HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Depression
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:41:43 GMT
Organization: neener neener boing...

hmm. yeah. d'you know, the photons coming at me from this screen are green?
does that make them special? does the fact that i'm intelligent and caring
and funny make me special? doesn't seem like it. but then, at the moment,
i'm having a hard time believing that anything is important. i was playing w
with a recently acquired switchblade last night, and it's funny, but i was 
picturing the blood that would come out of my white wrist, and then i couldn't
 stop thinking about how i would have to deal with all the people that would
want to know why...it's sorta like someone else (i can't remember who) was 
saying about it being too much trouble, only i was getting a little perverse
pleasure out of the idea of baffling all these people. y'see, just about 
everyone i know thinks i'm happy, funny, and popular. i don't often show
the 'real' pathetically lonely and depressed me to others, 'cause they'll
just try and give me advice that i've already heard, tried, and failed 
with. and that's something i don't need. 

and there's a paper due in 20 minutes, and i have to write the bibliography
for it. lucky i didn't sharpen that switchblade...

bah.
--
		    -just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      coed naked internet grep! always keep your link up!
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: tigger@nbrwh72.bnr.ca (Jeff Skinner)
Subject:  testing 1.2.3
Reply-To: tigger@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Public Switching, Bramalea Product Tech. S908
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:08:48 GMT

Keywords: 

just a test for now 
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre
From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Re: syrupy holiday movies (was: this may be angst, I think)
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:01:33 GMT


Ronald Hogan (rhogan@aludra.usc.edu) wrote:

: That's what I think angst could be.
: I really need a dose of Miracle on 34th Street to restore my faith
: in myself and the rest of humanity right about now...

To this day, I cannot watch Miracle on 34th Street without having 
flashbacks from one of the most shameless advertising ploys I've ever seen.

Gimbels' department store (remember Gimbels?) bought up ALL TWO-PLUS HOURS
of advertising time for the movie one year when I was but a wee lad,
and proceeded to take ONE COMMERCIAL with an insipid little jingle and 
plug in 50-60 different products into the ten seconds at the end of it,
one at a time...

Every seven or eight minutes throughout the whole damn movie--

"It's beginning to look a lot like Gimbels..."
"It's beginning to look a lot like Gimbels..."
"It's beginning to look a lot like Gimbels..."
"It's beginning to look a lot like Gim--AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHH!"

My dad, who could sit through Howard Cosell without flinching, was throwing
things at the television screen.  Good thing we had a TV Brick[tm].

		---jeff "gotta love the Fads of the Seventies" c., ncsu.

--
     jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu    \\---//  have clue, will travel.
       ---------------------------------------------------
     It's time to see the world / It's time to kiss the girl
              It's time to cross the wild meridian
   Grab your bag and take a chance / Time to learn a Cajun dance
             Kid, you're gonna see the morning sun...
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Logic (was re: duke=shit was re:deb=boring)
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:10:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:
[text neatly trimmed]
>It seems to be species-treason
>to toss out rationality

A quote from "Providence:"

	"I know you have inner peace.  That usually implies no power of
rational thought.  Whatsoever."

		- Claude Langham


-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: Camus is my psychotherapist
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:53:32 GMT

In <DUKE.92Dec15185130@portal.paperboy.osf.org> duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org 
(Duke Robillard) writes:



>In article <1992Dec9.161518.1@woods.ulowell.edu> moranc@woods.ulowell.edu 
writes:

>   ALBERT CAMUS SED IT BEST: (THIS IS A PARAPHRASE) THERE IS ONLY ONE DECISION
>    IN LIFE:  WHETHER OR NOT
>   TO KILL YOURSELF.  IF YOU ARE READING THIS YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY CHOOSEN NOT 
TO
>   KILL YOURSELF, THEREFORE, DO NOT BITCH!!!!

>Alright, so she's a Caps Lock Clown, but this is a good point.

Sure, she's got a point... but if she lets her hair grow out just a little bit,
it won't show.

>Depressing, but true.  

Duke, I'm going to say this only once, so please attend closely:

The Caps Lock Clown is saying, in effect, that one has two, and only two, 
legitimate choices in life:

1.  Cruising along, pretending everything's OK, and putting a big smiley face 
over everything;

2.  Suicide.

Now, most people might think that there are more choices available to one than
that.  One might, for example, acknowledge the angst, fear&loathing, and other
icky feelings in one's life, use forums such as alt.angst to express these 
emotions, and go on with one's relatively enjoyable and productive existence. 
In fact, a great many people do this.

Unfortunately, some people like the C.L.C. cruise into alt.angst, see the 
angsters going on at length about the pain and frustration in their lives, and
react badly... I'm speculating that they just can't deal with the angst in 
their own lives, or the lives of people that they are close to, but who really 
knows?  Their articles usually take the form of peremptory commands, such as 
the Finn who used up a great deal of bandwidth posting "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY"
in sky-high letters here, recently.  They then wonder why the regulars react 
badly to being told what to say and, implicitly, how to feel.

I've only been reading newsgroups for a few months now (go ahead; I've been 
called lots worse than "newbie"), and I've seen this happen several times.  I 
suppose that I should come up with a form letter of some sort...

--
>---<

Tom Dennis                  | "I have seen all the works that are done
dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu  |    under the sun; and, behold, all is 
(217)384-2504               |      vanity and vexation of spirit."
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: fsquared@eff.org (Fawn Fitter)
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Originator: fsquared@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:25:28 GMT

(and then there's my favorite:)

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea,
And love is a thing that can never go wrong...
And I am Marie of Roumania.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER)
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:05:51 GMT

More DP:

De Profundis

Oh, is it, then Utopian
To hope that I may meet a man
Who'll not relate, in accents suave,
The tales of girls he used to have?


                General Review of the Sex Situation

                     Woman wants monogamy;
                   Man delights in novelty.
                 Love is woman's moon and sun;
                  Man has other forms of fun.
                  Woman lives but in her lord;
                 Count to ten, and man is bored.
                With this the gist and sum of it,
                What earthly good can come of it?

Experience

Some men break your heart in two,
Some men fawn and flatter,
Some men never look at you;
And that cleans up the matter.

Merry Christmas!
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@martha.utcc.utk.edu (StMeechTheThwacked)
Subject: Re: Weight loss
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:34:15 GMT

In article <machala.724374544@delphi> machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:
>
>For years I weighed 135 when I should've weighed about 165. I finally began
>working out and now weight about 175. Didn't change eating habits, just worked
>a couple times a week. working out seems to have triggered a reduction in 
>metabolic rate that is sadly irreversible for now I've had to switch to lite
>beer and watch my weight or I'll go right through the roof (or floor, if it's
>poorly constructed :) 
>

Of course, you could just drink less of the regular stuff!  :-)  

Actually, I have made the ultimate sacrifice of cutting back on the
cheeseburgers, and chicken wings so that I wouldn't have to cut back on the
beer.  This has made the staff at the lounge in the Garden Plaza hotel
very happy.

					Meech
From: sbate@atl.ge.com (Stephen)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: is deb's diatribe dull?
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:53:06
Organization: ATL
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sbate@atl.ge.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: mary.atl.ge.com
In-reply-to: bs584@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 16 Dec 1992 01:27:47 GMT

[Angry Duke writes...]
>>>
>>>   i just wanna talk about being self-indulgent. the stuff i write on
>>>   this group is total self-indulgence, and i've never pretended
>>>   otherwise. 
>>>
>> That's why it's so dull, sine.
> 
> And then he says some other things along that same vein.
> 
> I completely disagree.  I find a lot of what Deb says vastly interesting,
> and relevant to my life, even though my life is superficially
> quite different from hers.  She is one of the precious souls on this
> newsgroup with the ability to describe a feeling in such a way that
> it is immediately recognized by others, who may, like I, have wished that
> they could so elegantly and accurately identify their own feelings.

I partially agree with "Angry Duke". I don't find all of deb's
self-proclaimed stylistic and graceful postings dull, but I do find
them less interesting than the angsters who spill forth their raw,
unadulterated, _unadorned_ feelings and perspectives. My heart goes
out to those people. Many people desperately want to transcend their
angst and find peace, love, and happiness. I hope they find it. Often,
it seems to me that deb *loves* her angst and her ability to express
it. After all, it wins her admiration from people like you (and
herself). That's OK with me. I just don't find it very interesting or
useful.

> Maybe you see no value in certain posts.  It's obviously your privilege
> to avoid reading them.  If no one responds, Deb will get the message and
> stop posting.  But as long as other people in the group respond, and
> appreciate what she has to say, then it's valuable for her to share her
> thoughts.  It serves no purpose for you to post a negative response.
>
> -Jeanne

Does your negative response to Duke serve any more purpose? Beside,
Duke never said there was no value in Deb's postings, he just said
they were dull. In fact, he said they gave him insight that there are
"worse losers" than himself.

You have your opinion, other people have their's. As far as I know, we
all have the right to express those opinions here. As deb said...

  "i'm not going to say anything about the pretentiousness of passing
   judgement on dozens of people you don't even know... or of expecting 
   your comments to have a huge effect on those people."

                                          

--
Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: : Camus is my psychotherapist 
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:46:56 GMT

duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:

>Yes, those are the two ways to read a sine-post.  Shall we
>take a vote?

>        self-absorbed whining:     1
>        art:                       0

Why does it have to be either?  Whatever it is, I find that it makes much more
engaging reading than your random potshots.

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Subject: Re: everything
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:20:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.160359.22031@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>I thought the moral was not to stick your head in a chest full of apples,
>because somebody might slam the lid down on your neck.  


well, that, too.
and you should never get out of the house because you might get run
over by a car, or some sicko might kidnap you, rape you and kill you,
or you might be hit by stray bullets, or a rabid dog might bite you,
or or or....  and if you stay at home, be careful to not slip in the
bathtub and bang your head and suffer a concussion and not be missed
for days, don't get food poisoning, don't get electrocuted, don't open
the door to strangers, etc.
install an electronic security system in the house, get a gun, and have
your groceries delivered.  get caller id for your phone.
avoid close contact with people, because you might catch their germs
(or they might be crazy sickos who'll murder you).
never leave the house.
slowly rot to death.



yong-mi
curiously content
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: was i better off depressed?
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:49:12 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)

: Send them email?  's what I did.  There's got to be interesting net-people
: in Austin.  

part of the problem is that hte people i've burned out on are mostly
bulletin-board geeks (dunno how much bbs/net overlap there is around
here, though). and i haven't really run into that many austin
net.people online i wanted to email.

: if you're male, any email you send to interesting women is going to
: look like 'wannafuck' mail unless you're really careful.  You on
: the other hand, can send email to anyone you please.

true, except that males have been known to assume that mail from women
is wannafuck mail. it sucks being part of a group that's seen as a
scarce commodity online.

: There's also the club scene- is the punk club that was down
: at the foot of 6th street (or 5th?) still there?

i'm afraid that hanging out at emo's would just let me trade one set
of geeks with attitude for a slightly hipper set of geeks with even
more attitude. why bother?

--
sine | deb
besides, moshing with my housemate's dog to
"stigmata" on mtv last night was more fun.

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: everything
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:03:59 GMT

kimy@wam.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:

>Anyway the moral of the story
>is that I don't think it's fair to the children that the parents
>insist that the children believe in a lie.

I thought the moral was not to stick your head in a chest full of apples,
because somebody might slam the lid down on your neck.  

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.suicide.holiday
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Be Drunk (was Re: Depression)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:22:28 GMT

Many people have been airing out their feelings regarding alcohol and 
drunkenness.  I would like to point out an expert's opinion, an expert in
both angst and drunkenness.  Baudelaire.

Be Drunk, he said, with wine, with poetry, or with love.  To escape our
Master Time.  Badly quoted from memory, please excuse me.

I agree completely.
-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: age, christmas, booze
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:37:20 GMT

llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

> mhr@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (MH Ross ) writes:

>: I drive home.  I drive the
>: babysitter home.  He is sixteen.  I notice that he has drawn on his
>: baseball cap to change the word "SOX" to "SEX".  I wonder what his
>: sixteen year old hormones think of me.  I have no intention of
>: seducing the babysitter.  I just want to know whether a sixteen year
>: old man-in-the-making thinks of me, if even in the slightest way, as
>: an attractive, sexy woman, or just as the kid's mom, the man's wife,
>: the person responsible for the stale food in the refrigerator.

>this really resonates. the whole wanting to be seen as desirable, even
>by someone i have no intention of ever sleeping with. just knowing that
>someone who doesn't "have" to wants you. it's what rachel was talking
>about a while ago, the presence of desire being more important than
>the act. i once got involved with a much much younger male because he
>said to me unexpectedly and shyly, "i, uh, kinda want you." major ego
>boost.

I envy both of you for being able to wonder seriously.  The image of some
sixteen year old girl lusting after me is just too comical to consider.

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
From: thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: 'Nother typical angstful bastard
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:37:03 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

re: Steve Okay going home to sleep...alone, of course...
 
sigh...sleep....that's the thing you're supposed to do when it's dark 
out, hmm?
 
sigh....I've been getting that mixed up, of late....
 
When Marvin said his life was but a box of worm gears, he was 
understating my problem.  At least HE knew what filled his box...I got 
stuck with a load of thing-a-ma-bobs and whats-its that may well be 
broken, if I even knew what they were supposed to do...
 
Stephanie...


    Stephanie M. Clarkson : thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca         
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    What do you give the guy who  |  "Well, there are the usual           
    has nothing?                  |  things; flowers, chocolates,
     -- The wrong phone number.   |  promises you don't intend to
                                  |  keep."           - Cogsworth       
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger)
Subject: Re: happy holidays
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:43:45 GMT

In article <92351.085124IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio writes:
>Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 08:51:24 MST
>From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>Jo Namio
>Subject:    happy holidays
>fuck xmas, fuck new years, where's the goddamn beer?


Not in my fridge, unfortunately, since my housemate drank it all!

JPP

Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.suicide.holiday
From: lynn@physics.auburn.edu (Owen P Lynn)
Subject: Depression
Organization: Who knows? Who cares?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:48:11 GMT

What I've always found to get me in a really good funk, is
to just think about my life, and how utterly meaningless
and empty the whole world is around me. Some of my favorite
personal points to ponder:

         1. I'm a lifeless geek.
            a. I'm 20 and still a virgin
            b. I've had only one date
            c. My chances at meeting members of the opposite
               sex can only go DOWN as time increases. A
               graduate student who finds love? Shyeah,
               and monkeys might fly outa my butt. And how
               many professional scientists find love at the
               workplace? NOT MANY.
            d. For all intents and purposes, I am INVISIBLE
               to members of the opposite sex.

         2. The more we know about the universe, the more it
            seems pointless.
            a. everything outside of earth is extremely hostile
               to human life.
            b. 2nd law of thermodynamics
            c. big bang
            d. big crunch

         3. Humans are incredibly selfish, greedy, stupid animals
            with no long term memory, and no ability to think
            about the future. Who cares what happens? We're all
            going to be dead very soon, with respect to the universe,
            and even geological history. We're just a flash in the
            pan.

Hope that helps -- NOT
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 13:56:40 MST
From: <IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Bleep Christmas? No. Fuck Christmas
 <1992Dec9.171644.18218@cs.tulane.edu> <1992Dec15.114642.9667@csd.uwe.ac.uk>

GET WITH THE PROGRAM...THAT MESSAGE WAS FROM LAST WEEK.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: the usual Ian Hunter syndrome
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:09:02 GMT


ObInferiorityComplex: in 22 years, I have never been in a situation where 
someone I was interested in chose me when other alternatives (other guys, 
submersion in work/school, a good NBC Movie of the Week) existed.

Just ended a three year relationship (with various interests in other people
during the less emotionally-connected moments in it) a month or so ago, as 
my closest friend here on campus, a former lover, tossed me aside like an
old newspaper, and for once I said "that's enough bullshit" and cut off ties
completely.  Once another guy was interested in her, I was old news.

Same shit, last night, different person.  I expressed an interest, and received
word (through a friend, from afar) that it'd been summarily dismissed.

This one's still hooked on an old boyfriend, it seems, even though his
words to me when I approached him about her were "be my guest, she's yours"
(whatta guy, huh?).  Her response to her X-Mas gift from me and personal 
message on the card (not flowery, romantic or graphic, just a few thoughts
to counteract her usual tendency to put herself down) :

In person: A big hug, lots of smiles, and conversation.

From a distance:  "Oh, great."   (actual quote, relayed from a friend).

Wonderful.  Another Certified Case of "he's-a-sweet-guy-but-I-hope-to-Christ-
he's-not-interested-in-me..."

I have now officially run out of possibilities here on campus: every female
I know is either (a) taken, (b) not interested in ANYONE at the moment, or
(c) someone with whom things have gone badly in the past.  I received the
Suppository of Death[tm] from a friend of mine today, who described me as:
"well, you're just the kind of guy that everyone sees as a friend."

Just what I needed to hear.  Thank you VERY, VERY MUCH, dear.

Ian sang "All of the good ones are taken": sadly, even the mediocre ones don't
seem to have time for me any more.

Now, if you'll pardon me, I'm going to go off and have a nice, long sulk.

It's good for the soul, I hear.

--
          jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu /// have clue, will travel.
       ---------------------------------------------------
     It's time to see the world / It's time to kiss the girl
              It's time to cross the wild meridian
  Grab your bag and take a chance / Time to learn a Cajun dance
             Kid, you're gonna see the morning sun... 
Newsgroups: alt.angst