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From: darrin@arrakis.engin.umich.edu (Darrin P Cardani)
Subject: Re: Problems with Mac Powerbooks?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:54:36 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan AI and VR Laboratory
Originator: darrin@arrakis.engin.umich.edu


You know, this question comes up every 5 days or so. Isn't there
some way to inform people of what is going on so we don't keep getting
the same question over and over?
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: K2000R. You don't scare me. Nyah!
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:19:27 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <9212151924.aa15496@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>K2000 hit these shores a couple of months ago they cost $5000.

Ouch!

>I expect the
>K2000R to hit with a price of $3500-4000.

For what it's worth, the K2000R is a mere $100 less than the K2000.
You're suggesting a rather non-linear price conversion.  Are things
really that crazy?

>And to my knowledge the sampling
>option is still unavailable,

Not yet.  However, I already own a sampler so I can just transfer my
samples over to the K2000R.

>and I expect it to have a $1000 price-tag
>locally.

It's expensive.  I asked a Kurzweil rep about having a cheaper
digital-sampling-only option for those of us who already own quality
A/D converters.  No such luck.


>                                                    ...But right now it's a
>waste of money given the creative options I have available with the Peavey
>and the Fostex MIDI mixers.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mini-review, please?  I've been seeing ads for these.  How quiet are they?

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From: elf@oldearth.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed.Fleschute@Corp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Enhancing your creativity
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:38:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
Distribution: world
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Continuing the discussion about creativity enhancing instruments....


Besides getting a new synth, the most creativity enhancing device that my
wife or I purchased was a (drum roll please):

	BOSS SE-50 effects unit


We found ourselves using Rotary, Multitap, Vocoder, and even Guitar distortion
to create new sounds from our synth.

The Kurzweil K1000 (not the 2000) is a fairly dry keyboard.  Adding the SE-50
really gave us very new timbres to the existing sounds.


Ed Fleschute
From: arpraym@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Parting with your Wurlitzer???
Date: 11 Dec 92 10:20:24 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

So there are people out there who want to part with their Wirlitzer's??

Ray
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: K2000R. You don't scare me. Nyah!
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:57:45 GMT


    From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
    
    Can the K2000 be fed via SMDI from something like a Peavey SX? They're only
    $400 or so. (If you want stereo sampling, you'd have to buy two...)
    
Well, the manual addendum for the 1.2 chips says that it accepts SMDI from
a Mac running programs such as Alchemy or Max.  Would that imply that the
Peavey would work as a source of samples?

The K2000 sampling boards are definitely not available yet.

-- Scott

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From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Time Zones in the Soviet Union
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:36:41 GMT

mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) writes:
[Cakewalk for Windows stuff deleted]
>
>'How many timezones are there in the Soviet Union?  13  It's ridiculous'
>	-Negativland

	BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

	Eleven, not thirteen, big guy.  Go listen to the disc again.

-- 
== John J. Ladasky II ("ii") ========================= ladasky@netcom.COM ==
"Great composers do not borrow -	     "Talking about music is like
 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Simpson's issue of Keyboard?
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:40:33 GMT

In article <1gb52cINNgc@network.ucsd.edu> mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:
>A Simpson's issue of Keyboard?  Visions of Maggie editorializing on
>MIDI wind-controllers, Bart discussing the modern synths capability
>to reproduce disgusting sounds found in nature, etc.
>
>Is this for real, and is Danny Elfman discussed, interviewed, ?

	They did an article on the background music of the Simpsons.  The
Elfmeister's name is mentioned only once in the article, in connection with
the theme.

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From: glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff)
Subject: Exciters, enhancers, and maximizers - Oh, My!
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:08:32 GMT

Lets say my interest is in enhancing, er... maximizing Clarity and
Definition of my mix (I'm not looking for Brilliance, per se).  I
know about the tricks of trying to achieve same by providing individual
reverb/effects and/or frequency ranges to the tracks.  What I want to know is
which of the BBE line (or equivalent) of "aural improvers" would be best
for strictly maximizing clarity of the mix. Comments welcome.

- Glenn 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr)
Subject: Re: What's your opinion of Yamaha TG100
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 18:34:39 GMT

In article <1415@chorus.chorus.fr> mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam MIROWSKI) writes:
>matcsp@nuscc.nus.sg (Chan Shih-Ping) writes:
>: I have a chance to get the Yamaha TG100 for about US $300.
>: I'd like to find out from you MIDI gurus what you think of
>: it. It seems to be a nice small box that supports general
>: MIDI. I am looking for something in the same price range
>: as the Roland SCC-1 (which this is). How do the sounds compare?
>: Any limitations? Thanks for your time.
>

>It doesn't have chorus.

yeah, this is one of the limitations.  ...but *is* this part of the
General MIDI spec?  *has* the GM spec been defined yet, or is it still
in the 'late design' stage?  ...but the TG100 will let you 'detune'
voices to get a chorus effect but these will be in Voice Numbers
129-196 and *not* in the General MIDI postitions.

>It isn't GS compatible and won't understand Sound Canvas/GS
>sysexes embedded in sequences.

...*what* do you mean by this (the term 'GS compatible)?  The TG100
will most definately play correctly (except for chorus messages) all
of the SC demos that I got by FTP.  The TG100 is Yamaha's General MIDI
box.  

>Among positive points: the sounds seems more editable
>than on a SC, 4 more polyphony voices, can be used
>as/without a MIDI interface on a Mac (but probably
>only "without" on a PC).

as above, one disadvantage is that the General MIDI voices can't be
edited.  You have to copy the voice to slots 129-196 and edit them
there.  The polyphony *seems* better but some of the voices use two
elements which will cut down on 'effective' polyphony, but this seems
to be less of a problem (ie the SC does this more often).

The voices sound a *little* poorer than a SC.  Most are about equal.
but since a TG100 is about 2/3 the price of a SC, a few price-cutting
areas are below that of a SC.  I find it useful for what I'm using it
for:  a small, inexpencive box that travels with my laptop (which is
running Cakewalk) for tweeking things while away from the studio.

Alan

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From: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Matrix-1000 Problems
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Service Branford, Ct.

In article <1992Dec16.150515.23015@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jpittas@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.pittas) writes:
>
>A few of the front panel buttons no longer are responding, namely
>the '8', '9' and 'enter', and sometimes '+' and '-' depending on
>...
>I can't get to banks 8 and 9 (is there a way to do a bank select
>via MIDI?)...


I believe sending a mod wheel message of 127 before a program change 0-9
will select the bank. I don't have my manual with me so I'm not sure if
that is the correct procedure.

Gary

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: test posting, please ignore
Keywords: test
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: esd
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:16:38 GMT

a test, of course.
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From: louie@cbnewse.cb.att.com (louis.m.leciejewski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Kawai MK-20 Keyboard
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:24:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I am posting this question for a friend of mine who wants to sell a Kawai
MK-20 Keyboard that they bought for their Son (he lost interest). He wants
to know what the going price for that keyboard is before putting it up
for sale. I checked the "Synth Selling Price List" that was recently
posted but the MK-20 was not listed. Anyone familiar with that Keyboard 
and the used market price? Thanks in advance for any information.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: georg@miro.nlp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Georg Mueller)
Subject: Re: Questions on my synth
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:12:48 GMT
	<1992Dec10.141313.29547@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <110@bbx.basis.com>
Organization: TH Darmstadt, Institut fuer Angewandte Physik

In article <110@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

   >As digital technology came along the synth makers started putting
   >digital oscillators in to keep the tuning stable yet retaining the
   >analog filters for the sound. So most of the latter 'analog' synths
   >are really digital-analog hybrids. In fact it took the introduction
   >of digital technology to allow for polyphonic synths - prior to
   >that they were all monophonic. A microprocessor was used to scan the
   >keyboard very frequently and detect a note on (or off). Emu Systems
   >invented the technology behind the polyphonic keyboard and licenced
   >it to Sequential, and Oberheim.

   The Polymoog (circa 1975) used a fully polyphonic keyboard and did
   not require microprocessor scanning.

Well, that's because of the 'organ' approach, they took. One master
osc, dividers etc. Each key trigged the ADSR and VCA for each note,
but only one global moog filter.

The polyphonic Korgs (PS 3000, 3100, 3200) did the same, but they had 
a comlete synth voice (including VCO and VCF) for each key. No digital
scanning too.

The Yamaha CS 50, CS 60, CS 80 had a digital key-osc mapping, but
there is no microprocessor involved. Everything is handled in a bunch
of hardware. 

So long, Georg.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: Need info about samplers
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:52:30 +0000

>As I'm thinking of buying a sampler in the lower price range and don't
>really know anything about such, I would like to get some inputs from 
>other users.

Check out the Peavey SP/SX.

More details if you're interested.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: af522@yfn.ysu.edu (Bill Scott)
Subject: Re: Yamaha TG77 layering question
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:22:44 GMT


Yes, the TG77 cannot play more than one patch per MIDI channel. To layer
you must duplicate your midi on different channels or use more TG77s.

Bill Scott, I'm not here.
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From: claude@cse.ucsc.edu (Claude Noshpitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,sci.electronics,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Wanted - info on how to send rcv midi over serial port
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:57:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: lancelot.ucsc.edu


Does anyone know how I could send and recevie midi using the mac midi 
interface and just the serial port?  In other words, what settings etc so
I can xmit midi over the serial port -- not using midi manager.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

				Claude
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Yamaha TG77 layering question
Keywords: TG77
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:01:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec14.014347.17245@parc.xerox.com> beesley@parc.xerox.com (Ken Beesley) writes:
>On the TG77 is it possible to layer patches?
>[...]
>After examining the manual for a couple of
>hours I came to the conclusion that the TG77
>is up to 16 ways multitimbral, but each
>incoming channel can control only one patch.
>To "layer" patches, one would have to take
>the MIDI commands on one channel, say 1, and
>duplicate them on another, say 2, to get
>the layering effect.
>
>Is this correct?

Yes.  However, if you want to layer patches that consist of only 1 or
2 elements, then you can create a multi-element patch that combines
the other patches.  This gives you a limited solution to your problem.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: kuby2u@aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Where do I put Midi Files?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 20:26:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi All! 

Welp, I've *FINALLY* mastered the FTP thing. Can someone tell me where
there is FTP site that most people put their .MID files?

Thanks in advance!

                                                       Darla
                                            Portal: darla@cup.portal.com
                                                       
darla@shell.portal.com
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From: mir@chorus.chorus.fr (Adam MIROWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY99 users
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:27:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth
Organization: Chorus systemes, Paris, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rjp1@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (be here now) writes:
: Is there a mailing list for SY99 owners?  I don't see
: much in the way of discussion of this beast on this group.

There was quite a lot of dicussion a year ago,
when the machine was introduced.

If there is none, I am ready to create one.
Actually, since I own a SY-85, it would be
rather an SY list. There are some interested
SY-85 users. The name could be something
like sy-list@chorus.fr.
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From: rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: Exciters, enhancers, and maximizers - Oh, My!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:00:22 GMT

In <1992Dec18.192202.14388@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:


>If I were you I would take some source material in to play with
>(some music you are familiar with) and try an Aphex unit and then
>a BBE unit and see what your ears prefer.

I would also suggest you take in some of your own home-recorded music and
some commercially-made music of a similar style for the comparisons, it
makes it very easy to see how good some of these units can be  :)

just a little 'ditty'....

me and my new .sig

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From: lieblm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Martin Liebl)
Subject: Discussion on PC based Synthesizer/Sampler
Originator: lieblm@sunbode12.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:08:42 GMT



Hi all you Computer/Music Freaks !

With all this multimedia stuff being announced these days, I am carrying the
idea of a PCM-synthesizer completely based on PC hard- and software, and would
like to hear any opinions on this subject.

Now here's my idea:
Since today's synthesizers are (mostly) based on digital algorithms, it should
be possible to realize such device completely based on a PC hardware with an
additional D/A-converter (e.g. Soundblaster or similar card) and the software
to compute the sound. 
More exactly:
I get some input from a connected midi keyboard (note on/off, aftertouch, etc.);
I take some sample stuff (PCM) and transform it according to the midi input
(pitch transpose, modulation, etc. ). Then I change it by several algorithms
for filtering, envelope, etc. ; after doing this for all the played notes, I 
merge the whole thing and send it out through a D/A-converter.
If one can do this, I already have got a preset sampler like a U220 or a proteus.
Extending it by algorithms for e.g. effect processing, waveshaping, 
wavesequencing or whatever, one should be able to rebuild any kind of today's
synthesizers; even FM should be possible with a different concept.
Only the speed of the CPU decides, how many voices or different sound patches
I can play simultaneously.
I don't know if I'm right, but this is the same like Roland, Korg or Yamaha
does it, the only difference is not using customized hardware; Peavey tried
to sell their things on a similar 'open architecture' concept, but no one ever
heard of new software for this.

Now what would be the problem realizing this, or are there any projects on
this ???
The sound quality only depends on the DAC which converts it (besides the lack
of analog filters or such stuff); but with a turtle beach card the output is
CD like  (probably not with a Soundblaster).
How about the computer ?  Memory wouldn't be a problem, but how about the
necessary CPU speed ? It certainly must be fast, but would a 486 be enough ???
Do I need customized DSP's to get by ?

I would be delighted to hear some opinions from you!
Be honest, we all are dreaming of a complete keyboarder's equipment 
only consisting of a master keyboard and a laptop, and not spending $2000 for
a device which does good pianos, another $2000 for one which is good for
strings, etc. (and every 3 years throwing it all away because there are new
modules with even better pianos, even better strings an so on)

Bye,
		Martin


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From: mgunders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Gunderson)
Subject: Opinions: A new R8? A used Otari 50/50? Some other 8-track?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:08:25 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Opinions: Get a new R8, a used Otari 50/50, or something else?
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
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Keywords: 

    Greetings! Well, it's that time of year, time to buy presents...
for MYSELF. Hah. So, I'm looking to graduate from my aging Porta-Two
to an 8-track, so I'll need a mixer with that, and I want a DAT to
master to. I've called a number of places and gotten a few offers and
suggestions, and now I'm faced with the anxiety of picking one. Which
one should Mark spend mound o' money on?

    (Keep in mind that I'm trying to budget about $3,000 for the
equipment I listed above, so options are limited...)

	A) A new Fostex R8, with an 8 x 8 mixer (I'm solo; don't need
	   many inputs), with a Casio DAR-100 thrown in for good measure.
	   Goldman's is willing to gimme this for $3K even.

	B) A used Otari 50/50 from Rogue for $1,595-ish. Haven't asked
	   how much for the mixer and DAT, but I suspect it would be
	   pretty close to $3K.

	C) Rogue also has some used Tascams -- a 388 and a 688 -- for
	   $1,395 and $1,995 respectively. The 688 sounds interesting
	   but I don't know anything about it. They also say they have
	   a 48 for $1,750 (no mixer), which is apparently a 1/2", so
	   that's kind of attractive.

	D) Go to Chicago, play many, many, many hours of BattleTech.

	E) Make a very large purchase of gum. Grape flavoured.

	F) Something else I'm missing.

    Stores are always threatening me with eternal karma damage for buying
a used multitrack, always offering their killer sales phrase, "When was
the last time YOU cleaned your 4-track heads?" The loaded question has no
right answer, of course.

    So... OPINIONS?
	Is used really as much of a risk as they make it out to be?
	Is an R8 a decent machine?
	Is deal A a good deal?
	Any recommendations of other places to try?
	Should I consider another flavour besides grape? Maybe cherry?

    Thanks bundles,

- Mark G.
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