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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Major Top 25 Poll Injustice
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:31:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: dseg.9209301731.AA02087

In article <9209291804.AA14000@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com>,
ckoontz@RDXSUN40.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Carl H. Koontz) writes:

}>>tannerg@u.washington.edu (Glenn "The Outdoors Man" Tanner) writes:
}>
}>In spite of their 3 game winning streak...
}>In spite of their nationally ranked (#11) scoring defense...
}>In spite of their darkhorse Heisman candidate QB "Dandy" Dan Freiburger...
}>
}>Southern Methodist University is getting no respect from the pollsters.
}>I'm not crying for an actual ranking in the 20-25 range (those are reserved
}>for Eastern teams which pile up good records against poor competition), but
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As if SMU has played a steller schedule so far!

}>SMU should at least be one of the OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES.
}
}I was wondering the same thing.  SMU is playing some of the best football in
}the country right now.  After an impressive 3-1 start, you would think that
}some AP voter somewhere would have found the resolve to squeeze SMU into the
}number 25 slot on their voter's card.

What???!!!  I can't believe my ears!  I actually thought the first post
was some sort of joke, but there are actually people out there who think
SMU should be ranked?  Beat Baylor, Tech, A&M and Texas, and then we'll
talk.  You guys have lost to Tulane (a veritable powerhouse, I know) and
have managed victories against Division 1-AA North Texas, 0-2-1 TCU, and
New Mexico and you think you should be ranked?

}>>The facts :
}>1.  SMU is on a 3 game win streak.  Their only blemish was a one-point loss due
}>    to a missed 35 yard field goal on the final play of the game.
}
}
}A heart-breaking loss to a much improved Tulane team.

Oh brother!

}>2.  SMU's defense has allowed 13,14,13, and 9 points in their 4 games.
}
}The SMU defense must be one of the better defenses in the country the way they
}are playing right now.  Opponents simply can not get into the end zone on the
}Mustang defense.

You have a sick sense of humor.

-Mike Noonan
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From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
Subject: Rusty Medearis
Originator: sbanerj@c00754-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: Sanjeev Banerjia
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:22:41 GMT


With all of the hemming an' hawing goin' on about FSU vs Miami, I'm surprised
no one's yet mentioned Rusty Medearis.  I read in the morning paper that he
damaged cartilage (I think) in his knee, is out for the year, maybe
permanently.  This is a devatating impact to the 'Canes, losing one of their
top defensive players.

Surprised all of you rabid Floridians (and others) have yet to comment on how
this will affect the game...

Sanjeev
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Originator: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:46:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.133251.16327@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX) writes:
>Well, well, well....Virginia is now 5-0....hmmmmmm
>
>Up next Clemson....at Virginia....
>
>Even though Clemson is coming from a big win over a small team, I 
>think Clemson will LOOSE!!!!!    Virginia will be 6-0.

Before you get too excited, I'd be a little worried about the way
our defense performed on Saturday. We had plenty of problems against
Wake's running game and Clemson is much better. Plus, never underestimate
a Clemson team with their backs against the wall - they have *never*
been 0-3 in the ACC. You are seriously upsetting the woofing 
gods and thus harming our chances for a win. :-)

>
>Up next....North Carlolina....noooooo problem....Virginia will be 7-0.

Yes, there is a problem. North Carolina is not a team to be overlooked.
Coming off an emotional game, we could be ripe for an upset.

>Up next....William & Mary.....cake...Virginia will be 8-0.
>
>Then FLORIDA STATE! @ Virginia.  I think Virginia will have a good
>chance at an upset here....possibly leaving Virgina 9-0.

You're getting very carried away here. Virginia may give FSU a
tough game, but they won't win. Especially since FSU is not 
undefeated now. :-)




-- 
Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.
NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va. VV   VV  1992 Men's NIT Champions  
U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
(These are my opinions only)                 VVV     NCAA East Regional Champs.
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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: wuck fashington!!!
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:27:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.210804.15159@beaver.cs.washington.edu> fran@cs.washington.edu (Tak Ming Pang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.161617.25351@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> joconnor@evax10.eng.fsu.edu writes:
>>
>>If ya cant handle the heat, get outta the kitchen!!!
>>                      ^^^^   
>>                         (or florida humidity)
>>
>
>Yes, Miami should stay home and get some help from the hot weather.
>They probably need hurricane to blow the football away from their
>goal posts because next time their opponent is not going to be
>Arizona any more. If Miami is good team, they should go to play
>in Africa, see if they can stand the hunger over there.  
>

Woah, Cliff ... water in the weenie pump, or weenies in the water
pump, something is not going well in your program up there. I know
you posted a warning not long ago about a rash (see: r.f.b.c.) of
clueless posters from your area, but this is a little out of hand.

