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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:28:37 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct8.192911.29384@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>
>>- Dan Quayle spent the Vietnam War in a country club NG outfit
>>  somehow passing > 1000 applicants on a waiting list for said
>>  outfit.

>At least he did SOMETHING!

Yes. Clinton didn't believe in the war and went to Oxford instead. Dan
Quayle believed in the war, as long as he didn't have to fight in it,
and served in the NG. At least Clinton got a decent education...
 

>>- Approximately 50% of married people have admitted extra-marital
>>  affairs.  While this doesn't morally justify it, it should tell
>>  you that it doesn't only happen to moral deviants.  Are you (or 
>>  have you been) married?

>Ah, but there's 50% who haven't.... And I think this country 
>deserves better that "one of the lower 50%" for it's supreme
>officer.

I agree. Let's elect Gary Hart or Teddy Kennedy. The "lower 50%" who
haven't had extramarital affairs probably lack the imagination to solve
national problems.

>>- I think that if you judged people soley on the basis of who they
>>  were years ago (with respect to pot smoking) you'd exclude a lot
>>  of people from being productive members of society.  

>I think it sends a terrible message to our kids: "It's ok to smoke pot
>or do anything wrong while you're young. It'll never come back to
>harm you"

I agree. Dan Quayle should resign immediately. And take Clarence Thomas 
with him.

>>- You can't be serious about any of this crap.  It's just too silly.

>I think not.

Yes, you do not think. :-) 

>>- I think that Dan Quayle is lying about never smoking pot.  

>Prove it.

Make me. :-)

>>- But I doubt George Bush ever has.  Unless it was a sort of ritual
>>  in Noriega's condo.  I would understand though, since he was just
>>  trying not to look like a nerd in front of important CIA contacts.

>>- I think Barbara Bush is a very nice woman and it was nice of
>>  George to have her picture put on the one dollar bill.

>Now that's funny.

That Bush was in Noriega's condo? I think it's tragic.

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: andywang@crown.berkeley.edu (Andrew Wang)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Need recommendation for a good dentist
Date: 11 Oct 1992 04:51:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: crown.berkeley.edu

Posted for a friend:
Help!  I desperately need a good dentist.  I would be very grateful
if you could pass on the names of any good dentists in the Oakland/
Berkeley/any nearby areas.  I am looking for a dentist who

1.  Is knowledgeable, up-to-date about the latest techniques and
    is very willing to discuss the procedures and the alternatives
2.  Doesn't pressure me to have X-rays
3.  Charges reasonably
4.  Does excellent dental work.

Thanks for your time!
From: schratt@bambam.uucp (Nicola Schratte)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Brunch in SLO or Pismo`
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:22:43 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: ESL, Sunnyvale, CA



  Could anyone recommend any good restaurants or hotels in San Luis
Obispo or Pismo Beach that serve Sunday brunch?

P.S. I know this is a bay area group but I didn't know what other group
to post to.  Sorry if it is not appropriate.

Thanks,

Nicola
-- 
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Nicola_Schratter@SMTP.esl.com                  
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:18:44 GMT

In article 24576@leland.Stanford.EDU, eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>
>Oh come on.  I know our Gov't is slow to respond, but I find it hard to 
>beleive that they FORCED the JAPANESE to raise prices less than 1 week after 
>the LAST US fab stopped production.  
>
>How, might I ask, did the US gov't FORCE the japanese to raise prices?
>And HOW did they go to 4X what they were before?
>
>

These are remarkable factoids.  They have the look and feel of real facts
without the actual trouble of being verifyable.

Could you give dates when the last US fab closed?  And when the Japaneses (all of
them?) raised prices?  And the prices before the US fab closed and the price when
it increased to 4X and the date when this price was common?

(In answer to your question on how the US govt forced the DRAM prices to go up,
the answer is two-fold: they placed an import duty on the chips and negotiated
reduction in the number inported.)

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: henry@ads.com (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Reply-To: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:47:25 GMT

eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
|> >
|> >|> cite a reference that i can check.  an ISBN or a title/author
|> >|> combination will do fine.
|> >
|> 
|> Ever hear of a Card-Catalog?  Or don't they teach that in grammer 
|> school anymore?  Maybe you were absent that day     :^)

apparently you *were* absent that day: in grammar school i learned that
articles are not listed in the card catalog ... only complete works are
listed there.  without the name of the magazine, the title and/or author of
the article (to be used with various magazine summary tools), going to the
library won't turn up much.

you made a statement ... you should be prepared to show it is true.

-- 
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.063007.23176@odin.corp.sgi.com> pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
>|> >
>|> >- Approximately 50% of married people have admitted extra-marital
>|> >  affairs.  While this doesn't morally justify it, it should tell
>|> 
>|> 	The difference is the TWELVE YEARS the creep (Clinton) carried
>|> 	on the affair.  Now maybe his wife knew and chose to stay
>|> 	anyway for whatever purpose, but he still led a double
>|> 	life all those years representing himself as Mr. Wonderful,
>|> 	the Governor.
>
>I think its a shame that people like you will believe every story that
>the National Enquirer breaks.
>


Actually, Clinton admitted to this.  I agree, I don't beleive the 
press, but when he admitts to it........ like it's ok.......
From: bdellinger@igc.apc.org (Brett Dellinger)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Still looking for old catalogs!
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:06:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1324000002:000:305
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bdellinger    Oct 14 02:06:00 1992


I need to find a source for old Sears Roebuck & Co. or J.C. Penney
catalogs from the 1960s and 1970s.  I have no idea where to look.
All the libraries I have check do not have them.  Is it possible to
buy them?  

Any help would be most appreciated.  Send replys via e-mail to:
bdellinger@igc.org.

Brett
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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:30:58 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Oct8.205310.8206@telebit.com>, brunner@telebit.com (Eric 
Brunner) writes:
> n article <1992Oct8.185834.23015@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
eap@leland.Stanford.EDU 
> (Eric Perozziello) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct7.003015.26189@telebit.com> brunner@telebit.com (Eric 
> Brunner) writes:
> 
> [in response to the NA thread, previous-poster excerpts omitted.]
> 
> >The problem I see here is we're argueing from a legal standpoint.
> >The law isn't always right! (That's why we have legislators, to change
> >the bad ones!)
> 
> Arguing? No Way San Jose! The N.A. liability issue was settled in the US
> with the turntable case.

1) That's a state law issue, not a US issue.  No court can decide this 
question for the entire US: state courts can only decide for their state, and 
federal courts do not have jurisdiction in this type of case.  That being 
said, I don't doubt that certain states have so ruled.

2) The case no doubt either a) turned on a state statute, or b) ruled where 
no statute existed at the time.  In either event, the legislature may 
override and either a) change the statute or b) enact a statute covering the 
prior vaccuum.  A court decision does not forclose the legislature from 
acting.

Just out of curiousity, what's the cite to this turntable case?


Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.legal
From: ellon@ADS.COM (Ellon St. Croix)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Wild Bill & BabyCat's House of Many Pleasures
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:31:28 GMT


 eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) the net know it all sez:
Someone else said first...
>>
>>Children are not responsible. This seems to be a difficult concept for
>>many of the participants in this discussion. Maybe you could recall
>>your childhood to help you get a grip on this concept.
>>
>
>When I was a child, My parents forbid me to leave the property.
>Once I was a little older (prob 13 yrs) I could wander the neighbor-
>hood, but only areas THEY were familiar with. If I went outside 
>of this, I was punished by NOT being alowed to leave the house. 
>Seemed pretty simple to me- I learned to be responsible this 
>way too.
>

Good God people.  Why can't you all play in the sandbox together?

Parents are responsible for their off-spring BOTH legally and
financially until said off-spring reaches the age of majority.
In this state that age is 18.  There are some things that parents
are not responsible for, (eg. your 16 year old child commits murder)
You are not (normally) responsible civilally, however the victim's 
family could sue you, the parent for damages.


The point Eric "tries" to make is valid, parents SHOULD know where
their child is playing.  But, when a parent scouts out a neighborhood,
how many of them look at the area thru a childs eyes???  Parents may 
see a safe place for the child to play, IN THEIR OPINION...but as MOST
of us know, a child can get into PLENTY of trouble with as little as a
rock and two sticks.

