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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:00:33 EST
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Here I stand, I can do no other
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>From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)" <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET>
>[quoting JAGubert]
>: Sounds to me like its KKKarlson who has the malaise -- I remember your
>: election 'prediction'.  I hope you're better at economic projections.
>
>Yeah, well, all the leading indicators were wrong: the New Hampshire primary,
>the Bears, the bellwether counties.  BTW, I challenge Frank at Brown or Jaded
>Gubert or anyone else to find a post of mine since September indicating support
>for George Bush ...
>
My apologies, Steve, if I miserepresented you.  I had heard you being
critical of Willie C in a way that made me infer you had voted for the
candidate with the best chance to defeat him.  Still, that was my inter-
pretation, and I am sorry if it was incorrect.
>
I was also tempted to point out that it is odious to brand someone,
even obliquely, as a Klansmen for no other reason than that you don't
agree with them, and don't have enough imagination or patience to
argue with them rationally.  But I resisted it because I was con-
fident of your ability to take care of yourself on that score.

Again, I am sorry, and unless corrected I will presume you voted
for Marrou.  ;-)

Frank
From: harwood@TENET.EDU (Nancy Harwood)
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>
> I need help on a word please, When MORMONS go away for a year to
> help people and spread their message what is called? They have a
> word or phrase which they use which I forgot.

Don't they refer to it as "going on a mission"?  I believe that's the
phrase I've heard.
ndh
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From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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              13 May 1992 20:11:18 CDT from <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Wed, 13 May 1992 20:11:18 CDT Tushar Samant said:
>Can anyone come up with a nice satisfactory example ?
   PURIFIED/PUTRIFIED
Peace,
EPD
From: TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU (Theresa Wild)
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Subject: RI teen talk dictionary, preface
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:17:15 GMT
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To help Carol <get with it> along with our resident teachers,
I will be posting the teen talk dictionary in 3 parts. Check
your local teens for updates and proper usage.  Notice that
some words have different meanings depending where you are.
(RI is not that big, 1 hour from top to bottom, 30-40 min from
side to side...diagonal can be figured from this)

Specific references to Words-L :

What's up, G         (Part I)
Peace out            (Part II)
Skank, skanky        (Part III)


Theresa
twild@uriacc.uri.edu
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Date: 6 Nov 92 22:49:32 GMT
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Posted on 6 Nov 1992 at 03:11:29 by (Ruth M. Hanschka)

>>Hmmm... that leaves us skeptics nicely balanced in the middle as always.
>>
>What happens when you fall off?  The fence in the middle that is?
>The aggressive skeptic is one of the more offenseive breeds - they're worse
>than the Civil Rights Atheists.  Besides, stay in the middle, and you'll get
>pelted by both sides; we have notoriously poor aim.:-)

There's no fence to fall off.  Skeptics don't need to be aggressive - it's
just a matter of sitting quietly and waiting for either extreme to prove
its view.  Of course it helps to bring a book or your knitting - the wait
will probably be a long one.

What's a Civil Rights Atheist ?  Are there Civil Rights Christians ?

Tony
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:12:45 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: God and Dowsing
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:52:41 EST, "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
 wrote:
> Randi rented a farmer's field in Italy, laid out several plastic pipes
> and covered them with a layer of soil.  Then he invited various dowsers
> to map out the piping as they walked around the field and "sensed the water
> flowing through the pipes".  Randi took extensive measures against cheating,
> and caught only one trying.  The others seemed to genuinely believe that
> they had some power, but of course all failed completely to find the
> pipes.

Skeptic that I am, I have to admit that Randi's experiment was flawed.  Most
of these people claim that their 'gift' disappears when tested and it only
works under genuine need.  (This is a great get-out clause of all sorts
of psychics by the way).  The correct thing to do would have been to design
an experiment where both the dowser and the person asking them to dowse
actually believed that there was a water pipe somewhere which had been
lost and had to be found.  This sort of thing happens on building sites
all the time and would have been easy to arrange.

An interesting point of note in Randi's experiments were the amazing
justifications made by the dowsers afterwards and even their belief
that they had partially succeeded.  This explains the phenomenon more
than anything else.

G
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: The Gospel Truth
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Well, Gilbert, apart from your first paragraph, I agree with you totally....
Surprised?

Carolyn
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:22:27 GMT
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In a previous article, GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU () says:

>>In a pig's eye.
>>JAG
>>
>Ruth replies
>A muddy pig, right?:-)  With glasses, in this case, which need washing.:-)
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Sistah, I is not the one slinging all the mud.
>
>JAG
>
We're all down here in the wallow, slinging away.  Want me to throw
some more?  You've got a bare spot by your left shoulderblade.
<splat!>  That's better.:-)
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From: TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815))
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Subject: Establishment (was legislating)
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:49:00 GMT
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>>Ask Ruth what the policy would be in her church, and whether its
>>established.

> Is this another flame-bait question Graham, or are you serious.

Give it a rest, Ruth.  I used the term "established" in a very precise
way.  It refers to a church that is the Official Church of a State.
The Constitution you should look at is your country's.  Somewhere in its
amendments is a statement prohibiting Congress from establishing churches.

"Antidisestablishmentarianism" refers to a doctrine supporting continued
establishment of an Official Church.  Such fights can be rather bloody,
which is why our Framers ruled out establishment almost from day one.

Steve Karlson

Loose lips sink lists.
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Date: 9 Nov 1992 07:38:39 GMT
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In a previous article, gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>:Yeah, same here.  The last thing our oceans need is another helping
>:of radioactivity.  Heck, it's the last thing anyone needs.  Anyone have a
>:suggestion as to where we could put it all, if everything were dismantled
>:and removed from areas near human habitation?
>
>Well, you could put them in the concentration camps that that TV fundy
>sugested (Remind me someone - was it Falwell?) that the US use to round
>up all the people with Aids to keep them away from Decent People. That
>would get rid of two birds with one stone.
>
And here I was asking a legit, straightforward question.  I was looking for
a straight answer, not a reference to another thread.  Do you have a straight
answer for this one?  I don't, which was why I asked in the first place.

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From: gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 02:08:52 GMT
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Nauseated vs Nauseating: both; it seems mutual.

G
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA ((Agnes Kruchio))
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Date: 12 Nov 92 17:21:20 GMT
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              "CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Nov 12, 92 10:21 am

>
> By the way, Agnes, I spend my days and many of my nights in the library, but
> I have an ever-increasing reference collection at home (it's amazing the
> opportunities one gets to purchase discarded library materials when one
> works in a library, isn't it?).
>
> Marty
>

I gathered as much a couple of years ago when I was beaten to
the punch on a couple of good reference sets that were being replaced
in one library that was my second home at the time - by one of the
<librarians> who took them <home> for her - grown - <children>. The
books were on various sciences. They were good, too, and
prohibitively expensive new.
A
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:17:40 CST
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Translation difficulties

I came across this posting on the net:

dhami@cs.ubc.ca (Mandeep S Dhami) writes:
>What I meant was that I have tried to explain Urdu poetry to some of my
>friends and though words are easy to translate, the meaning can not be
>translated without a (much longer) discussion on social/cultural/political
>setting of Indian subcontinent in 1500-1800 era.

I don't know about discussion on social/cultural blah, but it strikes me
that even words are not easy to translate. Some time ago I had amazing
difficulty explaining what the Urdu word "andaaz" meant. It's not
"appearance", it's not "aura", it's probably something like "aspect (of
a person or a thing)" but not actually "spirit". Because of this, a dazzling
word like "andaaz-e-bayaan" had to be translated by the lame "diction".

Then I thought about translating "vusook", which appears in a famous couplet.
Ruthlessness? No. Confidence? No. It's something like "the quality expressed
in doing something calmly, efficiently, and without compunction, again and
again."

So what the hell is a word for "vusook"?

Actually, now that I think of it, a lot of really common Urdu words have an
annoying tendency of occupying a "semantic space" overlapping those of, say,
English words. One doesn't generally think of this, but

"zamaanaa" : world? society? this age?

Burton, when translating the Arabian Nights, reportedly had great difficulty
with "kaleja". Though it meant "liver", by extension it meant something like
what "heart" means in "my heart breaks". But "it broke my heart to see her
suffer" was according to him too rarefied a translation, since "heart" had
lost most of its meaning as something "bodily". Finally he settled on the
his own invention, "vitals". He had to, since "it burned my liver" or "cut
my liver to see it" sounds ridiculous.

Which in turn reminds me of the Hindi word "praan", which is roughly equi-
valent. It's something like "the spark of life" but more bodily. Unfortunately,
it doesn't refer to a vital organ like "liver" and so has a different force.

tushar

Conclusion: if that rec.poems.urdu or whatever they are bellyaching about
gets formed, I will read it.
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:35:35 EST
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fun for all
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>From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
>
>Posted on 7 Nov 1992 at 13:30:39 by Frank Peters
>>thing off to Ouagadougou, UV but it would have to be several thousands
>
>What's UV?  I thought Ouagadougou is the capitol (that doesn't look right)
>of Burkina Faso (or Fasso in the old spelling).

Upper Volta, the even older spelling of Burkina Faso.

Frank
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Subject:      Re: Translation difficulties

>"vusook"?  The definition for this word would describe either a hit man
>or a robot.
>
>Evelyn

That's absolutely true. But "murderousness" or "robotic-ness" are not
really the right words. The term might also apply to "nature red in
tooth and claw" which is somewhat near the content of that couplet.

tushar
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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In-reply-to: tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU's message of Wed, 4 Nov 1992 23:12:36 CST

Tushar reminds us:

   >rashmi, List Evaluator of Candidates' Attractiveness

   This is the same person who makes accusations of being a pooh-bah
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
  (whatever that means) at the drop of a hat. Just thought I'd mention
   it.

I'm not quite sure I understand this...what is "makes accusations of being
<something>"...makes 'pretensions' of being s.t. I can see, but what does
it mean to make accusations of being s.t.?  Or even, accusing someone of
being something (a pooh-bah...not necessarily a bad thing to my way of
thinking)...that would work...

Ponderingly,

//anne, grand pooh-bah a` la flintstones//
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From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Tushar on the Ga
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              "CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Nov 12, 92 12:14 am

>
> Greetings,
>
> And did Tushar mention that the Ga are descended from people who immigrated
> down the Volta River and across the Niger during the 17th c.?  ANd that
> each Ga town had a stool that served as the central object of Ga ritual
> and war magic?  That Ga women are in charge of trading activities, that
> men have no control over their wives' money, that succession to most
> offices held by women and inheritance of women's property are by
> matrilineal descent?
>
> I looked it up.
>
> Marty
>
Amazing. They never told me all of this in my African music workshop. Most
impressive, Marty (are you at home or in a library - or are they one
and the same?)

One of the major pieces we do is "Gaueh", which we understand to be a major
signature-type piece (drums and dancing) in the Ghanaian culture we're now
focusing on. It's rather neat.
A
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Clinton's 'Mandate'
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: There's no fence to fall off.  Skeptics don't need to be aggressive - it's
: just a matter of sitting quietly and waiting for either extreme to prove
: its view.  Of course it helps to bring a book or your knitting - the wait
: will probably be a long one.

If you can't make a resounding positive judgement on loony issues like
dowsing, tarot reading, or God in High Heaven, then you're just as bad
as they are.  It's PC in the extreme to fail to come to a conclusion
about something because it's a view held by an oppressed minority, when
the facts (or rather total lack of them) are obvious.  You can't wait
for one side to 'prove its view' when the view of that side is so defined
as to be unprovable.  The extreme of this is the complete solipsist argument
which no-one can logically disprove.  Still, I bet you hold an opinion
on that one, no?  (Or *do* you think the world revolves around you?)

It's weak minded pseudo-intellectualism to sit on the fence.

G
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From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
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Subject:      Re: Christian bashing

>Freedom of association includes the freedom not to associate.

: But not the freedom to discriminate, and that's what's at issue here.

: The US Navy was ordered this week by a federal court to reinstate a gay ...

Hold on a minute, here.  People discriminate all the time.  What's at
issue in the case of the government refusing to allow some classes of the
people it defends to help defend is that the military brass have not convinced
the courts or the public that blacks, or women, or homosexuals don't make good
soldiers, sailors, aviators.  The discriminations have not been demonstrated to
improve the armed forces' performances.  Discriminations based on problem-
solving skills and strength tests apparently do improve their performance.

If we're discussing a private organization, such as the Scouts, refusing to
allow some classes of people to join, that is different.  Nobody is coerced
into joining the Scouts (or the Freemasons), nobody is coerced into paying to
support the Scouts (or the Freemasons) (this is in the US, it may be different
elsewhere); anyone who disapproves of the actions of the Scouts is free not to
join, and if the Scouts (or the Klan) lose members or social status for
indulging in their prejudices, that's the price they pay for indulging in
their prejudices.

: It's also not completely accurate to say (in a deleted part of Steve's post)
: that gays have "freedom of association." I remember many a police sweep
: "on principle" ... "sweeps" of hispanics and blacks ... DC "hacker"
: sweep ... ol' slippery slope...

Not completely accurate in practice, but accurate in principle.  I'm certainly
not defending these police actions.  For that matter I have no love for the
Scouts, but if their right of free association is under attack because some
people don't like it today, doesn't the ol' slippery slope end at the door
of your free association tomorrow?

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:56:14 CST
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Subject:      Re: To Neal and To Brownies

Natalie:

>> You erred, Natalie. You of all people should know that everything happening
>> in one's life should be immediately written up and put in the ftp space.
>
>It's just that I haven't had time to grep the archives yet.

I can assure you there isn't anything like that in the archives. You will have
to deduce it by inaccurate methods. Don't try to get out of acknowledging your
mistakes by making airy remarks.  It fools no one, we have got you figured out
totally.

tushar
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Subject: Re: Standard Time
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:42:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.011020.9651@netcom.com> karsten@netcom.com (karsten) writes:
>ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU writes:
>> Uhhh...well....you see, the reason that I asked about the 20 year age
>> difference is because I'm...
>
>Was the "Is Karen discrete or discreet" issue ever settled?
>
>--karsten
>
>(Where's RICHH with a Saltgirl story when you need him?)

Excuse me?
Look for one shortly after Thanksgiving.

RICHH
From: Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
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Subject: Re: sticking up for my friends
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:47:28 GMT
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>"White trash" refers
>to white people with little education, low incomes, poor family values, a
>tendency to illegitimacy, spouse abuse, buying too many cigarettes and lottery
>tickets and too much booze.  (People of color with those characteristics, on
>the other hand, enjoy "protected category" status and preferential admission to
>colleges.)

     While excoriating some anonymous lamer on another list for
     "demeaning and marginalizing people," Steve Karlson fetches up a
     racist hairball like this.

     It's not pretty, but you've got to admit it's good for a laugh.

     Carol ("Excessivly emotional and mean" was good too.)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:20:26 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Groundrules

--------------------------Original Message-------------------------
Groundrules?  What groundrules?  There are groundrules!

JAG
-----------------------End of Original Message---------------------

One class of chalkos I have seen involves writing the exact opposite
of what is meant.

tushar
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the truth about judith (try no. 2
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>judith, judith, how many times do I have to tell, I can't perform with that
>kind of pressure. Sheesh, the Ivy Room at lunch was bad enough, and with
>that friend of yours from Comp Sci, I mean, what do you want, I'M ONLY HUMAN
>DAMMIT
>
>
>       blomberg cepeda, the mere shell of a man

Uh...Izzat an invitation?  (and will Keith be there, too?)

judith
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Subject:      Spelling lesson

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
: the proper spelling for a sandwich in a roll from Philly is a Hoagie.
Sorry.  Does it taste better with malaise on it?
Steve Karlson
+++++++++++++
Sounds to me like its KKKarlson who has the malaise -- I remember your
election 'prediction'.  I hope you're better at economic projections.

JAG
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