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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:09:36 PDT
Reply-To:     "Institute for Global Communications" <econet@IGC.APC.ORG>
From:         "Institute for Global Communications" <econet@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Club Med Threatens Australian Rainforest

Reply-To: rainfaus@peg.apc.org

Club  Mediteranee International is campaigning for a hotel site near
Byron Bay in northern N.S.W. of Australia, that will destroy littoral
rainforest, wetlands  and endanger many plant and animal species that
already are losing ground. The Byron Bay Environment Centre is in
search of information that will help them make a stonger case for
protecting a very special part of Australia. The Centre have been
opposing this for a long time and urgently requires information about
other Club Meds around the world to support their case ... time is
running out for this unique area.

If you know of groups that have lobbied and compelled Club Med to
lessen the environmental impacts of proposed resort, please contact
the Centre. They want case studies from other areas outlining the
environmental, cultural, and economic impact of Club Med on indigenous
populations, flora and fauna.

Please contact them as soon as possible ...
E-mail: rainfaus@peg.apc.org
Fax: +61 66 222 339  Attn: Bryon Environment Centre
From: TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET (THERESA BLACKWELL)
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Subject: THAT'S SCARY....
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:09:25 GMT
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 I'm not on this list as a subscriber, I don't guess, but this
 is an interesting thought.
 Wish these lumber people would get what they NEEDED and leave.
 My Dad is a carpenter, but there is loads of lumber wasted each
 year needlessly because the folks who cut it don't know HOW MUCH
 IS TOO MUCH.
 THIS is just MHO.....
 Theresa Blackwell  USMCP6.Bitnet

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:35:55 CDT
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From:         AC35@UNTVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Andrews Wake

A thought:

In the wake of hurricane Andrew's destruction, would it not be a good idea
to rebuild power and telephone lines underground, as well as to consider
including at least one undergroung floor as houses are rebuilt, etc.?

James
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Subject: Hello?
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:26:13 GMT
Reply-To: "D.A.R.E. (DARE Environmental Group)" <DARE@DICKINSON.EDU>
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Is this mailing list dead?
Is anybody out there?

Russ Dooling
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:17:10 PDT
Reply-To:     Bill Arnett <USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET>
From:         Bill Arnett <USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Heat exchangers

Jeremy Whitlock wrote:
> Ventilation becomes not so easy in cold climates, in which case the most
> efficient method is to use air-to-air heat exchangers.  These are expensive
> and drive up the cost of super-insulating your house considerably.  The
> Lovins are worried about indoor Radon levels, and have air-to-air heat
> exchangers, which is part of my argument that the lifestyle they espouse is
> simply not practical for the common folk.

But this is exactly what the Canadian government is promoting in the
R-2000 ("better-built house") program.  I've never gone out of my to find
out more about this program 'cause I'm not in a position to build a house,
but I've seen a bit about it on TV.  Most well insulated homes need some
sort of ventilation in order to replenish the oxygen and get rid of
dangerous fumes.  (Many don't, but ventilation is recommended.)
Most of the time this involves being cold outside air into
the house and letting warm air escape.  The R-2000 houses provide
continual ventilation with some of the heat being reclaimed.

Of course it's more expensive, but it also helps prevent a lot of
health problems.

Bill.
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:48:22 JST
Reply-To:     adam messer <adam@U-SHIZUOKA-KEN.AC.JP>
From:         adam messer <adam@U-SHIZUOKA-KEN.AC.JP>
Subject:      Social Forestry

Social forestry is hardly a buzzword any more--it's become
an important component of the ODA programs of many countries
and NGOs.  In my own experience with social forestry programs
in SE Asia, the goal is not to "rob" third world countries of
what's left of their natural resources, but rather to protect
and build on what remains of indigenous species.
Social forestry programs often include substantial community development
components as well--that's the point.

Considering that most of the products of social forestry programs
are for local consumption (fuelwood, improved animal husbandry, etc.)
it's difficult to see how the conclusion that these programs are simply
another way that the rich take from the poor.  Further, saying "I know I'm
right," and then looking for the documentation to back this up, does
introduce a lot of bias into any analysis of social forestry programs,
doesn't it?

Adam Messer
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:55:09 EST
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Subject:      Performance/config info

 On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:19:23 EDT, HOLTZMAN@SJUVM said:
>Hi. I need to know some guidelines for configuring our SFS stuff.
>What is the optimal arrangement of minidisks for an SFS server?
>Should I have a bunch of disks spread across serveral packs?  - - -

    To get the best performance, put each piece on a dedicated
 volume, each on dedicated string of disk, each on a dedicated
 channel and wait for the first head crash anywhere on any volume
 to wipe out your SFS system.
 I hope everyone realizes that the above is ridiculous.

    For the best data integrity, put all pieces of an SFS service
 machine on a single volume.  This also helps recovery.

    To combine the best performance and the best integrity, place
 the SFS server mini-disk on as few volumes as possible and put
 high used areas either adjacent on a volume or on separate
 volumes.  A good layout is starting at the center of a volume,
 put the 191 disk, then put the control disk at the next higher
 cylinder number, then a log, then the other log, then catalog,
 then data.  This assumes that the low addresses of the data are
 the heaviest used.  If you must put non-SFS high used areas on
 the same volume, the 191, control, and both logs could be moved
 to be after the data ( higher cylinders ) and the non-SFS high
 used data put in the center of the volume.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:19:23 EDT
From:         "Michael S. Holtzman" <HOLTZMAN@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Performance/config info

Hi. I need to know some guidelines for configuring our SFS stuff.  What
is the optimal arrangement of minidisks for an SFS server?  Should
I have a bunch of disks spread across serveral packs?  Also, am I better
off setting up mulitple servers, or having one server with a lot of space?
Is there an number somewhere in "Q FILEPOOL STATUS" that would indicate
I need another server?

Is there any performance advantage to having multiple file groups in a
server?

Do the users generally like, dislike, or not notice the change to SFS?

Any comments/suggestions/etc welcome.

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(718) 990-1637           Perboyre Hall, Rm B14    MIKE000@SJUMUSIC
                         Jamaica, NY 11439
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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Performance/config info
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:36:04 GMT

In article <920911.091923.EDT.HOLTZMAN@SJUVM.BITNET> "Michael S. Holtzman" <HOLTZMAN@SJUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Hi. I need to know some guidelines for configuring our SFS stuff.  What
>is the optimal arrangement of minidisks for an SFS server?  Should

For our students and faculty (some 3700+ userids) the actual use of SFS
(I/O, etc.) is small enough that I have two volumes/HDA with only one
armature (set of R/W heads) and RARELY have I/O's pending.

>I have a bunch of disks spread across serveral packs?  Also, am I better

We have 3350's (moving to 3380's) assigned, eight at this moment, I
really need to allocate another, for all SFS space.  Each volume has 34
cylinders allocated to storage group 1 and 520 cylinders for storage group 2.
This spreads the catalog I/O along with the data I/O. I learned this
trick from Dan Martin.

>off setting up mulitple servers, or having one server with a lot of space?

Multiple servers depends on your clientele and backup philosophy.  We
back up user and SFS data all at once using VMBACKUP from SCI.  We have
two servers, one for user data and one for systems data.  Compilers,
packages and the like are still on minidisks.  We are memory constrained
at the moment, so having multiple servers would cause more harm than
good.

>Is there an number somewhere in "Q FILEPOOL STATUS" that would indicate
>I need another server?

Better to check the SFS Admin manual for suggestions on tuning.

>Is there any performance advantage to having multiple file groups in a
>server?

Depends on your backup philosphy (IMHO) if you do not have VMBACKUP or
some other 3rd party package to back up your data, then having users in
multiple storage groups means fewer are affected for a shorter time
during backups.

>Do the users generally like, dislike, or not notice the change to SFS?

Has helped in DASD savings.  Users get more and can organize it sort of
like they do in UNIX(tm) and PC-DOS(tm).

>Any comments/suggestions/etc welcome.

Disaster recovery is a disaster (IMHO) when you lose an SFS volume.
-- 
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:32:43 JST
From:         KAERI Kim YongChe <yckim@SORAK.KAIST.AC.KR>
Subject:      Re: Tonal languages

    >  Dave Windley writes to Miriam:

    >  What a concept!  At first I had no clue as to what you meant
    >  by "tonal language", but after thinking of the stereotypical
    >  voice patterns of oriental people, I can remember a marked
    >  inflection, much stronger than that normally used in spoken
    >  English.

  Dave, Miriam, Seth,

  I have the impression that much of confusion stems from
  undifferentiated pictures of 'O/oriental' languages and people.

  It began with Seth's misleading question "Is Korean a tonal
  language like Chinese, Japanese, and Vietnamese?" and my stupid
  answer "That's right" on that. Thanks to Annie's quest
  afterwards, it turned out that Korean is not a tonal language.
  Since then I myself have asked around and found out that
  Chinese and Vietnamese might be categorized as tonal languages,
  but Japanese not. (Don't feel offended, Seth. We are learning a
  lot by errors.)

  As for speechreading a tonal language, Annie Senghas and David
  James suggested that occasional ambiguity resulting from tonal
  difference of words might be overcome mainly by reading
  context. I totally agree with them, even though I am neither a
  signer nor a speechreader.

  As for the sign language of a tonal language, I guess that they
  may have even less difficulty than in the case of non-tonal
  languages, because the ambiguity from tonal difference may
  better be eliminated in the course of translating the
  meaning of the words. After all, isn't the purpose of a sign
  language translation of the meaning? In written Chinese they
  don't mark any tones, I believe.

  Now let's confine ourselves to non-tonal languages and keep in
  mind that Korean and Japanese are 'intonational' languages just
  like English. Regarding a marked inflection mentioned by Dave
  I suspect it may be a subjective impression in your
  perspective, provided that you were referring to Korean and
  Japanese. Indeed, I also feel that marked inflection and
  varaiety of accents in words, not in my mother tongue but in
  foreign languages including English. Perhaps linguists may have
  ideas about which intonational languages are richer in
  inflection than others, but I think that is not our chief concern
  here.

  Finally, as a late-deafened I chiefly rely on written
  communication. I always carry a pen and notepads with me.

  Correct me if I have again made mistakes. I like learning by
  mistakes.  :-)

  Yong Che Kim  <yckim@sorak.kaist.ac.kr>


  PS. Yong Che together is my first name, and Kim family name.
  Please call me Yong Che or Kim. Not Yong or Che alone. Thanks.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:53:25 EDT
From:         "(Annie Senghas)" <annie@PSYCHE.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      vowelless hebrew

My train of thought on stress (see my post on tonal languages) got me
thinking about the vowelless Hebrew conversation on line now.  In our
writing systems, we never record everything that is relevant.  In
English, stress is quite relevant to identifying a word (as in the
examples record, contract, pervert, etc) yet stress is not marked on
the word in our writing system.  Intonation is also phrasally
important, but we also don't mark it.  It's not that these things
couldn't be done; there are stress accents in written Spanish, for
example.

So, as people have already noted, we figure out what the word is by
identifying the word in context, looking at things like word order to
figure out the part of speech (as in noun vs. verb), and sometimes
making errors.  We also write with these problems in mind.  Since we
can't mark intonation in writing, we use lots more words like
"unfortunately" and "nevertheless" to show how thoughts and phrases
are related.

Evidently we have decided we can do without stress marking, so we save
ourselves the effort.  Hebrew writers likewise have discovered they
can read without marking the vowels.  Friends of mine who read Hebrew
say they are not aware of "trying to figure out the vowels" except in
cases where they might initially make the wrong guess.

Of course, we don't mark stress at all, and in Hebrew they do mark the
vowels occasionally.  I suspect we have a certain tolerance for
ambiguity, but beyond a certain threshold we will introduce a method
of reducing that ambiguity.

Annie
(annie@psyche.mit.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:31:10 EDT
From:         -- <sipb7@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: questions, a few, have i.
              03 Sep 92 16:15:00 +0000. <9209031713.AA06678@Athena.MIT.EDU>

    Tim Johnson says:
    Seth's message made me think of the sign I was just taught a few nights
    ago for "safe sex" (or "safer sex").  The sign is the same as Seth
    described, except the "X" handshape is drawn against the cheek twice.

I've never seen this sign for "safer sex".  I think I've always seen
it as plain old SAFE-SEX.

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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:52:38 IST
From:         Lew Golan <LEW@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      context

>  Lew Golan probably knows more Hebrew than anyone else on this list,
>  but he hasn't responded yet to this thread

     I felt the thread was too tangential to DEAF-L.
     Bryce brought up the subject of written Hebrew not having any vowels
(that's more or less correct in broad terms). People who are familiar with
written Hebrew have no problem recognizing the words in context. He drew a
parallel with speechreading, in which everything depends on familiarity
with the language and context:

>   My point is that the human brain/mind linguistic recognizer is a
> marvelously devious piece of goods.  It appears to work by pattern
> recognition, and pattern is interpreted from known contexts.

     He is right. The similarity between reading Hebrew and reading lips is
an excellent parallel.
     From my perspective, that was the end of it. Bryce made the point in
his first message. The ensuing discussion about the finer points of Hebrew
(you should excuse the expression), while perhaps of interest to some
people, had nothing to do with deafness -- so I saw no point in prolonging
the thread on the list. I feel the same way about most of the LGB thread
(and if that makes me a gay-basher, it also makes me a self-hating Jew and
an outcast Israeli).

     Bryce's point does, however, remind me of another parallel:
     During a newspaper reporter's tour of a prison, the warden took him to
the dining hall where hundreds of men were eating. Suddenly, one of the
prisoners stood up and shouted "Seventy-three!"
     All the prisoners roared with laughter.
     Then another man stood up and shouted "One hundred forty-two!"
     Another round of laughter.
     A third prisoner yelled "Twenty-seven!"
     More laughing and banging on tables.
     The reporter turned to the warden. "What's going on?" he asked.
     The warden replied. "There's a book of jokes in the prison library.
Those are the numbers of the jokes. Everbody has read the book so many
times that they know the jokes by heart. So they don't have to tell the
whole joke -- just the number -- and everyone gets it."
    The reporter nodded, and they continued the tour. When they came to the
prison library, the reporter looked at the joke book and memorized three or
four jokes.
     On the way back through the dining hall, the reporter stopped and
shouted "Fifty-four!"
     The men continued eating in silence.
     The reporter tried again. "One hundred eleven!"
     No response.
     "Ninety-six!"
     Silence.
     The reporter turned to the warden. "Why didn't they laugh? Those were
some of the funniest jokes in the book."
     The warden shrugged. "You know how it is -- some people can tell a
joke, and some people can't."

Lew Golan, Tel-Aviv University <lew@vm.tau.ac.il>
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:13:53 EDT
From:         "Joseph P. Riolo" <riolo@COR4.PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: new member information

Harold,

       I just want to express my thanks to you for posting Robert R. Davila's
speech.  You have given me new arsenal of information to carry with.  I
live in Northeastern Pennsylvania and my wife and I will have to decide where
to send our deaf kids, just that you know why I appreciate your time to post the
information.  I will have to obtain Dr. Tucker's policy or paper.  If you
know of any faster way to obtain it other than contacting NAD office, let
me know.

                                        Joseph P. Riolo
                                        <riolo@pica.army.mil>
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:00:38 +1200
From:         Dave Moskovitz <mosko@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Job announcement - artist for SL dictionary

Please pass this on to people you know who may be interested, but not on the
network.


GRAPHICS ARTIST
-------- ------

Victoria University of Wellington and the New Zealand Association of the Deaf
are producing a Dictionary of New Zealand Sign Language.  The project needs an
artist to make several thousand clear high quality line drawings of faces and
hands from video recordings showing how signs are made.  The successful
applicant will work with Deaf people.  If you have these skills and are
interested in the position, conditions of appointment are available from:

   Professor G. D. Kennedy
   English Language Institute
   Victoria University of Wellington
   PO Box 600
   Wellington
   New Zealand

   Email:     kennedyg@matai.vuw.ac.nz
   Facsimile: +64 4 495 5057
   Telephone: +64 4 471 5316 (voice)

Closing date: 15 October 1992.

The University is an equal opportunity employer.
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
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Subject: Re: LGB language
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:32:32 GMT
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<sipb7@ATHENA.MIT.EDU> writes:
>
>I certainly didn't intend to hurt anyone by using that word, and I
>don't think Annie did, either.  Many LGB people in the Boston area are
>now using "queer" as a general term for gay men, lesbians, bisexuals,
>and other people who don't follow orthodox rules of sex.  Some of them
>are using it to connote a militant attitude (e.g., the Queer Nation
>slogan: "We're here, we're queer, we're fabulous, get used to it").
>Others are probably tired of saying "gaylesbianandbisexual" whenever
>they need an inclusive term.

	An inclusive term would basically be 'homosexual'. :) As I said
earlier in a post about deaf/Deaf/hearing-impaired, I prefer separate
words for physical and cultural conditions. Just as one can be
hearing-impaired, but not Deaf, one could be homosexual without being
queer (i.e. - part of a certain cultural group concerned with 
a homosexual lifestyle, etc.)
	I think the use of words like 'queer' are an attempt to 
define a growing cultural distinction before non-homosexual people
slap a label on it that homosexuals may or may not like. Some 
homosexuals probably already have cultural ties that they are very 
happy with and would get miffed if queers started calling them 
'queer' also. :-)

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HI Sarah.  Your work sounds fascinating.  I am an interpreter in the DC area
(sorry, I dont' live in Albany).  I am getting more adn more involved in
interpreting in medical situations adn I enjoy it very much.  I am interested
in your studies in the health care field.  What kind of training is required
to become a midwife??  I have interpreted for several Lamaze//child birth
classes and am thrilled to be interpreting for a c-section next week!!  I
have been reading all the info I can get my hands on plus I know a good bit
from the Lamaze classes.  It's so interesting.  I should be prepared when I
have my own kids one of these days (if one can really be prepared for such
a big event).  Tell me more about your work, ok.
                                                        Julie