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From: pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: DREPUNG GOMANG MONKS TO TOUR NORTH AMERICA
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:09:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43540
Distribution: world
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

DREPUNG GOMANG MONKS TO TOUR NORTH AMERICA
-------------------------------------------
In July and August 1993 eleven monks from the Gomang College of Drepung
Monastery will be touring the U.S. and performing sacred dances and other
rites.  Sponsors and organizers are needed for the tour.  Contact Roy
McDonnell, 508 Denner Street, Kalamazoo, MI, 49006; tel. 616-349-1754

[This message was posted as a public service.  I am not affiliated with the
above person(s) or organization.]

--
pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: images of Heroes
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 21:05:21 GMT

MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (Michael Williams) writes:
: Oh damn. Now look what I've gone and done -- I've posted to soc.bi. What a
: giveaway.

A de-muffining *and* a Python reference?  Welcome aboard, and have a
**hug**!

('Course, I could be wrong - I accused someone of being a muffin
recently, quite incorrectly, and the Pythonism could be unintentional.
Still, I doubt both.)

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: communication (was Re: The S & M debate)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:19:12 PDT(-700)
Organization: The White Bull
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Sep27.201113.11608@midway.uchicago.edu> (soc.bi), h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
> 
> In article <01010066.elgli2@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
> >
> >I like for my lover to be interested in all of me, not just my body. 
> >And I'd like the chance to get to know the mind and personality that go
> >with their body.  This is something that I like about the news net.  I
> >am meeting people whom I have to judge by what they write, not by how
> >they look, and who have to do the same with me.  
> 
> And I like my lover to be interested in my body and my sexuality, not just
> my mind or intellect.  I've fallen for people that seemed very squeamish

I would consider your sexuality to be part of your personality.  Out of
curiosity, do others feel this way?  Where does sexuality come into a
persons make up?  (Hoping for opinions and not flames.)

> about me as sexual being.  And although they claimed to love me, I felt
> they were turned off by either my body, or my approach to sex.  This
> made me feel real, real, bad.
> 
I can relate to this.  I once had a friend who told me that, in spite
of my being able to arouse her to a greater degree than her other
lovers, she did not ever want to have sex with me again.  No further
explination, just that.  I choose to retreat in confusion.

For myself, I've seldom met anyone whose approach to sex turned me off.
Basically I've objected when some wanted to brand me with "This female
belongs to ..."  At the same time I must say that I can't think of a
way to really know how someone approaches sex without having sex with
them.  After all talk is one thing, and sometimes actions differ.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: chocolate = sex
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:17:22 GMT
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6


John Clark writes:
> 
> Candyman's got a stick 9 inches long,...

But a foot-long bittersweet chocolate bar beats that anyday. ;)


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:48:07 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <2ad078bb@ThreeL.co.uk>, adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) writes:
> 
> *pop!*  ...another muffin appears.
> 

Hi! Welcome to soc.bi!

 <sfx: bounces around excitedly at all these muffins>

 **hugs'n'snuggles'n squeezy-type thingies**
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:39:38 GMT

In article <2N7sRB3w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>
     panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (/) writes:

>yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:

>I think Elf's point was that it doesn't need "justification" - or am I 
>wrong, Elf?

   Actually, Elizabeth, my point was not that it needs justification or
not (although I agree it does not); my point was that we queerfolk, be
us gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or sadomasochists, are under constant
call from the "normal" people to do so.  "Why are you gay?"  "Why is
there lesbianism?"  "Why do you want whips and chains?"  "Why can't you
choose one or the other?"  And yet, I almost never see straight people
asking "Why am I straight?"

   I just took a college-level psych course in Human Sexuality.
Although the last three chapters went into incredible detail on the
"whys" of Homosexuality, Paraphilia, and Deviancy, the first 17
chapters never examined the "whys" of heterosexuality.  Sure, issues of
frigidity (why is there _not_ sex between two heterosexuals?), hetero-
socialization (how does one become part of straight society), and the
like were discussed.  But never once was a classmate of mine challenged
with the question "Why are you straight?"  I don't think straights
wrestle with this question often enough; I don't believe that the
majority of them have ever really wondered, "Why am I straight?"

