HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: References to NEC previous to Lovecraft
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.224607.7873@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>One thing I have yet to see anywhere in this sig are any references
>at all to any mention of the Necromicon (I thought it was Necronomicon?)
>that can be dated previous to Lovecraft. How about a reference from 
>somebody else other than the elusive "Mad Arab" or something?
>
>
>Queen of Swords
>dleland@nmsu.edu

Since Lovecraft invented the Necronomicon, it is hard to find references
that predate his work. Fictional creations can be troublesome that way.
Pax
B}
					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: H.P. Livecraft's Necromicon
Keywords: Velveeta, NHGH, neutrino oscillations
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:28:24 GMT

harral@dept.physics.upenn.edu (Brian Harral) writes:

>Follow the thread back, or look at the subject line, or look at the name of the newsgroup, or feed my soul to Cthulhu.
or send him $20, or kill him

Xref: sparky alt.necromicon:128 talk.bizarre:37843
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Bib necro
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:43:03 GMT
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:


|>  Iddnibchua gaaurotlol gtloithrahosh ualfhoiiau aalothchagr'e iagnnauyeeea. 
|> Gggobothghu thtaiaor shogathntayi tsghiawga auaonggo oaoaggo aikottathllogg?
|>  -- Clifton

Apparantly you forgot to followup on your pledge to contribute to the Elder
Party in this election year. Don't worry, they'll get you next year.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Aikottathllogg Oaacza (was Re: This Newsgroup)
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:41:52 GMT

 mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:

|> Gggobothghu ggloathchi shogathntayi lyooeeggghu kshaighll nstishaaa
|> uayishoichzhaau aikottathllogg oaacza thdothihtho chtaeeiafh nchetgahaah
|> aipphatheaithn?
|> Cthulhu shtachthagsto oithanyo ouaouaiaa dhommaathy'o gghianithl tchabhkoa
|> yiaanyhaen!!!  Shtachthagsto aachshagg gwory'i aoooshoba shabggaa 
|> thdothihtho lyooeeggghu kshaighll nstishaaa nunkeeothshet _thoaggchafhaae_ 
|> thdothihtho _quoaghyeoaa_?

Despite the misnomer, I think the group is doing fine. The only more usefull
group name would be comp.sources.rlyeh. 

Kudos to the translation program. Now, can someone release a patch of the
dominant news readers so that our various otherworldly beings (who are *always*
watching us) can read news over our shoulders?

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
Subject: This Newsgroup
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:40:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Why doesn't anyone change the name of this newsgroup to its proper title?
Cthulhu is rolling fitfully in his endless dreaming!!!  Is it really that
difficult to change the name from _necromicon_ to _necronomicon_?

Mike C.

-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
From: lizi@soda.berkeley.edu (Cosma Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
Subject: Re: References to NEC previous to Lovecraft
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:53:15 GMT
Organization: Campsu Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley Tentacle)
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov5.224607.7873@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>One thing I have yet to see anywhere in this sig are any references
>at all to any mention of the Necromicon (I thought it was Necronomicon?)
>that can be dated previous to Lovecraft. How about a reference from 
>somebody else other than the elusive "Mad Arab" or something?
>dleland@nmsu.edu
   It _is_ Necronomicon; the person who created this newsgroup made a
tiny little spelling error at the time.
   And you _won't_ find any references to it prior to 1922, because
THAT'S WHEN LOVECRAFT MADE IT UP. There are _none_ before "The Nameless City."
Period. End of discussion. If anyone can find me a reference prior to 1920
(hedging myself against this miserable excuse for a memory I'm stuck with)
which stands up under scrutiny, I swear by Azathoth and He Who Is Not To
Be Named and whatever else you care to name to, publicly and in full view
of the net, eat my "Biohazard Warning" tee shirt.
Yours in Cthulhu,
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf or lizi@soda .berkeley.edu
	larval physicist
-- 
"What's the use of being an American citizen if I can't swear when I
damn well want to?" - My mother, while waiting in line in Heathrow
From: isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
Subject: Re: NECRONOMICON
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:33:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Scholars are torn about the meaning of the "Necromicron." Having
 > finally accepted Mitchell Porter's brilliant analysis of the
 > "Necromicon" as, literally, "The Book of Dead Mice," they are now
 > looking for an explanation of the "Necromicron."

It's actually a corruption of "Necromichron", which treanslates out into
"The Book of Dead -- I mean really LONG dead -- mice".

Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....)
Subject: NECRONOMICON : - Help: a FAQ from an interested party.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:45:12 GMT


I've heard an awful lot about this Necronomicon and have been trying to find 
out what it is exactly. OK I've heard on the news group that HP Lovecraft
(The Master) wrote it, but what's it about?? I'm having trouble finding it. 
ALT.Vampires are talking about it.
Fields of the Nephilim fans are quoting from it...
Could someone (without flaming) please giz a hand??
Is it related to HR Gigers Necronomicon??
Yours..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-John Mc Donagh.                   ~~                         {Nascent Virion}
mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie              ~~         "I dress my tears in costumes.."
				   ~~
"Adolf Hitler is alive and well... I slept with HER last night..
 You favor life, she favors death... And I'm on the fence and my balls hurt"
					          Chicago Live.. --Jim Morrison

Newsgroups: alt.necromicon,talk.bizarre
From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: References to NEC previous to Lovecraft
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:46:07 GMT

One thing I have yet to see anywhere in this sig are any references
at all to any mention of the Necromicon (I thought it was Necronomicon?)
that can be dated previous to Lovecraft. How about a reference from 
somebody else other than the elusive "Mad Arab" or something?


Queen of Swords
dleland@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon,alt.horror.cthulhu
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: Voynich-missing letters
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 02:12:05 GMT

In article <pegasus-041192104736@fp1-dialin-2.uoregon.edu> pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Laurie E. W. Brandt) writes:

>Would it be possible to make an electronic copy to post? so we can all read
>it.

The closest thing to that is as follows:

 The Voynich Manuscript

1. The actual manuscript is in the Beinecke Rare Book Library,
associated with Yale University.   A bound paper copy may be purchased
for \$40 by contacting Robert Babcock at 203-432-2977.  Microfilm copies
are also available.   Warning: this is not for the impatient.

2.  Parts of the manuscript were transcribed by Mary D'Imperio
and are available by anonymous ftp at:

Host:  rand.org  (192.5.14.33)

Directory:    pub/jim

File:  voynich.tar.Z


Get the file ReadMe.dir for a list of other interesting files and
software in this directory, including Voynich fonts for the PC and parts
of the Voynich in GIF form.

3.  A book that has some nice pictures of part of the Voynich is:

Editor:    Brumbaugh, Robert Sherrick

Title:    The Most Mysterious Manuscript: the Voynich
``Roger Bacon" Cipher Manuscript

Publisher:   Carbondale: Southern Illinois University
Press, c1978. xii, 175 pp.

This book is a collection of essays
on the Voynich interspersed with the authors own claimed decoding of
the Voynich.  Warning: his solution is not likely to be correct,
and should be taken with a big grain of salt.
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
Subject: Re: NECRONOMICON
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:31:14 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <9210946.13@cuslm.ca>, 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.) writes:
> 	Hey guys!  I know I may have my hand chopped off for saying this but 
> it's been 4 years that I've been hearing about this book from H.P.Lovecraft 

And I am most impressed indeed with your masterful skill with the Art! Pray
share with us this Ritual by which you may communicate even with the Master!

> and it was said, I REPEAT!  IT WAS SAID AND PRONOUNCED NECRONOMICON!!!!!!  
> Not Necronomicron like some people on this newsgroup tend to write!
> 
> 	If anyone cares to comment, he need only reply and I'll be there!
> 
> 			Deadeye!    :"A little song, a little dance, Batmans 
>                                     :head on lance!" 
> 						-The Joker

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Subject: NECRONOMICON
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:03:20 GMT

[ Article crossposted from sci.nanotech ]
[ Author was Timothy C. May ]
[ Posted on 11 Nov 92 22:44:24 GMT ]
(I apologize to Kathoolhu for not correctly posting this to
alt.necromicon when I posted it to sci.nanotech recently. Here it is.) 

It seems that people continue to doubt the Truth of H.P. Livecroft's
"Necromicon"!  They persist in claiming the spelling is
"Necronomicon," when any fool reading "alt.necromicon" can plainly see
the spelling right there in the name of the group! Can't they read?

And now some are even confusing the "Necromicon" with the "Necromicron"!

Brian Spolarich (briansp@css.itd.umich.edu) wrote:

:    Or for that metter, the name of this group:  alt.NECROMICRON.
:   
:   Wouldn't that be a dead, really little thing?


Scholars are torn about the meaning of the "Necromicron." Having finally
accepted Mitchell Porter's brilliant analysis of the "Necromicon" as,
literally, "The Book of Dead Mice," they are now looking for an
explanation of the "Necromicron."

The two leading contenders:

1. "The Book of Dead Microns," a screed by the Nanotechnologists (see
sci.nanotech) which denounces the micron as an obsolete measure for
Pre-Singularity "bulk" technology. The Mad Arab, Eric Al-Drexler, has
written a book, "Nanosystems," which may in fact be this long-lost
"Book of Dead Microns."

2. "The Book of Dead Microns," referring to the backlash against
Micron Corporation, Boise, Idaho, for urging tariffs on memory chips.
Having gotten tariffs placed on Korean RAMs, Micron now faces the
Wrath of the Users. The Mad Spud, J. R. Simplott, is looking for a job
peeling Ore-Ida potatoe chips.

-- 




-- 
..........................................................................
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From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: Voynich-missing letters
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:30:47 GMT

pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Laurie E. W. Brandt) writes:

>> >I have a xerox copy of the Voynich and the letters are, for the most
>> >part, beautifully readable, so it's hard to believe this theory.
>Would it be possible to make an electronic copy to post? so we can all read
>it.
>				
>Pegasus

there is a voynich-related ftp site at rand.org (also home of
the voynich mailing list), /pub/jim. i think voynich.tar.Z is a sort
of transcription of the document, and voynich.now a more recent
version of the same; who knows, there might be voynich-gifs there
as well.

Newsgroups: alt.necromicon
From: 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.)
Subject: NECRONOMICON
Summary: Demon summoning
Keywords: death
Organization: Centre d'Informatique, Centre universitaire Saint-Louis-Maillet
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:05:45 GMT

	Hey guys!  I know I may have my hand chopped off for saying this but 
it's been 4 years that I've been hearing about this book from H.P.Lovecraft 
and it was said, I REPEAT!  IT WAS SAID AND PRONOUNCED NECRONOMICON!!!!!!  
Not Necronomicron like some people on this newsgroup tend to write!

	If anyone cares to comment, he need only reply and I'll be there!

			Deadeye!    :"A little song, a little dance, Batmans 
                                    :head on lance!" 
						-The Joker
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Subject: Re: Gay rights and the Colorado bigots
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 06:40:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.030409.28639@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dcarver@nyx.cs.du.edu (Douglas Carver) writes:
>     To the gentlemen engaging in the Amendment 2 debate:
>I feel that the amendment is totally uncalled for and repulsive!  How
>could so much hate exist in such a beautiful state?  Must be something in
>the water.

It has nothing to do with hate!!! As I told a user earlier in a
letter, most straights seriously think that homosexuals are very
paranoid. Now before jumping to conclusions let me explain. Of all the
people I know, only one is the "kill them all type". Everyone else
could frankly care less what you do in bed. But if you say a thing you
are instantly labeled as a gay basher who 'hates' homosexuals and I
frankly don't appreciate it. I'm sure your perspective is different,
but I'm just informing YOU that from our perspective, you have an
attitude like everyone is out to get you..and I'll have you know that
is totally untrue.

This legislation was voted in because the people of Colorado feel that
sexual orientation is not something that deserves special protection.
And besides, what is to keep me from saying that I'm gay? Hell, I'd
definitely do it if it would win me a lawsuit. It certianly doesn't
compare with someone who is black and everyone knows it.

>     As for the charge that gays can just sue for compensation, I propose
>that all gays can't afford to sue when they get fired.  I'd dare to say

Most lawyers will take your case for a percentage of the award. Like
the personal injury guys.

>. . . Why don't we start firing straights? 

We do..

>     The amendment in Colorado is a heinous affair, and I look forward to
>it being repealed by the intelligent voters in the Grand Canyon state. 
>Until it is repealed, I for one will discontinue my skiing plans there, as
>well as any future plans to tour the Canyon again.  The fact that hate has
>found its way into the legal system of the state is truly frightening.

The Grand Canyon is in Arizona. And since the amendment won by quite a
few votes I doubt it will be repealed by the voters any time soon. And
as far as your boycott goes, that's a joke! We've been trying to get
people to buy American, not watch Married with Children and it doesn't
work. What will work is if people don't discuss sexual matters at the
office. If I went in and started talking about how hard a fucked my
woman the other night I would probably get fired too.

Eric
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Subject: thanks!
Reply-To: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:00:23 EST

Hello Steve!

I don't know if this will message will get through to you.  This is the
first time I have tried to enter a message through USENET.  But I just
wanted to thank you for all of your comments.  I think that what you say
is very important and I hope that people pay attention.  You seem to
have a lot of the same opinions as I do.   Cheers, guy!

Thanks for your thoughtfulness,
Ron.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: jmatthews@uswest.com
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gay rights and the Colorado bigots
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:29:14 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> What will work is if people don't discuss sexual matters at the
>office. If I went in and started talking about how hard a fucked >my
>woman the other night I would probably get fired too.

Oh, please!  I was going to stay out of this one, but comments like this are
just too much!  Do you honestly think that i (or any of my gay/lesbian friends
where i work) go to the office and gab about our sex lives?  No, sorry.  We
leave the locker-room mentality to *some* straight men who seem to get a thrill
from discussing their conquests.

--jaye 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:27:38 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov12.023307.25275@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> masterov@filter.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Masterov) writes:

>Actually, there is a simple reason why homosexuals are untenable in the
>military and it is the same reason women in combat costitute a problem.

I almost choked when I read this.  Your reasons given below don't hold
water.

>For the sake of simplicity, we can categorize all armies into fanatic
>and non-fanatic types.  The fanatic types are almost exclusively composed
>of people who believe, at the gut level, that death in combat is a great
>thing for everyone.  [...]
>I think we all agree that the US army does not qualify.

Then what's your point?

>A non-fanatic soldier on the front line with a lover next to him/her is a
>disaster!  What kind of reasonably normal human being (NOT a fanatic)
>will consider ANY risk unjustified to save the person he/she loves?
>No amount of discipline will handle this!

The bonding you mention occurs all the time among men in the ranks and
I don't see a rash of court martials going on because of it.

>Answer this honestly:  If you are in combat and your lover is wounded,
>do you leave him/her behind just because someone ordered you to?  Could
>you leaver your lover to die like that?  I know I could not.

No, I could not.  But I'd make sure I would never be put in such a
position to begin with.

>We have women in the army but not in combat, but the same method could
>never be made to work for gay men.

I think the reasons for keeping women out of combat has to do more with
sexism and the differences in physical characteristics than the reason
you put forth here.

>There are other, less compelling reasons, but they all boil down to
>being discipline problems.

Same was said about African-Americans 30 years ago.
--
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CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: Want to meet a gay person
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:42:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov09.174712.15723@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu> eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp) writes:
>Ummm. . .Thomas?  I think that now would be a good time to point out that I am 
>a *heterosexual* man.  I still maintain that a good majority of het men are 
>assholes.

Some of you may remember me asking this before, but I never got an answer...
Why do you read this .net, if you are heterosexual?

And by the way, Ethan, I agree with you.

Aeleck                 /                  /  
                      /                  /        
     __      __      /   __      __     /         
    /  \    /  \    /   /  \    /  \   / \        "If you're not having
   /   /   /\__/   /   /\__/   /      /\_/         fun, you're doing some-
   \__/\__/\___/__/\__/\___/__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick

            "Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado" 
                                       -Melinda Shore(shore@tc.cornell.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jage@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:40:46 GMT

In article <92308.121829IDJDM@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDJDM@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>
>If you read about the social life styles of the Greeks and other peoples, you w
>ould find that it was customary for a man to be married, have children, but als
>o have a young male sexual partner that he would sexually educate, who would th
>en grow up, marry, and have the same relationship with another male.
>

Ah yes, let us recall our history about Sparta.  The sister city to the 
intellectual Athens.  Sparta was a warrior nation.  The Spartains did 
nothing except train to be soldiers.  What is the point?

Homosexuality was considered the norm (as above) and as I recall, women
were not considered to be worthy of the love of a man.  So the military 
at the time was not hindered by this.  I think today the military is 
still not hindered, except for those who refuse to see the truth.

(truth being that homosexuals already function in the militart.)


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual