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From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: ISO Blackhouse discography
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:52:43 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

 
> I have an incredible LP from ``Blackhouse'' entitled ``Holy War'' which
> was released back in circa 1987 on RRR records and produced by Michael Ladd
> also of RRR fame.
> 
> I consider this THE definitive industrial music album of the late 80's.
> My favorite track is ``Whispers of Love'' which consists of a pretty clear
> gospel presentation with a mysterious backdrop of throbbing noises.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone could give me a complete discography of Blackhouse including
> any newer releases.

        I have a 1990 (or 91?) album called "Material World."  I know of albums
or ep's by the fallowing tiles

Material World
Pro Life
We Will Fight Back
Stairway to Heaven
Father Son and Holy Ghost (1991)
The Gospel According to the Men in Black

        There is also a fairly recent album that was recorded "live in the
studio" but I can't remember the title.  Mike Delaney of Rad Rocker's Emporium
always carries Blackhouse, and probably knows more about them than anybody
outside of the band.
From: dmaxwell@auc.trw.com (Doug Maxwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:29:45 GMT
Reply-To: dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell)
Organization: TRW Denver Operations

In article <67434@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>In article <Btwsv5.LGn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson) writes:
> 
>
>So just turn you offensometer way down, and just accept the show for what
>it is-rock and roll.

As Christians, can we really do that?  Can we say that, "Well most of it
is ok, so it must be right."  I don't believe that we can. 


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From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Which music amoral??
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:35:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Andy Whitman writes:
>Yup, murder is bad.  Of course, the point applies to both sides -
>black or white, those who wear a badge and those who don't.

I am ever so glad we are agreed here.

>the point Ice T is making in the song:  you harrass me, hound me,
>throw me in jail for no reason, and you better watch out, 'cause
>the next time you try it I'm going to kill you.

You feel that this is his point (or was it just to make $$$?)

>Ice T has the right to make the statement, and I think that other
>people have the right to hear it and to make up their own minds
>about it without having the song pulled from the album because
>some people are offended by it. 

First, a reminder of my original note's position.  Having not been
in a record store for years, I was surprised at the violence.  Not
just Ice T, but also Ice T.  I don't hear you defending megadeth or
whatever the name of the group with all the iron crosses and swastikas
on the cover, but I assume you wish to champion their rights as well?
Well I didn't post about their rights, I talked about my surprise, shock
and horror and for me, I am not giving any of them or their record companies
one more dollar.  They can put that trash on the shelves till they get
tossed in the lake of fire, but I am NOT supporting them.  My right
is to spend my consumer $$$ to support christian musicians.  My right
is to own and play spiritually uplifting music. 

Now I know this is a bit corny, but I am really interested in hearing
your answer.  How would you feel if Jesus was leafing through your
CD collection and pulled out this Ice T CD? (or any other by any other
group or artist which explictly advocates sex, drugs, violence)

>I think Time Warner ought to be ashamed for their cowardly reaction
They aren't cowards!!!!!  They simply feel that they have made all the
$$$ off that issue they can without suffering undue negative consequences.
Ice T may or may not have a heartfelt political position on this, but
Time Warner has no heart, just a bottom line.

>And I think Americans ought to be pretty
>frightened at the direction this country is turning with regard
>to individual rights and freedom of speech.

I truly am frightened at the direction of the country, I guess I just
see different trends than you do.  I think religious freedom and privilege
is degrading faster than individual freedoms.  Let me ask you this,
what if Ice Ts (or another "artist`s") next big hit is "schoolteacher killer"
do you still support their right?  Baby killer?  Christian killer?
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: The Five Points of Fundamentalism
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.213833.25377@acd4.acd.com>, wdo@TEST1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
|> When I did my obligatory semester at Lynchburg Baptist College (now Liberty
|> University) in 1973, I was told by several people that BJU had only recently
|> (within the past couple of years) permitted blacks to live on campus.  If
|> true, then the university's racial policies may have been quite different
|> ~20 years ago.  Were you aware of this (or was I misinformed)?

No, I was not aware of this, so I checked into it.  In a sense, you are right:
prior to 1971, the university did not admit unmarried students of minority
ethnic groups (which made it easier for them to enforce their interracial
dating policy), and all married students must live either off campus or in the
university's married student housing.  Although the Civil Rights Act was passed
in 1964, it was only applicable to government institutions, and not until 1975
was it applied to private institutions as well.  It's important to realize that
very few public or private universities admitted black students at all before
this time anyway (you should check into the colorful 118-year history of Rose-
Hulman Institute of Technology, right there in Terre Haute; they still don't
admit women, and won't for three more years), and BJU had a better excuse than
most.  Now, BJU actively recruits minority students and goes out of its way to
showcase them whenever possible, particularly in the movies, plays, musicals,
and other fine arts productions for which they have been highly acclaimed.
I remember hearing about a civil rights march against the university about ten
years ago in which the university provided coffee and doughnuts for all of the
marchers.  However, they are still stigmatized as "racist" and "segregated" by
the secular media, which has its own differences with BJU.  Chances are, you
probably heard the one about the separate pink and blue sidewalks for women
and men too.  It's not true either.

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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:54:13 GMT
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From:  (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Important Words
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:23:36 GMT

In article <25780006@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>,... writes:
> 
> Another reference comes to mind here:
> 
> James 3:7-8  All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles, and creatures
>              of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man,
>              but no man can tame the tongue.  It is a restless evil,
>              full of deadly poison.

      Yes,yes,yes!    Believe me, I know it's true!

          The DOK
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Subject: Re: Music that makes you drive fast...
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:39:41 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp. ASSD, Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Aug25.012759.20687@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, Paul.Laurie@anat.utas.edu.au (Paul Laurie) writes:
|> In article <66562@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
|> > 
|> > I've seen a number of posts on this subject already, and i'm just wondering...
|> > 
|> > What songs make you want to roll down the windows and drive really fast?
|> 
|> [...other stuff deleted...]									
|> 
|> Speaking of speedlimits, a friend of ours, who is a "Man of the Cloth", was 
|> running late for a Bible study. An officer pulled him over for being 10 klms 
|> over the posted 110kmh limit. The officer checked his ID, then, obviously 
|> amused, asked him the reason for his indiscretion. The MOTC told the officer 
|> "that the Lord's work requires haste". The officer said that he had not heard 
|> that one before and let him off the charge.
|> 
|>  
|> > JRjr 
|> > -- 
|> Paul

    Another true speed limit story: A "man of the cloth" speeding,
    gets stopped by the police, says something like "I'm a man of God",
    policeman retorts: "God left the car when you went over 55" and gives
    him a ticket.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From:  (The DOK)
Subject: Re: Sandy Patti sings the National Anthem tonight at the RNC (8/20)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:12:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.135134.7194@Arco.COM>, cgp@Arco.COM (Chris Phillips  (214) 754-6419) writes:
> 
> You'll almost certainly have to watch C-SPAN or CNN though.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 

  Great, that helps all Aussies!  On second thoughts, do I want to see Sandi?
  The DOK
From: ps3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Philip Montgomery Sherwood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 10 days... (MWS)
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:56:14 GMT
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I believe that it is called "Change Your World" or something to the
Changing World effect....

I heard a promo for a contest where you get to hear the album and talk
to MWS on the phone on the Christian station at home (KSBJ in Houston)
and they were calling the album that.

On another note:

Anyone have a review of Rez's new live double album?
thanks
p
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mj101719@cs.tut.fi (Miika-Markus J{rvel{)
Subject: WANTED: Information of Christian Music
Originator: mj101719@cs.tut.fi
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:47:08 GMT


Hello, Hello !
Here is Lea From Tampere speaking ( and my friend Miika-Markus ).
We have get a great chance to make christian radioprograms to our local 
radio ( radio Sataplus ), but we need information of artists, new records, 
tours and so on... 

Please, if you know something, send to us email. And if you are moderator of 
postinglists, put us to your postinglist. 

And item number two, do you have christian music databanks there ? 

Thanks for your help, God bless you !







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From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:10:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Album Review:  Dick and Mel Tunney, "Let the Dreamers Dream"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) writes:

> This album by Dick and Melodie Tunney is the first to feature them by
> name.   Mel was for several years a vocalist with the group First Call,
> and Dick was producer on part of the first album, besides doing extensive
> touring as keyboardist for Sandi Patti...  

Dick and Mel have been around for at least 15 years, singing/playing w/Truth
before Sandi/First Call. Some of the oldest albums I own have their songs on 
it...

> As you might expect, the type of songs is quite similar to the slower stuff
> that was done by First Call in their early albums since those songs
> like "Undivided" were written by the Tunneys.  
> 
> Every song on this album is good, but none of them are outstanding.

Less this statement deter someone from buying the album, I'd say that a 
couple of cuts ("There is Peace", "God's Love Never Changes") are *seriously*
well-written songs which say things lyrically in a way I've never heard before.
These songs are generating serious print volume (by people who are using them
in their churches, etc.). If you like your music a bit more thoughtful and
introspective, you'll like this album. If not, go buy Kim Boyce ;-)

Finally, having had the opportunity to sit down practically one-on-one with 
these two and talk about what they're all about music & ministry-wise, you
should know these two register as high on the integrity meter as anyone I 
know...right up w/ John Fischer...;-)

> Steve's rating:  Three thistles on a scale of -5 to 5.

Hmmm. One lower than Kim "God blessed me w/ a record deal;-P" Boyce? To each
his own.....

Bob (I may regret this post tomorrow ;-) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
From: hilliard@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William K Hilliard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rick Cua?
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:18:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I've got two of Rick Cua's albums, "Midnight Sun" and "Within Reach."  Both are
good - kind of a rock style with lots of electric guitar, bass and drums.
It seems like at least some of his material is geared toward youth ministry,
like "young boy young girl," and he gives concerts for youth groups (in fact
there was one in my home town last December.)  His songs don't seem to pound
you over the head with his faith, (and whether that's good or bad I'll leave
up to everyone else on the net to decide :-) yet they have some very good 
messages, as in "No Man Will Know," and "Stand Your Ground."  If you have
the chance to go, by all means do, and give us a review of what his concert
was like!

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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: verification and change
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:41:00 GMT

Just wanted to post a note about the addresses and info I gave for
Notebored and ACM Journal.

The Notebored address was correct, as was the price.
Once again, it is:
Notebored (Subscriptions)        Tel: (215) 593-7176
P.O.Box 238                    
Atglen, PA  19310-0238           1 yr (6 issues) is $8

The ACM Journal people are moving, so the address I gave is actually
incorrect now. They say that we will have to wait for issue #10 to
reach us for the new address. I believe that the 3rd anniversary CD
will be coming out with issue #10 also. If you're interested in sub-
scribing, the phone number they have will be good to use. The phone
number is:   
            (206) 863-0632        
            subscription is $5/yr (3 issues and CD)

Just thought I'd clear that up.

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From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Subject: Re: Accountability in CCM
Originator: ras@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:56:04 GMT


In article <mjenkins.715288177@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
|> 
|> >Okay, so what should be done when it's the record label itself who is doing
|> >the sinning? I have heard that Word is actually a pretty money hungry bunch
|> >of people. That is why they sold out to Epic records. A friend of mine now
|> >looks very closely at what label an artist records under before he considers
|> >purchasing an album from that artist.
|> 
|> OK...one thing at a time here.
|> 
|> First of all, you *have heard* that Word is money hungry. From that
|> you make the blanket statement, "That is why they sold out to Epic
|> records." 
|> 
|> A couple of points here (and please, correct me if I'm wrong) but it
|> sounds like you are merely repeating something a friend told you (Word
|> is money hungry) and came to the conclusion that that is the reason
|> they sold to Epic. You don't know either of those to be fact, merely
|> your opinion.

You are correct in that what I posted was something I heard from a friend.
I apologize for offending anyone with my blanket statements, which were
unfair and unfounded. The point I was trying to make was a response to a
post that said the record company should hold their Christian artists
accountable for their actions. I guess I should have just asked, "Who
is going to hold the record company accountable for their actions?" Of
course, we are all accountable to God in the end, so all this only matters
while we are here.

Again, I apologize for offending anyone. I'll be more careful next time.

|> Second big point: I don't agree with your friend who looks at the
|> record label first before buying an album. To quote Steve Taylor, that
|> is "Guilty by Association."

This was the same friend as above.

|> Just my thoughts.
|>
|> Michael

Thank you Michael.

Russ

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From: Janne.Salmi@hut.fi (Janne Salmi)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: Helsinki Univ. of Tech., Finland
	<1992Sep2.171653.6285@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.171653.6285@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:

-> I think the closest we can come to in Scripture to sarcasm  is the word "mock"
-> used repeatedly in Proverbs.  Literally, the word "mock" in the OT means to
-> "show dirision", or to taunt.   It is interesting to note that this term is
-> most often used in close proximity to the term "fool" (i.e, "a fool mocks.."
-> PROV. 14:9).

Yo Terry, they're talking about you, dude! Man you're in the news...
How can they say you would do such a thing?

- Janne
From: gates@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Bill Gates)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:01:01 GMT
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian


First off, Noel, I have to side with "steiner" here.  None of your
Scriptural references rule out the real possibility that the the lyrics
and intent/usage of the music is what decides its classification, not
the waveforms (tune) themselves.

I would like to commend Noel for a well-thought-out posting though.  She
went to Scripture for her answers and posted what she found in a logical
way.  I think the interpretation of those Scriptures leaves room for the
amoral argument, though, as I basically believe music in and of itself is
amoral, and I found nothing in the Scriptures to deny that.

I don't know who "steiner" is, but I'd like to ask that s/he RELAX.  I
really don't think Noel's (or anyone else's) posting is worthy of such
ire.  The tone of "steiner"'s posting is really quite hateful, and we all
know better than that.

Bill
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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: King's X thingie
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:24:00 GMT

IO11300@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (I've opened my heart to Christ and His love) writes...
>I am no authority on what Mr. Wilson means, but I do have a slight idea.
>Of course, it may be wrong, but so what?  :)

You're wrong, wrong, wrong!!! What do you mean 'so what?'!?! This is one of the
most relevant things that I've seen come across this accursed machine.

okay.......so I wasn't serious......

>I think that Mr. Wilson is an athiest or non-believer who doesn't give the
>other people in his family the chance to know God.  He is taking no heed to the
>message, and as the song describes, he thinks that he'll understand when he
>sees them and him 'on the chopping block'.

hhhmm...I've listened to it closely to figure out the words, but I've never 
really set down and tried to figure out exactly what they mean. My initial
feelings were that he was referring to a Christian brother (Mr. Wilson) who
says one thing in front of the singer's face (or his family's face) then says
another when they aren't around.

aren't the lyrics in the CD sleeve? If not, I could probably listen to it and
write them down because I think I pretty much can understand the whole song.

>The end is (***), the apple's ripe, I'm going to Japan...
> 
>Then the really deeep voice says,"Is that enough?"

I think the voice says "Is that good enough?"

that's all from here.......

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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Tangent:  Song of Solomon
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:23:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.154313.11675@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

|> I *like* the fact that a poem about physical love found its way into
|> Scriptures, and I very much appreciate the sanctity and esteem that
|> God seems to hold for that kind of love.  You can read it as an
|> allegory if you want to.  But I like the down-and-dirty parts just
|> fine, and I like the fact that God considers them holy.

   "Down-and-dirty"? I never considered this type of God given love
and intercourse to be dirty in any way.... probably just taking your
figure of speech the wrong way (I hope).

|> Andy Whitman

-- Tim
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