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From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:04:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzBs7x.97G
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec15.160035.6467@bmerh85.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <BzACqt.40D@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
>>
>>You're absolutely right! Changing words will do little to efface
>>prejudices in the minds of men. (yes, men - which includes women) :)
>
>If "men" is as gender-neutral as you claim, why do you need to specify
>that in *this* case, you mean it to be inclusive, not exclusive?  Or
>is your "DEPENDING ON CONTEXT" not as clear as you would like?
>
It isn't clear to persons who are *already* prejudiced. When they
encounter the proverbial usage of "man", "mankind", etc. they
assume that these usages refer to men only and NOT to women.
   In this case, I was replying to a prejudiced individual, and
felt the need to make the distinction clear. If these prejudices
weren't in existence, I would have had no cause to elaborate; nor
would  anyone else have the "sexist" problems we are currently
encountering in our English usage.

>Now if you'd writing "in people's minds", there would have been no
>confusion . . .
>
>       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself

Really!  I think you are confused!  :)
You let your prejudice that men includes men only, and not women,
when used in this context, override your ability to make logical
decisions.

                                                      Mandar.

-- 
"Imagine there are no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope that some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Sexist language 
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:21:06 GMT

In article <101793@netnews.upenn.edu> varhus@lindy.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus) writes:
>->It's kind of funny to have someone lecture us about other people destroying
>->the language, when he himself uses a massive run-on sentence and highly
>->repetitive vocabulary.
>->
>->Language changes all the time.  Some of us prefer to use terms which are
>->accurate and do not have sexist connotations.
>->
>->There is nothing wrong with being an upper middle class white male, my
>->husband was one, but there is something wrong with mindlessly clinging to
>->tradition, using inaccurate language, and being inconsiderate, especially
>->when it is trivially simple to use inoffensive language.
>
>Simple?  Whaddaya mean, simple?  "Freshman" has only two syllables, while
>"First-Year Student" has four.  

But "freshman student at the University of Pennsylvania, class of 1995"
has a couple of dozen or so syllables.  While "first-year" has two.
Gee, comparing apples and oranges is fun!

>I refuse to waste so much energy to change
>from using a normal, widely accepted, only considered offensive by people
>who have too much time on their hands term to a twice as long one.

So you have no objections to replacing "chairman" with "chair"?

>Also, what is so inaccurate about "freshman"?  

It's infinitely less descriptive than "first-year".  And first-year
rhymes with more words, anyway, so it's better suited for Hallmark cards.

>If words in the english language
>are which end in "-man" are generally used to describe humans of either
>gender, what is wrong with using them.  

But they're not, and only have been in recent years.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
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the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: ashish@tfs.com (Ashish Mukharji)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Simon's Rock of Bard - shooting
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:31:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TRW Financial Systems


Does anyone have details of the shooting at Simon's Rock of Bard College?

-ashish

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ashish@tfs.COM       I've been talking to Jesus all my life ...    Genesis
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From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language)
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:37:23 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Dec15.182137.18930@news.eng.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>From the keyboard of thf2@midway.uchicago.edu:
>:It's a shame we don't have a third-person singular the way the Finnish
>:do.  It would be a simple solution. 
>
>We do.

You don't.

>Damnit.

Seconded.

>It's "they".

It isn't.

It says "the way the Finnish do".  Which is not the case for three reasons.

Finnish _ha"n_
    (1) is grammatically singular,
    (2) is _only_ a third person singular pronoun,
and (3) is part of everyone's language.

English "they"
    (1) is grammatically plural (as shown by verb agreement),
    (2) is also the third person plural pronoun,
and (3) is rejected by a large number of speakers.

-- 
 `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
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Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Reply-To: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
Followup-To: soc.college
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Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:50:01 +0000

In article <1992Dec14.090232.11546@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet) writes:
>Quite so.  The week before lectures start, which new students are 
>supposed to spend on campus, is called "Freshers' Week" here, but I've 
>rarely heard the term otherwise.  (It seems even South Africa is ahead 
>of the US in non-sexism!)  "Sophomore" is an exclusively American word,
>and "junior" and "senior" aren't used to describe classes.

Yes, "fresher" is the English term. One ceases to be a fresher after a
moonth or two and, on the rare occasions when identification is needed,
becomes a plain "first year". Sometimes "student" might be added to
"first year" if and only if it's not obvious from the context.

N.
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.144252.22445@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
> 
> English does have the genderless word 'one', but very few people seem
> to use it.
> 
Even when one does use it, he soon finds that it doesn't solve
this particular problem.

-- 
Peter Moylan                      eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: ebp4907@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.B. Palmer)
Subject: Re: PC world--the word is...
Originator: ebp4907@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:06:05 GMT

In article <1gqf6oINNfgi@news.gac.edu> censtad@nic.gac.edu writes:
>When you talk about fraternities all you PC people do NOT use the word  
>frat if you are really as PC as you think you are
>
>
>I mean... would you call your mother a moth?
>		would you call your country a cunt?

Well, I'm not PC. It's still a frat. :)


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)
Subject: salary ranges for MSc and PhD in CS
Organization: Somewhere East or Somewhere West
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:54:20 GMT

Thanks a lot to those of you responded. Here is a summary:

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	From what I have heard, starting tenure-track people at 
major U's make 50K for 9 months and often get 10K for the summer.

	Major research places pay 60-80K.

	Wall Street (they love CS phds) make over 100K.

	Post-docs pay considerably less.

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MIT used to take salary surveys of their graduates in several
different categories.  I used this to figure out that a PhD in CS
would probably be of little financial benefit to me compared to
staying in industry for the same number of years.  But I went back
anyway on the theory that I'd prefer more intellectualy kind of work.

I don't know if MIT still does these surveys.  I got mine when I was a
senior at Harvard by visiting their career office (they allowed people
other than MIT students to use a subset of the resources there at that
time).  The figures I have are now about 10 years out of date, but I
can look them up if you want.  (I warn you that the job market seems
like it may have changed dramatically since then.)

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In article <1992Dec9.202929.5988@cs.brown.edu> you write:
>I am a master's student at Brown University. I am in the process of
>deciding whether or not I want to go some where for a PhD or go into
>industry with a Master's. I would like to know what salaries computer
>science PhD's (industry and academia) and MSc's are receiving in
>today's jobs market.

I suspect that here a recent MS in CS would be paid about $38-40K.  I can 
only guess as to the PhD, but I've generally heard a $4-5K differential
with the MS.

We're a non-profit organization, basically a government lab.

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	For academia, check the Taulbee report in the recent issues of
IEEE Computer and CACM.

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Hi,
One of my professors showed me the pay scales. A person with (
no industry experience) may receive 38k - 44k. (the figures are approx.)
Once you get tenure (4-6 years), your pay is 50-65k. Dept. Head 70-90k.
Dean 100k. 

California State University System does not pay very high salaries.
In University of California System you probably get 20% higher.
It varies from University to University.

But there are a lot of perks. Subsided health/dental insurance, tution 
waiver or preferrential treatment of family members in admission & tution
fees. You can get free sample copies of textbooks from publishers.

Job security may be added as a benefit even though I doubt whether it
will stay that way for long.

Hope that helps

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From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (L. Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: GRE vs. GMAT : what's the difference in the math sections?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:41:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

Hi everyone,
	I was suppose to have taken the GRE on Dec. 12, but because of the snow
storm in the NE area ETS had decided to cancel the test and reschedule it for 
mid-January sometime.  I am also taking the GMAT in January.  My question is 
if I prepare for the math section in one test would I still need to do it for 
the other?  My concerns are how similar are the materials in the math sections 
of these two tests?  Would studying for one prepare me for the other?  Answers 
to my questions would really help me allocate my time in studying for it (as I 
also have my senior design project to complete over the winter break).  Any 
advice or comments about this would be appreciated.  Thank you all and have a 
happy holiday. 

Sincerely,
Lisa Taikitsadaporn
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 19 Dec 1992 13:24:36 CST
From: <U60001@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: EE PROGRAM AT THE ARIZONA STATE UNIV.


CAN ANYONE GIVE ME SOME INFO ON VLSI RELATED RESEARCH ACTIVITIES
CURRENTLY GOING ON AT THE ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY. DO THEY DO
SOME TESTING OF VLSI DESIGNS OR SOME WORK ON TEST GENERATORS,ETC.?.

YOUR INFO. IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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From: lklee@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Univ of Colorado, Sch. of Dentistry, Admission, Resident of CO?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:46:02 GMT
Followup-To: lklee@ucdavis.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: LRC, Student Housing, UC Davis
Originator: ez001099@dale.ucdavis.edu

Does anyone know if I need to be a Colorado resident to attend dental
school at U of Colorado School of Dentistry?  I ask because the AADSAS
application instruction booklet says that I might need a verification
of Colorado residency form.  How about if I declare CO residency after
I get into the school?

Or maybe someone can at least e-mail me the telephone number of the
Admissions Office there.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Louie
lklee@ucdavis.edu

P.S.  Please e-mail me your help.  Thanks again.
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Phone #'s: Toronto, UBC, U.Ga.?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:34:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anyone have telephone numbers for the Admissions Offices of the graduate
schools of business of the following institutions?

University of Georgia (Athens, GA)
University of Toronto (Toronto, ONT)
University of British Columbia (Vancouver, BC)

Email is great, and if anyone else is curious I'd be glad to forward any
responses. Thanks in advance for your attention.
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From: minghsua@usc.edu (Ming-Hsuan Yang )
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Mechanical Engineering Dept of UT-Austin
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:29:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi, everybody:

	Could anyone in Mechanical Engineering Department of UT (University
of Texas) - Austin tell me more about your program? Or anyone majoring
in Mechanical Engineering could tell me the rank, academic reputation
of graduate programs in UT? I am serious considering about attending master
program there. My interests are system control (neural network), robotics,
and manufacturing. Thank you in advance.

	Ming-Hsuan Yang
 
From: minghsua@usc.edu (Ming-Hsuan Yang )
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad-student
Subject: ME Program of UT-Austin...
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Keywords: 

Hi, everybody:

	Could anyone in Mechanical Engineering Department of UT (University
of Texas) - Austin tell me more about your program? Or anyone majoring
in Mechanical Engineering could tell me the rank, academic reputation
of graduate programs in UT? I am serious considering about attending master
program there. My interests are system control (neural network), robotics,
and manufacturing. Thank you in advance.

	Ming-Hsuan Yang
From: cm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARALAMBOS MARANGOS)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: email address, U of Virginia @ Charlottesville
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:10:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anyone know the email address for the Systems Engineering Dept. of the
University of Virginia at Charlottesville?

Thanx
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:31:52 CST
From: <U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: CPA EXAM (details)

I'm interested in taking the CPA exam.  I did not complete an undergraduate
 degree in accounting, and I want to know what the requirements are to qua-
lify for the CPA exam, despite not having an accounting degree.  For anyone
who knows this information, a reply would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.


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                                                 BS IE
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
From: akkamon@tlaeng.enet.dec.com ("Akkamon Srihiran, DSS Engineering/Thailand  16-Dec-1992 1622")
Subject: boston email address???
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:24:37 PST
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Hi,

Anyone has email address of Boston U grad office???

Thanks,
Akkamon
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Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: GRE Test Prep Books For Sale: General, Engineering
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:50:00 GMT
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From: karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad,soc.college.gradinfo
Subject: Need E-mail Addresses
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:08:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

Hi everybody,

I wounder if somebody can provide me with the garduate admisions office
E-mail addresses of the following American Universities:-

Michigan State Uni
Uni of Texas at Austin
Uni of Meryland (college park)
Ohio state Uni (columbus)
Uni of Minnesota
Johns Hopkins Uni


Qutaiba
From: gavin@cs.anu.edu.au (Gavin Michael)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Email address of Xerox Palo Alto Reserach Center
Date: 18 Dec 1992 07:03:31 GMT
Organization: Australian National University, Computer Science Dept
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gavin@cs.anu.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: beid.anu.edu.au

Hi,

Does anyone have the email address of

	Siddharatha Chatterjee or
	John R Gilbert or
	Robert Schreiber

As far as I know they are all at Xerox Palo Alto Reserach Center

Many Thanks
Gavin

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From: puri-sidd@cs.yale.edu (Siddhartha Puri)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Grants
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:14:52 -0500
Organization: Yale University, Zoo Educational Computing Lab, New Haven, CT
NNTP-Posting-Host: grizzly.zoo.cs.yale.edu


Does anyone out there have e-mail addresses, telephone numbers or p-mail
addresses (preference in that order) of institutions that give grants to grad
students (like NFS)?  Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I can post a
summary if there is interest.

Thanks.

Sidd Puri
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language)
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.191606.27829@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.234308.27660@news.eng.convex.com>
>Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM> writes:

>> From the keyboard of J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger):
>> :English does have the genderless word 'one', but very few people seem
>> :to use it.

>> If one were to delve into the matter more deeply, one might discover
>> that this usage sounds a bit stuffy and formal.

>Of course, this *is* what one would call "Standard Written English".

Which also includes some uses of the generic-singular "they."

Roger


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From: heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za (Heidi de Wet)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Sexist language
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:02:32 GMT
Organization: Dept of Elec Eng, UCT

eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
>In article <Bz7nKp.7LM@rice.edu>, conor@owlnet.rice.edu (Conor Frederick Prischmann) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec13.032106.21567@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>> 
>>>>Also, what is so inaccurate about "freshman"?  
>>>
>>>It's infinitely less descriptive than "first-year".  And first-year
>>>rhymes with more words, anyway, so it's better suited for Hallmark cards.
>> 
>> "Infinitely less descriptive"??  I guess "first-year" must have some other
>> meaning for you.  For me, and the rest of the English speaking world, they
>> mean exactly the same thing.
>
>Hey, don't drag the rest of the English speaking world into this.
>This is purely an American argument.  As far as I know, this
>freshman/sycophant/medium rare/etc. business is purely a North
>American custom, and is not well understood elsewhere.  The word
>"freshman" has an archaic ring to it in Australia - and, I suspect,
>in other English-speaking countries.

Quite so.  The week before lectures start, which new students are 
supposed to spend on campus, is called "Freshers' Week" here, but I've 
rarely heard the term otherwise.  (It seems even South Africa is ahead 
of the US in non-sexism!)  "Sophomore" is an exclusively American word,
and "junior" and "senior" aren't used to describe classes.

-- 
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