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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: name beginning with M
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:36:19 -0600
Organization: Delco Electronics Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>in article: <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com> Alice Bertelson
> wrote: 
>IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID
>but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M
>that we BOTH like!!

How'bout

Maria & variations (Mary, Mariah, Myriam, Mariam)

Marina (i.e. Marina Sirtis, aka counselor Troi on ST-TNG)

Myrna

Megan

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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns)
Subject: Re: Developmental Milestones: Survey
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:18:44 GMT

In article <1jpl9eINNho3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen) writes:
>
>A bit off the subject, but I have a comment about the parenting
>books and their opinions on where babies should be developmentally
>at certain ages.  For the most part I've found that these books
>report milestone "averages" that are way behind the averages I
>observe from my own kids, friends' kids, family's kids, and the
>general public I run into.  For instance, (as Diane Segelhorst
>wrote) one of the books reports that kids sit unassisted on
>average at 9 months.  I don't know many kids who weren't doing
>this by 6-7 months.  My guess is the books do this to make
>parents feel particularly confident about their children who
>are excelling :) and also to avoid alarming parents whose kids
>might be a bit slow but not dangerously slow (i.e. doesn't need
>to be examined for abnormalities).
>  
>Andi    (Mom to Aaron, Alexander, and 3 wee ones due 3/93)

Well, I know my baby and two others (and all the parents work in professional,
pretty high-tech workplaces, lest you think it is a cause of environmental
influences) who have been consistently behind the averages given in the 
books. This is a subject of interest to me because of this. It causes me to 
worry, for one thing, although the doctor has been supportive. It also makes 
me worry when I see the baby at my son's daycare who is younger and more 
active and alert. Believe me, we are doing everything we can to maximize 
the attention and stimulation we give him, and are changing daycare 
situations partly because of that. 

Has anyone else noticed that "Infants and Mothers" by Brazelton and "What 
to Expect the First Year" seem to present different speeds of development
as the average? Austin is a few weeks behind the latter but months behind 
the former! I haven't looked at "Your Baby and Child" lately.

I'm reading about emotional development right now and I'll post soon on it.
It's an interesting subject!

Ashley Burns =-= Info Services, OARnet =-= Columbus, Ohio =-= ashley@oar.net
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for vacation suggestions in CA with 18MO
Followup-To: misc.kids
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:02:52 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

My husband and I want to take a vacation (one week max) here in
California this summer with David, who will then be about 18
months. We've been thinking of going to Big Sur and getting a
cabin at Big Sur Lodge for a few days and trying to do some short
day hikes. I also vaguely remember a small creek running through
there that might be fun to play in.

We really like being outdoors, but don't want to camp. Does
anyone have any suggestions of places to go? Do you think the
above idea would work? We'd like to be able to drive from the SF
Bay Area.

Also, we just don't have much idea what we'll be able to do with
David by then. Right now (at one year) he'll go for a hike with
us, riding in a backpack, for about 30 minutes max before he gets
very unhappy.  He's a really active and strong-willed little guy,
and from what I read, he's only going to be more so at 18 months.
We don't want to spend the whole vacation fighting him, or
hanging out in a cabin with him! So I need some encouragement ---
will it be possible to go and have fun? What will he like to do?
And where might we go where we could all enjoy ourselves?

Thanks in advance,

Lindsay

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   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
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From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:18:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: ??!??

In article <1993Jan25.210809.864535@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer) writes:
>In article <C18Eq5.1CH@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> brett@sr.hp.com () writes:
>>Nancy M. Schnepp (ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu) wrote:
>>> I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
>>> of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  
>>
>>I realize this may sound a bit cold, but is there anything wrong with giving
>>them what everyone else is having and if they don't want it they go hungry?
>
>What is "wrong" with it is that it sets up a power struggle over food.  It is
>the dictates of an authoritarian parent telling his child "eat this or go
>hungry".  

What?!   It is more like a parent (who does the shopping & cooking, and
is feeding him/her self & a spouse in addition to the children) saying,
"here is a reasonable selection of food; eat what you want".  It is
also saying, "the family meals are not going to be held ransom to
what we consider overly-picky eating".  After a while, kids might
realize that they are not going to constantly dictate family meals &
actually learn to like something--my 5-yr old is now a big fan of
fish, for instance, while he wouldn't even touch it a year ago.  My
daughter turned up her nose at brown rice at first but has now decided
that it is indeed edible. 

My older two kids (especially the eldest) are extremely picky eaters.
I wouldn't put an entire meal on the table that my daughter wouldn't
eat, but we do, for example, serve fish & rice & brocolli knowning that
she will only eat rice & maybe some brocolli if she is really hungry.
My husband also, BTW, will cook up steak & rice & brocolli knowning
that _I_ will eat only rice and brocolli. 

And then there's my youngest, who will eat anything up to and
including the cat food, if we let him.

Sue
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they say [9 yo about 3 yo)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:36:23 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

One of my coworkers is pregnant. She currently has 2 boys (ages 11 and 13) and
one girl (age 9). Her daughter, Beverly, had been insisting that she wanted
a a baby sister so she wouldn't be the only girl.

Last weekend, I spent a day at their house working on the oldest son's 
computer, and Beverly got to play with Angelica (age 3) all day.

My coworker says that the minute we left, Beverly said "I don't want a sister
any more. Baby girls are too pushy. They just keep telling you 'Do this!'
'Do that!' And never let you do what you want to do."

Lucky for my coworker, too, because her amnio results came in a couple of
days later and she's having another boy.

Susan


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Helping a sensitive child
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:49:33 GMT

In a recent misc.kids article, jamie@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Jamie Cashin) wrote:
>
>>The other problem for 
>>him is that there are 2 boys in his class who are "rough" in his words,
>>and teachers at times yell at them. He cannot take this. He gets very
>>upset when teachers yell at another kid.
>
>I think you should explore this further...  mayve a baby sitter has been
>yelling at him, or something.. the only reason I can see that he would get
>upset at yelling, is it triggers some unhappy memory.. and it seems to be
>recent, right?

I think it's a good idea to explore this further, but I caution you
against assuming that his upset is due to an unhappy memory. 

When I was about 6 and my brother was about 4, my parents left us with
my grandmother for a few hours, including lunchtime. My brother told
my grandmother he did not want PB&J, he wanted baloney and catsup. My
grandmother went ballistic. She yelled at him and told him he was being
sassy and that no child was going to tell her what to do. Scott cried
and then shrugged it off. I, on the other hand, was still pale and
shaky when my parents came home two hours later. I had never heard
anyone yell like that and I was *very* upset.

I had no bad memories of being yelled at; it was the fact that I had
never seen someone yell at anyone else that was so upsetting. 

As to what the original poster should do, here's what I did in a similar
situation, where Alison (then 7) was not comfortable with the way her
teacher was expressing her anger (which was by being sarcastic, which
I didn't care for, but which was far outweighed by this teacher's good
qualities): We role-played, where she would pretend to misbehave and
I would say something sarcastic.

This seemed to help her discomfort by making the behaviour seem less
alien. Alison, of course, tried to use that technique to express her
anger, but I was just clear with her that it wasn't an acceptable
behaviour in our family. Even though we couldn't make the teacher
stop acting that way, and had to work together to find ways for
Alison to cope with the behaviour.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com
From: jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles)
Subject: Re: Toddler biting and AIDS transmission
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:02:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.152031.2566@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_markwort@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>My 17 month old was bitten by another toddler in her day-care class.
>This boy has bitten at least one other child I know of. (Both bites drew blood)
>The day care providers are contemplating requesting AIDS testing on the
>biter if the bitten's parents request it. Does  anyone have any experience
>with similar situations. Initially I didn't think it necessary, but
>I really don't know the family of this little boy. 
>Thanks,
>Mary 
>c/o f_markwort@ccsvax.sfasu.edu

I think it is an appropriate reaction.  My daughter has been bitten
ALOT at daycare and I finally went non-linear over it, especially
since working in the medical field and finding out their are young
children popping up with aids and no explaination for it.

My child was repeatedly bitten by the same child.  The parents were
not doing anything about it.  I feel if the parents of a biter are
forced to get and pay for expensive aids testing each time the child
bites, they will work harder to correct the problem.

Biting can no longer be taken lightly.  Not at this time in history.

Jackie Giles

ps.  I suggested this to the daycare overseer who discussed testing
with the parents.  Low and behold, my daughter has not been biten
since.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: "I love Mommy ONLY" problem w/ 3 yo
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:49:54 GMT

I have a near 3 year old daughter who has been throwing FITS (and I do mean
FITS) when I take her to child care or when I attempt to put her to bed or
drive the car, or do anything with her when her mom is available to do the same
task. This is becoming a problem because my wife ends up putting her to bed,
taking her to daycare, AND picking her up, etc.

What we did this morning was let her have her fit, my wife left for work, and I
waited her fit out. She then got in the car by herself and everything was fine.
Last night we took her mom to school, she had a fit because she was leaving. I
waited the fit out, then she got back into her car seat and we spent the
evening together having fun. But geez, there must be something I can do to
change this behaviour.

Anyway, is this behaviour typical? Does it last long? Anyone have suggestions
on how to handle this? Am I doing the right thing by waiting the fit out? (I
dont think I have any other recourse) Any help would be appreciated.

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
*****************************************************************

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Thumb Sucking
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:04:17 GMT

In article <1jpgadINNch9@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>In article <1jpc5mINNs0e@mizar.usc.edu> biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
>>Well, this probably isn't what you want to hear ... but my younger sister 
>>sucked her thumb all the way through college! She finally stopped (so she
>>says) when she got married at age 29.
>Now, a little boy might not be so easily swayed with the same bribe  ;o)
>but if he's still sucking his thumb in a couple of years, there may
>well be something else that he _really_ _really_ wants that would
>make a good bribe.  I wouldn't try it with a 5-yr old, though.

My son was also a thumb-sucker, and I didn't give it NEARLY as much thought
and worry as his grandparents and aunts and uncles and teachers and just
about everybody he came in contact with did, including store clerks ("hunny,
does that thumby taste GOOD?  You're going to need braces!!") and strangers
on the street.

I guess I took the wuss way out.  When he was 5.5, he went out to Phoenix
for five weeks to visit his dad and returned without the habit, narry a
trace.  Even that callous on his thumb was gone.  I didn't ask, I don't CARE,
he doesn't run screaming from butcher knives, so whatever they did out there
they must have done right.
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From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street toy (was Re: Fun stuff with kids)
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:58:10 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software

In article 153609CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu, CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>
>Well, let's take a poll!  Doug's (now 16 mos) first success at this toy was
>with the pull lever.  And like Billy, mastered Ernie (the button) pretty
>quickly thereafter.  He still can't manipulate the turn switch (Cookie Monster)
>but can get the other two pretty well.
>
>Let's hear it from other owners of the "poppin pals"--which was the first for
>your child, the hardest?

Danika, at nearly 9 mos, gets the dial (Oscar) and occasionally, the push button
(Ernie). The others I open, and she closes the doors.  She twiddles with the lever
(Bert), but it's very sticky and she can't pull hard enough on it yet.

Alison
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Straightforward breastfeeding question
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:58:15 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

this isn't a technical answer, either, but I do think that as the baby
gets older and stronger that they can drink it down more quickly.

Katherine never nursed for more than 5-10 minutes a side, and was
something like 90th percentile all infancy. Her nursing did space out
(and get closer together again during growth spurts) and she ate
solids, but not in great quantity until she was a toddler. The amount
of time we spent during a nursing session didn't seem to increase
except during those growing spurts.

Robin, on the other hand, is a boy in about the 90th percentile, and
he took to eating solids very well around 7 months or something. He
eats 3-4 meals a day, and nurses 5-7 times a day - before bed, before
naps (2 a day), and early in the morning, and once during the night.
If I make sure to feed him well before bedtime, we've sometimes
skipped the middle of the night feeding. But usually he's too busy to
take much time to nurse, I'd guess we usually do 5 minutes a side.


-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Starting bedtime rituals (Was: A few Questions)
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 16:46:30 MST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brigham Young University

Kelley asked if bathing baby every 4-6 days only is normal and
okay.  Well, I bath Emily about that often (she is 5 months),
mainly because I can't find a good reason to do it more often.
I wash her bottom off when it is messy, and her face also,
but only give her a real bath when I feel like playing in the
bathtub with her.  I hope we aren't the only ones who don't
bathe the baby every day.  My ped. said it was okay not to
bathe her every day, so I don't.
--Ellen
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Kid's View of Politics
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:30:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Now that Bill Clinton is President, I noticed that my 9-year-old is
taking a much greater interest in what goes on in Washington.  I think
having campaigned during the election (he was right beside me handing out
brochures and buttons until the zero hour) gives him a sense of
having worked hard for a cause with results.

Also, part of his interest could be because there is a child in the
White House for the first time in his life!  It can be amusing to hear
a youngster's spin on what he thinks the President should or shouldn't do,
and some of it makes such wholesome sense, but it's still evident that
he needs to pay attention in social studies:

Chris:  "Mom, why did Zoe Beard (sic) quit?"
Mom, only half-paying attention:  "Because she hired aliens."
Chris:  "?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
Mom, paying FULL attention:  "No not THAT kind.  People that came here
                              without a ..."
Chris:  "Passport?"

Well, we're getting there ...


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From: kfreytag@mdtf14 (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Re: It's a Boy!
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:33:36 GMT

barter,elizabeth (bab2@nestor.cc.bellcore.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.225705.25891@rayssd.ssd.ray.com>, d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Denise M. Boudria) writes:
: > In article <1jk4opINN6fd@male.EBay.Sun.COM> valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge) writes:
: > >How about Conan (combo of Conner and -an)
: > How about Dylan??
: > 
: > Denise
: How about Rowan, Kieran, Evan, or Rogan (gaelic for redhead, btw)?

: Beth

How about Ian? That's what Becky would have been, if she hadn't been
Rebecca :^).

--
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Babysitting horrors (funny)
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:52:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.200210.15278@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (Jackie Brady) writes:
 
> babysitting story deleted
 
I babysat one night for a couple who were up the street at my parents house.
After all the kids were in bed and settled down, somebody rang the doorbell.
I peeked out a couple of windows, but couldn't see anybody.  I figured that
it was neighborhood kids, so I went about my business.  A while later the
doorbell rang again.  Nobody was there this time either and I thought it was
strange that Baron (the big German Shepherd who lived there) wasn't barking.
So, I called Mom and said "Send Dean home, somebody is ringing the doorbell
and I can't see anyone.  I'm scared."  Mom relayed the message to Dean and
pretty soon I heard a lot of laughing.  I didn't like that, I was scared and
they were laughing????  Soon Mom said "Go let Baron in."  I said NO, I wasn't
going to open the door.  She said "Baron wants in.  He rings the doorbell
when he wants in."  Sure enough, I opened the door and there was Baron laying
on the mat wondering why everyone was ignoring him.  So, everything turned
out all right and everyone at my parents house had a good laugh.
 
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
> >While I can understand your concern about AIDS and all, I don't
> >think this is particularly good advice. The boys in the original
> >post were, what, 11 years old? And while you could argue that kids
> >are having sex earlier&earlier, I would counter-argue that telling
> >an 11 year old boy's mother that you saw him engaged in sexplay with
> >one of his male friends would be _A LOT_ more harmful than helpful...
> 
> I see your point.  It would be bad for parents to go non-linear about 
> this incident, and this could be harmful to the kids.  But if 
> it's the case that parents can't deal with their kids sexuality, then
> there is every likelihood that a stealthy approach rather than a direct
> one would fail.  The parents will very likely ignore a suggestion to 
> talk to the kids about sex.  Many people are embarassed to talk about 
> sex with their kids.  I think that it is too important that kids get 
> the information they need to make wise decisions about sex.  Giving 
> information is the parents' job and they are failing their kids if they 
> don't do this job; when the kids are experimenting with sex, they are
> in danger of their lives if they do not know the facts.  If telling the parent
> about the incident is needed to spur her into action, then I think
> this should be done.  But certainly an abbridged account of what happened,
> rather than a detailed one, would be in order.  
> 
> In the case that the parent is very open and communicates well with her 
> child on sensitive topics, and you are certain that a stealthy approach 
> will definitely achieve the desired effect (ie. that parents talks to kid 
> about sex), then I agree this would be better.  But even in this case,
> I would follow up with the parents to make sure that they talk to the kid.  
> This is a dangerous world and it is irrelevant in my mind that the kids 
> were only 11 (or whatever).

Thing is, if I'm reading your words correctly, you're saying that

- Parents who _can't_ deal with their kids' sexuality should be told
  that their kids are indulging in sex play, and

- Parents who _can_ deal with their kids' sexuality don't need to be
  told that their kids are indulging in sex play.

There's something wrong with this.

In any event, getting back to the original question: should I "tell"
or "not tell" if I come across a friend's children indulging in pre-
teen sex play, I'd say it's important to realize that _they aren't my
kids_. Making a stealthy suggestion to the parents that their kids
might be developing sexually is about as far as I personally would
feel comfortable sticking my nose into their business.

Craig

Not the opinion of my employer.
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