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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Date: 13 Apr 1992 13:44:39 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <mal6657.703132376@tamsun.tamu.edu> mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu (Mark A. Lindsay) writes:
>	Actually, Rogue would make some sense still.  Yes, she's been an X-Man,
>but working on the assumption that Charles hasn't really been able to help
>her fix her power, it is also reasonable to assume that she still is having
>some personality problems.  If her schizophrenia (sp?) were to remanifest
>itself in a such a way then she could easily take out the rest of them
>by absorbing their powers one at a time and using it against the others.

	Just a nit to pick, Rogue didn't have schizophrenia.  She had a 
wierd version of Multiple Personality Disorder.  It just so happened that
the other personalities weren't her own, but the echoes of the personalities
she absorbed.  Carol Danvers' persona was the strongest, and the two of them
flip-floped for a time for control.  Thanks to the Seige Plotdevice and 
Magneto, Carol's mind is gone, and any problems she had would be from
new personalities she absorbs.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 08:25:03 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
 <6APR199218590717@rigel.tamu.edu> <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu>

In article <1992Apr7.185716.17967@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
(Brian Perler) says:
>
>In article <6APR199218590717@rigel.tamu.edu> rjc2870@rigel.tamu.edu (CLAYCOMB,
>RICHARD JAMES) writes:
>>In article <92095.224213RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu>, RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>>>characters as if they all talked liked Wolverine i.e "We take care of our
>>>own".  Man, if I read that damn line again, I'll rip that page out and eat
>>>it.
>>
>>Tell me about it.  The same old lines are starting to annoy me.
>>example-"The psychic knife!  The totality of my psychic powers!"
>>       -"The psychic knife!  The focus of my psychic powers!  Against it you
>are
>>         helpless."
>>       -"The psychic knife!  The focused totality of my psychic powers."
>>
>>Some new lines for the whole team would be nice.  I could handle it. :)
>
>How about this overused line: "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I
>do best isn't very nice.  I have an adamantium-laced skeleton and claws and a
>mutant healing factor..."  This one's used more often than the psychic knife
>bit.

How 'bout we head over to the Fantastic Four for overused lines: ie: the
self promotion department:

"I am Doom.  I am above such petty matters."

"I am Galactus.  I have no need for such petty moralities."

"Men call me... (insert name here)."

Actually, when I was writing my own homage to the Fantastic Four (ie; the
Fantastic Four were in the real world, and instead of a slightly slow
big organge rocky dude, the Thing was actually a young black scientist, but
in 1961, Lee and Kirby didn't think an intelligent, black superhero would
sell, so they made him a dumb rocky guy) where the Four Horsemen were
a tad more offbeat (actually written a la X-Factor or the real early JL stories
with Batman), I wrote one sequence where they ran into the last situation:

Ned Benjamin (Reed Richards): We appreciate your assistance stranger.  By the
way, I'm Ned Benjamin, leader of the Four Horsemen.  And you are...?
Crystalsmith: Men call me... Crystalsmith.
Ned: Hey Sarah!  Come quick!  It's another one of them "Men call me dudes!"

Doug.

Richard Cheer: I still can't believe after all these years Stan made him
the straight man of the group.
Joey Most: Eh, they probably didn't wanna get sued by the guy who invented
Plastic Man.
-heard after the aforementioned comment.
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:50:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.702762621
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

And let's not forget Ghost Rider - "Vengeance is mine!"  "Innocent
blood has been spilled."  "The spilling of innocent blood must be
avenged," etc.   However, this is done consciously, as the Spirit of
Vengeance is pretty single minded, so I don't know if it qualifies.
They even make fun of it now and then.  "Vengeance is.." "Yeah, yeah, I
know, Vengeance is mine."


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From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (Cerebus in '92!)
Subject: Re: Hawk and Dove
Organization: Amherst College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:37:33 GMT

11blaframboi@galluk writes:
: 
: 
: Yeah, I've gotten Hawk and Dove Annual #2 which Waverider starred in this
: issue. Waverider checked both of them but somehow overlooked Hawk's future
: as Monarch. Strange!

Yeah, funny that... :-)

later days!
--dt

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From: acadams@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Arthur C. Adams)
Subject: Re: STRIPS: laugh out loud
Reply-To: acadams@aplcen (Arthur C. Adams)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 00:27:29 GMT

In article <3769@wet.UUCP> genef@wet.UUCP (Gene Fornario) writes:
>In article <willimsa.701272343@unix1.tcd.ie> willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
>>
>>
>>	I like Bloom County.  Is BB going to write any more?
>>
>I seriously doubt it.  When Berk announced that he was not going to continue
>the strip, he made an analogy to a ripe melon.  He basically said thathe
>took it as far as possible and it was time to move on.  He then announced
>he would be working on Outland, a "Sundays only" strip 
>
>Yes, I liked the strip also.  It's unusual that any creator would dump a
>imaginative and successful strip, it could have gone on for 50 years, but
>I guess Berke thought different.
>
>Gene-- genef@wet.UUCP

Amen. Although I tend to think that BB could have kept Bloom County going
on a while longer, and I don't like Outland, it took a lot of professional
integrity to drop it at that point, particularly since he probably took
a huge hit income-wise by radically cutting back the frequency of his
strips.
-- 
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with an incredible number of bits.
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From: tbroudy@lust.reed.edu (Timothy Malcolm Broudy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Longshot, etc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:42:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.054219.10095
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


  Somewhere in the middle of things, I lost the whole storyline... In one  
of the X-men issues of a few years ago, the group was in a fight w/ some  
beings, including Spiral. Spiral ripped out Longshot's spine. Longshot  
turned into Mojo-kind. That was the last I saw of the whole thing. 
.. what happened?
From: me1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Paul Errante)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:59:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IdsDDyq00axfE5gUVf
	<1992Apr6.213401.23863@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'd vote for Cable being the traitor--remember all X-teams are really
part of the X-men.

NOT.....Cable has definitely made it clear that he has nothing to do
with Xavier and his groups.  X-Factor answers first to the gov't, not
Xavier.


I think that we don't even know the traitor yet.  He/she will possibly
be introduced in about two years(unless the trechary is supposed to take
place sooner than that).  If not Jubilee might do it, she is constantly
being mad at the X-men for ignoring her.


Word
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From: rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake)
Subject: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Reply-To: rudeboy@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:50:53 GMT

Is there any reason given why rogue can not control her powers?
Is it just a matter of mastering control or is her power just  
uncontrollable?
Is there anyone that her powers don't work on?
Same question goes for Cyclops, is there something wrong with him or
is his power just uncontrollable?
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: TOM DERFALCO=HITLER???
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:39:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.+frjybc.dani
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (BANZAI the MASTER):
>What does PAD have to say about him?  Is he allowed to?

Allowed to, sure, but it would be tactless to ask.
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re:X-JUDAS...
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:20:05 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>Just my $.01 concerning this X-Traitor thingie:
>There will be NO such thing as a traitor in the X-Men, because

>a) The future that Bishop is talking about isn't going to happen due to him
>being trapped in our time, thus changing history (&future)

>b)IF Bishops appearance in our time wouldn't change the future, then that would
>mean that marvel would have to kill the X-Men, and what are the chances of that
>ever happening ??  (Marvel: yeah, sure, let's kill the X-Men,it's only selling
>more than anything else on the market)

>(100% IMHO)

Mine too, it seems. I can see this thing turning into a "Bishop stops traitor
and saves future and thereby proves that the future isn't set, that there is
hope, and that the entire Pheonix storyline isn't just hot air" type
storyline.  Besides, I doubt Forge is the traitor due to jealousy of Storm and
Bishop's fling, since Destiny said that he and Mystique are about to have a 
relationship. 
 

-JCD
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 01:41:56 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Dark Empire Upcoming Plots

Boba Fett lives? SHHYEAHH! RIGHTTT! I DON'T *THINK* SO!!!
It will be interesting to see how they explain this one; if it's the
same old "clone" idea they already used, I'll be disappointed.

- A.K.A. "Dave"
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Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT: SOMEONE PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO BE POLLSTER
From: jgreen@zeus.calpoly.edu (James T. Green)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 08:55:46 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) speakith unto us:
>rlawson@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>
>>	Will someone who is going to be in the same city
>>for two months please offer to be the poller for
>>the rac.DC/rac.INDY/rac.MARVEL split.
>
>    I personally have no problem with running the RFD and CFV for a
>rec.arts.comics split proposal. What we nedd to decide is this the way
>we want to split the group? Do people want a DC, Marvel, Independant
> Dartmouth Medical School   |      -Mario Cuomo (played by Phil Hartman)

Don't forget rec.arts.comics.strips
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From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 12:12:25 GMT


Are Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman the same person?

Interesting idea, but it doesn't really work - Gaiman's style seems to be
very different from Moore's. Moore seems to be concerned with using his
stories as vehicles for ideas. He also places a lot of emphasis on gritty
characterisation. On the other hand, gaiman seems to be concerned with
stories and perceptions (eg Sandman, Violent Cases, Books of Magic to some
extent). He also builds atmospheres in a way the Moore doesn't. On the
other hand, I don't think Gaiman is as good as Moore when it comes to
characterisation; a lot of people in his books seem rather flat and
occaisonally 1-dimensional. Gaiman seems more concerned with the
mysterious and the supernatural than with the people he is writing about.
In fact, I would hazard the opinion that this is why 'A Game Of You'
wasn't quite as excellent as previous Sandman arcs - the story relied a
lot on the 'real-life' characters and their interactions, and Gaiman
doesn't pull that off so well.

All MHO.

Mike
From: fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Most Astounding Recovery
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:56:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Distribution: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Biochemistry&Biophysics, UC Davis

In article <9398@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> you write:
>
>  You missed a possibility-
>
>Havock could have used his power to land unharmed, and that's what caused
>the crater.  The effort of doing so would have drained him, and left him
>unconcious.

Well... Actually I thought about it the moment I hit the "s" key to
send the post.  But the more I think about it the less likely it seems.
I mean Havok was unconscious at the site.  He may have been knocked 
unconscious after the softened impact but I think that anything that hit
a person, that isn't invulnerable, hard enough to send him miles through
the sky would knock them unconscious if not dead from massive internal
hemorrhaging.  Because of this Havok most likely was unconscious when he
hit the ground and could not have used his powers for a soft landing.
Again... Don't get me wrong.  I do like the story, especially the shooting
at the end.  Very Star Trek Prime Directive-ish. :)

I sure would like to know if anybody out there spots other incidences of
miraculous recoveries or survivals.  I would really like to hear (read) them.

					Thanks,
					Mike Oda
					fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

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Subject: Re: MARVEL: Is Marvel 2099 Stan Lee's 'World of Tomorrow'?
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:36:15 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Yes, "Marvel World of Tomorrow" and the "2099" series are one and the same.

PAD
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Masque...dead? (was Re: X-Force and the New Mutants)
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:54:44 GMT

In article <92097.114615JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu> JAL137@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>   Masque's gender is irrevelant.
>   Masque can change its apparent gender at any time (think about its
>  "mutant power" (tm) ).
>                        -Jonathan


Nope.  The reason given for masque's attitude was that his powers could
effect everyone *except* himself.  He looks disgusting, becuase he cant
change the way he looks.  Everyone around him looks disgusting, because he
doesn't want anyone else to look nice when he looks bad.

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |  one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    |
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: dr.doom
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:49:12 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>when Dr. Doom appeared in that new futuristic type armor, he suggested that
>ALL the appearances of Dr. Doom after Fantastic Four #5 were just robots,
>and that the real Doom hadn't appeared for almost 30 years.  
>
>bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)

actually, he said that he had made short visits since #5 but was back to stay.

>And the amazing part is, this was BEFORE Tom "Alicia was really a Skrull
>when she married Johnny" DeFalco came by.  In fact, that was when Walt Simonson
>was on the book, if I remember correctly.  Strange.

walt had big plans for the FF, starting with the reappearance of a meaner,
tougher Dr. Doom.  unfortunately these plans were skewered by defalco.

ok
dpm
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wildcards (and Lew Shiner rant)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 18:48:37 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <9r3ttn-@rpi.edu> tsait@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Theodore Leonard Tsai) writes:
>I wondered about that myself.  I also remember Tachyon saying something about
>how stress would likely trigger the virus to expression and how he had to 
>keep calm.  It didn't seem to me that Kelly could have stayed very calm 
>with all that she went through in his body and with Blaise.  Anyone one on
>GEnie ask them?  I find it hard to believe that George R.R. Martin would
>overlook something like that.  

	Well, the official explanation is that stress _sometimes_
triggers the WCV.  Not always.  Tach was just being cautious 
(justifiably so).  
Possible (slim) spoilers

	Another reason for the virus not expressing itself was that
the fatality rate is 90% and the writers did not feel justified in
making Tach a joker or (Bog help us) an ace.  They felt it was 
pushing readers credulity for Tach to survive, so this means that
it's either going to remain dormant, or they'll find a cure.

>And while I'm at it, did anyone else not notice that JJ Flash was one of 
>Cap't Tripp's "friends" until much later (like book 8?). 

	I thought it was kind of obvious from Tach's line when
JJ was trying to pick up Water Lily, and Tach made the veiled 
remark about time and 'trips'.
	(Maybe it's just me.)

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 15:44:59 EDT
From: <MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GAMBIT IS COOL
Distribution: na

In article <11883@tamsun.tamu.edu>, jrp3935@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
says:
>
>In article <92095.224213RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>Am I the only one who thinks that Gambit is the coolest mutant of them all?
>>Never mind the fact that it's "fated" that he betrays the X-Men and all that
>>jazz but he's the only one of them with style.  He's also beat up on
>>Wolverine "Bang you dead!"
>
See below....


>     Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to like him alot.  Personally,
>Longshot is the only X-Man I've ever hated more.

I really disliked Longshot, too, it was his naivite. Gambit is a more fully
fleshed out, more "real" (in the comics sense) than Longshot was, IMAO.

 >I cannot abide the cajun.
>One reason I've heard for liking him was his looks.  Seems to me this is an
>artist thing,  and he might be ugly when Lee leaves.  I can't see how Gambit
>is any better looking than the rest of the guys,not that I'm qualified to be
>a judge :').

I find him...more in tune with some method of style, clotheswise, more than
any other X-Man. I mean, look at some of their costumes and what they wear out
of uniform... Gambit wears stuff I'd be caught dead in. Jean, sweatshirts,
cowboy boots...and he's not all that imposing physically. Helps ground him in
'reality' for me. If you're talking about his "charming" ability or his
attitude, well, that's something different.
 I find it real annoying that the current writer has not investigated this
'verbal charm' ability Gambit has...(vide the Shadow King interaction, or the
Nanny interaction while Storm was still a fille)
His attitude I find, not refreshing, but intriguing. He is a normal guy (albeit
 incredibly flamboyant) who happens to be a mutant. He uses his abilities for
his own gain, his past is no more 'shadowy' than any other guy you see on the
street (this may be a reaction against the "Tell everything" origin and the
"Eternally shrouded" origin common in X-Comics...Hmmm)...
He has a style, a flair, that I enjoy. So does Wolverine...and we must remember
, class, that Logan was not fully recovered in the "Bang, you dead" sequence.


 >I wish they would bring Kitty and Kurt back into the fold.

YES! Can you picture Gambit, Logan, and Kurt hitting the bars? Playing tag?
I think Kurt and Remy would get along in a strange way...

>While some of the new people are interesting,  they are not *my* X-Men.

Personally, I'd have preferred the "Cyclops" team having Archangel...
My friends and I call Cyke's team the "Fuzzy, Hairy, Evil, Dark Team".
:)  :)  :)  :)
>
>Jon
>
>
Rebis
>
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: MUTANT:  Rogue's powers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:49:15 GMT

>
>She seems to be able to pick up certain sorcerous abilities as well;
>in MARVEL TEAM-UP 150, she siphoned off part of the Juggernaut's
>powers, but was overwhelmed by said power (as opposed to by Cain
>Marko's persona itself, as I recall).
>

From this issue comes the way to get rid of the Juggernaut.  According to it,
when the power left Rogue, it went back into the crystal.  Juggs grabed the
crystal, reclaimed the power, and threw the crystal into space.

So, have Rogue start grabbing Juggs' power, and eventually he'd have none left.

-----SCAVENGER


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From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC:  92 Preview
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:24:23 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Apr4.184037.15243@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:
> The Westfield Newsletter had infomation on DC's plans for '92.  Here
> are some snippets.  It's long and probably has spoilers, but gentle
> ones since this is what DC told them.

Is there any news about the new outsider series coming out?