From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart,alt.flame
Subject: Re: WHO IS BEN SANSING AN
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:45:53 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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	Note followup to alt.flame.

ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) snivels:
>
>Karl, you can't spell for shit, and you take everything TOO SERIOUSLY.
>Get a life.

	No, ben, dearie, I don't take *everything* seriously; you,
	for instance, I don't think *anyone* takes seriously. I most
	certainly do not.

>If you ever climb down off your childish "College Net" and get on RIME
>or FIDOnet or anywhere where a TRUE cross-section of America hangs out,

	This is certainly the most surreal statement I've seen in 
	quite a while.

	Ben, Are you using some of, oh, what was that word that 
	was a bit to esoteric for us? Oh yes, SARCASM. Is that
	what you're using? 

	That's kind of like the hillbillies saying 'Here in the
	REAL WORLD, where we slog barefoot through the mud, and
	where our parents are often brother and sister...'. Sure,
	Those are real networks, but what you've just done is 
	waved a GREAT big flag of backwards provincialism and 
	proclaimed your muddy little bit of land to be the center
	of the universe.

>  You take EVERYTHING seriously, and as a personal offense (You meaning
>about half of the users of this Conference (or "group" or "whizzbang" or
>whatever the Official Techie Words here are).

	Ben, as a new and ignorant user, how do you find that you have
	sufficient knowledge to speak for anyone here? Particularly
	when you freely admit that you don't even understand the very
	net you are using here?

>I forget that you folks are all college kids who are still locked in
> the "take everything at absolute face value" stage of life. I apologize.
> I'm used to dealing with adults.

	Little bennie, there is one person in this current conversation
	who sounds like a college kid. That's you. 

	Now, try actually reading this group for a while. You'll find
	that the majority of postings are not from educational sites
	at all, but commercial sites. 

	You may also find that the people you are putting down are the
	ones here who actually know something about the subjects that
	this group is intended for. And that it just MIGHT be worth 
	listening to them, rather than making a series of meaningless
	clicks and grunts in their general direction.

>As for the "alcohol blurs tattoos" issue - various tattoo artists have
>told me that over the years, as well as dermatologists and other folks.

	I ask again, which ones? I know at least a dozen tattoo
	artists; only some of whom have even a hint of a clue as
	to what's going on. 

	Any fool with needle and ink can be a tattoo artist; that
	title doe not give one automatic authority.

	It's a matter of simple common sense that extreme alcohol
	consumption fucks up everything in the body; skin, liver,
	heart, brain, etc, etc. Sure, when you get to this level
	of consumption, it may have some adverse effects on a tattoo.
	But by that time, you're dying anyway, and if what you're
	worrying about is your TATTOO.... Well, you're a lost cause
	and might as well be dead anyway.
 
>Apparently, "credibility" is directly proportional to political
>correctness,

	Mmm, it's a sure sign of idiocy when this phrase comes up
	out of context. 

>I think at least part of the "problem with Ben" is that Ben is used to
>trading insults, sarcasm, bad puns, weird humor, and ribald commentary
>with folks on the RIME Network. As I'm beginning to understand, this
>Usenet thing is a whole different kettle of fish.

	Bingo. It's bigger; it's global. And it's got it's own set
	of standards. One of which is, if you act like a blithering 
	idiot in public, you are going to get called a blithering 
	idiot. There is no tolerance of fools here, unlike smaller,
	more provincial networks, where one is often free to be as 
	asinine as one chooses without fear of being celled for it.

>Goodness, I've "alienated a whole newsgroup". Gosh, now if I just knew
>what the fuck a "newsgroup" was. Or an "article".

	If you knew those things, lad, you would cross the line from 
	utter fool to just ordinary, garden variety idiot. Still,
	it's a step up.

>Do you have the FAQ deliniating the Official Party Line handy? 

	No, do you? 

	I'm not a member of any 'PARTY'; if there's a similarity
	between what I say and what others say, it's cause they
	agree with me. So far, the consensus is that you are an
	annoying, ignorant fool.  
	
>I am told to "provide sources". Yet, YOU offer no sources for your
>opinion.

	Do your research, child. I offered my sources in the
	beginning of this conversation.  

> Obviously, since your opinion projects "tattoo care" as
>something you never have to worry about, it will get more people
>"involved", I guess. Yes, I see the point. Don't want to scare them off
>when they might end up "true believers".

	Actually, I prefer to scare *everyone* off, *particularly*
	anyone who would call themselves a 'true believer'. 

	Now, can you translate the above into english as the rest of
	us (Meaning the world's english speaking nations) use it? 

>It was never my intention to "alienate a whole newsgroup".

	Well, it's what you are doing. Now, if you care to be a 
	member, learn to think more and talk less.

> On RIME (where I usually hang out), differences of opinion are NOT
> automatically attacked.

	Nor are they here. They are usually debated, however.

	What is automatically attacked is foolishness. 

> This "newsgroup" carries on like some dogmatic religious organization 

	Persecution complex raises it's head again. 

	Ben, spend some time thinking. You might find you 
	enjoy it.

		Now, you foolish boy, go back to the sandbox until
	you find a way to get along with the other children.


		-Karl

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