HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mlin@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Mark Y. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: net sites....
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:49:51 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


   Hi, I hope I have posted this question in the right place...
   If not.... Curse all you want....

   Anyway, I'd like to know if there is a site in the
   Orange County area were I can telnet to my  account here
   at UCLA.  I am trying to do my home work at home without
   having to dial long distance to UCLA.

   Thanks for any help.



-- 

           *****************    John 3 : 16    *******************
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Hi my name is Richard Banks Jr. from Cleveland, Ohio
Date: 2 Jan 1993 03:13:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Hi it's me Richard Banks, graduated from John Marshall High School
, Cleveland, Ohio.    If any former teacher, student, employee is
looking for me, you need not search anymore.

G'Day.
From: x87lynn@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Chrysler e-mail address
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:00:07 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hi,
	I was wondering if Chrysler Corp. has an internet connection.
I am looking for a way to send e-mail to my dad who works at Jefferson
Assembly.  

Thanks in advance 

-- 
	Christopher Lynn    			x87lynn@gw.wmich.edu 
	Western Michigan University		99lynn@lab.cc.wmich.edu
	Kalamazoo, Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch)
Subject: Macalester alumni mailing list - eab@msc.edu
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 16:03:11 GMT


I've you're an Alumn of Macalester College, in Saint Paul, Minnesota,
or you know someone who is - you may be interested in a mailing
list I have started.  To get on the list, send me mail with the
subject 

	maclist subscribe me

and you'll be put on the list.

It's not automatic, there's a real person (me!) editing a file
to put you on.  So be patient.

Compu$erve, GEnie, America Online, or anyone else with internet
mail connectivity are welcome.


--

Edward A. Bertsch (eab@msc.edu)   Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.
Operations/User Services          1200 Washington Avenue South
(612) 626-1888 work               Minneapolis, Minnesota  55415
(612) 645-0168 voice mail         [DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS; NOT MSCI'S]


Macalester '84
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Looking for John "Terry" O'Brien....
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:04:40 GMT



Hi there,

I'm wondering if anyone has any information about the
whereabouts of a college friend of mine.  His given
name is John Terrence O'Brien, but he went by "Terry"
in college.

He grew up in Clifton Park, NY, and we graduated from
Clarkson University in Potsdam, NY in 1989.

Any information would be greatly appreciated!

-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
From: libove@libove.alf.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: Andrea Archambeau
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Atlanta Customer Support Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:10:05 GMT

Seeking Andrea Archambeau.  She'd be between the ages of
23 and 26, she has black skin, last time I saw her her
hair was quite short; she's around 5'4" tall (give or
take two inches).  In 1983-1986 she attended Staples
High School in Westport, CT and lived alternately in
Westport or Bridgeport, CT.
She might have been in Boston in 1987-1988.
Please e-mail me if you know of her whereabouts.
Thanks!
--

Jay Vassos-Libove                  libove@alf.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation      decwrl!alf.dec.com!libove
Atlanta Customer Support Center    Opinions? They're mine, mine, all mine!
Alpharetta, Georgia                and D.E.C. Can't have 'em!
From: shawkins@bcm.tmc.edu (Carie K Seale-Hawkins)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Looking for Charlie Brown
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:20:41 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu

I'm trying to find a guy who was at Houston Baptist College in 1965-6
who's parents were in Equador.  He is an old friend and I'm wondering if
he is still around anywhere.

Carie Seale-Hawkins
Houston, TX
From: ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.net-people
Subject: Seattle Public Access Unix
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:15:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	Hello... I am wondering if anyone might have some
information about 'Seattle Public Access Unix', or a suggestion as
to who I should ask? Thank you very much.
		Maiko Covington  mcovingt@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

Xref: sparky soc.women:21920 soc.men:21817 alt.feminism:6548 talk.abortion:52977
From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.feminism,talk.abortion
Subject: Politically Incorrect parallel situations
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: The Piranha Club

In article <1hb1i8INNf40@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com 
(Adrienne Regard) writes:

>You don't get it, Daniel.  What you posted is not a parallel.

As Adrienne knows very well, it is not a big deal to make the
suggestion of "choice for men" as a parallel one.

E.g. in a case of pregnancy, every one of the future parents will 
have the right to sign away his/her rights and responsibilities 
toward the future child.

If parent A signs such a contract, then parent B will have a full custody
(if there will be a baby, the woman will still be allowed to abort)
but no support.  If parents A and B sign such a contract then the 
newborn will be put up to adoption.

Note that the opponents of such parallel equality are
Adrienne and other "pro equality" feminists...  

>Ya gotta wonder....

Yup...
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: Diane
Subject: Re: thermal underpants
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:18:41 CST

In article <1992Dec21.202818.18401@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
 
    <stuff deleted>
 
>I compares the "specs" on a number of differrent brands, with their
>own separate sizing schemes, and determined that a women's small should
>fit me properly.  I opened a package.  The legs looked long enough,
>(I stand 5'11") they looked about big enough around in the thighs and
>in the hips, and the waistband looked just-right!  The only thing missing
>
      <more stuff deleted>
 
>I can't help but think that _one day_ the folx who make athletic gear
>(you know, those garments that _have to_ fit men/women of athletic
>proportions), would get together with the folx that make thermal undies,
>and a KILLING would be made!
>
>What do ya' think, folx?
>
>Keith R
 
Well Keith, I think you did a very nice job of explaining the women's
undies in your sock drawer. *Now* how are you going to explain the
bra and fishnet hose in the box at the bottom of your closet???
;-)
 
Diane
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:32:32 GMT

In article <1h5590INNmkr@transfer.stratus.com> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>Society is changing but it's changing slowly.  Yes, many girls I knew back in  
>school hung out with jocks.

	They still do. What makes you think that's changing?

>If you want your position validated, Dan, go to soc.men.  In theory, soc.women  
>should be a place for women to receive support and validation.

	Tsk. An old hand like you should know better. Reread the
newsgroup description.

						Kayembee
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Re: cosmo covers--models too thin?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:04:17 GMT

> Do you men out there truly think that those models are too thin? 

I don't believe this. I can't be the *only* person out here who likes
the way most (not all, just most) of the covers look on Cosmo and other
such magazines.  Is there anyone else out there who does?  Male or Female?
- Chuck

p.s. Please note, this doesn't mean that I *only* like women to look like that.
My tastes I think have a wide range, which includes cover girls who look
pretty (not really sexy).


-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: cosmo covers--models too thin?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:40:38 GMT

In article <bc9U02MA2fdy01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@diag.amdahl.com writes:
>> Do you men out there truly think that those models are too thin? 
>
>Absolutely.  And too large-breasted, too.
>As a matter of fact, I've never seen a Cosmo
>cover girl that appealed to me in the slightest --
>my invariable reaction is:
>
>   What absurd clothing and hair.  A woman who really
>   looks like that, on _any_ occasion, must be both
>   stupid and amazingly self-absorbed.

Not stupid enough to make that severe a judgment about
someone from one photograph.

Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.feminism,talk.abortion
From: holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Muffy becomes anti-choice (was Re: just passing through...)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:05:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: d0gslb.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <MUFFY.92Dec18125621@remarque.berkeley.edu>, 
muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
> No, you have not "chosen to not reproduce" when you have sex using birth
> control.  You have simply chosen to take a "1/5/10/etc percent *chance*
> of reproducing" (the actual percentage depends on the type of birth
> control chosen and how well you use it).  If you gamble and lose, then
> you have to deal with the consequences.
> 
>>And if the birth control fails, then it's certainly
>>a responsible decision to stick with your original choice.
> 
> Exactly.  The choice of "taking a small chance of reproducing."

Gee, Muffy, does this mean that you're anti-abortion?  I hear this argument
VERBATIM out of people explaining to me why women should not be permitted to
have abortions.  After all, they chose to take the chance on getting pregnant. 
They gambled and lost, now they have to deal with the consequences.
-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
Disclaimer:  Fermilab's far too large to have an opinion, let alone mine.
From: dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:55:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: redondo.sw.stratus.com

In article <1h5590INNmkr@transfer.stratus.com>, lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann) writes:
> Dan Swartzendruber writes
> >In article <1h4hg5INNe6u@transfer.stratus.com>,  
> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann) writes:
> >> Dan Swartzendruber writes

[deleted]

> Society is changing but it's changing slowly.  Yes, many girls I knew back in  
> school hung out with jocks.  What in the world does that have to do with 
> "Who reinforces their socialized roles of toughness? - girls/women"
> It has a whole lot more to do with society's glorification of sports.
> While it's related to "toughness" it's a little more complicated than
> that.

You're still missing the point.  Jocks had nothing to do with it.  It was
guys who were "tough" and not "wimps" who were successful with women.


> If you want your position validated, Dan, go to soc.men.  In theory, soc.women  
> should be a place for women to receive support and validation.  (Besides, you  
> know me---how many dates do you think a fat, opinionated, intelligent, feminist  
> teenaged woman had?  Three.)  Besides men hit women all the time in soc.women  
> for discussing anecdotal evidence.  Why is a man's anecdotal evidence more  
> valid in soc.women than a woman's would be?

I wasn't asking to have my position validated, Laurie.  I was asking you to
extend me the same courtesy I give you by not telling you "Bullshit!" in
direct response to anecdotal stories of yours about your personal experiences.
Strawman #1 - I'm not one of those men.  I may request a larger statistical
sample than just your experience, but I don't recall ever having flatly
denied that your experience happened.  Strawman #2 - I never said a man's
anecdotal evidence was more valid, etc, etc...  What I *was* saying was that
women shouldn't expect to have it both ways - to expect their anecdotal stories
to be accepted, but to flatly reject men's which contradict their experiences.
Of course men shouldn't either.
Strawman #3 - What does the venue (soc.*) have to do with it?  I was under the
foolish delusion that both groups were forums where issues specific to that
gender could be discussed, *not* support groups and shoulders to cry on.
I don't agree with your definition of the charter of soc.women, apparently.
Tell you the truth, I don't perceive a hell of a lot of difference in what
gets posted to either group (with some exceptions, many threads seem to be
automatically crossposted to both groups).

-- 

#include <std_disclaimer.h>

Dan S.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: <ELLEN@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:   Query--killfiles for Penn State Netnews
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:23:06 GMT

   Only info I got from my previous post was to use Control-K to kill
a subject, which doesn't work from *within* Penn State Netnews.  Is there
anyone using this system who knows the killfile (and hopefully kill-author)
procedure for this specific system?
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: What can we expect from President Hillary Clinton?
Date: 1 Jan 1993 18:49:42 -0800
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys. at Law, San Mateo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com

In a recent missive news@mont.cs.missouri.edu tells us:
*In article <1i26fpINNesa@gw.home.vix.com>
*shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD) writes:
* 
*(regarding false allegations of abuse made against ex-husbands)
* 
*>We in the biz call this the "nuclear bomb" of the divorce/custody
*>war.  It's quick, it's easy, and it acheives the desired result:
*>immediate, and often permanent, removal of the 'enemy'.  Women love it.
*                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
* 
*Do *you* love the fact that it happens, Anne? Are you a woman? I find
*it deplorable and I'm a woman. I think that this topic, like the majority
*of topics that are thrown around here, suffers from too many generalizations
*(to make a generalization :) ).
*Making rash and unfounded statements about what a group of people do or think
*is doing nothing to promote understanding.
*Diane


Oops..sorry...I didn't mean to imply that *all* women love it..what I
meant was women as opposed to men.  This is *not* to say that men are
blameless, or anyone is better than anyone else..only that [again in
my experience] when a false allegation of molest is made, it's by
women, and against men, and not the other way around.

I apologize for the ambiguity.


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Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism,alt.women,soc.men,misc.legal
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: How to Protect Women
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.111124.7174@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>
>
>Here are some figures from 'Fatal Violence among Spouses in the
>Unites States', 1976-85, by Mercy & Saltzman
>
>                                        Victim
>Spouse Homicides                    Husband  Wives
>
>Single Victim Single Offender       7105     9262
>Multiple Victim Single Offender       10      218  <--- HUH?
>
>Ex-Spouse Homicides
>
>Single Victim Single Offender         131     195
>Multiple Victim Single Offender         0     100  <--- HUH?
>
>Other Spouse-Related Homicides
>
>Multiple Offender                      147     46
>Justifiable                            107      6
>
--
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 |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |
 |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." -- Niels Bohr
Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism,alt.women,soc.men,misc.legal
From: dsc@gemini.tmc.edu (Doug S. Caprette Bldg. 28 W191 x3892)
Subject: Re: How to Protect Women
Organization: NASA GSFC CDP VLBI
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:45:18 GMT

Pleas excuse me for folowing up to my own poost, but it seems that my questions
got left out:

>In article <1992Dec31.111124.7174@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>
>
>Here are some figures from 'Fatal Violence among Spouses in the
>Unites States', 1976-85, by Mercy & Saltzman
>
>                                        Victim
>Spouse Homicides                    Husband  Wives
>
>Single Victim Single Offender       7105     9262
>Multiple Victim Single Offender       10      218  <--- HUH?
>
>Ex-Spouse Homicides
>
>Single Victim Single Offender         131     195
>Multiple Victim Single Offender         0     100  <--- HUH?
>
>Other Spouse-Related Homicides
>
>Multiple Offender                      147     46
>Justifiable                            107      6
>

How can there be a single offender with multiple victims when the victims
are the spouse of the offender? 

Are we talking about people wiping out harems or what?

--
dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov  
 |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |
 |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Prediction is difficult, especially about the future." -- Niels Bohr


Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism,alt.women,soc.men,misc.legal
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: How to Protect Women
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:11:24 GMT

In article <bob1.725059087@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
)In <1992Dec21.042405.1584@fulcrum.oz.au> steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor) writes:
)
)>Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
)
)>>In my humble opinion, IF I were in an abusive relationship, I would LEAVE!  I
)>>would never allow it to degrade to a situation where I was in a life and death
)>>struggle and was forced to use deadly force in order to prevent someone from
)>>using deadly force against me.
)
)>It's not that simple. Leaving can be a risk in itself. Do you have the
)>courage to leave when you know that you're risking much more extreme
)>violence? Yes, leaving is the right thing to do, but it's no always safe.
)
)It sure isn't. Note that many of the stalking cases were women who
)elected to leave an abusive relationship, only to have the abuser
)track them down.

This seems rather alarmist to me.

Here are some figures from 'Fatal Violence among Spouses in the
Unites States', 1976-85, by Mercy & Saltzman

                                        Victim
Spouse Homicides                    Husband  Wives

Single Victim Single Offender       7105     9262
Multiple Victim Single Offender       10      218

Ex-Spouse Homicides

Single Victim Single Offender         131     195
Multiple Victim Single Offender         0     100

Other Spouse-Related Homicides

Multiple Offender                      147     46
Justifiable                            107      6

These are total figures (based on police reports - the Uniform Crime
reports - for a *10 year period*.) 

Though it is certainly important to see that justice is done in cases
of stalking leading to homicide, I think it is rather alarmist and
inappropriate to paint it as a common occurence.  (This is in spite of
the imperfections in the police report data which Mercy & Saltzman
discuss in their study, such as, for example, incosistency in police
classification an identification of common-law marriages.)

Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.feminism,talk.abortion
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: Parallel situations
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:49:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan02.044059.5171@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>In <1993Jan1.015955.117@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>
>>What you contributed, Mark, while perhaps true, is irrelevant to the issue at
>>hand.
>
>Actually, what Mark described is *exactly* what I've been talking about.

Then you have done an absymal job of expressing yourself, Larry. In
<1992Dec28.182701.28515@watson.ibm.com>, you said "...there is no financial 
obligation prior to birth." Mark Cochran, on the other hand, has said, in
<1992Dec29.210320.9276@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, "...there most certainly *is* 
formal billing of pregnancy costs before any child is born". If those two 
statements are compatible, it's certainly not obvious HOW...

								- Kevin
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.feminism,talk.abortion
From: jay@UUSERV.CC.UTAH.EDU (Jay Deuel)
Subject: Re: Parallel situations
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:02:59 GMT

>It has been said many times previously in this newsgroup (t.a) that the
>woman has the right of removal, not the right of destruction.  That the
>fetus is not capable of surviving on its own at the time of practically
>all abortions is just too bad for the fetus.

It seems odd to me that some would say it's too bad for the fetus if it
can't survive on its own, but an infant is protected by law because it
can't survive on its own.  Isn't birth just a natural form of abortion? =)

P.S. How about the Chicago couple that left their kids "home alone"?
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: cross posting
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:43:24 GMT

In article <92365.132107ELLEN@PURCCVM.BITNET> <ELLEN@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:
>     I just finished reading all 59 articles in soc.women (it's slow
>this time of year).  I routinely 'markall' posts so they will be removed
>in case I check later and only want to read new posts.  When I exited, I
>noticed that this action had removed 51 posts from soc.men.  So there were
>only 8 genuine posts to soc.women.   Does anyone know how to pre-select for
>dedicated posts, also how to remove certain authors, on vm (not mace)?

  I long ago realized the two groups were virtually the same, so now I read
only one.

Steve 

Newsgroups: soc.women