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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: PMI-III or a pump?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:23:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov16.121217.3998@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>	I'm relatively new to the sport, so when a friend asked me
>whether she should get a PMI-III semi auto or either a Trracer or a
>SL-68II, I didn't know what to tell her. So I turn to ya'll paintball
>pros, and experienced players for help. Should she buy this semi-auto
>or should she buy one of the better pumps. Why? (ie. Easy Maintanence,
>Gas Efficiency, Any Problems.) 

Straight off the top, pump guns are more gas efficient, parts are easy to
find and reasonably priced.  If the Trracer is anything like a Bushmaster,
then you have a clear advantage in range and range.  With any pumpgun, learn
to properly use the auto-trigger.
On the negative side.  If you friend gets the PMI-3 (good choice for the price)
, she won't have as steep a learning curve to get into and stay in the game (
especially if semis outnumber pumps on the field she intends to play).
     When I recently acquired my Pro-Am I didn't notice that much of a differnce
in improving my game play.  Long range running shots were easier to squeeze off
than a pump, but in all I think an experience player would do well with either
pump or semi.  With a pump, it takes time to get use to the gun and the pumping
rythm; so critical to auto-trigger.

If your friend has a choice between the SL-68 II and the Trracer, then choose
the Trracer.  Personally, I thinkt the SL-68 II is currently overpriced for a
pumpgun and I didn't find the accuracy all that impressive.  My Pro-Am friends
who used to have SL-68 IIs think the Pro-Am is more accurate gun.

>					Thanks,
>				      Joey Hargis
>				   Future Team Internet Member?
>
Future, why not join in the here and now?

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
From: vanichth@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mitri Van)
Subject: Re: 205 MPH! I QUIT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:14:03 GMT

hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:


>Is it true? 205 MILES PER HOUR!
>Forget my previous post about being an excited newbie. I QUIT!
>I now have all my equipment up for sale!
>Joey Hargis
>A "Very Horrified" Ex-Newbie
>Hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
>P.S. Disclaimer: For the Humorously Impaired, This is a joke.
>(A semi-bad joke I might add.) My equipment is NOT for sale.

*laugh*
I read the topic, and saw the word 'newbie' and I was ready to 
reply until I read the disclaimer...

*laughing again* Well, *I* thought it was a good joke. :)

Mitri 
  vanichth@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Price Lists
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:12:07 PST
Organization: BBS


O.K. guys, let's cool it with the Price Posts. Let's not try to turn this group
into an on-line catalog by different stores and suppliers. I mean, why not just
start a new gropup called alt.paintball.slaes?
We could have many companies, stores, suppliers, etc., post their price lists
and try to out-do each other in a BBS price battle. Yeah, why not invite the
big guys over, TASO, PMI, AGD, ICS, USI, CCI, WGP, SI, Tippmann along with some
growing stores like Foxhunters, PBSoM, PB Paradise, Petaluma PB, Pacific Supply
PB, TAPS, Delta Archery, DRACO and have them all beat each others prices.  But
come on, let's keep this group away from becomming too comercialized.
Otherwise, this group will be all mixed up between tips, questions, and
*promotions*. So how about it? Does a alt.paintball.sales soun good? I think we
really need it, Unless we just discourage price post altogether. Oh well   
LATER...



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:37:30 -0500 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: IRONMAN on Sniper 2

Dan,
    I dont know about the cost but the people to have work on your gun
is Swiftline/Worr Game East.  I think they are in Connecticut.  These
are the things to do:

*get the floating Auto-trigger
*get the valving reworked and polished
*get the bolt over drilled so the exit hole is passes the entry hole
*get the pump ribbed deeper for better grip
*get the cocking block lightened
*get the velocity spring filed flat on both ends

   These things should make your gun the most vicous pump ou there I
listed them in order of importance.  Velocity problems can be several
things mainly split between Co2 and friction problems.  

Friction:
    *the cocking rod is rubbing agaist the velocity spring
    *the velocity screw is backing out
If the there is a rubbing mark on the cocking rod it is rubbing.  You
need to first sand down the rod until it is all silver then buff it with
fine steel wool.  Then oil it with vegatable oil to keep it from
rusting.  Then file or grind the ends of your velocity spring flat so
that the sping sits inside evenly and doesnt kink up against the rod. 
Order another velocity screw and screw it in behind the other one, this
will lock it in place.  To adjust velocity you have to put the wrench
just enough to turn the first, back it off and then adjust the inside
one, then tighten down the outside one to lock it.

Co2:
    *liquid is getting into gun
    *airflow is not smooth
    *unround paint
To keep liquid out of the gun use a vertical 20 oz. or a 20 oz.
antisiphon on a bottom line (thats what I use) refer to my earlier posts
for more details.  The polishing and porting that Swiftline does
alleviates any unsmooth airflow.  Use good paint so the bore to ball
ratio stays the same.

Good Questions Keep em Comin'

                Zander of the IRONMEN
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Fixed amount of paint per player..
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:20:00 GMT

What do you all think of this? I think it would make the game more fun to
have a limited amount of paint for each person playing. (Say.. 40 balls 
per round?)

Opinions?
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:57:18 GMT
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball

/ hpmwmat1:rec.sport.paintball / Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu> /  8:07 pm  Nov 15, 1992 /
Dont get any they are all too much work.
----------


	Why do you say that?  I'm really curious since I'm thinking about
	a semi these days.... do they break a lot?  Are they a pain
	to repair?

	What about the Automag?

	-Mike-
From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: PMI-III or a pump?
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:12:17 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


	I'm relatively new to the sport, so when a friend asked me
whether she should get a PMI-III semi auto or either a Trracer or a
SL-68II, I didn't know what to tell her. So I turn to ya'll paintball
pros, and experienced players for help. Should she buy this semi-auto
or should she buy one of the better pumps. Why? (ie. Easy Maintanence,
Gas Efficiency, Any Problems.) 

					Thanks,
				      Joey Hargis
				   Future Team Internet Member?

P.S. She has only about $150-250 to spend.

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From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: New Product
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 06:09:49 GMT

In article <402.2B0D4344@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>Hamilton Hobbies has another new product you might be interested in.
> 
>From USI, a camo butt pack with suspenders built in, 8 horizontal (side
>entry) tube pouches, adjustable vertical pouch for 7/20oz. bottle, pouch
>entry stiffeners, squeegie holder, detachable pocket for personal items,
>complete with 8 USI clear 100-round bulk tubes with flexible lids.

I bought the 6-pouch 20oz butt back from USI, and was somewhat happy with
it.  It is the best buy for your money (with the loaders normally 6 or
so bucks each)  mine came with a belt strap that I cut off and had sewn
into looks so I could mount it on my web belt.  This allows me to play
with our without my H-Harness.  John are these new 100 round loaders, reason
I ask is I have 80-round loaders.

>We also have Vents Predator OTG Thermal goggle/mask/armor systems for
>$85.99. This reflects the manufacturer's recent increase in prices across
>the board for the Vents systems. Subtract $5.00 for non-OTG thermal lense.

Glad I bought mine at $65.00.  Get the OTG's nomatter if you arn't blind
like I am.

>TASO Assault gloves, very nice, sizes S-XXL, $11.95 a pair.

Um... What you charge for shipping, I don't really need anything other than
the gloves.  If you could send me a price list, maybe I could find something
else I want.

Bjs

P.S. Did you guys know that 300 feet/sec is 205 miles/hour.


-- 

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Department of Physics	    283 Williamson Hall      Fax:     (904) 392-0524 
University of Florida 	   Gainesville, FL 32611     Voice:   (904) 392-5339
From: shimizu@unix.SRI.COM (Dan Shimizu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Souping up a Sniper II (Attn ROSE!)
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:54:22 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

I have a Budd Orr Sniper II that I want to upgarde from it's
stock configurtation, do people have any suggestions? I do
NOT want to change it to an auto-cocker, those guns are just
too tempermental for my tastes. (I know a lot of people with
these guns and they love them, but they really have to baby them.)

I was thinking of adding an Armson barrel and perhaps an auto trigger.
I remember a while back that Alexander Rose was making reccomendations
concerning the auto trig, what were the details, and how about less than
$125?

I also have a problem getting consitent velocity from the Sniper, any
suggestions, should I try a siphon bottle?

post or email, if there's interest I will summarize.

DAN
shimizu@unix.sri.com
From: dwightg@Autodesk.COM (Dwight Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Price Lists
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:55:00 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes) writes:

> O.K. guys, let's cool it with the Price Posts. Let's not try
> to turn this group into an on-line catalog by different stores 
> and suppliers.

hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet (Joey Hargis) defends his price post with:
  
> This group is already commercialized! We talk about different
> products, what we like, dislike, etc. If you dont want to read John's
> posts about Hamiliton Hobbies then put them in your kill file, or
> don't read them.
  
I add:  

I don't know if either of you were around when we started
this group, but the original charter specifically mentioned posts
concerning products, prices, and suppliers.

I don't have the exact wording, but it was decided that any post
concerning paintball was legitimate, as long as a disclaimer is
added.  (Ie. John Hamilton lets us know he is the owner when he 
talks about Hamilton Hobbies, Zander lets us know that Bud Orr
is one of his sponsers when he talks about Bud Orr's products.)

There.  No conflict of interest. 

-----
dwightg@autodesk.com (Dwight Gleason)
A guy who had better get out on the field and use his AutoCocker
again before he forgets any paintball strategy he may once have known.

