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From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:16:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.174919.11211@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
> >	"IMHO, the Seca II is one of the ugliest bikes ever built, and
> >	it achieves that ugli-ness without the detriment of neon.  Yuck!"

No no, the Yamaha TDM850 is the ugliest bike ever built. :)

> Okay, okay!  It was me.  Am I the only person on earth who thinks
> this bike is butt ugly while Il Monstro is pretty?  Maybe I should
> just move to Italy.

I like the Seca.  I find the Hawk, on the other hand, to look squat and
unattractive.  I'll admit its a great machine, but its looks leave a
great deal to be desired.

The Monstro is just plain fucking gorgeous.

> >no woman in her right mind would have designed an engine that smooth
> >(i.e., sans vibration) to go with a gas tank that perfectly shaped
> >and placed....
> 
> Puhleeeease.  Motorcycle vibrations are grossly overrated as related
> to...umm...female sexual urges. 

I second that.  Even with the appropriately placed piercings, the
vibrations are never anything to write home about.  So there.






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From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves (Was: Re: Attn all riders!!!)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:22:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailwood.asd.sgi.com

georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) says:
> I understand Goretex isn't
> quite waterproof for motorcycling due to the force with which water hits a
> rider, but for my half hour or less commutes, my hands have been quite dry.

Not my experience.... my GoreTex riding suit has stood up to day-long
driving rain several times without leaking a single drop. This is in 
conditions where even my top-quality rain suit would typically have
leaked a bit.

....paul

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From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Time to find a frame shop and replace forks...
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:35:09 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <JET.92Dec24131304@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>New Frame: ~$1200 from Honda.
>New Fork assembly: ~$800 from Honda.
>
>See why I want to straighten them? :-)

  Indeed.  As another point of data, the estimate on fixing my FZR400 frame
was around $600 and a new one from the dealer was $740 (with a racer
discount).  

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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Winter Gloves (Was: Re: Attn all riders!!!)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.035142.9426@dumbcat.sf.ca.us> marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman) writes:

>On the subject of Motorcycles, my winter gloves have worn through after three
>years so my wife gets to get me a Christmas/Birthday present.  They were a
>combination leather/gortex that kept the fingers mostly dry in the wet stuff.
>Anybody see anything like them?

     I bought a pair of Olympias last winter at Cycle Gear.  They have soft
leather and a Gortex liner.  They're pretty bulky, with lots of insulation.
Nice long gauntlets secured by velcro straps.  I understand Goretex isn't
quite waterproof for motorcycling due to the force with which water hits a
rider, but for my half hour or less commutes, my hands have been quite dry.

     My main complaint is bulk and cost.  I don't quite need that much
insulation for California, and wouldn't mind a little more dexterity.  The
gloves, what with Mssr. Gore's royalties, ran me $80 (I think) a year ago.

							George


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From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:29:21 EST


bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
|> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> >And, yes, Anonymous NetPerson (you know who you are), I really like
|> >the way the Seca II looks, and could not disagree more with your:
|> >
|> >	"IMHO, the Seca II is one of the ugliest bikes ever built, and
|> >	it achieves that ugli-ness without the detriment of neon.  Yuck!"
|> >
|> Okay, okay!  It was me.  Am I the only person on earth who thinks
|> this bike is butt ugly while Il Monstro is pretty?  Maybe I should
|> just move to Italy.

Nope, I think it's pretty darn fugly too.

Comparatively, the Suzuki Bandit (and the GS550) are pretty keen. So is the
Honda CB-1. Too bad all the manufacturers (besides Ducati, apparently) seem to
be convinced that nobody looking for a bigger sporty-type bike would possibly
want it un-fully-faired. Phooey.

I just hope they give Il Monstro a wet clutch.

Dan
From: marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter Gloves (Was: Re: Attn all riders!!!)
Date: 25 Dec 92 01:27:33 GMT
Organization: MSH Software, Hayward, CA

In message <1992Dec22.181212.26715@hspice.portal.com>
georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) says:
>
>      I bought a pair of Olympias last winter at Cycle Gear.  They have soft
> leather and a Gortex liner.  They're pretty bulky, with lots of insulation.
> Nice long gauntlets secured by velcro straps.  I understand Goretex isn't
> quite waterproof for motorcycling due to the force with which water hits a
> rider, but for my half hour or less commutes, my hands have been quite dry.

Thanks for the pointer.  I've heard the rumor (urban legend?) that gortex
loses its water repellent properties at someplace around 45 MPH.  However, I
ride a R80RT and the hands are behind the fairing -- hasn't been a problem
these last few years.  Or maybe it's been the lack of rain these last few
years :-)

>      My main complaint is bulk and cost.  I don't quite need that much
> insulation for California, and wouldn't mind a little more dexterity.

I don't know what the temperature between Hayward and Alameda was at 5:00 AM
this morning, but it sure felt COLD!

In message  <ednq02xd2f.W01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) says:
> I guess it just depends on the quality of product. I have been riding 
> with Goretex for years (I got a jacket when they FIRST came out, when 
> NOONE made Goretex with FACTORY sealed seems!!) I have ridden > 8 hours 
> in steady rain MANY TIMES, and have never had a problem with leakage. 
> Personally, I LOVE the stuff, and I have worn it a lot.

and in message <1h7telINNluj@fido.asd.sgi.com>
spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) says
> Not my experience.... my GoreTex riding suit has stood up to day-long
> driving rain several times without leaking a single drop. This is in 
> conditions where even my top-quality rain suit would typically have
> leaked a bit.

Behind a fairing or out in the open?  I've used both the Rukka and BMW rain
suits and have only had problems in the crotch.  Just an Idle question as I've
probably got a season or three left on my current suit.

// marc
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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Cleaning Motorcycle Goop With Lemons
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:14:51 GMT

So what are you saying, if I have a side car rig I have
to carry a couple of watermelons come wash down time :-).
I would be cautions of the acid contained in citrus fruits
when it comes to painted or finished wheels. I have always
been gun shy when cleaning my nebula gold wheels on my
midnite, lucky for me shaft drive does not "deposit" alot
of spooge back there. I did have alot of trouble getting the
deer hairs out the cooling fins along with other assorted
pieces of meat, nothing like smelling like a "burned hair
barbecue" at 55mph. NOw with a little lemon odor I could have
impersonated that "lemon beef" dish they serve at Hunan
Chinese restraunts.
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.143449.10635@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.054343.1274@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>The following article is aimed at a large group of questioners. I am fully
>>aware that the particular person quoted appears to be posting from Texas,
>>although why a Texan is getting ba.* groups, much less posting to one, is
>>beyond me.
>>
>
>	You got sumpin agin Texins boy?

As we used to say at Texes Tech, "It looks GREAT in the rear-view mirror!"

(Of course, if you lived near Austin, this didn't apply. Obmoto: Austin, Texas)

Mike
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:35:08 GMT
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec22.174919.11211@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com
(Beth Dixon) writes:
>Okay, okay!  It was me.  Am I the only person on earth who thinks
>this bike [Seca II ] is butt ugly while Il Monstro is pretty?

No, you're not.

The fairing on the Seca II looks like it was drawn by
the same designer who did the original Chevy II and the
Chevette.  The whole bike looks like a four-inch-long
plastic model blown back up to full size.
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Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Help, my motorcycle stopped working
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:05:35 GMT

In article <MGSMITH.92Dec16081721@hpl.hp.com> mgsmith@hpl.hp.com (Michael Smith) writes:

