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From: rxkand@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Andrew Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Sheldon can't coach!
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:09:20 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

>>In my opinion Ken Sheldon is one of the worst coaches in the league!
>>He has IMO the most talented side in the league (eg. Winmar, Lockett, Lowe,
>>Harvey, McAdam...) but his coaching is crap.  Everyone knows how to stuff
>>their defence and block The Fat Boys' leads now so why doesn't he try to 
>>coach his way out of it instead of just letting it happen.  I'm no coach
>>so I don't know how, but he could try playing TFB up the ground a bit when
>>this happens or even taking him off the ground.

>It is quite clear that you have no idea about coaching.
>Unless Lockett is hurt,leave him on the ground.They have 
>tryed up the ground (he rucked against W.C) but he has not got the
>fitness level to move around the ground. Leave him at full foward
>and tell every body on the forward line to give him at least thirty
>metres.As the Boy leads, the other team will double team, at this piont the 
>rovers and/or forward pockets should rover him. By rights there should be
>at least one or two spare saints players. The person Sheldon should be using
>more is Lowe, particulary in defence.


>Calling you a fag is not necessary, just showing your lack of 
>footballing knowledge is satisfaction enough.


>Regards

>Jacko
>(Im using a friends Account)   



       take your fucking blinkers off jacko
       we are all upset about what has happened but I doubt if you can 
       coach any better than every body else
       I think the side is perfect when they fire
       we all will be friends standing in the middle of moorabinn oval the night       of the grand final when FATE will win us the flag or cup

                 A TRUE SUPPORTE

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From: gdebelle@athena.mit.edu (Guy L Debelle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: How long: Gary Ablett's goal
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:48:18 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Can someone tell me how long was the goal Gary Ablett kicked two weeks back from what
appeared  to be near the centre of the ground?  Sorry about the delay but we're a bit behind
up here in the Northern Hemisphere.

Thanks
Guy
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From: evan@vifp.monash.edu.au (Evan Vernon-Roberts - Registrar)
Subject: Re: Geelong and pressure.
Originator: news@brain
Reply-To: evan@vifp.monash.edu.au
Organization: Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:01:10 GMT

In article 14067@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au, s913575@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Matt Fenton) writes:

>Hawthorn:
> Geelong has more stars than the Hawks, and their
>general skill level is higher, so it must be psycological

>Anyway, just a few ideas. Feel free to crap on them and throw them back 
>at me...                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Matt Fenton...
> 

OK, I will.  How you reach the conclusion that there is a clear difference in 
skill level between the two sides in your favour beats me.  Are you talking Brownlow
medal winners, Norm Smith medalists, State players - past and present, numbers
of premierships won, ability to mark, kick, handball, tackle, run ?  I would
be interested to hear how you have converted these statistics, or others that you 
feel are relevant other than performance of the team as a whole - never defined by
coaches as a "skill" phenomenon.  Where were all your skilled players last year, or 
the year before, if team performance is the measure.  If you're right my words
will be eaten, and I am not saying that Geelong is not a good side, but this
idea that Hawthorn have somehow won matches using some secret ingredient other
than ability is mystifying.  Please list your stars for general consumption.

:-)    (smilie with a smug eye on the scoreboard)




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Some talk of Billy Brownless, and some of Silvagni,
Some of Tony Lockett, and such great names as these,
But of all the game's great heroes,
There's none that can compare,
To the kick, kick, kick, of number 19,
J Dunstall esquire. [last lines a bit of a stinker :-)]

			Go the HAWKS !
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From: martin@megadata.mega.oz.au (Martin Corr)
Subject: Re: Unluckiest non-finalists (OR: We still love you, Saints)
Originator: martin@bashful
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:30:36 GMT

From article <1992Aug18.165210.2784@riacs.edu>, by nicholso@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Melvin H. Nicholson YBH):
> dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:
>>    Well, it looks like the Saints are going to dip out of the finals.
>>Damn, I was just getting used to the idea of the Moorabbin - sorry,
>>Waverley - boys being regular finalists.
>>
>>                Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)
>>
> 
> Don't give up yet Pat (Darren?).  Here are the saints three ways into
> the final.
> 
> 1: The Saints beat Melbourne, then Melbourne beats Hawtorne.  (ok, so
> this isn't the best "cheer up" method, but they do get better)
> 
> 2: The Saints beat Melbourne while Carlton thrashes the Collingwood
> Magpies, then Adelaide pulls off a miracle upset of Collingwood the
> last week of the season.(okay, I suppose any way which includes a
> "miracle upset" isn't much to get excited over either)
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why a miracle upset??? Did we not just see Adelaide just beat St. Kilda???

Did we not watch Collingwood stumble against Melbourne, just plain get
beaten by Hawthorn and scrape by against North.

If we were to look at recent history or current form or consumer
hopes, we would see Collingwood lose both games (a sight few would
not enjoy).

It is a pity that Carlton cannot also lose both.


> 3: The Saints beat Melbourne as Collingwood squeeks by Carlton with a
> win, and while we hear the Magpies blather on for days about what divine
> inspiration gave them the win, the Eagles beat Carlton.
> 
> It could happen.  In fact, I feel like drawing a silly flowchart:

Flow chart deleted by necessity

> Mel

Martin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.oz.au (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: goodbye saints, hello hawks?
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:30:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.010606.23085@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:
|> 	Footscray.  How much more will Terry Wheeler (?sp) be made to 
|> 	eat his words? IMHO way out of the top league, I don't know
|> 	how they are third, so they could yet prove me wrong, but I 
|> 	cannot seeing them winning a final.  They were completely 
|> 	thrashed by Carlton, and since the first half of the season
|> 	(where the were 9-2 and top I think) Footscray have looked
|> 	like the decent middle order club they should be. 

Well as a doggie supporter, I know exactly what Footscray needs, and
that is experience.  Footscray is oozing with talent, but they are 
young, and so are more likely to drop their bundle under pressure and be
inconsistent.  All our super-stars have played not many seniors games,
and our old-timers are few and far between.  

Atkins can't handle being tagged yet.  He doesnt know what to do.
Chris Grant is only 19 and too skinny, but he he going to be a star.
John Ballentyne will be a great centre-half or full forward next year
when he has had some more games under his belt.
Scott Wynd can only get better. Nigel Kellet and Barry Standfield are
going to be good players when they stop making dumb mistakes.

I tell you, if we get our act together for the finals and don't muck up
(which is unlikely I admit) you don't want to be on the recieving end. 

And in case you were not reading the paper, squirrel had good reasons
for making these pronouncements.  This may be a long word for you, so
I will type it phonetically, but it is all SY - KY - LODGE - EE - CUL.
is all 
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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: Sheldon can't coach!
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.032738.21799@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, dws@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (David Skerrett) writes:
|> In article <14042@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>, s891932@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Warr) writes:
|> > 
|> >In my opinion Ken Sheldon is one of the worst coaches in the league!
|> >He has IMO the most talented side in the league (eg. Winmar, Lockett, Lowe,
|> >Harvey, McAdam...) but his coaching is crap.  Everyone knows how to stuff
|> >their defence and block The Fat Boys' leads now so why doesn't he try to 
|> >coach his way out of it instead of just letting it happen.  I'm no coach
|> >so I don't know how, but he could try playing TFB up the ground a bit when
|> >this happens or even taking him off the ground.
|> >
|> 
|> It is quite clear that you have no idea about coaching.
|> Unless Lockett is hurt,leave him on the ground.They have 
|> tryed up the ground (he rucked against W.C) but he has not got the
|> fitness level to move around the ground. Leave him at full foward
|> and tell every body on the forward line to give him at least thirty
|> metres.As the Boy leads, the other team will double team, at this piont the 
|> rovers and/or forward pockets should rover him. By rights there should be
|> at least one or two spare saints players. The person Sheldon should be using
|> more is Lowe, particulary in defence.
|> 
|> 
|> Calling you a fag is not necessary, just showing your lack of 
|> footballing knowledge is satisfaction enough.
|> 
|> 
|> Regards
|> 
|> Jacko
|> (Im using a friends Account)

	I'm not so sure you have shown that (his lack of football knowledge)
	Saints have slipped, and will probably miss the finals.
	It certainly isn't from lack of personel, I'd blame the coach
	- the commentators (who do know something, despite appearances),
	often say that the Winmar to Lockett pass is completely predictable.
	When it works (his coaching, St Kilda), the Saints go like a dream,
	but they don't seem to have the premiership knack?

	I'd say 7th is a failure for St Kilda 1992.
	(not that they should give up hope.  Out at Windy hill (metaphorically)
	we're still working on a few permutations. It does 
	involve a rather large form-reversal on Melbourne's part, (v Haw, StK)
	plus a couple of 200 point wins over Nth and Geelong).

	tom
From: rxkand@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Andrew Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Unluckiest non-finalists (OR: We still love you, Saints)
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:56:21 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy) writes:


>    Well, it looks like the Saints are going to dip out of the finals.
>Damn, I was just getting used to the idea of the Moorabbin - sorry,
>Waverley - boys being regular finalists.

>    I have a question for you trivia-buffs out there: has any other team
>missed out on the finals after winning 14 games and amassing a percentage
>of 120+?? There is one more finalist now than in the "Five" days, but three
>more teams, so 40% of the teams now qualify compared to 42% previously (OK,
>I'm ignoring the couple of years of 5/14). It used to be, as far as my
>litost-ridden* brain can tell, that 52 or at most 54 premiership points
>would guarantee a place.

>    And since it is often St. Kilda supporters who have the brains and the
>organization required to post facts about footy, I expect many wailings
>about how they should make a special exemption this year and run a final
>seven (I could design a playoff system! Really I could!)

>        Signed,
>                Pat Rourke (you may not have heard of me)

>        * P.S. LITOST is defined in a chapter or so by Milan Kundera in
>"The Book of Laughter and Forgetting" (I think it's that one) - read it! 




        I would be in a final seven for this year only

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From: rxkand@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Andrew Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Its Competition time folks!
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:27:19 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

>KRACKOUER    LONG     DICK



      john    holmes    dick
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From: dws@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (David Skerrett)
Subject: Re: Sheldon can't coach!
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:27:38 GMT

In article <14042@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>, s891932@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Chris Warr) writes:
> 
>In my opinion Ken Sheldon is one of the worst coaches in the league!
>He has IMO the most talented side in the league (eg. Winmar, Lockett, Lowe,
>Harvey, McAdam...) but his coaching is crap.  Everyone knows how to stuff
>their defence and block The Fat Boys' leads now so why doesn't he try to 
>coach his way out of it instead of just letting it happen.  I'm no coach
>so I don't know how, but he could try playing TFB up the ground a bit when
>this happens or even taking him off the ground.
>

It is quite clear that you have no idea about coaching.
Unless Lockett is hurt,leave him on the ground.They have 
tryed up the ground (he rucked against W.C) but he has not got the
fitness level to move around the ground. Leave him at full foward
and tell every body on the forward line to give him at least thirty
metres.As the Boy leads, the other team will double team, at this piont the 
rovers and/or forward pockets should rover him. By rights there should be
at least one or two spare saints players. The person Sheldon should be using
more is Lowe, particulary in defence.


Calling you a fag is not necessary, just showing your lack of 
footballing knowledge is satisfaction enough.


Regards

Jacko
(Im using a friends Account)

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From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Re Who is the ugliest
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:35:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.154521.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> eda347asft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>What about the Danihers for the ugliest footballer award.  Especially
>with those horrible facial expressions they pull.

If you include retired players how about Rod Carter from sydney(sth melbourne) 
he looked damn ugly when kicking in.
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Melbourne hoodoo on Hawthorn
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:57:49 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
: In article <1992Aug19.002522.2510@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen) writes:
: >A friend commented to me today that he thought Melbourne would beat Hathorn in
: >round 24. This he based on the number of times that Melbourne has beaten
: >Hawthorn in the last few seasons. Melbourne beat Hawthorn?? When was the last
: >time Melbourne beat Hawthorn? Have Melbourne beaten Hawthorn in the last three
: >seasons? 
: 
: Didn't Melbourne defeat Hawthorn, in CONSECUTIVE MATCHES, in 1990?
: I believe the Dees beat Hawthron in the final round of the season of
: that year to make the finals, then the very next week knocked    
: the perennial Grand Finalists off their perch in the Elimination
: Final.
: 
: Or am I wrong?
: 
: 
: Tom Marvan




You are not wrong!
From: s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Melbourne Hoodoo on Hawthorn
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:56:49 GMT
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill 3842, Victoria, AUSTRALIA.


>>A friend commented to me today that he thought Melbourne would beat Hathorn in
>>round 24. This he based on the number of times that Melbourne has beaten
>>Hawthorn in the last few seasons. Melbourne beat Hawthorn?? When was the last
>>time Melbourne beat Hawthorn? Have Melbourne beaten Hawthorn in the last three
>>seasons?
>
> Didn't Melbourne defeat Hawthorn, in CONSECUTIVE MATCHES, in 1990?
> I believe the Dees beat Hawthron in the final round of the season of
> that year to make the finals, then the very next week knocked
> the perennial Grand Finalists off their perch in the Elimination
> Final.
>
> Or am I wrong?
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  You are right, I lose that bet.
> Tom Marvan

>But what of the other finals games
>That Buckenara goal for example ????
>Martin

 It was for only the last three seasons that I was interested in. I remember
 that Buckenara goal, but it was more than three seasons ago, I can't even
 remember what year that was.

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From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Melbourne Hoodoo on Hawthorn
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:21:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <1992Aug22.045649.24536@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen) writes:
>
> It was for only the last three seasons that I was interested in. I remember
> that Buckenara goal, but it was more than three seasons ago, I can't even
> remember what year that was.




I think it was 1987.








Tom Marvan.
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Melbourne hoodoo on Hawthorn
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:44:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug19.002522.2510@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1180953@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Darren Hemmingsen) writes:
>A friend commented to me today that he thought Melbourne would beat Hathorn in
>round 24. This he based on the number of times that Melbourne has beaten
>Hawthorn in the last few seasons. Melbourne beat Hawthorn?? When was the last
>time Melbourne beat Hawthorn? Have Melbourne beaten Hawthorn in the last three
>seasons? 

Didn't Melbourne defeat Hawthorn, in CONSECUTIVE MATCHES, in 1990?
I believe the Dees beat Hawthron in the final round of the season of
that year to make the finals, then the very next week knocked    
the perennial Grand Finalists off their perch in the Elimination
Final.

Or am I wrong?


Tom Marvan
From: bvandepe@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Ivan E. Rection)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: AFL Results for round 22
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:29:43 GMT

marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

> Even though things are not looking too good for the Saints, they can still
>get into the finals. If St.Kilda wins their last game, then they can get back
>into the six if Hawthorn loses, or if Carlton or Collingwood lose their last
>two matches. This is possible because Carlton and Collingwood play each other
>on Saturday.

Yes, hard luck for the Saints, isn't it?   :-)

Roll on 1993!

Regards,
--

Brenton Vandepeer, University of Adelaide, South Australia.

email: bvandepe@physics.adelaide.edu.au
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Dramatic final round scenario
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:05:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Imagine the following scenario for the final round of the AFL
season:


Jason Dunstall, on 149 goals, takes a mark 65 metres out from
goal and, with just seconds left and with his team down by 2 points,
elects to short pass it to a teammate in a better position just as
the siren sounds.  Result: the Hawks lose the game...



Heartbreaking.  And the Saints sneak into the finals (after their
record 186 point win against Melbourne the previous week).



Tom Marvan.
From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: AFL Results for round 22
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:59:40 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <1992Aug17.001619.89774@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> marino@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>
> The top seven positions on the ladder are:
>
>                      P  Pts     %
>        Geelong      20   60   153.8
>        West Coast   20   58   128.0
>        Footscray    20   56   126.5  *****  see below *****
>        Carlton      20   56   116.4
>        Collingwood  20   56   115.1
>        Hawthorn     21   52   123.5
>        ----------------------------------
>        St.Kilda     21   52   119.8
>
> Even though things are not looking too good for the Saints, they can still
>get into the finals. If St.Kilda wins their last game, then they can get back
>into the six if Hawthorn loses, or if Carlton or Collingwood lose their last
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If Footscray lose both their matches they could drop out also!

>two matches. This is possible because Carlton and Collingwood play each other
>on Saturday.


>-  John Marinopoulos                                         

Geoff.


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