From: carroll@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Stereotyping
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:24:22 GMT

In article <11727@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
]In article <193135@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov>, pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
]] In article <11678@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
]] ] Look.  We all know that homsoexuals are severely damaged people.
]] ] You know it too.  That's why you engage in the continual efforts
]] ] to persuade yourself that you are really OK, and why you insist
]] ] on forcing other people to shut up about the subject.
]] 
]] No, Clayton, we don't "all know" that homosexuals are "severely damaged
]] people".  All you are proving is that *you* are a severely damaged person.
]] Get help, Clayton; you need psychological counselling badly.
]] 
]] Paul Bartholomew          |   "The time has come, the walrus said, to talk of
]
]I can see the conversation: "I know a group of people march in 
]parades where they wear the most outrageous outfits, things that 
]offend the vast majority of Americans.  They spend much of their 
]time complaining about the unfairness of a society that doesn't 
]approve of these outrageous displays that they put on in public.
]

Have you ever been to Philadelphia on New Years day?

]"They complain about our society stereotyping them as sadomasochists, 
]effeminate cross-dressers, and child molesters, in spite of the 
]gay parades in which groups like Dykes on Bikes participate, men 
]dress up in drag, men dress up in S&M attire, and groups such as 
]the North American Man-Boy Love Association are welcome.
]



]"They complain about our society stereotyping them as sex obssessed,
]but many of their discussions in a public forum revolve around 
]pornographic movie 'stars' and casual sex with strangers.
]

Have you ever picked up an issue of "Penthouse" or "Hustler"? Or tried
reading a straight newsgroup like alt.sex?

]"They insist that they don't support molestation, and yet a large
]fraction of the group will engage in semantic games to show that 
]adults having sex with kids as young as eight isn't 'molestation' 
]but 'love.'
]

Try reading alt.sex.stories. I'll bet that on any given day, you can
find at least half a dozen stories posted by straight people about
adult men have sex with pre-pubescent children.


]"They whine about AIDS, and yet, continue to justify the 
]promiscuous sexuality that caused AIDS to spread so rapidly through 
]their population, claiming that condoms will solve all problems.

The spread of AIDS among homosexuals is actually slower than the
spread of AIDS among heterosexuals. Straights are far less careful
about STDs than homosexuals.

]"In spite of massive public education efforts aimed at the general
]population, and this group, unsafe sex practices remain a major
]problem, even though the consequences are a painful and long
]drawn-out death.

Same goes for heterosexuals, only moreso, because straights are
convinced that "only homosexuals get AIDS".


]"Why do I perceive this group as being pretty screwed up?"

I don't know Clayton. Given that without _any_ effort, I can show
you heterosexuals every bit as perverse as the gays that you
waste so much time slandering, I don't know why you are so
determined to percieve them as being screwed up more than 
straight people. Except, that I suspect you're terribly afraid
of them.

	<MC>

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