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Subject: Re: The Man Trap
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 15:41:34 PDT
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eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:

> In article <sPmiqB3w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) w
> >rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> >> 
> >> Well, actually "The Man Trap" was the 7th (or so) episode filmed, so the
> >> series had mostly taken shape by this time.  Most of the discrepancies
> >> above can be explained away pretty easily:
> >> 
> >
> >In the TOS episode guide that Starlog put out The Man Trap is listed 5th,
> >not including The Cage.  I'm not sure if that is the shooting order or
> >not, they do not say.  Although I did find it interesing that it wasn't
> >listed first, so maybe it is a shooting order.  It lists, Where No Man
> >Has Gone Before, The Corbomite Maneuver, Mudd's Women, The Enemy Within,
> >and The Man Trap, in that order.  Can anyone with a better guide tell
> >me if this is, in fact, the order they were shot?  
> 
> While I no longer have it, I (and 2 friends) kept a log of each episode
> name when they were originally broadcast many years ago.  While I did, at
> one point, decide I should "get a life", and dumped all my Trek stuff,
> including the aforementioned guide, I am sure I recall Man Trap as being
> the first episode broadcast.  The broadcast date on the video box also
> corresponds to when networks used to  begin their new seasons, so it
> appears to be the first.
> 
> 

The Man Trap is definatly the first episode "broadcast", on Sept. 8, 1966.
What I was curious was the order that the episodes were shot.  Since
my "Starlog" guide lists The Man Trap fifth, not first, it is not listed
in broadcast order.  So I just wanted to know what order the listing
was in, shooting order was my guess.
Thanks anyway.  
-Cathy


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From: gbloom@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dark Elf (Gregg Bloom))
Subject: Re: ST: TNG- The Next Phase
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 17:35:47 GMT

Yet again, goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) moans:
>Hi. Not meaning to start a discussion already done to death,
>but, over the weekend I was watching this episode with my
>6 year old daughter. About half way through she turns to me
>and says, 'but mommy, why don't they just fall through the
>floor?'. After having read all the discussion when the episode
>first aired, I almost fell through the floor laughing. 8-)
>
>                                          Patti Twigg

Relativity?  Y' got me....

BTW -->  Bright kid ya got there...

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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: STVI
    <wcsbeau.715955591@cunews>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:07:57 GMT

wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:

>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller) writes:

>>>In one episode of ST:TNG, I heard Troi referred to as "Sir".  Does any
>>>one know why "sir" instead of "ma'am"?0

>>Presumably because she's an officer.  Therefore she was referred to as "sir"
>>for the same reason Lt. Saavik was in Star Trek II.

>So far as I can remember, all females on/in Trek (all series) are
>refered to as "Sir", at least by those of lower rank.  I can't think
>of any times when they were reffered to as "ma'am".  Can anyone else?

   Certainly.  Lt. Valeris was referred to as ma'am in ST6 (the scene
in the transporter room with her co-conspirators)...  personally,
I think the editors slipped up, and let that one get by them.

RC Carman

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From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Beverly Woolf)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: ProLine [pro-woolf] The Woolf's Den BBS & Vintage Hobbies
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 09:05:25 MDT

In <1992Sep11.124647.16730@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
adamson@grok65.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ann Adamson) writes:

>
>Along these lines, I am at 23 weeks and just recently had an ultrasound
>that said I was "probably" having a boy.  But just in case, we need to pick
>a name for a girl too.  The name I really like for a little girl is Jordan.
>Now, this seems to be a real love-hate thing with most people...about half
>love it and the other half say "but that's a boy's name!"  My brother 
>absolutely HATES it.
>
>Anyway, any advice from people with cross-gender names or children who have
>them?  Does this end up being a real pain or do most people like it?
>
>Ann Adamson

My sister's name is Michael and she wouldn't change it for the world.  She
thought it was great when upon entering junior high school, she was sent a
letter to go and get a physical and try out for the football team.  My
daughter's name is Morgan and she likes that name also.  We framed her notice
that was sent to her to register for the draft.  She thought that was great,
but was a little worried when she first received it.  


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From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
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Subject: Re: DS9 rumor
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:05:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <i931053@pro-woolf.cts.com> bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Beverly Woolf) writes:
>stop and think twice about losing control. He has a weakness for baseball,
>a sport that died out in the 22nd century and he frequently goes to a
>holo-suite to have a chat and a catch with one his legendary ballplayer 
>heroes. 

ACK!! Baseball died out in the 22nd century!??  And I thought Trek
was supposed to represend a good future of mankind.

Rick

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From: andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews)
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Subject: Unedited error on "Up The Long Ladder"
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:25:27 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
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Whilst re-watching Up The Long Ladder the other day, I noticed, at the
point where Riker and [Polaski?] are surprised and stunned by the cloned
people and dragged off, as Riker is dragged (supposedly unconscious)
off-camera he clearly glances toward the camera as he disappears off screen;
Jonathan Frakes presumably thinking that "it's time to get up again now,
I'm off camera".

Andy


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From: bburnet@eng.clemson.edu (barry burnett)
Subject: Re: warp drive and other 10-step scales (s
Reply-To: bburnet@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:09:22 GMT

In article 94838@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <9JuHqB5w164w@kryton.UUCP>, ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine
>Beckstead) writes:
>>
>>Ahh so you can't go passed warped 10 either.  Makes perfect sense.  I
>>guess the TNG writers were correct about the warp 10 barrier.  :-)
>
>In some episode, Riker says that exceeding warp 10 results in time travel.
>--
>Constantinos A. Caroutas
>
>"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."

According to the ST:TNG Technical Manual ,  Velocity increases asymptotically as WARP 10 is approached.  Therefore,  WARP 10 is equivalent to infinite velocity.  The manual states that this would lead to the object simultaneously occupying all points in the universe at once.



From: smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:57:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Scotty's return:  What rank?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
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/ hpdmd48:rec.arts.startrek.current / rchen@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ronald K. Chen) /  8:35 pm  Sep  7, 1992 /
Anyone taking bets on what rank Mr. Scott will have when he returns
to TNG?  By my observation, he was a commander in TWOK, a captain in TSFS,
a commander again in TVH, and a captain again in TFF and TUC.  

I guess he and Riker have trouble accepting authority.
----------

Why, he'll be a chief, of course.   

[:)]

scott (no relation)
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Subject: Re: _War_Drums_ Review: *SPOILERS*
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 23:22:10 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Sep9.014800.12150@news.iastate.edu>, wity@iastate.edu (Wity
Ganda) says:
>
>>
>
>Did you really spend 22 hours to read it???  NOT 2 HOURS?
>And you claimed 22 hours as your fastest reading?  Come on .. 8-)
>
I deducted the other times when I have to work and study.  Besides, I finished
reading it when the whole Labor Day weendend was a washout.  I've been reading
every Star Trek novel since book 1, and that includes TNG novels.  In almost
every case, I tend to read the novel as if I'm watching an episode.  Sort of
having a holodeck in my brain... P-)
From: sundaram@cps.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram)
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Subject: BORG : Why are they all humans ..... (An Idea)
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:04:26 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: sundaram@arctic.cps.msu.edu

OK, I have been reading this thread and thought that I would post a thought 
that entered my mind (these things happen every once in a while 8->):

	Some one mentioned that the BORG had assimilated humans before they
	encountered the Big E. Would it not be interestiing if the BORG 
	turned out to be HUMANS whose society had evolved in a different
	way to Earth's. They end up becoming "machines" whereas on earth (or
	the earth dominated Federation) go to the other extreme and put great
	emphasis on individuality. 

	Given this, is it not strange that Vulcans, who aspire to be Data-like,
	have not welcomed the Borg?

Any thoughts, ideas, elaborations and developments on this idea/theme would be
most welcome.

Later y'all

Divya
(sundaram@cps.msu.edu)
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:55:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.061314.42689@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> demirtjis@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Ann Demirtjis) writes:


>	I have a question concerning the episode "The Next Phase". At the
>end of the show, Picard is seen saying to Dr Crusher the following: "If she 
>hadn't lost her rank in the incident on Galon 4 (sp?), I think she would have 
>been Lieutenant Commander by now". I assume he was speaking about Ro since 
>earlier in the episode Ro said something about Picard having given her a chance
>when nobody else did. What is this all about?? 


Heh.  Just chalk this one up to another "unsolved mystery".  Didn't you
know that it's easier to create a veiled mystery about a major
character's past to increase their intrigue factor than to actually
explain what that past might be?  TNG writers sure operate this way.
Let's list them, shall we?

-	How was Picard involved in Jack Crusher's death?

-	_Are_ JLP and Beverly involved? i.e., what does she want to tell
	hime every time they're placed in mortal danger?

-	What's Guinan all about?  Where'd they find this woman/being?
	What's her connection to JLP?

and now...

-	What the hell did Ro do that was so godawful that they can't 
	tell us about it?


I _demand_ answers!  Well, not really, but it would be nice.  I'm sick
of being teased by writers who aren't prepared to answer any of their
own questions.



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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Plots for 2 shows
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:52:32 GMT

dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.232521.3083@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1 (Tim R Witort) writes:
>>I missed a couple of episodes and need a brief plot description for:

>Here's all you need to know (IMHO):

>>1) Imaginary Friend

>Lame.  Lame, lame, lame.

>>2) Cost of Living

>Lamest.  Toxic waste.  Avoid at all cost.  Level 1 isolation protocol.

>-- 
>Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu


     I remember Imaginary Friend. i hated it too. However, I don't remember
Cost of Living even though I have seen it. Could someone just say a line or
two to refresh my memory. I do remember that this group really went off on it
but I thought that I actually tolerated, and maybe liked it. Any help us appre-
ciated. 

Regards,
Cory Padfield

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From: thomask@rocky.rmhs.colorado.edu (Thomas C Kerrigan)
Subject: Re: I Borg question  (spoiler?)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:57:12 GMT
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From: cde@kepler.unh.edu (Charles D Elfe)
Subject: Re: The Borg are here!!!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:59:28 GMT



All of the recent Borg controversy I had read with extreme detachment, until
moments ago, when I stood face-to-face with... (deep breath)... a Borg: 
a single nozzle, hot-air, wall-mounted hand drier, model A-5. (It was even
UL tested! - Oh, No!) Gut-wrenchingly shocked, I rushed out, down the hallway 
to my Data General 211 terminal to warn the world, if it was not too late 
already.

Now, that I've had a few seconds to compose myself, I have begun to remember 
some of the details of the label. It seems that the Borg are being backed by 
corporate America: it was listed as a *division* of the Beatrice Corp. (Yikes!)

:)

To be even more specific, the hand driers are from an engineering firm called
Borg-Warner. Does this mean that the Borg will appear on Babylon 5 as well? :)

Charles
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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: STNG Unification??
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.073507.23493@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins314l@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Justin Keene) writes:
>
>	I happened to have seen a preview for an up and coming STNG feature
>film called Unification.  The preview was set in the STNG era and had
>Spock in it (REAL old too).  Also appearing in it is Lt. Yar (spelling?) who
>looked quite healthy considering I thought she was dead!!
>
>Does anybody happen to have anymore info on this film?
>I'm curious about how Yar got back into the Movie, and exactly how old
>can Vulcans become??  
>--

You're in Australia, right?  Unification was the ending of last season's
episodes over here.  At least I think it was last season.  At any rate,
been done here already.

Possible spoilers for some, so.....




Yar isn't actually Yar, but Tasha Yar's daughter by somme Romulan who
captured her after the battle she went to die in (can't remember the
name).  Seems Yar ccaught the eye of some Romulan high muckety muck and
became his "consort" to save the lives of the other survivors of the
battle.

Vulcans, as we know from TOS, live to become hundreds of years old.
After all, Spock's *father* was on TNG, so they must live an awfully
long time.  I seem to recall somewhere somone saying that Spock's dad
was 500 years old?  Don't flame me if I'm wrong, please!  I though that
Benzai's Syndrome (sp?) only hit Vulcans over 500.  Any way, they live a
long time!

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From: kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH)
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
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Date:  8 Sep 1992 10:09 EST  

In article <matt.715562313@unidata.ucar.edu>, matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes...
>>Probalbly in a love den somewhere...and freeing their minds with "LDS" :-)
>>It was conceived in the 60's after all! 
> 
>I know, I know, you're never supposed to post just to correct someone's
>spelling, but "LDS"?! You spell it when you say it, and if you can't
>do one, you can't do the other. To quote Julie Brown: "I can't spell VW,
>but I drive a Porsche."
> 
>Sorry.
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No need for apologies.  I just wanted to use Kirk's mispelling of the 
acronym (ST IV). 

Greg
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From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
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Subject: Re: trek food
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:08:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Hits at our party were:
	gach (jello covered gummi worms)
	"Mother Picard's Saucer Section Cookies" (Chocolate Chip, of course)
	Pangalactic Gargle Blasters (oops, wrong show/book/tape)
	Fried Gorn Scales (Doritos corn chips)

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From: vickrey@guinan.enet.dec.com (Susan Vickrey)
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Subject: Re: Problem with Scotty, period...
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:30:09 GMT
Reply-To: vickrey@guinan.enet.dec.com (Susan Vickrey)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO


The way Jimmy Doohan told the story to a few thousand people several 
years ago in Denver is that as he landed on the beach at Normandy during
the D-day invasion (that little fracas in northwest Europe in early 
June, 1944), he was hit by (as I recall) 8 bullets.  At this point
he held up his damaged hand with the shortened fingers.

While he was recovering in England, he saw on a bulletin board 
somewhere a notice that some organization was looking for pilots to 
fly observation planes.  He volunteered.  And that's how he got to be
a pilot.  I think the bad boy reputation was referenced in "The Making
of Star Trek".

If you ever get the chance to see Jimmy Doohan at a convention, GO! 
The man is a fascinating speaker.

Susan Vickrey
From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: the new math (biology, actually)
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:50:18 GMT
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In article <matt.715913598@unidata.ucar.edu> matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:
>her eggs (I have no idea what this one is called). Another mother 
>protecting her young theme, but Kirk ends up saying, "There is nothing
>more dangerous than a wounded animal." Maybe incidents exploring
>other planets changed the "dangerous things/situations" hierarchy?
>
Of course, unknown to Kirk, the "mother protecting her young" comment was
the applicable one.  However, he thought he was just dealing with a 
wounded animal, and he probably though that it would be kind of stupid
to say:  "There is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal.
Except, of course, a mother protecting her young, but there aren't
any of those around here." so he abbreviated a bit.
From: wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz)
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Subject: Re: Explanation of Inner Light
Date: 14 Sep 1992 21:51:23 GMT
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In article <1992Sep14.171434.21168@mlb.semi.harris.com> mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
>I just saw "Inner Light" for the first time this weekend, and
>really got lost at the end.  I didn't understand how Pickard's
>wife and friend could all of a sudden show up at the end, just
>as the missile was being launched....and what happened to 
>Pickard's character on the planet after he returned to
>consiousness on the Enterprise?  It really threw me.
>
>Can someone please explain this to me or direct me to a 
>ftp site with "episode explanations".

And to think that I felt this fine episode could have been improved by
moving the enterprise scenes to the end. My husband agreed, but said
that people wouldn't understand it at all unless they had these "helper"
sections to explain that he was experiencing another life but not present
physically on this world -- it was all in his mind (a "what is reality?"
parable.)

If you are still confused, read "The Dream Millennium" by James White.
It's not a ST book, but it is a classic in the genre, and developed this
idea more fully.

By the way, The Inner Light is bar-none the best TNG episode they have made!
The simplicity and beauty of living a good and kind life is something we rarely
see lauded in the cynical world of today. I hope the writer does more work
with TNG.

Lynne Jolitz.


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