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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:22:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan8.002215.12639
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Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


> I *liked* the new music.

  Add my voice to the chorus.  I too liked the music.  Even though I kept
  cringing at the "We'll be back after these messages" music:  The same as
  TNG's, but missing two notes.  I'll get used to it.
-- 
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:24:07 GMT

trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:

>"DS9" conveys more information than "DSN."  The "N" in "DSN"
>could stand for any word starting with "N."

Hey, you're right! And look, The "D" could stand for ANY word
beginning with "D" and the "S" for any word that starts with
and "S" so we had better just use "Deep Space Nine" so as not
to confuse the other treks who might get confused as to 
DSN or DS9 not being the same thing.

>  Besides, it looks
>nicer with a number thrown in there (how's that for logic?).

I like it better as DSN

		CtB
From: ender@triryche.UU.NET (Pete "Ender" Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dax is too thin!
Date: 13 Jan 1993 05:14:19 GMT
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In article <C0qtLG.JGv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese) writes:
|> >>She is just too thin. There no room for this slug in her and 
|> >>internal organs at the same time. And why do they keep changing
|> >>sex when they change hosts?.  
|> >
|> >If the humanoid half of the Trill have evolved to hold that slug in
|> >their bodies then she probably has a convenient little cavity in her
|> >abdomen.  Also, I noticed that the slug they showed in the DS9
|> >premiere was much smaller than the one in "The Host" (as least from
|> >memory).  Maybe TPTB thought of how it would fit in her body, too.
|> 
|> The symbiont (sp) from DS9 is definitely smaller than the one from
|> "The Host." I was very surprised when I saw that, because it's such
|> an obvious size difference that is easily checkable.
|> 
|> Jean

I never saw "The Host", so I don't know what the differences in the symbionts
were other than size.  On THAT subject however I would ask that you look at the
size difference between adult humans...  this can vary quite a bit!

Ender
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:24:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.221810.3901@infonode.ingr.com> andrew@ak8194.b23a.ingr.com writes:
>How about a drink every time Data and the Liquid Guy exchange experiences
>relating to not being human and not knowing their origins (yeah, I know
>Data pretty much knows his already).
>
>OR, every time there is a guest appearance from STTNG or ST.
>
>OR, every time support beams fall during attack.

How about a drink every time one of these messages shows up on the wrong list?

Will you PLEASE delete rec.music.country.western from the distribution line?

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From: jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley)
Subject: Re: Linda Hunt in Space Rangers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:22:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Anne Tallant (amt@linus.mitre.org) wrote:
: 
: And what a waste of her acting abilities.  She was incredible in The
: Killing Fields.  How on earth did she get involved with Space Rangers?

I think you mean _The_Year_of_Living_Dangerously_, in which she played
the (male!) reporter Billy Kwan, a star turn if there ever was one.
Ms. Hunt did not appear in _The_Killing_Fields_.

Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
(that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:08:00 GMT
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Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Mon, 4 Jan 93 07:52:54 GMT, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) wrote:

DA>>That would seem to settle it, in my opinion.  If Michael Piller spells it

DA>We know how he puts it on HATS at least...

DA>But, if it's so "settled", then WHY isn't the show
DA>called "Deep Space 9"??

I assume it's because, aesthetically, "Deep Space Nine" looks better as a
title than "Deep Space 9", but "DS9" looks better as an abbreviation than
"DSN".

What do you want, logic?  <g>

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From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Subject: DS9 in Philadelphia
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:38:51 GMT

Okay, we just got the premier, and it was nice, but they never said when it
would be showing on a weekly basis.  Anyone know?
From: omiller@infopls.chi.il.us (omiller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shi
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 16:07:47 CST
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 -=> Quoting John A. Weeks Iii to All <=-

 JAWI> This was hashed over extensively when Relics first aired.  The general
 JAWI> consesus was that the Enterprise cannot transport through its own
 JAWI> shields nor the shields of many of its neighbors ships, but the ship
 JAWI> that LaForge and Scotty were on was 100 years old.  Those shields were
 JAWI> effective against 100 year old weapons and transporters, but are easily
 JAWI> defeated by 24th century technology.

 JAWI> An alternate theory is that Gordie and Scotty knew that they were
 JAWI> going to have to be transported while the shields were up, so they
 JAWI> tuned the shields to a particular frequency that would hold the Dyson
 JAWI> Sphere doors open yet allow them the maximum chance to be beamed off.

        Shields work on a cycle.  In other words the shield cycles every
        once in a while and is off for 1/50000th of a second.  It is
        possible with extremely accurat timing to squeeze through
        between cycles.


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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: History of the Enterprise
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:08:00 GMT
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Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On 4 Jan 93 16:26:28 GMT, caina@merrimack.edu wrote:

CA>    O.k. I'll admit it... I'm a tad lost right now.  Could someone please
CA>e-mail me a brief history of each of the Enterprises (all of the NCC-1701,
CA>A-D, plus the original NCC-1701.) and what episodes of ST:TNG or ST Movies
CA>they appeared in?

