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From: pejulaju@daredevil.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Subject: stereo sound in JAWS ?
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:55:45 GMT

I recieved a few days ago (finally) Carr & Hayes' WIDE SCREEN MOVIES (interes-
ting book indeed).

The book says that the original theatrical release of JAWS (1975) had stereo 
sound. Recent LBX laserdisc release had monochral sound only. 
What's going on? Was it just one of those famous errors of this book?

BTW, they forgot to mention RETURN OF THE JEDI in the book. (It was shot with
Joe Dunton LTD's cameras and lenses.) Its strange they missed such a
major release.
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From: amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Why you _need_ Widescreen....
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:49:12 GMT

In article <17NOV199215543607@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> kimnach@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (GREG KIMNACH) writes:
>In article <11009@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, amcalind@cs.strath.ac.uk (Anthony McAlinden IE91) writes...
>>In an earlier message, tony.camara@canrem.com (tony camara), prattles on
>>and basically asks :
>> 
>>Why would you want widescreen?
>> 
>>He goes on to say that he just bought a 52 inch TV, and wants to use ALL of
>>the picture area. In fact, he's just defeated his own argument, for on a
>>TV that size, he'll really get the effect.
>
>While the ASCII demo on the bb would be insightfull, it probably wouldn't 
>convince many die-hard "I want the entire tube filled with something" 
>viewers that LB is the way to view most movies.  What I suggest is for them 
>to rent a P&S and LB version of the same movie (Star Wars, for example), 
>and toggle between the two.  They'll convert.... 

Wants to use all of the picture area on his 52" monster TV when the P&S crops
half the area anyway, huh?  How 'bout running Back to the Future in LB and 
P&S--you know, the scene when Biff hits George on the head:  "Hello, McFly?"
:-)
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From: hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Digital capacity on LD?
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:15:24 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <BxtLMn.8yp@fc.hp.com> rjn@FC.HP.COM writes:
>Phil Kim (kimp@rpi.edu) wrote:
>
>> If LDs were purely digital, how much data could it store?  I know that
>> CDs store about 680MB (for CD-ROMs anyway).
>
>Since the peak frequency stored on an LD is about 10Mhz, that would be 36
>Giga bits or 4.5 Gbytes per 60 minute CLV side.  Tossing away 50% for ECC
>and overhead, 2 Gbytes is a reasonable figure.
>
>Curiously, if LDs stored digital video, they'd need to have a capacity of
>about 50 Gbytes (before ECC and overhead).
>

Eh? I guess I really don't understand; probably some sort of digital
bigotry. 

Laserdiscs have an analog signal encoded which is then picked 
up by a laser beam? Does the laser beam digitise the signal?
Or are we talking direct analog->{ntsc, s-video, rgb} conversion?

If everything is truly analog, what does that mean for resolution
of the laserdisc signal since a television has a definate 
resolution (525 scan lines).  Was the laserdisc information encoded 
with this limitation in mind?

What I'm driving at is say I get an s-video hdtv with double the
resolution in each axis from my black market buddy yoshi tomorrow.
I take my little sony ld player with s-video output and plug
it into my black market box. What am I going to see? Will the
hdtv be driven at it's full resolution?


>Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
>Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
>                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599
>
>This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
>official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
>Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
>supplied without warranty of any kind.


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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: Pausing a damn LaserDisc player! or TRYING to!
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:46:47 GMT

In <64TDuB1w165w@amigans.gen.nz> batman@amigans.gen.nz (Kerry Emerson) writes:

>Are there any LaserDisc players out there in the wide wide world which 
>actually PAUSE withOUT just bringing up a blank screen?  I recently 
>(about 1 week ago) purchased `Terminator 2' on LaserDisc.  Now this movie 
>is INCREDIBLE on LaserDisc, and as I have just bought DCTV for my Amiga, 
>I wish to capture some of those brilliant morphing sequences and save 
>them in 8million colours and create a really cool animation, but out of 
>the 3 different LaserDisc players I have seen (of different makes), none 
>of them pause the movie with the image still on the screen like a normal 
>video.  Why is this?  Is this to stop pirates or something, or is it 
>impossible to freeze a LaserDisc period?

I am assuming you purchased the CLV version of Terminator 2.  You might run
through your LD player's section on the differences between CAV and CLV;
here's a short summary of how you can freeze-frame an LD:

    1)  Purchase the film in CAV.  Any LD player can perform a freeze-frame
        on a CAV laserdisc -- and it will be a true freeze-*frame*, two
        video fields combined into a high-resolution freeze frame.  As you
        may have noticed, almost all laserdiscs are CLV.

    2)  Purchase a higher-end laserdisc with a freeze-field option (e.g.,
        the Pioneer 30{7,8,9}0); this can do a freeze of an individual video
        field from a CLV disc.  These freeze fields, however, are not as
        high-resolution as a CAV freeze-frame.

    3)  Purchase a Pioneer LVD-8000 industrial player, which can get an
        honest-to-God CAV-quality freeze-frame out of a CLV disc.

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From: root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator)
Subject: Re: Black Rain LD
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:21:11 GMT

baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin) writes:

>	I was watching my LB version of the movie Black Rain
>(Michael Douglas) and noticed that it seems a lot more "dull"
>appearing than other LDs I have. Has anyone else who has this 
>disc noticed this ? It seemed a little "foggy" looking.

 Yes, I have a copy of Black Rain too. Mine does not look
dull, but it does tend to skip (like a scratched disk),
though there are no scratches on the disc.

 Maybe these discs where made in a hurry ;-)

Dave
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From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Subject: Is Criterion Broke?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:16:57 GMT

I just heard a rumour that Criterion is broke and the licensing for their
titles has been turned over to Image. Does anyone know anything about this?
I'll be getting details later tonight, if there is more I will post
tomorrow...

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From: Stephen Jonke <jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Digital capacity on LD?
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72D98702C025C5D@joe.gsfc.nasa.gov>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:26:56 GMT
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:26:58 GMT

In article <BxtLMn.8yp@fc.hp.com> Bob Niland, rjn@FC.HP.COM writes:
>Since the peak frequency stored on an LD is about 10Mhz, that would be 36
>Giga bits or 4.5 Gbytes per 60 minute CLV side.  Tossing away 50% for ECC
>and overhead, 2 Gbytes is a reasonable figure.

There is a company called New Video Corp that has a board called "EyeQ" which
uses the Intels DVI chip to get up to 160:1 compression ratios to record and
play back 24 bit color 640x480 QuickTime movies with 16 bit 44.1 KHz audio
(better then CD) at 30 frames per second off of a CD-ROM (I'm assuming that
the transfer rates of a digital laser disc player are at least as good.) 
Assuming this device and a 640x480 image with 24 bit color and 2 Gigabytes of
space on the LD-ROM:

(((640 x 480 x 24 x 30) / 160) / 8) / 1024 = 168.75 K bytes per second of video

For the audio it works out to:

((16 x 44100) / 8) / 1024 = 86 K bytes per second of audio

168.75 + 86 = 255 K bytes per second (audio and video)

2097152 / 255 = 137 minutes of audio and video per side.

Keep in mind that this is with uncompressed audio, but the DVI chip actually
does audio compression (I don't know the ratio offhand, though) so you should
be able to fit even more digital video and audio onto a laser disc.  Also,
keep in mind that movies are only 24 frames per second and with a system like
this you could easily adjust the fps during playback so that movies could be
recorded at 24 fps (and thus fit even more onto the disc) and normal video at
30 fps and the system would play back at the proper rate.

What are the idiots waiting for!!!!

Steve
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From: rjc@devo.unify.com (Ronald Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: ST:TNG on LD...  when are the next releases due?
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:16:35 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California

When are 19/20 and 21/22 due to be released?  It seemed like they were
getting out two per month (three one month... yay!), but it's been
almost two months since 15/16 and 17/18 were released.  I thought for
sure I'd have the first season by Christmas!

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From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Pausing a damn LaserDisc player! or TRYING to!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
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Stephen Jonke (jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:

> That's one thing I don't like about Pioneer players -- my Sony MDP-333
> actually still frames when you hit pause (if it's a CAV disc 

Not trying to defend Pioneer, but what do you do on the Sony if you WANT
to suspend CAV play and have a blank screen?

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                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

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From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Criterion Monty Python & Holy Grail: WHEN?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:42:57 EET
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
> In <k6N4TB7w165w@jybox.jyu.fi> otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
> >When is the expected release date for the Criterion Monty Python & the Holy
> >Grail?
> 
> I'm hearing the end of November, but this *is* Criterion...
> 
> PS  From the Laser Craze newsletter: MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL is CLV,
> letterboxed, has Gilliam on the second audio program, and has the theatrical
> trailer at the end.  Pretty damn OK for $48.

Thanks for the info.  By the way, would you have the address and phone+fax
for Laser Craze, I keep hearing about their low pricing but don't know where
I can find them?

Shouldn't your "motto" be...

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From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.anime
Subject: * Bubblegum Crisis Laserdiscs out yet?
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:40:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu

I know that the release date was slated for 11/15 (Sunday) and nobody I know has it yet.
Has the first set been released yet or will it be later this week?

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From: stuam@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr O A Machado)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: "Dances with Wolves" Extended Video
Date: 19 Nov 1992 21:20:41 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <5898@naucse.cse.nau.edu>
daf@sunset.cse.nau.edu (David Frautnick) writes:
>
>Could somebody please tell me if an extended video version of "Dances with
>Wolves" has been released and if so, where I can get a copy?  I read an
>article a while ago that Orion Home Video was planning on releasing a 4-hour
>plus version of the film.
>

Here in the UK, the 4hr (letterboxed) version of DWW was released a couple 
of months ago, exclusively on laserdisc.


Orlando
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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Why you _need_ Widescreen....
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:00:48 GMT

|> 
|> >Some films are obviously intended to be seen in widescreen format.  I
|> [...]
|> >Cropping is just another form of editing.  Sometimes cropping actually
|> >improves an image.  Anyone who works with still photography knows this.  
|> >There's good panning and scanning, and then there are the hack jobs.
|>  
|> Agreed. Some movies were meant (by the director shooting the film) for
|> a wide screen. Some were not. Some, even, are made with a TV screen in
|> mind. As to WHICH movies are "best seen" in LBX/P&S... that's a matter
|> of personal taste, just the same as which movies you watch in the first

	Although I generally prefer widescreen , I rented an LBX LD last night
which, were I to purchase it, I would prefer to see the non LBX version.
The movie was "Music Box" (Jessica Lang),I did not feel like there was 
much going on in the films periphery that would be missed with P&S cropping.
On the other hand there were several scenes where fine detail,especially
patterns in clothing,exploded into annoying moire patterns and falsely
colored lines. The video was very clean, but this is the worst example of
loss of resolution aliasing that I have ever seen. Of course I am just 
assuming that these effects are absent in the non LBX version. Anybody else
experience this ?


Dan Baldwin   baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu
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From: trond@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Trond Trondsen)
Subject: Nostalghia Released
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:48:13 GMT
Organization: Institute for Space Research


Just thought I'd let you know that Tarkovsky's "Nostalghia" was just
released on video tape. FINALLY!  =8)
Price is USD 59.99.

Trond      

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From: damon@nomad.osf.org (Damon Poole)
Subject: Stop posting articles which are LBX vs. P&S !!! Good grief!!!
Reply-To: damon@nomad.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:45:12 GMT

I have been reading this group (and posting now and then) for almost two years,
and this topic just keeps coming up like the undead. Enough already! If you
don't have anything new to add to the LBX vs. P&S wars, DON'T POST!
If you disagree with another poster's opinion and it has all been covered
before, please resist the temptation to reply! A reference to the FAQ should
be sufficient.

Some of us like LBX, some of us like P&S. If we have seen both formats and
prefer one over the other, we are not going to be converted. In my opinion,
this is a religious war and not a technical discussion.

By the way, I prefer the obviously superior format. ;-) ;-)

Yes, I know I can automatically disregard postings with LBX or P&S in the
subject. Unfortunately, I can't automatically disregard the postings I don't
want to read from the ones I do. :-)

If you must reply to this post, e-mail me directly. Flames to /dev/null.

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From: bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: List of UK Widescreen videos
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:19:26 GMT
Organization: IXI Ltd.


From the 'List of UK Widescreen videos'

>Bill And Ted's Excellent Adventure


Eh? Why have I not seen this one. Is it a special by Our price or WH Smiths.

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From: raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Why you _need_ Widescreen....
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:21:19 GMT
Organization: Commodore

In article <1992Nov19.003135.1818@neopath.wa.com> mike@neopath.wa.com (Mike Rosenlof) writes:
>In article <SS.92Nov18144242@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>bverreau> I can't speak for the original poster, but I'm not bothered
>>bverreau> by the widescreen format - when it's presented at full
>>bverreau> resolution.  I'm also not bothered in the least by the black
>>bverreau> or colored, or patterned bars I see on the television screen
>>bverreau> for LBX discs.  It's the lost resolution that I have a
>>bverreau> problem with.
>>
>>LBX LD's still have more resolution than a SVHS tape. 
>>
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong (on usenet?? never happens!), but not if you
>mean vertical resolution. All video storage stores the same number of
>scanlines of data, but the horizontal resolution varies.  So if you
>have a P&S film, you have the height of a (presumably) 35mm frame
>resolved onto 480 (or whatever it is) lines of video. A LBX image of
>the same 35mm frame is resolved onto something like 250 lines of video
>(for a panavision frame). That's the loss of resolution bverreau was 
>referring to.
>
Not that I necessarily agree with the original poster, but it all depends on
how you define vertical resolution. The poster seems to be defining resolution
as the amout of detail that can be resolved, not the number of scan lines.
Your definition refers to the display device, while his refers to the source
image. Obviously his statement is correct as  to loss of fine detail in LBX
presentations when seen in that light. Personally I usually prefer LBX to
P&S, but am disturbed by the maximally scrunched picture of a full LBX
anamorphic print (2.35:1). I have no objection to open matte as long as the
director was careful in protecting the full frame. I acknowledge that these
views are by no means universal.
>
>I've seen both the LBX and P&S versions of Star Wars. Stars and horizontal
>lines flicker more in the LBX. Parts of the picture are cut out in P&S.
>The bigger picture in P&S looks nicer, but...
>

Line flicker or aliasing is often a result of a sharper transfer, and if
annoying can be mitigated through adjusting your TV's sharpness control. In
fact the LBX "Patton" calls this fact out on the cover. I believe some 
tape masters are deliberately filtered to eliminate this, but don't know for
sure. Some artifacts are unavoidable when converting between such disparate
media.>
>mike
>
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Why you _need_ Widescreen....
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:42:42
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: bverreau@netcom.com's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:13:19 GMT


bverreau> I can't speak for the original poster, but I'm not bothered
bverreau> by the widescreen format - when it's presented at full
bverreau> resolution.  I'm also not bothered in the least by the black
bverreau> or colored, or patterned bars I see on the television screen
bverreau> for LBX discs.  It's the lost resolution that I have a
bverreau> problem with. 

LBX LD's still have more resolution than a SVHS tape. 
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