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From: haoc@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: UNDERDOG:  WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR MIND.
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:16:44 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr15.220315.24604@nic.umass.edu>, s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.013941.13394@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.005212.6475@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>

>>That is right. And so many Chinese praise Confucius I simply cannot understand
>>why. Did Confucius know anything about group theory? Did he know anything
>>about solving differential equations? Did he speak English? I doubt very
>>much if he even knew how to ride a bicycle, not mentioning driving a car.
>>
>>Chou1
>>
                                           
> You seem to be a mathematician. Then answer the following questions:

> ...
> I feel sad for your logic.:-(

   which is common for all mathematicians.

--Hao. 
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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: English Only Movement
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: /u/mday/.organization
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:48:01 GMT

   timlee@public.btr.com writes:

   It is also
   obvious that English is not a static language, and any attempt to
   define it or make some variant of it the "official" language will
   not stand the test of time (read the Declaration of Independence
   or the Constitution and compare with present day usage).  Thus
   the proposed laws promoted by these groups don't really do anything
   useful.

This is a straw man.  The question is whether government services
should be provided in languages other than English, not whether
government services should be provided in some fixed dialect of
English.  The availability of literature, services, ballots, etc. in
non-English languages is a relatively recent development.  It seems to
the US English people as though the government is going out of its way
to make it easy to live in the U.S. without learning English, which
would be dubious public policy.

   However, other items on their agendas might not be as null.
   US English has taken a doctrinaire stand on bilingual education,
   specifically opposing anything other than ESL.  

The issues here are not as clear as you describe.  Bilingual education
as actually implemented in many schools is a cruel fraud that does not
lead to meaningful English competence.  

My wife used to teach ESL to people who had high school diplomas from
Chelsea (a neighboring town of Boston) but couldn't speak, read, or
write English.  Bilingual education in this form is maintained by
"community leaders" whose power derives from constituents who can't
turn to anyone else because of poor English skills, and by bilingual
teachers whose only meaningful credential is the ability to speak a
non-English language.  

I know a number of Vietnamese parents who've tried to get their
children placed in regular classrooms even though the children don't
speak English, simply because the parents want the children to learn
to speak English and the bilingual programs have a reputation of
teaching English poorly, if at all.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe?
Summary: Why does one read fairy tales?
Keywords: fairy tales
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:43:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.211450.8780@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
writes:
>
>Hmm, good advice.  ... one of my
>pet projects while visiting the BA this summer
>[will be to] read ... a 1000-page
>anthology on the wonders of Chinese culture.  Slowly.  Very, verrrrry slowly.
>

Gee Jim.  Do you really like to read fairy tales?

8^)

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From: haoc@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: UNDERDOG:  WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR MIND.
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:07:13 MDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr15.013941.13394@medsys.rn.com>, bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.005212.6475@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>
>>At no point in Chinese history has China ever been as prosperous
>>and well off as the USA or Western Europe.  Even if you reach back
>>3000 years like the way many China-philes like to do, you will find
>>that China was far worse than modern Western society.  There was
>>no penicillin, no antibiotics, no Bill of Rights, no human decency
>>(but that's always been true, hasn't it?), etc. in China.
>>
> 
> That is right. And so many Chinese praise Confucius I simply cannot understand
> why. Did Confucius know anything about group theory? Did he know anything
> about solving differential equations? Did he speak English? I doubt very
> much if he even knew how to ride a bicycle, not mentioning driving a car.
> 
> Chou1
>

  Does the grandpa of your grandpa know how to do these things? I personally
think that Con Lao Er was just an ordinary people whose glory got amplified
a thousand times and whose theory(or theory that claims to be his) has been
used to fool people for a long period of time. AND I personally don't think an
ordinary people that lived several thousands of years ago should be required to
ride a bicycle.


                                            
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From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:15:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <92101.114820U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
->In article <121970@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov says:
->>
->>In article <92098.085800U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
->>->In article <121835@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov says:
->>->>
->>->>In article <92095.184430U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> U49146@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

->>Yeah, since English is such a popular language, we can very safely assume that
->>everyone got some exposure to it before high schol.  Give me a break, in
->>some Asian countries students don't learn anything beyond the 26 letter.
->>Why do they need to learn English if they stay in their countries?
->>
->No!  Absolutely not!I won't give you a break! :).  But seriously, if these peop
->le are considering coming here at all, they should make some effort to learn so
->mething beyond the 26 letters.  That is of course if they want to have a good
->chance here and iftheir lifestyle(economic conditions etc etc) allowsit over th
->ere. And we are hardly talking about people who are going to stay there, but in
->today's world, it would hardly hurt you if you learn another language.

Yes.  If some adults know they are going to come here, maybe they can
prepare first.  However, most immigrants who take SAT came here when they
were still kids, say about 14 if you take SAT within 4 years.  It'll be
hard when schools in their home country do not offer real English courses.
And yes it wouldn't hurt if you learn another language, but given such
a good educational environment in US, what's the percentage of people
who really learn a foreign language well enough to survive in another
country?

