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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:55:22 GMT
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Certificates?

>From: "(The Dominator)" <u0f98@SEQ1.KEELE.AC.UK>
>
>On video the certificates are :
>	U	Uc	PG	15	18
>	    Universal
>	   (especially
>	  for children)

Yes, I was puzzled as to why there is U and Uc.  The only films with
a U certificate nowadays are for children anyway.

>So U is the same as G in America, 12 is like a PG-13, and films that are
>15 or 18 here I guess are R in America. Sounds like the whole thing is

Isn't R in the States restricted to over 21s?  They have NC-17, too.
Sue told me all this once upon a not so long ago, but I've forgotten
already.
		Liam.
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:20:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Anthony Perkins movie

Anthony Perkins was a wacko priest who pestered Kathleen Turner
in CRIMES OF PASSION.  Her prostitute alter ego was named either
China Blue or Cobalt Blue (I forget which).

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:04:00 EST
From:         SCLERC@BGSUOPIE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Saint

>All this talk about "where are they now" got me thinking about Roger Moore.
>I had heard a while back that they were thinking of making a motion picture
>based on The Saint.  Has anybody heard anything about this?  Has it
>happened and I missed it (since I live at the end of the world, it is
>entirely possible)?  And whatever has happened to Roger Moore?
>
>Don

        I don't know what happened to Moore, but the Saint has been around
forever. George Sanders played the part in a series of movies during the
40s (?), then there was Moore's TV series in the 60s, and another TV series
in the 70s with Ian Ogilvy (a Scot!) playing Templar. Isn't it time to move
on to Son of the Saint or Grandson of the Saint?

        BTW, Sanders played a VERY similar character in the Falcon series.
When he left, the Falcon's brother - played by Sanders's brother, Tom
Conway - inherited the crime-fighting business...

                                                        Sue

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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:48:00 EST
From:         SCLERC@BGSUOPIE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Empire October quiz results...

>The Results:-
>
>Sue Clerc.................................. 9
>Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@uga.cc.uga.edu>... 9
>William Krebs <WXK03@ALBNYDH2.bitnet>...... 9
>Mary Shaffer............................... 8
>SKR2@HOST1.MS.PSU.EDU (RONDEAU.SHARON)..... 6
>
>Well done to all who entered.
>                               Liam.
>                               ====-


        Ooh! So what'd we win?


                Sue

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From: u0f98@seq1.keele.ac.uk (The Dominator)
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Subject: Re: Certificates?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:07:51 GMT
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As i understand it, to see an R film on your own you have to be 17 years
old. If you are under 17 then you have to be accompanied by someone of
17 or over. Mind you, does this mean that kids can get in to see R rated
films? Very strange.
	Dominator
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From:         FAHE000 <FAHE@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      SUB Melissa Hearn

SUB Melissa Hearn
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:17:00 EST
From:         SCLERC@BGSUOPIE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Saint

>I didn't realize that there were so many people playing Simon Templar!  I
>only remember Roger Moore.

        Almost enough to start up a new Knights Templar order.

>While we are on the topic of Roger Moore, what was the series he played in
>with Tony Curtis?  All I remember was it was in black and white and very
>similar to *I Spy*.
>
>Don

        That was _The Persuaders_, circa 1971 -72. Moore played Lord
Brett Sinclair (or Brett, Lord Sinclair - it was never really clair)
and Curtis was Danny something-or-other and drove a red Ferrari. They
were both very rich and aimless, and were recruited by a judge (played
by Laurence Naismith) to do the usual crime-fighting/private detective/
vigilante thing while engaging in the usual bantering. It was in color,
BTW, and filmed all over Europe.

        Terry Nation, creator of the greatest television show ever made
(_Blake's 7_), worked on _The Persuaders_ but I'm not sure if he created
it or just wrote for it on occasion. Nation also wrote for _The Avengers_
(the Tara years, alas) and created the Daleks for _Dr. Who_.

        Simon Templar, Brett Sinclair, and James Bond....what a range
Moore has, huh?

                                Sue
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Date: 5 Nov 92 02:32:28 GMT
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There was A Taxing woman II--not as good as the original.  I think
he made one other movie that was released in the US, but I can't
think of it at the moment.  Tampopo is one of my favorite movies
of all time.  I teach folklore, and use parts of it in a section
on "Foodways" -- if I ever get a long enough time slot, I'll
show the whole thing.  A Japanese friend of mine thought The Funeral
was hysterically funny, but I felt that one didn't translate as well
into English.  I saw Itami and his wife at UCLA--very interesting,
and snappy dressers to boot!

Susan
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:56:51 GMT
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The Saint

>From: "Dick Clawson, S.J." <CLAWSON@LOYNOVM.BITNET>
>
>Whatever happened to Roger Moore?
>     (the question was asked)
>
>The last I've heard from Mr. Bond was back in 1981 when he was cast
>as George in Andrew Lloyd-Webber's _ASPECTS_OF_LOVE_.  He pulled out
>of the project and was replaced by Kevin Colson (I believe).  'Tis a
>pity, since I think he would have performed the role brilliantly.  I
>guess he wasn't convinced of his singing ability.

By all accounts, no-one who heard him was convinced of his singing
ability...

Allegedly...
			Liam.
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Subject: Re: Searching for Coppola
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:36:00 GMT
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i know this is ongoing, but i really must make clear some points i obviously
did not in my preface message.
first, i think the GODFATHER PART II was extremely well made.  i do not think
it was boring in any capacity.  the meditative scenes where michael was simply
pondering his actions were edited well with action and violent scenes. however,
i will not validate this for the GODFATHER which was not a bad movie
by any means.  however, the juxtaposition of the corleone history mixed
in with michael's role as the family head made the GODFATHER PART II a much
more effective mob film.
however, both movies have romanticized the mafia somewhat.  all the women were
magnificent beautiful women, all the men were getting their way.  the only
drawbacks to being in the mafia was that you might be killed.  but, you were kil
   led with high italian opera music behind you, coppola's way of lighting and
mixing the film never captured and uncomfortable mood to the film, unlike
GOODFELLAS which did accomplish a disturbing undertone throughout the movie.
I must disagree about the romanticizing in GOODFELLAS.  there was a different
scene of the mafia portrayed, however,t he infrastructure of the family---high
elite mobsters to low-life hit men---was portrayed both in THE GODFATHER and
GOODFELLAS.  Paulie from GOODFELLAS lived very well, used disturbing
techniques to get what he wanted, and was a frightening figure.  However,
in THE GODFATHER, there was a respect to Don Corleone (Brando's character)
which was not disturbing, just ominous.  further comparison to the gritty
characters of Sonny (Caan) in THE GODFATHER and Jimmy (DeNiro) in GOODFELLAS
reveals the closest similarity between the two movies.  However, I never
felt that Sonny was as violent towards men as he was abusive of women.  plus,
his character never hid his constant rage and hate.  Jimmy did.  he lived the
double lives of a man who could beat a guy to death with Pesci (his character's
name escapes me now) and then hand out $100 bills at a restaurant.  DeNiro
portrayed a hood who was at least trying for the image of respectability.
Caan just portrayed a romanticized, stereotyped hood.
Finally, consider the undertone of violence from everyone in GOODFELLAS.
Ray Liota's character hitting the guy with the gun then giving the bloody
gun to his girlfriend.  Pesci in the restaurant when Liota made the slight
joke and Pesci pulled out his gun.  you didn't know what was going to happen,
because everyone had proven to be so angry.  When Pesci killed that kid
who he had previously shot in the foot.  When DeNiro and Pesci stabbed
that guy in the trunk.  Constant, pulsing violence, rage, and disturbing
scenes.  All the violence in THE GODFATHER films was tabled, held back for
the big finale scene.  The violence was coupled with a romantic, italian-esque
soundtrack and slow, pan shots from the camera.

just an observation


wdhull@cc.owu.edu
david hull
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Subject: Re: Blowup
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:35:00 GMT
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     12-Nov-1992 12:29pm EST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Subject: RE: Blowup

euge:

maybe it says that truth is relative.

there was a similiar movie called "Blow Out" with John Trevolta and Nancy
Allen, directed by Brian DePalma.  When it came out, there was alot of
comparisons drawn between the two movies.  They were both pretty good (even if
John Travolta was in it).

Ellen
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:54:00 EDT
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Subject:      FLIRTING and the Triology

Anyone see FLIRTING yet? It's the second film in an Australian coming of
age Trilogy. The first film was THE YEAR MY VOICE BROKE, I just rented it
and thought it was GREAT! Has anyone seen the new film? Is it as good?
Anyone else like THE YEAR MY VOICE BROKE?

Sean "Doc Syracuse" Farquharson
PS. It has no relation, but did nayone else like I"VE HEARD THE MERMAIDS SINGING
?
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:33:55 EDT
From:         "Patrick" <CX935C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Election night

I hate to be nitpicky at all on something as small as this but I'm in the mood.
 Didn't Jan Hooks leave SNL to do Designing Women a year ago? I know she was
 Mia Farrow on an episode this year but she was an extra special guest start
then. Just a picking a little nit.
                                  Patrick
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:37:03 -0500
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Blood Drive meeting

There seems to be some confusion on your part as to who you sent that
message to!
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From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:Death Becomes Her

Yes, this was a mean-spirited, pointless film. As for Isabella,
she's not that bad. She was the best thing in Cousins, a movie
I didn't care for that much. She does have the tendency to take
her clothes of, a habit she owes more to her European sensibilities
than to the Madonna factor.
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:16:32 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Peeping Tom

Jim,

Could you cite the sources that you know Peeping Tom is available from on
video?  I had assumed it wasn't, 'cause it's not in any of the current direc-
tories we have (e.g., Bowker's Complete Video Directory).  But after your
posting, I checked and found it in a Facets Video catalog.  Anywhere else?

Jeff Clark
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Date: 5 Nov 92 07:41:50 GMT
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I believe the movie was CHINA BLUE and directed by Ken Russell.
Bert
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Date: 12 Nov 92 20:41:00 GMT
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As far as films go - Scorsese's films, Godfather I & II,
Last Tango in Paris, Local Hero, Annie Hall, Forbidden Games,
Duck Soup, House of Games, An Angel at My Table, Hitchcock's
films, The Conversation, Harold and Maude, Kubrick's films,
and countless others.
This year, I've only really liked Howard's End, Glengarry Glen
Ross, Hairdresser's Husband, and A River Runs Through It.
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From: u0f98@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (The Dominator)
Subject: Batman's 12 cert, T2's 15 cert
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>>Can anybody tell me the first film to be given a certificate 12 in the
>>UK. The hype machine will tell you it was Tim Burton's Batman released
>>in August 1989, but I have also read that the first film was Madame
>>Souzatzka released in March 1989. I would like to hear people's views on
>>this one, and maybe I can get the answer.
> 
> I always thought the certificate was introduced specifically for
> _Batman_.  I suppose that it is possible that they "tested" it on
> another film(s) beforehand, though.
> 
That's what the hype machine would have us believe.

> I never noticed this.  Are you sure that there aren't vids with `12'
> certificates?  I'll have to look  noxt time I'm in a video shop.
You'll be wasting your time. '12' videos don't exist. I don't mind '12'
videos being released as a 15. I object to '12' films becoming PG's,
"Memphis Belle" being a case in point, as in the bit :
"SNAFU - Situation Normal..." cutting out the bit where they all shout
"All Fucked Up". Hot Shots was 12 at the cinema but a PG on video. I
don't know what was cut though because I only saw the video but they
must have cut out all the decent bits because it was crap.

> 
> BTW, _Terminator 2_ was cut for its video release over here, so that
> it could get a 15 certificate.  Feh!
> 
And cut at the cinema too. The uncut version is released exclusively on
laserdisc. Oh fab! So I've got to spend 300-400 quid plus the LD if I
want to see it. I didn't even like it anyway.

	Dominator
From: u0f98@seq1.keele.ac.uk (The Dominator)
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Subject: Re: Certificates?
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:24:48 GMT
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> SUBJECT: Certificates?
> 
>     Could someone elaborate on this certificate 12/15 thing? I assume it's
>     the UK equivalent of the US rating system and I'm curious to see how
>     they compare.
>     Thanks.
> 
>     MICHEL
Over the the UK the cinema ratings are :
	U	PG	12	15	18
    Universal Parental  (ages)
	      Guidance

On video the certificates are :
	U	Uc	PG	15	18
	    Universal
	   (especially
	  for children)

So U is the same as G in America, 12 is like a PG-13, and films that are
15 or 18 here I guess are R in America. Sounds like the whole thing is
pretty SNAFU to me
	Dominator
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:05:24 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU>
Subject:      Cotton Comes to Harlem, Himes ...

I understand that a novel by Chester Himes, Cotton Comes to
Harlem, was made into a movie in ( I think it was) 1969?  Has
anyone out there seen it?

Another Harlem connection:  that movie Cotton Club, from a few
years back--- was it based on a book anyone can name?

Thanks.

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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     10-Nov-1992 09:19am EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: Candyman/Fisher King

I saw Candyman over the weekend and found it to be more depressing than
horrifying.  Bleak.  A female grad student (Virginia Madsen) goes into the
projects (Cabrini Green, in Chicago I think) to study urban myths, including
the myth of the "Candyman," a guy with a meat hook for a right hand who appears
behind you if you look in the mirror and say his name five times.  A lot of bad
things start happening to this woman and to those around her.  I wasn't really
put off by the gore (they didn't show a lot of violence actually
happening--just a few bodies after the fact), but somehow the story seemed more
sad than scary.  I was a little disappointed.

To switch gears--they ran Fisher King on showtime on Friday night, and I was
really impressed by Robin Williams' performance.  He really took a lot of risks
in that movie, including doing some nude scenes, and doing a little singing.  I
find that I am more and more impressed with his unique comic style.  You may
like him or dislike him, but you must admit that he has a great creative
energy, and there's certainly nobody like him.

Anita
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:11:15 -0500
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Election day

>
> I hate to be nitpicky at all on something as small as this but I'm in the mo
>  Didn't Jan Hooks leave SNL to do Designing Women a year ago? I know she was
>  Mia Farrow on an episode this year but she was an extra special guest start
> then. Just a picking a little nit.
>                                   Patrick


She did, but she has made guest appearances on SNL, just to do Hillary,
since then.

I cannot wait to see Hartman do Clinton on a regular basis.  On the SNL
political special Sunday night, I thought that little bit about Hillary
throwing his TV set out the window was hilarious.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: James Woods
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:04:30 GMT

Let's not forget Once Upon A Time In America, with DeNiro also.  And
Videodrome.

My favorite is still Salvador, that is the one where I first noticed
how great he was.

Trouble is, many of the recent films have artificial situations set up
to let him hit home runs...  the one where he played the 60s lawyer is
one.

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:54:04 PST
From:         Geoff Davis <DAVIS@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Babette's Feast

I think I've died and gone to heaven!

I had seen all those pictures you mentioned, and relished them all, including
"Babette's Feast."  It says a lot about us, don't you think?

Dzai-Jian
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Subject: Re: Searching for Coppola
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:05:10 GMT
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On the subject of Coppola, has anyone heard anything about his new movie,
Dracula, which opens tomorrow. The previews looked good. And so did Winona
Ryder. :)
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