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From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Folk Sampler song
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:59:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov5.212359.913@nwnexus.WA.COM> wjones@halcyon.com (Warren Jones) writes:
#>fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
#>
#>>I heard a song on last week's Folk Sampler that I was going to 
#>>remember to look up later , and now I hardly remember anything about 
#>>it.  The main line went something like "I keep on singing" or "I have 
#>>to keep on singing" or "i just keep on singing" or something (I wish I 
#>>remembered it better).
#>
#>Did it go something like this ?
#>
#>	My life goes on in endless song
#>	Above earth's lamentations
#>	I hear the real, though far-off hymn
#>	That hails a new creation.
#>
#>	Through all the tumult and the strife
#>	I hear it's music ringing,
#>	It sounds an echo in my soul.
#>	How can I keep from singing?
#>
#>	When tyrants tremble in their fear
#>	And hear their death knell ringing,
#>	When friend rejoice both far and near
#>	How can I keep from singing?
#>
#>	In prison cell and dungeon vile
#>	Our thoughts to them are winging,
#>	When friends by shame are undefiled
#>	How can I keep from singing?
#>
#>I copied the lyrics from Enya's "Shepard Moons" CD, but
#>to tell the truth I don't much care for her version.
#>I think Pete Seeger has recorded this, and probably a
#>bunch of other people besides.  No credits on my recording --
#>I suspect it's traditional, public domain.  Anyone care
#>to correct me?
#>-- 
#>Warren Jones
#><wjones@halcyon.com>

I'm pretty sure I heard a reference to the author of
this tune recently but can't recall who it is.

I'll see if I can locate it.

Steve Goldfield
From: dvalent@husc8.harvard.edu (Daniel Valentine)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Kate and Anna McGarrigle
Summary: Request for info on CD's by Kate and Anna McGarrigle
Keywords: Kate Anna McGarrigle
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:36:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.dvalent.720945391

I have only been able to find one album by Kate and Anna McGarrigle
on CD.  I can't remember the title of the one I did find (Heartbeats  
Accelerating?), but I was wondering if any more were available
anywhere else.

                            Dan Valentine
                            dvalent@husc.harvard.edu
From: HF.PEC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Doug Peckler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: ENYA - 'The Lady of Shalott'
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:37:02 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <Nov.9.16.08.55.1992.10742@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
hauk@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keira E. Hauk) writes:
>A few months ago I heard a set of unreleased  Enya  songs,  on  the
radio.  >Among many beautiful melodoes and Irish folk songs she sang
her  own  version  of Tennyson's poem, "The Lady of Shalott." > >Did
anyone else out there hear it also; if so, what did  you  think  and
how  might  one  get a copy of it?  It was so beautiful...but it was
also very different from her more  popular  albums.   She  used  her
voice so muchmore than her late >t stuff..  >

Odds are pretty good what you heard was sung by Loreena McKennitt,
on her album titled 'The Visit,' rather than by Enya.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: bgray1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Brandon Gray)
Subject: Where to play in Philly?
Organization: Only worry about representing myself...
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:46:31 GMT

     Hey all!  Subject line says it all...I've recently formed a new trio,
and we've played the local college thing a few times, so we're ready to
play out somewhere.  Anyone know of some good venues in Philly for our kind
of music? (Folk with a slight pop twist...we've been compared to the
Sundays...personally, I don't really hear it that much, but I'm just
rambling...)  Anyway, thanks in advance...aal replies can be posted or
E-mailed direct!  :^)                        Later much!
                                                                           
                Brandon
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Subject: Re: Capercaillie
Reply-To: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:11:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.144922.22540@news.clarkson.edu>,
walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
writes:
|> From article <1992Nov4.212843.25452@rdg.dec.com>, by
cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn):
|> > 
|> > In article <1d9akbINNr4v@agate.berkeley.edu>,
spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes...
|> >>Since we now know how to pronounce "Capercaillie"....
|> >> 
|> >>Is a Capercaillie a *mythical* Scottish bird?  Or do
|> >>these things exist in actuality?
|> >> 
|> > It's a real bird, but an endangered species.
|> > It's the largest of the grouse family I think
|> > 
|> Or is it the tarmagin (sp?) that the latges of the grouse family?

The other interesting thing about the word Capercaillie is that it is a
bird name with four syllables. Why is this interesting? Because Michael
Nyman once wrote a songe (for Peter Greenaway's film "The Falls") which
has verses of 1-, 2- and 3- syllable bird names and a chorus of three
4-syllable bird names. The others are "cassowary" and "lammergeyer".

