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From: peschko@barracuda.micro.umn.edu (Edward Peschko)
Subject: Re: Why X _is_ making money
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:51:06 GMT

In <mattm-050193102614@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>But the black youth market has not materialized.  They wear the
>symbols, but don't go to the film.  I suspect that this is 
>because they *do* know what the symbols mean.  Indeed, so much
>hype has proceeded this film that it's symbolic power has
>been established.  There is *no* *need* to actually *go* to the
>theater, as the communication has already been made.

>And another thing:  where does Spike go from here?  He can't
>make a 'bigger' film.  The only 'bigger' black figure would
>be King, and Spike has shown no inclinations of being sympathetic
>to so non-confrontational a leader.  He won't have gobs of
>money to build on after X (which is just *not* going to bring
>in more than a few million in profit, even *if* the foreign
>market bears up).  He sunk two million of his own salary into
>this one, and probably won't be seeing it back.  Does he
>return to making "Jungle Fevers" after trying for "Roots?"

Yeah. And it's too bad. He is a talented filmmaker, but his films rely so 
heavily on confrontation -- he is in a philosophical straight-jacket. This 
truly IS sad because no one deserves more than Martin Luther King to have a good
film tribute made about their life.


(oh yes.. and about Mr. Malcolm X's seriousness as a preacher and leader: it
went totally out the window when I read an interview of his when he said things
like:

	'The catholic is BORN a slave, spiritually and mentally! Catholics cannot 
be leaders. They are sheep. All the dictatorships in the MODERN WORLD (and this 
is a historical fact) are quite obviously in places in which there are Catholic
Majorities! I dare you, Sir, to tell me ONE country which became dictatorial 
without the help of the Catholic masses....'

To which the interviewer slyly replied --

'Well, Germany at the time of Hitler was predominantly Protestant -'

Way to go. The interviewer receives highest marks.. As for Malcolm X, judge for
yourself)

Ed
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: commercials (was Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !)
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:50:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:

[stuff about commercials in theatres]

>I was just watching a Paramount movie on videotape...
>and I saw two commercials (one telling you
>to rent movies.. figure that one out...) and a few previews.  All
>I can say is Thank God LaserDisc people don't tolerate this shit!

This is kind of funny.  I agree that the commercial on most rental tapes
with the dog that pops the tape in the VCR is stupid, and unwelcome, but
there were a few films that had commercials specifically made for their
release.  I think TOP GUN and one of the BACK TO THE FUTURES had Pepsi
commercials specially filmed and included to reduce the selling price
of the tapes.  (The 25th Anniversary WIZARD OF OZ has a Downey commercial
now that I think of it).  I personally feel cheated when these are not 
included on the laserdisc versions of the movies.  After all, companies
like Criterion look for extras relating to the movie to put on as a
supplement.  I view it as a collectors item.  Besides, it is easy to
chapterskip past them on most laserdiscs.

Bil Gonzalez
From: dussert@beatrice.ensta.fr (Pierre Dussert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: French movies in 1992
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:37:05 GMT
Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure de Techniques Avancees, Paris , France
NNTP-Posting-Host: bebert.ensta.fr


Here's a list of french movies that came out in 1992 (or late 1991) which have
some interests.


	TITLE		DIRECTOR	ACTOR,ACTRESS		COMMENTS


L'accompagnatrice	Claude Miller	Romane Bohringer	The story of a	
					Elena Sofonova		diva and her
					Richard Bohringer	accompanist during
								the 2nd WWar


Les amants du Pont	Leos Carax	Juliette Binoche	A love story between
Neuf					Denis Lavant		two bums in Paris.
								By the author of
								Mauvais Sang


La Belle Noiseuse	Jacques Rivette	Emanuelle Beart		Grand Prix at the
					Michel Piccoli		Cannes festival;
					Jane Birkin		the relationships
								between a painter
								and his model.
								Close to the
								MASTERPIECE!


Le chene		Lucian Pintilie	Maia Morgenstern	The director was 
					Razvan Vasilescu	banned from
								Romania by
								Ceaucescu's censors


La crise		Coline Serreau	Vincent Lindon		A french comedy


Delicatessen		Caro-Jeunet	J.Claude Dreyfus	Absolutly CRAZY!!
					Dominique Pinon		You MUST see this
					M.Laure Dougnac		film!	
					Ticky Holgado		


Damage			Louis Malle	Jeremy Irons		
					Juliette Binoche	


Indochine		Regis Wargnier	Catherine Deneuve	Will represent 
					Vincent Perez		France to the next
					Jean Yanne		Oscars


L.627			Bertrand	Didier Bezace		Police faced to
			   Tavernier	J.Paul Comart		the drug traffic
					Nils Tavernier		in Paris;
								raw...


Les Nuits Fauves	Cyril Collard	Cyril Collard		The love story 
					Romane Bohringer	between a teenage
								girl and an AIDS
								affected young man
								Very touching,
								never voyeur ,raw 
								smooth, violent;
								an event in France
								this year


La sentinelle		Arnaud					Very weird!!
			   Deplechain				Maybe you'll like
								it!


Tous les matins		Alain Corneau	J.Pierre Marielle	Won't go to the 
du monde				Gerard Depardieu	Oscars because of 
					Guillaume Depardieu	Indochine ( a
					Anne Brochet		country only selects
								one film )


Un coeur en hiver	Claude Sautet	Daniel Auteuil		Love and hate 
					Emmanuelle Beart	between a violinist
					Daniel Dussolier	and her violin 
								maker;a GREAT film


Urga			Nikita		Badema			Lion d'or at the
			   Mikhalkov	Bayaertu		Venise festival.
								


Van Gogh		Maurice Pialat	Jacques Dutronc		This movie is 
								certainly ( with
								CYRANO DE BERGERAC )
								the best french
								movie in the ten 
								past years.


I don't know if all these films will be available in your country ,but  watch
priorily La Belle Noiseuse, Delicatessen, Les Nuits Fauves, Tous les Matins du
Monde, Un Coeur en Hiver, and of course Van Gogh.



						Alex



PS:   I was forgetting the ultimate masterpiece:  LES ENFANTS DU PARADIS  by
Marcel Carne (1945)
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From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:02:18 GMT

In article <5456@calmasd.Prime.COM> mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello) writes:
>Does anyone know when Jurassic Park is scheduled for release?
>Even approximately?

Last I heard was June, 1993.


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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Seat reservations in movie theatres
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:36:42 GMT

   The only problem with seat reservation is that the sales people
per default assumes that you want a seat in the back. I normally
ignore the numbers on my ticket if there are many free seats.

   Good thing is that you can skip most of the commercials if you 
have the guts to wait 10 minutes before entering.

-- 
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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: VIDEO posters
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:41:48 GMT

I have a few video posters for sale.  E-mail for list.
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From: jdliss@unix.amherst.edu (Jeff Liss)
Subject: Re: New alien box set???
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:20:19 GMT

dann cutter (dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu) wrote:
> Is there a new alien box set out. I would like to have copies of the movies
> which have all the footage for each restored. And I don't have a laserdisk
> player. I just bought a copy of alien3 for $15 (some will think that is way
> too much and some will think I got a great buy) and still have a copy of
> Alien. I also have a taped copy of Aliens... but am wondering if I can get
> the extra footage in a boxed set for VHS now? Anybody know if there is
> extra footage for A3...
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
> Dann Cutter  Stellar Enterprises / dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu

The Alien boxed set has 11 min. of footage cut out included on the boxed
set but not cut back into the movie.  The Aliens cutouts (17min.) are cut
back into the film on the laser disc.  I am fairly certain these are not
available on cassette.  A film has to attain alot of critical respect
before it becomes an option to go restoring lost footage, so I think 
Alien 3 will probably be a long time coming in this department.  Its
shooting history was such a mess that one wouldn't know where to start
with footage that was cut out, reshot, etc.

Jef
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From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Society for Promotion of Entropy in the Universe (SPEU)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:55:17 GMT

In article <C0pp6L.1n4B@austin.ibm.com>, jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly) writes:
>> In article <1ik4l0INN8jm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:
>It occurs to me that it's not always real obvious to a movie-goer,
>especially one who's hurrying because they don't want to miss very
>much of the movie, just _who_ and _where_ the manager is.

I believe I suggested that, in that situation, they should ask the
usher/concessions person/whoever to ask someone have a look into it,
and that should be sufficient.  An usher is probably your best bet if
a manager isn't immediately visible because they aren't supposed to stay
in any one location.

Preferably the theater should have someone who isn't otherwise occupied
and conspicuously visible.  During rush periods, we try to always have
one manager out on the floor at all times, in case anything needs to be
taken care of (and we're just 3 screens... I've been to a 9-plex
that didn't have a manager in sight, although granted they had lots of
ushers milling around)

-----
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Please be considerate, and don't talk during the show!  (SSSSSSHHH!)
Thank you for coming to Loews!  Sit back and relax -- enjoy the show!
From: wsbusup2@rwa.urc.tue.nl (Boudewijn Wayers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Who or what is Joseph Menjou
Keywords: puzzle
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusup2@urc.tue.nl

I am working on a puzzle in a local newspaper for which I am looking for
Joseph Menjou (not Adolphe). He should have some connection with Laurel and
Hardy. If you know the answer, please let me know via e-mail.

Thanks, Boudewijn.
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From: rlm@Hudson.Stanford.EDU (Robert L. Miller)
Subject: Re: Kodak CDS sound and the super 16mil format.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:50:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.021210.25646@cc.umontreal.ca> durandm@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Durand Martin) writes:
>The super 16mm format is used primarily by cinematographers who want to shoot
>films with the screen aspect ratio of the 35mm negative film without using 
>heavy cameras (some places are forbidding...) or without having to pay alot 
>for the shooting (16mm cameras and film stocks are cheaper, so...).
>
>Unfortunately, this is where your reasoning is wrong. Finer grain is not 
>resulting only from the size of the negative. It is mostly a result of the molecular
>structure of the film. T-grain technology films (developped recently by KODAK)
>made possible to increase the sensitivity of film stocks without compromising onthe image resolution. But I must admit that the wider the negative of the 
>stock the better the image because more information can be registered on the 
>film.
>

This echos what I have heard.  What I am curious about, though, is the
difference in picture quality between Super 16mm and 35mm.  A gross
generalization I have heard is Super 16mm has the picture quality of
1987 35mm stock.  I also heard "Young Indiana Jones was shot in Super
16mm."  What footage I saw of program looked good.

Apparently this is still a relatively new format, or one that is just
now experiencing broader use.  I'm only aware of one lab in San
Francisco that can process it, and one top-of-the-line camera-rental
house has just purchased an Arri Super 16mm camera.

-Robert Miller
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From: ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez)
Subject: Re: Would you pay to see it (again) on the BIG screen?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:39:24 GMT
Organization: The Arts Babblative and Scribblative
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I want to add that I'd like to see your reasons why you would be willing to
pay real money to see one of these movies (possibly for the ninth time) back
on the (big) silver screen.  For my part, I feel that I'd have two reasons
either of which would be sufficient for a particular movie.  First, there are
the great spectacular films where a mere TV set just can't give you enough of
an eyeful, and you know there's far too much to be seen there to show up on
a television screen.  Second, there is the "suspension of disbelief" factor.
I think the movie "Quest for Fire" is a good example.  For some movies, you
need the film to take up your entire field of vision and to lose yourself in
the world of the movie.  I saw "Quest for Fire" on videotape, and it was ok,
but in the theater I believe this movie would have swallowed me, if not the
entire audience, whole.

So, why would *you* shell out your hard earned money to see one of these flicks
that you've seen (possibly many times before) as they were meant to be seen?
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From: hawkeye@ludd.luth.se (hakan bergstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Wanted: Music to KEOMA with Franco Nero.
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:55:36 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

I would like to know about the music
to this western movie :

Name     : KEOMA
Produced : Italy 1976
Director : ENZO G CASTELLARI
Time     : 91 min
Actors   : Franco Nero, Olga Karlatos, Woody Strode.

A little to help you remember:

Keoma is a halfindian. A bastard son to the ranch-
owner Shannon, when keoma returns from the war he
has all the odds against him , including his
thre brothers ...

(Please respond via E-MAIL.)

Thanks for anything.
hawkeye@ludd.luth.se
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: x can't make money
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:30:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.1489.35978@channel1> "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
>TM>I repeat myself:
>TM>I am not surprised "X" is not making money. I think that a large
>TM>number of moviegoers heard the words "Malcolm X" and dismissed
>TM>the movie as "preaching that white people are evil."
>
>There's another reason why MALCOLM X isn't a blockbuster, and that
>reason has nothing to do with racism:
>
>The movie is three-and-a-quarter hours long, and this means the
>theaters can only show it twice per day, or three times at the most.
>Compare this with the FIVE or even SIX times per day a theater can
>show a movie that's 90 minutes to two hours long - and sell tickets to
>each show.  This is a very important reason why X has "only" made
>about $40 million.
>

I'd say that's another reason to wait for it to reach critical mass.
And why lots of people that would otherwise see it in the theater
might wait for videotape.  Especially folks that drink lots of
pop and lemonade at the theater.

GMS
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From: churchwell@vms.ocom.okstate.edu (Kimberly B. Churchwell)
Subject: Closing credits (was: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !)
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:58:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.002920.19735@Princeton.EDU>,
spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>>Since 99% of the people leave at the first sign of credits as if someone
>>had yelled "FIRE" the ushers usually have a few minutes during the
> 
> ...There are always some people
> who stay through the whole credits.  Enough to get in the way.  And then
> they bitch that you disturbed them while they were trying to see who the
> key grip's best boy's assistant was.

I don't give a hang about gaffers, best boys, or the catering service,
but often I _do_ want to see the music credits, which are nearly always
dead last.
-- 
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Point in "Malcolm X" [Spoiler?  Probably not, but you never know]
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:33:32 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <ISBELL.93Jan5095903@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>|I just saw and enjoyed "Malcolm X."  Afterwards, my friend and
>|I remembered a particular scene differently and was wondering
>|if someone could clear it up for us.  
>
>|It was when Malcolm/Red jarred Archie's memory and said that 
>|he was owed $600 for the number that he played and Archie 
>|checked and then went after him because he believed Red conned 
>|him.  That episode and others lead me to believe that Red was 
>|conning Archie.  However my friend insists that Archie had 
>|forgotten.  Not wanting to escalate the difference further, I'd 
>|appreciate if others could clue us in on what you saw and if one (or 
>|neither) of us is correct.
>
>In the book, Malcolm claims he never meant to hustle him; however, he
>no longer remembered the numbers so he doesn't know who was actually
>wrong.  The movie did something interesting:  Red asked that Archie
>"combinate" the numbers he wanted.  This means to put money on all
>possible combinations of the numbers you choose (n!); however, when he
>listed the possibilties he didn't actually list are the possible
>combinations.  Therefore it's possible that he did bet on the winning
>number *but* that Archie only remembered the numbers that Red actually
>listed.
>
>On the other hand, I'm blanking on whether during the whole argument
>on whether Red won or not that either of the principles actually
>mentioned what they winning numbers were.  So who knows?

	They did, and it was one of the numbers that Red actually listed.  So,
according to the movie, Red wasn't trying to hustle Archie, and Archie *did*
forget a number (I think the number in question was 218).

--
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From: jmw3c@Virginia.EDU ("Eddie Vedder")
Subject: Re: Review: A Few Good Men.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:24:11 GMT

All the actors were excellent in my opinion, but my nod has to
go to Tom Cruise in the courtroom.  The last scene of the film
has to rank up there with the all-time great courtroom dramas.
I was very impressed with the film and it lived up to its
billing a second time as well.  Rob Reiner might get a little
more credit here too...
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From: kan@yoyodyne.rtp.dg.com (Victor Kan)
Subject: Crying Game soundtrack?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:23:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: kan@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Program Development Environments, Data General Corp., RTP, NC

I just saw The Crying Game (wonderful movie!) and was wondering if
anyone knows if a soundtrack is/will be available.  I stayed for the
musical credits, but didn't see anything about a soundtrack.
Alternatively, is there a CD single with the three versions of the
title song?

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