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From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Modest Dress
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:08:58 GMT

In <1992Sep28.173539.28308@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA) writes:

>In article <1992Sep21.181121.26375@sarah.albany.edu>,
>ys3359@thor.albany.edu
>(Yazmasterj) writes...
>>In article <18SEP199216025603@utrcv1> ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
>writes:

>>>  The will of Allah is clearly written not only in the Holy Quran but it is
>>>also
>>>stated in the Holy Bible .
>>>  This is what Holy Quran says about it,
>>>  " And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze
>>>and guard
>>>their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and
>>>ornaments except
>>>what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils
>>>over
>>>their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands,
>>>their
>>>fathers, their husbands' fathers...etc."   from surah Alnoor 31th verse.
>>
>>So please explain to me where in this passage is there anything about
>>covering
>>yourself from head to toe.  Seems to me that there is only a general
>>command
>>to be modest which is subject to interpretation.

Here is another translation of the above Qur'anic passage.

Translation from "The Message of the Qur'an" by Muhammad Asad.
Surah An-Nur, 24:31

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and to be mindful of
their chastity, and not to display their charms [in public] beyond what
may [decently] be apparent thereof; hence, let them draw their
head-coverings over their bosoms. [...]"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Muhammad Asad's commentary (in part):

``The noun _khimar_ (of which _khamur_ is the plural) denotes the
head-covering customarily used by Arabian women before and after the
advent of Islam. "

The Qur'an _explicitly_ mentions these "head-coverings" with respect to
women.  Indeed, the Qur'an clearly _assumes_ that Muslim women would be
wearing these head-coverings, and thus the command to wear a
head-covering is implicit in the above Qur'anic ayat.

(Yusuf Ali's use of the word "veil" here for _khimar_ is too vague a
translation.)

How can women "draw their head-coverings over their bosoms" if they are
not wearing head-coverings?

This is the viewpoint of the majority of the scholars, to the best of my
knowledge.  (Muhammad Asad has a different argument, however - I will
give his footnotes to this verse in full at the end.)


 Fred Rice
 darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au   



Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: IRI Announces Autumn MoAfi Sale
Keywords: cheragh
Organization: Moafi of cheraghi kind
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:53:09 GMT

In article <lch7cvINNnng@spim.mti.sgi.com> cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com writes:
>
>		$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>	         beshtAbid!! beshtAbid!!
>		 (hurry-up!! hurry-up!!) 
>		$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
>IRI proudly announces its first autumn moAfi (exemption from draft)
>sale.  It's the season of falling, the season of shake-up, and the 
>season of shake-down!  So we are using this opportunity to offer 
>you our best moAfi prices ever.  Just look at these prices.
 
>Please take a moment to review these numbers and then call us at 
>1-900-SHAKE-IT ($50 initial charge, plus $5 per minute - courtesy 
>of IRI!).  Our operators are ready to take your orders now (please 
>be prepared to hold for at least 10 to 30 minutes :-) ).

>So what do you have to say to this offer?

Hi mashti!  Do they accept visa or master card?  How about shell or chevron
cards?

Regards,
Hooshyar


Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8469 sci.physics:15723
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian

Dear hamvatans and other fellow netters,

Recently I have spent most of my time on the net engaging in dead-end
arguments with people who I trust will not be changing very soon, 
so sorry for taking up all this bandwidth.

However, now I wanted to bring up two "useful" discussions:

1) I know it is already a few months old, but do you remember
Newsweek's special report in early August titled "Sea of Lies"?
This dealt with the shooting down of Iran Air flight 655 in 
August 1988. There were some alarming revelations in this report.
Has anyone heard anything new about this?  I was quite surprised that
such a shocking report would receive  virtually no attention on TV or the
other media.  Probably the most significant fact coming out of this 
report was that the USS Vincennes was in fact in Iranian waters, and 
the Airbus was in Iranian airspace at the time of the shootdown.  This
clearly constitutes an act of aggression at best and piracy at worst.
Are there grounds for legal suit by the families of the victims against
the US Navy/gov't?  I had a lot of theories/opinions/feelings about this 
incident ever since it happened, and I would be interested in any insight from
Ham-net-an-e gerami!

2) Remember Betty Mahmoudy, the now famous author of "Not without My
Daughter"?  Well, I was browsing through the bookstore the other day,
and I noticed her new book "For the Sake of a Child".  I started 
reading through it, and it was talking about the rest of her story,
her adjustment to America, other cases like hers, the making of her book/
movie, etc.  She said in it that she never expected this book to do so well,
and the French translation sold more copies than any book in the history of
the French language!  I view her ordeal as one of courage in the face
of fundamentalist madness, and her husband as a real jerk who is a disgrace
to his country and his religion.  At the same time, I think it is unfair
to associate this story with Iranians in general, and there was not enough
emphasis on this important point, be it from the book itself or from the
audience.  Any additional info/opinions/insights??  I appreciate it.

BA sepAs-e-farAvAn,


Agha Javad
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: One Public and one personal announcement
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:57:12 GMT
Organization: UB

Public :
	I like to know what you guys think about my poems. I know it sucks
but I like to know how bad they suck so I can work on them.  :-)

Personal :
	To that friend ( sorry I forgot your name ) who send me a poem to
translate :

	Our system files crashed and I had your mail in my temporary space
of ELM and I lost about 38 important mail messages, one of which was yours.
Please send me the poem again and I will translate it. 

Ramin 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: New copper mine in Iran
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:00:05 GMT
	<1992Oct5.001251.25960@netcom.com>
Organization: none



KayhAn HavAee, issue # 1000, states that a new copper mine has been
discovered in Eastern AzarbaijAn which is much larger than the
Sar-cheshmeh copper mine in KermAn. The Sar-cheshmeh mine was
considered to be a huge mine before the new discovery.
   
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Hazrateh Zainab as an experimental feezeezeest 
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Z = 666 ( Zainab's constant )
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:40:36 GMT

In article <5OCT199216135150@reg.triumf.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca  writes:
>
>>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'
>>                                     ^^^^
>
>Let's ask Seyyed.  He knows EVERYTHING. Hey, Seyyed,... 
>                                                   [ (c) Life cereal ]
>
>and here's a fun experiment for Seyyed joon exclusively.  Put a cup of
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^
>water in the microwave for a few minutes, open the door and drop a grain of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>sugar in it. *vicious laugh* Then read your Koran and try to explain the
>results.  Btw, have a first aid kit handy.:-)
>
>Good Luck,
>
>Hazrateh Zainab                                                                                                                             
hey, hazrateh zainab, i have a better idea. why doesn't seyyed jump in
the microwave himself and reads his koran while the oven is running.
this way he can tell you about the results when you both meet in 
jahannam.

hazrate ahreeman

p.s. don't worry i'll be there too.
p.p.s. we can also put a cup of warm water in there and see which one
boils first, seyyed or the water.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: What is MKO position on the Islands?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:17:16 GMT

ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:

>In article <BvIovp.92y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>[dialogue with the MKO deleted]

>> Iran has NEVER had a democracy.  Imagine if Iranains did not defend
>> this land because there were not democracy, justice, and freedom.
>> Then there would not be an IRAN.  The land of Iran is a sacred land
>> and defending it is no different than performing a religious duty.

>> Democracy, justice, freedom, and better living is an internal matter
>> that should be settled internally.  When IRAN is confronted with the 
>> enemy of IRAN (Saddam is a clear example) then

>>  ALL IRANIANS SHOULD BE UNITED IN DEFENDING THE LAND.

. . . 

>It is a damning indictment of the Iranian government that by breaking
>international laws (in the name of Iranian people) it is then forced
>to accept jurisdiction of these international bodies and pay heavy
>fines as has happened in the case of International Courts dealing with
>Iranian-American disputes following the hostage-taking of Americans in
>Iran.