->>
->>I believe there is a general minimum overall SAT score requirement for some
->>school and some majors.
->>
->There is none here at UIC. It just seems to me rather incredible that anybody w
->ith a 750 math (is this too much?  Assuming they are smart :)), planning to enr
->oll in a technical field will be refused admission because of say something lik
->e a 490 English.  I mean if they are planning to major in History, English or w
->hatever that's a different story.

Well, IMO, 750 on math might not be too much, but 490 English certainly is
too much to ask for an AA immigrant.  By the way, even a 750 math and 490
English would not necessarily guaranteed you admission for say EE/CS major
in certain schools.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak)
Subject: Re: Integrated, Yet Unequal
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:33:05 GMT

In article <TDWU.92Apr7201052@faust.mit.edu> tdwu@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas Wu) writes:
>Minor point: According to the Stanford Observer, Jan-Feb 1992,
>Stanford considered some 667 candidates for president, not just one.
>Moreover, it placed ads in minority publications to get nominations.

My sister (who lives in LA) told me she saw an ad for the Stanford president's
job in the classified section of the _LA Times_.  I was kind of thinking of
applying myself...

Jim
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From: it1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tim Tsai)
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:41:05 GMT

shay@osiris (George Shay) writes:
[...]
>So all in all, this world respects the power. If your home country is strong
>you receive more respection from the others. Although personally I do not
>like the way the Japenese are doing their business, but I am glad to see teh
>Japenese are teaching those racists a hard lesson. The asian people can do
>better than them. They are not smarter at all. And also I hope China and
>India can become superpowers. Then in this world, we can receive much more
>respection.

  Can't agree with you more.

>Be honest, I will not let my sister date an Indian unless I know this guy
>very well, sure he has nice personality and good education. Before that I
>will not let her do it. Personally I do not hate indians, in fact, my
>advisor was an Indian, and I do appreciate he gave me a lot of help.

  Better be prepared for flames on this one, although I
appreciate the honesty.  I never give opinion on who my sisters
should or should not do (including dating.  They just think that I don't
care), as I don't beleive it's any of my business.

>P.S. Never think the mainstream will treat you as one of them. I can tell
>you another story. I started a penpal friendship with a nice girl,in New
>Zealand, it is very intresting to talk to her on net and she enjoyed writing
>me mails(she tlod me she was writing her thesis, and write to me was kinda
>of relax and fun). Everything changed after I told her I am an oriental(she
>said she had english/irich/germen/french blood and asked mine). After that
>she never send me any mails. I believe 100% she will not admitte she is a
>racist, but what does this story tell me? BTW, we never talk about love or
>what ever, we talked about tennis stars, comedies and music, nothing else. I
>talked to her because my friends in Austrilia visited New Zealand and kind
>enough to mail me some photoes they took ther. It is a very beutiful
>country. I am just a kinda curious to know this country.

  That's interesting.  Whenever I talk to females on the network
(mostly initiated on the other end.  I don't much care for
chit-chats, especially over the computer), and usually within 10
sentences I will mention that I'm Asian.  9 out of 10 times you
can see the tone change immediately.  I never desired to meet
any of them anyway, so this doesn't bother me (Don't believe in
computer dating).  It's always interesting to note the changes
nonetheless.

  Tim
From: SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:25:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Apr10.013917.25994@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>In article <1992Apr9.191353.7775@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
>inquisitively asks:
>>
>>Is this true?  Is Chinatown (SF) more unsafe than it was, say, five years
>ago?
>>I'd like to know since I'll be visiting the BA this summer and I'd like to go
>>to Chinatown if I can but I'd rather not get caught in the middle of a cross-
>>fire.  [wry :-)]
>
>Please.  For your own sake, don't walk anywhere near China town.  You
>are, however, permitted to spit on the place as you drive by on your
>way to Japan town.
      So what's the deal?  Sure you are allowed to spit on street in Japaness
      town  even raping  woman is  free of charge there!!


>Do visit Japan town.  It is pleasantly and cleanly arranged; do try out
>the green-tea ice cream sold by the Korean vendor.  In fact, there are
>a couple of Korean operated shops in Japan town; they have all wisely chosen
>to stay away from China town.
     I don't care there are a lots of Japaness *ss kisser, not even to
    mention where they like to do the business.

>My Chinese [strictly in the genetic sense] friend also said that LA's
>Chinatown is just as bad, if not worse.  Chinese culture is, in many
>aspects, very different from either Korean or Japanese culture.  Please
>know the difference, for _YOUR_ and your children's own good.

   Sorry your if father or grandfather is killed in  China during the war,
   but Chinese people didn't invite them to go there. BTW, who believe you
   have Chinese friend? This is the joke of the centry?

