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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Eagles Destroy Dallas !!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:08:06 GMT

This posting is not directed towards any Cowboys fan, but only to this
particular individual, who I believe from his ranting and raving is a
49ers fan, that hasn't got a clue about the game of football.

In article <1992Oct6.210536.4558@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
> My only digression
> is your point about the Eagles playing great football. IMHO, a
> further analysis of the Eagles performance was based on the 'Boys
> lack of it. The stats favored the 'Boys except in the score.

The stats favored the 'Boys?  Quick notify the NFL office.  They
had better change the criteria for Wins and Losses before the
season goes any further.

> They
> made too many mistakes. I don't think the Eagles coaches think 
> they played that great. If they do, they are fooling themselves.

Take a better look at the stats.  Aikman 19-38 for 256-yards.  Smith
19 carries for 67-yards.  Ask the Cowboys coaches if they think their
offense played that great.  If they do, they are fooling themselves.
They couldn't run the football.  They were forced to throw the ball.
That wasn't their gameplan.  Sure they moved the ball a little via
the airways, but the more you throw the football against the Eagles
the more likely something bad is going to happen.  And that is
exactly what happend.  Three INTs, one Fumble, and four Sacks.  Should
have been a second fumble, but the refs blew the call.  Even Aikman's
big pass play to Irvin was defended perfectly by Eric Allen.  Only a
handful of receivers could have caught that ball after Allen deflected
it.  Unfortunately for the Eagles, Irvin was one of them.

You can look at the stats and console yourself, which is what I'm
sure you did when the Bills beat the 49ers in Week-2, if you want to.
But the real story of the game is that the Eagles forced the Cowboys
to do exactly what they wanted them to do, i.e. throw the football.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: How to beat the Bills?
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:03:24 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.162751.7685@spuddy.uucp> markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge) writes:
>
>ALSO, you MUST be able to get past the Bills defense! Not such a sure
>thing as people reckon... (Dolfans will, of course, disagree)
>-- 

Well, of course.  So far, the Bills have faced 2 quality opponents, the 
49ers and the Dolphins.  Both teams were able to move the ball fairly 
easily against the vaunted Bills defense.  What did the 49ers get, like
500 yards of total offense??  The Dolphins got almost 400, and that is after
they basically did nothing but waste time in the 4th quarter.

>
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From: marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Steve Young to Jerry Rice (Was Re: Rating the QBs)
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:04:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <29710092@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>and Steelers.  Rice, as good as he is, has not had quite as
>great stats in the season-and-a-third since Joe last played.
>There is plenty of evidence that Joe made others look good as there is
>for the opposite contention.

Yes i've noticed Rice's drop off in production too.

Obviously this is partly due recently to the loss of John Taylor, but
Rice always made big numbers even before Taylor was a threat.

Does anyone else think that Rice isnt as productive because of Steve
Young?? Is there something about the way he throws that makes Rice not
his key target?? I'm sure Rice still made the play with Bono in, whereas
Taylor seemed to get the play with Young at the helm.

Marc

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagle Feces
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:05:28 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network





To Dough the Dolfan.....

I agree that the Vikings choked in 4 Super Bowls, but so
also will the Dolphins, if at all they make it to the
SB, this year.

U will be also here on Jan 26 1993 and so will I and we
will see. 

The Dolphins will win the SB..... NOT!!!!!!!!!!
The Dolphins are good but the NFC-East is better. 
Whether u like it or not facts are facts.
S.H
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: GIANTS news
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:02:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.143342.28326@walter.bellcore.com> cpg@caribbean.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Curt Goedde) writes:
>From: cpg@caribbean.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Curt Goedde)
>Subject: Re: GIANTS news
>Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:33:42 GMT

>In article <92229@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>|> 
>|> Hi,
>|> 
>|> This is for Adrienne, Kevin and other GIANTS fans out there (if there are any
>|> left on this planet) and anyone else seeking football news not relating to
>|> the Eagboys and the Cowgles:

Thank you!  Especially since I will be at the game !  YES!!!!!!!!

>|> 
>|> 1) After the hit that Simms took against the Raiders, his arm was sore. 
>|> MIR and x-ray revealed a bruised elbow so he's out for Sunday and Hoss is
>|> in as quarterback.

I didnt tape the game, so I cant find the hit, but I didnt even realize he 
was really hurt.  Phil IS kind of wimpy and would have come out of the game 
if he was more than mildly hurt.

>Simm's injury is much worse than originally expected.  There is significant
>ligament damage along with several floating bone chips in his elbow.  He
>will require surgery and is expected to miss at least 6 weeks.  There is
>even talk about this ending his career.  Hostetler becomes the starter and
>rookie Dave Brown is the backup.

So I guess my game banner will say "Go Giants with Hoss as Boss"

Well we all sort of knew this was Simms last year.  Especially since LT is 
retiring also.  What an unfortunate end to a good career.  Bye Phil, I loved 
ya but time to move on.

Seriously we should get Brown some playing time.  Hoss is ok, but not a 
leader. Can anyone cough up some information on Brown.  I think he will HAVE 
to be the future QB of the Giants.  Any good second-stingers who want a 
chance to start with NY? Who is available anyway?  Maybe we could trade 
Hoss...Yeah, thats it, trade him... get someone that can actually pass the 
ball....NAAAAA thats too unlike N.Y. to get someone good.

  

Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agency
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:01:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Oct9.090100.667@totaltec.com>, mark@totaltec.com writes...

>In article <1992Oct7.171047.29035@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>> If you still believe that NFL teams are competing companies ask 
>> youself this: Would a team be better off if they somehow managed to 
>> drive the rest of the league out of business?
> 
>If they are not competing then why bother signing a Keith Jackson or a Webster
>Slaughter?? That only drives up the cost of operating the team by increasing
>player salaries ????

Because they are competing against other forms of entertainment like 
baseball and watching the lawn grow.  A winning team is good for 
attendance.  A couple of home playoff games is *really* good for 
attendance.

The Dolphins did not sign Jackson to keep people from attending Eagles 
games.  They signed him to win ball games and therefore get more 
people, who might normally be staying home watching Love Boat reruns, 
into Joe Robbie stadium.

JGH
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From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF)
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history 
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:09:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.140324.8731@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (ALN - GO GIANTS) writes:
>
>>Looking for the team with the highest scoring game in NFL history, date, 
>>place, etc...
>
>>Thanks in Advance
>
>>Adriene L. Nazaretian
>
>Your Giants got beat in the highest scoring NFL game of all time 72-41
>in NY by the 'Skins on Nov 27 1966.
>
>The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
>in a single game by any team in NFL history.
>

Didn't Chicago score 73 points (73-0, actually) in a playoff game
during the '40s?


Mark
From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Class Acts ... NOT!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:30:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   I admit to being a hater of the style of the Eagles because
of their former fat assed moron coach, but I do not think that
you can excuse the Cowboys from their actions.  I only saw a 
little of the game on TV, but what I saw was James Washington 
punching Hershel Walker in the helmet.(a sign of intelligence)
  I have always been critical of players like Andre Waters, but
the games that I have seen so far this year, he has not done 
anything illegal.  The Eagles live on the open field tackles
at the knees, especially their safeties.  
  I still think the Eagles as a whole are a dirty team, especially
Ron Heller (after every play he is pushing around a db, and he
coincidentally had an unsportsmanlike hankie tossed after a 
touchdown.)  Maybe he was with John Kordic to teach him the
correct way to cheap shot people.
                            Rich
From: xiaoqing@convex.csd.uwm.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How the Bears keep their fans
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:59:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Keywords: Chicago, Sucks

In article <1992Oct7.060701.6213@wheaton.wheaton.edu> klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett) writes:
>I just recently heard that during a Bears game, other Chicago-area networks
>are forbidden to show any other game.  What a stupid concept!  This Sunday, I
>was looking forward to watching the 'Fins crush the Chips (:-), when some
>ridiculous totally non-football-related program comes on.  As an explanation,
>a friend of mine said that there is a contractual agreement that on a given
>day, the Bears are the only ones to receive coverage at any given time.  Now
>the late games showed on both NBC and CBS, but not the early games.  What's
>the point?  Is this the only way Chicago can keep their fans -- by not letting
>them watch anyone else play?  I can't believe that NBC got a fraction of the
>ratings that they would have gotten had they broadcast the Miami-Buffalo game.
> I understand that this is a regional thing, and that none of you have this
>problem, but it's still extremely frustrating.  
>
>					. . . the Mantis
>
>Cunningham for president.

This is not Chicago's problem. NFL and major networks have contract
agreement.  According to my understanding, it works this way:

Except for those games covered by ABC,TNT or ESPN, All NFC-NFC games are covered
by CBS, while all AFC-AFC games are covered by NBC. Each team (except 5th 
place)  has 4 interconference games which are split by NBC and CBS. 
The interconference game is broadcasted by visiting team's network. Let's
take Chicago as an example. All Chicago games was or will be covered by CBC
except for three games. One will be covered by ESPN, the other two,
Cincinnati at Green Bay and Pittsburgh at Green Bay  were covered by NBC.
The contract agreement says that when your local team is playing, other 
network can not broadcast other NFL game at the same time in this region. 
There are, however, two exceptions. When your local team is away playing
other conference game, other network then is allowed to broadcast other game
at the same time. For example, when Green Bay is playing at Cleveland which
will be covered by CBS, NBC can broadcast their own game at the same time.

I am not sure if this is true in every region, but you can check in your 
area to see if this is the case.
From: divitt@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Divitt)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:38:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Thoughts on yesterday's games
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro


>Even as a 49er fan, I still have to admit that Randall is probably a
>better overall quarterback. But no QB is better at running the ball
>than Steve Young. He may be the best running quarterback of all time.

  Er, Nope.  I think you got that exactly backwards.  Young is the better
  throwing quarterback, but Randall is the better running quarterback.
  Randall is really a running back who happens to be able to throw the 
  ball well.  Young is the classic scrambler, so he is more a "pure" 
  quarterback.

Mark
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Good Starts
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 OCT 92 10:48:38    

In article <1992Oct9.221110.28790@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes...

>Somebody mentioned (the obvious...) that a 5-0 or 10-1 start
>makes you more likely to go all the way.
> 
>Using the ftp.wustl.edu data, here is what happened to teams
>that started out 4-0 or 5-1 (or better) since 1984:
[List deleted for brevity.]

I think that in addition to knowing how well teams that started out 
strong finish, we need to know how well teams that finish strong start 
out.  ie.  I'd be interested in knowing what the records of SB teams 
(both winners and losers) were after 5 weeks.

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dolphins' Receivers
From: brian@sdg.dra.com
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:04:08 CDT
Organization: Data Research Associates, St. Louis MO

I haven't been following the Dolphins real closely this season, and therefore
was hoping someone could give me an update on Mark Duper.  What are his stats
for the season so far?

Also,  is Tony Martin the number three receiver behind Clayton and Duper?  I 
know he scored last week, but does Marino go to him often?

Any responses can be emailed to me.

Thanks in advance....

Brian R. 
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: 49er/Patriots
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.190332.3157@amgen.com> chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>In article <1992Oct11.203251.15555@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
>> 
>> Well, it wasn't as easy as it should have been, but the 49ers topped the
>> Patriots 24-12 in a very ugly game. The 49ers failed to put New England
>> away early, and then let them actually take the lead for the first time
>> this season. Early in the fourth quarter the 49ers were in a lot of
>> trouble, trailing 12-10. They got a big break when Young threw a floater
>> out in the flat, and Maurice Hurst cut in front of Waters for a sure
>> interception and TD, but he boxed the ball to the ground. Later on the
>> same drive, the 49ers were facing third and five from about the 40.
>> But Young scrambled for a big first down, and the 49ers moved on down
>> the field for the go-ahead touchdown. From then on things returned to
>> normal, with the Pats looking utterly helpless, and the 49ers hitting
>> on all cylinders.
>> 
>> Looks like this "easy" part of the 49ers schedule is not going to be
>> as easy as it appeared to be.
>> 
>> =============================================================================
>> Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
>> Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
>> Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
>> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
>> "I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
>> =============================================================================
>> 
>
>Unfortunately, the Niners have fallen into a "play to the level of your 
>opponent" trap.  The last two weeks, it has nearly cost them the game.  I hope
>they can get back on track in the coming weeks, before playing Philly.
>
>Chris S.
>

True, the 49ers sort of played down to the level of their 
opponent. Only one difference, they won, unlike the Bills
and Eagles (well, the Eagles did play a good team).
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings Prediction through 1992
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:42:38 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (Jon Blixt)
Organization: CEO of RUBL - Real Usenet Basketball League

In article <1992Oct13.203939.11298@zip.eecs.umich.edu} sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma) writes:
}Well, I thought I would jump on the predictions bandwagon and
 much deleted

}End Regular Season at 12-4.. home game in the Metrodome vs. Dallas

I am a Vikings fan, but 12-4, I think 11-5 is asking alot.

}Cowboys.  Vikings win by 10.
}On the road vs. Philadelphia.  Vikings get revenge. Vikes by 4.

I assume that Philadelphia won it's division and the Redskins make
the playoffs as a wild card.

}Redskins make it to the championship (trust me) and beat the
}Vikes by 3.  
}End Season 14-5.  Redskins repeat as SuperBowl Champs.
}
}This is just an opinion.  
}-- 
}Eric Sybesma

-Jon
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Control Data               the little-death that bring total obliteration,  I
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jblixt@neon.aqeng.cdc.com  me and through me, And when it has gone past I will
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                           has gone there will be nothing,  Only I will remain.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller)
Subject: Re: Week 6 & cumulative passer ratings
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:27:52 GMT

In article <ldlq30INNil3@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 19390@ncar.ucar.edu, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>> Week 6 (minimum 10 attempts):
>> Pos Name              Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
>> --- ----------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----
>>   1 Mike Tomczak        17    10   58.8    171  10.06    1  5.9    0  0.0 112.6
>    ^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>
>Arrgggghhh....  It must be the end of the world.  Are the cubs in the world
>series ?  Is hell about to freeze over ?   Help.........

	Give the guy a break!!! No he's not the GREATEST of all times! But it 
just goes to show you.... There IS L.A.D. ( Life After Ditka! ).

- Dan
GOOOOOOOOOO BROWNS!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: The most underrated quarterback in my lifetime
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:28:33 CDT

In article <1bcf49INNflp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> djh10@po.CWRU.Edu (David J. Henning) writes:
>
>Upon reading my subject line you should know whom I am talking about.  
>This week he eclipsed the 200 career touchdown mark faster than anyone
>except Marino and Unitas.  If John Elway did this, NFL Live would do a ten
>minute segment on it, and there would be a small shrine erected on the spot from
>which Elway released the ball.  This as well as his other far-better-than-Elway 
>statistics have been done behind such legendary offensive linemen as Edwin 
>Bailey, Mike Wilson, Ron Mattes, Steve August, Joe Tofflemire, and Grant 
>"pop goes the" Feasel in pass-happy Chuck Knox's system.  These guys let one guy
>sack in him seven times in one game. This year he's tearing it up passing to
>the likes of Bill Jones, J.J. Birden, Tim Barnett, and Walter Davis. I know
>that a few years back, Dave Krieg was the third rated quarterback in NFL
>history and he's still in the top 10.  Last year he lead the NFL in completion
>percentage.  For the last three years the Seahawks have been probably the least
>talented, most injured team in the NFL, but always manage to just miss the
>playoffs.  Why?  Chuck Knox and Dave Krieg.  I think this season's Chief and
>Seahawk teams are perfect illustrations of what this guy means to a team.  The
>Chiefs have been a Super Bowl quarterback away from the Super Bowl, and now
>they have one. It's a marraige made in Heaven.  An article in the September
>28, issue of the Sporting News has endless quotes from Seattle players saying
>how bad off they would have been without Krieg's ability and leadership.  The
>pieces are in place. GO CHIEFS!

Isn't Dave Krieg the all-time NFL leader in fumbles, too?  Before we call
him too underrated, we must consider this...

> "There's a fine line between clever and stupid."   

Yes.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: jason@cray.com (Jason Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Steve Jordan INJ Update
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:25:00 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

For those of you interested in Steve Jordan:

It looks now like Steve will not play thursday agains Detroit.
At the least he won't start.  I heard Coach Green talking about
what they plan to do for TE as I was waking to the radio this
morning.  Tice and Noveselsky will play.  I didn't catch who
would be in on passing situations (probably Noveselsky).

Jason