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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:09:04 PST
From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:      More on "press councils"

Patrik brought up the issue of libel and national and racial hatred etc.
These are very specific issues and they are covered by law. I know they
are in effect in CSFR, because the recent publisher of "Protocols of
the elders of Zion" is under investigation for exactly this reason.
True, the process is lengthy and difficult, but it's there.

But apart from that, it is natural (and, arguably, desirable) that
the media is biased. To various degrees, any and all newpapers in
CSFR could be accused of "slanted" and "incomplete" reporting. It
would only depend on the composition of the "council" which one of
"Pravda," "Novy Slovak," "Rude Pravo," "Ruda kravo," "Lidove Noviny,"
"Zmena," "Respekt," "Spigl," or "Bratislavsky Vecernik" would be
shut down and its journalists jailed. Should we close down and
jail "National Enquirer" and "New York Post," about which ALL of us
will agree that there is no serious journalism there? What about
"Rohac" and "Dikobraz"? Would they be exempt? What form do you have
to fill out to petition for exempting a journal from the rigid
criteria set up by the "council" on a basis of being a "humorous
journal"? If "Ruda kravo" had a status of "humorous journal"
(which I think it should) how could the "council" enforce its
infinite wisdom agaist their publication of the list of StB
collaborators?

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:59:21 -0500
From:         PMUZILA@MACALSTR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: "Non-antagonistic contradictions"

   Laci presented a very nice but probably too simplistic solution to the
problem of the store selling bread for 20 Kcs. He is right in the principle
of how a market should solve this problem. Marian, the major problem
empasized also by Laci is that the store is there alone and this allows it to
set its own prices. We should ask: Why is not there competition that would
bring the price to 15 KCS?{
        I think that other firms{_ should be encouraged to enter the
market. A tax-reform can work pretty efficiently{

        I cannot{ continue typing sincccccccc{e the{computer does not work
properly. (??{) I'll join you {aterw3.PAtrik{Muzila
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From:         Paul Mego <PMEGO3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Re:Press control

(sorry, I cut myself off...) to continue, I was wondering if Dubcek may have
 been more successful '67-'68 if he had been able to keep a little more
 influence over the newly freed and therefore really enthusiastic press who
 wanted to take full advantage of their new power. Perhaps some scrutiny...
 in some situations...is beneficial. Also, concerning the present situation
 in Slovakia, these kinds of transitions--political, social, economic---from
Communist, centrally planned to democratic, free market-type societies are
new phenomena...they must be considered from a relatively open-minded
perspective. With care the transition phase will result in  fully functioning
democracies as we know them but it is difficult to achieve overnight.
Paul Mego  email: PMEGO3@UA1VM.BITNET at the University of Alabama.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:54:24 -0500
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      bug

   I heard recentl;y that the technician who claims to have installed
the bugs at the US consulate in Bratislava has turned himself in to
the newspaper Narodna Obroda.   Can someone from Slovakia  confimr and
elaborate on this?   Who did he say he was working for, if in fact he
is the one?

    Jan George Frajkor       _!_
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:16:31 EST
From:         "Thomas R. Rocek" <FJH00383@UDELVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: C-S Crown exchange rates
              15 Dec 1992 08:49:45 PST from <pannon@BCSFSE.CA.BOEING.COM>

From the last few issues of CAROLINA:

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EXCHANGE RATE of the Czechoslovak Crown

          purchase         sale
USA 1USD    27.73          29.13
FRG 1DEM    17.75          18.67
GB  1GBP    42.97          46.11
CAN 1CAD    21.34          22.90
FRA 1FRF     5.18           5.50
AUT 1ATS     2.51           2.63

The rates are as of December 9, 1992.
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EXCHANGE RATES of the Czechoslovak crown
            purchase         sale
USA   1USD     27.95        29.35
FRG   1DEM     17.57        18.49
GB    1GBP     41.86        45.00
CAN   1CAD     21.24        22.80
FRA   1FRF      5.13         5.45
AUT   1ATS      2.50         2.62

The rates are as of Dec. 2, 1992.
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          purchase        sale
USA 1USD     27.96       29.36
FRG 1DEM     17.51       18.43
GB  1GBP     41.84       44.98
FRA 1FRF      5.15        5.47
AUT 1ATS      2.49        2.61

The rates are as of November 26, 1992.

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:39:09 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: "Non-antagonistic contradictions"

Mr. Marian Kubaska asks what ought one do if an ex-communist set up a
bread store and sold bread at 20 KCS?

If the cost of making that unit of bread is less than 20KCS then you ought
to line up your flower suppliers, ask your firnds to invest in your venture,
and make and sell bread at 19KCS.

If then I find that bread can be made for less than 19KCS I would then do
the same and sell it for 18KCS.  And other entrepreneurs will do likewise.

Three things will result from this:
1. bread will soon be sold at prices justa bove cost plus reasonable
profit established by the market.
2. your ex-communist business man will have to lower his/her price or
go out of business,
3. there will be bread comming out your ears.

A fundamental assumption here is ofcourse that the free market will have to
operate without government interference.  and what about the indigents you might
 say, who can not afford the initial higher prices?  Frankly, social programs
and institutional efforts will look after them.  For this later comment I in-
vite you to look at Sweden, Norway, Holland, not at the US.  I am afraid the
US is not a shining example of social programs.  However, the lack of social
programs in the US is changing with some of the comical results as in Berkley,
CA, Boulder, CO, etc.

Sincerely,
Laci Pook
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:45:13 -0700
From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: "Non-antagonistic contradictions"

PMuzila, you were being critical of me and that is why your computer
was acting up.
Laci P.
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:09:39 EST
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Lorenz and the others
              "KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS" at Dec 18, 92 3:27 pm

KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS writes:
>
> Mr Marcinka writes:
>
> > Re Lorenz, there has been speculation that he will chose the
> > citizenship (C vs S) based on where he can get out of going to prison.
> > In another Pravda article, about 3 weeks ago, he was saying how
> > much more democratic Slovakia is compared to Bohemia, because
> > Weiss (the leader of SLD a.k.a. Communist Party of Slovakia) holds
> > a position in the Slovak parliament, and Svoboda, his counterpart
> > in the Czech lands, does not. I won't be surprised if he's
> > a Slovak citizen soon, and all of his past "mistakes" will be kindly
> > pardoned, in the name of human rights. Sigh...
>
> It is more probable that Mr Lorenz would be set free in CR (Mr Havel
> is as good as czech president and he said that in this case an
> amnesty will took place again).

       Anyone who thinks the Czech Republic is behaving democratically
in enforcing the anti-communist laws is urged to read the November
issue of New Yorker magazine, where there is the second of two
articles about the well-known Czech journalist Jan Kavan.  They cite
pretty good sources.
    the gist of it is that his life and career have been ruined by the
accusations against him when , it would appear, his credentials as a
dissident and democrat are impeccable.
    It is interesting also that the wife of Josef Skvorecky, the
writer and owner of a Canadian anti-Communist publishing house called
'68 press' (he published Havel's stuff when Havel was proscribed), has
also been "exposed" by the published list as an StB collaborating
agent.

    Jan George Frajkor       _!_
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:30:38 -0400
From:         NABELEK@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: sl. denniky

Lubosh,

I was out of town for longer periods of time and was unable to respond to
various older postings and comment on newer ones for a longer time.  I have
started to go through the older mail now and intend to post my comments here.
I am starting with answering your question and hope to get to other ones in the
near future.

>NABELEK@UTKVX.BITNET writes:
>>the SLOVENSKY DENNIK should be prescribed, in spite, that it is
>uncertain for
>>how long it will be allowed to be published in the started manner.
>Well, I am a bit uncertain what kind of ban can possibly fall on a paper
>like SLovensky' denni'k ? It is an opposition paper, but I don't see any
>reason why its publication should be stopped by anyone, and for what
>reason ? I'd appreciate an explanation...

I have just written what my source from Bratislava told me.  I am not sure what
he/she had in mind, but I guess there have been two possibilities.
1)      The lack of money which could have three reasons:
        a) no interest of people reading the newspaper
        b) no interest of the employees of the newsstands to sell the
                newspaper; I was told in Bratislava that often one has to ask
                the salesman if he/she has it for sale because it was not
                dispalyed
        c) the present distribution system will not distribute it and the
                newspaper
2)      The present Slovak administration (government) has made various
statements re control of the news media, respectively punishement of individual
reporters (e.g., Zitny was supposed to be put on trial for some TV statements)
who are critical of the present premier Meciar government.  It seems to me that
any Slovak journalists has reason to be apprehensive about the future of his
free writing.

Igor Nabelek
present government.
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 >     You don't need the government you need a market economy.  When
 >    any product including housing is priced so high no one can buy it
 >    the price comes down in a market economy.  When the government
 >    regulates the price it stays high while quality comes down.
 >
 >  Jim Brown

       The only trouble is that here is no market economy
       but here already are "market" prices.

       I certainly have no doubt that it works in USA,Canada,BRD,...


Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
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Mr. Marcinka,
I have no doubt that it is convenient for you to criticise my
"socialist" views (may be you are more socialist than I am) from
the USA. (Excuse ne if I'm wrong).


> Mr Kubaska, I have a bit of trouble understanding how will the
> government control of prices help CS (or S) on the road to market
> economy?

  It could prevent the social revolts that won't be of any help to it.

  You may have a look at my previous posting, where I put down that
  only basic food and housing have to be regulated. And regulated in
  such a manner that disables enormous profits of some "businessmen".
  I spent some time in US and Canada so that I know what the usual
  family shopping looks like. But here are no such possibilities as
  take a car drive all town up and down and buy the foods where the
  prices are lowest because you know it from the adds in your
  newspaper. We have some businessmen here that take it seriously and
  try to keep the prices as low as possible (fortunately this is the
  case of the part ot the town I live in). But what would you use
  against former communist potentate that defrauded money then
  privatised the only store in suburb and now is selling bread for say
  20 KCS ?



> You may also be interested in a tidbit of local trivia. Berkeley, CA
> .........

Thanks, it is interesting new knowledge about life in US.

Respectfuly,

Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
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Subject:      Re: Re:Press control
              19 Dec 1992 00:41:17 -0500 from <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>

Does anyone on this discussion have knowledge/thoughts about how the
new political entity of Slovakia will affect higher educaition there?
Thanks.  Liz Hawthorne
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Please, unsubcribe me from SLOVAK-L list
Thanx.

                    UTRRBLAZ@savba.cs
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:50:09 MET
From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: Excellent...?

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 07:49:39 MET,
"Milan Jira" <ULIMJ@cspuni12.bitnet> wrote:

(some stuff deleted)

>
>  Some parts of Jan's recent postings are "at least" about to
>  be subject of discussion...

That's what's makes this list reasonable...
"Demokrace tot' diskuse" should be a well known quote to you!


>  (e.g. Trnava and Charles Univers.,

I would be really glad if you could convince me, that I was
not right!

>  Bugs in U.S. consulate in Bratislava,

I stressed that my information is not complete because of lack
of time. After reviewing the assasination of Mr Svoboda I
expressed the opinion that it would be better if about this
"Slovak matter" would report one of our Czech friends.

>  comments on Mr. Svoboda
>  health status (I am working at the University Hospital where he
>  is treated)... or inappropriate.

I didn't give any comments about Mr Svoboda's health status, but
I only tried to resume the reports of Czech and Slovak media
about his injuries caused by the attack. Maybe it wasn't quite
professional in terminology (as far as I remember there was not
published any official medical communique), but you may not
accuse me that I gave an quite inobjective picture about the
assasination.

>   Milan Jira, M.D., Ph.D.
>   Medical Faculty, Charles University
>   Prague, Czechoslovakia



Jan

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From:         POOK@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: TU

Hopefully, as the roots of democracy take hold, and as democratic
institutions evolve in Slovakia, government interference in areas such
as acedemic life and policies will be recognized and dealt with as such:
interference.

Short of the freedom of the press nothing ensures the survival of a
democratic society as well as the protection of academic freedoms.  For as
Dr. Kucera observed even when government encroachment on academic freedoms
is not overt such as in the US, the results of government funds supporting
higher education can be sinister if left unchecked.
LP
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From:         Jan Sefcik <sefcik@IMAFS.IMA.UMN.EDU>

Mr. Zlatuska,

thank you for an update on the Trnava University case.

                Jano Sefcik
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In article <9212041833.AA24534@atc.boeing.com> Joe Pannon,
pannon@BCSFSE.CA.BOEING.COM writes:
>Nobody denied the existence of Slovaks in Greater Hungary.  Especially
>not in 1912, just a few years before they decided to opt out of Hungary.
>The only thing I question is how long ago it was that the idea of
>independent Slovakia was inserted into their consciousness.  My sense of
>it tells me that it happened less than 200 years ago, some time in the
>last century.  
Joe, with all respect to your previous postings, I don't now understand -
what exactly is wrong if the national consciousness of the Slovak nation
was only defined 200 years ago? As far as I know the existence of Slovaks
as a nation was denied many times but others - even by their own
president a few years after Czechoslovakia came to being... Also I
believe if there was no definition of Slovakia as an independent nation
between the 10th and the middle of the 19th century, then surely there
was a strong feeling of membership to the group of Slavic nations - and
that's what made it impossible to feel to belong to the Hungarian nmation
which is in a very different language group. They just couldn't
understand why should they feel to belong under Hungary when they
couldn't understand Hungarian, and on the other hand they could
communicate with the Czechs, Poles, or Ukrainians without a great
difficulty.
Regards,
Lubosh
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:59:21 -0500
From:         NABELEK@UTKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Assasination of the Czech Communist Party leader

Jan Szelepcsenyi writes:

>Moravian members of MP, who
>announced the creation of a separate Moravian parliament

>I have to confirm, that a part of the MPs, voting
>against the divorce of both nations, gave an impression, that a


>The main spokesman of this group was the MP Mr Zeman
>from the Czechoslovak Social Democratic Party

May be the vast majority of participants of this discussion group knows exactly
what "MP" stands for.  I don't.  Can you tell me that?

By the way, I would guess that those of us who do not live in CSFR and are not
familar with all the different abbreviations being used there would appreciate
the definitions of authors abbreviations in individual contributions.  Thanks!
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From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      Thanks for congratulation

Friends:

Thanks a lot for your kind congratulations. I hope we can stay
in touch. Because, according to Germans, "durch das Sprechen
kommen die Menschen naher", i.e. the talking is cutting the
distance between people. Our list is something like a big
family: sometimes joking, sometimes argueing.  A good school
improving not only our communication skills, but our democratic
behaviour, too.

Briefly said, it's worth to be in...


Best regards to all,

Jan


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From: lexa@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lexa matej)
Subject: Re: Exchange rates
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:54:09 GMT

benes@itk.unit.no (Mila Benes) writes:

>In article <9212152231.AA08816@relay2.UU.NET>,         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET writes:
>|>  
>|> Surprisingly, yes. I expected the rate to go through the roof; instead
>|> it went slightly down since the revolution (from about 1:35 to about
>|> 1:28). In my opinion, this is partially the effect of the policies
>|> 
>|> --Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)

>Please allow a little comment. You compare with the US$, but that is a moving target ! (The US currency is "floating".) A comparison with the European currency unit (ECU) would seem to be more appropriate.

>Best regards,
>Mila Benes (benes@itk.unit.no)

And if you compared it with a basket of currencies where dollar's weight is
about 40%, you would get a constant exchange rate, because that is how the
present rate is determined.


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