>[ . . . ] I went down to the garage to start it up
>and it was leaking a bit of gas.  It had done this about 6 months
>ago so I wasn't too suprised.  You see, it is a '78 GS850 that had
>been sitting in someones garage for years and when I bought it, there 
>was a bunch of crud in the gas tank and carburetor.  This caused the
>thing to leak gas (overflow from carburetor) so I cleaned gas tank,
>petcock, and carburetor (several times).
>
>Anyways, this time I start up the motorcycle and it starts up great,
>much better than usual.  Immediately it has power whereas usually it
>is a dog until it warms up.  I get on and ride a mile or two and it
>starts to run funny just at the point when I usually put in the choke
>because it is running ok.  The symptoms are: it runs rough, stalls at
>idle, very limited power, and even smells kind of peculiar.
>
>It sounds to me like something in the carburetor is causing the beast
>to run very rich.  Does this make sense to those out there who have more
>experience than I?  If so, what could cause this and what should I look
>for when I take apart the carburetor?

     If the gas is coming from the float bowl overflow (of the carb), you
have two problems.  First, the needle float valve is leaking, ie. stuck
open.  Probably, a lump of some of that crud managed to lodge itself between
the needle and the seat.  This would also account for the rich condition,
as the excess gas would slop into the cylinder.

     Also, what kind of petcock do you have?  The bike shouldn't leak when
the engine's off because the petcock is supposed to shutoff the supply.  If
you have a manual petcock and have been shutting it off, or if you have a
vacuum petcock, then your petcock needs work.

     Finally, change your oil.  All that excess gas will run down the
cylinder walls into the oil.  This will substantially compromise the oil's
ability to lubricate.

							George


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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: Anybody know what became of Vetter? Still in business?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:36:19 GMT

robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:

>The subject line says it all; I'm curious about getting parts for my
>Vetter Quicksilver fairing. Someone at a local shop once mumbled
>something about Vetter being out of business. Are they? Where can I
>get parts?

Call (800) 547-8273, Swanee/Pacifico - on their price sheet they mention
a few replacement parts for the Quicksilver, mainly a replacement windshield.

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(510) 656-1902 
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From: buzz@wccf.mit.edu (Sheila Gay Buzzee)
Subject: Bell PROSTAR helmet, size small
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  helmet
Organization: MIT - Whitaker College
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:23:00 GMT

FOR SALE:  Bell ProStar helmet, worn only once
           Manufactured in 1984, still in the box
           Paid $130, will take $65
           size small
           red, black, and white

  I bought the helmet because I liked it in the store, but after I wore it 
once I realized that it was too small.  It's been sitting in the closet for 
two years.  It's really a nice helmet, it is just too small for me.

  buzz@wccf.mit.edu
  617-253-8096
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Winter gas
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:31:11 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:

>No one seems to know how much fuel economy suffers.  Estimates range
>from 1% (EPA) to 27% (Fairbanks, Alaska cab drivers).

Not that anyone asked, but my mileage went down 15% with the new
gas.

Paul
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From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:30:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.201830.4373@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.174919.11211@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>> Puhleeeease.  Motorcycle vibrations are grossly overrated as related
>>> to...umm...female sexual urges. 
>
>Then why do they seem to get so fired up when riding on the back of my
>Triumph? I'm certain it's not my ruggedly handsome good looks.
Maybe its the idea of doing something naughty or out of the main stream.
_My_ grandma never told me "nice girls" dress in leather and ride
motorcycles...and she's fairly open minded for a grandma.

Beth

=================================================================
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1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                    AMA #631903
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================
From: texx@ossi.com ("Texx")
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Help, my motorcycle stopped working
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:45:51 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheops.ossi.com

jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com) writes:

>In article <lj1g5rINNfg7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
>>I would probably just do a rebuild. Get a little basket of carb
>>cleaner (the type you dip things in) and a full set of carb gaskets.

>I found diesel fuel and a toothbrush to be a great despooger, and is not
>nearly as environmentally harmful as carb-dip. 

Sadly the diesel will not clean nearly as well as the witches brew you buy at
the motor suply.  Pray for ecological forgivness and buy the "dip".  It will
clean the carb so much better that the environment will benefit in other
ways.  Diesel is fine for most tasks, but for carbs, nothing beats carb dip.!

-texx
texx@evil.ossi.com

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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: Time to find a frame shop and replace forks...
Organization: QUAD Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:45:26 GMT


I can olny second the recommendation of the Frame Man in Sacramento. I took
both a 600 Hurricane and an RZ350 there and they did great work on both
bikes. Actually, the Hurrican, which I bought new and always had a slight 
wobble at >80mph was completely stable after the frame job.

-- 

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QUAD Systems
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From: eajjs@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.sottile)
Subject: Re: headset radio and riding
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:53:02 GMT

In article <ZOWIE.92Dec13214822@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>
>In article <foo> c60c-3gi@web-3d.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi) writes:
>   i am thinking of buying one of those headset radio which works through 
>   your ear only.  i thought this would be convinient since this would 
>   let me talk with passengers without the expensive radio installation 
>   on my bike and bothersome helmet manupulations.  this would also give  me
>   some portability like talking with other riders (with limited range) and
>   also other times such as skiing.  

I think the most recent issue of DAK has one that works on FM.

I have one hooked to my CB.  I also have a large fairing to block much
of the wind.  I have no problems with mine, but it wasn't
inexpensive.


=============================
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From: kevinb@oblivion.csd.sgi.com (Kevin Brokaw)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Source for UVEX replacment shield
Keywords: shield UVEX
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:58:27 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I have an 8 year old UVEX full-face helmet, which is desperately in 
need of a new shield, but I understand UVEX has either stopped making 
helmets entirely, or no longer markets them in this country (I still
see their ski (and other misc) goggles, so I know they still exist). 
Might anyone know of a supplier that might still have some UVEX replacement
shields? I can't use generic replacements, as the Uvex ones are meant to 
fit inside a hinged plastic frame, and I haven't seen one yet that would
trim properly, maintaining the correct curve to stay in the frame.
Cheers,
Kevin


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From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Winter gas
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:18:50 GMT

In article <76012@apple.apple.COM>, thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
|> robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson) writes:
|> 
|> >No one seems to know how much fuel economy suffers.  Estimates range
|> >from 1% (EPA) to 27% (Fairbanks, Alaska cab drivers).
|> 
|> Not that anyone asked, but my mileage went down 15% with the new
|> gas.

My Sabre went from >45 to ~40 mpg with the change of gas. I'm sure
the longer warm-up time is taking its tole too.


|> Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?


Ummmm..... could you repeat the question?

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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.143449.10635@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
}	You got sumpin agin Texins boy?
}
}-- 
}Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas

Only agin them what lives outside of the general area of Austin,
and especially agin them what works in ugly dusty places just
north of Dallas.

'Course, I'm just jealous of the Plain O folks 'cause they work
so close to Atchafalaya -- I do like them crawdads and beignets!

Obmoto: There is no Obmoto in this posting.
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   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: glaird@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Laird)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:20:04 GMT
Subject: Re: *BAD* Bike Purchase Attempt Experience in California!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles

   I did my good turn.  I called Grand Prix Yamaha and told the sales person
that I read this note.  I also told him to tell his sales manager that 
this kind of short term behavior does have long term consequences.
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Honda Hawk GT is the better bike, but....
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 09:53:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.174919.11211@netcom.com>, bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:

|> >no woman in her right mind would have designed an engine that smooth
|> >(i.e., sans vibration) to go with a gas tank that perfectly shaped
|> >and placed....
|> 
|> Puhleeeease.  Motorcycle vibrations are grossly overrated as related
|> to...umm...female sexual urges.  Trust me on this one.  I'm female
|> and I ride a 4-stroke single.

|> Beth


Funy, my Lady says the opposit..... Likely this forum
is not the correct one to continue the disscussion in,
let's take it to rec.motorcycle.naked-riding.squid.squid.squid

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  Don't bother arguing with drunks or zealots
they're not listening to anyone but themselves.
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