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From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: FFL's wanted.
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:23:48 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign


At one time there was a list of FFLs on the net that were willing
to receive firearms for people, and do all the paper work. Since
I've not seen that posting in quite a time, I'm willing to compile
another such list. 

If you are an FFL and are willing to accept firearms for, and/or
order firearms for net.people, please send me the following information:

	Your name/business name
	email address
	Phone number	 (optional)
	The state and city you live in. 
	Business address (optional)
	Your charges, terms and conditions for accepting/ordering firearms
	 for net.people.

I'll compile the list, and post it every once in a while.


-c
*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
From: wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Imported ARs in the US
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:13:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: gyre.9210161419.AA13742

Inspired by the recent long and interesting summary of AR impressions:

I've been wondering about the currently-importable batch of military-style
rifles imported under BATF restrictions. Most of them appear to be
the same rifles as before the restriction, with the modifications
being that flash hiders or muzzle brakes are removed (and any muzzle
threading also eliminated), any bayonet lugs ground off, the
separate stock and pistol grip replaced with a connected one-piece 
"thumbhole" stock, and a smaller magazine provided with the rifle.
(Are there any other changes?)

But I've never heard or read if the stock replacement also involved any
metalwork changes which would prevent the buyer from simply replacing
the "thumbhole" stock with a previous-style separate pistol grip and
buttstock. (I realize that there probably are BATF regulations that make
doing that illegal, but I'm interested in the actual mechanics rather
than the legalities.) Is the metalwork of the grip and stock-attachment
areas on FNs, HKs, and AKs exactly the same as it was before, or have
there been changes made that make restoring the original grip and butt
configuration something more elaborate than a screwdriver operation?

I know that there are a lot of people out there selling the original-style
grips and buttstocks, so I suspect that the replacement of the "legal"
stock is an easy matter, but I've never seen anything in print on it.

And a side question: on the original HK-91 (and I guess -93, too) there
is no "bayonet lug"; there is a removable plug in the front of the
operating-rod housing and some varieties of bayonet required that be
replaced with a unit with a front-projecting stub. Other varieties of
bayonet just have a pommel that fits the hole left when that plug is
removed. Is the currently-imported version of the HK the same? (Of
course, without the flash hider, an issue HK bayonet wouldn't fit anyway...)
Or is that hole sealed up or fitted with a welded-in plug or something?

Regards, Will
wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
From: jimfost@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: CCW in Kansas
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:39 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University

Does anyone out there know the CCW requirements/laws for Kansas?

Does anyone else think that maybe CCW laws should be added the the FAQ file? :)


-- 
Jim Foster                [                                                   ]
jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu  [    "We need bigger guns! Bigger f***ing guns!"    ]
Kansas State University   [                                                   ]
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .45 Win. Mag. pistols? (THANKS!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Thanks to all who responded by mail and by post.  I think I have what I need 
now.  Thanks again!

	-Andy V.
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Smith model 27 wear
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:59:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.199210151654.AA09489
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <7277.78.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us> jim.wray@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jim Wray) writes:
#I'd bet that the scratching comes from the hand. That's the little gizmo that
#"times" the cylinder and ensures that it is in the right position WRT the
#forcing cone...

No, the wear I was worried about was at the other end, which was what 
confused me. I got a bit of e-mail on the subject (thanks, everyone...)
and it seems that the wear on the flutes themselves is from a reflection
of the gas leaking out between the cylinder and the force cone. The
small spots between the flutes aren't wear on the bluing at all (I should
have looked more carefully, but I didn't until this was suggested in e-mail.)
They are lead build-ups. Apparently, the presence of an enpty screw hole 
in the frame is somehow causing lead to collect in the small area directly
below the hole...

                                                  Frank Crary
                                                  CU Boulder
From: langston@convex.COM (Kevin Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which 9mm to buy
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Oct08.134658.8042
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Technical Operations

watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt) writes:
#|> #    Well, there's always the P-220 in 9mm. Dealers are buying them for
#|> #    about $350-375. This is a superb gun, the only perceived shortcoming
#|> 
#|> 	I heard the P-220 in .45 is rather good, any opinions on this?
#
#The P220 in .45 is excellent.  If they are available for $350-$375
#dealer cost, please let me know where; I'l buy another one.

    Careful folks, let's don't start a stampede, here. 

    Even though the model number for the 9mm is the same as the .45 version,
    and they look almost identical, they're not the same gun. The price is
    low on the 9mm because of the anomalies I mentioned earlier. The newer
    .45s have a more conventional mag release, and the mag size is typical
    of it's competitors. 

    I mentioned the 9mm becasue it was an exception to the premium pricing
    normally associated with Sig products.

    [ However, if anyone does know where new .45 P-220s can be had for $350
    please copy both Alan and me 8-) ]

    Kevin
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From: jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need tips for gun cleaning..
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:17:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


You should try LEAD FREE cloth.  It is a yellow rag that contains a mild 
abrasive and a chemical that helps break down that heavy black stuff
on the front of the cylander.  It is important that you only use this stuff
on Stainless or nickel.

Good Luck
Josh
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Solvent Substitutes
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:13:21 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <9210111515.AA21226@gw.wmich.edu> x90hornbach1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
#I'm curious if anyone has come up with a cost-effective substitute for gun
#solvent.  I hate to  spend $3-$4 for a few ounces of "gun solvent" when I could
#probably buy some other type fluid at the same price for a gallon.  I realize
#harsher solvents could have undesired results on wood or plastic finishes.  

I once fixed a friend's car brakes, and he mentioned that the Gunk (tm)
a was using to clean off the asbestos(sp?) dust smelled just like
the gun solvent he used. We both thought it was probably quite similar.
Does anyone know for sure?

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder
From: megatek!hollen@uunet.UU.NET (Dion Hollenbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Action Sleeves (was: Remington 788)
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:28 GMT
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

#>>>> On 8 Oct 92 21:56:01 GMT, cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini) said:

Chris> 	Allright, I've heard about sleeved actions forever and a
Chris> 	day, but I don't have a clue what is ment by this. What
Chris> 	is it, and how does it help accuracy?

An action sleeve is a block of metal which has been machined on the
inside to be just barely bigger than a particular action.  It has a
cutout for the ejection port in the side and a cutout for the trigger
in the bottom.  Due to the purpose of a sleeve, they do not very often
have a cutout for a magazine.  They also have a cutout for the serial
number of the action.  This cutout is not for function, but driven by
legalese.

The purpose of an action sleeve is to expand the surface area
available for contact in the bedding process and to provide an
integral recoil lug (some do, some don't have recoil lug).  Also, to
stiffen up the action by making it thicker metal.  If you free float a
barrel, you must have an adequate bedding surface on the action to
accommodate the weight of the barrel.  A very stiff action (referring
to flex of the metal, not how hard it is to work the bolt) with a
large surface area available for proper bedding will almost always
translate into improved accuracy.  If this needs more explanation, I
will elaborate later.

Action sleeves generally extend beyond the action to the front and the
barrel is free floating inside of them.  To install a sleeve, you take
a dremel with a  really rough carbide drum cutter and rough up the
entire outside of the action .  The action is then liberally coated
with epoxy and action sleeve slipped over it.  You then carve out the
inside of the stock to accommodate the expanded size of the sleeved
action and then re-bed it, free floating the barrel in the process.


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From: maxxon@swob.nullnet.fi (Mikko Kurki-Suonio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Penetrating ability of 38 Sp and 9mm
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:59:30 GMT
Organization: Sweet Oblivion

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

# How would that reduce overpenetration?     I don't see why HS would 
# penetrate one bit less than hardball through a monitor.  It takes
# liquids to open up a hollowpoint.

The backstop was wood. As FMJ was only alternative at the time, I
figured HS wouldn't penetrate the logs quite so well. I just wanted to
play it as safe as possible. I think under no circumstances FMJ has less
penetration than HS, given an otherwise identical hit.

# More likely it deflected and exited in a spot you didn't notice.

I don't quite buy this. A dead-on shot from about one yard. The tube had
a nice round hole in the front, but only cracks at rear. Spotting a 9mm
hole in the monitor casing shouldn't be too hard.

Anyway, it's a trick I won't do again without much better safety
precautions. Don't try this at home, especially with the vacuum still in
the tube.

--------
maxxon@swob.nullnet.fi (Mikko Kurki-Suonio)
Sweet Oblivion (+358 0 8092678, V.32bis 8N1) Official SRP Headquarters
From: tsw!marc@uunet.UU.NET (Marc Kilburn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carry in public places
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: tsw.9210081830.AA77254
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA


Good morning.  I have my concealed weapons permit for Washington.
I have just bought my first gun - a Sig Sauer P228.  I have been
reading most of the gun groups for the past few months, and plan
to take gun classes.

Would some one outliine for Wa. state the places I should NOT
carry concealed?  ie. Federal buildings, taverns (?)...

Marc Kilburn
.sig P228
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Need tips for gun cleaning..
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:59:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttinews.1992Oct14.224354.9382
Organization: The Cat Factory

Not sure who wrote what, so ...

}##I  have  a  Ruger GP-100 revolver in stainless steel.  I  follow  the
}##instructions  for cleaning, but I can't seem to get it as clean as it
}##should  be.  This is especially apparent where the cylinder meets the
}##barrel.   ...

}##So,  what  would  rec.guns readers suggest that I do  otherwise?   Is
}##there  a  tool  I can use to scrub between the cylinder  and  barrel?

I've found Shooter's Choice powder solvent and a stainless steel brush can
get the front of my stainless GP100's cylinder looking like new, given
sufficient elbow grease. [Caution:  Never use a carbon steel brush on
stainless.  It can cause corrosion pitting.] Shooter's Choice seems to be
a much stonger cleaner than Hoppe's.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm: Which *not* to buy?
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:27 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <1992Oct8.232702.10019@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:

##I have no experience with the Argentine clones--people have told me they're
##OK. But I _know_ the Portuguese Browning is superb, and I wouldn't trade
##it for anything else. (The matte black finish seems to be virtually
##indestructible, by the way.) 

#I was under the impression that there are three finishes on the
#hi-powers these days:

#polished blue,
#parkerized, 
#& paint.

#Why do they offer that...
#Why would anyone want a _paint_ finish on a browning (or a CZ, or any
#gun for that matter)???

Well, why not? As far as I can tell after owning the HP for about 6 months,
the enamel (I presume it's some kind of baked finish) is really tough. I
bet it's more corrosion resistant than the blue, and it sure looks a lot
better than any parkerized finish I've ever seen. So what's your beef?
Tradition? 

I could have bought the blued version for about the same price--it also had
the traditional flat grips (though these were plastic, not wood). I
decided, on close examination, that the blue looked cheesy--it seemed to be
rather thin, so I thought I'd be better off with the flat black enamel. I
think I did the right thing. 

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From: scot@hpfcla.fc.hp.com (Scot Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12 gauge recoil: how to limit?
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site

I don't recommend tampering with factory loaded shells.  If you buy a 1 oz.,
2-3/4 dram target load (such as Winchester AA plus super lites), 
you will find that the recoil is much less than the promo "dove" or "quail" 
or "whatever" loads that are typically 1 oz, 3-1/4 dram.

There are a number of things you can do the the gun itself to reduce
recoil.  Here are the things you can do in order of approximate cost to
have a gunsmith do them:

1) $10-$20 Add weight to the gun.  You can put a steel or brass rod in the 
   magazine tube or in the stock screw hole. 

2) $40 - $50 Put on a Sorbathane recoil pad such as a Kick-Ez or a Pachmayer
   Decellerator.

3) $40 - $80 Install a mercury or mechanical recoil reducer

4) $120 - $300 Install a recoil reduction stock device. There are several
   brands on the market.  Most are a spring/dashpot arrangement that dissipate
   energy in the form of heating air or oil.  Browning has one that does
   not dissipate energy (except for losses) but is a spring/weight
   arrangement that splits the recoil pulse into 2 smaller amplitude,
   larger duration pulses which reduces felt recoil immensely.

5) $100 - $500 Buy a semi-auto instead of a pump.  Because of the force
   needed to work the action, the felt recoil of all semi-autos is much
   less than pumps.

My wife is 5'0" ~ 110lbs and shoots a Remington 11-48 (older) recoil
operated semi-auto with a Sorbathane (Kick-Ez) recoil pad.  Her biggest
problem is upper body strength; trying to hold the gun up for 25 rounds!
Recoil is not a problem.  The one additional thing that help her is that
her gun is fitted to her.  If you are going to only have one gun, that is
not an option for you.

One final option which is cheap is to buy the gun you like and buy a hoe to
kill snakes with, it's always worked for me!

