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From: kdbw@Comtech.com (Kevin D. Baranski-Walker)
Subject: Dunn MicroColor Film Recorder specs ?
Keywords: Film Recorder
Organization: Comtech Labs Inc, Palo Alto
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:46:48 GMT

Does anyone happen to recall the specs on this recorder?  I ran across one
recently sans manual.  I'm familiar with a few other Dunn's but not this
one (other than it's analog, no?)

Thanks in advance.

- kevin



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From: fujimoto@titisna.is.titech.ac.jp (Fujimoto Kou (phone 4131))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: How can I plot a sequence of much small numbers?
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:06:15 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Dept. of Information Sciences, Tokyo Institute of Technology, 
    Tokyo, JAPAN
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Hi,

I'd like to plot a sequence of very very small numbers such as 

0 1.477000e-65
1 1.479008e-65
2 1.640547e-65
3 1.789943e-65
...

gnuplot seems to regard such small numbers as zero, and plot a 
horizontal line. 
xgraph (in X11R5 distribution) can recognize them and plot a 
curve as expected. But xgraph cannot draw 3-D graphs which 
I want to write, too.

How can I plot, or is this a specification of gnuplot?

Sorry if this is a FAQ.

--
Kou Fujimoto: fujimoto@titisna.is.titech.ac.jp

 Dept. of Information Sciences, Tokyo Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
From: vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)
Subject: Where to post/send changes/suggestions
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:40:49 GMT

Where is the *real* place to send comments about, or proposed
code that implements changes to gnuplot?  I have gnuplot 3.1
and 3.2.  3.2 says bug-gnuplot@ames.arc.nasa.gov, but that
bounced.  3.1 says pixar!info-gnuplot@sun.com, which didn't
bounce, but there was no reply to what I thought was a quite
reasonable pair of suggestions.  I'll post them here:

First, I added a "reread" command that says "if you're reading
a command file (due to a 'load' command), rewind it."  This
is nifty for animation.  E.g., I made a command file that
contains

zrot=(zrot+10)%360
set view xrot,zrot
replot
reread

Minor changes were required in command.c near line 334:

        else if (almost_equals(c_token,"rer$ead")) {
                fp = lf_top();
                if (fp != (FILE *)NULL) rewind(fp);
                c_token++;
        }

and misc.c near line 82:

FILE *lf_top();

and line 731:

FILE *lf_top()
{   if (lf_head == (LFS *) NULL) return((FILE *)NULL);
    return(lf_head->fp);
}


Then I noticed that when one is using x11 for the output, the
plot window doesn't get topped when one plots into it.  So I
added "XMapRaised(dpy, win);" at about line 210 in
gnuplot_x11.c  This puts the plot window on top of the stack,
but doesn't change the keyboard focus.
-- 
What fraction of Americans believe   |  Van Snyder
Wrestling is real and NASA is fake?  |  vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
From: isaac@elrond.physics.mcgill.ca (Martin-D. Lacasse)
Subject: Re: gnuplot
Organization: Center for the Physics of Materials, McGill University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:01:14 GMT

In article <9212212109.AA00505@tagsun.med.toronto.edu> sun!tagsun.med.toronto.edu!tagoldth@pixar.com (Thomas A. Goldthorpe) writes:
>
>Gnuplot installs and works great, but it lacks one *major* feature, the ability
>to use the loaded data as part of the calculation.  In a 2-d plot, it only aloow
>allows x to be used.  I want to print things like y**2 (where y is the second
>column in the data file) versus x.  Is it possible to modify gnuplot to do allow
>the second column to be used as data for a function?
>
>tom
>

	Try fudgit from ftp.physics.mcgill.ca.
	
	BTW, I completed a version able to load DYNAMICALLY any FORTRAN
	or C routine at run time. (You only need to compile the
	object and load it). For example, this allows you to compute the
	elliptic integral (of the second kind? Well, anything you want!)
	of a vector and plot the result using GNUPLOT.
	However, this feature is only available on IRIX for
	the moment. Does any one knows about dynamic loading in other OS?
	(e.g. SUNOS, AIX...) Reply by e-mail since this group
	is definitely not appropriate for this discussion.

