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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: A Suggestion for an Experiment (was: rec.music.creative_music)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:56:58 GMT

>Subject: BLUES: A blues post

OK, so that's how I post comments about Charlie Parker's COOL BLUES...

>Subject: JAZZ: A jazz post

No, I guess it goes here...

>Subject: CM: A creative music post

Ah, this is where is belongs...

>Subject: NC: A no catagory post

Bird is beyond category--THIS is where it goes!

>Any takers

Not here.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
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From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Subject: Re: braxton book
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:39:08 GMT

talh@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tal Herbsman) writes:
> could someone email me all the relavent information about the book
> that gets mentioned here every once in a while about the braxton
> european tour that took place sometime in the mid 80's (84 ?).
							  ^^
							1985.

FORCES IN MOTION: The Music and Thoughts of Anthony Braxton
	by Graham Lock

1988 Da Capo Press paperback.
ISBN 0-306-80342-9
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: MINGUS favs.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:03:41 GMT

In <6434@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dnd@ee.man.ac.uk (Darryl Davis (RA)) writes:

>I'ld go for that, tho the one that got me hooked on Mingus was Duke's Choice.
>Black saint and Duke's are on CD, Tijuana i am not sure about..

Tijuana Moods is on CD as New Tijuana Moods.  It includes several
alternate takes.  In Canada it is on Bluebird 5644-2-RB.
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From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Subject: Re: Bill Frisell Trio at Johnny D's
Keywords: jazz blues creative improvised music herion opium gordon's gin
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: tub
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:02:08 GMT

>Saw Bill Frisell, Kermit Driscoll and Joey Baron tonight at Johnny D's
>in Somerville, MA.  In a nutshell: it was great!!

I caught them last fall at Quasimodo in Berlin.  They were tres fun.

>Driscoll was laying down some fantastic bass-lines (he was playing a
>five-string bass -- I don't think I've sen too many of those).

In Berlin, Driscoll broke *every* string on his bass in the course
of the evening -- the last one intentionally because he was mad at
the bass or himself or whatever.  This forced Bill to try to say
funny things.  I think he should stick with guitar and not be a
comedian.  :-)

>too much.  If the Bill Frisell Trio or Band or whatever comes anywhere
>near you, see them, that's my recommendation!

I second this recommendation.  If he's playing with Motian and Lovano,
then it's an absolute must see!

Andrew Shields

>-Ed (not Tim), eprice@sybase.com (not wildman@...)
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From: HF.PEC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Doug Peckler)
Subject: Re: Robben's New Album (was Re: Robben Ford fans)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:32:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.082318.20814@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl>,
templon@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jeffrey Templon) writes:
>ochikubo@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com (Craig F. Ochikubo) writes:
>
>>>I forgot to mention that although Robben (and band member Roscoe
>>>Beck) were the producers, Chick Corea was the "executive
>>>producer".  So maybe this explains some of the fusion feel
>>>that sort of wafts in and out of the disc.
>>>
>>is it on the label that Chick Corea was suppose to be starting?
>
>it was on something called "Stretch Records".  I don't know if
>that is Chick's or not.
>
Yes, that's it.  Ford spoke of this at a guitar clinic a couple
months back.
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From: njsieger@staff.tc.umn.edu (Nicholas Sieger)
Subject: Re: Sonny Rollins
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:16:58 GMT


I saw Sonny at that Oct 3 concert in the civic center and it was far and
away one of the best concerts I've seen next to Miles, Max Roach and 
Joe Henderson just a week before Sonny.  Sonny is such a captivating live
player; he plays with an incredible amount of energy that is uncomparable
to any other living saxophonist.  Hope everyone gets the chance to see him
soon.

Nick Sieger
njsieger@staff.tc.umn.edu
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: MINGUS favs.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:59:27 GMT

In <Bvpu31.G2x@fc.hp.com> mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella) writes:

>: I am about to expand my Mingus CD collection (stands at 1 for the moment) and
>: would like to know people's favourites (and one's to avoid). Any good CD box
>: sets? Anythings about to be released? Please email.

>For me, the definitive Mingus is "Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus", with
>Eric Dolphy on saxophone/bass clarinet.  More than any other album in the
>world, this one makes me want to put a working band together and go on tour,
>doing this kind of semi-structured yet free yet bluesy music.  Next would be
>anything else from that group, such as "Live At Antibbes", although the jam
>session-ish recordings with Roy Eldridge are pretty weak, in my opinion.

