HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: PowerBars in the US
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: na,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <BruHqq.Io@cs.dal.ca>, dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace) writes...
>Can someone there is the United States tell me how much Power Bars
>cost down there.  I'm from Canada where they are now banned and our
>local shop has just run out.  I will be going down to L.A. soon
>and plan on picking up a couple of boxes.
> 
>Colin DeWolfe
>dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca
> 
>P.S.  If PowerBars were taken off the market here because they don't actually
>contain "power", how come we can still get Smarties? :-) :-)  That's the 
>Canadian Government for ya....


   Here in the States, Powerbars usually go for about $1.69 U.S.  retail.
If you order them in bulk, you can usually get 'em fer about $1.35 a piece.
Very rarely have I seen them cheaper, except when they're stale or something 
else has happened to them, ie.: they have been melted real bad, etc.

   Does this suffice?

     Joel Brodsky   jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                    jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                    jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                    jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Wanted - 19" Road bike
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:38:41 GMT


I set the distribution to New England, so I you get it in California, it's
not my fault.

I am looking for a 19 inch road bike to put on my trainer. It doesn't 
have to be in great shape or have great components, since it will just 
go on the trainer and I have plenty of spare parts lying around.

If you have a small bike that you want to part with cheap, let me
know.

thanks


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:57:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.152037.10187@wuecl.wustl.edu> brian@wucs1.wustl.edu (Brian) writes:

I have never seen a bike rack that I thought would work well with a
bike with no kickstand, unless you feel that your paint job would be
improved (or at least not harmed) by removing large chunks of it.

>There is basically two of those things, side by side.  They are about 1/2  
>wheel height.  I guess you would roll your front wheel into it, lock the  
>wheel, and say goodbyew to your bike.

If you have a kickstand you can move the bike up next to this thing
and lock through it and the frame.  If it's not too close to a wall or
something.

>For the kind of rack you described, pull your front wheel up and over the  
>rack, leaving your bike resting with the top bar of the rack between the  
>back of your forks and the front of your downtube.

Again, only if you don't like having paint on your downtube and fork.


	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
From: mccallum@fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 28 Jul 1992 22:36:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul28.173759.3734@kestrel.edu> 
king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>In article <l7ambiINN14p@news.bbn.com> 
>ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns) writes:
>>jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) writes:
>>
 [Avocet 3-prong vs. 4-prong pickups talk]

The avocet rep was in the shop the other day and said that 
the 4-pronged magnets will be standard as soon as they ship
all the three-prongs out.

>-dk

--Mike

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: moore@cs.utah.edu (Tim Moore)
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
In-reply-to: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com's message of Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:27:41 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
	<1992Jul27.232741.17645@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:16:11

In article <1992Jul27.232741.17645@oracle.us.oracle.com> usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) writes:
   In article <1992Jul25.024833.12021@athena.mit.edu> jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:
   >From the wisdom of the net...
   >     "How to Put Your Bike on a Diet (Shed Weight)"

   It would be interesting to see how much all of these upgrades would cost, and
   look at how much (or little) weight would be saved.  Anyone have the numbers?

Once I did this calculation for a road bike using the Excel Catalogue.
If you buy all the trick parts possible (titanium bolts, seat, etc.),
you can save about 1.3kg for a cost of $1300. 1 dollar/gram is a
useful rule of thumb.

--
Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Wind in my hair - Shifting and drifting - Mechanical music - Adrenaline surge"
	- Rush
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: NBC Olympic cycling schedule (maybe)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 03:10:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: Performance bike shop hand-out card

Sorry if this has been covered.  I just stopped by the local Performance
shop and they have giveaway cards with the following data on them:

	July 26  7:00 pm-12:00 am Womens' Road Race Final
	July 29 12:35 am- 2:05 am  Track Events
	July 30 12:35 am- 2:05 am  Track Events
	July 31 12:35 am- 2:05 am Track Events - Final
	Aug   2  7:00 am-12:00 am Men's Road Race Final

	Times listed for Eastern & Pacific Zones
		on your NBC channel


And, of course, the obligatory advertising and mention that Performance
is a proud sponsor, blah, blah.

The first two were reasonably accurate, so I plan to watch tonight.  
I just wish that last "am" was not a misprint@B-) 
I can't quite imagine 17 hours of cycling, but I'd like to try!

Actually, of course, these are just time *ranges* in which a few minutes
of cycling will be distributed.  With the second being Sunday, maybe they
really meant am @B-{

	Bob

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:41:47 GMT

In article <kpalm.711877828@athena>, kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
wrote:
> 
> Cleaning the chain:
> 
> Gunk engine degreaser.  Other engine degreasers do not work near as good.
> Hose off after 10 minutes.  If needed, do a second time.  If still needed,
> use one of those high pressure wash systems at a do-it-yourself carwash.
> You should use this method prior to a major event or race if you want your
> drivetrain to work excellent.  Then lube. 
> 

Be careful with engine degreasers.  They can streak paint and damage
decals.

I would feel better using a good grease cutting detergent like Dawn - does
wonders on greasy hands, and isn't likely to damage paint, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: ``Tripping'' bicycles and motorcycles (was Re: Bicycle helmets)
Organization: York University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:17:36 GMT

charters@madhaus.utcs.utoronto.ca (Jim Charters) writes:
|The only close calls I've had with cyclists were as a pedestrian.  In
|all cases, bicycle couriers doing things that are blatantly illegal.

|One of these days I'm going to be struck by one of these idiots, and
|neither of us will come out of it unscathed.  I hope the fact that I'm
|big (6'5", 290lbs) and fit will mean that the two wheeled moron gets
|the worst of it.....

  Just for information (;-)), a bicycle or motorcycle will stop
remarkably quickly if a pedestrian happens to catch the brake lever
on the handlebars during a collision.

  Once upon a time, a Satan's Choice tried to force his Harley 74
through a crowd in Windsor by charging said crowd at speed.
Someone's hand just happened to catch on his front brake as he
passed...  I used to think that the front brake on a '74 didn't do
much, but the poor chap went straight over the handlebars onto the
ground.  Since he had trouble steering while doing so, the 74 fell over
on him.
  The police were kind enough to lift the machine off and call him
an ambulance.  For som reason the didn't seem to take his complaints
about someone causing him to crash all that seriously.

  I suspect bicycle couriers fly well, too.

--dave (I and my racer friends dislike the 'choice in those days) c-b
-- 
David Collier-Brown,  | davecb@Nexus.YorkU.CA | lethe!dave
72 Abitibi Ave.,      | 
Willowdale, Ontario,  | Stupidity is evil waiting to happen.
CANADA. 416-223-8968  |               -- Clay Bond
From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RAAM UPDATE MONDAY 9pm
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:33:11 GMT
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

1-900-454-BIKE (.95 minute) 

status at 9pm monday

Seanna Hogan somewhere in Texas 11.7 mph, 281 miles per day
Turner 170 back
Allison 201 back
Regan 251 back (c'mon amy, a mile a day won't do it!)

(looks as though predictions that Seanna could beat the men were optimistic
since, despite starting a day later ... )

Kish passed Hogan averaging 15.9 mph, 382 miles per day
Solon 8 miles back
Fourney 43 back
Kees 70 back
Tatrai 107 back
23 men still riding

Mixed Tandems are still quite close 

Wilson-Reitman somewhere in New Mexico 11.5 mph, 275 miles per day
Addison-Addison 13 miles back.

Men's Tandems. Don't follow these guys. I think the pavement may be 
melting!

Haldeman-Breedlove are averaging 15.8 mph, 379 miles per day
Gerlich-Mankus are 414 back.

Race Across AMerica started in Irvine California, and will end 8+ days
later in Savannah, Georgia. The women started 7/23. the men and mixed
tandems the following day, and the men's tandems and teams the day
after that. the staggered start was designed to have riders finishing 
closer together.

Average mph and mpd are all inclusive. The clock doesn't stop for
breaks of any kind. Rider sleeps, the clock keeps going!

Rider bios are in the latest Velo News and UMCA newsletters. If anyone
is interested I can post some of this stuff. Also, since I'm not typing in
all the men, if you know a rider and I'm leaving him out, the let me
know and I'll try to post info about that rider.
-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             7 down, 5 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984
From: pswanson@dae.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Keywords: bridge map
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:03:19 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul24.003339.23998@linus.mitre.org> bchivers@smiley.mitre.org (Brent Chivers) writes:
>In article <Jul.21.14.29.33.1992.2701@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
> > I'd like to find out where one can cross the Delaware River
> > with a bicycle, from NJ to PA [and presumably vice versa]
> >
> > This would include any bridges, fords/causeways, and ferries.
>
>Finally I have the appropriate tools together at the same time and
>place: Pennsylvania's own SE quadrant biking map (shows which bridges
>permit bikes), a PA/NJ road map (to identify what the roads _are_
>that cross the bridges), and a terminal.  This covers all but the
>northern end of the NJ/PA border.  So, moving north from Delaware:
>
>Road		Bikes?	PA Town		NJ Town		Bridge Name
>PA 532, NJ 546	ok	Washington Xing	Washington Crossing (see subject line)

It should be noted that you must walk your bike across this bridge

There is also a foot bridge between Bulls Island State Park on the NJ side and
I believe Lumberville on the PA side.

