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From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 26 Dec 1992 14:29 CST
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>In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>>     Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>>is the advantage of spreading the wings in an X-wing fighter in deep space?  

Same reason why the x- and y- wings travelled all the way down the trench in
ANH instead of just popping into the trench near the end:  It just looks cool.  

>>     Oh8Jyh yeah, in deep space, we would not be able to hear noise as there
>>no air to carry the sound waves.  When you see a passing ship, it would not 
>>make that vvvvhhisssshhhhh sound... I guess that would make for a boring 
>>battle scene though.

You answered your own question.  Besides, it sounds cool.



just a few random thoughts from thomas, aka ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu

Stupid things to say in the Star Wars Universe:
#4:  "Hey guys, let's follow the _Falcon_ into that asteroid field!"
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
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Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:44:45 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
: 
: >>     Oh8Jyh yeah, in deep space, we would not be able to hear noise as there
: >>no air to carry the sound waves.  When you see a passing ship, it would not 
: >>make that vvvvhhisssshhhhh sound... I guess that would make for a boring 
: >>battle scene though.


	Remember 2001 and 2010?  All you heard was music and the heavy
	stressed breatheing of the man in the EVA suit...  The only
	movie I heard that had the real sounds of space...none.

	Ever see any war films that had the characteristic delay of
	sound from its source to the listener in the proper setup...

	Movies look more cool to the genaral audience if the explosions
	and booms have their appropriate sounds.

			Ryan...
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Current SW?
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:47:00 GMT
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In article <92352.203532DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>In article <11DEC92111046@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>,
>dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) says:
>>Lucas put that introduction in to give the story a fairy-tale quality
>>(along the lines of "once upon a time..."), so I'm not sure how literally
>>we should take it.  The original introduction to the movie was a bit longer,
>>explaining that the story has no relation to earth, and could take place in
>>the future or the past, in our galaxy or another.  His main goal was to
>>disassociate his story from earth as much as possible.
>>
>>--Gallandro
>>
>>    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
> 
>  Oh, I see now.  So those odd creatures running around in the
> movies aren't actually human, but bear a weird resemblance to
> humans ( maybe they're Romulans or something ).  Or if not,
> then we're descended from a race of space-faring humans whose
> technology somehow vanished.  What's Lucas' point in disassociating
> the story from earth, anyhow?  I mean, you really CAN'T do that
> when you're dealing with human characters.  You don't have to
> explicitly mention Earth, but the fcat that you're dealing with
> humans and not aliens brings implicit logical undercurrents
> into the story.

Well gee, look at all these other non-human odd creatures running around
the galaxy, from all kinds of different planets all over the galaxy, all
walking and breathing comfortably in exactly the same atmospheres and
gravity as the "humans."  If something as coincidental as THAT can happen,
why couldn't humans evolve on some other world in some other galaxy,
completely independent of earth?

I'm just repeating what Lucas has said is the purpose of his introduction.  
You can interpret however you like, but bear in mind two things: 1) there's 
really no indication for or against the theory of a far-future narrator, so 
the theory remains just ass unsunstantiated as any that say otherwise, and
2) it's a work of fiction so it makes no difference when it takes place
because it NEVER REALLY TOOK PLACE.  (Oh and by the way, while I'm bursting 
bubbles here, there's no Santa Claus either.)

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network (FUNET)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 20:39:47 GMT

In <?r#@byu.edu> julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton) writes:

>I think the stormtrooper banging his head is a symbol of the
>imcompetence of an empire crumbling apart because of the monomania of
>one man in his search for his son...

Of course! Now I understand the scene! Thanks! I should have
understood it myself but I seem to fail in logical thinking.

>The dice in the cockpit of the Falcon are symbolic of Han's
>happy-go-lucky attitude.  Or they could be more like D&D dice, and
>suggestive that one's fate is decided at random.

I doubt if this is the case. In my opinion, those dices were only
there because Han was fed up with 'sorry, we are temporarily out of
dices' in all casinos he visited - so he went and bought his own
dices. I don't think that this has any deeper meaning.

>I could go on and on all day, but some of you are better at this than
>I am when you're being serious...this could be a fun thread.

I've always thought that the ... thing living in that asteroid in TESB
represents a die-hard rock'n'roll fan. You see, he rolls in a rock and
is probably difficult to kill - he must be very tough guy because he
has chosen such place to live. On the other hand, he doesn't have long
hair like normal die-hard rock fans, but I'm a die-hard rock fan and I
don't have long hair either ...yet.

