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From: A25223@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Donald Logan)
Subject: INFO RQSTD: NEWTON TKD
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Aug 1992 06:00:38 MST


Is anyone out there familiar with Mack Newton, of NEWTON TAEKWON-DO?
He is currently a sixth-dan, and has schools in Chicago and Phoenix.
I am considering studying under him and am interested in opinions or
'reputation' type information.  I have met with him personally and
am impressed.

Many thanks...








Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: The rat, MA, and others
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.133759.11439@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>Hope you find humor, perhaps even insight in this :-)  Yes its true.
>
>Sat. night, I was sitting in a doorway downtown just out of the rain,
>greeting people.  A rat runs out of the storm drain right towards me.
>I see him, jump up and try to soccer style *plant left-kick right*
>boot him into the street.  Rat does a 180, zips back into the storm
>drain, with me on his heels.  EVERYBODY else goes, what was that!! 

Years ago when I lived in downtown Washington, D.C., I had a
similar encounter, but it ended differently.  Taking a shortcut
through the alley behind my apartment house one day, I rounded
the corner to find myself face-to-snout with a rat.  He
stopped and stared.  I stopped and stared.  Like a couple of
Aikidoka, I suppose, we each stood there waiting for the other
to make a move.

Being in more of a hurry, and convinced that my size gave me an
overwhelming advantage, I moved first.  With teeth bared and
growling as ferociously as possible, I made a few quick and
noisy steps toward the rat.  The idea was that he would see I
was the tougher rat and run away. Instead, old grizzly rat just
stood his ground.  Worse yet, he started making this horrible,
loud chittering noise.  Then suddenly, he jumped straight up in
the air a good 2' and came down running - directly at my ankles.
Thoroughly unnerved by now, I turned tail and ran like my life
depended on it.  I don't even know whether he actually chased me
or it was all a big fake since I didn't look back until I had
covered half a block or so.

So much for size.  The fight really does happen in your head.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: Rat's and stuff....
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:59:33 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of MD, College Park
Summary: 	-=-=-< humor >-=-=-
Followup-To: 	someone who you never heard of before....
Keywords: 	set humor bit > 0
Cc: radner@bushido.cray.com,doug@eng.umd.edu,ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

In article <1992Aug19.173907.27131@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:

>
>Geeeeezzzee......
>
>Only on the Usenet (rec.martial-arts) can I sit down and
>expect to see a discussion on applying martial arts to rats.
>
>What's next?  Non-vertebrate creatures? :)
>
>
>
>Marty
>
>Do


	can we take this 'thread' to the proper group (rat.martial-arts)
where it belongs!  thanks....*smile*
	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	and, as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

	"presidential elections are planned distractions
	 to divert attention from the actions behind the scenes....
	 like a game of chess when the house is a mess, or
	 a petty money squabble when your marriage is in trouble,
	 or a football game when there's rioting in the street!

	 it's just another movie.....  another song and dance.....
	 another poor sucker who never had a chance!
	 it's just another captain goin' down with his ship.....
	 it's just another jerk, taking pride in his work!

				       greetings from timbuck three!
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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Different Karate Fists
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:00:15 +0000



>  Now, in Aikido, we grab mainly with the last two or three fingers,
>  not really with the index finger.  'Ki flow', don'tcha know.
>  Tension in the hand/fist blocks it, this is a bad thing.
>  And when I hold a bokken, tension in the index finger means the
>  difference between having the bokken as an extension of my body
>  and holding a stick in my hands.


>  This might imply that the older index-finger-over fist allows
>  one to better "penetrate", since one's Ki is not blocked at the
>  hand as with the all-finger-folded fist.  Any comments on this
>  speculation of mine ?


>  -- Ted --


Very Interesting, unfortunately I know nothing about Ki, but I am
certainly prepared to believe it. However, there is necessarily
tension in the fist on contact with the target to make kime. I have
been hit by Sensei Kato, who uses the "index finger over" fist, and
it felt very strange indeed. It was a very well controlled punch,
it just touched my stomach. I had a feeling of, what I can only describe
as shock waves, radiating out through my body from the point of
impact - very scary.


