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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.020643.15700@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug9.021511.22673@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>>
>> [ . . . ]
>> 
>> maybe having an Asian-American male
>> boyfriend will be the next trendy status symbol of the 90s, the way having
>> an Oriental girlfriend has been oh-so-hip...
>> 						--Alan Hu
>> (Great!  Equal opportunity sexual objectification. :-))
>
>     Andrew, don't you feel used?  :-)  Just be sure to introduce all her
>friends to SCAA so they can be hip too.  :-)
>
>							George
>

  Well I think it's about time we AAFs did a little whining of our own.
  I mean that some of us have been asked out by guys of every race
  except for AsAm men.  Through recent e-mail correspondence and
  memories of my friends growing up, I've come to the conclusion that some
  AsAm men don't really want to go out with AsAm women.  They really
  want the White goddesses to start chasing after them and writing
  articles in Cosmopolitan about "My Exotic Asian Man."  For example,
  I've known of several AsAm females who tried to ask out AsAm men
  and scared them away.  And they were not ugly or doggy or fat.
  In fact they all have white men running after them.  I know of
  a zero success rate for AsAm women asking out AsAm men.  However
  I know of 100% success rate for White women who asked out AsAm
  men.  One of my best friends (blonde-blue-eyed) said she saw
  an interesting prospect in the med library, and walked up and
  asked him out.  He was completely cowed and the rest is history.
  I wonder why he didn't get "scared away".  I also know another
  white female who proclaimed that AsAm men are shy and therefore
  she has to do the asking.  Well I said, it doesn't work because
  they get scared away.  And she looked surprised and said it always
  worked for her.  So face it, you guys are easy pickings for
  White women.  Now all we need is for them to write it up in
  Cosmopolitan, Mademoiselle, and Glamour to let in the rest of
  the white women in on this secret that a few of my friends have
  already discovered and you'll hear no more whining about AF/CM dating.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: One white boy
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:43:09 GMT

In article <0eWIRMG00UhB02B94L@andrew.cmu.edu> "Douglas S. Brashear" <db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>On 11-Aug-92 in One White Boy (was Re: Whit..
>user Jim Pak@oakhill.sps.mot. writes:
>
>[pretty lengthly whining, loud-mouthed, semi-funny, semi-useful, reply
>by a guy who probably needs to get out more than sit behind the computer
>so much deleted]

Hey, Dougie, where were you sitting when you wrote this note?  Could it be...
BEHIND A COMPUTER SCREEN????

I don't think anybody who comes from CMU should tell others not to sit behind
a computer so much.  Besides, who goes to CMU to major in English?  :-)

BTW, yours is predictable reply #6.  Thanks, I'll make sure to add this one
next time I argue with JJ.

>>p.s. And some people have the nerve to deny that this obnoxious superior
>>     attitude in some CMs doesn't exist.
>
>wow, this is a bit severe... :-)

Nope.  Not in my opinion.  Those who give, get.  Law of nature.

>Coming from the same point as the original postee (with a more subtle
>approach to bboards like this one), I can say that I'm sure no harm was
>intended...

Oh, sure.  That's why the geek made comments like "I like to read this
newsgroup to get a good laugh" and "there's nothing funnier than a bunch
of guys..."  Sure.

If the geek had a simple point to make about why he fell in love with his
woman, why didn't he just say it and save the other smart-ass remarks?
*That's* my point.  And that'll always be my point.

>its just that, one has to be a bit forward when posting here
>to be taken seriously!

And when one gets a little too obnoxiously "forward," others will step in
and help "nudge" that person back to reality.  :-)

>Just thought I'd say that!
>DOUG 
>db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
>
>p.s.- Jim, you wouldnt be in SCAA yourself would you?

Hmm, I don't quite get this remark.  I'm in SCAA?  Sure, I am.  I post here,
don't I?

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 20:28:11 GMT

In article <4851@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.201311.19821@sco.com>, garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
>writes:
>>[stupidity deleted]
>
>I consider Myself American of Asian descent. What I was objecting to is the
>constant equating of all Caucasians as White. There are 3 major races that
>I know of: Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid. I'd prefer that people use
>geographic terms such as Asian American rather than racial terms.

Mr. Hira, you will have a lot of trouble trying to explain this to
Chinese-cu idiots.  They think that the Chinese-ge alone constitute
a race; in other words, there are 4 races, according to Chinese-cu idiots:
Negroid, Caucasoid, Non-Chinese-ge Mongoloid, and Chinese-ge.

Interestingly enough, the Korean-cu national with whom I had lunch also
thinks that the Koreans-ge are a race too.  But that's another thread...

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From: shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cut out this "ORIENTAL" stuff, just call me "Chink" (Was Re: ORIENTALS???????)
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:03:34 GMT
	<SHAW.92Aug12213647@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> <77742@ut-emx.uucp>
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science, Cambridge, Mass.

In article <77742@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
   In article <SHAW.92Aug12213647@whopper.lcs.mit.edu>, shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:

   > It is clear that the difference between "Asian" and "Oriental" is a
   > struggle to have the power to name ourselves, on our terms, with our
   > connotations.

   Who is this "we"?  It certainly doesn't include me.  I have no objection
   to the term "oriental."

   > In the long run, all the names that are used to
   > define us on their terms will be gone, and they will have to address us on
   > our terms.

   Again, who is this "we"?  

Who?

People like me, who cared about the difference and made a distinction
between the two.  I have no illusions about the unity of everyone with
yellow skin, Joe, and I make no claims of representing everyone who is a
so-called "Asian".

When I was in high school, I was called "gook" and "rice paddy", and I had
no objections at that time to those terms, so I know where you're coming
from Joe.  Now, I'm working my way back to not having those objections, but
for perhaps a very different reason.  So very soon, I may not object to
being called "chink", whereas you may.  Or may not.

Yours in Chinkiness,

Andy
From: angeli@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:31:41 PDT
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

In article <1992Aug12.183617.21725@inmet.camb.inmet.com>, lrq@fanny (Robert Quan) writes:
> 
> Why is it that a majority of the non-orientals (caucasians) that post here
> all tend to have an optimistic view on racism.  
> How can anyone who doesn't know what it feels like to be harassed based on
> there race/culture understand.
> It seems to me that anyone lacking first hand experience at being the
> receiving end of extreme racism and be able to offer advice hypocrites.
> 
>     Robert

I disagree.  Someone (can't recall who right this second) else has said
in the past week that *sometimes* an outsider has a better perspective
because they're objective and not in the middle of things.  I'm not
saying that this is necessarily true of racism, but implying "that anyone
lacking first hand experience at being the receiving end of extreme
racism" cannot possibly understand and therefore should not give advice
is not helpful.  It's hard to understand the points being said because
there is so much garbage and name-calling around.  But this is a forum
for discussion and we're all (hopefully) learning from this.  Calling
people hypocrites because they offer some advice is adding to the
garbage.

It's difficult to educate people, esp. if they haven't had or are not
bound to have the same experiences, but it's not impossible.  I also feel
that people can (have the potential to) care about certain issues without
being on the receiving end of the "victimization," if you will.  People
don't have to be survivors of child abuse to understand what a horrible
crime and violation it is.  They may not *fully* understand, but people
can sympathize with it.  Some people may even be angered enough by it to
*do* something about it.  Maybe the people reading this newsgroup would
be angered enough about racism to do something about it.

--
Angeli Salgado - INFO COMM Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca
E-MAIL:	angeli@infocomm.com
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Kennedys (was Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions)
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:50:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug19.232323.648@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <78000@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>>In article <Bt562o.Gp4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu) writes:
>>>Nice how those immigrants were able to find their way into
>>>the elite and become "the royal family of the USA". Say, you
>>>don't think it might have been harder if they were black, or
>>>yellow do ya? 
>>
>>Why should it have been?  
>
>You're kidding, right?

What I was asking were the factors that allowed Irish immigrants to
become part of the "U.S. elite" and how was that different from black
and yellow people?

The main factor seemed to have been that the Irish were able to gain
(and keep) control of the political systems in some major U.S. cities,
despite the opposition of the then Anglo-Saxon elite.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Surviving in a White Man's world
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:30:53 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <l90103INNerg@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>
>Robert Quan writes:
>>
>>    Point 1:  Why is it that the media always associate an asian as a
>>              foreigner and not an American.  There are Orientals in this
>>              country that can trace their roots back to the 1800's.  Yet,
>>              when an oriental meets a non oriental, the non oriental always
>>              ask "what country he/she is from" and "compliments him/her on
>>              excellent English"
>
>I've never gotten this question from a "non oriental".  The only
>people who have ever asked me about my English have been immigrants
>from other countries, say, South America or other places.  Maybe it's
>in the way you carry youself, or maybe people in California with its
>tremendous mix of cultures just assume that most people do speak
>English.

Anita may never have been asked this or has been complimented on her English
but I have plenty of times right here in San Diego, California where I was
born and raised.  I rarely take offense.  It only bothers me when the person
telling me this does not speak as well as I do.

There is a great variety of cultures and ethnicities here in San Diego
but I have observed many people who are born and raised in San Diego
who speak English poorly because they usually socialized with people of
their own
ethnic group and spoke the mother tongue.  This is particularly
prevalent in the Hispanic community.  Actually, I have only observed this
phenomenon in the Hispanic community in San Diego.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: The Asian-American Community
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:58:53 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <9208172125.AA15527@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> russil%idacom.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com writes:
>But this does not mean that we -- Asian-Americans, that is -- have *no*
>common interests, experiences, or values.

But do Asian-Americans have any common interests, experiences, or
values that Americans in general and minorities in particular do not?

I don't think so.

>Because we all look the same, we have a common interest in preventing
>attacks on any of us.

To create a community that exists solely because "we look the same"
(and we don't) and we have ancestors who come from the same
geographical region seems quite absurd.  Isn't the whole point to have
a society in which looks don't matter?

>For example,
>I think almost all second-generation Asian-Americans have to deal with being
>what Chinese call a "banana":  being Asian on the outside, but American
>on the inside.

My perspective may be different because I've never had that problem.
I can switch back and forth between "white American" and "Chinese"
modes, and when I'm in Chinese mode, it's fairly difficult to figure
out that I was born in the United States if I don't say anything
that's longer than thirty seconds.
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Economics of Discrimination Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:31:33 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
|
|Boy that sounds suspiciously like one of those nonsensical conservative 
|economic arguments against affirmative action. "If one company discriminates,
|its going to cost X amount more to operate. Then they're going to lose to
|the competition. Therefore, in a free market, there cannot be any 
|discrimination. And I have the Econometric model to PROVE it." Yeah right.

Actually, that's kind of true in many cases (professional sports,
on the player level, is one example).  But if the discriminated
against minority is small, then the cost to the discriminator (i.e. not
employing the best people, etc.) may be small enough that it would not
be noticed.

However, in some cases, economic forces may pressure an employer into
racial discrimination.  For example, suppose a restaurant opens
someplace and then finds out that 90% of the population has KKK attitudes
and will not go to the restaurant if there are black cooks or waiters.

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From: nbyram@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Byram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Accountability, or rather, Andy's lack of it.
Date: 17 Aug 1992 19:55:59 GMT
Organization: Berkeley Political Indoctrination Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu
Summary: Make Andy accountable--beat on him.
Keywords: Just go punch him out, JJ.

In article <23431@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon) writes:
>In article <SHAW.92Aug11021118@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>
>>because
>>he is afraid that people he will meet in the future will know the beliefs
>>he holds because of the actions of his past.

No, because he is afraid the people he will meet in the future will 
believe the lies coming out of miserable neo-communist mealy-mouths 
like you.

>>There would be a hell of a lot less KKK members, if they didn't go around
>>wearing those hoods and hiding their identities -- people will say and do
>>anything if they are not held accountable in real life.

Here we go again--the slanderous crap. Someone needs to hold you 
accountable for your lying.

>Andy Shaw has a long record of deliberately creating dissention in 
>this newsgroup.  He has done so several times before, and I've
>taken him to task for it before.  He has embarked on this pointless
>personal attack because I've cut his argument off at the beginning
>when he came back and tried to spread his hatred again.

But JJ, I think you should do more than just respond to his ceaseless 
lying.  How far is the drive from Jersey to Boston? I personally think
Andy Shaw should be held personally accountable for his lies--with a 
good beating. A baseball bat or hammer to the forehead can do wonders 
to clear up his thinking. It's also harder to tell lies when one's 
nose and jaw are broken.

Then again, by that standard, Noam Chomsky (Khmer Rouge apologist),
also at MIT, should be taken out and beaten...

Sigh.  If only I could get out of school and work and afford plane 
fare for a while... 

Nick Byram 
Academic Multi-culturalism is the New Communist Propaganda.
Peel away the "People of Color" rhetoric, and we only find one color--Red.
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What Separates Us?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:48:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug14.150852.28707@nynexst.com>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jlw@gestalt.austin.tx.us (James Waldrop)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:20:47 GMT

Excuse the French and all, but:

rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>But some dorks whine for the sake of whining.  Those dorks should
>Well, YOU whine quite a bit too you know. 

Let's see how many people I can offend.

Orientals(tm) whining about racism.  Stupid White Boys(tm) whining about
the Orientals(tm) whining.  Orientals(tm) whining about the Stupid White
Boys(tm) whining.  Everyone(tm) whining about Everyone Else(tm) whining.

Sheeeyit.

Sulam
(sprinkle liberally with smileys, then simmer until lukewarm)
-- 
James Waldrop
jlw@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu

I walk along the path muttering about signs and portents.
From: jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Rapid Fire
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:29:22 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


	This isn't a movie review ( it isn't out as of this posting ),
	but I saw Brandon Lee on the Jay Leno show last night, and
	wanted to encourage folks out there who aren't fans of
	Kung Fu/Terminator type films to give this guy a chance.
	( Hey, I hate those kind of movies myself!)
	Mr. Lee has a great personality and is not your typical
	fucked-up star kid.  He's cool and confident without being
	spoiled and arrogant, as you might expect.  Also he's
	very thoughtful and has some interesting things to say
	about being asian american.  Although he is making karate
	films, I think he'll change the perception of AAM's by
	a large number of people.  ( Warning:  AAM's prepare for  
	CF bimbo eruptions. :-) )

	There was an film clip that looked pretty good.  The fight
	scene was very creative, and Lee has that kind of Harrison Ford
	or Don Johnson quality of expressing fear and exhaustion when
	he's confronted with a well armed creep.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asean
From: shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:23:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BtAwrw.LJ5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:

>In article <1lf-Fm+@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.134459.24076@natinst.com> Osbert Tan, fellow@natinst.com writes:
>>>My question to the net is, how do you deal with this type of situation
>>>(i.e. racial slur), at the same time coming out of it with honor/dinity
>>>(you fill in the appropriate word(s)) intact and ALIVE ?
>>>
>>>-Osbert
>>
>>Why would one need to defend his honor from those type of guys anyways?  
>>

>Because if you don't defend yourself, you will lose your self-respect.  
>Because if you don't defend yourself, these people will feel free to 
>do the same thing again and again to you and to others.
>Because if you don't defend yourself, the world believes that you
>will lie quietly whenever you're stepped on.

>Osbert's post did not have a lot of details on the murder.  But, from
>the few he gave I think the real question is:

>How could he do anything but defend himself?

>>The
>>Vietnamese guy's actions were probaly just what the thugs wanted.  Sometimes,
>>"restraint is the better part of valore."  I can understand the "heat of the
>>moment," I've been in that position plenty of times myself.  But when you
>>are 19, in Med-school and surrounded by 10+ losers, defending your honor
>>is a senseless and a lost cause because it will do you no good (and it didn't).  
>I'm certain you do not intend this, but this paragraph makes it sound
>as if you're blaming the victim.  You can't expect everyone to show
>"restraint" when attacked.  If this young man had not been lynched,
>someone else would have been.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Vincent Chan and James Lo had been. I do not want to be the next.



>John D.
From: lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Surviving in a White Man's world
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:52:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <l90103INNerg@news.bbn.com> ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>
>Robert Quan writes:
>>
>>    Point 1:  Why is it that the media always associate an asian as a
>>              foreigner and not an American.  There are Orientals in this
>>              country that can trace their roots back to the 1800's.  Yet,
>>              when an oriental meets a non oriental, the non oriental always
>>              ask "what country he/she is from" and "compliments him/her on
>>              excellent English"
>
>I've never gotten this question from a "non oriental".  The only
>people who have ever asked me about my English have been immigrants
>from other countries, say, South America or other places.  Maybe it's
>in the way you carry youself, or maybe people in California with its
>tremendous mix of cultures just assume that most people do speak
>English.

This is true.  I've only been complimented on my English when I used
to live in Arizona, where there is a very small Asian population, and
a majority of the peopel are retired (i.e. *old*).  Grew up among whites,
I almost had a cultural shock when I first moved to Southern California
because there are so many Asians here.

I supposed that for an American-born Asian, being asked what country
he/she is from can be offensive.  But one can always reply, "United
States.  What about you?"  :)  Perhaps a better question to ask is
"what is your background?" or "what is your ancestry?"  It's a
reasonable question, since most people in the US are not native
Americans.

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
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