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From: drs@stsci.edu (David Soderblom,B441,7983,ADD.02-26-92)
Subject: Re: MORE ON COR-TEN STEEL
Originator: drs@hyades.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:13:24 GMT

A recently-posted article discusses the use of Cor-ten steel in RR feight cars,
especially hoppers, noting that they appeared to be painted, depsite the
special oxidation properties of Cor-Ten (it rusts, of course, but without
flaking off in big pieces so that it forms a self-protecting coating like
many other metals).

I cannot provide a definitive answer, but I can distinctly recall seeing
_unpainted_ Cor-Ten hoppers in the south on a train trip in 1971.  I was on the
L&N primarily, so I believe that that was the owning road of the cars.
They were clearly _unpainted_ cars, as opposed to _unmaintained_, because
their entire surface areas had iron oxide (i.e., rust), except for the
lettering.  Moreover, the surface had the appearance of other Cor-Ten
applications I have seen (smooth and powdery without blisters or flakes).

David Soderblom
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore Md
soderblom@stsci.edu
From: womersle@pdsf.ssc.gov (John Womersley)
Subject: Train Watching in Dallas?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:00:07 GMT

I have just relocated to the Dallas area.  Can anyone suggest any
good train watching locations in or around the city?
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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: NEC
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:11:32 GMT

In article <3247@tymix.Tymnet.COM>
romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac) writes:
 
>
>Hey, Len. I didn't have anything to do with the paragraph you quoted
>above. As the old-time usenet admonition goes "check your attribution".
>
>I don't claim to know a thing about the FL-9, and wouldn't make
>any definite statement about their properties.
>
>If you want to shoot me down, wait until I say something about the
>Pennsy or its rolling stock.
>
I didn't mean anything as a personal criticism.  I may have deleted
the wrong lines when I edited the note to which I was replying.  I
often find it difficult, due to the characteristics I guess of different
mailer programs, to know exactly who is posting a note - especially when
they don't include a signature.  I'm certainly not interested in
"shooting anybody down".  We all have erasers on our pencils, as it were,
and a good way to learn about many topics (and it's certainly true of
the arcane topic of railroad history) is to make a statement and see what
comments it brings forth.  "Run it up the flagpole and see who salutes!"
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Felton (CA) train tunnel burned up :-(
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:03:57 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SunSomethingOrOther
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(From a local Santa Cruz (CA) mailing list, sligthly edited ...  I haven't
been following this newsgroup, so if this is not an appropriate topic,
please just ignore it ... )

Last Friday (1/22), the train tunnel south of Felton, in Henry Cowell
Park, burned up, and both ends collapsed.  (That's the one that the Santa
Cruz & Big Trees train used to go through on its way from Roaring Camp to
the Boardwalk.)

For details, check out last Saturday's Santa Cruz Sentinel, or today's
(1/27) [San Lorenzo] Valley Press.  Sorry, I have neither scanner nor
patience enough to type it in.  But here's a pathetic few more details
that came out during the mailing-list conversation:

> Any indication of the cause?

No, none.  In fact, the last paragraph of the Valley Press article
suggests that they may never know the cause, due to the way both ends of
the tunnel collapsed.  They also did discover that none of the wood had
ever been treated with (highly flammable) creosote, so that was not a
factor.

The Valley Press article also suggested that they will likely try to
rebuild a workaround rather than "daylight" the tunnel.  But having been
there, I sure can't imagine where else they could possible route that
track.  Does anyone know if they are looking for volunteer railroad
enthusiasts to help out with the rebuild?  (I wonder if they even know of
the existence of railroad worker-volunteers ...)

> Are there such things as railroad worker volunteers???

Yup.  I've been told of a fair amount of work being done by volunteers
on a set of tracks that go through Niles Canyon.  Also, restoration of
old locomotives -- I have a friend who spent a few Saturdays last
summer de-rusting a few square feet of a locomotive.

 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
So, anyway, does anyone out here in rec.railroad know more details,
and/or whether the SC&BTRR folks would work with volunteers?
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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: electric railway in Russia
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 26 JAN 93 19:16:51    

In article <1k3b7uINNgap@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S|
Tobias Koehler) writes, in part:

>can anybody tell me which current system is used on the electrified part
>of the Russian 1524 mm SZD network (and other ex-CCCP states)? Do they use 
>one system on the whole network?