Paul.
From: allana@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Allan Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:59:53 GMT
Subject: Desperately seeking Maressi 750s size 41
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

I've had a fair amount of difficulty getting comfortable in most cycling
shoes, but my pair of Maressi 750s that I bought in 1985 has been
wonderful. Unfortunately, they are finally falling apart from years of
use, and I'd desperately like to have another pair. This model hasn't
been manufactured since about 1988, so I can't buy another pair new, but
I'm hoping that some reader has an old pair he/she might be willing to
part with or might know where I can get a pair. Size 41.

Please?

Allan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: phily@col.hp.com (Phil Yearsley)
Subject: Klein for sale
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:56:19 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division



	F O R  S A L E  -  K L E I N  T O U R I N G  B I K E
	----------------------------------------------------

	Frame		- 	Klein Performance (56cm)
	Fork		- 	Klein CroMoly
	Bars		-	Cinelli
	Stem		-	Nitto
	Seat post	- 	Campy Record
	Seat		-	Italia
	Crank		-	Offmega triple (34-42-52)
	Pedals		-	Suntour Superbe
	Hubs		-	Campy Record
	Rims		-	Arraya 20A (front) Ukai (rear)
	Shifters	- 	Shimano 105 (7sp)
	Front derailleur-	Suntour
	Rear derailleur - 	Shimano Deore Xt
	Freewheel	- 	Shimano 600EX (6sp 14-28)
	Brakes		-	Shimano 105
	Tires		-	Specialized touring II K4 (700x32)


	Asking price	-	$550.00 for a really sweet bike

Phil Yearsley
Hewlett-Packard
Colorado Springs Technology Center
phily@col.hp.com
719-590-3153w
719-635-3659h


From: flanagan@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Michael Flanagan)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:49:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Bears, Alaska/Canada Tour
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Yes, there is an excellent bike shop in Whitehorse. Can't remember
the name of it, but Whitehorse is not a large place. Its a couple
of blocks from the downtown. Good luck, The Alcan is heaven.
Mike :
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:37:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Harry -- the rolling resistance of a bicycle tire is
negligable in these record attempts. I think that the
figures I saw showed that a rider would have to be up
around 200 mph before he started being limited by
rolling resistance alone.

The turbulent flow of the air around the windshield of
a convertable is hardly of the order of magnitude to
give any substantial assistance to a bicyclist and "correctly"
designed fairings are worse in this respect, not better.

The limitations of speed by motorpacing are in the vehicles
that are pacing, not in the rider per se'.

You are quite correct that motor-paced records are tricky
and don't prove much.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mswanson@oracle.com (Murray Swanson)
Subject: Results of Grundig World Cup at Mammoth?
Organization: Oracle Corp., Belmont CA
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:44:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


Can someone please post the results/race report of the Grundig World Cup
Mountain Bike championships? The latest round of which was held at Mammoth
Lakes, California over the weekend.

Many Thanks
Murray
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca
Subject: Suspension question
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:38:40 GMT


Anyone have any horror stories or interesting knowledge on
suspension stems, suspension forks, or suspension bikes?
Feel free to spout.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: L'Equipe on LeMond
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:06:56 GMT

allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
>are just piling up on my table.  But if this isn't enough to convince
>you to learn to read french, nothing is.

Being surrounded by 2000km of English-speakers in every direction
('ceptin' maybe straight south), it has been discouraging trying to
learn another language, having tried & forgotten Spanish, Russian, &
German.  Except for L'Equipe, I'd have no other use for French.
Still, it's tempting...considering the complete incompetence of
American media coverage of cycling.  Yet another opportunity for a
foreign business to out-compete with our myopic domestic business.

>Anyway, here was the L'Equipe reaction to LeMond abandonning.

>It simply was not that big a deal.  Many very good riders have abandonned in
>the past, and many more will in the future.  So the news coverage goes
>on talking about all the other incredible atheletes who deserve the
>coverage of their performances.

Cheers.  All the cheapshot Greg bashers have no basis for their
vitriol.  I don't recall the full list of abandoners, but didn't the
list also include Luc LeBlanc, on whom there also were high
expectations?  Oh well, there always be the narrow-minded...
s
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brian@clarisse.wustl.edu (Brian)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Reply-To: brian@wucs1.wustl.edu (Brian)
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:20:37 GMT

In article <20JUL92.15463242@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu> stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu  
writes:
> I am looking for info on bike racks and theft prevention.
> Here at MIT, most of the racks are the old style that hold your
> front wheel between two verticle poles supported between two
> long horizontal poles.  These are a real pain to use with
> the standard U lock.  I have seen lots of  other designs, but
> I have no idea of which are the safest.
> has anyone seen a report published comparing bike racks?

