From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: paranoia and relevanc
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:01:05 GMT

In <1992Sep3.899.10610@dosgate> someone who signs as "Lubi"(?) but is using 
the account of mike.vanier@canrem.com (mike vanier) writes:

>... Despite intense
>efforts by Greece and Bulgaria to eliminate the identity of the
>Macedonians, in the parts of Macedonian which they now occupy,
                                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>the Macedonian language and culture are alive and well thank you.
The "peaceful", tiny "Republic of Macedonia" which looks for
independence, but on the other hand its policy remains exactly the
same as during the communist regime... 


>...  Furthermore, the Macedonians are not
>begging Greece or anyone else for permission to call themselves by their
>historic name; Macedonians.  
A ha! Welcome the descendants of Alexander the Great! Since the name
Macedonians has been used well before 1000 BC, could you tell me
please if there is any relation between ancient Macedonians and today's people
living around the region of Skopie? In history books, ancient Macedonians
are presented as Greeks and all the inscriptions found from this period
are written in ancient Greek using the Greek alphabet. On the other hand,
people living today around the region of Skopie are of Slaving origin.
Are these statements wrong or is there anything else that I don't know?


>It was Greece, via Mitsotakis via his
>minister, that "proposed", the name Slavo-Macedonia...
Right. A name that was rejected by Gligorov's government. Since
the same government decided to use the symbol of the kingdom of Ancient
Macedonia (the Vergina star) on its flag, I understand that this government
believes that people of this republic have roots that trace back to the 
ancient Macedonians. Again the same question:
Which is the historical basis of the allegation that there is a continuity
between ancient Macedonians and today's people living around the region
of Skopie?


>for that part of
>Macedonia which is liberated and Greek-Macedonian for that part which is
>occupied by Greece. 
~~~~~~~~~~
Skopie's illusions to their full extent! This doesn't deserve a serious
answer, there is a very characteristic incident that happened several
years before the collapse of Yugoslavia.
A Greek professor from the University of Thessaloniki went to Skopie to give
a speech at the local university. He talked in Greek (obviously there was
a translation) and when he finished 
his speech, a student there asked him :
Stud: Why you didn't talk to us in your mother tongue?
Prof(with surprise) : Which is my mother tongue?
Stud: Macedonian of course... [!!!!!!!]

Make up your minds guys! For several reasons you have been taught a
history that has nothing to do with the reality. Whatever you believe,
at least open your eyes and try to read some other books apart from
the ones that exist in Skopie...


>You Greeks use the Roman term "Greece", not Macedonia, to describe your
>state.  Internally you call it Ellada.   Make up your minds.
>Are you Greece, Ellada or Macedonia?  Unless you are a state of
>schizophrenics, I suggest you pick one name and stick with it.
The same suggestion as above... Try to read several books and you'll
understand what happens. Regarding your allegation for a state
of schizophrenics try to find it somewhere else...
[Hint : You can start from the author of the recent article 
"Macedonia: History and Reality"]


--rizos