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From: ee154fbk@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (M)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth,misc.wanted,ca.wanted,sdnet.wanted,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: WANTED: Rackmount mixer and efx
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:07:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41118
Followup-To: poster

Looking for a rackmount mixer(Kawai, Roland etc), 8 channels + w/ at
least 2 efx loops.  Also need DSP box which does the basic things,
maybe a Quadraverb or something similar.  Stuff has to be in good
working condition and not banged up by gigging around.

Email info if you have stuff for sale please...

	ee154fbk@sdcc15.ucsd.edu
From: rspangle@celaeno.uucp (Randy Spangler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:35:33 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: celaeno.micro.caltech.edu


I have had no problems at all with my D-10 and Wing Commander I/II.
It downloads patches to the D-10 and sounds just fine (well, fantastic
actually - far better than the SoundBlaster sounds).  

The patch format _is_ compatible between the D-10 and MT-32 - the D-10
just adds a reverb module and less noisy synth chips.

Since the D-110 is just the D-10 without the keyboard, it will work
the same way.  The D-50 is probably a lost cause, though, since it is
only bi-timbral rather than 8-part multi-timbral, and has a completely
different patch structure (better filters and such).
From: deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (A. J. Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Akai AX73 VCA problems
Keywords: Akai AX73
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:40:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: cantua.Bxy26s.Ior
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I've just bought an AX73 (admittedly for the keyboard) but some of the
voices seem to have a VCA problem. With the VCA level set to 0, 3 of the 6
voices still make sound. Likewise, velocity can't modulate those voices
either and the result can be rather pukey sounding music and the a feeling
that you're playing really badly! It's not the keyboard (luckily), it does
it through midi too. I swung the lid back and had a look at the sound
generation board which has 6 socketed chips (sorry forgot to get the number)
amongst other things. Anyone have the pinout information for these and/or
know where I should start?

While I'm at it, does the synth have any neat features that wouldn't be
noticed while editing sounds / pressing buttons? (I don't have any manuals)
I think I have worked out what all the paramaters are and what the buttons
do when you press them, but there could be something obscure hidden in
there... (like a 'press 2 buttons simultaneously and reboot under windows
mode' emulating a 486 processor and using the 1.2 Gig drive hidden within
the power supply transformer! :-) 

Also, the battery died at some stage and the factory sounds are either
ok/dead/damaged/edited. I'm not asking anyone to go through and write down
all the numbers and type 'em in etc, but if anyone has them at hand on a
computer I'd be grateful if they could email me a copy. Or a soundblaster
sampled sound file of an entire tape dump (hmm, something to play with!), or
even a sysex dump if the ax73 can do it. I'm getting the MIDI chart in a few
days.

Thanks, Antony. (deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz)  
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: sgk@cbnews.cb.att.com (stan.g.kobylanski)
Subject: Mannheim Rocket??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:15:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth



In the November 92 issue of Keyboard, Jim Aikin discussed music education       
and posed a small musical facts quiz in which he asked to define some musical
terms.  I didn't know all of them but I had heard most of them at       
one time or another except for "Mannheim rocket".  I've ask a few
knowledgeable musical friends and they have never heard of it either.  Because  
it was in a synthesizer oriented peridical, I thought perhaps someone who
reads this discussion might know and be able to define this term.

Stan Kobylanski
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Chris Rogers
Subject: FOR SALE: DigiDesign AD/IN analog-digital converter
Reply-To: kevinr@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:29:25 GMT

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<---------------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm selling my DigiDesign AD/IN analog to digital converter which is
used with the Macintosh AudioMedia and Sound Accelerator cards.
It is a necessary component of the DigiDesign SoundTools system
if you don't have a DAT/IO digital interface.

I'm asking $375.  The reason I'm selling, is because I've upgraded to
a DAT/IO interface and DAT recorder...

Chris Rogers (kevinr@wri.com)
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kawai k4r
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:11:08 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
Sorry , I'm new to this group ,and I'm not sure I should be posting this here ..

Can anyone give me some knowledge on the Kawai k4r ??? I'm just moving up from 
the noisetracer side of things on an Amiga ,and I'm going to get a good
sequencer (possibly Bars and Pipes) ....

Does anyone know how many tracks I can expect to have (eg 16) with an Amiga a500
with 1 meg and 2 drives ???

Has anyone had any experience of running a k4r in a vagualy similar setup ??


please e-mail me , thanks ....
Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Arp Omni question
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:08:43 GMT

In article <101436@bu.edu>, jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) writes:
|> I have an Arp Omni. I have had it for awhile but have never tried to sequence 
|> it with other cv synths.  I was told that because of the type of synthesis
|> employed, the Omni cannot be sequenced.

The type of synthesis employed has no bearing on its ability to be
sequenced. A MIDI port is required for sequencing. A MIDI to CV
convertor or a dedicated MIDI retrofit will allow you to sequence it.

|>  Does anyone know how I could sequence
|> it?  Also, I have scematics to the Omni and have fixed it several times, they
|> break down alot, so if anyone needs help, I can answer repair quwestions.
|> 
|> Thank you.
|> 
|> Jonathan Disegi Boston university (jdisegi@bu.acs.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: scollins@cs.tcd.ie (Steven Collins)
Subject: Re: Yamaha SY85
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:02:35 GMT

In article <BxtB20.54u@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> ibsieker@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Bernd Sieker) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.154843.11398@ichips.intel.com>, pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner) writes:
>|> Does anyone out there know if Yamaha makes a synth that's close to/exactly
>|> like the SY85 without the on-board sequencer?
>|> 
>No, (i. e. Yes, I know), Yamaha does not make anything like that.
>All Synthesizers in that price class come with a sequencer onboard, as

Well the TG500 module is effectively two SY85's, its not a keyboard
though just a rackmount version, but 64 note polyphony (with
restrictions)

Steven Collins

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: C14093@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Phonenet Penang)
Subject: SY85 ?? Korg 01/w FD ??
Organization: Motorola
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:47:48 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: thomas@gmd.de (Tom Gordon, I3.KI 2665)
Subject: Re: Yamaha SY85
Reply-To: thomas@gmd.de
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:01:08 GMT

In article 54u@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de, ibsieker@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (B
>
> The most expensive synthesizer without sequencer seems to be the
> SY55, tho I'm not sure, if it is still being produced.
> It couldn't compete with the SY85 anyway, i. e. it is a few
> years older (therefore inferiour sound quality, fewer changable
> sound parameters and no filters)
>
> Bernd
> ~~~~~
> --

The SY55 does have an on-board sequencer.  It also has (resonant)
filters, and its sound quality is not, in my humble opinion, (much)
inferior.   The main improvements made in the SY85 over the SY55, which is
its predecessor are:

1) more voices (30, up from 16)
2) more ROM waves  (6 megabytes, up from 2.  Admittedly, this may have improved
the sound quality of some of the samples.)
3) RAM memory for your own samples
4) a disk drive
5) 2 independent effects processors, instead of one, now with real-time control.
(OK, this may also have improved the sound somewhat.)
5) and most important, a much improved user-interface:  larger display, 8 slider
etc.


---
Thomas F. Gordon
GMD, FIT; Artificial Intelligence Research Division
5205 Sankt Augustin 1 / Germany
email: thomas.gordon@gmd.de;  phone: (+49 2241) 14-2665


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Hello there,

I am thinking of getting either a Yamaha SY85 or a Korg 01/w FD.

Could anyone list out the pros and cons of these 2 machines?

Appreciate your help and thanks in advance.

Regards,
KK.
From: vulcan@spartacus.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Whitman [SparcTech])
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Sequencer Plus (SP3) to Cake Walk conversion
Date: 20 Nov 1992 06:25:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spartacus
Keywords: Synth Sequencer


I am looking for a software tool which will convert sequences done
in Sequencer Plus (SP3) to Cake Walk (or Midi Standard) format.
I understand that the newer version of Sequencer Plus (Gold) can read
and write files in Midi Standard format; however, I do not want to invest 
any more bucks into Voyetra at this point. If there is no tool, but
someone out there owns SP Gold and can convert these, I would pay some 
reasonable amount for the service. Alternatively, if someone out there knows 
the SP3 format and could convey that info to me, I could write my own tool.

Thanks in advance for any information.

Jeff
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: GeneralMusic (GEM) S2 bugs
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:20:25 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <9211172106.aa24981@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>Oh, by the way, as you can probably tell: I'm back, soft-of, via a lot of
>hastily knocked-up scripts and external routines, MicroPhone II, Eudora
>mail reader, MacSLIP and other stuff which lets me plug my PowerBook
>directly into the Internet.

Welcome back, Nick.  You haven't missed anything important or interesting.
However, you might want to quietly move on over to rec.music.makers.synth
an act as if nothing happened.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: grahame@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: WANTED:  TR-9090 & SH-101
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:22:00 GMT

I'm looking for a decent used Roland TR-909 drum machine and at
Roland SH-101 monosynth in reasonable condition. If you've got either, I've
got $$$ waiting. Please reply to

GRAHAME@SASK.USASK.CA

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Velharticky)
Subject: ROLAND D-20, ALPHA JUNO-2, AND PEAVEY KB-300 FOR SALE
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: ontario
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:23:08 GMT

F O R   S A L E
================

This music equipment is in excellent condition and was never used on
the road.  I am posting from Toronto.  Buyer pays shipping.
Send all requests to velhart@epas.utoronto.ca.


Roland Alpha Juno-2 synthesizer --------------------------------($400)

	6-voice, analog/digital hybrid (DCO/VCF/VCA), 128 tones (64
	preset, 64 user-programmable), 64 extra tones on data sheets,
	5-octave keyboard (61 keys), velocity- and channel
	aftertouch-sensitive keys, polyphonic portamento, chord
	memory, octave transpose, biometric multi-parameter
	adjustment, carrying case included.


Roland D-20 synthesizer ----------------------------------------($800)

	32-voice, digital Linear Arithmetic synth (12-bit PCM
	sample-playback and synthesized waveforms), 9-track sequencer
	(8 + 1 drum track) 16,000 note capacity, built-in 3.5" disk
	drive, 5-octave keyboard (61 keys), velocity-sensitive keys,
	128 preset tones, 64 user-programmable tones, 448 extra tones
	on disk, 32 preset drum patterns, 32 user programmable drum
	patterns, carrying case included.


Peavey KB-300 keyboard amplifier ------------------------------($400)

	130-watt, 3-channel, 3-band EQ on each channel, reverb on each
	 channel, 1	effects send (ch. 1), horn driver and 15" scorpion
	 subwoofer, dust cover included.


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ddm@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (David Marquette)
Subject: keyboard quest
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:17:31 GMT

i am preparing to buy a new keyboard and, being a newcomer to the electronic
music scene, i seek advice on what to look for, things to avoid, etc.

i am looking for a keyboard with the following features:

	- multi-timbral

	- primarily acoustic sounds
	
	- built-in sequencer (with multiple polyphonic track capability)

	- number of voices - at least 32.

	- built-in effects with the option of using external processing

	- aftertouch - key aftertouch preferred

	- price - around $1500

	- capable of splitting, layering


i intend to use the keyboard for composing, and would like to be able to
lay down all of the instrumental tracks (varying combinations of piano, guitar,
bass, drums, a few horns and/or strings here and there) on the keyboard track
and run that track out to tape.  as i understand it a good way to do this would
be to lay down the vocal track(s) over the instrumental track on a 4 or 8 track
recorder with the instrumentals on one track and voices on the others.  when i
visited a local music store and discussed the situation, the ensoniq SQ-1 was
recommended.  does anyone out there have any experience with this model?  i
think that the ensoniq SQ-2 would probably be better (more keys, channel
pressure).  does ensoniq have a reputation for being unreliable?  would there
be another keyboard more suitable?  might i be able to find a used keyboard with
most or all of these features?

to those of you who respond, thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

david
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:06:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.004737.21985%yfwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> yfwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (EE U780935) writes:
|>CTIRABAS@ESTEC.BITNET () writes:
|>> Hope it does not sound too silly...
|>> A lot of games support music score thru MIDI interface (MPU-401 compatible).
|>> They usually play an MT-32.
|>> Does anybody know if a D-10, D-110 or even D-50 would work as well?
|> 
|>No!  If you use D-10 to play games, you'll hear incorrect music....  Too bad....... :-(
|>

	No!  See my recent post that sets up your D10 to be an MT32.
	It should sound 99% correct (if not 100%!).


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       | \|on |/eutsch |>>-----------------<<|  I'd pay a dollar" |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Oberheim Matrix 1000 vs. Matrix 6R
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:39:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.010910.21869@odin.corp.sgi.com>  
archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully) writes:
> 
> M1000 trick of the day: you can warm up the sound by playing it through  
a 
> Mesa/Boogie turned up to 11.
> 

Sounds like a Keith Emerson trick... :-)

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From: britt@Apple.COM (Joe Britt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: help!  master reset for HR16...
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:35:53 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA


Hello all,

is there a magic-keypress sequence for the HR-16 to return it
to the state it comes from the factory in?

i bought mine used, so i don't have a manual...i suppose it might
be documented there...

thanks!

joe
From: kaustell@viikki.Helsinki.FI (KIM OLAVI KAUSTELL (MATEK))
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MT-32 Drum Tracks
Summary: Drum patterns can be found at archive.cs.ruu.nl
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:03:02 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Fac.Agric.For.

In article <1992Nov22.143203@cogs.sussex.ac.uk> joek@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Josef Karthauser) writes:

>Is there anywhere that I can get drum patterns for an Roland MT-32 (preferably in
>.MID format)? Also is there an MT-32 mailing list?

>Any answers would be grately received....

