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From: 54343lh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (ramnarine.ragbir)
Subject: The Journey of the Jahaji in the year 1845
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:14:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Keywords: An epic reflection of first Indian migration to the West Indies


*************************************************
*    The Journey of the Jahaji                  *
*  An Epic reflection on the Indian Experience  *
*       by  Mukesh Babooram                     *
*************************************************

In India where I was born
Life was very hard
An Arkatya came and told me
To come to "Chinidad" (Trinidad)
All the people here were told
That the streets were filled with gold
And once we reach over there
Our problems would disappear.
Now that all of us on this ship
And we are sailing out to sea
The Arkatya comes and tell me
We are all bound kuli

We are sailing 
We are sailing
On board the "Fatel Razack"
And men and women are crying
Some even want to go back
And the Arkatya and the white man
Secretly worked out their plan
To get me to come on this trip
To journey into indentureship
Now I am an indentured labourer
I am bound for a white master 
I must work and produce sugar 
I am a slave of the British Empire
We are sailing
We are sailing
On board the "Fatel Razack"

From Uttar Pradesh
From Calcutta
From Bihar and from Orissa
Some ran from famine
Some came through kidnaping
Some were sent from civil uprising
We came from different regions
Different castes and different religions
Together on the Kala Pani
Towards a common destiny
We shall face the future struggle
Together as one people
Differences don't mean enemy
Cause we are all jahaji

We are sailing
We are sailing
On board the "Fatel Razack"

After months at sea
We were really glad 
To land here in Trinidad
No sooner had we set foot on land
We were taken to a plantation
Exhaust from exploitation
Illness and malnutrition
Driven to work by the whip
It's prison if you ever fell sick
Though we worked on one estate
It was illegal to congregate
We had no human dignity
We were somebody's property

We are working
We are working
To build Trinidad
The days are long but my spirit is strong
Though the work is very hard
They say that I am a heathen
Because of my religion
Offered some education
To entice my conversation
But they can chain me physically
My soul would always be free
To roam the plains of Caroni
From now through to the next century

Then I looked at my patra
To tell the future
Indentureship will end
So I plan the future of my children
Through hard work, they will prosper
And become doctors, and lawyer
And work the land
And feed the nation
They will give this nation our culture
Our songs, our music and tassa
And most of all our roti
It will be eaten by everybody

We are working
We are working
To build Trinidad
The days are long, but my spirit is strong
Though the work is hard we shall build a nation
With the whites, Chines and African
Work for real unity
With justice and equality
And the nation will give it's consent
For an Indian to be President
And then a little later
An Indian Prime Minister

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fsrc@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Matrimonial..
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:51:30 GMT






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    This is being posted for a friend of mine..

  Kamma naidu parents in INDIA invite proposals from same,  
  for their son,  26,  5'11, 175, M.S.(elec eng),
  starting his Phd in jan. 

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Thanks in advance.
From: vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On the birth of Andhra Pradesh (was Re: I HATE TAMILS)
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:11:53 EST
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <918@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
writes:
> Was it a mistake not to include Madras(Chennapatnam) in
> Andhra Pradesh? Many feel, taking into consideration the 
> geographic and linguistic factors, that Madras should have
> gone to A.P. during the formation of the states. Any comments?

	Whatever I write here is purely from memory and some of it is based on
	what my grandfather told me about the days of formation of AP. 
	Remember, these were the opinions of an individual who is now no more,
	and my recollections can be pretty bad too, so please excuse me for
	any/all factual errors in the following.

	During the struggle for formation of AP, Madras was largely inhabited by
	Telugus (a majority). So, Telugu leaders agitating for separate Andhra
	included Madras in their plans. Rather presumptuously, it turned out.
	It proved to be a major bone of contention. In particular, Dr. C.
	Rajagopalachari was dead against conceding Madras to Andhra. A plan to
	share the Madras city was also scuttled and spurned by TN leaders. 
	[ North Madras was almost exclusively populated then by Telugus and
	South Madras was by Tamilians]. Remember that Madras was then, the hub 
	of development for the entire Madras presidency. The entire cinema
	industry, of Telugu, Tamil and Kannada too, was concentrated in Madras.
        But the enormous capital required for the production of movies came
	from Andhra Pradesh. If you care to see the titles of movies of that
	generation, you can see that almost *all* producers, even those of
	Tamil movies, were Telugu. This is just an example. Both sides were 
	aware that whoever ends up gaining/retaining Madras will control the 
	enormous capital invested in the movie industry, which translates into 
	jobs and employment. I am not sure, but I think that the choice of 
	Kurnool as the capital of to-be-formed Andhra was made only after 
	the "battle" for Madras was lost.

	I do not know what made Telugus concede the demand for Madras - people
	claim that Tirupathi was conceded in exchange for Madras, but from what
	I recall, Tirupathi was also Telugu majority area, and hence should
	have been in Andhra anyway. It doesn't strike me as an even deal.
	I too echo seetamraju's feelings that Madras should have belonged
	morally to Andhra Pradesh. Sreenivasa Rao garu seems to be well versed
	with the facts of this lingustic division; if he has more information
	on this, I request him to please share it with us.

	Siva Prasad				vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
From: godura@daffy.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Help for NTS (NCERT) Scholarship .....
Keywords: NTS Scholarship
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:52:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Aug21.152003.23477@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acube@eecg.toronto.edu (Aditya Aggarwal) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>
>I was receiving (NTS) NCERT Scholarship in India. I have completed 
>one year of study for Masters in Canada . Which forms are required
>to be filled for getting money from them? I have not received any
>forms from them at my Home, back in India. Before coming to Canada
>I had inform them about my admission in Masters at UofT ?
>
>I have blank form which I used to fill in my Bachelors. It appears 
>weird because it requires Dean to sign for advance receipt of getting 
>the scholarship which they(UofT) will get on behalf of the student. Also, 
>it requires that the money should be disbursed by the institution....etc...
>But all this don't apply as they are not going to give in dollars to 
>the institution.
>
>Thanxs in anticipation
>Aditya

I don't think u r eligible to continue receiving your NCERT scholarship
if u study outside India.

Anyway, don't make me laugh. If I remember right, it's about Rs 100 pm.
That's about $ 3 pm. You feel it's worth the time and money ?

Good Luck !!

Ruchir.
From: vijay@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Subject: Debologisms
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 08:39:53 GMT


Sriram writes:
		* New DebaniCions *

[deleted]

sriram

      Some more of the debologisms :

Debble  : write freely on SCI, not professionally but as a mere passtime.
           Synonymous with Arindam-baiting.

        I do not debble since Arindam is a nice guy :)

Deb : debutante
      
     He's no Deb-come-yesterday.

Debonair : To hell with the SCIians :

    Deb is a paragon of a debonair.

Debacle : Fall from grace; also, hounding by Deb.

      It was debacle after debacle for Arindam :)
 
Debag : force the trousers off

      Arindam debagged deb.

Debase : lower the quality

       Deb has debased SCI ..... further :)

Debatable : arguable

        Deb's contribution to the fall of Communism in general and CPI(M) in
        particular is debatable.

Debauch : act immorally

        " deb is debauched" ---- Shyamala(?), 5th August, 1992.

Debilitate : weaken, exasperate.

        Deb has a debilitating effect on Arindam.

debris: broken remains

        Deb crashes down like a ton of debris.

debreciate : milder form of debase

          Deb debreciates everyday.

debug : get rid of Deb.

       Balaji could'nt debug SCI :)

debt : loan to Deb.

        Hey sucker, get into a debt :)

debunk : Stronger form of calumny.

       Deb debunking Arindam's credibility.

deblore : condemn Communism

      Deb's passionate and unending deblorings :)

debosit : used in place of BS :)

        Stop debositing here :)   ;  Oh, that's complete debosit!

debravity : state of being a debauched Deb :)

     His debravity is to be seen to be believed.

debuty : Deb's opponent.

     Arindam, debuty Arindam, assistant debuty Arindam,... :)

debrive : prevent from enjoying

       example needed?? :)


Sriram and I now proclaim the start of a new religion : Debbism. The god
we follow is the greek one : Mammon. Up with capitalism, down with 
Commie debosit :) Sriram gives further details. 


Gotcha Gangster
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From: 34RONON@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: info
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:17:08 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

hi !!!
i am interested in sending in mail to Bombay(INDIA), could anyone help.

                                      dharmesh shah.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: SIMPLY TESTNG
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:54:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.120534.1@woods.ulowell.edu> anilk@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.093322.21754@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, paulchem@tramp.Colorado.EDU (PARANCHUTTY U. LICHEMMANATHIL) writes:
>
>Yaathra okke sukham aayirunnu enne vishwasikkunnu. Pinne naatil enthokke unde
>visheshangal. Mazha nallathupole tudangiyo? America aa cinemayil kandathupole 
>aane, ale? Kollaam. Aashan ivide okke karangi, saavadhanam settle aayathine
>sesham ezhuthi ariyekkenam. Kaaryngal ellam sherikke nadakkum.
>
>AKP.


Ulti boss ulti !!!!
From: partha@torch.rutgers.edu (the_great_dictator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: LOVE etc.,
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:18:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Let me give examples, assuming you are a guy :

Love: u want to share  many things  and be close with the other person..
      many shades: love for your mother,
                   love for your dad,
                   love for your brother,
                   ( okay okay i am coming to the point..)
                   love for the woman in your life...

affection: if you are a *normal* person, the way you love  your
           sister or daughter.. 

lust: the way you feel when u see an unknown woman sexily dressed and 
      addrenalin is pumped into your blood...

does that help??
:)
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SPIC-MACAY:SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI (ODISSI):AUG 19:FREE
Date: 12 Aug 1992 15:28:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: UC548741@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Subject: MURTHY LOOKING FOR ABHIJIT SARID
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:36:44 CDT

Hi!
I am looking for a friend of mine from DEHRADUN-THAPAR-NTPC...
He is here studying in some University doing either MS or Ph.D in process-
control.
If you know him please ask him to write to uc548741@mizzou1.missouri.edu
or call at (314)-875-7120.
Thanks in advance.
Murthy S. S.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: "After all, it is just a sty!"
Keywords: Hogs, sties, Pablo, Saithan, :-)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.153947.6351@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>The scene is a sty called BW outside a nettle farm. Head hog Pablo
>is holding court. His gentle voice intones "Today's topic my
>fellow hogs is - Hog heaven according to His Holy Hog Napoleon."
>There is a momentary lull. Suddenly, a debauched hog chatters.
>All hell breaks loose. Welcome to Hog Heaven, BW Sty.
>
[...]

1] Hmm, the sci satires are back in fashion.
   Someday sci will become someones thesis topic. :-)

2] And then: 
   

   Triple Muse blessed,
   He affects modesty,
   By praise distressed,
   He pretends anonymity.

3] Stay Cool.
   
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha13.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: religious talks
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:19:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.113627@daffy.mc.ti.com>, a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com (savithri) writes:
|> 
|> Ravi K. Prasanth obviously has a problem with my name
|> since it does not start with a MR. so and so.  I did not
|> see you object to posters who expressed similar opinions
|> regarding the "religious" pourings in this group.

Don't you think you are carrying your paranoia a little too far? If you
have trouble refuting a point, immediately accuse the guy of sexism. Great
strategy! In fact RKP may not even have cared that you were a woman, but
now you have made sure of that. This is pathetic and the worst kind of hypocrisy
I have ever seen. 

|> 
|> As far as seeing only the negative aspects of religions,
|> I don't see what "collective" good they have done for
|> humanity.  If anything they have aided in tearing nations
|> apart creating hatred between various groups.  On the other
|> hand science has aided humans in several aspects of LIFE
|> (not some abstract soul that people have trouble comprehending)
|> YOU wouldn't be at your terminal today or better still in this
|> country via PLANE or SHIP or whatever without science and
|> technology.  Perhaps your religious mind would like to
|> ENLIGHTEN this group as to what religion has done for human
|> beings wihtout going into salvation, eternal life, rebirth ,
|> dining with the gods, etc.
|> 
|> savithri
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Appeal to Arindam
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:26:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Aug20.212638.26862
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <samaddar.714334827@dumbo>, samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar) writes:
>mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
>
>>When the Sanatan Dharma gets encased in debris a manifestation of God appears
>>to rescue them from debris. The last most prominent one in Hnduism was
>>Caitanya Mahaprabhu: who showed that the devotional service is the surest
>
>How do you know he was a manifestation of God? How do you know there is God?
This is a conclusion reached first by applying logic , reason and intuition
and then verified by a direct experience: call it psycho-delusion if you
like

>
>>in this case. He cannot be a slave to anybody except the Lord. The Graduate
>>School is nothing but slavery to your advisor.
>
>Why "except the Lord"? What is so special about the "Lord"? Why can't you
>be a buddy of "Lord"?
>
YOU can be : there can be four type of relationship which come by stages
1. Dasya: servant
2. Sakhya:Friendship
3. Batsalya: parently feeling
4. Madhurya: Lover
>>*Well the only rule a Bahai has to follow is the wish of Bahaullah. BTW
>
>So, you are now becoming a slave of Bahaullah. Or is he equivalent of
>"Lord" who was going to be your only master.
>
Yes: Bahaullah conveyed the word of God. So it's the same thing. I meditate
on all Krishna's forms also. So you can tell I am following Krishna if you
like. There's no difference in the spirit
>>Bahaullah told me what I am supposed to do other than teaching the children
>           ^^^^
>Exactly how did he "tell" you? Using sound waves or some indirect way?
>Please elaborate. 
>
psycho-delusion
>>I have been selected by Bahaullah to bring back some of the select gems
>>of Sanatan Dharma to the rest of the world
>
>Exactly how did he "select" you? Was anyone else competing for the job?
>
He selected me as if I look back at my life I can understand why things
happened the way it happened. Again this is a matter of logic+reason+intuition
+practical experience
>Besides, couldn't you settle for being an "ordinary" bahai, doing your
>worldly duties as well, instead of getting "selected" for some exalted
>global mission. 
>
I have done that. Every Bahai is ordinary and extra-ordinary at the same time
>IMHO, you are running away from a job (graduate studies) you undertook,
>leaving it unfinished. No matter what you decide to do in future, you can
>always get out of it midway by claiming that that job is "slavery" to XYZ.
>I hope I am wrong.
I can get a non-thesis Master's degree based on my course work. So I consider
this as a closed chapter and not running away from anything. I could have
got a paper also; but I will let the student who follows me up to take
the credit. God does not want me to take credit for anything I have done

>
>Sumitro
Hope this helps
Arindam
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: The Gundekota File: Olympian Effort
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:10:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.155002.16269@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:
>
>
>The Gundekota File-Entry#4: Olympian Effort
>===========================================
>
>
>Generally speaking, there are only two male prototypes in the world,
>according to my friend Cranium. They are: black muscular and white
>blonde. The rest of the men, according to Cranium, are puny wimps. You
>can say, as I will, Cranium is a female, feminist, from India. Or
>Cranium could be a homosexual. I don't know for sure because I
>correspond with Cranium by e-mail. The upbeat is, Indian olympians are
>neither black muscular nor tall blonde, according to Cranium, and so
>don't have a chance; so why blame them? Seems like an idler's argument
>to me like that guy who sang ``Sittin' on the Docks and Watching Ships
>Come and Go''  
>
>The quest for perfection is the essence of Olympics, if the IOC for
>the Indolent Olympic Committee (of India) didn't already know. The
>Greek tradition is not meant for ordinary mortals. I wonder whether
>Greeks won major medals in the olympics. Anyway, I don't want to dig
>deep into the historical roots because olympics the way they are
>currently are really hi-tech. So let's visit the laboratory of
>Dr.Q in the IOC compound, of course, a top secret place in Delhi.
>
> [lots of other shit deleted...]


Your idiotcy knows no bounds.  Besides that...you're not even funny.

Rakesh Patel
From: asm@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Cash advances in India using Credit Card
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:39:08 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

hi,
I wanted to use my mastercard for cash advance in india. does any one know which
banks in india accept the universal card for cash advance. 
thanx
--aravind
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: GSURNIL@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: Wanna Make Quick Buck???  Then.....
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:20:58 GMT

Hello Folks,
WANNA MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!!!
WELL WHO DOESN"T.....
THEN WHAT R U WAITING FOR....
SEND ME A MAIL RIGHT NOW... YES, I MEAN RIGHT NOW...
I AM WAITING AT THE TERMINAL......
 
YOU CAN MAKE COUPLE OF HUNDRED TO MORE THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
BY JUST POSTING SOME POSTERS ROUND YOUR CAMPUS.....
YES, IT IS AS EASY AS THAT.. NO CATCH INVOLVED.
 
SO RACE AGAINST THE TIME,
 
GOPICHANDRA SURNILLA
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jasjit@hfglobe.intel.com (Jasjit Singh)
Subject: Travel Agent.... Good Experience...
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:30:11 GMT

I have purchased a ticket for India for Dec 3 (Swiss Air) from
the travel agent Geetha Pradip. (313-689-5201) I believe somebody 
is maintaining a database of people's experience with travel agents. 
Would you please record that one other chap (i.e. me) has had a good
experience with her? She has given a great deal, and I have found her
very helpful and frank. She does put you on long holds at times, but that
is when she is helping other customers. She is even refunding me $25 extra
since the commission that the airline is giving her has increased!

And, by the way, don't let absence of 1-800.. numbers prevent you from
contacting agents with good deals!!

Have fun,
Jasjit Singh (jasjit@cc.gatech.edu)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian