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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:41:02 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu writes:
<I am sorry if there is a better place to find out this info, but I
<am fairly new to the net, and I didn't see anyhting in the FAQ lists
<in here or in rec.arts.startrek.info.
<
<Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
<
<A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
<voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
<it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!

They are all one and the same.  You lose.  Pay up.
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From: anton_sanderfoot@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (Anton Sanderfoot)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: UIUC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:42:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160422.14365@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
mbrubake@ketone.ecn.purdue.edu (Admiral) wrote:
> 
> In article <BzADJJ.D89@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin) writes:



stuff deleted, and blank lines inserted as I'm pretty sure my news reader
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> >  One among our ranks did suggest the interesting hypothesis that some corrupt
> >admiral wanted Picard to get captured, and therefore set him up for an ambush.
> >But if this is the case, we're afraid its an old story.
> >
> 
> Both Captain Jerrico and the Vice-Admiral are corrupt. This was easily seen
> in their Code-2 message near the end of the episode. 
> 
> He said to the effect: 'One way or another our friends have done it.'
> 
> Meaning whether Picard and company was captured, the signal has stopped.
> 
> To which she replies: 'And what about our other friends, I do wish to
> 		       see them again.'
> 
> The key word is OTHER, meaning their mutually friends the Cardassians.
> 

I hadn't interpreted it this way, though I can see your point. I had
understood it to mean that the emmision had stopped, that was the mission
of Picard and gang, and they had accomplished it; whether they will return
alive is the implication if "one way or another." From the verbal code,
though, I could sense that this may not be a mission sanctioned by all the
higher-ups.
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From: rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker)
Subject: Chain of Command (no spoilers)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:06:18 GMT

Finally, an episode with the right balance between action and
interpersonal dynamics.  I found the person portrayed by R. Cox to be a
forceful command type, more war capable than Jean Luc Picard.  The story
itself is intruging, and does not imply an obvious ending or resultion.

More, more!

Coanan the Libertarian

-- 
"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen)
Subject: I just saw Chain of Command
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:32:20 GMT

What follows is not a plot summary but some first impressions.  Anyway here's
a few blank lines for protection:






















It was a different kind of Trek than what has been shown this season.  
Instead of games on the holodeck, this was a bit more realistic in my
opinion.  The assignment of Captain Jelico as well as other events 
really breaks up the chuminess of the senior officers that has developed
over the past 5 years.  I really like their strong development of Capt. 
Jelico--they did this without making him seem one-dimensional, indeed
many facets of this personality are shown in just one encounter with 
Troi.  Captain Picard (or should I say Patrick Stewart)  gives another 
good performance in a role he's not really familiar with -- but I 
suspect he gives an even better performance the second half.  
On first viewing it was good--I'm really anxious to see the second half
now. 




William
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why no brand names on TNG-Why Not?
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:11:21 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:

>scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Scottb) writes:
>
>> pierce@admiral.uucp (Clinton Pierce) writes:
>> : >>In article <12NOV92.07515729@umbc2.umbc.edu>, noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>> : >>> 	Here are my explanations for the lack of brand names in TNG
>> : >
>> : >Hmmm. Though actually, wouldn't you just tell the food materializer,
>> : >"Marburger Klosterbraeu, 15 degrees centigrade?". Maybe that's why there
>> : >aren't any brand names on the Enterprise--there are no corporations anymor
>> : 
>> : Isn't Earl Grey tea a Brand-name?  As in "Computer: tea, Earl Grey, hot."
>> : 
>> 
>> Earl Grey is a more of a "flavor" than a brand name.  The actual brand name
>> of Earl Gray is Celestial Seasonings.
>> 
>
>No it's Twinings!  No it's <insert your favorite brand of tea here>.

Catherine is quite right. Earl Grey tea is a type or flavor of tea. For
example, Oolong or black, types of tea.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: gkatz@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:49:31 GMT

In article <cboerm48.724314995@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>
>>>I think an interesting story would have Data offered a ship.
>
>>I really don't see this as very likely, a captain must exercise human
>>emotion/intuition etc. in his decisions, while Data can compute with the best
>>of them and is coming around in the humanity department, he is not ready for a
>
>Hmmm, I'd have to disagree. I think Data is more than great for the job.
>I feel that emotions tend to get in the way of clear logically thinking 
>more than help to solve a problem... I mean do you want to argue with an
>angry person? or someone who's calm and logical? How often is someone
>"blinded by love"? And Data does have the intuition... look at the way he
>defeated the Romulans in the Klingon episode. I think Data'd make a very
>effecient Captian...course I'd hate to be his number one! It'd be hard to
>deal on a personal level with him is all.
>
>
>						CtB


As "The Gallileo Seven" has proven to Spock, logic does not
solve all problems.  His logic cost the lives of several crewmen.
He also used emotional desperation in the end. (Admittedly he logically
came up with that decision.)

Also, though I don't remember the episode right now, Spock does
say to Kirk that where logic fails, he should use emotion, thus
proving Spock did actually learn from "The Galileo Seven".

In "Assignment Earth" he even suggested human intution over logic.

gkatz
From: hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:41:22 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec16.010527.12853@mercury.cair.du.edu>, aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.132949.9419@iscsvax.uni.edu> hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>Mike Hollander suggested a female captian for the E.  While he believes it may
>>be ok for stardate 4507 whatever it won't work for 1992.  Inferior earthlings
>>of the late 20th century still watch the show and it wouldn't work.  The show
>>would further stall out of its already death spiral and crash.  What I mean is
>>that female captains are a great idea but the way things are now it wouldn't
>>work for the show.  Sorry ladies but the perceptions aren't there.  Maybe in a
>>few years when we see more women CEO's.  The postheroic leader hasn't developed
>>enough yet.
>>
> I think that your reasoning is kind of circular.  In order for women to be
> accepted as leaders, we need to have more women leaders, but they won't be
> accepted because there aren't very many, and around and around and around.
> The way to break this is to put women in positions of leadership and by
> doing so change people's perceptions.  I vote for a female captain!
> 
> Amy
> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu
> 

You're all really missing the point here.  Yes, I know there was a female
captain of the C and she sacrificed herself to fight some Romulans so the
E could escape.  I'm not saying a woman wouldn't work leading the enterprise in
their time I'm saying it wouldn't work in our time.  As much as we want to
admit we are a kinder gentler viewing audience we still enjoy the macho image
of the SHIPS CAPTAIN.

Matt
hodge3726@uni.edu
escape.  I'm
From: z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command - This week?
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:38:13 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Dec13.040635.20715@trentu.ca>, tchambers@TrentU.CA (panda's bear) writes:
> Does anyone know if Chain of Command is really being shown starting this 
> week?  That's what I've heard...yet it was listed as being shown in early 
> January before...
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> tchambers@trentu.ca                  LIVE FROM TRENT UNIVERSITY---TRAILL COLLEGE
> Terrence D. Chambers                 Peterborough, ON  *Canada*
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YES! At least that is what was advertise on the local stations down here
in Texas.

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Deep Space Nine launch promos
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:41:20 GMT



Paramount released a batch of new DSN promos Tuesday!
Here's the scoop...

DEEP SPACE NINE generic/launch promos
--------------------------------------

Version #1 (:30)
  It waits... at the edge of the final frontier.
  It waits... for an untested crew to begin an unprecedented journey.
  But most of all, it waits for you.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.

Version #1 (:15)
  It waits for an untested crew to begin an unprecedented journey.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.

Version #1 (:10)
  From the edge of the final frontier comes a new television series.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  Coming in January.


Version #2 (:30)
  It waits... at the limits of time and space.
  It waits... for a freedom fighter to lead her people to peace [Kira],
    and for an extraordinary being to seek the mystery of his life [Odo].
  But most of all, it waits... for you.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.
  
Version #2 (:10)
  From the producers of Star Trek: The Next Generation comes 
  a new television series... Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  


Version #3 (:30)
  It waits... at the farthest reaches of the galaxy.
  It waits... for an alien fortune hunter [Quark], and a Starfleet 
    officer [O'Brien], to face their greatest challenge.
  But most of all, it waits... for you.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.

Version #3 (:15)
  It waits... for a father and his son to fulfill their destiny.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.

Version #3 (:10)
  It waits at the edge of the final frontier.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:27:00 GMT

Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>Now, I think, becuase of Data's desire to be human, would take into
>>considerdation all the effects that emotions would have, better than Spock or
>>any Vulcan
>>could becuase of his fast processing speed.

>Now, I realize this reference is a bit old, but in "Data's Day" Data tells us
>about how he is doing evaluating the emotions of his friends.  When Keiko tells
>Data that she doesn't want to go through with the wedding, He reasons:
>(Paraphrased...off the top of my head)
>"Knowing that Chief O'Brien wishes to always do what pleases Keiko, and since
>Keiko believes this will make her happy, Chief O'Brien will no doubt be pleased
>with her decision"

>So, when he broke the news to O'Brien he said:
>"Chief, I have good news!  Keiko has made a decision designed to make her more
>happy...She has called off the wedding!"

>He himself evaluated that "I think I need to work on that program"

	Hmm, I'd disagree. I'd have to say that even though O'Brien would be
upset about her calling off the wedding, he'd still want her to do what she
thought was best, and therefore would be (in a way) happy that Keiko was
doing what was best for her. Had the wedding gone through and it REALLY
wasn't what Keiko wanted, O'Brien would have been even MORE upset with
what resulted.

					CtB
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:00:34 GMT

> Now, I realize this reference is a bit old, but in "Data's Day" Data tells us
> about how he is doing evaluating the emotions of his friends.  When Keiko
> tells Data that she doesn't want to go through with the wedding, He reasons:
> (Paraphrased...off the top of my head)
> "Knowing that Chief O'Brien wishes to always do what pleases Keiko, and since
> Keiko believes this will make her happy, Chief O'Brien will no doubt be
> pleased with her decision"
>
> So, when he broke the news to O'Brien he said:
> "Chief, I have good news!  Keiko has made a decision designed to make her
> more happy...She has called off the wedding!"
>
> He himself evaluated that "I think I need to work on that program"

Well it could be reasoned he was wrong because he used the wrong set of
postulates. He merely used that O'Brien wants to always please Keiko, but left
out that he probably wants to please himself at the same time. Then it probably
takes some ultra complex computations to weigh which factor is greater in
this situation. It would turn out pleasing himself is larger than pleasing
Keiko so O'Brien is unhappy at the news.

See...It can be done if more info was present in the assumptions.
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Startrek Lightbulb jokes...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 20:15:40 GMT


How many Ferengi does it take to change a lightbulb?
  None--Ferengi don't change lightbulbs; there's no profit in it.

How many Klingons does it take to change a lightbulb?
  None--"Klingons do NOT change lightbulbs!"

How many Borg does it take to change a lightbulb?
  One/all of them.

How long does it take Geordi LaForge to change a lightbulb?
  Several hours--he has to perform a Level 1 Diagnostic on the
  light fixture first, then take it completely off-line, and...

How many Binars (sp.) does it take to change a lightbulb?
  0100101101

How long does it take Lieutenant Commander Data to change a light
bulb?
  Several minutes--he has to cock his head, access his databanks
  and say, "Ah yes, the lightbulb.  An ancient, Terran device that
  worked on the principle of black-body incandescence, by..." and 
  then someone has to say, "That will be enough, Commander Data."
  Then Data will say, "Yes sir," and proceed to change the lightbulb.

How long does it take Commander Riker to screw in a lightbulb?
  Riker doesn't screw lightbulbs.  He screws just about everything
  else, though...

--
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From: ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger)
Subject: Re: How to improve Star Trek
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:02:46 EST

In article <1992Dec17.233822.16000@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
>I believe one great way to improve the quality of Star Trek is to
>better define the talents of the bridge crew. Only once has the 

    [Stuff deleted]

>Well what I'm trying to say is that I wish the writers would used the bridge
>crews talent at their posts to save the day instead of relying on the Wesley
>factor. They do a good job of displaying the talents of the doctor and the
>cheif engineer, they should try to do the same with the bridge crew.

I basically agree with you, but I thought I'd point out a minor detail in
"Relics" which did just that -- highlighted (albeit subtly) a bridge crew
member's ability.

*** POSSIBLE SPOILER FOR RELICS ***


It's during the sequence when the Big-E is heading out of the Dyson sphere,
and the outer doors are closing -- it's clear that the ship will have to
be turned "sideways" in order to fit through.

Right after this fact is made clear, there is one quick scene in which the
woman at the helm (the one that looks sort of like Diana Ross?) enters a few
rapid commands at the console, *without* orders from the captain.

In the very next scene, we see the ship turn smoothly and glide through to
safety. Nice touch, that.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: trrrc@rc.rit.edu (Thomas R. Ridley)
Subject: Re: Captains Yacht
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:14:15 GMT

In article <ewright.724100980@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com
(Edward V. Wright) wrote:
> 
>> In <Bz02zJ.EAn@news.ucs.mun.ca> ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Edward Reddy  MI) writes:
>> 
>> >I agree. When they make new 'alien' ships for ALMOST every other
>> >episode, a small 'Yacht' is no major financial undertaking when we look
>> >at the complexity of ships made for other episodes. 
> 
> Yes, but the yacht, when docked, is *part* of the Enterprise.  Just
> building a yacht model wouldn't be enough.  You'd have to modify the 
> Enterprise model also to show the separation.  The Enterprise is
> undoubtedly the most expensive model produced for the show, and
> modifying it would not be inexpensive.  It  might take several weeks
> for the modelmakers to do the modifications, during which time the
> Enterprise model would be unavailable for filming.  Unless the
> modifications were done between seasons, that could interfere with 
> the production schedule.  And if the mods were done between seasons,
> there wouldn't be a current script to justify it.
> 
Not necessarily, Although us techies would love to see the
separation/docking,
it wouldn't have to be done in order to show the yacht. How bout a shot
from
aft and above the Enterprise with the yacht model appear from under the
saucer section as it moves away from the ship. Then you could do close up's
of the yacht as it rendezvous with another ship or orbits planet or
whaterver is appropriate for the plot. Could also be done from the POV of
the Bridge on the Main Viewer.
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:33:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

He was the head honcho on Mars in Total Recall.
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:31:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ball State University

In article <sorensen.724542253@help.cc.iastate.edu>, sorensen@iastate.edu (Jeffrey T. Sorensen) writes:
> For some reason, I cannot think of who Ronny Cox (playing Captain Jelico)
> is?  I have not seen the CoC episode yet, obviously.  Since I am going
> back to my hometown over Christmas (no FOX station) I wont see it till
> I return in January either.
> 
> What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?

In RoboCop he was the evil guy who invented the bad robot... (vague enough?)

and in Total Recall he played the "administrator" of Mars colony...

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From: urbanas@reis54.alleg.edu (Shawn Urbanavage)
Subject: Promotions
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:15:25 GMT

I was reading the articles that spoke about finding a "Good Captain" to  
replace Picard after he leaves, and the question about Data came up.   
Someone mentioned that he is only Lt. Commander now, and needs to become  
Commander before Star Fleet will even think of offering him a command  
(although with the politics of Star Fleet being what they are, I think  
that even rising to the level of First Officer would be a stretch for  
Data).  My question is, how does a Star Fleet officer get a promotion?   
There are exams to get into the Academy, and probably routine exams to  
test area competence or something like that, but how does one receive a  
promotion?

Thanks . . .

Shawn
urbanas@alleg.edu

" . . . sometimes you're the windsheild, sometimes you're the bug . . .  
sometimes you're the Louisville slugger and sometimes you're the ball . ."                   
--  Dire Straits "The Bug"

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From: plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki)
Subject: Re: How do you start a flame war? Glad you asked ...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:11:36 GMT

>
>>>>The top ten things ways to start a flame war on rec.arts.startrek.current:
>
>>>[...]
>
>>>> 1.  Gene who?
>
>>>Shouldn't this be "Jean who?"
>
>>Check the credits dude, Gene is the correct spelling, always has been, 
>>always will be...
>
>>I hate to flame but where have you been???
>
>Think, man!  Misspelling his name would start a flame.  Like yours.
>
>Uh, oh.  It just occurred to me that *you're joking, too*.

Finally, someone has figured it out...:):)

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