>Joe

>*********************************************
>* Josef Karthauser  |  joek@cogs.susx.ac.uk *
>*********************************************

I found about 150 midi format drum patterns (some with a bass line) at 
archive.cs.ruu.nl in pub/MIDI/SONGS. The file is called drums.arc.

All the best

                        y-=p Kim Kaustell p=-y
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From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:45:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxxAn2.LyF
Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?

In article <1eboj5INN6u4@gap.caltech.edu> rspangle@celaeno.uucp (Randy Spangler) writes:
|>
|>I have had no problems at all with my D-10 and Wing Commander I/II.
|>It downloads patches to the D-10 and sounds just fine (well, fantastic
|>actually - far better than the SoundBlaster sounds).  
|>
|>The patch format _is_ compatible between the D-10 and MT-32 - the D-10
|>just adds a reverb module and less noisy synth chips.
|>

	Nope.  Not MIDI compatible.  

|>Since the D-110 is just the D-10 without the keyboard, it will work
|>the same way.  The D-50 is probably a lost cause, though, since it is
|>only bi-timbral rather than 8-part multi-timbral, and has a completely
|>different patch structure (better filters and such).

	Actually, the D50 and MT32 are more MIDI compatible than the
	D10 and the MT32.  There are many D50/MT32 patch librarians out
	there.  The D10/D110 are totally (well, a tad) different.


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From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Christopher Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: MT-32 vs. D-110
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:21:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

The Synth module in the D5/D10/D20/D110/MT32/CM32L are the same. The extra
bits with each synth vary slightly.

The D5 has no effects.
The D10/D20/D110 has a different PCM chip in it.

As far as I know though, the MT32 and CM32L are identical and the D10, D20
and D110 are identical.

So as long as a sound doesn't use any of the PCM sounds, it should work fine
on all of the above synths.

Another one is the CM64, I don't know much about this one, but I think it's an
MT32 (or D110) AND a U110 in the same unit.

        .-----------------------------.-----------------------------.
        | Mr.Zap ---*                 | Organising C programmers is |
        | aka Chris Adams             | like trying to herd cats.   |
        | cwa@getafix.oasis.icl.co.uk |         -- Unknown          |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: grahame@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: Ensoniq/Emusic info
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:30:27 GMT

Hi all.
        In the December issue of Keyboard magazine, Ensoniq was kind
enough to waste a page of ad space with an amazingly cryptic ad for
"Emusic" -- they were kind enough to mention that they intended to
"make your computer groove" (ooh! :-)
        I've heard rumors of a direct-to-disk card that the Ensoniq
elves were supposed to be working on. Is this it, or is this just
their way of trying to confuse the competition (and us!?!) ???

James Grahame ... Dying from Northern Overexposure somewhere in the
                  Great White Canadian North.
From: sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu (Mark J. Sarisky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI / Music Stuff For Sale
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:08:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For Sale:
 
MidiMAN SyncMan MIDI Sync to Tape Box
        -SMPTE/Song Pointer Sync Box
        -Jam Sync so tape dropouts don't cause problems
        -Expandable and updatable
        -like new
 
        $80 OBO plus shipping
 
Synetrix 501 Compressor and Limiter
        -One of the best non-tube vocal compressors made
        -Manual or fully automatic operation  
        -With FX loop for inserting EQ
 
        $200 OBO plus shipping
 
Yamaha FX500 Simul-Effects Processor
        -Great guitar do everything box
        -Five SPX-90 digital fx at the same time
        -2 Midi controllers asignable to any parameter
        -Headphone amp built in (fun late night jamming)
 
        $250 OBO plus 
 
Contact: Mark at sarisky@a.chem.upenn.edu
         email me here or call 215-925-7372

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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: POOF
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:56:36 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>Similarly, if a CFV to rmgroup <insert your favorite newsgroup here> passes,
>then *POOF!* <your favorite newsgroup> disappears in a cloud of orange smoke.
>
>hees@cubic.com (Phil Hees) (i think; the thread's getting thick . . .)

ENABLE HUMOR

yeah, that would be a major bummer --- what would i do for a life without
"alt.tv.seinfeld" and "rec.arts.startrek.ensign.wesley.die.die.die"?  :-)

DISABLE HUMOR

however, if a majority _did_ vote to remove a group, then there must be
an excellent reason; the fact that it was _your_ favorite should not
force countless sites around the world to continue carrying it.
since you don't seem to favor official votes, please tell me the
magic number we should all use to determine if a group is worthy . . .
thirty-five posters?  eight?  will a lurker be worth one-third of a poster?

"the only good thing about democracy is that it's eleven times better
than any other form of government."  who said that?

>Anyone ever read the short story "The Lottery"?

yeah.  so?  she could have moved away to a more "civilized" community.

ok
dpm
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              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
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