HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.161514.12308@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>In addition, I'd like to have one of those animal-incapacitating dart guns
>>around.  I'd rather not have to deal with the morality/legality of killing
>>somebody who was trying to steal my car stereo.
>
>Then you wouldn't use one of those dart guns, fer sure.
>This stuff would be instant death if it were administered
>to humans at the levels found there.

This got me thinking (it does happen occasionally).  Why couldn't
someone design a drug-adminsitering weapon for self-defense?  I'd think
that a load of pentothal (or whatever) would drop an attacker very
quickly.  What would be the best drug to use?  Has anyone done this?
How might it work?  Would a needle be necessary, or could it use a jet
of DMSO (or something similar) to the face as a delivery mechanism?

I'd think most people who keep guns for self-defense would use such a
weapon IF it had stopping power and tactical advantages on a par with a
good handgun (which Mace and stun-guns do not).  Assuming it's
needle-based, it would even penetrate many "bullet-proof" vests!  It
wouldn't have to be guaranteed safe for the recipient, but it would
probably be a lot safer than a .45.

Would the gun-controllers want to ban it?  Or would they use its
availability as additional justification for banning real guns?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: FREE 1-YEAR NRA... enough allready!!
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:32:48 GMT

archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:

>In article <ATAYLOR.92Aug10171359@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:

>>       Perhaps you should take this up with the families of
>>       certain Australians who were hung not too long ago
>>       in Malaysia. I believe one woman was hung for possessing
>>       a few grams of heroin.
>While I am willing to believe you, statement like this MUST be documented, 
>or the other side will dismiss it as a gross distortion.

Certainly a number of Australians have been hung in Malaysia for drug
offences.  I don't recall this particular incident, but I'll check.

Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)  |   Don't steal.  The government
Computer Centre                     |   hates competition.
Australian Defence Force Academy    |   (via Jeff Cooper)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and Alcohol: What's The Difference?
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:07:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <lagnaf.713857743@camelot> lagnaf@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeremy 
Styninger) writes:
> In <h-7mj##.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
> 
> >RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:
> >:  (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
> >: > 
> >: > That's me--hipper than thou personified.
> >: > -- 
> >: > Pete Hartman                   Bradley University 
> >: 
> >: Someday I hope I can be like Pete, but right now I'm having a hard 
time
> >: just trying to be like me!
> >: 
> >I think I know what you mean.  I used to be different too but now I'm 
the same.
> 
> Bingo.  I started standing on my own head for a change.
> 
> 
> Jeremy Styninger
> lagnaf@camelot.bradley.edu

...that's strange.... just recently my headaches disappeared. Thanks.

Pete A. Cain
GTE Laboratories          (617)466-4144 vox
40 Sylvan Rd.                (617)890-9320 fax
Waltham, Mass. 02254
"There is nothing new under the sun..."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dmh@world.std.com (David M Harmon)
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Summary:   Halon?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:20:18 GMT

So where does a Halogen lamp fit in under Red/Blue/Near UV/Far UV?
	Dave H.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Bad things happen to bad people, too. But we don't care as much.
					Nico of Elbows
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: _Go Ask Alice_ vs. "White Rabbit"
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:56:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
: 
: 
: 2) The album _Surrealistic Pillow_ came out in 1969, I believe,
: and I suspect the book wasn't out until the early 70's.  Anyone
: with concrete info?

I don't know how concrete my memory is anymore but I first heard the
album, I am pretty sure, as a college junior which would place it closer
to 1966 or before.  I too am interested in a concrete answer.  Anybody
got the vinyl?

Bob
-- 

Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

The universe is one of those things that happens from time to time.

               PGP public key available on request.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: anderss@epx.cis.umn.edu ()
Subject: DM Hydrobromide vs. DM Polistirex
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:47:18 GMT

I seem to remember this being addressed before, but I don't remember
what the answer was.

What is the difference between Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide and 
Dextromethorphan Polistirex?

Regarding the effects when ingested, that is.

