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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:34:08 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:

>philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) writes:
>
>>Many (most ?) people posting to this group seem convinced
>>that the speed limits are too low (I happen to agree, having
>>spent most of my life in Europe).
>
>>So, why don't those of you who both pay taxes and are allowed
>>to vote introduce some ballot measures of your own, to get the
>>speed raised to ... well ... say 90 m.p.h. on Interstates and
>>70 m.p.h. on restricted access divided highways ?
>
>>If "everyone" agrees, the measures will pass - if they don't pass,
>>then some of us will just have to re-think out attitudes to
>>speed limits.
>
>You make it sound so easy......  Unfortunately, "everyone" does not agree on
>this one.  The problem is that most of the people who think the limit should be
>raised are people who ACTUALLY CAN DRIVE.  As you know if you've driven much
>in America, we skilled, thinking drivers are an oppressed minority, held down
>by restrictive laws and other drivers' idiocy.  There are so many drivers who
>aren't safe at 65.  What do you suppose they'd drive like at 90?  I don't want
>to think about it.  What we need is to begin by making people more fit to
>drive.  Here are a few key areas, IMHO:
>	Right lane fast, Left lane slow
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
HUH??...am i missing something? or is this how you think it should be?
i was taught that the left was fastlane for passing only, and the right
for the crawlers and those attempting to get up speed(very importantt
with some cars today!)..personally.i think it should be merging lane
slow, the other(s) fast...since merging lanes switch sides from time to 
time..but then you run into two lane splits running in with two lane splits..
nasty deal!
DREW


>	Signalling
>	Following distance
>There are other problem areas as well.  But until people start driving intel-
>ligently, higher speed limits will not be safe.  Until then, look for the guy
>in an old silver BMW, cutting through 55mph traffic at 90 - SAFELY!
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From: omalley@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John O'Malley)
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:16:39 GMT

In article <Bx9F3I.53L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>
> He had brought a Saturn door panel with him. During
>the lecture, he threw the panel on the floor with the concave side down,
>and jumped on the panel as hard as he could. When he got off of it and
>picked it up, there was not a scratch on it.
>
>Anyway, I would not worry too much about dents and dings.
>It would be good to here from someone who has owned one, though.

When we were looking at Saturns, the dealer had a door panel in the
showroom that was there for the same jumping, pounding, kicking, and
bending demo ... except that the customers got to do it all.  :-)

Our Saturn is now 13 months old.  It has one tiny chip on the hood (the
hood, roof, and trunk panels steel;  the sides are the polymer plastic;
on the wagons the roof is also plastic) and one paint scratch on a door.
A little touch-up paint handled both.

As for the door chip, someone must've really hit that panel hard with
a sharp corner of a metal door (or similar) ... those panels are very
resilient.  We have no dings or dents at all.


-John                   ['92 Saturn SL2]
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From: mieghem@mtl.mit.edu (Piet Van Mieghem)
Subject: Importing US cars to Belgium
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:13:56 GMT

Hi Folks,
I'm new in the states - I just arrived here from Belgium, and I need
to buy a car. Here in the states, you folks enjoy much lower car
prices than we have back home. I would like to buy a good old made in
the USA Ford Escort Wagon (or can you advice me a nicer one ?) and
take it back home.

I would like to have the following information. I use the car
for one year and then import the car to Belgium,
What pieces of the car do I have to change in order to be conformal with
the Belgian Law ? What duties would I have to pay?

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I have not learnt the newsreader
properly, so could you please email to me:
mieghem@mtl.mit.edu

Sincerely, Piet

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From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:20:13 GMT

In article <BxMxsI.5vs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>                    What we need is to begin by making people more fit to
>drive.  Here are a few key areas, IMHO:
>	Right lane fast, Left lane slow
>	Signalling
>	Following distance
>There are other problem areas as well.

You forgot to mention one of the other problem areas:

	Keeping the car properly maintained

As some drivers found out recently in the Bay Area when we had a
little rain and they were driving too fast with bald tires...


Rgds,
Ken

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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona??
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 16:08:46 GMT

In article <1dhuv0INNppk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) says:

[incredibly long followups deleted]

>>Confusion gone WRT your stand on the"TO SHIFT OR NOT TO SHIFT"question.
>                ^^^
>what the heck does this one mean??most of these i've managed to figure
>out..but never seen this one before!  maybe it was just the leather in
>the car i drove..but i kept sliding...it was incredibly annoying..

