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From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:09:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan04.042255.17643@ssc.com> tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.133936.1@ttd.teradyne.com> rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
>>Read what I wrote. You don't HAVE to DO anything. But if you don't want 
>>the station to be repeated, you have the right to not do so.
>>
>>But if the frequency is not in use at the time you have no exclusive right
>>to say who can or cannot transmit on that frequency. And nothing in part
>>97 implies that you have that right.
>>
>
>Nope, you're wrong.  Otherwise, why would we need coordination?

Coordination is a *voluntary* cooperative effort among repeater
owners to minimize mutual interference. Coordinators have *no*
legal standing to assign frequencies, in fact exclusive frequency
assignments are specifically prohibited by 97.101(b) "No frequency
will be assigned for the exclusive use of any station." Coordinators
can only *recommend* frequencies to be used by stations in repeater
operation.

The only legal standing coordination has is in arbitrating disputes 
between repeater transmitter owners when one repeater transmitter 
causes harmful interference to another repeater transmitter. The FCC
doesn't license receivers. The FCC says in 97.205(c) "Where the
transmissions of a repeater cause harmful interference to another
repeater, the two station licensees are equally and fully responsible
for resolving the interference unless the operation of one station
is recommended by a frequency coordinator and the operation of the
other station is not. In that case, the licensee of the noncoordinated
repeater has primary responsibility to resolve the interference."

Gary
-- 
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CFD: proposal for rec.radio.amateur.standup.philosophy
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 5 Jan 1993 17:46:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls1.cs.tamu.edu
Keywords: Mel Brooks   Lepetomaine

I would like to propose a new group for the continuing discussion of
sociopoliticotenchnologistic subjects pertaining to Amateur Radio.  These
discussions would be in the form of allegories, parallels, parables, and
"I heard that"`s.  Literary shredding is encouraged, without regard to
race, religion, national origin, license class, lack of license (amateur or
literary), or accuracy.

This is in order to formalize an already-existant situation.

Suggested subjects are:

Closed Repeaters
Coordination
CW
CodeFree Licensing
FCC peccadillos
Spelling
BBS hierarchial addressing
Packet operations in general
Armchair Law Practice
Excessive Inclusion of Previous Postings
HF Forwarding
Antenna Restrictions
Covenants
ARRL griping  (a possible candidate for r.r.a.s.p.arrl)

Cultivation of senses of priority, perspective, human relations, and humor
is encouraged.  

Harrumph. 
-- 
Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw	  kurt@cs.tamu.edu   409/847-8607  fax:409/847-8578
Dept. of Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot
"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
      *** Not an official document of Texas A&M University ***
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NASA Project Dante & Compressed Video?
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 23:15:33 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones) writes:

> In article <01GT47Y1CA0G8WVYPA@TSU.BITNET> PORTER04%TSU.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.ed
> >Fellow Netters,
> >   I was watching the news around New Year and saw the reports
> >from MT. Erebus, Antartica. The video from there was rather strange
> >looking, as though it was being compressed in the extreme(looked
> >like only movement was being updated per frame). What I'm wondering
> >is, what method of compression was being used. Also what comm system
> >was used to get the video back so  quickly. I am told that use of
> >DOMSATS in equatorial orbit is not possible, maybe INMARSAT? It all
> >looked very interesting>
> 
> Along those same lines, I was floored to find out they were using a
> cable to transmit commands to Dante. Seems like it would have been a whole 
> lot easier to have had repeaters on the edge of the volcano and ran high 
> speed packet to control the robot. Maybe as a ham these things occur to me.


I was watching the Dante expedition on NASA Select and they asked one of 
the designers the same thing. He felt that the extreme bandwidth required 
to carry all the signals - from sensors, video, etc, as well as the 
distinct possibility of signal blockage by the crater necessititated the 
fibre optic cable.

73, Bob.

Robert Smits  VE7EMD Ladysmith B.C. 
Ph (604) 245-2553 e-mail: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca 
PACKET VE7EMD@VE7KIT.#VANC.BC.CAN.NA                             

                                         
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kawai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (goh kawai - n6uok)
Subject: Re: QSL cards from SWLers (was Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical situation)
Organization: speech research program, sri international
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:48:28 GMT

First, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu asked:

  | Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
  | shortwave listeners?

To which gary@ke4zv.uucp replied:

  | Sure. ... Most hams who QSL ... will reply to a SWL card.

Then fms@sw.stratus.com asked:

  | What does one reply to a SWL card?  ... Just a note saying thanks? or is
  | there something more that should be done?

To which levin@bbn.com replied:

  | I just got my first one the other day ... His SWL card resembles a QSL;
  | it has a number not unlike a call sign. ... Who assigns these "call
  | signs"?

My reply:

There are SWL organizations that assign alphanumeric numbers to SWL
enthusiasts.  For example, JARL (the Japan Amateur Radio League) assigns SWL
numbers to those who request it.  JARL's QSL bureau department will send QSL
cards addressed to SWL numbers just in the same way QSL cards are routed to
regular hams using the bureau.

In some countries, aspiring hams are required to go through a training
period as an SWL, and must acquire a certain number of QSL cards before
applying for a ham radio license.  (This was the case in the People's
Republic of China at least until fairly recently.)  In countries like these,
it is imperative for an aspiring ham to get QSL cards to his SWL reports.
Since SWL reports aren't awfully prized by DXers -- there isn't a DXCC for
SWL, for instance -- and since many folks don't know how to reply to SWL
cards, SWL people don't get a lot of replies.  Therefore, it can mean a
great deal for a SWL person to get a QSL card.

By the way, I notice that although some countries emphasize monitoring the
bands before even applying for a ham radio license, and more often than not
monitoring sessions take place at a crowded radio sports club than at a
private residence, actual ham radio operators from those countries are not
necessarily well-informed.  BY operators, for example, will sometimes CQ in
CW at the high end of the band, quite often landing in the middle of the
phone sub-band.

73 DE N6UOK

----------------- Speech Research Program, SRI, Menlo Park, CA 94025-3493 USA
--- Goh Kawai --- work:(415)859-2231   fax:(415)859-5984   home:(415)323-7214
----------------- internet: kawai@speech.sri.com      radio: n6uok and 7l1fqe
From: FLEM%athena@leia.polaroid.COM (SKIP FLEM, NT1G, 14X17 NEWTON-1M 617-630-4482)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Yes, there are plans for a 'microwave' xmtr
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:14:00 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

 A few years ago Gary Breed (RF Design) published an article on converting a
microwave for EME use. The unit sat on top of an 8' fiberglass step
ladder aimed at a ground mounted dish, which was articulated. I remember Gary
saying it was used for cw only, due to system noises.
  I can't find the issue in my collection, however it would be around '88
or '89 and I believe it was held off 'til May so it wouldn't be confused with
an April type article. It also might of been given an award for innovation.
73 de Skip, NT1G                               "How long is a 'SHORT'wave?"
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL cards from SWLers (was Re: Ham transmissions-a hypothetical
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:14:43 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

situation)
Summary: 
Expires: 
<1993Jan5.161735.17871@ke4zv.uucp> <1icp0aINNmiv@transfer.stratus.com>
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

In article <1icp0aINNmiv@transfer.stratus.com> fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith
Senie) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.161735.17871@ke4zv.uucp>, gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
writes:
>> In article <1993Jan5.085312.22208@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu
>>(Simon E. Booth) writes:
>> 
>> [...]
>>
>> >Which takes me to another more unsusual question:
>> >Have amateur operators ever receiver reception reports from regular
>> >shortwave listeners?
>> 
>> Sure. It's less common today than when we were operating AM, but it
>> still happens from time to time. Most hams who QSL, not all do, will
>> reply to a SWL card.
>> 
>
>What does one reply to a SWL card?  I got one recently, and didn't realize
>that some sort of reply was appreciated.  Just a note saying thanks? or is
>there something more that should be done?  I'd hate to leave the guy hanging
>if he's expecting some sort of reply...
>
>73 de Faith N1JIT
>
rest deleted...

Yes, please reply to SWL cards.  In the past, Eastern European hams
couldn't get a ham license (to the best of my knowledge) until they
had collected a certain number of ham QSL's.
There are many ways to reply to an SWL card, but here is how I do it.
Above the block containing QSO information, I write: To SWL xx99xx
Then, under *confirming QSO* I write *confirming my contact with 
BY1PK* (or whatever station the SWL heard you work).  I then fill
out the date, time and band.  I put an * X * in the RS(T) box and
then fill in the mode.   
Please take the time to try to reply to these SWLs.  You can never
tell when one might get licensed and activate the last few countries
you need! (Like Romeo Stepanenko UB5JRR did for lots of us)
73, Tom WB4IUX


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: hideg@spsd630a.erim.org (Steve Hideg)
Subject: Re: Ringo Ranger II performance
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:51:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.161743.11713@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:

>That gain figure is compared to an *isotropic* source. Subtract 2.14 db
>to get gain over a vertical dipole. Nearly 5 db is really still too much
>gain for this antenna. A realistic figure compared to a vertical dipole 
>would be 3 db. If you want a good gain antenna for base use, look at the 
>Comets and Diamonds. They have more gain, at least the bigger ones, and 
>they are mechanically more rugged...

Diamonds are more rugged, eh?

I'm using an X-500 for a UHF repeater, and a friend has one at home. Both
of these antennas have had major water leakage problems.

I sent mine back to RF Components (or whatever their name is), and they found
nothing wrong with it.

We have since crammed each joint on both antennas with sealant. When we
tightened the collars, sealant goop oozed out of them.

My friend took off work early this evening to take his X-500 down because
it has apparently "sprung a leak" again.

Anyway, just a friendly warning.

73

--Steve

_________________________
Steve Hideg  N8HSC

hideg@amadeus.erim.org



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From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Who do repeater coordinators represent?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:03:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsls1.cs.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan6.093218.27598@qualcomm.com>, karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:
|> 
|> Deja vu warning...
|> 
|> I happen to agree with this. Using repeaters to reduce collisions
|> *does* involve a significant opportunity cost. Unfortunately, the
|> alternative techniques to "do it right" are still not yet known in the
|> amateur service. These include:
|> 

[List of high bell-and-whistle index stuff deleted]

Damn, Phil, we're still at the stage where folks are trying to get their
TNCs hooked up to their YeaHoo HTs!!!  C'mon now!
[FTHI:8-}]
kf

-- 
Kurt Freiberger, wb5bbw	  kurt@cs.tamu.edu   409/847-8607  fax:409/847-8578
Dept. of Computer Science, Texas A&M University      DoD #264: BMW R80/7 pilot
"We preserve our freedom using three boxes: ballot, jury, and cartridge."
      *** Not an official document of Texas A&M University ***
From: jim@n5ial.MYthical.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KMTRM110.ZIP - Hams: KAMterm host mode pgm for Kantronics TNC
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:42:42 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.packet>
KMTRM110.ZIP    Hams: KAMterm host mode pgm for Kantronics TNC

KAMterm is a Host Mode terminal program for Kantronics TNCs.

This release includes several minor enhancements and bug-fixes.  Among
the enhancements, there is improved support for non-KAM Kantronics TNCs,
an indicator on the status bar when a stream is being logged to a file,
a special mode where every key is transmitted to the TNC immediately
(see docs for more details on when you can/can't use this), and so on.

See the history file for other changes, fixes, etc.

KAMterm's major features include:

   *) separate windows (each full screen) for TNC commands, monitor
      output, and each active stream

   *) when capturing screen output to a file, KAMterm keeps track of
      who said what and indicates this in the file

   *) startup/exit TNC configuration files (optional)

   *) special ``priority window'' for keeping an eye on one stream
      while working in another (e.g., watching a DX cluster, etc.)

   *) KAM ONLY:  special AMTOR window which displays the XMITECHO output
      (shows the progress of transmitting chars on AMTOR)

   *) built in QSO logger (rather crude) with the ability to configure
      KAMterm to call an external logger program instead

   *) all the normal features you'd expect, like scrollback buffers,
      programmable function keys, shell out to dos, etc.

73s es cul, de n5ial/4
jim
- -
INTERNET: jim@n5ial.mythical.com  |  grahj@valinor.mythical.com
          j.graham@ieee.org       (OLD): jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
AMATEUR RADIO: n5ial@w4zbb        AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL       ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: foxd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (daniel fox)
Subject: IC-2SRA Mods needed
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:03:02 GMT

I am looking for mods for the ICOM IC-2SRA.  Does anybody have any?

******************************************************************************
*          Daniel B. Fox              *          All men are mortal.         *
*              KF9ET                  *          Aristotle is a man.         *
*   FOXD@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU       *   Therefore: All men are Aristotle.  *
******************************************************************************
* My opinions are my own.   Mine you hear me!!!   MINE!!! MINE!!! MINE!!!!   *
******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: intermod, overload, desense?
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:19:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.195536.18303@venus.ic.cmc.ca> pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca writes:
>I recently installed a Diamond D130 discone antenna
>for a friend's Pro-2006 and Bearcat BC760XLT scanners.
>After the installation was complete, we found reception
>to be much poorer with the new discone and better with
>the old metal whip antennas supplied with the scanners.
>What's really interesting is that the reception IMPROVES
>when the Pro-2006 10dB attenuator is enabled!
>
>After some thought and reading (including the ARRL 
>handbook),  I suspect the receiver front-ends are 
>suffering from something called desensitization from 
>a very strong signal from the nearby university broadcast
>band FM radio station.    I have ordered the Grove
>Scanner Filter and will try it when it arrives.   I am
>hoping it will notch out the FM transmission and solve
>the problem.    I presume that "desense" means the receiver
>front end noise floor has effectively been raised to such 
>a high level as to bury most other signals.   Is there 
>any way to confirm this?   Has anyone experienced the same?
>Comments are appreciated.    

You're on the right track Peter. The discone is a wideband
antenna and doesn't offer the out of band rejection found
in tuned whips. So more of the strong FM broadcast signal
is getting into the scanner front end. The proof of that
is that switching in an attenuator improves things. Since
you are plagued by only one strong local FM signal, you
could have made a notch filter with a piece of shorted
coax tuned to the right length and a coax Tee, but the 
Grove filter will probably do the job too.

If you want to build a notch filter, install a Tee in your
antenna feedline, attach the feedline to an FM broadcast
receiver, and attach a length of coax to the odd leg that 
is slightly more than a quarterwave at the offending
station's frequency. Short this cable at it's free end. 

Ant----------T-------radio
             |
             |
           short

Now cut it a little at a time, shorting after each cut, 
until the FM signal is notched out. If you start with
the FM radio tuned to the low end of the band, you can
"walk" the filter up the band to the offending station.
You should be able to reduce the signal strength by up
to 30 db with this simple trick, depending on the quality
of the coax. If that isn't enough, another Tee, and another 
length of cable can be tuned for more rejection. To avoid 
cutting too much while tuning, you can use a straight pin 
to puncture the cable and short it at various distances until 
the right point is found. Cut there and solder the inner and 
outer conductors for a permanent job.

Gary

-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: License Delays
Date: 10 Jan 1993 11:31:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ya know, maybe if we paid more than $0.56/yr for our licenses...

BUT WAIT!  
The FCC doesn't even get that!!!!!!!  That goes to the _volunteer_
examiners.  The _paid_ FCC gets NOTHING.  Nothing but headaches from WHINY
hams.  

It's a wonder we get any allocations.

Here's to a $50, 10 year ticket...

Peter

Peter Laws|GEnie:P.LAWS1|"The '90s are gonna make the '60s|plaws@uafhp.uark.edu
n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.noam| look like the '50s"  --D. Hopper|plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Origin of "88's" and "73's" ?
From: clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:55:13 EST

In article <1993Jan6.130556.15110@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, k2ph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (The QRPer) writes:
> I can't stand it!  There is no "'s" on the end of either
> 88 or 73.  88 means "love and kisses" while 73 means
> "best regards."  Neither one of them could possibly
> possess anything!
> 
> There, I feel better now.  :-)
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Bob Schreibmaier K2PH  | UUCP:     ...!att!mtdcr!k2ph
> AT&T Bell Laboratories | Internet: k2ph@mtdcr.att.com
> Middletown, N.J. 07748 | ICBM:     40o21'N, 74o8'W

Thanks, Bob, for reiterating the obvious.  Seems far too many folks, intent
on fracturing the English language, and now focusing on abbreviations and CW
shorthand.

Perhaps if they understood the meaning they'd be less likely to use it so
erroneously.

	73 >< Carl
	   K8NHE
From: clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 16:14:16 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Private UUCP "Twig" Node
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00

In article <RuTNwB5w165w@stat.com>, David Dodell writes:

> How do you judge the * most effective use * ???  I think this can become 
> subjective.  Some of the "closed" machines that I use are busier then the 
               ^^^^
> open machines.  Some of the open UHF machines in Phoenix have no user 
                  ^^^^
> base, and sit idle for hours at a time.  The closed machines usually are 
> busier.  So I guess the open machines should shut down to make more room 
> for the closed machines?

        Yes... _SOME_.  How about addressing _MOST_ and _the majority of_?

> I think each have their place.  Some of the closed machines I use could 
> not operate effectively if everyone and his brother had the control 
> codes.  The remote base features would become totally useless.

        There's a large difference involved here.  Giving out control codes
and allowing someone to talk are two totally different things.

--
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 clemon@lemsys.UUCP clemon%lemsys@xenitec.on.ca  | 1B Electrical Engineering
 TCP/IP: ve3xcl@ve3xcl.ampr.org [44.135.84.51]   |  University of Waterloo
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