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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Pond liner questions
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:23:51 GMT


What about concrete ponds?  I have seen many small ones at botanicial 
gardens across the country that are ages old.  Is the cost of building
these so unreal or are there other drawbacks that this is no longer 
used?

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Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: bugs and those creeped out by them
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:17:40 GMT

This posting is for Ellie and others like her.  

Ellie, your P.S. about your fear of bugs sorta touched my heart.
A bit of advice:  Try to understand them.  I don't mean understand
their little psyches, assuming they have such things, but their physiology,
life cycles, a few of the major families/species.  They will become less
alien to you.  I have spent many fascinating minutes out in my garden
observing spiders, or a mantis eating some loathesome garden pest.  They're
actually interesting little buggers. (Spiders can be actually quite beautiful,
once you get past the fact that they are spiders.)  It also really helps to 
know which are the good ones you should want to keep around.  

And if you are creeped out by bugs, just remember that some of your
(probably) favorite foods are in Order Arthropoda...shrimps, lobsters,
crabs...big bugs of the sea.  Just imagine one of these guys shrunk down
to about, say, one inch, crawling around under your kitchen sink....yummy!!
(sorry!  I couldn't resist.  I am in an evil mood today and, personally, I
never eat anything that comes with a chitonous exoskeliton).
From: Jack.Honeycutt@f52.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Jack Honeycutt)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Pond Building
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:09:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714604328.F00001

Hello Tim!

19 Aug 92, Tim Gornet writes to All:

 TG> I have built 3 ponds with EPDM. To obtain it, just call your local roofing
 TG> supply house.

So true.

 TG> It is also cheaper.

You must be that Master Pond Builder we have been looking for!

 TG> Try sweet-talking one of the roofing wholesalers to sell you some of the
 TG> "scraps", or the end of the rolls and you can get some good deals. Usually
 TG> in the range of 40-50 cents a square foot for .045 and 65-80 cents a
 TG> square foot for .060.

I have been paying 95 cents a Sq. Ft. for 60 mil EPDM in my town

 TG> As far as contoversial, I have never heard that. EPDM is all my pond
 TG> friends and I use and we have had no problem. All we do is scrub off the
 TG> Talc powder that is used to keep the EPDM from sticking to itself.

I have had the same experence.

Say Tim, How is that Lotus of your's doing?

Jack
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Sensitive plants (??)
Organization: noitazinagrO
	<1992Sep2.101438.737@calmasd.prime.com> 
	<1992Sep2.150415.6454@iscsvax.uni.edu> 
	<1992Sep3.153246.26678@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:20:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.153246.26678@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> 
kell@lark.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>>And so must every other  person I've ever shown them to-- ages 1 to 97.
>>One of my favorite lecture demonstrations in a big lecture hall is to
>>pick up a pot of sensitive plant and bang it down on the desk.  The 
>>whole thing collapses instantly.  Then the students all ears when
>>I want to talk about water movement in plants...

>WHY do they do that?  They grow wild down here and are endlessly interesting 
>to watch and touch.

Presumably for the same reason we touch them and watch them, because we can?
I don't think anyone has come up with a good scientific reason for this rapid
response. Maybe you can figure it out. Most legumes open and fold their 
leaflets, only slower than M. pudica. It does serve to conserve moisture at
night or during cloudy days and lessens the weight of water on the plant 
during heavy downpoors. But, why else? And why the need for a rapid response?
Scares preditors, seems unlikely. Gives us humans something to think about,
could be. Maybe it's the same reason that Hillery gave for climbing Everest,
because it's there. Can you imagine sensitive plants debating about why we
humans go to so much work to climb Everest? Is there food up there? Are we
escaping preditors? Does it rain less up there? Is it an evolutionary 
leftover?
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: tjgorn01@vulcan.spd.louisville.edu (Tim Gornet)
Subject: Hydroponics 
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:47:46 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I am interested in getting into hydroponics for growing vegetables and flowers
(Legal types of plants!!!!) and was wondering if there is anywhere ion the 
network where some info or FAQ might be located to get me started. Any help
would be greatly appreciated. Especially in terms of the lighting required
and the various systems. Thanks.
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Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: lange@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Alex Lange)
Subject: Re: Botanical gardens in and around SF
Reply-To: lange@lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Moving Finger Rights, Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 20:36:11 GMT

barnettj@pookie.crd.ge.com (Janet A Barnett) writes:
: I'm going to San Francisco soon (first time I've ever been west of
: Buffalo!) and would like to know if anyone can tell me where to
: find any interesting botanical gardens or the like in or around
: SF.

