HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:13:15 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Movies during Cultural Revolution

Autumn is the moment when people like to think of the past.  What I miss the
most are the movies that I used to see every Saturday in our big military yard.
The following is a list:

     Title                         Viewing times
Nan Zheng Bei Zhan
(Marching South, Fighting North)   25-30

Zhua Zhuang Ding
(Capturing the Draftees)           20-25

Duo Nao He Zhi Po (Romanian movie)
(Waves of the Multi-head River)    20

Qian Wan Bu Yao Wang Ji
(Never Ever Forget)                20

Total ............................100 times

No movie is ever so good as those.  Would you netters agree?
_______________________________________________________________________
J.Luo  Penn.State
Those who pretend to know everything are an annoyance to us who do.
_______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chbs23@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Is there email in China now ?
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:24:03 GMT

Is there email in China now ?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:30:27 GMT

In article <Bw555r.CJB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.015535.3263@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>
>>The problem is this: the people arguing for the bill are saying, "I am
> ===================
>>so commited to seeing democracy in China that if I went back, I just
>>couldn't keep from fighting for it, and I'd be persecuted." But these
>>same people, once they get their green cards, I predict, will no longer 
>                                               ===========
>>be so dedicated to democracy in China. It may a hobby or a wish, but no 
>>longer this unsurpressable urge. *If* my prediction is right, don't you
>                                   ===========================
>>see a real contradiction there?
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>
>The problem you pointed out is a problem only when your prediction is right.
>And a prediction is just a prediction. (The big "*If*" didn't show you are 
>totally  confident on it.)  Please don't build up you arguements on
>your prediction, otherwise, I predict, ........... you know what I mean.
>

There's nothing wrong with making a prediction. I'm not basing an argument
on the prediction. I'm trying to point out to those who come under the
Protection Act that if they are not going to fight for democracy they should
get their green card in some other way. Because if (and don't let the "if"
throw you) they make this mistake they will be nothing more than opportunists.

Mark

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ezez@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Eric E. Zhang)
Subject: Looking a Friend; Xueping Li!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:32:44 GMT
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Please FAX this letter to George Bush
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:44:26 GMT



September 8, 1992

To: President George Bush
RE: Bill S1216

Mr. Bush:

Please ignore the S1216 bill for five simple reasons:

1. Most of those covered Chinese students are Bu4Xue2Wu2Shu4**--when they 
   were in China, they spent 8 hours per day for getting ready to go to
   the US; since they came to the US, they spent more hours on the so called
   Chinese human-rights problems while they do not dare to go back to China
   (By the way, do you feel that this is funy?).

   As students, how much time did they invest on their own thing--study?
   Based on your instinct, please do ask yourself a question: are those 
   students a kind of "someones" who can make "something" happen?  If not,
   why don't you pay more attention to those Haitian refugees who really
   have trouble to go home?

2. Most of those Chinese students are liers--do they really face any danger 
   to go back to China?  If so, what is the difference, in terms of danger 
   to return, between the Chinese students who came to the US before 04/11/90 
   and those who came over after?

3. Regardless you will be the next president or not, you do not have to 
   hurt the Chinese people just for those couple of thousand of students.
   Did any Chinese national in China tell you that you supported this
   so called protection bill?  If you could become the next US president, you 
   are expected to fix the US economy problems; if you are out of luck, then, 
   you don't have to get the Chinese people mad during your final days in the
   White House.

4. What can the US get from granting "protection" to those students, 
   politically and economically?  If those handful amount of Chinese students 
   can make the difference on the sick economy in this country, then, Bill 
   Clinton will win the elction because those students like Clinton more than
   you (you may have noticed that the Democrats asked the Chinese "student 
   leader" to clamour for Bill Clinton during their convention in New York).  
   If those small amount of Chinese students can significantly affect 
   the China-US politics, then, they are important already--what do they need 
   protection for?  

