HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Re: [misc.activism.progressive]  Clinton Office Requests Comments
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:58:51 GMT


In a previous article, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) says:

>In article <C03IE8.D9M@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:
>:A good awk or perl script should be able to select all the email messages on
>:whatever topic the congresscritter wants to accept input on at the moment.
>:The rest could go into the bit bucket unread by human eyes.  :-)
>
>If they were serious about lay e-access to congress, mail to the office
>of a congresscritter could be gatewayed into a local newsgroup, and read
>with a threaded newsreader that made it obvious what had and hadn't been
>answered.  Flunkeys could answer the mundane stuff and everyone would
>see that it had been answered.
>
>G 

And everyone would SEE what hadn't been answered :-)

That's the nice part of the above proposal.

Right now it's fruitless for commonfolk to write to Congress because the 
mail is basically ignored.

Even when they open a case, nothing is done.

It would seem that there needs to be a public monitoring of what goes
to a Congress person and what they do about it.

Also, it would seem helpful to have email access to the Congress people
themselves and to have them have to answer the email - as then there would
be some basis for them to decide what laws to support or even to propose.

Right now its the people with money and clout who get laws introduced
or supported, while commonfolk are left out of the whole process.

And the process is not working.

Also, if there were discussion via usenet of the bills that were needed
or the bills that were being introduced, there would be a basis to 
sort out the strengths, weakenesses, etc. of the bills, versus the
current situation where the public has no knowledge of most or all
of what goes on.

If anyone has any suggestions about how to get email access to Congress,
that would be helpful.


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From: listen@pwrsys80.asd.sgi.com (Super-User)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,misc.misc,alt.kids-talk,soc.culture.misc,de.talk.misc
Subject: Re: Happy New Net Year Everyone! : -)
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:29:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Un Internacional Feliz ano Nuevo a todo el mundo

Francisco Miranda
From: urkastig@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert Kastigar)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: Movie "Hoffa" projectionists rally
Keywords: union, labor, lockout
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:45:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBEW Local 1220


Labor union supporters from many unions held a successful rally on
Tuesday, 22 January in support of LOCKED OUT projectionists,
members of IATSE Local 110.  Several hundred supports showed up at
the opening screening of the file "HOFFA" - a man closely
identified with organized labor.

The Chicago Theater chain of Cineplex-Odeon, owned and operated by
a Canadian/Japanese company, locked out it's employees after they
refused to accept an 85% pay cut.  

A very peaceful, but determined, crown marched around the crowded
sidewalks in the from of McClurg Court Theater, and spilled over
into the streets and across the street.  IBEW Local 134 had a large
inflatable rat, and a high-power slide projector was used to
provide warning of the unsafe conditions that might results in a
crowded theater because of untrained and inexperienced operators
for technical equipment.  

Picket signs were in abundance, as well as caps, whistle, and a
song sheet of several popular tunes, with new words added.  The
crowd joined in the singing, and the event turned into a
'happening.'  You really had to be there, or you missed something.

There were rank-and-file members, as well as officers from most
Chicago unions.  The rally was scheduled to begin at 6:00 PM, but
actually started much earlier as many arrived early for this event.


Naturally, IBEW Local 1220 had a fine representative group present.
From: cg787@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
Subject: SOMOLIA=LET THEM STARVE.?
Date: 24 Dec 1992 23:46:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


HELLO
    After reading some of the posts here on Somolia,I have to 
    agree with Ronda and Jay.I am in full accord with them.

    I once heard a religious man state that when there is a 
    shortage of food in the world,God in his infinite wisdom
    makes wars, & by eliminating people on earth,there is more
    food for the people who are left.What kind of war can we
    have with out guns.? I like you feel we should be sending
    guns to the war lords who are killing the people.NOT FOOD.!
    By so doing we save the food & eliminate the starving people
    who are creating problems in the world.WHAT RIGHT DO THEY
    HAVE TO EAT.
                 WARMEST REGARDS JACK ROSENBERG
    cg787@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:24:47 GMT

While I would like to be able to e-mail messages to my congressperson,
I don't think it really opens up access all that much.  What percentage
of the population actually have e-mail access?  The only thing e-mail
will do is open access to the priviledged few who knowhow to work with
computers and have access to e-mail. And, as others have pointed out,
it's just as easy to ignore e-mail as regular mail.

