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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: AIDS and all that jazz
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:14:32 GMT
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In article <ISBELL.92Nov15123556@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>|>possibility that somebody decided to do a trial on SIV in humans to see the
>|>effect, without understanding retroviruses; used Africans as guinea pigs, and
>|>started a chain reaction they never intended?

>|Yes.

>|You see, we know AIDS was arorund back in the fifties.

>|At that time SIV was not a known disease.  It almost certainly
>|existed, but we didn't know about it.  In addition, the entire class
>|of viruses it belongs to were unknown.

>|It is possible that someone decided to inject monkey blood into people
>|for kicks, or that someone was trying to infect someone with another
>|monkey disease and got AIDS as an unexpected bonus, but it seems very
>|unlikely.

>|If you are going to make this hypothesis you have to ask "Why?"  For
>|example, why would anyone want to try SIV in humans even if they knew
>|what it was?  It's pretty pathetic as a bio-warfare agent and it is
>|easier to experiment with it in monkeys than in humans.  So why
>|bother? 

>While I doubt that any of this happened this way, I'm sure that all of
>us with just a few minutes thought--and taking into account the
>history of human beings whether in Tuskeegee or Germany--could easily
>come up with reasons why someone would do this accidently or with
>intent and forethought.

I doubt it.  The Tuskeegee experiment had a very simple reason -
someone said "Let's find out what the long term effects of untreated
syphilis are."  If this had been done with animals instead of humans
it would have been just one more study in the medical literature.

The Nazi experiments can be divided into two groups - the real science
and the bizarre lunacies of sick people who had others in their power.
The real science included things like "Let's find out about
hypothermia and try some experimental treatments so we can understand
how to treat sailors and pilots who we pull out of the water."

So what is your hypothetical reason for the supposed experiments in
Africa?  "Let's find out the effects of injecting monkey blood into
humans"?  Does that really ring true?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:03:38 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Friends of Lenny Bruce


	>WHY DO YOU GUYS RESPOND TO THIS STROMER GUY??? 
	
Because I'm obviously an entertaining writer.  And modest, too.        

	>IS HE WORTH YOUR TIME??  
	
If you need to ask, the answer must be an emphatic YES.        

	>IS THERE THE REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT YOU WRITE WILL CHANGE 
	>HIS TWISTED THINKING???  
	
That's a loaded question.  Ask it properly and in a non-rhetorical manner        
if you want a response in kind.

	>I WOULDN'T WASTE *MY* TIME ARGUING WITH HIM. 
	
Arguing with me obviously isn't a "waste of time", otherwise you wouldn't
be arguing with me!         

	>MANY OF THESE WHITE BOYS, WHO WOULD NEVER AND SHOULD NEVER CONFRONT 
	>BLACKS TO OUR FACES, "GET OFF" BEING ABLE TO SPOUT THEIR RIGHT-WING 
	>CRAP WITH IMPUNITY.

Ahh, the race card.  I was wondering how many sentences you'd take to get to
this.  I'm surprised you could even string up 5 sentences to write a letter.
Congratulations.  What kind of bullshit "white boy" crap do you use to de-
scribe Colin Powell, since he opposes rootslurpers in the military?

Saying "many of these white boys" is racist, dude!  What if I said "many of
these black boys" like to sell drugs and loot stores during riots?  The shoe
fits both ways...Many white boys would be offended being lumped into the
same category as me.  Just ask Ted Frankfurter or Fred Snarfblad.

	>*I* DON'T RESPOND TO PEOPLE WHO IGNORE ME....

I'm not ignoring you, and you ARE responding.  You're just full of confusion
today, aren't you.  Now start over and be more lucid next time, rather than
just foaming at the mouth.  You act as if your pubic hairs are being plucked,
one by one.

--Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com), aka Richard Cranium  :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Black Repulicans...Traitors?
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:33:40 GMT

Are Black Republicans traitors ?

Let me put it this way...if you still voted for President Bush after he let 
that racist Pat Buchanan on the platform at the Republican National Convention,
no you are not a traitor, you are an ignorant fool.  If you still voted for the 
"foreign policy" President, a guy who has: overlooked South African agenda for
four years, a guy who has let "free" Germans and Russians cakewalk into this
country while turning down plenty of Haitians, and a guy who has not shown a
concern what so ever toward the Somalian problem, no you you are not a traitor,
you are a dumb jack-ass.  Does that answer your question? 8-)  

Chris Hill

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Could this possible be true?!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:00:08 GMT

In article <jac1.722153269@Isis.MsState.Edu> jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox) writes:
$das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
$
$>This definitely is one of the most bizarre rumors I've heard recently:
$
$>A friend this weekend told me that an acquaintance of his from Missisippi
$>told him that there is a movement in the South by the KKK and others of their
$>ilk to reinstitute slavery!  Anyone heard of this?
$
$I don't know about that.  The newspapers down here haven't mentioned
$it.  I wouldn't doubt it though.  David Duke is out of work and
$needs some more money and hate mail.

That's the point.  If somethin like this was jumpin off, you certainly
wouldn't read of it in the paper.  What would the headline be? "KKK:
We finah jack all niggas livin down here"  Yeah right.  People that
have 3/4 of an ounce of sense would be either in a major exodus or a
major revolution.

'sides, it's already brothas down there bein enslaved, both physically
and spiritually, so it may not make any kina difference.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Aww, nigga! You know you all that and a          malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
	bowl o' grits!!"  - Ice Cube       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:58:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.192210.26130@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
$
$I don't know about anyone else, but I've decided to stop responding to
$Mr. Stromer. It's about as useful as talking to a log.  I have a
$feeling that if we all stop responding to him, he might not be such a
$bother.

And it ain't even the first time he's been here.  He was spoutin that
shit when he used to work for Sun, till they was like, "I ain't
_havin_ it."   He's really funny sometimes, the way he makes shit
sound, he acts like a frarority boy or a really good robot.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Alarming News
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:58:42 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <92323.2245133ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Robert Newby) writes:
>I do not have first hand information.  I'm getting this third hand from
>someone who knows a faculty member at SUNY-Albany.  Evidently there was
>a young black male found hung in Albany.  At first the death was labelled
>a suicide.  The parents objected because that behavior was uncharacteristic
>of their son.  At present the investigation is continuing. Until now
>there are no witnesses.
>    There was a similar case in Columbia Missouri about two years ago.  No
>was has been charged in that case.  It is an unsolved case that law enforce-
>ment has labelled a suicide.
>    Seems like they're doing it in the still of the night.

I think you may be underestimating the degree of brutality involved in a
lynching.  If the man was indeed murdered it seems likely that his body
would show signs of beating and other abuse.  Conversely, such signs (if
present) would be good evidence that the death was not a suicide.  It
would not seem difficult for the police to decide with a fair level of
confidence whether or not such a hanging was a suicide (even if such
behavior is `uncharacteristic.'

My intent is not to prejudge the outcome of the investigation but merely
to caution you against imposing your own `labellings' on these events.

-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
United States Naval Academy
Annapolis, MD  21402-5002     Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:29:19
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com's message of 14 Nov 92 00:31:21 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
|I've got a review copy. Evidently, not everything Malcolm told Alex
|Haley is completely true, but the general outline is accurate. His
|father was run over by a streetcar, not done in by white supremecists.

Malcolm advances this theory in his autobiography and dismisses it for
various reasons.

|His father (and later Malcolm) burned down their own homes after beingt
|evicted formerly by racist white landlords, and later by the Islam church
|who wanted him out after his break. 

My understanding of this is that this is supposition, not something
determined by objective evidence one way or the other.  Many scholars
seem to disagree with this.

|Malcolm also had some run ins with
|or as a homosexual prostitute. Nothing horrible unless you're rabidly
|homophobic, which a few people in the Af-Am community are.

Who cares?

|Overall, it's
|evidently a cleaned up, more accurate account of his life, but the original
|isn't bad as long as you don't believe everything. 

This is also unclear.  On the other hand, I have heard that it is good
and well-written, differing with the Autobigraphy on a few mostly
small details.

|They're selling Haley's
|book in the grocery stores now - there's no other book from the 60's that
|sells this well.

This makes plenty of sense.

|BTW, how many people know that Malcolm X taught that whites were the
|result of an experiment by a black scientist who wanted to create an
|evil race of people? I'd bet most people with the X hats and T-shirts
|don't know about this. It's in the autobiography.

Well, duh.
--
Peace.
           "Love is like a snowmobile rushing across the tundra and then
            suddenly it flips over pinning you underneath.  At night, 
            the Ice Weasels come."
                                    -Matt Groening, "Love is Hell"
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mciver@kalkan.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dennis Brutus to go on tour (DC first)
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:36:42 GMT

In article <BxsKFC.1Br@ddsw1.mcs.com> barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>SCIENCE@mitvma.BITNET wrote:
>:
>:Deported from South Africa, Brutus was nearly deported from the
>:United States in the 1980s. MIM's predecessors took up work at this
>:time to stop the deportation. Since that time Brutus has been
>:a professor at various institutions in the United States.
>
>Hm?  Thought he was at Northwestern from the late 1970s onward.



He is a professor at the University of Pittsburgh.
This year, however, he is visiting professor at
the University of Colorado at Boulder.


WJM
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The origin of AIDS
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:41:15
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com's message of 14 Nov 92 00:34:19 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
|If you want to kill gobs of people, what good is a virus that takes
|5-10 years to take effect, is transmitted only by massive amounts of
|prosmicuous heterosexual, or slightly less massive amounts of anal sex,
|or swapping needles? I suppose if fundamentalist Christians wanted to
|create "God's revenge" , HIV might fit the bill, but it's not in their
|interest to go out and actually create such a bug.

Actually, if your targets were perceived as being promiscuous then a
disease that takes 5-10 for symptoms to occur would be very effective
because it allows for wider distribution of the eventually fatal
disease.  If the symptoms arise in a few weeks and death took place a
few after that, the distribution might be slowed somewhat.

Come on, use some imagination....

How's this:  I'll bet all you smart people can come up with five
reasons why someone would try to create or distribute this disease.

--
Peace.
           "Love is like a snowmobile rushing across the tundra and then
            suddenly it flips over pinning you underneath.  At night, 
            the Ice Weasels come."
                                    -Matt Groening, "Love is Hell"
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11460 misc.legal:20317
From: mtitus@umsa.umd.edu (Marvin A. Titus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:03:38 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <BxzC0J.GzF@unix.amherst.edu> ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
>How about just incorporating DC into back into Maryland and thus solving all
>of the problems.  DC gets its senators and congressmen and nobody has to worry
>about giving NY City and LA their own seats in the senate.
>-Danny Sokol
>Amherst College


What makes you think that Maryland, with a $500 million budget deficit,
wants or needs Washington DC. Besides, Maryland already has its own
Washington DC. Its called Baltimore!
From: ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African-American or African
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:34:57 GMT
Organization: EuroKom Conferencing Service

In article <leonid.722123158@spssig>, leonid@spss.com (Leonid Feygin) writes:
> Will someone kindly explain to me why some African-American public
> figures call themselves "Africans".  Is that for shortness or is it
> some kind of a political statement?
> --
> Leonid Feygin     SPSS, Inc.     leonid@spss.com     (312) 329-3639
Will someone please explain to me why some Jewish Americans call themselves
Jews? Is it some kind of a political statement? Why do some Irish Americans
call themselves Irish? Totally baffling.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:36:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.155841.20891@Princeton.EDU>  
bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
} I would like to know how to add to my kill file something that 
} would kill postings from Stromer, responses to Stromer and 
} articles with the string "Stromer" anywhere in the body of the 
} article.

You mean something akin to a Usenet version of a Black and  
Decker weed-whacker?

Donald - It's time for some action!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 02:03:06 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
> 
> >who cares about this "homeland" thing, this isn't south africa.  the issue, 
> > it, is to give full constitutional rights to people living in the district
> >columbia as are accorded people in alaska, wyoming, rhode island, etc.  thes
> >hts would apply to *all* living in the non-federal areas of d.c. regardless
> >their ancestry.  the fact that current residents of d.c. are mostly af-am is
> >why people like pat buchanan [who called d.c. statehood as two "affirmative
> >action seats in the senate"], et. al. are opposed to it.  sounds like 
> >racism to
> 
> An excellent reson to oppose it is that it would mean that people in
> L.A., NY, or anywhere else would have only a fraction of the voting
> power as people in DC.   
> 
> Two Senators for that one town would be a real injustice, 
> 
> ...unless of course, every other comparably large city will also
> get two new Senators of their very own in the bargain.
> 
> Two brand new Senators for every Rockford Illinois in America,
> Ten each for Chicago, NYC, and LA,  
> Two for Oakland and Tacoma,
> Four each for Detroit and Seattle, etc, etc, etc...
> 
> What in the world good do you think it would do, though?
> 
> Jim Del Vecchio


People in such states as Maine, New Hampshire and Rhode Island already 
have commensurately inordinate voting power in the Senate vis-a-vis more 
populous states. The Founding Fathers anticipated that when they created 
the House of Representatives to compensate.

