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From: toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: the courceracer is dead?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:56:37 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.windsurfing, stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen) writes:
>
> Next year you might see several cource slalom boards beat the Equipe in
> marginal conditions in the funboard class (wind limit 11 knots before start,
> and not under 9 knots during the race).

	I just read that the wind minimum for racing is being lowered.
	The new wind minimum will be 9 knots.  If there has been no
	racing during an event, the minimum on the last day will be 
	lowered to 7 knots.  

	Another change will be with course layouts.  New layouts will
	be more diverse with mark positioning primarily with spectators
	in mind.  

	This will most probably bring back the course board to pro racing.  
	I don't know which organization or how widespread these changes are,
	but THE major US race - the Corpus Christi US Open - will be this
	way.

	tom.
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: American Windsurfing Industries Association (AWIA)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:14:09 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel

The AWIA held their show last weekend at Fort Mason in San Francisco.
Did anyone out there in netland attend the show?

-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: keith@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Keith Millar)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Is there Baja wind in December?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:48 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.

I am thinking about heading to Baja for a windsurfing safari in the December 
January time frame (like Dec26-Jan4) and am looking for some information from
people who have been there. 

Specifically, When is the good wind season in Baja? I've heard that the wind 
has been lower that usual the last 2 winters, but is the end of December the 
best time to expect wind? 

Also, if there are any 'Don't Miss' spots I would love to hear about them. 


Thanks in advance,


Keith Millar
keith@hp-ptp.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ortiz@susan.cs.andrews.edu (Victor Ortiz)
Subject: Re: Puerto Rico---Any good spots?
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:31:56 GMT

Ted:

I am a windsurfer from Puerto Rico now living in Michigan.  Here is the
info you wanted:

Wave sailing: 

Go to Shacks in Isabela.  This is on the Northwestern side of the
island.  It has been compared to Maui.  It is also very close to some of
the best surfing spots on the island.

The local surf and windsurf shop there is "El Rincon", (809) 890-3108.
They can let you know if they rent equipment and give you phone numbers of
places to stay.  

Slalom:

Go to La Parguera in San German.  This is on the Southwestern side of
the island.  It is great for slalom sailing and there are many little
islands and mangroves so it is a lot of fun to sail around exploring.
I use a 4.9 or a 6.0 here.

The local windsurf and fishing shop is "Velasurf", (809) 899-3030 and
(809) 899-4698.  They rent cabins but I do not know if they rent equipment.  

The local expert is Eddie, also known as Gordo.  He works in the shop.

>

Another good place for slalom is Bahia Sucia in Cabo Rojo.  This is
also on the Southwestern side of the island.  It is not well known
because it is hard to get at.  But I can tell you it is my favorite
spot and well worth going there.  I use my 4.9 sail there usually.   

If you want to go, you can get instructions from a friend of mine.  His
name is Carlos Flores and his phone is (809) 833-1404.

Slalom + Wave ?: 

Go to El Condado in San Juan.  I put a question mark because I have
never sailed here, but I hear you can do both kinds of sailing here.
But, I hear from people that have that it is not better than the other
spots.  It does have the advantage of being near the airport and it is
the capital of P.R.

The local shop is Velasurf, (809) 725-8151.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Windsurfer magazine had a description of windsurfing destinations
once.  You might want to call them and see if they can send you that
back issue.  I do not know which one it is.  If you can bring you own
stuff.  I got along fine with a 4.9 and a 6.0 sail.  My weight : 170,
height : 5'9" 

By the way, when are you going to Puerto Rico?  Let me know, I might
be there.

Good luck, Victor Ortiz...























!
From: hudackoe@conebeam.crd.ge.com (E.A. Hudacko)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Puerto Rico---Any good spots?
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:09:57 GMT
Reply-To: hudackoe@elvis.crd.ge.com
Followup-To: rec.windsurfing
Organization: GE Corporate Research and Development

Does anyone out there have any information regarding windsurfing in Puerto
Rico?  I am interested in knowing good launch and sailing spots, the
conditions throughout the year, and whether there are any businesses 
there catering to the needs of the windsurfing public.  Any information
or contacts will be most appreciated.


----------------------------------------|--------------------------------------
"Now we've finally seen George Bush's	| Ted Hudacko
thousand points of light."---Rep.	| Computer Engineer/Rocket Scientist
Barbara Boxer, during a not-so-recent 	| GE Corporate Research & Development
trip to riot-torn South Central LA.     | hudackoe@conebeam.crd.ge.com
----------------------------------------|--------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Re: How's the Explosion??? 
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.192409.1004@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807) writes:
|> I am interested in buying an Explosion. I have not had
|> a chance to demo one yet. Are you sure that you can
|> put a 7.2 sail on it?
|> 
|> --- Bruce
|> 
It's an exellent board (I am forced to say so :-)). Honestly speeking, I like 
the board very much. Some sailors have used 7.5 m^2 courceracing sails and
had no problem controlling it. But the new 7.2 cource-slalom sails are
specially designed for this type of board, so if you are going to buy new
sails that's what you should buy. The 6.7 works fine too.

Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north :-)
-- 
//// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
/// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
// University of Tromsoe             //    Telefax: +47 83 44580       ///
/ N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY            //                                ////
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Chris Bigenwald)
Subject: Re: Winter Sailing Destinations?
Reply-To: cjb3701@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.194505.28451@SSD.intel.com>, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>There's a guy up here (Gorge area) who coordinates windsurfing trips
>for himself and friends.  His favorite destination was Aruba before
>the hotels went up.
>

Speaking of Aruba.....I was there this summer (it was great) and had the uneasy
feeling that the Fisherman's Huts area is getting squeezed out by new hotels
on the northern end of Palm Beach.

Since the wind is offshore this really kills the wind for a long way out. Is
it possible that this might become an "ex-windsurfing" spot?  It would be
nice (but I would guess unlikely) if they stopped development in that area.
For now I still have my memories of my harness ripping in half on a big
gust and blisters on my fingers....

- Chris
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: October Gorge Report
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:05:49 GMT

Roger Christal (rogerc@ssd.intel.com) wrote:
>In article <1992Oct14.002527.22621@sj.ate.slb.com> noble@sj.ate.slb.com () writes:
>
>>The Columbia River Gorge blows in October.  Rumors that the Gorge shuts down
>>when the Bay Area does are WRONG!
>
>The biggest winds in the Gorge are the easterlies.  They are in
>abundance from October through March.  I sailed 7 days in January and
>February, never seeing a sail larger than 4.0 until mid-March.

A couple of quick questions:

What do people wear at the Gorge during these months? I have an O'Neil
Solo (4/3 one piece) and am wondering whether that would be enough.

What's the likelihood of wind on a given day? I don't mean nuclear wind; I
just need enough to more or less power up a 4.5 or even a 5.0.

What's the weather like at that time of the year in the Gorge wrt rain. As
most PNWers know, winter can be a bit on the wet side; is it like that at
the Gorge as well?

Thanks
-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
{ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: small chop hops
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:04:20 GMT
Keywords: hops

In article <moni.718546264@lexus> moni@siemens.com. (Monica Hutchins) writes:
>
>Are even small jumps dangerous to big boards?
>

It depends on the board. Most recreational boards can take small jumps
well. However, course racing boards may buckle if landed wrong. I've never
experienced this but I have a 1993 Mega Cat. It is pretty fragile in the
nose area. If I were to land a 4 foot jump on the nose at high speeds I
would expect the nose to crack. I suspect this may be more predictable
for larger sailors. I weigh 165 lbs.

>If I were successful in getting the board in the air again, 
>am I asking for major injuries?

Now that is probably more predictable. Larger boards are more difficult
to handle in the air. I can't imagine attempting a tabletop with my 12
foot course board (I've yet to do a good one on my 8'6). The problem is 
the board is to heavy (big) to control reliably in big air. 

Big boards will not get as high as smaller boards. If the wind and the ramp
are right you may get a decent jump. When you go up you will have only seconds 
to control the board before landing. If you go up sideways you probably will 
land sideways. Also, bigger boards tend to nose land and submarine (pearl)
more often (good way to snap an ankle).

Use caution, avoid high jumps. I badly stretched (partial tear) both my ankle 
ligaments a few years back on a leeward rail landing. I did that on a 9'2 board.
I had trouble controlling it in high flight. It took a year for the
ankles to completely heal.


