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From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 05:33:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


forw what it's worth: i'm just glad to see some postings here!

(and hi kpt, if you're there)

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From: rdm2@donner.uucp (24337-mcburnett)
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:51:37 GMT

In article <DRW.92Sep8135859@nevanlinna.mit.edu> drw@nevanlinna.mit.edu
   (Dale R. Worley) writes:
>If one searches backwards (using a negative argument to S), is the
>point left at the beginning of the string (so that -Sstring$ when
>executed repeatedly finds successive occurrences backwards), or is the
>point left at the end of the string (as when S searches forward)?
>
>Dale
>
>Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
>--
>Measure with a micrometer.  Mark with chalk.  Cut with an axe.

According to my digital TECO pocket guide (C)1978
"Searches:
Searches that fail leave the pointer at position 0
Successful searches leave pointer after text found

nStext$:  Searches for the nth occurrence of the specified
text (following the pointer), but does not go beyond the end of the
current text buffer.  

-nStext$  Same as nStext$ but the search proceeds backwards  
"

As that is not very helpful... I remember using the -nStext$ command and,
as I remember it, the pointer is put at the beginning of the search string.
Certainly successive -S commands would find previous versions of the
string.

-Roe
Roe D McBurnett III Bellcore (908)699-2273 rdm2@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
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From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:18:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.205137.1229@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, rdm2@donner.uucp (24337-mcburnett) writes:
> According to my digital TECO pocket guide (C)1978
> "Searches:
> Searches that fail leave the pointer at position 0
> Successful searches leave pointer after text found

It varied by version. The primitive ones did exactly that - the more
advanced (human engineered :-) versions put the pointer where you would
want it.
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         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:40:25 GMT

In article <DRW.92Sep8135859@nevanlinna.mit.edu>, drw@nevanlinna.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
> If one searches backwards (using a negative argument to S), is the
> point left at the beginning of the string (so that -Sstring$ when
> executed repeatedly finds successive occurrences backwards), or is the
> point left at the end of the string (as when S searches forward)?

In the absence of any modifying characteristics, the pointer is left at the 
end of the string always.  A subsequent -s...$ will find the same string 
again.  You have to do -2s$ or ^S-1r-s$ to find the next previous occurrence.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
From: marcy@world.std.com (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:23:51 GMT

In article <DRW.92Sep8135859@nevanlinna.mit.edu> Dale R. Worley writes:

>If one searches backwards (using a negative argument to S), is the
>point left at the beginning of the string (so that -Sstring$ when
>executed repeatedly finds successive occurrences backwards), or is the
>point left at the end of the string (as when S searches forward)?

Quoting the PDP-11 TECO User's Guide, February 1980, referring
to TECO-11 V36:

  -nStext$   Identical to "nStext$" except that the search proceeds
             in the reverse direction. If the string is not found, the
             pointer is positioned immediately before the first character
             in the buffer and an error message is printed. If the pointer
             is positioned at the beginning of or within an occurrence of
             the desired string, that occurrence is considered to be the 
             first one found. Upon successful completion, the pointer is
             positioned after the last character in the string found.

I think the last sentence says it all.

Regards,

Marcy
 
Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Enhanced VTEDIT?
Organization: Solbourne, User Interface Group
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:35:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.155333.1707@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
koning@koning.enet.dec.com writes:
>Run it through SQU.TEC to make it smaller, of course...

It looked like it was uuencoded, so I tried to uudecode the source
that was posted, but it didn't seem to work.  Can you repost it?

Warner

P.S.  Just in case:	"It's a joke son" :-)
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I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.
Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:46:32 GMT

In article <DRW.92Sep8135859@nevanlinna.mit.edu> drw@nevanlinna.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
>If one searches backwards (using a negative argument to S), is the
>point left at the beginning of the string (so that -Sstring$ when
>executed repeatedly finds successive occurrences backwards), or is the
>point left at the end of the string (as when S searches forward)?
>
>Dale
>
>Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
>--
>Measure with a micrometer.  Mark with chalk.  Cut with an axe.

At the end of the string.

Mark
Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: Re: Enhanced VTEDIT?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.155333.1707@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning) writes:
> Here's one that uses ANSI mode and makes some of the VT200 keys work.
> It also handles bigger screens (such as tall windows on workstations).
> Run it through SQU.TEC to make it smaller, of course...  

Hmm  Looks as though SQU would not have much to do :-)

> @^UI$[0 [1 [2 [3 [4 [5 [6 [7 [8 [9 ^[ 0,0X4 7:WU4 [4 Q4"N 0,7:W^[ '
> 10U4 [4 ETU4 [4 EUU4 [4 EDU4 [4
> ^D ET&512"E @^A/?Sorry, no interactive scope is available
> / @^U0/-1/ @O!BAD! ' 128,32768#16#8#1ET -1EU 1,0ED
> ET&4096"N 96EE '
> @^U0%.ABCDEFGH..KLMN.PQRSTUVWXYZ[\...%
> 32@^U1// 9:@^U1// 44:@^U1// 13:@^U1// 10:@^U1//
> @^U3/#32768U9 ET"L 0U7 Q1"N Q1U7 0U1 Q9#64U9 |
>  Q9&8"N QM,Q9:WU7 | 0Q3"E Q9#64U9 ' Q9:WU7 '
> Q7&255U7 Q7&128"N -1U7 ' ' | 3U7 ' Q7/
etc
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From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:10:22 GMT


In article <DRW.92Sep8135859@nevanlinna.mit.edu>, drw@nevanlinna.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
|>If one searches backwards (using a negative argument to S), is the
|>point left at the beginning of the string (so that -Sstring$ when
|>executed repeatedly finds successive occurrences backwards), or is the
|>point left at the end of the string (as when S searches forward)?
|>
|>Dale
|>
|>Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
|>--
|>Measure with a micrometer.  Mark with chalk.  Cut with an axe.

That's not a religious question..  The answer is "the latter".
The only difference between forward and backward search is the direction
"dot" is moved in between successive compares of the target string
against the buffer contents.  Note, for example, that -S will find the
string that begins at "dot" (since that is the first string compared).
Similarly, -::S and ::S are equivalent.

Now if you want to rephrase that as a religious question, you might ask
"how SHOULD it work".   :-)

	paul

Newsgroups: alt.lang.teco
From: drw@nevanlinna.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Religious question -- negative arguments for S
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:58:59 GMT

If one searches backwards (using a negative argument to S), is the
point left at the beginning of the string (so that -Sstring$ when
executed repeatedly finds successive occurrences backwards), or is the
point left at the end of the string (as when S searches forward)?

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
Measure with a micrometer.  Mark with chalk.  Cut with an axe.
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: GHAWRYSC@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA
Subject: a
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:27:42 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
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From: dangold1@iastate.edu (Daniel M Goldman)
Subject: Re: PDS 7.1 and VB for DOS
Keywords: Basic
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:22:00 GMT

In <1992Sep11.170911.10425@microsoft.com> fredf@microsoft.com (Fred Freeland) wr

>I don't know what you're reading into our press release.  Visual Basic
>for DOS still has virtually all of the important features of Basic PDS 7.1
>while adding the ability to create windowed, event driven programs like
>Visual Basic for Windows.  These two products are not in competition with
>each other. Visual Basic for Windows is for developers who want to develop
>Windows applications. Visual Basic for MS-DOS is for developers who have
>not yet committed to Windows development. Believe it or not, there are
>a lot of people out there that are quite content to use character-mode
>applications (DOS Apps) rather than graphical (Windows Apps) ones.



>--
>Frederick F. Freeland Jr.                        "Of all the things I've lost,

Frederick-
 I for one appreciate your responding.  It's sometimes hard to know who to
believe, but it's a lot tougher to know WHAT to believe when you haven't
even heard the other side of the story.  Not to say that there aren't
legitimate gripes out there.  I'm just glad you are taking the time to
provide some information on balance...  -DmG

Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: laned@athena.ecs.csus.edu (Douglas A. Lane)
Subject: Questions about VB/DOS, any answers out there ?
Keywords: Basic Visual
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 17:17:00 GMT

Hi everyone out there !!  I received this wonderful brouchure from
MS about VB/DOS, but after reading it I have some questions that
one of you might have answers for... and they are:

(Oh please mail the replys to me, I will post "the" answers after
the information has been compiled.. wouldn't want to clog the system)

1.      Can one move forms/code/projects between VB/DOS and VB without
        any changes ?  Here are some assumptions about the project:
		- there are no API calls
		- there is no grapical type code (like in PAINT.BAS)
		- there are very few icons used.
 
