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From: dcantrel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel T Cantrell)
Subject: A1200 Technical question
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:59:02 GMT

I was hoping someone could answer a question I have about the inside
of an A1200.  I know the 44 pin connector on the motherboard is an
IDE interface with the standard 4 power pins built in.  What I am
not sure of is what the 40 pin connector sitting next to the DOS 
ROMs.  

Thanks.

Dan
From: toddo@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Todd Oberly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A1000 Printing Problem
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 14:06:24 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

 
Got a question for everybody:  I bought a used A1000 about a year ago,
and ever since, I've been having occasional trouble printing.  I was
using a virtually incompatible printer for the first couple months,
so I didn't pay much attention to the trouble.  Now my system includes:
A1000 with FastPals, disk-based Kickstart 34.5, Workbench 1.3 version
34.28, Citizen GSX 140+ running under the C= EpsonQ driver and con-
nected to the parallel port with a homemade gender changer.  I usually
use FinaL Copy II for printing, but have had trouble with other
printing programs, too (DiskMaster, Printfiles, etc.).  It's not that
I CAN'T print, but sometimes it takes more than a dozen tries to get
an error-free copy.
 
Here's what happens:  I get random dots across the page or lines of
random built-in printer characters (even in FC II final mode). Some-
times it will print a half-line of garbage, then 2-3 blank lines,
then another half-line.  Other times it will print a line of garbage
at the top of a page, form feed, print another line, etc.  Still
other times I'll get halfway through a decent printout and then it'll
start printing garbage.  You get the idea.
 
I really doubt the problem is Final Copy II, the printer, or the
parallel cable/gender changer.  That leaves the A1000 itself and the
driver software.  Could the parallel signal be getting garbled some-
how?  Is the EpsonQ driver completely compatible?  If anybody has any
idea what might be happening, please reply via EMAIL.  (I'm accessing
Usenet through a long-distance BBS, and don't have the money to check
replies posted to this area.)
 
Moocho thanks in advance!
 
Todd
 
(toddo@hogbbs.scol.pa.us)
From: sjk@ut-emx.uucp (Phil Alvin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000-T?
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:56:12 GMT
Organization: Fred's Lounge

In article <1992Dec29.173448.6178@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, jeff@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Linder) writes:
> I am having a crisis.
> Do I buy a 4000 now?
> Or do I wait for a RUMORED tower that might not be included as part of the power up program?

Jeff, 
I faced a similar problem a while back and since my needs were
immediate, I bought a 3000T-040 (which are now on special price)
for cheap. They have a real 25MHz '040 and standard SCSI interface.
It runs as fast as a 4000 except for graphics stuff.  The 4000
chipset is about 4 times as fast.  You don't get AGA but you do get
ECS, up to 18MB on the motherboard, SCSI, and a slew of expansion
possibilities.  If graphics aren't a top concern, this is a great
deal.  I am happy with mine.  E-mail if you have morre questions. I
will post a review soon to c.s.a.r if there is interest.

scot
sjk@emx.cc.utexas.edu
sjk@astro.as.utexas.edu

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From: rodd@jpradley.jpr.com (Rod Dorman)
Subject: Re: 3.5" ide with a 1200?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 20:36:11 GMT
Organization: Unix in NYC

In article <1993Jan1.075838.28303@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>Oh, on a side note...  What was the purpose of the shielding on the 500? I've
>been using mine w/o shielding for about 2 years and nothings gone wrong...

Offhand I can think of two reasons:
	1) to get FCC certification
	2) to not screw up your neighbors TV reception
-- 
					-- Rod --
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: A1200 Technical question
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:01:41 GMT
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Dr Peter Kittel Germany (peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec29.175902.7596@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dcantrel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel T Cantrell) writes:
:  >I was hoping someone could answer a question I have about the inside
:  >of an A1200.  I know the 44 pin connector on the motherboard is an
:  >IDE interface with the standard 4 power pins built in.  What I am
:  >not sure of is what the 40 pin connector sitting next to the DOS 
:  >ROMs.  

: They were intended to upgrade a 1 MB Chip RAM machine to 2 MB Chip RAM.
: But as it now turns out that probably all future A1200's will come
: already with 2 MB on board, these connectors will perhaps vanish some
: day. - As far as I know, you can also connect an RTC (clock chip) there.

: -- 
: Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
: Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
: Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
Is there any way at all I can either use my 500rx (which I have pumped 4 meg
into) as a whole or at the very least, just the chips in the 1200?  Nobody
wants to buy the 500rx for anything near a reasonable price...
From: ry41@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernhard Moellemann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: O.K. all you Techies..What does a green screen mean at startup!
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:35:34 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
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In article <1992Dec22.220847.19224@seq.uncwil.edu>, loyd@seq.uncwil.edu (David Loyd) writes:

>Just as the title states. I turn on the A2000 and I get a green 
>screen and that's all folks.

It means the processor detected some kind of chip-ram failure during boot time.

It can also be caused by a angnus not sitting correctly in its socket.
Then the refresh will be not done.

Press your angnus into its socket and the error will disappear for the next
few month. This is another argument for SMD 8-)

This question should be really in the FAQ.

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 2000/500 Technical Reference Manual:  "A1000, the original Amiga"  \X/
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 14:08:05 EST
From: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Attn Commodore: You are making a Big Mistake (Hardware
 <38111@cbmvax.commodore.com> <BzqqyC.M1o@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
 <38130@cbmvax.commodore.com> <92359.214301LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <38140@cbmvax.commodore.com> <Bzus3J.70n@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>

In article <Bzus3J.70n@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben
Eng) says:
>
>It's easy to defeat, but it is impractical or at least inconvenient.
>As if everyone and his dog, who can only afford to purchase an A500
>or A1200, has the know-how to reprogram little pieces of hardware
>whose acronym they don't even understand.  Perhaps with the aid of

Ooops.  I guess the average folks have enough hard time to figure how
to do the 1 Meg Agnus chip mods (or just removing it without costing
any damages to the motherboard or old chip.)

>some brilliant pirate organization's hardware/software blackmarket
>add-on.  All the more reason to make the process as inconvenient

I heard there is/are game console add-ons that allows you to copy
the games (on ROM) onto floppy disks and load back.  Now that's some kind
of pirate hardware add-on for you little game console.  This type of
things does happens.

>as possible.  Solder that darn PAL down.  Heck, mold it into the
>motherboard.  :-)  :-)

Surface mount offers a little more protection and cost saving...

>Ben

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: 3.5" ide with a 1200?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:43:49 GMT
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John Charles Zurawski (zurawski@cse.uta.edu) wrote:
: Is it possible to use a 3.5" IDE drive with the 1200's internal IDE
: interface?  I know that it may not be possible for the drive to fit
: inside the machine, but I have a spare IDE drive I could put in an
: external case or something.  I also read someones comment that the
: non HD model does not come with the necessary HD preparation software.
: Is there freeware/pd equivalent software?  It would be a real shame if
: I could not make use of this drive I already have.  I have a 
: Western Digital AC280 and a Seagate ST157A.  I have not decided which
: one to keep in my 386 yet.  Any help will be appreciated.

: Thanks.


You should be able to use a 3.5" ide with it....  Just take a longer cable
and stick it on top of the computer, like I plan to doL....  (But isn't that
bad for the computer?)  Well, I've had my 125 meg ide hd sitting out in the
open on top of my 500 for a year, and its fine...

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From: zurawski@cse.uta.edu (John Charles Zurawski)
Subject: 3.5" ide with a 1200?
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:33:27 GMT

Is it possible to use a 3.5" IDE drive with the 1200's internal IDE
interface?  I know that it may not be possible for the drive to fit
inside the machine, but I have a spare IDE drive I could put in an
external case or something.  I also read someones comment that the
non HD model does not come with the necessary HD preparation software.
Is there freeware/pd equivalent software?  It would be a real shame if
I could not make use of this drive I already have.  I have a 
Western Digital AC280 and a Seagate ST157A.  I have not decided which
one to keep in my 386 yet.  Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.
From: Jeffrey_Keyzer@sacbbx.sac.ca.us (Jeffrey Keyzer)
Subject: A4000 Monitors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.27a beta (Nov 30 1992)
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:22:57 PST


	I am interested in finding a good quality, inexpensive monitor
that will work with an Amiga 3000/4000 (is there a difference?).  I have
seen bits of conversations here and there, but I have never seen a list
of monitors that WILL work.  Can someone provide some input on this,
including general pricing, etc?  Thanks!


---

Jeffrey Keyzer 
Jeffrey_Keyzer@sacbbx.sac.ca.us

Amiga - The computer for the creative mind.
From: mascot@bnr.ca (Scott Mason)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 1000?
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:11:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Dec23.064050.15057@u.washington.edu> jjf@u.washington.edu writes:
>A friend of mine bought Crazy Cars III for his Amiga 500 (512k) and it
>works perfect.  I won't the same game work on my Amiga 1000 (512k) ...
>both running kickstart 1.3?  I have noticed a lot of stuff will not
>runl on the Amiga 1000 even though it works on a comparable Amiga
>500.... whats missing folks?

I don't have any direct experience with Crazy Cars III but I have not
noticed an extensive problem running software on my A1000. In general
the problems that I have found have broken down into three categories:

1. Copy protection that uses disk timing which my old internal drive
cannot support,

2. Direct European imports that require a recent Agnus in order to
software switch to PAL video format,

3. 1Meg games that assume the presence of C00000 FAST RAM as per an
A501 memory card.

Hope this helps. P.S. Are you not into carriage returns?

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From: tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com (Thierry BLANCHOT)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:58:57 FWT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A1200 IDE cable
Reply-To: tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views only|
News-Software: Usenet 3.1

I hope this is not yet a FAQ (it could become one soon?), but where can
I find the complete pinout description of the 2x22 IDE connector on
the motherboard of the 1200? The disk I have has a 2x25 connector.
Please E-mail answers. Thanks.
**********************************************************************
*    Thierry BLANCHOT  tblanchot@vnet.ibm.com   A1200                *
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Subject: Re: Adaptec SCSI<-->MFM and SupraDrive 500XP
From: John_Davis@equinox.gen.nz (The Nose)
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:54:36 +1200
Organization: Equinox Networks
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John D Barela (jbare@cup.portal.com) wrote:

>Also, does anyone know where I might find an OMTI 3527 SCSI <-> RLL board.
>I have been told that this is a faster board, but I can't find any sources.
>I know that these things have been out of production for some time, but was
>hoping to find one at a surplus outlet. No luck so far.

I doubt the omti will be any faster, when we tested the 4070 it gave
a raw speed of about 700K/s, the theoretical maximum for a 1:1 RLL drive
is about 800K/S, so it looks like the 4070 merely is getting lost revs
on step (which means we should have told format on the sun to skew accross
cylinders).

>Another elusive piece I've been trying to track down is an Emulex MT-02.
>This is a SCSI <-> QIC-36 adapter that I hope to use with a Wangtek
5099EG24
>tape drive (60MB). BTN tape handler supports the Emulex board and I would
be
>sooo happy to back up to tapes. Thanks in advance to all responses.

ask around any Sun oriented outfit - the mt02 was the standard tape
controller in the old sun shoeboxes (typically connected to either an
archive 5945c or wangtek 5099en24). Since a 60Mb tape drive is a bit
small for a Unix system nowdays, you should be able to find an un-used
one easy enough (that's how I got mine)

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From: standeven@adcalc.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Help with flakey monitor/PS
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:37:12 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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Recently my 500 has developed a nasty flicker on the screen, it looks like
hased raster lines. It doesnt obliberate the screen, just enough to be
annoying. Also the whole screen image jumps up and down. It will clear for a
while and then come back. It has also developed probloms booting up requiring
two or three times before it will take. This makes me suspect the power supply.
I have double checked all the cable connections of all peripherals. I have a
Supra 500XP HD, Supra 2400 modem, Supra external 3.5 drive and the stock 500
power supply. I was wondering if anybody has experienced a similar problom.

What are the symptoms of a sick supply? Is there any way I can check it? It has
acted preety reliably for a year now with no problom. Or maybe it is something
else altogether?

	Any help would be greatly appreciated.

	Jack

	Standeven@adcalc.fnal.gov

 
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From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Subject: Re: A1200/4000 ramblings...
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:12:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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Steve Winokur (swinokur@cellar.org) wrote:

> Close... but no cigar.

No, it is perfectly correct.  Movies have 24 distinct frame changes per
second, which is plenty enough to be perceived as smooth movement by
almost everyone.  However, the entire image is projected "at once", not
scanned with an electron beam as in a CRT.  This is what I was trying to
get across, in response to the orginal poster's comment that 24 FPS must
be a high enough _scan_ rate because it is high enough to be perceived
as smooth movement in movies.

Your point about doubling each frame and projecting at 48 FPS is
something else entirely and this used because there is, in reality, some
time between frames.  If you could envision a perfect projection system
which could put up one frame and then another immediately with no
interval between them, 24 FPS would be perceived as both flicker free
(because there is no scanning of the images or time between images) and
smooth (because 24 images per second is enough to look that way).

  - steve
From: hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Data/Instruction Cache & BURST modes on 68030? Why/when?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:23:59 GMT

I currently have a MMR 68030 with FPU and 2MB RAM. I know there are such
things as data/instruction cache modes and BURST mode, but I don't know
when or how these should be used, nor do my friends. I know how to turn
them on/off, but how do they work? When should they be used and when should
they NOT be used? Email appreciated!

Steve Heller
hellerS@moravian.edu
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From: mak@Germany.EU.net (Marcus Kommnick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia,alt.cd-rom
Subject: AppleCD 300 was Re: AppleCD 150 compatible drivers for Amiga?
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:19:13 GMT
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In article <AYRJOLA.92Dec29155623@vipunen.hut.fi>, ayrjola@hut.fi (Ari Yrjvld) writes:
> 
> Does anybody have experience with AppleCD-150 CD-ROM
> drive? So far I know it's some Sony model inside, but
> don't know exact model number. I'd need to know if
> that drive works with any CD-ROM filesystems available
> for Amiga (preferably Xetec, as it has CDTV disk support).
> 
> My SCSI controller is GVP's 030 Combo's built-in SCSI
> with v4.4 ROMs (it has an Apple-style external 25pin
> SCSI-connector). AsimCDFS filesystem is reported to
> support Sony CDU-541 and CDU-6211, maybe that AppleCD-150
> has one of those?
My question is similar:
Does the new AppleCD 300 Drive (which is shipping as addon for
the MAC II VX) work with my A3000? Or does Apple made some
modifications so that the drive only works with MAC's?
It supports double speed and AX (Multisession for Photo-CD).

> 
> 
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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: How to put a CLock in A1200
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:47:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.070125.18936@midway.uchicago.edu> sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Since the clock has a seperate conector than the FAST-Ram slot, is there
>an easy way to add one?

  Flip the unit over.  Take out the three scews along the front edge.  Take
out one screw on each side (to the back of the PCMCIA slot on the left and
just in front of the floppy on the right).  Flip the unit right side up.
Take the cover off.  Move keyboard out of the way (carefully!).

  Just to the back of the exposed ROM's is a small 2x3" plate held to the
main RFI sheild by two bent over tabs.  Bend up the tabs and remove the cover.
Plug the mythical clock module into the exposed header.  Reverse the
procedure to put it back together.

  Has anyone announced a clock module plugs in here?

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From: ayrjola@hut.fi (Ari Yrjl)
Subject: AppleCD 150 compatible drivers for Amiga?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:56:23


Does anybody have experience with AppleCD-150 CD-ROM
drive? So far I know it's some Sony model inside, but
don't know exact model number. I'd need to know if
that drive works with any CD-ROM filesystems available
for Amiga (preferably Xetec, as it has CDTV disk support).

My SCSI controller is GVP's 030 Combo's built-in SCSI
with v4.4 ROMs (it has an Apple-style external 25pin
SCSI-connector). AsimCDFS filesystem is reported to
support Sony CDU-541 and CDU-6211, maybe that AppleCD-150
has one of those?


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From: hgm@sparcler.cc.ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks)
Subject: Re: AE 1.52M device driver for 2.0??
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:22:21 GMT

zant0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Zanto) writes:

>I know this was asked before by someone, and an answer was posted, but I
>only heard about it from a friend, who didn't remember everything.  I NEED
>to find out about who I can get this device driver for the AE HD drives,
>that make it run in 2.0.  Thanks!

Here's the info that I have -- I don't own a AEHD, so I can't vouch for it.

----------------------------------

chris@zork.cc.binghamton.edu (Chris Peck) writes:

>I have a couple of items from an Amiga 500 that I would like to sell...

>-Applied Engineering's AEHD external 3.5" floppy drive, If you use
> AmigaDOS 1.3 this will give you around 1.5Meg of space to a HD floppy.
> It's the 1st high-density floppy drive made for the Amiga,
> unfortunately Commodore screwed AE so it doesn't work under AmigaDOS
> 2.xx or later as a high density drive, but works fine as a "normal" 880K
> drive... I have the original manuals & device drivers for 1.3, this is
> a nice drive (uses electronic eject - like Apples), is real quiet and
> works like a charm...   I'd like $75 or best offer....

I remember reading something about a patch which will make AEHD 
useable on WB 2.04.  If you are interested, please contact:

Max TenEyck Woodbury
99 Hartley Woods Drive
Kennesaw, GA 30144.  

I think he is asking us$30 for the patch...

>All the above work just fine.  The price is as listed or best offer &
>doesn't include shipping...

>-thanks
> chris

Hope that helps,
Kelvin



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