-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: pmb@geosys.co.uk (Pete Bochel)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing in the Greek Islands??
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:43:18 GMT
Reply-To: pmb@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

In article <5354@sumax.seattleu.edu>, bedard@sumax.seattleu.edu (Duane
Bedard) writes:
> 
> So international travelers, whats the deal here?  Was this just a strange
> occurence of wind in a normally dead area?  Does anybody do high wind (at
> least 15 kts) sailing in the Greek islands?  If so are there places to rent
> quality boards which I missed?  Which islands are the windiest?   I would
> love to hear from anybody who has ever windsurfed in the area.  Thanks!
> 


I have a weather/sea book which has some windtables in the back. 
There seems to be some really windy places in the Eastern Med and I
mean a lot windier than the places you here about (such as Vassiliki, 
Biritz (sp?), Rhodes, etc)

The tables I have show places with force 5-8 for about 90% of days. Some
of these places also have a lot of strongs winds early in the day (7-9AM).

So why do we never hear of such places? Maybe windsurfers are generally 
like sheep or do we just never hear about the odd adventurer finding new 
locations ??
There must be hundreds of good locations out there.

I have never gone myself because I am always looking for waves but I have
heard recently found out that the Mediterain (sp) does get waves.
Does anyone out there know of any spots (and the time of year) that get 
reliable wave conditions ?


If anyone is interested I can type in the statistics for a few spots.


-----
Peter Bochel
pmb@geosys.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: dwabra@watson.ibm.com (David Abraham)
Subject: Re: replacement of Mistral mast foot/extension (cleat)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:46:16 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598

If you are talking about the older style Mistral mast base, with a red
plastic plate which clips into the mast track car, I would HIGHLY
recommend that you replace the car with the new style.  In my
experience if you have the old style it WILL wear out, with the
consequence that every so often you find the board and rig separate
from each other.  It's tough to get it back together on the water in
adverse conditions.  The car is about $20 US and you can do it
yourself.  (Get some extra shock cord).  There also is a new pin to
put in the universal, and that'll cost a few bucks too.
Alternatively, you can use a Windsurfing Hawaii style base in the
newer tracks and bag Mistral stuff altogether.  Altogether a much
better arrangement!

--
David Abraham            dwabra@watson.ibm.com
IBM T.J. Watson Research Laboratory
(914) 945-2573
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ekoperen@cs.vu.nl (Koperen van EB)
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:21:33 GMT

bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:

>I like the forsale adds too. They give you an idea of how much used
>equipment goes for. This is the kind of info you can use locally when
>shopping around.

>bruno.

OK but how about this:
I live in Europe ( Holland to be precise ), and i do get these messages too.
WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT? don't expect me to buy a board sold in the US.

Personaly I don't mind reading those forsale articles, i can skip them if i 
want to, can't i? ,but people with some inteligence will see that it 
doesn't harm if you don't post outside your continent.

Greetz, Ekoperen.
-- 

					Out of ideas error.

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: WETSUIT FOR SALE was Cold weather suits (longish)
Keywords: rubbermaid
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:55:19 GMT

***Respond to wolf@hydro.stanford.edu, NOT wolf@leland****

Speaking of COLD WEATHER Suits, I have a perfect match for a big guy.

BRAND NEW - Never used - Tags still on

HOTLINE (made in Santa Cruise)  3/4/5 X-Large  $200

Cross zipper across the front - great for movement
It's not a "dry-suit" but apparently it doesn't leak much.

I Paid $250 but it looks like I'm not gonna get much sailing in this fall
and I need the $$$$ rather than the trade in at Windsurf Warehouse

I'm 6 feet and weigh 195# (before dinner)

Andy

wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
(415) 723-0315
(415) 949-2359
From: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Winter Sailing Destinations?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:46:55 GMT
Reply-To: gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

Now that my wife has decided she likes windsurfing better than skiing,
we are looking for a good sailing destination this winter.

Number one criteria is, of course, wind.  Warm air and water temperature 
are fairly important (sorry Stig, this rules out Norway).  Interesting 
cultures, wild life and good hiking would be nice as well.  Nightlife
is unimportant as we'll hopefully ignore it anyway, being too exausted 
from sailing all day.

We went to Maui 2 years ago.  We only got 3 so-so sailing days, 
but had a blast the rest of the time hiking, snorkelling, boogie boarding,
etc.  So we probably want to try something different this year.  Baja
is a possibility, but they had a terrible season last winter from what
I gather.  Australia would be nice, but kind of far for just a week.

Any other ideas or experiences to share?  Where's the wind go in the winter 
anyway?  Looking forward to good tips and discussions.

thanks!
-joel
From: keith@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Keith Millar)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:54:17 GMT
Subject: For Sale: Intr. Windsurfing Pkg.
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing


			Cool Windsurfing Package for Sale


Board -  F2 Comet about 3 yrs old in great shape. It is a 10'7" transition
	 board with foot straps and retractable dagger. I also have an extension
	 and two bases (one for the F2 extension and one with gorilla base cup).

Sail  -  Simmer 5.0 fully battened with mast and windsurf hawaii booms. The
	   booms have two sets of extensions.

Optional Upgrades: two piece North mast
		   windsurf hawaii harness
		   wet suit - full suit, in good shape

This setup is intermediate level gear and/or for someone who might have some
skills to learn but doesn't want to be stuck with beginner equipment.

With out the optional stuff, the complete, ready-to-sail setup is worth
about $550-600 -  so make me an offer.

 	 Call 408 249 7679, ask for Keith, and you'll be sailing soon!

	 ( I live in Santa Clara, CA  (South Bay Area))
From: dphillip@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dan Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Isabella Lake
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:37:11 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


I need to find out what the best months for windsurfing are at Isabella Lake 
in the southern Sierra Nevada mountains.  Is it good in the Fall?  What
are the indicators for wind there (i.e. any windtalkers, or weather 
phenomena to look for like clearing winds, etc.).  What are the fees, if 
any, for windsurfing at the lake?



Dan
internet: dphillip@nemesis.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: replacement of Mistral mast foot/extension (cleat)
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:43:26 GMT

A friend of mine broke his Mistral mast foot in the middle of the ocean. I 
have sailed for years without that happening, but I don't trust the plastic
part of the Mistral mast foot/extension any longer. I have noticed that the
plastic part can be removed, but haven't seen any replacements that would
fit. Have any of you netters heard of, or seen, a metal replacement that 
fits into the Mistral mast foot/extension, or do I have to buy new ones?

Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north :-)
-- 
//// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
/// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
// University of Tromsoe             //    Telefax: +47 83 44580       ///
/ N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY            //                                ////
From: colas@trinidad.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Jumping -  Port/Starboard
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:09:11 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Oct1.194523.29330@SSD.intel.com>, rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger
Christal) writes:
|> I know that on skate boards and snow boards some people like one foot in 
|> front and other people are opposite.  For those of you that do crossover
|> sports, does your good jumping side correspond to which foot you like 
|> forward?  

I think it is totally unrelated. Jumping is a coordination of the whole body,
perhaps with more importance to the arms, where in surfing your back foot makes
all the work in turns.

So I think it for jumping you are just more at ease on the side you practice
the more. (I am a regular foot but I am more confortable jumping starboard, I
think it is because I am right-handed and the most important hand is the front
one, and the most important foot is the rear one, thus I am more confortable
surfing port).

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Re: wind commeth!
Reply-To: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: nj
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:05:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.124411.10630@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:
|> 
|> NJ will be rocking again tommorrow! South winds by afternoon at 20-25 knots.
|> Get those small sails tuned and ready once again. So far looks like a good
|> weekend. I'll know for sure tomorrow.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
|> AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
|> Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"

At 1pm the center of the cyclone was over upper Michigan and
headed North. I am hoping that the cold front over the Canadian 
Rockies deflects it to the east so we get some wind out of this
thing. Otherwise it looks like 20 knots at most. All the wind 
seems to be north of the Ohio river at the moment, but I am still 
hopeful. 

Ned
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:00:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: North Flex Top ... +++++ RUMORS!!!!!
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Sounds like the North, NP and Gaastra bashing the Bruce Peterson does in a
recent mag. interview is very justified.  

Kirk out

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:17:14 GMT
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.

In article <74100164@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com> poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton) writes:
>> Maybe what you actually mean is
>> "Race sailors can handle a wider rage than rec sailors"
>> because race sailors are used to the rigors of controlling rigid-foil race
>> sails?
>
>Not at all.  I'm only intermediate, but I immediately found that
>race sails are *easier* to control in gusty/overpowered conditions.
I moved to North Prizma's this year and can confirm this.
>
>Race sails have lots of cambers and a rigid design generally to hold the
>shape of the draft and keep the center of effort from moving back in the
>sail in a gust.  I don't think they really spill wind because once the
>sail is powered and the mast bends sideways (downwind), the floppy
>leach is no longer floppy.  The result is that instead of a gust
I do not understand this, when a gust hits me on my 6.0 Prizma I
can look up and see the sail twist off. The twist is very noticable
and therefore the WIND must be spilled. I have heard of Speed Sails
which have many many cambers ( 8 or so ) that have a very narrow
wind range and are extremely rigid. Are these the sails we are
talking about here that do not spill wind? 
>
>Ken Poulton
>poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com


gerard