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From: scott@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Larry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Upland Bird Hunting in CO?
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:41:40 GMT
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep10.110558.17265@doug.cae.wisc.edu> wasserbu@ihlpl.att.com (Michael F Wasserburger) writes:
>  I'd like to move to the state of Colorado someday and was
>wondering what the upland bird hunting was like in that State.
>I grew up in Wisconsin, so I'm used to mediocre pheasant hunting
>and excellent woodcock and grouse hunting.  I just got a new
>English Setter Pup and I'm starting her bird dog education
>already.  I really have no idea what types of upland game are
>available in CO.  I imagine most of it would be in the eastern
>part of the State.  Can any of you CO hunters out there give
>me an idea of the quality of the various types of upland game
>hunting CO has to offer?

	Sure, Mike, that's easy to answer. If you want good bird
hunting, move to some other state than Colorado! I'm sure this will
get some flames, but I've lived and hunted in Colorado for more than
20 years, and the upland birds are really a sorry lot. Kansas and Iowa
are MUCH better pheasant hunting. On the other hand, front-range
Colorado does offer some pretty decent duck and goose hunting. You
know you have a healthy goose population when the biggest hazard on
the golf course is goose doo-doo!

	IMHO

	Larry and Hershey (the 85-lb Chocolate Mallard-Muncher)
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From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: Where's the birds?
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:42:36 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Well, dove season opened Tuesday... I got out yesterday, and so far it
looks like they needn't have bothered with a season this year... it
was fun going out, nice trip with friends, but I could have saved
myself the weight of the game vest, shells, and shotgun.  Would have
been easier to talk without hearing protection, too!  Between the
three of us, we got one (1) bird.

How is the season elsewhere?  I hadn't noticed a particularly dry
summer, though the water level in the tank we hunt was down...
Anybody have any comments?

-Joe.
From: jcrowder@morse.cns.vt.edu (Jeff Crowder)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: value of model 1100
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:44:08 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



How much is a used Remington Model 1100 semiautomatic 12 guage in fair
to good condition worth?  No rust and the stock finish looks ok.  The
action works fine except occasionally the safety fails to reset on
reload (Might this be expensive to repair?).

I don't know when it was made.  Is there an easy was to tell?

Thanks,

Jeff
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From: jtm@controls.ccd.harris.com (J T Moser)
Subject: Farmton Hunt
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:42:55 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I have a Regular Quota Hunt for Farmton, Nov 14-22, that I would like
to trade for any Achery or Muzzleload hunt at Tosohatchee.  If you
would like to trade, or know any one who would like to, I can be
reached at the following numbers:

     Work: (407) 242-4195  M-F 8am-5pm
     Home: (406) 366-6705

Also, you could send e-mail to me at jtm@ccd.harris.com.
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From: mvjh3@mvgpk.att.com (James M Hajjar)
Subject: Info. on Ithica SKB500 O/U Shotgun
Organization: AT&T
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:53:39 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I would like to get some info. on my Ithica SKB-500 over/under
shotgun.  I purchased it used in 1985 for $375.  What is this gun
currently worth??  I checked in Gun Digest, but could not find it
anywhere.  I did find SKB O/U guns, but are these made by Ithica (if
not, who?).  The new SKBs are extremely expensive ($900 - $1100).  I
use the gun for waterfowl hunting, so I am forced to shoot steel shot
(YUK!).  I have heard that shooting steel will "blow" the choke on the
gun eventually, so I am faced with two choices.

1) Have screw-in chokes fitted to the gun (I got a quote for $170 w/4 chokes)

2) Trade-in the SKB for a new automatic "duck gun" (probably a REM 1187)

Any ideas or help will be greatly appreciated - please post or email.
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Modern Muzzle loaders
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:12:58 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've been looking at muzzle loaders and I ran
across the Modern Muzzle Loading T-5 Woodsman,
50 cal, for $185. That's the best price I've
ever seen for a 'modern' muzzle loader, and
is in fact at least $75 less than their
next more expensive model. Does anyone have
any experience with these rifles?

I would prefer to use 209 shotshell primers
rather than those silly #11 caps, do any of
the muzzle loaders use shotshell primers?
(other than the Mossberg add on barrel for their
500 series shotguns)

If you are going to use saboted pistol bullets,
is the 54 caliber any better than the 50?
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu 
* for sale: Springfield Armory Factory Comp, 38 Super, +3 mags. All new
* in box (never fired at all).  $650 or best offer over $600 as of Sep 30.
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From: chris@unt.edu (chris gleaves)
Subject: Looking for Dove recipes
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:02:06 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

  Now that Dove season has opened, and I have a few birds to cook, what
is everyone's favorite way to do thier dove?

chris
chris@unt.edu

"Tell me if you can, cuz life is so hard to understand,
 Why's the rich man busy dancin', while the poor man pays the band?"
From: z_hansonde@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: RE: TX WMA s(Houston Area)
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:53:57 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Chris, I have a 870- Express and killed a deer last year with buckshot
at 50 yds-but if youre interested in Type -2 in Nach I live here and
could put you up a nite or 2- How did you do at doves?

David-SFA W/b E-Mail!?
From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Private property, common law and hunter trespassing?
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:54:06 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I have been catching many different opinions of this subject matter
>from both hunters, and the Michigan DNR.  Seems that there is some sort
of court statute in regards to recreational use of private property,
in which if the land is not posted, planted or fenced you can hunt it.

Does anyone know the full bull on this subject matter or anything that
can help shed light on it?  (trespassing laws or precedent cases)

swood

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From: jeffc@hpsadm5.sad.hp.com (Jeff Crowell)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: value of model 1100
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:13:13 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

A Remington 1100 in the condition you describe should go in the upper
300's to low 400's, I'd say.

I've owned one for 15 years now (ye gods! has it been that long?),
I've put somewhere around 10,000 rounds thru it without a whimper,
between hunting and shooting trap/skeet competitively (that is to say,
the gun hasn't whimpered ;-)

I must admit to being a bit puzzled about your 'safety failing to
reset on reloading' comment.  Could you amplify? Personally, I tend to
shy away from weapons with malfunctioning safeties--or deduct the cost
of repairs from what I'm willing to pay.



My $.02. Your mileage may vary.

Jeff


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From: jwforce@anagld.analytics.com (James W. Force)
Subject: Hunting deer with 223?
Organization: Analytics, Inc. (Columbia, Maryland)
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:43:41 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: 223 Deer


	Has anyone had any experiences hunting white tail deer
with a 223 round?  I know of 65 (+/-) gr. SP and HP bullets
available on the market.  If so, which bullet type (HP/SP) 
would be the better choice.  Should this calibar not even be
considered for hunting small deer??  All comments appreciated.


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From: rgass@yesac.columbiasc.NCR.COM ("Roy.Gass")
Subject: Re: Where's the birds?
Organization: NCR Corp
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:01:47 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep8.074236.28926@doug.cae.wisc.edu> pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu writes:
>Well, dove season opened Tuesday... I got out yesterday, and so far it
>looks like they needn't have bothered with a season this year... it
>was fun going out, nice trip with friends, but I could have saved
>myself the weight of the game vest, shells, and shotgun.  Would have
>been easier to talk without hearing protection, too!  Between the
>three of us, we got one (1) bird.
>
>How is the season elsewhere?  I hadn't noticed a particularly dry
>summer, though the water level in the tank we hunt was down...
>Anybody have any comments?
>
>-Joe.


Season opened here Saturday (S.C.). I got my limit fairly quickly.
If desired, could've probably shot all day.

Based on conversations, it should be a productive year locally.

roy.


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From: ut-emx!shawn@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Shawn Boyd)
Subject: Re: Smelly Ol' Bears
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:42:28 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Sep2.065522.28288@doug.cae.wisc.edu> boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.061845.26173@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu (Mike Marler) writes:
>>
>>[Bear odor] tends to remind me of the smell of skunk.

 Yes.  Bears do stink.  They smell kind of like a weak scented Javelina.
 (Similar to skunk, but with a kind of "rusty" smell mixed in somehow.)
 I'm not sure if this is due to a glandular secretion as it is in the case
 of Javelinas, or if comes from hygenic (dys)functions... :-) but it does 
 smell very much the same (but a lot weaker).

 The bears I had the dubious privelege of smelling (when they woke me up
 in the next camp enjoying the donuts our tinderfoot neighbors had left out)
 did smell like urine come to think of it.

>>-- 
>>Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
>>Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
>>Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
>>
>	My wife and I were hiking down a narrow canyon in the Gila
>  Wilderness a few years ago, and we kept catching little "whiffs"
>  of something *REALLY* rank.

 Yep... pretty bad, try a "little whiff" of eau d' Javeleeen.

>  -Bob

 Shawn


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From: spickett@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steve Pickett)
Subject: Re: Hunting in California
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:42:46 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug28.112437.24751@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mesrx!web037@uunet.UU.NET (Bill Braden) writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.072912.13550@doug.cae.wisc.edu> smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul) writes:
>>        If more areas were open to hunting and shooting legally, there
>>probably wouldn't be so many drive-by and freeway shootings.  
>
>Outragous statment.  I will not add to the flame on this one but it
>deseves all the heat it gets.
>

This is the most insulting and ignorant statement I've read in recent
times.  I completetly agree with Bill in that I hope whoever said it
is recieving plenty of flames. He DESERVES them! One can only wonder
what this person does for fun when he can't find a range to shoot at.


>>Why don't they provide more places for hunting and shooting legally?  
>>Give the law abiding shooters who buy licenses a break. 

One large reason there aren't more places to shoot is because some of
those law abiding shooters made a habit of bringing their trash with
them for targets. Dumped it in the shooting area, shot it up, and went
home. In short, legal shooting area =aka= dump. The forest service had
no option other than close area after area. Now that they've seen what
people do when they get a place to shoot they're not too interested in
opening any more.


-Steve
From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: 175 gr Barnes-X & .340
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:12:46 GMT
Organization: U of AK - Fairbanks
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Having seen 175 gr. Barnes-X bullets advertized in the .33 caliber
diameter, and thinking about reloading it, does anybody know how I
might obtain reloading data on it for the .340 Weatherby?

I think I might end up with a 3300-3400 fps bullet that is extremely
flat shooting - possibly for sheep.  I was thinking of starting with
IMR 4831 (80 gr and working up), or IMR 4350 (78 gr and working up),
Federal 215 primers, and these new bullets.  I don't relish the
thought of starting to work up a load from scratch, but if I can't get
data for the .340, I might have to.

Does Barnes distribute reloading data for their bullets?  If so, how
might I get copies?

Thanks for any help you might provide.

Randy
sxrmh1@orca.alaska.edu
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From: redelen@slate.Mines.Colorado.EDU (EDELEN RANDY G )
Subject: Recommendation thanks
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:43:14 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



	First off I would like to thank all who replied to my original
post on recommendations for a rifle,scope and shotgun. I recieved many
helpful suggestions and then took my final decisions to my uncle (who
just happens to be an armorer-don't you feel jealous :<):<):>)) who
placed the order for me.  He advised against the Browning BPS and
advised either a Remington 870 or 1100.  I chose the 870 because of
the versatility of barrel length, etc.  I like the construction (no
screws) and ease of takedown for cleaning (if only the apartment was
as clean as my guns) both are much better than my roomate's vintage
50's M12.  For a rifle I chose a Winchester M70 in .308 topped
(soonly) with a Leupold Vari-XIII 3.5-10.  The choice was made on
asthetics as I could see no diffrence in the M70 and the Remington
700's besides personal preferance in looks and the fact that everybody
has a 700.  Caliber choice was made on economics as well as
application- the .308 is cheaper than the 7mm Mag I considered while
still fulfilling most of my needs.  cheaper ammo = more bang(s) for
the buck
	Here is a summary of what I got:

		Shotgun
			Remington 870 Magmum, 12 guage, 30" barrel, full
                        choke, used, price $335 

		Rifle
			Winchester Model 70 Featherweight .308, new ~$450 

		Scope
			Leupold Vari-XIII 3.5-10x, new ~$310

	I need to rely on the infinite wisdom of the net once again,
because my shotgun is used I do not know if it is safe to use with
steel shot.  I would like to use the long barrel and full choke for
waterfowl and when the budget permits get a 26" barrel with the Rem
chokes for upland game.  Any info on the barrel or where I can find
out (Remington, gun shop, etc.) will be greatly appreciated.  If
needed I can provide some truly wonderful ascii pics of the barrel
stamps.

randy
From: adam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Adam Rosham)
Subject: Xi magnum legend
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:05:41 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Does anyone out there have any experience shooting the
xi magnum legend. I am at considering buying one but I have heard that
there are problems in tuning it. Has anyone had any good or bad
experiences in tuning this bow?
Thanks in advance.
Adam Rosham.

Adam Rosham - adam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au="Oh Pointy Birds, Oh Pointy Pointy
Melbourne University, Melbourne Australia. = Anoint My Head, Anointy Nointy."
ph: (03) 853-9720                          = Steve Martin (T.M.W.T.B's)


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From: james@csn.org (Jim Phillips)
Subject: Re: Upland Bird Hunting in CO?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:52:10 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep11.074207.2859@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mailrus!gatech!col.hp.com!kd4nc.ampr.org!hp-col!fleck@uunet.UU.NET (Dave Fleck) writes:
>Mike,
>
>There isn't a whole lot of upland  game  hunting  here....  There is a
>strong grouse  population, but that is mainly west of the  Continental
>divide.  That would  include  Blue  Grouse and Sage.  The  seasons for
>those  birds  just  opened.  As far  as  pheasant,  I have  yet to see
>anything on good populations of birds.  They would definetly be in the
>eastern  sections  of CO.  near the  Kansas  border.  When it comes to
>other  birds like ducks and geese we have 2 flyways and a fair  amount
>of  access.  You can't beat the Big game  hunting  in very many  other
>places!
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Dave Fleck                              Hewlett-Packard Co.  Colorado Springs
>Internet: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com           Information Technology Center

Hi Dave,

Thanks for bringing up the grouse issue. I have been going back home
to do all of my upland hunting since moving here from Kansas/Missouri.
That's a long drive though and I have been considering trying some local
grouse hunting.  I have only read about grouse hunting and I would 
appreciate any info you care to share with us about the how, where, and
when of Colorado grouse hunting.

Thanks
james

BTW - There is also some, I say some, dove hunting out here too.  However 
it seems that we get a week of wet and cold weather just before opening day.  


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Upland Bird Hunting in CO?
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:40:54 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep10.110558.17265@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    wasserbu@ihlpl.att.com (Michael F Wasserburger) writes:
 
>  I'd like to move to the state of Colorado someday and was
>wondering what the upland bird hunting was like in that State.
 
Include waterfowl hunting in Colorado in your report too....
 
thanks,
 
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From: wasserbu@ihlpl.att.com (Michael F Wasserburger)
Subject: Upland Bird Hunting in CO?
Organization: AT&T
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:05:58 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



  I'd like to move to the state of Colorado someday and was
wondering what the upland bird hunting was like in that State.
I grew up in Wisconsin, so I'm used to mediocre pheasant hunting
and excellent woodcock and grouse hunting.  I just got a new
English Setter Pup and I'm starting her bird dog education
already.  I really have no idea what types of upland game are
available in CO.  I imagine most of it would be in the eastern
part of the State.  Can any of you CO hunters out there give
me an idea of the quality of the various types of upland game
hunting CO has to offer?

Thanks!

Mike Wasserburger
wasserbu@ihlpl.att.com


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: chris@lightnin.columbiasc.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: rifle recommendations
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:43:23 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: .30-06

   A couple of days ago I posted a recommendation for a .30-06 in
response to a posting on the net.  I stated that I chose a .30-06
because of its' versatility: using 180 gr. bullets in the woods and 55
gr. bullets in the fields.  I did not mean to imply that I use 55gr.
bullets for deer hunting.  I *do not* recommend 55 gr. for deer.  I
have used this bullet successfully at long distances ( > 175 yds ),
but that was for coyotes.

   I apologize for a misleading post, but I still recommend .30-06 for
deer hunting.  I personally use 150 gr. silvertips.


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From: psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Shooting Ranges (Portland/Beaverton)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:43:05 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu



Hi,

  Just wondering if anyone in the Portland/Beaverton area could recommend 
  a good shooting range to use.  Do any local ranges have 200 yard benches?

  Thanks,

  Paul Silva
  psilva@agora.rain.com




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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: value of model 1100
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:52:33 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep11.074408.2929@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
jcrowder@morse.cns.vt.edu (Jeff Crowder) writes:
 
>How much is a used Remington Model 1100 semiautomatic 12 guage in fair
>to good condition worth?  No rust and the stock finish looks ok.  The
>action works fine except occasionally the safety fails to reset on
>reload (Might this be expensive to repair?).
 
 
I wouldn't go more than about $150 - $200 for it (that's about what
I saw some auctioned off went for last year).
 
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From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Dove Recipes
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:44:38 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Boy, I don't know about this...  I went dove hunting once only, and
afterwards, I tried to cook up the doves.  I boned it out completely,
leaving just the breasts, then breaded them up with seasoned Italian 
bread crumbs and pan fried 'em.  The breast halves looked like little
"Dove McNuggets", but they tasted pretty lousy.  I guess I'd eat 'em
if I was starving, but the only reason I choked 'em down was because
my nephew had been hunting with me and I was trying to drive home the
"eat what you shoot" point.  I haven't hunted them since.
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