-Steve

-- 
__________________

anderss@epx.cis.umn.edu
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14934 talk.politics.guns:19888
From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:42:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug21.214053.23874@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug19.213129.27633@microsoft.com> alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel) writes:
>: 
>: >If there is any drug which (1) stops nearly instantly, (2) is
>: >effective in the _same_ dosage on people of widely different
>: >body mass, (3) causes no serious or lethal damage to the target,
>: >and (4) is reliable, we might be able to construct such a device.
>: >But I am unaware of any drug which meets those parameters.
>: 
>: It's called a nine-millimeter with Glazers. Ok, 3 out of 4.
>
>Sorry, Bob. Even the Glazer slug is not reliable. It works better
>than hard ball, and does not penetrate walls as bad - but that is
>all.

Does anyone have the statistics on one-shot stops, one-shot kills,
multiple-hits, and the like?  From their ads, these-here things are
supposed to be very effective, but I've never heard any stats.

Don't mean this as a flame of your ammo choice, Bob, but I can do
without the nine MikeMike.  Would someone pass the forty-five?

Minor Nit(tm): The name is pronounced "gla-zer," but I've never seen it
spelled anything but "Glaser."  Might be wrong, but thought I'd mention
it. 

--
David "Jester" Winters
dcwst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu *OR* winters@vms.cis.pitt.edu

	Illigitimi non carborundum
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Extraction of opiates from prescription tablets
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:10:37 GMT

In article <713662958snx@nexnix.demon.co.uk>, gary@nexnix.demon.co.uk (Gary Howland) writes:
>Two questions:
>
>1) How do I extract morphine sulphate from "MST Continus" tablets?  What is
>   it that makes these tablets "slow release"?  Is it some sort of chemical
>   binding that can be broken down by another chemical (perhaps some sort of
>   solvent)? (or would just hot water do the trick?)

At a guess, a mortar and pestle would make it quick-release.  Crush it into
powder to increase the surface area for metabolism.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: nicotine extraction
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:31:05 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore) writes:
>
>I think that nicotine has gotten a bad rap.  People are always comparing the
>number of deaths caused by alcohol and nicotine to deaths caused by illegal
>drugs.  Those deaths are not caused by nicotine!  They are caused by other
>factors in the tobacco.  Nicotine itself is relatively safe.  Sure, it is 
>poisonous, but so are all stimulants (that I know of) at high enough dosage.

     Deaths attributed to lung diseases from smoking are of course not
from nicotine, buit the use of nicotine products is a very, very strong
risk factor for heart disease. It's the nicotine, not the other substances
in cigarette smoke, that increases the risk of heart disease, stroke, and
periphial vascular disease. Other stimulants don't lend themselves to the
same sort of usage pattern - at least, in the form in which they are
generally available here and now. I wouldn't be surprised if the long-term
use of low dosages of other powerful stimulants - like chewing coca leaves - 
had similar effects.

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@flubber.cs.umd.edu| "Born to die" | Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
          This is a .signature antibody. Vaccinate your .sig!
     "I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
      democracy - but that could change."
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Parker)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Keywords: Red, Blue, Black, Light, & Help.
Date: 16 Aug 92 08:09:00 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC

Using the ideas in _The_complete_guide_to_growing_Marijuana_, one assumes 
a plant needs 'Red' and 'Blue' rays to grow, right? Well, a FOAF claims
that an ultra-violet light is the most perfect place to get blue rays from.
FOAF also says : ultra-violet light = Black light. <- Truth? Not Truth?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:43:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.125933.25490@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.
rg (Keith Lewis) writes:
>Albert Hofmann's _LSD: My Problem Child_ mentions i.v. chlorpromazine
>(Thorazine) as an antidote for LSD.  Isn't this the same drug they use 
>to incapacitate large unfriendly animals for scientific tagging?
>
>Anyway, it might be handy for a tripper to have some of this around in c
se
>he wanted to abort a bad trip.  
>
>In addition, I'd like to have one of those animal-incapacitating dart gu
s
>around.  I'd rather not have to deal with the morality/legality of killi
g
>somebody who was trying to steal my car stereo.
>
>Does anybody know what kind of permits are required to legally procure t
is
>stuff?  Or where I should look for more info?  The local newsstand is fr
sh
>out of "Chlorpromazine Hunter."  :^)
>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.


 It has been my opinion (as I have posted before) that benzodiazepines
(Valium, Librium, etc.) are superior to chlorpromazine for combatting a
bad trip. I have had good results myself with this. It usually doesn't
stop the trip, but it greatly reduces the anxiety that almost always
accompanies a bad trip. Thereis an article (that I have lost) that even
speculates on some sort of machanism of interaction of diazepam (Valium)
and LSD, but I forget the exact details.

St. Anthony

--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

                       dAdaMatriX
      I've lost my memories to all my fears...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Post-trip free association problems -- is this normal?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:48:18 GMT

In article <KRAWCHUK.92Aug13102745@phecda.cs.sfu.ca> krawchuk@cs.sfu.ca writes:
>
>(Keith Lewis) wrote:
>_________
>kl> For some people it probably is.  I suspect that the true duration of an LSD
>kl> trip is much longer than people think.  A user may not be feeling euphoric
>kl> (or whatever) after twelve hours, but he's definitely not back to normal for
>kl> at least a few days.  

normal? what's that? try 5 years +

>I agree with this, though much of it might be a psychological reaction to
>the intensity and mind-bendingness of the trip. For example, some people I know 
>note a major slow-down and peacefulness sometimes a few weeks after a trip.
>However, it cannot be the drug itself, since it is completely gone from the
>body in roughly 4 days (and no residual effects in the brain are known yet).

i'm interested in your source on the four day thing.

>kl> When can I do it again?
>kl>     "In a week or two"
>kl> Why not in eight hours?
>kl>     "The tolerance lasts a week"
>kl> So it seems there is at least one effect that lasts longer than the
>kl> subjective 8 hours.

i've known people to trip for 10 days on end.
others to trip twice weekly for months on end.
i've known others that could trip at will having ingested nothing
other than meat and potatoes etc.




Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Dosing and vodka
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:03:47 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

iain@ttel.ling writes:
: Is it dangerous to mix LSD with alcohol? I ask this because when mixing  
: someone's drink, I decided to dose her (she was talking about the mother  
: trip she was goning to take after the party and I wanted to help her  
: along). However I didn't know if it's safe to mix LSD and vodka. In case  
: the chance shows itself again, is it? Please post because the address is  
: an alias.

Good timing.  See the thread about being an asshole if you dose someone,
and perhaps having them hunt you down and kill you, if you're lucky.


  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: is this advertisement a Sting?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:30:32 GMT

In article <9208182222.AA06349@atlanta.cc.gatech.edu>, goldsman@CC.GATECH.EDU (Mike Goldsman) writes:
>Are they looking to get busted?   Are they looking to bust people?
>let the buyer beware.

TAE has been doing business in Hawiian Woodrose seeds for some time now. 
They advertise in _High Times_.  What they do is generally above-board and
legal.  Of course, I don't know if their customers adhere to their warning
"NOT SOLD FOR INTERNAL CONSUMPTION"...

>Maybe they are selling sterile bird seed...

Bingo!  I called them and asked if it was sterile.  They said "Yes, we sell
them for cooking and specimen purposes only."  Since they're OK to eat, I
assume they haven't been poisoned *too* badly.

Before anybody asks, you cannot get stoned from potseed brownies.

>  - Our Cannabis Sativa Seeds are of the Highest Quality

I don't know what that means.  Good protein?  Uncontaminated?  High THC
producing genotype?  

Who knows how effective their sterilization process is?  Maybe only 99%.  
If you buy in bulk, you might be able to get a few to grow, and produce your
own seeds (someplace it's legal, of course).  It's definitely more expensive
than birdseed.

>  - These seeds are in limited supply adn T.A.E. has been and is still
>    receiving a large amount of orders for out Cannabis Seeds. So please 
>    order soon to assure that your order is filled promptly

Typical advertising bullshit.  Their ad in August 1992 _High Times_ did not
mention hemp seeds -- just HBWR.  This mass mailing is probably the first
they've publicized it.  

>  - Please call if you would like to place a Visa, MasterCard, or C.O.D.
>    order, or detach and send in the order form below with cash or money
>    order. Personal checks are welcome but will delay order for five weeks
>    so ckeck may clear bank.

Five weeks???  That's a bit unreasonable.  I guess that means they really
don't want to take personal checks.  A sting would *want* personal checks.

>                Seeds are sold for specimen purposes only    (small print)

And cooking, I guess.  Has anybody tried cooking with hemp seeds?  Is it
like tofu, or what?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:15:10 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Aug11.202754.30135@dante.uucp>, mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:
> In article <1992Aug8.085739.358@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>>>     I.  Thou Shalt Not Alter Someone Else's Consciousness. (unknowingly)

  There
> is no possible way you can do it while knowing they won't mind.  If
> they actually wanted to trip, they'd probably do it, don't you think?
> If they didn't want to, then you've just fucked them up.  Only a
> severe asshole would do that to someone.

Well, as a matter of fact, I have been toying with the idea of giving
a close friend a trip, and then telling him/her to use it on me
some time in the next 6 months without me knowing about it, just to
see what it would be liked to be tripped without warning.

Thus, my friend will alter my consciousness in my ignorance, but
will be sure I wont mind.
(OK it is a little off the track, and I don't think you should trip
someone without their permission, but I thought I'd throw it in to
see what you think of the idea).

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14835 alt.radio.scanner:1613
From: 10u6579@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Drug police monitoring.
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:32:33 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales


  I'm sure many of you already know but it is very easy to monitor the various
law enforcement agencies in any big city.  All you need is an inexpensive 
scanner and the radio frequencies.  Here in Sydney Australia there are many 
surveilence operations carried out on the 12 federal police channels and on
some of the state police channels.  The feds seem to have given up on their 
scrambling of late so anyone can listen!
  I am still surprised at the fact that every drug dealer/courier/manufacturer
doesnt have an ear on the police radio frequencies, if they did they would soon
realise if the police were taking an interest in their activities. The police 
realise that they can be overheard but still carry on their operations
unscrambled.
  Anyway here are the Federal police frequencies that seem to be commonly used
in the Sydney area.
488.800Mhz =channel 1
488.375       "     2       (often used for covert car tailing)
489.900       "     3
488.450       "     4
488.425       "     5
488.400       "     6
489.575       "     7
489.925       "     8
489.950       "     9       (often used for surv ops)
488.325       "     10
489.550       "     11
487.800       "     12      (Main call channel)

There are several other interesting frequencies including 489.650 (customs)
and 489.600 (airport customs) to monitor.

   The state police frequency of 468.275Mhz is also often used for drug ops.


Here in Sydney there is an excellent BBS catering for scanner enthusiasts it
can be reached on (02)6513055.


Joe,
University of NSW,
Sydney Australia.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14941 talk.politics.drugs:5922 soc.culture.usa:6794
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:40:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: casper.BtFvBE.It3
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

This has happened in South Africa too; we have police officers making claims
about people breeding babies for sacrifice.  They have no proof, they just know
it's happening.  The religious fanatics here spread these sort of wild rumours
on a regular basis!


Swan Wulfgur			I turned silences and nights into words.
				What was unutterable, I wrote down.
brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za	I made the whirling world stand still.
ibarrett@zaphod.cs.uct.ac.za		- Arthur Rimbaud
						A Season in Hell

				Swans fly silently to the burning sky.


	Alcohol is a Drug	Caffeine is a Drug 	Nicotine is a Drug

				Are you Anti-Drugs?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: hydroponics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:53:35 GMT

I was wondering and think I found a possible serious enterprise...  Since
selling hydroponics equipment _is_ legal, (isn't it?) how about buying 4-5
hydroponics setups at a time mail order and selling 'em at the flee market
for a hefty profit.  That way, people could buy them without putting their
name on a list.  Think it it would work?

marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 14:32:57 GMT


 Pyrethrin is just bug spray. I hope no one out there actually thought
thatthere might be a possibility of it being active... :-)

St. Anthony

--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

                       dAdaMatriX
      I've lost my memories to all my fears...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre