From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETY
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:59:50 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Apr10.173117.21203@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@nwnexus.WA.COM (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>>In <1992Apr4.225950.26567@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:


>You want sex from the "loose" girl, but you marry the chaste one.
>And you don't call that behavior "cheap"?
   I'd bet you don't know me at all Jen. Maybe you consider yourself
lucky because you're not interested in my type of guy. But, from that
last quote I'd bet you haven't read a single thing I've written. Otherwise
you'd know I don't "want sex from the "loose" girl". This is not the
first post I've seen from you, but you already have this
naughty habit of posting presumptuos extrapolations from thin air. Nice...


>And you think that it's a cop out to realize that you're in over your head?
>Have you ever dropped a class, Steve, because your workload was too heavy?
No way... You drop a class and you've a)wasted time, and b) often get
a "dropped" on your transcript. Better to try and finish the thing with
perseverance and sweat, and maybe spend a little less time out partying...

>Have you ever said "no" to volunteer work because your time was scarce?
I wouldn't start what I couldn't finish. If I didn't think I could 
volunteer my time, then I wouldn't COMMIT to it. Once I begin, I do not
cop-out, leaving others to deal with what I've left behind. It would
just create MORe victims.

>Have you ever backed off from involvement because you didn't think you
>could handle it?
I never back off of things. I would back ou of a relationship if it wasn't
going well. Period. I never back ou leaving the other party to think
"what the hell happened?" 

>That isn't a cop-out.  That is realizing what your limits are--a very
>adult way to bahave.
Adult? How can you call that adult? That is one of my best definitions 
of a child. He/she can't deal with the pressure so he sweeps it under
the covers.

>BTW, using your exact same reasoning, adoption is also a cop-out.
NOT!

>So, by your same reasoning, adoption is also a cop-out: you can negotiate
>for the adoptive parents to finance your prenatal care and delivery.
   In a way - yes it is a cop-out. You should try and keep the child.
That is the NATURAL choice. However, adoption is a hell of a lot more
mature of a decision than abortion. 

>So?  Why is that a cop-out?  Why should you expose yourself to the risk and
>consequences of continued pregnancy when you don't want to?  Haven't you
>heard the phrase :To thine own self be true?  If you don't want to endure
>something, and you don't have to, why should you?
  Because there is another party to consider Jen.

>So, by your same reasoning, adoption is also a cop-out.  If you don't want
>the child, just give it up.
   You already said that. Read my earlier response...


>Abortion is less risky than childbirth, and it carries with it less 
>responsibility, but that does not mean that it is an easy solution.
   Huh? Risky to who? It has 100% fatality rate for the fetus. Those
don't seem like very good odds to me.

>And, by your same reasoning, adoption is an easy solution to keeping the
>child.  Therefore, according you your reasoning, adoption is also a cop-out.
   Yes yes... you already said that

>Well, for one thing, my power bill comes to about $150/month.  If I couldn't
>afford that, I could: declare bankruptcy and not pay them, borrow more
>money to pay them, or call them up and explain the situation.  Comparing
>that cost to childbirth during the same period of time is as follows:
>   my power bill for 10 months:  approximately $1500
>   my prenatal care, delivery, and post-partum care:  $13,000
>BIG DIFFERENCE!
Yes, but many consider a child to be worth it. What a shame that you don't...


>Your "abortion is a cop-out because" fits adoption to a T.  It seems to
>me that you should think that adoption is a cop-out, too. 
Yes yes... you've said that

>I hate to break it to you Steve, but if god intended for people to have
>sex only to reproduce, then we wouldn't be able, or have the desire, to
>have sex at any time-
   That is our own free will. YOu will find that this argument is easily
encompassed by the fact that we have mastered our environment. Did you
know that the Inuit natives still have a Gestation period (not in 
all cases, but on average). This is the case for us because there are 
no environmental factors to include. Mammals have a specific gestation period
to accomadate the changes in mother nature. 

>I cannot understand how someone could be embarrased at the thought of
>sex for pleasure.  That's how god wanted it to be. 
   The fun part of sex is no prob. But, the irresponsible side is 
the part I am ashamed of.

>Jennifer
   steve




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