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From: watanabe@sunflower.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: watches
Keywords: timing pace
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:06:17 GMT

I am thinking of buying a watch for timing myself in the pool.
I am very short-sighted, so unless I get a lane very close to the 
pace-clock it is difficult to time myself.

It is also handy to be able to read the time if I need to meet
someone afterwards.

Anyways, I was surprised at the advances in watch technology.
There seem to be many specialized watches, e.g. for triathlon.
However, to my mind these triathlon watches are not very 
suitable for a swimmer because:

	1. Don't want to bother other swimmers with a lot of beeping
	2. Most workouts are designed around a pace-clock, so 
		don't really need all those fancy timing/recording
	3. Don't want to bother hitting those buttons at each end
		of the pool
	4. For some watches they say it is not a good idea to push
		the buttons underwatcher. But, it is hard to try
		and bother about this.

So, I wondering if anyone has found these specialized watches to 
have any advantages over say a plain analog watch with a second hand.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that what I 
really wanted was a "pace clock on a wrist".

What are other people's experiences and recommendations?

-Larry Watanabe
From: culverma@milton.u.washington.edu (Real life? Yeah right!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Water Polo for Amatuers (sp)
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:18:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.011835.2318
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <dennis.717539950@marie> dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:
>In <1992Sep26.183302.26831@cs.yale.edu> kaminsky-david@CS.YALE.EDU (David Kaminsky) writes:
>
>>	I have very bad vision and wear my contacts (and good 
>>goggles) when I lap swim.  What can a person with bad vision do 
>>when playing water polo?  I would think that goggles can easily be 
>>dislodged while playing.
>
>I use soft contacts and it works very well. I wear them since almost
>two years every time I have training or a match and I never lost them.
>
>I can't imagine to play waterpolo with goggles because the danger
>of injuries is quite high...
>
>Dennis
>---
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From: leigh@wrs.com (Leigh Barker)
Subject: Re: watches
Keywords: timing pace
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:03:24 GMT

watanabe@sunflower.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:

>I am thinking of buying a watch for timing myself in the pool.
>I am very short-sighted, so unless I get a lane very close to the 
>pace-clock it is difficult to time myself.

>It is also handy to be able to read the time if I need to meet
>someone afterwards.

>-Larry Watanabe

I use one of the inexpensive Casio's. I`ve had 3 in the last 10
years, and they generally cost on the order of $20. They have 5
functions, including stopwatch. I simply synchronize with the
pace clock before removing my glasses, and I'm independent for
the entire workout. I can even be the lead swimmer in my circle,
if I can't talk anyone else into it. 8^)

Of course, since I got my new prescription Speedo's at Big5, I
can see the pace clock, but the watch is a habit by now.

Leigh
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From: stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu (Cheryl Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Lake Swimming/Open Water Swimming
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:58:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep30.155858.5571
Reply-To: stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu
Organization: Dept. of Earth & Planetary Sciences, Harvard University


Why do power boats always take precedence over swimmers?

A couple years ago, the Ithaca Times ran a story about a
police officer with the duty of zooming around in a power
boat in order to police other power boat users.  

The only two swimming areas on Lake Cayuga are two pathetic
little 75 yard swimming areas, with power-boat launches on 
either side.  

Still, people like to swim across the lake because its a mile
wide.  Usually a little dinghy with an "egg-beater" engine
will accompany.

Mr. Serve and Protect Police officer offered in his interview
with the Ithaca times that this was "stupid" of the swimmers.
to endanger themselves this way, what with all the power boats
who of course had the god-given RIGHT to zoom around at top
speed.

Personally, I think that power-boat owners are a whole lot
more stupid than swimmers, what with the way they pollute the
water, endanger themselves and others zooming around on tiny
little lakes stoked up on a sixpack of beer....really now,
who is the stupid party here?

I think it's stupid to even allow power-boats on lakes at
all, since it endangers swimmers, fish, algae, kayakers and
canoeists.  

So where are the militant lake swimmers?  Are we here, or what?