I just happened to have this lying around.  I hope it's what you wanted.
----

NCC-1701:
            Constitution-class
            Depicted in the original Star Trek series
            Refitted just prior to Star Trek: The Motion Picture
            Depicted in the first three Star Trek movies
            Destroyed near the end of Star Trek III: The Search For
                Spock

NCC-1701-A:
            Constitution-class
            First seen at the end of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
            Formerly named USS Yorktown
            Depicted in Star Trek V: The Voyage Home and Star Trek VI:
                The Undiscovered Country

NCC-1701-B:
            Excelsior-class
            Never seen in the movies or television shows

NCC-1701-C:
            Ambassador-class
            Depicted in the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise"
            Implied to be destroyed by Romulans at the Battle of
                Narendra

NCC-1701-D:
            Galaxy-class
            Depicted in Star Trek: The Next Generation


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From: jeffv@physics.ubc.ca (Jeff Vavasour)
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Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 07:50:01 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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In another article pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) gives well-appreciated
summaries of other new sci-fi shows:
>Deep Space 9: [...]
>Babylon 5: [...]
>Sea Quest: [...] Starts Nov '93.
>Space Rangers: [...] On CBS Starts Jan '93.
>Time Trax: [...]

So, does anybody have specific air times for Babylon 5 or Space Rangers
(or Time Trax for that matter)?

I've seen the postings saying that Babylon 5 is syndicated, but there 
wouldn't happen to be a subscriber (or whatever they're called) station
list like the one for Deep Space Nine would there?

In particular, anybody know if any Vancouver/Seattle station will pick it
up?  (Or how about ITV in Edmonton?)

Also, anyone know the specific premiere date for Space Rangers?  (I hope
the title belies the intelligence of this one!  It sounds like it ought
to be a Saturday morning cartoon, or is it?)

Is Time Trax syndicated also?

Any more news on the "Star Trek: Luwxana in Space" spinoff? :-)

So many questions.

- Jeff
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:31:37 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell):
>In article <2B4C82AE.362C@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>According to frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell):
>>>But, now that you mention it, the replacement Trill host of "The Host"  
>>>seemed not too happy to be there.  (Or maybe it was supposed to be stoic  
>>>resignation, or zombielike lack of intelligence [...])
>> 
>>I think it was lack of intelligence.  It doesn't take intelligence to
>>smile...
>
>Smile?  I haven't seen "The Host" in a while, but I remember [...]

The smile I refer to is the smile on the face of Dax's new host, just
before the "transplant" takes place.  You're right about the "Host" host.
-- 
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  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Just a note about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:15:40 GMT
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota

|>    BTW, watched the episode Monday night.  My opinion below (**SPOILER**)



|>    I give it a B+.  An A without all that "cosmic" stuff.  Why does every
|>    Star Trek series have to go "cosmic" now and then? The story line was
|>    more than enough to keep my interest without another 'humanity on trial'
|>    bit.

Far, far, far better "cosmics" than space jelly-fish.  Oof.

-- 
\\ Robert J. Granvin                                 User Services Specialist
// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota            rjg@stat.umn.edu
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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 05:58:03 PST


>I imagine that the truth is a combination of these last two, with
>the first two being the best 'explanations' as for why this is
>the case in the fictoinal universe.

>Joshua
>|         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
>|                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |

I'm sure that there are all kinds of real world reasons, as you pointed
why there are not more races in the aliens on TNG.  I imagine that the
added cost of changing make-up procedures would surprise us.  But I was
interested in hearing peoples opinions from a "within the TNGuniverse"
point of view and you did indeed point out some interesting reasons.

Scott (don't you just love reasonable responses) VanArtsdalen
PP-ASEL
From: moe@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Joe Shippert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:15:33 GMT
Organization: University of Washington Libraries, Seattle
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In article <93Jan08.222942.22918@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.111216.1791@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>>In article L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:
>>>This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?

Okay, this is pretty obscure but:

 - In one of the first episodes of the first season (A Matter of Honor, I
   think)there was a WHOLE RACE of blacks (can't call them African or
   African-whatever if they're not from Africa) and Tasha Yar had to
   fight one to the death (was that a spoiler?) 

- In First Contact I distinctly remember seeing one of the aliens working in 
  the hospital being black.

Of course who know whay they don't cast more in Star Trek?

-- 
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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: O'Brien's Going Away Party-NOT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:16:00 GMT


I could hardly believe my eyes. Here's lovable old O'Brien slinking off the
Enterprise by himself. Not one of his so called friends (except the Captain,
of course, it was his 'duty') to see him off! Where was the Party, the gifts,
the back patting 'You were the best transport chief we ever had' sentiments?
Hey, come on even a 2 week temp. worker at least gets a thanks. Of all the
flaws in DSN this one takes the cake or not as it turned out. Isn't there a
Miss Manners in the 24th Century? :)

                         |
paul m.
From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Music, Major Kira
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:11:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.161141.22468
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>>
>>Try turning it up and "getting into it" a little and you'll see what
>>I mean.  Then again, I'm listening to it on a 100wpc high-end stereo
>>system, not the single 3" speaker in most folks' TVs.  Perhaps the
>>latter just doesn't do it justice.

