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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Phx/Seattle
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:11:22 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Arizona State University

>5. (6,6,6,6,6,6,7,7,8,8,8,8,8,7,8,9,9,5,7,6,4,5) SEA (46-34) -+ | |
>                                                              |-+ |
>4. (4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,3,4,4,3,4,4,3,3,5,7,8,A,C,6) PHO (51-29) -+   |

This will be the best first round game after watching last nights action.
I only saw the second half, but I guess there were some words exchanged
between at least KJ and someone.  The Suns were up by 28 in the middle
of the 3rd when the refs decided it was time to go home.  It was a
mistake.  There was so much banging going on - it was really ugly.  It
caome to a point when Ceballos took a "pass"?? off the backboard from
Burtt (he'll call it a pass anyways) and went to lay it up.  Ceballos
is pretty quick so when Kemp came over to challange he was way late.
The shot went in and Kemp's elbow went into Ceballos face and the follow
through pushed him to the floor - no call.  Ceballos is laying on the
ground for the next couple minutes and everybodys pissed.

Then with about 3 minutes left some guy for Seattle is breaking for a
layup after a steal and Dan Majerle (best player in the NBA) tries to
block it.  He's late too hitting the guy on the shoulder before he could
get the shot off.  The guy goes down hard and starts coming at Dan (yea
right).  Majerle's *thrown out of the game*.  Shit, he had a decent
shot at the ball and it probably would have been a simple foul had the
guy not landed hard (uncoordinated bastard).

Anyways, should set up an interesting first round.  Majerle was player
of the game - 17 pts in the 2nd (3-3 3s) when the game got blown out.
Best player in the NBA, hands down.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: h0j1297@rigel.tamu.edu (BURT J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:29:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Heck yeah!

The Celtics are going to Punish Person's Pacers!
                         Trash Jordan's Cows
                         Rip Daugherty's Cavs
                    and  Destroy Hardaway's Warriors!

Go Celtics!
From: burkems@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: 100000
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:38:25 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm sick of this Celtic bashing that I've
seen poste dlately?
The fact is the Celtics have the second best record in their division and have 
just beat the top three teams in the East(Chicago,Cleveland and New York).
And as for the Larry Bird haters out there. Bird is still one of the top three
players in the league(yes, seriously).
This is the year the Celts will win their seventeenth world championship and
Bird, Mchale and Parish will get yet another championship ring. Sorry Michael.



Matt
From: toocool@diku.dk (Peter Lau Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: NBA stats.
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:00:12 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Where can I get NBA stats? I have heard that they could be found at
wuarchive.wustl.edu but I can't find them. Please help.

Thanks in advance.

  *****************************************************************
  *  toocool@diku.dk          *    Department of Computer Science *
  *  Peter Lau Hansen	      *      University of Copenhagen     *
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  *  Law, without force, is impotent                              *
  *            --- Pascal.                                        *
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  *  toocool@diku.dk          *    Department of Computer Science *
  *  Peter Lau Hansen	      *      University of Copenhagen     *
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Oh yeah smartypants?
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:21:52 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <kujimvINNs5u@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
>Who said I don't know anything about AIDS?  All I was making a point about was >that Larry doesn't currently have it (to the best of my knowledge) and that
>shows something about responsibility.  I was not speaking of Larry asking
>people about AIDS.  BTW, I am not ignorant, I be a Mensan, member # 1130662
>with a 140 I.Q., so what's yours?

Hmm.  What does the fact that Arthur Ashe *does* have AIDS say about his
being responsible?  I guess he should have been more careful about his
cholesterol intake so he wouldn't have needed bypass surgery.  Isn't it at
least as likely that Larry Bird isn't HIV+ because he has been lucky, rather
than particularly responsible?

BTW, you weren't accused of being unintelligent, you were accused of being
ignorant.  Here's the difference.  A person with a 140 IQ is certainly
intelligent, but he may still be ignorant about AIDS, or about the meaning
of the word "ignorant".
From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Score ??
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:11:15 GMT
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio

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          Does anybody know the score of last night's game between
PHOENIX and the L.A. LAKERS ??

                                                               Miguel
From: gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory)
Subject: Re: Lakers / Rockets tie breaker?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:16:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.170145.22660@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>The folks on TV keep saying that if the Lakers & Rockets end up tied,
>the Rockets will have the tie breaker.  But my numbers show that the
>season series is 2-2, and that their conference record will be tied
>if they tie(*) on total record.
>
>Anybody knows what the deciding tie breaker is?  It can't be divisional
>record, I reckon(**).
>
>
>--Gidi
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>(*) Currently, Houston is 41-37, 25-25 in the west.  The Lakers are 40-37,
>24-25.  All their remaining games are in conference, of course.
>
>(**) Houston is 12-12 in the Midwest and have two more: at Utah and at
>Dallas. The Lakers are a pitiful 11-16 in the Pacific, with 3 games
>remaining: @Sac, @Port, LAC.  So Houston could possibly be 12-14 (.462),
>while the Lakers might go as high as 14-16 (.467).
>


Third tie breaker is: the best record, against teams with winning records.

