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From: lbaum@bcsaic.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:38:11 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <37rR03FTa9Vj00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
: 
: I disagree. #1 ranking now means that you have to lose or play poorly to get 
: bounced from that perch. As long you keep winning and nobody drums up any 
: anit-you sentiment (like people have done with Miami) you stay #1. 

Did UW lose or play poorly against Cal (give me those 19 point
squeakers every time)?  No.

Because of what happened last year and its continuation this
year, the pollsters have an extremely tough job.  Rational
arguments support placing either team #1, and proponents of
Alabama can make a case too.  Miami HAS played a tougher
schedule, but they have had a harder time winning even against
weaker opponents such as AZ.  UW has not been nearly as
impressive as last year, but has not really been in danger of
losing.  It's a tough call.  If they both go undefeated again,
they will likely split the polls again.

But clearly, you can lose your #1 position even if you win
handily.  It just happened.  And it could happen again.  If UW
thrashes Stanford in 2 weeks, don't be surprised to find UW
back on top.   (That's a big if though)
: 
: Yes, but I believe Washington gets all of its toughies at home this year. Miami
: is invincible in the Orange Bowl so their wins there have been discounted by 
: some net.idiots. Would those same people discount Washington's big wins over 
: Cal and Nebraska at home. Oh yeah.. what of Stanford, who will have to come to
: Seattle in a couple of weeks?  If Washington wins that one at home will it 
: have as much significance?  Just trying to make you guys see how ridiculous 
: you all sounded last year when discussing this very same issue the other way 
: around. 

I agree with you, but I hope we won't hear any more nonsemse
about the Rose Bowl being a home game.  Perhaps you will be
willing to give UW credit for beating all those same teams on
the road last year.
: 
: >
: >	What does it all mean?  With the exception of Oregon and Oregon 
: >st.  It is OK for Washington to win in close games because the opponents 
: >are tougher. BUT it is not OK for Miami to win close games from now on.
: >(With the exception of Syracuse game).  

It has been a long time since the UW had a game that was
closer than 7 points, not since the 1990 season.  So that
argument is not very strong is it?

-- 
Larry Baum
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Bobby.Bowden.sucks.sucks.sucks
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:42:28 GMT

In article <BvrBtG.98@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.160218.25529@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes...
>#First of all, let me say that Bowden's image as the so-called "river boat
>#gambler" is really only based on one play: the 'rooskie.
>
>My impression of Bowden as a gambler was formed long before that play.  I
>recall a kickoff return for a touchdown in the 1986(?) Miami-FSU game in
>the OB that was set up by a backwards pass across the field. 

Or did anyone else see the game against Auburn (I dont remember which year-
it was the year it was close for a while and Auburn blew 'em out in the 4th)
when FSU lined up for a 4th and inches, faked to the fullback, then threw
a TD pass to the wide-open receiver, who was, as you might guess, the only
person from either side who ran down field.

r
From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:20:47 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

>Rule 7C " IF ANY ILLEGAL PASS IS THROWN FROM THE END ZONE,  THE OFFENDED
>TEAM MAY ACCEPT A SAFETY OR DECLINE THE PENALTY AND ACCEPT THE RESULT OF
>THE PLAY."
>
>
>" THE PLAY " could be interpreted several ways,  but it's not black and 
>white.   Someone pulling for FSU could see it as a illegal pass, Miami
>fans could see it as a TD.  There is the letter of the rule and the
>intent of the rule.  Miami is not as much as upset about that one play,
>as the whole day.  FSU has three guys hit the Canes kicker no penalty,
>Miami has a guy that could have MAYBE glazed the kicker toe and its
>roughing the kicker.  The same goes for sideline tackles.  Late hits
>on the QB.  Control and possession of a pass.  Miami has lost one NC
>in 1988 due to poor calls.

The PLAY _was_ interpreted by the referee as an attempted (albeit
illegal) forward pass.  I've never seen a team recover an incomplete
pass. 

