From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Denied access to English schools?
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:10:19 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
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From article <BtLqu0.6Bs@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
> In article <BtJvLD.I18@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.085646.12416@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>>
>>>  "speak white" - interesting choice since Quebec's limitation on access
>>>  to English schools is similar to that for access to "white" schools in
>>>  South Africa.
>>>
> 
> Thus, Potter brought in the comparison between Quebec and South Africa.
> For me, such comparison is exactly as comparing Quebec and Nazi laws.
> In other words, since some dumb or limited minded racists are doing
> some nit-picking about someone who MADE THE EFFORT of using their
> language, seems to be revolting that I used the word NAZI, I will explain.
> QC and S.A. are very far from being comparable, just like QC and NAZI
> are also far from being comparable.  But, why, if it is not by racism,
> do you made such a comparison?

  I was not comparing Quebec to Nazi Germany. I was comparing the
  restriction on access to English schools in Bill 101 with the
  restriction on access to "white" schools in S.A.

  If you say it is also comparable to Nazi Germany, that is your 
  opinion - I didn't say it.


  The point I was making, perhaps not very clearly, was that the Bill 101
  restriction is based on the social status of the child's parents. In
  S.A. the criteria used is also based on the social status of the child's
  parents. 

 (I mentioned in another posting: if there is interest in this I will
  seek permission from the author to post an article on this subject)

  If in this respect, with regard to the question of access to schooling,
  this particular portion of Bill 101 might indeed be argued to be racist
  in nature then that is one possible conclusion. 

  I believe I said "draw your own conclusions".

  To state my position now : Yes I believe that some of the restrictions
  in Bill 101 are indeed racist. This one in particular. That is IMHO.

  I made no comparison to Nazi Germany.

> 
>> 
>>Dummy or illiterate you are, Steve.  "Speak White" is a frequent
>>demonstration of racist of anglos against francos.
>>Moreover, your comparison with South Africa is quite similar to Nazi
>>comparison.  Why don't you prepare to come back to your England?
> 
> Pis, la prochaine fois, tit-cul, je t'le dirai en joual.
> Comme ca, les Quebecois pure-laine et ceux qui les ont rejoint et
> partage les memes expression locales, pourront comprendre, alors que
> toi tu ne verras rien!

  C'est avec plaisir que j'essai d'ameliorer ma francaise. La Joual est
  un dialecte d'inte're^t peut-etre, mais ce n'est pas la francaise que
  j'ai appris a l'ecole en Angleterre.

  French is not my mother tongue and I didn't have the opportunity to
  study it but for 1 or 2 hours per school day between ages of 11
  and 16.

  My children can be enrolled in excellent immersion programs and 
  have an entire culture (80% francophone) in which they can not only
  practice it but experience it.

  What a great opportunity for them to learn French!

  Why do you turn an opportunity into a legal obligation?

> 
> Pour tout de suite : "Speak White" est un exemple typique de
> racisme anti-francais utilise jusqu'a tout recemment (et meme encore
> utilise) au Quebec par des racistes anglophones qui ne se sont pas
> apercu que le francais est la langue de la majorite.
> 
> Voyez par exemple le livre d'Andre Rufiange qui en parle.  Dans les annees
> '60, au milieu de la nuit et avec une fatigue excessive, Rufi arrive
> dans une station service, la seule ouverte.  Pas droit a du service en
> francais.  "Speak White".  Comme il decide d'aller ailleurs, le pompiste
> l'attaque, est lui-meme blesse et le poursuit.  Le pompiste arrive en cour
> en chaise roulante, Rufi est condamne.  La semaine suivante, Rufi passe
> devant la meme station service, et l'hostie de block est en train de travailler
> comme si de rien n'etait.
> 
> C'est ca, le Speak White : un symbole d'une epoque heureusement revolue
> ou la minorite DOMINAIT economiquement ou autrement la majorite.
> Maintenant, s'il faut recommencer la demonstration parce que des bigots
> racistes ont oublie, la', je debarque.
> 

  What anglophones said or said not to francophones some 30 odd years ago
  has nothing to do with whether my children should be able to go to
  school in their own language.

  Unless, as I think I have understood from your previous postings, you
  hold my 6 year old son (born to parents who emigrated here from 
  England after the 1980 referendum) somehow responsible for what you
  perceive to be the sins of the anglophones of the past here.

  Am I getting through?  (Probably not)
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