From: geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck)
Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.aviation re-organization
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Geoffrey G. Peck, Consultant, San Jose CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:57:43 GMT

[This is a repeat of the previous Call-for-Votes for the rec.aviation
reorganization.  If you read the previous article and voted, you need
not read any further.]

This article is the formal Call for Votes for a re-organization of the
rec.aviation hierarchy.  Accompanying this article is a second article,
"Rationale: rec.aviation re-organization", which I urge you to read
immediately (possibly even _before_ you read this one).

The following set of groups -- 9 unmoderated groups plus 3 moderated and
.misc -- is proposed as a replacement for the current rec.aviation:

    announce (MOD)    military      piloting        soaring
    answers  (MOD)    misc          products        stories (MOD)
    homebuilt         owning        simulators      student
    ifr 

There are three moderated groups; Geoff Peck will serve as the initial
moderator for all three of these groups.

rec.aviation.announce (MODERATED)
    Dissemination of events of interest to the rec.aviation community,
    including fly-outs, airshows, museum events, safety seminars,
    conventions, races, rec.aviation administrative issues etc.  The group
    will be moderated to minimize volume.

rec.aviation.answers (MODERATED)
    Periodic postings of information related to aviation; a "super-
    frequently-asked- questions" organized by subject.  Postings will be
    repeated on a time-cycle basis.  Multiple editors will volunteer for
    different subject areas.

rec.aviation.stories (MODERATED)
    A home for one of the greatest strengths of rec.aviation -- longer
    postings of stories and experiences, including descriptions of
    cross-country trips, "I learned about flying from that", airshow
    reports, and so on.  The moderator will reject shorter articles and
    subjects which aren't appropriate to the group, and will ensure that
    articles meet minimum readability standards (i.e., line lengths).
    Follow-ups will be directed to other groups.  It is expected that this
    group will typically contain only one or two articles a week.
    Articles for anonymous posting will be accepted.

The remainder of the groups are unmoderated.

rec.aviation.homebuilt
    Selecting, designing, building, and restoring aircraft.  Included in
    this group are a number of different kinds of aircraft:
    builder-designed, plans-built, kit-built, antique and historic, and
    warbirds.

rec.aviation.ifr
    Articles related to flight under Instrument Flight Rules.  Regulatory
    questions, communications, procedures, charts, training methods,
    maintaining proficiency, recurrent training, instruments and
    equipment, questions, and experiences.

rec.aviation.military
    Postings related to military aircraft, both historical, present, and
    rumored; military aircraft technology; military aircraft actions and
    incidents.  Not intended to compete with sci.military, this group
    simply provides a legitimate home for the many military postings which
    already exist on rec.aviation.

rec.aviation.owning
    Information on owning airplanes:  selection, purchasing, maintenance,
    insurance, operating costs, operating hints and tips, avionics, parts
    sources and availability, costs, etc.

rec.aviation.soaring
    Soaring and hang-gliding: equipment, maintenance, instruments, safety,
    training, soaring sites, current events, FAI badge rules and class
    definitions, meteorology, history, homebuilts, vintage sailplanes, the
    science and technology of motorless flight, etc.

rec.aviation.piloting
    Information pertinent to pilots of general aviation aircraft which
    would not fall into one of the other non-misc rec.aviation groups.
    Topics include, but are not limited to flying skills, interesting sights,
    destinations, flight characteristics of aircraft, unusual situations,
    handling emergencies, working with air traffic control, international
    flights, customs and immigration, experiences with ground support
    facilities, etc.

rec.aviation.products
    Questions, descriptions, and reviews of products useful to pilots,
    such as headsets, intercoms, handhelds, flight bags, flashlights,
    computers, timers, mail-order firms, etc.  In general, ".products" is
    for things which a renter might buy; things which are primarily of
    interest to aircraft owners should be posted to rec.aviation.owning.

rec.aviation.simulators
    Flight simulation, particularly discussions of computer-based
    simulators ranging from PC's to workstations.

rec.aviation.student
    It's been said that every good pilot is a student pilot -- for life.
    This group is dedicated to learning experiences and questions,
    particularly (but not exclusively) by and for those who haven't yet
    attained the private pilot certificate.  Written exams, solo flights,
    learning to land, maneuvers, flight tests, instructors and
    instructional techniques, etc.

rec.aviation.misc
    In case there are things which didn't get "caught" by the list of
    groups above, rec.aviation.misc provides a home for these other
    topics.  With luck, there will be relatively little traffic here, but
    net convention is to have a "catch-all" .misc group for things which
    might have been missed.  If rec.aviation.misc passes, the existing
    group rec.aviation will be rmgroup'd and traffic for it will be
    directed to rec.aviation.misc.

VOTING INSTRUCTIONS
-------------------

The voting period for this CFV is as follows:

    Start:  Friday,   August 28, 1992,    0700 GMT (midnight PDT)
    End:    Saturday, September 19, 1992, 0700 GMT (midnight PDT)

In order to be counted, a vote must be **received** during the voting period.

To vote, send electronic mail in *exactly* the format described below to:

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correctly.  To vote, cut out the "voting form" between the dashes below,
and replace the "A" (abstain) in column 1 with:
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    "Y" if you wish to vote YES on that group, or
    "N" if you wish to vote NO  on that group.
*** Please do not re-mail this entire article to the voting address! ***

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A announce
A answers
A homebuilt
A ifr
A military
A misc
A owning
A piloting
A products
A simulators
A soaring
A stories
A student
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If, for example, you wish to vote "yes" on all groups, send a message which
looks like this:

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Y announce
Y answers
Y homebuilt
Y ifr
Y military
Y misc
Y owning
Y piloting
Y products
Y simulators
Y soaring
Y stories
Y student
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And, for example, if you wish to vote "no" on all groups, send a message
which looks like this:

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N announce
N answers
N homebuilt
N ifr
N military
N misc
N owning
N piloting
N products
N simulators
N soaring
N stories
N student
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Each person may vote just once on each individual group.  You may not use
more than one computer account to vote.  If you vote both for and against
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Please do not put any information which needs to be interpreted by a
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VOTES MUST BE E-MAILED -- VOTES WHICH ARE POSTED TO THE NET WILL NOT BE
COUNTED.  Votes cannot be forwarded, and forwarded or "proxy" votes will
not be counted -- only original mail sent by an individual from his or her
own account to one of the e-mail addresses in this message will be counted.

At several times during the voting period, messages will be posted to
rec.aviation and news.groups listing the e-mail addresses and names (only)
of people from whom votes have been received.  If your mailer provides a
valid domain-style reply address in the header, your vote will be
automatically acknowledged by e-mail when it is received.  If you don't
receive an acknowledgement, don't panic -- please wait for one of the
group-acknowledgement news messages.

If you wish to make public comments on the re-organization proposal, the
appropriate newsgroup to post to is

				news.groups

Repeat, **news.groups** -- not, for example, rec.aviation.  Please include
the words "rec.aviation" in the subject line of your message so readers of
news.groups can easily find messages which are relevant to this vote.

RESULTS
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Shortly after the completion of the voting period, the vote tally and the
E-mail addresses and (if available) names of the voters will be posted on
rec.aviation, news.announce.newgroups, and news.groups.  The tally will
include a detailed listing of how each person voted so that the results
can be verified.  After the voting results appear there will be a 5 day
waiting period during which readers will have a chance to correct any
errors in the voting lists or the voting procedure.

In accordance with Usenet guidelines, after the waiting period, and if
there are no serious objections that might invalidate the vote, those
groups that pass will be created.  A group passes the vote if
  -  100 more valid YES votes are received NO votes *and*
  -  at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes received are YES
If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 majority is not met for any given group,
it will not be created.
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