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From: jleduc@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (JonPaul Leduc)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:21:31 GMT

>Of my 934 publications, only about 340 of them are gay.  Why is it, sugar,
>that my neighbors never shout "Christian!" or "poet!" or "computer mentor!"
>or "fighter for racial justice!"....or any of the half dozen other deviant 
>identities that I have established?   I have a sneaking suspicion that it
>is because even you want me to monitor how much I tell and to whom!  
>
>You make me angrier than my neighbors who shout "FAGGOT!  SISSY!  QUEER!  
>NIGGER-LOVER." 

Now I know you didn't hear a word I said.  All you were hearing was what
you had heard a thousand times, keep your mouth shut.  That was not what I
was saying.  What I was talking about is that a gay person should have some
kind of identity other than the fact they are gay.  

Let us use race as an example.  The black people on this campus are VERY
seperatist, but there are two distinct groups.  One of those groups that I
meet talk about what they are going to do with their life, and (their hopes
and dreams).  The other group will only tell you that they are black.

What I am saying is that if you want to talk about yourself, I see nothing
wrong with saying you are gay.  I see nothing wrong about talking about
your sexual excursions.  But that is not the total character of a person,
and predudice relies on creating stereotypes.

Here at northwestern we had something called sex at the rock.  What
happened was that we had several gay and lesbian people doing things that
they normally would do on a day to day basis.  The general message was that
there was more to define me than my sexual orientation.

I know you have a lot more experience than me, but please read things for
face value.  I an not an extremist, for that is being predujice in the
oposite direction.  I do not believe people who don't try to work with the
other side are going to solve anything.  They are just going to feed into
the hate.  And remember, straights can't understand what it is to be gay
just as whites can't understand what it is to be black.

I just don't think one trait should be the selling point of a person.

--Jean-Paul Leduc
From: yxm2564@hertz.njit.edu (Yosuke Mihara)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Will you read this??
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:16:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: yxm2564@hertz.njit.edu


Sorry to interrup you. Oh, you don't need to stop doing....go ahead...enjoy..
I would like you to spare time to read this. Thanx for your time.
I used to live in NYC, and I missed living there.
So I have decided to stay in the Big Apple instead of going home over December

break. If you know someone have a room or a nest available between Dec. 15 and
Jan. 15. Please e-mail me.  YXM2564@hertz.njit.edu

Also, if you are happened to be a NJIT student, please e-mail me and let me
know you are a member of *family*, :-)

                    
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: todd@toolz.uucp (Todd Merriman)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: Software Toolz, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:38:50 GMT

thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Thomas Okken) writes:
>There are certain abnormal behaviours among men,....

>I make no moral judgment.

You just did!

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:06:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.225117.29368@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.213157.10160@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>Articulate these special rights that homosexuals are asking
>>for, if you would.

>I don't have to. Whatever it is is is above and beyond the equal right
>which we all live by.

To the contrary.  If you're going to make sweeping
statements about special rights and expect that anybody
will consider anything you say to have any validity
whatsoever, you're going to have to list those "special
rights."  Until then we'll have to assume that you have no
idea what you're talking about and support Measure 2 simply
because you're a bigot.

In the meantime, let's all get together and list special
legal rights that heterosexuals enjoy.  I'll start:

1)  marriage
2)  freedom from employment discrimination based on
    sexual orientation
3)  freedom from housing discrimination based on
    sexual orientation
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: GAYS
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 


KM>I am a (straight, as far as I know, but always open-minded) guy.
KM>I am not a Neo Nazi.

KM>I don't think I have ever met a Neo Nazi, but I here they make good friends!

Yeah, if you're on their side...even then they might kill you.
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jmatthews@uswest.com
Subject: Re: Measure 9 voted down!
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:48:33 GMT

In article <Nov.4.01.22.15.1992.297@romulus.rutgers.edu>
japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ) writes:
>
>  What more need be said?
>					RJ
>
Unfortunately, a *lot* more needs to be said in Colorado:  Amendment 2 (banning
Gay rights) passed!
But i am very happy for/proud of those who fought the battle in Oregon! 
Congratulations!!  (maybe i'll be moving there soon...)

