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From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1952/1953 World Series
Keywords: baseball, world series
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:23:44 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company (Shelton, CT)

|1952:  NY Yankees over Brooklyn Dodgers, 4 games to 3
|
|1953:  NY Yankees over Brooklyn Dodgers, 4 games to 2
|
|source:  1992 Baseball Almanac
|

	1952 Series flashes:
		Johnny Mize pinch hit homeruns; Andy Pafko catch jumping
	into the stands, replying to a fan who wanted to catch the souvenir,
	"I wanted that ball more than you did"; Cark Erskine setting a
	strikeout record; Jackie Robinson stealing home on Whitey Ford and
	Yogi screaming at the ump; and most vivid of all, Billy Martin
	rushing in from second base to make a shoe top catch of an infield
	pop up by Jackie Robinson with the bases loaded and two out in
	the 7th (?) inning of game seven.

	1953 Series flashes:
		Great Dodger lineup with Carl Furillo, league batting
	champ batting 8th in that terrific order; Mickey Mantle hitting
	an opposite field grand slam homer off Monk Myers (?) in Ebbetts
	field ( the ball would have been an out in the Stadium); Enos
	Slaughter misjudging Jackie Robinson's 10th inning liner to lose
	a 1-0 game; and once again, Billy Martin, series MVP with 13 (?)
	hits driving in Hank Bauer from second base to win the 6th and
	final game ( I can still see Hank galloping in with 3rd base coach
	Frankie Crosetti urging him on).

	These two series represented N.Y. baseball at it's finest, pitting
	two great teams with a cast of many hall of famers and other
	great contributors.

	source: My brain cells, indelibly etched with memories from my
	youth that will remain with me at least until the day I die.



					jerry
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Cito Manages reasonable in Game #1
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: dal
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:07:03 GMT

In <1992Oct9.155039.19355@electro.electro.com> carlo@electro.electro.com (Carlo Sgro) writes:

>In article <BvtC8D.Kp5@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>>... I was just happy that he didn't do anything monstrously
>>stupid like play Pat Tabler, moving Joe Carter to first base was actually a
>>reasonable move to make. And at least he brought in Sprague to pinch hit
>>instead of that worthless bum Tabler. 

>Does anyone else think that this was an indication of an enormous lack of 
>confidence in Tabler?  I guess that we won't be seeing much of Pat in a Jays'
>uniform any more...

  He's as good as gone. Hopefully Domingo Martinez will be the backup next year
if he doesn't get plucked by expansion. He's had two straight decent minor
league years and is a useful player in that his glove is reportedly good and
can be a right handed pinch hitter as well as fill in for Olerud vs. LHP when
John needs a day off.
				
					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)

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From: rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr)
Subject: Re: Was Bream Out?
Originator: rkidwell@slash.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:50:04 GMT

From article <1bju8mINN18d@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, by bandwen@eagle.larc (bando):
> From where I was watching the game (not real close to the TV),
> Sid Bream looked out or very very close to being out at home.
> Is it just me or what?
>    --bando
> 
Not just you. A low level side view of the slide showed that Bream's
front foot may not have touched the plate (it was in the air). 

rck

-- 
  >>>>>>>> .sigs are so tired, they expose the rookies instantly <<<<<<<<
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From: kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Atlanta DH?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:55:05 GMT
Reply-To: kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore)
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center

Any idea who the Atlanta DH will be? Lonnie Smith? One could make a case
for Deon's speed in the lineup. Maybe bat him 9th in front of Nixon. It would
be good to get him involved since he saw little action in the NLCS.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
||  Kevin Moore                      North Carolina Supercomputing Center   ||
||  Scientific Support Analyst       3021 Cornwallis Rd.                    ||
||  (919) 248-1179                   Research Triangle Park, NC 27709       ||
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From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: Re: The Ex-Cub Factor
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:41:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.020417.29091@leland.Stanford.EDU> cmeyer@spiral.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer) writes:
>: 
>:       Atlanta            Pittsburgh        Toronto      Oakland
>:       -------            ----------        -------      -------
>:       Damon Berryhill    Lloyd McClendon   Joe Carter   Dennis Eckersley
>:                          Gary Varsho       Pat Tabler 
>:                          Danny Jackson
>: 
>
>When did Carter and Tabler play for the Cubs?  (You aren't thinking of
>the Indians, are you?)

	I'de be willing to bet that there are MORE X-Indians on all four 
teams than X-Cubs!

- Dan
From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who's winning game #6 - ALCS
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvaac.1992Oct14.200856.12466
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

In article <Bw4nAK.M1z@mail.boi.hp.com>, rsparks@boi.hp.com (Rob Sparks) writes:
|> Please keep us posted often, somebody!! Thanks

I just stepped outside with my trusty radio (which doesn't work worth a damn 
inside this concrete and steel cavern), and found it to be 2-0 Jays in the 3rd.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              If you're really hip, the passing years will show.
                                           ......Tower Of Power

  paula@koufax.cv.hp.com   Paul Andresen  Hewlett-Packard  (503)-750-3511

    home: 3006 NW McKinley    Corvallis, OR 97330       (503)-752-8424
                            A SABR member since 1979
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From: alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Subject: Re: Morris + Jays - CRYBABIES!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:10:30 GMT

In article <92287.070555KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:
>   So the Toronto Blue Jays are upset because of the Eck's pump of the
> fist
> after fanning Sparague in Game 4. 

It wasn't because of the pump. It was because Eck stared at the dugout.

> What hypocritical cry babies!  Was it
> Roberto Alomar who threw his hands up in a touchdown celebration after
> homering
> off of Eck? 

That was done on purpose to get back to Eck for staring at them. 

> Am I correct in remembering that Jack Morris NEVER was emotional
> on the mound?  Eck showing emotion on the mound is comforting.  I hate
> stoic
> players.  Since Eck has a history of doing what he did, I think the Jays
> are
> over reacting.  Morris should be more concerned over his 6.00+ ERA in
> this
> series.

-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Department of Computer Science                      University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:06:32 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) wrote:
}
}Actually, didn't Hunter pinch-hit for Berryhill (and weakly pop out)?
}Therefore, the outfield and left side of the infield would be normal,
}Cabrera would have caught, and Hunter and Bream could have arm-wrestled for
}the first base job, loser playing second.

Hunter pinch-hit for Belliard, Cabrera for Reardon.  Berryhill walked
and was on first when Cabrera made his hit.

Had the game gone past the 9th (Justice fails to throw out Merced or
Bream is thrown out, take your pick) the Braves would have had to
find someone to play 2nd base.  Ron Gant might have actually made 
the most sense, because he came up originally at that position.  He
also played 3rd for a while.

I think you would have seen this lineup for the 10th:

C: Berryhill, 1B: Bream, 2B: Gant, SS: Blauser, 3B: Pendelton,
LF: Hunter, CF: Nixon, RF: Justice.

*That* would have been interesting!

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

       "Death wears a big hat, 'cause he's a big bloke."    
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From: amc01@aix370.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Guido Menschingg)
Subject: Baseball on AFN in Germany
Reply-To: amc01@aix370.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Guido Menschingg)
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:38:02 GMT

It's really the greatest season of the year!
Even though for me it means almost no sleep for two or three weeks,
because I have to spend my nights listening to AFN (Armed Forces
Network) Europe on AM from Frankfurt, Germany (673 kHz).
The reception is pretty awful, due to the big distance to the station,
the volume is going up and down all the time, but it's live!!!
It's in all probability the only positive aspect I will ever see in ANY army.
I've listened to every single game in the LCS's, and I'm looking forward to
a World Series as exciting as last year's!
Many people I know don't give a damn about the US, but a country that
invented baseball can't be ALL bad!

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sebastian Hagedorn			"Keep passing the open windows"
Linguistic Data Processing
Cologne University
Germany

E-mail: hgd@spinfo.Uni-Koeln.DE
From: darrell.crone@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Darrell Crone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: J.Miller
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: darrell.crone@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Darrell Crone)
Organization: The Ozone Hole BBS - New Orleans, LA - (504)891-3142 16800 Baud

>Exby must be a stathead...  Being publicly insulting on the net.

HE. he.....

JA> Yes, Pigpen had 57 saves.  Doesn't mean he had the better year.  If
JA>Jeff "No Managerial Instincts Whatsoever" Torborg pitches you every day down
JA>the stretch (65 save opps), you're obviously going to save many games.  And
JA>blow many saves.
JA> Face it, Thigpen never was as dominant as the Eck.  After '90, he
JA>went to pot, and has already lost his job.  In '90, Eck blew TWO saves all
JA>year.  48 for 50, children - that's a damn impressive stat.  In many ways,
JA>better than he was this year.
JA> And Eck has been baseball's dominant reliever since 1987 (sorry, fans
JA>of Jeff Reardon).  Thigpen had one year which then went on to hurt his whole
JA>career.  Eck is still dominant, and no matter what happened with Alomar the
JA>other day, he's still the man.

Jason You and me got to do lunch sometine.......

JA>                                       Jason Miller
JA>"Well, since Noboa is batting .500 lifetime against Dennis Martinez, it made
JA>more sense to play him at second base today than Randolph"
JA>               - Jeff Torborg, "How Not to Manage a Baseball
JA>                                       Team"
Gotta Love it!!!!!!

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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Major Awards Vote - Final Ballot Posting
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:03:33 GMT
Organization: Boo!

This is the last posting of ballot instructions for the 1992 rsb vote
for the major award postings.  All ballots must be sent out before
noon on Saturday, October 10th.  No ballot that is "postmarked" after
that date/time will be counted.  

Update On The Balloting: As expected, ballots have started to come in
with greater frequency during the last week.  I have already tallied
up all the votes submitted through October 1, and all but one of the
races remain quite close.  Everyone who has yet to vote is encouraged
to vote.  If you do not feel comfortable voting for some of the awards,
only submit votes in the categories you want to vote in.  

I have tried to stick as close to possible to the same rules and
procedures that the BBWAA uses, though in a few cases (all noted)
I have elected to go with procedures that make a bit more sense in
this case.

NL and AL MVP Awards

Voters are permitted to vote for up to 10 players.  First place
votes earn 14 points, second place points 9 votes, third place 8
points .......... tenth place 1 point.

NL and AL Cy Young and Rookie of the Year Awards:

Voters are permitted to vote for up to 3 players.  First place
votes earn 5 points, second place 3 points, and third place 1
points.

The one place where the voting rules differ from the BBWAA's is
that split votes will not be allowed.  Tie votes, while not
encouraged, are permitted. 

The BBWAA deadline for votes is the last day of the season so as
to make sure that the post-season does not influence the vote. 
In order to enable rsb citizens who want to evaluate the players
after the season has ended to do just that, the deadline for this
vote is noon on Saturday, October 10th.

Please vote only once.  I'm not going to go nuts trying to figure
if someone has sent me votes from two different accounts, so if you
try and fool me you probably will, though.

If your e-mail address doesn't have a name attached to it, include a name
in your ballot.  The inclusion of a name - even one that isn't yours - 
will make me happy.

Each vote will be acknowledged by mail.  If you do not get an
acknowledgement within a week after you send it, assume that your
vote was not received.  (Update:  I have sent acknowledgements to everyone
whose vote I have received, but about 3 of these acknowledgements,
all in the past week, have bounced).

This post will be re-posted every Monday until the voting period
has ended.

Ballots must be mailed.  I will not count any rec.sport.baseball
posts as ballots.  Send all votes to spira@panix.com  If for
some reason your mailer doesn't like that address, use
cmcl2!panix!spira

The e-mail in which you send your ballot should have the subject
header Major Award Votes

The results will be released immediately after the World Series
is over.

