HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam and gays
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:33:47 GMT
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science

In article <1992Aug20.145842.12954@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.191859.10861@cco.caltech.edu> asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.225824.11526@sco.COM> waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:
>>>
>>>Here's an article that came out recently in a magazine about Muslim gays.
>>>I think that is a contradiction in term. One  can't be a Muslim and a 
>>>gay/lesbian at the same time.
>>>
>>>However we should know what is going on in the Islamic community and 
>>>understand the challenges that we face. Hence the posting of this  article.
>>	Thanks for bringing it up and posting it here. 
>>
>>>
>>>There's a shocking para in there about homosexual  activities in Pakistan.
>>>I didn't know this kind of things happened in Pakistan.
>>
>>	I wouldn't know either. All I know is people have tendency to joke 
>>	about things like that and they don't really mean it seriously.For
>>	someone from outside it will be difficult to understand who may take
>>	it at the face value. jj
>
>
>	Who are we trying to kid here? 
>	No one ever heard of Bannu here?
>	It's no joke. Anyone on the net from Hasan Abdal Military school?
>	Maybe they can quote a few instances. 
>	What about news in papers about mullahs who rape young boys?
>	Or is all that just a Sehoonie saazish to blacken the name of
>	islam and Pakistan.
>	Stop denying the realities. It wouldn't do any good.

		My main criticism of the article is that it makes it sound
	"It is happening everywhere and in all-so-open." Where are in fact,
	such incidents are 'exceptions.'

	There are many other things Muslims do which they are not supposed to
        but they remain exceptions. To anwer one of your queries, I don't think
	it is a 'Saazizh' by any, Muslims are doing it to themselves. If 
	Muslims let go on 'Allah ki rassi' then they are on their own, the 
	results are the evidence.

	
Asim Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
>
>							--ali.
From: rk@nms.hls.com (S Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Polyandry in Tibet and Islamic prohibition.
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:15:38 GMT
Organization: Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca
Originator: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu

In article <1992Aug21.132307.30466@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
  ...
   >IMO, No.  But for those who accept Islam, Islam is their culture and
   >overlays the culture in which they grew up in or reside in.  A lot
   >of things that we learned in our Indo-Pak society while growing up
   >became a part of our culture.  However, these values that are practised
   >sometimes burden us and define to us what Islam is.  I have experienced
   >it myself and the reality is that there are not so many rules.  It is not
   >that hard as people make it out to be.  When people say, in our family we don't
   >do this, or we do that.  I am surprised and astonished when I find that
   >it is a thing permissible in Islam but it is not accepted thing in society
   >and so it is discouraged.  Islam is very lenient and it should be a layer
   >over the existing culture, not the other way around.  For those of us who
   >accept the culture as is, without questioning it, often times, let go
   >some of our dreams due to the pressure of the culture.  It is a choice that
   >we make.
  
...that is, assuming that its easy to identify what the "rules" (in this case, 
Islam) are. It seems to as if the dictates of any religion may always be 
viewed in different lights and hence interpreted differently. In fact, 
whenever you challenge a particular norm of an Islamic society chances are 
that you'd run into a person who can quote a certain Hadith or a Sura and 
interpret it so as to justify exactly what you seek to challenge...

   >-Rukhsana Merchant


Ps: In Hindusim, a prominent example of this are the two diametrically 
    opposite interpretations that are imposed on a verse from an Upanishad.
    This  verse is used by Dualists and Nondualists alike to support their 
    own schools.

---
S Ramakrishnan, Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: REMNANTS of BRITISH rule
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:22:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <18AUG199215155099@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch 
(MIRZA,I./EP) writes...
>....... (some very appropriate part deleted) ........

 I think that you have hit the nail on the head. Since Pakistan has been
 following the footsteps of Maulana Maudoodi (Jammat-i-Islam), the real
 emancipation of human beings have long ceased to exist. The poor will HAVE
 to remain poor IF Maudoodism is to exist in Pakistan. This is because the
 mass in that case will remain uneducated, and, it will be easy to fool them
 saying that: "Al-Islam is in Danger". Therefore, I agree that as you have
 implied, the better change in a Muslim society will not come unless the
 fundamentalists cease to have power - as they are having now.

>Laws of nature are indeed very simple. Only we make them complicated
>by looking at the facts not as they are but as we wish they should
>have been. 

 I disagree here. FYI, we never knew that Nature could have a " statistical"
 and or "uncertain" component. This was possible due to Max Born and Werner
 Rainer Hisenberg. However, Nature has a set of simple and complicated laws
 which work according to another set of simple or complicated laws to give
 rise to this complex cosmos.
> 
>Mirza Ilyas

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
From: amuh2@bu-pub.bu.edu (muhammad ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:47:00 GMT
Organization: Boston University


test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 01:41:44 GMT

In article <Bt97Iy.5tn@ux1.isu.edu> zaidim@ux1.isu.edu (M. Baqar Zaidi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.083621.127@cc.uow.edu.au> g9220755@cc.uow.edu.au (sanjay dani) writes:
>>zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR) writes:
>>
>>
>>>	
>>>	What a news guys......
>>
>>>	"Pakistan has fired 687 police officers in Sind province, citing their
>>>	ties to criminals, the government said. The action followed a recent 										          order by Prime Minister Sharif for a crackdown on the province's police
>>>	force."
>>
>>
>>>	The Wall Street Journal.
>>>	Monday, August 17, 1992.
>>
>>
>>>	Zakir Abdi. (This time pray for Pakistan) 
>>
>>
>>
>>Were they Sindhis or Muhajirs?
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>    Can't you guy's keep these stupid ethnic difference away? I just don't
>believe it.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Baqar Zaidi 

It's a fatal disease that is hard to control, and it will eventually kill us.
It is already in pandemic porportion in Pakistan, we should quarantine people
like this, maybe they might die in their own shit, or maybe the disease might
get better by itself, but we don't need people like that. Keep your Sindh/
Muhajir/not really Muhajir, but urdu speaking/Muhajir but not really cause
speak punjabi/Pathanistan/ or whatever racial queries to a minimum please.

zafar


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
Organization: The Ohio State University
 writes:
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:02:41 GMT

But, it takes TWO Indi umpires to do the same for the Indian side!  Jeez! even
the Indian umpiring is substandard! :-)

>      Stay cool, Mr. Arif.
>
>      Patri Rao
>

Peace and cooler Fridays.

Kamal Mubarak.
Organization: Software Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:12:19 -0400 
From: "Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai" <sohan+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Asma Jehangir:Human Right Activist
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 19-Aug-92 Re:Asma
Jehangir:Human Righ.. charisma@ccwf.cc.utexas. (2218)

> 	It is a pity that there is no longer any Ghazi Alimudin(shaheed)
> in Pakistan to teach such people a lesson. 



> 							Ali Chaudhary.


Is that part of your vision of a model Islamic society? One with lynch
mobs of Ghazis enforcing their ideas of the law?
___
Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai
Office: UCC 181	Phone: x6406 [(412)268-6406]

 "In the beginning, man created beer, and it was good. God was
  created shortly thereafter." Gospel According to Brew, 1:1
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Woody Allen Joke
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:57:58 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Distribution: usa

ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:

>'Honey, I molested a 7-year kid'

This is still only an allegation. Woody Allen has admitted
to an affair with the 21-year old adopted daughter only.
Sometimes fabricated charges of child abuse are used in divorce
suits.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Aga Khan III
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 16:09:57 GMT


>In article <1992Aug21.210444.11539@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu
>(Mansoor Khan) writes:
>>.........
>>	Qhaachaar rule. They ended up in Sindh where later
>>	Britishers knighted them and gave them the title Aga Khan.
>>.........

