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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:22:32 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>I agree with the author as well.  If dixie.com wanted users, I see
>nothing wrong with setting up a demo account with maybe 10 minutes of
>access (that is what we have, 10 minutes -- with limited abilities)
>Since John had mentioned that he didn't want any more users, it shouldn't
>matter if dixie.com is in the nixpub or not.

It matters to people who are in Atlanta or who are moving to Atlanta
who want access.  That's what Mr Nixpub missed.  His listing systems
like mine is not a service to me, it is a service to users wanting
access.  Heck, if bunches of new users is what I wanted, a two bit list
is the last thing I'd go to.  I'd run a $100 ad in the Atlanta Constipation
and brace myself for the flood.  One has to experience a LATA the size of
Atlanta to appreciate it.

John
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From: erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:40:19 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug24.064738.26175@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbarry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.035030.26616@pdnfido.fidonet.org> erik@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Erik VanRiper) writes:
>>That is what that ONE BBSCON was all about!  If you looked at the listing in
>>this months Boardwatch magazine, you would see that 95% of the conferences 
>>were about "makeing the most money off of your BBS".  Phfft.  :-)
> 
>	That, unfortunately, seems to be what most people were interested
>	in doing.  

	They can leave me out of it then.  :-)  Maybe the GNU group should start
a $3.00 magazine about their software, I am sure they would have no problems
getting advertisers.  Kinda oxymoronic tho..  :-)



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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Reply-To: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:01:34 GMT

In article <BtoyMy.FwI@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> >Why the hell not? It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks
> >like a duck. Unix isn't an operating system... it's a family of operating

> Ok, allow Coherent now, QNX tommorrow, OS2 next month, DOS next year

I'd allow QNX today. I'll allow OS/2 when OS/2 (a) provides the UNIX API,
and (b) allows me to do everything I expect to be able to do in a UNIX
system using the UNIX API. That includes fork(). That includes kill()
and signal(). That includes making a PIF file a named pipe and pumping
lies into the Windows interface through it. That includes being able to
install Taylor UUCP, a PD init, and John Haugh's login replacement and have 
it all work. Then I'll consider it UNIX.

> (of course with the unix tools like ls, grep, etc..) -- maybe a DOS
> machine that has SMTP/NNTP should be included today?

Networking isn't part of the basic UNIX API. Whether or not it's available
under DOS is irrelevant.
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: Nixpub meaning
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 22:41:23 GMT

ppg@oasis.icl.co.uk (Philippe Goujard) writes:

>The way I see the Nixpub list (phil correct me if I'm wrong) is a list
>for people who are interested in unix systems and are looking for a site
>nearby where they can learn more, or practice or get some services (such
>as news, email etc...).

While "Open Access" implies that shell accounts are available, not every
site is willing to give shell accounts out freely. Therefore, most systems
generally have a BBS interface which users can interact with. Shell access
is usually restricted for those personally contacted by the Sysop, etc.,
due to various security problems.

Furthermore, examination of the list shows sites with the statement
"No shell". Since these sites are simply BBS's on a UNIX platform, if
they were running Waffle, how would they differ?


>It is NOT intended primary as a list of sites who provide usenet access
>(and indeed some sites in the list only provide shell access or anon UUCP).

This very statement invalidates your above claim. What good is anonymous
UUCP for someone interested "unix systems and looking for a site nearby
where they can learn more"?

To many users, USENET and Internet-addressable e-mail is *exactly* what
they are looking for. UNIX capabilities are an aftertought.


>So what is the interest of a nixpub list? 
>Well for me it is intended for people who want to :
[list deleted]

Since there are many sites on the list which do not offer services
which fit your criteria, clearly your thought of Phil's "intended"
audience is incorrect.

>In that objective, I think any Unix-like OS can be accepted.

Given what some of the systems listed in the nixpub offers, underlying
operating system utilization is irrelevant, as the user never interacts
with the OS.

MD
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From: HARTTREE@vax1.elon.edu (Matthew Harttree)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: ZMODEM HELP......   Availibilty for IBM PC.....
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:30:57 GMT
Organization: Elon College
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Elon College is currently using kermit to access our vax.  We have installed
a zmodem port on our vax.  Is there a TSR version of zmodem that will
stay resident while a communications program is active (like kermit).
It would then pop up when a zmodem send is received from the vax or a user 
presses a series a keys to activate it manually.

I would be interested in getting this file via FTP

Please reply via email


Thanks,
Matt

  "Where all the programs are above average and the VAXes are good looking."
                            Matthew Harttree       
			   HARTTREE@VAX1.ELON.EDU
         +919-584-2295  / +919-570-8120 (voice mail)  / +919-584-2575 (FAX)
------------------------------
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: HARTTREE@vax1.elon.edu (Matthew Harttree)
Subject: CLARIFICATION: ZMODEM AND THE PC
Organization: Elon College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:43:34 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

My aopologies for not making my original post clear.  

In summation:

Does anyone know of a TSR implementation Of ZMODEM the will sit on top 
of a communication program like kermit and popup when needed and then you
can unload it when your done.   I would really appreciate some help on this!



Thanks!
Matt

  "Where all the programs are above average and the VAXes are good looking."
                            Matthew Harttree       
			   HARTTREE@VAX1.ELON.EDU
         +919-584-2295  / +919-570-8120 (voice mail)  / +919-584-2575 (FAX)
------------------------------
Not as an indication of inability but as a statement of freedom:
I speak only for my self. 

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: TBBS is very limited
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:17:03 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>Going back to what somebody else said (sorry, I forget who), I think
>it's the case that when TBBS wants to run certain modules/whatever
>(like handing incoming news) it needs to shut-down on-line operation.

Yes -- all of the lines must shut down in order to process usenet news.

So your 16 line BBS must go "off-hook" on all 16 lines to process news.
Hmm -- just think - your news would be 24 hours old before leaving the
system if you brought all 16 lines down once a day -- I can't imagine
bringing all the lines down once an hour -- could you?


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From: slewis@whitebase.ukp.com (Scott Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Vbbs                 
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 17:37:10 EDT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

* BBS Intelligence reported Adol Christain saying this about Vbbs: 

 AC> So did anyone ever get VBBS working with USENet?  I coulden't so
 AC> I  broke down and ran waffle.  Oh well, now I miss VBBS, and want to
 AC> run  Waffle as a door (I don't know if it is possible).  Anyways, I was
 AC> on the  author's board and tried mailing out, and it never made it.  I
 AC> don't  think even the author's board ever got it working right.  Shame.

        Did you register VBBS?  You cannot use any network other than
        their propietary VirtualNET network until AFTER registering.
        When you register, you are mailed the programs needed to
        interface Waffle with VBBS.  Waffle is used to call out for
        Usenet mail, and then it's converted right into the VBBS message
        base.

<< Scott >>

... Do agnostics engage in idol speculation?
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From: kirkm@hotcity.COM (Kirk Marcroft)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Looking for BBS near Eureka,CA or 707 area code
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:17:05 GMT
Organization: BBS

I looking for a BBS in the area of Eureka, California or BBS in the 
707 area code





Any info would be helpful........
Thanks

Wookie
From: cybrspc!wwiv!84-500@cs.umn.edu (sysadmin#lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) #84 @500)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:23:47 GMT

1095-503@wwiv.cojones.com (mr.mike#ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Mr Mike)  #1095  writes:

> You would be in the minority then.  As far as the PC industry and
> BBSing and Communications go...these are, in fact, the top in the

Please qualify this statement, Mr Mike.  Here, I will do it for you:

As far as the American MS/DOS-based commercial for-profit BBS industry
goes . . .  ONE BBScon had but a smattering of anything *BUT* MS/DOS
vendors, and all of those were aimed at *commercial* application.  As a
matter of fact, the entire ONE BBScon was aimed at commercialization of
BBSs and how to make the most of it.

Don't get me wrong.  There is nothing wrong with making a profit providing
a sevice that is wanted.  That is what Compuserve, Prodigy, America Online,
and countless others do - and do well I might add.  The problem is that there
are too many people who want to look at commercial BBSs as the standard to
follow, when they should be looking for an internationally acceptable
communications standard.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Nixpub meaning
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 09:33:57 GMT
 835@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk><1992Sep01.224123.3043@anomaly.sbs.risc.net><837@ozz.o
 asis.icl.co.uk><1992Sep02.221114.19523@anomaly.sbs.risc.net><Btz935.1Cv@gator.rn.com>
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

> kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
> 
> >"Open Access UNIX (*NIX) Sites [ Fee/No Fee] for mapped sites only"
> 
> Right there answers the question --
> 
> it doesn't say Minix
> it doesn't say Lunix
> it doesn't say Linux
> it doesn't say QNX
> it doesn't say Coherent
> it doesn't say DOS
> 
> It says UNIX.  If it doesn't say UNIX, it should not be included
> in the list.   Real UNIX is UNIX, not some variation.  If it doesn't
> have the AT&T/USL Copyright, then I guess it isn't UNIX.

Larry, I'd have to assume that you're trying in some extremely obscure way
to be humorous, because I don't believe anyone could really be that stupid
and still manage to turn their computer on in the morning.

BTW, it also says *NIX in brackets, and assuming you can manage sentences
of more than three words I presume you read it. Define "*NIX" for me. Or
even better, ask Phil <whoever> who maintains the list.

						- k

PS why *do* you have such an inferiority complex about the OS you use?
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Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 21:35:11 -0400 
From: Nicholas Marshall Kramer <nk24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pay for a BBS?
	<1992Sep1.182114.7066@yenta.alb.nm.us>

 I agree that if a person (such as myself) doesn't like pay BBSes, that
person can just not call them. From what I always understood, that's the
American ideal: If you don't like it, don't buy it. I do think you all
are missing one critical point, however: Money is not the same as
quality.

 Believe it or not, you can run a damn good board for a very minimal
amount of money. It all depends on what you consider "good". If your
good means "several gigabytes of files online", then yes, a good system
is gonna cost a lot of money. But if good is related to messages or even
online games, then money has little or nothing to do with the quality of
the board. Keep in mind your definition of "good" before passing
judgement on those crappy little free boards.

					Nick
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.dcom.modems
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: RE-USRobotics SysOp deal
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:28:21 GMT

Davin.Flateau@f120.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Davin Flateau) writes:

>   However, be aware that HST speed on the new modems is now 16.8k...you get a
>LOT extra for that price.

But with the Worldblazer and TurboPEP you get slightly better throughput
than one does with a USR 16.8 HST -- I believe the SYSOP price on the USR
DS is $449 verses the Telebit WB SYSOP price of $428.  Both are quality modems,
and the USR offers better real-time latency performance.
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From: weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us (Dean Kerl)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: 16550 uart chips question
Keywords: chip
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:23:01 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

baloo@mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal) writes:


>  I have been considering buying a new serial card for my computer.  I have a 14.4 modem and run a multitasker.  I sometimes lose characters when downloading.  Wil this chip really stop that?

Yes, if you're communications software supports the 16550. Be careful if
you're running a Windows app, some of them don't so you won't see any
improvement.

Dean
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From: jeric@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Jeric Woo)
Subject: Nexis/Lexis Database, How to access???
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Keywords: Nexis, Lexis, Database
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:31:13 GMT

Hi,

Does anyone know how to access the Nexis/Lexis database?  This database 
allows the user to search major national and regional newspapers and 
periodicals on a daily basis for cites.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!!

| Jeric Woo
| University Advancement, UC Irvine
| jeric@berkp.uadv.uci.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Reply-To: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:18:32 GMT

In article <Btqzrt.6y5@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> >Coherent is a multi-user multitasking OS that, by all accounts, bears more
> >than a passing resemblance to Unix V7. Virtually any Unix user, given a
> >Coherent shell on a character-based terminal, wouldn't realise they weren't
> >on Unix. The only thing not-Unix about Coherent is the price - I don't

> Virtually any user would be able to tell that they were not running
> real UNIX when their favorite applications like Word Perfect, dBase or
> Lotus would not run.

I see. If it doesn't run Lotus-123 it's not uNIX?

Right. I'll send our multiuser minis back and tell Arete that they're not
uNIX systems because they don't have a bunch of ports of really gross DOS
software for them. And our 40 or so Xenix-286 boxes.

Not running Word Perfect might well be a valid reason to not purchase a
given system. But that's got *nothing* to do with whether it's uNIX or not.
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From: Dana_Huggard@tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Dana Huggard)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Native BBS's
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:51:21 PST
Organization: TERRA FIRMA BBS

Does anyone know of,Have lists of or run a Native BBS?

I know of the fidonet backbone Native Issues echo. Would like to know more.


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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: What distinguishes "good" BBS software from "bad"?
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:57:28 GMT

cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:

>	Again, it's pretty much up to you to master the software.  As much
>as I'll praise TBBS, I've seen many a Remote Access or QuickBBS (or whatever)
>system that in my mind was superior because of the presentation.

and because of the services available, ie: users ability to spawn ftp,
telnet, word perfect, DOS, etc from within the BBS --

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From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Newswire service
Summary: Newswire services
Keywords: newswire
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:00:40 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

Can someone tell me how I can get newswire service from Reuter or
Wall Street Journal, etc.?  Thank you. 

P.S. I know about Clarinet but I need more than just UPI.

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From: akcs.gums@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:55:03 CDT

Is it just me, or does it seem that John has totally slipped
over the edge because of this?  He is striking me as one
scary, insecure guy...
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Nixpub meaning
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:17:06 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) writes:

>>"Open Access UNIX (*NIX) Sites [ Fee/No Fee] for mapped sites only"

>Right there answers the question --

>it doesn't say Minix
>it doesn't say Lunix
>it doesn't say Linux
>it doesn't say QNX
>it doesn't say Coherent
>it doesn't say DOS

>It says UNIX.  If it doesn't say UNIX, it should not be included
>in the list.   Real UNIX is UNIX, not some variation.  If it doesn't
>have the AT&T/USL Copyright, then I guess it isn't UNIX.

Your right, I does say UNIX. I also says *NIX which would seem
to include Minix and Lunix or anything ending in 'NIX'. I don't
see where it has to have AT&T/USL copyright.

In other words there's some leeway, how much isn't clear....

Dave

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From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Coherent Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:26:23 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.

In article <id.OBQS.262@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
>Why the hell not? It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks
>like a duck. Unix isn't an operating system... it's a family of operating
>systems with widely diverging internals... but the interfaces are all the
>same so as far as users and applications programs are concerned they're the
>same system.

	Much true!  I ran Coherent for a while there...the old release.
The only thing that I didn't like about it was that it has that limit
on the compiler...which the new release (v4.0) gets rid of.  Other
then that, it is Unix to me.  It runs rn, c-news, all the Unix
utilities, there is a broad Public Domain source base for it, and
with the new release, maybe some people will actually port some of
the commercial software over...I think our buddy John has a little
bit of a 'my system is better then everyone else's' complex, eh??

Good day...

Marc
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:00:04 GMT

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>Waffle is about the most cryptic BBS available --  it by no means is
>user friendly -- the user interface is non-standard and "off the wall" requiring
>a steep learning curve.

>Many new users finally hang-up due the the hard to learn user interface.  Users
>want single key commands with hot-keys and ANSI color.

You're not saying that '%' or '$' leaves the novice with any feeling of
secruty, do you?  How 'bout rn?  or emacs?

Larry, you did a hot-key port and Doug Fields at admiral did color.  Are
we too quick to forget?  All it takes is the source code, which is available,
albeit for a price.  And what's wrong with typing '?' or 'help'?

By the bye, there'll soon be a hypertext help application for Waffle, if
Pat Cain and I can free up some more time.

But we digress.  I sense religious fervor amidst the ranks.