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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Usenet and $$$
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:38:14 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Garth Longdon) writes:
> ---
> Dave,
> 

> I hope you didn't take any part of my commentary  as  indicating  that
> the league Secretary couldn't be trusted with the money; this would be
> the least of my concerns, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that --
> sorry if it came across that way.

I didn't... I just figured I best say that for everyones sake.

> 
> Actually, a lot of my attitude about this comes from the fact that I'm
> still bitter about a summer league I was in this year, where a team of
> 5 known ~200  average  bowlers  sandbagged  their asses off the entire
> season, averaging  ~170-180, and then miraculously shot well over 3000
> the last night.  And it's not even that this  personally  affected  me
> (my team was out of it the whole  season), it just annoys the hell out
> of me to see someone get away with something like that.

I know how this  feels...  As a  sectretary  I have been rooked out of
money by having a team leave early and "forget" to pay.


> Aki comments later:

>> Besides, it's only $10 or $20 either  way...less  than what most of us
>> will spend on drinks/food etc on a league night.

> It's not the size of the individual  contribution  that bothers me; as
> you point  out,  $10-$20  over a season  won't  kill me one way or the
> other.  Just the idea that the  potential  exists for someone to cheat
> others out of a larger prize.  However,  since Dave will be monitoring
> scores,  this is much less of a threat than  otherwise.  Anyway,  what
> the hell, it sounds like fun, count me in.

Welcome to the Fray!

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: FBL => ok.. maybe my mind has slipped.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:13:05 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond) writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.181258.13007@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave
> Fleck) writes:
> |>
> 	Dave, is this your first? Rather it's your first or tenth
> congratulations from a two time dad.

This be the first!  Getting kinda anxious for the little critter to show
his/her head.

Dave
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: it almost makes my eyes water...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A723E1E997312631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:37:45 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.235854.1412@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Mark Fujimoto,
c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu writes:
>Ok, I'll bite...just which balls were "we" able to obtain that
>were "not available to the general public"?
>
>I know what you were trying to say, but it does need some clarifica-
>tion.  It is possible that a casual a.s.b. reader of this statement 
>might believe that there are balls produced explicitly for the a.s.b. 
>newsgroup.  Suffice it to say that a.s.b. readers get wind of (and 
>the option to purchase some) new equipment not yet, but eventually, 
>made available to the public.


Lighten up padre...look at the time I posted that msg...I was at
home, had several (and I mean SEVERAL) beers.  Considering
I was posting it at 9600 baud, my eyes were blurred, and I tried
very hard not to make any spelling mistakes, I think I did ok.

Phffffttt!!! So there! ;-)     (but thanks for clearing that up) 

OBTW..."...not yet, but eventually, made available to the public" is not
necessarily true..it's rare, but I've heard of demo or prototype balls 
offered to PBA members, that for one reason or another, were never
manufactured in mass quantity for the general public and was
eventually dropped by the manufacturer.  Mind you these balls were
not approved for PBA tourneys.  On the other hand, if they ARE approved
for PBA tournaments, then they will most likely be avail in the
near future for everyone.

Thought, I'd just clear that up... :-)

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Subject: Re: Current FBL Member list
Originator: mahunt@c00315-2114bl.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Organization: Hunt Technologies
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:03:02 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.234722.2564@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Current FBL Member list
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:47:22 EST
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

So far we have 13 bowlers:

Me
Aki
Bob Ashley
Mark Miller
Pamela Fitts
Jeff Hammond
Jeff's Wife (my apologies to Jeff's wife for calling her Jeff's wife..but I 
	     don't know her name yet! and who knows.. she might not want to be
	     called Jeff's wife! aki's probably wouldn't!)
Dave Dalke
Michael Ward
Anne Woods
Paul Palmer
Carl Chesbrough
Tammy Chesbrough


Also,

Bob A has a  motion  for 80% of 200 on the  floor...  I  would  second
it...  but since I am  playing  secretary  I will  leave it to someone
else to second!


We still need more peoples!!!!!!!!  There are a lot of regulars on here
whom we haven't heard from yet!!

Dave "The pushy Sec.(but not as pushy as Bob A!!)" Fleck

==========================================================================

I would like to join the fantasy league also

my avg. is a 160 on my one and only league sunday.

Mark Hunt

mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Usenet and $$$
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:39:34 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Garth Longdon) writes:

> Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm  building about FBL, but you all
> might  want to think  twice  about  combining  Usenet  and  money  (or
> anything of value, including bowling balls).

> Things  like  score  verification,  which  wouldn't  be an issue  in a
> strictly-for-fun  league,  could get really  ugly  around the last few
> weeks, when scores start  mysteriously  escalating.  Think of how many
> times  you've seen people  cheat right in front of you  (sandbagging),
> and think how much  easier it would be to tack on a few (or few dozen)
> pins to your score reports for that big match....

Garth  your  point is well  taken  and we have  discussed  this.  This
obviously can be exploited if someone were to choose to do so.  I will
be  monitoring  the scores  during the entire  league  and if we see a
sudden  change  near the end then I will check  with the  ABC/WIBC  to
verify  the  scores.  It will  take  more  than one  person  to make a
diffrence  and since most of the teams will be made up of people  from
all over the US and  england so far it will be very hard to cheat.  If
these were 2 man teams I would be far more concerned.  But as it looks
now we will have 4 people teams with a wide spread of peoples.  I hope
you join.  It could be a nice way to win a new  bowling  ball for only
$10-20 dollars.

I also  plan on  having  the money  sent to  either me or Barry 3 or 4
weeks prior to the end of the league.

As for my  background...  I am an Engineer at Hewlett Packard and have
been for 8  years...  my income is enough  that I don't have a need to
take from others.  I have also been a sanctoined  League  Secretary in
the past.  I just came up with the idea...  It will be fun.

Dave
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Misc things that piss me off...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:00:17 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.010532.5390@uws.EDU.AU> josborne@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Jason Osborne) writes:
>mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg) writes:
>: 18. Entirely-above-the-lane ball returns which get in the way when
>:     you're trying to shoot cross alley (Can you say "broken foot"?). 
>: 
>: 					MGG
>I totally agree with this, we have a couple of centres Down Under
>that have these blasted things. I bowled at one 2 weeks ago and I
>Kept hitting my right leg on the ball return on the right hand lane.
>[...]
>My solution is not to bowl at any place that has those type of ball
>returns.
>
Oddly enough, there is a center in Utah that actually replaced their
undergrounds with over-grounds.  They had a lacquer explosion around 
1968 and had to rebuild the center from the ground up.  A later addition
of new lane beds in the center has, of course, undergrounds...

Thankfully, over-grounds are becoming more scarce as time goes on.  
I'm still waiting for the day the whole ball return is completely
off the approaches...


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From: cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Subject: SGBS		
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: cookinga@yukon.fishkill.ibm.com (Andy Cookingham)
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Sometimes our entire team gets the SGBS, so we talked about it. What we
found is that a lot of the time
we are rehashing the first game (regardless if it was won or lost) to
the point that we find ourselves	
in trouble by the 5th frame. It is true that if the first game was a
loss we tend to do this more, but 
either way it interfers with the second game.

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From: mdward01@nx15.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward)
Subject: Re: FBL
Reply-To: JPG
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:14:57 GMT

I'd like to join that Fantasy Bowling League if I could!!   Thanks!!!

Michael Ward
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:52:10 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Misc things that piss me off...

In article <92310.21318.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM says:
>
>To the guy who is rude to the early squad that is not finished when your
>league time comes up:

Sorry, Pamela.  I expect it is me you're refering to.  I never suggested being
rude to anyone because of how long it take for them to bowl.  I don't mind
at all waiting for the first shift to finish their set.  Aki didn't even
complain about how long it takes for the early shift to finish.

What I suggested was being rude to the early shift that finishes and then
loiters in the area where the next shift needs to be setting up.  Of course,
we all know that you'd never do that.  And anyone who does do that would have
a real hard time trying to blame it on equipment, the porters, the mechanics,
the automatic resetter, the Centers' management, crappy equipment, low paid
personnel, greed, stupidity, or time management ideas!                         y

Whew!  That felt good to get that load off my chest!

Relax, its MAX.
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: it almost makes my eyes water...
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:58:54 GMT


In article <1992Nov7.005039.14050@worldbank.org> aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>
>Since this newsgroup was formed: 
>
>2. We were able to obtain bowling balls not available to the
>general public.

Ok, I'll bite...just which balls were "we" able to obtain that
were "not available to the general public"?

I know what you were trying to say, but it does need some clarifica-
tion.  It is possible that a casual a.s.b. reader of this statement 
might believe that there are balls produced explicitly for the a.s.b. 
newsgroup.  Suffice it to say that a.s.b. readers get wind of (and 
the option to purchase some) new equipment not yet, but eventually, 
made available to the public.

> 	[ rest deleted ]

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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: All kind of stuff
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 14:00:16 GMT

In article <Bx9ozw.DuI@csi.compuserve.com>, dfo@csi.compuserve.com
(Duane Ott) writes:
|>In article <1992Nov5.021322.12278@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
|>>Speaking of which...Anyone out there ever hear of a "Guts" league?
|>>This is a league where you *cannot* use urethane equipment -- only
|>>plastic or rubber (no LT-48's or soakers, either) balls.  A few
|>>houses in Southern Cal have attempted to start leagues of this 
|>>nature; I'd bowl if I was still living there.  It would be in-
|>>teresting to see what kind of "bowlers" would actually patronize
|>>this league...hmmm...
|>>
|>
|>Yeh, a house here in Columbus has had a summer scratch singles league like
|>that the last couple years. Everyone has to use an identical ball (I forget
|>the brand, but it's hard plastic). I haven't entered it, but a lot of good
|>bowlers have. I think the high average wasn't much over 200. Maybe even less.
	I've never heard of these but it sure seem like fun.
I use 1 ball only and work it under whatever lane conditions.
Unfortunally my ave has been between 185 & 188 for 10 or so years.
Consistent yes but frustrating. I will probably never turn pro
(maybe seniors tour)but just to know that only bowling 1 league
a week and I'm still able to meet the qualifing standards is
kind of like a personal lifetime goal I sometime hope to meet.
	Maybe this year
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From: wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu (Walter Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Suggestion for sub bowlers...
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:01:38 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group

In article <1992Nov11.145727.10026@worldbank.org> aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>Suggestion for sub bowlers...I'm sure that through the course of

sounds like a good idea to me.

walter
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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Quick FBL Note
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:20:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs Information Technology Center


I be out of the office today, but I will be back tommorrow (11/12).

There have been a lot of questions and such and I can't remember them all.

I have recieved (I am guessing now) about 10 new bowlers today.  So 
I am guessing we are at 55 members... I am amazed!

As far as the prize fund I have had a vast majority voting for the 
2nd option... $20 and multiple payoffs.

As far as point systems... I have left that out by mistake but I had 
every intention to use the 2x4=8 system.  I hate half points.

I like Aki's idea about the roving subs from this newsgroup, but I think
we would have to put some kind of cap on average... something like no more 
than 20 pins over the regular bowlers average.

I will post the Rules on the Net tommorrow and give a new member count.

Dave
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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: FBL => ok.. maybe my mind has slipped.
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 13:11:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.181258.13007@col.hp.com>, fleck@col.hp.com (Dave
Fleck) writes:
|>
|>You ask yourself  what the heck is a FBL.  Well...  I was sitting here
|>reading  about Bob's and Aki's  enjoyable  competition  and got a hair
|>brained  idea.  Does  anyone  think this  could be  viable...  Start a
|>fantasy  Bowling  league type thing.  Where we would  establish  teams
|>from the  bowlers on the net.  We would take our scores  from a league
|>that we bowl on each week and then apply  them to the  league  scores.
|>Obviously  such a thing  would take great  honestly  but I think  this
|>group could handle that.  
|>
|>What does everyone think?  Could be interesting...
|>
|>Team size? 2,3,4 or 5?
|>Handicap or scratch?
|>etc...etc...etc...
|>
|>Maybe I am losing my mind...  of course only 3 more weeks and I should
|>be a daddy...  so maybe that has something to do with it.
|>
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|>     |@     =>      @       =>      @        =>       @            o <=UGH!
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|>_____|______________________________________________________________
|>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>Dave Fleck                              Hewlett-Packard Co.  Colorado Springs
|>Internet: fleck@cs.itc.hp.com           Information Technology Center
                                  
	I think this would be a great idea. Team size could be
determined on the number of people interested. Sign my wife (155
ave) and myself (187 ave) up.
	Dave, is this your first? Rather it's your first or tenth
congratulations from a two time dad.

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The only true power of the universe| SO THERE!   |<------------+------------>
is that of the individual. The   |---------------|            /|\
only true individual is one      |    GO!!!      |           / | \
who knows his place in the cosmos|   COWBOYS     |         |/_ | _\|
and seeks to extend it. jjh      |    BILLS      |             |
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Looking for some guidance on distributing prize money
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A726B94C133F2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:21:16 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:23:00 GMT

In article <BxKALq.B9@ais.org> Alan Brushaber, alb@ais.org writes:
>
>  How does your league divide up prize money at the end of the season?
>Hoping for some kind of template to model after for my league this
>year. Any suggestions?
>

most leagues I've bowled in, have asked all bowlers (atleast the team
captain of each team) to show up the week following the last night
of bowling, usually same time and place.  By then the secretary
has put each placings money in a marked envelope, as well as
any individual awards in their own perspective envelopes.

Then...the individual awards are announced and handed out, followed by
any team awards (e.g. high series scratch/handicap etc), followed by
last through first place team money...

Is that what you were asking?

If not .......then never mind...sorry


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Garth Longdon)
Subject: Usenet and $$$
Reply-To: longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: Information Technology Division, Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:30:15 GMT


---

Hi  folks ...

Not to put a damper on the enthusiasm building about FBL, but you all might want to think
twice about combining Usenet and money (or anything of value, including bowling balls).

Things like score verification, which wouldn't be  an issue in a strictly-for-fun league,   could 
get really ugly around the last few weeks,  when scores start mysteriously escalating.    Think of
how many times you've seen people cheat right in front of you (sandbagging), and think how much
easier it would be to tack on a few (or few dozen) pins to your score reports for that big match....

Just a thought  (and not that any of *us* would actually think of doing that),

Garth

p.s.  Count me in if money is not involved, otherwise -- good luck!
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Suggestion for sub bowlers...
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X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:55:43 GMT
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:57:27 GMT


Suggestion for sub bowlers...I'm sure that through the course of
the FBL, there will be new readers that would like to join, but
will not be able to since the teams are full.  How about if those
people be the league floating subs?  That way we can have new
readers involved also.  Obviously they would not be eligible
for prizes etc....

This keeps just about everyone involved if they want to be...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
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From: steveg@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Steve Gabrilowitz)
Subject: Re: FBL Tidbits ...
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:38:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.175200.4535@europa.asd.contel.com>, ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:
|> 

|> Eight points ... YES!!!! ... as a League Secretary, I *HATE* half-points ...
|> almost as much as I hate pocket 7-10 splits ...

What I dislike about the 8 point system is that it has a (slight) lack of
fairness, if one team severely trounces the other in one game but loses the other
2 then the night would be an even split on the 8 point system, I think the 7
point system is more fair because it gives the team that won the 2 games a slight
lead in that situation.  Maybe use a 14 point system (4 per game, 2 for total) as
a comprimise to avoid that dreaded half point situation?

-- 



I think
I think I am
Therefore I am!
I think...



                            Steve Gabrilowitz
                            Martin Marietta, Orlando Fl.
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