From: miriyala@plains.NoDak.edu (M.J.M)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Secularism.. Overkill. - Re to Sivaram
Keywords: communal carnage
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:46:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bz41Kx.F93
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <Bz2sLr.K8u@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>Yes u r  100% right.  Many of these so called secularists just
>masquerade their secularism as a badge of *forwardness* and
>to look *cool* as they say here in the eyes of their
>Western friends.  The other reason is that they just plain
>lack the guts to speak their mind.

	Why do u think that everybody has the same ideas as u have ??
	Only because they are having guts and b'cos they care about the 
	country they r writing their ideas. They r letting their anguish
	know to others at the state of the affairs in the country. They
	r afraid that fundemantalists like u will destroy the peace in the 
	country. Nobody  is masquerading secularism .. but they belive in 
	secularism just like u believe in Hindu fundementalism.
>
>When I see these postings proclaiming their shame on being
>Hindus, I get a big laugh.

	I agree that they should not be ashamed to be Hindus but
	should be ashamed that people like u who proclaim to be Hindus
	but do not follow its basic principles - like tolerance.

>  Will these so called secularists
>allow their children or their siblings marry outside their Shame-filled 
>Hindu
>faith...I want to know.   Boy they would not even be ready
>to even go out of their caste or language.  All this hypocrisy
>just stinks.
>
	Secularism means peaceful coexistence with other religious 
	people, respecting and being respected by the other groups.
	It does not mean inter religious marriages.
	Ok - let me follow ur logic - did ur socalled gaurdians of
	Hindu religion - BJP and VHP leaders marry their daughters and
	sons outside their castes ?? Let me know dude . They should have
	if they thought all Hindus are equal.

>U are right in saying that these Mahatmas did not utter a
>word in protest  when attrocities are being committed
>on Hindus to this day in Kashmir. 

	I dont know where u r but everybody were appalled and condemned
	the killings of innocent people (in this case Hindus) both in
	kashmir and Punjab. 
	But there the crucial difference is the law was broken by terrorists.
	In the case of Ayodhya the law was broken, or actively encouraged to
	break the law by the ruling party, which is supposed to uphold law!!!

> Where were these secularists
>when some Indian actors were sentenced to death in the Gulf.

	When u go to a country u have to abide by the rules of that country.
	If u dont , u face the consequences.
	If I remember correctly they were not sentenced to death. 

>the Supreme Court's ruling on the Shah Bano case, which resulted
>in the Muslim Personal law.....a blow to real secularism.

	If u dont know u shut ur mouth.
	Go back and read all the newspapers u fundementalists call secular
	newspapers. Everyone of them condemned that. Even the editorial letters
	were all condemning the govt. Even today the "secular" (categorized as
	secular by fundementals like u) observers mention that as the starting
	point of openly mixing religion with politics and communalizing
	politics, which BJP and VHP took it to new heights.

	I get the feeling from ur posts that u assume all the persons whoom 
	u call secularists,  are supporters of Congress-I. If u r then u r
	mistaken. All this communal violence is fanned by the politicians
	most of the time by cong-I..ofcourse now BJP surpassed that.

	I will give u one ex. 
	when cong govt was in power in AP there were regularly communal
	violence in the city of Hyderabad. But when NTR ruled for seven years
	there was no communal violence.
	Do u understand something from that.

>And I did not hear a single Muslim say...I'm ashamed to be
>a muslim.
>
>Atleast we should respect the Muslims for the fact that they
>are proud of what they are.
>
>Sivaram Hariharan


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