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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Crayon stains on carpet and upholstry...
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:59:55 GMT

In article <67546@cup.portal.com> Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes:
>How do you get them out?
>
>Renee Roberts

Isn't this a FAQ??

Anyway, the sort answer is to call 1-(800)-CRAYOLA.

(I'm serious.)

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Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Fisher Price phone-can't get through
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:42:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

I got this phone number for Fisher Price: (800)432-5437.  Does anyone
know if this is right?  I've been calling for two days, and it's always
busy.  I realize that they probably get alot of calls, but even hitting
the re-dial button about 10 times doesn't get me through.

- Cindy Windham
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 09:15:08 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks for the NE Picnic!

yes, definitely!  i was going to send thank you notes, but i am a
slug (as anyone who has ever sent me mail can attest to!)  it
was wonderful, i had a LOT of fun meeting everyone, and i am just in
AWE of judy's house!  B)  i want one...

                                            -ailsa
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Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sugarbabies
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:44:01 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct9.213229.25705@midway.uchicago.edu> owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens) writes:
>

>Honey, btw, may be implicated in infant botulism, and is consequently
>not recommended for infants.  Apparently it supports the growth of
>anaerobic bacteria, in particular the producer of botulism toxin, at
>levels that, while no problem for adults, can cause problems for
>infants.

The actual mechanism of infant botulism from honey is simple. Infants
do not have as acid a stomach as adults, nor as basic a bowel. Honey
contains botulism spores which are denatured in adult guts. In infants
the spores are not denatured by the stomach acid, and move on to the
alkaline gut and 'grow out' into bacteria. These bacteria then produce
the botulism toxin and poison the child. DO NOT EVER FEED honey to
young children. The condition is not easy to diagnose, and is rapidly
fatal; some SIDs attributed deaths were found to be infant botulism.

>Is there any evidence to support the oft-repeated claim that eating an
>equivalent amount of fructose, as compared with sucrose, produces less
>of an abrupt spike in blood glucose?  I had always dismissed it, but I
>keep hearing it again and again.

The 'blood sugar spike' isn't the issue. It's the number of excess calories
and the substrate for mouth bacteria to grow on (and generate acids which
cause cavities.) Treat fructose as sugar; and remember, that fructose will
cause osmotic diarrhea in much smaller amounts than it takes to create the
same problem with table sugar.
 

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 08:42:12 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
 <1992Oct9.161548.5547@sq.sq.com>

i'm not as close to the distant age gap thing as most of the posters,
(me: 28, julia: 25, james: 24, sarah: 22) but i had a number of
friends, and one high school boyfriend, who were surprise babies
with MUCH older siblings.  they were all in effect only children,
as i recall, but then were are talking seventeen year age differences
rather than just thirteen.  one of them is quoted as saying that he
was/is closer to some of his uncles than his brother, since his
brother was out of the house before he (the younger brother) was
really old enough to be aware of him.

i don't consider this a reason not to do it, of course.  if i ever
have another, it won't be until i can afford it and am at a suitable
place in my career to make it possible.  and i graduate in december
and katy will be six on 26 Dec, soooo...  *grin*  but havign one
child while on welfare was quite enough.

                                         -ailsa
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Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Juggleing Work/parenting & in-home daycare centers
Date: 9 Oct 1992 09:49:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>Does anyone have the discussion on the pros and cons of home daycare vs
>daycare centers? Is is too much to expect that a home daycare provider 
>has done some reading or taken classes in early childhood development?

My son is in an in-home daycare, and I wouldn't have it any other way
(except I am thinking of a few months of preschool before kindergarten).

I live in PA.  Here, licensed in-home daycare caregivers are required
to take X hours of classes a year.  My "sitter" also took some child
developement classes on her own, and used to work in a day care center,
but didn't like the way they did things.  All of these things are
extremely variable, I say interview, and ask questions - no matter how
off the wall or in left field.  Sometimes the starngest questions
elicit a response that 10 other questions could never bring out in a person.

As for my reasons for in-home day care, I like the fact that it is a
"home", and huse rules are learned - stove is hot, doors crush fingers,
be nice to pets, etc.  Sure, the situation *can* be like yours,
different rules and all, but in my case, we have the same ideals.  I
interviewed her, and grew to total comfort with my decision.  After 2
/12 years, I feel she is like my sister.

She doesn't "teach", but they play games, do arts and crafts, and learn
colors, alphabet, and numbers.

I would have him no other place.  And Alex will be joining him there in
March '93, and a 6 week old.  I am totally comfortable with it.

One MAJOR rule of thumb - if at all possible **, do not leave your
child somewhere you are not comfortable with.  Intrview many, and go
back if you desire.  Anyone that doesn't understand reluctance, worry,
emotions, etc. is NOT someone you want to leave your child with. 
Understanding caregivers also are good at not telling you every little
thing that your child has begun (i.e. Firsts) unless you ask - which I
have found a bad idea to ask about.  I am more comfortable seeing a
first and thinking it is a first.  I do, however, ask if I am worried
about late development (I asked if he was rolling yet, because I hadn't
seen it.  She sadi Yes, for about a month.  Now that WAS hard).

Sorry this is so long, but it seems to fit into 2 threads, and of
course, is just my 2 pesos worth.

- -Shirl


** sometimes, emotions will not allow you to be comfortable leaving
your child anywhere.  In cases like this, be sure the uneasiness you
feel is due to *you* and not the caregiver or environment.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark)
Subject: Re: high HCG results need net wisdom again
Summary: Tests bad.  Ignorance good.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:06:52 GMT

I debated weither I should post this (Mail doesn't work).  It is probably not
of too general interest.

There was a very good reply on the net to your post.  The author pointed out
that you have to consider what you would do with the result.  If you would 
terminate a Down's syndrome fetus then perhaps you should have the test. This
decision should be based on an understanding of Down's syndrome.  
Unfortunately, I don't have any experience with it except for the people I have
met who have children with Down's and I don't want to give you second-hand 
information about them.

Remember that 1 chance in 193 is still very small.  Your chance of terminating
a healthy pregnancy with the amnio is comparable to your chance of having a 
fetus with Down's.  You don't have to have the test.  If you don't want it, 
turn it down.  People turn down tests all the time.

A possibly irrelevant annecdote:

With our first child, Mary had the AFP test.  The doctor told us that a high 
result was an indication to terminate the pregnancy.  After the test but before
we saw the results, we decided that the results were irrelevant.  A high result
really just meant that there was a slightly higher chance that the fetus had a
neural tube defect.  Of these, most would be spina bifida, a cripling but not
necesarily life ruining disease.  The rest would be anencephaly which would 
prove fatal within days of delivery.  We decided that in both cases, Mary 
would carry the child to term.  In any case, the results were normal but we
both wish that we hadn't agreed to the test.

Our position is for as little testing as possible.  We feel that the less 
irrelevant information you have the better.  We would welcome a Down's 
syndrome child into our family so knowing before hand that a fetus had Down's
wouldn't change the outcome of the pregnancy at all.  It does open the way for
a lot of worry, though.

I realize that I am fanatical in my casting off of all things medical.  I 
believe that birth in the U.S. has headed down the wrong path for many years.
I believe that pregnancy should be treated less like an illness and more like
a natural event.  There are many who do not share these viewpoints and that is
fine.

What really is important is what makes YOU more comfortable.  If you need to
know everything that you can about your fetus to be happy, then you should have
more tests.  We found that we were more content not even considering what 
problems our unborn children might have when they came out.

---Mike Stark
   for Mary Bolden
       Robbie Stark (2 years)
   and Margaret Stark (2 weeks) both born at home.


-- 
---Mike Stark                         | stark@umdhep.umd.edu
   Physics Department
   University of Maryland
   College Park, MD  20742
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  Flu Shot while Pregnant???
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:25:49 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: YES!

In article <1992Oct8.135805.5135@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, 
jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:

|> I was curious about this because I know it's the first
|> question they ask when you get a flu shot (unless you're
|> a male :-)).  I just called MedeMerge (an UrgentCare type
|> of place where they have doctors and you can go anytime
|> all day, every day with no appointment), and the nurse
|> told me that no doctor should administer a flu shot to
|> any pregnant woman because it's a live vaccine that they're
|> putting into your body.
|> 
|> There you have it. An bonafide official medical opinion
|> from New Jersey....  

And wrong, too (no offense to you, Jackie, but don't trust 
that nurse again).

The flu vaccine we're talking about is definitely a killed 
vaccine. There were some live flu vaccines in a experimental 
study down here last winter, but I haven't heard anything more 
about them.

There is no reason for a pregnant woman with asthma to not get a 
flu shot, according to the nurses at the Baylor College of Medicine 
Influenza Research Center.