If we want to really open up access to Congress, we are going to have
to do something really different.  One idea I push is increasing the
number of representatives.  Why is the magic number 435?  Most Western
democracies have many more representatives.

With more representatives, each person's voice will count for more.  I
favor doubling or tripling the number of US representatives. 
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.misc
From: maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller)
Subject: Re: What is Object Oriented Programming? Is C doomed?
Organization: MAXTAL P/L C/- University Computing Centre, Sydney
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:59:42 GMT

In article <id.IDYV.8C9@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.194300.25301@ucc.su.OZ.AU> maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller) writes:
>
>> 	I agree, but many programming tasks dont require that
>> much design. There's often just a whole lot of tedious coding to
>> do.
>
>Examples? When I have a lot of tedious coding, I generally write a
>program to write the program for me.

	Oh, I've done lots of tedious file maintenance.
20 files, each with 20 fields gives 400 fields to input,
output, print and check.

	Even with the best tools, say a DBMS, you still
have to type in the field names, lengths, valididty
conditions etc. After you'vr done this sort of thing 20
times before, there is no design to do, you know how to
do it, you just have to get stuck into it and do it.

	Incidentally, you mentioned if you have
lots of coding to do you write a program to write the program.
This is a great idea, but one want to avoid too much
time spent on the program the customer isnt paying for.
In the long run its only worth it if the program is general
enough. For example, its controlled by some language.
For example C++ .. and excellent choice since I already
*have* that program :-)

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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: What is Object Oriented Programming? Is C doomed?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:33:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.035257.22889@ucc.su.OZ.AU> maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller) writes:
> 	As to how I got stuck in this situation: amoung the
> reasons might be that the market in Australia in small enough
> and the number of programmers large enough that there is
> never enough work similar enough to do what you describe.

My sympathies. That's why I'm living in the U.S. I get *awfully* homesick
at times, though, and if my wife (who's a U.S. citizen) was interested I'd
probably be back there now. At least, I think so... but I keep remembering
that the entire country has an economy about the same size as that of Houston,
with over four times the population.

It's that old standard-of-living versus quality-of-life thing.

Maybe you could subcontract the data entry part to folks in the ex- Soviet
Union?
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From: maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller)
Subject: Re: What is Object Oriented Programming? Is C doomed?
Organization: MAXTAL P/L C/- University Computing Centre, Sydney
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.224654.25483@netcom.com> erc@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.194156.17196@ucc.su.OZ.AU> maxtal@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (John MAX Skaller) writes:
>>>But if you need bidirectional random access, you have to allocate the
>>>entire maximum size in advance.
>>
>>	There are NO 'you have to .. ' cases surely, even if
>>I give some myself now and then :-) And allocating fixed maximums
>>is one of the things we want to avoid completely except in truly
>>extreme cases.
>
>As proof that you have to allocate the maximum size in advance, the time
>it takes to change the allocation and access one element is more than the
>time it takes to access one element without changing the allocation.  The
>originally stated requirement for it to be considered random access was
>that any element could be accessed as fast as any other.  Therefore it is
>not random access by that definition in that case.  QED.

	You proof depends on the statment that the time taken
to access one element is less than the time taken to reallocate
and access one element. This need not be so. Whats to stop
me counting off exactly one second on all operations,
then your original requirement of equal access time would
be satisfied and your proof invalid.

	This sort of analysis is usually done using
dependencies on the sizes, for example the time
taken to scan a linked list is O(n) for n elements,
and no amout of delaying will fix this.

	So what you should have said was that
if you want constant, i.e. O(1) access you have to
preallocate the array, because reallocation is O(n).
This proves nothing, however: you have to show
indexed access to contiguous storage is the only
O(1) access method.

	Suppose I use a linked list with a preallocated cache.
It provides O(1) access and only wastes a fraction of the space
of a completely preallocated array (unless the whole array is used
up, in which case it wastes a bit more). It is somewhat slower,
of course, and that preallocated cache *is* an array of course :-)

	In practice, more advanced techniques can yield only
slightly slower performance than the array that are close
enough to being constant time over the usable memory of your
computer, without the huge overhead incurred by preallocting
all memory to one array.

	And if you want to insert into the middle of the array,
the cached linked list starts to look like a pretty good alternative.
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Becoming aware, was Re: A Paper..Social Forces..
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 22:31:35 EST
Organization: UMCC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

[ Article crossposted from alt.culture.usenet ]
[ Author was Jim Mccoy ]
[ Posted on Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:43:15 GMT ]

In article <1992Dec15.202927.10752@telebit.com> bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork) writes:
>[regarding usenet as info source]
>
>I eagerly await the day when yellow rags like [deleted] simply
>fold since no one bothers to pay attention to their mis- or
>non-reporting 'cause we can get our information elsewhere.

Don't hold your breath waiting.  While the Usenet represents a useful tool
for discovering truth and information regarding what happens, it has not
got a real chance to replace the current information structure.  Usenet's
greatest strength (many voices and viewpoints) is it's greatest weakness
(too much noise, too many voices, lack of authentication by an institution
we have been tuaght to trust.)  The existing information distribution
structure (TV news, newspapers, etc) has the advantage of presenting
focused (single point-of-view) bit of information in packages small enough
for people to easily understand and presented in a format which they have
been taught to trust.  It will not be easy to overcome this societal
prejudice towards single-source information providers.  

The popularity of new TV programs in the US that use viewer provided video
footage seems to indicate to me that American society (sorry, can't speak
for the rest of the world :) is moving in the direction of multiple source
information providers, but even these programs are edited and presented by
the existing "information structure" in a format that is designed to
provide the "authenticity" that the public needs.  It seems to me that the
hosts of these program must spend considerable effort to send out the
message: "No, we are not making this up.  This is real."  [And on the other
hand you have William Shatner and the Rescue 911 clones trying to present
"dramatizations" as truth, go figure...]

-jim



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From: tonyl@vcd.hp.com (Tony Long)
Subject: Re: What is Object Oriented Programming? Is C doomed?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:42:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jay Robert Hauben (bm665@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
:      I went to a lecture the other day on object oriented 
: programming. The lecture was incomprehensible. The lecturer made 
: it sound like languages like C were no longer capable of handling 
: current programming needs and that a language like C++ would soon 
: be standard. It sounded like an "imminent doom" scenario like 
: those often heard about BASIC and about Usenet itself.
:  
:      Can anyone explain to me if the catagory of "object 
: oriented" programming (OOP?) is an important one and if there is 
: a difference between "object oriented" programming and "procedure 
: oriented" programming what the significance of this difference 
: is?
:  
:      Thanks.
: 
	Object-oriented programming is not a new concept; in fact the
idea of "classes" as we see in C++, etc., has been around since the
beginnings of modern programming (actually the late 1800's).
	OOP structures are merely an attempt to fully implement the
idea of an "abstract data structure" in which data elements, the operations
that are allowed upon them, and the principles governing those operations
are combined in one structure.
	Classic C has no "template" for an abstract structure--the 'C'
structures can only contain the data elements themselves and have no direct
relationship to functions which operate upon them. That being said, anyone
who has programmed extensively in a procedure-oriented language knows the
necessity of modular programming--lumping related functions and data
together and ideally constructing them to stand alone so that they can be
called upon by other programs/functions to do a complex task.
	OOP simply takes this a step further by creating a template for
data and functions to be linked together and used as a whole. Various
implementations have various imbellishments adding power, sophistication,
and confusion, but still the concept is simple and fundamental, and IMHO,
OOP will come into its' own in one form or another.
	You can do anything in procedure-oriented programming that you
can in OOP, but the templates provided by OOP languages make complex 
operations at least able to fit in defined structures.

			All the above, of course, teters on the 
			brink of inanity,

			---Tony Long---

Xref: sparky alt.manga:2318 rec.arts.manga:1949
From: z_beddoerj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.manga,rec.arts.manga
Subject: GS Mikami and Silant Mobius
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:20:23 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Greetings all,

Well, well.  After being sorta off the net for a while, I've been discovering
"life after Ranma." :)  Guess what?  There is still planty to see and like. :)
(of course I knew better, and Ranma wasn't all I was in to...)  Anyways, there
are several manga that have caught my eye lately, but haven't been able to
keep up with, mainly due to not seeing Houston (where the Japanese bookstore
I frequent is) in several months.  *sigh*  Anyways...

One of them is Ghost Sweeper Mikami.  I liked this character so much that I 
made up a little GURPS charater based on her.  Neat story, and neat characters.
I like the artwork....its different.  So tell me....what's been going on with
GS Mikami lately?  Anything major?

