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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Good M/C accessory shop in Menlo Park area?
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:48:33 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.

In article <92286.113144SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> SHARON HUGHES-RUBINO <SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>try Western Cycles in Mt. View on Escuela Ave. at El Camino (by Cost Plus / and
>Tony & Alba's pizza).

Western Cycles is a Harley-only accessory shop, which
makes it a not-too-likely place to get a nylon
tank bag.

They also show Nazi symbols in their display windows,
which makes them not too likely to get any business
from me.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
Xref: sparky ba.motorcycles:572 rec.motorcycles:35850
From: pc@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (pc)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
Subject: 1982 Yamaha for sale
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:31:54 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: slipknot.eng.pyramid.com

1982 Yamaha Virago
920cc engine.
24K miles.

Problems:
Needs an exhaust gasket.
Has an oil leak (1/2 qt per month)
Needs a rear tire.
Needs a battery cable soon.
Could probably use a tuneup, but runs fine when driven daily.
Has a bad connection somewhere in the warning light system, so
  the warning lights come on intermittently.

Leaving town this Sunday, so I would like to sell by then.

$600 obo.

pc

-- 
      -m---------    Patrick Connor           Pyramid Technology   
    ---mmm-------    (408) 428-8819           3860 North 1st St.
  -----mmmmm-----    pc@pyramid.com -or-      San Jose, CA           
-------mmmmmmm---    uunet!pyramid!pc         95134
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: selling YSR's
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:42:05 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.052126.26620@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60c-3gi@web-3e.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi) writes:
>In article <23937@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>
>>>>(I had originally posted this on the company MC list only, but I figured
>>>>what the hell, it's probably at least as interesting as reading
>>>>about YSR50's for sale  (I hope)  :-) )
>>>
>>>hey, some people go around looking for these things you know.
>>>
>>>			Masa
>>
>>
>>Yo  Masa...  I guess this could be quite a task, 
>>
>>	until one remembers to tilt the head downwards while looking  :-)
>>
>
>Yo Thorick... I sold my YSR some time after that posting.. to an adult..
>
>        for 1100 dollars too...
>

Looking to reclaim his lost childhood perhaps ?   :-)


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-t.c.



--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1: 30p)
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:18:12 GMT

In article <1atcmrINNla4@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU
(Michael Robinson) writes:
|This reminds me of one of my favorite scenarios, which I think should be 
|addressed in the DMV motorcycle supplement, or something:
|
|                                  <-downhill
|                             _----------------
|     steep dropoff,   -->  /         < M
|     no shoulder         /     
|                        |     ^ / ------------
|                        |  ^  B | blind 
|                        |  C    | corner
|                        |       |
|                        |       |

|This used to happen to me all the time.  Usually what happened in my case
|was I would see the bicyclist, slow down and move to the outside of the lane
|(once I learned about the hazard of this situation), and sure enough, a 
|car would come barreling around the corner all the way into my lane--at the
|last moment, the cager would see me, and swerve sharply to the right.  I 
|don't know how many bicyclists I saw almost wiped out by this clever
|manuever.

|My question is this:  is there a proper procedure for the scenario?  Or is
|it just a matter of blind luck?

a) Stay home, preferably in bed, to avoid the situation.

b) Always ride on the right edge of the pavement when you
   go around blind corners, whether to the left or to the right.
   If you ride fast enough that you need to use more of the
   roadway, you're choosing speed over safety and you're
   vulnerable to this sort of encounter.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Renfair
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:02:33 GMT

>	See ya there. I'll be watchin' for yer bikes and droolin'

  My bike will be the one with the towel over the seat.

>
>			- Ashley

  - Daniel
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 11:34:10 PST
From: SHARON HUGHES-RUBINO <SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Used parts?
Distribution: ba

What kind of motorcycle are you talking about??? A japflapper or a Harley?
there's a big difference in where you would look, don't ya know?  (<:)
From: tzinn@cisco.com (Tom Zinn)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: looking for a good honda mechanic
Date: 10 Oct 1992 01:15:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: (tzinn@cisco.com)
NNTP-Posting-Host: darthgator-dynamic.cisco.com

Just what the header says. Looking for a good Honda mechanic
for engine work on an 83 XL600R. Top end most likely.

Thanks, 

T o m
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Insurance for my new ride
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:15:02 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics



jamesf@btr.btr.com (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com) writes:
   So does anyone know of any good & cheap insurance companies, maybe 
   motorcycle only ones? It's time to get legal.

I used to do insurance through McGraw, since they're easy to find, and
have reasonable rates.  They're *not* the cheapest in town.  I've since
switched to State Farm.

