HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Subject: Software appletalk/ethernet routing?
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:25:00 GMT

Somebody mentioned that Apple had a software
router package that readily converts appletalk packets
to ethernet and basically does away with the need
for expensive hardware routers.  Does anyone have
information on this?  Is Apple the only one making 
such a thing?

Specifically, he wants to have macs on different
floors talking appletalk and ethernet, and he
doesn't want to go out and buy scsi boxes for
macpluses.

Thanks,
Bill Eldridge
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MicroPhone II Login Problems
From: wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William Gentry)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:47:16 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

I'm having problems getting MicroPhone II v.4.0 for the Macintosh to 
correctly connect with a Unix based system. Smartcom II has no problem 
but when I try to connect with MP all I get is a carrier and a message 
"Connect 2400" but then nothing. I try to type something and all I get is 
x's. Running System 7.1 using the Standard MNP modem driver with an 
Abaton 24/96, default communications settings. Thanks


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From: iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu (Jerry Wilcox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP availability?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:15:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Office of the President
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ajax.ucop.edu

In article <1992Nov10.150249.13788@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) wrote:
> 
> Is MacTCP system software? Is it freely redistributable, or is it only
> distributed under license (like the Comm Toolbox)? Since it's not on
> ftp.apple.com, I'll assume it's licensed software. How can I get it?
> 
MacTCP is available from APDA. You are correct -- it is a licensed product
that may not be redistributed unless you are properly licensed. For
example, when Eudora was being distributed by an educational institution,
the institution had a distribution license for MacTCP, so MacTCP was
included with Eudora. Now that Eudora is being distributed by Qualcomm, it
does not include MacTCP, as the commercial license to distribute MacTCP is
very expensive.

I don't have my current APDA catalog here at work, but I believe the
single-user license gets you a development kit which includes MacTCP for
about a hundred bucks.
-----------
Jerry Wilcox - iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
University wanted me to speak for it.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:10715 comp.sys.mac.system:13806
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:24:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system

In article <cshotton-041192145820@oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>,
cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton) wrote:
> 
> In article <1CE00001.hqtf08@tbomb.ice.com>, time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Further, making ARA a cost/revenue center, we may see Apple actually
> > *dedicate* resources to expanding this type of software. Things that
> > are free are either of "free-quality" or a actually paid for by some
> > hidden cost. I like paying for software, because then the successful
> > and useful stuff gets developed, improved and supported.
> > 
> 
> This argument of making ARA a "profit center" is somewhat specious. The
> product development has been paid for. The first 100,000 PowerBook sales
> saw to that. There are no costs to recover (unless Apple really intends to
> update ARA. The CTB debacle doesn't give me much hope of that.) Anything
> that Apple makes off ARA at this point is 100% profit.

Giving it away with the computers paid for its development?  How do you
figure that?  The only way that it could possibly be true is if people who
bought those PowerBooks did so because of ARA, and would not have purchased
the computers without ARA.

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From: jason@cs.utexas.edu (Jason Martin Levitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Info on SLIP for Mac (Was: Re: NCSA Telnet 2.5, SLIP, MacTCP and MacX)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 11:32:32 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <61743@mimsy.umd.edu>, hoel@umiacs.umd.edu (Erik Hoel) writes:
> [stuff deleted] 
> Has anyone been able to make this work? If not, the c.s.m.c. FAQ must be 
> correct (not that I have reason to doubt it - I just read the NCSA documena-
> tion first ;-)
> 
> The FAQ did suggest that various commercial products such as InterSLIP (by
> InterCon), MacSLIP (Hyde Park), or Versaterm would do the trick (has anyone
> had unusually good/bad experiences with these...).

   You may find my article useful. It discusses MacSLIP, Versaterm SLIP, and
NCSA Telnet (Intercon's beta version of InterSLIP was not ready enough for
review). It will appear in the November 16th issue of "Open Systems Today".
For info on obtaining that issue, call CMP Publications, (516) 562-5882.

     ---jason    jason@cs.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Stephen P. Garcia <garcia@tmc.tulane.edu>
Subject: Re: LocalTalk FAXModem
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27047]: garcia.anes.tulane.edu
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71EBEAB1A01300C@garcia.anes.tulane.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 12:06:03 GMT
Organization: Tulane Medical School
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:05:15 GMT

In article <5081@zaphod.UUCP> Bob Colwill, bobc@zaphod.UUCP writes:
>I've been unsuccessful so far in my attempts to acquire a network
>FAXModem that can be used as a shared resource on a LocalTalk Mac
>Network.
>
>Can anyone help me?

   I have been using the DoveFax Lan Nubus with 20 networked users. It
has performed extremely well and I have had no problems with it
whatsoever, except an init or two, but their loss trivial. Everybody on
the network has had nothing but praise.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sbc@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Steve B. Cousins)
Subject: Pocket Fax/Modem doesn't work as advertised
Summary: is it me?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: comp
Date:  8 Nov 92 06:35:03 GMT


I just bought a pocket Fax/Modem which claims to be 2400 baud with
V.42bis.  The box says "2400 BPS w/max 9600 BPS thruput", which is
what I would expect.  

But... the modem will not respond to any commands sent faster than
2400 baud.  As soon as I drop the communications protocol to 2400, it
works fine.  I never see any LAPM or REL or similar message that I
would expect if V.42bis or MNP5 were in use - it just connects at
2400.

The manual that comes with the "Comm-panion" does _not_ claim that the
modem talks at 9600 - it says 2400 is the top speed.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can show that the box is not
the only thing with v.42 bis in this setup?  

Otherwise, I have 15 days to return it.  $130 is too much for just a
2400 + Fax modem.  If I do return it, does anyone have any suggestions
for a good modem in the $200 range.  I'd like 9600 baud with fax, but
would accept 2400 w/ 4/1 compression, and for real 9600, I could live
without the fax...

Thanks

Steve Cousins
From: pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Paul Big-Ears Menon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Nuntius v1.1.1 Questions
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:55:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT)
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A726BEC6EE014015@thylacine.cs.rmit.oz.au>
X-XXDate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:44:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.140029.2986@paladin.american.edu> Mathew L. Spolin,
ms5477a@auvm.american.edu writes:
>I'm using Nuntius to read news these days, mostly because I love the
>outline-based
>interface.  But, I have a few questions, since the version that I ftp'd
>wasn't
>distributed with any documentation.
>

>1)  Is anyone else using this program?

Yes - Great isn't it?  I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the
author of Nuntius and Eudora.  I used to use NewsWatcher, but found
too many quirks.

>2)  If so, can you recommend a good monospaced editor for it?

I use Edit II.

>3)  Is there any way to restrict how large the "group indexes" that
>the app builds in the system folder become?  We're pushing 2 megs here...

Get a big(ger) disk :-).  No, I haven't found a way.

I have a few questions too.  Somebody - help...

I've tried using Eudora to respond by mail automatically.  It will
not work unless I have invoked a new mail message from within Eudora
first (ie - I have Eudora active & have a new mail window up).  I've
tried fiddling with the "Launch mailer with document" option to no
avail - help.

I'm also looking for a short cut to open & shut articles.  That is -
activating (clicking on) the right-arrow icon at the start of every
news item using soem key combination.  I've been able to find keyboard
shortcuts for most other mousey actions except this.  Anyone??


Paul Menon
pnm@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au
Computer Science, Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology,
124 La Trobe Street, Melbourne, Victoria 3001, Australia
Ph: +61 3 660 - 3209/2348	Fx: +61 3 662 1617
From: murphy@tsc.cs.unc.edu (Ransom Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: problem with NCSA-telnet 2.5 using SLIP
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:40:39 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov4.203547.2907@news.sara.nl> henk@news.sara.nl writes:
>Help needed with NCSA-telnet, setting up a SLIP connection. 
>
>I am using NCSA-telnet 2.5 with a Mac+ running 6.02 and a V42bis modem
>to connect to a cisco terminal server capable of running SLIP.
>
>In the conifg.tel file of NCSA-telnet I define "hardware=SLIP". This is the
>only way where NCSA-telnet doesn't complain about drivers not being loaded.
>
>However after opening a connection window and dialing the SLIP box at the
>other side I never get the change to use the "session" menu to change to 
>SLIP on the MAC site. 
>
>Can anybody expklain me what I overlook ?

You are overlooking nothing.  Unless things have changed in the past
month or two, there is a problem with that version of Telnet
where the "Switch to SLIP" option never becomes active.  I reported
the problem the NCSA and they said they were working on it.


Ransom


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Department of Computer Science		        PH# 919-962-1708
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill     
Sitterson Hall/CB# 3175				Chapel Hill, NC  27599
From: Greg@sys.uea.ac.uk (Greg Newton-Ingham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Powerlatch Technology and MacTCP
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:40:43 GMT
Organization: School of Information Systems, UEA, UK
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A727E2024F010428@gni.sys.uea.ac.uk>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:27:14 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

I'm in the process of buying a Powerbook 210 and Duo Dock for a novice 
user. The problem I for see is that, for some of the day the user will be 
using IP on a non-subnetted class B  network over ethernet and in the 
evening on a subnetted class B network connected via ARA from Home. This 
presents me with the problem of how do I set this up to work 
transparently for the user ?

The current method of setting this up is to have MacTCP set to get it's
IP 
address from a  server (a sun on ethernet, and a Webster multigate on 
ARA), AND connect to only the subnetted world. No problem.

The only solution I can see is:

To have different MacTCP's for each use and go through a file move and 
reboot every time the user moves networks.

Can I specify different network/TCP configs for docked/not-docked using 
the docking technology ?

Can I do something fancy with a bootp server(s) to get over this ?

Any other suggestions ?

Thanks for any comments or suggestions,

Greg Newton-Ingham <Greg@sys.uea.ac.uk>
From: jbrowne@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP Sockets
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:34:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: zaphod.jbrowne.721442062
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

barisajj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Joe Barisa) writes:

>I recall reading here that there exists a "socket" library for MacTCP.
>Unfortunately I do not remember where it exists (assuming that it does)
>If anyone has any information about this please respond or send 
>me e-mail.  

NCSA has one in misc/unsupported on ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.  Happily, it isn't
based on any Telnet code.

 
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Jim Browne                                          | jbrowne@ncsa.uiuc.edu  |
NCSA/STG System Administrator                       | stgadmin@ncsa.uiuc.edu |
System Administration: Where the fun never ends...  | (217) 244-7798         |
--"It's really weird... kind of like how Telnet is programmed." - Q. Koziol --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: john@jlc.mv.com (John Leslie)
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 20:40:38 GMT

In article <1CE00001.hqtf08@tbomb.ice.com> time@ice.com (Tim Endres) writes:
>
>For those who *need* ARA, the price is cheap. For those who want to
>"play" it is expensive, and this is as it should be.

   I have read this statement several times, and remain confused.  Does
Tim _really_ mean that toys should be expensive, and only be sold to 
rich people?

John Leslie <john@jlc.mv.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: Good book on TCP/IP / Internet wanted
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:37:44 GMT

In article <01062012.ie0fi2@inter.interzone.ch>, chip@inter.interzone.ch
(Marc Liyanage) wrote:
> Now I'm looking for a good book that covers just about anything about
> the Internet and the protocols, numbering schemes etc.

Others have mentioned the RFC's and Comer's book.  Good ideas.  For a more
general introduction, you might consider Ed Krol's new book.  It's put out
by O'Reilly.  Unfortunately, I don't remember the title ("Whole Earth Guide
to the Internet" or something like that).  I haven't read the book myself,
but I:

a) have known Ed for a long time; it won't be crap
b) have heard from people that it's good

It's a user's approach, rather than a programmer's approach, if that
appeals.
--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Why does Apple want to eliminate cheap MacTCP applications?
From: peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au (Peter Broadribb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Connecting a Mac Network to the Internet via modems
Date: 8 Nov 1992 01:55:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au

I have a small AppleTalk network of Macs which I want to connect to the
Internet via a SLIP connection over modems. The Macs will run MacTCP, of
course.
 
What I believe I need to do is to use some sort of router to route between
the AppleTalk network and the SLIP line. Cost is a very big issue here.
 
The ideas I have are:
 
* Run MacSLIP on one of the Macs connected to the AppleTalk network, and
plug the modem into this Mac. This would get that Mac onto the Internet,
but is there any way to get the Mac to route packets to the rest of the
AppleTalk network?
 
* Run a program similar to PC Route, but on a Mac, to route between the
Mac's Printer Port (AppleTalk) and the Mac's Modem Port (the SLIP/modem
line). Is there such a program?
 
* Use a DOS machine with a LocalTalk card and a serial card, and run PC
Route (a freeware program), plugging the modem into the serial card. The
problem here is that PC Route has no knowledge about modems - it will not
be easy to get the modem to dial out, establish the connection, and send
the necessary commands before the SLIP connection starts up.
 
The questions I have are:
 
* Is there a product like PC Route but for the Mac?
 
* Has anyone else set up an AppleTalk network connected to the Internet via
modems? (How did you do it?)
 
* Where can I find (electronic) resources/documentation to give me more
information about the world of SLIP?
--
Peter Broadribb <peterb@gu.uwa.edu.au>         Home Phone: +61 (9) 470 3261
PO Box 856, Victoria Park WA 6100, Australia     Work fax: +61 (9) 324 2030
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony McDonald)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Phase I -> Phase II upgrading
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:22:40 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Newcastle Uni. Computing Services

Hi,
We have a problem (don't we all), in that the zone in which nearly
all our Mac's live is coming very close to the 253 machine/device limit.
I say 253 because we are running with transition routers.

Soon, in fact very soon, we will need to upgrade our network so that all
machines are running Ethertalk 2.0 (involves upgrading an Etherprint box
and searching out those boxes still running system software with Ethertalk
1.0 drivers - amongst other things).

Our setup consists of 3 Kinetics boxes and two Novell servers, with some
Unix machines as well (actually, we have many more Novell servers, but they
aren't running Mac NLM's and so don't have an impact on the AppleTalk
network).

I'd like to know what will happen to our network, if by the time the 253
machine/device limit is reached, we have not managed to get everything
upgraded to EtherTalk 2.0? - has this happened to someone before (and if it
has, please accept my condolences)

In addition, can someone tell me what will happen if we just go ahead and
upgrade the network to Ethertalk 2.0 (ie full extended network) WITHOUT
first seeking out the boxes that aren't running the correct software.

I envisage doing the upgrade by first declaring some additional zones and
network ranges and placing the details of these on the Kinetics boxes and
Novell servers - any reason why I shouldn't?

If these questions sound dumb (ie RTFM), then please tell me what FM I
should read.

Thanks in advance, and it goes without saying that I'll summarise to the
net if responses warrant.

ta, Tone.
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Tony McDonald (Tone)                       Tony.McDonald@ncl.ac.uk
Computing Officer - Apple Mac Support      namm2@ncl.uk.ac
Newcastle University, NE1 7RU, UK
From: jbrowne@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Telnet 2.6beta
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:29:00 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Howdy,

I've uploaded an early beta of NCSA Telnet 2.6.  You can find it in:

	outgoing/jbrowne	on ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu (141.142.20.50)


I would strongly suggest you not use this version on a regular basis.  I use
it daily, but I never am able to get Telnet to crash.  (Usually because I'm
the one trying to find the bugs.)

However, if you would like to help us out by beta-testing it for us, please
download it and let me know how it works.

I haven't checked the serial routines lately, so to answer a few quick 
questions:  

Is SLIP fixed?			I don't know.
Is the client FTP fixed?	No.
Well, what is fixed?		The MacTCP glue routines have been brought into
				 the '90s.  MPUT and MGET no longer leak 
				 memory.  FTP server much more stable.
Well, what else?		Some VT100 emulation fixes.
What about Int'l support?	A simple translation system has been 
				 implemented.  Soon a more elaborate scheme
				 will be available.
Any documentation?		Not yet.


-- 
Jim Browne                                          | jbrowne@ncsa.uiuc.edu  |
NCSA/STG System Administrator                       | stgadmin@ncsa.uiuc.edu |
System Administration: Where the fun never ends...  | (217) 244-7798         |
--"It's really weird... kind of like how Telnet is programmed." - Q. Koziol --
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:10918 comp.protocols.appletalk:3902
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: AppleTalk via MacTCP and SLIP?
From: Dale@Karsten.Mankato.MSUS.EDU
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:57:43 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Mankato State University
Keywords: AppleTalk MacTCP SLIP UDP IP

Is there a way to get a Macintosh to do AppleTalk over IP by using MacTCP
and one of SLIP extensions.  We have Shiva FastPath 5 routers configured for
AppleTalk over IP and they seem to  be working well.  All we need now is a
Macintosh Network control pannel device to run AppleTalk over IP
(provided by MacTCP and SLIP) to the FastPath routers on Campus.

My goal is to have our users dial into the campus via SLIP to do the usual
TCP/IP things but I would also like to give them access to the Campus
AppleTalk network at the same time.  And to take this even one step further,
I would also like to Bridge small remote AppleTalk networks into the campus
by installing Apple's Internet Router software on one of remote Macintoshes
with the MacTCP SLIP connection.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: simon@archsci.arch.su.edu.au (Simon Hayman)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: University of Sydney
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:42:33 GMT

> Sorry Apple, unless there is a rethink by you lot (and
> I have already asked for clarification), you've just lost to PCs, Unix,
> dumb terminals and X-terminals.  If this is the case (the fee), don't
> consider this just a lost battle - it's the whole shooting match.
> RMIT cannot afford this.  
> 		
> 		END OF STORY
> 
> Paul Menon

If the above is true, along with the other "cost recovery" stories around,
then I suspect that this Department will seriously consider ditching Macs
(c.40) within the year and there is likely to be a flow on to other
departments. Like RMIT, Sydney University is only just holding its head
above water plus large increases in Internet charges are on their way, if
the governmenet changes we will not be exempt from GST (sales tax
replacement), etc. Maybe we should just pull the plug...
From: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Can I make a printer attached to a Mac available to Ethertalk networks?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 10:47:48 PST
Organization: Fifth Generation Systems
Reply-To: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Nov4.224840.388@ncar.ucar.edu> (comp.sys.mac.comm), fredrick@acd.acd.ucar.edu (Timothy Fredrick) writes:
> 
> I have a Laserwriter IINT which I would like to make available on our
> Ethertalk network.  In this particular office, one MacIntosh IIci is hooked into
> ethertalk via the only available port (it's thicknet).  Does anyone know
> if I can make this LaserWriter available to the rest of the Ethertalk
> network via this Mac?  If so, how?   Is the necessary software available
> public domain? shareware? for purchase?
...

There is an ad in the December 1992 issue of MacUser from Sonic Systems,
Inc that has the product you describe.  

The contact info is: (800) 535-0725 order/info or (408) 736-1900 voice or (408) 736-7228 fax

Product is: SuperBridge $249.00

Description is: SuperBridge allos up to 5 LocalTalk devices to be
on Ethernet without any additional Ethernet hardware.  These 5 LocalTalk
devices can be Macs, printers, network modems, etc.  In fact the devices
can 'see' each other as well as being able to access all Ethernet
services.

NOTE: I am not familiar with this company nor am I recommending this
product.  I cannot answer any questions about it.  All I know is what
I read in the ad.

for all FGS products FIFTHGEN@aol.com
for AutoDoubler & DiskDoubler techsupport@salient.com