	I believe the older parts are 3KVDC, with newer work at 25KV, 50Hz.
thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass, USA	
01775				pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: NEC
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:00:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <C1A9rx.Hww@acsu.buffalo.edu>, yhshowie@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Howard Wharton) writes, in part:

>In article <3212@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
>writes...
>>In article <1993Jan21.223109.5326@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
>>pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson) writes:
>> 
>>>	Actaully, they were pretty compatible, from 1920ish on.  The power
>>>	didn't run thru because that "wasn't done", at the time.  Earlier, Penn
>>>	Staion was third rail, 600VDC, overrunning third rail, so either
>>>	PRR DD1 e-loks or NH power with thrid rail shoes (also used elsewhere)
>>>	ran into Penn Station.

>  Power (motors) were changed at Sunnyside...New Haven's motors that ran
>into GCT were designed to run on NYCs underrunning 3rd rail not on
>PRR/LIRR overrunning third rail. I belive that the FL-9s shoes could be
>changed to over or underrunning.
	hmmmm.  This is not real well documented, and may have changed from
	generation to generation of the NH Electrics.  I believe that any
	purchased after the NY Connecting (the line from New Rochelle to 
	Harold) had three way shoes: all the way up, overrunning, underrruning.

	The NH Employee TT certainly refers to NH locos equipped to run into
	Penn Station: They needed ATS to meet PRR requirements for tunnel ops.
	A change of power in Penn Station would save a stop at Harold.  Harold
	also seems to be referenced in the NH Employee TT as the dividing line:
	specific reference is made to rake off blocks at Harold.  (these would
	knock off 3rd rail shoes, in case they hadn't raised, to prevent the
	shoes fouling something further along.)
	
thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass, USA	
01775				pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Steam Locomotives
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:01:14 EST
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:

>   I have what is probably an incredibly basic question to follow up this 
> thread.  Did steam for passenger trains using steam engines come directly
> from the engine boiler?  I'd imagine the steam pressure would be too high for
> the steam lines to accept; did they lower the pressure somehow?  And is
> the "steam for heat" line externally visible on the boilers of passenger 
> engines, or was it internalized somehow?

On the USRA light mike on which I worked, there was a pressure regulator which
led to what must have been a 2-1/2 or 3" pipe.  This was routed down the back 
head and through a flexible coupling to the tender, and then to the back of 
the tender.  Normal operating pressure in the steam line was about 30 
pounds as I recall - though since most of the traps on our cars were
sorely in need of rebuilding (the expansible doughnut gaskets needed replaced)
we rarely operated the steam heat on the tourist trips upon which I worked.
That made for some chilly starts in October in Ohio!

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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: used RDCs
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:34:30 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1993Jan21.155437.23859@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes:
>USED RDC CARS
>
>Hobo RR's cars are all used as trailers.  Although the
>engines in most still run well, they were run by the
>MTBA as trailers and didn't have proper lubrication in
>their transmissions.  Now all but one have stripped
>gears and other damage that makes repair improbable.
>Further, the Hobo RR fellow said they cannot get parts
>to fix them (and you can bet that they got the best
>cars left).  [Maybe the Canadian National has parts;
>I have heard that they have just retired all their cars].
>
CN sold its RDCs to VIA Rail in 1978, as did CP.  VIA retired
most of its RDCs following the service cutbacks of Jan. 1990.
RDCs are still used for VIA's Sudbury-White River and Victoria-
Courtenay services.  As of a year ago, VIA had 6 active, 10 stored,
and 51 retired RDCs on the roster.  BC Rail has 12 RDCs which
operate between North Vancouver and Prince George.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: C&NW sound file posted
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:33:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


   After GBW 313 east (last week's subject) cleared the crossing of the CNW
at Merrillan, WI, C&NW 6892 south, which had been waiting patiently north of 
the depot, proceeded south.  The .SND is of 6892 whistling for a grade 
crossing just before throttling up.  In both appearance and sound, it was 
quite a contrast to the Alcos of the GBW.
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From: Fred.W..Hyde@f4016.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Fred W. Hyde)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: SD9's and GP9's, was Re: West Coast Spottings
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:50:52 -0600

Re: SD9's and GP9's, was Re: West Coast Spottings
By: Evan L. Werkema #0 @1:282/31 FIDOnet     

Count the Twin Cities in as a first generation have. BN still runs about
15-20 SD9s of all BN heritages in transfer service and local freight up here,
and Soo still has their seven 42-year old GP7s in daily service. 

Minneapolis is a great place for the avid fan:

1)ex-D&H C424ms on a local switching road
2)Lots of first generation geeps and SDs on BN, Soo, CNW
3) GP30s are still around on Wisconsin Cnetral
4) SD45s, ditto (in WC Maroon & Gold...nice looking!)
5) SD60ms from BN, Soo, UP
6)GM demo BL20-2s on BN
7) CP geeps and lots of SDs on Soo
8) CNW C40-8s
9) Minnesota Valley has an SD35, SD24, and an SD7 along with their Geeps
10)lotsa pool power (NS, CSX, CR, UP, DM&IR, SP, ATSF, KCS, GTW, CN, etc.
etc.)

Plus, lots of scenic locations close by:

Mississippi River, ex-GN Duluth Line, WC east of town (2880-foot bridge
across St Croix River...160 feet high), C&NW in western Wisconsin, Iron ore
roads only two hours away, GB&W (while it lasts), and the DM&E.

A great place to model and shoot.

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From: kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kershner Wyatt)
Subject: Re: European track
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:38:38 GMT

In article <63601@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>It might be pointed out that the range of AVERAGE daily temperature in the
>american plains is on the order of 100 degrees F (~55 degrees C).  The total

Small nit.  55 deg C is 131 deg F.  That's more akin to Death Valley.  100 is
about 38 deg. C.

Sorry, I've lived using both temperature scales.

:) K.

-- 
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com

My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.
From: 195ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX Safety Caboose
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:40:36 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1993Jan21.191300.7392@gw.wmich.edu>, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <C17I7o.EAv@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>, organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic) writes:
>> In article <C14790.5EH@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> wadams@dane.ECE.CMU.EDU (William Adams) writes:
>>>
>>>A while back, someone was looking for CSX "safety" cabooses.  
>>>
>>>I saw one parked alone in Brunswick, MD on 12/13/92  (# 904027)
>>>
>>>	Bill
>>>	wadams@faraday.ece.cmu.edu
>> 
>> I see one go by my office window every day (I look out on the line
>> that runs from D.C. through Brunswick, Maryland
>  
> 
> CSX has one in Benton Harbor, MI used on the local.  There are also
> several sitting in Wyoming Yard in Grand Rapids, MI waiting to be
> scrapped.
> 
> Jeff
> 
Let me correct my brother's posting. They are not CSX safety cabooses
they are Chessie cabooses with the safety logo on the side. They are the
bay window type that Chessie ordered from FGE in 1980. There are also some
sitting on a scrap line in the Wyoming Yard in Grand Rapids.
We have had a CSX Safety caboose though in the Michigan area. Once a weed-
sprayer train came through and had one on it...

Fred
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From: oyakea@lib111.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: WOODEN RAILED MONORAIL
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:24:47 GMT


  Hi there i am trying as a hobby to build a wooden ( yes it must be wood, two
bound 2x4's to be exact )  monorail and carrier system, which can climb
at 45 and 90 degree angles. I obviously need help so please mail ideas
thanx. The carrier will ride on the monorail and will be remot controled or 
automatic. The track will be two 15ft 2x4 bound together which can also be
angled.



xsxc
oyakea@rpi.edu
From: S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: electric railway in Russia
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:36:14 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
Distribution: world
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Hi,
 
can anybody tell me which current system is used on the electrified part
of the Russian 1524 mm SZD network (and other ex-CCCP states)? Do they use 
one system on the whole network?
 
By the way, I have just read that the reisebuero mittelthurgau (Weinfelden
TG, Switzerland) has bought the 25 Nostalgie-Istanbul-Orient-Express cars
(mostly LX sleeper cars, ex CIWL) and is going to operate them with 1524
mm bogies on the Transsibirian railway this summer.

