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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:55:00 GMT

If your newspaper has an article about _Sex_ and censorship, please
consider sending the article to the _Newsletter on Intellectual
Freedom_. (Please send them other newspaper reports of challenges and
censorship, too. They've printed at least one computer censorship
report.)

This rest of this article is a repost from October, 1991:

========================

The American Library Assocation has a bimonthly newsletter that
reports on censorship (of all kinds). To report censorship to them
send a copy of a newspaper articles that documents the censorship to:

                              Newsletter on Intellectual Freedom
                              Office for Intellectual Freedom
                              American Library Association
                                  50 East Huron Street
                                   Chicago, IL  60611

If the censorship involves academic computers, I'd also love to get a
copy of relevant newspapers articles. Send me email for mailing
information.

- Carl

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.sex,rec.arts.books
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:08:05 GMT

jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,...) writes:
}Three libraries in Iowa, that I know of, have ordered the book.

}There was a vocal complaint in Des Moines, and I don't know how things will
}end there.

Mayor and City Council got all bent out of shape - told library board to
reconsider - library board reconsidered (rather briefly :) - decided to keep.
(library board has final say)

}In Cedar Rapids,...
}In Iowa City,...

In Ames, "We have to look out for a wide variety of interests in Ames,
         the library should be a place of access, not restriction."
         Dawn Hayslett, Asst Dir Ames Public Library (as quoted by _ISU Daily_)
         (it will be on the shelves after all the people on the reserve list
         return it, probably many months from now).

The ISU Library does not have a copy,
         "The intellectual freedom issue is not really a problem,
         it's more a lack of requests."
         Gordon Rowley, Asst Dir for Collections, ISU Library (_ISU Daily_)

John
-- 
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Systems Software Engineer
Project Vincent
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: maxwell@fnalf.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: what good will come of this
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:48:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalf.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

niklasf@dhhalden.no (NIKLAS FREDN) asks:
> I don't know if this has been brought up yet (or if there is reason
> to), but as I have understood Clinton's vice president, Gore, is 
> married to Tipper Gore!?
> 
> It's been a while since I've heard anything from her, but doesn't she
> want to ban just about everything she finds offensive? How will the
> situation in the US become now when she's got one foot in the 
> White House?


I got the impression that Tipper has mellowed out and is real sorry for ever
getting involved w/ the record labelling stuff at all.

I've also heard that Zappa says she's feeling much better now. I respect Frank
Zappa enormously, so for now, unless I hear otherwise, I consider her redeemed.


regards.max
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:26:53 GMT
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

In article <s0454850.20.0@let.rug.nl> s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger) writes:
>Hi there!

Hi!

>	'Where does censorship start

With someone, anyone, thinking that an idea is so dangerous or offensive
that it is necessary to ask the government to step in and prevent that
idea from being expressed.

>        & where does it stop?'

With government control of ideas, thought, and expression.

>An example: as far as I know, the only book in Holland which is forbidden 
>by the law is Adolf Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' (probably translated in English 
>as 'My camp'  or something like that). There are people here, who think that 

(Mein Kampf = My Struggle)

>you shouldn't do that. On the contrary, this book should be used 
>in schools, to show how easy something can start & how terrible it can 
>end (did it ever end? --> several anti-semitic & racial fights in Germany, 
>Italy, a bomb in a mosk in Holland, etc.)

Actually, "Mein Kampf" was in our high school library (the high school
I went to was kind of strange...).  I read it.  It taught me why fascism
is wrong.  It also taught me that Mr. Schicklegruber was no better a 
writer than he was a painter.

Joe


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From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: UK Press Council (was: photomanipulation)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:08:32 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.

In <BxILwB.EE9@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk sez:
>
>During the UK miners' strike of the mid-80s, Murdoch's "Sun" ran an image
>of the miners' leader Arthur Scargill addressing a rally: he was holding
>both hands straight out, palms down, in the usual gesture to call for
>quiet.  The "Sun" cropped away his left hand and added a text that
>suggested he was giving a Nazi salute.  The Press Council (a newspaper
>watchdog body of astonishing gutlessness) eventually ordered the "Sun" to
>print a retraction.

I may be misremembering -- and I trust Jack to correct me if I've
erred -- but when I lived in the British Isles some years back the
Press Council was also charged with levying fines for "hate speech" in
the press.  Specifically, papers are forbidden to use derogatory
racial or ethnic terms (in headlines, if not in copy).  London's
champion complainant about this type of press slur -- an American, as
I recall -- persuaded the PC to fine one of the papers several hundred
pounds for repeated use of terms like "CHINKY" and "PAKI" on its front
page.


-- 
        1992 Awards for Yeoman Service to the Democratic Party:
1st prize: Pat Buchanan  2nd prize: Craig Fuller  3rd prize: James Baker
	 Honorable mention: Rich "They aren't Americans" Bond
      * Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck *
From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Photo manipulation
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:56:16 GMT
Distribution: alt.censorship
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

The following message was sent to me in e-mail.  The poster intended to
post it and sent it to me by accident.  He asked if I could post it
for him.  So here it is....

----------------------------------------------------------------
Message 3/117  From Nigel Aves                         Nov 12 '92 at 3:40 pm mst


Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:40:13 MST
To: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Subject: Re: photomanipulation

I have just managed to plow through this lot when I came upon the
articles on photomanipulation. This is not a story of modifying a
photo , its more , making a photo to fit the crime.


Many years ago there was a bombing incident in London UK. At the time
I was in London , staying with my girl friend in a building owned
by L.S.E. Right next to this building is the Post Office Tower.

This was bombed by the IRA and the bomb went off at 2:45 AM. To
say we were a little surprised would be an understatment as the bomb
was about 100 feet from our (her) flat.

A group of friends next door but not overlooking the street rushed in
and took a photo of the tower after the blast, someone then suggested
that at the moment of taking the photo sugar cubes should be dropped
in front of the lense to simulate the falling concrete.

The said photo was taken , rushed to the lab (3:00 am) developed
(3:30) printed ( 3:35) sold to the newspapers at about 4:00 am
and printed the next day as original photos as the blast took effect.

NO ONE ASKED WHY WE WERE TAKING PHOTOS AT 2:45 AM AS THE BOMB WENT OFF.



To my knowledge this is the first time this story (and its true)
has ever been published. You should be able to get the photo
( Daily Mirror I think) and its a good story even though more than
2 years old.



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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: A gender neutral pronoun, was Fundamentalist Nightmare
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:06:30 GMT

In article <BxE2t8.J5D@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
(Tim Pierce) writes:

>  It is far different, though, to ask someone to use one set of
>pronouns over another, than it is to ask someone to stop speaking
>entirely.

If you ask me to be quiet for a few minutes so that you can enjoy your
dinner, I might.  If you ask me to change the way I speak for the rest
of my life, I won't.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
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From: GECKO <gecko@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: David Irving
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:46:14 GMT

         If this is the wrong place to post what I'm posting here, don't 
         hesitate to tell me... 
 
         I've heard that holocaust revisionist David Irving is speaking 
         here in Toronto this coming Friday.  Does anyone have information 
         about this?  A location perhaps?  I'd be VERY interested... 
 
                                  - GECKO 
 
 
 
 
gecko@zooid.guil.org 
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Genitals in Japan( was Madonna...)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:40:08 GMT

keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>Carl's phrase "Stragne people, the Japanese.." sums up my opinion when
>it comes to their attitude to pornography and exposure of genitals 
>etc. Someone mentioned that General MacArthur's present to Japan,
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Genitals in Japan( was Madonna...)

keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>Why can't they [the Japanese] admit a simple fact that
>they did a horrible thing during/before WWII and that human
>beings have public [sic] hair and genitals and do make love!

Because it's not a simple fact. It would involve a national loss of face,
which is something most Japanese I have met would not suffer gladly. The
Japanese, as any Japanese-surnamed individual ought to know, are
particularly thin-skinned about criticism, especially when it comes
from gaijin (read: racial inferiors, i.e., the rest of the world).

But I like your typo in line 3 above.
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,misc.writing
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: A gender neutral pronoun, was Fundamentalist Nightmare
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:06:24 GMT

In article <1dmjecINNp8g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jxj24@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Jacobs) writes:
>
>Here's a little somthing that almost always manages to piss _everyone_ off:
>Instead of worrying about gender neutrality, why not just randomly pick a
>gender for the space of the article/whatever you are writing and be done 
>with it?  
>

	I see two problems with this:

1. Rather than consistently offending/irritating a more-or-less fixed set of
people you will randomly offend/irritate even more people -- a set of sets.
This may result in you being unsure of which group you are defending yourself
from.

2. This pisses me off! ;-)



	My suggestion:  pick a pronoun, use it and let those who wish to be
offended take what pleasure they can from it.



Regards,
tony
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Laws work against you (was Re: Hitler's 'Mein Kampf')
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy) wrote:
> This thread started with questions about what effect banning books has.
> I'd like to bring something up about prohibitive and/or invasive laws
> and how they work against the very people who thought they were such a
> good idea in the first place.

One British example of this is one of the provisions of the Race Relations
Act, banning the promotion of materials calculated to incite racial hatred;
if I remember right, it's rather specific in constraining only publication
or distribution in circumstances where any reasonable person would foresee
racial violence as the outcome.  The first use of this was against an
*anti-* racist campaigner distributing leaflets against the National Front;
the police charged that since he was likely to provoke violent retaliation
by the fascists, the law applied.  (The case got thrown out, eventually).
This is perhaps not quite a direct biter-bit scenario as the picket was a
member of the Socialist Workers Party, who would not have approved the Race
Relations Act in the first place.  But if the police had won that one they
would certainly have gone on to use it against reformists too.

However, I don't think much of Mike's formulation of the problem.  What
this shows is not that this followed from some natural consequence of the
law's existence, but from the usual behaviour of a racist police force that
used whatever laws happened to be in force in their own way to achieve
their own ends.  This case was anomalous only in that the judiciary didn't
rubber-stamp their interpretation.  Laws simply don't matter, either way.
What does matter is who gets to interpret them and in whose interests.

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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Japan on the Ohio River
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:34:40 EST
Distribution: alt.censorship
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <3039@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays) writes:
> Everybody's talking about censoring the Madonna book in Japan.  It's
> not necessary to go so far afield.  On the radio on the way in this
> morning, they said that there is a movement afoot to ban the
> book in Cincinnati.  This isn't hard to believe at all.  Cincy is
> a beautiful city (as anyone who's seen it by night can attest), but
> it's incredibly uptight.  Absolutely nothing in any way questionable
> or lewd seems to be permitted there.  Remember that this is the same
> city that would not allow the Grateful Dead to perform a few years
> ago (seems they bring in a bad element).  Their reaction to anything
> in "Bad Taste" is to sew their anuses shut a little tighter and
> stand firm.  Oh, and speaking of Mapplethorpe, they tried to keep
> his photos from being shown there, although I don't know if they 
> succeeded.

	They shut down the exhibit, but lost the case.  (I think...)

	But the same prosecutor that shut down the exhibit said he has no
problems with the Madonna book.  As he puts it:
	
	There's no beastiality, no penetration, no child pornography.  The
people who have called to complain haven't even seen the book.

	Guess their sphincters are loosening up.

Brett
===============================================================================
80s: 18 million new jobs, deficits down (%GNP), tax rates down, tax revenues up
GNP up, inflation down, unemployment down, interest rates down, cold war won
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From: joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: photomanipulation
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:19:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

>>hdevine@alfred.carleton.ca (Heather Devine) writes:
>>> I am looking for specific examples of photographs that have been
>>> manipulated and used as a picture of reality.  For example, the
>>> National Geographic photo which moved the pyramids closer together for
>>> a horizontal rather than vertical photo.  I need examples that date
>>> back no farther than two years, and I prefer those that have been used
>>> in newspapers.

Stalin was actually very short (like 5'4").  Almost any picture you see
of him will show him from the shoulders up or will be taken from a position
of looking up at him, so he looks taller.  He insisted on this.  One of
the exceptions is a picture that was taken of him with Churchill and 
Roosevelt.  He was disturbed that the picture showed how much shorter
he was than these two men.  Before it could be released he insisted that
it be altered to raise him so that he looked equally tall.  If you look
closely you can see the matte lines of the alteration.  The picture is
one of the few in existence of the three of them together, so it is still
used fairly commonly today when talking about those three men.  I can't
direct you to a specific place where it can be found, but if you look
around you should be able to find it.  Anyone who can name a book
containing the picture I am referring to, please do so.

Joe


Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.discrimination
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Nightmare
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:13:51 GMT

In article <jhansen.720893414@convex.convex.com> jhansen@convex.com
(James Hansen) writes:
>In <1992Nov3.025005.11684@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>>In article <adams.720371474@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
>>writes:

>>So it's allowable for majorities to be denied equal rights by
>>minorities?  I guess so, since when it happens the government
>>encourages it.
>
>What you are alluding to is affirmative action.  I don't recall *ever*
>hearing a gay activist asking for preferential treatment over straights.

I have heard gay activists say that it is allowable to discriminate on
the basis of sexual preference, as long as it's against heterosexuals.

>>So explain why if a white man starts a construction company and hires
>>only whites, the government will call him discriminatory and fine him,
>>and otherwise cause him grief.
>
>He will be fined only if he is found in violation of the EEO laws.

Which will happen.

>>Yet if a black man starts a
>>construction company and hires only blacks, the government calls him a
>>"minority contractor" and gives him special (advantageous) treatment.
>
>Wait a second.  If a black man descriminates in violation of EEO laws,
>he will be fined also.

Then why do I regularly read newspaper articles that mention all-black
construction firms, and never see a mention of government action
against them?

>  The government only mandates that a black-owned
>contracting firm be given equal opportunity to bid on a contract and be
>fairly represented especially when minority concerns are an issue.

Notice: only black-owned firms need be fairly represented.

>Gay men and women only want to be treated fairly in housing,
>employment, legal protection, etc.  We want to be protected from
>unfair discrimination based simply on our sexuality.  Sexuality
>shouldn't even be an issue.  Gay men and women should be judged
>strictly on their ability to do a job or pay the rent

So far I agree completely.

> and not be
>subjected to violence, simply because of who we are.

There are already laws against violence.

>  The courts are
>also complacent in prosecuting those who commit crimes against us.
>"That doesn't sound like 'EXACTLY the SAME rights and protections that
>the majority has' to me" either.

Funny, when I got mugged, nobody seemed to care much about it, either.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: rrichar1@cc.swarthmore.edu (N.N.P.)
Subject: Re: Japan on the Ohio River
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: alt.censorship
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:18:48 GMT

In article <3039@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays)
writes:
> 
> Everybody's talking about censoring the Madonna book in Japan.  It's
> not necessary to go so far afield.  On the radio on the way in this
> morning, they said that there is a movement afoot to ban the
> book in Cincinnati.  This isn't hard to believe at all.  Cincy is
> a beautiful city (as anyone who's seen it by night can attest), but
> it's incredibly uptight.  Absolutely nothing in any way questionable
> or lewd seems to be permitted there.  Remember that this is the same
> city that would not allow the Grateful Dead to perform a few years
> ago (seems they bring in a bad element).  Their reaction to anything
> in "Bad Taste" is to sew their anuses shut a little tighter and
> stand firm.  Oh, and speaking of Mapplethorpe, they tried to keep
> his photos from being shown there, although I don't know if they 
> succeeded.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> They didn't keep Mapplethorpe's exhibit from showing in Cincinati; however, they carded at the door.



Newsgroups: alt.censorship,soc.libraries.talk,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.sex,rec.arts.books
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:51:28 GMT

Copyright 1992 by UPI.  Reposted with permission from the ClariNet
Electronic Newspaper newsgroup clari.clari.local.texas,clari.news.sex.
For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or phone
1-800-USE-NETS.

	HOUSTON (UPI) -- The president of Citizens Against Pornography says
she plans to file a complaint with the City Hall to protest the Houston
Public Library ordering of four copies of Madonna's controversial book
Sex which contains pictures of sex poses.
	Geneva Kirk Brooks also called for the resignation of library
director David Henington.
	``I cannot believe this. They are going to put Madonna's Sex book in
the public library,'' Brooks said. ``Who does the public library belong
to? It belongs to the people.''
	The libaray ordered four copies of the book at $49.95 each with money
provided by an anonymous donor. Two of the copeis will be used for
general circulation in the Fine Arts section and two will be used in the
Reference section, said David Bates, library spokesman. He said the book
are on back-order.
	He said despite the controversy, the book has a proper place in the
library.
	``Madonna is a cultural phenomenon,'' he said. ``Most of what she
does is news. And our patrons would have an interest in what she's
doing.''
	Bates said the book is not pornographic. ``It's being sold legally in
mainstream book retailers,'' he said.
	Brooks, who has picketed convenience stores for selling Playboy and
Penthouse magazines, said the book violates the city's community
standards resolution that was drafted by the City CVouncil in 1978.
	``It shows indication that she is invovled with bestiality,'' Brooks
said, referring to a photograph depicting a topless Madonna leaning over
a dog. ``What moral values does a book like Madonna's have for anybody?''
-- 
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: alt.censorship