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From: ronnie@cisco.com (Ronnie B. Kon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Good/Bad Mazda Dealers?
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:27:40 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com

In article <14750054@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, paulw@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Paul Welch) writes:
|> RE: Sunnyvale Mazda-
|> 
|> Never bought a car there, mostly because of overly aggresive salesman.
|> 
|> The parts department has been pretty good, but replacement parts are 
|> expensive.

I went there once looking at Miatas.  Pushy salesman asks to quote a price
to me even though I'm not planning on signing that evening (I hadn't even
taken a test drive yet).  Always willing to get a first bid early, I 
agreed, so we went to the owner.  Owner is extremely rude, saying I'm
wasting his time--on the day I'm ready to sign, he'll make me an offer.

On the day I'm ready to sign, I'll be in another Mazda dealership.

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From: almanb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bob Alman)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:43:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Saab 900i Problems?
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Ford Thunderbird Owners Here!
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:23:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.194205.4127@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent) writes:
> This is a reposting of a recent call-to-owners of
> Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupes.  A few of us are
> interested in starting an association, for
> information, helpful hints, experiences,
> exchange, promoting the enjoyment of this
> vehicle.  If anyone is interested, email
> at awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
> Thanks
> 
> Adam Edwards
                Well Im interested, but I have a Super Coupe
        not a Turbo, gonna discrimate against me :)


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dcs@DIALix.oz.au (Dept. of Community Services)
Subject: Re: Right hand drive cars
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:40:27 GMT

In an earlier article John R. Levine made mention to the issue of Right hand
drive cars in the US.

I am an Australian an down here we drive on the left hand side of the road in
RH drive vehicles.  In the particular state I live in (Western Australia) our
law is that no vehicle can be licenced unless it it RH drive, so for fans of
American Muscle Cars this means an expensive Righ hand drive conversion must
be performed.

I personally own a 1970 Plymouth Duster, and in order to get it licenced it
had to be converted to RD drive, this cost approx $5000.  If you want to
convert a later model vehicle like a late eighties corvette you can expect
to pay up around 8 to 10 thousand dollars.

Although as of the beginning of this year the law concerning Left hand drive
cars was altered and we can now licence a LH drive car so long as it was
manufactured before 1970.  The catch is that we must clearly display a large
"CAUTION Left Hand Drive" sticker across the back of the car,  which can
destroy the look of the car.

So it sounds to me that if you can licence Right Hand drive cars over in the
US without a conversion or displaying some kind of warning, then you're
bloody lucky!

                                      Sheridan Butt.
                                      Perth, Western Australia.

P.S.    Mopar Rule Supreme!!!
From: js08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joseph J. Sapienza)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: CONVERTER RECALL
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:57:57 GMT
Organization: Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I HAD CALLED LINCOLN ON AN 1984 TOWNCAR THAT I HAD PURCHASED. I ALWAYS
ASK THEM ABOUT THE RECALLS AND THE ONE FOR THIS CAR WAS THE
CONVERTER.(IN MY CASE TWO).
I WENT TO ANY LINCOLN DEALER AND HAD MY REPAIR DONE AT NO CHARGE.
IT PAYS TO CALL YOUR MANUFACTURER.
THE NUMBERS ARE LISTED IN LARGER WHITE PAGES OR BY CALLING THE TOLL FREE
800-555-1212 ASSISTANCE NUMBER!
From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saab 900i Problems?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:18:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Oct14.181857.25989
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <3731@key.COM> srj@key.COM (Scott R. Johnson) writes:
>In article <3935@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct12.152315.3423@u.washington.edu> basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>> >Would you two please take this somewhere else?
>> 
>> 	Not until I've convinced *every* *reader* of rec.autos never, never,
>> ever to buy a Saab.  
>> 
>
>Well,  you're the *one* data point that has said to not buy one, and I've got about a dozen that 
>recommend otherwise.  Not to mention the recent dialog in this group, which, to say the least,
>doesn't exactly lend credibility to the argument...

	Yeah, but the door fell off!

--Ken
-- 
Ken R. Dye				an optimist is a guy		 |
Interactive Systems Corp., Chicago	that has never had		 | 
(800) LAI-UNIX x341			much experience			 |
dye@i88.isc.comm						archy	 |
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes - SMCC/CTE/OS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Miata or CRX? (del Sol)
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:35:25 GMT
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com


In article 92Oct9093417@deepthought.unm.edu, synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
>The Miata easily, easily wins out in handling.  As for build quality,
>I can't comment firsthand, but both Mazda and Honda have historically
>had good reputations for workmanship and quality ...

Not with my '88 RX-7 does Mazda have a good reputation for workmanship and quality.
My third RX-7, the worst quality of the three, my last Mazda.

--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Mark Barnes, System Engineer    |  <insert standard disclaimers here>
SUN Microsystems Computer Corp. |
Corporate Technical Escalations |  I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA             |  not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM      |
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cooling problem
Date: 15 Oct 1992 23:40:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Andy....sez in  another art. which i can't quote..but wish to 
respond to in fear that noone else has...he says that it is 
normal that the radiator "overflow" be empty, or that stuff evaporat
from it..well..maybe in the good old days. But not anymore.  Now, 
that stupid plastic tank is NOT an overflow resevoire(whatever).
They are now an integrated part of the cooling sytem.  This means, 
that they are a part of what's known as a closed loop system..this
means that stuff should NOT be lost to the atmosphere.  A cooling
system is PRESSURIZED.  Do you know the reason for this?  It's fairly
simple, really, but some peeple may not know.  When you increase the
pressure of a fluid, it's boiling point can rise significantly...
hence, the radiator system of a  motor needs to be pressureised sot
that it can work properly.  Also, i'd be willing to bet that if you
read your manual, it will tell you that you should check the fluid
IN the radiator, not that in the radiator.  In fact, if you look
at some of the new ones, there is NOT a radiator cap....just..
wanted to clear this up...hope maybe someone understands...oh..
i missed a detail..if you keep your fluid from boiling (raise
the boiling point) the fluid will be able to carry more heat..(
ie, be more efficient)...since it will maintian it's liquid proper-
ties at a higher temperature and thus carry that extra heat to the
convector..er..radiator.....thanx for indulging....sorry so long..
feel free to help me out...if you want..or not..heh..whatever..
thanx
DREW
-- 
So my last quote was way off...i screwed it up.. i'll come up with 
a new one sometime soon....
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes - SMCC/CTE/OS)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: ? Trustworthy tranny shop - SF Penninsula?
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com


Anyone have a recommendation for a trustworthy transmission shop
on the San Francisco penninsula?  Perferably Redwood City, Menlo Park,
or Palo Alto?   My RX-7 is asking for a new clutch, and I wish to make sure
he is treated properly.

Thanks,
---Mark
From: damong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Damon Francis Gentile)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:07:04 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct14.074916.15817@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>
>Saw an Aston Martin today. Gave the driver the thumbs up.
>


Last month I saw a Bricklin SV-1. reallllly funky !

Damon


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Brakes--HELP!!!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:37:29 GMT



>In article <1bk7v8INN2uo@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, wizard@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ajay Khanna) writes:
>|> I'm a very depressed car owner.  Midas just told me they want 633.80 +
>|> tax to fix my brakes.  Says me, "633 DOLLARS???"  Can anyone suggest a
>|> more reasonable way to get brakes fixed?  I'm just out of college and
>|> struggling to repay debts and really and truly cannot afford this.
>|> I'm even willing to try to fix them myself.  The car is a Nissan
>|> Sentra '81.  Apparently Midas wanted to fix front and rear brakes...
>|> 
>|> Any advice would be very much appeciated.  

I just did a break job on my car myself.  The going price around here is
only $250 for all 4 wheels.  That includes replacing the break
pads/shoes on all wheels,  rebuilding all wheel cylindars, clean and
regrease the bearings on all four wheels and replace all the grease
seals, draining the
fluid and replacing with knew, turning all drums or disks.  $633 dollars
sounds like either you have MAJOR break problems or they are scamming
you.  Did you find out what all was included in that price?  If you
needed knew drums or new disks I could see that kind of price as drums
or disks can get expensive.  Did they give you any idea what exactly was
wrong with the breaks?  If you have been driving with them cutting your
drums or disks for a while I could see such a cost.  We once had to
replace 2 drums on our car and it costed $600 just for the two drums.

Incidentally, I did the break job on my car myslef, it cost me $40.  I
made the mistake of buying my parts from advance auto so I spent $200
worth of frustration and took 10 years off my life due to anger and
stress as they sold me the wrong parts (every single part wrong) 3
times!  A job that should have taken me one afternoon took two weeks as
I waited for the correct parts to be ordered, and reordered, and
reordered.  I will NEVER buy from advance auto again!!!

Jim
From: jfrazer@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (janet.frazer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: looking for mazda rx7 mechanic
Keywords: rx7 mechanic wanted
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:06:10 GMT
Distribution: nj, pa
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories


I own an RX7 that's 5 years old with 103,000 miles on it.  I've had
dealer maintenance on it since it was new.  Yesterday, I had the
catalytic converter ($1000) replaced, and have decided I really should
try to find out if there's an independent mechanic somewhere in
northern/central New Jersey or eastern Pennsylvania that does
exellent work keeping RX7's on the road, for less money than the
dealer charges.

I've been very happy with the dealer service I've had, both at
Z&W in Princeton, and Flemington Car & Truck, but I know major 
things are going to start needing replacement.  Even with the
miles it's still a real beauty and is amazingly fun to drive.

Please e-mail responses.

Thanks,
- janet
Janet E. Frazer

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190 River Road, 4-210            voice: +1 908 522 5163
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 20:38:43 EDT
From: Michael D. Crafts <IO20017@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: OPEL GT & CORVAIR lovers wanted...

Just wondering if anyone else out there has any type
of interest in either of these cars...
    Would love to here from people who:
              -Own One...
              -Have owned one & can provide insight...
              -Know of sources for parts...
              -Have interesting stories about them...
          or  -Just want to chat about them :-)

                                     -Mike

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*  Univ. of Maine            * 1968 Chevy Corvair     *
*     -Dept. of Mech. Eng.   * 1972 Opel GT           *
*       (...only a undergrad)*   -What Next?          *
*    io20017@maine.maine.edu *   -Any other odd cars? *
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From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: top ten sellers of '92
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:10:16 GMT
Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University

In article <1992Oct7.184520.16092@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>In article <1at066INN3tr@gap.caltech.edu> hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) writes:
>>1992 auto sales (from LA Times)
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>1) Honda Accord       387,881
>So, it means Honda sold about 90,000 more Accords in U.S. than last year's 
>total auto sales in Japan...
>(Last year, about 300,000 cars were sold in Japan.  The majority of cars sold
>there were sub 660-cc minitures.  So, you think Japan is a big market, huh?)

Yes, it is interesting that HONDA sells more cars in the USA than in
Japan....  The Domestic market in Japan is more BRAND LOYAL than that
in the US.... so the recent upstart companies, like HONDA have not
penetrated the domestic market to nearly the degree that they have in
the USA.  In Japan TOYOTA and NISSAN hold a significant lead over
HONDA, much greater than in the US (where in cars alone HONDA leads
both.)

With the offshore production in the USA and Great Britan and
elsewhere, Honda will soon be an International company that produces
the majority of its automobiles OUTSIDE of JAPAN.

This will not be true for TOYOTA which has a much larger Japanese
plant capacity and smaller offshore capacity.

Honda has a significant share of market when you consider that it
produces neither a pickup truck nor minivan.  Even smaller companies
like Isuzu, Suzuki, Isuzu cover this segment of the market.

Honda also has abandoned the under 10,000 dollar segment of the market
with only ONE MODEL of the CIVIC (the base hatchback) having a MSRP
under 10K!  Odd considering that they have a larger share of the
microcar market in Japan and make a number of interesting products
that could be marketed in that price segment.  Even TOYOTA has kept a
TERCEL in the 7K range......
-- 
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Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
Seattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
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From: schottd@ucs.orst.edu (Derek Schott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: crossthreaded spark plug
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:26:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

Question number two: Anyone ever crossthreaded a sparkplug? What
is the best method for fixing this mistake without dropping the
filings down into the cylinder, and rethreading it?


-- 
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* Derek Schott                                Mail:schottd@ucs.orst.edu     *
* Department of Public Safety/OSP             Corvallis OR OSU              *
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From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:52:29 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.212552.10026@rchland.ibm.com>, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>In article <5489@balrog.ctron.com>, smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:
>|> ...air bags are fine, but they should be _optionally_ available ...

>just curious, but: why should air bags be optional based on a driver's safety
>concern/opinion and seatbelts be required?  why not have seatbelts optional?

Seatbelts add very little to the cost of a car and have verified and undeniable
safety advantages.  Air bags add a very great deal to the cost of a car, and
have not demonstrated safety advantages for people who do wear the standard
3 pt harness.  Some studies have shown they make no difference in fatalities
at all but may reduce injuries, others are ambivalent.  Until it can be shown
that the cost is worth the money, I believe people should have the option of
not getting air bags.  In a country where seatbelt use is 100%, I expect air-
bags to wind up being quite insignificant.

>are there statistics to show that my not wearing a belt will affect others?
>(ie. secondary collisions, etc.)  if not, i say the government has no business
>trying to protect me from myself.

I believe they do have such statistics, although I cannot vouch for their
accuracy or authenticity.  It does however, stand to reason that g forces
could remove an unbelted driver from the wheel of his car, even if he is
not otherwise incapacitated.  Libertarian that I am, I agree with you about
gov't meddling in safety.  But given what they are doing already with air
bags and mousebelts, I wish for a saner alternative to be put in place while
we address greater issues of gov't control and power in a more leisurely
forum.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: I need advice on '82 and '84 Porsche 928's
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:53:14 GMT

In article <winders-071092111245@macwinders.support.apple.com>, winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.203911.29061@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com
|> (Bradford Kellogg) wrote:
|> > There are 3 things to remember about the Porsche 928:
|> > 
|> > 1. The maintenance cost is astronomical
|> > 2. It costs an enormous amount to maintain
|> > 3. You need much disposable income to maintain it
|> > 
|> 1. True, if you take it to a dealer.
|> 2. True, if you take it to a dealer.
|> 3. True, if you take it to a dealer.
|> 
|> You can save a lot of money by taking a 928 to a third-party mechanic.

I'm looking forward to owning one in the future. The reliability
of the 928 is far superior to many other cars.  It is an excellent
touring car and a wonderful sports car.  Although, if I was nuts 
enough to buy one and not know enough about the basic tuning, etc of
the car, I would be broke in no time.  $75 hour plus Porsche
shop rates are unreasonable.  I'm mean these guys didn't even
suffer through Engineering Mechanics or Linear Algebra, so what
makes them so special?!?!  

I'll buy one, cause I like to get my hands dirty and I like to 
go fast...real fast (and not just on two wheels).  


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= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000                          |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: moonhawk@bluemoon.rn.com (David Culberson)
Subject: Wanted **  Tailgate for 1969 Dodge A100 Cab Forward Pickup  **  Want
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 00:23:54 EDT


  I wnt, nay, need a tailgate for a 1969 Dodge A100 pickup.  It is the
kind that use chain hooks to latch; one on either side.  Mine is rusted
very badly, and I want to restore it, and the tailgate is beyond salva-
tion.  Please, if you can help, help!  JC Whitney doesn't have it,
nobody in Hemming's Motor News has it, most have never heard of it!

   Thanks a LOT for any help you can give!

                David


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Subject: Re: Chevy Kicks Fords Ass Again!
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:42:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Because of this discussion (and I like the looks of GM's F-body cars)
I went out and bought a Car&Driver yesterday.  On the front cover was
the new Z28.

The first thing that entered my mind was that I do like the looks.
The second thing that entered my mind was that the workmanship doesn't
look any better than what they've done in past years...

     1) The headlights do not line up
     2) Hood/fender gaps are not even
     3) Driving lamps not straight

I would have thought that the prototype, hand-built model should be
near perfect, especially if it is going to be used for pictures!!!

Wes Fujii

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rep@genrad.com (Pete Peterson)
Subject: Re: Wanna be disgusted?
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:18:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.122516.19615@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
 >In article <1992Sep28.162231.13630@engage.pko.dec.com> g_stofko@kau100.enet.dec.com (George Stofko) writes:
 >
 >>Does this mean if you are given a car as a gift you have to pay some
 >>sort of sales tax on it?  I was given a car and had quite an argument
 >>convincing my local DMV that it was given to me as a gift as opposed to
 >>me purchasing it when I tried to register it.
 >
 >It gets better.  Apparantly, the gift thing only works between parents
 > and  their children i.e., between siblings -brothers, whatever, won't be legal.
 
 Apparently that depends on your particular state/province.  Even the
infamous Commonwealth of Taxachusetts didn't charge me sales tax on the car
I bought from my sister who was living in Missouri at the time.  They
didn't even require any proof that she was my sister; she's married and has
a different last name from mine.

	pete peterson
	rep@genrad.com
	{decvax,mit-eddie}!genrad!rep
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