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From: AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:45:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.171002.6403@rs.com>,
hamid@west.rs.com (Hamid R. Moazed) writes:
>[bunch of merely bad movie's titles deleted...]
>
>No one mentioned "Dances With Wolves"! It was tourture to watch, but
>my date (last time I took her to a movie :-) wanted to stay. Damn it
>was bad! Enough self-ritous sentimental crap to qualify for the
>Spielberg "mushy-and-heart-warming" award. If I wanted my heart warmed,
>I'da stuck a hot soldering iron in my chest.
>
>P.S. Here's a plug for "Unforgiven", one of the *least* sentimental and
>self-ritous movies I've ever seen. Totally awsome.
>
>---
>       Hamid R. Moazed | "The drill bit lodged in my skull
>      Engineering Lead |    causes me no small amount of pain,
>  Renaissance Software |  but as I recall life without it
>         Los Altos, CA |    was really much the same..."
>   email: hamid@rs.com |                        -KILLDOZER
>

Never agreed more in all my life.  Try "Black Robe" and compare.

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner...Director's cut
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:37:17 GMT

In article <svedberg.716235504@msi.umn.edu>, svedberg@s20.msi.umn.edu (Eric J. Svedberg) writes: 
|>    If you look at the running times of each (original and Tenth aniversary)
|> the tenth aniversary is 2 minutes shorter.  Haven't viewed it though, so
|> can't help you on the differences.
|> 
|> eric
|> -- 
|> Eric J. Svedberg      | Minnesota Supercomputer Inst. | svedberg@msi.umn.edu
|> Technical Support     | 1200 Washington Avenue South  | DoD# 396, 1987 YX600
|> Network Manager       | Minneapolis, MN 55415         | "Anytime!" MSG 1990


I have a BR video from a few years back as well as the 10th anniversary
release and both have identical playing times (117 minutes I think).
Since the Director's cut of BR has just been released to theatres last
week, it doesn't make sense for them to release the Director's cut on
video for a few more months ...


Shiv
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: drpete01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Dean Peters)
Subject: Re: R. Kern
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 07:37:44 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville
Keywords: Kern

In <1992Sep14.020441.16708@hubcap.clemson.edu> trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:

> drpete01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Dean Peters) writes:

> >The people at the video store said they were going to purchase "Hardcore R.
> >Kern vol. II" sometime in the future.  I think they should get it _NOW_!!!

> These two Richard Kern compilations are distributed by Film Threat 
> Video Guide magazine and can be ordered directly from them.  Just head 
> down to your local (good) news stand and pick up a copy of FTVG...
> there are lots of movies available from them directly, besides those
> by R. Kern.  Others of note would include those Nekromantik films

Yeah... I've got the Nekromantiks, and Der Todesking.  I saw a preview for 
Red on the Nekromantik videos... It looks promising.  I LOVED the Nekromantik
movies.  I wish I hadn't missed the thread a while back.

> discussed here not too long ago, and a film called _Red_ which is based
> on the legendary underground prank call bootleg tape which has been
> circulating for years, and features the acting of Lawrence Tierney
> (Prizzi's Honor)...
>  
> Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
>  
>                                                      +-----------+
>                                                      | _> ###    |
>                   fleshy from the wetter             |     |     |
                                                       +-----------+
drpete01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu
Dean R. Peters
blah blah blah

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Bladerunner & W.S.Burroughs
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.150133.7162@muppet.bt.co.uk> carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk writes:
>I was watching Bladerunner again last night, and I noticed that at the
>end of the credits there is one along the lines of...
>
>"Thanks to William Burroughs and Alan Nourse for use of the title
>Bladerunner"
>
>Being a bit of a Burroughs fan (ok, a _lot_ of one) I was curious and
>looked it up in the excellent biography of him by Ted Morgan, in there
>it mentions that he produced a screenplay called Bladerunner, the plot
>outline of which sounded very similar to "Do Androids Dream Of Electric
>Sheep." tho there was no mention of P.K.Dick.
>
>Which raises a few questions...
>
>1) Before the film was made, where there a number of screen plays by
>	different authors being considered?  Or did Burroughs' do this
>	completely seperately?
>
>2) Who is Alan Nourse?  He isnt mentioned in the Burroughs bio.
>
>3) Has anyone read this screenplay?
>
>Cheers,
>Carl

Burroughs did indeed write a "Screenplay" called "Bladerunner". It has nothing 
to do with P. K. Dick, or the film we know as "Bladerunner", and is actually 
more of a short book than a screenplay. It is written in the Screenplay style,
 but seems to be a script for a "movie in the mind". 

Alan Nourse is/was a Science Fiction writer who wrote a book called 
"Bladerunner", in the '50's I think. It's a medical science fiction novel,
and has nothing to do with the movie. Burroughs had to clear his title with
Nourse, and the filmmakers had to clear it with both of them.

Sorry if this dissappoints you.

					--Judex--
From: kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp (kevin brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: More Greenaway
Summary: good? bad? why?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:08:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <gunnarh.93.716192581@dhhalden.no>, gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
> 
> He's got one -1- good film. It's a collection of 3 short films. The first 
> one anout people that fell out of windows in a little village in England. 
> The second about people surviving the strike of lightning. And the third and 
> final part about dead bodies fished out of the Seine in France. Totally 
> smashing film.
> 
> ------G

Although people I talk to about Greenaway's films give me a wide range
of responses, I find theat the negative ones are based on some concept of
movie "reality" that they think movies should adhere to.  One or two have
found _The Cook..._ "revolting" because of the belly-button-eating scene.

Since I usually find much more "revolting" scenes in movies such as 
_Total Recall_, I wonder why one should object so much to the overtly
theatrical violence that occurs in Greenaway's movies.  Similar things
can be said of the portrayal of sexuality in these films.

Could you explain your reasons for not considering movies such as _ZOO_ and
_The Draughtman's Contract_ to be "good" films?

regards,

kevin 
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Various stuff RE Aliens, Terminator, etc.
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:22:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.235339.14659@cltr.uq.OZ.AU> greg@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Greg Hall) writes:
>fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep1.195645.7269@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mowen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Guinny) writes:
>>>In article <92245.123133TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>
h
>>>	Well, if you mean the woman who played the foster mother
>>>in T2, that was definitely not Vasquez (Vasquez was definitely
>>>of Latin American descent).  
>
>>Jeanette Goldstein is no more Latin American than I am, but she
>>did play the part of Vasquez.  Amazing what a little makeup, and
>>a good number of workouts in the gym will do for someone, huh?
>
>>If JG *was* the foster mother in T2, then, having seen her in
>>Aliens and Near Dark, I'd have to say that she's as versatile
>>appearance-wise as any actress I've ever seen.
>
>	AND
>
>	Jeanette Goldstein also appears in Lethal Weapon II
>	as one of the cops (called Shapiro or something like 
>	that). She looks different again here too.
>
>	Can I give the awards for the directors who reuse
>	actors/actresses the most to James Cameron and
>	David Lynch (Jack Nance, Laura Dern, etc) ?
h
	What about Martin Scorsese (Robert Deniro), or Roger Corman (Vincent
	Price), or Stuart Gordon (Jeffery Combs), or... etc.

		-Casey Hopkins
		hopkins@agora.rain.com

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Rocky Horror...Where?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.012151.3445@ucselx.sdsu.edu> maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Generic Account 1104) writes:
>  _The Princess Bride_ has its merits, but it's too pseudointellectual to
>deserve cult status (though it won't be the first p.-i. film to get a
>following; _Buckaroo Banzai_ f'r instance). 
>  If anything should be a cult film, it should be one of the recent cool-as
>-hell-but-still-unsuccessful films that could use a commercial boost, like
>_Cold Heaven_ (ooooh, I _love_ Ms. Russell in that flattering slip! Yeow!), or
>_Q & A_, or _Closet Land_, or _The Adventures of Baron Munchausen_, or...
>or... or... geez, my CPU's gone ape. Anybody else have any recent favorites
>they'd like to nominate?

		_Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead_!!!!!!!

			-- Stewart "heads" Tame

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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: For Slacker Fans...
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:34:06 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

For all you folks who enjoyed Slacker, Richard Linklatter has
just release a book of the film (on St. Martin's Press for
$14.95) with script, various illustrations, interviews, actor
profiles, etc.  It' much like another book, Douglas Coupland's
Generation X (and Coupland introduces the Slacker film book).  
--
                               - Curt Tsui -
      			     curt@Virginia.EDU
   "Happiness might very well be a glandular condition." - David Cronenberg
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: cont.
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:55:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep10.010744.18192@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Hi guys, sorry about this. This is a continuation of my last post. Anyways,
>someone asked whether the Princess Bride would make a good cult movie. I say
>absolutely. I mean, one of the best criteria for a cult movie is whether the
>dialogue is recitable along with the movie, and PB definitely qualifies.
>("...I shall be very put out.")
>Worst cult movie I ever saw: oo, gotta be "Ro-Man". This flick was 
>reportedly made on a 16,000 dollar budget, and you can tell. The plot concerns
>a scientist and his assistant and family, trapped on a planet with an alien
>who looks like Oscar the Grouch with a fish bowl on his head. The best part
>of the movie was when Ro-Man captured the scientist's teenage daughter. Upon
>being ordered by the alien Mission Control to kill the girl, Ro-Man stared
>soulfully into her cleavage and announced, "I must...but I cannot". I saw
>this movie at a 24-hour sci fi movie marathon in which it was considered
>good taste to yell things at the screen a la Rocky Horror, and everyone
>proceeded to yell the above line whenever they felt like it. There was 
>another movie being shown at the same festival called "Earth VS The Flying
>Saucers". I couldn't face that one--too scary--so I retired to my then-
>boyfriend's house to play NetHack. (Looking back, I might have been better
>off with the movie, but never mind.) Anyways, sounded like a sleeper.
>				Rosaleen Dhu

I saw this movie on "Mystery Science Theater 3000," under the title
Robot Monster.  Clearly one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

Ro-Man: "I must... but I cannot.  But I must..."
Joel: "But you cannot!"
Tom: "Boy, this guy's deep!"

(Or something like that)

You should have skipped the marathon altogether and just played NetHack
all night.  You would have been better off.
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 07:29:08 GMT

shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>In article <chil.715671726@sfu.ca>, chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>|> sex, lies, and videotape

>Sex, Lies and Videotape was great ! You were perhaps expecting something
>else but the intensity and the way it explores sexual relationships is
>amazing. And considering almost all of it is just interior shots of a
>handful of actors. No special effects or anyhting ! Pretty amazing.

No, I knew what the movie was supposed to be like before I saw it. It
explores sexual relationships all right, but that alone does not make a
movie good, or even adequate. sex, lies and videotape sucked because
(a) it was boring [cardinal sin for a movie], and (b) there wasn't even
some kind of moral or lesson or message that made you think about
relationships in general.

What did we have? One rocky marriage, one "straight" (as in plain vanilla)
affair, one guy with a videotape fetish. The characters act pretty much
the way anyone would expect them to act, given their personalities and
backgrounds. What happens at the end? The marriage (apparently) breaks up,
the guy with the fetish destroys his camera ("Fetishes are Abnormal, Bad,
Perverted, and Nice People don't have Fetishes")--presumably the "affair"
continues, only now it's "ok" (because they guy is separated or divorced
or whatever.) Cheated-upon wife did some cheating of her own, nice 
poetic justice there. And on and on.

Yawn.

Never rose above being mediocre.

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD
...none of the above bodies, hold, or agree with the views stated above.

"...she was no longer frenziedly drinking; now she was lazily, contentedly
licking, gently nibbling, caressing with her lips; I could feel her tongue
now tracing small circles around each still-bleeding--(ah, sweet flowing
life-gift of mine)--puncture, now flicking over and lapping up, now 
tickling in a line back and forth back and forth between the two wounds...."
From: jackson@athena.mit.edu (William T Jackson)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner...Director's cut
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:24:45 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <svedberg.716235504@msi.umn.edu> svedberg@s20.msi.umn.edu (Eric J. Svedberg) writes:
>flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
>
>>Hellow,
>
>>I was in the local vid store, picking up "my girl" (wow, great flick)
>>when I saw "Blade Runner.....Tenth Aniversary Release" and said, wow,
>>get both of the flicks.......I did, I thougth the Tenth Aniversary vid
>>would be the famed "Director's Cut"  or whatever you all have been
>>calling it......to my dismay, I found nothing real new......I was
>>looking for new and I think I found a few scenes that were different for
>>the original copy that I have..........
>
>   If you look at the running times of each (original and Tenth aniversary)
>the tenth aniversary is 2 minutes shorter.  Haven't viewed it though, so
>can't help you on the differences.>
>eric

I saw the "Director's Cut" at an advance screening last week: It's being re-
released nationally and it's going to play at the Boston Film Festival sometime
very soon. There are really only two changes: the narration is gone (the
detective-movie voice over stuff) and the very last shot of the film is gone
(the one where Harrison Ford and Sean Young drive off through the country
together.) If there are other changes, they were too small for me to catch.
Worth seeing, though. The lack of narration makes it like a Kubrick film in
some ways, and cuttng off the story when Ford and Young get in the elevator
leaves you feeling a little more uneasy than the other ending.
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner (OPENS TODAY!) The last word.
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:54:46 GMT

In article <jjonsson.150@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>In article <flar.716183990@vincent2.iastate.edu> flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I was in the local vid store, picking up "my girl" (wow, great flick)
>>when I saw "Blade Runner.....Tenth Aniversary Release" and said, wow,
>>get both of the flicks.......I did, I thougth the Tenth Aniversary vid
>>would be the famed "Director's Cut"  or whatever you all have been
>>calling it......to my dismay, I found nothing real new......I was
>>looking for new and I think I found a few scenes that were different for
>>the original copy that I have..........
>
>>My question, what did I just watch????was that the famed "Director's
>>Cut" or was this a "rerelease" of the original.......You would think I
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Here's the last word on Blade Runner. . .
>
>	The version you bought is the original 1982 release, with the 
>possible exception of a few seconds of the scene in which Batty crushes 
>Tyrell's skull.
>	Warner Bros. and Nelson Entertainment re-released the video in a 
>tenth anniversary box, and told everyone that it was "re-mastered" which 
>usually means they struck a new print of the film and re-transferred it to 
>video. I have not been able to find a copy of the 10th anniversary tape, 
>because all of my local stores still have plenty of copies of the old tape. 
>I could not tell you if it has actually been re-mastered.
>	They are not printing new copies of the old version of Blade Runner 
>after this 10th anniversary run is gone. Presumably the directors cut 
>will be available on video in the future.
>
>	Blade Runner the directors cut opens nationwide TODAY Sept 11th. 
>
>****IF IT IS NOT AT A THEATER NEAR YOU, THEN YOU DON'T LIVE IN A BIG ENOUGH 
>CITY. IT IS BEGINNING A RUN OF EXCLUSIVE ENGAGEMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. IT 
>WILL ONLY BE SHOWING AT ONE THEATER IN YOUR AREA. CHECK YOUR LOCAL 
>LISTINGS.****
>Jeff Jonsson
>Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
>==============================================================================
>--"It's the sound of the secret--  jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
>-- machinery at the center of  --  jjonsson@utahlib.bitnet
>-- the world." -Cliff Steele   --  "You talkin' to me?"


<Some stuff cut>

Remember that the exclusive showing rule applies only per town. Here, in
New Brighton, Mn. I have 2 theatres I can go to showing it, within 9 miles
of my house. Why? Suburbs aren't considered part of the town they are a 
suburb of. 
so you may get a choice if you don't mind a little bit of driving.
<the theatres around here are The Uptown In Mpls., and Pavilion Place
in Roseville.>

					--Judex--

Xref: sparky alt.cult-movies:7866 alt.cyberpunk:4245 rec.arts.sf.movies:7035
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: WIll SOMEONE PLEASE POST THE FAQ
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:47:43 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 7276@news.iastate.edu, tzau4@isuvax.iastate.edu () writes:
=Can anyone/Will anyone post the FAQ?
=
=thank you

There aint one.  Tho if there were, (a subtle hint) here are a few of
the questions that would be on it....


1. What book was Bladerunner based on.

2. What is the exact quote from Bladerunner that mentions the 
    Tannhauser Gate.

3. What is The Tannhauser Gate.

4. Was Deckard a replicant.

5. I heard there were 2 versions of Brazil.

6. Is there going to be a new star wars film or what.

7. What other films has Tim Curry been in.

8. Where can I get the Rocky script.

9. Where can I get poster/script of film xxx.


In fact if someone can send me definitive answers to the above, Ill
start a FAQ if no one else wants to, tho I dont think I'm as qualified
as some others who post to this group.

Cheers,
C

carlj@cyclone.bt.co.uk -- preferred
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies
From: donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: George A Romero's Zombie films
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:18:03 GMT

In article <92252.113743TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I thought Martin sucked. It was boring and drab. I would rather see the fourth
>Dead installment(which WAS supposed to be made a few years ago and not the
>Night update).

To each their own. Where did you hear about a 4th Dead film? Romero has 
said repeatedly that he has done the films on that subject that he is going
to do. He never talked about more than a trilogy and has said that Day is
the last installment.

As for Martin, to each their own. Try "The Crazies" sometime. Much closer to
the NotLD feel.

					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (I AM NOT ON DRUGS. HONEST. I WAS BORN THIS WAY.)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:44:21 GMT

In article <55250002@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, evan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Evan Whitney) writes:
>>In alt.cult-movies, Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
> 
>> I felt something like this when I left the West L.A. art house theatre
>> after having snoozed thru a Soviet semi-2001-ripoff called "Solaris"
>> back in my college daze.  I can't remember ever having fallen asleep
>> more times in a theatre than during the screening of this monstrosity.
>> I guess I just wasn't "hip" enough to "get it" but to this day I think
>> it was a monumental waste of my time and whatever I paid to see it.
> 
>> Harv
> 
> 
> I just saw "Solaris" on PBS a couple months ago, and I thought it was
> WONDERFUL! Yes, it is a long movie, and yes, it is slowly paced. But
> the pacing is very methodical and the script is intelligent. This requires
> the viewer to pay attention during the entire 3 hours and 40 minutes. 
> Those who successfully accomplish this feat will come away with a very
> warm satisfied feeling that one gets after finishing a good sci-fi novel.
> Those that fall asleep will wake up with a hangover.
> 
> "Solaris" is a terrific piece of filmmaking. It relies on good storytelling
> rather than action and special effects. This is probably why this movie
> could never be made in Hollywood. The only thing it has in common with
> 2001 is that they were filmed in the same decade.
> 
> Evan


I read somewhere a reviewer saying that it's the sort of movie people who
didn't like it would like better the second time around. The only problem is
getting those people to watch it that second time.

Edward D