HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: INN newbie has innd, nnrpd, trn interaction questions
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:55:22 GMT

markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:
: 
: I notice that innd supports a "mode reader" command to force the socket to
: be handed off to nnrpd.  Therefore, if I get CERFnet to initially speak the
: innd command set with me, I can innxmit just fine.  I could also use NNTP-mode
: trn if I could convince it to issue a "mode reader" command right after
: connecting to innd.
: 
: Has anybody out there solved this problem?  Am I overlooking anything obvious?
: Trn 2.2 shouldn't be too hard to patch to try a "mode reader" command after
: connection; I thought I'd ask first to save myself the trouble of re-inventing
: the wheel.

This was implemented in the 'tin' newsreader, and I'm preparing a patch for
the NNR newsreader for VM.  As INN propagates, I expect this to be a problem
more often... in fact, it'll be a problem for sites that both forward news
via NNTPXMIT/INNXMIT/NNTPLINK and retrieve news via nntpxfer/nntpget as
well, because the latter have to switch to MODE READER as well.

It looks pretty trivial.  We don't run TRN here, so I'll have to leave
the specifics for Wayne to deal with.

Here's a few tips I've found by reading the INN and reference implementation
source, and poking the news-server at one of my feed-sites:

(1) If you are talking to a reference-implementation nntpd, rather than
    INN, MODE READER will get a 500 unrecognized command response.  No
    biggie.

(2) If you're connected to innd and enter MODE READER, it will kick you
    to nnrpd, which will validate your host and respond with a numeric/text
    response code.

(3) If your host isn't a peer, you'll be kicked directly to nnrpd.  Nnrpd
    will accept the MODE READER command as well, although it's pretty-much
    a no-op.  You should get a response, just as in case 2 above.

(4) If your host isn't allowed read/post access you'll get a 502 in response
    to MODE READER, and nnrpd will drop the connection.

(5) If you are allowed to post, you'll get a 200 response.  If you're read-
    only, you'll get a 201 response.

(6) If the server is not accepting connections due to load, disk space, etc
    it appears you'll get a 400 response.  Send a QUIT and close the con-
    nection.
--
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Sluggish RN
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:49:29 GMT

We're running RN, version 4.4 and we have about 2550 newsgroups in our
active file. The performance of RN has really degraded since we started
taking a full feed.
 
Is there some fine-tuning that we can do to make it more efficient??
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From: peter@dragon.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: Re: What is the advantage of INN over CNews?
Keywords: inn cnews
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:57:43 GMT

>INN is designed for hosts on the Internet with a fair amount of memory and
>multiple fast incoming NNTP feeds.  It's a full Usenet system, but most
>traffic is NNTP.  (E.g., rnews unpacks a batch and sends it to the server
>via NNTP.)  If you do NNTP, you'll find it easier to maintain the one
>single system, rather than two.  INN is also fast, if you care about
>that.  Posting is synchronous -- when inews returns, the article has been
>written to disk and queued for forwarding.  INN puts a low, constant, load
>on your machine.

So, if we get our news via a single 56K baud line, we shouldn't
consider INN? Does our feader site also need INN running, or is
it independent of what the feeder site uses. Right now we're running
cnews and get our news in batches via nntpsend every 20 minutes.

On another note, INN *must* have more going for it than just what
is described above. What other reasons might make it worthwhile to
switch to INN. I've got it planned as a summer project but it
never hurts to plan ahead....
-- 
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Acadia Univ., Wolfville, NS, Canada B0P 1X0  902-542-2201  Fax: 902-542-4364
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: dejesus@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: What to do with files in incoming/bad
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:42:00 GMT

What is the "standard" thing to do with news batch files that end up
in the incoming/bad directory? How do I force my news system to process
these files and extract/store the individual articles?

Please reply by email. Will summarize if interest...
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.software.nntp,news.software.readers
Subject: INN newbie has innd, nnrpd, trn interaction questions
Date: 16 Dec 1992 15:45:15 -0800
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.dis.cccd.edu

I've just installed INN and I'm running it in parallel with my existing
CNews setup (separate spools & active/history/etc files) until I'm comfortable
with it.

The existing CNews setup feeds with CERFnet, and also permits the use of NNTP-
mode trn to access newsgroups not subscribed to on my local machine.  I'd like
to accomplish something similar under INN, but I'm confused.

The NNTP commands available from port 119 when running INN differ depending
on whether you're talking to innd or nnrpd.  The nnrpd command set is what
NNTP-mode trn requires to work properly, yet the innd command set is required
for innxmit to transmit my articles.  This prevents both feeding & trn from
coexisting peacefully.

I notice that innd supports a "mode reader" command to force the socket to
be handed off to nnrpd.  Therefore, if I get CERFnet to initially speak the
innd command set with me, I can innxmit just fine.  I could also use NNTP-mode
trn if I could convince it to issue a "mode reader" command right after
connecting to innd.

Has anybody out there solved this problem?  Am I overlooking anything obvious?
Trn 2.2 shouldn't be too hard to patch to try a "mode reader" command after
connection; I thought I'd ask first to save myself the trouble of re-inventing
the wheel.
From: rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: CNEWS or BNEWS on Xenix
Keywords: news xenix mail cnews bnews
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:32:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US


Can anyone tell me if its possible to run cnews4 on xenix 2.3.2. Someone told
me to stick to bnews but I read somewhere that cnews is quickier and much more
powerful.

Regards, Rick.

-- 
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From: peter@dragon.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: What is the advantage of INN over CNews?
Keywords: inn cnews
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:53:33 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) writes:

>> I've got it planned as a summer project but it
>>never hurts to plan ahead....
>You're planning now for the summer?  Wow, I am impressed.  Nay, amazed.

Planning is one thing. *Implementing* the plans is another....
-- 
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From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: inn - 'cant nonblock 16 Invalid argument'
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:55:39 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Nntp-Posting-User: per

In article <1gb1usINN5e2@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>It turns out that this is happening because /usr/spool/news on the
>machine running innd is an NFS-mounted filesystem, and innd is trying
>to do an FIONBIO on my feed file, which is under /usr/spool/news/out.going.
>
>(tal@warren.mentorg.com adds:)
>All news transports (INN, C news, B news) want the spool partition to
>be local.  Newsreader can read from an NFS mounted partition without
>any problems but innd should only see local partitions.  NFS has a blantant
>disreguard for many of the file semantics that are needed for a good news
>implementation.  If you don't agree, please feel free to prove the authors
>of B news, C news, TMNNN (?), and INN wrong.  Include source code.

I certainly agree that the news transport shouldn't access the spool via
NFS - but why does INN try to to do an FIONBIO on a *file*?  Surely it
wouldn't be very expensive to precede it with an fstat, or perhaps
follow the failed FIONBIO with one, or just remember that it is a file
since the opening...?

--Per Hedeland
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From: xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams)
Subject: Re: inn - 'cant nonblock 16 Invalid argument'
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:46:00 GMT

In article <Bz9B1L.828@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams) writes:
>In article <1gb1usINN5e2@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>>In <Bz3rA9.61r@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams) writes:
>>
>>>I am installing INN 1.2 on SunOS 4.1.3.  I am getting many of these
>>>error messages in /var/log/news/news.err:
>>
>>>Dec 11 04:10:08 news innd: ME cant nonblock 16 Invalid argument
>>[...]
>>
>>Sounds like you're using an NFS mounted partition.  Bzzzt.
>
>No, /var/spool/news and /usr/local/news are on local disks.
>
>I there anyone else out there running it on 4.1.3,  how about 4.1.3 on a
>SPARCServer 10.

I think I found the problem.  I set up the newsfeeds file like our sys
file was set up for c-news in that I made the nntplink feeds write to
/dev/null.  I think it was trying to nonblock /dev/null.  Now I have my
nntplink entry looking like this:

:Tc,Wfm:/usr/local/news/bin/nntplink -i stdin uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

It seems like I tried Tc when I had inn compiled with Sun's unbundled
compiler and it did not work so I did it the /dev/null way until I
could find the problem.  Since then I compiled it with /bin/cc and it
works.

Chad Adams
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From: cs@Germany.EU.net (Chris Schmidt)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: inn - 'cant nonblock 16 Invalid argument'
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:31:22 GMT
Organization: EUnet Backbone, Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: obsolete.germany.eu.net

In article <Bz9B1L.828@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams) writes:
|> 
|> I there anyone else out there running it on 4.1.3,  how about 4.1.3 on a
|> SPARCServer 10.

We are running INN 1.2 on a SparcServer II running 4.1.3 without any
problems at all ...

	Chris Schmidt

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From: greg@iphasew.com (Greg Bulman)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: CNews, help install in Sun4/Sun3 network
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:03:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Interphase Corporation, Santa Clara CA

I've installed CNews on our Sun4/280 and I've installed the lastest trn
also.  Both work find on the local host newsserver.  Trn works fine (for
reading news anyway ... haven't tried posting) throughout the network
regardless of architecture.

My problem lies in the Cnew postnews replacement (replacing the Bnews
postnews).  The whole Cnews distribution mentions nary a word of how to
install in whole or in part in a heterogenous network.  E.g. postnews is
a script which I put in /usr/local/bin (which is mounted arch specific).
However is calls other things which are binaries and there seems to be
far too much hacking to install the Sun3 versions (let alone build them)
so they can be found.

What do other folks do out there?  Do you just reply on your newsreaders to
do the posting for you?  I've always just called postnews myself but maybe
that's now inefficient and no longer the accepted norm.  I'll be installing
NNTP here soon and the xrn (I think) newsreader too.  With all these updates
maybe I don't need to use the old tools at all but I'd some kind of new tool
to old tool comparison.  You can't take away my hammer, give me a toolbox
FULL of new tools, blindfold me, and expect me to find the tool that does job
of the hammer when it doesn't look or feel like a hammer anymore.

Any and all tips for installation and use of Cnews from Sun3/Sun4 network
admins will be most welcome.

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Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin.misc
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: newgroup
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:38:47 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Dec14.174342.679@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
>I have what I would guess is the 'standard' newgroup
>script that comes with the C News software distribution.
>
>It has the unwelcome behavior of automatically adding
>new alt groups as they come along (even such fun groups as
>alt.hayco.sucks.mud) while doing nothing with new
>mainstream Usenet groups.

If legitimate new mainstream newgroup commands aren't being executed
properly, your system has a bug -- C News newgroup has never failed to
do this properly.

The newgroup command in the Performance Release, although somewhat
ill-documented, permits much greater local control over how newgroup
requests are handled.
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From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Handling JUNK
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:37:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccc.Bz7Kxs.Eo2
Distribution: na
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One


Does anyone have a well-behaved program for handling news articles that
end up in the junk newsgroups?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.admin.misc
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: newgroup
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:38:03 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <BzCoI6.JrD@liverpool.ac.uk> qq11@liverpool.ac.uk (Alan Thew) writes:
>: The newgroup command in the Performance Release, although somewhat
>: ill-documented, permits much greater local control over how newgroup
>: requests are handled.
>Could you post an example of a newgroupperm file which filters out alt.* .

alt	any	nv

will suffice.
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From: james@sol1.east-london.ac.uk (James Andrews, User Support)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: using uucp over X25 ( janet )
Date: 14 Dec 1992 05:50:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

For sometime I have been trying to get a newsfeed to work over the janet
network using colour book protocols.  But now it seems that the necessary
support for a news feed hasnt been compiled into the version of colour
book software that we have.

What I was wondering, having reached this dead end, is how do sites with x25
connections get news?  Maybe they dont....

Could I use uucp?  As I understand it, uucp will work over almost any serial
connection and I can get a x29 connection to the newsfeed site.
And now I can't use rn on nyx either, so please post any answers direct via
email.
Thanks,
james@sol1.uel.ac.uk
From: aras@intercon.no (Arne Asplem)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: What is the advantage of INN over CNews?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:35:20 +0100
Organization: Asplem Intercon, Oslo, Norway
Reply-To: Arne Asplem <aras@nac.no>
NNTP-Posting-Host: intercon.no
Keywords: inn cnews

In article <1ghab1INNcko@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> smrttadm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Jeffrey Smartt) writes:
>G'day,
>
>can someone please tell me the advantages of INN over Cnews?  Is the
>inews program in INN written in 'C' rather than 'sh'?
>

I've just started to use INN (as a replacement for Cnews) myself,
and my first impressions is that in general INN has a much cleaner
design. Cnews is a mix of shell-script and binaries located "all over
the file-system", where INN is a more typical client/server design,
with a deamon process running all the time. If you both want news over
UUCP and NNTP, I think INN has a major advantage over Cnews, since you
get support for both in one package. I also find INN easier to install
one SVR3 systems, if you require NNTP.

To sum up my own experiences:

  - support for both UUCP and NNTP in one package
  - improved logging
  - cleaner design
  - easy to install (more complicated config files though !)
  - more configuration options for complex installations
  - good (better ?) performance (haven't tested this !)

  -- Arne

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From: root@cbl.umd.edu (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Trouble getting INN to forward posts...
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:55:22 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu

Here's the situation: I set up INN on our news server machine and it's
running ok.  News is coming in and I can post.  I exported the news
spool to a workstation, and I can read news fine on the workstation,
as well as post.  Problem is, my posts never get propagated past the
news server.  Any ideas?
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams)
Subject: Re: inn - 'cant nonblock 16 Invalid argument'
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:58:32 GMT

In article <1gb1usINN5e2@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In <Bz3rA9.61r@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams) writes:
>
>>I am installing INN 1.2 on SunOS 4.1.3.  I am getting many of these
>>error messages in /var/log/news/news.err:
>
>>Dec 11 04:10:08 news innd: ME cant nonblock 16 Invalid argument
>[...]
>
>Sounds like you're using an NFS mounted partition.  Bzzzt.

No, /var/spool/news and /usr/local/news are on local disks.

I there anyone else out there running it on 4.1.3,  how about 4.1.3 on a
SPARCServer 10.

Chad Adams
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Re: Handling JUNK
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:19:39 GMT

In article <Bz9KJo.MGx@avalon.nwc.navy.mil> dejesus@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus) writes:
=In article <Bz7Kxs.Eo2@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:
=>
=>Does anyone have a well-behaved program for handling news articles that
=>end up in the junk newsgroups?
=>
=I basically have a script that goes into the "junk" directory and execute
=something like this:

Thanks to Francisco and everyone who emailed suggestions. I've decided
that the best way to handle junk is to expire it at 0 days.
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: What is the advantage of INN over CNews?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:54:34 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
Keywords: inn cnews

In <1992Dec15.175743.9862@dragon.acadiau.ca> peter@dragon.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele) writes:
[ My list of some INN benefits elided.]
>So, if we get our news via a single 56K baud line, we shouldn't
>consider INN?
If your are almost all NNTP, and don't do lots of outgoing UUCP you will
probably prefer INN.  My opinion.  I have never run C News, I have never
had a single 56Kb line, I have had lots of experience with the NNTP
reference implementation and protocol definition.

> Does our feader site also need INN running, or is
>it independent of what the feeder site uses.
Since it uses the standard NNTP protocol, it doesn't matter.  Just like
sendmail, MMDF, Zmailer, Smail3, etc., can all interoperate.

>On another note, INN *must* have more going for it than just what
>is described above.
Well, I'm a fairly modest guy, but the list I gave implied that it was
faster and easier to maintain (I bet 95%+ of the people who have installed
INN will agree with those claims).  In my mind, that's two of the three
reasons to switch.  (The third reason is features, and INN has a few
nice ones, but nothing earth-shattering.)

> I've got it planned as a summer project but it
>never hurts to plan ahead....
You're planning now for the summer?  Wow, I am impressed.  Nay, amazed.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: What is the advantage of INN over CNews?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:36:14 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1ghab1INNcko@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> smrttadm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Jeffrey Smartt) writes:
>can someone please tell me the advantages of INN over Cnews?  Is the
>inews program in INN written in 'C' rather than 'sh'?

The inews program in a modern C News (the Performance Release) is also
(mostly) written in C.
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