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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:19:04 PDT
From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: back to music

In reply to Leonard's Four Questions:

1) I would probably liked to have worked with The Beatles circa 1965 to 1967,
   as a drummer (sorry Ringo).  I also would have liked to have jammed
   with Weather Report in 1979, when Jaco was the bigwig in the band.
   Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel would have been a fun crowd to be in with
   around 1984.  I can't rule out the Police either, but they sounded
   pretty tight without me in there to undo the weave.  It would have been
   cool to have sat in on drums during Sting's Blue Turtles stuff.
   I'd probably front my own band in 1965 to 1967, just to be there.

2) Chet Atkins?  Sorry, can't help you on that one.  Don't own any.
   But I do know that he a mean version of the "Benny Hill" closing theme.

3) Music is my life. Relationships between acoustic and electromagnetic waves
   has always been my obssession.  I needn't say this, but Love is the Seventh
   Wave, so that fits into my scheme of things.
   Art is static music and music is dynamic art.  Definitely a 10 in my life.

4) Since 1977, I've picked up on drums, synths, bass, guitar, and studio
   magick.  I also play a mean recorder (shakuhachi style, see below),
   pennywhistle, mbira, tar (framedrum), tabla (Indian drum), oud (fretless
   lute), ney (middle eastern flute), tube drum, and Jew's harp (ha ha).
   Too bad, because I can't read music, I can only play what I hear in
   my head.  I WOULD like to learn how to play trumpet (a la Miles), but
   that's going to take a LONG TIME... Violin (a la L. Shankar) would be
   nice too.  My thang now is fretless bass, which I hope to buy before
   the end of this year (Pedulla, any comments?)

I'm no means a great player on any of these instruments (except for drums
and bass) but I think ten years of exposure to these instruments rubs
off on you.  Music is my life.

 3
M

Note:  for all you poor fools who had to learn recorder back in elementary
or middle school, listen up...
Here's a neat little trick to make your recorder play like a Japanese
shakuhachi (vertical flute).  Take a small cork (e.g., from a test tube)
and cut a small hole or wedge in it all the way through.  The basic idea
is to get that low C on the recorder to play a lower B instead.  The notes
falls into a cool modal scale that is fun to play around on.

B D E   G A B D E   G A
low<              >high

(the blank means you do not play that hole at all)

With a little practice, you can get the vibrato effect by gently shaking the
recorder up and down in your mouth.  Don't blow all the air into the fipple,
do it so it really sounds breathy.  With more practice, you can get the
notes to bend the right way.  Good luck!

Only on ALLMUSIC do you you get this kind of info....

I thrive on stuff like this.  Does anyone else have any cool tricks to reveal?
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:55:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Difference between Hard Rock and Heavy Metal
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Who knows? I hate classifying music? But if I had to, I would say that
hard rock is more commercialized. Van Halen is a good example of Hard
Rock. One could also argue that bands like Slaughter, Warrant and Firehouse
are hard rock, but I have also heard them referred to as pop metal. Bands
like Metallica, Slayer, Testemant, Savatage, etc. are definetely NOT hard
rock. Triumph is definately NOT heavy metal, yet I have seen their music in
the heavy metal bin at the music stores.

I think the Bloomeister covered this better in a previous post. I have since
deleted it though.

Enya, I mean Bob quizzes:

>Now a quiz, to see if you've mastered the principles.
>
>        (a) Why is Soundgarden in the Metal bin of my record store?
>        (b) Why is Aerosmith not in the Metal bin of my record store?
>        (c) Why is Ministry in the Alternative bin?
>        (d) Why is Enya not in the Metal bin?

>Good luck.  Show all your work.

The answer to all is the "bin factor." I see no consistency in music stores.
I have seen Soundgarden, Aerosmith, and Ministry in the heavy metal bin.
And just yesterday, I saw Enya in the Rock bin. Gee, about 14 years ago, I
was buying Kiss albums out of the Rock bin. Times sure have changed.

Seeya,
Gary

P.S. Lenny, it's nice to see that you've taken some of my advice, now you
     gotta work on that spelling. :-)

P.P.S. re: bunching up replies -> Common sense will tell you that you can do
           this by exporting several messages to the same file, and editing
           that file. Then import that file and send it.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:46:03 -0400
From:         "Russell A. Potter" <rapotter@COLBY.EDU>
Subject:      favorite German bands
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While you're at it: Since you name Amon Dul and Ash Ra Tempel, what about
Popol Vuh?  I think Florian Fricke is one of the most brilliant musicians
of the past 20 years -- too bad so little Vuh is out on disk.  Then of
course there's Klaus Schulze, Roedelius, Eberhard Weber, and so many others
of the late great Brain records...

Nowadays, most of the German stuff I admire is industrial -- KMFDM,
Einsturzende Neubaten, Front 242, Misteria.  Some of it still reaches
the sublime, while providing pendy of angst along the way...

Anyone know a good source for Greman music on CD (that is, stuff that
isn't available lia US licensees?)


=========================================================================
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies"
                                                    --Friedrich Nietzsche
=======Russell A. Potter========<rapotter@colby.edu>=====================
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:30:56 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Dream (cream) Teams

Leonard's question about who we would all like to play with, or have played
with brought a Jimi topic to mind. I have almost all of his early stuff,
but none of the recycled/re-mixed/re-discovered stuff they've put out in
the last ten years. Can anyone run down some of these releases for me in
regards to:
   1. Different versions of previously released tunes
   2. Never before released tunes, AND
   3. Tunes where Jimi jams with musicians other than the Experience, or
      the Woodstock band.

I know, for instance, that Jimi new and jammed with Leslie West and Steve
Stills, and I don't know who else. I feel it's about time I tightened up my
Jimi collection after all these years. Any help would be appreciated.
                                                              ...wck...
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:09:31 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      ringo
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    Re. Marco's comments on Ringo's time: I understand the reason the Beatles
went with Ringo in the first place was that he was the only drummer in
Liverpool who could keep time.  Not the greatest technique, but it worked
for the B's, and I still like to listen to his work.  I know Drummer thinks
Ringo is a meta-god....surpassed only by Keith Moon.....and Neil Peart....

Russ
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:24:27 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      The *Real* Official Word on Jerry Garcia

Via the Dead Heads list, this is the statement which the Grateful Dead
released last Friday:

 As the week has passed, we've learned that Jerry Garcia's recuperation will
 take longer than we'd initially hoped.  We remain certain that he will
 return to full good health, but the rest and care he needs will require us
 to cancel the fall East Coast tour.  Jerry is in the care of a physician at
 home and is on the mend, but it will take time.

According to Jerry's physician, Dr. Randy Baker, "Jerry Garcia's health
peroblems are primarily chronic rather than acute.  He has some lung disease
related to years of smoking and this has put some stress on his heart, which
has become slightly enlarged.  He does not have and has not had fluid in the
lungs or kidney failure, and he did not suffer from a collapse.  He does
have borderline diabetes, which should resolve with weight loss.  His
current problems are being managed with mild medication and he is at home
and experiencing no discomfort.  Jerry has agreed to a program of stopping
smoking, losing weight, exercise and dietary changes.  As this is
accomplished he should regain good health and continue performing for many
years."

 We realize that this comes as very disturbing news for many people, so let
 us be clear: he IS ill, but the right steps are being taken.

 As Grateful Dead bassist Phil Lesh commented, "I talked to Elvis this
 morning myself and he said they already have too many guitarists up there,
 and he also doesn't need any competition in the postage stamp market."  More
 seriously, Lesh added, "We expect to be performing with Jerry before the
 end of the year even though right now he's dead tired."

 Thank you for your love and prayers.

 Best,

 Grateful Dead
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:40:21 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Deep thoughts

This is probally crazy to you, but it makes me wonder, maybe someone has
a explanation i can understand. There are artist's who are the tops at
what they do like miles,coltrane,Jimi.......etc different styles pretty
much have "the player" of that style, then why do we listen to others when
we can listen to the top player? If you drive a Jag you don't really have
the desire to drive a chevy some days (i guess, i've never had a Jag) If
your coffee maker, vacumn cleaner, air conditioner...etc are pleasing
you and the best you can get you don't change it just for variety why do
we treat music differently? Is it because we need a different feel when
listening to jazz and miles/coltrane can't provide it, any thoughts i understan
d we may prefer a different style/mood but do we always pick the top of that st
yle why????. I know what your thinking, but know i haven't found any
peyote buttons
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:01:17 PST
From:         FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: cage is dead
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Jeff --

> And this is from someone who would want to play in the Dave Clark Five?
> Talk about deadsville.   Do you still get their albums free with 20
> gallons of Purple Martin Ethyl?

