From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 09:11:33 GMT
Organization: Quake Public Access

In article <1992Sep24.134747.13873@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:

>Yes, let's look at Mr. Quayle's criticism. Here we have a spoiled rich kid

What makes you lefties think that being rich is such a crime?  I think that
Quayle is an idiot too, but being from a wealthy family is nothing to
criticize him for.  Unfortunately, this seems to be your number one strike
against him.

>from Indiana with barely enough intellect to walk and chew bubble gum at the
>same time... 

True enough, but this is basically an ad hominem argument, just like the above.
Try again.

>A man who hasn't a clue what real American families are going
>through right now, 

How do you know this?  Does it follow from the fact that his family was rich?
Do you not think that he can read economic reports?  Do you not think he's 
smart enough to watch TV?  Tell me, how do YOU know what "American families
are going through right now"?  Among other things, they are suffering from
high taxes and business regulation.  Are you interested in doing anything
about that?  Of course not!

>telling us his conception of a family. 

Look, all he said was that it's better to have two parents at home than not.
Do you disagree with that?  If you think that his little comment is an
unacceptable intrusion into the private lives of American families, how do
you feel about the taxes the government imposes on those families?  Is not
reaching into someone's wallet a bit more intrusive than making a comment in
a speech?

>I've got news for
>our vice president....alot of families are working harder, spending less time
>together, and are losing their ability to survive due to the policies of his
>party. 

Indeed, his party should be doing more to stop the tax-and-spend policies of
the Democrats and turn the rest of those worker's paychecks back over to them.
I gather that you think that higher taxes and more business regulation are
the way to allow families to work less hard, make more money, and spend more
time together.  That kind of logic escapes me.

>It's real easy to sit imperiously and pontificate in his position.

Apparently he's not the only one! ;-)

>He has never had a parent walk away from the family, he has never had to tell
>his kids that there won't be any food on the table, he has never had to go to
>a homeless shelter, he has never had to give his kids up to foster care because
>he couldn't support them, he has never had to tell his kids that he couldn't
>afford to send them to college, he has never stood in an unemployment line,
>he has never had to live in a car, he has never watched any of his
>kids gunned down in the street, .... These are things I have seen in my
>volunteer work everyday.

Do you seriously think that he has never heard of these things?  I know 
Quayle is not too bright, but he's not a vegetable.  Do you think that
one must live through all of these things in order to understand them?
Do you seriously disagree with Quayle that all other things being equal,
2-parent families are better than single parent families?  Would you also say
that Dan would be out of place to say "AIDS is a terrible disease." since he
has never personally had AIDS and because he is a rich Republican?

Gimme a break.

>This is the reality for many American families. Most of these parents love
>their kids just as much as he loves his. 

When did he say otherwise?  All he said was that Hollywood was being bad for
portraying single parenthood as being equally good a choice as 2-parent
families.  He said nothing about how much single parents love their kids.

>They make sacrifices for their
>children everyday that would boggle his puny mind. Until he gets off his
>high-horse and talks to REAL families and helps REAL families to prosper,
>all his talk is just so much hypocritical clap-trap.

It appears that he has not cornered the claptrap market yet.

--Brian

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