Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: holocaust almanac
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 06:56:21 GMT
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Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Summary: FACTS please...

In article <1992Sep30.2176.139@channel1> "john lovett" <john.lovett@channel1.com> writes:

>You and the other Holocaustomaniacs have been spewing this drivel since

I'd appreciate it if you would define the term "Holocaustomaniacs" - while I
find it mildly offensive, I'm willing to hear what you have to say. If,
however, you continue to load your writing with emotionally insulting
nonsense from the nazi book of insults (exterminationalists, holomaniacs,
and similar stuff), you are unlikely to receive much support in this
discussion. If you want to get specific about the "drivel" being presented
here, by all means do so - until then, however, nothing you have to say will
be accepted with merit.

>the end of World War Two, but people are finally beginning to realize
>that it is nothing but a gigantic hoax, used as a moral club to beat
>Christians over the head, and to help establish your racist state of
>Israel.

Three comments: First, if you are going to assert that the Holocaust was a
"gigantic hoax," you are going to have to produce factual evidence to back
up your assertion. I'd appreciate it if you would do that for me.

Second, I have no interest in the State of Israel, or whether or not its
politics are "racist." I am not Jewish, nor am I interested in Israeli
politics. What I _am_ interested in is refuting the assertions that the
Holocaust was a "hoax," and I'm still waiting for some factual evidence...
which, I might add, no-one has yet produced here.

Third, I fail to see what Christianity, or, to be specific, beating
Christianity over the head, has to do with the reality of the Holocaust,
particularly when you consider the reality of Christian persecution during
the event.

In short, you have failed in your attempt to raise a dog and pony show to
obscure the issue: the Holocaust as historical reality.

>The ride is almost over.  No matter how much of this stuff you and your
>friends post, no matter how much phony moral indignation you work up
>about the 'Holocaust', more and more people are becoming indifferent or
>inimical to your propaganda, and more interested in Israel's torture
>and murder of Arabs, its aggression against its neighbors, and why the
>United States continues to prop up this thuggish state.

The substance of the Holocaust issue has absolutely nothing to do with
Israel, or its relations with Arab neighbors. If you wish to argue Israeli
politics, please do so in an appropriate UseNet forum; this isn't the place.
(I suggest talk.politics.mideast, which most certainly _is_ an appropriate
place to argue Israeli politics.)

I reject your assertion that "more and more people" are becoming
indifferent, and I reject as well your assertion that those who debate the
Holocaust deniers are doing so out of "phony moral indignation."

I suggest that you provide specific information with regard to the events
commonly referred to as the Holocaust which will support your belief that it
is all a hoax, and drop your views of Israel at the door.

I'd be happy to send you the entire collection of Almanac Holocaust files,
if that would provide you with specific material for research, or you may
obtain them via anonymous ftp :

A recent copy of our Almanac Holocaust files may be obtained via anonymous
ftp from menora.weizmann.ac.il, as /pub/texts/lest.we.forget/oneb-txt.tar.Z.
Please let me know what archive format you would prefer, as the files are
available in either compressed tar or zip. 

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