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	Well...

	looks like some folks have had the EMPLANT board for a couple days
	and yet not a single report of ANY functionality for ANY board
	under ANY configuration.

	This does not look good.

	What I would like to request is: Would ANYONE that owns, or has
	seen EMPLANT with ANY degree of functionality (in emulation)
	please post as soon as possible.  Do not put it off to write
	a review...  that can wait.  Just let us know that some functionality
	has been achieved.

	The reason for my request is that my EMPLANT board is here (in town)
	ans is waiting for me to pay COD.  The package will sit in a holding
	pattern for only two days, then UPS sends it back to UU.  I'll
	let it go back if no one can verify basic functionality, so please,
	speak up....  Thanks.

	Also, rumor has it that it will not function on an A3000 unless the
	OS is in ROMs.  Is this true?

	-Mike-



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From: hemenovr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (michael anthoney)
Subject: Emplant (not flame)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:54:50 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: dtiberio@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: What to do when my Emplant arrives?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:46:28 GMT


	Okay, I know I need a battery, and a ROM dump utility. Where
can I get these? I assume the battery could come from a photo shop. 
Is it absolutely necessary for the Emplant to work?
	I think I have the ROM dump, but I only have a Mac Plus. Doesn't
Emplant come with a Mac disk and the ROM dump utility?
	Is SYBIL necessary to read/write Mac disks?

	Does Emplant support all of the Amiga graphics modes?



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From: billc@cryo.rain.com (William J. Coldwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: AMAX and SYBIL
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:30:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.billc.0gx8
Reply-To: billc@cryo.rain.com
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
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In article <1992Nov11.015633.4402@en.ecn.purdue.edu> wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner) writes:
> That's in Arkansas, home state of some Prez-elect.  Know which one?
Arizona... I won't humiliate you too badly ;-))).
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: UU Regrets to tell you that...
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:41:52 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Memo: Emplants delayed...
From: Utilities Unlimited.

We at Utilities Unlimited regret to inform you that shipment of
the Emplant will once again be delayed.

You see, just after we packed the UPS truck and he was on his way uh...
SPACE ALIENS came and uh... beamed up the whole truck!  Yeah!  We tried
to shoot the space ship down but our bullets just bounced off the hull.
It was horrible.

Then they came in and, uh, took all the diagrams and prototypes and
our files.

As soon as we redeisign the board and get some back from the prototypers
we'll be shiping.

Thanks for your patience,

G. Y. Athetop, Utilities Unlimited.


(it's just a joke.  Besides, you could sue me, but ya can't get blood
from a rock!  :)


--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: g_simkin@oz.plymouth.edu (Gregory D. Simkins)
Subject: A64 Software
Reply-To: g_simkin@oz.plymouth.edu (Gregory D. Simkins)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 21:20:39 GMT

Does anyone out there have a list of software that will run on the A64
emulation software., If not I'de like to compile one.  If someone has
already started doing this I'de like to add there results with mine...
The list would need to include the following
**********************************************************************
Name        |Version          |Setting for A64

Also a list of software which can be converted to 68000 would be
helpful, have yet to see any lists of either type yet so any
suggestions would be helpful

It may only be C=64 software we're talking about but there are a lot
of unported games that are fantastic.

Funny with all the bandwidth Emplant get's as Vaporware it's a shame
that a fine product like the A64 Package (at $39.00) doesn't get it's
share.

I'de prefer all list to be sent EMail and I will be happy to post
compiled lists as they develop.

Oh , and thanks Cliff -- I really missed my C=64....

Sims


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From: shambarg@netcom.com (Scott Shambarger)
Subject: Re: Emplant etc late arrival
Keywords: Emplant, emulator, late
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:12:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.194922.10658@nynexst.com> rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) writes:
>In article <cmp0119.721054765@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk> cmp0119@sys.uea.ac.uk (Paul Harrison) writes:
>>This isn't a flame from an enraged Emplant would-be owner
>>or anything like that, but just a comment. Wouldn't UU have
>>been better off actually waiting for their board to be ready
>>before actually announcing it? Why do so many companies seem
>
>	It is not just UU, AT&T -- a good sized company -- announced
>the video phone to be shipped last June.  Now they are saying late '93,
>or 18 months later (I bet it won't work ever).  Sure you should be pissed
>off at UU, but you did not see me send in money.  I generally wait until
>I see something work first.  Even if it did start shipping, it may not ever
>work well. 
>
>	The best reason for announcing it early is to kill AMAX-II sales.
>
>						--Rob.
>

I was down at the Office Depot today and saw the AT&T video phone,
color LCD display and all (this looks totally increadible! if it only
didn't cost $1500) so I guess AT&T escape this particular criticism...

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From: trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell)
Subject: I HAVE EMPLANT!
Summary: emplant
Keywords: emplant
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:48:31 GMT


I have the Emplant board....it was delivered about 10 min ago....
the manual is of the Photocopy style....and it shows a picture
of a Mac II on it with the EMPLANT board sitting on top of it...
I would love to sit and chat....but...you know....I will try to
post up tonight on how easy/hard it is to install...and if it
works.....(how well)....


BUT it DOES exist....I am glad I waited....now....time to get to work!!!

ok...you plug this here....then open this....
From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Emplant shipping (True or false?)
Date: 4 Nov 92 03:22:24 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

I just called them and that's what they told me:

1) The software had a bug, so Jim has been unavailable 'cause he "has been
kicking his butts off" (it has been YEARS since I heard such idiom!  It
does feel grweat to know that you still can hear good and proper
friendliness over the phone once in a while ;-)  The soft is ready and
copied.

2) They are getting batch out today, tomorrow and after tomorrow for the
whole orders up to october.  He said that they are sending 2nd day mail, I
said "well, I won't really get it 2nd day, but that's ok".  now if they are
using a private carrier and they don't CHARGE me for it (since I didn't ask
for that service) I'll really feel great about UU, and you bet that I'll be
more than happy to find costumers for them! ;-)

Let's hope that the Emplant deal is about to end.  This wait is bad for
them and bad for us.  Anyhow as of today my CC isn't charged yet (or it
doesn't appear as yet! ;-)

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From: James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant..Arriving soon!
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:07:50 CST
Organization: TelePro Technologies

In a message dated Mon  9 Nov 92 18:04, Blanke@bigboy (mark Blanke) wrote:

I have not posted on this topic for a very long time, but I could not
resist this:

 BB> I was told by UU on friday (6th) that EMPLANT IS SHIPPING.  They 
 BB> supposedly started shipping Thursday night and I expect to receive my
 BB> board today or tomorrow.  As soon as I get it I will make a post

This is interesting. Jim Drew posted a message here at least A MONTH AND A
HALF AGO that the product WAS shipping. I have been patiently waiting for a
posting by a recipent ever since he posted that message. No one in the
interventing time has received the product, so I think I can safely assume
that he was lying when he said it was shipping before.

The question now is, do you still believe him?

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From: Gene_Ruebsamen@republik.fidonet.org (Gene Ruebsamen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: A-MaxII and Sys 6.0.8
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:18:20 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

Hmm.. I only have sys 6.0.3 but the volume seems to work fine for me. I was
using AMax 2.0, and then upgraded to 2.50.  2.50 is suppose to work with
systems all the way up to the current version of sys7.0
-Gene

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From: rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Angus Y. Montgomery)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: apple // emulator? any info?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 06:22:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

 basically TSSA (the subject says all): does anyone know anything
 of an Apple//, //e or similar emulator?

 preferably for the Amiga, but a PC version will do...
 
 thanx.
From: mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: AMAX 2.5 and Microsoft Works SS
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:56:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: uoft02.1992Nov6.225611.11020


Under AMAX 2.5, the spreadsheet portion of Microsoft works is messed
up.  First, file headers get screwed up, and I sometimes get dates and
or other test in the A1 cell.  Second, calculations will get all messed
up.  For example, if I put 1 in A1, and have A2 set to A1+1, A2 will show
1, and not 2, no matter how much I change A1.  This doesnt happen under
2.06, so I have to go use that version in order to use the program.  But,
then I cant use the HP driver, since it only works 'properly' under
2.5.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?  This is the only program
that I have encountered that does that.

-- 
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From: hpverwei@cs.ruu.nl (Dick Verweij)
Subject: WANTED: review of new KCS powerboard (with dual HD floppy??)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:59:34 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science


Does anybody have the full specs of the new version of the  KCS powerboard?
( I have heard something about HD flops and VGA 256 color support)

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT...FINALLY
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:49:29 GMT

In article <92314.205009ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> <ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Is this a repost or something? I recall Emplant started shipping a month ago.
>  Anthony

Do people still believe in this Emplant thing?  Sheesh, it was supposed to
be shipping months ago, yet I keep seeing messages about it being available
in a day, a week, two weeks, etc.  What gives?

I know, maybe he is waiting for the Falcon to be released so that Atari can't
lay claim to the longest running vaporware rumors.  :-)

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who don't need no stinkin' Eggplant
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: billc@cryo.rain.com (William J. Coldwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant..Arriving soon!
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:26:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.billc.0gx2
Reply-To: billc@cryo.rain.com
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
X-PHRASEMONGER: Somewhat Nice (V3.0 Beta)
X-SIGNATUREMONGER: Nice (V1.1)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (11.07.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0p02@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
> In a message dated Mon  9 Nov 92 18:04, Blanke@bigboy (mark Blanke) wrote:
> I have not posted on this topic for a very long time, but I could not
> resist this:

You should have.  Bad timing.

>  BB> I was told by UU on friday (6th) that EMPLANT IS SHIPPING.  They 
>  BB> supposedly started shipping Thursday night and I expect to receive my
>  BB> board today or tomorrow.  As soon as I get it I will make a post
> 
> This is interesting. Jim Drew posted a message here at least A MONTH AND A
> HALF AGO that the product WAS shipping. I have been patiently waiting for a

It was shipping to beta testers.

> posting by a recipent ever since he posted that message. No one in the
> interventing time has received the product, so I think I can safely assume
> that he was lying when he said it was shipping before.

No, you just didn't ask who it was shipping to.

> The question now is, do you still believe him?

No.  Now sit down.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer)
Subject: Re: Emplant stuff...
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:57:45 GMT

Where d I get the prgram to copy the roms directly from a Mac instead of having
to stick them into Emplant first?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.0 on KCS Powerboard
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:10:09 GMT

tarjan@iastate.edu (Scot) writes:

>In article <92310.175539TPATTERS@ESTEC.BITNET> TPATTERS@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
>>Short answer: not a lot!
>>
>>Basically, Winnie, I just want to see if it can do it as the adverts claim.
>>I don't expect it to run very fast but I do have a number of programs
>>(PD and stuff written by colleagues at work here) that I'd like to try and run.
>>Speed isn't so important and monchrome VGA would be fine. I'm just not to
>>up on all these strange memory modes on the IBM machines and the DOS and
>>Windows manuals don't really make it clear what would be best for the
>>KCS powerboard settings. I've managed to get the mouse/pointer working, but
>>what are the best buffer settings, etc., etc.
>>
>>Tim

>It might just be me.. But Windows REQUIRES a 286 or greater.. You wont
>be able to do much with just an xt emulator..

>Windows 2.X will run on an xt though.,..

No, Windoofs 3.0  doesn't require a 286: Remember the so called
'Real Mode'... 3.1 indeed does require a 286 or greater.

But please don't tease yourselves...

winnie.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell)
Subject: EMPLANT...FINALLY
Keywords: emplant
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:51:04 GMT

I spoke with the (always) tired sounding woman at UU and she said that
my order was shipped out friday....(last) and that I will be receiving
EMPANT tomorrow.....so hopefully the UPS man cometh?! I will post up
here tomorrow if it does...and then...after installing and checking it
I will try to give a quick review of it....


tick....tick.....tick.....now waiting for tomorrow....

;)
 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: yoav@athena.mit.edu (Yoav O. Yerushalmi)
Subject: Re: emulators
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:47:47 GMT

To: 
Subject: Re: emulators - comp.sys.amiga.emulations #6589

In article <1992Nov11.160802.117882@yosemite.cs.csufresno.edu>, quang@yosemite.cs.csufresno.edu (Quang Ngo) writes:
|> From article <199211.4478.7858@dosgate>, by "p. colagiacomo" <p..colagiacomo@canrem.com>:
|> > Can IBM Emulate anything else besides the Apple //?
|> > 
|> > I tried the c64 emulator but its not to great.
|> 
|> It emulates CP/M, Atari, and ???



  I think I once saw an Amiga emulator on an IBM bbs...  was probably crap
though...  haven't seen it running

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Subject: Re: Help wanted - networking Amiga and Mac
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:33:44 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <1992Nov6.190623.28389@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> pmancini@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Mancini) writes:
=	Funny you mention this, Chris Richardson, the East Coast
=Commodore rep, and all around excellent person, has been attempting the
=same thing.  The TCP/IP card on the Mac is 10BaseT and on the Amiga it
=is BNC.  I was just informed this moring that a 10BaseT->BNC converter
=does exist but there is some circuitry involved and it costs around
=$150US.  If you are really interested send EMAIL to me and I'll try and
=track down the actual part.
=
	That's weird, the Amiga ethernet card can do AUI and a
	Lantronix AUI<->10BaseT converter costs < $75 in these
	parts.

		-Rob
From: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu (Ryan K. Brooks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: List of Emplant "bugs" from UU.
Date: 13 Nov 1992 23:01:16 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1992Nov13.195130.10899@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner) writes:
>I just got off the phone with "Joe" from UU. (Friday Nov 13)
>We spent about 15 minutes discussing some of the problems.
>Joe was the *ONLY* person there.  He was having to answer two phone
>lines, and work on bug fixes by himself!  (busy man!)
>He had one phone in one ear, his eyes on a monitor, and
>another phone on hold!  (wonder where his mind is?)
>
>I tried not to keep him too long, but here is a summary:
>
>A3000's without 2.04 roms are in the worst shape.
>Emplant doesn't like using Superkickstart loaded from HD.  (likes roms)
>LowMap works for some people, not for others.
>Still no HD support.
>Still doesn't run under 2.0.  It did at one time, but Jim likes 1.3 and
>  finished developing the rest of the softare under 1.3 assuming that 
>  it still ran fine under 2.0.
>
>All of these problems are currently being worked on.
>They hope to have them corrected sometime "next week."  (I hate those words)
>Emplant.lha is available on the BBS.  It fixes disk caching and 32bit QuickDraw.
>  (not much need of me dnlding this until I they get some of the other fixes!)
>
>BTW: UU tells me that they *WERE* pressured into releasing Emplant in it's
>     current state due to legal "pressure/threats".  Personally, I would have
>     rather they waited.  Of course, I would rather Jim had not told us that
>     it was ready when it wasn't!  I'd rather have World Peace, too.
>
>BTW2: I did dnld the new AmigaVideo driver (faster) and the Readme files
>      that were *SUPPOSED* to be on the Emplant floppy.  I'll try to upld
>      them to wuarchive in the incoming/hardware directory.
>      All Emplant buyers will receive the new revised manual/software once they
>      are completed.
>
>The bottom line is:
>  "Ain't much need of trying any more, until they get these fixes done".
>That is, unless your running:
>  '020 or '030 with system 1.2/1.3 roms 
>   and don't care about HD support (ie. no Mac sys7)
>
>I think I'll wait.


yes, but does it work at all?  Does it ever even get to a mac screen in
any configuration?  This is not a meant as a fire-starter question, its
just what a lot of people want to know.


is what all of us want to know.
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From: blanke@bigboy (Mark Blanke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: EMPLANT...Lets work together.
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:12:44 GMT
Organization: Temple University

Here is an idea.  Would everyone who has an EMPLANT Board mail me a message.
In the message please indicate which board you got (SCSI option, mini-dins)
and what the configuration of your Amiga is.  Then tell me what you
have tried and what the outcome was.   I have a few ideas and I need 
people with different configs to help out.  The more people that respond the 
better.  I will post any findings.

Hopefully everyone will help.


Attention Jim.  If there are any specific problems that I should be aware of
please E-mail me. alert me to new version of the software etc.


				Thanks,

				Mark Blanke

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From: ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: THE VAPOR TEST?
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:05:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92316.220532ADB103
Organization: Penn State University

I'm guessing that a product is still classified as vapor as long as noone can
get it to work. (even if it has been marketed)
adb
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