--
Nothin' feels as good, as good as us together.  Nothin' in the world,
no, there ain't nothin' better than this... NEW LOVE! Always feels 
like a new love. Every touch is feelin' so much like the very first
touch. It's like a new love, a new love........  WCS & ESS 4/18/92 
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: jgp@raid.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann)
Subject: Re: Where to buy movie posters?
Organization: Rational
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:21:56 GMT

koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm) writes:

>Where can I find lots of movie posters in the Bay Area (preferably near
>Mountain View)?  Poster shops seem to carry only a few at a time, and even
>those are only the big-name movies.  I want to plaster my office walls
>with posters from box-office disasters.  Help!

Movie Memories Poster Shop
502 Waverly (right off University)
downtown Palo Alto
(415) 328-6265

(see Yellow Pages under "Posters")

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"That's not a bad neighborhood."            | RATIONAL
"There were some pretty strange neighbors." | Santa Clara, California
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.194107.1356@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.221804.27985@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>
>>Yeah, like I heard that Japanese ONLY fly Japan airlines because 
>>(they boast) some wonderful safety record. Fact is, the US airlines
>>are (as a whole) much safer on all counts than Japan's airlines. Yet
>>the Japanese citizens are hell-bent on using ONLY their airlines.
>>It's called "brainwashing".  Now they move the "brainwashing" 
>>to rthe US.
>
>If you have flown on any Asian airlines, Cathay, SIA, JAL, you
>probably would not want to fly on any American airlines anymore
>unless they are significantly cheaper.  The services are just
>completely different.
>

But nevermind safety, right?

Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.110008.25655@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In other words, I'll find your attitude toward third parties more
>acceptable when you're just as strict with the parents themselves.

It is clear that there are some third parties who would not be as
motivated towards hazard reduction as most parents.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.

Newsgroups: ba.general
From: geoff@netcom.com (Geoffrey Leach)
Subject: Truck service, mid-penninsula?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:57:22 GMT

I need to get an American-make used truck checked out.
Anyone have experience with a shop in the min-penninsula?

Geoffrey Leach		geoff@netcom.com
-- 
Geoffrey Leach		geoff@netcom.com
From: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Fry's -- Yet Another Bad Experience
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:33:17 GMT
Reply-To: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Distribution: ba
Organization: KUFX 94.5 FM Stereo, San Jose, CA 'The Fox'

In article <Bvo9oB.7qr@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>
>Another irritating incident:  One time I grabbed a $19.95 calculator
>off of the rack and headed for the checkout line.  On my way there 
>a salesman intercepts me and says "Here, let me ring that up for 
>you".  Thinking I'm going to be able to bypass the checkout line, I
>cluelessly follow the salesman to a terminal.  I wait several minutes
>while he electronically writes up the calculator so he can boost his
>sales total, then he hands it back to me and directs me to the end of the
>checkout line.  Instead I dumped it in the magazine rack and bought one
>elsewhere.  
>

Earlier in the summer I got intercepted the same way with a Panasonic
boom box.  The salesman wrote it up for his sales total benefit and
then pointed out that I was entitled to an Olympic t-shirt (I swapped
the Panasonic one for an ATT version), a pin, and a Guiness book of
Olympic records.  The whole thing was fun, and I wear the colorful
t-shirt from time to time. I'm glad the salesman stopped me as I would
have walked out without the goodies and the fun of trying to swap my
Panasonic t-shirt for another customer's ATT garment...  

The sales people tend to say "write that up for you", not "ring that up
for you".
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From: benkei@cs.utexas.edu (William Kent Richards)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Large crystals for sale
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:30:13 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu


Posting for a friend. Her address is Beverly_Quinn@mindlink.bc.ca
 
These are official apprasials.
 
Eros is a 40 lb. medium dark citrine point with mica inclusions.  It
has an unpolished natural termination and originally comes from
Brazil.  Crystals of this size, perfection and clarity are extremely
rare.  The citrine color is also very unusual.  Retail price $8000.00
 
McEarl Point is a 5 lb. Arkansas crystal with bright internal
reflections.  It has rare blue needle inclusions and a self healed
face on the reverse.  Its point is unpolished and perfectly
terminated.  The McEarl mine is closed and hasn't produced for over 4
years.  This was the finest source of quartz in the world.
Retail price $7,500.00
-- 

Kent Richards                         "Practice acts of random kindness
benkei@cs.utexas.edu                   and senseless beauty"
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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <3eOn02ls25Ex01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>What are you doing letting your ten-year-old kid run around an abandoned 
>railroad turntable unattended?  A kid shouldn't be permitted to run around 
>unattended until he can realize the dangers.

As I'm sure many parents will be happy to let you know, many kids are
allowed to go out and visit their friends at the age of 5. I know this
to be the case in my niece's neighborhood.

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.231547.20734@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.213603.3891@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>
>>BALTIMORE (AP) - U.S. workers are more productive than their German or
>>Japanese counterparts, largely because of America's highly competitive
>>and open trade environment, the authors of a new study said yesterday.
>...
>
>>Free Trade may be the motivation. "There's more competition for U.S.
>>companies," said Martin Baily, an Economics professor at the University
>>of Maryland and coauthor of the study. "Managers are forced to raise 
>>productivity in order to survive and be profitable."
>
>Note that "Free Trade" is hostile to the concept of "buy American" (or
>any other country, for that matter) propaganda campaigns.
>

I think the point being made is that the Japanese aren't practicing 
Free Trade.  The claim is that they are producing "less efficient"
workers since they are selling in a protected market.


Newsgroups: ba.general
From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:04:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.191954.12327@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.231547.20734@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.213603.3891@cascade.Stanford.EDU> eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>>>
>>>BALTIMORE (AP) - U.S. workers are more productive than their German or
>>>Japanese counterparts, largely because of America's highly competitive
>>>and open trade environment, the authors of a new study said yesterday.
>>...
>>
>>>Free Trade may be the motivation. "There's more competition for U.S.
>>>companies," said Martin Baily, an Economics professor at the University
>>>of Maryland and coauthor of the study. "Managers are forced to raise 
>>>productivity in order to survive and be profitable."
>>
>>Note that "Free Trade" is hostile to the concept of "buy American" (or
>>any other country, for that matter) propaganda campaigns.
>>
>
>I think the point being made is that the Japanese aren't practicing 
>Free Trade.  The claim is that they are producing "less efficient"
>workers since they are selling in a protected market.

Perhaps.  But does that mean "protected from foriegn trade" or just
protected, period?  I.e., from each other, meaning that foriegn companies
do not face as much competion, foriegn OR DOMESTIC as American companies
do.

And why do you immediately assume they're talking about JAPANESE companies?
Little obsessed with that particular coutry, are we?  The article compared
U.S. productivity to that of a number of different countries, and if I'm
not mistaken, the Japanese came in a strong second.

In any case, you certainly DECREASE competition when you implore people to
buy American products simply because they're American.

Thanks, Eric - there goes one of our advantages...

Fred
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:39:37 GMT

king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) wrote: 
->(Eric Perozziello) writes:
->>Ignoring the rude attitude of your request, In fact, I do have the data.
->>The data was compiled by a private firm, and they 
->>logged such things as "passenger fatalities per flight", and "passenger
->>fatalities per passenger carried".  the Japanese airlines were
->>almost four times higher (worse) in each catagory.
->>
->>>Henry Mensch:
->>>how do you know this?  substantiate your statements.
->>>
->
->	I saw the same article.  US companies were way ahead
->	of the Japanese in safety.  

this is not proof of anything ... until you can provide the reference
(so we can see the numbers, as well as the methods used to arrive at
those numbers) with title, author, source of the raw data, etc. your
claim is meaningless

--
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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
From: markr@mot.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Reply-To: markr@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: MCIL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.185649.12709@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.183129.15336@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> markr@mcil.comm.mot.com writes:
>>I believe we were talking about cases in which suit was brought after
>>the child climbed over the fence and drowned.
>
>I wasn't, but if you want to talk about such a case, I think the owner
>of the pool had taken reasonable measures and should not be held
>accountable.

It doesn't matter what you think, the courts have often ruled against
the homeowner in this situation.  As a matter of fact if your thoughts
on this issue were known, you probably wouldn't be picked for a jury
of such a case.

Mark
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From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:42:03 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Oct8.185834.23015@leland.Stanford.EDU> eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
>It's a damn shame we live in a convoluted "legal-sue" society, but
>the issue here is TEACH the kids or WATCH the kids.  Suppose you

How are you supposed to teach a ten-year old that an unfenced abandoned
railroad turntable, which probably looks a lot like equipment at
a playground, is dangerous and can hurt him badly, when you don't
even know there is one in your neighborhood?

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Happy owner of a new Mitsubishi Expo.
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