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From: VBCSC038@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS<>IRC
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:20:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	I have yet another question.  What the hell is GS<>IRC and how do I get
to "#AppleIIGS".. ?  I'm really confused here :)

Brenden


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Subject: Re: Wish list for FAX software on the GS
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Dec16.070359.9489@eskimo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:37:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.070359.9489@eskimo.com> lurch@eskimo.com (Erik Kloeppel) writes:


>   better yet - how about a 3-position switch:  Off (Ignore all calls), Query (Interupt user and ask if we want to accept call), and Just Do It (where softwaretakes control and receives the fax)

(nice 80 column formatting.. *COUGH*   ;)
	But, I like the idea.. (jotted it down on a piece of paper to
remember it even.. :)

>   |          lurch@eskimo.com            |         Does the Noise in my      

			Richard
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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:21:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkside.Bz5H7q.908
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Matt, it's over at Apple Computer for us Apple IIers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we
have great developers, but how is Apple gonna help us? No way. Who's gonna
revise our System Software? No one. The Apple IIgs will be dead by 1993, we
know it, it's a confirmed rumor, unless Apple changes their mind. At Apple,
we've reached the point of no return. (Or atleast with the IIgs, what are
they gonna do? Hold on to the IIe for a year and then drop it too?)

What about "Apple II Forever", Matt? What about that? Lack of support is one
thing, but having our forefathers lie to us is another.

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From: arogers@eis.calstate.edu (Al Rogers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: pinouts for LC IIe serial port?
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:19:00 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

I need the pinouts for the Mac LC serial port slot 2 in IIe
emulation mode.

The question I need to answer is, is there enough intelligence there
to support a high-speed modem, as in Modemworks 3.0????

Thanks for any help.
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: A modest experiment
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:27:24 GMT
Reply-To: fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

For those of you wondering what the difference between HardPressed and
AutoArk is...

I recently booted a copy of System 6.0 with HardPressed installed.  Big
deal.  Well, the trick is that it was on a write-protected 800K floppy, and
even after installing all of the HardPressed files, it had more space on it
than it did before compressing stuff.

The best part is, it only took a few seconds longer to boot.

In case you want to nit-pick, it was a single 800K floppy all by its
lonesome; no other volumes were involved in the process.  I stuck it into the
disk drive and booted all the way into the Finder.  And yes, it really
was write protected.  I have witnesses. :-)


I don't want to give out any specific numbers, because it's still in the
"almost done" stage, and they will likely change.  I don't really want to
give out a release date either, for a variety of good reasons.  "Soon."

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Zoom modems/good or bad?
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:17:25 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun Dec 13 92 at 23:03:05 (EST)

> From: pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer)
> In article <168BADA87.ALEFF@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> ALEFF@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> > Has anyone heard anything, good or bad, about the Zoom v.32 bis modem?  I
> > believe it's the VXV32bis (data only), or something like that.  Please
> email. 
> I to am thinking of buying one of these and would like info from anyone
> who has had experience with the ZOOM VFX or VX 32 bis modems 14400 baud
> externals FAX and no fax versions. It might be worth posting as these are the
> lowest priced 14400 modems I've seen.

The only problem I've heard about concerning (possibly) the Zoom is that it
has trouble retraining with Supra V.32bis modems. Your guess is as good as
mine as to which modem is the source of the trouble. Neither modem seems to
have any trouble retraining with Zyxel's.

                    -=> Message from Kim Brennan <=-
          (kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com)  or  (kimbrennan@aol.com)
         {Cathouse BBS (301) 840-8567 3/12/24/9600 V.32 24 hours}
From: jcitro@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU (Joe Citro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Connections, #4. Repost.
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:00:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


  Joe,
    Just a short note to thank you for the "Connections" column.  I've
  been using it in our newsletter.  Keep up the good work

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                             Joe Citro  - CMSgt(Ret)/USAF              
       Newsletter Editor - Metro Apple Comp.Hobbyist  (MACH)  - Omaha NE                                   Members of "The Dead Computer Society"
 Internet - jcitro@cwis.unomaha.edu  --==[++]==--  America Online = JAX33
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: The Apple II Now and Forever
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:37:21 GMT

ujmurphy@mcs.Drexel.edu (Jim Murphy) writes:

>On 12 Dec 92 19:25:32 GMT, bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) said:

>     I would certainly hope not! :-) I haven't really even started yet and
>someone used "execute" and my name together in a sentence. Yikes! :-)

  Didn't mean to scare ya there, Jim. :)

[..]
>     Could you please wait a minute? I'd like you all to please realize that
>right now, and for at least the forseeable future, _Apple_ is in the best
>place to revise and enhance Apple II System Software. 
 
  Certainly- but they're not going to keep it up _forever_.  And with all
the stuff that GNO adds to GS/OS...  :)

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 Procyon, Inc.              |   for the Apple IIgs!   
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: danb@pro-sol.cts.com (Dan Brown)
Subject: Re: II Alive!
Organization: ProLine [pro-sol], Rancho San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:02:25 PST

To order II Alive, call 1-800-777-3642 for Quality Computers. 
Alternatively, you might be able to do it via E-Mail to
jerry@pro-quality.cts.com.
--> Dan

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From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: IDE Drives
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:53:50 GMT
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.

In article <1992Dec13.211647.10442@news.columbia.edu> stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>You can put an IDE drive in a SCSI case.  They both use a 50
>pin ribbon connector on the back.  I asked the designer of the IDE
>card to consider making a ribbon cable from the IDE card to a db-25,
>so you can use standard SCSI cables to attach the IDE drives.  I think
>that will be the best in terms of getting cases.  (Although there may
>be a little confusion at between the two)

Not true.  IDE drives take a 40-pin connector...and odds are that each
of the 40 pins serves some purpose.  Attempting to use DB-25 SCSI
cables with IDE drives would more than likely ruin both the drive and
the controller.

You can, however, put an IDE drive in a "SCSI" case, replace the SCSI
cabling with something that'll work with IDE (perhaps using some sort
of high-density connector), and roll it all together.

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!           Ask me about SoftDAC--digital
(IIGS(  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis          audio for your Apple IIe/IIc!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Project Apple Storm: The Empire Strikes Back
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:53:25 GMT

In article <1gha69INNcc2@gap.caltech.edu> toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:

[ Reality?...]
>
>Apple _does_ need to act to provide a solid, dependable support mechanism for
>everyone who owns their "orphaned" machines (this includes old macs too!) --
>this is a good business decision for them because present owners of Apple
>machines will be far more inclined to stay with Apple when they finally _do_
>upgrade. But we have to give them a chance to grind the corporate gears and
>try a plan or two before drastic and illegal action like Ernie's is anywhere
>near warranted!

As an owner of an HP Integral, NeXT Cube and GS I would have a hard time 
being optimistic about any positive action. Perhaps a $100 trade in rebate
towards a Mac. In any case, I have come to the conclusion that the whole
computer world has been coopted by business for their benefit. I doubt there
are many benefits in staying in this type of environment. 
 
Unless someone comes up with a home, personal, etc...system and community, the
future is most grim for anyone interested in computing and not involved in it
at the basic level. At this time there is no such thing as a consumer 
computing product. I do hope the ad wizards don't manage to convince people
that their children will somehow be unable to think without having owned a
micro computer.
 
The GS is far too expensive, has a nice user community, unacceptable 
productivity mode, good multimedia potential which isn't being developed
except perhaps by Hyperstudio, etc...It should cost no more than a few 
hundred dollars and have a decent editing resolution. Without that, I doubt
it can last much longer. 
 
A certain recent present was sent to us called the Miracle Piano System.
It consists of a mediocre midi 49 key keyboard and a neat bunch of sw. It
should have been developed for the GS. Instead it's available for the SNES,
Mac, PC, Amiga/CDTV, etc...Kind of nice actually. We don't even have a decent
affordable sequencer, poor notation capabilities, etc...and sound should be
right up there in the priority list.

Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: SCSI drive troubles
From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:35:15 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

I am trying to get a 52 mb Quantum drive partitioned to work with my IIgs with
high speed SCSI card. I already have a 30 mb Seagate drive hooked up. The
Quantum is connected to the card, and the Seagate to the Quantum. I was able
to get GS/OS to recognize the drive only by formatting the entire drive as an
HFS folume. When I did this, all sorts of mayhem occurred when I tried to put
files on it, such as "generic FST error"s and having the finder lock up or
crash into the monitor. I then tried to partition it with ADU, Chinook SCSI
utilities, and the high speed SCSI card utilities. I kept getting brain dead
partitions, eg with the bit maps located at the end of the volumes, and
not being able to be fixed with a block editor because the write failed. 
The drive's partitions always cause the finder to choke and I get i/o errors
when I catalog under ProDOS. Copying files to them causes the volumes to be
trashed. Each utility's verify function finds no bad blocks on the drive,
and the Seagate drive functions perfectly when chained to the drive. The
guy who sold it says my software can't handle Quantum drives, and I need to
try it on a Mac. I'm starting to think the drive is toast. Any ideas? Kindly
reply rather than following up as I want to get it going ASAP.
--
Randy
cxd14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: "Apple II Forever" (Was: Re: Project Apple Storm) 
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:11:36 GMT


>> Well, no matter what happens, will you still be able to continue sourcing
>> out neat shareware and PD programs?

Philip - Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what you're asking. What do
you mean by the phrase "sourcing out"?

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: Re: Pointless 2.0
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:20:21 GMT

In article <1gsgboINNdeh@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) writes:
>
>Has anyone that ordered the Pointless 2.0 upgrade yet received it??
>
>I placed my order almost 3 weeks ago, and they said it would ship
>within 48 hours. To date I have not received it. I called the company
>and they claim it was shipped...

    I haven't received mine yet after two weeks.  I'm going to call Westcode
back on Monday and check if they have 2.0.1 (which I've been hearing about).
Right now I'm borrowing a friend's 2.0 whilst waiting for mine... :(
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From: jlars@pro-storm.cts.com (John Larson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: .QWK readers
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:38:09 GMT
Organization: ProLine [Pro-Storm] -- Dallas, TX -- 214/644-5113


   I am wondering if there is a version of the .QWK program that will work
on the //E.
 
John Larson

ProLine:  jlars@pro-storm
Internet: jlars@pro-storm.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-storm!jlars
Bitnet:   jlars%pro-storm.cts.com@nosc.mil
From: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Utility to combine files
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:27:41 GMT
Reply-To: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Organization: Lightning Systems, Inc.

I'm looking for a way to combine text files on my //e.  Currently I've
found 2 ways to do it.

1) Load the 2nd file into ProTERM v3.0's editor and save it, appending it
onto the first.

or

2) Load each file onto the AppleWorks desktop, take the 2nd file and cut it
to the clipboard.  Go into the 1st file and paste it onto the end of the
file.

The problem is that the 1st option only works for files less than 46k, and
the 2nd option is a time consuming pain in the butt.

So, has anyone found a better way to do this?

Please e-mail answers, I will post a summary of responses after.

Thanks,
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acct069@carroll1.cc.edu  | (414) 363-4282  62megs  | Van Halen Rules! 
carroll1!acct069@uwm.edu | 14.4k HST/V.32bis       | Bill & Ted are cool!
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Patching the menu manager
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:52:23 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA


For a program I am writing I need to patch the MenuSelect call in the Menu
Manager. The problem is that I can't figure out how to patch it without
rewriting all the critical parts of the entire tool set. MenuSelect does a lot
of calling to the low level menu DefProcs. The problem is that my patched
MenuSelect does not know how to call those routines because their entry points
are not documented (unless it is a custom menu, but most are not)

Does anyone have a solution other than rewriting the standard DefProc?

Thanks.
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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: QWK reader..
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:09:09 GMT

schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz) writes:

>In article <n123at@ofa123.fidonet.org> Brenden.Gilbert@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>>      I just completed the s16 version of QWK-GS the shell command I 
>>put up on Comp.Binaries.Apple recently.  It is completely menu-driven and
>I know this is a basic question but: What is QWK? A mail format, a mail
>reader????

A format for FIDO "news" and mail. This way you may read messages offline
and upload your replies w/o having to go through the hassle of installing
a point system.

Soenke
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From: Scott.Thomas@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: .Qwk Readers
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 13 Dec 92  06:45:04

I am looking for a .QWK reader that will work with the IIgs.  I currently have 
2 that work from a shell environement (gno, Prosel) and I was wondering if
there is one that I can run straight from the finder (ie, SYS16, P8 file).
 
Also I am in need of a program that will pack in the .Zip and the .Lha
formats.
 
Thank you for your time.

--- Maximus 2.00
From: joe_luzzi@QMBRIDGE.CALSTATE.EDU ("Joe Luzzi")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: misc replies
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:38:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


        Reply to:   RE>misc replies



!>If Apple had introduced
!>the Mac LC w/Apple IIe card instead of the IIgs, I'd probably
!>own one today.  But, they didn't and Apple has paid dearly for
!>this mistake with unhappy Apple II and IIgs users who are feeling
!>abandoned.
 
>>Matt has made this point before: Suggesting that Apple should've come
>>out with the LC instead of the IIGS is ridiculous. In 1986, the
>>68020-based Mac II was not even out, and it cost far more than the LC.
>>If Apple could make the LC at the price it does today 6 years ago, they
>>would have. It's like saying "If only
>>the IIGS had come out in 1980, with the equivalent of System 6.0, with
>>a 14 MHz 65816..."
 
It's not  ridiculous.  It's not my problem whether it was possible for
Apple, or not.  (which I don't believe anyway)  Apple's the one that wanted
to shift gears and get everyone to buy Macs as their NeXT computer. 
Instead of leading us along with the IIgs, they should have built a Mac
like the LC with color, that ran Mac and IIe software. (Mac is the computer
for the rest of us, right?)  I don't care if the 68020 was out yet.  A
68000 would have been fine.  Providing a bridge to their new line of
computers is a positive thing to do.  It shows that the company values my
business and wants me to continue doing business with them.  If Apple could
have gotten most of the Apple II camp to purchase Macs, think of the
revenue they would have had!  Instead most users went elsewhere (MSDOS,
AMiga, etc...).  Almost 90% of the software that ran on an IBM 8086 will
run on an IBM 80486. An upgrade path to the Mac is a positive thing to do. 
The Apple IIgs is not what I call an upgrade path.  The Mac and the IIgs
each have their own character.  I like the IIgs much better than the Mac. 
I like the Mac too, but the IIgs supported me when I had tons of old
software from my IIe days.  All I'm saying is that a bridge machine was
needed for Apple II users years ago.  The LC idea is too late.  If I'm
being ridiculous, then why are their so many unhappy Apple II users?


_________________________
Joe M. Luzzi
CSU Fullerton
joe@fullerton.edu
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Comments?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:58:06 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <lh70672@pro-scat.cts.com> bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon) 
writes:
[484 lines later]

>Whaddaya think?

Do we really need to see this drivel all over again?
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