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From: jyanowit@mtholyoke.edu (Jason Yanowitz)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz vs Chip Berlet
Date: 13 Jan 1993 00:35:53 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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The notion that Bo Gritz isn't a racist, anti-semitic, sexist pig
is grounded in a skewed sense of reality.  He's the head of the Populist
Party, a proto-fascist/extreme right-wing organization that's based
in the Mid-West (they try to get farmers on their side, a la the old
Populist Party.  guess who they attack a lot -- that's right, the 
the "Jewish-controlled banking system").  To question Chip Berlet's
scholarship ad hominem (sp) is a pathetic move.  PLEASE do a little
research into these people (and even if you dislike Chip Berlet, his
assessment of Bo Gritz is certainly accurate).

I'd apologize for using the bandwidth, but the notion that Bo Gritz is
anything other than bigot must be stopped -- he and his ilk are gaining
ground in the Mid-West, after all.


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From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:35:44 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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>LBJ: Read "Path to Power" by Robert Caro. It details how he stole the 1948
>election.

That's "Means of Ascent" by Caro. Caro wrote the other one too, but it's
MoA that deals with the 1948 election and how LBJ stole it. Though when you
read it, you sometimes wonder if LBJ's opponent (Gov. Coke Stevenson) walked 
around with a halo shining around his head, given the way Caro describes him.



-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:17:42 GMT

> Brad Pierce writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1993Jan5.005257.15405@cs.ucla.edu>
> Posted: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:52:57 G
>
> Org.  : UCLA, Computer Science Department
>
> In article <1iabr7INNpbf@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W.
> Bledsoe) writes:
>
> >                             The Insiders
> >                                  by
> >                            John F. McManus
>
> >             Copyright (c) 1992 by The John Birch Society
>
> >As communism continues to advance toward total world domination, as
> >America's place in the world slips from undisputed leadership to
> >second-rate status
>


Yeah, I laughed at that too.  Communism advancing towards total world
domination... Has the JBS not entered this decade or do they really think
re-running old 70's propaganda is going to convince somebody?

I always thought they were a bunch of loonies, here is (at least marginal)
proof.


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"

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From: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:16:17 GMT
Reply-To: lindq@etek.chalmers.se (Johan Lindqvist)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <1ikjolINN2pe@rana.usc.edu>, amanda@rana.usc.edu (Amanda Bischoff) writes:
|> I do agree, though, that are penalties need to be stiffened.

Someone claimed that the SOLE reason crime are increasing in the US was
that the punishment seldom fit the crime.

Actually, according to all major researchers on this area, the severity
of the punishment does NOT restrain people from committing a crime. More
important is the chance of getting caught. There are no statistical, or
other, evidence that capital punshment decreases crimes at all. Sometimes
even the opposite.

______________________________________________________________________________
Johan Lindqvist                     |Due to lack of interest, tomorrow
Gothenburg         Mail:            |has been cancelled.
Sweden      lindq@etek.chalmers.se  |
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From: markp@dragonfly.wri.com (Mark Pundurs)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:59:55 GMT

In <1992Dec30.195442.29596@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:

>In article <bhayden.725732024@teal> Bruce Hayden, bhayden@teal.csn.org
>writes:
>>And $31 million dollars. After all, aren't all conservative
>>republicans greedy?

>Do you really think that is his salary????   :-/

No; that's how much of OUR money he's blown on his charade. (Bet his salary
is hefty, though...)

>>Which laws are you talking about? Jaywalking? Lying to Congress?

>Lying to Congress, embezzling government funds, circumventing national
>policy, ....

Charge #1. Maybe.
Charge #2. Bull! It's not clear that PROFITS from arms sales are "government
	   funds; and the money was LEGALLY spent furthering foreign policy 
	   goals. (The much-ballyhooed Boland Amendment didn't apply to
	   the NSC -- and didn't enact any penalties for infractions.)
Charge #3. Aiding the Contras WAS national policy: it was the Administration's
	   policy, and the on-again-off-again Congress had no policy.


Mark Pundurs
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From: drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake)
Subject: Re: contradictory nature of free will and omni-anything
Keywords: Signs
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:41:43 GMT

ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:

> Anyway. Consider the typical picture of time. The past is fixed, it's
>'already happened,' the present is where choices get made, and the future
>is not fixed and can be altered by present choices.
> Now, my parents met, got married, and had me. This choice is done, it
>cannot be changed, right? But if this choice is fixed, does it mean that
>they didn't have free will then, at that time? Of course not. When that
>was the present, they could make their own choices, just as we at this
>moment can make our own choices.
> So, in principle, having a known, fixed sequence of events does not deny
>free will, correct?

