From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Gays, the military and "privacy"
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:40:46 GMT

In article <44026@zygot.ati.com> john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) writes:
    >>You are so right -- it must be SO humilating for all those
    >>women in the Armed Force to not be able to shower, shit, and
    >>sleep (in the same bunk room) with the men. It must be
    >>agonizing for them.
    >>
    >You know, the odds are that you (everyone reading this) have
    >shared a public restroom with a gay person. Did you survive
    >the experience? Perhaps we can hear some war stories about
    >the ordeal. Can I expect to see a sign bearing the words,
    >"Straight Men" on the door of the Fry's men's room in the
    >forseeable future?
    >
    >I can guarantee you shared a high school locker room with gay
    >people. Did you survive? Did it "turn you gay"? Did it
    >corrupt your morals? Did you even know who they were? How did
    >you know?
    >
    >Men and women are built differently. They look different,
    >even with clothes on. I had always assumed that this was the
    >rationalization for separate toilet and dressing facilities,
    >not some worry about mental processes concerning attraction
    >or lust. Nor had it occurred to me that the reason for
    >separate facilities was to keep men and women from
    >uncontrollably screwing each other.
    >
    >Do men feel uncomfortable if they have to shower, shit, and
    >sleep (in the same bunk room) with women? Maybe. Who cares? A
    >gay man is not a woman. He is as much a man as any other,

Why, you are so right. After all, if it's natural, then we surely can't
object to it, can we?

Sex is natural. Right? You surely agree?

Wow -- look at my office mates huge color poster of a woman and a man having
sex. In full view of everyone -- why heck, it's only natural, can't hurt
you -- why are those women complaining?

And hey, look that poster of a pile of shit? Naseauting? Naw, it can't be.
We all shit, we've all seen it, can't hurt you, it's only a poster. Why
are you running down the hall to throw up?



Sorry -- but you are full of it.

1. Women would complain immediately if restrooms in this country would
   be made into unisex rooms overnight.

2. Nobody, especially me, has said that "rape" is the key issue. Sexual
   context and sexual privacy is. I've heard of women that chose to go to
   a less convenient gym because the close one had a "reputation" of having
   "a lot of dykes" in it.

3. "Men and women are built differently. They look different,
    even with clothes on. I had always assumed that this was the
    rationalization for separate toilet and dressing facilities"

    WHAT? So then we have yet more distinct facilities for the
    severekly handicapped or the grossly obese or the anorexic or
    children or blacks or asians ....

    That was this years LAMEST statement!


We have SEPERATE facilities for men and women because both sexes prefer
to have control over their sexual contexts. Women don't want men in their locker
rooms, and mostly, men don't want women in theirs (football teams and women
reporters).




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