From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:49:28 GMT

mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:


>	how about an answer for once?

>	this is where we differ. do you not think that if h-d
>	motorcycling is the same as the rest, then discussions relating
>	to it belong to rec.moto? if there is one newsgroup that already
>	serves the purpose why create a new one? the only reason i can
>	see is harley-flaming. i want to know if there are other
>	reasons. does that sound facetious?

It sounds like you feel that we should be forced to wade through the
flames to post about Harleys. That is the situation that we want to
rectify.

>:- IN NO WAY DOES THE CREATION OF NEW GROUP HAVE TO BE JUSTIFIED ON THE BASIS OF
>:- A DIFFERENCE TO ONE OR SEVERAL ALREADY EXISTING GROUPS.

>:- |> 	3. what i do want however is for h-d riders to use rec.moto as a
>:- |> 	   forum for discussion since i feel they are valued by quite a
>:- |> 	   few people who read rec.moto,

Which are greatly outweighed at least in voice by those who would
rather insult Harley riders and their steeds. For those who value the
discussion of the Harley types, a formal invitation to
rec.motorcycles.harley is extended.

>:- The only question remaining is whether you have the right to deprive me [..]
>:- forum where I can express myself in a way I like, with people I like, in a 
>:- setting I like....

>	i, as an individual, have NO MEANS of depriving you of your
>	forum. as the people who deigned usenet maybe thought (as did maybe
>	those that designed the concept of democracy), "the majority is
>	always right" and if this majority (that is assumed to be right)
>	chooss to vote down the group, you may well have yourself to
>	blame for not providing cohesive arguements in favour of
>	the creation of the group. if your case is against the idea that
>	the majority choice must be right, do not blame that on me. if
>	your case is against me being part of the majority that might
>	vote the group down, i have already answered that.

>:- Where we have note that the creation of such a forum would not infringe upon
>:- yoursorothers rights.Since those that have left will not come back to rec.mot

>	that is sufficient reason to not vote no, but hardly enough to
>	vote yes.

Then don't vote no. Your no vote is far more damaging than abstaining
from voting.

>	its a simple question really.

>	do you want to create rec.m.h because:

>	1. flaming of harleys in r.m a year and a half ago.
>	2. flaming of harleys in r.m even now.
>	3. h-dmotorcycling is different from the rest.
>	4. you hate jap bikes.
>	5. some or all of the above. (if some, specify).

>	not included as a choice: 6. because. of course you *do not
>	have* to answer this.

1,2, and to some extent, 3. Not 4, yousee I have and love both.

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