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From: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA (Daniel  Cunningham)
Subject: Re: Anyone want to buy a used country?
Reply-To: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 03:39:32 GMT

In a previous article <gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)> said

>tie-ups across the Lions Gate Bridge is, I know that one of Canada's
>few toll booths are located there (i.e., that's how few toll booths
I live in Victoria, and haven't been in Vancouver in months, but 
I don't think there is a toll booth on the Lion's Gate Bridge.(what
relevance this has to the current discussion I don't know but it's
a Saturday night and I'm bored)

Daniel Cunningham
Canadian and very grateful to be living in this country considering
how gay people are treated elsewhere
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,soc.culture.french
From: kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: Re: CFL news
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.230355.5588@newsroom.utas.edu.au> W.Friesen@pharm.utas.edu.au (William Friesen) writes:
>I would be grateful for news of the CFL football results and developments.


 Playoffs started yesterday (November 15).
In the East Hamilton beat Ottawa 29 to 28.  Paul Osbaldiston kicked a
46 yard field goal with 11 seconds remaining to give Hamilton the victory.
Weather conditions (in Hmailton) were not the greatest. Snow squalls coming
off the lake made for poor visibilty.
 
In the West, another close one. Edmonton defeated Saskatchewan by a score
of 22 to 20 (in Edmonton).   Rookie Sean Fleming kicked at 44 yard field
goal with 21 seconds remaining to give Edm. the lead.  Sask.'s Dave
Ridgeway slipped while attempting a field goal on the last play of the game.
 
 So Hamilton comes to Winnipeg for the eastern final and Edmonton goes to
Calgary for the western final next Sunday. 
Then, the following week, Winnipeg will beat a team from ALberta in the
Grey Cup game (in a not sold-out Sky Dome) in Toronto. < :-)  :-)  
 
  Ken D.    U of Manitoba

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,soc.culture.french
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: Dying for one's country
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:47:21 GMT

> Todd Law writes:
>
> I forget who said it (maybe JFK) but only a fool dies for his
> country.  It is much better to live for one's country.

It was Gen. George Patton who said (quoting from memory, but probably close
to correct) "No son-of-a-bitch ever won a war by dying for his country. You
win a war by making some other son-of-a-bitch die for HIS country."
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"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: English Education
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:49:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.By76FC.4I9.1
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Nov21.101138@lglsun.epfl.ch> nebbe@lglsun.epfl.ch (Robb Nebbe) writes:

   It seems to me that all the public schools in Quebec should be in
   French since it is a French speaking province and elsewhere they
   should be in English. If either minority _has_ to have their
   children educated in their own language then they should send their
   children to a private school. Of course the French schools should
   start teaching English very early and vica-versa for the English
   schools.

   I would say that if parents can send their children to a English
   public school in Quebec then they should consider themselves
   lucky.

   This isn't anything new. In Switzerland which has 4 national
   languages of which 3 are important (Swiss German, French, and
   Italian) The parents don't have much of a choice. If the parents
   chosen to live in a German speaking area then their children will
   go to a German school unless the parents are willing to pay for a
   private school education. The exception is in areas which have a
   large linguistic minority( > 40% ). In these areas the school is either in
   language of the majority or it is bilingual and uses both languages
   as teaching languages.

   The American community in Geneva does just fine. They either send
   their children to a French speaking school or a private school in
   English.

The Swiss system sounds fine, for Switzerland.  It might work in
Canada, or it might not.  Some differences that should be noted:

1) The English speaking community in native to Quebec.  Having been
   born there, they've be justifiably upset if they had to move
   because of a new law,  

2) English-speaking Quebecers have had their own public schools since
   they were created, so they have a historical right to continue to
   have them,  

3) Likewise, French-Canadian population in a number of other Canadian
   provinces, either predate the creation of the province, or were
   granted specific language education rights at the time of the
   province's creation, although they were unjustly denied this right
   during unfortunate periods in Canadian history.


Now, of course, the Swiss solution COULD be imposed onto the Canadian
education structure



Also, a question.  I've asked this of a Swiss-born Montrealer who
frequently posts to this group, but she hasn't verified the answer
yet.

