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From: slewand@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Scott Lewand)
Subject: Motiff Compliancy Ques for 1.1
Keywords: Motiff Compliancy
Reply-To: slewand@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Scott Lewand)
Organization: Harris GISD
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:36:01 GMT

Can any one answer these?

   In the Motif 1.1 style guide are the definitions of the window layout for
motif compatable 
windows. I am concerned about the following issues being 100% Motif compliant:

1) Can the drag, resize, iconify, and enlargment regions of the window
be made inactive and the window still be motif compliant.

2) is a menu bar required in all windows and is it in a fixed location.

3) can a window created by application A be accessed and used by application B.

      Thanks in advance...please send responses to slewand@dw3f.ess.harris.com

                                      peace.... 
                                                   Scott
From: sram@lccinc.UUCP (Siddharth Ram)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: GXcopy and GXxor
Summary: controlling colors for an XOR ..
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:36:48 GMT
Organization: LCC Inc., Arlington VA

In article <MICHAEL.920724095149@maine.maine.EDU>, michael@maine.maine.edu (Michael Johnson) writes:
> In article <xia.711911424@odin> xia@molbio.ethz.ch (Xia Tai-he) writes:
> >However, the lines drawn with the second GC don't have
> >the color I have set, whose colors differ depending on the
> >objects alreay existing on the screen. Could you give
> 
> There's not really much you can do about it. When you XOR the pixels, the
> resulting pixel value is going to yield whatever color that pixel maps to.

you can do something about it, provided you are willing to
use up an overlay plane, or install you own colormap. then you
would have control over all the colorcells.

an excellent reference for this Ken Lee's article , 
  "Graphics effects by manipulating X Colormaps"
  in the X Journal, May -June 1992.

  Siddharth Ram
  uunet!hallofjustice!sram
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From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X default error handler
Keywords: error handler
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:16:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Hi,

I need to program my own X error handler, but I also want some
functionalities of the default error handler. So can anybody tell me
what's in the default handler? In other words I want a program outline
of it. Thanks a lot.

________________________________________________________________
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-2759                   Tucson, AZ 85721
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: godman@gdwest.gd.com (Dave Godman)
Subject: Single client output to multiple servers
Followup-To: godman@gdwest.gd.com
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:34:56 GMT

Does anyone know if there is a way to (in effect) connect
an X client to more than one display (server)?

The effect I am looking for is the same as if the video
were split between two monitors (for single screen displays).
Specifically, one of the servers would be used for output only.

	Thanks in advance,
	-Dave Godman
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: smc8p@mycroft.acc.Virginia.EDU (Shawn Michael Edwards Carnell)
Subject: window placement
Keywords: geometry
Reply-To: smc8p@mycroft.acc.Virginia.EDU (Shawn Michael Edwards Carnell)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:47:38 GMT

I'm using an application that creates an X window but doen't recognize
-geometry.  I want to able to specify a location for the window (i can
control size through the application) but i'm at a loss as to how to go 
about this.

One idea is that i could force the window to move when it comes up but 
i don't know how to get the information i need about the window in order
to do this.  I'm wondering if there is a way to get a window id from the
application's process id.

Any ideas or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Shawn
shawn@virginia.edu


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors)
Subject: X11R4 FONTS --- HELP HELP HELP!!!
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:47:48 GMT

Could anyone please suggest the name of a site where I can obtain a 
tarZ files containing *JUST* the fonts for X11R4?

export.lcs.mit.edu only has R5 untarred and I do not wish to ftp extransious
data in the interests of the 9600 SL/IP link the machine I'm putting them on
has. 

Thanks in advance.


   Dave Connors - D.Connors@sct.gu.edu.au     Griffith University, Australia
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X Journal
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:01:59 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

Hello folks, I've been hearing a lot about the X Journal recently and I'm
sure I saw an advert for it recently in a magazine, but I can't remember.

So how do I get hold of it in the UK. 

Please don't say, send to America, 'cos I never subscribe like that, not
even for Byte.

Regards...

Stephen Kellett
snail@lsl.co.uk
From: gad@kpc.com (Gerard Denga - Consultant)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: PEX-SI <-> DEC PHIGS
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:17:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA


	In the C binding, is there a set of functions or macros to
	allow use of functions named differently, eg: popen_phigs
	(PEX-SI) as popenphigs(DEC)? Please reply to this newsgroup.

		Thanks.
			Gerard
From: olsenc@milton.u.washington.edu (Clint Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: One teeny problem with X11R5 and SunOS 4.1.2
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:10:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Hello:

I suspected that I may have improperly applied the patches
to X11R5 (the part about applying SunGX.uu twice), so I blew away
my source tree and tried again, this time with much better
results.

One time while linking, I got an error from ld saying that
it couldn't find libXext.a in the appropriate directory.  After
I got done with "make World" I just type make again and I didn't
get any errors about that again.  I wonder if it's because make
uses fork and perhaps the shared library wasn't built in time (that
is just speculation, someone out there can fill me in on that
one).

Anyway, I can build everything except one little routine called
gram.c.  It seems that it is getting conflicting types for realloc
and malloc.  It appears to be using the header stdlib from the gcc-lib
directory.  Does anyone know how I can get around this little problem?

I'm using gcc 2.2.2 on a Sun Sparc 2.

Thanks.

-Clint
From: trw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Tim Weil)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Distribution: world
Subject: (fwd) libX11.a - X11R4 link problem
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:44:00 -0400
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
X-Version: UUout V1.3a

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: trw@unixland.natick.ma.us (Tim Weil)
Subject: libX11.a - X11R4 link problem
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:29:27 GMT

I'm trying to compile a program under X11R4 (1.0) on ESIX 5.3.2D.
In order to save on disk space, I only load the X11 libraries which
I think are necessary (in this case, libX11.a).
 
Using gcc as my compiler I get the following link error -
 
              Undefined symbols
              -----------------     
              grantpt
              unlockpt  
              ptsname               in /usr/lib/libX11.a
 
Do I need other 'X11R4' libraries installed?  Do I need the <1.1>
release of X11R4? Or what....?
 
BTW, the program is a '3-D' Mandelbrot display program - 'cpm'
and runs fine under X11R4 on my office HP 720.
and runs fine under X11R4 on our office SPARC and HP 720 machines.
 
 

Timothy.Weil@dialcom.tymnet.com 


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: tomasc@lionfish.tds.kth.se (Tomas Carlsson)
Subject: compile error - SOLUTION
Reply-To: tomasc@lionfish.tds.kth.se (Tomas Carlsson)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:08:29 GMT

Thanks to all those who helped me on this one, especially David
Hobley who gave the solution:

  ... -Bstatic ... -lm

These two flags were all it took to compile without complaints.



Thanks again (now I'm happy!)

Tomas Carlsson
From: pedz@slack.austin.ibm.com (Perry Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: draw or paint progrsm for x
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:44:22 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: IBM AWD

I have an RS/6000 so I am not sure if I have X11R4 or 5 or something
strange in between.  I'm looking for a drawing program or a paint
program.  I know about xpaint but it is a little less than I would
like plus it requires a strange library that the 6000 does not have.
I could find and get the library work but from the description of
xpaint, it doesn't sound like it is worth my time.

The idle thing it seems to me would be something that used post
script.  I have Ghostscript and all the support for that.  But I would
be happy with something that used straight X.

I have done "archie" for "draw" and "paint" but didn't find anything
definate.  There are a lot of possibilities but I would take a rather
long time if any program listed is actually something I would want.

Anyhow, I would appriciate it if someone could drop a quick note to
me.  The best place is @ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com:pedz@slack.austin.ibm.com
or another syntax is pedz%slack.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com.
If both of these fail, then you can get directly to me at
pedz@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com (which is on the internet).

Thanks
pedz
From: nmodi@klinzhai.rutgers.edu (Nirav Modi)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xview toolkit problem
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:04:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Hi
	I have written an application program using xview toolkit and
compiled it. It works perfectly on my machine. My professor tried to
run that program on other machine and it gave  following error.
--------------
XView error: Malformed or non-terminated attribute-value list
Last valid attribute was Attr pkg= 10, id=20, cardinality= 1 ...
--------------

	Can somebody help me to solve this problem?
	Thanks.
-Nirav Modi
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: rsilvers@powwow.nynexst.com (Rob Silvers)
Subject: How can I get the window id of the window that the pointer is in?
Originator: rsilvers@powwow
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:54:36 GMT


	XGetInputFocus returns the window that input is being sent to.  I need
to get the window that the pointer is in.  Is there an easy way to do this?

				Thanks,

				--Rob.
From: mikeq@seqp4.sequoia.com (Michael Quicquaro)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X11R5 and Motif Compatibility
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:11:19 GMT
Reply-To: mikeq@sequoia.com (Michael Quicquaro,)
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass

Sorry if this has been discussed already on this newsgroup,
but I would like to know if X11R5 is compatible with Motif 1.1 ?

If it is not compatible programming-wise, can I use Motif 1.1 as
a window manager while using X11R5 windows ?

Thanks for the help.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: sinan@mtesol.boeing.COM (Sinan Karasu)
Subject: Re: Poset Widget
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:39:42 GMT


> From: dcs11@cl.cam.ac.uk (D.C. Strawson)
> Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK
> Subject: Poset Widget
> I am looking for a (preferably PD) implementation of a widget to draw Posets
> (Partially Ordered Sets). Superficially what is needed is a Tree widget, such
> as the one in Douglas Young's book 'X Window Systems Programming and
> Applications' but with the added capability of being able to have multiple
> super-nodes. The real problem is stopping a large graph looking totally messy.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> Please reply by e-mail, thanks in advance...
> 
> Daniel.
> 
> Daniel Strawson		e-mail : dcs11@uk.ac.cambridge.phoenix
> 
Me too....
From: oh@danablue.dmi.min.dk (Ole Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xps in OPENWIN 3.0
Keywords: openwin3.0
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:57:03 GMT
Reply-To: oh@danablue.dmi.min.dk
Followup-To: oh@dmi.min.dk
Organization: DMI



In Openwindows2, the interface between xview and postscript/NeWS was demonstrated with a demo program, xps, which is a pageview lookalike. 
The Program could be found in the directory $OPENWINHOME/share/sun/xview/demos/xvps as xps.c and xps.cps. xps will not work under openwindows3,
but has anyone got a workaround to make it do so. 

Ole Hansen, DMI
Copenhagen , Denmark
email: oh@dmi.min.dk
phone +4531292100 ext. 340.
From: jerry@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Date: 18 Jul 92 10:09 MDT
Subject: "Minimum size" attachments/constrai
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul17.230904.1@hmcvax.clarem:1528302570:001:745
Nf-From: hmcvax.claremont.edu!jerry    Jul 18 10:09:00 1992


I would like to create a dialog box which is the minimum size necessary
to contain the widgets inside of it.  Because different displays have
different resolutions, this minimum size is dependent upon several factors:
the font used and the display used come to mind.

I have been trying to create an attached dialog box (DECwindows) that
will size itself.  I cannot.  I have attached all of the widgets to
each other (in font units and in other versions in pixel units).  I
have attached the widgets to their container.  Still, if I don't give
the outermost dialog box a height and a width, I get only a very very
small dialog box.

Can anyone offer a suggestion?

				Thanks,


				Jerry Bakin
				jerry@hmcvax.claremont.edu
				(818) 594-5040

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: sxd@hela.iti.org (Shantanu Dhar)
Subject: Need idraw sparc executable...
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:47:30 GMT

I need idraw EXECUTABLE (not source) for my Sun Sparcstation
running R4.  If there is a well known site I can ftp off,
please let me know.  I shall be grateful.

If some kind soul is willing to tar, compress, uuencode, and email
it to me (whole or chunks), I shall be even more grateful.

Also, if there is essential documentation to accompany, please don't
forget to include it.

thanks in advance,
(more thanks to follow)
-- Shantanu


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From: dcs11@cl.cam.ac.uk (D.C. Strawson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Poset Widget
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: dcs11@cl.cam.ac.uk (D.C. Strawson)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK


I am looking for a (preferably PD) implementation of a widget to draw Posets
(Partially Ordered Sets). Superficially what is needed is a Tree widget, such
as the one in Douglas Young's book 'X Window Systems Programming and
Applications' but with the added capability of being able to have multiple
super-nodes. The real problem is stopping a large graph looking totally messy.

Can anyone help?

Please reply by e-mail, thanks in advance...

Daniel.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: da188@city.ac.UK
Subject: Re: Wanted - digital clock
Reply-To: da188@city.ac.uk
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:31:48 GMT

>Does anyone know of a simple X digital clock?
>I used to have a thing called dclock that i think came with X11R4 but i've
>changed jobs and lost it.

Yup, there is dclock. Xclock, which comes with the standard X distribution
also has a -digital command line switch too. Im not so sure about oclock
tho'

Aj.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: Re: 24-Bit Video for SPARC
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:47:45 GMT

montjoy@thor.ece.uc.edu (Robert Montjoy) writes:
>We are looking for a 24-Bit Sbus Video Card for a Sparc IPX. This 
>card should work with the SUN monitor. This card can only take up
>2 Sbus slots(preferably 1).  The price should be in the $ 3000
>range.

The only one I know of that is one slot is the VITec RasterFLEX.

>	Manu		Card Name
>			
>	RasterOps 	Sparc TC Card

Two slots, won't do 8 & 24 bit simultaneously, slow in 24-bit mode.  I dunno
the price, I think it's around $4k.

>	VITec 		RasterFLEX 32

One slot, does 8 and 24 bit simultaneously, reasonably fast when working in
24-bit.  It's around $4k also.  The only reason we haven't tossed the 
dozen or so RasterOps boards we have is that there is full SunVIEW (yeah, I
know, I know) support for them, but there is only 8-bit SunVIEW support for 
the VITec.

>RasterOps will not work with the current SUN Monitors. They say
>the only support 66-HZ monitors. The new SUN monitors are 76-HZ.

Is this true?  I think the cg12 from Sun is 76Hz vertical refresh and will
only work with a monitor that is able to sync to the slightly higher rate,
but I'm pretty sure we've got a couple of those monitors here working on
RasterOps boards just fine.  So maybe the Sun monitor will sync to the lower
rate.  There is a high-resolution model of the RasterFlex 32 (1280x1024,
perhaps higher vertical refresh also) which probably requires a special
monitor.

-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: xrn6-8
Date: 31 Jul 1992 15:17:28 GMT
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy

In article <1992Jul31.091918.2757@bristol.ac.uk>, ccnjb@bristol.ac.uk (Nick
Bruton) writes:
|> I am trying to compile xrn6-8 on a sun sparc all seems to go ok until
|> the very
|> last line where I get the error:
|> ld: Undefined Symbol
|>     _XawTextSetLastPos
|> 
|> Can anyone give me a fix??

Easy: get xrn6-17! Available on your friendly X11 FTP server near you.

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From: felix@AHPCRC.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Date: 18 Jul 92 02:33 MDT
Subject: Wcl 2.02 problem with "wcAfterChild
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul17.223349.590@news2.cis.u:1116882549:001:1250
Nf-From: AHPCRC.umn.edu!felix    Jul 18 02:33:00 1992


I'm running into trouble periodically with the use of the Wcl 2.0 resource
"wcAfterChildren".

For example, I am creating a widget tree that includes the OSF/Motif MainMenu
widget with a menubar. I want to set the menubar's "menuHelpWidget" to put a
help button on the far right side. The Wcl lines are:

*menuBar.wcConstructor:		XmCreateMenuBar
*menuBar.wcPopups:		fileMenu,editMenu,utilMenu
*menuBar.wcChildren:		file,edit,util,help
*menuBar.wcAfterChildren:	WcSetValue(this.menuHelpWidget:this.help)

Every once in a while, the wcAfterChildren line does not seem to work and
the help button does not show up on the far right side. It gets aligned
next to the other buttons. (Its not because the width of the menubar is
smaller.)

I am using Wcl 2.02, X11R4, Motif 1.1 on an SGI running Irix 4.x.

Am I alone with this problem?

-- 

Paul
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From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Date: 18 Jul 92 17:22 MDT
Subject: Re: Kills from Window Manager
Nf-ID: #N:1992Jul18.132220.18254@thunder.m:1258324643:001:645
Nf-From: thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!mouse    Jul 18 17:22:00 1992


In article <1460adINN77b@early-bird.think.com>, barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:

> "Send Delete" is presumably bound to f.delete, which invokes the
> WM_DELETE_WINDOW protocol.  Well-behaved applications should
> implement this protocol; see the ICCCM for details.

If an application would simply exit when asked to delete its window,
and it has no requirement for user interaction during its cleanup
operations, if any, I see no reason why it should bother participating
in WM_DELETE_WINDOW.  (I suspect this is a fairly large class of
applications.)  Do you see any such reason?

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: xia@molbio.ethz.ch (Xia Tai-he)
Subject: GXcopy and GXxor
Keywords: GXcopy and GXxor
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:10:24 GMT

I have created a GC with function GXcopy and another GC with GXxor for
drawing rubber-band lines,
I also set the foreground colors for the two GCs. When I 
draw lines with the first GC, I get the correct color.
However, the lines drawn with the second GC don't have
the color I have set, whose colors differ depending on the
objects alreay existing on the screen. Could you give
me a suggestion to get rid of it?

Thanks in advance!

PS: I am very grateful to those people who have given me the hints
about my last post concerning the Motif group. However, there is no
comp.windows.x.motif in my acess, but there are some others 
such as comp.window.x.intrinsic and pex. 



Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr)
Subject: One program - two displays - two cursors
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:11:41 GMT


How can one program be displayed on the screens of two networked
machines at the same time with two cursors active? Both cursors
independently operated; one by one user and one by the other?
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,alt.sources
From: harry@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Harry Langenbacher)
Subject: Re: XPaint 2.0 Beta 2 Release Information
Organization: JPL Pasadena CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:18:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.043710.11803@cs.ucla.edu> william@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (William Cheng) writes:
>In article <l76c4kINNa20@spim.mips.com> koblas@mips.com (David Koblas) writes:
>
>When I try to compile this on a SPARC running SunOS 4.1.1 with version
>2.2.2 of gcc, I get the following error messages when compiling Options.c:

I'm on a SPARC running SunOS 4.1.1 with version 2.1 of gcc. I used:
CFLAGS = -pipe -O2 -finline-functions -fomit-frame-pointer 
CC=gcc

and it worked fine.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x