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From: ag0514@csc.albany.edu (Andy Goldstein)
Subject: Printing to my LW from P8
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: comp
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:12:11

I have a GS with a Personal LW NT, connected through Appletalk.  Can I print
to the LW from a P8 program without first running GSOS?  If so how?  Any
help would appreciated....

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From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: A2-Central uses cheap paper?!?!?!
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:06:24 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Roy Barrett's lips:
> 
> Hey, I was wondering, is this new Fishhead magazine going to be as *small* as
> A2-Central? A2-Central is great and all, but it's real small, and really
> looks more of a user group type newsletter.. (Cheap paper, etc)
> 
> I'm not ragging on it, Just wondering if the new one would be like this one.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    *Really*?!?!  What the heck has paper quality got to do with magazine
content quality?  Would you rather see A2-Central on nice, heavy stock with
colour photos and pay three times as much?  I just waded through a bunch of
replies to another one of your hypercritical messages about Apple.  Give it
a rest and stop bitching for a change.

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From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: Apple ][ typing program
Keywords: Apple ][, typing
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:22:49 EST

todd@zbt.sw.stratus.com (Todd Joseph) writes:

> I'm looking for a good typing program for an Apple ][.  I'd like to
> get shareware, but I'm willing to buy one if someone knows a good one.
> Thanks for any help.

Try Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing. It's a fantastic program, excellent 
analysis of just what you're doing wrong or need more help on. See if you 
can get it from Quality or Big Red.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Turbo IDE Card description
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:58:02 GMT

pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer) writes:

>>>The ROM on the card is highly optimized for maximum throughput, using 65816
>>>commands in the GS version. You can order both ROMs (if I recall correctly,
>>>a ROM costs $10), so if you want to swap machines (which you don't do every
>>>day normally, anyway ;), you just exchange the ROM and that's it.
>>	Although, in theory, you should be able to use the //e version
>>in both machines.  That way, you wouldn't have to swap ROM chips.
>	Does this mean it is going to have problems with a 2e with the 
>zip 8000 or a GS with a TW or Zip card? If we have any other hardware 
>configuration are we going to have to get special ROM's for these???

A //e with the zip 8000 can't have any DMA device in it. In that case, you'd
be better off with the predecessor of the Turbo IDE, which does not use
DMA (and is therefore cheaper :). Of course, you could also disable DMA on the
Turbo IDE card. This is not the card's fault, the ZIP chip and DMA are a
no-no :).

As for the GS: It works fine with either TWGS or ZIP. No problem at all.

Again, the two different ROMs do reflect the fact that there are two
different processors, nothing more. The GS ROM uses 16-bit instructions for
speed. The //e ROM doesn't.

Soenke
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Subject: Re: Turbo IDE Card description
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:10:58 GMT

stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>	In the //e, you can't move the zero page, so this isn't
>possible.  The cards for the //e and the gs are the same, the only
>difference is the code on the rom chip.  I imagine the GS rom uses
>other 65816 specific opcodes as well.

If your //e has a 65802 it can move the zero page. Would it be able to use
the //gs ROM or is there more to it than that?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: My wish list from programmers
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:45:08 GMT

gasman@cyberden.uucp writes:

>Things I would REALLY like to see for the Apple IIgs:
>1) A .ZIP _packer_, not just an unpacker.

Bug Drechsau about this one :)

>2) A .ARJ unpacker, and NO, I dont want one that uses a shell(Unarj).

Probably with the second release of the LHA shell. It's planned :)

>4) A JPEG loader/compresser

There is. But awfully slow :)

>5) One program that will unpack EVERYTHING(zip, arj, arc, gshk, shk, lha, 
>lzh, zoo, etc)

Again, the packer shell should provide this, by interfacing (via desktop)
to the EXEs you hate so much :)

Soenke
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: cmcurtin@bluemoon.use.com (Matthew Curtin)
Subject: Re: Converting NeXT sound files to GS
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:19:04 EST

irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

> Both these things, and much more, are in AudioZap 2.0, which will only be
> avalible to registered users of earlier versions.

Ack! I can't buy AudioZap 2.0? How about this, can I buy an earlier 
version of AudioZap, register, and then get 2.0? :)

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From: danb@pro-sol.cts.com (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: pointless pointers?
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:01:56 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-sol], Rancho San Diego, CA

In <1992Dec17.175728.4676@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>Hiya,
>	I just got pointless (finally!) the other day and yesterday, finally
>broke down and printed something from Appleworks GS, and was devastated by the
>quality (etc etc) and now have this great urge to find lots of TrueType fonts. 
>Any pointers and tips on converting Mac/IBM ones to my GS?  (Please don't tell
>me it's in the faq, please, pretty please?)

        First, Pointless won't improve on the resolution of your printer.  It
will, however, let you always have the perfect size available.  As to
converting fonts from the Mac, that's easy.  Put in the Mac disk with the
fonts, copy them to the GS, and "Add" them to Pointless.  That's it. 
Converting fonts from Windows is harder, and requires a Mac with
Metamorphosis or Fontographer to convert them to Mac format.

>	Anyway, in one of my tests, using courier, part of one letter
>"infringed" on another letter (separated by a space), using a 12 point size. 
>Is that a bug with pointless (courier was supplied by them) or was that another
>of AppleWorks GS bugs?  

        I haven't seen this problem, but I don't print in Courier very much. 
The stuff I've done in Courier works fine, though, so I doubt it's Pointless.

>Also, is there any way to make the default font _not_ Geneva?

        Not that I know of...  If there is a way, I'd like to know, too!

>	Thanx for any help.  Ciao.

--> Dan


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Forget 'cc' --- sorry
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:02:05 GMT

Hallo,

the version(s) of cc posted to cba2 have a major bug ... the kludge file
mechanism does not work at all. Yeah, I should test my stuff better.
A new version should be up at the end of the week.

Sorry for waste of bandwidth

Soenke

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From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: "Apple II Forever" (Was: Re: Project Apple Storm)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:07:51 GMT


I had absolutely no idea that the meeting was being taped. I was pretty
surprised to see the transcript. It brought a smile to my face.

I guess I'd forgotten about there being a recorder there. At the end of the
meeting, Ernie produced a tape recorder, and played us a song, the Apple II
Forever Song, which btw, I'd never heard before.

Joe Kohn
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Floptical instead of SuperDrive?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 13:00:01 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu

grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:

>I have my own question about this: Can one of those Floptical drives (720K,
>1.44MB, 21MB) drives connected to a SCSI card work with the MS-DOS FST?

In theory, yes. Everyone offering stuff currently expects it to work when the
FST is released, and if there are problems then they will almost definitely be
considered bugs and fixed pronto.

>If it could, that would be great... Read all IBM, Mac, and of course my
>Apple II disks as well as 21MB removable "cartridges".  This sounds, to
>me, like a much better cost:performance ratio than a SuperDrive and card.

The Floptical can already exchange 1.44MB disks with Macintoshes. To me, it is
a great interim product, and will keep me chugging until long after the MO
devices are well established...

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:11:11 GMT

Roy Barrett (dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu) wrote:
: Matt, it's over at Apple Computer for us Apple IIers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
: have great developers, but how is Apple gonna help us? No way. Who's gonna
: revise our System Software? No one. The Apple IIgs will be dead by 1993, we
: know it, it's a confirmed rumor, unless Apple changes their mind. At Apple,
: we've reached the point of no return. (Or atleast with the IIgs, what are
: they gonna do? Hold on to the IIe for a year and then drop it too?)

: What about "Apple II Forever", Matt? What about that? Lack of support is one
: thing, but having our forefathers lie to us is another.

                                    ^^^
                                    !!!

What did Matt lie about?  Dont go calling someone a liar just
because you are pissed off about Apple.   I am mighty pissed
off as well but at least I understand that ITS NOT MATT'S FAULT.
AT LEAST HE STILL SUPPORTS US.

Dammit...I have never met Matt, but just by the time he spends
in the RTC on GEnie and his post volume here, he obviously devotes
a large amount of his time to us.

I am just sick of everyone taking it out on him.  I dont want one of
the only resources we have left to us at Apple alienated.
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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple II Forever Music
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:23:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkside.Bz4Mr7.51w
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]



Will someone be kind enough to record the Apple II Forever song as a 
digitized sound? It'd be cool to hear/see/etc... Also, I'd love to see
the GS Commercial in PP 2.0 Sound/Animation.

(Hmm, or can we see 3200 Animation? nahh)
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From: co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: where do I get Operating systems updates?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 10:35:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Since I'm new to full Internet sites having come off of a UUCP system I have    


never had to deal with that and at this time don't.
From: Brenden.Gilbert@ofa123.fidonet.org (Brenden Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: COdes for Tymnet/YTelenet
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:12:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 
     Thanks for all of your replies! I appreciate it! :)  I was wondering
if anyone here can tell me how to get the codes for telnet/tymnet to hook
up to a VAX.  For Gallux.Gallaudet.Edu, you can call up a 1800 number and
enter a xxx xxx nbr and hook to the vax or unix system.  I need to know
the ones for vax.csun.edu
 
Thanks
 
Brenden
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From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:47:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz3yvw.HLA
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Jay M. Krell writes

> Apple thinks their is a larger market for computer users, not computer
> hobbyists. They are right. Most computer users have no need to open up their
> computer to see what is going on, playing with softswitches, and learning how
> their computer works. They want an idiot box. An appliance, if you will. Do 
> you know how your car, TV, and refrigerator work? Or do you just turn the key 
> and press the accelerator, punch the buttons, and leave it plugged in,
> respectively? There are more people that don't care how their appliances work
> than that do care. The problem is when the appliance forces you to understand
> it. Do you buy a car w/o a radio and then install it yourself? Or would you 
> go to a "professional" to do it? Again, there are both kinds of people, but 
> most would not mess with it themselves. The non-hands-on people would rather 
> buy something that they don't have to put their hands on.

	Yes, you're right, the market for the consumer machine is much larger.  
But as Apple has been showing the "open it up and get your hands dirty" machine  
does just as decent of a job of acting as an applicance as a Mac does. But that  
is not my main point, my point is that Apple is neglecting a market with this  
approach of "applicance' machines with the Mac. Just with the car mentioned  
above, there are a lot of people who like to take cars apart and tinker with  
them. And those of us who like to do the same with the computers are going to  
the PC's.



> The Apple II's stability is a double-edged sword. Does it do something too
> slowly? It'll stay that way. Well, you can add a Zip. Graphics resolution too
> low? It'll stay that way.

	Until the GS, Double hi-res was thought to be the best the Apple II  
could do, the Apple showed them all with Super Hi-Res. But the basic point is  
that graphics resolution is merely I/O, which can be modified. The '816 doesn't  
know about graphics, it just moves data. If it happens to be screen memory,  
well, then thats ok. If the GS had more current support, getting past Super  
Hi-Res would not be a problem.

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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Pointless 2.0
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:22:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1gsgboINNdeh@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) writes:
>Has anyone that ordered the Pointless 2.0 upgrade yet received it??

FYI, there's a v2.0.1 release now.  Apparently there was a problem where
you'd end up with several different copies of the font appearing in the
font menu.

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[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tonyh@pro-scat.cts.com (Tony Hamaoui)
Subject: //c system for sale
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:17:33 EST

the person I was going to sell my //c to decided she did not want it.      
So I have my //c for sale again.

apple //c
with 14" apple color composite monitor
imagewriter // printer and hayes comp modem.....

the software titles include appleworks 3.0 bank street writer, new         
printshop, old printshop, one on one... and more...

the //c is a rom 3 //c.  I've had this system since 89....I need to        
get rid of this system by christmas so any offers would be gladly          
apprediated!!!!!

Thank you 
tony hamaoui

E-mail if interested....
From: edward@pro-ren.cts.com (Edward Floden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: A2-Central (was Re: Project Apple Storm)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:59:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Technological Renaissance Information eXchange

dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:

>A2-Central is great and all, but it's real small, and really
>looks more of a user group type newsletter.. (Cheap paper, etc)

The "cheap paper" is there for a reason, and it's not because it reduces the
cost of the paper: it's there because the paper's WEIGHT is lower. Which
means that the postage costs are lower.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Stop IBM Pirate Lamers!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:37:21 GMT

Ok, you all can stop the cards and letters.  root@cco.caltech.edu has deleted
the ROM images due to several letters she recieved.  Thanks to all who mailed!

fyi, if this happens again, she will delete nyet's account (rah!)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: System 6.0 Reliability
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
	<c87p03y2c2It00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:13:55 GMT

In article <c87p03y2c2It00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>Check your RAM.  Run the Claris test for a few hours.

I don't have that test...but I do have another test that came with the
card (Sequential Systems 4-meg RAM GS).  It's a brand-new card...just
installed it two days ago.  I ran the self-test after installation and
nothing was wrong.  I have to leave for work in a few hours, though,
so I'll let the program run its "extended test" while I'm out.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz)
Subject: Re: Using Apple Disk II on Mac Lc Emulation cards?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:16:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.215626.8084@news.nd.edu> treesh@bach.helios.nd.edu (carey treesh) writes:
>I am not a member of this news group, so I would prefer an answer in email
>if anyone can help me out.
>
>Im looking to find out if one can use the old DISK ][ units (with the 
>ribbon cable) the Mac IIlc with the 2e emulation card?  I can not seem
>to locate the needed adapter.

Well, which adapter are you looking for?  You will need one that connects to
the back of the LC and converts that funky plug into a disk connector and
a joystick port.

Then you will need a cable that replaces the one on your disk ][ and
converts the 20 pin connector to a 19 pin connector.  This part is 
available from Quality Computers (geez, I can't even remember the
number off the top of my head anymore).  The former part number was
C-DRIVE-19 (it's cross referenced, so you should be able to just tell
the order-taker that part over the phone).  I think it cost under $20.

One last thing, though.  I have never successfully connected a Disk ][
to the LC IIe card.  Heck, I've never even tried it.  It may work, but
it may not.  If you know of someone who has gotten this to work, then
go for it.

One last note, if someone has gotten this to work and you try it and it
doesn't work... try adjusting the speed on your disk drive.  I remember
that the LC/IIe requires the 5.25 disk speed to be slightly slower than
what is acceptable on the IIe or II GS.

	Good luck!
		...Mike

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