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From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:35:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1650@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes...
>by a French (German?) anti-semite, whose name I have forgotten.
>He was using the phrase to legimate his own anti-semitism.  While
>"semitic" refers to a language group (not a race) which includes
>Arabs as well as Jews, "anti-semite" has never meant anything other
>than "Jew-hater".
> 
>Bill     : 

The man you are thinking of is named Wilhelm Marr, and he coined it in his 
1879-80 pamphlet Der Sieg des Judenthums ueber das Germanthums (The victory of
Judaism over Germanism) which was widely described as the first anti-Semitic 
bestseller.

							Dan Case
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13233 talk.politics.misc:64529
From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:39:28 GMT
Keywords: CIA now plotting a coup d'etat against the Government of Cuba

In article <1992Dec14.191336.8202@mont.cs.missouri.edu> jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:
>This morning, WBAI-FM (99.5) in New York City interviewed Cuba's
>U.N. Ambassador Hidalgo, former Israeli intelligence official
>Ari Ben-Menashe and Jack Colhoun, journalist for THE GUARDIAN.
>They gave this story:
>
[deleted]
>their belief that the brewing CIA plot is designed to takeover the
>Government of Cuba under the guise of an internal coup d'etat 
>conspired by the highest echelons of Cuba's military staff.

Sounds great.  Lets hope this plot succeeds, for the sake of the Cubans.
-- 
Tom Kimball  			tom@europa.lerctr.org    
tom@europa.lonestar.org		tom%europa@egsner.cirr.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: barcheta@admiral.uucp (Alec Cornell)
Subject: Canada, NAFTA
Reply-To: barcheta@admiral.uucp (Alec Cornell)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:28:40 GMT

I think NAFTA will actually be god for Canada in the long term, and that 
it will be good for America and Mexico too.  As it is, Canada exports 
more to the US than the US does to it;  so there is reason to believe 
Canadian exports will do better in NAFTA with free trade.  And it seems 
that Canada has been exporting more to the US lately, and not just stuff 
in the grocery stores -- my Honda says "Made in Canada"!
But Canadians will probably go over the border to buy in America more if 
US prices remain cheaper than Canadian prices;  I don't think that 
matters excpet locally along the border though.  But it seems like less 
of a big deal to an American since most of us live a lot further from 
Canada than most Canadians live from us.
As far as plants closing down to move to the US, that will happen in some 
cases, just as American plants will close to move to Mexico.  But there 
will also be incentives for companies to move in -- Canada will be even 
more attractive to European and Japanese investors wiht a bigger 
"internal" market if it can compete with the US, which I guess is the 
whole question.  The answer is, we ALL have no choice but to compete or 
lose, and free trade should, in general, benefit all North Americans.  
Though some individuals will lose.  Same as withe the EC.

As far as medicine, I suppose you all know that Canada is often held up 
by Americans as a model of success in health care.  That may sound like a 
joke, but you do spend significantly less than we do, and get more bang 
for your bucks in terms of life expectency and infant mortality.  I'd 
rather have your system than mine.  But then I'm a Democrat, so I'm 
obviously a Commie . . . 


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From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
Subject: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: CIA now plotting a coup d'etat against the Government of Cuba
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:13:36 GMT

This morning, WBAI-FM (99.5) in New York City interviewed Cuba's
U.N. Ambassador Hidalgo, former Israeli intelligence official
Ari Ben-Menashe and Jack Colhoun, journalist for THE GUARDIAN.
They gave this story:

There is a clandestine CIA front company named Maverick Aviation
which is buying up Soviet military helicopters, fighter aircraft
and military transport aircraft. These confidants say that this
activity has "all the earmarks of a covert operation." They voiced
their belief that the brewing CIA plot is designed to takeover the
Government of Cuba under the guise of an internal coup d'etat 
conspired by the highest echelons of Cuba's military staff.

The planned CIA overthrow will presumably involve the anti-Castro   
Cuban contingent of the CIA, which has lately been launching raids 
onto Cuban soil -- attacks presumably ordered by high CIA officials.
These raids have been well concealed by the corporate mass media,
controller of information and thought among the people of our nation.

    John DiNardo
From: rick@howtek.UUCP (Rick Roy)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #01 of 80
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: rick@howtek.UUCP (Rick Roy)
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <3870@news.cerf.net> (alt.conspiracy), eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Andrew Lynch) writes:
] Posted by Jon Volkoff, mail address eidetics@cerf.net
] 
] "AUDIO LETTER(R)" is a registered trademark of Audio Books,
] Inc., a Texas corporation, which originally produced this tape
] recording.  Reproduced under open license granted by Audio
] Books, Inc.
] 
] -----------------------------------------------------------------
] 
] This is the Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER(R), Box 16428, Ft. Worth,
] Texas  76133
] 
]    Hello my friends, this is Dr. Beter speaking.  Today is June
] 21, 1975, and this is my monthly AUDIO LETTER(R) No. 1.
                           ^^^^^^^

As this is an 80 (!!!!!) part letter, I have to ask: Is it monthly
because that's how long it takes him to say this much?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rick Roy          Usenet: rick@phunt.MV.com         America Online: QED
   "He knows that changes aren't permanent- but change is!"   --Rush

Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these.
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Keywords: CIA now plotting a coup d'etat against the Government of Cuba
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:55:07 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

This "plot" sounds fantastic, however I think we should seriouly consider
supporting it in the event the fantasies are true.  It just might help
deter a Caucescu style repression in which thousands of Cuban are killed
by Castros security guards.  Thanks for letting us know of this formidable
plan.

Edelmiro

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13057 alt.conspiracy.jfk:4031 alt.slack:3443 talk.bizarre:41356
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.slack,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Lincoln Assassination
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:13:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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A further note, since I see this thread is cross-posted. The New
Federalist series will be posted to alt.conspiracy.
-Steve
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12995 talk.politics.misc:63893
From: cq019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Preston Landers)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Paul
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:14:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Preston Landers)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



	Does anyone here really believe Paul is dead?

-- 
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PRESTON LANDERS                                cq019@cleveland.freenet.edu
"The man in the crowd with the multicolored mirrors on his hobnail boots."
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: Weapons on the moon?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:10:10 GMT


Wait one second.

I thought it was rather conclusively proved a while back on this group
 that all those moon landings were faked in a movie studio. Now, Dr. Beter
and others seems convinced that there are weapons up there pointing
at us.  Which is it? Or is it both?
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove (was: Re: Bohemian Party???)
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <18DEC199219320073@reg.triumf.ca>, orwell@reg.triumf.ca (BALDEN, RON) writes...
> 
>Not at all.  This is the yearly `Bohemian Grove' gathering.  It is described
>in Lewis Lapham's "Money and Class in America" (1988, HC110 W4 L24 -- 
>in Bantam paperback) Lapham, currently editor of Harper's, was born
>into a very wealthy San Francisco family, and has some personal
>knowledge of the plutocracy. 
> 
>Also the Bohemian Grove gathering is mentioned in one of the profiles
>of American CEO's (I think it is T.K. Jones of Northrop) presented in
>"The Big Boys: Power and Position in American Business" by Ralph Nader
>and William Taylor (1986, HD2785 N33). 
> 
>The Bohemian Grove gathering was named recently (last year?)
>as one of the "top ten censored stories of the year" in the
>U.S. mass media by Project Censored (Communications
>Studies Program, Sonoma State University, CA.)

That same study (posted here) also mentions Philip Weiss's Spy article from...
I think 1989. If you'd read it, you'd see that rumors of sinister doings there
are somewhat overrated-all these powerful middle-aged white men are too busy 
getting drunk and pissing on trees to do anything conspiratorial.

						Dan Case
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13288 talk.politics.misc:64822
From: met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Talbot)
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:39:27 GMT
Keywords: CIA now plotting a coup d'etat against the Government of Cuba

jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo) writes:

>This morning, WBAI-FM (99.5) in New York City interviewed Cuba's
>U.N. Ambassador Hidalgo, former Israeli intelligence official
>Ari Ben-Menashe and Jack Colhoun, journalist for THE GUARDIAN.
>They gave this story:

>There is a clandestine CIA front company named Maverick Aviation
>which is buying up Soviet military helicopters, fighter aircraft
>and military transport aircraft. These confidants say that this
>activity has "all the earmarks of a covert operation." They voiced
>their belief that the brewing CIA plot is designed to takeover the
>Government of Cuba under the guise of an internal coup d'etat 
>conspired by the highest echelons of Cuba's military staff.

>The planned CIA overthrow will presumably involve the anti-Castro   
>Cuban contingent of the CIA, which has lately been launching raids 
>onto Cuban soil -- attacks presumably ordered by high CIA officials.
>These raids have been well concealed by the corporate mass media,
>controller of information and thought among the people of our nation.

Don't suppose you have any documentation for these raids?  I find
it hard to believe that various news organizations wouldn't
be killing each other to break the story.

>    John DiNardo


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W)
Subject: Re: Chip Berlet
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:25:00 GMT

In article <1299600109@igc.apc.org>, cberlet@igc.apc.org (NLG Civil Liberties Committee) writes...
> 
> 
>Hi,
> It really is a shame that you are not only an incompetent
> researcher but prone to personal smears as well. If it would be
> of interest, I will happily upload my current bio. If you knew how
> to do research, you could do a search of my published articles and
> get an idea of who I am, or check the Library of Congress catalog.
> But since you cannot even find evidence for facts that even Gritz
> himself does not contest, then I suppose that it a lot to ask.
> Let me know.
> -Chip

I am John W. Redelfs of Ketchikan Alaska, Chip.  And you can address me by name
if you want to.  I don't know why you call me an incompetent researcher, Chip.
In my post I never claimed to be a researcher at all.  I just said I was 
gathering what information I could find on Bo Gritz from alt.conspiracy, 
and various e-mail lists I am subscribed to.

I find it curious that Bo hasn't written or said more that is clearly
anti-Semitic or white racist than he has.  I have trusted your research to
provide me with the most damning material available.  And there is precious
little in your material to back up your claims in the way of quotes from
Gritz's writings and speeches.

As for me being "prone to personal smears," what did I do?  All I did was ask
some questions about you.  Who are you?  Why are you so down on Gritz?
Who do you work for?  Do you have some axe to grind?  Are you honest?  Can
we trust your testimony on these matters?

Is this a personal smear to want to know something more about you?  Yes, 
as per your post quoted above, please do provide us with some biographical
information.  That is, if you have nothing to hide.

I, myself, do not want to support Bo Gritz if he is in the least degree
anti-Semitic or white racist.  I detest such people.  But I have been unable
to uncover anything convincing me that he is.  Your own material is the most
damning of all.  And it contains almost nothing from Gritz's speeches and
writings to convince me he is either a white racist or an anti-Semite.
Maybe you could just post some quotes from Gritz with citations so we could
all see what a Jew hater and white racist he is?

Never mind a liturgy of who he hangs out with.  My best friend for years
was a Marxist-Leninist with whom I disagreed about almost everything.  In 
all that time he never persuaded me to move an inch from  my basically
John Birch Society positions.  No I am not a Bircher, but I have great 
respect for their doctrines which I believe are correct.

In order to be the radical right wing anti-Semite and white racist you claim
he is, Bo Gritz has to consistently say and do things that are anti-Semitic and
white racist, right?  Well, show me.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter ain't no DiNardo?
Summary: True, but still
Keywords: Hippo-critters
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:48:16 GMT

In article <18DEC199214533851@mivax.mc.duke.edu>, seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (Judge Not) writes:
> I never agreed with the treatment DiNardo received, but that's my problem.
> 
> What puzzles me is...why aren't you all whining about the numerous Dr. Beter
> posts? Is it because you believe them?  Isn't one or two examples of his 
> audio letter more than enough?  If you want more of his letters, send him
> money...
> 
> I really don't care who posts what.  Live and let live.  Relax.
> 
>                   O     O
>                      >
> 
>                  \_______/

True enough, but still .. 80 part messages of 20 year old paranoia,
and organic robotoids and conspiracies to make world dictators of
guys who died decades ago?  Don't you hate these messages clogging
up the net when there's so much NEW paranoia to plow through.


marc colten


Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12996 talk.politics.misc:63894
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #46 of 80
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:19:31 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

Wow.  This bizarreness exceeds anything I'd ever expected.

According to eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l):
>Last month I revealed that an Intelligence war of "doubles" had
>erupted in the United States.  President Carter, Vice-President
>Mondale, and their wives had fallen victim to this war of "doubles"
>as their Easter breaks away from Washington were ending.  Now I'm
>sorry to report that Amy Carter, Billy Carter, Lillian Carter, and
>Hugh Carter all died soon after Jimmy and Rosalyn did.  All of them,
>including Amy, have been replaced by "doubles"; but instead of the
>Bolshevik "doubles" who had been waiting in the wings, those we are
>seeing are Russian organic robotoids.  The voice of the Jimmy Carter
>"double" which was reproduced last month in Audio Letter No. 45 is
>the voice of a robotoid.  That robotoid was the one who was dazzling
>everyone with his vigorous new image.  Only a few months ago Carter
>had been limping around with what we were told were severe
>hemorrhoids; but now, out of the blue, here was a Carter who was a
>powerhouse--hiking, fishing, and jogging ten miles a day, he also
>looked and sounded younger than before--that was the first robotoid
>"double" for Carter which I referred to last month as Carter No. 2.
>By the time I recorded Audio Letter No. 45, there was also another
>Carter robotoid making the rounds--this one, Jimmy Carter No. 3, was
>the one that attended the Holocaust observances in the Capitol
>building here in Washington.  By contrast with Carter No. 2, No. 3
>looks noticeably older and more haggard.  As I mentioned earlier,
>robotoids are very good copies but they are not perfect, no two look
>exactly alike.
>
>Last month I mentioned that the "doubles" for Jimmy and Rosalyn
>Carter were spending a great deal of time at the Russian Embassy here
>in Washington instead of at the White House.  Now I can tell you why.
>Robotoids are programmed at the Embassy for each assignment.  Between
>assignments they simply rest there in a state of reduced metabolism.

Yet Carter still lives...

   ...OR DOES HE?

:-)
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagles to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13002 alt.revisionism:841
From: jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Date: 10 Dec 92 21:42:49 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>Several were, but I'm not aware of recent ones.  Many were offended by
>John Paul II's meeting with Arafat, but, though insensitive, is not
>necessarily anti-Semitic.

I have noticed so poor usages of the term "anti-Semitic" in this
thread. I know it sounds so nit-picky, but terms are terms. The phrase
Anti-Semitic is a relativly new term, late 1940's I believe, that refers
to a RACE of people, such as the Jews and the Arabs. With this in mind,
the Pope's meeting with Arafat can not be Anti-Semitic. Anti-Judaic
refers to the religion of many Semitic people. 

Pope John Paul II doesn't have great popularity among the Jewish folk,
but probably much more that Pius XII, who during the Holocaust ignored
the plight of the Jews and refused to help them. Pius XII was just doing
what all the Pope had done before him. The Catholic church and
Anti-Semitism have been dancing together for many centuries.
-- 
jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                (214) 235-7161 x4100
John E. Spence                                                  CompuTrac, Inc.
"I don't speak for CompuTrac, and CompuTrac doesn't speak for me!"
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: Wagner and Jews?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:01:13 GMT

In article <johnr.724371540@pongo.kowari.cpsg.com.au> johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid) writes:

|I have always been suprised that people continued to hold "Nazi" views
|against Wagner, when there is little if any evidence that his views were in
|any ways out of step with his times. His great problem was that in a later
|era a former Austrian house painter. It should be remembered that Wagner
|was living at a time when Germany was becoming a unified nation, and
|nationalistic ideas were common throughout Europe. It is therefore harly
|suprising that he managed to write operas that involved, in some cases,
|nationalistic themes,specifically germanic ones. 

There's a difference between nationalism and Jew-hating!

In article <1992Dec14.033521.16529@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
|In article <Bz882K.7IH@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:

|>It seems to me that Wagner's anti-Semitism was certainly no worse than the
|>attitude of the likes of Kahane. Only Wagner had the excuse of living in a
|>rather more bigotted age and the redeeming feature of being able to write some
|>of the most sublime music ever written.

|I think that's a little easy on him.  Wagner was one of the originators of
|anti-Semitic thought, one of the promoters of racial theories of character,
|of pseudo-Darwinist ideas about breeding, and a supporter of the further
|development of this train of thought by the likes of Count Gobineau and 
|Wagner's son-in-law Houston Stewart Chamberlain.  In his later writings
|Wagner came close to advocating the Final Solution.   His writings set the
|tone for much that followed, and his age was as bigoted as it was partly
|because of his efforts.

Why do some try to understate Wagner's anti-Semitism or to explain it
away by suggesting that this hatemongerer was typical of Germans (or
Europeans) of his generation?

-- Brad Pierce --

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13141 alt.activism:19560 talk.politics.misc:64147
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter: Prophet of Doom!!!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:38:14 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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In article <1gh3g3INNaa7@news.cerf.net> eidetics@nic.cerf.net (Eidetics Int'l) writes:
>I could name quite a few instances where his preposterous-sounding claims (at
>least to the uninformed) were proven correct, but suffice it to name only one.
>Who, 10 years ago, said that Russia was becoming totally free of Bolshevik
>Communists and was gradually allowing religious and other freedoms to be
>restored?  Only Dr. Beter, that I know of.


Hmm, maybe you should get out more, then.  Many theorists and individuals
have asserted that the Soviet Union was revisionist and heading toward
some flavor of western bourgeois democracy.  You could try any of these:

W.B. Bland, The Restoration of Capitalism in the Soviet Union, 1980, 
   SelectEditions, Wembley, UK.

Martin Nicolaus, The Restoration of Capitalism in the USSR, 1975, Liberator
   Press, Chicago.
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13243 ba.politics:7777 ca.politics:10399