>Namaste,
>Elizabeth

         Elf !!!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 19:25:59 GMT

jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) writes:
: [quoting Yvette Lian's girlfriend]
: "Too much self-analysis turns things into things they're not"
: 
: Mental-masturbation is a term I like to use for this. ;)

Indeed, but since the modern view is that masturbation is a
positive and beneficial thing to do, I carry that over, and
defend the kind of self-analysis that I'm addicted to.  I think
several here would claim similar need to do at least *some*
mental masturbation now and then, and hey, I bet even Socrates
did a little ... :-)  In the spirit of "Physician, heal thyself",
I profer the advice "Intellectual, mindfuck thyself" ...

: Musical Reference of the Day: "Think too much" - Paul Simon

Ah, but is that Think Too Much (b) or Think Too Much (a)?

Mike, the musically nitpicky.
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:34:41 GMT
Organization: 6am Digital Playground
Telephone-Messages: +44 223 33 4900
Address: Christ's College, Cambridge CB2 3BU, ENGLAND.
X-Furry-Character: Gerald_Duck

In article <1992Sep24.004156.22488@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <9b6nzhk.lile@netcom.com> lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam) writes:
>>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>
>>>Can anybody point me in the right direction to books/articles/etc about
>>>the expression of anger, especially about how to express anger in
>>>non-destructive (to ourselves or others) ways.

Hmm. I could do with some suggestions on this myself. Actually,
arguments are more my scene - I grew up with BIG arguments every few
weeks, and it's a little hard to adapt to not really laying into
someone every so often now. Playing a lot of music helps, but it seems
a bit artificial - more of a postponement of a need than a replacement.

>>There is a great book called "The Dance of Anger". Have forgotton the 
>>author but it's a good book.
>
>I think her name's Lerner.  It is a good book.  [...]

Yup. Cataloguing information from Cambridge University Library:

 Author:         Lerner, Harriet Goldhor
 Title:          The dance of anger: a woman's guide to changing the
                 patterns of intimate relationships; Harriet Goldhor Lerner
                 Wellingborough: Grapevine, 1990, c1985
                 xii,239p; 22cm, pbk
 Notes:          Originally published: New York : Harper & Row, 1985
                 Includes index
 Subjects:       Interpersonal relations
                 Women--Psychology

None of this is very soc.bi, is it, by the way? (Not that I'm
complaining...)

--Clive.
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <38932@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.035100.29597@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>+In article <1992Sep30.235725.16758@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> 
>+ cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>+>I have always thought it might be amusing, once or twice, from an
>+>anthropological sense, but a date just doesn't seem like the best way
>+>to lead up to any sort of interaction, from a one-time fling to a
>+>long-term committment.
>+
>+I have also generally avoided traditional "dates" (with some strange
>+and forgettable exceptions like high school proms) ... I feel like I get
>
>Personally I like Carbon Dating. It really does give reasonably
>acruate results. Traditional dates have been proven to be in error.
>
>Funny I don't think I've heard of the 'High School Prom' dating
>method. Does it use some new scientific technique?

You find out what the theme song was at someone's H.S. prom, compare
it with Billboard's greatests hits list, and you've dated them...

;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: michael@tfs.com (Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars to send everywhere.)
Subject: Re: It's not fair
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:13:21 GMT

In article <vashti.718352260@concave> vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin) writes:
>I have never explicitly
>expressed my sexuality on this group so here goes: I am bisexual (it
>feels good to say that).

Yay!!! *Hugs!* 

>I'm writing
>the $#*&^ GRE on Saturday and what is even worse, the assembly point
>for the [Lesbian and Gay] march is on campus where I am writing the 
>stupid thing. It's
>not fair. <whinge> <complain> There is a carnival afterwards but its
>not the same <sulk>.
Good luck, Vashti, on the GRE. I'm sorry you won't be able to be at the march.

>
>So much for that and apologies for the tantrum. Hugs to all
And hugs to you.......!

/slant/
-- 
========================================================
Michael Shiloh			michael@tfs.com
TRW Financial Systems		(510) 704-3520
Berkeley, Ca
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:25:50 GMT

eec@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edie Cheng) writes:
: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
: >dsuchy19@ursa.calvin.edu (Dawn Suchy) writes:
: >>Hello.....
: 
: hi dawn. :) hi joe. :)

Oh me oh my!  Muffin heaven!  Bring that butter over here ..
Hi to Dawn and Edie, and while I'm about it, Joe too.  (Hey, Joe,
is that sig of yours going to change to "n-somes are fun"? :-)

Welcome to soc.bi, where all is sweetness and light until some rotter
lets the real world in.  Thankfully, our patented brand of s&l
seems immune to collapse, so we can even get real here too .. *grin*

e-hugs all
Mike, who's awful glad that the real world and fluffiness are
compatible
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Encounters
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:51:01 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey


eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) wrote...
>
>[Huge amounts of drivel that I can't even begin to bring myself to read or
>even skim deleted.  Authored by *r*c D*n*m*c, of course.]
>
>Can someone _please_ explain to me how to set up my kill file so that
>I never have to see postings from this guy again?  The bad writing is
>_killing_ me!
>

That wasn't line noise that was appearing in several people's sigs,
it was a kill command.

If you're using 'rn' or one of its derivatives, you can type:
	/ecsd/h:j

at the "What next?" prompt.
The / means search forward for the string that's in between the
/  /'s, the h is a "modifier" that means search in the article 
header, the j is a "command" that means junk any articles that
match this criteria.  In the above case, you are searching for
"ecsd" in the article headers and then junking those articles.
(You can use whatever string you like, just make sure it's 
something unique.)  

If you want the command to go into a Kill file then type:
	/ecsd/hK:j

If you ever want to edit your Kill file directly then you can
type a ^K (Control-K) at the "What next?" prompt.

In my experience, kill files are slow, so I normally just
use kill commands.  (I learn more about the searching capabilities
that way.)

This is a very brief sketch, email me for more details.

Ellen
pclary@nike.calpoly.edu
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (/)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:20:00 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian) writes:

> Sometimes I think about sexuality, and why so many people have problems
> with it.  To be honest, I simply don't know - my own preferences have been
> so easy to live with.  Maybe part of that is because I accept myself so
> readily.  

I'm glad to hear you say this, because it's roughly the way I feel.  I 
see no point in being analytical: what I feel is what I feel, period.  
And I've never had any problem with that.

With so many people worrying over what they are, I sometimes wonder why 
they feel the need for self-definition.  A sense of identity is 
important, but you can define it as you go - in words you like.  It 
isn'tt he same as making a pattern of your life, or fitting any given 
mold.

> 
> But I've gotten away from the point I wanted to make - why should straights
> question their sexuality?  If they're happy with it, why?  You wouldn't ask
> such a question of a lesbian/gay/bi person.  And really, Elf... if you DID
> ask GLB* folk that question - what more would you hope to hear than
> "because I am" ?  Does it really need a justification?

I think Elf's point was that it doesn't need "justification" - or am I 
wrong, Elf?


Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: was Re: images of Heroes
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:02:57 GMT
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters

In article <1992Sep27.210521.3287@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (Michael Williams) writes:
>: Oh damn. Now look what I've gone and done -- I've posted to soc.bi. What a
>: giveaway.
>
>A de-muffining *and* a Python reference?  Welcome aboard, and have a
>**hug**!
>
>('Course, I could be wrong - I accused someone of being a muffin
>recently, quite incorrectly, and the Pythonism could be unintentional.
>
No, that really is a demuffining -- another point to Cambridge,
methinks (-8 -- and I'm quite sure the Pythonism is deliberate....


--
\S
SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk           | There's nowt |"Stormy weather turns to blue;
sarrowsm@nyx.cs.du.edu        | so queer as  |"Here's a song to take with you:
                              | folk....     |  --Mike Oldfield, "Taurus II"
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: expressing anger
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:11:57 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) wrote...
>Can anybody point me in the right direction to books/articles/etc about
>the expression of anger, especially about how to express anger in
>non-destructive (to ourselves or others) ways.
>It's a subject that I would like to read up on sometime.

<dig, dig, rummage, rummage...etc>
Ok, here's what I could come up with.  I didn't find anything that
directly addresses non-destructive expression of anger the way that
the previously recommended _Dance of Anger_ does, but you could
consider these supplementary reading.  (I learned how to deal with 
anger (sort of) in therapy so I'm lacking in written references).

Emotions: What they are and how they affect us
June Callwood
  This is an examination of no only what emotions are, but 
  also how they interact, and change from one to another.
  The stuff she writes on anger is fascinating.
  Good bibliography too.

Das Energi
Paul Williams
  This book was originally recommended by my therapist.  It
  is very Eastern in its outlook, and very perceptive.  It is
  more poetry than prose. Some will love it; some will hate it.
  Examples are:
    If you could look infinitely far in time, if you could
    look infinitely far out into space, there is no question
    what you would see:
	 You would see the back of your head.
    --
    Don't ever think you know what's best for the other guy. [sic]
    He might start thinking he knows what's best for you.

Working Inside Out
Margo Adair
  Actually this is a book on meditation.

[Pick one at random - though my favorite is: Who Dies]
Stephen Levine
  Writes great stuff on emotions, meditation, and death/dying issues.

Tao Te Ching
Lao Tzu
  Just had to throw this one in the list.

Pictures of a Childhood
Alice Miller
  I mention this one, because it illustrates how she dealt with
  anger and all sorts of issues through painting.  (It is actually
  a book of her paintings.)  I found it very powerful and it
  gave me some ideas on how to deal with my own anger.
  (Yes this is the same author that writes those terrifying
   books on child abuse.)

-------
I have also heard that Courage to Heal and its accompanying workbook
are excellent, though I haven't read them because they are specifically
intended for child abuse survivors.

Happy reading,
Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:09:47 GMT

Hoo boy!  This one could run and run!

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
: Gideon Nisbet (guest on Tanaqui's account):

Major friendly gesturing thingys to be conveyed Gideon's way, via
Tanaqui if need be - have an e-hug, each of you :-)

I'm glad you've joined us, Gideon - and not just because my
minimally-informed rants seem by chance to have hit a mark ..*smirk*

Still, rather than put up more comment just yet, I'm in a justifying
sort of mood (OK, call me paranoid, but I think you can guess why).
Why do I think this is good soc.bi material?  Well, that
relates to my reasons for taking a swipe at Socrates in the first
place.  I've been discussing those off-net, as well as trying to 
post here, and I find I'm getting close to what I wanted to say,
but haven't gotten there yet.  Y'see, I see that disrespect as
being strongly connected to my bisexuality.

I've recently described myself here as not particularly libidinous.
Indeed, I feel little identification (although much sympathy)
with GLBO* people who felt their desires were trapped and
denied by society.  I haven't always lusted after motss's (correct
pluralization?), but then I haven't really lusted after motos's
so much as followed my culturally set path to "enjoy" them.
Sure enough, I do find it enjoyable to interact (sexually and
otherwise) with motos's.  Now, I'm fooling with motss's too,
and it's great.  My point is that I never would have if I hadn't
developed this disrespectful attitude.

Maybe this is a somewhat British, middle-class thing - to be trained
to have more respect for authority and tradition than individuality.
I still think there are strong limits to individualism, but I also
reject a great deal of that old training.  Perhaps this makes
me "politically bi", instead of "real".  Somehow I doubt it.
In the absence of a firm lust for either sex in preference to
the other (apart from what I can explain by training and history)
I reckon I'll change, finding that being bi is the way to be.

And I never would have tried, if it wasn't for the same "stuff
your old values, let me see what *I* think" attitude.  Socrates
seemed daft to choose death over censorship.  He seems near to
insane for choosing death over some stain on his idealistic
view of participatory democracy.  And my culture is crazy too
if it tells me I can only have fun when I fuck, not when I
get fucked.

Mike, realising he had better reinforce this over-used soapbox
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
Newsgroups: soc.bi