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From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: CD vs tape
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:46:56 GMT
Organization: Not St. Andrews University


Oops - have just looked at my last posting and the comments of later postees
and what I meant was that you sell the CD at under cost to the distributor
who puts a mark up on, and then the distributor sells it on to the big shop
and they put on a mark up (of 100%..) but the cost to the band is such that
the difference between band sale price and shop sale price is not big - and
some of my friends have remarked that in UK shops CDs range from 6 pounds
to 15 pounds(american imports) and that they would be surprised if we sell
our CDs for more than 8 pounds...which we will...because we need to recoop
costs as quickly as possible. A CD/cassette has a long life - as long
as it takes to sell them all....So though we will sell for less than  the
projected shop price it won't be a lot less! And if the shops do not sell
them they will start marking them down in price. I too have had a cassette
remaindered in woolworths.
From: gorilla@cats.ucsc.edu (Joe Mama)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Tam Lin tangent...
Date: 30 Sep 1992 20:00:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



For  those of you that are interested in the Tam Lin story,
I found a book last night called "Tam Lin". It's a novel reworking
of the original poem, with as original a copy of the lyrics as
you're going to find.

Chris

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original)
Subject: The Incredible String Band
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:13:40 GMT

I have become a big fan of The I.S.B. but would like to know more about
them than is revealed on the c.d. sleeve.
I would very greatful if someone could send me a discography of their
work , (to-gether and solo).
What other albums besides these are there (these I have already):

1 "5000 Spirits"
2 "Wee Tam "
3 "The Hangman's Beautiful  Daughter"
4 the double album "U"
5 "Liquid Acrobat As Regards Air"

I know that "The Hangman's ..." was their 3rd album , but Ive bought the
the re-issued cd's (which are only 8.99 Irish pounds) and they seem to
have released a few albums in 1968 .
I also saw in the shops a cd of recordings they made for the BBC. It's
got some stuff I don't have already and some I do.Is this worth buying 
(it's 12.99)
Thanks for any help.
                      Peter.
From: olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The Incredible String Band
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:07:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep28.210713.15921
Distribution: world
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

In article <pdlemass.717668020@unix2.tcd.ie>, pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) writes:
|> I have become a big fan of The I.S.B. but would like to know more about
|> them than is revealed on the c.d. sleeve.
|> I would very greatful if someone could send me a discography of their
|> work , (to-gether and solo).
|> What other albums besides these are there (these I have already):
|> 
|> 1 "5000 Spirits"
|> 2 "Wee Tam "
|> 3 "The Hangman's Beautiful  Daughter"
|> 4 the double album "U"
|> 5 "Liquid Acrobat As Regards Air"

Others I have are "Changing Horses" and "The Big Huge".
|> 
|> I know that "The Hangman's ..." was their 3rd album , but Ive bought the
|> the re-issued cd's (which are only 8.99 Irish pounds) and they seem to
|> have released a few albums in 1968 .

Does anyone know how/where I might acquire these in the US?  All my ISB
is on the original LPs from an excellent used record store in Northampton,
Massachusetts... certsinly authentic, but they're scratched from hell to
breakfast.

-- 
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"I get drunk, drinking Guinness with Creme de Menthe in it. It's really
bad for you."  -Shane MacGowan.
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: M. Carthy's Sweet Wivelsfield
Keywords: when was it released?
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:20:07 GMT
Organization: sometimes, but never early in the morning

Carthy tells me it was recorded in autumn 1973, released spring 1974.

Yet several printed sources list it as a December 1974 release.

Is there anybody out there who could settle this, maybe if you bought it
upon first UK release?  (Reram/Gama SML 1111)

Many thanks


-- 
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room left for the individual with a magaphone.  Everything is being brought in
line with everything else.   ERIC GOULDEN, 1990
From: deglop@louie.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (deglop)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Convention Announcement
Date: 1 Oct 1992 15:45:21 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, CWRU, Cleve. OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.eeap.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct1.021244.11637@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com writes:

>Thanks for reminding us of "Just a Little Rain" -- 
>Does anyone know if that one is recorded?I'd like to
>play it on my radio show (folk) sometime.

I like Joan Baez's version; I believe it's on one of the In Concert albums. 

-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Tam Lin Book reviews
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:30:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct2.193057.24245
Distribution: usa
Organization: I'm a student; you've got to be kidding!

In article <lcmju2INNnmg@news.bbn.com> delatizk@bbn.com (Jonathan Delatizky) writes:

>I found it overlong and quite tedious.  Only in the last 50
>pages or so is the Tam Lin connection really well developed;
>once we get there, the story becomes quite entertaining.
 
Agreed: the bulk of the book is an entertaining catalogue of college careers
and love lives, but bears little on the title poem.
Additional Oberservation 1: I'm 33 and in the college game for the second time,
but a lot of the adolescent activity in the book surely matches that I see 
around me (and my 23-year-old boyfriend agrees!). :-)
A.O. 2: The thoroughness and complexity of their English and Classical studies
puts my curriculum to shame.  I couldn't identify more than half a dozen of the
interminable quotes they threw around like spaghetti on a wall.

> ...Perhaps I'm too far from my own college days to be
>entertained by long sagas of what courses who took when,
>and with whom she studied and went to the theatre.

A.O. 3 (and this is what really ticked off my boyfriend and me - we both read
it): there were intriguing threads that could have been woven into a far more
interesting story than the one at hand, as well as being a bit more in keeping
with the original theme. What *about* those three elven lords who were actors 
in Shakespeare's company? What specifically happened in Victoria Thompson(or 
whatever her name is)'s life - and death?  The novel wound up a bit like the TV
script when the writer says, "Oh-oh - we've got three minutes to resolve this
conflict." 

Oh, well.  It was otherwise an amusing read about college life.

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From: piij@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mr ID Jennings)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Wanted: info re European folk & folk-rock
Summary: Info wanted on European folk & folk-rock music
Keywords: European, folk, rock
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:03:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Oct4.100312.14007
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

I've recently become interested in European (as in continental European
- Portugal to Urals) folk & folk-rock music, but, being a South African,
my access to info about such music is limited and my access to the music
itself is even more limited!

ANY help would be appreciated - whether it concerns bands, records to
listen to, or magazines & publications which would have such information
in them.

I am planning to do a backpacking tour of Europe next year and hope to
catch some good music of the kind that I'm unlikely to get at home -
particularly live acts.  Any advice in this regard would be greatly
appreciated!

Thanks
-- 
Ian Jennings
Philosophy Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
From: mik@hpbbi4.BBN.HP.COM (#Michele Isernia)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:44:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk

FYI,

the old double live album "Pete Seger at Carnegie Hall" is
now available on CD.

Mik
From: stevena@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: "Stand of for Judas" author & album?
Date: 26 Sep 92 04:57:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

Would anyone be kind enough to e-mail (or post) the author of
and album containing the song titled (I think) "Stand up for
Judas" (in which Judas is portrayed as politically preferable
to Jesus)?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Steven Alexander
Comp Sci grad student                           stevena@cs.berkeley.edu
& non-practicing lawyer extraordinaire
{I'm really wonderful at not practicing}
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Recorder vs. Penny Whistle question
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:10:44 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

This has really been a useful thread on recorders & penny whistles.
Two questions:

a) Is it true that Celtic music on the penny whistle requires (if it
is to be "properly" played) that you avoid tongueing entirely and keep
a steady stream of air, as if it were a pipes chanter?  And use
ornaments to produce the effect of "stopping" as on Highland &
Northumbrian pipes?

b) Is this then also the way you handle it when playing Celtic music
on a recorder?  Isn't that difficult? 
 
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From: e_splett@kaofs.enet.dec.com (Evan Splett - Ottawa)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: "Stand of for Judas" author & album?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:59:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep26.045735.12091@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, stevena@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Alexander) writes...
>Would anyone be kind enough to e-mail (or post) the author of
>and album containing the song titled (I think) "Stand up for
>Judas" 

The song was written by Leon Rosselson in England, I don't know which of his
albums it is on, but it was also recorded by Dick Gaughan on the album
"A Different Kind of Love Song" .

    Evan.
From: colm@mathcs.emory.edu (Colm Mulcahy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Tim Hardin produced by Tony Meehan?
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:05:58 GMT
Organization: sometimes, but never early in the morning



there were two LPs recorded by Hardin in the 70s produced by one time Shadows
drummer Tony Meehan. One was released, the other wasn't, though I understand 
tracks from it did surface.

what was the released LP, and on what LP did the other cuts turn up?

thanks, please email


-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In a world of mega-stores, mega-stars, mega-sales and mega-hype, there is little
room left for the individual with a magaphone.  Everything is being brought in
line with everything else.   ERIC GOULDEN, 1990
From: 6145goldino@vms.csd.mu.edu (Owen Goldin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Murray McGlauchlin
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:28:02 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 6145goldino@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu

What do folks know of Canadian singer/songwriter Murray McGlauchlin?  I saw
him on U.S. public TV in the early 70s and was very impressed.  In the late 70s
I picked up "Boulevard" for $1 in a bin of cutout LPs -- though it's more rock
than folk it is very fine, with an impressive band ("The Silver Tractors," with
a terrific fiddler) and great songs.  Last year I found for $1 a cassette
"Swinging on a Star" that's mostly countryish -- some very good stuff, some OK. 
Even the sappy songs are redeemed by the picking and ensemble playing.

Who is this guy?  Does he ever tour the states?  Why do I only find his stuff
in the bargain bins?

Owen
From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Tom Brady)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: On-Line Tour Schedules!
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:29:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Um, whoops. I guess I should have checked to be sure before I
opened my big mouth about it. The files currently available
on the server are out of date - circa August, 1992. So...Hold
off your ftp'ing until I see when they will be updated.
Sorry 'bout that...
-Tom Brady
From: ez006050@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Joan Baez - The night they drove old dixie down
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:40:14 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <s0319198.3.0@let.rug.nl> s0319198@let.rug.nl (E.B. Meijerink) writes:
>Somebody mentioned a budgetprice CD by Joan Baez which contained the song '
>The night they drove old dixie down.'. I recently bought a Joan Baez budget 
>CD which contains this song. It's 'the essential JOAN BAEZ. from the heart-
>live'. It is on A&M records and its cateloguenumber is: 397 085-2.

    I hadn't seen this yet.  A&M?  Is this a CD version of From Every Stage?

Any other Joan Baez fans out there know what is on her new album coming out
on the 7th?

								Wade
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:41:03 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: You gotta see Cheryl Wheeler

There have been several posts recently about Cheryl Wheeler and her tour
schedule.  I just saw her Saturday night (10/3) at Leb.  Valley College and
urge everyone who lives within driving distance of one of her tour stops to
take in her show.

Unfortunately, one of her speakers stopped working after about 2 songs, so
the sound was not the greatest, but she has such a beautiful, strong voice,
that you soon forgot about the technical problems.  She sang about a dozen
songs I guess, and told some great stories.  She is really funny!

She mentioned that she is working on a fourth album.  Her encore song, "When
fall comes to New England" was fantastic and I hope that it is on the new
ablum.  Her dad and sister were in the audience and she sang a song about
her father that was really touching.

The one song that I think is better recorded than live is "Estate Sale".  It
really benefits from the rhythm and backup singers on the album.  In the
program notes, Cheryl mentions that she doesn't record much of her more
"comic" material, because she doesn't think it will translate well--that
part of it's appeal is the spontaneity of the performance and the stories
she tells to introduce the songs.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to her next album.  Go see her if you have the
chance, you won't regret it!!  I think it's amazing that Suzy Boggus has
made such hits from her songs--makes you wonder about what is really important
in the music business, looks or talent.

Chris Himes
 Penn State
From: plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au (Patrick Laplagne)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Try the WATERBOYS for some folk!
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:35:11 GMT

Hi. This is just an unashamed plug for a British group called....
you guessed it, the Waterboys. They've been around since the 80s
but not everyone might know about them. They started off putting
out good-quality albums featuring music reminiscent of an electric
Dylan (one of Mike Scott's, their singer and leader, heroes). I
read somewhere that it was labelled "epic rock", whatever that is..
What's that got to do with folk, I hear you ask impatiently? Well,
after their third album (best-known for its "Whole of the Moon"
song), the group relocated to Ireland and started on a brand new
path or folk-oriented albums. The music was still excellent, albeit
different. There were still a few rock tunes but mainly, it was back
to fiddles, bagpipes and other such curiosities.. Mike Scott's remar-
kable diction and phrasing is still there though, very poignant in 
some cases. Anyway, there well worth checking out if you haven't done
so yet. You won't regret it. Here is the list of their albums, in
chronological order:

- Chicken Jazz
- A pagan place
- This is the sea
- Fisherman's Blues
- Room to roam.

PS: For trivia buffs, Karl Wallinger, singer and leader of World Party,
was with the Waterboys for albums two and three.


Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:6704 rec.music.makers:9960
From: wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: CD vs tape
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:54:52 GMT
Organization: Xerox
Originator: wegeng@ogre

Polling the net is interesting, but you might get a more general feel
for the market by talking to some of the larger folk music mailorder
houses.  Their sales volumes for CDs and cassettes are probably
pretty representitive of what folk music consumers would rather buy.

/Don
wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
From: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Who sang "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (is that the name?)
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I'd love to get this song.

The lyrics include the lines:   The night they drove old Dixie down,
				and all the bells were playing,
				the night they drove old Dixie down,
				and all the people were singing


The song's fairly famous, I remember hearing it on the radio.  What is the
correct title?  Who originally wrote it?  What is the name of the female 
performer who popularized it?  And what albums include it?
And is there a site that has the lyrics to the film?

Thanks, all.



-- 
Whom first, whom later         No one is fool enough to choose war instead of
did you kill in battle,        peace - in peace sons bury fathers, but in war
Patroklos, when the gods       fathers bury sons.  It must have been heaven's
were calling deathward? HOMER  will that this should happen...      HERODOTUS
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: erich@wubios.wustl.edu (Erich Schraer)
Subject: Son ar Chistr/The Cider Song
Summary: Alan Stivell, Breton folksong
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:04:08 GMT

I'm looking for the words to the Breton folksong `Son ar Chistr' (`The
Cider Song').  I have a recorded version by Alan Stivell from his first
album "Reflections" (or "Reflets"), but transcribing the Breton words
from listening is beyond my ability.  I hope that someone on one of
these newsgroups (rec.music.folk and soc.culture.celtic) either has the
words and can post them, or can give me suggestions of where to find
them.  Thanks in advance.
				--Erich
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From: dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Daniel Rosenblum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Acres of Clams
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:32:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University, Graduate School of Management, Newark, N.J.

In <Bv9qHJ.zB@world.std.com> jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
mentions that he has heard words sung to the "Acres of Clams"/"Rosin
the Bow" tune in dispraise of nuclear reactors.  That song is also
called "Acres of Clams" and is by Charlie King (of Bright Morning
Star).  It celebrates the work of the Clamshell Alliance, anti-
nuclear activists in New England.
-- 
Daniel M. Rosenblum, Assistant Professor, Quantitative Studies Area,
   Graduate School of Management, Rutgers University (Newark Campus)
ROSENBLUM@DRACO.RUTGERS.EDU                      ROSENBLUM@ZODIAC.BITnet
dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu          ...!rutgers!andromeda.rutgers.edu!dmr
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:6718 rec.music.makers:9968
From: haley@husc10.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Recording Rap Vocals
Keywords: Rap Vocals
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:44:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct1.044403.15988
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hee! I like it... Try this, get some cheap practice amps, ya knwo the
kind of stuff you have trained your eyes to ignore cause you know it
will hurt your ears, the stuff on consigment at the Music store...
Mic it normally, as if playing live, or perhaps put the amps in
another room...
If the sound is still too clean, razor blade small cuts in the
speakers of the cheap amps, for that cheap and old sound...

Other than that, try recording on a boom box...
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Mad Tom of Bedlam?
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
Organization: [none - why fight entropy?]
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:40:29 GMT

Mike Koster (mikek@ios.Convergent.COM) wrote:
>: Where might I find the words for "Mad Tom of Bedlam"? Any or all
>: versions would be interesting. Thanks,

FYI...
William Pint (of the [late lamented] Seattle groups Copperfield and
Ellipsis) once told me after I complimented him on a particularily
spooky rendition of the song in question that he had once seen and
browsed through an entire book with *nothing but* Mad Tom lyrics in it
-- a total of hundreds upon hundreds of variations. Sort of the
'National Enquirer' of its day, this ballad was.




-- 
David Ruggiero  (osiris@halcyon.com)      Seattle, WA
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The Incredible String Band
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:24:25 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: sfy@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU's message of Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:24:05 GMT

Can anyone tell me where I could obtain the CD reissues of ISB albums?

(I posted this query the other day, or so I thought, but it doesn't seem to 
have made it onto the net)

--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, silhouetted
by the sea, circled by the circus sands, with all memory and fate driven deep 
beneath the waves; let me forget about today until tomorrow"  -Bob Dylan.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: Melita L Kennedy <mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: music in Last of the Mohicans
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:28:39 GMT

I just saw the new movie, The Last of the Mohicans.  I noticed some nice
dance music and a vocal number during the movie, and so decided to check
the credits.  The song was done by Clannad.  There was also an adaption
of Dougie MacLean's The Gael by someone whose name I didn't catch, and
there was a composition/performance by Phil Cunningham.  Very good
movie, btw.

Melita Kennedy
mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk