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From: wem53067@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Bard )
Subject: Re: Opinions on KEF Speakers?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:04:01 GMT

davidric@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david ricardo) writes:

>I am looking for some new speakers at about $1000 for the pair. I was
>looking at a pair of KEF Q90s. These will be my first set of real
>speakers and haven't had much experience listening great systems.

>So I am looking for opinions on KEF and or a great pair of speakers
>for $1000.

>Where is the FAQ for this group which has suggestion like these?

>			Ricardo 
>			davidric@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

>-- 

>| Ricardo David              RacerX Engineering              |
>| University of Illinois          ...keep them mowing        |
>| davidric@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                 blades sharp ... | 

Welp, I like KEF cause they are a mellow speaker, neutral, ect. Very English
in the way they sound. Not Much Bass though.... Anyways, You could spend
1K better though, because KEF's tend to be a bit overpriced. Not a Bad speaker
though...

-Later, The Bard
wem53067@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: eng20015@nusunix1.nus.sg (GOH KING SHY)
Subject: ~~~~ROOM TUNES~~~~
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:27:36 GMT

	Has anyone out there had a first hand experience
fiddling with Room Tunes. I have read very very amzing things about
them in magazines like "The Absolute Sound",  "Hi-Fi Heretic" and
"In Terms of Music".  Most of them claim that Room Tunes will improve
the clarity and timbral accuracy tremendously, more focused and tighter
bass, and a transformed soundstage that will keep your smile forever.
How true are these claims?  I am quite skeptical about such pompous
claims.  

	I think my room which is quite small is slightly overdamped,
lots of pillows, books and drapes!!  Will Room Tunes really improve the
sound?

	Thanx to anyone who can help answer questions.



-jinX.
 eng20015@nusunix1.nus.sg

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mp10325@eehp6 (Micah Kendrick Peng)
Subject: Stereo Stuff Forsale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:10:52 GMT


I have the following stuff forsale:


Panasonic Mini-component System SCCH55  $520
  Only 3 weeks old! Great for small spaces
  CD Player
  Dual Cassette Deck w/Dolby B and Auto Reverse
  Tuner w/20 Am/Fm Presets
  Karaoke Function
  Remote Control
  3-way Speakers


Magnavox Portable CD Player AZ6812    $120
  4x Oversampling
  Dual bit D/A converter
  Dynamic Bass Boost
  Car Accesories Included
  Headphones Included
  Carrying Case Included


Sony BoomBox CFD-757     $270
  CD Player
  Dual Cassette Decks
  5 Sound MOdes
  Detachable 2-way speakers
  Remote Control



Pioneer Receiver   VSX-D901S   $850
  Digital Signal Processing
  Dolby Pro-Logic
  Remote Control
  Lots of power!


Sony CD Changer CDP-C910    $380
  10 disc magazine
  1 bit D/A converter
  8x oversampling
  remote control


Sony Dual Cassette Deck TC-WR790  $300
  Dolby B,C, HX Pro
  Auto-Reverse
  Music Search
  Remote Control


If you're interested in anything or have any questions,
please email me at mpeng@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu

Micah
From: cwilliams@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: HELP! - STEREO VCRs
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:08:44 GMT
Organization: Georgetown University

I am trying to buy my husband some equipment for his "home video 
center."

Could someone please advise me on the difference between a "Hi-fi" VCR 
and a "Hi-Fi Stereo" VCR?  We have a stereo TV.  I want a VCR that will 
record and play back in stereo and play rented movies in stereo.  I 
have had sales people tell me that hi-fi and stereo are the same 
thing.  I just bought a Hi-Fi Toshiba VCR with VCR+ but now I'm 
worried that it isn't really "stereo"  - if it is not I can still take 
it back but can someone help please!!!

Write to me directly if you'd like.  Any suggestions on VCR's that 
I should buy are  useful too!




@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@        
Carol Gangnath
Bitnet/Profs address: BITNET%"CWILLIAMS@GUVAX"
Internet:  EDU%"CWILLIAMS@GUVAX.GEORGETOWN.EDU"

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From: ritc0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Kent C. Ritchie)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Good portable Disc players?
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:07:18 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota


I have a Sony D-303.  I think it is a great unit.  It is has a metal
chasis and is very well built.  It is very skip resistant.  I walk with
it and ride my bike with it (both with the player in a bag in a vertical
position) and it only skips when jumping off curbs and big bumps.  The
rechargable battery is great.  And the unit (like all new Sony portable
players as far as I know) comes with a neat remote control pair of
headphones.  The only reason I wouldn't get this unit is Sony has a new
model out that it smaller, has a rubberized chasis, and has a 3 second
buffer like that of the minidisc.  The D-303 also has an optical digital
output by the way... although the internal 1 bit DAC sounds great... I
would guess the optical output is probably best used with a DAT.  To sum
up... my experience with the D-303 has been far above what I expected from
Sony after owning a D-9.

Kent
From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:00:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Ultimate Cable?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

> >Stranded Niobium wires in liquid helium.  Maximum current 20A before
> >Meissner effect kicks in,  and makes the resistance non-zero.
> >
>    You think audioflakes care about techie details like that?
> 
> >Two feet of cable per speaker.  Cost $10,000,000.00.  I'll throw in a
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >lifetime support agreement for free.
> >
>    You just said the magic words.  It is a dogma in the audioflake
>    religion that cables CAN'T be worth a darn if they don't require
>    a years income or more.  With that price, you'll be sold out
>    overnight.

And hey, at the price, he's only gotta sell ONE!


Bob Myers            | "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." 
myers@fc.hp.com      |                     - Lazarus Long/Robert A. Heinlein
                     |                                
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: pwai (Patrick Wai)
Subject: Advice needed for Extended Warranty
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: Adobe Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:56:01 GMT


Folks:

I will be purchasing 2 CD boom boxes ($175, $325) w/i the next few weeks.

The salesperson at Good Guys INSISTED that it's a good idea to get extended
warranties for them.

What do you guys think?


Patrick
(pwai@mv.us.adobe.com)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: stewarte@sco.COM (just a guy made of dots and lines)
Subject: Re: CD skipping comment
Organization: Captain Napalm's Thermonuclear League of Liberty
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:08:26 GMT


After overdosing on Halcion, bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) typed:
[ regarding skipping in car CD player ]

>It appears the discs that skip are usually the long discs, and
>the ones that don't are much shorter in length.
>
>Just a data point if anyone cares.

I had a car CD player for about two years (until yesterday -- it
was ripped off, sigh) and I'd noticed a similar correlation between
disc length and likelihood of skipping.  In recent months, however,
it had started skipping on some discs even in the absence of road bumps;
these skips seemed less correlated to length.

-- Stewart
-- 
Is there a dry unoccupied aquarium?
That may be refilled with fish and tranquility.
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From: BARRON@RHQVM14.VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 08:07:32 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Xover design programs
Reply-To: BARRON@RHQVM14.VNET.IBM.COM

Does anyone know of any public domain xover design programs?

Even a public domain version of spice, or something like that.

I d/l'd a PSPICE from Madisoounds BBS, but can't get it to work at all.

Also, does anyone have any info on how to order LEAP, or where to
get some glossies on it?

Organization: Advantis Network Engineering and Planning
Disclaimer: This reflects the poster's views, not those of Advantis
News-Software: Usenet 3.0
X-X-From: Dave Barron
From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: WANTED:Trntbl dust cvr for Luxman pd275
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:11:20 GMT
Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL

In article <1992Oct8.142758.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>
>  I need a dust cover for a luxman pd275 turntable. I contacted a local dealer
>and got some strange sounds over the phone. thanxs in advance.   Kris


Try this number:  800-421-5080 for West coast parts distrib.

Luxman: 213-326-8000

Best regards   Robert
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Subject: Re: 6th Ave Electronics City
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:20:52 GMT


	There is a "store" in Brooklyn, NY that usually has better
prices than 6th Ave.  Its called S.B.H. Enterprises.  The "store" is
in this guys basement but the radar detector I bought from them 1 1/2
years ago is still working fine.

							- Warren
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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Connecting FM antenna to receiver
Date: 10 Oct 92 11:11:17 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Oct6.204534.13622@cs.ucla.edu>, rajeev@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Rajeev Gupta) writes:
> I recently purchased a Kenwood KR-V8040 receiver.  It came with a
> regular FM wire antenna.  My question is - how should I place the
> antenna?  

The trash can is the best location for these antennas.  

But seriously, if you can't do anything else... tack the antenna to the wall,
as high up as you can.  The top of the "T" should be horizontal.  Let the lead
wire fall straight down from the center of the T at a right angle.  

The antenna will be directional with the strongest sensitivity being to
stations whose signals arrive at right angle to the "face" of the T (ie, at
right angle to the wall).  Least sensitivity will be in the directions parallel
to the wall. 

Didn't the receiver's manual have illustrations?

Hmm... I infer from your address that you're at UCLA?  Southern California, the
home of stucco construction.  Note that if the outside walls are covered with
stucco (which is laid over a wire mesh) the antenna will not work as well as it
might if you could get it outside.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: schapple@mozzarella.journalism.indiana.edu
Subject: Phillips?
Reply-To: schapple@ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:35:48 GMT



I was wondering if any of you had any experience with Phillips equipment.  
It's mostly used in Europe.  Any info would be great because I was  
thinking about buying a Phillips Receiver with Dolby Surround Sound and  
some Polk audio speakers.

Any opinions?


Shawn Chapple
schapple@journalism.indiana.edu
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Black rubber CD rings - Any good ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:41:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct14.184144.29470
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Oct14.172148.7135@mprgate.mpr.ca> mcvey@mpr.ca (Iain McVey) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.053532.18154@news.acns.nwu.edu> andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
>>Can anyone tell me that by adding this ring, what improvement of error rate
>>is noticed?  To my feeble understanding, as long as the 0's and 1's are read
>>correctly, the sound should be identical.  SO, what you have suggested is 
>>that by adding the ring, the error rate was reduced to make the improvement
>>in sound.  Can anyone verify this?  Was there any test to show that by
>>using the ring such reduction in error in sampling was achieved?
>
>A little more fat for the fire:
>[...]
>Summary:  If your player has a cheap, shaky transport (does it skip when
>you slam a door) then you will probably notice a difference.  If you
>move up to a player with a solid transport ( you have to bounce it
>around pretty hard to get it to skip), you will probably not notice any
>difference.

So, do you think by adding these rings the error rate would be reduced
in the cheaper machines because the ring will somehow stablize the
transport system?   Any facts/studies to prove this assertion?

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim  (708) 491-5294(o) 570-0584(h) andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
" Against that positivism which stops before phenomena, saying 'there are only
  facts,'  I should say: no, it is precisely facts that do not exist, only
  interpretations..."   Friedrich Nietzsche.        andrew@delta.eecs.nwu.edu
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Science versus TechnoBabble and Golden Ears
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:57:47 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct16.124646.761@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
>
>Not only that, but a lot of US high-end equipment is in HUGE demand in Japan! 
>(At least this is what I've been told by sources I consider reliable.  I 
>haven't seen it with my own eyes.)
>
    I wouldn't say huge demand, but a big Mac is definitely a status
    symbol.  

    Mostly power amps and speakers in my experience.  And the
    American speakers are more a symbol that you have a big house
    and can have speakers with some bass output.
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Speaker building question
Keywords: speaker building
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:25:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: gold.5393
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <marcel.718464571@convex.convex.com> marcel@convex.com 
(Marcel Bourque) writes:

>When you calculate the volume of speaker enclosures using the
>various formulas in the Loudspeaker Designers Cookbook, does the
>calculation assume the driver has no volume? In other words if
>the calculations come out to 870 cubic inches and I estimate the
>driver occupies 80 cubic inches, do I build an enclosure of
>870 or 950 (870+80) cubic inches?

To my knowlegde none of the published formulas or software have any
way of knowing what you are going to put into the box to comsume
volume, ie  speaker, crossover, bracing, green felt tip pens, etc.

In running various cabinet volumes with specific speakers on LEAP I
have found that small variations in cabinet volume are not critical as
long as the box is "big" enough to start.

I am sure that there are certain speakers that make the box size more
critical, but my experience level doesn't allow me to speak to this
without researching. 

I am sure that if you compensate for ALL of the items that take up volume
in the cabinet you will NOT be disappointed!

-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: rec.audio,sci.electronics
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Headphone audio -- how do they simulate distance
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.015436.12819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
>
>	When you listen to music over headphones, it is possible
>for the audio to be recorder such that it either sounds like it
>is coming from the center of your head, or that it is coming from
>both sides.

If the signal is in phase, it will sound like it is coming from the center,
but if the two channels are out of phase, it will sound like it is coming
from the sides.  This is the case with properly set up speakers, as well.
--scott
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject:  Recommendation of Aiwa Decks?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:11:06 GMT


Any recommendations on Aiwa tape decks in the $250 - $400 price range?  I am
looking for a deck with one well, Dolby C & HXPro, and 3 motors if possible.
I have an Aiwa head unit in my car and would recommend it any day, but how 
are their home decks?
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Re: Sony STR AV1070 ... SUMMARY
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:48:51 GMT

In article <7490237@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> yip@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Yip) writes:
>
>I have an STR-AV1020 and have had similar problems that you have described.
>I just got my reciever repaired (3 days before the warranty expired).
>
>I have had the following problems:
>
>   1.  Loud buzzing from the main speakers.

Didn't have this.

>   2.  Hiss from the rear channels.

Still have this, to some degree.

>   3.  Inauduble noise displayed on spectrum analyzer when volume is
>       adjusted from remote.

My 1070 still has this problem, I just got it back from the Sony
Repair Center two days ago. This seems to be a silly design flaw,
the same power supply feeds the display board as the volume knob
motor. When the motor runs, it generates noise that affects the
spectrum analyzer on the display board.

>   4.  Extreme heat emissions.

Yeah, although it doesn't seem quite as bad now.
>
>The receiver was just repaired for the buzzing in the main speakers.
>The problem was a loose internal ground connection.  The receiver
>runs fine (for now).  However, I can still roast marshmellows on it.
>
>I too am somewhat disappointed by the receiver.  I like Sony products
>because of their design and quality.  However, the quality seems to
>be going downhill.
>
>Please keep me informed of this on-going topic.
>I can be reached through E-mail at yip@fc.hp.com

Well, mine was at the shop for only 6 days, came back with about 6
parts changed, a couple chip resistors and a couple electrolytic
capacitors. I looked up the part numbers in my service manual, but
couldn't isolate exactly where the parts might have gone. Seemed to
be localized to the main power board and the display board, but I
haven't looked to check for the exact board locations.

It seems that the 60 hertz hum is gone from my rear surround
speakers, but I haven't run the unit long enough to see if the
other problems are completely gone. It's interesting that the
repair is quoted as "bring parts up to factory spec" and the unit
has behaved this way almost from day one.

Something that wasn't in the previous survey - how many times
have you taken your unit in for repair? This was my only trip
so far. 
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard d Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Loudspeaker Design Software
Keywords: Software Where?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:10:53 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <Oct15.223919.29740@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cj414491@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Corey D. Jackson) writes:
>I have seen people referring to LEAP and other loudspeaker design
>software.  Is there an FTP site for these?  If someone has them
>available but does not want an "FTP Wave", send me e-mail... I 
>can keep a secret.  ;^)

LEAP is a commercial product, around $295 for the basic product. It uses
some semi-proprietary (and pretty good) algorithms developed by Chris Strahm.

-- 
|                Dick Pierce                |
|    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |
| 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |
|       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Subject: What's a good MO price on an Adcom CD player?
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:09:13 GMT

Hi there,
I'm in the market for a CD player and have decided on the Adcom player. A
Milwaukee audio store is selling it at $500. What should I expect to
pay mail-order? 6th Ave. lists it at $466- Yes, I know those guys are
scum, and I know it's grey-market mechandise. Since I'd like to save
a few bucks on the player and avoid sales tax, I'm probably going to
buy mail-order. Does anyone have any suggestions for a reputable
MO outlet with competative pricing? Please include the company
phone and address- thanks.
Andre
.

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Science versus TechnoBabble and Golden Ears
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 08:07:50 GMT

While reading article <23900@alice.att.com>, I noticed that
jj@alice.UUCP (jj, really disgusted curmudgeon) said the following:
 >This is part of why the US HAS no audio industry.

Uh, I know it's hip and trendy in this thread to bash the Golden Ears, but
in reference to the comment above, try the following exercise:

1) Pick up a copy of the October, 1992 issue of Stereophile.
2) Scan through both the "Recommended Components" and the advertisements
   within, and note the number of companies located overseas.

As opposed to mass-fi, the locale of high-end audio manufacturers breaks down
more or less as:

	90%	United States
	 5%	Europe
	 3%	Canada
	 2%	Japan

Just my quick $.02...
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From: kenyee@sneakers (Ken Yee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Speaker recommendation ($1500/pair)
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:12:22 EDT

In article <4ep0IQS00Uh7E12Fg=@andrew.cmu.edu> dd36+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Daniel M. Deright) writes:
> 
> If you range is $1500/2000 a pair, take a look at the Theil's.
> 
> The 1.2's cost under $1300 and are about the best 2-way I have ever
> heard.  If you like imaging and transparent mids and highs, you simply
> MUST listen to these.
> 
> If you can break the top of your budget to about $2200, listen to the
> Theil 2.2's.  When driven by a good (warm) mosfet or TUBE amps these are
> the best dynamic speakers (barring the WAMM's) that I have ever heard. 
> They not only maintain the 1.2's fantastic mid's and high's, but add
> some of the most powerful, tight bass you are likely to hear out of a
> speaker smaller than an economy car.
   If you're in this range, try the B&W 804's ($2200) and
   NEAR 50ML ($1600).
   Connected to Adcom 565 monoblocks, I thought the B&W's were much
   more involving and imaged better.  The 2.2's were very flat in
   response though...probably more so that the 2.2's.
   The NEAR's filled the room up and have better bass response than the
   804's...possibly even the 2.2's.  Not as delicate as the 804's
   though.  The NEAR was hooked to a Counterpoint SA-100 amp.
   With both the B&W and NEAR, it's hard to tell the sound is coming
   from the speakers...
   anyways, just MHO...

 ken
Newsgroups: rec.audio