Then, the thing people often title as error in TESB... I mean the way
how Han's shirt varies when he is about to go cold. Han probably
understood he will be there for a long time and he wanted to wear
something comfortable. Or, he might have wanted look good because he
guessed he'll be hanged to Jabba's wall.

One more... The possible tennis shoe ship in ROTJ.  Who says that
those Star Wars guys are about as tall as we? I know that some of
their measurements have been given, for example Chewie is about n feet
tall. But those 'feet', 'metres', 'inches' etc which appear in Star
Wars, are probably local measurements and not Tellus measurements. So,
back to the main point: Some rebel guys, about 0.05 inch tall, came to
earth and found some lost Nike tennis shoe. They were short of ships
and noticed that they could use the Nike shoe easily. They just put
some engines in it and there they went happily again. One biiiiiig
ship more for them. With the ultimate assistance of this ship they'd
beat the hell out of Empire!

-- 
Tapio Keihanen - tapio@nic.funet.fi \ / "Never look back, never turn!"
                - k135528@cc.tut.fi / \        -Ronnie James Dio, 1981
From: Trebor
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW toys Memories
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:49:35 GMT
Organization: Middle Kingdom
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In article <BzFA86.9Kx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(Sean Alan Squier) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.150049.15535@news.stolaf.edu>
walter@inga1.acc.stolaf.edu (Dr. Egon Spengler) writes:
>>
>Then I had an idea!!  I got out my new 8mm SONY handicam and went into
>the stop motion animation business, complete with dialog and Star
>Tracks music in the background.  My best scene was when I had the
>Rancor Monster sneak up on a platoon on Rebel Commanders (I have about
>20 of the soldier guys each, i.e. stormtroopers, snowtroopers, bespin
>guards, sand people, etc...) and devour them one at a time.  Truly a
>cinematic masterpiece.  Overall it was pretty funny, making fun of the
>characters and their figure limitations, like how the X-Wing Pilots
>head couldn't move from left to right, and Darth Vader was the leader
>since he had the shiniest black helmet.  Has anyone else done this?
>My film ended up around 10 minutes (that's a LOT of stop motion
>photography) and took 2 days...But what the hell, I'm only gonna be 22
>once. =-)
>
>
>Sean Squier
>(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
>ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>
When I was in high school (1985) I had to make a movie for a cinema class. I
realized that neither I, nor any of my friends could act so I decided to do
stop motion animation. I used all of my and my brothers star wars toys,along
with fisher-price adventure people (what great toys),micronauts and He-Man and
Ka-zar large action figures. The movie was called "Ryan's Room" and the basic
plot was that after my brother fell asleep, two boxes of toys at opposite ends
of the room came alive with the "good" toys fighting the bad toys. A huge
battle ensues and at the end when Ryan starts to wake up the toys join together
to put themselves back in the boxes before he notices. I made a shooting script
and storyboard (part of the class requirements) but those ran out after
shooting only about 2 1/2 minutes of film. The rest I improvised. I had a large
plastic dinosaur eat adventure people, Han Solo get in a remote control car and
run down assorted stormtroopers and other baddies until Skeletor flipped the
car. The finished film ran about 7-8 minutes, (Sean is right,that's A LOT of
stop motion) and was a blast. Now if I could only find a super 8 projector so I
could see it again.

Rob Reed
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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Red/green lightsabers
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:49:10 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

Actually, the shift in the color of Vader's saber
is probably related to some old experiments in
which organisms were trained to be blind to
certain factors-such as color. By shifting the
color on the sabre betwen red and green the
people in the audience, after watching unnoticed
for a number of times as most fans did, would
eventually be incpable of discerning red from green.
Thus, Star Wars fans would not be able to competently
react to stop lights resulting in huge numbers of traffic
fatalities and accidents. Since large cars, usually
American, are better protection for drivers in accidents
than small cars, the demand for American big-cars would
increase. Thus we learn that Lucas was bribed by a
coalition of GM, Ford and Chrysler to try to stop the
erosion of the market for the American car by mass-
brainwashing techniques.  In that sense, Lucas could
be called both a patriot, for his protection of the American
industry, and also a pioneer in psycho-engineering. Viva
Lucas!

			John
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.233318.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca writes:
>     Okay, forgive me if this has already been discussed but --- What the hell
>is the advantage of spreading the wings in an X-wing fighter in deep space?  
>The engines are close to the pivot point and do not have a new position that
>is substantially more efficient than they do when the wings are closed.  
>Perhaps the only advantage is the higher degree of laser spread that can be
>achieved????.  
>     Oh8Jyh yeah, in deep space, we would not be able to hear noise as there is
>no air to carry the sound waves.  When you see a passing ship, it would not 
>make that vvvvhhisssshhhhh sound... I guess that would make for a boring 
>battle scene though.
>
>                                   John
Probably for heat dispersion... ANY engine will generate a LOT more heat when it's revved up high... and any CURRENT laser system will generate LOTS of
waste heat, so it seems reasonable to assume theirs would, too...

Then again, it may have something to do with putting their (feeble little fighter-class) "shields" up...
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas the literary genius?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 06:18:07 GMT
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In article <~o#@byu.edu> julie@bones.et.byu.edu writes:
>I'm sorry, but George Lucas is not a Tolstoy or a Dostoevsky or a
>Kafka, and he can't even begin to hold a candle to Dickens.

The structure of the plots, especially the way simultaneous occurrences are
weaved together by synchronicity as if to demonstrate the omnipotence of the
Force, and the weaving of numerous archetypes all show evidence of unusual
genius.

An example of the kind of synchronicity you see all over the place: at the
very instant the tide of darkness turns on Endor as the Ewoks (which the
Emperor never took into account) counter attack, the tide of darkness also
turns as Vader suddenly reverses himself and takes hold of the Emperor
because of his feelings for Luke (which the Emperor likewise never took into
account).  There's no cause and effect between the two events, but they are
linked together by the Force.

And you see numerous cross linkages even across stories.  For instance, the
lesson Luke learns in the cave when he fights Vader, destroys him and then
becomes him comes back to haunt him at the end of the third movie as he
very nearly repeats the same mistake.  That's the instant too when it suddenly
makes sense why he was supposed to confront Vader in order to become a Jedi
(in order to repeat the failed lesson of the cave and get it right).
Another cross linkage laden with the same implication occurs where Vader
cuts off Luke's hand in the second movie, and Luke cuts off Vader's hand
in the third.

And you see all kinds of allegories like this weaved throughout the story.

I know of only two other stories with the same kind of highly allegorical epic
plot structure.  One is fictional (Lord of the Rings), and one is not
(World War II).
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 11:14:20 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Meaningless dialogue
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu

As was pointed out in a previous post, 3PO couldn't seen the Blockade
Runner from the escape pod because it had been "swallowed up" by the
Star Destroyer.  

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
From: novanet@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Favourite Scene (Han + Leia)
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:09:30 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

My favourite scene wasn't scientific. It was just kind of interesting. 
In The Empire Strikes Back, at the very end, Han is being encased in 
carbonite. 
Leia- I love you!
Han- I know. 
This continues throughout the movies, and is kind of funny. 
			My totally unprecedented thoughts. 	
			Yours sincerely, 
			ALF
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From: goldek@aix.rpi.edu (Ken Goldenberg)
Subject: Re: Favorite SW Moments
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:45:53 GMT

After re-watching the trilogy in letterboxed format (wow wow wow), I'd
have to say that the most-incredible-super-dooper moment in any of the
three films (well, that I can think of at the moment) is when the Falcon
swings down towards the trench in ANH to shoot the second TIE fighter.
The sun behind the Falcon makes it glow "just right"


					-Mitch
-- 
_____
goldek@rpi.edu                                SkateAway, that's all  
Kenneth Mitchell Goldenberg                   "It's a running gag"
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
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Subject: Mac-Samples **PROBLEM**
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:54:25 GMT
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I found an FTp-site with *lots* of samples from the StarWars-movies,
imagine the disgust/surprise I felt when I discovered that they were
Macintosh-binaries. I do have a program that converts sounds between
many different formats, among those some of the ones common in the Mac-world,
however (this almost goes without saying) it doesn't recognize Mac-binaries.
The problem is I don't have access to any Macs (only SPARC-stations), is there
an easy/cheap way to deal with this problem ?

/Mattias

_______
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite moments ...
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:57 CST
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In article <1211@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell) writes...
>From RotJ:
>		o  The point where Darth Vader threatens to turn Luke's
>		   sister to the Dark Side all the way thru the point
>		   where Darth Vader dies.

[chomp]

>		   I beleive that in those final
>		   moments, Luke turned to the Dark Side (this is just my
>		   opinion), you could even see the hatred in his face as
>		   he stood over a defeated Darth Vader just before he looked
>		   at Darth Vader's arm where he saw how much like his father
>		   he had become.  That was the point at which he turned back
>		   to the Light Side.  The Emperor even knew that he had
>		   turned, that's why he was laughing and also why he became
>		   so enraged when Luke threw away his sabre and declared
>		   his triumph.

George Lucas said basically that in _From Star Wars to Jedi_, when he was 
talking about that scene, he said that at that part of the script, all that
was written was "Darth Vader says something that enrages Luke".  He pondered
over that for days until he realized that the answer was staring him in the
face...his sister.  From then on, Luke was supposed to have been taken over 
by the Dark Side, but when he slices off his father's hand on the bridge, 
much like a reversal of the Bespin saber duel, Luke steps away from the Dark 
Side.

as an aside, _From Star Wars to Jedi_ has the Jabba scene from ANH in pan 'n 
scan version (a shock after watching the other three movies on my new VHS
letterboxed edition--i'll never watch Star Wars on P 'n S again!!).  Jabba 
was filmed as a human, and the special effects people were going to change
the human into a stop-motion creature, but the scene was cut before they were
able to do that.

-thomas

Stupid things to say in the Star Wars Universe:

#2:  "You're a big weenie, Darth."
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:29:45 CST

In article <1992Dec30.151843.7872@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
>In <1hsc3hINNal5@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>>> I wouldn't call these bugs 'script errors', they're more like
>>> technical errors. Currently I can think of these:
>>>
>>>
>>> - on Endor in ROTJ, when the rebels surrend to imperials, one Stormtrooper
>>> raises his hands too (someone had an explanation for this here but 
>>> can't remember what it was)
>>
>>when they took the gaurds to the 'back door' one of the rebels dressed
>>up as a stormtrooper so noone would notice a missing guard.
>>
>>foomshanka
>>
>>avik@icase.icase.edu
>
>Well than that makes him a pretty stupid rebel in disquise.  The
>dude should have kept his arms down, and at the best opportunity
>started blasting as many Imperials as possible.
>

Maybe it was just a stoopid Stormtrooper.
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:20:34 -0600
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  You must have missed the one message that was from some guy, who knows a
person, who is working on the sound stage, where Star Wars is now being
filmed. ( not too clear...uh )
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From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
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Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:23:39 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

In article <1hsc3hINNal5@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
|> 
|> when they took the gaurds to the 'back door' one of the rebels dressed
|> up as a stormtrooper so noone would notice a missing guard.
|> 

Are you sure about this ?? When is this ?? (I have to imideately go home and check.)
I cant remember this....

// Anders Liden.
Mysse of Kingdoms.
You dont know the power of the dark side of the force.
al@fy.chalmers.se
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
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Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 26 Dec 1992 10:44:16 -0600
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  "Which Star Wars?"

  Andy, I did not keep the source message but a week or two ago some guy
said that he was connected or has a contact with someone on the soundstage
that the lastest Star Wars is being filmed. Star Wars: Untitled is being
shot even as we speak...or type.
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From: Michael_Hilgers@k.maus.de (Michael Hilgers)
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Subject: Re: Star Wars RPG - Second Edi
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 02:04:00 GMT
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In an article Anders Liden (support@fy.chalmers.se) wrote:

s>Well, I bought it with the same feelings as you apperently have, and I
s>must say that
s>I was most positivly surprised. It's almost an entirly new game.
s>The game is MUCH more role playing now, and a player DONT grab his
s>blaster leaves his home goes out and saves the universe and then goes
s>home for lunch. It's really starting to become a really neat role
s>playing game, but then again, the
s>fast action, I cannot die game that SW was is gone. In second edition,
s>you CAN actually DIE (!!!) as a player.
s>
s>The skill system is compleately redone, with TONS of new skills for
s>example :
s>starship piloting (x-wing fighters a.s.o)
s>capital ship piloting (BIG ships)
s>spacefreighter (I think) piloting (i.e piloting Cargo ships Container
s>ships and...... STOCK LIGHT FREIGHTERS !!!)
s>
s>I think the system has really turned out nicely and is a very fun game
s>to play. However
s>if you are looking for a game with fast action, I cannot die and the
s>"let's save the universe"
s>style, dont buy second edition.
s>
s>The boring part is that the new book is written in a much more messy
s>system then the
s>first. Like everything is written in ONE part. (That's the impression
s>anyway.) I thought the first book was very neatly divided into sections
s>with Force/Combat/Ship combat
s>a.s.o, but this one is very cludgy.
s>
s>Anyway, it's a new, fun and interesting book. I like it.
s>
s>Anders Liden
s>Mysse of Kingdoms
s>Fan of Darth Vader
s>Chalmers.
s>Sweden.

Thank you very much for this preview. I think I will buy my own copy as soon as
possible.

I wish you a happy New Year
     Michael
michael_hilgers@K.maus.de