>The title of Aga (Aaqa) Khan was most probably given by a Persian ruler

	The title is Agha and not aaqaa( though they have almost similar meaning). Any way, as my original comment said, they were pushed out of Iran.
so why will Qaachaars give them title before throwing them out. Aga Khan's
ancestors came to India and lived around Bombay and then in Sindh which
was part of Bombay Presidency for quite a while. Also remember, Sir Sultan
was Agha Khan the 3rd. And his grandparents came to India. So Agakhan 1st and 2nd were in India.  
	Present Agakhan (IV) is a grandson of the third agakhan.  His 
father and Uncles were not considered appropriate for the Imamate
by the AgaKhan III. One of his Uncles married a Hollywood actress in 50's.
I dont remember her name but I guess she had Hayesworth in her name(????).
If I remember correctly, she died receny.
	Prince Abdul Karim Agakhan (IV) is I guess 44th in the line of Imams.
	Prince Sadruddin, who was (and may be still is) U.N.O.'s 
	offical for relief efforts in Afghanistan after Russian withdrawl,
	is related to AgaKhan IV (his cousin or brother?).

	Agakhanis( or Ismailis) in Pakistan are active in Business, commerce,
and Industry. Some of the major Industrialists of Pakistan are Ismailis.
Unlike others, Ismailis have a habit of investing in social welfare projects.
Number of Schools, hospitals, training centers are run by them in Karachi.
And not  to forget The Agha Khan Health Sciences University of Karachi.
	Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah(Quaid-e-Azam)    was born in an Ismaili family. He later
became Asnaa-Ashree (Twelever) Shia as oppose to Ismaili Shia. .
u


>and not the British. However, the present Aga Khan did receive the title
>"His Highness" from the British Queen and the title "His Royal Highness"
>from the ex-Shah of Iran. Bernard Lewis's work on the history of the
>Assasins and The Ismailis by Farhad Daftary (CUP, 1992) should provide a
>detailed account of these changes in the titles by which the Ismaili imams
>have been addressed.

Thanks for the references. 

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
From: 92siddiqui@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: NEED INFORM. REARDING M.S.(COMPUER SCIENCE)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:00:25 EST
Summary: NEED INFORMATION ABOUT C.S. PROGRAM IN DIFFERENET UNIVERSITY.
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

Salam:

I finished my B.S in Computer Science with minor in Mathematics from Western
Michigan University with the GPA above 3.0.

I am interested in doing my M.S. in Computer Science. 
Undertaken courses are  database  mangement systems, artificial intelligence,
operating systems, networking, theory of computation etc.

Can somebody send me information about M.S.(Computer Science program) in
their school. I am looking for a university which got fee less than $250
and wheather any financial support is available there.

Thanks in advance.

My email address is
	
	80kamali@hcob.wmich.edu
	kamali@cs.wmich.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.085206.27850@hippo.ru.ac.za>, g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za (Lt Sajid Rahim) writes...
> 
>It is about time that some action was taken against the corrupt
>police.
> 
>Sajid
> 
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>--   Sajid Rahim, Dept of Computer Science, Rhodes University,     --
>--   Grahamstown, South Africa. Internet : g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za --
>---------------------------------------------------------------------

	What about the corrupt Government?

Mirza Ilyas
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan has fired 687 police officers.
Date: 19 Aug 1992 14:08:09 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons.

In article <1715@hydra.bucknell.edu> zabdi@bucknell.edu (zakir abdi GR) writes:

>	What a news guys......
>
>	"Pakistan has fired 687 police officers in Sind province, citing their


I have a hypothesis:

1: Dissolve the department of Police in Pakistan.
2: Use the money spend on the Police dept. to compensate
   people for theft etc.
3: Crime in Pakistan will substantially decrease.

Some other ideas:

(i)  Make the councillors incharge of the local police dept.
(ii) Give the police department solid goals. Associate
     compensation with those goals.
[The last two ideas will achieve, what is in management
 theory called, balancing authority with responsiblity]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Summary: Please check
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:04:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.234112.6403@cco.caltech.edu>, asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
> In article <21AUG199210064707@vxcrna.cern.ch> mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> >     Just to remind all of you two things. First there is no special condition
> >     mentioned in Quran for having more than a single wife beside "justice"
> >     whose interpretation is left entirely on the man himself. 
> >     Second the limit is only on wifes. There is no limit on "Laundees"
> >     or mistresses .
> >
> >Mirza Ilyas
> 
> 	I would think "Laundees" & "mistresses" have already been forbidden
> 	when Quran talks about no physical relationship without a certificate
> 	from an Imam, co-signed by two witnesses & the couple ;)
> 
> Asim Mughal
> 
> [Standard Disclaimer]
> 

Maybe somebody can check it out for. May Hyder Bhai or 
others more knowledgeable about Quran. I would like to 
know what is exact status of extra-marital affairs in Islam.

regards,

-Naveed


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: amuh2@bu-pub.bu.edu (muhammad ahmed)
Subject: Pakistan Zindabad
Organization: Boston University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:27:18 GMT
X-Posted-From: bass.bu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

           On the  Occasion of 45th anniversary of independance Eid-E-Azadi Mubark to all Pakistanis. Lets pray to Allah Almighty for Pakistan's sovereignity and for the liberation of Jammu & Kashmir.

Islam Zindabad

Pakistan Zindabad

Muhammad ahmed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:10:07 GMT


		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================
		Nawab Viqar-ul-Mulk
		-------------------

	Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk was born in 1841 in Moradabad[ now in U.P. India].
Like Sir Syed and Mohsin-ul-Mulk he too attained a high status in life
by dint of sheer personal ability and hard work.
	Sir Syed and Mohsin-ul-Mulk let the education movement of the 
Muslims, and Viqar-ul-Mulk added a political dimension to it.  He
agreed with the political ideas of Sir Syed and Mohsin-ul-Mulk.
He felt the need for a seperate political platform as well as a 
seperate political party  for the muslims and persistently worked towards
this goal.
	At last in 1906, The Muslim League was founded and he became its joint
Secretary. The annulment of the partition of Bengal led to his disillusionment
with the British and he wrote his famous article "Musalmano'n kaa Ayendah
Laiha-e-Amal"( The future course of action for the Muslims) and published
it in the Aligarh Institute Gazette as a public expression of his
anti-British stance. It would not be wrong to say that the Muslims subsequently
followed the path pointed out by him.
Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk died on January 27, 1917.

P.S. 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution, 1940-90
     by Pakistan International Airline (PIA).

Mansoor Ahmed Khan
Cleveland, Ohio.
August 1992.
From: patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN AND INDIA
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:39:10 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University


  Manoj,
  

  Thankfully you have accepted your mistake in generalising everyone.
  As for me being a "sore loser",if you would care to read my previous 
  post,you would  realise that you are wrong again. Neither did I link
  Pak's victories to their umpires nor did I doubt their ( Pak's team)
  capabilities.

  Peace.
 
  Patri Rao
  
  
  


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dwright@metz.une.edu.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Multiple postings
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:46:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bangladesh


August 21, 1992                  11:33 AM

Can I make a plea to all persons contributing to the debates
that have been multiple-posted to soc.cult.india,
soc.cult.pakistan and soc.cult.bangladesh?  I have a feeling it
will fall on deaf ears (blind eyes, more precisely) but someone
has got to speak up for sanity.

The three subcontinental groups were created for dialogue
(multilogue) on mutually interesting topics. Some topics cut
across national boundaries.  I can understand why multiple
postings should sometimes occur.

What I find annoying is the fact that very heated and
substantial debates are being cross-posted unnecessarily, and
we now have the situation where the bandwidth for any of these
has trebled because the same postings and bulky follow-ups are
appearing in three different places.  It seems to me that
although we may disagree about the topic under discussion, we
could be rational enough to agree on where (i.e., *one* group)
discussion on that topic is to take place.

I would find it hard to believe that the majority of posters
and readers would have access to only one of the three groups.
Surely just about everybody can subscribe to all three if they
choose.  A thread you are interested in can be called up simply
by scanning the headers and nominating the first posting, then
using your news-reader command to search and display the
follow-up articles.

So, for a debate that really cuts across national boundaries,
perhaps the originator of the topic could suggest which group
*all* follow-ups could be posted to, and the bandwidth required
would be reduced to one-third immediately.

Make sense?  Seems like it, but I'll bet it won't work.

'bye from Oz,

Denis Wright.
e 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:14022 soc.culture.indian:29064
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Re meaning of 14th august
Date: 21 Aug 1992 15:11:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug21.162726.19176@uceng.UC.EDU> rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar) writes:
>
>>		As you can see, I am relatively very new to the computers
>
>Oh yeah? 
>You sure must have a very slow learning curve.

Actually he has forgotten what he has learnt and as any biologist worth his
Epsom salt will tell you, those are the classical symptoms of neuron
degeneration caused by the onset of Alzheimer's disease.


>
>>	and can;t seem to be getting this editor thing working, it chomped
>>	off the line, 
>
>A few years ago you used to post only single lines. Now its articles
>with one line missing! 
>
>What's next eh?

Raj, aren't you being a little harsh here. After all the guy is a lowly
undergrad and probably needs help anyway. Mind if I send some people over
to "help" you out, Mr.Mughal? You are probably in the Pasadena area, right?

And anyway what damage could he possibly do that Deb Chat or King Cobra 
could not "rectify" with a single posting?:-)

>(I mean, asking Asim Mughal to post one line may restart some
>old processes in his mind/brain. And I wouldn't want to be held
>responsible for the resulting chaos)

Actually I am hoping he will post, all the same. It might be interesting
to hear from a life form at a level slightly higher than Mustafa Ibrahim. 


Samit




Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:14040 soc.culture.indian:29093 soc.culture.bangladesh:4640
From: msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: DESI JOKES (adult only) #8
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:18:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.



No discriminations are intended towards any minority group, purpose of
the joke is to build bridges and see the lighter side of our culture.



	 Title of the Joke:	     PUNJABI HALWAII
 				     ---------------


*********************WARNING WARNING AUTHOR DOES NOT TAKE ****************
*********************RESPONSIBILITY MENTAL BREAK DOWN     **************


Definition of HALWAII : A person who makes DESI sweet(MATHAI e.g LADOO,BARFI ...etc)

A PUNJABI HALWAII has a MATHI shop next door to a PATEL HALWAII in the main bazaar,
PATEL can't understand why all the customers goes to the PUNJABI shop to get MATHIS.

Every time Mr PATEL looks out of his shop window there is a big crowd inside the 
PUNJABI'S shop, to stay in business he has no choice but to get the secret
recipe from the PUNJABI.

One day, PATEL walks over to the PUNJABI'S shop:

PATEL:	        (HAATH JOOR KAA,  holding his hands togeather)

		BAHI SHAIB AKAHAR SUB LOOG AAP KEE MATHI KISS LAYIA PASAND KARTAA HAY
		(Brother tell me why does every one wants to eat your sweet)

PUNJABI:	PATEL BAHI, MAIN AAP KOO ABHI DAKHATA HAY.
		(Let me show you how i make sweet)
		He start's demonstrating the art of making LADOO, he grab 
		a hand full of BUNDI sticks it under his arm pit and squeezes it, 
		out pops a LADOO.


PATEL:		BAHI SHAIB BOHAT MAHIR_BANI AAP KE 
		(Thank you very much) 
		(After seeing the art of making LADOO, he is about to leave) 

PUNJABI:	PATEL SHAIB WAPIS AYOO, MAIN NAIN ABHI AAP KOO 
		SEKISH KABAB BANANA DAKHANA HAY
		-----------
		(PLease Patel come back i still have to show you how make KABABS)




						Tariq Sardar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan