From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Subject: Re: Linovambakoi (Re: Turkish Cypriots reject ENOSIS)
Keywords: Ali Pasas, The King, Makarios, Chrysostomos, Vasiliu, Enosis, Palikaria, Akritas
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:33:13 GMT

In article <C17tv0.HnG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>
>>In article <C12Kqz.4C9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis  Syrimis) writes:
>>>Regarding the thesis that some Turkish Cypriots are of Greek origin, 
>>>linobambakoi, an undisputable fact supporting it is that many Tyrkish 
>>>villages had names of Saints.  The one that comes to my mind now is
>>>Ayios Nikolas (Saint Nicholas) in the Paphos District, close to Platres
>>>and Arsos. 
>>>
>>>Anybody else knows any other ones? I can look in a map that I have
>>>and give you some more.
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Michalis Syrimis
>>>University of Illinois
>>>Urbana-Champaign
>>>
>
>>GET OFF of it Symiris !!!
>Besime control yourself, you are becoming a public scene.
>Watch your typing too.  

I don't really care much as to how I am perceived on a simple computer
network !

>
>>Turkish Cypriots ARE TURKISH Cypriots.
>
>Exactly.  In your previous article you presented your arguments, which
>were perfectly logical, and with which I agree completely.  It's how one 
>feels that determines his ethnicity / nationality and not his genetic code.
>Read also the posting by Lambros Skartsis about the more general subject, his
>views are not very different than ours.
>
>However, the fact remains that some of the Turkish Cypriots indeed were 

Do you have factual information or documents proving your claim ?
[By the way, you called it a thesis in the quoted part above, why and how
did it suddenly turn into a fact ?] 

>Greek Cypriots who converted to islam during the years of the Ottoman rule.  
>Historical Truth is Historical Truth.

Again, any documents, any facts ?

and let's say some Greeks were in fact converted to Islam, why should they
also start speaking Turkish ?????? or have traditions really similar to people 
in certain parts of Anatolia ????? [which how most Turkish Cypriots are]
Can you explain that ?

[ so you might say they were forced to speak Turkish, then why are there plenty
of Greeks in Cyprus right now who speak Greek and are Christians. Only a 
privileged few were forced to change their religion and language ? ]

>That's the whole point I was trying to make, but your went several steps 
>ahead and saw different intentions and implications.

I just didn't like the way you guys jumped on the idea or accepted right 
away Theodore's claim that "some" Turkish Cypriots were/are in fact Greeks.
You didn't even question it, because it sounded good, didn't it ? 
Everyone in this world are decended from us, vow..... 

>
>Here's a suggestion for you. Maybe if you try to post more often in this
>network and with a different attitude from what you are doing now (note you
>did say that you would be only posting to annoy people, didn't you?),
>perhaps you will be able to stay calm and write things that make sense.  

If you don't like my postings, don't read them or reply to
them, or put me in a kill file.

>>It's because what you are doing right now is what the Greek Cypriots
>>want to repeat to us OVER AND OVER AGAIN so that their last obstruction
>>to Cyprus turning into a GREEK ISLAND is eliminated.
>
>Sorry, if I heard your feelings, but please explain what I did which was


>>>Regarding the thesis that some Turkish Cypriots are of Greek origin, 
>>>linobambakoi, an undisputable fact supporting it is that many Tyrkish 
>>>villages had names of Saints.  The one that comes to my mind now is
>>>Ayios Nikolas (Saint Nicholas) in the Paphos District, close to Platres
>>>and Arsos. 

The fact that some majority Turkish vilages had Greek names is no fact 
supporting that "some" Turkish Cypriots are actually Greek. 


>wrong, so that I'll try to avoid it in the future. Maybe don't mention
>historical facts that cause tension between us for example.  That is not 
>necessarily a bad idea provided there would be sincere willingness to 
>discuss about the real issues.
>

As far apart that we are(Greek-Turkish Cypriots), I am not sure that 
it's worth the effort.

>Looking forward to hearing from you again.

Besime.

>-- 
>Michalis Syrimis
>University of Illinois
>Urbana-Champaign
>

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