HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:34:11 GMT

In article: <40932@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Jeremy Friesner writes:

JF> Even if the EMPLANT was a little more expensive (and it ain't),
JF> it still carries a few features the Quadra doesn't--like IBM
JF> PC hardware emulation, and this really neat Amiga system you
JF> can add around it :-)

JF> Jeremy


JF> -- 
JF> |~~~~///~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
JF> |   ///  "Channel Z! All Static! | "WaddayaMEAN my A3000's not    |
JF> \\\///  All Day! Forever!" -B52s |  AGA compatible!  D-OH!!!" -Me |
JF> |\\X/____________________________|________________________________|


Wow?  So I can emulate a hardware system that is the "Yugo of computer
architectures?"  NeXT you'll be telling me that it'll run UNIX with
a really great CLI interface.  Boy-oh-boy, just what I've always
wanted my computer to do.

Forget about great applications and getting lots of work done.  I want
to take all my UNIX experience.  Boy, isn't life great when you can type
things like:

    expand \!* | pr -b | lpr -i4 -J \!^
    cd \!^ ; twd
    chmod 700
    cat \!*[ abcdefghijkl] > \!*; kiss \!*; rm \!*[ abcdefghijkl]

and 

    if ( "$TERM" == "xterm" ) then
      alias cd 'cd \!* ; xtitle -t "`hostname|tr a-z A-Z`: `pwd|tr a-z A-Z`"'
    endif

Orrrr.....  Maybe not.

[MGM]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:32:00 GMT
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.033606.4824@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes:
>> > 5. SW doesn't break every time the OS gets upgraded. 
>> 
>> Same on the Mac. My software didn't break when the OS got
>> upgraded. Indeed, the SECOND version of Smartcom II that
>> ever shipped (summer of '85) works under System 7.
>> 
>
>On my NeXT, not only does (most*) softare not break after an oS  
>upgrade, most of the software gets upgraded right along with the OS,  
>thanks to object orientation and shared libraries.
>
>(* be honest now - _nothing_ broke going to Sys 7?)

Actually, on _both_ platforms if you are a Good Guy and follow every
guidline and suggestion, your software will not break.  Apps on
Macintosh that break due to OS or hardware changes do things or expect
things that are undocumented or not recommended and soforth.

Even on NeXTSTEP this happens.  Look at Icon.  Icon was a buggy
program on NS2.1, but it is downright unusable in 3.0 because the
author, who worked at NeXT and had access to the private method
documentation, used undocumented features that were changed in 3.0.
Since the methods that changed weren't documented, any apps that
followed the documentation still work.

When the NeXT ADB keyboards came out, WordPerfect, coXist, SoftPC, and
Executor broke because the authors used the hardware dependant
key-codes rather than the hardware independant character codes.


It happens on all platforms.  It just seems to happen more often on
Macintosh since it has been out longer and state of the art for dirty
programming tricks ;-) is advanced...



andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "Carpe Nocturn - I get more work done after
Andrew Loewenstern      |  2 a.m. than most people do all day."
Cube Technologies, Inc. |                          - Simson Garfinkle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola)
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 04:07:49 GMT

James Smyton writes
> With regard to the posts regarding prices, how many people
> need a Quadra 950?!?  Why not a IIvx?  NeXT has a very limited
> hardware line, where Apple's overlaps its own products.  A
> good Macintosh for the average user should only be around $3000.
> Don't flame me saying that everyone needs a 040 machine.

Of course everybody doesn't need an 040 machine.  For those who do,  
the NeXT is an excellent choice.  But if your needs are met by an 030  
machine, then an 030 machine is the best deal for you.  Heck, if your  
needs are met by a Mac classic, you shouldn't even get a IIsi.

> Besides on the NeXT Station Turbos over in Quigley Hall(The  
> Econ. department on our campus) the info panel shows that
> the machine runs at 30mhz.  Apple has 030s that run faster
> than that! Convincing me to buy a NeXT would be very hard work! 

The Turbos use 33MHz 040s.  A Mac IIvx has a 32MHz 030.  But if you  
think that the clock speed being the same means the chips are just as  
powerful or as 'fast', I've got a bridge here that you might be  
interested in.
--
-
Stefano Pagiola
Food Research Institute, Stanford University
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Sculley considered for Clinton's Sec. of Commerce
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<Bx8Go8.DMG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:31:34


>>>>> "Erno" == Erno Pena (erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu)

Erno> I think [Sculley would] be an OK Secretary of Commerce, but I'd
Erno> rather see Clinton choose Ross Perot instead.

Of course. Perot is a NeXT man, so it's obvious he has a much better
understanding of what this technology is all about.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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From: jbailey@world.std.com (james d bailey)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:24:25 GMT

torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:

>jbailey@world.std.com (james d bailey) writes:
> 
>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>>Give me a break.  I bet less than 1 out of 50 Quadras run A/UX.  Apple
>>knows more about marketing than that.  They would never produce a
>>machine meant for A/UX.

>  Whoops.  Looks like you might eat your words early next year.


Are you implying that PowerOpen is going to be A/UX?  If it is then I
don't give it much chance for mainstream success.  The only way I want
UNIX on my desktop machine is if it is completely hidden.  If it
doesn't look, act, feel and smell like a Mac I don't want it.  If it
ships with a CLI shell then I don't want it.  If I have to have 2
partitions, one for the Mac and one for UNIX I don't want it.  I'll
even sacrifice pre-emptive multi-tasking, memory protection and not
being able to format floppies in the background to avoid it. :-).

If you need UNIX for some reason, having a UNIX that runs native-mode
Mac applications is great, but if you don't need UNIX, it is a poor
substitute for the Mac's ease of use.

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From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: NeXT OS, TOO SLOW TO $#@#$, etc.
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:35:15 GMT

In article <ewright.721438947@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>>all other things NeXT.  How much is MacRenderman going for these days?   
>
>Just as much as Steve Jobs decides it goes for.  Since Jobs owns 
>both companies, it's hardly fair to point to Pixar's prices as proof
>as NeXT's generosity.
>
Jobs owns part of Pixar. George Lucas owns a big chunk. Jobs is just
better than Sculley at getting discounts. Or does Sculley even try (or
care)?

Terry Wilcox
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:46:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.721341991
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov9.040749.14056@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:

>Of course everybody doesn't need an 040 machine.  For those who do,  
>the NeXT is an excellent choice.  

What about the people who need an '040 but can't afford a NeXT.
You can say that those people can't afford a Quadra, either, but
that's beside the point.  A person who needs an '040 but can't 
afford one can still get *some* of his work done on a IIsi. He
can't get any done on the NeXT (which he can't afford to buy).

Besides, there are cheaper accelerator boards for the Mac and
good reason to believe that Apple will reduce the price of '040-
class machines early next year.  NeXT seems to have no intention
of reducing the price of entry-level machines ever.  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:48:37 GMT

In article <1dkka9INNgm1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Simon B. Woodside) writes:
>
>My information is that NeXT (and all UNIX software) is more
>expensive and more space consuming than mac software.  Sometimes
>the difference is great.
>
>Simon

I don't think I have any software that takes up as much space as MS Word.
Come to think of it, WriteNow, Edit, and FrameMaker combined don't take
up as much space as Word.

NeXT software costs more than Mac software because the market is smaller.
Mac software costs more than DOS software because the market is smaller.

Terry Wilcox


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From: UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton)
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:43:04 CST

In article <1992Nov5.164523.3335@cuug.ab.ca>
wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100) writes:
 
>
>In article <ewright.720893515@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>>
>>
>Oddly enough, the only thing I do on my machine that would really
>benefit from color is looking at pictures. Word processing, software
>development, spreadsheets, math... don't need color (unless you want
>Quicktime in your essay paper. What a joke.)
>
So you only develop b&w software? Doesn't that limit your potential
market?
 
 
>>Renderman, however, is one of the few remaining advantages that NeXT
>
>Terry Wilcox
>
>
>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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                              | in 2 years when I graduate... ;)
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From: dtiberio@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.133846.14559@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
>Also, does this A3000/Emplant system have:
>  *built-in Ethernet
>  *accelerated 24-bit color w/ the addition of VRAM SIMMs
>  *three NuBUS 90 slots
>  *built-in sound input
>
>If not, then the A3000/Emplant system is a less than Quadra-level machine
>for these reasons as well.
>
>Jess Holle

	First of all, an A3000 can be found from Creative Computers for 
$1100. Second of all, who cares about 3 NuBus slots when you can get 5
32-bit Zorro II slots and three PC-AT slots for your IBM emulators. Also,
UU has promised NuBus adapter cards that fit internally, since NuBus is
smaller than the slot bay.
	24 bit graphics boards cost as little as $400. Sound input costs
as little as $60. Ethernet is not used by most home users, and is available,
as well as AppleTalk (comes with Emplant) ports. 

	Does a Quadra have IBM slots in it? Does it use IBM compatible
peripherals, or do you notice how all the ports support Apple's own greedy
standard (they used to give free computers to schools, but you had to buy
the $1,000 printers and $1,000 monitors from them...what a bargain)? Does
it have an accelerator slot? Does it support the Video Toaster? Does it
output to a VCR or TV? Douse it have two, count 'em, two joystick ports?
Does the software cost under $500? Does the hardware cost the same as
IBM compatible hardware? Does it have true pre-emptive multitasking?

	The Mac costs too much for me. God, ProWrite 3.3 was just released
and I have seen it advertised for under $100. And don't forget Sculpt 4D,
which only cost $400 on the Amiga (not a few thousand with less features).

-- 
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PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT PEROT
    "I don't have any experience in running up a 4 trillion dollar debt."
From: ttn@cs.tut.fi (Tero Nieminen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Macintosh advocacy (really!)
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:01:21
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: johnsd2@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:43:51 GMT

In article <hjh1rpg@rpi.edu> johnsd2@vccsouth28.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson) writes:

   You have a choice; you can be unresponcive (0 sleep values- you never
   waste time, but you dont give enough to the system generally) or more than
   0 sleep values. In which case you a wasting a little time, but the
   responce time remains good.

   This is of course dependant on other factors as well. If you call WaitNext
   Event enough, you could get away with a 0 sleep value. (but this is
   rather processor-speed dependant)

As far as I understand the way Mac handles application switching, and
correct me if I'm worong, the Mac goes through the entire list of
applications every time (exept fot the ones that are still asleep). Ie.
a program that expires its sleep value, will get the controll next time
it is in turn going through the application list.
-- 
         Tero Nieminen                      DANGER!
         ttn@cs.tut.fi                   Computer Bytes!
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:09:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: yvax.1992Nov10.100926.1132
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <ewright.721341991@convex.convex.com>  writes:
>In <1992Nov9.040749.14056@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
>
>>Of course everybody doesn't need an 040 machine.  For those who do,
>>the NeXT is an excellent choice.
>
>What about the people who need an '040 but can't afford a NeXT.
>You can say that those people can't afford a Quadra, either, but
>that's beside the point.  A person who needs an '040 but can't
>afford one can still get *some* of his work done on a IIsi.


Your logic is flawed.  Someone who needs an '040 to do his work, cannot do  
his work unless he has an '040.  That's what "needs" means.  "Requires."

Your argument is a variation of "But I don't need that power."  I agree.   
The NeXT is for high-end stuff.  If you don't need a NeXT, don't buy one.   
(I have an SE).


--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: System 7.1 Upgrade ($35 for each CPU)
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:53:03 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

In article <1992Nov8.144834.18640@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith), AKA: killjoy@fubar.sgi.com (Steve
Jobless) wrote:
> 
> Why should we pay for their bugs, they(apple:AKA Cupertino Fruit Company)
> assured that 7.0 was rock solid.....HA! Pay for system software indeed!!
> 
> All I have to say is........ftp......ftp.apple.com
> 
> 
> nuff said
> 
> The Scarlet Pumpernicle 

Ah, the voice of reason sounds at at last. (NOT!)

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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:48:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: gap.1dsr7oINN4nu
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

[in response to someone else]

>Ha, the A2000 is on recent price lists!  Are you saying that a machine is
>not outdated just because it is on a current price list?  And second only
>to the 950, what the hell happened to the 900?  Rather short product life
>if you ask me.  How much longer will the 700 be around?  There are Amiga
>owners who were upset about the A2000, A3000, and A4000 series when each
>was released initially.  Imagine the panic if Commodore began to drop
>models as quickly as Apple...

Well, all of the Mac models seem to be pretty compatible...

ie, there hasn't been a major "break" like the new AGA set in quite
a while.  Only the things before the Mac+ don't work anymore...

keith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: Sculley considered for Clinton's Sec. of Commerce
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:38:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.014112.13060@msc.cornell.edu> maynard@groo.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
>
>>Nope, Perot owns 13% of NeXT. Still a smart man.
>>
>>Clinton doesn't want Sculley (maybe Coke does though). 
>>Clinton wants the head of HP.
>>
>>Terry Wilcox
>>
>
>Right, the guy who endorsed Bush. I'll believe that when I see him
>appointed, no earlier.
>
>Maynard Handley

Seems to me there's two guys at HP. Maybe Clinton wants Sculley for
the American Taste Test.

'Try this computer. Which one do you think works best? You don't
win a prize for picking that one!'

Terry Wilcox


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 260-8100)
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Organization: Calgary UNIX Users' Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:57:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.025701.12333@pellns.alleg.edu> smytonj@pell4l24 (James Smyton) writes:

>I use the NeXT here at Allegheny College and have a Macintosh IIcx in my  
>room.  First, I have not seen a word processor as good as MS Word 5.1 for  
>the Mac on any of the NeXT machines.  The best I have seen for the NeXT is  
>Word Perfect 1.0.1.  This program does not give the user the versatility  
>of Word 5.  It does not have a draw program, for simple illustrations, and  
>the number of text editing tools does not compare.  My previous point was  
>that I am not looking for more than one word processor, but I am looking  
>for a selection.

I've never seen a word processor as bloated as Word 5.1. As for WordPerfect,
it sucks on any platform. Why should a word processor need a drawing
program? Use Diagram!. I think it's $25 edu. 

>
>Another shortcoming regarding the NeXT is the lack of manufacturers that  
>make any perhiperals.  Laser printers, scanners, modems, _monitors_, and  
>alternitave hardware in general.  Again I am not looking to have three  
>modems. I am looking for a choice.

So far I've used a Gandalf modem, a Supra modem, and a USR modem. I've never
heard of a normal modem that doesn't work on the NeXT. I can hook up
a wide variety of PS lasers.

>
>With regard to the posts regarding prices, how many people need a Quadra  
>950?!?  Why not a IIvx?  NeXT has a very limited hardware line, where  
>Apple's overlaps its own products.  A good Macintosh for the average user  
>should only be around $3000.  Don't flame me saying that everyone needs a  
>040 machine.  Besides on the NeXT Station Turbos over in Quigley Hall(The  
>Econ. department on our campus) the info panel shows that the machine runs  
>at 30mhz.  Apple has 030s that run faster than that! Convincing me to buy  
>a NeXT would be very hard work! 
>--
>J S  (smytonj@alleg.edu)

If you don't need an 040, then don't buy one. NeXT's aren't aimed at
the LC crowd.Neither is the Quadra.

Terry Wilcox

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:57:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.165748.23160@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.123644.4422@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>In article <torrie.721468352@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>>>dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>>>	NONE OF THE ABOVE.
>>>>	EMPLANT = DEATH OF HIGH PRICED MACINTOSH.
>>>>	FULL MACINTOSH QUADRA SYSTEMS FOR UNDER $4,000.
>>>
>>>  Hmmm.  Look at my price list
>>>
>>>M5921LL/A Macintosh Quadra 700 4MB RAM             $3227.00
>>>
>>>Been there, done that.
>>
>>	Does this machine you quote have a monitor or keyboard? Is that the
>>list price or the underground basement price? Isn't the 700 outdated now?
>
>First, even if a monitor and keyboard are not included, a good monitor
>and keyboard can be added with a total of less than $4000.  From my price
>list, an Apple 14" Display is $495 and an Apple Extended Keyboard II is
>$160.  This totals $3882.  Notice that this is a big, high quality monitor
>and a nice keyboard.  Also, notice that these are Apple peripherals, and,

Since when was 14" big? I hope you meant big in a different respect. What
size hard drive does that Quadra 700 system come with by the way? If that's
the price for the diskless system, then you better tack on $300-400 more.

>therefore, more expensive than 3rd party equivalents, so a system can be 
>found for less.
>
>I believe the price list being quoted on the main unit is educational,
>BUT those who know how to search the mail order options know that SIMILAR
>prices can be found there with sufficient effort.  Regardless, this price
>will be dropping by a lot in Jan. or Feb. when more Quadras come out.  Will
>the price of the Emplant system be able to drop sufficiently to keep up???

Heh. Emplant is not the main cost of the system. The A4000 is.

>
>No, the Quadra 700 isn't outdated.  It is on this price list that is only
>a couple of weeks old.  It is second only to the Quadra 950 in general
>CPU performance.  It is a vital niche in Apple's product line, and if
>phased out will be replaced by something similar (and cheaper).

Well, Emplant is no threat to Apple as of now. No one has yet verified its
reliability and functionality (though maybe after reading c.s.a.emulations
it will have been). Also, I don't think Quadra emulation has been completed,
just IIci? So Apple can continue to market its high-priced systems with no
fear.

>
>Jess Holle

Francis

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