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From: sthe@td2cad.intel.com (Siang-Chun The)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 3-chip vs 9-chip SIMMs?
Keywords: DRAM memory SIMM obsolescence
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: sthe@td2cad.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation

Which is the older technology: 3-chip SIMMs or 9-chip SIMMs?  My PC
takes 3-chip SIMMs, and I have noticed that 9-chip SIMMs are far more
easily available in the marketplace.  Are 3-chip SIMMs an older
technology, and likely to disappear from the market in the near
future?  Or are they simply newer, and not as widespread yet in the market?

Are 3-chip SIMMs incompatible with 9-chip SIMMs?

Thanks in advance,
				Siang-Chun.
				sthe@td2cad.intel.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC)
Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:20:27 GMT

MSD8227@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>>I'm thinking of buying a PC, either a AMD386DX40 or an Intel 486SX25 - 33. I've
>>been told that the AMD chip is unreliable and would appreciate some feedback.
>>Comments on relative speed between the machines also would be helpful.

>The AMD386DX40 is a knockout, a home run, a slam dunk!  My brother
>has a machine with this chip.  I am very impressed.

>Do yourself a favor get the AMD machine, ok?  I still can't figure
>out why anyone would consider buying a 486SX. 

I hope I'm not too late, but I have something to add.
First, consider what's most important to you: price or performance.

If you chose price, then get the 386-40.  If you chose performance,
go with a 486SX-25 or above.

I won't put down the 386DX-40; I have one because I chose price over 
performance and got a great deal.  You get a lot of power for the money.

I also won't put down the 486SX.  Granted, when Intel first brought them
out (the DX with a crippled math co-processor) they seemed ridiculous.
Current 486SXs, however, have their own "mold."  The only thing you're
missing as compared to the 486DX is the math coprocessor-but the AMD
chip doesn't have one either.  This makes raw performance better on the
486SX.
Some 386 boards are upgradeable; nearly all 486 motherboards can be 
upgraded though.  This is another plus for the 486SX.


For price, buy 386DX-40.
For speed, buy 486SX-25 or 33.

gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
From: chuckc@fc.hp.com (Chuck Cairns)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro & PAS+ Confilct
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:17:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bz9HGs.Arw
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


 Hi Netters,

 I have a Gateway 2000 local bus with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro card
 and also have a Pro Audio Spectrum + card.  Somehow, when I use the
 Mach 32 video driver, my sound won't work from Windows 3.1 !  If I
 switch to the Crystal Fonts Driver then the sound works OK.  I can
 repatedly switch back an forth between the Crystal Fonts driver and the
 Mach32 driver and things work with CF and not with Mach32 in place!

 I'm fairly certain that I am running the new BL50 drivers for the ATI,
 but I need to check that again later today as I have both BL50 and 
 previous ones on the disk. Frustratiing!

 Any charitible netter seen this problem ? 
 Any fixes or ideas ?

 Best Regards,
 Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: cb_rw@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
Subject: For sale: Cardinal 9600-baud external modem
Organization: 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:57:43 GMT

For sale: Cardinal 9600-baud external modem

For sale by owner: Cardinal 9600-baud external modem with V.32, V.42
and V.42bis (all the best features) and full support of the AT command
language.  It's in excellent condition, only about a year old.  I'm
only selling it because I upgraded to a 14,400-baud modem.

I'll take the best offer for these.  Reply via e-mail to
cb_rw@gsbacd.uchicago.edu.  I'm in Chicago, but I can send it anywhere
you'd like.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33604 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:15959
From: miket@exucom.com (Michael Teper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Internal 14.4K Modems
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:09:16 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.windows.ms
Organization: ExuCom MultiMedia Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


Just to serve justice to InfoTels, I think the problems I was
describing two posts ago were caused by my video card, so now I am
quite satisfied with the modem.

As for USR DS, I am going to get one ASAP (dealer price). The best
thing about it is upgradability to v.fast as soon as they put a
standard behind a name      :)

MikeT

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          IBM/Compatibles - Sales, Service, Networking Solutions!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: jrg@punch (James R. Goble)
Subject: Re: "Windoze" slow? Naah...Re: pc and mac: was RE: 486 and mac benchmarks
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:26:54 GMT

In article <Bz3x7z.1LD@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris  
Wulfson) writes:
> Iskandar Taib (ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
> 
> } are gurus anyhow. I also have to know quite a bit about Macs since 
> } we have an equal number of Macs and Mac users. I try to avoid them 
> } for my own work as much as possible however - they just annoy me 
> } too much. The exception is MacDraw II - I wish Claris would hurry 
> } up and port it to Windows.
> 
> Imagine that. MacDraw for Windows! I don't think it will happen
> because Claris is a spinoff of Apple Computer.
> 
> --
> Harris Wulfson
> hjwulfson@amherst.edu

Don't be too sure Harris, stranger things have happened!  Claris is indeed  
considering producing PC Windows ports.  It may be time to switch to Sun  
SparcClassic's.

----------------------------------------------

There is no point in sewing a silk dress for a pig....
It cost a lot, and the pig doesn't know what to do with it...

-----------------------------------------------

Jim Goble,
Los Angeles
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33602 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:15958 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18743
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Seagate ST-225
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:30:34 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Sam. H.K. Chiang (chiang@cs.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>
>The ST225 I got never have problems for three years.

I have an ST225 in my XT clone that I've used _heavily_ since 1987 (and
it was a year or two old when I got it).  The drive crashed once in 1988
(when I accidentally overwrote track 0).  I did a low-level reformat then,
and haven't had any problems with it since.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: browner@rm1.interlan.com (Michael Browner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Help with Trident VGA card
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:38:48 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

A friend recently gave me a VGA card so that I could get SCO Xenix running
on a system.  Unfortantly I have no information about the card or what
needs to be done to add more memory (strap settings).  I also would like
to get some Windows drivers for it (I may try wuarchive or garbo).

Anyway the card is a Taiwan job but contains a Trident 8800CS chip set, it
also has a 1 block (dip switch) with 6 switches and 2 jumper blocks.

Any help would be appreciated.  Also I am not a regular reader of this group
so could you please send e-mail.

Thank You
Michael B.

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From: Kermit@cup.portal.com (Kermit Royce Woodall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: RODIME Drive Specs Needed
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:28:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

If someone out there can email me the following, I would be most grateful.
I'm looking for the specs in order to setup the following MFM drive in my
clone as an extra drive.  It's a Rodime RO3055, Type 90 - thanks!

Kermit Woodall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: yxl5388@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Fractalman)
Subject: Re: Sony Mini CD or Philips DCC format for computer DATA?
Originator: yxl5388@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:42:53 GMT

In article <BzEwGp.766@encore.com> mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
><FWR100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>In article <IBE1109.92Dec16134212@etbsun1.draper.com>, ibe1109@draper.com (Ira
>>Ekhaus) says:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>my local audio store says that the new Sony miniCD holds 74 minutes
>>>of stereo audio and can be RECORDED onto.
>>>
>>>Now for 16 bit stereo  audio without compression that's
>>>74*60*44100*2*2 =    783 216 000
>>>take into account compression factor of (~10) and we're
>>>still talking over 70 Mbytes with a respectable transer rate.
>>>The DCC's numbers are probably pretty similar.
>>>
>>>Does anyone know of plans to use this format as a backup or
>>>distribution format for computer data?
>>>It seems like a good idea, what's up?
>
>>First, as far as I know, _no_ compression is used on audio CD's.  It's really
>>700+ MB.   Since current audio CD's are approximately as long and CD-ROMs hold
>>620+ MB formatted, these numbers seem about right.
>
>>I haven't heard any announcements for a computer product usind the mini-CDs
>>but I'd be shocked if this isn't on the shelves by next Christmas.  The prices
>>I've heard were (correct me if I'm wrong) $750 for the the recorder/player and
>>$16 per disk.  If you're using this with a computer, you can remove the
>>digitizing equipment (44KHz 16 bit stereo ADC) and replace it with a SCSI
>>interface.   Add $250 because it's a computer product, so for $1000 you've got
>>a 600MB storage device.  That's $1.66/MB for the first 600MB, 2.6 cents per MB
>>afterwards.
>
>The audio MD is compressed quite a bit, so I imagine there's only room on the
>disk for perhaps 100Mb of data, but still 100Mb for $16 isn't bad.

The MD disks are actually $50 apiece but to encourage consumers to buy
them Sony is selling them for $16 each. If they were used for computers
I'd expect the price to go up. MD's for audio and MD's for computers. :)

=Fractalman
From: dcm@iris.mincom.oz.au (Doug Merrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: INFO on ALPS wanted?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:47:29 GMT
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I have been using a few of these drives recently as the regular supplier
was unable to deliver.  They seem stable (only been in for a short time
though) and very quick with a 13ms rating.  They are made in Japan and 
I think that ALPS also make the keyswitches for "good" keyboards.

We are given these with 2 years warranty in Australia and are approx
$320 US dollars including local 20% sales tax.

I have the specs for tracks/heads/sectors for both the 105Mb and 210Mb at
home, so if you need them please email me and I'll send them back.

Regards,

Doug Merrett
[dcm@mincom.oz.au]
From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Wacky wild modem problems
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:45:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1gpe95INN9kl@agate.berkeley.edu>, shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>>Could it be that the new motherboard is just too fast for this fairly 
>>ancient modem? I don't think this could be the case, since the bus still 
>>runs at the same speed. Could my UART be too slow? Could it be a problem 
>>with DMA? Or am I wrong on any of this? Any help on this would be appreciate
> 
> i have pretty much the same problem also!  i have a 2400 baud modem that 
> i use to use in my xt and it worked great.  however after i got my 486 and
> stuck it in, it would freeze on me about every two to three hours... 
> soft-reset usually works but it doesn't hangup the line... only a hard reset
> will hangup....
> 
> maybe like the above post suggested, the mb is too fast.  if anyone else has
> any suggestions please post.  thanks in advance.

I have a FAX board with this problem. If I take the machine out of turbo 
mode it works fine. I tried using the BIOS Setup to reduce the bus speed 
but that had no effect.

			Allen Mulvey
			mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: gtoews@ugly.UVic.CA (Greg  Toews)
Subject: DELL DGX - When Will They Deliver?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:44:49 GMT


Does anyone know what the story is on these machines:

       DELL 433DE with 450 DE/2 DGX Upgrade
       EISA with 2MB EISA ESDI HD Cache Controller

It has been on order since JUNE!!!

First they said bad motherboard, Delivery Dec 15.  Now one person
says Dec 18 delivery and another person says the motherboard is being 
debugged in Ireland.  Rumor has it that the controller uncovered a
motherboard bug.

THE QUESTION IS, WHEN WILL THEY DELIVER!!

Any information would be appreciated.  I haven't been following this
group and I didn't have time to wade through the last 2000 articles
so I appologize if this has been discussed recently.  If it has I
would really appreciate a quick summary from someone.  Also, if there
is a better group to ask this in, please let me know.

Greg

From: mikew@hpwarha.wal.hp.com (Michael Williams)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:40:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Should WD Caviar 2200 be noisy?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Waltham, MA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

In article <1992Dec16.164607.27780@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>Well, I don't know about Seagate ST3283A. But among all the HDs I've seen,
>WD2200 is the most noisy. If you are concerned about the quietness, better
>get something else.
>
>>PS :  What stability problem with the Maxtor?
>
>It's a long story. Briefly, the Maxtor HD was making faint clicking noise
>when the head was placed to some positions. It's not the sound of head
>moving. Instead, it's like the head was scatching the disk surface.
>I didn't wait for the HD's problem to rise, but returned it immediately.
>BTW, WD2200 is much faster than Maxtor 7213A. I'm happy that I made the
>switch.

I recently purchased a WD 340 MB drive, and it's as noisy as the old 42
MB MFM drive that came with the 386 SX I bought in 1988 (and much
noisier than the silent Toshiba 100 MB disk that I replaced that with).
Every disk head movement generates a thunk with the Western Digital.

I had thought that the drive was defective, but perhaps that's just the
way they were designed.  I'm going to call Western Digital just to make
sure.

As noisy as it is, I think I can live with it as long as it's not a
manufacturing defect.  As stated here, it is incredibly fast; the
difference that it made in my system was remarkable.  (The extra 200 MB
of space is nice, too!)

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: iisakkil@lk-hp-14.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)
Subject: Re: I'm sick of off-white computers!
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:57:15 GMT

jelast@IASTATE.EDU (Jim Last) writes:
>and the like)* but I was wondering how easy is it to order a 
>PC clone in some other color than off-white.  

Just paint it! Take all electronics out of the case first, of
course... I've been thinking about painting my old AT with camouflage
colours, but can't do that as long as it's leased to my dorm mate.
The paint will affect the thermal conductivity of the case, but that's
no big deal since most PCs have a fan which blows out 99% of the heat.

Over here you can get ICL (former Nokia Data) PCs and monitors in many
different colours (including pink), but that's not your cheap average
clone. I've alse seen some black PCs in the back page ads in Byte.
They looked way cool.

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From: rilec@westminster.ac.uk (Robin Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: MFM problem
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:32:45 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster

I've got a little problem and wondered if anyone out there can help me out,
I'm trying to use a Maxtor xt1140 120Mb MFM hard drive on my 386 but cant get 
it working.The drive powers up ok when no cables are in it but when I put the 
20pin data cable in it cuts the power to the drive.I've got a 16bit MFM
controller card which works ok with my 20Mb drives.
The Drive was ok on my xt with an 8-bit controller.

Is there any jumper settings that I should change that would make it work?


Rob.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Rediculously slow floppy drives after 286->486 upgrade. Help?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:51:18 GMT

In <widow.724576075@camelot> widow@camelot.bradley.edu (Shaun Burnett) writes:


>	I upgraded my system from a 286/12.5 to a 486/33.  I took
>	the two drives that came with my 286 (1.44M and 1.2M), and put
>	them in the 486.

>	Now I know that floppy drive access under DR-DOS 6.0 is slow,
>	but now it is painfully slow.  In fact, it seems slower than
>	when I had the 286.

>	Anyone have any suggestions or insight?  I don't have the slow
>	drive access problem under OS/2 2.0.  

I don't know the exact cause of the slowness, but regardless of whose
DOS you use, I've seen this on every 286 I've 'upgraded'. Maybe they
did something with the 386 and 486 BIOSs to enhance hard disk access
at the expense of floppy access?

Kind of off-putting though.

>Shaun Burnett		    |	"You can't survive on a new planet with a
>widow@camelot.bradley.edu   |	soul full of hope and fresh air you know."
>OS/2--Happy Happy Joy Joy--OS/2		-  Dr. Who (Tom Baker)

Bob.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca (Marc Trottier)
Subject: Info. needed on Western Digital ESDI controller
Organization: MPS, Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:17:16 GMT

I have an old Western Digital ESDI controller and would like to use it for a 
second hard drive in my PC. No book. No info... therefore I need to know 
which jumpers have to be setup on the controller board in order to get the 
hard disk working as second drive.

Controller type: WD1107A-WA2
                 WDC 60-600079-02 Rev. XO

Thanks in advance!
 Marc Trottier /
 mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca
From: chiu@alumni.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: S3 programming info
Summary: S3 Data books
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:35:58 GMT
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers
Originator: chiu@alumni

In article <101773@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:

>  Does anybody out there have prog. reference for an S3 based
>  video boards? I'd appreciate a copy.

S3 data books can be had by calling S3 literature department.
408-986-8144 (Voice)
408-986-1457 (Fax)

As for vender implimentation, you'll need to contact the board manufacturer

>  S.B.
From: cordelkj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Zenith 386sx to 486 ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:50:21 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I am posting a question for someone here, and I hope this is the right
newsgroup to use..

He has a Zenith 386sx 20 Mhz PC and he would like to know if he can swap out
the cpu with a 486 DLC chip. First are they pin compatible and second will the
BIOS chip be compatible..  

That is all the info that I have.. sicne I don't read this newsgroup could you
please address replies to

Cordelkj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu

Thanks in advance

kevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: keiths@cae.wisc.edu (Keith Scidmore)
Subject: VLB requires wait-states???
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:57:44 CST

I was told by a Zeos Rep. that their VLB machines have 1 wait state
for reads and none for writes *per the VESA standard*.  Is it true
that VESA requires a wait-state for reads?  I thought that wait-states
were a thing of the past (at least for well designed machines).  What
it sounds like he was saying is that all VESA machines have memory
wait states.  This would mean that to get the fast VESA bus you have
to degrade the performance of your memory system where reads usually
dominate over writes by about 3 to 1!  Is this true?

Keith R. Scidmore
From: andrew@phoebe.loni.ucla.edu (Andrew Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Phone number needed for 3Com
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:49:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Laboratory of Neuro-Imaging

Hi, can someone tell me if 3Com have a BBS or anonymous FTP site for 
down loading Ethercard Driver. Please send info to my e-mail address.
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: are gateways upgradeable to P24T?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:18:37 GMT

> Zeos and Dell now have 486 systems that are upgradeable to the
> Pentium.  Does anyone know if Gateway systems can do this?
> If not, does anyone know when Micronics will start building
> motherboards that can?
 
Do you mean the Pentium or the only half as good P24T or whatever
it's called?  A company already has built a motherboard that can
use the real deal P5.  It's going to be on display at the Pacific Rim
computer show in Vancouver, BC at the Zegna Electronics booth.  I
think
it's an EISA 3 motherboard by Micronics.
 
If I get more details I'll post them.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: chiu@alumni.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: I'm sick of off-white computers!
Summary: NeXT CUBE casing
Originator: chiu@alumni
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:00:34 GMT

In article <1gujebINNbou@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mag6@po.CWRU.Edu (Martin A. Gulaian) writes:

>>        I'm a big fan of the NeXT and their contemporary black
>>design, and even the Zenith Data System configurations that I've
>>seen are a really neato "bone" color.

For the most part, NeXT does hire industrial designers to design neat looking
casings, unlike PC clone casing manufacturers...

To this day, I still can't figure out why no one has made some PC casing
resembling NeXT CUBE... (GAD, THE CUBE is a piece of ART! I wouldn't mind
having an enclosure like that for my PC...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: reddy@spso.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jagan Reddy)
Subject: How to assemble a pc? Help.
Summary: I want to assemble my own computer. Help.
Keywords: computer assemble
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:41:43 GMT

Hi netters,
	I am thinking about assembling my own 486 machine. I am yet to analyse
if it is feasible and if so if is considerably profitable i.e would there
be enough savings if I assemble my own computer, given the fact that
computers are dam cheap now-a-days. 

	Did any one have such experiance?
Help, suggestions are welcome with sources for parts and books to read 
before attempting such a venture.

Thanks
Jagan