I agree with Marc that the early 60's group with Dolphy is Mingus'
best.  I would point out that the group as a group plays on only one
track of the Newport Rebels album with Roy Eldridge and that one key
element is missing from all three tracks: Dannie Richmond's drums.
This group toured Europe in 1964 and there are a number of concert
albums.  On lp there are two Mingus in Europe sets, Live in Europe Vol
1 (enja 3049ST) and Live in Europe Vol 2 (enja 3077ST).  enja's CD
Charles MIngus in Europe (R2 79612) is eessentially Vol 2 with a
version of So Long Eric (at 22:51) added.  The French label
ESOLDUN-INA has a cd from a Paris concert Meditation (FCD 102).  In
addition to the Charles Mingus Presents Charles MIngus on Candid (CD
9005), much the same group is on Mingus (Candid CD9021) which is
interesting because the three songs appear nowhere else (I think).

Stan Jones (sjones@ccs.carleton.ca)      ()
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From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Re: FRED FRITH at the Knitting Factory
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.111313.19726@athena.mit.edu> eprice@sql.sybase.com writes:
[... Fred Frith stuff deleted ..]

>My next Cadence order is gonna be heavy on the Frith material!  Anyone
>care to give me recommendations?

You must get "Technology of Tears". Definite favourite.
Most Frith fans are very enthusiastic about "Gravity". To me it is
fun, but not nearly as substantial. Nice thing about that CD is that
they used lots of the empty space to put on extra tracks that weren't
on the lp.
Next, you should listen to "The top of his head", "Speechless" and
"Guitar solos".
After all of that, there seem to be a zillion collaborations involving
him.
They include Ferdinand Richard (good fun), Henry Kaiser, one with
Kaiser, French and Thompson and one with Bob Ostertag. I find the last
two a bit poppy and dull, respectively.
Finally, Fred Frith has been in a zillion bands either as the main
inspiration or simply a more than competant member. Most of the Henry
Cow stuff is fun and when he plays with Material on "Memory Serves" it
is irresistably slick.

He also has a delightful stage personality. A lot of that comes across
in the video, "Step across the border", when he does talk on stage and
if you ever get to hear a radio interview.

Lastly, has anyone heard of him playing in a guitar quartet ?
A few weeks ago at the Wilisau jazz festival, he led a remarkable
guitar quartet which included Nick Didkovsky of Dr Nerve fame.
Remarkable stuff.
-Andrew
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From: ksedgwic@netcom.Netcom.COM (Ken Sedgwick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Bill Evans' Demise
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:08:26 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
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Does anyone know the cause of the pianist Bill Evans' untimely death
at the age of 50 in 1980?

Why are there so few recordings available from the last
5 years of his life?

Ken
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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 09:38:44 -0400 
From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: JULIAN PRIESTER AS LEADER?

>Is any netter aware of any recording by the trombonist Julian Priester
>leading his own group? I am acquainted with his work only thru Sun Ra
>and Dave Holland.

I have two and I'm sure there are more. There's one on ECM from the
mid-70s with a blue cover with a pyramid on it whch I've forgotten the
name of. I also have an old sextet lp on Jazzland from the late 50's
with McCoy Tyner, Charles Davis on baritone and others. Unfortunately, I
can't remember the name of that one either. Sorry.
Ralph

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From: klong@pauling.cs.rice.edu (Kevin Long)
Subject: Re: Jazz discographical references
Followup-To: Kevin Long <klong@rice.edu>
Summary: Brian Rust book out of print, but may be coming back
Keywords: jazz discography book availability print
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, TX
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:33:13 GMT

In article <92268.151744ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> Allen French <ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>A couple of years ago I bought "The Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz"
>on five CDs. In their bibliography they list two standard jazz references:
>
>  Brian Rust; JAZZ RECORDS, 1897-1942 (2 volumes); Arlington House, 1978
>  Jorgen Jepsen; JAZZ RECORDS, 1942-1967
>
>These sound like a great reference set. Are they as complete and authoritative
>as they appear? Still in print? Cost a fortune? Anything better? I thought I
>would check the net wisdom before making inquiries at my local bookstore. 
> Allen

After searching idly for years, I finally picked up a copy of the Rust
set.  Two thick volumes, the definitive edition being the fourth,
the others with major ommissions, published by Arlington House, out
of print, highly regarded reference. It lists artists, cuts, 
personnel, label and catalog numbers for all jazz recordings from
the era indicated in the title. Of course, it follows the evolving
character and generally accepted definition of what was jazz as it
proceeds through the era, picking up the relevant material as the
art evolved.  Thus, it's regarded as relatively comprehensive, and is
certainly voluminous enough to lend weight to the argument just on
the matter of size.

