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From: gdsimpson@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Latino Student Mailing List
Date: 5 Apr 92 16:31:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Apr5.123147.1
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.


	Hola, me llamo Gilberto and I am the co-chair of La Causa (the Latino
 student group of Amherst College). I am writing this letter because I am 
 interested in trying to set up some kind of communication among Latinos at
 different colleges and universities. What I have in mind is to try to create 
 a mailing list where it would be possible for individuals and organizations to
 talk through the network. If such a mailing list existed, it would be possible
 to do a variety of things like:

   1) Inform one another about conferences and events happening
      on other campuses.
   2) Share information about how to effectively organize as students.
   3) Find more effective ways of recruiting and holding onto Latino students
      and faculty.
   4) Talk about ways to change the curriculum so that it starts to deal with
      concerns specific to Latinos in the U.S. (e.g. Hispanic-American Studies 
      programs)
   5) Get access to news about Latino students that probably is not availiable 
      through the 'mainstream' student magazines about campus life.
   6) Meet people who have a similar background and interest. (e.g. Afro-Latin
      studies is an area where it is not easy to get lots of information through
      the library and a mailing list might make it easier for people to get the
      names of books or references which others have found useful)
   7) Find ways that Latinos have experinced/dealt with racism on campuses

	I am sure that there are other things that a Latino mailing list could
 be used for and it would really be up to its members to decide what direction
 it should take. Right now, I am going to try to find out how the list would
 work from the computer end of things and in the meantime I will try to spread
 the word about the list and get the names of potential members. 

	If you are interested:

 please send e-mail to	 lacausa@amherst.edu or
		       gdsimpson@amherst.edu

 and also: if you know of anybody who might want to participate in the list 
           please forward this letter to them so that word of this can get out.

    gracias

 -Gilberto


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From: jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.news-media,soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.mideast,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Iran & Iraq War
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

There seems to be a misconception about the purposes of alt.news-media, to
which this and other political discussions have been cross-posted.

Alt.news-media is for the discussion of the news business and issues
related to the way news is covered.

It is specifically *not* for the discussion of the news itself. Thank
you for not cross-posting any more political discussion here.

John Locke
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Race Relations Survey
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:38:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr02.183430.15870@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
>>In article dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>| Please explain what you mean by "bogus" history ??
>>
>>Cleopatra and Beethoven were black, the Greek's stole everything
>>they knew from Africa, ascribing the acheivements of Arabic and
>>Egyptian peoples to black Africa. 
>>
>How do you know that this isn't true ? Who are you getting your information 
>from ???

We have as much evidence for these as we do that they got it all from
psychic being from another world.  There's just no facts to back up
the assertions made by the fringe afrocentrics.  It's up to them to
prove that Cleopatra was black (unfortunately for them, however, we
know her lineage).

>From my readings the involvment of Africans in the slave trade wasn't the same
>as the european's involvment.

They weren't.  The Africans ran it in Africa by "providing" the
slaves, and the Europeans and others bought the slaves from them.


>This does not and should not nullify the europeans
>involvement in the slave trade which was drievn by their greed.

Of course not.  Nobody comes out of this looking good, unless the
Africans did it for some charitable reason.


>>BTW, if Classical learning was stolen from Africa, then
>>studying it is by definition multicultural.
>>
>That may be true but it has been so distorted by the europeans till its
>not multicultural anymore.....  :)
-- 
Graduate of the Darth Vader School of Personnel Management
From: john@anasaz (John Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African-Americans
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:30:12 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, AZ, USA

Keywords: 

In article <1992Apr5.212500.11310@acsu.buffalo.edu> arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho) writes:
]Regarding your assertion about the Chinese individual, he may not live long
]enough to escape: he may end up being the victim of a drive-by shooting or get
]caught in the crossfire of a gang war, or join a gang himself and get killed
]that way. 

Yes, but MOST people growing up in those neighborhoods do survive.


]You may want to talk some parents in Harlem or Compton and find out 1sthand 
]just how hard it is to raise children in such neighborhoods, in spite of all
]their efforts to keep their kids in school and out of trouble and all their
]good intentions.

Yes, it is hard. No doubt about it. On the other hands, it would be hard
to find pairs of parents, given the statistics on one parent families
in those communities. That is part of the problem!

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality! - -
 - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - -
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.mideast,talk.religion.misc
From: arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir)
Subject: Re: Minority Religions in Iran (was executed baha'i)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.170137.10248@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>Things seem to be changing. I have personally seen a Zoroastrian
>calender which was published in Iran for the last calender year which
>contained notes for religious holidays and historical events, etc.. The
>shortwave service from Tehran regularly broadcasts such items as poetry
>from the Shahnameh and discussions about such works which are based in
>Persian history rather than Islamic history. I think many Iranians who
>are living abroad would be surprised what kind of things are being
>broadcast from Iran these days.
>

What sorry times when one is surprised that one's national history and 
poetry are recognized and rather respected by one's own official media!

>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>
>BTW, I would tend to agree with Behnam Sadeghi's statement. All the
>Iranians that I know seem to have a deeper empathy toward people than
>most Americans. It is my opinion that Americans are far quicker to
>stereotype people.

At last, someone not blinded by the sensationalist media!  Thanks.


Regards,
 Arash

*****************************************************************************

If you want to destroy something, do not attack it.  Rather defend it badly.
							Dr. Ali Shari'aty

I maintain that the current regime in Iran has done an astonishingly good job
in "badly" defending Iran and Islam.

*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african
From: padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.010909.27043@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>
>>From what I understand, the Africans who participated in the slave
>>trade made money from the transactions, and were not themselves
>>subsequently sold as slaves.
>
>Where are you getting your information from ? You are making statements about
>something that you know nothing about ! Every African was at risk of being
>enslaved by the european slave traders ! I have relatives and written accounts
>in my family that talk about these kinds of things. It just angers me to
>think that white people just don't want to own up and admit that THEY are
>responsible for enslaving Africans ! NO ONE ELSE. My comparison about the jews

They WERE responsible. I am NOT responsible for this. No arguments you can 
make can show I was responsible. No arguments can show that any living white
person is responsible for slavery.

Slavery has existed in EVERY culture. No culture is immune.

Peter

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From: pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:18:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr16.043334.4906@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> jkgreen@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Jere K Green) writes:
>
>Do you deny the existence of Bilal?

NO

 >Do you deny that he was a slave of Muhammad?

NO

>Do you deny that he was sold along the East African slave route?

NO

>Do you deny that African slaves have been sold along a trade route
>since ancient times?

PROBABLY NOT
>
ge is that much can be written and nothing communicated. 

Let me put it plain language. Answer the following.

1)what race was Muhammad ?
 
2) what race was this Bilal ?

3)Are negroes the only race on the African continent ?

4)do all the races in Africa have the same culture ?

4)Can you quote a specific case where negroes held other negroes in slavery 
without the participation of caucasians one way or the other?

5)do you realize that the northern part of Africa has been for the last 1300
yrs been totally different from the rst of Africa?

>West and Central Africans didn't have much of a tradition of writing
>things down in ancient and medieval times, if my understanding is
>correct, and in fact, when you go to the library most of the
>scholarship is done by people who consult the original sources as best

by Walter Rodney. who lived for many years in Africa.

Makala
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:11:12 GMT

In <1992Apr13.143312.26515@mercury.cair.du.edu> rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu
 (Robert T. Huffman) writes:

>In article <viking.703149779@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>
>>Dowdy may enjoy the feeling he gets when he thinks of African slavery as
>>being caused by the white man, but history shows that to be wrong.
>>
>I'm not really sure how any rational human being can believe this.  Sure,
>some opportunistic black Africans benefitted from selling slaves to Arabs
>and Europeans and Americans.  And perhaps some sub-Saharan African cultures
>enslaved other peoples from the continent for their own use.  But face up
>to the facts--it was demand in other parts of the world that caused the
>larger part of the desturction of Africa's population.  I certainly don't
>have any stats, but I suspect my country (US) had more slaves than just about
>any other "civilization" you can name.

	As another data point, Shaka Zulu is credited with taking the Zulu
nation from a system of ritualistic warfare, where only a few are killed
in any battle before stopping hostilities, to over 19,000 men killed in a
single battle.  He did this in less than ten years, partially as a result
of a nifty new spear design he supposedly saw in a dream.  Shaka Zulu had
never seen a white man, in case you were wondering.  Demand existed in
both Africa and anywhere else in the world.  The Egyptians were enslaving
their own black neighbors long before whites were even known to exist,
let alone any cultural exchange happening.  The bottom line is that each
group of people will enslave or otherwise subjugate others no matter what
their race, color, or creed.  Alexander the Great even slaughtered Greek
Hoplite mercenaries because they happened to oppose him and fight on the
losing side, rather than let them negotiate new contracts.  As for
slave numbers, I fail to see where raw numbers make for a more moral
method of slavery.  On the contrary, it is all wrong (at least, it is to
us today).  Demand for slaves does not result in fulfillment unless other
blacks are willing to sell their conquered neighbors.  Solidarity among
the blacks could have defeated virtually any slavers you could dream of.
That it didn't happen is proof that color is no measure of humanity.

<Daniel R. Sorenson   Dod #1066  |If Iowa State University agreed with me >
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu <- work |I'd make $90K/yr.  They don't, I don't. >
<viking@iastate.edu      <- play |"I am *not* goofing off.  I am driving  >
< myself mercilessly in the pursuit of relaxation." -- T. Weeds           >
From: arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African-Americans
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:02:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

JM (John Moore):
In article <1992Apr5.004434.18124@intelhf.hf.intel.com> sguillo@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stanford Guillory) writes:
]Oh, I Understand now, John. He wasn't talking about blacks in general, He was
]ONLY talking about blacks in the U.S. He only forms unsubstantiated, untrue,
]unprovable opinions about blacks in this country. Blacks from other countries?
]Hey, they're cool. John, don't waste your considerable intellect defending
]assholes like this. I RESPECT you.

Sorry, but on the POLITICAL front, I agree with him. Too many self appointed
spokesmen for american blacks are whiners. Meanwhile, other blacks quietly
succeed in their lives, in spite of whatever the whiners whine about, but
we don't hear about them (until they rise to the Supreme Court).

***** The number of Blacks who 'quietly succeed in their lives' are the excep-
tion, not the rule. Too bad they don't have the good fortune to have a U.S.
Senator (like the one from Missouri) act on their behalf and help them to suc-
ceed. I would also remind you that if you that if Clarence Thomas were liberal,
there is no way he would have ever worked for Danforth, gotten a job in the 
Reagan administration, and gone on to become a Supreme Court Justice. This man
derides AA yet himself was a beneficiary of it (that's how he got into law
school). Can you say 'hypocrisy'?

Thomas is regarded as an 'Uncle Tom' or sellout by some African-Americans be-
cause of his political beliefs. While it is undeniable that hard work and per-
sistence are critical to success, Thomas is in need of an attitude adjustment
if he thinks that just because he's 'made it' that every other African-American
should be able to as well. Everyone's situation is different. Life in the ghet-
to is no picnic. 

This is not to say that liberals are any better. Some White liberals are closet
White supremacists...they just don't realize it.

Thomas is where he is because of his politics and politics aside, I fail to see
how being a federal appeals judge for 18 months qualifies anyone to sit on the
Supreme Court.

As far as 'whining' is concerned, please elucidate. Do you mean publicizing and
protesting racism and discrimination? I certainly hope not. While this is im-
portant, I'm not sure this should be the #1 priority for African-Americans (or
Hispanics, either). Improving education and increasing entrepreneurship and
political participation should be the primary focus of any and all civil rights
groups IMHO. I think certain groups must change direction.

Peace.
-- 
"A young man who is a conservative has no heart; an old man who is a liberal 
has no brain." (Winston Churchill)
"Sin trabajo, no hay nada." ("Without work, there is nothing.")
Vance Arocho: arocho@acsu.edu (SUN)/V068PZYD@ubvms  (VAX)
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From: krueger@galileo.uucp (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:58:31 GMT
Distribution: world ,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Apr12.010909.27043@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>
>Where are you getting your information from ? You are making statements about
>something that you know nothing about ! Every African was at risk of being
>enslaved by the european slave traders ! I have relatives and written accounts
>in my family that talk about these kinds of things. It just angers me to
>think that white people just don't want to own up and admit that THEY are
>responsible for enslaving Africans ! NO ONE ELSE. 
>
>Dowdy Jackson

 I hope that you are not saying that ALL white people are responsible 
for enslaving blacks, because I am white, and I have never enslaved 
anyone.  And While we're at it, when do I get my reparations from 
blacks because my grandfather fought and died in the Civil War in 
order to free blacks from slavery?

