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From: Will Kessler <kessler@roses.stanford.edu>
Subject: Drug-induced dreams
Organization: Dept Of Veteran's Affairs/Palo Alto CA
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:50:43 GMT

Hello dreamers,

I have always believed in paying attention to vivid dreams even if I am
not sure of the meaning of their content.  As regards the "foretelling of
the future" discussion, I would like to see consideration of this concept
in terms of subliminal suggestions.  We've all heard about CocaCola being
sold in theaters without the customers even being aware of the suggestion
made by a single frame of movie film.  This is so effective/insidious it
was banned.

Given the deluge of events and experiences encountered in everyday life,
it would seem likely that some of these would be ignored by the conscious
mind, and later replayed in dreams.  When the dreamer noticed the outcome
of these events later the next day,
s/he might consider the dream to have "told the future" when all it did
was replay something they missed the day before.  I've also noticed that
strange surroundings or travel induce much dreaming, when the sensory
input is higher.

Or perhaps I'm restating the obvious?  In any case, I'm curious because
recently I've been put on a medication that relieves symptoms of
"glandular fever", aka CFS, a debilitating immune system disorder.  One
of the side effects of this drug, however, is that as the body adapts to
new levels of dosage (it's applied gradually), many patients tend to have
vivid nightmares that seem to last all night.  This weekend, for example,
I dreamt that while on a drive down to LA I stopped by the side of the
road on Rte. 5, and unwittingly became a sacrificial victim in a satanic
festival that included bulls and goats in their pens.  It took place in a
wooded area by the side of the road.  The only images I can recall that
resemble the dream are from the comedy "Dragnet" with Dan Ackroyd.  I
asked the specialist that put me on the drug; he says that 25% of
patients report the same phenomenon-- nightmares.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?  Also, are these drug-induced dreams
less important/noteworthy than "normal" dreams, do you think?

Thanks for your time--

Will Kessler
kessler@roses.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kelly@spyro.cray.com (Matt Kelly (4274))
Subject: Re: Forcing yourself out of a dream.
Organization: Cray Research Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:16:49 CDT

In article <1992Aug21.210359.23824@mdd.comm.mot.com> wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu) writes:
>In <1992Aug20.182732.3315@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo) writes:
>
>
>>  Anyway, when I'd first try to wake myself up, it's like feeling paralized
>>and I'd try to shake or get up or whatnot.  Sometimes I'd actually think that
>>my arms were in the air but they actually probably weren't.  Well, the whole 
>>experience felt like I was suffocating or as if I were engulfed in something.
>>When I finally succeed in waking up it feels like I'm breaking thru something
>>and then I have a hard time going back to sleep.
>
>Sometimes, when it's really late and I'm trying to fall asleep, I get the
>sensation that my whole body is being held down.  I can't move ANYTHING.
>I try to make a sound through my mouth, and nothing comes up.  I harder I
>resist it, the harder the force presses me down.  It goes away when I let go
>and not resist at all........
>
>Is this a dream??

I really wonder about this myself.  I have this exact same thing happen to me 
from time to time, but almost exclusively when I nap during the day.  What 
typically happens to me is that I'll get this same sensation as you describe, 
but I won't realize that I'm still asleep.  The room seems normal, the boob-
toob is still on, etc.  Then I try to sit up, and it feels like I am sitting 
up, but something just isn't right.  I then realize that I am still lying 
down.  This is a very wierd feeling!!!  

At this point I understand that it must be a dream (I think...).  To escape
from this "state", I lie back down and "close my eyes".  Before long, I "fall
asleep" again, and then I usually wake up.

To me it is clearly a dream, albeit a very strange-feeling one.


Matt

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: noah@pixar.com (Noah Kerwin)
Subject: Re: Dreams, yeah right!]
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:06:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.133646.244@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk writes:
>
>Yes , you're right . There is no way that I can see that dreams can possibly
>foretell of the future . Too much emphasis is placed on dreams by the
>weak-minded , but then that is also the case with religion and other such . 
>Me , I'm in it for fun .
>
>-- 
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>|                                          |  |_______|                       |
>| Sky and clouds and birds and trees and   |  |       |     _     (______ .   |
>| babies and children and grass and plants |   \_____/    _(_)     _          |
>| and rainbows and little bunny rabbits can|              ----|-  (_)         |
>| all say hello to Mr.Flamethrower here .  |  |-------|           ___         |
>|**Hell is for Children**Only women bleed**|                      __)         |
>| The Reverend Laird Jon.Justice of Camster|  ________|           .           |
>|__________________________________________|          |                       |
>| mcsdc1jcwj@vaxb.dct.ac.uk | My opinions are all my own and not the college's|
>'---------------------------' even when they are . etc, etc, etc .            |
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Well, first of all I want to say that you seem like one sick bastard to me.
"Hell is for children","Only women bleed" ; why dont you just put a gun to
your pathetic head and put yourself out of OUR misery. Dont you have anything
better to do than to read news that you dont believe in and than insult the 
sincere readers?? What a pitiful life you must have! You know, without an 
imagination life is one big lugie. Hell is in each and every one of us and 
you seem to have two heepin helpins of it. When you said religion is for the
week-minded, you insulted alot of people and I think those people deserve an
apology from you.

Maybe you are more suited for an article named dot "I'm an asshole"



Noah 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Noah Kerwin 		When Jimi said "lord you aint gonna get my children"
                        he wasnt talking to the lord!
      
                        Live and let live

As you probably guessed, these opinions are my.....well, you know!!!!
From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: 24 August dream
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:37:22 GMT

I am in my hometown, but the streets I know so well are a mirror-
image. My family's house is no longer on the southeast corner.
The house is on the northwest corner and I am running as fast
as I can (toward the east) in terror. 

Behind me is my best friend since second grade. Behind both of us
is a girl with long black hair. I hear my friend scream and fall.
I run faster than ever - but not fast enough. I feel the long
needle of a syringe slide into my spine as I fall, and wake up.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca (Bill McKinnon)
Subject: Re: difficulties reading while dreaming
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:12:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.182619.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>  I've had numerous dreams where I find my self with book (usually technical)
> in my hands or nearby.  When I atempt to read the letters start to move around.
> They become totally unrecognizable except for about how many letters there are.
> Any suggestions as to how stabilize text?
>                                  Thanxs Kris
> 
-- 

	I've found if you don't really concentrate on what you're reading,
sort of 'at a glance', the words stay quite stable.  For instance, i had
a dream where i was in 'horse and buggy' times and i was trying to explain
how airplanes worked to someone in that time.  Well, the book had the cover
of my 1st yr chem book (go figure) but the page i had it opened to had all
sorts of theory stuff on aviation ( picts of planes and wing design and all ).
Anyway, i was showing it to him and reading bit and pieces as i went along
to strengthen my arguements.  So basically if you don't put a lot of effort
into making it happen you should be able to read in your dreams.  Any help?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Halifax, Nova Scotia      |  17th acting editor of the Guide:
 Canada. (902) 429-6927    |  'Why stop now, just when I'm hating it?'
 gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca |   Marvin the Paraniod Andriod.
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: micah@milton.u.washington.edu (Micah Anderson)
Subject: Riding horses?
Keywords: horsies
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:57:40 GMT

A friend of mine had a dream (female) where she was riding a horse and
it turned into a motorcycle.... if horsepower has anything to do with it,
I couldn't guess, but does anyone know what riding horses is all about?
From: kjellr@sofus.dhhalden.no (Kjell Are Refsvik)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dreams, yeah right!]
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:16:11 GMT
     <1992Aug31.190430.26799@daimi.aau.dk>
     <1992Aug31.163346.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <1992Aug31.210642.6911@pixar.com>
Organization: Ostfold Regional College
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In article <1992Aug31.210642.6911@pixar.com> Noah Kerwin, noah@pixar.com
writes:
>As you probably guessed, these opinions are my.....well, you know!!!! 

dreams my ass, succer !
Organization: Junior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 20:05:22 -0400 
From: Yazid Fadl <yf10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Chuckie's Back!!

I had this very bizzare dream and was wondering if anyone knew what it meant:

I was walking home at night when I saw Chuckie (Child's Play movie) 
holding a machine gun right outside the garage door.  He started firing
and I hid behind this tree.  I could feel bullets hitting me, but it
felt like raindrops.  Then I became this 'super man' and started
punching and kicking him.  I grabbed him and threw him in our garbage
compactor, but that didn't stop him.  After a while I woke up,
apparently frustrated that I couldn't kill him. 

P.S.  I've never watched the movie 



wiered, huh?
From: mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dreams, yeah right!]
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:36:46 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <92239.144732STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET>, STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET (Who do you think?) writes:
> People think that dreams are so important.  Don't they realize how weak they
> are to make a major life decision based upon there dreams.  They need more
> concrete  oporational thinking to base a decision upon.  They need to get help
> Although I do think that dreams are there for a reason <I just think  people
> make too much of a dream.
> --
> Thoughts of no consequence,
> Steve (a.k.a. ?)

Yes , you're right . There is no way that I can see that dreams can possibly
foretell of the future . Too much emphasis is placed on dreams by the
weak-minded , but then that is also the case with religion and other such . 
Me , I'm in it for fun .

-- 
 _____________________________________________________________________________
|                                          |  |_______|                       |
| Sky and clouds and birds and trees and   |  |       |     _     (______ .   |
| babies and children and grass and plants |   \_____/    _(_)     _          |
| and rainbows and little bunny rabbits can|              ----|-  (_)         |
| all say hello to Mr.Flamethrower here .  |  |-------|           ___         |
|**Hell is for Children**Only women bleed**|                      __)         |
| The Reverend Laird Jon.Justice of Camster|  ________|           .           |
|__________________________________________|          |                       |
| mcsdc1jcwj@vaxb.dct.ac.uk | My opinions are all my own and not the college's|
'---------------------------' even when they are . etc, etc, etc .            |
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Snakes
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

I was just wondering what it means when you dream of snakes.  This last month I have
had two dreams involving snakes.  Both were basicly the same.  

In the first dream there was a rattle snake in my older sons' (two share the room)
room.  My oldest son came out of his room and told us there was a snake in it.  My
SO and I went in the room and saw a rattle snake curled up under the window.  My 
middle son came in and was going towards the snake, my husband pick up the snake.  
He held the snake while it bit him.  I ran and got a bag to put the snake in.  We
took the snake and my husband to the emergency room.

The second dream was in my youngest son's room and the snake was in the closet, a
copper head.  I was home alone and was putting things away when it bit me on the leg 
as I had stepped on it. I ran out of the room and then went in the kitchen and
proceeded to suck the venom out.  


Serena
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Deja-vu (was Re: Drug-induced dreams)
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:14:03 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <robg.715423745@citr.uq.oz.au> robg@citr.uq.oz.au writes:

[stuff deleted about how the subliminal memory affects reality]
>  
>  It is a nice idea.  However I have had dreams which foretold the future
>  but involved events which could not possibly be explained this way.
>  For example,  when travelling in the US we visited the Grand Tetons.
>  Driving down to Jenny Lake, I left my parents at the car and walked down
>  to the water.  Turning around, for the next thirty seconds the whole
>  sequence of events was *exactly* what had happened in a dream a year or
>  so before.

Are you really SURE you had dreamt this?

>  
>  I had never been to the US before.  This is a mundane sequence of
>  events - what could possibly cause this subliminally?
>  
>  My own theory is that this sort of thing happens all the time - for most
>  people, they don't remember the original dream and call it Deja-vu.

Do you make a difference between a Deja-vu referring to a dream you
think(!) to recall and one without such a reference? I think it's
basically the same. We tend to forget dreams, as it is probably being
intended by nature (I'll post more stuff about that), *and* we tend to
'remember' things (including dreams) that have not happened, you may
call it delusion but there seems to be more to deja-vu.

>  As to *how* it happens - maybe I'll leave that to alt.conciousness ....

MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - Univ of Karlsruhe - s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de -
uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc - +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
The only use I can find for vi is editing the emacs sources
 while porting them to a new machine. - Larry Campbell
From: chopper@hotcity.COM (Ryan Brenneise)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: mechanics in dreams
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:49:53 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Aug29.225038.1@husky1.stmarys.ca>, gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca
writes:
>Has anyone out there in dreamland been able to get machanical devices in
dreams
>to actually work?  I've given up on makin em work in my dreams, i just use 
>hokus pokus magic which seems to work fine.  ( O' course it would be more fun
>if i could get the damn grenade launchers to work.  Maybe i need to read the
>instructions? ;)  Anybody got any ideas?
>
>Bill.

yah actually i have even built device in my dreams and they worked fine, too
bad they wouldn't work in the real world (my idea had to do with a problem ive
been trying to solve on making a "hover car" like the ones in
back-to-the-future movies). ill just say that my hypothosis was a real strange
and creative one but it just wouldn't work (DAMN!).
From: david.hofmann@madness.network23.com (David Hofmann) 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: RE: FORCING YOURSELF OUT
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: david.hofmann@madness.network23.com (David Hofmann) 

-> From: g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON)
-> Newsgroups: alt.dreams
-> Subject: Re: Forcing yourself out of a dream.
-> Keywords: None
-> Message-ID: <g92h7147.6.714678147@giraffe.ru.ac.za>
-> Date: 24 Aug 92 17:42:27 GMT
->
-> In article <1992Aug20.182732.3315@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
-> sihd_ss@uhura.cc.ro
-> >  Anyway, when I'd first try to wake myself up, it's like feeling
-> paralized >and I'd try to shake or get up or whatnot.  Sometimes I'd
-> actually think that >my arms were in the air but they actually
-> probably weren't.  Well, the whole >experience felt like I was
-> suffocating or as if I were engulfed in something. >When I finally
-> succeed in waking up it feels like I'm breaking thru something >and
-> then I have a hard time going back to sleep.
-> > Sometimes I'd fall back asleep into the same situation.  It hasn't
-> >happened lately but I'd be interested in hearing if someone else has
-> had >a similar experience.
->
-> I have had similar experiences. It normally happens to me in the
-> morning when I have, say, woken up an hour earlier than neccessary. I
-> then lie in bed in a state of near-consciousness. Sometimes I have a
-> dream that I have got out of bed and started doing something... And
-> then I really wake up and find that I was dreaming.
->
-> I too find that I can't break out of dreams during this phase. Often
-> I will have one dream that lasts for the whole time until I must get
-> up. When this happens, I really try to break out of the dream, but I
-> can't. I just get caught up in the dream and have no control. Its
-> like my subconscious hasn't finished with me yet and needs a bit more
-> time!! 8-)
->
-> Has anyone else experienced this sort of thing??

This happen to me alot I don't even think about it much I just figured
that it's something I have to deal with though usally it happens when I
get up early for some reason run up stars like if I hear some thing
fall(this is because my dad has sicer so I have got us to reacting fast)
or if I realies I forgot to start the wash and I nead cloths towar for
school then after the proble is solved I ussaly go back to sleep and
nothing I repeat nothing wakes me up, my family has trie helling, glass
of water and so on and I sleep right through it. Is that what happens to
you.

                                        David H.
                                                                           
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: mechanics in dreams
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.225038.1@husky1.stmarys.ca> gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>Has anyone out there in dreamland been able to get machanical devices in dreams
>to actually work?  I've given up on makin em work in my dreams, i just use 
>hokus pokus magic which seems to work fine.  ( O' course it would be more fun
>if i could get the damn grenade launchers to work.  Maybe i need to read the
>instructions? ;)  Anybody got any ideas?
>
>Bill.
>

No ideas, other than that if you hear about one person's success, it may
influence your dreamself by knowing it's possible.
Cars, Bikes, Jetpacks, roller skates, single-seat space cruiser, needle guns,
normal guns and rifles, even a refrigerator that had a working light and kept
things cold.  All these and more I've had success with over the years.
Luck.  :-)

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
		
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mage@torment.caltech.edu (Myke Hoskins)
Subject: Re: Drug-induced dreams
Organization: Bughunters, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:45:39 GMT

ob Geraghty <robg@citr.uq.oz.au> writes:

>Driving down to Jenny Lake, I left my parents at the car and walked down
>to the water.  Turning around, for the next thirty seconds the whole
>sequence of events was *exactly* what had happened in a dream a year or
>so before.
>
>I had never been to the US before.  This is a mundane sequence of
>events - what could possibly cause this subliminally?
>
>My own theory is that this sort of thing happens all the time - for most
>people, they don't remember the original dream and call it Deja-vu.
>
>As to *how* it happens - maybe I'll leave that to alt.conciousness ....

	I used to get experiences od deja-vu fairly often when I was a 
child, and then they just stopped happening.  However, one time in my 
teens I was under the influence of a common hallucinogen, and this happened.
	I was sitting on the curb outside of a convenience store, and a friend
>
>My own theory is that this sort of thing happens all the time - for most
>people, they don't remember the original dream and call it Deja-vu.
>
>As to *how* it happens - maybe I'll leave that to alt.conciousness ....

	I used to get experiences od deja-vu fairly often when I was a 
child, and then they just stopped happening.  However, one time in my 
teens I was under the influence of a common hallucinogen, and this happened.
	I was sitting on the curb outside of a convenience store, and a friend
of mine was beside me with a small american flag, and a cupful of water.  I
was quite amazed to hear her say, "That's all a girl needs... flag and water."
Amazed because with it came the unmistakeable conviction that I had heard
her say those exact words under these exact circumstances before.
	After considering it later with a clearer head, I was fairly certain
that nothing even close to that had ever happened to me before.  But it made
me wonder if possibly the brain can become confused in some manner (not
necessarily just under the influence of chemicals) that causes it to not
actually remember the same thing happening before, but only give you the
conviction that you've seen it before.  In other words, the higher order
feeling of recognition being strongly triggered even though ther isn't actually
a memory of it.  This makes sense to me based especially on the fact that 
I never have had even the slightest evidence that I had remembered/dreamed
the occurance before I acutally saw it, other than that feeling of
recognition.  Just a thougt.
	mage@sandman.cco.caltech.edu
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