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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas Q & A :  Part II
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:27:03 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

More answers to my own questions...

Q: What is going to happen with the offensive holdouts?
A: I believe that Stepnoski will sign before the preseason game after
this one, during that hazy "deadline" period that Johnson has imposed
for holdouts to retain their starting spots.  Cornish has shown in two
preseason games that he is not a liability to the team and can play
center adequately.  Irvin and Novacek, on the other hand, are much
less likely to sign.  I believe that Novacek will be in before Irvin;
I see Irvin as much less likely to bend to the coaches threats.  Even
though Novacek has a stronger bargaining position, everything I have
seen indicates that the he and the Cowboys are closer to a deal than
Irvin.  I am not sure Irvin is asking for realistic money at all.

Q: How about the defensive holdouts?
Well, with the signing of Washington at safety, there are only two
defensive holdouts left.  Washington's unhappy camper attitude is not
going to help him get his starting spot back.  I am still not
convinced that Robert Williams is the answer at strong safety, and I
have a strong hunch that Washington will be back there before the
first ball is kicked in anger.  For now, Washington vs. Horton sounds
like Horton has found his way out of town.  Norton is losing his job
in a hurry.  Although Myles and Edwards have been having a slow camp,
both are blessed with an incredible amount of talent and speed, and
they will become proficient soon enough.  If nothing else they will
get good enough to warrant further study.  Norton has had good games
in the past, but his attitude is one sure way to send him along with
the likes of Highsmith and Solomon.  I think Smith's return basically
puts Norton in a no win situation unless someone gets hurt.  Finally,
Tolbert is in the same position that Novacek is in on O.  He is the
only proven end with talent AND potential and can get his asking
price.  If JJ starts the season without Tolbert, it will look bad vs.
the Skins and beyond until he is up to speed.  It is not that he is
that good, it is just that there is no one else ready to play yet.

Q: What about Ace Wright?
A:  What about him?  He continues to take "baby steps" on his recovery
from college ball.  This is his third season, and while he continues
to improve, he is on the bubble to be cut.  I think he will make the
team, and he will contribute more and more on STeams, but as for being
a receiver, he still has a long way to go.  His punt returning skills
look a lot better than I would have expected, and I expect him to
return KO by the time the regular season starts.  The bomb he caught
vs. Miami helped his cause tremendously.

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From: curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta)
Subject: Re: 49er tidbits
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:21:13 GMT

>Are they any closer to signing Rice? Does it look like he's going to hold 
>out for the season? Are positions becoming set in stone or are they still 
>talking?
>
>rlwilliams@gallua

  I was watching ESPN's sports center this morning before work, they did
  a clip on Rice.  He has moved from his home in Mississippi to the Bay
  Area to continue his workouts.  The guy interviewing him was saying that
  Rice is holding firm on his $16 Million/ 4 Years demands.  The guy
  then asked Rice, "Are you worth $16 Million over 4 years."  Too which Rice
  responded, "I'm worth $40 Million, not being conceeded or anything, but
  when I come into a game, regardless of who is QB'ing, I'm capable of 
  taking the game over."

  Are they any closer to signing him?  I don't know, but I'm one happy Rams
  fan!

  Curt
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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: "classic" Patriots
Distribution: world
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Date: 17 Aug 92 20:49:01 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

I'm trying to remember the makeup of the '76-'78 Patriots, who were a damned
good team, but could never get it all together, and were screwed by Ben Dreith
the one time they did...

QBs: Steve Grogan (14), ????
RB: Andrew Johnson (32), Sam Cunningham (33), Don Calhoun (44)
K: John Smith (1)
P:
WR: Stanley Morgan (86), Darryl Stingley (??), ???
TE: Russ Francis (81), Don Hasselbeck (80)
C: "Dr." Bill Lenkitas(sp?) (67)
OL: Leon Grey (74?), John Hannah (73), ???, ???