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From: robert@abacus.hgs.se (Robert Nilsson)
Subject: Positions&Booby traps!
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:48:21 GMT


Just wanted to say something about booby traps and such.
I dont know if, for example, paint-grenades are used in
such a wide perspective in the states, but here in sweden
it's quite unpopular. Me and a teammate of mine used paint-
grenades against a player from Stockholm a couple of months
ago, just because of his attitude ("I'm imortal and can shoot
all of you in a couple of minutes. I can never die, and i'm the
best player in the world")!!! That was sure worth some paint  
(he satt in a bush while one of us sprayed his hidingplace with
mortal semi-fire and two of use throwing a paint-grenade each
in the bush he satt in, and he had to change his uniform after-
wards) If it was fun? No, but he needed that paint to come down
on earth again. I prefer ordinary balls.

About player-positions in the field.
Over here, semis is only used by ap. 25% of the players (at least
those i've met!), so the first goal in the strategy is to take
all the oponents semi-users out. If you have a semi-user, make sure
to "sponsor" him with paint and put him on a high and secure place
(if the battlefield is of the more open type) and let him spray over
the bad guys, making them stay where they are. Two semi-users at
the back of your field-half would do it, covering your ass when
pushing forward. Paintball is an expensive sport and semi-users simply    
have to empty their wallets if keeping up with all others, which I
thing is a shame.

I prefer the type of game when u aren't fireing so much, for example a
scenario of some kind. I've played in one of the militarys "hostage-
situation" houses, where you can roll over the floors just equiped with
a PGP, fireing some shots in each door you open! great! Try to make up
some kind of scenario, where one of your teammates is held hostage and
you're to set him free att some time of the day (or night!) that you
and your teammates have discussed. In that way the enemy has to stay
guard all day while you try to penetrate enemy grounds undiscovered.
(try an old factory or something, but remember, allways to ask first!!!)

Greets,
		Robert Nilsson, Cptn of Swedish Excess
From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:58:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: singletrack.ebay.sun.com

In article 2116@panix.com, henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:


>Can you tell me a little bit more about the smart parts barrel for the
>Pro-Am?  



Henry, 

The SP barrel for my Pro-am is about 16" long, it is what is called a 
"two stage"rifled barrel.  The initial portion, is I think nickel 
plated aluminum (is it possible to nickel plate Alu.??) which has a 
supposed "space age" anti-friction treatment.  It is finely polished 
and of a slightly larger bore than the stock barrel, paint will not 
roll out of the "first" stage and disc squeegies work fine.  The "second"
stage has the spiral drilled "rifling" and is of an even larger bore,
smaller brands of paint like bullcrap turdo will roll out of this portion
of the barrel.  I find that a neoprene squeegie is needed to clean this
part of the barrel.  I made my own "three stage" squeegie that works great.

I've shot 5000+ rds through this barrel so far and am very happy with it,
it has increased my range greatly over the stock barrel.  There has been
controversey about the holes dripping paint back into the barrel after a
splooge, but by blocking the muzzle and dry firing a couple times, any 
residual paint is expelled.  Just make sure that paint is not in the reciever
that can fire into your hand. ;).

Another accessory that is excellent for the tippman is the VL 2000 motorized
hopper, it is quite pricey but is well worth the $$$.  I used to have problems
with ball jam in intense firefights, which caused my elimination several times.
After getting the VL, that problem has gone away and I get less breakage and 
paint feeds more consistently into the breech/reciever.  With the VL I can
throw 140+ rds per min.  I loaded up the hopper and went to the range and
blasted away with zero misfeeds/breaks, I emptied in ~1 min.  My bottle
was cool and I am sure velocity dropped, but that is to be expected with ANY
gun. 

I shot 1000 nelsons through it and had ZERO breakage.  I also shot some
turdo through it and broke a few.  I've never had good luck with bullseye
paint.

IMHO this is a very good gun/barrel/loader, and will be my back-up after I pick 
up an auto-cocker.

c-ya

Danimal
ADG



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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:29:09 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov18.222546.2496@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> apskato@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
> 
>I am in the market for a cheaper and less "targetable" alternative to shelling
>out 70 bucks.  Any suggestions?  (I can deal with loseing a little capacity if
>it's a good product, but I still want to keep the capacity over a 100 or so)
> 
The old 10,20, and 40 round tube magazines never had the feeding problems
associated with bulk loaders.  Maybe a longer elbow extension would keep
misfeeds down to a minimum.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: The PLUGS continue...
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:16:35 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


I called DRACO not too long ago about purchasing a Trracer. When the
recording told me there was a $15! Shipping charge, I hung up! I have
called everyplace in Action Pursuit Games and in the state of
Tennessee and I have yet to find lower prices than John's at Hamilton
Hobbies. We have a monopoly here in Nashville.

Once again, Give John a buzz at john@kennel.fidonet.org and ask for a
price list. You will see what I mean. By the way John, My Trracer
order is comming soon.

Another Shameless Plug!

Joey Hargis
Hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Tippman SL-68II for Sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:47:50 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1536@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM>, jhblank@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM
(Joey H. Blankenship) writes:
>I have an SL-68II for sale for $200.  I am including the Allen Wrench Kit, the
>owner's manual, a 150+ bulk loader, and a homemade silencer which works very,
>very well.  Also included is the cable squeegee which comes with all SL-68IIs.
>

'Sup!!
 A friend of mine is interrested in buying his first gun and I suggested a
Tippmann since I LOVE my Pro/Am. He's really considering a SL-68II, but thw
place where I bought my Pro/Am (DRACO) sells new SL-68 II's with tanks, allen
wrench's, cable squeegie, (no silencer) for $190.
But if you could lower your price...



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!
From: jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: used guns
Date: 15 Nov 1992 13:25:22 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

rchen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rodney Chen) writes:


>I'm wondering if anyone out there has a used pump gun for sale.  My budget
>is approx. $200 max with the can/loader/etc.  Somehow I like the Trracer. 
>Any other good pump guns out there?  Appreciate replies via e-mail.
>Thanks in advance.

I boutght a Trracer new, with a 90rnd loader, and integral quick change for just over $116. The same price exists
for the gun with ASA(no tank). If you like, email me and I can dig up the phone number of the place from which I ordered
it.

I have been quite pleased with my Traccer and have managed to hold my own quite well (including a flag capture) on a field
dominated by semis.


-- 
Jim Foster                [   At any time, at any place, our snipers can      ]
jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu  [   bring you down. Have a nice day.                ]
Kansas State University   [                                                   ]
From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: A Shameless PLUG!
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:34:22 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have had the distinct pleasure of talking with John Hamilton of
Hamilton Hobbies over the past couple of days and let me be the first
or second to say "his prices are awesome". How about a PMI Trracer w/
7 oz. tank for $115. I couldn't find a better price anywhere.

So, if you are looking to purchase a gun or some paint give John a
yell here on the newsgroup and tell him to send you a price list.

An Innocent Plug!

Joey Hargis
Hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: How do you like your semiauto?
From: apskato@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:25:46 -0600
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1edtc7INNqe5@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy) writes:
>>IMO, the VL 2000 is a cool piece of technology that's not worth the price
>>(~ $70 I believe) to me.  I now use the largest size Indian Springs hopper
>>(200 rounds or so) and since a) it has a longer neck than a lot of other
>>hoppers b) it has that grove/channel and c) the Pro/Am has a fair bit of
>>recoil I find that I can blast away (when I want to waste paint of course
>>:-) with no problem.  It works beautifully for my normal firing pattern of
>>two and three (okay, sometime four) round bursts.  Accuracy is improved and
>>paint usage becomes reasonable.
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> I got a team discount on the hopper ~$60.00 and then removed the
> end cap and sealed it off to create a 180rd hopper.
> 
> Gun hits count and I have shot at many hoppers my self, so the
> smaller the profile the better for me.  The I.S. hopper is 
> like having a barrage balloon on your gun, IMO.  In certain
> situations having trouble free feeding in order to supress opposition
> to aid in a push is necessary.  I tend to use three round bursts, but
> in things like speedball, and pushes, I have to let paint fly to aid my team.

Uh. Well...yeah, i guess barrage ballon is the right terminology. Well said.  I
opted for the IS Hopper because of the price for the VL 2000. (70 bucks is a
flagrant rip off.  No way in hell the manufacutring price even comes close to
that.)  The drawback is that it makes a neato target if you are not carefull. 
Normally I make it policy not to let people get close enough to make it an
issue, but I make so much noise when I crash and bumble through the trees that
I tend to attract unwanted attention.   
 
I am in the market for a cheaper and less "targetable" alternative to shelling
out 70 bucks.  Any suggestions?  (I can deal with loseing a little capacity if
it's a good product, but I still want to keep the capacity over a 100 or so)
 

> 
> On the typhoon subject, I know Bud Orr is a reputable manufacturer and
> he stands behind his product much like Tippman does, and that is a plus
> in my book.  When spending this kind of money on a toy, I expect more than
> an "as is"/"Brakelight" warranty.  Who makes the typhoon??

Bud Orr (i'm told) and Tippman (I know) are great with customer service. 
Sheridan is another story.  The VM-68/PMI-III's are great guns, but there
service people have never inspired confidence in me.

> 
> 
> 
> c-ya 
> 
> Danimal
> 
> ADG

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