2.      With VB there is a standard and professional version.  Are there
        2 different versions with VB/DOS as well ?
 
3.      There is a mention to a Help Toolkit.
3A      Does that mean there is a WinHelp.EXE (or something like that) with
        VB/DOS ?
3B      Does the toolkit have more than just the Help Compiler ? Does the
        Help ToolKit require that one buys Word for Windows, or Word for
        DOS ?  (or) Is there a WYSIWYG editor/builder for help files ?
 
4.      Can the help files created under Windows be used under DOS ?  I assume
        that the help files will not be as pretty.. but may be functional.
 
5.      Can VB/DOS take advantage of the graphic controls (like the graph,
        spinner, and animator (etc)  ? )
 
6.      Are there plans to allow VB (Windows) to create custom controls using
        BASIC like VB/DOS ?
 
7.      Does VB/DOS support all Professional controls from VB ?
 
8.      Is it required that we purchase Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 to take advantage
        of using C functions ?  (Can we by Quick C ?)
 
9.      Will MS ever develop a "real" DIR$ or CURDIR$ which returns the entire
        directory header for a file or directory, not just the name ?  Is there
        a (C like) stat function for BASIC that I do not know about ?
 
10.     Can custom controls written in VB/DOS be brought to VB ?  (This is
        probably a "no", but no harm in asking)
 
	Thanks a great deal ahead of time.  I appreciate any help anyone can
	give me.

Doug Lane

daLane (laned@athena.ecs.csus.edu)  
One decade of programming experiences.. in BASIC !
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From: robin@vipunen.hut.fi (Jarto 'Robin' Tarpio)
Subject: Re: DOS 5 and QBasic
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Sep11.171855.10734@microsoft.com>
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:35:01

In article <1992Sep11.171855.10734@microsoft.com> fredf@microsoft.com (Fred Freeland) writes:
   Microsoft Windows programs. Most programs developed with VB/DOS are character-
   mode applications that look essentially like VB/DOS itself, in that they
   can have windows, menus, mouse-support, etc.

The old compilers were character-based. Are the windows, menus etc especially
created for graphics screens and can the windows be moved around ?

/robin
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic,news.answers
From: robin@vipunen.hut.fi (Jarto 'Robin' Tarpio)
Subject: Re: Hisoft Basic (Was: Re: Compiled BASIC for the ATARI ST's)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<ROBIN.92Sep12230230@vipunen.hut.fi> <2483@tymix.Tymnet.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:42:23

In article <2483@tymix.Tymnet.COM> pnelson@natasha.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson) writes:
> I apologise. It was the absoft compiler, not HiSoft. I got home, looked
> at the bookshelf where my BASIC manuals are gathering dust, and there
> it was, AC/BASIC, by absoft. Copywright 1987. I guess my info _is_ a
> little out of date.

	It is then _lot_ out of day. I used to program with that AC/BASIC
	before HiSoft BASIC and the difference is huge ! AC/BASIC is a lot
	slower, makes bigger code, has bugs and lacks some new features.

> The HiSoft compiler sounds good. I think I will check it out, thanks.

	HiSoft BASIC works even with the new WB3.0 and A4000.

> Maybe I will port that program after all, you make it sound so easy. :-)

	Once you have done it, the next ones will be a lot easier.

/robin
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: fredf@microsoft.com (Fred Freeland)
Subject: Re: PDS 7.1 and VB for DOS
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:26:55 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: Basic

In article <60275@mimsy.umd.edu> biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow) writes:
>
>"virtually"? Could you elaborate on what features it does not 
>have?
>
>If it's just new reserved words, no problem. But if applications
>cannot be easily ported, that's a big problem...
>
Right off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single thing that was
in BC 7.1 that is not in VB/DOS with the exception of the User Interface
toolkit, which now becomes redundant since the the features
provided by that add-on are now incorporated into the language itself.


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Redmond, WA 98052 (206) 882-8080                                                                                                                                internet: fredf@microsoft.com                                                   arpanet:  fredf%microsoft@uw-beaver.ARPA
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From: z_harbergt@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: VB for DOS Language Features?
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:56:10 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


  To All:

  I've read the press release, the PCWeek Lab report, and the various posts
 here on alt.lang.basic and am still wondering about the VBDOS implementation
 of the BASIC language.  I gleemed from the PCWeek article that:

       The QuickBASIC implementation of the BASIC language is a "subset,"
       of the VBDOS implementation of the BASIC language.  Thus all QB
       code will work with VBDOS; only needing a recompile.  All QB 
       libraries will also need recompiling - so you need the source!
      
 VBDOS being a "superset" implies new language features.  I'm aware that
 many of these new language features will be centered upon the event-driven, 
 windows-n-forms driven design paradigm, but I'm still seeking information
 on specific new language features.

 In other words, I'm trying to make up my mind as to which "flavor" of
 VBDOS to upgrade to (Standard or Professional).  I never went up to PDS
 because it was more than I needed, but did contain a lot of features that
 I desired (e.g. EMS workspace, far strings, arrays in records).  Also, for
 years, QB programmers have clammered for pointer data types, library
 granularity, and various video, comm, etc desires.

 Would or could anyone comment on specific new language features in VBDOS,
 and discriminate between what's in the Professional version that's not in
 the Standard version.  Many thanks in advance.

 Greg Harber                        Internet: z_harbergt@ccsvax.sfasu.edu 
 Stephen F. Austin State University
From: biow@cs.umd.edu (chris biow)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: PDS 7.1 and VB for DOS
Keywords: Basic
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:35:28 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Sep11.170911.10425@microsoft.com> fredf@microsoft.com (Fred Freeland) writes:

>I don't know what you're reading into our press release.  Visual Basic
>for DOS still has virtually all of the important features of Basic PDS 7.1
>...

"virtually"? Could you elaborate on what features it does not 
have?

If it's just new reserved words, no problem. But if applications
cannot be easily ported, that's a big problem...
From: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Robert Meunier)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: Accessing random files with recl > 128
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:39:02 GMT
Reply-To: robert@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Organization: Hydro-Quebec (IREQ)


	There is a switch that need to be set when launching basica.

		basica /S:recl    


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From: jzempel@morpheus.wustl.edu (John Zempel)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: Visual Basic screen adjustments
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:39:54 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

brieck@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>	Is there a way to adjust Visual Basic programs for different
>resolutions? I do my developing on an 800x600 screen and then use them on
>640x480....but everything is bigger on the 640x480.
>	I'm sure that this is possible since there are height and width
>properties, but how do I do this?

>Brieck@uoft02.utoledo.edu

The best way to do this is to carefully design your application.  VB is not 
very much help.  Two resources for this are 
1) article in WinTech Journal in July 1992 by John Socha
2) book by John Socha from which the above article was excerpted which
devotes a chapter to the issue

Let me strongly reccommend the book: "Learn Programming and Visual Basic
with John Socha" SYBEX ISBN:0-7821-1057-6.

This book is not really a beginning programming book.  It has three
sections.  One for beginning programming with VB.  A second that develops an
address book and discusses producing applications.  The third part is a
toolbox of advanced techniques.  It includes a chapter on writing programs
that work with all displays and includes tips and code on using many Windows
API calls in useful ways.  The book is not for getting an overview on VB
or learning programming.  Rather, it is a good problem solving book for
those who already know VB.  BTW, John Socha worked with Peter Norton on the
classic Assembler Programming books.  He even made the cover with Peter on
the second edition.  He saw VB and decided to write a book about it.


Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: rdt154k@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr N Benci)
Subject: Compiled BASIC for the ATARI ST's
Keywords: Words of advice needed.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:48:14 GMT


I am about to invest some money in a compiled basic. The only criteria is
that it must be closely compatible to Quick Basic for the PC. Hisoft BASIC 2
is advertised to be compatible to Quick Basic. Is anyone using this BASIC
and if so, could you provide some useful comments, either good bad or ugly.
Any comments would be most appreciated, as I would like to know more about 
it before I send my money to Hisoft.

Thanks in advance.

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