HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Re: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 01:22:20 EST
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

root@mis.ish.de (Michael Schulz    ) writes:
>> you are right but there are a lot of useful extensions. ;-))
>Tell me more about it.
>Are there any comfortable Mailreaders ?? Or anything like this nice 
>tools ??

I know several people are working on Mail/News readers for Waffle.  I'm 90%
finished with a Windows version.
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 01:09:49 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <L9P3iB2w165w@questor.wimsey.bc.ca> sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing) writes:

>The overhead associated with the "pretty ANSI" screens often exceeds the
>content of the message you are trying to get across.

The issue, at least with me, isn't the fancy colour, altho that _is_
important. The issue is whether or not the average user can find his
way around comfortably or not - and it is my contention that with
Waffle, he cannot.

This isn't the 'fault' of the basic Waffle system - we all know how
powerful it is. The 'fault' (if folks insist on using the term), to
me, is the lack of _choices_ about the interface.

>The *caller* should be responsible for how "pretty" he wants the incoming
>data to be.  *His* newsreader should be adding the colors.  There are already

Callers to typical dos boxes can decide whether or not they want
graphics - here they can't, but that's still not _my_ primary concern.
I'd like to see MENUS, which can be turned on or off as the user
prefers - then I could default new users to full menu,, and know they
would learn to navigate much more quickly.

>calls in, sees the lack of ANSI, and leaves quicker than a bullet.

It isn't ANSI, or its lack - it's the lack of friendly guidance. I've
done a lot of work with the 'menu' screens, but they aren't enough.

[comments about good guys using newsgroups and contributing to the net
omitted]

Perhaps - but that's assuming they stick around long enough to
discover where all those newsgroups ARE.

>Finally... the *awful waffle* files section:  It is up for a complete
>re-working, but WHEN TOM HAS THE TIME.  Again, I don't care if it *ever*
>gets re-written, as I don't care for file hogs to dial in anyway.

I am not concerned about file hogs - I have enough lines so they
simply aren't important to me one way or the other - the issue is the
same here - FRIENDLY or UNFRIENDLY?

-- 
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From: macheske@aero.org (Richard M. Macheske)
Subject: Do you use a Telebit T1600 modem?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:48:33 GMT

I recently aquired a Telebit T1600 modem.  I was wondering if anyone
out there running a waffle bbs uses this modem.  If you do, could you
send the setting you use on your fossil driver if you use one and
also your static file setting related to the modem.

Thank in advance....Rick Macheske
macheske@aero.org
From: cory@lambada.UUCP (Cory West)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
Keywords: Arguments
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:11:35 GMT
Organization: Lambda Network Consulting - Houston, TX - (713) 528-0285

cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz (Phil Ross) writes:

> Fine fine fine fine.  Argue all you like.  But Tom Dell may well see this
> argument as a waste of time, and you guys aren't going to get the feature
> you want / don't want by arguing about it.  For those of you that want Zmodem
> but have to put up with UUCP-g protocol, do something about it!
> Do some tests, record the results and post them here.  Test what happens
> if the remote end drops carrier.  Test error recovery, test speed, test
> everything.  I'm sure Tom Dell would consider making it a feature of Waffle
> if he had some proof that it would be worth his while.

        I plan on doing more than that.  One of the first things on
my summer project list is a Waffle/DOS Zmodem protocol.  One would
be able to disable the g protocol and use Zmodem without any source
modifications or strange hacks.  After that's up, we'll see just who
uses what. 
        I never claimed that Zmodem was the end all be all of protocols,
but I dare say that it will meet my needs far better than the g protocol 
in it's current Waffle/DOS incarnation.
        Also, I very well may cancel this project if I feel that the new
packet sizes of 1.65 fix the problems that I am having.  Time will
only tell.  I only wish I had a beta of 1.65 but I have neglected to 
register this version since I started using it in the beginning of 
November and 1.65 was "just around the corner".  

Cory West    	  | Vox: (713) 528-5765  | InterNet: corywest@rice.edu
2003 McClendon #2 | WWIVnet: 1 @7353     | UUCP: lambada!cory@rice.edu
Houston, TX 77030 | BBS: (713) 528-0285  | [N-8-1, v.32bis, 24hrs/day!]
From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Anonymous posting under 1.64
Summary: making anonymous posts more anonymous
Keywords: DOS Waffle, anonymous posting
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:06:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.waffle
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

In article <1992Apr8.140827.11293@mercury.unt.edu> darren@sol.acs.unt.edu (Darren Paul Loher) writes:
>Well, if someone was curious about who actually posted anonymously, all they
>would have to do is type 'list' and get a list of the last 20 or so callers.

Oh, I get it. I suppose you could give thought to disabling the list-callers
function --that would help to hide who's been on and achieve a higher
security. It would also prevent callers from making the comparisons that you
speak of.

>Is there a way to modify the output of the 'LIST' command, without the
>source code?  I don't remember seeing anything about it in the static file.

I don't THINK so, unless you want to pull out a binary editor and monkey with
the waffle.exe file. I did that so that the 'poof' command was replaced by a
simple 'g' --and then set 'poof ok' to a trusted user level (mine :) BTW, I
used Norton's diskedit to do it. However --work on a COPY of the .exe file,
lest you do something really ukky. :-)
-- 
root@dogear.spk.wa.us - Bob Kirkpatrick, Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
"...I know it when I see it."  --potter stewart
From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:07:11 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz

>frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:
>
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> I decided to try and make Waffle look a little better and design some
>> ANSI screens for the login sequence (as the BBS wimps like these things).
>>
>> I made an attractive screen (took me two hours) and replaced the 'entry'
>> file with it.  Now, when a caller connects they see the attractive screen
>> and are then asked for their login information.  This works fine.
>>
>> However, things go "bump" when attempting a site calls via UUCICO to send
>> me some mail/news.  I've simulated this on my other computer to find out
>> what is happening, the modems connect, UUCICO begins looking for the
>> 'NEW:' prompt (this is Waffle UUCICO btw) but instead is inundated with
>> this ANSI screen stuff.
>>
>> It doesn't even let 4 ANSI lines go by before it gets uppity and says,
>> "Login failed, never got NEW:".
>>
>> Any tunable parameters for this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Steve Frampton (frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca), Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
>> "Sometimes I tune my car radio to static and pretend I'm flying an F-16"

Fancy login screens shouldn't happen with networked systems until
*AFTER* the login: password: pair.  All it does is waste network
connection time displaying a fancy screen that the other computer could
care less about and can't understand anyway.

Besides, as you found out, it screws up your send/expect chat script.
I suggest you more your fancy screen to the 'welcome' file.

-- Bob

InterNet: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com 	       | Raven Enterprises
    UUCP: ...rutgers!bobsbox!bobl	       | 25 Raven Avenue
  BitNet: bobl%bobsbox.rent.com@pucc	       | Piscataway, NJ 08854
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From: system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle & result codes
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:11:41 GMT
Organization: Micro-Medic +1 408 280 1610

otto@palikka.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
> In article <8qewiB1w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batche
>    Waffle 1.64 currently doesn't recognize result codes like
>    CONNECT 14400 or CONNECT 12000.  I had to add an S27=128 to the init
>    string to disable result codes greater than 9600, else Waffle thinks
>    V.32bis logins are at 300 baud.
> 
> It's there in 1.65 beta8.  Should be OK for USRobotics, anyone say for others

Another one that would be nice is "NO DIALTONE".

(I know, I can fix it by changing ATX# but that's beside the point)


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Static file parameters for From_ line
From: patrick@actrix.gen.nz (Pat Cain)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:08:46 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <eHHBJB1w164w@wolferts.ka.sub.org> dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org (Dr. Klaus Wolferts) writes:
> Now there is a problem with the configuration of Waffle 1.64 mail:
> after my domain name had been accepted by the domain supervisor, he and 
> my smarthost sysop asked me to change my configuration. 
> The first line 'From_dkw ...' (not the 'From: ...' line; read the '_' as 
> whitespace!) should be changed into 'From_wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw ...' 

It is not possible to configure the From_ line in Waffle 1.64.  This
causes problems for some sites.  We had to write a program to change
the From_ line in mail messages.  I think that's the only way to fix
it in Waffle 1.64.  It will be configurable in 1.65 with the uucpfrom:
line in the static file.

If you are unable to fix it with a program then try contacting Thomas
Dell and seeing whether you can grab a copy of the beta version of
1.65 which fixes the problem.

> So I tried a special trick for the moment: I manually changed the first 
> line in the data file created from mail in spool\flatlin before sending 
> it to flatlin to       "From_wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw ..."    
> and the receiver got   "From_wolferts!wolferts.ka.sub.org!dkw ..."  

My From_ is set to go out as From user@sideways.welly.gen.nz <date etc>
I don't think Waffle is adding the extra bang, maybe like his software..
Try making it From dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org.

Pat.
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From: hho@aludra.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Unix for PC...
Date: 9 Apr 1992 07:31:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview


Has anyone ever successful running Unix on 386/486??
386BSD is the berkeley Unix, Linux is another one...
On the commercial side I hear of one from Sun, call Sun PC???

What would be the advantage for me to switch from DOS to Unix??
I think the one from sun, we can run DOS prg too..

John

In article <7i6ViB1w164w@rhutch> john@rhutch (John Strittmatter) writes:
>> With a soon-to-be stable 386BSD release and an already quite stable and
>> usable free UNIX clone (Linux), no, the cost factor is more the other
>> direction now. :-) I don't know if anyone has compiled WAFFLE under
>> Linux yet, but I'm pretty confident it would work using a make for any
>> sysvr3. I've had next to no problems in getting some fairly sizeable
>> applications (which already work under Sys V) working under Linux.
>
>Linux???  Where can I get a copy of this?
>
>John
>uunet!rutgers!devon!sojurn!rhutch!john
From: peterson@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:02:11 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Zeitgeist BBS, Plano, TX  214 596 3720

scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes:

> But then you have the problem of having to find another editor besides vi
> to work with elm.  You can't use vi, because they can read-in your waffle
> password file, as well as /etc/passwd.
> Not a good thing.

  elm works quite well with other editors, e.g., MicroEMACS.  (I
actually use MicroEMACS with elm on my Sun, as well as with MS-DOS
Waffle in local mode.)  I know microemacs can be configured to operate
in a restricted mode.  Besides, you get sources.

  Other possible editors might include BBSTEVIE, MicroGNUEMACS, or any
of a number of other publically available editors.

> Scott

    Bob

Bob Peterson          Waffle BBS: peterson@ZGNews.LoneStar.Org
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Plano, Tx 75086-5132  BBS: 214 596-3720 @1200, 2400, 9600-14400 (HST & V.32bis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 01:25:22 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island
Keywords: alias

In article <RDesiB5w165w@halcyon.com> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>> That's a good beginning, but what on earth does "LOG" have to do with
>> changing file AREAS or DIRECTORIES?

>Maybe because you need to 'log' into a new directory?

Hiya, old son - long time since tuthernet days, eh? I don't know about
you big city fellas, but folks around here cut their teeth on my early
fidotech boards, and they most certainly speak dos and only dos
98.10221 per cent of the time.

I can't find "log" in my dos manual, and that's the problem. _I_
figured out what it meant, as have a few of my users, but the vast
majority hasn't. "CD" they might relate to, but "log" is a foreign
word..... "A)rea Change" gets immediate response :-)



-- 
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"There is hardly anything in the world that some  man cannot make a
little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider
price only are this man's lawful prey." (John Ruskin)
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: STEVIE/BBSTEVIE as external editors. [UNIX]
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:45:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybrspc.23awiB3w165w
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

jhood@banana.ithaca.ny.us (John Hood) writes:

> Lest anybody accuses us of being biased, I should point out that we
> are :)  Bill, I think, maintains bbstevie, an editor with
> user-restriction facilities, and I've written a little chroot editor
> shell.  Both should be available from the waffle archives, or you can
> ask me for the chroot shell.

And you can get BBStevie from the source (ok, bad pun....):

file-request%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu

/GET bbstevie/bbstvi22.zip

BBStevie specifically allows users to read in files from their home
directory, if a directory is specified in the restricted command line.

Now, if I ever get done beta-testing WWCP, I'll finish the wrapmargin
enhancements... :-)
--
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From: sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle BBS wanted
Summary: Error in how to request
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 09:04:21 PDT
Organization: Questor: Free Usenet News: Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing) writes:

=> caxrudt@pkinbg.UUCP (Hr. Rudolf,EXTERN, ) writes:
=> 
=> => can anyone please tell me where to get the Waffle BBS program from?
=> 
=> Sure... Waffle 1.64 can be requested from the archive server here.
=> 
=> Just send a mail message to:
=> 
=>      archive-server@questor.wimsey.bc.ca
=> 
=> with the following line (only) in the body of the text:
=> 
=>      get public/waffle/waff164.zip

My error... the above line should have been:

        get waffle/waff164.zip

Sorry for any inconvenience!

--
    Steve Pershing, System Administrator

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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Argh!  Give Me Some Space!
Keywords: memory,dos,desqview
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:03:33 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

yikes@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Hansen) writes:
> is MUCH faster than the beta that I had.  Not to mention all the other
> advantages of OS/2 2.0, such as side-by-side multitasking of Windows and
> OS/2 native programs,

"Side-by-side"?  Last time I saw OS/2 you had to fire up a Windows desktop
inside an OS/2 window in order to run Windows applications.  Has this
changed?


mathew
-- 
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for them.
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:27:40 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

gil@datasrv.chi.il.us (Gil Ben-Noon) writes:

> I'd like to know if there is a program that similar to waffle BUT I don't
> want to allow the users of the waffle to operate the program as a BBS,
> just for their own use.

There are NO programs similar to Waffle. :-)

Disable the features in Waffle that you don't want them to use.  Waffle
is an exceptionally fine offline news and mail reader.
From: chris@surfcty.UUCP (Chris Johnston)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle BBS - Kansas City Area
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:01:23 GMT
Organization: Surf City Software, Orange, Calfornia - DUDE!

Is there a listing available for Waffle-based BBS systems
in the greater Kansas City, KS area?

I have a user on my waffle BBS that has a brother there
who would like to gain access to internet e-mail.

If this list exists, please e-mail or post this group.

Thank you.

Chris


Chris D. Johnston       714/289-8543 (Voice) 8AM~7PM PST
Surf City Software      714/289-1002 (Fax)
Orange, CA  92669       AppleLink: SURF.CITY
chris@surfcty.UUCP      surfcty!chris@UUNET.UU.NET
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: [XENIX] No Such User - still cannot alias mail to self!
From: tim@qed.cts.com (Tim Capps)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:46:57 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA
Keywords: alias

patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:

> I don't want to see Waffle turned into the run of the mill BBS.  Remember
> (and I'll get hassled for saying this) if you get the source then you
> can make things look how you like.  If Tom spent his time making Waffle
> idiot proof then we probably wouldn't have all the UUCP stuff.

(Sigh) Just how much time to you think Tom spends on the UUCP stuff?
Very little on the **ix platforms, I can tell you.  On Dos, it works, and
has for quite some time.  The changes the the UUCP stuff come under the
'tweaks' category.  The code is already good, fairly robust, and functional.

The area that needs the most work are the User Interface.  With the current
talk about off-line QWK readers, and Chrome, I think this is pretty clear.

On the source code thing:  Having source is nice, but I really don't want to
go making wholesale changes.  If I do, then I have a MAJOR problem the next
time Tom comes out with an update.  As he does real good work, I WANT his
upgrades.  Therefore, hacking the source on a large scale is just not
practical.

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From: jlaiho@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:42:23 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

> When I try it, waffle seems to check its own user list, and if the user
> isn't found, it complains and won't send it.
> 
Yes. You have to use different node names for Waffle and the rest of the
system.
I have my system named ichaos.nullnet, the waffle is named
field.ichaos.nullnet. (NullNet is our local UUCP-network, almost 30
hosts at the moment)
I use smail3.1.24 as mailer on my system, and at the end of this message
are my configuration files concerning Waffle/smail-interface.

> What I'm looking for is a way to tell it: don't check, just pass messages
> off to xenix and let it bounce them if necessary.
> 
Two ways to do this: arrange your Waffle to have different node name or
do some source hacking.

Ok, here is a bunch of sliced configuration files..

.smail/routers:
pathalias: driver=pathalias, method=normal, always;
	proto=bsearch, file=paths
************************************

.smail/transports:
mailin: driver=pipe,
	inet,
	from,
	max_addrs=1,
	max_chars=80;
	cmd="/usr/waffle/bin/mailin $user",
	umask=0022,
	log_output,
	pipe_as_sender
************************************

.smail/methods/normal:
field mailin
* uux
************************************

.waffle/extern/_system:
mail    /command="/usr/bin/rmail -f %A@field.ichaos.nullnet %i"
************************************

/etc/waffle (aka waffle/system/static)
node         : field.ichaos.nullnet
mail         : %A (%W)
news         : %A (%W)
netmail      : %W <%A@%n>
netnews      : %W <%A@%n>
************************************

.I wonder whether this is of any help for anyone...

Juha Laiho/jlaiho@cc.Helsinki.FI