HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High)
Subject: Re: Anyone know where I can find back issues of _Mighty Tiny_ in
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
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Keywords: Might Tiny
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:15:47 GMT


How ironic!

I read this message as I was showing Ben how to operate on internet.

Yup, that's righ.  Ben Dunn will have a connection to internet shortly,
  as soon as we work all the bugs out.

As for Mighty Tiny, all five issues, plus the Mighty Tiny Mouse Marines
  Special, are all available from Antarctic Press as back issues.  The
  Mighty Tiny Mouse Marines GN Special is completely sold out.

If anyone wants any info on how to get issues of Mighty Tiny or any other
  Antarctic titles, email me at bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu

Cheers
  - net.spy!

Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Infractions (That spoof ad in Refractions)
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:22:32 GMT
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves

In article <1992Nov8.194623.8507@iscsvax.uni.edu>, peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>In article <16880@umd5.umd.edu>, niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL) writes:
>> his college strip, DangerKitty, available.  Some decent fun stuff.
>
>a) What's it about/like?
>b) How do I get it?
>c) How much would it cost?
  Okay, I'll have to include it in my Furry Northern Reviews 5, which will
be done sometimes next week, after I get back from Philcon.
 
 
--Serval
From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Anthropomorphic BBS
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 07 Nov 92  00:31:24

On <Nov 05 19:46>, Darren Hanson (1:103/271@fidonet.org) wrote to Nicolai
Shapero:

 DH>Hmmm.... Another possability would be to create a set of
 DH>unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups in the ALT hierarchy.

 DH>Alt.Confurence
 DH>Alt.Eagle
 DH>Alt.Other.Suns
 DH>Alt.Writers.Comments
 DH>.
 DH>.
 DH>.
 DH>etc

No thank you.  Usenet does not really understand Fidonet
echomail conferences (no, they are NOT unmoderated, but they're
not moderated in the same fashion as in Usenet).  And frankly, I do
not WANT my conferences to get onto Usenet -- where I would promptly
lose control over them.

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From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Infractions (That spoof ad in Refractions)
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves

Greywolf, that ad was done by Toivo Rovainen, a Seattle furry and
MU Press worker.  I got confirmation through R'ykandar, but I recognized
one of the eyes as unmistakeably his style.  He has a compilation of
his college strip, DangerKitty, available.  Some decent fun stuff.
 
Hope I've been of help.
 
--Serval
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Yay!  Refractions #1!
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:35:11 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Yay!  Just got Refractions #1 in the mail, and love the production quality!  =) 
Decent art, too (haven't found time to more than skim over the text).  Who did
the artwork on page 23, with the futuristic chaotic hockey scene, by the way?

Of course, best of all, looks like the editors of Refractions managed to spell
a certain doodler's pen name right.  =)  *Definitely* sets them ahead of the
pack, in my book...
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Anyone know where I can find back issues of _Mighty Tiny_ in
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:35:31 GMT

Todd P. Whitesel (toddpw@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>
>>I guess I can't get quite so excited over an artist who has made a carreer
>>out of ripping off Japanese cartoonists (primarily Rumiko Takahashi).
>
>Not to start a flame war, but "ripping off" is not what Ben Dunn was doing. NHS
>began as a parody, but quickly developed an ongoing storyline unique to itself.

One or two issues is a parody.  But an "ongoing storyline" that copies
characters and even specific panels from another artist is, in my
opinion, simply ripping off that artist.

--
		Reply to:  avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu

    "Why, my mental facilities are TWICE yours -- you pea brain!"
			  -Percival MacLeach


Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Where is YARF?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:16:42 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.
Keywords: YARF!

mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High) writes:

>Aha - the old Yarf controversy - is it alive, or is it dead?  The rumors
>  persist...

NO!  I am not trying to start up any such controversy.  I don't think
that Yarf is dead.  I just think they've forgotten about me.  Other
people have their Yarf's, so they can't be dead.  All I want is to have
what I paid for.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |     "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."
#endif             |                                   -- Mark Twain
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Carspecken and Schnepf
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:26:51 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

...was digging through a stack of fanzines of mine and ran across Ever-Changing
Palace #2, and a story called "Flight of the Freeborn", by Robert K. Carspecken
and Margaret D. Schnepf (copyright R&M Creative Endeavors, whatever that means)
... I thought the artwork was spiffy and was wondering if anybody can give me
the "scoop" on these writer/artists -- i.e. is there a mailing address?  Are
there other publications they contribute to?
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Anyone know where I can find back issues of _Mighty Tiny_ in
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:44:23 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov12.063531.10072@news2.cis.umn.edu>, avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
> Todd P. Whitesel (toddpw@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>>avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:
>>
>>>I guess I can't get quite so excited over an artist who has made a carreer
>>>out of ripping off Japanese cartoonists (primarily Rumiko Takahashi).
>>
>>Not to start a flame war, but "ripping off" is not what Ben Dunn was doing. NHS
>>began as a parody, but quickly developed an ongoing storyline unique to itself.
> 
> One or two issues is a parody.  But an "ongoing storyline" that copies
> characters and even specific panels from another artist is, in my
> opinion, simply ripping off that artist.

Well, I *still* like Ben Dunn's artwork (in particular Mighty Tiny), so *excuse
me* if I dare to get excited about it.  Nyahhhh!  =PbPbPbPbP!
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: <None> {Blood Types in Japanese Video Games}
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:27:53 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <83356@ut-emx.uucp>, cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.195218.8508@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>>In article <2AFC8C8E.9592@news.service.uci.edu>, amelman@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wan Dabada) writes:
>>>    Information and Stats: (Japanese names are last-name first)
>>>                 Leopard Onsa                           Ran Eagles 
>>>                 ------------                           ----------
>>> Horoscope   :   Gemini                                 Cancer
>>> Blood Type  :   B                                      A
>>Blood Type?  How'd you get the blood type?  And, why?  I recall seeing some
>>video game recently that had a distinct anime look to it, and recall seeing
> 
> The Japanese use blood types in much the way Americans use Zodiac signs, to

Ah, sodesu ka!  Watashi wa wakaremasu.  =)
> 
> Now, aren't you glad there's some crossover between the readership of 
> rec.arts.anime (where this came up a few weeks ago) and alt.fan.furry? :>

Most certainly.  =)  Thanks for the info -- Isn't Internet great?  Every once
in a while, I actually *learn* something...
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Anthropomorphic BBS
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 08 Nov 92  09:05:18

On <Nov 07 23:32>, Fuzzy Fox wrote:

 FF>Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>No thank you.  Usenet does not really understand Fidonet
>echomail conferences (no, they are NOT unmoderated, but they're
>not moderated in the same fashion as in Usenet).  And frankly, I do
>not WANT my conferences to get onto Usenet -- where I would promptly
>lose control over them.

 FF>Just what sort of control do you have, anyway?  Is it possible 
 FF>for you
 FF>to kill a message that I post on, say, The Polar Den?  You are 
 FF>capable
 FF>of doing this on UseNet.

Yes, I know you can do this sort of thing in Usenet.  In FurNet, I
can request that individuals who post off topic messages stop and,
failing that I can request that they be denied access.  This is
not possible in an unmoderated newsgroup on Usenet.  I do have
some control, after all.

 FF>Also, having participated in FurNet, I can safely say that I see 
 FF>no
 FF>difference between the type of messages generated on the 
 FF>so-called
 FF>"controlled" echoes of FurNet and the "uncontrolled" newsgroups 
 FF>on
 FF>UseNet.

On the other hand, I don't want to lose what little control exists
regarding off-topic messages and the like on the FurNet echoes that
I moderate; this would happen if they became unmoderated newsgroups.

Now shouldn't the FidoNet moderator's wishes be given some weight
in any decision to try and add his echo to Usenet?

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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Anyone know where I can find back issues of _Mighty Tiny_ in
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:28:43 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> Yup, that's righ.  Ben Dunn will have a connection to internet shortly,
>   as soon as we work all the bugs out.

Yayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!  (Ben Dunn's certainly one of my favorite furrydom artists
-- I mean, he can draw furries *and* mecha.  =)  Pretty much covers it all, as
far as I'm concerned!  =)  )

-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
From: Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: UKFurNet (Re: Anthropomorphic BBS)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:06:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, Oxford University, UK
In-reply-to: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org's message of 5 Nov 92 18:25:18 GMT

<n0da1t@ofa123.fidonet.org> 
Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org:

>> Is there any site to anyone else's knowledge that echoes
>> FurNet in the United Kingdom or Mainland Europe.  I really
>> can't afford to call the USA.  Failing this, if I set up a
>> BBS in the UK would it be possible for it to become a FurNet
>> site.

> There are no FurNet sites currently outside of North America.
> We're strictly limited to US and Canada at the moment.  Sorry
> about that, old chap.

Well, maybe we'll manage without y'all then, eh?

> If you were to set up a BBS in the UK that used FidoNet
> technology software, you could become a FurNet site.  But
> you'd likely have to call one of the BBSs listed to get your
> feed.  If you're really interested in this madness, the ZIP'd
> echomail traffic is around 80k bytes/day right now.

I remember your objections to a 2-way USENET feed from the last
time this subject was aired.  Here's an alternative proposal.
It's just idle speculation, I don't use phone-up BBs myself.

You could post digests of FurNet one-way to USENET, thereby
cheaply transporting the data into whatever local "FurNet"s
wanted it.  Each "local FurNet" would have lower traffic than
the USA version and could batch it up to be sent back via the
usual FurNet methods.  The locla FurNet would still have phone
bills, but much lower than trying to suck all of FurNet over the
Atlantic.  If non-North-American BB users really wanted FurNet
then this would presumably be better than nothing.

This doesn't mean opening FurNet to every random flame from
USENET: the alt.fan.furry.digests group(s) would not be echoed
back into FurNet.  They could be made read-only by making the
group moderated, with a fake moderator that rejected every
article posted.  The digests would be prefixed by boilerplate to
the effect that the orignal posters can be contacted via FurNet
or not at all, and would have follow-ups directed to
alt.fan.furry.

There are two obvious problems with this scheme.  First, it
requires someone in North America formatting the digests and
forwarding them to USENET, for no obvious return except the
satisfaction of serving whatever "international furry community"
there might be.  Second, not all FurNet subscribers will be
happy to have their articles published on a network (USENET)
that they cannot read themselves, and where people outside the
FurNet "club" can discuss them behind their backs, so to speak.

Again, I'm not seriously suggesting you would want to do this.
But this sort of "split feed" might be an interesting way to use
USENET as a conveyor of data.  (An FTP site might be another
approach.)


Damian
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where is YARF?
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:32:08 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov9.043811.25479@netcom.com>, fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> it by now.  If so, I'll have to go bug somebody at YARF HQ.  Again.

I'd be *very* disappointed if Yarf went under, primarily since they're, IMHO,
*the* general-theme furry fanzine around right now.  Yeah, Bestiary might have
the edge on being predictable in terms of schedule, but Bestiary's mostly a
pin-up digest.  I was rather enthusiastic about Zoomorphica, but still don't
know if that's really going to be a regular title.  In any case, I'd really
hate to see Yarf go under.  I've been wondering -- If it *is* in trouble,
*why*?  Do the organizers just not have enough time?  Not enough subscribers? 
Not enough capital?  I have no idea what's involved in running a fanzine, and
would certainly be interested.  I may *talk* about how neat it would be to
start a fanzine, but without knowing what I'd be getting myself into, that
would be a pretty silly think to embark on -- particularly since there seem to
already be enough fanzines out there.  How much money is tied up in the running
of a "serious" furry fanzine, such as Yarf?
-- 
-Jordan            ..      PEACOCK5293@iscsvax.uni.edu
                  .OO.     Jordan Peacock (Jordan Greywolf)
                  O/\O     (New Address):  1610 Parker
                   --                      Cedar Falls, IA  50613
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Anthropomorphic BBS
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:32:03 GMT

Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>No thank you.  Usenet does not really understand Fidonet
>echomail conferences (no, they are NOT unmoderated, but they're
>not moderated in the same fashion as in Usenet).  And frankly, I do
>not WANT my conferences to get onto Usenet -- where I would promptly
>lose control over them.

Just what sort of control do you have, anyway?  Is it possible for you
to kill a message that I post on, say, The Polar Den?  You are capable
of doing this on UseNet.

Also, having participated in FurNet, I can safely say that I see no
difference between the type of messages generated on the so-called
"controlled" echoes of FurNet and the "uncontrolled" newsgroups on
UseNet.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu
#define  FALSE  1   |   "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."
#endif              |                               -- Mark Twain
From: porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Anthropomorphic BBS
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:09:37 GMT
Organization: Raccoon-Silkies have more fun !

In article <1992Nov7.093216.4715@rei.com>, fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org writes:
> 
>>Hmmm.... Another possability would be to create a set of
>>unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups in the ALT hierarchy.

 True.. bundle incoming messages into a file to be periodically sent off to a
local uucp/nntp server, and the same in reverse. Or even set up as a mailing
list(s), though the former's probably more satisfactory, being more visible to
newcomers. Having the groups over the net would, as DH points out, obviate any
problems of distance (witness Furry !).
> 
>>Alt.Confurence
>>Alt.Eagle
>>Alt.Other.Suns
> 
> I'd suggest alt.furnet.* as the group names, but the point is rather
> moot, because the moderator of the FurNet hub has already made it clear
> that this will never happen.
> 
 *sigh*  Indeed. Still, we can dream.. yes, alt.furnet.* would be the
consistent naming, as could be discussed on alt.config prior to sending out a
clutch of newgroups.

-- Porsupah

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Carspecken and Schnepf
Originator: alberti@staff.tc.umn.edu
Organization: Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:37:01 GMT

In <1992Nov5.202651.8456@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:

>...was digging through a stack of fanzines of mine and ran across Ever-Changing
>Palace #2, and a story called "Flight of the Freeborn", by Robert K. Carspecken
>and Margaret D. Schnepf (copyright R&M Creative Endeavors, whatever that means)
>... I thought the artwork was spiffy and was wondering if anybody can give me
>the "scoop" on these writer/artists -- i.e. is there a mailing address?  Are
>there other publications they contribute to?

Robert and Margaret Carspecken (nee Schnepf) are regular contibutors to
INK SPOTS: COMICS FOR CARTOONISTS (a cartoonists' APA edited by yours
truly).  Both are talented cartoonists, and Robert is also a fine writer
while Margaret has been known to produce some lovely paintings.  Most of
their work is free-lance stuff, though you can occasionally see their
art at conventions and in other publications (like THE EVER-CHANGING
PALACE).

If you have any other questions, feel free to e-mail me (to the address,
BELOW).

-- 
		Reply to:  avatar@pnet51.orb.mn.org
 "Bowl a strike, not a spare; Revolution everywhere!"  -RABL credo
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:42:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov8.195218.8508@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
>In article <2AFC8C8E.9592@news.service.uci.edu>, amelman@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wan Dabada) writes:
>>    Information and Stats: (Japanese names are last-name first)
>>                 Leopard Onsa                           Ran Eagles 
>>                 ------------                           ----------
>> Horoscope   :   Gemini                                 Cancer
>> Blood Type  :   B                                      A
>Blood Type?  How'd you get the blood type?  And, why?  I recall seeing some
>video game recently that had a distinct anime look to it, and recall seeing
>stats given for the four characters you can choose from (a warrior,
>spellcaster, thief, and bard), and recall seeing blood type listed as one of
>the 'stats'.  Eh?  I suppose maybe if you're doing a roleplaying game or maybe
>if the video game required blood transfusions for your characters or something,
>it might mean something, but it otherwise strikes me as a bit weird.  =,

The Japanese use blood types in much the way Americans use Zodiac signs, to
define certain personality types. I'm not sure what the individual types mean,
but you get the general idea. This is why you see so many blood type stats on
Japanese video games. (SF2 on the SNES, anyone? :> )

Now, aren't you glad there's some crossover between the readership of 
rec.arts.anime (where this came up a few weeks ago) and alt.fan.furry? :>

  |Christian Wagner -aka- Samuel

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: esalbert@scubed.com (Eric Salberta)
Subject: Re: Where is YARF?
Summary: Me too!
Keywords: YARF!
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.043811.25479@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>I recall hearing a couple of folks mention YARF #21 a time or two, so I
>assumed that it would be finding its way to my mailbox soon, since I am
>a regular subscriber.  However, it stil hasn't, and I'm wondering if it
>has been enough time since the release of #21 that I should have gotten
>it by now.  If so, I'll have to go bug somebody at YARF HQ.  Again.
>
>-- 
>#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
>#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu

I would like to second this -- I haven't received my subscription either.
If anyone _has_ received their subscription, could you let me know (either
E-Mail or post, whichever is easier)?  My address is below.

Eric R. Salberta				esalbert@scubed.com