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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:21:17 GMT

sm> Stephen McIntyre

sm> Citizens become more susceptable to propaganda precisely because they lack
sm> a good education.

  Actually, intellectuals are no less susceptible to propaganda than the "un-
  washed masses". Hitler enjoyed considerable support among the German intel-
  lectual elite, and when one reads what American intellectuals wrote about
  Stalin during the 1930s, it's pretty obvious that merely being "educated"
  is no safeguard against totalitarians and their lies.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: diaz@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Rafael Diaz)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:36:15 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug11132525@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:

>        AUTHOR: Steven, Stewart, 1937-
>         TITLE: The spymasters of Israel / Stewart Steven.
>     PUB. INFO: New York : Macmillan, c1980.
>   DESCRIPTION: xxi, 329 p., [4] leaves of plates : ill. ; 24 cm.
>
>According to Steven, the attack on the Liberty was by no means a
>mistake.  (I know that has been hashed out on the net already, but go
>on.)  The Israelis had been intercepting radio transmissions from
>Cairo and rebroadcasting them to Jordan in a modified form, making the
>war news sound like Egypt was winning.  This was an obvious attempt to
>lure Jordan into the war, which succeeded.  The Liberty was listening
>in on this, and the Americans found out what the Israelis were up to,
>and told the Israelis as much.  With the Israeli deception unmasked,
>the Israelis didn't want any other secrets snooped on, and felt forced
>to bomb the USS Liberty (after asking that it be removed, and seeing
>that it wasn't moving).
>--

	As a child in Tel-Aviv during the early days of the  6-Days-War, 
my family watched television broadcasts from Cairo showing in vivid 
(black-and-white) graphics the advances of the Egyptian army from the
Mediterranean sea, towards the coastal-way of Tel-Aviv, cutting Israel
in several central areas.

	To me and my family it was a "comedy-show", since here we are,
sitting in Tel-Aviv, and seeing utter rubbish on Egyptian T.V.

	Your point (vs. Steven, Stewart, 1937) , that "Israelis had 
been intercepting radio transmissions from Cairo and rebroadcasting 
them to Jordan in a modified form, luring Jordan into the conflict
and...." is really too much. 

	How LOW can you get? And you write this from MIT........

>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)

--Rafy

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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: More UN (was Re: Iraq renews threats against Kuwait)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:12:52 GMT

f > "Frank" (Robin Collins)
gs> Gary Strand

f > Please explain how are "individual rights" defended by one country (the US)
f > or a handful of countries (the security council) dictating what the rest of
f > the world can do?

  Actually, you ought to defend the notion that a group of countries has the
  right to push one country around.

f > It is not surprising that you "have no problem" with the dictate of one
f > country, but the question is how you can claim that this dictate is in any
f > sense democratic.

  Exactly. I also have no problem with one person dictating his desire to live
  to a group of people wishing to lynch him.

f > I'm sure you would rather have an international forum disappear than have
f > the rule of one country or an elite group of them get away with anything
f > they want without criticism.

  Who said that the UN was the only possible forum for criticism? Besides, the
  UN is becoming more than just a forum for criticism. Too many people want to
  see it expanded to become some sort of world government. No thanks!

f > But the question really is whether you claimed the massacre in the Gulf 
f > was an international action because the "UN" authorized it or whether 
f > you agreed that the General Assembly never had any input into the military
f > slaughter than followed the over-riding of sanctions.  Do you remember
f > where you stood that far back?

  Whether or not the UN is involved doesn't really matter one whit. Basically,
  the countries that wanted Hussein out of Kuwait used the UN as a means to
  dress up and legitimize their desires, but as far as I'm concerned, their
  actions didn't change the moral question of what was done during the Gulf
  War at all. Basically, a massacre under UN auspices is still a massacre, 
  a good military action without UN involvement is still good.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:5655 alt.politics.clinton:2056
From: CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil (CINCLANTFLT PAO)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Navy News Service Headlines - 14 Aug 92
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:09:57 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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     TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR NAVNEWS 033/92
A. Top News and Policy Stories
     A1. OPNAV Staffs Begin Reorganization Process
     A2. EAGER MACE Gets International Attention 
     A3. Sexual Harassment Training Stand Downs Occur Fleetwide
     A4. Notable Quotable:  Under Secretary of the Navy Dan Howard
B. Around the Fleet
     B1. Two Die in EAGER MACE Aircraft Crash
     B2. Two of Navy's Oldest Ships Retire
     B3. Philippine President Visits Subic U.S. Facility
     B4. Navy Acts as Ambassadors of Goodwill
     B5. The Navy Today
     B6. New York City Welcomes USS Clifton Sprague
     B7. This Week in the Navy:  Aug. 24, 1942 
C. Short Splices      
     C1. NNS Editor's Note
     C2. Flag and General Officer Announcements 
     C3. Navy News This Week 
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.guns,alt.activism
From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!
Organization: UUMEME Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:15:18 GMT

Now, I wonder where people get the idea that we have more violent crime than a
all of Europe PUT TOGETHER? Many times I've seen posts stating the above, yet..
it ain't so! True, we *do* have more than any one European country, BUT!!
We ALSO happen to have several times the POPUATION of any single such country!
Statistics are a fine thing, but they MUST be quoted in context to have any
accuracy whatsoever... getcher facts straight, people!

Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: slansky_doug@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Party Platform Statements
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:20:32 GMT

I am looking for a source which publishes, in whole or in part, the platform
statements from both the Democratic and Republican party conventions.  I would
like the opportunity to examine the documents myself, since I never know what
the media is presenting, quoted material, interpretations, or whatever...

Thanks,

Doug
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:5587 soc.culture.yugoslavia:7912
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: More Sarajevo notes
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:13:39 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <12AUG199221570952@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
> Still not much has been published in the way of pictures
> of the alleged destruction of Sarajevo. There are two possible
> reasons for this:
> 
> 1. There is no destruction, after all; to some degree or other,
>    it's a hoax.
> 
> 2. There is destruction, but the media are waiting to release
>    pictures to coincide with some event in the offing.

	You forgot 3) Your just not looking hard enough, or you are unwilling
to accept evidence you do see.

	I see pics of Sarajevo every night on the news.  They've been in the
paper often.  Today's paper carrier the headline:

	SERBS ROUT THOUSANDS: UN decires eviction of Muslims

> Those familiar with my other postings will know that I've
> favored (1), but it's worth considering (2) in the light of all
> the talk about the expected UN resolution to use force to
> protect their relief effort. The deployment of troops, including
> Americans, to carry out this resolution could be the event for
> which they're waiting. In either case, such news management
> would be easy to bring off because the public, not able to
> imagine who could benefit from the ploy, would never recognize
> that it was happening. 

	Reaching a bit, aren't we?

	There's no reason it even has to be the US that goes in.

> Speaking of American troops, I read that a general told
> Congress yesterday that 
> 
>   "...it may be one of the prerequisites for that 
>   happening successfully [i.e. deployment of troops]
>   is to build a permissive environment [in Bosnia] through
>   political and diplomatic action."
> 
> I can just hear him at his =next= meeting with Congress,
> when it's demanded of him that he explain what he was
> talking about: "Senator, I meant to say that we cannot
> risk the use of FORCE until PEACE comes to the area!

	He meant that he cannot insert troops until a zone of safety appears. 
Inserting troops into a hostile environment gets them killed very quickly.

Brett                                                      
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From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.desert-storm,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: U.S. "TO PROVOKE IRAQ" on MONDAY
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:40:28 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <l92kj8INNf5n@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:
>|> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Topic 31        -> U.S. TO PROVOKE IRAQ MONDAY <-       2 responses 
>|> 
>|> How does it feel to be consistantly wrong?
>|> 
>|> 
>Since it was a White House leak, I can live with it.



Most important. The trial balloon was floated, too many smart people said
that bombing women and children during the Republican Convention would
be too obvious, and Bush pulled out his pee-shooter to knock the balloon
down. Then, of course, he blamed the media for doing what they always do,
lie and besmirch and make things up.

Saddest of all, our fellow countrypersons who have received brain 
transplants from the likes of Rush "think with your butt" Limbaugh are
using this incident (ironically) to further their "my way or the hiway"
attitudes.

That's fine though. We have their names and during the coming purges
this information will be most useful. Remember, keep that basement well-
stocked.
								MPA
From: john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Myxomatosis
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:01:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: n7kbt.4064
Organization: Two strange people in Forest Grove, OR

According to the _Official_Guide_to_Raising_Better_Rabbits_, American Rabbit
Breeders Association, Inc. 1976, "[myxomatosis] is found only along the West
Coast, Mexico, and in South America."

From this, it sounds like the virus likes warm weather and the author has
assumed that West Coast == California.

We are in the Portland, Oregon, area and are thinking of raising rabbits.

Is myxomatosis a threat this far north?

-- 
John Opalko

john@n7kbt.rain.com  -or-  wi.5327@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bob McKay)
Subject: Re: Myxomatosis
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:55:28 GMT

ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) writes:

>john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) writes:
>>We are in the Portland, Oregon, area and are thinking of raising rabbits.
>>Is myxomatosis a threat this far north?
>Here in south east Australia we get quite heavy frosts and
>occasional snow in winter.  The rabbits keep warm in their
>burrows.  When I lived on a farm we did nothing to introduce
>the disease, but every year there were infected rabbits.

The main limiting factor is the presence of suitable insect vectors. In most
of Australia, mosquitoes do the work quite effectively, but not in some of the
coldest dryest areas, and hence, there is a fair bit of research work going 
into alternative vectors such as various species of rabbit fleas. (Oh, if
you're wondering why I'm talking about myxomatosis from the perspective of 
efficient spread, you've never seen photographs of a serious rabbit plague).
-- 
Bob McKay		   	Phone:	+61 6 268 8169	    fax: +61 6 268 8581
Dept. Computer Science		Internet:	rim@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
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From: charlesv@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Charles Van Duren)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: LA on the Tundra
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:07:55 GMT

bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:

#Funny you should mention the Edmonton Mall.  That is Edmonton, Alberta
#in Canada of course.  I have been there....impressive but.....
#I was hoping for a few more vegetation growing...especially food
#crops...on the other hand the idea of a Mall, a Giant Mall.....
#perhaps that sort of atmosphere is more psychologically comforting
#to all those born to shop, etc....It could look like a mall but
#actually be a Biosphere.

Actually a friend of mine thinks that the West Edmonton Mall (and similar
environments) were designed to teach our children to live in space colonies.
Lots of them DO seem to live at the WEM, especially in the winter.

Now if we could subtly change the video games to teach skills and
encourage behaviour aimed at promoting self-sufficiency, we'd really
have something.....

CvD
From: misterl@athena.mit.edu (Lawrence P Lubowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Chickens, chickens, and more chickens
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:49:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug20.034947.3480
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug5.083114.232@doc.bmd.trw.com> cliburn@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
>required?  How do you clean out all that chicken s**t?  With a fire hose?  How
>often?
>
>Jay Cliburn                       Jay_Cliburn@oz.bmd.trw.com
>TRW Ballistic Missiles Division
>Ogden, Utah, USA

I just read an article in Fortune (I think, or it was the Boston
Globe) how they just opened an alternative energy plant in England.
Instead of coal, they're burning chicken s**t.  Apparently, the
farmers love this idea, since their getting paid for stuff that they
had to dispose of anyway.  The owners of the plant claim that this is
a pretty efficient source of fuel.

I couldn't tell if the article was a joke, but I think they were
serious.  

Larry
--
  Larry Lubowsky         | I'm looking for a job in the Boston area.
  misterl@athena.mit.edu | Computers, Bio-electrical Eng., Medicine
			 | MIT Graduate.  Ask me for my resume.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: Earning a living in the country
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:58:41 GMT

I've been reading Mother Earth News since the late 60's and stumbled upon 
this net and, stuck as I am in Urban Hell, I am still trying to figure out...
how do you do it?  How does someone who has moved to the country earn enough
to pay for health insurance, car insurance, property tax, etc. etc. without
resorting to miserable commutes back to the nearest city?  Not to mention
paying for vet care for a sick dog, etc. etc.

How do you learn how to market your produce or meat or whatever?
Are State Ag Extension agents good sources for learning to avoid pitfalls
Are there sources of income other than, say, farming per se?  
Do you go into it with a huge wad of savings?

Those of you who have done it, how do you DO it????

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ban Gas Weedeaters
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:41:13 GMT

In <donb.713550201@crash> donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen) writes:

>Hundreds of wind plants lines the hills around the antelope Valley and 
>Palm Springs and many are not operational.  Many of the companies were in
pity i can't have a few.
bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: LA on the Tundra
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:11:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: mr.1992Aug19.111120.21978
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Something I've always wondered is:

What do you use for motor oil?  Antifreeze?  Etc?  The antifreeze bottle I
have here says it's ok down to -40 (f or c, doesn't matter at that point).
If it gets colder, what happens?


--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Subject: Re: Ban Gas Weedeaters
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:47:23 GMT

In <1992Aug12.194320.27629@btree.uucp> hale@btree.uucp (Bob Hale) writes:

>This true of *simple* 2 cycle engines such as are likely to be found
>in weedeaters and such.  There are some really elegant 2 cycle designs
>that don't emit any more crud than a 4 cycle engine would, and they
>produce twice the HP of the 4 cycle engine.  They aren't out of the
>development labs yet, to the best of my knowledge.

	The one undergoing development at GM is an Austrailian design.
It is called someething like the orbitron.  It is a 2 cycle design using
ceramics in the compustion chamber and exhaust, plastics in the intake,
and lots of aloys everywhere else.  It promises to be lightweight and
very efficent but very expensive to develop.

>One way that clean 2 cycle operation can be obtained is to pressurize
>the intake system and to use direct cylinder injection for the fuel.
>The operation of such an engine is:

	How about 4 valves per cylinder, intake pressured with a roots
blower behind an exhaust gas driven turbo charger in 2, 3, 4, 6, V-6, V-8,
and V-12 configuration with direct combustion chamber fuel injection.

	You proable cussed one out this morning for being in your way.
Detroit Diesel engines have had those configuration for years and are the
most popular heavy diesels.  Farm equipment, construction equipment, tow boats,
fishing boats, trucks, buses all use detriot diesels.  Quality problems
with the 92 series have hurt them but Penske seems to be pulling them out.

	I put a lot of miles on an 12V 73N at one time and I recently
helped fix a 6-73 in a bus.  A cousin runs a small tow boat on the Missippi.
His boat has 2 12V-92Ts.

	DonB
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Ban Gas Weedeaters
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:05:17 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Aug10.225040.29253@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:


>Instead of a 4 cyl weedeater....etc.  how about a 4 leg goat or sheep?
yea sure. can i get one to eat only what i select? can i put it away for the
winter (besides in my freezer?) can i ignore it for weeks on end? NOT!
bill pociengel
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bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: LA on the Tundra
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:58:16 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Aug17.221319.15166@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:


>I am (somewhat regrettably) the one who originated the "LA on the Tundra"
>discussion.   However it has elicited some noteworthy responses, at
>least in my view...current information about wind power, the true
>value of the tundra (not to be disturbed if at all possible), and
>the discussion of typical Alaskan architecture.
if you wish to initiate disscussion in an area then do so. but sound like
thats what your doing. use words like 'what about ...' 'suppose ....'
your posts sounded like 'IT SHOULD BE THUS AND SO !'
so yes you may have been toasted a bit but you began the entire process
by posting about the writeup of a bit of research and then heading off
to parts unknown, then coming full circle and 180 degrees from where
you started. i will promise to back up anyone who posts and thinks before they
post. i will shoot you dead in an ion storm for failing to put your brain
in gear. i expect the same (and brother do i get it :-) this is the place to 
think and find out what works and what don't. and WHY.
so next time put on the thinking cap, warm up the little grey cells. then
post.
bill pociengel
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bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Ban Gas *
Keywords: weedeaters, chainsaws and tractors oh my
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:16:09 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Aug12.133951.26763@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

>hmmm, when I was younger and had more energy, I managed fruit tree
>cultivation on .75 acre (out of 18) entirely by hand tools.  This
>was taking all weekend and one night/week.  So if I didn't work I
>should be able to farm about three acres :-(
no you could probably go 10 acres of fruit by hand. you do have 8 kids
right?

>And then there are pesticides and fertilizer runoff, really we should
>ban farms (at least small family family owned ones).
bzt. oh no you don't. what about all that crap that urban america throws on
the lawn to make it grow (so they can cut it??? duh)
at least i eat what i grow.

>Of course if  more families had 24 acres (we've expanded now that we have
>POWER tools), and grew a significant amount of their produce, pollution
>and what might not be such an issue.
ah but that'd take time from watching the tube or playing nintendo.

>I've tried.  I have recycled for over a decade.  I drive a geo metro,
>I rarely eat meat, I have lots of oxegen producing trees, I do lots
?so whats meat go to do with it? eat the goat thats been eating the lawn/weeds

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu