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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:48:21 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      oh joy
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   The students are back.....This univ. is so much better during the summer.

   Heard a band called Too Much Joy this weekend.  Didn't pay much attention
to them, but they sounded good, like a cross between Big Audio Dynamite and,
and, hmmm, someone else that escapes me right now.  One memorable song was
called "King of Beer".  No need for a smiley there.  XTC, that's the other
band.  A cross between BAD and XTC.  Sort of an alphabet stew.

   Music in my office?  None.  I can't get any work done with music going;
I pay too much attention to the music.

   Went to buy the latest Flectone CD, but it was sold out.  Clerk at
Strawberries had an IQ of 2.  But that's twice what the friendly (?!)
blue-haired woman at the motor vehicle division had......

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:59:06 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: who said it

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:01:26 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>This is just a paragraph out of a book that i thought was interesting
>
>People ask me how i make music, i tell them i just step into it.

   Hmmm... sounds like a scatological reference to me.
   Either Mozart or Frank Zappa. Is Karen Finley singing now?

>like stepping into a river and joining the flow . Every moment in the
>river has its song. So i stay in the moment and listen.
>What i hear is never the same. A walk through the woods brings a light,
>crackling song: Leaves rustle in the wind, birds chatter and squirrels
>scold, twigs crunch underfoot, and the beat of my heart holds it all together

   Oh he/she's getting pastoral on us. John Denver or any New Ager? Burl Ives?
Ted Nugent?

>When you join the flow, the music is inside and outside, and both are the
>same. As long as i can listen to the moment, I'll always have music.

  Descent into gibberish. Garcia? Hendrix? Jim Morrison? Kenny G.? Michael
Bolton? David Gilmour? Grace Slick? Little Richard? Thomas Dolby? Rita
Coolidge? George Winston? Chuck Mangione? Debbie Boone? Anyone from L.A.?
>
>I bet no one can guess who said that, but you better try or i'll start
>everyone talking about German music again.

 Well, now we know it wasn't a German musician. At least that's clear.

 Leonard, this isn't a trick question, is it? Is this actually an old Cheech
 and Chong routine or something?
 Rick
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:04:34 EDT
From:         HELP%Help%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: ALLMUSIC confessional: secret loves and hidden desires

Jeff Preston says:

" Since Dave's been away for a while, allow me to make the introductions.
Dave, meet the Armstrong fellow; Armstrong fellow, meet Dave. Dave is our
resident activist and all-round wild man. Dave, this here Armstrong feller
is our new country fan on the list. You might come to think of him as our
"country Ruxpig," since he seems to have as large a fixation on Billy RAY
Cyrus as the Ruxpugnant one has with Axl."

Jeff - just what is the definition of a "Country Ruxpig"  Sounds like to me
that you have fixation about pigs.

Jeff from reading your past message - you must be the asshole of the list.


Sonia says:

"I just read your post and I have to say, I am more shocked at this moment that
any moment since I've joined this net.  After reading all your other posts, I
just cannot believe YOU like MADONNA!?"

Sonia I don't think David needs to explain himself..  Please explain why you
don't like Madonna..  I think Madonna can do it better than anyone..  I want
say what in..

The only thing I see going up in smoke is you making complaints about somebody
liking Maddonna.
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:07:00 EDT
From:         "nathan w. knight, jr." <$AVR@PCCJES2.BITNET>
Subject:      other types of music

Hey guys,

It seems as if the only types of music you discuss is jazz, rock, progressive,
or pop. I need to know if anyone knows where I can find a copy of Reinhold
Gliere's complete "Red Poppy Ballet" (any classical music lovers among you
might be familiar with the "Russian Sailor's Dance" from that ballet).

Who among you listens to rap music? classical music? any other forms not
discussed the past 2 days? Let me know. Thanks!

Nathan
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:51:53 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Columnated ruins domino

From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Satriani !?!?!?!

> anybody know what happened to wake this guy up and bring some real music out
> of him (always an interesting question)?

