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From: Bad Boy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: BIG LIZARD as a "lap dog"?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 23:17:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct13.133531.1@alien.gici.com>, laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut) writes:
|> 
|> One of the pets I've always wanted to have was a lizard, but the lizards
|> I've seen in various pet stores tend to small things that are maybe six inches
|> or less in length.
|> 
|> This will likely sound either uninformed, amusing, or "you're off your
|> rocker!," but I guess the image I had drawn in my imagination was an animal
|> that was at least two feet long (not including the tail), which you could
|> even "pet," perhaps to the point of it being a type of "lap dog."

I would recommend trying to find a Tokay Gecko, say 18 inches from nose
to tail tip as this critter shouldn't be bothered by any other house-
roaming pets you may have.
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Raising food: What's the best choice?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:28:17 GMT


I have a Yellow Rat Snake and a California King Snake, and am getting tired
of going out to buy mice and drop them in the cage only to find they don't
feel like eating at the time (fortunately I have a friend with a Savannah
Monitor, but that's another story). Anyway, I was considering raising food
which I see the following advantages for:
a) cheaper. I live in a fraternity house, and grabbing food and newspaper
   bedding from the kitchen is cheaper than buying mice every week that
   get wasted.

b) if the snake doesn't feel like eating on a given week, I can pop the food
   back into it's original habitat, and it isn't wasted.

c) I don't have to guess how many mice the snake feels like eating; once things
   get going, I'd have quite a large supply.

btw, the problems aren't shedding or anything like that. The King snake shed
just over a week before I tried feeding her last, and she ate 3 mice the day
after shedding, and 1 more a few days later (leftover from the Rat :).

What I'd like to know is what you guys think would be the best food to raise.
I know mice are good, but they smell something awful. My mom has gerbils,
and they appear much cleaner to keep. Hamsters will prolly fight back
too much, but if I feed them at a younger age, they shouldn't be as strong.
Anyone with suggestions? (The Rat Snake, I've been told, can eat a rat
or two if pre-killed, but he's just getting over mouth rot, so I haven't
had a good chance to try yet).

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From: msgctr@calmasd.Prime.COM (Message Center)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Cage mate for a Boa?
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:29:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


Cute, real cute Birny, all that talk and you forgot to tell 
anyone that Pooh is a Ball Python...


:)



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From: maiolojj@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joshua J. Maiolo 1406233)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:27:15 GMT

This is only a test.  Sorry folks.
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From: stevep@wrq.com (Steve Poole)
Subject: Re: iguanas
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:16:18 GMT

In article <98388@bu.edu>, treefrog@bass.bu.edu (susan landsman) writes:
> 
> 
> Does anyone know what the "normal" color/growth rate of colombian iguanas is?
> I have one common iguana and one colombian; the latter is usually a much
> darker green than the former.  I've heard various tales tying color to health,
> which may be incorrect.  It seems to be eating well.

Color certainly does vary widely between iguanas from different regions.
When you say common iguana versus Colombian, what do you mean exactly?
Columbian farm bred iguanas are generally ig ig ig, as far as I know.  As
for diet, De Vosjoli states that it's possible that bright yellow vegetables
(whazzat, beta carotene?) may have an effect on color.  UV exposure, also.

Something I've observed is dramatic color variations in a single iguana based
on state of mind.  For example, Shep is normally quite a bright green.  If he's
spooked and runs off to hide somewhere then he'll often become extremely
dark -- even bordering on a dusty grayish color.  When he's all fired up
over the wild thing he becomes either a dull yellow or a bright yellow-green.
If he's that color then I know that I'm likely to bleed if I bother him!

So, it's possible that your ig is frightened, I suppose.  Does he have a hide
box?  I would assume, though, that since he's eating well that he is simply
a darker color than your other lizard.

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From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Subject: Re: can reptiles sneeze?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:23:44 GMT

In article <ead.718219648@orion> Eric De Mund <ead@cs.ucsb.edu> writes:
>dear rec.pets.herp,
>
>can reptiles sneeze? how about amphibians?
>
>ead <ead@cs.ucsb.edu>

My iguanas used to sneeze sometimes, and they'd get a crust of what 
looked like salt crystals around their nostrils.  I was told that 
this is the main way they get excess salt out of their system (but
I have no idea if that's true or not).

Holly
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Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
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From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: funny snake story
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:37:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.srh3.718655863
Organization: Mississippi State University


     I recently acquired a baby rat snake, and a full grown speckled king
snake.  I was away for a few days and they were not handled.  Last night
I was handling the rat snake  he is ~24" long.  My method of taming snakes 
like that is when they get defensive, let them strike at the flat of your 
palm or someplace they cannot get a good hold and soon they will realize
your "invunerability". (folks, don't try this with rattlers  *grin*)
Well, I was getting pretty good at judging the snakes distance and keeping
out of range when my roomate said "Let him bite you."  I was not worried
about the snake hurting me, but I knew I would reflexively jerk if he did
so I politely declined.  My roomate then proceeded to put his pointer 
finger right near the snakes nose and made the comment :"How much damage 
can a little guy like this do?"  Which was followed by a beautiful 
face on my roomates part when the rat snake showed him how much damage he 
could do.  When the snake dropped off, there were tiny pinpricks pf
blood on my roomie's hand.  **heh  heh**
     Now comes the funny part.  I then got out the kingsnake (about 3' long)
and was working with him in the same method.  My roomate alternated between
looking at me and his finger.  Then he got the snake behind the head
and said :"I know what I did wrong with the other one.  I let him strike.
The extra momentum was what gave him the power to break the skin.  I 
know better now.  He then proceeded to open the kingsnake's mouth and
INSERT HIS FINGER!!!!!   Then, after a few seconds, his eyes got big 
again as he said "He's putting pressure dowowowowowow!!"  Followed
by a view of the 3 foot long critter dangling from his finger.
The snake dropped back into his box and my roomate was blessed with another
row of tiny holes on his finger.

He's leaving all the animal taming to me now

Just thought I'd share
Steve

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From: bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu (Barry Ronald Breffle)
Subject: ForSale
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:04:43 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

         GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE


Due to the time and money constraints of college life,
I've decided to get out of the breeding business.
I have the following for sale:

One pair of heterozygous for patternless 
   Burmese pythons (m/f) ~12ft. long    $700
One pair of yearling red tail boas
   (m/f) about 3ft. long                $250
One pair of yearling double het. Burmese
   pythons (patternless,albino) 3ft.    $850
Burmese python hatchlins (hatched in May)
   captive bred:
            Greens                     4@$265
            Normal                     3@$80
2 green iguanas (2yrs. old)
            larger, tail intact          $70
            smaller, tail dropped        $45
2 2'x4'x20" cages w/sliding glass front
                                       2@$100
2 4'x4'x20" cages with glass door in
   corner on two sides                 2@$150
1 stanfield heating pads 1.5'x2'         $40
8 10 gallon aquariums                   8@$10
Python probe set                          $30



All of these prices listed are "high" end prices.  Please 
make offers on things that you are interested in.  I do
need to sell all of this stuff.
All of the snakes for sale are good voluntary eaters and
are captive breed and healthy.
Obviously I will need to hold on to the cages, heaters, etc.
until I sell some of the snakes, so if you are interested in
these items only, it may be awhile before they become available.
If you know anyone who is interested in these items,
please let them or me know about it.
Once again, don't hesitate to make me an offer.  Chances are I
won't turn it down.

Barry Breffle
bbreffle@icaen.uiowa.edu
(319)354-8625
407 Dakota Trail 
Iowa City, IA  52240
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: reptile breeding/raising
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:36:55 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

>1) How did you get into this?
>2) What in particular do you enjoy about reptiles?
I have been chasing lizards around ever since I was a kid.  I used to travel a
lot and would go west, catch a lizard and end up playing with it the whole
trip.  As I had kids it became kind of a macho thing to see if I still had it
to see if I could still catch them.  I remember one time holding on by one hand
over a canyon wall about 300 straight drop catching a lizard on the face of the
canyon wall.  (Pretty dumb)  Most of these were swifts, 5 lined dudes and
skinks.  I have found some horned toads in Nebraska.  And oodles of Anoles in
Florida and Hawaii.  I've raised a few Anoles with no success.  I had a couple
of desert iguanas for over 6 years.  (one died strange!  I used to feed them
carnations.  They loved to eat flowers.  ONe day I got some red ones from a
corner vendor and fed a flower to one of them.  The next day it was dead.  When
I examined the carnation I could tell it was a white carnation painted red! 
Bummer)  
        We always collected Frogs, snakes, turtles and salamanders being from
Illinois.  I only kept turtles and lizards.  The turtles were too messy and
then came Samenela (Sp?).  I was always intriguid by their manorisms.  The
Anoles did their territorial thing.  The desert Igs used to run around on their
back legs.  They were fast and awesome.  I had a few Anoles hatch, but they
died shortly thereafter.  It was hard to find food that small.  My present Ig
is awesome.  I don't have to catch any bugs and he appears very healthy.  (I
always worry about the winters here.  He doesn't seem to be 100% for about a
month or two).  I could tell you about my fly catching abilities or how my ig
broke his leg, but this is too winded already.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: srh3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steven R. Hollis)
Subject: feeding question
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:38:12 GMT

