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From: dvberger@remus.rutgers.edu (David Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Conan Soundtrack Needed
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:58:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Quite simply,

I am looking for the soundtrack to Conan the Barbarian on CD.  Does it exist?
If so, how do I get it?  Currently, I have a tape from a laserdisc.  This
just doesn't cut it, though.

Conan, what is best in life?

To crush your enemies.  See them driven before you.  And to here the 
lamentation of their women.

*snicker*

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Artist royalties on Record Club sales 
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:10:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.143617.16322@predator.vpharm.com> dap@predator.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman) writes:
>In article <12141@tamsun.tamu.edu> mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Matthew M Agee) writes:
>>
>>	...i don't know how many people realise this, but artists get 
>>absolutely *no income* from sales made through record clubs...it's a matter
>>of legal loopholes that all the major labels exploit...

>WHAT?! This is absolutely wrong. The royalty structure for sales through
>record clubs is sometimes different, depending on how contracts were
>written, but the artists most assuredly get royalties for these sales.

>Artists do not get royalties for *promotional copies* and cutouts. In fact,
>the costs of producing the former are typically charged to the artist. 
>Perhaps this is where you got confused.

From _This Business of Music_, 6th Edition by Shemel & Krasilovsky

Record Clubs And Premiums

Artist Royalties

A fairly Standard provision in agreements with American artists is that
they receive one-half their usual royalty fee on sales through clubs
and that no royalties are payable on bonus or free records distributed
by clubs. The bonus and free records clauses tend to match the
provisions in agreements between record compamies and the record clubs,
and the lower royalties have been negotiated in the light of the
royalties from the club.
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu.
Visit the music FTP archives at cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4)
From: grigutis.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Cocoteau Twins Boxed CD-Single set, any good?
Date: 12 Apr 92 02:25:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cybernet.u0i4iB1w164w
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

I've been contemplating getting this boxed set.  It would be my first 
Cocoteau Twins purchase (I've only hear Hazel and bits and pieces in the 
record store).  Should I also get any of the albums?  Any plans for the
albums to come out in a boxed set too?
From: lorne.murphy@rose.com (lorne murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: YES fans read thi
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:55:01 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 04-14-92 06:32
F(>Although I would move Close To The Edge up to 2 and The Yes Album down

Really?? THE YES ALBUM, I thought, deserved to be up reasonably high
because of STARSHIP TROOPER and A VENTURE... but, I guess CLOSE TO
THE EDGE does sound pretty darn good. Oh well...

Re: DRAMA... sounds pretty good.  Best tracks (CD-wise)... DOES IT
REALLY HAPPEN? and MACHINE MESIAH.


LM
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From: larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Bootlegs: Prices, morality
Summary: wildly uncertain quality + ripoff prices = dubious expenditure
Keywords: mastered from vinyl
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:17:52 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <35091@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
>For starters...companies like Great Dane and Yellow Dog who put out high
>quality bootlegs pay enormous amounts of money to acquire some of the tapes
>of the shows.  The new Yellow Dog "Get Back" CD by the Beatles has 8 bonus
>tracks on it that someone paid upwards of $10,000.00 for.  

Even if that's true, there are far more bootlegs that are copies of copies of
copies of tapes or vinyl of unknown lineage, and which I suspect cost a lot
less to make.  Those sell for $25-40 each, too.  The amount of money being
made from boot CDs mastered from vinyl is disgusting, IMHO.  We have a right 
to be pissed off about this, especially when very, very few boot CDs would 
actually give any indication of "mastered from vinyl" on the outside.  Others 
have severe defects like massive noise gating which render them unlistenable 
even to hardcore fans.  If collectors knew they were getting a high-quality 
soundboard or studio outtake every time, they might complain a bit less. 

>I think my prices
>are very fair...you can go to your local record store and buy a legit CD
>by your favorite group and pay $15.00 for 10 songs and get ripped off. 

Hmm, never thought of it that way... you could pay $15 to get ripped off,
or you could pay $30 to get ripped off.  Hmm.  Let's see, how much does a
record company pay to record and promote a legit release, compared with up 
to maybe $20,000 or so for a boot?  And who would take the risk of selling
bootlegs unless they were making a hefty profit?  Or is this all done just
as a service to fellow musicologists, yeah, that's it...

>What
>is wrong with paying a little extra for material that is rare and in most
>cases VERY GOOD.

$28 or more is a _lot_ extra.  $13-18 extra.  And 2-CD sets... ugh.  The guy 
who said that bootlegs are their own punishment had the right idea.

If people want to buy/sell them, that's their business; but they are illegal,
so it's about as appropriate a use of the net as selling drugs in alt.drugs, 
IMHO.  

-- 
Larry Spence
larry@csccat.cs.com
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Repost: RARE CDs FOR SALE!!! (over 800 CDs)!!!
Keywords: NIRVANA, PINK FLOYD, LED ZEPPELIN, U2, SPRINGSTEEN, METALLICA
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:18:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.7!zjh8m
Organization: Living in a satellite fantasy, waiting for the night to end.

jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:

> First, to equate selling bootleg CDs with selling drugs over the net is the
> most asinine thing I have ever heard.

Why?  Selling drugs is illegal, and selling bootlegs is illegal.

> Secondly, as someone pointed out...the laws which govern live recordings
> in Italy are VERY different than the U.S. 

It doesn't matter whether they're bearking the law in Italy when they make
them, what matters is whther *you're* breaking the law *here* when you
sell them.  Which you are, and you know it.  Under the RICO statutes, it's
not inconcievable that UFL could lose its computer systems if some
overzealous prosecutor decides that your posts are evidence of organized
criminal activity.

And all this pales when compared to the fact that you're running a
business over the net, which violates the rules around here several times
over.  Take your nonsense to GOLDMINE or DISCoveries, but don't do it
here. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: tparker@music.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: BMG membership
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:44:03 GMT
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO

In article <1456@anagld.analytics.com> bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman) writes:
>rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) writes:
>
>>How were you planning on calling BMG?  I've never been able to track
>>down a phone number for them.
>
>Here is the number for BMG (317)542-0414.
>
>Now You Know!
>

Better yet is:  (800) WAMADEUS 

(The last digit is superfluos but harmless)

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From: bjue@engin.umich.edu (Brian Jeffrey Jue)
Subject: Who sang this song?  (help!)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 12:26:41 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa



      Who sang this song?  I have it on an old tape of mine, but I cannot
figure out the title and artist of the song.  It's a song from the middle 70s
to the early 80s.  Can anyone help?  The chorus goes:

      Wasn't it you who said that nothing matters
      Wasn't it you who had to have it all
      Now your broken wings are all in tatters
      You can try to fly, but it's just too far to fall.

      The start of the song goes something like:

      In the streets there's people dancing
      You sit at home and wonder why...

      

      Thanks all, been wondering about this song for the longest time...
From: jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: PLEASE READ!!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:13:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: uflorida.34992
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

Anyone who sent me e-mail regarding my list of RARE CDs FOR SALE and
hasn't heard back from me yet...PLEASE send me your requests again!
Some e-mail messages bounced!  

John Young
jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,alt.rock-n-roll
From: quanta@athena.mit.edu (Doug Newton)
Subject: Moody Blues "Days..Passed" Missing vocals on CD
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:19:37 GMT

On the regular PolyGram/Decca release of "Days of Future Passed," some
backing vocals were wiped out of his "Time to Get Away" during two parts
of the song (Track 5, at about 7:00 min. and 8:00 min.).  Now he sings
alone where there were once some backing vocals.  Not too much I can
do about correcting this.

Now, to my question.  Does anyone know if the gold CD version of "... Future
Passed" is made from another digital master - one that maybe didn't get 
botched?  

Please email in addition to posting.  Thanks.

--Doug Newton
quanta@athena.mit.edu
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: APOLOGY (was Re: RARE CDs FOR SALE (WARNING: 900+ lines))
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:00:26 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

>In article <34974@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
>>Here is my completed list of CDs for sale....

In article <46106@dime.cs.umass.edu> I responded:
>I answered your article, which was posted from Florida, and
>I got an answer from someone in *Norway*...

	I sincerely apologize to John Young for my posting above.
By a bizarre coincidence, the e-mail I got from Norway was totally
unrelated to John's CD sale!

	I think my mistake was understandable.  The mail from Norway was
about an extremely similar subject, and the sender didn't say anything
except "I can't give more details because of the enormous response."
But I indeed jumped to the wrong conclusion.

                                                        Dan

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From: lyle@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu (Lyle Youngblood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.humor
Subject: Re: New Weird Al Album
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:27:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr17.002752.12517
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.081128.23112@rice.edu> mcbride@sawwhet.owlnet.rice.edu (Doug McBride) writes:
>
>By the way, I'm not sure my posts are getting through
>nationally, so if ANYONE reads this outside of Houston, drop
>me a line.  Thanks.
>
    You're coming through loud and wierd in Indiana.
                                  Lyle

--
All men are equal, Colnel Colt made 'em that way - Old West Proverb
Political power flows from the barrell of a gun - Mao Tse-tung
Same thought, different words - Lyle Youngblood
lyle@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: wcsanil@alfred.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: CD SCRATCH REMOVAL? Any ideas?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:38:25 GMT


Can someone give me some hints on how to remove scratches from CD's?

Thanks.

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: scherrer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael Scherrer)
Subject: Re: BMG membership
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:38:23 GMT

In article <Ydsjxdi00WBLM2G2gA@andrew.cmu.edu> rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) writes:
>How were you planning on calling BMG?  I've never been able to track
>down a phone number for them.
>
>ross
>
>
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>PO Box 262, CMU           |   Bitnet: rc3h@andrew.cmu.edu
>Pittsburgh, Pa.  15213    |   UUCP:   ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!rc3h
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I used to be in BMG.  I just called information for their number, called
up BMG and cancelled my membership. There were never any problems.
Unfortunately I no longer have the number.

Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: YES fans read thi
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:28:12 GMT

lorne.murphy@rose.com (lorne murphy) writes:


>Date Entered: 04-14-92 06:32
>F(>Although I would move Close To The Edge up to 2 and The Yes Album down

>Really?? THE YES ALBUM, I thought, deserved to be up reasonably high
>because of STARSHIP TROOPER and A VENTURE... but, I guess CLOSE TO
>THE EDGE does sound pretty darn good. Oh well...

>Re: DRAMA... sounds pretty good.  Best tracks (CD-wise)... DOES IT
>REALLY HAPPEN? and MACHINE MESIAH.

And don't forget TEMPIS FUGIT!  I'm still totally amazed by that song.
-- 
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From: wcsanil@alfred.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: NEW CD FROM SKY?
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:56:46 GMT


I've been told there's a new CD from the classical/rock fusion outfit
SKY (Tristan Fry, Herbie Flowers, John Williams) etc..

If you have a title, info, review, anything, please
reply to me ASAP.

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

(yes, we're talking about a brand new 1992 release!)

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: mcbride@sawwhet.owlnet.rice.edu (Doug McBride)
Subject: New Weird Al Album
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:11:28 GMT



Anyone know what songs he parodies this time?  The only one
I've heard is the Nirvana takeoff, which was damn funny.


By the way, I'm not sure my posts are getting through
nationally, so if ANYONE reads this outside of Houston, drop
me a line.  Thanks.


---------------------------------------------------------------
"Look for my corpse in the color supplement!" -- Andy Partridge

Doug McBride			        mcbride@owlnet.rice.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jsquires@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Squires)
Subject: Re: RARE CDs FOR SALE (WARNING: 900+ lines)
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 18:57:05 GMT

 I don't think the prices are that bad for the bootlegs recently posted.

Somebody said that you might be getting "Ripped Off".  He bought a Pixies 
boot CD for $22.   Well good for him, we can't all go to Switzerland to 
buy Cd's for cheaper.  

I've been doing a lot of looking around in catologs and magazines like
GOLDMINE and I rarely (if ever) see a CD for under $28.  They are usually
in the $30+ range.  In San Francisco (where I can buy bootlegs) the 
prices are always in the $40's.

Just my thoughts...  --John Squires--

Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jerryl@is.morgan.com (Jerry Liebelson)
Subject: Looking for phone number of Island Records
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:48:57 GMT

Does anybody have a phone number for Island Records?
-- 
jerryl@is.morgan.com
From: Espen.H.Koht@dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: RARE CDs FOR SALE (WARNING: 900+ lines)
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:31:49 GMT
 <1992Apr6.190819.27117@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr6.190819.27117@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas) writes:

> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
> 
> >In article <34974@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> jry@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Young) writes:
> >> [Selling 900+ cd's]
> 
> > [Voices misgivings about the seller.]
> >	I suggest you explain just how this sale is working, really.
> 
> I'd like an explanation as well.  Some of those CD's were pretty tempting,
> but I really don't know anything about the operation.  Where do these CD's
> come from?  How did you manage to become the distributor?

