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From: mike@Turing.ORG (Michael Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Which HD-Controller is better? 2091 or GVP
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:37:23 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <p3kXr*qg0@disaster.hacktic.nl> rico@disaster.hacktic.nl (Rico Jansen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.210353.25329@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, Don mac phee writes:
>
>> >]>Which makes eight.  SCSI devices are numbered 0-7, not 1-8.
>> 
>>  Therefore, you may have seven devices on your SCSI chain. The anchor being
>> the board.
>> 
>>  There *I* disputed it. Anyone else?
>
>Yep, me. SCSI supports something called LUN's.
>(look at the SCSI scanning of HDtoolbox).
>This means the every SCSI device can be subdivided in 8 sub units.
>You need a LUN-controller for that. If you use this method
>with *one* SCSI controller you can get 7*8=56 HD's of your system.
>
>Rico Jansen (rico@disaster.hacktic.nl)

You might get some very interesting signal loss with a cable long
enough to support such a scenario. :)
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I hate to toot my own horn... 

But I guess being flexible has its advantages.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AGA monitors.
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov8.105014.18483@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> urjlew@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj) writes:
> In article <36750@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> > In article <Bx9FGL.3zp@rice.edu> dgb@owlnet.rice.edu (Dennis Gale Brown) writes:
> > > 
> > > The NEC series of Multisyncs seem to work well with the Amigas.
> > > If you have to buy a new monitor, the C= monitor is probably cheaper,
> > > but if you share a monitor between computers (Amiga and, say, IBM))
> > > then the NEC would be a good bet... 
> > 
> > The 1960 comes with a standard 15-pin VGA connector and works just
> > fine with PC's, includeing those from IBM...
> > 
> > -- 
> > George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
> > but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
> > Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
> 
> But will the C= 1960 (s) monitor work well with the modern newer IBM clone high
> resolution modes, like those >1000 x >800 svga and xvga modes? 

No, and neither will most of the other reaonably price monitors out there.
I think the 1960 is maxed out at the 800*600 SVGA type display format,
though I don't have  a spec sheet handy.

My point was that the 1960 isn't an "Amiga Monitor", it's a general purpose
SVGA capable multi-sync that we sell with our (european) PC products too.

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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Why did CBM even bother with the 600?
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:19:05 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: 1200, cool, 600, Nintendo-croud-pleaser

In article <1992Nov4.205658.11391@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> pmancini@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Mancini) writes:
> 
> 	CBM states that they are releasing the A600 for the home
> computer user and the A1200 for the power home computer user.  I think
> it's a waste of time IMHO.  The problem is that the A600 relies on
> technology that CBM won't (or at least shouldn't) spend time advancing
> or supporting.

The part you're missing is that we've been shipping the A600 in Europe
for almost a 9 months  now, so it's already a successful product, not
something we just finished and are about to release.

The software base for the A600 is no different than the A500, so I'd say
it's pretty neutral in the "advancing/supporting" category.

I wouldn't mind having an "AGA" version of the A600, but it would have
very little to differentiate it from the A1200.  On the other hand, the
A600/A1200 make a pretty nice pair if positioned correctly.

> 	I was joking with One of the Commodore reps the other day at a
> desk top video conference here in Boston last week.  He said that what
> probably happened was the tech crew was working on AA and didn't let
> upper management know how close to completion they were until just after
> they released the A600.  (tongue in cheek mind you).

He's confused, when the A600 was done, "AGA" was in the "someday" category,
with the primary target being something like the A3000/A4000.

> 	So, CBM, where am I wrong?  Who is going to buy A600's when CDTV
> and A1200 exist now?

People who find it adequate to their needs/desires at whatever the price
ends up to be.  We sold ~3,000,000 A500's with less memory, no PCMCIA
memory/IO expansion or internal hard disk.  The A600 may lack the graphics
punch of the A500, but I wouldn't write it off in a big hurry.

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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: PCMCIA card slot
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:16:11 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov7.050827.22427@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
> In article <36782@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
> (George Robbins) writes:
> 
> >16-bit, but "fast" in the sense that there is no chip memory contention.
> >In the A1200, depending on video modes, this may or may not be faster
> >than chip ram.
> 
> That being the case, could the PCMCIA card slot accommodate items such as
> a SCSI adaptor, DSP module or 16-bit audio extension? Very little has
> been said as to how this differentiates between the CPU expansion slot.
> Could you speculate as to what the PCMCIA slot would be best suited for?

The things the PCMCIA slot cannot do is serve as a bus master or as complete
extension of the processor bus.  It supports two basic modes of operation,
one is similar to a basic ROM/SRAM/FLASH interface and can be used for memory
or things that look like memory, the other is similar to the 808X I/O bus,
with a 64K address space and byte or word wide I/O data.

The first of these can support most kind of memory applications, while the
other can support just about any kind of device that can be supported by
programmed I/O.  The limitation here is that the bandwidth is limited or
rather, the amount of CPU overhead to transfer data may be undesirable.

Devices like serial ports or intgrated (FAX/)modems are one pretty obvious
option that fits well,  others like network interfaces or SCSI adapators are
in the class that would offer less thru-put than bus or DMA interfaced
versions, but still offer considerable utility.

DSP's are a bit harder to define, since they come in all flavors, from ROM
based versions that support only bit-serial I/O, ones that have only a
PIO porthole, then shared SRAM buffers and finally ones with intelligent
bus master interfaces.

A DSP of the porthole variety or shared SRAM variety could work within the
the PCMCIA framework, as either a memory mapped or PIO device.  It could
support the usual sampling, sythesis or speach recognition tasks, but the
duration of "play" might be limited by the sizes of the buffer memory unless
the system processor spent a lot of time transferring data to/from the
buffer.

You might ask "where are all these cards"?  At the moment anything fancier
than a SRAM card seems to be moving from vapor to limited availability. 
At first everyone was talking about what could be done, and there was lots
of handwaving, but now there seem to be real devices moving into the
marketplace.

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
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From: pl159410@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Alejandro Garza Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga -> X-10 or IR control
Keywords: X-10, Home Automation, IR, Infrared, remote control, project
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:47:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware

abend@toto.cis.ohio-state.edu (dan edward abend) writes:

>Infrared Remote

>   Has anyone created a project which will allow the Amiga to send IR signals
>   in order to control IR devices such as TVs, VCRs, Stereos, etc...?  I
>   have seen projects for the IBM which use the serial (or parallel) port
>   but I think a joyport control could also work for the Amiga.  These,
>   however, have limitations such as not being 'learning remotes' and
>   being forced to stick with a 40kHz carrier.  I have also heard that
>   the All-in-one remote has a connector which can be used to feed it
>   information from the computer but have no further specifics.

Well, here at my campus, we use AirLink by Geodesic software, which is 
a tiny box that plugs into the second joyport and lets you record and
send IR signals from/to any IR device. It has pretty good software, with
an ARexx interface, and can even let you tie almost any input event to 
any output event, be it a serial port byte, a MIDI note, an IR command
signal (output only), a parallel port bit, or an ARexx message. The IR
sampler is pretty sophisticated as it can detect what part of the IR
signal is sufficient to send out to the device. All this in a $50 package :)

We use it constantly with amigavision to syncrhonize audio volume from a Sony
CD player with Amiga-generated sounds running thru a mixer, and also to digitize
sequential frames from a VCR using Digi-view. We plan to add another VCR along
with a SuperGen in order to show sequences from a Video along with computer 
animation at certain points. (All this is for a closed-circuit channel inside 
the campus that runs on an unattended A1000... ftp janusanims from 130.60.80.80) :)

Hope this helps!

>Dan Abend
>Editor/Publisher AMIGAphile - For Amiga Users, By Amiga Users

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From: hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: TrumpPro2000/Maxtor7120 problems, need HELP! (Please!)
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:53:28 GMT

I have a 2000 w/WB2.0, CSA-MMR, a IVS GrandSlam (= TrumpcardPro) and have a
Seagate ST296N 5.25" HD with 2 partitions. Today I added a Maxtor 7120 3.5"
HD mounted (rather tightly I might add) to the SCSI hardcard. My intention
is to create 2 partitions on the Maxtor and make it my boot drive after
copying over the data from the older Seagate, which I will continue to use
for backup, etc. So, I formatted the Maxtor with the IVS tools, naming the
2 partitions "Max1" and "Max2", leaving them, for now, non-bootable. Then I
copied all my data from the Seagate boot partition, making sure not to
overwrite the Disk.info file. Everything looked fine until I rebooted. Now,
the Seagate partitions DH0: and DH1: are mounted, but DH2: now is assigned
to DH0: and DH3: is assigned to DH1:, so if I 'cd dh3:' it takes me to the
Seagate dh1: partition. Max2: seems to be mounted properly, but Max1:
(which I expected to be dh2:), is no longer mounted. (Boy this sounds
confusing!). Anyway....how do I get my data from the Seagate to the Maxtor,
and rename all partitions so that they're recognized as dh0:-dh3:, with
dh0: and dh1: on the Maxtor and dh2: and dh3: on the Seagate??? It's
probably a very simple problem, but after working on this sucker all day I
can't think any more... (email appreciated on this!)

	Steve Heller
	hellerS@moravian.edu
From: dale@ntg.com (Dale Luck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Moving 500 to 1200, BAD NEWS
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:53:38 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <1davn7INNfhf@cs.tut.fi> mk59200@cs.tut.fi (Kolkka Markku Olavi) writes:
>In article Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) writes:
>>
>>Parity checking is a thing from the pre-historic when DRAMs were unreliable. 
>>Just like MS-DOG (yes, both pre-historic and unreliable :)).
>>
>Also, parity checking doesn't _fix_ any memory errors, it only guarantees
>that the machine will _crash_ when a memory error happens. Apparently some
>people prefer this sort of behavior.

As opposed to just starting to do funny things, or silently corrupt
your data and harddisk. Oh? that bit that just flipped state turned a
read into a write. Oh well.

I'd would much rather be told that I had a memory failure as soon as
I accessed that piece of memory than to find out a little later
that something went wrong and maybe blame it on buggy software.

A parity error will help find faulty/flaky memory instead of
just having to guess whether the failure to boot is due to an unseated
agnus chip, power glitches from your washing machine on the same outlet,
or a zap from having just touched the front of your TV screen.

Parity memory is a necessity in any environment where security of
data is needed. Todays DRAMs are still succeptible to the occasional
alpha particle hit to knock those electrons around, especially in
the high density drams that do not have that much charge in those wells
to maintain the state of a memory cell.

EDC would be even better however the cost can be prohibitive.

Dale Luck
GfxBase

>--
>	Markku Kolkka
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From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Names (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:07:09 GMT

In <36809@cbmvax.commodore.com> mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz) writes:

>davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>>In article <BxEyw0.Hoz@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> cree@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Cree) writes:

>>The chip now called Agnus (actually, Fat Agnus, then Super Agnus and now
>>Alice), used to be called Agnes in Commodore's official docs - at least, it
>>was on the A1000.  In the earliest days, as well as Agnes, we had Daphne (now
>>Denise) and Portia (now Paula).  Does anyone know why the names were changed?
              ^^^^^^^
>To protect the innocent...  (;-)

She must have been some talker! 4 channels at once. Your mother-in-law? :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: Question about high density drives on the Amiga
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:11:59 GMT

This is probably a really old question, but I just don't understand
why IBM (for example) high density drives cannot be somehow hacked
and used on the Amiga.

We know that adequate driving software can be written, since multi-dos,
messy-dos and cross-dos all exist.

So what is the big hangup?  It seems to me that the ability to use a HD
IBM drive on the Amiga would be a mini-revolution for Amiga owners...

Just curious...

Scotty AJ
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: macanespie@waves.pas.ti.com
Subject: Re: Technically feasible Amiga
Reply-To: macanespie@waves.pas.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, PAS
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:36:43 GMT

In article <36671@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> In article <mN9iTB1w164w@cellar.org> swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur) writes:
>>grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> 
>>> >     4 - Thin-wire ethernet standard in all Amigas.  
> 
>>> Sure that one wasn't twisted pair?  
> 
>>George, go take a look at AMD's latest "Advances" magazine.  They just
>>introduced a ONE-CHIP ethernet solution.  
> 
> Agreed.  We do that all the time, via the Ethernet card.  There are no Macs
> that plug into any standard network (eg, Ethernet) out of the box.  You pay
> around $150 to actually hook a Quadra up, all other Macs must get an Ethernet
> card.


An idea came up in this group a while ago (I think in response to the SANA II
specs) that someone might write a SCSI Ethernet driver that would work with
the Asante' EN/SC adapter (a box made specifically for working on an external
SCSI bus and providing Ethernet connections).

This could provide a (somewhat) inexpensive Ethernet solution to any Amiga
that had SCSI.  (I don't know any flavors of Asante' that have 10Base-T.)


> Dave Haynie / Commodore Technology, High-End Amiga Systems Design (cool stuff)
>  "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
> If you think "George Bush" is the answer, you just don't understand the question

Okay Dave, time to change your .sig.  :-(

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How many bits would a BlitBlit blit if a BlitBlit could blit bits?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: agb16@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Alan Baxter)
Subject: UPS Question
Organization: U. of Cambridge, England
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:06:41 GMT

Hi. I just bought a second hand Micro Guard 500 UPS. It came without
manuals. I was wondering how to use it. I thought it would all be
very easy until I noticed two huge terminals on the back labelled
(+) and (-). Does this mean I need some sort of battery set up as
well? Or can I just plug and go?
Regards Alan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Floppy size in 1200?
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:21:05 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ferry van het Groenewoud (groenewo@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> >Arghh, I post a simple answer and get a petite diatribe in return.  I'll admit
> >that a HD floppy would be nice, perhaps very nice, but I'm not sure whether
> >it is really essential on a machine with a built-in hard drive capability.
>
> >Is this really a buy/no-buy point for you?
>
> than DD diskettes for every stored byte. Also it can read HD MSDOS diskettes,
> a very important thing since the A1200 will probably be able to simulate
> an IBM at a usable speed. Another feature is that it can read standard
> Macintosh HD-diskettes, taking away the need to convert them first. Very
> handy with Amax: just pop in a HD macflop and go!
>
> Also: why isn't there a clock inside? It really baffles me: it costs
    No high density disk _IS_ a major decision point. The ability to move
data to other platforms easily (MessyDOS and, especially, Macs) which this
would provide is very important. The lack of clock puzzles me as well. I
thought since it came standard in the 500plus that it would be on all new
platforms. I really can't understand the cost argument on this one.
--
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                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

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From: treczoks@rhea.Informatik.Uni-Bonn.DE
Subject: Amiga 500 Memory Question
Reply-To: treczoks@rhea.Informatik.Uni-Bonn.DE
Organization: Want to sell one?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:39:45 GMT

Dear Netters,
I recently got an Amiga 500 Rev 6a on my desk. As it had only 512k, I decided
to boost it up a little, and found the nice, empty places named U20 to U23.
Grabbing in my desk drawer, I found the chips, soldered them in, played
with Jumper #2, and --- MAGIC --- had 1 meg of chipmem. But, alas, I also
needed a Clock, so I got some sort of 501 clone, put it into the trapdoor,
and.... nothing. Machine was dead. After reading some articles, I cut
Jumper 7a, and the machine came up again, but: still one meg chip, and no
fast (or better slow ;). When I got it right, then both (my four chips and
the 501-clone) occupy the same memory area (either 080000 or c00000, depending
on Jumper 2, and Jumper 7a just disables the trapdoor memory.
Question is: I'd like to have BOTH: The additional 4 chips as 080000 chipmem,
and the trapdoor as c00000 slowmem. Is this possible?
Yours, Christian Treczoks (Treczoks@Rhea.Informatik.Uni-Bonn.de)
From: faith@amiganet.chi.il.us (Fred Drummand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Music Stuff*************************
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:44:51 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems


 Music Stuf Forsale
 ------------ -----
 Tascam Porta One 4 Track Recording Mini-Studio  $300.00
 Toshiba Portable Cd Player Walkman With Fm/Am Stereo SOLD $60.00
 Unisphere I Sure Microphone $50.00
 1 8 Channel Peavey Mixing board With Effects loop, Built In Reverb
   3 band Eq for each Channel, mike inputs, or regular guitar chord
   Sub Outs, Returns.  Good Condition  $125.00
 1 Lifestyle 1000 Rowing Machine that is also a bench press, butterfly, curls,
   its one of those puppies that changes around all nicely.
 
 If Interested In Anything, Make Offers!  IF Your Not sure whats its worth ASK
 ME IN MAIL!

Fred Drummand
Collumbia College
Graphic Arts Major
From: wirth@igd.fhg.de (Hanno Wirth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Which HD-Controller is better? 2091 or GVP
Date: 29 Oct 92 08:19:24 GMT
Organization: IGD FHG Darmstadt, FRG

In article <Boinger.04dy@myamy.hacktic.nl> boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:
>In article <4783@babylon.rmt.sub.org> rbabel@babylon.rmt.sub.org (Ralph Babel) writes:
[ stuff deleted ]
>> Gee, I wonder if three hard disks, an MO, a SyQuest, a
>> streamer, and a CD-ROM drive qualify as "two and more".
>
>Hmm. Have you been rewiring your GVP? 3HD + 1 MO + 1 SyQuest
>+ 1 streamer + 1 CD-ROM make 7 devices. According to the GVP
>manual, one can only have 6 devices on the Series-II since
>the host adapter itself uses ID 7... Pray tell me how you
>have done this... 
>
>CYa, Paul
                                                                              
It's easy. On every SCSI controller, you've got the IDs from 0 (zero) to 7
(seven). Arithmetic says that this are 8 (eight) IDs. So you can connect 
seven devices to one controller. So there's no big deal and no magic involved.

Greetings,
		Hanno
                                                                              
                                                                              
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