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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Olympic Freud Bashing
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:16:50 GMT

Ray writes:
> [ before he did the psychoanalysis thang Freud did some real ]
> research (mainly histological) on the CNS

This is well known.

> [being a Jew in Europe] was something that Freud faced in his career

Puts it too politely.  As a Jew he was excluded from academic posts,
killing the career he wanted in CNS research.

> he is credited with "discovery" of the axon.

News to me.  No one else had seen one before?

> little credit is given to Freud in his attempt to come up with a
> viable, testable, and elegant explanation of human behavior.

Probably because he didn't.  Testable has been beaten to death here.
Elegant?  "Theories more complex than the behavior they sought to
explain".

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Black Gavan Chapter four -what if he dropped out of high school
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:58:29 GMT

As the original author of a Penglish article... which I must 
admit has been mutilated beyond recognition... as though thrown into
a perana pond, I wish that this matter be left to rest..
It was not intended for this group.. unless of couse you
want to psychoanalise the writer... in which case I strongly disagree.

thank you.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 22:28:08 EDT
From: Mona E. Strassburger <MSTRASS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject:    PPS (Personal Profile System)

I was just wondering if anyone considers PPS a valid means of determining perso
nality traits.  Should I take this with a grain of salt, or is it worth conside
ration?  I am researching personality traits of leaders in our educational syst
em and I wonder if this is a good measurement tool.  Thanks...
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Instant Addiction
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:13:39 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Distribution: sci.psychology
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.

Todd Heatherton writes:
>dennis mcclain-furmanski writes:
>> the subsequent discovery of the biochemical nature of addictions,
>> particularly with alcohol, made treatment of alcoholics by aversion
>> therapy rather improper...No research in this direction has been
>> seriously considered as viable for many years.

> You are so wrong it is scary.  I thought I might just try to
> ignore you but I would hate others to think that your comments
> had any validity at all.  Your posting is an example of what
> went wrong with this newsgroup.

> For the information of others, issues related to [causes], progression,
> and treatment of addictive behaviors is quite complex, involving
> various genetic, behavioral, physiological, and situational components.
> Please peruse some recent journals on this topic, or any one
> of the numerous excellent books on this topic if you are interesting.
> Whatever you do, ignore the rantings of the previous poster.

I see no reason to.  You have offered nothing to the contrary.

In fact everything you've said is entirely compatible with what
dennis said.  He gave a specific, you have generalities.  He
gave a fact, you gave references.  All of the above are internally
consistent and I'm uniformed of any external inconsistencies.

If you'd like to inform us why we should disbelieve dennis's
assertion, tell us what's incorrect about it specifically.
Is research continuing on aversion conditioning to treat
alcoholism?  Would you care to present an experiment?  Is there
sucessful clinical use?  Would you summarize the results?

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: spissinger@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: obsessed
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:45:17 MET
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <3929@novavax.UUCP>, vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro) writes:
> Hi, I keep getting these nagging dreams about the house where I
> grew up (age 6-12). Specifically, about an incident that happened
> right before we moved.         
> 
> I had put some model airplanes and cars up in the rafters of the
> utility room for storage when I was about 10 or 11. I had to stand up on
> the dryer to place the items between the 2-by-4's. I always meant
> to retrieve the assortment of items, but never did. The last night
> we were in the house, I was going to get the stuff, but some workmen
> were there putting drywall in the ceiling, which sealed my things
> in the rafters forever. 
> 
> Once in a while, I get a realistic dream where I am getting back
> my lost items, only to wake up disappointed. This happened so
> often that I wrote the people at my old address (enclosing a phot of me
> and the house as a kid) explaining what happened. They never contacted
> me. 
> 
> Should I try again, this time with a self addressed stamped envelope?
> Should I just forget it? After all, it's my stuff!
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Nicholas


I think you were more disappointed if you get it than when wake you up after your
dream. I am not a psychologist but I often think about my own dreams and what I
think in your case is that these toys are symbols for your lost childhood. You
could think about the reason for these kind of dreams and forget the stuff.
But I admit the idea of childhood toys forever locked in the ceiling is
fascinating and I can understand that you're obsessed with this.

