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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #247
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:46:41 GMT
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Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 14 Oct 92       Volume 10 : Issue 247

Today's Topics:

      [!] Info-Mac CD-ROM release
      ADA compiler for mac (A)
      AD Internal Compressor
      All for MSoft 5.0 Grammar checker?
      Announcement of AppleLink CD
      Chemistry and laboratory templates
      ColorKnit from Fibernet
      connecting a SUN or SGI CD-rom to a Mac (how?)
      Controlling file directories
      Diagram application ?
      DOS-INIT Possible Trojan (C)
      DOS-INIT possible Trojan??
      Douglas Professional System - weird conflict!!!
      FAQ's
      Filemaker Pro - can it compute "balances"?
      FileMaker Pro page break after subsummary part
      Gif's
      HC 2.1 Problem
      HD icon can't be modifed (answer: get /util/system7-unlock.hqx)
      IIf Printing Problem (DOS/NOVELL/MS WORKS)
      Info-Mac Digest V10 #245
      Internet tour stack
      Legal software for the Mac
      Macintosh memory (again...)
      MacTCP and Ethernet
      mac to mac contact
      Microsoft QuickBasic
      NetNews via AppleTalk
      Network server software solutions(HELP!!)
      New high-performance Apple CD drive
      Noisy fans
      Performa at Sears
      Selling Mac Plus (Q)
      Should I upgrade Excel... (C)
      Sick Mac SE/30
      SimScandal
      St-4 CCD Camera and Image Conversion
      The Namer
      TrueType/System 6
      TrueType Fonts... how to use (C)
      WAISstation
      Win 3.1 v. System 7
      Win 3.1 whiners
      WindowScript from Heizer Softwr

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Date: 13 Oct 92 19:36:11 EDT
From: Cliff Miller <71175.3152@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: [!] Info-Mac CD-ROM release

The Info-Mac CD-ROM that we posted about a couple months ago is finally
ready!
(For those of you who missed the original posting:  Cliff Miller and Joe
Novak, two CS grad students at the Univ of Utah, decided that putting the
Mac-Info on a quarterly CD-ROM would be a real service to the Mac community
and might provide a little extra funds for Info-Mac as well as for their own
(Cliff & Joe's) meager livelihood.  In the process, a small company has been
set up in the basement of Cliff's home to put together the CD and to take
orders.)

The CD-ROM contains all of the digests and many of the programs and other
files from the Info-Mac archive.  They were downloaded in August of 1992 and
the programs have been debinhexed/dearchived/decompressed, so that they are
ready to run.  All of the abstracts are also included along with the
programs.
 The CD-ROM preserves the basic structure of the original archive and it is in
HFS format, so it looks and behaves like a large Mac directory, as it should!
For those of you who like to look back over the digests, this should provide a
much more convinient way to search for discussions on various topics.

In putting files on the CD-ROM we have done our best to check through all of
the files for copyright restrictions.  In cases where there appeared to be
restrictions, we tried to contact the author for permission.  In over 95% of
the cases in which we received a message from the author, the answer was very
positive.  There were several files, however, that contain copyrighted
material from movies, soundtracks or other sources, so we had to leave those
off.  The upshot of all this is that about 3/4 of all of the files on Info-Mac
are included on the CD.  In future issues, as the CD-ROM becomes better known,
we hope that the number of programs will grow.

We have included a file on the CD-ROM indicating which files are on the CD and
which files are not on it (but are/were on the Info-Mac archive at
sumex-aim).
Unfortunately, by mistake this file contains some bogus filenames labelled as
eing in an "unknown" directory -- these files are not on the CD-ROM.  Please
also notice that the file names correspond to the original file names as
contained in the sumex-aim Info-Mac archive, and do not necessarily match the
uncompressed versions that are on the CD-ROM.  We are sorry about any
confusion this may create.

There were several excellent suggestions from people on the net, and we hope
to implement some of them in future (quarterly) issues.  Thank you all for the
encouragement, suggestions and help!  Most of all, thanks to the moderator of
Info-Mac, Bill Lipa, for the good ideas and the support!  (Let me once again
point out that neither he nor sumex-aim is legally responsible for the
CD-ROM.)  Further comments and suggestions by all will continue to be much
appreciated.

Cliff & Joe

  --- Ordering Info ---

  CD Price:     $39.95
  Shipping & H: $5.00

  VISA/MC or money orders OK

  Phone for orders:     800-765-8369
  Phone for inquiries:  801-278-2042
  Fax:                  801-278-2666

  Address:      Pacific HiTech
		4760 Highland Dr, Suite 204
		Salt Lake City, Utah 84117-5009

  Email:        CompuServe: 71175,3152

  When ordering by email, please send us the following info:

	Your name
	address
	phone number
	VISA/MC number & exp date

If you are an author of a program on the CD, you get a free disk. (We've also
decided to not charge authors for shipping and handling.)  Contact us with the
following information:
	1) your name,
	2) the name of your program, and
	3) the address where we should send the CD.

Please use our toll-free 800 number for orders only -- we're still students
and the company is of limited means.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 9:57:53 EDT
From: "Kelly T. Kirk" <kirk@BRL.MIL>
Subject: ADA compiler for mac (A)

>        I am looking for an ADA compiler for Macintosh, either commercial or
>PD/shareware. In case you are wondering why would I need an ADA compiler for
>Mac, is for a girlfriend of mine who has to take an ADA course (no choice!).
>Anyone has ever heard of such a thing?
>
>        Thanks, Fabio Favata
>
>               ffavata@estsa2.estec.esa.nl


	Meridian Software System INC. make OpenAda for the Macintosh and PC.
Here some features and technical specifications on OpenAda for the Macintosh.

	- Requirements: Mac SE, Mac II or Mac Plus, Finder Version 6.1 or
	  higher, 2MB RAM, 5MB hard disk space.

	- Fully Validated Ada Compiler (ACVC Version 1.11)

	- Linker

	- Macintosh Environment Library (MEL) which provides a binding to the
	  operating system and applications such as Mac Toolbox

	- Ada specific source level debugger

	- High-level optimizer

	- Macintosh Programmers Workshop (MPW 3.2) provides Apple Computer's
	  software development environment for the macintosh including
		- Quick Draw graphics operations
		- Amake
		- Spelling checker
		- Power user scripting language
		- Multi-windowed text editor and command interpreter
		- Multi-user source code control system

	- Utility library

	- Concise, easy-to-follow, complete User Documentation

	- Software floating point and 68881 hardware floating point supported

	- OPTIONAL MPW complete documentation set ($50)

	- OPTIONAL MIL-STD 1815A Ada Language Reference Manual


 The price is $129 plus $12 for UPS shipping and handling.
 To order call 800-221-2522, ext. 224

 Address:  Meridian
	   Software System INC
	   10 Pasteur Street
	   Irvine, CA 92718

P.S.  So far I am very please with this compiler. I use it on my Mac IIcx
      running System 7.0.1.


Kelly

INTERNET: kirk@BRL.MIL.
Disclaimer: These are my opinions only.

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:53:09 PDT
From: ace@tidbits.com (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: AD Internal Compressor

In Regards to your letter <199210122350.AA06430@nwnexus.wa.com>:
> AD internal compressor is supposed to create files that will work just like
> the uncompressed version. It is true for the most part but I have found
> that any internally compressed Control Panel will crash if used when the
> Mac is restarted with all extensions off (shift key). I have not been able
> to find out what is required for proper function but the requirements seem
> complex. I called 5th Generation but the tech support person was unaware of
> the problem.
> This problem aside, I think this is a great utility that justifies the
> price of the upgrade.
>
>                                                       Martin Josso

This doesn't happen on my machine. Have you tried expanding your control
panels and compressing them again?

cheers ... -Adam

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 8:29:35 EDT
From: James BelBruno (GC-CDSI) <belbruno@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: All for MSoft 5.0 Grammar checker?

Happy Wednesday!
  I inputted this message a few days ago so sorry for those who don't
like repeats.  But I commented on how I thought the grammar checker
on Microsoft 5.0 was pretty poor.  I have used Grammatik (forgot version#)
in the pc world and thought it was pretty decent.  What do any of you think
about Msoft's G. checker?  Some fine chap said I should learn proper
english to write more properly.  Da....maybee hees rite?  The point
I am interested in finding a decent Checker, not taking writing classes.
What are thought...advice..opinions....etc as per this grammar farce?
Jim BelBruno

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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 12:26:14 EST
From: thomas@camino.mic.cl (Thomas Fruin)
Subject: Announcement of AppleLink CD

Found the following announcement on AppleLink...

-- Thomas Fruin

____________________________
Apple Announces AppleLink CD

New CD-ROM Product Brings Valuable Information to Macintosh Users
for a Single Annual Fee

CUPERTINO, California--October 7, 1992--Apple Computer, Inc. today
announced AppleLink CD, an information resource product on CD-ROM.
AppleLink CD delivers regular editions of Apple and third party
product and support information for a single annual subscription fee.
    AppleLink CD offers Macintosh computer users access to a wealth of
information previously available only through AppleLink, Apple's
global electronic communications and information service.  Unlike
most on-line services, however, the new product requires no modems,
special phone lines, or extra software.  With only a Macintosh
personal computer and a Macintosh-compatible CD-ROM drive, users can
explore technical, product, program, and special interest information
without time or cost limitations.
    "AppleLink CD helps to create an information rich computing
environment for Macintosh users," said Peter Friedman, director of
Apple Online Services.  "AppleLink CD will bring together much of the
high quality information from Apple and third parties that's behind
AppleLink--essentially making it the easiest and most cost effective
way to access AppleLink information without actually going on-line."
    The familiar Macintosh interface, combined with an on-line help
feature, makes AppleLink CD easy to setup, learn and use.  And the
yearly one-time fee means users don't have to worry about cost or
time limitations as they would if they were accessing the information
on-line.  The multi-user version of AppleLink CD will allow
additional users to access the information as a shared volume on an
AppleTalk network.

Information Content
    Each edition of AppleLink CD will include an extensive technical
information librarythe same one used by Apple's own technical
support staffas well as product data, public articles, and
documentation for solutions to hardware and software problems.  Also
included on the CD will be descriptions of Apple products, and
technical, marketing, and support materials from more than 400
Macintosh-compatible hardware and software manufacturers.
    A special Software Sampler section will contain 15MB of Apple
software updates as well as free software and shareware for the
Macintosh.  Users will be able to download free software
demonstrations and review new software programs.
    In addition, the special interest areas will allow users to browse
numerous bulletin board conferences from the extensive AppleLink on-
line discussion areas or investigate specific topic areas such as K-
12 education, multimedia, enterprise computing, and design &
publishing.
    AppleLink CD is produced by Apple's information services unit, Apple
Online Services (AOS). Other Apple Online Services products include
AppleLink, Apple's global on-line professional service.  Introduced
in 1985 to enhance communication between Apple Computer, its business
partners and customers, AppleLink today includes over 50,000
subscribers in the worldwide Apple Community in 55 countries.

System Configuration
    AppleLink CD requires a Macintosh computer running System 6.0.7 or
later and a Macintosh-compatible CD-ROM drive.  4MB (RAM) random
access memory is required.


Price and Availability
    AppleLink CD will be available worldwide in January 1993.  Initially,
AppleLink CD will be available through an annual subscription for
four quarterly editions; other options may become available in the
future.  Pricing and availability will vary by country.
    In the U.S., a one year subscritpion, which includes four quarterly
editions, is available in a single-user version for $299 or a mutli-
user version for $649.  Please check with your Apple representative
or in the United States, call the Apple Online Services HelpLine at
408-974-3309 for more information or to order (after January 1,
1993).  A special evaluation version of AppleLink CD is available
through a limited offer in the U.S. by calling 408-974-3309.