   My baby rat snake has refused to eat lately.  Any suggestions?
I have been trying to feed him small mice.  (Tom if yo're reading this
what did you do to get him to eat??)  My kingsnake has not ate well either
but he is getting ready to shed, so I think after he does he will go back 
to his old habits

thanks in advance
Steve

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From: stevet@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Steve Turner)
Subject: Re: Kingsnake comments, anyone?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:00:34 GMT

victore@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Victor M. Esquivel) writes:

>Anyways, how did that guy keep six kingsnakes in one cage?

They were all about the same size, and I suppose he kept them
well-fed.  Kingsnakes surely don't immediately eat each other
on contact; if this were true, how would they ever breed ???`

Although I've heard account of kingsnakes eating other snakes of
equal size.  I guess what I'm saying is "I don't know either" ;-)

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From: meh0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: feeding a caught milk
Reply-To: meh0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:20:14 GMT

I found a baby milk snake in the backyard.  Bout 5 inches long.

So I got some pinks and it wont eat.

It bites me sometimes, not aggresvly (sic), but like its looking
for somethng to chew on.

It shows no intrest in the pink, I once shoved it up to its
nose and it bit it, then let go.

Any suggestions???

By the way Im located in Rochester, NY.

I also already have a cal king.

JC
		
			MEH0570@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
			engineering student
			professional daydreamer
			aspiring mad sciencist
			and bad speller.
From: boisvert@yaya.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Iguana FAQ list ??????
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:09:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu

	Could someone please send me the iguana FAQ list (care, etc.) that I
have been hearing rumours about.  Also, if there is an FTP site, could I been
sent that address.  Thanks.

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Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
From: 8147bruckner@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: iguana faq
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:30:53 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 8147bruckner@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu


If anyone found the iquana FAQ, please e-mail it to me also

thank you.

Brian Bruckner 8147bruckner@vms.csd.mu.edu
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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: reptile breeding/raising
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:27:52 GMT

In article <98263@bu.edu> treefrog@bass.bu.edu (susan landsman) writes:
>-------------------------------------
>
>I'm writing an article (for the general public) on reptile breeding and 
>raising.  I'm looking for avid reptile enthusiasts who wouldn't mind taking
>a few minutes to answer a few questions for me, namely:
>1) How did you get into this?

I'd captured and kept some of the local snakes.  A neighbor gave me a 
bullsnake he'd caught, and she laid eggs a month later.  I hatched the 
eggs and raised some of the babies.  The next year, the same female mated
with another of my bullsnakes and produced eggs which I hatched.  This 
repeated twice more before I had to release the whole bunch.  By this time
I'd figured that it was easier to breed the things than it was to catch them.
8^)  When I was able to keep snakes again, it took me 5 years to figure out
what I'd been doing right with that first pair.

>2) What in particular do you enjoy about reptiles?

The colors, patterns, and the way they move.

>(Deleted)

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: can reptiles sneeze?
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:14:04 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <ead.718219648@orion>, ead@cs.ucsb.edu (Eric De Mund) writes:
>dear rec.pets.herp,
>
>can reptiles sneeze? how about amphibians?
>
>ead <ead@cs.ucsb.edu>
I've seen my Iguana and various other lizards that I've had do what appeared to
be sneezing.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: victore@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Victor M. Esquivel)
Subject: Re: Kingsnake comments, anyone?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:00:50 GMT

stevet@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Steve Turner) writes:

>> (He's hissed at me once -- I had handled my corn snake and then
>> handled the king.  He must've been jealous, but he didn't strike.)

>Your kingsnake wasn't jealous, he smelled the corn snake and it triggered
>his feeding response.  Since kingsnakes feed on other snakes and reptiles,
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

.... Other stuff deleted.....

Kingsnakes do feed on other snakes and reptiles. All snake owners and pet stores
that I know of, will keep every single kingsnake in a different cage.

I've never taken the chance of my kingsnake interacting with other pet snakes
in fear that my snake will eat the other snake(s) (my kingsnake eats like 
there is no tomorrow and it loves live food!).

Anyways, how did that guy keep six kingsnakes in one cage?
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Vitamin Supplements?
Date: 17 Oct 92 04:31:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Music, UCDavis


 Just wanted to mention; I took a baby milk snake to our local herp
vet who happens to be Dr. Frederic Frye (who has written a good # of
herp books; i hope i got his name right) and he told me that vitamin
and calcium supplements for snakes are basically useless, and if the
snake is fed a good diet (well-fed mice or wot have you) then vitamins
and calcium supp. are not needed...
 I suppose the original post was asking about lizards, which I gather DO
need supplements, but I just wanted to save some herpers out there the
$5+ those supplements often cost. 

How do the lizards "In The Wild" get their calcium etc, anyway?
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Smell of Savanahs vs iguanas
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:15:44 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

vegatable droppings are never as  nastly as "meat" droppings in any animal I've
seen.
From: pals@ipact.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Venomous lizards ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:08:13 CDT
Organization: IPACT, Valparaiso IN

In article <119310014@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM 
(Dave Ruska) writes:
> 
> The last thing he showed me in his collection was a trio of lizards that
> were  in  an  open  topped terrarium. They were black with yellow spots,
> with skin textured like little beads, and were about 10 inches long.   
> When  I  had  no  idea what type of lizards these were, the
> owner told me they were papered MEXICAN BEADED  LIZARDS  and  that  they
> were  extremely  rare.  He also said that they are one of two species of
> lizards that are VENOMOUS, the other being the Gila Monster. ...
> Has anyone else had the opportunity to meet up with a  Venomous  lizard?

As no experts on these species have stepped forward...
I've never met one except in a zoo, but I've read some about them.  Yes,
they are kind of attractive.  I think "extremely rare" might be a slight
exageration.  Although they generally look slow and clumsy, they
can twist their heads and bite swiftly, and hang on strongly.  The
venom injection system is much less efficient than in most venomous snakes.

> And do they they have anti-venom for these things!

I believe the term is "anti-venin" and I also believe the answer is yes.

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From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Tofu O.K. for Iguanas?
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:39:53 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

My Ig also likes Bach choi!  I agree, change his food all the time.  He will
actually ignore something if he's given the same thing all the time.
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 14:46:08 EST
From: <COP80208@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Lizard FAQ wanted (part 2)

I forgot to include my correct e-mail address in my last post. Sorry!
It's COP80208@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU
I don't know if using ucf1vm.bitnet will work or not, but I know the full
address does.
Thanks again,
Mike and Spot
From: laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: RE:  BIG LIZARDS!  Big turnout!
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:23:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: alien.1992Oct14.172354.1
Organization: Gull Island Consultants, Inc.


	I would like to thank everyone for their e-mail messages concerning
my question on BIG LIZARDS.  I'm sitting down now with everyone's responses
and will summarize them, and then post them to the net.

	Thanks again!

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Muskegon, MI  49440		>> "Usual disclaimers, apply within" <<
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 18:31:48 CDT
From: Ed Dowtort <U10119@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: cageless iguana??

i was curious if there was anything wrong with keeping an iguana in a room
w/o a cage/aquarium?  i don't know how old mine is, but it's about 5-6" plus
the tail.  and ever since i took it outside (in it's aquarium) one sunny
day, it has been running away pretty regularly. (~1/day).  each time i find
it sitting on the window sill.  i can fix the running away problem by getting
a better top for the aquarium, but i was wondering if it would be ok the give
the ig the freedom to roam the room.

if i set up a place for it by the window with the artificial turf, heat rock,
flood light and water/food/whatever,  is there any chance that it'll stick to
that area, or is it most likely to roam the room and try to hide behind some
furniture?

also, any tips on taming?  i've had it for over 3 weeks now, and it's still
scared like hell of me.  should it allways have a place to hide?  or should
i take it out?  for record, he's been eating fine since the first day.

it's my first iguana, so any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
ed d.
From: snowhawk@IASTATE.EDU (Mathew J Messer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: wanted and forsale
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: snowhawk@IASTATE.EDU (Mathew J Messer)
Organization: Iowa State University


 
Keywords:Phelsuma
Wanted: Leaf-Tailed Day Geckos  (Phelsuma serraticauda)
        Spotted Day Geckos  (Phelsuma guttata)
        Yellow Head Day Gecko  (Phelsuma klemmeri)

Forsale: 0.1 Lined Day Gecko  (Phelsuma lineata)         $20.00
         0.1 Peacock Day Gecko (Phelsuma quadriocellata) $20.00


CALL: Steven D. Bostwick or Mathew J. Messer
      at  (515) 296-5793  Ames,Ia