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From: dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese)
Subject: Re: Orthotics question
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 03:07:52 GMT
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <93003.182121AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Happy New Year!
>
>I had my knee scoped two weeks ago and am getting excited about the prospect
>of running again. My surgeon thinks orthotics would be a good idea and I
>agree. I've gone 16 years without them but my body isn't as young and healthy
>as it used to be.
>
>My question: Do orthotics fit in all shoes? I pronate and tend to wear anti-
>pronation shoes (Avia 2050's). I don't know if the orthotics have anything
>to do with the type of shoes that you wear or if they compensate for the
>pronation and make "special" shoes unnecessary.
>
>Thanks in advance for your advice. Ramble on, Rich


The best advice most orthodic users wil give you, as simple as it sounds,
is try on the shoe with them inserted.  There are so many variations 
from brand to brand and within a brand, that the only safe way is to pull 
out the factory insert, side in the orthodics, and walk or run( if the 
store will let you).  

I have found a few reasons for rejecting a shoe: 
1. The shoe is too shallow therefore your foot plus the ortho makes the 
   fit too tight. (I never wore Avia's they felt like 2x4's)
2. Some shoes, like the old Turntecs, put their alleged 'varoom' 
   in their inserts so when you remove their 'varoom' .....

A friend who just started wearing Orthodics was complaning about hot
spots under the ball of the foot on runs greater than five miles.  He
tried different sockes etc to no avail.  Unlike mine, his ortodics have 
some felt on the bottom.  I suspect the felt rubbing against the 
bottom of the shoe(yup, rough slip lasted) are generating excess heat 
on long runs.  I would interested in hearing if anyone else has had 
similar problems. 
                Doug(another old runner)

-- 
--------The race is not to the swift but to those who keep on running -----
Doug Freese                 (The views expressed here are entirely mine)     
I.B.M. Corp.                email: dvfreese@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com 
Neighborhood Rd. Kingston N.Y. 12401 
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From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:15:11 GMT

donath@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) writes:
>While 24:16 in a 5K could certainly be considered a "mediocre jog",
>it is an amazing time for someone of Clinton's girth.  He
>could almost win his weight bracket.  
>
>Was this a recent time for him?

Yes, I think it was a Thanksgiving Day race or thereabouts. I was surprised
when I heard the time, too, because he certainly isn't doing 7:50 miles
in his daily "press" runs. Two possibilities: 1) He can pour it on in a
race if need be, or 2) the SS guys showed him a short cut.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: president-elect's runs
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:10:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.083312.8446@mic.ucla.edu>, rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush ) writes:
|> In article <50919@shamash.cdc.com> gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:

|> >Here in Minnesota, we have a reversed meaning for the phrase "near
|> >freezing" :-(
|> >
|> It may be more uncomfortable to run in very cold weather but it is
|> actually physically more difficult to run in very hot weather.  I've run
|> in the 20's (F) and it's harder to convince myself to go out and start
|> than when I've run with it over 110 (F), but the latter is harder on the
|> body once started.  My point:  don't conclude that runners are wimps
|> just because they live in hot weather.

Actually, I agree completely.  There are many advantages to winter running,
you have pointed out the reduced risk of overheating.  There is also the
reduced risk of tripping over a dog leash or baby carriage.  No temptation
to fixate on stopwatch.  The disadvantages are risk of slip&fall
(a relative in Denver just got a metal plate added inside ankle) and the
reduced availability of daylight.

Getting back to "near freezing", I find that just under freezing is much
more slippery than negative Fahrenheit.  And just *after* freezing is much
slicker than "ain't seen 32 for months".

Getting back to the news media's usage of "near freezing", I find it almost
impossible to explain winter running to "civilians".  They look at me like
I'm really crazy (which I might be, but for other reasons).

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email: gordon.chace@cdc.com or gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
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From: sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott)
Subject: Ohio / W Penna shoe sources wanted
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:27:33 GMT

I am in the market for some new shoes and would like to try before I buy.
However, I can not find any local dealers that stock some of the newer
models.  So much for the theory of mail order not being able to service
their customers.  I would appreciate it if people in Ohio and Western 
Pennsylvania would email me some of their favorite running shoe store
locations.  I would say that the only requirement is that they be well
stocked with many of the new models and located anywhere in Ohio or 
in Western Pennsylvania.  Since I travel these areas often the location
within this area is not a problem.

Thanks in advance,  Stephen

email:  sscott@mcs.kent.edu

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rush@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Brian Rush )
Subject: Has that PC garbage infiltrated the running world? (Was: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:31:10 PST

In article <867@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>In article <102976@netnews.upenn.edu>, sagnella@a.chem.upenn.edu (Diane E. Sagnella) writes:
>+ 
>+ 
>+ Give the guy a break!  ANYONE that exercises, that goes out and
>+ 'just does it' is okay by me!  Clinton never professed to be
>+ a spectacular runner, why must you label him?
>+ 
>+ When you start judging someone by their speed, you take away from 
>+ them the one thing that is so very special about running.  With 
>+ running you do it for YOU.  You are your primary contender.  You set your
>+ goals, you decide when to run fast and when to run slow.
>+ 
>+ How dare anyone put someone down because they think they
>+ don't run fast enough!  We as runners should support other
>+ runners in their endeavors not ridicule them because they
>+ don't live up to our standards!
>
>Since when is calling Clinton a mediocre runner a put-down? It's a
>fair observation, based upon his reported times. Do you want us to
>say that he is 'non-elite'? Is that more politically correct?
If you really want to please the liberal running community you might
want to consider the following terms to describe our new
president-elect:
speed disadvantaged
spatially challenged
differently abled
a person of mass
gravitationaly challenged
That way, no one can accuse you of being a weightist of a speedist.
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From: sscott@mcs.kent.edu (Stephen Scott)
Subject: shoe suggestions wanted
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:52:39 GMT

I am in the market for an alternative shoe to the Asics GT and GT cool. 
Specifically I am concerned over forefoot cushioning as I have metatarsal
damage due to years of racing in spikes.

Presently I use the Asics GT cool (the one with the silver stripes and
purple leather).  Inside these I use an insole with sorbothane in the
metatarsal and heal areas only.  I don't recall the model or manufacturer
of the insole but they are made by a company in Twinnsburg OH.  This
combination seems to work for me.

The reason for a shoe change is twofold.  1. I don't like to rely on one
manufacturer as just as I get comfortable with a shoe they change it.  2.
I have found that when doing high milage or multiple workouts in a day
that using two different models of shoes will help prevent injuries. (in
me anyway)

My specifics are the following: 5'11" and 150 lbs (20 lbs of "thesis" fat
- going back down I hope - don't we all) I generally run between 50 and
80 miles per week with 2 speed workouts on the track - repeat 800s and
miles (I use racing flats for this).  My road training speeds vary from
5:30 to 7 minutes per mile.  I consider my stride to be somewhat of a
midfoot stride - thus metatarsal cushioning is vital.

I dislike a very soft heel - so most nike air shoes are out.  They (nike
air) feel like running on an inflatable raft in the heel and a rock for
the forefoot - too unstable for my tastes.

I would appreciate any comments from others regarding their likes and
dislikes in shoes.  Some of the new Addidas and Saucony shoes look
promising - any comments?

Thanks in advance,  Stephen Scott.
email:  sscott@mcs.kent.edu

ps.  I've only run a 4:11 mile - so I'm not THE Steve Scott of 70's
     and 80's Mile fame.  Of course I have been told that I am better 
     looking.....  by my wife.... :)
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Clinton mediocre runner?
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:52:26 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <BzMpu2.t04@austin.ibm.com>, spit@austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer) writes:
+ 
+ In article <1992Dec21.175447.20289@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
+ > 	   In a Nov. 27 news article, you characterize President-elect
+ > 	Clinton's race time of 24:16 in a five-kilometer run as "fair
+ > 	at best" and a "mediocre jog."
+ 
+ This mild ridicule does seem unwarranted, but I'm curious to see the original
+ article.  Does anyone have the original and can either transcribe or at least
+ communicate the context of the article?
+ 
+ I wonder what the original author's 5K time is -- if he/she could run that far!


The author's observations are correct. What difference does it make
whether or not the author can duplicate the feat? Just because you
cannot duplicate a feat does not mean you cannot be a knowledgeable
observer.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
From: Henry.Halff@p932.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Henry Halff)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Clinton mediocre runner?
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 10:04:06 -0500

On 12/24/92, Jim Puckett said the most wonderful thing to All about Clinton
mediocre runner?: 

  JP> From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) Newsgroups:
  JP> rec.running Organization: NASA/MSFC
  JP> 
  JP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
  JP> 
  > Give me a break. I'm glad the President-elect is a runner. But his times
  > are definitely mid-pack. That makes him a mediocre runner.
  > 
  JP> I'd like to second what Terry said. Sometimes we forget how to speak
  JP> English. 'Mediocre' means 'average' 8-)
 

On the other hand, there are those of us who believe that the term "mediocre
runner" is an oxymoron.

hh

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Presidential running shoes (was Re: Clinton mediocre runner?)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:05:47 GMT

A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:

>Trivia time: from the newspaper photo it looks like he wears ASICS.
>                                                             ------

>Do the american voters know this, the american president running in japanese shoes,
>tut tut bill. If Bush had known this earlier he could have won :-) :-)
>What shoes does Bush wear?

