From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Subject: Re: All the people (was Re: Embarrassed
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:47:14 GMT

From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: The definition of life (was Re: All the people (was Re: Embarrassed)
Reply-To: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com

In article <Nm7cPB1w164w@opus.mcds.com> speers@opus.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers)  
writes:

[original post and my reply deleted]

>   Just to make one point, yes sex is an activity, however, eating
> drinking & breathing are required to keep a person alive.  Sex is
> only "required" to produce more of us - beyond that, for pleasure.
> 
>   Sex is natural and is to many (like myself) very personal & 
> private, not something to display to the world.  I think that the
> two issues of public nudity & public sex are different topics,
> because as stated by others, you don't have to be nude to have
> sex - it just so happens, most usually are.
> 
>   Nudists/Naturists (like myself) are simply looking for places
> to be nude - not to have sex at.  I'm just saying that if there
> is to be a social battle for public sex, please don't impose
> upon my non-sex nude beach.  If the PS people want to have sex
> on the beach, ask officials for a PS beach.  The same reasoning
> exists in trying to get nude beaches.  There are fishing beaches,
> surfing beaches, dune buggy, bird watching, etc.
> 

I never thought my little post would generate such reactions.  I am not starting  
a battle for public sex (though I see nothing wrong with it).  And I will say  
again, life is much larger than one person's individual existence, so sex is  
necessary to sustain life.

People have come to realize (some more than others) in the last few years that  
we as humans are part of our environment, and as it sustains us, we sustain it.   
If the environment changes, we change, and if we change, the environment  
changes.  Therefore, taken to its logical extreme, human life is the whole  
universe (because our environment is everthing other than ourselves), and the  
whole universe is human life.  So, if we do not have sex to produce more humans,  
life as it now exists will no longer be.  This is true whether or not you  
believe that the universe continues after you die, because, defining life as I  
have above, and humans being in the universe, humans are necessary for life as  
it exists now.  If the humans go away, life as it exists now is no more.   
Something else might exist, but it must be something different because there are  
no humans.  I haven't put this very well (it would take a lot more bandwidth to  
say it right), but I think you can get the gist of the argument.

There is a further extreme to which this can go, which is to say that every  
instant is an entirely new universe because any change no matter how small means  
that everything everywhere is changed.  But it is not necessary to go that far  
to understand that life is not just your own ego inside your own bag of skin.

Enough on this - like any good student of Zen, I don't like to talk this much,  
but I felt I had to explain in more detail what I meant.  If anyone wants to  
continue this thread, let's do it via e-mail.

Thanx,
Michael

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