Greg 
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From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: clarification
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:01:37 GMT

For those who did not *choose* to misunderstand my previous posting on
short series I offer the following clarification, not meant in any
way to be an apology.

Of course we are all baseball fans (some of us more so than others if
Dr. Dave is to be believed - took that loss kinda hard Dave? you must
be real pissed about now...) and my intent was NOT to suggest that SDCN's
would not be enjoying the playoffs.

On the contrary, I was trying to point out that claiming, in May, that a
short series shows us only which team is the luckiest is quite a bit
different from making the same claim in October.  And if one wonders why
this is so one only has to look at the emotional element in the follow-ups
to my post.

My point?  Baseball is winning and losing.  It's not being the "best" 
according to some formula.  The great teams are the winning teams whether
they are the "best" or not.  The great players are the winning players
whether they are the "best" or not. 

No matter how many times, and no matter how clearly this is explained to
you, (some of you), you will do cartwheels to avoid it.  

Furthermore it is just fine for a select group of really "funny" posters
to heap sarcastic abuse on individuals but when an individual turns around
and hands it back to the lot of you... well...  

Followups are unnecessary unless you want to impress each other - I won't
read them.

Replys to /dev/null.

adios

rm

-- 
roger maynard                    
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca 
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Thoughts on Berryhill and Wakefield
Organization: Clark University
Date: 14 OCT 92 02:45:58 GMT

Does Damon Berryhill look like Alec Baldwin's dumb-jock brother,
or what?

Also, I've just figured out who Tim Wakefield reminds me of:
Ricky Nelson.

Back to our regular programming...

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Clutch/Choke-Talk (Re: Big Bad Barry)
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:27:04 GMT
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Regarding the previous, long debate about the existence of clutch and
choke performances, we now have more data on Mr. Bonds to help us.

In general, based on reading previous articles, I believe the following:

Clutch/Choke existence advocates believe that intense situations (i.e.
playoffs/world series) cause major league ballplayers to feel enough
pressure to effect their performances, either positively or negatively.

Clutch/Choke non-existence advocates believe major league ballplayers
are minor deities immune to pressure effects who have risen to the top
of a huge pool of lesser, choke-prone players.

The Barry Bonds debacle supports the first premise.  Bonds was a nervous
wreck early in the NLCS, swinging at horrible pitches, misplaying balls
in the outfield, in short, reacting poorly to the pressure of the situation.
He looked as frightened as Stockdale did in last nights VP debate.

Now, after baring his soul to Leyland/Bonilla/whoever, Bonds has relaxed.
He's hitting and fielding like an All-Star, and has that confident look
in his eyes again.

So what's the point?  I know this is a "small sample size (tm)" and
"clutch/choke hitting can not be shown to exist using currently
analyzed statistics (R)" but the Bonds mini-drama has proven to me that
major league ballplayers (even the *best* ballplayers) are indeed effected
by high-pressure situations, and can choke or shine depending on their
mental and/or emotional states at the time.

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: RG's 1992 Tribe Front Office Report Card - addendum
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  8 Oct 1992 10:28 EST  

There are a few aspects of the front office I forgot to comment on.

o  Selection of Charlotte, NC as their new AAA franchise, replacing
   Colorado Springs - A

This was pointed out to me in an astute follow-up.  There are several 
reasons this deal was so good for everyone involved: (a) the Colorado
expansion team wanted Colorado Springs for its AAA team rather than one
of the two new teams in Charlotte and Ottawa, PO; (b) Montreal wanted 
that Ottawa franchise more than its present one in Indianapolis; (c)
with Indianapolis and Charlotte left, the Tribe either gets a team close
to the big club and to AA Canton-Akron, or to A Kinston and A Columbus, GA.
So the Tribe gets Charlotte and the Tribe, Expos and Rockies are all happy.

o  Benching SS Mark Lewis due to "bad body language" - D

I know they probably meant Lewis had some things to learn in his technique.
But the way it comes out is totally bogus IMPO.  And now Lewis is being
shopped around, after the Tribe was unable to get anything for SS Felix
Fermin.  After losing Jay Bell to Pittsburgh for Fermin, I'd hate to give
up on another SS for Fermin.  Lewis is still *very* young.

o  Telling the fans not to get their hopes up too high after a 19-game
   improvement in 1992 over 1991 - A

After all, even with the 19-game improvement, the Tribe was still 20 games
out of first place and only three away from another year in the cellar.
And two of the three teams in front of Cleveland have some young players
as well.  And the Yankees have tons of young players.

o  Instituting the "Turn Back the Clock" Day promotion vs. Detroit in
   August - A-

In this game, the Tribe and Tigers both wore replicas of their 1932 uniforms
(which were pointed out by many players as more comfortable than the ones
they regularly wear).  The game marked the 60th anniversary of the first 
game played in Cleveland Stadium, in which Lefty Grove and the A's outdueled
Mel Harder (WHO SHOULD BE IN THE HALL) and the Tribe 1-0.

In that game, tickets in general admission were a buck and were 50 cents for
the bleachers.  If only they'd have dropped the prices on the good seats as
well ;-).

These will not change the overall A- grade given before.

RG

"Mumble mumble fans in Cleveland mumble mumble baseball mumble 200 hits."
 -  Carlos Baerga
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:03:57 GMT

In article <7519@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.032828.9604@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>
>>>Once again we see that a WALK is definitely not as vaulable as a HIT.
>>
>>Once again, we see people setting up straw men.  Nobody ever said it was, 
>>unless there's a man on first and he's slow.
>
>With all due respect folks, no one may have used the exact wording but, many
>here have argued that OBP is a more important stat that batting average, or
>rbis and no matter how you slice it that argument - OBP > BA - boils down to
>walks are as important as hits.

Your logic chip short-circuited here.  OBP *is* better than batting
average, and that does *not* mean walks are as valuable as hits.
Perhaps I should say that OBP is less flawed than BA.  BA ignores the
fact that a BB is usually a positive thing.  OBP ignores the fact that
while a BB is positive, it isn't as positive as a hit.

If I had to choose one or the other, I would choose OBP.  At least a
BB is closer in value to a hit than it is to an out.  But OBP isn't
*meant* to stand alone.  Combined with SLG, it comes reasonably close
to describing a player's production.  I won't go into the full
argument, since that has been rehashed many times, but you can tell
*far* more from OBP *and* SLG than you can tell from BA and SLG, or BA
and OBP, or BA and RBIs.

>What Bonds' walk(s) prove IMHO is that with out the proper person
>hitting behind you (oh that nasty protection thing again) a walk can
>be as equally vaulable to the pitcher, and some times more so, as it
>is to a hitter.

This is bullshit.  Any time a BB is beneficial to the pitcher, the
pitcher should issue an intentional walk.  Sometimes (like with Bonds
batting, runner on third) a BB doesn't hurt very much.  But if it
actually *helped* the pitcher, he would issue it intentionally.

>>But then again, it's infinitely better than an out.
>
>Why is it?  With a man on third a out the walk and the out produce exactly
>the same result - NO RUN!

*That* time, it produced no runs.  Next time, perhaps Jeff King will
hit a 2-RBI double?  Or a 3-run HR?  Or maybe just get a single to
drive in the lead runner himself.

If Bonds makes an out, the inning is over.  If he walks, he leaves it
up to Jeff King.  And while King is no all-star, he is far from an
automatic out!

-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cito Manages reasonable in Game #1
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:29:14 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I agree that Cito threw away yesterday's game to the As.
Why Morris in the 9th when u have fire-ballers like Ward.
Why Morris when Larussa shows by example that he removes
Stewart and brings in Russel.

Nuff Said...
S.h
Forever twins.