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From: zxmkr08@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Subject: Re: Ergebnisse und Eindruecke von den Landtagswahlen in BaWue und SgH
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:57:06 GMT

Die allererste Message habe ich wohl verpasst...

Wahlergebnisse der Landtagswahlen in Baden-Wuerttemberg (vorlaeufiges
amtliches Endergebnis):

		1992	1988	Bundestagswahl 1990

CDU		39.6	49.0		46.5
SPD		29.4	32.0		29.1
FDP		 5.9	 5.9		12.3
Gruene		 9.5	 7.9		 5.7
Republikaner	10.9	 1.0		 3.2


Wahlergebnisse der Landtagswahlen in Schleswig-Holstein (vorlaeufiges
amtliches Endergebnis):

		1992	1988	Bundestagswahl 1990
		
CDU		33.8	33.3		43.5
SPD		46.2	54.8		38.5
FDP		 5.6	 4.4		11.4
Gruene		 4.97	 2.9		 4.0
DVU		 6.3	 --		 --

(Im Landesparlament verfuegt die SPD ueber die absolute Mehrheit.)

In <UlS=8`@.702505366@srvmp21> dennis@srvmp21.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:

>Hallo,

>Wie Du schon angemerkt hast, scheinen die meisten der Rechtswaehler Pro-
>testwaehler sein und nicht ueberzeugte Nazis. Wogegen protestieren diese
>Leute denn?

Untersuchungen diverser Forschungsgruppen (infas, Forschungsgruppe wahlen)
ueber die Waehler der Republikaner haben u.A. folgendes ergeben:

2/3 aller REP-Waehler sind Protestwaehler. (Hierbei sollte man allerdings
    bedenken, dass "Protest" sicherlich auch "Protest gegen das bestehende
    Asylrecht" bedeutet. Allgemeiner Tenor in BW: "Die schaffet nix und
    krieget au no Geld dafier.")
1/5 aller REP-Waehler koennen sich mit den Zielen der Republikaner
    identifizieren.
Doppelt soviel Maenner wie Frauen waehlten die Republikaner.
Am meisten Waehler hatten die Republikaner unter den jungen Leuten (bis 30),
    am wenigsten unter den Aelteren (ueber 60).
Waehler der Republikaner sind vornehmlich Leute, die ihren Lebensstandard
    von Auslaendern bedroht sehen; dazu zaehlen zu einem ueberproportionalen
    Anteil Arbeiter.

Cornelius.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Re: German Blood
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:45:57 GMT

[Till Poser asked a bunch of questions about citizenship, I won't answer
them singly but rather globally]

I envision a Swedish type of citizenship. Why should we want to
restrict citizenship? With it comes rights but also duties, it's not just
a good thing for the new citizen. 

1) if you are born in a country you get the citizenship. Period.
2) if you are born outside of the country but one of your parents
   is of the citizenship, you can apply to get the citizenship.
3) After 3-5 years of living in the country, you can apply for
   citizenship. In Sweden there are free classes in Swedish, and there
   are even mandatory classes in the mother language for foreign
   students in Swedish schools, but that's another discussion point.
   If you live and work here, you should be able to vote.

The big problem is collecting too many passports (being born in country
A of parents that come from B and C, and then working 5 years in
country D). If each country insists on things like military service,
you can see problems coming up. But I think that mandatory military
service should be changed to voluntary, anyway! There's also the tax
problem: I have to pay German taxes, and I am (as an American
citizen) also liable for American taxes, but I can apply for
a tax exclusion on the first 70.000 $ I earn (I hope someday
to earn more than that :-).

Things like German culture can be cultivated without passport
restrictions, and people shouldn't be prevented from speaking
their language (as the Turks tend to do to the Kurds, among others).
Why on earth sould we make life difficult for others? Just to promote
our language and culture as the "best"? Hogwash. 
-- 
Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
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From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Erdbeben u. Autobahn
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1992Apr15.093852.1373@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:01:32

In article <1992Apr15.093852.1373@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> dieter@informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Dieter Kreuer) writes:
>   A propos Autobahn: ich koennte mir vorstellen, dass man bei 130 oder so
>   ganz schoen in's Schwimmen kommt, wenn ploetzlich so ein Erdbeben losgeht.
>   Ist irgendjemand gerade mit dem Auto unterwegs gewesen, als es passierte?
>   Er moege berichten!

Not from the German earthquake, but from the one in California, I have
two reports.  One cousin of mine didn't notice the quake at all in her
car, as she was driving.  Another cousin was stopped at a light, and
initially thought her car was dieseling (as if the engine were turned
off, but still turning over because the gasoline ignites without the
action of the spark plug).  A moment's consideration convinced her
that it was in fact an earthquake.
--
=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: liebel@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Peter Liebel)
Subject: Re:Auslaenderfeindlichkeit
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:16:07 GMT


Subject: Re: Auslaenderfeindlichkeit
In article: <1992Mar30.204626.1@amherst.edu>,
djweisberger@amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
>In article <1992Mar30.151353.4467@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>, Andreas.Bartelt@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Andreas Bartelt) writes:
>> Obwohl Deutschland KEIN Einwanderungsland ist, haben wir schon sehr
>> viele Auslaender aufgenommen. Dies ist vielleicht ein Unterschied zu
>> den USA, die eigentlich seit jeher ein Einwanderungsland waren und
>> eben ein Schmelztigel der verschiedensten Kulturen sind.
>> 
>Verstehe nicht den Unterschied zwischen "ein Einwanderungsland" und "ein
>Land, das viele Auslaender aufnimmt."  Wenn viele Auslaender schon assimiliert
>sind, dann warum ist Deutschland als kein Einwanderungsland betrachtet?
>
> -David
>........
>         "This is not a quote.  No-one ever really said this."

Im Unterschied zum "Einwanderungsland" gelten in einem "Land, das viele Aus-
lnder aufnimmt" doch gewisse Zuzugsbeschraenkungen.
Diese sollen Lebensumstnde verhindern ,unter denen die z.B. die amerikanischen
Indianer oder den Schwarzen in Sdafrifa litten oder zu leiden haben.

 -Peter
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 17:15:43 MES
From: Ruediger Gaensfuss <FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Aeltere Banknoten

In article <JIME.92Apr11092235@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu>,
jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) says:
>Sind die deutschen Banknoten von 1980 noch gueltig?
Ja.

Ruediger Gaensfuss (FPU08@DMSWWU1A.BITNET) University of Muenster, Germany
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: terryr@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX557 Terry Ridder)
Subject: Request for Text/Lyrics for two songs.
Organization: Blue Danube Software
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:05:56 GMT
Keywords: Roland Kaiser Roger Whittaker



I have a request:

Would anyone have the Text/lyrics to the song 'Santa Maria' as 
performed by Roland Kaiser?

Also would anyone have the Text/lyrics to the song
Schoen war die Ziet as performed by Roger Whittaker?

Thank You in advance.

Terry
-- 
Terry L. Ridder
Blue Danube Software, De Kalb, Illinois, USA 60115
Blauen Donau Software, Kals, Ost Tirol, Oesterreich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Na und? Re: Wohlstand in Deutschland
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:25:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

In article <199204110221.AA08657@tuna.wang.com> IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Imaging Club") writes:
>
>                               Die Welt
>                        Montag, 6. April 1992
>
>                             AUF EIN WORT
>
>"Wie der Wohlstand erzeugt wird, beschaeftigt hierzulande nur wenige
>Leute.  Dagegen machen sich ueber die Frage, wie der Wohlstand verteilt
>wird, fast alle Gedanken." - Eberhard von Kuenheim, Vorstandsvorsitzender
>                             der BMW AG, Muenchen

 typisch fuer die Springer Presse ( es soll der Axel nicht zuviel
 in der endlosen Ruhe laecheln ueber den Endsieg der Milliardaere )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Subject: Earthquake T-shirts
Organization: RBI - RWTH Aachen
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:27:02 GMT

Do you guys in Los Angeles still have some of the "I survived the earthquake"
T-shirts left?

Oliver
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From: mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German Blood
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:44:30 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.german:
10-Apr-92  German Blood                   lencinas@rikvax.riken.go (1892)   
>All The other major Western countries -The United States, Canada, Britain,
>France- base citizenship on birth, residence or naturalization.

I am sorry but you have some illusions about France (or, if this is a
quote, the writer of the article had.)  Even though the French are of
course the product of a lot of ethnic mixtures, they can be very nastily
racist.

         
                   
       Oh! la belle affaire              Drei Tage war der Vater krank. 
          de ne m'appeler ni Ferns              Jetzt trinkt er wieder...
           ni Farnkraut
         mais Fouge`res !                       Gott sei Dank !
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:15:35 -0400 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: German Blood

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.german:
11-Apr-92  Re: German Blood               Debora Weber-Wulff@inf.f (1786)   
>The last one is the killer - if you want a German passport, you must
>revoke all others, if your German parents give birth to you in
>the USA you have the American and the German citizenship, no problem.
> 
>You do not have the right to become a citizen, it is a privili
>that is conveyed at the whim of the civil servant in your township.
>Some states are lenient (especially when it comes to politically
>active persons), some are very strict.
> 
>It's so crazy, I'm sure there wouldn't be so many problems between
>Germans and Auslaender if it was easier to get German citizenship,
>especially for the children of "Guest workers" that were born here.

All of the above reminds me very much of the situation in France.  
One difference is (maybe) that if you are a French citizen and you are
not in trouble with the French police (for political reasons) and you
are otherwise liked well enough by the French government, you may keep
your French citizenship even if you have become an American citizen (or
Australian, etc...)  In practice, this allows about 2 million "overseas
French" to vote as French citizens in French elections.   The great
majority of those expatriates votes to the right -- at least, against
the left. 


         
                   
       Oh! la belle affaire              Drei Tage war der Vater krank. 
          de ne m'appeler ni Ferns              Jetzt trinkt er wieder...
           ni Farnkraut
         mais Fouge`res !                       Gott sei Dank !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: eschbach@abc.wrc.xerox.com (Reiner Eschbach)
Subject: Re: German Blood
Organization: Xerox
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:20:19 GMT

deborah describes the requirements to get a german passport, so let me try to
give the US requirements as far as I understand them.
In article <L371F6E@math.fu-berlin.de> dww@inf.fu-berlin.de writes:
>One does not quite get a German passport "on demand". You have to 
>have (at least) the following:
>- have a "Fuehrungszeugnis" in good order (there's a limit to the
>amount of fines and jail time you are allowed to have, you have to be 
>"unbescholten" in your "Lebenswandel")

Same in US

>- have a place to live

Same in US

>- be able to feed your family (i.e. have a job and not live on
>public assistance)

Same in US

>- have to show a "freiwillige und dauernde Hinwendung zu Deutschland",
>to know about the German govermnent and to pledge oneself on the basis
>of the free and democratic basic order

Essentially same in US ( know your presidents 8-)

>- speak and write German well enough

Same in US ( english, that is )

>- not be addicted to alcohol or drugs

Same in US ( and you better have no drug convictions )

>- revoke all previous citizenships.

Same in US
>The last one is the killer - if you want a German passport, you must
>revoke all others, if your German parents give birth to you in
>the USA you have the American and the German citizenship, no problem.
Interchangeable, allthough the US is the bigger pain - speaking from personal
experience 8-(

Another one:
Better not be a member or former member or affiliate of any comuunist party or
organisation.

>
>You do not have the right to become a citizen, it is a privili
>that is conveyed at the whim of the civil servant in your township.
>Some states are lenient (especially when it comes to politically
>active persons), some are very strict.

Same in US ( I actually think we can substiture 'world' )

>It's so crazy, I'm sure there wouldn't be so many problems between
>Germans and Auslaender if it was easier to get German citizenship,
>especially for the children of "Guest workers" that were born here.

But this is an argument whether citizenship should depend on place of birth or
on parents, and is essentially unrelated to the topics above.

>Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de

Reiner Eschbach
From: faust@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Armin Witt)
Subject: Reliability of Turkish Newspapers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 08:39:07 GMT


Gentlemen:

In order to avoid further fussing about my statement concerning the reliability
of Turkish newspapers, please note that the paragraph hinges on the word
"allegedly." This word is there to indicate that as far as this issue is con-
cerned, I am relying on other sources since I have no direct experience with 
Turkish newspapers. I shall make sure to give a water-tight statement the
next time.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with not mentioning my "reliable source."
This practice is commonly used in newspapers and newsmagazins all over the
world to protect sources. 

Thirdly, I consider it unjustifiable to conclude any kind of prejudice from
my statements. Please do not interpret according to your own expectations
only. In similar circumstances, I would as well have wondered about other
countries' newspapers (provided I can neither obtain nor read them).

Finally, in reply to one particular complaint concerning my disclaimer,
I cannot do more than apologize for an obviously wrong statement. As a human
being, I claim for myself the right to make mistakes, especially in regard
to actual news. 

Sincerely,


Michael A. Witt (faust@leland.stanford.edu)

ROMA LOCUTA, UTINAM CAUSA FINITA...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: zxmkr08@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Subject: Re: ... Armenian Genocide Of 2.5 Million Turks And Kurds.
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:30:21 GMT

In <9204041656.A6575Dt@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

Followups directed to soc.culture.german only (I hope)...

[Stuff deleted...]

>It is sickening to think that
>the human race is capable of such actions, but there is no
>denying the fact that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
>Muslims happened. And the justice is long overdue.

[Definition of genocides deleted...]

Maybe we should first clarify the historical background.
This is what I dug out of my "dtv Atlas zur Weltgeschichte", 20th ed. 1985.

#SUMMARY BEGIN
The first things mentioned after Napoleon (1815) were murders of Christian
people in Armenia between 1890 and 1897. The killers are not mentioned, but
Armenia at this time belonged to the Osmanische Reich.

Since the Osmanische Reich was ally of Germany and Austria in WWI, parts of
it thereafter were occupied by the Allies. (Murders of Turks by Armenians
are not mentioned, but have taken place.) 1919 an independent Armenian
country was founded. The Kurds tried to separate themselves in this time,
too. (It is not mentioned why they didn't separate; the accompanying map
shows a "Kurdic area of voting", but about what?)

Turkish nationalists under General Kemal Pascha declared an independent
Turkish state in 1919-1920. In the same time Turkey started to attack the
country of Armenia and, with the aid of Russia which occupied Eriwan, was
victorious. The consequences (I quote from the book): "1920/21: Mit Terror
und Grausamkeit werden die Armenier von den National-Tuerken unterdrckt;
Tausende kommen um, nur wenige gehen in die Emigration."

Kemal Pascha was elected for president in 1923 and established a
dictatorship. After him, the Turkey became more democratic (1938-1950).
In WWII Turkey stayed neutral and declared war against Germany not until
1945.

After WWII the USSR claimed some areas of Turkey. Turkey reacted by
making friends with USA, even participating in the Korea war. 1960-1961
dictatorship again. 1964 first militaric intervention in Cyprus (without
support from its western allies). 1974 occupation of the northern part of
Cyprus.
#SUMMARY END

Since the SPIEGEL has recently published a series of three articles about
the history of Armenia, could somebody out there enlighten us a bit more
about it?

--Cornelius.
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From: alan@auad.acadiau.ca (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: german <--> english (on line)
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:29:33 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Well, OK, I'm stupid.  A few days ago someone posted a site in Germany
that had some german/english dictionaries.  I saved the post, got the
files and subsequently deleted everything!!!  Could someone please email
the name of the site, as well as the pathname to me? 

Thanks.
-Alan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: laufer@CS.NYU.EDU (Konstantin Laufer)
Subject: Re: New Hampshire license valid in Germany?
Reply-To: laufer@cs.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:54:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.000535.15865@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, hegenber@ganzer.ecs.umass.edu writes:
> Someone told me that a New Hampshire drivers license could be used to
> get a license in Germany. Can this be? It would be cheaper than going
> through all the expense in Germany if this were the case.

Ein US-Fuehrerschein ist in der BRD 1 Jahr gueltig.  Es wird auf
seiner Basis ein deutscher Fuehrerschein ausgestellt, falls:

o 	der Halter des US-Fuehrerscheins zuvor mindestens 12 Monate in
	den USA gewohnt hat,

o	der Halter nach seiner Ankunft in der BRD mindestens ein
	halbes Jahr Fahrpraxis vorweisen kann (formlos, z.B. von
	seinen Eltern),

o	eine offizielle Uebersetzung des ADAC (DM 50,-) 

o	und einen Sehtest vorlegt.

Soweit ich mich erinnere, genuegt das so.
-- 
-Konstantin L"aufer [laufer@cs.nyu.edu]

"Wir stellen keine Belege aus. Steht ja alles in unserem Kassenbuch, und das
machen wir ja schon seit 10 Jahren so." -- Konsularbeamter der BRD, NYC, auf 
die Bitte nach einem Beleg ueber die fuer einen Reisepassantrag entrichtete
Gebuehr von $18 (Bearbeitungsdauer: 3 Monate)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: whiz@whizbbs.UUCP (Michael Wotzka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Text
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:08:43 EST
Organization: WHIZ BBS



                                           +------------------------------+
                                           |       whiz@whizbbs.uucp      |
                                           |              or              |
                                           |  uunet!tension!whizbbs!whiz  |
                                           +------------------------------+
From: schuett@darmstadt.gmd.de (Helge Schuett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:18:30 GMT


Dear Murad,

In <1992Apr2.234042.13384@ee.rochester.edu> tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp) writes:

>1) Can you explain to me how the bombing of banks, airline terminals and 
>offices, and other public places to KILL INNOCENT people and passers by 
>PKK is different from the past actions of PLO?

Can you explain to me why air raids which KILL INNOCENT people and the use
of live ammunition against peaceful demonstrators are NOT government terrorism?

>2) Do you believe that terrorism is the right way to fight? 
dto.

>3) Do you think that the Turkish government should just watch the terrorists
>kill INNOCENT people?

Do you think that the Kurds should just watch the Turkish authorities kill
INNOCENT people?

Do you think we Germans should?

>Thanks,
>Murat

Thanks,

Helge
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Student accomodation for summer?
Keywords: accomodation,germany,sumer
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:24:09 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

Howdy y'all,

I'm an Irish student who plans to come to Germany to work for
the summer. The problem is that I need accomodation. In Ireland
you have to pay rent during the summer if you want to keep your
flat/accomodation for next year. Is the situation the same over
in Germany? If so I would be interested in occupying vacant flats
for the summer in any major German town (preferably Stuttgart or
Frankfurt) and will pay the rent for you. I don't want somewhere
extravagant as my main aim is saving money (like students
everywhere). University accomodation would be ideal.
Dates are approx. June 15th to September 15th and security of 
property is assured.

E-mail responses,

Thanks,

Judge Raz

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Trinity College	       |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
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