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From: olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:31:22 CED
Organization: MXM Barthel & Paesler

In article <1992Aug27.224313.3608@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel) writes:
> :    So it's not "windows" but "window"? :-)
> 
> Yup, singular.  :)  It seems that if I close the status window while
> on-line it happens.  So I just don't use the status window.  ;)

   During development I noticed once that closing the status window could
produce an Enforcer hit. Having rewritten the input loop the error never
turned up again. May I ask which version of `term' you are using? The
official v2.3 release was compiled on August 22.

> PS:  How come you've got it hardwired so I can't use my CGTimes-13
> font for everything but the terminal text?

   Strange, you shouldn't be able to use CGTimes at all since it's a
proportional-spaced font (a beta v2.3 would allow using them, provided
you were running a special beta operating-system release). The user-interface
and the terminal simply won't properly support it. As for the user-interface,
a future operating system release may fix the bugs which currently prevent using
proportional-spaced fonts with some gadtools objects. The terminal
will probably never support them since all common computer terminals were
strictly speaking just extensions of glass teletypes (only fixed-width letters
available).

> (: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
> (: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
> (:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
> (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rhuynh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Richard Huynh)
Subject: HELP : Modem problems.
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:30:14 GMT


Hello,
	I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have a Netcomm 1234A
modem, I bought it secondhand so I don't have any manual. Anyway the
problem is that everytime I execute the 'atz' command the modem just
hang, and I have to switch it off, once it's off I can type in any other
at commands but 'atz'. Also once it's connected, it will work quite well
until an error or bad line noise occur and it would freeze, it seem to
only print the first bad character on the screen then hang, where as my
other modem just print any errors out on the screen.

		Hope someone can help,
		Richard.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: paws@spam.cray.com (Daniel Baehr)
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:28:22 CDT


In article <1992Aug29.183743.25326@nntp.uoregon.edu>, ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
> 
>    Is Eric Drewery still alive? Does he ever answer Email or US mail?
>    I've owned Paragon since 1990 or so, and have been a patient owner, but this
> guy is starting to really get on my nerves. Is something happening in his real
> life that's preventing him from responding to registered owner problems, or is
> he just being snooty? 
>    Flames >hell:, please. This is a legitimate Q, so I'd appreciate only
> legitimate answers.

    So, he pulled that stunt AGAIN!!  It was about this time last year when 
 he did the same thing.  HE disappeared and was gone for several months.  
 Just when I got DLG Pro software in the mail he returned.  I posted a
 message just like yours then to.  Looks like I made the right choice in 
 dropping Starnet!! 

> 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: teece@sol.UVic.CA ()
Subject: TERM2.3 as a vt-100
Originator: teece@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:56:02 GMT

Has anyone got the correct settings for TERM2.3 to make it work like a real
vt-100? Two uses I have for it are to log into our Gandalf StarMaster console
(which requires a vt100) or to log into our SUN running UNIX and the vi editor.
With the previous version of TERM or an actual vt-100, both devices can be
accessed with proper screen updates, cursor positioning etc. but now that I
have switched to TERM2.3, I get total gibberish on the StarMaster and improper
cursor positioning and unwanted characters instead of proper highlighting etc.
on the SUN. 

Any tips on correcting this would be appreciated.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:48:09 GMT

In <1992Sep4.020138.22215@ucc.su.OZ.AU> willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring) writes:
>>I haven't seen it yet on any of the FTP sites (I got it from a BBS here in
>>Sweden). I'll be back with more information if I find it.

>You may have a hard time finding it, as I have made a public request for everyone to delete it, which I think is working. I don't really mind anyway, tell me what you think.
Now when I know it was a beta version that went out, I think you're handling
correct.

Regards,
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From: tommyi@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Tommy The King)
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:41:45 GMT

In article <kehlet.06hg@kehlet.adsp.sub.org>, kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.013325.8441@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> coup@crs.cl.msu.edu (Chris Klaus) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I am getting a SupraFax 14.4K baud modem. But I use to have an
> > HST.  From one source, Ive heard that HST was faster than
> > SupraFax's protocal.  Like SupraFax would get only 1600 cps
> > transfering the same file as HST at 1800 cps.  Is there any validity
> > to that statement?  
> > 
> > Which is faster?  I would think they were the same.
> 
> The HST standard uses a backtalk channel at only 450 bps, when
> Supra/TwinCom etc.  uses a full-blown backtalk on 14,400 bps, so consider
> HST the slowest...
> 

...ehh...are all of you just stupid or what? the latest hsts run in 16800
baud and v.32bis runs in 14400 baud.. end of discussion...

_______  __ ______          _______ 
\  ___ \ \_|\  __ \\ /\   /\\  ___ \  /\          !! 1.2 Gig Amiga !!
 \/| |\ \| ||\/_/ // \ \ /  \\/| |\ \/  \
   | | \ \ ||    / \_/ // /\ \ | | \ \/\ \      +46-(0)18-463380 HST/V.32
   \ | / / |\ |\ \\   // /__\ \\ | / /__\ \     +46-(0)18-463383 HST
    \|/ / \| \|/ / \_//_____\\_\\|/ /___\\_\    +46-(0)18-463381 2400
      \/       \/                 \/
From: MLO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (LORETI, Maurizio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Kermit
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:51:59 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

'Kermit' as a standalone program does not exist for the Amiga; however you
can find a lot of communications program handling the kermit protocol.
What I use to connect to VAXes IBMs and Unixs is VLT, available from
Fish disks; in addition you need xprkermit, always from Fish disks.
The shareware/freely distributable communications programs are all
better than commercial ones. You will not find many postings in
comp.sys.amiga.datacomm referring to VLT, and for just one simple
reason: VLT HAS NO PROBLEMS ;-)

From Italy,           ciao             Maurizio

- Only my opinions ... --------- (programmer since 1968) --------- aka I3NOO. -
 Maurizio Loreti - University of Padova - Department of Physics - Padova, Italy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: tommyi@Minsk.docs.uu.se (Tommy The King)
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Reply-To: tommyi@minsk.docs.uu.se 
Organization: DVL, Uppsala University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:53:15 GMT

rkushner@sycom.mi.org (Ronald Kushner) writes:

>In an article, jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:

>>kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
>>

>>>So, stupid, get it:  HST is the past!  Even USR is going for V.fast 28,800
>>>and letting HST die now!!!
>>

>>  If you think that V.fast is going to go beyond 21k on the public phone 
>>system anytime soon, you're dreaming or on *very* good drugs... ;-)

>I can get a V.fast modem today from Motorola Codex which is supposed to do 
>24.4Kbps on the public network, and 115Kbps on lease lines..(and they will 
>upgrade it from free to the finalized V.fast standard one released)

No way!!  v.fast operates at 19200 on todays normal phonelines!!  in a
couple of years or when calling locally you'll get 28800 (MAYBE!)

_______  __ ______          _______ 
\  ___ \ \_|\  __ \\ /\   /\\  ___ \  /\          !! 1.2 Gig Amiga !!
 \/| |\ \| ||\/_/ // \ \ /  \\/| |\ \/  \
   | | \ \ ||    / \_/ // /\ \ | | \ \/\ \      +46-(0)18-463380 HST/V.32
   \ | / / |\ |\ \\   // /__\ \\ | / /__\ \     +46-(0)18-463383 HST
    \|/ / \| \|/ / \_//_____\\_\\|/ /___\\_\    +46-(0)18-463381 2400
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:10:26 GMT

Anyone who has tried XComm?  

I downloaded it from a BBS last night and the program is
for sure SUPER!. Some real nice features, but it seems to
have lots of bugs. Who has made this program?




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From: s915426@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Leanne Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:31:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
> Anyone who has tried XComm?  
> 
> I downloaded it from a BBS last night and the program is
> for sure SUPER!. Some real nice features, but it seems to
> have lots of bugs. Who has made this program?
> 

Isn't that a beta release that has do not distribute all over it.  Yeah - its
very buggy but then it is a Beta.  The interface looks very nice, although you 
would have to go a long way to change me over from Term (As its freeware and 
has everything I want) but I would take in preference to any other offerings at the moment.

Justin
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From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Forsale: Supra V.32bis Faxmodems $265
Summary: Supra V.32bis modems
Keywords: Supra V.32bis modems
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:39:42 GMT



  

 Hello World,
             I still have some of the Supra V.32bis Faxmodems left
 These are all brand new, shrink-wrapped and come with latest ROM 1.200C

  Model #     : SUPFAXV32BIS
  Description : SupraFaxModem V.32bis 
  Type        : External, standalone
  Data Speed  : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400/1200/300 bps data
                (upto 57000bps with V.42 data compression)
  Protocols   : Bell 103/212A,CCIT V.21/V.22/V.22bis/V.32/V.32bis/V.42/
	      : V.42bis, MNP 2-5, & MNP 10
  Fax         : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400 bps send/receive fax
	      : Class 1 & 2 commnads
	      : Group III compatible
  Transmission: V.17,V.29,V.27ter
  other       :
                non-volatile memory; autoanswer/autodial (tone or pulse); 
                extended AT commands and result codes; includes diagnostics, 
                phone jacks, subscriptions to free online services.
                5 year warranty.

  Asking : $265 + $7 (S&H)
   
Mubashir
P.S: I am willing to ship worldwide.
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Amiga User and Star Trek Fan (me too :)
I can be reached at Fax/phone : (601) 324-7324 
Internet : mac1@ra.msstate.edu          Bitnet   : mac1@msstate.bitnet
US mail  : PO Box 4887, MSU             UPS/FedEx: 110 Lynn Lane #33D 
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From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:56:00 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?

jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>  Name 2 currently supported native Amiga applications that utilize full-duplex
>communications...

  The answer isn't as relevant to this discussion as the REASON for the
answer.  High-speed asynch modems are NEW to the telecomunications world,
which is why things like Zmodem, SeaLink, Ymodem/etc all are very popular.

  Now that better modem technology exists, the protocols will move up with
it.  It didn't take long after V.32 itself started to get moving that a
few fidonet authors took ahold of Janus (OPUS and Binkley).

  The 'users interface' to current BBS's is too limited to make use of
this speed advantage, but that itself is being addressed by authors
workin on IEMSI based terminal software.  Setting up a 'basis' protocol
and allowing for multiple BBS sessions, background up/downloads/etc/etc are
features that we can now start to move more into now that the
modem technology is allowing for it.

 >  It don't save on phone costs like a 16.8k HST though.

  As my brother says, you have to be doing a fair amount of long distance
before the extra cost of a USR Dual modem over other V.32Bis modems saves
you any money.  When you are doing only 16.8 HST and I'm
doing 16.8 V.32Bis extended, 19.2K ZyXEL, FAX, Caller-ID, VoiceMail,
Call Screening/etc/etc, I hope you'll be happy with your view that you've
saved enough money to justify it ;-)

  (For reference, my bro (Who knows about USR modems, I don't look into them
any more) says that the U.S. Sysop price on a ZyXEL U-1496E is approximately 
half that of the USR Dual, and the ZyXEL E+ modem won't be much more and
will have likely have magnitudes more features than the USR)

>  -jack-
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Reply-To: markm@zerbin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Mark Montminy)
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:01:02 GMT

In article <richardc.04ob@vogue.adsp.sub.org>, richardc@vogue.adsp.sub.org (Richard Carde) writes:

->Now, I've been told he takes his holidays around this time of year, but this
->time he's told people he has another programming job and he's not talking
->about BBS's until that's complete in 2-3 months.

He's not bluffing, he does have another programming job that's taking all of
his time right now.  I believe he'll be done by the end of Sept, beginning of
Oct (I'd have to check the calendar).  I happen to know first hand since I
hired him for the job.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: rknop@cco.caltech.edu (Robert Andrew Knop)
Subject: Re: VLT Question
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:12:29 GMT

doerrhb@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Heath Doerr) writes:


>   I am having a small amount of trouble with VLT (senior) and I
>was wondering if someone could help me out.  When using VI, I cursor
>around with the arrow keys and the text that I back over (using left
>arrow key) disappears.  If I refresh the screen, everything is 
>still there, it just vanishes with the left arrow.  This also happens
>randomly when using the mouse support in VI.  Any suggestions?

Probably you have destructive backspace on.  (Menu item Destructive BS under
the Operations menu... hmm, sounds like the C= marketing division....)  Try
turning that off, and it will probably fix your problem.

(You will fix more problems if you stop using VI and get ahold of emacs, but
that's a "whole nuther" issue.)

-Rob Knop
rknop@tybalt.caltech.edu
From: pat@ocf.berkeley.edu (Patrick Horio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: INCREDIBLE AMIGA SALE - CHEAP !!!
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:47:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: ocf.berkeley.edu

I am selling a load of Amiga products at VERY CHEAP prices.  Everything
comes with all instructions, etc. and is in PERFECT, LIKE NEW condition.

Amiga 500 with CSA Mega-Midget Racer Accelerator (68030/68882 25 MHz),
  WB 2.0 Operating System, 1 Meg Chip Ram, 512k of 32-bit ram (on CSA board)

  $600 !!!

GVP Series II external HD with 52Meg Quantum LPS and 
  2 Megs of Ram installed (expandable to 8 Megs)  

  $350 !!!

Commodore 1084S stereo color monitor

  $150 !!!

I  am selling these cheap simply because I need money now !!!
I will split shipping&handling charges with the buyer as well.  If you
are interested, please mail me back at

pat@ocf.berkeley.edu 

or call me at  (510)643-2120

Thanx a lot and reply soon if you want to take advantage of this 
incredible deal !!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: tschille@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Thorsten Schiller)
Subject: SupraFax v.32bis modems
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:34:37 GMT

Greetings.

I was thinking of purchasing the new SupraFaxModem v.32bis in about 3 weeks
and a had a few questions...

I run a BBS and the majority of highspeed, local modem users have HST's. Does
anyone know of any problems that these users might experience if they try a
highspeed connection with the supra? (obivously, there is little point for
me to buy the modem if nobody will be able to take advantage of the high
speed connection ;-) ).

Also, how severe are the rom problems that I've been reading about? I remember
reading a while ago that someone could not use JrComm 'cause of some odd
behaviour of their supra upon connection to a host...

Lastly, can someone enlighten me to the specific difference between a 
Dual Standard HST and the suprafax? I thought I knew what the dual standards
were all about, but I must obviously be mistaken since they sell for over
$800 (canadian) locally and the suprafax sells for $309US (which, in itself,
is a powerful motivator for buying it instead ;-) ).

Thanks for any help!

Thorsten Schiller
tschiller@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
From: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (John Davis)
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:12:02 +1200
Reply-To: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: Chem Dept, Uni of Canty, Chch, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.UUCP) wrote:
> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> 
> >The HST standard uses a backtalk channel at only 450 bps, when
> >Supra/TwinCom etc.  uses a full-blown backtalk on 14,400 bps, so consider
> >HST the slowest...
> 
>   Name 2 currently supported native Amiga applications that utilize full-duplex
> communications...

well for a start what about people intending to run SLIP? There the
full-duplex capability _will_ be needed.
 
>   V.32bis is nice, standardized and getting cheaper all the time.
> 
>   It don't save on phone costs like a 16.8k HST though.

if you're just going to be using things like xmodem/zmodem - sure. If you
want to get exotic (use slip, bimodem or remote sernet/dnet) though the
full duplex capability would be more important than pure thruput (and
we're only talking a 16% speed diff between v32bis and the HST protocol here)

as always, you pays your money and you takes your choice..

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: V.Fast Transfer Rates
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:15:05 GMT

Fady_Kardoush@amusers.UUCP (Fady Kardoush) publicly declared:
>In a message dated Thu 27 Aug 92  2:47, Jack Radigan wrote:
> JR>   If you think that V.fast is going to go beyond 21k on the public
> JR> phone 
> JR> system anytime soon, you're dreaming or on *very* good drugs... ;-)
>
>Well, usually they do not consider that when a new item is in creation. :)
>BUT - With the new fiber-optic cables, heck! Who know how much you can
>pull!

Oh, about the same as over copper, really.  Maybe a little more.  Until
they give you a digital connection to your home you're going to be
limited by the 3000 Hz bandwidth of voice grade analog phone lines.  I
personally think it's pretty darned amazing that they can squeeze
14,400 bps into 3000 Hz of bandwidth!

I've heard the V.Fast standard described this way:  Don't think of it
as a data standard that can do 28,800 bps.  Think of it as a standard
that normally does 19,200 bps BUT UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS can go as
high as 28,800.

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