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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Sony Mini CD or Philips DCC format for computer DATA?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:29:12 GMT

<FWR100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <IBE1109.92Dec16134212@etbsun1.draper.com>, ibe1109@draper.com (Ira
>Ekhaus) says:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>my local audio store says that the new Sony miniCD holds 74 minutes
>>of stereo audio and can be RECORDED onto.
>>
>>Now for 16 bit stereo  audio without compression that's
>>74*60*44100*2*2 =    783 216 000
>>take into account compression factor of (~10) and we're
>>still talking over 70 Mbytes with a respectable transer rate.
>>The DCC's numbers are probably pretty similar.
>>
>>Does anyone know of plans to use this format as a backup or
>>distribution format for computer data?
>>It seems like a good idea, what's up?

>First, as far as I know, _no_ compression is used on audio CD's.  It's really
>700+ MB.   Since current audio CD's are approximately as long and CD-ROMs hold
>620+ MB formatted, these numbers seem about right.

>I haven't heard any announcements for a computer product usind the mini-CDs
>but I'd be shocked if this isn't on the shelves by next Christmas.  The prices
>I've heard were (correct me if I'm wrong) $750 for the the recorder/player and
>$16 per disk.  If you're using this with a computer, you can remove the
>digitizing equipment (44KHz 16 bit stereo ADC) and replace it with a SCSI
>interface.   Add $250 because it's a computer product, so for $1000 you've got
>a 600MB storage device.  That's $1.66/MB for the first 600MB, 2.6 cents per MB
>afterwards.

The audio MD is compressed quite a bit, so I imagine there's only room on the
disk for perhaps 100Mb of data, but still 100Mb for $16 isn't bad.
From: gary.chan@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Gary Chan) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: OPTI owners, detail t
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: gary.chan@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Gary Chan) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics - Vancouver B.C. - (604)986-9937 (604)255-9937

Fornax@bigwpi.wpi.edu (ps to All on 12-14-92 All about Re: OPTI owners, 
detail t

F(>From: fornax@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Psychadelic Dan!)
F(>Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
F(>Subject: Re: OPTI owners, detail the specifics...
F(>Message-ID: <FORNAX.92Dec11214521@bigwpi.WPI.EDU>
F(>Date: 11 Dec 92 21:45:21
F(>Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
F(>
F(>
F(>	Well, I have a 486/33 EISA machine with the OPTI chipset, and
F(>I've been using the PAS16 for quite some time without any
F(>difficulties.  I have a DTC3280A SCSI controller with a Maxtor
F(>LXT-213SY drive, and I've done quite a bit of stereo 44.1kHz sampling
F(>with my PAS16, and I haven't come across any DMA or timing problems at
F(>all.  :-)

I believe most of the problems with OPTI chipset are related to the ISA 
based motherboards.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: alpha@vpnet.chi.il.us (Randy Sales)
Subject: Hard to find home automation stuff?
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:47:36 GMT

If you are looking for home automation equipment, I have already done the leg
work.  Drop me a note if you need some help.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dlvk1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (david.l.van kampen)
Subject: CDC 40 and 80 Mbyte Drives
Keywords: CDC Drives, 94216, 94205, Characteristics
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:38:00 GMT

Help!  I've just come across two CDC half-height hard disks.  One is CDC
model # 94216-106 and the other is # 94205-51.  I believe one is a 40 Mbyte
and the other is an 80 Mbyte.  Unfortunately, I don't have any paper work
on either one.  Could someone please email the characteristics of each drive
so I could install them and setup the CMOS RAM properly?  My CMOS requires
the number of cylinders, number of heads, Write Precomp (if any), Landing
Zone and number of sectors.  Also are they both MFM or is the 94216-106,
the 80 Mbyte, ESDI?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

-Dave Van Kampen
 ihlpm!dlvk1
 AT&T Bell Laboratories
 Naperville, Il 
 (708) 979-7134

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)
Subject: Re: Cache-controllers any good? -> was:Are Cache-controllers rubbish?
Summary: Cached disk controller comments
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:44:13 GMT
Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: disk cache controller scsi ide

In article <1992Dec16.112753.334@csghsg5a.bitnet> lmebold@csghsg5a.bitnet writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.165108.1521@cs.unca.edu>, boyd@cs.unca.edu (Mark Boyd) writes:
>> Is "rubbish" the new buzz word used by folks who don't have the
>> foggiest idea what they are talking about? What with "is AMD rubbish"
>> [STUFF DELETED]
>>
>> sense, in your choice of words. AMD is one of the most successful chip
>> makers around and cache controllers are definitely here to stay.
>> Rubbish is simply not an appropriate word to describe either of these
>[ ... ]
>
>I heard that cache-controllers may have problems with
>new operating systems (e.g. OS/2: it can even be slower
>with a cache on the controller). I'm on the way to buy
>an EISA-SCSI-II-hostadaptor and want to run it with WindowsNT
>[REMAINDER DELETED]

I'm using as my primary disk controller the Promise Technology DC-2040.
The controller appears as a regular IDE controller (Winchester compatible),
but is actually a cached-SCSI controller.  In fact, you can even run
in 32-bit fastdisk-mode under Windows 3.1.  I currently have 1MB on mine
though it is expandable to 16MB.

In short, I like it.  I don't use any kind of software cacheing (thereby
preserving my system RAM) and my performance is EXCELLENT.  Because my
primary use is currently database (FoxPro 2.0) under DOS, I chose a
cached controller.

If I originally set forth to run under a REAL operating system
(ie. OS/2, UNIX, etc.), I'd have to do some more research.  Ideally,
the thought of having the management of cacheing handled completely
by another processor under OS/2 or UNIX is quite appealing to me
as long as you were able to "tune" the operating system to work
nicely with it.  REAL operating systems have enough to deal with --
why not offload some work to another processor?  I would hazard the
opinion that there must be some flavor of UNIX or file system available
for UNIX which would have some kind of tunable for specifying cache
sizes, enable/disable, etc.

As for OS/2, "Promise Technology" stated (a few weeks ago) that they had 
a BETA version of an OS/2 2.0 driver for their cached-controller.  I need
to give them a ring and see how that's coming...

Disclaimer:  I have no affiliation with Promise Technology other than
being a happy owner of their disk controller...your milage may vary...

Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author
and shall NOT be miscontrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: P5 v. PowerPC (WAS: Where the mac really wins)
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:21:46 GMT

In article <BzBFv7.ErD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>In article <WAGNER.92Dec10161223@grace.math.uh.edu>
>wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) writes:
>
>>I sure hope the PowerPC won't have to use IBM `Power'-style
>>memory boards.  Those things cost an arm and a leg!
>
>Is this supposed to be a flame against PCs and Clones? If so its
>a little off-base. Most current PS/2s and clones can take 32 or
>64 Meg in SIMMs on the motherboard.
>
No it is not a flame against PCs and clones, you paranoid. He is talking
about the memory boards for RS/6000 workstations. Indeed the things cost a
bomb, but look what they give you---each 32bits is actually 40 bits of
hardware. These 40 bits provide error-correction and detection---I think
they can correct two-bit failtures in the 32bits and detect three-bit
failtures. They also have logic to maks out the bad bits and keep on going
with the good ones. Beats the hell out pathetic parity RAM.

Right now many people think this is over-kill, but with RAM/machine growing
and the individual components of the RAM shrinking so that they are more
susceptible to being screwed up by cosmic rays and enviromental
radiocativity, it's going to become more important. My guess would be that
it may be an option for "server" class machine initially, and will start to
move into personal machine when these are routinely holding 64MB or more.

Maynard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: fsaleem@admiral.uucp (Farzan Saleem)
Subject: Gateway 386/33C and Windows UAE problem!!
Reply-To: fsaleem@admiral.uucp (Farzan Saleem)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:33:39 GMT

Greetings, all. I have a Gateway 2000 386/33 Cache running 
MS Windows 3.1 with Norton Desktop as the shell and Qemm 6 
as the memory manager. 
 
It seems that almost every time that I use windows, I get 
atleast one UAE in the middle of something. The most common
one is NDW (or some other program) violated system integrity
or some program caused a General Protection Fault Error in
Kernel....
 
Anyone know if this has something to do with the system, 
or is Windows just that unstable.
 
Thanks for all your help,
 
FS!
 


  Sender:    Farzan Saleem                                     
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: jlloyd@adapcal.UUCP (John Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542B Question
Organization: Adaptec Inc., California
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1992 16:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec5.174057.9886@udel.edu> palmer@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Scott Palmer) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if the Adaptec 1542B can support SCSI hard drives
>larger than 1 gig ?  I know that Adaptec makes the 154XB, is that the
>card you must have to use > 1 gig drives ?  Thanks for any info...
> 
There is a firmware and BIOS upgrade for the 1542B that will allow
support of drives greater than 1 GB. The image files are available on
our BBS (408) 945-7727.

John
From: smahn@vx.cis.umn.edu (Seokmin Ahn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: HELP : EMM386.exe problem with 2 hard disks
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:44:07 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A74E3E3B7001C368@me51-3-104.me.umn.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:46:51 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11

Hi! netters,

I have installed 2nd hard disk on my 386sx mahcine (Pheonix BIOS
 if matters).  After installing the drive, I can't install emm386.  The
system
hangs as soon as the emm386.exe is reached in config.sys.  The LED of 
the floppy disk drive stays on and that's about it.

The controller is RLL and has its own BIOS.  Without emm386.exe,
everything works fine.

Any help?

Thank you.
From: garion@selway.umt.edu (Jason Curnow)
Subject: Re: Internal 14.4K Modems
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:50:58 GMT

In article <BzD405.3Bq@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dherman@cape.UWaterloo.ca (Dennis Herman) writes:
>I have done a bit of homework on the 14.4K FAX/modem business and came up
>with a Zoom 14.4K S/R Internal Fax Modem. It is priced about 10% higher
>than the Boca but does come with a buffered 16550A UART and some reasonabl
>software (MTEZ (Telix look alike) and WinFAX lite). Zoom's stuff appears  
>to be as hardy as the big names USR and Practical Peripherals but doesn't
>put much into marketing. PC Magazine wrote up a good review on a large
>number of V32bis modems and I think Zoom was hard to beat for the price. 
>They come with a 7 year warranty ( who knows what you will be using in 
>7 years ). I haven't had a single problem with it and have used it alot 
>for communications and FAXes.                     
>
>If you are looking for trouble free high speed communications under     
>Windows you'll be lookin' a long time. Because of windows cooperative 
>multitasking and the some of the poor device drivers,interrupts can be
>turned off for more than 4 milliseconds. The buffer on the 16550A is only
>16 bytes or about 4 milliseconds long at high communications speeds. 
>THerefore you will more often than not run into data overrun problems
>at high speeds under Windows. Best to compress the files at the source
>or transfer pre ZIPped files. Anything over 1100 char/sec under windows
>seems to cause retries using Zmodem on a 33 Mhz 486. Better yet do your
>high speed data transfers under DOS. 

That's funny..  I have no problems doing z-modem and/or ymodem-g transfers
within Windows.  I regularly get 1500+ cps transferrs without retries
or errors.  I'm using a Digicom Scout Plus (A great modem for the money!),
and Procomm for Windows.  I've even transferred some text files and gotten
very high throughput (Can't remember the exact number) without any retries.
The Digicom has a built-in 16550 UART (of which flavor I am not sure..).
Always has worked great!

- Jason
-- 
- Jason Curnow                       University of Montana
  garion@selway.umt.edu              CIS Consulting
  con_jpc@lewis.umt.edu              (406) 243-2974, LA 40

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: maynard@selway.umt.edu (Robert L Maynard)
Subject: Re: Amiga now kicks PC butt - no way.
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Summary: OH - BOY, MORE flame wars, can get caught up on my reading :-)
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:24:25 GMT


Have been away from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware for a couple of days.  This
group ALWAYS fills fast.  LOTS of catch-up reading to do.  EVERY time I see
oneof the Amiga vs PC vs Mac posts I can hit the "n" key right away !

Get caught up on my reading in no time at all :-)

Thanks guys !

Bob
From: 93gke@williams.edu (oldwanda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: The Best system!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 21:03:28 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu

In article <Dec.11.13.46.41.1992.8023@pilot.njin.net> hardgrov@pilot.njin.net (Roy Hardgrove) writes:
>1). The Cyrix CPU cost little more than the 486SX chip yet I expect it
>will yield significantly better performance over the SX.  The Cyrix
>does take advantage of the 486 reduced instruction set.  Plus you can
>pick them  up for about $360.00 on a multiboard!

Cyrix uses a 1K internal cache. Intel uses an 8K cache.
An upgradeable 486 board w/ SX costs less than a "multiboard" w/ Cyrix.

>reaches the best new solution:  The DX2-100 will be readily
>installable on the multiboard since it is configured to handle the
>Intel 486DX-50 chip.

There won't be a DX2-100. Too hot. Forget 50Mhz motherboards, you
don't need them. Go directly to 66-DX2 with a 33Mhz board.

>3). I was intrigued by Local Bus, but have finally decided that as
>fads come and go, ISA will always be around (at least for the next five
>years).

That doesn't mean it's better.
Anyway, Local Bus motherboards have plenty of ISA slots. And they are
only $100 more. If you use windows, its worth it.

>On my 386/40 which has the AMI bios, I have my Clk2 (which
>controls the bus speed) set at 20Mhz--reliably!!  

Try going at 33Mhz like local bus does.

>drive which I bought from HITECH (1(800) 922-2554) for $299.00 for the
>drive (210MB Rodime--new!!!!!)

This can't be right.

>...  Please remember however, this is my
>opinion and you are certainly entitled to yours.  

Why thank you!


93gke@cs.williams.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: u1733@cs.uiuc.edu (Ching Tai)
Subject: Question on the Pro Audio Spectrum Plus's SCSI interface *?*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:21:56 GMT

Hi,	I'm wondering if the SCSI interface on the Pro Audio Spectrum 
Plus is a standard SCSI interface, i.e. can I hang a hard drive, etc.
off of it?

	Has anyone done it?


Thanks,
Ching Tai
email ching-tai@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Sony Mini CD or Philips DCC format for computer DATA?
Supersedes: <92351.152201FWR100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:42:38 EST
From: <FWR100@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <IBE1109.92Dec16134212@etbsun1.draper.com>, ibe1109@draper.com (Ira
Ekhaus) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>my local audio store says that the new Sony miniCD holds 74 minutes
>of stereo audio and can be RECORDED onto.
>
>Now for 16 bit stereo  audio without compression that's
>74*60*44100*2*2 =    783 216 000
>take into account compression factor of (~10) and we're
>still talking over 70 Mbytes with a respectable transer rate.
>The DCC's numbers are probably pretty similar.
>
>Does anyone know of plans to use this format as a backup or
>distribution format for computer data?
>It seems like a good idea, what's up?

{ corrections added due to E-Mails from people who know more than me :-) }

I've been told that both compression and a lower sampling rate are used.
Anybody know what the sampling rate, compression, and # of bits are?
OPINION: Anything less than 16bit, 30KHz, 2:1 compression would really _suck_
for audio purposes, so I'll assume that from here on out.

Stereo, 16 bit, 74 minute, 30kHz, 2:1 compression = 266 MB say 240 formatted

I haven't heard any announcements for a computer product usind the mini-CDs
but I'd be shocked if this isn't on the shelves by next Christmas.  The prices
I've heard were (correct me if I'm wrong) $750 for the the recorder/player and
$16 per disk.  If you're using this with a computer, you can remove the
digitizing equipment (fairly expensive) and replace it with a SCSI
interface.   Add $250 because it's a computer product, so for $1000 you've got
a 240MB storage device.  That's $4.17/MB for the first 240MB, 6.7 cents per MB
afterwards.The initial cost is high, but the cheap media makes up for it.

I've been told that the media can be re-written about 10 million times before
wearing out.  That shouldn't be too much of a problem for this type of disk -
it will be slower than a hard drive, so you're not going to use it for very
disk intensive apps (no Windows swapfile here).  The directory track will be
subject to wear, but 10 million is a lot of changes.

Once again, anyone with different information, please correct me.

-Frank
From: hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Bus def's ==> Re: EISA vs. ISA (& VESA, VL-bus, Local bus)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:07:41 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research Company

In article <1992Dec11.203408.10688@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|> In <8673@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz) writes:
|> 
|> >|> While we are at the subject, could some one please tell us all,
|> >|> what are the differences between 
|> >|> 	* ISA         (the mormal 386 type bus, right?)
|> >|> 	* EISA        (extended ISA, 32 bit, look like IAS but twice
|> >|>                        longer right?)
|> >|> 	* VL-bus      (differnt type of expansion slot, looks all
|> >|>                        diferent, much smaller than ISA, connected to the
|> >|>                        CPU directly, good for video cards, or is it VESA?)
|> >|> 	* Local Bus   (?)
|> >|> 	* VESA        (?^10)
|> 
|> >EISA is a new Extended ISA bus. It is 32 bits wide and runs at 33 mhz, 
|> >I think. This bus should be 32 * 33 / ( 16 * 8) or about 8 times faster
|> >than the ISA bus. I don't know what cards are available but ISA is 
|> >compatible with this bus though is halves the bus speed. Don't know what
|> >that does to cards expecting an 8 Mhz bus.
|> 
|> People keep asking this question, and people keep getting it wrong.
|> EISA runs at ***8.33*** MHz.  It will transfer at FOUR times the speed
|> 

It appears that, usually, when someone asks a reasonable question, he
gets no responses. I've asked several and got little or nothing in return.
The most is usually a few asking me to send on replies if I get them.
I found that I can learn much more by answering a question, even if
I know the answer is wrong. I know that someone will correct me and I
can take the median of the answers and the true answer. Try calling
several vendors and ask them the same question and see if you get the
same answer. I've been corrected on this twice now so the EISA bus
speed seems to be 8.33 mhz. As for local bus at 50 Mhz, there still 
seems to be questions if the bus can still be called VESA. It doesn't
really matter. 

For those who took the time to correct me, thank you. I've learned
something and will be able to ask more intelligent questions when
I go and buy a system this weekend. 

I still have questions on EISA vs ISA, local bus or not. I won't ask
them here, because after today it'll be too late to change. 
Unless they have a 30 day money back guarantee.
-- 

======================
Bill Volz
Chevron Oil Field Research Co.
Exploration Research/Geophysics Division.
P.O. Box 446, La Habra, CA 90633-0446
Phone: (310) 694-9340
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: External case for devices (SCSI)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:59:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bz9GMn.6H5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
>From article <104479@bu.edu>, by edwong@bu.edu (Edward Wong):
>> Does anyone know where I can get external case for some SCSI devices?  I am
>> going to buy a new SCSI drive, and I am also running out of drive bay, so I
>> am thinking of buying external cases. Thanks.

>Buy a cheap case/power-supply combo.  Better yet, buy a humongous tower
>case and transfer your system into it.

>When I've asked various vendors about an 'external SCSI case' they've
>always come back with a price in the 200$ range, which is more than
>enough to buy a deluxe tower/PS combo.
>--
It's a lot cheaper than that straight out of the JDR Enterprises catalog.
They advertise frequently in the Computer Shopper.
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chiu@alumni.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Diamond's new motherboard?
Summary: Diamond's VESA local bus MB
Originator: chiu@alumni
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:19:07 GMT

In article <TIBBS.92Dec12015019@karazm.math.uh.edu> tibbs@math.uh.edu (Jason L Tibbitts III) writes:
>In this month's Computer Shopper, Cornell Computers is advertising (page
>108) systems based on the new Diamond VESA local bus ISA motherboard.  They
>don't quote specs on the board except to mention Flash BIOS and 128 MB of
>total ram.  Does anyone have any more information on the board?  I'm
>assuming that it's not available yet.

It isn't available yet, and it's based on C&T's chip set. Second hand source
indicated that it's not expected to become available until at least late
first quarter of 1993. Again, since this info is second hand, do take it with
a grain of salt.

BTW, I think they were showing  it at the past comdex...

>BTW, the advertised packages are really attractive, costing by my estimate
>over $500 less that a comparable Gateway system.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: reggie@sansyr.psy.syr.edu (Reginald J. Roberts)
Subject: Diamond Speedstar 24 vs Diamond Stealth
Reply-To: reggie@sansyr.psy.syr.edu