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From: cabr53@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("R.A.McPheat")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:58:39 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <Bzq4uz.51E@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>vogelm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Michael Vogel) writes:
>
>>Who knows any abolished or rare weight and measures which are applied in 
>>special professional branches only, such as in mining, farming, navigation, 
>>etc.?
>
>Off the top of my head, the only one I can think of is fathoms which I believe
>is still used. Their might be others in specialised industries like diamond
>sales.
>
The furlong is still used in horse racing but I'm not sure how long it is.

>>How is liquor sold in pubs?
>
>In pints and gills still.
>
This is due to change soon to millilitre for spirits but beer etc will
still be sold in pints.

Robert McPheat.
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Where are the DNS reports?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 01:32:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Organisation: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Does anyone know when the guy that does the DNS news 
reports will resume this valuble service?

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney)
Subject: Re: British Flags and Chritmas Wishes
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:05:44 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]


  So, to the tune of that ever-
:> 	popular Christmas carol:
:> 
:> 		The people's flag is deepest red,
:>		It's shrouded oft their martyr dead,
:> 		etc...
:>

>	What does this tell you about Spanish fascists (red and black?)
 
:> 	Alec

>Richard

It wasn't the Spanish fascists who had a red & black flag, but the
Spanish Anarchists of the FAI/CNT. The flag was red and black diagonally.
The original Anarchist flag was black, but assumed a red bit after
after anarchism began to find influence among European industrial
workers. I believe the black flag was adopted again by the anarchists
of Nestor Makhno's peasant army in the Ukraine after the Russian
Revolution.

The Spanish fascist flag was, I think, a yellow rag of some sort,
although the various fascist elements -- Carlists, &c. -- probably
had their own individual banners.
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Green cards etc
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:29:58 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <9212212041.AA04861@caster.suneng> chapmand@chdasic.sps.mot.com (David Chapman) writes:
>Hello,
>It is advisable to carry your Green card/visa/passport whenever you are
>travelling within the US but near a border.

There was a story on NPR a while back about a British journalist
who was in Texas researching a story about the INS, he was at
some INS facility talking to the staff there. Somewhere along
the line, someone demands to see his papers: he left them back
at the hotel, big fuss while he more or less detained until
these papers can be retreived ..

If and when the US slips into a fascist dictatorship, they will
certainly have plenty of trained personnel ready to administer
martial law ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:36:43 GMT

Well, based on experience adapting the other way:

You are most likely to get into trouble when reacting to a sudden, 
unexpected event.  It can be as simple as finding yourself heading
in the wrong direction, or missing a turning.  While you're concentrating
on sorting this out, your instincts take over and you wind up on the wrong
side of the road.

Therefore: Drive Defensively.  If the unexpected happens, stop and THINK!

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||Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com)|Eastman Kodak Co. Rochester, NY  |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:26:15 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Dec20.090341.27515@netcom.com>, ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest
Adams) says:
[stuff deleted]
>That's about it. The only other thing is that you'll have to get used
>to shifting with your left hand. You'll bark your knuckles on the door
>two or three times before you get it right -- this is called "negative
>reinforcement." The pedals are the same as in the U.S.
Actually, I found when I drove at home recently, that I had more problems
with the rear view mirror being in the wrong place than with the gear stick
being on the wrong side.

I never noticed this problem before, so I'm not really sure why it was so
much more noticable this time.
>
>-- Ernest
Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: An ENGLISH monarch??
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:52:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <20190.2b36e74c@ul.ie> mckeonj@ul.ie writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.190547.6641@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.160900.7906@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>>Of course, if we accept the principle of patriarchy, then the next
>>>King of England will be Greek...
>>>
>> But the Greek monarchy was itself German. "Phil the Greek" may
>> make a good joke, but I don't think the Greek monarchy was ever
>> anything more than a job creation scheme for spare
>> descendants of Queen Victoria. I'm not sure if it ever had any
>> real Hellenic gene content.
>History seems to tell us that the Boss is always a foreigner, e.g.
>Moses, Egyptian
>Jesus, Nazarene
>Al Eskandar, Macedonian
>Julius Caesar, (not sure)
>Bonaparte, Corsican
>Hitler, Austrian
>Victoria, German
>Nicholas, German
>Peron, French
>Obregon, Irish
>I am sure that true students of history can come up with
>a much better list; my history started in 1066 (Norman Invasion)
>and ended in 1951 (GCE O level).
>In fact, the list of native Bosses might be shorter!

It might be. Consider the case of the 19th century Spanish military
strongman, General Leopoldo O'Donnell. Or, for that matter, the case
of Robespierre who was of Irish ancestry.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: More silly songs.
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:12:41 GMT

In article <Bzpt0J.Ip6@newcastle.ac.uk> Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor Kirby) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec14.172705.4413@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>>I really hoped I was going to be able to resist this.  Yes, I know, so
>>did you.
>>
>>	We three Kings of Orient are
>>	One in a taxi, one in a car
>>	One on a scooter, tooting his hooter,
>>	Following Ringo Starr.
>>
>
How about:

       We three kings of Orient are
       smoking on a rubber cigar.
       It was loaded and it exploded
       and that's how they saw the star.

Or, this one good for all seasons of the year:

       Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of my Pop.
       He was speeding down the highway being followed by a cop.
       One hand was on the throttle and the other on a bottle
       of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer.

Merry Whatever you Celebrate,

Barbara Vaughan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.travel
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: British Rail Schedules
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:56:59 GMT

rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
: If there is someway for me to access British Rail schedules via guest
: telnet, gopher, et cetera, I would appreciate being told how.  Likewise for
: British Air.
: 
	What you want is not so much schedules as estimates.  . .
Cue for remniscence. A couple of years ago I asked the Chef de Gare on the
station at Taza in eastern Morocco, how long the train would take to get
to Tangier, only a few hundred km away. Nine hours, he told me. This would
be a bit late, so I asked him if he thought it would be on time. Of course
it would be. Now that we have the new timetables, our trains are always on
time. The new schedules are "plus realistes" [it was on time too, and a
great journey, BTW].

Re yr question. ASk your local travel agent for Thomas Cook's European
timetable/ British ABC Rail guide, For airlines, even the crummiest travel
agent MUST have the ABC World Airways guide.

Richard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle)
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner and Berlin brick walls
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:11:10 GMT

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.121813.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.025806.28341@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>>> snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Well here the brit war pensioner again who has been made more welcome here in
>>>>berlin the last 14 years whan i was most of my life in britain and 25 other
>>>>coutries! Just tellin you how incredibaly BIZARE I find lawrences mails!
>>> 
>>> Does DSY have a student?
>>> -- 
>>> David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
>>> Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
>>> All|berall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!  Ewig... ewig... ewig...
>>
>>What does any of the above mean?  Does ayone know?  'Does DSY have a student'?
>>Does he mean does DESY laboratory have students?  The answer is yes, but I wasn't
>>one of them - I was there working for University of California as my student
>>days are long over.  R.J.Bartle - the British pensioner with the oddly german-sounding
>>name is trying, I think, to tell us that he's been living in berlin for 14 years
>>and is more at home there than in 26 other countries (I have added in Britain).
>>Could it be that R.J.Bartle is not a Turk, Chinese, Vietnamese, Israeli, Indian,
>>or black?  Could it be that R.J.Bartle is not a jew, a muslim, a hindu, buddhist
>>etc?  Could it be that R.J.Bartle's abyssmal English is mirrored by his eloquence
>>in German and that he is barely distinguishable as an Auslander?
>>
>>Merry Christmas to most of those on usenet, and peace and good will to most of
>>personkind.
>>
>>regards Laurence


>Laurence old bean, he wasn't referring to you or DESY.  If you go on
>like this, folk may take you for a paranoiac.  Not that everyone ISN'T
>against you, but it isn't a good idea to behave like one regardless.

>Oddly German-sounding name?  Hmm, have to think about that one.
I: Ron J. Bartle who's great great grandpa was Bartle-Freyere the Britt Gov.
Gen. of African Terr under Queenie Vic does happen to be the orig
ex red as they come D1960414 SAC Bartle R. J. chased all over the dofahr
mountains in the raf and out of the medical exit of the Royal air Farce!
 and if u think bartle is a german origin name it may just be a tini weenie
bit to do with the familiy having sent its oldest son 400 years ago fromthe
black forest to do the wood trading bit with Henery the VIII in Plymouth!

so there phone me on 010.49.30.6863546 and i tell you about the desert schield
connection - have ur barclay card number ready!


-- 
******************************************************************************
* Ron J. Bartle,                                                             *
* Onckenstr. 19.,       (Incoming Tourist Services-Bln.)                     *
* D-W-1000 Berlin 44.   - snuffy@netmbx.de  or snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de   *
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:17973 soc.culture.celtic:8397
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,uk.politics
Subject: Re: A moral dilemma (was Re: UK unemployment figures)
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:51:34 GMT
Organization: The denial of error
Originator: geraint@clts1.comlab

david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) wrote (first quoting me):
(  |> ...
 ) |> should I now feel sorry for those people who in similar circumstances
(  |> came to a different conclusion?
 ) 
(  No you shouldn't,

Now, that's funny.  Because the Government seems to think I should.  That in
itself is almosty enough to settle my mind on the subject.  More worryingly, 
almost everyone else seems to think I should...

 ) I don't think Morna Findlay should either.  I don't think you were being 
(  asked that.  However the idea that the south (London) is a land completely
 ) populated by greedy Tory voters ... is absurd.  Labelling all Southerners
(  as rich Tory neo-colonialists is as offensive as ...

Now concentrate!  I didn't do that.  I didn't /even/ quote anyone else doing
that.  The message about the moral dilemma in which I find myself only asked
whether I should feel sorry for people who were less - er - cautious than me
with their money.  I did not even call them irresponsible.                 g
___
And a merry Christmas to you too mate.
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner and Berlin brick walls
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:03:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec21.121813.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.025806.28341@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>> snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle) writes:
>>>
>>>Well here the brit war pensioner again who has been made more welcome here in
>>>berlin the last 14 years whan i was most of my life in britain and 25 other
>>>coutries! Just tellin you how incredibaly BIZARE I find lawrences mails!
>> 
>> Does DSY have a student?
>> -- 
>> David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
>> Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
>> All|berall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!  Ewig... ewig... ewig...
>
>What does any of the above mean?  Does ayone know?  'Does DSY have a student'?
>Does he mean does DESY laboratory have students?  The answer is yes, but I wasn't
>one of them - I was there working for University of California as my student
>days are long over.  R.J.Bartle - the British pensioner with the oddly german-sounding
>name is trying, I think, to tell us that he's been living in berlin for 14 years
>and is more at home there than in 26 other countries (I have added in Britain).
>Could it be that R.J.Bartle is not a Turk, Chinese, Vietnamese, Israeli, Indian,
>or black?  Could it be that R.J.Bartle is not a jew, a muslim, a hindu, buddhist
>etc?  Could it be that R.J.Bartle's abyssmal English is mirrored by his eloquence
>in German and that he is barely distinguishable as an Auslander?
>
>Merry Christmas to most of those on usenet, and peace and good will to most of
>personkind.
>
>regards Laurence


Laurence old bean, he wasn't referring to you or DESY.  If you go on
like this, folk may take you for a paranoiac.  Not that everyone ISN'T
against you, but it isn't a good idea to behave like one regardless.

Oddly German-sounding name?  Hmm, have to think about that one.
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Solution to the Candidates of the Republic of Great Britiain
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:18:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Dave Shariff Yadallee sez:
>sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>
>- In article <N59BwB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>- >
>- >- In article <Xuk9VB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab
>- >- > Sorry, that should be Britain.
>- >- >
>- >- > Put anyone who wants to be GB President in front of a firing squad and i
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Does this mean that you're cutting N. Ireland loose?  Might as well
dream big if you're going to dream, I suppose.

>- >- > person survives without medical attention, let them stand.
>- >- >
>- >
>- >Mr Wilcox, would you please step up as a candidate for the British Presidenc
>- >
>-
>- Whoa, kids.  Democracy is not for amateurs - and the above exchange
>- shows why it shouldn't be attempted at home without proper parental
>- supervision.
>-
>-
>  Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sue darling. what's your next trick?
>

Dave sweetie, if you keep on cackling like that we'll start lining
up for the eggs.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Recent Scandals or THE GOV.'S GOOD AT SOMETHING
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:42:49 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <BzM20u.61r@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
> These are the press scandals in recent months concerning the governemt
> which I can remember, I'm sure there are more.
> 
> mellorgate - toe sucking :-)
> ERM-gate   - government forced out of ERM after repeatedly saying no.
> iraqgate - gov. seemed willing to let innocent go to jail to avoid
>                 ministers being embarassed.
> lamontgate I- the sex therapist - fees for the eviction of from the state.
> lamontgate II- the Wine Strikes Back - Did he or didn't he .
> lamontgate III- the sex therapist - fees for the eviction of from private
>                                    donation.
> gummergate - the pond
To which we must now add:
Coalgate: The minister with the minty-fresh smile acted illegally in shutting
down the pits. (He's blaming it on British Coal.)

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: bob@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Bob Collinge 525-B126)
Subject: English Tea Kettle
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:03:41 GMT

I am interested in locating a store (preferably U.S. West Coast) which sells
English style electric tea kettles (115 volts), i.e the kind currently in
vogue in England - tall cylindrical, not the older, shiny metal exterior
type, which resemble ones you heat up on a stove.  If anyone is familiar
with a store or a distributor in the U.S. or Canada that deals with such
kettles, I would appreciate hearing from you.


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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: British Flags and Chritmas Wishes
Date: 26 Dec 1992 02:26:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec25.235802.23057@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>
>
>Aiyaa, as we say here. I wasn't trying to imply anything very much. The
>original article in this thread was a jokey progression from Jolly Roger >
>Jolie Rouge > Propety is theft (Proudhon?) > the Red flag. The second
                                         ^Correct.
                             

>posting (mine) SHOULD have progressed Jolie Rouge > choice of red and
>black flags > a sideglance at the wicked colonel Q (just what we all need
>at Xmas) > choice of anarchists and fascists (only the anarchists got left
>out). So then I had to explain myself, and then it got into a right
>rigmarole. The whole thing was a bit of playing around with colour
>imagery/ words. Nothing more. I wasn't being SERIOUS. It's saturnalia
>time, the rebirth of the undefeated sun, whatever.
>
>BTW - wrong group I know - but you would happen to have the obscene
>version of "Cara al Sol" would you?
>
I'd like to see it also.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Any one from Hull University?
From: Phantom <X29KB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 19:07:05 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

     Hi there !
         I'm looking for a friend called Jason Humphreys.He's from
     Bolton(Lancashire)currently studying Electrical Engineering at
     the University of Hull.We completed our A-Levels together,he left
     for Hull and came to New York.
     I would greatly appreciate any body who knows him,or from the same
     place to track him down for me.Thank you!!!
     You may correspond at the above #.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: British Flags and Chritmas Wishes
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:10:48 GMT

patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
: 
:   So, to the tune of that ever-
: :> 	popular Christmas carol:
: :> 
: :> 		The people's flag is deepest red,
: :>		It's shrouded oft their martyr dead,
: :> 		etc...
: :>
: 
: >	What does this tell you about Spanish fascists (red and black?)
:  
: :> 	Alec
: 
: >Richard
: 
: It wasn't the Spanish fascists who had a red & black flag, but the
: Spanish Anarchists of the FAI/CNT. The flag was red and black diagonally.
: The original Anarchist flag was black, but assumed a red bit after
: after anarchism began to find influence among European industrial
: workers. I believe the black flag was adopted again by the anarchists
: of Nestor Makhno's peasant army in the Ukraine after the Russian
: Revolution.
: 
: The Spanish fascist flag was, I think, a yellow rag of some sort,
: although the various fascist elements -- Carlists, &c. -- probably
: had their own individual banners.

	AH now there you're partly wrong and partly right. To be sure the
CNT-FAI used red and black (but they are probably better categorised as
anarchosyndicalists. )BUT if you you to Spain NOW, Fuerza Nueva (Blas
Pinar's mob, who've been around since the mid 70s, and are a. extremely
unpleasant and b. as close to being fascist as to dfie any other
definition) use red and black as their colours. WHat I meant to type was
ANarchists and Fascists. Sorry. But isn't it interesting how they both use
those colours. ANd have you ever felt the desire to  buy Fuerza Nueva's
magazine, nad have you ever bought one regardless of your desire because
one of their sellers wanted you to buy one . . . The colours are etched on
my mind.

Richard

PS. Falange shirts were, of course blue. Such a fetching shade.