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From: Tom Haberlandt <haberlat@ccmail.dayton.saic.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Tar programs for DAT drives
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:31:02 GMT
Organization: SAIC
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I am looking for an application (free or otherwise) that 
will read/write to a 2.3 Gb DAT drive.

The drive is made by TTI but can emulate an Exabyte drive
(and others).

Thanks in advance !
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From: udarryl@mcl.ucsb.edu (Darryl 'Well)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Ethernet router??
Keywords: router ethernet network
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:41:11 GMT

Ok, so this isn't really system related, but here goes anyways...

i've determined that when our office goes all-mac, we can actually
salvage one of those 386sx's that is on the way out, throw in some
ethernet cards, and use it as our router.

i'm planning to put all of the macs on ethernet, then buy a hub, plug
the hub into the 386sx, plug the 386sx into a tranceiver, which then
goes into concentrator, then into a buffered repeater, and FINALLY
into the campus backbone, ergo the internet.

OK...so, i've figured out that popmail should satisfy my needs.  we
can use the 386 as a mail server, with their dos version of mailstop.
BUT how does would the 386 serve as a router?  would i need some sort
of special software?

i DON'T need unix.  not just yet anyways.  that's why we're not just
getting a sun or a next (as some of you might recommend).  we also
can't afford one.

we've got all these sad useless dos machines lying around.  couldn't
one of them be a simple mail server and router?  all i want to do
besides e-mail (for now) is to be able to fetch, or telnet to other
sites from our office.  where does a router (software) fit in?

sorry it's not exactly mac.system related.  didn't know where else to
put it.  hmmm, ok, here's my mac question....

where does mactcp come into the picture, and do i have to buy it?
popmail docs said something about this.  does anybody really know?

thanks...please e-mail me replies...i can't read this whole group
everyday!  and i can't understand this nn program :{

thanks in advance...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: Mac OS on PC
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:15:23 GMT

bc@Apple.COM (bill coderre) writes
>Consider the differences in the application program level:       
>        Mac                             PC                          
>        one hard disk standard          several hard disk standards
>        one kind of video               many kinds of video
>        few kinds of printer            many kinds of printer        
>        few kinds of network            many kinds of network      
>        one kind of sound               several kinds of sounds
>In order for a Mac to truly compete in Clone land, you'd have to add
>all this compatibility in the OS. Microsoft has been trying. It ain't 
>easy.
In your haste to show that people will choose the machine that will best fit 
their need you made some mistakes. * indiactes that the info          
was provided in my Mac & IBM Info posting.
>        Mac                             PC                           
>        one hard disk standard          several hard disk standards 
Some of the PC hard disk standards are incompatable with each other or networks*
>        one kind of video               many kinds of video 
Mac has one TYPE of video interface and FOUR TYPES of video: Apple B&W, Apple   
Color, IBM VGA(MacUser ?,1991), and Autosynchronous Monitors(MacUser Aug 1992) 
>        few kinds of printer            many kinds of printer
True but this a problem with the makers of the printers not providing the
drivers and not of the Mac itself.
>        few kinds of network            many kinds of network
In my Mac & IBM Info posting I pointed out that
"Each of the MS-DOS networking schemes are, in general, totally incompatible 
with the others. Once you have chosen one, you are pretty much locked-in to 
that product line from then on."*  Windows/Work Groups is a little more 
forgiving and removes this problem to some degree.
>        one kind of sound               several kinds of sounds
Accually the Mac supports two kind of sound made by Apple: AIFF and snd
not counting the sounds used before the development of snd as a standard:
WAVE, ASND, FSSD, QSSN, SMSD, SOUN, dc2d, and DCFL to mention a few. So
the Mac 'several kinds of sounds' just as the PC does.  The Mac desided
to make two(AIFF and snd) the standard around system 4.1 or 6.0.3 and
with the rewrite of the Sound Manager in system 6.0.7 some of the old sounds
do not play right, but most still do.

Just some needed corrections
Next time be a little more detailed about compairing Mac and PC.  I found out
that simple lists as the above DON'T cut it {That is why Mac & IBM Info has
grown to 29K of text.}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak)
Subject: Re: Desktop Patterns in Black and White Only
Date:  2 Jan 93 20:23:25 GMT 
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Sigh. This seems to happen when one uses patterns that are larger than 8x8.
You install these wonderful patterns, but when you gothe the control panel,
you find that you've lost your color patterns, and if you choose one, you
can never get back to your color ones unless you install another color one.
I would suggest you get a pattern 'installer'. I know of three: Before
dark, destop textures 2.0 (very nice...has an option to kep you control
panel from getting screwed up), and Deskpat x.0. OTherwise, the onlyu way
to fix your your control panel is to re install your system. It trhows some
little swicht when you mess up the control panel, and there doesn't seem
any way to put it back other thatn reinstalling. If ayone does know, please
infrom me.
 
