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From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Ask not what your country can do for you ...
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:02:32 GMT
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <18689tINNr38@agate.berkeley.edu>, martyg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
|> Concerning "'Family Values' taking precedence over individuality.":
|> 
|>   A persons individuality is best protected under the ancient institution
|>   of the family.
|> 


What?!  Where did you get this crap from?

-- 
To fathom hell, or soar angelic, take a pinch of psychedelic.
				Dr. Osmond
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Grand Opening - Genis for U.S. Senate HQ
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:54:31 GMT

         Grand Opening - Genis for U.S. Senate Headquarters

                Thursday, September 4, 1992, 7-9 pm
                         1806 Market Street

Building is near the corner of Octavia and Market.  This is a pie
shaped block with Waller hitting Octavia just past Market.  If
you're driving you can take Market to Octavia to Waller and drive to
the end of the block where Waller dead-ends into the U.C. Extension
parking lot on Laguna.  Parking there is $3.00 for the whole evening
and they're open until 11 pm.

In addition to June Genis, Mary Gingell, National Chair of the
Libertarian Party will also be speaking.  Wine and cheese will be
served.  A $5.00 donation is suggested to cover expenses.  For
further information contact Jerry Pico at 415-554-0388.
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:59:38 GMT

In article <athos-200892095115@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.181954.2040@island.COM>, guido@island.COM (Guido
>Marx) wrote:

>Stupid?  Possibly, but you're the one saying that he should be working with
>congress.  He did.  That's what happens when you work with congress.  I
>really believe that the Democratic congress will NEVER willingly cut
>spending.

I just have to add one more thing.  From what I have seen Bush isn't
really willing to cut anything either.  In his acceptance speech he
kept saying that government is too big, but he never mentioned EVEN
ONE program that he would cut.  He did say that he wouldn't cut
social security.  The facts are simple if you look at the Federal
Budget - the big three items on the budget are interest on the
Federal debt, Social Security, and Pentagon spending.  We can't expect
much more in the way of interest rate reductions, Bush has already
shown that he really isn't interested in any substantial reductions
in Pentagon spending, and now he vows not to cut S.S.  So maybe you
can tell us - where are all these big spending cuts going to come from ?
We are going to need about 300 billion in cuts to balance the budget
without raising taxes.

Guido

Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: tcox@netcom.com (Thomas Cox)
Subject: Economic Stimulus and the Benefits of Recessions
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:21:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Followup-To: ba.politics
Distribution: ba

More stuff on economics and government.  Don't read unless you're
willing to suffer through it...

 

guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:

>>Well, you're assuming that the government SHOULD do something about
>>recessions.  Maybe we should just let the seasons of the economy take their
>>natural shape without gov't sticking its hand into it.  I am one who thinks
>>along these lines.

>Well, this is one area where Mr. Bush and I disagree with you.  I think
>that the government should take corrective action to get the country
>out of its current recession.  This is especially true because it is
>that same government which got us into this recession.  

This contains no logic.  "This is the man who broke my leg, so this
man should also be the one to set it and put it in a splint."

>In particular,
>this recession was caused by excessively tight monetary policies by
>the Fed, and tax law changes.

How fascinating.  Do please explain how this works, won't you?

Seemed to _me_ that the Fed's policies have kept down inflation.  Low
inflation has helped keep the economy as healthy as it is (not very,
but it could be a lot worse).

One other small problem with your scenario: any Fed action will affect
the economy 6-12 months after it is taken.  Other government actions
have even longer delays.  Any action taken now won't help in the near
term.  And the current recession will most likely end within 6 months
(from what I've read in _The Economist_).

So, tell us, O Guru Guido, what "corrective action" would you have the
government take?  And why should we do without the economic benefits
of recessions, and what will we replace them with?

Cheers.
	-- Tom
-- 
Tom Cox      DoD #1776   '91 CB 750 Nighthawk   tcox@netcom.netcom.com
"My opinions are just that:  mine, and opinions."
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: The real reason strayts reject gay men (was: Lesbian perspective)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:29:20 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <11909@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>You don't have to do business with "homophobes."  Therefore, it's
>not a problem.  Stay away from us, we'll stay away from you.

"Stay of my God-given property, and I'll stay off yours. Peace through
mutual fear and disgust. God's true will."

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ones true self.
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Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:50:52 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics

In article <p94l0k8@fido.asd.sgi.com>, dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> In article <5vhnyzg.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
> >In article <t7fnqb+.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
> >    >I repeat - ANYONE who would shoot down an UNARMED 100 lb
> >    >mentally ill woman needs therapy, not firearms!
> >
> >Nice, easy, archair statement. Made by somebody who has never ever seen a
> >violent ward in an insane asylum.
> 
> Easy for you to say... My lover works at SF general in psychiatric
> emergency (where they get their fair share of psychotic people).  They
> have yet to have to kill someone to subdue them.

Do they arrive, armed and loose?  Is your lover alone in a confined
space?

> Tell me, what would
> the police have done in England, where the cops do not use guns?  

That officer would have died. 

	--Hal

-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:10:18 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


Okay, I guess I am not making my point well...

The problem I have with this situation is not with the details
of this particular case, but with the police procedure which
allowed this situation to develop.  It highlights several 
problems:

1.  The police are not properly trained in the use of force, either
lethal or non-lethal.  This was a situation which, if properly handled
from the outset, would not have required lethal force.  It seems to me
that america has enough people who understand the use of force, Clayton
comes immediately to mind, that the police force should also have this
knowledge.

1A. The police do not have a problem with using lethal force in an
unnecessary situation.  They have killed a woman in a situation
where she did not have to die.  People then defend the police operating
in this fashion.  

2.  The police staffing does not allow for proper numbers of police
in areas where it is necessary.  This is a tougher issue than the
first one, since I suspect that it is more of a budgetary constraint
than any other.


Jeff
-FWA
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:53:14 GMT
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.

In article <p6gtgbk@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
    >In article <n0dntvq.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil
    >Ronzone) writes:
    >
    >>A firearm is NOT a warning device, it is NOT a noisemaker, it
    >>is NOT for brandishment. In general, do not draw your firearm
    >>unless you are going to use it to STOP someobody.
    >>
    >The officer had the time to pump three bullets into this
    >woman... Three bullets into her knees would certainly have
    >stopped her from coming towards him.

No. You are quite ignorant of firearms and wound characteristics.

For example, the FBI has completed a major switch to a different
pistol AND a different caliber -- triggered by an incident in which two
men, already wounded, one with 5 (FIVE) pistols bullets in him,
proceeded to shoot and kill 2 FBI agents. The criminals then died
from the wounds.

The .45 ACP round, the pistol round of the US for a very long time
(until recently) was adopted after the .38 service round proved
to be very ineffectual in stopping the Morro rebels in the Philipines.
Multiple rounds in the body were not STOPPING the attackers. Wounding
them, perhaps EVENTUALLY fatal, yes, but stopping them right then
and there? No.

There is no such thing as a humane way to shoot somebody. If you shoot, shoot
to STOP. Period. There is no other way possible.


-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

"I can't get no satisfaction ...", M. Jagger
"Yeah, right, tell me another one Mick.", P. Ronzone

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,alt.activism,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.bizarre
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:03:14 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics

In article <t7fnqb+.adamsr@netcom.com>, adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
> Thus spake art@world.std.com (Al Thompson): 
> 
> >In article <m9dnzfm.adamsr@netcom.com> adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
> >
> >   Thus spake jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins): 
> >
> >   >Nice to know you've got an open mind on this.  If I'm holding a gun on somebody
> >   >and they come at me I'll shoot.  Probably 15 times before stopping for 1.2
> >   >seconds to reload.  I don't care if they're armed or not.  If they're crazy
> >   >enough to attack then god knows what they'll do if they get my gun away.
> >   >And if you think I'll take the chance of losing the gun to a 100 pound 
> >   >lunatic then your elevator doesn't quite reach the top floor.
> >   >
> >	   What a perfect demonstration of a need for gun control!
> >
> >	   Anyone who would shoot down an unarmed 100 lb mentally ill woman
> >   (which you just said you would do) needs therapy, not firearms!
> >
> >Unarmed?  Unarmed?  What was the machete for?  To cut a tough steak?
> 
> 	Re-read the statement I was responding to - Jim specifically
> states he would shoot them WHETHER THEY WERE ARMED OR NOT!
> 
> 	I repeat - ANYONE who would shoot down an UNARMED 100 lb mentally
> ill woman needs therapy, not firearms!

I know any number of people that can reduce you to long pig while
you're thinking about whether or not to shoot--and some of them don't
weigh a whole lot.

As for the 'mentally ill' . . .  You might take that issue up with the
staff up at Napa.  I don't know of too many mental illnesses that
interfere with motor activity.

While I am not one to defend the issue of general access to guns, we
*do* rather expect our police to be armed with them, and if that's the
weapon in hand, it is not unreasonable to expect it to be used.
Secondly--if you're going to use a gun (particularly at close
quarters) then shooting to kill is the only logical way to do so.
What shows restraint is that she was only shot 4 times.

Given some of the stories that have made the papers over the years, I
would also note that the officer accurately hit his target.  This
gives me hope that (at least so far as that officer is concerned) in
other cases where deadly force may be used, he won't hit any other
random people that may be present.

	--Hal

-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: "Ecofascists" In Action
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:16:30 GMT

In <1992Aug25.093236@wsl.dec.com>, George Neville-Neil writes:

>In article <92237.60260.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, J056600@LMSC5.IS.L
>|> Well, I think so.  How about companies which produce fish?  This may not be
>|> feasible now, since good fish production out of the bay is not what it was 4
>|> years ago (though better than 15 years ago :) !!).  Consider the timber
>|> industry.  They hold much land, and if there are no trees, there is no timbe
>|> harvest.  It's in their own best interests to plant two trees for every on e
>|> they cut down in some places.
>|>

>Yes, let's consider the timber industry.  Up until they were bought out by prof
>greedy Wall Streeters in the 1980s looking for the quick buck, quite a few of
>these companies did intelligent forest management.  Now that they are not longe
>un locally they are clear cutting.  It is in their interest in the long run to
>"plant *two* trees for every one they cut down" but without the long view in
>management they are killing their children's future.  The profit motive
>does not always work.

George, are you prepared to condemn the people who are using the "profit
motive" to find a cure for AIDS?  Or to people who are using the "profit
motive" to find a environmentally-friendly substitute for CFCs?  Or how about
to people who use the "profit motive" to develop a magazine which exposes
conservative Republican lies and scandals where they exist?

I'm sick of people condemning the "profit motive" in a generic sense.  To be
sure, the profit motive is not always the best motive or the purest motive,
but at least the profit motive encourages a work ethic.  At least the profit
motive doesn't cause people to use society's "safety nets" as hammocks.  And
I love the fact that if I want to work hard, I can achieve and do great things,
both for my family and maybe the world at large.  However, if many people
continue to insist on the redistribution of wealth and punishing achievement,
how much great achievement can be accomplished?


Tim Irvin    j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
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"In a free government the security for civil rights must be the same as that
 for religious rights." -- James Madison, Federalist Paper #51
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:03:02 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <xzhnmzg.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <p94l0k8@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>    >My lover works at SF general in psychiatric emergency...
>
>Where they have nice big people...

6' and 130ish pounds is "nice big people"?!
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: Micha Peled <ma@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:52 PDT
Subject: Re: Clueless recruiter alert!
Nf-ID: #R:Aug.10.23.18.01.1992.24235@prest:-1663681896:cdp:1525600002:000:90
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ma    Aug 26 21:52:00 1992


What a waste-of-time, childless discussion I just read.  Who
really give a you-know-what?
From: LJ03933@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: Electronics/Electrical career/job info
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:44:06 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

I've been reading an electronics book to try and refresh my
knowledge in that area. The first chapter lists a bunch of
addresses related to the electronics/electrical fields for
further job/career info. Just thought someone may be able to
use one.
tj(no affiliation with the groups below)
-------------------- cut here ---------------------

Electrical Engineering:
----------------------
Institute of Electrical Engineering
1111 19th St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20036

Electric Utilities
------------------
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
1125 15th St., N.W.
Washington, DC 20005

Utility Workers Union of America
815 16th St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20006

Telephone Industry
------------------
Telecommunications International Union
P.O. Box 5462
Hamden, CT  06518

U.S. Independent Telephone Association
1801 K St., N.W., Suite 1201
Washington, DC 20006

TV, Radio and Appliance Repair
------------------------------
EIA
2001 I St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20006

Broadcast Industry
------------------
National Association of Broadcasters
1771 N St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20036

Federal Communications Commission
Policy Analysis Branch
1919 M St., N.W.
Washington, DC  20554
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: kgorepat@mtu.edu (gorrepati)
Subject: Headhunters in California
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:42:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: gradlab1.me.mtu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hi,

Can somebody send me a list of headhunters in California.
Especially ones who work in engineering areas like VLSI design,
ASIC design, Synthesis, etc. 

E-mail to kgorepat@mtu.edu

If there is sufficient interest, I will compile a list and
post it on this news group.

Thanks.
From: steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
Subject: X/Motif Consultants Available
Keywords: Consultants
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:02:28 GMT
Followup-To: info@faultline.com
Distribution: ca
Organization: Faultline Software Group, Inc


                    FAULTLINE SOFTWARE GROUP, INC.

Software consultants experienced in all facets of work system development.

We specialize in developing workstation applications using X and Motif user
interfaces.

We work with you to design, build and deliver your software solutions.

We can design entire systems or work with your designs to build
robust, portable applications.

We take pride in delivering reliable, maintainable and well documented software.

We are experienced in:
                       BSD, SYSV, OSF/1
                          X / Motif
                           TCP/IP
              Instrument/Machine control systems
                   Data Collection systems
                GUI design and implementation
                 Programmer Training Classes

If you need to build an instrument controller, data collection and analysis
tools, or a workstation front-end to an existing system, we can help you.

Call Carl Schmidtmann at:
                           Faultline Software Group
                           867 Karo Ct
                           Sunnyvale, CA, 94086-8146
                           Phone: (408) 736-9655
                           Email: info@faultline.com

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From: smn@netcom.com (Subodh Nijsure)
Subject: Headhunters in Canada.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:45:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

Hi,
	If anybody  out there knows names of headhunters in Canada, please
send e-mail them to me at smn@netcom.com.

	BTW, how are the job opportunities in Canada for SW Eng with
X, Motif, C++ industry exp. (3+ years )?

-Subodh (smn@netcom.com )
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Where is the best place to post a resume
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 04:14:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Keywords: resume job wanted

I have a friend who is looking for a job in the Bay Area.  She is interested
in something along the lines of decorating, furniture sales, and/or custom
window treatment.  

What is the best place to post her resume?

If you have a job along those lines, call for Joan at (408) 842-3306. 
You can also send me email, and I will pass it along.
Thanks!
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From: gaglani@cory.Berkeley.EDU (GAGLANI SHRIRAJ J)
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc,ba.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: ms-excel gods
Summary: 1 yr contract position
Keywords: conversion project
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:46:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


	A 1 year contract is available with a prestigious Bay Area DBMS firm.
The project involves conversion of MS-EXCEL file internals to the client's own 
product.  Strong possibility of contract being extended beyond this period.
If you feel you are qualified for this position, e-mail me your details.
 Don't send resumes, please.

Shriraj Gaglani

gaglani@cory.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: ba.jobs.misc