I actually prefer those to the other kind we have here at Washinton U.  We  
have some of those which you describe and some that are kind of like a  
swooping kind og thing the bike rolls into.  Looks something like:

     __
     | \_
     |    \
    _|_____|_

There is basically two of those things, side by side.  They are about 1/2  
wheel height.  I guess you would roll your front wheel into it, lock the  
wheel, and say goodbyew to your bike.  Basically the only bikes I have  
seen locked to these things are old rusted schwinns, huffys and murrays.
Most of the nicer bike either use the racks like you described, or the  
railings of a staricase (I prefer the latter).

For the kind of rack you described, pull your front wheel up and over the  
rack, leaving your bike resting with the top bar of the rack between the  
back of your forks and the front of your downtube.  Then put the u lock  
over your down tube, under the top of the rack, through your front wheel  
(be sure to grab one of the vertical bars with it, too) and stick the  
locking part of the lock on between your spokes.  This method is pretty  
simple.  I have not yet seen a rear wheel stolen, although I have seen a  
few fronts gone.

brian
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:14:29 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

For a contrary opinion , we take you to the WSJ of 7-28:

        "Spectacular Cycling
	...excellent production of Sunday's women's 81km...
	smooth as a freshly paved road.
	...addition of music heightened the drama. The photography
	was spectacular"
-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headset adjustment
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:44:21 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <9207241818.AA05230@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>
>I agree that this is a good way to check this because to do it more
>precisely, the bars and wheel must be removed so that bearing interference
>is not masked by the mass of these parts.  Since head bearings are most
>often re-adjusted on an assembled bike, removing these parts is impractical.
>
>On the other hand, the way to check for looseness is to bounce the front
>end (wheel) of the bike on the ground and listen for chatter in the head
>bearing.  This is a more sensitive method than rocking the bike fore and
>aft with the brake engaged and it is faster.  For this to work properly,

Yet another reasonable way to check for looseness in the headset without
having to be concerned with the masking effects of the brake assembly is
to grab hold of the stem with one hand and front wheel in the other and
try to rock the two in opposite directions.  Any looseness will be quite
apparent.

-davin
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:12:42 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.162929.13123@news.eng.convex.com>,
pvogel@convex.com (Peter A. Vogel) writes regarding NBC's
cycling soap opera:
> ...they're trying to disgust you 
> into paying $29.95/day (or 125 for all 15 days) of triplecast subscription.
> 
> Of course, if you have triplecast, you would get to see the Women's Road 
> Race in its entirety... On August 6th (according to TV guide).  So you 
> have a choice, kinda like the presidential choice.

That is the *ONLY* appearance of "cycling" in the triplecast
program guide -- 36 hours of programming a day, and they schedule
more time for Equestrian events than Cycling events :-(
At least there's not much synchronized swimming...

For what it covers, the triplecast so far is much, much better than
the reader's-digest-condensed evening coverage.  The commentators 
(for diving and gymnastics, at least) are knowledgeable, and they
are talking real-time, so their reactions are genuine, not scripted.
The woman doing commentary on the women's platform diving was awesome,
she was predicting the judges' scores for every dive before the
diver's head popped up, and was right most of the time.

Which makes it all the sadder that the triplecast plans so little
cycling coverage.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan)
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:14:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.101051.7656@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Well, Greg Lemond has quit the Tour, and I for one will not miss him. I was
>getting a bit fed up with all his whinging about not feeling to good on one
>day, then saying he felt great the next (the day he and Chiapucci stole just
>over a minute). You don't here people like Roche or Chiapucci complaining.
>
 [stuff deleted]
>
>-------
>Charles

Well, Greg Lemond has quit the Tour, and I for one WILL miss him.  I was 
greatly looking forward to the upcoming 'flat' time trial to see what he could
do (and to see what his secret weapon, according to ESPN, was going to be)....

I'm sorry, but I for one didn't perceive Greg's comments as 'whinging'....
the media asked him what was up, and he gave them whatever was on his mind...
he was as honest as he could be to the media and himself....he just didn't
have it this year...the irony is that this spring was probably one of his best.

And as far as why you don't 'here' people like Roche or Chiapucci complaining,
well it could be because our media hardly ever interviews them....I'm
sure the Irish press got an earfull from Roche after this past weekend about
how tough the Alps were (but I doubt if he was complaining about it)....

I guess it's all a perception thing......... 

Shadan