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From: burger@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (The Rodman)
Subject: Re: When guys lose their tempers
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Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.073746.18473@nuscc.nus.sg> isc30350@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOW SUET CHENG) writes:
>
>I would like to get some views on this topic from the dear people here
>in net.land.
>
>I have know of guys who when they lose their tempers, hit their
>girlfriends. After that they are remorseful about it, but they tell
>their girlfriends that it's because they (the girlfriend) make them so
>angry that they can't control themselves. Is this really true or is it
>just an excuse?
>
>Then there are those also who when things go wrong, they'll blame them
>on the girlfriends and say that the girlfriends have distracted them
>from doing their best. Is this valid?
>
   So let me get this straight.  They say they feel remorse, yet at the 
   same time they use their girlfriends as scapegoats by blaming their
   own shortcomings on them?  It sounds like these "guys" subscribe to
   the notion that having a girlfriend is a right rather than a privilege,
   e.g., "If I get angry, I have the right to hit you because it's your
   fault, certainly not mine, oh no, it can never be mine."  Sorry, but
   even though anger is a valid human emotion, it is never a valid 
   justification for a guy to initiate a "bodyslam, thank you Ma'am"
   on his girlfriend (or other supposed loved one) or vice versa.  IMHO,
   if you abuse the privilege, you should lose the privilege.

      --The Rodman

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From: marcia@netcom.com (Marcia)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Am I in Love?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:51:20 GMT
Organization: The Dolphin Conspiracy, Phase II

In article <1bjsfmINN1bc@rave.larc.nasa.gov> roberso@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (Steve Roberson) writes:
>I thought all this time that I loved her, but now I'm not so sure.
>
>We both have commitment, honesty, trust, and communication so what is
>missing?

I have all this with my "forever friends", yet I'm not "in love" with them.

What's different? There's a certain spark that I feel with an SO, something
special, something I've never been able to define. It's something that
draws me to them above and beyond what draws me to a friend, and works on
a deeper level. Without that, the relationship just doesn't move for me.
Perhaps this is what you are missing?

I've been in situations where we both liked each other and tried going out,
but we just liked each other too much to fall in love. No spark, but lots
and lots of warm fuzzies.
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From: vshapiro@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (V K Shapiro)
Subject: Re: An emerald as an engagement ring?
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:30:48 GMT

In <AeqNEgW00WB54OUgVv@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I think an emerald ring is a wonderful stone to have in an engagement
>ring. But then I like emeralds a great deal. I think diamonds are nice,
>but after realizing that they're mined in South Africa (a great majority)
>I would rather not contribute to their government. So I'd rather have
>an emerald.

Ummmm......emeralds are mined in South America (a great majority).....
How do you feel about supporting some of the governments down there ??

Vanessa

"Sometimes I talk complete nonsense, just to keep myself entertained."
                                               Anton Coltham

ps. I like diamonds AND emeralds, wherever they may come from! :)
From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Gifts for Men?
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:38:13 GMT
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia


LADIES - TAKE NOTE WELL....

Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon) writes...

> Colorforms; LEGO Castles; Juggle Cats; Giant Bubble Makers;
> Zippy the PinHead Books with a nice inscription; video
> games; more video games; things to put video games into;
> dust covers for his video game collection; a gift certificate
> for 100 of his favorite kind of fruit from Safeway;
> a secret, one-day, sleep-over vacation in a romantic place
> (but not so secret so that he doesn't know where you are);
> a car full of multi-colored balloons; extraordinary puppets;
> an extraodinary puppet theater if he already has lots of
and goes on and on and on and on...

yes yes, Yes, YES YES (interpret orgasmic bliss!!!!)

If a woman were to give me just a tenth, no a hundreth of this
list I would be her slave for life!!!!!

Geoffrey
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From: eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Daniel L'Hommedieu)
Subject: Re: Advice for Confused Soul
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:13:24 GMT

I'm in a coed fraternity here at NC State.  My pledge class was the
first to be coed.  We were advised to not date the women.  The brothers
were advised that only dating relations established previous to the
"pledge-hood" would be allowed.

The reason for this is that you must (egad!) fraternize with each other.
Many times, when a dating relationship goes sour, the two cannot talk to
one another.  This causes problems in any group, and especially in a
coed fraternity, where you will be seeing each other often.

Take the entire semester to get to know her.  If you are truly attracted
to her, you will still be, at the end of the semester.  You don't need
to date someone; just enjoy spending time with her.  But, spend time
with all of the pledges, if you can afford that much time!

You said something about putting added pressure on her if you said
something.  This is true--it could cause her to WANT to be a part of the
frat (assuming she's NOT certain)...or it could cause her to NOT want
to.  I really can't say.  It's not a good idea to try to sway someone
like this.

I'd say that you don't HAVE to say something to her, but if she asks,
certainly DON'T LIE!

Daniel
--
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From: Rec.humor.funny:				   "Ich bin ein Adler"
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      "Feed the Homeless to the Hungry"
From: emp1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Ernest M. Paik)
Subject: Re: Charlatans, Blur and RIde?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:53:23 GMT

dpotosky@dewey.NMSU.Edu (David Potosky) writes:

>I am rather fond of all these groups, and wondered where I can get more  
>information on them, and further if I am the only one who likes them alot.  I  
>am interested in all info, discography, history, etc. as I know little to  
>nothing regarding the bands themselves.

No problem.  I don't know a whole lot about Ride, but I remember reading that
they met at art school.  Here's a quickie discography:
	Ride EP, Play EP, Smile (Ride and Play compiled), Nowhere,
	Vapour Trail EP, Today Forever EP, Going Blank Again,
	Leave Them All Behind EP, Twisterella EP
Here are the videos from them that I am aware of:
	"Chelsea Girl", "Like a Daydream", "Taste", "Vapour Trail",
	"Leave Them All Behind", "Twisterella"

there are loads of discographies at the ftp site ftp.uwp.edu (I think that's
right)...I'm pretty sure a better discography for Ride is available there.

Lemme see...I know less about the Charlatans UK...from reading interviews, tho,
they seem like pretentious bastards...but they make good music.  I remember
reading that they said that they wanted to be "...the best FUCKING band in
the world...and we have the potential to do it..."(somewhat paraphrased).
They said that they should be CHARLATANS THE WORLD, instead of UK.
yucko.  But, I just listen to their music and ignore their attitudes.

Here's the releases I'm aware of:  "Some Friendly", "The Only One I Know" EP,
	"Over Rising" EP, "Indian Rope" EP (?), "Between 10th and 11th"
as for videos:  "The Only One I Know" (2 versions), "Then", "Sproston Green",
		"Weirdo" (2 versions), "I Don't Want To See the Sights"

I don't listen to Blur, but I heard that Andy Partridge (of XTC) produced 
something by them...(I think...correct me if I'm wrong).
From: Lawrence.A.Kim@dartmouth.edu (Lawrence A. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Flood discography?
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:22:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

flood has also done extensive mixing work with the charlatans. i also
believe that he has worked with depeche mode in the past.

-lawrence (lawrence.a.kim@dartmouth.edu)
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: AFTP not OOT?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:46:37 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <q+hpc8q@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>Michael Hamilton Walker <mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>> Is AFTP better than OOT?
>
>I always preferred SKROONT and FWEE-BEE-DEE-BEE-DEE-FAP myself.  But
>doesn't this Don Martin stuff really belong in rec.arts.comics.misc?

Hey - IMO, Don Martins are relevant to this group, seeing how we
have quite a few moshers/punks posting here.

Joshua Houk

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From: randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth in Concert
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:25:32 GMT
Reply-To: randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd)
Organization: RDR, Inc.

Bernie Rauscher writes
> If you're lucky, they may play for over an hour. If very lucky,
> much more than an hour. You're on a weak foundation if you're
> complaining about the lack
> of freebies.

Who's talking about freebies?  I think that paying $18 to see the  
headlining band play for only an hour is a rip-off.  I base this on  
all of the previous shows where I've seen bands play for 2 or 3 hours  
for the same price.

Shit, even Guns 'N' Roses plays for like 3 hours, and they're not  
even good.

> I suspect that they did show integrity.

Integrity shmegrity.  Sonic Youth has 7 or so albums out, I would  
expect a good 90 or 120 minutes of live music for one of their  
concerts.
 
> The typical middle class "professional" demands considerably more
> than $20 for an hour of his/her time.

What does this have to do with anything?  Does this mean that for a  
one-hour show, each member of Sonic Youth should make $20?

> The Sonic Youth are no longer "youth" nor particularly
> "underground". Their talent is now widely recognized, and you've
> got to pay to see it.

A bands popularity (however you measure it) is no excuse for playing  
short sets.

Sorry this is sort of flame-oriented.  But using capitalism or yuppie  
mentality to justify a band playing for half of the average period of  
time is ridiculous.

And it should be noted that I am a die hard Sonic Youth fan, and am  
disappointed that they commonly play short sets.


Randy
"The road to Hell is paved with chocolate treats."
				- NoU
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: karen@gab.unt.edu (KAREN SILL)
Subject: requesting info on Portland's music scene
Organization: College of Arts and Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:21:03 GMT

I desperatley need informationon Portland's music scene.
Anything and everything you can tell me will be greatly appreciated.
I know nothing about the scene up there, so consider me ignorant. I am 
rounding up research for an advertising firm that is currently working on a 
project about Portland.  Please e-mail me immediately.

Thanks,
Karen@gab.unt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: L7/Mudhoney Lyrics
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:17:54 GMT

OK, Here they are.


	PRETEND WE'RE DEAD
	

	What's up with whats going down
	In every city in every town
	Crap and style is the plan
	They got us in the palm of every hand

	chr:	When we pretend that we're dead
		When we pretend that we're dead
		They can hear all that we say
		When we pretend that we're dead

	Turn the tables with our unity
	They're neither moral nor majority
	Wake up and smell the cofee
	Or just say no to individuality

	(chr)
	(solo)
	(chr)
	

	


	IN 'N' OUT OF GRACE

	Jesus take me to a higher place
	Like in 'n' out of grace
	Crashed boody and blood I cry
	Like in 'n' out of grace
	Cry for mercy relieve my head
	Like in 'n' out of grace
	Spill my sleep suck my waist
	like in 'n' out of grace

	(Danny shows off)

	(Turner/Arm shows off)

	Oh god how I love to hate
	Like in 'n' out of grace
	Save me love fuck the rest
	Like in 'n' out of grace

	(Final show-off)


The lyrics to in 'n' out are probably all wrong, but I swear to god it 
*really* sounds like this is what he's singing (shouting).


          /\           | I didn't say this.      | "I never forget a
        /    \         | My supervisor would     | face. Especially
      /        \       | kill me if i did.       | when I've sat
    /    (<>)    \     |_________________________| on it."
  /                \   |Gunnar Horrigmo          | -Kathleen Turner
/____________________\ |gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no| Crimes of passion
From: genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: signature
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:28:44 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

i have been getting a lot of shit because my messages end with

save a nation-kill a liberal

that is not my signature, that is a system default. i have been getting 
mail calling me a facist and i think thats fucked up. the system can add 
a signature ya know... so dont fuck with me about it. if you dont like it 
write to:system@hale.cts.com
thx.
-g

HALE TELECOMMUNICATIONS- Public Access Node, San Diego CA 619/660-6734 V32bis
genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)   09-Oct-92 at 1:30p

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From: lkvarda@booboo.wpd.sgi.com (Lisa Kvarda)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: XTC Recommendations
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:03:14 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


stuarts@carr62.alleg.edu writes:
> To respond to those of you who posted seeking recommendations of XTC  
> albums, here is a brief review of the albums in their US catalog:
> 
> 	1.  White Music (1977) -  Interesting debut.  Vocals are very  
> 	2.  Go 2 (1978)  -  Strange.  Hyperactive music, again weird  
> 	3.  Drums and Wires  (1979)  -  Dave Gregory has replace Barry  
> 	4.  Black Sea  (1980) -  Their finest achievement to this point,  
> 	5.  English Settlement  (1982) -  Overlong, complex album, that on  
> 	6.  Mummer  (1983) -  Quiet, gentle album, with a relaxed flavor.   
> 	7.  The Big Express  (1984) -  Back to standrad XTC form.  A  
> 	8.  Skylarking  (1986) -  Their finest acheivement ever.  The  
> 	9.  Oranges and Lemons  (1989) -  Another double album which has  
> 	10.  Nonsuch  (1992)  -  Now we come to the album everyone has  
> 	11.  Explode Together  (1980) -  A collection of dub experiments,  

    Was this re-released?  I found it on CD while about the time Rag
    and Bone Buffet was supposed to be out.

> 	12.  Rag and Bone Buffet  (1990) -   A collection of B-Sides, a  

Also:

WaxWorks - a compilation album covering songs from 1977-82, I believe.
           I may have seen it on CD recently.

Compact XTC - another compilation.  I can't remember what year it
              was put out.  Import.


And don't forget the album that was put out as Dukes of Stratosphere.
I can't remember the title, but the hit was "Vanishing Girl". 



Lisa
From: mm68@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Pop Will Eat Itself's New CD?
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

I have never heard of such a group here so for all those of you who are
like me the newest album (which has been out a few weeks in the UK) is
called The Looks or The Lifestyle? Its singles are Karmadrome and Eat Me
Drink Me Love Me Kill Me (?) and the 'Happy' song is called Bulletproof;
'everybody's happy now, we're bulletproof'.

PWEI are on tour at the moment in the UK, by the way.

Pads

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From: yonder@netcom.com (Christopher Russell)
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth in Concert
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:25:20 GMT

rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428) writes:

>Somebody wrote:

>>And it should be noted that I am a die hard Sonic Youth fan, and am  
>>disappointed that they commonly play short sets.

I fall into this same catagory!  I have seem them twice -- once in
San Fransisco and one in Cincinati (also playing _acoustic_ at the 
Bridge School Benefit concert in Mountainveiw, CA).  At both the shows
in Ohio and Calif. they played for at most an hour!  I would have liked
them to play at least another half an hour....  I am a die hard fan.

-- 
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yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@sim.mfg.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: stranglers, early video
Keywords: stranglers, early 70's
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:43:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I heard that a video of early live Stranglers is out, does 
anyone know what the exact title  is? or where you can get it?
I figure this is alternative, its not metal,thrash, hardcore,
etc.   please E-mail reply if ya know.    Mark.
From: lindsay@green.cs.wisc.edu (Joe Lindsay)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: A "Routine" query...
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:56:43 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

This past summer, the unmanned alternative AM radio station in Milwaukee  
played, but never identified (at least not when I was listening), a song whose  
title I can only assume is "Routine."  A subset of the intelligible lyrics:

I tried to join the rat race...
I tried to find my way back to the (ball?)...
Hey what's in a brand name, for it all tastes the same
Routine, routine, day in day out
Routine, routine, pulling me down

So, who does this song, and what ARE the lyrics?

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From: 000998s@ace.acadiau.ca (KARL OVE SONNICHSEN)
Subject: anything
Summary: hi
Keywords: hi
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: alt.music.alternative
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:14:15 GMT

	Hey I just wanted to make a posting asking for someone to start a 
new bunch of topic because these once are getting old.
	Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of those Seatle bands and all but I 
need something new to read!!

thanks   Karl
From: IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: ???Primus???
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:07:53 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Any one have any news on anything new from Primus?
I'm new at this, I think there considered "alternative" and yet I've never
seen any type of discussion on this news group.
anyway, If anyone Does have any news let me know.
-Bern
-IBA100
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: L7/Mudhoney Lyrics
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:04:49 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Oct8.101415.9829@cs.nott.ac.uk>, rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
> In article <gunnarh.187.718534134@dhhalden.no>, gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
> |> In article <1992Oct07.165544.3744@watson.ibm.com> jazzman@vnet.ibm.com (John Bannister) writes:
> |> >From: jazzman@vnet.ibm.com (John Bannister)
> |> >Subject: Re: L7/Mudhoney Lyrics
> |> >Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:55:44 GMT
> |> >In article <gunnarh.183.718463874@dhhalden.no>, gunnarh@dhhalden.no
> |> >(GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
> |> >>
> |> >> OK, Here they are.
> |> >> 
> |> >> 	IN 'N' OUT OF GRACE
> |> >> 
> |> >> 	Jesus take me to a higher place
> |> >> 	Like in 'n' out of grace
> |> >
> |> >        Slidin' in n' out of grace?
> |> >
> |> >> 	Crashed boody and blood I cry
> |> >
> |> >        Christ's body and blood i crave?
> |> >        (sacrelege? yes. but that's what it sounds like to me)

		Crashed body and blood I crave?

> |> >
> |> >> 	Cry for mercy relieve my head
> |> >
> |> >        maybe "relieve my pain"?
> 		or "ache", just a guess

Sounds liek "ache" to me.

> 
> |> >> 	Spill my sleep suck my waist
> |> >
> |> >        i'll have to listen again but i'd bet its spill my blood, scuk my ???
> |> 
> |> Like I've allready said, I don't have a clue, really. But it's NOT blood.

I thought it was "Spill my seed, suck my waist" (or waste?) Ewwwwwww.... :-)

> |> 
> |> 	
> |> >
> |> >> 	Oh god how I love to hate
> |> >> 	Like in 'n' out of grace
> |> >
> |> >> 	Save me love fuck the rest
> |> >         
> |> >        i think its "race" not "rest"
> 		and I think its Lord, not love

Huh?  "Lord?"  Get a hearing aid.  :-)

> |> >
> |> >> The lyrics to in 'n' out are probably all wrong, but I swear to god it 
> |> >> *really* sounds like this is what he's singing (shouting).
> |> >
> |> >We can only do our best.

Of course we can.  It's kinda funny... relative to, say, Sonic Youth,
Mark Arm is clear as day.  Ahhh... the majesty of rock.

Later,
> |  rji@cs.nott.ac.uk    |       to dress in skimpy leather Nazi outfits"      |
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