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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:56:43 -0800
From:         u8042009 <u8042009@MIS.NSYSU.EDU.TW>

                Hi, first, I am glad to become a member in this
        discussion group. I'm sophomore in the department of
        Information Management System at National Sun Yat-Sen
        university in Taiwan.

                Since, I joined the group, I got many mails about
        history, politics, and so on. And those mails have made me
        get a lot of idea of history, and politics. But in the group
        I never get any mail about China especially about the
        structure of Chinese history. In the mail, I hope that I
        could give other members some points about China. And I hope
        other members could realize China more.

                Many people think that the structure of China history
        is super steady. The reasons may be : (1) Chinese must cooperate
        to be opposed to the environment and enemy like fighting deluge;
        (2) Chinese almost thought that emperor is child of godness, so
        all people can't be against his mind; (3) Confucian theoretics
        emphasize that people must devote their power to help the
        emperor no matter how good the emperor is; (4) people all think
        that if a man betray the emperor,  the man must be symbol of
        enormity. So chinese politic structure could continue to 1911.

                I don't know what kind of politic structure in histiry
        your country is. If possible, Please get me some massages. And,
        if you have any question about chinese history, I'll try my best
        to give you a satisfied answer.

        Elic Wang.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:42:42 EST
From:         Pete Tamas <GNOME@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Austrian address-anyone know it?
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I need to e-mail someone at the Karl Franzens (spelling?) Universitat Graz
in Graz, Austria. Anyone know the address or can anyone tell me how to find
that address? Thanks, Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:02:00 PST
From:         VESA HALME <HALME_V@PLU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Which side of the road?

Driving on the left is a remnant of times when people carried swords. The sword
   was more accessible for fighting if need be. Greeting with the right hand sho
   wed peaceful intentions. Traffic on canals follows universal laws for seaborn
   e traffic.
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:45:46 EST
From:         "James G. Carrier" <jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Which side of the road?
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This will not begin to answer the question, but will add to the confusion.
     While the British drive on the left, on British canals one is supposed
to drive (?) on the right.

          Yours equally bemused,

          James G. Carrier

29, University Circle / Charlottesville, Virginia, 22903
(804) 971-2983 / jgc5p@virginia.edu
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
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Subject: Re: Does knowing history make any difference in policy?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:55:21 GMT
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Summary: Neustadt & May, 'Thinking In Time'

Some years ago I read a book on this topic, Neustadt & May's
'Thinking In Time', The Free Press/Macmillan 1986 (0-020922790-9).
This book was not quite a description of how history shaped particular
decisions, but more of a discussion of how to go about applying
history & prior experience to decision-making.  It appears to be
a condensation of course given at Harvard.  Has anyone read it?
Any comments?

==mwh
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:32:38 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: french and indian war (7 years' war)
              4 Jan 1993 21:49:24 -0600 from <TBEAUDOIN@UMKCVAX1>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:49:24 -0600 I program in BASIC said:
>        I am not an expert in native american history, but after reading
>an article recently on the french/indian war (1754-1761), i was confounded
>by the reasons for the iriquois (confederacy) joining the english.
>what were the reasons behind alliance with the english, when the
>iroquois had been so friendly previously with the french (who had shown
>them a great deal more tolerance than the english settlers)?
>
>Thomas Beaudoin
>Univ. of MO
>
The Iroquois were linked to the English by a long diplomatic tradition
deriving from English support for their efforts against their French-
backed Huron and other enemies; by careful diplomacy and cultivation
carried on by such skilled intermediaries as William Johnson; and by
a long-standing economic trade relationship, in which the quality and
price of British goods exceeded what France could offer. English
settlers were always a problem, but the British government often
appeared to try to restrain them. That's one reason the Iroquois
supported the government and opposed the settler-rebels in the
American Revolution, until Sullivan's campaign against them in 1779.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:42:09 CST
From:         Don Mabry <djm1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year...
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        Glad that Thomas is back! Perhaps we should not tell him of all
the earthshaking events that occurred on the list during his absence?

Don Mabry
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:59:00 CST
From:         NFPKP2@AUDUCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Black American social history

>a social history of blacks in America, 1840-1930.

>There's considerable time pressure on the project, so I'd prefer to have
>just a few good leads rather than sift through the hundreds of titles
>(all over florida) that I hit when I search s=Afro Americans -- social
>conditions.
>
>Many thanks.
>
>bayla singer   bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Bayla:
I would reccomend as a good starting point John Hope Franklin's <From Slavery to
Freedom: A History of Negro Americans> (reprint, 1980) and Benjamin Quarles' <Th
   e
Negro in the Making of America> (revised, 1969).  Both of these books should
provide the information you seek, or at least they will point you in the
right directions.  Lastly, you may wish to consult Kenneth Stampps' <The Peculia
   r
Institution: Slavery in the Antebellum South> (1956) for a fairly solid account
of slave life in the Old South.

Bob Saunders
Auburn University  Sorry for the spacing above--something went awry when I uploa
   ded this message.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:36:17 CET
From:         Thomas Zielke <113355@DOLUNI1.BITNET>
Subject:      Happy New Year...

Dear friends and subscribers,

just wanted to let you know that I am back from my holidays. Did I miss
anything while I was out??

Regards,

Thomas Zielke

Historisches Seminar
Universit{t Oldenburg

Postfach 2503
D-W-2900 Oldenburg
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From:         Eric Halpern <ucrahex@UCL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Black American social history
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baya la
bayla:
the best overview of the slave era is John Boles Black Southerners, which will
 take you up to emancipation.  You might want to look at Mer
Meier and Rudwick's Plantation to Ghetto (a text) for postemancipation.

bon travaik l

Rick Halpern, Dept of History, University College London
ucrahex@ucl.ac.uk
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:53:36 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Which side of the road?
              10 Jan 1993 22:51:59 GMT from <hiscrp@NUSCC.NUS.SG >

On Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:51:59 GMT C R Pennell said:
>I know there are maritime history people reading - what is the rule at
>sea? Could canals be th result of that and roads/railways be the result of
>an entirely different land tradition. Obviously there had to be a wide
>degree of agreement about what to do at sea, an international standard,
>which would not have mattered at home on land. . .
>
>Richard

Right of way rules differ depending on whether one is under sail or power,
whether one is overtaking or meeting, and whether one is on US inland waters
or in international waters (not sure whether European countries use
international rules in their home waters, or something home-grown).  The
difference between US and international rules is fairly slight--ours are
remnants from a time when major vessels were not only sail-powered, but
square-rigged, hence made way upwind only very slowly.  Basically, when
meeting a vessel, leave it to port:  in other words, stay to the right.

Canal boats used to be horse-drawn.  If the boat stays on the right, it
would be natural to have the horse on the left-hand side of the tow path.
Possibly this is the source of the change-up in Britain.
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Subject: Re: Happy New Year...
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:14:57 GMT

Thomas Zielke <113355@DOLUNI1.BITNET> writes:

>Dear friends and subscribers,

>just wanted to let you know that I am back from my holidays. Did I miss
>anything while I was out??

you will be interested to know, thomas, that we have banned the use of
the words "ananchronism," "anthropomorphism," and "culturocentrism,"
while you were gone.  post at your own risk.

-- 
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:15:32 EDT
From:         CELLIS@BROCKVMA.BITNET
Subject:      Quest for term paper history

A friend, Dr. Peter Olevnik, here at Brockport, is trying to research the
history of undergraduate term papers.  He is hitting some good walls,
and as I had such success with my quest for Arab Crusade History sources,
he has asked if maybe you erudite list people might have some pointers of
direction for his search.  Thank you

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:33:00 CDT
From:         S_NATALE@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      Tontouta Task Force (WWII)

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Hello -

I am currently looking for ANY information regarding the following:

                           ***********************
                             TONTOUTA TASK FORCE
                           ***********************

        On 16 May 1942, two B-17E aircraft, five flight crews and ground
specialists departed Hickam Field, T.H., with less than twenty-four hours
notice, for Fiji, where three additional B-17E aircraft were added to the task
force.  Following a day of testing, the five aircraft flew to Tontouta, New
Caledonia, a small landing strip forty kilometers north of Noumea.  The
aircraft operated under Navy command, flying reconnaissance flights in the
Solomon Islands area for the next four weeks.  One aircraft crashed 8 June
1942, in New Zealand, killing the task force commander, R. Cobb, and the flight
crew.  On 25 June, the remaining four aircraft and flight crews flew to
Brisbane, becoming part of the 19th Bombardment Group operations in
Australia and New Guinea.

The information that I seek concerning this task force includes:

        1. Addresses of persons in the task force (or where they can be found)

        2. Information describing the purpose of the task force

        3. Data concerning the results achieved by the task force

Any and all information regarding this task force would be immensely
appreciated. I have exhausted a good number of library collections in the North
Texas Area.

Please reach me through e-mail c/o:

Joe Natale
s_natale@twu (Bitnet)
s_natale@twu.edu (Internet)

I can also be reached by snail mail at the following address:

William R. Eaton
400 Woodland Street
Denton, Texas 76201
(817)382-7800

Many thanks for anyone's help in advance. Again, any information or leads would
be greatly appreciated.

William R. Eaton
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Subject: i'm curious...

i read, or was told, or hallucinated, a long time ago, that there was
an occasional "free" black in the south, before the civil war.

what i'd like to know is this: were these free blacks allowed to have
slaves? and if so, were there any cases where they actually DID have
slaves? further, if there were such cases, how common were they?

thanks.

bob vesterman.

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:49:24 -0600
From:         I program in BASIC <TBEAUDOIN@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      french and indian war (7 years' war)

        I am not an expert in native american history, but after reading
an article recently on the french/indian war (1754-1761), i was confounded
by the reasons for the iriquois (confederacy) joining the english.
what were the reasons behind alliance with the english, when the
iroquois had been so friendly previously with the french (who had shown
them a great deal more tolerance than the english settlers)?

Thomas Beaudoin
Univ. of MO

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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:37:25 EST
From:         "James G. Carrier" <jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Work in Early Modern England
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I am sending this via the board, because I have had trouble getting a message
directly to you.
     You might also try Joan Thirsk's ECONOMIC POLICY AND PROJECTS (Clarendon
1978). The introduction in particular (if memory serves) is a provocative
discussion of how people thought of the relationship between labor and the
objects produced and the value of objects. In addition, a recent study of
guilds in York is useful for showing how work (in the broad sense) was
organized, and what else those work organizations were about. It is Heather
Swanson's MEDIVAL ARTISANS (Basil Blackwell 1989).
     If you could, I would appreciate a copy of the recommendations you
accumulate. I know a bit about the area, but need to know more.

          Yours,

          James G. Carrier

29, University Circle / Charlottesville, Virginia, 22903
(804) 971-2983 / jgc5p@virginia.edu
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:00:08 -0500
Reply-To:     "Cheryl P. Lewis" <cpl@po.CWRU.Edu>
From:         "Cheryl P. Lewis" <cpl@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Black American social history
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Dear Bayla:

I'm sure that you will recieve tons of suggested readings on this
subject. Please let me add a few titles:
  The Black Family In Slavery and Freedom, 1750-1925 by Herbert Gutman,
  published in 1976.
  The Philadelphia Negro by W.E.B. DuBois, published in 1899.

I realize that both are not recent publications, especially DuBois'
treatise, yet I believe that they can still prove to be very valuable
to present-day scholars. "The Philadelphia Negro" was considered to be
the first sociological study of African-Americans ever done.

I will send along other titles, many of them more recent, if you wish.

--
Cheryl Lewis           (216) 368-2792
Circulation Assistant   cpl@po.cwru.edu
Law Library
Case Western Reserve University
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:00:12 EDT
From:         CELLIS@BROCKVMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Black American social history
              11 Jan 1993 20:09:27 GMT from <bsinger@ENIAC.SEAS.UPENN.EDU>

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:09:27 GMT Bayla Singer said:
>For complicated reasons, I need a good solid scholarly evenhanded social
>history of blacks in America, 1840-1930.
 Try starting out with John Blasingame his (I believe ) Slavery In America
is quite good, straightforward, and has excellent bibliography

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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Work in Early Modern England
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:43:26 EST

In article <1993Jan11.032408.16776@leland.Stanford.EDU> disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein) writes:
>Hello all. I am trying to track down some citations for either books
>or articles on any aspect of work in Tudor and Stuart England,
>especially and including:
>work and wages, the meaning of work, work and industrialization, 
>women and work...you get the idea. I'm having extreme difficulty
>locating much before the eighteenth century. Any leads would be
>greatly appreciated, the more recent the better.
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Jamie Bronstein
>History Department
>Stanford University
>disraeli@leland.stanford.edu
>

Oh my. The research done on the subject is considerable. Lets see here...Some  
historians I recommend are   

R.H. Hilton, _The English peasantry in the Middle ahes_
Charles & Duffin, _Women and Work in Pre-Industrial England_
Snell, in Economic History Review, 2nd ser., 34 (1981), 407-37
Carus-Wilson, _Essays in Economic History_ 
Just about anything in the last 20 years in the Economic History Review

Some authors to look for:
General labor:
Postan, Tawney, I. Blanchard, E.A. Wrigley, Paul Schofield, Joan
Thirsk (good for women as well), A.B. Appleby. 

Women:
Joan Scott, Barbara Hanawalt, M. Chaytor, P.Crawford.

All this should get you started in the right direction. Tell me,
what level are you working at? What is your thesis/field of interest?

Chris

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Subject: Re: Which side of the road?
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jgc5p@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU ("James G. Carrier") writes:
: This will not begin to answer the question, but will add to the confusion.
:      While the British drive on the left, on British canals one is supposed
: to drive (?) on the right.
: 
I didn't know that (not many people do, I should think)
However, to make matters worse, British railway trains are driven on the
LEFT-hand track in a double tracked line. Now when you consider the tie-in
between early railways and canals it is confusing.	
I know there are maritime history people reading - what is the rule at
sea? Could canals be th result of that and roads/railways be the result of
an entirely different land tradition. Obviously there had to be a wide
degree of agreement about what to do at sea, an international standard,
which would not have mattered at home on land. . .

Richard
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Black American social history
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:09:27 GMT
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For complicated reasons, I need a good solid scholarly evenhanded social
history of blacks in America, 1840-1930.  

There's considerable time pressure on the project, so I'd prefer to have
just a few good leads rather than sift through the hundreds of titles
(all over florida) that I hit when I search s=Afro Americans -- social
conditions.

Many thanks.

bayla singer   bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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Subject: Which side of the road?
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:46:49 GMT


Much of the world drives on the left. Some of this can be explained by	
colonialism (Australia/West AFrica/India) or convenience (ANgola etc)
but not all - Britain and Japan are obvious examples. Sweden used to drive
on the left.	

Now, when did this start? When did different countries decide to drive on
the left or the right? A guess: Europe went all onto the right during the
Napoleonic  period, but it is a pure guess. What side of the road did
horse-drawn carriages use in colonial north America? Was it different from
British Isles - presumably there had to be some sort of generally accepted
rule as to which carriage went whcih way when two carraiges met.

ANy ideas? firm knowledge?

Richard Pennell History NUS
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