HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer)
Subject: Re: Something NEW, ferGawdzake!
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:32:04 GMT

In article <92356.140149HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> <HERSCH@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>There are still typesetters?

Sure they operate phototypesetters.  You can also call them compositors.

-- 
Charles Geyer
School of Statistics
University of Minnesota
charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist hypocrites
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:02:11 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <BzqupJ.LE8@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>["wifman"] DID evolve from man. "Man" was gender neutral previously. "wif"
>was used as a suffix to denote gender.

'Tis an extraordinary suffix that goes before the root.  :-)

Disclaimer: I use "suffix" as linguists do.  The common
Englishman's mileage may vary.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:50:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <8040@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> briand@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM writes:
>
>Most of us on the net are humble enough to recognize that there *is* no
>standard English, just local standards. 

Yes, there are local standards. But which standard should be used when
resolving an inter-standard conflict? Obviously, it is the English 
English standard.

>Anything else is to claim that, say,
>a Canadian English dictionary is better or worse than, say, an Australian
>English dictionary. Shall we rank all the variants? To whose standards?
>
English English.

>The quest for linguistic purity is just as meaningful as the search for
>racial purity. The historically recent claimants to the Aryan bloodstock
>found that that leads to all sorts of God-awful excesses. Presuming from
>your name that you are much closer to Aryan descendency than any German,
>you might be able to relate to this racial example of what you are trying
>to do linguistically.
>
I am sorry that I can't relate to this example. I am not even sure what
race I belong to. In fact, it would be better if there were no races at
all.  But if you are trying to draw an analogy between "which race is
superior" and "which standard is superior", you fail. This is because
while different races were born at the same time in different places, 
English was born in England.

>Mandar, your .signature is a quote from John Lennon. Remember how some other
>parts of the same quote go: "nothing to kill or die for." Try to get with the
>spirit of it. I suspect Mr. Lennon included "linguistic purity" in his list.
>
>-Brian

Hey! I wouldn't *kill* or *die* for linguistic purity. I hold no grudge
against someone else if he uses a different standard. But it irritates me
when he refuses to acknowledge the existence of a supreme standard.


                                                             Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
From: briand@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brian D Diehm)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Excrement in the English Language
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:37:08 GMT
Reply-To: briand@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Have we yet mentioned "shit hits the fan"? Which means that all hell will
break loose?

"So he told Melinda Sue that he had this leeeeetle infection, and that now she
might have it too, and then shit hit the fan!"

-Brian
--
Brian Diehm
Tektronix, Inc.                (503) 627-3437         briand@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM
P.O. Box 500, M/S 19-286
Beaverton, OR   97077
Xref: sparky alt.usage.english:10225 rec.arts.books:23743 talk.philosophy.misc:3135
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,rec.arts.books,talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Epiphany, Reincarnation
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:00:13 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <93003.164356HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
HERSCH@auvm.american.edu writes (Herschel Browne):

>Epiphany (Three Kings) is just three days away, but I've already had
>my epiphany for 1993. I've never believed in reincarnation, but....Over
>the course of the last two years, reading articles posted by someone
>calling himself either Mikhail or Michael Zeleny, I've had this nagging
>feeling that I had *heard this voice before*. There was this familiarity
>that I couldn't quite place. Last night it came to me. It's Thomas
>Carlyle! His style has been vulgarized even further since the reincarnation,
>but Carlyle he very clearly is. I'm glad I'm finally able to clear this up.

Strangely enough, your epiphany appears to be common among your cock
and bum brethren.  Mr H, shake hands, and whatever else you might
want, with Doug Ierardi.

>H.
>
>Herschel Browne
>"The" American University, use-ta

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: American English
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:36:23 GMT

In article <1htsi8INNe5a@uwm.edu> jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>From article <1992Dec22.235749.14921@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, by nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau):
>> 
>> But will you violently object if some people prefer to use a less
>> ambiguous word, like "person"?
>
>Riddle me this:  The word "person" contains the word "son". 

So does sonic, sonata, sonnet, songhai, stonemasonry, seasonal, and songbook.

The word "person" comes from the Latin words "per" (though) and "sonare" 
(to sound), meaning "to sound through," referring to the persona that an
actor would sound through his mask.

>"Son" is a _male_ offspring.  SEXIST, no?

No.

And yes, I realize the original poster was joking, but it seems that every
month or two we get some idiot who _actually thinks_ that "person" is a 
sexist term.  Of course, there are those of us who feel that "mankind" and
whatnot are not sexist terms, but that's a different argument.