If a pregnant woman gets the flu, it's much worse than for a non-
pregnant woman, and flu is extremely serious in a pregnant 
asthmatic!

I just asked the nurses at the Baylor employee Health Center about 
whether the flu shot should be avoided in the first trimester, and 
they said no, you should go for it in any case.

When I was pregnant, I called up the Influenza Research Center to 
see whether, as an employee, I could wangle a free flu shot, and 
when I mentioned that my OB said I should have it because I was 
pregnant and asthmatic, the nurse told me to come up immediately. 
Turned out she was pregnant and had asthma, too. She said she once 
had an upper respiratory infection while pregnant, and it was 
horrible. Presumably it wouldn't have been nearly so unpleasant or 
dangerous if she had not had asthma.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Xref: sparky misc.kids:25910 misc.education:3689 sci.med:19071
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:19:01 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1687ECA3E.LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU>, LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Lisa S Lewis) writes:
> I know that most doctors don't believe in "brain allergies," but I really
> have to wonder myself.

The objection is not to your contention that milk or some other
food may have an effect but to the use of the term "allergy" to
describe this reaction.  An allergy is a very specific kind of
reaction involving the immune system.  Your child's intolerance
to milk could be due to a lactase deficiency, causing him to be
unable to break down the sugar in milk, leading to diarrhea and
abdominal pain.  This has nothing to do with the immune system.
The words "allergy" and "intolerance" are not synonymous.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:26057 soc.singles:27768
From: brentaa@ac.dal.ca (brent, eh?)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:43:27 -0300
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <14974@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> |					-Brontosaur who turned out just fine.
> 
> Uh, isn't a Brontosaurus a rather large creature?  Any reason why you chose
> that psuedonym?
> 
What I lack in stature I make up for (and then some) in other areas, or
at least I like to think so...  ;-)
			-Brontosaur, who can get away with it over the net...

Xref: sparky misc.kids:25806 soc.singles:27506
From: achaulk@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Alex Chaulk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:15:22 GMT
Organization: WIN Management Services - Dayton, OH

<1av1h4INNceu@network.ucsd.edu> <1992Oct7.164651.4587@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
<1992Oct8.074136.7232@newstand.syr.edu>
Reply-To: achaulk@wtcd.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Alex Chaulk)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: WIN Management Services - Dayton, OH
Keywords: 

    [Talk about youngster not fighting]....
   
    In my experiences in fighting when growing up (quite a few), there was a
distinct difference in being non-violent vs. standing up for yourself.  I was
never under the belief that I should go out and look for trouble.  I avoided
it when I could.  But there were some instances where a fight could not have
been avoided (IMHO).  What do you do when the school bully is picking on your
twin brother?  I mean, shoving him into his locker, punching him until he
can't feel his arm, making him scared and humiliated in front of his
classmates?  What do you do when you own twin brother is getting the shit
beaten out of him by some overgrown gorilla?  I say you jump in and give that
gorilla a taste of his own medicine.  Of course being 6'3" tall, 200 lbs.
and all of 14 years old had its advantages.
    The moral of this adolescent diatribe is that there are just some times
when enough is enough and you have to stand up for yourself.  Plain and
simple.  It has nothing to do with being "non-violent" or "pacifistic" or any
of the other words used to describe this.  You can only say "Please leave me
alone!" so many times.  When it comes down to it, you have to rely on
yourself, your abilities, your senses, and your strengths to guide you through
life.  And if this means getting in a tussle or two to retain those things I
hold important, then I'll live with those odds.
    
Fow what it's worth...
Alex J.
Dayton, OH 

P.S.  Then there was last weekend when my friend got his lip split open by
some rugby players trying to throw peanuts down his friend's cleavage.  I say
that peanuts and cleavage are hardly worth getting a split lip over.  There's 
a distinct difference betweeen fighting for your honor and dignity and
fighting because you think you're tougher than the next guy.
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Brazelton on toys (long)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:22:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

As a sidelight on the toy gun issue -- we don't allow Angelica (almost
3 years old) to play with toy guns. The primary reason is that we feel that
she should not consider a gun to be a toy, and a secondary reason is that
in L.A., especially So. Central, kids with toy guns are often treated by cops 
as though they are adults with real guns. I've seen kids not much older than
Angelica up against the side of a police car for having squirt guns.

The problem is, all of her friends play with toy guns (especially the super
soaker type). She doesn't understand why, when a friend goes to share a toy 
gun with her we don't let her take it, and gets very upset. Most of the play
takes place in our yard or the neighbors' yard, which borders ours without
a fence (and their two pre-school aged kids have lots of toy guns), so we
can't really ban those toys on "our turf" because the kids consider it all one
big yard.

Aside from trying to bring her in the house whenever the toy guns come out, 
does anyone have another suggestion? We've talked to the kids and the parents
of the other kids about the dangers of toy guns, but they don't think it's any
big deal. They don't mind if we discourage their kids from playing with toy
guns, but they still purchase them for their kids. We're dealing with not
only the kids next door, but all the kids in the neighborhood (about 15 kids
ranging from age 2 to age 10) -- our house is the neighborhood playground.

Susan




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch)
Subject: NO Santa?
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:56:25 GMT




I wouldn't worry about your daughter's fantasies & imagination.  I have
two daughters, ages 11 & 13.  We had a Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and 
tooth fairy, and they eventually found out that it was just Mom.  They 
didn't feel that they had been lied to - it was explained that it's just
a tradition, and that little ones enjoy the fantasy & imagination factor.

I had the same when I was growing up.  Even in college, (or now, when we 
visit), 'Santa ' comes, fills stockings, etc., but everyone knows it's 
Mom/Nana doing it, but the fun is in the anticipation of what's going to
be in the stocking, (surprise effect), not on WHO is actually doing it.
In the stocking, they find school supplies, pencils, socks, and other 
rather ordinary things, as well as a couple pieces of fruit, candy, and
small toys or dolls, and even though they have known for a long time there's
no such thing as Santa, Bunny, etc., it's just a family tradition, and
will be as long as they're near (or by mail) on holidays.

By the way, they are both totally normal, socially developed, straight-A
students, so I can't say this tradition has *hurt* them any!  They also
help pick out items for each others' stockings, and we also (together)
make, and put together small filled stockings for our close single adult
friends, male and female, and deliver them on Christmas eve, while 
driving around looking at the lights.  It all ends up adding to the season
of giving, and has a nice ending for the previous beliefs in Santa Claus!
We also make up Easter baskets for all our friends who otherwise wouldn't
be remembered by the 'Easter Bunny'.  The kids have a blast, and it
doesn't hurt to keep some of the old world traditions alive.  With the
world the way it is today, and kids having to worry about bad guys, drugs,
thugs, and everything else out there, these traditions are harmless and
help keep part of today's kids young at heart! 



-- 
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|	Kathleen Nosbisch		Netwise, Inc.			|
|	kat@netwise.com			2477 55th Street		|
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From: rrt@mpd.tandem.com (Robert Teisberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: rrt@amadeus.UUCP (Robert Teisberg)
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Oct14.184437.2950@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>How does one impose prayer?  More likely the proposal is
>to allow prayer, we certainly can't have that!   :-0

Oh, come on!  Prayer was always allowed and still is.  In fact, if you
do it the way Jesus recommended (privately, quietly, no ostentation,
just you and God), you can pray anywhere, and no one can stop you or
will even know.

The Supreme Court never prohibited school children from praying in
school.  The Court prohibited schools from imposing prayer.  Now a
militant minority of Christians wants to reverse that decision so that
prayer can be imposed all over again (naturally they assume that the
resulting prayer would be acceptable to them; I suspect they'd sing a
different tune if a muezzin interrupted classes five times a day).

In case the disclaimer in my .signature is too obscure: my opinions,
not Tandem's.
-- 
Bob Teisberg @ Tandem Computers, Inc. | rrt@mpd.tandem.com
14231 Tandem Blvd.                    | (512) 244-8119
Austin, Texas  78728                  |
Jimmy and I have a deal.  Jimmy doesn't hack code; I don't speak for Tandem.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Is it just me, or is Richard Carlson really getting annoying with his
clinical study of misc.kidders?

Enquiring minds want to know,
Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:41:08 GMT

thacher@renbourn.unx.sas.com (Clarke Thacher) writes:
>My ten year old daughter, Sara, has had a similar problem with fitting 
>in at school and having various forms of ill treatment.  These problems
>(in various degress of severity) went on for several years.  Things seem 
>to be much better this year.
>
>She is an only child and very smart, and as a result, she is much better 
>at interacting with adults than her peers.  < stuff deleted> 

That's interesting ...two other persecuted children that I knew of were
also only children.  Is Eddie an only a child too?  Is this just a
coincidence?

diana
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles