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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Post seeds (was: Re: You idiots (Was Bong water etc))
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:07:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.184757.114924@zeus.calpoly.edu> aholdern@zeus.calpoly.edu (Andy "skis" Holderness) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.150650.28722@starbase.trincoll.edu> () writes:
>>Bong water reeks, and will only attract attention. Always change your water
stuff deleted
>>Live match heads are neat, too.
>Actually my cat tells me that the very thin membrane around the seedds
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>has a THC content. But removing said membrane is definately not worth
>the effort. But if your really jonesin' a couple of hours of work might
>get you a bong load :)

This membrane exists, but it isn't what you think it is.  It's not actually
part of the seed, it's part of the flower.  Usually it's already gone, but
a few out every bag will still have this coating.

Whenever you get a new bag and are into cleaning, if it's not sinsi, look
closely at the seeds.  Some will have a thin leafy membrane around them. 
I've heard that this part of the plant is the most potent part of a pot plant.  WAIT!  Before you flame me, read what I wrote carefully, and do actually look
at some seeds right out of a stash.  Most of the seeds are just normal looking
seeds with a shiney coating because this delicate membrane has been removed
(more like fallen off) though normal processing.  The membrane I'm talking
about is more leafy and dull looking but very thin.  It's the only thing that
separates a seed from the flower while maturing.  I've heard people claim that
THC is produced as a defense against cold weather.  What does a plant have to
protect?  THE SEEDS!  So it seems to make sense that this seed embryonic sack
might have the most THC, right?  I know it's not really an embryo but the
analogy is a good one.

I'm not suggesting everybody go out and start smoking seeds.  If a seed still
has this membrane on it, simply take it between two fingers and roll it back
and forth once or twice.  The sack crumbles right off.  VERY low effort.  If
nothing crumbles it's already gone.  If you're not doing this already you're
throwing away money.  It doesn't add up to much, but with todays prices most
people want to get all they can out of their weed.

Happy rolling!
Steve - thinking maybe he's a distant relative of "Mr. Cheap"?
--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          Steady hand, bloodshot eyes.  Stoner
Brookfield, WI  53005  or programmer.  You make the call.
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Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          I took the road less traveled, and had to wait
Brookfield, WI  53005  hours for help when my car broke down.
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From: "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:50:30 -0500

In article <1993Jan7.170535.17311@seq.uncwil.edu> kennedj@seq.uncwil.edu (kennedy j shane) writes:
>I wouldn't score it so high, I was looking for more scientific facts.
>All the interviews and opinions were interesting though.  I did like
>the news about the chromosomes not breaking up.  

Any journalist can do a show consisting of a bunch of opinions.  It
takes someone intelligent and willing to take the good with the bad in
respect to their aimed goal to represent the facts.  Besides, since
when have the American public been interested in "facts?"  

>THe kid with the ten-year sentence was bullshit.  He'll never serve 
>over a year in our crowded prisions for a non-violent crime.  Sounded

You think so?  Think again!  There are people doing LIFE sentences for
posession and selling of marijuana.

amy

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From: df@sdf.lonestar.org (daniel finster)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: 48 hours show on LSD, important question!
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:12:43 GMT
Organization: sdf public access unix -- Dallas, Tx. 214-436-3281


  Watching the show wednesday, I got somewhat concerned about what they were
saying about LSD permanetly frying your brain, so that from then on you
will always be seeing things in a strange way, like those 3 guys on the show.
Does this actually happen?  or is it merely another "chromosome damage" type
argument?  Please mail or post any information you have about this.  Particularly,
if it is true, about what percentage of people acquire this, and after how many
trips?  Thanks a lot.
-- 
daniel finster   df@sdf.lonestar.org  ...!seas.smu.edu!letni!sdf!df
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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:14:15 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <4138@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:

>Huh? Ozone depletion is a FACT, proven by a host of scientific data.

No. What's proven is the existence of a thin spot in the ozone layer over
the South Pole. Since we only started keeping track of this data within the
last twenty years or so, there is simply no evidence that this seasonal
thinning of the ozone layer is new or abnormal. There is also no
evidence--only speculation--that man-made chemicals cause this thinning, or
are exacerbating it. It is, however, politically correct to _pretend_ that
these speculations have been proven to be fact. 

>So is the greenhouse effect. 

Of course the greenhouse effect exists. If it didn't, the world would be
a mighty cold place. The greenhouse effect is a perfectly normal
consequence of the fact that our atmosphere contains gases (like CO2) that
prevent the escape of all radiated heat from the earth. What has not been
proven is that the extra CO2 (and other gases) created by industrial
processes are measurably increasing the greenhouse effect. But again, it's
PC to pretend that this has been proven. 

>Is the earth FLAT, too???

This is not a politically correct assertion. Not yet, anyway.


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:20:30 GMT

lerner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: 
: By the way, did you know that killing a drug dog is punnishable in the
: same way as killing a police officer (I mean it has the same
: penalties, but my editor screws up if I back up too much )?

In all the places that I have heard of, that would be true only if an
officer was with the dog. It is then considered an attack on the officer.

Bill
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From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:25:10 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

Thanks to everyone who responded to my post concerning obtaining a
supply og laughing gas.  I got an initial supply today at my local
shopping mall (giggle giggle) which will last me until I get a serious
tank, which I think I will be able to do.

Now, for a regulator...............................Hmm................
any suggestions??????????????/

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From: bdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce D. Davis)
Subject: Re: rules for LSD
Organization: Space Academy
Keywords: This Is It!
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:46:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.041940.27546@wam.umd.edu> ghangha@wam.umd.edu (Kire Nosredneh) writes:
>> The rules I heard were:
>>     1) You can not breath under water.
>>     2) You can not fly.
>>     3) YOU ARE NOT GOD
>>
>> All are good rules to keep in the forefront of your mind when 
>> "Visiting Alice."
>
>I agree with establishing some guidelines for tripping.  But for someone
>who has never tripped before, placing these " rules " in their head will
>only cause them to think about them constantly if they feel insecure or
>nervous about using the drug.  Usually, it's better not to say anything, 
>just stick around the dose-monkeys!
>
>	It's always a good day to die.

yep, to die is the 'goal' of lsd! (the death-rebirth 'flip'; are you ready
the whole thing is about to switch OFF!). and if rule #3 is False, then
all the other rules are False! (actually, SEX is the purpose for lsd...)

if you need rules for taking lsd, then you shouldn't take it.
--
bruce (spin doktor)
From: verch@acsu.buffalo.edu (N0b0dy Imp0rtant)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: SUPER CIGARETTE
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:02:15 GMT
Organization: Society for the destruction of society


   I have some friends that smoke tea. (ya know, like lipton or tetley, no
marijuana).  Anyone know how bad this is?  Personally I dont even like it..

-- 
       'Love hides in molecular structures.' - Jim Morrison
I'm verch@acsu.buffalo.edu but 'Who are you?'   - Pete Townshend (sorta)
     PGP Key available by finger, cause hey - I'm just that cool.
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From: TDM@ECL.PSU.EDU (Truman D Mast)
Subject: Re: Lobeline...
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 20:45:00 GMT
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In <1ie1k4INNmc1@pith.uoregon.edu> christ@cie.uoregon.edu writes:

>   If someone could share information or point me in the direction of
> a site that contains information on lobeline, I would be very happy.
> I've seen it as a content in a "smoker's tea" which is supposed to
> help you kick the habbit.  I was wondering if someone could tell me
> what form this drug/chemical takes and if it is possible to buy it, 
> say at a healthfood store.
>    Any help is greatly appreciated,
>  
> -christian

Lobeline comes from the lobelia plant, the main component in most
"smoker's teas."  They can be found in most health food stores etc.
Supposedly lobeline is similar in structure to nicotine, so it can act
as a sort of methadone for nicotine addicts.  I did find that it 
seemed to help when I quit smoking.

Doug. 
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From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Keywords: absinthe wormwood Pernod
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:20:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195246.23765@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:
>In article <dlr.726602887@well.sf.ca.us> dlr@well.sf.ca.us (David L Racette) writes:
>>The main psychoactive ingrediant of absinthe is ETOH, ethyl alcohol or
>>ethanol.
>
>I don't think that's what was wanted.  The main psychoactive ingredient
>of absinthe, other than EtOH, are, I believe, thujone and thujene.  I
>remember reading somewhere that they were agonists for the proposed
>cannabinoid receptor, but are neurotoxic.

This has been discussed here before.  One main issue is whether there
would be enough thujone in the absinthe to have any effects before
the EtOH dose became overwhelming.  There is very little data in
humans, but rat experiments failed to find any behavioral effects
after injecting very large doses of thujone.  This strongly suggests
that EtOH is the only real active component, particularly if we
think that thujone's effects should be mediated through the cannabinoid
receptor.  As far as I know, the idea that thujone is active at the
cannabinoid receptor is speculation based entirely upon thujone's structure.
Now that we know more about that receptor, perhaps someone will study
this.  As for the neurotoxicity question, there is also very little
data on this.  Most articles that claim this seem to only use
very old references.  Furthermore, the symptoms that have been reported for
people with "absinthism" seem identical to the symptoms we would expect
from severe alcoholics.

Someone at last year's annual Society for Neuroscience meeting made the
interesting point that, when absinthe was banned, it was believed that
one could inherit acquired traits.  Thus, the reaction against absinthe-
drinking was amplified by the belief that people who drank it were
polluting the gene pool.

Did anyone archive my posting on this issue last time it came up?  I
think I posted a couple references, most notably the article in _TiPS_
from a few years ago.

>-- 
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From: guccw@gdunix.gd.chalmers.se (Christian Wernstedt)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD & violence (thank you)
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:22:45 GMT
Organization: Gteborgs Datacentral
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A76DC0DE5C01DD85@gdpc57.gd.chalmers.se>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09: 24:30 GMT
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A bit late but...I'd like to thank all of you, who provided me with
references and your views on the above topic.

/Christian
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From: hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral)
Subject: Re: You idiots (Was Bong water etc)
Reply-To: hjel@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:09:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.150650.28722@starbase.trincoll.edu> () writes:
>>
>Seeds won't get you stoned, butthead. THC is found in the resing glands,
>which are found only in buds and leaves. Very little in leaves. None in the
>stems... absolutely none in the seeds. Seeds also taste bad and can ruin a
>good j. But hey, if you really like smoking seeds, I'll send you all of my
>old or lame ones. But you have to promise to smoke them all in one day, ok?
>Live match heads are neat, too.

	not to be an asshole or anything but there is THC in seeds, not a whole
lot but enough.  i've smoked 3-4 large bowls of seeds before through an 8 
chamber bong and gotten nicely stoned off of it.  it takes a hell of a lot of
inhaling and for the most part is a waste of breath but when seeds are all
you have and sobriety is boring, you do what you have to do.  and you
don't have to send me your seeds this time...maybe next time.
						-jh



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Disclaimer: the devil made me do it.               -Nirvana
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours show on LSD
Keywords: request, videotape
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 05:39:05 GMT

In <1993Jan7.190947.8472@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> tina@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Christina Frederick) writes:
>Anyway, my interest is twofold. First,from what I heard some of the research
>presented sounds very interesting, as well as morally questionable. By word
>of mouth I heard about the treatment of alcoholics with LSD. It sounded
>almost as if the researchers were inducing a "bad trip". I can't imagine
>this research being okayed by Human subjects board at my U, but you never
>know.

You need to do some research.  I don't claim a definitive source (Tim
Leary's memoir, _Flashbacks_), but my impression was that the researches
did exactly the opposite.  They showed the alcoholics a good trip,
one that made them decide that life was worth living head on instead
of filtered through the haze of alcohol.  Many people reported religious
type experiences, strong impressions of God's presence, etc.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         "There is no time for metaphors," cried the little pill to me
             He said, "Life is a placebo masquerading as a simile."
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From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: Whats wrong with a drug dog?(was RE:Drug dog()
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:17:28 GMT

epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Who the fuck cares if there's a drug dog at LHS.
>Lets look at the consequenses assuming noone fucks around
>with the dog as is being generally suggested here.

>a) there will be no(or less) drugs at school.

>b) It will be less easy to get high at school.

>c) It will be very hard to distribute drugs at school.


>So what some of you netters are suggesting are ways to impair
>that innocent dogs senses just so that a b and c dont become true.
>Look at yourselves folk, do drugs really belong in school even if youre
>pro-legalization.  Oh, and BTW, LHS is Lawrence(,KS) HIGH SCHOOL.


>-- 

>Later...

>/----------------\
>| Doug McClendon   \
>| DMC@Planet.Pinball \-----\
>| epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu \
>| C.C.=Perfection            \---\
>| Pain=Happiness=Sadness=Pleasure \--------\
>| "Give up on life, life's given up on you" \
>|      -Keith James, 1992|                  | 
>\-------------------------------------------/

I understand what your saying Doug. I for one don't want to see drugs
being used at school either. On the other hand passively accepting this
nazi style violation of human rights would be wrong also. But don't hurt
the dog. Doug's right about that and there's just no reason too.


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Subject: The drug dog arrives at LHS
From: epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:06:20 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Well, I'm the guy who posted about 'who cares about the drug dog'.
Well, I was under the false assumption that the dog is worthy
of creating probable cause-I was mistaken.

Anyway, the drug dog(s 4 of them, and 8 cops) came.
they searched mike's(original poster of 'drug dog') locker
because 2 dogs agreed on it. well, what triggered them off
was a kwik shop mug that I had given mike 3 months ago with
some coke(a cola that is) in it, and needless to say it must
have had an odor with all that mold in it.
anyway, they also searched 3 other lockers that i heard, maybe
10 or 20 in actuallity(2000 student,1000 lockers).
they also searched 1 car(in the school parking lot, not the outlying
streets where everyone who doesn't get up at 6 am parks) and they
found *gasp* an old dillons salad.

BTW, of course no drugs were found at all that day(announced visit).

Anyway, I now am against drug dogs, but only because they dont present
probable cause.  The kids whose lockers were searched arent in any pos
ition to complain because the school is always saying that the lockers
are their property, but if I was the guy whose car was searched (and my
parents were rich) I would sue (or whatever other legal shit you can do)
the city for search without probable cause.
-- 

Later...

/----------------\
| Doug McClendon   \
| DMC@Planet.Pinball \-----\
| epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu \
| C.C.=Perfection            \---\
| Pain=Happiness=Sadness=Pleasure \--------\
| "Give up on life, life's given up on you" \
|      -Keith James, 1992|                  | 
\-------------------------------------------/
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Subject: XTC
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 23:15:14 PST
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Summary: information

Hello, My partner and I are curious about this drug called
Exstacy or XTC, not sure how to spell it anyways could anyone
send me a blurb on it effects, positive or negative, I have 
heard therapeutic claims for it, are these valid?  cheers and 
thanx

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64  
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From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: WosD & EPA (was something else)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:10:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
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In article <jah.724120935@mits>, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
|> civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
|> 
|> >Radio NZ reported this morning that a US marine commander in Somalia
|> >said that Khat was considered contraband and was being confiscated.
|> 
|> Hey, maybe the war is a side issue and what the US is actually doing is
|> extending its drug war to this side of the Atlantic! I can hardly wait to
|> see them committing air raids on Turkish poppy fields. 

I wonder what the EPA would say about the prospect of eradicating
a whole species such as cannabis sativa from the earth.   They'd
probably declare it a non-species.  DruggaBuse warriors
have done stupider things.  Just wondering ... 


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From: tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Morning Glory - Again
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:06:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

an3886@anon.penet.fi (Toker) writes:

>I have inquired and found out that 1kg of MG seeds would cost about 400-700 IS 
>(Israeli Shekels, or around $150-300), varying depending on species and so on.
>I would like to know if this sounds like a good deal (ill settle for ok deal).

Don't know what you're after, but sounds like a bad deal. What's wrong with
the real thing? 

>BTW - would anyone happen to know why a hemp plant started turning purple ?
>(its pretty cold here...gets down to 5c. though the seeds are from plants grown
>in the sinai desert where it gets much colder...)

Purple? dude! sounds like you've got some pretty smokable stuff!! Admittedly
I know nothing about growing in cold temps. (Australian :-) ) but purple
buddha (a 'brand' over here) is some of the best stuff you can get!!

Gadget
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From: rodney@cabot.balltown.cma.com (Rodney Peck)
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Organization: Balltown Offsite
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:18:24 GMT

In article <1ie47iINNd29@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) writes:
   Unfortunately, this will cause the dog great pain.  Imagine 
   having to live with tear gas in your general vicinity; this is 
   how the dog will be reacting.  So it all depends on whether 
   you really want to store your drugs on school property, or 
   don't mind using off school property to save the dog a "job 
   hazard".
    
I think you miss the point.  It's not so much that people are now
inconvenienced by not being able to keep drugs in their lockers, but
their civil rights are being violated by an illegal search.  Odds are,
there are at least a few students in the school who have nothing to do
with any sorts of illegal drugs.  The police, the school, and the dog
have no right to bother these students.

The question boils down to giving away another aspect of privacy to
protect the good society from the "evil scourge of drugs".


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