5. President Bush, please allow me to ask you a simple question: if you 
   sponsored my college degree work based on the understanding that I would
   do something good for you in return in the future, and if I screw you up 
   after I got my degree, how do you feel about my behave?  Please be reminded
   that ALL those Chinese students were sponsored by the Chinese government 
   when they were at colleges in China.

Based on the above reasons, I urge you to ignore this S1216 bill.  Thank you
for your attention and consideration.

Best Regards,

(Sign here)

(Print your name here)

**Please check with your Chinese speaking consultant about the meaning of
  Bu4Xue2Wu2Shu4.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Poor Shannon
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.234232.5002@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.223323.16998@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9c-ed@po.berkeley.edu  
>( ) writes:
>> Dear all,
>> [section deleted]
>> And if you are one of the perspective benefitees, do you dare say you will
>> truly be 'persecuted' if you went back, while most of you probably never
>> laid a finger on the 6/4 movement?  Isn't this what is called the repugnant
>> "jian4-fen1-shi3-duo4"?  But then, of course, we are not saints.  I probably
>> would do the same thing, if i were in the shoes.
>
>
>I am not a beneficiary. But I want to point out that unless you keep your mouth  
>shut, live like a cold-blooded turtle and forget about politics and the future  
>of your country, you would sooner or later be procecuted or at least feel being  
>prosecuted. So, as many people pointed out, it depends on how you interpret  
>"living" in China. There are some people who fall into non-reversible coma.  
>They still "live" in this world. Do you call it "living"?
>
>Carl

I agree with what you say Carl, but the situation is no different than 
before these people came to the States, and it's still the same for 
everybody else in China. That's just the way China is. And if someone is
really interested in seeing democracy come to China, they're gonna have 
to go there and help change things. OK, most people don't want to sacrifice
their lives, and that's perfectly understandable. There's nothing wrong
with wanting a green card.

The problem is this: the people arguing for the bill are saying, "I am
so commited to seeing democracy in China that if I went back, I just
couldn't keep from fighting for it, and I'd be persecuted." But these
same people, once they get their green cards, I predict, will no longer 
be so dedicated to democracy in China. It may a hobby or a wish, but no 
longer this unsurpressable urge. *If* my prediction is right, don't you
see a real contradiction there?

Mark


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Learn from Lei Feng (Was Re: Oct 1, Our National Day)
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:36:13 GMT

In article <BvqA6v.6H8@news.orst.edu> wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
>The reason of Mao and other CCP leader want people to be like
>Lei Feng so badly, is that they wouldn't have to do nothing to make
>all the jobs or works done, they wouldn't even have to send orders,
>because 'Lei Fengs' will do the work all by themselves.  All those
>great leaders have to do is to enjoy the harvest of 'Lei Feng's'
>work.  Good strategy, become kings without anybody knowing it.
>Maybe another thing these kings would do is to award those 'Lei Fengs.'
>
> 

    Lei Feng was not bad. He voluntarily helped others and 
    behaved himself restrictly in good. He was man with
    generous, nice and honest characteristics(this kind of
    men are available in any countries) even though reading
    hard on Mao's works(looks a bit of ridiculous today, but
    maybe in 1960's was common in China). The problem is 
    his story has been adopted and expanded to be incredible.
    Although the calling on learning from Lei Feng originally
    from some purpose, it still has being given a positive
    and healthy symbol to let people follow(don't read too
    hard on Mao's works instead of your textbook, kidding.)
    Otherwise who should we learn from? Yesterday's Red Guards?
    Or today's D-fighters? No, no, no. We needs Lei Feng for
    his good hearted ("may be or may not be.." -- Prince Hamlet).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:17:19 GMT

>>May be in your point of view, Japanese don't have any dignity since they
>>have received so much aids form U.S. even their constitutions. But where is
>>Chinese dignity now when the Japan's emperor is going to visit China and
>>the government tried to surpress Chinese people to request compensates from
>>Japan for their crimes committed during WWII.
>>Can you see any of your dignity in China when billions of foreign dollars
>>flooded in to buy ..., etc., etc. ?
>>Of cause you can keep your dignity for yourself, but when you compare with
>>other people, oh boy, you will find out how '....', you are.
>>So, my point is it doesn't matther how you look at yourself, the most
>>important is how would other people look upon you.
>>
> 
>I know your point. But what we live for is not just much money or high
>technology.  If we are ruled by US or Japan, we will lose a lot of treasure
>things like culture, thoughts, freedom, happiness, ..., and diginity.  You
>won't be happy if you are ruled by someone else.  I know Japan and US have high
>technology and living standard.  Maybe Taiwan is not as good as them now.  But
>we can pick up some good things from them to improve Taiwan.  I believe Taiwan
>is not to bad right now. Most of Taiwanese like to live in her/his own land
>with her/his own style.
> 
>For example:  A girl can get married with a very rich man to be his second or
>third wife.  Eventually she will understand that she has nothing but money.
>Will she be happy?
> 
>
>---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
>      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo

You only get half of my point. My whole point is that Japanese can be what
Japanese supposed to be toady although they have been ruled by U.S. after
WWII and even use U.S. constitutions. So, if Taiwan can have the same
experience, I believe Taiwanese will be more like Taiwanese than ruled by
the old Chiang. That's my point. To be ruled by other people (counties) at
one time may not be a bad thing. Hong Kong is a good example. Should Kong
Kong people be more eager to go back PRC to have their 'dignity' or be
ruled by British not to have their 'dignity' ? 
No matter you are ruled by whom, if you can't make decisions on your own
fairs, where is the dignity ? Or the dignity is just to be ruled by some
one bad of your own race ? Racism ! 

Yi-Chieh
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:38:39 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <ld6m27INNhrp@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>(deleted)
>If the mentioned temple is in Xi-hu, I had been there. One thing I don't feel
>the same is:
>Qin Kuai was deserved to be punished, but not his wife. It seems to me no point
>to make a nude woman there with her quilty husband. It exposes the bad part of
>Chinese culture, as Mao did, kill the enemy and beat the deads.

Well, since you keep boasting your $10,000 GNP and have promised to donate to
SOS Education China Fund, I feel obligated to give you another lecture.

She was not only his wife, but also his political partner. Though both of them
are follower of Carl's theory, Qin Kuai was more conservative and careful than
his wife. After Yue Fei was arrested and Qin Hui could not find convincing
evidence to kill Yue Fei, lady Wang encouraged Qin to kill Yue Fei nonetheless.
This even yields two famous proverbs:

Qin Hu YongYi Zong Hu Nan (It is eay to catch a tiger, but difficult to release it.
Dong Chang Si Fa (East window issue is in trouble).

So, Qin Hui's wife deserves her place there. End of my lecture, please keep your
promise, donate a few tens bucks for education, so that the best of the best in
future know FuLing ZaCai and Dong Chang Si Fa.

Thanks, Steve.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: g647_7@cheetah.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (g647_7)
Subject: Some thoughts
Keywords: protection bill
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:59:55 GMT

Try to bear with me. You will feel better :-)

1) 6.4 and its aftermaths shows the worst that one could be possibly 
treated in his/her own country. Killing was one of the kind; 
however the political status of the country is well shown as such. 

2) Because this 6.4, few people will take China as a desired
place for living, which, I think, lays down the corner stone 
for the bill, let alone all the politics involoved later which 
finally pushed it through.

3) Having the bill, one will not to have to face the situation at 
home, no matter what kind of situation it may be. Have nothing to 
do with fear of being killed or persecuted. Staying away from it
for a while is already a good enough motivation for the bill. 
Everybody knew it. The so often repeated phrases as democracy
and freedom and persecution serve a solely purpose, that is to
clarify the country's political status. Nothing to do with cheating
or immorality.

4) Having a dead line for the benificiary does not imply that they
are the participants of any movement, rather a measure of quota.

