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From: kunze@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: O'Brien is *NOT* Rank [THE FINALISSIMO]
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:09:48 GMT

Ha, it's gotten to the point of reediculous.  Maybe Keiko's mad at Miles and
playing with his pips!  I mean, we can't deny that they change madly at a
moment's notice...  And we do know they don't always get along.

Why don't we just agree that lieutenant=chief petty officer=chief warrant off-
icer by the 24th century, and that based on the evidence, uniform pips are not
required to be worn--just an old naval tradition hanging around.

It boils down to the fact that the lack of continuity in the TNG writing staff
(and that mainly means consistency in the story editor position) has resulted
in the proverbial "painted into a corner".  However with O'Brien they've 
painted him in *two* corners.  You can *prove* anything you want.  Plenty of
evidence he's a Looey, plenty for somethin' else.

Of course the problem is a new writer at the time of the Rozhenko affair goofed
and threw in a throwaway line about Sergey and Miles being fellow CPO's.
This writer remained, and *of course* he continued to back up his scripted
line making O'B a CPO.  Should he have to watch the first 3 seasons and note
that O'Brien was a Ltjg in E@F and a Lt from then on?  Nah, not when he can
just ignore it, and carry on his merry way.

And as for the 22 years remark--  is anyone paying attention?

O'Brien was commenting to Barclay that he'd been transporting 22 years.
...as in *being* transported!  I've been transporting 28 years in an
automobile.  Does that mean I've been operating an auto since age 0?  I think
not.  Of course you literalists now will insist that O'B is well over 45
years of age.

And finally, I think Scott Gorcey cannot possibly have any "special
connection".  How in the world can you state that Colm Meaney is
costumed in his DS9 uniform?  Realm of Fear shot weeks before DS9.
Anyway, the prepublicity for DS9 has an inverted uni similar to the
Starfleet Academy one.  Boy O'Brien's really out of uniform!
(Did *anyone* get the joke between Data's uni & Jack London's uni?!?!?)

And the beet goes on...
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER... Yeah, sure]
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:07:00 GMT
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Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <chil.718279123@sfu.ca>, chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes...

>You must miss the irony in your own posting. It is the people in the "O'Brien
>is a CPO" camp who have to concoct complicated, often contrived scenarios to
>explain all kinds of things. (Examples: how could a CPO be a Tactical Officer?
>why does a CPO wear Lieutenant's pips? why are there no other noncoms around?
>etc.) I just read a new one about O'Brien's pips being silver, while 
>everyone else's are gold. (Give me a break!)

     Not quite.  We have a simple disagreement: those of us who give
     far more weight to spoken dialogue and scenes know O'Brien is a
     CPO.  Those of you who think COSTUMING is more important have 
     called him a Lieutenant.
     That costuming has now been CORRECTED, as of "Realm of Fear."
     This is in obvious preparation for DS9, where O'Brien will be
     a much more important character - not just a recurring one.
     Because he is a recurring character, small costuming oversights
     remain OVERSIGHTS.  DS9 is shooting concurrently with TNG, so
     this change in O'Brien's costume - correcting the mistake - was
     to be expected.


>Whereas those of us sensible ones in the "O'Brien is a Lt" camp *don't need*
>to sweat over concocting plausible (or implausible) scenarios to explain away
>all the questions. O'Brien is a Lt. O'Brien wears Lt pips. Sergei Roschenko
>calling him a CPO was the YATI. Simple.

     Sure you do.  You can't explain away SPOKEN DIALOGUE as a simple
     mistake and embrace COSTUMING as MAJOR STATEMENT.
     Ridiculous.  
     And now you don't even have that - O'Brien is a CPO, as he has
     been portrayed for several seasons now.  His costume finally
     reflects that.
     Let's remember how long it took for Worf to adopt a gold ship's
     services uniform after he was named Chief of Security...  

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: jeffski@biocon ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Date: 2 Oct 1992 21:31:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. College of Natural Resources
NNTP-Posting-Host: biocon.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Computer. Computer.... -- Mr. Scott, ST:TVH

In article <1992Oct1.160137.12902@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>In article <20664@plains.NoDak.edu> jclark@plains.NoDak.edu (The Master Coder) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.073412.9804@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
>>>And another thing, if all you have to do is say "Computer" what happens
>>>when the word "Computer" comes up in casual conversation?
>>
>Now that you mention it, how is it the computer actually understands and
>responds to all the slang and wry asides uttered by crewmembers talking to
>it? I'm referring to episodes I've seen when Giordi and Bev banter with the
>computer.

I believe it is in Conspiracy where Data is sitting at a terminal,
reviewing information, when he says something to himself. (I think the
word was "fascinating"). The computer asks him for clarification, to
which Data responds (surprised) that he was talking to himself. What
follows is rather amusing, given Data's prediliction to babble; he 
begins a rather lengthly explaination of talking to one's self for the
computer, which interrupts him with something like "understood" or "that
is sufficient".

Also, we have seen them use internal cameras (cant remember the episode
name) and external ones (when the baby space creature bonds to the 
Enterprise).

________
Jeffski.
________
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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Enterprise Crew
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:29:29 GMT

sgoldstein@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>Would someone be willing to post (or e-mail to me) a complete listing of the
>Enterprise crew.  This would include the regular cast as well as other crew
>members who have had recuring parts or appeared in a single episode.

Strange. I was thinking of doing this myself. However, this "project"
belongs more in .misc than .current. Let's move it there.

If someone wants to do season 4, 5, and 6, I could compile the names for
seasons 1, 2, and 3. All of it is going to come from Larry Nemecek's
TNG-1, 2, and 3, however.

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; URC; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD; CCCS
I officially represent each and every one of the above bodies--NOT!

"Perhaps you're just different. It's not a sin, you know--though you may
 have heard otherwise."                     --Tam Elbrun, ST:TNG "Tin Man"
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From: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer)
Subject: Re: Guinan and her secrets
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:42:32 GMT

byrnes@cuug.ab.ca (Sheri Byrne 263-8649) writes:


>After reading 200+ news messages I am wondering why no one has 
>mentioned what I consider to be a glaring plot hole in TA II.
>Guinan made a horrifically big deal about not telling
>Riker what to do (with regards to photoning the Devidians (sp?)), 
>because she doesn't want to alter the future.  Yet, she
>has no qualms about summoning Picard and telling him he has to
>be on the away mission, or they won't meet.  
Guinan only told Picard that he had to go with the away team so that the past
would not change, otherwise history would have been altered.

>-- One of the side-effects of having children and watching ST:TNG
>   is the kids want to be Borgs for Halloween and assimilate candy . . 

Is it all that surprising?

Jason Farmer
Simon Fraser University
Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada

jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca
.
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Transporter Psychosis
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:39:15 GMT

Spoiler alert!


The thing that got my attention in this episode was O'Brien's comment about
transporter psychosis (TP) ; that it hadn't occured in the last 50 years since
the pattern buffer (? don't hold me to this) was perfected. This would surely
imply that cases of TP occurred in TOS though I can't remember any. This, of
course, excludes the transporter accident in ST:TMP (transporter psychosis in
the extreme :> ). 
-- 
Bruce James Robert Linley | 
Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing."   - Sledgehammer
<linley@netcom.com>       |
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:17:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep28.224439.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca>, alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:

> Or perhaps they could work something out with Sela! After all, 
> Data has sex with Tasha, so why not with her daughter? Mata ne.

I dunno.  Data has been involved with Tasha & her sister.  If I were him,
I'd quit while I was "a head". ;-)

Terry
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The new race for DS9 & Realm of Fear
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:24:09 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> jfreund@relleno.engr.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) writes:

Some minor spoilers, so...



>	Isn't there a new treat to the Federation in DS9?  Some new race that
>attacked the space station before the season will begin?
>
>	Is the race (I forgot the name) the same as mentioned as the possible
>cause of the disaster that killed the crew of the other ship in Realm of
>Fear?  Was this the first time that race has been mentioned in TNG?  Picard
>and Starfleet seemed real cautious on R.o.F. about this race.  What else
>do we know about them?

The Cardassians have appeared in a couple of NG episodes and I think
they've been mentioned in other episodes too.  The space station in
DS9 was built by the Cardassians and the Feds move in and occupy it (I
think).  

Not much has actually been revealed about the Cardassians except that
the Feds had a war with them and the Bajorans (Ro's race) are/were in
conflict with them too.  My impression of the Cardassians is that they
are supposed to be the Next Generations answer to the Klingons in TOS;
a warlike adversary of the Federation that isn't actually at war with
them but isn't really allied either.


-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:22:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep27.190329.10092@cs.wisc.edu>, steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg) writes:

> I think you're crazy!

You're probably right!

Terry
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <67073@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>I don't know if "personal conflict" would be such a bad thing for STTNG.
>I've always thought that one of the show's problems is that everyone gets
>along with each other so well.  As opposed to, say, McCoy vs. Spock.
>Sure it became cliched after a while...but at least it was SOMEthing.
>Upping the level of conflict between the characters might go a long way
>towards giving them some depth.

Agreed.  When was the last time we saw a knock-down-drag-out a la "The
Tholian Web" on TNG that was based in the fundamental nature of the characters?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
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From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Times Arrow II (SPOILERS)
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:54:21 GMT

Jeremy Reimer (Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
: I just saw this episode tonight.. and although I liked it, I don't think it
: lived up to its potential..
: 
: I had a few problems with it..
: 
: - did anyone else think that it was just too easy for Geordi to reattach Data's
: old head?  Considering they had almost written it off as dead in TA I?
: 
: - we still didn't learn anything more about Guinan (except, perhaps, putting to
: rest the questions about 'a bald man was kind to me once'.. OK this isn't a big
: deal, however.
: 
: - Data's funky machine didn't seem to be that essential to the plot, or was
: that just me?
: 
: Some good things though...  Twain/Clemens confronting Troi about the rather
: utopian life people live in TNG, and considering human history how improbable
: that is.. Troi convinces him in the end, but it was still astute of them to
: bring it up.  Troi was actually watchable in this scene, too, proving that the
: character really only needed some new lines and better writing.
: 
: The acting troupe bit was cute... not necessary, but cute.. :)
: 
: And, for once, Worf's suggestion to "blow them away" is taken seriously!  I
: love it!  I'm surprised Worf isn't in shock....  But does anyone else feel we
: got gipped out of an explosion or two, or some indication that they really DID
: end the threat?
: 
: Comments?
: 
: --
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: ---------------| and messing around with bo staffs and numchuks they simply
: aka THE JAGUAR!| shot people and then drove everyone mad with pointless
: ---------------| conspiracy theories for years afterwards."
: Stealth Sig#42 |  --From "N-Man #3"

--

________

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Automation Librarian                      joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu
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Subject: Re: Why is trek tech stooopid...
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:41:59 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Oct2.162547.8744@fripp.ri.cadre.com>, ref@merlin.eng-sun (Ron E. Fortin) writes:
> I remember reading years ago that warp was defined as:
> 	warp X = C^(3*X)

     No, it's some sort of log function, with warp 1 being the speed of
light, and Warp 9 being around 1516 times the speed of light.

Later.......

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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Time's Arrow" POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:26:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <4DDsRB6w165w@ailanth.UUCP>, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:

> Why is it hard to believe that Picard has technical skill? You don't get 
> to be the captain of a Galaxy class starship (the Enterprise at that) for 
> being an idiot. Picard is in his mid-60's and has been galloping around 
> space for about that last 40 years of his life. He probably learned at 
> least a few things in that time.

But Mr. Data isn't Star Fleet issue.  I can believe that Geordi could
boot up Data, but Picard using Data as a scratch pad was just a bit of
a stretch.  It's the same type of thing as Mr. Scott punching a few
keys on a 20th Century Mac and displaying the formula for transparent
aluminum.  I'd have been more impressed if Scotty would have asked for
a pencil and a piece of paper.

And is Picard really that old?  Jim Kirk was in his 30s.  Just 'cause
there's still no cure for baldness in the 24th century, is no reason
to age Jean Luc before his time! ;-)

> Did anybody catch Twain's reference to Market Street at the end?

Yea.  I thought that was where the "snake" had dumped Data too.  Maybe
it always dumps people on Market Street.  There's no reason to assume
that it would deposit them underground in the caven.

Terry
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From: murmwi@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert M. Wright III)
Subject: Re: New sets in Realm of Fear (mini-spoilers)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:19:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.001019.7941@ac.dal.ca> davidhe@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I'm not sure if these are really sopilers, but I'll put in a few spaces just in
>case.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>A few more...
>
>
>
>
>Ok, that should be enough.
>I haven't seen this posted yet, so did anyone notice the new set and the set 
>add-on?  The new set was the vertical crawl tunnel.  It was neat to see where 
>that door from engineering actually went... Also, I've never seen the cooridor
>part of the transporter room before.  I'm not sure if this was my forgetfulness
>or an add-on.  According to some book I read, that cooridor leads to a waiting 
>and storage room.
>I'm sure I've seen the set of the Yosemite before, but dressed up differently, 
>and I'm sure I've seen the star background before in "Evolution" (Wesly + 
>Nanites).
>
>
>*****************************************************************************
>Lucas Dambergs 
>      AKA     
>The Supreme Cow
>
>Absence makes the heart grow fungus.    -- The Barenaked Ladies
>Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, North America, Sol III (Earth), Terran System
>*****************************************************************************

hello, this is partly a test to see if things work
I too liked the Add-on in engineering
but the hallway in the transporter room has been there
since the beginning.  
   note, I just watched the season 2 episode where polaski (sp?)
    grows old due to exposhier (sp?)
     to the geneticly engineered children

now lets see if this includes the sig file
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Barclay- Can we get rid of him?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:07:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct6.191149.6671@hubcap.clemson.edu> amie@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amie Hamilton) writes:
>
>Hey I have the perfect solution - the crew of the enterprise gets trapped
>in time and space in a place called Cicely, Alaska where he meets up with
>this bush pilot... [snip]

Aigh! Who told you I was idly writing a ST:TNG/Northern Exposure
crossover/spoof? :) No plot yet, but what I have so far is mildy
amusing. My continuing PernWars (Pern/TinyMUSH/StarWars) spoof
takes precedence, tho, and I haven't felt creative lately, so its
slow.

But... I'm sure I'll finish it eventually. :)

Joshua
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|                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |
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From: BEOZ000 <BEOZ@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: trek food
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:38:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep18.012234.13287@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> phk@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Pieter Kallemeyn) writes:
>How about Worf's favorite, Rokain Blood Pie.
>
>
>--
>Pieter Kallemeyn                     |   phk@aristotle.jpl.nasa.gov
>Jet Propulsion Laboratory            |          - or -
>California Institute of Technology   |   phk@charybdis.jpl.nasa.gov
>.
Guinan's people were destroyed long before the 19th century

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From: cs_d613@titan.kingston.ac.uk
Subject: TA2 & Clemen's Watch
Organization: Kingston University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:07:49 GMT


Okay, here's another arguement/solution to this business with Clemen's watch.

Does anybody out there remember the second season episode of TNG 
"Time Squared"?  This dealt with one Picard in a regular time-line and the
other in a repetitive loop, flung back in time each time the E-D was 
destroyed by the energy vortex.  In a continual loop like that, Picard would 
keep aging (and lets face it, he's not exactly young...) I'm not certain 
whether anybody sorted that out earlier but if there were two watches, one of 
them could be caught in a time-loop.(?)

		M.J.Magpie

PS: Is there anybody on the list in the UK. If so, please get in touch.


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