He was always a more interesting guitarist than he let on, but _Surfing with
the Alien_ was such a huge success that his handlers leaned on him to stick
with that bombastic style for the next few albums. It's good that he's opening
up a little, although I thought it was only a little-- I still think there's
too much of that double kick drum noise that Zappa used to call "the Quaalude
Thunder." But the basic tracks were recorded live in the studio, rather than
assembled with the digital zircon-encrusted tweezers, so it sounds pretty
human for a change.

From:         Jeff Beer <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rap

> kissing Miles' ass.  But all in all, it was just enough to make you
> wonder what Miles would have done with rap had he lived longer.  Could
> he have done to rap what he did to rock in the 70s?   Considering how
> much room for developement there is in rap.  Could he have found some
> players to do the job?

What the fuck did Miles ever do for rock? The Great Fusion Boom he propagated--
by equipping his sidemen with electrified gear and sending them out to record
zillions of identical, overly busy fusion sessions-- had the ultimate effect of
overpopulating the ecological niche that progressive rock staked out, so by the
time people figured out that the rock-based Soft Machine was at least as smart
as the (allegedly) jazz-based Return to Forever, both bands had collapsed. I
think fusion set rock back 20 years, and I think it's fair, at least in part,
to blame Miles.

But I agree, there's plenty of room for growth in rap. A friend played me the
Cypress Hill record last night-- the grooves sounded to me much like the stuff
Miles did from about _On the Corner_ to his '70s retirement. Needed a good
soloist, of course...

From:         doug anders <doug@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Subject:      Chris Squire Import CD's

> On a different subject, has Steve Hackett, ex-Genesis guitarist, been
> recording anything interesting lately? Is there any word on the release of
> Peter Gabiel's next album?

Steve Hackett is touring the United States and Canada right now, in support of
his new live album _Time Lapse_, just out on the Caroline label. It consists of
stuff from two concerts, recorded ten years apart. It's okay-- the early stuff
is better. I'm told that John Hackett (flute, 2nd guitar) does not appear on
the current tour, and that the new keyboard player sucks.

Peter Gabriel's _Us_ is due out at the end of this month. Then he's supposed to
tour. This will further postpone the King Crimson reunion, because Gabriel will
want to use Tony Levin.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:54:08 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: the ROCKER file
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              Aug 25, 92 4:14 pm

>I have put the ROCKER01 ZIP file on the LISTSERV.  To get the file, you
>can issue the command:

	I guess I must've missed it, but what is in this file?? It
sounds interesting.


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    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:40:18 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Will the real Gary please stand up...

Gary (not me) sed:

>Hey Derek, we have two Gary's on the list. I am Gary, he is the OTHER Gary.
>Get it right. :-)

	Hey, wait! Seniority rules, so I get to choose my proper title.
From now on, please refer to me as "King Gary, the humble"!


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    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:58:00 EDT
From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      The mighty Page...(pull the other one)

Page in truth,
  The guitarist sooth
For the Mighty Led Zeppelin Train:

Skill he had
  and played - not bad -
For every fan, his powerful refrain,

But alack
  He was a Hack
And his talent was his STUDIO brain.

Waxing Rhapsodic
  On his music melodic
Will leave your veracity without stain,

But placing Page
  as Guitar sage
Will bring it naught but pain.

                                          Love and Kisses
                                          Ed.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:47:58 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: are you Cyrus?

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:33:17 EDT jcs said:
>>>
>>Why doesn't everyone lay off the Billy Ray Cyrus fan there is music for
>everyon
>>e and he chooses to like that, and everyone knocking his musical taste is
>>getting old, he may not like miles or jimi but he's not knocking them all the
>>time......L.W.
>
>We pick on this guy not because he's a billy rae fan, but because he's
>an  eejit, plain and simple.
Then why bother do you have a eejit fetish, not trying to be a smartass
but this group is for everyone into music even eejits, maybe people feel
the same about you, but they aren't always attacking you personally
If you must attack someone try me, and give him a break. thanks,,L.W.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:51:19 CDT
From:         "The Truth (some assembly required)" <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Another gem from the past...

Since you are posting bad country song titles, try "Here's a Quarter
(Call someone who cares)"

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
From: dutkowsk5111@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: DIR/ALL
Date: 30 Aug 92 13:12:50 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Help me,
  Sre there any of you out there who recorded the Dennis Miller show? I have
been looking for some time now for anyone who recorded the show that had
Ray Manzarek and Micael McClure on it.  If any of you have this on tape please
e-mail me!  I am looking for either an audio or video recording of the
interview and performance.  Please!! Sombody Help Me!!

-Dave
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:23:54 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Blind patriotism -- no OMC

On Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:01:21 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>The Land of the free, so that means we can pray in schools now, can i pick and
>choose who i hire regardless, can i have a nativity scene in public,
>that's great news when did this land of the free start happening i've missed it
>My child can go to the school he chooses now, this is wonderful news
>BTW name an instance when the gov said you can't be gay or atheist I'll wait
>now we can fly the confderate flag now that we all have this freedom
>pick who we want in our private clubs this is great, thanks for the update

You've always been able to pray in schools.  My problem is that the STATE tried
to FORCE me to pray in school, something I refused to do and was punished for.
You can also pick who you want to have in your "private clubs," as long as they
truly are *private*, ie, not supported by public funds in any way, shape, or
form.  You can certainly have a nativity scene on your own private property,
but why do you think the state should allow one on property that belongs to
all, when the Constitution clearly separates church and state?  As for your
other "freedoms" it sounds as if you want the freedom to discriminate against
others.  Which you have *ALWAYS* been able to do. . . in private.  Not in
public.  If you don't understand why you cannot do so in public, I suggest,
oh, about 10 or 15 years of historical study.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:55:00 EDT
From:         "alt.wasted.time" <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Rap

>Have you listened to anything by Consolidated? They are in much the same

Are they the ones who do "Sexual Politics of Meat"?  Great tune!

later days and sunny rays,
                          D.T>
-----------------------+---------------------------+-------------------------
Derek Tiffany          | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | URICH, cuz you gotta be
University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu    |<= djt{zero}u@aurora...
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"i think i've reached that point
 where every wish has come true
 and tired disguised oblivion
 is everything i do"
                                - The Cure
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:58:01 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: You say you want a revolution
              27 Aug 1992 11:53:06 EDT from <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:53:06 EDT Gary Hanley said:
>Mike on Mike:
>
>>*ever* taken a walk through the woods, other than in Disneyland? Besides, the
>>beat of his heart is the beat of cash registers all over America. He's also
>>the one who licenced John Lennon to sell athletic shoes.
>
>	Oh yeah, that's right. MJ owns most (all?) of the beatles songs,
>so he sold John out. I remember hearing that the reason the Beatles
>albums were so late being released in CD format was because MJ wanted
>a bigger percentage than the business usually allows.
>
Mr jackson doesn't have a monopoly on getting big bucks by "selling out'
carly simon did it well, anyway right or wrong Michael purchasing the
rights was a very smart business move, he out did paul m. on that deal
I guess the songs didn't mean enuff to paul, the meant more to M.J.
Mr Clapton sold out to michelob one of the drugs that has hurt him
in the past. What about motown and the raisins, doesn't bob seger have
a car commercial. talk about wierd M.J. is wierd compared to most of us
but compared to his peers Elvis,john lennon, jim morrision, ....etc
he's the norm for that kind of star. I'm not comparing his talent to
these people (although he's a somewhat a genuis, like it or not)
Just because you don't care for him you've still got to admit he's talented
and smarter than most of the "mainstream" performers. Bruce Springsteen
sold out to big business INHO along with Bonnie Raitt, Clapton and a
slew of others. So b4 you knock M.J. think about the others
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:41:23 CDT
From:         "The Truth (some assembly required)" <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      The great guitar solos

*I agree, to a point, with Chainsaw, saying that David Gilmour is
*a good guitarist. He's not, however, a fave rave.

             One of These Days -- DSOT (who in rock plays steel guitars these
                                         days?)
*Alain Jourgansen of Ministry, on "Jesus built my Hot rod"

Dave
t9aa@sdsumus.bitnet
Anyone can become ANGRY. That is easy. But to be angry with the
right person, to the right degree, at the right time, foir the right
purpose and in the right way - that is not easy.
              --Aristotle

Disclaimer: The opinions contained in this post are insightful
and brilliant. Obviously, these are not those of the Computer
Department, Administration, Faculty or Student Body of South
Dakota State University.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:59:02 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Quicksilver and Soldier's Joy

Mostly for MHB, but also of general interest.

Count me as a another net.defender of _Shady Grove_.

Re: Michelle Shocked's assertion that Soldier's Joy == Morphine:

I'm pretty sure that Soldier's Joy (the tune) predates morphine, which I
believe was introduced *after* the Civil War, and not during it as Shocked
claims.  I meant to check on this after I heard her make this claim in concert;
I'll do it now for sure.  I would hate to see a decent fiddle tune get ex-
propriated by the Politically Correct Musical Left in support of God Knows
What.

BTW, Shocked's version of Soldier's Joy sucks, IMNSHO.

-Scott "Grumpy Curmudgeon" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:15:35 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Hawkwind - Way cool!
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	I finally aquired my first Hawkwind CD yesterday. I placed
an order with Noteworthy Friday night, and it arrived yesterday
afternoon. I didn't have a lot of time to listen to it yesterday,
but I put it on and listened through the first half before I had
to leave. The disk is _Space Bandits_, and from the opening riffs,
I knew I found a new (musical) love. You were right John, it is
kinda science fiction-ish like. I like it! Anyway, I picked up my
CD bible and looked up Hawkwind, and saw that most of the ones
that have been recommended are indeed imports (mostly UK). So,
I think my next import will most likely be the _...Mountain
Grill..._ disk (I forget the exact title).

	Also picked up Tangerine Dream's _Underwater Sunlight_,
(per a previous discussion), and XTC's _Rag & Bone Buffet_.

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    Gary Hanley
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:54:30 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mixing board
              31 Aug 1992 12:59:27 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Audio Mixers...

It is better to have more channels to work with in the end,
because of the inevitability of getting other effects.
A lot of people tend to run the mixed signal output
directly into the effects box and to the tape recorder.
Although it is easier that way, it is not really flexible.
What I learned to do is use the effects send pot to add a little
or a lot of an effect to individual lines--but I send back the effected
signal on two other channels back to the mixer (being careful not to
turn up the effects send on those two lines, of course).  Thus, the effects
return is not used at all.  This technique can also be used with the
monitor pot.  So, if the effects boxes are stereo out/mono in, they can be used
this way rather easily (e.g., delay for channels 6 and 7, reverb for 8 and 9).
However, this would require the mixer to have
more channels for effect returns.

On the subject of multiple effects boxes, they are great if you as an
individual musician are trying to get a cool sound for your guitar.
However, for mixing, they are useless unless the individual effects
can be sent to separate outputs (Zoom 9020 does this, I think.  It has
the ability to chain multiple effect together in series to a stereo out,
or it can send two different sets of effects to two pairs of outputs.)
My opinion is, if you can, go modular, but make sure the effects can be
accessed through MIDI, so that they still can be chained together externally.
This will give you more flexibility in sound in the end.

I hope that helps a little bit.
Mike Masuda.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:08:33 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: politics

On Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:46:59 -0400 Matthew Keith Egan  said:
>Can anyone name any truly political bands that are conservative?  It
>always seems to me that art in general and music in particular lean very
>strongly to the left.
>

Let's see, well, Neil Young supported Reagan. The Beach Boys supported Bush
(in fact, they were supporting him back in 1980, when he ran against Reagan
in the primaries), although Mike Love took some onstage potshots at him
recently, so I'm told. Bob Dylan has been criticized by some of our more
thin-skinned political-correctiods for his support of Israel (cf the tune
"Neighborhood Bully" on his fine _Infidels_ set). The Ramones, in their
early days, used to adopt a right-wing political stance, but that was
probably more for shock value than anything else. My own feeling, from the
various big- and small-time rockers I've met over the years, is that most
are far more conservative than the popular public profile would have you
believe.

Then, of course, we have country music (collective groan from everyone)...
I'll let somebody else play with THAT one. :-)

David, playing at home
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