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Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 10:36:25 CET
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: EVILS

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From: zedaker@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:34:56 GMT

>In article <1992Nov20.172852.7409@midway.uchicago.edu>
>stuart@violet.uchicago.edu.cs (Stuart A Kurtz) writes:
>> > Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.
>> > Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
>> > impotent-both spiritually and physically.
>> >
>> >             This is from Jason.
>>
>> And no smiley!  Perhaps assuming that the original posting was serious
>> is in error, but as Luther said, "Sin boldly, but trust God more boldly
>> still!"
>>
>> Jason,
>>
>> As far as I know, Islam and Mormon are the only major religions in the
>> west that view the drinking of alcohol for pleasure as intrisically
>> sinful (no slight intended if I have missed your personal dry
>> religion!), yet the overwhelming majority of the ethical police on the
>> net are Christian.  I assume for this reason that you are Christian.
>>
>> It would be remarkable for any *Christian* to oppose the consumption of
>> alcoholic beverages for pleasure.  Jesus himself not only consumed
>> alcoholic beverages for pleasure (cf. Luke 7:31-35), but is reported to
>> have miraculously converted water to wine at the wedding at Cana (cf.
>> John 2:1-11).  So, assuming that you are Christian, you are
>>   (1) denying the validity of the Gospel testamony concerning Jesus;
>and/or
>>   (2) asserting that Jesus was sinful.
>> To the best of my knowledge, all manifestations of Christianity  likely
>> to produce ethical police would view either of these propositions as
>> anathema.
>>
>> Alcohol, like sex, food, and friends, are all gifts of a loving God.
>> We can enjoy these gifts responsibly, or abuse them as we choose.
>> Clearly abusing God's gifts is sinful, but is not also sinful to deny
>> the giver?
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Stu
>
>****I couldn't have said it better myself, Stu.  --Pam****


PLEASE, PLEASE continue in alt.religion.nobeer||||
There is NO POINT in discussing religious opinions in alt.beer |||
I think Jesus is old enough to be able to difference between GOOD and
EVIL people by himself, so let him do his job and let us think about our
own matters and don't bother peaceful people.
...
BTW: If beer drinking for pleasure is sinful, then Water Drinking for
     pleasure is sinful. So, sin for sin, I prefer beeing sinful with beer...
...
Regards, Werner.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Mead
From: gormsby@hotspur.gac.edu (Gabriel S Ormsby)
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:19:57 -0600
Reply-To: Re:  What's wrong with skim milk for non-infants

I know this is alt.beer and all, but a friend of mine has produced a few  
batches of mead at home using honey, tap water, and active dry yeast (the  
breadbaking stuff).  It turned out fairly well, with alcohol content in  
the 10-15% range.  Does anyone have any suggestions or experience  
regarding mead production?  (Improved quality, maturation time, etc)   
Questions welcome, too.

Gabe
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mbfeld@unix.amherst.edu (A waste of bandwidth)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:36:11 GMT


8905991@ul.ie wrote:
: Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
: Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
: impotent-both spiritually and physically.

When is alcohol not drunk for pleasure?

And besides, even if alcohol does have the bad effects you describe, how
do they make it sinful?  Who is sinful- a sober miser or a generous, caring
lush?

Marlon the Devil's Advocate

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Was 53 reasons...
Keywords: 53 reasons
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:01:14 GMT

The previous poster made a good point. Humor about differences between the
sexes can be quite funny. Elaine Boozler is a hysterical comedian whose 
primary material is men and women. I wouldn't ask her to tone down her
humor for the world. On the other hand, someone should neuter Dice Clay.

Paul

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: Buddywiser
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:40:42 GMT

math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:

> I don't know if this is true but someone once told me that Bud is one of the
> sweetest beers (at least of the megabrews). If this true, then that may be
> 

Actually, When compared with other beers, I find Bud has an Apple
flavor, which when cold reminds me of crisp apples...  I thought
i read somewhere that Bud has a reletivley high proportion of the 
ester ethyl hexanoate.  
tastes good to me too ( once in a while )...

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From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: special export
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:41:24 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <serb.178@polisci.umn.edu> serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
>Special Export over Sam Adams, which I think is overrated.  BUT, everyone 
>here seems to love Sam Adams, and I'm sure I'm probably in the minority.  

   Some of Samuel Adams' brews are a bit overrated, like the Lager and the
Octoberfest (I haven't tried the Cranberry Lambic yet, but I've heard it
doesn't compare at all to a true Belgian lambic).  The Boston Ale is ok,
but most other American microbreweries do much better at this style.  How-
ever, I really like the Winter Lager, and the Double Bock is pretty darn
good too.  The wheat is a bit weak, but still fairly good.
-- 
Ernest M. Crvich                       Pressure building inside your head 
crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu               Compression pushing to the red 
general@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu                Limbs are numb, control is lost 
Blacksburg, Virginia                   Bag of blood is about to bust
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: machman@stein.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: Winter Warmers are back!
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:36:31 GMT

marc@venus.clearpoint.com (Marc Washburn) writes:

>Its almost Winter and the first Winter Warmers are here...
>
>1. Samual Adams ww -  Great Great taste...a little heavy on the alcohol 
>   content.
>2. Harpoon Winter Lager - One of my favorite, definitly three thumbs up.
>
>These are the first two i was able to get my hands on, if anybody has seen 
>others, please post...
>
>Marc Washburn
>Marc@Clearpoint.com
>Now i know why i like winter sooo much even though i hate the weather....

Being from the Northwest, I'm exposed to a huge variety of quality Winter
Ales.  I've already tried quite a few of this year's editions, which I will 
rank in descending order of how much I like them:

Deschutes Jubelale -- copper-colored, well-hopped, malty.  I LOVE it.
Pyramid Snow Cap -- not as heavy as it usually is, but very complex taste.
Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale -- not much character but bitter.  it's okay.
Red Hook Winterhook -- as good as it's been.  i've never been too impressed.
Full Sail Wassail -- disappointing decline from last year.  not too good.

Last year, I would have put the Wassail near or at the top.  I don't know
what happened to it this year.  Luckily I saved a six pack from last year,
I liked it so much.  I think I have about two bottles left.

Others that I haven't yet tried this year are the following:

Grant's Spiced Ale
Thomas Kemper Winterbraeu
Anchor's Our Special Ale

I haven't seen Anchor's yet, otherwise I would have already tried it!  :^9
Last year's was wonderfully spiced with juniper.  I'm really looking forward
to it this year.

And I'm not even mentioning the non-bottled Winter Brews!  This is certainly
my favorite time of year when it comes to beer.  And for me, it comes to beer
pretty often.  :^)  

				Happy hoppy,

						-- dave

-- 
 /'''   The Machman        machman@u.washington.edu        david c carroll
 c-OO                                                                      
    \                     "Big Science.  Hallelujah"
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From: marc@venus.clearpoint.com (Marc Washburn)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: re: EVILS
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:56:56 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corporation

In article <19961.2b0adcab@ul.ie> 8905991@ul.ie writes:
>Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
>Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
>impotent-both spiritually and physically.
>
>		This is from Jason.

Hmm, I'm just going to have to tell the local Priest to quit drinking wine during church services...............NOT!!!

That brings up another question, did Jesus (according to the Bible a real lush), prefer wine or beer?

Marc Washburn
Marc@clearpoint.com
The opinions expressed here are not opinions, but just silly statements which my employer would probably not agree with. But then who really knows...
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh)
Subject: Fuller's ESB draught [was Re: Good English Ales]
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:01:25 EST

In <1992Nov16.223823.20771@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:

>Bass has been one of my favorite beverages for quite sometime now...I
>also enjoy Newcastle's Brown Ale and recently introduced myself to the
>pleasure of drinking Double Diamond...(I was interested to note that
>DD, like Bass, is brewed in Burton-on-Trent).  Can any of you in
>net/beer land recommend any other like ales?

I have been a long-time fan of Fuller's ESB (Extra Special Bitter) ale. It
is one of the finest examples of British Ales, and tonight I had the very
great pleasure of having it on draft for a mere $1.25 a mug at the local
speciality pub (seats about 8 people!). I highly recommed this ale in
bottles, and especially on tap if you can get it. It is what Bass _should_
be, and what Double Diamond _wants_ to be (IMHO)...complex and fascinating!
(And it leaves Newcastle Brown Ale slumbering in the corner...)
From: cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk (Colin Crist)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good English Ales
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:10:04 GMT
Reply-To: cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom


In article 20771@dartvax.dartmouth.edu, Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>Bass has been one of my favorite beverages for quite sometime now...I
>also enjoy Newcastle's Brown Ale and recently introduced myself to the
>pleasure of drinking Double Diamond...(I was interested to note that
>DD, like Bass, is brewed in Burton-on-Trent).  Can any of you in
>net/beer land recommend any other like ales?


AHHHHHHH !

Draught Cask Conditioned Bass is drinkable and can in fact be very pleasant when 
kept well, although this is rare ! Generally Bass is worth overlooking !

As for Double Diamond, well in the 1970's a group call CAMRA was formed in this
country - The Campaign for Real Ale, and one of the beers that they (and I) took
great dislike to was DD, it tastes of very litte, is very week has C02 pumped
into it and is generally quite revolting. The method for making this unspeakable
brew is, well, unspeakable. It's lack of taste does have distinct similarities to
Budweiser (American, not Budvar) !!

If you want good English beers in America, try various Samual Smiths, their Taddy
Porter is great and the Imperial Stout is also good. Some people enthuse about
Hardys, however I find it far too sweet. Old Peculiar is good in bottles and
Newcastle Brown is a good bottled Brown Ale, although I have to admit not to
being a Brown Ale fan - nice on occasions though it is. 

Sadly (for you!), if you wish good English beer, then come to England and try some
of our great cask ales. Unfortunately many beers travel poorly, so a pint of
Marsdens Pedigree in Stoke can be very different to one in London, but if it's well
kept then you can get fairly consistent quality.

Any reccomendations for good American beer available in England - I live in
London so there must be somthing somewhere - go on, persuade me that there is
such a thing as good American Beer ;-)

Cheers,
	Colin

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: PLEASE MOVE THIS THREAD (Re: Colorado Civil Rights PLEASE READ!)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:47:32 GMT

Any chance this thread could be moved somewhere else for discussion, or
even discussed via email?  Then we could all get back to drinking our
homebrews or discussing other relevant beer topics, like what kind of
Swedish Bikini Ski Ads we might see during the NFL Playoffs and Super
Bowl, or will Budweiser have another crazy Bud Bowl?  =)

allen
From: jball@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe E Ball)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Do these brews still exist...?
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:27:41 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Nov17.130017.23084@cis.ohio-state.edu> dmyers@maple.cis.ohio-state.edu (david e myers) writes:

>     Five dollars a six? I wouldn't call that cheap. Here in central Ohio
>   we can get it for around five dollars a twelve. (Maybe it was the 
>   difference between Canadian and US dollars.)  Most of the beers listed
>   in the original article are still available here. (Haven't seen Hamm's 
>   for a while, tho.)

>						Dave Myers

>   P.S. Sorry 'bout the flag. :)

Frankly, Dave, I could care less about the flag.  In Canada, on the whole,
alcohol, as well as tobacco, are heavily taxed.  Sin taxes, as they are
called, are imposed to cover some of the wages of sin, to borrow from ol'
st.Paul.  Today in B.C. a cheap twelve is about 11.50, and in Manitoba all
beer is priced equally across the board at around 13.00/12.  Smokes are
over 6.00 for 25 (quit in feb., see sin tax really works) and gas is over
2.00/gal.  Mind you, everybody gets medical coverage, and at least in some
provinces, it comes without any surcharge.  Such is socialized life.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: scf11@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.C. Farrar)
Subject: Re: Head calming?
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:27:02 GMT

>>I have only recently been introduced to the delights of Real Ale, and I
>have found that when I drink it, the beer very soon becomes completely flat.
>I have even had a drink at the same time as a friend, and his beer still had
>some head left around the side of the glass. Mine was completely flat.

>The lack of a "head" does not mean that a beer is flat.  A beer has enough
>carbonation if you can feel the "bite" of the CO2 in your mouth.  The
>carbonation does not have to be visible.  I have learned this through
>experience with my homebrews.
>
>If indeed, the beer had gone flat then it was not a quality product.


A REAL ALE is meant to be FLAT !

When real ale is served, any 'life' in the beer is due to it being forced
through nozzles in the pump. Any beer that has CO2 in it is NOT a 
REAL ALE, but a keg beer, which has been pasteurised and had CO2 dissolved in it,
then being put into a pressurised keg. This unfortunately prevents secondary
fermentation from taking place, rendering the beer bland and tasteless.

Real Ale is not pressurised, indeed some smaller breweries in Britain (eg
Theakstons) still use wooden casks to keep it in. When pourd directly from
the cask, it is flat.

Any gas in a beer completely ruins the taste. Although this means that Real
Ales do not keep long, and go off quicker, a skilled landlord should be able
to keep the beer in good condition.

If you are served 'Real Ale' that is not flat, you are being conned !!!
The only 'life' in it is a little air introduced if served by handpump.
Any CO2 produced by secondary fermentation is got rid of, when the cask
is opened prior to serving.The cask has an opening for serving at the end,
and an airhole at the top, so it is served at atmospheric pressure.

Don't be fooled by imitations !!!!!!!!

When in the UK, don't drink the "national beers", distributed by a few 
large brewers, but make pains to find local brews, and try them. Try Mild 
Ale, which is different in appearence to bitter, looking like stout, but 
with a distinctly mild flavour.

In the midlands try Marstons beers ( Pedigree - one of the best in the country,
and Owd Roger - treat with respect !!!!!). Don't try them outside the midlands,
as Real Ales never travel well.
In Leicester try Hoskins beers at the Beaumanor Road brewery.

In Yorkshire try Theakstons and Samuel Smiths.

In Oxford try Morrells.

In London try Fullers.

In Cambridge/East Anglia, try Greene King, Adnams.

Look for beer served from handpumps. 
If you are serious at finding good beer, you can purchase from any good
bookshop, the CAMRA (Campaign for more Real Ale) pub guide, which will
recommend pubs and beers all over the place.

Be warned, as these beers are much stronger than those found in the States!

Best wishes,
             Simon Farrar.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: How about something new?
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:49:42 GMT

> >Well, being something of a new reader myself, I am interested in how
> >much beer a beer lover drinks.  Perhaps this is an old topic.  I
> >heard that the Puritans of New England, United States, some 300 years
> >ago drank about 4-5 quarts of ale per day.  Are any modern quaffers
> >living up to this tradition?
> 

Yep, I'm in there.  Hasn't hurt me a bit, except for the one side effect 
of not being able to see my feet.

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From: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Colorado Civil Rights PLEASE READ!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:39:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130b3.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <Bxtn1H.Lwr@nic.umass.edu> danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL  
F COHEN) writes:
> In article <1992Nov12.102021.3902@wkuvx1.bitnet>  
trouttm@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> >
> > No flames... just flamers!!!!
> >
> >
> >-Mike
> 
> Great.  Just what we need around here.  Homophobic twits from the  
great state
> of Kentucky.
> 
> Ain't it sad what happens when cousins marry cousins?
> 
> --D
Yes, their offspring have atrocious English.

Bart
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: osminer@spot.Colorado.EDU (OSMINER MATTHEW COREY)
Subject: Coors!!!???
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:50:30 GMT

Some people have no taste.  Don't believe a word of what Coors advertises.
Besides the fact that they make a weak beer with absolutely no flavor
they hardly use "PURE ROCKY MOUNTAIN SPRING WATER!"  I live 20 miles
from Coors in Boulder and they use Idaho Springs' sewage water that
runs downstream to them in Golden.  I mean really folks! Try a homebrew
or at least go out and buy soe Pete's Wicked Ale!

another profound opinion!


Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: maertens@mcnc.org (Jim Maertens)
Subject: Re: Has Old Heidelburg closed?
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Distribution: nc
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:59:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.150840.15013@ncsu.edu> emeeks@ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks) writes:
>
>	Sam Rawls has leased the former Old Heidelburg Restaurant in
>Durham and reopened in as The French Quarter. The lease was handled by
>Jack Kimball and Kimball & Co. Restaurant Services Co. in Raleigh.
>
>What gives? Has the Triangle lost half of its brewpubs?
>

Yes indeed the Old Heidelburg Village has changed to The French Quarter.
But don't worry, they still brew the same three beers: light, amber,
and dark.  The biggest change is the food.  It changed from German to
Cajun.  And I must say it has improved.  The brewery survived the change
from the Weeping Radish to the Old Heidelburg Village so I guess it
will survive this change as well.

Jim Maertens

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:57:12 GMT

In article <1ebqblINNjbi@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe
l Plutchak) writes:

>   Does Koch actually call his lager a pilsner?  I wouldn't put
>it past him, but it doesn't seem one to me.
>--
>Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst

I don't believe he does.  This mistake originated with me.  I meant to
say "Samuel Adams Boston Lager" and instead wrote "S.A. Boston Pilsner."
At any rate, the education on the differences between the two has
been valuable.

Jim
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen, 997-3607, VAHZ)
Subject: Re: Bitter Beer
Reply-To: jimv@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:11:34 GMT

In article 14220@news2.cis.umn.edu, djohnso@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Oct27.144820.3707@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,
>997-3607, VAHZ) writes:
>>I've had it warm, I've had it cold,
>>I've tried it new, and tried it old,
>>From a bottle, and from the tap,
>>This 10w40 still tastes like crap,
>>Oh please, please, don't flame on me,
>>I just don't like it, can't you see?
>>I do not like it in a can,
>>I do not like it, Jim I am...
>>I would not drink it in a box,
>>I would not drink it with a fox,....   you get the idea...

>Well, you've, no doubt, tried Black and Tan.  How about this one - try adding a
>small amount of coffee to a pint of Guinness (I leave it up to you as to how
>much coffee to add - I would say somewhere in the poximity of 2-3 tablespoons).
> It sounds rather an odd combination but it tastes pretty good (at least I
>thought so when I inadvertantly discovered it).   With luck it may change you
>mind about this 10w40.

I don't think you understand my dilemna....  I HATE coffee.  Gnarly. Gross.
Yuck.  Icchhy-poo.  Blah.  .....

This is why I don't care for the GUINNESS so much.  Kinda like why I don't 
like Kahlua either.  I believe that adding more coffee into the beer/stout
would probably make it taste even more like coffee than it already does... 8)

Guess I'll have to fly to Dublin and have 1 last try...

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From: richardf@teal.csn.org (Richard Forbin)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Pete's Gold Coast Lager
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:09:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

Has anyone tried the Pete's Gold Coast Lager yet?  Good stuff!
Wicked Ale I prefer, but the GCL is worth trying if you havn't yet...
Newsgroups: alt.beer