Contact:
Lynda Lucero
Apple Computer, Inc.
(408) 974-7899

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:40:48 -0400
From: Sylvain Robert <Sylvain_Robert@UQTR.UQuebec.CA>
Subject: Chemistry and laboratory templates

Subject: Chemical and laboratory templates

Does anybody knows where to find drawing templates for chemistry laboratories
representing glassware (beaker, erlenmeyer, distillation flasks, ...) or
ironware (burners, electrodes, ...) in any macintosh graphic format (bitmap,
PICT, EPS, ...) that can be manipulated to construct graphical representation
of laboratory set-up?

Thanks!

Sylvain Robert
Pulp and Paper Research Center
University of Quebec at Trois-Rivieres

sylvain_robert@uqtr.uquebec.ca

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Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:59 -0700 (MST)
From: FEDORICK@bitsy.gmcc.ab.ca
Subject: ColorKnit from Fibernet

Does anyone have local access to Fibernet (218)-583-4337 ?
There is a very good freeware program for creating knitting patterns on that
BBS.  "ColorKnit" for those with colour Macs, and a B&W version for us lesser
mortals.
Some of us would be very grateful to anyone who could move a copy of the B&W
version to sumex-aim.



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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:50:19 +0100
From: wim@fss.fokker.nl (Wim Elhorst)
Subject: connecting a SUN or SGI CD-rom to a Mac (how?)

We own *external* cd-rom players from SUN (with funny connectors) and
Silicon Graphics. Did anybody experiment with connecting any of these to a
macintosh ?
If you did, where did you get the drivers for it ?
I'd like to know whether this might be succesful before purchasing cables.
Thanks in advance.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:43:18 GMT
From: dann@stein.u.washington.edu (Daniel Neuman)
Subject: Controlling file directories

Can anyone tell me how to assign a specific folder (or directory) for the
standard getfile dialog, so that when the dialog box opens it offers a
programmer's specified folder as the default folder.

You can e-mail me at dann@u.washington.edu

Daniel Neuman

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:45:07 +0000
From: R.B.Nonnecke@open.ac.uk
Subject: Diagram application ?

I need to create some diagrams of objects with linking lines.  The objects
need to be of different shapes (circles, polygons, i.e. drawn objects with
or without text) and the lines should be sticky and editable in width,
curve, direction of arrows, and colour.  The objects should be explodable,
to allow access to other levels in the diagram.  I do NOT want a
specialized tool for DFD and ERD creation, but need a more general
diagramming tool.  If anyone has used "Diagram" on the NeXT you will know
roughly what I am talking about.

I know there is a commercial product out there but am having a difficult
time tracking it down.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:32:15 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: DOS-INIT Possible Trojan (C)

I wouldn't go so far as calling DOS-INIT a Trojan Horse. Not without
a lot more data than we've seen.

On the basis of recent postings on the subject, I could call Apple's
ProDOS File System a Trojan Horse. It does purely kill DOS Mounter and
forbids access to my DaynaFile.

It's just a conflict.

Let's not go goofy, folks.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:38 EDT
From: Byron.Mayes@MVS.UDEL.EDU
Subject: DOS-INIT possible Trojan??

>commercial counterparts.  it seems that every conflict reported has to do
>with Mac<-->PC applications such as SoftPC, Apple file Ex, ktl..

I'm sure some of the more touchy net readers will consider this a really dumb
question, but why would someone who owns a legitimate copy of SoftPC (which
comes with AccessPC, right?) or any of the other commercial DOS-to-Mac
utilities (DOS Mounter, RunPC, PCExchange) even feel the need to use a free
hack like the DOS-INIT anyway?  He's already paid good money for a product
that does the same thing in perhaps a more elegant fashion and comes with a
level of support.

For that matter, why would one even want two of the commercial utilities
trying to do the same thing at the same time?  I'm sure the better-written
applications may cause less conflict amongst themselves than a known hack, but
the potential for disaster naturally increases (even if just a bit) and it
just doesn't seem necessary:  sort of like trying to ride two bicycles.

Also, speaking purley as one who likes to be cautious without fanning
hysteria, I don't think that conflicts with similar applications are grounds
for immediately applying the label "Trojan Horse".  The DOS-INIT is a "hack".
It may be very well written or it may have been very poorly thrown together.
The scant documentation that comes with it does say that it's intended to be a
free alternative to the commercial options available (presumably on the notion
that such basic functionality should be free anyway).  If it only conflicts
with appls that try to do the same thing, it may just be the result of trying
to get the same results in a less elegant (or at least different) manner.  It
may just be the result of bad programming.

The "docs" also say that the INIT has only been tested on an Outbound system.
Has anyone out there using an Outbound had any problems?

Let's be cautious without getting hysterical.  If you don't trust the DOS-INIT
(or any other hack out there), don't use it.  If you have problems with it,
report them thoroughly, but don't jump to unnecessarily dire conclusions.
Senseless panic won't help win the virus war.

Byron @ U of D
Hoping the DOS-INIT author is reading the net and will come forward to defend
him-/herself.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92  11:46 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <RTL%SIVA.BRISTOL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Douglas Professional System - weird conflict!!!

This is a really strange conflict I'm reporting, and I'd like to know if
anyone else has experienced the bug and might have a workaround.
We are running the Douglas Professional System package for CAD work on a
Mac IIfx.  We have finally upgraded the Mac to System 7, and we noticed
that one application in the Douglas package, the circuit-layout program
Design Works version 2.5.5, would hang when starting up.  The program
would load some initialisation files and then freeze before opening its
first window.
We did the usual laborious detective work on our INITs using Extensions
Manager, and in the end, we pinned the problem down to a surprising thing:
the Tune-Up!  With Tune-Up 1.1.1 inited, Design Works hangs. Without it,
no problem.
Of course it may be something other than the Tune-Up which is really at
fault, and the Tune-Up's presence may just be activating the problem INIT.
Our IIfx is also running DEC Pathworks and has a 19" Supermac monitor with
appropriate graphics accelerator card and software.
Comments from other Douglas users would be appreciated.  We'll try to get
a bug report to Douglas as well

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:58:45 +0800
From: rcjpjrv@uxmail.ust.hk (Rick Jarvis)
Subject: FAQ's

I was quite interested in some of the implications of the posting of the
FAQ for comp.sys.mac.comm in Digest #245. Is there a centralized depository
of such FAQ's? If not, might it be possible to start one at Sumex?
(Especially now that the disk space is soon to increase. :) My own personal
thanks to all who contributed.)

Rick Jarvis, Hong Kong Univ Sci & Tech, rcjpjrv@uxmail.ust.hk

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:47:22 -0600 (PDT)
From: Irving Wiswall <irvw@LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: Filemaker Pro - can it compute "balances"?

I'd like to get Filemaker Pro to compute "balances".  My particular
application is account keeping.  I want to record purchases and compute
the balance left in the account.  I know, this would better be
accomplished in a spreadsheet or an accounting package, but I'd like to do
it in Filemaker Pro anyway.  But I can't figure out how to do it.  Can
anyone offer any help?

-Irv Wiswall

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:42:41 -0400
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Subject: FileMaker Pro page break after subsummary part

In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:

>  Exercise books                   ; subsummary by book type leading
>----page edge-----------------------------------------------------
>    Applebaum, Samuel             ; subsummary by composers leading
>      Orchestral bowing etudes    ; body


>The problem is that I wan't the leading subsummary 'Exercise books' to
>go on the next page with the body to which it belongs.  I have checked
>the 'Do not break page part across page boundary'.
>Any suggestions?

    Unfortunately, there is no solution. It would be very nice if there
was a check box or something that allowed you to perform something
of a link between the parts so that they always appear on the same page,
but this just isn't an option in FM Pro. And I'm almost positive that
this isn't an option in the 2.0 version either. I have yet to find a way
to handle this problem, it is just something that happens when you have
a multi-page report with a large number of sub-summary parts.
    As for using the Do not break part across page boundry, what that
will do is not allow a large part to have pieces on 2 different pages.
It will move the entire part to the following page.

-Hades

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:04 EDT
From: LEARYJ%SNYCORVA.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Gif's

I've been having trouble downloading gif's from diffrent sites
(uwp.cs.edu) in particular.  I get the file in my directory then
procede to use kermit to d/l most of the time my applications (gif
convertor, cybergif) will tell me that the file is corrupt and tomake
sure I use binary d/l method.  What am I doing wrong?

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Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:55:13EST
From: "Jeff Kline"  <egkline@befac.indstate.edu>
Subject: HC 2.1 Problem

I have been developing a stack in HC 2.1 and having some problems.
The stack is designed to process input from research databases like
PsychLit. It is designed to take the information on journal articles
available, read the data into a card and then allow me to sort
cards, manipulate them and print output (eventually generate
references for my dissertation).

The problem is that I have gotten most of the input, and
manipulation features finished and working. When I sat down to do
the importing (this is a script that i wrote about 4 weeks ago, and
had done just some minor editing since then, but I have not run it
since I originally imported some data). I activated the script, It
prompted for a file name (text) and I used the dialog box, it found
the file, appeared to open it, then just stopped when it was getting
ready to branch to a subset of the procesing code (another handler).
I got no dialog box indicating an error, i received no error
messages of any kind, It just stopped. When I used the Debugger it
did the same thing, just stopped like the script was ending (the
stopping point was right as it got to the line which indicated the
other handler where it was supposed to go).  The point that it was
stopping was a call to another handler. The message handler dialog
box did not indicate that the handler was actually called. (I
traditionally break up my scripts into small components so that none
of the handlers gets to be much over 30 lines.)

There should be no memory problems (the text file was only 10k) I
had HC set at 1.2 megs of memory. I am running on a Mac SE with 4
megs ram, system 7.0 (tuned 1.1.1), various inits including
soundMaster, speedyFinder, etc. I have been working witht hese inits
for a few weeks (many longer) and HC has had no apparent trouble.

One possibility that may be the culprit is that the text file may be
corrupted some how (even though WP can open and manipulate the file
fine.

One other piece of info. I decided to use MacTools Deluxe (2.0) to
see if the Stack had some form of damage that was noticeable. None
was found, but I did notice something interesting when i examined
the Hex level of the file with the Disk editor. I was able to
identify the text for all of my scripts in this stack in the Hex
window. The only one that I could not identify the complete script
was the Stack script (where my problem child is located). When i was
looking at the Stack script in the text portion of the Hex editor, I
could see the beginnings of the stack script but the rest appeared
to be the garbage, random ssortment of characters and spaces. I
thought this might be dignificant. I made copies of the stack,
erased the Stack script, compacted, and rebuilt the stack script by
copying it from a WP. No luck.

I would appreciate any suggestions. This has happened before, but
appeared to be related to memory, and that should not be an issue
now.

Jeff Kline
egkline @ befac.indstate.edu

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:45 GMT+1
From: "HEWAT@FRILL.BITNET FAX FRANCE(33) 76-48-39-06 TEL 76-20-72-13 OR (-26)"
<HEWAT%FRILL.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: HD icon can't be modifed (answer: get /util/system7-unlock.hqx)

>The HD icon on our Mac IIx (7.01 tuned) appears as a generic document.
>The name can't be modified in the finder, and you can't do a "Get Info"
>on it either.

A common problem. Get /util/system7-unlock.hqx from info-mac.

Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, France (hewat@frill.bitnet)

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:19 EST
From: "Russell Aminzade: Trinity College of VT"
<AMINZADE%UVMVAX.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: IIf Printing Problem (DOS/NOVELL/MS WORKS)

Hokay, this isn't really a Macintosh problem, it's probably a
NetWare problem, but it's at least in part an Apple Laserwriter
problem, and maybe someone can help, since the folks from
Microsoft tech support have given up on me.  Mac lovers, thanks
for your patience.

We've a Novell netware network, with MS-Works (for the PC) loaded
on the server.  We print by using Novell's CAPTURE command.  It
works fine for non-laser printers.  It works fine for laser
printers in every application except MS-Works (i.e. old-fashioned
Quattro).  I've got MSofts printer driver for the "Apple
Laserwriter."  We've got a LaserWriter IIf, and I'm wondering if
their PSCRIPT.INI file (this looks like a PS header file) isn't
working.

Better yet, anybody out there successfully printing to a
LaserWriter IIf using Capture from MS-Works DOS?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:41:34 EDT
From: Laird Popkin <laird@Think.COM>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #245

   Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 13:16:51 EDT
   From: Scott Kaplan <sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu>
   Subject: 24-bit addressing and virtual memory.

   In info-mac #243 (I think), apgar@apple.com writes:
   No, no, no... 24 bit addressing can access 2^24 which is 16 Megs.
   Take away 2 Megs for ROM and I/O and take away one Meg for video (most
   people
   use the on-booard video or a video card), thus if you have 10 or 12
   Megs or RAM and you are in 24 bit addressing, you can set VM to 13 Megs.
   As long as you have no other NuBus cards that take away a Meg...
   -----
   Okay, yes, I realized that 2^24 is 16 megs...Although thanks for the
   explination
   of where some of those addresses go and what they're used for...I never
   knew
   that.  But still, the limit the system puts on memory addressing, from
   every
   account I've seen, is 8 megs with the 24-bit addresses going.  If in fact
   (I
   haven't tried myself) 13 megs should be addressed with virutal without
   going
   to
   32-bit addresses, then I have two questions:
   1) Why can virtual address that much, but with straight RAM the system
   stops
   at
      8 megs?
   2) The original question that started this needs a new answer.  Whoever it
   was
      (sorry, can't remember) that started this found that his memory control
      panel would not let him set virtual to more than 8 megs...when he had
      more
      than that in the machine.  Something's strange about that, or I'm
      missing
      something.

   Scott Kaplan
   sfkaplan@cs.amherst.edu

The situation is a little more complex, actually.  Of the 16 megabytes of
address space implemented in 24-bit memory, 8 megabytes of address space is
allocated to system RAM, and 8 megabytes of address space is allocated to
the nuBus slots, with 1 megabyte allocated to each slot.

The Mac OS' 24-bit memory manager will only address the regular 8 megabytes
of system memory.

Connectix, a memory-wise third party company, makes several memory-related
programs.  One extends the 24-bit memory manager to allow you to use
additional RAM in your computer by making it appear to be in unused nuBus
slots, within the 24-bit address space.  Another program can also use disk
space to make your computer appear to have more (virtual) RAM.  They also
make a 32-bit memory manager for the Mac's that don't have the 32-bit
memory manager in ROM (e.g. the original Mac II).

Apple's 32-bit memory manager allows you to access as much RAM as you can
physically put into your Mac (in SIMM sockets!).  Apple's Virtual Memory
allows you to use more disk space as virtual RAM.

So in a Mac (with an '030 or better) with 16 Mb RAM and a single nuBus card
(display), your memory could be:

Using straight 24-bit memory manager: 8 Mb of RAM used, the rest ignored.

Using Connectix' software to map RAM to into unused nuBus address space,
you could have 13 Mb of RAM.

Using the 32-bit memory manager, either from Apple or Connectix, you can
access all 16 Mb of RAM, and more if you had it.

Using either virtual memory, you can use a 32-bit memory manager to access
as much free space as you have on your disk as if it were RAM.  For
example, if you had only 8 Mb of free disk space, you could only have 8 Mb
of virtual RAM, so if you already had 8 Mb of real RAM you couldn't use
virtual memory to expand it.  While I haven't tried it, if you turned on
virtual memory and only had, say, 4 Mb of disk space free, you should only
end up with 4 Mb of virtual memory, even though you might have more real
RAM installed -- you're better off using the real RAM than the little disk
space you have available.  On the other hand, if you had 50 Mb of free disk
space, you could have your computer set up 50 megabytes of virtual memory.
Keep in mind though that swapping virtual memory to and from disk is much
slower than using real RAM.  IMHO VM is nice to have available, and
occasionally useful, but it's overrated now that RAM prices have dropped.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 9:50:34 MDT
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca
Subject: Internet tour stack

A few days ago someone posted info about how to obtain the
internet-tour stack from the site nnsc.nsf.net. After repeated
attempts and "data connection timed out" messages, I finally gave
up. Does anyone know the sys-ops internet address at that
location? Or, could someone give the exact name and location of
the file(s) in the directory at the location? Simply stating that
"/internet-tour can be found at nnsc.nsf.net" is not good enough.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:38:37 EDT
From: bkobleur@aol.com
Subject: Legal software for the Mac

Hi netters!  I'm looking for legal software for the Mac for our legal
department.  I know there are two biggies out there, one called Lexis (sp?)
and another called, I believe, WesLaw?

Can anyone point me towards how to get in touch with these people?

Thanks!
:-)
bkobleur@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:14:18 EDT
From: Matthew B Cravit <cravitma@student.msu.edu>
Subject: Macintosh memory (again...)

Larry Rosenstein wrote:

>> ...The VM system in 24-bit mode should allow you to use parts of the
>> address space assigned to empty NuBus slots...
[Stuff Deleted]
>> You have to subtract 1MB for the ROM and 1MB for each occupied
>> NuBus slot.

I don't think that that's quite correct.  The system assigns (from what I can
tell) 1MB to each possible NuBus slot, whether it is occupied or not, and
in fact whether it exists or not.  24-bit addressing on, say a IIci, produces
the same memory limit as it does on a IIfx, even though the IIci has less
NuBus
slots than the IIfx.

So, can any of the techies from Apple finally put this to rest?  Since I'm a
student and am unable to afford a copy of Inside Macintosh, Designing NuBus
Cards... etc., I look to someone else to finally settle this.

By the way, to everyone who corrected my math (2^24) etc, I want to take this
time to say "Sorry!" and offer two excuses:

 1.  I did not have a calculator handy.  (Connecting from a Mac with a VERY
minimal system, no DA's, etc.)

2.  I'm not a math or computer science major. <*grin*>

Matthew Cravit
cravitma@student.msu.edu
Michigan State University   East Lansing, Michigan

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:16:55 -0800
From: Scott Allen Gruby <sgruby@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>
Subject: MacTCP and Ethernet

I just started working in my school's computing services department, and I
have come across a problem that I am having trouble fixing. I am very new
to ethernet, TCP, etc., so please excuse my ignorance on this subject.

Here is the problem. We have 2 Mac labs, one with 15 Mac IIsi's all with
ethernet cards that all seem to work fine. The other lab has 12 Mac IIci's
all with ethernet cards also. The problem is that sometimes some of the
machines will not let us open a NCSA Telnet (or other MacTCP based program)
session for various mainframes around campus. What happens is that the
connection opens up and then immediately closes. We can connect to other
machines without any problems, but just certain ones it has problems on.
This is an intermittent problem and MacTCP along with the other files
associated with it have been replaced and the problem doesn't go away. If
we come back to the machine the next day, it may work fine.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how we may be able to track down the
problem or fix it? (We are running MacTCP 1.1-not the latest version, but
that shouldn't matter.)

Please respond via email since this is an isolated problem.

Thanks.

Scott Gruby
sgruby@jarthur.claremont.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:55:28 CDT
From: "Eric H. Durbrow" <C509393@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: mac to mac contact

Problem: user wants to connect mac with superdrive to mac without. one is
an SE the other, I think, is a plus. Would appreciate advice. SCSI cable?
LocalTalk? AppleTalk? Simpliest way? THANKS IN ADVANCE. Eric.

------------------------------

Date: 14 Oct 92 14:02:51 GMT
From: JEAN-PIERRE.JPG@univ-perp.fr
Subject: Microsoft QuickBasic

I am sick of struggling with Microsoft Quickbasic (v1.0) which is not system 7
compatible and have heard no word about an upgrade. I can't believe that
Microsoft does not care to provide its customers with a decent version of this
program.
Could someone recommend a good and reasonably priced basic program?

Thanks in advance.
Jean-Pierre Gattuso - JPG@UNIV-PERP.FR  (preferred) or JPG@FRPERP51.BITNET

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:27:56 PDT
From: Harvey Lewis Jr. High <lewis@CERF.NET>
Subject: NetNews via AppleTalk

Does anyone know of a program that would run on a computer that is
connected via IP to a NNTP server and would serve USENET news to clients
over AppleTalk (preferably) or IP (OK...)?

Please respond directly to my e-mail address.

Jeff
(Jeff Mealiffe, San Diego City Schools)
lewis@cerf.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:53:21 GMT
From: sandall@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dwayne Sandall)
Subject: Network server software solutions(HELP!!)

	We need help. Right now we are running a network of about 30 - 40
	Macs, ranging from
Plus's to Quadras, all being fed by a IIfx server, which is currently running
Waterloo
MacJANET server software. The problem is that janet has been highly unreliable
since we
added the extra load this year. Last year it worked relatively fine on about 8
machines.

	If anyone knows of a network solution that has the following features,
	comments
would be appreciated:
	1. Printer logging, and the ability to hide the printer from the rest
	of the world
through a spooler that requires you to be logged on;
	2. User logs and activity reports;
	3. Ability to set access quotas and encrypt software.

	Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, since we are
	spending more
time re-booting the server than anything else.
--
	Dwayne Sandall,
		Faculty of Architecture,
			University of Manitoba
				sandall@ccu.umanitoba.ca

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 12:27:48 EST
From: thomas@camino.mic.cl (Thomas Fruin)
Subject: New high-performance Apple CD drive

Found the following announcement on AppleLink...

-- Thomas Fruin

___________________________________________
Apple Unveils High-Performance CD-ROM Drive

CUPERTINO, California--October 7, 1992--To further enhance the
multimedia capabilities of it's Macintosh computer family, Apple
Computer, Inc. today introduced a new CD-ROM drive, the new AppleCD
300.  Available in both external and internal versions, the CD 300 is
two times faster than most CD-ROM drives, has a choice of operating
speeds, and supports new CD-ROM formats, including Kodak Photo CD.
Taken together, these features make the CD 300 the highest
performance, most feature-rich Macintosh CD-ROM drive on the market
today.
    "Nearly 10% of all Macintosh users have purchased CD-ROM drives.  We
believe the interactive CD technology that's on the horizon will
create even more demand," said Eric Harslem, vice president of
desktop computing, Macintosh hardware division.  "But these new
technologies require a high-performance drive.  The CD 300 has the
speed and power users want today and the built-in capability to
support the very exciting titles that we anticipate in the future."
    The AppleCD 300 is designed to transfer data up to twice as fast as
most CD-ROM drives and is equipped with a large 256K data buffer.
This kind of superior performance allows users to efficiently access
very large files, such as high-quality video and animation faster
than is currently possible.
    The AppleCD 300 has a unique speed select switch that allows the user
to choose either single- or double-speed mode.  This  feature is
designed to give users compatibility with the widest range of
available CD titles.
    The CD 300 can also read multi-session Kodak Photo CD discs, a
feature not found on most CD-ROM drives.  A Photo CD image is a
digitized version of a 35 MM photograph that a user can open and view
on the Macintosh computer screen.  A multi-session Photo CD disc
allows additional photographic images to be added to images already
on it.  With the AppleCD 300 and a Macintosh computer running Apple
Computer's QuickTime multimedia architecture, a user can easily
access these high-quality images, copy and save them, cut and paste
into documents, and also edit them using Macintosh graphics
applications.
    The CD 300 also supports several new CD formats, including CD+G and
CD+MIDI.  These new formats allow CD developers to better integrate
audio, text and graphics.  The CD+MIDI format, for example, will
allow professional and amateur musicians to more easily use MIDI-
synthesized music in a CD title.  Apple believes its support for
these new formats will spur development of titles and in turn provide
customers with richer and more diverse CD-ROM titles.
    To introduce new CD 300 users to the array of information available
on CD, Apple will ship a collection of 8 to 10 CD-ROM titles with the
drive.  These will include: Alice to Ocean, by Rick Smolan; Mozart:
String Quartet in C Major, by The Voyager Company; Cinderella, by
Discis Knowledge Research; Nautilus, by Metatec/Discovery Systems;
Photo CD Sampler, by Eastman Kodak Company, and The Chronicles and
Collections CD, by Apple.
    An internal version, called the CD 300i, will also be available as a
dealer-installable option for Macintosh computers with an available
5.25-in. drive bay.  A separate CPU installation kit will be
required.  A new version of CD-Setup software (version 4.0.1) ships
with the CD 300 and all internal upgrade kits.  It also supports all
other CD-ROM drives from Apple.
    Apple will continue to market the AppleCD 150 for users who want a
cost-effective method of accessing CD titles but don't need all of
the features of the CD 300.


Pricing, Availability and Distribution
    The AppleCD 300 will be available in December 1992 and the 300i
Internal Drive Upgrade Kit will be available in January 1993 through
authorized Apple resellers.  All AppleCD 300 drives carry a one-year
limited warranty.  Pricing, availability and distribution will vary
by country.


Product                              MSRP           Availability

AppleCD 300                         $599.00         December 1992
AppleCD 300i Internal Upgrade Kit   $499.00         January 1993
(Includes installation kit)


Contact:
Pat Kinley
Apple Computer, Inc.
(408) 974-2589

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:28 IST
From: Michael Green <SOUGD%HUJIVM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Noisy fans

After all the talk about the noisy HDI fans - a friend of mine just got his
Quadra 950 and, above the noise of the gloating, the fan is horribly loud.
Anyone know of a solution/relacement? Should we start shouting at Apple?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:28:44 -0400
From: olive@apxtg03.apex.dg.com (Rocky Olive)
Subject: Performa at Sears

I was in Sears on Monday night and saw the Mac Performa 200 and 400.
I thought the prices were pretty good, but I don't have a lot to say
about the EasyFinder (or whatever it's called).  For those of you who
don't know, the new Finder for the Performas is a very simple version
of the Finder (ie. single-click launching, simpler menus, etc).  Amusing,
but simple.

I would report the prices, but I forgot, since I was shopping for a
refrigerator at the time.

Rocky Olive <olive@apex.dg.com>
Data General Corporation
Apex, NC  27502

------------------------------

Date: 14 Oct 92 12:10:07 U
From: "LT B Wright" <lt_brian_wright@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Selling Mac Plus (Q)

		       Subject:                               Time:12:03
  OFFICE MEMO          Selling Mac Plus (Q)                   Date:10/14/92
I have a Mac Plus (actually a Mac 128 upgraded to a Plus) that I am trying to
sell after purchasing a Mac IIsi.  The Mac Plus has 4Mb of RAM, a single 800k
floppy, and a SCSI port.

I contacted some of the companies in the back of MacWeek that advertise they
buy used Macs.  I was told by one today that will not buy my Mac because it is
not a true Plus (I thought they were functionally equivalent).  Does anyone
know of a company that will buy my old Mac?  Is anyone on the net interested
in
buying it?

Please contact me directly regarding this.

Brian Wright
wright@dcseq.uscga.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:36:34 +0100
From: "CHRISTIAN F. BUSER" <cbuser@pegasus.ch>
Subject: Should I upgrade Excel... (C)

chai@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>Now that I'm at UIUC I need to buy myself a decent  spreadsheet...
>not sure if I should upgrade my old copy of Excel or go with someone
>else.
>I don't really need super-dooper capabilities -- in fact the old Excel
>1.0 would be fine if it wouldn't crash my IIx running 32bits & Sys7 8-)
>I just use it to add columns of figures, and balance my checkbook.

Since  you've  already  set-up  all  the  formulas etc. for your task, why
should you want to  do it again on  another platform like HyperCard?  With
all current spreadsheet programs you can import data from Excel; maybe you
need to save them first as SYLK or DIF format (not TEXT format, since this
does not save formulas, only values).

I for myself used Excel until version 2.2 or so (don't know exactly  which
figure was  beyond the  dot), and  then wanted  to upgrade  to Excel  3.0.
However, when I was ready to do this, Excel 4.0 was already out, and since
I don't  like to  get new  versions every  few months,  I thought about it
again.

I looked at demos of Claris' RESOLVE and Lotus' 1-2-3/Mac; both seemed  to
be very  powerful products  which do  much more  than I  ever would  need.
Resolve has  one annoying  shortcoming, however,  which made  me buy 1-2-3
instead.  It  was  approx.  US$  90  +  shipping from MacWarehouse for the
"competitive upgrade" to 1-2-3. This applies to all versions of Excel  and
also to many other spreadsheet programs. Below is an extract of my message
to Claris what I'd  like to see changed  in Resolve (and what  made me buy
their competitor's product instead.

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Deleting a range  of cells moves  those cells which  previously were at
>the right of the deleted range  to the left. Please give a  possibility
>to  move  the  cells  BELOW  the  deleted  cells  up. Resolve could ask
>whether the user wants to move cells from below or from the right.

Yes, you are correct. Other customers have reported this as well. I passed
this on to our Resolve team.
Thanks  again  for  the  input.  L.  Nicholson  Claris  Technical  Support
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If someone works in a very structured way, this may not be important,  but
any chaotic Mac user like myself needs this possibility ;-) and Excel  2.x
asked what you wanted.

Hope this helps you decide what to do. Best regards, Christian.

Christian F. Buser        email: cbuser@pegasus.ch

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:04:15 EDT
From: "LISA L.W. BESKO" <besko@dasher.nscl.msu.edu>
Subject: Sick Mac SE/30

This is in response to Joe Makkerh's problem with his SE/30.  I would suspect
the power supply.  If the power supply doesn't fix it you might try replacing
the CRT.  Once apon a time I was fixing and SE with a clicking noise as you
describe and after spending several hours with the lights out I finally saw
the spark coming off the back of the tube.  I only saw the problem once and
the machines problem did go away but it wasn't easy to find.

Sorry for not replying to you directly your address was lost before I could
reply.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: George Piotrowski <gap@picasso.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: SimScandal

>Concerning your submitions of SimBush and sim-scandal....

Are you going to have equal time for the other side???

Just thought this looked a little one sided.  Maybe I will digitize
the Quayle quote "He pulled a Clinton" to help even things out. :-)

Later,

George (the undecided)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:48:21 BST
From: A Holloway <pm3ah@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk>
Subject: St-4 CCD Camera and Image Conversion

Hi All,

I quick plea for help!!


I have been given an ST-4 CCD camera to use on a telescope for my Final year
Astronomy p
Astronomy Project.

 It connects to a Mac,   Has anyone had any experience of using a CCD ??

 Also the file format is unique, does anyone know of a convertor program?


 Fianlly, I would appreciate the names of any good ftp sites I might try?



Thanks,

 Ant.   pm3ah@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk   (Only mail direct please, not to
 Info-Mac)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:14:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: COLMENARES@rhoda.fordham.edu (VAX Academic Support)
Subject: The Namer

Hi,

Whenever I run The Namer (I want to rename my Imagewriter), I receive
the message:

	No printer device files can be found on your disk!

How can I rename my Imagewriter?

Josephine Colmenares
Fordham University
colmenares@fordmrh1 via BITNET
colmenares@rhoda.fordham.edu via Internet

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 9:45:01 MDT
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca
Subject: TrueType/System 6

re: someone was asking how to use TrueType fonts with System 6.

If you want to use TrueType fonts with System 6 (TrueType does
not work with version earlier than System 6.0.7), you will need
to obtain the "TrueType Fonts & Software" set from the Apple
Internet site. Use anonymous ftp and connect to ftp.apple.com and
download the files truetype-fonts.hqx and truetype-software.hqx
>From the directory dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging. The file
truetype-fonts.hqx contains the standard System 7 set of fonts.
The file truetype-software.hqx contains the TrueType INIT. To add
and remove fonts from your system file, use Font/DA Mover 4.1
provided in the software file.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:09:01 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: TrueType Fonts... how to use (C)

On Tue, 13 Oct, Paul Lucas responded to a TT question as follows:

>>I have a MacSE with
>>2.5/40 meg and I am running Word 4 as well as some other programs.
>
>        Irrelevant.

Horsefeathers, Paul. It is very naughtywording relevant. With 2.5M on an
SE, the original poster simply *has* to be running System 6. He or she
needs the TrueType Init to be able to use TT fonts.

C'mon folk. Even the best of us do not always give every clue necessary
to debug a problem. This one gave us plenty of information. Yes, hard
disk capacity and "Word 4" are indeed irrelevant. But those data were in
addition to the key data. Who gripes about too much information?

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:22:39 -0700
From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Subject: WAISstation

The chief site for this is think.com.  I just looked there,
and they have WAISstation 0.6.3.

-- Joshua

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:33:59 -0500
From: bradcox@sitevax.gmu.edu (Brad Cox)
Subject: Win 3.1 v. System 7

>Eric Dubrow asks for rebutals to a member of his Doctoral Committee on the
>relative merits of the Mac v. a PC running Windows. First, I question his
>wisdom of challenging a member of his Committee over such a personal choice
>decision. I mean, what if the guy holds this against Eric when his thesis
>comes up for its final review?

What if this professor is merely posing a controversial issue in order to
gauge doctorial candidates' ability to deal with people issues as well as
machine issues?

I can't imagine low-level techie issues being relevant to a doctoral
committee anyway. Negotiation/persuasion skills might very well be.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:43:40 CDT
From: "Eric H. Durbrow" <C509393@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject: Win 3.1 whiners

Thanks for the rebuttals regarding Win v. 7. And thanks for the advice on
committee member management. Eric.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 1:04:53 EDT
From: up421@lfkw2.bgm.link.com (Nick Blackwell)
Subject: WindowScript from Heizer Softwr

I just recieved the new Heizer Software catalog. In it I  noticed  a
neat HyperCard Development tool called "WindowScript". It claims to
make it posible to develop stacks with the same "look and feel" as
normal Mac applications. Does anyone out there have any experience
using this tool ? Is it worth $149.00 ? I guess this package is a
replacement for Leonard Buck's "Dialoger Professional". It sounds
really good to me.

       Thanks....

--NicB       nblackwell@link.com

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