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From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Band Traditions
Reply-To: aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:10:38 GMT

swain@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain) writes: 

: On ucla game day, the trumpet section meets at 5:00 am and goes down
: to City Hall to wake up the bums. 

How very nice of you -- I'm sure they really appreciate it.  Not to
mention appreciate your calling them "bums".

: After we hold our sectional, we
: all travel to Tommy's where we indulge in Tommy's burgers and some
: soda.  On that day, it is also tradition that all the Freshman drink
: a root beer slick which is a concoction consisting of root beer,
: chili, jalepeno peppers, and bassically any other food substance
: which we can find.  They then have to drink it.  Believe me, that is
: an experience.

Wow -- that must be pleasant.  I'm sure your freshman must find that
an incredibly fun, stimulating experience.

:  At about 8am, we arrive back on campus and go to
: each and every parking structure that are next to campus residences
: and wake up the residents with renditions of "Fanfare", "Tribute to
: Troy","Fight On!", and "Conquest".  At about 9am, we are back at
: rehersal to practice for the show.
: 
: Ronnie Swain
: swain@scf.usc.edu
: Trojans Rule!
: 

Wow -- waking up a bunch of college students at 8AM on a Saturday.
That must truly endear you to everyone on campus.  You must get all
sorts of fan support.  People must _love_ you for it.

Oh well.  I wouldn't expect any better from the Spirit of Troy.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: TSU band shoplifting spree
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:12:30 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

As a result of their shoplifting spree in Tokyo, the president of TSU announced
today that there is no more "Ocean of Soul" band. I haven't heard any details
yet.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard

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From: ajstorey@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDER JOHN STOREY)
Subject: HOWDY!!!
Originator: ajstorey@c00572-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ajstorey@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDER JOHN STOREY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:01:15 GMT


Since I'm here I thought I'd post.  

Any drummers out there? I'm a freshman snare here and I'm looking for nice drum
line chatter (rec.arts.music.makers.perc. just doesn't cut it...).

Is Florida State's drum line any good? They didn't march here in Raleigh this
season: they brought a pep band the size of our entire band and kept playing that
damn Tomahawk Chop...I thought Clemson was bad.

The Clemson drum line was ok. The basses sounded great, but the snares have got
to lose those scoops...i was on the sideline behind them while they played 
at halftime here and I could hardly hear them at all.  The Clemson band was
wowed by our drum feature "Drag It Out".  The following comment was overheard
by our illustrious Motrin-and-jalapeno-addict instructor, Doug Bailey as he
watched from the sideline:
       "WOW! Why can't we OUR drummers to do that?"

Carolina? Matt Savage is incredible! Need I say more?  Couldn't see or hear them
very well due to the lousy seats we got. Oh well...

Maryland, Ga. Tech: not impressed. Saw both on their home fields.

Duke, Virginia, Wake Forest: haven't seen them out of the stands.

Gee, that was...long. Sorry!

To any of y'all Florida Gator drummers out there, see ya on the 31st!

Alex "K.C." Storey
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From: sloan@iastate.edu (Eric R Sloan)
Subject: X-mas HS band story
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:25:07 GMT

Well... I should really be studying for my Physics 221 Exam in 1 hour, but 
instead I'll reminisce(sp?) on my X-mas Band experience, which was in my
HS Freshman year. Our band, the DGS Marching Mustangs was invited to march
at the Aloha Bowl, this was, I believe, 1987. The idea of taking a trip to
Hawaii was positively mind-blowing! To make things more fun, I was offered
a spot on the drumline as 3 of the 4 bass drummers were unable to go. (The 
director realized this about 3 weeks before we left, learning the drill
 consisted of me being dragged about the field by the percussion instructor....
...."Now we go here <crrk>(sound of my neck snapping,repeat) but I digress :) )
The best part was, about a month before we left, ABC-TV decided to change the
date, and we couldn't get plane tickets for the new date, so basically,
 we went to Hawaii, played one show in a mall, got judged in a stadium with
 about 2 people watching (the bus drivers) and watched the directors come back
 to the hotel >>TRASHED<< every night. A week in Hawaii and I must have played a total of 2 hrs...  Ya gotta love it!!! :)

Eric Sloan
ISUCF"V"MB--Clarinet
Proud player of vintage D.Noblet wood...
My dog died, my house burned down, my girlfriend left me..... 
At least I've still got my Woody!!!!
----------------------------------Final Count-2 down, 1 to go..see ya in Jan.!
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: I don't wanna post WGI here
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:01:33 EDT
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In article <168BD7CEB.WHFELT01@UKCC.UKY.EDU> (rec.arts.marching.misc), WHFELT01@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Bill Felty) writes:
>Sorry, I don't want to be difficult but I don't think it's fair for me to have
>to sort through 90, that's 90 posts on college bands this morning to get to
>the WGI posts in which I'm interested!  

I sympathize with you.  I think I'm not interested in this group either.

>When alt.colorguard existed, low traffic or not, there was not this problem.
>Knowing all this, I wish I could go back and change my vote.  Until all this
>is corrected, I'll still feel that WGI got the shaft.  Sorry, just being honest

Well, how about leaving alt.colorguard around?  No one says the alt
groups have to be removed...

Niel

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From: sasmith@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Four)
Subject: The SU Marching Band and the upcoming Fiesta Bowl
Keywords: Fiesta Bowl and Anytubasoutthere?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:28:54 EST

Okay, y'all, as we know, many marching bands are preparing to head off to
different parts of the United States to perform at Bowl Games....same with
us!!  So, any of you march in the Fiesta Bowl over the past couple of
years OR  are there any people from Colorado out there that I might get to
meet????  Please, I would appreciate one who heck of alot if you could get 
back in touch with me.  We'll be playing together and hey, ya'know about
that block party at ASU on New Year's Eve?????

One more thing....if there are any tubas out there....I waiting to hear
from you....I've heard from one....so I'll send a special HELLO to Brian
at NCSU!!!!  Have a great break guy!

LALALALALALALA---ever wonder why?
just asking?

	If you're leaving for vacation---I HATE YOU!!!!
	
	Sally "four" Smith
	
	the Tuba player from Syracuse!
	(sasmith@mailbox.syr.edu)
From: swain@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: more U$C (was Re: Cal (UC Berkeley) Band)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:09:11 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Dec10.152543.10882@dbsun.uucp> hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu writes:
>I can see why smaller schools with less inspiring football programs may have
>to offer scholarships for bands, but a *major* program like U$C!  Come on!
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Jim Hulsey)   TBDBITL '84 ('85 Rose Bowl)
>An Ohioan living in Misery (Missouri, same difference)
>.sig in search of new, witty quote.

Well, I guess it's time for me to respond.  As you may guess, I am a member of
the Trojan Marching Band.  Yes, one would not think that a major program such
as USC would not need to have scholarships to be in the band.  However, what 
you must remember is that the majority of students at USC (contrary to popular
belief) are not rich.  The majority of us are getting a good deal of financial
aid, without which we could not be here.  Being in the band takes up a lot of 
time which could be spent working.  So, the band provides supplements to those
students who do need it (and believe me, there are a lot.)  Still not all of us
get money from the band.  I've been in the band 3 years and have not once 
applied for a band grant, although next year I might.


Ronnie Swain
swain@scf.usc.edu
Trojans Rule!
From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:28:36 GMT
Organization: Systems Support Center, BCM
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In article <1992Dec14.181019.20140@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) wrote:
> 
> hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:
> 
> [Good stuff about Trojan Band deleted]
[other stuff...]
> Ummm...I can't name a drill that EITHER fucking school is famous for, I can
> however, say matter of factly that I've seen USC's marching band on such
> FAMOUS (that's the word we're working for, right?) features as "THE NAKED GUN" [more other stuff...]

You may have SEEN the U$C band but you HEARD the MOB (Marching Owl Band,
Rice U.)... check the credits.

bcnu - grungy (John Gladu) MOBster
Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine
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From: timm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Timm Knoerzer)
Subject: Re: Marching Bands
Keywords: Marching
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:31:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.060930.26295@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) writes:
>currybg@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian) writes:
>
>>To put it simply the Purdue AAMB rules!
>>In the band we march and swagger as we play for old Purdue
>>At the halftime we do shows no other band on earth could do
>>When we cheer the earth will tremble
>>For we're known throughout the land
>>As the best in marching music
>>We're the Boilermaker band!


Yeah right,  you can wake up from your dream now!!!!!!!

	Timm
From: dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:10:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Dec14.181019.20140
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:

[Good stuff about Trojan Band deleted]

>OK. Name one, just one, marching drill that the USC band is famous for.
>Now, name a marching drill that Ohio State is famous for.  Which do you
>think will be recognized by more people?
>We TBDBITL alumni can be arrogant, too.

Ummm...I can't name a drill that EITHER fucking school is famous for, I can
however, say matter of factly that I've seen USC's marching band on such
FAMOUS (that's the word we're working for, right?) features as "THE NAKED GUN",
"AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS", and don't they have a small pep band that
plays at Laker games at the Forum in Inglewood?

In contrast, I haven't seen Ohio State so much as wipe their asses on anything
famous.  I think USC has a better reason to be arrogant...
From: lazarus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Old H.S. Band Story...
Date: 14 Dec 1992 02:09:47 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
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Oooo... High school... here's a non-rivalry, non-marching marching
band story...

My freshman year with the Independence, KS High School band, we went
to Atlanta for the Peach Bowl (1984, I think).  We were in the same
hotel with at LEAST ten other bands... or so it seemed.  Never COULD
get an elevator when you wanted one.  

Well, one afternoon, somehow, myself and two others managed to catch
a lift that was empty.  We wanted to KEEP it that way (aside from us,
of course).  With no better ideas, one of the guys plops down on the
floor of the 'vator, crosses his legs and starts "meditating".  We
stopped at at least three different floors between ours (the 21st)
and the lobby... nobody would get on.  Hmm...

Bart -Laz- Smith
The 'Cat!
Trombones SLIIIIIIDE better!
From: timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: UCLA Rumor
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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Hey, I heard a rumor out there that the UCLA Band is planning on 
gradually phasing out their fight song "Sons of Westwood" (which 
in reality, is U.C. Berkeley's "Big C," permanently "borrowed" for 
40 years).  I would imagine that the plan is to commission someone to 
write another song to replace "Sons." 

This would not be anything new since their other fight song ("The Mighty 
Bruin") was composed as a commission by Bill Conti (who did the "Rocky" 
theme).

Can any current UCLA Bandsman confirm or deny this?

--Tim


-- 
Tim Castro		    *   "When the air becomes uranious
U.C. Berkeley               *    We will all go simultaneous
timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU      *    Yes we all will go together when we go." 
timc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU       *           --Tom Lehrer, 1958
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: UCLA Rumor
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:07:05
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: edson@cis.rand.org's message of 17 Dec 92 00:22:40 GMT

On 17 Dec 92 00:22:40 GMT, edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith) said:

> Sons of Westwood is still the song that most people associate with UCLA,
> and stolen or not, UCLA fans and alums consider it to be *the* fight song.

> As an aside, when Kelly James became the UCLA director (back in the 60's if
> I recall correctly), he brought the "Sons" tune with him from Cal, and made
> it the main fight song, replacing "By the Old Pacific".

The late Kelly James wrote "Sons of California" as a graduate student at Cal,
but did not copyright it. When he moved to UCLA, he re-wrote it as "Sons of
Westwood" and copyrighted it, thereby really annoying the Cal people!!! and
since it is copyrighted by UCLA the Cal people are SOL!!

--- Mindy Shaffer
    Alto Saxophone (yes, a WOODWIND player!!!)
    UCLA '78

(using Daniel's account -- DPF)
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From: mss2e@Virginia.EDU ("seilF eht fo droL, bubezleeB")
Subject: Re: Scatter bands/non-traditional bands
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:12:05 GMT

Greetings from the somewhat scenic foothills of Virginny!
	Great to hear from you cats.  My name's Mick Stone
-trombonist in Thhhhhhheeeee   Award
Winning Virginia Fighting Cavalier Indoor Ourdoor Precision
Marching Pep Band and Choder Society Review, Unlimited.
The only Pep Band in the world with the fresh minty scent Mom's
love.  Especially your mom.
	Gol, are we lonely out here.  None of those nasty
marching bands in our division will let us play at their schools anymore.  We
go to the beach and they kick sand in our faces.  And 'bout the
only time we hear from y'all is Xmas.
	We're run real simple like.  Two practices a week.  Two
show writing sessions a week.  Entirely student run, which
means no one is paid by the school to supervise us in any
manner whatsoever.  Penurous -we get about 20 g a year, which
aint didley.
	Here are some of my jokes from thi year...

	To show support for the referees of this evening's
game, the Pep Band has designed this special formation just for
them.  It says "Thanks"... in braille.
	(We played "Three BLind Mice" and had some blind refs
feeling around the band to see what we said.  {it actually said
"fuck"}  This went over
tremendously, because the refs had made some real shitass calls
first half)

	In a survey of college campuses, Virginia's
own University Journal was ranked the number one paper in the
nation.  Also receiving high marks were Charmin, White Cloud,
and Sani-wipe.
	(form:  toilet paper  Music:  Wipe out -yeah, I know it's trite, but it fit
(fat?) (fitted?)

	With the shake up expected in Washington, the Pep Band
suggests these retirement plans to George Bush:
	Stuff and mount Milly the White House Dog
	Sell crack in Lafayette Square
	Provide defense counsiling for his son Niel
	Replace Cliff on "Cheers"
	Become the spokesman for Hairclub for Men
Music: Joy to the World (Jerimiah was a Bullfrog) cut off half
way:
	Well, I used to be President, but now I'm a client


	We also do a "flash", where the announcer yells
"FLASH!" and we all freeze while he tells a one liner:

Flash! 	Don't drop acid...     try taking it pass fail!


Lookie -my address is mss2eVirginia.EDU
	Why don't you hepcats write me with some of your
favorite gags?  

	What's the worst trouble you have EVER gotten into?
(beside Spotted Owl)
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: KKPsi (was Re: greetings all)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:05:20 EDT
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In article <Bz5r7H.Br8@nic.umass.edu> (rec.arts.marching.misc), jthomson@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John A Thomson) writes:
>Yup!  :)  I'm a Brother from UMass/Amherst EN-KKPsi!  How are things out
>there/down there?  We just got dumped on with a TON of snow.  We'll still
>march, though.... :)

Snow?  What's that?

Niel - Iota chapter KKPsi

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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Marching Bands
Keywords: Marching
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:57:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.085433.8542@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
dkelly@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Dave Kelly) writes:
> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
> If you want entertainment, come watch the ISUCF"V"MB play some great music
and
> a drill that moves!
> 
> BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> 
> Gee, I wish I were in a band that swings their feet out and goes "Whoop,
> Whoop" all the time.
> 
> And I don't want to start a flame war, just because they get tiresome, but
> I will say that I like ISU's band better than some others which I won't
> mention *cough*WISCONSIN*cough*


The style of marching that you refer to is called the swing cadence and that's
it.  We only use it while coming of the field and going into the tunnel sequence
in pregame.  For those who don't know what I am talking about, the swing cadence
is a funky beat and when we march to it, we swing our feet from side to side
while moving forward.  The crowd really loves it and they really get off on the
"whoop whoops" and "arugah rugah" that we use as a vocal in the middle of it. 
If you have seen the movie "Dr. Detroit", I believe they do something smilar in
the is movie.

Happy Holidays and good luck on Finals!

Andy Combites
ISUCF"V"MB T-Bone
From: timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:27:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <jgladu-181292083738@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu)) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.003311@IASTATE.EDU>, knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H
>Combites) wrote:
>> 
>> I was just wondering what kind of credit you guys get for beibg in your >marching  bands.  
>
>No credit at Rice, only blame.

The Cal Band also offers no academic credit for its members.
No credit, no nothing.  It's a "student activity."

--Tim


-- 
Tim Castro		    *   "When the air becomes uranious
U.C. Berkeley               *    We will all go simultaneous
timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU      *    Yes we all will go together when we go." 
timc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU       *           --Tom Lehrer, 1958
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From: rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: UCLA fight songs
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:45:40 GMT

In article <14926@cis.rand.org>, edson@cis.rand.org (Edson Smith) writes:
|> On a separate topic, UCLA has 7-countem-7 fight songs (plus an Alma Mater) 
|> in current use.  Here's a list: 
|> 
|>            Sons of Westwood:  Discussed above
|>               Mighty Bruins:  Written by Bill "Rocky" Conti in the 1980's
|>          By the Old Pacific:  Traditional?  Anybody else play this?

My memory is fading, but I believe that Cal also plays this song sometimes.
I also seem to have a memory of someone telling me that a Cal person wrote it
for UCLA.  Anybody with a better memory care to comment on this?

|>          Strike up the Band:  Written for UCLA by George & Ira Gershwin
|>                   Sing UCLA:  No clues
|>          Team Hear Our Song:  The trio of Fillmore's Crosley March

Seemed like Gordy was phasing these last two out in the early-to-mid 80s.  Have
they made a comeback?

|>    Fight on Men of Westwood:  Was "Fight on Pennsylvania"
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: Re: Band Provided Housing
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:55:45 GMT

In article <69> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:

>We here at Cal have an old frat house which houses about
>30-40 male members of the Band (Male only since it only
>has communal showers).  The house is actually owned
>by a Board of Directors made up of Band alums who handle
>the rent and upkeep of the house.

Wow.  Sweet (although we have houses here with communal coed showers,
but then we're just a bunch of hippies anyway...

>I'm positive that this is not unique to Cal.  What other
>bands out there provide similar living situations?

Well, people occasionally will stay in the Band Shak for a few weeks
like before school starts, and go across the street to the gym to the
showers.  But you've seen the Shak.  Eww.  At least the rats and
silverfish are good company.

Scott
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