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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:39:40 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:

> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> >I may elect to block anonymous calls at the CO, in which case you would
> >have to call back with ID enabled to get through. If it is important
> >enough to you to speak with me, you'll do that.  
> 
> And what if "I" just happen to be somewhere without CID?  How will
> I get through at all?

Your number will be reported as "out-of-area" or "unavailable", and I
will quite likely answer, if I am home.

> What about foreign calls?  I take it nobody will ever get thought to you
> from a foreign country.

Likewise, those calls are tagged as out-of-area.

I don't mean to shout, but I have all along been talking about blocking
ANONYMOUSLY PLACED calls.  If ID is unavailable, then it's unavailable.
That is beyond the scope of this discussion.  But if it's blocked, I'm
not interested in speaking with the person who is blocking.  The only
way you will be assured of not getting through to me is if you place a
call with blocked ID, and that means you most certainly do have the
option of enabling ID.

While I'm on this, can anyone explain why blocked-ID blocking is such a
point of flamability?  I have followed not only this thread, but the
original comp.dcom.telecom conversation that ultimately became a
newsgroup.  (comp.society.privacy)  By far, the point that was most
hotly debated was that of blocked-ID blocking.

Christopher, I don't mean to single you out here, but your first
question is a good example...

"How will I get through at all?"

Like I said before, if it's important, you'll find a way.  But this
question prompts me to ask "who cares?  Is it that important that I
answer _your_ call?"  I've been called stuck-up for saying I'd ignore or
block blocked-ID calls, but what does that say about the person doing
the accusing?  Doesn't it imply that this person might be sending all
his calls blocked by default, and his ego is hurt when I as much as tell
him I'll ignore him?

I maintain that I do no one harm by ignoring anonymously placed calls.
So I don't answer... so what?

So, how about it, literate opponants of CNID?  Why is it wrong to ignore
or block anonymous calls?  Why do you folks think it is so important
that I answer the phone to anyone?
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
   "I like Santa Claus as well as the next guy, but do you really want a
   hard drive that's spent 6000 miles at the bottom of a canvas sack in a
            wooden sleigh powered by airborne reindeer?" -- me
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Agrippa
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

RJH> kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:
|I think Gibson is a farce!  He's just bullshitting us!  C'mon, oh! it's soo

 net.prattle.shit deleted

RJH> Correct me if I am wrong, but will not such self-erasing works become a
   > necessity on an electronic medium in order for artists to earn their daily
   > bread? Think about it: if information can be replicated and distributed at
   > zero cost, all knowledge loses its economic value as soon as it is release

RJH> BTW, this guy definitely has an attitude. Does that make him CP?
Nope, just another pinhead looking to stick his head under your skin and get
some response from you/us.  Twit filter activated....


RJH> -- 
   >  Bob Hall                   |  if [ -bs message ]; then
   >  Boeing Computer Services   |      mv message /compost/heap/$$
   >  root@chicken.ca.boeing.com |  fi

Funny                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mykel


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Think hard now!  Which one is Shinola?
                                             
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:42:59 GMT

I live in Vancouver, BC and have gotten the number of someone calling from
Toronto, Ont before. I think it all has to do with that model the class 4 and
up switches (that pass the calls between the COs) are.. And of course if they
are set to pass along that info.


I don't believe that ID Block should exist. It seems the phone company should
be getting sued by everyone who has Caller ID for selling a faulty service.
If they are required by government to have a Caller ID Block service then
they shouldn't have Caller ID. ID Block isn't needed, people whine about
having abused wives having to call ex-husbands etc... She could either use a
payphone, have her lawyer/social worker make the call, or call from an
unlisted number so that even if her number was received he couldn't do
anything anyway (How many enraged husbands think to do a CNA?.

If you call someone you are disturbing their privacy, that why people hate
telemarketers. If you want to call someone then you are invading their
privacy, wanting Caller ID Block is like wanting to hold your hand over the
little peep hole in a door...incredibly stupid.


The people who have the Caller ID are being stuck up in not answering calls
showing private, it's not like the person could assault you over the phone,
the worst they could do is insult you. And they have a valid reason to block
their ID for every call, with all the wackos with Caller ID it's a hassle to
dial a wrong number and then be called back twenty times 'just for payback'.


Summary: Caller ID shouldn't exist, if it does, Caller ID Block shouldn't. If
Caller ID Block Exists then people with Caller ID are being stuck up and
paranoid in not answering calls that don't show up.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:19:53 GMT

>And as a response to whomever said something like "If you could rig up a
>speaker so that you could hear what was going on on the other side of the
>phone, even before you answered the phone anyway, so you could get the
>caller's number by somehow interpreting the 1200 baud signal..." or
>whatever:

>No you can't.  The speech path is not established until the terminator (the
>person BEING CALLED answers.  And until this path is established, you can't
>hear ANYTHING.


So sorry to dash your hopes of knowing anything about phones against a the
facts, but I HAVE listened to the conversation at the calling parties end
before 'picking up' my phone (I was listening with a modified phone, it
didn't change the voltage when I used it, it just read the voice off the line
so there was no way to say anything).

I repeat, person A calls person B, person B can hear what person A is saying
before person B actually goes 'off hook'.

It IS true, I know it because I have done it. I'm not sure about your area
but it works here (Greater Vancouver Regional District under B.C. Telephone).
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: ONE-DOLLAR MANGA FOR SALE!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:05:09 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

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like to share it with all of you manga fans in the world.  By sending me
ONE DOLLAR, cash or money order, I will send back to you a sample of
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margin.  If you like it, there will be instructions on the back of the
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Send a self-addressed, stamped (29 cents) business-size envelope to:

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2206 Durant Ave. #5
Berkeley, CA 94704

If you have questions, send e-mail to robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu, or
call (510) 649-1857.

*manga is Japanese comics.
** make sure you like R-rated movie-type of material.
*** sample will have 8 pages.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (gogo is insane)
Subject: Re: CyberTrendies - Mondo 2000, etc..
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: What is Cyberpunk?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00:12:21 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, ikuz@cs.vu.nl said about 'CyberTrendies -
Mondo 2000, etc..': 
|ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (your unconscious mind) writes:
|
|>Somewhere in Cyberspace, ikuz@cs.vu.nl said about 'CyberTrendies -
|>Mondo 2000, etc..': 
|
|>|Well I suppose this doesn't have that much to do with Mondo 2000 or 
|>|CyberTrendies - too bad. One more question: Is it actually possible to be a 
|>|Cyberpunk now ( ie 1992/3) or does being a Cyberpunk just mean that you happen
|>|to live in that kind of a society?
|
|>What do *you* think? 
|
|>|		Ihor.
|
|>--
|
|>    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
|>    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
|
|Well for me Cyberpunk is a description of the future so it wouldn't
|be possible for someone to be a Cyberpunk ( just a fan of Cyberpunk ).

Cyberpunk is now.  Today.  Right here.  This second.

I've spent thew last hour reading all the incoming mail on my
FutureCulture list, as information on Agrippa continues to pour in
from all corners of the net, and, most importantly, MindVox.

Reposting Agrippa, violating copyrights of virtual art, sitting there
with an information high to hear how Gibson has reacted to Agrippa
being net.wide....

Soon I'm going to go over to MindVox and get the firsthand stuff....

The..the skies were beautiful....purple and red and onfire.....

|I realise though that other people also consider Cyberpunk to be a sort 
|of subculture and in that case if you're into that then you're a 
|Cyberpunk.
|
|	Ihor.

Thanks for setting me straight......=)

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:44:42 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


This morning on the radio they had a guy from New England
Telephone talking about Caller ID and other new services.

One of the more interesting items was that Caller ID doesn't
work across state lines (at this time, but there is a trial
program to try to make it do so) so if you're like me
and you live right on the border of another state and half
your calls from that other state, then Caller ID will only work 
on about half your calls.

Sounds useless to me.

Also on the show was a guy from a company which he claims
is the only U.S. maker of the Caller ID boxes.  The boxes
from his company start at $75.00.  No way am I going to pay
that much for a box like his.  When they come down to
around $20.00 I'll consider it.


-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: Re: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.030124.27647@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> gpeel@mta.ca writes:
>
>		 may be wasting time, but my school covers the cost of the 
>networking. 

And so does every other school and business, etc...
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: FAQ
From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:51:45 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Could someone kindly post the FAQ
?
 
Doug

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: Re: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.181803.22112@brtph560.bnr.ca>, dmoye@bnr.ca (Herb Tucker P920) writes:

>|> >		 may be wasting time, but my school covers the cost of the 
>|> >networking. 
>|> And so does every other school and business, etc...
>But it's still money.  If you don't mind wasting your employers money, then you
>obviously have a severe morale problem.  And if you don't mind wasting your 
>schools money, then you obviously don't mind yearly tuition hikes either.

 a company or school or whathaveyou pay an annual fee to be hooked to
this net-land, and you may use it how much you want..




---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my OWN,
               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
---------------+--------------------------------+----------------------------
 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6740 sci.electronics:21134
From: rclarke@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:04:45 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1gqnuiINNqre@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
> [all the stuff about not answering the phone w/o recognizing the number
> on the fancy caller id box deleted]
> 
> BULL.  People (and the orig. poster) will continue to answer the phone
> on numbers that they do not recognize.  Nobody will ONLY answer the
> phone if they recognize the number.  Human nature, curiosity, and common
> sense dictate that you answer the phone - it might be the lottery,
> calling to inform you that you won a million dollars if you come in the
> next hour...   The legitimate use (and the use that it will see) will be
> to block SPECIFIC numbers (such as the aforementioned MCI), and specific
> callers.  Also it will make crank callers think twice.  As for blocking
> numbers from caller-id, I think that people would still answer, unless
> they had been receiving threatening calls or such.  Nobody wants to miss
> that one important, life-changing call that could come at any time, from
> any unknown number!
This statement reminds me of the interesting question.  When you answer the 
phone, who's command are you answering?

> -- 
>    ______________________________________________________
>    | Travis Stansbury, Yale '94  || 2358 Yale Station   |
>    | travis@minerva.cis.yale.edu || New Haven, CT 06520 |
>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--
Ethan Clarke
---
RClarke@AC.DAL.CA

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:27:33 GMT

In article <28415@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
>
>People that want their priviacy, can block their number.  If they then
>have problems getting through to someone, they have a choice.  They can
>either not talk to that person (on the phone), or they can do the fair
>thing, and reveal their number.

Who's to say that's the "fair thing?"  I've seen/heard enough people
who want the blocking capability to question the "fairness" of revealed
numbers.

>The important issue is that everyone controls their own life.  If you
>don't answer the call because you don't recognize the number - and it
>turns out to be a loved one trying to call you from her death bed -
>then that's your problem.  Who are we to decide (or even debate) whether
>they should or should not have caller ID because they might or might
>not do the wrong thing because of it?
>
>Overall, I'm a strong believer that privacy and secrecy is the root
>of all evil.  And you should always try to eliminate any form of
>this evil.  In that respect, I think caller ID is an obvious step
>in the right direction.

Overall, I believe invasion of privacy is the root of much evil.
I value mine and resent any overt intrusion therein.  What I do
behind closed doors is nobody's business, as long as I don't harm
others.  Not that I think caller ID is an enormous invasion of privacy,
but I can see times when I might resent it.

>It's going to eliminate obscene phone calls.  It's going to greatly
>reduce phone fraud.  It's going to make life better for everyone.

It's going to hinder investigations, (media and police). Its going
to scare off informants, kill anonymous tips, it's going to generally
hinder relationships. (What if I don't whan you to know WHERE I'm calling
from?)

>And, most importaintly, it's going to cause never ending threads of
>discussion in newsgroups they don't belong in.

It's going to be discussed in newsgroups where it DOES belong.

>Curt

ratner
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tbredeho@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas A Bredehoft)
Subject: New Book
Summary: How's it look?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:18:04 GMT

I just picked up a copy of a new book, _Fiction 2000: Cyberpunk and the Future
of Narrative_, but I haven't yet had a chance to do anything more than skim the
introduction.  It's a book of criticism edited by George Slusser (editor of
numerous sf-criticism anthologies) and Tom Shippey (medievalist of some
repute).  My question is whether or not people have seen this and what opinions
are on it.  If there is little or no response, I'll probably try to post a
summary/review in a week or so, after I've had a chance to read it in more
detail.

(PS--had to plug the medievalist, since that's my real calling, too.)

Thomas A. Bredehoft
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:02:18 PST
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Subject: Gibson
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Damian.Turner%bbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Damian Turner)
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10a S/N 210921

Has anyone heard of William Gibson's new thing?  Short story on disk
which erases itself after ONE reading?  And when will we find it
readily available?  Limited editions only now, very very expensive.
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6508 sci.electronics:20526
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In sci.electronics, dmoye@brtph484.bnr.ca (Herb Tucker P920) writes:
>Don't forget however, that you cannot do this if the service is not available.
>The phone Co I use (C&P in VA) doesn't offer Caller ID Block AT ALL, more less
>as a free service, so check it out before you rely on this...

In sci.electronics, I wrote:
>I live in VA and use C&P.  I have Caller ID, and got instructions with it
>telling me how to block my outgoing number, and how to block incoming calls
>that have had their number blocked.  So they do offer it in at least some
>locations.

Guess what.  I was wrong.  Herb was right. C&P doesn't offer Caller ID block
anywhere in VA.  I think I was confused by the info about their call blocking
service - which has nothing to do with caller ID.

Curt
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: GORDONKA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: RE: Get A Life...
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:03:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

   Somewhere along this news group, gpeel@mta.ca writes:

> ...or try getting ount <sic> in the real world. In short get a 
> fucking life.

   Have you ever noticed that in _EVERY_ single news group here on the
net that there's some _sorry_ sack o' shit who has to denigrate and
insult the average participant? It doesn't matter whether it's alt.cyberpunk
or rec.assholes.flaming, it's the same old song over and _OVER_ again!

   Personally, Peel, my friend, I have a life, not a great one, but not too
shabby, either. I'm quite comfortable with it, work hard to meet my goals 
and understand my limitations. You, on the other hand, obviously have
naught much else to do but cruise across the net and throw insults at folks.
If you don't like this particular news group, why not shuffle on back to
alt.wankers.tossoff where you belong, eh pal?

                                 .......... The Reverend

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From: mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ( Eat Me.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Paul Di Fillipo
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:56:24 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana


	First: Anyone know if/when he's coming out with a novel?

	Second: If anyone has come across any of his stories, please
let me know where. I'm afraid I'm hooked on his writing, and the few stories
I have read leave me wanting more. I only know of (offhand) four stories and 
their locations: Mirrorshades, Science Fiction Age, A Fantasy & Sci Fi from
over the summer, and The Orbit SciFi Yearbook 2. If anyone can point
me in the direction of more, please do so, preferably by email so I can
collect them all easily and post one summary. I do read this group daily, so
if you must post go ahead...

thanks


mike
mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
mtressle@lovelace.bsu.edu
00MBTRESSLER@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

_I_ want a piece of MEAT!
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6728 sci.electronics:21053
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:02:19 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

> If Calling-#-ID is not ruled unconstitutional (which it IS), then there must 
> be some sort of protocol which will be followed by called parties and 
> calling parties.  WHY in the HELL would you want to give out your number to 
> anyone you called?  Why don't you Caller ID freaks put yourself on the other 
> end of the line for a minute.

Not to repeat an argument so soon after my last article, but what do you
care?  If you don't want to send ID, block it.

And why would CNID be unconstitutional?  You have the choice of whether
to send ID, so it's not infringing on you.

Or do you object to the fact that I would know unambiguously that you
had refused to provide your number?  It does kind of kick Heisenberg
right out of the anonymous-call argument, doesn't it?
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                         "I'm a model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
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