As an argument for denying the people of DC representation, this argument 
doesn't hold water. Because one lives in the federal capital should not 
deprive people of the same right s to representation that the rest of the 
country has.
G.

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From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and the NOI
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:38:46 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Friends of Lenny Bruce

        >I'm not a member of NOI, 
        
No, you're just a secret admirer.        

        >All those things were documented in his autobiography. 
        
Haley's autobiography has some proven errors.  Malcolm X converted to        
a decent good, caring person BEFORE Mecca.  Haley's widow has a hand-
written letter from Malcolm X, dated before his trip, where he says
he's through with Elijah.

        >the members of NOI were human 
        
Yeah, so human that they murdered Malcolm.        

        >let's not forget any government involvement.  After all, J Edgar 
        >Hoover was in charge of the FBI, and he also had agents telling 
        Martin Luther King.

Telling MLK?  What did they tell them?  There has been not one single
scrap of evidence to suggest that the government had anything to do with
the murder of MLK or Malcolm.  Typical left-wing conspiracy theory.  The
heck with trying to prove it.  Just make the accusation to fit your own
agenda, and let the media run with it.

        Fred Rozenblad

From the right, Philip Stromer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (David Miller)
Subject: Re: AIDS and all that jazz
Reply-To: st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:34:52 GMT

as far as AIDS goes, a Minister Bowman of NOI came here to BRandeis and told the BLack Student Organizaiton that it was started in AMerica as an attempt of genocide for Blacks and homosexuals.  There is supposed to be a cure which was made in Kenya.  The government, allagedly doesn't want it becauseit isn't 
profitable.  However, they [NOI] supposedly has it and is ripping people off
with it.  They are supposed to be overpricing it.  This is all heresay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:36:41 GMT

In article <ie19TB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>       >Are you laboring under the misconception that being gay is an
>       >act of will?
>
>Nobody forces a gay person to pump butt.  He does so of his own FREE WIll.
>
>       >Gay people have to take a lot of crap in this society (and most
>       >others).  What do you imagine that gay people would have to gain
>       >by choosing to be gay?
>
>Besides AIDS, not much.
>
>       >Apparently you haven't heard recent reports of physiological
>       >differences in brain structure found between homosexual men and
>       >heterosexual men (not surprising, since the rest of your post
>       >reveals much more profound ignorance than this).
>
>Flattery will get you nowhere.  :)
>
>Of course there are physiological differences, because gay people have
>AIDS, which changes many things.
>
>       >There is at least some evidence that at least some gay people
>       >ARE born that way.
>
>Especially according to NAMBLA!
>
>       >Not eveyone who gets AIDS is gay.
>
>Please name me ONE single famous person that has AIDS who is not also
>a rootslurper.
>
>       >`homosexuality' is not a synonym for `promiscuity.'
>
>No, but it's a synonym for AIDS carrier.
>
>Go ahead, be politically correct...blame ME for AIDS in the gay
>community.
>
>Lastly, some nerd on this newsgroup called me a "high risk" person
>because I'm a heterosexual intravenous drug user.  WRONG!  I'm a
>heterosexual, true, but I've never touched a needle outside of a
>doctor's office in my entire lifetime!  Gross!  Almost as gross as
>being gay!
>
>--Philip "Heterosexual" Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)





       WHY DO YOU GUYS RESPOND TO THIS STROMER GUY??? IS HE WORTH

       YOUR TIME??  IS THERE THE REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT YOU WRITE

       WILL CHANGE HIS TWISTED THINKING???  I WOULDN'T  WASTE *MY*

       TIME ARGUING WITH HIM. MANY OF THESE WHITE BOYS, WHO WOULD

       NEVER AND SHOULD NEVER CONFRONT BLACKS TO OUR FACES, "GET OFF"

       BEING ABLE TO SPOUT THEIR RIGHT-WING CRAP WITH IMPUNITY.

	   *I* DON'T RESPOND TO PEOPLE WHO IGNORE ME....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american