         Yes.


> Cage's music is not going to be entertaining on a mass level,  but he
> pushed forth some notions on art and music that people are not going to
> ignore.  I think once the genie is out of the bottle, it has already
> made an influence from which there is no going back.

          I remember once sitting in front of a piano at aged six,
just staring at at it not knowing what to do with it.  At the time my
body was in harmony with my mind and with the cosmos.  I guess I
could have called the piece I performed then "2 min and 4 sec."  I
was not thinking about his music appealing to the masses, that won't
happen.  I was more concerned about whether his music would even
appeal to anyone within the minimalist school who seem to drop
and pick up their gurus and styles and concepts of music and art
faster than you can blink.

          I still have this feeling that Cage's inluence will go
no further than the twentieth century.  We will be listening to
Part's "Cantus for Benjamin Britten" a lot longer and with more
enthusiasm than Cage's heartening piece on silence.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:18:31 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Warning: one line post
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Tim, there is no such thing as a "stupid question."  Sonia
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Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 11:16:02 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: come monday

In article <9208141247.AA00501@efftoo.boeing.com>, crispen
<crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> says:

>I don't know a single person who believes that, but I may be one of
>our VP's "cultural elites".  Everybody I know thinks the Grammies are
>awarded by a bunch of out-of-touch old people (viz the Jethro Tull affair).

You're probably one of Dannykin's favorites. So am I,as I spell "potato"
without an "e" at the end and don't have a wife who co-writes bad espionage
novels... >:)

Incidentally,I didn't say that _everybody_ believes the Grammy BS machine.
Enough do,however,to insure that a ton of TV-drugged mopes will give this
overrated beauty contest the ratings it truly doesn't deserve,members of the
"cultural elite" such as myself excepted,of course.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:20:50 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Help me create a FAQ file
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David said:

> Most of the topics lately have been excellent. Is this the Renaissance period
> of ALLMUSIC?
>
> ;-) where applicable.

That explains my sudden urge to tackle a minstrel, beat on his tabor and wrap
my lips around his crumhorn...  :)

Luv,
Mistress of Sir Likes-a-lot
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:53:39 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: John Cage vs. My Sister
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              Beer" at Aug 17, 92 5:24 pm

What's the name of the video?  sounds good!  I really like Kirk, and by the
way, did you know he grew up in...yep, Columbus, Ohio!

(so did Nancy Wilson)

(there's one more if I could think who it is... )

I don't have time right now to think out a reasonable reply, and personally I'm
not sure which side of the vs. I stand on re: Cage, but I think he's a genuine
and sincere musician worth dwelling on in any case.

I will have to print out your post and ponder it, because I know I do have
something to say... Later, Sonia
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Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 17:24:21 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: come monday

In article <ALLMUSIC%92081114352425@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>,
HELP%Help%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU says:

>Rick --  Who died and left you boss of this list...  If you don't like what
>other people have to discuss then maybe you should signoff the list.

Ever heard of Email? I hear it's a wonderful way of conveying 2 LINE MESSAGES
so that the rest of the list/netgroup doesn't have to scan through all these
2 LINE MESSAGES when they're looking for posts to reply to.

O.M.C.: Since one of my least favorite "musicians"-Michael Bolton-is coming
to Chi-town to howl in his usual castrato fashion, I'd like to know if any-
body has info concerning that lawsuit one of the Isley Brothers filed con-
cerning his rip of "Love Is a Beautiful Thing". If he hasn't settled out of
court,does anybody know (A) when the case is supposed to happen and (B)
what the stakes (as in the amount of $ being sued for) are?

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 17:04:33 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: come monday

In article <ALLMUSIC%92081308132510@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>,
AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU says:

>I think the music industry can tell who is lip-sync and who isn't.

Nope. If they could,they wouldn't've given the Hans and Franz version of the
Brothers' Brothers the awards.

I mean,are _all_ record execs dense? Dudes with heavy German accents singing
ing in American accents? Don't get me wrong-it's not impossible,merely far-
fetched.

(I seem to recall that the lead screecher for the Scorpions was very adept at
 pulling that accent trick off,but he can be considered the rare exception
 as far as that's concerned....)

>Besides; if there anyone who is still lip-sync it is not
>Country Music singers or Billy Rae.

This misses the point. Lip-syncing (and the Grammy bigwig commitee's ability
to be hoodwinked by it) isn't the ultimate problem. The problem lies with the
fact that the Grammies are somehow perceived by large portions of the populace
(at least those who tend to believe a lot of the dross that gets on TV) to be
an award based on genuine talent and/or originality instead on how many records
get sold or who's considered more acceptable to the record biz wizards who
mold the industry's output. This is proven by the fact that no-I repeat,_no_-
releases on independent labels get taken seriously or even get nominated. It
could be said that this is an indication that "The Industry"'s execs are making
a political statement of sorts (i.e.,"bands or artists signed to indie labels
are not good enough to belong on our oh-so-artistically-pure major labels,so
they won't be up for awards-unless they sign to one of our labels,of course"),
but that's merely a subjective opinion,even if I happen to think it's a truth-
ful one.

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      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:32:40 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION
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Just to let all those interested in 'improv' & 'networking' know... issue
number 6 of my little 'zine, "Improvijazzation Nation" is ready for release!

Interviews with Geoff Wall (of Stick It In Yer Ear 'zine in England) & super-
blooz guitarist Bob Bunce are featured... tunz of reviews by ZZAJ, Jim Rite
& Henry Schneider (Poly 800 Users Group) are featured too!  In fact, there's
even a review of th' Bloomster's "Urban Ambience" tape in there.

It's only $1.50 (or 5 $.29 stamps).  NO trades for the 'zine, tho' I do SOME
trades for several of my ZZAJ tapes!

For more info, either separate E-Mail, or order from:

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:40:05 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      re: WHERE y'ALL AT
              13 Aug 1992 09:57:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

I'm not real sure how to bunch up replies would like some help in that
area and alos how to include parts of post that i won't to reply to
and etc....., however if i understand flameing it's just some fool
talking all big & bad and trying to insult me but i have new for you
I'm 32 yrs old i've been flamed quite a few times in my life and there's
not a thing anyone of the "superior-than-thou" netters can do to hurt
my feelings or get my dander up because i'll be right back in your face
but i enjoy the group and won't to obey the rules (i'm a republican)
so if you want to practice flaming you've got my address ,,,,humor me
Ists024@uabdpo
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:25:47 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Jazz Beginner
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              Gelinas" at Aug 18, 92 2:21 pm

>
> I think therein lies your problem.  Although jazz can be a technical thing,
> with definite scales, etc., the soul of jazz is freedom, freedom to express
> the sounds in your head.  Books, etc. aren't the way to release that.  What
> you need to do is to play along with some jazz albums, to get the feel, to

Russ's advice is great (and who am I to give advice on jazz) but I do want to
add one P.S. to what Russ says above: DON'T BE AFRAID TO MAKE MISTAKES!!!! OF
SOUNDING STUPID!!!! OF GOOFING UP!!!!  This will help your playingmore than
ANYTHING else--you have to switch out of the perfectionistic mode (I don't mean
you personally are perfectionistic--I think we all are): but classical
training can really get you hung up on perfectionism (e.g. Tim... sorry,
couldn't help it, I try not to flame) (and so can hanging out with
musicians generally).  Yes, I believe in perfection, high standards, all of it,
but only after you've proven your humanity by making mistake after mistake
after mistake and just getting on with it, not getting hung up on it or
thinking you're a lousy musician--TAKE RISKS! PASS NO JUDGMENTS ON YOURSELF!
There is only one way to play music and to *improve* as a musician (I'm NOT
preaching in favor of being sloppy or lousy in case any of you are jumping to
your keyboards to attack): the only way to play is to do it because you love
it, enough to forgive yourself for not being as good as you'd like to be, and
just HANGING IN, HANGING IN, HANGING IN.  sorry if I  sound too excited about
this--it's one of my hot topics (as you may guess, I have a hard time
living up to my own words--I find my own musical clumsiness quite frustrating,
but damn I love this music and I just keep going...)  Report to us on your
progress--I'd like to know how you do.  Sonia "capital letters" K.
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