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From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas -- 214-436-3281
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:11:13 GMT

In article <72992@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Wayne Hughes writes:
>>  Actually, for very specific reasons, I would not *dare* wear
>>  a cologne.  I've never worn a cologne.
>>
>>  How does the absence of one strike people?  Just boring?  Or
>>  do natural odors (er, fragrances) come through even over a
>>  daily bathing routine?
>
>One would hope so.  It's quite delightful.  Not to mention that
>a day's worth of sweat is *far* tastier than that horrid aluminum
>crap that's in antiperspirant, or the ingredients in any
>deodorant or perfume/cologne.
 
You are *so* *right* re: antiperspirant.  I get really irritated when
I wanna park my tongue in a 'pit and it feels like I just stuck it
in the Mohave Desert. The taste of aluminimum stuff totally ruins the
moment.  If someone has a *really* *acrid* *odor*, a fresh scrubbing
or a touch of cologne will do.


-- 
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Skip.Chapen@launchpad.unc.edu (Skip Chapen)
Subject: Re: Glendale
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Blue Bakery Press
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:26:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.171613.22010@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.162139.19231@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>And, after all, aside from having Dinah Shore sing
>>in a sleepy, narcotized voice about Glendale as "Glendale Federal',
>>and being the place where Joan Crawford escaped /from/ in "Mildred
>>Pierce", it really doesn't have a lot to say for itself, or to be proud of.
>
>Doesn't it have the largest Armenian community outside of Yerevan?  Yum.
>

Hey, don't cast aspersions on Glendale.  When I was 14 I played in the
Glendale Youth Band, my first marching band.  That's when I first discovered
how great a trumpet player's butt can look in those tight uniforms...

Skip, hearing Semper Fi in long ago Rose parades....
internet: Skip.Chapen@lambada.oit.unc.edu or chapen@bnr.ca
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:52:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73223@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan12.184905.26236@spdcc.com>

Joseph Francis writes:
[Much deleted]
>If you aren't curious about what I write, then why read it?

Generally speaking, I don't.  I see your name in the header,
and I skip the article.  If Portal had killfiles, you and
Arne would probably be in mine.

 
() Any party which takes credit for the rain must not be
() surprised if its opponents blame it for the draught.
()      -- Dwight Morrow
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:42:57 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1993Jan7.165619.3712@nic.csu.net> hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu writes:
>I don't spend a lot of time around people who date Asians exclusively,
>so I'm not really bothered by the idea. Most of the people I've
>dated or had sex with tend to have very flexible tastes, race-wise.
>(Or maybe I'm just not "nice" enough to attract the traditional
>rice queen :-))

It's funny.

When I went out with Steve, people called me "rice queen" and decided I'd
be interested in every Asian guy around.

Now, friends are calling me a chicken hawk.

*Sigh*
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 20:22:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1i7tsdINN65@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan4.025343.5786@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1iap29INNk6c@mizar.usc.edu>

Arne Adolphson writes:
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> Personal decoration goes back much further than that, I'm  
>> sure, and in all cultures. 
>
>I wonder what Todd thinks of tattoos and the ritualistic
>mutilation of earlobes.

I don't know, but at least tattoos and piercings:
    a) don't take up precious counter space
    b) don't threaten to asphyxiate those nearby
    c) are paid for once -- not a constant financial drain

 
() Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought.
()      -- Henri Bergson
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:51:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.172613.15254@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> 
> >I have one friend who does this.  Since I've always loved
> >him wildly and would marry him on the spot, I'm prepared to
> >forgive him anything, even his tacky cologne.  

I pity you poor sods who aren't lucky enough to work in a county so wise,
so progressive, so consciousness-raised that it's head is in the clouds,
as Marin County, which officially passed legislation to make itself a
fragrance-free zone.

Actually, I DID think it was another piece of California froo-froo
airheadedness until I had the misfortune to sit next to someone on the
bus who was wearing so much perfume that I feared for my life from
spontaneous combustion. Toxic-shock syndrome, anyone?




--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: zw{i,a}cky matters
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:39:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.183414.25084@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> kay@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Kay Dekker) writes:

>In article <C0JnFw.1qK@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>I'm amazed at the things I learn on the net.  Most of all that "th"
>>spelled backwards is "th."
>
>Ah, you're still sore at be cos I nitted you about bout "media ... is",
>aren't you?

Oh, I'm just teasing you, sweet thing. :-)  I figured it out.

But more to the point, what's with the new email address?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOW hotel and travel arrangements
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:20:47 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <C0Mn66.GtD@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs) writes:
>One of the official travel agents was quoted as saying that a
>fare war is just not going to happen in advance of the March, so
>holding off on ticket purchases could leave travels with no way
>of getting here.
>
According to my travel agent, even if the fares do drop you can
usually rebook and just be out $25... sounds like a good deal to me.
Of course it takes an agent and/or computer system which will flag the
drop and make immediate changes.

I also echo the praise of the metro... it is by far the best thing to
use while in DC.  The only problems that I ever had was having to go
through Delos instead of Washington National (Delos is way the hell
out of the city).  Once established near DuPont Circle and equipped
with my trusty walking tennies, I had the most fun getting around and
really valued the time waiting for the bus/train (it was great time to
talk to friends... or even read up on the next events).  And, you
can't beat the cost!  Believe me, if you go to NYC, DC, Chicago, and
especially SF, a car is something that you don't want or need.


-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Baaahr Manners in Bahwston
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:48:09 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1993Jan7.174425.385@athena.mit.edu> tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:
Besides, the cost of owning a car in Boston is so high that
>it would cut too dearly into our clothing allowance.

Huh?

My insurance doubled when I moved from Boston to San Francisco...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:22:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.115702.459@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>
>Camille Paglia and others have written about Dworkin's wranting, and
>they are not men.  Granted, they are not MOTSS people either. 

Query? Camille Paglia is very out as a bisexual.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas -- 214-436-3281
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:42:58 GMT

My faves:

Egoiste (tabac & leather... yum)
Acqua di Selva (no... not Aqua Velva, dear) Smells like lemony pepper!
Bowling Green
Quorum
New West 
Tuscany
Armani

I know I'm a little heavy on the citrus and incense-types... but hey,
it blends with that "Italian" scent I seem to give off about 3 hours
after a shower.
-- 
Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240
marco@sdf.lonestar.org
loveyameanit.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: What to do about homophobes?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan2.085209.28602@Princeton.EDU>
	<1993Jan2.134545.15286@macc.wisc.edu>
	<1993Jan5.210406.9347@cs.brown.edu>
	<1993Jan9.030524.6033@macc.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:27:59 GMT

(This one had to roll around for a while...)

Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu), writing about educating 
homophobes of all stripes, says:

   What is wrong (*something* fundamental surely *is* wrong)
   with society that we would have *any need at all* for the
   means you mention?  Is not the problem precisely that the
   majority society is so lacking in ethical values (family or
   otherwise) that there can exist such a pervasive and
   irresistible oppression?  It isn't just sexual or other
   minorities who struggle under the boot of this oppression.
   It's the entire universe.  There is something basically,
   fundamentally, and enduringly wrong with this society.  It's
   as though humans (alone of all things) had some *really* bad
   genes.

One fundamentally lacking ethical value is honesty.  I just don't see
how a social structure based on lying can end up being anything but
oppressive to someone.  A meaningful mapping between words and reality
can be an effective buffer to the abuse of power.  A better way to put
that is that lack of such a mapping is an invitation to abuse of
power.

Look at the fuss regarding _Heather_Has_Two_Mommies_ and
_Daddy's_Roommate_:  the bulk of people reading this know that there
are gay parents, some in child rearing relationships, others as single
parents.  It seems unlikely that those folks, as a group, are any
better or worse as parents of children than any other group of parents
identified by something that has nothing to do with child rearing.
For all their talk about parents' rights and values, those opposed to
such a curriculum change oppose honesty about reality.  Their whole
power structure depends on their ability to control disinformation.

Maybe it is genetic.  Maybe there was a time and space where such a
trait had survival value.  I really doubt that it does so now.

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: Southern Etiquette
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:00:18 GMT

In article <726662842snx@drummond.demon.co.uk> john@drummond.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <C0Jx50.904@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>
>> In the more genteel parts of the world, gravy is what Jeff described:
>> you _start_ with a rue, add milk and/or cream, simmer until thickened,
>> then serve on breads or meats.
>
>Aha!  All is revealed.  In fact, it's just white sauce.
>You eat it with cauliflower.  School dinner food.

Sauce veloute.  Add a little grated cheese and you have sauce mornay.
For cauliflower, I recommend using swiss cheese and a little freshly
grated nutmeg.  There. You knew there was a way to make cheese sauce
without melting Velveeta.

--Frank
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:48:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.115702.459@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> 
> Manhating is certainly present in
> film, and it doesn't hit raw nerves. I think Sharon Stone in "Basic
> Instinct" was, well, appreciated. 

Does anybody remember a movie called "Deadlier Than the Male"? It was
a movie about female secret agents, done in the Matt Helm style. Sixties
schlock. I remember it only for one particular reason: there was
a scene where the women captured a hunk, tied him down to a table, and
tortured him by holding lighted cigarettes against his chest. I found
it very arousing (I think I was 9 or 10 at the time I saw it).


--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: penis size: an apology
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:23:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0EDzp.J2E
Organization: Open Communications Forum

Er, um, I know I said that I was just going to let this thing die, but
I really feel that I owe Jess and Steve and Jeff a public apology.  Since
this thing calmed down I took the opportunity to reread what they had 
been saying and I came to realize that they had actually been trying, in a 
supportive way, to help me overcome my hypersensitivity over this subject.  
Being supportive doesn't necessarily equate to telling someone things they 
want to hear; and I didn't want to hear what they were saying at all, which 
was that the only person who was making a big deal out of all this was me.  
And they were right.

So anyway, even though I just committed the electronic equivalent of dropping 
my trousers in the middle of a cocktail party, I feel more than ever a
part of this group.  Friends help each other through difficult times,
and you on soc.motss have (once again) helped me to overcome some old
childhood hurts and learn something about myself in the process.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, both publicly and
privately.

Maybe it takes a highly visible mistake like this before you can come to 
associate the disembodied voice on the other end of the ether with a highly 
fallable human being hunched over a keyboard.  I don't know.
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k+(+)s-e++ | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Rings (was Re: Wedding bands)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan13.092835.508@otago.ac.nz>
	<1993Jan12.232318.25841@psych.toronto.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:46:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.232318.25841@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:

   >This reminds me of the (local?) trend of gays wearing a ring on their 'pinky'
   >finger. Is/was this pretty much universal?

   Gwarsh, I know a lot o' engineers 'round these here parts that would be
   mighty P.O.ed to hear that there assumption.  Not least of all my darlin'
   sister's hubby...

I'm confused.  Don't these engineers know how to take a compliment?

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:06:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan12.065600.11151@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.203959.4544@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>>Chili in Houston is reddish-brown, but in El Paso it is green.

Actually, there is both red and green.  It is also a question of being
the chili peppers themselves (stewed, diced, or otherwise) or being 
the chili that's chock full of ground beef, beans, and chili peppers...
>
>And in Cincinatti it is spaghetti.
chili is spaghetti?  I think I missed something...
But if chili is spaghetti, i think I'm glad...
(although green chili mixed into a tomatoe sauce for spaget.. is wonderfull)
Flapjack

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:45:46 GMT


In article <9301071929.AA07748@lynx.corp.frame.com>, jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:

|> Indeed, it isn't a happy feeling you get when someone looks at you (or gropes
|> at you) and says, "Mmm, big dick.  I hope you're a bottom."

Are you serious?  I've heard the first sentence, but
*never* in combination with the second.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:49:52 GMT


I sent out about 20 letters, and I got 2 replies: One from keystone Resorts, and
the other from the Colorado Tourism Board.  Both letters insited that all 
people would be treated fairly and that there would be no reason not to
visit their fine state  (cough). ...need I comment any further.

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Minds Change *or* How to Mislead With Numbers
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:53:35 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <1993Jan3.201304.3597@athena.mit.edu> tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:

>(1)  This is very much the EXACT same reaction the Arizona had
>	to the boycott of that state.  Surprise, surprise,
>	they changed their minds.
>	     ^^^^^^^
>(2)  Hunger is a great motivator.

Check the sources of the poll.  Polls always show exactly what the
"researcher" wants to show.  If the poll shows the opposite of what
they want people to see, they don't publish it.

Believe me, the boycott is working.  Let's all keep it up!

Tom
-- 
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Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:15:31 GMT

In article <18300@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>Isn't wearing patchouli oil in a hot sweaty warehouse party a 
>hate crime 
>:-)

Reminds me of a great "Farley" comic strip.  Everyone is standing around as a
time capsule from the summer of love is being opened 20 years later.  The
final frame has the entire crowd fleeing the scene, screaming madly,
"PATCHOULI!!"

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

The evening was a huge success, in spite of someone fainting from
time to time.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: The Meat, Rather Than the Motion (was Re: Please, Guys)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 04:11:17 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.153239.328@news.ysu.edu>
doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:

>John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:

>>2.17" in circumference? This has to be wrong.

One would think!

>I dropped Jim (jrd@frame.com) a note on this.  I think in
>e-mail we concluded that it should probably be 3.17" rather
>than 2.17".

That's a pretty skinny dick you're talking about, barely
over 1" thick, 3.14" being the circumference of a 1"
cylinder.  That ain't much.  Pshaw!

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:12:47 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>(Which reminds me
>that my sister wants to know whether there is any tradition among
>gay men to wear a wedding band on the right hand; I said I didn't
>know of any such but that I'd ask.)

I've heard of it but it's not universally followed.  IMO, wearing
a wedding band on the left hand has the advantage that, when some
clueless personage asks about my wife, I can gently correct the
pronoun in talking about my hubby and come out to them at the
same time.  It is the single easiest way I've found to bring the
subject up.

I think it's about as meaningful as whether the earring is on the
left or right.  However, handkerchiefs in back pockets and cock rings 
on leather jackets are a different story... 

I know some people would say that wearing it on the left hand is
being closety, but the surprised facial expressions I get are just too
delightful for me to resist.  BTW I've also worn a band on the right
hand in recent years, a gift on our sixth anniversary, so I'm covered
either way.

Of course, I have trouble telling left from right even on a good day
as a legacy of a misguided elementary school teacher's attempt to force 
me to use my right hand instead of my left.
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c+(+)g+k+(+)s-e++ | Collars and blindfolds and
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)         | bullwhips that sting, these are
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)      | a few of my favorite things