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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.221345.26884@seq.uncwil.edu> drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins) writes:
>You know, Steve, there is merit in some of what you say, but the
>way you say it brings me to one conclusion. You are an asshole.

David, what you happen to think of me is of no particular consequence.
I'm not here for a popularity contest.  However, let me clue you in on
how I frequently react, and that is I dish back what others are shovelling.
Donald was out of line, and I told him to fuck himself with the same
vehemence that he barged in with.  He uses a baseball bat, as it were,
I respond in kind.  Now, from his response, it's clear that the situation
is a hell of a lot more complicated and he's an incredible victim of
the unjust actions of others and his own reaction to them.  As I said
to him, no one is a mind reader here.

>Another person who responded to Donald made his point without
>being offensive and diminuitive.

It's not as if Donald is a newbie--he's been around; that means he had
even less of an excuse than usual to plead ignorance.

>Donald is incorrect in many of his assuptions, particularly in
>saying that this forum is exclusive of Blacks. The other
>respondent is correct in indicating that one cannot tell if the
>posts come from one of a particular race.

Check.

>Donald also made it clear that he has racist attitudes himself and
>did not exclude himself from blame either.

Gee, I must have missed that last part.

>Your reply only reinforced the point he was making.

Um, what point was that?

>I usually read the "fluff" in this group without responding, because
>most of what is talked about here is nonsense and fag rhetoric. It
>has nothing to do with reality or anything.

Fuck you too.  You have the GALL to use a phrase like "fag rhetoric"
and complain about offensiveness at the same time?  

>Just because the participants are gay does not mean that everybody
>else is gay-prejudiced or against gays.

Huh?

>The nonsense perpetuated in soc.motss

Huh?

>as well as bullshit commentary, such as yours, does more to
>dilute your message than it does to coagulate it.

That's a great image.  Ah, why can't we all just coagulate together...

>Lighten up, and take that bug out of your ass. My admiration for you
>just took a dive. Where once I thought to commend you, I now would
>delight to see you wallow in the shit you create.

Love you too, David.  I promise to hold you in the same esteem unless
you show me otherwise.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Bonjour, Tristero (Was Re: Traditional Family Values)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: a literary note
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:09:31 GMT



"49!", cried lot, little realizing how stiff and salty his wife had
become.

but the mail always got delivered on time...
From: novick@ogicse.ogi.edu (David G. Novick)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Measure 9:  Why we have keep working
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:03:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43904
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

Some correspondents to soc.motss have recently suggested that the
fight over Measure 9 is just about won.  This is not the case.  The
levels of everyday ambivalence and ignorance are still amazing and
troubling.

Last weekend my S.O. and I were driving to Ashland for the Shakespeare
festival.  On our way we stopped to eat at a Burger King (!) in Salem,
our state capital.

While I was ordering, the young man behind the counter noticed my "No
on 9" button and asked "Nine?  What's that?."  I explained that this
was a ballot measure that would effectively make homosexuality
unconstitutional in this state.  "Well, I don't know about that," he
said, going on to state proudly that he *was* going to vote against
the ballot measures that would shut down a nuclear power plant.

Then as I was paying, the manager saw my button and asked "Nine?
What's that?"  I again explained that this was the ballot measure
sponsored by the OCA to make homosexuality unconstitutional.  "The
OCA?  What's that?"  (These questions coming despite the facts that
(1) the Oregonian, a generally reactionary newspaper, has been running
huge, largely factual articles on M9 almost every day and (2) anti-9
TV ads have started to air.)  Anyway, I explained.  He said something
on the order of how he was uncomfortable with "that" and probably
wouldn't vote on the measure.  I suggested that if he didn't help stop
persecution of relatively powerless groups now, the next group to be
persecuted might include him.  He stared fixedly at his shoes.

Having grown up in Oregon, I believe that there are a lot of people in
this state that's like the Burger King employees--and some who are
worse.  We really have to keep working.

--David "the burger wasn't that regal" Novick

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From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Michigan
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:45:22 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com



Well, it is about time for me to take vacation....  Since I
was looking for a low cost, low stress sort of vacation, I am
going to visit my alma mater... Yes, I am heading to Ann Arbor...

I will be there from Nov 11 to Nov 16... I have no plans, except
some random terrorizing of town... If anyone wants to meet me there,
let me know...


FWA
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:07:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcmelmon.mattm-081092115637
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct8.150543.19581@panix.com>, ro@panix.com (r l reid)
wrote:

> I do have one question on men's suits.  Why are they all made of wool?
> Wool makes me itch and sneeze.  I can't be the only person this happens
> to.  It means I can ONLY wear the cheapest of suits - 100% Polyester.
> I like a touch of poly in the white shirts, but a whole suit made of
> it?  Why not silk?

Wool is cheaper than silk.  But you can get wonderful silk jackets for
a couple hundred.  They go *very* well with rough denim pants, Levis
or not.  Some suede shoes.  Concert t-shirt (maybe even a Mad Momma rip
off of that *famous* Warhol print of that *other* dead blond drug addict). 
Just the right amount of gouppe dans le hairre.  Maybe an ring in zee
ear.  Maybe not.

Oh.  To *die* for...


Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:11:38 GMT

J. N. Shaumeyer writes:
>>> Of course, I'm sure this will get me a copy of the "insensitive
>>> cretin" tag.
>>
>Wrong.  I can only love a man who knows the
>difference between 'envy' and 'jealousy'.

Indeed.  During the con, I envied the achievements of a new (in person)
acquaintance, and envied a long-time friend who had to luxuriate in a
thatch of thick white chest hair as a result.

Jealous?  No--I was happy the way someone is happy for a friend who
wins the lottery, not that you don't muse simultaneously that it would
have been nicer if your number had been drawn.  That's envy, not jealousy. :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:19:41 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Master of the Salt and Pepper Scallops, Arnold M Zwicky wrote:

>what *is* the world coming to?  if the squirrel's card goes, none of us
>is safe.  not even wendyt or fwa.
>save our squirrel.  have a Week Without Opera.  do something
>squirrelesque, like playing billie and etta and sarah and ella.  get a
>sense of what other people's lives are like.  then go back to [...]
>and don't touch those queer cards.

How to do something squirrelesque:

1. Activate the bass emphasis whenever you listen to "Enter Sandman".
The neighbors will love you, especially when played at volumes equivalent
to a 747 at rotation.
2. Go to Golden Gate Park and feed the squirrels.  
3. Have lunch with Apple's own enfant terrible, Matthew.  Be sure to
pay for the meal with high test plastic.
4. Visit the Cliff House (only with out-of-town guests, natch) and feed
the squirrels.
5. Write Mike Hennahane's home phone number in as many bathroom stalls
as ink permits.
6. Take a break from work (in the garden behind our building) and feed
the squirrels.
7. Billie, Etta, Sarah, Ella!  And while you are at it, Blossom Dearie,
Mark Murphy, and Harry Connick Jr. (thanks JD).
8. Take in the spectacle of Yosemite.  Stay at the Ahwahnee Hotel, of 
course.  It will be a "gay hotel" while you are there.  Don't forget
to feed the squirrels.
9. Enjoy Suze whenever and wherever you can.  It's the Official Beverage
of soc.motss celebutantes worldwide.
10. Feed the squirrels whenever and wherever you can.

I do listen to a disc with Maria Callas arias on it, so I think I can
keep my Queer Card after all.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

"In America, we can't even get corruption right."  - my flight instructor.
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Keywords: expensive jewelry
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:21:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1avtt2INNprf@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.115654.2679@hemlock.cray.com> 
>
>> If you read soc.motss carefully enough, you can, eventually,
>> learn all sorts of details about these strangers across the
>> Net.  
>
>*Strangers*?  Are we not one big happy family?
>
Oh Puh-leeze! (sarcasm in original statement duly noted)

>> Today we learned that Greg Parkinson and Arne Adolphson
>> graduated high school the same year that I did. I believe Melinda
>> did, too, and Mr. Cr*mer as well.  
>
>Yes, I knew about ******.  I think Jack Hamilton graduated 
>the year before us.  

What a cohort. It's a bit like saying that Walter Lippmann, F. Scott
Fitzgerald, Babe Ruth and Clyde Barrow all frequented the same 
speakeasy!


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:42:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.005749.1545@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>in article <73392@apple.apple.com> richard@apple.com (everybody's
>squirrel friend) admits:
>
> >I've tried to find similiar (emotional) movement in opera but can't seem
> >to.  Please don't tell me I have to turn in my Queer Card.
>
>we must stop these senseless entrance exams.  now.
>
>save our squirrel.  have a Week Without Opera.  do something
>squirrelesque, like playing billie and etta and sarah and ella.  get a
>sense of what other people's lives are like.  then go back to
>_wozzeck_ and _salome_ (or _la favola d'orfeo_ and _idomeneo_,
>whatever) with a fresh take on living queer.  open yourself up to the
>big wide world of queerness.  take it all in.  be generous.

The call of diversity has brought us to this. 

(Many languid sighs...)

>
>

>


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Giving Witness
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:01:03 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


Sorry, lost the thread, but I'm pretty sure it was Gary
Byma, urging Donald to tell the actual stories of the things
that happen to him, the things that give rise to this
upwelling of anger.

I think this is singularly good advice.  It does at least
two things, both of them important, I feel.

First, for Donald himself, it collects his thoughts, for
they must be more or less collected if one is to tell them
to others.  A side benefit of this process is that a
specific incident that has been told to others is not *just*
one more outrage stoking up the fury (though it's that too),
but rather something that has to some degree been filtered
through a reasoning process, which among other things helps
clarify it for him.  This is good because it focuses the
anger on proper objects and doesn't let it get diffused away
into every injustice there has ever been.  In addition, just
venting in a clearer, relatively controlled way is a useful
thing.

For the genuinely concerned readers here, whoever and
whatever they are, such testimonials do a number of good
things.  Maybe the most important is that it helps make real
a lot of injustices that are occurring *now*.  Anyone who's
seen a picture or drawing of the slave ships or read
accounts of those nightmare voyages has a sense of the
cruelty involved.  But slave ships are, in the terms many
here relate to, things of the past that lack the immediacy,
I think, of the Rodney King beating video.  A lot of people
here, I think, are concerned but pretty much uninformed.
Although it's true all of us *should* be better informed,
and it's true it isn't that hard to *get* better informed,
still I think the situation is a bit analogous to the
cluelessness of straight people who (accurately enough) say
they never actually knew a lesbian or gay or bisexual
person.

If the topic were homophobia, rather than racism, I think a
lot of people here would agree that it would be a good thing
if every person on earth had a first-hand, and nontrivial,
connection with LGB people.  Well, I think the parallel is
probably sufficiently clear.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:56:44 GMT


It is obvious to me that ONLY YOUR OPINION COUNTS. I will not debase
myself by telling you to "Go Fuck Yourself," as you have so directly
addressed me.

I don't know you. I don't love you. I don't want to meet you. I don't
even want to get close enough to you where I would even consider 
wanting to fuck you. If you are as ugly as your attitude, I doubt that
anybody does.

You're proving more in each response that you are the asshole I 
observed. There's no need to reply. Take a look in the mirror and
see if you really like yourself.

I am sure that there are many, like myself, who read this newsgroup but
do not follow-up because they do not want to enter the fray which
no-nothing-know-it-alls like you commandeer.

...and if my phrase, fag-rhetoric, offends anyone, that's too bad
because that's what it is. It is an abundance of whining about why
"nobody likes me 'cause I'm gay." It's ridiculous and stupid and
immature, and you, Steve, help to perpetuate this farce of life by
ranting on the very people you espouse to care about.



-- 
David Rollins                 |  I OWN A COMMODORE/AMIGA 2000.  
Email: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu |  I'M GOOD ENOUGH. I'M SMART ENOUGH,
Voice: 919-763-4115           |  AND DOGGONE IT, PEOPLE LIKE ME!
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:11:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <raxz6vl@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>
>>I saw the video on MTV Europe last Saturday.  It is *very* explicit,
>>not in bare bodies, but in things S&M.  Even the French people present
>>(i.e., everybody except me) were pretty startled.  We are placing bets
>>for how long it will last.  Previous history (Prince's "Sexy
>>Motherfucker" becoming "Sexy [ridiculous scream]") does not bode well.
>
>Well, MTV is only playing "EROTICA" after midnight, and the song itself is not
>explicit in any wa so that it can be played on Top40 stations all over America..
>

I heard the song for the first time today, on MTV.  It was during one
of their dance parties, around 5pm this evening.  They got away with
it by showing abut two seconds of the video. I've been staying up late
to get to see the whole thing, but I've been missing it.  Anyway, the
song had me dancing around my room, but then I love everything the
woman does.

I just want that album when it comes out...OCTOBER 20!!!!!!


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:54:32 GMT

mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:

>John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:
>  [a slice-of-life -- but whose life?]

Check the subject line.

>God damn it, you know I can't stand that frikkin Duff!  Next time get
>me some Groin Belt.  Shit!

(John turns silently away, wishing the food stamps covered alcohol)

>  (beers pass... 5 or 6 beers later, sloppily amorous]
>Aw, c'mere.  You know I'd never treat my thaaang bad like that.
>  (reaches out to grab a handful ... loses equilibrium, falls into
>   dog dish.)

(John hoists Mike back up into his chair, takes a few half-hearted
swipes at the dogfood on his face. goes to couch and lies down,
ignoring the children)

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Joan-Rhymes (was Re: Sean)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:45:55 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.041703.3517@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>Next time you're in Portland, Roger, I'll take you up to my bedroom

Bet you say that to all the boys ...

I know it's not true, but I like the idea, you see ...

>and show you my copy of the fourteenth Newspeak dictionary. It's got
>ten thousand less words than the one before, quite astounding.

I wonder what this means.  Does it mean newspeak is less
common, so 10,000 fewer [NB, countable things] words need to
be cited, or so much more common 10,000 words have such
currency they don't need to be listed, or ...?

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Vacationing in Europe
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:55:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <73388@apple.Apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>CJR10@CCCVM.CCC.AMDAHL.COM (Chris Russell) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have any recommendations on vacation spots in Europe?
>
>Am I the only one who finds this posting wildly insane?  With respect
>to "gay places", "gay hotels", "gay restaurants":

I think it's a sensible way to travel.  I want to spend my money where it
is less likely to be going to my enemies.  I want to encourage gay/lesbian
and g/l friendly businesses - it's not like there are too many of them
(except for gift shops in the Castro, of course).  Most g/l people face 
enough oppression in everyday life; isn't it reasonable to try to avoid 
it on vacation?  True, not all hets are bigots, but as Damon Runyon once
said, "the race is not always to the swift, nor yet the battle to the
strong, but that's the way to bet." 

>1. Pick a place to go visit.
>2. Stay at a hotel.  While you are there, it is a "gay hotel".
>3. Choose a restaurant.  While you are there, it is a "gay restaurant".

That's just silly.  If I visited the Vatican, would that make the Catholic 
Church a "gay church"?  No.  There's more to being a gay establishment than 
just having gay people present. 

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:20:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.181600.20654@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess 
Anderson) writes:
>
>:-).  I deleted jess (perfectly good word, but no fun for
>anagrams on my own name) and such words as joss, which even
>I am too lazy to look up.

Interesting word, joss.  I knew that it was used in the phrase "joss stick"
(knowledge gained by reading detective novels), but hadn't previously known
what a joss was.  It's going to be hard to work into a conversation,
though.

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:22:46 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <thaaang.718510799@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>
>>In article <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>>Who's Janis Joplin?
>
>>Marlene Dietrich's illegitimate daughter by Mary Pickford, of course. Meryl 
>>Streep is her third cousin, by the way.
>
>...And she *babysat* Madonna! It's all beginning to make sense now...

I thought Janis was Scott Joplin's mother....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:52:57 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>Because I am also known as "the little furnace" in that I can overheat
>at 40 degrees below zero (Farenheit or Celsius, you pick).

You can be our campfire, then. Oh, what fun that will be; sitting
around you, keeping our buns warm and stoking you with *big* *fat*
*logs*! I can hardly wait!

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!