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From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Duncan MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:42:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1edu83INN6an@agate.berkeley.edu>, cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu writes...
>In article <Bxx0J4.FvJ@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
> 
>[Where he comes from, apple juice and cider are different substances.]
> 
>OK, I live and learn.  In California supermarkets they are exactly
>the same stuff--filtered, pasteurized, and the only differences are the
>word on the label and the color of the label.

I would mention to all good gentles that an excellent reference
(although exceedingly OOP) for the fermentation products of
apples is Annie Proulx's "Sweet and Hard Cider" available from
Graden Way Publishing (I think). She covers everything from
growing the apples, selecting the best varieties for a good
product, the fermentation mechanism, and even how to build a
highly-illegal still in your kitchen out of copper tubing and
a pressure cooker. Really, a nifty book. As a data point, Proulx
uses the term "cider" to refer exclusively to fermented apple
juice - I know not if this is the correct usage.
Back to the carboys!
-Duncan
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Per pale potenty purpure and argent, in pale three roundels counterchanged
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From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com (Bill Sommerfeld)
Subject: Re: Lute volume
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:45:27 GMT
	<880840m.53.722185337@ace.acadiau.ca> <mjc.722276420@NL.CS.CMU.EDU>
	<446-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP> <1992Nov22.150742.11372@news.arc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Hewlett Packard

In article <1992Nov22.150742.11372@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:

   In article <446-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP>, Godfrey de Shipbrook <jlee@smylex.UUCP> writes:

   |> (Of course, as someone hath said, if a lute is in the room with another 
   |> instrument, the lute cannot be heard -- even if the other instrument is 
   |> silent.)

   "...It's a very nice Lute, I hope you enjoy it...

   ...think of it while you're listening to the Bagpipes."

For those not familiar with this remark, it was said by that curiously
reknowned musician, and musicologist of dubious repute, Peter
Schickele.  BTW, in addition to researching the work of the last and
least of Bach's children, he also is a modern composer in his own
right.

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From: ejcampbe@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC JON CAMPBELL)
Subject: ye is the
Originator: ejcampbe@c00056-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ejcampbe@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC JON CAMPBELL)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:36:30 GMT


Keywords: 

scadians  it is time to wake and smell the coffee the word ye is pronounced the 
as a language professor informed me last night there is a letter in the norse
 alphabet that signifies "th" and that in early text this letter was used and 
latter became a y this means that the word the pronunciation of ye as the is
 period
yats all I had to say

In service
    Xavier



From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Scottish garb help needed...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:55:16

Milord, could you post your e-mail address?  We're gated in on a 
 Fidonet acces, and I can't "see" your address.
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth

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From: greg@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Hossein Ali Qomi (mka Gregory F. Rose))
Subject: Re: homage and fealty questions
Organization: The Rialto
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:23:54 GMT

Unto the good gentles of the Rialto does Hossein Ali Qomi send greetings
and prayers for the blessings of Allah.

Graydon writes:

>Hossein, you seem to be asserting that there can be no fealty without
>homage.
>
>Two questions - what is the feudal relationship between, say, the
>Arch-bishop of Canterbury as Chancellor of England and the King of
>England? and, what was the basis of a contract that didn't involve
>homage?

First, the remarks which I posted on homage and fealty addressed _secular_
relationships, as that was the venue from which Tibor's question arose.

Second, I think you have confused the holding of office with the
investiture question.  From the conquest to Anselm, English bishops followed
the practice of Norman bishops -- they were invested with their temporalities
by the king (or Duke, in Normandy) and made homage and swore fealty.  The
investiture dispute between William Rufus and Anselm was over whether
the king should invest with both spiritualities and temporalities.  It was
resolved in the reign of Henry I with the compromise that bishop-candidates
made homage and swore fealty to the king prior to their consecration and
then were invested with the temporalities by the king.  The continental case
is rather more complex, but, Deo gratia, you asked about the English one.
Now, as for holding office: this was not a _feudal_ relationship at all;
in the Anglo-Norman and Angevin period most officeholders were already in
homage and fealty when they entered office (because of land holdings).
The officeholder took an oath of fidelity and obedience to the king upon
assuming office.

There is no such thing as a land-holding contract in England after the
conquest which was not based on a feudal relationship until late in the
13th century.  The form of contract which overtook homage was indenture.

