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From: monitn@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto)
Subject: Re: type III tapes
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:35:39 GMT

falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:

>to the best of my knowledge type III tapes are the kind that are used to
>record a video signal, like VHS and Betamax... if i am wrong please let me
>know... i have asked this question before and have never really gotten a
>straigh answer...
>--

Type III was an audio tape back many years ago. It (obviously) fell between II
(CrO2) and IV ('metal'), and I believe was some kind of hybrid of the two. It
fell out of use some time ago, and has no individual support on today's gear.
As far as I know it has nothing to do with video tape.

Nick
monitn@rpi.edu


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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Pro Audio Spectrum 16?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:48:54 GMT

Have any audiophile or live recording buff types done any serious
listening tests on the Pro Audio Spectrum 16 or comparable products?
These are Soundblaster-like A/D-D/A boards that plug into a personal
computer and do CD-like sampling (16 bits, 2 channels, 44.1 khz).
Prices start around $200.

Just think, with one of these and a 5 GB Exabyte tape drive,
you could do bit for bit copies of ten CD's on a $4 videotape
and not pay any DAT tax.... You wouldn't do *that* now would you though.


Standard and nonstandard disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: Yamaha DSP A1000
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:13:33 GMT

>>  After reading some of the reviews here on the net and doing some
>>research I have decided I would like to get the Yamaha DSP A1000
>>A/V amp.  The best price I have found is $1134 delivered from a place
>>called Amerisound (904 262 9800).  Has anyone dealt with these people
>>or seen a better price?

>They are triple distilled slimeballs who have no stock on anything.... and I am
>sure that your "low" price only applies to checks with a 4 week lead time.

Check J&R Music World.  I have had very good luck with them, and they
are Yamaha factory authorized (one of the few mail order places who are).
When I was calling for my Yamaha receiver, I asked them for a price on
the DSP-A1000, and they said $1150, without any bargaining or anything.
This was also a month or so ago, so they may have lowered the price
since Yamaha released their new models.

One thing to watch out for with J&R, though:  they didn't ask me for
a daytime phone #, but tried to call to confirm my order (to prevent
credit card fraud).  Of course, I was at the office when they called,
and didn't find out about this until a week later.  Other than that,
I had absolutely no problem dealing with them.

Mike
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From: Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Paradigm speaker comparisons
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:04:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.20128
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> Ty Bower writes:
>
> >The passive radiator in the 9se adds a bit more bass. Sonically there
> >isn't that big a diff between the 7 and 9.
>
> There is no passive radiator in any Paradigm loudspeakers.  The 9se
> use a single 1 inch tweeter and two 8 inch bass/mid units.  Both bass
> drivers are powered and active.  Sonically, I think there is an
> easily discernable difference between the 9se and the 7se.

Yes, there is definitely aa difference (most obviously more bass.  Not
deeper, just more).  I listened to them the other day and did not find the
9se to be an improvment over the 7. That's not so much a strike against the 9
as a compliment to the 7. :)

Frank.
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MIND LINK! Communications Corp. Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: gfl@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (lenahan,grant f)
Subject: Re: Digital critics - sampling argument is nonsense
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:18:22 GMT
Summary: Woof

In article <1993Jan21.213648.32065@watson.ibm.com>, zellers@22_clancy.manassas.ibm.com (Cevin M Zellers ) writes:
> But to go back to John Galloways argument, you state that only the 'canine
> inspired' can diffentiate between a 20KHz sawtooth and a sine. But thats
> enough for me to take my signal generator down Audio Buys (D.C.) and give
> this experiment a first-hand-test. Roof Roof :) :)
> 
> If I can tell the difference, I may just have to scrap my CD's and plug in
> the old vinyl player until you guys pull the sampling frequency out another
> 50 KHz!
 Cevin-

You presume that master tapes have frequencies above 20 kHz, 
that the cutting head lays them down, and that your RIAA section
doesn't further attenuate them on you (it does).

You MAY be able to hear 20+ kHz, but records won't
give it to you eitheR.

Grant

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
Subject: re: The Bose flame war: Equalizer Bunk
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:42:38 GMT

In article <93022.112357MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>
>The mere fact that 901s are sold with an equilizer is testament to their
>poor design.

This is so much nonsense. Using active equalization is a perfectly valid
engineering methodology to achieve a particular response. For example, one
very nice design is to design a sealed box system with a Qtc of 0.5
(seriously overdamped) then use a two-pole active high pass filter with a
cutoff the same as the system resonance with a relatively high Q. The
result is a 4th order system with high efficiency, relatively small
cabinet and flat frequency response. 

Having defended the technique of active equalization, PLEASE don't think I
am condoning Bose's obvious abuse of the technique. You can't get
reasonable linear bass out of a system well below resonance. The technique
I outlined above results in about a 6 dB maximum boost in the EQ at
resonance, then a rolloff below that. The Bose EQ has a boost (as I can
recall) of almost 24 dB well below resonance. The inevitable, physically
unavoidable result is nothing more than LOTS of distortion. Period.

On the same token, don't take Bose's abuse as evidence to heap wholesale
condemnation on an otherwise valuable technique.
-- 
|                Dick Pierce                |
|    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |
| 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |
|       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |
From: rmg53668@dcl-nxt53 (Ryan Martin Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Loud Music, Noise cancelation systems?
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:47:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:

>In article <C14E3p.6rs@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (A. J. Dean) writes:
>>Ryan Martin Grant (rmg53668@dcl-nxt53) wrote:
>>: I've read (in Popular Science) about new tech where sound is analysed
>>: in real time using chips and an opposite wave is generated to cancel the
>>: signal.
>>
>>I can see that sort of thing getting very popular when DSP and ADC
>>technology get cheap enough. Cancelling a sound field rather than a
>>single source would require more channels, but if it's cheap...
>>
>>Another reason is that if you use some form of adaptive filtering (the
>>easiest way to do it?) you end up with a very general plug-and-go
>>sort of arrangement. No complicated tuning procedures etc, it does
>>it by itself. Also, the system could be used to make sound as well.

>And then the next improvement, of course, would be a system that could be
>used both to cancel and reproduce sound at the same time.  Imagine the end
>user's surprise when he wonders why his 200 watt amplifier begins clipping
>for no apparent reason on a soft musical passage, and suddenly he realizes
>that his system has been cancelling out the sound of a helicopter flying
>directly overhead.  :-)

>Portable stereos could have the sound cancelling features built in as well,
>so that you could take your jambox to the movies and set it up to cancel
>the people who won't stop talking.

>I can see it now - the marketing types can call it Sound Forcefield (tm).
....
>        But wait!!  There's more.  This wonderful device also doubles
>        as a stereo system!  Simply hook up your CD player or tape deck
>        and get wonderful audio reproduction as well.  In fact, the system
>        can be used to cancel background noise *while* playing music.
....
>        The possibilities are endless!"

They seem endless, yes.  Imagine an end to noise pollution as we know it.
It would be beautiful.

These dreams are very similar to my own, but I was wondering if any 
rec.audio wizards could bring up any hard facts for/against this technology
ever going mainstream.

- Ryan Grant
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: DAT, DCC and MD
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:10:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.024858.11634@e2big.mko.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan21.202342.7073@news.columbia.edu>,
>gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:
>|>
>|>  DAT is neither "cool" nor compatible, which makes it strike out
>|>from a consumer point of view.
>
>THIS is the real reason DAT lost out in the consumer marketplace.  Lack of
>pizzaz, plus no pre-recorded tapes.

Well, sort of--I'd venture to say that the principal reason that DAT has
done relatively poorly in the consumer arena is that the marketing hype/
new toy appeal was wasted at a time when DATs were nearly unavailable in
this country.  If, on the other hand, product availability had been 
anything close to synchronous with consumer excitement over the product,
DAT might have become far more popular, especially if there had been
aggressively priced units, especially for automotive use available not
long afterwards.

Trygve 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: beaulieu@bose.com (Larry Beaulieu)
Subject: Re: Bose Bunk, was Re: Bose Speakers
Organization: Bose Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:21:58 GMT



>Just curious - does the good doctor know about the existance of this
>newsgroup?  [And, no, I'm not going to tell him!!!  He'd no doubt
>try and shut us down!]

	Yes.  Some of us even read it.
--

--
Larry Beaulieu			beaulieu@bose.com
Bose Corporation		Phone: 508-879-1916 x6479
Framingham, MA 01701-9168	FAX:   508-820-4865	

		All flames gleefully ignored.
From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Help, need more bass
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:22:47 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:

>In article <93021.154227KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>|> Hi,
>|> 
>|> I have an Aiwa NSX350 bookshelf system that I like very much except I would
>|> like to get more bass out of it.  The output is 30 watts at 6 ohms.  I talked
>|> to the so-called "expert" at Cambridge Soundworks to see if it could power
>|> their Ensemble II system but she couldn't tell me anything at all.  Then I
>|> went to the audio store and the salesman just put his nose up in the air and
>|> said he onlys deals with "high-end" sound equipment.  Since then I've wondered
>|> if an unpowered subwoofer like the Cerwin Vega 12-inch subwoofer would work
>|> without blowing the amp.  I'd appreciate any viewpoints or experiences.  Please
>|> E-mail it,though,and I'll post if there's a large response.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Get a powered subwoofer. Mirage, Energy, M&K, Velodyne, HSU, etc.
>all have powered subs. Your mini system will not be able to power
>an unpowered 12" sub !

	Buying a $800-$2000+ powered subwoofer to go with a $200-$400
Aiwa boombox is ludicrous.

	If you want bass, start building a quality system of
seperates. And worry about the midrange first-- where do you think the
vocals and most of the instrument sounds come from?

							-Cal
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Advice on bookshelf speakers
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:54:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.225752.4956@news.acns.nwu.edu> interpol@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Drew Cheng) writes:
>In article <0fLQQQm00iUy45YXB7@andrew.cmu.edu> Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I am looking for a small and relatively inexpensive bookshelf speaker in the
[deletion alert!]
>Take a look at the PSB Alpha bookshelf speakers.  Good price at $299/pair, and
>they sound great.
>

Is it just me or just South Bend or what?  $299/pr for PSB Alpha is not that
good of a deal and I can't stand the sound.  A friend was looking at bookshelf
speakers recently and the salesman would not stop pushing those damn PSB Alpha'sThey were about $200/pr and when I listened to them compared to Polk Monitor 4
I was totally unimpressed.  My friend bought the Polk's.  I also compared them
to the Pinnacles (I don't know the model but they are small) and the Pinnacles
sounded better than the Alpha's also but I liked the Polk's more than the Pin's
anyway.  Is this PSB Alpha that I keep hearing about on the net and I read
something about it in a rag, really so good?  (I know, personal perference
and all that)  Is it just so new to this poor (I mean terrible) market that 
they have lowered the price to get them out?  (They supposedly did that with
some Luxman equipment in South Bend and it still didn't catch on)  I don't
know but I thought the sound was far too bright and harsh.  Just MHO and
nothing more.

Mike


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| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: davidl@microsoft.com (David Long)
Subject: Why would CD carousel sound worse than single-play?
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:43:13 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

It seems to me that with CD players, designing the unit as 
a carousel changer shouldn't result in any degradation of
sound quality compared to a single-play  unit.  However, 
some salespeople have told me that the single-plays sound 
better.  I don't understand why.

My understanding of the situation:
In both systems, the drawer is responsible for transporting
the CD to the "reading location", where it is clamped, lifted,
and spun at the appropriate RPM.  The laser then reads the bits
off the disc.  So why would it make a difference for the CD
to have been delivered by rotation vs by linear drawer action?
The CD is lifted off the tray, right?  So resonance or the 
structural rigidity of the drawer shouldn't matter.  

I read the FAQ and didn't see anything addressing this issue
of sound quality between single-play, carousel, and magazine
CD changers.  

Any advice welcome,
David Long

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:56:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>>Some people's musical taste is strange, indeed!
>Perhaps your taste is more exclusive than some.
>-- 
>Member HASA - Athiest Scum Division
>----------
jj, I though the first was a joke!

Kirk out
From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:35:12 GMT
Subject: Re: CD vs. LP again (was Re: Preamp and Amp)
Message-ID: <1190797@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>
Newsgroups: rec.audio

In rec.audio, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:

> Kurt, you seem bent on defamation.  

> Sigh, you've gone too far this time.  You've said enough
> things that are too close to what I do, and that are
> easily pointed to as false, that I can't let it ride.

...

> STOP IT NOW and admit that you have entirely misrepresented
> my positions, stated consistantly here and in other places.
> You seem hell-bent on creating yourself a following
> by persecuting yourself with your own straw men, and I'm
> just a wee bit sick of it.

When you can stop calling me names and treat me with some respect, maybe you'll
earn mine.  You have defamed me as much in my opinion.  I will not retract a
word as a result.  So quit whining at me, please. 

Kurt "Luddite, mystic, liar" Strain.

From: denny@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Trueman Denny)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:44:38 GMT
Subject: TUBE AMP Questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

I am considering the purchase of a Audio Research D-75 Tube Amplifier from

a gentlemen who previously purchased it as used.  This model was manufactured

from 1972 -1975.  I would appreciate any information you may have on this

amp.  The unit is in very good physical condition and appears to have been

well taken care of.

Is a asking price of $650 to high?  The blue book says $420 to $450.

Does a D-75 run through Tubes, and can I do the biasing myself?

Can modifications to improve or upgrade the amp be made?

Is the amp easy to maintain and service?

Any comments on sound quality would be appreciated.

I may also purchase a pair of McIntosh MC-30 Mono Tube amps and would

appreciate similar information on the the MC-30's.  I have no previous

experience with tube amplifiers.  Please send your replys to my email

address.


Thanks In Advance!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kega@nobeltech.se (Kent Gabrin)
Subject: Re: What happen to dbx?
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:35:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.194204.12111@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> sr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (s. satya vardhan reddy) writes:
>
>What ever happen to the dbx noice cancellation. I believe that it is still
>better than Dolby S or Dolby HX Pro. I bought two tape decks with it in the
>middle 80's but I don't even hear of it anymore.
>
>	sr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

   Another place where you find dbx (or it might be a dbx-like
circuit) is in the PCM sound of Video-8. Before doint the A/D
conversion (32kHz 8 bit NONlinear) the analogue sound is compressed in
a dbx like fashion. Of course my memory might be wrong so please
correct me.

Kent Gabrin   NobelTech Systems    ! My thinking is not as great as
S-175 88 Jaerfaella      Sweden    ! Oliver Berendinus Bumble /Will Try
KEGA@nobeltech.se
From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: MUSIC of THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:33:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: BBN
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1993Jan25.192632.3325@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
wrote (quoting from *God* knows where):
 ....
>                              THE DIVINE MASTERS       
>       
>                Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that 
>           Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of 
>           God into the physical world, God Incarnate. 
  (And on, and on, and on, ...)

Hey! What the hell is this doing on rec.audio? I though that we had enough
of our own religious wars.

>               Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune 
>          His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND 
>          CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as 
>          "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally 

Are some cables better that other at reproducing the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"?
Can LPs or CDs possibly capture the "SOUND CURRENT"? What sampling rate and
bit resolution is needed to capture spirituality with full front-to-back
imaging and tight base response?

>          are still connected to their living physical bodies by a 
>          "silver cord". 

I use an oxygen-free, chakra-aligned copper cord myself. At least 10-gauge
for a deeply meaningful experience, with minimal risk of an untimely
separation.

>               True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of 
>          REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved 
>          only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE", which is five 

Cycles of reincarnation tend to be about 40-80 years long. That's somewhere
down around 0.0000000004 to 0.0000000008 Hz -- well beyond the capability
of today's audio equipment! And anyway, the airports are such a hassle
these days, I prefer to use the "SOUL TRAIN".

>               Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with 
>          the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a temporary world 

Correct. Corey Greenberg is the Anti-Christ.

>               People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or 
>          other orthodox religions with a physically DEAD Master, will 

With a proper amount of added reverb a or good lively acoustical space,
dead masters can be brought back to life. Perhaps this explains cathedral
acoustics.

>               The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different 
>          Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on 
>          the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a 
>          flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar, 

The same effect can be achieved listening to Rampal through a damaged
tweeter.

-Kerry
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Amp and Preamp
X-Xxdate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:21:42 GMT
Organization: BNR Ltd.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:12:05 GMT


My arguments have been consistently mis-interpreted, my views consistently
mis-represented and many riduculous conclusions eloquently drawn by many
posters in bashing LP.  But I no longer care.

Lon, Kerry, thanks for the entertainment, and I wish I could continue the
discussion, but I no longer have the time.  Have to finish my
speakers, pre-amp, homebrew, motorcycle repairs etc....(and, ya, work).

Ciao,

Dave Dal Farra
BNR Ottawa
Audio and Acoustics Group