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From: 92mdb@vax.cc.williams.edu (Hayduke lives!)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.motss,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties,soc.culture.african.american,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax.13APR199216560130
Distribution: na
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Apr13.163901.10330@bradley.bradley.edu>, dragon@buhub.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes...
>.... followed the section in which the original poster said that in
>the course of the counter-demonstration, the protesters would attempt
>to drown out any KKK speakers.  That is using their First Amendment
>freedoms to deny those same freedoms to others.  And *that* is wrong.
>Like it or not, the KKK does have a right to be heard.

The first amendment says the *congress* shall pass no law infringing on
the rights of free speech.  This is not about congress.  This is about
interactions of people with people.  I have to agree that to yell and 
scream is not an infringment of the the first amendment.  It is, however,
rude and obnoxious.  But keep in mind that there are no laws that prevent
people from being rude; you have every right to yell and shout others down.

The problem is exactly what others have said--this is not particularly
constructive, and it leads to violent confrontations and may make the
Klan look good to those who are thinking of joining (the lunatic fringe).
The best suggestion is the one of total laughter.  Except be careful. If
they tell a racist joke, you might consider dead silence.

>********Matt Korth***************************dragon@buhub.bradley.edu********

--Michael Bruce
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From: robinson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Jerry Brown on Animal Rights
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:47:38 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr3.052620.8088@beach.csulb.edu>, bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong) writes:
> 
[...stuff deleted...]
> 
> I support legislation that would put an end to the use of narrow
> wood crates for raising veal calves, "steel-jaw", leghold traps
> for hunting and the use of animals for cosmetic testing.

Ahhh.....ignorance thy name is politician.  No one uses leghold traps for 
hunting.  They're used, in some cases, for trapping.  Trapping <> hunting.

[...more deleted...]
> 
> As Governor of California, I passed numerous animal welfare
> bills: endangered species received 3.5 million dollars for
> habitats; the maximum punishment for the sale or purchase of
> bear meat or parts was increased; the moratorium on trophy
> hunting of mountain Lions was extended.

The lion moratorium has had disasterous effects.  It was initially somewhat 
useful, but now as I understand it the lions have exceeded the carrying 
capacity of their range and are in the process of redefining certain key 
concepts, like food.  They're starting to think of those pale, bipeds as 
walking meals....generally not a good trend.

Say what you like about Regan, when he left the State of Ca. there was 
approximately a $5,000,000 surplus in the treasury.  Then, in came JB and 
WHAM the word deficit became a household term.

> 
> As President, I will work to ensure better treatment of our
> animals.  

As President, he will also probably bankrupt the nation.  At this point, it 
wouldn't be hard to do.

> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Jerry Brown
-- 
John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
DOD #0069
From: bmasel@igc.org (Ben Masel)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: POTHEAD'S MESSAGE TO CLINTON
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: igc.1296500171
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500171:000:978
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Apr  7 23:14:00 1992


IT'S OK, I DIDN'T INHALE

I 've just returned from the Clinton victory party here in
Madison.

Arrived sort of late, missed the TV crews, but the stunt was still
interesting. Lit up a joint and all the suits fled the room.
Couple of the younger Clinton fans and the volunteer coordinator
stuck around to hear a message I hope will be delivered. Told them
unless Bill admits he enjoyed the pot he didn't inhale, we will
collect the 2,000 signatures to put Jack Herer on the Wisconsin
Ballot as a Grassroots Party candidate for President in November.
Reminded them I had recieved 13,000 votes in my Republican primary
race for Governor in 1990, and that those 13,000 could be their
margin of victory or defeat in this state in November.

This stunt is repeatable. Show up at his HQ or a local function
carrying only 1 joint. Fire it up, blow some smoke around the
room. Say "It's OK, I didn't inhale." Leave a printed message.
Post an account to talk.pol.drugs.

