From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Summit NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:46:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality

First  of all, the referenced article, and others like it, are totally
inappropriate for rec.scouting.  I have asked the most blatant of those
who have abused rec.scouting for the purpose of publishing and advertising
the gay rights agenda to please stop doing so and observe the rules
of netiquette that (1) restricts postings to be consistent with the
group's purpose, and (2) asks that crosspostings be limited to those
news groups that are relevant to the discussion.

There are CLEARLY two schools of thought on the whole issue.  The
one being plastered over the net by gay rights advocates is that
sexual preference should be a ZERO factor is determining a person's
suitability for anything.  The other view is that homosexuality is
immoral and thus is most certainly a factor is determining a person's
suitability to work with children.  And  the FACT is that nobody's
view is going to change!!  And the second FACT is that BIGOT, BIGOT,
BIGOT is going to be answered with just as loud DEVIANT, DEVIANT,
DEVIANT.

So folks, let just cool it on rec.scouting and let BSA provide a
program for the boys based on decent, proper, positive, moral
values and attributes.  If you want to join, you know the rules;
specifically, that you agree to live by the Scout Oath and Scout
Law.

Now-

Andrew Werling writes:
>
>Guess what, Karen.  Kick out a gay scoutmaster, what are you teaching
>your children?  That it's okay to bash people for NO reason!

NO, what you're teaching the children is that adult leaders are expected
to present POSITIVE values to children, and we've already been through
this time and time again on rec.scouting.  You've made you statement,
you've gotten your answer, and I'm very sorry it's not the answer you
want to hear, but it doesn't change reality.

>The BSA policy is not a rule, it is an abomination.  To enforce that
>abomination is discrimination, it is hateful, it is a crime against the
>rights of individuals universally.

Oh yeah, I forgot.  Decency and morality aren't politically correct
anymore.   I'm very sorry that you've chosen a lifestyle outside
the mainstream, and while it is your personal right, it doesn't
mean that it's morally correct or morally acceptable, which is the
ONLY issue that's relevant on rec.scouting.

>And WHAT do you think has been forced on gays and lesbians in this
>country? 

They made their choice, and they're entitled to the protection of
our laws, but what does that have to do with BSA and rec.scouting?

>Heh.  If you succeed at curing your heterosexuality, let me know. 

There's nothing to cure; it's consistent with our society's moral
standards.  Why should we want to cure it (but again, this is not
appropriate for rec.scouting; it's a gay rights, not a BSA,
issue).

>As a homosexual, I'm demanding the same rights bigots like you already
>have.  If getting married, NOT being bashed, having the same financial
>benefits as you constitute "behavior," then so be it.  

And why is the above appropriate for rec.scouting?  BSA doesn't
define "spouses", "survivors", or "dependents".
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: rec.scouting