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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Raspberry pits
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:44:58 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

On several recent posts, I've been called nothing less than a liar
and a fabricator.  I've seen John Egbo and Chad Glover likewise
excoriated for speaking their truth.
.
The big lie theory is that the bigger the lie, the more it will be
believed.  Now if I had even said just 20 million Africans had died
during the slave trade, to use the expression by Nick Nolte in "The
Prince of Tides," you "possum-breath cocksuckers" would have still
tried to dispute it to a lower number.
.
There are still people who dispute that even The Holocaust happened.
Most of us recognize this as folks who don't want to believe Jews
because Jews were murdered.
.
By the same token, you guys don't want to believe in 60 million
black folks being murdered because they're nothing but niggers.  You
cats are still apologists for white supremacy, period.  TonI
Morrison may be a writer, she may be a black apologist, but any one
who tries to find out what indigenous trees were in bloom at the
time of year when a black escapes from a slave state is not a liar.
.
I've also made it clear several times, that I am opposed to ranking.
I am also opposed giving white guys victim status over any
body...Indians, Afro-Americans, Asians and this is what I am
reading, Mr.  Miller's Outhouse.  The oppressor wants to be the
victim to X out any responsibility, period.

Furthermore, our pain over these dead is personal.  I don't say 60
million to lord it over people.  I say it because it's ours.  I
never said that Jews were less, or Armenians, or Indians, or women.
 We're equal in our pain over our dead.
From: starbuck@galaxy.ucr.edu (starbuck)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:33:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <0fKmviC00VpbI2ZVYT@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:

{ article deleted }

White bashing is in at this time so as an Asian are just following the times. 
You may feel you are moral but you are just another bigot this time one
with yellow skin.  All you do is promote hate.  You know, I know and most 
people know that in Japan Black people are condsidered sub-human.  In Japan
racism is a way of life.  Ask the folks in China and in Korea, they have felt
the violence of Japan and it's hate and contempt they have for others not like
themselves.  So don't come on the net writing about how bad white people are 
you have no right.  Period.

starbuck 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dsong@wave.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: AfAms in CS/Eng Grad school?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:12:55 GMT

I am a foreign student majoring computer science in PhD program from Korea.
I have been in US for several years attending 2 universities(USC and UCI) in
graduate programs.
But, I haven't met any AfAm in the class or study-related situation. That brings my curiosity.

Is there any reason why not many AfAms study CS or Engineering in grad. school?

Some people told me that I might find some AfAm grad. students in Sociology
or Anthropology Dept.. Is it true? I mean most AfAms who want to pursue
grad. degrees prefer social science by large margin to CS/Engineering ?
My wife is also in PhD program in Psychology in UCLA and she said her dept.
has only couple of AfAms out of almost 200 PhD program students. Thus,
I think it is NOT by accident but has some reasons.

Of course, I do not believe that getting PhD in some field is the only way
of getting respect and having happy life. Thus, this question is not related
to any intelligence issue. But, if most of you AfAms choose not to major
CS/Engineering from undergrad. or there are enough undergrads in those fields
but not in grad. school, in either way, it's not by accident. As a foreign
student, my experience in US is very limited to the campus life so that I
just can not figure out why.

Doo Song
From: taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Gabrielle's empty basket (of raspberries!)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:13:41 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hojo.larc.nasa.gov

In article <2691@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene) writes:

|>  (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
|> >someone privately E-mailed me a couple of days ago as to whether I
|> >believed in what I call _biological determinism_ when
|> >I refer to whites.  In other words, there is something in white
|> >folks genes which makes them racist, etc.  The answer is no.  I do
|> >not believe that whites are inherently racist in their genes.
|> 
|> 
|> [..an excellent article....]
|> 
|> My Dear Gabrielle,
|>                  The powere of your logic shines still. In this regard 
|> you continue to outreason all your detractors and your arguments are as
|> impeccable as  they are unmatched in more ways than one.
|> 
|> Please forgive and mind them not for they know not what they are saying...
|> 
|> 
|>      makala
|>  

Indeed it was an excellent article. To research his arguments (for those who want
to further understand this line of black thought) refer to 

     MIS-Education of the negro - Carter Woodson
     ICEMAN Inheritance         - Michael Bradley
     Destruction of Black 
	   Civilization         - Chancellor Williams
     African Origin of
	   Civilization         - Cheikh Diop
     Africa Mother of Western
	   Civilization         - Dr Yosef-ben-Jochannan
     The ISIS Papers            - Dr Frances C. Welsing

     and many others ...

Barney,

I see I am not alone in my quest .....

_________________________________________
NASA Computer Scientist / Software Engineer

The previous comments do not represent the
opinions of my employer or the government in
any part.

Hetep
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From: buckmr@rs6421.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Justice Thurgood Marshall
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:09:13 GMT

sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer) writes:

>  Less than a week after posting a review of "Simple Justice" to s.c.a.a, I
>regret to hear today Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice,  
>U.S. solicitor general, U.S. 2nd Court of Appeals judge, and perhaps most
>importantly, successfull NAACP lawyer who successfully argued the Brown vs the
>Topeka, Kansas, Board of Education school desegragation case. He was susccessful
>in 29 of the 32 cases he argued before the Supreme Court, and was a champion of
>personal liberties as a justice. He was born in Baltimore, MD, and educated at
>Lincoln University and the Howard University Law School.
Does anyone have any excerpts of cases or comments from Justice Marshall which
would reveal his position on Gay rights?

>  He was 84 years old, and been in poor health. Reportedly he had intended on
>swearing in Albert Gore as vice-president.
It was announced beforehand, but I guess he was too ill for the ceremony.

-- 
 .vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``No exam-cheating, pot-smoking, draft-dodging, privileged youth Vice-President
in a "Bush The Blamer" administration can speak with moral authority about
abandoned moral values and assuming personal responsibility.''--Jesse Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:09:25 GMT

In article <C1Guqq.2J6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The Wise Man from the East) writes:
>In article <084yXB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
>>Next time you see film or video of one of Fidel Castro's speeches, take a 
>>look around the podium at all the black faces sitting up there with him 
>>representing the Cuban leadership.
>> 
>>Odds are, there won't be any.  There scarcely ever have been since Fidel 
>>came down from the mountains 30-plus years ago.
>> 
>>It's true that the old-line wealthy right-wing families who owned Cuba 
>>when Bautista<sp?> ran it often treated black Cubans as second-class 
>>citizens and still do today in Miami, but revolutionary Cuba under Castro 
>>really hasn't been much better.
>>
>I doubt if this statement is true. I believe the speaker of the house
>(or an equivalent position) is blak. 

Except the speaker of the house has no power.

>And the status of blaks there is in no
>doubt the highest in the Americas in terms of self-esteem, health-care, level
>of education etc... 

Unless they have AIDS, and then they're locked up in prison camps.

>Unfortunately, due to the 30 year embargo (or otherwise),
>Cuba is not a rich country. 

Cuba's only survived because 25% of their income was in Soviet subsidies.
Now that Russia isn't trying to embarass the US anymore, Cuba's economy
will go the way of other communist countries, and collapse.

>This explains the constant immigration to Miami, 
>with promises of $25,000 in gold per defector (remember the Pan-Am games in
>Indy?

Yeah, every single Cuban defector gets $25K in gold.  You believe that.
I'm sure none of them want to escape totalitarianism, they just want
this non-existent gold.

>The amount of anti-Castro propaganda in the US media is amazing. A legacy of
>folx here being brought up fighting the cold war. To judge Cuba, one has 
>only to compare her with the rest of Latin America. Her standard of living is
>much better! 

False.

>Think about that for a moment...So she has to get her
>oil (at market price) from Russia instead of Venezuela, a US puppet..

Are you saying that Venezuela wouldn't charge market price?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Andrew Hacker in Palo Alto
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:05:10 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan28.042630.6312@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu
(Ted Frank) writes:
>Sigh.  I haven't received a single "privilege" for being white in my
>life.  For that matter, I've consistently spoken out against white
>privileges, and male privileges for that matter -- I defy you to find
>a single post where I try to "sustain" white privileges.
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
>

You haven't received any "white" priveleges, no you haven't receieved any black
priveleges-eg. discrimination. Being born white gives you more privelages than
I'll ever have as a young black male. You refusal to accept the fact that their
are white priveleges is another example of you and everyone else like you
ignoring race and how it contributes to your well being. Think about, please.

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
From: ww@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: TX Cnfr Support Mexicanos on Dth Ro
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:40:00 GMT
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Subject: TX Cnfr Support Mexicanos on Dth Row
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TEXAS CONFERENCE SUPPORTS MEXICANOS ON DEATH ROW

By Gloria Rubac
Houston

Over 300 people gathered in Houston Jan. 16-17 to demand justice 
and freedom for eight Mexican citizens on death row in Texas. 
They also condemned the North American Free Trade Agreement 
(NAFTA) and demanded self-determination for all Latinos.

The weekend's events were sponsored by the International 
Committee in Defense of Ricardo Aldape Guerra and chaired by 
Alvaro Luna, who himself spent 15 years in racist Texas prisons.

Aldape Guerra is a Mexicano on death row for 10 years who is 
widely believed to be innocent. After a stay of execution in 
September, he received a setback last week when the Texas Court 
of Criminal Appeals denied a writ to reopen his case and admit 
new evidence.

Speakers from Chicago raised the case of Illinois death row 
prisoner Manuel Salazar, who also is regarded as the victim of a 
very racist system.

A panel from PODER (People Organized to Defend the Earth and Its 
Resources) presented evidence of environmental racism in Third 
World communities and detailed the struggle in Austin to have 
hazardous gasoline tanks removed from African American and Latino
communities.

On Jan. 17, hundreds gathered in Houston's Latino east side to 
march for justice. Speakers included Pedro Archuleta, Mexican 
Movement for National Liberation, Tierra Amarilla, N.M.; Maria 
Ortiz, Committee Against the Death Penalty in Support of Aldape 
Guerra, San Jose, Calif.; Aldape San Fernando, Coalition of 
Mexican Workers; and Dorothy Miller-El, whose husband Thomas is a
leader of The Lamp of Hope Project, an organization of Texas 
death row inmates. Miller-El is fighting religious harassment in 
prison.

For more information on the struggle to stop the execution of 
Aldape Guerra, contact (713) 641-0026 or write 2510 Broad St., 
Suite 200, Houston, Texas 77087.
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Anyone know James Earl Jones' politics?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:44:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) wrote:
:In article <C13uqx.1vM@NCoast.ORG>,
:cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
:>>
:>
:>As far as Limbaugh goes, my experience is that people tend to enjoy him as an
:>entertainer without totally agreeing with his views.  Remember that G. Gordon
:>Liddy had a recurring role on "Miami Vice".  I'm SURE that he didn't agree
:>with a lot of the policy positions taken by that show, especially regarding
:>Central America.
:>
:>Bottom line is that it's all show business.
:.
:.
:You'd be surprised how many people take him very seriously, like
:William F. Buckley, George Will and the rest of that clack.  I
:remember the "60 Minutes" piece on him, too.  He's whipping up a lot
:of homegrown animosity since Reagan came in. These fans are not
:into show business, and they are much like the cats who supported
:Perot.


Welll, now wait.  As someone who spent many years cultivating "the
conservative mind" (sort of), let me note that there are conservatives
of many flavors, and yes, there ar definitely show-biz conservatives.
George Will and John McLaughlin, absolutely.  Pat Buchanan's charisma
is continuing to give him momentum (read him on today's WSJ editorial
page for a little bit of Sein Kampf).

William F. Buckley is almost institutionally obliged to welcome
Limbaugh into the conservative movement.  Unless Rush reveals an
anti-Semitic appetite (I think he's too slick for it), you should
not expect a discouraging word from WFB.

One more thing on George Will.  He's an idiot.

Now that I got that out of my system, let me point out that for
much of America, these righties are not the unsophisticated boobs
that more Hollywood-savvy libs and rads think they are.  I have
friends tell me they *do* take Rush seriously, and I truly believe
the fact he has this nationwide following explains and justifies
it.  I mean, if you take an honest look at Pat Robertson, Pat
Buchanan, George Will, Rush Limbaugh, or (especially) Ronald Reagan
(who after all converted his popular success as movie hero and
GE shill into the California governorship), you will agree it is
very hard to determine where the celebrity ends and the serious
conservative begins.  A unique product of our anti-intellectual
culture, granted, but not to be dismissed either -- not even by
those who'd sooner vote for Pee Wee Herman for president.

Aaron


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From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Sorry to offend
Keywords: Arthur Hu
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1993Jan21.193500.12621@nosc.mil> sterrett@nosc.mil (Anthony E. Sterrett) writes:
>I don't mean to offend anybody by saying this but
>I feel that the ideal of color blindness if found among
>African Americans more than elsewhere.
...
>Be Color Blind!

Dear Tony:

I am not offended and I accept your sincerity as genuine.  So please consider
the following a friendly reminder:

If color-blindness is indeed your goal you should refrain from making
statements of the form "I feel that [X] is found among African Americans
more than elsewhere".  This type of statement is clearly NOT color-blind.
-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
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orbiting particle-beam weapons.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.correct,soc.history
From: miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman )
Subject: Re: Columbus/Slaves
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:22:12 GMT

glhewitt@bathe.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:

>In article <1993Jan14.154900.1115@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>I believe examination of the American Great Plains indicate that it was once
>>the 'Great Inland Forest' (a typical deciduous crown forest). It was burned
>>off by the Indians several thousand years ago in an old method of hunting 
>>buffalo.

>I've heard that it's the meadows of Kentucky that were created by
>large-scale Indian burnings, but I never heard the great plains.  I
>doubt that large-scale deciduous crown forests could grow on the
>10-or-so inches/year of the high great plains.

	That the Great Plains were once heavily forested was
	news to me, too.  But, assuming Mr. Fester is correct,
	such a deforestation would change the weather patterns
	especially the rainfall.  Less rain due to less
	evaporation, and hotter temperatures.

	- Michael Goldman

-- 
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
	<sun!sono!miklg>  or  [miklg@acuson.com]
From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:36:14 GMT
 <C1Guqq.2J6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>  
 <1993Jan26.190925.515@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1993Jan26.190925.515@midway.uchicago.edu>
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

> >>It's true that the old-line wealthy right-wing families who owned Cuba 
> >>when Bautista<sp?> ran it often treated black Cubans as second-class 
> >>citizens and still do today in Miami, but revolutionary Cuba under Castro 
> >>really hasn't been much better.

Exactly. This is why Castro's Communist government exists at all. If
the U.S. government hadn't been working with the Mafia to keep that
horrible Batista regime going, we wouldn't have this problem at all. 

A lot of those Cuban exiles in Miami (the old ones) owned much property
in Cuba before the revolution. Of course it's in their interests to get
it back. That's why we had the Bay of Pigs Invasion ; those were mostly
right-wing property owners. The invasion failed because the Castro
government enjoyed mass support at the time, which the Kennedy
administration ignored. (I think the Mafia was responsible for bumping
off JFK, because they were angry with him backing off on another
planned Cuban invasion ; it was in their interest to get a capitalist
gov't of any kind so they could continue to use Cuba as a haven for
gamblers and a place for some of them to hide. ) Now Cuba no longer has
Soviet suuport and the Communist regime's days are numbered.

At this juncture, the best thing for the U.S. to do, IMHO, is to make
sure a solid republic (not a death squad oligarchy like El Salvador) is
established with good health care and education (Castro has done well
in these areas). If we try to impose fascism in Cuba as we did to Chile
in the 1970's, the results could be disastrous.


-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College, its students, or anyone else.
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..."- R.E.M.
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:31:14 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan24.020945.7128@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.180129.13733@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp  
>(Michael Friedman) writes:

>     [...some stuff deleted...]

>Darryl writes: 
>> >I guess a similar sentiment on the part of the British necessitated 
>> >the Revolutionary War. And look what happened...

>> Darryle, I suggest you read up a bit on US history.  The British had
>> no such sentiment - they usually bent over backwards by the standards
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of the day to avoid violence.  The Revolutionary War was not caused by
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> the Brittish shooting rioters.  If your highschool history courses
>> left you with that impression they were pretty pathetic.

>     Seeing as you and your family are only recent Americans (unlike the  
>rest of us whose families have been here since _at least_ the early 19th  
>century), I can understand why you have not yet had the great American  
>icons of the Boston Massacre, 

Under 10 dead.

>the Boston Tea Party,

I forget whether one American or none were killed.  Not a massacre.
Perhaps you are the one who is remiss in historical knowlege?

>the Massacre at  
>Lexington, 

More often known as the Battle of Lexington.  I'm really not sure what
you expect when two armed forces go head to head, but a battle is kind
of normal.

Even in the Battle of Lexington, the British tried to act with
restraint and it still is not known whether the first shot was fired
by them or by us.
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