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From: mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr (Mendez Marc)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ReOrg ever fatally messed up?
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:51:44 GMT
Organization: LMI (LaBRI University Bordeaux France)
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Sam Hulick (shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had ReOrg trash their HD?  I can't afford a decent backup
> method for my HD, but it needs defragmenting.
> 
> -- 
>     // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
>    // 68030 25 MHz /__/\ \ My opinions wear combat boots.  Or whatever.
> \\// OS 2.04       \__\/ / "Walk!  Not bloody likely.  I am going in a
>  \/                     / taxi."  --George Bernard Shaw

YES, and nobody wants to believe me because they think it's smashing.
It may, but I think it has a few bugs.
My HD has 3 partitions : System 10 Mo, Work 50 Mo, Soft 40Mo. When I
use ReOrg on Work, all is fine until the last second. It tells me the
optimization will be over in 1 second, it leaves 1% (or something like
that byt very small, I don't remember), but the second lasts .....
more than half an hour ! That's strange because it's fast (maybe too
fast ?), the time indication seems to be true. Well, that's my
problem, is it the same ?

Marc.


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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A2320 Display Enhancer and AmigaDOS 2.05 problems
Summary: Please provide more info
Keywords: a2320 display enhancer
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:02:43 GMT
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In <C015y5.Brp@space.physics.uiowa.edu> dyson@sunfish.physics.uiowa.edu (Richard L. Dyson) writes:
>According to the A2320
>manual (pg. 10), I should use a slightly different adjustment procedure
>than WB 1.3/non-ECS users.  If I follow their instructions, my computer
>GURUs.  If I follow the instructions for a WB 1.3 machine, it doesn't
>GURU.

Could describe at what point in the process your machine gurus, and what
the guru number is?

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From: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Custom HD Icons
Summary: DIY
Keywords: disk icons hd
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1ic44qINNa7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> ag@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Andy Garton) writes:
>I have an A1200 with 60MB IDE hard drive and (obviously) WorkBench 3.
>
>I have seen in various magazine screen shots of WB screens different icons 
>for the SYS: and WORK: hard drive partitions.  I am getting the normal floppy 
>icons however.  I can't find a solution in my manual (possibly because the 
>A1200 is supplied with only half the manuals I actually need :-().
>
>How do I change these icons? 

Er, well, the solution is in the manual we *did* give you: you just fire up
IconEdit and create one! :-)  

Sorry, I know that wasn't the answer you wanted.  The "official" HD icons 
are not really stored anywhere in the system like the five default icon 
types are.  They are just on the HDs you get from us (or that you prepare 
with our SW).  You could copy the disk.info file from the HD of someone 
with 2.0, if you don't feel artistically inclined.

As for not getting a full manual set, I've been accepting net.wrath for that
cost-cutting measure recently (on behalf of those actually responsible, I
mean).  We're working on a way for you to be able to acquire the manuals 
you did not receive with the A1200.  

>Andy Garton                                                 ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com
>Software Development Engineer
>Hewlett Packard Ltd

Hey, don't they give you Snakes to play with at home?

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From: kuschel@ecf.toronto.edu (KUSCHEL BORIS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: BBS for Amiga in Toronto
Summary: List of bbs in toronto for amiga?
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:41:40 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: toronto,canada
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Keywords: 

Is there anyone who could list a few bbs's for the Amiga in the Toronto area? Or some 800 numbers for the amiga   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Great feature in 1200 (3.0?)
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:01:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.084803.20756@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <1iqvv9INNnmp@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>
><talk about the 8 second reboot on Guru Errors deleted>
>
>>Anyone know if this feature is on the A4000?
>
>I have never really checked, but I suspect it is so.  I've never come in
>to find my A4000 with a flashing guru erro message, yet I know it had
>crashed at some point.  Next time, I'll watch it and see.

I just managed to cause a guru and it does indeed reboot after a few
seconds.  A nice feature, but I don't encounter many gurus, despite the
fact that the A4000 runs 24 hours a day.  It's ironic that this feature
finally shows up when the machines are much less guru prone...  :-)

>>	Thanks
>>	Robert Fentiman
>>
>>UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
>>At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
>
Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:48:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

Part of the reason for companies ignoring the Amiga is apparently
						       ^^^^^^^^^^
because C= would not give them the help or fianancial investment they wanted
incase things didn`t sell. If this is true isn`t it a bit short sighted of C= ?

And even if not true then C= should be working its guts out on getting some
decent productivity software on the Amiga. When I worked during the summer
I realised how completely rubbish and EXTREMELY outdated Amiga stuff is.
The A1200 could match Quatro Pro and Lotus stuff and the investment needed
wouldn`t be too much if the original companies did them because they have
already written the program once. Most people would buy these programs as
there is NO competition.

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From: lgibb@burner.com (Lance Gibb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Fish Disk past 780??
Date: 10 Jan 93 08:32:47 MST
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

Where can I FTP fish disks past #780?  All the sites I frequent have up
to 780 but not beyond - there are a few files on 784 and 785 that I
would like to get.
(Please leave the numerical address of the FTP site as well as its name)
 
Thanks in advance!

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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga User Manuals (was Re: Commodity question)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:25:25 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1993Jan5.173418.6494@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  What do people think of the ARexx section of the WB 2.0+ manual set?
>  I thought it was pretty horrible.  And I'm an experienced C, C++,
>  FORTRAN programmer.

	That's what happens when a computer language manual is written like
a reference manual.  You can't learn a language when the syntax is presented
to you in alphabetical order.

>The book by Zamara "Using ARexx on the Amiga" was a lot more informative and
>instructive, in my opinion.

	Yes, that's a good book:  it groups the commands very conveniently
by category and makes a great reference.  The index is horrible, though.
The individual functions aren't indexed -- instead, they're all under
"Function."  And it gets worse from there.

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:03:43 GMT

In article <C0n89n.A42@newcastle.ac.uk> I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>
>In article <stefan.35w3@terapin.com>, stefan@terapin.com (Stefan Eguizabal) writes:
>> From an Amiga user (and lover) to anyone:
>>         Why is it that all the big PC and Macintosh devolopers seem to be
>> ignoring the Amiga? Don't big companies like Microsoft, Claris, Lotus, and
>> Cricket realize what a treasure a community like the Amiga is? Many Amiga users
>> are desperate for good productivity software, and yet are adamant about not
>> going over to IBM or Apple, because the Amiga is definitely the superior
>> computer. I am one of those. If Microsoft came out with Word or Excel today, I
>> would go out and buy it, no matter how much it cost, because programs like
>> Professional Calc (Gold Disk), and MaxiPlan (The Disc Comapany) are like big
>> jokes...they're really pathetic! Somebody, please, you've got to know!
>
>The only way to convince, say Microsoft to do this would be to convince them that
>there would be sufficient return.
>
>If such companies would wake up to the size of the European Amiga market, I think
>they would soon change their minds.

   Word Perfect Corp. 'woke up to the size of the European Amiga market' and
paid the price for it.  They spent lots of money developing a German-language
version of Amiga WordPerfect and sold it in Germany.  Almost nobody bought
it.

   The problem with the Amiga's base in Europe is that it is composed almost
entirely of A500 owners who do not buy productivity software.  If a big
company did develop Amiga versions of their software in European languages,
they would lose lots and lots of money because none of the Amiga owners in
Europe would buy it.  Amigoids in Europe are far more likely to buy 
Lemmings II than a graphical Word Perfect for the Amiga.

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From: jeper@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: New program: CaveComm
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:51:19 EST
Organization: No such thing as organization. Life is chaos!

In article <C0oB4v.Jp6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>
>Me release CaveComm, version one.  Ugh!  Send smelly smoke signals to
>another person.  Careful, smoke is kind that attract
>megaterafloparoundtyrus, flying goat that eat everything.  Bug should be
>fixed in next version.  Also, if you away on important bashing, CaveComm
>log incoming message by making wife angry with extra smelly smoke.  Now
>you never forget important message!  Best of all, CaveComm as portable
>as dragging wife by hair.
>
>Me generous, and include source code:
>
><---<<  O           ^    OOOO
>      --|-- oOo(   /    OOo
>        |         /    OOO
>       / \       /     oOO
>   \\               .ooO
>  ///\   >:(       .      =8@  <-- This ugly wife after smelling smoke.
>  /\//\           /^\'              Huh huh huh huh!
>                 //\\/
>

Is this message politically correct? NOT! :) Where can I see this new term
program? I'm in the market to buy a new one. That is if it good. I mean
really good.

--
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        (Jim Perkowski)
kentcomm!jeper@legend.akron.oh.us
kentcomm!jeper@aldhfn.akron.oh.us
  (Where am I when I need me?!)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: pejanes@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Peter Janes)
Subject: Re: Blank keys on the A1200?
Keywords: Amiga 1200 blank keys
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:28:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.065322.23679@netcom.com> eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
>[wonderfully informative explanation by Dr. Peter Kittel for the presence
>of the blank keys on the A1200 keyboard deleted]
>
[description of cursing keyboard deleted 8-)]

Before I start, I haven't tried this.... (but it should work 8-)

Why not use a keymap editor/commodity to map the additional keys to Shift
and Return?  That way, even if you missed one or the other, you'd still get
the right keystroke....

Just a thought,
-- 
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 (pejanes@descartes.uwaterloo.ca)//  | "Oh, Mr. Perception, Sam-I-Am...."
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:44:30 -0500 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Commodity question
	<38444@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Distribution: world

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 9-Jan-93 Re: Commodity
question Ross H. - Manuals@cbmvax (2885)


> Still, I am only quibbling.  Your basic point is valid.  I'll look into how
> we could improve our docs to take account of possible newbie reaction to 
> unexplained disk contents.


You could just consistently put a "contents" file on the disk, and a
pointer to it in the manual.
It could even have a line or two about each program.  It's not worth
putting every little monitor, library, datatype, keymap etc in the
printed docs - the utility gained wouldn't be worth the oxygen
production lost from the trees.

Of course, people could then worry about virii messing with the contents file.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:19768 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:8655
From: unseen@mcl.ucsb.edu (Charles F. Kane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: PD/Shareware structured drawing progs?
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:46:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc

Can anyone direct me to a PD/shareware structured drawing program? Preferably
compatible with ProDraw, but not essential.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:19809 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:22846 comp.sys.amiga.tech:200
From: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Subject: help with hda-506
Reply-To: "thomas napier" <thomas.napier@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:53:09 EST

Hi there, I have an HDA-506 by Spirit technologies. It's an autobooting
hard drive controller that uses an RLL or MFM hard drive (1 or 2 drives).
As you can imagine, the hard drive system is quite old. but never the less
it works flawlessly under 2.04 in rom (fast file system/ofs boot
partition. However its come to my attention that there is an update for
the software driver (STDISK.DEVICE) that will allow me to use 68030
accelerators. My current STDISK.DEVICE version is 1.2, does anyone have an
HDA-506 and if so could I get the newer driver above 1.2?

thanks
      Thomas Napier

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: hjolly@triton.unm.edu (henry s  jolly)
Subject: Re: SoundZAP
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 18:11:05 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <C0GHtJ.4qu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
>
>what's this for?
>

It will convert .voc and .wav to amiga format. So, you can play IBM 
sound files on your Amiga.
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: REVIEW: AmigaDOS version 2.1
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:39:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu
Keywords: OS, system software, 2.1, Commodore, commercial

One question.

I'm running Workbench 2.0 (not 2.04) on an Amiga 3000.  Is it possible simply
to purchase the AmigaDOS 2.1 upgrade, or do I need new ROMs as well?
That point is a little confusing to me...


Otherwise, a fine review.  Thanks...

-- 
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 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: accs1@bagheera.mumath
Subject: Re: Commodity question
Reply-To: accs1@bagheera.mumath
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 12:41:26 GMT


In article 10372@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <crystal.724659529@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
> >In <rschuler.724653094@pv0221.vincent.iastate.edu> rschuler@iastate.edu (Rodney A Schuler) writes:
> >
> >>RTFM (read the FINE manual)
> >
> >Uh, if I may interject here... ?
> >
> >Many times I've found that the manuals written by *programmers* are difficult
> >for the non-programmers/casual users to decipher.  
>
>Sorry, wrong in this case. All the Amiga user manuals are *not* written
>by the programmers but by docs specialists.
>
>-- 
>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
>Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!


I bet the German version of the docs have been translated by doc specialists without
technical (computer) background. So, the ideal would be to have a technician
trained to write docs.

Frank
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: wlrobert@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (william lester roberts)
Subject: Re: Notebook
Summary: Experiance with Notebook
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:57:58 GMT

I have used Notebook for several months now.  I find it useful as a, well,
on line notebook.  I will run it in the background during program development.
That way, it is handy for making notes and drawings of things I want to 
member during testing, later modifications, etc.  My workspace is too 
cluttered for a regular paper and pencle notebook.  And the notes don't 
get seperated from the directory where the development is going on.

The program could use some real improvement in human interface.  It uses 
some not very self evidant icons, no pull down menus, propritary file
requesters.  The type is rather small on the screen.  The screen contains a
sheet of notebook paper, shrunk down to fit on the right side of the screen,
plus a large field of icons.  This makes the wysiwyg sheet of paper have very
difficult to read text unless you use a large font.  The screen is interlaced,
but the colors are well chosen to cut down on flicker.  

If you can get the program for $30-40 (US) range, it is ok.  Any more is
priced too high.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:19696 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:22722
From: unseen@mcl.ucsb.edu (Charles F. Kane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Update: SCSI DAISY-CHAINING PROBLEMS
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:49:23 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc



Thanks for the help re: terminators. I tried the approved method of       
terminator set-up (last drive terminated ONLY), but the system would not
even boot with that setup.  
I've tried the following set-ups that did not work:

SCSI interface----> Quantum HD(terminated)----> Seagate HD(terminated)
SCSI Interface----> Quantum HD(NOT terminated)---->Seagate HD(terminated)
SCSI Interface----> Quantum HD(NOT terminated)

The only setup that works flawlessly is 

SCSI Interface----> Quantum HD(terminated)


Any further suggestions, or should I just drop that Seagate off the nearest
available skyscraper?  :)

	Thanks for your help!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Here's an idea for a different ring-detect
Originator: shulick@cineret
Reply-To: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:59:20 GMT


I saw RD today.. pretty nice, but I'm sure what TONS of people would
love is a ring-detector that works while you're online.  I always say to
myself.. "Is that line-noise or an incoming call" (I have call-waiting).
Would it be easy to make a prog that detects that 'boop' sound when you
have another call, and notify the user 'You have a call waiting.' ?  I'm
sure piles of people would like to have such a program.

-- 
    // Amiga 3000   ___ \ Sam Hulick: shulick@indiana.edu (NeXTmail OK!)
   // 68030 25 MHz /__/\ \ My opinions wear combat boots.  Or whatever.
\\// OS 2.04       \__\/ / "Walk!  Not bloody likely.  I am going in a
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: ler@lerami.lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Subject: Re: Great feature in 1200 (3.0?)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:11:30 GMT
Organization: Larry Rosenman's personal SVR4 Box

In article <1iqvv9INNnmp@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>In article <C0oAxF.JHE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>:In article <griffita.726704390@sfu.ca>, griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes...
>:>There's a great feature that I just discovered in my new A1200.  If
>:>you manage to guru the machine, it displays the flashing guru box on
>:>the screen as usual, but it REBOOTS after 8 seconds!!!!
> 
>:>Wonderfull!  Great!!! Thank-you Commodore!!!  I've been waiting a LONG
>:>time for an Amiga which can recover from a guru error without anyone
>:>clicking the mouse!!!
>:> 
>:>BBS Operators throughout the world thank you for this one!!!
>
>Anyone know if this feature is on the A4000?
It is a feature of V39 (3.0) of the AmigaOS.  It will be in ANY computer supporting
3.0. 

the timeout is actually adjustable in ExecBase.
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