From: egorr@cie.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Biblical support for abortion...?
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:33:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep29.182959.3979@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.180408.6438@nntp.uoregon.edu> egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.154812.17843@cs.yale.edu>,
>>rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>> 
>>> In article <1992Sep26.224638.24714@nntp.uoregon.edu> egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu writes:
>>> >In article <1992Sep25.213302.16675@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu
>>> >(Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>> >Oh, read:  (There is to much for me to type it all)
>>> >
>>> >MATT 7:1-6
>Talks about hypocrisy. (motes and eyes)
>
>>> >MATT 23:1-12
>All who exalt themselves shall be humbled, etc.
>
>>> >MARK 7:1-15
>The healing of the centurion. No relevance as far as I can tell.

I think you read the wrong passage here...in my bible at least, it does
not talk about the heading of the centurion.  Please go back and check again.

>
>>> >LUKE 6:37-42
>Judge not, lest ye be judged.
>
>>> >     11:37-54
>Inside vs. Outside.
>
>>> >     16:16-17
>Not one letter of the law shall pass away.
>>> >John 8:1-11
>Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
>
>>> >Making abortion illegal is very similiar (if not equivalent) to what the
>>> >pharisees were doing, which Jesus hated so much.
>>
>>> This would support a general argument that ANY law enforcing a morality
>>> is wrong. Is that an argument you want to make? Kiss murder laws goodbye.
>>
>>Please also note:
>>
>>Matt 22:21:  
>>
>>"...Well, then, pay to the Emperor what belongs to the Emperor, and pay to
>>God what belongs to God."
>>
>>Granted, Jesus was specifically speaking about Taxes in this passage, but
>>Jesus is noted for speaking in symbolic terms also.  As is the case here. 
>>
>>Jesus says here (and in other places) that we are to obey the laws of the
>>state where they do not conflict with what he preaches.  Murder laws are
>>still
>>valid. 
>>Sorry.

>Come now, Mr. Gorr. Not a single one of those passages has any
>direct relevance to abortion. The most applicable ones refer to not
>judging others, but if we are to believe your interpretation of
>Matt 22.21, there are at least some instances where one IS entitled
>to restrict the actions of others. Since there is nothing in the passages
>which talks about abortion, and you have explicitly permitted
>murder laws, any argument which claims that the passages you
>have cited prevents laws against abortion cannot have any force.

Look at the indirect relevance to abortion...

One of the greatest things about the bible and the reason why it is
still very relevant today is because things discussed in there can
be applied to many similar situations.     

What Jesus was warning us about is that when things are made "law" and
are handled in the courts, or in general, by specific persons, things
such as love, compassion, etc. tend to go "out the window."  

If a law is written, why should anyone care to find out the reasons
behind it being broken in the first place?  

Do you see the relevance now?
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