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From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Florida part II
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:45:51 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University



>The hotel I booked in Key West, the Marriott Casa Marina, claims that
>life down there is just dandy and they think I ought to come on down
>and have a grand old time.

Well ... I suspect a number of the performers on Mallory Pier are not
back yet.  (Dominique and his circus cats boogied out early Saturday,
and the other performers I talked to were planning on hitting the
highway Sunday am last week.)  But Key West was missed by most of the
storm.  The claim that they are fine and dandy also probably has something
to do with the mindset down there.  It's probably fine if you are willing
to take things in stride.  If you demand things like LOTS of AC and
half hour HOT showers I wouldn't go.  From what I've heard the foliage
has been re-arranged, but there has been little substantive damage.
(My info is from someone who has family on Marathon.)

>Are there flights
>currently operating between Miami and Key West?

If there ARE flights, you probably are not going to have much competition.
(I need to write to LAST FLIGHT OUT about getting a T-shirt.  Man, do
*I* have stories to type in when I get a chance.)

Either way, enjoy!!!
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: russell@kings.demon.co.uk (Russell Brown)
Subject: Buildup Dives
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems, Peterborough, England
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:12:23 GMT


Does anyone know of any physiological reasons for doing buildup dives in
preparation for a deep one?  I'm not thinking about a novice diver going
deep for the first time, more about an experienced diver planning a deep
dive and heeding the training advice about programs of buildup dives.

I realise that there are certainly psychological reasons but cannot
think of any physical ones.
-- 
Regards,
        Russell
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From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Subject: Re: depth in the US of A
Organization: Hewlett Packard
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:50:04 GMT

In article <pd72mq8@fido.asd.sgi.com>, leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
|> 
|> Well, what I'm really wondering is it necessary for a student to know or care that 
|> 14.7 psi = 1 ATM.  I think it's *really* important to know that at 66 ft. the pressure
|> is three times that at the surface.  That clearly has tons of effects.  But is it
|> important for them to know it in psi?  Except to perhaps relate that to the pressure
|> in their tank...  

There are really two issues here: Is it important for a student to be
taught that 1_atm = 14.7_psi (I say yes), and is it important that they
demonstrate to the instructor that they have memorized this particular
number (I say no).

What is important here is the concept outlined above in the paragraph
you are responding to. As such, I think it a better testing strategy
to keep the numbers simple (i.e. use ATM instead of PSI), because it
is the concept of increasing pressure at depth, and the relationship
between depth values and pressure (i.e. each 33_ft = 1_atm pressure)
that you are testing for. Throwing in psi and numbers like 14.7
introduce the not insignificant possibility that the student may get
the answer wrong when indeed they understood the concept perfectly.

As regards this particular topic, I would say that it *is* important
that a student demonstrate that they have the number 33 (feet equals
one atm) committed to memory. PSI? Of little use, and just slightly
harassing to insist that a student demonstrate memorization of this
figure.

-- 
Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: ?diuretics and diving
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:25:01 GMT


What are the considerations when using diuretics and diving. I am aware of the
alteration of fluid levels in the body. Would I be limited to shallow diving
above 33 ft?.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: PEEING IN A WETSUIT.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:02:32 GMT

William Mayne writes:
> But the thermal mass of your body has also gone down...

Hmmm... I'll have to think about that for a while.  The *real*
answer is to dive in places where you need neither a wet
suit nor pee to keep warm.  Grand Cayman Island leaps to mind.

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* These are my opinions only.*
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From: 73467.2574@CompuServe.COM (Andy Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: DECO'92 Hahn's Tables
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:27:51 GMT

On Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:42:37 GMT peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
wrote in his message <1992Aug28.194237.2808@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com

CP> Please post an address to which I can send you a check for the tables,
CP> or give me a call 415/857-6432 (work).

Andy Schmidt
H&M Systems Software, Inc.
25 E Spring Valley Ave
Maywood, NJ 07607-2150
  
CP> Do you have any documentation
CP> on the theory, development, testing, and use of these tables?

In 1991 there were hot debates in the German scuba industry regarding the 
need for new tables and controversies between Buehlmann and Hahn, wether 
there was sufficent evidence for Hahn to develop tables MORE conservative
than Buehlmann's. Much of those discussions took place in articles by
both researchers and roundtable discussions in an annual dive show.

I have published reports but obviously they are in German language.

Essentially, Hahn feels, that there's enough evidence of long term effects
of diving on the eyes and the spinal cord (based on the professional dive
industry) to warrant earlier mandantory decompression stops. Why do American
agencies pussyfoot around the term 'decompression stop' and 'decompression
diving'. If I MANDATE a 'safety stop' in order to bring measurable bubbles
down to tolerable counts (doppler testing) - what else is that than a
decompression ceiling. The difference lies in semantics: A Deco Stop is
what is found in the NAVY manual, and a mandantory safety stop to reduce
DCS risk is everything that's mandated by US dive agencies.

Hahn also has built a heavy penalty into his tables DECO92 for bouncy diving.
Any short surface interval between two dives carries HEAVY residual nitrogen.
He factored that in based on latest phase dynamic and microbubble theories.
 
Sorry I couldn't be of more help
Andy

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: wjh0265@tamsun.tamu.edu (William Hobson)
Subject: nasa.ames
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:49:33 GMT

I saw a mention of nasa.ames as a location for dive sites.  My name server has
not heard of it - what is the IP number.  Also, is there some docs I can refer
to?

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jlb13@po.CWRU.Edu (Julianne L. Babel)
Subject: Wanted:  Info on scuba mailing lists
Reply-To: jlb13@po.CWRU.Edu (Julianne L. Babel)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:18:56 GMT


  I'm interested in getting involved with a scuba mailing list.
If anyone knows of any please send me the info via emial or post
it here.

			Thanks


				--Juli
-- 
Meet me incognito		Meet me incognito
Wear your disguise		Like you always do
Meet me incognito		Meet me incognito
Cover up your eyes		I won't know you   --LadyIce
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From: peterson@hpl.hp.com (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Patent foramen ovale (was ...advanced deep diving course wanted)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:50:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, California

Technically, one does not "develop" a patent (open) foramen ovale, 
or "shunt".

This "hole in your heart" is present in all fetuses, directly connecting
the right and left atria of the fetal heart.  This allows the fetus's venous
blood, already oxygenated from the mother's placenta, to bypass the non-
functioning lungs of the fetus.  Blood passes from the venous circulation
directly to the arterial circulation inside the heart.  This "shunt" usually
closes at birth, and grows shut during the first month after birth.

Sometimes the foramen ovale does not grow completely closed.  A small slit
may persist but usually causes no problems.  There may be problems, however,
when gas bubbles are present in the circulation, such as while diving. This
is complicated further if the persistent "slit" is not so small.

Gas bubbles in the venous circulation are normally removed by gas exchange
in the lungs before the bubbles ever get into the arterial circulation.
Some researchers believe that a patent foramen ovale may allow enough 
cross-circulation to cause problems in divers.  They theorize that
signficant gas bubbles present in the venous supply may be allowed to
enter the arterial circulation via a patent foramen ovale, bypassing
the lungs.  Once in the arterial circulation of the heart, they have a
pretty straight shot to the brain...  and to CNS air embolism [very
bad news :-(].

It is interesting to note that, since the Trendellenberg position for 
DCS patients could potentially increase the bubble flow into the arterial
circulation via a patent foramen ovale, many dive rescue groups have
switched from using the Trendellenberg position to a "shock-treatment"
position for DCS patients.  (Trendellenberg position places the patient
on a 15o incline, head-down/feet-up, resting on the patient's left side.
"Shock-treatment" position places the patient flat, on his back, with
the feet or knees elevated slightly.)

[ Diver starts cheering and waving flag ]

Please note that news of this research was first and most vigorously 
reported to the recreational diving community by the Divers Alert Network
(DAN).  There are a couple of good articles on this subject in their
newsletter, "Alert Diver".  This is just one more reason to support DAN.

[ Diver stops cheering and waving flag ]
-- 
Chris Peterson                                     Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
                                                    Research Computing Services
                                                              Palo Alto, CA USA 
                                                            peterson@hpl.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.birds:1440 misc.forsale:25005
From: rick@claris.com (Rick Boarman)
Newsgroups: rec.birds,misc.forsale
Subject: Cockatoo for sale
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:48:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.birds
Distribution: usa
Organization: Claris Corporation, Santa Clara CA

Posted for a friend
-----------------
SULFUR CREST ELEANORA COCKATOO FOR SALE.  She was hand raised in
Hawaii, by a breeder of endangered species and has been handled lovingly
throughout her life.  Her name is Kaloni--which means "the chiefly one" in
Hawaiian.  She is perfect for apt. living (very quiet, unless it's play 
time).  She is two years old and is just ready to learn to talk.  She has a 
beautiful yellow coloration on her crest and under sides.  She is not  
biter and is very mild tempered.  From 2 months of age I began bringing 
her to work, so she is pretty comfortable around people, especially dark 
haired women.  She loves attention and unlike many birds, is very huggable 
and cuddly (Yes, she really likes hugs).  If you let her, she loves to go in 
the shower with you and play in the water while you are showering.  She 
has a hop like walk and is adorable to watch and play with.  I would really 
like to find a good home for her. 

$1,800 or OBO

Please contact Maria at 408-987-7221 or 408-736-3454


-- 
* Rick Boarman   *   UUCP:      {ames,apple,portal,sun,voder}!claris!rick
* Claris Corp.   *   Internet:  rick@claris.com
*                *   AppleLink: Boarman         
Opinions are mine alone and do not reflect Claris policy.
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: christea@dhhalden.no (CHRISTER ANDR JAKOBSEN)
Subject: Re: Birding in Europe
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:06:31 GMT

In article <92242.094221PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Does anyone know how the seabird colonies on Runde, Norway, fared the past
>three years?  I was there in 1989 and the populations were down because of
>overfishing of the herring.  Have things improved since then?  Thanks very
>much for any info you may have.  Paula
>--
>Paula Ford   | Internet: pxf3@psuvm.psu.edu  | PO Box 674
>"Snaefridh"  | Bitnet:   pxf3@psuvm          | Hollidaysburg, PA 16648
>I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended
>up where I needed to be.  --Dirk Gently

Actually I heard only yesterday, that at least the puffins at Runde have 
managed extremely well, and this being the first successful breeding season 
for ages. Unfortunately I have no referances though, but I may be back with 
something more when I've got a bit more concrete information.
From: zoetrope@cup.portal.com (Devan DzM MacFarlane)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Birds for sale in Bay Area
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:39:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

I'm not sure if this is a violation of 'nettiquette' or not, but I have some
birds for sale:

2 Male Cockatiels
  1 Year Old
  Pearl Split to Cinnamon
  Ideal for Breeding
  $35 each or $60 for the pair

2 Lovebirds (Peachfaced)
  1 Female, the other is unknown
  $35 for the pair

If you're interested in these birds please send me email or call me at
(408) 244-4145 (Ask for Jennifer or Devan).

Thanks;

DzM
Xref: sparky rec.birds:1449 rec.pets.birds:2114
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Newsgroups: rec.birds,rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Cockatoo for sale
Keywords: Cockatoos, talkers
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:01:08 GMT
Distribution: rec


In Message <15106@claris.com>
From att!claris.com!rick Mon Aug 31 15:48:27 1992 writes:

>Posted for a friend
>-----------------
>SULFUR CREST ELEANORA COCKATOO FOR SALE.  She was hand raised in
>Hawaii, by a breeder of endangered species and has been handled lovingly
>throughout her life.  Her name is Kaloni--which means "the chiefly one" in
>Hawaiian.  She is perfect for apt. living (very quiet, unless it's play 
>time).  She is two years old and is just ready to learn to talk.  She has a 
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>beautiful yellow coloration on her crest and under sides.  She is not  
>biter and is very mild tempered.  From 2 months of age I began bringing 
>her to work, so she is pretty comfortable around people, especially dark 
>haired women.  She loves attention and unlike many birds, is very huggable 
>and cuddly (Yes, she really likes hugs).  If you let her, she loves to go in 
>the shower with you and play in the water while you are showering.  She 
>has a hop like walk and is adorable to watch and play with.  I would really 
>like to find a good home for her. 
>
>$1,800 or OBO

    *******************remainder deleated*****************

This seems like quite a good price for a sulphur crested.  A couple of
caveats, however, to anyone considering buying the bird.

Cockatoos in general are not particularly good talkers.  While they
may learn the odd word or occasionally a short phrase, in general they
are not known for their talking ability.  Other than their striking looks,
'toos are best known for their loving and affectionate personalities.
Cockatoos DO love attention and will often pester their owners (sometimes
QUITE loudly, to pick them up and play with them.  If a prospective owner
is planning on a bird that will sit quietly on a perch or in a cage while
the humans go about their business around the house, they may be sorely
disappointed with a cockatoo.

--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: How to spot an owl
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:43:20 GMT

First, you get a really tiny paintbrush.........

Most of the owls I have run across have been during my walks through the
woods early in the morning on hunting excursions.  Once I had a chance to 
observe a barn owl for at least 15-20 minutes at a distance of no more
than 20 yards!

I agree that it sounds like a great horned owl.  Especially from the size
of the wingspan.  My suggestion would be early morning walks, or walks on 
cloudy, misty evenings and afternoons.  At the first sign of movement
in a tree.  FREEZE!  Every owl I have ever walked up on got a little startled
when it first saw me, but When I froze or moved v.e.r.y.  s.l.o.w.l.y
to a sitting position, often times they went back to ther=ir hunting.

I do not know much about the red-light hunting trips
but it should be feasible, dress in bland colors, red being the best
(Iknow it sounds strange but it is actually better at night than black for
limited invisibility) and above all, be as quiet as possible.  Owls rely
on their ears as much as their eyes


Hope this helps

Steve

--
===============================================================================
Steve Hollis--Your friendly neighborhood zoology major
srh3@ra.msstate.edu
===============================================================================
From: alexpace@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex L. Pace)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Bird that is Also a Mammal
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:57:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin


I was at a baseball game once and there was this HUGE chicken running
around with a baseball cap and a megaphone and he was cheering loudly.
Oddly enough, this chicken spoke as clear as any African Grey parrot I've
ever heard and the crown generally responded in a positive manner to this
feathered mascot.  It turned out, however that it was not only a bird after
all, a secret that was revealed when the bird twisted its head off like in
the Exorcist (tm) and a man emerged.  He downed a quart of GatorAid and put
his chicken head back on.

no .sig here

Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang)
Subject: Re.: Hurricane Andrew
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:30:37 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

I haven't heard anything about the effects of Hurricane 
Andrew yet, but results of studies on the effects of Hugo
on birds in Jamaica have been published.  I have forgotten where
I saw a paper published, but it was probably in
"Conservation Biology" or "Biotropica".
The effects on lowland birds in Jamaica should be comparable
to what would happen in Florida.
-- 
Anthony Lang
Dept. of Zoology, Univ. of Toronto
tony@zoo.utoronto.ca
From: tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Re.: Hurricane Andrew
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:22:32 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <BtyLv2.4pE@zoo.toronto.edu>, by tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang):
> I haven't heard anything about the effects of Hurricane 
> Andrew yet, but results of studies on the effects of Hugo
> on birds in Jamaica have been published.  

Just read in a newspaper today that the everglades (in the area
where Andrew passed thru) are eerily quiet.  Many trees and bird
nests destroyed.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor)
Subject: Re: dawn chorus
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:17:57 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug26.145916.6357@ryn.mro4.dec.com> fease@dkas.enet.dec.com
(Andrea Midtmoen Fease) writes:
> On a related note, why is it that several times last winter we heard birds
> chirping away ... at 3AM!?!  Dawn wasn't until around 7AM at that point.

Passerines will call if disturbed (e.g by a predator) during the night.
I've seen a Willy Wagtail (small Australian passerine) calling frantically in
the middle of the night as it attempted to chase fruit bats (wingspan 1+ metre)
from its nest tree.  As the tree was a Morton Bay Fig in full fruit it
presumably did this every night for most of the night.

It'd be interested if any dawn chorus theories explained why Common Koels call.
They are a dirunal  bird but regularly call 2-3 hours before dawn. Koels are
medium-sized parasitic cuckoos which are territorial during breeding.
they also often call in the hour after sunset.

I'm fond of Koels because during all-night programming sessions they provide
cheerful relief in the depressing silence around 4am.

Andrew taylor
From: PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Birding in Europe
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:51:39 GMT
 <christea.1@dhhalden.no>
Organization: Penn State University

Tusen takk, Christer, for the information.  If you can find out more about
the puffins or other birds on Runde, I'd love to hear about them.

BTW, I tried to e-mail you, but it bounced.

Thanks again, Paula
--
Paula Ford   | Internet: pxf3@psuvm.psu.edu  | PO Box 674
"Snaefridh"  | Bitnet:   pxf3@psuvm          | Hollidaysburg, PA 16648
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended
up where I needed to be.  --Dirk Gently
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