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From: vendwrt@iddsupp5.austin.ibm.com (Vendor Writer Guest Login)
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Subject: Re: Why did the Glass Break! Cause and Effect
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:12:47 GMT
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O.K. O.K> Alright, enough! Yes heavy equipment IS moved around. But, did
you ever notice something called an anti-grav unit on board? As for Dr.
Crusher's glass, it is mentioned that perhaps she WANTED a REAL glass.

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> From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
> Subject: Re: Why did the Glass Break! Cause and Effect
> Message-ID: <i4smiB3w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US>
> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 92 20:38:53 EST
> References: <1992Apr1.201049.1849@visus.com>
> Organization: Berry Communications
> 
> 
> > You would think that hundreds of years from now that material
science would  
> > have advanced enough such that drinking glasses would not break when
dropped 
> > from a height of two feet.
> 
> I'm sure that unbreakable drinking glasses are available on board the
> Enterprise.  But if Dr. Crusher insists on asking the replicator for
> old-fashioned silica glass, that's her choice.
> 
> For some applications, however, such fragile materials are simply not
> acceptable.  On several of the engineering levels, the floor immediately
> surrounding the matter-antimatter core is transparent.  This is a rather
> nifty design concept, affording the engineers a much better view of the
> entire intermix column, no matter what level they're on.
> 
> But in "Heart of Glory," one of the rogue Klingons was standing there,
> threatening to fire a weapon at the intermix column and, possibly,
> destroy the ship. Worf killed him with a phaser at close range.  The
> Klingon fell to the transparent floor, which shattered, allowing him to
> fall down to the next level -- where, fortunately, the floor was strong
> enough to stop him.
> 
> Now wait just a minute!  Are we supposed to believe that the transparent
> floor panels are made of *glass*?  And glass thin enough that it can be
> broken by the impact of a person *falling down* on it?  This is
> Engineering!  Pieces of heavy equipment get moved into and through
> that area, and must surely rest on that transparent floor at times.
> It's inconceivable that those panels would be fragile.  By rights, they
> should be made of transparent aluminum.
> 
> Of course, you could make drinking glasses out of it, too.
> 
> 
> Pat Berry                    pat@berry.Cary.NC.US
From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:42:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.074215.12501
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
think?

Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today.  :-)

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From: Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Hypercard stack episode guide
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:35:29 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Well, I finally got that file binhexed and everything (had to d/l it to
IBM, put it on Mac, uncompress it, etc...<whew>)...  I have to say -
that is incredible.  I don't remember who created this, but it's
incredible.  Kudos to you and Timothy Lynch for providing the synopses. 


How will updates to the stack be handled?  I.e. newer episode synopses. 
Is it possible for the new episodes to be d/led and added to the stack? 
Or would a new complete stack have to be d/led?

Mike

ps.  I love that intro with Patrick Stewart...


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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
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Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:52:07 GMT
Organization: Berry Communications

bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:

> In article <1992Apr6.194439.6537@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott
> >
> >Isaac Asimov died this morning , April 6, 1992 A.D.
> >
> >WHo's left?
> >-- 
> 
> Just Arthur (at least out of the 4 authors who made it into Encyclopaedia
> Britannica).  Just read an editorial of his in IASFM in which he said he
> was feeling poorly - didn't know how prophetic it was (sigh).

It wasn't prophecy -- he's been ill for months.  In fact, his AP
obituary reports that he wrote a one-page farewell when he realized that
he was dying.  It will appear in the next issue of F&SF.


Pat Berry                    pat@berry.Cary.NC.US
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Wesley and Alexander
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:18:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.173040.3448@revcan.rct.ca> robert@revcan.rct.ca (Robert Presland) writes:
>In article <92105.103353AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>I think that Wesley and Alexander should be both ejected into
>>space
>
>and you too ???
>
>>I can't stand either of them, and I really wonder why the producers of
>>TNG keep putting in these little snobby brats who think they can act.
>
>There are not a lot fo children actors/actreses I am sure, they aren't
>born from tress you know (to borrow a phrase and twist it).

That doesn't excuse them. If he (I'm excluding Wheaton from this
because I have no complaints about his acting) can't act, I don't
want him on TNG. If they can't find a kid who *can* act to play
the role, I'd rather they dump the character.


>In case there was any doubt, I am against you.  A world without children
>is a world without joy [did I say that???]

Well, depends... :-)


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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Re: Stuff About "The Perfect Mate" (premise spoilers)
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Scott Gorcey writes:



>      The premise makes me think of two things.

>      One, the TOS first season episode with the salt creature that 
>      appears to the crew as their "perfect mates" - like McCoy seeing
>      his old girlfriend, Uhura seeing her fantasy man, etc.  

It almost sounds like a merging of "The Man Trap" (salt-sucker) and "Elaan
of Troyius" (falling in love with the Dolman).

>      Two, that episode of (cringe) Buck Rogers, first season I think -
>      they were still on Earth - where Dr. Heuer (hm. interesting coincidence)
>      is transporting a genetically perfect woman to a galactic beauty
>      contest.

Lucky Dr. Heuer  :-)

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru (was Re: Locarno = Kirk)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:08:48 GMT

Followups set to r.a.s.misc.

jkramer@sunwise.UWaterloo.ca (Viscous Pig Dog) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.004658.10258@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>These questions weren't addressed to me but .... who cares ?

Hey, the more the merrier.

>>You think ST2 wasn't done well?  You think Kirk doesn't have this flaw?  

>I don't think he had it until ST2.

Oh, I think he did.  I think he showed that cockiness throughout virtually all
of TOS.  It was never referred to as a flaw before, but that's not ST2's
fault.

>>Yes, Kirk's had bad situations before, but never to the scale he had with
>>Spock's death.  

>How about 'Where no man has gone before'? The only difference between this
>and ST2 was that Kirk's and Mitchell's relationship was stated whereas we
>saw Kirk's and Spock's relationship on screen for three years and change.

Isn't that what so many people insist makes the difference?  

Putting that aside, I agree that Gary's death is the sort of thing that
*might* have forced Kirk to examine this kind of thing, but he obviously
*didn't*, because it didn't change his attitude a bit.  

>There's also 'City on the Edge of Forever' and 'Balance of Terror'.

Um...what are you thinking about with BoT?  "City" is obvious, but...

>The episode that shows that Kirk had trouble accepting defeat or more
>precisely, he thought of defeat as failure was 'Obsession' but at the end
>of that episode he had learned to accept the fact that there are instances
>where nothing you can do will make things work out.

It's been a long, long time since I saw "Obsession", so I'll have to back
away from that; but again, I would show that Kirk's bulling right on in to
the next situation with his "la-de-dah, I know I can't die" attitude later
on in the series shows that as far as we can tell, he accepted nothing.

>>I don't fault Kirk for
>>fighting to the end; I fault him for refusing to ever admit that there 
>>*might* be a time when he can't trick his way out of trouble.
>>
>And I don't think it was a major flaw until the guys who wrote ST2 brought
>it up. 

I don't think it was *recognized* as a flaw until ST2.  Guess why ST2 is
my favorite piece of film with the TOS characters in it.

>I also think that the character flaw that they introduced in
>ST2 flew in the face of the evidence presented in TOS.

I think not.

Tim Lynch
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes (was Re: Boseman and Canon)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:38:13 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Apr4.045406.12312@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>exusing@exu.ericsson.se (Craig Singer) writes:
>
>>I'm holding out for a parallel universe episode like
>>that one (can't remember name) in TOS where Spock had a beard!  Just 
>>imagine what Riker could do with the Tantalyst Field!  
>
>1)  You're thinking of "Mirror, Mirror".
>
>2)  Don't hold your breath for a mirror-TNG episode; it won't happen.  

The author of the original `Mirror, Mirror' (Jerome Bixby?) has penned
a TNG sequel entitled `Broken Mirror'.  The producers deemed this too
expensive to film, for TV anyway.  I hoping it becomes the first TNG
movie!


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From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deep Throat 9
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:50:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybernet.ui3RiB8w164w
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Just checking up on the status of DT9.

Marilyn Chambers is still slated as the on-board doctor?  And ol' Long 
Dong is still the proprietor of the holodeck brothel, no?  Thanx.

"Star Trek: Deep Throat 9; The Final Frontier, Going (and Coming) where
 no one has gone (or come) before!!!"


                                         - Sasha

P.S: =-) for those in need.



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From: bbrown@willamette.edu (Brian Brown)
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Subject: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Summary: When do kids learn Calculus?  Why is SF Academy on Earth?
Keywords: Calculus Academy FIRST DUTY
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:30:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr5.193049.8504
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR

Okay, two questions popped into my mind while watching THE FIRST DUTY:

1)	When do kids in TNG learn Calculus?  In this episode,  there was
	a refrence to the Squad Leader bucking down on Calc. to get into the
	Academy.  From this, I can only assume that he was taking it in High-
	School (or the TNG equivalent).  However, in another episode (I don't
	remember the name, it was when the people from that mythical planet
	stole several children off the big E), a boy about 10-12 years old
	was complaining about having to learn Calc.  I got the impression
	that both of them were learning in standard tracts, so why the big
	age difference?

	BYW, I have always thought that the 10 year-old learning Calc. was
	unrealistic (that's why I remembered it), because, in general, the
	learning facilities of children that age have not developed to the
	point of being able to understand abstracts such as Calculus (Imagine:
	the limit as the number of apple slices approches infinity gives 5
	apples left for Timmy).

2)	Why is Star Fleet Academy on Earth?  I always had the impression that
	it was in orbit somewhere, and this would seem to me to be a more
	logical location for it, anyway.  It helps give the students more
	experience at being out in space - Whether on a ship, at a StarBase,
	or whatever.  This is not an important point, but what does anybody
	else think?

-Brian W. Brown.

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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:18:35 GMT

demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.150336.1734@osc.edu> phil@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:

>> In article <1992Apr6.074215.12501@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>> |> 
>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
>> |> think?
>> |> 
>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today.  :-)

>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the 
>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>it was a great touch...

Not to mention that most of the Academy stuff was done on location, and
its real hard to install sliding doors without major reconstruction :)
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shabang's First Duty rating.
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:19:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Apr6.212649.3592@iscsvax.uni.edu> morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>You know, the only problem with Wesley C is that he just looks so wimpy.  
>If he were to pump (*clap*) it up, and get some structure to his body and 
>face, he would look a whole lot less nerdish, but I digress (so what else 
>is new?).
>

Wait for it.  He's still fairly young; he'll fill out.  Besides, some of
us PREFER slimmies.

Regards,
Janis C.
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From: deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org (David Deitch)
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Subject: SPOILEReview: "The First Duty"
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:09:58 GMT
Organization: Galaxy Information System (GIS) 1:133/411 Atlanta, Ga

On Sat, 04/Apr/92 at 04:39, Jason Snell said this to All:

 JS> I think lots of them grow out of it. Lacarno's screw-up, however, was so 
 JS> great that he didn't get the chance. Wesley will. Picard did.

     Larcono will become like that guy in TOS who hid aboard the Enterprise and  
murdered a planet-member.  It was Kirk's friend from the Acadamy that ended in 
a fight after silencing all the heartbeats <right>.  The guy went crazy because 
he was a failure.

 JS> This show was actually riveting, too, because Wesley's no longer a regular
 JS> cast member.. and because I was shocked that they'd make Wesley do anything
 JS> dumb at all. Nice work. Nice writing.

     Actually, I found it out of character.  As a former member of the 
Enterprise crew, I wouldn't have guessed Wes being the kind who needs to be 
part of the best flight team, nor would I have placed piloting as his main 
interest.  Remember, he is supposed to become such a great propulsion 
phsysicist.  And then for someone who has seen as much as Wes, who has seen 
how real leaders act, to become so easily beguiled and controlled by no more 
than a ranking cadet, it was a character disappointment for me.

          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta
 

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Organization: UUNET Communications Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:10:54 GMT

 > > Nay, I'd say Locarno has learned the lessons of life very
 > > well.  No need to take the heat for something when you don't
 > > have to, particularly if you can blame someone who is
 > > already dead, and mostly responsible for their own death
 > > anyway.  Wesley was naive, and he let Picard bully him into
 > > making a stupid confession.
 > 
 > Are you kidding?

Not at all.  Wesley's confession didn't bring Josh back, and Josh
decided for himself to attempt the maneuver.  Self-immolation for
no gain was more stupid than the stunt they pulled to land them
in mess they were in.  Locarno was right; Wes should have resigned.
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: SPOILEReview: "The First Duty"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:32:32 GMT

In article <338.29E28C90@gisatl.fidonet.org> deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org (David Deitch) writes:
>On Sat, 04/Apr/92 at 04:39, Jason Snell said this to All:
>
> JS> I think lots of them grow out of it. Lacarno's screw-up, however, was so 
> JS> great that he didn't get the chance. Wesley will. Picard did.
>
>     Larcono will become like that guy in TOS who hid aboard the Enterprise and  
>murdered a planet-member.  It was Kirk's friend from the Acadamy that ended in 
>a fight after silencing all the heartbeats <right>.  The guy went crazy because 
>he was a failure.
>
> JS> This show was actually riveting, too, because Wesley's no longer a regular
> JS> cast member.. and because I was shocked that they'd make Wesley do anything
> JS> dumb at all. Nice work. Nice writing.
>
>     Actually, I found it out of character.  As a former member of the 
>Enterprise crew, I wouldn't have guessed Wes being the kind who needs to be 
>part of the best flight team, nor would I have placed piloting as his main 
>interest.  Remember, he is supposed to become such a great propulsion 
>phsysicist.  And then for someone who has seen as much as Wes, who has seen 
>how real leaders act, to become so easily beguiled and controlled by no more 
>than a ranking cadet, it was a character disappointment for me.
>
>          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta
> 

Ida no.  Wes started out as a little unsure of himself socially on the
ship, and this is the first time he's been in an atmosphere where there
are a lot of people his own age around -- the first time that he's
REALLY come up against that mystical entity, *PEER PRESSURE*.  I can see
how he might want to get in on something like this to be "one of the
gang."  Think about his past a bit.

Regards,
Janis C.
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Question for Peter David RE: "The Disinherited"
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:12:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Apr10.211258.361
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Peter,

Since you are the person on the inside, so to speak, can you please tell me
which of you three wrote the little bit about Checkov's nerves. I am
referring to the part when McCoy is going over his charts, and Sulu sneaks
a peak in the conference room....it is on pages 38-40.

I laughed so hard my eyes leaked...(but that's all).

It sounded like your sense of humor (and a great one at that) but I wanted
to be sure...


Not a lot of people have been successful at bringing humor to Trek, so
please keep up the good...great...work...

Dave
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