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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 15:35:25 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

The fax/modem (still not installed) is 2400/9600.  Not state of the art but 
for 131.00 not bad.  The modem alone would costs 109.00.  I plan to just use 
the fax part since I already have a 9600 ATI vbis 42 modem.  Rough going but 
it gives me a fax at my desk and eliminates the need to stand in line at the 
stand alone fax machines.  Got to go


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From: Paul.Winters@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Winters)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: What's this for?
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:44:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

TB{Is it to exchange ideas on how best to ensure "computer literacy"
TB{in the general population through educational programs? Or in
TB{schools specifically?

   It's a K12 conference.  Let's stick mainly to schools.  However, many
   of us are probably being pressured by our school systems to begin
   implementing evening community training programs.  Still, it DOES say
   K12Net...


TB{Is it to be a channel for providing solutions to problems, where
TB{the computer literate contributors help to provide solutions to
TB{problems posed by newcomers?

   Maybe a little, but in my experience this kind of help can generally be
   had fairly reliably on local BBSs.  Maybe if the question has interest
   to a broad user base???


TB{Is it a sand-pit, where people can come and play, in order to
TB{simply achieve computer literacy by electronic messaging?

   A little of that, too, but K12TeacherChat or National Educator work
   just as well for practice.  We certainly do want to encourage new
   users, though!

TB{So before I get all overcome with the awesome powers vested
TB{in me and lay down the law in dictatorial fashion (just joking!)
TB{please let me know your thoughts.

   Good luck as moderator.  This seems to be a fairly stable conference
   without so much traffic as to be impossible to cover every day.
 * OLX 2.2 * A phelbotomist's work is all in vein
  ORIGIN-New Albany H/S Eagle's Echo BBS(New Albany, Ohio)



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From: Andrew.Lawson@f40.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Lawson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: msgs here lately?
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 00:03:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/40 - NZMC Gate 1, Auckland

FO>Hmm, now this is totally new to me... so is rugby big in NZ?
Rugby is huge in NZ, as is rugby league, a similar game. Soccer is also
popular, although not as popular. In 1987 we were World Champions at
rugby, but soccer doesn't compare so well for us. We've also been world
champs at softball as well (like baseball, but underarm and amateur :-)
Irish rugby is really only played in Ireland, although I would imagine a
few people play it here, a few people even play gridion.

FO>How is tourism there?  I guess the distance kind of makes it less
FO>likely -- but is the climate such that people would opt for it as
FO>a vacation place?
Sheep and dairy products are our number one revenue producers, and then
I think its tourism. Although we are a long way away, we get a lot of
tourists, particularly Japanese and Europeans. NZ is promoted on a green
image, little pollution (Aucklands the largest city, and we never get
any real smog), and lots of interesting sights. We also have great
fishing waters all around us. The climate is nice, ranging from about 8
to 28 degrees celsius, sorry dont know what that is in Farenheight, but
we have a fairly high humidity which makes the cold a lot colder than
what the temperature reads, and the hot a lot hotter.

FO>forefront in such manners... actually ideally, computers should
FO>eventually become a tool and not a subject... but certainly a
FO>present entity in the school setting...
I agree with you here. Teaching everyone how to program is a complete
waste of time, teaching them how to use a wordprocessor is great though.
One of the schools, a private school, has set itself up with laptops for
all its students in a certain year, as a trial, and I've heard its going
well, but that is not yet feasable for most schools.

FO>By the way, what are BBC's?  I've heard of the Amiga (a Commodore
FO>product) but am unfamiliar with the term BBC.

A BBC is another of those computers that came out at the time of
Commodore 64's. They were very popular for schools here at the time. I
think they're British. Another British computer that was popular here
was the Amstrad, have you heard of that?

See ya :-)
___
 X SLMR 2.1a X 


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From: James.Aitchison@p4.f85.n134.z1.fidonet.org (James Aitchison)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Education Project
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 00:30:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/85.4 - Western Canada DATA, Stavely Alta

Hi Becky.....

04 Nov 92, Becky Ferreira writes to All Zaney People:

 BF> Hello! Can anybody hear me? Knock Knock, I'm trapped in the computer.
 BF> Elroy, Karen, and Holly are working on a Computer Education Project at
 BF> school.  We go to Sarasota High School and we need a good grade in our
 BF> Business Software Applications class.  Please send us a response
 BF> immediately, so we know that BBS works.

Ah yes, the elusive A... Good Luck, and I hope you can escape from inside the computer.  Would that make you a chip off the old block?