   WRT - With Respect To?


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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:25:58 GMT

> antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock) writes:

>As I'm really ignorant about pistons:
>How does the piston's movement in a piston engine prevent oil from
>burning in the combustion chamber?

Well, very simply, it goes like this.

As the piston moves upward, the rings (specifically the oil control ring)
push a film of oil along with the piston as it travels up the cylinder.
After it reaches top dead center, the piston starts travelling back down.
When this happens, the rings scrape the oil off of the cylinder walls as
the piston decends, so that a minimal amount of oil is lost in the
combustion chamber. I couldn't really say what the exact mechanics of the
rings and oil interactions are, but basically this is how it is done.

Anyway, that is why I could not figure out how rotaries kept oil out of the
combustion chamber. There is no motion that opposes oil flow into the
engine, so how is the oil kept from getting in there? That was my question.


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From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Subject: How to prevent windshield washer fluid from freezing on the windshield
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:55:36 GMT


Is there something that I can add to the fluid to make sure it does not freeze
when I spray it on the glass?

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Internet:		sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com
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From: zrwv05@hou.amoco.com (Rod VanKoughnet)
Subject: Re: got me a '90 miata - should i expect any p
Reply-To: zrwv05@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:21:40 GMT


I would't expect any problems.  My Miata's got 42,000 miles and the only things I've replaced are the catalytic converter (under warrantee) and tires.  Both of these happened last month.  I've never had any radio trouble and I'm not sure what to do about your rear window.  My window is still clear.  Those windows also look pretty easy to replace.

Rod
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW iX
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:20:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.BxHG1z.Lro
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

sinclair65@desci (John T. Sinclair) writes:

>I will be graduating soon and am looking into buying a used
>BMW. Being very picky when it comes to cars, a used car is all
>I will be able to afford (though maybe the new probe?). The BMW
>ix interests me. All I know about it is that it has 4-wheel, drive
>ABS, and that it did not sell very well. How is its reliability record?
>its performance? I would guess that it would be similiar to the 325i, 
>but what are the major differences? I saw an 88 for sale for something like
>$13,000. I would appreciate any info anybody has about used BMW's, though
>mainly 325's.

The biggest difference, of course, is that it is 4wd.  What this entails, in
terms of the difference to the owner, is:

Pro:	Excellent bad-weather handling (rwd BMW's are notorious for poor rain
		and snow traction)
	Safer dry-weather handling (although the rwd 325i's handling is excel-
		lent anyway)

Con:	Greater rotating mass in drivetrain.  This entails:
		Reduced acceleration (5-spd is a must)
		Reduced mileage
	Much more complexity.  If the rwd BMW drivetrains are any represent-
		ative, then the 4wd drivetrain should be rock-solid and most
		reliable.  But if something DOES break, you can believe it's
		going to cost you.  Parts for BMW's are notoriously expensive,
		though actually less than comparable Japanese parts.  Supply
		of the 4wd-specific parts should not be a problem, as BMW still
		sells 4wd models in other markets.

I know two people who have 325iX's, and they both love them.  If you live in
a snowy area and prefer not to do >50% of your driving sideways, then the 4wd
is the ONLY BMW for you.  But if you prefer the joy of sideways driving (like
me) in snow or dry weather, then go for a 2wd 325.  Either one is an excellent
car.  Make sure you drive both rwd and 4wd models before deciding.

$0.02
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From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: got me a '90 miata - should i expect any problems?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:03:59 GMT
Organization: Badges . . . We don't need no stinking badges.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Spooner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lockheedmac8.larc.nasa.gov

 >I just bought a '90 miata with 38,000. I'm interested in any problems

>Is there anything that can be used to clean the rear window on the 
>soft-top. The plastic is foggy and has some scratches in it. I wish Mazda
>had put in a glass window!

If it gets to the point where you can no longer see out, try clear plastic 
tape applied in strips on the fogged side of the window.  It worked on my 
JEEP windows.  Not the best answer . . . but an answer.  

If you get a new one, make sure you clean the window with a clean 
cloth and some kind of plastic window cleaner.

Good Luck . . . Dave

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider)
Subject: Re: High-mount Rear Brake Lights (Was Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 18:45:23 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <22118@drutx.ATT.COM> bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham) writes:
>in article <1d47ldINN3tb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) says:
>> lights are bad enuff when it's just taillilghts, but when you have 
>> someone who leaves their foot on the brake at each and every light,
>
>You don't keep your foot on the brake at lights?  I hope that you never
>get rear-ended, and shoved into an intersection with an oncomming
>semi.  Note no smilies.  This happened to my mother.  Fortunately
>she had her foot on the brake and only got shoved forward a couple of

Fortunately she didn't let her foot slip off the brake when she was hit.
That's why you use the parking brake when you're at a light.  And it turns
off those nasty brake lights.  It's not the law, it's just a good idea.
(no smileys either).

Sean
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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:17:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov6.151745.25057
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University

basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:

>mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

>>As for structural integraty, all the body panels really do is give the car
>>its looks and make for its aerodynamics. Unlike other automobiles, the
>>Saturn has a steel cage frame that simply has the body panels attched to
>>it. So assuming this cage frame is structually sound, I would say that the
>>car is just as strong as any other car this size. The best comparison I can
>>think of is an airplane. An airplane is simply a frame structure that is
>>covered with body panels for aerodynamics and looks. Same thing for the
>>Saturn.

>You may get some heat for this.  Airplanes get a significant fraction
>of their rigidity from their stressed skins.  That's why they rivet the
>skins every 2 cm or so.  It's also why they fail so spectacularly when
>they hit the ground, breaking into large sections as the forces change
>from distributed to local.

What do you expect from him anyway?  He's in the ME school at Purdue.
I did my undergrad in the Aero school there, and I know what those
ME guys are like, I roomed with one.  They barely teach those guys
statics.  Bwahahahahahahahaha!  Flame away, Mike!  Stick to thermo!
(God, I hated ME200 so much, I took it twice.)

:^)

Regards,

Brian

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From: mas@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Dodge Intrepid Comments
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:21:22 GMT

Anyone test drive any of the LH sedans yet - particularly the Dodge Intrepid??

Any comments??

John Mas

E-Mail Address     ::     MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM

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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:11:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.141353.23929@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes:
>
>>rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>
>>>saturn to learn the saturn way of doing business...OLDs sales have
>>>plumeted from over a million in 1986 to roughly 435k last year...
>>>anyone care to comment on this???
>
>>Someone also needs to figure out what Olds stands for. For a while there, they
>>were the "not your father's Olds" company which pissed of older buyers. Now,
>>I see full page ads touting Achieva SCX racing successes. I think GM should
>>leave the "sport" with Pontiac, which has done well with that image. I'm not
>>quite sure what Olds should be, maybe the "not quite the image of Cadillac,
>>but better than Chevrolet, and not quite as sporty as Pontiac division." And
>>of course, they had to do the Bravada which makes no sense whatsoever to Olds,
>>maybe perhaps die-hard Olds buyers who need a sport-ute.
>
>You know, this may not be the most spectacular observation, but what's
>the difference these days (or in days past) between Olds and Buick??
>Except for the Bravada, which can't be selling that well 'cause I hardly
>*ever* see one, the divisions are very similar.  It's probably a
>styling thing, 'cause isn't their market target the same?  Badge
>engineering is not enuff these days.  The Acheiva is a great step, but
>Camry-Accord-Acheiva tests not withstanding, lack of an airbag was a
>poor decision.
>
>Brian

i think the 1994 grandam/achieva/skylark(if they don't cancel it) all will
have standard airbags and thus will have modified dash.
but you are right...olds/buick seem the same with just differnt amounts
of that fake-plastic-chrome or fake wood stuff slapped on and different
headlights/tail-lights.
From: hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Car Insurance Companies
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:59:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


>
>2) are there forms of insurance for only occasional
>   driving (i.e. say you only drive about 2 weeks out of a year?)
>   I realize there is no way to prove this, so that is why I wondered
>   if you could do this somehow.  
>
>Derek H Cedillo

Speaking of insurance options... 

I am interested in discovering what options are available in
auto-insurance, specifically, which companies have good reputations
and low rates.  Recently somebody collected a survey of
auto-insurance companies by asking around on the net.

But I never saw a summary.

Could the collector of this information please post a summary to the net,
I am sure a vast number of us are interested.

-hagger
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How To Drive the RIGHT way!
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:21:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxM00C.D11
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


In article <Zyg4TB4w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>
>                   High Speed driving Tips, by Dan Reed

[...]

>finger, hit the brakes, and slow down.   REALLY piss them off, and make
>them pass you on the right.  After all, if you are not in a hurry, why
>should they?  Chances are they are speeding anyhow, its your right as a
>concerned citizen to make them go slower.
>
>3. ALWAYS ride in the left "fast" lane -
> 
>  You pay taxes right?  Damnit that part of the road is yours, so use it!

[...]

Gee, this stuff sounds AWFULLY familiar... ;-)
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From: root@acpy01.att.com (System Administrator(CXNIXCN1))
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:44:51 GMT

>The reason why it is plain and simple, Toyota
>exhaust systems rust out.  Take a look at the mufflers in some of the
>87-88 Corollas or Chevy Novas, you'll see a lot of them are brand
>knew.  Shouldn't the Japanese car owners have selectively deleted this
>fault from their memory? 

I could not agree more. My family owns '85 Toyota Camry, 
muffler went at 45.000 miles. At 65.000 miles we had to replace
long pipe, at 75.000 muffler was replaced again (on warranty), but 
we had to pay for the labor. At 95.000 miles pipe to converter
went ( major $$$). At 105.000 miles muffler and long pipe were replaced 
again. So, my conclusion is that CONSUMERS REPORTS data on exhaust 
systems on TOYOTA cars is absolutely correct. I don't understand why
company that makes such good cars can't solve this problem ????????
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Subject: Re: Ford Tempo + SHO engine = ?
From: <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:29:08 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

In article <1992Nov12.141924.28848@metter.fmpmis.metter.com>,
virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) says:
>
>Right after the LH/Lexus fiasco, I pulled up to a light,and right next to
>me came a teal '92 Tempo with the V6 driven by a very attractive young
>woman--who kept peering at the badge on my Acclaim. Anyway, I sat there
>and thought, "Hmmmm--now wouldn't it be cool,since the Tempo/Topaz are being
>redesigned in another year, if they went ahead and made a Tempo GT and stuffed
>the SHO engine in it--made this thing maybe a limited production vehicle--and
>sell it through select dealerships?"
>
I read an article last year where they put the SHO engine in a Ford Festiva!
The engine was so big they had to mount it right behind the driver's head.  It
sounds like a good idea but with all that power and so little car, you can't
mash the accelerator without doing 360's into the ditch.  Do you think the same
problem would occur with the Tempo??  Personally, I think the new Probe would
be a much better candidate but I don't know if it would fit.




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From: jlg@zycor.lgc.com ()
Subject: Camaro or Daytona?
Originator: jlg@jason.zycor.lgc.com
Organization: Landmark/Zycor  (Austin TX)
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:29:19 GMT

>>Third generation Camaros ('82-'92) have never had door mounted
>>seatbelts.  Air bags have been standard since 1990.  My opinion
>>is get a V8 Camaro.  The power and torque are a whole lot better.
>>Of course the TPI 305 (available in Z28) is a whole lot better
>>than the TBI 305 in the RS.   However, Z28's cost more and have
>>higher insurance.  I have seen some great buys on 305 RS Camaros
>>lately.  On the highway gas mileage with my '87 TPI 305 is almost
>>25mpg.  You might also want to consider waiting for the '93 Camaros
>>since '92 Camaros might be pretty slim pickings by now.
>
>Is that 25 MPG with a stick or auto? My (FIREBIRD) Formula gets
>27 at 60 Mph in overdrive with the 305 TPI. Oh, sorry...I was using
>IMPERIAL gallons which are larger. Why don't we just use Litres and
>avoid confusion?
>
>
> 87 FORMULA       ???         5.0 (305)    215       280(!!)    TPI
                   ^^^
                   LB9


Mine is a 5-speed manual.


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85 IROC-Z (man.) L69         5.0 (305)    190       240    4BBL H.O.
87 IROC-Z (man.) LB9         5.0 (305)    215       295    TPI 
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 00:19:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Forgetting to Turn Off Headlights
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA