HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.154349.24614@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>The obligation to God is clear; Jews do NOT marry non-Jews, period.
>If that isn't enough, then a person shouldn't be so selfish as to
>ignore the devastating effect such a marriage will have on her
>parents.  In the extreme case, the parents can declare the child dead
>and go through the appropriate mourning rituals; is any child so
>wicked as to put his or parents through that?

Imagine a parent who converts to Christianity.  If the child refuses to
convert, the parent may think the child's soul in danger, react as though the
child is dead, etc.  According to your reasoning, the child should convert
to Christianity.

The flaw, of course, is that the parent's reaction may in either case have
been precipitated by the child's decision, but is nevertheless a reaction for
which, if negative, the parent and not the child are responsible for.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tay-Sachs
Date: 27 Sep 92 04:53:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I read somewhere that there are two distinct groups that are affected
by Tay-Sachs.  Jews of Ashkenazi descent and French Canadians (usually in
Quebec) are the groups.  I'm not making this up at all.  If anybody has
any info on the subject, please share it.  Are these two versions of the
same disease or what?  Also, how can a person be tested to see if he/she
is a Tay-Sachs carrier?
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re:  * Jesus Christ? *
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:19:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct2.122623.26063@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@gypsum.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>2.  The messiah is supposed to bring an era of peach among all men.

Aha! Now I understand why Isaiah talks about turning swords into plows: so we
can all become peach farmers!

(But do you really need plows to grow trees?  Perhaps further study is needed.)

   Robert
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:09:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.084748.25758@dxcern.cern.ch> michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper) writes:
>Roger Lustig writes:
>>In article <1992Oct2.134742.17846@sarah.albany.edu> pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:

>>>  I believe that the same is true about Israel.  I can live there
>>>for ages and it won't make me a Jew.

>>Huh?  You can live there and become an Israeli, though, with full
>>citizenship.  

>Like, for instance, the Palestinians?  Is that the best example of
>"full citizenship" in Israel?

An excellent one, yes.  Many Palestinian Arabs are in fact full citizens
of Israel.  Some sit in the Parliament.

If you're referring to those in the occupied territories, that is, alas,
another matter.  One that Israel is not, however, entirely to blame for.
Had its neighbors not launched several wars of annihilation against it,
things might not be so bad.

Roger

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Subject: Re: let's stop that nonsense,
Reply-To: pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu
Organization: SUNYA School of Public Health, Albany, NY
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.4304.24179@dosgate>, robert.winkler@canrem.com (robert winkler) writes:
>
>    Andrzej, you're perfectly right in one respect: it's really nonsense
>to argue. It's even more, HOPELESS. Having followed most of this
>argument, I can clearly conclude TWO facts:
>1) Poles actively participated in atrocities against the Jews during &
>   AFTER the war; their participation was on such a large scale that it,
>   in certain respects, perfectly justifies the claim of their
>   anti-semitic nature in certain periods of history (including present)
>
[...]
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

  It seems to me that the idea that a nation can have evil, anti-semitic,
you-name-it nature is one of the pillars of racist ideology.

                                       Pawel Penczek
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: On relativity of sources
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:27:13 CDT


In article <1992Oct6.174522.4804@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> avr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (adam.v.reed) writes:
>
>In "The War of the Doomed" Krakowski documents the fate of another
>Communist, von Kleindorf, who took over a GL unit that included
>several Jews. After von Kleindorf ordered the murder of several
>Jews, he was shot by a Jew from his own unit. The fact that G&K
>("Unequal Victims") goes easy on the Communists may have to do
>with the political sympathies of its other author.
>
>				Adam_V_Reed@ATT.com

I do not think that entire problem is in that whether somebody
goes easy on Communists or not. It is well known history that
large wave of immigration from Poland that took place in 1956 was 
joined by many members of cruel security force UB that was dissolved
then.  Certainly they were interested in falsification of the history the same
way as SS would be, if could. I remember people released
in 1956 from UB who were tortured and waited for execution,
they were talking about those practices as part of fight with the
Polish anti-Semitism. Also interesting part of entire story is a letter
from Palestinian Jews to Polish Jews warning them not to join UB.
Unfortunately many, I would say too many did not follow that
good advice.

A. Mazur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:33:34 GMT

pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:
#
#  I believe that the same is true about Israel.  I can live there
#for ages and it won't make me a Jew.

No, but it will make you an Israeli.

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon)
Subject: Re: I need a GOOD ulpan
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:34:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep22.203609.1340@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.200832.17854@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@sapphire.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>>
>>I am looking for a GOOD ulpan to learn Hebrew.
>>
>>I am applying to the Technion (Engineering School in Israel) to start 
>>a graduate degree in Mechanical Engineering in March of '94.
>>
>>My current level of Hebrew was learned on the streets of Ben-Yehuda,
>>and I need to be able to attend lectures in Hebrew at the Technion,
>>if (BIG "if") I get accepted.
>>
>>I have all next summer (summer of '93) free.
>>
>>I want to try to do this as cheaply as possible, but I am willing
>>to go further into debt if necessary.
>>
>>I would also prefer to do the ulpan in Israel, but again $1000
>>(for the flight) is a lot of money!
>>
>>If anyone has general information about such programs, please post 
>>whatever you have.
>>[...]
>
>Gedaliah, mazal tov!
>
>I'm not sure it would fit your needs schedule-wise, but please consider
>a Kibbutz Ulpan.  Many are organized on an "ulpan avodah" basis, which
>means you work half time and attend classes half-time.  Of course,
>while you are working, you are conversing in Hebrew with your chevrei,
>so it's *very* reinforcing.

I have also been looking for ulpanim, however my advisor (an Israeli)
advised me not to choose a kibbutz ulpan because they are more
interseted in teaching you to pick oranges than teaching you Hebrew.
I don't know this for sure but that is what my advisor told me.

>
>Some ulpanim are located on dati kibbutzim (I don't remember whether
>this is important to you).  I did an ulpan at Kibbutz S'de Eliyahu near
>Bet She'an in 1988 which I found to be a wonderful experience.
>
>Contact the Kibbutz Aliyah desk in New York (at the Jewish Agency
>offices? -- sorry, I don't have more exact info with me here at work).
>
>I'd love to hear what your final decision is.
>-- 
>
> |\/|  /_\  \/
> |  | /   \ /\                      Max.Stern@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com


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From: schubach@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (bernard william schubach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Trumpets vs. Shofars (Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:09:45 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <FAIGIN.92Oct2072732@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:48:36 GMT, norm@helix.nih.gov said:
>> I know of a Reform place in Balto, Md, that uses trumpets for shofar.  I
>> would guess that it would not make a difference whether or not it was
>> Shabbos.
>
>That's a new one on me. In all my years of going to Reform synagogues on RH
>and YK, I've seen only Shofars.

I quote from the Rosh Hashanah/Yom Kippur Survival Kit by Shimon Apisdorf,
Leviathan Press, copyright 1992 page 32:
Q:If you don't have a shofar will a trumpet or some other instrument suffice?
A:No. ... (reference to binding of Isaac).
Insights: (paraphrase)
We should consider what sacrifices we, like Abraham and Isaac,
would make, i.e. fighting for Israel, job opportunity vs. children's
Jewish education, giving up a month's pay to help settle Soviet Jews
in Israel.

BTW, I highly recommend this book, both for those knowledgeable
in Judaism and for those who aren't as knowledgeable.

Bernie... schubach@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion of an infant
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:38:58 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

In article <1992Sep25.152712.25856@nova.sarnoff.com> jms@vision.sarnoff.com writes:
>What is involved in the conversion of an infant to Judaism? Is it allowed at all?
>

My understanding, based on the experience of a friend a few years back,
is that a child can not really be converted, because he or she is not
of the age of consent (12 for girls, 13 for boys according to the usual
minhag).  In the case I know of, an O mohel circumsized a son born to a
Jewish father and non-Jewish mother on the strict condition that the
parents solemnly commit to (A) raising the child Jewishly, and (B)
converting him halachicly at age 13.
-- 

 |\/|  /_\  \/
 |  | /   \ /\                      Max.Stern@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tzom Gedalia
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:44:58 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish,world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <ALLEN.92Sep30111137@golem.ssc.gov>, allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen) writes:
>
> Any info (with references) on Gedalia ben Achikom and the politics of
> what lead up to his assisination?  I haven't been able to find more
> than a couple of sentences here and there.
> --
> K'tivah v'Chatima Tova!
>
> ===================================================
> But those who toiled knew nothing of the dreams of
>         Those Who Planned;
> And the minds who planned the Tower of Babel
>         Cared nothing for the workers who built it.
>
> 	-Metropolis

Gedaliah  was the prince appointed by the king of Babylonia as
governor of Judah after the destruction of the First Temple. He was
assassinated by Jewish zealots. Because of this, many of the Jews who had
not gone into Babylonian captivity moved to Egypt out of fear of the Babylonian
king.

