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From: ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown)
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 01 Oct 92 18:04:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1adhlmINN33l@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>ericbr@microsoft.com (Eric Brown) writes:
>
>>The Pill, while it _does_ have quite a few nasty side effects,
>>does not have irreversible side effects of any kind.  (At least, I've never
>>heard about the Pill causing sterility or death.)
>Eric must think strokes are reversible.

Point taken.

One _small_ query, though -- what percentage of women taking the Pill have
strokes?

Oh, and could you, in your infinite wisdom, actually come up with the name
of ONE male contraceptive that is roughly as effective as the Pill and has 
roughly the same side effects as the Pill, and yet is not on the market?

I've heard lots of talk about this proverbial contraceptive, and yet nobody
has bothered to name it.

Eric
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: We, The Persons
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:19:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct4.185207.10636@mr.med.ge.com> larry@ducktales.med.ge.com (Larry Landwehr) writes:
>
>                           We, The Persons
>
>                           Larry Landwehr
>                           Copyright 1992
>
>
>In the last few years the American English language has undergone
>a revolution in vocabulary.  Certain words have been banished or
>fallen out of favor.  This has taken place with many people not
>being fully aware of it.  Mostly it is older people who know what
>has happened because they remember how people used to talk.
>...
>Many of the old words had negative connotations.  The new words do
>not.  The reason many of the old words had negative connotations
>was because the behavior associated with them was behavior that the
>majority of the public did not like.  People did not like divorce,
>homosexuality, unwed mothers, and people who would not work.  These
>activities and conditions were not looked upon favorably.  They
>were not in the "public good".

Also, bigotry was more accepted at one time.  Ethnic slurs were
a common part of speech for many people.  Some older people
still use these words, but their usage has become curtailed
among the younger folks.  

A big sign of change is when the President is a member of one
of these groups.  For example, Kennedy's election made it
"OK" to be a Catholic... Reagan's election made it "OK" to be
divorced.



-- 
     Jim Lacey  --  my own opinions    
     email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
     D'ou venons-nous? Que sommes-nous? Ou allons-nous?
Xref: sparky soc.men:17032 soc.women:17122 alt.sex:31136
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Wiring"
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:02:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <exukjb.264.717712753@exu.ericsson.se> exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell) writes:
>
>Guys, guys. You'll never really know whether women have orgasms or not! Just 
>like you'll never really know how rover feels about alpo. Give it up.

Oh I dunno.  "Man, that was *good*!" would be a good indicator.  Just like
rover wagging his tail.

Big Al.  If you get rover to go "Man, that was *good*!", you should spend more
time on alt.sex.bestiality, tho.
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz)
Subject: Did you just do what I THINK YOU DID?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:42:37 GMT

This is a true story, folks.

I heard on Dr. Dean Edell's radio call-in show today that every
year in the U.S., over 2500 men suffer penile amputation at the
hands of their girlfriends/wives during domestic disputes.

This fact he read from a recent report of the Society (?) of
Reconstructive Surgeons.  They said that there are over 5000
penile amputations in the U.S. each year, and that most of these
occur during domestic disputes.  The gist of the story was that
these men aren't totally out of luck, because there's some new
surgery that allows fairly good reconstruction of the penis using
bone and inner thigh skin.

I can just hear the feminist take on this stat: 'Well, the
family is a microcosm of the patriarchy, after all.  The woman
is only attacking the symbol of her oppression.'

Dr. Edell laughingly recommended that married men keep their kitchen
knives locked away at night.

Incredulously,
-S. Schultz
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: capnal@aqua.whoi.edu (Al Duester)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 02:27:24 GMT



 tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
 >Been doing it since I was six or so--had to, you see, since, left to her
 >own devices, my mother tended to come up with such concoctions as 
 >"meatballs in grape jelly."  (Sometimes I wonder if this would have 

 Sounds like your mother was actually the victim of a cut off recipe. The
 _best_ meatballs I've ever had and made are 2 to 2.5 cm dia. out of very
 lowfat ground sirloin, egg, breadcrumbs, diced onion, pepper, & salt.
 Browned in some garlic oil. You then cook or crockpot them over very low
 heat for a few hours in a sauce made of a 12 oz. jar of Welch's grape
 jelly,
 and a 12 oz. bottle of Heinz chili sauce. I kid you not! The suckers get
 inhaled at potlucks.

 I usually make a double batch of the sauce, and keep it around for pouring
 on other stuff like a sweet & sour. It sounds gross, and looks nasty when
 the jelly is melting, but the result is incredible. My college roomie had
 us
 all going for hours at a party guessing what the sauce was, and none of us
 would believe him when he told us!

 I don't know how much of the flavor the beef is responsible for, so I don't
 know how well it'll adapt to veggie cooking. Maybe add some HVP?
 ========================================================================
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 Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution  #  INTERNET: capnal@aqua.whoi.edu
 Woods Hole, MA  02543                 #  (508) 457-2000 x2474
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Newsgroups: soc.men
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Catharine MacKinnon, Playboy and feminist propaganda (Was: Value of...)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:34:14 GMT

In article <BvHJvK.Fx@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <717917196@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>
>>I wondered if Catharine A. MacKinnon became a different person,
>
>A lot of people tend to wonder this, I think.  That's when they start
>to read what MacKinnon actually writes, and not the thrice-revomited
>pap that people like Gazit and Vidiguris and Dyer pass off as her
>writing.

So, like, did she not write these things?
Or are they out of context?
Or have they been edited?

Just want to know what exactly you mean by thrice-revomited when it comes to
text.
-- 
"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Amy Fischer: The Circus Continues
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:32:12 GMT
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

In article <BvB356.2C5@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.181722.602@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
>>In article <Bv77qB.B7y@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>>
>>>(And no, I don't believe this is a disparagement of rape concerns, 
>>>which are very serious, but it is a disparagement of the unreasonable
>>>movement to redefine "rape" as "harassment," which itself detracts 
>>>from the seriousness of rape.)
>>
>>I think what you actually meant to say was:
>>
>>...redefine "harassment" to be included in "rape".
>
>Redefining "rape" to include "harassment" has the same logical effect as
>redefining "rape" as "harassment," since rape is a subset of harassment.

A friend of mine yesterday asked me to define logic-chopping.  I couldn't
do it on the fly, but I ought to send him a copy of this article as
an illustration.

"Rape is a subset of harassment"?  Okay, I guess that makes murder a subset
of harassment, too.  Makes just as much sense.

You're getting vague again, Don.

>>You don't mean that a woman who has been raped has, in reality, simply
>>been harassed.
>
>You see my point precisely:  expanding the definition of "rape"
>weakens the meaning of "rape" in undesired ways.

Of *course* I see your point.  Geez.  If your sentence immediately above
is what you meant to say, SAY it the first time.  It's much easier to
understand than what you initially said.

Charleen

--
Accountants are people who are similar to auditors, but without the
personality.
From: aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Emilie Unkrich)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Understanding Women
Date: 3 Oct 1992 13:24:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Emilie Unkrich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, taina@cs.Helsinki.FI (Juha Taina) says:

>In <1992Sep18.135306.19185@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep17.221449.13015@news.Hawaii.Edu> sakata@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Henry Sakata) writes:
>>> 1.  What does a single woman mean when she tells a single man, 
>>>     "I'll love you forever," after asking him to do something 
>>>     for her?  Is she:
>>>     a)   b)   c)
>>      Wrong!  It's d) ... she's telling you that you're a great
>>                      guy for doing her the favor and she loves-
>>                      you-as-a-friend for it, depending on the
>>                      magnitude of that favor.
>
>It's also a great way to confuse him.  Once someone said that she loves
>me forever.  She loved me less than 7 months.  Don't say anything about
>eternity if you don't mean it; someone might be fool enough to believe
>you.
>
>Juha
>
>-- 
>Juha Taina | taina@cs.helsinki.fi | Phone: +358-0-708-4247
>
At the moment a he or a she says I'll love your forever, they probably
believe is it so. Sustained Love, on the other hand, is a matter of luck
and what each partner brings to the relationship. 

I hope that ahead for you, is the finding of a true love.
 
-- 
Emilie Amanda Unkrich - Cleveland FreeNet :->  The human body can never be 
Culinary Arts SIG Cosysop (aa782)         :->  better than the food that it  
>INTERNET:aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu     :->  takes in daily to strengthen,
                                          :->  revitalize, and rebuild it.
Xref: sparky soc.men:17131 soc.women:17209
From: grey@bnr.ca (Bryan Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:25:40 GMT
Reply-To: grey@bnr.ca (Bryan Miller)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1aa7dpINNnmo@gap.caltech.edu>, peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
|> jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey) writes:
|> 
|> >Worst anti-male decorating feature:  carpeted toilet tank and
|> >seat sets... turns the toilet into a mini-guillotine for the
|> >unsuspecting male.
|> 
|> In a previous apartment I had the toilet seat rigged so that it
|> would suddenly come slamming down.  Boy you should've seen then jump!
|> 
|> 							--  Michal
|> 

Hey, what were you doing watching? :)
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: AU.JOY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joy Mundy)
Subject: Re: MacKinnon & FeminismUnmodified
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:41:47 GMT


I just wanted to thank Hillel Gazit for going to the trouble of
researching and posting actual attributable quotes from Catharine
MacKinnon (Feminism Unmodified).

I particularly appreciate his willingness to type in the long quote
about Playboy.  I'd never have had the courage to post that quote
myself, because many people on soc.men seem so eager to flame.
Yet Professor MacKinnon's cogent analysis of Playboy, her
concise explanation of the harm women feel from objectification, and
especially her witty stimulus-response theory explaining many men's
passionate worship of their own freedoms at the expense of others'--
all these have profoundly affected the development of my own views
of feminism and social change.

I was startled by such a volte-face, for I admit to having mentally
categorized Gazit as a virulent foe of women's issues.  I'm inspired
by the change in his views in the face of MacKinnon's superbly
argued theses, and will take his openmindedness as my guide.

Newsgroups: soc.men
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: And not only that.....(Was: Political Correctness)
Followup-To: alt.stupidity
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<30SEP199210153854@mary.fordham.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:05:38 GMT

<In article <30SEP199210153854@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:

<   In article <1992Sep29.201429.27066@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 
<   me@isnext19.msu.edu (My Account) writes...
<   ^^                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
<   [garbage deleted]

<   If you don't have the guts to use your own name in a statement of political
<   views, then don't post. 
 
	And if you don't have the guts to list  your name in the
	telephone book, don't phone.

	Sheesh.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Use a condom or you'll get aids.
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:16:32 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct3.014136.11430@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>The safest thing is to practice safe sex, that way if it turns out your 
>partner was lying, you only feel betrayed, and you don't have to worry about 
>dealing with a STD.

	The safest thing is to remain celibate, and don't sit on any toilet
seats, either.



Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: This is MY space and YOU'RE in it...
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:17:49 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: School of Chemistry, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, rjg@eeyore.cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J. Green) writes:

>Now I thought I was a relaxed, open type of caring sensitive guy.
	[...]
>I ask her what's up and she admits to being scared of me. I was putting out
>signals to her that this was MY space, being really terratorial and, not NASTY,
>but cartainly bristly. I didn't even catch on I was doing this until she 
>pointed it out. I thought I was being organised and energetic in my task, not
>an entirely pleasant task, but I was doing it well. And I scared her! Weird...

Learn to be more submissive, and less competent.
Or perhaps she should learn to let you have your space...

>This isn't a gripe, but it's amazing how deep and UNEXPLORED the male psyche
>is. It's just taken for granted.

Or taken for something...

>May I also take to chance to advertise our Birmingham Uni Gender Awareness
>group - "Sexes Talk" and give a shout out to the Purple People in
>Leicester Uni is it (?) who gave us such support in setting up. Its good to get
>both sexes talking about a JOINT problem.. Thanks guys.

What's so hard about being aware of gender?
What's this JOINT problem anyway...?

>- Robin Green.

Toby
-- 
Toby Kelsey
School of Chemistry,  # JANET: chpetk@uk.ac.bath.gdr, otherwise
University of Bath.   # chpetk%gdr.bath.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna)
Subject: Re: Use a condom or you'll get aids.
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:22:03 GMT

Holy naeve (sp?)!  Didn't you learn in health class that you CANNOT catch
AIDS from toilet seats?  Only thru the exchange of bodily fluids - blood,
semen, vaginal fluids, saliva (possibly).

PRACTICE SAFE SEX!


From: erik@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Erik Lode)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:42:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: NEED IDEAS FOR FIANCE'S XMAS GIFT!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.men

markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark) writes:

> Take your clothes off, put yourself inside some Christmas gift wrapping,
> put a bow tie in front of your chest and lie down under the tree all night.
> Keep the legs out so he gets a hint of what's inside when he gets up the
> next morning.

	Don't forget to make some air holes in the box before sealing it.
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:04:11 GMT

In <1992Sep29.172305.15217@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:


>Sure, a wife would be handy--especially someone who would be willing to
>help me eat all these apple pies and the great big pot of vegetarian
>chili that I've just made.  (Bad habit I've got--I like to cook, but 
>(in keeping with my general perception of overkill as a philisophical
>ideal) I tend to cook more than I can manage to eat myself--and now that
>I've picked up a 12-quart Farberware stewpot, this is probably just 
>going to get worse (what am I going to do with a gallon of real chocolate
>pudding that I'm now getting the urge to make?).)

	A man who loves to cook?  Mmmmmm.....:)
The gallon of chocolate pudding?  Bathe in it!:)  and then......:)


>Actually, I always tend to wonder at the "need for a wife" claim--how
>does one manage to make tasks like cooking, laundry, cleaning, and the
>like be so time-consuming that one needs someone else to do them?
>(Well, OK, having offspring would do it--but I'm planning to avoid
>that particular problem.)                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Are you really this perfect?:)
 

>Trygve 

Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 01:09:35 GMT

tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>ewillims@unix1.tcd.ie (Emma Williams) writes:
>>The gallon of chocolate pudding?  Bathe in it!:)  and then......:)
>Fingerpaint?  (Hmmm...now I just have to locate a volunteer for a canvas....) 
A recent issue of Skinnydippers had a long article on that one,
written by the woman who served as the canvas. A most interesting piece.
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.abortion.inequity
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Right To Not Support
X-To: HILLEL GAZIT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:03:00 GMT

gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes...
HG> In article <1992Sep9.133536.26878@zooid.guild.org>
HG> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:

HG> >Ah, but would you consider women who have had abortions to be "deadbeat mom

HG> NO.

Well, neither do I.  I was just asking the question in a hypothetical context.

Conversely, would you consider a man who decided during pregnancy, that he
did not wish to be a father, a "deadbeat dad".

From what I have seen from you, I would think that you do not.  This is the
reason why I asked Peter Nyikos this question.

---
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ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids            "GOiDS Rule"
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: popular boys
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:04:25 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <717531843@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>Think for a minute about high school years, who were the popular
>boys between the girls?  The anti-violence boys or the Macho boys?

	The ones with the cars.
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.031703.3884@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr) writes:
>
>3) My idea ( which took a little exertion to recall ) was that
>sexuality was ranged along a spectrum from ultra maleness to
>ultra femaleness, with liasons arranged as follows:
>
>
>	M++    M      M--     F--    F      F++
>
>	^      ^      ^       ^      ^      ^
>        |______|______|       |______|______|
>               |_____________________|
>
>
>The idea being that you need some "differance", but not too
>much. It doesn't really work, obviously, but there it is.

Yes, an excellent diagram. That's how it's SUPPOSED to work.
Each woman is looking for a man two or preferably three spaces to her
left, and the man a similar distance to his right. But because of
recent gender-bending, what we have today is something like this:

             	M++    M      M--  
                       F--    F      F++
           >
 	        ^      ^      ^       
                       ^      ^      ^
                |______|______|    
                       |______|______|
                |_____________________|
>
Women have moved an enormous distance in the direction of masculinity,
and men in the direction of femininity (at least in North America. In
other places this is undoubtedly less true.). As a consequence it becomes
extremely difficult for ANY women to find a "manly man", or for any
man to find a "female woman." Hence the whole scheme becomes more or
less dysfunctional.

-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!

       "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
        Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
        broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
        where it will end."
                               - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: seen on the wall
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:07:50 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


From the wall of the cowboy bar I was in last night:

	"Women don't belch, fart or snore, so they have to bitch or else
they'd explode."
								wr
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles