From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:27:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <MACRAKIS.92Sep4155948@next4.osf.org>, macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macr
akis) writes:
>I said that civil servants in Vlachophone villages could make some
>effort to learn the local language, Vlach traditions could be taught
>in schools, etc.  I also said that Greece is no better or worse than
>most other European countries in this respect.
>
>In article <1992Sep3.183104.10550@cs.wisc.edu>
>schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas) replied:
>
>   Come on, give me a break! Do civil servants in Crete speak cretan,
>   in Ionian islands the local (heavily influenced by italian) dialect,
>   etc.
>
>As you know, Yanni, Cretan and Ionian dialects are very close to
>standard Greek.  Vlach is not.
>
>   Modern Greek were established out of the need of the newly founded
>   state to have a common language.
>
>I have no problem with this.  All I said was that local officials
>could make `some effort' to be accomodating.
>
>   In modern states, you cannot have 100 different dialects taught at
>   public schools. Local dialects are nowadays more of a matter of
>   cultural clubs than public education.
>
>I guess France is no longer a modern state.  After all, until a few
>years ago, children were punished for using local languages or
>dialects in school.  But now, Corsican (Italian dialect), Occitan
>(Provencal), Breton (Celtic language), Lorrain (German dialect), and
>Dutch are taught in the public schools in those regions.
>
>We then brought up the issue of the origin of the Vlachs.  Schoinas
>says:
>
>   Actually, there was a recent series of articles in Eleytherotypia
>   about the origins and culture of the vlachs. This was supposed to be
>   the most widely accepted one.
>
>My reference was works on Romance philology.  Your reference is a
>newspaper article.  I tend to believe the former rather than the
>latter.
>
>   ...I am not sure how widely accepted is the theory of the romanian
>   descent of the vlachs outside the romanian cycles.
>
>By philological evidence, Greek Vlach dialects are closely related to
>certain Rumanian dialects.  Thus it seems unlikely that they evolved
>independently since Roman times.  You asserted that Greek Vlach and
>Rumanian are as distantly related as French and Italian; this
>contradicts everything I've read on Romance philology (mostly by
>Western European and North American scholars, not Romanians!).
>
>       -s
>

Loipon, as mhn brethei twra kaneis pou na mhn katalabei to point mou:
Oti autos o tipotenios anthrwpakos den xanei eukairia na ekfrasthei kata twn
ellhnikwn symferontwn SE KATHE THEMA! (oxi mono gia ta Skopia). Kai mhn
brethei kaneis na xarakthrisei auton ton graikylo, pou poios kserei pio
komplex ton ekane na mishsei thn idia thn prwhn patrida tou, Ellhna, giati tha
mou anapsoun ta lampakia... Den ginetai pantou oi epishmes ellhnikes theseis
na einai lathos kai autos o fwsthras swstos.

Sas eipa: 4 xronia toulaxiston, to idio styl, kai se KATHE thema. Think about
it...

Kai an yparxei kati s' auth thn istoria pou me euxaristei einai oti emeis oi
Ellhnes mporei na bgaloume kati tetoious prodotes kai omws na sebomaste
apolyta to dikaiwma tous na ekfrazontai eleuthera xwris kanena fobo. Auto
deixnei oti exoume elpides gia to mellon san laos. Sygkrinete me tous
memethdes, pou kaneis den exei tolmhsei pote na milhsei enantion tou orgiou
propagandas pou den tha pw onoma gia na mhn me piasoun ta kill files... :-)

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