Peter


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Bulls Yea Pistons No
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:22:15 GMT

In article <ddrumm.21r1@amiganet.chi.il.us> ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes:

<discussion of the Bulls hammering the mighty Clippers deleted.  I know that
I'm waiting to see the rematch in the finals.>

   On the other hand, the Pistons got utterly destroyed 119-85 and Ledell
   Eckles

Why do the Pistons automatically follow in your mind from the Bulls, Daniel?
The Bulls won.  Deal with it.  They didn't show much class, and they
certainly had a lot of malice, but they won.  Nothing you do is going to
change that.  The Pistons aren't nearly in the same league as the Bulls this
year.  If the Piston's play consumes  you so much, I'd say the future doesn't look
too bright.

   Maybe these two teams can meet again, and the Bulls get out the brooms for
   another sweep. Pistons would probably just walk off the court refusing to
   shake hands, once again. 

Live it up while you can.  The Bulls are certainly on top now, but things do
have a way of changing.  Its just good to see that you've got about as much
style as your team has, taking victory so gracefully.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: littaum@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: NBA Most Improved Player
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:33:38 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

In article <1992Apr7.213246.22093@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>man award.  As for coach of the year, the Travelin' Man won't win any awards
>unless he actually does something.  Clips are only playing to potential.
>Pat Riley is probably the favorite for that award.

All I can say is that talent-wise the Clips should have been a playoff
team for years but they simply lacked something.  They did take off this year
<well, comparitively> but the clips are comfortably above .500 despite Charles
Smith and Doc Rivers being out for large chunks of the season.  Don Casey and
Mike Schuler and countless others couldn't do it, but it appears Larry can.
From: ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Legend Bird
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:40:50 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <204358@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.144221.27898@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (D
>r. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>>> Now go and take that 20ppg, 10rpg and 7apg and compare it to the Mailman's
>>> stats. I am sick of hearing how Bird would be so much "better" for the Olymp
>ic
>I entirely agree with you, lets compare numbers and get over this sentimentally
>
>biased rubbish. In the process lets throw in SCOTTIE PIPPEN for good measure,
>How is it that some people have to satisfy a statistical criterion while others
>
>are eulogized and canonised without ever accomplishing statistics of any 
>significant worth ?
>
>Makala
Makala, the person who you quoted didn't write that. I did. And I have been
countered by Dave Meeks who feels that Bird is still putting up good numbers
and provides other aspects that Malone does not. I don't agree with him, but I
respect that view. Bird himself has questioned his own ability to be
consistent in recent news articles. They did take the Bulls Saturday, though.
I just think after the grind of the playoffs, no way is Bird going to be able
to play in the Olympics. Too much. As for Pippen, he did get snubbed by the
All-Star team before. This year, he's pretty darn good. Are there better small
forwards who deserve it more? Who? I'd be happy to agree with you if you put
up some names and they're better forwards than Pippen.
From: jsvastis@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN SAM VASTIS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:00:39 GMT
Reply-To: jsvastis@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN SAM VASTIS)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

M.J. !
From: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Where to get NBA stats and GIFS for $
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:01:22 GMT
Reply-To: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

If you have a commerical database service like CompuServe or Delphi, you can get
NBA gifs there.  and on CompuServe, GO NCAA and you can get the stats for college and pro

Neil
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Home Court for Det-Bos????
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:18:16 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.144604.29281@crd.ge.com> hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley) writes:
>
> 
>|>>
>|>Boston gets the home court advantage because they've already won the 
>|>season series with Detroit, with one game left to play between the two 
>|>teams (I don't believe the Pistons have beaten the Celts this season).
>|>
>|>On another note, wouldn't it be ironic if the Celts overtook NY in the 
>|>Atlantic for that coveted #2 seed, only to find Indiana had slipped to the 
>|>7th spot?
>
>Cleveland has already cinched up the #2 spot, but the possibility still exists
>for Boston to play Indiana, ie if Boston overtakes NY (more than likely)
>and Indiana holds off New Jersey (less than likely) this would make for 
>a #3 vs #6 matchup - reminiscent of last year's playoffs
>
>Chris Hanley
>Die Hard 76ers fan: Shaq and Barkley in 92'
>hanley@crd.ge.com

But remember, though Cleveland has locked up the 2nd best record in the
East, The Atlantic divisional winner gets the #2 seed.  They get home
court advantage just like anyother team, as long as their record was better.
If either team plays Cleveland, Cleveland would get the home court.  At
this point, I believe the Atlantic winner would get #7 (Indiana, New Jersey,
or Miami).  

Kind of funny, all three teams, the Knicks, Celtics, and Pistons have 3
games remaining, with 2 road games and 1 home game.  New York has a pretty 
easy schedule, with games vs. Washington, at Atlanta, and at Milwaukee, but
they haven't been playing well of late.  The Celtics, they play at
Philadelphia tomorrow, then the key game at Detroit.  They finish up at
home vs. Miami, which could be another very important game (as the Celts
could be fighting for 1st and the Heat could be just trying to make the 
playoffs.  The Celtics, however, are 12-1 in their last 13 games.  
The Pistons, also hot at the moment, have to play at Milwaukee, against
the Celtics, and then finish up their season at Chicago.  Detroit has to
win 2 games more than the Celtics in their last 3, not very likely, as a 
tie will not do it.  The Celtics have to do 1 better than the Knicks, as I 
believe the Cs won the series this year, and a tie would favor them as well.

Should be very interesting...

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" Strange how laughter looks like crying
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  with no sound.
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  Raindrops taste like tears, without
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||  the pain."
From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Where are they now?  The UseNet Draft of '91
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:02:57 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

A year later, here's a look at the UseNet draft (and the real draft).

Team			UseNet Draft	Actual Draft
Charlotte Hornets	Billy Owens	Larry Johnson
New Jersey Nets		Larry Johnson	Kenny Anderson
Sacramento Kings	Kenny Anderson	Billy Owens (traded for Mitch Richmond)
  These three got permuted in the actual draft, with the Nets losing by 
  taking Scott Turner's favorite player.  Both Johnson and Owens (read:
  Richmond) have turned out well for their teams.

Denver Nuggets		Stacey Augmon	Dikembe Mutombo
  While Augmon has done well in Atlanta, Mutombo has done better in Denver.
  Augmon is a poor choice this high.

Miami Heat		Doug Smith	Steve Smith
  UseNet drafter had the wrong Smith.  Doug is not prospering in Dallas.

Dallas Mavericks	Rodney Monroe	Doug Smith
  The Mavs blew this pick, but so did the UseNetter.

Minnesota Timberwolves	Brian Williams	Luc Longley
  The T'Wolves should have listened to Shari Nelson or maybe they wouldn't
  be putting 11 balls in the bin this year.  Brian Williams is inspired.

Washington Bullets	Dikembe Mutombo	Traded to Denver, who took Mark Macon
  Well, Mutumbo (a great pick) wasn't available, so Denver took NBA bust Macon.

LA Clippers		Steve Smith	Traded to Atlanta, who took Augmon
  Scott T. took Steve Smith, who wasn't available in the "real" draft.  
  Atlanta did well with Augmon, I think.
  
Orlando Magic		Stanley Roberts	Brian Williams
  The Magic got Roberts anyhow, but with a lower pick (#23).

Cleveland Cavs		Mark Macon	Terrell Brandon
  I haven't heard much about Brandon in Cleveland.  He was Mark Price 
  insurance, which the Cavs didn't have to cash in, right?  Macon seems to
  be a bust in Denver.

New York Knicks		Keith Jennings	Greg Anthony
  UseNet drafter read too much hype.  Anthony is OK.

Here's the rest, without commentary.  With the exception of the Golden State GM,
who was out-to-lunch, these are all pretty reasonable, except nobody took Rick
Fox, despite my prodding.

Indiana Pacers		Shaun Vandivier Dale Davis
Seattle Sonics		Dale Davis	Rich King
Atlanta Hawks		Luc Longley	Anthony Avent
Golden State Warriors	Andrew Vlahov	Chris Gatling
Golden State Warriors	Chris Corchiani	Victor Alexander
Milwaukee Bucks		Chris Gatling	Kevin Brooks
Denver Nuggets		Eric Murdock	to Bullets, who took LaBradford Smith
Houston Rockets		Terrell Brandon	John Turner
Utah Jazz		Greg Anthony	Eric Murdock
LA Clippers		Rich King	LeRon  Ellis
Orlando Magic		Mark Randall	Stanley Roberts
Boston Celtics		John Turner	Rick Fox
Golden State Warriors	Chad Gallagher	Shaun Vandivier
Chicago Bulls		Perry Carter	Mark Randall
Sacramento Kings	Rick Fox	Pete Chilcutt

Philadelphia 76'ers	Pete Chilcutt	
Detroit Pistons		LaBradford Smith 
Phoenix Suns		Victor Alexander 
LA Lakers		Kevin Lynch	
Portland Trailblazers	Greg Carter	
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:21:07 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <31656@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> otran@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oai Tran)  
writes:
> Bird is not the best at one thing, he's simply the best at
> everything that deals with basketball.  Granted, he's not the
> scoring machines that Jordan and Chamberland are, and he's not
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^

I assume you mean Wilt Chamberlain.

> leader in assist like Stockton, Magic, and Robertson are, and he's
> not the rebounder that Jabbar is, but he's the best all around
                         ^^^^^^

Are you watching the same sport as the rest of us?  If so, why
list Jabbar as your rebounding example. There are lots of better
choices: Chamberlain, Russell, Reed, even Dennis Rodman.

> player that played the game; certainly one of the top forwards to
> play the game.  

There is a big difference between "one of the top forwards to play
the game" (which he certainly is) and "the best all around player that
played the game" (in the top 5 perhaps, but I'd argue with THE
best).

>His career averages are 25ppg, 10rpg, and 6apg. 

If you reverse those last two numbers, I'd bet you'd get something
close to Oscar Robertson's figures.

 --
Jim Mann                                       
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com 
Stratus Computer
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From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:05:07 GMT

In article <sclqdINNjkb@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM writes:
>Not to throw more gasoline on the raging Larry Bird debate, but...
>
>                                  Plus having watching the Celtics all year
>I say the Celtics are a better team without him.

Oh, of course.  That's why they had that wonderful 12-17 record
without him.  (NO, they *didn't* get any better after McHale and Dee
Brown came back).
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird, a real pro
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:03:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <ku8o7aINN5k7@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
>Great another Bird watcher!  I'm sick of all this Bird bashing, too.  
I am sick of all this Bird ass-kissing, which intentionally brings
an unrelated third party (the Lakers) into the picture.

>Let the guy rest.  
OK, so just concentrate on the Bird, why mention the Lakers?

>After all, how many players can play 12 years and
>running and still get those stats?  After all, didn't Kareem get just
>, Oh my God!, 10.1 points per game in 1988!?!?!?  
Nope, sonny, it's 1989!

See, you make the same mistake as the other people do. Other people
shouldn't use a 28-year-old to bash your 35 year-old? 

No problem. Then why do you use a 35 year-old to bash a 42 year-old?

Let's see whether Larry can average 10.1 ppg in 1999 before you put
Kareem into the picture, OK?

Afterall, a 35 year-old Kareem was still the focus of the Lakers offense,
scoring ~23ppg, and led the team to the 1982 champsionhip.

>Why hasn't he been hacksawed?  
He has. Were you born in 1989? He even joked on it himself "They 
are waving me off. I am not part of the offense anymore."

>But I bet whichever team
>had the #1 pick in 1978 wishes they had bird!  (and probably L.A., to, 
>after all, who's still playing?  
Well, playing is not enough. Who has more rings?

>And who acts responsibly on *and* off the court?  And who is monogamous 
>with their wife???)
Oh, so monogamous with his wife is a prerequisite to play in the NBA?

What if he had no wife at that time? Boy, he didn't get marry until last
summer.  Are you going to bash all the people who choose to stay single at 
a certain age?

This is not soc.singles or alt.romance!

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: bis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Bis)
Subject: Re: Hottest team in the NBA
Organization: Bis Information Services
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:47:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.190553.14945@ncsu.edu> jsvastis@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN SAM VASTIS) writes:
>	With the exception of Larry Johnson ( aka Larry LEGEND II )
>J.R. Reid is the second best power forward in the game. 

What about Larry Johnson's grandmama?  She's pretty good, too.
From: otran@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oai Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics without Bird
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:22:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	Granted, the Celtics did beat two very good teams in the
last few days, but how could a Celtic fan (it sounds like you are
one) make that claim about BIRD.  I agree with you that the team is
better with him (just look at their record with him and without him)
but Bird is still (well almost) as good as a few years back.  His
decline occurred after his injury in 1989 (or 88).  You have to keep
into consideration that in the games he does not do well, it's
probably because of his constant back problems.  I'm sure that if he
is 100%, the Celts are going all the way.  Nevertheless, he is still
keeping his stats up there: 20.5ppg, 9.5rpg, 6.5apg, 47% FG, 93% FT,
and 41% three-pointers.  Regardless of your claim being true or not
(I myself see him lacking on D sometimes but point this out to his
ongoing injury problems, mainly his bad back), but making such a
claim on Bird is inexcusable.  The Celts would be nothing without
his, and his legend status should shield him from any criticism.  Go
Celts - I would like them to take one more, for old times sake and
for the old timers (sort to speak) on the team.

Oai Tran