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From: 78witherspoo@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
Subject: Re:      Southern US
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:03:47 GMT

In article <920812100146.3d9e@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU>,         MARK DRAKE <DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU> writes:
>As my brother said, It's not a relationship, it's a social club.
> 
>You might be able to tell that my brother and I are somewhat cynical.  Growing
>up in southern California, where going to church is NOT the thing to do,
>we are kinda sensitive about this social christianity that exists in the South.
> 
> Mark Drake
______________________________________________________________________________
Mark--

	Well, having been raised (for a brief time) in South Carolina, and
having been down there a number of times to visit my Father's family, I can say
that this is _sort-of_ true.

	A social club yes, but for a pretty interesting reason.

	One of my uncles told me this, so I can vouch for his background:
Born in Columbia, SC 1934
Died in Anderson, SC 1986
Life-long member of the First Baptist Church of Anderson (I think, about the
							  name of the church)

	During the pre-Civil War period, the church was used as a community
communication network, as many churches still do today.  When the fighting 
started, the church began to play significant roles in:

	*	espionage
	*	medical care
	*	troop housing
	*	mail service from families to soldiers

and many other vital areas of support for the Confederacy.  After the war, the
wartorn South was ravaged again by big-business interests of the North, and the
church once again was a unifying force in the South-- I would (and so would my
late uncle) go so far as to say that the church was largely responsible for
keeping the South together.

	My unlce showed me several letters (one of which I have) from one of my
great-great uncles who was a sharpshooter for the CSA.  He was imprisoned in a
Northern prison camp, and credits the letters and food and blankets that his
parish had sent him during the course of the war as one of the ways he was able
to survive it.

	Politics once again!  I am going on my vacation to Atlanta tomorrow, so
I will see if this is still true.  

	That story you told was unfortunate, not all Southerners are like
that.  Please don't get the idea that we are all rebel flag-waving, KKK members
who are ungodly.  There are always a few rotten apples in every bushel.

Love and good walking,

Tom Witherspoon

78witherspoo@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu

"Save a life, get a clue."
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:43:53 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      My first sermon! Tonight!! ARRGH!

Hi All..

A quick prayer request! I know God is not limmited to time, so please pray
for me ,even though when you read this ,it will all be over!

Tonight is the last night of leadership seminars being held in our church.
As usual, all of the elders will be there. The lead elder of the church who
is running the leadership lessons asked us all to prepare a short five
minute sermon and that he would ask for volunteers to give it tonight..

Anyway I really want to give mine tonight, so I will volunteer. I am so
nervous I think I am going to puke. I have taken home groups before in
front of 10 - 15 people but never something this big (50 off people plus
elders). I am SOOOOOO NERVOUS!.

Please pray for my strengthening and that the annointing will be on me
tonight!

Oh yes, I am going to preach on the two thieves on the cross!!!

BYeeeeee!

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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:31:58 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dittoheads

Um, I don't want to disappoint anybody, but:

I've looked into the alt lists for Rush, and they are mostly made
up of Rush-bashers.  They don't appear to be much in the way of
fans over there.

I know there is a list for fans on compuserve, but I'm not hooked
up to that.  (Yet.  Someday, when I'm rich and famous.....)

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:00:01 CDT
From:         Anthony Glen Jeffries <jeffries@IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: green peace/new age
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              17 Aug 92 10:03:52 -0600. <9208170830.AA05391@po-1.iastate.edu>

>      By the way, when I was in Japan I ran across a book that I think was
>called The New Age Handbook.  It was put out by Gordon Melton (?) - the guy
>who also has some interesting books out on the various Christian groups... you
>probably know who I am talking about.  Anyway, in the book he lists many group
s
>and organizations that are considered to be "new age."  It is an interesting
>book.  I can't remember if it listed Green Peace or not... you might check if
>you have access (I sure don't).

>                           Peace in Christ the King,  Zane.

Under the "New Age" entry on William Watson's "Dictionary of Cults and
Religions," GreenPeace is listed as "allegedly" having ties to the New Age.

Anthony Glen Jeffries
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:11:13 CDT
From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Bible - Part 1

     Defending the Bible, Part 1

What is my starting point?

   Every philosophy or system of thought has a starting point. The
starting point is assumed and is not able to be demonstrated because
there is nothing else that comes before it. Religions and world views
also have certain such presuppositions or assumptions on which they base
their statements of defense or their creeds and arguments for existing.
   For the Christian the Bible is his apologetic starting point. The
truth, therefore, of the Bible is assumed by the Christian. It is the
very nature of a child of God to believe that his Father's Word, as
recorded in the Bible, is completely true from cover to cover.
   Also important to the Christian, is that the Bible claims to be
inspired. At this point the unbeliever may say, "You are begging the
question." But stop and think about it for a second; if the Bible had
said it was not inspired, then the unbeliever would immediately agree.
   Do not the courts of our land hear the testimonies of witnesses who
swear to tell the truth? There have been false witnesses in the past and
will continue to be in the future, but the courts also continue to hear
witnesses claim to tell the truth; and the courts admit these claims as
true evidence simply because the witness says they are true. Is the
defense attorney begging the question when he begins from the starting
point that his client is innocent?

Tom Brewer
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:28:45 CDT
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From:         Brad Kaiser <bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM>
Subject:      Q: Origin of the term "mass".
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              12 Aug 1992 09:36:00 -0400 <9208121616.AA06284@motgate.mot.com>

Lora Harris asks:

>> Trivia question - where did the term "mass" for the service including
>> communion/Lord's Supper/eucharist come from?  A friend was asking, and so far
>> has had three people give her the same answer with the disclaimer that they
>> weren't sure of it.

It comes from the words which dismiss the congregration:

   "Ite, missa est."

   (Literally, "Go, [she, the church] is sent.")

To which the response is:

   "Deo gratias!"

   ("Thanks be to God!")

"Missa" is the passive voice feminine of "mitto, mittere, missus est",
"to send".

The service came to be known as "Missa" in Latin, hence, in English,
"Mass".

Brad Kaiser
(bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com)

  "Hatred destroys.  Only love creates."
            -- St. Maximilian Kolbe, shortly before his arrest and
               martyrdom at the hands of the Nazis.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:19:28 MST
From:         "Steven E. Hoell" <seh@NEUTRON.PHYSICS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Should we respect others?

>Steve--

>       Have you read any Joseph Campbell?  Not only is he an articulate
>writer, but he presents _all_ of human mythology and religious experience in an
>interesting way.  He also uses many comparisons to modern society's views on
>the hero, becoming an adult, etc. But I digress...

        Yes, I've read Joseph Campbell, and I once took a course in
        comparative religions from one of Mircea Eliade's doctoral students.
        I find it all very fascinating and I respect his intellectual prowness.
        The Book of Romans, however, has a more sober account of Man's
        spiritual history.

>       "Truth does not tolerate error."  Hmmmm, I guess this is the statement
>that _I_ have a problem with.  I realize that God has set down the Way to
>salvation, but he has made us all imperfect, flawed-- we are already _in_
>error.  The challenge lies in overcoming that flawed nature of ours.

        The Truth, Tom, may be painfully narrow. Jesus said, "Enter through the
        narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to
        destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and
        narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matt.
        7:13-14, NIV)
        It isn't just my opinion.

>       As for respect of this opinion, I can't tell you to.  I would refer you
>to my earlier post about tolerance to let you know how I feel about the
>subject.  I find it much easier to, at the very least, respect other opinions
>and viewpoints, even if I don't agree with them.

        If it's simply a matter of opinion, yes.

>       After all, what harm could it do to you?  If you are secure in your
>faith, than Joseph Campbell cannot shake it loose.

        I was referring to a fellow whose faith wasn't secure and the laxity
        of his pastor.