Source: 2 Kings 25:22-27

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: kimel@werple.apana.org.au (Moishe Kimelman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: T'chelet: can anyone help this guy?
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:18:27 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au

moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:

>In article <1992Sep22.220228.10527@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org writes:

>>I. I. Ziderman of the Israel Fibers Institute published a number of 
>>articles over the past 10 years or so on the subject of tkhelet and argaman.
>>His conclusion is that the Radziner tkhelet is not the real thing.  Based on
>>their procedure and a chemical analysis, their material is prussian blue, an
>>inorganic dye.  He claims that true argaman is a dye known as tyrian purple,
>>a brominated indigo derivative, and that tkhelet is a mixture of the latter
>>and its unbrominated analog.

I know next to nothing about biology, but I do know that the dye
specified by the Radziner Rebbe zal comes from a species of shellfish.
How then can it be inorganic?

G'mar chatimah tovah

Moishe
From: kimel@werple.apana.org.au (Moishe Kimelman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew question
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:29:46 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au

friedenb@ruby.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:


>If the head of the year is Rosh HaShana...
>and the tourist spot near Haifa in Rosh HaNikra...
>Why is the head of the month Rosh Chodesh (instead of Rosh HaChodesh)?

The term Rosh Chodesh is merely a shortening of the phrase
Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan (or Kislev etc.).  Similarly, when referring to a
specific year, the correct terminology would be Rosh Shnat (the
"smichut" for Shanah) Taf Shin Nun Gimel.
The term Rosh Hachodesh is used in Tefillah when the name of the month
is not specified, e.g. in ya'aleh veyavo.

G'mar chatimah tovah
From: ari@netcom.com (Ari Davidow)
Subject: Re: Hebrew/Yiddish and WP 5.1
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:43:08 GMT

>Can someone tell me how to set up a WP 5.1 macro t use Hebrew characters?

>>There is an official WP Hebrew language module....

There is no easy way to set up a macro to edit Hebrew in WordPerfect.
WordPerfect's Hebrew module is from hunger (imho), but it =is= better
than trying to use a macro. You might be better off contacting a company
such as Kabbalah Software (kabbalah@israel.nysernet.org) which specializes
in Hebrew on PCs.

ari davidow
ari@well.sf.ca.us
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cross-dressing
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:40:11
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org's message of Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:16:47 GMT

On Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:16:47 GMT, edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
said: 
> The yarmulke is clearly a man's article of clothing with lace 
> head coverings being the feminine equivalent.  

Be careful with things that are "clearly" so. We have no explicit statement of
what is "mens" and "womens" clothing; furthermore, there are clothes that are
clearly dual purpose (such as blue-jeans). There are certain objects, such as
apropriately designed undergarments, that are gender-specific (men do not
likely need brassires; women are unlikely to use jockstraps), but even items
like skirts are not "women-only" (consider the Scottish kilt), and a blouse is
just another name for a shirt (except the buttons are on the other side). 

It may just be that religious attire is dual purpose. I would think the intent
of the passage would be that one should not attempt to present an image of
being of the opposite sex; I doubt a kippah would result in my mistaking a
woman for a man.

Daniel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: d89-mor@eval.nada.kth.se (Monika Orski)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Keywords: "The Protocols" ; Writing polish in scj
Reply-To: d89-mor@eval.nada.kth.se (Monika Orski)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:50:23 GMT

In article <matthew.717472103@munna>, matthew@.cs.mu.oz (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
|> d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski) writes:

 <stuff deleted>

|> >An example : I spent a weekend in Warsaw in march 1992. I happened to live in a
|> >hotel next to a church. The church had a bookshop. In the window of this bookshop
|> >I noticed "The Protocols of the Elders of Sion" (correct english name?) in polish.
|> >Polish friends told me the local priest of this church is known to be extremely
|> >anti-semitic. I saw quite a lot of people coming out of this church after mass on
|> >Sunday...
|> 
|> >   
|> >     m
|> 
|> 
|> >P.S.   PLAESE keep your postings to this group in english. I have a fair
|> >understanding of polish, I like the language, but shouldn't we keep our
|> >statements in a language all scj-readers understand? I also apologise for my own
|> >english grammer and spelling. It would be a lot better if I posted in swedish...
|> >:-)
|> 
|> I remember seeing some statistics saying that there are around 20000
|> jewish people in Poland.  Is your source more accurate? What is it?

I have updated my reading of late statistics. The official number is around
8000. I apologise. My point was not the actual number, but the fact that it is
coparatively small.

|> 
|> What does "a lot of people coming out of this church after mass on
|> Sunday" prove, except that most Poles are catholic, and that there are
|> too few churches in Poland for the number of People who want to use
|> them? Did you hear the priest talk at mass, even once? What did he
|> say?

To me there seems to be a lot of churches in Warsaw, but I could be wrong.

|> 
|> What was the content of the book you mention? Did you read it? Or do
|> you habitually judge books by their covers?

This book is a well-known falsificate, "proving" that the jews are trying to 
gain world hegemony. It was originally produced in Russia in the 19th century and has been used by anti-semites ever since. Maybe I confused you by not being sure about the correct english title. (The polish title - sorry about my spelling - is "Protokul mendrcow Siona".)
  Yes, I have read it (but not in Polish). Have you?

|> 
|> Have you ever talked with the priest who you say "is known to be
|> extremely anti-semitic", based merely on second-hand reports? Is he
|> really?  Maybe he is, but I'd like some evidence before I put him in
|> this category.

I have not talked to the priest. As I stated, this claim was not mine and I have
no other proof then the fact that the church was selling anti-semitic propaganda. That is why I did not want to give the address of this church (I do not remember the name).

|> 
|> 
|> MB


Shana Tova,

	m
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: pab1@quads.uchicago.edu (paul andrew braier)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Reply-To: pab1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:26:26 GMT

In article <9210012034.AA14344@po.CWRU.Edu> <<ejd3@po.cwru.edu>> writes:
> 
>    You cant convert to Judaism just for the sake 
>    of marrying somebody Jewish.
>     

From an Orthodox perspective the above statement is true, but is somewhat
misleading. 

I know several married couples in which one spouse converted after
the relationship had already started, but before the marriage. While
the ideal situation (in the opinion of the Orthodox) is for someone
to seek conversion for strictly internal-ideological reasons, they
will not turn down or refuse to see a mixed couple solely on the basis
of the "mixed couple" status.

In such a case, the conversion process will probably involve BOTH people
and will probably be somewhat extended in order to ensure sincerity.
These are just safeguards to prevent duplicity. The Rabbi who is involved
in the process decides when the time is right. From what I've heard,
when the conversion process is never finalized, it is almost always the
gentile who has had a change of heart.


Paul

-----------------------
Paul A. Braier
pab1@quads.uchicago.edu
From: mkrawitz@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Marc Krawitz)
Subject: Intermarriage
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:55:02 GMT

As a young, Jewish college student, I am tired of hearing about attempts
by other Jews to interfere with healthy, interracial and intercultural
relationships.  I believe that the needs and desires of the individual
come before those of his/her culture, and furthermore, I believe that
any attempts to undermine these rights are unethical.

I hope that other young Jews, like myself, realize that the stigma
of interracial relationships is quickly fading, along with the influence
of those who seek to protect the Jewish culture at ALL cost.

Additionally, I believe that interracial marriages and relationships are
a fundamental tool for reducing racism, since two cultures are forced
to learn about, and accept one another.

Judaism has a long and honorable history, and I am not attempting to
degrade it in any manner.  All I am saying is that Jews deserve a choice
in this matter, without having to endure harassment from friends, family,
or colleagues.

For those of you involved in interracial relationships, I salute
your courage to stand up to the oppressive elements within the
global Jewish community.

Marc Krawitz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: The two days of R'H and the shofar on Shabbos.
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:29:34 GMT

jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>  I'm still confused. In the time of the Sanhedrin, the day after Elul
>  29 was always kept as Rosh Hashana, whether or not it turned out to
>  be Elul 30 or Tishrei 1. If we are bound by minhag avoteinu, then we
>  should do the same thing.
>	 
>  If in our calendar Elul always had 29 days and we simply called
>  the following day Tishrei 1, that would be ok, except that in those
>  years that Elul "really" has 30 days, Tishrei would be extra long.
>  This isn't the way I remember the calendar (I never seem to save them
>  when they're posted) so that isn't our practice. Is it not true
>  that our present Elul is 29 or 30 days according to the actual
>  lunar behaviour? If so, our two days of RH are not the same two
>  days of RH as the Sanhedrin instituted. This means that we aren't
>  following minhag avoteinu.

The Gemara in Rosh HaShanah says that from the time of `Ezra there is
no full [thirty-day] Elul.

-Don Gertler
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish