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From: mahan@tgv.COM (Patrick L. Mahan)
Subject: RE: Questions about DECWindows under VMS
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:00:04 GMT

#
#I have a few questions about DECWindows under VMS that hopefully
#someone can help me answer.
#
#I don't have access to any machines running DECWindows under VMS, so
#I'm kind of working in the dark here.
#
#1)  The information that I've seen implies that DECWindows under VMS is
#an X11 varient, but I haven't been able to find the relationship
#between various versions of DECWindows and the releases of X11.  Is
#there an easy way to tell whether a version of DECWindows is X11R3 or
#X11R4?
#

When DECwindows was first released with VMS 5.1 it was based on X11R2.
Currently DECwindows is fully compliant with X11R3.  To obtain the 
DECwindows release that is based on X11R4 you must obtain DECwindows/
Motif which is carried as a seperate layer product and not sent out
with the operating system.  Digital has no plans to upgrade the core
DECwindows (commonly refered to as XUI) to X11R4.

To tell what version of X11 DECwindows is compliant with use the following
guidelines:

	o If the operating system is pre-VMS 5.3 then you are running
	  X11R2 based DECwindows.

	o If the operating system is VMS 5.3 or later then you are running
	  X11R3.

	o If the logical LMF$DEC_DW-MOTIF is defined in the logical name
	  table LMF$LICENSE_TABLE then you are running DECwindows based
	  on X11R4.

#
#2) Is VMS DECWindows a full X11 distribution?  Does it support all of
#the XLib toolkit?  Are there any other toolkits that are always
#included?
#

DECwindows supports the full Xlib toolkit.  The toolkits available are
XUI (X User Interface) for DECwindows based on X11R3 and Motif and
XUI for DECwindows based on X11R4.  You may obtain the Athena widget
set for DECwindows from the DECUS library for both X11R3 and X11R4
of DECwindows.

#
#3) Is there any easy way for X programs running under VMS (with the
#DECNet protocol, I suppose) to communicate with X servers running under
#Unix? (either Ultrix or otherwise)
#

You will need to obtain either Digital's or a third-party supported 
release of TCP/IP for VMS.  A number of companies are in this market
(including the one I work for).  Or you could check with your Unix
vendor to see if they have DECnet support for their X Windows stuff.

#
#4) Are there any special issues that have to be addressed in porting an
#XLib-based program from Unix to VMS?
#

Mainly, handling the Unix-isms that most of the PD X Windows software uses
(eg, using select() to do timeouts).  If you obtain the X11 Client and
Demos tape from the DECUS Library, it will contain a number of 
"emulation" routines to help you port the Unix code to VMS.

Patrick L. Mahan

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From: cp78036@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw (Nan-Hu)
Subject: cxterm: unable to allocate fonts..
Organization: NCTU
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:43:13 GMT

  I am installing cxterm come with X11R5 distbubution, as all
steps completed successfully, I added the CXterm.ad to my
Xresources file(as used in xinit). But when I start cxterm,
it told me "unable to locate suitable fonts"..., what wront
with me ? All things(fonts, dict) appear in the directory as
desired...   

cp78036@csunix.csie.nctu.edu.tw

  
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:9662 comp.unix.ultrix:3750
From: pjs@netcom.com (Philip J. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: xloadimage won't set the root window on a DECstation
Keywords: n
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:56:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.pbqj+vm.pjs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr07.142558.25134@donau.et.tudelft.nl> jeanpaul@dutecad.et.tudelft.nl (J.P.M. van der Jagt) writes:
>jwilson@nordsieck.cs.colorado.edu (John Wilson) writes:
>
>>    If I remember correctly,  xloadimage has never been able to display on
>>    the root window on our 24 bit decstations.  Also, when we got our new
>>    dec 5000/240 and went to ultrix 4.2a,  xloadimage started having
>>    problems displaying large images.  Because of this xv was installed.
>>    John Wilson
>
>If you kill "dxwm" and run "twm" instead, xloadimage displays on the
>root window just fine.

I thought this problem was beaten to death on this newsgroup 
just a few months back (not a flame, just an observation :-).
The problem is, as noted above, with dxwm.  It seems dxwm
(along with not being ICCCM compliant (at least, not yet :-))
gives you a pseudo-root window (god knows why).  This makes
all sorts of things go wrong, and you've just found one of them :-)

Every other window manager I've tried works just fine with xloadimage
(twm, uwm, hpwm, mwm, etc.).  Until recently, I worked for DEC in
the software group that developed the X11/PEX/DPS/etc. server software
for the DECStation 5000, and I can assure you it's *not* the server.
DEC is officially supporting Motif; part of this support includes
migrating to Motif clients (including the window manager).  Finally,
I've always liked mwm for aesthetic reasons, and you can make it look
and act like like most any of the other window managers.  I've heard
many folks say the same about twm.  Try other window managers -- you'll
be happy you did :-)

-- Philip
From: spedpr@thor (Paul Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: comms package
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:51:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

Is there a comms package that makes use of X windows. I'm looking for
something that would have the features of qvtnet for Windows3 but under
X instead.
-- 
  Paul Richards at Cardiff university, UK.

  spedpr@uk.ac.cf.thor	Internet: spedpr%thor.cf.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
  UUCP:     spedpr@thor.cf.UUCP or ...!uunet!mcsun!ukc!cf!thor!spedpr
+++
From: charette@cheetah.det.dec.com (Mark Charette)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: xtank on DECstation 5000/200 ULTRIX4.2
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:32:21 GMT
Reply-To: charette@cheetah.det.dec.com (Mark Charette)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Apr13.171509.3557@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, johannes@ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de (Johannes Viegener) writes:
|>Does someone has succesfully built xtank1.3d ona DECstation 5000/200?
|>All I got is a lot of errors, concerning redeclarations of malloc, etc.
|>Any help is appreciated!
|>
|>Regards,  Johannes
|>

Comment out all the redeclaration of malloc, etc., and make (I did a make -k 
to find all in one pass). The declarations conflict with those in the header 
files. After this, remake. xtank is working fine now for us.

--
Mark Charette                |Yes, I do speak for my employer. Really. Often.
Fisher Engineering Systems   |Digital Equipment Corporation is NOT my employer,
charette@cheetah.det.dec.com |so don't blame them. I just consult there.
From: lehors@celeste.inria.fr (Arnaud Le Hors)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: How many xpm formats are there ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:58:25 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

There are three versions of the Xpm format, everybody should use the last one
though ;-)

The sxpm program of the current Xpm distribution let you convert XPM2 files
to Xpm3.


  Arnaud LE HORS     BULL Research France -- Koala Project, XPM Designer
  lehors@sophia.inria.fr  Phone:(33) 93 65 77 71  Fax:(33) 93 65 77 66
  Inria Sophia Antipolis BP 93 06902 SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS Cedex France
From: achan@idaho.tdd.sj.nec.com (Amy Chan  x2941)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: What is XtPointer?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:43:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: sj.1992Apr13.174343.11459
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California

In article <1992Apr13.114547.7786@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> baechtel@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>
>I am having trouble compiling a xdbx which uses the Zaw library.
>Both use a variable type call XtPointer, but I can not find
>this defined anywhere in Xaw or Xt.
>
>Does anyone know where this is defined?
>

Should be in Intrinsic.h.

Amy
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From: JPMvOorschot@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Jan van Oorschot)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: XDM nightmare
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:51:25 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

Hi,

We are running a cluster of SUN's with sunos 4.1.2 (SOLARIS) combined
with the X11R5 patch level 9. The SUN's are on the Campus ethernet
connected to The Internet.
We are using XDM to start up the X servers on the suns and some HP X
terminals.
Here comes a very profesional description of the problem:

     - start XDM's on most sun's. Everything works fine, lots of
       people can start up X servers.
     - Let it run for a few hours/ a day.
     - All XDM daemon have crashed, core files in the root directories
       of the sun's that (used to) run XDM daemons.
     - kill all bungling X servers,  restart XDM daemons, everything 
       will run OK for a few hours.
     
I don't have the sources of X11R5 online any more, so examining the
core files is not realistic (for me anyway).

From this very short description of the problem, can anybody help me ?

Jan

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: CFRAZIER@hdsc.ssc.af.MIL (C | C Code | C Code Run, please!)
Subject: FWD: Undeliverable Mail
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:28:23 GMT

   Do any of you guys know of a dial-up node and/or BBS where I could obtain 
more 
  information and files about Xwindows and/or Motif?
  
  Also, I would assume there would be a forum on CompuServe where this topic is 
  discussed, but I haven't seen it.  
  
  Thanks.
  
  Internet   :   cfrazier@hdsc.ssc.af.mil
  CompuServe :   71052,3547
  Prodigy    :   HRNV00A
  
  
  Curtis
  

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From: converse@expo.lcs.mit.EDU (Donna Converse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Single application context for multiple displays
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:12:50 GMT
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science



> > Has anyone tried to use a single application context to access
> > multiple displays?
> 
> I believe, by definition, that an XtApplicationContext is defined
> to reference once display only.

False, see section 2.1 of the X Toolkit Intrinsics specification.
From: eric@pencom.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: What is XtPointer?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:01:24 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Apr13.114547.7786@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>  
baechtel@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> 
> I am having trouble compiling a xdbx which uses the Zaw library.
> Both use a variable type call XtPointer, but I can not find
> this defined anywhere in Xaw or Xt.

This is a type defined in the Xt headers.  If you are
using R3, well, you have problems.

XtPointer is defined to be the type for generic pointers.
void * is the preferred for ANSI compilers,
char * for pre-ANSI compilers.
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:9880 comp.unix.sysv386:8482
From: jochen@mrz.lm.sub.org (Jochen Fahrner)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: X386 video mode woes
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:14:28 GMT
Organization: Muenchener Rechenzentrum, Munich/Bavaria
X-Md4-Signature: 0cee6c10f35ab90ff963917ce9e6c24f

In article <1992Apr8.074527.7814@funet.fi> akk@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Kautonen Ari) writes:

   I had just the same problems with my no-name HiColor 4032 card. I checked
   the dot frequencies with the oscilloscope and noticed that all the clocks
   were doubled!

The same is true with my EIZO VA41. This is a normal ET4000 Card, no
HiColor. I'm using X386 Version 1.0.
Is this a bug or a feature in X386 ?

I studied the programming manual for my EIZO VA41 and it looks like
bit 6 of TS indexed register 7 is not set properly. Some dotclocks
require this bit to be set and others not. This bit divides the clock
by 2.

This is the table of VA41 Dotclocks:

CS2 CS1 CS0	clock frequency		default use
--------------------------------------------------------
0   0   0	50.350 MHz		25.175 MHz by 1/2
0   0   1	56.000 MHz		28.000 MHz by 1/2
0   1   0	40.000 MHz		40.000 MHz
0   1   1	65.000 MHz		65.000 MHz
1   0   0	31.480 MHz		31.480 MHz
1   0   1	70.000 MHz		35.000 MHz by 1/2
1   1   0	95.000 MHz		47.500 MHz by 1/2
1   1   1	75.000 MHz		75.000 MHz

With X386 I only get the clocks in the left column.
So I can't configure a standard 640x480 Mode, which requires 25.175 MHz.

Jochen
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From: vestal@src.honeywell.com (Steve Vestal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.windows.x
Subject: Mac/XWindows Toolbox
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:29:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Apr9.182953.13938
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center

We've got a Mac program we'd like to port to Suns.  Is there a library that
emulates or supports Mac graphics calls using XWindows?  This seems like the
kind of thing someone would have done.

I don't subscribe to these newsgroups, please email me your response.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Steve Vestal
Mail: Honeywell S&RC MN65-2100, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis MN 55418 
Phone: (612) 782-7049                    Internet: vestal@src.honeywell.com
From: michael@maine.maine.edu (Michael Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Problems with XtSetKeyboardFocus
Date: 4 Apr 92 18:24:45 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System
To:      NETNEWS@MAINE

I'm having some problems with the behavior of Xt when XtSetKeyboardFocus
has been used, and so far as I can tell it is inherent in the design of Xt.

Xt tracks EnterNotify and LeaveNotify events when the keyboard has been
re-directed and manufactures FocusIn and FocusOut events for the receiving
window when the pointer enters and leaves the source window. I think this
behavior is wrong. In my case, it causes Focus events to be generated for the
receiving window even though I have set the focus to the source window with
XSetInputFocus.

The point of this, according to the source code, is to ensure correct behavior
in a real-estate driven (i.e. follow the pointer) focus model. In my opinion,
it is unnecessary and causes problems in an explicit focus model.

When the focus is set to PointerRoot, the server will generate Focus events
for the source window, so Xt does not have to. When the focus is not set to
PointerRoot, Xt should not be trying to simulate PointerRoot behavior, since
the widget or application programmer clearly does not want the focus to follow
the pointer.

Is there some way to turn this behavior off, like a global resource setting
that Xt pays attention to? I can't see that there is.

Michael Johnson, VM Systems Group                     michael@maine.maine.edu
"I will choose the path that's clear. I will choose Free Will." -- Neil Peart
From: c23sn@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Siva Nadarajah)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Keystroke echo problems on xterms?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:03:24 GMT
Reply-To: c23sn@kocrsv01
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.


I am in the process of developing an X-application (based on X11R4)
on Sparc II running SunOS 4.1.1. This application which is run under
mwm forks (with non-blocking wait) a number of xterms for the purpose 
of editing etc.

These xterms exhibit a rather weird problem after the application is 
run for an hour or two. Sometimes the keystrokes are echoed "delayed 
by one character" (typing a char causes the *previous* char to echo)
or they are not echoed until the mouse is moved (some focus events).
The characters are getting to the xterm, just not being displayed
properly.  (e.g.  When an xterm gets into a "mode" where a focus
event is needed to echo the characters typed, typing "ls<Enter>"
does not echo "ls" but does execute the command).  Once this behavior
starts, all xterms started by the application have the problem (until
the program is quit and restarted).
But this problem does not occur if an xterm is brought-up outside the
application.

Any suggestions on this problem are very much appreciated.

- Siva.


Siva Nadarajah                   c23sn@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
From: tonse@csa2.lbl.gov (Shaheen Tonse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xroach on a Dec5000 running DecWindows
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:44:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22571
Reply-To: tonse@csa2.lbl.gov
Organization: LBL - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

I moved over from Houston, TX and miss the cockroaches so much that
I am trying to make xroach run on my decstation. Nothing appeared on the 
dsiplay and the program just sat there, using no CPU time. I asked the 
author, and he said that xroach tries to draw roaches on the root window, 
but that Decwindows writes another (one or 2) windows over the root window. I 
looked in the code & think it is here:

    screen = DefaultScreen(display);
    rootWin = FindRootWindow();
    black = BlackPxel(display, screen);
    white = WhitePixel(display, screenlay_width = DisplayWidth(display, screen);

How can I change the code so that things show up on the scrren?
				S.Tonse.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: ebohlin@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Einar D. Bohlin)
Subject: using xwd software
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:35:49 GMT


Hi,
 I am using the xwd software that I downloaded from somewhere (I
forget) and I have a small problem.  I am trying to dump screens from my
Sun workstation using xwd and then using the other software that comes
along with that stuff to convert the screen to PICT format to be used on
a MacIntosh.  Unfortunately it is trying to translate colors so that
when I finally get it to the Macintosh the outline around the buttons do
not show up.  Has anybody used this software.  Also I am losing all the
titles on my Motif dialogs.  If anybody knows what I am talking about
please HELP. Thanks in advance.

ebohlin@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: kemper@millelac.rhrk.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [Informatik])
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Patched version of XRN anywhere
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:00:16 GMT
Reply-To: kemper@millelac.rhrk.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [Informatik])
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern (Germany)

Since I am not able to upload the XRN source, patch it and then compile
it, I want to know if there is an already patched and compiled version
for Sun SparcStation IPC anywhere.

Thank you

|\/|ichael |<emper              +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
University of Kaiserslautern    + RENT THIS SPACE                             +
Germany	                        +                                             +
                                +                       (Nothing to disclaim) +
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: Motif vs Open-look vs X
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:04:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>Use the OI toolkit. It does NOT FORCE you to choose b/w OpenLook or Motif.
>You can have both. 

Does it not force you to buy a C++ compiler?  Does it allow you to choose
*neither*?

-- 


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Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:9692 comp.unix.sysv386:8322
From: akk@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Kautonen Ari)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: X386 video mode woes
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:45:27 GMT
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network FUNET

From article <mark.702596901@snark>, by mark@snark.itc.gu.edu.au (Mark Hessling):
> 
> 
> Every video mode I tried (from 1024x768i to 640x480) all came out looking
> very similar; diagnonal lines from top left to bottom right and sweeping 
> across the screen sometimes to the left, sometimes to the right. I should
> say that all modes appeared similarly, that is when I actually got an image.
> Several modes just displayed a blank screen. The mouse pointer was visible 
> as a scattered grouping of dots occuring several times evenly spaced across 
> the screen.
> 
> Thanks, Mark
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Hessling                         Email: mark@snark.itc.gu.edu.au
> ITC                                   Phone: +617 875 7691
> Griffith University                   Fax:   +617 875 7877
> Nathan, Brisbane QLD 4111 Australia

I had just the same problems with my no-name HiColor 4032 card. I checked
the dot frequencies with the oscilloscope and noticed that all the clocks
were doubled! So the slowest clock I could use was 50 MHz and the fastest
130 MHz. When using these clocks I was able to calculate the correct sync
positions and resolutions (although they were quite bizarre 1024x600, ..,
1024x768 interlaced worked fine with 50MHz). I really don't know what is
the difference with ET4000 and ET400AX+HiColor cards. So try the clocks

	clocks	50 56 ... 130


Hope this helps.

Ari Kautonen  (akk@cs.tut.fi)
From: eric@pencom.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: colors
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:42:46 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <920409093500.21800e3a@hdsc.ssc.af.mil> CFRAZIER@hdsc.ssc.af.MIL (C  
| C Code | C Code Run, please!) writes:
> 
> I'm running  Motif  on a VAX and have noticed that my colors aren't  
consistent 
> from terminal to terminal.  I'm having a heck of a time with the colormaps  
and 
> someone out there please offer some code to help me with this.  thanks.
> 
> I've worked over 30 hours on just getting the colors the act right.  Can  
anyone 
> offer me any advice.  I've already gone over schedule for this thing.  
> 
>  p.s.  Are there any dial-up BBSs that support Motif discussion?

This is a hardware issue.   RGB 100,50,200 will simply not look the
same on all terminals (and PRINTERS especially!!!).  X11R5
addresses this issue.
From: falcon@h01.UUCP (Larry Dunn x5894)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Graphics System
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:16:56 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I am looking for anyone who may know of a product that is available that allows the display and dynamic updating of Piping and Instrumentation Diagrams (P&IDs) in the X world.  We are using Sun Workstations with the OpenWindows version 3 product and version 4.1.1 of the Operating System.  We also have access to Motif version 1.1.3.  

My primary concern is that this product will allow us to diplay and update these diagrams in a real-time sense.  The diagrams will be complex so the software must support zooming and panning functions.  This allows some of the complexity to be buried in deeper levels of the display so the user can see varying portions of detail to support the diagnosis of given systems that the diagram will represent.  

This software could also include the capability to build the displays but, the important issue is the display and update at run-time since the intent is to use it in a real-time environment.

Please respond to me directly,

Larry Dunn
Man-Machine Design
Westinghouse Elec. Corp.

e-mail: sunpitt!cognac!h01!falcon
phone : (412) 374-5894
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x