   My humble guess at what is going on here is that somebody is
self-importing CDs from some fairly well established bootleg CD
manufacturers (mainly from Italy).  I have a Pixies KTS CD which is
pretty of good quality. It cost me about $22 in Switzerland when I
bought it, which is not that bad considering the relative high price of
CD is Switzerland in general.  The CD I have has no address listed, but
I remember that some Great Dane CDs I looked at had both an address and
a list of other CDs available.  The average pricewas around $20
(compared to $28 in the posting).  Even calculating in postage, the
profit margin here is not too bad.  I'm not going shout 'you're being
ripped-off', but clearly you would save some money by buying these CDs
directly yourself (these CDs essentially sold by mail order, even
though some stores get these to sell them over the counter).
From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andrew Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Need the 800 numbers for columbia house!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:19:28 GMT
	<12141@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc., Marlboro, MA.
In-reply-to: mma9872@csseq.cs.tamu.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 13:55:36 GMT


>	...i don't know how many people realise this, but artists get 
>absolutely *no income* from sales made through record clubs...it's a matter
>of legal loopholes that all the major labels exploit...
>	...aritsts have a difficult enough time trying to scrape together
>enough money to live on while still having time for their music; if their
>listeners do not support them, they cannot be expected to continue to put
>out quality work...
>	...i realise that cd clubs do offer good prices, but before anyone
>goes off and uses that outlet, at least try to make an informed 
>decision...from the artists' standpoint, you may as well be pirating the 
>music...





I really hope you don't expect me to feel bad for someone
like Springsteen or Michael Jackson or anyone else who
is pulling in a couple of million a year on commercials
and endorsements. I am going to save money where I can,
my $2 savings is not gonna break these guys.

It seems that most of the artists in the Columbia or BMG
clubs aren't really suffering. And I'm sure that on their way
up they saved and scrimpted when and where they could.


But thankyou for pointing that out to me.
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 14:01:38 EDT
From: <U233A@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CD lifespan question


     I'm certain this has been discussed before, but I don't
monitor this list frequently.  There has been talk around the
office of CD's breaking down after 10 years or so.  Is anyone
qualified to speak on this subject?  It would seem a shame to
have my "good-for-a-lifetime"  CD collection reduced to
temporary status.  Thanks for the time!  Tony
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CD ROT: NO JOKE !!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:38:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.kmrjjsb
Organization: Living in a satellite fantasy, waiting for the night to end.

awelker@watarts.UWaterloo.ca (a welker) writes:

> I would just like to add that I agree completely! Most people that state
> that in every case a CD sounds better that an LP have never even HEARD a
> GOOD turntable (no a dual or a Thorens DOES NOT count!). 

This is like saying "people who prefer walking to driving have never
driven a Lamborghini".  Most of us can't afford Lamborghinis, and most of
us can't afford to blow the kind of money that your "good" turntable
would cost either.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"Hello.  My name is Julie, and this is the M-16."
From: garyj@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Gary Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Noteworthy ROEG software question
Keywords: ROEG Noteworthy
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:07:00 GMT
Distribution: usa

Has anyone out there gotten the ROEG software from Noteworthy up and
running? Mine isn't happy trying to talk to my modem. Yes, I've installed
the 1.00a update :)

Thanks,
Gary Johnson
From: panero@cheshire.oxy.edu (Jan Panero)
Subject: Country Joe and the Fish on CD?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:12:34 GMT


Does anyone know whether any Country Joe and the Fish album has ever been
released on CD?  The one I especially want is a sort of greatest hits album
which I have a tape off of a record of and I'm not even sure of the title.  

Thanks,
Jan
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From: paixao@ug.cs.dal.ca (Nuno Paixao)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: RFD: removal of rec.music.cd
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:25:14 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

I don't have a lot to add to this topic, but I do want to make
one quick suggestion.

It seeems to me that a lot of the problems are related to the
"I have these CDs for sale" messages.  Well, why not get rid
of this problem by creating rec.music.marketplace (or something
to that effect). Then this group could be used for its intended 
purpose (which I might add is NOT this discussion.)

Later

Nuno

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