Ban the Boats,

Cheryl
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From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Subject: Re: USMS convention highlights
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.163930.10024@tfs.com> tab@tfs.com (Theresa Breckon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.162324.24590@morrow.stanford.edu> paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque) writes:
>>Here are a few highlights from the Unites States Masters Swimming
>>convention held in Minneapolis last week:
>
>How about the fun stuff? At the conventions I've been at, the Masters
>group always put on the funniest skit at the awards dinner (although
>a couple of years ago Waterpolo gave them a run). How about a recap
>of the skits performed?

OK, you asked for it.  The honoree for the Ransom J. Arthur award this
year was Walt Reid, generally a low key type fellow, who doen't lend 
himself to roasting very well.  But we did get a few slides from his wife,
and we presented the Synchronized Masters to the tune of Achy Breaky
Heart (that song that just won the award, I don't know how to spell
the title).  We had a bunch of Masters, along with some of the girls
from synchronized swimming, dancing in the aisles.  Everyone in the 
audience got into the act and was clapping.

What's more interesting is the contest we had in the Masters Hospitality
Suite after the banquet.  However, I'm not sure if it is fit for public
consumption.  I did, however, get some good photos of our delegates, 
including the executive committee, using Alka Seltzer, condoms, and glasses
half full of water (this is something else we learned from the synchronized
swimmers).

Julie



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From: guyon@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Denis Guyon)
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:24:52 GMT

watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:

>We have ultra swim at Walgreen's. I think NEXUS also makes something
>to take out chlorine.

They call it Aloe Rid.  It's the only thing that works for me.
From: ross@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: LAKES in PA and NJ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:56:03 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility


	I would like to get some more practice swimming in open water 
(specifically lake swimming) in preparation for the few triathlons that
I do each year that have lake swims.  Does anybody know of any lakes in
Pennsylvania or Southern New Jersey (fairly close to Philadelphia) that are
used for swimming?  Once when I went to Germany I visisted a "beach" with
a man-made lake that was used exclusively for swimming.  It was super and
even had a small island to which you could swim.  Now if I could only find
something like that around here.  The lakes that I swim in for the triathlons
are only open for swimming on the race day, all other days swimming is
not permitted since they are used for fishing and boating.
-- 

			--- Andy Ross ---
                    University of Pennsylvania

                    ross@mscf.med.upenn.edu
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: USMS convention highlights
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:10:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
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In article 24590@morrow.stanford.edu, paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque) writes:
>Here are a few highlights from the Unites States Masters Swimming
>convention held in Minneapolis last week:
>
> <...stuff deleted...>
>
>-the rules for relays were tightened up so that a relay must swim in
>the age group determined by the youngest swimmer (for short course yards).
>In other words, if your youngest swimmer is 26, you must swim in the 25+
>age group, you cannot swim in the 19+ age group.  For long course the age 
>groups are now capped, i.e., 76-79, 100-119, 120-159, etc.
>
> <...stuff deleted...>


Julie,

Why the difference in rules between short course and long course?  Does it
have anything to do with US Masters vs. international Masters?

Tim
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 08:38:09 CDT
From: Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Goggle recommandation?
 <1992Sep26.134543.116@kenyon.edu> <1992Oct6.030422.14357@news2.cis.umn.edu>

In article <1992Sep25.051301.24867@news.columbia.edu>,
hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>>> Swimmers,
>>>
>>> I've tried quite a few goggles, but haven't found a perfect one yet.  They
>>> always leak at the jump start (or what ta ya call it) or at pushing off the
>>> wall.  I'm wondering what models the competative swimmers waer.  Please
>>> recommand what's good for you.
>>> Tnx a ton.
>>> Happy swimming,

Based on a thread that went throuth this newsgroup a few months ago, I picked-
up a pair of Speedo "Sweedish" goggles a few weeks ago.  They have no foam or
rubber seal and take a bit of getting used to, but I love them.  I can push
off the wall with my head in any position I want w/o flooding them.  I have
logged about 50 km in the pool with them (3-4 km at a time) and have only had
water in them twice (both my "fault", not the goggles).  Best yet, they
only cost $4.50.

  -- Chuck Amsler       U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU

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From: steveg@src.dec.com (Steve Glassman)
Subject: Stanford Water Polo results (men)
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:34:17 GMT

Since there is some water polo interest in this group, I'll try to
post whatever water polo results I can find.  I hope others do
too.

