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From: SPGJAF@CMSA.Berkeley.Edu (Joseph A. Faracchio)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:50:34 PST
Organization: UC Berkeley (TCPIP)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmsa.berkeley.edu

We are doing a joint study here at UC Berkeley.  I am not involved in this,
but what I understand is that there's a half-dozen
or so ISDN lines coming into the machine room and some people
are running it in their campus offices  and others are testing it
from home.   BUT the home locations have to be the SAME switching/exchange
office as this campus (I.E. a prefix like 845 that is in the same 642/643
exchange branch.)
 
SIGH... My home is in the next switch over (527) and didn't qualify...
 
The implication here is that they STILL can't / won't supply inter-office
ISDN lines.
 
But we wouldn't be looking at it if it wasn't promised for the future.
A great many faculty live near me in the 527 prefix area. (Kensington/Berkeley)
           cheers .. joe.f.
Alas I'm not holding my breath on it though!
From: tli@cisco.com (Tony Li)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:46:12 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Inc., Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com

In article <16B63B49D.SPGJAF@CMSA.Berkeley.Edu> SPGJAF@CMSA.Berkeley.Edu (Joseph A. Faracchio) writes:
    The implication here is that they STILL can't / won't supply inter-office
    ISDN lines.
     
Not necessarily.  It is also possible that your switch doesn't support ISDN
or that they were not willing to pay to establish another Centrex on your
switch.

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  profundity; also : vast moral depravity 3 a Border Intermediate System
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:01:32 GMT
Followup-To: ba.internet
Distribution: ba
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognition.pa.dec.com
In-reply-to: pascal@netcom.com's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:42:17 GMT

>Interestingly enough, not a whole lot was said about ISDN at InterOp, at least
>on the trade floor, and ethernet and FDDI were the big players. This, too, is
>expected to change ...

ISDN has been vaporware for so long now that folks who were waiting for it
have mostly moved to other technology (56K ADN and other things that you can
get "now").  It used to be that you could only get ISDN if you were near the
Palo Alto South or Redwood City central offices, and that even if so connected,
you could only make ISDN calls to other ISDN circuits at the same central
office -- thus I could not call Palo Alto from Redwood City; I could only
call Redwood City from Redwood City.  Pac Bell was willing to sell me a T1
circuit from Redwood City to Palo Alto if I wanted to make such ISDN calls,
but they were not willing to pay for such a link themselves since their billing
system and corporate politics just wouldn't support it.

That's all changing.  The Palo Alto/Hamilton Ave central office now has ISDN,
and Pac Bell has installed their own inter-CO T1 lines to support inter-CO
traffic.  It is now possible to make a call between Redwood City, Palo Alto
South, Palo Alto/Hamilton Avenue, Moutain View, and Sunnyvale.  Their billing
system seems to be able to handle ISDN lines now.  Life may be getting better.

Note, though, that ISDN is a technological nightmare.  The specification for
it is as big as that for ADA or X.400; it has most of X.25 built into it; there
are chips for framing it but the protocol-level support takes most of a megabit
ROM chip.  In other words, this thing is a real turkey.  It's better than 9600
or even 14400 analog lines, as Richard points out; however, products that can
deal with the complexity of this protocol are going to be: (1) expensive, (2)
slow to market, and (3) buggy.

If you are looking for a short-term medium-speed solution, get 56K ADN.  ISDN
is coming, but it's not here yet.
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
Newsgroups: ba.internet
From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht)
Subject: Re: wanted: flat rate SLIP account in bay area
Supersedes: <C1HF4E.5tw@wsrcc.com>
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:47:26 GMT

Just a quick correction to my previous posting.  The contact I
mentioned in the last posting was afraid of getting buried under a
flood of mail from folks.  So I've taken his name off the posting.

If you want more info feel free to send me mail though.

>>I'm looking for a flat rate SLIP account in the bay area. It's for just
>>one person (not a company) in the 415 area code (in Los Altos Hills, if
>>that makes a difference). Local phonecalls a *HUGE* plus.
>
>The little-garden-net is a slip/cslip/ppp co-op to the internet.
>Current dialup fees are $70/mo, (you also supply the modems and phone
>lines). The two POPs are in San Francisco and Palo Alto.
>
>I just joined the Palo Alto POP and there are currently 6 spare modem
>ports on the router.  I don't know about the SF POP.

