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From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad)
Subject: Best places and prices for BERGHAUS buys in LONDON?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:18:30 GMT

A girl I know is in UK for the time being, and I want her to take a  
Berghaus rucksack and Gore-Tex jacket back home to me (I live in Norway).

Where is the best place in London to buy these things, and what are the  
prices of the following items (in GBP):

		Gore-Tex: 	Mistral
				Lightning
				Thunder
				Quatro
				Trango Extreme

		Rucksacks:	Dart 30

Please reply by email to

Eystein Dugstad
University of Bergen, Norway
eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no
From: jn163051@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Joel Nevison)
Subject: Re: Winter trip to Adirondacks
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 01:08:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


In article <1992Nov5.183410.115@cci632.cci.com> fwb@op632.UUCP (Fred Brunner) writes:
>I am planning a three or four day winter trip to the Adirondacks and 
>was wondering if anyone has any suggestions.  How tough is Algonquin in the


I've been hiking up there both summer and winter, it can be brutally cold
and windy, but there are plenty of lonely places to be found.   I remember
the trail from Adk. loj to Mt. Marcy one time was so well packed by crowds
that we didn't need skis or snowshoes, it was like a 1 1/2 foot deep
trench in the snow all the way up.  We didn't have any trouble finding
empty leanto's though.   I remember algonquin as being a much steeper trail,
I'm not sure I'd want to do it in winter.  Once you get away from the
main path up Marcy, you really won't see near as many people.  Up towards
avalanche/ colden lakes probably would reduce the crowds and not be quite 
as tough as Algonquin.  You certainly want to be well prepared, with
clothing and techniques that you know will keep you warm and dry.
Good luck, it's beautiful up there.
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From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:29:27 GMT
Subject: Avalanche beacon Wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry


WANTED:  Avalanche Beacon/Transciever Good Condition

Respond to this note or call me at (
303) 350-4343

Jon Wade
From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:31:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Avalanche beacon Wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry


Almost Forgot:  I would also like your input on the best brands and feature
s I need to look for.

Thanks
Jon

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel)
Subject: Re: Hang Gliding
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:35:59 GMT

jpalmier@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Jim Palmieri) writes:

>Anyone on the network hang glide?  I would be interested in
>taling with any hang glider pilot who packs the wilderness
>also. Jim Palmieri
>-- 

Yep, there are a few of us. There's a hanggliding list, and occasional
posts on rec.aviation.soaring.

Personally, I prefer to fly across some of the wilderness areas here
in Utah. Almost unavoidale, anyway, given the prevailing winds and
mountain ranges.

Regards,
       H. Biesel
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From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Subject: Re: How does cheese keep (was Lunches and Snac
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:45:26 GMT

My experience is that the harder the cheese (longer aging, less
moisture content), the longer it will keep.  At the extreme, a block of
parmesan could probably be handed down to your grandchildren, but it
isn't much fun to eat.   Ground parmesan is nice for seasoning things
and adding a few extra calories.  A local store used to sell dried and
powdered sharp cheddar.  We kept a big bag of it around the house for
several years, at room temperature, taking a little on each trip.

Our lunch cheese is usually one of the well-aged cheddars.  The
year-old XXsharp stuff, particularly the NY and Canadian varieties,
keep very well, and don't have much of the typical oil drool seen in
soft mild cheddars.

Anybody tried processing cheese through a home dehydrator?
---
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
voice: 716-422-3186
fax: 716-265-7133
From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: cleaning down bags
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:38:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd2.1992Nov10.214041.24700
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs


In article <1992Oct21.172429.149@gems.vcu.edu>, hleaves@gems.vcu.edu writes...
>In article <1992Oct19.211027.3546@lgc.com>, commike@lgc.com (Alan Commike) writes:
>> 
>> How does one clean a down bag?
.
.
.

>The other option: professional dry clean.

Never use drycleaning!
If you wish to use a professional, choose a professional that does
cleaning of down garments/equipment.
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From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Trip Report: Guns n Chainsaws
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.132465.9187@burp.com>, ddimwid@burp.com
 (Delburt Dimwiddy) writes:
|>   We'd just gotten the new truck and got a little crazy and decided
|>to go camping.  We invited our next door neighbors, Skeeter and Winnie,
|>to come with us since we had so much room.  We dumped some of the kids
|>off at my Moms and some off at Mildreds Moms and the older ones we got
|>to stay at friends houses.  I sure am proud of having so many kids but
|>they are a pain sometime.
     ...

Hey, I think I ran into you! I really liked the design on your lycra
shorts, I think it brings out the best in a beer belly.

And your wife and friends were sitting around that night singing 
Kumbaya, ...did Guns n Roses write that?  Let me know if you ever
want to get into sport climbing, I know where you can get a good 
deal on a drill and chalk bag ...

Maybe we can go out together sometime on the dirt bikes and build 
some cairns.

			- just another yuppie from hell
--
Greg Jahn Boise State Univ.|>>>>>>>Official Disclaimer <<<<<<<<<<<<
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu /|" Only the names here are fictitious.
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    /|  The story, unfortunately, is
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  /|  absolutely true. " - Joseph Brodesky
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Subject: Re: Is Gore-Tex overrated ?
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:53:35 GMT


Somehow this thread makes me think...

We used to have the "teflon president."  Are we now going to
have the "Gore-Tex vice president?"  [**fill in rest of
joke here, as per inclinations and political persuasion.]
From: lsonko@pearl.tufts.edu (FAUSONTOMUS ARCHIMAGO-DUESSA)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Rainbow Gathering
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:51:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




> 
>Who, or what, are the Rainbow?
> 
>Expiring minds want to know...
>Mark

more importantly, how do I receive that newsgroup when my server doesn't carry
it?   I receive it as a mailing list right?  but how?

please reply by mail as well as on the net, I'm sure there are a few others
that would like to know

thanks
lee
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From: bohack@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.e.harstead)
Subject: Re: Light & Warm Synthetic Bag: PARADOX?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:55:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.211958.4905@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai) writes:
>
>I am looking for a light and warm synthetic sleeping bag, and I think
>that this might be a paradox.  Everyone knows that down is light,
>compactable and warm, but sucks when wet.  

Simple: just don't get it wet!  Down's disadvantage is price, it is
superior in every other way (unless you are allergic to it).

If you really don't think you can keep your bag dry (like sleeping
in snow caves), then get a Goretex shell.  Also, forgo the day-glo
colors and get a black bag.  It should dramatically shorten drying
time if you need it.

>My requirements are -20 degrees, long, not necessarily Gore-Tex, but
>synthetic and lightweight!  For instance, the North Face Tangerine
>Dream is a nice bag, but it weighs 8-9 lbs!  I dont want anything that
>heavy or extreme. 
>
>Can anyone tell me what fill they like and why?  Does anyone have a
>good idea for me? 

See above.

>How about bivy bags?

There was recently a discussion on this.  I like the REI Cyclops bag.

Ed Harstead.
From: sheart@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Saltheart Foamfollowe)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Abbey bashing.  Was: Trip rpt: SE Utah 4wd vacation, part 3/4
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:38:58 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616

donath@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) writes:

> From article <1992Nov10.211505.3490@guinness.idbsu.edu>, by jahn@guinness.Idb
> > In article <1992Nov10.185820.25091@news.uiowa.edu>,
> >  donath@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) writes: 
> > |>Could someone please explain to me why Abbey is revered for Desert Solita
 
Well... the one reason I idolized him is that he expresses and attitude 
towards society that I admire, and would like very much to be able to 
practice myself.  It is basically that of "Who cares what anyone else 
thinks?  Why should I let the political crap and social degeneration keep 
me from being outdoors with nature?  Why should I let my life be ruled by 
the clock like everyone else?"
 
His views were also quite environmentalistic, and always spoke for the 
preservation of the wilderness (read up on his accounts of the damming of 
the Colorado and the filling up of Glen Canyon).
 
No... he wasn't perfect, but he sure expressed an awful lot of feelings 
that I also share.  I do admit thought that I do not feel them as 
intensely as Abbey did, otherwise I wouldn't own a computer company and 
be a player in the business world.  He was a bit extreme in how far he 
went, but his ideas have always appealed to me.
 
(I don't rule out the possibility of becoming a desert hermit someday 
either...)
 

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From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Subject: Re: Aspen - Crested Butte Trail
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.220914.1@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu>
dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing) writes:

>In article <1992Nov6.183929.1352@rtsg.mot.com>, sbonnema@rtsg.mot.com 
>(Stuart D. Bonnema) writes:

>> I have heard that there is a XC trail between Aspen and 
>> Crested Butte. Has anyone tried this trail? Some say that
>> it can be done in one day (~20 miles), others guide books
>> say it is a long trip that requires camping and expert
>> skills (including avalanche avoidance). Any info on this
>> or the Hut-to-Hut system would be appreciated.

>I know there is a 4wd trail in the summer time; however, it is not something 
>I would attempt on skis in the winter -- very steep in places and quite in 
>the middle of nowhere.

>Although I've never seen it in the winter, I would have to recommend going 
>with the 'requires camping and expert skills' book.

I recommend contacting Aspen's Chamber of Commerce for additional information.
The route in question runs from the end of Castle Creek Road over Pearl Pass
and down into Crested Butte.  It's a standard cross-country skiing trek.  I
believe there's a hut along the route that can be reserved/rented for a night.
It's privately owned and has a wood stove and a supply of firewood.  When I
climbed Castle Peak years ago, I remember walking past it.

I think the route's about 30 miles long.  Pearl Pass is just to the left of
Castle Peak.  Friends of mine in Aspen did the trail on mountain bikes last
year.  Several years ago, a cross country skier died in that area when she
and her dog got caught in an avalanche.

Don't go if you've got leg joint problems.  Last winter, my friends who biked
it earlier went back again on skis.  One of them had to be evacuated by
mountain rescue when he dislocated his knee.  Quite an ordeal.

Cary Czichon
czicnon@csc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Is Gore-Tex overrated ?
From: swayzed@brandonu.ca
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:00:44 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

I have a Gore-Tex jacket which is IMHO the best jacket I have ever owned. I
should point out, however, that I have not ever really tested its properties
to the extremes that Gore claims it can withstand. I just think it is 
important to remember that for Gore-Tex to work best it must be pampered. It
has to be kept clean. For it to remain breathable, especially under wet
conditions, water must bead up on the surface. If the garment is not clean, the
water will not bead up. If the water doesn't bead up, then the garment
'wets-out' and it cannot breathe. 

As a result you should wash your Gore-Tex frequently in warm water and tumble
dry on warm. For added benefit use a warm iron. In this way the water repellent
coating on the surface will be rejuvinated, preserving its ability to cause
water to bead.

I have never had my Gore-Tex leak and I use it mostly when cycling. As a result
it is perfect for keeping out the rain and wind, but I will admit that I can
still work up a sweat. I do prefer it, however, to a simple nylon windsuit as
I find that I get pretty hot and sweaty in a nylon shell, even when just 
walking around a shopping mall, whereas I do not get that feeling with my
Gore-Tex jacket.

David

-- 
 
David Swayze        | SWAYZED@BrandonU.CA    | Reading furnishes the mind only
Brandon University  | Canada (pokey) Post:   | with materials of knowledge; it
Brandon, Manitoba   | 56 Wilnor Bay          | is thinking which makes what we
Canada              | Brandon, MB, R7B 3H1   | read ours.           John Locke
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Winter trip to Adirondacks
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:32:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183410.115@cci632.cci.com> fwb@cci632.cci.com  
(Fred Brunner) writes:
> I don't think any place more than 1/2 mile down a trail in the
> Adirondacks could be called crowded in the winter.

I remember one fine winter's day going up Street and Nye (two
"trailless" peaks in the Adirondacks) and struggling through
a couple feet of unbroken mid-winter snow up a steep slope,
then reaching the top of a ridge on Street and there was someone
standing there admiring the view - one of a party of twenty!
They had just passed by heading for the summit.  At least
(after our wading through unbroken snow and spruce traps) 
they had packed the trail down nicely.  

We easily passed them on the way to Nye so got to enjoy
its summit (??? - a very small clearing in a dense woods)
in relative peace.

--
jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu 
"Overturn the dominant paradigm"
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Macpac Tents
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:13:33 GMT

I've seen some discussions on Pacpac tents.  Is there any store in
the US that sells Macpac products ? I know Macpac also produces
internal frame packs.

Kelvin
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: franz@meaddata.com (Franz Weckesser)
Subject: Re: BC in the movies (again)
Keywords: bear 
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:36:53 GMT

In article <rjg.721071949@pulaski>, rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
|> In <ym+qlbf@lynx.unm.edu> mulberry@triton.unm.edu () writes:
|> >Well, In my opinion the movie with the best  backcountry
|> >scenery is *The Bear*.  An excellent movie.  Brings back
|> >fond memories of backpacking and climbing in Canada and 
|> >astrong desire to return.
|> 
|> Todays trivia quiz is where was most of *The Bear* filmed. The
|> answer will suprise you.

I believe it was filmed in Northern Italy, in the Dolomites.


-- 
Franz Weckesser franz@meaddata.com x7232 53JL

  "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting
   than the question of whether a submarine can swim" - Edsgar W. Dijkstra
From: root@ute.Columbia.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Soliciting experiences w/ Grand Canyon Rafting outfitters
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:57:31 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <1992Nov2.215625.16652@netcom.com>
   kent@netcom.com (Kent Crispin) writes:
>1)  How much space did they allow for personal gear?  Could I carry
>a small guitar?  Would it be a waterlogged mass of splinters at the
>end of the trip?                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Probably depends on how well you play, and whether your fellow rafters
appreciate your taste in music.

:-)

Barry Shelton                                        Question Authority!
barry@ute.columbiasc.ncr.com                   Resist much, obey little.

Standard disclaimer.
From: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:07:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Fleece Jackets
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

I bought the entire North Face "system" including the Mountain Parka,
the down jacket and the 300 wt fleece jacket.  It is a great system.
The North Face Shell is very warm, but both my wife and I think
NF made the zippers too small (hard to engage with cold hands) and the
underarm vents could do without the Velcro (again, hard to manage when
the fingers feel like they belong to someone else)  the down jacket
is Very warm on its own, and is the right thing for winter, but the
pile is great for the other three seasons or when you need the
warmth when it is wet.  Workmanship is excellent.

--------------------------------------------------------------
Edward Beshore                     
Hewlett Packard Company            Voice:       (303) 350-4826
700 71st Avenue                    FAX:         (303) 350-4675
Greeley Colorado, 80634            email: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.skiing,misc.emerg-services,rec.hunting,rec.climbing,rec.scouting
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM (...the printer guy)
Subject: Wilderness First Aid
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:54:40 CST
Followup-To: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing,rec.skiing,rec.scouting
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Winter session

Earthbound Medical Rescue is the current Wilderness Medicine training
contractor for the Department of the Interior, Geological Survey.

Earthbound is holding their winter session Wilderness Medicine class
and workshop on Dec. 5 & 6 at Alum Rock Park in San Jose, CA from 8:30
to 5:00.  The cost is $100.00.

No prerequisite is required, however prior first-aid training is helpful.
Participants will be provided a list of pre-class study subjects.

A certificate of completion will be given upon completion of the class.
The curriculum is the same that is currently being taught to the field
personnel from the Geological Survey. The class will be a combination of 
lecture, demonstration and hands-on practicals and scenarios. This class 
is designed to provide participants with a focussed working knowledge and
skills in first-aid required to provide care for those injured or ill
hours or days away from communications with emergency medical services
or care by a physician.

Registration should be completed by Nov. 27th. Checks should be made 
payable to:
 
Earthbound Medical Rescue
390 N. 12th st.
San Jose, CA
95112

For further information call 408/275-9542. 





From: mehaf@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (John Mehaffey)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:49:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

>While I do appreciate Gina's restricting distribution of this rather
>one sided appeal to USA addresses, I wonder if we are going to  treated
>to finding it reposted to every unmoderated group on Usenet. There are
>groups for discussing homosexual/civil rights. I don't think that
>rec.backcountry's charter includes this type of political appeal. If
>this is not so, I suppose rec.backcountry is destined to become just
>one more gay/straight battle ground. I, for one, would hate to see that
>happen.

While I agree with Donald's sentiment, I believe that this line of the
basenote belongs in rec.backcountry.

>>3. Boycott Colorado-made products (the most common of which are
>>   probably meat and beer) and Colorado tourism (yes, this means skiing).

followups to politics.homosexual

mehaf
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