From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION: Translation help, bitte.
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:27:55 GMT
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 wltaylor@wam.umd.edu (William L. Taylor) writes:

>Speaking as a former diplomat, I find this mysterious Nazi
>official to be surprisingly transparent, compared to the mealy-
>mouthed Quatsch that emanates so regularly from ...

	sometimes overstating and posturing is chosen, sometimes
	ambiguity; as a former diplomat you probably know that
	you can't trust either to mean anything reliably ...


>But how could anyone, regardless of the year, the context, or the
>sandstorm outside, hear the phrase "Vernichtung des im arabischen
>Raum ... lebenden Judentums" and not understand it to mean the
>destruction of all Jews, their culture, synagogues, property,
>etc. in this particular geographic area?  Maybe I'm being obtuse,
>but I just don't see much room for misinterpretation.

	with that said, why did anyone deal with "the little dictator"
	after he spelled out in his book "Mein Kampf" what he had in
	mind and demonstrated with actions in Germany, Spain and Austria
	in the 30s that his mind was made up?
	Why the appeasement policy (and closed eyes) in Munich in 1938
	(and after as well as before?)

	That said, why did our (German and US) governments deal at
	all with more recent figures, such as the dictators in Chile,
	Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Honduras, Rumania, Iraq, etc..
	when the diplomats knew quite well (from their spooks if not
	from the horse's mouth) that they were killing people left and
	right?

	
>Also, I think we've overlooked a clue in the original text:
>"Vernichtung des ... (dort) LEBENDEN Judentums."  To me, the use
>of "lebenden" indicates unambiguously that what's being promised
>is the destruction of people, rather than the much vaguer
>"Beseitigung des nationaljuedischen Heimats."

	no, I disagree.  I see the emphasis as "DORT lebende..."
	as I suspect that the writer was trying to downplay any
	concerns by the reader as to German plans or intentions
	to control the fate of "ANDERSWO lendende..." (i.e. in Arab
	lands NOT controlled by the British); on the other hand, it
	would appear implicitly clear (if the German annihilation policy
	was ever spelled out in any detail) that the Germans would
	favour (and delight in assisting) the Arabs taking a decidedly
	"nasty" attitude (and actions) also...


> In closing, I'd like to second the motion for more Vergangenheits-
> bewaeltigung here in the U.S. -- and everywhere else, for that matter.

	isn't that the truth!  let's see if we can get the low-down of
	what Mr. Bush "knew and when he knew it" (regarding dictators and
	activities of dictators in Panama, Iraq, Honduras, Nicaragua, and
	spooks in the employ of the US-govmt here, there, and everywhere)

	I also wonder if we'll ever REALLY learn "the dirt" on F.J. Strauss,
	the Mexicon ongoing revolution (it truely is a revolution in how
	a country and people is cheated and robbed, all in the name of a
	people's revolution) - and I am particularly interested in those
	two case, because of the importance of the US role in both cases.
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