-Scot
From: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com (Robert Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: SKS stocks
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:14:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: medrcw.199210161703.AA00608

I am interested in purchasing a replacement stock for an SKS rifle. 
The one I saw recently at a gun show appeared to be made of a black,
Tyvek- or Kevlar-type material, and had a folding stock.

I am also interested in purchasing some 30-round magazines for said
rifle.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a reputable supplier for
these accessories?  I'm not sure how much I should expect to pay, so
any advice on the market price?

Replies by email only, please; my access to this group is limited.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe
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From: abrant@BRL.MIL (IBD|ABB)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: NAvy Seals
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:16:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: TBD2.9210131559.aa15202

With the talk about .50 cal penetration into concrete I thought
I'd do some calcs.  For a 620 grain AP bullet striking concrete
at 2900 fps  7.5 to 11 inches of concrete is required to prevent
penetration and 11 to 16 inches is need to prevent spalling.  
The range is for different types of concrete (compressive 
strength 1500-3500 psi).

                                    Andy
From: ehorne@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric T Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun Solvent Substitutes
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:17:17 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <9210111515.AA21226@gw.wmich.edu> x90hornbach1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
#I'm curious if anyone has come up with a cost-effective substitute for gun
#solvent.  I hate to  spend $3-$4 for a few ounces of "gun solvent" when I could
#probably buy some other type fluid at the same price for a gallon.  I realize
#harsher solvents could have undesired results on wood or plastic finishes.  

One ofmy friends uses this stuff that dissolves copper deposits inside the 
bore of the gun. Its expensive stuff too. I was wondering if you could use
PC Board "echant" (i think) used to dissolve the copper off of printed
circuit boards to make the "wires" going to and fro the components. Anybody
have any insight on this?

I would also like to know if there is something else besides solvent that
is cheaper/better than solvent.
From: jaf@a2.cim.cdc.com (James Foster x2197)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Mounting a Harris Bipod
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:14:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: a2.9210161701.AA27334

I came upon a Harris ultralight at a garage sale, apparently new 
and with all the parts.  I am looking for suggestions for mounts for
either a Colt HBAR or SKS.  My Gander mountain catalog had a "universal"
mount that looked like it clamped on the barrel of whatever gun you were
trying to put it on.  This didn't sound like a very good place to me (though
maybe I'm overestimating the problems that force on the barrel might cause).

My questions are:  Is the universal mount a good way to go?  Would mounting
a QD sling holder on the forearm/barrel shroud be better?  Is there a special
mount for the Colt?

And in the line of Stupid Questions(tm):  Should the bipod be attached so the
legs fold forward or backward, or is that just dependent on whatever works on the 
given gun?

Thanks in advance for any info,

Jim
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carry/Ownership laws (Wisconsin)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:35:09 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

Since we're on this topic, let me ask about another state: Wisconsin. I'm
going to be taking a vacation up there, and I'd like to take a pistol with
me. What are Wisconsin's laws about possession and carry? Can I keep it in
my car and where I'm staying? Can I carry it concealed? Can a furriner from
Texas get a carry permit?

Thanks.

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From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: BailBondsman Nationwide Carry Privileges?
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:20:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: flubber.9210122356.AA16708
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct10.004549.7696@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
#I recall reading something that implied that bail bondsmen could
#carry firearms nationwide. Can someone who knows about this please
#confirm or deny with elaboration? Thanks.
#-- 
#Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
# 
#[.sig on vacation]

I don't see how a bailbondsman would have any more rights than anyone else.
I think that they usually request local police assistance when apprehending
a jumper.


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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .45 Win. Mag. pistols?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:53:28 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

Hi Folks,

Anyone know of any pistols chambered for the 45 Winchester Magnum?  Any
semi autos?  Anyone have any experience with this round?  The figures look
very similar to those of the .44 Magnum.  

Just wondering if there are any decent toys chambered for this and whether or
not they're worth considering.  Thanks in advance.

	-Andy V.

Xref: sparky rec.guns:14068 misc.forsale:28256
From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,misc.forsale
Subject: FOR SALE: 12g, and 20g/28g MEC Shotgun Reloaders
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:39:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.guns
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin

FOR SALE: MEC Reloaders...

	12g MEC Sizemaster, good condition		$70 w/o shipping.

	20g/28g MEC 600 Jr. (includes both die sets)	$70 w/o shipping.

	or... $125 for everything

	both come with bars, but no bushings.


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