Martin
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From: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: Re: How can I plot a sequence of much small numbers?
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:47:28 GMT
Reply-To: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix)
Organization: Code 1542, DTMB, Bethesda, MD

In comp.graphics.gnuplot, fujimoto@titisna.is.titech.ac.jp (Fujimoto Kou (phone 4131)) writes:
>I'd like to plot a sequence of very very small numbers such as
>
>gnuplot seems to regard such small numbers as zero, and plot a
>horizontal line.
>xgraph (in X11R5 distribution) can recognize them and plot a
>curve as expected. But xgraph cannot draw 3-D graphs which
>I want to write, too.
>
>How can I plot, or is this a specification of gnuplot?

Try set zero  to set the value which gnuplot considers to be zero.
That may still not help for the very small numbers that you are trying to
plot.

Dane Hendrix                              | email: dane@wizard.dt.navy.mil 
DTMB (a.k.a. Headquarters, Carderock Div.,|  or hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Naval Surface Warfare Center)             |  or hendrix@nas.nasa.gov 
Code 1542, Bethesda, MD 20084-5000        | phone: (301)227-1340
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from info-gnuplot to comp.graphics.gnuplot; Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:53:27 EST
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:09:33 -0500
From: sun!tagsun.med.toronto.edu!tagoldth@pixar.com (Thomas A. Goldthorpe)
Subject: gnuplot
Content-Length: 380
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Gnuplot installs and works great, but it lacks one *major* feature, the ability
to use the loaded data as part of the calculation.  In a 2-d plot, it only aloow
allows x to be used.  I want to print things like y**2 (where y is the second
column in the data file) versus x.  Is it possible to modify gnuplot to do allow
the second column to be used as data for a function?

tom
From: phalsema@x102a.ess.harris.com (halsema pb 64533)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: Re: Rectangular contour plots
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:14:59 GMT
Organization: Harris ESS, Melbourne, Fla.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg) writes:
: Does anyone know how to scale the lengths of the axis?

If I understand your question properly, then set size x,y will do what you
want.  For instance, set size 1,.5 will make the y axis half its normal
size and not change the x-axis.  Depending on your output device, you may
be able to use set size 2,1.

   ---Paul
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From: wittlin@sci.kun.nl (Aleksander Wittlin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: Re: Porting Gnuplot to Linux
Date: 3 Jan 93 15:10:08 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

In <1992Dec16.171156.18575@husc3.harvard.edu> eekim@husc11.harvard.edu (Eugene Kim) writes:

>Hi.  I've been trying to port Gnuplot to Linux, a Unix clone written by
>Linus Torvalds.

>Everything was compiling nicely until I got to the very end.  The Makefile
>tries to compile plot.h using the file "libplot.a"  Unfortunately, I checked
>my whole drive and cannot find this library.

>Does anyone know what directive I should use?  Please reply by e-mail.

>Thanks in advance.

>-- 
>Eugene Kim '96                     |   "If we do not succeed, then we run the
>INTERNET: eekim@husc.harvard.edu   |    risk of failure."        --Dan Quayle


I had the same problem , trying to port Gnuplot 3.2 to 386BSD Unix clone.
After removing references to libplot.a in  a x11 Makefile Gnuplot compiled without
problems but it doesn't work. After the initial banner any attempt to plot 
something  ( either to the screen under XFree86-1.1 X11 port, or to the file )
ends up with "Floating point exception, core dumped". Did anyone get further?

Thanks in advance

Olek
From: vamsee@abgen.tamu.edu (Vamsee Lakamsani)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: bar plots,  multiple graphs and label control
Date: 29 Dec 1992 07:40:07 GMT
Organization: Center for Macromolecular Design, Texas A&M University.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: abgen.tamu.edu

How does one do bar plots using gnuplot ? Is it possible to fill up the
bars with different patterns or just plain black ?

