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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: help!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:29:40 GMT
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In <SBILES.93Jan10171640@dante.nmsu.edu>, Susannah E Biles writes:

>accept them. And if I can get a few facts to atleast show him that he
>doesn't have to fear disease, then I am one step closer to happiness.
this isn't conclusive or anything, but for 16 years i've lived with up
to 5 cats, two dogs, and 6 parakeets, and for about the same time i've worked 
in a number of kennels and vet hospitals.  the only thing i ever caught from
them was flea bites, and i haven't had a flea in the house for at least
7 years.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: emm@voodoo.physics.ucsb.edu (ELISE MARIE MEYER)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Low Magnesium Cat Foot?
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:04:23 GMT
Organization: UCSB Physics Department


Does anyone know of any low Magnesium cat foods?  Our kitty just had a bladder
infection, and the vet recommended that we feed her a restricted Magnesium diet.
We have given her Hill's C/D, but she won't touch it.  We read the FAQ about
training your cat vs. being trained by your cat, but this is a neighborhood
cat that will just go and get food elsewhere.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Elise
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,talk.bizarre,rec.humor
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: Re: How Kitty shows affection
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats,talk.bizarre,misc.test,alt.sex,alt.rap,rec.humor
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:18:04 GMT

npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>
>Bonzo was another head-butter, but he always drooled like crazy when
>you petted him.  You'd end up drenched in kitty-drool after a petting
>session with Bonzo.

Maybe it should be Bedtime for Bonzo.
From: gnelson@megatest.com (Glenn Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Two Better Than One?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:56:35 GMT
Organization: Megatest Corporation

Probably the wrong group to ask this question!

I got Ace at the pound 3 months ago - she's now about 9 months old and
spayed, of course. I'm gone nearly 12 hours on weekdays and I think she's
pretty bored. When I'm home she follows me everywhere. I wonder if another
cat would work out?

Here's a problem: when I first let her out, she immediately found two
cats living in the back cottage. They're twice her size, but she terrorized
them back into their house and got cornered them under the bed there.
However, about 10 days later she was on the losing end of a fight
(nothing serious, just two punctures on her rump) and since then
will only go outside when I am there. She's really scared of these
other cats, but really they're very friendly, even to her; I think
the fight was with another cat.

A friend came over with his very friendly and very old dog. Jenny didn't
even see my cat. Poor Ace stayed in the same room with us the whole
time, possibly since she likes people so much, but stayed up on a counter
where she could watch the dog, too.

So I think she likes people a lot, but doesn't like other animals.
So folks, what do you think? Could another cat work out?

Glenn Nelson, Megatest, San Jose
gnelson@megatest.com
Phone: 408-441-3014
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: A moral dilemma
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:01:30 GMT

In <1i36vqINNnse@sumax.seattleu.edu> sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Wilde Dame) writes:

>In article <1i26spINNonk@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> carsten@pizza.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Carsten Schultz) writes:
>>In article <1i0cedINNbjt@sumax.seattleu.edu> sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (
>>Wilde Dame) writes:
>>..
>>> My point is that while your support of neutering/spaying is admirable, it
>>> is far better aimed at present owners of domestic cats than at strays.
>>..
>>
>>If I (and Webster's) understand the words correctly, it seems to me that
>>it isn't necessary to neuter/spay strays. Sterilizing should suffice.

>I sincerely hope this is not all you got out of that post.  Whether you
>neuter, spay, sterilize, alter, fix or break, you have to take the stray cat
>out of what has become its natural environment, subject it to a medical
>procedure, and then put it up for adoption, the which case guarantees the
>animal death if no one adopts it, except in the case of a tiny minority of
>shelters.

Could always do what folks in my parent's neighborhood have done: they
periodically round up the feral cat population that they all take a
hand in feeding, etc, and have them spayed/neutered.  Then they let
them run free again.  Often, if you bring in several cats at once, you
can get rate discounts, and they share the costs.  The really big
roundup was ten years ago, and they`ve neutered the occassional new
cat that joins the population since then.  It *is* nice not to have
the cat-fights under the window we used to have; and the cats are
still happily living their lives...

--Cindy
--
   Cindy Tittle Moore & Noisy Underfoot (bird watcher extraordinaire)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Feline Leukemia, stray visitor and our cats
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:04:39 GMT


My mom (a breeder) had at least 9 cats about 4 years ago (I think
she had more at the time, but how ever many it was it was alot).
Only one cat went outside at that time (a 12 yr old neutered male).
All of the cats had been vaccinated for Feline Leukemia.  One of
the kittens she sold got sick and the new owners found it had 
had leukemia.  My mom got all of the cats tested and found that
the cat who went outside had it, as did two of the adult cats
that stayed inside.  The vet said that she should keep these
3 separated from the rest for three months, and after that they
could be tested to see if they were just carriers or if they really
had the virus.  Fortunately I didn't have to be there, because
these 3 did have leukemia and my sisters said they were obviously
not well after 3 months.  They all had to be put to sleep.  I
would assume that if there was a cure the vet (who specialized
in cats) would have tried it.  This was a few years ago so maybe
something has been developed, but my understanding is that there
is no cure.  The vaccinations were about 80% effective last time
I asked my vet.  My cats are indoor cats but are allowed in the
(fenced) backyard under supervision, but they are vaccinated against
leukemia even though they don't come into contact with other cats.
This disease is HIGHLY contagious (I don't know the numbers but
they aren't good).  For the original poster -- you probably
should get your other cats tested.  I would.  I'm afraid of the
risks when I get my next cat, and I'll probably get the new one
tested before it comes to my house (although that isn't an
absolute guarantee either).       


Jamie

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               Harry  -- 4 month old Border Collie X

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               Zak    -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
               Duke   -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese
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From: mdorfman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: A favor to ask....
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:48:23 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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Summary: a humble request for sympathy cards for the loss of a cat.
Keywords: cats sympathy loss favor



I hope this is not against the rules, or in bad form or something, but I have
a favor to ask.....


My fiancee and I just lost our beloved cat of five years.  Gussie was hit by a
car a few weeks ago, and we miss her very much.  She was a wonderful, noble
cat, and taught us so much about love.  It has been a terrible loss for both
of us.
     


My fiancee is taking it particularly hard.  We just moved into a new house
(hence the busy road that took Gussie's life), and are new in town.  I know
a lot of people from work, and they have been a wonderful support, but my
fiancee is a student and hasn't made a lot of friends.

The favor:  If it is not too much trouble, would some of you cat-lovers out
there mind sending an e-mail sympathy card to my fiancee?  I am sure it would
help her to know that there are other cat people who can understand her loss.
It would really mean a lot.

Her name is Liz Stearns, and her e-mail address is:

e_stearns@uvmvax.uvm.edu

Thank you for your understanding & patience if I am breaking the rules....


Michael Dorfman
 







Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Picking a new kitten
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:48:55 GMT

In article <1ievhmINN16o@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
>People like this don't deserve cats. Only breeders have any chance
>of predicting the personality of a kitten. Anyone who wants a sure
>thing from a shelter should pick out a dog.
>
>Mary
>


Please don't say this either!!!  Anyone who can't keep a normal
kitten certainly doesn't deserve a puppy either!  I volunteer for
the local Humane Society and you should see the idiots who come
in looking at the dogs.  The sad thing is that the people we turn
away probably manage to buy puppies elsewhere.



Jamie


p.s. maybe the original poster should try to encourage the sister
to not get pets because they are too much work, mess, etc.  She's
already gone through a few so you could emphasize the problems and
hope that she changes her mind.  Its sad that she can't accept
cat problems as normal, but if you can keep her from hurting any
more kittens that would be an accomplishment.  Probably an impossible
one, but its at least worth a try.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: LS45 <LS45@UNB.CA>
Subject: Devon and Cornish Rex
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:33:23 GMT

Hi, I'm new, so please forgive me if this is somewhere else.
On the Dini Petty show recently they had an assortment of cats, one
of which was a Devon or Cornish Rex.  The man describing the breed
mentioned that the coat usually did not bother people with allergies,
since it produced less dander.  I was wondering if this is true, since
I am violently allergic to cats, and most encounters cause an asthma
attack.  I have also heard that it is actually the saliva that some
people are allergic to, and if this was the case with me, then I
suppose a cat with less dander still couldn't live with me.  Oh well.
Any other information on the breeds would also be helpful.
Thanks in advance,
D. Savoie
From: wd6cmu@netcom.com (Eric Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Human Nail Clippers
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:55:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.195553.11874
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

If you cut a little at a time, they're probably OK, but they can crush
the nail instead of cutting it if you try to take off too much.  I've
had good luck with a good pair of scissors or wire strippers (the 
scissors kind with a diamond-shaped opening between the blades), but
finally broke down and got "real" cat nail clippers.  Whatever you use,
make sure it's sharp.
-- 
Eric Williams     wd6cmu@netcom.com  |  Never attribute to malice that which
WD6CMU@WD6CMU.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA       |  is adequately explained by stupidity.
From: sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (   Wilde Dame)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: calico
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:33:33 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: world
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>MARIE HUCOVSKY (mpmarie@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>: Is it true that calico cats are always female and never male?

My very first cat, Mittens (RIP), was a jellicle, and the only male in a
litter of calicos from a calico mother.  Clio (whom I describe as a
Monet-does-calico calico :) ) and her sister are both calico, one male
from the litter was a jellicle, and one was an orange tabby (as was the
mother).  Is the jellicle marking a kind of calico, I wonder?
-- 
       Sheryl Stover  %  If you ask me what I have come to do in the world,
  & Hemingway & Clio  %  I who am an artist, I will reply: "I am here to
sstover@seattleu.edu  %  live aloud."                    -Emile Zola
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: dry catfood vs. canned???
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:03:54 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Dave Isaacs (disaacs@pietrzak.carleton.ca) wrote:
: Which is better?  I am preparing to aquired two cats (my first cats) and
: the books I have read all seem to be be all for canned cat food over dry
: (and semi-moist).  One book even said that dry cat food has been linked some
: feline disease (FUS I think), and that dry cat food's only advantage was 
: that it smells better to the owner.

: I am asking this because someone posted that all their vets agree that dry
: cat food is better than canned.  So what gives?

: Dave Isaacs

Dry cat food was linked to FUS.  It is a problem with the levels of ash
and magnesium.  Many brands altered their formulas accordingly and now
have a lower (safer) level of the culprits.  Dry food helps to keep the
teeth cleaner, to some degree replacing the action that would be provided
by chewing bones.  Dry food is also less expensive to feed than canned.

Semi-moist foods tend to have more additives for appearance, preservation
and owner palatability.  It tends to be the most expensive type of food to
feed.

Canned food cannot be left for free choice feeding as it will go bad, dry
out or both.

All of my cats have been raised on dry food.  I use canned food as a treat
when medicating.  I also use it while travelling to make sure that the
cats get enough water.  Other than that it is free choice dry food.  I
went to a new vet last week and she asked me what I fed my cats because
they were in such good condition.  So I guess it's working. :)

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: naming new kitty
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:16:37 GMT

Over a nice dinner out (for Renee's birthday) and after careful consideration,
we decided on the name "John Black" for Socrates' young protege, our new kitty.
Other than being the name of a somewhat annoying soap opera character, we
both like it.  Its simple, descriptive, and lends itself to scads of
nicknames  (we were using at least a half dozen of them before we had
actually got home to call kitty-cat him by his new name.)

...Demetri
From: f004@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: HELP! Cat doesn't use box....
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:14:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


I am a very frustrated pekingnese persian cat owner...My cat
refuses to use the litter box and I have tried the following things:
1-moved location of box to other rooms and places
2-changed to several different types of litters.
3-cleaned frequently and unfrequently.
4-changed the box itself..

I am out of answers. She will use it once every so often but never for
urination. Instead she goes in different spots all over my rug in
the living room and then a bedroom when I moved her upstairs. She will
only go in one bedroom upstairs....

Please send advice to BIll..
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: R1156C@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Dow)
Subject: Obituary... Twice...
Organization: Motorola
Date: 4 Jan 1993 11:06:10 MST

Well... To start off with, Vincent (My Maine Coon) was diagnosed with
Diabetes Insipidus (sp?).  Poor guy was having a very hard time of things,
and had to be put down.  From 4 cats, now down to three.

Moneypenny disappeared on Dec. 26th.  She *loved* the outdoors.  We let
her out that morning, and there was no sign of her that night.  Next morning,
nothing.  The same until the 28th, when next door neighbor rings doorbell:
    "Are you missing a cat?"
    "YES!  You've found her?!"
    "Yes... I was called at work today.. She's been under our bush for
     two days and hasn't moved."

     .... Oh no....  Wife and I go over with box and gloves....  Poor
     Moneypenny looks like she just fell asleep and never woke up.

From 3 cats down to two...
Luka (Cat #1) was depressed for a week over Moneypenny being gone... Midnight
(Cat #2) misses her playmate(s)...  *sigh*

There is some bright side to all this... We found a show-quality Coon Kitten
at the humane society.  If it isn't claimed by tomorrow morning, she's ours!
Welcome, I hope, to Athena!

..And life goes on...
From: cstss@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Thom Strohecker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Fungus Amoungus
Date: 10 Jan 1993 19:54:56 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Help Please!!!!
 	My Himmy has developed a fungal infection.  He is fighting the
treatments which include daily baths and medication.  We had to shave
him and now his hair is coming back a different color.  What is worse is
that now one of my other cats and my dog now have the infection.  I am
pulling my hair out with this.  He won't take his pills (when my husband
can catch him to give them) he ends up foaming them out of his throat.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,alt.drugs
From: lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe)
Subject: Re: Choice (was Cats and LSD)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:51:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.162019.3011@cnsvax.uwec.edu> drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:

>their owners are getting high.  other owners will pour a bowl of beer for 
>their dog. (I met one dog who is a regular partier -- with his owner)
>
>is this wrong?  should/shouldn't the pet's have the choice?

A very very good reason NOT to do this (ie give alcohol to a pet) is that it
can kill them.  Amount that is fatal varies with the size of the pet.  I have
heard that for cats it can be as little as a tablespoon of table wine. (I
heard this from my vet.)

LAR

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Picking a new kitten
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:20:17 GMT

My sister has been having a hard time getting a kitten that is
compatible with her family.  The first kitten they picked was mean,
or so they said, and would bite and scratch something awful.  It
especially seemed to pick on my sister, and she's not the most
tolerant person in the world.  So she took it back to the cat
rescue place she got it from.

The second cat had a darling disposition, but it disappeared into
the great outdoors and never returned.

Sister decided to get her daughter a new kitten to replace the one
that disappeared, so they got a tyke from a pet store.  The shop
said it was 6 weeks old, which in my opinion is just TOO young
to take away from it's mom.  Who knows how long it had been away
from momma anyway.  They didn't like this kitten because it meowed
incessantly.  So they took it back.

I've had cats that were weaned too early, or taken away from their
mothers too young.  They seemed to have difficulties adjusting
to anything in life.  They often "nurse" on soft sweaters and blankets,
and just seem to have weird personalities (IMHO).  I don't really
like my sister's method of picking kittens out that are so young and
then returning them because their dispositions or needs don't fit 
her schedule, but she does it anyway.

So, I'm trying to encourage her to get an older kitten that has been
with it's mom for a goodly length of time.  I tell her to be sure and
pick it up and hold it and see how it reacts to humans and be sure to
wear something soft.  I tell her if the kitten "nurses" on her clothing 
that it isn't going to be a good choice for her.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for picking out a good amiable
kitten?

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
From: at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Amputation
Date: 11 Jan 1993 06:53:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000) says:
>In article <93008.132436FHSKRS@BYUVM.BITNET> <FHSKRS@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>>...  The vet thinks we need to take off the paw.  I find this
>>quite distressing!  I know it's probably for the best, and since the
>>crippled paw hasn't slowed her down, I doubt that losing it altogether
>>probably won't either....
>
>In fact, not dragging the crippled appendage around will probably speed
>her up some.  Cats and dogs do amazing well with three limbs.
>
This month's Cat Fancy magazine has an article on a cat named
"Stubby" who was born with no back feet at all. He apparently
walks on the front ones like a duck. They're adaptable :-)
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