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From: ccx020@cch.coventry.ac.uk (James Nash)
Subject: Re: Cloughie for England Manager?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.141257.26966@bcrka451.bnr.ca> (Richard Moores) writes:
>But seriously, your points about the FA never appointing him are
>depressingly valid. Such short-sightedness is a hallmark of our Lancaster
>gate leaders. God forbid that we could consider having an England manager
>with the nerve to call an England performance as "crap" just because it
>was, never mind criticize the FA itself !!

Two points:

i) Blame Peter Swales - chairman of Man City and the FA international
   committee. Man City haven't won the league since 1968 and England
   haven't won anything since 1966. Swales hates Clough.

ii) Cloughie's "health" is always put as a problem.

Otherwise I wholeheartedly agree.

Jim.
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From: halvard@trd.sdata.no (Halvard Halvorsen)
Subject: Kaare Ingebrigtsen to Man City ?
Organization: Skrivervik Data A/S
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:20:14 GMT


today the sport pages in most norwegian papers are filled with more
speculations on norwegians go abroad.

kaare ingebrigtsen is a 27 year old midfielder. playing for rosenborg bk
- this years double champions in norway. ingebrigtsen is in the (so far)
succesfull national team.

Peter Reid is looking for his own replacement and kaare could be the man.
kaare is indeed a very qualified player - very technical, runs a lot, good
on the defence and he has very good passes and shots. Reid has seen
kaare on at least to ocassions - the national teams fabolous 2-1 win over italy
last summer and our 1-1 'win' against england (which indeed was lucky).

kaare will be in manchester for a week before going to training camp in asia
next week. price mentioned is 400-500 000 GBP.

well good luck to kaare (who is actually a man utd fan!)



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From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Subject: FIFA WORLD INDOOR CUP
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:30:32 GMT

Does anyone know anything about a World Indoor Cup being played at the
present time.  A U.S. Newspaper said the U.S. beat Russia 8-3, yesterday!
Please post more information on this World Indoor Cup!  Thanks!

Miguel


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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: Re: Inter - Stuttgart friendly
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.104553.27548@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>"John J. Lucena" <lucena+@CMU.EDU> writes:

[stuff about milan derby deleted...]

>Well, as an objective person I'd say Milan will win sunday.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>They're just too good!
>
>
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	Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the same *objective* (haha)
person who said some very nasty things about the English and Germans while
saying the Dutch were the saintliest folks around. Perhaps you meant
objectionable rather than objective.

	Gee....this is almost fun. I'd better stop myself.


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Subject: CSKA "Home" Games
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Does anyone know why UEFA won't allow CSKA to play their home EC1 group 
matches in Moscow? Is there any precedence for this?

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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Second divisions Internationals
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:45:31 GMT

dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:

>In Germany we have at least Kari Laukanen, the Finnish goalie.

Yes, Kari Laukkanen plays for Waldhof Mannheim. In addition, two more Finnish
internationals Ari Hjelm and Petri Ja"rvinen are going to play in 2. Bundesliga
for FC St. Pauli.

Totally unrelated to all this is the news item that Jukka Vakkila has 
resigned from the manager's job of the Finnish national team. The reason
was, of course, the poor success of Finland in the WC qualifying games.
Vakkila's successor has not been appointed yet.

Janne Kivela"

      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
From: WMONROE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (WILLIAM MONROE)
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Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:09:49 -0600
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Could someone please send to me the scores of these games?


9 Oct  Oceania Group 1           Tahiti - Solomon Islands

28 Oct  Europe Group 2           Turkey  -  San Marino
28 Oct  Europe Group 3        Lithuania  -  Latvia
28 Oct  Europe Group 5           Russia  -  Luxembourg
28 Oct  Europe Group 6          Austria  -  Israel

Thanks,
Bill Monroe

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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: German Bundesliga results
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:08:46 GMT

hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister) writes:

>VfB Stuttgart 1 - 0  Dortmund       : Saarbruecken  0 - 3  Hamburger SV
>-------att.: 28 000-----------------:--------att.: 26 000-----------------
>1:0 Walter                     (85) : 0:1 Schnoor                     (23)
>                                    : 0:2 Baeron                      (54)
>                                    : 0:3 Baeron                      (87)

I the first half Walter got a goal dissallowed for offside, a wrong
decision if you ask me. "Justice" was the done when Walter scored
from what I belivie was an offside position.

