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From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ToolManager and WB3.0
Date: 22 Nov 1992 14:22:42 GMT
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tanne.uni-paderborn.de

|> >Hmmmmmm, sounds like a missing WBStart-handler to me. Have a look in your l:
|> >directory.
|> 
|> Hmmmmmm, I found I had to explicitly set the Public Screen field of
|> both WB and CLI programs to get any windows (i.e. set it to
|> `Workbench'). I didn't have ToolManager beforehand so I don't know if
|> this is different behaviour under 3.0 than under 2.04 ...

Hmmm, there's possibly something wrong with your installation as I didn't
have to this when I changed from 2.04 to 3.0.
 
-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: drchip@cup.portal.com (MYRON A LIEBERMAN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ProDraw + A4000 = :-(
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 11:04:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

One reason for the apparent neglect of its Amiga products by Gold Disk was
made very apparent at Comdex. Gold Disk was offering Video Diector, Pro-Draw,
and other packages as well - for the PC/Windows environment. There was no
indication of - or literature - that referred in any way to Gold Disk producing
anything for the Amiga.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap)
Subject: Re: FinalCopyII opinions ?
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:18:46 GMT

In article <jim.722172270@marsh> jim@cs.curtin.edu.au (Jim McGrady) writes:
>Hi all
>
>Several posters are now using FCII. I'd like to know how it compares
>with FCI in terms of
>
>- graphics print speed and quality

Faster printing.  The best quality I've ever seen from an amiga WP.  (I
have both FCI and FCII)

>- font rendering quality

Excellent.  The best in the AMIGA community.
>- general feel and speed of operation
The BESTEST!!!!!!
>
>Regards
>
>Jim
>

Edsel Adap
--
"That girl is one of the least benightedly unintelligent organic life
forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid
meeting."
________________________________________________________________________________
|    Behind Every Dark Cloud Is         | Edsel Adap
|       A Silver Lining!                | Computer Science / Mathematics Major
|        (hopefully!!!)                 | Andrews University
|  Now comes the question: Is it still  |
|      possible to get an 'A'?          | adap@cs.andrews.edu
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From: espen@leo.unm.edu (Peter Espen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP28 to HP48S program transfer via IR ??
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.c7nq-4q
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


	Sorry if this is a FAQ...but...

	Can I transfer programs from my hp28 to a friend's HP48S via
the infra-red port??

	Thanks!

	Peter Espen
	espen@leo.unm.edu
From: detlef@dmhh.hanse.de (Detlef Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Emulating a keypress in sys_RPL???
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:37:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.090229.12183@waikato.ac.nz> fee@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>How do I emulate a key-press in sys_RPL?
>
>That is, if I have a keycode in level 2 and a key plane in level 1,

As BINTs ?!

>giving the location of a key that is always a menu key, how do I
>get the 48 to believe that key has been pressed and evaluate whatever
>function is assigned to the menu key at the time?
>
>What I have tried are the sequences: Key>StdKeyOb DoKeyOb
>			         and: Key>StdKeyOb EVAL
>
>I have had limited success with these. If the menukey has some global
>user variable name, such as that of a directory, a program or a list
>both the above sequences work fine.

This should work in general, but I would suggest to use the former sequence
(let DoKeyOb evaluating a keyob) with PTR 3F9FD instead of Key>StdKeyOb -
PTR 3F9FD checks for special conditions (ParOuterLoop running, USER enabled
etc.).

>However, if the menukey is for some built-in function, like PICT, the 48
>will hang on trying either of the above sequences. Things that make you 
>go mmmmmmhhhh...
> [..]
>Any ideas for how to achieve a reliable key press emulation? Why are
>built-in objects causing trouble?

I didn't have any trouble when running the following program with menu 13.01
being active; pressing the [A] key returns PICT into the stack (I also
checked it with Key>StdKeyOb - same result):


%%HP: T(3);
"::
 CK0NOLASTWD
 BlankDA2
 $ "Perform a keystroce\031"
 DISPROW5
 WaitForKey ( \-> #kc #pl )
 PTR 3F9FD  ( \-> keyOb )
 DoKeyOb
;"

Hope that helps,
	8-Detlef
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
|`What a depressingly stupid machine'|             Detlef Mueller           |
| -- Marvin                          |          detlef@dmhh.hanse.de        |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Subject: Re: Strange Memory Loss
Originator: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:18:01 GMT

In <1elm1lINNs9i@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>I find that MEM does not do carbage collection at all.
>If I do lots of MEMs in succession, on of them gives a suddenly 
>much higher (probably the true) value.

yep, that's gc at work. think about it: if you have LAST STACK, ARG,
and CMD all enabled, they're going to suck up a little bit of memory.
by typing MEM repeatedly, you replace what _used_ to be in those,
and as soon as everything holds MEM (or a result thereof), you 
get a slightly bigger value. [at least, that's the theory *i've* 
always used to explain why that happens]

for example, here's a list of the values i get when i type 
MEM, record it, then DROP the result a few times:

8457.5
8433
8411
8411

you can [probably?] prove that this is the case by turning off
LAST STACK, ARG, and CMD, putting 0 on the stack several times, 
clearing the stack, then typing MEM and DROP a few times: the 
first value you get for MEM is the same as the last value.

furthermore, putting a medium-sized matrix on the stack ( { 12 3 }, 
303 bytes), doing MEM, dropping it, then repeating the first step 
above, gives these values:

8100    (matrix on stack)
8115.5  (clear stack)
8409
8411
8411

at the second number, the matrix is still held in LAST STACK; after
i type MEM, it is replaced with the result for MEM. [if this is all
totally wrong, it's because i've only been up for an hour]

>What is the SYSEVAL to force garbage collection.  If that is tried,
>when the problem occurs we can see if is the cure.  Though I don't
>think the 48 should have refused to perform an operation because of
>low memory without attempting to get it back with garbage collection.

as i understand it, the HP48 *does* do gc; this is the reason for 
occasional pauses in operations. i do know that this is the case
with the 28s.

but back to the original question: _where_ is 11k of my memory going?

-cgw-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: rmarimon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ricardo Jose Marimon)
Subject: Re: Simplex algorithm
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 09:53:11 GMT

I've posted another version of the simplex algorithm which is much faster,
more user friendly, and more transparent to handle two phase simplex
method.  Look at the that message (which I don't remember what number it
was) that was posted about 5 days ago...

Hope it helps...

Ricardo Marimon
rmarimon@leland.stanford.edu
From: akcs.n2kyw@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Ram card problem
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:40:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvbbs.2b07eece.2158.1comp.sys.hp48.1

On the error "Invalid Card Data":
Waqar: Check the battery in the compartment at the top of the card (do
this while it is still in the hp, to preserve any possible data that
might still be in there).  If the battery is low, you might get the error
you talk about.

Just a suggestion..
Paul Smith    smit3223@nova.gmi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)
Subject: Re: Reversing batteries; was (none)
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:33:34 GMT

In article <921121144303.238310ec@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> FELSON_ADJ@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU writes:
>All it takes is a two cent diode to protect against voltage reversal.

Yes, but.  A diode in series would drop the supply voltage by 0.7 volts,
which is equivalent to half a battery.  Given that the HP48 has only three
batteries, this is probably not a good idea.

A reverse-biased diode in parallel might work, but something (e.g., a
resistor) would have to limit the current.
-- 
Bill McFadden    Tektronix, Inc.  P.O. Box 500  MS 58-639  Beaverton, OR  97077
bill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill      Phone: (503) 627-6920
How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: u906271@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Chewing Gunn)
Subject: TRON II+ LIB crashes!
Keywords: TRON II+ 
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:11:59 GMT

I downloaded TRON II+ from hpcvbbs and tried installing it.  I got it
transfered to my HP48sx.  I saved it to my ram card and switched it off.
When I switched it on again (to install the lib), it said 'Invalid Card Data'
and TRON was also missing from my ram card.
To get rid of the 'Invalid Card Data' error, I merged the card then free it
again.
I tried saving TRON to my ram card again but it disappeared again.
This time, I merged the card and saved TRON to port 0.  After switching it on,
it cleared all my port memory and all my Libs.  But on checking free memory, it
said that only 70K was free, meaning that the 40K that was taken my Libs are
still being used.
The only way I found to get my Libs back was to Clear the memory and recover
the memory (ie. ON A F, YES).
Has anyone encounted the same with TRON II?

Thanks
Chris
--
Chris Chew Hong Gunn      |    A Signature?
B.Sc, B.E (Third Year)    |    I'll have to think about it...
University of Tasmania    |    Email:  u906271@postoffice.utas.edu.au
Australia                 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: Simplification of polynomial products
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:48:16 GMT

fseipel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Frank E Seipel) writes:
:  Here is a short program to take an algebraic on Level 1 and simplify
: it completely through successive EXPANDs until the resulting polynomial
: is unchanged.  It then performs a COLCT on the resulting polynomial, e.g.
[stuff deleted]

How is this different in function from EXCO in the manual?

-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: Strange char in display
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:45:39 GMT

In <1992Nov22.215539.5001@smallo.bo.open.de> oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein) writes:

>I have had also strange chars in the top of the display, it seems,
>that they can range from 1 to 5 and can occur simultaneous. 
>They vanished, but I cannot say why they came up and why they gone
>away...

>PS. Any Ideas?

Yes: read the manual.  The first five user flags, when turned on,
cause a number to appear at the top of the screen.  This is normal,
documented, and is a feature.  One of my first RPL programs turned
these numbers on and off in sequence.  Pretty basic stuff.

						.oO Chris Oo.


-- 
                                                           Christopher Lishka
 Never drive a car when you're dead...			   PPE Division, CERN
				-- Tom Waits		  lishka@dxcern.cern.ch
							     vxaluw::lishka
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: (none)
Organization: HoloNet
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:11:34 GMT

fatri@turing.u-strasbg.FR (fatri -- licence info. --) writes:
[stuff deleted]
: I do so since I uses my HP very very often and for long periods and 
: I never had any problem until I put the batteries the wrong way round.
: My calc died. (Bouuhhh !!!)
: (I read this once in a book: if ON-[A]-[C] doesn't work, just put the
: batteries the wrong way round for about half a second, this will make a
: general reset ). I used to use this method because I didn't know about 
: the reset button at that time, and it never happend with ordinary
: batteries.
: 
: So if you use NiCd batteries, make sure you put them the right way on.

Reversing the batteries is a no-no on the 48.  It was relatively safe to
do with the 41 in case of a bad lockup, but virtually every machine since
is not so tolerant.  Use *only* the reset under the rubber foot in the
event of a bad lockup.  You will likely fry some circuitry by reversing
batteries in the 48, at your own peril.

-- Brian Walsh
   brianw@holonet.net
From: phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Strange Memory Loss
Date: 21 Nov 1992 15:53:25 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <cgw.722303141@sol> cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams) writes:
>why doesn't MEM work, then? MEM does garbage collection; is it so bad
>at gc, that it misses sometimes?
>-cgw-

I find that MEM does not do carbage collection at all.
If I do lots of MEMs in succession, on of them gives a suddenly 
much higher (probably the true) value.

What is the SYSEVAL to force garbage collection.  If that is tried,
when the problem occurs we can see if is the cure.  Though I don't
think the 48 should have refused to perform an operation because of
low memory without attempting to get it back with garbage collection.

-- 
*----------*-------------------------------------------------------------*
| Sam   Jam|"Never underestimate the importance of a cheap laugh"-       |
| Liddicott| phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk  | I WAS IN IDAHO | Plucky Duck TTA |
*---------------It's a thing that makes me go hmmm...--------------------*
From: alou@elde1.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: RE: Latest X/Y modem
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:14:20 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

>Could someone tell me if there's a ftp site with the latest version of 
>X/Y modem on it?  I looked on seq, and couldn't find it.  If anyone has it,
>could you please mail it to me?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sean

You can find XYModem v2.2 (the latest) at seq.uncwil.edu :
cd hp48
cd comp.sources.hp48
cd volume07
bin
get xymdm.ma.Z

maurice
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: boynton@fys.ruu.nl (Chris Boynton)
Subject: Top 6 HP48 Programs
Keywords: RF, rm, HSOLVER, Suite 3d, Calculus, LASTX, remote_bg
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:27:48 GMT

Here are the top six most usefull programs for the HP48 as determined by 
you the readers.

In answer to the question
>What programs/utilities do you absolutely have to keep on your machine?

The winner with 2 (count 'em, two) votes
***********************************************************************
2 votes for: RF - The compress program Reduce Fighter.(by Lutz Vieweg)
***********************************************************************

The runners up, with one vote each

HSOLVER - The Multiequations solver (ala Hewlett Packard's EQ lib SOLVER)
 
rm - It works like the UNIX command 'rm -i *', i.e. for all 
     objects in the current directory, it asks if you want 
     to remove it. You answer by hitting '+' to remove the 
     object, any other key to leave it. For all the removed 
     objects, the program puts them on the stack, so you can 
     store it again by just hitting 'sto', possibly by walking 
     somewhere else in the tree; therby using 'rm' as a move 
     command. 

Suite 3d - (available from HP on their Back to School Disks) 

Calculus - (available from HP on their Back to School Disks)
 
LASTX

And there was also 1 (illegal) vote for: 

remote_bg - package by Bj|rn Gahm "is totally awesome."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My thanks to: Per Stromgren, Jakob Hilmer, christopher williams, and
EGANM@SONOMA.EDU. for participating in the vote.

OK, I didn't figure the response would be so underwhelming (only 4 responses
in about 5 days) that I couldn't do reliable statistics. Care to correct/add to 
the sample? Just answer the question:

What programs/utilities do you absolutely have to keep on your machine?

Providing a short description would be a bonus. Games and remote type
programs don't really count...

chris
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Sterrekundig Instituut RU Utrecht            ^Intr   ^Cntry ^City
Postbus 80000                           Fax (011) + (031) + 030-535201
NL - 3508  TA UTRECHT                   email: boynton@fys.ruu.nl
--
PS. Per Stromgren not only provided the nice description of rm but also 
provided the code for it as well. I have not tested it, nor do I know 
anyone else (besides Per) who has, so use it at your own risk.

%%HP: T(3)A(D)F(.);
\<< CLLCD
"'+' to remove, any
other: don't."
1 DISP "?" 5 DISP
VARS \-> V
  \<< 1 V SIZE
    FOR I V I GET
DUP \->STR 4 DISP 0
WAIT IP 95
      IF ==
      THEN 2000 .15
BEEP 1500 .15 BEEP
DUP DUP RCL SWAP
PURGE SWAP
      ELSE 2000 .1
BEEP DROP
      END
    NEXT
  \>> 2 MENU
\>>
From: akcs.wiley@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Abbott)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:40:02 GMT
Subject: Seattle 48S/SX BBS
Message-ID: <2b0d0b77.2228comp.sys.hp48@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Keywords: seattle bbs

There is a new BBS for the 48SX in Seattle--206-881-0395, now open 24
hours/7 days. All files are zipped up with a complete list (over 500) of
files. I also have a list of all known HP BBSes in North America. Running
Wildcat! 3.51.
Any questions? Contact me at rpnbbs@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: chewy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chewy)
Subject: GROB
Organization: Hitlers allies
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:44:16 GMT

I am new to the hp48sx and am wondering how do you
view gorb picts.  I have seen several sources with this
title, but do not know how to view it.  Any replys would
be greatly appreciated.

-Matt                  ...chewy@sage.cc.purdue.edu...
From: p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca (QUINN, PAUL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Educalc
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:40:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Where can I get an educalc catalog?


Paul Quinn
p_quinn@pavo.concordia.ca

From: akcs.alistairl@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Alistair S Lang)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:40:02 GMT
Subject: 48 SYSEVALed Keys
Message-ID: <2b080efe.2130.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

I've just discovered key.sysevals.Z in the hp48/hardware/  directory
of seq.uncwil.edu . I've dragged it from another window to this one
using XWindows:
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Article 1102 of comp.sys.handhelds:
en.ecn.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!heli
os!tamuts!n233dk
From: n233dk@tamuts.tamu.edu (Frederick Grevelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Date: 26 Aug 90 23:47:03 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

Here is a list of SYSEVALs for the 48 which will implement many of 
the
various keystrokes used in programming.  The advantages of using 
these
will probably be minimal, except for perhaps some of the 
nonprogrammable
keys.

Do not try to mix and match these routines with one another in order 
to
achieve a special desired result.  These are RPL routines and not 
prefixed
machine code.  Once I\"ve had the time to further investigate the 
routines
that support these SYSEVALs it may then be possible to achieve such 
custom
results.

This was proof read by me one time only.  Any errors I might later 
discover
will be promptly posted.  The table should be self explanatory, but 
I\"ll
be willing to answer any questions.

Rick Grevelle

  Address                  Equivalent keystroke(s)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-------
   3a69a[\"]_key
   3a6b3[blue_shift]_[X]
   3a6cc[orange_shift]_[/]
   3a6e5[orange_shift]_[PRG]
   3a71c[NXT]
   3a735[orange_shift]_[NXT]
   3a7a3[orange_shift]_[4]
   3a7c6[orange_shift]_[+/-]
   3a7f3[ENTER]
   3a834[cursor_left]
   3a893[orange_shift]
   3a8c5[blue_shift]
   3a8de[cursor_right]
   3a93d[cursor_up]
   3aa0a[alpha]
   3aa37[alpha]_[orange_shift]
   3aa50[alpha]
   3aa69[alpha]_[blue_shift]
   3aa82[+/-]
   3aa9b[+/-]
   3aaeb[blue_shift]_[DEL]
   3ab59[orange_shift]_[9]
   3ab72[CST]
   3ab8b[orange_shift]_[+]
   3aba4[orange_shift]_[x]
   3abbd[alpha]_[orange_shift]2[blue_shift]_[5]
   3af05[orange_shift]_[6]
   3af1e[blue_shift]_[6]
   3af37[VAR]
   3af50[orange_shift]_[ENTER]
   3af69[blue_shift]_[+/-]
   3af73[blue_shift]_[+/-]
   3b036[alpha]_[alpha]
   3b068[blue_shift]_[ENTER]
   3b081[blue_shift]_[alpha]
   3b095[blue_shift]_[alpha]
   3b0db[orange_shift]_[alpha]
   3b1b7[blue_shift]_[1]
   3b1cb[orange_shift]_[1]
   3fd36[alpha]
   3fd63[alpha]_[orange_shift]
   3fd90[alpha]_[blue_shift]
   40d25[alpha]_[alpha]
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
 There should actually be gaps betweeen the hex numbers and the
descriptions but they seem to have dissappeared enroute!

A S Lang

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein)
Subject: Re: Strange char in display
Organization: smallo.bo.open.de Fido-SubNet-Gate : 2:245/5800.12
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:55:39 GMT

In <By3qyD.6Iw@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:

>A few months ago, after I changed the batteries in my HP48SX, I've had
>what looks like a lowercase `l` (ell) in the top (status) line of the
>display. Any ideas?

I have had also strange chars in the top of the display, it seems,
that they can range from 1 to 5 and can occur simultaneous. 
They vanished, but I cannot say why they came up and why they gone
away...

Bye, Olaf

PS. Any Ideas?


-- 
Olaf Klein	smallo.bo.open.de	2:245/5800.12

	"One Token-Ring to rule them all,
	 One Token-Ring to find them!
	 One Token-Ring to take them all,
	 And in the darkness bind them!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: chiner@saturn (Are we having fun yet?)
Subject: Re: TRON, how do you play it?
Reply-To: chiner@nova.gmi.edu
Organization: GMI/EMI CIM Lab
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:55:01 GMT

akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn) writes:
: Regarding TRON, my students insist that you can steer into tiny
: passageways that are very difficult to navigate through, and from there
: go to other playing fields or screens or levels of some such thing. 
: Personally, I've never had the patience to try.  Good luck.
: 
: -jkh-
: 
THIS IS INDEED TRUE!  Theres a passagway in each corner of the field that is
one "ship" thick.  On a slow (low) level, it's do-able.  There's even a 
little message on the top and bottom lines.
--
Mark Wilder   chiner@nova.gmi.edu
Signature file temporarily unavailable
Abort, Retry, Fail?
From: akcs.alistairl@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Alistair S Lang)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:40:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Strange Memory Loss
Message-ID: <2b0ceecc.2224.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Your not the only one. About five months ago the same happened with me
but I "lost" 80k!! (I had a card merged at the time).
With this reduction I was prevented from unmerging the card! So the
problem persisted until I had a memory-out, when it came back to normal.
I had 100k free before and then just 20k during the "event" but I didn't 
    
know any memory scanning tools that might have helped locate the missing
80k.  I have forgotten what I was doing at the time that might have      

caused it.

A S Lang