HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:03:31 GMT
Organization: Chainsaw Reprogramming Ltd

In article <1992Apr09.171647.23055@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:

>   It could be that women tend to dress more colourfully than men do,
>and after having your eyes attracted to the bright colours, you notice
>the interesting features even on women who aren't brightly dressed.
>I noticed I started to notice men a lot more after I'd actually been
>involved with one, and had a chance to notice the interesting bits are
>usually hidden away.

  Hmmm, I dont know, its a possibility.  However there's this
ghastly item of clothing become unisexually popular in the UK
called a 'shellsuit' -  a sort of nylon tracksuit, and provided
in the most garish colour combinations imaginable.
  *Any*thing with the lack of taste to wear such an item is a no
go zone in my book.
  Generally, I'd say less men dress to look good, its far more utilitarian,
or 'uniform', so women have a head-start in that sort of noticability
stakes; its often an important factor in how they dress.  My own taste
is fairly utilitarian, though a penchant for waistcoats and lots
of jewellery offsets that...
  That said, being a less 'straight' (in the sense of normal) type
than most I prefer 'interesting' to anything else.  Give me a woman
in a long fringed skirt, combat boots and leathers any day of the week...
  Most guys I know look silly in long fringed skirts :)  
  
>   Long hair is a killer, though, on a good-looking man, when he's
>also wearing jeans and a jacket. It helps if he's a redhead, too (lapse
>into drooling...)
>
   My jeans now only erve to hold the holes together, so I tend to
wear combat trousers...  and only the beard is red, sorry.....

White Rabbit
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman)
Subject: NELGBSA
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 18:11:50 GMT



I, too, was at the Delaware conference. I had a wonderful time
until about midnight, Sunday night (that was me you heard screaming 
over the music - I'm still limping around). The workshops and
people were both very open to bissues (if I may coin a word). 
One session I went to, a dialogue between bi women/ lesbians, was
particularly informative.
	I hadn't realized there was so much separatism and anger 
towards bifolk. We are always ignored, of course, but I didn't think the 
intentional hatred was there. I guess I lead a sheltered life.
		Just HOW sheltered became obvious last night, at
our LGSU (Student Union) meeting. I had introduced a motion to
change the name to the BLGSU, or some other permutation to include
myself. As an officer in the organization, I felt I had the right to
recognition in the title! I thought it would breeze through, but I 
encountered a lot of very vocal opposition. :-(
	Any suggestions as to how I can push this through? 
Arguments that might help change their minds? Any help would be greatly
appreciated!! Post or mail me. 		Sharon

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 22:20:09 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) wrote...
>I get sick of being told I'm not "really" bisexual because I am
>deciding to marry a man.  Sorry folks, but the person I happend to
>fall in love with and feel a spiritual bond with happens to have a
>penis.  I didn't order him that way, and it't not like I felt the same
>way for a woman and turned her down before because I wanted to fit the
>social "norm."  
I've been thinking about this very subject for awhile now.
I was realizing how easy it is to think that everyone else in the world 
must think and perceive like me. (Don't they??  <grin>)
I'm over on the other end of the bi spectrum.  I'm sexually attracted
to both men and women, but when it comes down to who I want in
a long(er) term relationship, I am inevitably drawn to women.
Because I (and I speak only for me, myself, and I!) feel a special
"connection", and empathy with [some!] women, it is very easy
for me to think that this is true for all non-hetero women.
Wrong!  Being around bi-folk is oh so good for me.  Yes, you too
can have all of your silly prejudices blown to bits...sign up now!

>What if I decided to have a long term relationship with a woman?
>Would I not be a real bi then?  I don't hear that sentiment usually.
I hear it quite often, but not normally from bi folk.

>The stereotypes are rediculous.  How many times do I hear that being
>bisexual means you MUST have a partner of each sex at the same time at
>all times?  I don't understand this.  Where did this come from?  
From vicious stereotypes and wishful thinkers.

Ellen
--
 Patricia "Ellen" Clary              |    "There's a lot to be said for
 pclary@polyslo.csc.CalPoly.EDU      |    an experience that's primitive."
 pclary@nike.CalPoly.EDU             |                        Riker (ST:TNG)
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (S Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: good places to not fit in
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:42:45 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern) writes:

>In article <20118@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:

>>** Eight years??!! ** ** Computer hippy? **  *I* sure as hell don't need
>>to fly to get to Glasgow, I can get there in under an hour on the train
>>(on one of BR's good days with the wind behind it ...)  I'll see you
>>there tomorrow!  

>  Sulk.

Well, have you got eight years worth of hair growth and are you a
computer hippy??

>  How come you never offered to rush over here for me?  Okay s'only been
>about 3 years in my case, but I could almost be miffed at this.  Specially
>since he's only two mins walk from my building...

