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From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 05 Oct 92 21:37 PDT
Subject: Relief NGO Roster from InterAct
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700157:000:2673
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Oct  5 21:37:00 1992


/* Written 12:47 pm  Sep 28, 1992 by jnr in cdp:hunger.general */
/* ---------- "Relief NGO Roster from InterAct" ---------- */

Here are agencies collecting donations for relief programs concern with famine in Africa,
according to InterAction, an umbrella group of international aid
organizations: 
   
   Adventist and Development Relief Agency 
   P.O. Box 4289 
   Silver Spring, Md. 20904 
   
   African Medical & Research Foundation 
   420 Lexington Ave., Room 244 
   New York, N.Y. 10170 
   
   Africare 
   440 R St. 
   Washington, D.C. 20001 
   
   Air Serv 
   Box 3041 
   1902 Orange Tree Lane, Suite 200 
   Redlands, Calif. 92373 
   
   American Friends Service Committee 
   1501 Cherry St. 
   Ph Iladelphia, Pa. 19102 
   
   American Jewish World Service 
   15 W. 26 St., 9th floor 
   New York, N.Y. 10017 
   
   American Red Cross 
   P.O. Box 37243 
   Washington, D.C., 20013 
   
   AmeriCares 
   161 Cherry St. 
   New Canaan, Conn. 06840 
   
   Baptist World Alliance 
   6733 Curran St. 
   McLean, Va. 22101 
   
   CARE 
   660 First Ave. 
   New York, N.Y. 10016 
   
   Church World Service 
   P.O. Box 968 
   Elkhart, Ind. 46515 
   
   Concern America 
   2024 N. Broadway 
   Santa Ana, Calif. 92702 
   
   Doctors of the World 
   625 Broadway, 2nd Floor 
   New York, N.Y. 10012 
   
   Doctors Without Borders 
   30 Rockefeller Plaza 
   New York, N.Y. 10112 
   
   Food for the Hungry 
   7729 E. Greenway Rd. 
   Scottsdale, Ariz. 85260 
   
   Grassroots International 
   48 Grove St., Suite 103 
   Somerville, Mass. 02144 
   
   International Medical Corps 
   5933 West Century Blvd., Suite 310 
   Los Angeles, Calif. 90045 
   
   International Rescue Committee 
   386 Park Ave. S. 
   New York, N.Y. 10016 
   
   Lutheran World Relief 
   390 Park Ave. S. 
   New York, N.Y. 10016-8803 
   
   MAP International 
   2200 Glynco Pa rkway 
   Brunswick, Ga. 31520 
   
   Operation USA 
   8320 Melrose Ave., Suite 200 
   Los Angeles, Calif. 90069 
   
   Oxfam America 
   26 West St. 
   Boston, Mass. 02111 
   
   Presiding Bishop's Fund for World Relief-Episcopal 
   815 Second Ave. 
   New York, N.Y. 10017 
   
   Save the Children 
   54 Wilton Road 
   Westport, Conn. 06880 
   
   U.S. Committee for UNICEF 
   331 East 38th St. 
   New York, N.Y. 10016 
   
   United Methodist Committee on Relief 
   475 Riverside Drive, Room 1374 
   New York, N.Y. 10115 
   
   World Concern 
   Box 33000 
   Seattle, Wash. 98133 
   
   World Vision 
   919 W. Huntington Drive 
   Monrovia, Calif. 91016 
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Used with permission of Associated Press
   

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From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics,apc.reg.safrica
Subject: Goldstone on Bisho
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:55:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucthpx.1992Oct1.105530.6816
Organization: University of Cape Town
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The Goldstone commission has just released its report on the events
at Bisho in the Ciskei recently, where some 27 people died after
a march organized by the ANC was fired on by the Ciskei Defence Force.

Goldstone finds the Ciskei Defence Force culpable, as well as the ANC
leadership involved in the march, in particular SACP doyen Ronnie
Kasrils. He calls for prosecution of soldiers involved and for the ANC
to distance itself from Kasrils' and company.

Importantly Goldstone distinguishes 2 kinds of "mass action": action
aimed at propagating standpoints, and action aimed at dispruption
and intimidation of opponents. He finds that the second is conflict
producing and carries inherent potential for violence. 

The ANC have responded by refusing to distance themselves from Kasrils
and have announced their intention to proceed at full steam with 
"mass action", despite a reported agreement to "reconsider" this at
the weekend. This despite their protestations that they have full confidence
in Goldstone.

Moreover, the march on Ulundi will proceed as planned. A march which the
Natal branch of the ANC has described as an attempt to unseat the 
KwaZulu govt.

Gavan Tredoux
Dept Math / Dept Philosophy
UCT
From: adavies@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Anthony Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: IPS: ZIM: crawling out of the woodwork....
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:16:36 GMT
Organization: Institute of Virology, Oxford, UK

In article <Bv5L6D.CxI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, nrswart@phonon.uwaterloo.ca 
(Nicholas R. Swart) writes:
>>''today zimbabwe is facing a power crisis which has already
>>posed a big threat to industry and will result in the
>>retrenchment of thousands of workers in the next 12 months'',
>>says moore. (end/ips/az/oa/apc/92)
> 
> ...and the only man who can save the country is Ian Smith. Like it or not,
> he has more integrity and intelligence than all other politicians in
> Zimbabwe put together.
> 
> Nicholas

[Groan] Here we go again....are these guys for real??
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: chowning@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Dr. Chowning)
Subject: Re: Islamic World News
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:57:00 GMT

Where is Islamic help for Africa now? Do
these, so called historians, really think
the we will swallow this propaganda?  Lets
face the facts.  Famine is not the result
of colonialism.  Colonialists did bring much
evil to Africans but famine was not one of them.
If the answer came with Islam, please inform
us the answer,or has it been forgotten, for
the situation in Somalia and Sudan, both
predominantly Islamic countries.

--- Chelagoi
From: shaze@cs.ubc.ca (Scott Hazelhurst)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: ANC Leadership Wanes
Date: 1 Oct 1992 17:46:51 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cs.ubc.ca

gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux) writes:
>Divided societies with frozen majorities convert elections into censuses,
>by race, or ethnicity. That clearly *isn't* a fair system. 

Up to late eighties there were a number of societies in Eastern
Europe (like the Soviet Union) which whatever they were in name
were in effect undemocratic, centrally controlled societies.
Now, as those societies became less centralised and more democratic,
ethic conflict has broken out fairly spectacularly.

Your answer seems to be that the solution therefore is to have
a less democratic system, and at the same time you have argued for
less centralisation. This seems to contradict the point that you have
made before that unscrupulous politicians will use ethnicity as
a mobilising vehicle. Perhaps the answer is more democracy with
less federalism? 

The proposed Nigerian system (which I don't think will work because
it is too complex and perhaps too artificial) requires parties to
get support in a number of different regions. Maybe there is something
in that we can learn from.

My suggestion is that we need a three tier system of government with
the second tier being fairly weak, and with power being devolved upwards
and downwards. Plus systems of accountability-- how, well that that's
the big question.


>You need to work via *consensus*.

Correct. But, the consensus needs to be among the people, especially
for the constitution. As a counter-example to your idea of a solution
brokered by elites, I would like to give the current situation with
the proposed changes to the Canadian constitution. This proposal was
agreed to by the prime minister, the premiers of all the provinces,
the leaders of the aboriginal people, and has since been supported by
all three major political parties and it seems to me the support of
business. That's consensus amond elites. Now this is being put to a
referedum on 26 October. What's happening is that there is very heated
debate, polls show only a narrow majority of people in favour of it,
with two provinces looking like they'll say no. A whole range of
interests with all sorts of agendas are now lining up to say no. The
"yes" people have resorted to the tactic "if you vote no the economy
will fall apart and people won't invest here" (familar?). Whatever
happens in the end, this whole process is likely to divide Canada more
than fix any problems.  And I thing a nice top-down constitution
engineered at Codesa is likely to create the same problem.


>BTW: This "Il Duce stuff" is puerile. Put an avocado in it.

It's just that people who call for deals brokered between "elites"
tend to think that they are part of the "elite". I am happy to
hear that you now think the idea you put forward initially 
as a discussion point is "puerile"

Scott
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:32 PDT
Subject: Re: Grassroots action for Somalia
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700128:cdp:1471700130:000:79
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Sep 29 18:32:00 1992


this message has been forwarded to reg.africa, bitl.africa, and hunger.general
From: Jim Rosenfield <jnr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 05 Oct 92 22:25 PDT
Subject: Re: 10/5 Africa/Hunger news stories
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700158:cdp:1471700159:000:1955
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Oct  5 22:25:00 1992


/* Written 10:23 pm  Oct  5, 1992 by jnr in cdp:hunger.general */
APn  10/04 1137  SouthernAfrica-Refuge

Used with permission of The Associated Press. 

By BARRY RENFREW   

HLUVUKANI, South Africa (AP) -- Celina Matebo hugged herself as
she recalled the terrible journey on foot from Mozambique and the
lions that dogged the refugees through the wilderness. 

"The journey is difficult," she said. "The animals eat my people.
The lions are very bad." 

A thin, shy woman, Ms. Matebo is one of thousands of refugees
living in the South African black homeland of Gazankulu. They
fled to escape Mozambique's 15-year-old civil war and the
region's worst drought in 100 years. 

Their journey, lasting up to a week, takes the refugees through
the wilderness, where they dodge wild animals and South African
border patrols. Aid workers say some of the refugees have been
attacked and eaten by wild animals in the Kruger National Park,
on the country's northeastern border with Mozambique. 

Aid officials say up to 3 million people could face famine in
Mozambique. The drought has destroyed crops and dried up water in
a country already shattered by war between the leftist government
and right-wing rebels. 

More than 1 million Mozambicans have fled to neighboring nations,
including South Africa, Zimbabwe and Malawi. Many come to
Gazankulu, where they are fed by aid groups and allowed to live
in refugee camps. 

"It is better here. But it is very difficult. There is not enough
for our people," said Augustine Mushaba, a leader in the
Hluvukani refugee camp. 

Refugees receive 5 1/2 pounds of corn a month, barely enough to
sustain life, Mushaba said. 

They are not allowed to find jobs in Gazankulu, but people weave
mats or make bricks to make a little money. Some refugees try to
find work in South Africa, but those who get caught are deported
to Mozambique as illegal immigrants, Mushaba said. 

"I want to go home if there is no war," he said. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: IPS: ZIMBABWE: ECONOMY GOING THROUGH TURBULENT TIMES
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:30:50 GMT

In article <Bv5L6D.CxI@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> nrswart@phonon.uwaterloo.ca (Nicholas R. Swart) writes:

>...and the only man who can save the country is Ian Smith. Like it or not,
>he has more integrity and intelligence than all other politicians in
>Zimbabwe put together.
>
>Nicholas

Ravings of a highly radioactive ignoramus...Criminally insane as well!!

J.K.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen durongdej)
Subject: How to dictate - to Khun Mike from Waterloo
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:41:09 GMT

The more you express yourself it shows clearly to everyone that you are a
RACIST and don't beleive that every one is equal.  YOU STILL THINK THAT YOU
ARE BETTER THAN THAIS.  From your arguement it's full of hatred and anger.  I
think you may experienced some thing in the third world that makes a farang    
like you felt ashame of.   
I would be very happy if the Thai farmers said they are capable to work out
some development project by themselves.  I beleive in teaching people how to
fish rather than giving them the fish and expect them to be dependent on me.
Is this giving you some hints?  Think of your self over and over again before
going around and tell others that you are a real RACIST.  You are showing your
true colour which is good to know!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Chuan pop prachachon
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:18:38 GMT


Could anybody tell me if this following proposal would be any helpful to
our beloved country?

Inorder to keep our new government led by Khun Chuan Leekpai closely in
touch with normal Thai people, I would like to see Khun Chuan host a talk
show program.  It could be on a t.v. station or a national radio station. 
This talk show will allow Khun Chuan to talk to people under any subject
by calling in during the show.  From time to time,{some other ministers in
the government may be invited to join this show.

If anyone of us has suggestions or commends on this idea, please share
your thought here.
From: root@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Thammasat University Operator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Test, please ignore
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:54:05 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

I am adding a few people to "post-thai@ipied.tu.ac.th".
Please ignore this message (if you already get the usual postings).
Thaweesak Koanantakool
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Fwd: Kathina
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:38:46 GMT
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KATHINA
84th ANNIVERSARY
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path ahead for the traveller in the night, the inherent brightness of the 
purified mind shows the path which leads all beings to the ultimate happiness
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From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:53:31 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Cabinet must play a part in stopping corruption.

The Nation Oct 2 edition

  COMMUNICATIONS Minister Winai Sompong yesterday insisted he would urge the
  Cabinet to consider major projects rather than doing so by himself to
  prevent any suspicion of irregularities.

  ``I will not approve major projects by myself,'' said Col Winai, an
  executive member of the Palang Dharma Party.

  He said he would not accept any kind of commission because a minister is not
  a salesman and has no right to accept it.

  Winai said he would prevent corruption from happening during his tenure
  because that was usually the main cause of a government's downfall.

  He said he favoured many projects initiated by former communications
  minister Nukul Prachuabmoh and would continue them but did not elaborate.

  In reference to the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority (BMTA), he said the
  organization should be under the jurisdiction of the Bangkok Metropolitan
  Administration rather than the Communications Ministry.
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Judges to get new salary rise
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:57:01 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


 
Judges to get new salary rise
 
The Nation Wed Sept 30 edition
 
 
THE new Judicial Commission is scheduled to approve today a pay rise scheme
for hundreds of judges with the exemption of powerful Senior Supreme Court
judge Pramarn Chansue and his key supporters, informed sources said yesterday.
 
  Pramarn and 12 other judges have been on a disciplinary probation for
  leading an uprising last year against ex-justice minister Prpasna Uaychai.
  The probation has stirred legal questions that recently blocked the Pramarn
  faction's members from being promoted.
 
  The sources said that according to the Justice Ministry's list of judges
  eligible for this year's pay rise, more than 200 judges will enjoy two-step
  increase in their salaries. But the 13 judges on probation are not included
  in in the list, the sources said.
 
  The new Judicial Commission was formed on Sept 11 through a controversial
  executive decree issued by the interim Anand government. The decree
  dissolved the old 12-man Judicial Commission which was dominated by Pramarn
  and his supporters.
 
  Criticism that the Anand government was biased against powerful Pramarn's
  faction, which has been engaged in a power play with its rivals, prompted
  the government to promise that the new Judicial Commission would not make
  any crucial decision pending the deliberation of the executive decree by
  Parliament.
 
  But the new commission has already worked out a reshuffle scheme that
  included the appointment of the new Supreme Court president. The reshuffle
  resolution, however, is expected to be shelved by the Chuan government until
  the decree controversy is settled by the House of Representatives.
 
  The sources charged that apart from the 13 judges on probation, other judges
  who had been campaigning against the Anand government would also not have
  their salaries increased.
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Hiring Farang in Thailand.
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:40:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <19v6n7INN8j8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq722@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) writes:
>
>In a previous article, sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen durongdej) says:
>
>>experienced Farang working in Bangkok before and I can say that I am not    
>>impressed by their work.
>
>Why do you think you can make a general statement about a class of people
>("...  not impressed by their work...") based on a few you have seen?  It
>may interest you that some of the best engineers/teachers/etc in the world
>are, from your point of view, foreigners.

I have to agree.  I think I would love to have a job in Thailand.  I am
certainly able to get a job in the US, I have managed to remain employed
for the last 16 years or so.  However, I believe that some of the follow-ups
on this subject are worth discussing.  I can believe that there are many
qualified Thais who are paid less than equally or less qualified farangs.
If you get some equipment from outside Thailand, it might be easy to believe
that someone from the country and company where you purchased the equipment
might know more about it.  This may or may not be true.  I can also believe
that some of these people might not adequately train the Thais to use and 
maintain the equipment, to keep the Thais at a disadvantage.  I can assure
you that I would refuse to work for a company if they required me to do this,
as I believe in the free flow of information.  However, it is not hard to
find people who would be willing to cheat someone like this.

John Cronin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: nilsuwan@cae.wisc.edu (Sunchai Nilsuwankosit)
Subject: Farang?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:39:53 CDT

According to what we have been discussing through this week,
I think we already present our opinions. Apart from this
point, this discussion will become fierce and less logical.
We may not be able to agree at one points, but at least I 
think we know what the other thought about us. We have different
experience and different points of view which may or may
not go along with the others'. The point is that are we being
reasonable? If yes, then it does not matter if the other agree
with us or not. If no, then it might be a good idea to calm down
and think about it again.

For both sides of us, even if 99% of what we have experienced
are not so impressive. The other 1% or less that left are
what we may be able to make it better. 

From what we have disscussed, we already turn on a light in our
idea. Do not let it off because we cannot accept each other.

Sunchai 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen durongdej)
Subject: Racist - to Khun Mike from Waterloo
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:50:45 GMT

Please read the response from Khun Laurence.  He has been accusing Thai      
government officers as well as the officers in Chula being corrupted.  If you
are a reasonable person as you try to be, why don't you ask him to specify
who, when, where, instead of GENERALISING in saying such thing?  I don't see
any Thai users in this net blaming him badly and using unpolite words to him   
at all.  Isn't this something?  Aren't you trying to tell Thai people in this
net that you are a real Canadian Racist?  If so, thank you for showing us.

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