From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Newsgroups: alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: ***Top-notch romantic movies?***
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:56:14 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.065914.27348@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders) writes:


David, thank you for a very constructive and mature critique.

Let mwe tell you something.  I watch a lot of old movies.  I enjoy many
of them.  Despite the rotten messages.  Let me tell you something else.
Someone posted that these movies were romantic.  I said that I take exception to
that, because its plot involves people playing dirty tricks on each other.
Let me tell you a third thing.  This kind of message constantly emanating
has a major effect on people's attitudes.  Time and time again, you see
discussed the nice guy thread, is there love at first sight, if you love
him/her, you'll put up with anything, what tricks can I use to win him/her.

We have to be realistic about these things, that's what I'm pointing out.
I'm sorry I smeared your favorite movies in your opinion, but I thought
it needed to be said.

I find your outburst in response to be cynical, confrontational and
the opposite of the way I stated it at the top of this posting.

It really wasn't necessary, David.

>In article <1993Jan25.162026.29116@netcom.com> altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan24.184331.6833@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders) writes:
>>
>>"Here Comes the Groom" - Bing's character stands up his fiancee twice,
>>then brings home two orphans, thus necessitating a wife.  He proceeds
>>to screw up her marriage to someone else so that he can marry her.
>
>Well, that's *your* rather depressing and critical evaluation of the movie,
>I rather enjoyed it as being a light and humorous romantical comedy. Here's
>a quick clue,  the characters were supposed to be outrageous, that's why
>its called a comedy.
>

I think I summarized it quite well.  It is an entertaining movie.  They
are, in general.  They still deliver rotten messages.

> Maybe not all movies are designed to teach the great and wonderful lesson.
> Let's see if we can sum up your evaluation of movies so far and how they
> are corrupting the values of all of us :
> 
> Ladyhawke :  During daylight, she's a hawk and he's human, at night
> he's a wolf and she's human, and they're in love with each other.  This
> one is obviuosly a story about bestiality.... Very corrupting.
> 

Are you saying I said this about Ladyhawke?  I never did.  If it's
supposed to be your extrapolation of how I summarized the other
movies, you're exaggerating, overreacting, and being very cynical.

> Green Card : He's a lout and the plot's wat too obvious that they're going
> to fall in love.  Speaks for itself (BTW : In case you hadn't noticed,
> most movie love plots are fairly obvious how they will turn out... Something
> about happy endings ??)
> 

I did criticize this movie.  I was going to point out, though I forgot,
that at least it had the guts not to pull a weird twist at the end so
that he got to stay.  I also didn't point out that the people who made
it didn't study the INS procedures very well.

> Princess Bride :  The characters are one-dimensional, people are popping
> pills which make them "alive" (obvious drug reference), woman gets
> fought over by two men, piracy, killing, mutants and a rather monotonous
> Spaniard.  All definitely bad role models.
> 

The only critique I made of the movie was that she didn't remember him
when he came back.  Otherwise, I quite enjoyed it.  I really take exception
to you making up stuff I'm supposed to have said.

> You failed to criticize Don't Tell Her Its Me.... Didn't see it ?? Allow
> me to fill you in.  Man pretends to be somebody else in order to win girl's
> heart, she finds out and rather than killing the poor schmuck, they eventually
> fall in love.  Teaches people to be different people in order to impress women.

No, I didn't see it.  If the plot summary is accurate, the conclusion seems
reasonable.



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