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From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Origin of Starboard (was Wheel steering on small boats)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:14:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <C1H2FL.4AC@metaflow.com>, mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson)
wrote:
> 
> In article <1993Jan26.101222.5385@alcatel.no>, vatne@alcatel.no (Lars Vatne) writes:
> |> And. as y'all know, the steering oar used by the vikings was called
> |> "styri", and was the origin of "starboard" (or "styrbord" in Norwegian). 
> |> The oar is of course mounted on starboard, check out the vikingships in
> |> Bygdoy, Oslo, Norway the next time you're around, and we can go for a 
> |> sail afterwards (my boat's just five minutes down the road from there).
> |> -- 
> |> Lars Vatne                     Phone  : +47 22 63 76 51    
> |> Engineering Division           Fax    : +47 22 63 84 97  
> |> Alcatel Telecom Norway AS      e-mail : lars.vatne@alcatel.no
> |> 
> 
> Now that we know the *real* origin of starboard, what is the
> origin of port ?
> 
> 
> 
>        _                       Gary Gibson
> E-mail: mgm@metaflow.com

One version I've heard is that, because of the styri, you had to tie up
with the opposite side of the boat against the wharf.  Thus, that side is
the side that's  "to port".  This may, of course, be completely apocryphal.

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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: s5umws@fnma.COM (Michael Stalnaker)
Subject: Re: Two-day courses offered by North Sail
Reply-To: s5umws@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:09:12 GMT

In article 1pz@panix.com, spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes:
>tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes:
>
>>In this couple months' Crusing World magazine, North Sail has
>>ad. about their two-day classes on sail handling for $140.
>>I am one like to learn by doing instead of listing/reading,
>>but the price is not too bad if it is rated "EXCELLENT!".
>
>The North Smart Course and Fast Course are excellent and well worth
>the cost. OTOH, sailhandling is a bit more hands-on than reasoning out
>the best side of the course ....
>
>dhs     spencer@panix.com


Comments on both of the courses:  They are *both* excellent courses, whether you're 
just getting into racing, or have been racing for a long time. 

The smart course is more of a tactics/stratgey session, and teaches alot of stuff about how
to track the wind, how to take advantage of wind shifts/speed changes, etc.. I'd reccommend
it for *anyone* who races, even if your only job is grinding winches. You'll get  a much better
feel for what's going on around you..

The fast course is *execllent* for teaching you fundamentals and some advanced techniques
for sail trimming, including mains, genoas, spinnakers, and when I took it, even bloopers.

--mike


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: peder@tamarack14.cray.com (Peder Sterling)
Subject: Re: When is Minneapolis Boat Show?
Originator: peder@tamarack14
Reply-To: peder@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:27:49 CST


> So may I step down from the soapbox to finally inquire if
> anyone can fill me in on the Twin Cities boat shows date/time/place?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Bob Niemi, Astronautics, Madison, WI   ...uwvax!astroatc!niemi

The Minneapolis Boat Show runs Wednesday - Sunday, Jan. 27th - 31st, at the
Minneapolis Convention Center. The shows hours are:

Wednesday	Thursday	Friday	     Saturday	       Sunday
5 - 10 p.m.	12 - 10 p.m.	12 - 10 p.m. 10 a.m. - 10 p.m. 10 a.m. - 5 p.m.

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tomm@hank.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey)
Subject: Re: FOR SAIL 1986 O'DAY 19.2
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:22:46 GMT

In article <1k654jINNlkb@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>One owner bought new in Birmingham Ala. in 1986....Always kept in Dry 
>Storage when not in use.
>
>Has main and roller furling jib......4 horse johnson....... tilt trailer 
>with telescoping tongue...also has anchor, life vest,cushions and canopy.  
>  $5500.00 

>rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu


I hate to burst your bubble, but with the current very soft market for
used boats, you will be lucky to get much over half your asking price.

I recently saw an older Catalina 27 with asking price of $5800 in the
Puget Sound area.  I see San Juan 21's fairly often with asking prices 
around $3000.  I wish you very sincerely the best of luck; it just
isn't a good time to be selling a used boat, even if it is fairly new and
in good condition.

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From: rdm@zehntel.com (Richard Davis-Minter)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: re: Sanfrancisco boat show
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:39:47 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Teradyne Inc, ATE Division, Walnut Creek, CA

>From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)

>This weekend I attended, for the first time in many years, the San Francisco 
>Sports and boat show.   To say that I was disappointed would be an understatement 
>- I was shocked (and somewhat depressed).  There were hardly any sail boats at the
>show!  



    You need to go to the "Alameda in the water boat show" which
by the way is held at Jack London Square in Oakland! This show
is geared much more towards sail boats, although there is still
a great many power boats on display. This show is strickly boating
oriented, as opposed to the Cow Palace show which has many non-boating
displays. This show is coming up sometime in the early spring,   
I can't remember the exact dates right now, but I can find out if
you want.





                 Richard Davis-Minter
                 All Hands II
                 WAD8159

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From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boat Show
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:16:36 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman) writes:
>In article 11437@cbnewsj.cb.att.com, legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson
>) writes:
>> In article <106693@netnews.upenn.edu> karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haa
>vik) writes:
>> >Man looking at Catalina 30: 'I don't like this one as much.  It doesn't have
>> >                             a microwave.'
>>    He must have just come from the Hunter display. Microwaves and Video
>> Casette Players are standard (no kidding).
>I don't suppose the microwaves are gimbaled.

Alright you guys (and gals)-- Have your fun.  I once snickered like
that too.  But I've gotten to really appreciate the microwave and a
few other landlubber appliances.  I've done my share of backpacking
and sailing under spartan conditions.  (Several times, my brother and
I sailed our 17' 450# Thistle on 1000 to 1500 mile trips crammed to
the gunnels with Scuba gear, tents and whatnot-- that's spartan.)

But snickers aside, one day even one of you may appreciate such
conveniences when some of the spring has left your step.  'Taint for
everybody, but we aren't sub-human either.  :-)

-- Bob

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From: keithg@kronos.com (Keith Gattozzi)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: 1985 Stingray Boat For Sale
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:57:11 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.


1985 19 foot Stingray Cuddy Cabin, low hours, 190 HP Fresh Water Cooled I/O,      
Power steering, dual swim platforms, full cover, VHF, stereo, Ritche Compass
Porta Poti, sleeps 2 underneath and 2 on fold down seats, Blue/white hull, 
Caulkins drive on roller trailer, bearing buddies, Mercruiser Engine and 
outdrive.  Very reliable boat. Will do 40 MPH. Well taken care of. 
I will store it for the winter and it is currently winterized. Outdrive taken
off every year to grease and replace all gaskets. Boat uses approx 4 gal /hour.

Excellent condition

I bought this boat new in 85 and will be upgrading to a larger boat.

Price $8000/ BO

Boat is in Cape Cod MA

Call 508-473-4627 after 5 or mail me.
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Boat Show
Summary: Almost forgot...
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:02:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Jan27.190238.12382
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <106693@netnews.upenn.edu> karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik) writes:
>Speaking of dubious sailboat designs, amateur sailors, etc., here's my favorite
>quote from the Philly boat show:
>
>Man looking at Catalina 30: 'I don't like this one as much.  It doesn't have
>                             a microwave.'

   I almost forgot. I think I have this beat. I overheard this one two
years ago at the Newport International Sailboat Show. I was below on a
Beneteau First 35 (350, 351C, or whatever the hell they call their 35
footer) where a man was about to sign on the dotted line. The salesman
was describing the boat's equipment:

Salesman: "...and this boat comes standard with two speed self tailing
           winches!"

Buyer:    "What's a winch?"

   I got out of there pronto before I lost it.

Wayne (who knows what a winch is) Simpson
From: ibromberg@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: split rec.boats??
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:59:05 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

As mentioned in an earlier reply to the post about splitting the newsgroup,
all boaters share the water, but those of us interested in sail boats may have
different goals and perspectives than those interested in power boats. I would
vote to split the group as a mere convenience. I am interested in sail boats. 
If I was interested in power boats, or other means of waterborne
transportation, and a separate newsgroup existed, I could find topics of 
interest in that newsgroup without having to wade through posts that I didn't 
care for. Simply, I say split.

					A snobby sailor.
					Isaac Bromberg 
Xref: sparky rec.boats:9486 rec.scuba:7187
From: www@Ingres.COM (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.boats,rec.scuba
Subject: Re: From Avon to Zodiac
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:22:00 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

In article <C1FpBF.Hvv@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady) writes:
>In article <lluamqINN5sf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emartini@karoshi.Eng.Sun.COM (Edward William Martini) writes:
>>
>>Some friends and I are interested in purchasing a used, largish inflatable,
>>preferrably with a hull of some kind.  Any info you have regarding where we
>>could get one (surplus?), or other experiences of the sort.
>>
>
>I don't know if this helps . . . But, I thought it was interesting . . . 
>
>The Seven Seas Crusing Association puts out a publication on cruising 
>equipment . . . The most recent one (available for about $10) identifies Avon
>inflatables as being one of the most highly rated inflatables and ranks the'
>Zodiac as being one of the lowest rated.
>
>Somewhere in between were the West Marine brand inflatables.
>

Sure they weren't just listing them alphabetically...? ;-)

(sorry)
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Jet Skis
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:32:16 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1k42j1INNgb@transfer.stratus.com> kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:

   One real big problem with these kind of stuff (jet-skis, sailboards,
   etc) is that people lend one to a friend at the beach or where-ever
   and say "Try this, it's cool."  The person then using the craft likely
   has no knowledge of boat operation, right-of-way rules, what to do if
   you break down/become fatiqued, etc.  This situation has potential for
   disaster.  Would you give your car to someone who has never driven and
   let them have a go because you think they are smart enough to get it
   right on the first try without adequate instruction?


If they're really friends, they'll take care to instruct them properly
provided they themselves know.  Of course, it's extremely difficult to
teach someone how to ride my 650SX without letting them drive it themselves.
My usual instructions are to go slow at first until they get a feel for
it and when in doubt, fall off or shut it down.  Of course, I always
jet ski at a large lake where I'm lucky to encounter 10 boats all day long.

When I got my wake board, the local ski shop gave me a video tape so
I wouldn't seriously injure myself...perhaps they ought to have instructional
videos for Jet Skis as well.

Torsten Weirich

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From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Daggerboard design question
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:18:44 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

T. Scott Thompson writes:
>A perfectly symmetrical (fore and aft) rudder will have a neutral feel
>at almost any rudder angle, for example.

This too is not true.  The neutral point is with the axis of the rudder
post about 1/3 of the way back from the leading edge.  Scott, try this
with an oar or canoe paddle.  The oar will tend to twist broadside to
the flow.  Same thing for a sinking flat rock or a paper flutering to
the ground.  Drop it edge down and it will turn horizontal (though unstable
due to stalling eddies).

-- Bob

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CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Have unix ever /usr/local/bin experienced?)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Give me some Ideas!
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:25:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1k1cspINN2a6@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, tinnin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nathan Tinnin) writes...
>I'm sure it's been used, but I've always like "Heart of Gold" from the
>Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  As it is I plan to name my current boat
>after my wife or daughters.  Good luck!

When I get a boat, I'm gonna name it Disco Suicide, Unorthodox Behavior, or
Elmer Season, so nobody bogart those!




Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mgsail@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (goldstein,marvin)
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats (was Re: Boat Show)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:23:31 GMT


If you're not a racer and just like to cruise with friends, a tiller takes
up too much room in the cockpit.  That's why I put a wheel on my 27 when
I owned one.

Marv
From: dickp@execu.execu.com (Dick Parshall)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Norwalk Islands Sharpies
Keywords: Wooden Boats, Sharpies, Hard Work
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:36:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Comshare, Inc. Austin Development Center

In article <1k6ak2INN3u8@emx.cc.utexas.edu> barney@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Barney McCartney) writes:
#Much to my wife's despair, I'm considering building a 26-foot Norwalk Islands
#Sharpie, a center-board, cat ketch designed by Bruce Kirby.  Anyone know
#anything about these boats?  Kirby's own boat, named _Exit 12_, apparently
#sails out of Norwalk, CT.
#
#I've sent for the study plans, which were advertised in _Wooden Boat_.
#Is my wife right?  Is this the height of folly?

Barney, building your own wooden boat is NEVER the height of folly.  The
height of folly is starting such a project and never finishing it.

Don't forget that the time, work effort, and cost of building a boat increases
at the cube of the length.  Me, I'm starting out a lot smaller: a little 15'
Phil Bolger crab skiff.  

There was an article in _Wooden Boat_ about Australian wooden boat building
not too long ago.  I remember a picture of your dream boat off the coast in 
a real good breeze, with deep reefs in both sails.  A striking boat.  I've
always been curious about the interior space, though, with the big centerboard,
shallow draft, etc., of a big sharpie.

I'm sure there are a lot of rec.boats readers, like me, who would like to see
some progress reports from you on this project.

Good luck.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:22:57 GMT

The bottom of the wheel acts like a tiller if you are getting confused...

David
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: Jet Skis (now sailboards)
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:53:43 GMT

In article <4040@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
[ ... talking about sailboards ... ]
>A beginner is more likely to be struggling in the water or slowly making his way
>downwing at 5 mph.
>
>Unfortunaely with jet skis, you really can just hop on and go. This is the reason
>they apear so inconsiderate. Its mostly lack of experience and real understanding
>of boating and seamanship skills. (maybe that should read seapersonship :-))

Deja Vu.  This sounds an awful lot like the standard "powerboat versus
sailboat" skill-level arguments, doesn't it?  Some things never change,
even if we reduce the size and cost by a factor of 4? perhaps.
:-) :-)

Don
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From: dre@ember.Eng.Sun.COM (David R. Emberson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Rename rec.boats to rec.outdoors.boats
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:36:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ember


rec.outdoors.boats...

Doesn't that seen a tad redundant?

		Dave Emberson
		dre@Eng.Sun.COM

From: laughlin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
From: jholsapp@encore.com (Jeff Holsapple)
Subject: Re: split rec.boats??
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:27:35 GMT

Yet another no vote for splitting the group. Not a high enough volume
of news to split.

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From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Wheel steering on small boats (was Re: Boat Show)
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:00:52 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker ) writes:
>        Wayne Simpson (I believe) writes:
>>    I agree with Jeff regarding the now ubiquitous wheel steering. A 27
>> foot boat simply doesn't need it and I don't understand why so many people
>> want them.
>        An extreme case of wheelitis I saw once was a wheel somebody
>        had rigged up on their San Juan 21. I guess it's just not a
>        "yacht" without the wheel.

But then some designs require it.  For 16 years, I had a Dawson 26 ketch
with a wheel.  Had an aft cabin and transom "dagger" rudder.  The tiller
version still had no "feel" as it consisted of a typical belcrank with
torturous cable runs to a tiller post.  For this boat, the sleeved cable
wheel steering was a blessing, but I'll agree a pain-in-the-arse.

-- Bob

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: Boat Show
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:50:37 GMT
Summary: Microwaves, VCRs, and Marina Queens

In article <106693@netnews.upenn.edu> karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Karina Haavik) writes:
>Speaking of dubious sailboat designs, amateur sailors, etc., here's my favorite
>quote from the Philly boat show:
>
>Man looking at Catalina 30: 'I don't like this one as much.  It doesn't have
>                             a microwave.'

   He must have just come from the Hunter display. Microwaves and Video
Casette Players are standard (no kidding). I saw this at a show a few
years ago. The boat was devoid of any VHF or useful nav gear, but had
a complete entertainment system as standard equipment. A sailboat for
people who watched "Miami Vice". It made me want to throw up...

>Makes me think I should stop worrying so much about learning things before I 
>get a bigger boat and just figure out how to buy it.
>
>Oh, and before I get flamed, I don't have anything against people who get a 
>boat to party.  I just think that if you're going to spend that kind of money 
>on a boat without looking at it's nautical characteristics, you're bound to
>end up disappointed.  I can't afford dissapointments like that.  :-)

   Flame me all you want. I find nothing sadder in the boating life than
a Marina Queen, a boat whose natural element is tied to a dock with TV,
phone, and 220 volt electricity for the air conditioners. I sail to get 
away from all of that.

Wayne (donning his asbestos shorts) Simpson

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