Bill Burgar.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
Date: 17 Aug 1992 22:22:09 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <Pad-q2-@engin.umich.edu> cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher) writes:
>Do a roundhouse kick with the hip turned over 45 deg, and then another
>turned over 90 degrees.  The first will come near the elbow, and the second
>should come in above it, even though they're both targeting the ribs somewhere.

Oh, you overstretched punchy-kicky types make me ill.  If I turn my hip over
90 degrees for a roundhouse kick, I'm lucky if I can hit anything above knee
level.



P.S. :-)

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From: jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: aikido<->judo
Keywords: wristlocks
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:21:15 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	The trick in performing AIKIDO techniques, against anybody, is to
apply them at the right time, i.e. when there is an opening. Inexperienced
people will think "lets do shihonage on this guy!" and try to do so, regardless
of whether the opponent is in an apropriately weak position for this, most 
likely they will then fail.
	The moral is, to find (sense) the opponents weakness and attack it,
the particular technique is just a mean to achieve an end. In fact the whole
attitude of trying to do a technique on sombody sounds like it is not Aikido
at all, it seems to me it is better not plan at all on what to do on someone
but just try to 'read' his intensions and then "move" simultaneously in a way
that will neutralise the threat.
	Also Aikido is more than grappling, that is Atemi can very well be
used to "stun" the opponent in which case a follow up aiki-technique would 
be difficult to counter. After all timing is most important in Aikido.
	One last point, I did a little Judo about the same time a started
Aikido, eventualy I had to give former one up sinse I did not have enough time
for both, although I did enjoy the groundwork a lot. One thing that sticks out 
from that time is that even experienced Judoka could not throw me if I didn't
play along, this may only mean I had a natural talent for keeping my balance,
but it makes me think that could be confidently wait either for the opponet to 
expose a weakness or for me to induce one by diverting his attention (with a 
little pain perhaps). 

p.s. The comparative skill of the opponents is in the final analysis what 
counts, interestingly Aikido people in general do not like compare M.arts
only particular practicioners.
From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Rat's and stuff....
Organization: just me
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:07:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Aug19.173907.27131@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>
>Geeeeezzzee......
>
>Only on the Usenet (rec.martial-arts) can I sit down and
>expect to see a discussion on applying martial arts to rats.
>
>What's next?  Non-vertebrate creatures? :)

Probably...Interesting that a few months ago we had a discussion of how to
maim and kill dogs without a peep of "don't do this"; now Steve kicks *at*
a rat, and everything goes crazy.  Guess people consider that animals nearer
human size are more likely to be threats and hence are reasonable targets,
while smaller ones are just victims.  Sounds like we need a reality check
(yes, me too, I responded...).

>Marty

	David Pipes
who is tired of flames in the safe group...
robear@digex.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: one perfect technique (just rambling)
Organization: University of Utah
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:39:09

at the karate dojo where i earned my black belt, there is a plaque
that describes the requirements for each belt level.  under the
heading of black belt, it says, among other things, "one perfect
technique."

i thought about that for a long time, and i synthesized a meaning that
made sense to me: if you can perfect one single technique, you can
freely apply it anytime, against any opponent.

i was graded to shodan long before i had perfected anything.  this
forced me to reconsider what osaka sensei might have meant when he put
"one perfect technique" on that plaque.

during the test for my shodan, i had to fight a very talented
competitor named sean kelly.  he was a member of the team from our
dojo that took second place in the world wadoryu championships in
tokyo in 1988.  although sean is a very nice, personable guy, he is
ruthless on the dojo floor.  it didn't take long for him to forestall
my aggression, and he kicked me so hard just below the belt that i
felt like i had a hole in my belly.  i needed time to recover, and i
started giving up a lot of ground.  sensing my vulnerability, he
boldly advanced to finish me.  in an instant, i saw his weakness.  i
quickly reversed my backward motion, and sean stepped right into my
reverse punch.

in retrospect, i think that reverse punch was my "one perfect
technique."  i still can't apply it freely, but i have acheived a
certain level of enlightenment: i see the possibilities.

i also believe that osaka sensei knew about me all along.  he knew i
was ready, and he picked for my opponent the sharpest,
hungriest-looking fighter in the dojo that night.  it was the kindest
thing he could have done.  he knew that such an opponent would rid my
mind of the artificial pressure of a belt test, replacing it with the
very real pressure of a strong, determined fighter who fully intended
to beat me.

in reality, i was the only one who needed to confirm the fact that i
was finally a black belt.  i am one of those thickheaded people who
sometimes needs somebody else to tell me what i already know.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: chris@unt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The rat, the raccoon, rabies, the MA
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:17:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: mercury.1992Aug20.141737.12403
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Originator: chris@ponder.csci.unt.edu

In article <1992Aug20.115351.5780@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>
[some stuff removed]
>
>Anyone ever faced a rabid coon?  I think it was three Sundays ago the
>Wash Post had a story about this family in a pool, trapped by a rabid
>coon, it wouldn't let them out.  Before some brave soul finally managed
>to baseball bat the beast into oblivion, it bit two children, who
>are now undergoing the three weeks of stomach shots :-(
>* the shots are painful and NOT 100 per cent effective BTW *
>

	I think the story you are thinking of was of a rabid FOX.  It did
indeed trap some people (two mothers and their kids?) in the center of a 
swimming pool.  The animal escaped and later bit a child before his/her
father could kill it with a baseball bat.

chris
chris@unt.edu
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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Movie Review:  Rapid Fire
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:22:28 GMT

Well, just got back from seeing the new Brandon Lee movie, Rapid Fire.
I must say that I was not dissapointed.
This marks a landstone in the young actor's career, as it is the
first starring role of his career.  (Previous credits include
the his appearence in TV's "Kung Fu: The Movie", as well as the
Hong Kong produced movies "Legacy of Rage" and "Showdown in Little Tokyo".)

Brandon did his own choreography in the film borrowing some of the
flavor and intensity and inventiveness of Hong Kong pictures,
without their distracting tricks.  This combined with Brandon's
personal taste for realism adds for some exciting choreography.
Most of Brandon's fighting of course, is textbook JKD.
While he certainly has the moves and fluidity down, he simply
lacks the excitement, hardness, and finesse of his late father.

The story revolves around Brandon's character Jake getting involved
with the Tong (Chinese Mafia), the Italian Mafia, the Feds, and
the Chicago police because he witness's a murder.  There is also
continuous references to Jakes survival of the Tianemen(sp?) Square
demonstration, where he also lost his parent's.  This is about
all I can tell you without ruining the story.

The filming and story line are faced paced, yet easy to follow
and with some interesting twists.  It was filmed on location
in Indonesia, California, and Chicago.

Rating:  (On a scale of 1-4 Black Belts)

  3 Black Belts


The only drawback in the movie that I saw was the "cop/drugs/bad guy"
thing going on in the background that is common in the Martial Arts
movie genere.  However, I must say that the script and storyline were
well written enough to downplay this drawback, and not make it stick
out like a sore thumb.  In fact, there were plenty of interesting twists
in the plot to push it farther than any other movie with a similar
premise.
Also, and this is a personal taste, I found it somewhat dissapointing
to see some of the same old familliar faces as the villans.  While
there were plenty of new actors portraying the villans, there
were still the few that manage to work their way into many of
the martial arts films.  At least it didn't look like a Big Trouble
in Little China cast reunion like so many of the other films
in the past. :)


What Brandon lacks in the martial area he more than makes up for in
his acting ability.  Brandon can run rings around his late
father in this area.  Brandon's acting ability came largely
from his schooling in theatrical arts at Emerson College in
Boston, and at the Strasberg Academy.  He has also worked in
theater groups in New York and Los Angeles doing Sam Shepard
plays and other works.

A hat's off to Brandon's freshman film effort.  I look forward
to seeing his films in the future.  Hopefully he will pick
up the trend of improving with each film that his late father
also possessed.


Marty
From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Rope as a weapon ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:16:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <64319@cup.portal.com> ami-tox@cup.portal.com (Enrico Ami-tox gilberti) writes:
>Are there any MA out there that utalize ROPE as a weapon ? 
>I remember reading an article about it but have forgoten where. 

I have only heard of hojojitsu - "art of tying" (?) where ropes are
used to bind the opponent (or, criminal in old Japan).  Got a video
on it - pretty impressive!  "Hog-Tying" is an understatement!  Some
of these guys were wrapped up so tight, they couldn't move an arm,
leg, head, neck...

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From: pauljone@usc.edu (Michael Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: T'ai Chi Ch'uan
Date: 18 Aug 1992 09:05:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


I'm about 240 articles behind; this is in response to some of the
articles on T'ai Chi recently.

About the form with the fingers extended:  I've heard this referred
to as the 'tiled hand.'  I think Tung, Kai Ying teaches a form like
this, so there may be some authenticity to the one mentioned.

In terms of the spine, some accomplished Yang stylists tilt the spine
forward for some of the moves, such as the Brush Knee.  I don't quite
understand the correct way to do this, and what the relationship
between the sacrum and upper spine should be.  I think that a slight
tilt is necessary for an expansive push; a perfectly upright spine
would place a lot of stress on the shoulder and lumbar region of the
spine.  But any tilt of the spine significantly increases your
vulnerability to attack, so you would want to be careful about when
you do this (you should only use a strong attack when your partner
is weak anyway).  There are whip-like movements, or variations of
movements such as the Brush Knee with a whip-like quality to them,
where the spine is kept erect and upright.  A key difference is that
for these movements, the energy has already been generated below the
waist by the time the attack reaches the hands, while in the former
style the energy is generated pretty much simultaneously with the
push.

As usual, I always feal like I'm parading my ignorance when I post,
so I'd like to hear any other philosophies about how this is done.


Mike Jones
From: a9j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Swords and proper balance
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:26:00 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Although not a Kendo master in any stretch of the imagination, I have done the
basics often enough to offer a little insight. From a Kendo viewpoint, a katana
would be grasped with the left hand at the bottom of the hilt and the right
hand would be very close to the tsuba. From the grip of the shinai, we've been
taught that one should have a grip such that the sword is held not using your
fingers very much. The hand near the tsuba is an under grip compared to the
left hand, so one holds the sword more in the palms than in the fingers. So I
would assume that the closer the balance point is to the tsuba, the easier it
would be to handle and bring around quickly. Hope this helps.
From: dad1@ra.msstate.edu (Daniel Doss)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Hapkido Seminar with Grandmaster Kwang Sik Myung
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:44:27 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University






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From: pitaro@joker.sanders.lockheed.com (Michael Pitaro)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Any leads on Judo Training
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:29:44 GMT
Reply-To: pitaro@rocket.sanders.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
In-reply-to: bward@bss2.umd.edu's message of 14 Aug 92 13:35:44 GMT


I lived in the Washington area in the mid 70's.  There were two clubs
which were decent at the time.  One was at Howard University.  I don't
know whether it's still around.  The other was in Alexandria run by
Takemori (sp?). I think I heard they have since moved to Georgetown.
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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fencing
Summary: -=-=-< a point >-=-=-
Keywords: ah, but there is....
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:12:03 GMT
Followup-To: pick a person at random. confuse the hell out of them.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug15.011117.24489@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan J. Smith) writes:

>In article <1800@celia.UUCP> celia!doug@usc.edu (Doug Nichols) writes:
>>Ok, here we go...
>>
>>Don't be making disparaging remarks about us foilists. We're very
>>sensitive, you know. The least little thing, and we'll likely be
>>off in a corner, inconsolable for hours on end....
>>
>>Epee. Ooh! Toe touch! Hurt me!
>>Sabre. Sure. Cut off my head. Like THAT would stop me...
>>
>>    :^)
>>
>>Doug
>
>
>Heh, yea I like that one, Us sabre people got the weapon :) heh , yea I do foil and epee to..
>all of them are fun, and take a lotta skill to handle correctly.
>Hrm maybe we all better fade into the background again.. so the MA people that
>don't have anything to do with fencing don't get to annoyed at us.. :)..
>
>(wonder why there is no fencing group, rec.fencing? hrm...)
>
>Jonathan J. Smith
>

	i used to fence.... still got my sabres, epees and foils - and even
a belgium foil (talk about hard on the wrists!).
	there *is* in fact, a newsgroup for fencing.  rec.arts.fencing  (unless
it is a group for discussing chain link fences....)
	and, as always, i am/at:

             doug:  < doug@eng.umd.edu > : < doug@lpf.umd.edu >

           -=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >--=-=-=-=-=-=-

        "presidential elections are planned distractions to divert
	 attention from the actions behind the scenes...."
                                                   greetings from timbuck three!
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