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From: XA.N73@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Machine Translation Demo
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:13:21 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

              Demonstration of Machine Translation

As a service to its membership, the Northern California
Translators Association is sponsoring a series of tutorials on,
and demonstrations of an increasingly important issue for many
language professionals -- machine translation.  The first of this
series will feature a representative of Systran Translation
Systems, Inc., who will run a real-time demonstration of
Systran's natural language translation software and services.
Attendees may bring a brief sample of text (100-200 words) to be
translated at the demonstration.

When:     Saturday, January 30, 1993, 2:00 to 4:00 PM
Where:    UCSF Laurel Heights Conference Center Auditorium
          3333 California Street (at Walnut), First Sublevel
          San Francisco, California
Admission:     $5.00 at the door
               Open to the general public.  Some parking
               available at the Laurel Heights parking lot.  No
               food or beverages allowed in the auditorium.
Information:   Jan Pfefferkorn at 408-923-3610 or
                                   e-mail CIS 70274.1355

Systran has developed 27 language pairs, offers on-line access
and leasing agreements for machine translation, as well as an in-
house department for full translations.
Xref: sparky sci.lang:9020 soc.culture.french:10029 rec.arts.books:26547 sci.math:18827 sci.logic:2652 sci.philosophy.tech:5007 sci.philosophy.meta:3177 misc.wanted:11108 ne.wanted:1732
Newsgroups: sci.lang,soc.culture.french,rec.arts.books,sci.math,sci.logic,sci.philosophy.tech,sci.philosophy.meta,misc.wanted,ne.wanted
Subject: Rare Books Wanted
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:02:41 EST
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

Seeking the following titles:


Logic:

W. Ackermann, _Solvable Cases of the Decision Problem_. 
S. Kleene, R. Vesley, _The Foundations of Intuitionistic Mathematics_. 
D. Gallin, _Intensional and Higher-Order Modal Logic_. 
A. Fraenkel, _Abstract Set Theory_. 
A. Fraenkel and P. Bernays, _Axiomatic Set Theory_. 
K. Devlin, _Constructibility_. 
M. Lerman, _Degrees of Unsolvability_. 
A. Mostowski, _Selected Works_. 
P. Hinman, _Recursion-Theoretic Hierarchies_. 
G. Gentzen, _Collected Papers_. 

Other assorted volumes in _Studies in Logic_ and the \Omega-series. 
A complete set of the JSL and the JPL (if reasonably priced). 


Mathematics:

K. Kunen, _Handbook of Set-Theoretic Topology_. 
P. Johnstone, _Topos Theory_. 
AMS Tarski Symposium and Set Theory Colloquium. 
P. Halmos, _Lectures in Boolean Algebra_. 
A. Tarski, _Collected Papers_, Vols 2-4. 

LNM Nos. 6, 70, 72, 95, 217, 223, 255, 337, 344, 405, 450, 453, 454,
and other such titles. 


Philosophy and Linguistics:

D. Wiggins, _Identity and Spatio-temporal Continuity_. 
G. Evans and J. McDowell, _Truth and Meaning_. 
A. Margalit, _Meaning and Use_. 
D. Dowty, _Word Meaning and Montague Grammar_. 
F. Heny, _Ambiguities in Intensional Contexts_. 
V. Raskin, _Semantic Mechanisms of Humor_. 
P. G\"ardenfors, _Generalized Quantifiers_.
D. Gabbay, _Handbook of Philosophical Logic_. 
B. Mates, _Stoic Logic_. 
N. Ruwet, _Grammaire des insultes_. 

Other obscure titles on philosophical logic and formal semantics. 
Paper collections by J. R. Firth. 


Literature:

H. Peyre, _Sincerity in Literature_. 
D. Muecke, _The Compass of Irony_. 
J. de Maistre, _Les Soir\'ees de Sankt-Petersburg_. 
M. A. Screech, _Rabelais_. 
J.-J. Pauvert, _Sade vivant_. 

The Pl\'eiade editions of Balzac, Saint-Simon, Moli\`ere, Racine,
Corneille, C\'eline, Boileau, Alain, and Zola (if reasonably priced). 
Rare editions of (and books about) Baudelaire. 
Complete works of Jean Paulhan. 
Complete works of Tristan Tzara. 
G. Bataille, Vols 2, 4--12. 



Many thanks to Steve Apter. 

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc. harvard. edu
"Les beaulx bastisseurs nouveaulx de pierres mortes ne sont escriptz
en mon livre de vie. Je ne bastis que pierres vives: ce sont hommes."
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: Bah! to bhaashaa
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:37:13 GMT
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia

petex@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Christian) writes: (about Chinese)


>I don't think fluency is the issue, it's having learnt to recognize and
>reproduce 4000+ different characters. The task of learning to write
>correctly (i.e. to form the letters correctly) is fairly soon
>accomplished in an alphabetic script, and it's the relation of sound
>to spelling that's the problem. In Chinese, learning the inventory of
>signs is the whole task essentially. The enormous numbers of
>homophones must make it difficult too.

No, you do not have to learn to recognize and reproduce 4000 characters.
You have to learn basic components, a few hundred only. Themselves
are composed of a very few different types of brush strokes, and 
easy to reproduce, when you have been taught properly. The whole
calligraphic system is very regular and modular. 

For instance, you do not have to learn to recognize and reproduce
the character for "copper", only to learn and recognize its
two components, the character for "metal" and the one for "together",
which gives away the pronunciation. To use the same example, 
in English, you do not have to recognize and reproduce the word
"copper", only its five components, which give away the pronunciation,
but nothing about its meaning.

So, I rate the Chinese writing system above the English... and the
Welsh above both.
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Tones in PIE?
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:42:25 GMT

Rich Alderson (alderson@cisco.com) writes:
>First, lets make our terminology more precise:  Lithuanian, Latvian, certain
>Slavic languages, ancient Greek, and Vedic Sanskrit are supposed to have (or
>have had) *pitch contours*, rather than *tones* as that term is usually used.

So let me ignorant layman ask: how would you describe the two
different accents in Swedish, are they tones or pitch contours?
Not that I'm questioning anything, I just want to be able to relate
to something I know. From where you wrote elsewhere, I would guess
the answer in the latter.

>The final upshot of all this is that we usually reconstruct the PIE accent
>as a pitch rise based on the Greek and Sanskrit evidence for its pitch nature.
>In addition, the oldest Indo-European languages do not show the kinds of vowel
>reductions we expect from a stress accent, as in the history of Germanic or
>Latin, or the Romance languages.

Again, I want something to relate to. Do I understand right that none of
the accents in ancient Greek are the same as the one single accent as
Romance and West-Germanic languages? (And which is one of the two
possible in Swedish?)

(Of course, I could have mailed these questions to Rich directly, but
I figured that there might be more ignorant and interested laymen around.)
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: Vowel systems of ....
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:46:32 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan23.222721.4306@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, poser@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Bill Poser) writes:

[...]

> contrary to Kenneth Miner's memory, Maddieson's inventories
> are, for the most part, second hand like everybody elses 

I should have guessed that a survey of more than 400 languages (if my
memory <:-> serves) would have to have relied on second-hand data.

  and so raise the
> same problems of interpretation, inconsistent phonemicization, etc.
> It has its uses, but like any other such book, I would treat it primarily
> as a source of pointers to the primary literature and check out anything
> crucial myself. Note also that that it attempts to present a statistically
> useful sample, not an exhaustive list of languages, so relatively rare
> sounds and inventories may well be missing.

I have long felt very strongly that the data problem in
theory-building is vastly underestimated.  No theoretician *can* check
everything, and a lot of theory papers, as least in phonology,
providing they are using the original sources at only one or two steps
removed, are explicit about where the data/earlier analysis comes
from.  But in extended discussions of a particular theoretical issue
where data from a given language is crucial or at least relevant, the
thread may be for all practical purposes severed.

Typically there is an early analysis by someone or other, done in a
framework no longer current.  Someone does a re-analysis in a more
current framework, which then gives rise to a whole slew of theory
papers, all of them resting on the original analysis, which their
authors may not even have read.  The work on theoretical implications
of nasality in Guarani has gone like this, for example; also current
work on metrical analyses of Winnebago accent.  Discussions with other
linguists suggests the pattern is quite general.

I don't think this renders theory-building useless, because I think
progress is being made in spite of it, and that if a hypothesis turns
out to be any good it doesn't matter how it got started.  But I do
tell my students: save yourself some time and check the data/initial
analysis *first*...
> 
> Bill Poser

-Ken
-- 
miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody.
opinions are my own      | G. K. Chesterton
Newsgroups: sci.lang
From: hansg@risken.vd.volvo.se (Hans Granqvist)
Subject: yacc like grammar of natural languages?
Organization: VolvoData
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:00:11 GMT

This may be a strange question, but having read in the latest issue of
BYTE about Machine Translation, I thought, why not express the source
language in yacc to resolve all ambiguities like "the can can be filled"
where "can" is noun or verb?

I realise the enormity of such a scheme, but I would
very much like to know if anybody has produced such a front end for
an MT device.

Thank you
--
Hans Granqvist                                  Just one guy's opinion 
Volvo Data Corporation, Gothenburg, Sweden      
To every complex problem there exists an easy solution that's not correct.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: adachin@KENYON.EDU
Subject: inauguration
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:36:59 GMT

	Hello, Everyone!

	Does everybody know a scandalous Japanese actress and singer, Miyazawa
Rie?  Well, a friend of mine saw a videotape of the inauguration and she found
Rie in the crowd.  This friend of mine studies Japanese and she's seen a lot of
recent Japanese magazines so this information is pretty trustworthy.

	I just wonder what Rie thought she was doing there.  Since her mother
is known to be "stage mama," push her daughter to do anything to get big bucks
so this might have been one of her vicious ideas to get attention even from
American press(they once called Rie "Japanese Madonna")


                                             Naomi Adachi

                                             Kenyon College, Ohio
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: What word is this??
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:04:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.202040.25821@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	In Kawabata's Sho no syousetu (palm of hand stories)
>	in the story "Natu to Huyu" on page 3 there is a word,
>	"haehairazu" (with the characters for hae "fly" (the insect)
>	and "hairu" (enters)).  Is this a screen door?

Not knowing the original, the best I can guess is that it should
be read as "hae-irazu"; and identical to what is more commonly
known as "hae-tori-gami".
Haetorigami is a roll of paper hung from the ceiling, with
sticky substance (and possibly some attractor substance) on both
sides so that a fly that touches it gest caught.
After a few days with a number of flies on it, it's quite an ugly sight.
I don't think you can find them much nowadays.

By the way, "neko-irazu" is the name of anti-rat pesticide tablets.
Literally, this means "cats not needed".
If my above supposition is correct, note the asymmetry in the naming --
here, it is flies that need get rid of.

In this, I think your "screen door" may be equally valid.
Perhaps if you provide the context, I can do better.

-YH
From: borden@M5.HARVARD.EDU (Dave Borden)
Subject: Re: language translator association
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:47:34 GMT

There's a book called "Encyclopedia of Associations", which you can probably
find in most libraries, that would be probably list the kind of association
for which you are looking.


   - Dave Borden
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: What word is this??
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:10:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.024502.8929@Csli.Stanford.EDU> I wrote:
>In article <1993Jan27.013125.8721@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>>	Here is the context:
>>
>>	itu mo nara, nabe no huta wo tottari, 
>>	<always, [he] would do things like lift the pan lids,>
>>
>>	hae-irazu wo aketari sita ue ni,
>>	<?hang fly strips.. and on top of this,>
>>	...
>
>Ah! Now I see.
>I was wrong, it's not haetorigami (fly paper streamer?).
>
>I don't want to rob credit from Tetsuya Nishimura (who accidentally
>mailed my his solution instead of posting it), so I'll wait till
>he posts.   What a suspense!! :-)

Yet I can't resist (besides correcting "my" to "me" in the above).

So some hints: The idea of a screen door was much closer; hint 2: a tent.

# The person who can figure this out from sheer imagination is
# highly appraised.

-YH
From: oi@cs.meiji.ac.jp (Hitoshi Oi)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Converting resume to nihongo
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:28:24 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Meiji University, Japan.
In-reply-to: odin@netcom.com's message of 27 Jan 93 06:05:12 GMT


	This may not be what Jon wanna know.  Unlike English resume, resume 
	for job hunting in Japan in is usually written on a special form.
	(Rirekisho Yo-shi)  
--
$@=PLa$jB);R(J
From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: FAQ: word lists available ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:05:03 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

In article <C1H61u.Bw1@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>I have used the following at one time or another. Note the entries where the
>romanji is the same although the kanji is not.  Corrections welcomed!

"Romanji" is not correst. It must be read as "romaji" (ro^mazi.)

>ue		up
                hunger
>jikan		time
                vice-minister
>te		hand
                way, strategy
>ki		tree
                spirit, mind
>umi		ocean
                ^^^^^ "sea" will be more suitable
                pus
>taiyo		sun
                ocean
>kaisha		company
>kaishajin	office worker
 ^^^^^^^^^ "kaishajin" is seldomely used. "kaishain" is more popular.
>koppu		grass
                ^^^^^ "glass" 
>eki		station
                fortunetelling (Chinese origin)
>kaze		wind
                cold (illness)
>satou		sugar
                drinkers (seldomly used)
>shio		salt
                tide
>ha		teeth
                party

Yasuaki NAKANO
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Looking for japanese text editor for MS-DOS
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:39:16 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

I'm looking for a simple Japanese text editor for MS-DOS. The only two
I know of are NJSTAR and MOKE. I want to install it on a notebook with
CGA video, but NJSTAR, my personal preference, doesn't support that
video mode. MOKE on the other hand is giving me problems. (See my
other post.) I wouldn't mind using MOKE if those could be solved but
since it's not my first choice anyway, does anyone know of other
simple Japanese text editors for English MS-DOS which support CGA?

I have joined the relevant Nifty-SERVE forums, but they won't let me
access their file libraries until my forum registration is confirmed,
plus I'm not sure I'll find anything suitable there anyway. They do
apparently include massive amounts of DOS/V stuff however, but that's
not a viable option in this case.
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: What word is this??
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:45:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.013125.8721@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>	Here is the context:
>
>	itu mo nara, nabe no huta wo tottari, 
>	<always, [he] would do things like lift the pan lids,>
>
>	hae-irazu wo aketari sita ue ni,
>	<?hang fly strips.. and on top of this,>
>	...

Ah! Now I see.
I was wrong, it's not haetorigami (fly paper streamer?).

I don't want to rob credit from Tetsuya Nishimura (who accidentally
mailed my his solution instead of posting it), so I'll wait till
he posts.   What a suspense!! :-)

-YH
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jmu@wam.umd.edu (James Marshall Unger)
Subject: Re: Sorting Japanese
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:50:22 GMT

Sorting of Japanese script data is not as simple as you think.  See Chapter 2
of my book The Fifth Generation Fallacy (Oxford, 1987).  (A Japanese version
is now available:  Konpyuuta syakai to kanzi, SIMUL, 1992.)
-- 
J. Marshall Unger, Chair
Hebrew & East Asian Languages & Literatures
2106 Juan Ramon Jimenez Hall 
University of Maryland
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: masseyj@NOVAVAX.NOVA.EDU (James Massey)
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:39:21 GMT

If I want to say "don't forget Tienanmen Square", is it "Tenanmon wa
oboenachatta ikemasen" or "oboenakucha"?

Doomo sumimasen

"/" /_,
Jim Massey
Nova University
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Guide for Teaching English in Japan
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:19:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.1993Jan27.031543.14976
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

In article <26JAN93.21093594.0067@VM1.MCGILL.CA> BFLV@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BFLV000) writes:

[description of guide deleted]
[contents deleted]

>  Foreign Children Born in Japan....................31

This, by far, was my favorite section title.

[more contents deleted]

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Subject: Bay Area Translation Services Needed !!!!
Reply-To: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:48:41 GMT

PLEASE E-MAIL ALL RESPONSES !!!!!!! THANKS !!!!!!!!!

I'd like to find out how  much it would cost to get a spec transl;ated into
Janpanese....and how long it would take.

Any numbers / recommendadtions would be welcome.

Thanks

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Tandem Computers			  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: FAQ: word lists available ?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:47:44 GMT

jfriedl@TUBBY.MACH.CS.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:

>TMKAA@FITKJES2.BITNET (Kauko Hamalainen) writes:
>|>  I am trying to locate a file containing japanese/english word pairs
>|>  for vocabulary practice. Even a small seed would help,

>On monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (130.194.1.106) in pub/nihongo you'll find
>Jim Breen's "edict" which has a small list that might be of use to you.
>There are other things in there as well that you might find of interest.

At over 30,000 entries, edict is hardly a small seed.

Probably a better start is the "*.kg" files in Mark Edwards' KG program.
If Kauko has a PC, he/she is well advised to try out KG as a drill
program.
-- 
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Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: odin@netcom.com (Jon Granrose)
Subject: Converting resume to nihongo
Summary: Looking for examples
Keywords: resume japanese argh
Organization: Hell's Geeks
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:05:12 GMT


I'm going to a Japanese career fair in San Francisco in a few weeks.  I'm
not too excited since I've only been studying for about 3 years and while I
survived 6 weeks in Japan I'm definitely not fluent.  Apparently, a
significant percentage of the interviews are being given by people who do
not speak English.  So I must convert my resume to Japanese and am going to
get some interview practice with my sensei.

Anyway, I am looking for samples of english resumes that have been
converted into Japanese as well.  I am most concerned with the format of
the resume over the content (assuming it is similar to english resumes).
Also, if there are any do's or don'ts for resumes in Japan, I'd appreciate
the information (as might others in this group).

If anyone out there could be so kind as to send me a copy of their english
resume with Japanese version as well, I'd be most appreciative.  I'd
appreciate straight text for the english and can handle any standard
Japanese format (JIS, EUC, SJIS, etc.).

Thanks


-Jon
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From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Problems Installing MOKE 1.1 on CGA Toshiba Notebook Solved!
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.1993Jan27.031929.15003
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

For those who said it couldn't be done (and there were many), I have
successfully installed MOKE 1.1 on my 8088, CGA Toshiba notebook. The
problem was quite bone-headed in fact, but maddening.

Yoke Tanaka provided the important hint. He says he once changed
colors such that the STATUS LINE (but nothing else) matched the
background and therefore didn't appear. (No STATUS LINE was my
problem, remember).  MOKE 1.1 doesn't provide any method of changing
colors but this made sense since my own problem was that I originally
had a STATUS LINE (accompanied by other problems requiring
re-installation), but then lost it (after that re-installation).

So I looked into the video driver. I had specified CGA in the MOKE.RC
file. Stupid me! Despite the fact that entries for EUC/JIS and
UNIX/MSDOS are in *upper* case, cga must be specified in *lower* case.
That was all! Once I switched it back to lower case, my STATUS LINE
reappeared. I won't comment on the programming practice of
unnecessarily mixing case-sensitive entries in a default file except
to say: "It sucks." Especially if it isn't documented. And this wasn't.

Thanks to all you who responded.


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