So long
 
-=- tobi -=-
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Temperature extremes (was Re: European track)
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:07:59 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1993Jan22.191052.9723@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
>In article <63601@mimsy.umd.edu>, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>> It might be pointed out that the range of AVERAGE daily temperature in the
>> american plains is on the order of 100 degrees F (~55 degrees C).
>
>Nope.  Try ~38 degrees C.  Recall that: C(F) = (F - 32) / 1.8.
>
Yup.  If the temperature ranges from 0 to 100 F, then it ranges
from -18 to (about) +38 C, for a variation of 56 C. Charley's
close enough, Adrian's wrong.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: FCHARY@ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Pere Marquette delayed
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:27:11 GMT
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From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Amtrak's reputation(was Amtrak Pere Marquette delayed)
Message-id: <1993Jan25.215933.7461@gw.wmich.edu>
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:59:33 EST

In article <1993Jan25.130338.7448@gw.wmich.edu>, x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> Last night, Amtrak's Pere Marquette(#370) lost it's engine and was 
> stranded in Michigan City for nearly 5 hours until an engine could be
> sent out to pull the train.  This is the second time in less than a week
> that this train has been delayed by faulty equipment.  Last week an their
> engine died in Hammond, IN and was delayed for several hours.  Then the
> morning after that, the replacement engine was damaged and the train derailed
> by a flat-bed trailer on a truck in Gary near the steel mills.

So Michigan City remains a "black hole" for Amtrak. In the above incident,
passengers were bused to Grand Rapids after 4 hours. The engine in question
was #238, rescued by #299. Just if that wasn't enough, train 353's engine
282 failed about a mile north of where 371's engine failed. The train was
towed on 355 (engine #401).


> P370-24, as CSX designates it, arrived at St. Joseph MI at 12:53 am, rather
> than 8:11 pm as it is supposed to.

> This, in addition to last  month's wreck in Stevensville and the general
>  trend to be behind schedule have taken a toll on Amtrak's reputation.
>  After last month's wreck, many people said that they had taken their

Not a good week, I say. At least 365 (Toronto-Chicago) is consistently
on time (Not like last year when 4 hour delays and Grand Trunk rescue
engines were common).

Dave Chary
fbcb@iunsys.iun.indiana.edu
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From: news@csc.canberra.edu.au
Subject: re: Old Trains magazine
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 04:54:20 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: x92ochs1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Another tower gone(CSX Plaster Creek)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:04:30 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

On my recent trip to Wyoming Yard in Grand Rapids, MI, I noticed
a couple of things missing.  

There was a crane standing by a blank area of dirt where Plaster Creek
tower stood only days before.  Also, the powerhouse and storehouse were
gone.  All that was left of the powerhouse was the chimney, which was
supposed to be blown up, but wasn't because of the underground gas lines
in the area.
Plaster Creek tower was no longer in service as of May 13, 1992.  Mother's
Day was it's last day of operation.  I'm not sure when the powerhouse and
the storehouse were closed down.

Jeff

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: emery@goldfinger.mitre.org (David Emery)
Subject: Railroad auction
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:36:11 GMT

Saturday, 30 Jan, 10:00 AM, Concord, NH.  Lots of good looking stuff.
Phone (603) 332-0192 for more information, and don't bid against me...
					dave
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From: zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN)
Subject: BN 752
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:50:57 GMT

 I am wondering if anybody could tell me the history (i.e. pre merger
rail road, passenger or freight, etc) of the BN F-7 (or F-3 or F-9, I
don't know that bit either) that was cut up a few years back. The last
number that it had was 752.

Thanks much,



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From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: ? about engine sets
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: turntables
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., North Andover, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:32:11

In article <1k10miINNqc2@iraul1.ira.uka.de> S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler) writes:

    Are there still turning plates used in America for turning Diesel
    locomotives?

Yes - I don't think any new ones have been built since the end of the steam
era, but turntables and roundhouses are both convenient enough in cold
climates (Maine, Canada) that the surviving ones get routine maintenance.
    
    Is there an american standard for the cables that transmit the signals
    from the front cab to the other locomotive(s)?

Yes, since the mid-50s at least.  Some minor incompatibilities exist (gear
ratios must be fairly close), but mixed-vendor power sets were very common
even before mixed-RR power sets.

James B. VanBokkelen		2 High St., North Andover, MA  01845
FTP Software Inc.		voice: (508) 685-4000  fax: (508) 794-4488
From: hudson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Hudson Leighton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: European track
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:02:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: orbit.8933
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

One of the big problems with building thing up here in the Great White
North (Minneapolis, Minnesota) is that the temputure will vary over a year
from below -30f to 100f+.

Whenever we get a fancy new project from some famous "name" architect
we always get some great stories about sidewalks exploding, windows falling
out, toilets freezing, etc.

One of the local folklore stories is that the St. Paul Amtrak station
with is identical to Miami is that the blueprints got mixed up and we 
got Miami's heating system.


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