All information from the Stanford Daily, Sep. 28, 1992

Stanford's water polo team is ranked fourth nationally, the
article isn't clear but I believe that UC Berkeley, Pepperdine
and UC Irvine are ranked 1, 2, and 3.  

At the UC Irvine tournament, Stanford beat Navy 13-4, lost to Pepperdine 6-5,
beat Irvine 8-4, Long Beach 11-3 and UC Santa Barbara 12-7.  At home last
week they beat Pacifica 12-3 and UC Davis 14-5.

This weekend there is the Nor-Cal tournament at Stanford.  Next week 
Stanford plaes USC and UCLA.
From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:25:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences

>In article <1992Oct2.164856.25867@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
>On a related note, anyone want to recommend a good shampoo or conditioner
>that REALLY washes out the clorine? Preferably commercially available and
>not $100 per ounce...
>
I find that every time I use a new shampoo I think, "Hey, this stuff
is great!". Then, after a while, it seems to be not so great any more.
It seems that some shampoos are great for getting some junk out of 
your hair, but leave their own residue. So my stategy now is to use
a different shampoo every time I wash my hair (at the pool or not),
rotating through about 4 different brands.

--
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Seismic Tomography Project      
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University
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From: murphyc@ava.bcc.orst.edu (Chris Murphy)
Subject: Re: watches
Keywords: timing pace
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:47:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.210617.17739@m.cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@sunflower.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>What are other people's experiences and recommendations?

I have used a Timex Triathlon ever since getting it for a birthday present
in 1986.  I have used it for literally hundreds of swim workouts since that
time.  I have pressed the buttons underwater with no ill effects, and I have
replaced the battery with no compromise of its water resistance.  I have had
no problems hitting the buttons at the end of a lap--if I want to do it 
while I'm swimming, I do an open turn, then hit the button.

The model I have handles up to 99 laps, although it stores only the last 8 in
memory (if you use more than 8 laps, the running total continues to display
along with whichever of the 8 laps is displayed).  I understand Timex has a 
new Ironman watch with 50 lap recall--there is a discussion about it on the 
rec.sport.triathlon newsgroup.

I have used and abused this watch, beat it up (the printing on the case is no
longer visible), and used it for all kinds of workouts as well as my morning
alarm clock for the last 6 years.  I am on only my second battery.

Although the 8 lap memory limits what you can record, you can go over it with
a little thought, e.g., because a running total is displayed, you can 
use subtraction to get your previous lap.  Sometimes I take a specified rest
interval, like 10 seconds, and I later subtract the 10 seconds from the lap 
time to get my swim split.  Five swim intervals is what the memory will record 
if you want to record your rest interval too.  I can record more than five if 
I use memory (MY memory) tricks.  Because the watch has an independent 
stopwatch feature, I sometimes use it to record long sets by starting the 
countdown from 1 hour and subtracting the elapsed time.  You can have both 
countdown and lap functions running simultaneously.  

I have also used my watch in combination with the pace clock--using the pace 
clock to send me off on short intervals (keeping my splits in my memory), and 
using the watch to record my longer intervals.  If all you want is a send off
time, just hit the button and push off, then hit the button again when that 
lap's time hits your interval.  I find the display big enough to see through 
my goggles

All in all, a very fine watch--it has served me well.

Chris Murphy  murphyc@bcc.orst.edu

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From: kathys@meaddata.com (Kathy Henke)
Subject: Swimmers Shampoo
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:09:51 GMT
Distribution: usa

Last summer I tried some shampoo for swimmers that was made by Arena and 
it removed chlorine better than anything else I've ever tried.
Now I can't seem to find it in any of the local sporting goods shops.
Does anyone else either know how I can order it directly from Arena, or
know of a store that carries it?  Thanks for any help! 

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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Treatment for swimmer's ear
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:00:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvo7xo.A50
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:


>	I'm starting to suffer from what seems to be a small fungus
>infection in my left ear, swimmer's ear.

>	Does anyone have any recommendations for treatment?  I'd prefered
>home treatments but prescription medication is fine also.

