HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tony@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tony Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: BBS packages/replies
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:21:32 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

--> I want to thank those who were kind enough to respond to my
    request for BBS software package information. I received several
    replies with promo's for ProLine (but no snailmail address) and
    several replies with critiques (which our user group certainly
    does appreciate!) and a couple of email addresses for us to
    contact. Voice phone numbers or postal addresses might have
    been a bit easier for us - but the responses were a pleasant
    surprise. Thanks. Looks like one of us will need to learn some
    kind of programming skills to be able to set up a BBS package,
    which seems rather daunting at present. We were hoping for a
    fully realized, stand alone, any idiot (like us) can run it
    type of package, but at least we have a place to start from!
    Again... Thanks!    =B=Y=E= -Tony.
 

Tony Turner              tony@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: shamus@pro-phx.cts.com (James Abendschan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Cat People
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:09:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-phx] -- Glendale, Az


 
Hi and hi.  These are the people who replied via email to my orginal post &
the things they came up with... I know some of you asked me for the
information I got, so here it is.
 
---------------------------------- cut here
 
<kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Plague writes:
 
>I've got lots of 5.25" DOS 3.3 disks that have AppleCat stuff on them. 
The
>only thing is I haven't accessed any of my 5.25" disks in over a year
because
>I don't have a 5.25" drive.  I'm looking into buying one, though.  If I
can
>get one soon enough, you're welcome to any of the programs I have for the
Cat.
 
[later in time]
 
>Here's what I'm gonna do.  Three people have asked for copies of my
AppleCat
>programs, so I'm going to supply the 5.25" disks, copy them for you all,
and
>mail them off to you, but I will send them postage due (after all, I'm
supply-
>ing the disks :)  Please send me your Snail Mail address by the end o the
>week.  I should have the 5.25" drive by then.
 
 
bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon) writes:
 
>I have several hacker commo programs for the AppleCat.... want em?
>Some are Dos 3.3 based....
 
 
carndt@nike.calpoly.edu (Chris Arndt) writes:
 
>About all I have is a special assembly language (?) routine to
>drive the X-10 controller output from applesoft, and an applesoft
>program or two that use it. Seems like I disassembled it or something
 
>Anyway, if you are interested, let me know. I'd like to know what other
>responses you get.
 
>Oh, yeah... one of the programs uses that X-10 driver and a hacked
>version of the answering machine program from the Applecat manual to
>do answering machine, special message delivery, and remote home control
>all at once.
 
>I think its in DOS 3.3
 
 
schwartz@mindvox.phantom.com (Dave Schwartz) writes:
 
>If you can telnet, you should try phantom.com, they have like most of the
>old Apple II people who wrote stuff for the Apple-Cat online here,
>although most of them are using Workstations and Unix now.  There is a lot
>of history here, and a lot of Apple II stuff.
 
 
bl298@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Palaima) writes:
 
>I know you can use it as an answering machine ask archie for the file
>location of answer.machine.bxy but search for just answer... for the file
>you need.
 
---------------------------------- cut here
 
 
Thanks to everyone who replied and kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague?) and
bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon) in particular for agreeing to mail me
disks.
 
[If you sent me mail but your name isn't on this list it just means I
haven't gotten it yet; my host doesn't dial up the internet nearly as often
as I'd like it to! ;]
 
Thanks again....
"shamus"
----
ProLine:  shamus@pro-phx           Internet: shamus@pro-phx.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-phx!shamus     ARPA:     crash!pro-phx!shamus@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: Matt Ackeret <unknown@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Apple 5.25 Drive
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:01:52 GMT
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:03:17 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A727EA75430103D0@kip2-19.apple.com>
Organization: Apple

In article <kb84138@pro-storm.cts.com> Jason Addison,
mustang@pro-storm.cts.com writes:
>I have the apple 5.25 drive (the platinum one) and I recently, ahem,
>dropped it on a tile floor.  It is now impossible to even stick a disk
into
>the drive.  Has this happened to anyone's drive before?  Any ideas on how
>to fix it?  (If it requires repair, I may just buy an older drive...)  If

I don't know how the 5.25" drive is constructed, but I had a similar
problem 
with an Apple 3.5" drive a few years ago.  I thought I had completely
ruined the 
drive, and at the time I was too paranoid to open up the drive myself.

It ended up that the inside metal framework was bent a little bit which
made getting
a disk into/out of the drive very difficult.. My solution was simply to
take one of those
3.5" plastic "travelling" disks and stick it half way in teh drive and
wiggle/jam it side
to side to bend the interior framework back.

Try to see if something like this is causing your problem.. You might
have to actually
open the drive, since on my 3.5" drive, I couldn't see from the outside
that it was simply
a physical blockage of the path.
From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Looking for RTF info
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:19:32 GMT
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.

I've found a bunch of RTF files I'd like to convert to plain text.
The only problem is that I can't seem to find any information on the
format.  I looked for a filetype note on RTF...no such luck.  archie
didn't turn up any likely suspects either.  The only way I can figure
out at this time to convert the files is to mouse around with them on
a NeXT or a Mac...not an appealing prospect since I'd like to make the
process as automatic as possible.  Does anybody have any info on RTF?

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!           Ask me about SoftDAC--digital
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis          audio for your Apple IIe/IIc!
 \_^_/  If Bill Clinton is the answer, it must've been a damn stupid question!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: forsyth@iat.holonet.net (Erik S. Forsyth)
Subject: Re: Apple II ftp sites...
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:16:16 GMT

My sincere thanks goes out to those who replied.  Thank you.

-Erik-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: FPE questions
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:07:38 GMT

>From: gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (gudat henrik)
>Subject: FPE questions
 
>Those who own a FPE - I need your help. Please answer the following
>questions:
 
>- I'd like to make GSymbolix compatible with the FPE. I'm planning to
>make use of this card directly without going throiugh the toolbox first.
>(I think the manual describes thgis method quite well..)
>Question: the program must work with the FPE even when the slot is not
>set to your card - similar to ProTerm.
>What programming techniques are needed to do this? Since life is quite
>ciomplex, I guess that simply switching the bit in the slot register is
>not enough...
 
>- What's the most recent version of the FPE? I heard that early
>version(s) do not work with Zips (or TWGS, don't know)..
 
Henrik,
  I don't own an FPE, but I believe there was a compatability problem between
the FPE and TWGS. I've heard of fixes for the FPE and TWGS. I read that the
TWGS change was simple but AE never bothered to make it standard. I've read of
no problems between the Zip and FPW.
  Why don't you just keep calling SANE and let the FPE software take care of
the dirty work? Also, I believe ORCA/C generates code to go directly to the
FPE. Disabling interrupts and fiddling with the slot register at $C02D would
suffice, but the more correct, Apple-recommended method would be to use the
Slot Arbiter. As I don't have Slot Arbiter docs, I imagine they are in the
GS/OS Device Driver Ref. I'd hate to have to fiddle with the Slot Arbiter every
time, but I also imagine some calculations (and the quantity thereof) would
have you disabling interrupts for too long if you mess with $C02D directly.
 
  You can't literally work with the FPE "similar to Proterm". The SCC
softswitches are not in slot space, so PT can get to them w/o worrying about
the slot settings.
 
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu
:write
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: .tar, .zoo, .lzh, etc....
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:00:14 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Nov11.152738.15647@cpu.com> gwlester@cpu.com writes:

>	If you are running GNO on a IIgs, there is a version of tar on
>pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu in /pub/apple2/gno callled tar.SHK (I think that is the
>name).

FYI, the version of tar on pindarus should work just fine with Orca; I believe
it is a version that was ported before GNO.
-- 
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
|          James Brookes            | Inet: bb252@cleveland.freenet.edu |
|``What, me worry?'' - A. E. Neuman |   jamesb@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu |
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (gudat henrik)
Subject: Re: AVATAR
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.161132.1241@news.columbia.edu> stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.075926.23032@nuscc.nus.sg> isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE) writes:
>>Jerry Penner (jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca) wrote:
>>: 65265 (do they exist?) will likely slow things down.
>>: -- 
>>: Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
>>
>	Umm, sorry, that doesn't mean it exists...  Mensch has been
>talking about the "computer on a chip" for a while now... (same with
>the 65832)... I can't say that I've seen either.  Although the specs
>are floating around for the 832...
>
>
>Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
>stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
>America On_Line:  DWS Steve
>Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!

Oh, does that mean that the 832 is vaporware? I though it came out some
time ago...

Does anybody out there know what the math unit does? Is it a built-in
integer or floating point processor?

henrik
-- 
Bright Software CH   gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch   Bright Software USA
P.O. Box 18          any demo: US$3.00              P.O. Box 120
4153 Reinach 2       info on GSymbolix, ShadowDial, Exeter, ME 04435-0120
Switzerland          Gate, SpaceFox, Mandelbrot     U.S.A.
From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: more on "Finder requires... 300K"
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:04:34 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Dave Empson asks:
>Does Finder generate that error message when its StartUpTools call
>fails (for whatever reason)?  Andy?  Dave?

That's what I have heard... basically that message appears for a host
of startup problems.

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works.
From: egg@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Do you have it? (Robot Odyssey)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:04:18 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

I am looking for someone who has a copy or Robot Odyssey. I know its an ancient
game but I'm trying to write something based on it. If anyone knows where I can
get a hold of a copy or at least a tatty old copy of the manual (if the game
is not entirely extinct yet)?

Themie Gouthas
egg@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: .tar, .zoo, .lzh, etc....
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:32:35 GMT


>From: meistro@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume)
>Organization: ProLine [pro-nsdapple] - North San Diego Apple Users Group
>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:45:13 PST
>Subject: .tar, .zoo, .lzh, etc....

I'm not up on this topic, but I think...

GS-ShrinkIT will extract .zoo files and that their is a shell utility
that will extract .lzh files.

Jay
jay.krell@cornell.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: Pick'N'Pile
Keywords: Words which summarize the content
Organization: Two Meg Software World Domination HQ.  Just say "GNO" to GNO...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:24:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.154623.11350@klaava.Helsinki.FI> cust_ts@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
>I took this file from ccosun, but it doesn't unpack. Does anybody have a
>version that works?

The version on ccosun unpacks fine.  Its human (ie your) error...

On the subject of ccosun, how come files from cba2 haven't been appearing there
lately like they normally do?  Todd?

>	Tero Sand


-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
  "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
   Ask me about the GS<>IRC demo...better yet ask daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bgilbert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brenden Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Pinball Wizard GS
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:49:48 GMT



	Krishna, you mentioned something about Pinball Wizard GS.  Wel there is such a beast and I have it in complete form.. no, don't ask me where I got it, I'd be comprising some people's lives... :)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
**> Brenden Gilbert - Computer Science Major Undergrad - CSU Northridge!
**> You can reach me at: vbcsc038@vax.csun.edu OR bgilbert@nyx.cs.du.edu
**> LONG LIVE THE IIGS!! APPLE II INFINITIUM!  Ask me about C Programming!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: TWGS vs. ZipChip
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.040825.20365@ausom.oz.au> cjs%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au writes:
>It is interesting that ZIP don't sell >9 MHZ zips out of Amarica .. I cann't
>figure this out .. why wouldn't they ship fast zips internationally??!!

I beg your pardon. I have had a Zip GS 10MHz/64k cache for quite some time on
a ROM03 ( and it's worked great). No problems with Zip's. In fact, I really 
didn't with the TWGS either except for heat.

In any case, I live in Canada which is not yet part of the US!
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: wsquires@lonestar.utsa.edu (William H. Squires)
Subject: Re: Repost of Console I/O
Followup-To: Repost of Console I/O
Summary: Oops
Keywords: Console,conio,keyboard Some important revisions to Console I/O have been made. Should be on cba2 Soon to come: 80 column screen manipulation library, random number handling Still in development: Playing card library, text based event library, text A definite maybe: A complete D&D+ game w/source (in Orca/C)! This will be Check here for the latest updates! wsquires@lonestar.utsa.edu
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:42:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.033823.19170@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wsquires@lonestar.utsa.edu (William H. Squires) writes:
>
>
>

  Please ignore the Keywords sh*t! My mailer sux! Anyway, For those interested,
the Console I/O archive has been reposted after making some corrections in the
source code so that it will produce a correct CONLIB file compatible with
Orca/Pascal. Also, the docs have been updated.
  Coming soon to a cba2 site near you: 80 column screen manipulation routines,
routines for handling decks of standard playing cards, routines for random-
number managing, and routines to handle common prompting tasks.
  Still in development: Text-screen based event-manager, text based menuing
and windowing (similar to AppleWorks) routines, 2-D and 3-D graphing routines.
  A definite maybe: A complete D&D style game w/source in C! (maybe even
Pascal, if you ask nicely!) It will be based on TSR's D&D game, and will have
extra features not available even under AD&D (like constructing your own
magic effects, and a complete game editor)!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re: 5.0.4 and Mac FST?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:11:37 GMT

Andrew L. Farris writes
>     Having yet not updated to system 6.0 due to memory constraints, I'm not
> familliar with it.. I heard somewhere that included with 6.0 is a Mac FST  
that
> lets you read macintosh formatted disks, is there any way I could get this
> FST, install it on my 5.0.4 disk and use it successfully under 5.0.4

Well, I'll just say now what MattD will say later...

	NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! (get the picture?? :)

	The HFS FST makes some calls that are alien to 5.0.4 and could cause  
some very unpredictable results (like maybe trashing some file devices). But if  
you do wish to experiment (I'm not liable for that) the FST does work ok for  
copying files from HFS to ProDOS and from ProDOS to HFS, but a) don't expect  
anything fancier than that - like running applications from the HFS volumes. b)  
do not format any HFS devices (mine crashed when I tried to do that to the RAM  
Drive). And c) just hope that it never returns an error.

	Moral of story : If you want to use the HFS FST, USE SYSTEM 6! Or if  
you just want to read HFS disks, there are some Prodos Programs like HFSLink  
that will let you read files from them

_______________________________________________________________________________
> Send!Name: An(Drew) L. Farris  
|Send!Info:Cyberpunk.Industrialboy.Technojungend
> Send!AKA:Grimmore@Chrome+.Fraktur@TIM.DREW6510.Anonymous
> Send!Add: alfarris@mailbox.syr.edu              
> Send!Quote: "Destruction is not negative, You must destroy to build."
> Send!Quote!Path: Drawings of Patient O.T./Einsteurzende Neubauten 
> Send!Terminal!Loc: Shaw box 105!775 Comstock Ave.!Syracuse NY 13210-------aLf
>  
``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

--
| Hal Bouma                            | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu    |
| Macalester College, St. Paul, MN.    | and           HBouma@Macalstr.Bitnet |
 \  Things that make you go Hmmm:  System 6, GNO, DreamGrafix, SoundMeister  /
  \  Coming sometime this decade for the //GS : NBA! (GNO compatible too!)  /
   \  Drop by and say hi to us anytime on the #AppleIIGS channel on IRC!!  /
From: gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Zip Help!
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:11:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon) writes:
: 
: I beg your pardon.... alot of us have purchased software/hardware from
: other sources, mainly folks going to other platforms, and alot of them
: DIDN'T come with full documentation...

     I am pretty sure that he was only joking.  Did you see the ;-) ?
     He was just giving Jawaid a hard time.

Gary
-- 
Gary F. Desrochers
gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:23688 misc.forsale.computers:39799
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:07:03 EST
From: <TJK111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Software forsale GS

GS Software:

DreamGraphix........$40
Alien Mind..........$10

Prices include shipping.

Thomas Kishel
109 East 33rd.
Erie, Pa, 16504
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re: Hard drive compression etc.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:49:33 GMT

Herbert Fung writes
> With the release of hard drive compression utilities, HardPressed and 
> Auto Arc
> brings up a question. Both of these utilities are boasting that they will
> double the size of the hard drive. So my question is, will a 20 meg hard 
> drive
> equiped with HardPressed or Auto Arc become a 40 meg drive? If so, will 
> it have
> to be partitioned?

	No, they are just calculating that if the file compressor does on  
average a 50% file compression rate, you will in a sense "double" your hard  
drive space because you can have twice as many files on the hard drive as  
before. It can be a misleading term, but it is correct. However, the physical  
hard drive size does not change, so no worry about changing partiton sizes.

| Hal Bouma                            | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu    |
| Macalester College, St. Paul, MN.    | and           HBouma@Macalstr.Bitnet |
 \  Things that make you go Hmmm:  System 6, GNO, DreamGrafix, SoundMeister  /
  \  Coming sometime this decade for the //GS : NBA! (GNO compatible too!)  /
   \  Drop by and say hi to us anytime on the #AppleIIGS channel on IRC!!  /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: Apple II SuperDrive card, Apple Catalog
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  8 Nov 92 02:53:02 GMT

Something interesting about the catalog: The only "hilighted" computers
are the PowerBooks 145 and 160. There is a two page chart with all the Macs.
Apple II accessories and software are included (including Access II communications software), but no Apple II CPU's are included :(
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu
From: herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Incompatible software?
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:43:44 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Previously Volker Herrmann wrote:
 
>Hi,
>there is another way to put Modulae etc. on a hard disk. All
>you need is a Ramfast SCSI.
>Make one or two (or as many as you like) HD partitions each
>sized 800K. Then copy the 3.5" disk on the partition and
>reboot. While rebooting you have to press the appropriate
>keypad key. Supposed your 800K partition is the third one
>then you have to press the '3' on the keypad.
 
A friend once told me that he would not bother getting any software
that would require him to use unconventional methods to run. He has a
Unidisk drive and a hard drive and can't run alot of stuff because it
required an Apple 3.5 drive. Any software that isn't GS/OS compatible
isn't worth his time to use no matter how good it may look.
 
I can sympatize with him. I would not go and repartition  and
reformat my hard drive everytime I run into software that isn't
compatible with GS/OS. Any software designed for the GS should follow
Apple's guidelines. However a program like the DOS 3.3 Launcher might
be a good idea, but there are just too many different kinds of
independant OS for the GS.
 
--
Herbert Fung                    | "Hard work doesn't make miracles,
Edmonton Remote Systems         |   Miracles just make hard work!"
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada       |       The Herbster! 1988

Herbert Fung              herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca