From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh on Madonna (was Re: Summary Mon 10/5/92)
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: world,usa,alt,na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:16:34 GMT

In article <1atupdINNods@agate.berkeley.edu> henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew J. Henken) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.044143.16860@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
@ In article <1atlquINNn09@agate.berkeley.edu> henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew J. Henken) writes:
@ >
@ @ >In article <1992Oct6.001338.27975@s1.gov>, lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) says:
@ @ 
@ @ @         It seems that he _relished_ the thought of her being sexually
@ @ @ humiliated, which I find rather sick. Yes, sick. I think sex should be
@ @ @ for enjoyment, not for humiliation, whatever Rush Limbaugh may think.
@ 
@ >Perhaps the only thing less apetizing than Ted Danson giving the ecological
@ >forcast for the decade is Polly Purebread here standing before a goodly
@ >portion of the civilized world and proclaiming not only her ideas of the
@ >purpose of sex, but declaring her contempt for those who might not share
@ >her beady-eyed perspective.
@ 
@ 	So you think that trying not to humiliate others would take
@ all the fun out of sex?
>
>Not at all.  What I *do* think is that you are a typical liberal:  You are
>pleased as punch to praise the "questioning of traditional values" so long
>as they're not *your* values.  How pathetic.  You're all for the pushing of
>boundaries that you don't care for, claiming to be some sort of "free thinker"
>but in fact, you are a small-minded bigot who ridicules people who don't
>share your rigid sexual code.  How hypocritical and disgusting.  Also, how
>typical.  

	So you think it's actually OK to sexually humiliate other
people, while (if your views are what I think they are) cooperative
sex for mutual enjoyment between two unmarried people or two people of
the same sex is _wrong_?

	The "liberal" position on sex _does_ incorporate certain
restrictions on sexual conduct, principally restrictions on one person
forcing sex upon another. And if that is supposed to be a horrible
thing, then I'd like to know the reasons why.

@ 	Maybe we should report you to the Moral Majority sometime and
@ give your sexuality as an example of our decadent society's extremes
@ of kinkiness. And report Rush Limbaugh also.
>
>First, the Moral Majority (the organization) disbanded years ago.  What
>is so disturbing about you is that you display precisely the same attitude
>toward your own sacred cows as those bigots, but you think that (unlike the
>MM) *your* sacred cows really are sacred.  What a myopic joke you are. You
>think that those who don't share your views are (to use your own terms)
>"sick."  Sound familiar, Ms. Open-Minded?

	Then we'll report you to the Rev. Donald Wildman, er,
Wildmon's "American Family Association". Or the Rev. Lou Sheldon's
"Traditional Values Coalition". Or some similar group of Moral
Majoritarians.

	And from your charging that I'm committing a great sin by
trying to impose my values on you, I take it that you believe in
ethical relativism.

>"Censorship is OK, as long as I'm in charge."  Thanks, Loren.

	Same to you :-)

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