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From: aq479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul E. Sincaglia)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:18:52 GMT


In reading the majority of the debate here, the consensus seems
to be very positive with the exception of the name.

The best name to keep everyone involves is to name it
           rec.models.display

which keeps those in railroad, military scale, sci-fi, and figures
people included in the same genre (if you will).

As we are all attempting to model a "realistic"scene whether
imaginary (futuristic or mot) the techniques used by all of these
groups are beneficial information to all regardless of the 
modelers subject preference

-- 
There ought to be one day - just one - when there is open
season on Senators.
                             -Will Rogers
From: jlkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Justin Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Painting a large figure model
Keywords: painting, figure
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:57:09 GMT


	Hello, all I have a large (approx. 1/12) scale epoxy resin
figure that I have been building on and off for the past 2 years
(the way the model is designed, filling and sanding is a real,
bonafide *b*tch*).  I am still rather new to figures, and was
wondering how to go about painting the sucker.

	The figure has a lot of creases in its clothing
and I can't see just painting it one color.  I think that doing so
would not give the proper "depth" to the clothing for it to look
good.  So, can anyone help me with some suggestions?  

	For anyone who is interested, it is a garage-type model of
Deunan Nut from the Japanese comic Appleseed.  S'a really nice model
with a lot of detail.  I bought it in Japan and don't know if it's
available in the U.S.  Another feature of the model are a lot of
mold flaws :-(.

Cheers,
Justin

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From: weimer@spud.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gary Weimer 726-3370)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:08:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul29.200811.466
Reply-To: weimer@pixel.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.; Rochester, NY

In article <1992Jul29.182733.15633@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
|> 
|> I am wondering why you need a seperate group to discuss scale matters, so
|> far I have seen little or no discussion on it in this forum and if it was
|> there and I was not interested I could just skip it.
|>
|> Please give me some reasons why scale discussions can NOT coexist in this
|> group unless the scale folks think they just need to be on their own???

What is "this forum"? Notice that this was cross-posted to 5 different
groups. Judging from one of the previous posts, "scalers" are being
forced to hang out in alt.models. Just the fact that many site
administrators refuse to carry alt.* groups should have some bearing on
the outcome if there is consistent traffic on the subject (I only read
rec.models.rc, so I don't know...).

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Organization: Penn $tate Univer$ity
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:10:14 EDT
From: Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: Anyone here paint RAl PARTHA mini's?
 <00km0cp.jhargiss@netcom.com> <WALSH.92Jul30110242@osric.cs.odu.edu>

What ARE you talking about?

In article <WALSH.92Jul30110242@osric.cs.odu.edu>, walsh@osric.cs.odu.edu
(Michael J Walsh) says:
>
>I paint their Alien mini's, but I'm really patiently waiting for their

1) Leading Edge makes the ALIEN miniatures.

>Star Trek miniatures... Any news on these...  I recently saw their pewter
>Enterprise-D, which is probably a hold over design from the non-released
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FASA never made this one, right? What did you see?

>Grenieder(sp?)/FASA contract.  Pretty cool looking, but it is not to scale
>with the other 'fleet miniatures.  I tried calling the 800 number directory
>in the hopes that they would have a number, but they didn't have one...
>so that ended that.  The local stores say they'll have them any day now, but
>they've been saying that since May/June.

Ummmm, Paramount has the license to all Star Trek gaming paraphrenalia; there
is currently no Star Trek RPG in print (unless you count SFB).

I HAVE seen a new(?) line of SFB miniatures at our local store. They have the
four ships from the Starfleet Technical Manual (Hermes, Keppler, Constitution,
and Federation), all molded in glow-in-the-dark plastic. They also have a D-7
cast in lead. I think Task Force Games is making these.

>
>Any help?

