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From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Farewell Perot
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:57:00 GMT
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In article <1992Jul23.183547.14221@gvl.unisys.com>, martha@gvlf7-o.gvl.unisys.com (Martha Sherman) writes...
>Since Dominos Pizza is a major contributor/supporter of the 'Right To Life'
>movement, I wouldn't be surprised if they toss out all of the Democratic party
>registrations they make.

The above sentence is irresponsible, probably libelous, and misleading.

The owner of Domino's Pizza is indeed a strong supporter of "pro-life"
organizations.  This is hardly evidence for the conclusion drawn about
voter registrations, since there is no requirement that Domino's employees
share the views of the owner.  In fact, Domino's stores are independently
owned and operated--the owners simply pay the chain a franchise fee, a fact
which makes boycotts of questionable value.

>Martha H. Sherman

Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU
Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Libertarian Platform
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:17:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.215709.8762@tss.com> burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:

>In article <archer.93@utkux1.utk.edu>, archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:

>|> >No minimum drinking age, eh?  Pretty scarey to me...
>|> 
>|> Why?  Because it makes individuals responsible for their actions?  I can see 
>|> how that would scare some people.

>How does giving a fifteen year old the right to get drunk make him 
>responsible for his actions?  Children are children and their actions
>need to be subject to control.  

Yes, and it is the job of the parents to control them, not the state.  
Banning alchol sales to minors has done nothing to curb drinking by minors, 
it has just increased the taboo appeal.  Actions of the state cannot 
compensate for bad parenting.  And the state has no business in the 
parenting business.

>This silliness about giving a 5 year old
>full adult rights is just plain goofy, and until the Libertarians stop 
>saying goofy silly things like this, they will remain a fringe party with
>little popular support.

>Sounds like the members of NAMBLA should all be Libertarians then.  You 
>see no need for laws to prevent a 35 year old man from having sex with
>a six year old girl?  But what if she consents?  This Libertarian stuff
>goes from goofy, to scarey, to downright dangerous.

The responsability for choices rests with the individual, regardless of 
their age.  Properly raised, the child will not give consent, as her parents 
will have taught her.  State activity is no substitute for good parenting.

I am trying my best to address issues in a rational, adult, manner.  About 
one more bout of namecalling will earn you a place in my .kill file and I 
won't bother with you anymore.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: when in trouble, when in doubt . . .
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:52:18 GMT

In article <MATT.92Jul24113937@physics16.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <BrwKoA.KwL@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>>    I'm not suggesting that the Iraqis are blameless, or that they're
>>    not being especially provocative just now, but from the Republican's
>>    perspective wouldn't this be a really good time to have a war?   

I disagree with the assumption here that a war (or military action) would help
a President. Democratic success in WWI and WWII led to defeat at the polls
in 1920 and 1946. Similarly, Britain booted Churchill out after his success
in the War effort, replacing him with Clement Atlee.
Bush's successful prosecution of the Gulf War will not help him much,
viz. recent poll ratings.

Now consider changing this to be in the middle of a war.  Say like
Truman in 1952 or Johnson in 1968. Hmmm, didn't seem to help *them* much.
Nixon '72 and Roosevelt '44 are on the other side; but in both cases
the war's end was in sight and the other party put a weak candidate out.
And international crises, like the Hostage crisis of 1980, or Gary
Powers incident in 1960, hurt the President and his party. 

I would say you could argue that existing, unresolved international
crises might hurt rather than help the re-election of the President or
his party's candidate. On the other hand, after the war, it becomes
history rather than a campaign issue, and so doesn't help much.
 
>It's a fascinating question, isn't it: Is there any such thing as a
>political maneuver which is so blatent and transparent that American
>voters see through it?

By *assuming*, absolutely falsely IMHO, that reactions to international
events will be motivated by internal consideration, 
you are putting the Bush administration in an impossible position.
Whatever they do in Yugoslavia or Iraq can be mis- or re-interpreted
that way.

The voters will not "see through" it; they will ignore it, and
vote for Clinton or Bush based on the economic and domestic issues.

>Perhaps we will now get a chance to find out.

I'd be interested in finding a single person who would vote for Bush
based on whether he orders a bombing raid on Iraq or not.
I doubt such people exist.

------------
P. McGuinness


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From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:31:21 EDT

In article <2A742F67.14871@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:
> Michael S. Pettersen writes

>> John Stuart Mill had a word for the system you seem to prefer.  He called 
>> it tyranny of the majority.  
> 
> Why do you think so ? I've been accused of many things on this net, but I think  
> this one is a first. What I tried to object to was the use of government funds  
> for political uses. I tried to make my point by making an example of this which  
> I'm quite certain the original poster would disapprove of. 
> 
> Do _you_ approve of both uses of taxpayer money for political ends (both his  
> real one, and my hypothetical one) or do you disapprove of both ? You can't  
> have it both ways.

I do believe I can have it both ways.  I think the Operation Rescue people 
are trying to restrict the rights of others, and that the gay rights 
protesters were trying to protect their rights without infringing on anyone 
else's.  I recognize that some may dispute these evaluations.  However, I 
don't see any reason that I must _a priori_ have the same opinion with 
respect to the gay rights monument and the hypothetical Operation Rescue 
monument.  I thought your point was that what the two examples had in 
common was that the monuments were not desired by the majority; which isn't,
in my opinion, the best criterion to decide by, in this case.

> 
> BTW, I also tried to object to the "if you don't like it here, move somewhere  
> else !" attitude which the original poster expressed (in those words). 

I don't subscribe to that attitude either.  But, here's what I think Arne 
meant, in less inflammatory terms:  I have to wonder why people who are so 
uncomfortable with open homosexuality choose to remain in a place like West 
Hollywood--what do they expect?  Do they hope the gays will move away?
-- 
Mike Pettersen
Ohio State Physics, msp@ohstpy.bitnet, msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Perfect love casteth out fear.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:44:28 GMT

In article <1500@idacrd.UUCP> n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:
>
>
>From a registered Republican Texas newspaperman.  I saw him interviewed
>on CNN and he was proud to have taken credit for it.  Now if I could only
>remember the guys name and/or newspaper affiliation . . . 
>
>
>BMc.

It was either the Ft. Smith or Little Rock paper.  Saw the same report
-- just can't remember......


-- 
Tom Streeter                                |   streeter@cs.unca.edu
Dept. of Mass Communication                 |   704-251-6227
University of North Carolina at Asheville   |   Opinions expressed here are
Asheville, NC 28804                         |   mine alone.
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:37:15 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <Bs5p6D.9rC@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.062935.27767@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
# #Secondly, you seem to be presenting some very good arguments for
# #following the Cuban model and quarantining all AIDS carriers.
# 
#   Except for three things:
# 
#   1.) the practical problem of where to put and what to do with 1.5
#       million HIV carriers in the US.  
# 
#   2.) The fact that doing this would require a Constitutional and 
#       major statutory changes, not to mention a major mindset change,
#       whereas aggressively attempting to develop a cure would not.
#       Cuba is a police state.  For a free country to take away 
#       your civil rights for the "crime" of being sick opens up a 
#       lot of scary doors.

This is not a new issue.  Quarantine for communicable diseases has
a long history in the U.S.  Typhoid Mary, for example.  Leprosy,
for another.

#   3.) It doesn't really fix anything.  If an aerosol (respiratory
#       vector) variety of AIDS develops, say in Africa since that's
#       where it was found that lung epithelia was a target tissue
#       type, that will spread all over the world; everybody would 
#       have to be tested constantly and you'd end up quarantining 
#       a significant % of the population.  
# 
# ---peter

You have presented a powerful argument for quarantining existing
AIDS carriers NOW, before such an aerosol form develops (assuming
that you take the liberal "common good over individual rights"
position).


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Perot SUED by former supporter
Date: 20 Jul 92 20:20:53 -0500

We were informed just after noon today that a former Ross Perot
supporter in Hobe Sound Florida (rich neighborhood BTW) has
filed a $50,000 lawsuit against Mr. Perot relative to his sudden
abandonment of the presidential race. The woman claims that Perot
essentially broke an implied contract with his supporters by 
quitting without due consultations. 

Any legal people out there have any input on this ? We all saw Perot
on TV swearing to do as 'America wanted'. I suppose he used the
proper weasel-words while 'commiting' himself though ...

-- Jim Mason
-- Standard Disclaimers
From: tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:01:26 GMT
Reply-To: tesco@bumetb.bu.edu (Dances With Babes)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Boston University

In article <l6p80gINNfgd@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>
>Kristin Blais):
>
>> Actually if you look at his speeches it is amazing
>> that he uses the same speeches over and over and over and over
>> again -almost verbatim. The "new covenant" popped up during
>> his first term as Governer. I'm surprised he get's away with that.
>

This "new covenant" term, as far as I know, wasn't invented by Clinton.
It's a term used a lot by a group who believe in something called the
"New Paradigm", which involves moving away from "liberal" and "conservative"
and toward "entrepreneurial".  Clinton obviously believes in some of this
(supports enterprise zones, lower capital gains).  Jack kemp is considered
very NP.  For more info on the NPs read the New Republic.  You might find
"new covenant" in a couple of back issues.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: An American Labor Party would never succeed
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:40:56 GMT

marotenb@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Mark Rotenberg) writes:
>ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) writes:
>
>> None of the candidates are talking about doing such and won't
>> under the one party with two wings system of governmeent in the U.S.-
>> There is a need for a labor party - but one that will oppose the
>> trade union leaders who are part of the current Democratic-Republican
>> one party in the U.S. at the present moment.
>
>America is a middle-class society.  The "working class" people are
>not the same factory workers which established powerful unions in the
>last century, and with good reason.  They're voting Demopublican, and
>that's unlikely to change.

Up in Canada where things are even more middle-class, the two largest
English-majority provinces (Ontario and British Columbia, > 40% of the
total population) have their provincial administrations under the New
Democratic Party, a sorta Labour Party but more like your left-wing
Democrats (which, on our European political scale, is still very
moderate).

DISCLAIMER: I'm not an NDP supporter.

gld

PS: Why do U.S. papers convert British/Australian/NZ Labour's
name into "Labor"? (-;

Also, Mulroney's party is always referred to as "Conservatives"
rather than their proper name, Progressive Conservatives (yes,
it sounds funny to Canadians too).
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				Elections 1992-93:
> gld@cunixD.cc.columbia.EDU		* Jean Chretien (Canada)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			* Perot^H^H^H^H^H Elvis! (USA)
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: I loved Bush ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:06:06 GMT
Reply-To: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: holein1.corp.sun.com

In article 315@oakhill.sps.mot.com, pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
> In article <l6ec1hINNpgv@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:

> >
> >The new jobs were lower paying.
> 
> This is not true. Both median and average incomes advanced significantly from 1981
> to 1990, and, as has been posted by others, gains came to all income groups.
> 

According to the 1990 census, the number of jobs paying wages  at or below the 
poverty level went from 7 million in 1980, to 15 million in 1990.  So out of 
the 20 million or so jobs created during the 1980's, 40% of them were low paying 
jobs.

Bob De Guc
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: grlsw@cs.ulowell.edu (Scott Watterson)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Originator: grlsw@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:33:17 GMT


In article <mjfmc!f.crisp@netcom.com>, crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
 
|> Sorry baby, I be from Texas originally (slang intended). When you
|> assume, you make an ass of you and me.

	Yeah, and he sure doesn't need any help making an ass of himself :)


|> 
|> -- 
|> Richard Crisp         Cupertino, Ca.         crisp@netcom.com
|> (415) 903-3832 wk    "what, me worry?"    (408) 253 4541 fax
|> 
|> "The first thing you have to do is disarm the people. A disarmed
|> public can't fight back" -Adolf Hitler


Scott Watterson
grlsw@cs.ulowell.edu

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Presidential Qualities
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:44:58 GMT

In article <4046@news.duke.edu>, eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes: 
> % I don't know the plural for vitae in Latin.

It's nice to see that Quayle has been such a positive role
model for our young adults.

"Vitae" *is* plural - the singular is vita. 
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Vacation Time!
Keywords: Ditch Day, vanishing room
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:44:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

>>In article <BruGv9.2B7@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>>
>>>   I'm glad I got through college without ever having to deal with any
>>>   of this infantile bullshit.


Well, gee. Let me try to defend some of my infantile practices. I have
"hacked" friends in ways similar (at least in degree of infantility)
to the "Ditch day" hacks mentioned previously.

I *only* hack my friends. I have said "Perry Mason" several times and
haven't been brought up on charges of excessive infantility yet.

Somewhere in one of the long, misplaced (IMHO) tirades, there is an
allusion to the fact that Fraternities exist to promote disunity, 
infantilism, and childish pranks like this. Yeah, well, *I'VE* never
seen a fraternity hack someone in a mean-spirited manner. Oh, sure,
there are fraternities that attempt to hack the Harvard-Yale
(American) football game every now and again, but the focus is not on
how to hurt the recipient, or how much property one can destroy (see
below), but rather, on the ingenuity of the hack. MIT & CalTech are
High Pressure Engineering Schools (tm), and sometimes people respond
to that pressure in a creative, humorous fashion.

One of the primary rules behind hacks is that property is not damaged.
If I hang anchors off of the side of the Landau Building, that's a
hack. If I melt one of the school's giant steel sculptures (Lord, some
are ugly) that's not.

Of the hacks that I have participated, the spirit has not been "Boy,
we sure are getting him good. He'll hate us forever." but rather, "Yo,
so he'll be surprised/impressed when he sees this."

I'm sorry that your friends never hacked you.

		Dave "Interesting
		      Hacks
		      To
		      Fascinate
		      People" LeCompte	






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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: Re: Bush/Baker Ticket??
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 21:41:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
>
>Quayle is not going to leave the ticket, either voluntarily or not. Quayle
>is Bush's main link to the hard-core conservatives who constitute the core
>of the Republican vote. Dropping Quayle, especially replacing him with Baker,
>would probably cause these voters to sit out the election.
>

Now I'm curious, given this Bush/Baker situation.

If the conservative-favorite Quayle DID drop out, would conservatives
ACTUALLY sit out rather than taking the chance of having a liberal
Clinton on board?

I would think that just the thought of Clinton for 4  years would make
the conservatives shudder, and they just wouldn't take the chance,
especially with the current polls.  Every vote of theirs might make
a difference.

If this is true then, and I ask out of curiosity of voter-appeal,
how else would Quayle gone hurt Bush's vote?

Quayle-conservatives, what are your opinions?
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 Internet: uvmark!scholl@merk.com, UUCP: uunet!merk.com!uvmark!scholl
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:36303 ca.politics:6080
From: mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Homeless
Date: 28 Jul 1992 15:50:33 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: gelato.mips.com

Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
|> This is one thing I find hard to understand... how can an insurance company
|> jack up your premiums/rates and/or drop you, when you become sick, or one
|> of your employees does?  

"Drop" is misleading.  Just like with auto insurance, if you're claims
experience gets too high, at the next renewal, the insurance company may
drop you or raise rates exhorbitantly.

This is due to the fact that the insurance companies rate groups on small
populations -- the policy holders.  This means they only spread the risk over
a small group.

There is a bill being evaluated (US or Calif, not sure) which would require
community rating.  This would cause the risk factor for everyone in a community
to be averaged.  This would give small companies, large companies,
and individuals essentially the same rates.
|> 
|> This seems like changing the terms of a contract after it is signed... I mean,

Only if you have a lifetime contract.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: ronp@dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
Subject: Re: aids conference in cuba
Organization: DAZIX / An Intergraph Company
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:59:39 GMT

In article <8101.20503@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com writes:
>
>Then why do the statistics show that the fastest rising
>contagion groups are teenagers and young adults in the 15-25
>heterosexual group AND women from 21-35 (please correct if I
>am wrong) in the heterosexual group???????
>

As with any statistic, it is in the way the numbers are presented.
While your statements are true, they can be articulated to more
accurately reflect the CDC (Center For Disease Control) research:

  The percentage increase in the number of heterosexual women who are
acquiring the disease are heterosexual women who are IV drug users and
heterosexual women who are having sex with their mates who they *know* 
are IV drug users.  The vast majority of these cases involve indigent
Hispanic and Afro-American women and Surgeon General Novello claims to 
be putting together together an educational program targeted toward
that segment of the population.

According to the CDC, the reported AIDs cases involve approximately:

       66% = homosexual 
       24% = IV drug user
        6% = heterosexual (mainly sex with IV drug using partner 
             and/or bisexual partner and "promiscuous" lifestyle)
        4% = other (blood transfusion, medical mishaps & etc.)
        
Always remember:

  While a condom may contribute to "safer" sex, it does not
  guarantee SAFE sex!

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