From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Summary: Is abortion strictly a religious issue?
Keywords: abortion, religion
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:43:55 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA

In article <1993Jan16.003333.25197@advtech.uswest.com>
steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) writes:
|> = (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
|>> = Steve Novak writes:
|SN>Then we agree to disagree.
|
|SF>It takes two to agree.  I do not.
|
|(Huh?)  Then we don't agree to disagree, yet we are disagreeing.  Whatever.
|
|(Geez, 'lax up.  Are you gonna FORCE me to agree with you?)

I am relaxed.  I'm not going to force you to do anything (I couldn't if I
wanted to).  Usually when two people agree to disagree, they both agree
to stop the argument because either they are tired of arguing or because
although neither has changed his mind, each has exhausted his argument,
i.e. each has said all he has to say, and they are only going over and
over the same things, just as before.  I am neither tired, nor have I
exhausted my argument.  That's all I meant.

|SF>There is nothing emotional or dishonest about *my* position.  I think
|SF>you should worry more about your's.
|
|Hey Fordyce!  Bad news!  I'm perfectly comfortable with my position and
|honesty.  You need a valium.  And maybe look again at your callousness
|toward the woman involved.

I don't need a valium, nor am I callous to women.  I meant that I will
worry about the honesty and emotional content of my argument.  You worry
about yours.

|You see, unlike you, I don't kneel facing the Vatican in the morning and
|pray for every single goddamned fetus in the world to live.  

Catholics don't kneel to the Vatican, and I'm not a Catholic, or even a
Christian.  I don't pray at all.  Speaking of honesty, how many times
do I have to say that?  Don't you believe me?  What do you want, a
signed affidavit?

|SN>Fine.  Interpret it however you please.  I know my stance to be, no forced
|SN>birth.  No slavery of women.  No mostly religious viewpoint made into U.S.
|SN>law.
|
|SF>You keep bring up religion.  It is irrelevant.
|
|Oh, grow up.  If anti-abortionism is based on religious beliefs,
|then it is indeed relevant.                           

For at least the third time, my position isn't based on religion.  I
don't have a religion.  Abortion involves issues that have nothing to do
with any particular religious beliefs, as I make clear in other postings.

|SN>and it's as scientifically sound as your counter opinion.
|
|SF>Science doesn't enter into this at all, because personhood is not
|SF>something that has independent scientific meaning.
|
|No shit, Sherlock.  My point exactly.  You've had over a month to answer
|this, and you can do no better??

I think I'm doing fine.  Can you stick to the subject, or are you only
going to attack me?  There was nothing in my previous posting that justify
your insults.

You seem to insist on bringing Christianity into this no matter what I
say.  You seem consumed with the matter.  Do you hate Christians Mr
Novak?  It sure reads that way.
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orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
uunet!sequent!ether!stevef         . . .  	        Deer are for Dinner
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