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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:28:48 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WHTMITKS
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Nancy,

Sorry about your bad luck. I hope you cancel those cards pronto. Every
time I start thinking about how backward these small towns are, something
like this comes along and reminds me it ain't all bad. Wanna move south?
There are some real <bargains> down here right now...

-abh
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: internet access from a public library
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a bit more on net access that may be of interest to bayla or others.

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same info<<<

There's any outfit called NetCom that offers full Internet access at
pricing more favorable than CERNet.

NetCom can be reached at 408/554-8649

Flat fee of $19/month for up to 9600bps dialup/non-dedicated port

They also offer dedicated dialup port, SLIP and fulltime leased line
services.


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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cut it out/ question
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Posted by Frank

>>                 b.c.    dobroe utro (and Frank, why do you British translit.
>>                           instead of LC?)
>
>I was unaware that what I use is considered British.  LC is horribly
>clunky and requires ligatures above the line.  What I used is a mod-
>ified version of the AATSEEL standard.  The difference is that I re-
>placed the letters that require diacritical marks with digraphs well
>known to English speakers, since on this list we are all, perforce,
>that.  Hence "ch" for the palatal voiceless affricate  instead of
>"c with a hacek," which would be lost on most readers due to the
>limitations of the fonts available on the mainframe.  Most American
>Slavists use this system (with diacritical marks, that is).  I have
>yet to see an article in, say, the Slavic and Eastern European Jour-
>nal that uses any other.  And, fortunately, I have seen the LC system
>used *only* in card catalogues.  And you should see what it looks
>like when they try to use LC transliteration in an online catalogue.
>Ugh.

  That's interesting , because in history, poli sci, etc., i.e. Slavic Review,
Russian Review, and just about any monograph I've read,
uses a modified LC, without the ligatures, to wit:
     Arkhiv russkoi revoliutsii
     Bor'ba za vozrozhdenie Rossii v severnoi oblasti
     Na sovetskoi sluzhbe
     Poezdka iz Peterburga v Sibir' v ianvare 1920 g.
And so on (those are just from the nearest book I had at hand).

Of course, this system is not as unambiguous as others, although even where
less ambiguous systems are used in history, "y"'s are used instead of "j"'s.

I have seen "j"'s used only in a few British publications. Actually, a quick
check of my bookshelf revealed that British monographs are even more
revisionist, dropping the hard and soft sign transcriptions ('), while
keeping the "y"'s.

        yours pedantically, b.c.
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From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Danger
Originator: rita@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:55:39 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92111021200838@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU> writes:
>Posted on 10 Nov 1992 at 11:06:56 by (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
>
>>                       A flamewar on emacs vs. vi or the pc vs. mac is
>>about all we need to finally cross the line ...
>
>Say - did I ever post the "Eric Thomas on vi" piece ?     [  :-) ]


	Don't do it, Tony!




-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | And he spun himself right down 
155 Second Street                | into the ground. Now wasn't that 
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | lucky?  --Deadsy 
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Peeking out from under the manhole cover

>G

>PS Note I deliberately held back on <manhole cover> just to please Blommie...

Oh, so you want style points just like Billy Bob Boy "I carried the letter
around for days and agonized--but I didn't send it" Clinton.  Hope The Blomm
sends you a thank-you note.

Sadly, I cannot recall a thing you have said recently that I disagree with.
Capisc?

-K

-Mka
From: TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild)
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Date: 7 Nov 92 02:27:35 GMT
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Now that I got everyone thinking about Nov 22/23, could Mama Judith
pleeeaaasseee tell us what happened on Nov 5?  Did someone memorable
join Words-L?  She didn't say what year.


Still curious....

Theresa
From: ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 22:51:21 GMT
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              Liz Clayton <lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu>
              5 Nov 1992 13:51:11 EST from <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:51:11 EST Judith E. Schrier said:
>Oh, do you remember
>The fifth of November?


Sure do.  My son was born a quarter century ago today!

dan
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:52:57 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: local big winners

On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:56:00 CST Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815) said:
>The big winner in state referenda appears to be term limitations.
>How many of those have passed?

All three of those in Ohio passed.
>
>Steve Karlson

Evelyn
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>>next six months over that one.  Especially if there's some
>>PlainVanilla VI users our there...
>
>	Now you just wait one cotton-picking minute you poor excuse
>for an editor ignoramus you.  *I* use plain old vanilla vi! (OK, so
>I'm using emacs at the moment cuz I'm in news, but I use vi for
>everything else).

Whoa!  I use ALL of them, too.  Watchya think I'm writing this
message in now?

Amazing how defensive people become about their editors....

Ken
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From:         blomberg cepeda <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Liminality and the Ga
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Inquired the Dread Nemomus

>Posted on 12 Nov 1992 at 23:19:36 by RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
>>the article is in plainer English (except for those chiefly stools).
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This continues to amuse me!  Am I the only one who does *not* think
>of something to sit on when they read this????

Well, actually, sitting is usually part of it...

   b."off to his morning constitutional"c.
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Words-L Weekly Digest
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Posted on 9 Nov 1992 at 12:38:55 by BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
>the award for Best Name in a New
>Poster, goes to blomberg cepeda.

Have we found out a) why blomberg? and b) if there are other siblings
what they might be named?

Karen
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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Subject: Re: Guess who I bumped into today
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:01:40 GMT
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> I was in a restaurant this evening, and in walked Arlen Specter and his wife.
> It's not a very fancy place, but not your average student eatery either.
> Hadn't realized it was frequented by the <powerful?>, we go there because
> the food's delicious and it's not too crowded.  My friend had voted for Yeakel
> yesterday, and booed softly.  Don't think they heard him - Specter even waved
> and said hi.  I doubt if I'd have recognized him if it wasn't the day after
> the election.
> rashmi

This must be Wordslers encounter celebrities week!  First Rita with
Dukakis, and now you, Rashmi.  These things go in threes...wonder who will
be the next to meet someone famous.
ndh
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Democrats and Me
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992, (Rashmi) wrote:

> Aw, quit griping, Anne.  Your man had his chance and blew it.  And I looked

Rashmi, sweetness, you haven't *seen* griping yet.

> Two things which make Clinton marginally more attractive than Bush:
> a.  He may bring some balance to the Supreme Court (I'm with Marty there).

I'm with Marty too.

You forgot to mention his hair, which was much more attractive than
Bush's. I always thought he was gonna name his coif as running mate. Maybe
then he would have swung the undecideds.

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:33:54 CST
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>My obvious oversight has been rectified.
>
>-abh

Which reminds of a strange usage of the word "rectify"
back in <sigh> St Xaviers.

"He can't come with us - says he has to attend the lecture."
"Oh, just tell him to go rectify the lecture."

tushar
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From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re: One simple (?!) question
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:42:04 GMT

In article <WORDS-L%92111120535532@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)" <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> writes:
>: neo-pagan business
>
>As opposed to worshipping Wotan, Thor, and the other gods dwelling in
>Valhalla?

Uh, is that spelling correct? I think you mean Thon and Wooten.

Jim (who worshiped Wockenfuss) Thomas
From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
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Date: 12 Nov 92 03:56:04 GMT
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>Frank might know this:  Olga, one of the women in my poetry class,
>is looking for a word processing program that will allow her to
>type in the Cyrillic (spelling?  Russian, anyhow) and print it out
>on an IBM PC clone.  Anyone?
>
>Rita

WP 5.1 for Slavophiles (me); Notabene for Westernizers.

-K

-Mka
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nov. 22, 1963
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              "tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Nov 6, 92 9:01 pm

Tushar:
> It taught me a scary fact about the list. Only after I read this thread
> did I realize how this list was overrun by the oldest people in the world.

I must confess that I too was surprised at the average age of the list, never
realized that it was populated by a bunch of folks who could remember where
they were in 1963, and worse, were adults at the time!!  :-)

This weekend, a friend who's 48 or so, was making a big deal of the fact that
for the first time, the president is *older* than her.  She found it rather
disconcerting, she said.  Any wordslers feeling the same way?

rashmi
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Professional Activities on Electronic Networks
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> Oh *goody*!  The project-h debate all over again :-)

Graham,
 Have you overdosed on sour pickles?  You're not supposed to drink the
juice, you know.
Doris
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Choosing the appropriate insult...
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Posted on 4 Nov 1992 at 17:42:03 by Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
>>In an article I was reading just now, the author used 'animus' in place
>>of 'animosity', presumably thinking it was a more literary synonym...

I didn't think these were synonyms...are they??

Karen
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From:         "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: God and Dowsing
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Posted on 9 Nov 1992 at 06:48:17 by Graham Toal

>:>If you can't make a resounding positive judgement on loony issues like
>:>dowsing, tarot reading, or God in High Heaven, then you're just as bad
>:>as they are.
>
>:You misunderstand my view - or indeed perhaps I haven't presented it
>:well.  Let me quote from the objectives of CSICOP: "[the committee] does
>:not reject claims on a priori grounds, antecedent to inquiry, but
>:rather examines tham objectively and carefully."  This is what I do - in
>:theory.  Obviously I haven't the resources to do it all myself, so I
>
>But Tony, you're taking this strict interpretation (I hesitate
>to say PC) of skepticism too far.  Don't you see, for example, a
>significant difference between a dowser who wanders over land with
>a twig, and a dowser who sits at home with a map and a pendulum?

>The frmer, though unproven despite many trials, *could* at a pinch
>have a rational explanation.  The latter is clearly in cloud cuckoo
>land.  Don't you have enough faith in your common-sense to dismiss the
>latter out of hand as pseudish paranormal bullshit?  To even give
>credence to its possibility shows you to be as weak minded as those
>who believe it unequivocally.

What *are* you getting at, Graham ?  Of course I have faith in my
own common sense.  And yes, I do reject both sorts of dowsing.
But the map and pendulum sort is no less likely to be "real" than
any of the other psychic phenomena that have been investigated for
years and years.  Twenty years ago when I first started looking at
psychic claims I did reject them all pretty quickly - they just seemed so
obviously ridiculous.  Now that I've seen a lot of evidence I still reject
them, but for good reason.  The amount of evidence I need to look at
is inversely related to the silliness of the claim.  What on earth is
weak minded about any of this ?

Since you seem to be in a mood to prod people on their beliefs - here's
one for you: what do you think (uh, believe) about Sheldrake's theory
of Formative Causation ?  This is a wacko sounding but testable and
refutable theory of non local reality.  Would you just reject it
because it sounds obviously out-to-lunch ?

Is it weak minded to do anything other than reject it ?

Tony H.
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From:         "(Rashmi)" <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: crib sheet
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              Nov 10, 92 3:45 am

> One student got an advantage by gluing the sheet into a Mobius band.
> I don't know whether this actually happened, by the way. Just quoting
> what someone said.
>
> tushar

I've heard the same story from two separate sources - smacks of UL to me.
One of the alt.folklore groups might know if it's one.

rashmi
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>Actually, Tony, the first time I had heard the expression, probably thirty
>years ago, it was in reference to Phillip Roth, who had just written Portnoy's
>Complaint. The objections (not to the pornography) but to the portrayal of
>Jewish family life, and most particularly the Jewish mother, were quite pained.

Leah, my guess is that this is a really common objection. I myself have heard
people using some term like "self-hating" for just about any kind of public
statement (fictional or not) against the author's own community. Maybe in a
highly typed society like India it's stronger.

Self-hating ... sounds like a nice new word for Portnoy's Complaint.

tushar
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From:         CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Re: Tushar on the Ga

Greetings,

And did Tushar mention that the Ga are descended from people who immigrated
down the Volta River and across the Niger during the 17th c.?  ANd that
each Ga town had a stool that served as the central object of Ga ritual
and war magic?  That Ga women are in charge of trading activities, that
men have no control over their wives' money, that succession to most
offices held by women and inheritance of women's property are by
matrilineal descent?

I looked it up.

Marty
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Fun for all

> (Eat up your greens son, there's thoosands o' starvin' weans in Africa
> waud be gled o' that!  - my Granny)

That's the Scots version of "starving kids in India" that I grew up
with, and the "starving Armenians" my folks grew up with.  I've
never been able to figure out how stuffing myself makes starving
Armenians less hungry.

Steve Karlson

Never cry with your mouth full.
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Posted on 5 Nov 1992 at 21:12:25 by Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)
>What is the Republican's name?  Maybe I've got some dirt on him.

Rick Hardy.

Karen
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      legislating behavior (was amendment 2 ...)

At the risk of stirring up the coals ...

My sparring partner and sometime drinking companion Jim Thomas posts:

> One problem with the Christian right is their duplicity and
> deviousness. Under the rubric of "love" and "reason," they develop
> a rhetoric that belies their bigotry and intolerance. They are
> well-organized, well-funded, well-rehearsed, and they have little
> appreciation for difference.

Reminds me of a comment William Buckley once made: many people who
profess respect for different points of view are surprised to learn
that there is one.  (If Bill S. is watching, he knows the exact
words.)

> People may believe what they like, but when those beliefs
> are so dogmatically, irrationally, and permanently entrenched,
> and when those views are translated into practices, policies, and
> attempts at legislation to regulate the lives of those who do not
> share their views, they are dangerous.

Would you include in the "dangerous" class restrictions on smoking,
use of intoxicants or narcotics, or automobiles?  Alternatively,
would you grant "protected" status to people who do any of these?
(for example or 2, is refusal to rent to a smoker a denial of civil
rights?  Is refusal to hire someone who does not own a car a denial of
civil rights?)

The institution we call society is constantly legislating and
regulating the lives of its members.  Sometimes that means explicit
use of a sub-institution called government.  Sometimes that's
an implicit, less formal mechanism.

Legislating per se is not dangerous; the consequences of some kinds
of legislation may be.  If we can't debate the circumstances under
which legislating behavior is desirable, how do we "simply (defend)
the foundations of pluralism in a democratic society
in the face of those bigots who prefer a homogeneous world created in
their image."  Isn't all legislation creation in somebody's image?

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Happy Days Are Here Again?
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              2 Nov 1992 21:49:04 EST from <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Mon, 2 Nov 1992 21:49:04 EST blomberg cepeda said:
>No, no, I appreciate any mail or post flirt, but, dammit, keep your  fingers
>fingers to yourself!
>
>                      blomberg cepeda     st402747@brownvm

It HAD crossed my feeble old mind before, but now that I know that Mr.
Baseball Wordsler recommended you, I'll ask.....are you Orlando's brother?

dan in the land of snows
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Ruth vs. Graham vs. ????

>                                               Conservatives are to
>me scary closed-minded people.

>alec- A liberal in every way.
Ahem.  I prefer to think that you find closed-minded people frightening [as do
I] rather than the <bigoted> (close-minded?) most ill-liberal way that sentence
read...

JMW
(Hmmmmm - "ill-liberal"...a typo, but I like it!)

        "Be not the first by whom the new are tried,
         Nor yet the last to lay the old aside."

                                - Alexander Pope
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