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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:30:19 GMT

lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:


>ObDigression: Is a date given for Constantine's birthday? Or do we go with
>the release date of the latest issue? A funny thing happens if he turns out
>to be an aquarius. For reasons I can't understand, angels were assigned to
>different signs of the zodiac. Guess which angel gets to look after people
>born under aquarius?

Try 10 May 1993, page 2, panel 5...unless he keeps old copies of the Mirror
lying around, and knowing Kit, this isn't very likely. 

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:37:56 GMT

My big problem with the issue is where Destruction's house is located.  Reread
issue 1 of Brief Lives. An aerial (sp?) view shows both "islands" (or
penninsulae or what have you).  Orpheus is watching the sun rise out an eastern
window, and is looking directly at the other island.
     Now, when we first see Destruction, he is painting the sunset.  Clearly,
as the sun sets in the west, we should see Orpheus' villa obstructing the view.
 No such villa is present.  It should be there. Sketch it out if need be. Also 
the aerial view of Destruction's house looks nothing like the scenes of it we 
see later. I think we were deliberately misled.  If there's one thing I can't 
stand, it's a mystery that deliberately hides the clues.
     Sloppy writing, sloppy art, or easily written off as one of the "change"
elements?  You decide.  Myself, I'm disappointed in Mr. Gaiman. Maybe I've come
to expect too much.

kristoff
From: ryk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RAJAN YASH KHANNA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Grimjack
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:43:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    Okay, here's the deal. I am a tremendous fan of Grimjack. Ever since
    reading my first one with the Jim Twilley incarnation, I have endeavoured
    to pick up every single issue I can get my hands on. I am also a fan of
    the original John Gaunt, Truman version of the character. I was crushed
    when First went under and Grimjack went down with it.  Ever since then I
    have been anxiously awaiting its return to print. In the meantime i have
    been trying to supplement my need with Jack T. Chance, the Green Lantern
    introduced by John Ostrander and Flint Henry in the Green Lantern Corps
    Quaterly, The Spider by Tim Truman (kinda looks like GJ), and the recent
    stint by Ostrander and Truman on Hawkworld: Flight's End.
        Does anyone else out there share my fanaticism about Grimjack or even
        like him ? And does anyone know if anything might reappear ? Recently
        Dark Horse has published Nexus, such as the new Nexus:Alien Justice.
        Perhaps something similar could occur with Grimjack. In any case I
        hope that John Ostrander would continue to write the book. I am
        anxiously awaiting all replies.


"No Tourbot's Allowed" - Munden's Bar        RYK,  your friendly Cynosure
                                                   Tour Guide
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:12:58 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:

>How about one word, or rather sign ? $$

>Sim, Miller, Gaiman and Moore seem to have as much creative freedom as they w-
>ant these days. While they might have other reasons for doing Spawn, the money
>involved as well as the chance to get exposure to an audience which doesnt no-
>rmally read them should be an excellent incentive (which, I hasten to add is 
>something that I agree with fully). And in the case of Moore, it might give
>him a chance to get back into the limelight after having some trouble with
>his self-published stuff. 

They are not doing it to gain creative freedom. They are doing
it to support creative freedom. Although I agree that money
might be a factor for some of the four Sim is donating all his
proceeds to the Comic Legal Defence Fund. BTW What is this?

>Incidentally, how much creative freedom is Todd giving them ? I'm sure he mig-
>ght object if they did something that interfered seriously with his plotlines
>or his ideas on the character. (I havent read any issues of Spawn yet, so I
>cant seriously comment on this). 

I think he is giving them total freedom. I can't see them
abusing it, especially after seeing the future plotlines.

Jed
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:34:38 GMT

apn207s@momth1.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster) writes:

>In article <1993Jan25.130813.11196@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>|> In article <PETRI.WESSMAN.93Jan20134939@lk-hp-20.hut.fi> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi writes:
>|> >On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:31:32 GMT, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) said:
>|> >
>|> >Dani> (If you were the greatest of the Fallen, and you could go anywhere
>|> >Dani> in the multiverse, barring the Silver City, and Earth weren't the
>|> >Dani> center of creation, would you retire to Australia?)
>|> >
>|> >I might. They have fantastic beer :-)
>|> >
>|> You jest, surely? The stuff that makes it to Britain is foul.

>It's got to be better than Guinness...Yeeeccchhhh

Personally, when talking of alchoholic beverages, I love Woodpecker cider.
Can't stand beer, so cider is great, though I do like a half pint of
bitters now and again.

As for non alcholic, I also like ginger beer.


LJC

-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA #72
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:32:08 GMT
Organization: Sun
Distribution: usa
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In article <vanyel.728171851@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:
>geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink) writes:
>>But, even so, how did Destiny get ahold of pre-crisis characters (sort
>>of) to dream about?
>
>Maybe he didn't.  I was of the impression that this *was* the roster of the
>post-Crisis JLofA, with maybe Carter Hall (the Golden Age Hawkman) instead of
>the old Silver Age version. 

No, these were not the pre-Crisis heroes. In most respects, they were post-Cr-
isis. The only case which is confusing is that of Hawkman : I had pegged him
to be the Golden Age Hawkman, but he says in the middle of the story "seven
hells". Only the Ostrander Hawkman would ever say that. 

What makes this confusing is that Ostrander's Hawkman didnt come to Earth ti-
ll well after Reddy had turned Elemental.

Abhijit 
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: LJC, beer, and trenchcoats
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:52:59 GMT

ROWJOSP@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
> 
>[lots of beer stuff deleted]
>>
>>Personally, when talking of alchoholic beverages, I love Woodpecker cider.
>>Can't stand beer, so cider is great, though I do like a half pint of
>>bitters now and again.
>>
>A woman after my own taste! Have you ever seen hard cider here
>in the States? I haven't been able to find it.

(grumble) Neither can *I*, danmit, adn it's not for lack of trying let me
tell you....

>>As for non alcholic, I also like ginger beer.
>>
>You and the Doctor.

Doctor who?

I can't believe I just typed that....

>>LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
> 
>P.S. I'm quite new on the net, and I posted a response to the original
>"net.trenchcoat.brigade" posting, but I think it got lost. It was something
>like:
> 
>"It has not been my custom to associate so freely with my fellows on the
>ether. While such a gathering may serve our purposes, I fear that for the
>time being, I must remain ... a stranger"
> 
>Actually, I can on occasion be spotted on the rainy streets of New Haven
>wearing a black trenchcoat and a black fedora, and *sometimes* even a
>turtleneck ... :-)

I do believe, gentlemen of the net (and Ladies), we have found our Stranger.

So, is the Master of Science available for the position of Doctor?

Of course, how Enrique could manage Rose, no tengo puta idea.....


Slainte,



LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Subject: Re: Urges of a 501 murderous rage...
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:59:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.002521.13830@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>I was at the NYC convention this past Saturday (what a miserably produced
>show, BTW), and LO AND BEHOLD, look who came to grace us with his presence...
>
>501 himself!
>
>I was standing six feet away from him.  I could have rid the comics world of
>the high lord of heresy with a simple lunge and a two clenched fists around
>his throat.  But, for some unknown reason, I resisted...
>
>Maybe the size of his head, his short stature, and his annoying personality
>generated enough humor to justify letting him live.

Wow.  You really hate this guy that much due to a lack of talent?  I
better hide the portfolio :).  Seriously, what'd he do, slap your mother?

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Just another useless lump of flesh, same as everyone else in the world.  
    The sooner everyone dies and leaves Cerebus alone, 
        the happier Cerebus will be"
   --- Cerebus
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................




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From: apn207s@fermat.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Monash University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:01:38 GMT

In article <1jvgmb$sgi@agate.berkeley.edu>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan24.052940.29838@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|> )And, what do we make of calling attention to the fact that Morpheus is
|> )not Apollo?  'Course I'm probably reading too much into that, could be
|> )a throwaway I suppose.
|> )Glenn
|> 
|> 	Well, recall that in the original myths Orpheus was the child
|> of Apollo and Calliope. It's therefore natural, when Dream refers to
|> Orpheus as his son, for Kris to think that that's who he is.

There was also some confusion in 'August' in Distant Mirrors.
The guy who was Dream's raven at the time was, according to myth, Apollo's
raven. Augustus said something to this effect in the dream-sequence, and 
thus also seemed to think Dream was Apollo.

-- 

In order to remember your dreams, you must think of them as if they were 
little kittens. When you wake up in the morning, before you get out of bed,
Sit up and say, 
"Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty."
                                                -King Missile
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: SANDMAN: Mervyn (Was Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7)
Organization: The Little Squids of the Pumpkins
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:53:01 GMT

In article <16B6314F7B.ROWJOSP@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> ROWJOSP@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>he used it way back in #5, when Dream is travelling through the dreamscape:
> 
>"I travel briefly by bus: in the back the dreamer *copulates desperately*
>[emphasis added], not noticing his autonomous passenger. I sit at the
>front and talk to the driver."

>who, incidentally, we also met in #42 ... probably meaningless, but you
>never know with Gaiman.

(David Goldfarb originally pointed this out, I think)

In #46

When asked what he did while Dream was imprisoned, Mervyn replies:

"I, uh. Bit a this. Bit a that. I drove a bus.."

For the Pumpkinhead completist, someone who looks like Mervyn, but who is 
carrying a head on a stake, appears in #22 as Dream addresses his support
staff. 

I like Mervyn, but I don't think his little batwinged assistants would be 
of much use.

(It's the Great Pumpkinhead, Charlie Brown!)----------------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Good grief! He's dead! He must have cracked his 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shell when you pulled that football away. Maybe
  Idea shamelessly stolen,  |  we can get your brother to bury him in the 
   then slightly modified.  |  pumpkin patch with the others."    _Peanuts_ 
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From: reid@dsm.fordham.edu (Darin Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Thor #460
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:45:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math

I just flipped through Thor #460; Anybody else notice how much the
new artist draws like Ditko?  All of his figures look Ditkoesque,
especially the big Thor panel on the second page.  Also for good
measure he swiped Kirby for the two-page spread!

Is this what Marvel is coming to?  
--
Darin Reid

	       Internet:                       Bitnet:
       reid@dsm.fordham.edu            areid@fordmulc[.bitnet]
       areid@mary.fordham.edu
       ddreid@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:43:04 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Originator: goldfarb@locusts.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan22.033054.15048@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
)...fails the willing
)suspension of disbelief test as much as a story where everyone sings songs
)about the Vietnam War without there actually having been a Vietnam War.

	You must have disliked _Zot!_, then. :-)

)Ken Arromdee 

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |      "Hey, mister! Your ninja's dragging!" 
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     | 
goldfarb@soda.berkeley.edu |
From: djyoung@carina.unm.edu (Danny Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Some Image Reviews
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:16:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

>
>     Whoin god's name is JIM McFarlane??????
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry I have a friend who is named Jim McFarlane, get em mixed up with 
Todd every once in a while.

No need to bark at me jerk.



-- 
the Mighty Joe Young

djyoung@carina.unm.edu

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From: pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan)
Subject: (L's: was Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:37:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.200055.20986@imagen.com> xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.133711.22757@isunix.cdx.mot.com> Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) writes:
>>After following the recent 'flip side to the Endless", I thought it would be
>>interesting to come up with the alternate names for the Endless, given what
>>we've seen so far...
>>
>>Destruction - Creation or Change (from all over Brief Lives)
>>Death       - Conception         (present at every birth?)
>>Destiny     - Choice             (not pre-ordained? I get to choose?)
>>Dream       - Consciousness (sic?) (all right..I'm stretching)
>>Delirium    - Control            (I think I just snapped)
>>
>>Any help on the remaining Endless?
>
>Desire       - Chagrin (reaching about as far as you)
>Despair      - Chance  (ditto)
>

Actually, I had come up with the "opposites" for a role-playing
mythology using "L"s:

Death		Life
Destiny		Liberty
Dream		Labor
Desire		Law
Delerium	Lucidity
Despair		Laughter

This was before Destruction was revealed as the missing brother.
They were two halves of a pantheon, the *D*ark endless,
and the *L*ight endless.

I ended up ditching despair and delierioum as being unworkable
as a useable role-playing religion (though the Unforgiven
still existed as a fringe cult :-))

paul duggan
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:09:15 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla-50

In article <1k4seoINNkan@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>fritz@titanic.East.Sun.COM (SE Sun Vienna Va.) says:
>
>>After reading that Moore, Gaiman, Wagner, and Miller
>>were going to guest write issues 8 - 11 of Spawn,
>
>>reading 6 and 7, I had to wonder how they attracted
>>these high caliber writers to this book.
>
>3 words:  total creative control.  

How about one word, or rather sign ? $$

Sim, Miller, Gaiman and Moore seem to have as much creative freedom as they w-
ant these days. While they might have other reasons for doing Spawn, the money
involved as well as the chance to get exposure to an audience which doesnt no-
rmally read them should be an excellent incentive (which, I hasten to add is 
something that I agree with fully). And in the case of Moore, it might give
him a chance to get back into the limelight after having some trouble with
his self-published stuff. 

Incidentally, how much creative freedom is Todd giving them ? I'm sure he mig-
ght object if they did something that interfered seriously with his plotlines
or his ideas on the character. (I havent read any issues of Spawn yet, so I
cant seriously comment on this). 

>Alan Moore has had trouble with DC on virtually all of
> his projects.  e.g. Watchmen vs Charlton characters.

Well, I know Alan had trouble with DC over some aspects of Watchmen licensing
(not as far as I know over the suggested substitution of Watchmen for Charl-
ton characters). I dont know that he had any trouble over the other stuff he
did for DC : Green Lantern, Swamp Thing, Killing Joke. 

>Neil Gaiman is probably fed up with DC mis-coloring
> Sandman + Eclipse not paying him.

Give me a break !! He's only doing one issue, not marrying McFarlane. I havent
seen anything to indicate that Gaiman is unhappy with DC. He's been doing wor-
k for lots of different publishers for quite a while anyway. 

Abhijit
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Tomorrow People (was Re: The end of Earth and the metagene (was Re: BOOOOOM!))
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Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:55:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.195728.10237@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
>Drat. I, too, was hoping that we might see a comeback of this show. Haven't 
>seen it is (pause) my god eight or nine years now, but I have fond memories.
>
A new version of the Tomorrow People, without all the 70's clothes but complete
with the 'jaunting' we all know and love, is currently showing on British TV
(ITV I think but don't quote me). I haven't seen more than one episode, but
it looked not completely dissimilar to the old series. It also stars one
of the brats out of Neighbours. Todd? Josh? Matt? Burgered if I know....

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Sandman: A Game of You Hardback
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:36:32 GMT

In the latest "Previews", they solicit for the hardback "A Game of You".
$29.95 (eesh!)

-- 
jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
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From: ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth)
Subject: Re: Grimjack
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:27:23 GMT

Although I am not a fan of Grimjack, I have enjoyed a number of other works
by John Ostrander, and I can tell you this much: Ostrander has dropped some
heavy hints, in lettercolumns and over on the CompuServe Comics Forum, that
he and Truman are very interested in working on GJ again, and that there is
some sort of work going on with the goal of getting the rights to the series
away from First. The rumor is that GJ, if and when it returns, might well be
published by DC, as a creator-owned project of course.

cheers,
	ast
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:41:34 EST
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sword And Sorcery List and Related Stuff

 You mention ONE Elric series. What about all the others?

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From: shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson)
Subject: Re: Some Image Reviews
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:05:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


      -  I think the problem with the writing of the Image titles, with exception
      -  of Savage Dragon and Spawn, is that the writers are trying to present
      -  the story two quickly.  The plots do tend to be confused, but I like 
      -  to let the books have a chance and try to read the whole series when 
      -  it becomes available.  This means the whole series at once. 
      -
      -  The main reason for the hurried plots are due to the fact that 
      -  these books are limited series and that these writers are forced
      -  to cram an origin, story, and ending in three or four issues.

      -  Notice that Marvel or DC usually have Limited Series with spin 
      -	 offs of well developed characters.
 
      -	the Mighty Joe Young

      -	djyoung@carina.unm.edu

I agree that the Image boys are trying to cram too much story into
each issue and just end up confusing nearly everyone.  But look at
DC's The Ray mini, alot more easy to follow and alot more entertaining.
Here we are introduced to a new character and a "new" golden age Ray.
The way this golden age Ray was introed was infinitly better then
ol' 501's version of Supreme. Of course this is all IMHO.

-shawn

-- 
Shawn Johnson, Last of the Nexus 7     	      shjohnso@plains.nodak.edu

Who'd a thought a nuclear power plant would be so complicated?
					Homer Simpson