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From: franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Re: Need Advice on Hard Disk Backup Systems
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:47:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, The Netherlands

esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell) writes:

> As I noted a few months ago in a similar post, I stopped using PCBackup  
> because of its intermittent problems with being able to restore.  Backup  
> works great but several people have reported problems restoring.  The third  
> time I couldn't restore files I scrapped it.  I now use Fastback.

  The original poster and other netters may benefit from a repost (if
this, rather lengthy, repost violates some Netiquette, then please
educate me) :

From franks Tue Jul  7 08:45:03 1992
From: franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 06:45:03 GMT
Date-Received: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 06:45:03 GMT
Subject: PC Tools 6.0 PCBACKUP Restore tips.
Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
From: chrisr@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Ringe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga <--> PC diplomacy
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:58:52 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I would like to remind you that you are comparing a 486/50 to a 040/25.  
Have you though to compare a processor on equal MHZ?  Sure, you could say 
that the 486 is faster, but you neglect to say how fast the 040/50 is!

Not to mention that the 486/50 has heating problems, whereas the 040/50 
doesn't. (as far as I've heard).

I am not trying to start a war, 'cus I too have a 486/33dx.

Chris.

< SIG on Summer Holidays!! >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and ET4000 cards
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:08:52 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <CB.92Jul28163753@tamarack13.timbuk> cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes:
> Christopher M. Palmer writes:
> 
>    I was reading one of John Dvorak's columns in a PC magazine where he
>    was discussing the joys and pitfalls of running OS/2.  In an
>    annoyingly offhand remark, he says that OS/2 doesn't like Trident
>    ET4000 SVGA cards.  I am about to purchase a system that has a Trident
>    ET4K card in it.  While I am buying the machine to run Windows, I
>    would like to keep my OS/2 options open.  What is this mysterious
>    incompatibility problem?  Is it just a scarcity of OS/2 drivers, or is
>    there something deeper?                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> It's just a driver issue.  I fault IBM for not having the driver ready
> earlier, but you can run OS/2 in VGA mode with no trouble.  There are
> drivers for ET4000, but in one way or another they're not the
> full-fledged driver that can do seamless Windows and other things that
> they should do.  I expect the full-strength driver will be out with the
> September bugfix release (whatever they're calling it).  If you're
> interested in OS/2, be sure to read the comp.os.os2.misc group.  ET4000
> issues come up repeatedly there.
> 
> Chris Brewster
> cb@cray.com

One story I heard from an IBMer was that before OS/2 V2's release, IBM tried
to get hardware manufacturers interested in writing drivers for OS/2. Some -
like Tirdent - responded and had video drivers ready months before the relase
date. Others - like Tseng couldn't see past Windows and didn't bother. Now
over 1.2 million copies of OS/2 v2 have been sold and the vendors who have any
sense are trying to be in first with the drivers - after all, the company that
writes the first, est driver has the market to himself for a while until the
others catch up. One of the qustions i am asked most often at the computer
shop i work in is: "Does this PC come with  Trident card? I may want to run
OS/2 soon."
 
Steve

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: sphilips@bach.udel.edu (Santosh S Philips)
Subject: Re: Maxtor 7213A Hard Drive
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:57:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.183153.28587@cs.UAlberta.CA> wes@cs.UAlberta.CA (Wes A. Tutak) writes:
=>I have found myself in need of a bigger hard drive and I am considering the
=>Maxtor 7213A IDE Drive (213 MB, 15ms). I've noticed that several dealers
=>in this month's Computer Shopper Magazine are offering it at a discounted
=>price ($459 at DC Computers). Also the London Drugs Computer Department here
=>in Edmonton has it on sale. I'm curious why Maxtor is slashing the price
=>on this particular drive. Is there something unreliable about it??
=>
=>Does anyone have any experience, good or bad with this particular drive??
=>
=>BTW, I have a 386-25 clone, and I intend to run the new drive with my old
=>40 MB IDE, and both floppy drives.
=>
=>Thanks, in advance, for your time.
=>--
=>--
=>==========================================================================
=>Naeser's Law:
=>		You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it

If I am not mistaken, Maxtor introduced this drive not too long ago.
It is slightly slower than the 213A (16ms vs. 15ms) and the data transfer rate
is also less for the newer drive.

Reason for the lower cost...OEM/dealer price was originally $399 (probably
lower by now!) due to the fact that the 7213A and 7213S use existing technology
and fewer parts from the Maxtor Cheyenne (sp?) series like the 7120A.

Maxtor has a good reputation for quality drives, so if you do not mind the 16ms
access time and lower transfer rate then go ahead.   

One thing to keep in mind is that Maxtor has a LOW-LEVEL format program for the
213A (just in case it is needed)...When  I talked to Maxtor a while back about
the 7120a (the 7 refers to the Cheyenne series)  They did not have a low level
format program available for that specific drive...they might have one out for
the 7213A.  I am not sure if Disk Manager >5.0 can handle the 7213A.

If you have any questions call the 800 Maxtor tech support line...sorry I do
not have it handy.

Good luck in your search,
Santosh

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Maxtor,  the above opinions are my own.

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= Santosh Philips                                                           =
= e-mail: sphilips@brahms.udel.edu                                          =
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: evw2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric V. Wong)
Subject: Want your old EGA monitor
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:04:20 GMT


Hi, if you have an EGA monitor you'd like to get rid
of, email me with an asking price.
 
Thanks.
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                  Department of Neurosciences
From: frank@cs.yorku.ca (Frank Pikelner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: help : which is better MSDOS 5.0 or DRDOS 6.0
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:24:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1373
Distribution: world
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

Just to add to the discussion, last night I as using the DISKCOPY command from
DR DOS 6 and to my surprise when copying high density floppies there is no
disk shuffeling like with MS DOS 5. The software copies the entire disk to RAM, 
then to the destination. With MSDOS 5 you need to insert the source and 
destination 2 or 3 times.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Downloading from UNIX
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:21:58 GMT

I am experiencing some problems downloading *.arc and *.zip files from
a SGI UNIX system. I am using the xmodem protocol and the transfers seem
fine (Downloading using Windows 3.0 terminal accessory) but when I try to 
unzip the *.zip I get an error message which says that the file is not in 
a pkzip file. Any suggestions?. TIA.
-- 

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e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario.
From: girod@niktow.canisius.edu (Don Girod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: printscreen function for Hercules
Keywords: ibm-pc
Date: 26 Jul 92 12:23:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

I need a screen-print tsr (along the lines of GRAPHICS.COM) which will
support the Hercules card and the "ibm graphics printer", i.e., Epson
graphics.  There are probably lots of these around but I haven't been
able to locate one.  Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: FTP sites for games? (apogee in particular!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:18:03 GMT

Hey there...
I'm looking for some REALLY good ftp sites (I already know about wustl &
umich) with a LOT of MSDOS games.  My dad just got a 386sx machine (8mb, svga)
and I need something to do with it...;)

Thanks much in advance!

Bruce Anderson
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From: smp@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: How can I use ATI Graphics Ultra with windows 3.1
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:22:55 GMT


	I am having problems using ATI Gr. Ultra card with windows 3.1.  The
drivers simply do not get loaded.  I am aware that the crystal fonts are not
available but the other 1024X768 driver should be loaded.  No luck there.

	All comments and suggestions are appreciated.

	Thanks in advance

	Shailesh

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: wkn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ken Neighbors)
Subject: Re: Changing the bus speed?
Summary:  can change it in the setup program
Keywords: bus speed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305 USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:27:06 GMT

>I have seen quite a few people talking about the fact that they have 
>upped the bus speed on their boards.  I was just wondering, is this simply 
>by replacing the oscillator crystal?  Or is there something else that must 
>done with the crystal changeout?  Ids there an easy way to determine wheth
>board will support the new speed?

I can change the AT bus speed by changing the clock division factor in
the setup program.  My motherboard is 33MHz, so I could run the bus
at 16.5 = 33/2.  This is probably too fast for some boards, though.
Other factors are 2.5, 3, and 4.  Maybe 5 and 6 too.  This is for
setting the bus to 8MHz (what it supposed to be), for any motherboard
speed.  I.e., 16/2, 20/2.5, 25/3, 33/4, 40/5, and 50/6 are all about 8.

Ken
wkn@leland.stanford.edu
From: gdg2@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary D. Grayson II)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: MS Mail 3.0 & Windows 3.1
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:12:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Jul23.161203.8494
Reply-To: gdg2@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary D. Grayson II)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Has anyone been able to run MS Mail 3.0 from with in Windows 3.1 on an
IBM machine (Model 80)? We're using an Appletalk network via a Daystar 
interface. No problems with Windows 3.0, but crashes machine every time
with 3.1??????
Thanx in advance,
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From: billr@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Bill Richmond)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Call Waiting and Modems (was Re: Modem Use and Phone Calls)
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:10:59 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

|> Yes.  There is no communications program that I've ever heard of that handles
|> call waiting, since the call waiting 'beep' is an interruption of the modem
|> carrier.  However, you can turn off call waiting for a particular call by
|> prefixing it with *70: at least, it works for SW Bell in Houston.  Your
|> mileage my vary.
|> 
	In the Orlando, Fl area,  the ability to turn off call waiting as
you suggest is a pay service. That's right, pay to have it & pay again if you 
wanna be able to turn it off to use the modem...Sad isn't it...


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From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Request for time activated DOS program/utility
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:51:29 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

In a message dated Wed 29 Jul 92  1:05, Tomd@rb-Csd.sandiego.ncr.com ()
wrote:

 TC> Does anybody know of a program or utility that will activate
 TC> itself when the system clock hits a certain time.

This won't be a lot of help, but I know there are both commercial and
shareware programs out there that will run specified applications and
inject the needed keystrokes at some future unattended time.  I just can't
recall any of their names right now.  Also, many of the high end backup
packages now also include a timer function.  

At least you know a deeper search is worthwhile.


-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Jim Johnson-
*** Remember, they're only tools - Not a way of life! ***
From: franks@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Frank Slootweg CRC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Seagate ST251 INfo needed
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:01:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, The Netherlands

djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:

> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
> Subject: Seagate ST251 Info needed
> 
> Im swapping a hard drive from an older machine into a newer one for a friend
> of mine.  I need all the info to put in CMOS on the newer machine.  Anyone
> know the head, track, etc. count for the Seagate ST251 hard drive?

  I have a Seagate ST 251 in my (HP QS/16 (386 class)) PC. The sticker
on the drive and the SETUP program lists it as "Type 44". The "SETUP
Program Guide" of my computer gives the following specifications for
"Type 44" :

Cylinders		 820
Heads			   6
Start Precomp. 		none
Landing Zone		 820
Approx. Capacity	40MB

  I hope this helps.

Frank Slootweg
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From: rjl@spectre.pub.uu.oz.au (Richard Lindner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,aus.wanted,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Info wanted on peer-to-peer networks
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:14:23 GMT
Organization: APANA / ACUG

I'm about to install a peer to peer network to link a number of
286 -> 486 pc computers at my work.  A few spring to mind - Lantastic,
LanSmart, Netware Lite (i think) and i'm sure others exist. Some
commentary regarding the relevant pros/cons would be much appreciated.

thanx,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Frank.Neumann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Neumann)
Subject: Re: POV-Ray 1.0 Released
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:49:38 GMT
Keywords: POV-Ray raytrace ftp

Hello there,
dbuck@alfred.carleton.ca (Dave Buck) writes:

>   The POV-Ray (Persistance of Vision) raytracing program version 1.0
>   is now available for anonymous FTP.  POV-Ray is based on my
>   DKBTrace program and has been developed with my permission by the
>   POV-Team.

>   You can get POV-Ray from:
[..]
>   from overseas, please use (allowing a few days to make the files visible):

>      ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (134.106.1.9)

I just ftp'ed the whole distribution from Canada. So, now all files are
available from the above mentioned site,
directory /pub/dkbtrace/POV-Ray1.0

The files are verbatim copies from those at Canada, file names and sizes
are the same. So those of you who get better transfer rates to us than to
Canada, here's your alternative to Canada.

Have fun,
Frank
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: robert@solan.unit.no (Robert Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Unloading smartdrv.exe
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:09:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.210329.1@ttd.teradyne.com>, rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
 > 
 > Why do you want to unload it? It works equally well for DOS apps. The only

Consider this...

I have 2 Mb RAM (I know, shame on me) and like the speed gained from using 
SmartDrv.  However BC++ needs 2Mb to start on my PC, and does not cooperate
with SmartDrv like Windows do.  I would like to remove SmartDrv whenever I
run BC++ 3.0, then install it again when I quit.

 > Otherwise, the only option is to REM it out of Config.sys and re-boot.

Sadly that's my conclusion too...
 
 > 
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robert@solan.unit.no, snail-mail to Stud.techn. Robert Schmidt, Stud.post 170,
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From: moe@rainier.lib.washington.edu (Joe Shippert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Null modem cable???
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:29:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington Libraries, Seattle


I'm trying to make a null modem cable and I have no idea what one is. Any
hints? Thanks,

joe
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From: pcellik@axion.bt.co.uk (Peter SPHINX Cellik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: 386-40 VS i486SX-25
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:30:26 GMT
Reply-To: pcellik@axion.bt.co.uk (Peter SPHINX Cellik)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <1066@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko) writes:
|> 
|>    This may seem like a simple question, but I don't want to ASSUME
|> anything without at least some opinion.  I have a 286 clone (NCR brand),
|> which is switchable between 6 and 10 mhz.  If I wanted to put a 287 chip
|> in, what speed rating should I get.  Since I generally run at 10mhz all the
|> time, should I get a 10mhz 287?  
|> 
|>    						Robert Anisko


Yes.

      SPHINX

P.S.  Interesting choice of subject.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Samsung 17" and CTX 17" monitors, are they any good?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:13:06 GMT


I was wondering if anyone has any comments about the Samsung 17" monitor
or the CTX 17"(1760 model I think) monitor.  It seems that you can get them
for under $900.00.

Would you prefer to go with a 15" Optiquest
                                  Sony
                                    .
                                    .
                                    .
                                  insert favorite 15" here.

I don't think any of the main stream(read high reputation/quality) one can
be had for that price.  So I'm deciding on whether to buy an inexpensive 17"
or go with a cheaper, but better quality 15 or 16".

I don't think I'd stoop to a GoldStar 17" thou. :)

Thanks,
Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
From: heiko@uwesa.hanse.de (Heiko Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: BC2 and BC3, FPU-emulation bug
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:54:30 GMT

heiko@uwesa.hanse.de (Heiko Weber) writes:

>   floating point error: stack fault
>   memory allocation error, unable to load COMMAND.COM
>   system stoped

Now I've finaly tested it: Run the program, it hangs. Then installed
the 387, runs fine ! No idea, anymore :-(

I've also tried to isolate the problem to a small pice of code, but any
major changes to the program (i.e. remove one or more files) removes
the problem too. Now I think about to split the stuff into to parts, and
run them separate ...

Thank you to everyone who tried to help me !

Heiko
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From: peters@CS.ColoState.EDU (eric peters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: 4dos version 4.01 vs ndos version 6.01
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:18:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

>
>ndos started out as 4dos version 3.0. Whether 4dos v4.01 and ndos v6.01 are
>any different is a good question. 
>
>Norton has licensed 4dos under the name of ndos.

there were a few differences between 4dos v4.0 and ndos v6.0.  4dos had
everything ndos had and more (at least, i couldn't find anything that ndos
had and 4dos didn't).  4dos had a "cdpath" env var that helps you when
changing directories.  and also has dir colorization.

Granted, nothing earth-shattering, but both of these things are kinda nice
once you get used to useing them> 
-- 
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