HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:19:54 GMT
From: dhclose@cco.caltech.edu (David H. Close)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Inter-NPA Local Dialing
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 908, Message 10 of 18

stevef@wrq.com (Steve Forrette) writes:

> I'm in the process of writing a modem dialer, and I have the following
> question: is there any place in the US where an inter-areacode local
> call must be dialed as a 10-digit call, and where 1 + ten digits won't
> work?

Yes.  DFW TX.  Local calls across the 214/817 boundary MUST be dialed
as 10d.  Attempts to use 1+ result in the message, "We're sorry but it
is not necessary to dial a 1 or 0 before this call."  I've always
thought the message was especially apropos; SW Bell's approach in this
matter is indeed "sorry"!


Dave Close, dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu, BS'66 Ec
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:15 +0100 (MET)
From: FRANKLIN%MATGEN@icnucevx.cnuce.cnr.it
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: How Does an American Call Canada From Italy?
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 907, Message 3 of 11

The standard ways for Americans to call the US from Italy, ATT's and
MCI's USA Direct and variants, do not go to Canada.  (I can use MCI to
call Germany from Italy at $2/minute, but not Canada from Italy.)  I
have to buy $7 phone cards, guessing in advance how many I need, and
then use a pay phone.  Then I may get an obnoxious voice-mail system
that needs to be commanded using touch-tones, but that's another
story.

Please email replies, and I'll post their info content.  Since I read
news over an unreliable link passing thru 20 computers between Italy
and RPI, I might not be able to catch all posted replies before they
expire.

BTW, some Italian phones in advanced PBXs do use touch-tones, but
they're rare.  Surprisingly, those tones are American-compatible.
Also, American-intended answering machines work on Italian phones.

Political comment: Italy is so primitive that they haven't invented
540-xxxx and other innocent-looking numbers yet to drain your
pocketbook.  Since I am unable to get a list of the American
booby-trap exchanges in the US from NYNEX, it's great that I don't
have to try to get a list here.

Thanks.


Wm. Randolph Franklin,  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute,  USA 
Send email (only) to: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu
 Visiting:  Dipartimento di Informatica e Scienze
          dell'Informazione, Universita` di Genova 

Regardless of where I email from, please email to: 
wrf@ecse.rpi.edu . Because of the way that this Vax formats
mail headers, you CANNOT use the 'reply' command to reply to
mail that I send from Genoa.
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:04:25
From: fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: International Internet Access
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 899, Message 2 of 11

I am interested in learning more about the problems involved in
establishing Internet access in developing nations throughout the
world.  I am hoping that individuals from various nations will
volunteer to help me answer some of these questions.  If you are
knowledgeable about the situation in your country, please post or send
me e-mail.

I am looking for two basic kinds of information.
 
1.  Names of organizations and individuals who are knowledgeable and
enthusiastic about providing Internet access for users in the
developing world.
 
a)  Is there an organization that has taken the lead in this role in 
your nation?   
b)  What is the current status of Internet access? 
c)  What are the activities in development? 
d)  What are the roadblocks? 
 
2.  Information about the typical computing environment in 
your nation.  
For example: 
 
a) People to computer ratio 
b) ratio of machines 286, 386, 486.. other 
c) pc vendor of choice 
d) software Dos? which version? 
e) modems? 
f) file server? 
g) Where do you get machines from 
h) how much do you pay? 
i) How long does it take to get an order? 
j) If the ratio of people to computers is low.. who gets to use them?  
k) do you have a fax machine? 
l) who supports your machine when it breaks? 

 
Fred Zimmerman     Fred.Zimmerman@um.cc.umich.edu
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:12:02 GMT
From: cbrown@rigel.uark.edu (Craig A. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: ACUTA Facilities/Services Index
Organization: University of Arkansas
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 912, Message 8 of 15

ACTUA has published a 1992-1993 Membership Facilities/Services Index.
Does anyone know of a machine readable version of this document?

Thanks,


Craig A. Brown   University of Arkansas
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:42 GMT
From: Richard Cox <mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Proposed Australian Number Changes, 1994-1998
Reply-To: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 906, Message 16 of 16

lmadison@ie.oracle.com (Linc Madison) wrote:

> I'm sorry, folks, but this is the most incredibly BRAIN-DEAD scheme I've
> ever heard of.

It seems to be a successful approach as used in Paris, Copenhagen and
Tokyo (and possibly a few others I might not know about !)  I know
NANP users are used to 3-3-4 format, with seven digit local dialling,
and NPA splits where some area codes can't cope.  Eight digits are no
worse: the less frequently the user needs to dial codes for his *local
routine* calls, the less chance there will be of misdialing into the
wrong zone!

> Also, you'll have to dial eight digits to make a local call in the
> tiniest, most remote town in the nation.

Quite so.  And if you are visiting that town, you will know *precisely* 
what to dial (unlike visitors to the majority of US towns and cities !)

>  There are only a handful of cities in the world that have eight-digit
>  numbers: Paris, Rome, Tokyo, Mataranka ...

But reports tell us that their users like them ...

>  Further, the alternatives are so OBVIOUS it's painful.  If Sydney or
>  Melbourne needs to split, you can divide them into 020/021 or 030/031.

If you do that you have to "blacklist" a significant proportion of the
number stock, particularly near the border between the two codes.
Individual heavily called numbers that are nowhere near the borders
have to be blacklisted too !  It wastes numbers and annoys customers.
(London "split" in 1990: we're still regretting it !)

Think of the future -- the trend nowadays is for tariffs to be less
dependant on distance. Users who move location would prefer to keep
their numbers: but that can only happen when the move is within a
single numbering area. So the bigger the area, the happier the
customers!  When you get local competition for dialtone, there will be
a need for all numbers to be "portable" between competing telcos
within the same area.  As different telcos will have their exchanges
sited in different areas, the only adequate solution will be total
portability within an NPA or LATA.


Richard D G Cox

Mandarin Technology, Cardiff Business Park, Llanishen, CARDIFF, Wales CF4 5WF
Voice: +44 222 747111      Fax: +44 222 711111      VoiceMail: +44 399 870101
E-mail: mandarin@cix.compulink.co.uk     Not diallable on 511 in mainland USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 9:53:53 EST
From: Carl Moore (VLD/VMB) <cmoore@BRL.MIL>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Inter-NPA Local Dialing
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 908, Message 13 of 18

I don't know what if any inter-NPA local calls must be dialed as
NPA+7D and NOT as 1+NPA+7D.  Some inter-NPA local calls are still
published as just seven digits, such as:

 From Maryland to out of state (except from DC area suburbs to DC and Va.)
 From Delaware to out of state (but local from Pa. to Del. is published
as 1 + 302 + 7D, the step that was taken before most of 215 got rid of
the leading 1 for long distance within it)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:17:15 EST
From: Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Santa Claus Conquers the Fax Machine
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 909, Message 12 of 12

David Leibold <DLEIBOLD@VM1.YorkU.CA> wrote:

> A Reuters report notes that a new fax line to Santa Claus was swamped
> with thousands of calls for gift wishes. The line was set up in North
> Pole, Alaska (formerly Moose Crossing), the self-declared home of
> Santa Claus for many years.

> The fax number is +1 907 488.4646 (that is, 488.HOHO).

Hrumph!  Everyone knows that the North Pole (and Santa Claus) are in
Canada.  Several years ago Canada Post assigned Santa his own postal
code, H0H 0H0.


Tony H.


[Moderator's Note: Well, the Magnetic North Pole, perhaps ... Debra
Hawkins, a spokeswoman for the Chicago Main Post Office has pointed
out that my mention of the great need for elves to help Santa Claus
with his correspondence should have included the phone number to call
if you wish to have mail sent to you for handling.  312-765-3009. 
According to Ms. Hawkins, the backlog of Santa Claus mail in Chicago
alone is currently 16,000 (as yet unclaimed by caring people) letters.
They've given away a lot of mail, but the backlog cntinues to grow.
The mail is sorted by size of family and number of children. They'll
send you as much as desired based on your promise to try and buy at
least some simple gift for each child mentioned and arrange its
delivery in an anonymous way from Santa Claus. The post office makes
no claims or representations about the people who have written, and
they ask that you not take more mail than you actually feel you can
deal with. The mail will be sent out to you immediatly; out of town
people wishing to participate can do so; your gift might arrive a day
or two late, but would still be welcome. You send the gifts direct to
the child(ren) who wrote the letters. A large percentage of the mail
has come from children of impoverished, single parent families living
in public housing here.   Again: 312-765-3009.   My sincere thanks.  PAT]
From: Dave.Leibold@f730.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Leibold)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: AT&T InfoQuest Center
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:02:48 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 906, Message 1 of 16

The current episode of {Media Television}, produced by City TV in
Toronto, had a segment on the AT&T InfoQUEST Center (in New York???).
This is a facility with a number of hi-tech exhibits which visitors
can operate, such as the ability to make up a personalised access
card. It's a communications-oriented science musem, like a higher tech
version of Toronto's Ontario Science Centre, or (on a smaller scale)
Fort Lauderdale's Discovery Center.

There are light guide tunnels, video displays, demonstrations of fibre
optic systems, make your own music video, microchip displays, voice
synthesiser (that wasn't pronouncing the phrase "beauty shops" very
well), etc are all part of this undertaking.

Unfortunately, there isn't much time to make a visit; the news item
finished off by stating "the InfoQUEST Center has no future - December
30, 1992 - CLOSED".


dleibold1@attmail.com    dleibold@vm1.yorku.ca
plus...  the Fidonet thingy...
Dave Leibold - via FidoNet node 1:250/98
INTERNET: Dave.Leibold@f730.n250.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:41:43 EST
From: Robert J. Reschly Jr. <reschly@BRL.MIL>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Other Bitnet Servers
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 908, Message 16 of 18

> I have certainly had no trouble for years addressing mail to
> user@system.bitnet. Perhaps you might want to check your local
> system's mailer and transport agent and find out why only you seem to
> have this difficulty.

      John,

   Be advised that .bitnet is a pseudo-domain from the Internet
perspective (as is .uucp, .decnet, and others).  However so much mail
comes in with return addresses of the form user@site.bitnet, etc.,
that many mail administrators configure their mail systems to
automatically rewrite these addresses when they are encountered.

   In the case of .bitnet, there are six "semi-official" gateways
between the Internet and BITNET.  This laboratory uses
cunyvm.cuny.edu, so addresses of the form user@site.bitnet get
rewritten as user%site.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu.


Later,

Bob 

IP: reschly@BRL.MIL   UUCP: ...!{{cmcl2,nlm-mcs,husc6}!adm,smoke}!reschly
U.S. Army Research Lab. / Advanced Computational & Information Sciences Dir. /
Networked Computer Systems Team / Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD  21005-5067 /
ATTN: AMSRL-CI-AC (Reschly) //   (410) 278-6808   FAX:-5075   DSN:298-

****  For a good time, call: (303) 499-7111.   Seriously!  ****


[Moderator's Note: For an even better time, call 900-410-TIME, or if
you are a deadbeat like me, dial the POTS translated version of the
above number: 202-653-1800 and save yourself 50 cents.    PAT]
From: dab@wiretap.spies.com (Dave Bonney)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Looking for VoiceSaver (
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:21:04 GMT
Reply-To: 422-4552@mcimail.com
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 911, Message 7 of 9

I'm looking for information and source of supply for a device that can
be used by PBX operators or message centers to pre-record a 5-10
second greeting.  The (repetitive) greeting can then played back
instead of the operator repeating the same phrase over and over and
over ...
 
A device that did this was (if my memory serves) the VoiceSaver (tm?)
by ComDev.  However they seem to have gone away.  :/)
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
 
	[ A Telecommunications Professional Now Unemployed In Westford MA ]
 dab	[	No Employer, No Disclaimer.    Just My Own Thoughts.	  ]
	[  Inquiries To MCIMail 422-4552    Internet <d.bonney@ieee.org>  ]
	[		    Telephone +1 (508) 692-4194 		  ]
From: stevef@wrq.com (Steve Forrette)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Inter-NPA Local Dialing
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:36:58 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 906, Message 3 of 16

I'm in the process of writing a modem dialer, and I have the following
question: is there any place in the US where an inter-areacode local
call must be dialed as a 10-digit call, and where 1 + ten digits won't
work?


Thanks, 

Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:14:49 -0600
From: TELECOM Moderator <telecom@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: MCI Mail Continues to Dump Incoming Mail
Organization: TELECOM Digest
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 901, Message 1 of 5

The problem I have mentioned here in the past continues unabated. MCI
Mail is still continuing to dump large amounts of mail from the
Internet if they have any problem at all with a single address on the
envelope.
   
I send dozens of copies of each issue of TELECOM Digest to subscribers
at MCI Mail. If so much as one address is incorrect (because the
person quits the service or changes addresses there without telling
me) then MCI Mail *refuses* to deliver any of the copies to anyone,
and dumps it all out.

Every other site I send to -- thousands of them -- can deal with
multiple addresses in the envelope, and an error in any one of the
addresses. But MCI Mail persists in doing things their way rather than
following the standards set up for email.

Each time I become aware of MCI Mail dumping an entire issue of the
Digest undelivered to their subscribers I have to make a separate
mailing list up just for them and remail that issue. This is happening
now about once or twice a week -- it used to be not more than once
every month or two.  I've had technical people from MCI Mail say they
were going to look into it ... but that is as far as it has gotten. If
this cannot be corrected soon, then my response will be to delete
mcimail from the telecom mailing list and suggest that those
subscribers find some other site to receive the Digest.

If this is happening to me this often, I wonder how often other
Digests or mailing lists with readers at MCI Mail are getting bouces?


Patrick Townson
TELECOM Moderator
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:43:37 UTC
From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Organization Warns Lawyers Against Using Cellular Phones
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 903, Message 8 of 15

paul@unhtel.unh.edu (Paul S. Sawyer) writes:

> [Moderator's Note: The only thing wrong with that story is the last
> paragraph: Cellular eavesdropping is quite easy to do and is does
> happen a lot.     PAT]

So instead of fostering encryptiton technology, which is the real
solution to cellular evesdropping, the federal government has allowed
itself to get lobbied into the orstrich technique with the ECPA. What
if the little boy who stuck his finger in the dike had been a
congressman? Why he'd have simply outlawed dike leaks, of course. Then
it would have been impossible for the dike to leak. After all, laws
never get broken, do they?

When even the lawyers don't believe in the ECPA, it can't be long
before it gets dumped on the (massive) scrap-heap of crappy laws.


Nick Sayer <mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us>  N6QQQ @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM    
37 19 49 N / 121 57 36 W            +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:11:47 GMT
From: craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: "The Net <tm>"?
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 908, Message 8 of 18

mc/G=Brad/S=Hicks/OU=0205925@mhs.attmail.com writes:

> There's an article in the October 15th {Electronic Mail and Micro
> Systems}, which just made its way to me, about a reorganization of
> Mediatel and Telecom Canada to market both of their products (and a
> few other bits of this and that) under a new company name: "The Net."

In Australia the names "The Internet" and "AARNET" are registered
trademarks I believe.  Over in our University Computing Services
office, they have copies of the official documents that show this.  If
this is true elsewhere, you may be able to get them on the grounds
that "The Net" is a commonly accepted abbreviated for "The Internet".
I doubt anyone would get away with a company called "Coke".  I'm no
lawyer, but it does depress me that they can do that.


Craig Richmond.  Computer Officer -  Dept of Economics (morning) 380 3860
  University of Western Australia    Dept of Education (afternoon)
craig@ecel.uwa.edu.au 


[Moderator's Note: We have a lot of coke dealers in Chicago, you know.
The crack house right across the street from where I live burned down
several months ago, and the landlord never has repaired or demolished
the remains, but the traffic through there is still plentiful. I
wonder how the Coca Cola Company feels about the way the word 'coke'
has been confiscated by the users/dealers of same ... not the
beverage, I mean the stuff you stick up your nose.  :(    PAT]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:44:31 GMT
From: ss@panix.com (Steve Steinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Offhook Chirp
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 903, Message 12 of 15

In <telecom12.897.7@eecs.nwu.edu> Lance_Neustaeter@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca
(Lance Neustaeter) writes:

> I've recently purchased a very cheap phone (the kind that sound
> like a cricket when they ring).  There's only one thing which annoys
> me about it: Whenever an extension goes off hook, this phone gives off
> a little chirp.  There are no switches or controls on the phone and
> there are three wires connected to the piezo (?) speaker.  How can I
> stop the annoying off hook chirp?

I got one of those _really_ cheap phones also.  I solved the problem
by throwing the phone off my 11 story balcony after the 1,000 time
someone said WHAT? to me over it.

Nuff said?


=== Steve Steinberg   ==  ss@panix.com  == {cmcl2,apple}!panix!ss ===
From: mc/G=Brad/S=Hicks/OU=0205925@mhs.attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: "The Net <tm>"?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:39:27 GMT
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X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 12, Issue 905, Message 4 of 5

There's an article in the October 15th {Electronic Mail and Micro
Systems}, which just made its way to me, about a reorganization of
Mediatel and Telecom Canada to market both of their products (and a
few other bits of this and that) under a new company name: "The Net."
 
No, I'm not making this up.  A Canadian company has just trademarked
"The Net" and its derivatives, such as The Net Mail, The Net EDI, The
Net EnvoyPost, The Net Database Gateway, and The Net Enhanced Fax.
 
This burns me up.  Anybody who's been in this industry as long as I
have, let along as long as they have, knows what The Net is; it's the
informal collective name for the Internet and all of the subnetworks
and national networks that are bridged into it.  As the saying goes,
if you can "telnet nic.mil.gov", then you're on The Net.  And now
they're taking over that name to be a proprietary trademark.  It looks
to me like a flagrant attempt to highjack the goodwill the Internet,
et al, have built up over the years and to fool the telecom-illiterati
into thinking that if they buy "The Net Mail" that they're connecting
to what we all think of as The Net.
 
I haven't been this steamed since the last time a megacorp highjacked
a common term, when IBM (in my mind, illegally) trademarked the
acronym for "personal computer."
 
Is there anything anybody can do about this?
 

mc!Brad_Hicks@mhs.attmail.com
 
 
[Moderator's Note: I think in the United States at least, there is an
organization called the Internet Trust which holds in trust certain
things to prevent their mis-use. I am not sure what all this entails,
but I think it may 'own' the copyrights for some of the network stuff.
Can anyone familiar with the Internet Trust elaborate on this?  Would
it possibly be a good idea for the Trust to copyright some of the
terms we use on a regular basis, or do they already?  The Internet
Society is another possible organization for use as a holder of those
copyrights needed to protect 'the net' from mis-use of the kind Brad
discusses.  PAT]