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From: abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier)
Subject: Re: Hatfield and the North question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:22:00 GMT

In article <mNRuVB1w165w@bluemoon.use.com>, buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes...
>     I just bought H and the N's "Rotters Club" on CD.  GREAT album- the 
>sort of thing that takes a few listens to really understand.
>     Anyway, does anyone know when and where the bonus tracks on the CD 
>were recorded?  The last two ("Oh, Len's Nature" and "Lying And Gracing") 
>sound like live recordings, but there is no information in the liner notes 
>about this.  Thanks for any assistance, and if there are any more obscure 
>groups in this vein to check out (I'm familiar with National Health, Henry 
>Cow, etc.) please let me know.

Second your opinion on "Rotters", one of my all-time faves. In the good old
days (sounding like an old fart, but I ain't) I had a radio spot on WMUC
(88.1 FM in College Park, MD, all of 10 watts!) which I called "The Rotters
Club" and opened every show with 'Share It'. Any old listeners out there?
It was Saturdays from 3pm-6pm, 1981-82. Hello if you're still around.

The 2 tracks mentioned were originally released on an LP called "Afters" which 
was a smattering of cuts from the 2 Hatfield lp's, a couple of singles, and
some live tracks (including 'Halfway Between Heaven and Earth', which is faded
into so that it's hard to tell it's live). When the CD versions of 
"Hatfield and the North" and "Rotter's Club" were released they included 
the extras that appeared on "Afters" (split amongst the 2 CD's). If you can 
find a copy of "Afters" pick it up just to read Dave Stewart's always-
hilarious liner notes. Then put it back in the bin and buy the first CD, 
and you'll have everything except a version of 'Your Majesty Is Like A 
Cream Donut/Oh What A Lonely Lifetime' from a Virgin Records sampler.

'Oh, Len's Nature' is actually a version of the Matching Mole tune called 
'Nan's True Hole' from "Little Red Record". Matching Mole is another group 
in the Hatfield/Health/Cow vein; the lineup consisted of Robert Wyatt (Soft 
Machine) on drums, Phil Miller (Hatfield, Health) on guitar, Bill McCormick 
(Roxy Music, Random Hold) on bass, and David Sinclair (Caravan) on keys, 
later replaced by Dave McRae. "Little Red Record" was their 2nd and last, 
the first was self-titled. Both are available on CD.

You might also check out a couple of U.S. bands in this vein, the Muffins 
and However. Wayside music carries some of their stuff, or did last time I 
checked. Start with "Manna/Mirage" by the Muffins if you can find it, or 
Fred Frith's "Gravity", one side of which is a collaberation with the
Muffins.

enjoy

Gary ("One of these days I'll come up with a sig file") Mosier

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:06:12 GMT

piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor) writes:
>MH> I find this one a little weak, though I love Dave Stewart and
>MH> Hillage much. I think it's a little past Egg's time, or just about. 

>Don't ask why, but it fascinates me that you don't like this album.  I admit
>that it's one of my favorites by either Hillage or Stewart.  Though it's not
>as complex as some of their other works (particularly Stewart's), I find the
>album to be well crafted and very effective.  I think the title sums up the
>entire effect of the album.  =8)

I dunno, I've had this for 10 years plus and never really got as into it as
other Hillage. I'll give it a whirl and see if I can figure out why. 

  - malcolm  
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From: michaell@snake5.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Boxed Set vs. Studio albums
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.034918.10068@tc.cornell.edu> stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Stevan Vidic) writes:
>In article <42683@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pvallado@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid ) writes:
>>Should I get _The Great Deceiver_ boxed set or the three studio
>>albums from that era (_Lark's Tongue in Aspic_,_Red_,_Starless and
>>Bible Black_)?  Please state the reason for your choice. What does
>>the boxed set have that the three studio albums don't have and vice
>>versa.
>
>Doing this, you won't get the live CD from the boxed set.  Is this a
>problem?  I don't think so.  Want live stuff?  Get the live boxed set.


Stevan confused _The Great Deceiver_ with _The Essential King Crimson_.

I don't have a strong opinion which way ---  I'd head towards getting the
studio albums, but that's just because some essential songs (such as Red) are
not represented on the live set.  I'd say get the Boxed Set and Red, really.

Michael Lee

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Ose info, anyone?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:48:30 GMT

craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:

>Does anyone have any info on the French (I think) band Ose?
>I heard a track from an album of theirs on an Egg Records
>sampler and have wanted to get a copy of this album (I'm 
>sure it isn't out on CD yet, but hey, give it a week...).
>I do know that Richard Pinhas contributed a little Moog 55
>work to this release.

Yup, french. Pinhas does contribute, but I don't think on guitar, or
at least not too prominently. I used to have this (long ago stolen) and 
I recall it as being pretty heavily synth oriented and liking it. But I 
haven't heard this since the lp disappeared in 1984... The LP was
called Adonia, and I think it was somewhat Dune connected somehow.

  - Malcolm  
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From: marco@itnsg1.cineca.it (Marco Olivotto)
Subject: Re: Clair Hamill from The Steve Howe Album
Organization: (none) (standard disclaimer applies)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:37:31 GMT

<LPR100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Can anyone tell me anything about Clair Hamill? All I know is that
>she sang on "Look Over Your Shoulder" on the Steve Howe Album, so
>I thought this might be the newsgroup to ask. I am interested in
>hearing more from her, and any information would be appreciated.

	This is not a lot, but I have a CD issued by Claire Hamill.
It is listed as "New Age" (can't remember which label or collection),
and it is called "Voices". It mainly consists of sampled vocal tracks
and there are no instruments at all. She made up several layers of
sounds, therefore creating a sort of "a capella arrangement", but it
is a very experimental thing anyway.
	It is interesting, though I wouldn't call it beautiful. Also,
she shows quite a broad dynamic and tonal range.

	All that I know, sorry!

	Ciao, Marco "We know the shadows move on course"
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From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:15:08 GMT


*****  SIMPLE SURVEY -- PLEASE READ *****

I have seen much talk about Sinead on the net lately, 
and was wondering what the general opinion of Sinead
was.  Please take the 20 seconds it takes to reply to
this question and answer it.  (A simple Y or N will do).
Please use your newsreader's reply option or regular
email to submit votes -- do not post your answer.

Question:
Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
Sinead O'Connor?

If you wish to send detailed replies as to why or why not,
please do, but they are not required.  Thanks in advance!

Jason Boardman
boarjas@elof.iit.edu
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Art of Noise (first album)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:43:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <Bz61A4.E55@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gershbei@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Michael Gershbein) writes:
> In <1992Dec11.085249.19825@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
> >What was the song the Art of Noise did somewhere in the neighborhood
> >of 1983, where the video had them going around in circles attacking
> >a piano with chainsaws and a little girl with make-up on saying "Hey"?

> "Close to the Edit" from Who's Afraid of...  Directed by Zbigneiw something or
> other (he did a similar Yoko Ono video)

Zbignew Rydzinski, I believe...one of the best video directors I've
seen.  He also won an Oscar in 84-85 for best short foreign film, and
accepted it while he was obviously sloshed (he later said that he
thought he didn't have a chance to win, so he hit the champagne big time).


Kevin

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From: dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne Gilles-Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gryphon  Was: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:46:46 GMT
Organization: UB



Red Queen to Gyphon Three is a *great* progressive album.  
But from your description you might prefer their first (?)
album simply entitled _Gryphon_.  Almost exclusively acoustic
whereas RQtGT adds electronic guitar and a more progressive
*rock* sound to it.  I believe _Gryphon_ was released in
1973 on Transatlantic Records.  Instrumentation includes
things like crumhorns, recorders, harpsicord, glockenspiel,
guitar...
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Keywords: Kaye, Squire
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:14:30 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec16.182209.26227@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> ckaplan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Charles Kaplan) writes:
 
|	I would love to see everyone postup there Yes collections, 

Maybe alt.music.yes isn't such a bad idea afterall.


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From: lachm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARTIN LACHANCE)
Subject: Genesis - Watcher Of The Skies
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:21:01 GMT

  I'm looking desperately for the Watcher Of The Skies scores for keyboard.
If anybody have ever seen them somewhere, I would like to know it.

  Thanks!