Also, something on the ol' mind is Silent Mobius.  (or should it be Maebuis,
really?)  I know, I know, I've been keeping up with the (torturously slow,
ain't they?)  Viz adaptions, and sure, they're great, but I would like some
current information on SM.  Like, I heard that Rally Cheyenne buys the farm,
and her (half?) sister, Mana, takes her place.  Is this true?  I would really
like to know!

Any and all information would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!

Ja ne,
"Crusher" Joe.

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  |      Academic Support Guy, SFASU * Partner, Datamagic Computers       |
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  | Hey!!  Mail me!  Pick one!! |          *  September 25, 1992  *       |
  | z_beddoerj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu |"...all Good Things must come to an End."|
  |  crusher@ccsnext.sfasu.edu  | I invite all Ranma fans to join me on   | 
  |  crusher@calvin.sfasu.edu   | this day in mourning in memoriam of the |
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From: z_beddoerj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.manga,rec.arts.manga
Subject: sorry 'bout the typo...*sigh*
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:22:37 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Don't you just hate it when you commit a typo right on the subject line? :)
Must have something to do with the 3:30am post-time.  

Ja ne,
"Crusher" Joe. 

Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,talk.bizarre
From: Blair.Haworth@launchpad.unc.edu (Blair Haworth)
Subject: Re: Lookism
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:39:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.182938.28267@pixar.com> good@pixar.com (Your weapons are useless against us.) writes:
>
>On the other hand,
>really ugly people aren't given much slack either, unless they're prominent
>feminists.

Not at all.  Andrea Dworkin is regularly referred to as fat, overall-clad,
and covered with warts.  Like Junior Samples.

Junior's sexier, though, and his politics are better thought out.  Is he
dead yet?
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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: How to use posted GIFs
From: aed005@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:34:34 -0500
Organization: Marshall University

To:RJZ@martian.UUCP
Re:How to use the GIF you posted

I saw the GIF you posted in this subject, and would be interested in having it.  
I am new to the newsgroups, so I do not know what I need to do in order to
create the file.  I.E. Online commands, decoding programs, etc.



                                      Ted
From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Claudia Schiffer Gifs (sorry) here is right path
Date: 1 Jan 1993 10:44:17 +0200
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi

In article <C056oD.6Cq@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
lnklam@napier.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
>
>	Before everyone starting to ftp nic.funet.fi for the gif files,
>don't forget this site is in Finland. From what I read in their readme
>file "README.USA.CA.AU.ETC", they really prefer us not to ftp gif/jpeg
>files across the Atlantic. Think about it before you start to ftp the
>files. (Maybe there's a site in North America containing the same gifs
>for Claudia?)

It could be better if somebody put those images to US site.
I tried wuarchive.wustl.edu, but couldn't upload anything.
("Disk space full?" wondered the ftptool.)

Juhana Kouhia
From: schin@acs.bu.edu (neil schier)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: The guy with all the phone numbers on CD-ROM please contact
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:07:45 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: schin@acs.bu.edu

Hello

Could the person who did a search in the telephone directory on CD-ROM
for Cindy Crawford, Elle MacPherson etc. Kindly contact me, I am having
a pretty miserable time trying to find someone. They have a very distinct
name

Regards

Neil Schier
From: cf542@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Julio Richard Laredo)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Almost don't recognize the divine
Date: 4 Jan 1993 04:36:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Miss Taylor on the cover of Cosmo.

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels,talk.bizarre
From: larryh@fawlty.lmc.com (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: Lookism
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation  Beaverton, OR
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:57:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.233943.7918@samba.oit.unc.edu> Blair.Haworth@launchpad.unc.edu (Blair Haworth) writes:
>
>Not at all.  Andrea Dworkin is regularly referred to as fat, overall-clad,
>and covered with warts.  Like Junior Samples.
>
>Junior's sexier, though, and his politics are better thought out.  Is he
>dead yet?

    Yup.  And buried.  In his bib overalls.

    Another man done gone.

    - Larry Huntley

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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: adavis@mcl.bdm.com (Arthur Davis)
Subject: Re: Claudia Schiffer Gifs (sorry) here is right path
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 04:08:45 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.

The Claudia Schiffer GIFs posted here have been placed for anonymous
ftp access at erratic.bradley.edu.  If I remember properly, the
directory path is graphics/gif/Claudia_Schiffer.  They also have an
extensive collection for Cindy Crawford, Paulina Porizkova, and quite
a few others in a directory called Other_Woman.