From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu 
Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:50:47 GMT

Michael C. Neuman writes
-> In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu  
(Lee  
-> Furnival) writes:
-> >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times
-> >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason.  What
-> >the hell?  Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a
-> >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others...
-> 
->   NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers:
-> 1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT, 
-> whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high 
-> performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!)
-> 2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a
-> variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to 
-> buy a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed,
-> and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports
-> them anyway!)



	How much would it cost you to upgrade that Sun with all the nice  
things. Bunches I bet.


-> 3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their
-> Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the  
number
-> of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps  
written 
-> on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in  
Objective-C 
-> DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0  
applications
-> on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and
-> consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I  
remember,
-> when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had  
inferior
-> hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an  
Amiga--with
-> just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object-
-> oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats,
-> everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only
-> use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated
-> to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their  
college-kid
-> market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.)

	Horse pucky! 95% of all free X apps are just pain junk. The nice apps  
are not free and will cost you an arm and a leg. Anyone know how much a  
development pkg costs that will run under X on the Sun. Don't forget it needs  
to have all the tools that the NeXT has.

-> 4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you
-> consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real'
-> computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate?
-> 

	The user interface is EVERYTHING when it comes to working (using or  
developing) on a computer. If you spent hours fumbling with a crappy interface  
it doesn't matter how fast you can compile. Sure the NeXT may not be as fast as  
a Sun but it definitly gets the overall job done quicker.

If you want an NFS server buy a Sun. If you wan't to get something done buy a  
NeXT.

-> --
->         Mike Neuman                mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu
->   "To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto
->  
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-> * Maintainer: NeXT netrek archive--b62103.student.cwru.edu:/pub/games/netrek  
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