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From: lfm54477@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Libor F. Michalek)
Subject: Help: whats the best motherboard for UNIX
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:42:17 GMT

I am about to replace a 486-25MHz ISA motherboard because of damage.
So I was wondering what the best motherboard would be to run AT&T UNIX on.
Mainly I want to know wether I should go with EISA or VL-bus. Also do you
need to get new simms for an EISA motherboard (36 bit simms) or can you
use the standard 9 bit simms that ISA motherboards use.              
Thank you
Libor

e-mail: libor@ncsa.uiuc.edu

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:25:49 GMT

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

>>SCO UNIX costs $1295. Where do I buy the same thing for $431 retail? That is
>>1/3 the cost isn't it?

>Ok Fred, what is IN that SCO Unix which you get for $1295?

An operating system to run whatever application(s) the customer desires for as
many users as he wishes. 

He is not interested in all the neat toys that a Larry or a Karl want to play
with as developers. 

As was pointed out there is no product on the market that can do the same for 
1/3 the cost. The user also has the option to upgrade to an MPX environment as 
his need requires so that he can add even more users. It should be pointed out 
there is no other product that provides the same option.

Fred

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From: kevin@shady.UUCP (Kevin Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Development systems with SVR4
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:57:17 GMT
Organization: ShadeTree Software, Inc.

In article <cbuckley.727490967@unix1.tcd.ie> cbuckley@unix1.tcd.ie (Colm Buckley) writes:
:>
:>I've been using SCO UNIX for quite a while; I find the current release
:>(3.2.4.1) I find to be adequate for my needs, but I'm starting to get a
:>little restless, what with all the nice, complete SVR4 packages out there.
:>Thus far, I have shied away from taking the plunge over to SVR4, because
:>I'm afraid that the tens of thousands of lines of code which I've written
:>under SCO will break. So I have a few questions about the SVR4 development
:>systems - if some kind soul who knows the answers to some or all of these
:>could Email me, I'd be very grateful :
:>

Larry... You wanna handle this one?
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From: larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:11:02 GMT

kevin@shady.UUCP (Kevin Smith) writes:

>So...  Larry can either sell 10 systems a day, mark up the unix price 100%,

The bottom line is that Larry doesn't sell systems.  I am a student :-) and
responsible for keeping a couple of machines running -- but I don't sell
hardware or software for a living.

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From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: On Knocking Withrow
Followup-To: alt.flame
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:05:33 GMT

To all you hypersensitive types:

1) I drink 1 cup of coffee at breakfast every mornining.  I post in the
afternoon.  My fingers don't even shake.  Honest.

2) merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) says:  you seem to be the kind of
person that would get a 976 number for home.  I says:  You seem to be
the kind of person who calls anyone who disagrees with you a crook.

3) shane@cs.sunysb.edu (Shane Bouslough) says: Do you actually think
the price you paid comes anywhere close to fair market value for what
you got?  I says: Huh?  To recap the play:

  a) thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu, by saying ``Do tell us, Robert, how much
     did *you* (as a non-.edu domain person) contribute to MIT since
     you're using X?  How much money did you send the FSF when you 
     installed gcc?  How about when you installed emacs?'' accused
     me of being a hypocrite.

  b) I responded (with I though a rather well sharpend sarcasm) `` I've 
     actually *bought* releases from FSF [... and] MIT [... and contributed
     to 386BSD.  This intended to rebut the above acusation?

What does your ``fair market value'' have to do with this?  I've contributed
*more* then the people who FTP the stuff; the same people I assume you are
trying to defend.

4) shane@cs.sunysb.edu (Shane Bouslough) then gets off another round with
flaming Mr DeArmond with ``I bet you live for alt.flame'', right after
flaming me.  Seems a tad inconsistent.

5) Finally, to those who feel they have a mission in life by teaching me
to be politically correct, please:  Take my advice, give up.  

-- 
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:20:22 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger):
>I suspect that the Intel Unix systems may be doomed.

Not a chance.  The NT, OS/2, and MS-DOS markets will continue to push
the PC clone architecture QUICKLY toward better bang/buck ratios.  Sun
can't amortize SPARC development costs like the PC clone makers can.

PC UNIX rides that wave of good and cheap hardware, and there's no
reason to think it won't continue to do so.
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  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
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From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:43:19 GMT
Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL

In article <1993Jan27.010733.28471@grebyn.com> mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli) writes:
>In article <C180J5.7s6@sugar.neosoft.com> jpsb@NeoSoft.com (Jim Shirreffs) writes:
>>>>The Sparc Classic will run all Sparc software?
>>
>>>Correct.
>>
>>Are you sure? 
>>
>Well, all SPARC software except SunOS 4.1.x or earlier and its apps.
>That's not really very much after all, is it?  And since it doesn't come
>with cc anymore, you can't just pull stuff off the net and compile
>without laying out $$.  I imagine someone will start distributing a Sun
>4m architecture Solaris 2.x binary of gcc eventually, but I haven't seen
>it yet.

Wrong on all counts.

Solaris 2.1 will run 4.1.x software in compatibility mode (ie: just like a
SVR4 machine can run Xenix).

There is <already> a free gcc available, with support available for a price
(but the compiler is free).  There is also a payware compiler from Sun if
you want to pay for it.

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From: thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram)
Subject: Re: ISC v3.0 make hash table overflow making x11r5
Organization: Cities in Dust
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:13:15 GMT

In <1993Jan22.142507.20543@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula) writes:

>I keep running into "hash table overflow" while trying to make
>x11r5. I am using GCC 2.3.3 (not that it matters as the same
>thing happens with ISC's CC) under ISC v3.0. I am using the
>standard ISC make. Does anyone have a hint as to how to deal 
>with this? It would seem that the best solution might be
>to be able to increase the size of make's has table. Any ideas
>on how to do this?

The best is to use GNU make 3.62. If you don't want, remove the comments
from that #define:

/* If you have trouble with make bombing out in Xlib, try uncommenting this. */
/* You will not get dependencies as a result, but better than nothing. */
/* #define DependTarget3(srcs1,srcs2,srcs3) */

in x386.cf.
BTW, don't build stock X11R5, get the patches for XFree86, they contain
a lot of enhancements, speed-ups, bugfixes.

Thomas

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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:22:10 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1993Jan21.180310.16354@compu.com>, fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:

| >>And how does this Equinox cluster controller look?  How did they hook 200
| >>users onto their system.  I mean physically.
| 
| >boxes bolted on large pieces of plywook with a nest of wires (tie wrapped
| >of course)..
| 
| Sounds like a real rube-goldberg setup and not very professional.

  Sounds state of the art to me. Look in a wire cabinet of any telephone
system, and you'll see that they have a maze of wires tie wrapped. If
you use a corolary or something the wire come into a box on J45 (or some
such) and out on a cable, but inside the black box is still a maze of
wires, probably with wire ties. 

  With modem control you have eight wires per user, so there are just a
lot of wires to be found. You can go into terminal servers and through
a net, but trying to do modem control signals over a net is
challenging.

  The objective is to be mechanicaly stable for reliability, and
accessable for maintenence. What larry describes is not "esthetically
pleasing" (to use a State of NY contract term), but it sounds as though
it could be solid and reliable. I'll settle for that.

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From: root@fns.gold.sub.org (Peter Bechtold)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: ISC 2.2.1: Problems with login, mount and ping
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:29:28 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Peter's News Server, Munich, Germany

In article <2946@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> aze@first.gmd.de (Andre' Zehl) writes:
>I'm having three problems with my ISC 3.2.2.1
[..]
>2.) mount. (I guess there is nothing to be done to mount faster than
>the standard mount does with S51K ?). My problem here is, that I
>get the message:
>	mount: warning <usr2> mounted as </home> 
>Can I prevent this message? I've played with /etc/partitions but this
>doesn't seem to help. 

When creating a file system, the system prompts you to enter the
name of the file system wchich it writes directly to the disk (not in 
/etc/partitions).

By default, ISC creates one usr FS, then asks you whether you wanna
have a second one, and if so it labels it usr2.

Even though, you can mount any filesystem to any place.

So you don't have to care about that warning.

>Andre'

peter



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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1993Jan20.163215.12957@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, shane@cs.sunysb.edu (Shane Bouslough) writes:

| Don't be too quick to let GCC's reputation cloud your judgement.
| Where I work, we find Sun's new compiler to be about the same as GCC
| a lot of the time. And on my Dell SVR4 system, the stock compiler
| is as good if not better than GCC most of the time, esp. in speed of
| compile.

  Agreed, Dell rel 2.2 has gcc 1.4, gcc 2.2 and cc, and there is no
clear "best" in terms of performance of the generated code. Moreover,
the versions of gcc don't require the same options to generate optimal
code, so it's an adventure if you need best code. Most of my stuff won't
justify an hour of testing to save 5% or so, and for almost all programs
that's the magnitude of the advantage.
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From: crusoe@cs.tu-berlin.de (Andre' Zehl)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: How to use SLIP on ISC 2.2.1 ?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 01:01:17 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin.cs.tu-berlin.de

I'm thinking about connecting two pc-boxes with SLIP, so the user on the
second machine can telnet to the ISC 2.2.1  box. I've heard that ISC 3.0
includes a SLIP driver, but upgrading is presently not an option, so I 
would like to have some help that outline the steps I'll have to do, which
SLIP-Version to use and problems I'll run into on ISC.

Many thanks in advance!
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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:47:06 GMT

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:

>SCO has a serious value problem.

They're not the only ones.  NextStep 3.0 looks like a wonderful
development environment.  Price announced for the '486: $995 runtime,
$2495 for the developers version.

I could understand the $2495 for the developers if Next were going to
ship the runtime for $99.95 --- the programmers are going to need a lot
of support and you can use a price as a way of sorting out the serious
programmers.  (Somewhere in a filing cabinet I have a write-up on the
experiences of a company selling a programmer's tool: their $100 version
generated 80% of their support calls.  So they dropped it and only sold 
their $500 deluxe package.)  If you can't pay $2495, you might not have
the money to finish the package.

But at $995 for the OS, the product has to be of mind-boggling value and
a very high price.  "Here, our WhizBangWriter is only $195 --- but you
have to pay $995 for the operating system to run it."  That'd go over 
real big against Word for Windows.  The Next app would have to write the
letter for you ... of course, you could grab some Shakespeare off the
disk for a touch of class.

Of course Steve Jobs used to work with Guy Kawasaki, who wrote in his
book about _The Macintosh Way_ about how he would show the Mac to
developers, then tell them how Apple was going to charge them for
documentation, and support, and they'd have to develop on the Lisa since
the Mac itself didn't have development tools yet.  And some people, the
true believers, would still go for it.  But it's 1993, not 1983.  It's
not CP/M or MS-DOS that's the enemy, it's X/Windows, MS Windows, OS/2, and
the Mac itself.

To come back to SCO: I would bet a large sum of money that most of the
people running SCO have no idea what operating system they're using.
They just do their accounting or whatever other vertical market software
they need.  End-users don't buy operating systems, they buy solutions.
And for that market, the cost of the operating system is usually trivial
compared to support and custom programming.

(So why won't NextStep do well?  Because they didn't get big enough fast
enough.  If Next gets past all the PC competitors, there's SUN with
Solaris.  And SUN's has just a little more muscle than Next ... )

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:03:33 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:

>intensive things, and find that the SCO and V.4 cc do better than gcc
>(1.4 or 2.2) in many cases. Not a lot better, but some.

I was not so much speaking of resulting code but rather of syntax and odd 
behavior that could be improved upon. Everything can be worked around but 
eventually the need to do so should go away. 

Fred
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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:30:48 GMT

In article <C1D4wD.5I7@trauma.rn.com> larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>>>The bottom line is with Dell it truely is plug and play.
>
>>The only thing really missing from Dell is CDROM support.  Is there
>>a 3rd party add-on if that is needed later?
>
>Yes, from young minds, and it isn't cheap.

All System V R4.2 systems have native CD-ROM support.

Pity Dell has said they won't commit to USL code beyond 4.0.4. Maybe
they'll stick at 4.0.4 just like SCO stuck at 3.2. Then someone can
keep needling Larry because his favourite UNIX isn't the latest and
greatest and cheapest...
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What's with all this multimedia stuff? Most vendors can't get *one* done right.
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r3
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:03:50 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Simple wrong. microSPARC by Ti integrates ALL onto ONE dice. Period.
>RTFM!

Well, it integrates the CPU (IU+FPU+MMU+on-chip I&D caches), the memory
controller, the SBus interface and, I think, the "8-bit peripheral"
interface on one die.  The other peripherals, such as the SCSI bus, the
Ethernet interface, and the serial ports, are on two other chips.

Dunno whether any 32-bit x86 chips exist that achieve a similar level of
integration, although it's probably possible to create them, and some
may be under development....
From: v119matc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Claus Schwinge)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Information wanted about PC's running unix
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm going to be buying a nice shiney new 486 with all the trimmings, and 
was wondering what good it would do me to set it up with unix as opposed
to DOS.  My background is extensive in UNIX on Sun workstations, and I am 
fairly knowlegeable about DOS.  Any information would be appreciated, please
reply by mail.

Specific questions are:

  - Are the two systems mutually exclusive, ie, can one run alongside the 
    other, or can you boot selecting one operating system or the other.
    (I'll only have one hard drive though)

  - If running one system, can the other be emulated (with good accuracy)

  - How broad is the software base for PC-UNIX (editors, graphing, games
    and "big-name" programs such as foxpro, WP, quattro, etc), how much 
    is public domain, and how does the price of unix software compare with
    DOS software

  - I've heard that unix requires a lot of overhead to run, what is the 
    minimum ram and speed necessary for unix to run smoothly. (I'm looking 
    at a comtrade 486/33dx, 64kcache, 4mb ram with 487 math coprocessor and
    local bus video)

  - Anything else I should need to know

If you actually read this far, thank you, and thanx in advance for any 
information sent.

-Claus Schwinge
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From: hcrms@porpoise.chvpkh.chevron.com (m s craig)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: ESIX vs Dell
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:17:46 GMT
Organization: chevron

(David Mason) writes:
>... I used to call and get an irate sounding support person right away,
>now I get a receptionist, then a first level support person, then a call back
>from a techie. 

hahahaha - personally I'd rather get the irate-sounding techie right off
the bat instead a sweet receptionist who connects me to the Muzak hold line
or even worse an irate-sounding salesman who is being forced to run
interference for the techies.   ;-)
    
		Mitch Craig - hcrms@chevron.com
			San Ramon, Calif

p.s. if ESIX is going to survive against Dell they had better include
some kind of DOS emulator in their 4.2 release. Also some of the
bundled stuff like emacs and TeX would be nice. 

How do ESIX and Dell compare on nfs and yp stuff? ESIX includes
an nfs package but I haven't figured out how to use it yet
(no docs *&#$!). Does Dell? I got the impression they don't.
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: On knocking .edu folks (was: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:40:29 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Distribution: usa

shane@cs.sunysb.edu (Shane Bouslough) writes:

>: Sorry pal.  Nice try, but you loose.  Perhaps I'm stupid, but I've actually
>: *bought* releases from FSF instead of UUCPing them, or I get them from people
>: who donate a portion to the FSF.  I buy the printed manuals, instead of
>: printing them off myself.  I've bought distibutions from MIT for X,
>: including the manuals. I've sent my $100 to the 386BSD folks.  I also *pay*
>: for my connectivity to the network...

>Not so fast Kemosabe. Do you actually think the price you paid comes
>anywhere close to fair market value for what you got? I hope you don't
>think that. Sure, you paid what they asked, but let's be honest. Did
>you buy one distribution tape of FSF or X code and use it more than
>once?

By definition he paid fair market price for the products because he paid
what was asked.  That's kinda obvious to us .com people.  Actually he paid 
more than fair market price because fair market price is zero for FSF stuff, 
again by definition.  And we haven't even discussed yet the tax subsidies
we .coms get to pay to such projects.

>Lighten up, dude. A few less trips to the coffee machine might do you 
>some good.

As would a trip to Econ 101 for you.

John
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