Well in that case what's the problem, I can kill the two birds with the
one train ride.

>  Actually if you do come over, let me know...

Now would I do otherwise?  Hey Sean, it's just been all go lately, yken?

>Or alternatively, you come over to Edinburgh and I'll
>>make you a nice cuppa coffee, I just recently got a new filter maker
>>and the delicatessen up the road does some nice blends ...

>  Whimper.

Well you can come as well; what are you doing this weekend?

>  <mutters about fickleness, the unfairness of life, and when the hell the 
>goddess is gonna give him his keys back....>

Now you got they keys what you gonna do with them? >{8-)

>ps  To whomsoever it was on here (think may have been Kay) what mentioned
>Daagen Haz ice cream, my SO and I owe you a very large thanks... wonderful
>stuff....

Yeah and Haagen Daaz ain't bad neither ... >{8-)

Seriously Sean, gimme a shout and we'll arrange some mutual, er,
visitation ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1342a )
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: NELGBSA conference, then CHOICE march on DC
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:58:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <3596@novavax.UUCP> grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) writes:
>>A couple of us from Georgia Tech drove up to Delaware (gasp) for the NELGBSA
>>conference
>What's wrong with Delaware??! I graduated from there!! grin..

That was a gasp for the drive.  It takes about twelve hours to drive from
Atlanta to Newark.  That's direct, no stops (except for gas, which the car
needed all too often).

I've gotten to know the route between Atl/DC quite well in the last couple
of weeks.  Drove up to DC last weekend for the Choice march.  It was
incredible.  We died-in behind the White House.  What a thrill.

And the hundreds of thousands of women.... it was quite a sight.

Makes me HUNGER for the march next year - we'll break a million I'm sure.

--
Chuck LeDuc		gt1342a@prism.gatech.edu
"get your kicks... on route 66"
From: hopkins@coulin.turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: good places to not fit in
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:01:31 GMT
Reply-To: hopkins@uk.ac.turing
Organization: The Turing Institute, Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <20118@castle.ed.ac.uk>, sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:
|> hopkins@coulin.turing.ac.uk (Don Hopkins) writes:
|> 
|> >Oh yeah, I like looking at *anything* yellow, especially in black leather. 
|> >(My friend has this soft long haired golden yellow cat that I just adore, 
|> >but cats sure hate wearing collars, so I'll have to settle for humans...) 
|> 
|> Well, my cat is tortoiseshell so there's plenty of yellow in there ...

You mean you'd share? It's been such a long time since I've had any pussy...
Does s/he mind wearing a collar? Should I bring my last can of tuna?

|> PS  That's a very interesting surname you have there, Don, could we by
|> any chance be related?  >{8-)

Probably not, since Hopkins isn't my maiden name -- it's from my last
marriage, with a Scottish terrier. But that bitch ran out on me to be
with a fat orange tom cat with a big fluffy tail, and all she left me
with was her surname and a broken leash. Dogs and cats, living together,
really!

	-Don

PS: My maiden name is extremely hard to pronounce and can't even be
typed in 7 bit ASCII, so please don't ask! At least I got something
lasting and worthwhile out of the marriage!

PPS: NOT!
From: iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:29:59 GMT

alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) writes:


>I get sick of being told I'm not "really" bisexual because I am
>deciding to marry a man.  .........
>...... I have been called "just another breeder" by bi's as
>well as lesbians.  

Well that blows the myth of bi tolerance.

I am really disturbed that bi's have told you you arnn't bi enough and I
expect(hope anyway) just about everybody here is too.  A bad case 
of uh... internalised bi-phobia I suspect.  I have never come across 
that in a self-confessed bi before.  I have had to fend of these accusations
from lesbians but never bis.

Send them my way for some re-education if you like. On second
thoughts, they might meet with severial violence, I reserve the nastiest 
punishments for traitors, ..... and an aside to peg <slap> before you ask
you can't come too, this would be more than just a little whipping.

>The stereotypes are rediculous.  How many times do I hear that being
>bisexual means you MUST have a partner of each sex at the same time at
>all times? 

Gawd!  Now I feel inadaquate, where are we supposed to get the energy for
dealing with all these partners.  I mean I`ve heard of joined at the hip,
but  joined at both hips for all time to remain a card carrying bi - NOT

>I don't understand this.  Where did this come from?  

I don't know.  Maybe because of people associating bi = two = two partners.
Bisexuality is certainly not a prerequisite for multiway relationships.
Maybe people assume that if you have mixed gender multiway relationships that
some or all of the people have to be bisexual.  

Anyway Amy you are bi enough for me, is a bit of flirtation out of the
question, considering your upcoming nuptials.  <smile, flirt, flirt ......>

Don't let the Bastards grind you down,

Iseult.
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:59:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010066.147ra4
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <1992Apr13.093644.2427@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> (soc.bi), abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kitling ) writes:
> pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:
> 
> >methinks david just joined the great red-head hunt!  ;)
> 
> *ACK!*  When did this start?  Methinks I'm going to beat a hasty retreat after
> just de-muffining.....*sigh* *pulls out her paper back, puts it on her head 
> and slinks quietly into a dim corner of the news group to avoid the hunters*

No, no.  Please don't hide.  It's a gentle hunt, I'm sure.  
> 
> *sinks down against the floot and curls her tail over her nose to wait this
> thing out*  

Would a defender help to keep you out in the net?  After all, as a
Greywolf I have always wanted a chance to howl at moonlight.  ;-)
> 
> moonlight
> 
> 
> *******************************************************************************
> You're an outlaw lover and I'm after your hide.
> Well, ya ain't so strong, won't be long til your hands are tied.
> Tonight I'm gonna take you in dead or alive, well, tha's right.
> You break the laws of love in the name of desire,
> Take ten steps back cause I'm ready, baby, aim and fire.
>                       -Cher                   abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> *******************************************************************************
> 
> 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: Dominos (was: De-muffining, me too!)
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:51:05 GMT

In article <PTFCLZK=S@linac.fnal.gov> glass@mdtf14.fnal.gov (Hank Glass) demuffins:
|Hmmm...Chicago a hotspot?  Yes, I thought I noticed a change in the weather
|since moving here from LA... I've also noticed I've been feeling a bit
|odd lately (queer? no ..no.. that's not quite right... ), but I have
|had an almost irresistable urge to snuggle with just about anything that
|moved--male, female, or neuter (hey!  does that make me TRI-sexual?)
|
|Hmmm... must be something in the air.., or water?
|
   Springtime in Chicago.  You know, the temperature goes down to freezing,
the spring collection of odd mailings arrive ('How did *I* get on the mailing
list for International Male?'), spring semester starts accelerating towards
exams, and all the trainspotters start coming out (so to speak...)

|goodness... have I de-muffined?

    Apparently so.  But we won't tell anyone, at least not yet.

|Eeeek!!!   Well, it does tickle a little bit.

    Oho, this is a sensitive type!  Line forms to the left! ;-)

|Actually, it feels rather pleasant.  Well, here's hugs & kisses to
|all, and a "tra-la-lah" for those who are musically inclined.

    Licks in return, and welcome.

                __
  david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Bi Quotes
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:19:42 GMT
Reply-To: rhialto@cs.kun.nl
Organization: News Addicts with custom software

In article <1992Mar30.040827.5166@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Is my reputation as insatiable lustmonster hunting redheads dampened yet?

Nope! I guess we'll have to create a list of redheads, purely for my
benefit... *awaits angry response* ok, ok, you may use it too...

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/ How can you be so stupid if you're identical to me? -Robert Silverberg
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (S Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Top 25 News Submitters by User by number of articles for the last 2 weeks
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:16:39 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:

>Now Ciaran, lets be Liberal about this (in the USAian sense).  It
>is really none of our business if Graham and other consenting
>adults want to do that words-l thing.  Of course I'm talking
[...]

Hee hee hee!!!!  That one takes the biscuit!!!  More more more more
more!!!!  <against the accompaniment of feet thudding against wooden
floor and hands clapping in rhythm>

Filed in my save-until-I-run-out-of-disk-space-again directory.

Sara       >{8-)
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: kmj1@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu (kate marie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: too perverse? (was Re: I am Muffin! I am INVINCIBLE!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:49:04 GMT
	<1992Apr4.071529.25578@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
	<KMJ1.92Apr6235614@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu>
	<1992Apr7.211313.25348@panix.com>
Organization: Lehigh University Student Konsultants

In article <1992Apr7.211313.25348@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:

> In article <KMJ1.92Apr6235614@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu> kmj1@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu (kate marie) writes:
[random stuff deleted]
> >
> >wow, i finally got the courage to demuffin. hugs/kisses/licks, anyone?
> >
> Flutter, flutter, - turn away quickly!
> If your hair is long, may I wrap myself in it?  Or if short, can I scritch
> it?  Blush, flutter, flutter.  

scritch all you want...i only like long hair on _other_ people.
that way i don't have to deal with it :)

> Flirtitiously munching on the back of the entire newsgroup's neck:

you can munch on me _anytime_ ;)

kate

.sig file as soon as by boyfriend the EE god figures out how...
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Annoytance with Administration
Organization: Tom's Box of Ahedonia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:26:58 GMT

In <92094.043101SBIT37@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SBIT37@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:

>"Information (including software) accessed by use of the Computer facilities
> may be used only for University purposes (University teaching, research, and
> administration)."

Name any newsgroup, I'll come up with a "University purpose" for it.

For example, when I was in school I made a big push to get news (any
news!) at all.  The reason that the most administrators picked up on
was "This school isn't providing my with an education on certain highly
technical topics especially networking and [a couple other things
lacking at that school]".

Might you suggest that your university provides zero support for
bisexuals while maintaining a special women's center, a counceling
center stocked with people untrained to your needs, etc [add or delete
as is appropriate to your school].   Therefore, it is within the
"University purpose" to provide this service via electronic means
instead.

Another helpful hint:  I've seen many sites almost lose a newsgroup
like alt.sex but it was saved because some high-ranking sysadmin wanted
it.  If this sysadmin's .newsrc file is world-readable, it's ethical to
see what sinful newsgroups he reads and would be willing to protect.
The possibilities are endless.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (play) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Subject: Re: the newsgroup (was: muffining)
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:01:16 GMT

In article <1992Mar27.114153.1@amherst.edu> twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>> signal : noise ratio. But, you will find that one person's signal is
>> another person's noise. I wouldn't be surprised if what you called
>> flames were what I might call heated debate.
>
>I, for one, will never cease to be amazed at the volume of
>biskiteers on the group.  When soc.bi was in the discussion
>stages, I expressed a lot of doubt that we would see a lot of bi
>folks who hadn't shown up on soc.motss for one reason or another. 
>I am ecstatic to have been proven wrong!

I'm kinda pleased too, though less surprised, 'cause I was reading my
mailbox during the pre-vote time, convincing people it would be safe
to vote, and encouraging people to believe we could make it a bit
different in flavor (one of the big objections I got from closeted bis
was "hey, why bother if it's going to be another soc.motss -- I fuck
motos, too").  I'm delighted that there's a strong political flavor,
AND more lightheartedness as well.  The odd flirt is OK too.

I enjoy "heated debate", because it's not always the kind, mellow,
thoughtful articles that get my attention, that persuade me to think
through something one more time.  When someone is so het up about
something that sie flames me, this usually serves as a clue that,
whether it's hir attitude, mine, or both, something needs adjusting
because somedamthing has made this other person uncomfortable at me.

And clues like that should be followed, not ignored.  After you think
it through, then's a fair time to ignore it.

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
Xref: sparky soc.bi:4427 soc.motss:20102
From: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Laws in the Isle of Man
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:27:24 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Trinity College, Dublin.

In <1992Apr11.033148.26268@microsoft.com>
frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:

>So, Ciaran, when's the Dail going to follow suit, now that the House of
>Keys has done the right thing?

Unfortunately, even though the government promised to change the law,
there are no signs of it happening.

What I find interesting though is that with the recent case of the 14
year old girl who was raped and (after much hassle) went to England to
have an abortion, there is a bit more anger among people than before.
That case coupled with some news coverage of the the American Paddy's
Day parades (especially the Boston one) has sparked off one gay male
friend of mine to take a few more steps out of the closet and a desire
to become active in the community. It also acted as a catalyst to one
of his friends to also come out.

Whether anything major will come of this newfound anger remains to be
seen.

>And, btw, do you know if Tynwald is anything more than a rubber stamp,
>i.e., would there be any difficulty in confirming the change?

I know sod all about politics in Ireland, never mind other countries, so
I'll leave that for somebody else to answer.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                            ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.      \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539  FAX: +353-1-772204  email: cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie  \/
From: nmw1638@cs.rit.edu (Nicolas M Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Liberals (was Re: Coming out to teachers...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:03:02 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY


Ok, I just felt like making a comment about the L-word:

From what I gather, in the U.S. the word "liberal" can be used in many ways
to express several types of mindsets.
For example it can be used to describe these and other political positions: 

1) The belief that civil rights should be expanded (this in general is
a position held by many democrats and few republicans);

2) the belief in welfare high government participation in the economy
and other such "leftist" economic beliefs,

3) socialism (this is the type policies/beliefs  alluded to when the
L-word  is used as an insult),

4) the lack of support for the policies of certain republican politicians
(read Jesse Helms, Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, John Sununu, etc....)
especially when it comes to civil rights and economics,

etc...

I understand that in some countries liberalism stands for free-markets
and capitalism, and in yet others it stands for the support of democracy.


I personnally feel that this word is too often used as an insult or a
form of disapproval.

As far as I'm concerned, you could say that I'm for responsibility in
economics (something the republicans used to stand for) and expanded
civil rights.

Nick (W)
--
                                                           ______         
E-mail: nmw1638@cs.rit.edu Phone: (716) 475-3716           \ \/ /       
Mail: CPU 645, 25 Andrews Memorial Dr, Rochester, NY 14623  \/\/
Disclaimer: My opinions are mine!
Newsgroups: soc.bi