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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: WWIV flexi? UUCP Op, WWCP? VBBS..
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:14:40 GMT

In article <C1IuHM.Dt5@javelin.sim.es.com>, tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel) writes:
> i'm putting up a board in february with a UUCP connection.  i'm searching for
> the 'best' options in regards to BBS software.  i ran a WWIV board back in the
> days of version 3.21D and have called BBS' running later versions -- some i'm
> familiar with that package.  thought it was decent, but it's not like i'm
> emotionally attached to it or anything.
> 
> how flexible is the latest version of WWIV?  do i need source to change around
> the menu commands; for instance adding and deleting items?  a particular
> function i want to pull off is to run a 'door' from the base menu.  oh, and
> what _is_ the latest version of WWIV?
> 
> i'm talking about WWIV because i was thinking of running waffle under it.  i
> sure would like to see waffle in action before i go about setting it up.  any
> volunteers?
> 
> and finally, i did get a response earlier on a similar topic talking about
> "Virtual BBS".  i have yet to check it out for myself, but it sounds pretty
> cool.
> 
> i welcome comments and/or suggestions... although my past experience with this
> newsgroup has been pretty meager in regards to responses.  maybe YOU can
> change that fact by RESPONDING.
> -- 
> 	       there is no religion when a man has  good curry
> 				       -
>       tim clinkenpeel: aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist.
> 		     -- i exclusively represent myself --

Last version of WWIV that I have heard of is WWIV 4.21, Net30 (for WWIVnet
netting). There is a file to convert Waffle packets to WWIVnet and visa-versa
called WWCP, send email to 1-9704@wwiv.cojones.com or roy@cybrspc.com and ask
about it... I think you can get a copy of it someplace FTP (not sure).
You would need the source code (about $50 for source) and TC++ (I believe) to
edit the source, to add the "." to the base WFC menu is easy.. I did it by
moving some code around from inside the source.. not sure of the MOD I tused..
MOD=Modification for WWIV source code.. Ask Filo if you can about MODs..
If you can email on WWIVnet send email to 1@9714 or 1@501 for info..
the 1@501 is a WWCP gateway to waffle(?) I think..

Far as I know there is no source code out for VBBS, but last I heard someone in
Ireland (Northern?) wrote a modification for it so that VBBS can gate to
fidonet or was it UUCP, inclluding WWIV and VBBS nets..

IF you can get ahold of WWIV or VBBS netted BBSes might ask around there to..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad2.alaska.edu
(used to be 1@9709 on WWIVnet)
From: wdevine@andrew.cea.pvamu.edu (William Devine II)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: internet mail on apple?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:19:20 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cea.pvamu.edu

Can someone tell me the names of some good apple ii bbs's that will
allow internet and usenet mail?  I'm looking for something that will
allow me to use my home bbs to dial into my school's unix (where i work)
and download whatever mail i have for my bbs, decode it, post it, then 
encode whatever mail i have to send, send it, and have the unix decode
it.  I already have some mdss thing for the unix but i don't have proline.
Are there any other bbs programs i could use or is there some type of
door that i could use to encode whatever mail i have in text files and then
dial into the unix, compress, send etc..?  I already have a bbs programt
that i'm running now and can modify it as needed.  I can have a text reader
program read however they are set up and then encode the files to proline
like and mail them.  That's all i'm looking for..oh, and maybe a small 4-5
group usenet feed with send and everything.  I can handle that
part to an extent after i get the internet mail thing solved.

thanx!

william c devine ii

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                                  William C. Devine, II
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell)
Subject: Re: DTS-0001 proposed standard
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:40:29 GMT

I fully agree with you concerning standards, but some thing in your
message seemed odd. Like your way of writing dates. The ISO stanard
dfor this is YYYYMMDD and, if intended for human readers, YYYY-MM-DD
not DAY MON YEAR as you suggested.

--
mikael cardell <cardell@lysator.liu.se>

          S P U N K  P R E S S
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: BBS Development Report
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:16:42 GMT

BBS Development:

Things I have noticed..

Ansi detect?

GIF Menus?

Drivers: Sesm to be the idea/OVL or someting to modify a BBS to the Sysops
specs.. and machine..

UNIX seems okay, but..

Full Screen Editors..

Will have to review the messages I have gotten so far and post a synopsis..

Doors: Maybe a multi convertor program?? I saw a thing on the new Telix 320
HOSTPLUS..

I do know the BBS Development Newsgroup is a definite good idea, have recieve
some 15-20 confirmations YESes..

Any other things I forgot.. I probably did..

==
Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad2.alaska.edu

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: DTS-0001 proposed standard
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:29:46 GMT

In article <24JAN93.01717854.0033@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> T0FG <T0FG@UNB.CA> writes:
|Proposed DTS-0001 0.07 beta standard follows:
|
||       Net addresses:      <zone>:<net>/<node>.<point>@<organization>
||           Expressed  as a 5d net  address including the zone,  network,
||           node, optional point, and optional organization. These values
||           (except the organization of course) have values between 0 and
||           32767.

Well, that's great for FidoNet, but what about WWIVnet, VirtualNet, RIME,
and the Internet, which use different forms of addressing?  You'd be better
off with allowing arbitrary strings in the net address field.

||       File sizes:         <kilobytes>
||           Expressed in number of kilobytes. Kilobytes range from 0 to
||           2147483647 (signed long).

Why would you ever use a negative file size?  (And why not say "signed 32-bit
quantity, instead of using the barely useful number 2147483647?)

|        PORTADDR    = <addr>
||           Description:    This setting contains the i/o address for the
||                           communication port. This value must be expressed
||                           as an decimal integer.

Even though these are almost always specified in hex.  That makes sense.

|        USER        = <users name>
||           Description:    This setting contains the name of the user.
||           Range:          String not more than 32 characters in length.

This seems like an awfully arbitrary limit.  Why limit any of these strings
at all?

|        EXPIRES     = <account expiration date>

You don't allow "none" as a date, requiring BBS's that do not expire accounts
to make up bogus expiration dates.

Once again, there seem to be arbitrary, restrictive string ranges here.
Has no one heard of malloc?

|        MSGAREA     = <text description of message area replying to>
||           Range:          String not more than 32 characters in length.
|
|        REPLYINGTO  = <name of person replying to>
||           Range:          String not more than 32 characters in length.
|
|        REPLYTOPIC  = <topic reply is about>
||           Range:          String not more than 32 characters in length.

This one is especially ridiculous, and makes this format completley useless
for use on BBS's that have USENET - subjects are quite often longer than
32 characters.

  Bill
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From: T0FG <T0FG@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: DTS-0001 proposed standard
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:31:09 GMT

In article <C1DqzI.53F@lysator.liu.se> cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell) writes:
>I fully agree with you concerning standards, but some thing in your
>message seemed odd. Like your way of writing dates. The ISO stanard
>dfor this is YYYYMMDD and, if intended for human readers, YYYY-MM-DD
>not DAY MON YEAR as you suggested.

I will raise the issue of date order again.  I have since come
across ISO documents concerning the intentions of having the
YYYYMMDD format, and it would appear to be easy to implement the ISO
standard format in human readable format without breaking the
American (read non-Canadian) style proposed in that document.

That and the mail address and mail subject line issues.  Of
particular interest to me, is how are mailers in the Unix
environment interfaced to BBS software (ie. how is the data
concerning user mail addresses, etc. handled?)

Will.


---------------------------------------- William Burrow
Internet:  t0fg@unb.ca                      |
           will@1.f14.n255.z1.fidonet.org   |
Fidonet:  1:255/14.1                        |
From: jvinson@xsoft.xerox.com (Jeffrey A Vinson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Internet access
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:23:21 GMT
X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA01346; Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:23:58 -0800
X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA12968; Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:23:57 -0800
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X-To: alt.bbs.usenet

Hi netters,

I am search of cheap (free if possible) internet email sites in the
following area codes:

	(302) - Delaware
	(919) - Raleigh

so my relatives can log in from home, and send me email cross country.

Please inform me of such sites if possible.

Thank you,
Jeff Vinson
vinson@migration.com
From: lbrodsky@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Lloyd Brodsky)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Listserver Info Sought
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:39:41 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


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From: petrilli@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: DTS-0001 proposed standard
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:11:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundency Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu

In article <25JAN93.01484297.0042@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> T0FG@UNB.CA (T0FG000) writes:
>Note: this is not an attempt to standardize BBS software!  Only the
>interface between BBS software and external programs.  BBS software
>design is intentionally left out of this document.  Further, it is not
>intended to restrict other means that the BBS and external software
>may use to communicate with each other, only to provide one method that
>is satisfactory for both BBS authors and door authors in a BBS-software
>independent fashion.

The problem I have is that it creates yet another set of "islands" in
the network that have to be interfaced.  Given, those islands are
larger, but they are still islands.  It would be better to ignore the
"operating system specific" concepts and go for REAL standards that are
usable by everyone rather than a subset.  There's so much that is left
out of this document that it's difficult to use.

>This is one attempt to generate and support standards that do exist.
>The document was created over the Fidonet system, and the standards
>in place in that network obviously hold large sway in the document.
>Personally, such issues as date format I have brought up already.  I
>am Canadian, and do not use the American month/day/year format
>either.  The issue with mail addresses supporting other networks is
>an important one - since BBS systems that attempt to use this
>interface will find the Fidonet format useless if they do not
>themselves use Fidonet.

The best thing to do is just simply adopt the Internet standard which
will allow for almost anything on the face of the planet.  The date
standard I mentioned is the european one, not the american one.

>In the DOS BBS world, the wheel is vaguely polygonal.  Being square
>is an advancement. :) The standard is not an attempt to interface
>machines, it is solely a device that communicates with programs
>'external' to the BBS software.  I don't have a Unix BBS, so I am
>unsure of what needs exist in that particular area.  If you have
>particular indications of Internet standards that define this area,
>I would be pleased to see those as well.  Before I go, I would like
>to know where the repositary is for the RFC-* documents?  The one
>relevant to mail software may be required in order to correctly
>implement Internet style addressing...

RFCs and other Internet documents are available via anonymous FTP at
nic.ddn.mil.  There's an index file there (there are currently 1400 RFCs
and several hundered Internet Drafts).

Chris
-- 
| Chris Petrilli                                             ____
| petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu             ``Quayle is a bozoe.'' \  /
| I don't even speak for myself.                              \/
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: s_fuller@iastate.edu (Steve Fuller)
Subject: Re: Telegard/Renegade
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:50:49 GMT

There are A LOT of differences between Renegade and Telegard, and
a majority of the the code has been completely rewritten.....


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From: eros@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (In UNIX no one can hear you scream.)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Help!
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:17:03 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: ursula.ee.pdx.edu

I am looking for a terminal program for a sun 3/60 so I can have a nice
interface when I dial out. Either straight Sun, Sun Openwindows, or X-Windows
based would be best. Thanks!!!
			Adam Harrison
			 eros@ursula.ee.pdx.edu
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Warning: I'm a member of R.S.A.I.G.O.U.P.W.H.N.B.T.D.W.T.T.T.W.M.- Rushed
	Students Against Idle Gossip Of Uninteresting People Who Have 
	Nothing Better To Do With Their Time Than Waste Mine.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop
From: djg2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (David J. Greenberger)
Subject: Re: BBS Development ideas.. Some thoughts..
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:41:59 GMT

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>Some basic ideas on what a new style BBS shold have.

>Nettable to two or more networks (drivers?) (WWIVnet, Fidonet, Internet,
>Usenet).

Please don't forget the smaller network formats such as the PostLink/PCRelay
and QWK network formats (used on such networks as RIME, CatNET, SmartNet,
ILink, and *many* more)!  They're smaller than the ones you've mentioned
(actually, I'm not so sure about WWIVnet -- I don't think there's a single node
in New York State), but they're still quite popular.
--
|      David J. Greenberger      |   BBS: (212) 496-8324          |
|      106 West Avenue           |   Internet: djg2@cornell.edu   |
|      Ithaca, NY 14850          |   RIME: Common, ->48           |
|      (607) 272-2137            |                                |
From: Ben.Molto@f100.n519.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Ben Molto)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: BBS...
Date: 20 Jan 93 00:04:11 GMT

Call:

                                                                       /\     
               /\
                    /\                         /\
                      Sysop TymeStreem

                            CALL
                         BUCCANEERS
                            DEN

                          824-8719


                       Lots of Filez
                     Great Message Bases
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: BBS Software that works w/OS/2
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:29:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.75115.1001@ms.uky.edu> serich00@nx39.mik.uky.edu (stephen e richardson) writes:
)
)I just obtained OS/2 and I'm looking for a bbs package that'll work well  
)with it.  If anyone could reccomend anything, and let me know where to FTP  
)or FREQ it from, I would greatly appreciate it.

I run WWIV 4.21a (a DOS program) under OS/2.  I am often logged in at the
same time a user is on, and have never had problems with it.  It will answer
the phone and perform all its other functions, even when minimized to an
icon.
-- 
  "It begins here--an army--to bring sense to a world plagued by worse than
   thieves and murderers. This will be a good life... good enough."
             Bruce Wayne, "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns"
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                     WWIVNet 1@2750  WWIVLink 1@12754
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: 3386838@Jeff-Lab.QueensU.CA (Wes Garland)
Subject: Re: Write your own online games (Pascal)
Reply-To: 3386838@Jeff-Lab.QueensU.CA
Organization: Terminal Velocity Kingston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:05:36 GMT

Hi Andrew!