>Let's put people before land.  Then call ourselves true patriots.

Which people?
Does Iranian mean anything without Iran?
How is what you are saying different than what QAAJAAR did to Iran?
According to what you say we should quickly submit any peice of land claimed
by others in order to make peace.  Imagine Iran without Azarbaijaan,
Baluchestaan, Turkaman sahraa and Kurdestaan.
I never said that we should go to war with different countries over land.
In this case Arab states are too weak to count for anyhting.  In fact this
is Americans that claim the Islands not the Arabs.
Should we submit to them to make peace?
What should we submit after Persian Gulf?
You just seem to be so peacefully submiting to the will of superpowers.

>-hossein

Ala
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: javAd Agha admonishes
Date: 3 Oct 1992 02:28:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Sep26.164617.29976@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>1) You object that I am so sure about everything. Well everything that I am
>   very sure about is from the fact I read it in Qur'an and think about it.
				                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

translation: "and interpret it to my own liking"  

which is often in complete contradiction with what far more educated, intelligent 
and knowledegable islamic experts think.  but thats besides the point.

>   I have a very strong reference such as Qur'an. 

hell, why use quran for the kind of hatred and terror that youve preached 
on sci over the past year.  just use any of the books by [blank]-supremacist 
groups (fill in the blank yourself).  i have yet to see you contribute positively
to this newsgroup or its charter.  other than hiding behind the bush and
jumping in, almost *leading* people to say less than complimentary things about you
and your personal version of islam, you have done squat.

>2) You implicitely accept that insulting the religious believes of more than
>   1 billion people needs some kind of punishment, but it shouldn't be death.
>   Well, it's just that we have our own law. We don't have to follow the
                        ^^^^    ^^^^
im sure everyone noticed the typos.  "we" instead of I, "our" instead of my.

>3) You keep saying that people are equal and there is no difference between 
>   them, one has not the right to enslave the other, ...
>   You are confused on this issue sir. People are equal from the point of view
>   of color of skin, race, language, ... not from the point of view of what 
>   they "perform" or even what they "believe" in. The last issue, that is 
>   their believes, is not of concern to people (i.e. we do not punish anyone
          ^^^^^^^^

not that im picky about spelling, but please learn how to spell
'belief'.  its embarassing to see 'believe' used incorrectly over and
over and over again by a hyper bache akhoond whos trying to shove his
'believes' down thousands of peoples throats.

(at this point a boiling, steaming seyed runs this and my previous articles
thru spell to try and find a spelling mistake for a comeback.  hes so
boringly predictable).

>   we believe in a precise law of God, while you have created an imperfect
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

funny how these 'precise' laws are interpreted so differently by so many
experts.  there is an enormous gap between what you portray islam to be
and todays implementations.

>
>Seyyed.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:8382 sci.physics:15560
From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,sci.physics
Subject: Re: In Memory of Professor Hesabi
Date: 28 Sep 1992 11:47 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.196
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Sep28.175833.20526@u.washington.edu>, payman@u.washington.edu writes...
> 
> 
>Professor Mahmoud Hesabi, father of modern physics 
>in Iran, passed away last week.  What follows is
>an article originally posted by me about a year
>ago when he was selected as Man of the Year in
>Science by the American Biographical Institute.
> 
>-Payman

Are you a physicist who has worked in Iran?  I would be very interested
in a first-hand account of what it is like to do the business of science
in a Fundamentalist country.  Perhaps you have something to say on the 
subject?

>5. Prediction of the existence of the fundamental particle
>   "Muon" and its properties.  This was verified in 1956 in
>   the US.

Are you suggesting that Hasebi has a claim to have predicted the muon - 
a second lepton?  The accepted history of the field, the way I understand
it, gives the discovery of the muon as a complete accident.  A 100 MeV-ish
particle was predicted by Yukawa to be the carrier of the residual strong 
force, but that was the pion.  The muon was found, and thought to be 
the strong force carrier - until the pion was finally found.

>"The salary of university professors is not enough for the
>most basic needs [hoghugh-e asAtid be andAzeh bokhor namir

No kidding.

Regards,

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
From: bashir@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Noushin Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Automated Clinton/Gore mail server
Keywords: Totally unrelated to Iranian Culture :(
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:10:28 GMT
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Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Modest Dress
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:31:58 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Oct2.010858.17581@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>Here is another translation of the above Qur'anic passage.
>
>Translation from "The Message of the Qur'an" by Muhammad Asad.
>Surah An-Nur, 24:31
>
>"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and to be mindful of
>their chastity, and not to display their charms [in public] beyond what
>may [decently] be apparent thereof; hence, let them draw their
>head-coverings over their bosoms. [...]"
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Muhammad Asad's commentary (in part):

[goes on to give part of the commentary]

>How can women "draw their head-coverings over their bosoms" if they are
>not wearing head-coverings?
>
>This is the viewpoint of the majority of the scholars, to the best of my
>knowledge.  (Muhammad Asad has a different argument, however - I will
>give his footnotes to this verse in full at the end.)

Muhammad Asad's full commentary goes on to indicate that the head covering
was accepted as part of the FASHION of the time.  The emphasis was towards
covering the chest area and not the head.  The head covering was taken as 
a given because most women of that time, as part of the fashions, wore
head coverings.  This is logical since they lived in a desert where the
sun beat down upon their head.  Therefore the head covering is not required
anymore than any other aspect of casual Arabian female clothing of the 6th
century.

Yasmin


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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:50:48 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <ld22tlINNrff@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>but seriously, here's another puzzler thats sure to keep our 
>physicists phizzing:
>
>there are three doors.  behind one of the doors is a prize. 
>
>you choose a door randomly, say door # 1.  (but dont open it).
>
>i open one of the other two doors, say door #2, and show you that 
>there is no prize behind it.
>
>at this point, i give you the choice of changing your mind
>and picking another door (#3), or staying with your original
>choice (#1).  
>
>question: should you change your mind (pick #3) or stick with your
>original choice (#1) ?
>
>oh yeah... why?
>
>hint: dump intuition, side with logic, and the answer
>shall, ahem, materialize!
>
>
>(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)

you pick #3, because the probability for the prize to be there
is %66 vs %33 for door #1.

behzad

p.s. okay, where is my prize?
From: farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Fuzzy Logic again
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:18:30 GMT
Organization: none



I found the following in comp.ai. Some might find it interesting.
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From: chu_c@IASTATE.EDU (Chao-Hsien Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.ai,sci.engr.control
Subject: Re: Fuzzy logic references wanted
Keywords: fuzzy logic references
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: chu_c@IASTATE.EDU (Chao-Hsien Chu)
Organization: Iowa State University

                  
I was on sabbatical leave from Iowa State to Univ. of Tsukuba, Japan
for a year. It was far surprised me that the development and use of
fuzzy set theory in Japan and other Asian countries such as Korea,
People Republic of China, Singpore etc. have been far ahead of other 
areas.  Almost every appliances  in Japan are fuzzy & Neural Control.
It is the time to form a group to promote this technology.  To
summarize the Second Int. Conference on Fuzzy and Neural Networks
held in Kushu, Japan on July, 1992:  There are 461 people from 21
countries participate the conference. The topic spread over fuzzy
sets and control, neural networks, Chaos, genetic algorithm, and 
hybrid of these technologies. Two sets of conference proceedings 
(1166 pages) can be ordered (if they have inventory) from:
Fuzzy Logic Systems Institute (FLSI), 820-1 Yokota, Lizuka,
Fukuoka 820, Japan (I don't know the price). Fax: 0948-24-3002
(Japan).
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Is it because he is Iranian? Opinions?
       
  - Farzin
            
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