 BF>  + Origin: THE BACK DOOR * EDUCATION ON THE SUNCOAST * FLA (1:137/25.0)

How are things in sunny Florida?

Chow for now ....

James.....


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From: Ted.Kyte@f85.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Ted Kyte)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: .MOD SPECS/standards
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:20:22 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/85 - Western Canada DATA, Stavely Alta

Hi Andrew....

A quote from your previous message:

 AW>         I happen to catch a message you left to another 
 AW>  fellow about the file, "GIFSTD.ARJ" or so I think it 
 AW> was spelt. But its suppose to be a text file that tells 
 AW> how a GIF file is set up, structure and data lay out 
 AW> etc..
 AW> So my question is, seeing that you were able to find a 
 AW> spec on GIF'S , can you find a simular file on .MOD 
 AW> sound files???  A fellow TI'er has set up a program 
 AW> that plays .VOC sound files but now needs the info on 
 AW> .MOD files.

Sorry, I did a major search in this area and came up with nothing for you.

Ted



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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Watch it :-)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:32:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Shawn,

SD>use and know the Macintosh computer system quite well and the basics of
SD>quite a lot of the software availible for the machine.  I also know a
SD>little on the horid IBM-Compatibles.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Watch it....   :-)

Wars can be started with comments like that. Besides, you left out an r!

ooroo


 * SLMR 2.1a * Coral Sea Views, Wulguru, Townsville, Australia


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From: Terry.Bowden@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Bowden)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Look Who's Talking
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 09:42:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

No, John,
First I ran the stats program to determine the usage,
then I entered the results of the stats program. I couldn't
do it the other way round!
But a cunning scheme, I must admit . . .
 > Here is a list of how many people said how much in here recently:
 > Top marks to John Feltham and Steve Larsen!

 JF> Do I sense a conspiracy here Terry? :-)

 JF> Writing msgs like yours in this echo, will assist you 
 JF> in claiming the 'Most Verbose' user in this echo.  :-)


Keep up your welcome input.   :-)   Terry


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From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: **Important Announcement!
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:30:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY



            ********** IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT **********

            The K12net Council of Coordinators appoints

                            Steve Larson
                            at 1:3402/10

          as the North American (Zone 1) Moderator of the
            K12net Computer Literacy echo (K12_COMP_LIT)

           *********************************************

The primary responsibility of a K12net moderator is to maintain an
ongoing editorial and managerial presence to focus the activities in
this echo to meet the curricular needs of the K12net community.

Steve will be co-moderating this echo with Terry Bowden of New
Zealand (Zone 3).

Congratulations, Steve!

=jack= Crawford
K12net Echo Moderator Coordinator


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From: Leo.Fedoriw@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Leo Fedoriw)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:24:40 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton Alta

6
We also have Amiga Computers (16), and utilize them for animation, video, multimedia etc.  Our school is in the process of purchasing an Electronic Encyclopedia but I am not aware of one that will offer printer capabilities on the Amiga. Do you know of one?  Our alternative is to go to the Mac or IBM computer for this feature.




 # GateOrigin: 89:701/202.0@imex


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From: Jim.Specht@f32.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Specht)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: spreadsheet users
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:38:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/32 - On-Line Mutual Fund, Portland OR

* In a message originally to All, Mike Opdahl said:
 > MOFrom: mopdahl@sendit.NoDak.edu (Mike Opdahl)
 > MODate: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 21:14:57 GMT
 > MOOrganization: SEND-IT Conferencing System, North Dakota
 > MOMessage-ID: <1992Oct28.211457.20107@sendit.nodak.edu>
 > MONewsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy


 > MODear Educator:

 > MOI am looking for interested teachers willing to share their
 > MOhome-
 > MOmade spreadsheets and database classroom assignments.

 > MOAny teacher who sends me any of their assignments used in
 > MOtheir 
 > MOcurriculum will receive an equal number of copies of my
 > MOhome-made
 > MOassignments--unless you indicate otherwise.

 > MOMy students are using Microsoft Works on an IBM LAN system.

 > MOThank you and have a nice school year.

 > MOMike Opdahl
 > MOBox 769
 > MOLarimore, ND  58251
 > MO701-343-2366
 > MOprep hour:  9:40 a.m.
 > MO.
 > MO345/6 500/1 712/628
 Hi Mike,
I don't remember reading what your subject area was.  I used to do a 
DCE
class for Portland State called Problem-Solving with Spreadsheets. 
Two
of my favorite assignments were a Pi approximation and an 
amortization
exercise.
In Pi, the students would use the algorithm Pi/4 is approximated by
1-1/3+1/5-1/7+1/9....  As the terms are extended, the value (x4)
approaches Pi.  It's kind of neat when you have a graphing utility 
with
the ss because you can watch the value oscillate closer and closer to
the actual 3.14159.
In the amortization exercise, the students select a car ad from the 
paper and figure out how much their payments would be on the ss if 
they wanted to pay it off in 60 months.  It take awhile to guess and 
check, and a lot of them are surprised when they add the cost of all 
the payements and compare it to the cash value of the purchase.
If these sound like math problems, but that's because I'm a 
middle-school math teacher.
- Jim Specht/ West Linn, Oregon

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From: Tahuna.Normal.Intermediate@p3.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Tahuna Normal Intermediate)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: IIGS PROBLEM
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 13:03:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505.3 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 > I'm having a problem with my classroom IIGS. When I
 > have something like PrintShop on the menu the
 > highlighted menu bar moves up and down by itself as if
 > someone were hitting the arrow key. I would appreciate
 > getting any help with this.

You probally have your joystick toggle on which causes it to fly around to rectify this take it off joystick ( ctrl J in print shop)
From Mark Longman


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: What's this for?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:03:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <09 Nov 92  11:52:00> to <Terry Bowden> about <What's this for?>,
Mark Hallock wrote:

 MH> Why not make it an area for teachers to discuss working
 MH> together.  I have been looking for another class to work together with
 MH> mine on projects or experiments, or whatever.  Maybe there is someone
 MH> out there looking for a class to work with as well.  If not joint
 MH> projects, teaching methods.  

Hi, Mark!

Most projects take place in one of the 12 project echoes.  This makes it
easier to exchange mail in such instances since you don't have to have to
filter through non-related messages.

You can arrange to use one of the echo areas by leaving a message to Helen
Sternheim in the Projects Echo or Channel 0 in the projects area or, I
suppose, even in the Teacher Chat area.

If you're looking for a cooperating teacher for some sort of combined
activity, a good place to leave a message indicating your needs would be
the teacher chat area AND any message areas related specifically to the
project you have in mind.  If, for example, you wanted to organize some
sort of science-related project, it would be wise to leave a message in
the K12 Science Area as well.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Steve Larson
Zone 1 Computer Literacy Moderator


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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: GETTING TO KNOW US.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:58:47 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

How many floppy drives in you LC? My guess is one drive.  I tried to connect 
two (second one is external) but was told I could not.  How do like the LC?


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From: Tom.Winn@f10.n3401.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Winn)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: spreadsheet users
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 06:30:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3401/10 - The HOLE in the WAL, Mount Vernon WA

 MH> We are also using a program called LabQuest. LabQuest is made for
 MH> both IBM and Apple.

 MH>  If anyone would like  more  details, drop a line

Mark, I'm interested in finding out more.  I teach K-8 comuters in an
Apple IIe lab, and next year may have a Mac lab.  Can you let me know
which platform it runs on, and how I might obtain it?  I assume this would
be good for teaching spreadsheets and conservation of electricity as well.
Is it appropriate for grades 5-7?  Thanks! ...Tom, La Conner, WA, USA

 * Freddie 1.2 * So why CAN'T we have the best education system in the world?



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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Spreadsheets
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:40:32 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia


Name of Student..


SPREAD SHEET ASSIGNMENT

DATE DUE: 16th September, 1988.

You have a problem!

You are an engineer who works for a company which manufactures concrete pipes of various widths, and thicknesses, but always of 1 metre in length.

The company wants you to produce a table, for their receptionist, which lists the different widths, thicknesses and weights.

The following formulae are required for your calculations:

        *       Volume = Pi R^2 - Pi r^2
        *       Where pi = 3.14
        *       Weight = Vol X 0.378 tonnes

The external diameter of the pipes (R) will range from 1.3m up to 2.8m,in steps of 0.3m. The thickness of the pipe wall will vary from 0.2m up to 0.5m in steps of 0.05m.

Draw up a table which the receptionist can use when people phone in their orders, such that, the receptionist can inform the client what the total weight of their order is.

A sample table might look something like this......

         ---------------------------------------
         |EXTERNAL| THICKNESS| VOLUME | WEIGHT |
         |DIAMETER|  (METRES)|  (cm3) | tonnes |
         |--------------------------------------
         |        |    0.20  |        |       |
         |        |    0.25  |        |       |
         |   1.3  |    0.30  |        |       |
         |        |    0.35  |        |       |
         |        |    0.40  |        |       |
         |        |    0.45  |        |       |
         |        |    0.50  |        |       |
         ---------------------------------------
ETC...............


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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:00:18 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB


 >      I have so many games in this area and That I can't keep track 
 > of them all. I spend If lucky an hour a day on the computer. We have 
 > about 10-20 cd's but only 4 players at school. They are all Ibm. 
 > There is only about 3 mac's in use in our H.S. School System. There 
 > is about 75+ ibm's at our school and 5 commodore Amiga's. 

What are some of the CD titles?  Are the Amiga's used for music or art? 
There are a few Amiga's around here but I have not used one yet.  There is 
some support them on a local BBS.  I may get a chance to try out Science 
Adventure!  That is as soon as I find some one to buy it for 
me.W3P_r1y_/Y_foL3  I have also been loaned a fax/modem to try out.  Now to 
find the time....


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From: Ian.Howard@f16.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Ian Howard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Linkway from IBM
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:26:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/16 - Teenage Retreat (23, Littleborough

Hi John!

On Sunday November 08 1992, John Feltham wrote a message to Ian Howard:

 JF> If you know what Hypercard is for the Mac, then Linkway is the nearest
 JF> thing to that. You can have something like a full set of OHTs all
 JF> inter-related. You could set up a full lesson on the computer, even
 JF> make an .exe file out of it. I hope to write a review for this echo
 JF> about it.

I am familiar with Hypercard but definately not experienced with it.  Linkway does sound good though will it run under Windows/DOS/OS/2 or some other mixture of operating system or what ??

 JF> I have been using Deskview recently, but I have decided to go with the
 JF> herd, so I have just installed Windows 3.1. I'm on the learning curve
 JF> now!

Yes, Desqview/X is a bit of a dark horse.  I read a lot of specifications and sales hype about it yet I am still unsure whether it has been released yet or not !! :-)

 JF> can even look you up in the nodelist, but 99% of our users don't know
 JF> what a zone is, never mind a node number :-)

Sorry!  I will change my GoldED origin bits so that it now reads as it does below.

 JF> ooroo

ooooorrroooo to you to :-)
-- Ian.


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From: Paul.Winters@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Winters)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Look Who's Talking
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:38:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH


TB{Total messages        = 100
TB{Total participants    = 45
TB{Average msgs/person   = 2

   Interesting stats.  Thanks.  Our school BBS has its first "birthday"
   tomorrow, so I ran some stats on IT today.  It's amazing how these
   things add up! <g>

   The school BBS had 26,000 logins, (we run it on the building LAN) and
   our 250 or so students left nearly 10,500 messages!  I couldn't believe
   it!  (Fortunately, about 80% of the messages are PRIVATE, so I didn't
   have to read them all <g>.)
 * OLX 2.2 * Murphy is out there ... waiting ...
  ORIGIN-New Albany H/S Eagle's Echo BBS(New Albany, Ohio)



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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Welcome
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 14:13:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <06 Nov 92  13:13:16> to <Steve Larson> about <Welcome>,
John Feltham wrote:

 JF> Congratulations on your promotion to the dizzy heights. You may make
 JF> your own interpretation of the word 'dizzy'.. 

Thenkyew.

Dizzy?  Moi?  How about a variation on the theme?  Such as:

Blessed are they who run around in circles, for they shall be known
as "Big Wheels."  ;-)

I trust we can look forward to your continued support and enlightening
comments in this area, John?  BTW, I liked your spreadsheet exercise with
the concrete pipes.  I intend to use it when I get into MS-Works with my
Computing 10 students.

With regard to spreadsheets, the biggest problem I encounter with my
students is that many of them are weak in the simple math skills needed to
construct simple formulas.  These weaker students seem to have difficulty
with the concept.  They can understand the process (and the how the formula
works) when it is explained to them, but when asked to utilize these
concepts in constructing their OWN formula with regard to a problem, they
are often stymied.

I can understand their confusion, I suppose, as I was a TERRIBLE math
student in high school.  Perhaps the problem is with ME?  I am considering
the use of a math teacher in this unit for a couple of classes.
Now, all I have to do is to find a math teacher in our school who will give
up a little time to help me with this.  :-)

Regards,
Steve

... Another good night not to sleep in a eucalyptus tree.

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From: John.Adams@f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (John Adams)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:01:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155 - SECAP BBS, Clayton Vic

Dear Kevin,

Great to here from you & I am hoping to get a 9600/9600 fax modem shortly. I am hoping to but an internal one. One of our manufactures called netcomm sells an external one but it is worth $1400-00 Australian. The PC User Group in Melbourne were selling them for $1050-00 but that is still to expansive for my liking for a modem. Kevin have you ever used Superbase 4 on the IBM.

Bye for now


John Adams


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