The rare book dealer with whom I consulted before buying this handy tome
advised a current street price of $175-225, I recall, but *only* for
the 4th edition. The $100 I paid for mine in Vancouver, therefore, 
was a relative bargain, I hope.  The rumor is that the book will be
republished, perhaps by Arlington, perhaps not, but I am not the
expert in this area.  I suggest a knowledgeable rare book dealer, or
a public or university librarian with a good jazz book collection.

Regards,
        Kevin Long
        Jazz Co-Director
        KTRU-FM, plus a legit day job
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From: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Jazz History/Books&Collections
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:43:32 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <1992Oct14.025009.21861@ccu.umanitoba.ca> mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal) writes, regarding Miles' autobiography:
>I've wondered about this.  While reading it, I was struck by a feeling
>of *deja vu* with regard to some of the stories.  I had previously read
>the bios by Carr and Chambers, so, unless Miles was capable of telling
>the same story twice (you decide) I wonder if Troupe didn't edit in
>bits from other sources.  Did anyone else have this feeling?

Yes, I thought so too.  I think that's a pretty common approach in writing
this type of book.  That reminds me of a funny moment in the 60 MINUTES
interview of Miles a couple of years ago.  The interviewer (Harry
Reasoner?) asked Miles about something he said about Cicely Tyson in the
autobiography (something negative), and Miles responded to the effect that
he wasn't sure what Reasoner was talking about, as he (Miles) hadn't read that
part of the book yet.  It was hard to tell whether or not Miles was putting
Reasoner on, but I suspect not.
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University at Albany
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From: milo@cbnews.cb.att.com (guy.f.klose)
Subject: Toronto radio stations?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:25:11 GMT

Hello:

Can anyone point me towards Toronto jazz radio stations,
or at least radio stations with jazz programs?

Thanks,
Guy
-- 
Guy Klose
milo@mvuxi.att.com
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: JAZZ IS DYING:HELP!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:47:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct15.184709.3523
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <Bw61Dy.9F@tegra.com> msaleski@tegra.com (Mark Saleski) writes:


    unfortunately, jazz programming without a strict playlist is quite rare.

but we have it here in charlottesville on WTJU. not a jazz station, but
alots lots of time to jazz programming. you definitely get lots of out
stuff, mostly in the nighttime jazz slots, and lots of the 4 Bs in the
morning. plus classical (waaaayyyyy out classical; almost never hear, say,
the four seasons), folk, rock (again, tending more towards the waayyy out
than the common), live music, etc. quite a rarity, tho, if i can believe
what i hear on the .net...:-0


--
Rob Dobson              University of Virginia Music Library
"Anything that starts with Ellington ends with an assassination attempt
on the Fuhrer!" --SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Hans Reinhardt, July 1944
From: milliken@scofield.Corp.Sun.COM (Gary Milliken)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Pat Metheny Group tour review
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:43:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Oct9.044547.15711@xyzoom.info.com> rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
>
>I have front-row center seats in the pit for the upcoming show at the
>Pantages Theatre in Hollywood on Oct. 16th.  I paid dearly for them.
>
>I am going to be taking a young lady who is not really into jazz, in
>fact she says (this is just our second date) she's not really into
>concerts much at all.  She states she "falls asleep at jazz-fusion and
>classical concerts".  
>Based on your experience, do you think there's any way she could fall
>asleep?  Notwithstanding her ambivalence toward jazz, I like her
>enough to want to share the evening.  I tend to think anyone would be
>dazzled by sitting in the front row at a Metheny concert, but am I
>projecting my own enjoyment on someone else?
>

Gee, I hate to be pessimistic, because (a) Metheny is probably my favorite
musician in the world, and is also very popular with many people, even
otherwise non-jazz-fans; and (b) surprises are always happening in the
world of music and its fans.  I don't know anything about your young lady
and her taste, so I couldn't predict; you certainly should hope for the
best, and maybe seeing the creative process up close like that could impress
her.  But I have a close female friend who has been loaned numerous Metheny
CDs and they still left her cold.  It wasn't Pat himself -- it was *jazz*.
Her reaction was that certain tunes were nice, particularly the prettier
ones, but the instant any improvisation starts, the thing sounds to her as
though it's lost its form and purpose.  [On the other hand, if I'd ever
been able to enjoy Garth Brooks... who knows, she might have married me.]

During my entire lifetime (i.e., after the end of the Big Band era), jazz
has been a very difficult animal to sell.  People want their music to be
channeled and predictable like TV shows.  Pat Metheny is one of the most
lyrical and melodic improvisers in the business, and his concerts routinely
draw crowds far larger than other jazz artists -- but it's still improvising
at its core, and a lot of people just can't find enjoyment in that.

One more poignant memory from the San Jose concert, called to mind by your
mentioning front-row-center seats:  near the end of the show, Pat came right
down to the foot of the stage with his acoustic guitar, and sat on a low
box to play "Tell Her You Saw Me".  The Performing Arts Center in downtown
San Jose has the first row nestled right up against the stage, and after
that beautiful tune, a guy was moved to stand up and shake Pat's hand.

Good luck and enjoy, Rob.
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: braxton & lewis (was: Re: JAZZ TROMBONE)
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:53:32


In article <Bw4nCv.1yM@fc.hp.com> mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella) writes:

> : >The disc in question is "Five Compositions
> : >(Quartet) 1986".
> 
> Is this the one with Marilyn Crispell where one of the compositions
> consists largely of a repeated major scale?  I've only heard that
> one once,

Actually it's with David Rosenboom who I had and have never heard of.
I like his playing on this record. I found it used earlier this year
and while it isn't my fave Braxton record I think it is very
listenable.

Braxton, Anthony                                      Black Saint BSR 0106 (LP)
Title: Five Compostions (Quartet) 1986                                         
Recorded: 7/2/1986, 7/3/1986 at Barigozzi Studio, Milano, Italy                
Released: 1986
With: Anthony Braxton (leader), alto sax, tenor sax, sopranino sax, C melody
                                sax, clarinet, flute                           
      David Rosenboom, piano                                                   
      Mark Dresser, bass                                                       
      Gerry Hemingway, drums                                                   
Contents: 1) Composition - No. 131                                     ( 06:45)
          2) Composition - No. 88 (+ 108C)                             ( 05:50)
          3) Composition - No. 124 (+ 108D + 96)                       ( 09:05)
          4) Composition - No. 122 (+ 108 + 96)                        ( 09:20)
          5) Composition - No. 101 (+ 31 + 86 + 30)                    ( 11:25)
          Total:                                                       ( 42:25)
Purchased: 1992
Comments: prod GB.

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From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Radical New Jewish Culture Review
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:34:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Reuben Radding Rites:
:Am I the only person out there who's sick of poets who make constant
:references in their poems to poetry and poets? I wish I had a dollar for
:every one of them in NYC alone!

There are eight million poets in the Naked City ...
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: London Composers Orchestra
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:21:11 GMT

The "Subsets and Interactions" portion was last night.  There were four
sets, I was only able to attend 3, the third ending at midnight.  It
mostly consisted of solos, duets or small groups, often by artists who
play together as a group.  Tonight is the full orchestra, at
Northwestern University.

All I can say, the three sets I saw were very exciting, and there wasn't
a lame group the whole night.  Evan Parker played a soprano solo on a
kaleidoscopic circular breathed drone, and it got quite a rousing
response.  He also played in his trio with Barry Guy and Paul Lytton.
That was absolutely fierce, with Parker on tenor. Herb Robertson was
sitting in on trumpet, playing a duet with one of the trumpet players
from the orchestra.  He will be playing tonight.  There was a low brass
quartet of tuba and three trombones, a solo piano.  A very good solo
trombonist with some hilarious theatrics with his horn.  Barre Phillips
and other combinations which I would have to check my program for the personnel.

Everything was focused and taking care of business.  Obviously this
London group is at an advanced and refined stage of their art.

They are touring North America, thanks in part to the British Consulate.  
I guess they got clout to get Evan Parker a visa ;)  They were in
Vancover before, and I know they are playing (or played) at
Victoriaville.  If they come near you, don't miss.

Jeff
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: David Sancious
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:41:14 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Oct.8.22.30.39.1992.20742@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>As anyone seen any of his solo recordings, which are supposed to be
>re-released, out in the stores yet?
 
>I am interested in the CD versions.  The only one I have, which is on
>album, is "THE BRIDGE".
 
Haven't heard that one but I've got his first two releases:

Forest of Feelings              1975
Transformation (The Speed of love 1976

Don't know if they ever made it onto CD.
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