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From: su@prag (Sean D. Ackley)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: CON-FUSED 1992 (New addition, Wes Craven!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:33:04 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: PRA Group


              C O N - F U S E D  1 9 9 2

We have just added a final guest to the line-up:

  Wes Craven (the horror maven himself!)

The final guest list will be:

        Wes Craven (horror author, movies, etc.)
        James Hong (actor, producer)
        Harry Goez (Deputy Andy on Twin Peaks)
        Grace Zabrinski (Laura Palmer's mother)
        Kim Bailey (Special Effects)
        Jean Kluge (Artist)
        Andy Probert (Special Effects)


We will also have a full dealers room, art show, masquerade,
                    gaming room, laser tag, and much more.

Come on down------->   Red Lion Inn   in San Jose, CA
                       July 24-26 1992

Call us at 510-732-9895 x 149  (ask for Sean Ackley)

or e-mail at:  su@prag.mhs.compuserve.com  (Sean D. Ackley)

hope to see ya there!

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From: shogun@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Mike M. Tatsugawa)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: CON-FUSED Dealers Tables OPEN!!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:24:24 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <1992Jul27.203432.192027@zeus.calpoly.edu> kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:
>In alt.fandom.cons aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>Hurm.  Now that we're done with (being) ConFused, anyone want to verify for
>sure what I've heard in bits and pieces?

>1: There will be no 93 TimeCon/ConFused
>Re: WorldCon!

From everything that I have been told, this is true.

>2: TimeCon/ConFused will return in 94

This is apparantly true as well.  The GoH that I have been told is
coming is the person who plays "Q" on ST:TNG.  I'm sure that other
GoH's are in the works.

>3: SillyCon has been Moved to the Westin by Great America?

It is a confirmed fact that SiliCon has been moved to the Westin.



Mike (The dazed, ConFused troubleshooter/anime fan wandering the convention.)

Disclaimer: I am not an official spokeperson for these conventions.
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
From: kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow)
Subject: Re: CON-FUSED Dealers Tables OPEN!!!
Organization: The Outland Riders
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:34:32 GMT

In alt.fandom.cons aahz@netcom.com (Aahzmandius) writes:
>In article <wkkeoB1w164w@prag> su@prag (Sean D. Ackley) writes:
>>
>>As of this morning we have a few dealers tables open for CON-FUSED.
>
>Gee, I wonder why?.......

Hurm.  Now that we're done with (being) ConFused, anyone want to verify for
sure what I've heard in bits and pieces?

1: There will be no 93 TimeCon/ConFused
Re: WorldCon!

2: TimeCon/ConFused will return in 94

3: SillyCon has been Moved to the Westin by Great America?

   - Kevin Wang
...And now, for your local station identification, on the hour, every hour...
kwang@hermes.calpoly.edu or kwang@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu
---
   "That's true.  But an idea can't be seen or felt.  And that's what 
   kept the Troglytes in the mines all these centuries.  A mistaken 
   idea."  -- Vanna and Kirk, "The Cloud Minders"
From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: CON-FUSED Dealers Tables OPEN!!!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:30:12 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems

kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:

> 1: There will be no 93 TimeCon/ConFused

They didn't have a table set up selling 93 memberships and membership
was extremely low.  Two clues for you.

> Re: WorldCon!

BayCon is already planning on being a relaxicon.  Perhaps the
Confused committee is just planning on laying low for year.

> 2: TimeCon/ConFused will return in 94

No rumors.  In fact there were no rumors about 93 either.

> 3: SillyCon has been Moved to the Westin by Great America?

Yep.  The SiliCon committee decided the Red Lion was too big and too
expensive for a medium sized con.



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From: mwallis@clubzen.fidonet.org (Michael Wallis)
Newsgroups: alt.fandom.cons
Subject: Re: CON-FUSED Dealers Tables OPEN!!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:46:33 GMT
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/Internet - +1 408 734 2289

kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:

> 1: There will be no 93 TimeCon/ConFused
> Re: WorldCon!

There will be no TimeCon/ConFused (at least by that organization) in '93.
 
> 2: TimeCon/ConFused will return in 94
 
Not likely. The organization, Conventions of Time, Inc., has decided to 
close it's doors effective the end of this week.
 
> 3: SillyCon has been Moved to the Westin by Great America?

This is true. Silicon '92 will be held Thanksgiving Day Weekend at the 
Santa Clara Westin Hotel, at Great America Parkway and Tasman, next to 
the Santa Clara Convention Center. Memberships are:

        $30 through Nov 15th
        $40 at the Door
        $15 One Day (only available at the door)
 
Write to:
        
        Silicon '92
        PO Box 8029
        San Jose, CA
        95155

The Guests of Honor are:

        Writer GoH  - Robert Jordan
        Artist GoH  - Richard Hescox
        Fan Goh     - Michaelle Sagara
        Toastmaster - James Blaylock


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"College isn't the place to go for ideas." - HELEN KELLER
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: markus@mdwarf.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Subject: Re: Cursor warping in ARC
Organization: Mt. Stromlo and Siding Spring Observatories
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:46:05 GMT

sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard) writes:
>markus@msokcf.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) writes:
S>(after this, I'm prompted for every line I selected, without having to go back
S>into the pgdisp window).

>>This still doesn't happen for me. When I select a line by clicking on it,
>>the cursor changes shape to a splat ('*') and that's the end of any
>>input it takes from me. Only after I've answered the prompt do I get the
>>normal '+' shape cursor back and it wants more input. Questions: (i) Does
>>the cursor change it's shape when you've selected a line (at any stage), and
>>(ii) Are you running OpenWindows3.0, or perhaps pure XWindows, or... ?
>
>No, the cursor doesn't change shape for me.  I was using OpenWindows 3.0 at the
>time, but it should be no different for any other X system.

Hmm - Ok, what program actually sets the cursor shape ? I've noticed that
PGPLOT changes the cursor shape when I use pgcurse, pgadvance or pgend, where
a <return> is sometimes needed in the xterm window or in the line graphics
window. This is in my own PGPLOT programs running on the SPARCs under OW3.0.

>>Something must be different in our setups.
>
>Perhaps you are using a different method of determining window input.  I have
>my cursor input follow the mouse.  If you're using another method, perhaps you
>need to select the line graphics window (being careful not to do so while
>actually inside the window, unless you're at the point you want) before
>continuing with other events?

I take it you mean that the window in which the cursor is is the active one ?
This is how I run it here, thus the cursor is a '+' shape in the ARC window, 
changing to the '*' after selecting a line, and a normal arrow pointer when 
in the xterm window. 

Curiouser and Curiouser..

Markus

Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard)
Subject: Re: Cursor warping in ARC
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:05:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.224605.10460@newshost.anu.edu.au> markus@mdwarf.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) writes:
>Hmm - Ok, what program actually sets the cursor shape ? I've noticed that
>PGPLOT changes the cursor shape when I use pgcurse, pgadvance or pgend, where
>a <return> is sometimes needed in the xterm window or in the line graphics
>window. This is in my own PGPLOT programs running on the SPARCs under OW3.0.

Nothing inside figdisp/pgdisp ever changes the cursor (after startup).  If your
cursor shape is changing, something else must be doing it.  Your window manager
perhaps?

>>Perhaps you are using a different method of determining window input.  I have
>>my cursor input follow the mouse.  If you're using another method, perhaps you
>>need to select the line graphics window (being careful not to do so while
>>actually inside the window, unless you're at the point you want) before
>>continuing with other events?
>
>I take it you mean that the window in which the cursor is is the active one ?
>This is how I run it here, thus the cursor is a '+' shape in the ARC window, 
>changing to the '*' after selecting a line, and a normal arrow pointer when 
>in the xterm window. 

I mean that this is how I'm interpreting the events.  Whether this is actually
what's going on I don't know.  It is a possible avenue for you to pursue.

Can someone else (not at Caltech) please try this out so we can try to figure
out what's going on?
Newsgroups: alt.sci.astro.figaro
From: sns@bondi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Southard)
Subject: Re: Cursor warping in ARC
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:55:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.014332.29808@newshost.anu.edu.au> markus@msokcf.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) writes:
>I just tried soft /xdisp. All three are recognised here (i.e. no complaints
>from soft, nor from arc when it runs. Unfortunately....
>
>>What happens on my system is the following:
>>(after this, I'm prompted for every line I selected, without having to go back
>>into the pgdisp window).
>
>This still doesn't happen for me. When I select a line by clicking on it,
>the cursor changes shape to a splat ('*') and that's the end of any
>input it takes from me. Only after I've answered the prompt do I get the
>normal '+' shape cursor back and it wants more input. Questions: (i) Does
>the cursor change it's shape when you've selected a line (at any stage), and
>(ii) Are you running OpenWindows3.0, or perhaps pure XWindows, or... ?

No, the cursor doesn't change shape for me.  I was using OpenWindows 3.0 at the
time, but it should be no different for any other X system.

>Something must be different in our setups.

Perhaps you are using a different method of determining window input.  I have
my cursor input follow the mouse.  If you're using another method, perhaps you
need to select the line graphics window (being careful not to do so while
actually inside the window, unless you're at the point you want) before
continuing with other events?

>Hey- where are all the other users out there ? Anybody else see it either way ?

I would also be interested in the response from others, since I can't duplicate
the behaviour this person sees.

Sam Southard, Jr.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: silverstein@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:07:29 GMT

In article <7696@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)) writes:
> Idle speculation from someone whose ignorance 
> of physics is massive (pun intended):
> 
> Does the influence of gravity act instantaneously?  Suppose you had
> a mass detector of some sort, and you were detecting mass X at
> a distance of say, 1 LY.  If that mass were moved suddenly, wouldn't
> your mass detector note the movement instantly?  What glaring blunder
> have I committed?

Gravity wave detectors have been built to detect such events as supernovae
over long distances, but as far as I am aware, no positive measurements have
been made yet (none of them were turned on when SN1987A was observed).
However, it is believed that the gravitational force is transmitted at light
speed, and not instantaneously.

> 
> Bonus Round related question:
> 
> Do two masses always interact gravitationally, regardless of the
> distance between them?  I mean "at all", not "negligible".  
> 

Yes, the gravitational force, like the electromagnetic force, is said to have
an "infinite" range, which means that its effect is exactly zero only at an
infinite separation.

> I know, there are more appropriate forums for this stuff, but hey,
> I'm not going to parade my ignorance in front of the _smart_guys_.
> 
> --
> DISCLAIMER:                                              | Bob Mitchell
> "Don't blame _me_, _I_ didn't do it!" --Krusty the Clown | mitch@ea.ucla.edu
> "Ididn'tdoitnobodysawmeyoucan'tproveanything!" --Bartman | DOD#[classified]
> "Computers are ruining this country." --Al Bundy         | 1987 VT700c

Sam Silverstein
UW Madison department of Physics
_NOT_ to be confused with UW Eau Claire, home of physicist ROBERT MCELWAINE!
(geez...I kinda miss him in a way...;-)
From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Elapsed Time near c (was Re: Q&A on Extraterr
Keywords: superluminal
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:48:11 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.031252.5562@isus.UUCP>, hoyt@isus.UUCP (Hoyt A. Stearns jr.) writes:
> If for no other reasons than aesthetics and symmetry, it seems reasonable to
> assume that the universe is symmetric about the speed of light--half of the
> total number of non-massless particles are >c (anti-particles).

Having no evidence of particles travelling at a higher speed than C, I
disagree that this is a reasonable assumption. Also, I'm not sure what you
mean by "anti-particles". That term is already in use in QED.

> The Reciprocal System concludes this.  The >c particles gravitate in time
> instead of space, so appear isotropic and uniformly distributed to us,
> and make their appearance only as cosmic rays, and then only when slowed
> down from >c to exactly c, usually as a result of a of a >c star
> going supernova.

We already have a pretty good understanding of what goes on in the
various types of supernovae. None of which has anything to do with
cosmic rays. Or particles travelling faster than light.

We've previously discussed the Reciprocal System to death - the summary
of the discussion coming down to basically:

    Show us how you can use the reciprocal system to produce equations
    that produce testable predictions at variance with existing systems,
    or produce the same results as existing systems with easier math.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: lever@voyager.corp.sgi.com (Karen Lever)
Subject: Free Classes in Tantric Meditation
Followup-To: poster
Originator: root@voyager.corp.sgi.com
Keywords: consciousness, meditation, Enlightenment
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:44:53 GMT

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Additional classes will be offered in the Bay Area this summer
and fall.  For information, please call 415-995-4721.
From: me@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Time Travel?
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:01:22 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <1992Jul21.093737.5974@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>,
mike@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Cosmik Debris) writes:
>In article <NICKH.92Jul20125744@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU
(Nick
> Haines) writes: 
>> Right. By the same argument I don't know you even _have_ mitochondrial
>> DNA. Or mitochondria. Or cells. Or a brain.
>> 
>> As far as I'm concerned you are merely an apparent arrangement of
>> apparent light-patterns in my visual field.
>> 
>> Feh.
>
>As far as I know I am not and have never been in you visual field. Just a
simple
> question which you do not seem able to answer. Why not let real experts
answer.
>
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How about:

        You are just line noise on his connection to the internet.   In fact
the internet does not exist.  Everyone just happens to get the perfect line
noise out of thier connection. <g>

Sorry for the inconvience folks,  I just had to say that....


Disclaimer:  I am not responsible for my actions.
From: sichase@csa3.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: photons
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:48:58 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: na
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

In article <1992Jul21.132737.21878@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, toma@zephyr.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Atwater) writes...
>In article <1992Jul21.074354.31069@watson.ibm.com> jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier) writes:
>>A very naive question from a non-physicist :
>>How come the gravitation can curb light beams when photons
>>have no mass ? 
> 
>the very same question I wondered myself, many years ago, before getting
>into physics.
> 
>The simple answer is: photons have zero REST mass.
>This is equivalent to saying that stationary photons do not exist.
>The moving photon has energy, which is equivalent to mass (E = m c^2).
>Therefore at least qualitatively it can be seen how gravity, which
>operates on mass, can affect a photon, which has energy/mass.

This answer is roughly correct, but not how most physicists would 
describe it.

Photons have no mass.  Period.  In GR, the gravitational force depends on the
complete energy-momentum tensor, not just the "0-0" component, which is the
mass.  So a particle with any energy whatsoever is affected by gravity even if
it has no mass. But the force it experiences is not the same as the one
a particle at rest but with mass = E/c^2 would have.  It's more complicated
than that because of the tensorial equations.

"Relativistic mass" is an outdated and troublesome notion, which has gone
the way of the old Minkowski (imaginary) metric in relativity.  Do you
really want to say that a photon has a mass that depends on it's wavelength?

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Halley's comet
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:02:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <zlsiida.969@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
   zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) doodled:

> What is this all about?  Anybody know?
> From Wednesday's Guardian (a UK newspaper):

[Advert deleted]

> what explosion of Halley's comet?

Comet Halley went through an intense brightening a few months ago,
generally accepted to have occured due to a collision.

> who is this polish astronomer?

According to the Times, who did a followup a few days later, she is a
Nun who predicted that Halley would suffer some sort of collision this
year.  She also predicted that this would cause the orbit to be badly
disturbed, and it would return a lot sooner than expected.  The Times
contacted some astronomers who said that the peturbation of the orbit
was negligible, and nothing on that scale was very likely. 

> anybody tried ringing that phone number?

Nope, but at least it wasn't an 0898 number... :-)

> nb 'a charitable organisation'  <> 'a registered charity'
> who are these nuts?

About 6-7 people, apparently, with some sort of anonymous benefactor. 
The Times reckoned it marked the start of the "End of Millenium" silly
season, with all those predictions for the end of the world... 

"Thats great it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes and airplanes..."
								REM
- Chris
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Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Monday, 20 Jul 1992 12:18:34 TUR
From: <C48207@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject:    superheavy quarks

my thesis is about superheavy quarkonia. I need to define my problem
more specificly. I do not know field  theory good enough. Would you
you please send me some related papers in which calculations are done
by using quantum mechanics and help me to reduce my problem to a specific one.
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: photons
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.074354.31069@watson.ibm.com>, jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier) writes:
>A very naive question from a non-physicist :
>How come the gravitation can curb light beams when photons
>have no mass ? 

They have no *rest* mass, that is, a "resting photon" would be massless.
(Actually there is no such thing as a resting photon.  They all move with
velocity of light.)

A photon has an energy  E = h * ny (h = Planck's constant, ny = frequency).
You can compute the mass using  E = m * c^2.
So  m = h * ny/c^2,  or  m = h/lambda*c (lambda = wavelength).


-- 
--------------thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany---------------
Do you ask a Napoleon why it has to be Moscow, of all places?  Do you ask a
Mondrian why one has to paint only in the rectangularly framed primary colours
Red, Blue, and Yellow?  Ah, how all questions are ruined in view of a persuas-
ively recited system of madness! And is there a mortar keeping those systems
together firmer than real or supposed enemies?  -  Robert Gernhardt

Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories