From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Salamander~)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.fnord-l
Subject: Re: All Fnordians are Pluralists
Keywords: H760
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:19:26 GMT
Organization: UB

cheating@ccvm.sunysb.edu (queue cue) writes:

>*Sigh*.  I suppose, after all, FNORD-L isn't rilly the proper place
>to initiate a discussion, is it?  Salamander, would you be so kind
>as to post yet once again the address for the extropians discussion
>group -- yes, I could look it up, but imagine you have the information
>readily available and also imagine others might wish to show up too.

	I'm including the address and recently-posted "official
informal ExI rules for the extropians list" at the end of this post...

>  A friend recently ran screaming from the area,
>after coming from the East Coast, to Europe, Paris; he's now ready
>to run screaming from that ever-popular bustling center of activity.

	Well, you gotta run screaming from _somewhere_...Buffalo's my
first choice right now...

Sal~

[illicitly cross-posted message from extropians follows...]

From habs@panix.com Fri Aug  7 13:18:41 1992
To: Extropians@gnu.ai.mit.edu
From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)
Subject: (META) List Rules - Informal
X-Original-To: extropians@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Harry Shapiro)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 92 9:49:58 EDT
X-Extropian-Date: Remailed on August 7, 372 P.N.O. [14:01:33 UTC]
Reply-To: Extropians@gnu.ai.mit.edu

This is the informal rules for the list. A Formal list code is
still being voted on by the ExI board.
________________________

To keep the extropian mailing list very high quality, we ask that you
read this message and follow its policies.

This list was created for the many people actively engaged in building
a future based on Extropian ideas.  It is a place where they can
discuss plans, ideas, discoveries, and where they can cooperate with
and inspire each other.  Extropian topics and activity include:

Personal Freedom: 
  anarchocapitalist politics, free-market economics, cryptography,
  privacy, digital cash, electronic communication

Spontaneous Orders:
  memetics, incentive engineering, evolution, idea-futures, 
  neural-nets, artificial life

Intelligence Enhancement: 
  critical thinking, information filtering, computer-based tools:
  smart drugs, brain-computer integration.

Life Extension:
  Anti-aging techniques and theory, nutrition, cryonics.

Future Technology:
  nanotechnology, communication technology, space habitation,
  artificial intelligence, uploading

If these topics seem naturally related and mutually consistent, you
might already be an Extropian.  

This is a list of busy and productive people cooperating to build a
future that is very important to them.  The policies below encourage
a focus on Extropian topics, and an atmosphere of courtesy to inspire
cooperation.  They are an important part of this list.

* No public flames.  Period.  This is a professional place, and you
might have to live with these people for a *long* time :-)

* Keep to the topics.  Anything can be related, but if it's not
obvious, explain how.  Possible declines in investments are of far
more interest when you are concerned about your finances while
cryonically suspended rather than just kvetching about the economy
:-).  Messages about religion are welcome when they discuss something
like the meme structures and ways to provide them in an atheist and
scientific outlook.  Tie it back to the topics.

* Respond privately to messages that are: off-topic, flames, me-too
messages, meta-messages, etc.  A public response to one of those is
just as much noise as the original message, and consumes the time of
over a hundred busy people.  If you're response is not worth that
time, or someone else said something similar, relax and enjoy (don't
post "me-too" messages).  Keep private message polite as well.

* Don't debate the basics.  This list is for planning and ideas beyond
the basics, not to revisit them with everyone who disagrees.  Feel
free to have such debates *privately* however :-)  Again, respond to
such message privately.

* Respond privately to requests for information.  The requestor should
summarize if the topic is of general interest.  This is just to keep
the volume down, not to discourage questions!

* Don't copy more than necessary from previous postings.  Many people
have limited space in their mailboxes.

* Put "Meta:" in the title of messages that discuss the operation and
policies of the list (rather than the topics above).  Avoid such
messages if you can.  Respond to them privately.

* Remember that many people on this list are extremely intelligent,
extremely busy, and extremely committed people who are here to
cooperate.  Be not just polite, but actively inviting in your respect
for other people's thoughts.  Many off-hand comments come off as
assumptions because we've had the discussion before.  Assume the best,
and just ask.  We can recommend much better targets if you'd rather be
disruptive :-)

* Be thorough.  If you claim something, be reliable.

* Lurkers are welcome.  Lurking will help newcomers participate in
existing conversations rather than derailing them.  It will also help
them decide whether to participate in the culture of the list or opt
out. 

* Send private mail to individuals, especially to appreciate a clever
idea, or encourage them to finish something.  Positive reinforcement
is a wonderful motivator.  The world is a positive-sum game!

* Enjoy!  

   "Here's to the future we will create, no matter what!"
				-- Marc Stiegler

Thank you for your cooperation.

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Dean Tribble		Extropians Steering Committee
Max More		Executive Director, Extropy Institute (ExI)
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