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From: geissler@angelika.uucp (Norbert Geissler)
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Organization: SNI AP 154
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 08:50:14 GMT

In article <Bt932y.C64@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dwight@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dwight Robert Stone) writes:
>nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash) writes:
>
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>8 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>7 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>6 | *P |    |    |    |    |    | *K | *P |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>5 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>4 |  P |    | *B |    |    |    |    | *P |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>3 |  B |    |    |    |    |  K |    |    |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>2 |    |    | *P | *B |    |    |    |    |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>1 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
>>  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
>>    a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h    
>
>
>>This is the position just before c2c1B. My guess as to why GNUchess did this is  
>>because its evaluation function "reasoned" that it was better to go with 3  
>>bishops against 1 than 2 against 1. If the pawn would have promoted to a queen,  
>>no doubt it would have been taken by the bishop on a3. As the game went, the  
>>white bishop moved away.
>
>>Sound plausable? Sound like something a silly machine would do?
>
>	This seems more to me like something a silly machine would do.  When
>you are up by this many peices it is almost always beneficial to trade away
>peices.  Besides, if the bishop on a3 took the queen it would not be 2 against
>1, it would be 2 against 0 after the bishop at d2 took the bishop at a3 (now
>c1).  This would leave GNU chess with a white and black bishop and 3 pawns
>(with the pawn in row a ready for easy promotion after the removal of the
>opponent's pawn which would not be able to be prevented by the king (sitting
>all the way over in f column).  Besides, two bishops (of opposite colors) and
>a king vs. a king is a workable mate solution.

GNU CHESS is moving here exactly like would have moved in a real tournament,
perhaps I would have promoted even to a Knight, whoever the opponent would
have been. It's a great psychological move which tells the opponent that
it's time to resign. 
In my personal practice, it worked every time.

>	As an aside question, is it a workable mate if you have two bishops
>of the same color and a king vs. a king?
>
Of course, NOT !

--- Norbert
Norbert Geissler, SIEMENS-NIXDORF AG, SNI AP 154, Munich, Germany
E-MAIL: norbert.geissler@sniap.mchp.sni.de   
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the ardour of a lover, the humility of a disciple.  (Herbert Russel Wakefield)
From: engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:21:02 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen

In article <9208170054.AA02933@wheat-chex>, cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart
Cracraft) writes:

>       NOW              GNU 3.1
>       White    (time)    Black    (time)
>  51)  b2a3     6:51     c2c1B    2:28

Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
able to do the job...

            --- Allan
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From: md85-epi@byse.nada.kth.se (Urban Koistinen)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess, pl 56 and Xboard, pl 22 available
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:53:31 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <1992Aug11.222649.23244@phx.mcd.mot.com> davidws@phx.mcd.mot.com (David Seidner) writes:
} >On prep, via anonymous ftp, in gnuchess-4.0.pl56.tar.Z
} >and xboard-2.0.pl22.tar.Z:
}
} I'm new to this group, so could someone tell me what "On prep" means.
} I would like to get a copy of Xboard (and the latest GNU Chess), but
} I guess I'm too dumb to follow these simple instructions.
}
} David
Boy, are you stupid :-)
Don't you know of prep.ai.mit.edu?
Here is what to do:

 ftp prep.ai.mit.edu
 logon: anonymous
 password: <your email adress>
 cd pub/gnu
 tenex
 get gnuchess-4.0.pl56.tar.Z
 quit

Simple enough?

I have no ivory tower, only a clock tower :-(
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From: rbm2273@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.B. Mead )
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 22 Aug 92 10:46:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultb.1992Aug22.104620.1461
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: rbm2273@ultb

In article <1992Aug19.142102.982@nbivax.nbi.dk> engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk writes:
>In article <9208170054.AA02933@wheat-chex>, cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart
>Cracraft) writes:
>
>>       NOW              GNU 3.1
>>       White    (time)    Black    (time)
>>  51)  b2a3     6:51     c2c1B    2:28
>
>Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
>able to do the job...
>

When the queen would result in a STALEMATE and you'd rather have
+1 than 1/2!

Regards.
From: engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:27:58 GMT
Organization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen

In article <1992Aug19.203154.9226@visus.com>, nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
writes:

[...]
> This is the position just before c2c1B. My guess as to why GNUchess did this
> is  
> because its evaluation function "reasoned" that it was better to go with 3  
> bishops against 1 than 2 against 1. If the pawn would have promoted to a

Should be "than 2 against 0", of course.

> queen,  
> no doubt it would have been taken by the bishop on a3. As the game went, the  
> white bishop moved away.
> 
> Sound plausable? Sound like something a silly machine would do?

Yes, it sounds plausible (this was also the suggestion of another poster.) And
it sounds like something only a silly machine would do. I wonder what made GNU
do this. GNU is clearly ahead and even GNU should have no problems in
converting the h-pawns to one (or even two) queens. I'd say get rid of the
Bishop. (Actually I think I would have pushed the h-pawns if I had sufficient
time. If low on time then just c2c1Q, BxQ, BxB)

            --- Allan.

Internet:     Allan.Engelhardt@nbi.dk        |  Allan Engelhardt
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: pedersen@seas.smu.edu (Ted Pedersen)
Subject: Knight's Tour
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: rec.games.chess gnu.chess comp.theory 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:49:32 GMT

I realize this might be just a little off the topic (but hopefully not too
much). I would very much like to find some source code for the Knight's Tour
problem. This is the problem where you have a lone knight on a chess board and 
the goal is to have your knight visit all of the squares on the board and 
return to his starting place without visiting any square twice. 

I would especially be interested in C source code that solves our knight's
dilema, either from an ftp site, book, etc.        

If anyone knows of any repositories of source code to solve these sorts of
problems (Knights Tour, N-Queens problem, etc.) I would appreciate any tips. 
I generally enjoy these sorts of computing problems so anyone who knows of 
any interesting variations on the Knight's Tour or N-Queens problem etc. 
I would sure like to hear about them. 

Ted Pedersen
From: tomc@siesoft.co.uk (Tom Crossland)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: tomc@siesoft.co.uk
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.

engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk writes:

: Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
: able to do the job...

Unless it was going to be taken immediately after ;-)
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:57:01 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: gnu

engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk writes:

>cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft) writes:

>>       NOW              GNU 3.1
>>       White    (time)    Black    (time)
>>  51)  b2a3     6:51     c2c1B    2:28

>Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
>able to do the job...


In the case that a promotion to queen would have caused a stalemate (not that
this was the case here), or that a stalemate was forcable later in the game
(which could have been the case here, considering how down White was).

Besides, I thought the idea of chess was to win, not to BLITZ.  GNUchess might
have felt sorry for the opponent :-)


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From: phs@imag.fr (Philippe Schnoebelen)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess,rec.games.chess
Subject: Promoting to a B (was: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney)
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:44:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.chess
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France

In article <Bt8zKE.FwH@news.larc.nasa.gov> goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich) writes:

>|> Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
>|> able to do the job...
>|> 
>
>One reason would be to lessen the inducement for the opponent to capture
>it ...

There exist situations where the best move is to promote to a Bishop. E.g.,
if you promote to a Queen, the opponent can force you to stalemate him,
which he cannot do if you only have a Bishop. 

Less than ten years ago, a Russian problem composer finally succeeded into
producing a situation displaying the famous Babson task. This was first
published in Themes-64. In the position white can mate in five by allowing,
after his first move, black to promote a given pawn into either Q, R, B, or
N. These four defenses by black can only be overcome by promoting a given
white pawn into Q, R, B, or N, strictly according to what Black played.
Therefore, in four very similar same situations, the (only) best move is to
promote a pawn into any of the four different men.

Sorry I don't remember the composer name but I can post more info
(including the position) if people are interested.

--Philippe
From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess wins London computer chess tourney
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:31:54 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <1992Aug19.142102.982@nbivax.nbi.dk> engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk  
writes:
> In article <9208170054.AA02933@wheat-chex>, cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart
> Cracraft) writes:
> 
> >       NOW              GNU 3.1
> >       White    (time)    Black    (time)
> >  51)  b2a3     6:51     c2c1B    2:28
> 
> Why would anybody *ever* promote a pawn to a bishop?????? A queen should be
> able to do the job...
> 
>             --- Allan
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  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
8 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
7 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
6 | *P |    |    |    |    |    | *K | *P |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
5 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
4 |  P |    | *B |    |    |    |    | *P |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
3 |  B |    |    |    |    |  K |    |    |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
2 |    |    | *P | *B |    |    |    |    |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
1 |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |    |
  +----+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+
    a    b    c    d    e    f    g    h    


This is the position just before c2c1B. My guess as to why GNUchess did this is  
because its evaluation function "reasoned" that it was better to go with 3  
bishops against 1 than 2 against 1. If the pawn would have promoted to a queen,  
no doubt it would have been taken by the bishop on a3. As the game went, the  
white bishop moved away.

Sound plausable? Sound like something a silly machine would do?

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Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Subject: GNU Chess patchlevel 57
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:02:27 GMT

GNU Chess patchlevel 57 has been placed on prep.ai.mit.edu
(18.71.0.38) in pub/gnu/gnuchess-4.0.pl57.tar.Z. The changes
to this version (from the ChangeLog) are listed below. 

GNU Chess:

Fri Aug 14 Patchlevel 57 Ben Hurwitz (bug fixes) Thierry Leconte (book)
	* Both/force interaction improved.
	* Bug fix to possibles declaration and OR of move with BADMOVE
	* Work better with GM John Nunn book (take care of order of
	  lines, don't null the book for at least 3 moves after taken out
	  of book, no random opening)
	* Removed exit of program when drawn game detected.
	* Fixed bug that caused program to make 1-move blunders.
	  (transposition table caused return 0 when position seen before
	   to detect draw which then gets a depth bonus since search
	   is inexact so it ends up looking better to make a repetition
	   than making a winning 1-mover!)
From: davidws@phx.mcd.mot.com (David Seidner)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: GNU Chess, pl 56 and Xboard, pl 22 available
Date: 11 Aug 92 22:26:49 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.

>On prep, via anonymous ftp, in gnuchess-4.0.pl56.tar.Z
>and xboard-2.0.pl22.tar.Z:

I'm new to this group, so could someone tell me what "On prep" means.
I would like to get a copy of Xboard (and the latest GNU Chess), but
I guess I'm too dumb to follow these simple instructions.

David
From: hollis@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Test
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:44:28 GMT
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

Greetings and Salutations:

Talk to me.
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Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: scout@host.city (Ilene Marks)
Subject: Re: Test
Organization: who.cares
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:38:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.170607.18592@picker.com> gaeta@picker.com (Jay Gaeta) writes:

> Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
> Path: nsisrv!ukma!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!picker!gaeta
> From: gaeta@picker.com (Jay Gaeta)
> Organization: Picker International, Inc.
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:06:07 GMT
> Lines: 1

> A test, just a test.  Please ignore.

just testing follow-up. Ignore
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From: ebers@gfxbase.uucp (Thorsten Ebers)
Subject: Test Gfxbase Cnews
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:26:17 GMT
Organization: private
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

slkhglsfh
fhj
fhg


This is just a test.
From: gbush@airforce1.gov
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: TEST
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:53:14 GMT
Organization: test
Originator: gbush
X-Newsreader: Hrn (hacked rn) v1.00
X-President: my buddy Ron


Testing, testing... hey is this thing on ??
Barb, get that damn dog off my leg !!!
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From: ebers@gfxbase.uucp (Thorsten Ebers)
Subject: Test Gfxbase Cnews
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:13:12 GMT
Organization: private
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Test 2000002430035

mkfgkjkdfkn


:wq
^
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: scout@any.city (Ilene Marks)
Subject: Re: Test
Organization: are.you.kidding
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:52:08 GMT

In article <SCOUT.92Aug12153856@rs733.zoo.pandas.com> scout@host.city (Ilene Marks) writes:

> Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
> Path: nsisrv!nntp.state!scout
> From: scout@host.city (Ilene Marks)
> Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet)
> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs733.gsfc.nasa.gov
> Organization: who.cares
> References: <1992Aug11.170607.18592@picker.com>
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:38:56 GMT

> (Jay Gaeta) writes:

> > Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
> > Path: nsisrv!ukma!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!picker!gaeta
> > From: gaeta@picker.com (Jay Gaeta)
> > Organization: Picker International, Inc.
> > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 17:06:07 GMT
> > Lines: 1

> > A test, just a test.  Please ignore.

> just testing follow-up. Ignore

ditto
From: chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Re: Test
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:19:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA

Test #2

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From: ruca@pinkie.saber-si.pt (Rui Sousa)
Subject: test
Organization: SABER - Sistemas de Informacao, Lda.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:28:27 GMT

This a test (again... yawn)...

Rui Sousa
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                All opinions expressed here are strictly my own
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From: ebers@gfxbase.uucp (Thorsten Ebers)
Subject: test Cnews
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:09:47 GMT
Organization: private
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

This is the test 2000 of gfxbase.in-berlin.de

Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: Apple loses "look and feel" lawsuit (forwarded)
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:06:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.002205.20225@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> edguer@ces.cwru.edu (Aydin Edguer) writes:
>The FSF is boycotting Apple by not including Apple support in its releases
>of GNU software.  The FSF supports the LPF position on Apple and thus
>is one of many organizations to deny aid to "the enemy".

I'd like to mention that I am also boycotting both Apple and Lotus, for the
same reasons that the LPF urges them to be boycotted.  I also rant and rave
about the evilness of both Apple and Lotus in a lot of fora, including at work
and among several groups of people I communicate with.

I find the practices of a lot of companies to be shady or undesirable; I
think that the actions of Lotus and Apple are evil, and I will never
purchase anything from either of them until they take steps to correct that.

-- 
Sean Eric Fagan  | "You can't get lost in in one room, no matter how
sef@kithrup.COM  |  little effort you make to learn your way around."
-----------------+    -- William E Davidsen (william@crd.GE.COM)
Any opinions expressed are my own, and generally unpopular with others.
From: keith@aisg.COM (Keith B. Kee {AISG} )
Subject: rmailsort.el
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:33:00 GMT

Hi:
	I have just acquired the rmailsort.el for my gnu emacs. The 
rmail-sort-by-subject crashes emacs when the RMAIL file is huge. Also,
the rmail-sort-by-date can't find "timezone" error is returned.

	Are there files that I have to acquire besides rmailsort.el?


Keith
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: bruno@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Bruno Hall)
Subject: Re: Latest Version of GNUPLOT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:56:28 GMT

WZAP@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de writes:

>please tell me, what is the latest version of GNUPLOT. We are
>actually using GNUPLOT 3.0 patchlevel 1.

My version reports this:

        G N U P L O T
        unix version 3.2
        patchlevel 2, Mar 24 92
        last modified Sat Mar 24 21:08:47 PST 1992

--->  Has anyone managed to get the "clear" command to work in
this version?  On both the Suns and on my i486-SVR4 machine "clear"
does nothing.  Strikes me as strange, particularly since in 3.0 pl 1
it works just fine.

Bruno
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Apple loses "look and feel" lawsuit (forwarded)
Date: 14 Aug 1992 22:47:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.) writes:

> ... Apple has always been VERY concerned about public image (and even
> concerned enough to GIVE AWAY the designs that allow them to
> manufacture PC boards without using CFCs -- which brings up another
> question, what is more important, environmental concern, or
> intellectual PCness).

Well, I know that I'd much rather have free software and malignant
melanoma than pay for software and not worry about getting a
freuqnetly-fatal skin cancer.

Granted, Apple could do both, but I think I know which one is more
important.

David Chase
Sun

Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: sef@kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Subject: Re: [misc.int-property] Re: Apple loses "look and feel" lawsuit (forwarded)
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:10:02 GMT

In article <PCG.92Aug14175742@aberdb.aber.ac.uk> pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:
>Which brings back my idea that perhaps the LPF could use the patent
>system to develop a strong "free" patents portfolio to be cross licensed
>only in exchange for public access to other companies' patent
>portfolios.

Given that software patents (unfortunately) exist right now, I find nothing
wrong with getting some in an effort to defend yourself against future
litigation or licensing problems.  RMS shouldn't, either, as it's very
similar to what he did with the GPL.

I would much rather not have software patents around, however.  I do think
they are a tremendously stupid and poorly-thought-out idea.

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From: cherniac@bbn.com (Natasha Cherniack)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: WANTED: Information on indexing man pages
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:53:16 GMT
Organization: BBN Systems and Technology, Inc.

Does anyone know of any software that can run on Sun workstations (3, 4) 
running SunOS that provide indexing capabilites?  In particular, I'm interested
in finding out about any existig automated mechanisms for creating reasonable 
indices from UNIX manual pages.  In the past, I have used UNIX's ptx in
conjunction with awk and yacc but I've encountered some problems when the 
things that are being indexed exceed a certain length.  Please email.

Thanks

Natasha Cherniack
cherniac@bbn.com