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From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Diane Seward)
Subject: Re: Water in dreams (sorry to tell you...)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:37:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.031630.26280@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton) writes:
>I hate to be the one who breaks this important psychology to you all, but
>water* is the MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL FOR *SEXUALITY* you can have in
>dreams!!!!
>
>If you come to a body of water and:
>
>1)  Try to go around it, you are prudent or worried about the water
>2)  Dive right in, well.... =)
>3)  Swim, but do so grudgenly... I think you can see.
>
>So all these dreams about water might be interpreted this way... does it fit?

Well,... I guess it depends on whether the psychology happens to be
from the works of Freud (his work has always been sexually-oriented
and now his own psychological profile has been questioned by many of
the experts!) To him -- everything was based on sexual fantasy,
incest, or sexual problems ... I agree with the works of Carl Jung
who found this to be rather a limited view of life, and the soul/
spirit potential.
Yes, there is more to life! (I know, it's tough to believe!)
Jung considered water as "the commonest symbol for the unconscious"
(CW9-1, par. 40) ... and "signifies a collecting place where all
physic life originates, ... something like the stream of life or the
energy potential. (CW16, par.15)
M.A. Matoon states " The water motif reflects the dreamer's 'inner
journey' which is proceeding in various ways at different times."
Simply stated, in most dreamwork, and dream interpretations --
water is like the life force that wants us to see where we are,
where we are headed, or what we need to change ... depending on the
message of the water (and other elements or "things"... and mostly,
the FEELINGS/EMOTIONS felt in the dream)

I firmly believe no one can truly interpret another's dreams --
there's only ideas & theories. Some symbols though are fairly
universal it seems. You know, Fire/Water/Earth and Air ...
The best method for interpreting dreams is to "Take the role of
the element or character of the dream and ask questions of it"
Until you FEEL you've hit upon something you can associate with
on this side of life. THIS, is the real key.

 The rest of us just toss around our own experiences and see if it
strikes a chord for the dreamer, or reach out ourselves to see
what experiences others have had with a certain symbol.

Just another viewpoint on a symbol ... I have found that if sex is
an issue to deal with -- that in dreams, THEY DO NOT BEAT AROUND
THE BUSH -- Dreams have no problems in showing you the REAL THING!
(they're not shy about it .... if you know what I mean)

Dream On ...

DKS@RLG                 "If you will practice being fictional for a
                         while, you will understand that fictional
                         characters are sometimes more real than
                         people with bodies and heartbeats"
                                   -Richard Bach

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Subject: lucid dreams
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:31:51 GMT

I've been in nightmares, like the ones where people (unknown) are chasing me
and trying to do me harm, and decided to back the action up and do something
different.  Is that a common thing to do in a lucid dream?


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Remembering Dreams
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:43:29 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com

> Jeff,
> 
> I tryed Ginseng tea only to find it messed me up hormone wise.  It seems that
> Ginseng has a male hormone in it.  When a female drinks or takes it, it will
> mess up their hormones.
> 
> So I really don't recommend this tea or vitamin to a woman.
> 
> Your right about staying in bed for even 2 to 3 minutes.  Just lay there and think
> about what you just dreamed about.  Or you can tell your subconcious RECALL.  At
> first it might not work, but after a while, you will RECALL without any problems.
> 
> Namaste back at you.  Where did you learn the word Namaste?
> 
> I learned it in Fairbanks, Alaska.
> 
> Kathie  ;.)


> In article 1883@hsdndev.UUCP, pejkh@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Jeff Hansen 432-2691) writes:
> > Do you wake up with a start?  That is, does the alarm scream and you jump
> > out of bed?  That's enough to erase the dream memory banks.  Stay in bed
> > for a while and really stay with your dream images.
> > 
> > As far as vitamins, I don't know.  But I have noticed that when I have a
> > cup of Ginseng tea before bed time that my dreams tend to be more vibrant
> > and active.  I usually have a commercial type of Ginseng : Ginseng Plus
> > from Celestial Seasonings.  it also contains chamomile and spearmint which
> > are very soothing for bed time also.  
> > 
> > Try it, you'll like it.
> >  
> > 
> > Namaste
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >   |  Jeff Hansen  * jhansen@world.std.com   *   73540,275 (CIS)            |  
> >   |    _\|/_      * jeff.hansen@f121.n101.z1.fidonet.org                   |   
> >   |     /|\       * Did anyone ever have a boring dream?  -Ralph Hodgson * | 
> >   |  - p a z -    * The Dream Net *  617-868-1027 N-8-1 12/2400bps 24/hrs  |
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: water, external factors...
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:39:06 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

I'm always slightly skeptical of dogmatic symbol dictionaries. I think 
it's up to the individual as to what the symbols mean; a dictionary can't 
very well provide for every individual and his/her personal experiences, 
quirks, and problems.
  I have often had water dreams in which I was swimming, or drowning, or 
in some way going underwater and not being able to get back to the 
surface. In these, I would wake up quickly unless I gave in and breathed, 
because I would be actually /physically/ holding my breath, and that 
would wake me up, gasping for air.

                          --The Vortex dreams on...
                            (Niki LeBoeuf)
From: std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Remembering Dreams
Reply-To: std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:56:11 GMT

    This is a question, to anyone who can answer it.  I rarely remember my
dreams, unless they have a stressful content, or I am awakened during one.  I
remember reding some years ago that increasing your intake of a particular
vitamin(?) would help you recall your dreams.  Does anyone else know about
this?  I would appreciate your help. 

                                         -John Fleming
                                          The University of Lethbridge
                                          (STD_FLEMING@HG.ULETH.CA)

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Keywords: none
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:36:22 GMT

>I often awake and find my alarm clocks (I've got three) turned off
>without remembering having disabled them, this usually causes me to
>be late for my classes. Yes, I am _sure_ that I set them on the night
>before and I must sit up and reach for the clocks.
>
>This leads me to this question :
>Does the sub-conscious have a will of it's own ?
>

What is interesting with the mind is that it does have an autopilot which
carries on things that it deems low on the priority list (i.e. waking up
vs. getting much needed sleep)  what is happening is that you are forgetting
turning them off.

I suggest putting the clocks:

1)  Far away from your bed (but near enough to hear!) so that you have
    to GET up to turn them off... and
2)  Put the clocks in interesting places (i.e. inside a box with a combo
    lock)   


That last one sounds dumb - but you will never sleep late again.

muffman

-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: sandman and flight.
Summary: fly!
Keywords: jump!
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:43:37 GMT

Next time you realize you are dreaming, go to a high place and jump
off.  That will get you soaring, although it can be scary in the dream
if you start wondering: "Am I absolutely SURE I'm dreaming?" 

I read Sandman for a while but then my comic book budget got shot to
hell.

Sniff.
 
                                                  Nik
From: lestat@cats.ucsc.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming - What Is It?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 03:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


i am fascinated with the fact that there are several people that 
are unable to do what i can. i guess that i have grown to accept
it more than i realized. and that i really should appreciate it
instead of taking it for granted... and hey, if a 6 year olad kid
can do it, then with a little practice anyone can.  

Sweet Dreams

-Tom Fox
.


Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:14:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.144110.9040@coli.uni-sb.de> simon@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Julia Simon) writes:
>You can train to recall your dreams by keeping a "dream diary": every time you
>wake up and remember a dream (or a tiny little bit of a dream), you write it
>down AT ONCE (very important: people say that if you don't recall your dream
>during the first five or so minutes after waking up, it's lost forever).
>After a while you will see you remember more and more of your dreams.

I wouldn't say the dreams are lost forever. A while back I experimented
with keeping a dream journal, as I gained experience I also began to
remember dreams that I had 10-15 years ago. Dreams I thought was lost
forever. Is this a common thing perhaps ?

>				Julia Simon

Jorn Halonen
*JORN* (email : jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no)
From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: A dream technique
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:25:42 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: University of Notre Dame

I've been using this technique since I was a young child.
I invented it myself. 
It is used to avoid reoccurring nightmares.
What I do is this:
Right before I fall asleep, I think consciously about the nightmare I've
been having. If it's been a killer dog chasing me, I think about a killer
dog chasing me, and I don't dream about any killer dogs.
This technique has never failed.

Maybe it has to do with summoning an image to the conscious and therefore 
removing it from the unconscious level? Who knows. . . 
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From: 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture)
Subject: Re: deja vu?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 0 hours, 23 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.035458.10746@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, mayor@ic15.umeeng writes...

>I heard once that some epileptics get a feeling of deja' vu just before they
>have a seizure.  Is this true?  Any epileptics care to enlighten us upon this?

They feel that what's about to happen to them is something that has
happened to them before?  Not terribly surprising.   :-)

  |  Silicon Vulture         |  "I don't mind being in touch with reality.  |
  |  0695cs14@dt3.dt.uh.edu  |   I just don't want to live there."          |

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From: jhansen@world.std.com (Jeff Hansen)
Subject: Re: Reccurring Locale
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:20:52 GMT

Are you feeling stuck, trapped or bored in a present job, relationship or
personal growth?  OR, pehaps in the dreams there is something common that
occurs that you are supposed to look at more closely.  Think about it.
Are you avoiding anything in your life that needs to be dealt with?
 
Good luck.



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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming - What Is It?
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:26:11 GMT
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In <1aqvqpINNljd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> lestat@cats.ucsc.edu writes:

>  What is lucid dreaming?

Exactly what you describe :-)

>  But anyways, I have been able to control my dreams completely since 
>  I was about 6 years old, and can still do it. I refined the ability
>  to the point where in the bottom of the 'screen' for lack of a better term
>  or the visual that i see, at the bottom is a control box. In it are
>  digital displays, including elapsed time and such. I can at will stop
>  a dream and replay it, edit it if i am unhappy, or even erase it and
>  start over. I can on the fly switch the entire dream to something else
>  and this is easy.... would this be considered lucid dreaming?

Yes. And the degree to which you gain control is astonishing :-)


MfG,
        Olaf
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: When I was on vacation....
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:27:48 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

I was drinking a fair bit of whiskey (not mis-spelt: it was Irish whiskey) 
and had a couple of less-ordinary-than-usual-for-me dreams.

In one, I and a woman I've known and admired for 20 years went through a 
I'm_not_making_a_pass_at_you_but_would_you_be_interested_if_I_did scenario.
She wasn't, because she felt I wouldn't be prepared to make a lifetime 
commitment to her and her 2 kids!
Made an interesting change from the usual sort of erotic dream!

In the other, loads of folk who used to work where I do were all having some 
kind of get-together: in a bus-station cafeteria.  Unusual location is all.

OK, you can all get back to your usual paranormal dream stuff now.



              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:37:07 GMT

In article <24SEP199217355650@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture) writes:
>From: 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture)
>Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
>Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 22:35:00 GMT
>In article <1992Sep24.193201.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
>writes...
>
>>Any comments ? On semi-concious dreaming ? I could almost swear I was awake
>>the second time, until I woke up . ... Any way to force this type of dream,
>>rather  than wait for chance/sub-concious ?

I'm also a semi-conscious dreamer. And I've also had experiences similar to 
the one recounted in "semi-conscious dreaming ..."!!! For example, My alarm 
clock will go off, then I will dream that I got up and switched it off and 
started getting dressed... Then I *really* wake up - to the sound of my 
alarm clock still buzzing happily in my ear!

I also find that semi-conscious dreams take place if I lie down on my bed 
feeling tired but knowing that I can't sleep ('cos I don't have the time :-) 
In these circumstances I include things that are going on around me in my 
dreams. I *know* that I am just dreaming... But I have no control and the 
dream keeps going.

Greg
======================================================================
Gregory Hutchison           ||  "You are never given a wish without
Rhodes University           ||   also being given the power to make
Grahamstown                 ||   it true.
South Africa                ||     You may have to work for it,
<g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za> ||     however." - Richard Bach
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From: 6500rana@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Allan Hollander)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Recurring Locale
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:54:32 GMT


Greetings all!  I've lately taken up the practice of writing
down my dreams, so I'd thought I'd try my hand at analysing
this one of the pretty woman in the mall - I can use the
practice.  I hope this is helpful -- it seems like
dream interpretation is ideally a shared effort since alone
one gets caught within a limited perspective.  At some point
I would like to discuss dream hermeneutics, but for now
I'll just take as the first theorem of dream analysis
that any dream has an infinite number of meanings.  So this
will be one, hopefully not too far out.

Anyway, I will read this dream as a parable about platonic
beauty. To start with, it seems like there's a correspondence
between the three female figures in the dream.  The narrator
suggests that Shirley might be the same figure as the
pretty woman, and a correspondence between the pretty woman
and the mother is suggested by the replacement of the
mother by the pretty woman as a subject for the camera.
So the three figures may be different aspects of the same
thing or idea.  To focus on the pretty woman and the
narrator's mother - the most striking thing in the dream
is the divine pulchritude of the woman.  She is obviously
very desirable, but her attitude towards the dream
narrator is ambivalent, if not chilly: she never smiles,
and the detail about holding her blouse together shows
she's uncomfortable.  (Is this modesty, or hostility?)  
The narrator's mother provides a contrast - ordinary
middle-aged attractiveness replacing unearthly beauty.
The bouquet, if that's what it is, is a mundane, familiar
touch.  But the mother grins uncannily, as if
she knows something.  Perhaps what she understands
is aging - the divine beauty of the young woman will pass.

