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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Laker Injuries
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:25:42 GMT

(Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>Why would any laker fan want them to make the playoffs?

Because I like to see them win whenever they can.
Because the longest active streak of making the playoffs is not something
that I like to see end.
Because the "scrubs" deserve it for their hard work when the stars went
down.

>They have a mediocre team this year and will jsut get hammered in the play
>offs.

So will 14 other teams that are not called The Bulls.

>Surely, a far better strategy is to hope they get a high lotter pick?????

"Hoping" is not a strategy.  If the Lakers miss the playoffs they'll
have less than a 1 in 20 chance of drafting in the top 3 positions,
and otherwise they'll draft #11.  You call this a strategy?  I call it
daydreaming.

>Should the lakers be striving for a playoff whomping or SHAQ???????

If they miss the playoffs, drafting at #1 will be a 1/66 chance.
Quite frankly, I think they stand a better chance of beating Portland
in the first round than of drafting Shaquille. 

>Don't flame me I'm a laker fan. Shaq says he wants to play for the lakers--
>least the laker can do is give us a tiny bit of hope it could happen. 

What Shaquille says is irrelevant.  He will play for whoever drafts
him.  And I don't want the Lakers to get into the habit of losing and
dreaming about next year and praying that some 20 year old kid who
has never won a damn thing in his life will suddenly fall in their lap
and save them.  That kind of shit is for losers.

>SOmeone else needs to get hurt...AC green maybe?

You wish for A.C. to get hurt, and you call yourself a fan. 

I'd say you're pathetic but I know that you are just blinded by your
puppy love for Shaqille...


--Gidi
From: h0j1297@sigma.tamu.edu (BURT J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Summary: Hasty, hasty, hasty
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:11:00 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

MVP = David Robinson.  Sure, he's hurt right now, but look at the stats!  Take
note of his teams record without him!  I rest my case!
From: Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: random thoughts
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:10:35 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

1.  If the Lakers DID get Shaq and wanted to trade him, how about
sending his rights to Phoenix for Hornacek, Majerle, and a #1?  (This
is kinda a response to someone who earleir mentioned the need for a
Hornacek-type)

2.  Sherman Douglas is not the Celtics' 4th quarter point guard.  He
only has played lately because of Dee's flu.  Bags has been playing 2nd
and 4th quarters usually--it's kinda a 27/21 split.

3.  The Celtics have won the season series against the Pistons and the
Knicks, regardless of Wednesday's game.

4.  Does that Bristow coach in Charlotte look a little like David Duke?
:)

5.  If the Pistons and Celtics meet in the 1st round, look for Kevin
Gamble to be a big zero.  He matches up horribly against them.

6.  Pat Riley will win coach of the year.  Hey, he's a BIG NAME, he's
in a BIG CITY, and he did a BIG JOB with that team.  Although why does
Charles Oakley still take those 18-footers?  I think he's 1 for 20 in
games I've seen him in.

7.  Finally, there's nothing worse that reading Celtics fans
woof-woof-woofing.  That means I've got to read more responses from the
Anti-Celts.  Hey, if they get *really* lucky and find a way past
Chicago and win the title, I think everyone around New England would
"let" the Big Three all retire right there on the spot.  It would be a
nice way to go out, but it woud be nothing more than a sweet surprise
that I don't expect to happen :(


--Brian (big Celts fan, but rational about it all)
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird, a real pro
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:18:35 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <ku8o7aINN5k7@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN) writes:
> ____________________________________________________________________
> And who acts responsibly on *and* off the
> court?  And who is monogamous with their wife???)
> 
> Neil

Much Bird ramblings deleted.

To quote Spike Lee (She's Gotta Have It):  
"Who's the best in the NBA?  Bird.  Ugliest moth__ fu____ too."

This may explain the monogamy. (:>)
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From: mudcr@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David C Roller)
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:52:41 GMT

In article <JAVS.92Apr10131512@sabrina.inesc.pt> javs@sabrina.inesc.pt (Joao Antonio do Vale de Sousa) writes:
>
>   I think is time to initiate the discussion about the player who deserves
>to be the Most Valuable Player.
>
>   My favourites are Michael Jordan (Chicago Bulls) and Clyde Drexler (Portland
> Trailblazers).
>
>   What do you think about this, net folks?
>
>
>--
I think Clyde and M.J. are the two to consider the most.  Both teams
lost against quality teams without them recently.  The Bulls and The
Blazers would be hard pressed to remain championship contending teams
without these guys.  They are the most valuable players in their
respective division and league.  This year anyway.  If anyone else won I
would be ssurprised.  I'm a big Bulls fan but I think this might be old
clyde the glides year to shine.  
But The Bulls will repeat as NBA champions MVP for Jordan or no MVP.


*******************************************************************************
Dave Roller                            The Great Commission
mudcr@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu                  For The Next Generation

To boldly go  and make disciples of al nations.
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit  and teaching them to obey everything Christ has commanded.
Surely He is with us always to the very end of the age and the galaxy
itself.
Star Trek prologue and Matthew 28:18-20
*******************************************************************************
From: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Cleveland would NOT have the second slot!
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:46:24 GMT
Reply-To: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

|>>
|>Boston gets the home court advantage because they've already won the 
|>season series with Detroit, with one game left to play between the two 
|>teams (I don't believe the Pistons have beaten the Celts this season).
|>
|>On another note, wouldn't it be ironic if the Celts overtook NY in the 
|>Atlantic for that coveted #2 seed, only to find Indiana had slipped to the 
|>7th spot?

Cleveland has already cinched up the #2 spot, but the possibility still exists
for Boston to play Indiana, ie if Boston overtakes NY (more than likely)
and Indiana holds off New Jersey (less than likely) this would make for 
a #3 vs #6 matchup - reminiscent of last year's playoffs

Chris Hanley
Die Hard 76ers fan: Shaq and Barkley in 92'
hanley@crd.ge.com


****************************

Uh excuse me, Cleveland does NOT have the second slot.  The first and second are given to the division leaders in order of records.  Then the rest are given in order in the conference.  If Boston ended up in a tie with NY, they would win the Atlantic division because they won the season series against NY, and they would have the 2nd slot.  But I would like to see the celts play new Jersey!  Oh what fun!

Neil
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Utah (was: Warriors (Warriors/Jazz))
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:24:23 GMT

alanj@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>  Why
>> is it that Utah is so tough at home and so mediocre on the road 
>I think it is a mental thing.  They have improved on the road this year
>though.  I don't know the records

Sorry. According to the StandingsMaster [tm], last year the Jazz was
18-23 on the road.  This year they are 17-23 with a game left in San
Antonio.


--Gidi
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:39:10 GMT


 I was wondering whether anyone would notice what was pointed out ad
nauseam when the Bulls beat the Celtics: the 
Bulls were playing their 4th game in 6 days.  I rather expected an
uninspired performance, and I expected nobody else to mention that
fact.
From: dedels@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com (Dan Edelstein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics swat Hornets
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:53:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: hp-vcd.31940007
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Vancouver, WA, USA


>     I began noticing the fatigue in the Hornets about two weeks ago.
> The Hornets lost really bad to the Bullets on the road.  They were down
> by 29 at one time!  They turned around and barely beat Orlando, played
> Chicago close on the road, but were blown out by the Knicks.  They got revenge
> by beating the Bullets at home, but then the bottom fell out.  Orlando
> stomped the Hornets on the road by 23, Cleveland beat them bad, Detroit
> did the same and Boston really killed them.  Boston lead by 38 at one
> time.
>     I simply think that Larry Johnson, Kenny Gattison, Kendall Gill, and
> Muggsy Bogues are simply exhausted.  70+ 38 to 44-minute games have really
> worn them down, especially LJ who has carried the team for most of the year.
> His scoring is down from the mid 20s during the winning stretch in January
> and February to the low teens.  His rebounding, as well as the whole team,
> has dropped.
----------

I agree the Hornets are tired.  Charlotte and Cleveland are the only two NBA
teams to play 4 games every week for the last 5 weeks of the regular season.

However, after the Jan/Feb "winning stretch", LJ was still scoring well.  In
the 23 games since March 1, I believe he scored 467 points, for an average of
20.3 per game....somewhat better than "the low teens".

Mr. Stats
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: NBA Finals Tape
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:11:39 GMT
Distribution: rec

I'm looking to acquire a good tape of Game 5 of the NBA Finals last
year.  I have the first 4 games, but I had to be out of town
(in Chicago!) for the fifth game.  Replies by e-mail please.
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:01:32 GMT
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

Not to throw more gasoline on the raging Larry Bird debate, but...

> The fact is the Celtics have the second best record in their division and have 
> just beat the top three teams in the East(Chicago,Cleveland and New York).
> And as for the Larry Bird haters out there. Bird is still one of the top three
> players in the league(yes, seriously).

The Celtics are definitely the hottest team in the NBA right now, but you will
notice that the man responsible for their surge has NOT been Larry "Oh my
aching back" Bird but Reggie Lewis. In fact, Bird has not played at all during
the Celtics recent run for the Atlantic title and has only played in 44 games
all year. The third best player in the NBA ain't much good when he's on the
injured list for half the season. Plus having watching the Celtics all year
I say the Celtics are a better team without him.

-Bennet
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: New low for 76ers
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:49:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C49820.EIVERSO
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

Pistons gave the 76ers their new all-time low score last night (wed.)
beating them 89-71.
Maybe they should call themselves the 71ers :)

The slumping Pistons remain 1 game behind the surging Celtics who closed
the gap a little tighter with the Knicks, beating them last night too.

Mark Aguirre gave the Pistons 22 points with 9-12 FG and 2-4 FT and 2-3 3PG.
So much for being paid to miss.

--Eric
Philadelphia is below .500, so no woofs from me.
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: EC semi finals
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:39:46 GMT

In article <9830@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu>
koswatta@bgsu.edu (Sunil Koswatta) writes:

>>>Can Pistons take Bulls beyond 4 games in the Eastern Conference
>>>semi finals before bowing out?
>
>>The Pistons new trapping defense and increased passing has served them well
>>since they've implemented it for the past 3 games - all resulting in wins.
[...]
>>Despite the worse record this season, something tells me they will not be
>>swept by the Bulls this time. Of course it may be unrealistic to think
>>that they could "win it all" but I can dream, can't I? ;->

Actually the key may be their excellent road record. They are 22-17 on
the road, which is only bested in the east by the Bulls who are 29-7.

[...]
>
>I believe the key to win at least one game against Bulls
>is going to be Joe Dumars.  If he could contain Jordan

This is *so* right! We had Joe to thank for containing Jordan in the
final seconds the last time Det. met Chi. He's been a tenacious defender
against Jordan in the past as well. And you mention his shooting, of course.

>without loosing the shooting touch then we could expect
>a close series. (At least close games.)  Isiah must be
>the PG for the entire series leaving Joe to be the shooting

If you look at his playing of late, he is going for more assists and
fewer points. This depends on whether or not he has the hot-hand, but
I notice no desire to "take over" which sometimes works & sometimes doesn't.
He's ready to be a pure point-guard this time!

>guard.  If he could use the first round practice games
>to improve his shooting beyond .500 the Pistons will be
>in a very good shape when they meet Bulls in the EC semi
>finals.

True, but I think they are taking every game seriously from now-on and into
the finals. Nothing like a little playoff series to get the old blood
pumping, though!
>
>When you remove the ref. factor that was prominent in the last
>years series, I believe Rodman can easily stop Pippen.

I think it's gone, or at least it's going to be more even-up this time.

>If Zeke and all other Pistons stay injury free then the
>rest of the Bulls wouldn't be a much of a trouble.

Or isn't it about time for a Bulls injury? ;->
>
>If Joe can go over, say .600, hey then we can even think
>about FINALS.

Uh-oh now you done it! ;) But seriously a 5-game series vs the Bulls
may be a blessing in disguise. Especially considering the up & down nature
of the Pistons this season. Their surge may be in danger of petering out
by the time they meet the Bulls. If they can hold on, then hey! I agree!
>
>Sunil ..
>
--Eric
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:27:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:

>I have to agree with Magic's comments at the end of the game where
>he said that the Bulls are an unmotivated bunch right now because there is
>nothing at stake for them until the playoffs get underway in 2 1/2 weeks.

As Phil Jackson said after the game, "We didn't play well, they didn't
play well, and the officiating was horrible...Must be daylight savings
time."
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pistons do Celtics a favor
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:52:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C38AE3.EIVERSO
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

Detroit beat New York Tuesday night 103-94, helping Boston to close the gap
with NY. Detroit beat the Heat by 24 points Sunday but that was nothing to
woof about cuz the Heat are a <.500 team. Beating NY is another matter.

So much for the game-throwing conspiracy; the Pistons are obviously so
afraid of meeting Boston in the first round of the playoffs that they
would purposely beat the Knicks in hopes that the Celtics will get
the #2 spot.

So the slumping Pistons remain 1 game behind the surging Celtics who also
won last night.

Let's see, how could Detroit beat NY? Well, who was injured? Ewing? No.
McDaniel? No. Jackson? No. Oakley? No. Robinson? Wrong team!

Was it a home game for Detroit? No.

How about the Pistons lousy shooting? FG% .553 FT .857
Compare that to the Knicks FG% .500 FT .588

Maybe it was that offensive zero Dennis Rodman?
Nope; 14 points and only 12 rebounds.

I know! It must be the Bad Boy playing style!
Rodman and Aguirre got techs, but so did McDaniel and Mason.
And Oakley was ejected for slap-puching Isiah's face, causing him to fall
out of bounds.
Isiah was quoted as saying "that used to be the Pistons' line"
(What a crybaby cheap-shot artist!).

Laimbeer had 24 points 4 rebs. Isiah and Joe each had 20 pts,
Zeke with 9 assists. Jackson had 26 pts, Ewing 19pts.

So there you go, Boston fans. I know the Pistons measley 2-game winning
streak is nothing compared to your massive 2-game winning streak.
And thanks for beating Cleveland--it's about time they lost one!

--Eric

Oh yeah...
WOOF-WOOF-WOOF!!!
From: russ@Xylogics.COM (Russel M. Lamoreaux)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Dee Brown
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:46:35 GMT
Organization: Xylogics, Inc., Burlington MA


RE: 

>From: urbano@ll.mit.edu (John Urbano)
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
>Subject: Dee Brown
>Date: 13 Apr 92 20:02:14 GMT
>Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
>
>
> I'd be interested in hearing (reading) some opinions
> on Dee Brown, especially on the subject of
> Dee Brown vs Sherm Douglas vs John Bagley.
>
> Who should the Celtics go with short term (playoffs)?
> How about long term?
>

    IMHO: Dee should be the Celtics starting Point in the playoffs!

        Dee Brown will eventually be a very good point guard!! But not
    for another year or two. Some of the things he has not mastered at
    the position are:

        dribbling through the press
        passing down to the low post
        passing off of the drive

    These are all things that Sherman, and the Bags are better at. The
    current rotation has been, Dee amassing most of the first half
    minutes, with Bags playing the third quarter, and Sherman Douglas
    as the finisher.

    This seems to be a very effective rotation at the point. Dee gets
    his minutes to work on his game... John Bagley carries the Celts
    over the, after-the-half slump, which was the teams downfall for
    most of last season... Sherman Douglas comes in fresh (spot minutes
    in the first three) and hopefully beats the usual fourth quarter
    press which most teams throw at you...

    One of the best aspects of this rotation is the potential injury
    problems of the Celtics.  I think this team needs a new trainer.

    The other is the possibility of Dee being moved to shooting guard.
    I will predict that with his off-season work ethic he will come
    into next season with a 100% improved outside shot.

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From: alanj@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A Little Perspective on the Clippers
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:34:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr17.165747.10351@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu>, goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde) writes:
> In article <NOLTY.92Apr17093132@cithe304.cithep.caltech.edu> nolty@cithe304.cithep.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty) writes:
> 
>>The last time this franchise (Boston Braves at the time) made the playoffs,
>> o Gerald Ford was president
>> o People were listening to The Village People on their 8-tracks
>> o Everyone was excited about bicentennial quarters
>> o John Travolta was considered a pretty sexy guy
>> o Shaquille O'Neal was gearing up for kindergarten
> 
> o The Lakers missed the playoffs
> 
> Maybe the Clippers are the Lakers evil twins?
> 
> Chris Goedde
> goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu


Weren't they the Buffalo Braves though.  I thought that the Boston Braves were
the Atlanta Braves before they were the Milwakee Braves back before World War
2 in an entirely different sport.
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Tim Perry question.
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:08:14 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Tim is a graduate of Tempe and is from the New Jersey area.


    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Lottery
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:34:36 GMT

I said:
>Two years ago, Seattle [...] picked #2.
>[...] this event has a 0.033 probability.

Just to clarify:  The 0.033 probability is A PRIORI.  As it were,
New Jersey, who was the worst team of 89-90, had one of its 11 balls
come out for the first pick; so when Seattle's ball came out it
was a 2/(66-11) = 2/55 = 0.036 event.

It was a Timmy Hardaway layup in the last minute that beat Seattle,
dropping them to 41-41 and a tie with Houston.  The Rockets had the
tie-breaker, so they went to the playoffs, where they lost to the
Lakers in 4.  And Seattle got to draft Gary Payton.

--Gidi
From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Larry Bird, a real pro
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:06:24 GMT


	Yes. Bird was drafted in 1978, with the sixth overall pick. Magic was
drafted the next year, with the 1st overall pick. The reason Bird and Magic
shared rookie seasons is the old "junior eligible" rule. Basically, college
players became eligible after their initial class had completed four years in
college. Bird attended Indiana University in 1974, but quit before the season
started. He went to Indiana State the next year, at the urging of the people of
his hometown. After Bird's Junior year, he was eligible for the draft, because
his original graduating class had run out of eligibility. This meant that, even
when drafted, he could wait another year and enter the draft after his senior
year. Bird waited, and played his senior year, and signed with the Celtics 
before they lost his rights.
From: 6500s931@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Huggy Bear)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lakers Back On Top
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:30:02 GMT
Distribution: rec

Interesting that ever since George Mikan came along the Lakers
and Celtics have dominated the NBA like few teams in major league 
sports have.

Sure, they may have an occasional down season but they always bounce
back.

Possible Event:
	The Lakers may possibly miss the playoffs this year.  Wouldn't
it be just like the lakers to miss the playoffs, make one or two key
trades in the off season, then when the lottery and take Shaquille
O'neal and end up back among the NBA's elite.

It could happen.  


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