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From: DEW@PSUECLD.BITNET
Subject: More Stoopid Landless-White-Trash tricks
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:31:00 GMT

Greetings!

Hal says he can sleep 4 in his tent...

If I could say that I will not be camping at the site, then I would get in
free by your method...that is why I imposed a minimum (just to bilk some bread
from the commuters!) fee.

Salam,


Dale E. Walter     |Dur of Hidden Mountain
dew@ecl.psu.edu    |Orluk Oasis on the War Road (of Aethelmarc)

"I'm the Baron!  Ya gotta loath me!"
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Late Night Noises (was Pennsic Land Allotment)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:13:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.715634027
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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Vajk writes:

>I have heard of attempts (at other events) to keep the late-night camps
>separated from the quieter camps.  Anyone know if this would work at Pennsic?
>I've never heard whether the attempts were successful in any regard at all.

I may be mistaken, but I believe I read somewhere in the Pennsic 
information booklet that quiet hours began at midnight.  Obviously,
if this was the case, it was not enforced.  No rule will be effective
in maintaining quiet unless it is obeyed.

There was a designated "quiet end" of the camp at Steppes Warlord
this year.  I'm not sure how much effect this had, but the camp did 
seem a bit quieter than the year before when the (by common reputation)
loudest household set up tents right smack in the middle of camp.

-- Nicholas van Leyden

 
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From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: s
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:42:53 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Greetings,

   I believe someone had mentioned some time ago that some groups, possibly Rex
Anglia, DO use blunted steel weaponry in their combat.

    Does anyone know how they conduct this and with what type of safety record? 
It seems to me that examining an actual example could be useful. 

     -Eirik Bjarnason
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: The Authorised Version
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:29:15 GMT

There was some discussion recently about the fact that in the Authorised
Version of the Bible (aka the King James Bible) of 1611, God is addressed
as "thou" rather than the more respectful "you".

While considering the question, I had a look at the way King David is
addressed by his subjects, and he is also called "thou" rather than "you".

My suspicion is that this is an attempt to more closely represent the
translators' idea of the original.  Hebrew certainly does not draw a 
distinction between a formal, plural "you" and an intimate "thou", though
it does use third-person devices.  

I have referred the question to a scholar of the English Reformation to
investigate whether there might have been a political or theological
reason not to use "you" when addressing God or a king.

Aryk Nusbacher
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From: lecin@pilot.njin.NET ("Matthew J. Lecin")
Subject: consort gender
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:49:39 GMT

Scott Hall <halls@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> writes:

    >I think that same sex consorts might be considered under the
    >ruling as swasticas and pentagrams.  All three apperantly
    >happened in period, but the support of which could hurt the SCA.

It is the association of the swastica with the Nazi party and white supremacist
groups, and the association of the pentagram with the supernatural that the SCA
worries about; the SCA could then be incorrectly associated with those groups.

However, while it is probable that a number of medieval monarchs preferred
homosexuality, I have not been shown ANY evidence that a same-sex consort ever
wore the consort's crown.

Mitchell MacBain

 _  _  _              | "What you want, what you're hanging around in the world
' )' )' )   Semper    |  waiting for, is for something to occur to you."
 /  /  /    Esuriens  |
/     (_'             |                                         -- Robert Frost
From: jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Robin Hood Recast
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:03:03 GMT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Bertram of Bearington writes:
> 
> Well, given all that stuff, I thought I'd jump on the ol' Covington
> Cross/Robin Hood bandwagon and encourage folks to "recast" the "greats"
> of the Robin Hood mythos with famous folks from their corner of the SCA.
> Who would YOU like to see in the following roles for YOUR kingdom,
> principality, or territory's production?

Well, since I'm fairly new to Trimaris and don't really know too many of 
the people yet, I'll take a shot at casting with Eastrealmers... 

Disclaimer:  Spelling is not guaranteed; casting done off the top of my
             head, primarily by looks, not necessarily by personality...

>       Robin of Sherwood            David MacDougalls.
>       King Richard                 Duke Randal of the Dark.
>       Maid Marian                  Duchess Katherine.
>       Little John                  William of Barnesdale.
>       Friar Tuck                   Ailean mac an Darochs, 
                                     or possibly Thorgirr Bollassohn.
>       The Sheriff of Nottingham    Dalton Arundel.
>       Will Scarlett                Daffydd Rhys ap Llewellyn.