  Martin
lachm00@dmi.usherb.ca
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant: Where are they now?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:11:50 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <MARKG.92Dec14062048@rigel.cs.pdx.edu> markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay) writes:
|>The Yes concert was fantastic but Gentle Giant stunk up the place so 
|>badly 15,000 people practically booed them off the stage.
|
|Must have been a bad night.  I saw that tour in Seattle.  Gentle Giant
|played one of the best shows that I've ever seen, Yes was a much bigger 
|production, and I was more familiar with the music, but Gentle Giant was 
|every bit as impressive that night. 

Must have been a really bad night.  I saw GG a long time ago opening for
of all people Alvin Lee.  Gentle Giant put on a great show.  Unfortunately
many of the people there to see Alvin Lee couldn't appreciate them and were
fairly vocal about it.
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: King Crimson Newbie
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:26:21 GMT

In article <uyJyVB2w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>  
writes:
> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
> 
> > In article <1992Dec12.193652.7200@metrosoft.com> I wrote:
> > >
> > > [some stuff about "Lizard"]
> > >
> > 
> > Forgot to mention that this is the one place that I'm aware
> > of that you get to hear Jon Anderson sing for King Crimson.
> > Determining whether this is a Good Idea or not is left as an
> > excercise for the reader. :-) 
>  
> I thought he sang on "Starless And Bible Black" (the album
> -- not sure which  track, but I'm sure SABB was the album) 

You must have different liner notes (and a different
pressing!) from the ones I have. The liner notes for SABB
don't make any reference to Jon Anderson and I'm quite
certain that it's John Wetton singing on all the vocal
tracks.  

However, the liner notes for "Lizard" indicate that "Jon
Anderson of YES Vocals on 'Prince Rupert Awakes'" and it
sure sounds like his crooning to me... 

Of course, perhaps he's singing "21st Century Schizoid Man" on  
Earthbound... :-)

Gordon
 
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Technically speaking (was Re: Tony Banks vs Keith Emerson)
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:55:48 GMT

> In article <1992Dec14.154333.5886@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
> mcleman@decwet.enet.dec.com writes:
>
> Actually one of the easiest pieces by Emerson is Karn Evil
> Nine, 3rd impression. With a B3, a moog 3, and a korg, I can
> do it exactly as he does.  
> 

Send us a atpe and we'll let you know... :-)

Gordon
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From: dmarkfie@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Markfield)
Subject: Audion
Summary: What is a subscription address etc for Audion?
Keywords: Audion
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:22:41 GMT


Thought I do something that was long overdue.....

What is the subscription address and cost for Audion....I know its been
mentioned before but I can't find it.  Also info on SI would be cool.
(or for that matter any other prog magazines of note)

later

Dave

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle)
Subject: Re: Internet Radio Station
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:17:03 GMT

In article <10194@pyrdc.UUCP>, craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:
|> And now for something completely different...
|> 
|> Lets us all use our imagination here for a few minutes. Let's
|> suppose that you work at a radio station that is letting you
|> do a broadcast on progressive music and you can play anything you
|> want. What sort of playlist would you come up with that would run
|> for, say, an hour? What would be the theme of your show (Marillion
|> influenced bands? All these songs feature the Mellotron? Japanese
|> progressives that sing in English? Be creative!) 
|> 
|> I'm asking this not because I work for a radio station, but to see
|> what kind of programs people come up with and maybe come up with
|> a good sampler tape of other people's "shows". I'm working on mine
|> and will post it. Have fun!
|> 

I did have a radio show at Colgate Univ. at 3:00am where I was virtually
allowed to play anything (with a few required rotations).  I played all
kinds of yes, henry cow, hatfield, art bears... and was summarily dismissed!
It appears that the manager did not think the music was "hip" enough to
play, even for a voulenteer DJ at 3 am!  "You can play anything you want...
as long as it's REM & U2."



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From: hhillman@TrentU.CA (teapot)
Subject: Twelfth Night
Reply-To: hhillman@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:08:11 GMT

Does anyone know what Twelfth Night has been up to lately. I saw them many 
times in the early 1980's. _Fact & Fiction_ was a fantastic album as was 
the live _Live and Let Live_. I know Geoff mann left and was replaced by 
Andy Sears who sang on _Art & Illusion_. 
Where are they now????
From: Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: King Crimson Newbie
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:09:41 EST
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:

> In article <1992Dec12.193652.7200@metrosoft.com> I wrote:
> >
> > [some stuff about "Lizard"]
> >
> 
> Forgot to mention that this is the one place that I'm aware
> of that you get to hear Jon Anderson sing for King Crimson.
> Determining whether this is a Good Idea or not is left as an
> excercise for the reader. :-) 
 
I thought he sang on "Starless And Bible Black" (the album -- not sure which 
track, but I'm sure SABB was the album)
 
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  very happy that Tower Records restocked the King Crimson section!

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Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:49:38 EST
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <92+r=f_@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

	[ deletions ]

>To recap, Hillage has been involved recently with UK band The Orb, and The
>Orb have returned the favor by collaborating on Hillage's project System 7.
>Hillage cowrote and coproduced two tracks on The Orb's first album
>'Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld' ("Supernova At The End Of The Universe"
>and "Back Side Of The Moon") and the leadoff single from their current
>'U.F.Orb' ("Blue Room").  

	[ lots of interesting stuff deleted ]

I am confused since on my (American) copy of Adventures
Beyond The Ultraworld there are no such tracks! The "Back
Side Of The Moon" is present at the Peel Sessions album,
while at Adventures there is another (20+ minutes) 
track cowritten by Hillage - "the huge ever growing 
pulsating brain that rules from the centre of ultraworld".

Could you please explain the difference between
the version of Adventures I got and yours?

BTW, this "the huge ever growing..." composition has 
absolutely nothing to do with techno - it sounds
like the most numbingly repetitive guitar-sequencer-
based track of middle-seventies Tangerine Dream.

Misha.
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From: kutcha@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Phillip Rzewski)
Subject: Re: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:45:18 GMT


    I honestly don't know the exact dates it's supposed to be going back to,
but I know that Anthony Phillips makes some ground with really old-style
tunes in "The Geese and the Ghost" and the first two or three "Private Parts
and Pieces" albums.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:31:04 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Internet Radio Station

Hmm, I have a 3hr radio show each week that features the best of Progressive
music (well, as much of it that I am familiar with...) called "The Spirit of
Radio"...

Featured bands include:  Yes, Rush, Marillion, Genesis, King Crimson, ELP,
various spinoff bands of the preceding (ie. Asia, ABWH, Gabriel solo...), plus
various bands that aren't quite Progressive, but have an influence (well, I
think they do) like Dream Theater, Faith No More, Extreme and Queensryche...

If ya want, I can dig out a songlist from a show this semester and type it in,
but it's usually just three hours of whatever I want to play...

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: jssloka@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Scott Sloka)
Subject: Jon and Kitaro
Keywords: Jon
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:56:50 GMT

Keyboard magazine had an article this month reviewing an album by Kitaro featuring
Jon Anderson on vocals.  Has anyone heard this album?  I'd love to buy it but it
costs quite a bit here and it be nice to hear from people in the know how it is
before I lay down the quid.  Thanks in advance.

			-Scott
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Emerson, Lake & Palmer In Concert
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:33:53 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <5563@daily-planet.concordia.ca> gpkatch@alcor.concordia.ca (Gary Katch) writes:
 
|My most cherished ELP memory was getting to go to the arena
|where the band and orchestra rehearsed for that tour.  A friend
|of mine knew some record company bigwig, and he let us sit
|and watch.  I got to see my heroes casual, up close, goofing
|off.  Emerson would often break into funny improvisations
|after the conductor interrupted or after mistakes.

I'd have to say that my most cherished ELP memory (actually just Emerson)
would be the time he sat in with my ex-roommates club band in a place with
a maximum occupancy rate of 94.  I was also sitting at the same table as
him, his girlfriend, the drummers girlfriend and the guitarist wife.  He
seemed like a "regular joe" to me.  I talked to him a bit through the first
set until he went and played three songs at the beginning of the second set.
He did "Fanfare", some rondo, and Marc Bonilla's "White Noise" (he also does
a solo on Marc's album on this cut).  During the third set, when the band
was doing "Twist and Shout" he was out of his chair dancing around and singing
along with rest of us.  Later he told me that Marc was the best guitar player
that he'd ever seen.

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