5) Patriotism is a bitter word in this context because of the confusion
occurd very often inside you and me. It is hard to seperate
the goverment from the people, the land, the country, isn't?

Conclusion: That is the way it is. So be it, like the bill 
or not. Certainly, the bill will create negative feelings towards
CSS among people inside China just as it has here in US. After all,
you have the right to choose your way of living, lofty, happyness,
miserable, pityful or immoral.

PS: I haven't ever found myself so cynical. Cheers! I am
finally learning.

                                    A happy net observer
				    with nothing to do today.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhang@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Tao Zhang)
Subject: Re: China-net
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:05:06 GMT

#
# Command Abbreviations
#
alias c clear
alias cd 'set old=$cwd; chdir \!* ; set prompt="${cwd:t}_% "'
alias cp cp -i
alias h history
alias lo logout
alias ls "ls -sFC \!*"
alias m  more -clds
alias mv mv -i
alias pushd 'pushd \!* ; set prompt="${cwd:t}_% "'
alias popd 'popd \!* ; set prompt="${cwd:t}_% "'
alias q quota
alias que "lpq -Pecs_lps40 "
alias rm rm -i
alias rot13 ' tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m'
alias rn "rn -e -m -S"
alias ru rsh umvlsi.ecs.umass.edu
# use xs to reset xterm window	
alias xs 'set noglob; eval `resize`; unset noglob;reset'
alias dvi "ln03dvi"
alias lsp "lpr -Plp0"
alias vax "dlogin umaecs"
alias umvlsi "dlogin umvlsi"
alias cax "rlogin cax"
alias batchr "rlogin batchr"
alias jambo "dlogin jambo"
alias risky "dlogin risky"
alias spock "dlogin spock"
alias mccoy "dlogin mccoy"
alias kirk "dlogin kirk"
alias titan "telnet titan.ucc"
alias math "rlogin math"
alias saturn "telnet saturn.ucc"
alias ll "ls -l"
alias lf "ls -f"
alias qln3 "lpq -Pecs_ln03"
alias lps329 "lpr -Pkeb329_lj"
alias q329 "lpq -Pkeb329_lj"
alias openwin "/usr/openwin/bin/openwin"
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From: paulzhu@unc.edu (Paul Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Response to Shannon Yeh
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:52:24 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

In article <Bw0uB5.Fov@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In <Bvv6Mx.FxH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> tang@riemann.math.purdue.edu (Puqi Tang) writes:
>
>
>>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>>From chenjian@mace.cc.purdue.edu Thu Oct  8 20:42:43 1992
>>Message-Id: <9210081803.AA24763@mace.cc.purdue.edu>
>
>>This is a message to Mr. Shannon Yeh.
>
>>1. The students covered by the protection bill are talented people, not bu4
>>Xue2 Wu2 Shu4. If you open the top journal in Biology, biochem---(e. Science,
>>Nature, Cell), you will see a lot Chinese names there. And the students
>>from mainland, have made their way to Harvard, MIT, Standford.....as young 
>>faculties. This is also true to almost every major field.
>>While you are talking, these people are doing really top level research. This
>>is why Chinese students are recognized here.
>
>Do you really think those talents who go to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, ... as
	...
	[some lines deleted]
	...
>No need to read the rest of the article.

Well, no matter how un-intelligent he (chenjian@mace.cc.purdue.edu) 
appeared in his posting, he has the right to express whatever he thinks.
Keep him quiet (if you succeed) is un-constitutional, :-) Get it?

-- 
Paul
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*  Internet: paulzhu@ruby.ils.unc.edu;  Bitnet: paulzhu@uncvx1.bitnet  *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Random Thoughts on Life
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:08 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:07:00 GMT

          To tell the truth, the most boring thing in the world is to
          sit in a classroom and listen to a teacher when the Fall
          comes.

          Imagine sitting on grass, milting your thoughts into the
          remote mountains dyed red by the pleasant Fall breez,
          letting the dews damp your skin, listening to insects
          chirping secretly, sometimes far, sometimes near, don't you
          feel you are purer, fresher, and freer?  Don't you feel you
          are as imaginative as the clouds drifting across the blue,
          blue sky, changing their shapes at will?

          Life is an art.

          Everyone wants to be the greatest artists of all times.  We
          are busy filling lifes with colorful episodes.  Heroic
          artists paint Man3 jiang1 hong2, romatic artists paint Xi1
          xiang1 ji4, sentimental artists paint Feng1 qiao2 ye4 bo2.
          How good a painter are you?

          But have you compared the way you currently paint with an
          ant's delegent routine?

          Therefor I prefer xin4 shou3 Tu2 Ya1.  I enjoy Liu2 bai2
          (leaving blanks), for blanks sometimes say more than colors.
          Have you seen qi2 bai2 shi2's painting?  One cabbage, two
          crickets, and -- blanks.  Silence can be more eloquent than
          music.  Remember bai2 ju1 yi4's "ci3 shi2 wu2 sheng1 sheng4
          you3 sheng1?"

          Liu2 bai2:  Writings say more than talking, paintings say
          more than writing, music say more than painting -- not
          because they say more, but because they say less.

          I want to mian4 bi4 like a prisoner for ten years.  I want
          to wonder around the wilderness like an indian for ten
          years.  I want to compose a song with the most beautiful
          tone but not sing it for ten years.

          Life is an art with ge2 diao4.  Your life -- your poems.
From: pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Victor Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Improving One's English...
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:08:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Oct8.064014.28366@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel  
Lyddy) writes:
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
> Subject: Improving One's English...
> Summary: 
> Expires: +7days 
> Sender: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: usa
> Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
> Keywords: 
> 
> For folks who learned English as a second (or nth, where n<>1) language:
> 
> Since we're on the subject, I would like to ask those of you who feel comfort-
> able with your English a few questions.  First, what strategy worked the best
> for you?  Formal classes?  A close friend who wrote you letters with perfect
> grammar and spelling?  Starting out by reading "easier" stories and gradually
> improving your vocabulary by increasing the level of difficulty?
> 
> Second, what price did you pay?  Did you find yourself losing command of
> your native language or dialect?  Did you have to change jobs, roommates, or
> even friends in order to force yourself to speak English?
> 
> My "better half" (slang for girlfriend/fiance/wife) accuses me of not doing
> enough to help her improve her English.  She comes from Taipei and has been in
> this country for five years.  She says I don't use enough big words, and I use
> too much slang.  I don't know, it's just not in my nature to talk like a 
> pompous ass (the way I'm doing in this post :-]).  I would appreciate any 
> suggestions you may have, except telling her to find a new boyfriend :-].
> 
> Dan

--
	buy her the book titled " american slangs ( dictionary ) ", my experience is that  
more than half of the slangs in the book are marijuana-related and probably not that  
freguently used (?), the rest is not much, if one can learn 10 expressions a day, a year  
would be enough to finish the whole book, my experience shows 90%-ish of the slangs i hear (  
on TV and daily conversations ) is in that book. i am not sure though if this is easier for  
her than to find a new boyfriend  8-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Bush's "speech" in St Louis
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:42:35 GMT

In article <2AD92E3E.17587@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>When Bush tried to attack Clinton during the debate, he said that he did not
>like to accept those who "demonstrate to against their home country in the
>foreign territoy".  Then, why did he default those Chinese students' 
>screwing China activities in the US?
>
>I will have my letter send to him before the 2nd debate (10/15).
>
>shannon

  Seems Bush's words are Shen4 Zhi4 to Shannon.  But soon he'll find
  it's just yi1 ge1 dao4 cao3.  Probably he also knows it's just yi
  ge dao cao, but he has no choice but lao dao cao, in addition to
  shi3 ji3 xia4 xiao3 ren2 de shou3 wan4 behind the backs of CSS.

-ping