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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:01:14 -0700
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From:         Diane Grover <grover@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Summary holdings statements
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The University of Washington Libraries is in the beginning stages
of planning an Innovative implementation.  We will be implementing
all modules and migrating from Geac.

We have questions about summary holdings statements.
Currently, we have summary holdings statements in the bib record
in Geac, one for each location.  They exist for all serials,
current and ceased, as well as multi-volume sets.  Our
statements follow a locally-developed standard and do not show
bound volumes.  We also have completed barcoding and linking a
large portion of  the collection which is stored in item-level
records at the volume level (for some units close to 100%).

We would like to hear from libraries any advice they can share
on storing the summary holdings statements in the bib vs. the
check-in record "LIB HAS" fields.  We understand it is possible to choose
either  place or a combination.  Please let us know the pros and cons of
these choices.  We are also interested in your thoughts about
the US Marc Holdings Format and issues for converting from III
to US Marc.  Thank you.

You may reply directly to:
Diane Grover
University of Washington Libraries
(206) 543-4786
grover@u.washington.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:46:00 CDT
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From:         shelly <SHELLS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Student Assistant Manual
              13 Aug 1992 10:18:42 -0700 from <diablo@GARNET.BERKELEY.EDU>

We have a detailed Circ. manual and a student manual(sort of).  I'll be sending
 you the student material.  Hope it helps.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:06:01 EDT
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From:         Alan A Green <agreen@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Innopac Music Users Group list established

     It is my pleasure to announce the creation of a new discussion list
for the Innopac Music Users Group, IMUG-L.  At the meeting of the Innopac
Music Users Group at the 1992 MLA Convention, the members agreed that a
separate list (apart from MLA-L and INNOPAC) would be desirable.  All
librarians who work with music materials using Innovative Interfaces
products are invited to participate.
     To subscribe, send the following message to LISTSERV@OHSTVMA.BITNET

          subscribe imug-l Jane Doe

Obviously, substitute your name for "Jane Doe" in the above command.  Feel
free to send me a message if you have any problems with the list.

     Alan Green
     Ohio State University
     List Owner of IMUG-L
     Internet: green.200@osu.edu / Bitnet: green+@ohstmail.bitnet
     (614) 292-2319
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:16:56 -0400
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From:         "Wayne W. Santos" <wwsantos%COLBY.EDU@SDSC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: renewals
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If you do a "display more items" you can bring up more of the list, but
as far as I know you can only renew what is on the screen, and only up
to 300 records at one session.

See III manual v.3 (circulation), pages 45-46
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:11:41 CDT
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From:         shelly <SHELLS@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: renewals
              17 Aug 1992 17:04:01 GMT from <rgladst@TRITON.UNM.EDU>

We use the Display more items function to renew.  The staff also checks the scr
een to see how many books are checked out to see if they need to display more.
 It is just a matter of training the staff to be observant.  We have had a few
problems with not all items getting renewed.  But, we continue to try to provid
e quality service over the phone.  For example, if a patron lets us know that s
omething was not renewed because they received an overdue.  We usually can rene
w at that time or Alter the renewal date.  W
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From: rgladst@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: renewals
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:04:01 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na 

 We are an academic library which is about to begin using the circulation
 module of innopac.  The question for the net concerns a segment of the
 renewal function;  Can a patron's entire list of charged materials be
 renewed at one time, or must they be renewed one screen at a time?  The
 system does not identify a method for "renew all" and we are concerned
 about errors that might occur with interruptions at a busy circulation
 desk.  If you have experience with this process and can offer advice,
 please write and let us know.  Thanks.

 Russ Gladstone
 Circulation Supervisor
 Centennial Science and Engineering Library
 UNM General Library
 University of New Mexico
 Albuquerque, New Mexico
 rgladst@hal.unm.edu
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:41:43 EDT
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From:         Thomas E Klingler <r1tek@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject:      multiple 086 fields
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The University of Akron is preparing to install III as part of the
OhioLINK project.  In our current system, VTLS, we can place multiple
086 fields in a record.  By doing so, we can make the SUDOC class change
history effectively available on-screen.  The system indexes the first
occurrence of 086, and also uses the first 086 to place the correct
SUDOC in other places, e.g., the circulation "item" screen.

My question:  Does INNOPAC handle multiple 086's?  How?  Does it index
the first 086?  All 086's?  Does it index only the last?  Will INNOPAC
correctly load records that have multiple 086's?

Thanks for any advice.

Tom Klingler
The Univ of Akron
Akron, OH 44325-1709
216/972-6052
216/972-6383 fax
TOMKLINGLER@UAKRON.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:33:12 EDT
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From:         Anne Myers <LAWI2HN@BUACCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Downloading order records from RLIN

We will soon - finally! - have our fully integrated system, and want to
be able to download order records from RLIN.  As of now, we're still
searching things on RLIN, printing off the bib records, and then manually
keying into our VACQ.

I looked at the PAC Release 7 manual and found the description of how
to download orders from RLIN - it took one paragraph and essentially
gave me two choices.  Either I can download a bib and then update to
attach the actual order, or I can take ownership of the RLIN record and
create the order record as the bib is downloaded.  I understand the
differences, but I'm not at all sure which is the better idea for us.

Would those RLIN libraries who are downloading something from RLIN as
orders are created let me know which choice they made and why?  And
whether there are any problems that might not be obvious at first look.
I'll summarize responses and post to the group, if there's interest.

Thanks in advance for your help.


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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:02:00 GMT
Reply-To:     ghewson@cix.compulink.co.uk
From:         Graeme Hewson <ghewson@CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK>
Subject:      Stalls

After several weeks of tinkering with pipes, today I programmed my first
stall.  Actually, I'm quite pleased with myself, because it shows my
pipes have reached a certain level of complexity!

The need for a COPY stage (READTO/OUTPUT loop) is very common, of course.
Is there a case for having a built-in COPY stage?

I'd like to say thanks to the regular contributors to this list.  I've
learned a great deal by browsing through the archives -- and hope to
learn a great deal more!

     Graeme Hewson
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:43:40 EDT
From:         "patrice mcmahon" <MM983C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Serbian demonstrations
              13 Aug 1992 00:58:30 -0500 from <VMARENOVIC@MACALSTR.EDU>

how does one sign off? I tried sign off, is there a trick to it? please help.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:12:07 -0400
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      slobodnik

Cross=post from Slovak-L as I am not sure whether this was posted to
Mideur
==========================================================

From: HAMMERL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      Dusan Slobodnik
To: Multiple recipients of list SLOVAK-L <SLOVAK-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
Status: OR

A few weeks ago, I posted Skvorecky's article, "After the
Velvet Revolution," which had appeared on the New York Times
Op-Ed page.  Today I was very pleased to see a letter to the
editor responding to the article.  Here is the letter.

August 7, 1992 (pg. A18)

To the Editor:

        In "After the Velvet Revolution" (Op-Ed, July 20),
Josef Skvorecky distorts my past, which I described in
"Paragraph: Polar Circle," published in 1991 in Slovakia.
        Mr. Skvorecky speaks of my "sinister past," although
my single fault was that I spent about two weeks in March
1945 in the secret Slovak military school on the basis of a
letter of induction, not having "volunteered", as Mr.
Skvorecky says.  Where Mr. Skvorecky got the information
that I was in the SS is a problem for his conscience.  After
my expulsion from the training camp because I objected to
its character, without having committed anything, I returned
home.
        For the two weeks in the training camp, as confirmed
by documents I received from the Czechoslovak Embassy in
Moscow, I was sentenced by the Soviet military court in May
1945 to 15 years in the gulag.  I returned to Slovakia after
nine years and was later rehabilitated by the Supreme Court
of the Soviet Union (1960).
        I have never been a member of the Hlinka Guards (in
MAy 1944 I was a 17 year-old pupil in a high school in
Zvolen); allegations of K.G.B. membership are lies.  No
journalist ever affirmed it.  My nine years in the gulag
were years of hard work in the special gulag for "dangerous
political enemies."

                        Dusan Slobodnik
                        Minister of Culture, Slovak Republic
                        Bratislava, Czechoslovakia
                        Aug. 1, 1992

***********************************************************

I would like to add that it is very important for Slovaks to
write to the New York Times, because their coverage has been
anti-Slovak during the past year.  Several of us have
written letters to the Times to correct errors, but of
course, more people read the articles than the letters, and
the corrections are not always noted.

There was an anti-Meciar article in last week's Times.  I
had intended to post it over the weekend, but our computer
was down.  I may still try to do it before I leave town on
Wednesday.

Louise Hammer
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:22:50 -0500
From:         "Velibor M. Marenovic" <VMARENOVIC@MACALSTR.EDU>
Subject:      Intriging article...
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>
> 	LONDON (UPI) -- U.N. officials believe the mostly Muslim Slav
> defenders of Sarajevo staged a number of recent attacks that were blamed
> on Serbian forces, including the slaying of 16 people waiting in a
}i> breadline, to win sympathy and enhance the prospects for foreign
> intervention, a newspaper said Saturday.
> 	The Independent said the findings are outlined in a series of
> confidential reports drafted by the Sarajevo-based contingent of the U.
> N. Protection Force and now circulating in the U.N. headquarters in New
> York.
> 	The reports cover a spate of highly publicized attacks in Sarajevo
> between May 27 and Aug. 4, including the breadline killings, an
> explosion at a cemetary during a funeral and a ``choreographed'' mortar
> barrage during a visit by British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd.
> 	They suggested the ``self-inflicted'' attacks were staged by
> Sarajevo's defenders, who are dominated by Muslim Slavs but also include
> Croats and loyalist Serbs, to gain international sympathy and build
> support for foreign military intervention in the bitter Bosnian
> conflict, the Independent said.
> 	At the same time, it said, the reports emphasized the incidents were
> minor in number compared to the near-daily indiscriminate artillery
> barrages loosed against Sarajevo by Yugoslav army-armed Serbian forces
> fighting to divide the city into ethnic districts as part of their more
> than 4-month-old offensive to capture a self-declared state.
> 	The most spectacular attack was the May 27 bombing of the breadline
> in downtown Vasa Miskina Street that killed at least 16 people.
> 	The bombing was blamed on Serbs with mortars on a hill overlooking
> the city and came as the U.N. Security Council was considering imposing
> economic sanctions on communist-ruled Serbia and Montenegro for
> underwriting the Serbian offensive.
> 	The Independent said that according to classified UNPROFOR reports,
> the force commander, Indian Army Gen. Satish Nambiar, concluded that
> Sarajevo security forces detonated a bomb, a contention repeatedly made
> by Serbian leaders.
> 	``We believe it was a command-detonated explosion,'' a U.N. official
> was quoted as saying by the newspaper. ``The impact which is there now
> is not necessarily similar or anywhere near as large as we came to
> expect with a mortar round landing on a paved surface.''
> 	The Independent also said U.N. officials discounted Western news
> reports that Serbian snipers were probably responsible for the Aug. 13
> killing of David Kaplan, a producer with U.S.-based ABC News, and
> Thursday's death of a Ukrainian U.N. soldier shot at the Marshal Tito
> Barracks.
>
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:24:52 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      George Frajkor's reading of "de-industrialization" posting...
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              Aug 12, 92 3:58 pm

George Frajkor -- you really should improve you parsing skills.
PLEASE READ the messages carefully and *completely* - before adding
comments - peppery or othewise.

The ORIGINAL message was from Henry Kucera. I only added some playful
lines in response - which you have obviously overlooked.

I thought journalists were trained to catch details...You may just
need a refresher course in effective scanning, George...I only mention it
because it's far from the first or even second time -  and sometimes the
misreads are a *little* more serious.

Agnes
___________________________________________________________________________
> Agnes Kruchio writes:
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE: It should be "HENRY KUCERA writes:"
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > >I am puzzled by the repeated occurrence of the term "de-industrialization
 of
> > > Slovakia". The latest statement to this effect can be found on this list
> >  today.
> > >     The term entails, of course, that Slovakia was at one time
> > > industrialized and then the industry was destroyed or a similar calamity.
 I
> > > don't think that Slovakia was very industrialized while part of Hungary.
> > >So could somebody tell me when the industrialization of Slovakia took
> >place, who was responsible for it and who later de-industrialized it and
 when?
> >
>        There was long discussion lasting many days with many
> references to many books about a year ago on this list.  There is no
> point in repeating it but basically : yes, slovakia was
> deindustrialized; it was between 1918 and 1930, and as for who was
> responsible -- that depends on whether you are Slovak, Czech, Marxist,
> Liberal or what have you.  The marxists say it was because of rampant
> capitalism.  The Czechs say it was because Slovak industry could not
> compete without HUngarian subsididies and Hungarian markets. The
> Liberals say it was the fault of the Government for not managing the
> economy.  The Slovaks say it was the fault of the Czechs.
>   Slovak was the industrial area of Hungary just as Bohemia was the
> industrial area of Austria.  It was not as highly industrialized, but
> yes, it was industrialized.
>
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:38:31 -0400
From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: George Frajkor and "De-industrialization" posting
X-To:         MIDEUR-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu
              Aug 14, 92 4:05 pm

