. Wild Strawberries
   8. The Gold Rush
   9. Casablanca
  10. Rashomon

Toward the back of the book they list the "10 best" films of each of the 80
critics.  A very interesting set of lists!  I don't put a lot of stock
in such lists, but it is interesting to see what the "experts" claim
are the best films of all time.

                Bob Wittick
                Michigan State University
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From: rosenlof@milton.u.washington.edu (Karen Rosenlof)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.movies
Subject: 10 Most significant list?
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:41:17 GMT
Reply-To: rosenlof@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I have heard a group of Brittish(?) film critics/historians publish a
list of the ten most "significant" films of all time. I'm not sure if
significant is to the world of film making, or the world in general, but..

If this rings a bell for anybody, or beter yet, if anybody has a recent
list, presumably 1990, please mail to me.

Thanks,
mike rosenlof
rosenlof@milton.u.washington.edu
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Captain America direct to video
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:16:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu


A few weeks ago, I had read in the paper (Boston Globe) that the
1989(?) film Captain America was coming to video.  This movie was
advertised during that summer, yet was pulled from distribution.  I
think the video release date was listed for August. Does anyoe know
the specific date?

I had heard that Stan Lee of Marvel Comics was so disappointed with
the final product, he didn't want it to be seen, ever.  Although I
have seen this movie being sold at SciFi conventions, I was told it
would not be (legitamately) released on video.

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From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 14:35:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Mfg. flaw on "The Cook, The Thief ..." LD
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases

In rec.video.releases, jgp@zodmate.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:

> I have checked a friend's copy and it has the same problem, so it appears
> to be a manufacturing problem.  I called Vidmark (who released the disc)
> and they referred me to Pioneer, but I can't seem to get the right
> people at Pioneer.  Does anyone have the phone number to call for
> problems with Pioneer-manufactured discs (not players)?

I can send you my standard article (LD#05) on how to return a disc to
Pioneer, but in this case I doub't if it was Pioneer's fault, nor is there
likely anything that Pioneer can do about it.  The problem seems to be
either in the source materials of the film/video transfer.  My recollection
is that "Vidmark" is distributed by Image Entertainment, in which case Image
managed the video pre-mastering.  Pioneer simply mastered that tape (with
errors) to disc.

Try also returning it to your dealer.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
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                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
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From: jim@thor.albany.edu (SCHLEMMER JAMES A)
Subject: Until The End Of The World
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:38:58 GMT


Hi,

I noticed in a recent J&R Music ad in Stereo Review that the above
film was available on LD.  Does this mean it's been released on VHS
as well or does LD not necessarily imply VHS?

Thanks,

Jim

Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Excalibur LBX LD. When?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:45:54 GMT

In article <Bs7Ez8.1or@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes...

} So does anyone know what happened to the LBX Excalibur?

It was delayed for reasons not revealed by Warner, and for an unknown
length of time as well.

-- 

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	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: James Cameron interviewed in the Summer 1992 _Perfect Vision_
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:42:20 GMT

I just sent this out to rec.arts.movies and r.a.sf.movies, and I meant to send 
it here too.  Sorry if you end up reading it twice.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some good news. According to the issue, the following Laserdiscs are upcoming:

1) Terminator. There are talks going on about a Special Edition of Terminator.
No extra footage, but supplements and a new stero soundtrack will be included.
Maybe CAV.

2) Abyss. Currently underway - out for holiday 1992 shopping. Extensive extra
footage and extensive suppliments. Transfer done by Cameron and Van Ling. 
Probably priced at $100. From the interwiew - 25 minutes of extra footage, LBX
at 2.35-1 and it might even make it to the theatures ala BladerRunner.

3) Terminator II. "... sometime in 1993 we should see a collector's edition of
Terminator II. Extra footage, extensive suppliments, the works."
 
Michael


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From: jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: Re: Camera World: A Good Experience
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:14:44 GMT

Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov> writes:

>I have had very good experiences with Camera World of Oregon.  They have
>the best prices and are authorized US dealers.  I bought a Sony MDP-333
>there for only $389 including shipping and handling and full US warranty.
> I highly recommend calling them first for the best prices.

I also have recently had a good experience with CWO. On the
recommendation of several members of this new group. I bought a Sony
TR-81 last week from CWO. Paid 909.95 + 20 shipping. Ordered it on
Wednesday, came on Friday!

--John
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