From: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:58:14 GMT
Summary: Pay attention, folks...one more time...
Reply-To: vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Victoria C Fike)
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In article <1992Nov16.074153.6363@leland.Stanford.EDU> jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:

>	So, if a whole bunch of us wanted to start posting comments about
>baseball to rec.music.misc, or fictional stories to comp.sys.mac.misc, that
>would make a lot of sense?

First of all, this is *nothing like* posting, as you say, baseball comments
to rec.music.misc.  It's much more along the lines of posting adventuring
stories to rec.games.frp in the old days.  They were able to form two alt
groups--dragons-inn and pub.dragons-inn, plus form several archives.  We
*tried* to form a group of our own, but some enterprising moron managed
to screw over both sides of the controversy.  Scav has already mentioned 
this.

>	The question which Jim really seems to be posing here is whether or
>not the LNH postings have anything to do with comics.  Personally I don't
>think they do.  If it belongs in any sort of misc group, it should really
>go in one of the fiction newsgroups.  If I were to post a few fictional
>goofy stories about baseball in a baseball newsgroup, nobody would really
>mind I suspect.  But if it came to the point where 1/3 to 1/2 the posts on
>some days were all looney, self-referential, cliquish baseball fiction, I
>would expect a lot of people to become really tired of it.  I wouldn't really 
>mind it if all those who post LNH stuff would adhere to some sort of make-it-
>easy-to-put-in-a-kill-file convention, but they just don't.  

LNH postings come nowhere *near* to forming 1/2, 1/3, or even 1/4 of the 
postings on r.a.c.m.  I don't have figures, but I'd be willing to bet LNH 
doesn't take up so much as one-TENTH of the traffic here.

As for the killfile option, we (the Council of Elders of the LNH) have been
actively encouraging all crossposters to use the LNH: heading.  But we can't
force them to, and it is unfair for you to blame all LNH devotees for the
peregrinations of a few.

>	There are plenty of options for people who like doing the LNH stuff,
>but don't want to really annoy the other 95% of the rec.arts.comics.misc 
>readers. They could start their own "official" group in the rec.* hierarchy,
>they could create a mailing list and do LNH stuff that way, or they could just
>be thougtful and make sure that all LNH posts had a big "LNH" in the subject
>line so that people could kill it really easily.

As someone has already stated, trying to form yet another group would cause
more confusion and waste of bandwidth than the present situation warrants. 
We are encouraging all readers who don't get a.c.lnh to complain vociferously
to their sysadmins--hopefully, in time this will mean that everyone who wants
LNH can get it, and the rest of you won't have to worry about it.  As for a
mailing list, there is far too much traffic on a.c.lnh; we are already above
440 posts.  It just wouldn't be practical.

Look, people.  What we are trying to say is, this is a bad situation on all
sides.  We're doing our best to carry out our interests with as little in-
convenience to the rest of the net as possible.  If you'll just bear with
us--and WORK WITH US, instead of griping (or sabotaging our efforts, as that
charming individual did in the first place)--we should be able to resolve
the whole mess with equal satisfaction for all parties involved.

Tori

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Victoria C. Fike                    |   "Put your feet on the ground,
vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu         |    Put your hand on your heart,
Lurking Girl of the LNH             |    Lift your head to the stars
"If you have to be a hero, always   |    And the World's for your taking..."
remember what the word hero means." |       --Queen, "The Hero"
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