Best Wishes,

Hossein/Greg


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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:06:37 GMT

In article <1ec2jsINNr7p@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>
>Put a gallon of apple juice/cider (in American markets it makes no
>difference)

Milady, I beg to differ on this point, small though it be. For me, at least,
there is a great deal of difference between apple juice and apple cider (and
I don't refer to the fermented ciders of England, nor distilled apple jack).

To me, apple juice is that clear liquid, usually made from concentrate and
laced so heavily with preservatives that you and I will be so much dust
long before it goes bad. Apple cider, on the other hand, is pressed right
from the apples and bottled. Mostly it is cloudy, and, if left alone in the
refrigerator too long, will turn bad. It is the latter, IMHO that makes the
best mulled cider. Of course, it occurs to me that you could have run across
a distributor of cider that mislabels it juice. I will admit that I have seen
this, though rarely, and perhaps this is what you meant.

As for that wonderful fermented drink the English send over here, I will one
day try my hand at laying in a batch. I've recently acquired a rather nice
book on the subject of fermenting cider. Very concise, down to listing the
various laws in this country for the manufacture of alchoholic beverages by
the private individual.

As a side note to the vintners on the Rialto, this is the perfect time to
start a batch of long mead for the coming millenium. Seven years maturation
is just about right, and your mead should be ready for opening New Year's
Eve, 1999.

In service,
Corun



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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Sealing wax
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:22:06 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Unto Herr Peder Klingerode, doth Thomas Ignatius Perigrinus send his greetings,

	Yes, My Lord, when I did say terpentine, I did mean spirits or oil of
terpentine.  I was pleased to see thy receipies, and have already saved them
in my growing collections of writings of interest found on the Rialto.  Or,
as one who doth live closer unto thee might say - "Tak f|r brevet".

Thomas
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: European vs American
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:07:31 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>        Before you get too excited, this sort of technology is still
>largely experimental 

In Australia, maybe.  In the United States, most large cities now have
photofinishers that will take a roll of film, or a strip of negatives,
and put the pictures onto Kodak PhotoCD.

>We haven't decided *how* the rare and fragile books should
>be scanned (and then there's copyright and royalty payments to the
>owners of the books, etc).

In the US, copyright lasts for 50 years after the life of the author.  
This may differ in other countries, but I doubt that pre-1600 books
would be protected by copyright anywhere.

-- Nicholas van Leyden
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: I am still bewildered
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:32:10

    Tibor wrote:
 MS> Mikjal Annabjorn makes a few suggestions:
 MS>   1.  Names and Heraldry.
 MS>   [ . . . ]                      Plus, there is nothing wrong with
 MS>   establishing a higher standard of authenticity or documentation
 MS>   support for  names and devices submitted by the Schwarzdrachen Herald
 MS>   than that of the other kingdoms in general, so long as the guidelines
 MS>   are clearly spelled  out in the procedures for the kingdom heralds
 MS>   office.

 MS> Except that it would be unenforceable, as appeals of returns would be
 MS> sent to Lord Laurel, who would pass anything that met his guidelines.

 On the other hand, this would successfully deter anyone who didn't feel
 sufficiently strongly about it to pursue an appeal. In my experience,
 stricter in-Kingdom standards work most (~75%) of the time if they are
 explained properly - which of course requires good communications between
 the senior and local heralds and submitters.

    Tadhg, Obelisk


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From: kim@babbage.csus.edu (Kim Conway)
Subject: Re: Autocrating advice
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:32:51 GMT

I just want to say "thank you", to all of you who posted or e-mailed me
advice on autocrating an event. All your suggestions have been useful.
I am still open to suggestions and advice, so please feel free to pass
them on. Thanks agains for all your help.

 

 ------                     Tara of the Clan O'Conghalaigh
 --/ __.  __  __.           Shire of Mountain's Gate/ Principality of
(_/ (_/|_/ (_(_/|_             Cynagua / Kingdom of the West


(MKA :  Kimberley Conway)


 

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From: mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston)
Subject: Re: "period" wristwatches
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:52:24 GMT

G.Guth (guth@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca) wrote:
: On the topic of telling the time, just when were the first pocket watches
: made?  I have a feeling that they, in their earliest forms, are not too
: OOP.
: 
: Which leads to another question...how did ladies and gentlemen of means
: tell time in period?  I'm especially interested in late period.  Was it
: sundials all the way through?

	There were a number ways of telling time in period, one of which
was marked candles (the candle burns to the five O'Clock mark at five
O'Clock etc.). I don't know if water timing is quite period, but this
should not be too difficult to research. |-)

: 
: Just curious..
: Richard Britnell of Salisbury.
: 
-- 
Conrad Leviston	 | Got to find a brightness in the soul,
mongoose@yoyo.	 | Not look outside to find out where we are,
cc.monash.edu.au | Otherwise you won't be satisfied, 
Save the gherkin | 'Til you've made possession of the stars. (K.Wallinger)
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From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: You know you're in the SCA when....
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:53:02 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

... you read an article about a bow-making class to be held at a local
    museum with great interest, until you realize that they're talking
    about decorating Christmas packages. ;-)

By-the-by, to the person who inquired earlier, permission is hereby granted
to publish anything I've written under this subject line.  Credit is preferred,
a courtesy copy for my files would be wonderful.

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
Pirates of the Carribean Event - Dec 12 - Rhydderich Hael - Write for details.
From: del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Facsimile IL BALLARINO?? Where? 
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:03:30 GMT
Organization: 


In article <009635AE.45692A20.6091@trln.lib.unc.edu> sherman@trln.lib.unc.EDU writes:

  > Do you have a source for IL BALLARINO?  Where?  I want it!!!

From Letter of Dance, #5:

  Marco Fabrito Caroso.  Il Ballarino (Venice: 1581).  Facsimile reprint
  by Broude Brothers (New York: 1967).

Now all you need is a NY telephone directory, to find out their address,
which LoD failed to publish ... (and I have spent over a year trying to
find it).

Del
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From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Isles in Caid
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.urcat.721949247

Darn University schedule.....
I saw the heading, and lost the article (expired....)
Anyone save it or can tell me the question, etc....?
Living in the Shire of the Isles in Caid, and not seeing anyone else
from here on the Rialto....I'm bummed to have lost the article.

*sigh*

Eilidh Swan
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                  eilidh@cs.ucsb.edu       -- Eilidh is Celtic for Ellen
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From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Lute tunings
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:07:42 GMT

In article <446-JNEWS-2.1@smylex.UUCP>, Godfrey de Shipbrook <jlee@smylex.UUCP> writes:

|> I tune it to G now -- which gives me the added benefit that, for the first 
|> few minutes after it's tuned, my lute can actually play in tune with 
|> another instrument...  :-)
|> 
|> (Of course, as someone hath said, if a lute is in the room with another 
|> instrument, the lute cannot be heard -- even if the other instrument is 
|> silent.)

"...It's a very nice Lute, I hope you enjoy it...

...think of it while you're listening to the Bagpipes."


:^>

(first time I heard the "Concertina for 6 solo instruments
 and string orchestra, I nearly split a gut laughing.)

---
Chris
From: del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: sinister fighters and others 
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 09:38:24 GMT
Organization: 


In article <9211102102.AA24992@kiwi.tropix.uucp> sgg@tropel.gca.COM writes:

  > Hello Bridge club:

Well, I mostly play 500 myself :)

  > Anyone else notice that left handers make up a much higher percentage
  > of SCA (and for that matter Fannish) populations then the 10% "norm".

Well, if hitting people with sticks is anything like hitting balls
with sticks, look at Cricketers.  About 40-50% of international level
cricketers are lefties.  How does that compare with baseballers?

Del
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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: period
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:04:46

 c> I'm glad to hear this.  I don't HAVE anything High Renaissance, and judging
 c> from the length of time it takes me to get a T-tunic done these days,
 c> I never will....

 Hmmnn -- you must do a more finished, spiff job on t-tunics than I do -- I  made one between work and dance practice the other night, including a  finished neck.  Took abut 2 hours, including layout and ironing. Didn't hem  it, I'm going to let the fabric fringe out at the bottom, which I'm told is  a period option and has worked nicely on another full-length tunic.

 -- vashti


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From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: "Enchanted events..."
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:59:44

 U>    Would it be possible to have "enchanted events"?  Probably small
 U> events, heavily announced ahead of time that this is probably *not*
 U> a good event for a newbie, reasonably authentic garb reqired, and
 U> so forth.  Again, perhaps do it as a "shire party" (announced in the
 Ansteorra has had some success with running more specifically 
 authentic and/or diversified events.  Some folks used to run a 
 period-all-the-way feast, we had a 12th ce. Silesian tourney running 
 for a while.  While it is true that none of these made a point of turning away those who either weren't up to snuff or weren't appropriatly  attired, the narrower time span tends to produce a good event.  
     Once I get a life, I'm going to start up a period-feast event 
 myself.  The only aggravating thing is that I don't think I'll be able 
 to hold it in my personal period, since I'm 12th ce, and the majority 
 of the cooking sources are much later.
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
       Steppes, Ansteorra

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From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:33:06 GMT
Subject: Re: sharp, two-edged swords: Roman period
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Not a flame
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 01:07:16

 JT> SCA chapter), just a thought or two form one who 
 JT> has spent too many hours
 JT> in recent days looking through SCA downloads for useful data.  Is it 
 JT> important whether or not dances/bows/arrows/Coke/etc. are period?  
  With all due respect, good sir, this is rec.org.sca, not medieval.
 info.  True, there may be some here that is good, valid medieval info, 
 and we hope that you will continue to wade through our self-discussions 
 looking for these tidbits.  And, I for one am glad to see others post 
 information about the middle ages and renaissance, for I am here to 
 learn.  But, we will undoubtedly continue to discuss how this can 
 fit into the organization that we all belong to.  For it is that final 
 thing, the SCA event, that all this is pointing at and building up to. 
 Some here are less interested in the history than in the organization 
 -- you will see their complaints if they feel their toes have been 
 stepped upon.
     Fare thee well,
             Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
             Steppes, Ansteorra/Dallas, Texas

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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Lilies (Known World War)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:28:46 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921113153454.320@saturn.uark.edu>,
PAULB@saturn.uark.EDU ("Paul A. Byers") writes:

|>Site: Kelsey Short Youth Camp near Smithville MO (same as last year.)

I can't resist: do they also have a Tall Youth camp?
                                           
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       "Millions for defence, not one cent for tribute!"
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From: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu (Brian Scott Wilson)
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:25:54 GMT


In article 28911@progress.com, schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:
>Braendur, thanks very much for posting the Meridian Law about Patents
>of Arms.  For the trivia minded, did anyone else spot the two Corpora
>violations in the old law?
>
>	Tibor


Just so you will know. Meridian Law is being changed so as not to conflict
with Corpora  any longer. The new Changes are sitting on my desk :)

Sir Brian, Princeps Meridies

From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Dance (non-sca)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:52:48

 GM> I'm looking for musicians and dancers who are planning on attending
 GM> CostumeCon 11, February 12-15 1993 in Pittsburgh, and are willing to
 GM> participate in programming segments. This year the Con is hoping to
 GM> present several 1 hour programs on historical and ethnic dance
 GM> (everything from Medieval to Swing, if we're lucky : so far we've got
 GM> someone for Vienese Waltzes, a Regency group,  and Middle Eastern
 GM> dancers).  Course that leaves a lot of gaps in time, so I'm looking for
 GM> people or groups who are willing to either 1. Perform dancing, 2. Teach 
 GM> dancing, 3. Play live music for performing and teaching, 4. Talk briefly
 GM> about appropriate clothing for the period/dance style.

 Gretchen -- I wish I lived closer, as this is exactly the sort of thing I  love to do....*sigh* but the drive from Dallas is just not possible...

 Am passing the info along to a dancing master in Indiana in the hopes he'll  find you someone....

 BTW-- the best you'll be able to do on the earliest dance is Renaissance --  we have no Medieval dance references extant, alas.  Still, 1400's - on still  gives you a lot of scope.

 Good luck with your con -- I love the idea and wish I could attend!
 Please post how it goes!

 - Vashti of the flaming Tresses




 

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From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: You know you're in the SCA when....
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:58:09 GMT

...you approach some unfamiliar gentles in garb to inquire
   about the event -- is there a tourney or dance practice I
   didn't know about in the area today? -- and they greet you
   with blank stares until one of them says:  "We're in a play."

   It happened today!  :)

Eilidh Swan
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