Dream on!                  Thomas

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: gdg2@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary D. Grayson II)
Subject: Psychology Today?
Reply-To: gdg2@po.CWRU.Edu (Gary D. Grayson II)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 05:31:33 GMT


Hey whatever happened to this magazine? I can't find it anywhere.
Thanx for any info.
-- 
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From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:51:21 CDT
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,misc.education,rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IQ Tests
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1992Jul20.154913.26096@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, by gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart):
>
> My wife and I are starting a study of intelligence testing,
> particularly IQ tests, and especially those intended for
> children.  If anyone has any copies of tests, those they've
> taken or given, any related material, etc., we would
> appreciate it.  Thanks in advance!

Note that all tests with adequate validity and reliability must be
individually administered by an experienced psychological assessor, and
ethically speaking cannot be released outside of the profession due to the
possibility of misuse.

Or so the psycho-logical types tell me, anyhow.

Any IQ test you can get on the open market as a Joe Smoe citizen is likely
to be a "pop psychology" one, intent upon lightening your pocket rather
than upon enlightening you.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: holloway@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bill Holloway)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: object relations books
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:38:46 GMT
Distribution: sci.psychology
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin


	Anybody got a recommendation for a good book on object
relations/personality theory?  I'm just getting interested in this area.
From: mccla_d@aelle.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: RE: Instant Addiction
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:00:17 GMT
Distribution: sci.psychology
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA

larry@cs.com says:

[having read pre-crack cocaine stuff, that...]

> ... if a person cannot get cocaine, they will quickly lose their addiciton.

Crack or flake, they will quickly lose their tolerance. Coke metabolizes very
quickly. As for the addiction, as measured by withdrawals, they can persist 
for up to 18 months. Symptoms of withdrawals have been noted this far along
with visual stimuli only. They're termed 'triggers'. Although they're a likely
component of other addictions, they're particularly strong with coke. One
individual reported going into craves after seeing an anti-drug poster with
powder and a syringe.  Ironic.

Smith & Wesson's _Treating The Cocaine Abuser_ from Hazeldon (1985) is a
good source, although there's plenty newer.
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,sci.cognitive,misc.education
From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Critical Thinking and Education
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:13:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.194337.29174@Princeton.EDU> mbauer@dae.Princeton.EDU (Malcolm Bauer) writes:
>I've been asked to forward this to the net for a friend. Please respond to
>the e-mail address below and to the list (if a discussion breaks out, I
>can forward the posts to her).
>-------------------------
>I've become involved in a project to develop a curriculum for high school
>students that will help them "think critically."
>           My E-mail address is NJPORTER@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU
  The best advice that I have seen so far is to get rid of those public/
hischool courses which are called "english" and replace them with a course
where the English language is taught.  Get rid of all that junk about
interperation and teach people to convey ideas and thoughts using a common
communication structure (language).  Presently, most people are so polluted
by the time that they come out of high school that they are unable to convey
any idea to another person but are very able to read 10 different concepts
into what anyone says.  Perfect examples of this are found in the mail of 
any author.  Quite a few readers attempt psycho-analysis of the writer given
some works of his.  Quite often the writer was just trying to say exactly
what the words said.  There was no hidden meanings, nothing beneath the
venier of the words.  Quite a few writers and a lot of people who associate
with engineers and other scientificly based people often find that people
misinterperate their words in very strange ways.  Of course in my case
(engineer) I find that I have been influenced by the system have to acknowledge
that I have never been taught how to convey ideas clearly.  However, I have
been taught how to obscure any meaning what-so-ever beneath a layer of
metaphors and alagory.  Note:  my lack of spelling ability can not be blamed
upon the school system but it probably  just a function of the specific 
language.
  There was an editorial along these lines in Analog: Science Fiction, Science
Fact in the past few months.
  - Eric
//  Have you groveled beneath your god today?  Have you sent him all of your
//   cash?  And did she demand that you go out and heal leppers? 

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From: dab@ism.isc.com (David A. Butterfield)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,misc.education
Subject: Re: Critical Thinking and Education
Date: 31 Jul 1992 00:08:33 GMT
Organization: x
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

>I've become involved in a project to develop a curriculum for high school
>students that will help them "think critically."
>...references, ideas, and suggestions will be greatly appreciated

One approach I've seen is to have the students analyse commercial
advertisments, both printed and broadcast.  Take a transcript of
some TV advertisements and analyze exactly what each statement means.
Most of the statements you'll find either have no meaning, or are
tautological, or are statements of opinion.  A few statements might
have substance; some of those can be verified or debunked.

I think this is a good approach to introducing this subject, because
  o  Can use it to illustrate basic concepts in critical thinking
  o  TV advertising is accessible to high school students
  o  There is no shortage of material
  o  The student can *apply* what he's learning every time he sees an ad,
     resulting in better motivation and better learning
  o  Understanding ad biz BS makes more competent consumers, improving society

Dave
-- 
	I output a string of symbols and I observe the response.
From: th@isr.harvard.edu (Todd Heatherton)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Instant Addiction
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:04:58 GMT
Distribution: sci.psychology
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <MCCLA_D.92Jul22063246@aelle.cs.odu.edu> mccla_d@aelle.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski) writes:
>
>I was trying to say that the subsequent discovery of the biochemical nature of
>addictions, particularly with alcohol, made treatment of alcoholics by
>aversion therapy rather improper. The married couple that was leading this
>research presisted in it, and was therefore forced to carry their work out
>of the US. Last I heard, they were at U. Toronto. No reasearch in this 
>direction has been seriously considered as viable for many years.
>

You are so wrong it is scary.  I thought I might just try to
ignore you but I would hate others to think that your comments
had any validity at all.  Your posting is an example of what
went wrong with this newsgroup.

For the information of others, issues related to etiology, progression,
and treatment of addictive behaviors is quite complex, involving
various genetic, behavioral, physiological, and situational components.
Please peruse some recent journals on this topic, or any one
of the numerous excellent books on this topic if you are interesting.
Whatever you do, ignore the rantings of the previous poster.

Todd Heatherton
Dept. Psychology]
Harvard Univ.
Cambridge, MA 02138
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mccla_d@aelle.cs.odu.edu (dennis mcclain-furmanski)
Subject: RE: Instant Addiction
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: sci.psychology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:24:10 GMT

jpk@Ingres.COM says:

> Then if we administer crack with a variable time delay...
> it would be less addictive.

More and less addictive is a term used in different ways. Crack can be said
to be addictive at exactly the same level, with addiction occurring merely
at different rates depending on intake rate.

A confounding factor is the wide range of individual repsonse. Some are prone
to addiciton to some or many substances. Some are quite resistant to one, or
to many.

[quoting]
>> so even if one trial addiction could occur, it would be hard for us to tell.

> How to tell
> (1) Chemical and/or physiological change of system from resting state.

Permanent chnages in relative levels of various NT products, such as 
isoquinalones, has worked well. The changes remain after addiction has been
in remission for years.

> (2) Withdrawal

Ice addiction has been seen occurring before withdrawal symptoms are
evident. Unless you consider drug seeking behavior in absence of any other
physiological or psychological disturbance a withdrawal symptom. Many do --
I don't contend that. It's just a point of disagreement between some.

> (3) Tolerance

Tolerance occurrs independently of addiction. While it virtually always
accompanies, it has little to do with the addiction.

LSD has a frightful tolerance after one administration, lasting a day or so.
It has never been shown to be addictive. Addictions reactivated after 
abstinance typically show tolerance reacquisition at extremely high rates, yet
the drug seeking behavior increases even faster. Still, the tolerance is at
base level when they first 'go back out'.
From: gdg023@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Vicky Wayman)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Duality
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:26:59 GMT
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK

Doing a project on Batman and duality 
and looking for some theory
Can anybody suggests any useful texts
or journals concerning duality and the personality ?
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Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: K.M.Mill@psychiatry.utas.edu.au (Kathryn Mill)
Subject: turners syndrome
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:21:32 GMT

Turner's syndrome.  I have recently commenced a PhD at the University of
Tasmania, Hobart, Australia, on the psycho-social aspects of Turner's syndrome.
I would be interested to hear from anybody who also has an interest in Turner's ssynd
syndrome, or who knows anything about it.

Newsgroups: sci.psychology
From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Black Gavan Chapter four -what if he dropped out of high school
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:40:59 GMT

In article <tgee.712183058@cunews>, tgee@alfred.carleton.ca (Travis Gee) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.134415.11357@texhrc.uucp> simmons@texhrc.uucp (Bob Simmons) writes:
>
>>In article <tgee.711947344@cunews> tgee@alfred.carleton.ca (Travis Gee) writes:
>----request for clarity deleted----
>>	Here's some psychology: what makes some people so gol danged
>>	concerned about form that they can't even see substance?
>
>....and why do people who wish to address a <language X>-speaking
>audience address that group in <language X> instead of <language Y>?
>After all, its only a matter of linguistic form. Why are all those
><language Y> - speakers so ignorant as to not understand statements in
><language X>?  (sarcasm).  
>
>If you saw some substance in the formless mass  to which I referred,
>please post a translation. It would be interesting to see if the
>original author agrees. Hmm..interjudge reliability in psychology...
>what a concept! (more sarcasm).

Once again, I apologize to my carelessness in posting in the wrong group.
Would there be some mecy on my note. Surely you have made mistakes before.
Call it a slip-of-a-posting if you may.  Trying to search for psychological
meaning in the note I wrote would require first a clear undertanding of
the psychlogy of apartheid in South, an issue I was not addressing as
I assumed my readers, who by the way are most in that country would undertand.
I will be delighted to post appropriate topic in future but for now
a Pedi expression suffices "a dije di sie marapo" in English  meaning
giving a defeated person a chance to save face is human"
thanks


>
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>Travis Gee ()  tgee@ccs.carleton.ca     ()
>           ()  tgee@acadvm1.uottawa.ca  ()        ()()()()
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From: jdevlin@pollux.usc.edu (Joseph T. Devlin)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology,sci.cognitive
Subject: Potential semantic primes...
Date: 23 Jul 1992 11:42:58 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


 In Ober and Shenaut (1988) the authors refer to the "University
of South Florida associative meaning norms" which the reference
states was compiled by McEvoy and Nelson but is unpublished.
Does anyone have an email address for any of the above mentioned
authors or, even better, the actual associative meaning norms
in elctronic form?  I really appreciate your help.

						- Joe

*************************************************************************
Joseph Devlin                      * email: jdevlin@pollux.usc.edu
University of Southern California  *
Department of Computer science     * "The axon doesn't think.
Los Angeles, CA 90089              *  It just ax."  George Bishop
************************************************************************* 

P.S. Please respond with email as I don't read either of these
     groups regularly.  Thanks!
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Questions on WELLNESS
From: sabarnett@ualr.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:19:15 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

Questions for INTERNET/BITNET Users:

1. Are there any discussions about the subject of WELLNESS out there?

2. Any and all information concerning this topic would be greatly appreciated.

3. Information relating to mental and physical aspects of wellness are needed.

Also, anyone currently using this approach, please E-MAIL me.

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From: m0054@tnc.UUCP (TERILEE EDWARDS)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Is TA real science?
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: m0054@tnc.UUCP (TERILEE EDWARDS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.

In article <1992Jul21.053915.19641@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>Stephen Landman writes:
>> TA is inadequate as a form of psychotherapy, as are
>> most simplistic approaches (such as rational-emotive or
>> strict behavioral models).
>
>How do you define "adequate as a form of psychotherapy"?
>What measures of adequacy does TA fall below?  How far?
>
>Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  

TA is as valid a form of therapy as any other.
It uses mythic and personal relationships as a way to look at what is
happening (nd why) is someone's life.
  Eric Berne was a psychiatrist, well tained.  It is certainly as vali
valid a theory as RET, Rogeran, or any other theories tht started in
the 1950s (or eariler) and gained popularity in the '60s and '70s.
  There is at least one excellent psych joural devoted to TA.
To the person who was looking for graduate courses in TA, ranaactional
Analysis was convered in the graduate Systems of Psychotherapy class,
my first year.
Another interesting note is thatA makes references to Joseph Cambee
Campbell and because of t, lad to my interests in reding Jung.
  Hope this sheds some info on the subject.
ciao, Terilee
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