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From: rtang@sunee.waterloo.edu (He who must not be Named.)
Subject: Re: One more time on this (AA spokesperson)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:05:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.201930.16572@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>In article <57340@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Hey, why not an Asian
>>
>>- Eddie Murphy
>
>Asian comics are a very rare breed.  I don't know whether this is common in
>Asians in Asian, but I have met more than a few 1st-generation Asians who
>do not get any joke whatsoever.  Not that they are trying to be difficult
>or offended; they simply take everything literally and do not see the
>"alternative" meaning of a phrase necessary to get a joke.  Is this inability
>to get jokes common?  (If this *is* a common trait, it is discouraging to
>those of us who want to be comics for Asian audiences :-)
Well, as for asian comedians in Asia there are plenty. Even the
'serious' actors throw in a bit sometimes a lot of humour into their
films, but I think is by design rather then inpromptu.  I dont know if
there are a lot of 'stand-up' types. but I suspect everyone into this
scene eventually wants to make it in film.  I would say the same for
North American comics too.  As for Asian American comedians,
its rare but they are starting to emerge, snce its now that some
are finally branching out to non traditional asian american professions.

I sometimes get the feeling americans think they are the only ones in the
world who has a pop culture/ entertainment industry.  ie) Not a lot
of Americans ever heard of any Asian celebraties etc.  I know
before I went to Japan, I never knew or was interested in the 
Japanese pop music scene.   Like people in North America seem to forget
there's a world out there.  ie) there is ONLY American movies and music
and EVERYONE in the world ONLY enjoys that.  (exaggerations, but you get
that kind of feeling sometimes)  Indeed American entertainment is
popular world wide, but that isnt ALL thats popular.  Seems like a lot
of stuff never reach americans.  I dont know if this is my accident or
by choice.  <- I guess both is true in some cases.


Sorry for rambling like this.
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: SF & LA (was: Mine's already gone(was: Law of Diminishing Returns))
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 19:37:32 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <122088@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
!In article <s1usiINN1re@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
!->In article <23649@scorn.sco.COM> garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
!->>In article <rdn91INNhvm@agate.berkeley.edu> mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
!->>>>I guess it depends on how much you are willing to compromise (assimilate).
!->>>>Different places will probably take different amount of assimilation in
!->>>>order for you to fit in.  I would say San Francisco is the least 
!->>>>discrimatory places in this world.
!->NOT!!!!!!!!!!! What about all these reported incidents of hate crimes and
!->racial discrimination (as reported a couple of weeks ago on a posting concern-
!->ing this very issue)?
!
!No place is perfect.  But at least people in SF recognize the problem whereas
!in other parts of the country people don't even realize they have a problem.

That's true.. At least it's news here.... Maybe in Alabama 8-), things like
hate crime against asians are reported simply as a murder/homocide.  If
it's race related, the local news here usually reports it as a race related
incident or simply a "hate crime".

!
!->
!->>>>It doesn't matter whether you are very Asian or Americanized, you can still
!->>>>fit in there.
!->>>As long as you're not from LA and/or own any Lakers/Dodgers/Rams/RAIDERS
!->>>sportswear...%^).  
!->Best feeling in the world is walking through downtown San Francisco wearing my
!->Dodger Blue cap and jacket!
!
!Well, that's regional conflicts, not race oriented.

Same is true when I walk around LA with my A's cap.

What was really cool was when I was in LA saw this one dude wearing a
starter jacket -- on the back "Oakland Raiders!" and another time in
Mira Mesa.

!
!--
!Terry Cheung
!tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov


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From: kniaz@cat6.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Is there an anti-racism group of some kind in this country?
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:09:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Apr4.174849.20806@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.214529.1552@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (James Pak) writes:
>
>  Naacp, ACLU, Rainbow Coalition, 
>  Jewish defense league, blah blah blah...  Even David Duke's
>  group claims to be an antiracism group.  

	The Jewish Defense League (JDF) is not an anti-racist 
	organization.  It is an anti-anti-semitic vigilante/  
	terrorist group and should not be grouped with more
	legitimate civil rights and anti-racist organizations 
	such as B'Nai Brith, the Anti-Defamation League or those
	listed above.
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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Will America fall?
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:02:41 GMT
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

DJ: Dwight Joe
TH: Thomas Wu
CS: Chunde Shi

>DJ> In yesterday's New York Times, the FBI noted that the worst (i.e.
>DJ> best organized and most dangerous) Asian gangs operating in the United
>DJ> States are Chinese gangs...

>TW> ...Gangs in the _U.S._ have only to do with
>TW> _American_ culture.  If you want to associate them with _Chinese_
>TW> culture, find the analogous gangs in _China_.  

>CS> Those Chinese were infected by America inner City high crime rate environment! 
>CS> there were nice people before coming to U.S.

This is the complete opposite of everything I have heard. The great
majority of Chinese gangs in the U.S. are extensions of gangs in 
Hong Kong, notably the Triads. The recent increase in Chinese gang 
activity in the U.S. could be related to 1998 as the gangs try to 
build up their power bases abroad.  Most gang recruits are young 
immigrant youths unable to adjust to life in the U.S. and end up
drifting on the fringes of Chinatown life. These gangs prey strictly 
on other Chinese, and have little to do with either the legitimate
or criminal elements of the non-Chinese world. 

Dwight Joe's comparison of the prevalence of Chinese gangs to 
the absence of Japanese gangs in the U.S. as another sign of
Chinese depravity is completely ludicrous. Hasn't he ever heard 
of the yakusa? Japanese criminal activity, if anything, is even
more organized and connected with legitimate elements than the
Chinese!
 
Joe Huang
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