HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Answer to Mr John
Organization: LC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:23:46 GMT

In article <BvBIJA.KFH.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <3896@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep26.000057.21093@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>>>
>>>  jle and friends will fabricate
>>>anything they possibly can if it involves damning Israel.  It has nothing to
>>>do with Kuwuat or Iraq.  If there was a terrible eathquake/storm that destroyed
>>>parts of the Arab world jle would come up with stories of a secret Israeli
>>>earthquake/hurricane machine.
>>
>>You may believe, in your own mind, that the Gulf War had nothing to do
>>with Israel; and you may certainly support Mr. Anwar and friends who
>>also try to reduce the severity of the crimes against Iraqis and
>>Palestinian people by justifying U.S. intervention and protection of
>>its interests, 
>
>Or you may continue to listen to the lies and fantasies of
>Anisa (I've mercifully dropped the Mr/Ms/Mrs) who hypocritically
>advocates the principles of self-preservation on her own people's 
>behalf but refuses to do for any others if she finds it politically
>inconvenient.

They are lies and fantasies because they hurt you deep where it
really hurts, and shows the shamefull acts and stands of 
many RICH GULF PIGS.

I have seen nothing that is "lies and fantasies of Anisa".  All of
her words are full of honesty and eagerness to help the helpless
abroad.

>Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.
>Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.
>Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.
>Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.  Racism and Bigotry.

Good, we know that you know how to duplicate using your editor, that's all.

>If you say it enough without reasons maybe you'd get someone to
>believe it.  If only it applied to something being discussed
>in this instance.  Ah, does this have something to do with 
>counting the Emir's wives?  

You know the number, why don't you say it instead of trying to hide
behind Anisa's lack of info to the exact outragious number.
The number is not the problem, the problem is:  He marries only
vergins, normally for a few days or less, then he divorces them, AND NO ONE
CAN MARRY THEM AFTER HIM. HOW SHAMEFULL; MAY HE BURN FEE NAR JAHANNAM
BE-ITHNIHI TA`ALA.

jle
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Very Weak Zionist Claims Over Palestine
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:30:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171402.15999@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:

>And yes, these Jews are (and they consider themselves) indeed Arabs.

Amazing!

>Also, there are many Jews who work for the PLO

Incredible!

>Yes they are Jews, but they are also Palestinians and are ARAB PALESTINIANS.

Unreal!

[...]

>Before you start discussing complicated and intricate issues such as the 
>Israeli/Palestinian conflict, you may want to learn the different groups of
>peoples in the Middle East just so you would know who is involved in the
>conflict and who is not.

Look who's talking!!!

>Khaled Shammout



-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: What really happened to the Canaanites
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:41:32 +0200
Keywords: Canaanites
Organization: University of Cape Town

I'm not trying to make any political points but just to correct some
misconceptions:


The Canaanites were not completely wiped out by the Israelites nor were
ancestors of the Arabs. The people referred to as Canaanites in the Bible
were not a single "tribe" but were a collection of several different people.
Most were invaders from the area now known as Turkey (these are the Hittites,
Hurrites, Perizzites, Jebusites and Girgashites and Hivites). Others were part
of the same West Semitic/Levantine civilaization as the Isrealites. 

The remnants of the Canaanites were assimilated into the Jewish people. By the 
end of the Babylonian empire the assimilation was complete.

Look for more details in an encyclopedia near you!
 
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* Final Frontier                                  but not as we know it."   *
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From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: WITHER SCHMIDLING...
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:15:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


   I am not much of an expert in abnormal psychology, so any sort
of theory I may concoct to explain Jack Schmidling would probably
be lame.  There are so many traits about him that I cannot get to
mesh with each other.  If any of you have some pet theory dealing
with the Jew hater in modern society, please E-mail me your ideas
about this, unless, of course, you feel that posting them here is
likely to be more useful.  Schmidling is a Holocaust revisionist,
which, in my eyes, makes him a contradiction.  It is this special
group of Jew hater, the revisionist, that puzzles me.  If any out
there have any thoughts on this, please send them.  I find this a
fascinating subject.  Thanks.
-- 
   "One can be a racist.  Or one can be a human being.  But one
may not be both."
                                 - Rabbi Abraham Joshua heschel
Organization: TECHNION - Israel Institute of Technology.
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 06:05:32 IST
From: Uri Zakai <RPR1ZAK@TECHNION.BITNET>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: ISRAEL DESTROYED IRAQ (Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net)
 <1992Sep23.222200.2402703@locus.com> <1992Sep24.153755.2159@cs.brown.edu>
 <1992Sep25.211510.2443708@locus.com>

for some reason jle claims that the iraqi forces ecountered the israeli forces
 during the 1973 war and were able to push the israeli forces from the
40km point (from damascus) back to the golan heights.
jle urges the reader to read and be dazzled by the glorious victory.

well mr. jle the iraqi did take a part in both the 1967 and 1973 war.
but in a much different way then u described.

in 1967 iraq sent a division to the jordanian front - it was itercepted by
israeli planes , strucked and never did quite make it to where the war was.

in the 1973 sent 2 divisions to the syrian front but kept them back - for
as long as things went ok for the syrian forces (nobody wants to share a
victory) when the syrian started to lose they called their "trusted brothers".

on oct 12 an advancing israreli force met an iraki armor-brigade at tel-shaar
when the first light of oct 13 has started to show - the iraqi brigade has
ceased to exist.

on oct 12 the israeli stoped advancing - damascus was in the artillery range
of the isralei guns.
syrian , iraqi , jordanian and maroocon forces tried to get the israelis to
go back and failed.
only the un resolution made the israelis move from the 40km point fromthe
syrian capitol.

the only iraqi achivement still is :  losing 80 tanks in one day.
the iraqi forces proved its affectiveness however after the war has ended
when the "good brothers" didnt call their forces back from syria (any idea
why ?) and were only called back after a severe political confrontation
between the two valiant "baat" parties in iraq and syria
this end the chapter of the great warrior of the east

the only thing i dont understand is : jle did u really think
that nobody is going to check that absurd statement ? or were u so fed
up with those stories that u started to belive them yourself ?

uri zakai
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Arab and Jews
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:09:44 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Oct4.173607.3799@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:

>     First of all, you know that there are many privileges tied with the
>military service in which only Jews serve, (in addition to the minorty group
>the Druze).  Therefore, the Arabs do not have the chance of getting many
>priviliges and services which require, as one of its conditions, the
>completion of military service.

My commander in the army was Abed El Heib -  an Arab !
Many of my friends in that same units wher Arabs from the
Arabian farm Arab El shiebly near Nazarath, Others came from Beit Jan,
Arabs can vo;lunteer to the Israeli Army !
Khaled J Shammout may apply to an Israeli citezenship , according to
the regular citizenship law, once he get the citizenship he may
volunteered to the Israeli army, If he will found qualified he may
become an Israeli soldier and enjoy the honnor of taking a part in one
of the most positive activities in the middle east!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: A day in the life of a secret service
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:29:21 GMT

In article <22485@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>Appeared in the Hebrew language Los Angeles paper "Hadshot L.A." (LA
>News), September 24, 1992.  Article supplied by the Israeli daily
>Hadashot.
>
>The choppy and confused nature of this news item is due, no doubt, to
>the Israeli censor's unceasing efforts to preserve state security...

The story is barely newsworthy and seems to have been written in a
style appropriate to it's intended audience.  The censors couldn't
care less about articles better suited to the Irrational Inquirer...

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: ESTONIAN elections: some comments
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:01:55 GMT

Tapani Hietaniemi (thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi) writes:
>The other winning party in elections was the Royalist party. It
>consist of political jokers, playwrights and artists, which consider
>themselves to be kind of court jesters in parliament. This odd
>grouping got 8 seats (of 101). They even have nominated their own
>king to ascend to the throne of Estonia, namely, Kirill the first.

Who is he?

What I've read in Swedish papers is that they have named the
Prince Carl Philip, son of the Swedish king Carl XVI Gustav.

(C-P is not a heir of the Swedish throne; that is his older
sister Victoria.)

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
From: SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Workers
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:53:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


       WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNITY.

" TIME IS NOT ABSOLUTE "
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Meri elected ESTONIAN president
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:33:25 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

The Estonian parliament (Riigikogu) elected yesterday the
president of Estonia:


Lennart Meri          59  votes
Arnold Ru"u"tel       31  votes

The chairman of the riigikogu is U"lo Nugis, vice-chairmen
Tunne Kelam and Edgar Savisaar.



the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
From: vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Confusing the issue
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:34:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.111654.15627@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
responds to Jarmo Ryyti's nonsence:
> Please leave out irrelevant comparisons. Had there been a large
> group of residents on Iceland who would have been excluded from
> citizenship because of these rules, you can bet there would have
> been protests.
> ...

I think Erland is absolutely correct: comparisons between Estonian
naturalization laws and those of USA or Iceland or most other civilized
countries are utterly irrelevant.  All these comparisons show is that
there is nothing unusual with the way the Republic of Estonia treats
the immigrants into *RoE* who want to naturalize, ie. become citizens.
But the inhuman idiocy of the Estonian law has nothing to do with
the way it applies to immigrants into the *RoE*, and everything with the way it
applies to people who immigrated the *ESSR* or even were born there
while the *RoE* was in limbo.  It is one thing to jettison the ESSR's
government institutions and build new ones based upon the pre-WWII RoE
model.  It is quite another to deny that anything that happened between
1940 and 1990 under auspices of the ESSR has any legal validity in
today's Estonia.  Legitimate or not, ESSR was the only Estonia in
actual existence for half a century, and to deny some of its citizens 
equal rights in the new RoE is simply uncivilized.

---
Vadim S. Kaplunovsky               | vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (internet)
Assistant Professor of Physics,    | VADIM AT UTAPHY (bitnet)
University of Texas at Austin.     | UTSPAN::UTAPHY::VADIM (SPAN/HEPnet Decnet)
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Enigmatic double citizenship in ESTONIA
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 10:42:17 GMT

Tapani Hietaniemi (thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi) writes:
>Unfortunately, the case in not a theoretical one. Nobody knows
>for sure how many Estonian citizens there are all around the world.
>(The number might be near 100.000, but your guess is as good as mine.)
>In principle, they could outnumber the Estonians living in Estonia
>after some generations.

Wait a minute. I might have been sleeping, but I gathered from the
previous discussion that although citizens of Estonia 1940 and
their descenders are entitled to citizenship, they still have to
register for it. Thus, to get citizenship requires some activity
on your behalf.

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...

Xref: sparky talk.politics.soviet:8257 soc.culture.soviet:8164
From: tkantrowitz@carat.arizona.edu (change that...kill the writer.)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Wiring $ to Mosw VS. ATM Machines
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Mosaic Group
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1


I would like toknow the eaest/fastest/most effiient way to get money to 
someone in Moscow. Are there ATM machines there, yet? Is wiring money 
through a bank service the only way? Whichbank is best?  Any comments and
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Please mail any comments to    tiby@spring.tucson.az.us

Thanks.
*********************************
Tiby Kantrowitz		    tiby@spring.tucson.az.us
East West Broadcast News 
(602) 624-3090
Tucson, Arizona
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: FREE-ENERGY Technologies
Date: 28 Sep 1992 03:51:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <01GPAEYMSPTC0014UW@cnsvax.uwec.edu> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

>          electric generator.  The device seems to be tapping energy
>          from that of the Earth's rotation, via the "Coriolis effect",
>          LIKE A TORNADO.

You should consider the neviromental effect of such generator, before 
implementing this. The store of rotational energy in Earth rotation
is not unlimited, so widespread use of such generators will slow the
rotation rate and will make day longer, limiting it to infinity. You
may easily imagine consecuenses of such a slowdown: half of our planet
in eternal darkness. You may read about this in popular books by Russian
scientists Perel'man.

Yury.				PhD in Physics, UCB
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: New York Times article
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:10:06 GMT


	The New York Times. April 22, 1990. Section E, page 26.

	paragraph 3:

	"Accidents of World War I brought on the Armenian catastrophe.
In 1915, Russia turned back an Ottoman invasion of Transcaucasia and
czarist troops soon entered northeastern Turkey. Long-established Armenian 
communities were located on both sides of the eastern front. Fearing that 
Christian Armenians would rise in aid of Russia, Ottoman leaders ordered their
mass deportation.

	Even granting a military justification, the order was carried out
ruthlessly. This is borne out by press reports, diplomatic dispatches and
accounts of historians, including Arnold Toynbee, who invoked the word 
"genocide". It is graphically documented in eyewitness descriptions by
Leslie Davis, the U.S. Consul in Harput, who visited devastated villages.

	To Mr. Davis, whose forgotten reports are reprinted in full in a 
recent book, "The Slaughterhouse Province", there was no doubt what was 
happenning: it wasn't expulsion, but "wholesale massacre".
From: KELLEHER%MTVIEW@cimshop.UUCP
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Looking for map of Perm
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

For some time I've been corresponding with a family in Perm, Russia.
Although it is a fairly large city, I've been unable to locate a map of the
city, or even a detailed map of the area so I can track down places like
the Kungur Ice Cave, etc., which they visited this summer.

(I do understand that until recently it was on the <Forbidden City> list to
westerners, but that has now changed.)
Does anybody know of a source for such a map?

Thanks.
John
johnk@consilium.com
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Furstenberg and other things (Was: Human
Date: 6 Oct 1992 06:10:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:

>In article <1ajtc2INNsvg@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au
>(INFIDEL) writes:>
>> Finally, perhaps our Finnish observers would like to explain why the
>> Furstenberg school, the Arajs Kommando and the other SD divisions had no
>> shortage of fighters for their cause in occupied Latvia and Estonia.
>> John Wojdylo
> Perth, Western Australia

>Why are WE supposed to explain that? 
>What is the thing that NEEDS to be explained?


Why on earth should any supporters of the Estonian citizenship laws 
learn about Estonian's dubious recent history on matters of ethnic
relations ?



>Tapani Hietaniemi

JW


Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: News from "democratic" Estonia
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:16:51 GMT

Sergei Viznyuk (viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu) writes:
)  Today the expected president of Estonia
)Lennart Meri gave interview to Russian TV
)where he declared (in Russian) that his
)primary goal is "to save the Estonian nation
)from extinction", and that non-Estonians
)could go away from Estonia "to territories
)between St.Peterburg and Moscow".
)  This interview one could probably see today 09/25
)on C-SPAN-2 in between 6pm-10pm.
)
)  Well, so far for the claims of esteemed Erland
)Sommarskog that nobody is expelling non-Estonians.

So because he said this, this proves that non-Estonians
are being expelled today?

Not that I agree with the statement. Then again, I wouldn't
hardly take it as a fact that he said it just because Viznuyk
claims so.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: nemnogo o Stepane (bylo: "Enigmatic
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:03:29 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1aev1eINN68v@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, ilevi@nocharge.East.Sun.COM (Irina Levi - Sun East Coast IR Development) writes:
> In article 1@cc.helsinki.fi, thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi () writes:
> In article <9209302353.AA19563@feds66.Prime.COM>, dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM 
>> ("", Dmitri Leschiner) writes:
>>> From: thietaniemi@CC.HELSINKI.FI 
                                    
>>> A Finnish mini-lesson: "Tapani" is a name with Christian origin:
>>> Stefanus -> Stephen -> Steven (-> Istvan) -> Staffan -> Tapani 

  
>> There was a number of memorable Stephans in Russian history;
>> one of the most honoured was Stephan Permskij of XVI century,
>> the baptiser and enlightener of Permians (Komi), relatives of
>> Finns (not so closed as Estonians though). He created the
>> original Permian alphabet and translated Gospels and worship books
>> into Permian. Unfortunately, his work was abandoned by Permians
>> in less than 100 years, and they switched to using Slavic language
>> in church services. As of now, only few fragments of texts written
>> in original Stephan's alphabet, in XVI and XVII centuries, have
>> been preserved till modern times. Books edition in Permian resumed
>> only in XIX century, when Gospels and other books were printed, using
>> Cyrillic graphics now. 
 
>      What about Stepan Razin?
>       Ever heard of him?

Of course, they even learn us to sing about Stenka (Stepan) 
Timofejevitsh Razin in the Finnish schools! A week ago I visited 
St. Urhos Pub (It IS named after Urho Kekkonen) in Helsinki - 
I caught the guys there singing:

Volga, Volga, a"iti armas,
meri meida"n synnyinmaan -
uhris na"a"tko", tyytyva"inen
Donin ootko kasakkaan....

Even an Indoeuropean native speaker recognizes the Russian refrain of
Stenka Razin:

Volga, Volga, mat' rodnaja,
Volga - russkaja reka...

But I can't recall the words any more. Instead, I do remember that there were
a different version going around in Helsinki some years ago:

Vodka, vodka, mat' rodnaja,
vodka - russkij napitok...


or something like that

Tapani
From: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU (Stephen Grossman)
Subject: _Communist Ideology_
Reply-To: pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:46:31 GMT

    I would appreciate help in getting a copy of _Communist Ideology_ by Richard
Wraga (Research Institute on the Sino-Soviet Bloc, 1961 (in preparation). Please
communicate with me directly.
From: DMITRIIZ@templevm.bitnet (Dmitrii Zelmanovich)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Parlamentary elections in the Republic of Georgia
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:59:36 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Kak vam ne studno poproshainichat.