From: olw7845@zeus.tamu.edu (Zeke E. Pez)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: The Zekester gets Serious, Maybe...
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:44 CST
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Robiieeeeee, your daddies are calling,

>>                                   _Why_ is racial discrimination
>>not equivalent to sexual-orientation discrimination?  Be specific.

>>And you gave no reasons why not, save some vague claim that "Jews had
>>a religious moral code; therefore anti-gay discrimination is not
>>equivalent to anti-Jewish discrimination."  Once again, Zeke old chum,
>>_why not_?  Be specific.

Racial discrimination deals with one's race of origin not with sexual 
orientation.  This type of discrimination is where its victims can be hurt 
the most since they have no choice as to what race they are born into.

Religious discrimination deals with one's faith and spiritual convictions or
lack thereof (some times a person has a choice with respect to what religion
is right for them).  This type of discrimination is more subtle since there
can be no physical evidence of religious preference.

Sexual Preference discrimination deals with one's ability to perform sexual
acts with respect to whatever sexually excites that person.

So, ROBBiepoo, (racial issues)!=(religious issues)!=(sexual issues).
The only thing that can be associated between these issues is that 
discrimination occurs. Discrimination is discrimination! Whether it is
reverse discrimination or what ever.  But to equate anti-gay and anti-Jewish
discrimination is wrong because the issues facing the Jews, Blacks, and 
HOMO's is different.  The common goal is to overcome the barriers of 
discrimination but does that struggle not exist for other groups such as but 
not limited to Muslems, Latino's, Asians, etc.


>First off, homosexuality and pedophilia are in no sense comparable.
>Most pedophiles essentially rape the children they have sex with,
>since most children can't give consent.  Homosexual partners have
>mutually consensual sex, just like heterosexual partners.  Homo-
>sexuality is not rape nor pedophilia, any more than heterosexuality
>is.  This is obvious to anyone with a mostly functioning brain.

Heterosexuality is the _sexual orientation_ for *opposite* sex based 
relationships, is it not?

Homosexuality is the _sexual orintation_ for *same* sex based 
relationships, is it not?

Necrophilia is the _sexual orientation_ for *death-related* sex based
relationships, is it not?

Pedophilia is the _sexual orientation_ for *child-related* sex based
relationships, is it not?

Bestiality is the _sexual orientation_ for *animal* sex based
relationships, is it not?

Now I am not saying (Heterosexuality)==(Homosexuality)==(Necrophilia)==
                    (Pedophilia)==(Bestiality)!!!
I am saying that these are all _sexual orientations_ that can and are 
discriminated against.  If anti-discrimination legislation is to be passed
in order to protect _sexual orientation_ then it must protect any and all
_sexual orientations_ such that it is fair to all. 

According to PRO HOMO rhetoric (not your bigotted, hate mongor type of 
PRO HOMO, ROB), *many*, not all, HOMO's did not choose thier sexual 
orientation they are born with it. I will accept this argument if and 
only if it can be applied to the other _sexual orientations_ 
(heterosexuality, necro's, pedo's, and *beasto's*).

Did a Pedophile choose to be a pedophile, according to the PRO HOMO argument
"many Pedophiles did not choose their orientation, they were born with it!".

Since these people were born with their sexual orientation all ready coded
in their genes, then why can they not be protected like the HOMO's?

This same thing applies to the other sexual orientations!!!!

Now lets tackle that nasty QUALIFIER that HOMO's like to fall back on when
confronted with the question of Pedo's, Necro's, *Beasto's*.
Many time I have seen, the term CONSENTING ADULTS.  This at first glance
seems to add validity to the HOMO's argument for anti-discr. legislation.
In fact it adds a degree of vagueness!!!

If a an ADULT dog runs up to you and mount's your leg and tries to *do* you.
It seems this dog is requesting consent for sexual (in the only way it knows
how) behaviour and if you do consent (assuming you are an adult) and help FIDO 
finish the job.  Is this not sexual consent among ADULTS?? Should it not be 
protected by law?

If your lover (assuming he/she is an ADULT) by the power of attornet, WILL's 
their corpse PRE-MORTUM to you(assuming you are an adult) so that you may 
engage in sexual activity with the body.  Is this not sexual consent among 
ADULTS?? Should it not be protected by law?

Now we must tackle the issue of WHAT an ADULT is!!!
The definition of an ADULT is an issue I would like the PRO HOMO people
to answer.

I therefore ask the people of this alt.:

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What is your definition of an ADULT?
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(Please remember, many 15, 16, and 17 year old criminals are routinely
prosecuted as adults so please do not dictate the LEGAL definition of an 
ADULT based on age for even that issue can be side-stepped)





>What ramifications, Zekey me boyo?  Spell 'em right out for me step
>by step.  I can't wait.

By my above statements can you not see your ramifications, ROBBIEpoo ?? 


Please Post or mail your personal definitions of what an adult is.
As you may very well see, I will use your definitions to reshape
if necessary the my opinion toward HOMO's.

And By the way, why hasn't any one asked my to state my true and honest
opinion about GAY's??

I have already stated that MY PRO HETERO fascade is a sarcastic antithesis to
the HOMOsexual arguments for anti-discr. laws, Is any one really interested
or are you to concerned with the emotionalism and reversed bigotted nature of
ROBBIEpoo to care what I really think.


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|The Zekester, PRO HETERO and proud of it!!                   |
|       **********         They call me homophobic,           |
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|  **<-------------****    They call me close-minded,         |
| **  \          **** **   They call me intolerant,           |
|**    \      ****/    **  They blame me for their problems,  |
|**     \  ****  /     **  They cannot tolerate me,           |
|**     ****    /      **  They cannot respect me,            |
| ** **** \    /      **   They do not know me,               |
|  ****    \  /      **         yet they judge me.            |
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|       **********         They must be heterophobes!!        |
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