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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:58:10 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: A <Word> question
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              30 Aug 92 19:25:24 -0500. <9209010156.AA16012@sics.se>

  Doris asks:

 >How is the word "Geat" pronounced? I'm referring to the nationality of
 >good old Beowulf, from southern Sweden. I've seen it written phonetically
 >several ways, and have heard it pronounced several ways.  What do Words-Lers
 >say is the proper pronunciation?

  I didn't know that there was such a word in English, and so turned
to webster:

> webster geat
Geat \'ge^-t, 'ga^--et, 'yaet\ n
[OE Ge^-at]
(bef. 12c)
:a member of a Scandinavian people of southern Sweden subjugated by
     the Swedes in the 6th century
-- Geat-ish \-ish\ adj


> webster beowulf
Be-o-wulf \'ba^--e-,wu.lf\ n
:a legendary Geatish warrior and hero of the Old English poem Beowulf


  In Swedish, the word is Goet, or more properly, using revolting TeX
notation, G\"ot, with a long vowel. "Goetaland" is the name for the
southern part of Sweden. Of the three pronunciations given by webster,
the third version is closest to the Swedish pronunciation. Do you how
to pronounce "Goethe" in German? If so, just change the "g" to a "y"
and leave out the final "e" (i.e. the final spoken "e"). Of course
there is no reason to use the Swedish pronunciation except to give
insecure people the impression that one knows something that they do
not.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:25:09 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: bumper sticker
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> Sorry, doris sis, but you get a D- on this one.  Either study more
> or go sit in the corner.  That one over there.  And wipe that smile
> off your face, please.

Well, I *never*!
May I have a counselor's request form, please?
-your student (who is going to change from this grump's class)
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Where is Ruth Who is She?
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 23:40:54 GMT
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N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) writes:
> I believe very strongly that education should be completely free,
> from kindergarten through at least the 12th grade.  Is this too
> much to ask for?

Yes, as long as teachers demand to be paid.

When Mechanic Sandy doesn't know how to fix cars and Mechanic Chris
does, I take my car with a bad transmission to Chris instead of
trying to teach Sandy.  Since only Chris works on my car I don't pay
Sandy.  Eventually Sandy learns how to fix cars or goes out of business.

Crazy people like myself think this should apply to schools, too.

--karsten

(Sandy and Chris - old friends from my gender-nonspecific MPs)
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:50:00 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clambake Pictures, Sad Story
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              Macmillan" at Sep 3, 92 12:52 pm

>
> Gee, you suppose Rashmi could sue them for the funds necessary to
> stage the next clambake in order to recreate the photos?  Be sure to
> include transportation and per diem for all participants.
>
Great idea, Michael (and Marilyn).  If I get enough money, we can have the
next clambake in Ireland or Sweden.

rashmi
generous with hypothetical money
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:44:07 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ubi Sunt?
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>I'll bet you didn't have two days of inservice, then three days with
>students, then two more days of inservice, one day of which featured a
>speaker hired a year ago who spoke on the topic of "The First Day of School."
>He stressed the point that "you don't get a second chance to make a first
>impression."

Really, doris, you ought to publish a book. I know dozens of women who would
pay to read this stuff. Seriously.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:35:00 EDT
From:         ktw@POLARIS.ATT.COM
Subject:      Whole lotta shakeup goin' on
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I just found out that AT&T, in its infinite wisdom, and with its usual
lack of leadtime, is planning to migrate my "normal" system, hlwpk,
over to another machine on Friday night.  This will involve a physical
move (God help us) and a new system name.  Even though a forwarding
mechanism is _supposed_ to be in place, the system administration at
Short Hills is really quite clueless about things like user needs or
advance warning.  So for the time being I'm going to be on THIS
machine (polaris.att.com), which has no record of me having an account
but lets me work on it anyway.  Once I know what my new "official"
machine will be, I'll resubscribe.

Everyone confused yet?

Ken
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:57:00 CDT
From:         "tk0jut1@mvs.cso.niu.edu jim thomas"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Class means never having to say you're sorry

JMW writes:

    >        Akio, I feel [for some strange reason] compelled to
    >apologize for the graceless and racist off-hand remarks of an
    >unsophisticated newbie.  Please do not think that he in any way
    >represents either wordslers or Americans in general.  Or
    >Hoosiers, for that matter.  I am chagrined to be associated with
    >such.  All I can say, in his defense?, is that he has reviled and
    >insulted the rest of us in your absence.  I pray your indulgence.

Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU> writes:

    >Number nine . . .Number nine . . . Number nine . . .

That's what I like about "Ausbrook". A real class act.
JMW forgets that Ausbrook reserves the right to say what he
"bloody well pleases," and ethnic sensitivities be damned.

I'm kinda curious about where he goes to law school.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:31:22 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration

I said:

>I suppose /l/ and /r/ are not to be considered consonants, just like /m/
>and /n/. Still, what about words like aptly, active, etc? I'd say /pt/ is
>a consonant cluster. Or the word "octonion", for instance, which even has
>a consonant cluster before an Accented vowel.

Just a thought: maybe by "cluster" you mean a cluster contained in a
syllable (not spread over two). In that case, the rule might be simple after
all.

tushar
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:08:27 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Schoolyard taunts (Was Love Potion Number Nine)
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> 	I heard on the news this morning that Blue Bell Ice Cream is
> making their chocolate chip cookie dough flavor one of their regular flavors.
> They had planned for it to be a summer ice cream but because of the demand
> it will be right in your dairy case next to cookies and cream.
> --pat

Yay!!!!!!!  And it's *so* good!  Lots more chunks of cookie dough than Ben
and Jerry's.
ndh (who always makes enough chocolate chip cookie dough for six dozen
cookies so she has some chance of ending up with three dozen)
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers
Date: 1 Sep 1992 22:26:40 GMT
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In a previous article, EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU () says:

>Posted on 1 Sep 1992 at 02:31:52 by karsten
>>(Don't get me started on the elimination of "tracking" in schools.
>
>My school *was* tracked, and I hated it--I cuoldn't take anything pragmatic
>like typing or home ec.  Let alone auto shop, which wasn't open to women
>in those days and no way would I have been first. (I've changed.)
>
Ours wasn't tracked, exactly, but did offer "honors" courses, and once you
started with those, you tended to keep going with them.  I only took two
non-honors courses from 10-12 grade - graphic arts and gym.:-)  The "honors
kids" tended not to mix with the rest, but it wasn't really a case of not
being "allowed" to take something.  We could have, but somehow never did.:-)
I took all honors stuff because the "normal" classes were too boring.:-)

-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:25:51 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: TGTAagnes
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>Well, so, *obviously* no one, absolutely *no* *one* read,
>much less appreciated, my true, unadulterated, alternative

Sorry, giggles, I deleted it unread. Didn't look too interesting.
;-)

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:55:53 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: fire and ice
              27 Aug 1992 13:36:48 +0000 from <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:36:48 +0000 Graham Toal said:
>>Windex.  Spray it on the cloth - not on the screen, so that it
>>gets no chance to run down into the works and corrode things.
>>No it doesn't hurt (it or you) to do it while it's turned on.
>
>hee hee hee.  Well, you *are* in a different country I suppose.  You
>should be safe there from sparks flying when Natalie gets jolted.
>
>Natalie, before putting anything wet on your screen (cloth, or worse -
> spray-on foam) leave your machine switched off for *many* hours.  Best
>do it first thing am in fact before you power up.  Otherwise use
>rubber gloves.

Care to explain the physics behind this little UL, Graham ?   And how
the rubber gloves would help, while you're at it ?

Tony H.
(Who cleaned the screen with Windex between starting and finishing this note)
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Original-From: hlwpk!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:35:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Ill-mannered people
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>>Ken, dismounting high horse
>
>And that double back with a twist was one HELL of a dismount, too.

Yeah, but you oughta see that poor horse....

Ken
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:58:07 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: worse verse
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 Bayla, what *flavor* that has.  Bravo girl!  More!  More!
Doris
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:57:20 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (57
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>Posted on 31 Aug 1992 at 23:42:45 by CROSEN@BGSUOPIE.BITNET
>>I want to go on record in support of Akio's linkage of ABH and Jodie Foster,
>>a linkage I think is singularly apropos.
>
>Why?  I am really puzzled by this.  I like them both but never linked them.
>Mostly because Jodie Foster is my height, and just very small (I used to see
>her around when she was in college), and Anne Harwell is not small in any
>sense.  Am I beng misled by reality?
>Karen
Yes, you are being misled by reality.

Anne's e-persona could definitely be played by Jodie Foster,
and should be. Anne is definitely too tall to play herself.

love, judith
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:58:08 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re:

>If this is not true then maybe you should provide some hints as to who is
>in charge and other mysterious affairs. Replying is so difficult otherwise.
>
>tushar

Tushar, when you're dealing with new-age sensitive folk, you have
to just feeeel what they mean.  They never say the same thing
twice, and yet you have the feeeeling that they repeat themselves
incessantly.  Replying is, in fact, not merely difficult to these
folk-- or should I say Volk?-- but pointless.  They are so
sensitive, you see, that they won't read what you write, but just
feeeeeeeeel what they would like you to mean so they can repeat
themselves.  They are also, in fact, neither new age nor
sensitive, but resemble in significant respects a nasty kind of animal
produced in a Central European country in the fourth decade of
this century.

-Mka
PS--a friend of mine met a woman named Heather who is probably a
fellow sufferer of yours.  Thought she was world class.  Send
details.  Please.
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:32:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z
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> Gilbie, Doris was not a poster during the eighteen months I was (before
> I got bored and decided to take a vacation) therefore she is a newbie
> in my recollection.  Come to think of it, you weren't around much then
> either, perchance as a lurker?
>
> Where's all the familiar faces?  Did everyone else get bored too?

I wasn't around either, because I didn't become a wordsler *star*
until about March of this year.  So *you* are a newbie in my
recollection, and that's why you have the <air> of one, at least
AFAIAC.
--ggs (liking the sound of Gilbie more than a little...)
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From: jthomas@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Thomas)
Subject: Re:      Re: Jewish Murderers have grivenas a new topic......
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:38:55 GMT

In article <9208250236.AA03408@cbis.ECE.Drexel.EDU> Rashmi Murthy <rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU> writes:
>>
>> Like my jewish inlaws always point out when conversation turns to
>> crime, "grivenas killed more jews than hitler."
>>        ~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim (render guns, not lard) Thomas
>
>What's grivenas??
>(Sorry for encroaching on your territory, Akio, but I couldn't wait
>until Monday for Gleanings.)


Inquiring minds write:

>> Like my jewish inlaws always point out when conversation turns to
>> crime, "grivenas killed more jews than hitler."
>>        ~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim (render guns, not lard) Thomas

>What's grivenas??
>(Sorry for encroaching on your territory, Akio, but I couldn't wait
>until Monday for Gleanings.)

Grivenas (yiddish--spoken, not written, so spellings phonetic and
aribtrary): Rendered fat. Used as butter/margerine substitute on bread,
in cooking, as flavor/snack additive. Usually spiced a bit with garlic
or other spice. Sometimes used as meat sub/only primary source of
protein. For those who ate it: heart attacks, digestive problems,
apparent link to cancer (but heart attacks usually got 'em first). For
the beasties providing it, always fatal.

As a courtesy, goats should always be allowed first refusal for invitations
to attend roasts in their name. A  quayle roast seems preferable.
"Dreckvenas?"

Jim (jalapenos, beans, but no tofu, please) Thomas
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:08:37 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Brother Barbara

>dan  (and not REALLY interested in trying to draw the line between quip and
>             insult)

Modern human condition in a line. I didn't think it could be done so
compactly. Bravo.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:11:52 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Brother Barbara
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              3 Sep 1992 14:08:21 EDT from <EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:08:21 EDT <EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU> said:
>Posted on 3 Sep 1992 at 13:02:52 by Dan Lester
>>On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:52:49 EDT Rashmi Murthy said:
>>>What's a professional women's organization?
>>a buncha whores getting together for a coupla beers
>
>Thanks, Dan.  Now we know what you think of women.

Hey, if that's all the better you know me.....