Is BOI available for FTP anywhere? If not, can you make it available for us?
What version of TP will it work with?  I don't want to have to buy 7.0 if I
don't have to.

Cheers,
Wes

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+------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
|  Wes Garland                 | The Admiral                                 | 
|  Queen's University          | Terminal Velocity Kingston                  |
|  Kingston, Ontario, CANADA   | Fidonet 1:249/128                           |
|______________________________|_____________________________________________|
|  3386838@jeff-lab.queensu.ca | Pump up with Jim Kirk at the He's Dead Gym! |
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: GIF Menus on BBSs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:07:50 GMT

I noticed a thread forming on BBS design, and graphic interfaces was one of
the major points I heard.  (BTW:  I'm all for a BBS design newsgroup)

I came up with an idea about a year or two ago, when I was planning on
writing my own BBS code.  This is what I had wanted to do in my board (plus
other "new" things):

GIF MENUS!

Yes, I know to transfer the menu everytime would take forever, particularly
at the slower speeds.  But, why not do something like this:

It's a given that a special term program will have to be written to allow
for graphics to begin with.  What the term program would do, however, is 
receive a VERY short code from the remote host, perhaps a filename and a
date.  It would check to see if it has the filename (which would be the GIF
file) and check it's date to make sure it's current.  If these were not
true (ie no file or older file), the board (or term program) would prompt
the user if they wanted to d/l the new menu, and then (if yes) run a ZModem
(or some protocol) download of the proper menu.  BUT it would keep the menu
on the user's harddrive, so the user wouldn't have to d/l the menu everytime.
Once the menus are d/led, the display time for a menu would only be limited
by the user's computer system, and not the comm rate.  Of course, the board
would also allow ANSI/ASCII logons as well, and volatile information (file
dirs, messages) would still have to be transferred by normal means.

I also had some ideas on mouse-driven menus using a similar idea (special
term + board codes).

...Paul



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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Semi-Intelligent Droids...WHERE?+
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:10:15 GMT

In article <4090010@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
> When I first got into BBS'ing, I found a game called "Semi-Intelligent Droids".
> 
> I'm now running my own board, but can not find this door.
> 
> HELP!  Source, home, or support...does this program still exist?
> 
> aites@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
> 


Check out the following BBSes.. They might have them. OR any Galacticom BBS..

907-272-2926 (Golden Lions), 907-258-1528 (Leather and Lace)..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad2.alaska.edu
From: adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin)
Subject: Re: GIF Menus on BBSs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:18:07 GMT

There's already a way to do this: NAPLPS.  This is the graphics format
used by Prodigy, but one can do a lot more with it than they do.  NAPLPS
is much better than GIF, IMHO, because its files tend to be *A LOT*
smaller (especially if you're talking about something like menus).  And it
has the user-end processing you're talking about; i.e., a NAPLPS menu is
really a set of directions to your telecom program to draw something on
the screen, rather than a full-fledged graphics file.

The format's been around for awhile, but hadn't gone too far until
recently.  Microstar, the major NAPLPS developer, however, has released a
shareware version of its drawing tool kit as well as its terminal program,
which is, unfortunately, really poor (it doesn't support file transfers
for example).
 
But Dave Hughes of Colorado, probably *THE* NAPLPS advocate, is currently
working with a team of Russian programmers to develop a decent terminal
program; word is it will be released soon.  Randy Harris, a Massachusetts
programmer has developed a really nifty system to integrate NAPLPS into
TBBS -- it automatically switches between NAPLPS, ANSI, etc., and he's
designed some really beautiful menus and templates.


-- 
Adam Gaffin
Middlesex News, Framingham, Mass.
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Voice: (508) 626-3968. Fred the Middlesex News Computer: (508) 872-8461.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: T0FG000 <T0FG@UNB.CA>
Subject: Apologies to Chris Petrilli
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:21:38 GMT


This just has to have been a really bad day.

My apologies for misspelling your name in my previous messages.  No
intention of doing so, and I hope that doing so will not contrue any
other unintended slant to them.

Will.


---------------------------------------- William Burrow
Internet:  t0fg@unb.ca                      |
           will@p1.f14.n255.z1.fidonet.org  | I'm not UNB, thats
Fidonet:  1:255/14.1                        | someone else...
From: lbrodsky@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Lloyd Brodsky)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Internet Feed
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:31:25 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


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