>Uerdingen     0 - 5  Kais'lautern   : Schalke 04    0 - 0  Frankfurt
>-------att.:  8 000-----------------:--------att.: 45 000-----------------
>0:1 Hotic                      (28) :
>0:2 Hotic                      (31) :

This goal was scored by Bjarne Goldbaek.

>0:3 Witeczek                   (41) :
>0:4 Witeczek                   (54) :
>0:5 Marin                      (57) :
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From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
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Subject: Re:  US Squad for World Indoor Championships
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:43:19 -0600
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-> FORWARDS:
-> Chico Borja

-> Agoos, Borja, Eck and Ervine are fringe players on the outdoor national team.
-> Gabarra and Windischmann were starters on the 1888 Olympic and 1990 World Cup
-> teams respectively, but haven't played international soccer for a while.
-> Clavijo has been a regular on Bora's US outdoor team. The rest are former MISL 
-> stars. Looks like a good team for this sort of thing! Any idea if these players  
-> would be good enough to play in a "real" North American outdoor league?

I have memories of Chico as a forward on the Cosmos, in the old NASL.
He was quite competant.
From: PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
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Subject: Re: re:predictions
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:17:25 -0600
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      Hmmm...you say that Aberdeen will win 4-0 huh?
         Interesting...I hope that Aberdeen wins because it is my team and they
are a good team.  However, I will say that they will win by a score of 2-1.
         GO ABERDEEN!
                                                           Panos Karliotis
                                                           PKARLIOT@knox
From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
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Subject: Re: Penalty shootout queries
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:48:04 GMT
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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: 1. Is the first-round order for the list of penalty takers
: pre-determined? ie does the referee have to have a list of the takers
: prior to the start of the shootout, or are the teams free to choose
: who they like on each kick (subject to each kicker being different
: etc)?

  The 1991 Laws of the Game included a new section on how to control the
  procedures for "The Taking of Penalty Kicks" to decide the winner of a
  game.

  The prefered method is for the referee to obtain a list of numbers of
  the first five kickers, in order, from each coach and then proceed with
  the kicks.  
 
: 2. In the '86 QF between France and Brasil, the penalty kick of
: Belloni (sp?) was hotly contested because, after hitting the post, the
: ball rebounded away from the goal, hit the back of the 'keeper and
: went in the net. The goal was given but the Brasilians contested it on
: the grounds that the ball was dead as soon as it bounced away from the
: goal. I believe FIFA issued a clarification regarding this kind of
: situation. What was the clarification? Should such a kick count as a
: goal? 

  Yes, the clarification issued was to wait until the it was obvious that
  no goal would be scored from the movement of the ball.  That means if a
  the keeper deflects the ball and it spins off rolling toward the goal -
  wait for the spinning to be complete to see if the motion of the ball
  carried it into the goal.  Further, any rebounding off the goalposts or
  crossbar - wait to see if the ball carries into the goal.  

  The clarification says the ball is NOT dead as soon as it bounced away
  from the goal - unless it's obvious no goal is going to be scored.  If
  spin or motion of carries it into the goal - its a goal!  

  
: 
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From: loris@zeus.physast.uga.edu (Loris Magnani)
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Subject: Alltime Club Standings
Date: 16 Nov 1992 16:51:56 -0600
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OK, after a bit of work I've managed to compile the alltime standings
for the first 17 European sides in all three competions (Champions,
Cup-Winners, UEFA/Fairs Cups) since their inception. My data came
primarily from the 24 July 1991 issue of the Italian sports magazine
Il Guerin Sportivo. That issue had the alltime standings for all the
Euro clubs in the three Cups together and for each Cup individually.
I've updated those results to include last year's results but the
table does NOT include this years results.  And here are the top
17 sides in Euro Competition (the first column is the total number
of years the sides have participated in one of the three cups. It looks
like only Barcellona has participated every year, at least
for those clubs with over 161 total points). The points are assigned
in the usual way: 2 for a win and 1 for a draw.

#  Team          Country      Games  Won  Tied  Lost  GF   GA  pts.

36 Real Madrid   Spain         245   139   40    66  529  262  318
37 Barcellona    Spain         244   131   50    63  476  262  312
31 Juventus      Italy         208   122   36    50  368  177  280
25 Bayern Munich Germany       182   103   40    39  387  183  246
33 Benfica       Portugal      189    92   46    51  346  184  230
32 Anderlecht    Belgium       186    99   30    57  350  234  228
30 Inter         Italy         180    87   42    51  284  163  216
33 Red Star Bel. Yugoslavia    177    88   30    59  341  237  206
22 Liverpool     England       148    88   26    34  294  113  202
24 FC Cologne    Germany       158    83   29    46  308  183  195
28 Ajax          Holland       147    84   23    40  282  139  191
24 AC Milan      Italy         151    77   35    39  268  147  189
31 Rangers       Scotland      149    71   27    51  247  195  169
27 Atletico Mad. Spain         136    73   22    41  226  150  168
20 Hamburg SV    Germany       131    73   21    37  264  155  167
16 Borussia Moe. Germany       115    68   25    22  261  125  161
28 Celtic        Scotland      132    68   25    39  240  132  161

Of course, there may have been errors in the original compilation 
and I may have introduced some as I tried to update the results to
be complete through the end of last season...If anyone spots any
mistakes feel free to send me the corrections. I will try to include
more clubs in the next few weeks.

As for Wednesday - FORZA AZZURRI and more importantly for Sunday:

FORZA MILAN !!!!!

Loris Magnani

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: An NCAA mens result
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Seton Hall 2  Hartford 0

Andy

ps  If anybody has the full pairings, please post them, thank you.
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
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Subject: Cup of Brazil
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:37:12 -0600
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     Cup of Brazil 92
     ----------------
The winner of Cup  qualify for next Libertadores.

Second Round
------------
Date-Place           Games

04/09-Aracaju        Sergipe    0-1 Fluminense
16/10-Rio de Janeiro Fluminense 2-2 Sergipe
---->     Fluminense qualified for quarters.

18/09-Porto Alegre   Gremio     0-1 Parana
23/10-Curitiba       Parana     1-2 Gremio
----->    Gremio qualified for quarters.

01/09-Fortaleza      Fortaleza  0-0 Sport
29/09-Recife         Sport      4-0 Fortaleza
---->          Sport qualified for quarters.

12/09-Maceio         CSA        3-3 Vasco
13/10-Rio de Janeiro Vasco      0-1 CSA
---->            CSA qualified for quarters.

08/09-Curitiba       Atletico(PR) 0-0 Bahia
16/10-Salvador       Bahia        1-2 Atletico(PR)
---->   Atletico(PR) qualified for quarters.

25/09-Belo Horizonte Atletico(MG) 3-2 Criciuma
13/10-Criciuma       Criciuma     1-0 Atletico(MG)
---->       Criciuma qualified for quarters.

09/10-Sao Paulo      Corinthians  0-4 Internacional(RS)
20/10-Porto Alegre   Internacional(RS) 0-0 Corinthians
---->  Internacional qualified for quarters.

15/09-Belem(Para)    Remo 0-0 Palmeiras
02/10-Sao Paulo      Palmeiras 5-1 Remo
---->      Palmeiras qualified for quarters.
--------------------------------------------------
Quarters of finals

27/10-Arapiraca(Alagoas)       CSA 1-3 Sport
10/11-Recife(Pernambuco)       Sport 4-0 CSA
---->  Sport qualified for semifinals.
30/10-Rio de Janeiro           Fluminense 2-1 Criciuma
13/11-Criciuma(Santa Catarina) Criciuma   0-3 Fluminense
---->  Fluminense qualified for semifinals.
03/11-Curitiba                 Atletico(PR) 0-1 Palmeiras
20/11-Sao Paulo                Palmeiras     -  Atletico(PR)
---->
06/11-Porto Alegre        Gremio             -  Internacional(RS)
17/11-Porto Alegre        Internacional(RS)  -  Gremio
---->
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
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Subject: Re: LFC v Blades, Who Scored ??
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:10:41 -0600
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> As no one has posted a match report for the League Cup game (I can't bring
> myself to calling it the "Coca Cola Cup") between the reds and Sheff Utd,
> could someone at least enlighten me as to who scored.

Steve McManaman scored two before the break, Mike Marsh scored from the
penalty spot late in the second half.

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From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Brian McGinlay
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:53:17 GMT


Does anyone know why Brian McGinley has retired as a Grade 1 referee for
the second time in his career ?????

Has he been put out to pasture for not giving Rangers enough penalties ???

Just a thought........


Anton.
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Subject: Re: Penalty shootout questions
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In article <1992Nov18.220247.10765@pony.Ingres.COM> cmorris@Ingres.COM
(Colin Morris) writes:

>I have a couple of queries abou the procedures for the "tie-breaking
>procedure" aka penalty-shootout.

>1. Is the first-round order for the list of penalty takers
>pre-determined? ie does the referee have to have a list of the takers
>prior to the start of the shootout, or are the teams free to choose
>who they like on each kick (subject to each kicker being different
>etc)?

No need to give the ref a list, just choose before each kick. The ref
records the names of the players who have taken kicks to ensure different
players are used.

>2. In the '86 QF between France and Brasil, the penalty kick of
>Belloni (sp?) was hotly contested because, after hitting the post, the
>ball rebounded away from the goal, hit the back of the 'keeper and
>went in the net. The goal was given but the Brasilians contested it on
>the grounds that the ball was dead as soon as it bounced away from the
>goal. I believe FIFA issued a clarification regarding this kind of
>situation. What was the clarification? Should such a kick count as a
>goal?

It should count as a goal. The clarification reads "If at the taking of kicks
from the penalty mark, or when extended time is being allowed for a penalty
kick in normal playing time, the ball strikes the goalpost or crossbar, strikes
the goalkeepr and enters the goal, a goal shall be awarded."

>Colin Morris    Ingres, an ASK Group company     cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

>"It's never too late to hate Luton Town" -- Danny Baker

And it's never too late to hate Danny Baker either.

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From: dstein@sylmar.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Alltime Club Standings (additional info)
Reply-To: dstein@sylmar.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:37:42 GMT

  Better yet, here's a table of the teams sorted by the difference 
  between games played and points gained.
      
       Real 73
   Juventus 72
 Barcellona 68
     Bayern 64
  Liverpool 54
   Borussia 46
       Ajax 44
 Anderlecht 42
    Benfica 41
   AC_Milan 38
 FC_Cologne 37
    Hamburg 36
      Inter 36
   Atletico 32
   Red_Star 29
     Celtic 29
    Rangers 20

  I think the best measure might be the one above *except* that the
  teams would be allowed to choose the time periods so that they can
  gain the maximum number of points possible.

  I.e. if Anderlecht _lost_ 10 points in the 60's (when Belgian football
  was rather weak) but gained 52 since 1970, we could have:

  Anderlecht '70-92  52 points

  so they will not be penalized for the sixties time period.

  And some teams may have more then one entry for different time periods.
  The only restriction being that each time period must be continuous.
  Can anyone do such a ranking?

 - David

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