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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Japan to get country's 1st Woodie
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:19:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct9.201941.433
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

RCCA/TOGO will debut Japan's FIRST wooden coaster in  
1993.  John Pierce will design, and Mike Black will 
build the ride in the states, and then ship it in full
overseas for construction under RCCA supervision.  
Japanese steel monders TOGO will provide the ride's mechanical 
and electrical systems, as well as all the steel components,
and will be providing the project mgmt.
    
No disclosure on the location or design specifics yet, but a 
"Cyclone-ish" Twister design is heavily rumored.  Look for the
RCCA/TOGO booth at the IAAPA Convention next month in Dallas, TX.


Buck
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Knoebel's Phall Phunfest comments
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:28:52 GMT
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: wjf@rs2


In article <hm1z8#g@rpi.edu>, xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
|> writes:
|> In article <1992Oct13.201938.2542@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu
|> (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
|> >Of course, they did open the Jet Star, which didn't appear to be
|> on the original list of rides operating for the day, so I can't
|> complain too much (this was the first time I'd ever ridden one of
|> these, and I can't understand why ACE doesn't allow them as coasters).
|> 
|> ACE does count them as coasters.  Jet Stars are listed in Guide
|> To Ride and the 1992 North American Coaster Census.
|> -- 
|> Joe Schwartz (xor@acm.rpi.edu)

I thought that ACE will be publishing a new and updated census sometime
soon that will include a listing of *all* currently operating coasters
in the US.  This list is supposed to include all smaller coasters
including all Jet Stars, Wild Mouses, Wild Cats, etc. which are coasters
and recognized by ACE as coasters, but have previously been missing, in
any complete list of coasters.  I also thought that ACE was producing
or had produced a list of *all* known coasters.  I know that there have
been several ACEers producing this list over the many years (other then
Richard Munch's poster).  If I remember correctly, back in the early
days I was asked to participate, but I felt I was too new and because I
lived in Florida, did not have access to information I would need to do
a good job, so I declined, instead to concentrate my efforts on my
video coaster list.


	Bill "bring on the lists" Figie
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: SHOCKWVAE heads south!
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:53:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Oct9.185321.27743
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

It's official -- The SHOCKWAVE Intamin
stand-up coaster is leaving SFGAd (NJ)
at the years end and heading down to
SFAstroworld for 1993.  The ride is
part of Six Flags "Ride Rotation"
program, and was moved to SFGAd in
1990 from SFMM.


Buck
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: 2nd BATMAN!! - was Re: SH
Date: 16 Oct 1992 17:00:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Ah Ya, ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch. Um, Rolling Thunder ist
ein grosses Misthaufen!  Ya dass ist gut.  

Um back to English.  yeah, I was upset about not getting the seat
of my choice in Disney World.  We had neat arguments with the
ride ops when we tried to get the back seat on Big Thunder Mt.
It's always fun to act like other foreigners(no offence intended
here, but some people do this) who act like they don't understand
English in order to get in the place they want.  It's fun.

That's one thing I've noticed about Disney more so than in other
places.  Every vivist you WILL have someone foreign try to cut in
fron of you in line, and their excuse being they can't speak English.
Just a trend I've noticed.

Mike "no qoute today" Cornell
From: cehagen@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Christopher E. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Kennywood Kangaroo description & more old rides questions
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:21:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:

>a car from the arm of a Scrambler. Each car has a wheel on the bottom, and
>the car faces forward in the direction of motion (counter-clockwise). The
>cars roll along the ground in a circle, except that at one point there is
>a ramp that is about 6 feet high, and the cars roll up the ramp, fall off
>the end, and the hydraulic arm brings them (relatively) gently to the
>ground, where they continue around the circle. If you like airtime, this
>is a fun ride. If you don't hold on, you get launched quite nicely at the
>top of the ramp.


  They still have one of these at Americana, across the walkway from the Whip
and the rollerocaster.


-chris
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:07:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccd.1992Oct16.200721.1053
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: wjf@rs2


In article <1992Oct16.151006.29818@sei.cmu.edu>, mapike@sei.cmu.edu
 (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
|> More unique rides:
|> 
|> Kennywood has this very old ride called simply Auto Race. It's basically a
|> wooden platform with a track cut into it, so that the cars run on the
|> track sitting about 2 feet (I think) below the platform. The cars go very
|> fast, much faster than most of the antique car-type rides.
|> 
|> There is a horserace ride somewhere (Cedar Point?) that I've never had the
|> chance to ride...Looks like an up-side-down carousel, if I remember
|> correctly (horses controlled from the bottom). The horses seem to go very
|> fast.

The Auto Race is indeed a classic ride at Kennywood.  I don't remember ever
seeing them anyplace else I have ever visited.  These used to be a very
popular ride.  If you look at old amusement park books there are lots of
these type rides to be seen.  I think I remember a picture of Harry Traver
with a ride like this.  It was a blast to ride and really does click along
at a good pace.

The other ride you are talking about is one of the true classics.  It is
called the Steeplechase ride and there are only 3 left in the whole world. 
I think it was built by Harry Traver.  They really get to going and the
horses move forward and backwards instead of up and down.  Unfortunately
they are quite the endangered species.  The one at Cedar Point has been
slowed to what I think is about half speed.  They don't have their horses
racing (going back and forth) either.  The one at Rye Playland used to be
very good. But from the pictures a friend showed me last week, they have
also slowed it down due to wear and tear and they also don't race them. 
Even with it slowed down, it is awsome to watch the attendants ride the
thing standing up and jumping on an off of it.  The third, and last one, is
at Blackpool Pleasure Beach in England.  I haven't ridden it in about 7
years now but it use to run real good with the horses racing and what I
thought was full speed.  I you ever get close enough to ride one, I suggest
you do before they all are sold for scrap.

	Bill "take a spin for me, but hang on" Figie
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags over Texas Op. Schedule
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:51:16 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Benjamin H. Cowan writes:

>  I'm going to Texas in a couple of weeks.  I have a SFoGeorgia 
>season pass and I know it's good at all SF's this year.  I was 
>wondering what SFoT's operating schedule is for what's left of the 
>'92 season (dates and closing times).  Also, I need directions to 
>the park from the DFW airport.

Well, SFoT is open weekends until sometime in January.  Hours
are 10am til ???  (either 8 or 6pm, I forget).  SFoT is located
on I-30 between Dallas and Ft. Worth.  I forget the airport
route, but basically go East until you hit I-35, and follow
that south to I-30.  It's about a 30 minute drive from the Airport
to the park.

I don't know if you've used your SF season pass at another park, but 
it needs to be processed at GUEST RELATIONS, not thru the normal
season pass entrance!


Have fun,
Buck
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Walt Disney World coming attractions
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:06:55 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure

This info comes to you hot from rec.arts.disney.

snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes concerning a press
conference this past weekend at which Judson Green, president of Walt
Disney Attractions outlined the coming stuff for Walt Disney World:

>  o Expansion of Walt Disney Animation Florida, at Disney-MGM studios, which
>    by 1993 will more than double its team of animators and enlarge its studio
>    facility for work on a feature film made entirely in Florida.
>  o Construction of Disney-MGM's Sunset Boulevard, featuring the Twilight Zone
>    Tower of Terror.
>  o Revamping of the Magic Kingdom's Tomorrowland with a new "Alien Encounter"
>    adventure.
>  o An updated Starjets fly-around adventure.
>  o High tech additions to "Carousel of Progress"
>
>  Other Disney plans include development of the town of Celebration;
>construction of woodland retreats in a national park lodge setting at Fort
>Wilderness Lodge and the All-Star Sports and Music Resorts near Disney-MGM;
>development of a third water park based on the success of Typhoon Lagoon and
>River Country; and creation of the Disney Institute, a cultural vacation
>focused on the arts, fitness and learning.

For the full article, see rec.arts.disney.

Geoff ``Roving reporter'' Allen

p.s. The ``Tower of Terror'' is the 13-story free fall that Disney is
     building.

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Disneyland is going to be a place where you can't
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  get lost or tired unless you want to.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \                    -- Walt Disney, 1953
From: hanke@CS.ColoState.EDU (brandon laine hanke)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Wood Coaster Info WANTED
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:56:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Oct12.165608.93354
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Last friday night while watchin the intro to "Step By Step" my dad commented
on the roller coaster shown in the introl.  He wanted to know what kind of 
wood is used to build wooden roller coasters.  He said that it didn't look
like hardwood, but more like pine.  Then he made the statement how many
board feet of lumber is in the average wooden coaster.  This intrests him
since he comes from a family of carpenters.  

Thanks for the info in advance.

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B  B  R  R  A  A  NN  N  D  D  O   O  NN  N
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From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Rollercoaster Videos?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 17:33:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I know this IS NOT what you're looking for, but when I was 10
or so, I remember a science show for kiddies called 321-Contact!
Weel one of the episodes had a neato thing on designing coasters.
It went to the Arrow factory and showed all of the stages for 
design.  From the sketches, to the small scale model to the 
1/4 size model to the final ride.  It was pretty cool.

Mike Cornell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags Policies (was Re: Coaster Names)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 01:33:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) says:

>As for KD not letting you ride the Rebel Yell in whatever seat you
>want, I think they don't have the room for it.  There's no room
>in the station.  It's been a while since I've been to KI so correct
>me if I'm wrong, but I think the Racer has a bit more room in the 
>station.
>
>The problem I have with Six flags is, these are NEW coasters,
>they insist on makeing stations which do not allow you to sit 
>where you want.

I'm not sure of the difference between the Rebel Yell's and Racer's station
sizes, but they didn't seem that much different to me.  Perhaps the Racer
is a little larger...  It would be strange if the Rebel Yell's station were
smaller, though, since the Racer is the older ride (it's 20 years old now).
It can get cramped in the Racer's station, but they don't care.  And since
you get the seat you want, it's worth it.  
 
>I didn't mind the GASM, it's
>just in the WORST location known to man, next to the parking lot.
>The commercials they showed, were of the Shockwave in Great 
>America, and gave me the imprssion that it ran by the lake.  

You must not have ridden the Shockwave at Great America, then.  It's
actually _in_ the parking lot!  They closed off part of the parking lot,
put about a mile-long catwalk out to the ride (so the service vehicles can
still drive around underneath), and placed the coaster above the concrete. 
The parking-space lines are still there, too.  Tacky!  To get back into the
park, you have to walk about two miles on another catwalk.

Batman is pretty much the only reason to visit the park.  But it is a good
reason, that's for sure.
-- 
_________________         David "Buddy" Johnson         _________________
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   looking for    \       "The Beast is always        /  seems to have." 
    something...   \       lurking in ambush."       /     -Mudhoney
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: "Christopher E. Hagen" <cehagen@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Seats: you choose vs. they choose (Re: 2nd BATMAN!! - was Re: SHOCKWVAE heads south!)
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:18:32 -0500

  Kings Island:

      Beast: You choose
      King Cobra: You Choose
      The Racers: You Choose
      The Vortex: Depends on how crowded they are
      The Beastie: You choose
      Adventure express: No choice
      

-chris
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Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Summary: A simulator in the Northeast.
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:24:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.182727.15657@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
 (much discussion deleted)
>Where are all of these good
>simulators that you're talking about? I've never seen one in any of the
>amusement parks in the North/East.
>
For Mary Ann and others out there in coaster land,
There is at least one fixed location simulator in the Northeast region, and I
don't recall seeing any discussion on it recently. It is called the
Tour of the Universe, and resides in the base of the CNN tower at the
Toronto waterfront. Reportedly, this simulator was the one that sold Disney
people on the technology that led to Star Wars at Disney parks. I did it a 
few years ago, and it was pretty cute. The buildup to the actual ride was
almost more fun than the simulation itself. I remember it taking a while, so
I guess it helps take your mind off waiting. I especially enjoyed getting
innoculated by lasers for Martian influenza and other cosmic maladies. Best
yet is that I believe it is still in operation, and would be worth a stop when
in the area. Toronto is pretty cool as a city, too.

Tom.



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From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster Names
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:55:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry I forgot the description for

E - well it's supposed to confuse people and make them wonder

if someone could compile these names and take them to the industry
we could hopefully stop the practice of having 20 rides with the
same name across the country.  It's gonna happen, but it happens
TOO much.  Thanx in advance, and PLEASE contribute your own names.

Mike "The Coaster-Namer" Cornell
From: paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Disney stuff (was Re: A simulated coaster ride)
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:43:05 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1bd850INNpai@fido.asd.sgi.com>, curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel) writes:
> 
> Sure.  In fact they've announced "Discovery Mountain" which will be
> built at EuroDisney.  It will contain multiple inversions and a
> corkscrew.  Plus the ride begins with the riders being "shot out of a
> canon into space" to quote Tony Baxter, the head man for EuroDisney.
> So, a Lighting Loops style launch up hill perhaps?  The ride is indoors
> in a doomed building, like Space Mountain, and the artist's rendering
       ^^^^^^
Doomed or domed???

An interesting mistype while some regard the entire concept of EuroDisney as
doomed to failure!

Paul
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:47:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) says:

>
>
>Now that I have clarified several points, I want to agree with Geoff
>about the fact that this is not a great simulator but easily
>accessable because it is handy.  Questor is my favorite, next Star
>Tours, next is the Showscan (I think Intamin was associated with this
>also), Iwerks Turbo Theater, Body Wars, then Omni Vision.  Haven't
>ridden Mission Bermuda Triangle yet.  If you ever get to Las Vegas, in
>the basement of Excalibur they have a Showscan simulator that shows
>some coaster footage.  Not bad.
>
>   Bill "this sure did take up a lot of my time editing this" Figie
>

Have you tried "Back to the Future" at USF?  I have been on Questor and an SR2
And I liked BttF by Intamin much better.

-- 
Kevin Russell 	
				"Read my lips, no more inflammatory messages"
				me
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Schwarzkopf's coasters in Germany
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:01:09 GMT

>Maybe others here can help with locations of Schwarzkopf coasters in
>Germany.  My understanding is that they're located at many of the fairs.
>His coasters tend to be compact, with loops and lots of twisting inside
>a small area.  I've seen photos of the Olympia Looping (with 5 loops
>colored and arranged like the circles of the Olympic logo) and the
>Thriller, but don't recall the cities whose fairs were supposed to have
>them.  Buck mentioned in e-mail that the Thriller is for sale.
>
>Anybody have some more helpful info for Thorsten?

Thorsten and others...

Check the following German fairs for the MAJOR Schwarzkopf
coasters:

o Stutgartt Fair
o Oktoberfest
o Dusseldorf Fair

Most of the major Schwarzkopf coasters are owned by Herr Barth.
He usually rents them  out to the major fairs in Germany, but
they're getting quite "old" to the Germany public now, and Herr
Barth has many of them for sale (His Doppel Looping, Olympia
Looping, Hymalaya Bahn, and Thriller are (were?) all for sale),
looking to replace them with new attractions.


On a different note, Thorsten, you don't happen to personally
know German ACEer Ralph Altenhofen, do you?  He's a friend of mine.
Say "Guten Tag" for me if you run into him.


Tchuess,
Herr Buckmeister
From: mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:32:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct13.203216.3388
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

If they did indeed have the auction at Conneaut Lake already, does anyone
know what happened to the Tumble Bug? I understand that there are only 2
others operating in the country (one at Kennywood). There used to be one
at West View; I don't know what happened to it when they tore down the
park.

West View was a great park for old rides. In addition to the Tumble Bug, 
it had a 

1) Whip.  Kennywood's is the only other one that I know of, except for the 
   small one at Conneaut Lake)

2) Suspended sailplane ride - you could move the rudder to make the plane
   go in and out (or dive and rise, depending on how you look at it). 
   The only other one I've seen is at King's Island.

3) Caterpillar - complete circle of cars with a cover that came over the
   entire train during the ride, with a blower at one point underneath. I
   don't know of any of these still operating, and West View had actually
   removed theirs before they closed.

Also, I have never seen anything like Kennywood's Kangaroo anywhere else.
Is this a unique ride? What other old rides are coming close to extinction?

Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    
Software Engineering Institute          
Carnegie-Mellon University              
Pittsburgh PA
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster Names
Date: 16 Oct 1992 17:48:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


TNT -I like it
how about
BOMB - Beyond Our Mortal Brain(or something like that)

BTW...I will not be posting until next Wednesday..I got FALL BREAK!
So if anyone asks me something, don't expect an immedidate responce.

Mike "not going to SFGAd over break" Cornell
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Six Flags Policies (was Re: Coaster Names)
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:15:37 GMT

>Have any of you ridden the Coney Island Cyclone backwards?  
>I recall seeing TV ads for Astroland a long time ago (10+ 
>years?) where they said that it ran backwards on a certain 
>day or after a certain time.  I never got a chance to try it, 
>but I imagine it was a unique experience.

The Coney Island Cyclone ran backwards in 1987 for it's
60th Birthday.  It was also when they modified the lap
bars with more padding, and undfortunately left them this
way when the cars were turned around forward!  8^(


B.
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