IF, and that's a huge if, Miami was the victim of intentional bad calls
(and if they aren't intentional it's just one more of many luck factors
in a game, like a gust of wind blowing a long kick wide) they probably
deserve those bad calls as retribution for their antics on the field and
their fans like yourself.

Peter B
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: .signature
Keywords: Athens
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:54:25 GMT


good subject line!
:)

Njan
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:23:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.190115.4656@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.180308.22496@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>>Actually, OU's freshman class this year ranked 7th in the U.S. for incoming
>>national merit scholars and 1st among all U.S. public universities.  The new
>>pres., Van Horn, seems tobe making good things happen at Oklahoma.
>
>Oh, yeah? Well how much did OU pay THEM to go to OU? ;-) Looks like a scandal
>to me... I bet the admissions office gets investigated soon! ;-)
>
>Actually, that is pretty impressive. Texas typically places first among
>public universities and second overall in National Merit Scholars enrolled, 
>and therefore must be first or close to it in how many they admit every
>year. This is all very irrelevant, however, as non of the Texas football
>players _I_ have met were National Merit Scholars... ;-)

Actually, that is pretty unimpressive.  Texas typically places second
among public universities behind Ohio State in the number of all
students enrolled, whether they're National Merit Scholars (anyone who
gets a decent SAT score) or just hoping to spend 4 years in a fraternity
before getting a job in Daddy's oil company.

:-)'s all around, for the SWC-humor-challenged.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Need words to Stanford fight song
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:39:34 GMT

yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:

>In <1992Oct13.202919.18226@a.cs.okstate.edu> hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP) writes:

>>Could someone quickly mail me the words to the Stanford fight song.
>>Thanks in advance.

>>Brad
>Stanford has an official fight song, "Come, Join the Band," but only old
>fart who don't like the band know it.

Actually, this isn't quite true -- the Band has been using CJTB quite
a bit of late.  After three or four scores, All Right Now gets a
little boring, so we play Come Join the Band for variety.  In fact,
we're working on a few other alumni-pleasing old tunes which we may or
may not start playing for games.  We'll see. :-)

>For all intents and purposes, the fight song is the pop song "All Right
>Now," by Free.

In general.  But there are schools that have more than one fight song,
so I guess Stanford can have a couple.  But "All Right Now" is the one
we play most of the time.

>P.S. I'llf let Adam tell you what the title is for Come, Join the Band in the
>LSJUMB's sheet music.
>-- 

Actually, it's only for a couple of the sections, but you really don't
want to know. :-)  (Yvonne -- did you know that there are actually
WORDS to that title?  Scary...)

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BTW -- I'll see if I can find the words in my old freshman handbook --
it has both All Right Now and Come Join the Band.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:23:23 -0400 
From: Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Distribution: usa

The University of Virginia Pep Band is the most entertaining (if not the
most talented) "marching" band.

Anyone know how many "marching" bands have been asked not to return to
opposing team stadiums?

=============================================================================
Thomas H. Swann
University of Virginia (commie 1988)
now appearing at GSIA (Carnegie Mellon University - 1994)
=============================================================================
From: bx970@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Donna A. Lilly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: new Bowl system
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:59:42 GMT
Reply-To: bx970@po.CWRU.Edu (Donna A.  Lilly)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu

Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) 
Previously the top team in the SEC went to the Sugar, similarly for the
top team in the SWC to the Cotton, the top team in the Big 10 and PAC 10
to Rose, etc.  Now I've heard about a new system.  My question is "how
are these predetermined bowl placements affected by the new system?" Or
more generally, "how does the new system work?" "If the season ended
today, who would Washington play, and how about Miami, Michigan, and
Texas A&M?"
-- 
        Donna A. Lilly
        Cleveland, Ohio
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Ohio State (WAS: Re: Ohio State Sucks!!!)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:51:44 GMT
Keywords: Choke!

In article <1992Oct11.234158.648@cis.ohio-state.edu>, atchison@dorothy.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
|> 
|> >Now, here's a trivia question for you all:  what Big 10 team is the only
|> >one to date with no conference wins?  :^)
|> 
|> Sure as hell not the worst one.  Excuses?  Yeah, I got plenty.  But 6-2 (10-2)
|> is still in reach, and I'll just save 'em til then.

Yep, and 6-5 is "still in reach" for Navy too.

|>  Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.081450.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.174714.4108@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct10.051620.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>>
>>> (... Bo over the top...)
>>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>     For what it is worth, Bo dropped by my parents' house shortly after 
>> this game and I asked him if he made it over the line.  He smiled and said
>> "Nope, but the official thought I did and that's all that matters".  
>> Watching the replay over and over, I never thought he had made it.  But, 
>> it counts and auburn won.
>
>Ahh Guy, Bo was probably just trying to rag you and rub salt in the wound! 
    Oh, he was rubbing in the salt when he got there.  He had on an
Auburn shirt.  I have a picture of him standing next to my little
brother who was wearing an Alabama shirt that day.  My brother is
only about 5' 7" and weighed maybe 145 or 150 in that picture.  You
can imagine how small he looks next to Mr. Jackson.  He played
cornerback on the same high school team as Bo (who played everything
almost) and I used to cringe when Bo ran the toss sweep in his
direction during practice.

>Some old time Auburn fans swear that Kenny Stabler scored a td against AU
>that should have been called back for a holding penalty in a late 60's 7-3 
>bama win.  Kenny kind of laughs it off in his autobiography, but he doesn't
>ever come out and say if its true or not.  

    I remember this controversy but I haven't seen a replay.  The
Snake was my idol growing up because I was a left-handed quarterback
too.  He played for the right school too!

>So maybe if Bo didn't score, itmakes up for the Stabler TD!

    That could be the explanation.  Keeping things in balance in the
universe and all that.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Keywords: Huskies, Number One
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:01:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <Bvz4F2.n5B@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:
>
>So's Washington, Michigan, West Virginia....

True, but Michigan has that nasty tie...

>
>>Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
>
>That number would be "two", I believe.

Actually, they beat Iowa, who was ranked in the top 25 at the time...

>>Who has played tougher opposition???
>
>Hmmmm....don't have my schedules with me, but I'm sure someone has...

Ok.. actually an argument could be made for some teams maybe.   Notre Dame
has at least played Michigan and Stanford (who else???), and some others
have played some great teams, but 3 top 25 teams (in 5 games), two of which
are top 5/10 teams???
>
>Stanford beat Notre Dame 33-16.

Notre Dame is nowhere near the toughest team in the nation...

>Hmmm....NOT!

Name any other team in the nation who has beaten 3 ranked teams, two of which
were in the top 10???

>When they prove themselves, yes, I will.

Please describe the groundrules then..   They beat #24?? Iowa, #3 FSU, and
#5/7 PSU.   They also beat an Arizona team that has shown that they may
be tougher than believed (after beating UCLA).   What else do they have
to do??

>No, Washington is, and anyone who saw the Miami/PSU game knows that PSU 
>defeated themselves.  The refs didn't help either, but we STILL should have
>won.

Well, not anymore.  Anyone who saw them struggle that much against an
overrated Cal team (that lost BIG TIME to Purdue) AT HOME, probably
wouldn't say that...

>
>Now that's TWO years in a row that the refs should have called a safety on
>Miami, and didn't!!!

What the hell are you talking about???  What safety???
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Keywords: FSU?????
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:07:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.035401.6336@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>>No chance.. I think Miami is going to stay unbeaten now which means they
>>will be playing the highest ranked available team in some bowl game
>>which probably will be A&M or FSU given their current ranking... There is
>                               ^^^
>Um, is this even possible? I thought that there was some rule that said that
>two teams could not play each other twice in one season. Am I wrong? I must
>say that I wouldn't mind the matchup though. Bowden would finally lose a
>bowl game!
>
>Kevin.


It sure is.  Not too many years ago, Michigan State played USC as
their Pac-10 regular season opponent, and they met again in the Rose
Bowl.

Brian
  - (I won't even say it this time.)
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 20:09:59 -0400 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best marching band
 <aelman.717975852@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <1ao4ufINN8j8@girtab.usc.edu>  
 <1992Oct5.074051.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> 	<92280.000747KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <AeoSSny00iV304llsz@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<BvrBnI.KIn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: usa

beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>You're all wrong!
>>The best marching band was my high school marching band!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>PLEASE!!!  You must be joking...

Naw, Jeff, I'm dead serious!  My 63 member high school band went up
against Notre Dame's 150+ member band and blew them away!

On a more serious note, how 'bout that PSU - Miami game this Saturday?
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Tickets wanted
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:47:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.204708.25952
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

HELP!!!!  I NEED SOME TICKETS FOR THE FLAME WAR THAT IS DEVELOPING BETWEEN
OVERZEALOUS FANS OF THE U-DUB AND MIAMI.  COULD SOMEONE PLEASE SUPPLY ME
WITH SOME TICKETS AT ABOUT THE 50 YARD LINE?  I'LL PAY TOP DOLLAR!!!

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: I-AA Preview will now be posted in segments.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:19:43 GMT

From now until the end of the I-AA season (six weeks) the I-AA top 20 will be 
posted in segments.

Segment 1 will be scores from last week and the weekend schedule.

Segment 2 will be the I-AA top 20.

Segment 3 will be Games of Interest.

Segment 4 will Conference standings.

Posting all of this at once just takes up too much time.  I will post these 
segments over the next couple of days.

PDunn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WEEKLY S.E.C. RANKINGS
From: scott@mccall.com (Nobody)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:24:03 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Nobody)
Distribution: na
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Oct13.152957.1@cajun>, aakhos@cajun writes:
>But nobody can deny that SEC is the toughest conference from top to bottom.
>
I can.  But let's not get into the "toughest conference" debate, 
even though it comes up every year.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's.....
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:03:07 GMT

In article 70244@hydra.gatech.EDU, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>How about Shawn Jones for an impact freshman?  Sure his junior year was a 
>dissapointment, but his freshman year was brilliant, for a frosh of course.

Yeah, he did a good job of manhandling us (Clemson) in 1989, my freshman year.  Tech ended up winning 30-14.  And it was Homecoming, on top of it!
 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu

Doug Brod
dbrod@eng.clemson.edu



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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Prevent Defense
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:21:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.171512.7619@doug.cae.wisc.edu> tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau) writes:
>I have always had a questions that hangs at the back of my mind,
>especially when watching one football team trying to hold a lead
>against another... Is the prevent defense effective?
>
>It always seems to me that it allows the opposing offense to just
>sneak in the shorter passes (as we all know).  Unless its a
>MUST score situation for the other team, I wouldn't use it.  Often
>times, you find teams falling back into prevent in 1st and 10
>from the 50 with 2 minutes left... is this smart?  The other
>team has the time to get in in a quick drive, but they don't
>need to score right away... it just seems like a way for a team
>to give away the lead... (Perfect examples were Chicago over Detroit
>this year or even OSU and Wisconsin [although Wisconsin held, they
>didn't need the prevent in the 2nd OSU touchdown drive]).
>
>Maybe I would drop safeties back, or just have the DB's watch particularly
>for long breaks, but I wouldn't fall into a true prevent.
>
>--
>Johne...   Kariel the Margrave
>"The question the truly scientific ask is 'Did God make man,
> or did man make God?'"
>
>UNIX Address            : tsau@cae.wisc.edu
>Real World Address      : 5348 Brummel St, Skokie, IL 60077
>Real World Phone        : (708) 674-2947
>
>

Michigan has used the prevent for years and look where it's 
gotten us--in the top ten usually, but no MNC. This year 
UM is using more of an attack "D" with man-to-man coverage 
in the secondary and we're doing well so far.  We did drop 
into the prevent against Iowa after starting the 2nd half 
up 42-6 or something.  We let Iowa score three more TDs.  
(in the 2nd half.)  The prevent, or in UM's case "bend 
but don't break" isn't very effective.  My opinion?  
Attack, attack, attack.  
---
Steve