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From: page@student.physics.upenn.edu (Chris Page)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Who is Jody Lynn Nye?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:45:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.pern
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1eabc9INN2dr@network.ucsd.edu>, rr@chem.ucsd.edu (Roxanne
Rohmann) wrote:
> I'm just curious about the recent books Ann McCaffrey has been
> co-authoring with other people.  Why did she decide to go that
> route?  And are the two women whose names I have seen the most (on
> the Sassinak books, I think) friends or relatives?
> 
>    ---Roxanne Rohmann

For some reason (probably either due to an idea by McCaffrey or her
publishers), it seems that McCaffrey has recently been
writing books with a whole string of women writers. The six books so
far are all connected to some of McCaffrey's earlier works, and are:

Sassinak (with Elizabeth Moon)
The Death of Sleep (with Jody Lynn Nye)
Generation Warriors (with Elizabeth Moon)
Crisis on Doona (with Jody Lynn Nye)
Partnership (with Margaret Ball)
The Ship who Searched (with Mercedes Lackey)

It seemed like she might have been doing this to give some new
female authors more name recognition, but this doesn't seem
to wash with her writing a book with Lackey. Nye (Mythology 101,
etc) and Moon (Sheepfarmer's Daughter, Divided Allegiances, Oath
of Gold, Surrender None, Liar's Oath, and one other) both are
published authors. I have not seen any books out by Ball yet.

Interestingly enough, I personally thought Sassinak was far worse
than any books done individually by either Moon or McCaffrey,
defying my usual rule of thumb on colaborations - that it's as bad
as the material written by the poorer author. Of course, I read
Sassinak before I realized that it was going to be followed up
by Generation Warriors.

-Chris Page
page@student.physics.upenn.edu
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From: jrosen@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Jamey Rosen)
Subject: population
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:23:16 GMT

It always seems that just about everybody on Pern knows everybody
else...just how many people live there? I can determine a rough populaton
density, but not the population extent...Surely in the mellenia since
landing a significant number of people have come into being!
Any thoughts?

Jamey
From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs... 
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:55:08 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <722304362snz@keris.demon.co.uk>, chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
> 
> (lotsa deleted)
> 
> On a related topic, what (human) birth control is available on Pern?
> Lessa mentions that "The hold girls are convinced it's immoral to abort"
> - how do they do abortions?  There's no invasive surgery on Pern.  Is
> there a natural drug?  How about prevention - is there a natural
> contraceptive drug?  (There is in Valdemar, but that's a different
> universe).  The 'rhythm' method won't work, when a dragon could rise at
> any time...
> 
> Chris
> 
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I beleive the Japanese have an herb that can induce abortion and have used
it for a number of centuries. Maybe somebody else could expand on that. The
Pernese probably have something similar.

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: 22 Nov 1992 02:23:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1992Nov18.174430.13137@oswego.Oswego.EDU> mccall@oswego.Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall) writes:
>From either Dragonflight or either Dragonquest : (I'm paraphrasing here)
>
>F'lar states that if greens didnt chew firestone they could reproduce, but
>that they'd hatch only small dragons, and that it was a good thing that the
>firestone kept them sterile, because considering the amorous tendencies of
>greens, the weyr would be overflowing with little dragons in no time.
>
>This is a rough paraphrase, but the content is essentially retained.

Of course, it's always possible that F'lar doesn't know what he's talking
about.  :)  Remember, this was a character speaking, not an omniscient
narrator.  F'lar and the other Pernese have been wrong about plenty before,
so hey.


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From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: Fan Fluff - a PS
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:30:33 GMT

I agree that this is for all things Pernese - just remember that
McCaffrey did warn that fan fiction over the net was in
violation of copyright. 'Course she said that after I posted a
story a while back. :-)

-Jen
-Shandra@PernMUSH

Pet Peeve of the Day: If Asimov is Asimov and Heinlein is Heinlein,
why do people call McCaffrey Anne? 'Course it is shorter...:-)
From: John Lussmyer <dragon@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...and thanks!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:43:53 EST
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:

> 	thunder.  I've dismissed the possibility that the dragons
> 	*exchange* a volume of air from the destination for their own
> 	volume, because there had evidently been cases of ill-practiced
> 	weyrlings materializing inside rock.

But just think of the neat implications.  Suddenly this perfect
statue of a dragon & rider appears in mid-air and drops to the
ground!

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...and thanks!
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:22:02 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov20.003129.21542@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, tyrie@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Tyrie Grubic) writes:
> My impression was the same as Kiandra's. (I forget what your real name was)
> 
> I cannot find the reference: it's not in the DLG.  My roommate is now 
> reading DragonsDawn and if she finds it I'll post it.
> 
> I distinctly remember reading that it was only later that they THOUGHT it
> was the firestone that made them infertile.  In reality, Kitti Ping 
> engineered it this way because otherwise there'd be too many greens and the
> greens coudln't take as good of care of their young.  
> 
> In support of this, I offer the fact that green FireLizards chew firestone
> and they are still fertile, which implies that firestone and fertility are
> unrelated.  
> 
> T'lilah, rider of brown Ogreth, DragonsFire
> Tyrie J. Grubic

Excuse my ignorance; I only read the book once and it was a while ago.

Where in _Dragonsdawn_ does it talk about infertile greens? I don't recall
anything about that. Of course, I tend to ignore anything after the first
eight books, but still, it disturbs me to see my memory fail so blatantly.

Oh, and thanks everyone for answering my question about the thunder. I guess
I'm another example of the USAs lousy science education system; I was told
it was due to the air being split by the lightningbolt.

--Semhaza
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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Robinton & Film Comments 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 21:24:40 +0000


In article <92317.185529IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20902@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

>Re: Robinton's drinking..
>Well, you're right there, he never did drink to excess, at least to my recollec
>tion, but he did -act- in such a way a few times, I remember another I think,
>with his acting a lot more drunk than he was in actiality.. I think he was
>drinking w/Fandarel on one occasion. Dunno.

It was with Lytol, just after Jaxom has Impressed, 'cos after Lytol's
asleep someone talks to Robinton and he gets up (I think it was Lessa).
He makes the commemt "Me, drunk?  Only the Smith has the, er, capacity!"
That's from memory...

Yes, Robinton was *not* a lush - he drank a fair bit, but could carry
his wine (internally as well as in the bottle!).

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From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:30:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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>Article #2402 (2404 is last):
>From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
>Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
>Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs... 
>Date: Mon Nov 23 07:55:08 1992
>
>In article <722304362snz@keris.demon.co.uk>, chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>> 
>> (lotsa deleted)
>> 
>> On a related topic, what (human) birth control is available on Pern?
>> Lessa mentions that "The hold girls are convinced it's immoral to abort"
>> - how do they do abortions?  There's no invasive surgery on Pern.  Is
>> there a natural drug?  How about prevention - is there a natural
>> contraceptive drug?  (There is in Valdemar, but that's a different
>> universe).  The 'rhythm' method won't work, when a dragon could rise at
>> any time...
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>
>I beleive the Japanese have an herb that can induce abortion and have used
>it for a number of centuries. Maybe somebody else could expand on that. The
>Pernese probably have something similar.
>
>Joe
>01fortec@ac.dal.ca

   Around the 1890's or so there was a method of abortion available even in 
areas where most people were poor enough not to have access to doctors. I 
recall reading that it was used on occasion by prostitutes, who couldn't risk
losing their jobs for that amount of time. It involved a certain kind of
seaweed- I think it was one of the kelps- being dried and rolled into 
something roughly the size and shape of a pencil. Once this was 
accomplished, it was to be inserted into the appropriate orifice. Its 
subsequent expansion induced uterine contractions to such a degree that the 
objective was accomplished. (It was not a very good method; a lot of women 
died, and others got severe infections from it... but it was there.)
   Can't vouch for Japan, though.
-- 
"In place of your dream of an omniscient automaton, accept the fact that
any knowledge man acquires is acquired by his own will and effort, and that
_that_ is his distinction in the universe, _that_ is his nature, his 
morality, his glory."  --Atlas Shrugged, p. 1058
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re:Betweening
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:35:00 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


"betweening" to me always seems like a dragon is going to an alternate
dimension which allows them to make a shortcut in ours.  I used to equate the
cold blackness to space until ATWOP came out.:)  So now, I think it's a
dimensional thing.  Of course they could be warping.:)  

*grin* Imagine a wing suddenly whooshing into a blur and explode into a Star
Trek burst of light.:):):)

As for actual effects I have no idea.  When I imagined it while reading, I
imagined them just blinking out--no sound, no fanfare--just dissappearing.
*shrug*

That's a "Hey! Lady McCaffery!!!!!" question.

Question for the group: Any fan fluff allowed on pern in this group, or is it
all MUD/MUSHING around?

--Akane 

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From: fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (A figment of your imagination)
Subject: Pern Books, Posters
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:43:56 GMT


Pern Book:

For those looking for an inexpensive hardcover book of 
"All the Weyrs of Pern" you can order it for $5.95 U.S. 
plus $3 U.S. for shipping and handeling (if you order 12
different books that shiping should cover all 12 of them) From:

Edward R Hamilton
Bookseller
Falls Village, Ct 06031-5000

Their invotory changes fast sometimes, so I don't know how
long they will have that book. Write to them and ask for
their catalog. The pern book is under the Sci-Fi section
and the order number was:
#794880 All the Weyrs of Pern $5.95
------------
Pern Posters:

You can get all 3 of Mark Ferrari's illustrations used for the
cover art in the Dragonflight Graphic novels from:

Dancing Dragon
5670 West End Road, #4
Arcata, Ca 95521-9202

Phone: 1-800-322-0640

The posters are 22" X 34" in size and cost $15.00 U.S. each. 
The shiping varies. The ordering numbers are:
PC101    "Lissa and the Dragon"
PC102    "Dragon Dance"
PC103    "Dragons Fighting Thread"


------------
You can also get Michael Whelan's  "White Dragon" for $10.00 U.S.
sixe 24" X 17" from:

Glass Onion Graphics
P.O. Box 88
Brookfield, CT 06804 U.S.A.

Phone: 203-798-6063

the order number is:
WH-02  The White Dragon  Unmatted, borderless  $10.00

If anyone else knows of any other places that sell Sci-fi or 
or fantasy posters or art work, please send me the address.
(even if its not Pern related)

                         Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska
                       Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu
                      NeXT Mail: fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu
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From: GRANTH@brownvm.brown.edu (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Who is Jody Lynn Nye?
Keywords: Margaret Ball, Collaboration
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:44:25 GMT
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In article <page-171192103850@pulsar.sas.upenn.edu>,
page@student.physics.upenn.edu (Chris Page) said:
>Posted on 17 Nov 1992 at 10:45:48 by Chris Page
>
>Re: Who is Jody Lynn Nye?
>
>In article <1eabc9INN2dr@network.ucsd.edu>, rr@chem.ucsd.edu (Roxanne
>Rohmann) wrote:
>> I'm just curious about the recent books Ann McCaffrey has been
>> co-authoring with other people.  Why did she decide to go that
[clip]
>
>Sassinak (with Elizabeth Moon)
>The Death of Sleep (with Jody Lynn Nye)
>Generation Warriors (with Elizabeth Moon)
>Crisis on Doona (with Jody Lynn Nye)
>Partnership (with Margaret Ball)
>The Ship who Searched (with Mercedes Lackey)
>
>It seemed like she might have been doing this to give some new
>female authors more name recognition, but this doesn't seem
>to wash with her writing a book with Lackey. Nye (Mythology 101,
>etc) and Moon (Sheepfarmer's Daughter, Divided Allegiances, Oath
>of Gold, Surrender None, Liar's Oath, and one other) both are
>published authors. I have not seen any books out by Ball yet.

Margaret Ball has a book out (through Baen, I believe,) called
_Flameweaver_.  It's an interesting work, but does read like an
expansion of a novella.  The plot/setting/characterizations were about
a 'B' level (not bad for 1st-timer).

>Interestingly enough, I personally thought Sassinak was far worse
>than any books done individually by either Moon or McCaffrey,
Agreed.  More like committe work than collabboration. :-)
[clip to end]

>-Chris Page
>page@student.physics.upenn.edu
Grant Hogarth
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs... 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:19:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

>On a related topic, what (human) birth control is available on Pern?
>Lessa mentions that "The hold girls are convinced it's immoral to abort"
>- how do they do abortions?  There's no invasive surgery on Pern.  Is
>there a natural drug?  How about prevention - is there a natural
>contraceptive drug?  (There is in Valdemar, but that's a different
>universe).  The 'rhythm' method won't work, when a dragon could rise at
>any time...

Just a short trip Between, holding your dragon there for a few
extra seconds, appears to be enough to cause an abortion. Women
of the Weyrs just need to find an amiable rider.

Kylara uses this trick (or at least thinks about how she has used
it) in DQ.

Joshua
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From: sandman@sx.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Robinton & Film Comments
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:30:51 GMT
Reply-To: sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk (sandman)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Ok Ok peter O tool can play drunk, and has a flamboyant voice...

But can he sing  *arrrggghhh*

Doesn't A.MC. have a friend who Robintons bassed on?.. Robinson or something??




 - The Sandman
From: mccall@Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:44:30 GMT
Reply-To: mccall@oswego.Oswego.EDU (D. Todd Mccall)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

From either Dragonflight or either Dragonquest : (I'm paraphrasing here)

F'lar states that if greens didnt chew firestone they could reproduce, but
that they'd hatch only small dragons, and that it was a good thing that the
firestone kept them sterile, because considering the amorous tendencies of
greens, the weyr would be overflowing with little dragons in no time.

This is a rough paraphrase, but the content is essentially retained.

-Jalnar/ Senior Apprentice smith @ PernMUSH 


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From: eog@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vicki Finkenstadt)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...
Summary: Gene-link sterility in greens
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:27:21 GMT

In article <92Nov17.213722.33783@acs.ucalgary.ca>, elparr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ellen Louise Parr) writes:
> Sorry if this has been asked a thousand times...but can or cannot
> green dragons reproduce?  My friends and I are under the
> impression that they can as long as they have not eaten
> firestone, but I have heard that they are born sterile.  I can't
> find anything in the Dragon Lover's Guide, and I don't remember
> anything in the books that says they are born sterile...I was
> told that it may have been mentioned in DragonsDawn, but my copy
> is out on loan...
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -- 
> Tanna, Rider of Gold Lauraeth, Sr. Weyrwoman of Ista@DragonsFire MUSE
> And all around lovable person! :)
> 
>      

M'lady,

The green dragons' sterility was mentioned to be genetically-linked
to the consumption of firestone.
So, I suppose, that if a green did not participate in flaming, the green
could produce a clutch.
However, F'lar mentioned that the clutch would be small and only the smaller
dragons would be laid in the shell. 

Corollary question: Do greens contain the genetic code for all dragons,
just as the bronzes/golds in Dragonsdawn did?

My respects and regards,

Philemon, Weyrwoman j.g. of Fort Weyr @DragonsFire MUSE
Rider of Gold Magdaleth
"She of the VERY belated hatching"    :)
From: z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: re: Green Dragons and Eggs...(Oh my!)
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:59:22 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


I believe green dragons can reproduce when they are off firestone, but the
eggs will be smaller.  Also there won't be any gold eggs, hardly any bronzes. 
Pretty much like the difference between a green firelizards clutch versus a
golds'.  

With greens rising as fast as they do, there would be an influx of smaller and
not as robust dragons with the higher colors sadly lacking.

jaa ne, Akane

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From: tyrie@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Tyrie Grubic)
Subject: Re: Green Dragons and Eggs...(Oh my!)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:36:31 GMT

z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
: 
: I believe green dragons can reproduce when they are off firestone, but the
: eggs will be smaller.  Also there won't be any gold eggs, hardly any bronzes. 
I believe you are misremembering a reference.  In the DLG, it is mentioned
that a brown-gold flight will never produce any gold eggs, and few bronze
eggs.  Green FireLizards ONLY produce green eggs. Of course, these are not
the rules followed by the MU*s, but that was not the question.

: Pretty much like the difference between a green firelizards clutch versus a
: golds'.  

Even the in the games, green FireLizards do not produce bronzes.

T'lilah, Rider of Brown Ogreth, DragonsFire
Tyrie J. Grubic