>I'm only running my stereo MTS signal through a 25W NAD receiver, but
>it really fills the room ... WPIX is a small station, but puts some
>really good effort into their technicals (anyone watch it on sat?).

The fact that you're running it through an NAD as compared to a
typical mass-market receiver probably helps, too.  ;)

>>Those with some musical experience should be able to pick up the
>>"inside joke" of the theme -- that is combines many elements of the
>>TNG and TOS themes, though at a slower tempo to help disguise them.

>Actually, the ST IV theme is in there, too ... 

Really?  I guess I don't remember the ST IV theme well enough to
notice it.  I'll have to pay attention if I watch it on tape or
something like that anytime soon.

>certainly the best of
>the non-movie arrangements, barring TNG season II's brush-up of the
>first TMP/TNG theme (there was a remix, same sessions).

I agree.

>>One question (since many people made this comment about the show):
>>How can the role of a Bajoran woman be over-acted? ;) Kira is much
>>less tame then Ro, I admit, but them again Ro has spent years in 
>>Starfleet and in jail.  Kira has spent years killing Cardassians.  

>If the role was originally written for Michelle Forbes's Ro Laren
>character, Nana Visitor was probably conscious of trying not to
>duplicate Ro in any way as Kira ... certainly they've set up each of
>their backgrounds to be different enough that their eventual meeting
>can lead to fireworks ... remember what Ishara Yar felt about Tasha's
>departure for Starfleet ...

Hmmm...  Sounds like a good subplot in a future episode.  Let's hope
that Michelle Forbes agrees to sign on for a few guest appearances.
-- 
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  And hearts on fire / Are just the same old song" -- The Cure
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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Subject: Re: One LAST Time, O'Brien's rank.  After this, NO MORE OR B
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:58:17 GMT

In article <1ismn6INNpm3@lester.appstate.edu>, BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny
Barnes  ) wrote:
> 
> In <1993Jan10.215710.608@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> 
> >
> > And that's it.  O'Brien is and always was a Chief Petty Officer, even
> > though he wasn't. 
> > 
> > 
> WRONG!
> 
> According to PARAMOUNT, O'Brien is a LIEUTENANT!  Read it on Page 143 of the
> TNG Companion, 2nd column, 2nd from the last paragraph, published by POCKET
> BOOKS which is owned by PARAMOUNT.

What's the copyright date?

James
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:25:16 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <16B4D899F.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu> JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:

>Another solution is to broaden the venue of ST:TNG to include more starships
>than just the Enterprise.  Let Picard remain captain of the Big E and promote
>Riker to captain another ship (and bring some of the crew with him).  Then
>Stewart can be in the shows that feature the E and Frakes can be in the rest.

So we'll only have to sleep through half the episodes?

I'd rather see Data as Captain than Riker.


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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:34:00 GMT

From article <79327@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
> In article <1993Jan6.214546.25648@cci632.cci.com> tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:
> 
>>Spoilers follow, so beware...
> 
> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this:  Kira was ready to sacrifice
> the entire space station to fight the Cardassians.  Now, I realize that
> surrender was not an option, and they only had 6 photon torpedoes, but she
> acted like she wanted to "die the glorious death" in battle against the
> oppressors of her people.  That's all well and good, but not with all those
> Federation officers in a Federation space station.  That just didn't seem
> right.  While the battle was occurring, I thought "She's responsible for
> every death on that ship."  Then, later, we'll told that there were no
> deaths.  How convenient!  Especially seeing that beam fall on that one
> guy.  I thought for sure he'd be dead.  I don't know.  That scene just didn't
> work for me.  She seemed just a little to selfish.

	I don't see it that way.  She basicly had no choice.  Either
surrender and be tortured or whatever ("You know what they do to the
prisoners") by the Caradssians, or go out fighting.  Like she told O'brien,
there was no way they could win with what weapons they had - she had to
bluff them and I think she did it quite well.

> there, which is better than T-"group hug"-NG.  And of course, there was the
> conflict with the Borg.  I loved that scene where half a ship's saucer
> section was destroyed. :-)  

	Oh orgasm!  If everything about Trek stops tommorow, I can say
that that ship being "eaten" by the Borg's beam was easily the Koolest(tm)
thing I've ever seen from any show or movie!  :)

> Which of course begs the question what the
> hell was the saucer section doing there in the first place?

	I thought the Galaxy class ships were the first to be designed
to be specificly seperable in battle.  The ships that were fighting looked
older.  I mean, the 1701-C wasn't flying around without it's saucer in
_Yesterday's Enterprise_ and that ship looked like a new model than
most of the ships in the battle.

 TTYL
 Chris
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From: elissa@nynexst.com (Elissa Gilbert)
Subject: O'Brien rank
Reply-To: elissa@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:37:48 GMT

Just to throw some more fuel on the debate over O'Brien's rank: in the novelization of
Deep Space Nine, he is referred to as an *Ensign*.  It is explicitly stated that this
is a promotion for him, and that's one of the reasons he accepted the transfer.


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