From: beatty@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu (Derek Beatty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!
Keywords: fonts, intellectual property, Bodoni, Zapf
Date: 19 Dec 92 13:45:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BzIE8K.GAM.2
Reply-To: beatty+@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: beatty@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu

In article <1992Dec17.182348.5930@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott  
Byer) writes:
> Now, as far as the fonts on sonata are concerned - they're OK.
> One look and I could tell exactly how they were created (can you
> say "pathforall", I knew you could).  And while that's *slimy*,
> it's not illegal,
 . . .
> Personally, I can't see how anybody thought these things were high
> quality - they have *no hinting*!  And really, when you look at
> them closely, they look like garbage on the screen.  They'll print
> out ok at 400dpi, but not nearly as good as a fully hinted font
> will.

Anyone who thinks these fonts are "commercial-quality" can download  
them and look at the "Bodoni" at about the 10-point size on the  
screen.  Or, for that matter, at a slightly smaller size, printed.  I  
don't think "garbage" is much if any exaggeration.  If Adobe tried to  
sell such crap they'd not be in the font business today.  

Since these fonts are inferior to the genuine ones, the natural  
question is  do any of the names infringe trademarks?   Or does there  
have to be an actual competing product before trademark law applies?   
(Obviously I'm not a lawyer!)  If "Bodoni" actually looks like  
something designed by Bodoni, that name might be safe (descriptive  
names aren't trademarks), but how about the others?  I think Palatino  
(a Zapf design) is a trademark, but no garbage-Palatino font was  
among those posted.

 -- Derek

PS: I wish I had a postscript version of Hunt Library (the font), the  
display face Zapf drew when he was visiting faculty at Carnegie Tech.   
(It's used for the inscription at the entrance to Hunt Library [the  
building].)  Also, I think the "old CMU logo" font was a Zapf design.   
Why CMU switched to Bodoni for their "corporate look" is a mystery to  
me---particularly since everybody tries to reproduce the logo on a  
postscript printer and ends up using Times Bold instead.  Even the  
posted "Bodoni" looks more credible, as you can see if you actually  
download it:

"Bodoni"			Times-Bold
 		 


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