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From: jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?
Keywords: sneva cart indy
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:20:01 GMT

slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:


>> I asked about how to improve the safety of the Indy cars. He said,
>> "Move the driver back. This will allow them to build a U shaped fuel
>> cell around the driver to help protect him and will keep the driver's
>> feet out of the way in a frontal crash."  I asked why they haven't
>> done it. Much head shaking a mumbling about the technical directors.

>What a concept!  Protect the driver by wrapping methanol around him...
>I guess it could work, though....


>Chuck Slana
>AT&T Bell Labs
>Naperville, IL
>email: ..!att!ihlpm!slana
>   or  slana@ihlpm.att.com

I did talk to him in more detail about this and he seemed fairly
confident in the safety of the fuel cell and wasn't too worried
about it rupturing. The benefits of having the fuel cell material and
the fuel absorb crash energy seemed to outweigh the negatives of a
possible fuel cell rupture and resulting fire in his mind.

I may be mistaken, but I believe F1 cars surround the driver with the
fuel cell.  They carry a lot more fuel and there is only so much room
to fit it into.

--John
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From: garye@voodoo.boeing.com (Gary Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Misc. Weekend Ramblings
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:28:46 GMT
Distribution: na

> In article <1992Jul25.001930.1880@grebyn.com> dougw@grebyn.com (Doug Worthington) writes:
> Correct, infact, the last time Michael left the pits, he agina put his
> two left side wheels over the yellow line.

Doesn't the rule require that at least 2 wheels be inside the yellow line at pit exit?
-- 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:51:11 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna and Me...

In article <5133@transfer.stratus.com>, pr@last.pubs.stratus.com (Paul Ryan)
says:

>Senna may retire for the rest of the season "rather than risk my life to
>finish third", because he doesn't have a competetive car.
If you were paying me $12 million a season, how would you feel if
I did not give it my all? I realize that he is risking his life, but
he did sign a contract. As for his car being competitive, he and
his teammate are the only others who have scored wins this season.
He held Patrese off for second .  Patrese never looked like he had
the power to pass Senna. The car may not be the fastest, but it can win.
Look at Canada and Monte Carlo. In Canada, both Williams cars went out.
Mansell could not wait to pass Senna and made a bad mistake. At Monaco,
luck handed Senna the victory, but he had to have a car that would
was strong enough to hold mansell off. The McLaren/Honda may not be the
best, but it can win.


>I can understand that, and actually feel the same way myself. I'm not
>driving this year because no one offered me a competitive ride...
Just imagine what team sports would be like if the players had this
attitude. Erik Dickerson may never have played. Along with him we
would see players like Walter Payton, Dick Butkus, O.J. Simpson and
Steve Largent to name a few. These guys played on some losing teams, but
loved the sport to much to sit out. I would love to race, I don't
care whether I had a chance to win or not. I have played soccer since
I was about 8, so for the last 20 years. I ve played on teams that
never won and teams that never lost. Never did I stop playing. It was
all fun. Yes even losing was ok. I learned a lot about soccer on those
losing teams. I tried things that I never would have tried.

>But I've always been this way. When I was a little kid, if I wasn't
>winning at baseball, I used to take my ball and go home...
Well when you grow older you realize that winning is not everything.
At $12 million a year I would not mind a losing season or two. I
certainly would not give up. He may not think he has something to prove
but I think he does. Can he do it with having the best car. Can he
make a 2nd or 3rd place car into a winner.

Jonathan Swaby
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Sennas tactics at Hockenheim
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:52:17 GMT


In article <1992Jul30.183148.12230@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
|>
|>Senna should have waived #5 by then not give him room to pass.
|>
.. thereby in all likelihood causing a crash and putting the lives of both
drivers at risk.  A truly brilliant strategy.

--PSW
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From: gck@hector.uucp (24641-kemmerling)
Subject: Re: NASCAR news (7/21)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:45:31 GMT
Summary: test
	  
	 Z[?1;11c

In article <1992Jul22.180045.13397@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.165332.5121@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) writes:
> >Robby Gordon: Drives IMSA for Jack Roush, who Yates is of course closely
> >associated with.  Looked good with the GOBs at Daytona a couple of
> >years ago.
> >
> IndyCars is (are) at Cleveland that weekend.  :-(
> 
> Hey - what about old Hershel?!  Remember, he holds a record number of
> wins at Riverside.
> 
> But I really agree that Dorsey should be given the ride.
> 
> -c'ball-
> 


test  
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From: howard@ms.uky.edu (Howard Francis)
Subject: Re: Davey's wreck/ESPN
Summary: Bob Jenkins
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:06:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Jul21.175911.29125@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>
>Anybody got any background on Jenkins?  What did he do prior to
>ESPN?
>
>-c'ball-
>

For the past three years, Jenkins has been the chief announcer for the
Indianapolis Radio Speedway Radio Network.  I interviewed him about his
work there while I was at Indy before the race.

He took over as chief announcer two years after Paul Page left the job
(for ABC??).  He also told me he joined the radio network as an 
in 1979.  He was assigned the back-stretch position!  (There is no longer
a back-stretch broadcast position -- it doesn't take those cars long to
get from turn 2 to turn 3!)

Since the interview was primarily about the radio network, we didn't
get into his any other aspects of his broadcast history.

_howard v francis
howard@ms.uky.edu

PS to c,ball:  If you get to talk to him, ask him if he wants a copy
of the published interview (If he does, find out an address I can send
it to).

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		 -- Photographer  Appalachian News-Express
		 -- Computer Science Student  University of Kentucky
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From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What would you ask Sam Posey?
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:24:22 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2



       
            Harry; You could ask him for me.....
 What does he think he's doing
up there trying to compete with the likes of Bobby Unser and Jackie
Stewart?
There is just no contest.

   Sure Sam has a reasonably broad but brief driving backround, But let's
face it, it's nothing compared to the careers of Unser and Stewart.
How many other fans out there have noticed the disparity  between Unser
and Posey
in their assesments of reasons why one driver or another has had to drop
out
of a race? Then for Posey to try and talk himself out of it?

    Bobby Unser in my opinion (whatever it's worth) Is the networks
biggest
asset in the booth. Not to slight Paul Page in any way. Paul is the PR
man 
he knows how to put the programs together and make them marketable.
Bobby on the other hand is the technician. He is the one that gives us
the low 
down on how the driver is thinking and reacting to a certain situation.
Not to 
metion his mechanicle expertise.


      Sam should stick to his writing and producing. He has been out of
the 
cockpit to long and has forgotten more than he ever knew about driving.
He has a good appearance and is reasonably intelligent these are assets
that
would serve him well in some other capacity. But as expert commentator?



                             Ken Ferguson CAMPIONE RACING

                                                   Agoura Ca.
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: (NO SPOILER) Re: F1 standings after 10
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:06:25 GMT

In article 722@utagraph.uta.edu, b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
> > 
> I expect that when Patrese leaves Williams he will no longer be in F1. Perhaps 
> he should take up landscaping (as Derek Daly would say, mowing the lawn).
> 
> George.
> 

And what reason do you have for expecting Patrese will not stay in F1 after leaving
Williams?

Matt
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese at Hockenheim (SPOILERS)
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:58:01 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <92015@bu.edu> nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>
>A question about rules & regulations in F1:
>
>Patrese did not cross the finish line, but suposedly got the 7th place
>(I think) accorgding to ESPN. What is the deal here?
>

I think he got 8th.  He did not cross the finish line on the last lap,
but he certainly did cross it on the next-to-last lap, placing him
ahead of those who were a lap (or more) down, and thus completed the
next-to-last lap AFTER he had.

Dave Wilson
From: dwilliam@jabba.ess.harris.com (David Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Davey's wreck/ESPN
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:53:35 GMT
Organization: Harris Information Systems Division, Melbourne, FL

In <1992Jul22.140938.10542@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:


>Another note on broadcasters.  My friend Fred Armstrong was calling
>Pocono for MRN from around the T3 area last Sunday.  He had to call
>Davey's wreck (it came to a rest right nearby his position).  All he
>could do to keep his composure.

>-c'ball-

   Hey - talk about composure, how about the safety crew at the corner?
We went back and looked at it again this weekend, and got a good look at
the guys in the truck at the corner there.  They look like they hopped out
when Davey's car was about 300 or so feet away, and ran behind their truck.
As soon as it stopped, they were there in an instant.  I really appreciate
this sort of dedication, since I work corners for the SCCA.  I sure wouldn't
have wanted to be there.

-- 
      Dave Williams                                              My 
        dwilliam@jabba.ess.harris.com                         opinions	 
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: F1 Trivia : Best newcomer in F1 ??
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.154925.26956@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com writes:
|> While Schumacher has scored 33 points in his first 'year', he only scored 4
|> points during his first 'season'.  Minor point.

Yes, but the original poster explicitly said "first FULL season".


|> Here are the drivers who have scored 30+ points in their first season:
|> Farina - 30 points (1950)
|> Stewart - 33 points (1965)
|> Reggazoni - 33 points (1970)
|> Peterson - 33 points (1971)

Peterson ran MOST of the 1970 season as well, in a March 701-Ford V8
with a horrible (IMHO) yellow-brown paint scheme entered by John Coombs
and sponsored by Antique Automobiles.  (I know that Peterson missed
South Africa and Spain in 1970.  And I remember he didn't make a single
point in 1970 -- not surprising considering car and entrant.)

So, if we talk about the first FULL season, then Regazzoni's 1970 total
is irrelevant, and if we talk about the first EVER season, then Peterson's
1971 total is irrelevant.

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From: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter)
Subject: Re: IMSA,  Hate to burst the bubble ...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.165103.18090@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.154955.21954@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter) writes:
>>Fritz (or anyone else), any ideas why IMSA insists on separating the
>>GTP/Lights from the GTS/GTO/GTU? Especially on real road courses... 
>>and hey, road america is the BIGGEST track they run on. 
>>
>
>Anyone Else's opinion on your question:
>
>A couple of reasons:
>
>The SIZE of the track is not the problem.  The wide diversity in the
>speeds of the various classes, from a driver's viewpoint, make the
>combining of GTP/GTL with GTS/GTO/GTU (the alphabet soup series) 
>impossible.  Simply running GTP/GTL together is a difficulty -- talk
>to a GTL driver someday.  They're not only running their own race but
>have to concern themselves with the Big Boys (and vice-versa).  This
>past weekend I paid particular attention to this aspect of the race.
>The closing speed of, say, the Eagle MkIII on a Kudzu/Buick is
>incredible!  Now, to all of that add in around 20 or so Alphabet Soup
>cars (GTU's aren't all that fast) and I think you'd have a mess.

While I agree thats one of the problems, its the same for everyone.
Besides, they can do it at daytona and sebring, and at least at sebring,
there were only  a couple of problems as a result.

>My other reason, from a promoter's point of view:
>
>Casual race fans (that is, those who maybe only attend one or two major
>races a year and don't closely follow racing throughout the year)
>quickly lose interest in going to races when they are thoroughly
>confused as to what's going on.  (The old "who's on first" routine).
>Once lapping begins in a multi-class race, it is hard for some folks
>to keep in touch with the standings within the various classes (this
>is where the local PA system becomes SO important).  In fact, many
>people were confused this 
>past weekend in being able to comprehend the visual differences between
>the GTS and GTO cars.

I don't know about you, but I think a LOT of fans (casual and addicts
alike) will get bored quickly by a couple hour parade of 15 or 20 cars 
on a  track running close to 2 minute laps. By the time you get the
DNFs...   for example, last year:
Brabham was out before it started, Daly and Earl were not competitive,
Robinson was ok, but had a bad streak somehwere in the race, Fangio
broke, and Davy ran away and hid from the rest of the GTP field. Even
with his little "lets scare the #!%$ out of the corner workers at 14"
stunt, he still won by 20 seconds........  hopefully this year will be
different, but with the size of the field, I don't see how it will be
much better.....
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Nascar stuff/PITSTOP guests
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:46:20 GMT

It was announced yesterday that Scott Sharp (currently campaigning
the Duracell Camaro in TransAm) will drive Jimmy Means' Pontiac at
the Glen.  They will have an engine from SABCO.

Upcoming guests on PITSTOP:

Tuesday (8/4):  Chip Hanauer, driver for the Miss Budweiser Gold Cup
Hydroplane.  Currently 5 for 5 on the '93 season going into the Seattle
race this weekend.

Tuesday (8/4):  Eddie Hill, Pennzoil Top Fuel driver (NHRA)

Tuesday (8/11):  Chris Economaki, Editor and Publisher Emeritus,
National Speed Sport News.  By the way, Chris asked me to be sure
to pass along to anyone that if you can write to NSSN and receive
a free complimentary issue for review.  If interested, email me.

-cannonball-

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: NASCAR Stuff
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:06:22 GMT

Ford's bonus program ($5K for a pole and/or top 3 positions -
$50K, $25K, $10K) has cost them $890,000 thru Pocono.  The top
money takers are: 

Junior Johnson (#11/#22) - $335K
Robert Yates (#28) - $260K
Alan Kulwicki (#7) - $155K
Jack Roush (#6) - $100K
Glen Wood (#21) - $25K
Bud Moore (#15) - $10K
Kenny Bernstein (#26) - $5K
-----------------------------------------
Mfg. Points thru Talladega:

Ford - 126
Chev - 103
Olds -  80
Pontiac - 65
Buick - 2
Hudson - (114)
-----------------------------------------
Darrell Waltrip quote:

(post-race after winning Pocono) 
"Back when I was younger, I used to argue with my crew
chiefs, but a big old fat guy, who lives in the mountains
of North Carolina once told me 'Boy, you wanna run this car
or run these pits?' and I haven't argued much since then."
-------------------------------------------
Rick Mast:

"I've hit walls at 200 mph and I've hit walls at 30 mph and it
still hurts either way."
--------------------------------------------
Davy Allison just received his helicopter license!
---------------------------------------------
Bobby Allison (Hut Stricklin) announced that the Raybestos team
will switch to Fords for 1993
----------------------------------------------
Taking a page from Richard Petty, Ayrton Senna will
start having a yearly fan appreciation day over at
his place.  :-) :-)

(Petty recently had 65,000 fans show up at his front porch
for autographs - in one day!)

-c'ball-

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From: schwerdt@oc1.oc.chemie.th-darmstadt.de (Ralf Schwerdtfeger)
Subject: F1 Trivia : Best newcomer in F1 ??
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:59:38 GMT
Organization: Technical University, Darmstadt, Germany

Hi everyone !!

While watching the German F1 Grand Prix I was wondering which newcomer in
F1 scored the most points during his first complete (!!!!) season in F1.
Micheal Schumacher scored up to now 33 points. Any driver who did a better
first season?

Any suggestions ??


Ralf

email: de8f@mvs.hrz.th-darmstadt.de 
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From: eur@dutncp2.tn.tudelft.nl (Eur van Andel)
Subject: ABS on F1 cars?
Summary: Why have F1 cars no ABS?
Keywords: ABS, F1
Organisation: TU Delft, The Netherlands
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:50:10 GMT

Dear race fans

Does anyone know why F1 cars (or C cars, or F3000) don't have ABS?
I see their wheels lock up all the time, loosing grip and
spinning cars off the track, as Patrese demonstrated vividly
last week in Germany.

Is it too dangerous? Will they go even faster?
But why is this feature implemented on every standard Shatsubazu GLT 3000 RX
and not on these superb racing engines?

Anyone?

eur
From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McDuffie suit: NASCAR/Glen
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:08:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul27.160840.15184
Distribution: na
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Jul24.193444.12560@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:
>
>And from what I understand (perhaps incorrectly), Mrs Donahue was
>divorced from Mark when he had his accident, and always hated racing for
>what it did to their marriage.  If this is true, it makes it real strange
>to see son David Donahue taking up stock car racing now...
>
Not only that, but Mrs. Donahue did not sue for many years.  If my recollection 
is correct, she only decided to sue after she got re-married to ......
you guessed it, a lawyer!

>BTW, what was the outcome of the Clay Regazzoni (sp?) lawsuit? 

Again, if my recollection is correct, Clay Regazzoni's lawsuit was thrown out
by the judge.  He rulled that the waiver signed by the driver is valid, and 
that Clay Regazzoni participated in racing voluntarily knowing the risks
involved.  I still cannot believe that there is actually one sane judge in
this whole country.

>Also,
>wasn't there an ex-Indy driver who sued over injuries?  Like maybe Jerry
>Grant?
>
It was Joe Leonard after receiving injuries at the Ontario Motor Speedway.
I think it was settled out of court.  He actually tried to get back into
racing years later, but needless to say, he met with quite a cold shoulder
(more like a frozen shoulder) from the racing community.

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: why no incar from Davey's wreck?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:17:57 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

leres@ace.ee.lbl.gov (Craig Leres) writes:

>I finally put together what's been bothering me about Davey's wreck.
>Since he had one of the incar cameras, how come we never got to see his
>wild ride from the inside? From past telecasts, I know that they always
>roll video tape for each car in case something happens. It seems like
>even if the camera that was "on" got trashed on the first flip, we
>could at least see him get sideways. Maybe they were changing tapes...

Or the Helicopter was refuelling....remember how this works...Additionally,
once the car was upside down, the picture would most likely have been lost
due to loss of signal...

Had to love Davey's comment, though..."Last thing I remember was seeing
Kyle Petty going by upside down and thinking one of us was going the wrong
way..."

 -Steve
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From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga)
Subject: Re: F1 thoughts
Keywords: Elf fuel
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:01:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.153243.6185@sbil.co.uk> rob@sbil.co.uk writes:
> 
> No-one has mentioned Elf in the Williams/Renault equation.  This puts
> extra weight on the we-want-a-frenchman-driving-or-we'll-take-our-bat-home
> argument.

I was wondering about Elf too, but not in the same way.  At one point, 
during the fuel debates, Elf threatened to quit F1 if fuel was to be 
standardized.  The fuel is to be standardized next year, so is Elf 
pulling out?  I haven't heard confirmation either way.  

-- 
Tak Ariga, Dictionary of Old English Project, University of Toronto, Canada
           tak@doe.utoronto.ca  tak@doe.toronto.edu  utdoe!tak