	As long as it's an outer ear infection we're talking about here,
you do not need to see a doctor.  Go to almost any drug store like Osco
or Walgreen's and buy a "Swimmer's Ear" bottle.  I've seen them there
before.  When I was in high school my coach had a bottle of liquid that
we could squirt into our ears.  We then would let it fizzle for a while
and then drain it out.  You should do this with the above stuff too.  The
liquid was either some kind of alcohol or hydrogen peroxide.  I think
both will work but you can ask your local drug store person if you want
to make sure.
	It's really no big deal, no need to overly concern yourself with
it.  Just be sure to handle it right away and you'll have no problems.
	I almost forgot, you can tell if it's an outer ear infection if
it hurts more and possibly burns when you gently pull on your earlobe.
Another indication is that fizzling sound I was telling you about above.
If it is a middle or inner ear infection, pulling on the earlobe should
not cause any change in your feeling of discomfort.
	Hope this helps.
								Peder
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From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Goggle recommandation?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:16:34 GMT

Chuck Amsler <U52809@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Based on a thread that went throuth this newsgroup a few months ago, I picked-
>up a pair of Speedo "Sweedish" goggles a few weeks ago.  They have no foam or
>rubber seal and take a bit of getting used to, ...

What DO they have to make a seal?

-Larry Watanabe watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:01:26 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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In article <1992Oct2.164856.25867@webo.dg.com> fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
#>On a related note, anyone want to recommend a good shampoo or conditioner
#>that REALLY washes out the clorine? Preferably commercially available and
#>not $100 per ounce...
#>
#>						Mike Fishman

The best thing I've tried is Redken's Climatress,
available in beauty shops. It is somewhat expensive--
though you don't need much--and you have to leave
it on for about 5 minutes. Since I'm fairly bald,
I've stopped using it. Baldness is probably the
best solution for men. (:<{)

Incidentally, Consumer Reports periodically evaluates
shampoos and concludes that they are all based on essentially
the same ingredients. They recommend buying the cheapest.
I find the cheapest and easiest thing to use is a shampoo/
conditioner combination.

Steve Goldfield
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:37:18 GMT

kathys@meaddata.com (Kathy Henke) writes:

>Last summer I tried some shampoo for swimmers that was made by Arena and 
>it removed chlorine better than anything else I've ever tried.
>Now I can't seem to find it in any of the local sporting goods shops.
>Does anyone else either know how I can order it directly from Arena, or
>know of a store that carries it?  Thanks for any help! 

Are you talking about Ultra Swim?  I once used the stuff when I was little
but I found that any shampoo and conditioner would work better.  The only
thing you have to remember is that the longer you swim, the longer you keep
the conditioner in.  I usually wait about a minute before washing it out.

More about Ultra Swim: my hair never felt as good as it did with almost any
other shampoo and conditioner, the bottle would ALWAYS break somehow in my
bag (I wonder if they ever fixed that problem) and it didn't smell very 
good to me.  This is all just my opinion of course.

If you really want it anyway, I'll post some phone numbers later, if I can
find some old catalogs.  Does anyone else have any numbers?

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From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Swimmers Shampoo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:48:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

On a related note, anyone want to recommend a good shampoo or conditioner
that REALLY washes out the clorine? Preferably commercially available and
not $100 per ounce...

						Mike Fishman
				       (2000 yds / day and growing...)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 21:51:16 -0400 
From: Geoffrey Wayne Waller <gw23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Where can I swim in St. Louis?


I've been living in St. Louis my whole life and I've been swimming for 9
years, the past 8 have been with the Parkway Swim Club.  It's a USS team
but as far as I remember, it had a masters swim team.  If it doesn't,
there are plenty of other swim teams out there, too, with masters
swimming.  There's the Rockwood Swim Team, Clayton Shaw Park, a lot of
YMCA's, and other's I can't think of.  I'm not sure if Wash. U. has a
master's program, but if you contact Craig Penrose who coached the
masters team for Parkway, I'm sure he'll give you information.  He lives
in St. Charles, MO..  You can obtain his number from the  operator or
from the Parkway Swim Club office.  Hope this was any help.

Wally
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