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From: st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Howdy!
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:13:13 GMT
Reply-To: st923377@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

God am I happy Heather Locklear is on the show. In recent weeks I've
found myself sympathizing and identifying with Billy a lot. Allison
definitely does not deserve him. She's a major bitch on wheels, and he
is just a fun, caring, nice guy. Thank God Heather's character will
be somewhat more substantial and worth Billy's time.

BTW, does anyone out there:
	a) watch Class of 96? Like it? Have an opinion? If so, mail to
		me your responses. I love the show and am hooked already.
	b) know how to start a new group? On alt.tv.bh90210 we've been
		discussing starting preferably an alt.tv.class96 group
		or an alt.tv.fox-dramas group to include all of them, this
		way since many people watch more than one show and want to
		discuss the others they can just post on one group. Or can
		someone start both? Is there any desire out there? Let
		me know.....

thanks a lot. I've never posted to this net before because I watched the
first episode and hated it. However, recently I've watched it and have
enjoyed it immensely. This is proof that you shouldn't give up on a show
after only one watching. (I still can do without the married couple-thank
God her sister left!!)
Bye!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: aa384@Freenet.carleton.ca (Peter McPhee)
Subject: Amy Locane?
Reply-To: aa384@Freenet.carleton.ca (Peter McPhee)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:00:13 GMT

..
   I hadn't seen the show for quite some time, and when I did finally see
it Amy Locane wasn't on it anymore. Has the sky really fallen this time?
What happened?
From: 8schutting_r@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re:Romance Thorne-Smith
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:12:50 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

where did the two of you read about their romance? i thought she
was married. she was in the movie summer school with mark harmon
and i only remember seeing her credits as smith, but not thorne-smith.

bob
From: slayer@cislabs.pitt.edu (Deborah)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Amy Locane?
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:28:23 GMT

>   I hadn't seen the show for quite some time, and when I did finally see
>it Amy Locane wasn't on it anymore. Has the sky really fallen this time?
>What happened?

	She got an acting job in New York City.. Once the new season started
and she was in New York one night everyone Shooters was watching TV so that
they could see her debut on the soap opera..


-- 
May look a little young 
So what's wrong ?
You don't have to be old to be wise
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: smithrud@advtech.uswest.com ()
Subject: Re: Alison and Billy
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:24:52 GMT

In article <1k2dofINNj9e@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson) writes:
>
>Well, It has been years since I have been addicted to a television`show but
>after watching and getting hooked on Billy and Alison.  Who thinks that they should get together on the show?  And who thinks aAlison is a butt-head
>for not noticing Billy?

I suppose the romantic in me wants to see them get together, but I tend
to lean more towards the idea that was posted by someone a few days
ago.  I believe she commented on how nice it would be, for a change,
to have a show portray roommates of the oppostie sex being very good
friends without the need for a physical relationship .. the idea that
single men and women can live together platonically.  It's not
guaranteed to be an approach that will find a lot of favor with the
show's viewers, but I'd like to see them do something different rather
than what most people would expect or want (ahh.. but those ratings).

Are you asking if Allison (sp?) is a butthead for not noticing Billy
romantically?  I don't think so.  They have what appears to be a very
good friendship and mutual respect.  She doesn't have to take a romantic
interest in him just because he's male, lives under the same roof and
has a lot of attractive qualities.  Somehow I think the storyline
would get boring rather quickly if the show's writers decided to link
these two romantically.  The interest in their situation is there
because they _aren't_ a couple and a number of viewers enjoy watching
their interactions as two people with caring feelings for one another
but without the physical involvement.

Exiting nighttime drama mode,

Cari
=)
From: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Cancellation
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:54:18 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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Originator: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu


I live in Southern Michigan and unfortuanately Fox here also carries
the Pistons games which are always WEd night.  Does anyone know
when this episode will be showing after that.  Last time it was pre-empted
it was on Saturday at 7.  
Please if any Detroiter or michigander knows (or any
one else for that matter knows)
Let me know!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: mary@lgc.com (Mary Peterson)
Subject: Re: Bev Hills 90210
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:15:04 GMT

In article <C1I3A0.2v9@news.iastate.edu>, twn86@isuvax.iastate.edu (John Valley) writes:
|> 	Does anyone ever post on alt.tv.90210? Just curious.
|> 
|> John Valley

They should be posting to alt.tv.bh90210 not alt.tv.90210. We have tried to leave
that newsgroup for dead since was created in error and also I believe violates the
newsgroup rules of not starting a group with a number.
If someone cannot get alt.tv.bh90210 they could subscribe to the mailing list, to subscribe
request it in the subject line and mail it to 90210-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu.
For that matter there is also a melrose place mailing list,
melrose-place-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu
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From: jamisen@krazykat.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Alison and Billy
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:41:12 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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Originator: jamisen@krazykat.engin.umich.edu


I just get so frustrated because (yes I know Billy is just a character)
when someone as nice and thoughtful as he is comes along then I think their potential is being wasted.  That is if two people like each other.

I agree on there should be platonic friendships on television but the
reason I am hooked to MP is because of the sparks between the two of them.
From: dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Cancellation
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:53:35 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo / Recreation

In article <1k2jmaINNk67@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson) writes:
> 
> I live in Southern Michigan and unfortuanately Fox here also carries
> the Pistons games which are always WEd night.  Does anyone know
> when this episode will be showing after that.  Last time it was pre-empted
> it was on Saturday at 7.  
> Please if any Detroiter or michigander knows (or any
> one else for that matter
I am in Toledo and I get FOX 50 Detroit, as well as Toledo Fox.  Both stations
carry Piston's games.  Usually you can find shows on different times.  If you
watch on weekends, one or two hours before primetime, or late night After
primetime, these sations will show shows they need to catch up on.  I have
found sometimes I don't even have to use the VCR cause they show the shows at
different times.   
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From: mary@lgc.com (Mary Peterson)
Subject: Re: Mrs Motley Crue on next week
Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:25:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.084903.1193@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin) writes:
|> I watched the show last night... rerun rorell.....
|> But on the previews There was Heather Locklear who will be on the show... Oh be
|> still my heart, my mid-1980's Television "blonde" heroines on the same show,
|> (Heather Locklear, and Courtney Thorne-Smythe)
|> Anyone know if this will be a guest starring, or recurrent, or regular
|> character?

She has a recurring role but how long recurring is who knows? I think she is
getting introduced mainly to push the Billy/Allison romance. So once it's pushed
she is probably out the door, or at least only on once in a while like the woman
VP confidant Allison currently has. I guess my hopes are fading for only a platonic
relationship between Allison and Billy. I guess they think the only way men and
women can be close, or best friends is if one is a homosexual, i.e. Matt & Rhonda.
Wake up writers, not everyone on the show needs to be involved romantically with
each other. 
-- 
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From: dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Mrs Motley Crue on next week
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:49:03 EST
Organization: University of Toledo / Recreation

I watched the show last night... rerun rorell.....
But on the previews There was Heather Locklear who will be on the show... Oh be
still my heart, my mid-1980's Television "blonde" heroines on the same show,
(Heather Locklear, and Courtney Thorne-Smythe)
Anyone know if this will be a guest starring, or recurrent, or regular
character?
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Dan Galvin
dgalvin@uoft02.bitnet
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From: joyce@meaddata.com
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: SHUE--THORNE-SMITH REAL-LIFE ROMANCE
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:58:21 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kiwi.meaddata.com

To all MP fans out there: did anybody see the piece of news that
appeared last November that Andrew Shue (Billy) and Courtney
Thorne-Smith (Alison) are now more than just platonic in real life? It
is said that the producers are trying to keep the news quiet because
of the repercussions it might have on the show. Any
comments/responses, please post.


Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: Inbred Jed (Mike Judge) 
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:16:10 GMT

davros@draco.unm.edu (Seymour Butt) writes:

> During thee credits i noticed that inbred jed was done by
>mike ????  of mike and spike fame
>has thier been anything else about inbred jed except the one shown on 
>liq. tv

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From: olson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:19:32 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

It's funny, when I posted my complaints about the one episode of
Aeon Flux I had seen, half of the people that responded supported
the contrived aspect of the animation, the illogical basis of it etc...
saying that I was missing the artistic value etc...
Then, another half of the posters said my complaints were sort of
valid, but that they were too serious because the things I
complained of were deliberate attempts at parody by the animator.
Well, for one thing, perhaps the animator did fail 
in making it a clear parody, since the only one's who recognized this 
were people who had heard/seen the animator explain this.

Although a lot of people who disagreed
with what I said about an absence of logic raised the cry that 
"animation does not have to maintain a basis in reality".
Well, I'm not really talking about reality, I'm talking about logic.  
I think there always has to be a central logic to these things.  One 
person wrote that perhaps Aeon lives in a non-Newtonian universe
and that is why she can perform the feats she does.  Well if that is the
case, then perhaps it should have been established by the animator.
It just does not make sense if a phenomenon happens right out of thin 
air if no logical basis for the action is maintained within the storyline.
I think the comedian John Cleese said something about this in his criticism
of comedy.  He basically said that in a skit you can have a guy who is 
standing in a barrel and does his comedy in a barrel, but it does not make
sense if there is no logic behind why the guy has to be in the barrel -
there has to be some central logic to explain why the barrel is incorporated
in the skit and why it is necessary.  There is no logic to why Aeon can 
launch herself while dangling in mid-air.

BTW, for an example of good action animation I would recommend an
animated short called Lazar, although
I don't know the name of the person who did Lazar. 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:54:29 GMT
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu's message of 25 Jan 93 23:43:23 GMT


In article <ed.728005403@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:

   I talked to someone (Ms.Wilson) at Colossal Pictures today and she
   confirmed that, yes, there will be a third season of LIQUID TELEVISION.
   The exact contents won't be confirmed until the beginning of February,
   but she was able to say that AEON FLUX will return.

Yes!! Excellant!

   She also told me that MTV is considering TWO 30 minute spin-offs of
   LTV.  No solid decisions, but she said AF is a good prospect.  She said
   WINTER STEELE and DOG-BOY would be her choices if she were doing the
   choosing.  

NNNNNoooooooooooo!!!  Tell her Aeon Flux all the way!  Winter Steele
should be put out of her misery, and Dog-Boy should be put to sleep!


Spidey!!!

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: york@oakland-hills.lucid.com (Bill York)
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Reply-To: York@Lucid.COM
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:28:38

In article <C1Dqoq.JrF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:

   I agree with this.  In fact, when I first saw Aeon Flux, I thought it
   was some serialized version of Heavy Metal.  I had no idea it was
   intended to be a parody of anything because it seemed to be emulating
   (not mocking) exactly the ultra-violent images in Heavy Metal.

Well, part of the problem level here is that the ultraviolence level
in the mainstream (e.g. Rambo, Terminator N) is so high that it is
hard to do an "over-the-top" parody.  The scene in which AF runs down
a hall flanked by two galleries of machine-gun-firing opponents and
not only doesn't get hit but manages to kill them all might seem more
like a parody of the action-adventure drama if you hadn't seen AS
(Arnold Schwartzenegger (sp?)) kill as many as easily during his
storming of the bad guy's villa in Commando.


"Where's Solly?"
"I let him go."
From: wooledge@ces.cwru.edu (Greg Wooledge)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:08:22 GMT
Organization: Crusaders for Truth
NNTP-Posting-Host: john.ces.cwru.edu

olson@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Well, for one thing, perhaps the animator did fail 
>in making it a clear parody, since the only one's who recognized this 
>were people who had heard/seen the animator explain this.

Actually, Peter Chung (the creator) said in the interview which was posted
here that he had to tell MTV it was a parody in order to get them to show it.
Now, there are certainly elements of exaggeration in Aeon Flux (esp. the
first season, to which this thread has been referring).  Her ability to leap
cat-like from a rope and land where she wants to, and her apparent ability
to dodge bullets, are just two examples of it.  But to categorize the show
as a simple "parody" is not justified when it is considered as a whole.

>I think there always has to be a central logic to these things.

But there is.  There are two separate Aeon Flux stories, or realities if
you prefer.  I'll take them individually.

In the first season, the six (?) episodes make a continuous story, in which
our heroine performs superhuman feats and is finally defeated by a
trivial detail.  (Her "Achilles' Heel", if you will.)

In the second season, events are much more confused.  She is more fallible,
and dies in every episode, by one means or another.  Characterizations and
certain plot elements (one side fights the other) are maintained from
episode to episode, but the story changes each time.

As long as you don't try to compare the two seasons too much, each of them
is internally consistent.  Even the second, once you get beyond the fact
that Conservation of Life is not a law here. :)
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From: doctor@phobos.unm.edu (Tom Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: gifs wanted
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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Does anyone out there have any gifs/jpgs from the show?  I would like to get
a print out to stink on my wall (and other peoples walls as well. hehe)

Thanks!!

-Josh
From: bissett@acs.bu.edu (Robert Bissett)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:41:40 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA



"Dog Boy" sucks...


Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: 122548592@vill.edu (FARRIS, KING)
Subject: Opinion '93 UPDATE!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:24:00 GMT


HEY! EVERYONE ON THE NEWSGROUP!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that I have your attention, I want to tell ALL OF YOU that I've received a
measly TWO VOTES for my opinion poll! TWO VOTES! Two of you cared to e-mail me!
People, I can't decide a locked contest! See the original post for details, but
E MAIL AND VOTE!!!!!!!!
				Thanks!

Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: 122548592@vill.edu (FARRIS, KING)
Subject: Opinion '93
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:51:00 GMT

Just to prove that this nesgroup isn't all GIFs (whatever the hell they are),
I'm giving all subscribers the opportunity to VOTE '93! Here's the question!

	Which is more tasteless:   BEAVIS AND BUTTHEAD 
					   or
				     BOBBY AND BILLY?

E-mailing of votes is appreciated. Poll ends February 12, 1993.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:02:01 EST
From: <ELM113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Dog Boy for 30 minutes?

     WHAT?  Dog Boy for 30 minutes?  Pardon me, monsieur, but WOOF!

     Guess it's time to yank out all of my Schwarzenneger movies again....
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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
Subject: Re: Aeon Flux = bad animation
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:25:45
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In-reply-to: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:49:46 GMT


ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) said:

Ed> It may help you to know that it wasn't MERELY a parody...it was sold
Ed> to LTV as that.  There was a real plot...sort of a surreal spy-
Ed> thriller.  The "parody" element was merely part of it.

This is an important point.  The entire mood of AF is not 100% farce
or joke, but the cynicism is there under the skin, if you will.  It's
a part, albeit an important one.


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.liquid-tv
From: furiop@jec302.its.rpi.edu (Paul Joseph Furio)
Subject: Re: LIQUID TV NEWS!!!
Reply-To: furiop@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:36:10 GMT

The song is by "Was (Not Was)" and the animators are listed in the credits.
End of Story.

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