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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Pierogy - my new found low-fat food find
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 09:59:44 EDT

In article <BstwC5.LwG@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas) writes:
>In article <23459@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown) writes:
>> 
>> Has anyone ever heard of Pierogies?  I'm sure someone out there has,
>> but I was just introduced to them.  They are pasta shells (kinda like
>> a ravioloi) stuffed with potatoes and cheddar cheese.  I know it sounds
>> fattening.  But here's the nutritional information per serving:
>> 
>> Serving size:  1 Pierogy (38g)
>> 
>> Calories      60
>> Protein        2g
>> Carbohydrate  11g
>> Cholesterol  < 2mg
>> Fat          < 1g
>> 
>> These things are great!  Topped with a tomato sauce, plain, served as
>> a side dish, or stir fried with fresh veggies.
>> 
>> I found them in the grocery store in the frozen food section near the
>> buritoes and other packaged stuff.  Not in with frozen dinners.
>> 
>> Well, I hope someone tries them.  I think they are great.  Oh, and I
>> almost forgot one important thing.  What a bargin!  12 Pierogies come
>> in a box for a whopping $1.77. = )
>> 
>> Jennifer Brown
>
>
>Oh, best news I read so far on this group. And I thought all along
>that perogies were my downfall. I still believe it. I seem to need
>5 of these delicacies for dinner to satisfy me (and my craving!).
>Of course, roasting them in butter with cut up onions doesn't help
>the calorie count. It's hard to believe there is only 1 gr fat in
>them, because if they are filled with cheddar, it seems to me it
>would have more fat. Thanks Jennifer, you made my day! Perogylover J.

Its not just the butter and onions, don't forget the traditional
sour cream!!!  I, too, love pierogies but it would be hard to
eat them without the fats!!  Speaking of potato filled delicasies (??),
does anyone know the nutritional breakdown of (can I even TRY to
spell this...) knishes (potato)?  

As for my progress...These last 25 or so pounds aren't gonna be easy...
I was UP 1 at WW this week.  Bummer....  

Margot



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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Last 10 lbs / Losing Control
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:08:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug10.171004.2441@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> ibmpa!cdc017.austin.ibm.com!lkoh@ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com writes:
>
>> Weighing less won't makes your grades better, 
>> make you a better person, make people love you more (all things
>> that are important to me:), it will only make you weigh less...
>> Why would a healthy, young, athletic person want to do that anyway???
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Why? I'll tell you precisely why...because it *does*  
>"make sense at 22"  (I'm 20).  I happen to think that
>losing 10, 20, or 30 pounds would make me the happiest 
>girl on the planet, and that would in turn change a lot
>and i mean a *lot*, maybe just about everything, for the
>better, including my self-esteem, disposition, motivation, 
>and yes, grades and the way people interact with me.  Does
>any of this make sense?  I just reread this and it may seem
>like I'm being facetious, but I'm not. I am totally serious!
>Wow isn't it neat the way one line is just 1 character longer
>than the line before it, except for this one.
>

That is really neat.  (The way the lines went, I mean).  

When I was 22 -- well, more like 24 -- I thought that, too.  I
had a lot more to lose than you do.  I lost them, more than 100 of
them, and I looked really good.  Funny thing, though ... men
didn't suddenly pop out of the woodwork to sweep me away.  My self-
esteem still rested on whether or not I was at my goal weight that day,
that hour, that minute.  I still interacted the same way with people.
I was still _me_.  

I didn't gain the whole 100 back, but I did gain some of it over the
next 6 or 7 years.  I'd like to be thin.  But I also have a wonderful
boyfriend and feel better about myself than I did then, even when I
was thin.  I'm continuing to work on this stuff (and probably always
will), but I think you're deluding yourself to make that wonderful
list of qualities contingent on getting down to that elusive
"perfect" weight.  I know it sells in Hollywood, but I don't think
it does in real life.

 
wonderful 

-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and as far as I'm
concerned, happy campers you will always be."
                  --J. Danforth Quayle in American Samoa
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: scales
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:23:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I would like to re-iterate that I am not advocating denial when I say
the scales do not help me.

I look at my naked body in a full length mirror at least twice per
week.

I don't like the idea that some number rules my self-esteem. With the
mirror I can see exactly what needs work and work on it. I am not
using an arbitrary number to control my behavior.

In fairness though, I should say that  this is more of a
"maintenance plan" than a weight-loss plan for me. I lost 25 lbs a few
years ago and generally wanted to change my thinking to keep it off. I
felt that I needed a plan that wasn't focused around a scale ( as my
life was when I was larger) . 

For me it works to stay focused on my eating and excercise habits
rather than a number. It helps me avoid getting caught up in the
guilt/deprivation/binge cycles that characterized my behavior
previously.

If you *need* a scale, go for it! I have found a way to live happily
without one and thought some might find a valuable tool for some stage
of their "plan".

Best wishes

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas)
Subject: How come I don't lose weight - Clarification
Keywords: walk,
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:59:48 GMT


Further to my previous post, the 50 mins. mean 50 mins. per walk.
Sorry, should have caught that. Is it significant to weightloss
that I am 51 years old? Hope not! Thanks to all who bring perls
of wisdom to me.
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Short Env. Tips available (inc diet/health/env.)
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:25:40 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I have available to interested parties a 300-line (40 block?) file
called "Short Environmental Tips".  This file is heavily, though not
exclusively, based on the book "50 Simple Things You Can Do to Save
the Earth" (EarthWorks Press #25, 1400 Shattuck Ave, Berkeley, CA
94709, USA  ISBN 0-929634-06-3).

The choices we make about what we eat can have a direct impact on
the environment.  A diet that is healthy for us (i.e. less meat,
less eggs, less dairies) also tends to be better for the Earth
as well.  For more details, you'd ultimately have to consult
"50 Simple Things" or more specialized books (e.g. "Diet for 
a Smaller Planet"), but a couple of items in "Short Environmental
Tips" address this issue too.

If interested, contact me by e-mail at:

Red_Trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

I prefer to send the file via e-mail, as I seem to have a much higher
failure rate sending it as a file.

BTW, "Short Environmental Tips" is expressly *NOT* copyrighted.  It
may be reproduced, crossposted, or otherwise redistriubted at will
(including publication) in whole or in part.
From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Modified Muffins etc.
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:12:25 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

 > Sorry for being so cynical this morning.  (I'm just annoyed that my
> experimentation with the oatmeal cookies wasn't a success - I ate one,
> my husband ate one, my 2 small children each had a 1/2 of one, and the 
> remainder of the 3 1/2 dozen are still sitting there.)

How would they taste if you crushed them, sprayed them with Pam or something,
and baked the crumbs for a while, then placed them over some baked or poached
fruit? If that doesn't work, who do you know who has dogs :-) (I'm fortunate
to have 2 that love *everything* Mom cooks).

On the yogurt cheese issue, cheesecloth double-draped over a colander works,
as do the coffee funnels (as someone else mentioned).

I'm *really* going to go back to the Prevention's and see what caveats they
have for applesauce vs. oil. 

Some Taco Bells now have nutritional information in a nice little handout, for
free.

Everybody, keep up the good work! 

Patricia
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Scaley tale
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:48:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Well, with all the discussion going on about scales, I thought I'd
mention what happened to me today.  It's primarily horrible, but
there's a bit of good in it, too.

I decided a year ago to stop weighing myself.  (I had previously
been in the habit of weighing myself daily, and as you may remember
from my previous posts, I'm also a prodigious yo-yo dieter.)  I
also decided a year ago not to go on a diet but to try to get away from
compulsive eating altogether.  The powers that be in this school of
thought recommend making peace with all your forbidden foods first;
i.e., allow them back in your daily diet.  Eat what you want, etc.
Accept yourself.  So that's what I've been working on this past year.

I knew I had gained weight over the year, and this morning I found out
I gained 30 pounds.  That's the extremely horrible part.  The good news
(there's got to be a silver lining somewhere) is that even before I got
on the scales, I guessed what my weight would be and I was exactly,
to-the-pound, right.  This is heartening to me because it means I truly
don't need the scale to tell me what I weigh; I'm now able to discern it
for myself.  My body image is no longer as distorted as it once was.  
The other silver lining (though many won't perceive it as such) is that
it hasn't ruined my day!  I'm just amazed.  No, I don't want to weigh this
much.  But instead of being my whole life, or the basis for my self
esteem, I'm finding that it's just a part of my life that I'm not happy
with; there are so many other parts that I _am_ happy about.  

For some reason, I'm just feeling really motivated to eat healthy and
treat myself right -- not to go on a crash diet, but to eat well and
start chipping away at this weight in earnest.  But not as the major
focus of my life.  Is this making any sense?  Am I nuts??


-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
            -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: The Feeling of Losing Control
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:10:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.171519.28924@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com I write:

[ a bunch of stuff ]

I just wanted to say that I reread the original article and realize that
the poster sounds like she is in a much different place than I am.  I
have these cravings all the time, regardless of whether I am dieting
or not (actually, I did not have them while I was on my VLCD--but that
doesn't necessarily mean they are physiological).

However, her post struck me as a succinct description of compulsive
overeating.  I've been fighting it for over 20 years and I'm sorry if
I implied that it was "easy" to fix.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: egg substitute
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 19:54:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

As i mentioned in my previous post, I tried the egg substitute in
muffins this morning and it was great. It is easily used to replace
eggs in baked goods and is fat free.

The stuff I use is called "Ener G" Egg replacer, is available in
health food stores and has the following composition:
10 calories, 2 grams carbohydrate, O gr. fat, O gram protein. It is
made mostly from potato starch.

So used in place of one egg, one "replacer" serving eliminates several
grams of fat and about 80 calories per egg replaced. It also
eliminates a significant amount of sodium and cholesterol.
It gives baked good that "cake-like" consistency that is lost when the
eggs are eliminated.

The box has recipes for egg-free mousse, egg-free mayonaise,egg-free
lemon meringue pie, even quiche!

Best wishes.

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman)
Subject: wasting my time
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:39:36 GMT



   I used to be about 200 lb. Got it down to 160 and kept it there by
dieting cycles. I decided that this was no way to live and discovered 
Covert Bailey - since then I have drastically reduced fat in my diet

Breakfast 
2 bananas
Coffee lightened with 1% Milk
Bowl of bran wetted down with lightened coffee  described above
so that I get about 2 oz of milk

2 apples through the morning
lunch - pita breads apple and orange

2 oranges through afternoon (possible with low fat popcorn

dinner - low fat meal
ie unbuttered potato, corn or rice,
chicken breast/skinless, fish

I drink club soda - sometimes flavored

I lift weights 3-4 times a week
Nordic track 5-7 times a week 30-40 minutes

well I my weight holds steady - shoulders getting larger but so is
the gut. I consoled myself with the thought that at least I was
healthier but my blood pressure was taken today and it was 
one hundred something over 96 and the doctor wants me to have it
checked periodically.

feels like I am wasting my time.

Should I just give up and have a beer and sarah lee weekend?

I am 44, 5'8 185 lb male

                           Jerry Freedman,Jr
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Packing Lunches
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:09:05 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Aug15.072428.23124@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>
>Any and all hints as to how to make brown-bagging it more pleasant,
>while keeping it low-fat, greatly appreciated!
>
>

I maintain a large bin that contains a mixture of dried beans of every
variety. Once every two weeks, I remove some of the beans and cook
them with a generous amount of red potatoes, bay leaves, fresh garlic,
salt, and pepper. Sometimes I add corn, etch, to vary it a little. Using
a 12-quart pot, I make about 10 quarts.

I immediately divide the receipe among several microwavable containers.
Each is large enough for two meals. Therefore, I only have to bring my
lunch to work every other day.

All the above assumes you have both a refrigerator and a microwave
oven at your office.

Note that when eating dried beans in quantity, you should make them
"gasless" before cooking. Soak them overnight. Then pour off the
water several times, until it runs clear. This removes the undigestable
sugars that give you gas. (If you were to drink this water, you
would have a gas explosion.) Some people soak their beans overnight
with a little baking soda, since the undigestable sugars are slightly
more soluble in alkaline water.

Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:42:45 -0400 
From: Judi Mancuso <jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: NEED SUPPORT NOW

Hi--
I have returned from my beach vacation,had a fabulous time, ate amazing
gourmet food, drank superb wine--then watched the videos.  That should
say it all.  
I have been on and off the net now for months and think the support is
fabulous.  These 40 lbs.I have been wrestling with must go and I think I
am ready.  WW is my prime program--I lost 83 there 7 years ago.  I need
advice, encouragement and support and lots of it--NOW.  Thanks, Judi.
P.S.  I'd love success stories too.  You can e-mail me if you want.
From: BETTYJ@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Betty Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Throwing away the bathroom scale?
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:48:11 GMT
 <63620006@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> <1992Aug19.012915.28904@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: University of Maine System

I've been following this thread about scales for a while and figure it's
time to throw in my 2 cents.  I have recently lost 70+ lbs - took about
8 months - and have been more or less maintaining my loss since March.
I weigh myself every morning in the nude, after taking care of bathroom
needs, and before eating or drinking anything.  There is nothing sacred
about this time or set of conditions, it is merely an attempt to
establish some kind of controlled situation.  If the scale shows the
same weight as last time or even a loss, I am naturally pleased and
somewhat self satisfied. BUT if there is a gain, I do not panic or heap
abuse upons myself.  Rather, I try to review what has happened in the
last 24-48 hours.  Am I constipated?  Am I retaining water?  Did I eat a
greater volume of food than usual, 'bad' or 'good' food?  And most
particularly, what did the scale tell me yesterday.  I am not trying to
rationalize, but I am looking for trends.  If I can see that I have a
case of the 'upward creeps', I get very righteous about what I eat until
the weight is down where I want it to be. And also 'where I want it to
be' is not a single figure, but rather a narrow range of figures. I
don't know if this attitude will work for anyone else, but it might help
someone escape from the dreaded Number Fixation that is so prevalent
among dieters, particularly those from WW or other weigh-in type groups.
P.S. Thanks Tom, and others for the great recipes and other food ideas.
Keep 'em coming.
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Iced Tea (was Re: Diet soft drinks)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:04:00 GMT
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System

Any iced tea drinkers out there?  I've recently discovered the flavored
teas (Bigelow, Celestial Seasonings, etc) like Mint and Wild Mountain 
Blackberry.  You can either make a picture of all flavored tea, or you 
can use one of the flavored bags along with the 3 or 4 other plain tea 
bags you use to add a little "interest" to the tea.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: How come I don't lose weight?
Keywords: walk, walk, walk
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:17:40 GMT

In article <BsxIwz.ECv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jhaas@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (J. Haas) writes:
>
>I have a basic question: since May 92 I walk rather briskly
>4-5 lunchhours per week (50 mins.) How come I haven't lost
>weight. My eating habits have NOT changed.

Here are some possible answers:

- you are losing fat, but gaining muscle -- are your clothes getting loose?
- your eating habits have changed (you are eating more)

A brisk (4mile/hr) 1-hr walk burns about 400 calories.  It would not be
hard to eat 400 extra calories without being aware of it.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Iced Tea (was Re: Diet soft drinks)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:55:03 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

>> Any iced tea drinkers out there?  I've recently discovered the flavored
>> teas (Bigelow, Celestial Seasonings, etc) like Mint and Wild Mountain 
>> Blackberry.  You can either make a picture of all flavored tea, or you 
>> can use one of the flavored bags along with the 3 or 4 other plain tea 
>> bags you use to add a little "interest" to the tea.

I agree--they're great. I think loose or bagged tea gives you terrific
flavor. They're even easy to drink without sugar or *that stuff* in it.
The most delicious easy iced tea is Nestea's Lemon-flavored iced tea, and
just throw in a heaping tablespoon of frozen orange concentrate with it/per
about gallon of tea. People love it, and the orange sweetens it for those
who want that :-)

Everybody have a great weekend!
-- 
P.K.
Geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu
From: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Packing Lunches
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:20:06 GMT
Reply-To: peggys@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Network Displays Manufacturing, Tektronix,Inc

In article <1992Aug15.072428.23124@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD) writes:
> From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
> Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
> Subject: Packing Lunches
> Date: 15 Aug 92 07:24:28 GMT
> Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
> 
> I've recently started working full-time, and packing lunches has always
> seemed a boring and time-consuming job to me, but pack I must.
> 
> Any and all hints as to how to make brown-bagging it more pleasant,
> while keeping it low-fat, greatly appreciated!
> 
> 
> Annie

I would also appreciate people posting on this subject.  I pack my lunch &
tend to stick to the same things...sandwich with lite bread, lite mayo,
lite lunchmeat & fat free cheese, lite yogurt & veggies...pretty boring, huh!

					Peggy

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