On a positive note, it's kind of tough to generate a serious flame
war when no one is sure what a post is supposed to mean. 

Ken B. 




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From: jay@puppsr12.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner)
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 10/5/92
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:30:13 GMT

In article <92279.144314C31801AG@wuvmd.wustl.edu> Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD> writes:
>
>Here are this week's ratings.
>
>Stanford moved all the way from 20th to 6th after
>pounding Notre Dame, who dropped from 11th to 20th, at home.

Sounds good so far!  Although, it is funny that in your polls, Stanford goes to
#6 after beating the #11 ranked team, whereas in the AP polls Stanford moved to #11
after beating their #6 ranked team!
 
>The Pac-10 now holds rankings #1, #6, #15, #16, #17, #22 and #30 - wow!

This seems to be the year of the Pac10--and I'm in New Jersey!  ARGH!  It's
a little difficult consoling myself with watching Ivy League football--I
haven't been able to stomach it yet.  At least a lot of Pac10 games are being
televised.
 
>  6. Stanford                     281.08   4  1  0  0.800   14   4   1  0.763
>  7. Texas A&M                    276.58   5  0  0  1.000    9  10   0  0.474

I noticed the NYT poll has Stanford ahead of Texas A&M as well. Given Texas A&M did
after all beat Stanford and is undefeated, why exactly should we be ranked higher?  I
assume this is based on their close call with Texas Tech and our much better margin of
victory over a ranked team, but it's still a little odd.  Is the idea then that Stanford
would beat Texas A&M if we were to play them now?

Jay Shrauner
shrauner@phoenix.princeton.edu

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From: ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl)
Subject: Re: UNI Stomps on ISU
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:45:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.035049.9107@ccad.uiowa.edu> tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
>	I would just like to congratulate the Northern Iowa Panthers on
>defeating Iowa State.  The Panthers are a Division I-AA (Currently ranked #4
>in the nation) school that had only beat Iowa State once, in 1900.  It was
>a fine show by UNI, and makes ISU a distant #3 in the state of Iowa.
>(1. Iowa, 2 UNI 3. ISU).  Good luck panthers!!!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>-- 
>___ ___ _   _    _       _             _
> |   |  | \/ |  (_  |_| |_| |\ | |\ | | | |\ | timothy-shannon@uiowa.edu 
> |  _|_ |    |   _) | | | | | \| | \| |_| | \| tshannon@CCAD.UIOWA.EDU
>

I read in the Des Moines Register (Sunday edition) and there were some 
UNI fans that claim that they should be ranked #1 in the state.
The reason being that they beat State by 17 while the hawkeyes beat State
by only 14. In addtion to that ,they feel that by beating Iowa State in Cyclone
stadium, they are a much better , oops, i'd better not say that, ...
anyway, i think that beating the cyclones should be  no big deal (except for
bragging rights in the state), right bielema? :)

The cyclones were so damn over confident that they were gonna run all over, 
the UNI panthers...yeah right.......the only game they did that was against 
Ohio U in the opening game.

One of the cyclone lineman(offensive) even said that they were confident 
on beating the Panthers after the game against Tulane during the post-game 
interview. 

I think the Cyclones deserve to lose this game..too bad the score was just
27-10 ..and not 30+-3.......don't get me wrong, i support IowaState, but i just
hate it when teams get too cocky, worse, when they're not even _that- good.

By the way...will the hawkeyes break into the .500 mark soon? oh i see, there's
wisconsin, purdue and northwestern coming up...ahhhh....

_hank_
ongh@iastate.edu

 
 
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: WHO reigns supreme?? (Was Re: ND Reigns Supreme
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:25:28 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <26SEP199200331992@tirith.carleton.edu> STEARNSS@CARLETON.EDU writes:
[Lots of stuff deleted]
>
>Scott Stearns
>Carleton College
>Northfield minnesota           Stearnss@Carleton.edu
>
>'BAMA fan in minnesota....sigh.
>
>sig got arrested for drunken driving, but should be back for the BIG GAME!

Which big game is that??  Seriously, could you be refering to the one on Oct.
17??

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu
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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date:  1 Oct 92 21:44:12 GMT

dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) writes:

>In article <Bv5Kv4.Mnt@hplabs.hpl.hp.com>, 
>	hintzman@hpljah.hpl.hp.com (Jeff Hintzman) writes:

>   I do not wish to go on and on about a game that occurred 10 years ago.
>   What really makes me mad is that both sides continue to propgate the
>   myth that the Band cost Stanford the game when it was not so.  

