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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas everyone!
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:05:35 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

In article <1992Dec23.145225.22308@polaris.utu.fi>, Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
> In article <12158@scott.ed.ac.uk> Alexei Moiseyev, alexei@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
> writes:
>>	MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!
> 
> Pozdravljaju Vseh S Novym Godom i Rozhdestvom Hristosa!
> 
> Olli-Jukka Paloneva, Turku, Finljandija

This is the worst kind of abuse I ever heard on
this list !!!  To congratulate this honorable
audience with Papist "Christmas" especially
when Ms. Paloneva is well aware that the bulk
of this forum are either Jews or Orthodox Christians
is unbearable. We all, as one, should rebuff the
encroachments of pagans on our sacred feelings !

     

Serega
From: cl400@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Grall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Father Frost
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:52:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl400@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Grall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Can anyone enlighten me on this belief.  I read some time ago
that is the equivalent of our belief of Santa Claus.
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgarians, Bosnians, and Croats (was re: Wil
Date: 23 Dec 92 08:50:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec23.035034.18795
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <12180@spark.ed.ac.uk> 
iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:

>In article <1992Dec21.033927.18749@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>>Bulgarians are an authentic thorn in the side of the Baltic fascists:
>>Orthodox Christians, speaking a Southern Slavic language, but descended
>>from an ancient Finnish tribe, who conquered the Slavs of Moesia in the
>>seventh century C.E.; the facts are well-known, and incontrovertible.

>The facts are well-known and incontrovertible, except the above
>contains three grave errors: (1) the Proto-Bulgars were not a Finnish
>(or even Finnic), but a Turkic tribe, (2) they came to the south side
>of the River Danube as settlers, not as conquerors, and they became
>allies of the Slavic population in their struggle against Byzantium,
>and (3) since the Slavs were much more numerous than the Bulgars,
>present-day Bulgarians are descendants of the Slavs to a much higher
>degree than they are descendants of the Bulgars.

(1)	The difference is moot.
(2)	The difference is moot.
(3)	The difference is moot.

For different reasons, to be sure.

>-- 
> `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
>Ivan A Derzhanski  (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)    Gospel)
>* Centre for Cognitive Science,  2 Buccleuch Place,  Edinburgh EH8 9LW,  UK
>* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:17:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec20.122404.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:

>What do you know about 'otkazniks'?  I was one of them, and I should tell
>you, that our main goal was to get positive opinion from the West, rather
>then from Sovok's. 

  What I know won't allow me to qualify you as "one of them". "Otkazniks"
  existed back in 60-80's, but not in 1989. They were people who were 
  refused in exit to Israel.  In addition to that they got fired from 
  jobs and were kept in this situation for several years. That was the 
  price they paid. Your case is different. The fear you faced was 
  15 days (at most) in jail for the disturbance of the society -
  - "narushenie obschestvennogo porjadka".  But you right, you didn't
  care of the opinion from "sovoks" since your "demonstration" was a 
  back door to the American Embassy -- I remember looong lines, in fact,
  demonstration, in front of the Embassy building. Didn't want to stay in
  the line, did you? In Russian it's called - "hitrozhopyi".
  Now, the question - what the hell did you know back then that separates 
  you from "Sovoks"?

  So, ne primazyvajsja k slave.

> I remember a demonstration near Lenin's library in
>Moscow, which was surrounded by journalists from the States. 

  Incidently, I remember it too. Passed by in a car. What can I say,
  stupid slogans - bunch of morons want to emigrate, da i hui s nimi.
  No threat from police forces, though.

> Later, they
>printed the names of us in some Chicago newspaper, and it definitely help
>us to get status 'refugee' among the first in Dec.1990 (about 3 month after
>they decided to close Italian-Austrian way).

  What a hero you are. But you see, the definition of "refugee" from the
  point of view of the INS, and the definition of "otkaznik" differ so much,
  that you're still not one of them. What you've done is refused to stay in
  line in the US embassy, what to "otkazniks" were done is that they were
  refused in the right to emigrate. 

>Michael Martynov.

 S.B.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mashina <novost@halcyon.com>
Subject: S_E_d_a-R
Originator: novost@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:44:02 GMT

Is the above mentioned an AI Program?  I typically do not read
most of his stuff, but my curiosity about this idea got the
better of me and I made the following observation.  In his last
6 or 7 postings I have not noticed on single spelling error or
typo mistake.  Is this true of his (its?) rendering of Russian
into the Latin Alphabet?

                            Jeff
/send
/edit
/d 9
edit
\edit
?
/print
\print
~print
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11665 k12.lang.russian:639
From: nobby@hardy.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,k12.lang.russian
Subject: New version of RCAT available
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:09:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

New version of the cyrillic viewer for VT220 terminal is available for 
anonymous FTP at jam.cog.brown.edu, directory pub/ruscat. 
Many bugs have been fixed.  See README file for downloading instructions.

Please report all problems to shmat@cog.brown.edu (NOT jam.cog.brown.edu). 
All inquiries about the program per se should be directed to the author 
(psumnsky@bimacs.cs.biu.ac.il).
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: BUYING RUBLES
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:52:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.15237.2b3d98e8
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> adam@zooid.guild.org (Adam Lawrence Salter) writes:
>>> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>>> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>>>>> I am collecting foreign currencies....if interested, please contact me
>>>>> by e-mail.                            
>>>>
>>>> And me is collecting local one as well...if interested, please contact me
>>>>by e-mail.                            
>>>>
>>>>Serega
>>> 
>>>   Well, I'll sell you a mint condition $100 bill for $1000. This may seem
>>> expensive but I'm sure you know what collectors will pay for items as rare as
>>> this! ;->
>>>                                                         adam
>>
>>  I couldn't find proper words to express my limitless gratitude
>>for this royal offer. Sure I would be able to struck a deal with you.
>>Send me your $100 bill and I promise it will occupy a honorable place
>>in my collection. In my turn I will order $1000 in valuable goods
>>be delivered to your premises no later than you hit the bucket.
>>
>>Serega
> 
>   Hmm, I've thought about it and I'll agree on the condition that you will
> take my word for the fact that I am quite dead.
>                                                             adam

  I see the gentleman (gentleman sees gentleman from far away).
We can go ahead with our deal based on mutual trust, as gentlemen.
I'll take your word for the fact that you discontinued your
presence in this world, while you of course will take my
word for the fact that above-mentioned valuable goods are
indeed valuable.

Looking forward to receiving
your $100 bill,
Serega
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11720 talk.politics.soviet:10120 soc.culture.europe:10933
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Russian Speakers in Estonia
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:09:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Sorokin.37.725931368@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at> Sorokin@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at (Sorokin Zhenya) writes:

> the possibility of gaining independance. Due to some purely coincidental 
> factors some of them got it, some not. So, the rights for independence of,
> say, Armenia, Croatia, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia... (alphabetical 
> order) are to my mind equal. Situation for balts is simply easier because 
> of previous recognition.

Does this apply to Chechens and Tatars too or only to white
Europeans and not to 'asiatics' ?

> respect to law, etc. (I like it!). Mentality of rusians, urkranians, etc. 
> are much more asiatic in almost all respects (unfortunately). The only 
> solution is assimilation. Fortunately, russians normally easily 

I guess 'asiatic' does not include Chinese, Japanese, Koreans
etc. So far no one I know has ever said anything about their
attitude of non-obeyance of laws. The Confucian ethic stands
very clearly on the side of law.

I suppose by 'asiatic' you meant some other people. Please
elaborate on how it is that you view 'asiatics' as being
much different than law-abiding Germans and other
fine European folks. Are Arabs and Israelis also a part
of the non-law-abiding 'asiatic' hordes ?

Who else is included ?
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Father Frost - the evil messenger of the Old Ones
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:06:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1hau4jINNitv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl400@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Grall) writes:
>
>Can anyone enlighten me on this belief.  I read some time ago
>that is the equivalent of our belief of Santa Claus.
>
Hmm... The best phonetic equivalent of Ded Moroz (Father Frost)
is:
	DEAD MOROSE
You can figure out yourself how much may this guy have in common
with Santa. However, some people claim that Santa is misspelled
Satan.

In other words, read "The Festival" by H.P.Lovecraft to learn where
all the stuff comes from. Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.

"Face one more evil than thou
Drink my blood as I drink yours
Impale me on the horns of Death
Cut off my head
Release all my evil
Unduk rules forever
Merry Xmas....

:@) :@) :@) :@) :@) :@) :@)

-- 
---
Thus spake Kalmoth the Dreaded, Bane of the Forests of Gnoy.
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Apology to Croats and their supporters
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:31:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec26.203155.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <15206.2b371a92@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.111855.1@jaguar.uofs.edu>, mam18@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:
>> I screwed up! I screwed up! I screwed up!
>> 
>> My apology to everybody, who knows that Croatians are Catholic and
>> Bosnians are Muslim...  Brainfart, you  know...
>> 
>> Yet... I repeat, yet, Bulgars are NOT Slavs!!!
> 
> This is just the matter of convention. If fellow Bulgars
> didn't consider themselves Slavs, then they were not.
> If fellow Bulgarians do consider themselves Slavs, then
> they are, no matter how often you will repeat the opposite.
> 
>> 
>> Michael Martynov.
> 
> Serega

Bulgarians are slave or are mostly by blood and by language.. The original
Bulgar were turkish if I remeber right.. OR whats that Uralic.. But they were
few and intermingled and became slavic over the years..
Maybe there is some who still consider themselves Bulgar (Turk or Tartar).

Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Balkan/Baltic analogy, or lack thereof
Date: 2 Jan 93 11:20:34 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Sorokin Zhenya (Sorokin@ps1.iaee.tuwien.ac.at) writes:
))You give no reasons for your opinion. Might it be that the Soviet Union was
))expelled from the League of Nations when it attacked Finland in 1939?
)
)No it might not. Activity of the League of Nations was much wider than SU
)aggression vs. Finland. It swallowed, for example, remilitarization of
)Germany, Muenchen, etc. It supported Serbia over Croatia all along.

Germany had by then already left the League of Nations. Serbia vs.
Croatia was an entirely internal Yugoslavian affair.

))The roots of the conflict go even deeper in history (Turkish empire and
))things like that). Still, there are no occupation forces in Yugoslavia
))as a remnant of the WW II, as there still are in Baltics.
)
)Serbian forces in Croatia are occupants from before the WW II,
)reproduced after the WW II with a short interval of Croatian Ustasha State.
)Soviet forces in Baltic are occupants from before the WW II, reproduced
)after the the WW II with a short interval of German occupation.

Your analogy is based on a total misconception of the Balkan problem,
so we have to conclude that you are either ignorant, or simply lying.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Jag gav en k{ck tjeck en check.
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:    . .
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:41:01 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

andrey@leonid.stavropol.su (Mishchenko Andrey Leonidovich) writes:
>               !
>        .
> ,     -
>        -
> .       -
> .
>   ,   .
> 

    .
    .

  , .

 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11661 talk.politics.soviet:10061 soc.culture.europe:10879
From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Soviet military training
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:15:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

>In article <1992Dec28.131125.3554@polaris.utu.fi>, Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi> writes:
>> 
>> Those who did not succeed in getting in universi-
>> ties or did not succeed in bying ie bribing medical
>> certicate had to go to army.
>>...................... 
>> Only reliable troops of the Soviet army were professionals
>> and special troops like parachutists and frontier troops
>> controlled by KGB. I would say that it was and probably
>> is the only organisation that worked very well within the
>> system.
>> 
>> Many youngsters of big cities could avoid military service
>> through bribery and connections needed to get into univer-
>> sities.
>> 
>> I'll bet our Sovok heroes are one of them unless anything else
>> is proved.
>> 
>> Olli

   You seem to be relatively  knowledgable for a foreigner, but
as most of them you don't seem to fully understand what you are
talking about. For your info, in 1984-1988 all the students were
subject to the draft - even the Moscow State University students !
   There were always some people around who could avoid the draft,
but they were by far the minority.
   Your assertion that only the professional units were any good,
has some grounds, but is again an exaggeration.
   As compared to you, I've been there (for 2 years rather than weeks)
and know way much better what I am talking about.
Michael.
From: mahadeva@chimi.engr.ucdavis.edu (Vimalan Mahadevan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: looking for Armenian teaching materials
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:09:17 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I am interested in finding out teaching materials for the Armenian language.
Could anyone send me references or direct me to an appropriate source?  I am
particularly interested in books, audio cassettes, etc. geared for the English
speaker.

Vim


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.veterans,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.soviet
From: kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:59:50 GMT

muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <kosinov.724976519@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>>  Can Mr. Borodin, or anybody else point out ANY contempory writings about Jewish
>>life that were published at that time? 

>Or, plenty. 90% of books published in Soviet time were about life of _Soviet_
>people. Neither russians, Ukrainians or Jews, but _soviets_. Some of them were
>written  by Jews. Mostly in Russian. So what? 99% of Jews in Russia have and
>ever had better command of Russian than Hebrew, why would they write in Hebrew?
>When some of them were given a choice which language to write on, most choose
>... Russian, with English as second choice. 

>Now, who in the hell started this stupid discussion again?

>Yury M.

  I am not sure which books Mr. Mukharsky was reading, but the ones I was had
people in them with real-sounding names (Ivanov, Chelidze, etc.), and not Homo
Soveticus #10, or something. Morover, although the theme of the New Soviet Man
was pushed profusely, in many of these books the traditional culture of the 
people came through quite clearly. Thus, for example, numerous books were
written about the Russian peasant. Also, in one of his short stories, wonderful
Russian writer Vasily Shukshin wrote about a senceless destruction of Russian
church (and, although he wrote about it better then others, that's why I remember
his story in particular, this was a recurring theme).
  So now I return to my question which Mr. Mukharsky mocked: Can anyone name me
any book -- written in Russian, Kalmyk, Native Papuan, or anything else -- which
dealt with a life of a Soviet Jew and/or with the culture of contemporary Russian
Jewry, that was published in USSR? Remember, I want just one, not "plenty".

						 Greg.

 P.S. I inadvertainly started this "stupid discussion" (I agree that it's stupid,
by the way) by objecting to the statement that Russians suffered MORE than
others. I have no problem with the statement that Russians suffered, but I'll
never buy that they suffered more.
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Zadachka: pro sifilitika
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:03:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0AFDG.4xx.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

Once a guy decided to sleep with 3 gals consiquently during a night, so he
invited them to a party. Suddenly, he found out that :
1. All gals have venerial deseases of different types,
2. He also has one of the fourth type,
3. He has only 2 condoms.
The question : how he can satisfy all the three, not infecting anybody with
a new desease ?

The first correct answerer will be awarded 10-ruble premia ( a wonderful coin ). 

Concerning the previous enigma : "What poor people use to throw out, and rich
people use to collect", Vadim Kaplunov from the University of Texas, Austin,
was the first to give the right answer. Rich people are collecting their
snivells in handkerchiefs, while others are throwing them out into a sink or
on the ground. Vadim was awarded 10-ruble premia and an honarary title.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11335 talk.politics.soviet:9876 soc.culture.europe:10657
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Russian Speakers in Estonia: The Linguistic Approach.
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:09:21 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Dec20.181605.24654@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se 
(Erland Sommarskog) writes:

> If you are talking every-day life, you are probably right that there
> are many situations where the Russians face a negative attitude because
> of their language. But don't you think that it might have something
> to do with the fact that the Estonians associate 50 years of oppression
> with the Russian language? 

Only one curiosity:
The Estonian communist party (which was neither "Estonian", nor "communist",
nor "party") held it's first plenary session in Estonian in September 1988
- during the so-called "singing revolution".


> This association may or may not be correct,
> but what I am interested to know is: do you have any understanding
> for such sentiments?


The question Erland has posed is an important one indeed! I would
be glad to hear more Russian reflections on this. The Russians have
to accept the fact that many Russians have to live abroad - but can you
understand the feelings and different kind of language legislations
of small countries that have a Russian-speaking minority?

asks 
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay)
Subject: Area code and time differrence in Petrozavodsk, Russia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:43:57 GMT

My friend needs to call someone in Petrozavodsk, Russia.

Would someone tell me how to make the phone call, what is the area code(He
told me he got only a 5-digit number, there must be an area code), what is
the country code for Russia if calling from USA, and what is the time
difference between US/Central and Patrozavodsk, Russia.

Since my friends does not have internet access, I post this request for him.
Please e-mail me or post it here. I would appreciate it.

Thanks.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Communism as a Russian guilt (racist conception)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:14:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <kosinov.725057990@ceg.uiuc.edu> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

> P.S. I inadvertainly started this "stupid discussion" (I agree that it's stupid,
>by the way) by objecting to the statement that Russians suffered MORE than
>others. I have no problem with the statement that Russians suffered, but I'll
>never buy that they suffered more.

  That's fine with me. Currently we are living in the environment
  of free market economy - don't wonna buy, then don't buy, that's
  all.

  How 'bout to talk about women, a? Since we all agree that the
  discussion is quite stupid.  Nu, nadoelo pro evreev, sil net.
  Nu, da, da bolshe vseh oni stradali. I prodolzhajut stradat'
  v silu novogo rastsveta antisemitisma. I na rodinu, v Israel 
  ih ne puskali. I na pshenitsu obmenivali. I knigi na Hebrew
  ne pechatali. I sinagogi rushili.  Nu vse, mozhet ostanovimsja?
  Pro bab pogovorim. Uzh ih-to my vse ved' lubim. Po nozhke-to
  pogladish - prijatno. I dokazyvat' nichego ne nado - vse i tak
  ponjatno.

  S.B.