HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:00:58 GMT

pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.145426.27614@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>> For what it's worth, I'd imagine that asphalt at 40 mph is probably
>> somewhat harder than wet sand at 25-30 mph. Until my low speed
>> faceplant, I used to use the low speed/close to home/slow bike argument
>> to convince myself that my open face helmet was a good substitute for my
>> full face. Now I've decided that if I'm going to bother wearing a
>> helmet, it might as well be one that will give the most protection
>> possible.

>I can't argue with your reasoning.  But I can continue rationalizing, right?

"Man is not a rational animal, man is a rationalizing animal." (I
forget who gets credit for that one.)

>On Harvey I seldom go over 40.  That means I'm usually well under 40, 
>especially at intersections (where accidents are more likely).  I most
>likely will have braked before the crash.  Combine all these factors and 
>I'm hitting the asphalt at about 10 miles per hour.

A stellar piece of rationalization. See what you think of the one that
preceeded my faceplant. Federal speed limit of 15mph (ok, so we found
that out after the fact, but it adds to the tale). Creekbed trail that
winds up a dead-end canyon. Familiar territory. The only cages are the
occasional Jeeps creeping along at 5mph. Perfect visibility. Perfect
traction, and no obstacles (it's a very wide streambed with a few inches
of water in some places, and hard, wet, smooth sand everywhere else).

So I'm perfectly safe, right? I'm in control, and there are no possible
surprises. Except that someone forgot to tell that to the pocket of
quicksand that swallowed my front wheel.

But my real gripe isn't that I ate some sand, but that the helmet didn't
do a darn thing to help. I faithfully wear the thing for years, and the
one time I needed it, I just happened to land in the one position that
renders an open face helmet completely useless.

> I don't need a motorcycle
>helmet, I can wear a bicycle helmet.  In fact, I don't need a helmet at all!

If Ilana's reading this, maybe she'd care to share her opinion of bicycle
helmets?

>Well, anyway, you're probably right and I'm probably going to continue
>in my same habits in spite of it.  

At least until your first face plant. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:34:16 GMT

In article <973@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com>, jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
> Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
> consume liquid refreshments while suited up?

I'm not the suit type and never wear a full-face helmet, but have you tried
a straw?  Duh!

- Roid
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:28:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1992Oct2.192854.23415
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1992Sep29.141351.12956@eye.com> jesse@eye.com (Jesse Lackey) writes:
}brake light/neutral indicators.  I have been thinking of mounting it somehow
}to the frame in front of the engine, above the front wheel.  But I worry about
}vibration - talk about a torture test for a pc board!  And what about rain?

Velcro is the way and the light.

I have an old waterproof watch Velcro'd to my gas tank so I can watch it
run backwards when I hit Ludicrous Speed, I have my garage door opener
Velcro'd to the trunk so I can reach back and hit it with my clutch
hand on the way up the street, and I sometimes have a tiny portable
radio Velcro'd to the tank so I can easily reach the controls while
riding. For something like a radar detector the other advantage is
that you can just rip it off and take it with you to prevent theft.

-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)				DoD #721  '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Threads that don't die [was: Re: car-to-bike jump start]
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:34:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct2.193419.4205
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <25716@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi) writes:
>(Alan E. Asper) writes:
>> (Michael Amato) writes: 
>>>In article <1992Sep30.055240.9032@elektro.cmhnet.org
>>(Charlie Smith) writes:
>>>|>(i t harvey) writes:
>>
>>Hey everybody,
>>I was responsible for the start of this thread, so now I want to thank 
>>everyone and let you get on with your lives. 
>> 
>Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.   You think you can stop this!
>
>   Old threads never die, they just get repeated over and over and over
>and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
  ======>>>>>  [  lots of really worthwhile stuff deleted!  ]
>over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
>
>	Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 2752, Annapolis, MD  21402
>	  cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2261, (h) 410-647-0990

We should all express our appreciation to Mark for his worthwhile and 
educational posting (above).  We all became educated on his belief in
the worth of this newsgroup ...

We should express out appreciation to him by emailing it directly back to
with our thoughts on the matter.  


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: ignore  -  test
From: cwoods
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:49:14 CDT

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: MSF: BRC or ERC?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.201609.16770@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
}Is the BRC too elementary for someone who's ridden a bike as long
}as I have?   Will I have missed too much if I just take the ERC?

YES!  NO!  Take the ERC. I've only been riding for six months, and
only one month of that on a real bike (i.e., not an auto trans
150cc scooter), and I was bored to tears last night (beginning of
BRC). I learned two little tweak techniques. Saturday they are
going to start us out by mounting the bike, touching the controls,
then dismounting. Then we'll remount, start the bike, and ride
the clutch as we *walk* the bike across the parking lot on the
verge of being really in 1st gear.

DON'T TAKE THE BRC WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE LEVEL!!!
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)				DoD #721  '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones)
Subject: Re: body leans & swerving (was The DoD ERC (was RSS))
Organization: Caere Corp.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:09:07 GMT

carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>Do you find it easier to coach "push to lean" during a cornering
>>exercise than during swerving?  (Where do you teach anyway?)
>
>bait?  i teach only informally.  i'm too charitable today to infer

Yeah that was bait.  I apologize as well.  :)  You obviously know riding
technique well enough to be a good mentor.

>                             in normal relaxed riding, wouldn't you
>agree that pushing (actually, i'm a "pull the opposite handlebar" type
>from a personal mental perspective, but i wouldn't teach that way) and

I am too  :)  Actually I'm a right handgrip type of guy ... push for
right and pull for left ... at least for casual riding.  :)

>leaning into the curve are so well coordinated and nearly simultaneous
>that they needn't be thought of as separate actions?

Well for normal street riding there's no need to lean your body into
the curve.  But your technique sounds very smooth and technically
sound, and probably nice to watch as well, and probably perfect for the
track or fast street riding.  (I often wish I could ride as well and as
fast as I've seen really good folks on the Sunday Morning Ride do.)  I
wouldn't teach "pull and shift your weight" in the ERC, but I've heard
other instructors mention it.

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Caere Corp.
mojo@caere.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Hippo hands
Keywords: brrrrrrrr
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:17:07 GMT

Ok all of you who live in nice climates can tune out and spare me the
snide remarks about moving someplace warm...

Anyhow now that winter is here (what? winter in October? - it was below
freezing this am) it's time to don cold weather gear. I've been wondering
about hippo-hands. How safe are they? Will they keep you attached to the
bike in a crash? How easy are they to slip into? Will they increase the
curse factor at tollbooths? How about crash worthiness of Widder electrics?
Any experience (I haven't had a chance to read the M-cyclist review yet - are
they tested?).

--
Stef            aka  spgo@is.morgan.com   DoD#0190 
'82 KZ550 (Commuter) '84 750 Interceptor (Toy) '86 Alfa GTV6 (Money drain)
                Warning: I brake for radar traps. 
        Disclaimer? I don't need no steenkin' disclaimer!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Enough bullshit!  Here's some REAL news...
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:25:20 GMT

In article <LOTTO.92Oct2142859@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
> 
> Well, I don't see Charlie on any of the lists - so I think he becomes
> the .nz Keeper of the Very Old Photos...

	[impressive ancient archival material deleted]

Except that you missed the Overseas chain.  Axel F, a couple of people
in England, Charlie...I forget exactly.  But Charlie can be the KotVOP
if nobody else wants a go at them.  

-- 
/\     It's not denial.  I'm just very selective about the reality I accept.
  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
      \______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klp@doe.carleton.ca (Ka Lun Pang)
Subject: Re: Leaning into it
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:51:05 GMT

In <1069@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:

>....
>The proper manner in which to get you bike to go around a curve is
>to look into the curve, press on the inside part of your hand on
>the side you wish to go in and then you lean. This is called
>countersteering. ....
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Gee, really?

:-)

>			Ryan M. Gill
>			labrg@unix.cc.emory.edu
>			Academic Software Consultant



--
      Ka Lun  Pang (a.k.a. Andy) - Lost between frequency and time
                      email: klp@doe.carleton.ca 
                               DoD# 0687
                       "I need a vacation"--T2
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:48:42 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:

>P.S. Does anyone eat Cereal for Breakfast besides me??

I do!  I do!  And sometimes toast, too.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:55:33 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.145426.27614@javelin.sim.es.com>,
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>> 
>>>Besides, I almost never go over 40 on Harvey (commuting and grocery runs,
>>>mostly) and Gretchen is for serious long distance faster riding when a full-
>>>face helmet is more called for.
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I'd imagine that asphalt at 40 mph is probably
>> somewhat harder than wet sand at 25-30 mph. Until my low speed
>> faceplant, I used to use the low speed/close to home/slow bike argument
>> to convince myself that my open face helmet was a good substitute for my
>> full face. Now I've decided that if I'm going to bother wearing a
>> helmet, it might as well be one that will give the most protection
>> possible.
>> -- 
>
>I can't argue with your reasoning.  But I can continue rationalizing, right?
>
>On Harvey I seldom go over 40.  That means I'm usually well under 40, 
>especially at intersections (where accidents are more likely).  I most
>likely will have braked before the crash.  Combine all these factors and 
>I'm hitting the asphalt at about 10 miles per hour.  I don't need a motorcycle
>helmet, I can wear a bicycle helmet.  In fact, I don't need a helmet at all!

Wrong.

"I most likely will have braked before the crash" What are you, fuckin
clairvoyant or sumthin? Bonehead pulls out of a parking space without
looking and you be splatted RIGHT NOW. And what makes you so sure that you
can survive a 10MPH face plant in asphalt?

Think about it this way. I can probably break your jaw with my fist (not
that I intend to, just making a point). Which is harder, my fist or the
road.

>Well, anyway, you're probably right and I'm probably going to continue
>in my same habits in spite of it.  

Likely. It's called cleaning up the gene pool.

>Now, what about the DoD riding suit?  That's easy.  *AEROSTICH*  Well, 
>that's my choice (except when I'm on Harvey).  Any dissenters?

Ahhh. So, in town, where you're most likely to get in an accident, what do
you wear (since you don't use your precious aerostich)? Cut-offs, a t-shirt
and flip-flops? Make sure you got your cool shades on too, poser.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kjberte@cray.com (Kurt Bertelsen)
Subject: Procedures for raising the dead? 
Reply-To: kjberte@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:19:11 CDT


This weekend I bought a fixer-upper bike.  Well, I really didn't pay
anything for it.  The guy gave me $25 to haul it away.  It is a 1978?
Yamaha XS650.  It has 15,00 miles on it, and (here comes the biggie)
has been sitting in a pole shed for 10+ years.  His son had the bike
for a while and then ran off to join the army and hasn't been heard 
from since.

What is the best method of reviving this beast?

Should I tear the bike doen completely and re-build it?  Or just
clean it up and run it?  

The first thin I did was pull the plugs and spray WD-40 in the 
cylinders to free it up before I try turning the engine over.  

What next?


---------------------------------------------------------------------
Kurt Bertelsen              I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod.
kjberte@cray.com            I was born in 1518 in the village of 
DoD# 0538                     Glenfinnan on the shores of Loch Shere.
86 Miniceptor               And...I am IMMORTAL.   - Highlander
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Good Gear for good prices?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:10:37 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:


>	Where can I get a new `real' bike jacket for under $300?

I have not seen a good bike jacket in the US either on the shelf or on a
pair of shoulders (doesn't mean they dont exist), I suspect because most
riders around here are too cheap to lay out serious money on the "image".

>	I'm also going to need a new rear tire for an 85 NightHawk 700.
>the current tire is a Metzler, is this going to cost me around
>$100?


I get the impression that dealers do not make much more than 20% markup on
tyres, they charge for fitting and balancing. Definitely worth paying for it
to be done properly. A badly fitted or out-of-balance tyre will wreck your
bearings in a few thousand miles. It is going to cost you $100+ and is well
worth it.
-- 
--

David Maconochie
From: joe@zx11.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: joe@zx11.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
]In article <1992Sep30.185202.9770@megatek.com>, randy@ninja.megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
]] For that matter, 0-60 for most sport-liter bikes is
]] in the 3.0 and high 2's, the ZX-11 is supposedly 2.8.
]Probably even better.  You must hit 60 in first - do you think it
]takes 3 seconds to wind it to red?  I don't, and the numbers I've seen
]agree.   

actually, I recall reading that the ZX-11 had a 2.3 0-60 time, max of 67mph
in 1st gear. I remember this only becuase I have a poster of a Vector (a
lamborghini looking thing with a 650hp aluminum twin turbo V-8) which includes
some specs across the bottom, one of which is it's 0-60 time of 2.5 seconds.
I always liked to point out to casual readers that my ZX-11's 0-60 time was
under that.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                 joe@zx11.Cactus.Org
Austin, TX                                                       92 BMW K100RS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Yamaha FZR1000 vs. Kawi ZX-10
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:12:26 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
;  What I find intriguing about the FZR is the recommended valve
;adjustment interval of 26,000 mi. or thereabouts. My 1100 geezer needs
;its rocker actuated valves adjusted about every 3,000 mi. I would assume
;from this that the FZR has a more durable valvetrain and as a result
;should go much further before its head needs to be done. Am I correct in
;this assumption? Any real world info.?

It's that ol' shim-on-the-wrong-side-of-bucket valve/cam
arrangement.  Means you get to take out the cams to adjust
the valves.  Since that's such a pain, they only make you
adjust 'em every million miles or so.  I think CBRs and
ZXs are the same way.  Oh yeah, there's also a lot of rare-
earth metals in the valve train, so I guess it is more
durable.  Or at least more expensive and gee-whiz.

---
chris (extra 5hp from U238 valve seats)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: erika@znext.uucp (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: HELP!! How did de-smogging my bike screw up my carburation????????
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:46:13 GMT


	I assume that the bike was running just fine before you started
yanking hoses and other stuff off. The same stuff that the factory spent many
hours putting on in a carefully thought out manner. 

			Why did you do this?????


 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1988 NX-650  *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
From: bade@athena2.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW K Winter Storage
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <dbc-270992134918@b62003.student.cwru.edu>, dbc@po.cwru.edu
(Dean Cookson) writes:
> From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
> Subject: Re: BMW K Winter Storage
> Date: 27 Sep 1992 17:42:01 GMT
> Organization: Case Western Reserve University
> 
> In article <869@zx11.UUCP>, steve@zx11.cactus.org (Steve Bade) wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Actually for New York,  a hefty coat of cosmoline on the engine
> 
Its that spoogy stuff that they smear all over the motors etc.. of new cages
and all over the metal parts of weapons to protect them from moisture.
It sure stinks when it gets hot......  
You really don't want to put the crap on I forgot the smiley :-)..  
For winter it would be better to just rinse the motor off once a week
to protect it...

                                        
Steve
steve@zx11.cactus.org
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: More gasohol
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:38:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <viking.717826958@vincent1.iastate.edu>, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

] 
] 	Are you kidding?  My life savings won't even buy me a new bike,
] let alone a Cobra or a Viper.  However, we can settle this in true DoD
] fashion: Calling the Keeper of the Stats!  Calling the Keeper of the Stats!
] 
] 	What's the 1/4mile time, 0-60, 0-100, and 0-60-0 times of the
] FJ1200 and the Shelby 427 Cobra?
] 
] 	I seem to recall 0-60-0 in the low 6 second range, possibly
less.


What a silly man.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD weenies
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:23:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Sep29.162355.16663
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Sep28.211936.13161@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <28SEP92132927@fnala.fnal.gov> krafft@fnala.fnal.gov writes:
>}As of today, being a newly annointed DoD member, it just goes to show:
>}
>}Us hardware Studs will always be superior to you software geeks.
>
>Well, according to most women I've talked to, the only thing sure about
>hardware types is that they're always talking about their equipment,
>their equipment never performs as well as they say it will, and they
>are convinced they'll achieve the desired result if they just make
>the equipment go faster.

That's why I learned hardware before software*.  I know the capabilities
and limitations of my equipment, and I know how to get it to perform
within tolerances, and exceeding requirements.  If you only know hardware,
or only know software, you only know half the story.




*Of course, whenever possible I work with off-the-shelf software,
 generally from Victoria's Secret.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.