Not really.
>
>-Michael
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>test
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:03:51 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO

In article <1992Jul29.182733.15633@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
> 
> I am wondering why you need a seperate group to discuss scale matters, so
> far I have seen little or no discussion on it in this forum and if it was
> there and I was not interested I could just skip it.
> 
> Please give me some reasons why scale discussions can NOT coexist in this
> group unless the scale folks think they just need to be on their own???
> 
> stewart
> 

I am not sure which of the other groups you are posting from. Please edit the
Newsgroups: line to reflect alt.models and the group you normally read...

The reason for the separate group is that most (not all) of the readers are not
interested in RC, railroading, or rocketry topics. Since the majority of 
traffic for each group would be on it's primary topic, it's less a matter of
you skipping over our topics than us weeding through yours. Plus, 
rec.models.railroad is not at all a forum for reviewing the newest 1/48 scale
models from Hasegawa. Since they don't fly, neither is rec.models.rc. And
obviously rec.models.rockets in not appropriate.

The reason this discussion was cross-posted to begin with was because there are
people in those groups who are also interested in exact replication. Especially
rec.models.railroad, but also in .rc and .rockets. But the proposal is there
because this subject matter is not really within the sphere of those groups.

Randy
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From: pshyvers@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: Snow diaramas: Armored vehicles
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:15:01 GMT
Reply-To: pshyvers@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <l6rdhtINN7bj@nunki.usc.edu> grenier@nunki.usc.edu (Adrian Grenier) writes:
>I am in the process of building a diarama of a Panzer MkV in an Ardennes
>Offensive setting and would like to know if anyone has ideas on how to
>make realistic looking snow and any other ideas on making a good looking
>snow/woodland setting. I am kinda new to the vehicle diarama scene, so all
>suggestions would help.
>
I recommend Celluclay, painted appropriately. Celluclay reproduces the "grain"
of older snow well, IMHO, and is (after drying!) infinitely lighter and more
durable than the old standby, plaster of paris. It will also take water-based
painting better than I recall plaster of paris would (for me.) Celluclay is
also VERY sculptable - I once built-up a Hetzer plowing across a muddy field,
with Celluclay for the mud; the stuff took the track impressions BEAUTIFULLY.
I accidentally trashed the Hetzer later, but kept the base and substituted
a Pz38t...

Plaster of paris, though, does have its  place; I think it duplicates newly-
fallen snow better.

What I haven't found is something to duplicate fallen snow on a vehicle. You
need so very little, assuming the storm is in progress, and if the vehicle
is moving very little would likely accumulate (unless it's close to sleet.)
I suppose white artist's chalk, ground up, would be best, but VERY prone to
being smudged off, and a real dirt-collector if you don't keep it in a case.

As for getting the scene right, consider the weather conditions you are
trying to simulate and make the snow conditions match. Big drifts with open
muddy patches are (IMHO) inconsistent; if there's bare ground, you should
probably sculpt in sun-cups around trees, shrubs, etc. If you have snow
drifted up against something, make sure that all other stationary objects
are drifted (unless they conceivably just entered the scene) and that all
your drifts are consistent - ie. were deposited by wind from the same
direction. 

>Also if anyone has info on where I can get detailed machin guns (MG34 and 
>MG40 I think) I would appreciate it. The Verlinden catalog has only 
>American mg's.

I'd swear Verlinden did a resin MG34, and I'm reasonably sure I've seen a
brass MG34 in 1/35th scale. No telling, though, what's still around, as I
stopped buying AFV stuff four years or more ago.
From: FORTMAPL@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU ("Paul Fortman : free spirit")
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: filling in gaps
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:11:00 GMT


	From: pshyvers@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
	Newsgroups: alt.models
	Subject: Re: filling in gaps

	In article <1992Jul19.175146.22934@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
	>    I'm a beggining modeller, and I want to know what it is that you can
	>use to fill in gaps where the parts don't quite fit together.

	Depends on the subject and the materials of the subject. I'm currently doing
	scale cars exclusively, and I've been using the familiar Squadron green putty.
	It's awfully dry, though, and I can't seem to sculpt it as well as the epoxy
	that I occassionally use. It also dries kinda soft.

I find Squadron green putty to be a very good putty.  What I do is mix
it with Testors liquid cement.  This gives it a better consintency,
helps it to bond with the plastic, and gives a nice hard surface.  I 
also do this when I putty gaps in my white metal models.  My only 
complaint with Squadron green is its coarseness.  Squadron has a new 
white putty which is supposed to have a finer grain.  I bought a tube 
of Squadron white, but I haven't tried it yet.

*Paul
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From: colin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Paint from Spraycan 2 Airbrush Transfer.
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:55:58 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

A person I know resorted to taking the paint from a spray can and transferring
it to his airbrush jar.

Using a nozzle from a PTFE oils spray can he fitted this to the paint can.
Then poking the other end of the "pipe" into his airbrush jar 'nozzle'
(the chrome part which fits into the airbrush itself/top of the paint jar)
then sealing all the joints with bluetac and tape gently pressed the paint
nozzle to transfer directly into the jar. Then when enough paint was
transferred, carefully break the seal at the jar end, and giving a quick
spin/stir, placed it onto the airbrush and sprayed.

  ===============================||
  ||                            ____ 
__||__         <--             |    |
|    |                         |    |
|    |                         |    |
|____|                         |    |
                               |    |
                               ======
Jar                  
                             Spray Can.

I have never tried this myself, but Neil (the person who did) says it works for
him.


Colin.  Oxford University Computing Services (Operator)
Newsgroups: alt.models
From: zenith89@bwdlh130.bnr.ca ()
Subject: Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis models wanted
Reply-To: zenith89@bwdlh130.bnr.ca ()
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:44:30 GMT

Does anybody know if any company sells any models of the Ford
Crown Victoria or Mercury Grand Marquis? Please reply here, email
won't make it. Thanks,...CPV

 
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From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:19:16 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <13659@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
>Actually, since most models are by definition 'scale', I would proposed
>instead to fill the hole in the rec.models hierarchy and go ahead and propose 
>	rec.models.misc 

Actually I would disagree. I build and fly R/C Sailplanes, but they're not
models of anything, and they certainly don't have any kind of associated scale.
The RFD is not for a sort of "catch-all" group to fill out the rec.models
hierarchy, but for a group for discussion of static or scale modelling, the
best examples of which are the plastic scale models. Check out alt.models:
we're trying to move that traffic to rec.models.scale.

Of course, I am not arguing against rec.models.misc as such; just that it would
not be a good name for the proposed group.

(Followups set to news.groups.)

-s
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From: zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Summary: An alternative to .misc
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:04:12 GMT
Organization: ARP Software

rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
 
>Actually, since most models are by definition 'scale', I would proposed instead
>to filll the hole in the rec.models hierarchy and go ahead and propose
>
>        rec.models.misc
 
   How about rec.models.building. This would cover all types of
materials and techniques, but would obviously exclude control
systems and powerplants, which I think was the original intent.
 
==================
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uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod
Newsgroups: alt.models
From: urf@ki.icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Bell X-1 question
Reply-To: urf@icl.se
Organization: None: On USENET I speak only for myself.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:47:15 GMT

I've just started on Tamiya's 1/72 X-1. It feels like nostalgia
that they have included a stand, and the transparent fuselage
(which I think I'll use) also seems to some oldfashioned. Anyway,
it's a good kit, with rather good instructions (usual for
Tamiya), and you get an option to build all three aircraft in
five guises, but there is one thing I wonder about:

Shouldn't the well for the main landing gear be see-through? I
have a feeling there is no separating wall between port and
starbord, but none of the photos I have show the aircraft from an
angle where would show! Frustrating.

I'd also like to know if someone knows what the TS- colour range
Tamiya sometimes refers is?

-- 
 Urban Fredriksson  urf@icl.se  ( N.G.U.Fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk )
 / <- this is an ASCII map of Sweden
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:21:56 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO

In article <13659@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
> Actually, since most models are by definition 'scale', I would proposed instead
> to filll the hole in the rec.models hierarchy and go ahead and propose 
> 
> 	rec.models.misc 
> 
> This is the one group missing [since rec.models is not a group] and will 
> provide a place for threads which do not relate to the specific groups which 
> now exist. I think this is the only hierarchy in which specific groups exist
> without a place for misc. threads.
> 

ACtually, it was originally proposed (back in '89 or so) as rec.models.misc.
Without degenerating into a flame war, can we discuss this point? This is one
of the things I want to iron out during the discussion period, before the 
voting takes place...

Me, I'll just be happy when we have our rec group, whether it's .scale or
.misc. I'll still post kit reviews, I'll still try to answer new modelers'
questions as well as I can... I just want us to go beyond the alt realm...

Other views on this question?

Randy
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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Model shops in Nashville, TN?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:47:29 GMT
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Does anyone know of good model shops in or around Nashville, TN?  I'll
be up there one day next week and would like to stop by a shop or two if
there are any worthwhile.  I'm mainly into cars (1/12th F1), so shops
that only do planes or boats won't interest me that much.

I'll also report back if I find any good ones while I'm there.

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Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:29:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.210252.15177@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
> 	Perhaps 
> 
> 	rec.models.kit 
> 
> 	Would be a better description of what goes on in this alt group?

Unless you scratch-build things, or do major conversions... .scale and .misc
are, to me, interchangable. There is nothing that would be appropriate in
one that would not be, in the other. At least, nothing I can think of. 

Randy
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From: pshyvers@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: information on AZIMUT models?
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:19:59 GMT
Reply-To: pshyvers@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Jul21.210908.1781@samba.oit.unc.edu> thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.165446.24475@encore.com> bburden@encore.com (Bruce Burden) writes:
>>
>>	Also, is the AZIMUT Pz 42 Maultier the same subject as the
>>   Italeri Opel Maultier? 
>
>No. The Italeri kit is the unarmoured cargo carrier. The Azimut
>kit is the armoured rocket launcher. It is a complete kit and if I
>had an extra $75 I would buy this puppy!
>
Didn't Tamiya do this kit recently as part of its release of lots of new
WWII toolings?
From: zork@trog.Eng.Sun.COM (Erich Selna - zork@trog for you old Sun culture fokes)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: filling in gaps
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:41:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zork@trog.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: trog



	Try Miliputt. It is easy to sculpt and dries very hard (good for fine
	sanding). Its a two part epoxy putty that you can form went wet and
	shape with "wet" sculpting tools. After it dries, you can carve or
	sand it. 
	 I went to this stuff because the puttys for plastic would come out of 
	small gaps when you sanded then and also if you tried to build something
	up with the putty, it would melt the plastic.
		Hope this info helps,
				zork
Newsgroups: alt.models
From: sharris@chopin.udel.edu (Scott A Harris)
Subject: Re: filling in gaps
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:04:39 GMT

In article <9207220411.AA15957@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> FORTMAPL@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU ("Paul Fortman : free spirit") writes:
>
>	From: pshyvers@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
>	Newsgroups: alt.models
>	Subject: Re: filling in gaps
>
>
>I find Squadron green putty to be a very good putty.  What I do is mix
>it with Testors liquid cement.  This gives it a better consintency,
>helps it to bond with the plastic, and gives a nice hard surface.  I 
>also do this when I putty gaps in my white metal models.  My only 
>complaint with Squadron green is its coarseness.  Squadron has a new 
>white putty which is supposed to have a finer grain.  I bought a tube 
>of Squadron white, but I haven't tried it yet.
>
>*Paul
>--
>fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
>


Funny, you're the second person on this subject that says Squadrons green
is coarse.  I've been using it exclusively to fill in gaps in a variety of
aircraft, and if I am patient (which isn't too often) and let it dry
I just use a variety of grains of sandpapers to sand it down as smooth
as the model it self.

Scott


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