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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
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              15,92 4:05 pm

Dave Reimer has commented on these topics, and Kenneth Salzberg
wrote........

>
>
> Mervyn,
>     1.      I too am puzzled.  I do not remember any procedure for
> transferring address blocks to letters with the key sequence (or any
> other) you note.  My 3.1 gives me the search sequence with those
> keystrokes: F1-l(layout)-s(search)-(no "t" choice, but prompted for
> the subdirectory parameters).  Which would result in a
> "se [directory]*[file.names]*"
> sort of search.  There is no entry for such a procedure in my manual
> under "address" and I have no idea what you are talking about.
>
>

The procedure I refer to is described on pp. B6-12,13 of the v. 3
Manual: merging text-block files. A text-block file is defined as one
with a three-character extension ending with a hyphen. Is there a
change between 3.0 and 3.1 on this?? The UK help line seemed to think
that the facility is simply absent from v. 4. I use .ad- to denote
addresses, hence a possible confusion.

     2.      As I said, marking a block, going to the action line with
> either F9 or F8, then gray+ puts the block on the action line.  Great
> improvement.
>
>

No way. This copies the block in the text. I actually found this
problem when trying to copy a run of hard spaces which recurs
throughout a file I was tidying up after importing it; rather than
painfully counting something like 15 spaces and then repeating them on
the command line, I tried copying the block. All I got was a string of
hard spaces twice as long.

V. 3 could do this - I did it almost daily, in fact. Is there
something bedevilling just hard spaces? I'll look again when I've
finished this; but if it's possible to copy anything EXCEPT hard
spaces, then I still won't apologise.

I'm not starting the festive season well. The weather here is
depressing, and the news from SA appalling but not the material for
this List. Itamar - tell me a joke.... we need one!
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Laser Twin 5.0, NB4, and the moon
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>
> Hugh Agnew asks if Laser Twin 5.0 works with Lingua.  I don't normally use
> Lingua, but I don't have to in order to give you the answer that Lingua's
> Hebrew, Cyrillic, and Greek characters are not scalable and work with the
> 10, 12, and 14 point fonts provided by NB/Lingua (eventually 11 point, too).
>
> Mark D. Szuchman, History, FIU
>
   I'm very interested in the LaserTwin info and appreciate the details
reported in the previous posting on this.  I also noted with even greater
interest that Mark S. is an NEC Pinwriter user, and think I'm asking anything
but the moon in my intense wish to have printer drivers for the 2200 -- and the
3200 (one home, other in the office) -- that do all the fonts and bells and
whistles with them -- e.g. double-height -- which NB 3.1. made them do, with my
NB/Lingua 4.0.  In having tried to get support for this I've come to feel about
as effective as a dog baying at the moon... and yet I'm asking only to get back
the amount of printer utility that I had with NB 3.1.  Having gotten all that
off my chest once more, my question is:

Do you Mark S., or anyone else, have printer drivers for the NEC Pinwriters
2200 and 3200, that are improved beyond the original issue that came with NB4?
For example the one for the 2200 flatly states something to the effect of "no
double height, nor normal height only...";  the one for the P3200 does normal
height, but doesn't adjust the vertical spacing to allow for that properly.
Also, the one for the P3200 doesn't quite list all the fonts -- at least not as
far as I can tell.  What I wouldn't give for that little old chart in NB 3.1
that listed them all with their correct names and all the modes each supports
in one handy overview!  How do you cope with this?

Tom Schlesinger                 INTERNET: TOMS@PSC.PLYMOUTH.EDU
Social Science Department       UUCP(USENET): tos@oz.plymouth.edu
Plymouth State College          Tel: (603) 535-2498
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Glenn,
Our plumbers at NBI *always* promise as much. The question is how many of their
promises can they really keep?
                                               Odeda.
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Subject:      Re: The Graet Dragonfly in the sky
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Dear Mourning Mervyn
It must be that The Great Dragonfly has gone to the ever green meadows of
dragonfly-paradise, where the sun always shines (and laptop screens glow
despite it) and there are bugs aplenty for dragonflies and their ilk to feast
on ever after....
                                             Odeda
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I meant to send some material to J-P Takkala... sorry for making it so
public! But if they're any use to anyone, it's the separators from
\nb3\custom.set.

