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From: rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French)
Subject: Radar-use info for Northern CA
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:40:06 GMT

I just spent 5 days driving around northern CA (Shasta, Burney, Lava
Beds, Lassen) with a side trip to Yosemite.  Almost every little town
up there uses Radar (both K and Ka band), and has a trap sitting at
the start of a 25mph zone at the city boundary.  Most cruisers seem to
leave their radar guns on all the time, even when they're just driving
around.

		Rob
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Commute From Stockton
Keywords: long, tiresome
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ca.driving,ba.general
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:22:20 GMT

In article <17878@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez008579@othello.ucdavis.edu (Dudley McFadden) writes:
>In article <1639@wreg.fsd.mot.com> mark@fsd.mot.com (Mark McCraney) writes:
>
>>Hi every one out there.  I am considering moving to Stockton California
>>and commuting to the Bay Area.  Has anyone considered doing this or has
>>already done this.  I would like to here opinions.  How is the commute?
>>How is Stockton California?  Thanks.
>
>I'd start now to urge your employer to establish a vanpool, either all the
>way to Stockton or to a park-and-ride point.  Another recent reply to your
>article mentions a future rail connection; perhaps your employer would run
>a shuttle to the nearest train station.  Stockton has its nice parts and
>some slightly depressed parts (both socioeconomically and geographically;
>remember the floods) but ex-urbanites should be warned to get accustomed 
>to the agricultural aromas...
>
also, call VPSI, the van pool people - they probably have a list of
vans going back & forth....


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From: c60c-3gi@web-3e.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Parking on the Southside (was: Berkeley Traffic Court)
Keywords: Fight Your Ticket!!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:17:02 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley


I stopped a metermaid again today to ask exactly where motorcylces can
park legally.  This time the lady told me that as long as the motorcycle
is 3 feet away from the T marker, it is legal anywhere, either in between
the cars or if a bunh oc motorcycles take up one space.  (provided the
meter is fed)  (I wondered when she told me that if the motorcycle is parked
in between cars and also three feet away from the markers, it is legal...
when is that ever gonna happen?)

---Masayuki Karahashi
c60c-3gi@web.berkeley.edu
"Project 3 is easy, so I think it'll stay with CS"
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: barrey@Novell.com (Barrey Jewall)
Subject: Re: PARKING LAWS
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:08:48 GMT


In <23.15.uupcb@midiline.la.ca.us> xeons!xeon.the.mage@midiline.la.ca.us 
(Xeon The Mage)  writes:

>You can park with your wheels 12 inches from the curb and still be legal
>if I remember correctly.

18 Inches from right wheel to curb, according to the CVC.

Bah                             
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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: jeffr@Ingres.COM (Jeff Rosenberg)
Subject: need info on CHIPS detectors
Reply-To: jeffr@Ingres.COM (Jeff Rosenberg)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: ca
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:06:49 GMT

does anyone have any experience with CHIPS detectors. i seem to have lost
my info. on them. i am curious if these things are effective at all. 
any info. would be appreciated.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Sales Tax on Used Cars
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:02:28 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <6OCT199208462335@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com> fascetti@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (ISVAX  7740 FASCETTI      25627) writes:
>Hi,  I had a few questions regarding sales tax on used cars.
>
>First,  if I buy a used car from a private individual, do I have to pay
>sales tax?  If so, when and where do I do this?

You pay sales tax at the time you register it with the DMV. Be prepared to
pay it then.

>
>If I trade-in my car and get another used car from the dealer, do I pay
>sales tax on the price of the dealer's car, or do I pay on the difference
>between the price of his and what he's giving me for mine?

You pay sales tax on the price of the dealer's car. How you pay for
the car isn't important (you are paying part of the price of the new
car with the value of the old car).

The only way to get around this legally is to inherit the car.

If your private party is willing, along with you, to commit perjury,
you can make out a bill-of-sale showing he sold it to you for
some absurdly low price. Be prepared to stare-down the DMV-person
who handles this, especially when they tell you to your face that
lying on this form is perjury. (Prosecutors, take note: I am not
suborning perjury. I'm merely stating the facts.)
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Parking on the Southside (was: Berkeley Traffic Court)
Keywords: Fight Your Ticket!!!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:30:01 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Oct1.051702.26330@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60c-3gi@web-3e.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi) writes:
>
>I stopped a metermaid again today to ask exactly where motorcylces can
>park legally.  This time the lady told me that as long as the motorcycle
>is 3 feet away from the T marker, it is legal anywhere, either in between
>the cars or if a bunh oc motorcycles take up one space.  (provided the
>meter is fed)

   So, if the meter isn't fed, which cycle gets the ticket?
From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: Parking on the Southside (was: Berkeley Traffic Court)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:00:09 GMT

I don't understand what you mean by "the T marker."

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From: mark@fsd.mot.com (Mark McCraney)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,ba.general
Subject: Commute From Stockton
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:35:20 GMT
Distribution: ca.driving,ba.general,ca.general
Organization: Motorola Field Service Division, Pleasenton, CA

Hi every one out there.  I am considering moving to Stockton California
and commuting to the Bay Area.  Has anyone considered doing this or has
already done this.  I would like to here opinions.  How is the commute?
How is Stockton California?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: Berkeley Traffic Court
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:27:16 GMT

Ronald Cole (rjc@devo.unify.com) wrote:
: In a settled statement, it's the judge's statement that goes to the
: appellate court...  Sounds pretty fair, huh?  I would do three things
: at or after arraignment to improve my odds:

Good advice, generally.  My understanding is that the defendant and the
judge have to agree on a "settled statement" (usually at a special hearing).

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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: fine-based restriction on driving school
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:48:09 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames


I've been looking in the CVC, but I can't find this...

What's the dollar-limit on going to traffic school?  I have a $271
fine, and was told I'd have to see a judge to get the fine lowered so
that I can go to traffic school... The problem is, I don't know how
low it needs to be.  (I assume the judge will, but I'd like to know in
advance.)

Thanks

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From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Commute From Stockton
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:12:18 GMT
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA

I read in Bus Ride (or a simlar magazaine, that the Stockton Tranist
(known as SMART) does operate some service to the Bay Area _Livermore I
belive, check with SMART service, perhaps they could help you
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rjc@devo.unify.com (Ronald Cole)
Subject: Re: Berkeley Traffic Court
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California
Distribution: ba
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:52:29

In article <1992Oct3.043602.7642@netcom.com> dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:
   Yes, an appeal is an uphill battle; and probably fruitless.  But the lack
   of a trial record is not a bar.  You and the judge propose statements of
   fact and have a special hearing to resolve the two.

In a settled statement, it's the judge's statement that goes to the
appellate court...  Sounds pretty fair, huh?  I would do three things
at or after arraignment to improve my odds:

1) File Notice of intention to tape record the proceedings per Rule 980(f)
   "unless otherwise ordered for cause"
2) File Demand for court reporter to take transcripts at all hearings
3) File Demand for transcripts of all proceedings

Then bring your own tape recorder to the trial, just to keep the judge
honest if the court elects not to record the proceedings.

And always, *always*, appear specially and not generally.  The judge
will usually be a little more civil if he doesn't have an audience.

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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James)
Subject: Re: Aggressive driver profiles
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 00:39:52 GMT

In <183651@pyramid.pyramid.com> jmuth@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (John Muth) writes:

:)What, you mean people sometimes do stupid things because they think it
:)looks cool?!? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked....


Can we talk for a minute then about LOWERED carse?  If only people realized
how idiotic this looks.  At least this might be justified by better
handling, but if I had a sledgehammer everytime I got stuck behind one of
these in a mall, driving about 1mph over speed bumps...  ARRRRGGGGG!!!
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From: ez008579@othello.ucdavis.edu (Dudley McFadden)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,ba.general
Subject: Re: Commute From Stockton
Keywords: long, tiresome
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:01:38 GMT
Followup-To: ca.driving
Distribution: ca.driving,ba.general
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1639@wreg.fsd.mot.com> mark@fsd.mot.com (Mark McCraney) writes:

>Hi every one out there.  I am considering moving to Stockton California
>and commuting to the Bay Area.  Has anyone considered doing this or has
>already done this.  I would like to here opinions.  How is the commute?
>How is Stockton California?  Thanks.

I'd start now to urge your employer to establish a vanpool, either all the
way to Stockton or to a park-and-ride point.  Another recent reply to your
article mentions a future rail connection; perhaps your employer would run
a shuttle to the nearest train station.  Stockton has its nice parts and
some slightly depressed parts (both socioeconomically and geographically;
remember the floods) but ex-urbanites should be warned to get accustomed 
to the agricultural aromas...

-- 
--Dudley McFadden     <demcfadden@ucdavis.edu>
  Water, water, all around...
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Aggressive driver profiles
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:14:31 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Ahren Reed <HF.ANR@forsythe.stanford.edu> writes:

	they were probably all mommies ...

Er, note that I didn't say that they were women driving Volvos, just
that they were driving Volvos.  What I thought was weird about that was
that Volvos are (purportedly) some of the "safest" cars around.  That
people who care enough to drive "safe" cars would be so agressive (and
stupid) was ironic.  To me, at least.

Interestingly, I own a VW Jetta/GLI (it's in storage while I'm here in
NYC), which is a fairly sporty car, but I usually rent a Volvo 240 when
I'm in town (which is often) ...

/jordan
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: CVC question -- officer pulling over multiple vehicles
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:55:21 GMT
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA

I heard of an epoise a long time ago, where a cop was speeding over 20-50
mph on a highway, and a citizen did stop him and ask the officer for his
ticket book so the citizen could cite him for speeding, of course that
didn't happen, yet the citizen called the cop's supervisor and the cop got
a remperimand. I think that what I recall
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: fascetti@isvax.lmsc.lockheed.com (ISVAX  7740 FASCETTI      25627)
Subject: Sales Tax on Used Cars
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:46:10 GMT

Hi,  I had a few questions regarding sales tax on used cars.

First,  if I buy a used car from a private individual, do I have to pay
sales tax?  If so, when and where do I do this?

If I trade-in my car and get another used car from the dealer, do I pay
sales tax on the price of the dealer's car, or do I pay on the difference
between the price of his and what he's giving me for mine?

Is there any way around this tax?!?

Thanks for the help..

Mike
fascetti@lmsc.lockheed.com


Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross)
Subject: Re: Berkeley Traffic Court
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:54:45 GMT

George Wu (gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com) wrote:
: -
:      Well, as long as someone brought up the subject, I've recently
: contested two tickets in Berkeley, and I'm batting .500.  Oh, note
: that I've set followups to ca.driving.
: 
:      The first ticket was a radar ticket for speeding on Adeline.
: This area and nearby sections of Martin Luther King and Ashby are
: places to really watch out.  The gist of my argument was there's
: no way the radar gun could have locked onto my motorcycle in the
: midst of traffic.  Hang 'Em High Rantzmann agreed, and proceeded
: to convict me "on the basis of the officer's visual estimate of
: your speed."
: 
Unfortunately, the radar ticket counts against your driving record, while
the one you got out of (handicap parking) doesn't, or wouldn't.

While I applaud your efforts to fight the system, be aware that the radar
use on Adeline is as bona fide speed trap anyway, and can't be entered
into evidence legally.  Go up to the City Engineer's office (a block from
the courthouse) and request the traffic survey for that area.  Then read
the Vehicle Code on speed traps; or, better yet, read Brown's _Fight
Your Ticket_.

There ought to be some kind of motion you can make to declare the officer's
testmony unfairly prejudiced once you prove that he used inadmissible
evidence knowingly (the radar on Adeline) to try to convict you.

Maybe you can appeal?

Also, Berkeley (unlike Oakland) will usually let you go to traffic school
following a contested guilty verdict.  My personal (fairly informed) view
is that Oakland's policy of prohibiting traffic school for those who
fight and lose is unconstitutional....

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From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,ba.general
Subject: Re: Commute From Stockton
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:55:13 GMT
Distribution: ca.driving,ba.general,ca.general
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Oct1.174226.3102@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt) writes:
>In article <1639@wreg.fsd.mot.com>, mark@fsd.mot.com (Mark McCraney) writes:
>|> Hi every one out there.  I am considering moving to Stockton California
>|> and commuting to the Bay Area.  Has anyone considered doing this or has
>|> already done this.  I would like to here opinions.  How is the commute?
>

With the price of houses in the Bay Area in free-fall, why move to Stockton?

Just go out and start making some lowball offers on houses which are 
convenient to your work, and I bet within 6 months you will be the proud
owner of one.  Think of all that commute time that you will have to be
able to play softball or go jogging, or whatever turns you on.

Of course, if you really LIKE Stockton...   [yeesh]

--Al Date
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Aggressive driver profiles
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:02:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.003952.20553@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James) writes:
>In <183651@pyramid.pyramid.com> jmuth@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (John Muth) writes:
>:)What, you mean people sometimes do stupid things because they think it
>:)looks cool?!? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked....

You mean like teenagers smoking cigarettes?  Oops, wrong newsgroup.
:-)-~

>Can we talk for a minute then about LOWERED carse?  If only people realized
>how idiotic this looks.  At least this might be justified by better
>handling, but if I had a sledgehammer everytime I got stuck behind one of
>these in a mall, driving about 1mph over speed bumps...  ARRRRGGGGG!!!

There's lowered for handling purposes (basic road-racer chic) and
lowered because it looks K00L.  Some of the lowriders in LA are
amazing achievements of suspension technology; with the hydraulic
jacks on all four corners, they can practically jump into the air!  I
think that's pretty neat, even if it's not something I would drive.  

But near the top of my list in the "why would anyone do THAT?!"
department is the lowered mini-pickup.  Most of these have removed all
hope of suspension travel, becoming nothing more than oversized
go-karts.  I'd want to wear a kidney belt if I was a passenger.

A friend in LA had a great story about one of those.  You know the
extra-wide rims that stick out waaaay beyond the fenders, with the
skinny low-profile tires with sidewalls stretched to the limit?  He
was following a mini-truck equipped with same.  The truck made a hard
left turn, pulling one of the tires off the rim, and proceeded to skid
into the curb, trailing a shower of sparks.  Oooooops.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen)
Subject: Re: fine-based restriction on driving school
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:56:35 GMT

>> I have a $271 fine 

Couldn't stay out of the CarPool lane, eh?
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Aggressive driver profiles
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:06:14 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov

In article <1992Sep27.003952.20553@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James) writes:
>
>Can we talk for a minute then about LOWERED carse?  If only people realized
>how idiotic this looks.  At least this might be justified by better
>handling, but if I had a sledgehammer everytime I got stuck behind one of
>these in a mall, driving about 1mph over speed bumps...  ARRRRGGGGG!!!

	Or if __I__ had an assault rifle every time I got stuck behind
	a tall sport utility vehicle/pickup truck and can't see what the 
	heck is going on in front of that vehicle....... Shreds my patience 
	to rags when I cannot do "look-ahead" driving.....RAT-A-TAT-TAT-TAT-...

	Particularly when there is _ONE_ redneck-type sitting in a one-ton
	pickup with an empty bed.... And I can't believe some folks COMMUTE
	in a LandCruiser/4Runner.......

	Prem!
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for FireWood
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:51:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.000811.19596@sierra.com> dgeary@sierra.com (David Geary) writes:
>
>  Can anyone recommend a place in the South end to buy a cord of
>wood?  I have no idea how much wood a cord should be, and therefore
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'd prefer an honest individual to buy from.  Also, whomever I buy from
>must be able to deliver (I live in Auburn), as I don't think I can quite 
>fit a cord into my Honda CRX (I *do* know a cord is bigger than that ;-).
>

4 x 4 x 8 feet.  Imagine a pickup truck filled up to just above the top
of the cab, with very little empty space between the pieces of wood.
Needless to say, you can't really deliver a cord of wood in one trip
with a pickup truck.  Sorry, I can't recommend a vendor.  Never bought
the stuff. :-)

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