From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.043417.8257@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.000509.357@btcs.bt.co.uk> traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>Next I suppose you will tell me that candida infestation is all a
>>figment of people's imagination as well?
>
>Well, everyone has candida in their gut.  It's part of the normal flora.
>Candidiasis (that is, an overgrowth causing a variety of symptoms), with
>the exception of vaginal infections, is very very rare, and is seen mostly
>in people with impaired immune systems (and I don't mean "meat eaters",
>I mean people with AIDS, on cancer chemotherapy, people with uncontrolled
>diabetes, etc.)  Even antibiotic therapy does not cause this as often as
>it is claimed by the Yeast Police.  The pop-culture phenomenon of "yeast/
>candida" as a cause of diffuse illness in otherwise healthy individuals
>is just nonsense.  It attracts people who might have been suffering from
>"neurasthenia" or "hysteria" back in the 19th century.

You have a knack of dismissing things as nonsense without backing up
your claims. *You* are nonsense Mr. Dyer. You come into this newsgroup
purporting to be some kind of medical know-it-all and dismiss work
performed by thousands of people as "just nonsense".

>>>I did in a later article.  This is a remedy for a diease which
>>>doesn't exist.  There's no such thing as "impacted feces".
>>
>>Now you really are showing your *ignorance*. Try reading up on
>>diverticulitis.
>
>"Impacted??"  Get real.

Pardon? Are you telling me diverticulitis does not concern impacted faeces?

> And perhaps you might read what I said about
>diverticulitis in a later article.  Listen, the proponents of colon
>"hygiene" are not talking about diverticulitis.  They're talking about
>your colon as a toxic waste dump, slowly poisoning you until you decide
>to follow their regimen, at which point your hair gets shiny again and
>everything starts going your way.

You are being foolish here. *Read* the books. They make no such claims.

>>>The only assertions I ever make are those which are commonly accepted
>>>by reputable scientific research.  I know that won't count for much in
>>>some people's eyes.  So be it.
>>You still haven't provided *one* reference.
>
>Look it up, Michael.  Stretch yourself.

You stretch yourself Steve. You come into this newsgroup spouting
shite and consistently fail to provide suitable references.

>>That's the way, assume a superior attitude without bothering to
>>read what was said. These colon cleansing programs *work*.
>
>Of course they do.  You take a laxative, and shit comes out.  Wow.
>And you feel so fresh-n-clean afterwards.  Kissing sweet.

Most programs do not use laxatives. You are revealing your ignorance
again.

>>Recent studies show a relationship
>>between colon infestation and arthritis as well.
>
>Nonsense.

I must say you are humorous. Try reading the work of Dr Alan Ebringer
from Middlesex Hospital (UK). He has discovered that ankylosing
spondylitis is caused by bowel bacteria.

>>>An unhealthy attention to the "health" of one's colon, and a
>>>desire to "clean" it, is hardly a mark of a vegan or a vegetarian.
>>>Please don't tar folks with such a statement.
>>I personally feel that colon-cleansing is an absolute waste of time
>>for a vegan and probably a waste of time for most vegetarians but
>>that doesn't mean I would knock someone's right to try it out.
>
>It's a waste of time for anyone.

Proof? References? Steve Dyer says so everybody, so it must be so!

>>You however can't help yourself. Whenever an article appears in this
>>newsgroup that is outside your narrow medical perspective you
>>insist on jumping up and down shouting 'bunkum' for all to hear.
>
>If not me, who?  If not now, when?  They'd never hear it otherwise.

We don't want to hear this crap in rec.food.veg! Go away and hassle
the people in the sci. newsgroups. If someone wants "expert"
medical opinion thay will seek you out I'm sure.

This is rec.food.veg. It is a newsgroup for people interested in
the vegetarian lifestyle. Many new vegetarians feel that it may
be a good idea to clean their colon as part of the change to
that lifestyle. No one has asked for a debunking of colon-cleansing.


-- 
Michael Traub