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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Master, Donnie Most College of Acting, UIUC)
Subject: Re: ACC UPDATE & SUMM'S (1-22-92)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:43:31 GMT

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>WAKE SHAFTS TECH, 81-58

>Tech has lost 3 straight now, two of those at home to unranked teams.

>Wake is 2-2 in the ACC, with two home losses and two home wins.

And this is the team that beat Duke?  Somebody pinch me and say it was just
a bad dream... Virginia I can handle, but...
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From: frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov (Jim Frohnofer)
Subject: My mistake
Organization: National Library of Medicine, Bethesda Md. USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:35:22 GMT

Previous article was clearly intended to be a followup to 'What's a Billican'.

I have nothing to add about the Hoya's.  (Though if pressed, I think the problem
was Thompson didn't expect them to run either.  That and UNLV had more
talent. Perhaps John was a little too eager to get to the tables.)

Jim
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From: yann@owlnet.rice.edu (Yann Erik Christensen)
Subject: Re:Rice 67 Texas Tech 59
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:25:28 GMT

more on the game:

Brent Scott played just 21 minutes and did not score in the first half.  He picked
up two fouls in the first two minutes and Wilson sat him on the bench
for the rest of the half.  Adam Peakes went out as well with an ankle injury but
came back to play some more but only lasted a few minutes before sitting out
the rest of the game.  So with two starters out the first half Rice still managed
be ahead by five at the half and in control of the game.  Scott came back in 
the second half but again got into foul trouble, fouling out with about
two minutes left.  After he picked up his fourth, Wilson rotated Scott and
Todd Schottelkotte (the transfer from Purdue) so Scott played offense and
Todd defense but Scott still managed to pick up his fifth on a very questionable
call that looked like charging on Tech.  In fact just about every call went
Tech's way at the end but they choked horribly at the free throw line, shooting
just 25% for the night, and 1-8 down the stretch.  Scott Tynes fouled out as
well.  Marvin Moore was unable to get much going from three point land (1-9).
Overall, I was impressed with the way we played in the first half with Scott
and Peakes out.  The second half, however, was riddled with lots of stupid
turnovers with players forecasting their passes, setting up easy steals.  
Tech would have had a great chance of winning if they had hit their 
free throws down the stretch.  Redshirt freshman Ali Bell showed promise
once again on both sides of the court, and freshman McGhee hit key free
throws near the end to put the game away.  In my opinion, we would have
lost had the game been on the road.  Hopefully they show more concentration
this Saturday in an important game at Baylor.  If they win then they will
most likely meet UH undefeated in SWC play.  

yann 
ps. i'm sure glad i didn't buy my parents tickets for the UT game.
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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:23:02 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>>
>>On a personal note, Gary, are you any relation to Lute?  

>What's going on here?  Coupla weeks ago somebody on the pro group
>calls Jim Oliver a Celtics fan; now this.
>At this rate, somebody will soon refer to Exby as ``the Hoosier fanatic.''
>--Gidi

good god, I hope you are never right Gidi.  I may have to take out
and ad in Soldier_of_Fortune to have the mistaken fool whoever
posts that taken care of.

::j
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Ohio State Summary
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:30:39 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
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Too true.  You can almost see it in Jalen's eyes.  When he gets that
big grin and starts dribbling it real high, it's time to call a TO, baby!!
(and change point guards)

Fortunately it goes the other way, too.  Most of the time.
When they're focused, they're deadly.


-- 
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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: The art of getting fouled. Re: tOSU 69 - IU 96
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:18:50 GMT

In article <1k1ku1INNivs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci) writes:


>...  Maybe it was just hot dogging, but I would like to have another
>close look at the position of the other player.  Not that the call would
>have made that much differeence, but it seemed he didn't deserve
>some of the comments the announcers made.

Excuse me, but what does the travelling call have to do with the position
of the defender?  It was not an offensive foul.

>And even though the players are good at getting calls, I'm sure that
>the refs didn't hesitate when they had a little doubt in their minds
>who to favor - I mean at one point it was 19-3 IU advantage from the
>free throw line.  Sure, you say, OSU is an inexperienced team.  But
>the numbers were worse last year with the four seniors, JJ, and
>Funderburke.  I guess that Randy is just too clean for that sort of
>thing.

How often we hear from fans, "look, my team shot only 4 free throws and
the steenkin' opposition 196 -- therefore the refs were bought off."

You may *not* logically infer from a lopsided ratio of fouls called that
the game was mis-called.  It is equally if not more probable that one team
was better at drawing fouls, or, one team was really sloppy, or both.

				-- Marek


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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:17:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.153510.12750@Shiva.COM> marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio) writes:

>...  I don't think anybody said that
>UVa was the best team in the country, just that they deserved to be ranked #1.
...
>Marty Del Vecchio
>Software Engineer

What are we saying here?  that a poll of the best teams in the country is
not a poll of the best teams in the country?  Since when is an AP poll a
normalized league standing based on win-lose ratios?

I could see someone claiming that Duke got lucky not being the best team in
the country when winning the NCAA last year, but I cannot quite see someone
claiming that a team should be ranked number one while everybody knows it
is not the best team in the country -- ranking is a collective perception,
not a registry of scores.  Besides UVA did not have a set of score to base
that perception on.  Just another perception.  Think of polls as futures,
like pork bellies, only more fun to argue about.  UVA's pork bellies just
took a dive.

				-- Marek
From: rpandey@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: ASU/UA report anyone?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:02:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
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gregt@hfglobe.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:

> Did anyone (Gary) manage to catch the ASU UA game last Wed?
> I understand that UA came back from 13 down to win by 4.
> ASU took 31 three point attempts and are on a pace to
> break UK's season record.  Can anyone beat UA in tha PAC-10
> this year????

 UA is very strong in a not-so-strong Pac-10 this year. UA could lose
 to one of the LA schools on their home floor (not likely). I think
 the only real threat to UA this season may be the Jan. 30 game against
 Oregon State at Gill Coliseum.

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:54:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <C17r3G.CDr@rice.edu> micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen) writes:
>1. Jeff Jones had a good point the day before the UNC game when
>he said that there seemed to be a tiered system of ranked teams
>with a more or less elite top six (including UNC) and a more
>or less equally matched second six (including UVa.)

Hell, I guess that makes us last in our division.  Man, this is almost
like it was way back when I first started following Duke...

- Rob Mac K


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From: mkain@asns.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Mike Kain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State vs. Indiana Prophecy
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:34:24 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin Engineering Offices

In article <C1CD3y.2H9@andy.bgsu.edu> (EZB) writes:
>
>
>The OSU-Indiana game will be quite a battle, however, the Bucks will come
>out on top.  The Buckeyes have one edge that will propell them to victory,
>he is Greg Simpson, two-time Mr. Basketball of Ohio.  He is from Lima and
>tomorrow will be his coming out party where he will score 35+ points!  This
>may seem to be a bold prediction, but you cannot control Greg Simpson, you
>can only contain him.  Bobby Knight will be on his knees praising the new
>god of basketball!!!!!!!! 


OOOOHH....  Wow.  How to those words taste the day after????????

Just if you forgot...

INDIANA 96
tOSU    69

I can't wait for the rematch in Columbus, though.  It should be a closer game.

GO INDIANA!!!!
GO DELAWARE!!!


-- 

 Mike Kain                              | Unisys Corporation            
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Re: One two punch
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:50:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.100010.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ghjelmstad@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>
>>	Two weeks ago, Georgia Tech played its best game of the year and
>>beat Duke.  It had the unenviable task next of playing Carolina.  Predictably,
>>Tech didn't have enough to deal with the Tar Heels and lost.  Then what       
>>happened?  A horrendous slide.
>>	Last week, Virginia upset Duke, only to face, and lose to, UNC the next
>>game.  What did they do after that?  They lost to that same Ga. Tech squad that
>>was playing so horribly.
>>	Yesterday, Florida State upset Duke, and guess who they face next?  
>>That's right, UNC.  (It's an interesting twist that these three teams play Duke
>>and Carolina back to back, and Duke had to take the first crack.  I wonder how
>>the schedule will shape up the second half of the season.)
>
>So, what happens after the Duke-Carolina game on Feb 3rd?
>
>..do the Tarholes get to go off and play with themselves ???

Yes, they do, and the resulting space time continuum reflux implodes the
universe!!!


John Conroy.


>
From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rules question
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:25:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1993Jan25.203202.136@cs.tulane.edu> keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher) writes:
>
>  Two questions actually:
>
>#1) Excluding technical fouls, is it possible to score more than 5 points
>    on a single possession?  Is there any way to score 5 other than a good
>    3-pt attempt and a foul away from the shot in the double bonus?
>

Intentional foul. Makes both free-throws. In bounds ball. Then gets fouled while shooting and
making a 3-point shot. Makes free-throw. 6 pts. 1 trip down the court.

Looks feasable.
--sas
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rules question
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:25:35 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <81162@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>Isn't there a deadball situation if the net gets hung up on the rim after 
>a made shot.  Whenevern I've seen this happen, the refs always stop play and
>throw the ball up and knock the net loose from the rim.  For obvious reasons,
>I think its downright hilarious when this happens so as to prevent Duke from
>running a fast break and they go up against a set defense.

	You may think that situation is hilarious, but actually it favors Duke
more often than not.  Duke's fastbreaks are most frequently after a turnover
rather than a made basket.  In fact, sometimes Duke doesn't get down the 
court quickly enough after scoring, and the other team gets an easy hoop, so
the above situation would help Duke (this happened [getting beat after a score]
multiple times against UVa).

	The clock is also stopped if a player of the team that just scored
interferes with the ball, delaying the other team from getting the ball in-
bounds.  The first time a warning is issued to each team, and each subsequent
time results in a technical foul on the offending team.

>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Refs Suck? (was Re: Duke Wins Doubleheader Game 1, 65-56)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:19:15 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

: Earl complained to the refs about the Duke players clearing out
: with the off-arm when driving to the basket.  Or does Earl always
: complain about this to the refs?
  ^^^^^^^^
Yes, among other things.  Acie would do well to mind his own game and let
the refs worry about theirs.

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From: robert@world.std.com (Robert Sadowski)
Subject: Re: The Biggest Upset of the Decade?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:11:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.162851.8128@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>How quickly they forget: Richmond over Syracuse in the 1991
>Tournament!  15 seed over 2!
>
>LBSU was #25 in the polls two weeks ago, and they lead the Big West.
>If the Tournament were to start yesterday, they'd probably get an 8-10
>regional seed, and Kansas would have been a #1.  So, looks like
>Richmond's upset was slightly bigger, no?

Yes. But remember, the Orangemen always have the "Boeheim Factor" to contend
with. No loss, however big or implausible,  really surprises me when Jim
is behind the bench.

==
Robert Sadowski
robert@world.std.com

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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: Ohio State vs. Indiana Prophecy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:17:59 GMT

Indiana by Funderburke and half a Skelton.  No contest.

					-- Marek
From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:53:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
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In article <1jkqvnINNr47@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Michael Lerner) writes:
> 
> Every other game or so, you hear Dickie Vitale commenting, "No one will ever
> go unbee-in in the Big 10 again."  Well, IU is an AMAZING 5-0 in Big 10
> play, with 13 (?) games to go.
> 
> Boy, you know it's a WEAKBig-10 when IU dominates THIS much! ;-)

	I'm a big IU fan, but I really don't think that they'll go undefeated  
the rest of the way.  The Big Ten is just too tough.  However, IU did make a  
big stride toward that possiblilty by winning the last three games on the road  
at Illinois, Michigan, and Purdue.
	I certainly don't think the Big 10 is weak as was said above.  Indiana  
is just awfully good.  If they ever learn to put together a complete game,  
they'll be unstoppable.
	
				Tony Erwin
--
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GO HOOSIERS!
PEROT '96
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From: cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: ACC Update
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:54:53 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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Note: Orin Day asked me to post an update since he temporarily
does not have net access. He will return next week.

Standings			ACC	Overall
---------
North Carolina			5-0	16-1
Florida State			5-1	13-5
Virginia			4-2	12-2
Wake Forest			3-2	11-3
Georgia Tech			3-2	10-4
Duke				2-3	14-3
Clemson				1-5	10-5
Maryland			1-5	10-6
North Carolina State		0-5	4-9


Scores
------

Saturday 1/23/93
Georgia Tech 74 Virginia 71
Maryland 70 North Carolina State 65

Sunday 1/24/93
Florida State 89 Duke 88 (OT)
North Carolina 70 Seton Hall 66
Wake Forest 74 Clemson 66

Monday 1/25/93
Virginia 93 William and Mary 84 (OT)

Tuesday 1/26/93
Clemson 82 Maryland 72
Duke 117 San Francisco 72

Schedule
--------

Wednesday 1/27/93
NC State at Georgia Tech, 7:30 p.m.
Wake Forest at Virginia, 7:30 p.m.
Florida State at North Carolina, 9:00 p.m. (ESPN)

Saturday 1/30/93
Duke at Maryland, 1:30 p.m. (Raycom/ACC)
North Carolina at Wake Forest, 4:00 p.m. (Raycom/ACC)
Virginia vs. Virginia Tech @Richmond Coliseum, 7:30 p.m.

Sunday 1/31/93
Clemson at NC State, 2:00 p.m. (Raycom/ACC)
Georgia Tech at Florida State, 4:00 p.m. (ABC Regional Telecast)



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U.Va. School of Engineering, Class of 1990  VV VV   1992 Women's ACC BB Champs.
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From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Biggest Upset of the Decade?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:12:59 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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This doesn't even come close.  LB St. is a very good team.  Why is it that
nobody gives the Big West enough credit?  LB St, UNLV, NM St, and UCSB 
could all make the NCAA tournament and win a few games.  The Big West
plays some serious basketball.  They are probably better than the Pac
Ten and WAC this year.

****************************************************************************
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University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: tecardwe@uncc.edu (Thomas E Cardwell)
Subject: Re: K-Who?
Keywords: K-Who?  Tarheels #1
Reply-To: tecardwe@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:30:07 GMT

North Carolina's only loss was to Michican by 1 pt in .1 seconds
This game was played 5+ hour of Tarheel Standard Time  (HAWAII) 
NEUTRAL SITE ..... NO HOME LOSSES & NO AWAY LOSSES

Thanks to whoever posted the Long Beach State victory by 15 pts over
Kansas at Kansas?

UNC is #1   one buzzer beater loss
Kansas #2   one blowout loss
IU --- #3   two loses.


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From: jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Possesion Arrow
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:53:04 GMT

	Since I was a table staffer for 4 years I figure I can give this a
shot. Any rule changes for this year I don't know about though. (I don't
think there are any.)

In article <8980@news.duke.edu> fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>	But when I do, which way does the arrow point?  Does it point toward
>the bench of the team which will get the next possession?  Does it point in
>the direction the ball will be going? 

	The arrow points in the direction the ball will be going. Thus, at
halftime when the refs come to the table to check that everything matches
between the books and the scoreboard they switch the arrow as well since
the teams will switch ends of the court. The NCAA scorebook also has spaces
at the bottom of one of the pages to keep track of the next possesion. This
is done using team names and thus provides a good check on the arrow.

>And when do they switch the direction
>of the arrow--when the whistle blows, when the ball is inbounded, or do they
>just watch me and switch it right before I look?

	I think it's just before one of the coaches looks at it, so inevitably
someone will scream about it. :) Actually most people don't change it at the
right time. It's not supposed to be flipped until the inbounds play is 
completed. There are a few weird things that could happen before the ball
comes inbounds (a coach complaining too loudly about a call and getting a
technical or something like that) which would result in the arrow not being
flipped. This almost never happens, so normally it gets flipped around the
time the ref hands the ball to the inbounding team.

--
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