Might I suggest a reading of P.D.Ouspensky's work, "The Strange Case of
Ivan Osokin?"  It deals with an interesting variation on this theme;
the main character keeps reliving the same sequence in his life.  His
view of time is interesting also, in that he proposed that time, like
space, has three dimensions (this was before Einstein's theories that
the two are somehow one and the same).  I quote from Colin Wilson's
book _Beyond the Occult_:

	"Life is full of non-actualized potentialities, says
	Ouspensky...and when it comes to the end it starts all
	over again, so we go on living the same life forever...
	But it does not have to be exactly the same: only dull
	and lazy people live the same life over and over again.
	More determined people strive to actualize their
	potentialities, and although the events are predetermined,
	they can choose to pour more energy and determination
	into them.  So their lives are changed infinitesimally
	each time." - p 160

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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:33:53 GMT

In article <1idd1gINNfgs@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>>LBJ: Read "Path to Power" by Robert Caro. It details how he stole the 1948
>>election.
>
>That's "Means of Ascent" by Caro. Caro wrote the other one too, but it's
>MoA that deals with the 1948 election and how LBJ stole it. Though when you
>read it, you sometimes wonder if LBJ's opponent (Gov. Coke Stevenson) walked 
>around with a halo shining around his head, given the way Caro describes him.

It's the portrayal of Coke Stevenson that makes clear to those of us who
know Texas history how biased Caro is. Suffice it to say that Stevenson
was a typical politician of the era in Texas: racist, but not overly
corrupt.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost
From: dah@cveng121.veheng.det (Dewane A. Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Pope John Paul II
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:00:56 GMT
Reply-To: dah@cveng121.veheng.det
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


Is it true that Pope John Paul II once worked for the
I.G. Farben Chemical Company that sold cyanide and other 
poisonous gases (Zyklon B, Malathion) to the Nazis in the
1940's.
From: pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:10:27 GMT

In article <C0G7rM.4oF.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
>
> ... I thought rabbinism wasn't a meaningful force until the destruction
>of the Temple and the end of Temple-centered worship.

You are wrong, and I take no pleasure in pointing out the mistake of a
fellow Christian.  Though rabbinism became the _official_ Judaism only
after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD, it had been a
powerful _opposition_ party long before that, with strong popular
support at the grass roots.   Hillel, probabily the most important
figure in rabbinism, did most of his works in the early part of the
first century.  The rise of rabbinism in that period had to do with
the corruption, Hellenization, and moral decline of the Roman-appointed
high priests.  With the growing popular support enjoyed by rabbinism,
the high priests clung to their _official_ religious leadership position
with the backing of the Romans.  After all, the high priests had the
control of the Temple Guards, the only armed force outside the Roman
regulars.  The anti-Roman sentiment among the rabbis and the general
Jewish populace kept growing and eventually led to the Jewish War in
the autumn of 66 AD.

> ... What rabbis?

They were called Pharisees in the New Testament.


Regards,
-- 
For Christ and His Kingdom
-- Publius
Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, all mine, mine alone.
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: jbs
Summary: do we have to put up with this
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:58:40 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.

Anybody who has claim to even the most rudimentary comprehension
of the world know that that people such as the JBS, however much
they may try to dress up their insane frothings, are to be, at best
pitied, at worst, if we are to have violence in this world, then
let it be used to rid the planet of such malignant ugliness as 
they represent.

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64  
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.activism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:21:11 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
] In article <1iabr7INNpbf@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
] 
] >                             The Insiders
] >                                  by
] >                            John F. McManus
] 
] >             Copyright (c) 1992 by The John Birch Society
] 
] >As communism continues to advance toward total world domination, as
] >America's place in the world slips from undisputed leadership to
] >second-rate status
] 

let me guess, you buy into all that EastCoastMediaMonger's
Propoganda about how there is an end to the cold war,
and that somehow we should lull ourselves to sleep.....

Well I'll Tell You Bud! No Sooner do You Close your eyes
and the Little Red Menace Comes Out from Underneath your
Bed and Continues the Communist Conspiracy!

How Else Do You explain the fact that laundromats have a
way of giving you back only ONE of a pair of Socks!!!!

ciao
drieux

-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: 
Just because you are a homicidal maniac
doesn't mean you don't have a sense of humor.
		- Barry Sadler
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:02:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy

As quoted from <1icldjINNcjl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs):

> 
> In a previous article, cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) says:
> 
> >As quoted from <1i8t6hINNc4m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs):
> >
> >> 
> >> Does anyone out there know what is happening with Bo Gritz since the
> >> election?  If you can share anything with me, please send me email.
> >
> >Maybe the "black (multinational) helicopters" came to get him on December
> >19th.... 
> >
> >Sorry, just couldn't help myself.  Just LOVE a good looney conspiracy 
> >theory.... :)
> 
> This is the typical pap, passing for humor but utterly devoid of
> information, I normally get from critics of conspiracy theory.  Since
> they have nothing to refute with, they make fun of.
> 
I find a total lack of evidence in support a LOT to refute with.  But then 
that's what the "Zionist Occupation Government (tm)" pays me for.... :)

> Notice I said nothing about conspiracy in my original post.  All I did
> was ask for information about a man.  If this is typical tactics of
> those who oppose Gritz--and it is--maybe we should pay closer attention
> to what he is saying?
> 
I can only judge by his vocal supporters... and their "colorful" claims.... :)
> 
> 
>  
> 


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From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:04:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <C0Kpo9.7Ju@world.std.com> squirrel@world.std.com (Publius) writes:
>In article <C0G7Lo.4GE.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
>>Matthew 27:24-25
>>	When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather 
>>	a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the 
>>	multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person:
>>	see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be
>>	on us, and on our children.
>But, anyway, the crowd mentioned in this passage must be the pro-Roman
>partisans of the Roman-appointed high priest.   The fact they could
>shout in unison is indicative of two things:
>(1) The crowd wasn't very large, probabily not beyond several hundreds,
>    if not smaller.  A large crowd can NOT shout in unison.
>(2) The crowd was highly organized.   Only a highly organized crowd can
>    shout in unison.

Doubtful of even a crowd (that's almost a mockery of Roman justice).  Far
more likely that the crowd had gathered to ask for the freedom of the "other"
person... the so-called Barabbas (probably some perverted greek translation of 
Bar Abba).

>All evidences point to the Roman-appointed high priest as the organizer
>of this small band of pro-Roman partisans (i.e. traitors to the Jewish
>nation), who wanted to do away with Jesus simply because Jesus inspired
>so much nationalistic sentiment, as evidenced by His triumphant entry
						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That must have been the plan.  On passover "vast" crowds must have entered
Jerusalem.  Jesus must have thought that was good time for him to execute
his call for the march out of Jerusalem; the messianic call to repudiate Roman
rule.  Also likely that some of his followers must have thought if the people
started the, march the Romans would have slaughtered the whole lot and thus
sneeked before the Roman authorities to let them in on the secret: the story
of Judas.

>followers of Jesus and the Zealots (Reference: Biblical Archaeology
>Review, January/Feburary 1993, pp. 60-61).  I would not go that far,
>and in my view, the Divine Mission of Jesus was certainly misunderstood
>by His nationalistic followers before His Crucifixion and Resurrection.
>It was gradual process that His followers came to realize and comprehend
>the significance of His Work and Person, and that His goal was beyond
>just the restoration of the nation of Israel.  Anyway, my point is
>that the earliest followers of Jesus exhibited strong nationalistic
>fever, and it was this nationalistic fever, especially that outpouring

No doubt the call to be "fishers of men" must have sounded like sweet music
to zealots like Peter.
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From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:47:05 GMT

In article <1idd1gINNfgs@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>>LBJ: Read "Path to Power" by Robert Caro. It details how he stole the 1948
>>election.
>
>That's "Means of Ascent" by Caro. Caro wrote the other one too, but it's
>MoA that deals with the 1948 election and how LBJ stole it. Though when you
>read it, you sometimes wonder if LBJ's opponent (Gov. Coke Stevenson) walked 
>around with a halo shining around his head, given the way Caro describes him.

Oops, I stand corrected ... BTW, the book is a good read, primarily because
of the down-to-the-wire  account of attempt to challenge the vote,
but also because of the bit-parts played by guys like John Connally,
Abe Fortas and others.

Pat
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From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Re: CROP CIRCLES
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:15:33 GMT

... I'd forgotten to add my appeal to all right-thinking people :



                  Save the Wheat!  Eat a vegetarian today!


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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:41:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.134027.25084@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:

>But aren't we talking about foreign policy though?  Besides the ability
>to declare war, what foreign policy powers are given to Congress in the
>Constitution?  If there are none, passing laws restricting the FP powers
>of the executive branch would seem to me to be unconstitional.

Um, *what* foreign policy powers of the executive branch?  The president
is commander in chief of the armed forces, and he is allowed to make
treaties and appoint ambassadors with the advice and consent of the Senate.

He may also receive ambassadors.

That's it.

Selling US arms to another country doesn't seem to fit under that.
Neither does diverting federal money to the contras.

Congress decides where federal money can be spent.  Not the President.

>As an aside, the facts about IranContra have been known to Congress for
>years.  Why didn't the Congress impeach Reagan then if things were so
>awful?  These frivolous charges by Walsh against Weinberger before the

First of all, all the facts of Iran-Contra are still not known, because
executive department officials keep lying.

As to impeaching Reagan, it is virtually impossible to prove he *knew*
about the illegalities, since North, et al, said they were operating
without his knowledge.  If it had been any other president, he probably
would have been impeached, but it was actually believable that Reagan
didn't know what the executive branch was doing.  It was actually
believable that Reagan didn't know what planet he was on, too, of course.

>election were thrown out.  The press release from the Clinton campaign
>was dated before the indictment.  This smacks of political dirty tricks
>that are supposed to be the forte of the Republicans (wait... Walsh is a
>Republican.... hmmmmm?)

Yeah.  That's it.  You caught him.

-- 
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From: ldsoderb@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (David S. Oderberg)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: JFK archive?
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:04:02 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

Can anyone tell me whether the voluminous postings on JFK's assassination
have been archived? If so, how can I access it?
Thanks
D.S.O.
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:16:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.105826.10310@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>I think the victim is entitled to some if not all of the money Fisher is
>getting from the obscene number of book/movie deals she got.
>

Look everyone, Simon's turning socialist!


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