From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Intellectually Challenging moments in Modern history
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Date: 27 Jul 92 00:57:20 PST
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In article <1992Jul27.034354.27753@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> ] Women were never ever made criminals.  Doctors were held responsible.
> ] This is before Roe, since there has been ZERO legislation against
> ] abortion in the 20 years since.
>
>
> don't get out in the big world a whole lot now do you?
>
> forget about a place called pennsylvania?

According to a consortium of 8+ pro-abortion interest groups, only
25 states are likely to outlaw abortion altogether.  Less than
10 would make it 100% unregulated as per Roe.  The rest of the
states would allow reasonable limitations on abortion.  This
is "if Roe is overturned" by the supreme court.  My source is
Time Magazine, which published the data as a map of the US
with each state in a specific color.  The data was based upon
pre-Roe laws, current opinions of state leadership, and other
laws on the books.

Now, tell me how Pennsylvania passed a law making abortion
100% illegal?  Or shut the hell up.

>
> forget about a place called guam....
>

Same is true of guam.

> and why is it that now when AntiAboritonistsRhetoriticianists
> rattle on about abortion laws, they do not talk in terms
> of returning to the days before R.v.W -
>

I talk about the days before Roe quite a bit.  Obviously you
have missed my posts.  Before Roe, abortion was legal in the
US.  There were 500,000 legal (repeat LEGAL) abortions in
the US - 1/3 of the number we have with Roe legalized abortions.
I also say that if Roe is overturned by the supreme court,
which I don't see happening, abortion will still be legal,
just as it was before Roe.

Tell me why the people of 25 states vote for government that
would make abortion illegal?  Or shut the hell up.

> but instead speak in terms of "abortion is murder" and
> seek to criminalize it to a level it never knew before.....
>

I have, in the past, said that abortion is murder.  But that
is MY opinion.  Do you deny me the right to MY opinion?  Are
you that much a facsist?  You would censor me?

What I only want to write about, since I will not convince
YOU abortion is murder nor do I even care to try at all,
is that the Supreme Court has NO business deciding the
question "what is life?"  If you and I had to decide,
we could come to no conclusion...

> So Mike, step back, get out of your pleasant little
> cozy hovel in Los Altos and see what is going on
> out there in the big world...
>

OK, a resort to personal attack?  Where did you learn to
debate?

> then figure out which side of the liberty issue
> you want to be on....
>

I already know what side of the liberty issue I want to be on.
I say that the state or feds should not be allowed to preclude
a woman from traveling anywhere she wants (i.e. to a state
where it is legal) to have her abortion.  That is totally
consistent with the 14th ammendment.

> ciao
> drieux
>
>
> --
> I Do Not Believe in .sig files
> as they are such a Known Waste Of BandWidth,
> And Therefore Not a Morally UpRight Choice.
> But I Can See the HideousHienousHandOfHeteroSexualityBehindItAll.

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