Cheers all.
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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  I report some findings in case they may be helpful to others (the tests
were in fact carried out under NB3, and I have not yet tried them under
NB4).
  According to the NB3 manual (B10-20), footnote numbers in a line will
not upset right-justification, unless the width of a number is greater
than the width determined by the default FU setting, in which case, the
line will go beyond the specified right margin.
  My trials show that this is not true when the hyphen is used in a
set-footnote delta to force numbering (or cycling symbols etc.) to restart
on each page.  I have a line which behaves as follows.  With <<SF2,-*>>
set at the beginning of the file, the line contains a footnote which
happens to be the first on the page.  Duly * appears on screen.  But on
print-out the line extends substantially beyond the right margin, although
FU 4,4 is set (providing for a much longer footnote call than a mere *).
Resetting to FU 1,1 makes things considerably better (and setting FU 0,0
makes the line too short).  What happens is that with a positive FU
setting, NB systematically inserts too many microspaces (as can be
seen from the print-to-disk file).
  If you abstain from using the restart-on-each page setting, this problem
does not occur.  But this means that it becomes necessary to insert manually
or in some semi-mechanized fashion a new delta (say <<SF2,*>>) on each page
to restart the series.
Tim Moore
Department of Philosophy
The University of Hong Kong
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:45:52 DST
From:         "Nicolai Winther-Nielsen" <INNWN@VM2.UNI-C.DK>
Subject:      The second Orbis search
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A friend of mine has the problem that having searchen and found one search word
 he will not be able to continue to search for other words. His Orbis index con
tains 4 MBs - is that the problem? Is there a hardware conflict? Anybody had th
at peculiar type of problem?
Nicolai
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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Bug fixes & OS/2
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Hi y'all -

I spoke to Steve Siebert today (it only took 65



I spoke to Stever Siebert today (it only took 6 weeks to get a call back!).
He said they were going to get a letter and a some kind of bug fix disk out by
the end of the year, if at all possible (don't forget that disclaimer....).
Anyway, since they're working on bugs right now, if anyone hasn't reported
any significant ones, now's the time to get on the stick. Or off the stick.
Whatever it is that one does with sticks.

For all you entrepid OS/2 mavens, I just ordered the sucker and put mucho megs
of memory on my motherboard. I'd appreciate any useful hints on DOS settings
that work best for NB. Feel free to e-mail me privately if this is of little
interest to the mass of NB/DOS users.

THanks
Michael Jasper
Jasper@helix.mgh.harvard.edu

P.S. - Oh yeah, Steve also said he was looking into how fast they could turn
the width tables that Pacific Data Products provided for the Deskjet 500
25-in-one cartridge into the long promised (so what else is new?) driver
for the DJ. Says he'll get back to me by next Wednesday. If anyone else out
there is waiting for this, now is the time to start making noise.

Aloha
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Yes.
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From:         "Jean-Pierre" <RUIZJ@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Printing multiple copies
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              16 Dec 92 14:55:36 -0500 from <tom9e@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

The problem of trying to print multiple copies and only printing one
successfully has also afflicted me using NB4 on the department IBM and
TI Microlaser printer.  Whatever the cause of the problem, it does not
seem to be restricted to the Toshiba P321 printer.

Jean-Pierre Ruiz
Theology & Religious Studies
St. John's University
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: an xxdecode trick
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In reference to Allan Needell's problems with uu/xx-encoding:

I make the following observation with the possibility in mind that
Allan may have intended to write "preceding" rather than "following"
when he wrote, "my system (or something else) introduces an extra
space following each carriage return on my downloaded email files."
The latest version of Richard Marks' uu/xx-encoding programs (in
uuexe515.zip) has been corrected so that unnecessary trailing spaces
will not interfere with decoding.  Furthermore, the UUDECODE part of
the package will automatically detect whether the file has been
encoded with the UU or the XX method and respond accordingly; no
command line switch is necessary.

The UUENCODE program still requires the -x switch to perform
xx-encoding rather than the default uu-encoding.

The documentation for this package is not exactly pellucid, but since I
figured out the syntax it has performed for me without a problem.  It
is available on the simtel mirrors in the .../msdos/filutl directory.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Subject:      Re: Printing linked files: a continuing annoyance
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Allan,

I've used linking successfully since 1986. I may inadvertently discovered
a successful strategy. My modified CMS style sheet is at the top of every
file that is linked, and each file ends with an empty RH delta. I've
never had the problem you report. Perhaps you have an errant US delta
somewhere in a file? Also, you don't mention whether the centering begins
in the first linked file or in the second. Given the way the link/ms routines
work, this may be a direction for you to consider.

Godd luck

Rob Lavenda             lavenda@msus1
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Subject:      A bad day at the chalk-face
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I have had a rotten time with a host of things today, not great in
themselves, but which do not add to the gaiety of nations. I feel
pretty disappointed and indeed quite flamey. What I cannot understand
is why there have been so many small and unncessary changes in NB4. To
put it bluntly, I am beginning to wonder....

Has anyone any help or comment to offer on these? Is there a list of
gripes NBI is dealing with?

1.  I am really irritated by the loss of the procedure in v. 3 whereby
addresses (ending with .ad-) could be trransferred to a letter with
f1-l-s-t-(directory name, choose, then f10). Or am I missing something?

2.  Transferring a marked block to the action line with grey + does
not work. Categorical. See p. 4 of the Changes and New Features Guide.

3.  It is __still__ not possible to make a change along the lines of
the following:

                ci \A<something>A\A<somethingelse>A\
 (where A is a wild alphanumeric) without losing the A's.
Conflamugrate it, even __Wordstar__ was able to do this, unless I
misremember. I don't think that it's the answer to write an xpl
routine, though that's easy enough in itself.

4.  And a discovery: if you have a format delta at the start of an
address block (for example FL, because you have FR to stick the
sender's address and the date on the right), then the address block
can't be copied to an envelope. The delta can, however, be at the
start of the necessary blank line.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:39:18 EST
From:         "William H. TeBrake" <TEBRAKE@MAINE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Panasonic 1124 annoyance with NB4
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Thanks to all who offered suggestions about how to stop the page eject
before printing on a Panasonic 1124 printer -- the problem never
occurred in the first attempt to print in an NB4 session, only for the
second and all subsequent sessions.  Only an exit from the program and a
restart seemed to work.  Within minutes of asking for help on this
matter, I suddenly remembered that Desqview has some setting regarding
printing.  My reported problem seems to have disappeared after disabling
Desqview's manage printer contention setting.
Best regards,
=================================================================
William H. TeBrake              BITNET: tebrake@maine.bitnet
Department of History           INTERNET: tebrake@maine.maine.edu
University of Maine
Orono, Maine 04469-5774, USA
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From:         "Wayne A. Meeks" <WMEEKS@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Printing multiple copies
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              16 Dec 92 14:55:36 -0500 from <tom9e@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Yes, I have had the same trouble, printing with an Epson LQ500.  In fact, I've
found printing from the F1-Alt-P menu unreliable for everything except Current
Page and Envelope, so I regularly use a command from the Action Line.
Wayne Meeks, Yale University  wmeeks@Yalevm.bitnet
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From:         "Cora A. Diamond" <cad2m@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Running XPL programs
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You can have your XPL programs in any subdirectory you want and set a
default path for them.  I have all mine (both for NB4 and for NB3) in a
subdirectory of NB3, and run them from NB4 just by using the
filename.  As an example: when in the NB4 subdirectory I want
to run a progranm called AMPERSAN.RUN, using the full path it would
be (slashes reversed here): 'run c:/nb/prgrm/ampersan.run'.  But all
I have to enter is 'run ampersan.run'.  I don't remember how I set
it up (must have been via one of those long threads through the menu),
but the result is a line in NBCUSTOM.SET, which reads
NBIP=C:/NB/PRGRM/

Tony Woozley
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Further to Itamar's note I strongly discommend XyWrite's HARCODE.PGM.
It is one of the few XyWrite programs that will not run correctly in
NB, and it may even send your computer out to lunch.

Tony Woozley
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 92 08:26:17 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: separators, NB, Orbis
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Mervyn (and anyone else interested),

   There is probably a (fruitful) misunderstanding here.  I was not
talking about hyphens or other potential separators in the context
of spell-checking.  It was about how Orbis (cuurently) defines what
a word is.  And there were some unexpected phenomena here, some of
which I think are improvements, some probably just temporary problems.
No, Mervyn, your separator table contained hyphen, ascii 45.  But having
that in NBCUSTOM.SET does not change the way Orbis handles hyphens.

I don't think I was telling you that you can spell-check Finnish,
but since you brought it up, and it might be of interest to others:
yes, you can spell-check Finnish.  Its been possible for a number
of years now, and required some hard theoretical linguistic work
which could be embodied in computer algorithms.  I've been told that
the group who made this (mainly Finns) have been able to apply the
general ideas also to other inflective languages.  I've used a
Finnish language (standalone) spell-checker (which also checks some
aspects of grammar, rather like Grammatik IV..V) since 1990.
Unfortunately, it cannot cope with NBs conditional hyphens or deltas.
(It knows WP, Word and Ascii).  Also - dare I say it - WP has for some
time now come with a Finnish spell-checker which works pretty well.

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:21:33 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar" <itiez@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Doubles
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I apologize for possible 'doubles'; I have moved to a Unix computer,
and may have pressed the 'send' key twice. So please bear with me and
don't inundate the net by doubles-confirmations. And thank you all
for your extraordinary alertness and attention!

Itamar

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              University of Helsinki," at Dec 18, 92 4:14 pm

J-P Takala, University of Helsinki, wrote........
>
>
>
>
> Orbis seems to treat the (hard) hyphen differently from the old TB,
> now it is not a separator.  Hence
>        even zohar
>   will not find Even-Zohar, nor will
>        jukka pekka   or
>        jukka
>   match with Jukka-Pekka.
>
> This is a welcome improvement, once you know it is there.
>
> There is a file which probably will, eventually, allow one to determine
> exactly which characters one wants to treat as separators, but that
> does not seem to function yet.
>
>

Copy the separator lines from \nb3\default.set into \nb4\nbcustom.set.
This seems to work perfectly. Add the hyphen to the word separator
list if it's missing.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:42:49 EST
From:         Aaron Schart <SCHARTA@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Spell Checker and Hebrew
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I have just printed out my first paper with Lingua and am the first time
really pleased with the new version. The printout on an IBM Laser produced
lovely Hebrew Characters - far better than with the old SLS!

   But: I had problems with the English Spell Checker. Every time it had to
check a Hebrew word containing a Hebrew "Lamed" or "Chet" or "Gimmel" it
hooked up - displaying a message 'working ...' but never presenting results!

   Does someone have a solution?

                Aaron Schart
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              University of Helsinki," at Dec 18, 92 6:43 pm

Don't go away - I'll send the lines to you quickquickquick.

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