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From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: 24X still will not do 800*600 32K at 72Hz
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:56:21 GMT

mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:

>I received version 2.02 of the 24X drivers yesterday from Daimond in response
>to my 800*600 32K problem @ 72Hz.  (Missing top 2" of screen - Ok at 60Hz).

>The new drivers DO NOT fix the problem.  I suppose no one else has this working
>at 72Hz either?

Since when has the 24X supported 800x600x32K at 72Hz.  When I bought
mine, it would do only 800x600x32K at 60Hz.  It would do
72Hz at 800x600x256 and 1024x768x256, though.

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From: tim@boxhill.com (Timothy Jones)
Subject: Comtrade Systems & NT
Organization: Box Hill Systems Corporation, New York, NY
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:57:34 GMT

Does anyone out there have experience with these systems?  They run big ads in
Computer Shopper and have pretty competitive prices.  Of particular interest
is their combination EISA/local bus machine.

Also, has anyone tried running Windows/NT on them?  They're not listed in the
latest hardware compatibility list I have, and NT compatibility is a
requirement.

Thanks,
Tim
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From: popineau@tintin.ese-metz.fr (Fabrice Popineau)
Subject: Info wanted about SCSI controllers
Organization: Supelec, Etablissement de Metz, France.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:58:59 GMT
X-Posted-From: tintin.ese-metz.fr
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


I may want to buy a SCSI controller for my 486/33. What I want to know
is :

- will I   be able to use   Sun Tape Device  (QIC  24/150) ? Sun  CD ?
Syquest Disks ? If so, which drivers are required ?

-  why are some controllers  far  more expensive  than others (Adaptec
1542 vs ST02/ST03 ?)

Thanks in advance,

F. Popineau
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From: kgarime@scdt.intel.com (Krishna Garimella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: AdaptiBUS - Same as LOCAL Bus ?
Keywords: AdaptiBUS, LOCAL BUS
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:49:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation


I have a 486/33 system with a motherboard
with AdaptiBUS. The company I bought the system
from claims that this supports the LOCAL Bus standard.
They also say that I have to buy a VESA controller (As the board
only has a connector for VESA) and it has to be from the
board manufacturer. Please forgive my ignorance, but what 
do they actually mean ? 

Has any one heard of the AdaptiBus or used it ?

Any other experiences with the AdaptiBus ?

Thanks in advance

Krishna
From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: re-partitioning disk w/o losing data???
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:13:58 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Hello all
	I appear to have had some sort of wierd
power glitch/failure on my AT. After a lot of
work, I've got it close to working, but still
can't access the hard disk 
(a seagate st3144a IDE)

The BIOS diagnostics (Quadtel) check the drive
out fine, but when I try to access it after
booting from floppy I get an
`invalid drive specification' error.

questions!

1) Am I write to assume that this is because the partition
information has been lost? FDISK says nothing there,
but I guess that other (hardware) reasons may also cause this


2) assuming (1) is true, is it possible to put
new partition tables on my disk without reformatting
it? I know (roughly!) how it was partitioned
(into 2 drives of about 65Mb & 55 MB respectively);
is it possible to get it roughly right & tweak it
by examining the disk later?

As you can see, I'm anxious to get the data from
this disk!! any help very gratefully received
(by email preferably)

	thank you
		john nicoll


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From: st1r8@rosie.uh.edu (Guillot, Burt J.)
Subject: Floppy problem!  (Getting CRC errors from PKUNZIP)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:25:00 GMT

You may remember the article I posted yesterday about having a "problem"
with the hard drive light staying on constantly.  I've been told by a
number of people that older MFM controllers did this on purpose and that
I should hook an LED to one of the ports on the card.

However, on this 16-bit MFM dual floppy/hard drive controller, I seem to
be having a serious problem.  I don't know whether the problem lies in the
hard drive or floppy drive interface of the card.

This 286 has a built in floppy controller, but I had to disable it with
a jumper on the motherboard since the HD controller had a built in
floppy controller.  However, I seem to be having a strange problem.

Here is an example session:

C> copy a:test.zip c:
C> pkunzip test.zip

PKUNZIP will run and unzip the files, but over half the files have a CRC
error which renders the files unusable.

However, if I do this:

C> pkunzip a:test.zip c:

.. the files are unzipped just fine without any CRC errors.  It appears
that the COPY command may be doing something wrong.  I'm using a 360K
floppy drive that worked great off the motherboard floppy controller.

I have a 1.2 meg drive hidden somewhere and plan to try using that one
and see if it can "keep up" (???) with the controller.  For all I know,
the 360K drive may even be a 1.2 meg, but the person I bought it from
says its highly unlikely.

Does anyone have any ideas?  Does anyone know where I might be able to
download one of those "burn in" programs that test out system components
so that I can determine whether its the HD or FD?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: BANDER@finabo.abo.fi (Bo Ander)
Subject: Need jumper settings for Microscience 120Mb IDE
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:55:44 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

I am looking for jumper info for a Microscience 120 Mb drive (model 7100-20).
I need the master/slave jumper settings. I am planning to have the specified
drive as the master drive in a dual drive IDE system, where the slave would
be a 130 Mb Maxtor (model 7120).

Thanks,
Bo Ander


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From: vturner@nmsu.edu (Vaughan Turner)
Subject: ***Correction: Re: Plug VGA monitor into a MAC...
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<BvAw3M.5Dq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<VTURNER.92Sep29110648@wilma.nmsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:16:59 GMT

Sorry to bug the net again, but I got that adaptor cable and it is for
Envisio adaptors *ONLY*.  Though I'm sure it is possible to use a VGA
monitor from a Mac II series computer, I no longer know what cable or
software is required to do it...

Sorry again about my eagerness to post,

Vaughan
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From: jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: QEMM 6.03 and Cyrix 486SLC-25
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:01:24 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi, i've bought a motherboard based on the Cyrix 486SLC-25 microprocessor, I do
know this is not a true 486 but at least is faster than any 386.  Now,
i'm having problems running QEMM 6.03, my system just lock up after QEMM is
loaded.  I've tried the NOSH and the IGNOREA20 options but no results.
Now i'm using the himem.sys and emm386 combination without problems but I
want to use the QEMM manager.  It supose I should use 70ns memory in the board
but i just have 80ns memory from my other motherboard, is this a posible
reason?
Please help!

Juan Leon
jleon@usc.edu
From: wiggins@poppy.cs.odu.edu (Samuel E Wiggins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: VGA card question
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:14:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

I'm asking this for friend:

I helped him get hold of several picture viewing utilities, but setting modes
and such is hard, because _he doesn't know what card he has in his computer_.
He has an older Compaq Deskpro 286.  When he called the store which sold it
to him (who I think are also authorized to build the Compaq's they sell), they
didn't know.  So, my/his question is, I guess, where can we look on the card
to find a number or identifying trademark? (We haven't yet cracked open the
case to bother with it.)

Can anyone out there help us out?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chans@cs.curtin.edu.au (Sean Chan)
Subject: What determines the data tranf rate of a hdd??
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:13:26 GMT

Gidday All,

I have a minor problem. Previously, I had a 386DX-33 64C, 4Mb RAM,
ST3144A Segate HDD (130 Mb). Norton's SI gave my HDD a reading of
'bout 1200 kb/s, ave seek time 14.?? ns.

I changed my motherboard to a 486SX-25 (8 K internal cache), and my data
transfer rate dropped to 765 kb/s. If I disable the System ROM
Shadowing (BIOS Adv setup), I get more upper memory, but my data
transfer rate drops a to 362 kb/s. What gives??

Sean

P.S. I'm using DR-DOS, if it's relevant (and EMM386.SYS)
From: q1hl@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Nameless CS Student)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: What's low format?
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:16:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <1992Sep27.144757.4738@news.iastate.edu> txb31@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>	I always read 'low level format' in the newsgroup. Can someone tell me
>the difference between low level and high level formats?
>
>	What softwares should I use for these formats?
>
>	Once, I have used format.exe from MS-DOS to format my ST-124 hard drive 
>and it tooks half day! What's wrong with the format? Is format.exe a high level 
>format program???
>
>	Thanx for advance...

You're welcome, in advance. :-)

The low-level format is the physical division of the media on a disk
(hard or floppy) into sectors, including the creation of sector ID
fields, CRC (cyclic redundancy check) error-detection bytes, etc.
On a hard disk, it also includes the creation of a bad-sector table.

The high-level format is the creation of a directory structure and
File Allocation Table (FAT).  Bad sectors are merely marked as
unavailable in the FAT.

The MS-DOS format command acts as both high and low level formatter,
depending on media.  On a floppy disk, format performs the
low-level format, and then creates the directory and FAT.  On a
hard-disk (in the interest of speed), format only verifies the
readability of each sector (without writing ANYTHING), and then
creates the dir and FAT.  Therefore, to low-level format a hard
disk requires other software.  On most XT-class machines, the
low-level formatter is located in the BIOS (in debug, type
       g c800:5
to start the formatter.  On 286/386/486 machines, the hard-disk
controller does not normally contain a BIOS, although on many
machines built since 1991, the program is part of the motherboard
BIOS and can be accessed through the setup/diagnostics routine.
For older machines, you have to get a piece of software to do the
format- hard-drives purchased separately from the computer normally
come with such software on a support disk.

WARNING: Most machines these days are coming with IDE hard drives.
These cannot normally be low-level formatted except at the factory.
Check with your vendor to find out what you have.

Now, the problem with your day-long DOS format....  When format
is verifying the sectors on your hard disk, and it finds one that
it can't read, it attempts (generally) 5 times to read that
sector, doing a track/head reinitialization between attempts.  This
takes a LONG time.  If your hard drive was not correctly
low-level formatted for your machine, then every sector will be
bad, and DOS won't get anywhere in a big hurry.

BTW, when moving a hard drive from one machine to another, you
can normally just "plug-n-play" as long as both machines have
similar controllers (MFM, RLL, etc.), except if moving between
an XT and any 286/386/486 machine.  This is because of slight
differences in the low-level format used on the XT machine.

-- 
Chris Rasley
(your mileage may vary)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: hard drive troubles
From: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Damian Kennedy)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 03:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: kennedy_d@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <BvIqz8.42w@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v139r563@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian R. Talty) writes:
>Dear Users:  When starting up the computer each morning, the computer doesn't 
>recognize the hard drive.  It says go to CMOS setup.  I then put in the hard 
>drive type and write it to CMOS.  Then the next morning the computer
>doesn't recognize the drive. 

Try replacing the CMOS battery. Its most likley flat.


-Damian
KENNEDY_D@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ
From: ank@robosoft.riga.lv (Alexander Kirpa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: GVC9600 MNP/V.42bis problems
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:17:43 GMT
Reply-To: ank@robosoft.riga.lv
Organization: Robosoft Ltd., Riga, Latvia

>        I own a GVC 9600bps modem with V.32/V.42bis compression, but I
>don't know how to get it working. The manual has a chapter on it listed,
>but there is ABSOLUTELY NO info on it at all. I am supposed to get an
>effective 38.4K bps, but I don't get how to. ANy info would be
>appreciated, as I am going nuts here....
This modem GVC SM-96V have commant &H - help with short description
all command.
>
>                PJB
>
>Paul Bolle              pjb@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>
Alexander Kirpa         ank@robosoft.riga.lv
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: My Gateway 200 66Mhz is coming soon
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 05:24:14 GMT

The UCC is the Uniform Commercial Code.  The 30 day limitation was
mentioned in last month's Computer Shopper in their consumer
protection section in the back of the magazine.  I will type it in for
you when I go home Tuesday.

Mike
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From: brinton@icd.teradyne.com (Chris Brinton)
Subject: WD Caviar 2200 210MB ($350)
Reply-To: brinton@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:37:38 GMT


I was just at a local computer show and saw many people selling the
Western Digital Caviar 2200 for about $350. Does anyone have any 
specs for this drive? I was hesitant to buy one without any info about
it. Im particularly interested in seek time, data transfer speed and if
it has a cache (and how big). I know the specs of the Maxtor 7213A
and have been considering buying one, but they were going for about $400.

Thanks,
Chris

brinton@icd.teradyne.com
From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on buying a Cacheing IDE con
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:56:09 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

In article 20948@siesoft.co.uk, crs@siesoft.co.uk (Chris Smith) writes:
>Does anyone have any advice on buying an IDE 'controller' with onboard cache?
>How much cache is it worth having? 

The general attitude seems to be that for most uses, a cache on the disk controller is inferior in performance and flexibility (and probably cost) to a cache in main memory space.  Buy another 4 MB of RAM and run one of the many cache programs, and you'll be way ahead.
---
/Dave
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Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
voice: 716-422-3186
fax: 716-265-7133
From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Odd Monitor Discoloration Problem
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:42:39 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct02.175124.180986@zeus.calpoly.edu>, rrauenza@zeus.calpoly.edu
 (Who, Me??) writes:
>
>       I just bought a new system which includes a VGA monitor.  As I
>was checking things out on it, I noticed that if I had a red
>background, that the lower corner of the monitor was a little lighter
>than the rest of the red.  I also noticed that reorienting the monitor
>also had an effect and would cause other areas of the screen to have
>different shades (always near the edge).  It doesn't seem that the
>monitor's position matters internally, but the difference seems to be
>its orientation and position relative to my room.
>
>       I would /assume/ that it has to do with a magnetic field in my
>room.  However, I couldn't find a correlation (yet...) between its
>orientation and distance from my speakers or stereo (or anything else I
>could imagine made a difference...).  I'm not done testing, however...
>I'm going to try it in a different room.
>
>       I received the monitor yesterday, so I don't remember the
>brand name perfectly, but I believe the brand name is 'Impression'.
>
>       What I guess I am curious about is whether or not this is
>common in VGA monitors, a defect, or the sign of a cheap one?  If it's
>possible this is a defect or an obviously VERY cheap monitor, then I'd
>like to send it back within the next couple of days...
>
>Thanks in advance...
>       Rich
>
>
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Try degaussing you monitor.

George Bluhm
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From: poege@iw.uni-hannover.de (Matthias Poege)
Subject: Re: Attempting to install two harddrives
Organization: Inst. f. Werkstoffkunde
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:32:31 GMT

In article <BuqB2I.AwL@news.orst.edu> dodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stirling S. Dodd) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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>From: dodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stirling S. Dodd)
>Subject: Attempting to install two harddrives
>Message-ID: <BuqB2I.AwL@news.orst.edu>
>Sender: Erol B. Caglarcan
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> have a Gateway 486 system with an IDE hard drive. I'm trying to install a Seagate ST238R hard drive with its 16 bit RLL controller card in my Gateway. Someone has told me that they won't work together. Is this correct?
>If you know anything and can help me out, please send me mail. I'm at
>caglarcan@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu

>-- 
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In a normal way the drives doesn't work together. You need a special 
controler for using IDE and MFM (RLL). The controler cost in Germany 300 to 
400 DM. For this price you get a quicker second IDE drive.

Matthias 

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From: kkt@philabs.philips.com (Kim-Kiat Tan)
Subject: Re: CrystalScan 1572FS *and* Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro Local Bus...
Keywords: gateway 200, ATI, local bus, video, drivers, 486
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:58:53 GMT

In article <1644@cogsci.ucsd.EDU> king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King) writes:
>jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>>mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:
>>>rantapaa@s6.math.umn.edu (Erik E. Rantapaa) writes:
>>>>mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:
>>>>>They have changed the configuration of the 486DX/33 to now have 8 megs
>>>>>of RAM, 8 standard slots and 2 Local Bus slots (I may have this wrong,
>>>>>it may be 8 including 2 local bus), two IDE Local Bus controllers on
>>>>>the motherboard, 
>
>>
>>My friend also ordered a 486DX/33 from Gateway and I was surprised when 
>>she told me it will be equiped with ATI-GU-Pro on a local bus.  She 
>>ordered 2 days ago.
>
>
>The dude also said that this card would drive 1280x1024 (16 colors) at
>some not very exciting refresh rate, but didn't volunteer exactly what
>else it would do (and I, stupidly, didn't ask; I was too excited).
>
>So the *real* question is: what the heck is this ATI New Generation
>Graphics Ultra, and how can they offer it in their newer, beefier,
>cheaper package and avoid bankruptcy?
>
>The other question is: has anybody had anything bad happen to a
>CrystalScan *15*" monitor (the CrystalScan 1572FS)?  They were
>offering me one for as a $125 upgrade (!).  Is this sucker really just
>an OEMed MAG MX15F, or is mildly (or majorly) retarded in some way, as
>USA Flex's FlexVision 15" monitor is (e.g. lower vertical scan
>frequency, different controls).
>
	ATI has two new cards, the ultra + (optinonal 2MB on board) and 
the ultra pro, both do true color, the ultra plus will do true 24 bits 
color at 800*600 and 64k color at 1024 * 768. Are you sure the CrystalScan
*15* is an OEMed MAG MX15F ? I saw one CrystalScan monitor at Egghead,
I wasn't impressed (I don't know what model though). The only thing holding
back buying from Gateway is the monitor, I will prefer the MAG, so I will
get from them if the CrystalScan 1572FS is MAG. I like the Ultra pro if
it's thro' that they bundled it.