From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: Re: Leftists Under Every Shrub (Re: Social Democracy)
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:42:06 PST

In article <1992Nov6.134936.20759@macc.wisc.edu>, on 6 Nov 92 13:49:36 GMT,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>
>
>In article <19921106003718ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
>ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>
>>If you really want a quintessential example of Uncle Tomism,
>>you need only look in this newsgroup at the various
>>apologists for Clinton's past record of homophobic inaction
>>in his stint as governor of Arkansas.
>
>I haven't seen any apologies for Clinton's record as governor
>of Arkansas here.  Have you?  When and by whom?
>
Careful, or you'll use your reputation as the Iron Duke who lets nothing slip through in soc.motss without his careful scrutiny.

I can't specifically recall who posted an apology for Clinton's record
here, but in response to my question as to why Clinton has failed to
issue an executive order banning discrimination against GLBs in Arkansas
executive departments, someone (probably a reader from
alt.politics.clinton, where my article was cross-posted) offered a lame
excuse that the Arkansas legislature consisted of a bunch of red-necks.
The response was posted here in soc.motss, and I offered a rejoinder to
the response.

>I have seen considerable reservation expressed about his
>nonaction on our issues, however.  Maybe you were confused
>by his subsequent positions.  If he fails to deliver, I
>expect you'll see more than a few denunciations here.
>
Of that you can be sure. I would certainly be one of the chief
denouncers if Clinton reneges on his pledge to remove the ban against
GLBs in themilitary.

>>Apparently, it's quite politically correct to condone
>>homophobia so long as it furthers the political agenda of
>>the left.
>
>We're getting used to that sort of "logic" from you, Jack.
>Your reason takes flight as soon as the concept "left"
>enters your head, whether it should be there or not.
>
Nonsense. I've made the charge and I've backed it up. I have
documentation of gay leftist activists condoning homophobia on the part
of politicians whom they'd endorsed dating back to 1985. I'd be quite
happy to replay the posts, although discussion of Dukakis, for example,
would be rather dated. (Unless Clinton happens to offer him a post in
his administartion).

>>Another example with which I have first hand experience is
>>in the case of GLAAD/LA's (Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against
>>Defamation/Los Angeles) criticism of Oliver Stone's movie
>>_JFK_.  At the time we pointed out that all the villains in
>>the story were cast as gays whose lifestyle consisted of an
>>orgiastic party after another when they weren't otherwise
>>conspiring to assassinate the president.
>
>That aspect of the film was denounced here, too.
>
Glad to hear that. It was before my time on soc.motss.

>>Meanwhile many of the character flaws of DA Jim
>>Garrison, portrayed by Stone as a white knight in shining
>>armor, were overlooked -- among which was that in real life
>>he was a notorious homophobe who personally ordered the New
>>Orleans police department to raid gay bars.
>
>I did not see that mentioned here, but I'd seen it
>elsewhere.  There were no apologias here, certainly.
>
>>Here too, the leftist Uncle Toms were perfectly willing to
>>condone homophobia when it suited their agenda.
>
>I wouldn't call JFK conspiracy theories leftist.  It's a
>comment on your prejudgments of ideas that you do.
>
Perhaps not. But the specific complaint against GLAAD's pointing out the
homophobia in JFK because it would diminish the "important" work of Mr.
Stone in bringing the conspiracy to light were brought by those on the
left. The vituperative complaints against GLAAD were remarkable; I shall
never forget them.

        =Jack=
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