Ted

Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: That's not funny.
---------- krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu ----------  
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From: john@anasaz (John Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:23:14 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, AZ, USA

Keywords: 

In article <guillory.702890744@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
]>Perhaps they should be required to stay at home and raise the children
]>that they fater out of wedlock and to the marry the mothers of those
]>children instead of leaving them to go onto welfare.
]
]Well gee, John, given that white females make up the vast
]majority of welfare receipients (~70%), maybe we should
]hold those horny white males to the same standard, huh?

I agree, we should. However, the rate of single parent families and
illegitimate births, among urban blacks is much higher than that
among urban whites. Certainly this part of modern black culture
needs to change.

]Heres a question for everyone. How much of every tax dollar
]I spend on welfare would I save if they got those lazy, whining
]white people off of welfare? (Hint: 70 cents). How about
]blacks? (Hint: 25 cents). Which lazy group is costing us the most
]money? You figure it out.

True, regarding welfare. Of course, if we got the rich, retired folks
of all races off of Social Security, then we would really make some savings.


-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
"Government is the agent of those who are too refined to do their own mugging."
  Joseph Sobran
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,soc.culture.iranian,soc.rights.human,talk.politics.mideast,talk.religion.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African-Americans
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:49:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho) writes:
>ceed. I would also remind you that if you that if Clarence Thomas were liberal,
>there is no way he would have ever worked for Danforth, gotten a job in the 
>Reagan administration, and gone on to become a Supreme Court Justice. This man
>derides AA yet himself was a beneficiary of it (that's how he got into law
>school). Can you say 'hypocrisy'?


Can you say "This is what AA is so great for?"  If any black gets
uppity, you cut him off at the knees as just another AA beneficiary,
not worthy in his/her own right.

With any luck for the white supremacists, AA will continue,
reinforcing the credo of black inferiority.

-- 
There are eight million stories in the naked city - this is not one of them.
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From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Iran & Iraq War
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:56:05 GMT

saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:


> Propagana are part the war. But it was Khomeini who made
> the overthrown of the Iraqi govbernment a pre-condition
> for peace. The Iraqis offered peace in 1981. Khomeini did
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

First of all:

In 1981, The Iraqi's have several thousand square miles of Iran. 
They were in Khoramshar and had besieged Abadan. If you go back
and read (that is if you read other sources but your biased news of
your organization or your ally Saddam Hussein ) their peace 
proposals were often vague and also they had many claims to Iranian
territory including full control of Shatel Arab or also called Arvand
rud.  After all this was the minimum objective of his invasion of Iran,
and as we know his objectives were increased and decreased
depending on how well or how poor his troops were doing on the
war fronts. This kind of peace proposal may have been acceptable to
people like you who have betrayed their country and countrymen by
allying with the enemy, but in my opinion not to most Iranian people.
Iraq might have accepted a reasonable peace proposal later in the war,
not only because he was for peace but because Iranian people sacrificed
their lives for their country and religion and kicked his butt!

Second of all:

In my opinion invasion of another country is like raping that whole
country. The analogy for this would be, for one to ask for forgiveness
(or peace) after raping another person, without being punished and in
Iraq case even ending up with some prize for his crime (i.e. Iranian
territory). So go get your facts and logic straight before attacking
or supporting a group blindly.


> not accept and continued the war resulting in a million dead
> and millions of maimed and refugees. That is my point.

How many of these deaths your organization has caused (directly or 
indirectly) by siding with the enemy!! You have been cluttering the
net with slogans and false claims!! From now on, I will use the 'n'
key on your articles. And I want to congratulate you for it because
I have not ever used this key in skiping articles in this newsgroup.
I have given you way too many chances as I've reached my threshold.
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