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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:15:50 EST

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

> p.3, last panel:  Is Jan making an overture, or is he just feeling sorry
> for himself?

Don't I wish.  Mostly he's feeling sorry for himself but I wouldn't give 
up on the realationship with Sean.  Editorial aside: Sean is gorgeous.  
Jan is a fool.

> 
> p.4, panel 4:  What do Rokk and Jacques have against the Bimbino twins?

Who *are* the Bambino twins?  Inquiring minds want to know.

> 
> p.5, last panel:  Brainiac Jr tries to be helpful.
> 

Hey, it's his job.

> P.8, panel 4:  Brainiac Sr tries to be helpful.  Maybe Dawnstar needs someone
> with a better bedside manner.  Mordru, perhaps.

She ought to be used to Brainy - either one - by now.

> 
> p.9, panel 1:  So why is that The Big Question?  It's interesting to
> speculate, but it's not very important.

Well, not to you or to me, but if I was one of the Legionnaires in 
question I think I'd feel it was significant as a matter of identity.  
Not that I think it *should* be resolved.

> 
> p.9, last panel:  I don't think they've thought this through very carefully.
> know how many of herself there are.  And why should materializing three

They probably have some rationale in mind, but I don't even care. I'm 
glad to see Triplicate Girl back... oops, I mean Triad.

> 
> p.12, panel 1:  Doesn't the old clubhouse belong to the Subs?

Not any more.

> 
> p.13, last panel:  Are Saturn Girl's earings tacky, or are they tacky?

No.  They're cute.

> 
> p.15, panel 8:  It seems that Cham *and* Danielle were hit by flying
> planets -- So how will they decide which of them is to lead the Legion?

They're share the leadership on alternate days.  I think the planet 
should have struck Tenzil.

> 
> p.21, panel 5:  What's with McCraw and Ayla, anyway?  He doesn't seem to
> have trouble drawing anyone else's hair red. 

Does he have trouble with Garth's hair?  It should be the same as Ayla's, 
n'est-ce pas?

> p.22, panel 1:  Looks as though Laurel took her older self's advice about
> costuming.  Though why she's got a no-pest strip hanging down to her knees
> is beyond me.

Put it down to style.  I like that costume.

> 
> p.23, panel 3:  The Melbourne dome has veered into the Djakarta dome?  Is
> this the first move of the new and improved Fatal Five?  Or have they

I hope so.

> worse.  I like Vi's violet costume, and Rokk's new color scheme may be a
> change for the better.  The younger Jo seems to have picked up the 2990s
> fashion of growing a stubble.  

It maks sense to me, that he would try to emulate the older Jo.

> 
> It'll be interesting to see if the writers can find anything actually
> useful for Tenzil and Luornu to do.  I'm looking forward to finding out.

Let's hope.

> Actually, I have to agree with Cham:  This group has something the older
> group's been missing.


And vice versa.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Zot!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:56:01 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Originator: goldfarb@locusts.berkeley.edu

	Actually, quite a few people here liked _Zot!_ -- enough so that
Jenny Weaver took a high place in the "Favorite Character" Squiddy award
several years running.

	Scott McCloud has been working on a book, in comic form, about
the comics medium. It's called _Understanding Comics_. I believe it's 
going to come out from Dark Horse (if not them, then perhaps Tundra?)
and that it's late. An excerpt from it ran in _Amazing Heroes_ #200.
It looks to be very interesting.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |      "Hey, mister! Your ninja's dragging!" 
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     | 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: McReviews: JLA #72
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:16:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.211724.23316@udel.edu>, mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) writes:
|> 
|> Hmm, strange things happening over in Justice League America #72.
|> 
 
|> 
|> Title:  Justice League America #72
|> Publisher:  DC
|> Writer:  Dan Jurgens
|> Artist:  Dan Jurgens and Rick Burchett
|> 
|> Rating:  Story **1/2; Art ***; Overall 3/5
|> 
|> Commentary:

|> Synopsis:
|> 
|> The Justice League roster mentioned above is apparently out to enforce
|> its idea of order in the world.  We start this issue by watching them
|> take down Star Sapphire, the Wizard, Blockbuster, Plantmaster, and Sinestro
|> without much of a problem.  This is my major complaint with this issue.
|> The League doesn't even work up a sweat.  Sinestro escapes, but is
|> captured far too easily (by Hawkman even!).  During Sinestro's capture
|> and following torture (yes, Hawkman orders Sinestro tortured to death and
|> takes his ring as his own), we learn that Green Arrow is not happy with
|> how things are going and he even argues with the rest of the League about
|> their brutal methods.
|> 
|> The fight occurs in Gotham City, where we see Jim Gordon protest the
|> Justice League and their methods to the team.  They ignore him and
|> leave, and Gordon ends up summoning Batman for the first time in two
|> years.  However, in what I consider to be a bit of bad characterization,
|> Batman seems to condone the League's methods and departs.  (Of course,
|> I was more interested in seeing Batman become determined to take them
|> down.  Very few members of the League are following any true
|> characterization :)  .)
|>  
|