As to Prince John, I know whom I want to cast; unfortunately, I can't
for the life of me remember anything of his name...

Most of these people are preeminent upon the field of archery (all but
one are Grand Master Bowmen).  I didn't plan it that way, honestly!

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From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: reply re: period songs
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:04:55 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I think there is a terminology problem getting in the way of this 
exchange.  Julitta lists the following songs from her repertoire and 
implies that most are period: "Lions", "Dice Game of the 2 Olafs",
"Tale of William the Marshall", "Born on the Listfield", "On Guard",
"Lochmabentown Harper".

Of these, the only one that is period, according to Julitta's notes, is
the last.  Others are about period incidents or people, but that does *not*
mean the song is period.  A song is composed of, among things, language
and music; you can tell a period story in a very non-period way, and you
can tell non-period stories in period ways.  What was under discussion here
was the authenticity of the *songs*.

I have never heard Julitta perform and certainly pass no judgement on her;
I just think people are operating under two different definitions of period.
"Period in feel" and "period" are different, and I am sure that 
misunderstandings can be avoided in the future by using the correct term.

Ellisif
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Smelly steel wagons at Pennsic
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:00:09 GMT

In article <3373@creatures.cs.vt.edu> jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter) writes:
>I didn't really have in mind that everyone who does something naughty be 
>brought up before a Court of Chivalry.  That was an afterthought, for those
>of our people who are just conspicuously outrageously out of line.

I didn't suppose you were proposing a wide use of it, I was just captivated
by the thought of Traffic Court of Chivalry.

Just think of other applications:  Divorce Court of Chivalry, People's Court
of Chivalry...

Aryk

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Great diesel beasts at Pennsic
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:37:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.123211.16136@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander)) writes:
>John McGuire (John T Dillon) writes:
>>
>>  The great diesel beasts at Pennsic were an annoyance, bleating their 
>>challenge out in both daylight and darkness.  However blame not all of 
>>them as being unfriendly and malicious.  Most of them were blaring not to
>>awaken campers, but to express displeasure and alarm at the throng of smaller
>>dragons perched on the roadside, or in the road, peering into the camp.
>>
>I suspect the State of Pennsylvania would be happy to permit us to 
>engage in a roadside beautification project:  We could acquire a 
>bunch of saplings, of one of those fast-growing tree varieties that 
>various lumber companies have developed, and plant them in a fairly 
>close-packed row along the fence, as far up the embankment as the 
>State would permit.  If we did the planting during the war, there'd 
>be plenty of volunteer labour.  (We'd want to have the holes dug 
>beforehand, of course -- doing that by hand would be a little too 
>period for most people's taste -- but I suspect the Coopers own 
>a backhoe; if not, it wouldn't be that expensive to rent one for 
>a day or two.  Dropping the trees off a truck, setting them in 
>the holes, and filling in the holes wouldn't be a big deal for a 
>bunch of healthy young fighters.)  If we started off with 15-foot 
>saplings, it would do some good immediately, and probably make 
>the campground completely invisible from the highway by PW XXX.
>I for one would be willing to contribute both time and money to 
>such an effort; I suspect the Coopers would as well.  (For those 
>who object that we may not be at Coopers' Lake that much longer:
>I disagree, for a variety of reasons there's no point in going 
>into here.  But you're entitled to your opinion:  if you think 
>it would be a wasted effort, then don't contribute to the effort.)
> 
>I'm serious about this, and would like to know what other people 
>think.  (Can you tell I was camped on the Serengetti, too close 
>to I-79?)

I know from personal experience that the Cooper's would welcome and help
for improving the campground, and they do own a backhoe. Whether you can
get the permission of the state to plant is another thing, remember, it's
Pennsylvania, the laws are different. I applaud the idea and will lend
my support both moral and physical when the time comes.

In service,

Corun

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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Fair
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:38:16 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Charles the clerk writes:
> The concept of a Pennsic Fair will answer the question, "What happens
> when AEthelmearc becomes a kingdom?"
> 
> The Crown of AEthelmearc would host a Pennsic Faire, and a tournament.
> For the "principal battle" of the tourney, the Crown of AEthelmearc
> would invite the Crowns of the East and Middle to assemble the two
> sides.  
>		(stuff deleted) 
> Observe that AEthelmearc, as hosts, would have to stay officially
> neutral in the various battles, but their fighters could participate on
> either side.
>
> Other opinions are welcomed.

No, no, no.  It's AEthelmearc _VS_ either the East or the Middle, depending
on which of them has shown us that they are worthiest to fight (ie, which
side has paid us more tribute) ;-) ;-) ;-)

                                                       - Dagonell
                                                (AEtheling and proud of it!)

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

THE LAST THREE WINNERS OF AETHELMEARC CORONET TOURNEY HAVE BEEN...
_A_riel       fighting for the wife of Sir Raimund  of Rhydderich Hael
_B_ear        fighting for the wife of Sir Ogami    of Rhydderich Hael
_C_hristopher fighting for the wife of Sir Carthalo of Rhydderich Hael
  "Hello? Sir Bedawyr? This is _D_agonell.  If you're not fighting for your
   wife Lena in the next Coronet Tourney, I have a proposition for you ..."
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From: sherman@trln.lib.unc.EDU ("Dennis R. Sherman")
Subject: steel at demos
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:22:12 GMT

Greetings to the Rialto from Robyyan.

Berwynn asked about steel at demos, and has gotten lots of 
responses about why they shouldn't do it, bad idea, rules say no, and 
so on.  But there haven't been many responses suggesting ways to solve 
their problem, i.e. how to make the demos better and explain the 
wooden swords.

When we do demos, I explain that the fighting the audience is about to 
see is "a modern martial art based on medieval tournament fighting, 
which often used blunted swords or swords made of silvered whalebone.  
Since whalebone is difficult to come by these days, and rattan has the 
property of breaking comparatively safely, we use rattan for all our 
weapons."  I then go on to explain our target area (often with the 
fighters demonstrating, via single blows, what happens when someone 
gets hit in the leg, arm, head, body) and that everyone must practice 
and undergo a safety test before they are allowed to participate in 
tourneys.  

This explanation lets the audience know what they are going to see, so 
they have some idea of what is going on, and also sets the idea that 
they can't just come off the street, put on armor, and start swinging. 
It also tends to reassure people that we aren't looneys that just beat 
on each other, especially if you can work some history into your 
opening discussion (i.e. "We don't allow blows at the knee and below, 
because they're too dangerous.  Archeology at medieval battle sites 
has shown a very high proportion of broken shins..." etc.)

Also, a fighting demo with two fighters is, in my experience, quite 
difficult, no matter how experienced the two are.  There just isn't 
enough visual variety to keep the audience's interest.  Switching 
weapon forms helps, but may not be practical with new fighters.  Try 
to stage specific activities for the audience to see, even breaking 
the fight in the middle to explain what just happened when the tall 
one lost his leg, or whatever.  

And the suggestion of getting fighters from a neighboring group to
come help is a good one, but I know where Berwynn is, and that isn't
going to be easy.  In Berwynn's specific case, they might be able to
tempt people in from Nordskogen by treating them to the Hjelmquist
(sp?) Heritage center in Moorhead.  Its a fascinating museum built
around a reproduction viking ship, focusing on the scandinavian
immigration to the area -- Minnesota/North Dakota, that is.  Well
worth a trip if you're in the area. 

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From: Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Recent Aten Coronation
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 02:05:04

In re: the recent Coronation of Trelon and Varia:

                        *

        HE SPEAKS OF TRELON AND VARIA (After the Old Irish)
                  -Ioseph of Locksley
      (c) copyright 1992 W.J. Bethancourt III

 In a still place, the names were whispered
 And the Land heard the names, and rumbled to itself,
 Talking to the mountains.

 And the rocks of the mountains
 And the sands of the deserts
 Told the names to the wind.

 And the birds of the air took the names, and sang them to the trees
 And the trees gave the names to the hidden waters of the Earth.

   And in a still hall, suddenly alone in a crowd,
   Transfixed by her faerie beauty, 
   Transfigured in a moment of stopped time,
   He passed his hands along her face as she knelt before him.
   Murmuring words that none but her could hear,
   His hand rested for an instant atop her head, and then,
   Drawing his whole soul into his eyes, 
   He Crowned his Queen.

 And the Land held its breath for an instant, and
 In the heart of silence, they stood,
 The Forest King and his White Sidhe Queen.

 And silence shouted!

 And the trees, and the stones, and the sands, 
 And the grasses and trees,
 And the hidden waters of the Earth 
 Sang the song of the wind:

 TRELON IS KING! VARIA IS QUEEN!

 And the World was made whole again, 
 And the World was made new again.
 Atenveldt Victorious!

                        *

 .....needless to say, I am IMPRESSED with this combination. VERY impressed.

                                                  -Ioseph of Locksley
                                                   Grumpy Bard

Who can recieve netmail at FIDO 1:114/110. 

... "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatus nunc" .... not just pretty words!
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From: kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose)
Subject: Re: SCA Heraldry and Copyright Law
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:32:49 GMT

In article <N9BBqB1w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris) writes:
>bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
>
> Here in North America (and in many many places) Hearldry is just an art 
>form and the individual armorials are works in that art form.

	Am I to understand that the above was written by a *Manitoban*....
a fellow Canadian?  Sigh.  In th United States of America, heraldry is
just another art for like corporate logos or the Golden Arches; here in
Canada, heraldry is heraldry, and rights to arms come down from the 
crown (until recently via the Ulster, Garter or Lyon King of Arms, but
since 1988 from the Canadian College of Arms).  Take a look at the arms
on any Canadian bill, or the crest on the Manitoba or Ontario flag, or at 
your city hall.

	A disgrunted mundane monarchist.....

					....Kenneth Moyle
					    (Cinaed de Moray)

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From: ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic Fair
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:32:37 GMT
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Most worshipful readers, I recommend me to you.

I would like to offer some dissenting opinions on this topic.

Item. I, for one, was not upset to hear that Pennsic would be
a tourney. As Mistress Ellisif noted, for most of Ruslan's and
Margaret's reign, there was a great emphasis on the friendship 
that we share through the war.

And when I was up in Ealdormere for the Lord Mayor's Market day
event, Lady Elsbeth, the hurdy-gurdy player, wrote a wonderful
play which included an 'intermission' which had the Tyger and
Dragon fighting and then going off drinking after their battle.

Item. I believe after some evaluation, that what Hossein said might
be true. It's not the word that makes attitudes change. Indeed I 
think what really made this war different was the persistent effort
of the Crowns of both the East and the Middle to have people come
together in friendship. It was a theme throughout their reigns.

Item. It seemed to be a logical beginning of the Pennsic to be
a Tournament with the attitudes the Crowns were fostering this
year. It was just one of many steps they were making to have this
be FUN.

Item. For me, and I think for many others, the word 'war' has very
serious meaning and connotations. Yes, this year a single word did
not change how people thought at this Pennsic. However, we do com-
municate through language. And if we want to change how people look
at something, we often change how we describe an object or idea.

Item. Thank you, Therion, for your missive from Her Magesty. I 
have been very disturbed about some of the postings in this thread. 
I felt that there was a 'subtext' of people feeling the Crowns 
changed this with some sort of malice intent. And that was bother-
some. I realize that the other 10 kingdoms couldn't be present for 
the reigns of the East's and Middle's present Crowns. So it is 
understandable to have many of the visitors to this land upset 
with the change. But if you'd been here, I believe you would have 
seen a very different light.

I'm not saying that any or all Easterners/Midrealmers feel the same
way as I do. I'm just saying that it wasn't like this came with no
warning. Virtually all mentions of Pennsic in the Courts of both sets
of Magesties had a very subdued, friendly tone to them, with none of 
the sparring that I saw as soooooooo prolific before Pennsic XX.

Item. I would like to see Pennsic continue as a Fair or Tourney.
For historical reasons as well as fun reasons. I found this year
to be very enjoyable. The last two years were not so much fun for
me at the war.

Su segura servidora,
            Esmeralda
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:47:49 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <c3tn02Nd1foh01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes:
 
> A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round, initially popularized
> by Radnor of Guildemar, and exceedingly popular among Guildemarians
> (Radnor's household, squires, ex-squires, and ex-squire's squires). It's
> also called the Radnor round.

Yes, but what IS it?

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From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Query after Andrew
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 22:39:39 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Hal Ravn asks about Trimarians in the wake of Hurricane Andrew.

Here in Wyvernwood (mundanely Tampa), we felt only the barest breezes 
on Monday, and nothing at all today.  (Gee, and I was all prepared for
my first Floridian hurricane...)  :-/

I just heard on the news that there have been 14 reported fatalities
in Miami so far, but have heard naught of the SCA folk there.  I can
but hope that SCAdians are not among the casualties...

Mayhap someone closer to the storm can give better details.

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