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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles' wings clipped, mouths run free
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:27:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

[stuff deleted]
>series, if necessary.  There appeared to be some unity this
>year, but it looks like Herschel Walker has brought the Vikings
>"We are a dysfunctional family" locker room to Philadelphia.
>I am not blaming him, but last year there was no outward
>moaning about the team.  Do you think that it is because
>they are not the overwhelmingly dominating team of 1991 who
>was responsible for the success.  This year both sides of the
>team have to do their job to win.
>                     Rich
>

Last year, it was rally round the quarterback, whoever he was.  The defense
knew it had to keep the opposition's score low to give the offense a chance to
get into the game.  Maybe with the return of Cunningham, they've slacked a bi
in intensity.
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:38:25 -0500 
From: Kenon Warren Tutein <kt25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
	<JOHNDOE92Nov16.134244@crispus.inmet>

A-yo. You can mentioned the 33 times Elway didn't win, but what about
the 23 or so times he did win. And if you compare that to the other QB's
in the league, he is ahead by far. John Elway is the best quarterback to
have when the game is on the line. He does it in the regular season, and
in the playoffs, and this year he may do it in the Super Bowl.
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From: tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
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Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:46:00 GMT

In article <97782@netnews.upenn.edu>, nlatif@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes...
>YES!!!!  What a game??  Cant believe that I stayed until the game's over just
>watch the Cowgirls LOSE!!! Just made my day brighter after the eagles game.
           ^^^^^^^^
>Did the Giants lose too??  If they did, that means that all NFC east teams 
>lost this week. 

Yes, they lost.  That means nothing has changed in the NFC East, and
the Cowboys are still *two* games ahead of the Eagirls and'Skins.
(I can find a way to call your team *girls* too. ^^^^^ so nyaaaaaaah!  :-)


>GO EAGLES!!!
___________________________________________________________________________
Tracy Persky           Texas A&M University           tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu

John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."  (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - Nov. 16, 1992
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:01:07 GMT

thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:

>In article <27513@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>
>>
>>                   Washington Redskins News
>>                      November 16, 1992
>>
>>               [... stuff deleted ...]
>>
>> Joe Jacoby and Earnest Byner were injured in the first quarter - on
>> the same play.  Ray Brown, a guard, wounded up playing tackle, against
>                                      ~~~~~~~
>>
>>               [... stuff deleted ...]

>That is one accurate typo!

>Thank God we won it all last year.  Luck has so much to do with getting

Yes, and to that end I MADE SURE that I really enjoyed every moment last
year!  I knew this year would be tough.  (Not THIS tough...)

>the title, and this year we are having none.  Next year will be a
>revenge year, and this year is not out-of-the-question, if we can just
>get the majority of our folks healthy for the playoffs (assuming we
>make it, which may be too optimistic).  But I must say that to win
>the superbowl these days you have to win your division and get a BYE
>week during the wildcard games.  That extra week of healing will make
>all the difference come playoff time this year.  And only two of the
>three division winners get the BYE, so there is some real competition
>in that area as well.

>Regardless, the Skins will not win the division and get a BYE this
>year, and thus will not win the superbowl.  Just so long as we kick
>Dallas' butt in RFK all will be well.   :-)

Yes, but with whom will we beat them?  Are you sure that we can't just
suit up coach Grimm?  Maybe the janitor played a little linebacker in
high school...

>And if we don't, I'll still be rooting for the Skins till the day I die.

Me too, in fact I'll root for 'em after that!  (Especially in Texas Stadium,
where I can look down through the nice hole in the roof.)

>-- 
>-- Thad Crews                             (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Congratulations to President-Elect Bill Clinton!!!  I did not vote for him,
>but I will support him as the leader of the greatest country in the world.
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From: jerryb@mail.boi.hp.com (Jerry Bidondo)
Subject: Aikman-He's no Elway
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:47:32 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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We've all seen it before--Elway pulls a rabbit (and usually a victory) out of
his helmet in the last minute or two.  You can see the fire in his eyes when
he completes a pass or scrambles out of bounds to stop the clock.  He wants
to win and he'll do anything for it. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Dallas fan and I thanked the football gods when
they drafted Aikman #1, but I have yet to see the fire and desire it takes to
win a game when it comes down to the wire.  I despise the Broncos but hey--
nobody does that comeback thing better than John-boy.  So Troy, get out your
VCR and take a gander at a few Elway final drives and learn something.  Until
you can pull out that close victory (remember Staubach too), this team still
has work to do.


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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Troy Aikman
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:03:59 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Nov22.190235.13544@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA) writes:
>In article <2957@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.201351.557@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>>The point you fail to miss, i.e., blinded by unfailing loyalty,
>>
>>I never thought
>>I'd see the day that Gloria would accuse someone *else* of being blinded by
>>unfailing loyalty.
>
>You have a memory like an elephant and
>about as much brains as a stepped on ant.

Gee, I didn't know I was up against such a formidible intellect.  I am cut
to the quick by your rapier-sharp insults.  BTW, elephants have *good*
memories.

>BTW, are you
>loyal to your team or are you one of this fly-by-night
>fans

Not that this question has anything to do with it, but I have been a Cowboys
fan since I first became aware that football existed.  I suffered through
all 1920 minutes of the 3-13 and 1-15 seasons, and am now reveling in their
much awaited resurgence.

The difference between you and me, John, is that I am perfectly capable of
criticizing my team -- ask my fiance, she gets the brunt of it, poor girl. :^)
However, I have never seen you to be able to give or take any criticism of
the 49ers without responding in a fashion that can only bring to mind the
words "knee jerk".  The only exception has been when they so obviously
deserved it even you had to admit it (re: Phoenix) -- and even then you
defended Young's performance.

>faster than a drag queen changes its costume.

Funny, I would have thought a San Francisco fan would have a little bit more
sensitivity than this.  Ah, well, at least I know your talents aren't just
limited to football.

Daniel Welch
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: MEGA-BILLS POSTING! MONDAY IS HERE!!
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:35:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.135900.4230@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
> Los Angeles Raiders-- Take your over-hyped trash and stuff it! Al Davis
>                       won't be watching the playoffs this year.. He'll 
>                       be crying! Art Shell, you are the only Raider I admire.

Over-hyped trash? How can a team that's 4 and 6 and scored only 20 points 
against an awful team be over-hyped? As for trash, well I am begining to accept
that my favorite team may finish the season with only 4 or 6 wins because I 
can remember the Raiders winning the SB. Maybe, someday you will be able 
to say that too.

A Raider fan
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:47:37 GMT

From article <1992Nov15.060705.17498@netcom.com>, by mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers):
>>Yes, quite.  The best of the NFC is clearly superior to what the NFC offers.
>>As evidence, consider the average margins of victory in the NFC championship
>>games.  The best team each year just happens to be from the NFC.  It happens
>>to be merely a coincidence.   
> 
> Some coincidence.  Eight in a row, most in a blowout.

Consider, for a moment the strings "NNNNNNNN" and "NANANNAA".
Choosing from a random collection of strings of length 8 over
the alphabet {N,A}, what is the probability of choosing each
of the above strings?  Exactly the same.  Yes, it is a mere 
coincidence.

> In some cases, that is true.  In many others, it is false.

Show me the many others over the past 8 years.  Let's look at the
NFC championship games (from memory so my facts may be off, here's your cue
Ed)

Clear blowouts: `84 49ers, `85 Bears, `86 Giants, `89 49ers, `91 Redskins
Close Games: `87 Redskins, `90 Giants
Not sure: `88 49ers

I count two, maybe 3 non-blowout NFC championship games going back to '84, 
and surprise, surprise, two close SuperBowl games (`88 and `90).  

> is going to assert that the two conferences are comparable, than less 
> is to be expected from the NFC also-rans than from the AFC champ.  

Why?  In most of the last 8 years, there has been one great team in the NFL, 
not 2.  The problem here is with your expectations.

Curtis Dyreson
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:51:34 GMT

In article <26484@optima.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>Then we are in perfect agreement that SuperBowl victories do not 
>demonstrate any supposed "NFC superiority" at the conference level.  
Well, I am not interested in "superiority at the conference level".

>The phrase "NFC superiority" is just a convenient abbreviation for 
>"it is a mere coincidence that the best team just happens to be from 
>the NFC."
That's exactly how this argument was started: the best of AFC vs the
best of NFC. Can't refute it? Then why don't we talk about "superiority
at the conference level"? 

Better concentrate on "best of NFC vs best of AFC". I don't give a shit
about "NFC vs AFC at a conference level". 

>> I mean, the NFC superiority is a musical chair: Bears, 49ers, Giants, 
>> Redskins. Why can't any AFC team join the fearsome foursome?
>Here Ed sneaks in the catch phrase "NFC superiority,"  a spurious tactic.
>I trust he is using it in its abbreviated sense.  
Yep, because we all can have our own definition of "NFC superiority", i.e.
the abbrevation.

>So why hasn't a superior team come from the AFC?  
>A superior team must come from some conference.  
So why isn't it the AFC?

>I claim that it is merely coincidental that they happen to have come from 
>the NFC in recent years.  
Coincidental or not, that's an admission that "the best of NFC > best
of AFC". Now you just want to use "coincidental" to justify it, right?

>To claim that it is other than coincidence requires 
>proving something like "the NFC (a purely on paper categorization) 
>naturally produces superior teams because X."  The burden of proof, 
>showing what X is, falls to those who wish to show such a correlation.  
Of course we can always argue what X are. Media have been talking about the
reasons for years. 

But that's not what this argument is about. 

>No such proof has been given, 
Because no proof is needed, since you were arguing the claim that "the 
best of NFC > the best of AFC", and trying to argue by the following logic:

1) best of NFC > rest of NFC
2) NFC as a conference is not superior than AFC as a conference
3) the claim is, nevertheless, true, but it's just a coincidence.

Finally you spell out (3). That's enough for me. And I am not interested in
knowing why no AFC team can join the fearsome foursome, or whether it's
a coincidence or not.

>It is undeniable that, by and large, the best team over the past 8 years
>happens to have been an NFC team, but this is the strongest statement
>one can make based purely on SuperBowl wins and losses.
See, all those "best of NFC is superior to the rest of NFC" talks are redundant.
Why dodge the point and put up some strawman argument? 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sikahema
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:37:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92328.003948DCR115@psuvm.psu.edu>, DCR115@psuvm.psu.edu (DCR) writes
:
>
>    I am a fairly new Eagles fan, and I have a question about Vai Sikahema.  I
>have been impressed with his play all year, and against the Giants he was amazi
>ng.  When and how did the Eagles get him?  Was he always this good?  Or has La
>rry Pasquali, the special teams coach, improved their play so much that he look
>s more impressive than he is?  I thought it was poor sportsmanship, but extreme
>ly funny,  when he beat up the Giants sign on the goalpost after returning a ki
>ck for a touchdown.  Maybe the Eagles have a shot after all. I'm not giving up.
>up
>
I'm not sure he was "beating up on the Giants" as much as he was ecstatic for
having finally broken one.  He knows that's why the Eagles got him - and I do
not remember how they got him.

Beating the goalpost is no worse than the silly dances that are done.  I
personally think the rule of over-exhuberance is downright stupid.  One, if
the cameras wouldn't pan to it, it would soon stop.  But two, hey, let them
celebrate and if the celebration delays the game, assess a delay of game
penalty.

I'm surprised it hasn't become a free speech issue.

I know some think it is showing up the other team, but hey, don't watch it.
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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: Road to SB goes thru Buffalo(again)
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:49:16 GMT


Looks like the 'billboard' had no effect other
than creating a lot of network chatter.


It was a good game and I fully expect to see a rematch
IN BUFFALO in January.  Then again.... Miami has lost
3 of the last 4 and has to hang in there the next 4-5 weeks
to remain in the hunt.

Let's hope Buffalo peaks at the right time this year.......
in Pasadena!!

Go Bills!



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From: hall@bryan.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031)
Subject: Re: Whiners 21, Saints 20
Organization: MDSSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:11:04 GMT

>Do you really think that the Bills offensive talent man for man is
>better then the Niners?  With the exception of Thurman Thomas, I
>wouldn't exchange any 49er offensive players with the Bills. Are we
>going to get into another argument on how Reed and Lofton are better
>WR's then Rice and Taylor?

>                                                    Tony
>                                                 GO 49ERS!!!

Would you really exchange Ricky Watters for Thurman Thomas? You should
take a look at the 49ers running game production between last year and
this year?
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: STATS ARE OVERRATED! (WAS Re: Christie saves Bills)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:32:00 GMT

>In article <1992Nov17.131645.8779@iscsvax.uni.edu> lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want to
>>know is how in hell did Buffalo win?
>>        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
>>only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
>>good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.  
>>        As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
>>TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
>>going!

Two points to make:

	(1) Stats like offensive yardage are WAY overrrated.  It's what 
	a team puts on the scoreboard after those yards that count!
	Miami made mistakes; Buffalo took advantage of those mistakes.

	(2) Marino's 300+ passing yards does not impress me (and neither
	do anyone else's 300-yard games).  It seems that around 1979-80
	Dan Fouts started having 300-yard games and within a couple years
	everybody and their brother was accomplishing it!  A few things
	changed in the NFL around that time:

	    (a) I'm not too sure when , but the hashmarks were moved in
	    (5 yards closer to the center of the field).  Before this, 
	    one side of the field was clogged up and cross-field passes 
	    were necessary.  Now there is much more downfield passing.

	    (b) In 1978, they restricted the DBs on bumping the receiver.
	    Now they can only bump in the first 5 yards.
	    Less bumping in coverage makes it easier for receivers to 
	    get open.

	    (c) Also beginning in 1978, offensive linemen were allowed to
	    extend their arms and use their hands in blocking.  More 
	    time to throw --> more passing yardage.


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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles win, Roger Ruzek sucks...
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:05:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 21477@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:


[stuff deleted]

>And it
>appears that you aren't really interested in the Eagles' success only
>your FFL stats.  Here's a couple suggestions for you.  Pick another
>placekicker and get a life!
>

This seems to be a pretty consistant slam on us fantasy football players.  I don't 
see the logic in it.  Fantasy football makes NFL football much more enjoyable.
After watching hockey for the last few seasons football seems very boring, if it
wan't for fantasy football I don't think that I'd watch the NFL much except when 
a Browns game are on.  Not that the Browns are all that exciting :) just my favorite
team.

If you're going to tell someone to get a life because they are interested in your 
teams members for purely statistical reasons maybe you should try to understand that
football is itself 'just a game' granted a very high stakes game and a very 
popular game but still just a game.


Nate McConnell                          |Undead:  MFL Coach of the Year 1991
nate.mcconnell@central.sun.com          |         NFF Central Champs '91
                                        |         NFF East Champs '89 and '90

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From: jim@thor.albany.edu (SCHLEMMER JAMES A)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.190835.18444@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>So what does this tell us?  That in general, the NFC playoffs are at
>least as even as the Big Dance.  From this I construe that there are
                                              ^^^^^^^^
>typically two or three teams as good as, and at least one team better than,
>the best that the AFC can offer.
 
[and later]

>I look at this a bit differently.  In most of the past 11 years, one NFC
>team stands above all other NFL teams.  [I think you agree with this.]
>In addition, the SB dominance of that teams, relative to the dominance
>in their conference playoffs, suggests that there is at least one other
                               ^^^^^^^^
>(and possibly more) NFC team as good as, or better than, the best of the
>AFC.
>
>That meets my definition of NFC dominance.  Perhaps not yours.

You would seem to be infering that:

A beats B by n points
A beats C by m points

n < m

thus, B is better than C

Furthermore, it stands that someone who would buy into this would certainly
go for:

A beats B
B beats C

thus, A is better than C

There's got to be 10 examples in this season alone that refutes this sort
of reasoning.

Comparing teams by how they did against a mutual foe is not very useful.
I'm not sure logic has any place in football ;-)

Jim

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