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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Dealer
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Summary: Keep your bike!
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:58:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.145033.27486@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz) writes:
>
>>3.  I bought a Kryptonite cable lock in addition to the fork lock.
>>    Pain in the ass to put on but coils great (fits nicely into the
>>    saddlebag) and gives great peace of mind.
>
>I'd suggest taking a look at the Maxim cable locks. I've got one of
>each, and the Maxim is MUCH easier to deal than the Kryptonite, which
>seems to require a minimum of 3 hands to lock or unlock. The Maxim cable
>is thicker than the Kryptonite too. The downside to the Maxim is that it's
>harder to stow on the bike because it does not like to coil up. A double
>loop about 1.5-2 feet in diameter is about the best you can do.

	I have a 3/4"x6' Cobralinks lock.  Coils up about as small as Blaine's
Maxim lock, but is a bit heavier.  Construction is seven strands of steel
cable inside a hardened steel sheath that is supposed to be several grades
harder than bolt cutters or hacksaw blades.  Has a "round" lock and key
instead of like your car door (sorry, I forgot the real name of that type of
lock).  I don't know how it holds up to the freeze-and-break treatment or to
the blue-point hammer, but it looks damn sturdy and is intimidating to a friend
of mine who opens locks as a hobby.  Cost about $140 and gives me GREAT piece
of mind.

My $.02,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: DHANSEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: New '93 Dyna Glides
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:11:03 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

>First, there will be a new Wide Glide based on the Dyna Glide frame.
>This may be a limited edition, since they are calling it a 90th
>Anniversary model. It's styled like the original FXWG, but doesn't
>have the flame paint job. Hog Tales had a picture of it.

The Wide Glide is available in 2 tone red & agua/silver as well as the
90th paint.  I'd guess it'll stay in the line-up for a while.

>They also mentioned a Dyna Glide Low Rider. No picture, and no mention
>of whether the existing Low Rider frame will be phased out. I'm not
>sure just how this bike would differ from the Dyna Glide Custom,
>which seems pretty Low-Riderish to me.

I've already seen the FXDL at my local dealer.  The FXRS has been dropped
for 93, but the FXRS-SP, FXRS-CONV & FXLR are still available for 93.
The FXRT has also been dropped.

>They also said that the touring models have had the oil tank relocated
>under the tranny as on the Dyna Glides, but apparently they are not
>actually using the Dyna Glide frame yet.

You're right, they still use the same frame, but went with the Dyna oil
bag, moved the battery under the seat & made the 'glass bags bigger
(don't have to have the right bag wrap around the battery).

    Dave Hansen
    '91 FXRS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Springer front
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:18:38 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: rec
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Aug26.150724.9195@news.csd.sgi.com>, woofy@sgi.com
(Wolfchild) wrote:
> 
[deletions...] 
> For those of you with older springers; how do they differ from the front end on
> the softtail? 

	Differ?  Like night and day.  Mine which is stone stock '46 on a
	stock rigid frame is very short, has no brakes, no shock absorber,
	is black paint, not chrome, the light is higher on the stack,
	the brakes suck and alwayshave and it's just plain cooler ;-)

john ('56 FLH Chop!)
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: somebody 'splain please
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:28:36 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

In article <2305@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>would someone explain to me what all the different Harley designations are
>and what aspect of the bike qualifies it as such?
>

In general as a prefix, 'F' designates a big twin, and 'X' designates
sportster.  The FX is a big twin with a sportster front end, (narrow
forks, small headlight).  The FL is a big twin with the fat front end.

FXST is an FX with a Soft Tail rear, (looks like a hard tail).  FXSTS
is the soft tail springer.  FXR is an FX after around 1980 or so.
FXRT is a touring FX (like the police bikes, hard luggage).  FXRS is
the sport version of the FXR (stiffer suspension, low bars).

FLST is an FL with a soft tail (Heritage Soft Tail).  FLSTF is a Fat
Boy and now you know that it has a fat front end with a soft tail rear
suspension.  

FLH designates the touring models (fairings and luggage).

XLCR and XLCH are sportsters, with the CR being more race oriented and
the CH more touring oriented.

The Evolution engine started in 1980 on the big twins and 1984 on the
sportsters.  (this is from memory so correct me if I'm wrong).  The
engine prior the evo is called the shovelhead.  Prior to that was the
panhead (Peter Fonda's in Easy Rider), then the knucklehead, then the
flathead which is a side valve engine.

I got all this information from a book called "The Illustrated Harley
Davidson Buyers Guide" by Alan Girdler, which I highly reccommend.

--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: somebody 'splain please
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:35:43 GMT

In article <Aug.27.10.28.35.1992.5180@presto.ig.com> steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse) writes:
+The Evolution engine started in 1980 on the big twins and 1984 on the
+sportsters.  (this is from memory so correct me if I'm wrong).  

1984-1/2 on the Big Twins; 1986 on the Sporty.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts)
Subject: Re: Testriding
Organization: Technology Modeling and Analysis, LANL-A7
	<1992Sep3.133446.10390@cs.brown.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:47:23 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.133446.10390@cs.brown.edu> jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum) writes:

> Around here you can take a Harley for a test ride.  Christsakes, how
> could they expect a person to spend thousands of dollars on a machine
> they have never tried.  In my case, I had to sign a waiver that said
> it i broke my head (or any other part of my body), I wouldn't sue.
> I also had to produce valid M/C license, boots, helmet.  no problem.
> I bought the bike.
> 
Ditto Chicks Harley in Albuquerque. It's the only way to sell a bike...
(Didn't buy the bike, though. But I will next year.)

--Doug
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Need info on locking Gas Caps
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:17:31 GMT

In article <17tecvINNe82@SCORPIO.CF.CS.YALE.EDU> cascella-suzanne@cs.yale.edu (Suzanne Cascella) writes:
+
+This may sound funny, but the gas cap from my Sporty fit on my '86 Dodge Charger.

It doesn't sound funny to me.  Harley is interested in keeping their
costs down and what better way to do it than using existing automotive
stuff.  That is why their plugs are auto plugs for the Big Twin and
existing mc plugs for the sporty... so they don't have to get a
company to re-tool for them.  Gas caps & the things that they screw
into are found in cars, so it is in their interest in using a car
one rather than re-inventing one.

____________________________________________________________________________
	You're never too old to become younger -- Mae West
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            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: eajjs@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.sottile)
Subject: Re: Heritage Softail
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:16:02 GMT

In article <carlp.715124461@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>eajjs@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.sottile) writes:
>
>>I recently went through the motorcycle blues looking for something to ride.
>>I was looking for a touring bike and, after only 2 real choices, the
>>Dresser and the GoldWing, I decided on the GoldWing.  What the Dresser
>>DID do for me was to make me realize that, in addition to a touring bike,
>>I REALLY need a harley (and how).
>Um, I never really considered the Heritage Softail a "dresser".  That
>term, to me, always meant the Electra Glide series: fairing as opposed
>to windshield, hard saddlebags, tunable and effective suspension, etc.
>as well as the "dress up" items & chrome doo-dads.
>
>The 1992 Heritage Softail Classic MSRP was $12,145


The "dresser" I was referring to was the Electra Glide.  When I was at the
dealership, I saw the Heritage and that's what I really fell in love with.

There was a dealership in Kansas that was selling them for $9500 during the
winter.  Looks as if that was an incredible deal.  Perhaps another
trip to Kansas is in order :-)


=============================
John Sottile                             "That Guy has to Oil his Brakes!"
AT&T Bell Labs                           #include <std/disclaimer/who-me?.h>
jjs@cblph.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Dealer
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:03:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.135836.13697@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes:
>	I have a 3/4"x6' Cobralinks lock.  Coils up about as small as Blaine's
>Maxim lock, but is a bit heavier.  Construction is seven strands of steel
>cable inside a hardened steel sheath that is supposed to be several grades
>harder than bolt cutters or hacksaw blades.  Has a "round" lock and key
>instead of like your car door (sorry, I forgot the real name of that type of
>lock).  I don't know how it holds up to the freeze-and-break treatment or to
>the blue-point hammer,but it looks damn sturdy and is intimidating to a friend
>of mine who opens locks as a hobby.  Cost about $140 and gives me GREAT piece
>of mind.
>My $.02,

	My $.02. A friend who parked his Japanese Racer in the same
garage as I did had his bike stolen while being protected by the said
Cobra-lock. It didn't hold up well at all to the freeze-and-break
method. Broke the sheath segement into four pieces. The cable strand
inside is only 1/4" thick. Not meaning to burst bubbles here. My vote
is for the Krypt Cable or the YamaLok.

>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?

Tony Wang

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: badger@wixer.cactus.org (Badger)
Subject: Some questions from a complete neophyte
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 22:43:07 GMT

First, I have a growing desire over the last few years to own a Harley. I want
a highway touring bike. If I'm starting to read the jargon right, and correct
me if I'm wrong <that's one of the reasons I'm writing this>, then I want a
"Big Twin" with "full dress", wide front end, big tank, bags and faring. I
don't want a Sporster, but I probably do want a rubber mount engine and a
Softtail rather than a Hardtail, right? What model designations are in the
ballpark? I downloaded the list of model designations that someone posted,but
they're still mostly letters to me.

Second, Should I buy New, or Used? What should I look out for if I'm buying
a used Harley? Should I buy from individuals or dealers with used bikes? If
I buy new, what is the general reputation of Harley dealers? Are they just
out to make a buck, like almost all new car dealers, or are they interested
in getting someone, like me, who doesn't know much, a bike that will be what
they want? In either case, what kind of prices am I looking at, new and used,
for bikes that satisfy the description above?

Third, how pervasive is the 'lifestyle'? All that I know about what goes with
owning and riding a Harley-Davidson is stereotype and urban-legend. What, if
any, kind of grief am I likely to suffer just because I'm riding a Harley,
especially since I fit the physical stereotype, long hair, beard, overweight?
What would happen if I actually waved at someone riding a japanese produced
bike? Would he faint dead away? Would the Harley rider coming the other way
feel inclined to 'correct' my ettiquette? I'm not trying to start a flame,
and I really hope I don't, I'm looking for information, and I thought this
would be a very good place to get some. I also realize that what I'm going
to get, especially on this third part, are generalizations, but, hey...
gotta start somewhere!

 

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: My first Harley
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:47:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.142505.10730@access.digex.com>, corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
> I'm looking at three different models, the 883 Hugger, the FXR Super Glide,
> and the FXDWG Dyna Wide Glide. These are my choices for the simple reason
> that they have a short inseam, and so do I. I like my feet to touch the ground
> when I come to a stop.

I'd go for the FXR.  The 883 is too small and the FXDWG has that new Dyna
Glide frame.  The only thing I like about the new Dyna-Glides is the trick
(black) cross-over between the exhaust pipes.

> I'm particularly interested in regular maintenance. What, and how often (gas
> I know). The exotic oil types for the BSA used to screw me up all the time,
> but I was also much younger and didn't understand mechanics as well.

I bring my '91 FXSTC to the dealer every 5000 miles and let them do it
all (I'm too lazy to do it myself and they only charge $28/hr).  Between
5000 mile visits, I change the oil and filter every 1600-1700 miles.  The
oil change takes 10 minutes and costs about $15.  The dealer trips cost
about $120 for 5000 miles and a little more for 10000 miles (fork oil,
wheel bearings, etc.).
 
> I also may be taking it on long rides, four to six hours duration. The guy
> at the dealership steered me away from the Hugger. He did point me to the
> Soft Tail, but I'm not sure I like the rear shock arrangement. Also, I think
> I really like the idea of the rubber mounted engine. A long haul can be a
> real kidney buster on a frame mount, or so I'm told.

After you have your Harley for a while you'll realize that four to six
hour trips are short hops.  I regularly do 200-300 mile days on my Softail
and have done a bunch of 1200-1500 mile weekends.  The longest single day 
was 640 miles from Boone, NC to NJ (mostly in the rain).  I still rode to
work the next day.

- Roid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: apropos: Harley means...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:00:27 GMT

In article <carlp.715123941@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:

|-) Dyna-Glide chassis.  This is certainly new HD, maybe you consider
|   it "style" instead of technologial improvement, but 'tain't so.

I have a question about the Dyna-Glide chassis.  What exactly is different
about it, and what does the new technology accomplish?  Stiffness, engine
isolation, marketing?  What?  (All the mags I read rave about it, but they
only say "better", not how much better, or why better.)

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Springer front
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:10:28 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	If new HD springers are going for $1,800, then it's
	time to raise the price of pristine originals.  Thanks
	for the info.  

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Testriding
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:34:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.194530.20073@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>I don't know where YOU live, Ed, but most places in the
>country won't allow someone unknown to walk in
>with a license and helmet and ride a bike out, without
>a significant outlay of cash.  Most places do not even keep
>the floor bikes wet (ready to run).
>
 
Around here you can take a Harley for a test ride.  Christsakes, how
could they expect a person to spend thousands of dollars on a machine
they have never tried.  In my case, I had to sign a waiver that said
it i broke my head (or any other part of my body), I wouldn't sue.
I also had to produce valid M/C license, boots, helmet.  no problem.
I bought the bike.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Testriding
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:57:24

"svoboda" == David Svoboda <svoboda@rtsg.mot.com> writes:

svoboda> I yearn for the unfortunately past days when you could ride
svoboda> up to any neighborhood bike shop, drool over one of the
svoboda> showroom bikes, and the dealer would walk up and offer you a
svoboda> ride on it.

Cal BMW here in Mountain View did this with me.  On my second visit, I
was offered a test ride on two of the bikes I was interested in.  (The
third was being sold on consignment, so no ride.  Then again, K1's
*do* cost a bit to fix when dropped.)

I also signed a quite legal-looking agreement that said I was
*completely* liable for the *list price* of the bike, and that the
dealer was not responsible for any injury, etc etc etc.  I'd be
surprised if it didn't hold up in court...
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: kbr@cbnews.cb.att.com (kenneth.b.reber)
Subject: Sturges; antique HD's
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:10:52 GMT


I've been a collector of antique cars for 35 years and now have an
interest in old Harleys.  I need to come up to speed on their history/hobby -
when were that introduced, older models, value, parts sources, etc, etc.  Any
suggestions?

Why am I interested in Harleys when I've never been on a motorcycle?  I
was in Sturges several weeks ago!!  Any other netters there?

Ken
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: apropos: Harley means...
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:30:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: MSUS

The attempts to ELIMINATE postings which relate to bikes
other than Harleys will fail.  Period.  History will show
you, for example, that other newsgroups have the same
problem.  For example, soc.women, alt.feminism and
soc.feminism have as many men as women (often more
men than women) posting.  Why?  Many reasons including
egomania, territoriality, narcisism and concern.

My two bits worth:  (First, I do ride a Harley and have
for the last 14 years of my 28 years of riding.)  When
isolated, the _current_ Harley Davidson Motorcycle company
invites ridicule.  Consider its marketing: stamp Harley
on anything that doesn't move and call it an accessory
and 'lifestyle' goodie.  Let's not forget the fake tatoos,
too.  All Harley certified.  That shit is nothing but
lowlife, teenybopper, wannabe and yuppie bait.  It has nothing
to do with motorcycling.  Consider, too that Harley has not
introduced one significant technological improvement to
the machine since it became HD after AMF.  Styles?  Yes,
but that's marketing technology, not improvement.  Further,
I'll wager that every year American made parts become
fewer and fewer.  Harley Davidson today has become its own
parody.  It damn well deserves the Easy Rider and other
lifestyle portrayals because it capitalizes upon it.  I will
not buy anything made by Harley until that company demonstrates
commitment to maturity as evinced by more American parts, 
new technology, less hype and a complete disinfranchisement
from the idiotic lifestyle jamboree.  In short, fuck Harley.

That does not mean that this group has no meaning and that
new Harleys have no place here.  It does mean that there will
be no end of fights concerning what is and what is not
appropriate to be discussed here.  Cope?  Filter the topics
and body, that's all I can suggest.  I'm hanging around for
a little longer just to see how it goes.

Usenet ain't real life, after all.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: hd non-cruisers
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:49:56


Some thoughts on the future of HD bikes...

When I bought my first bike ('91 CB750) I went shopping around to see
what I could buy for 4-5K.  I looked at the sportsters until I
discovered the miniscule gas-tanks.

So now I'm buying another bike (better job, better bike :-).  I looked
pretty much at two bikes: low rider sport and BMW R100R.   I've
decided to go with the R100R because the low rider sport, as much as I
like it, is still a cruiser at heart.  

Has HD *ever* made anything other than cruiser-based bikes (or those wierdo
flat-track racers, etc)?  I think Buell has a great idea --
all-american sport bike, but like HD's, it's a bit pricey.

%40 of HD's business is outside the US, so it would seem that they
aren't being hurt too terribly much by the us economy (I dunno if that
includes HD-embazoned material).  Where is all the money they charge
for their bikes going?  R&D?  Corporate salaries?  Legal machinations?
The sportster and my CB750 aren't *too* far apart in terms of amount
of metal and technical neat-o-ness.  (Although the CB750 does have
hydraulic lifters, which means the engine doesn't get opened up *at
all* until 18K miles.)  Yet the stripped-sportster costs more.

Maybe HD's net profits are lower than that of other makers?  

BMW is similar to HD in many ways: limited selection of bikes, old
technology updated to the 90s, etc.  However, BMW has *slowly* started
migrating to new technology (K-bikes, paralever, wasserboxen).
Perhaps it's time for HD to do the same? 

[This is pretty mundane, but I'm sure it's going to be flame-bait for
some moron or another. ;-]

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead