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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:23:09 +0100
From:         sukhodol@MARCEL.CORIA.FR
Subject:      Novelty in bio/env investigation

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I have developed portable PC-connected laser spectrometer for
investigation of sizes and/or velocity of microorganisms or cells.
I wander if someone is interested in using such kind of instrument.
Any questions address direct me <sukhodol@marcel.coria.fr>.

Thanks for attention,
Anatoly Sukhodolsky
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:35:00 EST
From:         Bob Beason <BEASON@GENESEO.BITNET>
Subject:      Territories

One of the most workable (at least for students) solutions that I have seen
for the problem of territory semantics is a three level hierarchy.  The
"home range" is the area used by the animal throughout its life or for the
period of time in question (season).  Within the home range is the defended
"territory".  Defense is not meant to imply exclusiveness, only that aggression
(of any type) is used by the territory holder.  In most species the intensity
of defense (number of intruders repelled, intensity of aggression, etc.) varies
inversely with distanct from the center (or some critical resource such as a
nest or den) or the territory.  Within the territory is an "exclusive area"
the is inviolate by non family/clan/pack/flock members.  One problem in using
the term exclusive area is that over several season, it may change in size as
population pressures or resource availability change.

Bob Beason
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Subject:      subscribers list

I'm trying to get the ETHOLOGY subscribers list. I think I need
some help. I'm following the pattern received from LISTSERV, but
the command SEND REV ETHOLOGY hasn't been accepted. Does anybody
have the list, or could anybody tell me the right procedure to get
it?

Thanks,

Anise Ferreira -USP

S.P., Brasil

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:19:04 -0500
From:         Martha_Dunham@POSTOFFICE.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: aggression & territories
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> The problem with the
>"T" word, is that it is so colloquially familiar.

Yes, and there are territories in the brain, too...  Perhaps "defended
range" would be less confusing?  Part of the problem seems to be that the
behaviors are not so simple and clear-cut that categories can easily be
imposed on them.  Does it matter whether areas are defended for resources
or for breeding, for example?  Does it matter if breeding areas are
defended actively or passively?  etc, etc.

I definitely agree that this is a topic that needs discussion.  I actually
had someone tell me at a meeting "But we already know everything about
territories - why are you wasting your time studying them?"  Yet we can't
even agree on what a territory IS...
_________________
Martha Dunham

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:43:57 EST
From:         Michael Tlusty <MFTLUSTY@SUVM.BITNET>

Martha Dunham writes:
Does it matter whether areas are defended for resources
or for breeding, for example?  Does it matter if breeding areas are
defended actively or passively?

That depends on the question.  In terms of spatial distribution
of individuals, I would say no.  In terms of the probability
of being injured in an encounter, I would say yes.
One difficulty we are encountering is that it is difficult
to defene a term which may not be equal in all situations.  I can
only stress that, as Martha also stated a week ago, we need to
define the area we are working in and itemize all behaviors we
observe.  Only by being as precise as possible can we avoid confusion
over global terms such as territory.

I do not think that adding new terms (defended range) is an
immediate and total solution.  One problem with defended range
(as well as territory) is that (at least to me) it implies all or
none defense of an area.  Graphed, it appears to be a threshold
in behaviors associated with defense at a certain distance from the
center of the defended area.

         |  x x x x x x x x x
   prob. |                    x
   that  |                    x
   intruder                   x
    is   |                    x
  chased |                    x
         |                    x
         |_____________________x_x_x_x_x__
           distance from center of defended area

However, behaviors such as chasing an intruder have a decreasing
probability of occurring with an increasing distance from
the center of the defended area.
              |
   prob.      | x x x x x
    of        |            x
  chasing     |               x
 intruder     |                  x
              |                     x
              |                        x
              |                           x
              |                              x
              |________________________________x_x_x_x_______
                distance from center of defended area

This has been referred to as a dominion (Brown 1975).
How do we account for probabalistic behavior rather
than threshold behavior with these definitions?
I still maintain by generalizing, we are seeing the
trees, but not the forest.
Michael Tlusty                         <MFTLUSTY@SUVM>
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:05:56 -0700
From:         IMP@ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Burrow Count Population Estimates (fwd)

Thx for the info on Spain....and I take back my generous words about
Frank.  GRRR is right...can't these guys grow up???   Their macho
approach to the elements makes me sick.  David would criticize every
move I made in bad weather, which eroded any little confidence I had.
Don had this crazy notion that a careful driver could do anything...
will never forget a drive along a earthenware dike in a rainstorm...
or the time I had to beg him to quit banding in a marsh with metal
mist net poles when a thunderstorm was almost upon us!!!!  BLEH.
        Oh well...the major point was that you made it home safely
and that Melissa had someone there for her.  Bet Frank thought that
you stayed over for dinner simply because he was already home.. .
        Take care...looking forward to your visit!  Can't promise
sun..we've had a number of downpour days lately...but do promise
temps above freezing!!!   Love, Irene
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:43:04 PST
From:         "Donald R. Powers" <dpowers@FOXMAIL.GFC.EDU>
Subject: Re: aggression & territories

I think it is more correct to say that we are beginning to learn how much
we DON'T know about territories.  For example, it is becoming more
apparent that at least some animals defend areas, especially breeding
areas, at an energy deficit!  (At least to the extent that we humans are
capable of assessing territorial energetics).  This goes against all the
dogma I've been taught.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:18:34 CST
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Side thought on Salvation=Forgiveness

If salvation exactly equals forgiveness,
does "I and the Father are One" mean that Jesus is His own Father?
I think not.
There still seems to be a big difference that does the Gospel
a grave injustice to ignore, IMO.

Lonnie Schubert
PS  Does anyone besides me actually believe  that the scriptures
are alive and powerfull (Heb 4:12), and that any given passage always
has more than one real and true meaning?
i.e., "The joy of the Lord is your strength."  (Neh 8:10)
Obvious meaning, God has joy and gives it to us, and we are strengthened.
Just as obvious meaning, God gets joy and great pleasure when we stand
in His strength and are strong to do His will in the power of His might.
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From:         Andre Schmidt <aschmidt@NZLS02.NZL.ABK.NEC.CO.JP>

TELL LISTSERV AT ASUACAD SET CHRISTIA NOMAIL
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:49:42 EST
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Abusive relationships

Isnt that just a shocking inditement on the church and the way that people
perceive it.... No wonder people think that the church is absolutely a waste
of time in the world today..

The church needs to be here as the healing arm of Jesus, reached out with
all of Gods love.... Would we be embarrased to tell our problems to Jesus??
to share them with HIM??? If not, then why are we with the church????
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Yes, it is shocking.  I know that Jesus will love me no matter
what, He already knows my problems.  However, if other Christians
find out, they may not act very Christian towards me.  It goes
along with the 'would we accept Jesus if He came to our church
today' thoughts.  All of us have problems, all of us sin, all of
us need the Lord.  And the support of Christian friends.

My son's girlfriend became pregnant.  I'm embarrassed.  One thing
I've always been proud of is my parenting.  Somehow, I feel I've
failed.  I would rather it not be broadcast to my church.  But
the friends I have there are still my friends...they keep my son
and his family in their prayers.  I need them.  I hope I'm as
accepting as they have been.  God used my pride to show where I
wasn't depending on Him and giving Him the credit.

Sometimes I do not like some of the things my church does...or,
rather what some people in the church do.  I don't think it goes along
with God's will.  But my relationship with my Lord is a personal
one, it doesn't depend on my church.  I'm thankful for the Christian
friends I have there, the Bible-based ministry and the outreach.

Churches fail, they depend on humans who sin.  But God is
faithful.  We need to depend on Him.  And He will use even our
failings to do His work.

We need the support of our church and our Christian friends the
most when we feel like we have failed God.  Dear Lord, help us
to remember this when You are at our door disguised as one who
needs love and care by those of us who belong to your Kingdom.

Carol Nemec
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:02:22 EST
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Side thought on Salvation=Forgiveness

On 12/14/92 at 15:18:34 Lonnie Schubert said:
>If salvation exactly equals forgiveness,
>does "I and the Father are One" mean that Jesus is His own Father?
>I think not.
>There still seems to be a big difference that does the Gospel
>a grave injustice to ignore, IMO.

Jesus spoke of the Father as a  greater power but also being in him.
In the flesh, Jesus spoke of God the Father as a higher power.  He only
had what the Father gave him.    So at least, while in the flesh, before
ascending to heaven with God the Father, it seems that Christ was a
lesser person of God..  Jesus said, "Do not call me good.  Only God is
good."   An orange divided  into 3 unequal parts  still remains an
orange.  It is together, one whole  orange.  The Trinity,(my God) is a
powerful force and nothing could break the power of it's whole, not even
death.  I feel so inept.        I  cannot begin to describe the power of
and wonder of God.

>Lonnie Schubert
>PS  Does anyone besides me actually believe  that the scriptures
>are alive and powerfull (Heb 4:12), and that any given passage always
>has more than one real and true meaning?

Well, my friend, ---- not ANY given passage, but many given passages!

and they make me feel alive too.  and they give me hope.  and they give
me the answer to my needs and they make me feel as if God is  in them
and talking to me through  them.

>i.e., "The joy of the Lord is your strength."  (Neh 8:10)
>Obvious meaning, God has joy and gives it to us, and we are strengthened.
>Just as obvious meaning, God gets joy and great pleasure when we stand
>in His strength and are strong to do His will in the power of His might.

Doesn't sound to me as if you have any problem with your salvation.
You give witness to Christ and he will give witness to you  before the
Father.  God bless you Lonnie.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:58:31 -0600
From:         MARCHIBOLD@MSCD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Two questions

Claude -

A distinction really needs to be made between life style and identity.
My friends who are gay and lesbian are not so by choice.  Many of them
would prefer to be heterosexual - but they are not.  Some are Christians
and are living celibate lives.  It would, they feel, be a lie to marry,
but they do not believe in sex outside of marriage and so they are
"stuck".  One has, from all appearances, come to peaceful terms with
himself and has moved on in his life finding great fullfilment in
exercising many gifts and living a celibate life.  By the way, he works
in a field where he does a great deal of work with youth and in
counseling and, yes, his boss knows he's gay.

BEING a homosexual is not a sin.  That's like saying that brown hair
is sinful.  Christian morality teaches that sex outside of a commited
monogamous, heterosexual relationship is sin. Any other kind of sin
I mean any other kind of sex, be it heterosexual or homosexual is sin.

PLEASE EVERYONE distinguish between identity - which isn't something
someone chooses - and life style which is and which is not a necessary
outgrowth of the identity.

In Jesus Love
Molly Archibold
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From:         jesse carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Eternal Security: supporting your argument

Bernice ;

the 'those' given to Christ by the Father are the same ones that Jesus refers
to in verse 65 of John 6, where He states that 'no one can come to me unless
the Father has ENABLED them.'
it is the same 'those' referred to in john 17 when Christ states 'that He
might give eternal life to all those you have given him.'

It is the same 'those' as those mentioned in Ephesians 1 where Paul says of
them that they 'were also chosen, having been PREDESTINED according to the
plan of him ...'

Dr. Luke also speaks of 'those'   "who honored the Word of the Lord ; and all
who were APPOINTED for eternal life BELIEVED."

Christ speaks again of 'these' in John 10 when He says that he gives His life
"... for the sheep."  Christ further delineates just who these sheep are when
He states to the Pharisees that "the reason you do not believe is because you
are NOT my sheep."

* (NOTICE : that Jesus did not say, "The reason you are not my sheep is
because you do not believe."  Christ said, rather, that "the reason you do
not believe is because you are not my sheep.")

A person has to be given to Christ from the Father before they can be a sheep.
If that has not been done before the foundation of the World, then a person
will not nor ever be a sheep.  Such is God's perogative.  He owns us body and
soul.  He is such a God with whom we must deal.

Did I answer your question, Bernice?



Jesse Carnes
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From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Christmas Sharing

Just a quick observation. I throughly enjoy hearing from brothers and sisters
from different countries. I believe it enrichens us!
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:52:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      WHAT IF THEY LEAVE?

Scott, good questions.  I don't much care what "Calvinism" would say about
those people because Calvinism is not a person, nor even a group of people.
 However, here's what I say:

The only person in the universe who knows all of the elect is the Ancient
of Days.  He alone has  determined this.  He alone knows the hearts and He
alone makes the decisions.  What of a person who, to all appearances is a
fine Christian who forsakes God and becomes a whateveritis?  Only God
knows.  If they are elect, they will be in heaven, probably much to your
and myu surprise, if not, they are of the "Lord, Lord" crowd.

I am delighted and eternally thankful that those decisions are not in the
hands of men.  I believe that the Spirit speaks to the heart of the elect,
after they have undergone the new birth, and they come to k now that they
are, indeed, elect.  This is strongly suggested in Romans 8.

You know, it is interesting.  Martin Luther was always unsure of his
election.  He k new it intellectually, but his emotions never cooperated.
This may well be common.  If a person loves God and loves the brethren, (1
John 4), I believe they may be assured in their hearts they are His elect.
I don't much care what the externals are at all, and I don't much care what
others who believe in "Calvinism" believe, either.  I must believe as I do,
no -ism can dictate these things.

Will the elect all look the same, speak the same, believe the same,
experience the same?  No, I am certin they will and do not.  It is quite
true that there are many who profess Christianity who are not converted.
It is just as true that there many who, outwardly, seem to be reprobate who
are God's and will be in the Kingdom.  We must never judge anyone's final
outcome, it is none of our business.

Thankful for free and sovereign grace,
Dan Graham
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:33:33 MST
From:         Madge McBurney <ISPMOM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: INTEREST GROUP

Forwarded note from bit.listserv.christia.   --Madge
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:41:10 GMT

In article <9212161847.AA20504@acc.wuacc.edu> jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
writes:

> Does anyone out there know how many of us are currently subscribing to
> CHRISTIA?

No. Or rather, yes, but that's not enough information, because there are
people (like me) who read and reply to CHRISTIA via its Usenet gateway
rather than by subscribing to the list as such.

--
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]


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Subject:      Answers to "DECIPHER THE CANTICLES...SEASON"

Carol, I really enjoyed your "white elephant" story!!   --Madge
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 1.  Oh, Member of the Round Table with Missing Areas.
     * Oh, Holy Night *

 2.  Boulder of the Tinkling Metal Spheres.
     * Jingle Bell Rock *

 3.  Vehicular Homicide was Committed on Dad's Mom by a Precipitous Darling.
     * Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer *

 4.  Wanted in December:  Top Forward Incisors.
     * All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth *

 5.  The Apartment of Two Psychiatrists.
     * The Nutcracker Suite *

 6.  The Lad is a Diminutive Percussionist.
     * The Little Drummer Boy *

 7.  Sir Lancelot with Laryngitis.
     * Silent Night *

 8.  Decorate the Hallways.
     * Deck The Halls *

 9.  Cup-shaped Instruments Fashioned of a Whitish Metallic Element.
     * Silver Bells *

10.  Oh Small Israeli Urban Center.
     * Oh Little Town of Bethlehem *

11.  Far Off in a Haybin.
     * Away in a Manger *

12.  We Are Kong, Lear and Nat Cole.
     * We Three Kings *

13.  Duodecimal Enumeration of the Passage of the Yuletide Season.
     * The Twelve Days of Christmas *

14.  Leave the Broadcast from an Elevation.
     * Go Tell It On The Mountain *

15.  Our Fervent Hope is that you Thoroughly Enjoy your Yuletide Season.
     * We Wish You a Merry Christmas *

16.  Listen, the Winged Heavenly Messengers are Proclaiming Tunefully.
     * Hark, The Herald Angels Sing *

17.  As the Guardians of the Wooly Animals Protected their Charges in the
     Dark Hours.
     * While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks By Night *

18.  I Beheld a Trio of Nautical Vessels Moving in this Direction.
     * I Saw Three Ships Come Sailing *

19.  Jubilation to the Entire Terrestrial Globe.
     * Joy to the World *

20.  Do You Perceive the Same Vibrations which Stimulate my Auditory Sense
     Organs?
     * Do You Hear What I Hear? *

21.  A Joyful Song of Reverence Relative to Hollow Metallic Vessels which
     Vibrate and Bring Forth a Ringing Sound when struck.
     * I Heard The Bells on Christmas Day *

22.  Parent was Observed Osculating a Red-coated Unshaven Teamster.
     * I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus *

23.  May the Deity Bestow an Absence of Fatigue to Mild Male Humans.
     * God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen *

24.  An Event which Arrived on a Cloudless Witching Hour.
     * It Came Upon the Midnight Clear *

25.  Uncouth Dolph is Aware of the Nature of Precipitation Darling.
     * Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer *
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