HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: 09/03 0745  TOTAL OF 24 PEOPLE KILLED, 67 INJURED IN SRI ...
Reply-To: akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:20:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.112926.1725@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>, siva@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>
>RTw  09/04 0327  SRI LANKAN REBELS DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR BOMBS
>
>    COLOMBO, Sept 4, Reuter - Sri Lanka's Tamil Tiger  guerrillas
>on Friday denied responsibility for two bombings in eastern towns
>that killed 32 civilians this week.
>    "We deny any responsibility whatsover," the Tigers said in  a
>statement  from their London office, charging that the government
>was behind the attacks.

[stuff deleted..]

> REUTER FS NM JS
>

Gee! I thought LTTE was a "responsible" organization.

They were responsible for killing Siree Sabarathnam;

They were responsinle for killing Padmanabha;

They were responsible for killing Amirthalingham;

They were responsible for killing Rajiv Gandhi;

..........

and they are denying responsibility for this... I am disappointed.
 
- Arun
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From: ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Vedas are NOT shit ( was  Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:36:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ua1ix.1992Sep04.213607.126603
Organization: The University of Alabama

In article <1992Sep4.180533.11661@engage.pko.dec.com>, thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> In article <42433@ogicse.ogi.edu>, partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes...
|> >Meenan Vishnu writes:
|> > 
|> >> but, hope that you don't treat this as a flame.
|> >>There is a saying in coimbatore area.
|> >>"saathathilE pee irukku, iruthaapale oothunu sonnana
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>If there is shit in the food, how can we filter it and eat. We have to
|> >>throw the food. We know all the veda and varNa and things and
|> >>their interpretations, defence and what not does not have
|> >>any sense. Why do people still defend that?
|> >>
|> > 
|> >Mr. Vishnu has been an ardent critic of the Vedas. At the same time he
|> >treat humanity the way it should be. Does a terrorist organization like
|> >LTTE treat humanity the way it should be treated? Killing people, especially
|> >FYI, I have read a brief translation of the Rg Veda (I forgot the author's
|> >sexual remarks). I can post that chapter if guys are interested. 
|> You can post/or e-mail to me
|> 
|> > 
|> > 
|> >So give up these prejudiced analysis and contribute something useful for
|> >everyone.
|> > 
|> >Partha sarathy
|> 
|> I have requested Mr Meenan long back (in scs or sci) to post something which
|> will unit people together and not to propogate hatred. Unfortunately he has 
|> put the maximum no of hate-articles in sct
|> 
|> 
|> But you know, terrorists/ltte-jalras are known for their in-tolerence they
|> won't even hear your suggestions
|> 
|> RT


Who the hell is this Meenan Vishnu guy? He is lucky that Hinduism is a tolerant 
religion. If he had said that the Quran is like shit, he would be
like Salman Rushdie, hiding in some place on earth. This itself should prove
the greatness of the Vedas, they permit criticism, but indecent criticism like
this is intolerable. Just let him say that the Bible is like shit. They will
kick his ass out of Canada. Constructive criticism is ok but abusing something
which a lot of people hold dearly is only sickening, at this rate nowonder
parties like the RSS and the BJP are coming up. Religion is a touchy issue
and if one has nothing decent to say, SHUT UP.  

Nath.


P.S. Just trying to emulate dear Deb:-)
What happened to him anyway?
From: rao@uts.amdahl.com (Madhavan Rangarao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Madras coffee ...
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:38:21 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Hi all coffee lovers,

I really miss our coffee served in "ever-silver tumblers".  (  It is an
another debate whether coffee served in ever-silver tumblers tastes  
better than the cup&saucer counterpart ...  ).

I tried buying different beans like  french toast, irish, kona (hawaiian ..
horrible ) etc.,   Has anyone found the blend which is very close to
madras coffee taste ..  Is chicory available here?

I would appreciate responses & discussions...

Thanks,

Rao (in search of the ultimate blend ...)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Subject: Re: A Tamil Eelam poet wins an international writing award
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:28:54 GMT



In article <1992Sep9.051536.17406@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, ketha@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR) writes...
> 
>RTw   09/04 0319  DETAINED TAMIL FEMINIST WINS WRITING AWARD
> 
> 
>    COLOMBO, Sept 4, Reuter - A feminist Tamil poet, held captive
>    A year after she was detained by  the  Liberation  Tigers  of
>Tamil  Eelam,  and  with no news of her whereabouts or condition,
>her friends had decided that the time had come to reveal she  had
>received the award, Keeley said.
>    Selvi, a third-year student at the University  of  Jaffna  in
>Tamil  rebel-controlled  northern  Jaffna,  was  taken hostage on
>August 30, 1991.
>    Newspapers and journals are subject to strict  Tiger  control
>and  other  Tamils have been detained or executed for criticising
>the rebels.


All LTTE jalras, note down this! Executing those who criticise tiger style. If
SCT is under LTTE control many of us might be speaking as ghosts!

By the way did this news come up in 'Thamizharuvi'?

RT
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Telugu and Tamil
Keywords: Telugu and Tamil
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:56:12 GMT

[I will offer the following without too much comment, I hope]
In article <BuJwv9.Avo@rice.edu> pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao) writes:

[lots of stuff deleted]
[leaving some odd, some funny segments] <-- to very few people, maybe just
                                            one!

>a very odd-sounding language, let me analyze impassionately why _some_ Telugus
>(and others, who are not Tamils) think Tamil sounds odd.

>But, all these phonetic patterns are very unusual in Telugu and to some Telugus
>they may sound very funny and rather odd.

>common to your language odd, why should you get offended by it, after all! It
>doesn't mean anything if some Telugus think Tamil is a cacophonious language.

>Why don't you understand that you are programmed to see euphony in those sound
>patterns and the way another person is programmed makes him think those patterns
>sound silly? There is no dispute or debate here. One's sense of phonetic
>beauty will be developed based on the patterns he learns, after all.

>If someone comes and says, "Telugu is a cacophonious language. It sounds
>horrible", I will not care. I will not get into lengthy debates and try to
>explain how euphonious Telugu is. I'll just ignore her/him. I just don't

>Chill out
>PVR

This "impassionate" non-"cacophonious" exposition has opened my eyes.

Trying to chill out (and perhaps do a shuffle?)
Sthan.

PS. My next puzzle is the Tamil adage: "kAkkaikkum tan kunju pon kunju"
{[even?] For a crow its young looks golden!} - waiting for a PC analysis!
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From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Found that kuRaL...  Was that right..?
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:02:47 GMT

Sundara Pandian writes:

>   This kuRaL is from the chapter `vaazhkkaith thuNainalam'.   

>  \(TAMIL) 
>    deyvam thozhaa_aL kozhu_nan thozhuthezhuvaaL
>    peyyanap peyyum mazhai [ KuRaL, # 55 ].
>  

I have two questions.

1.  That must be "theyvam", right?  Or, does ADAMI consider that no Tamil 
    words start with 'da', 'daa', 'di', etc?  If so, how could  one write 
    "dum dum", "dik dik", "daaN daaN" etc?

2.  The third 'seer' must be 'kozhunaR'.  If I remember  right, "kozhunan
    thozhuthezhuvaaL" would mean, "the one who wakes up after husband wor-
    shipped her".  Any comment? (I don't have a copy of kuRaL with me)

Vicky:
UMass, Sep 08
+++++

>  Meaning :
> --------
>    deyvam = god
>    thozhaa_aL = woman who does not worship
>    kozhu_nan = husband
>    thozhuthu = worshipping
>    ezhuvaaL = wakes up ( everyday )
>    peyyanap peyyum = it will pour if it is ordered so
>    mazhai = the rain
> 
>   VaLLuvar speaks in praise of chastity of women. He says that,
> if a woman doesn't worship any god but worships her husband as
> god always, the rain will pour at her bidding.
>                                                      S.Pandian
>                                              sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:40:47 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: in time..

Are there any BJP nuts using this forum to pour their
Aryan/Vedas/Hinduis thought? 

I get the feeling that there are some. How did BJP obtain ardent 'followers'
from the Tamil heartland? It's insulting! Enough said.

puRratchi maNnan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: A Ghost Poem .....
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:40:23 GMT

In article <FA21E57B037F201C32@cs.umass.EDU> DEVADOSS@cs.umass.EDU (John  
deVadoss) writes:
> >>vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> >> avan 'pO' enRaal                           if one says 'go'
> >> ivan 'vaa' enpaan.                         the other says 'come'.
> 
> >aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable) writes:
> >  If Cheran is in the middle, then there is no confusion regarding
> >this. Just he has to go to the side which asks him to 'come'. In this
> >way he obliges both the sides. Pretty obvious, huh?
> 
> >Venkat 		venkat@jetson.uh.edu
> 
> It was a great comment Venkat. It was as cruel as saying to a person who 
  If you see Cheran's poem, in other situations, he has the confusion of 
  what to do. But in this situation, there is no confusion as the 
  commands of the two sides are not contradictory. Just I wanted to point
  out that one. Maybe, he should have avoided those two lines to prove
  his confusion in all the situations. Well, I'm not a great scholar
  to point out his mistakes. If you consider me cruel, it's a matter
  of opinion.
> lost an eye in an accident, "oh, you can see by the other one". There are 
> places to make comments, though "logic" would sound appropriate. I was not
> sure whether to right a reply to this when I read this note. I don't
> expect much from an interllectual who developed his or her taste to 
> literature from Kumudham and Vikadan. If you are one of them, I am sorry 
> for this posting. I pity you.
> 
  Yes,I'm one of them. It's true I'm not exposed to serious literarture.
 [If you want to blame anybody for that, you'll have to blame my parents
  and  friends.] I know only Balakumaran novels, Sujatha novels, Tamilvaanan 
  novels and other weekly magazines.[Sundaramoorthy, note this. The reason 
  I'm not responding for your call of discussing contemporary literature.]
  But the last thing I need is others' pity.
  [stuff deleted]
  Yes, that posting was extemporaneous. I never thought that such simple 
  posting would hurt anybody's feelings. 
>and what the public opinion was. I wish to believe that Venkats are 
>minority here.
 I believe Johns who read the articles very seriously are majority
 everywhere.

Venkat
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:20:37 -0400 
From: Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh <rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: From Yaalpanam

After reading Cheran's poetry and others by Sunder Pandian,
by some stroke of luck, I composed 2 myself. Of course, I haven't had
any Tamil lessons for the last 8 yrs. I tried my best. I hope they are
atleast close to poetry format.  I made them in memory of 3 friends and
their mother who lives through all the travail of a war.

From Velvettithurai,

This family, not closely related, but is nevetherless very close to my
matriarch set. They had five sons and a daughter.  At age 19, the oldest
died in one of the first gunbattles against the army.  Velvettithuai,
1985.
Another son at age 17, was one of the drivers who drove the
explosive-laden truck to smash the Jaffna Fort's frontal defenses in
1990. A year later, a friend talented in arts,  the third son at 19
died. While he was sleeping, a naval shell landed in the house. Instant
death by shrapnel injury.   The mother still weeps, but carries on her
life.  She is one proud Thamil thai at a great cost. At tense time,
their roof was shelter to me.
I felt the pain personally......... 

In the memory of the them and countless others,

Pothu mahanin nenchil,
    
Orru senthiyil orru vaettu
Orru veeddukku orru eLlappu
IPpadium, eNnekku vaeNnum eNn nadu
aenNnenral,  iLlatchium  manathil orru thuDdippu
ILlatchium manathil orru thuDdippu.

Irrapin muNn,

AMmanayium kandaen arranayium kandaen
Theerthath-eKk kuddithaen thirrumbip paarthaen
Pothu mahana poRralia  enru kaeTtan

Kaelvi singalach chipayin aanaal iDdi eNn nenchethil
KuLlapathil waithathu eNn kuDdam aanaal thuDdippu eNn -ithayathil

Inrru AMmanukku naan oRru samarpanam.
--------------------------------------------------

any suggestions?

'purratchi manithan'


 

   





Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: pasupat@ecf.toronto.edu (Subbarayan Pasupathy)
Subject: Usage of the word "thaNdan"
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:51:33 GMT

This is with reference to a recent enquiry from S.Pandiyan,
regarding the usage of the word "thaNdan".
Saint Ramalinga swaamigaL (1823-74) uses it in one of his
musical compositions .The song, sometimes sung in concerts and
used in dance performances, is in praise of NatEsa and starts
with the words:
"thaNdanittEn endru solladi- swaamikku naan"

S.Pasupathy
pasupat@ecf.toronto.edu
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kerala, eezham and Tamils, Was: Kerala -Excerpted Notes--Icarus.
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:57:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4eeylV600VooIQ5kZ6
	<42360@ogicse.ogi.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

A minister/ex-minister stealing temple jewelry?

If the rumor proves to be true, it's despicable. 
What else these crony politicians are up to?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Subject: Re: Kamban on SurppaNagai
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:04:36 GMT

In article <9209041601.AA02540@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>               Kamban on SurppaNagai
>             ------------------------

> with Kathiravan that this poem has a good `sandham'. Another
> Kamban's verse with good `sandham' that I remember is a 
> verse on Gukan preparing himself for a war against Bharatha
> mistaking that he had come with his army for a war with Rama.

The verse you are referring to is (from my rusty memory)

kattiya surikaiyan kaditha vaayinan
vettiya mozhiyinan vizhi-kaN theeyinan
kottiya thudiyinan kuRikkum kombinan
kittiya thamar-enak kilarntha thOLinan.

surikai is the dress Gukan is wearing, thudi is a percussion
instrument he uses to announce that he is on war.
Kombu is his weapon.

This is my favorite verse in kambaramayanam.  Here one
can see that kamban uses mainly 'vallina ezhuthukkal',
thus giving the verse a 'strong sound', which aptly
fits the angry mood of Guhan. Just compare this with
'panchiyoLir' describing Soorpanakai. There he uses 
'mellinam' a lot to describe a woman (though an evil
one).


> meaning that she is like poison, like the daughter of wickedness.
> These are internal descriptions. Kamban implies that though 
> SurppaNagai has changed her external appearance, she retains her
> wickedness in her earlier appearance. This is rather philosophical.
> Now, for a meaning :
>   vinchukuLir = very cold 
>   panchiyoLir - this refers to beautiful drawings           
>                 decorated on women's feet. They are
>                 done with a red coloured liquid made
>                 of `sengal podi' etc., Those who have   
>                 seen `Vicco turmeric' advertisements
>                 may remember the bride's mother and
>                 her friends decorating her feet before

Probably Kamban wants to say that the the decoration
does not fit there. He uses the word 'oLir' to imply
that the decoration is very conspicuous. If someone
can  post his verse describing sita, we can do some
comparison.


>  painted decorations. ]
> that the act of walking on the hard ground is a pain for
> her.               

Is this because her heart is ladden with wicked thoughts?
If her body is equally light, there should be no pain for 
her feet.


> `ancholiLa mannaiyena annamena minnum vanchiyena'
>   
>    ancholiLa = am + chol + iLa
>                am = sweet, chol = words, iLa = young
>    mannaiyena = mannai + yena
>                mannai = peacock

This is one more place where I am puzzled. Outwardly he is
calling her a peacock. But in what regard? Her voice is 
like that of a peacock. He may be sarcastic here. Peacock
is normally used as a symbol of beauty. In fact the 
'agaval' of peacock is hoarse. 

These couple of points leads one to beleive that what
we see outwardly in this verse is not what Kamban implies. 
There is a meaning like 'pasuththOl pOrthiya puli' here, I think.

Anyway, great work, pAndiyarE!

Bye,
Babu
From: DEVADOSS@cs.umass.EDU (John deVadoss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: A Ghost Poem .....
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:57:48 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>>vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>> avan 'pO' enRaal                           if one says 'go'
>> ivan 'vaa' enpaan.                         the other says 'come'.

>aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable) writes:
>  If Cheran is in the middle, then there is no confusion regarding
>this. Just he has to go to the side which asks him to 'come'. In this
>way he obliges both the sides. Pretty obvious, huh?

>Venkat 		venkat@jetson.uh.edu

It was a great comment Venkat. It was as cruel as saying to a person who 
lost an eye in an accident, "oh, you can see by the other one". There are 
places to make comments, though "logic" would sound appropriate. I was not
sure whether to right a reply to this when I read this note. I don't
expect much from an interllectual who developed his or her taste to 
literature from Kumudham and Vikadan. If you are one of them, I am sorry 
for this posting. I pity you.

The people who followed the actions of IPKF in Sri Lanka knew what IPKF
really did there. Even the Hindu/India Today/Frontline interllectuals had
a pretty close idea about the IPKF operations in Sri Lanka. I was one of
the unfortunate ones to have seen a pictorial description of Valvettithurai
massacre committed by IPKF. Apparently LTTE attacked an IPKF jeep with a
landmine blast. Two soldiers were killed. In retaliation, IPKF soldiers 
walked into the houses and forced people to lie their faces down on the 
hot tar road. Suddenly two soldiers started to spray bullets. Few people
managed to get up and ran away. Jawans broke the doors and shot people.
Houses, shops, fishing boats and other vehicles were burnt. In one of the
photos, partly burnt bodies of two cows were lying in a cowshed. At least
52 people were killed at the site. India's George Fernandez, who was in 
the opposition at that time, wrote the preface of that collection. "For
America there was a Mi Lai. For India there was Valvettithurai", he wrote.

Please don't go and complain that Sri Lankans are India-bashers. Indians
made a big mistake there. Still most of the Indians fail to acknowledge
that. Akhil Choudary wrote his experience with Indian jawans who raided
his school hostel in connection with Assam problem in the SCI. He 
described what happened, what appeared in the newspapers on the next day
and what the public opinion was. I wish to believe that Venkats are 
minority here.

-john
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: praise sun, moon and rain-silambu
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:02:59 GMT


   Some time ago myself, selva, srini(ADAMI), paandian
and others were involved in the discussion of
literatures praising "sun". 
     silapathikaaram by iLankO starts with a praise
of moon, sun and rain. iLankO starts like this

"thingkaLaip pORRuthum! thingaLaip pORRuthum!-
 kongu alarthaarich senni kuLirveNkudaipOndRu-iv
amkaN ulaku aLitha laan.

NYayiRu pORRuthum! NYayiRu pORRuthum!-
kaaviri naatan thikiripOl, ponkOddu
mEru valanththiritha laan.

maamazhai pORRuthum! maamazhai pORRuthum!
vIngunNIr vEli ulakiRkku avan aLipOl
mEl nNinRu thaan suraththa laan."

kathiravan
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Eezhaththu Ilakkiyam - 1
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:21:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.weez8Fi00Voo4Q5lQk
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

With the kind of McCarthysm practiced by many Tamil Nadu Tamils,
how can one expect Eelam(that is right, EELAM!)  literary sorts to
put anything in this forum?

You have classified most of us as 'gun culture.'  Most literary people
from Eelam like keep their dignity as Tamils from Eelam, the land of
Senthamizh.  And we are united together in regard(I'm not a literary
person,  course)

suresh
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