Are their no bilingual cantons in Switzerland?  If they do exist, what
language of education is provided?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: jbrown@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Lea Brown)
Subject: Re: Canadians working Abroad
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 01:29:34 GMT

In article <BxstKw.2FG@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:

>I have some questions, which I really need some good answers to.
>
>There is a high probability that I will be going to work in Japan
>for a few years (4+).  Ok, so the questions are:

>3) Also with passports, I'll probably be away long enough that
>   my passport will run out. So what is the procedure for renewal
>   etc.

	You can renew your passport in any foreign country where there
	are Canadian consulates (or, obviously an embassy)

> 4) Also, any wierd rules requiring ex-patriots residency in Canada
>   every so often to hold some wierd status or whatever.

	One thing you might think about is health insurance.  I don't
	know whether this rule varies from province to province, but in
	British Columbia, you lose your right to public health coverage
	after living abroad for more than five years.  I'm told that
	you are automatically reinstated to the public health system once
	you return to the province.  (I've been away for 8 years and haven't
	yet had the opportunity to test this policy!)

	Also, Canada has an annoying policy that precludes ex-patriots
	from voting in any elections.  (unless you are working at a public
	servic post.)  So I haven't been able to vote for AGES!  

> Thanks.
>
>
>Ray

good luck with your life as an ex-pat!


Jennifer

-- 
Jennifer Brown
Depts of Music and French
Stanford University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: W.Friesen@pharm.utas.edu.au (William Friesen)
Subject: CFL news
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:03:55 GMT

I would be grateful for news of the CFL football results and developments.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: jbutt@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: In Flanders Fields
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:43:43 GMT

To all who wrote about rememberance day.

I knew Michael Ralph, and he really felt that he was making a 
difference. He also wouldn't want Canada out of Peacekeeping.
Reading your messages made me think of him.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.followup
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Graduate School
Keywords: Computer Science
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:23:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.175243.4948@exu.ericsson.se> exupeha@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>I am thinking of applying for Computer Sc. Graduate program in
>Canadian universities.  Can anyone tell me which school has
>a strong program?

Well, I maybe biased but, U. of Waterloo arguably has the strongest
or at least most well known CS department in Canada.  Many highly 
successful software has come out of the University and its graduates.
Plus apparently a great reputation with Microsoft.  I would dare to add
that my graduating class in Computer Engineering made quite a contribution
to this, taking a large percentage of the co-op jobs they've offered every
term.  Also, BNR hires a lot of UW grads. I think about 10% maybe even 20%
of my graduating class n Comp Eng works there. (its like a damn class
reunion there) 

But on the down side I'll have to agree with another poster, Waterloo 
is a sh*t boring town, the administration conservative, tight-*ss etc.
We do have the largest student pub in Canada though (I dont know if
this still hold though, anyone know?)


Ray
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Internet access in Vancouver
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:29:06 GMT
Summary: Are there any public access sites ??
Keywords: internet canda vancouver

Hi,

This is probably the wrong group to post this to, so apologies to everyone
if I've done a *bad* thing.  This is the first time I've posted to this
group, so please bear with me.

My girlfreind (from Perth, Australia) is now living and working in
Vancouver.  I won't be able to see her (sniff) until the end of April next
year.  It takes about 10 to 14 days for any letters we send to get
to each other.  She knows a person living in Vancouver that has (what
sounds like - she knows nothing about computers) a computer and a modem.

Can anyone tell me of any public access Internet sites in Vancouver, or
any other services (e.g. Compuserve, Bitnet) available in Vancouver that
can send/receive Internet E-Mail.

Any information/flames/newsgroups-I-should-post-this-to/help/advice would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks muchly in advance,

Doigman.
-- 
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Corporate Systems Development			| Voice  : +61 9 321 2442
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: todd@hera.elcom.nitech.ac.jp (Todd Law)
Subject: Re: The Valour and the Horror (was Re: CBC scandal?)
Reply-To: todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp
Organization: Nagoya Institute of Technology, Nagoya ,Japan.
	<Bxo8v6.5B6.1@cs.cmu.edu> <14NOV92.16927255.0163@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:45:49 GMT


In article <14NOV92.16927255.0163@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) (Tom Box) writes:

>taken prisoner.  On the positive side, it described the incredible
>courage displayed by a batallion (?) of the Black Watch ordered to
>make a suicidal attack on a hill.

Having seen that episode on video, I could not call that courage.
They were shot like turkeys, due to stubborn leadership and a
ridiculous credo of never retreating.  They achieved little.
In stead of admiring their courage, I feel very sorry for them,
having been placed under such idiotic command and policy.

I forget who said it (maybe JFK) but only a fool dies for his
country.  It is much better to live for one's country.


Todd Law



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,mtl.general
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: CF Cable TV (was: FOX)
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:58:36 GMT

In article <Bxq7H6.Mr0@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

   In article <721548484.F00001@illusion.tpg.org> Mark.Kraml@f250.n514.z17.fidonet.ftn (Mark Kraml) writes:
   >
   >they dropped TVO for other reasons not language related. in canada
   >we have a wonderful system that is in effect. if you rebroadcast
   >any channel on cable if the channel is not local, then depending
   >on a complicated formula that ONLY a government can come up with,
   >the cable provider has to pay a LARGE SUM OF MONEY in copyright
   >dues to SOMEBODY (not sure who). this is why we can get 2 US PBS
   >stations and we cant get the TVO educationnal channel on basic
   >cable in quebec. in fact the TVO channel is available right now on
   >CF-CABLE but you must pay.

   Je ne sais pas quelle est la formule, mais il y a un reglement sur le
   nombre de canaux locaux et etrangers (lire canadiens et americains).
   Je pense qu'en comptant le nombre de canaux, on doit arriver a 50%
   de canaux canadiens.

Je crois aussi que selon le "FTA", les societes de cable doivent payer
les reseau s'ils les importer de distance loin.  Je crois que
Plattsburgh est defini "proche", mais Ottawa et Burlington defini
"loin".  Donc, le PBS Canal 57 est gratuit pour les societes de cable
montrealaises, mais le PBS Canal 33 et le TVO d'Ottawa s'ont cout.

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School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 681 5739
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: duquet@astro.phy.ulaval.ca (Jean-Remi Duquet)
Subject: Re: Labelling (was: Quebec)
Organization: Universite Laval, Ste-Foy, Qc, Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:40:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.043204.18597@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

>>Dans notre societe, un des buts des gouvernements est de proteger le droit commun contre le pouvoir de certains individus ou de certaines classes. Donc,
>>quand le gouvernement legifere sur le sujet, il 'minds its own business' ! 
>>
>Do you do this just to bug me?  If I wanted a french conversation, I would
>have posted in french.  
>

There's a slight impression of "deja-vu" ((already seen :) )) here...
Do we need to start this discussion all over again ???

[stuff deleted]
>>	  Qu'est-ce que les poches du gouvernement ? L'argent 
>>vient des payeurs de taxes, c'est a dire, nous !  Et si on ne met pas les
>>panneaux de signalisation bilingues, c'est surtout parce que maintenant on
>>utilise des symboles internationaux.  Et je ne vois pas l'hypocrisie
>>puisque de toutes facons, c'est toujours le consommateur/payeur de taxes
>>qui paie la note !
>>
>>	Il me semble percevoir une certaine acrimonie vis-a-vis du gouver-
>>nement. Sans etre toujours d'accord avec ses decisions, je supporte 
>>pleinement une certaine intervention gouvernementale dans les echanges
>>commerciaux (et aussi dans l'education, les telecommunications, l'assurance-
>>maladie, etc.)
>
>This is ridiculous.  Do you really expect (or want?) me or any other unilingual
>anglophone to respond to this?
>I swear you're doing this to bother me, because I can see no other logical
>explanation...

(I'll write slowly so you can understand)

No wonder anglo-quebecers are so afraid of french signs. In the second 
paragraph, I see only 1 word whose translation is not litteral in english.
You're probably the kind of guy that would stand in front of a Quebec city
"restaurant" wondering: gosh, why don't they translate these damn french signs.
From: jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Dying for one's country (was Re: The Valour and the Horror)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:36:37 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca writes:

> In article <TODD.92Nov19114814@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitec
> >
> >ToddLaw>I forget who said it (maybe JFK) but only a fool dies for his
> >TL>country.  It is much better to live for one's country.
> >
George Patton's comment on dying for one's country was:

"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. You win a war by makin 
the other SOB die for HIS country."