-wolfgang
-- 
Wolfgang Rupprecht    wolfgang@wsrcc.com (or) decwrl!wsrcc!wolfgang
Snail Mail:           39469 Gallaudet Drive, Fremont, CA 94538-4511
Newsgroups: ba.internet
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:45:59 GMT

In article <5437@aria.Ascend.COM> marc@aria.Ascend.COM
	(Marco S Hyman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.021458.24980@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes:
> > As an "island" service only.  I can order ISDN in my part of San
> > Francisco, but I can't even talk to someone less than two miles away.
> > Technically, ISDN won't really be "here" until something like 1997.
>
>Say what?  This rumor (urban legend??) is so persistant...

I should have been more explicit.  By "talk" I meant 64Kb/s clear
data end-to-end, not voice.

Sorry about that!

					-=EPS=-
From: tli@cisco.com (Tony Li)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:24:29 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com
Keywords: ISDN packet 64k multiplex modem obsolete

In article <1993Jan23.021238.21407@informix.com> johng@informix.com (John Galloway) writes:
    Actually I have hard that the tarrif is asking for a service offering
    date around May (which since was just, or is just about to be, submitted
    to the PUC, is a pretty agressive aproval schedule).
    Howerver, this will offer ISDN on a standard business line, all usage
    will be measured.  Residential ISDN, (with zone2 unmeasured service just
    like a POTS line is (2nd hand from the ISDN product manager at Pac Bell)
    still about 1-2 years away.

Actually, I believe that you can pretty much order ISDN right now.  And the
price is affordable, but you end up setting up your own Centrex group to
get it set up.  This may not be a problem if you're intending to connect to
a single other site, such as your Internet connectivity provider.

The REAL problem is that there is not yet a tarrif for ISDN repeater
service.  This means that you have to be within some 27db loss (something
like 18000ft) of your local wire center.  This is a problem.
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  profundity; also : vast moral depravity 3 a Border Intermediate System
From: kwdelon@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (delong kenneth w)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Summary: I'd like online TV guide
Keywords: ISDN packet 64k multiplex modem obsolete
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:58:18 GMT
Expires: 4 Feb 93 17:58:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sandia National Laboratories

In article <1993Jan22.184217.8922@netcom.com> pascal@netcom.com (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
>
>So it looks like we're finally going to get serious networking services at
>home ... and the possible business niches that offer themselves are numerous.
>Data services, digital phonebooks for entire areas, video data transmission
>that may render fax obsolete and give color reproduction a needed jolt, all
>sorts of neat stuff.
>


What I'd love to see is an online TV guide, that is searchable by
keywords or at least by program name.  Then I could just print out
the schedule of all the volleyball and Star Trek shows in a week, and
not worry about the rest!

Ken DeLong
From: tli@cisco.com (Tony Li)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: 23 Jan 1993 07:30:07 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com

In article <1993Jan23.033913.26099@netcom.com> rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes:
    Finally, National ISDN-1 is the US standard, and is incompatible with
    the European CCITT/ISO ISDN standard.  
    If you want to blame someone, blame ATT, who has screwed up the
    standards, and customer groups fighting number identification.

And blame each and every country that has decided to have its own
per-country variant of ISDN.  This is a clear case where the standards
process has been abysmal.  Can you say homologation?  This is driving the
cost of international ISDN products up, and consumers end up paying for it.

The number identification issue isn't as bad as you make out.  While it
WOULD have been a convenient mechansim for providing calling-party
authentication, there is more than one way to skin a cat...

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  immeasurably deep gulf or great space  b : intellectual or spiritual 
  profundity; also : vast moral depravity 3 a Border Intermediate System
Newsgroups: ba.internet
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Netcom vs a2i vs Holonet?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:31:24 PST

I'm thinking of subscribing to one of the services mentioned on
the subject line.  Can anyone lend an opinion as to which might
be the best $$ vs. services?

I don't need gobs of disk space, I may be on for an hour a day
I'd like to be able to telnet from other sites and not be limited
to terminal emulators (ie, if I use my attachmate board at work
with a 3270 emulation, netcom's guest login is pretty ragged, while
a2i is clean).

I mainly want an e-mail address, telnet, ftp and usenet access.
any comments?

E-mail would be fine, I'll summarize the answers and post, or post
publically.

j024330@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com

Newsgroups: netcom.announce,ba.internet,la.general,sdnet.general,sac.general,alt.bbs.internet,alt.internet.access.wanted
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:19:17 GMT


As a Mountain View Resident how much would it cost me to get a ISDN connection?
Or do I already have the capabilities? (Not that it matters since I am moving 
to the boonies of Florida in a few months anyways..)

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From: doom@elaine6.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Newsgroups: ba.internet,ba.news.group
Subject: Re: new group on the way, and What does it take to create a ba group?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:13:58 GMT
	<1993Jan12.021410.24067@odin.corp.sgi.com>
	<DOOM.93Jan12025934@elaine36.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan15.192700.26021@nas.nasa.gov> <30938@toad.com>
Distribution: ba
Organization: DSO, Stanford University


Yeah, I can see how giving one person the power to blacklist
people at random can clearly get out of control, but on the
other hand a real editor of a printed publication is an even
greater dictator, and it doesn't make those publications
necessarily useless... 