Who cares?  Besides, what athletic shoe is manufactured domestically anymore
anyway?  =)  =)

allen
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 18:21:21 MST
From: <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject:    Orthotics question

Happy New Year!

I had my knee scoped two weeks ago and am getting excited about the prospect
of running again. My surgeon thinks orthotics would be a good idea and I
agree. I've gone 16 years without them but my body isn't as young and healthy
as it used to be.

My question: Do orthotics fit in all shoes? I pronate and tend to wear anti-
pronation shoes (Avia 2050's). I don't know if the orthotics have anything
to do with the type of shoes that you wear or if they compensate for the
pronation and make "special" shoes unnecessary.

Thanks in advance for your advice. Ramble on, Rich
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: "paul sakalauskas" <paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com>
Subject: big sur marathon advice?
Reply-To: "paul sakalauskas" <paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:55:34 EST

TO:kpapai@rahul.net (Ken Papai)
I think that you should do the Big Sur. I have not done it but thinkit
would be terrific and I plan to come out to California just for that in
the next couple of years. So what if you don't get a PR, if you plan to
run one in each state, just the accomplishment would be enough of a PR.

Good Luck and Good Run,    Paul

Paul.Sakalauskas@canrem.uucp
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Advice needed on RevI vs II
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:29:05 GMT

Well, I went pricing kites yesterday. I started two years ago with a Peter 
Powell two line kite, and have enjoyed it a lot, but I would like some 
variety; preferably something that can fly in VERY little wind.

I was looking at the Revolution kites (they look pretty interesting to me), 
but being a novice, I was wondering if any of you would have any opinions 
about whether the I or II would be more appropriate for my needs and skill 
levels... I am very interested in the ability to do accurate starts, stops, 
etc. In other words, I am looking for something with more control than I 
have now that also flies in less wind. 

Thanks!

Wes

--------------------------------------------------
Wes Voss
Internet: wvoss@novell.com
Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
and no one elses... You know the rest...
--------------------------------------------------
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From: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Nock Lights
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:08:41 GMT
Organization: "Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Dallas, TX."
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NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.central.sun.com


When I was at my local (overpriced) kite store this weekend they had some 
interesting lights.  They were arrow nocks that contained a LED and batteries,
when these were "switched" on they were lit.  The original premise (I guess)
was to shoot arrows in the dark.

They were about $7.50 (US) a piece.  Has anybody used these?  Does anyone
know of a archery mail order place that sells these at a better price?

Pete
pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM

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From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Query: Aerial photography with kites
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:27:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <1993Jan1.173400.11878@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ksampath@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Krishna S Sampath) writes:
>In article <17758@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes about aerial photography:
>>
>>Unfortunately, I'm of no use when it comes to techniques, cameras, etc.
>>However, I would like to relate that some of the most interesting aerial
>>photos I've seen were taken from a camera attached to a stack of Revolutions!
>> ....stuff....                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Jeff                                                        / 
>>                                                    --------
>dumb question:         -----------------------------/
>                      /
>what is a "stack of Revolutions?"  will some one enlighten me?

Whoops--sorry 'bout that.  I hadn't noticed that this was cross-posted out
of rec.kites.

A Revolution is a kite with 4 lines that can be moved in just about any
direction and rotated around a variable point.  What, to my mind, makes it
good for this sort of application is that the flyer can control its
height and cause it to hover in many different orientations, not just down-
wind, but off to the sides as well.
 
A single Revolution is not large enough to support the weight of anything
other than a very light plastic camera.  However, multiple kites can
be strung together in a line, increasing the amount of weight that can
be supported.

Hope this helps...

Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
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From: foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker)
Newsgroups: rec.kites,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Query: Aerial photography with kites
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:40:13 GMT
Organization: Kiteflyers Roost

dtalmage@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

> Would any of you aerial photography fans care to tell us about it?  
> I'm interested in basic stuff, like the kinds of cameras people put 
> aloft using kites, how the cameras are controlled from the ground, and 
> what modifications, if any, need I make to a standard camera to make 
> is suitable for kiting.  

I got started using a "One-Step" instant film camera.  I built a hinge
arm for it that is attached to some 15lb line.  When I pull the line the
arm pushes the button and takes the picture.  On a normal windy day
the breeze catches the protruding picture and it flutters to the ground. 
A nearby child retrieves it.  By the time I get it it is developed and I
can see how I'm doing for direction and height.  

The camera is cheap, so if there is a high speed landing (aka CRASH) it's
not a big deal.  I've bounced mine a few time and it's still working. The
film is $15 for 20 shots (two ten packs).  

                          I'd also like to know what kinds of kites 
> people use for this.

I use an 8' parafoil, a 7' delta and my Codys.  Depends on the wind and 
the day and what I feel like flying.  You want a kite that can lift about
two pounds and is fairly stable.  The camera can be mounted in a number of
ways, attached to the spars, in a sling, etc.  The key thing is not to have
lot's of motion, you get lots of blur then.

I have lots of shots of houses and cars, nothing real great.  My best shot
is of me with a panic look on my face.  It was taken when the big Cody
crashed about six feet away.  I heard it coming and was trying not to be
killed by it.  The camera took the shot with the shock of impact.  

Good luck!!



Foster Schucker  (foster@nzkites.uucp)  (1-215-458-8354 (voice))
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From: jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin)
Subject: Re: Stunt kite question
Originator: jdc3538@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:05:54 GMT

In article <17653@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.013743.21060@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jdc3538@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.D. Cronin) writes:
>>
>>A recently completed stunt kite flies OK except for one annoying
>>quirk:  If one line is pulled too far for a turn, the kite goes
>>parallel to the wind and drops from the sky.
>
> (removed)
>To some extent, it's the bridling.  One thing you might try is to adjust
>the length of your outhaul (aka "static line").  If you look at the bridle,

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll try moving the bridle on the next windy day.

>There are a bunch of books out there, including a few specializing on 
>stunt kites.  One of the better books I've seen is the new translation
>of "Stunt Kites to Make and Fly" by Nop Velthuizen and Servaas van der
>Horst.  Many of the other books which have gotten good review are in
>German, with no translations currently available.  However, the plans should
>still be easy to follow if you've experience in building stunt kites.

Could you tell us who carries the book?  My 1991 Into The Wind catalog
doesn't have it listed.
>
>Jeff
>-- 
>|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
>|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
>|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |

Thanks...Jim
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From: dtalmage@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites,rec.photo
Subject: Query: Aerial photography with kites
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:12:33 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Would any of you aerial photography fans care to tell us about it?  
I'm interested in basic stuff, like the kinds of cameras people put 
aloft using kites, how the cameras are controlled from the ground, and 
what modifications, if any, need I make to a standard camera to make 
is suitable for kiting.  I'd also like to know what kinds of kites 
people use for this.
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From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Query: Aerial photography with kites
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 20:33:08 GMT

In <1993Jan1.173400.11878@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ksampath@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Krishna S Sampath) writes:

>dumb question:         -----------------------------/
>                      /
>what is a "stack of Revolutions?"  will some one enlighten me?

I am sure Jeff would explain this better, but it seems I just
happen to be on-line before him:-)

Revolution is a four line, highly manouverable kite.
You make a "stack" (or a train) by connecting two or more
kites behind each other.

Simo Salanne
STACK Finland

P.S. STACK is also an international sport kite flyers assosiation
     (Sport Team And Competitive Kiting). 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (Doug Hellmann)
Subject: Mail Order Kites?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: rec.kites
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:37:17 GMT

Hello Everyone.  I am new to kites and to this network, so I've been
lurking around trying to learn about kites and how to post to ask about
kites.  My question is this:  I live in Columbia, SC where there are no
kite stores and almost no wind.  When I fly, I usually go to the beach
where there is lots of wind, but the kite shops there are VERY expensive
-I guess because all of the tourists want to fly on the beach.  Does
anyone know of a good mail-order source for kites?  I also have a
question to ask about relative sizes of kites.  I love the parafoil
kites - do you need more wind to fly the larger ones or the smaller
ones?  I thank you in advance.

Samantha

Oh yeah, my man lets me use his account because I don't yet have one of
my own, so please don't e-mail, please post. Thanks.



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