---- Jeff Marold
s

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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Americans on English schools in Quebec (Was: Quebec)
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:44:02 GMT

In article <BxvqzJ.77L.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>
>Quebec has no control over television shows, but there is nothing
>preventing a Quebec company from buying the Quebec French rights and
>dubbing shows.  In the case of the Simpsons, it is already dubbed :-),
>so it should come out wonderfully in French.
>
>In the case of motion pictures, the LAW states that no foreign
>language (ie. non-French) movie can be shown on more than one screen
>in a viewing area (eg. Montreal) longer than 4 weeks if a
>French-language version (subtitled or dubbed, always the latter) is
>not made available as well.
>
>Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu

See the comparison : with a LAW, something is done, i.e. a popular
movie will be made available in a short time.  Without a LAW, you
have to watch the same dubbed version 3 or 4 times before they
broadcast a new series (i.e. the Simpsons are replayed for the 2nd
or 3rd time now) or you have to wait 6 years or more before a TV
series (like Star Trek Next Generation) is made available.

Without law 101, we just don't trust the "market" alone as the mean
to give to French its right place.  Without laws, in the various
markets, we get nothing.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dfplant@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Douglas Plant)
Subject: Upper Canada trick...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:51:49 GMT


From the lid of a tub of NN brand honey, packaged in Toronto;
	"
	    from Canada's peace river valley
           ----------------------------------
		de la vallee de la riviere
		  de la Paix de Canada
	"

I admit it's a bit of a nit to pick, but it annoys me none the less.
			Doug.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: andy@nff.ncl.Omron.Co.Jp (Andy Krantz)
Subject: Re: Dying for one's country 
Reply-To: andy@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Computer Systems R&D Labs 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:29:27 GMT

In article <16NOV92.13783839.0067@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
> In article <TODD.92Nov16134546@hera.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@hera.elcom.nitech.ac.jp (Todd Law) writes:
> >
> >I forget who said it (maybe JFK) but only a fool dies for his
> >country.  It is much better to live for one's country.
> >
> Could you please explain how the Allies could have won WW2 without
> anyone being so foolish as to "die for his country"?  Given that
> there were a great many Germans ready to die for their country,
> what would you have had the Allies do?  Surrender?
 
The answer to that can be found in the following quote:
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making 
the other poor bastard die for his country."

I have heard this quote being attributed to Richard Nixon, General MacArthur
and General Patton. Knowing my luck it was probably quote by somebody else
first.

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 Phone: +81-75-951-5111 x3691 FAX: 956-7403\ gaijin. I understand nobody and 
 OMRON Corp., Computer Systems R&D Labs    / nobody understand me. How could
 Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo Kyoto, 617 Japan/   I possibly speak for company?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8601 can.politics:9781 soc.culture.french:8524
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: CFL news
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:14:18 GMT

> Mark Anthony Young writes:
>
> Anyone have any news about CIAU football?
>

It's Queen's vs. St. Mary's in the Vanier Cup on 21 November.

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Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:8690 can.politics:9851
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,can.followup
Subject: Re: Americans on English schools in Quebec (Was: Quebec)
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:35:15 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <By02zz.M0p.1@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>
>Wait.  Now I am confused.  If TQS owns the (French) rights to the
>Simpsons, what language are they showing it in?

As I said, they are showing a dubbed version in French, but instead of
dubbing a new series (or a new year), they are rebroadcasting the same
previous year.  They are rebroadcasting the old series of Star Trek
(the one with Kirk and Spoke) even if the new series is in its 6th season.

>The movie distributors are an oligopoly.  There are, in contrast,
>thosands of stores in Montreal.  If people avoided stores that did not
>feature French signage, and explained why, these small stores would
>have added French signs, all without Quebec having to legislate it.

What is the part of truely working boycotts?  Even boycott of South
Africa was of little effect on S.A. economy.  

>(The downtown major department stores are effectively an oligopoly,
>however, and I believe that direct pressure from Quebec City (and I
>don't mean by passing a law) would have caused them to Francisize
>their displays.  None complained to loudly about having to drop their
>apostrophes, after all.)
>
>Don't get the idea that I think that the French Language Charter is
>bad.  I just take exception to certain parts of it.  (Mostly the parts
>that were ruled unconstitutional by the courts.)

Did you heard about English schools that complained before law 178?
According to the law, the English sign was accepted (at this time)
providing there was a French sign aside.  Instead of using both signs
(they were publicly financed schools, after all), they painted the
English signs, put a small one in French, and complained about
language law.  I repeat, at this time, they could have both French
and English signs.

>Stewart M. Clamen			Internet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu

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