>True.  But boy, did that trombone player pay...

Actually, legend has it that he went around the Band Shak, picked up a
couple of trashed trombones, and sold them to Cal alums for large sums
of money by telling them that that was "the" horn...

>Actually, the penalty was a personal foul against the Cal team,
>basically for having gone all the way over to the Stanford bench area.
>The team is defined as the players, coaches, cheerleaders, and the
>band.  The fans aren't included.  You cannot penalize the home team
>for having fans on the field so long as the home team makes a
>reasonable effort to get them off the field, which they were.

>And yes, I was there.  And no, I wasn't on the field.

I was. :-)  With the Stanford Band, behind the end zone where we
belong.  Thing is, if the fans hadn't rushed the field, the band,
cheerleaders, and team wouldn't have either, so everybody was equally
at fault there.  The fact that the team (including the band and
cheerleaders) were the only ones who could be legally penalized is
a technicality.  And I didn't see anyone making a "reasonable" effort
to get people off the field besides the security people...Then again,
I was a bit shocked and preoccupied at the time. :-)

>I think a bigger factor leading to the winning field goal was the
>questionable roughing the passer call on the ensuing drive.

If we hadn't kicked off from the 50 in the first place, there's no way
we would have gotten close enough, penalty or no penalty.

>   At least we can agree that USC's band sucks.

>There are just some things in the universe you don't question.

Damn straight. :-)

>David Paschich

Adam Elman
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Leave Minnesota Alone, Colorado Weenies!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:07:36 CDT

Gee, if I had what was considered a top-10 team by a few pre-season mags,
and I had to come back to beat what many pre-season mags believed to be
the worst team in the Big 10, I wouldn't be bragging or picking on them
for losing a close one.  What a dork!
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Former Purdue QB's on Saturday
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:34:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

First, I see this NFL preview show with Len Dawson, Nick Bonnicante
(spelled wrong, I know) and some other dude.  Then, I see that Bob Griese
is doing the Miami-FSU game.  Finally, I get Gary Danielson for the
Wisconsin-Ohoho State game.  What's the deal?  I think all these former
Purdue QB's on TV is making the woofing gods mad at Purdue (even though you
NEVER hear these guys comment on Purdue).
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Obnoxious Maryland TD Celebrations
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:12:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.004217.23552@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu  
(Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
> 
> *but it was annoying (as was not having any plastic studium cups to collect).
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> It's interesting someone else noticed this.  I have stadium cups from
> EVERY game I've ever been to, probably 30 different cups, BUT MAryland
> NEVER prints stadium cups.  Any Terripins know why?

> *Danny

Actually, the last time I went to a Maryland game I discovered the
same thing - but they did have a Thermos (tm) type thing that came
with a Coke in it for about $2.50.  

The previously described celebration could become annoying with the
run-and-shoot.  Navy has a similar cannon, but no scoring problem.
I think Clemson also has a pretty loud cannon, but it didn't echo
given the number of occupied seats in Death Valley.

> Jeff Butera     jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
--
* "In 27 years of marriage, Todd never noticed Marie's tentacle" *
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
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From: Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu (Kevin Buttler )
Subject: Re: Purdue-Notre Dame prediction
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: University of Notre Dame-Multi media Lab
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:56:11 GMT

In article <Bv7uCv.Buv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, lillie@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Christopher Lillie) wrote:
> 
> In article <Kevin.T.Buttler.1-260992184002@oucfax.cc.nd.edu> 
> Well Kevin,
>      Yes, my team did get stomped today as I must admit, yet as you so 
> accurately pointed out I'm still proud of Purdue. The Boilers won't
> always be that bad. I saw a better future in the Cal game. So we'll be 
> back. Yes, Purdue has looked bad in their last two outings, but at least we
> don't flame Colletto like you morons flame Holtz. Can't you dummies see when
> you've got a good thing?
>      In response to your comment about our Engineering program, from the 
> education I'm getting (at a third of the cost of ND) it is not overrated. 
> How the hell would you know whether or not it is overrated. I'm quite confident
> that it is far, far ahead of the Notre Dame program.
>      Oh yeah, we won't be working for you, but at least we will be working.
> I'm quite sure you won't make it out of the unemployment lines.
> -- 

Uh Chris,
	Well the hell makes you think we don't like Holtz, everyone worships
the man.  Get your facts straight pal.
	As far as who attends the better school...I don't think it's appropiate
to discuss over a football bulletin, but here's a little advice- next
time you talk down to another school, make sure you have something to 
back it!  You have no idea what it's like to live under the
dome (and you never will).  If you want to go ahead and think you're
getting
a better education that's your right.  (Keep dreaming)
As far as me being unemployed.....yeah right, don't kid yourself Chris.

Go Irish!
Kevin Buttler
Instructional Technology Lab
University of Notre Dame
E-mail:  Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Why won't ND play FAMU?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:57:43 GMT

stavast@rls.b11.ingr.com writes:

>Skip - I just want to assure you that you should go to the game when
>ND and BYU do home/home games.   You won't have that negative experience
>there :-)  [Mormons (and thusly BYU) :just say NO: to alcoholic beverages]
>And while there's no beaches to hit, the scenery remains breathtaking.

Oh - and I suppose next you're going to tell us that Utah is "God's Counry?"  
Well let me tell you about the beatiful South Bend countryside . . . er . . . 
never mind - you win.

     - Pat
.
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
- Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------
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From: pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil)
Subject: Re: A long day (so to speak . . .)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 16:31:20 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
: an article about Steve Thompson who rushed for 405 yards yesterday for Rocky 
: Mountain as the beat Carroll College in overtime.  Oh - Thosmpson scored the
: winning touchdown in addition to five others.

The guy scores 6 TD's and they still have to win in OT.  This must have been a 
fun game to watch.  All offense and no defense. 


: 
: Sad thing for Thompson is that his 405 yards only qualifies him for second best
: in NAIA history.  Top honors go to Derrick Williams who in 1976 gained 409 
: yards for Eastern Montana in a game against Montana Tech.
: 

Even sadder, is that Thompson will probably never get a fair shot at the NFL. 
Even if he plays NAIA ball, 405 yards in a game takes some sort of talent.  


:      - Pat
: .
: -- 
: - Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
: - Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
: - Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
: - pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------

--Pranav
  (Buffs, Broncos, Nuggets, Rockies)

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Keywords: the chockemiester, chokarama, the chokinator...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:20:47 GMT

In article <BvM3nu.B4G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>yeah, right, Bowden sucks.  That's why he's one of the top five
>coaches with the best winning percentage.
>
>Not even in SEC, I have immense respect for Bowden.

	I always chuckle when I see fans of the "elite" football schools
	ripping their coaches after an important loss or tie.  First it
	was Holtz against Michigan (I'm sure he's in more hot water now
	that ND lost to Bill Walsh), now it's Bowden.  Get real...

	Take the football program at Purdue.  Please...

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From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: Stanford banned again
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:57:01 GMT

In article <randall.717877452@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
>Let's say that the Oregon Band came to Stanford and did a show
>about the Stanford-government-money scandal, former Stanford President
>Kennedy, the Oakland fire, the 1989 earthquake, the Giants
>moving to Tampa, Silicon Valley unemployment, etc.   It is possible
>to do a "good spoof" on any of these subjects, and some people
>in the Palo Alto crowd might think it was funny- but thousands
>of them would simply find it to be offensive.  Why ruin a 
>nice afternoon of college football with stuff like that?
>

Knowing Stanford, we'd probably get a kick out of it.  Hell, you could
*try* to be offensive about everything we've been involved in, and we'd
still get a kick out of it.  In case you haven't figured it out, most
students (I dunno about alums, but I suspect most after the class of '70
or thereabouts) don't take themselves or the university seriously.

Remember, this is the same student body that elected Bart Simpson to
the senate (on write-in votes alone), and last year voted to do away
with our council of presidents altogether.

Why do you think we have a band like we do? :-)

>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
>Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall

.....Elson.....
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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Stanford banned again
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:43:16 GMT

In <randall.717877452@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

>conery@kiwanda.cs.uoregon.edu (John Conery) writes:

>>I'm with Adam on this one.  The Oregon show *was* funny -- my favorite
>>piece was their rendition of Monty Python's Lumberjack song ("I'm a
>>lumberjack and I'm OK....").  It was one of those things where
>>predispositions decided how people reacted.  I was looking forward to
>>a good spoof, and that's what I saw.  People who feel threatened by
>>owls (or who think anything but a traditional marching band is a
>>disgrace) saw something else.

[whining deleted]

>Let's say that the Oregon Band came to Stanford and did a show
>about the Stanford-government-money scandal, former Stanford President
>Kennedy, the Oakland fire, the 1989 earthquake, the Giants
>moving to Tampa,

Ummm, you mean like the LSJUMB does every week?  Randall, you *obviously*
have not been listening.  The Band makes fun of Stanford, the money scandal,
Don-don, the California image, etc. all the time.

Relax, open a brew, take your clothes off, and chill out a little, OK?

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