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From: rub@aero.org (Jerzy W. Rub)
Subject: Re: Continental vs. United to Australia?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, Los Angeles, California
	<KMEYER.92Aug11131946@solarium.aero.org>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:56:03 GMT

On two separate occasions I have flown United first class between Sydney and
LAX and coach class between LAX and Auckland.  Both were long flights and
that is what remember most about them; i.e., first class was very nice,
seats were comfortable, there was a ton of leg room, food was great,
United's concierge was attentive, but the flight was still too long.

In his message Kraig brings out a good point about considering an airline's
well-being.  I recently read an article where some financial analyst(s)
expect one of three, Continental, TWA, or Northwest (or was it USAir), to go
away by the year's end.  If you are not going to Australiza until 1993, I
would use up Continental awards on domestic travel as soon as practical (if
you have such trips to take or if you can give these awards away) and fly
coach on United to Oz.  I did not have great difficulties obtaining
reservations about two months before traveling (but I did not travel over
Christmas/New Year's holidays).
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Cheapest published fare
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:37:57 GMT

In article <2A90453D.19959@ics.uci.edu> davida@ics.uci.edu
(David A. Andersen) writes:

>If you divide the price over the number of miles flown, I can beat it
>(probably twice):

>(b) Western Airlines (ok, so this one _is_ a promo) had a deal where if
>    you flew a round trip segment of at least 350 (?) miles, then you
>    could buy a round trip ticket to Hawaii for $100.  So they drove
>    to San Diego (we live buy Disneyland....1/3 way from LA to SD)
>    flew to San Francisco ($39 each way = $72) and then went to Hawaii.
>
>       $172 / (2552 + 370)

Well, if you're allowing promo airfares, I recall one of the Shuttles
between New York and Boston charging something like 59 CENTS one day.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: United flies around the world
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:07:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug13.125345.2099@merrimack.edu> gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:
>I would like to announce that United Airlines now sell plane tickets
>for flights around the world.  The last time such a service was offered
>by Pan AM many years ago.   You stop in Delhi, India and many other places
>.   The price I do not know, but it is on the front business page
>of today's USA today

United's round the world service begins Feb. 10, 1993. The flights are
UA 1 and UA 2. They are daily flights. One travels eastwards and the
other westwards. I forget which one goes in which direction. The round
the world list fare in Y class is ~$2200. With the innauguration of
these flights United will add Delhi to its international destinations.

Pan Am had similar flights PA 1 and PA 2, which were discontinued
sometime around 1982.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
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From: bogart@sabre.larc.nasa.gov (Ed Bogart)
Subject: a good word about DELTA
Reply-To: bogart@sabre.larc.nasa.gov (Ed Bogart)
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:24:40 GMT

Since everyone post their bad experiences with airlines, I
thought I would post something good about Delta.

My wife and I just returned from a trip to Germany.  We flew
Delta from Norfolk, VA to Frankfort via Atlanta.  Our Norfolk to
Atlanta flight was held for four hours due to thunder storms in
Atlanta, just long enough to miss the Atlant to Frankfort flight.

The Delta ticket agents were very nice, even though they had 
been dealing with thousands of stranded international travelers.
They booked us for the same flight the next day and gave us a
voucher for a night at the Embassy Suites and $80 in meals.  

There are several morals to be learned from this;
1.	Keep your travel plans flexible so that a delay can be an 
	unexpected adventure, not a disaster.
2.	Take enough in your caryon for and un planned overnight.
3.	If you can, _fly Delta!!_

Ed - when you die, no matter if you go to heaven or hell, you
vae to change in Atlanta - Bogart


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From: macucci@ceg.uiuc.edu (Massimo Macucci)
Subject: Re: Things to make flying more comfortable
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:10:32 GMT

094370@adpdp2.lanl.gov (Dan Comstock) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.041938.13389@ads.com>, charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen 
>Bunjiovianna) writes...
>> 
>>Actually, I thought the airline did a good job but was less than thrilled
>>with my fellow passengers.  I only got to sit with my travelling companion
>>on one of four flights, in part because someone else was sitting in our
>>assigned seats and refused to move ("they screwed up our seating assignments,
>>we got here first, now go away" seems to be the attitude).  On another flight,
>>someone stole my blanket and pillow when I went up front to check with the
>>flight attendants.  Geez.
>> 


>Welcome to the Summer of '92, Charleen!

>I just finished 2 weeks of shuttling around the country via TWA, and I used up
>my supply of little gold star stickers that I keep with me to give to flight
>attendants who have to put up with rude, stupid passengers.

>Things were even getting rough up in first class on a couple of flights I was 
>on with people trying to self-upgrade.  Sorry all you first-timers out there,
>but "The lady at the gate said I was in the second row" doesn't hack it.

>I have a very specific way of handling seat assignment problems.  If someone
>says "my wife and I would like to sit together" or if I notice a couple getting
>on and having to sit separately, I'll offer to swap so they can.  If they just
>take my seat I go grab a f/a and get them tossed out, and I make sure I say
>loudly that if they'd *asked* I would have gladly switched.

>Anyway... all my f/a friends are telling me that they spend time daily praying
>for the time to go quickly until all those half-fare tickets expire.


I have read many postings where people write about incredibly crowded
planes this summer, and any sort of confusion like duplicated boarding
passes, etc.
In the last month I have been on more than ten United flights in different
parts of the country, and I didn't notice anything unusual or have any 
particular trouble. Was I lucky or all this is happening only on some airlines 
or on some specific routes ?  I would really like to know the opinion of
the net.  
                                                  Massimo Macucci
						  macucci@gate.spg.uiuc.edu
						  macucci@pimic.iet.unipi.it

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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Seat assignment disputes
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:25:42 GMT

In article <920818.1071050134@garcia-marquez.postmodern.com>
mcb@garcia-marquez.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) writes:

>My assumption is that the boarding pass was duplicated; otherwise
>there would not have been much of an argument possible.  Such things
>are pretty common, though perhaps not as common as in the old days
>when boarding passes were handwritten, often just a scrawl across your
>flight coupon in that magic green pen.  

The way I read the original article, I understood that the person is
the complainant's seat had had a duplicate boarding pass for some
_other_ seat, and had then moved there.  This shouldn't give him
"squatter's rights".

>But in the case of a duplicate assignment, I have noticed that it is
>essentially an absolute rule that the first party to occupy the seat(s)
>in question -- with a valid ticket/pass/whatever -- get to keep them.
>This seems to be true of airplanes, theatres, sporting events, and
>anything else that has assigned seats.

It's not always the case that the first person there keeps the seat;
I've been asked (?) to leave a plane when someone else had a boarding
pass for the same seat.  The airline claimed that my (pre-issued)
boarding pass was invalid for some reason; when I started talking
about "Denied Boarding Compensation" and asking (with force of law) to
see their regulations on denied boarding, they managed to find me
another seat.

It was several years ago, and I don't remember which airline.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: nalin@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Nalin Whatyamacallit)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cheapest published fare
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:48:30 GMT
Reply-To: nalin@mercury.uregina.ca (Nalin Whatyamacallit)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan

In article <1285@netxcom.netx.com> jwc@netx.com (Jeff Comer) writes:
[...]
>wonder about what the *CHEAPEST* published fare ever was.

When I was in Athens in October '91, I asked a travel agent for the
cheapest *international* air fare anywhere :-) as I wanted to take it.
I paid $25 U.S. for the flight from Trivandrum (India) to Colombo (Sri
Lanka)  I had to pay another $2 (about $1.70 really) before I took
the flight as the fare had gone up in November.  This is the new published
fare in ABC. (Marlene was using an older ABC) This was not a promo fare.
It was on Indian Airlines (Avoid! them!).  I believe Air Lanka has the
same fare (much better service and they don't steal from your backpack.)

PS: The travel agent was:
    Marlene or George,
    Highway Travel,
    on Nikis Street,  (just off the Plaka in)
    Athens.
I found them to be much better than any agents recommended by Let's Go

>
>To make it relevant, I'll post the following criteria: The fare had to
>be a published fare on a regularly-scheduled commercial airliner, made
>available to anyone. No special promos, two-fer-one deals, or anything
>like that. Also, only fares published since deregulation (say, since
>1978) are applicable.
>
-------------------
nalin@cs.uregina.ca   In less developed countries don't drink the water.
                      In developed countries don't breathe the air.
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Cheapest published fare
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:33:02 GMT


>The cheapest I seem to remember is a $29 fare on People Express, good for
>travel from one on their many northeast points (BOS, BUF, BWI, PHL, etc)
>into Newark. But they may have had $19 fares at one time.....




If you divide the price over the number of miles flown, I can beat it
(probably twice):

(a) my parents flew LAX - HNL for $69.99 on World Airways.
    (an ad printed in the LA Times, and you had to go to the airport
     *personally* to purchase the tix.  Mom said the line went
     around the block and down the street....I'll have to ask if
     that was RT or OW)

      $70 / 2552 or $70 / 5104


(b) Western Airlines (ok, so this one _is_ a promo) had a deal where if
    you flew a round trip segment of at least 350 (?) miles, then you
    could buy a round trip ticket to Hawaii for $100.  So they drove
    to San Diego (we live buy Disneyland....1/3 way from LA to SD)
    flew to San Francisco ($39 each way = $72) and then went to Hawaii.

       $172 / (2552 + 370)



hehehehehehe

this is what you had to do before frequent flier mileage...... :-)


David
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From: ae02022                         
Subject: Re: Want to change departure date w/o spending $$$.... any suggestions?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:30:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.235430.1227@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, obrien@acf3.nyu.edu (Chief O'Brien) writes...
>I have a airline ticket (TWA) departing NYC/JFK on Sept. 5th to Atlanta at 4:35
>pm, returning on Sept. 9th.  I want to move my departure date to the 4th.  I 
>called TWA and they told me since I got my ticket during the summerfare wars,
>it would cost me $25 for changing the ticket and then an additional $85 for the
>difference in airfare.   My question is, Is there anyway to change my 
>departure date without spending that much money?
> 
>Thanks in Advance,
> 
>-Julia
>--
>Julia R. O'Brien	       \\       Email: obrien@ACF3.nyu.edu (Unix)
>New York University	        //             OBRIEN@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (VMS)
>Academic Computing Facility      \\     IRCnick: OBRIEN
>	        DON'T MESS WITH THE O(BRIEN), Inc., (c) 1992

Try to go to the airport on the 4th and if they have an empty seat they
might let you go. I did that twice on international flights. This
time I will have to try to postpone a scheduled flight, I wonder if that
will work.

Peter

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From: mitch@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Mitch Collinsworth)
Subject: Re: TRAVEL FROM CHARLES DE GAULLE TO ORLY AIRPORT (PARIS)
Organization: Program of Computer Graphics, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:12:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.031036.13194@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>T.D.Sadlier@massey.ac.nz (T.D. Sadlier) wrote: 
>->Can someone please tell me the best way of getting from Charles de
>->Gaulle Airport to Orly Airport (Paris) - We'll be flying in from
>->San Francisco and have about 2 hours in which to transfer from one
>->to the other.  Any help would be appreciated.

>hmm.  that's kinda close.  best bet: call either/both airlines (or your
>travel agent, if you used one) and explain what you need to do ... they
>can tell you about the best way to get from one airport to another (you
>may have to do the taxi thing
>... )

I have to agree with Henry on this.

Also the question of luggage which someone else raised is important.  I had
to get from Orly to one of the train stations with a heavy duffle bag, a
heavy ski bag (5 pairs) and a knapsack.  We took the OrlyVal and the Metro
(including a train change on the Metro).  OrlyVal was ok, but the Metro was
shear hell with luggage.  Fortunately there were 4 of us (all with comparable
luggage) and we devised a workable system of loading/unloading.  The bad part
is you have to hump the luggage long distances through corridors and up/down
stairways at each stop.  Also, the doors to get to the platform on the Metro
are extrememly narrow.  They aren't designed for people with luggage.  If
your luggage transfers separately you'll be fine (assuming the timing works
out).  If you have more than you can *comfortably* carry in one load,
definitely take the bus or a taxi.

-Mitch Collinsworth
 mitch@graphics.cornell.edu
From: mcb@garcia-marquez.postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Seat assignment disputes
Summary: (was: Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:23:03 GMT
Organization: Postmodern Consulting, San Francisco, California USA

In the referenced article, rvinluan@cs.cornell.edu (Rolando Vinluan) writes:
> 	Hmmm. Yes. Sorry about that. In hindsight, I still wouldn't call
> it "uncalled for," but maybe insensitive especially to those people like
> you who really get pissed off with these sorts of things.
> 
> 	For me, this just shows another cultural difference between
> (most, I think) Asians and Americans (Euorpoeans, too?). First, if the
> guy really didn't have a duplicate boarding pass, then you're right to call
> him butthead and make a scene. But, if he did...well, then somebody would
> have to give in, right? [...]

My assumption is that the boarding pass was duplicated; otherwise
there would not have been much of an argument possible.  Such things
are pretty common, though perhaps not as common as in the old days
when boarding passes were handwritten, often just a scrawl across your
flight coupon in that magic green pen.  

But in the case of a duplicate assignment, I have noticed that it is
essentially an absolute rule that the first party to occupy the seat(s)
in question -- with a valid ticket/pass/whatever -- get to keep them.
This seems to be true of airplanes, theatres, sporting events, and
anything else that has assigned seats.

--
Michael C. Berch  
mcb@postmodern.com
From: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Airticket for SALE ---> Newark, NJ to Austin/Houston, 25 or 31AUG
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:01:36 GMT
Reply-To: parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Parimal)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: parimal@dewey.cc.utexas.edu

I have two oneway  airtickets for sale from Newark, NJ to Austin, TX.

Tickets are on Continental Airlines for 25th & 31st of August, changeable at

$25. If you don't have luggage to check-in, these could be used for one

way travel to Houston also. Asking $75 each or best offer.

Call (512) 476-7134. E-mail : parimal@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 

			      parimal@alpha.iat.utexas.edu
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From: berry@athos.pei.com (Berry Kercheval)
Subject: Re: Info needed, Hotels near Heathrow
Reply-To: berry@pei.com
Organization: Protocol Engines, Inc., Mt. View, California
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:50:57 GMT

>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 20:00:17 GMT, alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon) said:
Alon> All the hotels within 10 miles of London Airport are in the 
Alon> 75 to 110 u.k. pound mark. 

I know that it says 'Heathrow' in the subject, so I'm not too upset,
but as a 'native' you ought to know that there are at least 4 'London'
airports: Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead and London City.  (At least
according to my 'Pooley's Flight Guide').

  --berry


--
Berry Kercheval :: berry@pei.com :: Protocol Engines, Inc.  Mt. View, CA
"And there's more where that came from!"
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From: ac44@sol.acs.unt.edu (Laosirirat Phanit)
Subject: Fares on Eaasy Sabre
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:20:59 GMT

I have tried to check international fares on Eaasy Sabre on Compuserve
during the weekend.  This is because I want to take the advantage
of Northwest special fares to Asian countries.  The fares displayed
on Eaasy Sabre do not reflect the sale prices that Northwest is offering
. They are much higher.  For example, the cheapest fare to Bangkok on
Eaasy sabre is $1383 on Northwest, but it is actually around $800 
from my travel agent.
   I have been using Eaasy Sabre all the time for my domestic flights.
It is great, convenient, and fast.  I can preselect seat on my AA 
flights.  Does anyone know an answer to this difference in fares?

Phanit. 
Organization: Office of Planning & Budget, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:10:51 -0400 
From: Karin Berger <kb42+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pitt-Dallas-San Franciso 

Sell ticket from Pittsburgh to San Francisco (via Dallas) for the 24.
Aug on American Airlines.

Leaves Pittssburgh at 8.30 am and  Dallas at 10.55 am.

The date can be changed for $25.

I am asking for $50.

This is a one way ticket, but I know someone who sells a ticket from San
Franciso back to Pittsburgh.

E-mail or call 521-5580

Karin
From: sheri@cs.utexas.edu (Sheri Brice)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: car rental
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:42:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: truffles.cs.utexas.edu

Hi.  I am not sure if this is the right place to post this question.
Please let me know.  Anyway, I will be flying into Seattle in the
middle of September and will need to rent a car for 16 days.  So far,
by calling 800 numbers, the cheapest cost for a subcompact is about
$390.00 for 16 days.  Can anyone suggest any car rental places that
I could call that may be cheaper?

Thanks in advance for any info.

sheri
  
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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: NorthWest/NorthWorst Airlines (Was Re: Cheap airfares to Asia)
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:54:15 GMT

In article <jog.714169466@kpc.com> jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog) writes:
>
>By the way, does *any* airline feed you (in coach) on the red-eyes
>leaving SFO/SJC for the east coast?  American doesn't: it's pretzels
>and drinks.

NorthWurst doesn't, either.

Charleen

--
Hotels are tired of getting ripped off. I checked into a hotel and they
had towels from my house.         -- Mark Guido
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From: glockner-gregory@CS.YALE.EDU (Gregory Glockner)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:12:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.155827.3109@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>Actually, I had forgotten (until I cleaned out some stuff this morning)
>that Northwest was the airline that fired three pilots in 1990 for
>drinking and flying ...
>   (stuff deleted)
>Which makes me suspect that
>Northwest frowns on their people talking about this sort of thing, and
>makes me wonder how often it goes unremarked...

FYI: Things have changed in this respect at Northwest.  When I interned
last summmer at NWA's management, I was subjected to a drug test.  I
was also fingerprinted.  (I'm told that they no longer fingerprint).
Pilots were given alcohol tests as well as drug tests.
-- 
Gregory Glockner				Work: 202-267-3924
 Past:     Yale, '92				Home: 202-333-2454
 Present:  FAA, AOR-200		    	   On second thought, let's not go to
 Future:   ISyE, Georgia Tech (PhD 97)	   Camelot ... it's a silly place!
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From: gerhard@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Gerhard Fohler)
Subject: Re: Delta Standby Travel Voucher
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:44:44 GMT

skr@fokus.gmd.de (S. Krause) writes:

>I am thinking about buying a 30 day Delta standby travel voucher.
>In Germany, they are currently sold for DM 799.- (~ US$ 540) which
>I think is incredibly cheap. (You can also buy a 60 day voucher for
>1399.-)
>Has anybody used these vouchers and can share his/her experiences.
>Especially I would like to know about the chances to get a seat
>and recommended days to fly/not to fly and notouriously overbooked
>routes.

I have done a trip with such a ticket in summer 1990. I definitely enjoyed it.

Having the opportunity to fly (almost) whenever I wanted to (almost)
whereever I wanted was really great. When I was in Albany, NY there was a
light rain one day. So I thought I could go to some warmer place. Next
day I was swimming in the Atlantic at Miami Beach.

I encountered troubles only once with getting on a flight, but arived at my
desired destination Seattle the same day, only 6 hours late. Two
friends of mine took a stand by trip and had very little problems with
getting seats, too. I guess if you avoid Friday afternoons (when I got
stuck), Sunday afternoons, and perhaps Monday mornings it should be
fairly easy to get where you want. I found the Delta tollfree number
quite useful: Calling a day in advance and asking about how full
desired flights are, you can get a good idea about what flight/routes
are promising.

One problem (at least for my budget) was costs for staying at hotels (on a trip
like this I was not in for spending too much time for searching) and
another getting around in places. I can imagine that at some places
renting a car and driving to one of the cheap Motel/Hotel chains can
save both money and time (they usually have nationwide directories).
Being a party of two usually cuts down prices for cars and hotel rooms by
half.

If you have any further question, let me know, I'll be glad to help.


Gerhard

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