        "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
         Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
         great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
         They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
         (2 Tim. 4:3-5)
>
>Love and good walking,
>
>Tom Witherspoon
>
>78witherspoo@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu

Regards,
Steve Hoell             seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:14:34 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: Direct Revelation

Thanks Marty, My technical english is still bad :-)

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:52:49 -0600
From:         Vernon Galloway <gallowav@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Is the Bible Absolute Truth?

In Message Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:26:59 -0500,
  "j.b. cormier" <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET> writes:

>With regards to this:
>
>For the word of God is living and active.  Sharper than any double-edged sword,
> it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;  it judges
> the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  -- Heb 4:12
>
>I still ask how can this argument count since over half the Bible as we
>know it wasn't written or accepted as Scripture at the time
>Hebrews was written?
>
>Jason

Jason   Your arguement doesn't hold when we remember that time as humans see
it doesn't exist for God.  In effect, all scripture was written before the
first human was created.  "In the beginning was the word ..."  I believe
that the word was not only the person of Christ, but everything about
Christ.  I know it's difficult to accept things that are beyond human
experience, but God is not so linited as we are.

I am sorry I won't be able to respond to any further discussion of this, but
I will be away the rest of the week and am setting no mail this afternoon.

Vernon


Vernon Galloway
Gettysburg College
MicroComputer Technician
gallowav@gettysburg.edu
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dahran)
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Subject: Benny Hinn
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:56:42 GMT
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I don't know if Adam could fly, but I know a woman who stood (stands) on
the moon.

What ever he did before the fall, he did it with his eyes closed.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:27:52 -0500
From:         Tom Ford <tford@NEPTUNE.CONVEX.COM>
Subject:      RE: Territorial Spirits (Wink, etc.)
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There are some other resources on this and related subjects.  I heard
Cindy Jacobs speaking on this, and she has written a book that I think
is called "Possessing the Gates of the Enemy".  Francis Frangepane (sp?)
has also written books on spiritual warefare.

Tom Ford
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 08:38:06 CDT
From: Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: Beggars

Rather than giving a beggar money, why not carry McDonald's
food coupons and give the person a few?  That way, you
know they can't spend the money on booze, and perhaps they'd
get a meal they need.

You might also warn your friend that giving people money
on the street has the possibility of someone grabbing
your wallet out of your hand and running away with it. Its
happened here.
%-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-%=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-%
Kimberly J. Laird
 *University of Illinois-Chicago
   *BITNET:U30993@UICVM//INTERNET:U30993@UICVM.UIC.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:25:06 CDT
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Questions for educators at home

> Dear listmembers that are involved in education at home (or interested in this
>
> Many thanks to those that respond.  In order not to fill disk space for all
> the listmembers, private e-mail is preferred.
>
> Grace and peace,
>
>                 Renee Autry (SRAutry@Samford)


I would like to know the answer's to Renee's questions too.



   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst  in  Dallas - Texas
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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: Environmentalism
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:34:04 GMT
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Dear Glen, I hope I got that "to" line ok.  Well, maybe things are getting bett
er.  I remember the Jesus people movement back in the late 60's and early 70's.
They were into alternatives too.  At that time, as you probably know, a lot of
people were brought into the Kingdom and a lot of people were taken into what
later was called the New Age movement.
     I know there is a lot of wierdness out there.  Maybe this is just a reacti
on to the gross materialism and scientism of recent times.  Actually, this may
be God at work bringing you the opportunity to provide the Heavenly Myrrh (Chri
st) to those who like to burn insense.  Maybe you can show those who like to
wear crystals, how Christ will give them a "white stone" and tell them about
a place that is paved with a crystal sea.  To those who like to wear braids,
you can talk about Samson, and how he wore his hair in 7 braids which represent
the seven fold spirit of God.
     To those who are concerned with the earth you can talk about how when
Christ's body was broken on the cross, the earth also was torn by an earthquake
... Christ is intimately involved with the earth. He took upon Himself a body
like ours, made of this earth....
     Look to see what God is doing, and then pray that He will allow and enable
you to cooperate with Him...
                                   He is in harmony with the Father, let's be
                                   too.  Converge with Him!   Peace, Zane.
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: Amen amen
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:54:11 GMT
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Amen.  That was a very nice explanation of how "amen" is used.  Yes Nic,
get back in there in your true mother... she is above and she is free.
Let her birth you and let El Shaddai, the breasted One nurse you with
the pure milk.
                                                  Peace in Him, Zane.
From: f_griffith@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
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Subject: families in the Bible
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:17:09 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

sSomeone said "there is no place in the Bible where the word 
family is used."

In my concordamce (KJ) I counted 123 uses of "family" and 162 uses
of "families" in the Bible.

                         Reynolds
  
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:00:02 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      temporary radio silence

Hi all:

Due to having to get the small group bible study ready, preparing for
fall rush at the store, trying to get my questionnaire mailed out,
and having been in no small way humbled by the recent statistics
offered here, I have decided to increase the time I spend seeking the
Lord and decrease the amount of time I spend typing.

Therefore, though I will be reading my mail, I will not be participating
in discussion, until I feel the Lord calling me to do so.

Those who are corresponding with me privately (or would like to) know
how to reach me, and I will be responding to them.

I would like to ask for your prayers as I seek to know the Lord more
closely during the next few weeks (or months).  I strongly feel that
there is a time to speak and a time to listen, and now is my time to
listen.  I ask also for your prayers that the Lord may use this time
to open my eyes, my spirit, and my heart, to whatever plans He has
for me.  Much in my life has changed lately, and I feel something
new and important is beginning.  I seek to prepare myself to be a
better servant in this new season, whether the changes seem for good
or ill to me.  Please pray for me, and know that I am praying for you.

Love INC,
         ---Kerry
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:13:34 CDT
From:         Jesse Irwin Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Jesus ... OR Pope?

Dear All on Christia ;

This is a short post on what I call the "bottom line."
I am referring to the Gospel ; also, my subject heading will be made clear
shortly.

The idea that I am concerned is ULTIMATE loyalty.
A true Christian has only one ultimate loyalty and that is to Christ and Christ
alone ... not Christ AND the Church ... or Christ AND the Pontifex Maximus in
Rome, and so forth.

From what I see in the Gospel, there can be NO divided loyalties between Christ
and ANYONE else.
So, what IS this Gospel that precludes multifarious loyalties?

The Gospel is simply this :

Man is in a state of bent toward sin from the time of conception and this has
been extant from Adam's Fall in Eden.
Man has inherited TWO things : 1) Adam's guilt ; and 2) a propensity toward
sinfullness.
So devestatingly pervasive is the Fall upon Mankind that no man, according to
Paul in Romans 3; 6; 8, NO man can nor WILL seek after God without Divine
intervention.
Romans 5 describes us as "powerless."

Now, in our powerless and depraved condition, what can be done to save us
from eternal Hell?  A substitute has to come in and do for us what we could
not do.
Jesus Christ did just that.  He satisfied the justice of the Father by being
a sin substitute for all those whose sins were imputed Himself.
By bearing the sins of these people, He propitiated the wrath of the Father
and reconciled THEM to God the Father with whom emnity had been the former
state of things due to our sins.
Jesus took our sins, and imputed His righteousness to our accounts.  None of
our so called "good works" could make any difference here, due to our imperfect
sinful natures.
So, God made a people righteous in a substitute, apart from any good works
of their own.

Now, what is the issue here?
What I just stated is what every true Christian believes, even if they do not
employ some of the precise terms which I use.
Nevertheless, our alliegence is to Jesus Christ and Him alone.
We are to love the true church ... those who are true believers ... and love
our overseers, elders, and deacons, etc.  However, our LOYALTY is to Christ and
to Him alone, for it is HE who saved us ... not the CHURCH, nor any church
LEADER.

Some say that that we should have alliegence to the Pontifex Maximus in Rome.
I say that we owe alliegence ALONE to Christ.
John Paul II is but a man.
Mary was but a woman who was chosen to bear Christ into the world.
The Gospel precludes alliegence to any but Him who saves and that is Christ and
Christ alone ... not Christ AND ...





Jesse Carnes
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