I am a single male, under twenty-five, so I'm in a pretty bad bracket.
I have a clean driving record, but was involved in an accident last
spring.  The other fellow was very much at fault; his insurance gave
me a bucket of money.  [ description omitted for brevity, but I *did*
manage to avoid injury. ]

When I started riding, I had a venerable Kawasaki KZ400; it cost $127
per six-month period with McGraw (or $220/yr).

Now, I have a 750cc Honda Magna; the rate for six months through McGraw
is $297 per six months, or $523/yr.

I just switched insurance carriers, and called several around town.
Here are some prices I got from various agencies, for the 750 Magna.
All phone numbers are (415) since I'm in Palo Alto.
All prices are minimum liability plus uninsured motorist, except for
Allied.

	Allied Insurance 329-0260
	$295/yr; additional $70 for uninsured motorist

	April Insurance 661-2774
	$345/yr 

	A.J. Catalli 349-1803
	$320/yr ($160/6mo)

	Barthold Agency 342-6889
	$342/yr ($171/6mo)

	Farmer's (Duncan Ins.) 321-7792
	$306/yr

	State Farm 321-8711
	$231/yr

The going rate seemed to be around $300/yr for my motorcycle; I think that
the reason why State Farm was cheaper is that their good student discount
continues until age 25 (the other cut off at age 23, and I'm 24); as a 
graduate student I qualified.  

I think that my McGraw rate was large is that McGraw considers *any* mby 
accident to be an actuarial risk, rather than just at-fault accidents.
I'm not sure whether this is legal or not, but didn't want to hassle with 
it.

Many places will get disgruntled if you tell 'em you want to insure a 
"motor vehicle" and then they discover it's a "motorcycle" -- two very
different beasts, in the actuaries' eyes!
--
Craig `No, I *really* *do* play piano in the marching band!' DeForest
                       zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu
From: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: BWM/Ducati of Marin no longer sells Aerostich
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:40:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

They say it was a one year program to test retail sales for Aerostich and
it is now over. They have one size 38 suit left and then that it is.....


-- 
Lisa DeLorme                            
delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu           
DOD #363/ 80 KZ250, (mouse bike), 82 KZ440
                     Hey, I'm finally an acronym: DBNI  (Double bike, no income)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: some questions...
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.181546.5168@netcom.com>, whitaker@netcom.com (Brad Whitaker) writes:

> I've been very happy with the service I've gotten at California Cycles in
> Oakland (San Pablo & 55th).

     Hey, good to see you still have net access.  Anyways, about Cal
Cycles, I haven't tried their service department but their prices for
merchandise is kinda high: $6.95/qt. of Golden Spectro, for instance.
(Cycle Gear charges a buck or two less.)

     Mike took his Magna there once, and they forgot to hook-up the
thermostat so it kept overheating.  I think Mark or someone else had
minor trouble there too (or maybe Mike got burned twice).

     Since then, Mike's been using Performance and Design in Oakland.
He's got no complaints, and they certainly know what they're doing,
given their race sponsership includes rebuilding engines.

     I've been doing all my own work, so I've only got hearsay to pass
along.  (No, I'm not going into the motorcycle service business.  :-)

							George

----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: basket british singles for sale
Summary: 441 and 250 parts
Keywords: BSA TRIUMPH 441 parts sale
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:55:04 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Distribution: ba
Organization: my self


	Hello ba.motorcycles folks, I have some old British for sale.
	I fell into that fantastic plastic trap and need to do some liquidation.
	My horde contains:	1 BSA 441 Victor frame
				(would be rolling except no rear axle)
				1 TRIUMPH 250 roling frame
				2 BSA 441 engines, unopened
				1 Triumph 250 engine, ceised and opened
				(nice blue bolts on piston crank clamp)
				1 BSA oil tank
				1 BSA gas tank
				1 misc gas tank
				misc Amal carbs

	It's all at my home in Union City, California.

	Please respond if interested to: sbrogii@Tymnet.Com

	thanks,
	scott-

	Scott William Brogley
	sbrogii@Tymnet.Com
	work 408.922.6547
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Where to find XYZ in the Bay Arya?
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:24:58 GMT

In article <duk.719004926@well.sf.ca.us>, duk@well.sf.ca.us (Chuck Miller) writes:
> 
> George, this may have been done before, but can you post an address for Road
> Rider.  Thanks.

     I don't rightly know their address, but they're in San Jose on
Monterey Road.  I typically take Tully Road west from 101 and then turn
south (left) on Monterey.  Road Rider will be on a corner on your right,
set back somewhat from the street by a small parking lot.

							George

----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: ptar@junkyard.asd.sgi.com (Pierre Tardif)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Good M/C accessory shop in Menlo Park area?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:19:21 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: junkyard.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct12.214833.685@morrow.stanford.edu>,
karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
|> In article <92286.113144SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> SHARON
|> HUGHES-RUBINO <SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
|> >try Western Cycles in Mt. View on Escuela Ave. at El Camino (by
|> Cost Plus / and
|> >Tony & Alba's pizza).
|> 
|> Western Cycles is a Harley-only accessory shop, which
|> makes it a not-too-likely place to get a nylon
|> tank bag.
|>

true.
 
|> They also show Nazi symbols in their display windows,
|> which makes them not too likely to get any business
|> from me.
|> --

Agreed. However, I stopped by Western Cycles today and I was not able
to find such symbol. 

Western Cycles provides good service and has competitive prices. Also,
their business hours are: 11am-7pm Mon-Fri and 11am-6pm Sat-Sun

I've never heard anyone say bad things about them, Well, you're the first.

|> 
|>     Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
|>     (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

ptar
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu (Sean White)
Subject: Yamaha Vision
Reply-To: moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:38:49 GMT


I'm thinking of buying a used '82 Yamaha Vision.  Any comments
on the handling, etc..?
--
Sean Michael White
moonshadow@cs.stanford.edu	"I'm bein' followed by a Moonshadow"

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: hamid@rs.com (Hamid R. Moazed)
Subject: Re: Crazed Taxi Drivers in SF
Reply-To: hamid@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:38:02 GMT

I've only been riding for about a year, and have been to SF some
ten or so times (I usually take the cage instead for protection),
but already I've almost been "seriously killed" a couple of times,
once by a Taxi Driver just two days ago. He should have seen me,
I was almost totally in front of him in the lane to his right,
and he suddenly changed lanes into my lane and almost took off my
rear wheel. This was during ideal driving conditions (well, as
ideal as they can get in SF). Now I have to decide if it's worth
endagering my life just to easily find parking, and bypass heavy
traffic. Well, I guess it's worth it until I get into a bad accident.

---
       Hamid R. Moazed | "The drill bit lodged in my skull
       Project Manager |    causes me no small amount of pain,
  Renaissance Software |  but as I recall life without it
         Los Altos, CA |    was really much the same..."
   email: hamid@rs.com |                        -KILLDOZER
From: timi@mendel.berkeley.edu ( Tim Ikeda)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: BMW battery removal/Engineering evil?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:37:48 GMT
Organization: none apparent
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mendel.berkeley.edu

I've had to service the battery on my '83 R80RT a couple of times in the
last year and each time I've removed the damn thing, I keep thinking 
that I must be doing something wrong. Even with battery completely
unstrapped, I've never been able to remove it without also removing the
rear bolts to the battery holder and tilting back the whole assembly.

This is procedure is bothersome (Aw, poor baby! *sob*) because those
rear bolts are not all that accessible (or easy to find when I'm
stuck on the road at night).  The manual just says to remove the battery
clamps, cables and vent hose - and then simply  pull out the battery.

Is this discrepancy the result of:

A: A Teutonic engineer's evil revenge (ie. a standard design flaw -
        a.k.a. "BMW's special and unique character" in some circles).
B: Exchanging the original holder with the wrong-sized replacement.
        (It was replaced by the original owner - but by a dealer.)
C: New battery dimensions.
D: Operator error (Me).


I realize that this difficulty pales in comparison to other procedures,
such as lubing the rear drive splines, but it is yet another bug up my butt.

Regards, 
Tim Ikeda
(timi@mendel.berkeley.edu)
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1: 30p)
Summary: let's find somepalce else to ride.....
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:52:55 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


As a resident of the area, I must say that this doesn't surprise me. Let me 
tell you about a few of the things living in La Honda will show you...

	A few years ago, while driving up Skyline from Saratoga/9, I found 
a downed motorcyclist. It was about 7:30, just around twilight. He had come 
up after the masses had gone home, on a weekday, so he could crank it out 
without the traffic or speed traps. As I was driving him to Sky Londa to call 
cops/ambulance, he told me what a good rider he was, how he'd planned it 
ahead and how he must have been going 100. He was right, no traffic or cops 
to worry about. Lot's of deer though....and got to know one of them real 
well....

	Last winter, on a fine, clear, crisp day, I was driving up King's 
Mountain and found myself behind a gaggle of bicyclists. They covered the 
lane completely, huffing and puffing along. I must have followed them for 5 
miles until we got to the big turnout apx 1.5 miles from Skyline where I 
passed them. One of them spit into my car, screaming about the exhaust fumes 
ruining his ride. After following them for 5 miles I was tempted to ruin it 
further by opening my car door nice and fast and hard.....