Would it have been more recognizable as a joke if I put a smiley at the end?

dan
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Law of Supply and Demand

*** Resending note of 08/27/92 19:33

>...and then they did?  Or did they keep their prices low and others
>raised theirs?

As far as I know, yes.  There are far more stories of people in the Tampa
Bay helping, than gouging.  Collection points are being set up and people
are donating many desparately required essentials ...water, in great demand,
but some things not so obvious ... *manual* can openers, diapers, baby food,
shaving supplies ... *alot* of people still do not have electricity, and
will not for some time yet.  But, unfortunately, there were stories of
price gouging ....lumber was one of them, greatly raising the price of
hotel/motel rooms was another (guess they had to ship extra rooms in
from out of state).  Sorry, some people are greedy.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:03:50 EDT
From:         Bill Merrill <ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mohawk
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> Tomorrow night I have my first Conversational Mohawk class.

Cool!

>something else. This will be my first experience with a
>non Indo-European language. Does anyone here have experience
>with any of the Iroquoian or Macro-Siouan languages ?
>                                          Br Paul

No. Lots of Pequot place names where I'm from in R.I. Misquamicut,
Weekapaug, Pawcatuck. Quannicantaug. I think -paug means 'pond.'
There's an Usquepaug up near the University. A local joke is that
the place was actually settled by the Irish. I think Pequot
(and Mohecan across the boarder in Connecticut) belong to the
Iroquoisan family.
Please share your experiences and teach us a few words in Mohawk.
Bill
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:20:09 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject: Re: TGTABagnes2

>> Sorry. I read it. My reaction is: What is the "B" in TGTBAgnes for?
>>
>>tushar
>
>Ah, <ts>, you are really a living doll!  You actually *read* it?
>And you don't respond by giving me lessons on how to write so
>everyone will find it <fascinating>???  I *love* you suddenly,
>and I certainly never thought I would say such a thing, gootchie
>gootchie....

I take it all back.

I have puked too many times now. Time, perhaps to start a kill file.

tushar
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:16:19 -0500
From:         "Pat Gathright" <patg@TENET.EDU>
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	Recently someone posted a reference to plagiarism and a reference
to a Jeffrey Archer short story. I have a friend who is planning to use
short stories from "A Twist in the Tale" as part of a unit in her freshman
honors English class. I told her I had seen something on this list but
could not remember what it was. Thanks for your help.

--patg
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:42:26 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Ubi Sunt?
              29 Aug 1992 22:53:00 EDT from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

On Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:53:00 EDT Gilbert Smith said:
>>
>> Me, too.  And I'm not so sure that my feelings shouldn't be hurt by this
>> slight. :(
>>
>> Evelyn
>
>Evelyn evelyn evelyn evelyn you are with me always so how could I
>inquire about your presence?  Omnipresence is its own reward.
>--ggs

"Omnipresence"?  Nay, milord.  I am but a humble List Druid.

Evelyn
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From: richh@netcom.com (richh)
Subject: Re: I am not afraid of words-l!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 21:55:07 GMT
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Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG> writes:

>	You are so, rich rhubarb, you yummy stalk, you.

Wheeeee.

Peanut butter?
Cream cheese?
Iodine?

RICHH
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:11:18 PDT
From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Rhubarb Pie

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:33:20 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>	Hey, have you ever found a diabetic cookbook that didn't
>go over the edge and have non-fat, non-cholesteral, non-sugar,
>non-salt, non-TASTE recipes?  I mean, the sugar in the recipe may
>not be good for him, but for goodness sake, I can still cook with
>butter and eggs!
Gentle Rita,
  The only good diabetic cookbook is a *dead* diabetic cookbook.  I
looked at a few after I was diagnosed, but most of the recipes would
make the diets of the people on the GRANOLA list seem exciting.  I
decided to go with adjusting "normal" recipes to my new reality,
mostly by creative substitution.  Fortunately, I was already into
experimenting with herbs and spices.  That has really helped.  There
are over two hundred natural substitutes for salt and sugar in
cooking.  Many of them are palatable.  I try to make eating as
exciting as cooking.  My wife has another word for it.  Enough of this.

Peace,
Elwood P. (there are only two basic food groups, one is "edible") Dowd
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