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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: GEORGE HERBERT AWW, WHO'S READING THIS ANYWAY???
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:24:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct15.115051.4839@desire.wright.edu> f0358@desire.wright.edu writes:
>Well, at least someone has the balls to say it...George Bush definitely screwed
>up this time with his attack on Clinton...Facts:
>
>1). Clinton was a Rhodes scholar in England when he protested the Vietnam war.
> According to Bush, it wasn't the fact that he demonstrated against his
>country, but that he was on foreign soil...What's the point? I suppose that if

One...He never finished his studies. Why, he was out protesting.

Two...with American POWs being totured in North Vietnam, he supported
the enemy. 

Three...if he brought his fat ass back to the US he have been inducted
so fast his head would spin.

Four...I don't care if he protested in the US, but to ferment anti-US
sentiment abroad that's treasonous.

>2). When Clinton was in Moscow, he was there during I believe Christmas
>break...Moscow and other Soviet cities were favorite vacation spots for Oxford
>and other English university students...What's the point???? If I had been a
>Rhodes scholar at that time, sense of American pride would not have stopped me
>from visiting a beautiful and historic setting such as Moscow or Leningrad...
>

One...The USSR was the major backer of NV agression. By visiting
the Soviet Union he showed support for their policy.

Two...he says he doesn't remember what he did.  If I went to the
USSR you'd be sure I'd remember it.  Especially if I went during the
height of the Cold War.
>
>And let's discuss the affair with the CIA getting this information in the first
>place!!!

If I was at war with a country, Cold or Hot, I'd be damn sure to
keep an eye on my citizens visiting that country.
-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: post from soc.culture.lebanon
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:38:55 GMT

In article <BvporJ.F5r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey
Dianne Layng) writes:
>This is in response to the guilt trip laid on Americans at the end of the
>soc.culture.lebanon article. And yes, it is a flame.

Tracy, no need to flame.

I know that Americans are looking for their interest. I would be surprised if
they did anything alse!

It is up to you to decide what your interests are.

once you have done so, make sure that your presidents act accordingly.

It is clear that the US has inetrests in international politics. yet it is not
clear what they are, and it is not clear that your representatives really tell
you what it is all about.

To give you an example: it took a small Lebanese newspaper to uncover
Iran-gate. As a metter of fact, it was ever since the beginning of the
Iran-Irak war an open secret among Lebanese and most Middle Easternes that
Israel sold weapons to Iran while the US sold to Irak.

It made sense, since it was/ is in Israel's interest to make both countries
weak. I would have been surpised if Israel did anything else.

The point should be the following: Armericans should decide on the foreign
policy, and make their responsibles questionable on the issue. I will not
decide on the content of the wishes of the US citizens.

Therfore don't see my article as a guilt trip. But I am trying to point out
that as a superpower, you people are involved actively or inderiectly.
Therefore you must make clear decisions on what you want, and bear the
consequenses. 

Very few American presidents get kidnapped here and there because of the way
they lead foreign policy. It is the US citizens who bear the job loses, the
shootings as a result of bad foreign policy. I hope that this world will one
day get rid of all terrorists whom ever they may be and which ever form they
take. So don't misunderstand me. As a Lebanese, I have many positive things to
say about the US. Yet, it is its foreign policy that stinks, and this in my
eyes. My question is then, does this policy represent your wishes as Americans?
If so, I would tell you, you as an American your policy stinks. But I have a
hunch, that very many Americans do not know much about the Middle East or other
places in the world. Yet their choices of presidents and representatives
affects the world, and especially effects you Americans in relation to the
world.

In short "how do you want to relate to the world?" while choosing a preseident
or representative, it could be wise to keep this in mind.

>
>
>Tracey
>UIUC
>
>
>
>(Don't tell me that I should travel outside the US for I have traveled to
>Europe and Southeast Asia.)
>


I have never been to South East Asia, it is surely a nice place.

elie wardini
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Subject: Re: Woops: Re: States of U.S.A.
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:23:09 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:

> In article <frank2.24@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>, frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za 
> > Yesterday I posted a response to the original query, thinking for some 
> > reason that the USA really had 52 states. I have since been unable to find 
> > any reference that supports this - so I can only conclude that I was 
> > embarrasingly incorrect. 
> 
> On the other hand, perhaps there will be 52 states in the not too distant
> future.  Washington DC and Puerto Rico have long been bandied about as
> possible candidates for statehood; other American territories such as
> Guam and the US Virgin Islands are possibilities, as well.
> 
> Any bets on if and when DC and PR become states?
> 

Puerto Rico has brought this question to a vote at least once, and voted down
statehood.  Maybe if it comes up again, it may pass.  Who knows?  It is up
to the people of Puerto Rico.  I don't think DC will become a state.  The
idea that DC is a District, not a state is so that as the capitol, it
remains neutral.  So I don't see it becoming a state, nor do I think it
should.


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From: csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN)
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:01:35 GMT

In article <Bw72MH.909@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
>csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct15.053300.2474@muddcs.claremont.edu> weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett) writes:
>>>In article <14OCT92.21213487@vax.clarku.edu> hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>>In a previous article, sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[stuff deleted]

>>>	Men are required to pay child support of they get put in jail. I'd
>>>call that paying.
>
>>Well, Gee, then why has my ex-husband still running around after 4 years
>>of not paying child support.  He's married again, with three step
>>children, while I have to worry if the Republicans get into power will
>>I be able to live without medicaid, without food stamps, and without AFDC.
>
>>oh. btw, I put him thru college.
>
>Your choices, his choices, aren't you glad you're pro-choice?

I'm pro-choice, not anti-responsibility.

Anyway, it was to re-butt the statement that dead beat dads are put into
jail.

>> stuff deleted
>
>Yep, before RvW, this sort of thing was exceedingly rare.  Now men
>have the gall to think they have a right to choose whether or not
>to be responsible for their actions.  Nasty bastards.  Deadbeat Dads.
>
>Steve Kellmeyer
>-- 

Yeah, Steve, sigh...and before we bra-burning feminist got into the
act, I would have been forced to stay in an abusive relationship --
where this "man" not only beat me up on a regular basis, but my sister,
his mother and my mother as well.

Steve, just curious, do you go to bad at night thanking some higher
power that you weren't born a woman, and that you can run around being a
juvenile the rest of your life??


>Steve Kellmeyer 
>kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: 86
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:00:00 GMT

In article <lda2epINN4g3@news.bbn.com>, rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes...
>It means "to throw someone out", usually of a barroom.
>I'm not sure where it originated--anyone know more?

In particular, does it derive from the same symbolism of numerals
as bodies the way "69" does? If so, the "8" would presumably
represent a female.
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From: mojo@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: USA, the junk culture
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:58:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.045628.29318@leland.Stanford.EDU> yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
>I agree with the fact that the trashiness or junkiness or baseness  
>(however you want to put it) of American narratives, and American arts  
>(not Art) in general, is a big problem and could possibly be the cause for  
>much of the misconceived attitudes and ideas that America as a nation and  
>Americans as individuals infortunately have today.
>
>I just watched "Romancing the Stone", and I has happy to see that it was  
>really a terrible movie.  It is loaded with assumptions, myths, and  
>prejudices.  Some of them I can name below:
>- Miss Wilder's savior in the middle of the Columbian countryside is an  
>American
>- The symbol of power which allows the "good guys" to escape from the  
>Columbian offficials, is, in the middle of the Columbian countryside  
>again, a Ford Pickup. and American car.
>- The antagonists, are Columbian, or dark skinned Americans.
>- They are very "cruel" and ill-meaning, but never achieve anything and  
>are in fact treated in a much more cruel way by the "good guys" 
>- The whole plot itself is inspired with prejudice and jingoism: it is  
>that two Americans go to Columbia kill off bothersome local officials, and  
>run away to make it rich with the stolen historic national heritage of a  
>developping nation.

You certainly have contracted the disease of Political Correctness.
It is a mental illness peculiar to the West Coast of the United
States of America. If you journey without the borders of this insular
region, you will be confronted by the peasants of whom you speak.
They will spit upon your Birkenstocks, and grope your pockets while leering
knowingly at your posture of Enlightened Liberator.

The only cure for this mental affliction is to obtain a copy of
'Wooly Bully' by Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs. They are a reliable
team of Denver area PC deprogrammers. A few hundred plays at 200 db + should
do the trick. Suck down some cheap American wine while you're at it.


Mojo
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From: thchemb4@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: 86
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:34:56 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I'm not quite sure if this is the right place to ask, but,....

what does the (seemingly purely American) verb to '86' mean?
is it something to do with  to '69'?
or have I just mis-heard the thing?

thanx in advance
Tom Weston
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,talk.abortion
From: csulaima@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CYNTHIA R SULAIMAN)
Subject: Some information (Re: Abortion and Ethnic Purging) 
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:45:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.042429.24271@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.211714.9170@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes ...
>>> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>>>c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes ...

>>>The Jews, Bosnians, Nazis, Serbs etc. were involved in some form of
>>>genocide or the other whether it be doing the killing or being killed.  In
>>>each case, the rights of each person to life was violated.  The rights
>>>of the Nazis, etc. to have "wanted" humans took precedence over the
>>>rights of the Jews, Catholics, etc. to live.  The Nazis, etc. actively
>>>killed the Jews, etc. because they were perceived to have no right to life.
>>
>>The Jews were killed because they were greedy and thieves and because
>>they were clearly subhuman.  The Bosnians are being killed because the 
>>Serbs are defending themselves.  And black South Africans were not

The Serbs are involoved in Ethnic Cleansing, not defending themselves.
Many Bosnians are Muslims, and Muslims around the world beleive now
that there is an active (Western) policy supporting/calling for 
their genocide.  The Gulf War helped gain this view more acceptance.

>>being discriminated against any more than cows are discriminated
>>against.  In none of these cases did people believe they were doing
>>anything but the most noble actions.  Just like you.
>>(and no, I don't hold any of these beliefs personally)
>>
>The "noble" actions of these people often involved killing.  Those who
>supported the specialness of human life no matter what age, form, color
>or creed, wanted them to stop killing even if those who killed thought
>that they wanted to produce only "wanted" people.  These people recognized
>the humanity of all humans even if certain people wanted to take away
>their rights, most important amongst them, the right to life.  Many 
>justifications were made, as you said, humans were more like cows, or
>that these individuals were greedy and like thieves.  But nonetheless, the
>Nazis and the Serbs continued to do ethnic purging because they removed
>humanity and a human's right to life away.
>

I would be interested to see where you have stood on recent military
actions by this and other countires during the last 10 years.

CRS



Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Dion Francois)
Subject: POLL: Canadians as seen by Americans. Please read.
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:50:56 GMT

Hi,
    I just saw an interview on TV of people who were asked:

Do you know there's a referendum in Canada?

What is it about?

Do you know what it implies for you?(these questions were asked in Vermont,
Maine and some other states with big trades with Canada)

Do you think it's important for the US to do trades with Canada?

Some people couldn't answer any of that, so they asked a last question:

Do you know who is the prime minister of Canada?

So why am i posting that here? well i'd like it if you could answer to that
question ASAP. It's for a news bulletin for our student radio station. (see
my .sig).

I will post the answers that the TV station got. I will also post your answer if
you want it only. So please hit 'R' or whatever your news reader uses for
replying.

Thanks,
--
Francois Dion
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From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Vote for the Good King!!! Yeah, right...
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:55:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.98041
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

Looks like Bush is not going to make it this November...:-(

I am so disgusted with everything, especially with the shameless hounding of
Mr. Bush by the media, and I can't even vote. AARRRGH!

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    //// shimkevich@A1.tch.harvard.edu //
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: DEMOCRACY FOR ECONOMICS
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:34:39 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Oct6.171212.1566@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>                           DEMOCRACY FOR ECONOMICS
>               First, ALL corporation$ must be REPLACED with COOPERA-
>          TIVES.

>               Second, require the ELECTION, rather than appointment, 
>          of ALL financial, economic, and banking officials.

>               Third, establish a GUARANTEED MONTHLY INCOME, just 
>          enough for basic food, clothing, and shelter costs, given to 
>          each and EVERY person REGARDLESS of his or her wealth, wages, 
>          salary, or other earnings.

> 	   CREATE the money for this OUT OF 
>          "THIN AIR" by simply having computers OFFICIALLY print out 
>          and mail monthly allowance checks.

  Yeah! Do it! Do it!

  We Europeans and the Japanese will divide your former part of the world
market:)

>                                         Robert E. McElwaine

-bertil-
--
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Presidential Leadership
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:05:33 GMT

jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl) writes:

>Who says George isn't senile?  He didn't even know about UPC
>scanners at supermarkets.  Talk about out of touch.  I hear
>QUAYLEE talk about the "misery index" alot, but they have not
>done anything about it.  VETO GEORGE BUSH!!

While I have my problems with Bush, this statement is not correct nor fair.
What Bush was surprised by was the ability of the scanner to read damaged
bar codes. 

 -Steve
--
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Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 10:38:09 MDT
From: gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Of states
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu

r2d@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.del monaco) writes:

> Also, for you trivia nuts:  which states were once independent nations?
> Good luck.

   Hmm.. Texas, California, and Hawaii come to mind, though I'm not
sure about California.
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
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From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: Ethics and Bush
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 07:30:45 GMT

In article <Bw77M1.J9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dummy@a.b.c.d writes:
>Anybody know the actual relationship between George Bush,
>his brother, and Deng Xiao Ping?
>
>I have heard rumors out of China and Taiwan hinting at
>large profits and questionable ethics.  I have seen nothing
>in the media and have no idea if George Bush's brother has
>any relationship with anyone in China.  If the claims have
>any basis in truth I can not see him staying in the race.

Firstly, Nowadays, the media will jump on Bush for anything and
anytime.  I wouldn't worry about it.

Secondly, why would you believe sole-source China for a 'rumor'?  That
is rediculous!  I tell you what I learned when I was in China.  Local
people matter-of-factly told me: 1) The government was too good to the
students (Tian'anmen Square event) that no one was punished even
though they hurted the soldiers! (shown TV snap-shots of bare-hand
students pushing back the armed guards).  2) The US had no night to
bomb Iraq because Iraq refused to sell oil to the US!  (again, shown
UN Coalition's bombard of Baghdad).

What can I say?  I responded with a smile.  So you should do the same
for those rumors.

>For obvious reasons I make this and anonymous post.
>If the rumors are false, I am sorry for making this post
>but the average man (myself included) has no way to
>determine the truth other then asking the question

For obvious reasons, that is how a rumor started.

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
From: irr@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Death penalty
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:08:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: lub001.1992Oct16.110803.1666
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont


 (Josef Moellers) writes:
>Hi,

>I recently had a discussion with my mother about death penalties.
>Well, it was more of a debate, she being pro, me being against death
>penalties.
>I have many reasons why I'm against it, most of which she won't accept:
>- If we accuse them of killing, we can't kill ourselves,
>- The bible sais "Thou shalt not kill" (Commandment # 5?)
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Actually it says: "You shall not murder" Exodus 20:13 NASB
   Moreover, in Genesis 9:5, God instructs Noah as to the governing rules
   in the post-deluge world (remember the blood lust prior to the flood?)
   by saying: "Whoever sheds man's blood,
               By man his blood shall be shed,
               For in the image of God
               He made man."

   Don't use the bible(out of context) to support your anti-death penalty
   stance as you will find youself "without a leg to stand on".  Remember that
   the theocratic nation of Israel was under the "death penalty" 
   (as instructed by God in Leviticus 20) for things such as:
               Violating the Sabbath
               Adultery
               Bestiality
               Cursing/Striking your father/mother
               Incest
               Homosexuality

   In conclusion, remember the words of King Solomon:
    "Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed quickly,
    therefore the hearts of the sons of men among them are given fully to
    do evil."  Ecclesiastes 8:11


>- Life is such a valuable thing, we should just not take it.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                  ie. Created in the image of God---> this is exactly why
                  we are commanded to take it.  ( Upon the testimony of 2 or 3
                  eye witnesses.)

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