This is an incredible rip-off!!!  Marvel did almost the exact same story
5 years ago with their Squadron Supreme mini-series.  At that time,
Marvel and DC were negotiating to do an Avengers-JLA team-up story.
When that deal fell through, the Marvel writers had some fun by coming
up with their own version of the JLA called the Squadron Supreme.  There
were equivalents to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Hawkman,
Zatanna, and others in the team.   The basic plot you described is
almost exactly the same as written in the Squadron Supreme.  The
group that takes over the world is lead by the Superman equivalent, 
while the team that that rebels against the superhero rule is led by
the Batman equivalent.
From: berninge@cs.purdue.edu (Jim Berninger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:01:46 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cornwall.cs.purdue.edu

silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:
>rac.vertigo sounds like a good idea; if you're posting something that
>falls into a grey area (like Lobo, or Spawn :), just post to both...
>eventually, we'll all figure out who likes what where... 
True, but I have to agree with a previous poster -- the name
"vertigo" is too limiting.  There are other books that may easily
fall into the realm of Vertigo-style, but are not Vertigo books.
I'd suggest rac.mature if that didn't sound so snobbish or
suggestive.  Any takers?

  ______ Jim Berninger: berninge@cs.purdue.edu|Hate is not a Family Value______
  \ \  /   Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire  |     Boycott Colorado     \ \  /
   \/\/ "I don't *wanna* play Leona Helmsley!"| Think twice about Oregon  \/\/
    \/      -- Elmyra Duff, Tiny Toons Xmas   |    Watch out for Ohio      \/
From: leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: coloring
Date: 25 Jan 1993 05:21:24 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


Recently in some Dc books they have been crediting the coloring to
"Digital Chameleon" and "Olyoptics".  The digital chameleon, I know,
is the coloring computer they use.  What is Olyoptics?  And often,
they don't even mention a person for coloring, ONLY "Digital
Chameleon" or whatnot.  So do they have some sort of AI coloring
software (yeah, right) or do they just give the job to some coloring
hack and don't credit them?


	Lee
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:49:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1jrksuINNj5f@mozz.unh.edu> mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE) writes:
>In article <ofM6Vvm00VB8016W5A@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Thomas Pronko <punisher+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>>i kinda lean towards what the?!, but i agree that the tick is quite
>>awesome for its humor if not for its other qualities...
>Yup.  In fact, I'm going to try to hit a c-shop today to see if I can get #12.

I didn't get a chance.  *sigh*.  But I will on Friday!
--MikE...following-up to my own posts.

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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:51:50 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <C16MC6.F1x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>I just pictured DiDi's goldfish in a bowl that say's "So
>long and thanks for all the fish".

Yes. I could see it. Very funny, indeed.

>>"A man's science is another man's magic; 
>> for all I know, Merlin was a physicist."
>
>	 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Mac Guyver quote, or just me?

As for the quote, I don't know; I made it up, but maybe you're right and a horde
of lawyers will sue my butt to hell...


-- 
Daniel Roy, of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"			CARPE DIEM!!

"A man's science is another man's magic; 
 for all I know, Merlin was a physicist."
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doom 2099 #3
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:16:32 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan22.205441.917@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>This just isn't Doom.  He's too far out of character.  One of Doom's
>defining traits -- along with techical brilliance and arrogance -- is
>a sense of *style*, and this Doom hasn't got it.

Can you be more specific by what you mean by "style"?  I think this Doom is
very much in character, given his circumstances.  (Though clearly things are
going to come to a head earlier than he'd hoped.)

>A sense of style and
>a feeling of noblesse oblige would combine to prevent Doom from involving
>the populace in his battle with Wylde.  It would be far more consistent
>for him to hold off until he could just walk in and take Latveria.

I disagree.  Doom hasn't shown any reluctance to involve or use others in his
battles (which are rarely of the sort where he can "just walk in and take"
what he wants).  For instance, his retaliation against the Latverian revolt
in FF #196-200, and his use of gypsies as servants at various points (the old
man who revived him after the events of FF #200, for example).

On another note, I wonder if Doom appears younger here than he "ought to" due
to the mind transferral technique he used in FF #260 to escape being killed by
Tyros and the Silver Surfer?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"Childbirth is NOT a miracle.  Life is NOT sacred.  When you have twenty
 thousand nomads huddled between two rivers in the Middle East and that's it
 for Homo sapiens, when one in five children is a live birth, one in ten
 living past the age of ten, THEN childbirth IS a miracle and life IS sacred.
 When the average age of a grandmother in Philadelphia's housing projects is
 twenty-five, to call childbirth a miracle is at least a tasteless joke and at
 worst a true obscenity."
				- Dave Sim, from Cerebus #142
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: LNH: Offical EMail List
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am putting together an Offical LNH E-Mail list.  I have a copy of the
old one, and it is time to update it.  

Please send me mail with the name of your Writer Character (WC), your
name, and your E-Mail address.  This includes the people on this list.
I know some of the people here are not involved anymore, and a updated
list is a nice reference guide.


CHARACTER NAME      WRITER NAME(s)           E-MAIL ADDRESS
------------------  -----------------------  ----------------------------------
Continuity Champ    Jeff Barnes (Drizzt)     barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet 
Rebel Yell          Todd Kogutt (Scavenger)  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
Ultimate Ninja      Raymond Bingham (wReam)  s1859@cc.usu.edu
Halls Jordan        Jef Kolodziej (KaTeFan)  v129j6ed@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Multi-Tasking Man   Jeff the Wonder Llama    jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Myk-El              Mike Kelly               mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu
Incredible Un-
    sleeping Man    Steve Husty (Jester)     husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu 
Dial "D" for...     Dave VanDomelen          dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Netlurker           Mark Friedman            friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu
Spelling Boy        Bill Sherman             sherman@math.ucla.edu
Old Comics Man      Douglass Barre           carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Obscure Trivia Lad  Brian Perler             bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
Kid Kirby           Harith Jameel Alkhafiz   ha09+@andrew.cmu.edu
Kid Frothing-at-
    the-Mouth       Rick Jones               albert@bcm.tmc.edu
Marvel Zombie Boy   Ben Pierce               v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Comics-Snob-Boy     Maurice Beyke            mab@batman.b11.ingr.com
Masked Man          Kyle Lucke               lucke@ndsuvm1.bitnet
Lost Cause Boy      Douglas Wojtowicz        u16244@uicvm.uic.edu
Sarcastic Lad       Gary St. Lawrence        lawrence@olympus.ctron.com
Panta (no tm)       Hubert Bartels           hgb@catalina.opt-sci.arizona.edu
Kid Anarky          Steph Savoie             003695s@ace.acadiau.ca
Politically-Correct
    Person          Jay Leigh Volk           javolk@ndsuvm1.bitnet
Lurking Girl        Tori Fike                vcf1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Kid Poetry          Theron Ross              ter5424@ritvax.isc.rit.edu


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"If you love your fun, die for it!" - The Power of Lard - Lard
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Jef Kolodziej                    Cliche Dude                    The KaTeFan(tm)
v129j6ed@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu           State University of New York at Buffalo
History Major                                                  611 LaSalle Ave.
(716) 834-2606                                                Buffalo, NY 14215
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:48:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.063514.55841@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>>>>Then there are artists who draw the writers -- in Violent Cases, the model
>>>>for the drawing of the narrator was Neil Gaiman.
>>
>>>Dream looks like Neil Gaiman, too.
>>
>>Which depresses some of us becasue Dream is fictional and Neil is married
>>and both are therefore unavailable.
>>
>>:(
>
>Please.  Tell me that you are not serious.  Has Sandboyism risen to this level?
>
I don't know about Sandboyism, but Sand_girl_ism sure has -- Dream is ... well,
dreamy.


Firestar
-- 
I don't bite, you know.    | Find me and turn thy | It is better to have loved 
Unless it's called for.    | back on heaven.      | and lost than to have your
-- Audrey Hepburn, Charade | -- R. W. Emerson     | finger caught in a blender.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: SANDMAN: Meals
Keywords: food
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:39:11 GMT

Why do the Endless eat?  The gathering at start of Seasons of Mists
and when Destruction took off involved food/drink.  Destruction
prepares a meal - and Dream and Delerium ate before taking off on the
quest.  But Dream was imprissoned (sp?) for over 70 years without
food/drink.  Why do they bother?  (Dream did grab some food when he
got out, but I think he needed it more as an energy source - had been
deprived of contact with the Dream World.

And Didi sure enjoys that apple when mortal ...

later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com
Give me chastity and continence, but not just now.  -- St. Augustine
From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:18:20 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>  influence this could have on impressionable
>  young minds.
>
Well, I guess the "suggested for mature readers" stands for
SOMETHING, after all.

-- 
Daniel Roy, of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"			CARPE DIEM!!

"A man's science is another man's magic; 
 for all I know, Merlin was a physicist."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Sandman #47 (APA! SPOILERS!)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:12:17 EST

carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>   Actually, the colorist got it right - the idiots in the Irish
> process house who actually make the flexo plates "corrected" the
> eyes, just as they "corrected" her mismatched eyes to make them
> match in the last few issues.  Idiots.
> -- 

Don't you wish those guys could read?

Silly, silly, silly.  SUch obvious mistakes....

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Getting non-comic readers started
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:44:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

I've had good results with loaning the two issues of "Epicurus the Sage"
to philisophy-and/or-myth-literate people who didn't think they liked comics.

Others have been tickled by "Reid Flemming: World's Toughest Milkman"
and "Flaming Carrot Comics".

Also, kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY) writes:
>Finally, something else I've given people as an example of good comics is
>Heartbreak Soup by Gilbert Hernandez (one of the Love and Rockets people
>for those who don't know), as an example of comics that have nothing to do
>with silly costumes, ray guns and funny-looking villains, and everything
>to do with real-life characters in real-life situations told in a moving
>way. This has also been met with good responses - unfortunately, when they
>come back asking 'Have you got anything else like this?', they are usually
>met with an embarrassed silense followed by me muttering about this book
>called Watchmen which is about superheroes but is actually reallty good 
>honest...
>
>Any thoughts? Suggestions?
>

People like the real-life thing in comics?  What a concept!

How about trying "The Complete Alec" by Eddie Campbell?  

Or "Cages" by Dave McKean?

Or "Violent Cases" by McKean and Neil Gaiman?

Or "American Splendor" by Harvey Pekar and a wide sampler of artists?

Or the "Ragamuffins" collection of childhood-and-aftermath stories by 
Don MacGregor and Gene Colan, put out by Eclipse?

Or "Concrete" by Paul Chadwick?

Or the "Earth" issues of "Zot" by Scott McCloud?

Or "'Mazing Man" by Rozakis, DiStephano, and (at its best) Kessel.

If you want to show that costumed hero stories exist that
break the potential reader's expected stereotypes, try "Batman: 
Year One" (which is more about the very-human younger James Gordon) 
or "Daredevil: Born Again", along with the more frequently recommended
"Watchman" and "The Dark Knight Returns".

THEN, get them all hooked on the LSH!

--James Langdell        jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems      Mountain View, Calif.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman Art
Organization: The Ink Spot Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:33:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.170947.28514@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:

>	Last month when people were bitching about the Brief Lives art,
>I was among those who defended it...not this month.  I'm really astounded
>that is *is* so uneven.  I wouldn't call it bad (like I would Liefield and
>the majority Marvel and Dc's herds) but it just could have been
>done so much better.  I really like Jill's layouts, but honestly,
>either she should spend more time pencilling or the inker should
>spend a better time inking (anyone remember episode oo of Seasons of Mists
> -yeck!!!!!!!!).

Some of the uneveness might have come from two different people inking the
issue. I found some of what I take to be changes in inkers to be somewhat
jarring. 

I wasn't bothered by this issue as much as I was by say A Game of You #34
(George Pratt's two day ink job of Colleen Doran's art) or #37 (multiple
artists with very different styles.) 

Episode oo (epilogue) of Season of Mists was also done by George Pratt. 
I didn't mind that so much, but I was just happy to see Dringenberg doing
the pencils again.

Dick Giordano seems to have done emergency inking for both the latest 
issue and #34. Do they keep him in a little glass box and only break him
out in case of deadline emergencies?  

(part 29)--------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Hello. Are you the spokesman for Planters
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  peanuts? Yes? I'm afraid my family takes the 
   I hope you don't mind    |  nut very seriously and you're cutting into our
   if I sit this one out    |  business"    _Nuts: The Other Amy Fisher Story_