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From: jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: roulette
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:37:03 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
> 
> Everything you say is exactly correct and quite a lot like
> what's in the FAQ for this group and has been known since
> two days after the roulette wheel was invented.

The only place you may get an advantage is at a place called "Rick's",
in Casablanca.  But you have to be desperate and need money for a passage
to Lisbon to escape those evil Nazi's...  Hollywood isn't it great!

What was the number he bet on anyway?  20-something I think.
Trivial pursuit players need only respond.

James.
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Is 4-of-a-kind a Pat Hand?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:16:31 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfalfa.intel.com

In article <dbarber.721163737@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>Is 4-of-a-kind considered a pat hand in draw poker?
>(If there were any replies to my previous post on this question,
>they were lost by my machine -- sorry.)

Of course not, in that it's beatable by all of the straight-flushes
that don't need the card you have four of, nor the other card you hold.

				--Blair
				  "It's more of a Francis hand."
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: 3 card monte
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:46:13 GMT
Organization: RIT Research Corp

In article <92316.175840JAC150@psuvm.psu.edu> <JAC150@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I am seeking more information on this fantastic money getter. 

Well, I had a friend who promoted this "game", and he nearly got himself
killed more times than I care to remember. . . .

This newsgroup is dedicated to gambling. Three card monte is not gambling.
I would politely suggest that if you want to discuss such topics, you should
call for the formation of a new newsgroup, perhaps "alt.swindle".
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: Jonathan Rosenberg <jxr@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: One day to Vegas
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 02:31:22 GMT

From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: One day to Vegas
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:43:24 GMT

> The Frontier?  The only place I've ever heard of 10x odds is the Horseshoe.

The Frontier does, indeed, have 10x odds at $1 & $5 tables (at least it
did as of August this year).

The Plaza used to have 10x odds & $0.25 tables.  As of August, the $0.25
tables were still there but odds were only 2x.

JR

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: borker@nevada.edu (DAMIAN BLESS)
Subject: Re: LV during COMDEX
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:05:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.114704.640@fibers> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.171337.28106@advtech.uswest.com>, ziesman@uswest.com (Craig Ziesman) writes:
>> I will be attending COMDEX the week after next.  Any 
>> recommendations/advice regarding what to look for (and look out for) while 
>> I'm there?  I am a low stakes (<$10/bet) BJ player.  Thanks.
>
>Yeah.  Breathing room.
>
>Seriously, LV is packed that week.  If you can actually play at $10
>minimum bets, you probably will be able to find a table, but I suspect
>you'd have a hard time finding a less-than-full $5 minimum table.
>________________________________________________________________________
>Michael Buck                          |
>UUCP: decwrl!twwells!fibers!mbuck     |
>Internet:                             |
>  twwells!fibers!mbuck@decwrl.dec.com |

COMDEX people don't really gamble much.  I don't think it's that hard
to find a table anywhere.  At least over the last 2 years at COMDEX I
go down to the strip and it looks like a ghost town at night (say 10-2)
in some of the casinos (Even ones close to the exhipits like the Riv)
From: sbrackstone@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Splash Casino may reopen on Friday
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:13:01 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

From the Commercial Appeal, November 6, 1992......

A Mississippi Gaming Commission official said Thursday night the closed
Splash Casino appears to have righted its problems and could reopen
today (Friday).
From: pitaro@joker.sanders.lockheed.com (Michael Pitaro)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: LV during COMDEX
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:26:20 GMT
Reply-To: pitaro@rocket.sanders.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
In-reply-to: mbuck@fibers's message of 6 Nov 92 16:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.114704.640@fibers> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
   In article <1992Nov5.171337.28106@advtech.uswest.com>, ziesman@uswest.com (Craig Ziesman) writes:
    I will be attending COMDEX the week after next.  Any 
    recommendations/advice regarding what to look for (and look out for) while 
    I'm there?  I am a low stakes (<$10/bet) BJ player.  Thanks.

   Yeah.  Breathing room.

   Seriously, LV is packed that week.  If you can actually play at $10
   minimum bets, you probably will be able to find a table, but I suspect
   you'd have a hard time finding a less-than-full $5 minimum table.

When I was at COMDEX last year I had no problem finding $2 tables and
$1 craps.  If you like craps you can play for 25 cents at Silver
Slipper (??) on the strip.  The casinos really aren't too crowded.
It's the traffic on the streets around the Hilton which were
unbearable.  Parking is also restricted to Hilton Hotel guests during
COMDEX.  Though I was able to park if I arrived early, usally before
6:00am for breakfast and some quick gambling.  I'm going to COMDEX and
the Hollyfield/Bowe fight this year and hope conditions will be
similar.  I also can't afford to play much at $5 tables.  To have fun
and stretch out the money I'll usually bet small when I'm losing,
around $1, and big when I'm winning, $5 to $25.  Probably not an
optimal betting strategy but its fun and saves me having to count
cards at BJ and keeps me from losing much at craps.
--
Michael Pitaro                              Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
                                            PO Box 868, MER24-1583C
Signal Processing Center of Technology      Nashua, NH 03061-0868
pitaro@rocket.sanders.com                   603-885-9794 (Voice)
(or) ...!uunet!rocket!pitaro                603-885-0631 (FAX)
From: ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:48:51 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Nov4.202557.11388@unislc.uucp> mgc@unislc.uucp (Marc Christensen) writes:
>Andrew William Jackson (ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU) wrote:
>: Why is computer use not more widespread in casinos?
>: 
>: The book eudemonic pie describes the construction and use of a 
>: roulette computer that was quite effective.  Are these computers
>: illegal?  
>From what I have seen in Nevada electronics devices including cameras are
>"PROHIBITED". I Don't know if this is by law or house rules.
>The reason should be obvious from your post.
>I hear some casinos have devices to detect electronics devices from the
>RF they put out. So such a device would have to be very well shielded in 
>addition to being hidden as you propose.
>
>Marc Christensen
>

My blackjack "computer" operates asychronously and thus does not emit any
detectable RF signals.  Someone responded that there is a stiff prison
sentence associated with this crime.  Is this true - does anyone know
for sure what the actual law is?

Andrew Jackson  ajackson@athena.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: Value Rent A Car
Keywords: Phone number
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:10:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.182938.24095@cbfsb.cb.att.com> lance@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (lance.r.ogasawara) writes:
>
>Sorry to clutter up the newsgroup with this but I didn't know
>what else to do...
>
>Does anyone have a phone number for Value Rent A Car? They were
>recommended to me by a reader of this newsgroup but I can't seem
>to find them in my local phone book.

Geez, call 1-800-555-1212!!!

But as long as I am responding...

COMPANY    PHONE NUMBER 
--------- --------------
Budget    (800) 527-0700
General   (800) 327-7607
Alamo     (800) 327-9633
Value     (800) 327-2501
Payless   (800) 237-2804  <- use this number at your own risk,
                             they are *slow*, *stupid*, *criminals*

-- 
Michael Hall            \ Reno's safest bet.
NASA Ames Research Center\ John Ascuaga's Nugget
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \ - billboard in San Francisco
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Vegas Trip
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:41:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <JACOBS.92Nov10135038@cells.cs.utah.edu>

One question and one comment about Vegas.....

I'm headed out for a few days in Vegas during Comdex... what kind
of surcharge are the ATM machines in the Casinos charging now for
cash withdrawals?  I haven't been in Vegas for about 2 years and
the last time I was there the charge was about $1 per cash
withdraw transaction.

Regarding where to hang out, gamble, eat., etc... give the Sands
hotel on the Strip a looksee.  It's a nice "medium-sized" hotel
casino with a couple good eateries (their "Terrace" restaurant
or whatever it's called makes one of the best burgers I've ever
had in Vegas) and the casino isn't tiny but then again it isn't
so huge that you get lost trying to find the head and then
make your way back to the tables.  It's one of the older hotel/casinos
on the Strip and I find it to be a very comfortable place to spend
a few hours losing my money :-/  Perhaps some folks enjoy getting
lost in casinos like Ceaser's or The Mirage... but when I'm gambling
(and losing) and want to get outta there in a hurry, the last thing
I want to do is to try to figure out which way I came in. For the
large casinos, I like Bally's. It's basically one huge rectangle.
Buffets? The Stardust has always been a favorite of mine... but with
the recent pair (or more?) of robberies there, I'm loathe to step
foot in the place.  Prime Rib and smoke bombs aren't my idea of
casual dining.

Harv
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: One day to Vegas
From: R.C.(Chuck) Solly <NU035609@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:03:22 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network


In article <1992Nov6.161810.9895@midway.uchicago.edu>, stylian@aramis.uucp
(Philip Stylianos) says:
>
>1) Are craps tables below $5 minumum plentiful? Where's the nearest to my     ?
>hotel
>
There is at least one .25 cent craps game downtown and I think
there is one next to Circus

>2) Anyone have success with Silberstang's craps "systems," i.e. you lost less
>   money than you normally do?

I haven't done well with that one.


>4) Double odds on craps (I've seen 3X, too) are plentiful in AC. And LV? If   ,
>not
>   where are they?

Quite a few places have double odds. There are several downtown with triple
and I THINK the Frontier has 10x.

Chuck

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Hold'Em question
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:55:46 GMT

In article <1deu3rINNh84@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:

>In article <BxAyKL.M4B@world.std.com> erb@world.std.com (ed r baker) writes:

>>Your wired aces will win about one third of the time at a table with 10
>>players if everyone stays to the end.  If you have 5-6 opponents, then
>>you will win more than one third of the time.  So, 33% chance of winning
>>the pot is a conservative estimate.
>>
>>The pot size is going to be 5 or 6 times the amount of money you put in
>>to the pot, and you are going to win 33% of the time.  It seems that you
>>would make more money in the long run by contributing as much money to
>>the pot as possible.  Raise at every opportunity.

>Good point.  I'm getting serious pot odds to put as much money in the pot
>as possible.  However,
>
>1. I assume that 33% number is *random* hands.  While my opponents are
>   capable of showing me virtually any two cards in the deck, isn't that 
>   a somewhat optimistic number?

No.  Your nine opponents' hands *are* random, at least until they look
at them and begin acting.  And no matter what they've got, you still
have the best pocket possible.  Unless you've seen behavior that 
indicates that virtually all the others have great hands themselves
(paired paint or QJs) the 33% figure is good.

>2. By increasing the pot size, I'm giving the Hail Mary draws a price to  
>   stay in.  Better keep the pot size down so I have a shot at picking it
>   up on the flop (more likely 4th St. :-( ).

By increasing the bet, you're giving the Hail Marys a good reason to
splash.  Unless you're playing against total calling stations (and I
confess that there are a couple in my regular game), betting should
drive the come hands out.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jj@slc.mentorg.com (Jeff Jennings)
Subject: Re: LV recommedations requested...
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:48:29
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp.

>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:09:18 GMT, hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) said:

MH> Frontier and Circus Circus are the perfect places to start building a
MH> blackjack bankroll, though your $$$/hour at first will be sub-minimum wage
MH> and way below expenses.

Michael didn't mention that if you can play at the $5+ level at the Frontier
you will get a token with every blackjack.  Ten tokens will get you a free
room during the week and fifteen tokens will get you a free room on a
weekend.  This is a great deal for cutting expenses.  You can check in and
go play and redeem your tokens for a free room before check out.  All the
while you'll be playing the blackjack game with the highest basic strategy
expectation (that I'm aware of) in the world.

>Oh, I do count (Hi-Lo w/ some strategy adj.)
>
>A question on strategy adj... how are they ranked in order of importance
>for the first 12 or so... (I remeber reading some time back that the
>first 12 give you about 90% of the advantage.)

MH> JJ is the expert on that.

Insure, correlation 0.76, gain 141.16
Hit 16 v X, correlation -0.55, gain 53.12
Hit 15 v X, correlation -0.76, gain 36.06
Split X,X v 6, correlation 0.93, gain 25.04
Split X,X v 5, correlation 0.96, gain 24.04
Hit 12 v 4, correlation -0.76, gain 23.21
Hit 13 v 2, correlation -0.65, gain 22.55
Hit 14 v X, correlation -0.40, gain 20.60
Hit 12 v 3, correlation -0.70, gain 20.55
Hit 12 v 6, correlation -0.72, gain 20.41
Hit 13 v 3, correlation -0.68, gain 19.20
Hit 12 v 5, correlation -0.81, gain 18.13
Split X,X v 4, correlation 0.93, gain 16.68
Hit 13 v 4, correlation -0.74, gain 15.06
Double 10 v X, correlation 0.83, gain 15.02
Double 11 v X, correlation 0.67, gain 14.85
Hit 12 v 2, correlation -0.63, gain 14.68
Hit 14 v 2, correlation -0.71, gain 13.73
Split X,X v 3, correlation 0.91, gain 12.74
Hit 13 v 6, correlation -0.71, gain 12.27
Hit 14 v 3, correlation -0.72, gain 11.72
Hit 13 v 5, correlation -0.80, gain 11.34
Double 11 v A, correlation 0.82, gain 10.66
Hit 13 v X, correlation -0.28, gain 10.34
Hit 16 v 9, correlation -0.52, gain 10.03
Hit 15 v 2, correlation -0.81, gain 9.84
Hit 14 v 4, correlation -0.74, gain 9.04
Double 9 v 7, correlation 0.86, gain 8.57
Split X,X v 2, correlation 0.92, gain 8.28
Hit 15 v 3, correlation -0.80, gain 8.11
Double 8 v 5, correlation 0.94, gain 7.49
Double 10 v A, correlation 0.94, gain 7.49

MH> The best way is to bug Steve Jacobs by sending mail to jacobs@cs.utah.edu.

I try to do that several times a day.  If you want I can give you his work
and home phone numbers so that you can call him also!

Jeff
From: mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:59:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.40770
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.

Sorry for any confusion, that law against computers
in the casino that I copied from Ken Uston's book
was for the State of Nevada.

mark
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Advisor Party?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:40:17 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.083029.650@fibers>, mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
|> Yes, indeed.  I'm combining the LVA party with a trip to the DECUS
|> convention, Dec 4-11.    I am curious how many people have signed up
|> and will attend.  I hope the number is large enough for them to warrant
|> doing it in the future.

Anthony Curtis told me on Wednesday that there are 325 couples signed up
already.  Harrah's is going to bump the prize pool up from $2,500 as a result.

See you at the party.



Chuck Weinstock				weinstock@sei.cmu.edu
Software Engineering Institute		(412) 268-7719
Carnegie Mellon University		(412) 268-5758 (Fax)
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mgins@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Ginsberg)
Subject: Re: Computer's in casinos
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:13:39 GMT

In article <40748@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mark@kraken.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson) writes:
>
>From _Ken Uston on BlackJack_
>
>"It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming
>establishment to use, or posses with the intent to use,
>any device to assist:
> 1. In projecting the outcome of the game ;
> 2. In keeping track of the cards palyed ;
> 3. In analyzing the probability of the occurrence of 
>    an event relating to the game,
> 4. In analyzing the strategy for playing or betting to
>    be used in the game, except as permitted by the 
>    commission."
>
>
>penalties:
... penalties deleted ...

So, is this in Nevada or New Jersey?  I certainly doubt it's a federal law, and
I certainly know laws are very different between NV and NJ.

--Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: erb@world.std.com (ed r baker)
Subject: Looking for Boston Area Poker Game
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:54:19 GMT


Did the person looking for a Boston area poker game ever find one?
Can anyone dig up the email address of this person?

Thanks,

-Ed
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Splitting tens?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:49:31 GMT


After reading all the recent posts on splitting tens, I have a few questions:

1) How good should the count be to split tens vs. dealer 6? ..5?
2) One poster mentioned that you should re-split tens as well in this
situation.  I assume you should be keeping count all the while and once
the count stops being good enough to split (as answered in #1 above) then
you stand on your 20.  Is this correct?

Thanks.
Jason Gische
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Shooting off your mouth, err, gun! ;-)
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:24:19 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <01GQM73LQ5K0920RQI@vms.cis.pitt.edu> "nahst6+@pitt.edu"@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:
}In article <Bwypu9.K50@csn.org> james@csn.org (Jim Phillips) writes:
}
}#We all know that when you're ready to shoot a shotgun you should be
} ^^^^^^^^^^^
}#bent at the waist.  And that's bent FORWARD.  I've seen a lot of new 
}
}I don't know this.  In fact, I wouldn't recommend it.  ...

Both the NRA (_The Basics of Shotgun Shooting_) and Massad Ayoob
(_Stressfire II_) disagree with you.

The NRA book teaches sport shooting and assumes relatively light game
loads.  It recommends a slightly forward leaning stance.  Ayoob is talking
about combat shotguns loaded with 3" magnum shells.  He recommends a very
aggressive stance with front leg bent at the knee and rear leg well
braced.  Note that neither of these stances requires much bending of the
waist.

The NRA book says if the gun overbalances you when you lean forward, or
you have to lean backward to support it adequately, then the gun's too big
for you.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Target Guns
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:57:46 GMT
Organization: Morning Star Technologies

In article <Bx7670.Hqr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:
#
#Out of curiosity, what are good target postols and rifles?
#What kind of cartrige is best for target shooting (competition
#type, I guess...).
#
#I am not in the market for a gun, I am just curious...

I'm sure that everyone you ask will have their own personal favorite
target pistols and rifles - this is VERY much a matter of opinion.
Personally, for prescision target shooting, I like both my 
Ruger MK II .22LR, and my .454 Casull :-)

Chris Miller
chris@MorningStar.Com
From: jswan@elaine39.Stanford.EDU (Jerold Loren Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Buckskinner/"Mountain Man"/Blackpowder Festivals
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:25:35 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University



Several years ago I attended a sort of "mountain man" festival in Washington
State, with blackpowder competitions, tomahawk throwing, blacksmithing demos,
primitive crafts, and the like.

Does anyone know of a similar event that takes place in Northern California,
preferably the SF Bay area? Or perhaps an organization I can contact to find
out about them?

Please respond with email, as I am not able to read this group often.

Thanks,

Jay Swan
jswan@leland.stanford.edu