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From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Speed of gravity
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:29:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Oct9.123055.4018@ugle.unit.no> hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting) writes:

>This get more complicated when looking at black holes and such, because strong
>gravitational fields bends space and time.  

I thought that gravity is the bends in space and time, not a separate cause.
I might be wrong on that, but I do know that E=mc2 is often misunderstood
to mean that "mass can be converted into energy," when
the statement actually means that "mass can also be viewed as
energy from a different perspective."  The idea is that from the
perspective of those in a spaceship traveling really fast, they are
stationary and the rest of the universe has a lot of momenteum.  Someone
watching the spaceship from a planet will think it is going really fast and
they are sitting still.  Both are correct.  To one, the spaceship has a
lot of mass.  To the other, it has a lot of energy.

--PC

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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:11:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.science
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie) writes:
>dw@unislc.uucp (Dan Wright) writes:
>
>>I believe North American pronunciation is influenced by words such as:
>>barometer, chronometer, dynamometer, geometer, hydrometer, micrometer,
>>odometer, photometer, radiometer, speedometer, tachometer, and (last but
>>not least with respect to "normal" body temperature), thermometer.
>
>Which, of course, raises the question of how you differentiate
>micrometer (the instrument for measuring small lengths) from micrometer
>(one millionth of a meter), using American spellings. 

     Context. And sometimes, pronunciation.

     "I used a micrometer (my-KROM-et-er) to measure the length, but it
wasn't precise enough; I needed a measurement to the nearest micrometer
(MIKE-ro-meet-er)."

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From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: eel skin wallets
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:20:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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 Another idea on this eelskin thing is that the plastic sliding in and
out of the wallet causes an electrostatic effect. When you rub glass
with silk it produces a charge. Might not the same thing apply?


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From: jdh (jdh)
Subject: Re: o.k. scifi
Reply-To: jdh
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:04:29 GMT

In article <Bvu7zJ.AxF@eis.calstate.edu>, kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell) writes:
|> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
|> > In article <KETIL.92Sep27222303@svale.ii.uib.no>, ketil@svale.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde) writes:
|> > 
|> > >The water holds 4 deg C at the *bottom* of the ocean.  At least, it
|> > >has its highest density at that temperature.  I suppose volcanoes and
|> > >the like could change the temperature somewhat.  Locally.
|> > 
|> > When did they replace the oceans with distilled water?
good point!  due to the salinity, sea water is usually most dense at its 
coldest (just before freezing).
|> > 
|> > >I would think water would ger *warmer* not colder, due to increased
|> > >pressure.  This is just a feeling I have, may be wrong.
|> > 
|> > Only if work was done on the water as the pressure was increased.  Water's
|> > pretty incompressible.  I don't think the increased pressure would have a
|> > noticeable effect on temperature.
almost no effect, take sea water from the bottom of the Mindanao Trench near
the Philippines - at 10000 m, in situ temperature is 2.48 deg C, 
potential temperature is 1.16 deg. C (potential temperature is the 
temperature a parcel of water would have if moved adiabatically to the surface).
(data from Descriptive Physical Oceanography, Pickard & Emery)
|> 
|> Right. The pressure of the water doesn't do any "work" on it, and so
|> doesn't increase the temerature. Look at it this way; if you were to take
|> surface water DOWN, then you'd compress it (some miniscule amount, but
|> SOME), and that would heat it, marginally. But the high-pressure water is
|> ALREADY DOWN THERE, and so temperature effects are paramount. 
|> 
|> What that all bils down to is that the deep ocean water (below about 2000
|> meters or so) is at 4 degrees Centigrade. Anything warmer or cooler will
|> be less dense, and will rise. Oh; the salinity is a constant at those
|> depths; it has almost NO effect. 
again, salinity does have some effect, density is based on temp., salinity and
pressure.  sea water can be colder - down to -2 deg. C or so at the poles,
though at low latitudes, 2 deg C would be a better guess for really deep water.

jdh

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From: ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell)
Subject: request for experiments posting
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:09:02 GMT


Did anyone save the postings recently that had the science
experiments and demonstrations you could do for children?

I did, but the floppy I put the file on has failed me.  Could
someone please send me one?

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From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:16:15 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <1992Oct12.092946.21424@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin 
Fairbairns) writes:
> However, over the weekend I was struck by a further question in the
> "accented O" discussion.  I raised the issue of pronunciation of the
> American word micrometer (sic) meaning 1E-6 metre, and was told
> "micron".  All very well - but what about nanometres (1E-9 metre),
> commonly used (at least by laser physicists in my experience) to
> describe the wavelength of light.
> 
> Do you have a word "nanon" too?

No, but there's no conflict, because the nanometer is a device to measure 
Mork and Mindy episodes, and since that show's cancellation, there's no 
longer any ambiguity.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY (was Re: Phony SCIFI on TV and in Movies)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 01:24:13 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said
# 	As the one who started this whole thread, I must agree, it's about
# 	time we gave it up!

# 	Lets discuss phoniness in Monty Python and the Grail instead!!!

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!


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From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:24:56 GMT
Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis

In article <1992Oct12.092946.21424@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:
> Not being entirely sure how to write American-style phonetic
> spellings, I shan't attempt to follow the stuff about pronouncing
> `centimetre'.
>
> However, over the weekend I was struck by a further question in the
> "accented O" discussion.  I raised the issue of pronunciation of the
> American word micrometer (sic) meaning 1E-6 metre, and was told
> "micron".  All very well - but what about nanometres (1E-9 metre),
> commonly used (at least by laser physicists in my experience) to
> describe the wavelength of light.
>
> Do you have a word "nanon" too?

"Nanometer" works just fine.
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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Red mercury
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:35:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Keywords: mercury antimon oxide

An Hg Gag...  from Johnny Hart's cartoon, _B.C._ (1/25/90)

B.C. brings new invention to Peter's Patent Office (a snowed-in rock)

Inventor:  "I'VE INVENTED A THERMOMETER.  IT WORKS ON MERCURY!"

PO Clerk:  "HOW COME IT'S NOT REGISTERING ANYTHING?"

Inventor:  "THIS IS EARTH."



(...well, _I_ laughed...)

--mjj
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From: rspeirs@javelin.sim.es.com (Ron Speirs)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:05:36 GMT

In article <Bvw53L.n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell) writes:
>barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
>
>>No, kilometer (ki-LOM-uh-ter) is the only one that has an odd US
>>pronounciation.  The pronounciation of all the other metric terms
>seems
>>to be basically the same as in other English-speaking countries.
>
>But here's one I have wondered about for years now.  I have heard
>nurses refer to a centimeter as a "SONtimeter", when talking.  And
>the nurses I heard saying this probably didn't know each other, so
>I doubt they got it from each other.  I don't think I ever saw them
>try to spell it.  Has anyone else heard this?  Or better yet, does
>anyone know of a possible source for this way of saying it?  How
>do the French say it?-- 
>                 
Many years ago my wife and I were attending a pre-natal class and we
heard it pronounced SON-o-meter.  I asked the nurse teaching the class,
and she seemed surprised that I would ask.  She did not have a foreign
accent; that was the only unusual word.  And it was the ONLY time and
place that I have heard it pronounced that way.  Sorry, no ideas where
it could have originated.

Ron Speirs, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah


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From: hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting)
Subject: Re: Speed of gravity
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:30:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.224704.13026@ee.ryerson.ca>, elf@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes) writes:
 > ecc_jim@ecc.tased.edu.au writes:
 > [...]
 > >
 > >     [The following article is reprinted here by its author from the June
 > >issue of the Meta Research Bulletin.]
 > >     The question is often asked, "At what speed does the force of gravity
 > >propagate?"  To answer this question properly, one must  first define terms
 > >to insure that the question is well-formed.
 > 
 > [Meta-delete]
 > 
 > >     The best answer we can presently offer is that gravitational
 > >interactions occur without detectable delay.  Explanations offered  for that
 > >experimental fact are inevitably arguable.   Tom Van Flandern / Washington,
 > >DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
 > 
 > So let's say that the sun vanished, I don't mean go nova, (yes I'm
 > aware of conservation of matter & all that jazz) would the earth fly
 > of on a tangent first or would we see the sun wink-out first ?
 > 
As far as I know, the force of gravity moves at the speed of light.  So if
someone should manage to remove the sun, the earth would start moving in a 
straight line when we saw the sun disappear.

This get more complicated when looking at black holes and such, because strong
gravitational fields bends space and time.  

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From: court@newton.physics.mun.ca (J. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Red mercury
Keywords: mercury antimon oxide
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:03:49 GMT

This topic was kicked around endlessly about six months ago on sci.military
and sci.chem without definite solution.  Some chemical compounds
of mercury are red but are not so expensive nor radioactive.  The best
guess was that if there was such a material it was a concentrated
solution in mercury of a transuranic element; which would account for
the density, the cost, and the radioactivity.  As for the redness,
good question.

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Physics
Memorial Univ of Nfld

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From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:09:34 GMT


In article <1992Oct07.005020.10624@ozrout.uucp> grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell) writes:
>John T Jensen writes:
>>Likewise, everyone
>>uses km/h (rather, the barbarism 'kay' as in 'wow, man, he was going 140 kay
>>when he hit the power pole!') because the road signs are in km/h, the speed
>>limits likewise.
>
>Yes, but km/h doesn't have an obvious pronunciation, does it?
>
>I have friends who call this "klicks" - "I was going seventy
>klicks". Where does this usage come from? It seems a pretty
>sensible one to me.

US military slang.

