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From: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Moffat Tunnel
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:00:18 GMT
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

I didn't see the original posting on this, but I'm guessing that 
some yahoo decided to walk thru the tunnel, got offed by a train,
and now the RR is being sued.  Kind of reminds me of the 
situation my partner and I have with some acreage in S.W. 
Colorado.  We have to carry liability insurance in case some
body trepasses onto the land and then gets hurt while 
trepassing ....

Anyway, this would explain something I ran into this summer.
I was back on the font range for a couple of days and decided
to drive up to look at Central City (amazing!) and on to
East Portal since I hadn't been there in 20 years (GAWD!)
since I was an undergrad at Boulder.  When I got there,
there were VERY distinct unfriendly vibes - lot of warning
signs, and a RR truck parked SIDEWAYS across the access
road to keep you from driving up to the entrance. Bummer -
I got some great photos there way back when of operations
around the tunnel entrance (sigh)...

Another bummer is that I continued on up to the Giant's Ladder
but found that Needle's Eye was still collapsed to the point
where it wasn't passable (although you could walk thru).  And 
the Forest Service (or BLM - can't remember which) had managed
to block the Rollins Pass road so you couldn't take a Jeep on
over to Corona, by going the alternate route from Yankee Doodle
Lake, either.

All in all, a very disappointing trip.  I wonder if someone from
the area can post an update if conditions are expected to change
any next season?

THANKS

- Bob Wier

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From: "frank rosenbaum" <frank.rosenbaum@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: diesel terminology questi
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:50:18 EST
Reply-To: "frank rosenbaum" <frank.rosenbaum@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information


SB/I keep running across terminology I don't understand.

SB/What is a ``winterization hatch''?  How about a ``rerail frog''?
  /What are ``lift rings'' used to lift?
  /---
Steven, a rerail frog is a device that has two wings with a slot down 
the middle (front to back).  It is used to rerail a car or loco.  In 
use the slot is placed over the rail with the wide area of the wings 
facing the derailed car.  Then the engine either pushes or pulls the 
car over the rerailer.  Obviously this is only for wheels that are 
close to the rail.

Lift rings are used to lift loco carbodies or other heavy parts of the 
loco.

I can't adequately define a winterization hatch but it goes over the 
air intake fan or partially cover it to preheat some of the air 
entering the engine.  Many canadian engines have these.

               Frank in White Plains NY
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From: wayner@otc.otca.oz.au (Wayne Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CityRail (Sydney)
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:56:22 GMT
Organization: R&D, OTC Sydney, Australia

In article <1992Dec7.000932.22583@cs.su.oz.au>, matthew@cs.su.oz (Matthew Geier) writes:
> In article <24148@galaxy.ucr.edu> santafe@watserv.ucr.edu (michael a parisi) writes:
> >
> >with them.  What a huge system!  I was amazed at how far out (of Sydney)
> >the lines go.  I would imagine that a ride on the Blue Mountains Line 
> >must be spectacular.  Do people actually commute from Lithgow to Sydney
> >on a daily basis?
> 
>  I dont belive many actually commute from Lithgow, but Mt Victora to
> Sydney I beleive attacts a few daily commuters, from Katomba down the
> commuter trains are well patronised. A similar thing happens from
> the north, with the commute seeming to start at Morriset and gain
> mementum as the railway heads Sydney ward - with Wyong and Gosford
> being major stops. People also commute from Wollongong. These services
> are by Double Deck ( mainly ) EMU's. I dont know about the south as
> the electric wires stop just past Cambeltown, which is part of the
> 'Suburban' system instead of the 'interurban'.
> 

I'd estimate about two hundred commute from the area between Mt Victoria
and Lithgow each day. Many only travel to Penrith or Parramatta, but quite
a few make the full journey. Most catch the 4:42 or 5:20am down trains arriving 
Sydney Terminal at 7:30 and 7:56am respectively. They return on the 4:29,
or 5:16 up services, which arrive in Lithgow at 7:12 and 7:52pm which makes it
a bloody long day.

I commute from Blaxland (73.8km) to Sydney each day and usually the train is
full when I get on, ie, about 1200 passengers on each of six commuter services.

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From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Amtrak from Phoenix to Grand Canyon
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:25:59 GMT

In article <8780@orbit.cts.com>, rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer) writes:
|> hsieh@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Pei-Lin Hsieh) writes:
|> >
|> >Did any one have experience to ride the Amtrak thruway bus to Grand Canyon?
|> >According to the timetable, westbound Sunset Ltd arrives Pheonix at 11:30PM
|> >( close to midnight ), and the bus depart from Pheonix airport ( why not at
|> >amtrak station? ) at 4:30 AM. 

|> With that kind of layover, why not just ride the Grand Canyon Railroad from 
|> (mumble mumble) to the canyon, using a taxi or something like that to 
|> make the connection...

Allow me to translate: (mumble mumble) = Williams, AZ.  I hear the Grand
Canyon Railroad is booked up pretty far in advance, typically.  Better
call 'em up just as soon as you know you're going to go!  I saw it 2
summers ago, and it looked really nice.  It's a steam operation that
uses some nicely restored Harriman coaches.  It's about an 80-mile round
trip between Williams and the Canyon, if I remember correctly.  The
train takes you right to the Canyon edge, and there's lots to do and
see around there.  The Grand Canyon station is nicely restored and there
are some gift shops and a beautiful old hotel right there on the south
rim of the Canyon.

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
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From: wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren Brill)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:38:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Moffat Tunnel was Re: Railroad Sued by Trespasser's Family
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad

In rec.railroad, dboone@IASTATE.EDU (David L. Boone) writes:

> In article <1fvulsINNdk0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L.
> Werkema) writes:
> > 
> > In a previous article, mattp@phred.UUCP (Matt Pedersen) says:
> 
[bunch of stuff deleted]

> Btw, the bridge you're recalling was the Chicago Great Western bridge on 
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                              Model Railroader ran an article a couple of
           		      months ago on a ficticious CGW "bridge road"
  			      supposedly created out of the wreckage of 
  			      the CGW, and my impression was that CGW is
 			      no more, that this was all made-up. Is this
			      true, or is the CGW still existant. BTW,
			      is there an up-to-date register of Class 1
			      lines like there is for short lines?
[more stuff deleted]

> --
> David L. Boone
> Engineer, Iowa State University Computation Center
> Internet: dboone@iastate.edu    Bitnet:  gn.dlb@isumvs
> Voice:    (515) 294-1977        US mail: 74 Durham Hall, Ames, IA 50011

 
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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New Superliner Question
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:49:11 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <carl_henderson-161292090336@ceh.geo.lsa.umich.edu> carl_henderson@um.cc.umich.edu (Carl Henderson) writes:
>In article <22866@drutx.ATT.COM>, sef@drutx.ATT.COM (Scott E. Farleigh)
>wrote:
>>
>> In article <15DEC92.10597228.0220@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
>> > According to the Sept. 1991 Passenger Train Journal, the order is
>> > for 140 cars: 6 deluxe sleepers, 55 standard sleepers, 20 diners,
>> > 15 lounges, 12 crew dorms, and 32 coaches.  There's an option for
>> > an additional 39 cars.
>> >
>> What is the difference between a deluxe sleeper and a standard
>> sleeper? Way back in 1983 my wife and I rode the CZ/Desert Wind
>> from Denver to L.A. we had the cheapest room. I thought that there
>> was only one type of sleeper car.
>
>As I understand it, the deluxe sleepers will contain only deluxe bedrooms
>(not the usual mix of economy, deluxe, family and special).  The are slated
>for use on the Lorton-Sanford Auto-Train.
>
According to the PTJ article I cited above, the deluxe sleepers
will have 10 deluxe bedrooms on the upper level.  On the lower level,
the will have 1 family, 1 special and 4 economy bedrooms, plus
bathrooms and luggage space.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: ox.general,rec.railroad
Subject: Steam between Oxford and Didcot, Saturday 2nd January 1993
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:03:42 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: The Craig Shergold Institute of Postal Positive Feedback
Originator: geraint@clts1.comlab

There will be steam-hauled GWR services between Oxford and Didcot on the first
Saturday of the New Year, to coincide with a steamday at the Didcot Railway
Centre (10am to 4pm).  The Oxford trains will be hauled by GWR No.6998, Burton
Agnes Hall which operated the last British Railways steam hauled train out of
Oxford twenty-seven years earlier.

    Approximate departure times, subject to confirmation:

	from Didcot	0840, 1140, 1440, 1640

	from Oxford	0945, 1245, 1545, 1745

    Return tickets L12.00 (children 5-15, L5.00) in advance, from the Didcot 
    Railway Centre, Didcot, Oxon OX11 7NJ; (0235) 817200.  If there is space
    tickets will also be sold on the day at a L1 premium.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: dboone@IASTATE.EDU (David L. Boone)
Subject: Re: Davis (CA) accident - idiot of the month!
Reply-To: dboone@IASTATE.EDU (David L. Boone)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:58:00 GMT

In article <20353@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, hill@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Rich
Hill) writes:
> The westbound Capitol from Sacramento to Oakland and San Jose derailed just
> east of Davis last night (about 6:00 pm) . . . There were 37 passengers
> and 4 crew - none were seriously injured.   . . .

A friend of mine was a conductor on this train.  What I gathered from him 
was that nobody was more injured than maybe a broken finger nail while 
trying to gather up their luggage while he was trying to get them out of 
the cars with flames from the burning gasoline leaping up past the windows.  
[Embellishments by me, but he did mention the flames.]  The only reference 
to injury I recall was one woman who seemed to be fine until she saw the 
ambulances after stepping off the train.  She suddenly spoke up:  "Oh, my 
neck!"  [Things that make you go "hmmmmm".]
--
David L. Boone
Engineer, Iowa State University Computation Center
Internet: dboone@iastate.edu    Bitnet:  gn.dlb@isumvs
Voice:    (515) 294-1977        US mail: 74 Durham Hall, Ames, IA 50011
From: shell@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Double-decker LIRR cars?
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:16:59 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <x9k2!7d@rpi.edu>, kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
> 
>  A little more than a year ago (I think it was summer of '91), I recall
> seeing four or five double-decker cars in the LIRR's Sunnyside yards. 
> To the best of my memory they had the 'M' logo on them and the bright 
> yellow stripe that I usually see on the Huntington line cars. 
>  
>  The thing is, I haven't seen any sign of these cars since then. I'd 
> thought that maybe they were going to start using double-deckers for
> rush hour. Have I just never been on the train at the right time, or
> were these actually strays that found their way down to Long Island
> from Boston, or was I just hallucinating the whole thing?

Those cars are indeed used during rush hour on the Port Jefferson
Branch.  They were used for a while on an evaluation basis, which
stopped abruptly for a period of time and then started again.
Sorry I don't have the particulars as far as the timing of these
events.

The cars are pulled by dual-powered (diesel or electric) engines,
and will utimately make possible a direct journey from
points east of Huntington to Penn Station (without the need for
changing trains).  At this time, however, certain obstructions
in the East River tunnels prevent the double-decker cars from
fitting, forcing them to use Hunterspoint Avenue as a western
terminus.

These cars will eventually replace the aging fleet of cars
the currently serve the non-electrified portion of the Port
Jefferson Branch, and probably other non-electrified segments
as well.
--
Sheldon Luberoff
sheldon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
From: ioiab09@disc.dla.mil (william spollen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: PATH (was Re: H&M )
Date: 9 Dec 92 14:54:43 GMT
Organization: Defense Industrial Supply Center, Philadelphia, Pa               

From article <1992Dec2.003647.21271@panix.com>, by dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam):
                                                                     
  The World Trade Center is about a block from the original H&M terminal which was in a
  fairly elaborate and large office building (actually of course UNDER it)
 The World Trade Center, spans many square blocks, and sits on top of the station, which is at least
 100+ feet below the current 'street' level.  I think ground was broken
 for WTC in 68 (?) and the complex opened in late 73 or 74.

The H&M Terminal building was not demolished.  The structure remains.It was
gutted, rebuilt and refaced.  It sits on the NE corner of the World Trade Center Complex, across
from the Post Office.
From: G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Splitting and Joining Trains: A (Not So) New Idea
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:08:48 GMT


>The one time I rode it (in the mid-80s) the East Grinstead and Uckfield
>lines were served by a single train which split at Oxted.

Since electrification of the line to East Grinstead this no longer
happens. East Grinstead/Oxted services are formed from combinations of
423 and 416 (VEP & 2EPB) electric units while the non-electified
Uckfield services use class 205 DEMUs.

Riding on the electric services can be fun due to the marginal power
supply, particularly on the climb up from South Croydon to beyond
Warlingham. If too many trains are drawing power from the local area,
the traction power will trip out and a train going up hill will glide
to a halt with only emergency lighting. After a minute or so power
will return and the train will restart. This can happen reapeatedly
all the way up the hill!

Add to this the barred windows due to limited tunnel clearances,
the "comfort" of a mid-50s 2EPB and you get a journey to remember :-)

>Interestingly enough, this is not the junction station - the two parts
>run separately to/from Hurst Green, where the lines split. I did ask
>why this was done, but I don't remember the answer.

Oxted is a more important station and was the more approriate place to
split and join trains. Before Beeching the network of lines in Sussex
was more extensive and had a much greater variety of services. Oxted
was one of the busier stations (some trains started/terminated there)
and it made sense divide/join trains at that location.

Graham
From: clark@angelo.amd.com (Brad D. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: TV Program (Japanese): lotsa Japan train footage
Summary: Unknown TV program showing LOTSA Japanese railing
Keywords: rail Nippon media
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:49:40 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Hello fellow rec.rail'ers:

I saw an interesting program on the Tube the other night. It was
something like "National Raia Detective", and centered on the Police
Department, or the Japanese equivalent, in the NAtional railway
system. I have _NO_ idea what it's called, but (for those of you
in the Bay Area) it's on ch. 26, and comes on Sunday evening at
9.30 pm. For those of you in Japan, it's done by TV Asahi, and
subtitled in Hawaii.

The program shows a LOT of railroading in Japan, as well as some
shots of inter-island ferries (ie: the Beetle ferry), and the
local transportation systems.

Just wondering if this excited anyone, and if anybody else has seen it.

Cheers,

Brad
  
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From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak from Phoenix to Grand Canyon
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:45:04 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

hsieh@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Pei-Lin Hsieh) writes:
>
>Did any one have experience to ride the Amtrak thruway bus to Grand Canyon?
>According to the timetable, westbound Sunset Ltd arrives Pheonix at 11:30PM
>( close to midnight ), and the bus depart from Pheonix airport ( why not at
>amtrak station? ) at 4:30 AM. I was told there is 8 miles between these two
>points. I want to know if it is safety at night time and which kind of trans-
>portion I can use.
>
>Any advice and suggestion will be appereciated!

With that kind of layover, why not just ride the Grand Canyon Railroad from 
(mumble mumble) to the canyon, using a taxi or something like that to 
make the connection...

Just a thought

-- Dan Meyer
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From: yhshowie@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard Wharton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: New York and the Nor'easter
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Robert,
     Even through you are Not Joe, Thank You. When I lived in New York
yeard ago, I rode the New Haven all the time to its namesake. Also
my Uncle was a tower operator for the New Haven at Bridgeport then
later Back to New Haven where he first started.
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From: bobmacd@well.sf.ca.us (Robert MacDowell)
Subject: Re: Getting hit by a train
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:32:11 GMT




In article <BytyAn.40n@specialix.com> jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) writes:
>
>One of the first safety rules taught to new railroad employees is
>to never step on the head of the rail.  It can be very slippery and
>if you fall down and hit your head on the rail it can cause some
>severe damage to your noggin.

I've seen a Union Pacific safety film (with Glen Roper) that says it
well:  "The danger of tripping isn't near as bad as the danger of
slipping."

My interpretation:  If you snag your foot on a rail and fall on your
face, you'll catch yourself with your arms and at worse bruise a
forearm.  But if you step *on* a rail and slip, you may well slip
*backwards*, and what do you know, that other rail 56-1/2 inches
behind you is just about where your head's going to land!  Which
either kills you or lays you out, and here comes a cut of cars...

I'd well advise every railfan to learn the safety practices of the
railroaders. Aside from the obvious safety benefit, you'll *look*
like you belong there, so railroad employees are less likely to hassle
you.  Nothing is more obvious - or more disturbing to a railroader,
than a trespasser doing something unsafe.

-- Bob MacDowell
Superintendent, Southern Michigan Railroad, Pacific Division
(an operating rail museum in southeast Michigan)
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the Palmyra & Jacksonburg
Railway, the Erie & Kalamazoo, the Michigan Southern, the Lake Shore &
Michigan
Southern, the New York Central, Penn Central, Conrail, or the Southern
Michigan
Railroad Society, or any of the latter's motley crew or suitors. :-) :-)
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From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: Amtrak Routes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.155629.6661@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) writes:
>In article <BzAzM6.K4y@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>, organic@mgr.hjf.org (Miriam Organic) writes:
>> Is true that AMTRAK is going to start using Superliner cars in the east?
>> 
>> Does this include the Chicago-D.C. Capatiol Limited?  
>> I watch it every day outside my office window. 
>
>
>What you may be referring to is that when the extension of the
>Sunset from New Orleans to Florida is implemented, Superliners
>will reach the east coast.  That's because clearances are
>adequate for superliners on the entire route.
>
>The problems with clearances are in the D.C. area and on the
>Northeast Corridor.  These problems will not magically go away.

According to an Amtrak official who spoke at a recent (well actually
six months back or so) NARP region meetings that I attended, the three
Eastern routes that are slated for Superliner service are:

	Lorton - Sanford Autotrain
	Chicago - Washington DC Capitol Ltd.
	Chicago - New Orleans City of New Orleans.

The equipment that is released as a result of Superlinerizing these
trains will be used to increase capacity on other eastern trains and
to make the Cardinal a daily train.

the Capitol Ltd comes into Washington DC Union Station over the ex B&O
line which does not have any hight restrictions. The only potential
problem could have been due to catenary in Union Station. Apparently
either it is not a problem or Amtrak has a solution to that problem.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com