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From: toddalex@engin.umich.edu (Todd  michael Alexander )
Subject: spray and pray
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:44:47 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


With all the talk about paintball not being a strategy game anymore due to semis(and 
pumps), I just had to put in my two cents.

I have just recently finished participating in two BIG GAMES, one at Silver Lake,MI and 
one in Middletown, OH.  At both games I came up against semis in mass quantities throwing
large amounts of paint.  I use a Razorback III and can't keep up with their rate of fire.
However, using stealth and flanking movements I have been more than able to make up for 
the lack of rate of fire.  For those who complain about paint throwers having an advantage, 
I say use your head and you will make that person at least work hard to get you.  At both 
these games, I went through less than 1000 rounds in two days of play and still had a tag
ratio of 3 to 1 at least.  I will admit sometimes I had to go auto-trigger, but most of 
the people I tagged were one shot types.  Probably the most significant part of my Ohio
game was when a teammate and I encountered a force of the other team on top of a steep hill.
It was in the last hour of the game and the two of us had our backs to a flag we had just
captured, and we sure didn't want to lose it.  So we proceeded to crawl up the hill and 
tag one or two players on the way. I had been in the game for about 5 hours at this point, 
and the 200 rounds I was carrying were getting low.  I made it to the top of the hill and
could pick out 3 of the other team in the brush.  I began my stalking even though my loader
contained no more than a dozen balls.  Just when I began to get into good position, one of 
my targets yelled for help and about ten more players crossed into our area.  My first reaction 
was to double time down the hill to my partners position.  He wasn't much better off than I so 
we retreated to the bottom of the hill and waited for them. While waiting we split our reamaining
paint.  When the other team moved on us they poured paint into the brush while shouting for our
surrender.  The firing only gave away their position and soon 3 of them were on their way to 
the parking lot.  Since they were losing players and hadn't hit us they moved back up slowly,
with us on their tails.  By the time we reached the top, I was out of paint and my partner
was scraping bottom.  We then began moving from side to side and fired when we saw an
exposed target.  Well, even though I was out of paint they were so gun shy from having
their friends taken out, that they hit cover even when I was only making noise.  My teammate
and I kept their group at bay for about half an hour, at the end of which we were both 
only making noise.  

I propose that instead of whining about too much paint being thrown, learn to move on your 
opponent so that he/she doesn't know you are there.  They will give their position away by
firing at any sound so you can use a friend to draw their fire.  Just because a person 
throws paint doesn't mean you are going to be taken out by them.  

Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: tha54178@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hordemaster )
Subject: Crosman guns
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:51:51 GMT

I have heard that Crosman made a .68 cal. paintball barrel for the Model 
.357 pellet pistol...I am looking for a place near Urbana-Champaign, IL
(University of IL) where I could buy/order one...thanx...
			Travis Atchison
From: wtk@po.cwru.edu (Will Kahle)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Effectiveness of Black Rain conversion
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:47:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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I have owned a PMI-3 for over a year now and I have made many changes to 
increase it's accuracy.  What I want to know is if the Black Rain conversion 
is really worth $250.  If anyone has had first hand experience with the 
Black Rain conversion, I would appreciate any information about it.  Thank 
you.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Black Rain conversion
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:24:12 GMT

Could you post the address of the company? I've never heard of the Automag 
version.

Anyone out there have any experience with it?

Aaron Gillum
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Subject: Effectiveness of Black Rain conversion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:23:18 GMT

I talked to a salesperson at Master of the Game, which sells the Black Rain
conversion.  They told me that the conversion also increases the number of
shots that you get out of a C/A tank.  For instance, for a 7 oz tank instead
of between 250-300 rounds, you might get something in the range of 600-700
rounds using the Black Rain conversion.  The salesperson said something about
when using the conversion with liquid CO2, for every shot of liquid into the
gun, you get something like 2 shots.  I have a brochure from them about
the Black Rain conversion as well as the Whispering Death conversion for the
Automag.  If you want I will post the brochure, I don't think that it says
very much though.
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From: jonwllms@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (John Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Overcoming Shyness?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:31:50 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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smbailey@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
: Hi! Does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome shyness?
: All replies would be very much appreciated.

Buy a MoDem. Seriously.

I am a much more outgoing person once I learned how to comunicate 
via the local BBS systems. I'm still rather shy, but not near as much
as I used to be. 

It takes awhile to break into discussion, but once you realize that there
are all _sorts_ of people willing to listen to you, it gives you
a little bit more self respect - and I think lack of self-respect is 
realy the heart of shyness. Although, I'm not a psycologist.

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From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: It's you against the cultural elites!
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:18:10 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>More parents may be
>horrified to learn that their child wants to be a movie director. It's an
>"un-professional, unstable, insecure" job, my parents would say. I had an
>electric guitar, and they were afraid that I would love it so much that I
>would become a guitarist, as if that were a bad thing in itself... 

Yes, here you are correctly describing an unthinking, irrational prejudice.
The parents you describe are condemning something based on stereotypes and
rumor, without really thinking about it.

>As long as those views persist and parents discourage their children from
>making those types of career choices, then the arts/entertainment industry
>will be flooded with the cultural elites we have now.
> [...]
>And due to the inactive roles of "the family guard", Hollywood is marked by
>an imbalance of liberal-minded directors, actors, screenwriters, and so
>forth.

Here you are EXHIBITING an equally unthinking, irrational prejudice, also
based on stereotypes and rumor.

The United States ranks #1 in the world in the percent of its population
in prison, even above South Africa and well above the former Soviet Union.
The United States spends more money per capita on health care than any
other country, but our infant mortality rate is higher than 20 other
countries -- because the money we spend is wasted on inefficient private
insurance arrangements and on unnecessary luxury care for the rich, while
most Americans get worse health care than the citizens of any other
industrial country.

Maybe some "liberal-minded" thinking would be a good idea.

If the media were as liberal as you say, they would expose George Bush's
lies instead of just reporting what he says as if it were true.  When
Bush told us about fighting for human rights in the Gulf War, for example,
the media might have told us:
	- about Bush's personal stake in the war through his family's
	  ownership of oil companies
	- about the human rights abuses in Kuwait, just as bad as Iraq,
	  and the even worse abuses in Syria, with which the US allied
	  (and still allies) itself in the war
	- about the thousands of Iraqi 17-year-olds, disarmed and trying
	  to surrender, who were buried alive by US bulldozers.
Instead the media just said "support our troops, support our troops" as if
that meant anything, as if our troops wanted to be there.
From: jonwllms@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (John Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Youth Protection
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:10:53 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
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lynda@mozart.Physics.McGill.CA (Lynda Corkum) writes:
:  
: The report was filed because last year my daughter, who was twelve at the  
: time, during a school dance decided to take 27 aspirins crushed up in a  
: coca cola and was then rushed by ambulance to the children's hospital  
: where she spent three days in the Psychiatric Ward and had heavy duty  
: psychiatric evaluations. Of course, initially they treated it as a suicide  
: attempt (I still cringe to think of it!), and after all the evaluations I  
: was told by several different psychiatrists that she is not suicidal and  
: that further counselling was not necessary.
:  

I haven't heard anything about this group, but I do have some two cents to 
put in.  

It seems to me that the Asprin incident was mearly a case of not thinking 
properly. I've done some realy stupid things myself - I think that there are
some adolecents that have some sort of circuiy breaker that cuts off all
rational thought every once in awhile. 27 Asprin is a little extreme, but
I doubt that it is grounds for extended, imposed counciling.

: This week, at school she had a conversation with a girlfriend about a boy  
: she liked and told her friend `tell him to call me, it's a matter of life  
: or death'. Another friend overheard this and told a school official and I  
: was called at work and told that my daughter was threatening to commit  
: suicide. After frantically racing home and finding my daughter in one  
: piece, she was totally surprised that I had received that call. I don't  
: resent the call because if I really considered her suicidal I would want  
: people to be intervening; however, now I am made to feel that I am not a  
: good parent and am being TOLD what to do, feel, think, etc.
:   

Well, now, I have threatened to kill my best friends if they diddn't get
my favorite compact disk back in one piece...but I never actualy ment it. I
am sure that the party who made the phone call over-reacted - but with being
told in school to take all sucideal type statements seriously, I'm not suprised
something like this happened. In high school, they told us that if someone said
something like that, or joked about suicide, etc, that they had actualy         
_planned_ killing themselves. I diddn't think so, but others might. 

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Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Use of Family car
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Sep25.172409.15265@tellab5.tellabs.com>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:13:18 GMT

>This is simply not true,  When I was a senior in high school, I road the bus.
>Most seniors rode the bus.  A few kids whose parents spoiled them or had
>bought their own car with their own savings from working drove.

I think there is a tedency for parents to forget that their high school age
kids live in a world with social norms. While it may have been that "most
seniors rode the bus" in in Mr. Silver's day AND social environment, it does
not automatically follow that the same is true for Mr. Church's daughter. I am
not advocating that we as parents should buy our children cars so they can
remain or become socially accepted. I am saying that there should be some open
dialog, TWO WAY (this means that we parents must really listen and try to
understand to what our kids are saying). Parents need to make an effort to
understand their children's position and opinions. Once a decision is made, for
or against, it should be clearly explained and discussed.

An example from my own life. My mother decided that boxer shorts were
uncomfortable and that briefs were better. When I got into Jr. high and had to
deal with Gym class I was continually teased for wearing briefs. When I told my
mother I wanted boxer shorts she refused to buy them. I, to this day, to not
know how she came to know that boxer shorts are uncomfortable. She never made
any effort to find out why I wanted boxer shorts.

This may seem like a minor thing but it examplifies the lack of communication
that exists between parents and children. Most "children" that I have dealt
with are much more willing to deal with a decision that goes against their own
desires if the reasons for the decision are explained plainly and honestly.

smittie


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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Cultural elitism as a problem?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:28:08 GMT

Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:

>"cultural elitism" is a catch word which maybe I should have avoided
>because it's obviously created responses of misunderstanding. By "cultural
>elites" I'm not referring to a snotty, smarter-than-thou class in general
>(what good does that label do?). Cultural elites refers EXACTLY to what the
>two words mean, and take a look at them again! The top echelon of those who
>determine American culture in the arts and the media. I am hardly one, and
>probably, neither are you. It's an issue of power (which no one got the
>main point, even though I capslocked the whole thing!!!) that we're all
>subservient to.

Right, sort of. You added a few words to your "exactly what those two
words mean" part. Cultural elite does mean those who shape culture...
but that is not necesarily limited to Hollywood. People in Washington
shape culture. People in NYC shape culture. People in your small town
shape culture (for that area). Granted, some have more power in 
shaping culture than others but obviously someone who tries to ban
books in a school library has an affect on those students.

>This IS NOT an issue of conservatism against liberalism. THE FIRST AND
>FOREMOST QUESTION THAT IS BEING BROUGHT UP IS: IS AMERICAN CULTURE AND THE
>AMERICAN MIND SHAPED DISPROPORTIONATELY BY WHAT HE/SHE SEES ON TV, THE
>THEATRES OR LISTENS TO ON THE RADIO? And if so, shouldn't we address the
>fact that an imbalance exists in Hollywood, and often one POV gets
>predominantly expressed (like I corrected myself, the television news
>networks is a different arena, which actually may be imbalanced by
>conservatism judging by the Gulf War coverage). 

Why don't we address the causes of that disproportionality? Instead
of saying, "Parents should be more responsible for bringing up your
kids" your are legitimizing the "TV as a babysitter" idea. You are saying,
"Change Hollywood so parents don't have to do anything." Now, maybe
addressing the imbalance is part of it. BUT IT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT
THE BE ALL AND END ALL SOLUTION!

============================================================================
BRI FARENELL				"Violence is the last refuge of the
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU     	 incompetent."  --Salvor Hardin	
CLARKSON '95
A politically incorrect, pro-life, liberal, card-carrying member of the ACLU.
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"If you choose not to decide, you have still made a choice."   
	---RUSH ("Free Will")
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Youth Protection
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:58:04 GMT

>Twelve year olds can be hard to get sense out of, but talking never hurt.
>( Lecturing and Interrogating however ... )

Taking the liberty of trying to put someone else's statements more
succinctly...

LISTENING and making a sincere effort to understand cannot do any harm and has
immense potential for doing vast amounts of good. I have far too many friends
who expect their kids to listen and obey but never bother to consider that the
kids have thoughts and feelings that deserve consideration.

smittie
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From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: YOUTH IN GOVERNMENT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 12:59:10 GMT

My teen, who is a junior in HS, has been offered to join the YMCA sponsored
Youth in Government (at a total cost of $400).  She is selling it to us on
the point that when colleges are looking at candidates, they look for that
kind of extra curricular activity.  Is this true?  The kids were also told
that after the initial $75 deposit, most of the money is made up through
fund raisers, & there are 2 mini- camps included with that cost.  Any input
is appreciated.
Pamela
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: Teenage 'men'
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:52:42 GMT

Hiya!  I'm a 21 yr old university student who's been lurking around for
a bit.  Let me tell you that there are lkots of teenage males who
have a very antiquated notion of what it is to be a 'real man' out
there - and they grow up into university aged males who at the best
toy with women and then dump them; date rapes seeem to be on the rise,
at the other end of the spectrum.

I sometimes feel that I'm caught between two generations of men - one
group where there was a lot of wawareness about how important it is
to generate an atmosphere of eqwuality between the sexes, which is
older than myself, and one group slightly younger where perhaps the
emphasis on establishing this equality dropped out and old
prejudices began to creep back in.

I'd hesitate to call this a backlash against feminism, but from my
own perspective there is a subtle cahange in attitude developing
which appears to be leading backwards.

If I ever have children, I would hope to influence any sons I might
have towards a more egalitarian view, and I guess what I'm saying is,
hey you parents out there, do it now. :-)

And good luck.

					Jen Marsd, err, Mars
					(hoping to get the del key
						working some day:))
Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens
Subject: Re: Youth Protection
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:14:03 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1992Sep30.214208.19803@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> lynda@mozart.Physics.McGill.CA writes:

> [omitted]
 
> The report was filed because last year my daughter, who was twelve at the  
> time, during a school dance decided to take 27 aspirins crushed up in a  
> coca cola and was then rushed by ambulance to the children's hospital  
> where she spent three days in the Psychiatric Ward and had heavy duty  
> psychiatric evaluations. Of course, initially they treated it as a suicide  

  [...]

I don't know about the social service laws in Canada, but it really does sound
overblown to me.  I have two somewhat relevantly similar experiences, both in
the U.S.A.:

1) One of my best friends in college took a bottle of aspirin as a young
teenager.  Yes, her life was stressful & she could have been much happier.  But
she reported that none of the interventions the social services attempted were
at all helpful.  What helped her was graduating from high school & getting on
into college where her talents were more able to flourish.

2) Years ago, my kindergarten-aged daughter told her teacher that she never ate
breakfast (true), so our "single-parent family" got referred to a nosey social
worker.  At first the social worker just asked if I needed financial assistance
for purchasing food (no), & gave me lots of statistics about how important
breakfast was w.r.t. children's learning in school.  But when she kept asking
my kid if she'd eaten breakfast that morning, & kid kept saying "no", social
worker started getting much more heavy-handed, threatening to file a report of
"child-neglect" if I didn't start giving her breakfast.  So I started serving
breakfast every a.m.  Thing is, kid wouldn't eat it (now 17, she NEVER has been
a breakfast-eater).  Social worker started getting more threatening.  So I
FORCED kid to eat breakfast a few times.  Each time, she threw up on the bus or
else just after arriving at school.  Social worker inquired about "new symptoms
of stress".  I told her that if she insisted that Kid had to eat breakfast, no
matter what, then someone was just going to have to stand by to clean up the
Barf, 'cause that's what happens when this particular kid is made to eat
breakfast in the morning.  Funny thing: after that, Ms. Nosey Social Worker
left us alone.  Moral of this story:  if your relationship with your daughter
is basically good, or in the process of improving, don't let the government
intimidate you into thinking that it knows better than you do about your
particular family situation.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
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