HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Bad Accident
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:39:43 GMT

jesnow@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan E Snow) writes:
>ever seen, and still got flattened.  Third, the cops seemed unaware
>that he had any rights at all that they might be interested in 

Please take a copy of your post to the police dept. & send copies to
the police or city or count commissioner who has responsibility for
the police dept.  Also take/send a copy to the local prosecutor's
office.  The cops won't learn anything until their superiors mandate
it, & I'm sure neither group reads the net.

If you don't take action, the cop's attitude will never change.
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From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Scott AT-4's (was: Putting your bike on a diet
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:05:44 GMT

>From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
>>(3) Integrated handlebar: (eg Scott AT4) Replaced handle bar/bar end combo,
>>                          although installing brake levers & shifters can
>>                          be difficult because of the sharp turns in the bar.
>This is an understatment! I almost thought I was going to have to ship
>the AT-4's back becaues the bends were so sharp.

>Also plan on removing most of the paint on the bends.

there must be an easier way, since i had mine installed by the bike shop
and there wasn't any sign of even a the slightest paint loss! still not
sure how they did it tho. (if anyone knows the secret, i'd be interested
in hearing!  email pls, as i'll be away next week and will miss lots of
good rec.bicycles stuff! :-(

Janice

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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Paramount Computer
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:36:58 GMT

I've got an older Paramount (Series 30 or something), and the new wireless
heart monitor cyclocomputer.  Neither shows the 50mph max speed error
that you describe.  The heart monitor HAS shown my heart rate to be
exactly double it's true rate on rare occasions (unless I was going
into fibrillation), and sometimes gets confused by nearby heart monitors.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta)
Subject: The Infamous FAQ
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:34:38 GMT
Summary: Where is it?


Would someone be kind enough to tell me how to access the FAQ.
I'm kinda new here and would hate to get flamed for asking a dumb
question.

BTW, a reorg of this newsgroup seems to make sense.  How can I vote?

Thanks!

Joe LaPenta

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: numb toes
Organization: U of Michigan, ITD Research Systems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.134214.29774@cis.ohio-state.edu>  
skon@cis.ohio-state.edu (james paul skon) writes:

..

> 
> I recently purchased a pair of Performance Century Shoes for use with
> my new LOOK pedals.  After a couple of miles the toes in my left foot
> go numb.  The shoes seem to fit ok, but my left foot is a little bigger  
then
> my right foot.
> 
> Is this a common problem?  Does it get better as the shoes break in, or 
> should I get rid of the shoes?  I never had this problem with my touring 
> shoes and clips.
> 

Not very common with clipless pedals.  In my experience that can sometimes  
be caused (when it is not a circulation problem) by the way that the bed  
of the shoe presses against the ball of the foot, which can cause a  
nervous symptom like what you are talking about.  If there is space in the  
shoes, or if you can pull out the existing insoles, you might try a pair  
of specialty insoles of some kind.  Spenco makes some, so does Merrell  
(the boot manufacturer) and Dr Scholls.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Question: rebuilding wheels 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:10:36 GMT

my brother's bike has 700C araya rims.  the front tire was a
hilite road 700 x 23C, about a year old. last weekend, when i inflated
it to 100 psi, it exploded.  luckily, we were at the bike shop, so we
bought another tube and installed it.  that one lasted about two minutes
before it went bang again.  couldn't find anything wrong with the rim,
so i bought a specialized transition and replaced the michelin.
no problems.  (my brother didn't want to carry the wheel back to the
car, though - he was too shellshocked after having two tubes explode
in his hand.  it really sounds like a gunshot.)
my two cents (or my brother's, anyway).
From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:00:19 GMT
Subject: new record for Bob Cook Hillclimb
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


Just in case anyone cares:

The most recent Bob Cook Memorial Hillclimb saw a new record set.  The
old record was 1h 47m ??s.  The new record is 1h 45m 30s.  I saw this on
the news and don't recall who set the new record.  (This is for ~ 6.8 kft
of climbing up to ~ 14.2 kft).

  - steve

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: weight body:cycle - 1:1? (was Re: bike diet)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:56:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.182527.1597@vicorp.com>
chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman) writes:
 
>
>Earlier postings spoke of numerous expensive ways to get bike weight
>down, and the much cheaper way by losing body weight.
>
>Is one pound less body weight really equivalent to losing one pound
>bike weight?
>
>If any muscle comes with the body weight, I would think the two are
>not the same.  Also, doesn't a person adapts to body weight over time,
>as opposed to something you must suddenly haul around (a heavy mtb)?
>
If we were talking automotive matters, I'd say the bike is *unsprung*
weight and the body, *sprung* weight. Bike weight is more critical in that
regard.
 
On the other hand, last night's sprint with the Wolverine Sports Club
tells me that 20 lbs off my gut would do a lot more for me than titanium
skewers ;-)
 
And yet...I ride a number of bikes of differing weight and all feel very
different. Even the two road bikes. One is a classic steel frame, the other,
an older Cannondale. And yet the Cannondale *seems* to accelerate much faster.
Maybe it's only psychology; don't know. My area with psycholinguistics. ;-)
 
       --mike
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:19010 ont.general:1288 can.general:3612
From: pauln@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:19:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: frcs.1992Jul23.171919.20501
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC

Thus spake black-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Black):

> There have recently been many negative comments about the
> use of mountain bikes for road touring.  As I understand it,
> the arguments are as follows:

>   - 26" wheels are less stable than 700c
>   - BB is too high (reduces stability)
>   - not enough hand positions, and no drop bars
>   - wrong geometry (chain stays too short)

My wife and I have done a certain amount of touring with ATBs, after
using cast-iron 10-speed bikes before.  Apart from the joy of a decent
bike after cheapo stuff, I have found that an MTB is probably the most
practical touring bike around here.  Admittedly, SA roads tend to be
either overcrowded highway or potholes/gravel.  The nicest roads (ie
scenic and uncrowded) are almost all gravel, which makes a Fat Tire
Bike a much better bet than a classic tourist.

Linda's bike is a Castello, with a lower-than-normal BB (for an MTB)
and longish wheelbase.  I've got a Diamondback.  The DB has shorter
chainstays than the Castello, which means that I have to carry my big
rear panniers further back to stop kicking them, but apart from that
the geometry seems to make very little difference.  Obviously, the two
bikes _do_ handle differently, but neither is massively affected by
the weight.  Both are more stable that the old 10-speeds.

Hand positions can be a problem, so get decent bar-ends.  They help a
lot.  I cut about 1.5" off each side of my bars as well, to get the
grip more comfortable.  We use hybrid tyres, with a solid ridge down
the middle for tar, and knobbles on the side for the rough stuff.
They seem to help a lot.

I would consider a "classic" touring bike if I only had tar to contend
with, but for local conditions I would never swap.  Oh, the extra 8
gears help a lot on hills (especially with a load) :-).

Your mileage might vary.
 
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     "God isn't dead, He's just metabolically challenged" -- me
From: dreece+@cs.cmu.edu (Douglas Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:08:12 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


An article in the Arizona Republic recently tells of Michael Secrest's hope to
ride from Los Angeles to Jacksonville, FL in 48 hours.  Apparently he
rode 1216 miles in 24 hours in April 1990.  This was at Phoenix International 
Raceway, riding behind a diesel truck with big plastic shields to deflect air.
Since he has done RAAM successfully before, he figures he could keep up
that pace for two days.  The truck would carry 500 gallons of fuel and three
drivers for the cross country trip so it wouldn't have to stop.

All he needs now is cooperation from the state governments along the route,
and money.

Doug
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:37:46 GMT

>From: ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns)
>
>>The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap over
>>the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels and 3 into 32 does not
>>go, i.e. there's always at least one spoke in the way.
>
>Avocet makes a four pronged version that fits quite nicely on 32 spoke hubs.
>It's on my wheel right over there in the corner of my office ...see?
>Sorry I don't know the part number, but it is available.

yes, it is available, and it only costs about $3 (i think mine was $2.95)!

Janice"vacation next week, yea!"G

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From: ekearns@bbn.com (Edward Joseph Kearns)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:28:02 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

jh@scs.uiuc.edu (jh) writes:

>The transmitter ring for the Avocet 30 has three little tabs which snap over
>the front hub.  Unfortunately, I have 32 spoke wheels and 3 into 32 does not
>go, i.e. there's always at least one spoke in the way.  The manual recommends
>cutting off the tabs and attaching the ring with electrical ties to the
>nearest spoke crossings.  This solution is sub-optimal given that the
>electrical ties won't match up neatly either.  Is there a clever solution
>that I am missing.  Any advice appreciated.        jh.

Avocet makes a four pronged version that fits quite nicely on 32 spoke hubs.
It's on my wheel right over there in the corner of my office ...see?
Sorry I don't know the part number, but it is available.

Enjoy,
Edzo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos)
Subject: Re: Race Across America Results
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:42:58 GMT

Sure, dial 1-900-2GO-BIKE and follow the instructions.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bike Computer Question
From: royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:03:51 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: royce


    I'm new to internet, but I have read the FAQ.  Nowhere did I see a
    discussion of computer/spedometers.

    Background:

    I got a great deal on a CATEYE Solar last fall.  It turns out that
    maybe it wasn't such a great deal after all: it died the other day. 
    The little dot in the upper right pulses when I'm rolling, but no
    speed or other function registers, and no inputs are accepted from
    the buttons.  The battery is lithium and should last five years (and
    the display is still active, indicating at least some power).

    Question for the net:

    Is it possible to repair it?

    If not, what inexpensive replacement should be considered (price and
    installation ease are tops)?  Note that I almost always use the
    cadence function when riding, since distance is relatively constant,
    and average speed is controlled mostly by lights.

    Thanks -- Royce
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Organization: Vestek Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:26:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.165826.17414@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> jeff344@voodoo.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>>
>> Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
>>Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.
>>
>Get the best deal you can, but consider supporting your local bike shops 
>instead.  The price difference between mail-order outlets and most bike 
>shops is getting smaller all the time for most name-brand products.  
>Compare a few items and find out for yourself.  I asked a local dealer 
>just last month why his prices were now so close to Nashbar's.  His 
>response (and you can take it with however many grains of salt as you'd 
>like) was:  "More and more now, name-brand manufacturers are raising the 
>prices they charge mail-order companies.  They *want* their prices to be
>comparable to prices found in bike shops.  It doesn't do them any good to
>drive bike shops out of business."
>When you add the cost of shipping and handling (and, since I'm in the
>same state as Nashbar, I must also pay sales tax), the cost is nearly the
>same.  This is perhaps why there are more and more "Nashbar" and
>"Performance" brands in those catalogs all the time.  Through them, they 
>may be trying to regain the low prices they were once able to offer.
>
     This is true, about 10 years ago when I first got into cycling, I 
ordered lots of stuff through Bike Nashbar since it was considerably cheaper
than the local Boston area bike shops. Now, I find that the prices in 
BN and Performance are no different, sometimes more expensive than the
local shops here in San Francisco. And SF is an expensive city.

     Marcus
From: fauvel@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Sylvain Fauvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cycling in Sweden, Finland and Norway
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:28:37 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hello all,

	Seem my first post didn't get through (or didn't get back
    here).  So, here it is again:

	Kent D. Polk ask information about cycling in Sweden and
    Finland.  I asked the same about Norway and Sweden few days
    before.  I placed the information i got in a file and sent it
    to him.  Anyone who would like to get this file only have to
    send me a mail at fauvel@iro.umontreal.ca.  I will probably post
    a summary of my trip when i come back.

							Sylvain Fauvel
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:52:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I think that the important thing in your message was that you
were trying to push your beliefs onto other people. And many of
them don't like it.

If you want to save lives it's very easy. Require full body-harness
safety belts and full-faced crash helmets for car occupants at all times.

This will reduce fatal head injuries by over 80%. In other words,
instead of saving a couple of hundred bicyclist lives you could save
thousands upon thousands of motorists lives.

But I'm sure that the whole object of this is to prove to 
someone else that they should think about things the way you (and I
for that matter) do.

I believe that people who want to force other people to do things
for their own good have personality problems of their own.

Sorry if this sounds a bit self-righteous, but we had enough witch
burnings in the past..
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:13:05 -0400 
From: Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Women's TdF

Excerpts from netnews.rec.bicycles: 28-Jul-92 Women's TdF by MICHAEL H.
ALAIMO@ns1.cc 
>     Seeing Jeannie Longo in the olympic roadrace reminded me of the old
>     Longo/Maria Canins rivalry of the Women's Tour de France.  Does anyone
>     know why the race is no longer held?  I always thought it was quite
>     exciting.


I heard it died from lack of sponsorship. 

Don
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From: bs.rekso@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (ojdorposkeR S B)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: looking for SHOGUN phone number
Keywords: shogun
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:30:31 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA


	looking for shogun phone number in the USA
	anybody knows ??


thanks

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Fat Tire Festival
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Date: 25 JUL 92 15:09:51    
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  

In article <9207231603.AA24426@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton") writes...
>Can someone supply me some information with some information on the Moab
>Fat Tire festival held during Halloween week.
> 

   Another vote for more info!  I would really love to have an excuse to go 
back there and check it out s'more.

    Joel Brodsky    jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                    jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                    jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                    jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:22:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Paul, if you read all of the reported stories about the accident
yyou will find that the driver was probably drunk and switched
his headlights off to try and drive the road in the dark. In the
process of doing this he crossed over the centerline and struck the
bicycle rider.

Criminal? Yes. Stupid? Yes. Should he be heavily sentenced? Absolutely!!!
His actions of leaving a broken and bleeding accident victim to die
from his injuries should put him in prison for decades, not years.

But this was _clearly_ an accident.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: verzani@frobenius.math.washington.edu (John Verzani)
Subject: Re: How do I mount a computer on fat fork MTB? 
Keywords: MTB, ATB, computer, fork 
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:50:56 GMT

Haven't heard this yet, Cateye makes a mount for this.
It costs 3 or 4 dollars, and I now it's stocked at some shops.

John

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Re: TdF on ESPN
Reply-To: idelson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:51:07 GMT

In article 27666@watson.ibm.com, ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas) writes:
>
>-- 
>
>barry tomkins strikes again. according to him, marie never won a stage in tdf.
>well, except of a prologue (two, actually). what about someone named therry
>marie who rode 220km(?) alone last year? not in barry's book.
>
>how can they take such first class feed from antenne 2 and ruin it?
>i find that i developed a perverse curiosity about barry's antiques -
>that vitriolic about chiapucci stopping for pizza and indurain developing
>taste for anchovies was one of the best. can he top this one in the next
>three days?

I don't know but I don't think he could wear an uglier sport jacket than the putrid green one he was wearing yesterday.

Ira Idelson
>
>aaron
From: terst1+@pitt.edu (Timothy E. Rapp)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Touring bicycles -- an extinct breed?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:14:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Taken from Bicycling Magazine (March 1992) 1992 Buyer's Guide:

Touring Bikes:

Giant Brownstone	$300
Giant Alondra		$450
Wheeler 4300 Trekking	$475
Nashbar 6000T Toure	$529
Peugeot X-Country	$599
Bridgestone RB-T	$619
Novara Randonee		$625
Miele Turista		$699
Cannondale T600		$740
Miyata 700 GT		$769	Best Buy (as chosen by the editors)
Miyata 1000LT		$870
Trek 520		$899
Specialized Sequoia	$1083
Cannondale T1000	$1595
Romic Tourer		$1600
Marinoni Turista Ultegra$1699
Sterling Midlands Deluxe$1750
Alex Moulton AM2	$2299
Alex Moulton AM5	$2499
Alex Moulton Jublee	$3799
Alex Moulton GT		$5499

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Teams Scoring
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:36:14 GMT

In response to a question from Paul Schulz, Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando writes:
>Some few years ago, I listened that the teams scoring comes from the three 
>first times of the riders of each team in the stage, I'm not sure if it is
>this way now.

More precisely, it is the time of the third rider on each team (i.e.
the time that the leading edge of the front wheel on the third rider's
bike crosses the line).
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