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From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Dunya'da Turkiye -ozet-son- (Rakamlarla Turkiye)
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:11:15 GMT
Organization: Columbia University


 
1950'de ve 1990'da Dunya'da Turkiye  -son- 
 
 Turkiye'nin dunyada ki durumu -ozet-
 
              
                                1950                         1990
                          -----------------------      ----------------------
Kisi Basina Uretim         Dunya    Turkiye              Dunya    Turkiye
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bugday(kg)..............      66       186                105       350
 
Arpa(kg)................      20        95                 36       126
 
Pirinc(kg)..............      64       2.3                101       4.2
 
Pamuk(kg)...............    2.68       5.7               3.85     10.87  
 
Misir (kg)..............    58.4      28.7                100        35
 
Tutun(kg)...............    1.24       4.4               1.53       4.9  
 
Findik  ................    uretimin %31'i                uretimin %79'u  
 
Incir...................    uretimin %25'i                uretimin %51'i
 
Kuru uzum...............    uretimin %17'si               uretimin %20'si
 
 
 
 
Celik(kg)...............    75.6       4.3                138       175
 
Cimento(kg).............      49        19                202       414
 
Kagit(kg)...............    11.6         1                 40        16
 
Elektrik(kwh)...........     342        38               2300       910
 
Seker(kg)...............      11       6.7                 20        30
 
Linyit(kg)..............     152        33                 -        910 
 
         
       
                                  1975                        1990
1000 kisiye dusen 
                        ------------------------     ----------------------
 
Telefon abone sayisi....      93        18                135       126 
 
Otomobil uretimi........      63        10                 87        35
 
Otomobil sayisi.........     6.2         1                6.7       2.6
  
Televizyon uretimi......      11        14                 19        28 (43)(*)
 
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
(*) TV uretimi gazete haberinde ki gibi 2.5 milyon olarak hesaplanirsa, 
    ulkemizdeki 1000 kisinin tv uretimi 28 yerine, 43 tv olacaktir.
 
 
 
Saygilarimla,
ismet
 
               Zafer, "Zafer benimdir" diyebilenindir; muvaffakiyet,
               "Muvakkaf olacagim" diye baslayan ve "Muvakkaf oldum"
               diyebilenindir.
                                                 Mustafa Kemal,1925      
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4261 talk.politics.mideast:10854 talk.politics.soviet:3446
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.sovie
Subject: Re: Particularly During The Fall Of Van, 'Bowery,'...
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:23:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.aa40iB1w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

hasan.b.mutlu writes:
><XqD9iB1w164w@netlink.cts.com>
>jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
>
>>I think it is an attempt by the enemies of the Turks to get everyone
>>in the world so alienated against the Turks that they vote a UN
>>resolution to REALLY commit genoide.
>
>You apparently think you can post bigoted remarks in public and
>not be called to account. Well, your perceptions are demonstrably
>wrong; you don't fight bigots by running away from them. As for
>the Turkish genocide,
 
OK.  Let me get this straight, Hasan.  
 
You're Turkish, right?  Or are you Armeian?  Or Kurdish?  Or Soviet?
Which side are you on anyway?  No wait.  Don't answer that.  I don't
want to know.
 
And is it the Kurds are committing genocide against the Soviets?
Or is it the Iranians are committing genocide against the Iraqis?
Or is it the Greeks are committing genocide against the Turks?
Or is it the Turks are committing genocide against the Ottoman Empire?
Or is it the Zimbabwe's are committing genoicde against the Sicilians?
 
I just can't figure it out.  And you know what?  I refuse to even 
TRY to figure it out.
 
All I know is, whoever is responsible for posting all these messages
to all these newsgroups and filling up worldwide communication capcity,
disk space and readership hours, is a candidate for genocide, WHATEVER
their nationality, race, religion or creed.  Therefore, I suspect
that whoever is being made to APPEAR in such a negative light is being
framed up by their enemies, whether they are Turks or Armenians or
The Little Green Men from Beta Reticuli-2 or the Nerdy White Guys from
Des Moines, Iowa.
 
There, is that BIGOTED enough for you?  You.... WHATEVER you are?

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From: tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Dunya'da Turkiye -otomobil- (Rakamlarla Turkiye)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:53:33 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


>   Neye itirazin oldugunu anlamadim..Yani oto. kullanmiyalim mi/uretmeyelim mi
>   diyorsun..Cevre kirliligine ve kazalara neden olmamayi oto. uretmemekle
>   veya kullanmamakla mi sagliyacagiz.Trafik kazalarinin ve cevre kirliliginin
>   onlenmesi icin gerekli 'regulasyonlar' tabiki yapilmalidir. Bunun daha cok
>   araba uretmekle ne ilgisi oldugunu pek anlamadim.Grev olabilir diye fabrika

Otomobil uretim rakamlari Turkiye'nin sanayisel gelisimini belirlemek
acisindan iyi bir gosterge olabilir. Fakat bir de `nicin otomobil uretiyoruz?'
sorusunu goz onune alalim. Ornegin ulasim sorununu cozmek icin mi?
Artan otomobil rakamlari Turkiyede ulasim sorununa bir cozum getirmiyor,
hatta yol kapasitesinin bugunku otomobil sayilarina bile yetersiz
kalisi nedeniyle daha fazla Trafik kazalarina sebep oldugu one surulebilir.
Yuksek benzin ucreti de isin cabasi. Trafik kazalarini bugunku yol 
kapasitesini sabit tutarak regulasyonlarla onlemek bence zor. Avrupa veya 
ABD standardlarinda yol yapimi gerekiyor. Turkiyede bu standardlara uyan tek 
yol Istanbul-Izmit parali yolu. Ornegin, soyle bir regulasyon onerilebilir. 
Her ic piyasaya surulen otomobil icin x km. parali yol insaati. 

Tabi ulasim sorununu cozmenin daha ucuz yontemleri olabilir, ornegin
hizli tren.  Ozetle, otomobil (kisi basina) sayilari altyapi sorununu
cozmus ulkelerde bir anlam tasiyabilir, fakat Turkiyede goz onune
alinmasi gerekli daha onemli sayilar oldugu suphesiz.

Murat
From: bayrak@seas.smu.edu (Coskun Bayrak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: News
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:49:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: seas.1992Apr9.214914.20619
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Apr9.170627.4230@ee.rochester.edu> tekalp@ee.rochester.edu (A. Murat Tekalp) writes:
>8 Nisan 1992 TRT haber bulteninden ozetler:
   STUFF DELETED.........>
>SPOR
>Dun Ankara'da oynanan ozel macta A Milli futbol takimi Danimarka'yi 2-1 
>yendi. Milli takimin gollerini 30.dakikada Hami (serbest vurustan), ve 
>89.dakikada Hakan atti.
>
>Trabzon - Fenerbahce macindan sonra cikan olaylardan dolayi, Futbol 
>federasyonu Trabzon'un sahasini IKI MAC icin kapatti ve ayrica 10 milyon TL 
>para cezasi verdi. Bu nedenle bu haftaki Trabzon - Galatasaray maci 
>Ankara'da, 15 Nisan'daki Trabzon - Besiktas Kupa maci da Samsun'da oynanacak.
>(yorum: bakalim Trabzon seyircisi adam gibi mac seyretmeyi ne zaman
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ogrenecek?)
>^^^^^^^^^^

Guzel Arkadasim orasi Trabzon. Orada bir olay olmussa kesin bir sebebi vardir
Yoktan yere olayda cikarmazlar. Kabul edilmiyen bir durum soz konusu oldugu
zaman kendi oyuncularinida hesaba cekecek kadar deli ve doludurlar. Ama onlar
her seyleri ile guzeldirler. 

Murat Bey arkadasim bir dahaki sefer bu denli bir ifade kullanmadan once bir
kez olsun sagina soluna bakmanda yarar var. Trabzonlular pusuya yatmis olabilirler...!(Saka)

BIR KARADAENIZ TURKUSU
Trabzonun adini aca kim idi yazan
oyle baglandim ogan (ona) varmi galbuni (kalbini) bozan.

Her sey gonlunuzce olsun ve iyi calismalar...

Coskun Bayrak
===========================================================================

>Turkiye I.Futbol ligi gol kralliginda Besiktasli Feyyaz ve Trabzonlu Hami
>17 golle basta, ikinci sirada 16 golle Fenerbahceli Aykut var.
>
>Basketbol final grubu maclari devam ediyor. Yari finale yukselen ilk iki takim
>belli oldu: Fenerbahce ve Pasabahce. Diger iki takim Cuma gunu yapilacak
>Kolej - Cukurova ve Efes - Tofas maclarindan sonra belli olacak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: FAQ for ISlamic issues
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 23:32:49 GMT

In article <703229855@flounder.cs.duke.edu> rzantout@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rached N Zantout) writes:
>Approved: azhar@cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
>
>
>
>Assalamu Alaykum
>This is the new version (updated) of the FAQ that we are trying to
>maintain here at MSA (OSU Chapter).     ^^^^^^
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arkadaslar, bu "FAQ" neyin nesidir? Yazildigi gibi mi okunur?
Eger yazildigi gibi okunuyorsa herhangi bir hakaret teskil eder mi?

Hepinize saygilar diler ve bol "FAQ"li, MSA'li, ve OSU'lu gunler
dilerim.

Orhan 
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Because The Designation Of A Turk Is Not A Genetic Feature, 'Zagros.'
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:51:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.m0lYQsO-0003RGC


<ku2h6kINNg86@phakt.usc.edu>
madjdsad@phakt.usc.edu (Zagros Madjd-Sadjadi)

>>>Kurds/Turkey: 12,000,000+

>>Totally wrong. Can you give me referances for this number? Acording to
>>PCGLOBE INC, 1991, USA, the Kurdish population in Turkiye is 11%. The
>>population of Turkiye is 57,000,000 and according to this source the
>>number of Kurds in Turkiye is 6,270,000. It is half of your number.

>Dear Sir, don't say I am totally wrong unless you read a number of sources.
>Here are some more for you to chew your brains out on:
>(1) The Economist, June 24, 1989, p. 68 "The State that Never Was"
>    Kurds in Turkey -- 10 million
>....

You have already demonstrated ample willingness to put your foot
where your mouth is, 'Zagros Cavus.' When one looks at the data you 
provided one must also examine the source which distributed it. After 
all, the above numbers don't mean a thing unless the appropriate
data of the Republic of Turkiye and context is used. What desperate
'data' are you referring to? British? South African? PKK? ASALA/SDPA/ARF 
Terrorism Triangle? KGB? 

>Now if we throw in the 1 to 2 MILLION Kurds who have fled across the border
>to Turkey from Iraq in the last two years, plus figure in a minor rise in
>population we will come to the following figures : 9.2 - 13.8 million Kurds.

Odear. Your lack of intelligence has to be divinely inspired and 
displayed in 'Aryan' museums. Can you provide any proof for this
joke?

>Now show me eight more sources to back up YOUR claims.

I venture to guess that, for years, you have nurtured an obsession
as to who is a Turk? One may have been born from a non-Turkish,
non-Muslim parent outside the Turkish land, yet still can be a 
Turk, provided this person calls himself or herself a Turk. 
Because the designation of a Turk is not a genetic feature,
not a racial or religious feature. It is a matter of identifying
with the Turkish values. 

>"The Kurds have no friends."

In Turkiye, there is a unity of ideals, goals and interests. This is
what makes a society a nation. By the way, whatever happened to your 
'Aryan' buddies in the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle? 

>Azadi Kurdistan

From Erivan?

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:3966 talk.politics.mideast:10279 soc.culture.europe:3507 soc.culture.german:2846
From: armagan@PRC.Unisys.COM (Armagan Ozdinc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:08:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: gvl.1992Apr6.120848.1128
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Paoli Research Center; Paoli, PA

In article <rh31rINN429@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>, hildebra@heike.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Frank Hildebrand) writes:
|> 
|> Isn't it terrorism, too, if the turkish army throws bombs on the heads
|> of INNOCENT women and children. Is this right, only because it is an army
|> of a state who does that. Or are the women guilty only because they get
|> the children who may fight against the Turks a few years later??

No sir. Turkish army did not throw bombs to the heads of innocent
women and children. They throw the bombs to the heads of PKK
terrorists who are supported by Syria and encouraged by Germany.
Turkish army carried out the operation against PKK's Newroz
rebellion very carefully to avoid any harm to the civilian. It was
reported that the women and children were unfortunatelly used by PKK
as shield to beef up its possible genocide propaganda in case of human
life loss. 

My question: why did West Germany kill innocent people as they were
fighting against Beider-Meinhoff in 70s?

Please keep in mind that Turkiye is not Yugoslavia. Germany were
successful in dividing up Yugoslavia, but she will not be successful
in case of Turkiye. She may only cause some damage. That is all.

|> Frank

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 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax, Center for Advanced Information Technology
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: polat@bullet.ecf (POLAT  Mustafa Bilal)
Subject: Haber (15 Nisan )
Originator: polat@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:30:03 GMT

Merhaba;

15 Nisan tarihli gazetelerden ozetler, iyi okumalar.

*************************************** 
DYP grup toplantisindaki konusmasini teror konusuna ayiran ve
dis dunyaya mesajlar veren Demirel, milletvekillerinden bol bol
alkis aldi.  Demirel, devletin anarsiyle hesaplasmadigini, hukuk
devletinin ve demokrasinin gucunu ispatlamanin kendilerine dustu     
gunu soyledi.  (Cumhuriyet)



EKONOMI:

Isvec, Yunanistan ve Macaristan'a yaptigi gezileri tamamlayan devlet
bakani Tansu Ciller Isvec'teki temaslari sirasinda Avrupa Iskan Fonu'ndan
Erzincan depreminde zarar goren, konut ve isyerlerinin imari icin 
200 milyon dolarlik (1 trilyon 289 milyar lira) yardim almayi basardi.
Ciller, ayrica Turkiye'nin onculugunde orta Asya Turk Cumhuriyetlerine
yardim ve yatirimlar konusunda Avrupa Bankasi'nin Turkiye'ye bir fon
ayirmasi konusunda da soz aldi.  (Meydan)



SPOR:

Sariyer Balkan Sampiyonu. (En buyuk yine de Cimbom --), Mustafa)
Romen rakibi Galati onunde ustun oynayan lacivert beyazli takim
Mecnun'un goluyle galip geldi ve 24 yil aradan sonra Balkan Kupasi'ni
ulkemize getirdi.  Erdi'nin direkten donen sutunu Gaydas bos kaleye
gonderemedi.  (Milliyet)

Fenerbahce'nin eski kalecisi Toni Schumacher, "JUBILE MACI" nedeniyle
Almanya'da duzenledigi basin toplantisinda Turklere ovgu yagdirdi.
Iste Toni'nin sozleri: "Buradan Turkiye'ye gitmeden once buyuk sorunlar-
la karsilasacagimizi sandik. Ancak ilk gunden itibaren yanildik, cunku
olar, bizi sanki kendilerinden biri olarak gorduler. Yabanciligimizi 
dahi hissettirmediler. Bu nedenla asla Turk'lere laf soyletmem arkadas.
(Eyvallah babo, agzin dert gormesin !!!!!, Mustafa). Ben ve ailem
Turkiye'de gordugumuz ilgiyi dunyanin hicbir ulkesinde gormedik.
Ayrilmak cok zor oldu. Buradaki yabanci dusmanligi bizi cok sasirtti.
Artik ben burada Turklerin sesi olacagim" .  (Hurriyet)

Bir soru : (Benden) Bu adamin kacinci JUBILESI yahu ?

****************************************************    


Bu gunluk de bu kadar

Herkese iyi gunler,

Mustafa POLAT
University of Toronto




Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: timur@utkvx4.utk.edu (Timur)
Subject: A poem by Mehmet Akif ERSOY: The Secret of Progress
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:14:00 GMT

THE SECRET OF PROGRESS

I have spent years wandering in the East,
And I've seen much - not merely idled past!
Arabs, Persians and Tartars, I have seen
All the components of the Moslem world.
I've looked into the souls of little men,
And scrutinized great men's philosophies.
Then, too, what caused the Japanese ascent?
What was their secret? This I wished to learn.
These many journeys, this far-reaching search
Led to a single article of faith.
It's this -
             Do not go far for such a quest,
The secret of your progress lies in you.
A nation's rise comes from within itself,
To imitate does not ensure success.
Absorb the art, the science of the West,
And speed your efforts to achieve those ends,
For without them one can no longer live,
For art and science have no native land.
But bear in mind the warning that I give:
When reaching through the eras of reform,
Let your essential nature be your guide - 
There's no hope of salvation otherwise.

Mehmet Akif ERSOY (1873-1936)

Trans: Nermin Menemencioglu
From: polat@bullet.ecf (POLAT  Mustafa Bilal)
Subject: Haber (3 Nisan)
Originator: polat@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:33:56 GMT


Merhabalar;

3 Nisan tarihli Cumhuriyet ve Sabah gazetelerinden birer.  iyi okumalar.

********************************

Devlet bakani Mehmet Kahraman, Insan Haklari Bakanligi'nin kurulus 
yasasini TBMM'ye sundu.
Demokrasi paketinde ilk adim.
Secim, basin, ceza, sIkI yonetim, olaganustu hal,terorle mucadele, polis 
gorev ve yetki yasalari, toplanti ve dernek kurma hakki yeniden duzenle-
necek.Snasur ve surgunle ilgili duzenlemeler kaldirilacak. Etnik, kultu-
rel ve dile iliskin yasal ve fiili sinirlamalar Paris Sarti'na uygun hale
getirilecek.  Insan haklarinin arastirilmasini engelleyenler teshir edile-
cek.  Insan Haklarindan sorumlu devlet bakani Kahraman, hukumetin, demok-
ratiklesme hedefini gerceklestirecegini soyledi. Kahraman, "hukuk sistemi-   
mizde demokratik ilkelere ve insan temel hak ve hurriyetlerine sinirlama
getiren hukum ve yapilanmalar degistirilecektir" dedi. (Cumhuriyet)


Meclis baskani Cindoruk, Anayasa degisiklikleri icin zeminin uygun olmadi-
gini soyledi.  Cindoruk, "Anayasa icin bir uzlasma ortami henuz olusmamis,
once demokratiklesme yolundaki yasal duzenlemeler yapilmali " dedi.
Cindoruk, anayasa degisikliklerinin, bu yasama yilinin sonuna kadar yapila-
cak yasal duzenlemelerden sonra gundeme getirilmesini onerdi ve bunun da 
Eylul ayindan sonra gerceklesebilecegini soyledi. (Sabah)

********************************** 

Yorum : Hadi hayirlisi.. ( Bu da benden)


Herkese iyi gunler,

Mustafa POLAT
University of Toronto
     .
From: camas@trooa.enet.dec.com (Yuksel Camas)
Subject: ASSASSINATION OF THE TURKISH DIPLOMAT IN GREECE
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  9 APR 92 17:05:54    



	Last October, Cetin Gorgu, the press attache at the Turkish 
	embassy in Athens, was shot four times after he entered his 
	car outside his home in the Pangrati district. He was pronounced 
	dead at the scene.

	Did Greek police find any suspects? How is the investigation 
	going on? What are the recent developments on the case? 

	Or is it forgotten?

	Just wondering...

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Facts 'Gav*0' Never Learned In Greece: Genocide Of 2.5 Million Turks.
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:03:00 GMT



<22041523343807@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>There werent any sources like that... some did in fact exist,
>but they contained no articles at the pages they were listing
>as evidence, they contained no such articles in the book. Period!
 
Just think how much calmer you will feel next time you find
the following reference; think how your stress-o-meter will 
go down when you visit a library, 'Gav*0.'

"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as 
 ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work 
 of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. 
 Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts 
 into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable 
 and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets 
 completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They 
 found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border 
 into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole 
 length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to 
 Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain 
 plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of 
 Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for 
 howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the 
 scattered bones of the dead." 

                             Ohanus Appressian
                                March, 1924
                            "Men Are Like That"
                                   p. 202.

                  (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:4099 rec.scuba:2020
From: johnnyb@mack.uit.no (Johnny Bakkevold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,rec.scuba
Subject: Diving and other hints - Turkey
Keywords: diving,turkey
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

Hi!  My girlfriend and I are planning (actually have already paid) this
years vacation in the western areas of Turkey.  Our hotel is in Foca 
but we will be driving around to see whats worth to see - by rental car
or by bus.  We prefer to go without the guides and a flock of other
tourists around us.

Since I'm a diver I would like to dive (my girlfriend doesn't) and I
would be thankful for info about diving-clubs (I'm a member in our
local student-diving-club) and good diving-centers, equipment rental
and prices...  etc etc

Other things of interest are the cheapest hire-cars, sightseeing, local
food, things we *not* should do, good advices - anything YOU think we
might need.  We arrive in the first week of june.

BTW. This is my second request...

Thanks in advance
-- 
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