From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:12:08 GMT
 <tony.7160
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.152328.15950@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>In article <tony.716081545@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>>
>>>He was being really annoying about it, with his bitching and moaning.  He was
>>>contributing to the animosity that exists towards Amiga enthusiasts.  He
>>>was being as much of an asshole ("... the worst micro ... most games are
>>>terrible, the computer is awful ...") as you accuse me of being.
>>
>>Heh....he was creating to it, so you thought you'd join in and fuel the
>>fire, eh?  What a hypocrite.
>>
>
>The fire started when he bashed PC's.  I bashed *him*, not the machine he
>uses.  So I didn't add fuel to the fire; I just tried to put it out at the
>source.

Um, exactly.  He bashed a type of computer  (which he owns).  You responded
by bashing him.  This isn't exactly a good form of debate;  those kind
of tactics wouldn't work in a junior high school debate.

Attacking a person (and an entire class of people) because you disagree
with his opinions wins you no points.  

>>>
>>>Because his comments were chock-full of lies.  For example, the part about
>>>the 8MB PC only having 550KB of usable RAM.
>>
>>So you decided to personally bash him, rather than calmly pointing out why
>>"his comments were chock-full of lies".
>>
>
>Calmness doesn't seem to be effective here.  Facts don't seem to mean much.
>It's more of a shouting match -- a flame-fest, and flames are what gets
>attention around here.
>

If your goal is to get attention, then yes, flaming people is one way 
to go about it.  Most two year olds are well aquainted with the principle, too.

I'm not sure its a worthy goal, though, unless you're really good at
it.  I wish you could become involved in a 'debate' with Richard Sexton.
Now _there_ was an expert :-)

>>
>>Please explain how:
>>
>>>>>Hmmm... No wonder people see Amiga buffs as an annoying bunch of ignorant
>>>>>fanatics.  John Dvorak was right.
>>
>>typifies partiality.  I'd really like to know.  Please quote this statement
>>again, and explain this.
>>
>
>The following question, posed to me, insinuated partiality:
>
>>>>Can't you face the fact that everyone doesn't like the same things as you,
>>>>Jerry?
>
>Actually, there was no insinuation; it was an outright accusation!

Well, I refrain from drawing conclusions about PC buffs based on your posts.
It can be tempting to generalize like that.  But, there's just no replacement
for actual thought.

>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the pages      |

			andy
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