HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Glazer)
Subject: a (new?) type of puzzle
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:40:34 GMT

I was planning on posting this to rec.puzzles, but on finishing 
it decided it "felt" more like a crossword.  So:  I welcome
commentary on the following puzzle (and challenge you to create
your own.)

-------------------------------------------------------------
Magic Hexagon                                 by Scott Glazer

Fill in each space ([*****]) with a word.  Words connected by
a line will form a common two-word phrase or a compound word, 
defined by the clues below.   Which word is first and which is
second is up to you to determine.  A word can be first in one 
phrase and second in another.
                     
       [*****]                  
      /   |   \                  
     1    |    2          
    /     |     \
 [*****]  3   [*****]
    | \   |    / |
    |  4  |   5  |
    |   \ |  /   |
    6  [*****]   7
    |   /   \    |
    |  8  |  9   |
    | /   |   \  |
 [*****]  10  [*****]
    \     |     /
     11   |    12
      \   |   /
       [*****]   

1.  Donation
2.  What Superman can turn coal into diamonds with
3.  Tennis stroke
4.  Wilderness down under
5.  Saddleless
6.  Lose traction
7.  Unadorned
8.  "English"
9.  Guts
10. Football position
11. Aerobatic accident?
12. Rear end




Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords,rec.puzzles
From: hudu@well.sf.ca.us (Scott Marley)
Subject: Re: NPR PuzzleMaster - address needed
Keywords: Sunday Weekend Edition
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:25:36 GMT

In <Nov.8.13.36.12.1992.11611@cadenza.rutgers.edu> masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:

>Can someone send me the address for the PuzzleMaster from the Sunday
>NPR morning show?

>Thanks,
>- Steve Masticola (masticol@cs.rutgers.edu).

You can write to Will Shortz at Games Magazine in New York City, where he's
the editor-in-chief.  I don't have the address handy, but it's in the
magazine.

Scott Marley
hudu@well.sf.ca.us
From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
Subject: ACC13
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: asuvax.1992Nov6.192600.29449
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe


My clue barely having escaped anal abuse (er, getting
its ass kicked) in ACC12, I have survived to offer you a:

   Welcome to Araucaria Clueing Competition Number 13

To enter, write a cryptic clue for the word given below 
(only one clue per person, please).  Email it to me at 

           kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu

along with a description of how the clue works.  If
the clue is overly complicated, don't be afraid of
insulting my intelligence:  Please explain it
carefully and in excrutiating detail.  Your clue
must be received no later than:

   Monday, 16 Nov 92 23:59 MST (Tuesday 06:59 GMT)

I'll post my choice of winning clue soon after that,
and an annotated list of all the clues I receive.
The winner will be invited to judge the next ACC.
When you send in your clue, please indicate whether
you would be willing to judge the next contest.


The phrase to clue (disguised in rot13 mode) is:




















FRCNENGR



I like clues that sound as close to normal English
conversation as possible, whenever feasible (eg. in
anagrams and charades).  Obviously there are other
types of clues where this wouldn't apply.

I don't like the use of hopelessly obscure definitions
and clue fragments.  I prefer you show how clever and
devious you can be with reasonably normal English
language rather than how much useless trivia you've
managed to memorize.  Where to draw the line is
difficult to discern; for example, I have no problem
with the use of very elementary foreign words.
I guess it's the difference between expecting the
solver to be a reasonably literate and educated person
and expecting him or her to be a walking, talking
Britannica/Chambers CD rom.

Put differently, if your clue were in a puzzle and
someone gave up and looked up the answer, better they
say "Clever and deceptive as this clue is, how stupid
I feel for not getting it!" than "Well heck, I don't
feel bad at all.  How am I to be expected to know that
an ixia is a South American plant?"

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: steiner@andy.bgsu.edu (Ray Steiner)
Subject: Re: CWC 23: The Winners!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:18:39 GMT

It was pointed out to me that I made some gaffes in my
winners posting yesterday.
First, the winner of the Latent Letters section was

Steve Grady(grady@lotus.com). Congratulations, Steve.

Second, I inadvertently posted the answer to the clue
when I listed the winners. I sincerely apologise for
these mistakes and if I moderate another contest I
will try to be more careful!
Ray Steiner
-- 
steiner@andy.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
Subject: Re: CWC 23
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:14:08 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Hillis)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Nov6.025638.16206@megadata.mega.oz.au>,
scott@megadata.mega.oz.au (Scott Humphreys) writes:
> From article <1992Nov3.001721.25128@quantime.co.uk>,
> by roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips):
> > In article <Bx3pF7.Eo8@andy.bgsu.edu>,
> > steiner@andy.bgsu.edu (Ray Steiner) writes:
> >> A Letters Latent (LL) clue is one in which
> >> the answer is to be left out wherever it occurs in the grid.
> > 
> > As becomes clear from the examples given,
> > a LL clue actually leads to a word
> > from which a _letter_ is to be omitted wherever it occurs,
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > to give the mutilated form entered in the grid.
> 
> Now I am confused - for an answer like 'LOLLIPOP', if I leave
> out the 'L', should the answer be OIPOP, or OLLIPOP (or others
> with ONE L missing) or OIPOP rearranged (are rearrangments allowed ?).

[Oh dear.
I thought I'd struck a balance between clarity and concision.
I didn't give examples because Ray's made it clear.]

Using your example, LOLLIPOP with L latent gives OIPOP.
(Some puzzles leave only one instance of a letter out, eg LOLIPOP,
but saying "wherever it occurs",
as "standard" LL descriptions do, rules that out.)

There is no rearrangement.

-- 
Roger Hillis                              roger@quantime.co.uk
"*mutilate* v.t. to deform by slitting, boring, or removing a part"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: msm@src.dec.com (Mark S. Manasse)
Subject: Re: PCWC 4 Ballot
Reply-To: msm@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:51:57 GMT


Ack!  Please disregard the ballot message; it isn't supposed to go out
until tomorrow, and there are still more submissions on their way in.

Mea maxima culpa!

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Cryptic Name Game (not a contest)
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:28:27 GMT

There's still time!  Send me a cryptic clue for your name!  Do it now!

I have to say that the ones I've gotten so far have been good and hard.
Because the plaintext names will be included in the puzzle, you can
be as tricky as you like.  

> Here's the plan:  send me your name, and a cryptic clue for it.  As
> the definition part of the clue, use any appropriate definition: 
> man, woman, student, scientist, whatever.  Don't include the number
> of letters in the answer, as that will make it too easy.  
> 
> I'll collect names and clues until November 18th.  Then, I'll mix
> 'em up into a column of clues and a column of answers.  Your job is
> to match the name with the clue.  (Don't send them to me, this is
> for your own satisfaction.)  I'll post answers November 23d.

-- 
/\     There may be honor among thieves, but there's none among politicians.
  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
      \______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: scott@megadata.mega.oz.au (Scott Humphreys)
Subject: Re: CWC 23
Originator: scott@sarah
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:56:38 GMT

From article <1992Nov3.001721.25128@quantime.co.uk>, by roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips):
> In article <Bx3pF7.Eo8@andy.bgsu.edu>,
> steiner@andy.bgsu.edu (Ray Steiner) writes:
>> A Letters Latent (LL) clue is one in which
>> the answer is to be left out wherever it occurs in the grid.
> 
> As becomes clear from the examples given,
> a LL clue actually leads to a word
> from which a _letter_ is to be omitted wherever it occurs,
             ^^^^^^^^^^
	     ||||||||||
> to give the mutilated form entered in the grid.
> 
Now I am confused - for an answer like 'LOLLIPOP', if I leave
out the 'L', should the answer be OIPOP, or OLLIPOP (or others
with ONE L missing) or OIPOP rearranged (are rearrangments allowed ?).

Cheers, Scott.
-- 
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
Subject: CWC24
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:43:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: asuvax.1992Nov11.004301.6872
Organization: crosswords


         CLUE WRITING COMPETITION NUMBER 24

Welcome to Clue Writing Competition No. 24 (devised by Ian Gent).  The
rules, and this article, are much the same as used in earlier rounds.

The dates for CWC 24 are:

  Wednesday 18 November  23:59 MST   Deadline for CWC24 entries
  Thursday  19 November              I'll post the CWC24 winners
  Thursday  19 November              I'll post an annotated list of entries.

The rules:

Later on in this posting you'll find two words.  The first word is
chosen to be fairly easy to write a clue for; the second is intended to
be more awkward.

You may submit clues for either or both words.  I will accept only one
clue per person for each word; If you send more than one for a word, I
will accept the first one I receive.  E-mail the clues, along with your
name and e-mail address, clear explanations of how your clues work, and
whether or not you could run the next contest, to me at the following
address:

             kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu

After the deadline, I'll pick my favorite clue for each word; thus
there will be two winning clues.  I'll pick my favorite of these two as
the overall winner, inviting its writer to set the next round of this
competition.  I'll post separately a list of runner-up clues, and all
the remaining clues, with as much commentary as I see fit.

IMPORTANT: Please DO NOT post your own clues, or anything else that
might give away the answer words!  Some readers of this group want to
try solving the winning clues; please don't spoil it for them.

The words for CWC24 follow, "rot13" encoded for extra security,





















CEVAPVCNY

PBEEBOBENGR




_________________________________________________________________
Since people don't seem to like words that are TOO difficult,
the second word isn't all that much more difficult than the
first.  If it's too easy, whoever runs the next CWC can pick
a hair-puller.

Short version of obligatory preference speech: I like clues
that read well.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: msm@src.dec.com (Mark S. Manasse)
Subject: Winning clue for ACC #12
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:12:10 GMT



The winning clue this time out is:

Lad's sanity restored after a long holiday (3,6,3)

Ralph Kennedy <kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> is our winner, and next 
moderator.

The full clue list follows in the next message.

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: steiner@andy.bgsu.edu (Ray Steiner)
Subject: CWC 23: The Winners!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:03:05 GMT

Here are the winners for CWC 23:
Normal Cryptic:

Nickel a point and the young man gets nothing in the crib!(8)
(NI         NE          TEEN          def.)

(In cribbage a worthless crib is called NINETEEN, since it
is impossible to score exactly nineteen points.)

by Ralph Kennedy(kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu)

Latent letters:

"Northeast again and again... Icy front swirling. Getting number."(8)
(Latent letter T)

Of the two I have selected Ralph Kennedy's clue to be the overall
winner and I hereby invite him to begin CWC 24.
A list of all clues with explanations and constructive remarks
will be posted shortly.
Ray Steiner
-- 
steiner@andy.bgsu.edu
From: steiner@andy.bgsu.edu (Ray Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
Subject: Re: CWC 23
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:34:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BxAzEB.4wC
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

scott@megadata.mega.oz.au (Scott Humphreys) writes:

>From article <1992Nov3.001721.25128@quantime.co.uk>, by roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips):
>> In article <Bx3pF7.Eo8@andy.bgsu.edu>,
>> steiner@andy.bgsu.edu (Ray Steiner) writes:
>>> A Letters Latent (LL) clue is one in which
>>> the answer is to be left out wherever it occurs in the grid.
>> 
>> As becomes clear from the examples given,
>> a LL clue actually leads to a word
>> from which a _letter_ is to be omitted wherever it occurs,
>             ^^^^^^^^^^
>	     ||||||||||
>> to give the mutilated form entered in the grid.
>> 
>Now I am confused - for an answer like 'LOLLIPOP', if I leave
>out the 'L', should the answer be OIPOP, or OLLIPOP (or others
>with ONE L missing) or OIPOP rearranged (are rearrangments allowed ?).

If the word is LOLLIPOP ALL the L's are gone if the L is latent
so we would get OIPOP in the grid.No rearrangements are allowed.
I hope this clears up the confusion!
Look at my example 3: We have STATISTS with T latent so
the form in the grid is SAISS.
Ray Steiner

-- 
steiner@andy.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
From: Dave Dodson <dodson@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Sum of Numbers
Originator: dodson@bach.convex.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:51:52 GMT
Reply-To: dodson@convex.COM (Dave Dodson)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov12.183833.13492@venus.ic.cmc.ca> antosz@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca writes:
>
>		 7  1 15  9 <-- =  32
>		12  6  4 14 <-- =  36
>		13 11  5  3 <-- =  32
>		 2 16 10  8 <-- =  36

                 ^  ^  ^  ^
		 |  |  |  |
                 =  =  =  =      
                34 34 34 34

Doesn't look like a magic square to me.  Diagonals don't add up to 34,
which is the required sum, either.  I think you algorithm is good only
for magic squares of odd size, such as 3x3, 5x5, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Dave Dodson		                             dodson@convex.COM
Convex Computer Corporation      Richardson, Texas      (214) 497-4234
From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Cliff Puzzle 17: Weird Recursive Sequence
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:31:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov7.173132.17208
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.


In article <1992Nov06.160358.101157@watson.ibm.com> cliff@watson.ibm.com
(cliff pickover) writes: 

>a(n) = a(a(n-1)) + a(n-a(n-1))

>The prolific mathematician John H Conway presented this              
>recursive sequence at a recent talk entitled "Some Crazy Sequences."  He
>noticed that the value a(n)/n approaches 1/2 as the sequence grows and n
>becomes larger.  Can you find a value, N, above which the sequence the
>value of a(n)/n is always within 0.05 of the value 1/2?
>John Conway offered $10,000 to the person to find the s-m-a-l-l-e-s-t
>such N. A month after Conway made the offer, Colin Mallows of AT&T
>solved the $10,000 question:  N = 3,173,375,556. 

This is incorrect.  Mallows did solve the problem, but his answer is
not the number you list above. See his article in the January 1991
issue of American Mathematical Monthly.

>Manfred Shroeder has noted that the sequence is "replete with appealing
>self-similarities that contain the clue to the problem's solution."

The sequence is connected with all of the following: variants of
Pascal's triangle, the Gaussian distribution, combinatorial operations
on finite sets, and Catalan numbers.  Ravi Vakil and I have found a very
simple characterization of  a(n); as a corollary, we can state the exact
asymptotic behavior, and have a simple algorithm to answer Conway's
original problem, for any given upper bound.  Anyone who would like to
receive a copy of our paper (about 15 pages in AMSLaTex) should contact me
by e-mail at the address below.  By the way, did Schroeder make the above
comment on Conway's sequence in his book on chaos and fractals? The
sequence has rather smooth asymptotic behavior, and is anything but
chaotic.

>As I write this, no-one on the planet has found a value for the 
>smallest N such that a(n)/n is always within 0.01 of the value 1/2.

 e      Last  n  such that   |a(n)/n - 1/2| > e
----    ----------------------------------------------------------
1/20    1489  (found by Mallows in 1988)
1/30    758765
1/40    6083008742  (found by Mallows in 1988)
1/50    809308036481621
1/60    1684539346496977501739
1/70    55738373698123373661810220400
1/80    15088841875190938484828948428612052839
1/90    127565909103887972767169084026274554426122918035
1/100   8826608001127077619581589939550531021943059906967127007025

These values were found in a few minutes, using a Mathematica
program running on a Sun 4.   The program is about 15 lines long,
and is available on request.

-Tal Kubo     kubo@math.harvard.edu   or  kubo@zariski.harvard.edu
Date: Tuesday, 10 November 1992 22:30:49 PDT
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.06
From: "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@anton.infoserv.com>
Organization: Ishi Press International
Subject: Re: Where to get a catalog of puzzles
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Distribution: world

In <1992Nov7.024122.24307@chiton.ucsd.edu>, cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein)  wrote:
> 
> In article <765281d8210938t3@anton.infoserv.com> "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@anton.infoserv.com> writes:
> >Anyone who is interested in a catalog of over a hundred puzzles
> >can obtain one from Ishi Press International by emailing me, or
> >writing:
> >
> >	Ishi Press International
> >	76 Bonaventura Drive
> >	San Jose, CA  95134
> >
> >Make sure you ask for a PUZZLE catalog, as the other half of our
> >business is strategy games like Go, Shogi, Chinese Chess and Mah Jong.
> 
> Are you sure of your e-mail address?
> anton@anton.infoserv.com does not work for me.
> The derived address
> uunet!infoserv!anton!anton also does not work.
> 
> 
>         carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diego
>         {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl                 cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu
>                                                   clowenstein@ucsd.edu
> 
> -- 

Apparently the correct address is anton@infoserv.com.

Don't ask me why, I just work here.

Anton

---
---------------------------------------------------------------

Anton Dovydaitis
Ishi Press International
From: grue@cs.uq.oz.au (Pauli Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Word sequence
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:56:53 GMT
Reply-To: grue@cs.uq.oz.au

grue@cs.uq.oz.au (Pauli Dale) writes:

>Barry.John.Good@brunel.ac.uk (Barry John Good) writes:

>>I hope this isn't an FAQ, but what's the longest sequence of 4-letter words 
>>that you can find such that the last three letters of each word are the
>>first three letters of the next in the sequence?


>The longest I've found for four letter words have length 26.


Oops, my program had a slight bug.  It found the longest distance between
two words when the joining sequence was minimized (-;



There are lots of much longer sequences (as was pointed out to me by a kind
soul who extended my sequence)

Hows this at 105 elements:
	ABAC bach ache cher here ered rede edea dead eadi adit dite iter tera
	eral rale alec lech eche chew hewe ewer weri eric rich icho chob hobo
	obol bola olam lama amar mara arad rada adad dada adat data atap tapa
	apar para arar rare area real eale alen leno enol nole olea leas ease
	asem semi emir miro irok roka okas kasa asar sari arid ride idea deas
	east asta staw tawa awag wage agen gena enam name amel mela elan lana
	anan nana anal nala alan lang anga ngai gaid aide idem demi emit mite
	item teme emes mese eses sess ESSE
(there are at least 10 other ways of generating abac to esse in 105)

and this is only at the start of the search!


For words of length 5, the solution is much easier.  I've only been able to
find ten series of length eight.

	ARABA rabat abate batel atelo teloi eloin LOINS
	DACHA achar chara haram arame ramee ameed MEEDS
	DACHA achar chara haram arame ramee ameer MEERS
	GREGE reges egest geste ester stern terne ERNED
	GREGE reges egest geste ester stern terne ERNES
	KACHA achar chara haram arame ramee ameed MEEDS
	KACHA achar chara haram arame ramee ameer MEERS
	NABAK abaka bakal akala kalan aland lande ANDED
	PACHA achar chara haram arame ramee ameed MEEDS
	PACHA achar chara haram arame ramee ameer MEERS


Currently, my best for length 6 is a chain 5 long :-(



        						Pauli

Paul Dale                       | grue@cs.uq.oz.au
Department of Computer Science  | +61 7 365 2445
University of Queensland        |
Australia, 4072                 | Did you know that there are 41 two letter
                                |     words containing the letter 'a'?
--
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: ed@scorpiocmc.ca (Ed Antosz)
Subject: Re: Sum of Numbers
Reply-To: antosz@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:38:33 GMT




There is a neat algorithm that solves all magic squares. Here is the description
for a 4 x 4 square but the algorithm works for any square.

	1)  Place a 1 in the second box of the top row.
	2)  Move one row to the left, up one row, place a 2 in that box.
	    (see rules 4 & 5 for wrap around)
	3)  Repeat previous step, for 3, 4, 5, 6, etc.
	4)  Wrap around so that when you run out of columns on the left, you
	    enter your number in the column on the extreme right.
	5)  Wrap around so that when you run off the top, you enter your 
	    number in the bottom row. 
	6)  If the algorithm requires you to move into an occupied square, stay
	    in the current column and use the box directly beneath the last
	    box you wrote a number in.  (ex.  5 goes beneath 4 in the box below)


		 7  1  15  9
		12  6   4 14  
		13 11   5  3
		 2 16  10  8


Ed
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: nas_ps@jsc.nasa.gov (Pradip R. Shah)
Subject: Formula for PI
Reply-To: nas_ps@jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:27:25 GMT

Whenver I need PI in my programming, I always define PI in this way:

  PI = 4.0 * ATAN (1.0).

Now, I do not know how to get to any number of digits - I guess that will
depend on the machine capability.


 - Pradip Shah, General Electric, Houston

Newsgroups: rec.puzzles