scott hudziak

ProLine:  hue@pro-freedom
Internet: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-freedom!hue
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From: halvers@procyon.crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: **IMPORTANT** 7.1 installer quirk
Keywords: 7.1 installer
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:08:02 GMT
Reply-To: halverson@crd.ge.com (Pete Halverson)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec22.045118.29142@cc.umontreal.ca> parej@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Pare Jerome) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.220659.15042@nmsu.edu> you write:
>>I upgraded from 7.0.1 to 7.1 and discovered something interesting.
>>If you just use the installer to move up to 7.1 (as opposed to a
>>'clean' install) the installer leaves the system fonts in the system FILE
>>instead of removing them.  
...
>Pardon me if I'm wrong, but are you sure that you can do a clean install
>from the 7.0.dot to 7.1 upgrade kit?

No problem, I did it last night without a hitch (I was too gutless to risk
having something screw up and leave me without an intact sys folder).  It
just requires that you first "hide" the 7.0.x system folder (by renaming it
and moving the Finder to a subfolder).  Boot from the installer disk and
the resulting installation is squeaky clean.

>Personally, I don't think so cause if it's possible, then I bought the 
>wrong product (6.0.x to 7.1 upgrade).  I bought the latter essentially to
>be able to do a "clean" upgrade, despite the higher price tag, so could
>you please confirm this to me?

Pete Halverson                                      INET: halverson@crd.ge.com 
GE Corporate R&D Center                       UUCP: uunet!crd.ge.com!halverson
Schenectady, NY
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: lfreier@darwin.helios.nd.edu (lynda freier)
Subject: Software to shut down and startup a mac automatically
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:33:42 GMT


Is there a shareware or freeware program that will automatically startup a mac  in the morning and shut it down at night, safely. Are there any payware programs?


Thanks,
Joshua Freier
darwin.cc.nd.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ag@erasure.ATT.COM (Agesino Primatic)
Subject: Re: Strange Error at startup
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:02:23 GMT
Reply-To: ag@erasure.hdtv.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <dwv.725828822@magic> dwv@magic.ucsb.edu (Dave Valentine;GS 2012;3471) writes:
Path: ulysses!dptg!att!att!linac!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!network.ucsd.edu!ucsbcsl!magic!dwv
   From: dwv@magic.ucsb.edu (Dave Valentine;GS 2012;3471)
   Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
   Keywords: macintosh, system, system 7.1, startup
   Date: 31 Dec 92 19:07:02 GMT
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   I had a strange error at startup. I had my system freeze up, then when I
   started up, the finder couldn't load my startup-disk, so finder kept on
   resarting itself. I tried the disk tools disk, and it booted, and loaded the 
   disk, three windows would appear, then the finder would just cycle through
   them. I couldn't get the the finder to start up the disk first aid. 
   I rebuilt the desktop, and this didn't solve the problem. I reinstalled
   the system, and that fixed it. Disk first aid said that the disk needed
   opps  did not need fixing.
   Any ideas on what the problem was?
   System 7.1, Mac IIci, 32-bit enabled, various inits.
   thanks,
   david valentine
   dwv@magic.ucsb.edu

David,

I had a similar problem with my Powerbook 170 running system 7.0.1 (8
MB memory, System 7 Tuner 1.1.1, with and without INITs installed).
The Finder would just keep restarting.  When I tried to boot from a
floppy, I got two folder windows continually being selected, one after
another.

I fixed the problem by holding down just the option key when the
Finder was trying to boot from my hard drive.  I don't understand what
just holding the option key does -- it was a fortunate accident.
Anyone have any ideas (besides a corrupted system folder or desktop
file-- remember, I couldn't even boot from a floppy, and I rebuilt my
desktop)?

Ag Primatic
ag@erasure.hdtv.att.com
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Murray Hill, NJ

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From: robbo@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: File sharing Trash Crash
Date: 3 Jan 93 00:28:15 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand


 
I am experiencing a problem emptying the Trash when file sharing is
turned on. 
 
Files can be placed in the trash ok, but any attempt to
empty the Trash causes the machine to hang. ie: a watch cursor appears
and time stands still. The only solution seems to be to push RESET (I
can't bring myself to call it a Programmer's Switch!). :-> 
 
I'm using System 7.0.1 and have tried a number of different network
configurations, different Mac types and so on. I've also tried
re-installing the system from new just-out-of-the-box disks but all to
no avail. Is there something obviously wrong that I'm just too stupid
to see?
 
Thanx, Dave.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: wb@tornado.kodak.com (wb@tornado.kodak.com)
Subject: Re: Inside Mac I-V hypercard stack
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (Telstar), Rochester, N.Y. 14653
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:28:36 GMT

In article <BzIvxJ.3LC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, feinberg@acsu.buffalo.edu (John A. Feinberg) writes:
|> A little while ago someone posted the location of a hypercard stack that was
|> pretty much the first 5 Inside Mac books.  Well, I bit the bullet and tried 
|> downloading it.  Sure enough, it is Inside Mac I-V in Hypercard form!!  However
|> it is 9 MEG long!!!  It is 7 files, each about 800k long in binary form.  Once
|> you get the binaries to your computer, they are in segmented Stuffit (the old,
|> ala 1.5) form.  I had to download Stuffit Classic to join the segments, as I use
|> Compact Pro.  The stack is pretty nice, if you can spare the hard drive space.
|> 
|> John Feinberg
|> SUNY Buffalo


How bout a reference to this stack. I missed this thread!

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From: pejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby)
Subject: MicroSpot Int'l phone/address?
Organization: 3M Company
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:20:55 GMT

My copy of MacPlot Professional 4.0.1 has grown legs and wandered off.
And, of course, now I need to contact MicroSpot Int'l to ask a few
questions.

Could someone post or e-mail me the phone number and/or address for
MicroSpot?  I don't find it in the latest "Vendor E-Mail" listing.

And while I'm at it, is anyone else having problems with MacPlot Pro
4.0.1 and Excel 4.0?  We can't get free-floating text in charts to plot
for some reason.
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From: henry@angelo.amd.com (Henry Choy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Ram disk does not work on pb100
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:00:09 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

>In article <1992Dec11.202501.646@sarah.albany.edu>, pw4963@sarah.albany.edu (Peter G. White) writes...
>>I just received my powerbook 100 and cannot seem to activate the ram disk.
>>I have a 2/20 and the memory control panel doesnt let me activate the ram
>>disk.  It is shown but it is not selectable.  What is my problem?

Minimum configuration is 4MB to activate RAM Disk.

Henry
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Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Santa Clara, California.
From: rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac OS on PC
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:08:01 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <BzMIu1.H4F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole) writes:

>In <1992Dec20.074726.12708@panix.com> rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah) writes:

>>In any case, if Apple DID make hardware, and sell a portable OS and gained
>>substancial market share, then the FTC would come knockin'.  Note that
>>they are already investigating Microsoft, and MS doesn't even control 
>>(directly) any hardware.

>I doubt it would be a problem with the FTC. Their problem with MS is not this 
>sort of thing, but the way MS works it's OS and apps software divisions. 
>Theoretically, MS's app developers know no more about Windows and DOS internal
>than anyone who has gone thru the normal open paths to develop Windows and DOS
>software. (i.e. they guys writing Word for Windows aren't supposed to know 
>about any calls that Joe Schmoe who bought the Windows SDK doesn't) This has 
>become clearly a problem with Windows, since there are clearly problems with 
>Windows software where MS's apps use undocumented features that add value. 

Have you seen the book "Undocumented Windows"?  It even points out where MS 
apps have used undocumented calls.  Could that book be one of the reasons
the FTC has been making a bit more noise of late?

>Apple's risk in this area is if Claris products start to (a) dominate the 
>market and (b) clearly benefit from proximity to Apple. There is nothing 
>illegal in dominating a market, or even in selling all the pieces. What is 
>illegal is to create a purportedly open market (say in application development)
>and then withhold proprietary information in order to dominate that market. 

Actually, it is illeagel to "dominate" a market.  A company or group of
companies (a trust) may not hold monopoly status in any market without the
express permission of the feds.  These laws are called the "anti-trust"
statutes and were put in place some time ago.

>That is what the FTC seems to be looking into at MS. On the face of it, MS is 
>guilty (ask any Windows d3eveloper about standard file dialogs... MS products 
>use them but they weren't documented until very recently) but essentially 
>pleads incompetence (i.e. "we couldn't get everything documented fast enough")
>I wouldn't be surprised if eventually MS ends up going the way of AT&T.. 

It seem that MS is guilty of the charge of not fully documenting Windows.  
But I'm not sure that this should be considered non-competitive behavior.
Although MS is powerful, they are not powerful enough that there are 
substancial barriers to entry in either applications or operating systems
software markets.

Rob
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Software to shut down and startup a mac automatically
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:35:30 GMT

rtmd30@email.sps.mot.com (Greg Ferguson) writes:

>to run to turn it on? It would be *very* dangerous software with much juju
>which could startup a Mac which is off. I would be inclined to inspect my
>CPU with an axe if I saw my machine turn itself on.

Do take the time to investigate...
There have been reports of ill fit of components that, given conditions, shorted
or pressed the mechanism causing start up. Much to the consternation of the
owner.

Also, PowerBook coupled with appropriate modem can wake from sleep to answer
call...

Dale
parkyn@sfu.ca


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: AfterD 2.0w & AutoD 1.0.7i
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:04:46 GMT
Reply-To: HarriRehnberg@salient.com (Salient Software)
Organization: Fifth Generation Systems


In article <10.2b402d5a@ivgate> (comp.sys.mac.system), Michael.Davidson@macrocosm.omahug.org (Michael Davidson) writes:
|L.H.Wood was heard wondering:
|
|LW> I always get an error 25 _Jackson when Autodoubler 1.0.7i kicks in for the
|LW> second check while After Dark 2.0w is running. And increasing the Finder
|LW> memory doesn't fix it - I think these two utilities might be squabbling
|LW> over something.
|
|I don't know what the problem is, but i've heard of the problem before. You're
|not alone. Maybe it has something to do with both programs abreviations.
|Seriously, though, sorry i cannot help you.
|

We are not aware of a problem.  We'll update our copy to 2.0w and
test for this error.

for all FGS products FIFTHGEN@aol.com
for AutoDoubler & DiskDoubler techsupport@salient.com

NOTE: Detailed announcements of updates are made to "comp.sys.mac.announce".
New patchers/updaters uploaded are: AutoDoubler Internal Compressor updater
on 28 December 1992 approx 17:00 PST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: grandoni@iei.pi.cnr.it (Fabrizio Grandoni)
Subject: Re: Where is Macintalk?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: IEI-CNR
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.145637.16405@mail.cornell.edu>, Ray Zimmerman
<Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu> wrote:
> 
> I remember playing around with Macintalk a long time ago when I still
> had my original 128K Mac.  What's happened to it?  Is it still around?
> Does it work with Sys 7?  7.1?  Can it be ftp'd from somewhere?
> 
Apple does not support Macintalk anymore; in fact, it is actively
discouraging developers from using it. 
Does anybody know of any (cheapware...) product having similar capabilities
running under system 7?

          fab
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: File copy unsuccessful -- what to do?
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:27:47 GMT

Well this stuff about floppy defects is all very interesting, but how are
hard drive defects handled? 

My hard drive format util, APS power tools 2.6.4, can be coaxed to print
what it calls the "P" and "G" lists, which are lists of defects. What's the
difference between the two? Also it has a feature that will scan the hard
drive and remap bad sectors to good, without you having to reformat. This
feature has a lot of problems (chief among them that it only works about
half the time) but what does it actually do? My guess is that there is a
list of bad blocks stored at the start of the disk and the disk driver
checks this list for every block it is asked to read/write. Is this
correct?

And does anyone know of a formatting utility that WILL deal effectively
with bad blocks that develop on Syquests. I mean one that will not only
find them all, but will also tell you which files have been affected and
should be checked.

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: glf@oclc.org (Greg Feldman-Hill)
Subject: Sys 7.1 and mixed lang's
Keywords: System 7.1, English, Hebrew, mixed
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:23:39 GMT


Sorry if this is a too-simple question, but...

I have more-or-less been ignoring any postings or info about system
7.1, mostly becuase IT COSTS MONEY NOW, where before system upgrades
did not.

At any rate, from the little I've seen, the new system is supposed to
be able to support multiple languages at the same time... like even in
the same document.  Is this true?

I'd like to have an English system (use English for the menu items and
dialog boxes, etc), but be able to select a Hebrew font in the middle
of my MSWord document AND have it key in right-to-left.  Is this
possible with the new system?  Is there more I'd have to buy, besides
maybe some PostScript or TT Hebrew fonts?

FYI, I have a Mac LCII, 6 meg RAM, 80 Meg HD, 512K built-in video RAM.

Thanks muchly for the info!
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From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: HELP: Bad F-line error when trying to print- Suggestions?
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In trying to print out a document with a lot og different fonts I kep
getting an error which says something like Bad F-line.  I have
tried both background and foreground printing, with and without
printmonitor.  I used both Clarisworks and MacDrawII, with the same
results.  I even went so far as to replace printmonitor and the system
frommy backup disks.  I am using a classic 4/40 with 7.0.1 tuned, only
a few extensions, such as SAM.  

Could somebody please help me!
Thank you in advance!

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