I think that the point that the sysop owned the system is
mostly besides the point though.  Moderated newsgroups exist
already because people on the net think they're useful.
They're not for the benefit of the moderator.  If more
people were willing to moderate, there would be more of
them... it's because most people don't want to take the time
that I raised the idea of using a simple, automated
moderator.

And you know, if someone wound up being banned from
"ba.hangout", there's nothing to stop them from talking on
some of the many unmoderated newsgroups.  

(Anyone remember me mentioning that I thought a draw back of
this system would be having to deal with recurrent, spurious
discussions about "free speech"?  Well this is the first one.)
From: johng@informix.com (John Galloway)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Keywords: ISDN packet 64k multiplex modem obsolete
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:12:38 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.184217.8922@netcom.com> pascal@netcom.com (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
>
>I was having a drink with a few friends recently, and one of them mentioned
>that they would be teaching a class in ISDN. ( They work for the phone com-
>-pany. ) I expressed interest, and s/he mentioned that Northern California
>customers would be able to order ISDN service at home around August of this
>year.
>
Actually I have hard that the tarrif is asking for a service offering
date around May (which since was just, or is just about to be, submitted
to the PUC, is a pretty agressive aproval schedule).
Howerver, this will offer ISDN on a standard business line, all usage
will be measured.  Residential ISDN, (with zone2 unmeasured service just
like a POTS line is (2nd hand from the ISDN product manager at Pac Bell)
still about 1-2 years away.
	-jrg
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internet    johng@informix.com     CEO...receptionist    San Jose, CA   95133
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From: bkissel@leland.stanford.edu (Brian Kissel)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Recommendations for BBoard Management Application
Date: 29 Jan 93 02:59:18 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Office Of Technology Licensing
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X-Xxdate: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:05:11 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17

Has anyone out there used TheNews or Nuntius for processing bboards? 
Specifically, is there anyway to sort thru bboard title listing searching
by keywords?

Thanks.

BK
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From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:39:25 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie) writes:
>>That's all changing.  The Palo Alto/Hamilton Ave central office now has ISDN,
>>and Pac Bell has installed their own inter-CO T1 lines to support inter-CO
>>traffic.  It is now possible to make a call between Redwood City, Palo Alto
>>South, Palo Alto/Hamilton Avenue, Moutain View, and Sunnyvale.  Their billing
>>system seems to be able to handle ISDN lines now.  Life may be getting better.

      Great.  Is Stanford's switch (a 5ESS, I think) tied in yet?

						John Nagle
From: verber@parc.xerox.com (Mark Verber)
Newsgroups: ba.internet
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:53:19 GMT
Followup-To: ba.internet
Distribution: ba
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA

In article <1993Jan22.184217.8922@netcom.com> pascal@netcom.com (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:

   From: pascal@netcom.com (The Ghost In The Machine)
   Subject: ISDN Is Coming
   Summary: due August 1993
   Keywords: ISDN packet 64k multiplex modem obsolete

   I was having a drink with a few friends recently, and one of them mentioned
   that they would be teaching a class in ISDN. ( They work for the phone com-
   -pany. ) I expressed interest, and s/he mentioned that Northern California
   customers would be able to order ISDN service at home around August of this
   year.

The availability of ISDN to the home primarily depends on the level of
software and hardware of the central office that services you.  ISDN
to home customers has been availible for more than a year to people in
select areas (eg central offices with reasonable new switches, and
enough businesses to justify the extra software cost from the
beginning).  I know people in Palo Alto, Redwood City, Mountain View,
and Los Altos who have ISDN in their homes.  I understand that parts
of Sunnyvale, San Jose, and Cupertino also offer ISDN services today.

--Mark Verber
Newsgroups: ba.internet
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:42:06 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: QueerNet
Keywords: ISDN packet 64k multiplex modem obsolete

Yea, right!!!

I live in the Castro and we don't even have a 5ESS Central office.
I'll bet you a bottle of AZT they find a cure for AIDS before 
Pac-Tel has ISDN for the home in the City of San Francisco.

...Max

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Newsgroups: ba.internet
From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: ISDN Is Coming
Keywords: ISDN packet 64k multiplex modem obsolete
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:10:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.184217.8922@netcom.com> 
	pascal@netcom.com (The Ghost In The Machine) writes:
>
>Home service evaluates to two channels - presumably but not necessarily
>voice and data - for less than the cost of two lines today. Each channel
>is 64kb ... which makes 9600 baud look like a slow crawl, and incidentally
>may make such modems somewhat obsolete.

Nonsense -- it depends on what the service costs, what equipment you have
to buy, and what the per-packet charge is -- also, a subrate ISDN connection
doesn't offer any guaranteed _throughput_ -- 64kb is the connect rate.
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Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
From: wu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shen-Chyun Wu)
Subject: House For Rent
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:57:07 GMT

              Beautiful New House for Rent!

* 1-yr old single family house, 2 story, 4 bdrs, 3 baths, 2 car garage
* cathedral ceiling, white wash color throughout, security system
* large master bedroom with walk-in closet
* major appliances and many upgrades 
* very quiet neighborhood and good schools

Located in Fremont (right off Dumbarton bridge),
close to hw 84, 880 and 101, 10 min. to Palo Alto and BART.

Non-smoking, no pets, please.
$1550/month + deposit.

Please call Grace @ 3281768 (O) or 510-796-7229 for more info.
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing,ba.general
From: krubin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kenneth S. Rubin)
Subject: Looking for a home cleaning service
Organization: ParcPlace Systems 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:37:04 GMT

I am moving into a new house in Santa Clara and am looking for recommendations
for a reliable, trustworthy cleaning service (to be used about twice a month).

Any personal recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
--Kenny Rubin
krubin@parcplace.com
From: alvin@zany.mti.sgi.com (Alvin Oga)
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
Subject: Re: Dispute with Home Owners Assn - Advice Sought
Date: 23 Jan 1993 06:04:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: alvin@zany.mti.sgi.com (Alvin Oga)
NNTP-Posting-Host: zany.mti.sgi.com

You might try to call my attorney buddy.... at (408) 291-6055
His name is Mr. Boone and is in San Jose...and he represents 
some condo associations and would be very familiar with your
recourse...Hopefully, he doesn't represent the HOA you're
having problem with...

C ya
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
From: karlo@island.COM (Karlo Kilayko)
Subject: 3 bedroom house in Sausalito for rent
Summary: 3 bedrooms, 1 bath, large yard, pets okay, $1500/month
Keywords: 3 bedroom house Sausalito rent
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:11:13 GMT


For rent: 3 bed, 1 bath house in Sausalito
	  remodeled kitchen, bathroom
	  large yard, pets okay
	  great view, quiet neighborhood

contact: karlo@island.com
	 415-491-1000x116

or:	 Mona, Crystal Palace Realty
	 415-381-4551
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey)
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
Subject: Wanted: Room near Stanford for 2 nights a week
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:57:07 GMT
Reply-To: grant@Manticore.COM

My sister-in-law is a night nurse at Stanford Hospital and needs a place
to sleep during the day on Mondays and Tuesdays. Her husband was recently
transferred to Monteray so they are moving. She is very quiet, neat, and clean.

Please respond direct to 408 973-0659 (answering machine).

----
Grant Munsey, Manticore, Inc. (408)252-1135
grant@Manticore.COM,  uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant   NeXTMail ok.
From: LJ03064@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
Subject: room to rent in milpitas
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:06:36 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
From: LJ03064@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
subject:  room to rent in milpitas
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:38:16 PST

room to rent in milpitas.  3 bedroom/2 bathroom house.
includes kitchen priv., washer/dryer, microwave.
prefer non smoking-drinking-partying type.
$350.00 mo., includes util.  please call (408) 262-5935
and leave a message
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
From: dream@paisley.arc.nasa.gov (Chima Njaka)
Subject: Looking for a room...
Reply-To: dream@harrier.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:21:28 GMT

This is posted for a friend w/o access to this newsgroup.  Please
respond directly to him.

  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello,

I am looking for a room in the Sunnyvale/Mtn. View/Palo Alto area that is
reasonable driving distance to 237 and Middlefield. A room in a house or
to share a two bedroom apartment -- possibly a studio apartment. Month
to month or six month lease, starting March first.

 Contact:

  Andrew Seawright  andy@later.ece.ucsb.edu  (805) 964-3640(evening)

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Newsgroups: ba.market.housing
From: Rich Kline <kliner@eff.org>
Subject: Looking for house to rent
Organization: ON Technology
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:51:58 GMT

										Looking for a House to Rent

Would like to be in the Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Mt View Area.

Requirements:

2-3 or 4 bedrooms
2 bathrooms
Large Kitchen with updated appliances
Washer/Dryer

Things that I would like!

Hardwood floors
Garage
High ceilings with lots of Light

Richard Kline

Please respond via e-mail to: kliner@eff.org
Newsgroups: ba.market.housing