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From: max@underg.uucp (Max Cray)
Subject: Re: questions about EFF
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation
Submitted-By: max@underg.uucp (Max Cray)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:22:43 GMT

uunet!tic.com!jsq (John Quarterman) writes:

> In article <1992Aug25.144807.19526@tic.com> max@underg.uucp (Max Cray) writes
> >
> >I am not sure but I think all you get from National is the newsletter
> >that they send out, and from the local EFF chapter you get nothing.
> 
> You just got a Cyberdawg....  You get another one every other month.
> Months in between, you get a meeting with a speaker.

Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer. I was trying to answer Shiela's
question, and I wanted her to be clear on that as far as I know one
does not get anything materially from paying the mebership fee. I was hoping
that the rest of my post explained that I believed the rewards from joining
an organization like the EFF come from the assosiation of those who support
the same cause as you, and not what you get materially. It was not meant to
be a complaint in any way.
 
> Cyberdawgs are traditionally open to anyone who walks in.  We're still
> working out exactly what the membership fee does pay for.

Of course we could give out EFF T-Shirts, mebership cards, and free copies
of the latest version of the PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) encryption program,
etc. But then someone would have to manage all that, and probably the
membership fee would go up, so I vote no.

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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:16:55 GMT

 >         Could someone send one of those Infodisks up here for me
 > to take a look at?  I'm curious as to what is on it.  "National"
 > also disks that we were giving out at ONE BBSCon (DD, zipped
 > IBM, sea Mac).
 > 
 >         "If you show me yours, I'll show you mine."
 
With an offer like that, how can we refuse?  I'll send one up to Cambridge, 
Rita.
 
 > PS.  I have on my desk right now the prototype membership card.
 > It looks dynamite.  You should all have yours in a couple weeks.
 
Neat. Somthing to flash at people when we go out spreading the word.
 
Ed


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: Media relations
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:59:48 GMT

The press release which announces our official formation would be THE
ideal platform from which to discuss what the EFF is and is not.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: Here's the word on the SNEAKERS movie screening.
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:01:51 GMT

It will be Thursday, September 3, probably at 7:30 but watch this space
(or the movie ads in the paper) for details, at the Lincoln Theater.
I have no clue where that is, but I get the paper too :-)
	This will be a regular screening of the movie - there will be
paying customers there - but Universal has given us 175 tickets. Here's
how they want us to do it: I will be there about 30 minutes early and
give the theater a list of names. This is our pass list. Nobody has to
pick up physical tickets. Just go to the box office and give them
your name - we will alphabetize it to make it move fast.
	To get on the pass list, call my office - 447-7866 - and ask
for Dana, who is my assistant. All you need to give her is your name.
Specify one or two tickets; it is understood that any EFF member *can*
bring a friend, but since not everybody will want two tickets, we
will give the option of taking only one to avoid waste.
	If you have already left me e-mail with a phone number, Dana
will *try* to call you to confirm that you can make the date and time.
You can make her life easier by calling her first.
	When you call, call during "late business hours" - she gets in
at 9 and leaves between 5:30 and 6 most days. If you must leave her a
message, make it a VERY CLEAR one to avoid foulups.
	Please DO NOT repost this announcement to Austin BBSs until 
August 30th. We - and Universal - want Austin EFF members and 
correspondents to have first crack at the tickets. After August 30th,
feel free to repost so that every one of those tickets gets used by
SOMEBODY from the Net.
	Please do NOT leave e-mail to me asking to be on the pass list
unless you CANNOT reach Dana. I will make every effort to read my 
e-mail for the next couple of days, but I'm terribly overcommitted right
now and Things Happen. If you *must* leave your request by e-mail,
please DON'T do what several people did and quote my whole letter back
at me . . . just say "Steve, my name is Whatever, and I'd like [1,2]
passes for September 3." That way, I know that you are replying to 
THIS message and you're aware of the dates. Thanks.
	Sorry for such a long post for such a simple affair, but it
ought to be fun and I want to get it right even on this short notice.
See you there!


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: questions about EFF
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Submitted-By: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:18:46 GMT

According to the Effector I picked up at Cyberdawg, student memberships go for
$20, and regular memberships go for $40.  There's also a box/line for writing
in your own additional donation amount.  I must say that the membership form
one of the best I've seen, with slots for alternate phone numbers, including
FAX.

The above rates are for EFF-National.  Membership rates for EFF-Austin are
$5 for students & $10 for regular.



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: parish@cactus.org (Tom Parish)
Subject: Re: Clinton campaign statement
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: parish@cactus.org (Tom Parish)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:48:57 GMT

 >Educate your neighbor, get him  or her involved in the movement.  
 >make sure your neighborhood schools have real computers, and 
 >teachers able to teach computer skills, and answer computer-related 
 >questions. Suggest that your local school have a network connection 
 >to other schools, (if not the world-at-large). Write your 
 >congress-person and have it act against the current digital 
 >signature standard.                           
 
Excellent point - I think I'll get off my duff and start writing...
It always seemed so useless to me in the past but NOW politicians seem
very interested in computers (networks, communication et-al).
 
 >Hell, start a company that sells inexpensive, low-bandwidth Internet
 >connectivity (cyberspace).  
 
I did - it's called the Turning Point.  That was the one of the primary 
goals.
 
Thanks,
Tom  
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: max@underg.uucp (Max Cray)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:32:42 GMT

bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith) writes:

> A second question I have is with the self-extracting file compression system.
>  While I haven't looked specifically, I'm sure that the standard licensing
> agreements will *not* let us use their product for commercial redistribution.
> (wait, let me make it official: I don't know....does anyone?)
> 
> So we would have to check to make sure we're not violating any license
> agreements before making self-extracting versions of InfoDisks, is all I'm
> saying.

There are free compression utilites that can be used if needed.


                                          -= Max =-


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Subject: Re: questions about EFF
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Submitted-By: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:31:55 GMT

Max Cray writes:

>I think the only reason we have dues is so we have a little working capital
>in case we need it, probably to pay for printing of information handouts, etc.

To contrast EFF with other membership organizations, when you join the
ACLU or whatever, the cost of your local chapter membership is
included in your national dues; then the national org kicks money back
to the chapters for their administrative costs.  EFF-Austin receives
only moral, not financial support from EFF national.  EFF-Austin is so
far the *only* local chapter of EFF (kind of a pilot), so it's hardly
fair to make everyone in EFF pay for local costs here.

>Also do not forget another good reason to become involved with the EFF:
>Its fun!

Yeah, that too. :-) Now that I've given my little sermon, I need to
hurry up and send in my EFF-Austin dues.

	Janet




Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Clinton campaign statement
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Submitted-By: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:45:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123803.4228@tic.com> riddle@tic.com (Prentiss Riddle) writes:
>Have there been any public statements from Clinton or Gore which would
>clarify the relationship between their support for a national data
>network with their support for censorship in the name of "family
>values".
>
>I'm referring of course to Tipper Gore's leadership in the record
>labeling movement and related issues.

What's the connection between Tipper Gore's efforts and 'support for
censorship in the name of "family values"'? Tipper Gore has explicitly
stated on several occasions 1) that she is opposed to the censorship of
record lyrics, and 2) that her concern that parents know what their children
are listening should not be interpreted as a justification for censorship.

>Lest I be accused of candidate-
>spouse-bashing, it is of course possible that Bill and Al don't
>entirely share Tipper's concern with pop lyrics as an agent of the
>decay of America's moral fiber.

So far as I know, Tipper Gore has said nothing at all about "pop lyrics as
an agent of the decay of America's moral fiber."  Are you perhaps
confusing her with someone else? What's your source on this claim
that Tipper Gore is talking about "America's moral fiber"?


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung 


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:10:44 GMT

I might suggest that v2.0 and later be self-extracting, but that we keep
v1.x in print for those who can't handle the "bigger" one, at least for the
next few years.


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: max@underg.uucp (Max Cray)
Subject: on the subject of hacking..
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:52:57 GMT

74020.2145@CompuServe.COM (Paco Xander Nathan) writes:

> PS to EFF list: this isn't exactly a computer problem, but the underlying 
> issues of SSN use, credit access and related laws seem appropropriate for 
> discussion here as well..  Thanx for listening.

I think this directly relates to civilizing cyberspace, as computer technology
makes this possible, and certainly even if it was an accident on the part of
Motorola, they are certainly in the wrong. I find it very bizarre that they
would apply for a credit card for an employee (much less an ex-employee)
without even asking your permission, and not only that, are ABLE to actually
get you one, too! It is too bad you can not just buy a workstation with
your new card and send the bill to Motorola...

                                          -= Max =-


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Subject: Infodisk
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:53:42 GMT

Is the Infodisk straight ASCII, or is it a self-extracting archive?
If it's not yet a self-extractor, there's lots of space available on
that disk . . . :-)
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
Subject: Re: Local membership cards
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:02:28 GMT

	Does it make any sense to assume that members of the local
chapters will also be members of the "national" organization in most
cases?

	If so, what do you need two cards for?

-- 
Rita Marie Rouvalis              rita@eff.org 
Electronic Frontier Foundation   | 
155 Second Street                | "Stop me before I post again."
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | 
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: /O=vmspfhou/S=nwdysad/DD.SITE=JSCPROFS/@NASAmail.nasa.gov
Subject: Moderating
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: /O=vmspfhou/S=nwdysad/DD.SITE=JSCPROFS/@NASAmail.nasa.gov
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:59:00 GMT

***************************** PROFS Note *****************************
 From: NWDYSAD --VMSPFHOU            Date and time  08/27/92 08:57:15
 To: POSTMAN --NASAMAIL

 FROM: SCOTT A. DAVIS <NWDYSAD@JSCPROFS.NASA.GOV>
 COMPUTER SCIENCES CORP. - HOUSTON, TEXAS USA
 ENGINEERING DEPT.
 SUBJECT: Moderating

 Not to insult the recent decision to moderate the eff-a list (because it
 doesn`t really matter), but wouldn't it be kinda pointless to moderate
 it since 95-100% of the info that goes through it is eff-related and is
 for the most part important to everyone?  Wouldn't the moderation effect
 the speed at which the information is distributed, or maybe hold up
 important info?  Maybe I'm wrong...I don't know anymore...If this was
 a dumb posting, flame me to a crisp.

 ----
 SCOTT DAVIS +1 713.486.8153 / +1 713.867.3952
 <ROOT@FENNEC.SCCSI.COM>



Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Subject: EFF-Austin's Legal Status
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: polekat@tic.com (Ed Cavazos)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:47:59 GMT

In case you did not make it to Saturday's Cyberdawg, or left 
before the announcement, I thought I might repeat the news here:
 
As of last week, EFF-Austin is officially a Texas Non-profit 
corporation. What this means is that it is a legal entity which is 
distinct from the individuals who are its directors, officers or 
members.  Copies of the articles of incorporation and by-laws are 
available for anyone interested.  
 
With this new status, we hope that EFF-Austin can do more than ever 
to serve Austin's electronic community.  
 
Ed Cavazos


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: riddle@tic.com (Prentiss Riddle)
Subject: Re: Clinton campaign statement
Organization: Radio Free Szegerely
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:38:03 GMT

Have there been any public statements from Clinton or Gore which would
clarify the relationship between their support for a national data
network with their support for censorship in the name of "family
values".

I'm referring of course to Tipper Gore's leadership in the record
labeling movement and related issues.  Lest I be accused of candidate-
spouse-bashing, it is of course possible that Bill and Al don't
entirely share Tipper's concern with pop lyrics as an agent of the
decay of America's moral fiber.  Even if it weren't for Tipper Gore,
the question would remain:  have they ever said anything pro or con about
issues of free speech on the networks?

It seems clear to me that if the Pres and Veep were to make a
centerpiece of a national networking policy which brings
alt.sex.bondage (or its post-Usenet equivalent) to every home and
schoolroom in the country, there would be a major public outcry and a
large backlash in the direction of censorship.  What form such
censorship could take on something as decentralized as a computer
network is unclear to me, but I can think of several horrific
possibilities (one being the criminalization of posting pornographic
material to the network, with the accompanying selective enforcement,
sting operations, botched raids, corruption within the thought police,
etc. which one would expect from such an unenforceable prohibition).
I'd like to know whether Bill and Al have given any thought to their
promotion of universal connectivity in a society which has not shown
itself to be as tolerant of freedom of information and expression as it
pretends to be.

-- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@tic.com
-- Moderator of austin.eff / Another happy guest at Three Initial Corp.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: lindahl@arrisun3.uta.edu (Charlie Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Clinton campaign statement
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: lindahl@arrisun3.uta.edu (Charlie Lindahl)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:02:27 GMT

I don't know what the Clinton/Gore position is on this. However, I
will pass along (you as moderator can decide whether to do this on 
this board) a pointer to an FTP site containing Gore/Clinton speeches.

[The moderator responds:  Sure, as long as this doesn't trigger a big
off-topic discussion.  Good followup points would be: candidates'
positions on EFF issues, and/or whether such use of the networks for
campaigning and voter education is a meaningful step toward "electronic
democracy".  -- Prentiss Riddle, riddle@tic.com]

I am still undecided about my vote, but am leaning towards
Clinton/Gore, mainly due to their stances on abortion and the economy.
And due to the shoddy cheap-shot stuff going on in the Bush campaign
(I saw the other day that there will be a bus following the
Clinton/Gore bus featuring an Elvis impersonator and bologna
sandwiches. I consider this to be a new low in campaigning, and hope
Bush will terminate this activity before it starts). 
 
Charlie
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From: U45301@uicvm.uic.edu (Mary Jacobs)
Newsgroups: comp.archives
Subject: [alt.politics.clinton] CLINTON SPEECHES NOW AVAILABLE VIA FTP
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:37:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Archive-name: auto/alt.politics.clinton/CLINTON-SPEECHES-NOW-AVAILABLE-VIA-FTP

Over 60 speeches and position papers of the Clinton/Gore Campaign
are now available through FTP at world.std.com.

They are in the following directory:  obi/USElection/President/Clinton

For those who do not have FTP abilities, or who do not know how to
use this service, the Clinton speeches will begin appearing directly on
NETNEWS in alt.politics.clinton at the end of this week.

Send questions regarding the content of these speeches to the
Clinton/Gore Camaign at:

75300.3115@compuserve.com

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| Mary Jacobs            | This is MY view;  | "Discontent is the first |
| U45301@UICVM           |  not the view of  |  necessity of progress." |
| U45301@uicvm.cc.uic.edu|     the " U "     |     -- John Steinbeck    |
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Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Subject: Re: Media relations
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Submitted-By: jsq@tic.com (John Quarterman)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.120932.3866@tic.com> sjackson@tic.com (Steve Jackson) writes:
>The press release which announces our official formation would be THE
>ideal platform from which to discuss what the EFF is and is not.

Hm, sounds like a volunteer to write a draft....
Looks like we've had some good examples of the
kinds of questions that need to be answered.
The press release is on the agenda for the
8 September EFF-Austin board meeting.  With
a draft ready beforehand, we could release it
immediately afterwards.


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: bazooka@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bob Anderson)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk, self extracting
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: none
Submitted-By: bazooka@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bob Anderson)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:58:34 GMT

I have a very strong dislike of self extracting archives.  

Not saying that Dave or Ed would hide a surprise in these but I'd rather not 
see that as the way to go.

I'd much rather go with a two disk set if we need more space.

-- 
   Robert Anderson    \   
bazooka@well.sf.ca.us  \                 Be your own jesus    
+1 512-451-4610 & 7117  \   


Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re:  Infodisk, self extracting
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Submitted-By: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:04:02 GMT

> I have a very strong dislike of self extracting archives.  

I don't have anything against self-extractors, but Joe User is likely
to be less paranoid about plain vanilla .TXT files than having to 
actually execute something that *might* have been infected somehow.

I dont' want to start any hysteria, but these things *are* possible.
Newsgroups: austin.eff
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: on the subject of hacking..
Originator: riddle@aahsa.tic.com
X-Submissions: eff-austin@tic.com
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:46:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.133404.15159@tic.com> 74020.2145@CompuServe.COM (Paco Xander Nathan) writes:
>with AMEX and they claim it's all my fault because I'd been a Moto employee 
>and had given them my SSN for tax forms.  Rex & Co. claim it's just a database

ARGH!  your fault because you gave data *required* for employment?  Methinks
AMEX <and probably other credit cos.> are just a bit out of line with that sort
of reasoning.
This sort of trash, along with such niceties as the forfeiture laws, are
getting me rather upset, which is not an easy thing.
Please see Pacos PS for reasoning for continuing this thread...
Newsgroups: austin.eff