Whew...
> Agnes Kruchio writes:
> >
> > George Frajkor -
> >
> > George, George, you really ought to get a refresher course in
> > parsing...
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Agnes Kruchio writes:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > NOTE : THIS SHOULD BE "HENRY KUCERA writes:"
> >                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > >
> > > > >I am puzzled by the repeated occurrence of the term
 "de-industrialization
> >  of
> > > > > Slovakia". The latest statement to this effect can be found on this
 list
> > > >  today.
> > > > >
> > [... rest deleted]
>
>               Maybe I am presuming too much knowledge about network
> protocol.  If you notice the number of >>> in front of the quote you
> will see that I am replying to your reply to Henry.
>
> >  this is your message
>        this is my reply
>
> >> this is your message in reply to someone (let's say henry)
> >  this is henry's statement to which you are referring.
>       this is my reply
>
> >>> this is your comment about my reply to your answer to henry
> >>  etc.
>
>        I take it for granted that people on the net know this, but
> clearly it is not as obvious as I thought so I shall try to make it
> clearer.
>

Exactly, George. Just so long as the attributions are kept straight - and it
was NOT MY question about de-industrialization, but Henry's. It's a
perfectly good, fine question, only not MINE. You *quoted* Henry's text,
with *my* name above it, saying "Agnes writes." That is all - Again.
'Nuff said.
Agnes
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:22:18 -0500
From:         "Velibor M. Marenovic" <VMARENOVIC@MACALSTR.EDU>
Subject:      friends responce II
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> Dear Velibor,
>
> I am sorry to bother you again. But,it looks like that some people are taking
> their job too seriously. What do you think - why they are doing it? I'll try
> to show the other side of the coin - how they are doing it.  Would you please
> post the following.
>
> "Hm, I always feel feel a bit strange when talking with somebody who doesn't
> want to introduce himself. But anyway, let me answer the letter as readers on
> the net should get more clear picture as one represented in the original
> posting".
>
> Cheap trick. What are you interested in? In the person you are talking with,
> or in the arguments and facts that person is writing about?  If you happened
> to know a little bit more about democracy, you would know that it is my
> undenyable  right to remain anonymus. However, if you really felt that
> "strange" you could've either asked Velibor for my address or, perhaps,
> did  not bother to write to the whole network about your "strange" feelings.
> Moreover, Mr. Marenovic _did_ introduced me. So, you already know more about
> me, than I know about you (your name doesn't tell me anything..).
> Would you please refrain from these types of "arguments" further on.
>
> "... The Kosovo was liberated (from Serbian point of view) and awarded (from
> the Albanian point of view). The main problem here  is, as clearly said Mr.
> Djilas today on Night-line, ones victories are seen as defeats of others and
> vice versa..."
>
> And who cares from the Eskimos point of view. I don't remember that Kosovo
 ever
> was a part of Albania. But you are right, the defeat of Nazi Germany is still
> seen as the victory of Allies. What is not clear is your conviction about
 Alban
> ian point of view in the above matter. If you can prove that Albanians who
> lived in Kosovo had overthrown Turkish rule , and that then Serbs used dirty
> politics to impose their rule in Kosovo, I would accept your "point of view".
> But, isn't that a bit to much, even for you?
>
> "And,as Dr. Simic from Belgrade Institute for international politics and
> economy said in "Mladina weekly", Serbian politics was never rational and
> Slovenia, Croatia and whole West never realized that".
>
> I really don't understand the meaning of this. Do you? What Kosovo in the
> 1912 has to do with this. What Croatia and Slovenia have to do with this?
> Why you, as an expert on Slovenian matters, do not tell us how many Slovenes
> live in Austria and Slovenia. Are they treated well? What your government  is
> doing to improve their status overthere? Mirrors do not lie Mr. Andy. Be brave
> and admit to the American readers that Yugoslavia did much more for your

This is the end of message I received.

Velibor
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:04:48 EDT
From:         Henry Kucera <HENRY@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      De-industrialization

  I am puzzled by the repeated occurrence of the term "de-industrialization of
Slovakia". The latest statement to this effect can be found on this list today.
    The term entails, of course, that Slovakia was at one time
industrialized and then the industry was destroyed or a similar calamity. I
don't think that Slovakia was very industrialized while part of Hungary.
So could somebody tell me when the industrialization of Slovakia took
place, who was responsible for it and who later de-industrialized it and when?

 I am off to the mountains and the air will seem even fresher if I get the
usual enlightenment before I leave. Thanks, H.K.
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