From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Access to English schools
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:25:25 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Sep3.144559.26027@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>From article <Bu0DH7.4wI@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
>> In article <1992Sep2.215130.12179@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>>From article <BtywH3.8o@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
>>>>
>>>> There is some trouble at the level of language.  Immigrant anglophones
>>>> may feel discriminated in regards of natives anglophones, but since they
>>>> choosed to come here, then they should not complain (i.e. they choosed
>>>> their situation).
>>>
>>>NO! They did not! - They are not informed of the situation here before
>>>they come!
>>>
>> 
>> Why don't you tell us WHY they are not informed?
>> 
>
>A group of parents whose children are denied access to English schools
>recently met with Quebec's Immigration Minister, Monique Gagnon-Tremblay.
>
>We asked Mrs. Gagnon-Tremblay just exactly that question.
>
>She did not have an answer but gave a vague assurance that steps would be
>taken ...

WHy don't you answer my question?  WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHY THEY
ARE NOT INFORMED BEFORE THEY COME? >

>>>> I think what hurts most the anglophones are the fact that now a lot
>>>> of them will have to learn French to keep social status.
>>>
>>>How does this hurt them?
>> 
>> Because changing from a privileged status to a non-privileged status.
>> 
>
>If I understand what Denis appears to be saying:
>
>The social status of anglophones who learn French changes from privileged
>to non-privileged.
>
>Let's try it another way:
>
>Anglophones who learn French are hurt because, by doing so, their social
>status changes from privileged to non-privileged.
>
>What a strange perspective.
>
>Maybe I misunderstood.

Perhaps, you don't want to understand?
>
>>>
>>>> .... school in French for immigrants
>>>> results of a choice by the same immigrants.
>>>
>>>NO! It is not a choice!
>> 
>> Yes, it is a choice.  Your choice of Quebec among the complete
>> earth as places to immigrate.
>> 
>
>Well, in that sense you are right.
>
>I suppose the same logic might persuade anglo-phobic francophiles in
>Canada that they might be happier in France?

SO, MY ANCESTERS ARE HERE FOR 300 YEARS.  YOU ARE HERE FROM 10 YEARS.
AND ***I*** MUST LEAVE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE OUR LAWS?????
YOU ARE KIDDING, AS USUAL!!!!!
>
>> If some spanish thought all the south america is spanish speaking and
>> immigrate to Brasil, will he have to blame the brasil for not
>> allowing his child to go to spanish school?  No.  He shall blame
>> himself for not being better informed, or he shall blame those who
>> informed him.
>> 
>
>Are public Spanish schools available in Brazil?
>
>Is Spanish an official language in Brazil?

Quebec official language is French.  period.  We don't have to 
give services in English to immigrants because there are 9 other provinces
where they can get what they want.
>
>I believed Quebec had a thriving English community before I came here.
>
>I wouldn't have come if the Referendum had not indicated that the
>people of Quebec had chosen to remain a part of Canada. (That was the
>interpretation given on British TV at the time)

You were cheated.  I apologize for pour coverage by british media.
But it is not the problem of Quebec.  Or at least Quebec is not
responsible if british media is lying. 
>
>I believed Montreal was very cosmopolitain with the strongest cultures
>being French and English.
>
>I was inteviewed in English and all the correspondence I received was
>in English or was in English and French.
>
>I was not told that there was a "nationalist" movement in Quebec, bent on

So, it was some fairy that requested the referendum in 1980?  It was some
fairy that voted?  

>the destruction of the English language in Quebec, with sufficient political

You use here some demagogical wording. 

>power to have the language banned on commercial signs, force the decline
>of the English school system in the province, and generally make English
>people unwelcome and unwanted, and attempt to kidnap (No, I'd better use
>les inflammatory language: assimilate) their offspring.

YOU COME HERE FREELY.  PLEASE SOME COMPLAINING ABOUT OUR LAWS!  
>
>> It is the responsability of an
>> immigrant to learn something about where he is emigrating.  And if he
>> is lied, he should blame those who lied, not things about which the
>> other person lied.
>> 
>
>Attempting to place the blame is not very productive. 

Then, why are you blaming francophones of fighting for survival of their
language?

>
>The situation exists and must be dealt with.
>
>Let me put it simply:-
>
>There is an English community here with its own school system.
>
>I am English.

Go back to your land if you want an absolute respect of your englishness.

>
>I want to be accepted as English and have my children educated in their
>own language schools.
>
>I learned French (not perfectly) at school.

And you use it twice a year? 
>
>I want my children to learn French at school too.

Why protesting in that case?
>
>I like Montreal. It is the most European city in North America and I
>don't want to live anywhere else on the continent.
>
>I DO NOT understand why people like Denis can not accomodate us.
>People like us make up less than 1 percent of the Quebec population.
>
I DO NOT understand why I continue to answer to your posting.
You learn French as a second language and are unable to use it
to communicate and you continue to pretend learning French as a
second language is as good as first language.
>
>
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>  ///==================================================================\\\
>  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
>  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
>  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||

Sorry Steve.  This is the last time I answer to your posting.
I will check the readnews manual for how to include a poster name
in the kill file.  So long.

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