You'll probably want to visit Golden Gate park.  Aside from having
an arboretum (labelled as such), the grounds themselves have a
wide variety of plants.

Hope you enjoy your stay,

Alex Lange
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J Farley Norman)
Subject: bonsai
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:34:57 GMT

Hi,

  I've gotten interested in bonsai (potted trees)
lately.  I've found various books here and there
and now have six or so.  I've been to Japan and
have bought most of the tools that I'll need.

  What I'm wondering is :

    Does anyone know if there are any magazines
devoted to bonsai ?  Mail order places to get
related tools, supplies, etc ?

  An american or british magazine about bonsai
would really be useful, I'm sure.

      Thanks !

  Farley Norman
  fnorman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: betz@pinecrest.nsc.com (Gary Betz)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Forcing Bulbs
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:18:28 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

I thought I'd try some bulb forcing this winter and would like some more
data on how to do this. There was a good article in Sunset a while back
but I have lost it. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Gary Betz
San Jose, CA
From: mejh@epx.cis.umn.edu (Michael E. Hedman)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Brown spots in lawns
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:02:40 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

My wife and I on occasion go for walks around the neighborhood, and
recently, we've noticed some oddities. It seems as though about 1/4 
or 1/5 of the lawns have large brown spots (on the order of 20-100 
square feet) in otherwise green (well watered) yards. These spots
generally seem to be located underneath trees. Our neighbor has 
been watering the heck out of the ones in their yard, with no noticable
results.  We live around Mpls/St. Paul area in Minnesota.
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: yp@cbnews.cb.att.com (yagnesh.pathak)
Subject: Rhododendron survival
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:45:56 GMT
Keywords: rhody dying dry disease


Rhododondrons should survive here in Columbus, ohio. I planted two of them and 
both are in the stage of not-growing not-dying. They are between 1-2 foot high 
and the symptoms I have noticed are :

Their main branches become brown and eventually dry from inside, the leaves 
start becoming brown from edges and eventually fall off and new (weak) 
branches come with smaller leaves that are green to start with. One of 
them have grown about a foot in last 2 years and the other has not grown 
at all. 

They are on the north side of the house and are prone to getting strong 
winds in winter. The soil is very clay-like and I have put in a lot of 
organic peat and loose top soil plus humus and I also did put some 
"miracid" but haven't seen much change. 

These plants should grow to 5-6' and flower beautifully in spring but so 
far we are just waiting. The local nursery guy gave some tips (like miracid) 
but was wondering if some experienced folks out there can share some advice 
and make my rhodys grow and bloom.

I'd appreciate any helpful tips.

Yagnesh Pathak
yp\@cbosgd.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter)
Subject: Re: how much sun does garlic need
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.210109.6629@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo) writes:
>I planted garlic in two not-so-sunny spots this year.  How much `grass`
>top is a healthy garlic plant supposed to have.  Mine have about 5
>strands that are now green but flopped over.  The strands are about 1
>foot long. Does this sound about right or did my garlic plants suffer
>from not enough sun.   

Garlic needs full sun and rich soil to do well.  Usually they produce a 
flower stalk on which small bulbils form.  These are the seed garlic, and 
normally this flower stalk is bent over or cut before the bulbils form
so that the maximum amount of "energy" goes toward the underground bulb.
The real test for whether there was enough light is to see what the bulbs 
underground look like.  If they are large and the cloves are well developed
then you had enough light.

Conrad Richter
Richters Herbs
Goodwood, ON L0C 1A0  Canada

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Tony Wallis)
Subject: K9P = amazing herbicide/fertiliser.
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:21:37 GMT

Someone wrote about canine pee
> .. She's a good dog but her urine leaves dead grass spots all over the
> place with nicely green collars around it ..

My question is horti-chemical.  What is that ingredient in dog urine
that in concentrated form is a powerful herbicide, but in diluted
form is an excellent fertiliser ?

One obvious answer might be K9P = N (specifically urea).  However,
consider those "green collars" around the bullseyes.  Several months
ago my friend's dog peed on some grass in a park and we carefully marked
the spot for later study.  The grass ring is still growing at a speed
triple the surroundings.  We have had tons of rain, and I would have
expected any soluble such as urea to have been leached out a long time
ago.  Also, I am getting the "green ring" effect on my lawn where the
dog peed - and my lawn grass certainly does not have nitrogen as a
limiting growth factor.

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: arkdr@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Dave Rindos)
Subject: Re: Australian plants/Ameriflora
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:16:59 GMT

kls@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth L Shellberg) writes:

>The woody plant is Metrosideros tomentosus (M. excelsus), New Zealand Xmas
>Tree-Bush.  An evergreen tree or large shrub, bright red flowers in spring
>and early summer.  It has a Hines nursery tag on it.  Can anyone tell me
>a little more about this?  Is it really zone 5 hardy?  Acid or alkaline?
>eventual height and width?  Other cultural info?
I **really** doubt it will be hardy in zone 5 (which as I recall gets
temperatures around 0F).  THe SUnset Encyclopedia (USA) lists it as
hardy in the Bay area of SF and furhter south.  In other words, NOT cold
at all!  Sunset Zones: 17, 23, 24 (basically, warm lemon climate)

>The herbaceous perennial is Alyogyne huegelii, no common name giBven.  A
>rounded shrub-like plant to approx 2m high with large lilac colored
>flowers.  Leaves remind me of Pelargonium (sp), the geraniums we
>grow here as annuals.  Is it zone 5 hardy?  Any other cultural inBfo
>would be most welcome
Sunset likewise lists this as a bit hardier 15-17, 20-24 -- theynote it
is hardy to about 23F.  Again, not very hardy in Z 5 I would imagine!

Generally speaking Australia is a warm place (by NA standards).  Lemons
can be grown almost everywhere (and are).  WA just went through a late
winter COLD COLD COLD snap -- and the minimum recorded in the STATE 
(which is 1/3 the size of the US) was -2C.  Says it all, I guess.  There
may well be areas in the Blue Mts or in Tassie which could yield lants
hardy in the continental climate regions of the US, but I doubt they are
in commerce.  Somebody SHOULD collected them!

Dave
From: mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Pond liner questions
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:24:27 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

As long as we're on the subject of ponds, I've got another question.  I just
bought a house that has a ~50x40 foot gunite lined pond.  The previous owners
didn't ever clean the pond, so it has quite a bit of sediment ect. on the
bottom.  How do people clean their ponds, and how clean should you keep them.
I would think you want some middle ground between "sterile" and 1 ft of 
decaying stuff on the bottom.

Thanks,



-- 
Michael Burr   mnb@voodoo.boeing.com  | Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
From: studentcoord@igc.apc.org (Alex Brozan)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Seasons and Locations of Produce
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:03:00 GMT
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From: Alex Brozan <studentcoord>
Subject: Seasons and Locations of Produce

From studentcoord Wed Aug 26 16:01:37 1992
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:01:36 PDT
From: Alex Brozan <studentcoord>
Message-Id: <9208262301.AA06735@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Seasons and Locations of Food
Cc: pan, studentcoord
Status: R



HI... I am looking for information about where, when, and with what
produce we get in American supermarkets is grown.  I am a member of a 
student cooperative, and as such we always try to buy local, organic 
produce. But I would like to find out some BASIC information about


1.) When various fruits and vegetables are grown.  For instance, is brocoli
a summer plant?  If so, and we see it in our local Acme in December, we can
be pretty damn sure it has come a long way and may be covered with various
chemicals. 

2.) Where various plants are grown, which are domestic and which are imported
and if they're imported, where they're imported from.

3.) The last one, "with what," I know is a pretty broad question and I am
sure the answer(s) could fill many books. But we are looking for some
basic info on the kinds of chemicals and pesticides used to grow
produce sold in the U.S., particularly produce imported from
Southern countries, where many of our banned pesticides still make
quite a killing (pun intended).

Anyone with any ideas on where such information could be found, please
e-mail me, as I check these conferences infrequently.

Thanks,
alex
studentcoord@igc.org


If any of these are really common questions on these conferences, forgive me.
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: james@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (James White)
Subject: Re: What to Do with Jalapenos?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 22:10:08 GMT
Reply-To: JamesWhite@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep3.175805.1377@uwm.edu>, spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G Spice) writes:
|> I have a bunch of jalapenos and chiles, and more tomatoes than I can
|> shake a stick at.  I need to harvest ASAP.  Does someone have a good
|> but simple recipe for salsa?  It would be greatly appreciated and would
|> save a large quantity of food from going to waste.  E-mail would save
|> some space on the net.  Thanks in advance.
|> 

Why salsa?  Sure, we make our share of salsa and taco sauce.  But for a
really good breakfast drink, how about a nice spicy tomato juice (I would
call it V4+4, but I am sure I would get into some copyright hassles.)

Here is the off the cuff recipe.

A lot of tomatoes with the water squeezed out. (cuts down on cooking time)
A bunch of green peppers and hot peppers.
Some fresh green celery (not that tasteless blanched kind)
Some parsely and other spices of interest.
Some beets to give a good color to our mixture.
Some carrots, cause I like carrots.
And heck, anything else you want to put in there.

Cook it until it is mushy and then run it through your seeve (not sleeve,
since that would be too messy).  If you have a nice juicer, then more power
to you.

Let the juice set in a large bowl and skim some of the water off.

Fill jars and hot water bath.

And to steal from the beer makers.  Relax don't worry, have a V4+4.


-- 

James White 
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: fertilizer time course?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:13:14 GMT

Hi,
	I wonder if anyone knows how long it takes fertilizer to act? I 
realize that it varies according to both the plant and the fertilizer 
but... suppose I use miracle grow on my petunias. How long should it take 
for it to show some effect?

skip
From: chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Pruning  (Was Re: Advice: Peonies, iris, lilacs)
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:04:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

Another source of information about pruning is a group in Seattle called
"PlantAmnesty."  (I kid you not.)  Basically the premise of the group is 
that bad pruning amounts to torture and slow death for trees and shrubs.
This is tongue-in-cheek, of course.

I was given a videotape of theirs called "Slide Show of Pruning Horrors" and
it is *very* funny and instructive.  At the end is a demonstration of proper
tree pruning.  The group also prints brochures on pruning fruit trees and
other things.

The address (two years old, but hopefully still valid) is:

PlantAmnesty
906 NW 87th Street
Seattle, WA  98117        The founder is Cass Turnbull, who does the video.



David Christensen
chrisda@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
From: stan@service.West.Sun.COM (Stan Galonski [Strategic Account Manager])
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Raising PH
Date: 3 Sep 1992 17:26:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: stan@service.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: service.west.sun.com

From rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French)
ur local tap water in Palo Alto has a PH of around 5.5.  This wreaks
havoc with my hydroponic gardening, since the PH decreases rapidly as
the nutrient solution is used up.  I've tried adding lime to the
solution, but it tends to settle out and clog up the pump.  I've also
tried General Hydroponics' "PH Up", but even a full quart in my 35
gal. tank doesn't have a noticeable effect.  Does anyone have any
better suggestions?  Perhaps some chemical I could buy from a chemical
supply house that would be cheaper than $10/qt for PH Up (and a lot
stronger).

		Rob

Rob

	Try a swimming pool supply house, you'll get a life time supply
	if you're only doing 35 gal. at a time for under $20.

Stan



Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: stein@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov
Subject: Sod 'gaps'
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory - Advanced Photon Source
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:41:12 GMT

Excuse this if it's a FAQ...

I've recently moved into a house with new sod. Lots of water and sunshine
later, it seems to be doing very well - except for large (typ. 1") gaps between
many of the
'sheets' of sod. I'm wondering what I can do to fill these in (if anything). I
was thinking about pouring a nice topsoil mix into these gaps and hoping the
grass will grow in, how does that sound?




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From: AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox)
Subject: Know this caterpillar?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 1 Sep 1992 19:20:52 MST

I've got an infestation of caterpillars on my grape vines and was
hoping someone out there might be able to help me identify it.  It's
only about 3/4 of an inch long, black and yellow striped, a little
fuzzy all over and they sting!  I was pulling weeds amongst the grapes
and got one caught in my glove and it started stinging the heck out of
my hand!  Anyway, does this 'pest' sound familiar to anyone?
Thanks!
Kevin