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Diamonds in my floor wax
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:34:30 GMT

jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker) writes:
: 
: ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell) writes:
: ...
: > How many different ways are there to distinguish a real diamond
: > from a fake, acrylic or glass? -- 
: 
: While I never saw it or used it, my ex-wife (shortly after I
: gave her her engagement ring)(hmmm....) told me about a machine
: she saw at a jewelry store that had a panel that you just 
: touched the stone to and it would indicate Diamond/Not Diamond.
: I'm guessing it relied on the index of refraction.

Probably not - it most likely used heat conductivity.

Bill
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From: pjswan@engin.umich.edu (Peter Swanson)
Subject: Ether Bunny's Revenge
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:51:17 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

From the FAQ:
>F. Student is regularly nocturnally chloroformed by roommate, for sodomy.
>Tb.This may have actually happened in the Dutch army.  Those officers!

From the Michigan Daily, 10/7/92:

>MSU student charged with assault of fraternity brothers
>
>Four members of the Delta Upsilon fraternity at Michigan State University
>have brought charges against a former member for sexual assault.
>
>An MSU senior has allegedly assaulted seven fraternity members, but will
>only be charged with one second-degree, one third-degree, and two
>fourth-degree criminal criminal sexual conduct counts.
>
>[arraignment date, description of 1-4 degree assault deleted]
>
>The alleged incidents occurred over a one year period in the fraternity
>house on 427 MAC Ave. in East Lansing.
>
>The victims reported the suspect assaulted them while they were
>extremely intoxicated and unable to move, said Capt. Richard Huntley
>of the East Lansing Police Department.
>
>[rest of article deleted]

Well, it may not be regular, and it may not be chloroform, but otherwise
this guy seems to fit the description of the Ether Bunny.  If he's convicted,
let's change the "F" to a "T".

Also in the Daily, 10/7/92:

>(editorial page)
>
>Keep sexual-assault debate alive
>
>To the Daily:
>
>[stuff about rape awareness deleted]
>
>I heard a story about a man whose fraternity brothers came to him in the
>middle of their party and told him about a girl who they had gotten
>drunk and were "taking turns with" up in someone's room.  Though he
>felt a little uneasy about taking advantage of a girl who was
>intoxicated, he felt he was justified by the girls "slutty"
>behavior.  He followed his fraternity brothers upstairs.  He took his
>clothes off, and proceeded to have sex with her.  When he was finished,
>he turned the light on to get a good look at the girl's face.  It was
>his sister.
>
>(name withheld by me to protect writer's email account)
>LSA junior

Wow, does this sound like a classic UL or what?  It has:
	-Rape
	-Incest
	-Fraternity bashing (soon to be an exhibition event in the
		1996 olympics)
	-A suprise ending
	-A moral

Or, can someone actually document this?

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From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Speed of gravity
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct9.123055.4018@ugle.unit.no>, hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting) writes...
>As far as I know, the force of gravity moves at the speed of light.  So if
>someone should manage to remove the sun, the earth would start moving in a 
>straight line when we saw the sun disappear.

	Try this logic. assume a dumbell consisting of 2 large planets tied
	together wit a rod.

	At rest, the force of gravity from each mass points directly at the
	other mass.

	When moving, however, if gravity propegates at the speed of light,
	each mass appears slightly behind.

	mass 1  O-----------------------O  mass 2 actual position

					O mass 2 apparent position

	As a result, mass 1 feels a component of the gravitational attraction
	from mass 2 which tends to slow down mass 1. (And mass 2 feels an
	equivalent retarding force from mass1.)

	The integrals for a simple planet are more complex, but equivalent
	results occur. If gravity does not propegate instantaneously, the
	planets would continuously slow down. They don't.

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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Eel Skin Wallets
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:12:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.162319.25869@polari>, pacific@polari.online.com writes:
>
>    Help!  This one really troubles me.....  Do eel skin wallets
>really erase the magnetic properties of credit cards.  Is this real
>or a hoax?
>
>
I have no idea, but if it is a hoax, it is widespread. 
I was told this when issued a card with a magnetic strip to get
into my place of business.
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From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Re: Eel Skin Wallets
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:36:59 GMT

Many of the first eel-skin wallets had a magnetic clasp.
Made in Korea, most of them were, if memory serves.

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From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:34:53 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.160550.4165@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) writes:

>Does this imply that in America one would (if one ever used the word
>at all) say kiLOGramme?

No, kilometer (ki-LOM-uh-ter) is the only one that has an odd US
pronounciation.  The pronounciation of all the other metric terms seems
to be basically the same as in other English-speaking countries.

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:20:50 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <1992Oct7.151341.13444@javelin.sim.es.com>, gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold) writes:
>I first heard 'klicks' used as a reference to either kilometers or kilometers
>per hour by members of the U.S. Army in the 1960s.

That usage has been around in science fiction at least since the early '50s.
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