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From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject: Re: "Ain't No Time to Hate" billboard in Denver
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:16:00 GMT

In article <5947@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matthew E. Brown) writes:

>Is there any address for donations, David?

But of course!

Here's the collection address for contributions to the
Denver billboard project:
  
      Deadheads Against Discrimination
      2888 Bluff Street, Suite 496
      Boulder, CO 80301
 
 
Make checks payable to Deadheads Against Discrimination, or D.A.D.
 
Any money left over will be given to one or more of the organizations
in Colorado that are fighting to prevent this dreadful measure from being
implemented (or to get it repealed or declared unconstitutional).

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Look for the Label or Tippers Trippin  NOT
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:00:06 GMT
Reply-To: GLADSTONE@csmcmvax.bitnet
Organization: The Internet

Warning. The folowing music has been associated with reckless abuse
of powerfull mind altering substances.  The authors and musicians have
been unrepentant in their devious behaviour for more than a quarter of
a century.  The transfer of this record to a minor may be a felony.
Any deviant behaviour resulting from the music or lyrics can be used
in a court of law to sue the band and producers.  The sounds contained
herein closely mimic the auditory hallucinations of an LSD addict.
Mere exposure to these sounds may cause flashbacks or an actual psychotic
episode, even in those innocent children who have never had drugs.
Allowing a child to hear them may constitute reckless endangerment of
a minor in your state.  Do not drive or operate heavy machinery for
at least 4 hours after listening.  Boycott the store that sells this trash.
The actuall lyrics could not be determined due to excessive mumbling. ;-)

        Yeah, I think the Tipster would approve of that label.

Gladstone(d)>  ;-) ;-) ;-)     How soon we forget.  :-(

I may not agree with what I say, but I will defend to your death the right
to flame me.   <- Bad Joke Attempt

May the Brotherhood of Eternal Light and Love ring forever.  ( BELL ) tm.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Special rights to deadheads?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:47:04 GMT

In article <184362@pyramid.pyramid.com> glambert@pyramid.com (George
Lambert) writes: 
  (orginial article deleted)
>
>Well, Bret, this is a somewhat specious comparison.  I face no threat of
>being denied work, housing, or expression of my more amorous tendencies
>in public because I'm a deadhead.  Gays do.  Many other groups do, also.
>
>Favorite musical groups do not invite the bigotry that sexual orientation,
>religion, or skin color invite among large sections of our very backward 
>thinking society.  If you don't realise that, you are certainly very naive.

   I don't know about that.  Did you try going to the Ontario shows.
Both Canada and the United States ripped apart my car trying to find
drugs.  Of course at a campground near the Capitol Centre I was body
searched because I ate a pixie stick.  Of course, they've been known
to trample people with horses at the Captiol Centre.  BTW did I
mention Adam Katz?  Oh, and what about the hotel that wouldn't rent to
us in Detriot even though there were a dozen cars in the lot at 2 AM?
Need I go on????

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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* With a bad reputation         * film major, when all I really      *
* That's a sign of the nation's * wanted in this life was to marry a *
* Decay"                        * lobsterman and cook fish."         *
* -Phish                        * -a letter from Christie Searing    *
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From: spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:00:27 GMT
Subject: Where: T-Shirts, San Jose Area ???
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead

One of my brothers wants g-dead T-shirts for xmas. Anybody got any suggestions
where I can find GOOD (Haynes Beefy-T, good graphics, wide selection)
T-shirts in the South San Francisco bay area? Say, San Jose or Milpitas?

Apparently there isn't a large selection in the BX at the air force base
where he is stationed....DUH...

Please email as I don't read this group. The addr in the header works.



Thanks,
Bill

(Wish I could see some of looks he is gonna get around the base with it on....)

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dudasj@rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Kisses on the soundboard
Reply-To: dudasj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:03:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.205543.4383@ptdcs2.intel.com> you write:
|> I've noticed  on a number of my soundboards a woman's voice coming 
|> on between some songs,  blowing kisses and whispering "Bobby....Bobby...
|> *kiss*kiss*kiss".
|
|
|Healy had a bunch of sampled snippets at the Greek '85 run that he
|would insert at odd intervals during the show, including the kissing
|noise, an evil Phil laugh, the "Bobby, Bobby", a "feel the music" by
|Phil, and others I can't remember right now. The *kiss* was a 
|separate sample from the Bobby-call, though.
|
|--bongo 
|

Yeah...you can also hear a "turn up the bass drum" 
several times.

Anyone notice similar things (although mainly burps)
from 6-30-85 before what I consider to be one of
the best Shakedowns I've ever heard.

Joe
dudasj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: rramstad@oracle.uucp (Robert Ramstad)
Subject: tix for Tempe for sale
Reply-To: rramstad@oracle.uucp (Robert Ramstad)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:18:49 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I've got one extra general admission ticket for each of the Tempe AZ
Compton Terrace shows, for sale at cost, $28.50 each including all the
service charges and mailing charges, ad nauseum.  I'd love to sell
them to someone from the Bay Area, face to face, though US mail would
be OK too.

Send email to me at boccibob%groovy@us.oracle.com (or, if that doesn't
seem to work, rramstad@us.oracle.com) or give me a call at home (415)
988-8625.

Later on,
Bob

PS DAT-people: I left my SCMS stripping device in Boston in a box to
be shipped here, which hasn't arrived yet :-(  When it does, I still
intend to help out with "SCMS code modification kits"...
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: rogers@world.std.com (roger j selverstone)
Subject: Re: Deadheads in the White House
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:06:03 GMT

>
>given that we knew ol Al and Tipper were BACKSTAGE at RFK, and that ol' Bill 
>probably ain't the lousy inhaler he claims to be and has been known to sport
>Dead paraphenalia, at various locations around this great nation a 
>musical tribute went off as the polls closed in California, and the press 
>finally got to utter the words they had waited all day (or all year, depending
>on your perspective) long to belt out: Clinton wins!

A friend of mine was working at the DNC in July.  He got to know one of 
Al Gores aids who turns out to be a pretty serious head with a very large 
tape collection.

Anyway my friend got himself invited to the VIP area of MSG where they have 
photos of the famous teams,fighters, bands etc. that have appeared at the 
Garden. Soon Big Al arrived to do a little schmoozing with the people.  
Supposedly he stopped in mid-conversation and made a b-line to study one of
From: eds@po.CWRU.Edu (Ethan D. Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: The music never starts, or the talking never stops
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:16:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Another good example of talking is on another of the New Years
broadcasts and a woman is talking to father Guido, and screaming
about lightning, etc... She blabs so much that they just cut
off her mike as the band begins Jack Straw and she insists that 
the band is tuning

Ethan

-- 
*****************************************************************
*  Ethan Siegel             *  "If I told you all that went down*
*  Case Western Reserve U.  * it would burn off both your ears."*
*****************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Savoye <rob@cygnus.com>
Subject: Re: Amendment 2
Reply-To: rob@cygnus.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:37:06 GMT

  What many people don't realize is that CO is a *very* conservative state. Note
that until this election, CO always voted for the republicans in big numbers.
I believe that most of the front range (Boulder, Denver, Ft. Collins) voted
against it. That however leaves most of the rest of the state to vote for #2.
The group from Colorado Springs (Major military & fundy town) is preparing
MORE things like this. Be WARNED!!! Currently there is now a lawsuit against
the admendment. Pay close attention to new laws.

  Canceling the Denver shows would mean nothing to the sick people who voted for
the admendment. They would love to make being anything but a white,middle-class,
fundalmentalist male illegal. Rather than to help them by boycotting the shows,
we should work *harder* to show the world that this is a bigotted, narrow view.
I like the billboard idea, I wish we could come up with more ways to stop the
passage of laws like this. Educate the world.

	- rob -
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Oakland Series II tickets arrive
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:35:56 GMT


received Series I tickets (#18,20,20) on Saturday.

received Series II tickets (#100,100) on Monday.

Steve

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From: gross@ssd.kodak.com (Dan Gross)
Subject: Re: Performance Contracts  (rec.music.makers.biz ?)
Keywords: Generic, fill-in-the-blanks contract...
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:53:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.221109.6401@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> wes@ian.stx.com (John S.) writes:
>
>Just wondering where you use this contract. A good portion of the bars
>around here hire bands on a verbal contract basis, and I'd think that
>after doing so for several years, they might not take to the idea of a
>contract. Do you do a lot of bar gigs, as opposed to say doing office
>parties or outdoor concerts?


	Around where we'll be playing out, it's a small-town atmosphere
(200-500 people per town, about 5000 in the County seat), and you'd figure
a handshake and a promise would be enough.  But I've been hearing stories
from local bands talking about getting ripped because they didn't get it 
in writing.  I wish it wasn't the case, but even out in the "country" it
happens.   
	I also figure it's a good way to prevent misunderstandings, 
like whether drinks are complimentary (our bar tab is HOW MUCH $$$$?????)
and how many, who's supposed to provide the PA, etc...,things that could
lead to an uncomfortable situation for both the band and the club owner.
Just $.02 from the person who asked for the contract...
	
					--Dan


-- 
Dan Gross              		716-726-7831           gross@eksignal.kodak.com
Signal Processing Dept.		"I'll always be a wordman,
Eastman Kodak EP Bldg 3, 1 fl     better than a birdman." - J. D. Morrison
Rochester NY 14653-5908         Kodak doesn't even WANT my opinion....
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.makers.bass
From: gse9k@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Shipping guitars?
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:45:52 GMT

Hi everyone...I'm wondering what people have found to be the best
way to ship a bass or a guitar in a hardshell case.  

For that matter, since the party I'm shipping it to is paying me 
for it, what's the best way to do the whole transaction?  Obviously,
the sender needs to know that the check is good, and the recipient 
needs to know that he/she will actually be *getting* something for 
their money.  Has anyone figured out a good way to do this?


scott
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:11108 rec.music.makers.guitar:373
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Peavy Amp Problem
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:16:10 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <jcgreen.722202481@vincent2.iastate.edu>, jcgreen@iastate.edu (Jon Green) writes:
> I have a Peavy Deuce guitar amp, not sure of the year, that has some problems.
> Occasionally the sound will just cut out, regardless of which channel I am
> on.  Sometimes wiggling the volume knobs will bring it back, and sometimes
> just plain hitting it will work, but not always.  The 4 tubes are brand new,
> so I don't think they are the problem.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

  Sounds like you already diagnosed the problem.  Intermittance is something
  that will usually require breaking down the brain from the cabinet.  However
  if you can get to the workings of the volume control you may be able to
  spray in some electronic parts cleaner if the pot's plates are oxidized
  or corroded. If that doesn't work remove the amp from the chassis and inspect
  all solder joints.  Freeze mist will also help to find bad connections.
From: dfarrow@spam.ua.oz (Duncan Farrow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: A little help please...
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:23:31 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

From article <BxMpw7.BF1@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v104n55k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David I Schwartz):
> In article <BxMn42.9w4@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v094lrtr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (FENWYR) writes...
>> 
>>This is a little embarassing, but here goes. I have been playing drums
>>for about 11 years, 4 of which was playing set. I dont know how to tune
>>my drum kit!!! I have a band now, and would like to sound good for the
>>other guys, and for the audience eventually. I have a Tama swingstar
>>set bought back in '88... basic type stuff. Could someone please direct
>>me to some good books on tuning and upkeep. ANY advice here would be
>>appreciated.
>> 
>>thanks in advance
>>fenwyr
>> 
> 
> There a whole bunch of simple things you can do:
> < whole lot of simple things you can do deleted>
> Hope this helps!
> 
> David I. Schwartz
> V104N55K@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

These are good and standard things to do. One or two notes from my experience
though:
 The position of any damping material on the batter is critical, in particular
the radial position. Experiment with this as well as how much. Also, ring can
be reduced by making sure that you hit the dead center of the drum. For the
technically inclined, the position of the damping material effects which 
mode of the skin vibration is damped. You want to put the damper at an 
anti-node of the mode you want to damp. Somewhere I have a table of the 
vaious modes and thier frequency etc. that I can post if people are  
interested.

Also,  I have no real idea how to tune a drum and would like a some 
reference to  look up these kinds of things. I was never taught how to
do it by my teacher and have done it entirely by guess work. The only
thing that I have picked up is that the skin under a snare should be as
tight as you dare and do not put any damping material on it.

So has anyone got a good book on how to tune a drum or a drum kit? Does it
make any sense to talk of the pitch of a drum when all the higher modes
are non-integral multiples if the base frequency? If we can tune out
kit to particular notes, will people stop making jokes about drummers 
being those that hang around musicians?

Waiting with bated breath,
Duncan.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: hillman@iastate.edu (Matthew C Hilleman)
Subject: MIDI KITI - FOR SALE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:28:24 GMT


	MIDI KITI - converts tigger inputs into MIDI. Can save different
		kit setups. Works great, never used on the road!!


			$300 + shipping or B/O


-- 
*	Matt Hilleman		hillman@iastate.edu			*
*	(515) 232-5976							*
*	2611 Luther Dr. #137	"Gimme a Coke and Taco. TO GO!!"	*
*	Ames, IA 50010							*
From: dvac@druwa.ATT.COM (Daniel Vachon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Cymbals
Keywords: low cost
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:55:20 GMT
Distribution: rec

Anyone know of a good outlet to get Cymbals at a relatively low cost?!
I buy Sabian or Zildjian for my uses, and am going to be in the market 
for a 16" and 18" crash here in about a month....  What mail order places
offer good prices on cymbals?! 

-Dan   !att!druwa!dvac
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: petrop@vccsouth25.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli)
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:16:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.154247.20884@meaddata.com> robh@meaddata.com (Rob Hoeting) writes:
>|>> By the way, as a beginner you can go a long way towards learning to
>|>> play with just a snare drum and some beginner technique books.1z It's
>|>> not as glitzy and fun as a whole set, but a damn good way to learn the
>|>>basics.
>|> 
> I agree that learning technique, rudiments, etc. are crucial to
> developing talent, but I think if all I had was a snare and a beginner
> book for the first year, I would have probably quit. I found that
> stuff boring until I learned basic set skills and could play with
> simple rock songs. It wasn't until later I gained an appreciation for
> rudiments and developing better chops. I can't say that I'm better now
> than if I would have practiced rudiments from the start.  But I CAN say
> that I at least kept with it and am still playing! 
> 

I agree.  As a beginner, it is probably better to learn some simple tunes 
beginning-to-end, just to get important things like the feel of the sticks in
your hands, and the location of various parts of yer kit.  That is just as 
essential to technique as ratamacues and paradiddle-diddles.  When I started
out, I was in a stage band which did light jazz-type stuff, etc.  It was in
Junior High School.  At the same time, I joined a Drum Corps (HIGHLY HIGHLY
HIGHLY RECCOMMENDED) - that was one of the best things I ever did.  Man, it was
a drag (no pun intended) at the time, and I quit, but I DID come away with the
26 rudiments and the Swiss variations thereof.  Granted, I wasn't incredibly 
fast or kick-ass with my rudiments THEN, but they sneak their way into my 
playing more often than I care to note.  Not the really weird ones like 
ratamacues, or the 25th rudiment, but certainly others (Paradiddle-diddles
being one of my faves).  One thing I plan to do when I graduate in a few WEEKS
(YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!) is to just woodshed it for a while, just me, the 
sticks, and a metronome, and smoke the FUCK outta the rudiments.  I also will 
work on writing them out in different ways to see how they may fit into my 
playing.  Writing is becoming very important to me.

Anyone care to mention their favorite rudiments and their applications????

Later.

Phil
petrop@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: WANTED: Oversized head for Premier drum
From: rrudin@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:46:18 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

I have an old (60s?) Premier kit with a 16 inch floor tom.  Unfortunaltely, it
takes a head slightly larger than 16", which Premier no longer makes.  I've 
spoken  to a number of dealers who say Remo used to make heads to fit it but 
has since discontinued them.  Does anyone have heads for such a drum (sigh!)?
Call me at (203) 232-8020.
 
Also, does anyone have any ideas about making such a head, either by ordering
it from some plastics firm or cutting down a 17" head?

Incidentally, I've always found 13" toms to be the worst sounding drum on any
kit.  Does anyone share my opinion, and can anyone offer an explanation for
this, aside from the obvious numerological one?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox)
Subject: Re: to autoco-ordinate or not to autoco-ordinate, that is the question.
Keywords: drums 
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:13:22 GMT

wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:

>   Thanks to some of your helpful hints, I'm planning to at least start
>with purchasing a snare drum(at least a good start) so I can do some
>practicing, cause beating sticks in air doesn't help much. 

>   However, I would like to inquire if I should also purchase a 
>hi-hat or at least a cymbal(?? you know..the cymbal on a stand.. is
>that what you call a clash?  -Yes..I'm a beginner..(wonder what gave
>you guys that idea, eh? :))       

>   Also, a point about the feet.  While tapping with the sticks on the
>wouldbe snaredrum, what should I do with them?  I've noticed that if
>I beat on an 'imaginary' snare drum, and tap my feet, my feet get
>REALLY tired.  So is this 'tiredness' just a typical reaction for a   
>beginner's feet, or am I doing something wrong?  Also, my coordination
>seems to be set; that is, when my hands start drumming, even if I
>did start tapping at a constant pace, I ALWAYS find myself either
>losing my taps(therefore tapping either faster or slower) or I lose
>my hand coordination(you know, when I start pretending that my 'sticks'
>are hitting a snare drum and a cymbal(?))..

>  From what you read above, I think it's suggestable, do you think,
>that I also learn the drumming terminology? 8) <big grin>

>  Thank you very much for any help in advance.. Much appreciated!

>  Ed..

Part of the reason you tire easily is that you don't have a big pedal
spring to send your foot back!  The other (greater) part has to do with
not having developed the muscles involved and using improper technique.
My drum teacher (years ago) had me use my whole leg for the bulk of the
motion and flex my ankle for control, and to help with double hits and
other things.  (This is when playing heel-up)  I could never get enough
volume with my heel down to have pursued that avenue...


					--Brian Cox--


-- 

					   --Brian Cox--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: craigman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Craig Anderson)
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
	
	I'm a college going marimba player who is just learning how to post to
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:01:15 GMT

Craig



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