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From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Subject: Re: log book
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:36:08 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep2.065633.28521@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, smithm@cn.ecn.purdue.edu writes:
>
> BTW has anyone out their in netland taken
>any animals while in velvet?  I'm asking because I now have three sets
>of whitetail antlers in velvet and I don't know how to preserve them
>in that state. They are kinda unique, and I'd like to keep them in
>velvet. I currently have them in freezer and they have kept well
>temporarily.(one set has been in there since Aug '90) Any suggestions?
>I'm especialy looking for someone with experience preserving velvet.
>
	A friend of mine is a professional taxidermist and has mounted
  a number of deer in full velvet.  I don't know all the details, but
  I know he uses a hypodermic syringe to inject formaldehyde into the
  velvet in many different places to preserved the tissue. Perhaps
  you could ask a taxidermist in your area for some help - many are more
  than happy to help others get started (depending on just how busy they
  are ;-) ).  NOTE: FORMALDEHYDE IS A POWERFUL CARCINOGEN - DON'T USE IT
  WITHOUT PROPER VENTILATION AND PRECAUTIONS!

  -Bob

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From: eden@4ccvw70.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: What Handgun to Defend against Bears??
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:54 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Sorry about that. I was just trying to get the point across.

JerDOG...NRA rules
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From: biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca)
Subject: Re: bowhunting with fingers
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:31:47 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.061909.26272@doug.cae.wisc.edu> artieh@eng.clemson.edu (artie hughes) writes:
>Dear Dan,
>   I may be cheating, but I prefer to use a commercial string release
>while hunting and target shooting. As for the deer-kabob, my bow's set
>on 65 lbs. and I've never failed to shoot all the way through a deer.
>Then again, I've never shot a deer in the butt.


I'm with Art - I use a release, peep, and sightmaster when hunting.  It
takes a bit longer to aim, but it is more accurate, especially when wearing
heavy clothing, camo facemasks, etc.  I just won't take a shot that requires
instant response.  With a treestand you don't generally have to rush the shot.

I haven't stuck one yet, but everything I've read and seen indicates that
with sharp broadheads and bows over 45 pounds the arrow generally goes
clear through, though it occasionally hangs up on the fletch.  Striking
bone can of course stop it.

Alan K Biocca
From: artieh@eng.clemson.edu (artie hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: bowhunting with fingers
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:19:09 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Dear Dan,
   I may be cheating, but I prefer to use a commercial string release
while hunting and target shooting. As for the deer-kabob, my bow's set
on 65 lbs. and I've never failed to shoot all the way through a deer.
Then again, I've never shot a deer in the butt.

Art Hughes
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Ricochets and BB's
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:18:27 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul) writes:

   I would like to mention the safety hazard of shooting BB's around
   sidewalks and cement areas.  This is a sad, but true story.  We
   used to have problems with stray cats where I used to live.  Besides
   thinking our backyard was the worlds largest litter box, they used
   to fight with our neighbors cats.  Our neighbor's house cats were
   no match for these seasoned alley cats.  

   To help scare the cats off, I got a good pellet gun.  Note the word
   'scare'.  I had plenty of opportunities to shoot the cats, but I 
   didn't.  Usually, I would just shoot a BB next to them, and they
   would run off.  I never shot at cats wearing collars, because they
   probably belonged to someone.

My family's situation and solution were both slightly different.  In
our case, the cats were catching birds out of the feeder in the yard;
we wished to protect them.  We bought a not-terribly good BB gun, and
shot the cats.  A sufficiently low-powered gun did not break the skin;
it stung but the cats were not injured.  Certainly there was a risk of
injuring the cats (though it never happened); but the cats were
killing the birds.  I'm not going to claim any sort of moral
superiority for prey over predator, but we wanted the birds and not
the cats!

   One time, I shot at this cat by the trash can.  The BB hit the
   cement, and bounced up.  Right about then, the cat looked right
   at the BB, and got hit in the eye.  The cat ran off, and I didn't
   see it again for about a month.  When I did see it, the cat was blinded
   in the eye where the BB hit him.  I felt really bad, actually worse
   than if I would have just shot the cat and killed it.  I quit shooting
   at the cats after that.

   BB's are very dangerous around concrete areas.  A human could have
   been injured just as easily, or a window could have been broken.  If
   I were using lead pellets instead of BB's, it would't have ricochetted 
   and the cat would be ok today.  

It's not just concrete areas.  I knew another kid in the neighbohood
who was blinded in one eye by a ricochet from a stump.  BB guns are a
very good place to practice gun safety with your little ones -- when
they are able to follow rules about not pointing rubber dart guns at each
other then they can have BB guns; this is as sort of a test for when
they can move up to firearms.  When they've gone a year or so without
ever once thinking about screwing around with the BB gun, you can
start to think about a .22 for them.

-Joe.
From: kpruett@st6000.sct.edu (Kenneth Pruett)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Archery Range Between the Lakes (KY)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:25:45 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

} From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
} Subject: Archery Range in Land Between the Lakes, KY
} 
} Of interest to those traveling about with their bows and arrows:
} there is a very nice archery range in the TVA Land Between the Lakes
} in western Kentucky.
}
 ---Deleted Description of Range---
 
} Thought I'd let you know about it in case you wandered into the area.
} 
} Mary Otto
} 
Thanks...my wife has relatives in Paducah and we visit up that way about
one a month or so.  Ill have to stop by there.

} P.S.  If you find any black arrows with red and white feather fletching
} when you're out there, mail 'em to me.
} 
Ok.....will email do????   ;-)


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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Goin' hunting
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:23:15 GMT
Organization: therev.UUCP - A Dinky Usenet Node in Los Alamos, NM
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


    I'll be off hunting antelope, dove, coyote and rabbit (Private land
license - Yippee!!!!) from Friday, August 29 through Wednesday, September
2nd.  I think the archive server will behave itself reasonably well while
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    Looking for that 19" pronghorn -
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From: halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph")
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Feedback
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:24:33 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

1. For Mary Otto: as we used to say in the Navy "Good on you,Mary" I
like your attitude and you articulate the problem very well. Ever
consider going to work for the NRA in the PR department? (Nah, I
wouldn't wish that on you!)

2.For Clarence Chang: Color me green with envy. Now thats the kind of
damage control I could get into. Your right you've wetted my appetite.
Nice stories.

3.For Joe Semrad: I know what you mean about 16ga shells. But being
the nice guy that I am (always looking to help out a fellow
sportsman!) I'd be willing to take that old 16ga mod 12 off your hands
for say... $50. That would leave room in your rack for that new gun
you've been talking to the wife about!

P.S. Regarding your note about the other Jack, the guys up here in
Boston are starting to take up a collection for Jack Clark, seems he
has run into some financial difficulties. Care to contribute?
From: SCHULTZ@admin1.usask.ca (Robert Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Pig hunting
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:19:26 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


	I have enjoyed much of the information that passes through
this net. I am also the editor of a newsletter for the Saskatchewan
Black Powder Association and I have found it interesting to use
articles from this network to provide some avenues of expand(ed/ing)
interest for our membership. In the last newletter I pulled together a
fairly lengthy article on pig hunts. At our meeting this past weekend
I received a specific request for details on a knife hunt from someone
who had the opportunity to do this in Texas about 15 years ago, missed
the opportunity and had his interest sparked by the article in the
newsletter.

	Unfortunately, although I have given credit to the authors of
the postings, I failed to keep their internet addresses.  People's
posting that were included in the newsletter are:

	Hamid Mir
	Shawn (I included the address for Maurice Chambers, TX)
	J.M. Spencer
	George Patterson

If any of the above people (or others) have information on 'knife' pig
hunts, perferably in Texas (or states further north) please forward
information to me.

Thanks,

Robert Schultz
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From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower)
Subject: Congress votes on deer hunting ban in Mason Neck refuge
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:56:21 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


To see how YOUR Congress person voted on H.R. 5503, a ban on deer
hunting in Virginia's Mason Neck Wildlife Refuge, see this months
(Sept./92) American Rifleman. The bill was defeated 255 to 160.

I don't have time to type this list in, if you need your representatives
vote - send me a message with his/her name.

This is all we need, Congress taking an ACTIVE interest in game management.

...rich
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Bear Bells joke (was Re; Hunting Joke)
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:25:15 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

"Bear Bells" joke deleted to save bandwidth)

Now THIS is a funny joke!

Ken
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From: chris@lightnin.columbiasc.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Another: Need first rifle recommendation
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:56:46 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.061945.26406@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodii.columbiasc.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.094543.12274@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato) writes:
>>
>>I too am looking for my first rifle, but not first gun. I grew
>
>[Stuff deleted]
>
>>Well, I'll eventually get into bow, but for now I though picking up a rifle
>>and still gun hunting would get better results quicker.
>>
>>30-30 lever actions seem to be pretty popular as a good short range rifle
>>for most of the woods around here, but I was thinking more about a 30-06 
>>                ^^^^^
>
>Hey Michael, I will extend the same advice to you as I did to Matt
>Harrington. I recommend the .270 winchester.
>
> stuff deleted
>
>The .270
>is good for 200-300yd shots so why not just start out with the .270??
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Good Luck..
>
>Keith

     The original poster made references to hunting in the "woods",
and the follow-up article made reference to long shots (200-300yds).
I have hunted in a lot of different areas---woods and fields
included---and chose my shots accordingly.  I use a 30-06 because of
its' versatility: 180gr in areas with undergrowth and folliage and 55
gr at 150+ yds.
    Irregardless (sp?) of what you do choose for a rifle Mike, keep in
mind that its' versatility in shot is also important.

p.s.  I have hunted a lot in New York.  The times I hunted in
Westchester county I was in thick woods with lots of hills and sight
distance was limited--no need for distance shooting.

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From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: 30-06 for woodchucks
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:25:01 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug24.085040.26908@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ce0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Clifford Andrew Erickson) writes:
>
>Hi, I am new to this group and I have a question.  In the great state of
>PA it is illegal to hunt with a semiauto, and this bars my AR-15 as a
>woodchuck gun. (Hey, stop chuckling, my scoped H-Bar does quite well out
>to 200+m). As a result I intend to use a 30-06 bolt gun.  I would like
>to use 110 gr. bullets, but I don't have the time to work up a good
>load.  Does anyone know if there is a commercially availible 30-06 round
>that has a 110 gr. bullet?  I don't relish the thought of trying to find
>a woodchuck that has been hit with a 180 gr. bullet.  

You just _may_ find that the lighter bullet does a great deal more
damage, due to the greatly increased (potentially) velocity.  As an
example, a 150-grain .30-06 bullet will break up a crow pretty badly,
but a 52-grain .22-250 bullet, from a somewhat smaller case, will
reduce a crow to a pink fog raining feathers.

But if you don't care what's left, one of the major manufacturers (I
forget which one) makes sabot rounds for the .30-06, with light bullets
and the attendant high velocity.

Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Tree Stands
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:25:34 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 In article <1992Aug20.074204.24522@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, Brian Vander-
wettering writes:
>I've decided to try using a tree stand this year to get my deer.  Our
>summer has been very hot and dry and I don't think it'll start raining
>just because deer season opens.  So at least for the early season, still
>hunting is out.

>Does anyone have input on this?  I'd probably go for a good climbing stand
>if I can get it for $200 or under.

I like the two piece "face the tree" type tree stands. I own a Warren and
Sweat "Rifleman" which is lightweight, easy to pack, and comfortable. I 
paid $75 for mine about 5 years ago and I know they have gone up to at 
least $109 in Gander Mountain. I also have a Tomcat made T.C. Ind. in Ga.
This is a nice stand with all welded construction that I bought for $100
and it is easy to use also. Two other guys in my club have one of these.
 Stryker Ind. in North Carolina makes one called the Tree Cat. These are
a bit heavier duty and cost around $150. Two other guys in my club use
these. The important things to remeber are to get a stand that is light
as possible, easy to carry in and out, and is easy to set up and climb
up and down a tree with and also very comfortable. If you get one that
is a pain in the butt to sit in, pack around, set up and take down, you
will tend to leave it at home more often.  TIP: ALWAYS TIE the two pieces
together with four feet of nylon cord in case the bottom part drops. 
 You should be able to find one you like for $200, however.

>Otherwise I'd like to build a couple of my own semi-permanent models.
>Does anyone have a good set of plans that work?

What most people do here is to find one you like and copy it.

>How do you get the non-climbing types into the tree?  I can't imagine
>packing an extension ladder into the woods.

You use tree steps that screw into the tree. Once you get to the desired
height, you pull up the lock on stand and secure it to the tree.

>Ok, let's assume you've got into your tree stand and are sitting there
>waiting for "BIG BUCK" to wander by.  How do you keep from going stir
>crazy?

I watch the other animals and birds and the nice sunsets and sunrises.
But mostly I keep my eyes and ears open for sign of the Elusive White
Tail Buck (tm). ;-)

>Lastly, how big should the tree be?

I like them to be about a 12-14 inches diameter at the desired height 
but I will use smaller or larger trees in necessary.


>--
>"It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
>be without effect..."
>
 >- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803

Keith
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From: boardman%cancer.unm.edu@lynx.unm.edu (Bob Boardman)
Subject: Re: Smelly Ol' Bears
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:55:22 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.061845.26173@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu (Mike Marler) writes:
>
>Bears have the *wonderful* habit of having urine (and probably other items)
>cling to their fur.  Thus they tend to give off a strong smell which I
>find tends to remind me of the smell of skunk.  I am sure that others
>in this group that have dealt with bears more than I can comment on it
>firsthand.
>-- 
>Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
>Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
>Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
>
	My wife and I were hiking down a narrow canyon in the Gila
  Wilderness a few years ago, and we kept catching little "whiffs"
  of something *REALLY* rank.  This canyon had narrowed to where the
  walls were 20-30 feet apart, but 60-80 feet high on both sides, so with
  the frequent twists and turns, it was impossible to see very far in
  front or behind.  As we proceeded, the smell became stronger and
  stronger - not really like skunk, more like a really stinky wet dog
  that had never been washed.  Proceeding around the next corner in the
  canyon, we discovered a LARGE steaming pile of bear scat, complete with
  hair, berry residue, and other unidentified objects.  It was so fresh,
  (like no older than maybe 5 minutes from the way it was still steaming)
  we opted to take a break and let the bear get a little farther ahead
  of us, rather than catching up to it and maybe surprising it in such
  confined quarters.  The canyon was named "Little Bear Canyon", but from
  the size of the pile, I guess the big ones use it, too.

  -Bob

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From: keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Tree Stands
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:46:03 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


 
Brian dixon  (dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.092535.25546@doug.cae.wisc.edu> keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
> >
> > [lots of good info about tree stands removed for space]
> >
> >You use tree steps that screw into the tree. Once you get to the desired
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >height, you pull up the lock on stand and secure it to the tree.
> >
> 
> Oooooo!  You DOITY WAT!  Don't DO THAT! 

I don't.  I was merely suggesting to the original poster how some hunters
put up their lock-on type tree stands which I don't use. I use two-piece 
portable climbing stands only which cause almost no damage at all. (If you
climb the same pine tree alot, the bark can get worn off)  Using screw-in
steps just never apealed to me. That method just seems to be alot of hassle
to me. With my portable stand, I can walk up to a tree, unpack the stand,
set it up, and then climb up 20 or 30 feet and be hunting in less than five
minutes.


> Screw-in tree steps work
> great for the hunter, but are quite often a death-blow to the
> tree...unless you leave your screw-in steps in place forever!

True.

> Tree-eating insects and diseases just LOVE those holes you leave to
> attack the tree.  And in many types of trees, the root network below
> the ground becomes one large network from pressing and growing
> together, thereby allowing the diseases/bugs to spread to a whole
> colony of trees!  Fir species, especially Douglas Fir, are especially
> prone to this problem.
>

Interesting that trees can network together. Would that be ThinNet or
ThickNet? :)
 
> Responsible hunters (no flames intended) look for steps that don't
> require damaging the tree.

Agreed. In fact, most of the land that is leased (be it public or 
private) in S.C. is owned by paper companies and they specifically
forbid the leasee's from using any nails, steps, or anything else that
may damage a tree. Why you may ask?  Two reasons. The first is like Brian
stated; this invites parasites and disease into the tree. Second,
a nail can ruin a really expensive saw blade at the lumber yard. 


Keith 
   
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