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From: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Drag&Drop doesnt work (Why??)
Date: 30 Jul 1992 07:47:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: planecrash.berkeley.edu


Trash your Desktop files.  They were corrupted during your optimization.
The Finder did its best to fix them (this explains the rebuild), but it
couldn't do a thorough enough job.

-- 
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Samuel S. Tai          | Wisdom is supreme, therefore get wisdom.
sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu | Though it cost you all you have, get understanding.
                       |                                -- Proverbs 4:7 (NIV)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Noriaki onodera)
Subject: ** Can I use KanjiTalk 6.0.2 on IIci ? **
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:52:45 GMT

Hi

I tried to install KJ6.0.2 on IIci but always failed, could not boot the
disk.

Do I need KanjiTalk 6.0.7 on IIci ?  Any idea ?

Thanks in advance.

Noriaki Onodera (noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au)

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10558 comp.sys.mac.hardware:14518
From: dave@prc.unisys.com (David Lee Matuszek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Hard disk doesn't automount -- suggestions wanted
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:42:16 GMT
Organization: Paoli Research Center - Paoli, PA


I have an external 105MB hard disk that no longer mounts when I start
my Mac.  It mounts easily upon request (using SCSI Probe) and works
perfectly thereafter, it just doesn't automount.

After mounting it once, it continues to mount.  If I do a Restart, the
disk mounts properly.  If I do a Shut Down (this is a IIsi, which
turns itself off when Shut Down), then restart my Mac, the disk
mounts.  It's only that first time that it doesn't mount.

It isn't a spin-up problem.  If I let the disk spin for 5 minutes
before turning on the Mac, the disk still doesn't automount.  Repeated
Mac reboots won't make it automount.

In short, the disk has to be "manually" mounted, one time only, after
each time the _disk_ is turned off.  Thereafter it works fine until
the next time I turn off power to the disk.

Rearranging the SCSI cables makes no difference.  A disk test program
reports no problems.  Disk First Aid had a hard time finding the disk
(it was mounted), but once found, it reported no problems.

How do I solve this one?  At this point I don't even have a clue
whether it's hardware or software.  The only thing I can think of to
try is to rebuild System 7 and see if that fixes anything.  Does
anybody recognize these symptoms?

a T d H v A a N n K c S e

  --dave

-- 
 -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   -    -
I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor)
Subject: Re: Why Q700 Rebuilds Dtop?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:27:56 GMT

nasadk@vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski) writes:
: I have found that if you have a Mac which normally uses System 7, but
: boot with System 6.x.x, the desktop gets rebuilt when you switch to
: System 7 again.

Umm, no...  the machine is running purely system 7...

Ken
-- 
 Ken Taylor              |  "I have a friend who's seen inside my tiny brain
 ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au  |   He's seen the aging and the mildew from the rain
 Curtin University       |   And he does what he can to keep on top of every
 Perth, W. Australia     |     one of them"     - Happy Rhodes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Minh Lang <minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Best Mac Programming Books & Languages ?
Organization: Jet propulsion Laboratory
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:40:00 GMT

In article <D88-JWA.92Jul29220822@dront.nada.kth.se> Jon W{tte,
d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se writes:
>   6) What magazines are oriented towards programming the Macintosh and
assume more
>      than a 'dumb user'. 
>
>_develop_ and MacTutor come to mind.

Where can I get "_develop_"? Is there a phone number that I can
call? Thanks.

  = Minh ==
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Remote shutdown
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:31:31 GMT

Is there an application which will shutdown networked computers remotely?
And if anyone has it, could you E-mail me a copy?

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smithc@lars.acc.stolaf.edu (Christopher A. Smith)
Subject: Re: Bad F-line instruction?
Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield (aka Cow Country), MN   USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:19:41 GMT

In article <15350005@hpsad.sad.hp.com> eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) writes:
>Try turning off 32 bit addressing.  I've found that a lot of programs that
>aren't 32 bit clean will give this error.
>
>Eric Lucas
>CAD Master E
>


At least in my case, the errors occur while *not* running 32-bit
addressing.  I don't trust System 7 *that* much to run 32-bit
addressing...

More to come...

  ==================================================================
			 Christopher A. Smith
       German & Mathematics -- St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
		     Internet:  smithc@stolaf.edu
From: dohle@vax2.concordia.ca (Gordon Dohle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: What we're missing by not using dos
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:46:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Couldn't help posting this, which I found on another
group. Names withheld to protect the innocent. ;-)


Gordon
Dohle@vax2.Concordia.ca


Subject: Re: OS/2 and SCSI
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:43:22 GMT

Well, I gave up and reinstalled.  IBM's support is less than
useless for problems like this; worse, they are a waste of time!

I now have:

Disk 1 (IDE)
1 Mb Boot Manager
C: FAT Primary
E: FAT

Disk 2 (SCSI)
1 Mb Boot Manager
D: FAT Primary
F: FAT
G: HPFS
H: HPFS (OS/2 Boot)

What is even more interesting, is that when I boot OS/2, all partitions
are accessible!  IBM is lying if they tell you that it won't work! 
Now if only OS/2 could have done a partial install to fix the
COUNTRY.SYS enigma; better yet, if only IBM knew what the heck
this bug means and how to fix it!  Anyway,
no problems at all booting from a SCSI disk from Boot Manager on
thefirst disk which is IDE, after a reinstall.  However, my desktop
is back to the default
:-(
From: jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:54:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

In article <1992Jul27.105206.24539@linus.mitre.org>, sjd@frieda.mitre.org
(Stephen J. Darragh) wrote:
> 
> If you have enough disk space to hold more than one copy of the system folder, you 
> can get System Switcher or System Picker.  These will allow you to have both systems
> and switch between the two.
> 
> Put Switcher on your machine.
> 
> Open the system folder and move the finder to some other location (up one level) and 
> this will unbless the system folder (the icon won't show up).
> 
> You can now instal Arabic or Hebrew on this machine, reboot and it will boot
> into that system.
> 
> Move the finder back to the english system folder.
> You can now use switcher to move between the two (or more) languages.
> This is a very simple way and works with no problems that I have run into and I have
> been using this for the past year.
> 

Yep, that will work, too.  I guess I'm less than enthusiastic about that as
a solution because it has a higher disk overhead and really isn't necessary
*if* you can successfully install Hebrew or Arabic in your English system
(as apparantly not everyone can do :-( ).  Right now, I can move back and
forth between English, Hebrew, and Chinese just by hitting command-space. 
It's rather nice.  

> John,
> 
>   Doing the hard way, is there any problem with the direction of text?
>   The only word processors that I know of for Arabic are AllScript and WinText.
>   The only DTP package that I have heard of is AllPage.
> 

Any program that uses the Script Manager correctly will handle bi-di text
correctly.  I don't know much about who does and who doesn't use the Script
Manager, beyond the fact that Nisus does and Word doesn't.  Word is a Bad
Program for people using non-Roman scripts (*sigh*).  The English version
of Nisus works perfectly with both Hebrew and Chinese so far as I can tell
(I installed Hebrew to learn it, not because I know it, so I can't test it
very extensively).   


John H. Jenkins
John_Jenkins@taligent.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:09:08 GMT

jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins) writes:
: 
: The easy way:
: 
: Use the Installer.  Install the Hebrew and Arabic systems over your
: English system one by one.  This will leave your whole system localized
: as either Hebrew or Arabic (depending on which you did last), but if you
: don't mind that, it's fast.
: 
: The hard way:
: 
: Install the Hebrew system (say) somewhere not over your English system. 
: Boot from your English system.  Copy the following from your Hebrew
: system folder and drop them on your English system folder; the Finder
: will put them in the right places.
: 
: #1.  The Hebrew extension (Extensions folder)
: #2.  The Hebrew control panels.
: #3.  The Hebrew fonts, keyboards, and script (the System file--the
: script has a little "world" icon).
: 
: This will do it.

I've tried this with the Arabic 7.0.1. It didn't work.

By the way, what's this "Hebrew extension"? There was one just like that (but
Arabic) in the Arabic system. What's it used for? All this extension does is
give me a sysbeep on startup (probably telling me something is wrong).

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
Department of medical systems                  Ph:  +46 18 187817
Sweden                                         Fax: +46 18 187825
From: seaney@robios.me.wisc.edu (Steve Seaney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How to Identify SE from SE/30
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:26:00 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory


The may sound silly but.... Is there a way to tell if the machine you
are using is an SE as opposed to an  SE30?  Our university has but
stickers over the location of the 'SE/30' sticker.  I've been told
that I have an SE/30 but I don't believe it...

THanks,
Steve
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  seaney@cae.wisc.edu        *  University of Wisconsin - Madison             
******************************  Systems Administrator
  608 / 262-5328             *  353 Mechanical Engineering                    
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: honson@orion.yorku.ca (Honson Kan)
Subject: Can MacX be run on Mac IIci? 
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: York University - CCS/US
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:21:45 GMT

hello,

Can MacX be run on a MacII ci?  What configuration is needed?
I have a MacII ci with 8M of memory.

Thanks,

Honson Kan
From: breck@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Liam Breck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Windows NT (Not a flame.)
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:56:20 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
> [lots of interesting stuff about NT, Apple, OOP, etc...]

Average consumers, academics and MISers don't buy operating systems,
IMHO.  They look for a fast box and useable applications.  Noone but
folks like us thinks about or even knows about the operating system.
To the rest of the world, the OS is part of the box.  Hence, the OS
must come with the box to be successful.  This is why MS has been
working so hard with manufacturers to have Windows come installed on
their boxes.  Still, folks I know have Windows that came with their
machines, but they turn it off and start up plain vanilla WordPerfect
or 123 to do their work.  To judge the success of Windows, OS/2, NT,
and Mac OS, let's look at the number of apps sold for each of those
systems last quarter (well, NT hasn't shipped yet).  I don't have
references, but I'm willing to bet that Mac apps outsold all the
others combined.  Anyone have details?  Refute or support me!

Will low cost hardware manufacturers and buyers really stray from the
standard Intel and DOS/Windows installation?  Only if a new box/OS
combination comes out that does everything that the old combination
does, but faster and easier.  So what hot new boxes are coming soon,
bundled with which OS, and what apps are available for them?  Well,
maybe Mips R4000 and NT!  But there's few apps...  And if it runs
DOS/Win apps, it'll be at an unacceptable crawl through emulation.
Hmm, how 'bout Intel's P5 chip and OS/2?  Guaranteed to run DOS/Win
apps!  But what clone maker will bundle OS/2?  Well, what about the P5
with DOS/Win?  A sure winner, but that's not a change in HW/SW
architecture, so eventually it's a dead end.  Hey how about that new
chip from IBM, Apple and Motorola?  Fastest RISC in the West on a
single chip!  The OS is System 7, stable and supported today.  There's
an established base of apps that set the standard for DOS/Win apps.
And we don't even need a fleet of RISC apps waiting when the machine
ships.  The toolbox calls will be executed from RISC ROMS, so
emulation should be acceptable.

The trio is even planning on licensing the technology!  Hey!  Does
that mean clones?  Looks like a potential winner here folks...  Hint:
buy stock in Apple before the release of the first PowerPC.  Ok, ok,
so I am unabashedly flag-waving.

Heck, maybe we should all be hoping that Apple will always be in the
number 2 position.  That means they have to try harder.  What do we
care if people who don't really think about their computer system
before buying get stuck with the industry standard?

No offense intended to anyone.  Please don't bother to flame, I won't
respond.
-- 
Liam Breck     breck@zonker.ecs.umass.edu
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Best Mac Programming Books & Languages ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:13:36 GMT

In article <RFROST.92Jul28202926@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au>, rfrost@degas.jrc.flinders.edu.au (Richard Frost) writes:
> 
> 
> For an experienced C programmer beginning to program a System 7 Mac..
> I'd like to know answers to the following:
> 
> 1) What are the BEST Technical References for Mac programming ..
>    especially ones that covers the System 7 API.

Inside Macintosh and the Apple Technical Notes.  For system 7, you need
volume VI of IM.  However, Apple is currently rewriting the entire
series (the first volumes will be available at MacWorld next week, and
will be in book stores in September).

> 2) What is the BEST C compiler to program the Mac in.. we currently
>    have Think C Version 4.0 (I just unwrapped it last week) and
>    was annoyed to find it was non-ANSI (it was dated 1989 so I was
>    not surprised). is the latest version (6.0??) ANSI?

Some Say MPW C; others say Think C 5.0 (6.0 isn't out yet).

> 3) What are the BEST books covering Mac Networking both at the user level
>    and programming level.

Michael Peirce has written an excellent book on programming AppleTalk.
 
> 4) Are there any books that describe Apple's QuickTime extension for programmers.
>                                                                      ===========

I believe that Apple has one available through APDA.

> 5) What are the advantages of registering as a Apple Developer??.. how much
>    more information can you get?

I'll pass on that one.
 
> 6) What magazines are oriented towards programming the Macintosh and assume more
>    than a 'dumb user'. 

I think that MacTutor is the only one that fits that description.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: short@microcom.com (Todd Short)
Subject: Re: new Inside Mac : Pascal or C ?
Reply-To: short@microcom.com
Organization: Microcom, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:54:12 GMT

In article 740@cnedcu51.bitnet, ifstadelmann@cnedcu51.bitnet (Patrick Stadelmann) writes:
> Hi
> Does anyone know if the new Inside Mac will be written in C or in Pascal ?
>					Thank you 

The problem of using both C and Pascal is the calling convention! C places the
last argument on the stack first, Pascal puts the first argument on first. Also, 
in C, the caller is supposed to clean up the stack, in Pascal, the callee does
this. If you were able to use straight C in programming a Mac, then Apple would
have to modify a lot of system calls. Windows uses the Pascal structure, and the
"keyword" _pascal must be used in C to prototype it.  As in:

	extern far _pascal FunctionToBeCalled(...);

Do any Mac C programmer's know if this is true?
---
-Todd Short
/* short@python.eng.microcom.com */
/* I don't own a Mac, but I'd like to buy one on TV */
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: "Get Info" reports different size when file is moved
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:39:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: early-bi.1592g8INNptm
Distribution: usa
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com

In article <1992Jul30.141956.13014@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> poster writes:
>The specific situation.
>----------------------
>Mac with system 7 is used to create an MS-Word file (with one word in it).
>Get Info reports file is:		3K (2048 bytes used)

>Document is transferred to floppy.
>Get Info reports this copy is:	2K (2048 bytes used)

>Floppy put into system 6 Mac, Get Info shows same as previous (2K)

>Document copied to system 6 Mac's hard drive (a large drive ~1.2GB)

>Get Info reports this copy is:	17K (2048 bytes used)
>----------------------
>Why would 17K of disk space be needed to store a 2K document.  I know there is
>some overhead with format info, directory info and pointers, but
>a 17:2 ratio?  Would sectors on a large capacity drive be much larger (some
>minimum greater than 2K)?  Or does it relate to a difference in the way system
>6 and system 7 handle these things?

Disk space is allocated in "volume allocation units," which aren't
necessarily sectors. The Mac keeps track of which VAUs are allocated
in a bitmap for each volume. The bitmap has a fixed size, which means
that your 1.2GB disk, with about 2,400,000 sectors, doesn't have very
many more VAUs than your 800K floppy, with 1600 sectors. 

So, what you're seeing is that the big disk's VAU is 34 sectors (17K).
You simply can't allocate any less space than that for a non-empty
file. If this is a significant problem, partition your disk. The
smaller volumes will have smaller VAUs. 

This is unrelated to System 7/6 differences. The volume organization
is unchanged since the introduction of HFS around System 4.1(?). Of
course, nobody had a 1.2GB disk on their Mac then. 

-- 
Ephraim Vishniac    ephraim@think.com   ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com
 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
From: sasaki@physics20 (Yutaka Sasaki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk on LC
Date: 25 Jul 1992 00:11:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics20.berkeley.edu

In article <F54713.92Jul24162445@sakura.sakura.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp> f54713@sakura.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ellis Yan-Chee Lau) writes:
> >>
> >Just get latest version of KanjiTalk (6.0.7 or 6.0.7.1).  It will let 
> >your LCs read and write Japanese!
>
>In addition, get GomTalk and it will let you use KanjiTalk under system 7.
>
>--

In addition, using another third party system extension SweetJAM will be
more benefitial for the beginer of Japanese.  This extension will change
your System7 into Japanese-available system.  All the menu will remain
in the original style, namely English.  Also you can use your MS-word
as a Kanji-capable word processor under this system.  Means you have
no need to purchase expensive Japanese-word-processor for your KanjiTalk.
This system extension's FEP is not so nice but is OK.

Yutaka Sasaki         (sasaki@physics.berkeley.edu)
                      (73600.1015@compuserve.com)
                      (QGA01015 at NIFTYServe)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor)
Subject: Why Q700 Rebuilds Dtop?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:51:15 GMT

We have a Quadra 700 here which has a Seagate 250Mb drive...

It has been formatted with a number of different disk formatters:
1) Jasmine DriveWare
2) SCSI Director Pro 1.8
3) SilverLining 5.31/12  (I know this isn't the latest version)

Every time the machine starts up, it rebuilds the desktop in the 
boot partition....

The System has been reinstaled from scratch (7.0.1 with TuneUp 1.1.1)

Any ideas, comments, suggestions...

Ken
-- 
 Ken Taylor              |  "I have a friend who's seen inside my tiny brain
 ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au  |   He's seen the aging and the mildew from the rain
 Curtin University       |   And he does what he can to keep on top of every
 Perth, W. Australia     |     one of them"     - Happy Rhodes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Print Util to Skip Pages?
From: zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo)
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:30:49 -0600
Distribution: com.sys.mac.programmer
Organization: Winona State Academic Computing

  Hello, 
  We are attempting to print a document from MS Word 5.0a to a LaserWriter
IInt, and would really like to be able to print on both sides of the pages 
(it's approx 90 pages long).  Now the standard print dialog box under System 
7.0.1 has no option to skip pages, is there a utility out there that will 
allow a person to send a print job out yet onyl print the even or odd pages?

  We would prefer PD software, or shareware, but commercial will do.



 - Thanks in advace.

     Greg Talmo (zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: mikew@kpc.com (Mike Wexler)
Subject: Re: Windows NT (Not a flame.) and C++ comments
Reply-To: mikew@kpc.com
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:33:30 GMT

bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes:

>maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) writes:
>You are right, OOP is a good thing, but its features certainly can't be
>used for everything.  I'd personally shudder at writing a UNIX C compiler
>in C++.  What would the objects be?  Would they be function definitions?
>Could they feasibly be individual statements where compound statement objects
>would have other statement objects?  Yes, you could write it in C++ without
>using all the object stuff, but the basic compilation process is too 
>algorithmically intensive to bother with objects.  The ++ overhead would
>slow down numerous method calls (the way C++ objects are implemented).

  Just like functional decomposition takes considerable thought when designing
a program, object decomposition takes a lot of thought. Both can and often
are done badly. Both have performance ramifications.
  In the case of a compiler some of the obvious objects are things like 
symbol tables, parse trees, and tokens. One thing to note, is that there
is a tradeoff between the grain of the objects and the performance.
For instance, if your objects are very coarse you have very little 
C++ overhead, but very little gain from the object-orientedness. If you
granularity is very small, everything is object-oriented, but the C++
overhead because a much greater concern.
--
Mike Wexler (mikew@kpc.com)