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From: thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: HPUX (generic Unix too) disk formatting
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:03:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: pan.9204112303.AA15644
Organization: The Internet


This should probably be in comp.sys.hp, but I don't get news and don't know
whether I can get that newsgroup emailed to me (anyone else know?), so....

We're playing around with formatting new disks on our new hockey pucks.  Under
Domain/OS, you just formatted and went on with your life, since you couldn't
customize anything.  You lost about 5% for the VTOC, and 15% for the formatting
itself, and that was that.

Under HPUX, though, it's a different game.  You get to play with lots of numbers
for sectors, tracks, and cylinders (and you can apparently lie pretty severely
about SCSI disks), and you can specify optimization for access or capacity.  The
program (I don't remember which) defaults to 10% reserved for overflow, since
'the disk performance degrades severely after the disk is 90% full' (or words to
that effect).  I also heard that that hasn't been true for a long time, with
the newer (non-ancient?) disks.  Since you still lose a percentage for formatting,
my 609MB disk (520 formatted) (manufacturer's claim) became a 480MB disk with 
432MB available after the 10% surplus is set aside.  I just gave 29% of my 
disk away!

Does anyone know
1) whether the new SCSI disks maintain performance levels when over 90% full?
   a) if so, why the $%^&$% haven't HP, Sun, and ??? changed their practice?!?
   b) if not, how much performance hit I'll take if I go for all 100%?

2) what are 'reasonable' values for /etc/disktab for a Fujitsu M2624-FA disk?
   I lied a LOT, and said it had 18 1K sectors/track, 29 tracks/cyl, and 973
   cylinders.  It _really_ has 1429 cylinders, 11 tracks, and zones with 56, 62,
   66, and 70 (512Byte) sectors/track.  I used my numbers because the total
   bytes lines up (507906KB).  Several examples said you needed to lie a bit,
   so I went hog-wild.
   a) have I screwed myself over with this extensive a set of lies?
   b) is there a better set of lies to use?

3) why /etc/disktab should give a rip what the rotational speed of the disk is?
   Several other items are marked 'informational only,' but not the speed.  Why?




-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

Speak softly and carry a big .disclaimer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Boot volume on 9000/710:  Must I go HP drive?
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:46:40 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>3rd party external SCSI II drive as a boot volume?  Or must I purchase
>the internal HP drive?  

I think what the install really wants is one of the drives that it explicitly
knows about.  Our 750's have been coming with Micropolis drives.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: rees@dabo.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: re: SCSI on the 3500 ??
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:06:47 GMT

In article <9204061908.AA02283@pan.ssec.honeywell.com>, thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) writes:

  You can't attach a SCSI hard disk to anything but a DN2500 and the 9000/400
  series...
  I think this is in the FAQ, no longer distributed periodically or updated,
  unless somebody's taken it under their wing....

I think it is, in a somewhat indirect way.

The faq is now maintained by wjw, who also runs a very useful info service.
I think he's already got it available for ftp.  He is working on the
periodic posting.  The old one is still available at archive.umich.edu.
From: marcel@hemulen.bull.se (Marcel Bos (Proxxi))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Looking for a HD controller to DN 660
Keywords: DN660 controller wanted...
Date: 29 Mar 92 15:48:47 GMT
Organization: proxxi (& SDF)

marcel@hemulen.bull.se (Marcel Bos (proxxi)) writes:

>Am werry unsure on this one, for a time a go I wrote for
>a query,  asking for help with a disc controller -
>To a DN660. don't knoaaway because of my poor english?

>however, A friend of mine gave me a full DN660 system
>for a time ago, since Calma here did't want it anymore
>yas in the mode to frow it out.

>Most of this was because a broken power supply..

>after some weeks trubbleshutting and bighelp from
>friends and fellows at Hp here in sweden, and on Todd,
>Got de la machine to work again! 
>_
>BUT--- just a litel bit.. After running all the avaibel
>tests, we came to SMtest that test the SMD controller..

>Failed! :-(
>------------------------Storage controller module reset --------------------
> Error at 98E in test #1
>Controller failed to respond
>during operation.
>Last function was 0
>                 Unit 0           head 0           cylinder 0      sector 0

>A0=20AF5C
>A1=20CB8C
>A4=423400
>A5=20A01E
>A7=209FB6 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>So, if any do have sugestions, a new controller, or what so ever
>to solve this problem am pleaced to hear from you!!!!
>To DN660 and other machines so there will probably be something
>for you. As demos and so on...

>So Pleace fill my Mailbox up to the red line! 

>We have A Vax 8600 that can take care of it!

>Marcel Bos / SM0UGT

>Marcel@hemulen.bull.se 
>--------------------------

PLEASE!! ANSWER!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson))
Subject: Re: third party RAM
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:11:51 GMT

In article <204912@unix.cis.pitt.edu> walsh+@pitt.edu (Alan M Walsh) writes:
>anyone know where i can get third party (i.e. cheap) RAM for
>my HP-UX Apollo 720?  thanks in advance for any help.

Most of the standard memory vendors have 7x0 RAM, including Dataram,
Clearpoint and Kingston (we bought ours from Kingston via a local reseller).
A possible supplier for Kingston memory in the eastern US is Impediment
at (617) 837-8877.
None of the 3rd party suppliers have the 64MB modules that
are available from HP though (32MB is the max from non-HP sources).
Apparently you can mix and match 16, 32 and 64 MB modules in the systems.

In comp.sys.hp there is a huge list of suppliers that is posted fairly
often; you might want to check that out too.
-- 
What are the chances that any computer system will ever "work" properly?
... and Slim just left town. -*- Mike Peterson, SysAdmin, U/Toronto Chemistry
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Is your AA A-OK?
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:15:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr15.011531.1848
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

We we have been using SR 10.3 for over a year (with appropriate patches
added as they became available) to find out at 10.3.5.3 that our
authorized area may have been doling out bad copies of the OS.  Bad
news.  I went to apply patch pd91_m0351 a couple weeks ago and found out
that my //AA/install/tools directory was using some old tools.  When I
grabbed the tools off of the boot tape for PSKQ3_91 the problem went
away.

There is another problem rearing its head with our Mentor Graphics tools
(watch out for programs crashing with the error code 0012002F) because
it may signify your AA is awry also.

As we speak I'm realoading the AA from cartridge tape.  This weekend
I'll be reloading the nodes.  This is not going to be fun!  It is sort
of like building a huge mansion only to find out that your basement has
cracks in it that can only be repaired with a new foundation.
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "Mom, it's Data.  I heard you know
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Wesley  "Datalore"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: fridman@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Robert Fridman)
Subject: mounting problems
Organization: U. of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 19:34:50 GMT



I have a DN4500 (SR10.3 BSD) with its disk partitions into a root
and a user area.

It is acting as an NFS server to other machines.

All was working great for 2 months, but suddenly, the apollo does not want to
mount the second partition:

	# mount /dev/wn0b /mnt
	/dev/wn0b on /mnt: Invalid argument
	# ls -lag /dev/wn*
	brw-------   1 root     staff    903792,   1 Jan  7 18:04 /dev/wn0a
	brw-------   1 root     staff    903792,   2 Jan  8 10:17 /dev/wn0b
	# ls -ld /mnt
	drwxr-xr-x   1 root         1024 Apr  6 13:13 /mnt/
	#

Any ideas??????????


	RF.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: campillo@gdwest.gd.com (Bill Campillo)
Subject: ftp Apollo <> CYBER
Organization: CSC/General Dynamics Corp.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:20:22 GMT

Greetings.

I am System Administrator for a variety of Engineering Workstations
(mostly Apollo).  My users have been experiencing problems with text
conversion of carats in files being ftp'd between the EWSs and CYBER.
A couple of (prudently edited) transcripts:

From the Apollo:
**
*% cat carats
*^^^^
*% ftp cyber
*ftp> send carats
*200 COMMAND OKAY.                                         
*150 FILE STATUS OKAY; ABOUT TO OPEN DATA CONNECTION.      
*226 CLOSING DATA CONNECTION.                              
*local: carats remote: carats
*6 bytes sent in 0.005 seconds (1.2 Kbytes/s)
*ftp> quit
*221 SERVICE CLOSING CONTROL CONNECTION. LOGGED OUT.       
*%
**

From the CYBER:
**
*/catlist
* 
* DIRECT ACCESS FILES
* 
*  CARATS  
* 
*         1 DIRECT ACCESS FILE ON DISK.     TOTAL PRUS =         1.
* 
*/attach,carats
*/copy,carats
*@B@B@B@B
* EOI ENCOUNTERED.
*/
**

The problem is similar moving the data in the opposite direction; apparently
ascii and display codes don't match up with carats.

If you have solutions or suggestions, please respond.

Many thanks,

Bill Campillo
Computer Sciences Corporation
Technology Management Division

campillo@gdwest.gd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: kburrell@hns.com (Ken Burrell A-317)
Subject: TFTP lockup using X-Terminals on Apollo
Originator: kburrell@kburrell
Keywords: TFTP X-Terminals Apollo
Organization: Hughes Network Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:36:46 GMT


We are evaluating X-Terminals to use on our Ethernet network. We are currently looking at the NCD and Tektronix X-Terminals. Everything works fine when we use just one of the X-Terminals, but if we simultaneously boot or load fonts from the same Apollo host, the X-Terminals lockup. When this happens, I am unable to successfully use TFTP on the Apollo host. Killing and restarting 'inetd' on the Apollo host gets rid of the problem. We are running Apollo Domain/OS SR10.3.4.

Has anyone observed this problem before and can you suggest a solution?

Thanks,

Ken Burrell
Hughes Network Systems
Germantown, Md
301-428-1630
kburrell@hns.com
-- 
Ken Burrell
Hughes Network Systems
301-428-1630
kburrell@hns.com
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Fujitsu disk problems (solved)
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:47:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr11.204751.20716
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

The solution to my 400t/Fujitsu disks is solved.  It had something to do
with the system itself.  It would recognize the internal drives just
fine, but for some reason it wouldn't find the externals.  Maybe the
interface is bad, maybe the little gray cable was loose, we may never
know.

I found my solution by using another machine and swapping out most of
the components.  As luck would have it I also had an extracter for the
new node ID chips so I saved LOTS of time doing a chuvol on the internal
drives.  The hardest part was taking the nodes apart and swapping stuff
around.  One machine was loaded with Domain/OS and the other was loaded
with HP-UX.  The Fujitsu drives were supposed to go on the Domain
machine, but I couldn't take either machine down during the week while
the engineers would be using them.

Thanks for everyone and their help.  Yes, you can connect external
Fujitsu 2266SA drives to an HP/Apollo 400t or 425t (ROM revisions 2.0
and 3.0 tested only.)
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "Mom, it's Data.  I heard you know
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Wesley  "Datalore"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
From: wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: re: SCSI on the 3500 ??
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:33:22 GMT
Reply-To: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl
Organization: Digital Systems, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <9204061908.AA02283@pan.ssec.honeywell.com>, thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) writes:
=> 
=> 
=> > How do you activate a disk on the SCSI bus of the 3500 ?
=> > It seems to have a WD 7000V-ASE contrller.
=> 
=> You can't attach a SCSI hard disk to anything but a DN2500 and the 9000/400
=> series.  The drivers are only there for tapes and related junk (including 
=> cd-rom, which looks like a disk but isn't).
=> 
=> I think this is in the FAQ, no longer distributed periodically or updated,
=> unless somebody's taken it under their wing....

Yup, I am doing it now.
But it seems that my postings arn't getting very far. So could people
please acknowledge this article.

I'll try to post the FAQ ASAP again, when I know what's going on.

	Ciao,	Willem Jan

-- 
Eindhoven University of Technology   DomainName:  wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl    
Digital Information Systems Group, Room EH 10.35 
P.O. 513                             Tel: +31-40-473401
5600 MB Eindhoven                    The Netherlands
From: mse@ttsi.lonestar.org (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: xinit, Xdomain, DISPLAY=unix:0.0
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:30:50 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: st

In article <GIROD.92Apr8160716@node_262d6.tele.nokia.fi> girod@tele.nokia.fi (Marc Girod) writes:
>Where does this DISPLAY=unix:0.0 come from?
>
>I start Xdomain from my .profile with the following command:
>
>xdmc "cp -n x11start /bin/ksh -c '/usr/bin/X11/xinit -- /etc/Xdomain bc' ;icon x11start;wc x11start -a"
>
>Before this, I have carefully defined my DISPLAY like this:
>
>export DISPLAY=$(/etc/hostid):0.0
                       ^^^^^^
                       Do you mean `hostname'?


>
>I have then a very simple .xinitrc file:
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>#!/bin/sh
>xrdb -load ~/.Xresources
>mwm
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I start most of my applications through mwm menus.
>
>What annoys me is that the DISPLAY they get is DISPLAY=unix:0.0
>Where do they get it from?
>
>I tried to echo $DISPLAY in .xinitrc, and checked that it is already
>unix:0.0 there. I tried then to force it to the value of my choice,
>both by specifying it explicitely on the xinit command line with:
>
>	-display $DISPLAY
>
>and by setting it again within .xinitrc, but then Xdomain just fails
>to reply to mwm, which exits after a score of retries!
>
>Any enlightments?
>
>My environment:
>
>HP/Apollo DN 2500
>Domain/OS kernel(9), revision 10.3.5.1, September 6, 1991  1:43:54 pm
>
>Thanks a lot!
>--
>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| Marc Girod - Nokia Telecommunications            Email: girod@tele.nokia.fi |
>| TL4E - P.O. Box 12                               Phone: +358-0-511 7703     |
>| SF-02611 Espoo 61 - Finland                      Fax:   +358-0-511 7432     |
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-- 
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Phone: 214-516-6201           1255 W 15th St.
Fax:   214-516-6805           Plano, TX 75075
Mail:  mse@ttsi.lonestar.org
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh [Unruh])
Subject: Apollo 2500 as X terminals
Summary: Apollo 2500 s as X Terminals
Keywords: 2500 Apollo X X-terminal standalone
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:23:57 GMT

We have a few Apollo 2500s which we would like to convert to X terminals
for use in our network of Suns. Right now they are running 10.2 BSD, but
I would rather kill off the whole operating system, and just run them as
X terminals because of the administrative overhead  ( and the rediculous
lack of security of the machines). Are there any such programs/systems
available? I do not want to simply have each user run X instead of
Domain.  
Bill Unruh
unruh@physics.ubc.ca
From: wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: DM editor from applications?
Keywords: DM editor
Date: 30 Mar 92 11:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl
Organization: Digital Systems, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Mar26.194108.2491@nrtpa038.bnr.ca>, swamp@nrtpa22.bnr.ca (Steve Swamp) writes:
=> In a particular X-based application (xrn), one of the options
=> allows you to specify the path for your favorite editor, such
=> as vi, emacs, etc. We also have several in-house applications
=> that have the same capability. I would like to use the generic
=> display manager editor for these. Is there a named program that
=> will do this? Is there any way to call the dm editor other than
=> the command line?

Grab: /pub/apollo/dmedit.tar.Z 
from: ftp.eb.ele.tue.nl

Which give you exactly this goodies.

	Willem Jan.

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Digital Systems Group, Room EH 10.10 
P.O. 513                             Tel: +31-40-473401
5600 MB Eindhoven                    The Netherlands
From: wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: New patch notes are available
Date: 1 Apr 92 11:51:36 GMT
Reply-To: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl
Organization: Digital Systems, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

The march patch notes for m68k-series and the DN10000 are
available from ftp.eb.ele.tue.nl in /pub/apollo/

	Willem Jan Withagen
-- 
Eindhoven University of Technology   DomainName:  wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl    
Digital Systems Group, Room EH 10.35 
P.O. 513                             Tel: +31-40-473401
5600 MB Eindhoven                    The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: mikel@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael G. Lohmeyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Adding Memory to DN460/660
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Originator: mikel@blackbox


     For those of you have have had experience with older Apollos, I am
trying to add memory to a DN460 or DN660 machine.  The memory boards that
I have for these machines are the Apollo 2 Meg boards populated with 
41256 DRAMs.  The boards are only half populated though, so it seems that
it would be possible to upgrade a 2 Meg board to 4 Meg by populating the
rest of the board and setting the jumpers correctly.  I have actually 
tried this, and it did not work.

     I soldered sockets and capacitors onto the board and inserted 4256-10
DRAMS in the sockets.  Then I used the /systest/ssr_util/jumper program 
to help me set the jumpers on the boards (I did this to two boards) so 
they were configured as 4 Meg boards.  I tired interleved and non-interleved
setups for the boards.  The first memtest worked fine (writing to memory and
verifying what was written), but none of the ECC (Error checking and
correction) logic seemed to work so the board got constant ECC errors
(the second memtest test).  Obviously, I couldn't boot the machine with
these boards either.

     So the question is, how do I make these boards work.  Apollo usually
made quite a few modifications to the boards in the DN460/660 series
machines.  The two memory boards that I have are part number 3984 (or 
something like that, their most common DN460/660 memory board used), rev
level 10 boards.  There are mod wires all over these boards.  I assume
that the mods are only meant for 2 Meg boards, and different mods are
needed for 4 Meg boards.  Is there anyone out there that knows how to
do these mods?  Or, does anyone out there have a 4 Meg board?

     Any replys to email or the net would be greatly appreciated.

Mike
-------------
Mike Lohmeyer				mikel@berlioz.nsc.com
National Semiconductor Corporation	Santa Clara CA
(408) 721-8075
From: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Apollo X questions
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:32:15 GMT
Reply-To: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au


Hi, 

Has anyone got a cut down version of the startup programs which starts X
and any necessary daemons, so that an DN/3500 can be used as an X terminal ?


Does anyone have an R5 version of Xapollo ?

Michael Sargent
Systems Programmer.
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The Lemming.
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From: yman@matilda.vut.edu.au (Yauman NG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Help ! Rgyd died every 3 days
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:39:40 GMT
Reply-To: yman@matilda.vut.edu.au (Yauman NG)
Organization: Victoria University of Technology, Melb, Australia

The master rgyd running on one of our 3500 died every 3 to 4 days.
 and log the following messages


********************************************************************************
*********
1992/04/01. 7:08:28, root.wheel.none.198A6, Domain/OS kernel(7), revision 10.3.5
, June 19, 1991  8:22:11 am
RGYD version 1.2, 89/10/06
Unable to rename database (network computing system/Registry Server Replication)

Checkpoint Task
Cannot rename files during checkpoint

No fault information available
?(errlog) no fault information available (Debug/cross process traceback)

********************************************************************************
*********
1992/04/01. 7:08:29, root.wheel.none.198A6, Domain/OS kernel(7), revision 10.3.5
, June 19, 1991  8:22:11 am
RGYD version 1.2, 89/10/06
Unable to rename database (network computing system/Registry Server Replication)

distinguished_task
DT exiting

No fault information available
?(errlog) no fault information available (Debug/cross process traceback)

********************************************************************************
*********
1992/04/03.13:59:53, root.wheel.none.198A6, Domain/OS kernel(7), revision 10.3.5
, June 19, 1991  8:22:11 am
RGYD version 1.2, 89/10/06
software termination fault (UNIX/signal)

distinguished_task
DT exiting

Fault Status    0901000F: software termination fault (UNIX/signal)
User Fault PC   3B42070A
D0-D3:          00000000 00000010 3B3D9578 3B3D00E6
D4-D7:          00000002 3B3D95EE 0000000F 00000400
A0-A3:          3C2E2C30 3C3A97C8 3B3D9584 3B3D8110
A4-A7:          3B3D00C6 3B402B9C 3B15EDE4 3B15ED70
Supervisor ECB  00000000
Supervisor SR   0000
Supervisor PC   00000000
software termination fault (UNIX/signal)


Another related (or unrelated) problems are that the tcpd
also lock up after 4 to 5 days. The network file system, crp
etc still work. 

Thanks in advance for those who respond.

Yauman Ng
E-mail : Yman@matilda.vut.edu.au
From: tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:30:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Xdomain woes...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo


> NOOOO!!!  I've logged this as an APR and even told you personally
> Tom.   /usr/lib/X11 should be a link to ../../../X11/lib otherwise ....

Correct.  Translated through 3 bug tracking systems to correctly arrive in
the lap of the guy across the aisle from me.

Defect Number:CISlx09344      STARS SR #5003047282    Submitter: Philip Pokorny
 Project: ITOgateway   Software:LAC4BB
 Status: OPEN     Severity:    Priority: 
 Received: 920330 Engineer: xxxx xxxxxx Symptoms:bei
 Desc: Various install problems with UEDK 1.1

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.mentor