-- david "random useless information" elworthy

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jimcole@adobe.com (Jim Cole)
Subject: Re: Bay Area folk music radio
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:45:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct31.195119.12903@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
antanas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Harold Antanas Trinkunas) wrote:
> 
> Hey y'all,
> 
> 	Seeing as a discussion has started up on folk music radio in
> the New York area, I'm wondering if anyone could post similar 
> information for San Francisco/Bay Area. I've been living here for
> about a year now, and haven't run across anything yet.
> 	Any info would be much appreciated.
> 
> 					Thanks,
> 						Harold

--------------------------------------

Harold, there isn't much, but here's what I know of (mostly
Bluegrass-centric):

KKUP 91.5
---------
A very small station in Cupertino.  It's funded entirely by contributions
(not NPR, etc.), and plays a very wide variety of music and talk. 
Bluegrass Monday and Thursday evenings, and Saturday afternoon.  Folk music
Tuesday mid-day and Friday afternoon.

KCSM 91.1
---------
Jazz all week, but Sunday 12-5pm is Bay Area Bluegrass Sunday, the premier
bluegrass radio show in the area.

KPFA 94.1
---------
Berkeley's progressive Pacifica station has a folk-roots block Mon-Fri,
1-2:30pm.  Tuesday's America Back 40 show is great.

KSAN 94.9
---------
The big commercial country station lets down its hair on Sunday night,
7-midnight, with All Kinds of Country, which plays a great mix of
bluegrass, folk, rockabilly, etc.

The Peninsula center for acoustic music is Gryphon Stringed Instruments in
Palo Alto.  They offer group and individual guitar, banjo, etc. lessons,
and sell instruments, music, CDs.

Also, last summer was the first California Coast Music Camp, a weeklong
camp for acoustic music.  It was a great success, and will happen again
next July.  Let me know if you want to know more about it or Gryphon.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: BEST VIDEO - mary black
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:57:52 GMT


In article <3199@ucl-cs.uucp>, J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft) writes...
> 
>video of mark black "live" from albert hall
>was on the telly last week here in the UK
> 
>rather fine i thought - the band were exlemprary in their
>self-efacingness - la black was in very fine voice...
> 
>i believe said video is available stateside...good if the privce
>compares with a cd!
> 
I saw the video too and was very disappointed. The songs were unbearably
bland. I fast forwarded through many of them. There was nothing which
sounded Irish at all and nothing from her "Collected" album. All of it was
new, un traditional and middle of the road background music.

She has a fantastic voice, but the songs are lousy.

I will be selling my tickets to see her at the Reading Hexagon next month.
Anyone want them?

Craig

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic,rec.arts.wobegon
Subject: Re: Portree Kid (was Re: Trying to identify a Scottish folk tune
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bx919u.2n2
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bx7H2y.57u@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> gjw@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mr Garry J. Wardrope) writes:

>Since I happen to have a copy on disk here's the whole thing.

(Portree Kid by the Corries deleted.. r.a.w. people go look in 
soc.culture.celtic)


Thanks much! I've been asking people on the net for a couple years 
about the strange words and you're the first to post the real thing..

So its on a CD? I'll have to check into getting it.


Now....

If only I could find the words to the one sung to Greensleeves..


	I met my love at a grocery store...
        ..
        ..
        And I longed to kiss those ruby red lips


(chorus)

	But Green Stamps were all she gave
	And Green Stamps were all I took
	Green Stamps were all she gave
	And I pasted them all in my Green Stamp book..

No, its not the Allan Sherman one.. thats a different song altogehter.
This was on Garrison Keillor's show some years back on the Dept. of Folk
Song.
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From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Pirate Music Anyone?
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:43:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov11.234320.10676
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <6906@news.duke.edu> cjs@phy.duke.edu (Carl Schnurr) writes:

>I'm interested in finding some cd's containing "pirate" music.  You
>know, "Yo-ho, my lads" and all that--mostly for atmosphere for a party
>I'm going to have.  Does such a thing exist? 

One thought is the song of "The Pirate King" from Gilbert and Sullivan's
_The Pirates of Penzance_.  If you can find a tape of the version with Rex
Smith, Linda Ronstadt and Kevin Kline,  Kline does it hilariously. The video
is even worth renting on his performance alone, although the whole thing is
good.

>In a related question, does the music that we (or at least, I) think
>of as "pirate" music bear any resemblance to the music that pirates were
>likely to sing/play...

In a word...NOT! (from a 20th-century chantey-singer's point of view)

>...or is it largely a construct of the motion-picture studios?

I would consider this a reasonable guess. :-)
See related discussions on chantey and sea music.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: wjones@halcyon.com (Warren Jones)
Subject: Re: Kate and Anna McGarrigle
Keywords: Kate Anna McGarrigle
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:09:45 GMT

dvalent@husc8.harvard.edu (Daniel Valentine) writes:

>I have only been able to find one album by Kate and Anna McGarrigle
>on CD.  I can't remember the title of the one I did find (Heartbeats  
>Accelerating?), but I was wondering if any more were available
>anywhere else.

"Heartbeats Accelerating" is their most recent release (as far as
I know).  I know of five other recordings:

    (1) "Kate and Anna McGarrigle" -- I think the self titled
        album is their first.  It includes "Heart Like a Wheel",
        "Foolish You", "Kiss and Say Goodbye" and "Swimming Song".
	Great music!

    (2) "Dancer With Bruised Knees" (1977) -- My favorites on this
        one are the title track, "Blanche Comme La Neige", "Walking
        Song", "Hommage a Grungie" and "Kitty Come Home".
	Another of my favorites, on the Warner Bros. label.

    (3) "Pronto Monto" (1978) -- includes "Oh My Heart" and "NaCl".
        Warner Bros.

    (4) "Love Over and Over" (1982) -- I find I don't listen to this
        one very often, but your taste may be different.
        On the Polydor label.

    (5) "French Record" -- I don't have this one, so I can't comment.

I see that (1) and (5), plus their most recent (Heartbeats Accelerating)
are available from:

	Roundup Records
	P.O. Box 154
	North Cambridge, MA
	02140
	1-800-44-DISCS.

I suspect the others may be out of print.  If I missed something,
I hope someone will let me know!  
-- 
Warren Jones
<wjones@halcyon.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: Ultimate top 10 of folkalbums
Originator: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au
Organization: School of MPCE, Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:19:08 GMT



In article <s0319198.11.0@let.rug.nl>, s0319198@let.rug.nl (E.B. Meijerink) writes:
> 
> A friend of mine recently asked me what would be the best ten albums to buy 
> for a 'novice' in folkmusic. Being a relative newcomer myself I couldn't 
> give him an adequate answer. I know that everybody has his/her own taste in 
> music and that it's therefore hard to make an objective top 10. Bearing this 
> in mind: Could somebody help me?

I managed to pare my top 10 down to 17.... Here they are, with some of the 
notable songs on some of them. 

Stan Rogers, Between the Breaks
    Barrett's Privateers; Mary Ellen Carter; White Collar Holler
Si Kahn, Unfinished Portraits
    The Victim Gets the Blame; What You Do With What You've Got
Greg Brown, In the Dark With You
    Who Woulda Thunk It; Just a Bum
Bryan Bowers, By Heart
    alternative selection: The View From Home
Michael Doucet, Dit Beausoleil
Emile Benoit, Emile's Dream
Kate and Anna McGarrigle, French Record
Barde, Barde
Joni Mitchell, Blue
    alternative selections: Court and Spark, Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon
Gordon Lightfoot, The Best of Gordon Lightfoot
    Canadian Railroad Trilogy; For Lovin Me; Early Morning Rain
Judy Collins, The Judy Collins Concert 
    alternative selection: Fifth Album
The Mitchell Trio, Beginnings
    alternative selection: (The Chad Mitchell Trio,) Reflecting
Tim Buckley, Goodbye and Hello
Tom Lehrer, Songs by Tom Lehrer
    alternative selection: That Was the Year that Was
John McCutcheon, Water From Another Time
    Christmas in the Trenches; Red Corvette
John Roberts and Tony Barrand, Eat Bertha's Mussels
    Rolling Mills of New Jersey
Bill Staines, Bridges
    Walker Behind the Wheel, River, Pretty Boy Floyd

My apologies for the exclusively North American flavor here, solely a product 
of my ignorance. 

> Cheers!
> 
> Erik Meijerink           || 'Just because you're paranoid
> University of Groningen  ||  doesn't mean they're not after you'
> The Netherlands          ||    -> NIRVANA <-

Gerry Myerson
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu ()
Subject: Re: folk music & political movements
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:55:42 GMT

olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.000007.23574@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, twlane@nyx.cs.du
edu writes:
>|> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>|> 
>|> >joe@evolution.u.washington.edu (Joe Felsenstein) wrote:
>|> >> As much as we might regret it (and I would), there is right-wing f
lk
>|> >> music too.  Just listen to the repeated use of Woody Guthrie's "Th
s
>|> >> Land Is Your Land" at right-wing rallies, with the implicit politi
s
>|> >> being that This Land belongs to "us normal people" and not to some
>|> >> liberal elite.
>|> 
>|> The thing that disturbs me the most is not the right stealing Guthrie
s 
>|> songs but the fact that people are unaware of the meaning of these so
gs
>|> for exanmple there are several verses to "This land is your land" tha

>|> reveal more clearly the political meaning of the song, but very few p
ople
>|> have ever heard them.

>Like the one I've heard of, the last bit of which is
> 
>"...if this land's your land
>you'll never know it
>Let's get together
>And overthrow it!
>This land was made for you and me..."

>Anyone know if this was actually one of the original verses?

>-- 
>-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
>"Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, silhou
tted
>by the sea, circled by the circus sands, with all memory and fate driven
deep 
>beneath the waves; let me forget about today until tomorrow"  -Bob Dylan



Not an original verse.

Woody's were a little more subtle.

Todd Lane
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:34:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov5.183423.28835
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <MARTIN.92Nov5112910@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:

(re my comment of "Tom Lehrer teaches mathematics at Harvard")
>
>This is perhaps 30-35 years out of date.  He was a graduate student and
>teaching assistant at Harvard.  According to a recent discussion in
>sci.math, he never finished his Ph.D. there (I don't remember where
>he did finish).  For many years he's been teaching statistics and
>musical comedy at University of California Santa Cruz.

Thanks for the update.  I humbly admit my information was from my stepfather
who was one of his students way back when, and I never got any more current
info...until now.  Again, mea culpa.



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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: mudws@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (David Warren Steel)
Subject: Query: Green grow the rushes, ho
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:57:17 GMT

  Green Grow the Rushes, Ho (not the one by Robert Burns) is a 
cumulative numerical song, and a favorite at community sings in
my summer home in Michigan.  An elderly woman who learned it there
asks for help in indentifying the somewhat cryptic references in the 
text.  Can anyone help?  E-mail me or reply to the group, for general
interest.  I will forward your reply.
  The text (in the final verse) is:

I'll sing you twelve, ho,
   Green grow the rushes, ho!
What are your twelve, ho?
   Twelve for the twelve apostles,
   Eleven for the eleven that went to heaven,
   And ten for the Ten Commandments;
   Nine for the Nine Bright Shiners,
   Eight for the April Rainers,
   Seven for the Seven Stars in the sky,
   And six for the six Proud Walkers;
   Five for the symbols at your door,
   And four for the gospel makers;
   Three, three, the Rivals,
   Two, two, the lily-white boys,
   Clothed all in green-O,
   One is one and all alone,
   And ever more shall be so.

I guess four, ten, and twelve are pretty obvious, maybe also seven
(Big Dipper, or Pleiades); any ideas on the rest.    Thanks.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: ellene@microsoft.com (Ellen Mitsue Eades)
Subject: Re: Pirate Music Anyone?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:06:44 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <11NOV199216170199@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Tom Brady) writes:
>In article <6906@news.duke.edu>, cjs@phy.duke.edu (Carl Schnurr) writes...
>>I'm interested in finding some cd's containing "pirate" music.  You
>I'd recommend my favorite "pirate" song, "Yo Ho!" by Phoenyx,
>on their (alas, cassette-only) release "Keepers of the Flame".

Amusing story follows ...

I was a wedding guest in May at a college friend's nuptials.  Laura
had been a housemate of mine in college, and many was the rainy
Portland afternoon we sat around with our other housemates sewing
and reading and playing Larn while listening to "The Pirates of Penzance"
on the stereo.  When Laura got married, she decided to have a pirate
themed wedding, so she rented the "Spirit of Ethan Allen," a ferry
that cruises Lake Champlain in Vermont, ordered a cake shaped like
a pirate chest (two layer cakes on top of each other, slightly
propped "open" with jelly-bean necklaces and gold-foil-wrapped
chocolate doubloons spilling out), got the wedding party photographed
with black leather eyepatches, and had me bring a 3'x5' pirate
flag to hang from the mast.  Wedding music included Capercaillie,
Stan Rogers, and the impromptu banjo/fiddle/guitar/hammer dulcimer of
various people including yours truly.  

On the morning of the wedding, we showed up to help her get organized
and found her listening to a bizarre cassette tape which I really
need to find a copy of.  Most of it was pretty dumb, but there was
one song on it which featured a bloody-minded pirate chorus and one
fastidious holdout who thought rum was "icky."  The chorus went:

	I want to sing and dance, I want to sing and dance,
	I want to be a pirate in the "Pirates of Penzance"
	With my silver-buckled slippers and my tight shiny pants
	I want to sing and dance.

We got quite a nice chorus line going in the kitchen of the apartment.

And yes, the wedding was great, and I only dropped one shoe in the lake.
-- 
Ellen Eades					Microsoft Corporation
"Just call me F.G.M.  I hate excess verbiage."  _Twice Upon a Time_