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From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: cause of skin cancer
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:18:38 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <2B252214.12580@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <ByyJpE.Hwo@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>I wonder could it be dou to the curent obsesion with the *TAN* to people
>>with skin types that are prone to problems like that and should 
<snip>>
>Tanning is insane.  Yeah, it looks good -- until you hit, oh, thirty.
>Then your upper chest looks like a leather handbag, and your cheeks
>start to look like a catcher's mitt with eyes.  It's A DEFENSE MECHANISM
>AGAINST DAMAGE, PEOPLE!  Some people should just not try -- if you are
>fair, give it the hell up.  It's dangerous for you.  I am dark enough to
>get away with some sun, but even I use sunblock (and my skin isn't
>nearly dark enough to suit me, so not tanning is a challenge.
>Especially my face -- I'd love to be able to tan my face, but my cheeks
>have just gotten like beets when I try).
>
>Just don't deliberately try to tan yourself.  I'm not going to go the
>way of some people who say that any slight amount of sun you get damages
>you.  This is the yellow star under which my kind evolved, and if
>avoiding this means never going outside agian, and never going to the
>beach with friends again, screw it.  Just don't overdo it; don't
>deliberately try TO TAN.
>
Finally, something I can agree with! I never did enjoy the concept of
putting myself on a spit, er, parson me, blanket, then basting, um, oiling
myself with gravy, oops, suntan lotion, and baking till done.

	mark, the beige

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: tucker@maestro.mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: Tree Prayin' Fey Talkin' Foo'
Keywords: Re: Tree Prayin' Fey Talkin' Foo'
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:22:08 GMT


Howdy Dawn, 

You dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) said:

 In article <00964C98.D5A1F760@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>,       
             uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
 > >
 > Lessee, I've had a fair bit of experience with the Folk who live in the 
   Woods.

Drool, drool, drool.

[great stuff deleted.]

  > differs, too.  Montana seems rather secretive, and watching.  Minneapolis is
  > alive with curious critters who are fascinated by friendly humans and
    Oreos.)

Damn.  I knew I shouldn't have moved away from Nebraska.

Has anyone reading this group had any experience like this in any urban
area?  How about outside of the square states?  Anywhere on the east coast?
Anything at all?  Or are the Boston area Fey a bunch of paranoid yuppies
with pickles up their rears like most of the human natives?



I (William Tucker) read, a couple of months ago:

An Article in the local Washington D.C. "City Paper" about a guy who lives
in downtown D.C. called the "bicycle man" that lives out in a shack in an
abandoned, wooded area in downtown D.C. In the article it described the guy, who
basically scavenges for a living, and devotes all of his time to making 
bicycles for children out of spare parts that he scavenges. He related to the
reporter interviewing him how he was sitting out in the woods one time with
one of the grown "kids" that had come around to visit him when he saw a little
man about ten inches tall standing off in front of him a short ways. I guess 
maybe they show themselves to people with good hearts eh?

If you want to read about them I suggest the Findhorn books, or things written
by Eileen Caddy. There's also a book put out by the Theosophical society called
Brotherhood of Angels and Men by Geoffrey Hodson, as well as one put out by 
W.Y. Evans-Wentz, called something like Secrets of the Fairy Folk, by Oxford
Press that I've heard is pretty cool. These are all supposed to be non b.s. 
sources, and having read the first two sources I think they have some merit.
No first hand experiences however. ;-) Sorry. The book Brotherhood of Angels and
Men gives some details about wood spirits, angels, etc.


See ya.


Wm T.

"Just my opinion, thank you."

.standard disclaimer
From: spayde@devl.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: more nomenclature
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:00:28 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: devl.fnal.gov

I am a little disturbed with all of this throwing about of nomenclature...

First of all, a warlock IS NOT a witch; a warlock is, in fact, such the inverse
of a witch that it is almost comical to use the word in any context regarding
witches. A warlock is a traitor, or one who would make an oath and break it.
This is not a gender-identifying term!!! Those who wish to think so have 
seemingly watched too many episodes of "Bewitched."

Also, when the threefold law is considered, there aren't white and black 
witches; there are smart and stupid witches.

Enjoy the Yule.

BB, 

Otter

Obligatory disclaimer: 

     These opinions in no way reflect the opinions of DOE or FNAL.
From: martini@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (ok)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: pagan origin of Christmas customs?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:29:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

um, could someone describe Mithras in simple terms, and suggest some good
books on the matter, and who/where were the oak & holly kings.. what was
the wild hunt?  universal, or local?
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From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Meaning of pentagram, pentacle for You
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:47:35 GMT

cn573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ray Henry) writes:


>There are MANY different meanings for the pentagram. Whichever
>one feels right is the right one for you. The two I have found
>which make sense to me are as follows:
>1.   Each point represents one of the five senses, with the
>     encompassing circle representing the "sixth sense."
>2.   Each point represents a God or Goddess aspect of the One.
>     These are Diana, Selene, Hecate, Kernunnos, Pan (or whatever
>     names you call them by.)
>It is also common to use the proper pentagram to indicate White
>magic and the inverted pentagram to indicate Black magic. Hence,
>the popularity of the inverted pentagram by self-proclaimed
>"Satanists" as well as those who actually do follow the darker
>paths.

Well, one other meaning for me is that the pentagram shows the human being
reaching for the Mystery (represented by the circle).

Another is the four Elements topped by Essence.

As for the Gods, I put the Mother up top, with the Hunter and Green Man to
either side of her, and the Maiden and Crone in the bottom points.  Then the
Dark Goddess is seen as being in the pentagon in the middle.

As for upright/reversed, I use upright to bring things to me/into being and
inverted to make them go away.  This means that I draw upright pentagrams at
the Quarters when calling the Elements, and inverted ones when grounding them
at the end of the ritual.  (A pentagram system that dyslexics can use!)  I
find this much less confusing than the various other methods of distinction I
have seen for invoking/banishing pentagrams.  Also, the inverted pentagram is
the Second Degree sign in Gardnerian/Alexandrian Wicca (though some US groups
use the upright one to avoid the Satanic connotations in our culture).

Of course, like most Witches, I don't believe in White/Black magic, except
as a distinction between full moon (manifestation) and dark moon (introspection)
magic.  White and black are equally holy to me.

Enjoy the journey!

                      --Br'anArthur

                                      Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
"We are secretly replacing the fine quartz crystals this medicine pouch maker
usually uses with Folgers crystals.  Let's see what happens...."
                                      --DACCrowell
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:44:22 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <724230576snx@hrnowl.lonestar.org> anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org (anwyn) writes:
>
>In article <Bz0sGn.7Kn@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu writes:
>  >   I still don't see how strip mining the moon's the equivelant of strip
>  > mining on Earth. Let's say alizard does manage to slag a mountain digging
>  > stuff out from it. Who's inconvenienced? There wasn't anything living
>  > there. The only things that might have set up shop there would have been 
>  > alizard's friends or creatures from deep space. Explain how he's going
>  > to make the moon any worse without deliberately scattering plutonium
>  > across the moon's surface.
>
>You forget the prime axiom of the enviromental movement is that
>all human activity is evil regardless of logic or fact.
>
Anwyn, do you *really* enjoy flames and bullshit so much, that you posted
the above line to provoke people, are are you so out of it that you actually
*believe* this inanity?

<a modest proposal deleted>

	mark
From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Welcome to the real world...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:35:37 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

saintjx@redorc.chi.il.us (Andy Swehttam) writes:

>These people would much rather blame God than themselves for not watching where
>they were going and tripping over a rock.. you see it happen all the time.

Actually, the Fundamentalist Christians wouldn't blame God if it rained
little purple frogs all over their brand new Ferraris... they'd blame
Satan.  Unfortunately, they'd blame other people for acting as agents
of Ol' Scratch, usually people of other religions, of other races, of other
sexual prefernce, or Liberals.

>Blessed be, and so long it harms none, do as you will.
>Slack. 
>$aint Reverend Jonas Xavier Ogyr Virus PhD MD STD

Bart -Laz- Smith
The 'Cat!
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: made runes
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:05:45 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <2B2803E9.20999@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu
(Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

[a long post describing all the fun she's having making runes]

Ah, yes . . . welcome to the wonderful world of woodworking!

> P.S.: The Minoan ones -- if I even make them -- would be great made with
> cypress!

Yummy!  Can I have a set?  I PROMISE I won't believe they have any
authenticity beyond what YOU put into them!

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Recycling,
Date: 18 Dec 1992 19:05:21 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <T5HsVB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> patrickm@netlink.cts.com (Patrick McKinnion) writes:
>   While on the comment of recycling items concidered to be 
>"unrecyclable", my school, (Grossmont College, El Cajon, CA), just 
>repaved all the campus roads using asphalt made from old auto tyres.
>   What would be the potential for using ground porcelain in a simular 
>road-concept ??  (example; Replacing the sand in concrete, or as a fill 
>material in road construction ??

I don't know about using porcelin, but since glass is currently being used
to make glasphalt for roadbeds, I don't see why porcelin couldn't also be
used in the same manner. Anyone know anything about the techniques currently
being employed for grinding glass for glasphalt and whether it sould be
used on porcelin?

Bb,
Corun


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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:36:25 -0500 
From: Alex Feely <af2e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: druid tree talking

Blessed be,

 

       WoW! this tree fey stuff is the first remotely druid stuff i have
ever heard! any way, i am a beginner to the druidic arts, and have a
question. in the book The 21 lessons of merlyn, it is mentioned that one
can change his aura to that of a tree an this will allow easier
conversing. now, how does one read and change his aura? i have heard of
this, but never found anything on it. 
     I am very interested in this and all other rituals or techniques
for druidism, any thing you know would be apreciated. 

      Drop me an e-mail or post it for everybody please.

                                                                        
                  Alex Feely

af2e@andrew.cmu.edu
My mind prances in wilderness yet untamed by human conception
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:42:47 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <lif807INNhon@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
>In article <1298@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM>, ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
<snip>> 
>> 	Here's some solutions *other* than flying to the stars for the 
>> technology buffs. How about a new lumber substitute, something made from 
>> reclaimed plastics or similar materials? Better technology for making 
>> particle-board look and feel like oak or whatever? If we can make it 
>> attractive, people will buy it and that will help to save the forests. I got 
>>some email from someone telling me tht the forests are in no real danger, the 
>> trees will re-grow. If I could I'd take you on a tour of Humboldt, Mendacino 
>and DelNorte counties where the logging industry does most of it's harvesting. 
>> After seeing the effects of strip-cutting I would challenge *anyone* to tell 
>> me those trees are going to grow back.
>
>How are you going to recycle plastics without letting loose a lot more
>pollution?  How much junk plastic is sitting around waiting to be reclaimed?
>I know it sure *seems* like a lot, but is it really enough to fill future
>needs, especially if you're planning on replacing wood products with
>some kind of recycled plastic substitute?  How much efficiency are we
>really going to get on that recycling (reclaiming 90% of it in a useful
>form would be miraculous)?  
>
>I wonder how plastic products *really* stack up against wood in terms of
>what it does to the environment?  Especially if we were dealing with an
>ideal recycling, re-using situation like you're suggesting.  Plastics are
>pretty filthy to work with, but where is the wood coming from and how
>is it getting cut down?
>
Plastic recylcing for lumber: ok. The have it. A Canadian friend tells
me that in downtown Lindsay, a suburb of Toronto, they have benches 
on the mall of recycled plastic, that looked like wood. Now get the
places you are to use it. Then, of course, you have to find jobs for
the lumbermen put out of work. But then they'll need them anyway, after
the "wood products" industry clear cuts, plants trees (and doesn't care 
for them, so they die) shafts them when they run out of local lumber,
and go elsewhere, just as the strip mines in the Appalachians did.

>whole thing.  What have we been talking, 100 years?  The best recycling
>(let's say we could recover 75% of everything, which is absurdly high)
>isn't going to give us another 100 years.  Cutting our birth rates isn't
>going to help that much, because the original generation lives on
>after producing for another 40 or so years.  It's just not going to give
>us another 100 years.  Nothing that anyone has said with the possible
>exception of space industrialization has proposed anything that extends
>our lifespan a noticeable amount.  Nothing else adds up.  Maybe mining
>space won't add up either, but it's a better play.
>
>Dawn

	mark
From: lance@Circle.Raleigh.NC.US (Lance A. Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:52:50 GMT
Organization: The Full Circle BBS, Raleigh NC - DOS/Waffle 1.65

tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
> Okay, let's clear the air on this one.  Since when were men called witches? 
> The correct terminology for a man who endeavors to engage in magical
> practices is "Warlock".  The more gender nuetral term would be
> "Necromancer".  If I practiced magic, I surely wouldn't want to be called a
> witch. 

Respectfully, phooey!

Each person can call themselves what they like.  I too am a man and very 
MUCH a witch.

Lance

--
The Full Circle
 Domain: lance@circle.raleigh.nc.us (Lance A. Brown)  [ preferred ]
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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:51:23 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <gate.ocooVB1w165w@pil.UUCP>, alizard@pil writes...
>Re: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
> 
>> From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
>> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
>> Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
>> : Recycling PORCELAIN??? 
>> Recycle it a different way. Turn it into a reef for fish or other sea
>> creatures. If they can use tires, I would expect such porcelain to be
>> even better.
>> Bill
> 
>Sounds reasonable. Any marine biologists want to comment? 
> 
>blessings
>                                                 A.Lizard

	I'm not a marine biologist, but have worked as a marine sanctuary 
docent, so here goes.
	Porcelain makes a better environment than tires due to the fact that 
the porcelain is not something that the fish/eels/crabs/etc. can gnaw off. It 
would make a fine start for a warm water reef, although I would break it up 
first so that the shape was not so obvious and fish do not get themselves 
caught in the plumbing fixtures (yes, some fish are that dumb) and die. Will 
this release dangerous chemicals inside the porcelain if such chemicals are 
present (see earlier post)? Moot point. If the chemicals are there, sand and 
pebbles in the wave action and the longshore drift current will expose these 
elements eventually, so if they are there, the fixtures are not useful for this 
pourpose to begin with. In tropical climates, coral will cover it eventually, 
but that will take decades. 

					- Ashley
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From: ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward Chanley)
Subject: Re: /What is a Pagan?  
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:47:23 GMT


For me the yardstick which defines 
Pagan isn't all that strict, and really
has nothing at all to do with Deity 
concepts: there are as many different
concepts of Deity as there are Pagans.

The real biggies for me are simply that
you live your life striving to Harm
None and you accept responsibility for
your actions (Karma/Threefold Law).
That so many Pagans happen to also
worship the Goddess(es) or celebrate
Esbats or Sabbats is a happy
coincidence for which I give thanks, 
since these things are importaint and
sustaining for me, but they don't
constitute a required "article of
faith" before I'll consider someone
Pagan.

Blessed Be,
Ward

-- 
I thank the Goddess for my life,
I thank the Goddess for my loves,
I thank the Goddess for continued blessings.
     -- Z Budapest
From: anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org (anwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Space, the final frontier 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 07:09:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Horned Owl BBS


In article <Bz0sGn.7Kn@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu writes:
  >   I still don't see how strip mining the moon's the equivelant of strip
  > mining on Earth. Let's say alizard does manage to slag a mountain digging
  > stuff out from it. Who's inconvenienced? There wasn't anything living
  > there. The only things that might have set up shop there would have been 
  > alizard's friends or creatures from deep space. Explain how he's going
  > to make the moon any worse without deliberately scattering plutonium
  > across the moon's surface.

You forget the prime axiom of the enviromental movement is that
all human activity is evil regardless of logic or fact.

I have a proposal to reduce the load that evil humanity places
on the earth: Shut down the unnatural sewer systems that serve our
major cities. In a short period of time, typhoid and other infectious
deseases will greatly reduce the unnatural concentrations of humanity
in cities. I would not be suprized if the after poplulation was only
1% of the original value. This would greatly reduce human caused polution.

anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org	(Sysop horned Owl BBS)
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: A Darkover type circle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:24:02 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b
Keywords: aura, matrix, energies

In article <1gskfmINN2ai@unidui.uni-duisburg.de> hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke) writes:
<MUNCH>
>As I have read a book about brain patterns recently (I don't know the
>title, it was lend to me by a medical doctor who specialised in sleep
>problems), I noticed that there were only brain wave patterns concerning 
>illnesses etc. 
>
>I wonder if there is reliable data about brain wave patterns taken
>during psi experiments.  And if yes - are they COMPLETE?  Complete in
>the sense that EVERY activity of the brain was logged.  I honestly
>wonder if today's brain wave patterns record every single bit of
>activity in the brain or if there are also 'energies' involved which 
>yet can't be measured at all. 

From all that I have read over the years, no one has yet measured anything 
that resembles thought, at least in any way that we can recognize. This,
of course, implies that there are things which we are not measuring.
>
>At the moment I doubt that we have enough data about the workings of
>the brain to determine which kind of pattern we might use to create an
>artificial matrix. I sincerely hope that mankind is far more developped
>than now WHEN (and I'm sure there will be the time...) we have the
>means. The power of the mind is a far to horrible weapon when abused.
>I think we shall be grateful that at the moment there is a lot of
>discipline involved in mastering even a diminutive amount of our 
>psychic abilities. This way the temptation to abuse these powers is
>relatively small. 
>
Yup. Since you're into Darkover, remember the psiwars. Why do you think 
my Famous Secret Theory(tm) is secret? 
	"Government spies are everywhere,
	   In your home and in your hair,
	      Lurking in their secret lair,
		(Counting dollars)..."
		- Gilbert Shelton, from one of his Fabulous Furry Freak Bros.
								Comix

	mark
>
>Okay, I'll say bye-bye for now and may you all celebrate Winter 
>Solstice / Yuletide in the fashion you like best and have a wonderful
>time! 
>
>Greetings to everybody on alt.pagan, especially Corun, Alizard, Dan,
>Jaguar, Ceci, Scott, Mark, Steve, Ray + Eric!

I assume that upper-case M-mark is me. Thanks, and to you the same.

BB

	mark


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