HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solution?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 11:55:23 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In news.admin.misc, article <C1BGoz.MGE@mwblind>,
  jerbo@mwblind (Jeremy Bettis) writes:
> mark@wehi.edu.au (Mark Watson) writes:
> 
> >  Perhaps there should be a .inewsrc file that contains
> >a flag to 'override quote_check' for those that feel in necessary to 
> >quote a lot (or all) of an article as part of replying.
> 
> >  The bottom line here is maximizing user configurability since you can
> >NEVER satify all users.
> 
> I don't think this is an option, as the news systems which are throwing out
> more than 1/2 quoted messages are doing it for ALL, not just local posts.
> (At least this is the case around here, my news gets out through the Univ of
> Nebraska which is running INN and it tosses out messages which are more than
> 1/2 quoted material.)

INN doesn't do this. It only has a quote check for local postings (it says
so right there in the config file) which is turnoffable quite easily.

The reeal problem is that it's too easy t subvert that check in the first
place; just replace the default quote character with something else.

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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: wjm@utagraph.uta.edu (William Middleton)
Subject: supplementary nntp feed needed 
Reply-To: wjm@feenix.metronet.com
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:24:53 GMT

  I would like to get a supplementary feed for our machine.
We are a new commercial service provider in Arlington, TX.
I use a perl script to obtain our feed so no batching is
required on your part. You just specify the groups i may request.
The load on your server is minimized, and since the feed will
be supplementary to our main feed, so is bandwidth.
  If such an arrangement is satisfactory to you, please contact
me.  I would be in your service, and would be happy to batch
and provide whatever groups you would like from here.  ( within
reasonable distributions limits, naturally :)

Thanks very much,
Bill Middleton
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Scanning out the "For your newsgroups file:" line
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:01:59 GMT

> Last week I posted an inquiry for a piece of sed or other code that
> would give me the line FOLLOWING the "For your newsgroups file:" line...
> I figured that it would be a simple one liner or so ...

And so it is, if you use awk rather than sed.  In new awk:

	awk '/^For your newsgroups file:/ {getline; print; exit}'

In old awk, I believe it takes two lines:

	awk '/^For your newsgroups file:/ {hit = NR+1}
	     NR == hit {print; exit}'
-- 
Mark Brader, Toronto		sed -e "s;??\\([-=(/)'<!>]\\);?\\\\?\\1;g"
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com	will fix them...	-- Karl Heuer

This article is in the public domain.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleen S. Davis)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.ecsd?  nord.tostit.ca?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:03:47 GMT

In article <1jm993INNdqg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jik@athena.mit.edu
  (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes: 
>>Control: newgroup soc.culture.ecsd
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.ecsd.ctl,control
>>Path: enterpoop.mit.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!haven.umd.edu!uunet!ferkel.ucsb.edu!taco!samsara!gital.org!static!xavier!mainz!nord.tostit.ca!radler

No guarantees, but some parts of the path seem familiar from some of
the forged messages often found in rec.org.mensa from someone calling
himself "Scott Andrew Tai" (SAT), among other names.  Eric C.S.Dynamic
(who signs his posts "ecsd") is a new rec.org.mensa personality, and
apparently someone thought he deserved his own newsgroup.  This makes
much more sense if you read some of Eric's posts. . .at least the
group is in the right hierarchy!  :)

-sz
From: mcgraw@zeeman.sunspot.noao.edu (Robert McGraw)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: rn problem
Keywords: rn bogus newsgroups
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: mcgraw@zeeman.sunspot.noao.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP

When I run rrn from WAN remote news server and try to add 
the news group ``sci.space.news'' I get the the error message
``Warning! Bogus newsgroup: sci.space.news'' and then it will
proceed to delete all bogus news groups. If I add the news group
``sci.space.shuttle'' it works ok. 

If I run rrn to a LAN news server then it works ok I use a differend
newsrc file for both.  Also the folks at the WAN news server run rrn
and it adds sci.space.news ok.

Also when I run rrn to the WAN remote news server and  a new news group
comes in and I am asked if I want to subscribe and I say yes, it will also
tell me ``Warning! Bogus newsgroup......''

Can anyone explain what might be going on to cause this. Do I have to change 
something on my end or is it a the remote server end.



Thanks
Robert



_______________________________________________________________________
Robert P. McGraw, Jr.    
System Manager                 INTERNET:rmcgraw@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu
National Solar Observatory/SP  SPAN: 5355::RMCGRAW or NOAO::RMCGRAW
Sunspot, NM 88349 USA          PHONE: (505) 434-7038
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with 'usa' distribution
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:56:20 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: ian@unipalm.co.uk's message of 24 Jan 93 19:19:54 GMT

This is the way Distribution is implemented.  Distribution provides
the poster a way of specifying classes of readers who may be
interested in the post and provides readers (newsadmins) a way of
limiting incoming news.  Distribution does NOT provide a way for
posters to limit where their articles go; Distribution is merely a
suggestion of usefulness.

Newsadmins are notably independent cusses :-) who configure sys files
the way they want to, and this includes passing Distribution: usa to
sites not physically in the USA but readers are interested (perhaps
temporarily assigned elsewhere, or going to school).  Canadians, for
example, are also often interested in Distribution: usa, due to
proximity.

If you are a newsadmin and you are fed distributions you don't want
(you want to limit dialup costs or disk usage), it's up to you to
complain to your feeds.

As a summary, the Distribution mechanism is not broken just because a
uk site receives a Distribution: usa article.  The feed's sys file may
be misconfigured; a user can't tell.  Only the admin has any idea of
admin decisions.  So, ask your newsadmin.  Another reader may have
asked for Distribution: usa.

If you don't like the poster's lack of control, build your own
centrally-controlled network.  A USENET poster just can't control what
admins at other sites do in the anarchy of USENET.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: anselmo@nic.near.net (Ed Anselmo)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solution?
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:42:10 GMT
	93Jan18182203@ra.cs.umb.edu>
	<MCGLK.93Jan19135648@yang.cpac.washington.edu>
	<1jo3a1INN614@wehil.wehi.edu.au> <C1BGoz.MGE@mwblind>
Organization: NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.near.net
In-reply-to: jerbo@mwblind's message of Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:02:59 GMT

> I don't think this is an option, as the news systems which are
> throwing out more than 1/2 quoted messages are doing it for ALL, not
> just local posts.  (At least this is the case around here, my news
> gets out through the Univ of Nebraska which is running INN and it
> tosses out messages which are more than 1/2 quoted material.)

Then the Univ. of Nebraska is running a non-stock INN.  The INN code
checks included text in only two places, nnrpd and inews.  A standard
installation uses neither of those programs for processing inbound
news feeds.
-- 
Ed Anselmo      anselmo@nic.near.net      NEARnet, Cambridge, MA
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From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.groups
Subject: soc.culture.ecsd?  nord.tostit.ca?
Followup-To: news.admin.misc
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:42:59 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pit-manager.mit.edu

This newgroup message recently arrived at our site:

>Control: newgroup soc.culture.ecsd
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.ecsd.ctl,control
>Path: enterpoop.mit.edu!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!haven.umd.edu!uunet!ferkel.ucsb.edu!taco!samsara!gital.org!static!xavier!mainz!nord.tostit.ca!radler
>From: radler@nord.tostit.ca (Robin Adler-Pope)
>Subject: newgroup soc.culture.ecsd
>Message-ID: <1993Jan19.073922@tostit.ca>
>Sender: mailer@tostit.ca
>Organization: Tostit Northern Associates (Calgary, AB)
>Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:39:22 GMT
>Approved: mailer@tostit.ca
>Lines: 1

Neither "tostit.ca" nor "nord.tostit.ca" are valid hosts.  I tried forwarding
a message through "mainz" to nord.tostit.ca!radler, but that bounced too.  Mail
to mainz!news and mainz!usenet bounced, although mainz!postmaster worked
(although the postmaster there apparently did not understand what I was asking
when I forwarded the bounce there).

I can find no indication anywhere that this newgroup is valid.  Certainly, I
see no reason for newgroup messages in the main hierarchies to be coming from
anyone other than Dave Lawrence.  So, what's going on here?  Does anyone know
anything about this site?  Does anyone know any background behind the newgroup?

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
Aktis, Inc.                                    Moderator, *.answers
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: alt.fan.lemurs
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:43:02 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

I am aware that alt.fan isn't highly regarded by news admins since it does
tend to be the scummiest part of the "alt. sewer," but I'd just like to
make a short appeal for you all to carry alt.fan.lemurs.  It's an amusing
group IN MY OPINION but a lot of people send me mail, based on my
organization line, saying that they can't get it at their site.  :(
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solution?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:35:33 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: abacus.warren.mentorg.com

In <C1BGoz.MGE@mwblind> jerbo@mwblind (Jeremy Bettis) writes:

>I don't think this is an option, as the news systems which are throwing out
>more than 1/2 quoted messages are doing it for ALL, not just local posts.

>(At least this is the case around here, my news gets out through the Univ of
>Nebraska which is running INN and it tosses out messages which are more than
>1/2 quoted material.)

I'll bet you a cheese sandwich at the next Usenix that you can't
prove that this is really going on.

Just name the site that does this.  That's all.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)

Unix is a trademark of, WHATT????
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From: pharris@roseworthy.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.future,news.groups,news.misc,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: FAQ's and how to get people to read them (Our answer)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:25:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: tellus.roseworthy.adelaide.edu.au

In <1993Jan20.161439.16569@ohm.york.ac.uk> nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham) writes:

>What I am experimenting with, is taking the well formatted FAQs and
>building splitter programs (in Perl) to dump each section of the FAQ
>into a gopher directory, also building a full index.  Then for Perl
>(for example) you find the appropriate directory on your gopher and
>have a list of the FAQ sections, along with an index search
>facility.

>Seems to work very nicely, although its just at test stage, so I
>mean I like it and the users haven't seen it!

>       Nigel.

>--
>#   Nigel Metheringham  -- (NeXT) EMail: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk    #
>#   System Administrator, Electronics Dept, University of York    #
>#   York YO1 5DD. Phone: +44 904 432374, Fax: +44 904 432335      #

Keep up the good work!!!!

I have a reasonable memory (still) but not good enough for rarely used
items in FAQ's, and I often neeed to re-read something so I can remember it!

Regards, Paul Harris
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: dean@unix1.realdec.com (Dean Banfield)
Subject: Junked postings to invalid groups
Organization: Real Decisions Corporation
Distribution: news
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:43:22 GMT

Hi,

I'm new to news administration, and I'm sorry if this is a FAQ:  Our junk
newsgroup gets posted nearly every day by someone trying to sell something
and posting to the group na.forsale, or some variant like na.watches.forsale.
Because our relay UUCP site sees the na, and we will accept stuff to the na
distribution, we get the article which is summarily junked.  Any way to cut
this off at the pass?  Thanks for any advice in advance.

-Dean
--
===============================================================
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Real Decisions Corporation   Voice: 203.656.1500
22 Thorndal Circle             FAX: 203.656.1659
Darien, CT  USA 06820        Email: dean@rdcalr.realdec.com
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===============================================================
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Real Decisions Corporation   Voice: 203.656.1500
22 Thorndal Circle             FAX: 203.656.1659
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Problem with 'usa' distribution
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:53:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.191954.22811@unipalm.co.uk> ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps) writes:

>pfritsch@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle) writes:
>
>>Should it work? Or is that a non-existent distribution?
>
>It should, but it doesn't.  There are *lots* of postings restricted to
>"usa" without any particular reason, so many news admins outside the USA
>accept them (and "na").
>
>Why didn't you want us to see your article?

Is that really your concern?  People have all kinds of reasons for
posting articles with limited distributions on them; perhaps he was
asking about a US-specific television show, or some other bit of U.S.
trivia.  I know people who, when asking a simple question on a
technical newsgroup, will limit the distribution to their immediate
geographic area so as not to trouble the rest of the world with it.

I agree that it's annoying to see people post limited-distibution
articles for no visible reason, but I don't think this is the
solution.  It defeats the purpose.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: lawrence@combdyn.com (Lawrence Chen)
Subject: Re: Problem with 'usa' distribution
Organization: Combustion Dynamics Ltd.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:01:33 GMT

In article <JAAPJL.93Jan25125620@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>Newsadmins are notably independent cusses :-) who configure sys files
>the way they want to, and this includes passing Distribution: usa to
>sites not physically in the USA but readers are interested (perhaps
>temporarily assigned elsewhere, or going to school).  Canadians, for
>example, are also often interested in Distribution: usa, due to
>proximity.
>
The reverse also works.....usa sites receiving articles with Distribution: can

I'm a Canadian site and get my feed (including can.*) groups via a US site.....
>--
>J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
>    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
>         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001


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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: mathieu@ncrcis.stpaul.ncr.com (Tom Mathieu [7143])
Subject: Trouble with "From" line (repost)
Organization: NCR NPD Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:15:08 GMT


This is a repost because I didn't get the right address in the From
line on the first try.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Does anybody know how to make rn put the correct information in the
"From" portion of the header?

When I post an article, something puts the wrong address in the From
line.  The only way around this is to manually put my address in the
Sender line when I compose my article.  (Done using 'f' followup)

If I use Pnews, it works without editing the Sender line/From line.

My guess is that some environmental variable is getting fed the
wrong information... I just don't know what variable and how to fix
it.

HELP!

Thanks,

Tom Mathieu
mathieu@ncrcis.stpaul.ncr.com

Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: Forgery
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:53:54 GMT

Sigh.

I already explained what happened to Coyt and the news admins at OSU.

1) Coyt posted a valid cancel message, which got mailed to me because
he was cancelling a message in news.answers.

2) I approved the message and posted it.

3) Some other funny guy took that message, modified the Control
header, and posted it again.  It got mailed to me again.

4) I didn't notice the modified Control header, thought it was just
another valid cancel message from Coyt, approved it and posted it.

So trying to track down the originating site of the forged control message
isn't going to help.  I admit right now that it originated from MIT, since I
posted it :-).

Unfortunately, I did not save the E-mail messages containing the bogus control
messages, so I can't check the Received headers to find out where they came
from.  There probably isn't much point to it anyway.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
Aktis, Inc.                                    Moderator, *.answers
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Articles rejected at news.uu.net during the past week
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:48:53 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

Please note that news.uu.net had a software bug for two or three days so
it rejected some valid articles, and the error reports were also wrong.
This was fixed, and the articles rejected were inedeed later accepted.

Sorry for the delay.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: jerbo@mwblind (Jeremy Bettis)
Subject: Re: fascist inews refuses short replies- Solution?
Organization: Midwest Venetian Blind
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:02:59 GMT

mark@wehi.edu.au (Mark Watson) writes:

>  Perhaps there should be a .inewsrc file that contains
>a flag to 'override quote_check' for those that feel in necessary to 
>quote a lot (or all) of an article as part of replying.

>  The bottom line here is maximizing user configurability since you can
>NEVER satify all users.

I don't think this is an option, as the news systems which are throwing out
more than 1/2 quoted messages are doing it for ALL, not just local posts.
(At least this is the case around here, my news gets out through the Univ of
Nebraska which is running INN and it tosses out messages which are more than
1/2 quoted material.)
-- 
          ---> Jerbo Jehoshaphat <---         -------> Jeremy Bettis <-------
INTERNET: jbettis@cse.unl.edu            )(   "People who stand in the middle
UUCP:   ..mmedia!mwblind!jerbo         )(**)(  of the road are often hit by
          	-*-                      )(    passing cars."    -*-
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From: james@animal.csd.scarolina.edu (James Simmons)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Newsfeed needed for Monmouth County, NJ
Date: 23 Jan 1993 17:07:36 -0500
Organization: Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: james@bigbird.csd.scarolina.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: animal.csd.scarolina.edu
Summary: Newsfeed needed for Freehold area of New Jersey
Keywords: Needed, News, Feed, Monmouth, Freehold, NJ

Our user group is in need of a newsfeed within Monmouth County NJ. We will
be relocating the group to that area in February. We use an NCR Tower 650 for
news storage, archives, and our BBS. Transfer is -via- 2400 baud MNP5 modem.

Any help will be appreciated. A contact number in Monmouth County will be
needed for contact after the move.

Thanks All,
James A. Simmons, President
The Personal Computer User Group, International
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: au414@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sean P. Ryan)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Looking for Brian Reid's "Usenet Readership Report" postings
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:57:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking for anyone who still has copies of Brian Reid's
"Usenet Readership Report for mo/yr" articles for the months of
January through October of 1992.  If you do, please let me know.

Note: My preferred method of retrieval of these articles would
be by FTP.  Mail here might balk at the sheer size of those files.
Anyway, let me know and thanks in advance.
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Scanning out the "For your newsgroups file: " line
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:04:53 GMT
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.

In article <1993Jan25.070159.16581@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
writes:
>And so it is, if you use awk rather than sed.  In new awk:
>	awk '/^For your newsgroups file:/ {getline; print; exit}'

	sed '1,/^For your newsgroups file:/d; q'

works on all the machines I have access to, and is shorter.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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From: gtd543a@prism.gatech.EDU (death)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Site wanted for mailing list
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:33:05 GMT
Reply-To: gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu
Followup-To: news.admin.misc
Organization: Purgatory

Would any kind sys admin allow me and my list find a home?  The
local ListServ (it's on bitnet) here at georgia tech only allows
school-related lists to be installed there.

My list is a small traffic, small membership list.  I would like
to run it from listserv.

Any and all help is appreciated!

(It would be nice if someone would set up a listserv site where
this kind of thing is automated)
-- 
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