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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Deportation by British (was Re: God Save your Queen)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:06:58 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <12412@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>
>They tried to expell them in Acadia with considerable success but
>failed when they realized that there were more french-canadians than
>english-canadians in "British" North America, and that the
>french-canadians could easily (in a case were force was used) look at
>the americans for help.
>
I'm confused by your use of the word "failed."  Are you suggesting that
there was an attempt to deport French Canadians, similar to the
deportation of the Acadians, but that this attempt failed?  Can
you provide more details?

What time period are you speaking of?  In the period immediately
following the Seven Years War, I believe that the Americans
would have enthusiasticly supported a mass deportation of French
Canadians.  They were far more anti-Canadien than the British.
Indeed, the generosity of the Quebec Act of 1774 toward the French-
Canadian population was seen as intolerable by the Americans and
was one of the causes of the American Revolution.

In the period during and after the American Revolution, I
suppose the Americans would have supported the French Canadians
against the British.  This would probably have resulted in
Canada becoming part of the United States.  Considering the fate
of the French populations in New England and Louisiana, do you
think this would have been a good thing for the survival of
French in North America?

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: "F/E" versus "Bienvenue/Welcome"
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:01:27 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <12355@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>In article thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:
>-Re-Action Quebec, in the Eastern Townships,
>-has printed signs reading "Bienvenue/Welcome"
>-that have been posted by many shopkeepers
>-outside Montreal.  These signs are illegal.
>
>Is this true? A sign saying Bienvenue/Welcome is illegal? If it is, it
>                                                       Francois Audet
>                                                           '
>                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM

Je suis passe dans le quartier chinois de Montreal hier.  Il y avait plein
d'affiches bilingues chinois-francais, ceci au neon et tres propre
(c'est-a-dire tres recent).  Donc, il y a d'un cote la loi, et de l'autre
son application.  C'est comme la limite de vitesse : 100 km/h alors que
tout le monde roule a 110 ou 115.  Il y a toujours une zone de tolerance.
Dans le quartier chinois (et ailleurs), le cote culturel facilite un tel
affichage culturel.  Mais, c'est quand un tel affichage est fait uniquement
dans le but de denigrer les francophones qui veulent se donner un pays,
dans le but d'etre arrogant, c'est inacceptable.  C'est jouer avec les
sentiments tout en rejetant le nationalisme quebecois en disant qu'il
est aussi base sur des sentiments.

-- 
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 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Barthelemy Jarret (1471) -> Andre Jarret, sieur de Beauregard (1665)
\_.-===   -> Denis Beauregard (1992)                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Monument to de Gaulle
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:38:04 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 677

From article <1992Jul23.160526.1822@pandora.matrox.com>,
by thood@corvus.matrox.com
 Thomas Hood writes:-

> Recently, a monument to Charles de Gaulle was unveiled in
> Montreal with some fanfare.
> 
> ...
>

  I wonder how many people with a bad taste in their mouth (excuse
  the metamorphosed metaphor) are looking for a city disposal site
  for old cans of paint. :-)

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general
Subject: Re: Olympic Musing
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:13:30 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1849

From article <Bs2M4J.9I6@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 Denis Beauregard writes:-

> In article <1992Jul27.154040.11394@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca
> Steve Potter writes:
>>From article <Bs217F.6Fy@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>> Denis Beauregard protests:-
>>
>>> As for Olympic spirit, I am very disappointed to see (again, sigh)
>>> the federal government using the event to promote politics.\
>>> The advertisement is showing all those Olympic athletes and says
>>> how great Canada is.  This is crap and abusing the olympic spirit.
>>> Without Canada, Quebec athletes would say they are representing
>>> Quebec, that's all.  Olympic spirit is supposedly related to the
>>> athlete and the individual (or participating team), not to countries
>>> or political bodies.
>>>
>>
>>  Quebec isn't a country.
> Out of subject here.
> 
>>
>>  Athletes from Quebec, Ontario, B.C., etcetera are all representing
>>  Canada.
>>
>>  For my part, I wish them the best of luck and hope they are all proud
>>  to represent Canada - whatever province they come from.
>>
>>  You are seing things through smoked glasses again, Denis.
>>
> The point here is that the Federal government is constantly trying to
> use _propaganda_ in favor of Canada.  This is politics and there is
> no relation with the Olympic spirit.  What point, main of my posting,
> you just forget.
> 

  As I said, "smoked glasses"!

  Anything promoting a good feeling for Canada is propoganda as far
  as people like Denis are concerned.

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: canada is too great a
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:13:59 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

stephanie.fysh@canrem.com (stephanie fysh) writes:

>It's my
>view that a truly "representative" government represents not only the
>individuals who voted for them, but the social groups that make up
>society at large.  Obviously, you disagree.
>- Stephanie.

The Senate is being redesigned to represent groups that have already
been distinguished politically: provinces and aboriginal nations.

Although women and men have not been distinguished as groups by
constitution, it is worth thinking about doing so.

What would you think of a Senate in which half of each delegation
was women elected by women, half men elected by men?

--
Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: the rights of steve p
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:08:33 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: can
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

[much deleted...]
SCP>  I landed in September, 1980; I was very definitely NOT "loyalement preven
SCP>  (carefully warned) anything; there was no CONTRACT.
SCP>  I was advised, in passing, that any children I might have would be
SCP>  expected to attend French school in Quebec.

[more deleted...]

SCP>    Immigration department officials are not making the situation clear to
SCP>    potential newcomers to this country.

[more deleted...]

Sorry, Steve, but it looks to me like you *were* told your children
would be "expected to attend French school."  And I completely fail to
see how this harms them.  If you use English at home, take your kids to
English movies, read English books and newspapers, they are *not* going
to lose their language.  Instead, they will end up *truely* bilingual,
able to function fully in both French and English.  A "second language"
is *not* the same thing at all.

I've been staying out of this one until now, but I'd hate to have you
think that silence means full support.

- Stephanie.
---
  SLMR 2.1a  My Canada includes a distinct Quebec.
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: "F/E" versus "Bienvenue/Welcome"
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:41:35 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article (Mark Anthony Young) writes:
>If this is so, why did "McKenna's Flowers" have to go to court and
>eventually repaint their sign to read "Les fleurs McKenna"?

I'm no law expert, but I would think that the name of the business was
"McKenna" instead of "McKenna's Flowers".

BTW: It doesn't mean I agree with forcing the businessman to change
the name of its store.

-- 
                                                       Francois Audet
                                                           '
                                      Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: viking@bnr.ca (Harold Henriksen)
Subject: Re: canada is too great a
Reply-To: viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:56:13 GMT

While I can understand those who feel their needs are not being addressed
due to biases on the part of those in power, I don't go for the idea of half
the seats being female just because the population is about half female.  The
biggest problem is not that suggestion per se but that it becomes an opening
wedge in a broader fracturing of society.  When do we start mandating black seats,
French female seats, geriatric male aboriginal seats ... ?  And if we did who would
speak for the country rather than the special interest group that elected them?
I know, what politician now speaks for the country?  The point is that we already
are fractured linguistically, geographically, politically and economically.  There
doesn't really seem much point to this country aside from sentiment and paranoia
towards the US.  Why put more fractures in a structure that is already in serious
trouble? 
--
Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 

Pillaging and plundering were more fun than programming!
(Opinions are not my employer's and sometimes not mine)
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: dmongrai@gandalf.ca (Dan Mongrain)
Subject: Re: Bilingualism at universities (was Re: Bla, bla)
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:10:32 GMT

In <12443@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:

>In article (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>>  Could you provide your definition of 'bilingual', please, Francois.

>Une universite qui se dit bilingue doit offrir tous ces programmes en
>francais ET en anglais, pas un OU l'autre (surtout quand cette
>universite pretend que ces programmes sont bilingues).

>-- 

Bonjour Francois, comment ca va?

     Je n'ai aucun probleme que l'Universite d'Ottawa n'offre pas tout ses
cours en francais ET en anglais dans un meme programme.  Mon gros probleme
etait que les etudiants anglais n'etaient pas obliges de suivre un/plusieurs
cours dans leur langue seconde alors que nous francophones devions obligatoi-
rement suivre plusieurs cours en anglais.  Pour moi, une universite bilingue
devrait offrir des programmes bilingues.

>                                                       Francois Audet
>                                                           '
>                                      Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
>                          Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM


                                                Daniel Mongrain
                                                dmongrai@hobbit.gandalf.ca
From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Quebec income tax
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:03:02 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <Bry9uv.A8B@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>In article <24JUL92.09095754.0227@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
>>>
>>>  > Income tax forms are available in English, though my gratitude for
>>>  > having to fill out two forms, when everyone else in Canada has
>>>
>>But *why* does everyone have to do it?  That's what no one has ever
>>explained to me.  It gives Quebec no real independence in setting
>>tax policy, since it follows almost every change in the tax system
>>which Ottawa decides on.  It inconveniences all of us, French and
>>English speaking alike, every April.  It provides jobs for the
>>employees of the Quebec Ministry of Revenue.  But who else benefits?
>>
>
>Before WW II, we were filling only one form, Quebec one.  Quebec was
>subsidizing Canada indeed.  So, Canada is the one that should not
>have her separate form and leave this to Quebec.  Any Ministry that
>should be adjusted to every province should not exist at the Federal level!
>
Federal income tax began during World War I, not World War II.  When
did provincial income tax begin?  And how does this relate to
"Quebec subsidizing Canada"?

Now, I understand that you're an independantiste, so you want to do
away with the federal government entirely in Quebec, and only pay
Quebec income tax.  Fine.  But do I understand correctly that
even in a federal system, you think there should only be a provincial
income tax form?  How would this work?  Would there be no federal
income tax?  If so, how would the federal government be financed?
Or would the federal tax be computed as a percentage of the provincial
tax (just the opposite of the system now in use in all provinces
except Quebec)?  This would inevitably mean different rates of federal
tax in different provinces.  Surely this would be politically
unacceptable.  What do you mean by a ministry being "adjusted to
every province"?

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Richard Holden & compulsory by-elections
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:33:33 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1472

From article <12404@audetf>, by audetf@Software.Mitel.COM
 Francois Audet writes-

> In article jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
>>
>>Yes, they were elected but not for the Bloc-Quebecois.  If you had voted
>>Conservative because you believed in Federalism wouldn't you be pissed off
>>if your Conservative MP suddenly switched to the Bloc Quebecois?
> 
> Well, if you had voted for the conservatives because you tought that
> they would better represent Quebec than the liberal, and that
> suddently, their chief told its MPs to shut up and don't have an
> opinion, you would also be upset. The MPs who "switched" decided that
> their fidelity was for the people who voted for them, not a political
> party.
> 

  Francois has a valid point here. 

  What of our Clifford "Rights are rights are rights"  Lincoln?

  A person may be elected by his constituents on his own merit even if
  he rides a party platform.

  How would we judge dissent from party policy in terms of shift from
  electoral position?

  Clifford Lincoln did play cricket!

  I was saddened by his departure but I understood his reasons.

  Why can't the others be as honest?

-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
From: mede@alfred.carleton.ca (Meghan Ede)
Subject: Re: Bla, bla
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:11:41 GMT

RE: Schooling in Quebec

I am suprised that no-one has mentioned economics.

In Canada, school taxes are based on property values, which
are based, roughly, on income.  It is important for all school
systems to ensure that relatively wealthy people live in the area
to support the local school boards.

In Quebec, up until fairly recently, the English controlled
amounts of money quite out of proportion to their population,
and managed to restrict this money to their relatively much
smaller school poplultions, further exagerating the economic
differences between school boards.

This situation is not novel to Canada.  In the United States,
the question of integration and busing was based as much on
a desire to integrate the Black and White populations as it was
to spread the wealth directed towards education more evenly.

Steve Potter is experiencing the forced busing of his children,
as so many did in the States.  

I think that fundamentally, the Quebec government does not care
whether Steve Potter sends his kids to a French school or to a
English one with French Immersion, so long as he continues to send
his tax dollars to the french board.

Quebec is undergoin profound changes that the little amount of time
Steve Potter has been here may not reveal. Up until the 1960s,
science and econimic education were virtually impossible to have
in the catholic school boards that most French Quebecers attended.
With the Quiet Revolution came a complete change to the organization
of the schools.

Schools are more expensive to run in French because of the supplies.
Textbooks have a much smaller market, and with the lack of a previous
generation of scintists, usually must be translated or imported.
Quebec is trying to build a sufficient group of academics in a wide
range of disciplines to be able to provide its own textbooks.

Students in English schools will take the easy way out and teach
science in English, rather than doing the hard work of developing
a significant library of French research material and textbooks.
It is important therefore, to ensure that enough people study all
subjects in French to both create a critical mass in those fields
and to create a demand.

Experiments in immersion orf "bilingual education" have proven to be
very poor ways to achieve this critical mass. Science at the 
University of Ottawa, for example, is an English discipline, even
when supposedly offered in french.

These economic explanations for some of the decisions of the
Quebec government are open for comment, but if accepted, lead
the way to new approaches to Steve Potter's problem.

M Ede
13th generation Canadian
Master's student in Human Facotrs
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From: jtrumbull@coast.almanac.bc.ca (Jim Trumbull    )
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:34:20 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Coast Personnel Services Ltd., Nanaimo, B.C.

Repost - Previously posted Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:31:57 PDT

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From: neveu@alcazar.rgl.polymtl.ca (Jean-Sebastien Neveu)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: Re: wanted aupair girl
Keywords: aupair girl, job
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:20:27 GMT
Organization: Recherche en genie logiciel

In article <4424@disuns2.epfl.ch>, lugeon@lsesun3.epfl.ch (Jean-Claude LUGEON) writes in can.jobs :
          ^^^
|> 
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|> 
|> 
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|> 	licence needed. 
|> 
|> 		
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|>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 				
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From: berstel@mipsmath.math.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel)
Newsgroups: qc.jobs.wanted,can.jobs,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Cherche emploi de camionneur a Montreal
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:39:30 GMT
Reply-To: berstel@lacim.uqam.ca (Bruno Berstel)
Followup-To: qc.jobs
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite du Quebec a Montreal

Salut,

Ceci n'est pas une blague...

Mon voisin est un camionneur (semi-remorques) experimente (25 ans de route).
Il est au chomage depuis janvier. Le marche est assez bouche, alors je tente
un appel inhabituel...

J'attends vos propositions dans la region de Montreal.
Merci d'avance (pour lui),
	Bruno.


Hello,

This is not a joke...

My neighbour is a truck-driver with experience (25 years on the road).
He is unemployed since January. The market is dry, so I try an unusual
way...

I'm waiting for your proposals in the region of Montreal.
Thanks in advance (for him),
	Bruno.

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Bruno Berstel                                         berstel@lacim.uqam.ca
Laboratoire de Combinatoire et d'Informatique Mathematique       L.A.C.I.M.
Universite du Quebec a Montreal                                    U.Q.A.M.
(Tele)phone : (514) 987-8495                           Fax : (514) 987-8477
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Newsgroups: can.jobs
From: steveho@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Steve Ho)
Subject: ont.jobs
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:19:49 GMT



	I recall that there was a discussion a couple of months ago in this
newsgroup about how employment policies for Non-Canadians or citizens of other
countries have laxed in Canada for people of certain professions.  Could 
those persons who participated in the above discussion please e-mail me?  
I would like to hear about your experiences.  Any reply or information will 
be very much appreciated.
-- 
Steven Ho, steveho@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca.
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