	Coming down Skyline again on a Saturday recently when I noticed a 
fellow on a fancy crotch-rocket riding so recklessly I expected to see him 
dead on every curve I rounded. He passed me, so I went to Alice's and there 
he was, drinking beer (3 while I watched), and bragging to his buddies about 
how fast he'd gone, the people he'd passed, how far he's leaned. I decided to 
talk to him and found out he and his friends where yuppie lawyers from San 
Jose, just bought the bikes last month, no licences, no trianing, having 
the time of their lives. I watched as they got on their bikes and left 
Alice's at top speed, headed for more beers at Apple Jacks.....

	Found a bicyclist once on Tunitas Creek, he'd been riding in the 
center divide, so as to be seen more easily, when a blue pick-up came around 
and slammed him. Hit-n-run. I drove him to Stanford Hospital. Looked like a 
shattered hip to me but I didn't stay to find out....

	The point I'm making here people is that the La Honda-Skyline area 
has become an utter circus and we who live in the area are tired of the 
roads to our homes being used as drag-strips or a substitute for the 
tour-la-france. Bikes of both kids are fine in moderation, but the bad 
apples have ruined it for everybody now. Weekends are a madhouse and we who 
live in the area would like to be able to go home without finding another 
gruesome mess in our driveway. 

	Thanks.

		- Ashley
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.motorcycles
From: treitel@gracie.IntelliCorp.COM (Richard Treitel)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1:30p)
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:54:17 GMT
Organization: preferably none

In article <1992Oct6.033513.19829@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, bushnell@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (William D. Bushnell) writes:
|> Is there a campaign of harassment of bicyclists by motorcyclists going on?

Not that I can detect.  *Sigh* I don't get up to Skyline very often
(not on my bicycle, anyway), but in the 13 years I've ridden around
Santa Clara/San Mateo counties, all the motorcycles that have passed
me have done so very safely.  Four- and six- wheeled vehicles are
sometimes not so courteous.

It sounds to me as if what you witnessed was someone trying to show
off his/her skills in a slightly dumb way.  That's not harassment.

					- Richard
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss)
Subject: Re: RSS helps save Curtis's butt (and other tender bodily parts)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:16:40 GMT

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
> [near-disaster involving 4x4 and construction deleted]
>This would not even have been *remotely* possible before I took the RSS
>course. What a great birthday present -- my bike and my ass intact!

Congratulations on a job well done.  It's like they said - the more you 
know, the better it gets...

>In retrospect, the only thing that bothers me is that I didn't hear
>the truck skid -- that would have given me a lot more warning. I don't
>know if I just wasn't paying enough attention or what, but I intend
>to keep my ears trained a bit better in the future.

If there was gravel, sand, or dirt near the construction site, the 
skidding tires on the 4x4 would not have made much sound.  Don't feel too
bad about not hearing it.  Personally, the sound of a tire skidding on 
asphalt is an automatic call to full alert.  

>Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905

-- 
Ben Sloss        Email: ben@osc.versant.com   Work: (415) 329-7500 x172
Quote:          "It's all fun and games until someone gets paid."
Transportation: '83 CB650SC (straight roads) '93 CBR 900RR   (twisty roads)
		'91 XR 250L (dirty    roads) '87 Mustang 5.0 (wet    roads)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Carrying things on a Nighthawk
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:48:52 GMT

I bought my first motorcycle today, a 1984 Honda Nighthawk 650.  I bought
it from someone at work; it's now at the dealer recovering from a mechanical 
inspection (which it passed), and I'll pick it up tomorrow. 

I'm going to want to carry groceries, luggage, etc. on it occasionally.  It
came with a small saddle bag which could perhaps carry two cans of
Coca-Cola, but not much else.  Any recommendations for larger capacity
carriers?  I'm interested in hearing about specific makes and models of
bags/baskets/carriers, or general information on what to look for and what
to avoid? 


-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: some questions...
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:28:56
Distribution: ba

"gwu" == George Wu <gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com> writes:
gwu>      I see such exhausts all the time.  It's illegal, but since
gwu> there's no emissions inspection for bikes in California, there's
gwu> essentially no enforcement.  A cop probably could issue a fix-it

If this is true, then why are two-strokes illegal?  Why are there
California *and* 49-state models of many new(er) motorcycles?
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
"I love the iPSC/860.
The iPSC/860 is my friend." (repeat until your code runs...)
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Never go to Accinelli's
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:45:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:

>When I've called him, he's always refused to quote prices.
>He always says he'll match other peoples' prices.  When
>you go there, have a price in mind for a particluar tire
>and ask for it.

Or better yet buy your Metzlers (which are great tires, BTW) at
Road Rider or Cycle Salvage, which have good prices and service.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?