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From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina)
Subject: Re: Oh No (ok, people, that's enough fanfare ;-))
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:10:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.175903.9815@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:

>Now, maybe Manish Vij will find out what things were like in SCIA.
>What, with Purna, Trina and all of Alok's deputies doing double
>time here in ACUA-I!

I do believe I was never one of Alok's deputies; goodness forbid
I should ever be.

>And of course, welcome back Trina!

Why thank you but such fanfare is really unnecessary. :)

>(But, Trina wasn't here when ACUA-I was formed, was she?)

Nope, thank goodness.

Manish writes:
>(But, Trina wasn't here when ACUA-I was formed, was she?)

But I thought that's why ACUA-I was formed, to get away from Trina...
wasn't it?
;-)

Whah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ouch.  That one really hurt.
(NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

:):):):):):):)

Laterz,
trina

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From: soam@cs.cornell.edu (Soam Acharya)
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:43:36 GMT

In article <bjag-280892142022@owl.ls.nwu.edu> Bharathi Jagadeesh writes:

	Anyway, do many indian-americans really go into law?


I believe I mentioned this here before: I don't think many IAs do.  Let me
rephrase it a little differently:  yesterday, I went to a Law school
party meant for entering Cornell Law School students.  You may ask, why a 
lowly engineer like me would get asked to a party like this in the first 
place?  Frankly, I was a little bamboozled myself.  It turned out that I was 
to meet a IA girl who was getting tired of the fact that there were precious 
few IAs in the law school here ( and she was in her third year! ).

The case at other Universities may well be different.

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From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: SCAA & Caucasian
Organization: -
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:50:07 GMT


>              Consequently, when a friend of mine from Singapore called
> me caucasian last year, I was horrified.  I felt as if somebody had called
> me whitewashed, or a coconut ;).

I heard the term 'banana' from a chinese friend of mine twelve years ago.
Ever since I have wondered if there was a similar term for Indians who pretend
they are not Indians. 'Coconut' fits that description very well.  Thanks.
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From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer)
Subject: Re: Indian/Indian-American communication
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 00:45:04 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

For those of you who remember me from 6 weeks ago.  I'm back!  I had a
wonderful vacation in Pakistan.

In article Serge writes:

|> When I talk with IIs, I find myself going into this "Indian-mode."  This
|> not only includes a change in language, but also cultural
|> thinking (is the best way I can describe it).  Is this true for
|> any other IAs out there?  I think about things is a totally different
|> way than an American would.  In fact, in initial meetings, I am sometimes
|> mistaken to be an II.  Maybe its silly, but I find it irritating to talk
|> to IIs in English (instead of Bengali).  I feel that English is
|> pretty inadequate to *really* say what I am thinking.  Sometimes, the
|> conversation is forced to be in English because of non-bengalis.
|> Am I the only one like this?


No, not at all!!  Most of my desi friends are not american-born but have come
from the sub-continent for work or school.  I almost instantaneously revert to
desi mode when I am with them.  But then suddenly if I'm confronted with an
amrikan I switch to Amrikan mode.  It's almost schizo, but it's not, cause
somehow it all makes sense to me.  Many of them can do this to some extent as
well, but  for me it comes automatically.  I don't do it because I want to be
understood by my friends, but because that's how we all converse with each
other.  That's the mode and way of thinking.  Sometimes when a mixed group of
american-born and II's are together I somehow mesh the two modes.  It's weird. 

Of course, this all comes from the fact that I lived in Pakistan for high
school, but it still remains with me 4 years after leaving.  Also, I'm sure 
most of our parents ALWAYS mixed English and their native tongue during their
everyday conversation.  That sure helped me find a foundation for mixing them
for myself.

Another point:

|> In the reverse situation (me speaking Bengali in India), I often interrupt
|> the conversation to ask the meaning but I usually incur some ridicule for
|> it.  

I also incur ridicule too, but now I keep at it.  I really get annoyed at the
way I get laughed at, but I find it's the only way I can keep learning more.


--saeed jaffer        
saeed@watson.ibm.com  
saeed@athena.mit.edu  


			
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From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: desi names
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:37:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.005557.15643@watson.ibm.com> saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:
>To continue this discussion about desi names, do any of you who have somewhat
>of a Hindu background find Muslim names difficult to pronounce and become
>accustomed to?
 No problem pronouncing the Muslim names of Indian Subcontinent but, I
do have problem pronouncing the Muslim names of other countries. For
instance, one of my friend from Turkey, Ugor Koyloyglu.I believe, the
problem is not with religion but with region.

(Stuff Deleated to save band width)

>-- 
>--saeed jaffer        
>saeed@watson.ibm.com  
>saeed@athena.mit.edu  
>
regards,
-Saumyen
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Oh No, Mr. Billlllllllll...........!!!!!!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:59:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug25.161339.9332@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>Trina:
>>>I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccck!!!!!!
>
>Purna:
>>what has this world come to!!??  mass pandemonium!  seas boiling!
>>dogs and cats living together!!!  what next???!!!!

Raghavan:
>Alok saying something (anything) polite to Trina!
>Raghavan

What a way to welcome someone!

Now, maybe Manish Vij will find out what things were like in SCIA.
What, with Purna, Trina and all of Alok's deputies doing double
time here in ACUA-I!

And of course, welcome back Trina!
(But, Trina wasn't here when ACUA-I was formed, was she?)

Sthan.
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From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Subject: Re: Indian/Indian-American communication
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:22:00 GMT

Kris Popat (popat@image.mit.edu) wrote:
: 
: Hi Folks,
: 
: I'd like to start a discussion about any barriers that might exist to
: effective verbal communication between people who grew up in India and
: Indian-descended people who grew up in the U.S.
: 
: What barriers exist, and how might they be overcome?
: 
: Below is an observation I've made to get the discussion going; I'll
: chime in with more as the thread develops.  Perhaps we could adopt the
: following abbreviations for the purpose of this discussion: II =
: Indian-raised; IA = Indian-descended and American-raised.
: 
:     Usually there is considerable cultural common ground between II's and
:     IA's (at least in the sense that both groups posess a great deal of
:     knowledge about the other's primary culture).  Also, understanding of
:     pronounciation is usually not a problem, as both groups have been
:     sufficiently exposed to each other's pronounciation to get pretty good
:     at understanding it.  However, these advantages, along with the
     I haven't found pronounciation to have been a major problem when
I have talked to any IA's...

:     visual cue of "talking with another Indian," might lead to
:     overconfidence in communicating -- members of both groups forget they
:     are talking to a person of a different culture, and hence aren't as
:     careful or patient in expressing themselves.
 No, Strongly disagree. I'd talk to any IA the same way i would with any
 American, Pole or Oriental. I don't think I have ever used "The talking
with another Indian " style. The only time I'd ever use a talking with another
Indian style would be with a close friend, whom I'd be certain is an II. usually
such conversations end up in the native lingo if possible. In my case it is
usually true as i understand and speak 5-6 Indian languages well...
I don't agree that we II's have any overconfidence in communicating that
would lead to us not "getting the point across, Loud and clear"...
One more thing worth mentioning here is that i don't think that such a vast
cultural difference usually exists. At least not in my age group. Maybe it
will arise in future generations....
Srinath
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From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Subject: Re: Oh No (ok, people, that's enough fanfare ;-))
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:16:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.221738.24466@Princeton.EDU> sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.204311.25647@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>>
>(Stuff Deleated)
>>
>>Purna, you have been replaced by 'debchat' as the latest victim of name 
>>confusion, though it has been a few months since Alok called you, a 'she'.
>>Recently someone on s.c.i. asked if Deb Chatterjee (Yes, *the* debchat
>          ^^^^^^^
>         This someone is definitely not a BENGALI!! BTW, is 'DEB' a
>female name in any part of India? I sincerely doubt it.

But keep in mind that there are many Indians with American names or
nicknames.  My family is Catholic, so I was baptised with a saint's
name - two of them, in fact. :-)  Indians call me by my Indian name,
Americans by my Americans, and netters et al by my nickname...mass 
confusion! :-)

So it's understandable that someone might assume Deb was short for 
Deborah.

 - Mary Anne Amirthi Mohanraj (aka Kateri :-)


>>Regards,
>>Raghavan
>-Saumyen



-- 
The autumn leaves are falling like rain.
Although my neighbors are all barbarians,
And you, you are a thousand miles away,
There are always two cups at my table.		 - A T'ang Dynasty poem
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Oh No, Mr. Billlllllllll...........!!!!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:23:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.175903.9815@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
> 
> Now, maybe Manish Vij will find out what things were like in SCIA.
> What, with Purna, Trina and all of Alok's deputies doing double
> time here in ACUA-I!
> 

Hey, I got no deputies.  Wouldn't mind a few though.

> 
> Sthan.

Alok
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Friendships
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:08:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

>  This is so:
> 	- because, before you can make choices, you need, not only standards, 
> 	  but also "facts." And collecting facts about fellow human beings 
> 	  ain't a trivial task. To be without prejudice, bias.... you should 
> 	  listen and observe and spend time to know a spectrum of
> 	  personalities.
> 	- also because, knowing (preaching) values is much, much easier 
> 	  than practising them. 

Agreed.

> 
> >
> >As long as they are under 18 years of age, their parent's words/decisions
> >should be treated as final because parents are responsible until that age
> >for their children. When the children are 18 or have crossed over 18, their 
> >words/decisions are final as they are responsible for their lives at that 
> >point.
> 
>  Do you mean words/decisions 'about friends' are final? 
>  I fail to understand
>  you. Why should it be final? And what do you mean when you  say "final."
>  Please elaborate. Perhaps, with an example.

What I mean is that when a youngster under 18 is seeing some people
who the parents think are not good influence for him/her, then that youngster
should stop seeing these people. (Parents decision is Final).

If someone has become a legal adult (]8 or over), that person then has full 
rights and responsibilities of an adult.

Adults are suppposed to be responsible for their lives and should have the 
freedom to make choices as they see appropriate. Friends are also chosen.
An adult's choice of friends may not be to the liking of his/her parents.
Parents should make their objections known preferably with reasons. If the 
adult still decides to continue seeing these 'friends', then the parents 
should yield.  (Adult's decision is Final).

> 
> T.Y.
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> tyadav@athena.mit.edu

Alok
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From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Subject: Re: Asian indian names
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:21:31 GMT

In article <samaddar.715300665@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh) writes:
>
>>Americans don't do a great job of pronouncing some Indian names, but there
>>are some Indian names that are fairly easy for Americans to pronounce and I
>>think there's been a trend to naming American born Indian-american children
>>names like that instead of the harder to pronounce ones. 
>
>Yes, and lately all the new boys that I have seen are "Neel"/"Neil" :-)
>
>Sumitro


Me too ! There seem to be too many young Neel/Neil(s) these days. I'm 
wondering why those of us who have religious reasons for ruling out 
names derived explicitly from the Judaeo-Christian tradition like Mark, 
John, Daniel, and so forth, object also to names like Henry or William
which, although of European origin, have no overt religious significance. 

Another American tradition is to name children after famous personalities
of the past, like George Washington or John Kennedy. When this is followed
children get to keep the last names of the father, or both parents, with 
a  hyphen, perhaps. Alternatively, the entire name of the famous historical 
personage may be retained, God alone knows how many Robert E. Lees there 
are in the South, for example. I don't think many Indian parents are 
following this tradition, but it could certainly help in finding an 
acceptable name without compromising on religious grounds. 

Satyen



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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com (Tittu Mathew)
Subject: When is ONAM ?.
Followup-To: tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:52:35 GMT


	Does anybody out there know when onam is?. The malayalee association
	out here in Huntsville, AL is celeberating onam on Sept 19th, but
	I am sure it is not on that day.
	
Thanks
Tittu Mathew
tittu@tittu.b23b.ingr.com
From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: malayalam movies
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:48:17 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

>  VASTHUHARA :  Mohan Lal, Neena Gupta, Padmini  Dir. Padmarajan
>  SANDESAM :  Jayaram, Srinivasan, Thilagan, Kaviyoor Ponamma, Maadhu Sri
  AANAVAAL MOTHIRAM : Srinivasan
>  IRRIKKU M.D. AGATHUNDU : Mukesh, Siddique, Jagadeesh, Saikumar
>  KOODI KAITCHA:  Jayaram,Jagadeesh, Jagathy, Oorvashi.
>  AHAM : Mohan Lal, Nedumudi Venu, Neena Gupta, Oorvashi, Ramya Krishnan.
> CHANJAATAM : Jayaram, Siddique, Oorvashi
>  Bharatham : Mohan Lal, Nedumudi Venu, Murali, Lakshmi, Oorvashi DiR.Sibi
>                                                                      Malayil
>  NETHIPATTAM: Srinivasan. Rekha, KaviyoorPonamma
>  KAURAVAR: Mamooty, Thilagan, Murali, Vishnu Vardhanan, Anju
>  SANDWANAM:Nedumudi Venu, Murali,Suresh Gopi,Jagathy, Meena, Rekha
>  ARANGU: Thilagan, Sukumaran, SaiKumar, Ashokan, Geetha
>  SATHYAPRTIGNA: Murali, Suresh Gopi, SaiKumar, Jagathy, Oorvashi, Geetha
>  KAAICHAKKAPPURAM: Mukesh, Maamu Koya, Sreeja
>  MAANYANMAAR : Mukesh, Jagathi, Jagadeesh,Srinivasan, Ramya Krishnan
>
>  Well, thats it for now.Do let me know if you want more of this stuff.
                              HAPPY VIEWING.


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Thanks!  Would like to see more this list.

MR
VINOD M PISHARAM,SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM, THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, COLUMBUS.

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From: jsraghav@unity.ncsu.edu (Jayakrishnan S. Raghavan)
Subject: New Movies!!!
Keywords: movies, new
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:43:35 GMT

I saw 'Santhwanam' y'day featuring Nedumudi + misc. actors.  It is a 
Sibi Malayil movie and well directed.  The theme is about a father 
who is estranged from his son, a doctor in the US and the tragedy that
follows, with some interesting humor provided by Mamu Koya + (I don't
know their names).  A film worth watching.

The movie Kamaladalam is a big hit!  I cannot find cassettes of it in
the local store.  It features Lal, some good songs and believe it or not,
Lal dances in the classical style (like Kamal)!

--Jay

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Subject: NEW MALAYALAM JOURNAL FROM NEW DELHI
From: jdavis@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Joseph G Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:02:37 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Keywords: New journal, Malayalam, Kerala
Summary: Informaton reg. a new journal published from Delhi

My brother who teaches at JNU sent me the first issue of a new quarterly
journal in Malayalam published from JNU, New Delhi.  Its title is 
JanaSamskriti and the chief editor is Prof. K.N. Panikkar
with an  Advisory Board that includes Sukumar Azhikode, ONV Kurup, OV Vijayan,
MT Vasudevan Nair, and Sakariya. The first issue ( July-Sept. 1992) has
articles ( including translations) by OV Vijayan, M. Mukundan, Nikhil
Chakravarty, Prabhat Patnaik, V.K. Madhavan Kutty among others. Subscription
is Rs. 30 for a year and Rs. 300 for life if you live abroad for which you may 
contact the Circulation Manager, Janasamskriti, 201 V.P.House, New Delhi-
110001.  The editor Dr. K.N. Panikkar can be reached at 28 New Campus,
JNU, New Delhi 1000067.  I presume he is on email,

-Joseph G. Davis
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From: ins279k@mdw045.cc.monash.edu.au (Martin Halford)
Subject: Re: Beaches to Visit..........
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:35:46 GMT

fsbern8@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ambady Suresh  (Sverdrup)) writes:

>Hi Malayali Netters:
>	It's that sweet time before the visit to India when dreams
>feature many old friends you had forgotten  about.....Has anyone been to 
>Cherthala beach ? I hear that this beach is relatively unspoiled and pristine
>compared to Kovalam where the beach has been taken over by the 5 star hotel
>there. Cheers !, Suresh.

Yeah, it's a pity that that big, cement monstrosity has taken over that end
of Kovalam beach (although, I'd hesitate very much in calling it 5*). You can
get almost the same quality and more cheerful surroundings from one of the many
cheaper hotels down on the other end of the beach. What beach is left, that is,
after the monsoon tides have taken most of the sand away and the restaurants are
piling sand bags infront of there tables.  I never got a chance to visit 
Cherthala beach, where abouts is it? Is it over-run by tourists yet (like I was)
or is it predominantly local??

cheers,
.....martin


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From: gopinr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ravi Shankar Gopinath)
Subject: Re: Beaches to Visit..........
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:01:40 GMT


I visited Chertala beach around 5 years ago - it was truly beautiful then.
I would definitely recommend a visit there.

On an unrelated topic, I have noticed that the wonderful stories that used to
appear during the first few weeks of this group have sadly diminished in 
number.  Having not been to Kerala in a long time, those stories certainly
brought back the memories! Hope our net authors start writing again!

To go unrelated yet again (!) could someone post the recipe for 'kadala
curry' made with black grams (usually had with 'puttu'?)

Cheers,
	Ravi Gopinath

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