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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:30:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct5.223009.18308
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Oct5.141300.23479@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Yes, I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all Chinese student.
>> >>> 
>> >>>     I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.
>> >>> 
>> >>	I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover ALL WORLD PEOPLE.
>> >>
>> >
>> >        You know what these guys mean?  How about this:
>> >
>> 
>> Since I believe in you, I would like to say that the following was
>> from the bottom of your heart.
>> 
>> >        I still hate the bill, unless this bill can only cover ME.
>>                                                                 ^^
>>                                  More precisely, it should be *MY faimily*.
>
>
>No!!  you miss my point.  I support this bill strongly.  From the bottom of

I thought you were joking. I oppose this bill strongly, form the bottom of
my heart too. 

>my heart I really want this bill can extend to everybody who want to live
>this country.  I believe "where to live" is also a basic human right. 
>People should have the right to chose where they want to live and that is
>the reason I came to here.  Du4 Fu3 (Tang dynasty poet) said "where I can
>find millions houses to shelter all poor CSS in the world." (an1 de2 da4
>xia4 qian1 wan4 jian1, guang3 pi4 tien1 xia4 han2 shi4 jin4 huan1 yan2).  I
>like this poet, and this is what I want to say.  Do not distort my point. 
>I support this bill "from the bottom of my heart."  O.K.  The only thing I

   Agree with you below, that is why I oppose it. 

>do not like in this bill is the tilte, if it could be changed to "Free
>Immigation Bill" that will be much better.  Don't you think
>so?

   Your suggestion would allow no priviledge for some people, that is
why lying about something and covering something become so important
in this so-called "campaign."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26743 talk.politics.china:1541
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Unzip, Electronic Book, FTP Site
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:06:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvI4rB.DHD
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <BvGx4K.p9@math.uwaterloo.ca> rzhu@math.uwaterloo.ca (Rupert Zhu) writes:
>
>I received about 8--10 messages asking for information regarding
>electronic books.  Here is a summary.
>
>
>
>Q: What is the IP number of the FTP site OAK.OAKLAND.EDU? (for electronic books)
>
>A: I don't know.  Can anyone help check it?   Thanks!
>
>


The IP address if OAK.OAKLAND.EDU is 141.210.10.117.  In fact you cat just try
to telnet to the machine, and it will tell you "Trying 141.210.10.117 ...".
That's very easy.  If you are familiar with BSD socket programming, you can 
write a program looking for the IP address from a Internet domain name.


            /|
           / |		
          /  |		Ziniu Wei
    _____/___|_____	Center of Excellence of Document Analysis (CEDAR)
   /    /    /    /	Department of Computer Science 
  /    /    /    /	State University of New York at Buffalo
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From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Poor Man
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:20:53 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In post <1asd8hINN6h8@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> (6 Oct 1992) James Ou writes,

> Okay, Lix, you beat me to it. I was busy yesterday and was going to cite
> the story of "Qi2 Ren2" to Sanyee to show him that a poor man could also
> have two wives. I wonder whether it is a crime to be poor and have two
> wives. :-)

    Sure, a poor man could have two wives.  A poor man could even enlist
The Queen as one of his wives if he was a top under-achiever :-), as some
"court secrets" say.  But what I said is that a poor man with only a wife
must have been at the bottom of the social ladder in the ancient China.  I
didn't say that men at the bottom of social ladder couldn't have more than
one wife.  Even a man was at the bottom of the society, he was still sailing
on a vast sea of poorer "Yuan4 Nuu3 (depressed woman)."  Sad, but that is
the history.

> To the misfortune of ordinary Chinese guys, "Qi2 Ren2 Zhi1 Fu2" (the
> happiness of a Qi person) was outlawed after Qing1 dynasty fell. Of course,
> QRZF remains to be legal for big shots like Chairman Mao. :-)

    I think QRZF had been legal on mainland until around 1952, when we small
male potatoes were hit hard by the new PRC marriage legislation :-).  With
the elimination of competition in the home front, all those nice qualities
Chinese women had articulated in 2,000 years disappeared in a matter of only
two generations.  Another successful Westernization story? :-)

    In another Pi3fu1-related post <9210061725.AA04680@phloem.uoregon.edu>
(6 Oct 92) Tuya writes,

>   Guo2 jia1 xing1 wang2, pi3 fu1 you3 ze2.
>   (Single men can save China)

    I see the first achievement of the SOS Education Foundation.  This time
Tuya didn't take Pi3fu1 as Ma3fu1 (horse man).  Lix's lecture (or poking
fun on Tuya :-) is working.  Though, you still didn't get it right.
According
to Lix, single man is Kuang4fu1.
 > It puzzles me why unmarried people should die first.  In terms of life
> experience, those who have married, especially those who have kids, should
> be at the top of the list, but ...

    Tuya, you look at things through a west prism again :-).  In the ancient
China, it were not "unmarried people" get drafted, it were those, who had
older netters to care their parents and keep their names alive (married and
have kids), go to war first.

    When you talk about the traditional Chinese culture, don't start from
"me," but think of the whole SCC family :-).


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Oct 1, Greencard, and others
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 14:44 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:42:00 GMT

          Oct. 1 is no more important than the day Mr. Zhu Yuan1
          Zhang1 became the president of China.  From a historical
          point of view, they are essentially events of the same
          nature.

          As a university student, I couldn't care less who the new
          president of my university is.  I am more concerned about
          the hole that just appeared in my shoe.

          I wonder what a hen would say if you tell her that
          she would lay eggs for Mr. Pretty, instead of Mr. Ugly.

          I noted a lot of friends are sending messages to the white
          house, some for the greencard, some against it.  IMHO, the
          existence of group A is always a bad news to group B, and
          vise versa, regardless if the Bill will be signed or not.

          My proposal would be to initiate two more bills: one deports
          group A from the U.S., another deports B.  I propose Mr.
          Shannon Yeh as the coordinator for both bills, and Zhao
          Haiqing the director.  No matter which one passes, it will
          ultimately benefit democracy and human rights in China for
          the group that is deported will increase the su4 zhi4 of the
          population in China.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Action-9201.appendix
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Keywords: the general CSS, those CSS, misunderstood
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:15:32 GMT
Followup-To: Protection Bill

I thought that many Chinese people in China did not understand what was 
cooking here.  But I am wrong!  Whenever I arbitrarily talk with any friend 
of mine in China, they know who those CSS are, and they know what those CSS 
are trying to do.

However, the situation is a little bit "confusing" this time: the US government
is quiet on this blood card bill; and the Chinese government is quiet, too,
on this blood card bill.  The only party who is angry toward this blood card
bill is the Chinese people such as Shannon Yeh.  The reason for the White
House to be quiet is so that they cannot see any direct benefit from granting
this bill; the reason for the Chinese government to be quiet is so that they
feel "losing-face" if they over-react to this "Chinese-sell-Chinese" case.
The reason for the Chinese people to be angry is so that they feel the justice
has been raped by those CSS, and the facts has been twisted by those CSS.

Regardless this bill will be passed or not, most of the CSS, including those
CSS, will go home someday.  By then, the Chinese PEOPLE will hate the blood
carders.  If the regular CSS do not distinct themselves from those CSS, they
will suffer when they return to China someday: who knows you did not work on 
the blood card in 1992?

So, if you did not directly support the blood card petition, I strongly 
recommend you to sign up at "blood-card@netix.com".  If you do not speak out 
your standing, you may be misunderstood in the future.

Obviuosly, upon your own discretion.

shannon
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From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: For all Chinese foreign students
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:02:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92268.50786.L677459@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L677459@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
>Message-ID: <1992Sep24.005831.20592@odin.corp.sgi.com>
>
>Of course US felt threatened if the whole korea fell into communist's
>hands. Japen could be next, ever heard of the domino theory ...
US felt threatened when Lening had the revolution. So, they should
invade Russia, should not they? They also felt threatened when CCP
defeated US surported KMT, US logically has to override CCP shouldn't it?
So, logically, US had the intention to invade China during Korea war.
Did you got it?
>
>I know I WAS brain wahshed, and from you words above, you know you were
>brain-washed too.
>
>I do know live in taiwan was better, is better and will be better in the
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>foreseeable future).

Are you sure about this? Do not be optimistic too early. Why did you
feel threatened when more and more countries terminated diploma relation
with Taiwan? Taiwan is in identity crisis, isn't it?


Y.Duan
From: ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Protection Bill's tie to MFN (To Zhao haiqing)
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:29:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


In the recent CND-US, Zhao Haiqing wrote:

>At 1:00p.m., the House started debate and vote on overriding President's
>veto of HR5318.  The final vote was 345 to 74.  We went to Congresswoman
>Pelosi's office and met with her after the vote.  We thanked her and greatly
>appreciated her leadership for both bills.  She reinterated that both S1216
>and HR5318 are consistent on one point --- promoting human rights for China.
>The purpose of HR5318 is to release political prisoners and improve human
>rights conditions in China.  The purpose of S1216 is to protect Chinese
>nationals in the U.S. from being forced back and face possible persecutions.
>She even put it very bluntly: "You can not argue against HR5318 and only
>want S1216 since if you indicate the human rights in China is fine and not
>to support conditional MFN, then you can not argue that Chinese students in
>this country still need protection."


Is it yours or Pelosi's position then, that in order to achieve the personal
gain of staying permenantly in the US, all CSS should sacrifice China's MFN
no mattter how it hurts the 1 billion Chinese who have remained and are
struggling to make China a better place to live?

Being an educated person, I think it is not difficult for you to see the
immorality of such a position. You may do what's best for yourself in
supporting S1216. But when it comes to HR5318 to restrict MFN for China,
you are in no position to represent all the Chinese people whose interests
will be hurt.

I therefore strongly urge you not to support HR5318 in order to gain
S1216.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: esh1@cec2.wustl.edu (Edmond Siu-kei Hui)
Subject: Re: Future of China........
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:59:07 GMT

In article <lcs7h6INNboo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>Sure, will do.

Are you serious? 

>Isn't that people believe China is going to be the world 3rd economy power?
>If so, why SOS China Education Fund?

Can you read, "going to be". And now it is still poor.
I don't think the US should INcrease the tuition for forign students 
accorDINg to your logic.
Give any destructive ideal if you like such as urging the lions or wolf
to attack the CCP and kill more civilians.
After all, you will be the one who watch the FIghtinG And enjoying the killing
of innocent. Just like YOu old KMT hardliners' philosophy "Killed one  
thousand innOCEnt for one person you hate"
  
>cHina doensn't neet help. CCP regional officials are so rich (eat a lot
>and expensive daily).
>
The US doesn't need trade and new market because they have more rich
people in its own country than anywhere in the world. 
Go ahead to tax the rich to feed the homeless!
Don't stand in the street to ask donation for these homeless BASed
on your logic. 
Don't ask donation for Aids, cancer ... etc based  on your logic.
Are you try to insult thosE Amerian who enjoy using this kind of method.

RE SOS China Education Fund supporter:
Please consider my advice as part of the donation.
Copy the same method from Americans such as inviting the richs and
famous as director or chairman of the funds. Europe, HK and even
Taiwan do the same thing.
Good Luck to  all of you!
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Forward for Mr. Anonymous - Sino-Tibetan Trivia
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:22:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.97077
Organization: Boston University

My standard disclaimer for forwarding applies.
==================================================


   Sino-Tibetan Trivia     Section V \(em Part B

Have you ever wondered why the gents who are raving about the 
supposed disasters befalling Tibetan culture and the Tibetan 
language in the T.A.R. hate to touch exactly the same issues in the
traditional Tibetan-speaking areas to the south, the southeast 
and the southwest of the present Himalayan borders of China?

For example, they will avoid telling you about Sikkim.  They
are deafeningly silent about the Sino-Tibetan population of that
place.  Place?  Well, I would have liked to call it a country, 
except that it ain't no country no more.

Sikkim was the old ZheMengXiong, a part of Tibet during much of
the Qing dynasty.  It was populated by Tibetan-speaking folks who
were followers of Red Hat Lamaism ever since the 16th century.
Sonam Gyatso's close contacts with the Ming Court and Ngawang
Lobsang Gyatso's acceptance of Qing titles from ShiZu ZhangHuangDi
led to the supremacy of the Yellow Hats.  Many measures taken by the 
Qing Court made the Yellow Hats reasonably happy and secure so there 
would be no more disgraceful incidents like Ngawang Lobsang Gyatso's
death being kept secret from the rest of the Chinese Realm, and
his reincarnation scandalously put on hold, for as long as 15 years. 

As you can imagine, the Yellow Hats' successes in winning Imperial
favors were often at the expense of the Red Hats and Black Hats.
Areas where Red Hats were concentrated thus became natural targets of
British intrigues.  Thus in 1816 CE ZheMengXiong became the first
piece of Chinese territory under direct Western assaults.  But it held 
true and refused to yield.  That was some 24 years before Lin Wen2-
Zhong1 Gong1 burnt the opium seized from the Scottish peddlers, 
leading to the First Opium War.  It was during the reign of Jia-Qing.

Two Opium Wars later in 1889 CE (the 15th Year of Guang-Xu) the 
British tried again.  This time they were able to take advantage 
of the "generous" nature of Thupten Gyatso, the preincarnate of 
Tenzin Gyatso.  They grabbed ZheMengXiong in 1890 CE, four years
before the War of Jia-Wu.  The "generosity" of Thupten Gyatso in 
giving up originally Sino-Tibetan-speaking areas did not stop here.
Future items included the notorious McMahon Line.  But that would be
another long story.

The British ran ZheMengXiong, now going only by the name Sikkim, with 
a puppet and had a couple of spies living near him.  When sweet talks 
became a bit stale, threats carried the day, backed by the presence of 
British troops nearby.  Meanwhile thousands of people who did not speak 
a word of Tibetan were shipped in and dumped on the place. By the time
the British left India in 1947, Sino-Tibetan speakers native to Sikkim 
were in the minority. Tibetan culture and the use of Sino-Tibetan 
languages were both already in sharp decline.

        (to be continued)

--
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:22:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>I don't understand what you mean that
>American does  not crush other countries.  American says China can not
>sell weapons to other countries. But one province of China just received
>the promise of selling 150 F16 fighters from US.
>Does American really want to be of them?? Open you eyes, my friend!

This sounds to me like a unfair military sales competition only. 
American does not crush China, does it? I doubt if you have opened your
eyes. I still remember what I was taught when I was in grade school.
My teacher told me that don't wear colored glasses when you judge
people. The same tip is applicable when you judge the nations.
So, even we have our eyes widely opened, we still need to eliminate
"color glasses" effects.

Looks like you still don't believe that US has the power to crush
China, economically and militarilly. I don't like the fact. But the
fact is the fact. The fact and truth is that American can crush China
within relatively short time if they want. I guess it's my turn to
remind you open your eyes. This is out of original
questions. What I've tried and I am trying to say is that
we ought to try to be friend of other nations. Don't try to be
the enemy of them. Only crazy people are dreaming to have a strong nation
and crush the opponents. Wakeup guys. Daytime dream ( or open-eye
dream ) does not help anybody.

Let me emphasis my point. I like a strong yet friendly China. If some
day that China is strong enough to crush her opponents and she tries so,
I will be the ones who try to stop her.

Y.Duan

>>I truelly suspect even CCP would like your suggestion. I also
>
>>suspect that if you have brain. I suggest you go to see your doctor
>>immediately. At least see your psychaitrist.
>>
>>Y.Duan



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:19:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.191822.874@unine.ch>, Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
writes:

|>  I don't know exactly what happened. But I can't agree with you that
"most" of
|> POWs wanted to go to Taiwan. Didn't they care about their families still in
|> mainland or be afraid of CCP's punishments? According to one article I
|> mentioned above, some KMT's agents were sent to Korea and they FORCED   POWs
|> to go to Taiwan, and they treated those who wouldn't and some PLA and CCP
|> members very cruely. I would rather not mention the details.

I am probably guilty of using the wrong word because I did not know the
percentage that wanted to go to taiwan.
And do not forget that almost all came to taiwan were in ex-KMT army.

I think the part of KMT agents in POW camp is suspectible since KMT in taiwan
did not participate in the war and did not have a good relationship with
US. I just can not believe US would invite or let KMT agents enter the camp
and do whatever they want.

Also, there must be enough ex-KMT POWs that are willing to go, why would
KMT force any member of PLA to go and create problems within the small island.
At the time, it was not stable and not resourceful enough to handle them.

|>  Those who did come back to mainland hadn't been treated very well
for a long
|> time, because if captured and not killed, CCP would still consider him a
|> traitor(like KMT's "bu4 cheng2 gong1, ze2 cheng2 ren2 ?). It is really very
|> sad.

This is really no suprise to anyone.
Probably part of chinese culture.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27025 soc.culture.asian.american:9404
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Need info on Manchurian history
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:12:27 GMT
Organization: UB


Sorry about wasting bandwidth like this, but I'm trying to do some
research on my own ancestry :-) :-) Anybody with any information on
the origin of Manchurians/Northern Chinese would be greatly appreciated!!

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Learn from Lei Feng (Was Re: Oct 1, Our National Day)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:02:42 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:

>    In post <1992Oct5.121434.9301@ms.uky.edu> (5 Oct 1992) Gang Li writes,

>> Yea, he [Mao] instructed people to learn from Lei Feng, but people still
>> blame him for the decay of spirit.  I wonder what the world would be if
>> every one is like Lei Feng.

>    Not sure how the world will be, but you are probably in jail and be
>tortured.

>    Don't forget (or maybe you don't know :-) the another side of Lei Feng:

I think you could not really believe in GOD. You can not distinguish the
spirit and the real world. Do not tell me GOD know how to use chop-sticks and
speak Chinese. When I say Lei Feng, I mean a model, not a real man.
That is the spirit. When people say they believe in GOD, they do not mean that
they must listen from GOD in person. Otherwise you know what will be.

I can also say:
"I wonder what the world would be if every one believes in GOD."
Do not blame GOD, look at the people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: BASIC DECENCY
Organization: MITRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:50:04 GMT

> >> > 
> >> >Dear Later comers (later than April 11, 1990):
> >> > 
> > >To: President George Bush
> >> >Re: Bill S1216
> >> > 
> >> >Please veto this bill.  It is damaging the interests, equal rights, and equal
> >> >opportunities of Chinese nationals who arrived in this country after April 11,
> >> >1990.
> >>
> >> Don't try to threaten people. There are hundreds of thousands of 
> >> graduates coming out of college plus around 800,000 new PR's to this country
> >> each year,why these CSS can make so much difference ? Besides, these additional 
> >> PR's will be balanced gradually according to S1216 which again may not hurt you
> >> that much but still makes you worried.
> >> 
> >> So,after noticing so many wrong logics in this petition letter,I strongly
> >> urge you to withdraw it(if you know how ),or rewrite a more convincing one.
> >> After all this is a letter to the president of USA representing some of CSS,
> >> it has to be at least a decent one. 
> > 
> >============
> > 
> >Another example of D(Dog)-fighter? Two dogs fight over one bone.  Guess
> >which dog will win?  What I can say - a miserable
> >tragedy.
> 
> Can I guess you have had your bone already? While you were trying to humiliate
> others,you just did it to yourself first. 
> 
> 
I really do not want to insult you.  If you were humiliated, I am sorry. 
My point is that all CSS should fight for a "Big Pie", not for "how to
distribute this small pie."  "Where to live" is also a human right, if you
believe there is a human right.  People should have the right to chose a
place they love to live.  For example, Europeans invade the Australia and
made this place "white only" which is not right.