HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pat@fitz.uucp (Patrick Fitzgerald)
Subject: Broward County Sheriff (was Re: SWAT...)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:52:29 GMT

kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:

>If you think you have cowboys here, be lucky you aren't in Florida, where
>the Sherriff of Broward County, Nick Navarro, has carved himself a dukedom
>amidst the Everglades canebrakes.  He was even making his own rock cocaine
>for use in coke stings when said stings weren't bringing in enough rock to
>act as stingbait for successive bust cycles.

Sounds interesting, can you post more about this?

I seem to remember an incident in Florida, where police tactics backfired
(literally).  The police pulled over a car (driven by suspected drug
dealers), and decided to search the trunk of the car; however, the trunk
blew up in their faces when they opened it.  While this is tragic, it was
bound to happen since the courts let them stomp all over our rights (car
trunk searches are legal without probable cause).

I don't know if this is true, anyone else?
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:01 PDT
Subject: Somalia: some food on way at la
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Somalia: some food on way at la

/* Written 12:58 pm  Aug 16, 1992 by dmorse in cdp:soc.cult.afric */
/* ---------- "Somalia: some food on way at la" ---------- */
My hometown paper headlines:

PENTAGON TO AIRLIFT FOOD TO SOMALIA

U.S. fears 'mass death by starvation'

Compiled from News Services.

   WASHINGTON.  Moving to alleviate "mass death by starvation" in Somalia,
President Bush on Friday ordered the Pentagon to begin emergency airlifts of
food as soon as possible.
     However, a State Department official said the airlift will be able
to deliver *only a small portion of the food that is needed* [emphasis
added by dmorse].
     In addition, the United States intends to seek approval for a U.N.
Security Council resolution "that would authorize the use of additional
measures to ensure that humanitarian relief can be delivered," White House
spokesman Marlin Fitzwater said.
     Starvation brought on by drought and civil war in the East African
nation has taken the lives of hundreds of thousands of Somalians, and aid
workers say that the toll could increase by 1.5 million people within
weeks.  Somalia's population is estimated at between 4.5 million to 6
million.
     "Because armed bands are stealing and hoarding food, as well as attacking
international relief workers, the primary challenge that the international
community faces is the delivery of relief supplies," Fitzwater said.
   U.S. military aircraft will begin the airlift to locations inside
Somalia "where there is sufficient security to support these relief
operations" as well as to refugee camps inside neighboring Kenya, the
statement said.
     A White House official said the airlift is expected to begin within days
to four or five areas in southern and central Somalia where the need is most
desperate.  Until now, most U.S. food aid has been sent to the capital,
Mogadishu, with little of the food reaching the rest of the country.
     Pentagon officials said that a team of military specialists, probably
from special operations units, would be dispatched immediately to Somalia
to survey the security and the physical adequacy of four airfields in the
country's hinterlands.  It was not known how many Americans would be
involved....
     The airlift is expected to carry at least 145,000 tons of food to
four airports, mostly in southern and central regions,in an effort to
bypass the warring bands in the vicinity of the nation's capital,
Mogadishy.

    Officials were unable to say *how many flights would be involved* [emphasis
added by dmorse[] or how many military crews would take part...
     ...A more extensive supply of food from ships is under consideration
within the administration and would involve overland convoys from seaports
or Kenya.

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From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Media Bias at Republican Convention
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:29:30 GMT

In article <2A9464B4.16058@orion.oac.uci.edu> cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:
>Mark Preece writes
>But as I said media bias does not refer to syndicated columnists. Media bias is  
>something considerably insidious. Media bias refers to strong left leanings of  
>news people who pretend to just be objectively reporting facts and how those  
>leanings greatly alter about what they report and they report it. These  
>reporters and editors vote Democratic in every presidential election at rates  
>between 70% and 90%. Not that these reporters habitually and intentionally lie.  
>But they will go out and try to find true stories which further their point of  
>view.  Then they will go to members of the left and get their interpretation of  
>the fact. And when they write the stories they will use the language of the  
>side which the left supports. _This_ most people are not aware of and that fact  
>allows these reporters to subtly color everything most americans take for  
>facts.
	This is also the "fact" which you have yet to actually document; so
far the assertion that this sort of distortion actually takes place exists
only as an assertion on your part.
>
>To be concrete, it is true that not a single of the commentators on the talk  
>show circle writes for the Nation. (On the other hand only one writes for the  
>National Review while three or four write for the left-leaning New Republic).  
>But did you know that two of the nations half dozen most influential TV news  
>casters/editors appear in the masthead of the Nation ? 
	I don't read "The Nation", but it happens to be a fact that the editor
of TNR is rather politically conservative by all but the most extreme rightist
standards.  Have you actually looked at the magazine lately?

>
>	Carl Edman

Chuck
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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: <None>
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:39:07 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

jjj
Hello. Just testing something.
bye!
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Derailing the Reagan Revolution, part 2: Seven more years?
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:57:07 CDT


In article <1992Aug21.001616.3662@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.205057.16540@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
> > da> Dean Alaska (dingo in boulder)
> > b > Brett (Stupendous Man)
> > 
> > b > Nothing seems able to make politicians understand that higher tax rates
> > b > do not automatically translate into more money.
> > 
> > da> Maybe the fact that lower taxes during Reagan's wonderful 7 years of
> > da> economic growth led to the highest deficits we've had till then has
> > da> something to do with it.
> > 
> >   Actually, government revenues increased under Reagan too. It's just that
> >   spending increased even faster. The Laffer curve is not bogus.
> > 
> 
> 	Another thing people conveniently forget is what that 1986 tax raise
> was supposed to do.

You mean the 1986 tax increase following the 1984 campaign where Mondale said
"He won't tell you that he'll raise your taxes, I just did."

Followed by "read my lips, no new taxes" in 1988 and a tax increase in 1990.

Now Bush is proposing some tax cuts.  Do you believe him?

>                      It was supposed to be used to take a bite out of the debt. 
> Hmmm.  I wonder where those dollars went?

Are you saying that Ronald Reagan was *wrong* for raising the capital gains tax?

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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Subject: Re: U.S. "TO PROVOKE IRAQ" on MONDAY
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:26:04 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug18.005907.22452@anomaly.sbs.risc.net>, kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan (KD1HZ)) writes:
> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
> 
>>Topic 31        -> U.S. TO PROVOKE IRAQ MONDAY <-       2 responses 
> 
> How does it feel to be consistantly wrong?
> 

	You know what they say about foolish hobgoblins and small minds :)

Brett                                                      
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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: "LIFT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS!" Canadian&Iraqi Labor Activists
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:31:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>I suppose I could work up a parody of Chomsky-speak (use lots of commas,
>dependent clauses, and loaded terms and you can't go wrong) that paints
>Harel as a Saddam-snuggler with an evil agenda...
>---
>Don McGregor | Life is like high school, only with money and guns. 
>drm@esl.com  | 

Oooh, please, could you, pleeeeze?   :-)


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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.discrimination,talk.abortion
From: dsh@zeus.csc.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:31:23 GMT

In article <Bt4rME.Gou.1@cs.cmu.edu> 
garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:

>john@anasazi.com writes:

>> Hmmm... that's odd. I heard a PRO-CHOICE advocate state that 1% of
>> abortions in the US are in the 3rd trimester. These must be very
>> busy and rich doctors.

> That's *less* than 1%.  

The annual number of abortions performed at 21 weeks and after tends
to number in the thousands.  Percentages always make the numbers look 
smaller than people might realize.  That's because there are millions
of abortions performed every year. 

And it's not clear what Ms. Garvin defines as "third trimester". The 
definition of third trimester varies; some put it at 28 weeks, others 
at 24 weeks.

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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: "Sandinista Mismanagement": Somoza's Legacy
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:58:03 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: par for the course

In article <1992Aug20.003656.21129@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
> In article <9208192255.AA01643@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
> 
>>    "Somoza had looted the national treasure and left the country with
>>    one of the world's highest per capita debts
> 
> The irony of this is amazing. When the Sandinstas where voted out
> their last acts where to loot the government stealing cars, office furnature,
> buildings, money, and anything else they could gab.
> 
> In the end, they where no different from any of the other dictators
> they claim to oppose.
> 

	A point that bears repeating.  The Sandanistas, upon being voted out of
office, took the land they were supposed to be redistributing to the peasants
and awarded it to the loyal followers.

	Funny how we see no GET instructions for Sandanista-Land-Theft on any 
posts.

	Now let's wait for the "but at least they were better than country Y"
rationalizations. :)

	H*r*l & Co. also greatly criticize NAFTA, because (of all things) it
reduces the US wages.

	Hmmm, but aren't 95% of his third world rants about how the US "steals"
from the third world and how the US needs to bring down its standard of living
to those third world levels?

	I guess his major problem is that NAFTA will be bringing the third
world standard of living up to ours instead.

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: "Letterbombing"  In what way is it different from a phone zap?
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:26:28 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

	Interesting the even though H*r*l doesn't read usenet[1], he does
always manage to "be in the neighborhood" when something he doesn't agree with
gets posts.

	Note that it is beside the point how many emails I made to H*r*l in an
attempt to communicate with him.  J*m has publicly endorsed mass
faxes/phones/emails as a way to get a point across.

	For him to imply that only when others do it, is it bad is very
hypocritical, and unlikely to withstand serious review.

	'nuff said about that though....

	I'm sure J*m will go on living in his double-standard world.


Brett                                                      
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[1] He frequently posts that he doesn't read the groups and that we should
contact him via email.  Apparently not with the frequency with which he posts,
though.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: DEMOCRATIC PARTY ATTMPTIND TO RULE THE
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:22:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.055211.367@news.duc.auburn.edu>, blackmon@eng.auburn.edu          writes...
>In article G8M@news.cso.uiuc.edu, bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
>> an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> >ALL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANTS IS COMPLETE CONTROL, FIRST IT'S CONGRESS
>> >THEN IT'S THE PRESIDENCE,THEN IT'S AMERICA,AND FINALY THE WORLD.
>> 
>> Then they will implement their Machiavellian policy of making
>> people learn how to spell.
>> 
>> Brian Redman
>> (bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
>> "Ah yes, Armageddon. I remember it well."
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
>Hehehehehehhehhehehhehehehehehe!!!!  Hahahahahahahahaha!!  I'm laughing so hard, I'm
>about to piss on myself!!
> 
>Peace Out,
>Ferrol Blackmon

This guy must be a Democratic plant. Nobodye can be this stupid unless
he is doing it on purpose (or he's related to Dan Quayle). 
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From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: GOP Convention, Houston [warning: not a drug topic at all]
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.drugs,talk.politics.theory
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:45:56 GMT

Peter Couvares writes
> cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:
> >Rush Limbaugh is a gutter conservative. Such people may be currently
> >powerful but in the long run people with ideas and who are able to think, to
> >write and to argue like Milton Friedman or William F Buckley are likely to
> >have greater influence. 
> 
> I just think that intellectuals have always thought they
> have a greater effect on your average person than they
> actually do. This isn't to say that a born-again farmer in
> Pennsylvania is "your average person", but he is one of
> many people who could give a flying fart what Bill Buckley
> or Thurgood Marshall writes, but can really relate to
> Rush Limbaugh. In fact, I think you have it exactly
> backwards. Over time, people writing essays and arguing
> politics have far less of an impact on politics then
> people like Rush who get out there where everyone can hear
> them, and start talking. 

No, I don't really think that intellectuals have all that much of an impact on  
what the average person thinks either. I don't even believe that they have  
terribly much influence in the short run. But over the years young people will  
read their works and if the intellectual is any good he will shape the thinking  
of those people. Some of those young people will be other intellectuals who  
will improve and propagate those ideas further. Others will be popularizers  
(like eg. Rush Limbaugh - how do you think that his views became what they are  
?) which in turn will affect large numbers. And others are going to become  
politicians, representatives, senators or even US presidents. While it is  
certainly true that much of what this group does is controlled by expediency,  
there are limits to what expediency can control and there the ideas of those  
intellectuals will again help form their society. Maybe even in the end only a  
tiny fraction of the population will have read those original intellectuals.  
But it will have the fraction which matters.

If you don't believe it consider the fact that the US alone has spent some  
dozen trillion dollars over the past fifty years to settle an dispute between  
two long dead intellectuals, John Locke and Karl Marx. That most of the people  
in the US probably couldn't correctly associate famous quotes from either with  
the right author more than 50% of the time doesn't diminish that fact. Do you  
really believe that people are ever going to do the like for Rush Limbaugh ?

	Carl Edman
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From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Subject: Re: reagan
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.142507.19244@bwdls61.bnr.ca> zenith89@bwdlh130.bnr.ca () writes:
>In article <cass8806.233@elan.glassboro.edu> cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>>	i suppose everyone saw the convention last night. i think my blood 
>>pressure rose perceptably. pat buchannan, what a man -- i couldn't have said 
>>anything any more damming about the republican party than what came out of 
>>that mans mouth. whose side is he on anyway? 
>
>He's on the side of those who work for a living. He's NOT on the
>side of the layabouts who prefer government cheques or stealing
>instead of working.
>

Yeah right.  Come on, *no one* is on the side of those who work for a 
living.  Reagan was on the side of the rich layabouts who prefer government
checks or stealing instead of working.

-Bob
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.culture.latin-america
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
Subject: Re: "Free elections" indeed
Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:38:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.095948.9261@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

>|>For now I'll leave out the details of the Sandinista death squads and
>|>the torture. But I can't help but wonder just why people think the
>|>election was fair when this was going on?

>Claiming that you have evidence that you do not reveal is hardly a credible
>tactic. 

It wasn't relevant to claims about the unfairness of the election. However,
you can see my previous post for sources on death squads and torture.

>If you could substantiate these claims you would have used them instead
>of tales about harassing trades unionists.

Aparently you read my post somewhat selectively. The quotes document
hassassment of the entire spectrum of opposition to the Sandinsitas.

The question still remains on just how Alex, Harel, and others can possibly
consider that election fair.

>The Nicaraguan elections may not have been entirely fair, 

Well that's progress.

>They were also fairer than those in countries the US supports,
>notably those in El Salvador where the Government backed death squads were an
>indisputable fact.

Actually, most of those sources who liked the Sandinista election also
liked the Salvadoran election.

Interesting thing about the 84 Salvadoran election: the winner was a
former politcal prisoner who had been tortured by the Salvadoran National
Guard. Aparently the Sandinsitas rig elections so they can win but the
Salvadorans seem to rig elections so they loose.

>If you care to read
>the section on the USA you will not find it complimentary.

It is the first part I read. I'll stack it up against Nicaragua
any day.

>So often people accuse others of their own flaws.

Maybe, but *I* have documented my claims. How about you?

   Allen
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From: ddaye@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David C Daye)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Media Bias at Republican Convention
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:07:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <2A9464B4.16058@orion.oac.uci.edu> cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:
>
>But as I said media bias does not refer to syndicated columnists.  Media bias
>is something considerably insidious. Media bias refers to strong left leanings

Liberal bias headline:
  THE PRESIDENT'S ANTI-CHOICE INITIATIVES ALIENATE VOTERS.  DETAILS AFTER THIS
   MESSAGE.

Conservative bias headline:
  THE PRESIDENT'S PRO-LIFE INITIATIVES BROADEN HIS SUPPORT BASE.  DETAILS AFTER
   THIS MESSAGE.

Unbiased headline:
  WOODY ALLEN ACCUSED OF INCEST, MADONNA PERFORMS AT STADIUM.    DETAILS AFTER
   THIS MESSGE.

The *VAST* majority of news in this country is "unbiased."




We now return to the debate over which way the Titanic is listing.
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