HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: Question #2 "Are Macintosh Users Really Happy?"
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:00:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.212216.13347@csi.on.ca>, richard@csi.on.ca (Richard
Martin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.004009.10542@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>kocks@jessica.stanford.edu (Peter Kocks) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug6.143640.17193@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny
>Borders) writes:
>>a lowly Mac Classic with a 68000
>>which came out in what, 1980, can do it in half the time.
>>--Peter Kocks
>>  kocks@chemistry.stanford.edu
>
>I _think_ that the first Macs came out in 1984.
>There was a really big ad campaign about breaking
>free of Big Brother (IBM) etc.  I was 8.  I don't
>know why I would remember, and not you.
>Richard.

Of course, since I have a Mac, I have a QuickTime movie of this. I guess
other platform users have to settle for pictures of the first ads
introducing their machines.

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: m@crito (M Carling)
Subject: Re: political propaganda in tag lines
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:14:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205616.13076@csi.on.ca> richard@csi.on.ca (Richard  
Martin) writes:
> Who's going to define what's political propaganda and what isn't?
> Even worse, the actions put forward in that .sig are openly
> illegal and antisocial.  The only criteria should be the law.

That was the argument put forth by Herman Goering at the Nuernberg  
tribunals in defense of the atrocities: that the socialists had violated  
no law. But law is not limited to that which is made by man. Such man-made  
law is called positive law. Natural law, on the other hand (which  
proscribes killing the innocent), is the basis of the Declaration of  
Independence, the abolition of slavery, and the Nuernberg tribunals, and  
is, ultimately, the only intellectual foundation on which human freedom  
rests.

M Carling
--
Save a child, shoot a drug dealer.
Save a thousand, shoot an abortionist.
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Summary of Crandall's presentation at BANG Meeting
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:22:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.171349.13077@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) writes:
> 
> 
> Quite unfortunately I was unable to attend the BANG meeting (Stanford)
> last night. Did Dr. Crandall have anything interesting to say about
> "Fractal Boundaries Between Disciplines"?

Questions about BANG should be directed to info@BANG.org.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Question #3 "Display PostScript--so what?"
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:53:50 GMT


[Much discussion about TrueType on PostScript printers]

Okay, here's what *really* goes on. :-)

1) If you have a LaserWriter IIg or IIf, fine.  It has
TrueType support built in.  TrueType font programs will,
depending on the level of hinting in the font, print at
about the same speed as Type 1 font programs to slightly
slower.

2) If you have a 68000/020 based Level 1 printer, the
driver will download machine code to do the fonts.  Spedd
will be quite a bit slowed than the corresponding Type
1 fonts.

3) You have a non-68000 printer (or any printer without
the hidden cexec operator) - the TrueType font is turned
into a Type 3 font.  Speed will be quite slow here.  I
believe there is also a quality difference here (because
hinting might get tossed away for performance reasons)
but I'm not sure.

In general, TrueType fonts will take up more printer RAM.
A font in the TrueType format tends to be bigger and
slower than the corresponding Type 1 font program.
Quality at multiple resolutions (printing the same font
at 72, 96, 113, 244, 300, 360, 600 dpi) and
transformations (especially rotations) can be a problem,
but most people won't be able to see the difference from
the Type 1 counterpart.

TrueType served/serves it's purpose; it got our butts
moving here (I and few others put a lot of overtime in
on the first ATM), and it's a great low-end solution for
removing jaggies from office memos (which is what Apple
positions it as).

As to the number of installations, count up the number
of System 7's and Windows 3.1, compare that with OS/2,
plus ATM shiments, plus all the bundles (including all
Windows 3.1 copies that go through Ingram), and the
numbers are just about dead even.

Scott Byer                                   NeXTMail: byer@adobe.com
Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
Mountain View, CA 94039-7900             the opinions of my employer.
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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:51:25 GMT

In the September's issue of Byte, Tom Yager and Ben Smith give an excellent
(IMHO) story about prognoses of the struggle of Unix and Windows NT.
In many places they mention NeXTSTEP and even quote statements of Avadis
Tevanian.

A few samples:
     "The NeXT machine provides a shining example of Unix with highly
      integrated graphics."

     "The NeXT computer, though not a best-seller, has proved that the concept
      of invisible Unix is a viable one and that graphical workstations can
      be safely placed on the desks of general users." (according to Tevanian
      it is the only way to "get up to the millions of units")

     "NeXT doesn't mind striking out on its own [the PC world]. It's bringing
      NeXTSTEP, based on Carnegie Mellon University's Mach kernel, to Intel-
      based systems in an attempt to capitalize more on the fervor over Windows
      than on any renewed interest in Unix."

     "NeXTSTEP uses heavy shading, floating menue, and animated icons to
      achieve its glossy twenty-first-century look."
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The table illustrating the GUIs, has 3 examples: at the bottom the Windows NT,
in the middle the SVR4.2's OSF/Motif, and at the top the NeXTSTEP, already
from 3.0 version.

The analysis shows also the strong potential of the SVR4.2 included in the
USL (Unix Software Laboratories) & Univel offering.

The conclusion: "Unix has a rich history. If the new pack of Unix vendors can
keep from bickering among themselves, Microsoft will face a strong competitor
of NT."

Amen.

	-Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson)
Subject: Re: Can you puntuate? (was Re: journalistic integrity)
Reply-To: drew@fnbc.com
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:12:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.173549.25753@glv.uucp> jcelam@confused (James Clifton  
Elam) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug10.220339.1064@nextworld.com> kdyer (Kristin Dyer) writes:
> > you have picked the number one way to infuriate a journalist.
> I suspect the number one way to infuriate a journalism teacher would be to
> forget basic rules of puntuation, sentance construction, and (gasp)
                        ^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^
> punctuation (like capitalization). (1/2 :-0)

Jeez, dude, don't forget spelling!  Flaming someone on literacy and including  
multiple misspellings kinda leaves your fly open, doesn't it?

[Rest of Cliff's post deleted - I'm staying out of that part]

   for (i = 0; i < INT_MAX; i++)
     printf(":-) ");
--
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
|        Drew  Davidson          | The perfect development team:             |
|         Software Guy           | One person paid per line of code written  |
| First National Bank of Chicago | and another paid per line of code removed |
|     drew@fnbc.com  (NeXTmail)  |                     - Frank Mitchell      |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: journalistic integrity
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:19:57 GMT
Reply-To: glenn@rightbrain.com
Distribution: na

Kristin Dyer writes
> John Robison writes
> Reviews are written to get advertisers (and perhaps inform the  
> readers). 
>         
> you have picked the number one way to infuriate a journalist.

> reviews are *not* written to get advertisers, much to our ad sales reps  
> chagrin.

As a major advertiser in NeXTWORLD, I definitely have to side with
Ms. Dyer.  We've gotten some very mixed reviews of our products, and
we don't even get to see the reviews before the editions come out.
Sometimes we're not even told ahead of time that the reviews are being
written, or what the schedule might be.  The reviews are certainly
scheduled with no relation whatsoever to our advertising schedule,
except when they coincide with a product release of some kind, when it
sort of happens naturally.

I have no idea what goes on inside a magazine or the relationship between
editorial and advertising, but I can assure you that no one has mentioned
anything to us about reviews in relation to advertising.  They certainly
ask us to advertise, but they don't bait it with reviews or anything else.

Just thought I'd toss in my two cents' worth.

--
 Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
 RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
 Palo Alto, California
From: gvw@epcc.ed.ac.uk (Greg Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: PD Info wanted
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:00:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre

(I figure this is probably the best place to get help with this ---
apologies if I've picked the wrong forum.) I am looking for a good
public domain (reproducible, modifiable) description of Objective C,
preferably with lots of tutorials, examples, etc.  Any assistance would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

 ========================================================================
  Gregory V. Wilson                    ||  For in much wisdom is much
  Technical Coordinator                ||  grief; and he that increaseth
  Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre  ||  knowledge, increaseth sorrow.
  gvw@epcc.edinburgh.ac.uk             ||               - Ecclesiastes
 ========================================================================
From: richard@csi.on.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments
Keywords: NeXTs, envy, green, jealousy, sick, DOS, UNIX
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:44:40 GMT

Gee, I wish I had a NeXT.
<sniff>

Richard.
From: kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: bang contact
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:16:10 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

About contacting bang. I sent mail to info@bang.org about 6 days ago
and haven't gotten any response.  I'd like to join but I can't get any
info.  Could some bang member tell me how to contact them?

thanks,

nick
kline@cs.arizona.edu


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From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer)
Subject: NeXT in CNN story
Keywords: NeXT, CNN
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:39:08 GMT

This morning on CNN Headline News there was an interview with some type of  
weather person who had a NeXT color monitor on his desk. While he is  
speaking you can see it off to the side; there are a bunch of icons all  
over the screen, and some windows with color weather maps in them. Then  
the camera showed a close up of the weather images on the screen.

MJG
NeXTmail preferred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: spagiola@amy5.stanford.edu (Stefano P. Pagiola)
Subject: Re: journalistic integrity
Reply-To: spagiola@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:25:52 GMT

John Robison writes
> Reviews are written to get advertisers (and perhaps inform the  
> readers). 
>         
> Look at MacUser, MacWorld, NeXTWorld. 
>         
> If there is a hard drive review section, there are *tons* of
> hard drive ads. Likewise for Word processing reviews,
> spreadsheet reviews, backup software reviews, etc.
>

That's hardly proof of conspiracy.  Its common for mags that are  
planning a special issue on something to inform advertisers that sell  
that something that they might be particularly interested in  
advertising in that issue since readers will be thinking about it.

--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@leland.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware
From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: NeXT won't let us upgrade cubes to turbos?
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:00:01 GMT

Wait a minute, I'm confused.

A friend of mine just phoned NeXT, and after a four+ person runaround  
found out that NeXT won't sell 040/33 'cubic' motherboards.  They "aren't  
listed as a part" in any catalog, and the only way to acquire one is  
through a service department.  They cost $2700, purportedly cost (NOT?).   
No academic or developer discounts - and that doesn't include the memory  
upgrades if you've got a sufficiently old system.

There is undoubtedly (I know of a few) some number of folks who blew off  
the 040/25 cube upgrade waiting to leapfrog (I know I thought of it).   
Alas, it appears that the 040/33 (upgradable to the nitro supposedly with  
just a chip swap) will be the last cubic beast.  Why won't NeXT sell this  
as an upgrade?  While this will undoubtedly be a low-volume item, NeXT has  
a CAPTIVE MARKET!  The cube is supposedly disappearing, so this is their  
LAST CHANCE to move to a usable box.

Anybody know what's up?  Please excuse and point out if I've got bad data.

Shawn Broderick
shawn@monitor.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther)
Subject: NRW prototype demo?
Reply-To: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther)
Organization: sydney university
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:22:22 GMT

I was flicking through the 'open systems review' local trade rag and sun 
propaganda outlet, and saw a reference to NeXT demonstrating a '50-60 mips'
workstation based on the 88110. Has anyone else heard of this?

ALSO: Beyond 2000 (pereinal whiz-bang science TV show down here) had a special
on computer technology this week. I caught the last bit, and NeXT was plastered
all over it. Funny really, seeing that you can't buy the things down here.
Apparently they also had a demo of the Newton, but i missed that bit.
	james
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NeXT won't let us upgrade cubes to turbos?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:49:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.220820.4758@leland.Stanford.EDU> I wrote:
> Hardware Product Marketing is comprised of only  
> two people...

I was mistaken. There are three plus an AA.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
Dan Quayle needs a new running mate.
George Bush undermines his chances of being re-elected Vice President.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: pitre@n5160d.nrl.navy.mil (Richard Pitre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: political propaganda in tag lines
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:12:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.205616.13076@csi.on.ca> richard@csi.on.ca (Richard  
Martin) writes:
> Who's going to define what's political propaganda and what isn't?
> Even worse, the actions put forward in that .sig are openly
> illegal and antisocial.  The only criteria should be the law.
> If you want to look tasteless, that's your choice.  It's quite
> easy to ignore somebody.
> Richard.

I don't think the issue is tastlessness and I think that it is important  
to ask people to consider being considerate, even if there is no relevant  
law on the books. The issue is mutual respect and consideration so that  
more restrictive legislation and legal definitions never become necessary.  
If it is necessary to keep making laws to protect people from one another  
in every conceivable interaction, then its time to beam up.

Because we are social creatures, it isn't necessarily easy to ignore  
someone . Deliberately posting articles and inserting your unrelated  
personal opinion of life the universe and everything in all of them is  
certainly legal. It also suggests that the poster person doesn't feel  
comfortable about directly engaging people in a mutual exchange of ideas.  
If someone has a great idea and they think that I should know about it,  
then why not present it to me directly. If someone is afraid that they  
can't support their ideas in an open discussion then they might consider a  
direct appeal to people who agree with them. This latter approach leads,  
inevitably, to  meetings of great minds.

- Richard
From: rolfe@w3vh.UUCP (Rolfe Tessem)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments (rtf)
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 22:20:19 GMT
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions

maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu writes in article <BtAtz9.Asn@spock.dis.cccd.edu>:

(Much NeXT-Mac debate deleted)

> Its a bummer to think that some of us are paying $20+ a month for internet
> access and get the privilege of monitoring such sillines and even more of 
> a bummer when it gets responded to.

Its a bummer to think that some of us are only paying $20 a month for
internet access.  How did you arrange this deal of the century?

--
Rolfe Tessem               Lucky Duck Productions
rolfe@w3vh.UUCP            17 St. Luke's Place, NYC, NY 10014
rolfe@ldp.com              212-463-0029
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From: dursi@clavius.stmarys.ca (Jonathan Dursi)
Subject: even More NeXT sightings (Was: Re: NeXT in CNN story)
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:48:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.133908.28258@news.nd.edu> matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew  
J. Grismer) writes:
> This morning on CNN Headline News there was an interview with some type of  
> weather person who had a NeXT color monitor on his desk.

In this month's Computer Design, there's an article on DSPs and 
multiprocessing, and a NeXT monitor is shown in a picture with the
author.  No mention (unless I missed it) of the NeXT in the article,
but there's the monitor, with what looks like any App they could
find that displayed a wave of any sort running...

-Jonathan
--
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Jonathan Dursi               |  "Never attribute to malice 
Programmer, Physics Dept.    |   what can adequately be explained 
dursi@Clavius.StMarys.CA     |   by stupidity."  - Hanlon's Razor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: Poll results Re: "NeXT Developer Marketing Programs"  : -)
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:00:53 GMT

In article <845@rtbrain.rightbrain.com>, glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) 
writes:
	[...material deleted...]
> My own opinion is that we're collectively reaching critical mass in the
> third-party software arena, and when we reach it, the world is going to
> renew its interest in the NeXT as a high-end Mac/PC, and will surprise
> NeXT with strong sales that have nothing to do with custom applications.
> Expect NeXT to then revise its marketing strategy again to once again
> encompass dealers, end users, Mac and PC owners.
	You may be right and I hope so.
> NeXTstep 486 will also help enormously.
	I don't think so.  I think NeXTSTEP 486 is a dead end.  I believe
	MicroSoft's NT is an irresistable force.  While I feel that the
	Windows portion of the product is inferior to NeXTSTEP, the underlying
	operating system looks quite good.  In fact, it's good enough to port
	NeXTSTEP to.  Now if NeXT really wants to do its developers a favor,
	that's my recommendation.  Port NeXTSTEP to NT and give NeXTSTEP
	developers an almost immediate market of hundreds of thousands
	platforms.  Let Windows applications run side-by-side with Windows
	applications and let the better GUI win.

	This is consistent with NeXT being a "software company that just
	happens to build great hardware."  In fact, however, it still provides
	an opportunity to build (and seriously sell) great hardware.  Let
	NeXT produce (black) NT machines like popcorn out of their robotized 
	factory.

	For those concerned that anything from MicroSoft must be tainted by the
	curse of PEE CEE DOS, it appears that NT is a real quality product with
	the key features needed to host NeXTSTEP.

	[...material deleted...]

	c.f.waltrip
	Internet:	<waltrip@capsrv.jhuapl.edu>
	Opinions expressed are my own.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Poll results Re: "NeXT Developer Marketing Programs"  : -)
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:43:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cube.1992Aug16.144312.12085
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <1992Aug16.061316.4556@tetrasoft.com> Joseph R. Grace  
<jgrace@TetraSoft.com> writes:
> Anyway, that's the view from this NeRD.  I am sorry, I have no better news  
(for  
> NeXT or NeXT developers).  Let's wish this problem is an isolated mistake by  
> NeXT, and that NeXT and its developers prosper despite it all.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> = Joe =
> 
> p.s., thanks for your participation!
> -- 
> Joe Grace <jgrace@TetraSoft.com>
> TetraSoft International   Business and Personal Productivity Tools for  
NeXTSTEP

In my opinion (only), this sort of incident will continue as long as the focus  
at NeXT is mission-critical apps.  NeXT spend maybe a year or so trying to  
develop the market in general, pushing developers to create the apps that will  
make NeXT great in the market.  NeXT got tired of waiting, and has now changed  
it's focus.  Developers, independent and small, anyway, are not needed in the  
current picture.

This is my personal observation of the way things seem to be only, I do not  
mean to defend NeXT.

Jim
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: political propaganda in tag lines
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.211433.18234@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito (M Carling)  
writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.205616.13076@csi.on.ca> richard@csi.on.ca (Richard  
> Martin) writes:
> > Who's going to define what's political propaganda and what isn't?
> > Even worse, the actions put forward in that .sig are openly
> > illegal and antisocial.  The only criteria should be the law.
> 
> That was the argument put forth by Herman Goering at the Nuernberg  
> tribunals in defense of the atrocities: that the socialists had violated  
> no law. But law is not limited to that which is made by man. Such man-made  
> law is called positive law. Natural law, on the other hand (which  
> proscribes killing the innocent), is the basis of the Declaration of  
> Independence, the abolition of slavery, and the Nuernberg tribunals, and  
> is, ultimately, the only intellectual foundation on which human freedom  
> rests.
> 
> M Carling
> --
> Save a child, shoot a drug dealer.
> Save a thousand, shoot an abortionist.

TAKE THIS DEBATE, AND THIS INFLAMMATORY .SIG OFF THIS GROUP TO ONE OF THE ALTs  
WHERE IT BELONGS!!  I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS ISSUE DEBATED IN THE COMP GROUPS.  

IT DOES NOT BELONG HERE!!  DO YOU UNDERSTAND???

note NO smiley, I'm SICK of it.

Jim
--
Save a newsgroup, shoot a self-serving political message poster.
From: GautierA@vm1.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: NeXT laser printer 400 dpi & envelopes
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:24:48 GMT
Reply-To: GautierA@vm1.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier)
Organization: Universite Laval

>  is it possible to run a standard business size envelope through the NeXT  
laser  
>  printer?  anybody tried it?  any suggestions?

 I did, it works. Dunno if it is good for the printer, though.