--
Gabe Wiener - Columbia Univ.     "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings 
gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu       to be seriously considered as a means of 
N2GPZ in ham radio circles        communication. The device is inherently of
72355,1226 on CI$                 no value to us." -Western Union memo, 1877
From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Capital "I"
Date: 31 Dec 1992 05:22:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Report from Milwaukee.  I have _never_ seen a dotted capital "I".  _Ever_!

Sheesh... what an abomination.

-- 
John G Dobnick                          ATTnet: (414) 229-5727
Computing Services Division             INTERNET: jgd@uwm.edu
University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee     UUCP: uunet!uwm!jgd

"Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation,
and is thus a source of civilized delight."  -- William Safire
From: news@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: Welcome to alt.text.dwb
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:03:00 GMT


                      Documenter's Workbench Group


  This group is for discussion of all of the parts of DWB, including
the {n,t}roff processors, macros, post processors, utilities like tbl
and eqn, etc.
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot,sci.med.nutrition
From: sdo@lossage (Sean D. O'Neil)
Subject: Re: Any feedback on use of polysorbate 80?
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:22:12 GMT

In article <1h8vv9INNdq5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bl275@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Diaz) writes:
>
>As a new reader of this group, I wonder if someone can direct me to a FAQ
>or other information on whether polysorbate 80 has any beneficial effect on
>retaining hair.  Danke


Can't help you about a FAQ, but I can pass on my own anecdotal information
on polysorbate 80, which I've been using for about 5 1/2 months now.

I suffer from an average case of male pattern baldness, meaning that
my hair has fallen out at the two front "corners" and the remaining
front area is thinning, as is the hair on top of my head in general
(though the front is the most affected so far).  The polysorbate 80
seems to have worked best on the areas where the hair was thin but
still present--those areas seem to have stopped thinning and in fact
are filling out again.  As far as the areas at the corners that were
completely bald, new hairs have grown in at the edges and much of
the rest of the area is now covered with what I would call "peach fuzz"
that can be seen under a strong light.  Whether this will turn into
honest-to-goodness hair is still up in the air.  I should mention that
I couldn't detect any difference until about 2 months ago.

Your mileage may vary, of course.  I seem to recall reading that
polysorbate 80 works on about 50-70% of the adult male population,
which is about the same success rate as minoxidil.  Of course,
unlike minoxidil, polysorbate 80 doesn't require a prescription
and is very cheap (it costs me $6.50 for an 8-ounce bottle, and
I've used approximately 1 3/4 bottles so far--add in $0.50 for an
eyedropper, and we're talking a yearly expense of around $25.
I'm guessing that minoxidil runs about $800/yr, but I could be
off by a factor of two either way here).  And in case you were
wondering, polysorbate 80 is GRAS (you can find it added to lots
of foods and cosmetic products to keep the ingredients from
separating).  I should add that I take a strong multivitamin
supplement containing 150mg of B-6, the idea here being that it
is required for your body to create histamine.  Histamine release
is supposed to be one of the mechanisms through which polysorbate
80 induces hair regrowth.  Again, your mileage may vary.

Sean
Xref: sparky alt.net.personalities:141 alt.religion.kibology:5508
From: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Newsgroups: alt.net.personalities,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Net.celebrities for ftp IN BED
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: jessop@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Class Dinosauria)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>>Maybe you should stop to think about the heap you use.  Maybe PSU is so bad
>>since they are stuct with a VAX.


Hey now!  Cut that out!  I'm p*st&%g fr(m a V$X an^ its an @wes0me mach*i_e!!!

Mike
Xref: sparky alt.net.personalities:140 alt.religion.kibology:5503
From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.net.personalities,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Net.celebrities for ftp IN BED
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:13:45 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

In article <1grgjmINNfhu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> aryeh@cash.ucsc.edu (Aryeh Friedman) writes:
>Does it really matter what reg exps I use.  Btw do use the ones provided by
>BSD 4.3 (which are as real as you can get).

You're confused.  You're using shell globbing characters, which aren't the
same thing as regexps.

>One simple comment go to hell.

And people say _we're_ illiterate?  Sheesh!

>>However, it does not appear that you are using your brother's Commodore 64
>>to post news at this time, though. Feel happy.
>
>Maybe you should stop to think about the heap you use.  Maybe PSU is so bad
>since they are stuct with a VAX.

Says who?  (clue: "psuvax1" ain't a VAX)

--Ken
From: mani@raunvis.hi.is (M'ani Thorsteinsson)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: `69 V-6 Buick odd-fire
Date: 26 Dec 92 05:06:38 GMT
Distribution: alt


       Hi everyone, and Merry Christmas!
      
 I have a problem. I live in Iceland and I4m rebuilding my V-6 Buick 225
Odd-Fire. I got it dissasembled so I have no blueprint or guide. Has
anyone out there seen or heard of a `How to rebuild4 or `How to hot-rod4
book on this engine. I know of similar books on the 255 Even-Fire Buick,
but it isn4t quite the same in piston, crank and camshaft markings.
 Hope somebody can help me. 
                                "Back Then" is when aerodynamics was an
                                 adventure in chrome and wings and HP was
                                 cubic inches.    
                            
                                      Many thanks, Hakon H.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:37:30 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Henri R Helanto (hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:
: In <10631@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >because anything smaller looked like a model on film.  That scale model 
: >train was specially built for the movie and I suspect cost a good deal more
: >than some of the cars this group talks about.
: 
: 	I think the point of all isn't how much $$$ do the cars cost
: 	but how many unique, rare and non-expendable cars are or have
: 	been wrecked in making of movies. (I think many subscribers 
: 	of this newsgroup agree with that...)

Like a functional 1/4 scale train model isn't unique and rare?  I'm not in
favor of movie crews wrecking collectible cars, just pointing out that they
*do* wreck rare and expensive stuff.  Unfortunately, they have enough money
to buy collectibles and then trash them.  Sigh.
--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* Computing Center at Virginia Tech, not Vermont ----------------------^^     *
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: soderburg@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: STILL LOOKING FOR 1952 FORD INFO
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:34:34 GMT

I'M STILL LOOKING FOR PARTS FOR A 1952 FORD.  SOMEHOW MY REQUEST WAS TAKEN
OFF OF THE LIST.  I WOULD LIKE TO CONVERSE WITH SOMEONE WHO OWNS ONE ABOUT
PARTS THAT GO INTO THE CAR.  I'M STILL LOOKING FOR PARKING LIGHT HOUSINGS
AND DOOR TRIM MOLDING.  NEED A LIST OF JUNK YARDS TO WRITE TO.  CAN BUY LOCAL
BUT THEY WANT A ARM, LEG AND KIDNEY.  ADVISE IF YOU CAN HELP.
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: dedgar@mta.ca
Subject: trojans in usa?
Reply-To: dedgar@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:32:36 GMT

hello net. 

as secretary of the Trojan Owners' Club, I would be pleased to make contact
with any other owner in n.america. The Trojan was made in Croydon in the UK
between 1920's and the late thirty's. Thereafter proprietary engines were
supplied by other manufacturers. The original designer was a Leslie Hounsfield,
a brilliant but eccentric engineer who thought that two-stroke, chain driven
motor cars would never be surpased.

Maurice Luscott-Evans, Kidderminster, England
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:51:51 GMT
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC

In article <10640@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Henri R Helanto (hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:
>: In <10631@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>: >because anything smaller looked like a model on film.  That scale model 
>: >train was specially built for the movie and I suspect cost a good deal more
>: >than some of the cars this group talks about.
>: 
>: 	I think the point of all isn't how much $$$ do the cars cost
>: 	but how many unique, rare and non-expendable cars are or have
>: 	been wrecked in making of movies. (I think many subscribers 
>: 	of this newsgroup agree with that...)
>
>Like a functional 1/4 scale train model isn't unique and rare?  I'm not in
>favor of movie crews wrecking collectible cars, just pointing out that they
True. There's undoubtedly just another line item in their budget for 
purchase of vehicles to be destroyed. Just another nonrecoverable expense,
just like motel and food bills.

I remember watching a trashy movie called "Big Bad Mama" with Angie Dickinson
and William Shatner. Gangsters in the '30s stuff. Anyway, they rolled a
couple cars in one scene, including putting a Ford Model A on its side. I
know it was a real "A" because you could see the traverse suspension rear
axle that is unique to early Fords. Really pissed me off to see a nice 
antique trashed for the likes of that movie. But hey, they didn't ask my
opinion.
 
Ted Brooks
 ______________________________________________________________________
| Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect    |
| those of my employer. Advice is free, but you get what you pay for.  |
|                               ________                               |
|                         _____|  1955  |_______                       |
|                        /      Chevrolet      /                       |
|                       /______  BelAir  _____/                        |
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Xref: sparky alt.autos.antique:2465 rec.autos.antique:404 rec.photo:22864
From: rrw@.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique,rec.autos.antique,rec.photo
Subject: Revised Mystery Picture
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:39:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.autos.antique
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

Many thanks to all those who have responded to my initial
query about the mystery photo. To recap:

I bought a photo in an antique shop this summer which had
been printed on a postcard back - it was never mailed so
it has no message or postmark.  It's an interesting picture,
showing an antique car and a couple of men, one of who MAY
be handcuffed.  I'd estimate this photo was taken perhaps
1910 - 1925.  

If you can identify the car, license plate, or tell whether
the man is really handcuffed, please drop me a line with your
opinion.  

You can find it via anonymous ftp on ftp.cse.nau.edu in the directory
"Pub/Geo" as "carr2.gif".  This machine is also known as sunset.cse.nau.edu
(134.114.64.70).  

In response to suggestions from those looking at the first
version, I've HEAVILY enhanced certain critical portions of
this version - much more so than would normally be done - both
with contrast and sharpness (to the point of introducing noise).

Due to the added detail - it's big - about 675K in 256 gray scale
gif format.

THANKS!


- Bob Wier

  ---------- insert favorite standard disclaimers here ----------
    Director, the Historic Image Processing Project (HIPP)
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: rocko@ireland.Berkeley.EDU (Rick O'leary)
Subject: Re: Old Car in Movie?
Reply-To: rocko@ireland.Berkeley.EDU (Rick O'leary)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:38:27 GMT

In article <Dec.20.12.10.03.1992.6604@oliver.rutgers.edu>, livneh@oliver.rutgers.edu (Shai Livneh) writes:
|> This may be a supid question but I was wondering what car Bruce Willis was
|> driving in the movie "The Last Boy Scout" in the beginning.  It was a big
|> old American boat (red) and looked like a Buick Riviera but I wasn't sure.
|> It had the weird rear sloping window (sort of like an old stingray corvette)
|> Thanks in advance for any help.
|> 							Shai


Your description sounds much like the Buick Riviera. Very much like the Riviera.

I didn't see the movie but if it's got an old Buick in it I might rent it.

Rocko
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: One more faked car wreck in movies
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:55:52 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Corbet E. Wilcox (corbetew@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
: 
: Having recently seen _Back to the Future_ once again, I'm still amazed by the
: Steam Train going into "Eastwood" ravine.  THe crash looks real but the 

I saw that movie in a theatre and I remember thinking at the time, "My god,
they did that train wreck full-scale!"  I later saw a "Making of..." 
documentary and learned that they had actually built a 1/4 scale model train
because anything smaller looked like a model on film.  That scale model 
train was specially built for the movie and I suspect cost a good deal more
than some of the cars this group talks about.
   Oh, by the way, has it occured to anyone else that the car at the end
of "Thelma & Louise" probably wasn't wrecked?  I mean we didn't see it land...
--

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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* Computing Center at Virginia Tech, not Vermont ----------------------^^     *
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From: cj137@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack Jeffries)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: =======>>> SHELBY !!!!! <<<=========
Date: 22 Dec 1992 04:47:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu




For sale:

1964 Shelby Cobra Daytona Poster (ORIGINAL) MINT
     printed by Shelby American Inc.
     SUPER RARE! Museum Quality for Only $1000

1963 Shelby Cobra Advertising - Framed.
     Beuatiful! Only $45.

1968 Shelby GT500 Convertible postcard.
     Mint in special holder. A super deal at only $10

CLEARANCE --> 3 Misc pieces of Shelby Americana advertising
              (my choice) for only $15. (You can't loose!)

ALL ITEMS ARE POST PAID.
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: jemery@crash.cts.com (John Emery)
Subject: Re: `69 V-6 Buick odd-fire
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Distribution: alt
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:24:25 PST

I have a jeep version of the 225 'Buick' V-6 from 1967.  The 'Jeep
Universal Series' Service Manual is rather good as service manuals
go these days.  It is copyrighted 1977 by AMC Jeep Corp, document
number appears to be SM-1046.  Hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.


Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: trojans in usa?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.003236.23938@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> dedgar@mta.ca writes:
"hello net. 
"
"as secretary of the Trojan Owners' Club, I would be pleased to make contact
"with any other owner in n.america.

i guess i qualify -- when i was a kid, i got trojans from a vending
machine in the men's room at the saturday-night drive-in...	;^> ;^>

-- 
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a_d_hay@att.com	|	zone in the darkened room at the night gallery	       |
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