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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Re: Are you becoming a Bears fan?  (Do it!)
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.031042.22618@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>Hey, this is kind of fun.  Anyone else have any contributions to the list:
>"You know you're becoming a Bears fan when..."?  You know, I'm really starting
>to like you Packer fans.  I guess ripping the Bears and their fans can bring
>us closer together.  I think I can accept Packers fans much more easily   
>because although they're extremely loyal, they don't seem nearly as arrogant
>or obnoxious as Bears fans.  I just think of Pack fans as these huddled masses
>all bundled up in green and gold, cheering to the bitter end in 40-below 
>weather for their beloved Pack.  But Bears fans provoke images of big loud-
>mouthed tailgating know-it-alls who rant and rave about their team, refuse to
>acknowledge any other team as being as worthy of God's love as theirs, and
>further, refusing to admit that their coach is nothing more than a screaming
>loon whose act has worn thin.  Oh well, enough generalizations for now.
>
>Jim
>-- 
>Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
>jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
>EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
>Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals

I've lived in Wisconsin for 16 years.  Ripping the Bears fans seems to be
a state sport.  They've been pretty quite for a while though - until the last
couple of years.  I wonder why?

Ditka can go to the games in nothing but ladies underwear and praise Hitler
for all I care.  Just don't mix up your images of the team personel and the
fans, please :^).  A winning coach is nothing to sneeze at.  What has he had,
2 career losing seasons out of 11(?) or so?  All the while dealing with a head
office who won't pay the big bucks to keep quality players in Chi-town? I
honestly don't know what his record is, but we ALL know it's good.  Loon or
not, I hope he's around for many seasons to come.

Steve - who really enjoyed someones post about laughing at the Vikings.

Merry Christmas to you too, Jim.
--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          GO Bears!!!
Brookfield, WI  53005  Not woofing,  just barking a little.
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: For New York Giants & 49er Fans
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:03:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.171522.29284@kadsma.kodak.com>, pajerek@telstar (Don Pajerek) writes:
>In article <103366@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.204147.9932@pony.Ingres.COM> daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>How about trading for Montana?  He'll be available, and might give the
>>>Ignats time to develop someone younger.  Do the Giants have any[thing|one]
>>>the Niners would want in return?
>
>BTW - I agree that, after automatically eliminating the other NFC West
>teams, the Giants are one of the LAST teams that the 49ers would want
>to see Montana playing for.

Speaking of living in the past, dream on GiFans.  It don't matter
anymore.  The Giants are a team midslope down a serious decline.
They've gotten really really old, and won't be a factor for a while
until they rebuild completely.  The Niners have no reason to think the
Giants[92] - LT + Joe would be a more serious problem than any of the
teams in the NFC that did hit .500 this year.

Wouldn't you want Montana for a few years to be entertaining and
teaching your rookie QB while you struggle back to respectability?

Actually, San Diego or KC seem more likely, 'cause they have no NFC
implications and both need QB help.

The Giants would be better for SF, I think, because (a) Giants draft
picks will be worth more for a while; (b) Giants won't be threatening
for a while; and (c) taking their draft picks will slow their
rebuilding.

Trade value?  How about a #2 for Joe, another #2 if he plays 8 games
in '94, and a #3 if he plays 8 games in '95.  If he's a bust, you
don't sign him up for '94 and it only cost you one #2.

-dB

-- 
Windows/NT - the VMS of the 90s

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From: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
Subject: Re: 49er QBs
Summary: don't count Joe out
Organization: Steve Young Non-Fan Club
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.151404.26611@asl.dl.nec.com> (David Nix) writes:

> If you were in George Seifert's shoes next season, would you bench the
> league MVP to give one of the all-time great QBs one more year of glory?

I would like to see Montana and Young compete for the starting position
by alternating them during the preseason.  I don't think this would sit
well with the players, however, and expect one or the other to force a
personnel decision after the playoffs.  If Young leads the team all the
way to an NFC championship, then it would be hard to argue against him.
Until that happens, though, I still have some doubts.

Steve has proven himself to be a great individual performer.  His passing
and scrambling talents are obvious.  The only unanswered question concerns
his leadership.  Can he inspire his teammates with the same confidence and
will to win that were Joe's trademark?  Sure, he's engineered some come-
from-behind victories, but it seems to me they were mainly a demonstration
of personal skill and drive.  I guess some of my uncertainty goes back to
his BYU days when he had good seasons, but fell short in the bowl games.
(Contrast this with Montana's legendary comeback in the Cotton Bowl.)

As for Montana's abilities, I think they are already well proven.  The
question here is whether or not age and inactivity have taken too great
a toll.  Only playing time can resolve that for certain.  I wouldn't
count Joe out just yet.  He's come back and silenced his critics too
many times in the past.  37 puts him close to retirement, but who's to
say he only has one year left?  Why not two or three years?  Just about
the right amount of time to break in a rookie replacement.  Even if he
can only provide one more 'glory year', I'd rather have that than five
years of 'almost but not quite all the way'.

> I just don't see how you can deny Steve Young, especially if he guides
> SF to the superbowl.  He is younger and has been better each season,
> and this season he is the probable NFL MVP (deservedly so).

The QB isn't totally responsible for winning or losing games, but if
Steve Young is instrumental in getting the Niners to Pasadena, it'll
lay the issue to rest.  If they fall short he has still, IMHO, not
passed the ultimate test.

> Let's see, which team has a decent offensive line, quarterback problems, and
> trouble selling tickets?  How about Phoenix.

If Joe is traded - and I'm beginning to think it's inevitable - I hope
he winds up with a team that has a realistic shot at the title.  There
would be some satisfaction seeing it shoved in the faces of the "dump
Joe he's toast" crowd.  Last rumor I heard - the Raiders are the odds
on favorite with Pittsburgh being Joe's personal choice after SF.

Bernie Verreau					bverreau@netcom.COM
RRRRRRRRR's                            		Redwood City, CA
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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.141747.1803@walter.cray.com> dpp@cray.com writes:
>In article 2668@weber.com, steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>
><stuff deleted>
>
>>
>>No, I don't love it.  I'm just a little vengefull and a lot bitter.  For the
>>past 10 years I have run into NO - zero - zip Packer fans who were willing to
>>admit that the Bears WERE a good football (before this year).  All they would 
>>tell me was - you guessed it "the Bears still suck".  Now the Packers have one
>>good season and too many Packer fans I know are gloating about it as if they
>>just won the Super Bowl or something!  And now that the Bears are close to
>>the cellar, they'll all admit the Bears were great in 85!
>
>I don't know of any Packer fans who wouldn't admit the '85 Bears were a
>great team.  They were.  However, those same Packer fans still hated
>the Bears, so they probably weren't saying it very loudly.  Maybe it
>had something to do with the cockiness of some of the Bears players
>back then.
>
See!  NOW it's fine to admit they were great, cocky or not.  But most Packer
fans wouldn't admit it then.  I hated that whole Fridge at fullback bullshit
and the Superbowl Suffle - I was actually embarassed for the team.  But the
team was still a great team.  Nothing wrong with admitting it back then.  If
you never heard a Packer fan saying "the Bears still suck" you must have
needed new hearing aid batteries.  Still, with the rivalry being as intense
as it is I can see your point.
>>
>>The Pack is good this year, but even their own head coach admits they're
>>playing over their heads.
>
>I have yet to hear Mike Holmgren make a statement like this, and I'd be really
>surprised if he ever did.  All he said was that the Packers don't have the 
>talent yet to overcome a breakdown in any phase of the game.
>
I heard it mentioned several times on Milwaukee radio about two or three weeks
ago and last Sunday, on a network interview I saw, Holmgren actually said it!
>
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Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          GO Bears!!!
Brookfield, WI  53005  No woofing - just a little bark.
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Don't do it! (was Re: The Packers still suck)
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:41:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec22.044118.7409
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman

In article <1992Dec21.203305.12516@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey) writes:

>secured is meaningless.  Sorry, I guess I'll became a Bears fan, after all,
>rumor has it Ditka is on his way out.

No, Chris, don't do it!  Being a Packers fan is one thing, and I can <gulp>
accept that... but, please, please, don't even joke about joining those guys!
Please tell me you haven't already begun the conversion.  Quick, just to be
on the safe side, check for symptoms.  Has your Polish sausage intake increased
significantly over the past week?  Have you found yourself pausing next to the
Ditka posters in the mall just a little bit longer than usual?  I hope for
your sake that the answer is no.

Willing to root for any team but the Bears,

Jim 
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:13:03 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <UfDtzKm00WDK4DB0tN@andrew.cmu.edu>
vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:

> I just heard on the radio that Dan Reeves' contract with the Broncos
> organization will *not* be renewed. Where will he go?
> 
> Chicago?
> New England?
> Atlanta?
> New York?
> Cleveland?
> Los Angeles Raiders?
> Phoenix?
> Detroit?
> 
> I don't see Ditka leaving, or Shell, Bugel, Belichek or Fontes.
> That leaves New England, Atlanta and New York.

Well, it won't be New York...Dan wants alot of control (player
selection, etc) and since George Young wouldn't give Parcells that kind
of control, Dan is not likely go to New York.  I think you left a
couple of teams off the list:  Phoenix and Seattle.  I doubt he'll go
to Phoenix because they need some serious revamping and I don't see him
getting along with Bidwell.  Seattle on the other hand...IMHO, a likely
choice for Dan.  He's already familiar with Seattle as they're in the
same division (and will continue to play familiar teams in division). 
Seattle has an up and coming defense and Dan has the abilities to
rebuilt the Seahawks flaccid offense.  Wouldn't it be poetic justice to
have Dan go to the 'hawks and have his new club dismember the Broncos
next year? ;-)

Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
Land of the Giants (BTW, who IS gonna be OUR new coach??)
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: 29 Dec 92 03:23:46 GMT
Organization: Clark University

Comparing the two conferences is silly. If there were no inter-conference
games it might be interesting to draw comparisons, but as it stands there
will continue to be good teams on both sides losing to opponents from the
other conference. Whether or not the AFC or NFC has an overall better record
is less relevant when you consider that the so-called "dominance" has swung
back and forth through the decades, and it's not like the gap was ever very
big anyway.


Bart
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:42:28 CST

In article <1992Dec22.012332.1567@cs.uwp.edu> mcdonald@cs.uwp.edu (Joseph Mcdonald) writes:
>Steve Keshen (steve@weber.com) wrote:
>: Subject line says it all!
>
>And where the h-ll are you from STEVIE?  I bet it isn't Wisconsin.
>Try another sports group...better yet, get back to work.
>-- 
>
>*****************************************************************************
>Joe McDonald				   			Go Badgers!!!
>University of Wisconsin - Parkside	   		    Shot 'n a GOAL!!!
Oh your at Parkside, I hadn't noticed that when I ripped on you at first, if I
had I wouldn't have been so kind.  Well everybody who isn't from Wisconsin his
being from Parkside explains it all.  Kind of like going to another four years
of high school.

-Chris C.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Greatest Quarterback Ever?
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:12:49 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <YfDgyzu00WDKICJ49a@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
|Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 23-Dec-92 Greatest
|Quarterback Ever? Stephen Joseph Smith@cs. (1299)
|
|> To be fair:
|> Joe Montana [22 consecutive completions in 1987, won 4 Super Bowls, 
|> 		quarterback of the 80's 49ers]
|
|and those 22 "consecutive" completions came over two games. Not to take
|anything away from them, but don't go thinking he had 22 straight in one
|game....

Which means he did it against two different defenses.  It wasn't like he
had one weak secondary that he could take advantage of.  That he was able
to continue the streak against a different defense and game plan makes it
a more significant accomplishment.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:34:17 GMT

gr> Gary Rosen
gs> Gary Strand

gs> If a team favored by ~3 TDs can just barely beat a turd 4-10 team, they 
    don't deserve to be in the NFL.

gr> Then where do the AFC *conference champions*, who have not only lost the
    SB the last 8 years but in six of those years got their sorry butts
    whipped like a high school team, belong?

  I don't know; tell me, Mr. Big Man.

  Wait, don't tell me -- you're a "the NFC is god, and SF are his disciples,
  and Joe is his one and only son"-type dickheads.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: UPDATES - Early scores
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 04:37:45 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec27.212846.2259@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>New Orleans  20		NY Jets   0 * FINAL SATURDAY
>LA Raiders  21			Washington  20 * FINAL SATURDAY
>Green Bay  7			Minnesota  27  * FINAL
>NY Giants  10			Philadelphia   20  * FINAL
>Cleveland  13			Pittsburgh  23  * FINAL 
>Denver  20			Kansas City  42  * FINAL
>Indianapolis  21		Cincinnati  17  * FINAL
>Miami  16				New England  13  **OT FINAL
> Aren't the FISH the luckiest team alive. :-)


Yeah, it is pretty funny. They looked virtually unbeatable early on.  Then,
they looked hapless.  And now, the still look hapless, but have won 3 straight
and have just taken the AFC East title.  And, even with an awesome array of
offensive talent... Marino, Duper, Clayton, Jackson, Humphrey, Paige, etc...
They can't seem to score...

Oh well, at least they win the AFC East, get to wait 2 weeks to play their
next game, and hopefully will get John Offerdahl back (oh please!!!!)

>-- 
> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller


-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Congratulations to SD.
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:26:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bzy407.F4J
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Congratulations to SD and their fans to be the first team in
NFL history to overcome a 0-4 start and win the Division.

BTW, What is the latest on Humphries.

S.H
-------------------------------------------------------------
My euphoric moments: A vikes TD or a Twins Homer blast.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Kudos to the WINNERS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:17:12 GMT

I want to congratulate the Cowboys for winning the last game
and having the best season in their organization.  Yes, I am a 
Niners fan, but hell, the 'Boys are coming into the playoffs with 
some momemtum. Their season is yet not complete, and I have gained some 
respect for their running back, E. Smith.  Congrats to the Eagles, 
Houston, Chargers, Miami and the Redskins for winning the must 
games, etc. Some of games were won on last minute drives or the
D's scored as many points as some O's. Some wins were ugly, but
they were wins.  Some exciting games are ahead and my palms are 
already sweating thinking about the games. Just hope that the 
Niners don't get "too cold" for lack of playing because of their bye
week. Same goes for Dallas. May each team be as healthy as
possible. Some teams are not so fortunate, but WAR is HELL.
The teams with the best depth, i.e., best backups will go the
farthest.  

Despite all the rivarly and flames, it has been fun and I never
take any these stuff seriously. It is only a game. Again,
kudos to the all the teams that made it!
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: NFL Playoff TV Coverage
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:22:47 GMT


Someone had asked about which networks were covering which games ... lessee
if I get this right ...

Sat  2 Jan 93  --  BOTH GAMES COVERED BY ABC SPORTS

    11:30 CST	Washington at Minnesota
    13:00 PST	Kansas City at San Diego

    My guess is that they'll sent Brent to Minneapolis and
        Dierdork to "The Murph" ...

Sun  3 Jan 93

    12:30 EST	Houston at Buffalo (NBC Sports)
    15:00 CST	Philadelphia at New Orleans (CBS Sports)

    Most likely, Pat and John will be at the Superdome ... not certain
        who'll be in Buffalo.  Check Thursday's USA Today ...


Bob - looking forward to homey announcers   :-)

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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UfEE4B200WDKMFlnRt
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 Re: Dan Reeves
is gone! Bill Bentley@neocad.com (366)

> >>Atlanta?

> >Yup.  Good system and a lot of talent for him to work with.

> This may be true, but I think the first time Sanders does a dance with
> his team down 35-7 (like he did in the game against Buffalo) Reeves would
> have a heart attack. Reeves is a class act and will not stand for that
> kind of behavior. I think he will go to either Phoenix or Seattle.

what the hell is all this crap about Reeves going to Seattle?!? Flores
just started this year and the only thing he was lacking was an offense,
why the hell would they fire *him*!?!?! Geez, just because a team has a
losing record, it doesn't mean the coach is gonna get fired!

--Vernon.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Are the Falcons really that lame?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:29:03 GMT

Seems like the Falcons are MNF's 90lb weaklings,
cream puffs, pushovers, jellfish and you add
the rest.
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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