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From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: the FAQ + more ice skating stuff?
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:25:11 GMT
	<1992Oct6.210147.21464@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com's message of 6 Oct 92 21:01:47 GMT

>I just browsed through the 5 FAQ files just posted and I didn't see
>a single FAQ on ice skating (unless you count the ones involving the
>switchable roller/ice skates).  There was a whole FAQ file on buying
>roller blades.  How about one on where/what kind of ice skates (boots
>and blades) to buy?

Totally agreed. Let's just start from here. Where and what kind of ice
skates we should buy? Where are the best locations to do speed skating 
(short and 400m tracks, and not in UK, of course. :-)?

As I myself is not too bad in speed skating (400m track), probably
we could also put in something technical if there are any questions
asked. :-) Others may add some hockey and figure skating stuff.


Yi Qin
qinyi@cs.man.ac.uk
From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: the FAQ + more ice skating stuff?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:57:10 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Keywords: xxx

In article <1992Oct6.210147.21464@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>> For you ice skaters out there, I know you feel swamped by the in-line and
>> and roller crowd, but you are more than welcome to add stuff to the FAQ
>> files. (Granted, there haven't been too many FAQs for ice skating, but
>> we gotta start somewhere 8-)

>I just browsed through the 5 FAQ files just posted and I didn't see
>a single FAQ on ice skating (unless you count the ones involving the 
>switchable roller/ice skates).  There was a whole FAQ file on buying
>roller blades.  How about one on where/what kind of ice skates (boots
>and blades) to buy?  

Not to step on the ice skaters too hard, but is this really a
frequently asked question?  Seems like about every week there's a
newbie wanting to know what inlines to buy, but people rarely ask that
question about ice skates.  Of course, I don't follow the ice skating
threads, so I may be wrong.

Suggestions for Tony:  How about adding descriptive titles to the
different "parts"?  Such as "Intro and Stopping Techniques", "What to
buy and where", etc.  You have titles within the files, just add them
to the subject header.  Also, please post part 2 as a follow-up to
part 1, etc., so that those of us with threaded newsreaders see them
all as one thread.




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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Hazzard of skating
Keywords: calcium injury heel boot
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:45:15 GMT

In <1992Oct8.213017.7006@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

>I'm in the process of breaking in a new pair of ice skating
>boots and I have developed a calcium buildup on my left heel
>which is about the diameter of a quarter and about 1/16 to 1/8
>of an inch high.  I am assuming that it is a result of my new
(stuff deleted)
>and that it went away on its own after a few weeks.  What's the
>poop?  


I had the same problem when I went from Ridell to SP-Teri boots. I developed
calcium buildups on a number of spots on my feet. This was because the 
boots fit me much better and rubbed my skin more. Most of the buildup
went away after a few months, however one on the top of my left foot remains
after 4 years. The podiatrist said is was a cyst and would have to be 
drained to be removed, but since it was not painful and didn't cause
a problem that it was not necessary to remove. This buildup goes away when
I decrease my skating, but comes back again when I skate more. 

Many times if you put a pad between your boot and the sore
spot it will help decrease the pain and swelling. 



-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: abrupt stopping of inlines
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:42:43 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

In article <Iep6Ccb0BwyOM2Qvwz@transarc.com> Ward_Travis@transarc.com writes:
>Phil Earndhardt writes:
>
>> Rather than wrap myself around a telephone pole or a car, I "slid" towards the
>> side of the road. I didn't trash myself or my pants -- the main problem is
>> that it looks horribly undignified. After a quick look to see who saw me make
>> this ugly manuver, I dusted myself off and continued.
>
>some yards away nearly swooned, she thought I'd killed myself for
>certain. I hopped up and began to show her the pads and such to let
>her understand that I was all right, but to no avail. I felt bad for
>scaring her, but hey, she wasn't at risk at all; she was upset that
>she had seen me crash!
>
>Anybody else see this phenomenon, that crashes are harder on the
>spectators than the skater?

Yah, this happens for me all the time whenever I bit the big one.  All my
wipes are usually accompanied by some impressive plastic scraping from my
pads and (unfortunately) my shell at times *sniff*.  The bystanders are
usually wincing quite painfully.   All I can say is WEAR YOUR GEAR!
No pain....your gain 8-)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: goetzj@pell1l23.alleg.edu (Justin Goetz)
Subject: skateboard
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:15:54 GMT
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: questions on skating technique
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:47:18
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs's message of 8 Oct 92 12:21:44 GMT

In article <QINYI.92Oct8132144@r6i.uk.ac.man.cs> qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs
(Yi Qin (BCW PhD)) writes:

   *** I don't think one can simply transfer the techniques of roller skating
   to ice skating. There are many important aspects which are different.
   In-line skating is closer to ice skating anyway. Any comment on this?***


Yup. The differences in mechanical equipment between the skate types
is a not-so-straightforward parameter space. Currently, if you want to
do "artistic"-type skating you want to go to traditional roller
skates.  Speed skating is a different story. Personally, I learned the
foundations on ice skates and transferred them to traditional roller
skates. There were some footwork that I developed on roller skates
that I in turn migrated to ice skates. Each skate type has a parameter
"envelope" and it is fun sometimes to push the envelope of one skate
type by first developing the technique on another where it is easier
to do. Here is an actual example. In traditional roller skating, there
is a type of interleaved herringbone-like 3-turn footwork that is
actually has the person facing perpendicular to his travel. I mastered
this on traditional roller skates and transferred it to ice. Can
anybody do this step smoothly on roller blades? (It turns out to be a
whole class of such steps. Another such step is to be seen in the
movie "Kentucky Fried Movie", an early Zucker, Zucker, & Abrahms (sp?)
film. The guy is doing it in shoes though.)


The man with a 1,000 moves,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: mldicken@bbn.com (Michael Dickens)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Which wheels where?, and Alignment...
Keywords: Wheels, Alignment
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:26:51 GMT
Reply-To: mldickens@bbn.com
Organization: BBN Systems and Technologies
NNTP-Posting-Host: flounder.bbn.com

cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams) writes:
|> 
|>  adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >   up to 72.5mm:  Bauer, any model under XR/10, 
|> >                  Rollerblade, any model under Aeroblades.
|> >                  I'm not sure about Coolblades, since although they
|> >                  come with 72mm wheels, but I'd bet they can take
|> >                  76mm wheels (since they have the Aero chassis).
|> >                  Anyone know for sure?
|> 
|> 
|> I'm presently using running 77mm Kryptonics on my coolblades 
|> with room to spare. I think 80's will probably fit. 

80mm will fit for sizes 8.5(?) and above. I'm not sure why, but it might
have to do with the number of wheels...  I wear size 10.5, and haven't
had a problem with 80mm Krypto's yet. But then againk, the wheels are
brand new ;-].

Supposedly, you can get 72.5mm wheels on the RollerBlade TRS &
Lightnings, though from what I hear you have to put up with a VERY
slight rub for until the top gets worn down that first .2mm or so. Why
not just get 72mm??? That 0.5mm won't last long anyway.

--------

On a different note, I'm having trouble with my CoolBlades. Seems that
the left 'Blade is out of alignment. This means that when I'm standing
up straight, the wheels will be (looking from the back) rotated about 15
degrees counterclockwise. This makes fun things like stunts & jumps very
difficult. But it seems to help in straight skating.

I'd really like to get this fixed. I tried the store where I bought them
from, but no-one there had any idea what to do. I've also tried
RollerBlade, but they tell me to have the store I bought them from take
a look at them. Neither seems willing to do anything REAL. So I'm taking
it to the 'net.

Anybody know anything about re-aligning the boot with the wheel-carriage
(or whatever that piece is called)?

	MLD
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Helmets and axels
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:59:45 GMT

I've recently started trying to do axels and some doubles again
(after a 17 year layoff) and last Sunday I came extremely close
to cracking my head on the ice after falling on an axel.  I've
seen skaters wear knee and elbow pads, but I (with one exception)
have never seen a figure skater wearing a helmet.  Why not?  Many
roller bladers wear helmets and hitting your head on ice is just
as hard as hitting it on cement.  Further, a figure skater is
going to fall a lot more practicing jumps than an average blader
whos just out for an afternoon stroll.

After last Sundays near disaster, I've been thinking about wearing
a helmet while I practice the more dangerous jumps.  I like to
go into jumps really fast and jump as hard as I can, which would
seem to make a helmet a prudent thing to wear (at least until I
have the jump down).  Does anyone else out there have an opinion
on the subject?  Does anyone else out there already wear a helmet,
or will I be the only one?

Kevin Anderson
From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: Who's Doing What
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.172853.13685@bcrka451.bnr.ca> mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin) writes:

>In post-Olympic and post-Worlds interviews last season, he [Lloyd Eisler]
>did not come across as a very nice man.  This may be what they are trying
>to correct.

Despite the fact that Lloyd Eisler is a very consistent and powerful skater,
I've always thought that he could be more gentle with Isabelle Brasseur.
Dmitriev throws Michkutionok like she were a bouquet of roses; Eisler
throws Brasseur as though she were a sack of potatoes.

  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+
  | "Asps!!  Very dangerous. |               | My opinions are not those |
  |     ...You go first."    |  Sol Ezekiel  |      of my employer,      |
  |          -- Sallah       |               |    Space Systems/Loral    |
  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+
From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Who's Doing What
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:41:53 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs


Recently, someone posted a letter asking for interesting news about amateur
and professional figure skaters.  I got my issue of _Skating_ yesterday,
so here's a synopsis:

  1. Kristi Yamaguchi has turned pro.  Her first competition will be the
     DuraSoft World Pro Figure Skating Championships on December 12.

  2. The U.S. pair team of Carz and Denton have split.

  3. The Canadian pair team of Hough and Ladret have turned pro.  So has
     Canadian Men's Champion Michael Slipchuk.

  4. The Olympic Regional Development Authority will be starting an ice
     dance school at Lake Placid, NY.  Coaches will be Natalia Dubova (EUN)
     and David Owen (USA).  Among the skaters who will be moving there are
     Usova/Zhulin, Navka/Gezalean, and Nechaeva/Chesnichenko.

  5. Todd Eldredge and Jennifer Itoh will now train in Detroit with their
     coach, Richard Callaghan.

  6. Nicole Bobek will now train in Edmonton with her coach, Christy
     Kjarsgaard-Ness.

  7. Dorothy Hamill will be touring with Ice Capades this season.

  8. Urbanski and Marval are back together.  During their split, Urbanski
     was skating with Scott Kurttila and Marval with Natasha Kuchiki (who
     was herself pairless since Todd Sand paired up with Jenni Meno).
     Confused?  I sure am...

  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+
  | "Asps!!  Very dangerous. |               | My opinions are not those |
  |     ...You go first."    |  Sol Ezekiel  |      of my employer,      |
  |          -- Sallah       |               |    Space Systems/Loral    |
  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+
From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: RE: Plano I.I.S.A. National Championships
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:29:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu


<Greeetings from Plano, Texas, home of the 1992 IISA Middle Distance National
<Championships. The racing was fast and the competition literally World Class.

[stuff deleted]... very true, as I caught a glimpse at some of the races and
those folks were really flying.

<Despite a few minor problems (USAC/RS permit, none of the races started on time
<etc...) overall I believe the weekend was a big hit. Sunday night it was even
<Mentioned on the local news channel with a 5 second video of the lead four in 
<the 20K men's race.  

[more deleted] 

There was also a hockey tournament at the event, with many problems:

1.  The surface sucked.  Grooved concrete might be ok if your racing with
    the grain, but it's awful for trying to turn quickly, and tears up your
    wheels.  It would have been great to set up boards and play on that indoor
    court they did some of the racing on, but alas... :(

2.  One guy tried to run the whole thing.  I forget his name (David something),
    but he was the only person organizing, ref-ing, chasing errant balls (and
    there were lots, as we had only a 2 foot net surrounding the court, and
    most of us defensemen are used to clearing the ball/puck by dumping it
    waist-high along the boards...).  David also had a conflict of interest,
    as he PLAYED on one of the teams... as the organizer, he did not let the
    Wheels In Motion team into the tournament, and they're the best team in
    the Metroplex (they also beat Team Rollerblade in an exhibition, 6-1)...
    it was no surprise David's team (Dry Ice) won the competition.  Most of the
    Wheels In Motion players signed up and played on other teams, though.

3.  Only 5 teams showed up for a round-robin tournament... I figured we'd get
    a dozen or so and split it into 2 flights.  None of the hockey players
    were speed skating, so there was no conflict there.

Besides those things, of which only #1 really bothered me, the rest of the
National Championships were run really well.  There were lots of product reps
(Bauer, Kryptonics, etc..) there giving away tons of stuff.  I came away with
3 t-shirts, a new water bottle, some of that awful Pro Motion sport drink (it
tastes like high-octane TANG), and a new set of Kryptonic Rampage wheels.  All
in all I came out of it with about $95 in retail stuff.  I also found out about
a hockey team from Oklahoma City ( I had been playing with a team from Fort
Worth/MidCities since spring ), so now I have a team to play for while I'm at
school.

Marc Foster (who was glad he didn't waste $30 on OU-TX football tickets)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick)
Subject: Which wheels where?
Organization: The Visible Language Workshop
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:48:04 GMT


I don't think this is in the FAQ, but could someone please post what
size wheels will fit on which skates?  (Tony, maybe you
could add this to the FAQs?).

Thanks,

-- cmk
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Craig M. Kanarick			"Do I love you?  Yes I love you.
					 All this talking...talking...	
kanarick@media-lab.media.mit.edu	 is only bravado..."
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From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: Hazzard of skating
Keywords: xx
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:07:42 GMT

kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:

>jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk) writes:

>>Many times if you put a pad between your boot and the sore
>>spot it will help decrease the pain and swelling.

>and kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:

>>I found that if I placed a strip of mole-foam above the irritation on my heal,
>>I could skate without much discomfort....

>Is there a secrete(potatoe?) to getting the pads in your boot?  I tried putting
>a foam pad in the heel, but the fit is so tight that when I put to boot
>on the pad gets scrunched up a makes an even bigger iritation.

Actually, I stick the pad to my foot.  Above the problem, mind you.  The idea
is to move the boot away from the irritation by putting the foam next the
the irritation, and not on it.  In this way, the boot does not touch the
probem area as much.

However, if you stick mole foam above your heel, you will quickly realize that
it will not stick there for long.  The solution is to tape it there with duct
or athletic tape.

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Who's Doing What
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:13:05 GMT
Reply-To: gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


There is a pretty nifty Exhibition going on right around halloween for
those in the "greater Maynard area" ;-) ... Its at the Wallace Civic
Center in Fitchberg, Ma... The facility is better than your local ice
rink, but is also not a Boston Garden or even a Centrum.  One of the
skaters at my local rink will be solo-ing in this event, thus lots of
interest and information.  The show is being produced by JoJo Starbuck,
and the top names there will be Nancy K. & Paul W.  Others will include
Rosalyn Sumners, Jill Trenary, Kitty & Peter Carruthers, Annenko Sretenski
& Kovarikova Novotny, David Liu, Beth-Anne Duxbury (our local skater),
Urbanski & Marval, Mark Mitchell.  I have also heard that as word of this
show got around at least four additional pairs have asked and have been
added.  I must admit I did not follow things as closely as I have since
last January, but this looks like it could be the event of the year in
our small part of the world.  I also have heard that the shows are sold
out, or close to it... though I have no way to know if this is true. 
--
Marc S. Gibian			email: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com
Principal Software Engineer	phone: (508) 486-6598
Digital Equipment Corporation	fax:   (508) 486-6648  or (508) 486-6100
From: cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Which wheels where?
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:14:40 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, Spokane, WA


 adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:
>
>
>   up to 72.5mm:  Bauer, any model under XR/10, 
>                  Rollerblade, any model under Aeroblades.
>                  I'm not sure about Coolblades, since although they
>                  come with 72mm wheels, but I'd bet they can take
>                  76mm wheels (since they have the Aero chassis).
>                  Anyone know for sure?


I'm presently using running 77mm Kryptonics on my coolblades 
with room to spare. I think 80's will probably fit. 


Cecil
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: What is the address of Kryptonics and Hyper Wheels ???
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:07:32 GMT

In article <123880003@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> larrya@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Anderson) writes:
>[...] The rest of the story is that before we left, we axe-murdered her, then
>pistol-whipped her, drew and quartered her body, put the remains in a huge
>vat of acid, then cursed her to the third and fourth generation, all very
>politely, of course; with that, she reluctantly agreed to give us a small
>token, one iota of information, from which you may draw your own conclusion:
>
>Kevin Lee, Technical Support
>KRYPTONICS INC.
>740 So. Pierce Avenue
>Louisville, Colorado  80027
>(303)665-5353  FAX (303)665-1318
>Advanced Polyurethane Technology

I've asked about tours a couple of times....apparently, the process is not
well-suited to show civilians. Also, these firms are pretty proprietary about
their processes.

Anyhow, the main reason I posted is that Kevin Lee is a real winner. He's a
family guy, and is teaching his kids to skate. You could write him an irate
letter if you like, but realize that he's not in the manufacturing part of the
company at all.

The "visible" part of Kryptonics is their racers and races.

Speaking of non-sequitors, I've managed to see two very interesting plants in
this lifetime. The first was the cigarette plants in Durham, NC. The menthol
room is way cool. The second was the plant for the San Diego Union -- a big
newspaper plant. You haven't lived until you've seen a 3-story press do a
flying paste-off!

>BTW, if God hadn't meant for us to skate, our feet wouldn't be in pairs
>and fit so well into those little boots.  So there.   8-)

If God had meant us to skate, we'd have bolt-on mounts on the soles of our
feet.

--phil

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: stl@nic.cerf.net (Silicon Tech Labs)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: abrupt stopping of inlines
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:31:46 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

In article <Bvrs2q.D17@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>[About sliding the body on the road,] the main problem is
>that it looks horribly undignified. After a quick look to see who saw me make
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this ugly manuver, I dusted myself off and continued.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As a beginner, I've had so many occasions of this.  It's very humorous the way
you put it  8 )
--Jimmy Chan
  stl@cerf.net
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Good in-line skating slogans
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.231832.1@wharton.upenn.edu> baran04@wharton.upenn.edu (Dave Baran) writes:
   [much stuff]
>From:  Thomas A. Darling (darling@cellar.org)
>	When inlines are outlawed, only outlaws will inline.
>	They'll take my inlines when they pry them off my cold, dead feet.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

which reminds me of my thoughts on future skate technology, namely, that
soon olympic skaters will have titanium studs implanted on their feet,
much as is done today for artificial teeth in the jaw.  Ice blades or rollers
will then attach to these studs (much like the aforementioned teeth to
the aforementioned jaw).  In other words, this system will be the ultimate
in skate/foot contact.

Watch for this system in the '98 olympics.

Interestingly, note also that with some standardization of the mounting
system, you should be able to wear your teeth on your feet and your skates
in your mouth.

Ricardo
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