Enjoy, Ben Masel
From: dolin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (jonathan dolin)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: RESOURCE: Vegetarianism,Animal Rights,Ecology,World Hunger,Rainforests
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:10:10 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.000242.1433@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <9204030726.AA02510@tba.msi.cornell.edu> by harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai):
>
>> "I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will
>> come when men will look upon the murder of animals as they now look
>> upon the murder of men." -- Leonardo Da Vinci
>
>Yeah, but he did have his moments of lucid thought as well.... :)
>
>> "To be a vegetarian is to disagree -- to disagree with the course of
>> things today. Nuclear power, starvation, cruelty -- we must make a
>> statement against these thigns. Vegetarianism is my statement. And I
>> think it is a strong one." -- Isaac Bashevis Singer
>
>My statement is bulgogi.
>
>> "Good Eating -- The Vegetarian Alternative"
>
>My alternative is prime rib.
>
>> * Animal Rights ("How many animals are killed each year to provide
>> meat for our dinner table?" ; "What are slaughterhouses like? How do
>
>Not enough! :)
>
>> prior to being killed in the slaughterhouse? How is livestock
>> raised?" ; "Where do veal calves come from?"
>
>Hint:  a bull and a heiffer....
>
>> * Ecology etc ("In what respects is meat eating unecological?" ; "Why
>> are environmentalists boycotting fast food hamburger chains?")
>
>Too much time on their hands.

I offer this article as proof that this newsgroup should go closed-mailing
list. There are hundreds of newsgroups on the net, and yet, somehow,
asshole provocateurs like this cannot resist invading and despoiling
newsgroups not intended for them.

jd.
dolin@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: abreur@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: SOAPBOX Seeks Submissions - Submit!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:52:00 GMT


        The new and much ballyhooed journal of insight, SOAPBOX, is looking for
contributors!

        Essays, poetry, artwork, short fiction, and avant-garde material of
most
 any nature will be considered. Length of submissions should be dictated by the
subject matter. If you have something exceptional to say, we'll find the space 
for you to say it. On the other hand, exceptionally short pieces are easier to 
work with, and are thus greatly appreciated.
        Soapbox's "slant" is largely dependent on the submissions we receive 
from people like you. We're committed to a "fast and loose" editorial policy 
here at Soapbox HQ, so _please_ feel free to experiment.
        You can e-mail submissions to me (abreur@woods.ulowell.edu), or you can
use snail mail:

        Soapbox
        124 Walker St.
        Lowell, Ma 01854

        Please don't send originals, as the brains behind this publication are
prone to spilling coffee on anything clean. If you desperately need a
submission
returned, send a SASE along with it. 
        We hope to have voices from all over this wacky world in this mag, so
we look look forward to hearing from you. Thanks.
							-Richard AJ Abreu
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From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:45:30 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <4502@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk>, martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman) writes:
>In article <gc0wiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
>> 
>[Plausible bollocks deleted]
>
>2 Questions:
>
>1)
>>  
>> <                   $50,000.00 OFFER
>>  
>> < There is a standing offer of $50,000.00 to one who
>> < can prove or arrange any one of the following:
>>  
>Who EXACTLY is making this offer (name, address etc)?

In the past the offer was made the the IHR, the 'Institue for the
Historical Review'.  They refused to pay and were sued for a variety
of torts. The lost and had to pay $50,000 plus additional costs, and
offer an apology. I have the court documents if you want them.  Most of
the 'finished' articles that come from the people at B-CPU are
taken from the IHR newsletter.

The people who post this refuse to give details, probably because 
of the last court case.  They have never answered any questions
concerning name, address, etc.  

>2) If any of this nauseous offal is true, especially:
>
>> UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!!

No, there is no such thing as the "Zionist Thought Police", and their
connection has never been eliminated.  But since their activities
border on the illegal, they might be in the future.

>how come the awesome zionist machine hasn't managed to even squash a
>little turd such as yourself.

Don't ask for any answers to logical questions from these people.
They can't handle them.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: AGRAN Exclusion -- BROWN Hypocrisy
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:37:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9204060447.AA05311@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:



+>       A member of the media finally pinned down Jerry Brown on Larry
+>Agran's exclusion from the political process.  You know what Brown said?
+>       "Why doesn't he get a group of people and have an event?"
+>       (THe Burlington Free Press, 3/30/92)
+>       You can just bet that if Jerry Brown was being excluded, he wouldn't
+>be hollering for "separate but equal" candidate forums.  He's the biggest
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+>hypocrite of any candidate in any party this year.

	Notice the wonderful language.  Agran and his supporters have this
thing about comparing his not being invited in "terms" that evoke  past
battles against racism or segregation. 

	What Brown was saying is that the way candidates usually build 
themselves up is through "solo" events.  The way you get into the media
spotlight is to give them something to cover.....attempting to force himself
into debates and forums is not going to get him anywhere.  It does advance
his longstanding campaign to force himself into the national spotlight
by playing the victim.

	Agran is a tiny little mayor of an insignificant city with a tiny
sliver of support.  



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From: brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian)
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS *NOT* being denied "free speech"
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:22:04 GMT

mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>Personally, I like most of the population to be ignorant and not to vote.
>That means my vote counts more. I don't have to worry about ignorant
>"pull the party lever" voters coming out in droves that way.

	Wow!  Such an elitist attitude.  I seem to remember reading somewhere
that Lenin held a similar view during the 1917 elections......



--
Brian Ross__________________________________________________________________
	"If it is dangerous to suppose that government is always right, it
will sooner or later be awkward for public administration if most people
suppose that it is always wrong."______________________________J.K.Galbraith
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: The World
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:52:18 GMT


From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
>>      The media's use of the Laugh Track is to destroy our
>> morals, ethics (including work ethic), educational system and
>> family unit.  Theft, drugs, prostitution, rape and murder
>> (anything illicit) rate laughs, including incest.
>
>   Is this guy _serious_??????

As serious as Hannibal Leuchter, but without the cunning or
following...


--
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:02:28 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr9.141507.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>In article <4605@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>, jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>>> } Anyone for an "Impeach Thomas" movement?
>>> Why?  He voted to throw the case out.
>> 
>> Impeach him anyway.
>> --
>Ya know, the guy is a fucking punk, but no more so than Scalia, et al.  Hell,
>Rehnquist, during the 60s, would go and taunt black who were registering to
>vote.  It scares me that this black man is being attacked with a derision that
>is unparalleled vis-a-vis other justices, especially when they are at least
>as bad.  This same kind of thing occurred at the Reproductive Rights march
>last week.  I saw a sign that said "Clarence Thomas, Keep your Horny hands
>of Roe v. Wade."  Obviously, this is racist to the exten that it brings up
>the myth about wild black male sexuality that was used to justify
>lynchings.  BTW, I don't like Thomas, and I think it's a disgrace that
>he (along with 7 others) upheld beatings of prisoners in jail, along
>with other heinous descisions.  But, I ground my analysis in the recognition
>of how tokenism, co-optation, and division function in an oppressive society.
>

A minor correction but the case of prisoners rights was a 7 to two 
majority saying that the prisoners rights were violated. Thomas and
his buddy Scalia were the two dissents.  So far, Thomas & Scalia have
only disagreed on two cases -- the recent one being the Porn case in
which Thomas was in the majority to throw the case.




   >-- 
>
>Jason
>
>   "Uhhh...Uhhh..Uhhh..I...Uhhh...Would...Uhhh...like to recognize...uuhhh...
>    speaking of director's....uuh...John Singleton and Matty Rich...(...)people
>    who bring new lifeblood to this industry."
>       ---Jonathon Demme, stammering to a damn good point at the Oscar's.
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: AGRAN Exclusion -- BROWN Hypocrisy
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:56:47 GMT


In an earlier post on this thread demon@desire.wright.edu
(Stupendous Man) who sighs his post "Brett" states that
Lyndon LaRouche was not railroaded but was "convicted of
credit card fraud". He suggests we ask nay of the thousands
of people who saw small monthly credit card donations become
large ones. 

The facts are a little different. LaRouche was not accused
of making false charges on peoples cards. He was accused
of conspiring with several of his fund raisers to solicit loans
which were not repaid. In fact, they were not repaid because
the government illegally forced several LaRouche related
publishing companies into involuntary bankruptcy. To read
the whole sordid story, check out my repost of the 40K
Larouche trial fact sheet. I will poat it as "LaRouche
Trial Fact Sheet - 40K (repost)"

Anybody who has read it before, feel free to skip it this time
around.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Celebrating National Meatout Day
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 03:06:29 GMT

ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:

>what gives you the right to eat meat

The right to self-sufficiency.

>"if you can live without meat, why not give it a try?"

I enjoy the flavor of meat. I don't want to discontinue ingesting meat.

>more statistics on resource depletion can be obtained from like 
>sources.

Has anyone done a study as to the amount of cow shit which would be lost 
as fertilizer if nobody wanted cows?

>my life *
>is* a bitch, because when i see suffering, it pains me enough that i decide 
>that i must do something about it.

Why not take some arsenic and end it all now? That way you won't have to
endure watching all this suffering you claim to see.

MD
-- 
--  Michael P. Deignan                      / 
--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /   I'm not a bigot,
--    UUCP: ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd  /    I hate everyone.
-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              / 
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.motss,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberties
Subject: Help stop the KKK
From: schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:16:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati

**-------------------------------------------------------------------------**
**                                                                         **
**                    THE  KKK  ARE  COMING  TO CINCINNATI                 **
**                                                                         **
**   - On May 2 (Permit reads Noon)   The KKK is planning a rally in       **
**         downtown Cincinnati.                                            **
**                                                                         **
**   - On University of Cinncinati campus, we have started organizing a    **
**         counter-demonstration.  The general idea is for it to be        **
**         confrontational but not violent.                                **
**                                                                         **
**   - We hope to mass enough people to drown out any speeches, and def-   **
**         eat any recruiting efforts the Klan will make.                  **
**                                                                         **
**   - Obviously, everyone going has a different idea about how to express **
**         anti-racist convictions.                                        **
**                                                                         **
**   - ACT ON YOUR CONVICTIONS.  For more info, contact me;                **
**                                                                         **
**         Robb Shecter, Outreach Committee,     schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu **
**                                               P.O. Box 19671            **
**                                               Cincinnati, OH 45219      **
**-------------------------------------------------------------------------**
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From: kenh@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ken Hudson)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Justice Thomas (was Socialism Security Rides Again)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:51:32 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Apr9.141507.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>
jyanowitz@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
 
>
>In article <4605@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>, jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>>> } Anyone for an "Impeach Thomas" movement?
>>> Why?  He voted to throw the case out.
>>
>> Impeach him anyway.
>> --
>Ya know, the guy is a fucking punk, but no more so than Scalia, et al.  Hell,
>Rehnquist, during the 60s, would go and taunt black who were registering to
>vote.  It scares me that this black man is being attacked with a derision that
>is unparalleled vis-a-vis other justices, especially when they are at least
>as bad.  This same kind of thing occurred at the Reproductive Rights march
>[...rest deleted...]
 
The main reason Thomas is attacked is because he was the first nominee
to be qualified only in name...Unlike the others, he was not a long time
scholar or Judge, and was clearly groomed to be a political conservative
appointee to the court...In this sense he comes off as a political
lackey, not a first rate Judicial mind...I wonder who is really racist
here...If he were white and appointed under the same circumstances he
would make an appropriate target:  why do YOU distinguish between the
two?  Color of skin, it would appear.
 
An arch-conservative Black Justice who had been on the bench for years
(i.e. earned his stripes) would NOT be ridiculed in this manner...
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:26:46 GMT

I'm thinking of writing a letter that goes something like this...

-----

"Dear <President of Intel>,

  You may be interested to know that a computer at your company,
called intelhf, is being used to forward messages from the neo-nazi
bulletin board "b-cpu" onto the wider computer network known as
"usenet".  I have contacted the operator of this computer and
expressed my disgust at these messages, but he has declined to prevent
the use of the Intel corporation's computer for this purpose.

  I am sure you will agree that the propagation of neo-nazi hate
literature using Intel corporate resources is against the best
interests of your corporation and its shareholders.  I hope you will
take action to terminate this misuse of resources."

-----

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu


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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Celebrating National Meatout Day
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:40:46 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:
>if you'd "prefer that the 'food animals' (sic) suffer(ed) as little as 
>possible", isn't it somewhat hypocritical to be eating the animal flesh of 
>animals that were raised on factory farms, which is somewhere between 80 
>and 90 percent of the farms in the U.S. today.

No.  You mistake the difference between "prefer" and "really care."


>sleep over the issue, but you'll probably lose a couple of years off of 
>your life.  

That's a risk I'll just have to take.  My grandfather, a dedicated
steak eater, lived till 96.  It's going to affect different people
differently. 
-- 
Girl, bathing on Bikini, eying boy, finds boy eying bikini on bathing girl.
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