From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nobody of Importance)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mecha,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Robotech vs. ?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:39:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1jt1d4INN2s2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal Nandy) writes:
]    Imagine if the crew of the SDF-1 decided to present their ultimatum to
]Picard from inside a Veritech Hanger... It sure would impress them, wouldn't
]it, to think that their enemies were 40 foot tall robotic fighting machines?

They would wonder why sensors were picking up 58,000+ humanoid-sized lifeforms
all ove rthe ship. :)

]   And they thought the Borg were bad.. I'd like to see Borg shield
]technology stop a reflex blast!

The first cube ship would die instantly.... The rest would have adapted to
present maximum protection in their shields and would be harder to kill.
Read "Vendetta" by Peter David to get a pretty good idea on that.
 
]   And Imagine what would happen if Veritechs managed to penetrate through
]the Enterprise's shields and land on the hull! Walk right up to the bridge
]and fire through the porthole above the captain's chair! 

They wouldn't get through the shields. Despite below:
 
]   I WOULD think that a Veritech couldn't penetrate through the Enterprise's
]shields, but for one, in the Best of Both Worlds part II, an Enterprise
]shuttle leaves through the shield of the Enterprise, and penetrates through
]the very powerful shields of the Borg Cube with nothing but a little jolt!

That wasn't the shields. It was a field that blocked transporter beams. The
shuttle had to get inside it and use the shuttle transporters to board the
ship. Apparently the field only kept outside beams from being used. The Borg
don't seem too creative, just verra adaptive. 

When you watch Best of Both Worlds II, watch where the Big E's phaser and
torp barrages are hitting... ON the hull, not being stopped a good distance
away. Also, remember how that fugitive from "The Hunted" (?) bounced his ship
off the shields to try and get away from the Enterprise. 

]  It then re-enters the Enterprise without the Enterprise having to lower
]sheilds so I expect small, slow moving ships are not deflected by the ship's
]shields... (That doesn't make any sense to me either.) But if a shuttle can
]do it... a Veritech surely can!

Mistaken observation. Sorry, it sounds neat and nasty but it won't work. Try
the Main Gun and a whole bunch of antimatter warheads.


On this debate, I agree more with what someone else said how victory would 
*really* be determined (as opposed to capabilities): By whatever outcome 
would best fit the plot. Which probably means the Enterprise would get a
few good hits on the SDF-1, the SDF-1 would fire it`s main gun but the 
Enterprise would detect it and barely get out of the way in time. However,
they didn't make it completely out of danger: the Big E was only just outside
the edges of the blast and had it's shields crumpled. Then a railgun would 
make it through the severely depleted shields and knock out the Starboard
Power Coupling (I saw "Rascals" last night and am still pissed of at the
stupidity of that battle) and knock out all power to the ship save life
support and communications. Then Picard would surrender. That about matches
the usual plots in ST:TNG. Now, would Gloval accept that surrender, esp.
if the Enterprise cut off all remaining power to the weapons? I think he
would. Then both sides would find out the mistake they'd just made.

 
 
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