From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:48:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.134718.25883@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
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>From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
>Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
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>In article <1992Aug19.033102.28965@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>f > "Frank" (Robin Collins)
>>
>>f > Some extremely intelligent people have been fundamentalists, or dogmatists.
>>f > Such is fuel for fascism.  I think some of the libertarians are right in
>>f > this area of thought (and which is why people like Chomsky call themselves
>>f > libertarian socialists, I suspect.) Any thoughts?
>>
>>  On what? That we agree that being an intellectual is no safeguard against
>>  falling for totalitarian's propaganda? Or that being an intellectual is
>>  no guarantee against being wrong, or just ignorant and stupid? Makes one
>>  wonder why so many intellectuals are of leftist persuasion, doesn't it?
>>
>>  Sometimes I think your average blue-collar Joe Steelworker has more sense
>>  and wisdom than all the lefty intellectuals infesting academia and the
>>  "elite".
>>
>>
>>--
>>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
>
>and that explains why your average Joe blue-collar steelworker is a socialist
>and votes NDP in Canada,Labour in the UK,SDP in Germany,
>socialist in france ,liberal-democrat in the US etc..

     You are just about flat out wrong.  Joe blue-collar steelworker in
the United States is fairly apt to be Republican.  Many blue-collar
fields are Republican conservatives.  You are making an unfounded
generalization to suggest otherwise.

>and Idiotic intellectuals like William F Buckley and Milton
>Friedman debate in an esoteric vaccumn totally out of
>touch with the cruel realities of poverty homelessness
>desperation crime etc...
>
>Your average Joe Bluecollar steelworker is a very sensible fellow
>and knows who's side he is on.

     Which is just as apt to be conservative in the United States as it
is to be liberal.  Don't assume that because the liberal Democratcs shout
that it is *they* who support the poor blue-collar workers that all of
the poor blue-collar workers support *them*.  Many, many do not.

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