From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:31:23 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Jul23.175429.11674@brtph560.bnr.ca>, kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920) writes:
> Rape is rape is rape.  It is an absolute.  To fantasize about rape is always
> the prelude to the act.  

Quite true, as rape fantasies are the second most common fantasies ejoyed by
both men AND women. (If you want, I will e-mail you the studies. They
have been posted here, and discussed quite a bit.)

				Do you actually believe that men (or women) who
> commit rape do not fantasize about it first.  If so then you're stupid.  And
> as far as the "medical experts" opinion goes, *SO WHAT*!  It doesn't change
> the fact that rapists are non-human pieces of sewer scum and should be executed
> publically.  

I don't know if they should be executed. We were recently discussing one male
who spent six years in jail before his accuser came forward and admitted she
made up the entire story to make her boyfriend jealous.

Should he, the convicted man, have been executed?

		It doesn't change the fact that anyone who fantasizes about rape
> is a potential rapist and should get help before it's too late.

Well, there are not enough psychiatrists to treat all of the people who
fantasize about rape. In all of the studies and surveys done, it IS the second
favorite fantasy. 

The people who should get help are those who can not seperate the fantasy from
a desire to do so.  

								"Medical
> expert" with regard to the human psyche is an oxymoron anyway.  How can a
> person be an expert on something nobody fully understands ????

You want us to listen to your opinions. They at least do impartial studying of
the subject.
  
								And as for
> nobody condoning rape I concede that you are technically right.  I mean I don't
> remember anything like: "Hey I think rape is fine.  Let's all go out and
> force someone to have sex with us!"  But I have seen people suggest that
> viewing rape scenes on film is just peachy!  

Just as peachy as watching a movie with killing or arson or fist-fighting. 

						And others who view rapists as
> poor little innocent people who are just deeply disturbed.  Gimme a break!

Current estimates are that between 40% and 80% of all rapists are sexually 
abused children. Like your S.O. I agree that we should lock them up. A crime
is a crime. However, the reason some of us want to understand WHY they do it is
to stop it from happening in the future.

> 
> I neglected to mention people who fantasize about being raped.  All I can say
> here is that I feel confident that if such a person could add to that fantasy
> the physical, emotional, and spiritual trauma suffered by a true rape victim,
> the 'fun' would go out of the experience pretty quick.

Sure. Tht is why the fantasy remains pleasurable. It does not hold all of the
negative impact. A person who can enjoy fanatsizing about being a rape victim
is one that can seperate fantasy from reality.

Although, there are rape victims who fantasized about being raped before they
were raped in reality, and continue with the fantasy after the incident. 

> 
> Got anymore comments bright boy (girl) ?

Yep. You just read them. Although, I must ask, do you want to have a rational
discourse on the subject, with some interplay of thoughts and information,
or do you just want to spout off your ideas and to hell with opposing opinions
and information? If you just want to spout off, no problem. I suppose this as 
good a place as any.

If you want to exchange ideas, that means you have to be willing to listen.

Whatever you want.
 

DC