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From: msy@siemens.com. (Marcus S. Yoo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fist full of data's force field question
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:36:01 GMT

**SPOILERS** ahead for fist full of data


det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>In article <Bxpwq0.E7z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlamb@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Richard Lamb) writes:
>>Ok if the only problem with Worf's force lasting forever was the energy
>>then why can't the ship's security team rig up a bunch of personal
>>fields. Have them automatated to only turn on when fired upon.

>I couldn't believe he could build a personal field generator that way
>either (combadge as power source?  REPLICATED telegraph parts?).  So
>how could this in fact be?  Well, Worf is in a holodeck, dealing with
>holodeck guns and holodeck bullets.  The holodeck space is filled with
>various types of generated fields.  I suggest that Worf's device tapped
>into existing holodeck fields and had them disperse the holodeck bullets.
>A major part of this may have been "convincing" the holodeck computer
>to let an out-of-context improvisation stand.

Another possibility is that the implementation of force field, or
any other types of shielding such as  cloaking device, really depends
on the shape and strength of the shield. Perhaps the force field needed
to stop a bullet is almost trivially easy, as opposed to the field needed
to stop a phaser or photon shot. I got this idea from what Data told
Wesley in When the Bow Breaks (is that correct?). When Wesley said
some thing about "how could they hide an entire planet?", Data said
something to the effect that it is very simple in theory - just bend
all wave around the planet. It's some what simple to implement for a
starship, but very difficult to do for a planet. That means, even if
a technology to implement something does exist, it also depend on
the size/strength of the shielding that is to be created.

Hey David, how's that for a rationalization...
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From: davely@microware.com (Dave Lyons)
Subject: Re: Marina Sirtis: Adventures of Sherlock Holmes
Keywords: What episode?
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:58:12 GMT

In article <bbrett.721806275@morgan>, bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett) writes:
|> 
|> I just read in her credits that Marina Sirtis was in The Adventures of
|> Sherlock Holmes.  I assume this is the Granada one with Jeremy Brett.
|> Does anyone know what story it was??  I collect those shows and probably
|> have it, but I don't have the episode guide so I can't look it up
|> without going through hours upon hours of Holmes (isn't really a bad
|> thing to be doing, but I have other things to do!!!)  Anyone with info,
|> please write....
|> 
|> -Betsy Brett-
|> bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
|> 

It was in the Jeremy Brett series.  I remember reading that it was the Six (?)
Napoleons.  As I recall, she was the Italian lady that one of the villains had 
married.  On a trek related note, I was watching the Speckled Band episode the 
other night and I could have sworn that the older daughter (I'm terrible with 
names) was played by the same woman who played the leader of the Irish colonists
that the Enterprise rescues (of course I can't remember the name of the episode,) 
and that her step father in the Speckled Band also played her father in the trek
episode.  I wonder if this is anything like the TNG-LA Law cross overs.  But I
think the Moriarty in the Holmes series was different from the Moriarty in 
Elementary, My Dear Data.

Well, carry on I guess, davel

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From: seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner)
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Organization: Kernforschungszentrum Karlsruhe (Germany)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:28:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.114245.2638@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
|> re: Recent episode of Star Trek where Dr. Beverly Crusher says that beards are
|> an "affectation" comparable to the wearing of makeup by women.
|> 
|> [...]
|> I think the one similarity between beards and makeup is that each of these
|> things is more popular with the sex that wears it than with the opposite sex,
|> but I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot more men who don't like makeup
|> than there are women who don't like beards... ;)
|> 
That's an interesting point. Psychologically, men who have beards want to
hide something, they don't want to "show their face". The same can appeal 
to woman, depending on how much make-up they use. Just a little bit may
accentuate their personality, if it's too much, oh well, they might
not want to show their real face.

What I'd like to know: why is it that so many women like beards (or, better)
men with beards? Maybe I should let one grow ... :-)
|> - xenon
|>  

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From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Nannites Vs Borg
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:35:21 GMT

In article <Bxu3uy.7IL@news.ucs.mun.ca> glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
>ohdav@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (David OH) writes:
>
>>I saw the episode 'Evolution' yesterday (we are way behind on TNG seasons)
>>and thought that the nannites (right spelling??) could be an effective
>>weapon against the Borg. Imagine if these mechanical viruses got onboard 
>>the Borg ship! Hmm....any comments?
>
>	I believe this was mentioned as a way a possible way of fighting
>the Borg in one of the "Best of Both Worlds" episodes.  However, it was
>ruled out as a possibility because it would take too long to make 'em or
>something.  So we may indeed see this weapon used against our favorite
>collective consciousness in a future show (continuity in TNG?! ...
>wierder things have happened!) 
>-- 
>Gord Locke 

It was mentioned in the BOBW episodes but I think that it also had to do with
the issue of breeding a race to fight, or something to that effect. The thing
I most remember is that troublesome, pushy, Commander that kept getting on
everyones nerves. I know she got on mine, but I guess you gotta do what you
gotta do, even in the future.


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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Followup-To: soc.men,soc.women
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:07:28 GMT
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In article <1992Nov22.114245.2638@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>why do *some* men allow their beards to grow?  Perhaps because they 
>perceive a beard to be *attractive* to women (or they think it improves 
>their looks, which amounts to the same thing) and thus having a beard
>becomes very similar to women wearing makeup.  i.e. for the purpose of
>attraction.


In article <By5zs1.H4s@iai.kfk.de> seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner) writes:
>That's an interesting point. Psychologically, men who have beards want to
>hide something, they don't want to "show their face". The same can appeal 
>to woman, depending on how much make-up they use. Just a little bit may
>accentuate their personality, if it's too much, oh well, they might
>not want to show their real face.


Maybe "*some* men allow their beards to grow" because they don't want to
go through the extra trouble of shaving it every day (a little trim once
a month-or-two has always sufficed for me), and is *much* less trouble.

Maybe "*some* men allow their beards to grow" because shaving irritates
the hell out of the skin on their face (regardless of any aftershave
lotion or application used), and a reasonably clean-kept beard doesn't.


Then again, maybe this thread *really* does not belong on a Star Trek
newsgroup...

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====> Thomas Kiefer <===> thogek@cco.caltech.edu <====
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======> ("Then don't grow one, Mom!  Geez...") <======
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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:48:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.034835.18550
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <1992Nov16.211359.2322@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.135052@cozy.Prime.COM> dwolff@cozy.Prime.COM (David Wolff) writes:
>
>>BTW, I thought Troi looked pretty good in leather pants and a blouse...
>>her "Ancient West" accent was awful, but then it's just a holodeck game,
>>so who cares.
>
>Actually, I really liked it--I thought she managed to successfully sound
>like Counselor Troi putting on a western accent.  I would have found a
>perfect accent, or a Sirtis-like western accent unrealistic, but the
>_Troi_-influenced accent was perfect.

  Considering her real accent is a lovely thick British one, I think she did
  a tremendous job.  (Brit => Betazoid => Ancient West)

  IMHO, of course.
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From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Humor ... Suck on a tribble! ha ha ha
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:42:43 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

1) How old are you?
  
2) What is your native language?

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG on Joan Rivers
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:45:10 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <abick.721959289@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>Someone posted a message saying that the cast (except for Levar Burton)
>would be on the Joan Rivers Show today. I set my VCR to record it and...I
>had a power failure around noon today so it wiped out the timer and
>nothing got taped. I'm not asking for someone to give me a transcript or
>anything but could someone who actually saw it post a message (or email
>me) saying what "interesting" things were said.
>I'll leave it to you to decide what "interesting" is.
>
Interesting.. you mean like Marina Sirtis' dress (or lack thereof?).  She
said she had to buy it that afternoon because a woman down the street from
her had buried dynamite in her backyard and the bomb squad evacuated the
neighborhood at like 8am...  The entire cast seemed to appreciate her
outfit a lot.. and the joking led me to believe that she wears these
kinds of things often and they harrass her for it...

Also, I didn't know Gates McFadden had a kid.. anybody have any idea what
season it was she was pregnant? Costuming did a great job hiding it..



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From: june@Cadence.COM (June Petersen)
Subject: Re: change of spot.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:04:48 GMT

In article <disaacs.721947920@cunews> disaacs@pietrzak.carleton.ca (Dave Isaacs) writes:
>Has Spot been changing since I first saw him.  I think the first time he
>(or she) was seen was in the episode where the ship is being hit by those
>pockets of dimensional non-existence (or something like that).  In that
>episode I thought he had long fluffy haired grey-brown fur.  In A Fist Full 
>of Datas he had short light orange fur...
>
>...or am I just imagining things
>
No, Spot did change drastically.  In hir first appearence, sie was
a gorgeous Ruddy Somali.  This time out, sie was a fairly non-descript
shorthair, white/orange pattern.  As a Somali breeder, I was less
than impressed with the new casting (cat-sting??).  My four
Somalis took one look and went back to bathing each other  :^)

TTFN,
June


 

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From: aabbasi@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Amal A. Abbasi)
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:05:49 GMT

>I believe Troi never really smokes (I don't think it's possible on the
>ship, anyway), she just gnaw's on the stogie (sp?) like it's a Slim Jim

Troi does actually smoke.  Didn't she blow smoke in Worf's face?  It
looked real enough to me.
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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Spoiler *Fistful of Datas*
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:53:15 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati




******************************************************

	SPOILER for Fistful of Datas

*****************************************************













I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed watching ST this last time.  I really
thought it was very creative of the writers to have a computer memory cross
between the Enterprise recreational section and Data's own memory/? areas.  I
believe Spiner probably had fun doing the show, too.

I thought the Enterprise sailing into the sunset was dynamite.  I also enjoyed
the way Worf, in trying to be papa and role model, played along with Alexander.

I guess the only part that struck me as odd, was when Worf walked out with his
prisoner.  It didn't seem realistic for the bad guy's son to just walk out
right beside Worf.  I would have expected Worf to have at least either have a
gun on him, or have him hand-cuffed.  Probably no big thing, anyway.

I enjoyed the comments Data would sputter out 'Vamoose, ya little varmit!', and
so on.  I think it was also hilarious that no one seemed to even know that Worf
and his kid were in any danger at all.  Of course, it was actually neat that
Worf had to save his own life...without the computer ending it 'just in time.' 

The most hilarious part was the computer rescuing Worf from the female Data, as
opposed to the typical life threatening scenario.

Great show!  I loved it-
-Pamela Cho-
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From: airn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Anthony Airne)
Subject: Quality of Life (spoilers)-data
Reply-To: airn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:06:45 GMT

>Data should be shot.  Who is in charge of the Enterprise, is there a chain
>of command or not?!  Riker's credibility as a commanding officer hs surely
>been lost.  What happens if every bridge officer in Starfleet starts 
>disobeying orders like that?  Well of course it's only a TV show, but this 
>constant Data Mutiny is wearing thin.

Hear, hear. Officers should not be excused from following orders just because
they personally are uncomfortable. If it's not a clear-cut case, that everyone
in their right minds would agree on, of someone giving an immoral order, they
should obey first and ask questions later. The fact that Data lucked out, and
wound up being proven right, doesn't diminish this offense. After all, what
would have been the cost if the exocomps had been sacrificed? The intelligence
exhibited by the Exocomps was on a purely animalistic level. If some joker
introduced a subroutine into the Enterprise computer system that caused it
to disregard orders that placed the ship itself in jeopardy, would the 
crew be obliged to stop "using" it as a "tool"? It certainly has all the other
"life" qualifications that the exocomps possess, in spades.

And while we're at it, how about court-martials for Riker and Worf for their
shameful performance in Rascals?



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From: cs_d637@ceres (Paul Neve)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's accent
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:42:42 GMT
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csi056@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WEG) writes:
: In article <1992Nov16.143307.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au> s334147@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:
: >Patrick Stewart is English.
: >Jean-Luc Picard is French speaking English.
: >He was obviously taught by an English person, therefore he speaks English (as
: >in the English that is spoken in England) with a French accent.
: 
: I would dispute this. I say he speaks American English. If he did speak
: English then he wouldn't mispronounce the rank lieutenant as _loo_tenant.

Maybe, but I reckon he only pronounces it that way because that's how it's
supposed to be pronounced in Federation Standard.

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From: techy@iastate.edu (Technobabblonian)
Subject: Ornament 1993
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:12:33 GMT

(Apologies to Wil Wheaton)

Coming in 1993 from Hallmark... the 1993 Star Trek Holiday Ornament.. the
Starship ENTERPRISE, NCC-1701'D.  Finely detailed and hand painted, this 
ornament will ight up your life, and your Christmas tree, with holiday joy.
The engines and starboard deflector illuminate the ship in striking detail.
By pressing the button underneath you can hear the crew's special holiday
message:

SHUT UP WESLEY!!!


Heheh... just kidding about that.  And no, Im not a Wesley Basher, I
just thought it up one day and figured some people may be amused. ;D

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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: TNG has gone down the toilet!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:02:17 GMT
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In article <1992Nov19.214824.10026@sbcs.sunysb.edu> gkatz@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz) writes:
>Here are more ST:TNG cliches I can do without:
>
>Q being a pest.
>Lwaxana Troi in a horny mood.
>Riker in a horny mood.
>Data trying to act human.

Are these "cliches"?  They seem like normal in-character behaviors, to me.
(Yes, they are small examples of ... CONTINUITY!!!  :-)


>Wesley appearing just in time to save the day, again.

Okay; this did get real old real fast.


>Alexander, period.

I don't know.  Is this kid that bad, or is it just the fact that he's a
*kid* on ST that has everybody after his hide?  (Somebody should have
told him what Wesley did to ST:TNG viewers' perceptions of children :)

I've recently seen "Ethics" (repeat from last season), "Rascals", and
"Fistful of Datas", all of which included parts for Alexander, and he
seemed like a fairly believable kid to me.  (Maybe not a typical
Klingon child, but then, he hasn't been raised as such.)
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From: wlm10@cd.amdahl.com (William L Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's accent
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:00:11 GMT
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Wasn't there an episode where Data says that French is an archaic 
language, causing Picard to protest indignantly?  Was it "Hide and Q?"

I've always believed that France and England, and possibly all of 
Europe, had merged politically and culturally centuries before Picard 
was born.  (Vive la E.C.!)  Hence, Picard has an affinity for things 
English, namely Shakespeare and tea (Is Earl Grey big in England?) as 
well as things French, namely wine and dear Maman 8-).

So Picard is French, but France has been thoroughly Anglicized.  That's 
why J.L. Picard, young Picard, Rene Picard, Robert Picard, and Robert's 
wife Picard all speak English and have English accents.

So now you ask, "What about the outrageous accents in the holodeck cafe 
recreation in 'We'll Always have Paris'?"  Simple, mon ami.  That wasn't 
France, that was Paris . . . 8-)

-Bill
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From: MacZog@zog.UUCP (Alan Sheltra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Klingon Home World???
Keywords: Klingon, Home, World
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:17:58
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In a previous message, "km2011@andy.bgsu.edu" writes:
> A serious question.
> 
> Where is the Klingon homeworld after ST:TUC?  I mean, in the novels, it's
> called all types of names (Klingon, Klinzhai, Kling, etc), which one is it?
>  And did the Klingons actually relocate to a differnt homeworld after
> ST:TUC?  This question has been bugging me for a long, long, LONG time. 
> Can someone please give me an answer?

The planet that "blew up" in ST:TUC was not the Klingon home world, but a
mining planet called Praxis (sp?)...  As far ar I know, their homeworld is
still the same as it's always been.

-Zog