As an example, suppose I have the following values,

a  20
b  30

My bar plot should look somewhat like (with the bars filled with some pattern),
         __
|   __  |  |
|  |  | |  |
|  |  | |  |
|  |  | |  |
|  |  | |  |
-----------------------------
    a    b

Is it possible to do  one pattern for bar "a" and another for bar "b" ?
Suppose I have a1,a2 and b1,b2 such that a1,b1 belong to one data set and
a2,b2 belong to another data set and I want compare the corresponding
data items by plotting them together. So we have

|
|
|
-------------------
  a1 a2       b1 b2

It would be nice if a1,b1 had one pattern and a2,b2 had another pattern in
their respective bars.


Here is another plotting problem that I have. I have two data sets.

Data set 1

52Y 10
63K 12.3
54Z 8.4
.....
.....
.....


Data set 2

12R 3.4
13L 4.3
25P 8.9
.......
.......
.......


My plot should look approximately like,

      Data Set 1           Data Set 2
|
|     .'.                   '`
|    /   .                 '  ` 
|  .'     .         ......'    \
|                               .                              
|
|         |<---x--->|
------------------------------------------
  52Y 63K 54Z ..       12R 13L 25P ..


Is it possible to adjust "x" in the above plot?  Is it possible 
to draw the same plot such that, the graph for data set 2 is below 
(instead of being adjacent as shown above) the graph for data set 1 ?
How can I adjust the separation then ? I suppose all gnuplot has all
these capabilities. Its just that I don't seem to be able to find the
right command. 

Vamsee
From: banana@panix.com (Walter Polkosnik)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Subject: Gnuplot, pause and X11
Date: 29 Dec 92 07:10:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

We use X11 with gnuplot, and use one of the X11 terminal setting in gnuplot to
get the graphs on the screen. Since the system is not used by computer people,
I wrote a shell script in which they can just pass the name of the file they
want plotted, and the shell script redirects gnuplot commands with the filename
into gnuplot, something like:


gnuplot <<EOF
plot $1
pause -1
EOF

(you get the idea, I don't want to type the whole thing in.)

This is inconvenient because the pause -1 forces the user to type return in the
window they invoked the command even after the have killed the gnuplot window.
Is there any way to get gnuplot to die when the window is killed so that we
don't have to type return afterwards all the time?

I also tried pause 30000, and putting the gnuplot in the background but then we
get a lot of gnuplot processes lying around after the window is killed
-- 
Walter Polkosnik                 
Physics Department         banana@panix.com        
Queens College, CUNY       {cmcl2,apple}!panix!banana
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot
From: calica@cae.wisc.edu (Carlo James Calica)
Subject: Re: Is there a OS2 and WINDOWS 3.1/3.0 version of GNUPlot_?
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:59:01 CST

In article <1992Dec15.111824.11053@fel.tno.nl> rioj7@fel.tno.nl (M.L.M.Veraart) writes:
>IFF032%DJUKFA11@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU (Zell Volker) writes:
>
>>Hey !
>>Can anybody tell me if there exist a ftp site with a gnuplot version for
>>os2 and windows 3.0 or 3.1 ?
>
>>                        Thanks
>>                              Zell Volker
>>                              iff032@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de
>
>At ftp.cica.indiana.edu a windows 3.x version of gnuplot can be found
>in the sub directory /pub/pc/win3/???. The name of the file is wgnuplot.zip.
>I found it in win3/uploads but that was a while ago.
>It's probably moved to an other subdirectory.

For an OS/2 version look at hobbes.nmsu.edu.  They are also an excellent spot
for OS/2 software in general.

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From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Color data help needed
Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:56:35 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <judith-311292135444@mollusk.larc.nasa.gov> judith@mermaid.larc.nasa.gov (Judith Moore) writes:
>My new question is, is there some other convenient way of
>mapping 8-bit values to a table of maybe 100->128 colors?  My
>applications need to do this as quickly as possible, and I 
>_don't_ want to lose my original data.
>
>Any help, references, cogitation, or (ideally) source code
>would be much appreciated.

The best suggestion I can make is to get a copy of the O'Reilly &
Associates Xlib Reference Manual and Xlib Programming Manual  (ISBN
1-56592-002-3 and ISBN 1-56592-006-3).  They're big, fat, moderately
expensive books but well worth the weight and cost.  In the
Programming Manual, there is a lengthy chapter on how to deal with
color maps.

Example source code is available on the net at export.lcs.mit.edu and
at ftp.uu.net (18.24.0.12 and 137.39.1.9, respectively).  Look in
/contrib/OReilly and nutshell/Xlib.

							spl
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From: avinash@felix.contex.com (Avinash Chopde)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Decomposing a 3x3 (2D Transform) matrix into simpler transforms.
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:09:26 GMT

Is there a simple method to decompose a arbritrary 3x3 matix
into a product of simpler geometric transformations (shear, scale, rotate,
translate)?

I'm just interested in the 2D transform case (hence, the 3x3 matrix for
homogenous coordinates).
It is very easy to decompose the matix, assuming that only
scale, rotate, and translate exists, but that is not general enough.
According to Graphics Gems III, in the 3D case, adding two shears
to the decomposition makes it quite general.
For the 2D case, does the general decomposition require considering
two shears (both X & Y), or is one sufficient?
The shears complicate the decomposition, I'm looking for easier
methods.

Any help in decomposing a 3x3 matrix (2D transforms only) in the most
general form will be appreciated....
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From: newberry@delphinus.as.arizona.edu (Mike Newberry)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Plus
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:20:07 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1gui9eINNinj@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> jwu@cs.ubc.ca (Joseph Wu) writes:
>mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know if the ATI Graphics Ultra Plus (with 2MB of DRAM)
>>supports 1280x1024 resolution with 256 colors?  I'm considering trading
>>in my Diamond Stealth 24X for the ATI card and I'm looking for opinions
>>about ATI products.
>
>One problem that I've heard of with the Ultra Plus (and I have not 
>verified this with ATI since I'm perfectly happy with my new SpeedStar
>24X) is that the second MB of memory clashes with system memory if you
>have more than 8MB installed. Apparently, they set the addressing of
>the second MB at the beginning of the 9th MB...
>
>Anyone have a definitive word on this? Did I hear right or wrong?

I don't know about this particular issue but there are some other issues
of importance concerning the Ultra+ and Ultra-Pro:

1) They aren't to be found yet.  I've been trying to get my hands on one
for 2 months now.  Have 3 companies looking.  Even called the "direct"
dealer that ATI suggested on the phone.  Other than Gateway, no one has them
in stock.  The reason is that ATI signed a large deal (almost 8 figures in
US$) to supply Gateway with VLbus versions and has let the rest of the
market go onto the back burner for a while--understandable, I guess.

2) Both cards have internal 64 bit data paths and do 1280x1024x256.  To
reduce the cost, the Ultra+ uses fast DRAM instead of the VRAM found on
the Ultra Pro. The speed difference is apparently not that great, though.
Disappointingly, the Ultra+ runs its 1280x1024 mode interlaced, as the
DRAM throughput isn't high enough for non-interlaced operation.  Note,
however, that your monitor must be able to handle 1280x1024, interlaced
or not, in order to use this mode.  Needless to say, 1280x1024 NI monitors
are not cheap!

Both cards are otherwise identical.  They have some amazing hardware
capabilities which were not heretofore found on anything less than high end
unix workstation video controllers. Unfortunately for us developers, the
details are proprietary and confidential and not easily accessed from ATI..
If you want to see a machine running the UltraPro, and doing a very good
job, even with WinDoze, try the Gateway 486/66V.  Zowie.  Depending upon
who wrote the video driver, WinDoze may not even fully utilize the hardware
acceleration offered by this card.

Mike Newberry
Axiom Research, Inc.
From: Alex_-_DeBurie@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Converting Wavefront .obj to other formats?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 01:49:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

If you're on (or have access to) an Amiga system, then you may want to check
out Vertex, my shareware ($40) 3D object editor/converter. It will read
Wavefront .obj files and save them in Imagine, Sculpt 3D, Lightwave 
RayShade, GEO and 3D Professional file formats. While not perfect, it does
correctly read the wavefront geometry from the file, and you can modify
smoothing and face colors right in Vertex.

This probably sounds like a sales pitch,it is kind of;^),
want to take everything I say with a grain of salt. There are demos of the
program floating around (like on Fred Fish 727), to give you an idea of wha
it's all about.

You may also want to look into T3Dlib, or something like that, which is also 
Amiga shareware package by Glenn Lewis. I don't know Glenn, but I here the
program will convert to-from Imagine file formats and nff/off.
 
Hope this helps,

-- Alex
From: cd874@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andreas Priebe)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Raster ---> Vector graphics (PD)
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:22:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1hkhohINNsus
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi.

can anybody help me with a PD/Shareware tool to convert
raster graphics (e.g. TIF,GIF,PCX or any other) to a vector
graphics format (PostScript would be good, but any other will
help a lot!!!).
The tool shoul run either on a PC or any popular Workstation
(SUN, DEC, ...).

Please MAIL (!!!) me if you can suggest anything appropriate!

Andreas
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From: alien@essex.ac.uk ("Adrian F Clark")
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: ??? Image Processing Standards
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:03:10 GMT
	<1992Dec15.083449.30624@watson.ibm.com>
Followup-To: comp.graphics
Organization: University of Essex, UK
In-reply-to: ricky@vnet.ibm.com's message of 15 Dec 92 08:34:49 GMT

On 15 Dec 92 08:34:49 GMT, ricky@vnet.ibm.com (Rick Turner) said:

RT> Mike, I think that you are probably referring to the ISO Programmers Imaging
RT> Kernel (PIKS) standard. This was an ANSI X3H3 document before ISO picked it up.

RT> The PIKS standard contains three parts; one is the IPI, a second is an
RT> architecture overview, and the third an API definition. My copy is about three
RT> inches thick, most of the volume being the API definition.

I am afraid that you have got things a little wrong.  PIKS (your
acronym is correct) is one of the three parts of IPI (Image Processing
and Interchange), the other two parts being "A Common Architecture for
Imaging" and the "Image Interchange Facility".  PIKS is directly
descended from ANSI committee work called PIK but is nothing like the
same.  PIK had many problems and arbitrary restrictions; the ISO
standard should not (if we have got it right).  PIK also had no
architectural material and no interchange capability, both of which
are in the developing ISO standard.

RT> Currently the document is at the draft international standard stage, so I am
RT> not sure if you can get a copy except from one of the people involved.

The draft international standard is being published as DIS12087 and
can be obtained from ISO central secretariat in Geneva.  It should
also be possible to buy it from national standards bodies: in the UK
(which is where the original poster resides), this is the BSI
distribution centre in Milton Keynes.  (But it is not available YET
and it won't be cheap when it is.)  Note that, since ISO own copyright
from the ISO stage, it is no longer possible to simply copy the
documents for someone else.

I hope this clears this up a little.

..Adrian
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: timborn@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (timothy.d.born)
Subject: Contact Sheets - Looking for multi-standard program
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:18:01 GMT

I ran across a very handy program (part of Calendar Creator) that makes 
contact sheets of .PCX files.  It takes all the graphics images, reduces 
them to about 1" square and prints the lot on a printer with the file 
name displayed beneath each picture.  I assume the same could be done 
for other standards, provided they can be scaled.  The one I am referring 
to is, unfortunately, limited to .PCX files, leaving out a whole raft 
of interesting pictures that beg to be cataloged.

Does anyone know of a program that will produce such contact sheets for 
several of the more popular graphics formats?

Email preferred.

-tim
t.born@att.com
From: dtaber@misdev.mis.pyramid.com (Don Taber)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: .gif --> .xbm
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:49:57 GMT
Reply-To: dtaber@misdev.mis.pyramid.com (Don Taber)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

I am looking for something to convert .gif files to .xbm format (X-windows
bitmap files?).  I'm not real familiar with this type of stuff, so any
information anyone can give me would really help out.

						Thanks,

							Don

dtaber@misdev.mis.pyramid.com
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