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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:35:28 GMT

zoran siveski fac ee (zoran@hertz.njit.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec17.215840.21427@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell) writes:
> >
> >P.S.  Don't plan on getting your wallet stolen.  INS will treated
> >YOU like the criminal.  I had to take my mom to deal with them in
> >just such a situation, and up to the time she decided to become
> >an American citizen (1989, about 9 years after the theft), she got 
> >hassles about it.
> 
> Rather don't plan on carrying your "green card" with you (unless you
> travel abroad, of course.) You are not required by the law to do it.
> 
Please elaborate.  My understanding was that it was a requirement, or at
the very least advisable in case of encounters with authorities.  I once
had to produce it for a police officer when he asked for ID.  He verified
my ID from a driver's license and then asked to see the card once he heard
my accent.

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From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Christmas mesage to s.c.b.
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:27:54 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>Peace on Earth definitely! Let all Britons, English, Socts, Irish and welsh
>(Cyrmite) all come together in brotherly love.

On behalf of all my fellow Socts, Dave, the same to you - with welsh
Marmite on it.
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:40:26 GMT

patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:

>Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is. Does
>the colour of these things have some significance? Are Green ones
>reserved for Hispanics, Blue for Europeans etc.? 

The old ones were green.  I have often wondered how long that phrase will
be used now that they are no longer green.

>The reason I ask is: some years ago, I went back to London and
>left my Green card at home in California. On my return to the US
>the Immigration wallahs were naturally a bit suspicious and
>although I was allowed back, I had to pay a visit to the San
>Francisco office of the INS to prove I had a card. During this
>visit, I produced said card with a flourish and was chastised for
>displaying it so prominently. The only reason I could see for this
>admonishment, assuming the general design of the cards to be the
>same, was that the colour might be significant. Or was the INS
>official just being a wally?

He was being a bit paranoid, but they are worth a lot of money on the black
market so it probably is best not to wave it around.  A friend of my
parents lost hers about 15 years ago and the INS conducted a pretty
thorough investigation to make sure that she acutally lost it and didn't
sell it.  They told her that they were worth $10,000 at the time.

36 years here and I still have a green (now blue/white) card. (-:

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:25:13 GMT

C R Pennell (hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
> cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
> : . . . it may be of interest that there exists a car repair business in
> Balsall Heath, Birmingham (UK) called Golliwogs (not Golly). Balsall Heath is
> : an inner city area with a high percentage of black residents. That
> : 
> 	Do you know the race/colour of the owner?
> 
British Racing Green, of course...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Binary fission, was Re: Charles & Di split?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:56:45 GMT

jac54@cas.org () writes:
: In article <Bz8puq.9rI@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
: >
: >The the dreary German crew came in and Queen Vicky set up shop. Since she was
: >not to keen on lying back and thinking of Knaresborough she had the finest minds
: >of the age of invention think up a solution. After a few false starts...
: >... it is possible to reveal that the Royal family now reproduce
: >a-sexualy by binary cell division.
: >
: 
: 	This is called "parthenogenesis" from the ancient Greek for
: 	"degree in Arcitecture".  A former colleague demonstrated that
: 	this was the case for sea anemones he picked up whilst wandering
: 	about the low-water mark at St. Andrews after the pubs had shut.
: 
: 	There is evidently greater sophistication in the Saxe-Coburg
: 	mechanism.  The basic mechanism would lead to an unbroken line
: 	of Queen Victorias.

	Are you sure they don't reproduce by cold fusion?

Richard Pennell History NUS
From: pd@x.co.uk (Paul Davey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Tell me about crackers
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:13:50 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Not a lot
X-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated.
X-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message.

>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 00:03:32 GMT, suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick) said:

Jean> Could someone tell me about the custom of having "crackers"
Jean> after Christmas dinner?  

A cracker is a round crepe paper covered tube of thin cardboard often
decorated with a paper scrap motif. It is pulled by the two ends by
two people so that an the snap makes a bang similar to that from a toy
cap gun and the paper tears revealing the contents.

Jean> What typically is found in a cracker?

Typically:
	a paper hat
	a motto or joke on a small piece of paper
	a toy or novelty - (unless they are very cheap crackers)

Jean> When did the custom begin?  

I'm not sure but it's pre 1900, maybe sometime in C19.

Jean> What are its origins?  

Apparently it derived from a French custom of placing sweets in a
Bon-Bon (a small bag or tube?) which children would tear apart for the
sweets.

Jean> Is it a widespread custom?  

Very. No British Christmas meal would be quite complete without them.

Jean> Do people make their own crackers?  

Yes, you can buy kits, or separate components.

Jean> Any tips on how to put a >crack< into a homemade cracker?

Yes, buy some commercially made ``snaps''. These contain a small
ammount of explosive. 

Jean> And while I'm at it, what's this custom of wearing silly paper
Jean> hats at during the Christmas festivities?  

They come in the crackers, (though you can buy the better ones
separately).  The simplest and commonest type are just tissue paper
(is that a UKism?) cut into a crude crown shape with a zig zag top.

[tissue paper is not related to paper tissues, but is very thin -
almost translucent coloured paper.]


Jean> What's in a Christmas pudding?  

Nuts, vine fruit, suet, flour, (maybe some more stuff). It produces a
very dark rich pudding, which is steamed for several hours, or
microwaved for several minutes.

Also sometimes brandy (or other achohol) is included, which is also
often poured flaming over the hot pudding as it is served.

Jean> Anyone have a good recipe?

Some one will.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:58:04 GMT

In article <1gai92INNc7c@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> martin.baines@uk.sun.com writes:
>In article 1818102893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA, 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:
>>The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
>>need the monarchy, 
>
>Personally I'd like to see an elected Presidency with similar powers
>to the current Monarch, and the heredity members removed from the Lords:
>basically a system pretty similar to that in the Irish Republic. 
>
>It would presumably be very simple for Australia, Canada, NZ etc to
>replace the Govenor Generals with an elected President if they wanted
>to. Of course if one of them wanted to keep them, I am sure the Royal
>Family would be happy to move to (say) South Island NZ.
>
I don't know about the others, but it would be a very complicated
process for Canada to remove the Monarchy, it would require a majority
vote in the House of Commons, Senate, and ALL 10 provincial legislatures.
A constitional amendment requiring such unaminity has never before
been succesful, for everytime it is tried, the provinces insist
on linking any amendment, to other, often unrelated, claused, such
as an elected Senate.  Quebec, for example, could probably not
survive the humility of agreeing to ANY change to the Constition, without
obtaining their 5 basic demands (or however many they have now :-)

So perhaps we could keep them, after all they don't cost us much!

Nicholas Fitzpatrick
From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pig in a poke
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:38:03 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Dec10.205317.11168@pierrot.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) writes:
> (  >I'd heard that the expression 'bought a pig in a poke' came from the
> (  >country fairs of old where a favourite swindle was to sell a cat in a
> (  >sack (or poke) to an unsuspecting punter as a pig.
> (  
> (  This expression also exists in French, Swedish and Norwegian.
> (  Interestingly enough, the French and Norwegian versions are the 
> (  other way around, i.e. "buying the ~cat~ in the poke", which, to me,
> (  makes the metaphor less clear, as it implies prior knowledge of what is
> (  really purchased. Most likely, the expression exists in other languages,
> (  and it would be interesting to learn which version is used the most...
> 
> For what it's worth, the Welsh is also a cat in a bag -- prynu cath mewn cwd --
> but I am not sure I associated it with buying a duff pig.  That is, I always /
> assumed it to mean buying unseen, the intention always having been to buy   /
> a cat although not necessarily the clawless one the seller wanted rid of.  / g
Forgive me for pointing out that "to let the cat out of the bag"
is the obvious corollary of the previous saying - does this have
French/German/Dutch equivalents.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: If the Wales' divorce
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:03:31 GMT

Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
| Is there an
|  absolute rule that the Head of the C of E must also be sovereign?

That should be easy to answer.  Just check the appropriate clause of
the Constitu...

Never mind.
-- 
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Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Allberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!  Ewig... ewig... ewig...
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:14:26 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Northern Ireland
 <1992Dec11.091405.28795@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> <92346.1704452893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Dec15.134159.11229@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>

In article <1992Dec15.134159.11229@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew
Huntbach) says:
>
>In article <92346.1704452893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.091405.28795@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew
>>Huntbach) says:
>>>None of the six counties is overwhelmingly Catholic in
>>>population. A while back someone posted a population of all the
>>>districts (which are smaller than counties) in NI, and none of
>>>them was more than 80% of one religious background or the
>>>other.
>>
>>This is not the information I have seen, Fermangh (sp) for example is
>>predominantly Catholic as is the southern portion of the province
>>>
>>>At the time of partition all the 6 counties that form NI had
>>>Protestant majorities, though two of them only just so and the
>>
>>Once again, this is not the information I have seen, I shall look it up
>>and post the stats but I believe Fermangh for example was over 80% RC as
>>were/are the southern portions of the province
>>
>Well, in that case how come the constituency of Fermanagh and
>Tyrone elects the *Unionist* MP, Ken Maginnis? Although this is
>partly explained by the Catholic vote being split between SDLP
>and Sinn Fein, it still indicates either that there is a
>substantial proportion of Protestants there, or a substantial
>proportion of the Catholic "80%" votes Unionist.
>
>As for the "southern portions" of the province, Mid-Ulster
>again returns a Unionist (in fact a Paisleyite) MP due to SDLP
>Sinn Fein splitting. Newry & Armagh and Down South now return
>SDLP MPs, but not by overwhelming majorities, in fact both in
>the recent past have returned Unionist MPs.

What is the voter turnout? Also do Fermangh and Tyrone consitutencies
correspond precisely to the respective counties?. How many ridings have
nationalist/republican majorities out of the total?
>
>Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:17673 soc.culture.celtic:8238
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The Scottish National Anthem
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:49:10 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>s0319198@let.rug.nl (E.B. Meijerink) writes:
>>   Why is there no mentioning of 'Scotland the Brave'?
>Probably because this is even more of a National Embarrassment than
>"Flower of Scotland". StB was written for the music hall and is the
>archetypal hearther-bagpipes-and-tartan-kitsch, so beloved of Scottish
>entertainers(?) like Andy Stewart and Harry Lauder.
>
>I doubt if anyone in Scotland knows the words to it (thank God).

It's only fair to point out that such "kitsch" is of course beloved by
Scottish entertainers because it is extremely popular with the Scottish
people.

"National Embarassment"?  Oh dear!  He even institutionalises the concept
by capitalising it.

Rejection of popular culture by snobbish pseudo-intellectuals is never a
pretty sight, and in this case probably goes a long way to explaining the
massive inferiority complex that seems to be affecting my homeland.

No wonder, when the very people who purport to be nationalist, supporting
one form or another of separation for Scotland, at the same time denigrate
and are embarrassed by their popular culture.

To tie this in with a previous thread, has the brainwashing in Scottish
schools against Scottish dialect and all things Scottish, finally
succeeded?

I noticed with pain that even the clearly nonsensical interpretation of the
words to "Flower of Scotland" posted recently went unchallenged.  The first
lines don't refer to a lost nationhood for goodness sake.  The title and
"When will we see your likes again" refers to fallen soldiers.

Get off your buts and stop moaning about being hard done by and running
down a culture that you should be justly proud of, one of the richest
popular cultures of any nation.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Reply-To: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:58:06 GMT

snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle) writes:
>
>Well here the brit war pensioner again who has been made more welcome here in
>berlin the last 14 years whan i was most of my life in britain and 25 other
>coutries! Just tellin you how incredibaly BIZARE I find lawrences mails!

Does DSY have a student?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:02:48 GMT


Well here the brit war pensioner again who has been made more welcome here in
berlin the last 14 years whan i was most of my life in britain and 25 other
coutries! Just tellin you how incredibaly BIZARE I find lawrences mails!


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From: rap@nnsgs50.tcom.stc.co.uk (Richard Porter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Magic Roundabout
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:11:09 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com

In article <1gs10nINNn4@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM
(Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:

>I think they got the original dialogue, but it had satirical/political
>references that simply didn't translate sensibly. The translator
>(who was it? Eric Postlethwaite?) just gave up & invented his own.

Eric Thompson, I believe.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: More silly songs.
Keywords: while shepherds washed their socks by night christmas carols
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:35:45 GMT

In article <Bz4AHn.1Gz@math.uwaterloo.ca> arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper) writes:
>Is there any more to the following:
>
>  While shepherds washed their socks by night,
>  All seated round a tub,
>  The angel of the Lord came down,
>  And taught them how to scrub.
>
Try:

   While shepherds washed their socks by night,
   All seated round a tub,
   A bar of Sunlight Soap came down,
   And they began to scrub!

At least, this is what *we* used to sing.

Tin.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:18:39 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

>In article <1992Dec15.160806.9130@maths.tcd.ie>, pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:

>> 
>> This is truly frightening. Isn't it obvious? 'Sesame St' is A CIA FRONT.
>> Think of it. Get the kids to start speaking in an American accent - the
>> next thing, they'll want to be part of the US.

Scary, isn't it?
Before long, BBC newsreaders will be saying 'hewston' instead of 'hooston'.

Dave (not 2 miles from the real Houston)
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From: jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Anglepoise Lamps
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:40:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bz94nM.3IJ.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes
> mad5c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Michael DeLong) writes:
> : Would some kind soul please tell me what an anglepoise lamp is?
[ deleted]
> It is a lamp consisting of a number of long articulated shafts with a
> directional shade at one end so that the light can be concentrated on
> the area of the user's desk where the light is required. The shafts
> are balanced by the use of creaking springs whish usually cause it to
> gently move position during the evening. 

For an American translation, I've heard them referred to as
"architect's lamps", and a handy IKEA catalogue calls them "work
lamps".

Jonathan H.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: BOXING DAY- 26th Dec
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.181607.10396@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>
>Not, of course, it falls happen on a Saturday.  The Grate British
>Werker not to be deprived of his day Off.  This year its on Monday the
>28.
>
>How's my Yadallean?

You sound more like Nigel Molesworth to me!




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.british FAQ [was Re: Time to elect a monarch?]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.151738.18297@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.004126.23419@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>In article <kNHkVB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>>With the recent in the Crown, one should speak on this situation.
>>>                              ^^^
>>>One must note that despite my Centrist politics, I am an avowed Monarchist.
>>>But with the recent separation of the Prince and Princess of Wales, this throws
>>>the current system in doubt and one should wonder if the Magestrate should be
>                                  ^^^
>>>elected by Her/Her Royal Majesty's subject.
>
>>When the FAQ is compiled, the above post should be used in the
>>glossary under the entry "Yadallean".  After some study, I believe
>>it to be a definitive example of that dialect.  
>
>Notice also the use of "one" for "I", a habit only usually observed in
>the royals themselves.  Do you think Dave wants to be the next King?
>
>--


Hey, vote for Dave!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: Green cards
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:51:01 GMT

>> It says: Form I-551 Jan. 77

Hey Mine says that too - Does that mean it's still a valid one??
Read  another insert below it seems from this they are -

>>The old, green ones don't.  The 1972 variety (just too late for Susan's
>>15 years) do; they are white on the front and green on the back.  The
>>newest style is valid for 10 years and is pink.  Either of the last two
>>styles will stay valid.

I hope so, As I will probably be leaving the country on holiday in May '93 
I guess I'll find out!!


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