Shirley seems tied to the mercantile side of life.  She
is unaware of the camera - it isn't important
to her paperwork.  (And cameras try to capture
beauty as an image but, unless one's a real artist, always
get its ghost instead)   The dream is set in a
store in a mall.  The details seem very clean in
a plastic or almost clinical sense - lots of
whites, blank walls, hospital-like cots.  Not a place
I'd enjoy spending time: malls aren't.  Beauty gets
abstracted out in the (mercantile) functionality 
of the design.  So perhaps what the dream is about
is the narrator's relationship to beauty - what
he sees is impermanent, or false, or just
an image of it - and what he's after is divine
essences of beauty.  The gregorian chants are
an interesting touch - that music is aimed at
the heavens, after all.

Allan Hollander
adh@geog.ucsb.edu
From: jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: water
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:39:51 GMT
Organization: Nothing, Inc.

In article <esposito.31.717871994@hamlet.uncg.edu> esposito@hamlet.uncg.edu (Andrew Joseph Esposito) writes:
>
>I incorporate a great deal of my suroundings into my dreams.  I will wake up 
>to a radio alarm clock (a half hour after it has been going off) and I'll 
>remember all the news and such, but I won't remember hearing it.  If my arm 
>is alseep (laying on it wrong and cutting off the circulation), I have a 
>problem in my dream with my arm.  Really physical.

This has happened to me too. I often sleep on my stomach with my
arms under my pillow, and they fall asleep. While I'm dreaming,
I usually feel paralyzed or like my arms are missing, although I
don't realize at the time that anything is wrong.

-Jeff-
From: matt@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: <None>
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:44:46 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

One recurring dream I used to have was of wandering through a railroad yard
full of wrecked locomotives and railway cars, many of them quite old and
rusted.  Often a train would come barrelling into the yard while I was there, 
smashing into the cars with much destruction and noise, as you might expect.
The train would of course buckle, and cars would come hurtling towards me
sideways.  I would run away from them as fast as I could.  I always either 
seemed to get away or, if I got hit, I wouldn't be hurt.
  I always found these dreams to be quite impressive, to say the least.  I
used to enjoy them, with much of the delight a 10-year-old boy might find
in such a situation.  Somehow, though, I don't think I've had them since I
got married.  Strange...

Matt
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From: 0695cs14@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Silicon Vulture)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:33:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.141702.29556@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
(Danny Graham) writes...

>>Forgetting the
>>event is common especially when you're awake only a few seconds. To
>>avoid this you  could place an alarm where you're not able to reach it
>>from your bed, i.e. in the other corner of the room.

>This is certainly true. There have been several times at home when my sister
>has walked into my bedroom when I've been asleep. I've woken up, had a 
>conversation with her and then gone back to sleep - and am completely
>unable to remember any of it in the morning.

I had this experience quite a bit when I was younger.  Before I was in
kindergarden my parents got me up in the middle of the night to go to
the bathroom.  I hardly ever remembered this.  Apparently, I would get
up, walk to the bathroom, take a leak, wash my hands, walk back to my
bedroom, and climb back into bed again with very little prompting.  The
weirdest part was the few times I woke up somewhere in the middle of all
this.  Waking up to find yourself walking down the hall is a trifle
disconcerting when you're 4 or so.

You don't need to be concious to accomplish fairly simple tasks.  It
is quite possible that your subconcious mind hears the alarm and says,
"I know how to turn that off."  It's a fairly routine task and
presumably the first thing you do when you wake up.

I agree with the first recomendation.  Put the alarm clock across
the room.  It works for me.

- Silicon Vulture (no time for a .sig)
From: ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Keywords: dtr
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:56:24 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <gj156879.718211806@cunews> 
gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>Has anyone else gone lucid and then deliberately flown around?

Once I dreamed I was walking along Mass. Ave. in Cambridge, Mass., but
it was a park with hills instead of a street. I thought something was
odd, so I asked someone sitting at a cafe whether this was a dream or
whether it was real. He shrugged. I turned away and floated into the
air. I turned back and hovered over her (she had changed sex) and
said, "now *this* has got to be a dream!". She looked amused and sort
of shrugged again, as if to say, yes, I suppose so! I used the trick
of looking at my hands to try to prolong the lucidity, and it seemed
to help. I drifted around in the air for awhile before the dream ended.

Keith Ramsay
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