DL: Ray Hamilton (72?), Julius Adams (85?), ???, ???
LB: Steve Nelson (56), ???, ???, ???
DB: Raymond Clayborn (26), Mike Haynes (40), Tim Fox (48), ???, ???

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From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: trivia question
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:17:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

TRIVIA QUESTION


Who played in both Super Bowls XIV and XXVI ?






HINT: He also played in Super Bowl XXI




HINT2: He received snaps in all three games.






Answer: Jeff Rutledge
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From: dargon@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David L. Ramirez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Irvin/Dolphins-cowboys
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:03:59 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <0NmDPB2w164w@jwt.UUCP>, bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP (Jason Giddens) writes:
|> Hey.. do any of you know why Michael Irvin didn't dress out for the 
|> Dolphins/Cowboys game?  i was there and he didnt play a single down.. nor 
|> did he enter the field.. just wondering..
|>  
|>  
|>  bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.uucp
that's because he hasn't signed yet.
THe Cowboys offered him $800,000 plus incentives upto another $400,000 
but he's looking for more than $1 million plus incentives
dargon.
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Raider News???
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:44:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:

>In article <162tq5INNe16@agate.berkeley.edu> max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang) writes:
>>Hi, I'm looking for any news on the Raiders, esp. any holdouts, how
>>newcomers are doing, etc..  I am dying out here with only the
>>pathetic excuse for a newspaper S.F. Chronicle for news, so ANY help
>>would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.


Marcus and McDaniel signed yesterday and will report.

Winston Moss, Scott Davis and Townsend are still holding out...

Could explain the sorry ass D against the 9ers...

Dont feel bad... In San Diego ALL they will tell you about is the 
news on the perennial local losers. With Friesz, the annual bandwagon
has already been abandoned. Chargers still provide desparately needed 
humor though. It also humbles the self proclaimed "Americas Finest City".



Plata y Negro
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From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chargers 20, Patriots 10
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:08:47 GMT
	<oeXeyxG00WDKQ2kMhP@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

for those interested [in SD news, that is] I found out that Bob G
started and was 7 of 11 for 123 yds. Both Butts' and Bienemy's TD's were
1-yarders. Carlos Huerta kicked two FG's of 33 and 22 respectively.

Go go gadget Chargers! :D
--Vernon.
From: larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Giants 13  Bengals 7
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:29:08 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

In article <1992Aug13.140408.9228@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> (ric) writes:

>>In article <1037@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> larry@aecom.yu.edu (Larry) writes:
>>
>>Forget the score. It doesn't mean a thing. Despite what the 58,000+
>>"non-season-ticket-holders-let's-bring-the-kids-and-where's-the-popcorn...

>Whoa there Larry those people in the stands are seasoon tickets holders. Us
>mortals are'nt allowed to buy preason tickets anymore remember 8{D.

No. The season ticket holders _paid_ for the seats, but didn't show. Most must
have sold or given the tickets away. In my section, I didn't recognize one
familiar face.

>Anyway, the reaction throughout the game was about "right" for the season
>tickets holders anyway(IMO).

I disagree, and I think this is what bothered me the most, Ric. I think the
reactions were far from the "experienced football viewer." The people there
were expecting a polished season game and couldn't understand why the Giants
were rotating players. The guy in front of me was screaming for Hampton to play
and couldn't understand why Charles Young was in.

I guess the fans there wanted quality action for their money. Their reactions
indicated they felt slighted. But hey, it's preseason.
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: How's Herschel Walker Doing?
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.203311.25745@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>
>
>   Herschel Walker was clocked at 4.29 in the 40 yd sprint. He also is looking
>  very sharp in his blocking techniques. He is good enough right now where he
>  can take the starter position away from Byars. I'd say the Eagles have landed
>  a rather large (and fast!) catch.
>
>
>  delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu

	Yea, Like I havent heard this before. The first time the Eagles
	give the ball to Walker, on a 4th and goal, or 4th and one,
	and he tentatively hits the line, and bounces back for a 5 yard
	loss, we will here them all sigh, like we Vikings fans did.
	Granted, it didnt cost the Eagles 3 yrs of draft picks, but
	I believe Walker is back when I see it.

							Mark
							GO VIKINGS!


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From: bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Highest paid player
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:39:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


After all this talk about Rypien now being the second highest paid
player,

  Who is the highest paid player?



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From: tjurlina@itmtbj (Tom Jurlina)
Subject: NEED: TIX Nov. 15 Bears v. Bucs
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:05:16 GMT

Looking for 4-8 tickets for the November 15th Bears v. Bucaneers game in Tampa. 

Please email any info to:

				jurlina@mot.com

Thanks in advance,
Tom Jurlina
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: holdouts
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:39:57 GMT

Andy Knipp Metro SE (andy@misha.central.sun.com) wrote:
: In article 1894@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
: >>Draft choices are a different story.  If Desmond Howard were to sit out,  
: >>he would
: >>go back into the draft next year.  Sitting out again would make him a free 
: >>agent.  No team wants to lose the 6th player in the draft.
: >
: >But the Redskins could trade him any time up until draft day, couldn't they?
: >Haven't there been cases where teams couldn't sign a draft pick for an
: >entire year, then traded the player so the pick wouldn't go totally to waste?
: 
: Yes,  St. Louis (now Pheonix) did that with Kelly Stoupher (sp) & traded him
: to Seattle before the draft.  However,  the receiving team MUST sign the
: player before the draft or the player reenters the draft.   Tampa Bay fans
: remember some bball player named Bo Jackson who the Bucs spent the first
: choice in the draft on & could not sign.  Al Davis got him for a 6th (?)
: round pick one year later.
: 
: 
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: 

Doesn't the NHL have a system where if their draft player doesn't sign ,
the team can send him a letter each year (contract) and if the player
doesn't sign with that team, then the player cannot sign with any other team??

What would people think if the NFL implemented this system??

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From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re : Detmer and Heisman winners
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:47:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chocaholics Anonymous


> I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
> Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
> 
>      Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>      Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>      Marcus Allen        Raiders
>      Ron Brown           Raiders	<== Don't you mean TIM Brown?
>      Ty Detmer           ???????? 	<== Packers

Also:
	Barry Sanders		Lions
	Andre Ware		Lions (for now :-)
	Vinny Testaverde	Bucs (didn't he win the Heisman?)

- Vince

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:38:22 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

QB Mark Rypien and the Washington Redskins agreed to a three-year,
$9 million deal with up to $350,000 per season incentives.  The negotiation
that began 2 1/2 years ago and seemed hopeless deadlocked several times 
finally ended yesterday.

Rypien secretly returned to Northern Virginia last Monday and joined the
Redskins last night when they boarded on a flight at Dulles Airport for
London.  The Redskins plays San Francisco at London on Sunday, August 6
(this game will be televised nationally).

Rypien is now NFL's second highest paid player, and he received the largest
deal the Redskins has ever given a player.  Rypien's deal surpassed Wilber
Marshall's five-year, $6 million contract that Marshall got in 1988.  Rypien's
1991 base salary was $1.25 million.

The Redskins now have three holdouts: OT Jim Lachey, CB Darrell Green, and
WR Desmond Howard (top draft choice).


Source: The Washington Post, August 12, 1992

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From: roush@stortek.com (Jeff Roush)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Elway's backup?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:42:10 GMT
Organization: Storage Technology Corp.

In article <jjonsson.105@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.141841.828@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>
>>In article <15280123@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      Just read in the paper that the Broncos cut Steve Peuller.
>>>      I realize he wasn't much, but what does that leave Denver
>>>      with? Maddox and Moore(or Lee, whatever his name is)?
>>>      With Elway getting on in years and more susceptible to
>>>      injury, it seems a bit risky going without a veteran
>>>      backup.
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>>Yes, Maddox & Moore.  Trust me, if you'd seen Pelleur and Moore play, and you
>>didn't know who was the vet, you'd have said Moore in a second.  He is very
>>calm in the pocket, stands in and passes very well.  I think he will do a
>>fine job as backup if Elway goes down.  From what I saw of Maddox, he looks
>>like he could be the future for Denver when Elway retires.
>
>Don't hate me because I'm stupid, but what happened to Gary Kubiak?

He retired.  He sure will be missed.  The Kube pulled out quite a few
games when Elway went down (almost did it to get into the Super Bowl
last year too!).

See ya,
Jeff

my opinions are my own...
Jeff_Roush@stortek.com
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Week 3 Preseason Picks - DUE TODAY!! (REPOST)
Keywords: pool standings
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:12:09 GMT


Preseason Week 3
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Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 4pm PST (11pm GMT) on Friday, Aug 14.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE!

 WT  Away                       Home
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[  ] [ ] San Diego		[ ] New England
[  ] [ ] Denver			[ ] Miami at Berlin, Germany
[  ] [ ] Atlanta		[ ] Tampa Bay
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Philadelphia
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Phoenix
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] NY Giants
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] Minnesota
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] Indianapolis
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] LA Rams
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] Washington at London, England
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Green Bay at Madison, WI
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Buffalo
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] New Orleans

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From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: POOL - Preseason Standings
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:30:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug18.221238.1659@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>Pos  Ini +Pts -Pts Pct      W   L Pct    WK 85 Fav Team   Real Name
>==============================================================================
>  2. drc   95   33 0.7422  13   5 0.7222  2  0 Oilers     Dustin Christmann

Woof woof woof.

GO OILERS
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From: scottm@microsoft.com (Scott Miller)
Subject: Ronnie Lott
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:11:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: finger cut off

I was talking to a friend about his screwed up
finger and I mentioned that I thought I had read or 
heard that Ronnie Lott, becoming frustrated with some
kind of slow healing finger tip injury, had the
tip of that finger removed.
Now I'm wondering if I really did hear that or
if it was some beer induced hallucination.
Lott fans?

Thanks.
scottm.
From: blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum)
Subject: Dallas Cowboys and Terrell Buckley
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:59:14 GMT

I've got a pretty interesting idea that I want to bounce off 
you guys.  What do you think about the 'Boys trading for Buckley 
since he's holding out?  Wouldn't that be awesome?  Kevin Smith and
Terrell Buckley in our Defensive Backfield wow what a great 
combo!!

NOW BACK TO REALITY:

-The Cowboys have nothing to give to the Packers that the
 Cowboys want to or can afford to give up. I also don't think
 the Packers want anything from the Cowboys.

-The Cowboys cant afford Buckley's contract demands.

-Buckley probably isn't the type of player JJ likes anyway.


Well, I was just fantasizing since nothing really exciting is
happening today.  Just some food for thought.........

Go Cowboys!!!
Darren
From: tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: L.A. Rams outlook
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:32:27 GMT
Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>What is the situation in the Rams backfield?  More specifically, how is Robert
>Delpino doing and is he capable of following up on last year's performance. 
>Was last year a fluke?  Did the RAms bring someone in to replace him?

From what I have heard, Ground Chuck is going to rotate backs.

Todd
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Subject: Re: Eddie Brown (was Re: 49er/Raiders)
From: <WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 11 Aug 1992 07:52:00 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <l8d4jhINNhi2@cronkite>, nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell
FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI) says:
>
>In article 6012@iscsvax.uni.edu, baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu () writes:
>
>>BTW, I remember reading something that Eddie Brown of the Bengals was lost
>for
>>the season due to an injury.  Is this true?
>>
 
>>Bill
>
>
>He has a neck injury and I don't know if he is out for the year or not.
>He didn't play last night against the Giants though.
 
           He is out for the year, the injury could even be career threatening.