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From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron) writes:

>Good point!  I have seen many GM cars with this setup.  It's no wonder
>they're going under...  What other cars have belt anchors attached to the
>door?

Nissan sentra, circa 1990.

Ron
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Anybody into 64-73 musclecars?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:05:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.182434.23037@bmerh85.bnr.ca> seymour@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Seymour) writes:
>In an article by  gv9j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu, he says...
>>Not only that, it can burn the tires all the way to 70 mph.
>Gee I can see where that would come in handy.  I mean lots of hp and
>torque is great but isn't it usually more effective to get the power
>the the ground? I have driven cars with ~300 hp before but unless the
>suspension, weight and tires are up to the job, you really aren't
>accomplishing anything more than impressing the odd 14-16 year old.

All sarcasm aside, the point is not that he now has the ability to
impress the odd 14-16 year old by burning the tires at 70mph, but that
he has the ability to accelerate, to the limits of the rear tires'
traction, when he is already going 70mph.  That is impressive on any
car, regardless of what you think of lighting tires up at any speed.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin)
Subject: Mercury Villeger minivan
Reply-To: shin@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Chang Shin)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:58:08 GMT


A while ago, I saw someone posted the invoice price of Mercury Villeger.

Can anyone who has a copy send me one, please??

Thanks!

-Chang Shin

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cao@dali.ipl.rpi.edu (Tiehua Cao)
Subject: Start of 87' Toyota Camry LE
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:15:16 GMT

I just bought an used 87' Toyota Camry LE. I found that it's hard      
to push down the accelerate pedal during the first few seconds  
when I start the car after it is parked for several hours outside(even 
now the temperature is not cold). Is there any problem with it? Because it
is now still in warranty period, need I go to see the dealer? Thanks for 
for any suggestion. 

Tiehua Cao

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Test Car(s)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:38:30 GMT

I'm currently testing a '93 MR2 Turbo (poor man's NSX)
loaded with all the options, including the T-top.  Sticker
(estimated) about $22K.  Next week I share my experiences.

There has been some questions regarding the new Geo Prizm/Toyota
Corolla.  I' scheduled to do a ride-n-drive of the Prizm and some
of its competitors in early October and will do a post after that.

bob
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:02:25 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: rec.autos

|rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider) writes:
|
|>	The Geo Metro XFI is still the winner in the highest EPA city and
|>	highway MPG figures. It is higher than the VX. Since Geo is sold
|>	by GM, in a sense, Detroit did "top that" and has for several
|>	years.

The Geo Metro is really a Suzuki Swift.  Although GM owns 5% or 10%
or something of Suzuki, I wouldn't say it was Detroit who "top[ped]
that" for several years.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mikes@tellabs.com (Michael D. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: SHO Engine for Probe
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:25:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.162747.23225@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>SHO upgraded?  How?  (Let me guess... a chip, right?)  You can't do anything
>to an SHO to upgrade it.  How many aftermarket intakes can you get for the
>SHO?  Zip...  You know why?  Because it's already upgraded as far as it'll go!
>Can you get 2 1/2" exhaust for the SHO?  Nope!  Nobody makes it.  There just
>isn't any way to seriously upgrade the car, because it's already upgraded as
>far as it's going to go.  That's why it can compete with a stock 5.0.  Add a

Heh. The latest SHO Registry lists these Things You Can Install On Your SHO
If You Have The Money:

1) Borla True Dual Stainless Steel Exhaust (dyno-proven 38 hp at the wheels).
2) A Chip (Hypertech), just came out.
3) Adjustable (keyed) Camshafts
4) A Quaife Limited Slip Differential
5) An under-drive pulley set
6) High-flow air filters
7) A larger diameter mass air-flow sensor

There may be more that I can't remember.

The Registry guesstimates the total net HP of an SHO with all of the mods at
around 300HP. 

In addition, someone is working on a set of headers.

So, it is possible to spend quite a bit of money to make your SHO faster than
stock. IMHO, the SHO is a fine piece of work in stock form, and I could care
less if some kidney-pounding rattletrap Mustang is or is not faster.
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I'm not sure whose opinions these are.
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: After market merchandise catalog sought for Caravan/Voyager
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford) writes:
xIn about 3 hours I will be picking up my new 92
xPlymouth Voyager SE. My question is, has anyone
xever come across a merchandise catalog of after
xmarket products for thie vehicle, or for that
xmatter, mini-vans in general. If anyone has, please
xemail the catalog name, phone number, and/or
xaddress if possible.
x
xThanks in advance.
x
xScott Crawford
xAT&T Bell Labs
xTeam SABLIME
x908-580-5324
xatt!mozart!scott


Scott;
e-mail bounced so I'm posting.
Congratulations on the new mini. J. C. Whitney at:
1917-19 Archer Avenue
P.O. Box 8410
Chicago, ILL 60860
Phone (312)431-6102 24 hours/7 days

has a couple pages for minivans in their regular catalog.
Things like custom fit carpets, running boards,floor consoles,
mini-blinds etc. Chrysler also has some stuff available thru
their parts dept. They can probably tell you how to get the
catalog.
 Have fun! One word of warning though. Watch out for the brakes
in the wet especially if you're lightly loaded. Hit them too
hard and you'll spin, at least I've done it in our 1988 Grand
and have heard others have had problems too. Otherwise we love it.
Mack

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David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC    ___/-\____
Bethesda, MD 20084-5000   Phone (301) 227-2431          (__________>|

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: khan@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Coleman)
Subject: Re: Broken seat back ('86 Mustang LX) Ford in general
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:42:55 GMT

philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun) writes:

>In article <minor.715373979@coal8> minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor) writes:

>   Until recently, I would never buy a Ford. The majority of people I know
>   with Fords have them in the shop frequently.

>6 months in the shop on 13 separate occasions during my first 18
>months of ownership.  

Counter datapoint: '91 Mustang LX 5.0, NEVER been in the shop (except for
routine maintenance).

On the subject of seat backs: are there any aftermarket seats which are
stronger than the stock seats? Ever since that 60 Minutes report about
seats which break in low speed rear-end collisions, I've been thinking of
either reinforcing or replacing mine. If, say, a Recaro seat would withstand
a reasonable rear impact, it might help me play the old upgrade justification
game. ;-)

--
Scott Coleman                                                    tmkk@uiuc.edu

Free Advice: It is inadvisable to read Bush's lips at an official banquet.
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From: davet@ksr.com (Dave Teichholtz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT SALVAGED CARS!!!!!!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:35:26 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: vuksan@cs.swarthmore.edu's message of 15 Sep 92 16:48:40 EDT

In article <DJJQB82J@cc.swarthmore.edu> vuksan@cs.swarthmore.edu (Mario Vuksan) writes:

 <stuff about selling a Mazda with dented up body deleted>

>   The problem occured today when he called me saying that
>   he was not aware that the car is "salvaged", as it was 
>   stated on the Certificate of Title.  He claimed that the fact
>   that I haven't told him that it said "salvaged" on the
>   Certificate of Title invalidates the contract.

>   Now, a question: Is this right?

In my state (Mass) we just got a new set of laws last year which I think might 
be a bit similar to what is going on here. If one totals his car, and buys it
back from the insurance company, the title is no longer valid, and one has to
obtain a 'salvage title'. After the car has been repaired (or at least can 
pass the regular state inspection), it has to be brought to a state run 
special salvage inspection station, where the repairs are checked out. One 
also has to produce reciepts for all new and used parts! The car can then be
re-titled with a regular title.  The purpose of all this is really two fold:
1. The titles cost $50 a shot, and the inspection is about $75. So the state
gets a bunch of revenue! and two, it is supposed to cut down on auto theft
chop shops. 

Around here a car with a salvage title would have to be sold 'For parts
only', so the buyer would know what he was getting. 

Did you total your Mazda and buy it back? And can the buyer register and
insure the car with a Calif salvage title? If he cannot, then I would say
that you mislead him, although maybe not intentionally.

>   My ambiguities are that I was not even aware what the
>   word "salvaged" means (I am not 100% native speaker),

 Got a dictionary? :-)

-David

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(617) 895-9466                   Waltham Mass. 02154-1379

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They're both wrong
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: koziarzw@lonex.rl.af.mil (Walter Koziarz)
Subject: Re: sticky sliding door on Voyager
Organization: RL
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 13:49:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.161006.5696@terminator.cc.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:
>The sliding door on our Voyager has gotten VERY hard to slide in the last
>several weeks.  I sprayed all the "wheels" with WD40, which seemed to make
>a marginal improvement for about 2 days, and now it's harder to move than
>ever.

one suggestion is to never again use 'WD-40'... that stuff is bad news for
any mechanism it touches [ref:  find *any* reputable gunsmith and ask him/her
what WD-40 does to the action of the firearm.  specific ref:  gunsmith at
Perazzi U.S.A. -- fyi, Perazzi is the premier manfacturer of competition-
shotguns and rifles in the world; they recommend CRC-556 rather than WD-40].
a second suggestion is to lubricate the mechanism with the recommended lubricant
as specified in the manual.

Walt K.
From: twc@svcs1.UUCP (Ted Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Door Horror
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:12:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

From article <BuBKEI.9to@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan):
> 
> In article <ILH.92Sep9095500@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu> ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington) writes:
>>
>>That reminds me.  The parking lot at my old high school had their
>>lines repainted from perpendicular to angled.  The idiot painting them
>>did not realize that by angling the lines the spaces got narrower.
>>They were ridiculously narrow.  There's one person who did not get
>>much out of math/geometry class!
> 
> I guess I didn't get much out of my math classes either. I always
> thought that if you take a rectangle of width W and rotate it by X
> degrees about one of the vertices the rectangle still had a width of W.
> 
> spaces were rotated.

What you say about rotation about a corner is correct, but irrelevant
to the problem at hand.  The painter didn't rotate the space.  He
essentially deformed the rectangular space into a parallelogram.

--twc@legal.uucp

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO)
Subject: 10,000 Mile mark for Acclaim
Summary: It's still going...
Keywords: Still on the road...
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:46:25 GMT


Well, September 6,1992 around 2:00 p.m., ye olde Plymouth Acclaim(not to
be confused with the Plymouth settlement of 1620)turned over to 10k. It's
been a good 10k too...most of it highway. Took her into the service place
at 9k. Had noticed that their was squealing on the braked(but then this
DOES happen when the weather has adversely changed). They went ahead and
replaced pads and checked the brakes,AT NO COST TO ME!!!! very nice of them
I think. Aside from that, I have had NO problems at all with my Acclaim,and
can honestly say that I made a good choice. The car gives me the comfort,
performance(no more driving like a maniac...I have seen the *light*---no
not the police cruiser light either!),and overall satisfaction that I 
want from a car. Hope to carry this baby into the 100k mark(course, just
taking good care of it,and having it serviced regularly can help).

On the other hand, that new Dodge Intrepid with the 3.5L looks REALLY
good(I'll have to hit the lottery and get that one). Been seeing a few
of them as Thrifty rentals,here in the D.C. area.

BTW, has everyone heard about the LH recall??? Seems that Chrysler has a
supplier that enjoys making faulty spacers,which causes difficulty in
steering the LH beasts. Hmmmmmm....

curious virgo
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Paul "Axel" Virgo
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Hyndai Excel
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:05:17 GMT

In article <14SEP199221205023@cc.utah.edu> djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.145624.10126@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes...
>{In article <11SEP199222560729@cc.utah.edu> djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY) writes:
>{>In article <Bu4tHA.EzH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v069pff7@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snake-Eyes) writes...

>{Are you sure you are talking about the Hyundai Exel, maybe you are
>{thinking about the Sonata. The phrase that sticks to mind for me is
>{something along the lines, "The car is cheap, and driving it you know
>{it".
>{ 
>{In THEIR opinion the car is unreliable and in general much less
>{qualityhan a Honda Civic. Are you sure you read Consumer Reports????
>{ 

>out that the Excel was either the third or fifth largest selling import
>in that class in the late 80s.  Now it's not a Rolls Royce I'll grant you,
>bet generally an "unreliable" car doesn't do so well in sales.


Actually, I was talking about the magazine article from which they
had originally reviewed the car not the book which is a summary.
I'll go over to the library right now and look up BOTH to quote.

I remember this because my in laws recently were in the car market so
I looked at the Excel, since it was cheaper than the rest of the 
competetion and may have some virtues.. 

Also, just because something is well selling it doesn't mean that it
is a good car. The Ford Escort wasd the #1 selling car for a while
and I'd say they were other comptewtive cars that were much better.
Also, a car will sell more just because it is cheap and more
people can afford it in general. A Mercedes is not a high volume
car, but it is a good quality car.

And another note, Hyundai sales are down 50% compared to last year.
They are having a tough time keeping their market share.


john


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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:26:31 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep02.141708.39614@evolving.com> mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier) writes:

>	Then there was my WWII history buff college roommate (one of my best
>	friends from high school, but after rooming together, we weren't 
>	best friends, just roommates). He pointed out that Germany fought
>	for over 4 years with practically no oil supplies (can't vouch
>	for the validity of this claim, save the flames). So his question
>	was, where are the formulas for synthetic oil? Which side got 
>	them?

>MMF

What Germany did have access to was coal.  Lots of it.
The process to turn coal into gasoline or aviation fuel has been known for
decades.  The problem is, is that the process is expensive, much more
expensive than refining petroleum directly.

Another urban legend dies aborning.

BTW, South Africa also spent a lot of money developing coal conversion
facilities, and for pretty much the same reason.  Noone who had oil
would trade with them.

-- 
--Mark
From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:16:55 GMT
	<1992Sep1.164340.17345@julian.uwo.ca> <1992Sep4.132408.213@webo.dg.com>
	<1992Sep7.065009.26725@julian.uwo.ca>
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems

Perhaps this disk-brake bashing depends on the specific car
manufacturer, no?  Perhaps SOME companies skimp when it comes to
rotors...

Data point:

VW GTI, 94K miles, original rotors (no turning), 2nd set of pads,
4-wheel disk brakes.

I used to have a Rabbit with rotors in the rear.  It was no fun
changing those pads and adjusting them with the stupid little
thumbwheel.

--

                                Lee Hetherington
                                ilh@lcs.mit.edu
From: cbc@adpgate.UUCP (Craig Chabala)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Merkur Parts Source(s) Wanted
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: elvis.1559
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

I am attempting to find a (performance) parts source for my '86 Merkur XR4Ti

I was hoping for some help from europe, as this car is a LOT more popular
over there than in the states. The FORD motorsports catalogue is pretty sparce
when it comes to anything having to do with the 2.3 liter engine... Please help.

Any leads would be appreciated.
email would be fine, or just post if you think others may be interested.
Thanks in advance...

Craig Chabala
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tomho@microunity.com (Tom Ho)
Subject: BMW service manual
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:51:27 GMT

Hi netters,

I have a BMW 528 '83.  I like to do some minor maintenance and repair on it (ie replace thermostat, waterpump, ...).  Anybody has any suggestion for a good service manual or recommended books.  Please e-mail if possible.
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     Tom Ho       tomho@microunity.com       (408) 734-8100
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Re: Car insurance.
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.144734.10945@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, 
rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:

> nope, a celica is not a sports car...it is s...l..o..w..and overpriced.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> a friend of mine bought a 91 gts for 20k and my brothers 11.5k escort can
> outrun it everytime...up to about 100mph anyway.

I have a Celica and while I agree with you, my insurance company doesn't see 
it that way. :( 

Andy


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Strike at Saturn?
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:53:05 GMT

In article <16858AF4E.R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
>  A few years back when my sister was in Japan with the Air Force she picked
>up a little extra money teaching English in a Japanese school.  One day when
>the subject of "what our parents do for a living" came up the students found
>out that her father worked for GM, specifically Chevrolet division, They
>got very excited and wanted to know if he could get American cars for some
>of them.
> 
>  Sounds like a few people are interested in our wares.

Of course, since new American cars are so rare in Japan, the image of
"American cars" in their minds might be more like the big ol' Cadillacs
and other such boats from past decades, not the newer cars that look
just like theirs...
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: usenet@menudo.uh.edu (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Unsafe Safety Belts - CBS 'Street Stories' Report
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:32:00 GMT
2222from: st1hg@jetson.uh.edu (Atteberry, Charles R.)

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