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From: simondun@ecr.mu.oz.au (Simon DUNSTALL)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Cure: I Wish...
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:30:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

In article <u882517.719045441@bruny>, u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:

> 	How could you say that releasing radically different mixes of
> old songs (including one new one and two re-recordings, mind you) was not
> part of the band's musical progress?  I suppose that was just done without
> their knowledge?  Huh!  The singles collection was merely symptomatic of
> a band that felt the need to sum up their careers because they felt the
> end approaching.  (Yes, yes, the record company probably thought of it.
> It's still symptomatic.)
 
How do you explain standing on a beach? I don't think m.u. is
 'the need to sum up their careers` at all. Maybe it was a lack of
decent ideas ( but never enough and harold and joe are two of their
better songs)....about half of mixed up had already been recorded
as b-sides...but bob himself has said that he *likes* mixed up...as
well as calling it idiot music...i think the band get sick of being 
non-idiots...and anyway mixed up was  pretty much just a way to fill 
in the three years b/w dis. and wish...it's a long time. 

As far as wish goes...well...i hated it at first...and still don't
rate it too highly, even tho four or five of the songs are decent...
but on stage the songs go rather well (i started liking larger sections 
of wish after seeing them)...but i mean it's just my taste isn't it...
like a lot of people who consider themselves big fans i find that 
disintegration + 17s, f + p are the albums that attract me the most...
even though my favorite song is on kiss me and of all the boots i`ve
got, the first wish concert here in melbourne that i saw was almost
the best i`ve ever *heard*...espec. figurehead...

I don't know, we`re all going in circles here i think...more people
think wish is lacking something than don`t...and i agree...and yeah
it really has a huge whole in the middle between dgs and end...but
i`d say that`s my bad luck, and there is a huge pile of pre-wish
things that are still the cure, isn`t there...

The band is getting old, and that`s probably starting to make a 
difference...all their influences have probably been turned on
their head and it`s a bloody wonder how they've got this far and
still put out a reasonable album.
The important bit is that they never have got engulfed by
their own image nor distanced themselves from their earlier forms
of music nor wanted shows with super-duper laser-smoke-trapeze acts
Simply they have retained their integrety as a band.

And yeah, robert again is saying the cure will finish after this
tour...i`ll be upset...but it has to happen one day, and they are
close to losing it in the studio aren't they..
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From: dunl@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dude Man)
Subject: Jawbreaker
Reply-To: dunl@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:28:21 GMT

I went to see the Afghan Whigs on Sept. 9th in Munich.

Manic Street Preachers and "special guest" were the announced support acts.
"special guest" turned out to be a San Francisco band called Jawbreaker.
Anyone know anything about this band?

Some of their stuff was pretty good, in some ways their singer's voice reminded
me of an angry Bob Mould and their lyrics dealt with such things as massive
conspiracies.

What label's this band on, for starters.

-- 
========================        John Dunlevy           ========================
dunl@midway.uchicago.edu        5824 S. Kimbark #3101
========================        Chicago, IL 60637-1626 ========================
                 		(312) 702 2832
From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Have the Orb used Floyd samples ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:46:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <Bw07K3.8ux@brunel.ac.uk> Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne) writes:
>
>Steve Reich's  Electronic Counterpoint provides the main theme for
>Little Fluffly Clouds.

I thought that was it; I have to admit that I'd listened to it many
times before a little light bulb went off over my head.... "ahhh!"

The female voice on "Blue Room" is from Mad Professor's _Who Knows The
Secret of the Master Tape?_ (a good album if you like dub, BTW).

I think "Blue Room" also has a very short sample of Robert Plant wailing/
moaning taken from the live version of "Dazed and Confused" which almost 
instantly mutates into another sample or a synth noise... it's the exact 
same bit that Danielle Dax sampled. 

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@cs.com
uunet!csccat!larry 
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:11:26 -0400 
From: Karl Anthony Smeltzer <ks5z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: King Missile?

bt716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:

Can anyone tell me anything about King Missile?
I've heard a song called 'My Heart Is A Flower' and am
wondering what the rest of their music is like.

---------------------------------------------------------

Jesus was way cool!!!

And he loved to make love, loved to make love, loved to make love, he
was really turned on for a while.

--ks5z@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: Three cool albums out 10/13
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:27:04 GMT

I was at a record store and saw the employees cracking open some boxes,
though I haven't seen any advertisements, a Talking Heads compilation (2 CD
set it looked like) will be coming out tomorrow. It's subtitled something
like the popular hits (continuing the recent trend in sarcastic releases of
greatest hits albums). The actual name was rather pasty (nothing but the
best from the Talking Heads!) and I can't remember. But it had seemed to
have all of their singles on the album (the reason why I am vague is
because the store employee hid them behind the desk when I started fumbling
through the box -- ANAL!). 

Apparently New Order is also coming out with a new album tomorrow as well
as The  Inspiral Carpets. I hated the Carpets' last album but they were
playing it (The Revenge of the Goldfish I think) at the store and it
sounded much better than The Beast Within (which doesn't say much). It
sounds like a straighforward pop album, faster and catchier than anything
else they've done, so Inspiral diehards (if there are any) beware. Of
course, it was just one listen over muffled speakers, so don't take my word
for it.

But the Talking Heads compilation is why I'm posting. 

--
Mos Eisley  
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Subject: Re: Joy Div trivia
Keywords: new order
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:05:31 GMT

In article <0D2HsB1w165w@hale.cts.com> genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko) writes:
>misb3crs@dct.ac.uk writes:
>
>> In article <1992Oct8.222459.3954@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
>> > 
>> > 	I heard that New Order got their name from the name of a youth
>> > wing of the Nazi party, a sort of Hitler youth thing.  I _severely_
>> > doubt that they're fascist or Nazi themselves, though!
>> > 
>> > 	- Gord
>> 
>> New Order have nothing to do with the nazis at all , their name does not come
>> from a wing of the Hitler youth, so leave them be.....
>
>the evidence would point at it though.

	I'm sure the choice was meant in an ironic way.  Like I said, I
find it hard to believe that they're Nazi or something.

	- Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: Jawbreaker
Originator: tphailey@c00004-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:09:46 GMT


	Label? Well, Jawbreaker has been on a number of labels thus far.
Here,s a list of some of the stuff I know about by them.

_Whack_and_Blight_ 7" on Very Small Records

_Unfun_ LP on Shredder records

"Busy" bw "Equalized" 7" on Shredder records

"Caroline" on _Brouhaha_ 7" comp. on Piggly Wiggly (?) records

one song on the _It's_a_Very_Small_World_  2Lp comp. on Very Small records

"Shield Your Eyes" on _The_World's_In_Shreds_II_ 7" comp on Shredder records

_Chesterfield_King_ MLP on Tupelo records

_Bivouac_ LP (coming soon?) on Tupelo records
 
oh yeah, they also had a split 7" with Jawbox, I think they did a U2 song on
it.
 
I dunno, this is not necessarily in chronological order and it's probably not
all they've done. I just tell you what I know. Maybe Joshua Houk would be
a better source, he knows a lot about Jawbreaker...

							TOMASS

"When I was younger I chased butterflies 
 Until I looked around and realized
 There ain't no butterflies around here no more"  -> Chrimpshrine

PS - anyone heard the "new" Chrimpshrine _Duct_Tape_Soup_?
From: enriquk@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (everyday oozer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: L7/Mudhoney Lyrics
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:44:59 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Oct07.165544.3744@watson.ibm.com> jazzman@vnet.ibm.com (John Bannister) writes:
>In article <gunnarh.183.718463874@dhhalden.no>, gunnarh@dhhalden.no
>(GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>>
>> OK, Here they are.
>> 
>> 	IN 'N' OUT OF GRACE
>> 
>> 	Spill my sleep suck my waist
>
>        i'll have to listen again but i'd bet its spill my blood, scuk my ???
>
	how about : spill my seed suck my waste ???

Kelly
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From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth in Concert
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:11:50 GMT

Randy Tidd writes:

>>Re: Sonic Youth
>Who's talking about freebies?  I think that paying $18 to see the  
>headlining band play for only an hour is a rip-off.  I base this on  
>all of the previous shows where I've seen bands play for 2 or 3 hours  
>for the same price.

I have to agree with Randy here.  They played a good 100+ minute set at
CBGB's this summer, and they've said in numerous interviews that they don't
improvisate live because "people are paying money and deserve a good show."
I paid $9 in July to see Cell, Polvo, and Sonic Youth.  $18 is just way too
much.  Good reason to not want a band to make it big.

Rob in Texas said the show there was $20 and Thurston made some negative
comments about it.  If they don't know how much venues are going to charge
ahead of time, maybe they should make proper arragements to find out?

I'm paying $15 for a show at SUNY Binghamton in a week in a small place.
It'll be good to have a small crowd, but $15 for a lousy sounding
auditorium doesn't make me very happy.

> Shit, even Guns 'N' Roses plays for like 3 hours, and they're not  
> even good.

No kidding.  Of course, I don't want to sit through 180 minutes of Sonic
Youth - 90 minutes would be fine, if priced accordingly.

>And it should be noted that I am a die hard Sonic Youth fan, and am  
>disappointed that they commonly play short sets.

This hasn't always been the case.

I can see why they might want to play new material - after all, you get
sick of playing the old stuff over and over.  But it seems like they've
been around long enough that they can find ways to reinterpret their older
material into a newer context.  That's true for jazz and blues, so why
not?  A band that lacks the urge to update old material, or play a
reasonable amount of time is one that's most likely growing bored with
the whole business at hand and is probably on the road to breakup.

I'm not saying that this applies to Sonic Youth yet, but it's bound to happen
with most bands.

Rob

-- 

Rob Vaughn, Fugitive Systems Guy
Mat. Sci. Center Computing, Cornell University
rob@msc.cornell.edu - rob@crnlmsc2.bitnet
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From: s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: "Sidewinder..." Lyrics
Reply-To: s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:19:31 GMT

In article <Ahn-101092033825@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>, Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>I'm trying to figure out the lyrics for "The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite" on
>R.E.M.'s AFTP album. I will drop this in the lyrics ftp server after it's













>done.
>Read through and please mail me corrections or fill in the blanks to
>Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu            Thanks!
>
>By the way, on the issue of what exactly the chorus is...it sounds as if
>they purposely warbled the vocals (post production or as they sang it).
>What's below is the best I could make out of it. 
>
>_____________________________
>
>This here is the place where I will be stayin'.
>There isn't a number. You can call the paper.
>Let it ring a long long long long time.
>But I don't pick up, hang up.
>Call back, let it ring some more.
>Oh woah.
>I don't pick up, pick up. the sidewinder sleeps sleeps sleeps in a car
>
>Call on me once you wake her (3)
>
>There's scratches all around the coin slot
>Like a heartbeat baby, trying to wake up
>Christmas sheen can only swallow money.
>You can't lay out pants by computer design
>Just a lot of stupid stupid signs.
>Tell her. Tell her she can kiss my ass and laugh 
>and say that you were only kidding
>But at least, she'll know that it's really really really really me me
>
>Call on me once you wake her (3)
>
>Baby ----- (this suit?) doesn't really grab me
>Today I need something more sub-stuff-subsubstantial.
>A can of beans or black eyed peas,
>Some Nescafe in ice,
>A candy bar, a fallen star,
>Or a reading from Dr. Seuss.
>
>Call on me once you wake her (3)
>
>Cat in the Hat came back.
>------- and ------
>The way --- always had a smile and a reason to until
>Their world is black backgrounds and little ---- to sleep to drink
>The sidewinder sleeps on its back
>
>Call on me once you wake her (2)
>I can always keep standing up 
>Call on me once you wake her.
>
>You gotta boogie boogie boom boom this one.
>
>--
>Mos Eisley  
>"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
>like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
>on TV networks



2nd line: you can call the payphone...
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From: jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen)
Subject: Re: Sinead does SNL
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:32:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.062626.21681@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Nathan.H.Saunders@dartmouth.edu (Nathan H. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.232107.10508@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
>jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>
>> mtl2001@andy.bgsu.edu (gretchen) writes:
>> > 
>> > Two words; First Amendment 
>> 
>> oh yeah, that's good. the first amendment sez that SNL has a 
>> responsibility to provide sinead with a platform for her politics. 
>> hehehe. hardly.
>> 
>> i don't much care what she did (in Monty Python voice: "It's only
>> a picture!"), but the asinine idea that she has a right to do whatever
>> she wants on someone else's time needs to get squashed but good.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>It *was* SNL's time.  They donated eight minutes of it to Sinead, and
>she could do whatever she wanted with it.  Especially since the show
>was live.  If SNL is not pleased with what she did, they can decline to
>offer her their time ever again. 

Yes, but NBC and SNL are the ones that are going to have to face the 
music because of what she did. It's kind of like inviting a guest over
to your house, and they run out and kill the neighbor's dog. You are
partly responsible because you brought the idiot into the neighborhood,
if only through association. 

I think it is a general understanding that people who are invited onto 
the show are not going to do things that will embarrass the network,
if only because the network is giving them air-time and paying their
bills. What Skinhead did was unprecedented, and rude; now if only 
Sinead would spend as much time on learning to sing as she does on 
politics. As a character on SNL once said, "What's with her head?"

> - nathan

jeff...
From: vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Re: NME Compilation CD WANTED
Keywords: NME CD
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:56:48 GMT

From what I have read, it is only availiable via NME to UK readers for at
first, but after a while it will be released through the normal channels (like
the Sgt Pepper Knew My Father album). 

BTW, it's a triple-CD!!

-- 
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      \  /          // Vidar Hanssen  University Of Tromsoe, Norway ///////
       \/          // Email: vidarh@.cs.uit.no  Phone: +47 83 44032 //////
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From: watpod83@alfred.carleton.ca (Robert Telka)
Subject: Re: Nine Inch Nails in Canada??
To: nikos@bnr.ca
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:45:57 GMT

In alt.music.alternative you write:

>In article <watpod83.719080509@cunews>, watpod83@alfred.carleton.ca (Robert Telka) writes:
>|> In <1992Oct9.203054.1188@bnr.ca> nikos@bnr.ca (Nikos Mouat) writes:
>|> 
>|> >     Anybody know when Nine Inch Nails new album is being released 
>|> >in Canada???? I thought it was supposed to be released last week 
>|> >but I've searched all over town and it is nowhere to be found!!
>|> 
>|> >Nikos..
>|> >--
>|> >     If you know, please post, I don't have access to my school account
>|> >and can't mail out from here (only read and post news)
>|> 
>|> I thought I saw the new NIN in the Ottawa area... I could be wrong!
>|> 
>|> Robert Telka
>|> Carleton University
>|> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>|> 

>     Where??? I've check every music store I know of to no avail!


>Nik

>--
>Views and opinions are my own, not my employer

Yes, I'm back again with valid info this time...

For those of you interested in finding the new Nine Inch Nails CD
release (in Canada, specifically in Ottawa), it can be found at Shake
Records (150 Laurier Av W, (613)-230-5214).

What they have is an AMERICAN IMPORT, not the Canadian domestic
release (too bad).  It's running about $20.00 Canadian funds, and is
cased in those stupid cardboard pull out protector cases (why did they
ever move away from jewel boxes!!???!!  BTW, I _refuse_ to purchase a
CD if it is not in a jewel box! ).

Here's the GOOD news.  Canadian release date is apparently set for
around October 27 (thanx to those good guys down at Shake Records :-)
).  Keep your eyes peeled for it to appear...

Chow for now!

Robert Telka
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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From: s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: nevada.edu
Reply-To: s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:44:48 GMT

can anyone tell me step by step, how to get something from nevada.edu.
I got in I think but I could not get /pub/guitar/rem which somebody
told me to do. Please help.

                                      Steve
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From: sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu (Steven Bradley Taves)
Subject: Re: Nirvana...well, Nevermind.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:16:06 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <gunnarh.185.718468580@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>In article <kauffman.26.718393089@slab.unt.edu> kauffman@slab.unt.edu (DON KAUFFMAN) writes:
>>From: kauffman@slab.unt.edu (DON KAUFFMAN)
>>Subject: Nirvana...well, Nevermind.
>>Date: 6 Oct 92 17:38:09 GMT
>>
>>	I just got the Nevermind CD.  There's an extra track on the end.
>>	I had heard that the extra track was only on some early	pressings
>>	of the CD.  So does this mean that the early CDs did not have 
>>	the extra track?  Does this song have a name?  What's the story?
>>	(I made a tape from a friend's CD, and I didn't get this song.)
>>
>>	I'm sorry to be asking this question so late.
>>	I feel so out of touch.
>
>	
>Yes, you are quite right. The repressing of the "Nevermind" CD had an extra 
>track approx. 12 minutes after the last song. Not the 1st pressing. And, 
>yes, the song have a name. It's called "Endless Nameless". It's allso found 
>on the "Come As You Are" 12" single.
>

Not the whole story.  The reason the first pressing did not have it is
because they accidentally left it off.  Because of the 10 minute delay,
they thought it was over.
-- 
____________________________________________________________________
"A boy he was tangled in his fight forever, a girl was missing
 two fingers","Why do they kill children, and why do I wanna die"
-Throwing Muses 
Got any news on The Breeders? Email me sbtaves@icaen.uiowa.edu
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From: kolsson1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kris Olsson)
Subject: Re: Cure: I Wish...
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:20:19 GMT

In article <SPACEMAN.92Oct6081220@kauri.kauri.vuw.ac.nz>,
spaceman@kauri.vuw.ac.nz ("Too Tall" Jones) writes:
> 
> 
> In article <R1BRB202@cc.swarthmore.edu> kolsson1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kris Olsson) writes:
> 
> >   I, in fact, thought they were going to break up because of Disintegration.
> >   Songs like Disintegration, Last Dance, etc... Oh, well. If they had, I
> >   woudn't have had to put up with Mixed-Up. Spew.
> 
> That's quite funny really, becuase in an interview I ftp-ed from cs.uwp.edu
> with Robert Smith he said that mixed up was the only Cure album he really
> listened to at home. If don't beleive me ... here you go....
> 
> ----------
> 
> "Mixed Up" is, he admits, the only Cure record he regularly plays at
> home.  When people are round and the dancing starts he'll slip on the
> mixes of "Inbetween Days" or "A Forest" alongside the Psychedelic Furs'
> "Forever Now" and the latest Janet Jackson or Paula Abdul single.  For
> those non-dancing moments he now favours classical music.
> 
> ----------
> 
> Food for thought... no ?

That was from an interview in Details magazine. Would you listen to your
own music if you were a musician? I probably wouldn't...



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