--jaye

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: hoyerr@ucs.orst.edu (Richard Hoyer)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov08.142206.7204@donau.et.tudelft.nl> thomas%knoware.ruu.nl@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Thomas Okken) writes:


Thomas-  I hope this fills some of the gaps in your knowledge about gays.  You
have a lot to learn.



>These days, when a man discovers that the idea of a relationship with a
>certain other man appeals to him...(stuff deleted)

If you were gay (or had even thought about how you became sexually aware) you
would know that homosexuality is not discovered.  It just happens.


>No wonder there are so many more gays than lesbians.

I don't know.  Here in Corvallis, OR, there seem to be a lot more Lesbians
than Gays!  :-)

>Any man who finds himself in an inner conflict because of unMale longings
>should ask himself "why?" until he finds the answer.

I was 11 years old when I first had sexual feelings toward men.  All my
questions were answered at that point.  It never was an inner conflict.
Never.  The conflict has always been external, between the way I AM, AM, AM,
AM (dammit, AM!) and society.  When the sexual feelings finally came along at
that age, it made sense that I had not ever liked playing rough with the boys,
but rather preferred to be with the girls (or alone, as it was most of the
time.  I never felt like a girl, and I didn't want to be labeled as one.)


>Remember: loving a man does not automatically mean you cannot love a woman.
>If you have trouble in relationships with one sex or the other, ask yourself
>why. Saying "I'm gay" does not answer the question, it is merely accepting
>your unwillingness to dig deeper.


Saying I'm gay _did_ answer the question.  From the very beginning I never
ever even _wanted_ to have sex with a woman.  There was nothing deeper about
it.

-Rich

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: gsmith@clio.uucp (Eugen W. Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Gay rights and the Colorado bigots
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.064022.3047@mercury.cair.du.edu>
elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:

>It has nothing to do with hate!!! As I told a user earlier in a
>letter, most straights seriously think that homosexuals are very
>paranoid.

Most white people may think blacks have a big chip on their shoulder.
Most men may think women are going on and on about nothing.  So what?
If homosexuals are paranoid, could it be becuase people are actually
out to get them, like to beat them up, and so forth?

Not to mention all the clueless straight jerkoffs like you who want to
spread lies about how homosexuals have some privilige you don't have.

>But if you say a thing you are instantly labeled as a gay basher who
>'hates' homosexuals and I frankly don't appreciate it.

If you don't appreciate it, stop bashing homosexuals.  Can it be that
hard?



-- 
   Eugen W. Schmidt/Der Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: cddukes@c00508-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu (PakRat's Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:35:56 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <1992Nov12.023307.25275@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> masterov@filter.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael Masterov) writes:
>Actually, there is a simple reason why homosexuals are untenable in the
>military and it is the same reason women in combat costitute a problem.
>
>For the sake of simplicity, we can categorize all armies into fanatic
>and non-fanatic types.  The fanatic types are almost exclusively composed
>of people who believe, at the gut level, that death in combat is a great
>thing for everyone.  They have no reservations about killing and no fear
>of death, for themselves or others.  A good example, historically, was
>the Spartan army.  I think we all agree that the US army does not qualify.

Excuse me, but could you give a reference to a recent conflict that required
this kind of mentality (Vietnam comes to my mind, but I also recall that
the military decided to gloss over homosexuals in the ranks at that time,
and the reasons for the problems probably has an entire newsgroup to it)
With the Persion Gulf mess, it seemed that an awful lot of the US dirty work
was keeping sand out of the machines, and not much time was spent in hand
to hand fighting.
What about the Air Force where fighter pilots already devlop deep bonds
with their co-pilots.  The Navy where a vast majority of folks aren't
too near any action.  (I would comment about the marines, but I honestly
don't know enough about them).  It seems that your argument has no
bearing there.

Of course noone likes my reason as to why homosexuals shouldn't be allowed
in the military...  They might start picking up some habits from the
straights.  (Do Navy shenanigans ring a bell?)
>
>Answer this honestly:  If you are in combat and your lover is wounded,
>do you leave him/her behind just because someone ordered you to?  Could
>you leaver your lover to die like that?  I know I could not.

If I ever make the mistake of joining the military, I intend not to make
the mistake of having my lover be someone that I would have a very good
idea that he/she is fighting at the same time.
Then again if *I* ever make the mistake of joining the military, you
know things have got to be pretty bad.

Chris "the PakRat" Dukes______________________________cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu
"Hal, open the pod bay doors."
"I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that."
"Hal, I have an axe."
"Dave, I control the decompression system."
PGP key available upon request
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:21:12 GMT

In article <2627@cronos.metaphor.com> lienhard@daydreamer.metaphor.com (Steve Lienhard) writes:
>Here here!! The fact that heterosexuals read this newsgroup is why
>I am more inclined to post to it rather than that OTHER newsgroup,
>alt.politics.homosexuality.

But they are two seperate news.groups for a reason.  One talks about 
the ALTernative lifestyle of HOMOSEXUALITY.  The other is about the
politics that govern that group.  And soc.motss talks about the social
aspects of homosexuality.  Alt.sex.motss talks about other things...
care to guess what?


Please, don't take this as a flame, it wasn't meant that way,
even if it does sound like it.

Aeleck                 /                  /  
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             Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 17:22:47 GMT

elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) divulges:
->
->I don't have to. Whatever it is is is above and beyond the equal right
->which we all live by.

Eric, I agree with you.  Any rights that would be beyond the rights that the
majority have would be incorrect, and should be voted down.  However,
exactly what rights are you talking about?  I have a list of rights that I
would like guarenteed to people who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual.  This
list includes the right to get legally married, the right to be the legal
guardian of a same-sex spouse after a debilitating accident or disease, the
right to apply for adoption and have a fair chance at having the special
opportunity to raise a child, the right to not have to live in fear of being
fired or evicted because of perceived sexual orientation, and the right to
serve in this country's military.  All of these are rights that the majority
of heterosexuals enjoy today.  At this point in time, as far as I know, all
of these are rights that are NOT granted to people of homosexual or bisexual
orientation.

Is this what you mean when you talk about "special rights"?  If so, it's not
the homosexuals you have to worry about, but those annoying heterosexuals
that have rights "above and beyond the equal right which we all live by."

JOhn.
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: GAYS
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:15:57 EST

In article <1992Nov02.101926.17887@donau.et.tudelft.nl> thomas@duteca2.et.tudelft.nl (Thomas Okken) writes:
>From article <31.1585.uupcb@synapse.org>, by steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) :
>> MB>  On the other hand, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how
>> MB>obnoxious it may be.  A right to a private opinion, and a private life,
>> ......MB>homophobes should be extended the same treatement?
>> 
>> NO!  That is like saying Neo Nazis (among others) have the right to
>> peddle their destructive drivel.  Gays (as a group) are not harming
>> anyone, they merely want to be treated normally...can you say
>> anything similar to the bigots? 

Do remmber that homosexuality is not confined to good people here. Need
I point out the reality thaqt Ernest Rohm and several of the top early
Nazi leaders were, in fact, homosexuals? The jury's still out on Hitler.
Anyway, my point is that just as there are good people and bad people, 
we, in a democracy, cannot restrict the rights of free speech and expres-
sion. 


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: Re: Lurking Heterosexuals
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:23:32 GMT

In article <BxJM2n.7Gy@access.digex.com> chevron@access.digex.com (chevron) writes:

>In article <1992Nov10.214057.6509@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>>Aeleck asks:
>>
>>> Some of you may remember me asking this before, but I never got an answer...
>>> Why do you read this .net, if you are heterosexual?
>>


>Pardon me for leaping in here rather unannounced as well, but . . .

Please do, I am...

>I agree with Gary.  I'm another lurking het reading this (and
>related) newsgroups because I am appalled by how homosexuals
>are being treated and discussed as somehow "less" than other
>so-called "normal" people, as recently demonstrated by the Colorado
>voting results.  I'm reading to educate myself and learn about
>other ideas and the people who express them.
>
>The more I know, the better prepared I am to exert what small
>influence _I_ can, where I can, to see that equality in both
>spirit and letter of the law is preserved.  And perhaps I can
>influence a few hearts along the way as well.
>
>I wish all of you who face these inequalities every day the
>luck and strength you need to see it through.  Don't give
>up.  The wheels turn slowly, but they do turn.  Colorado
>won't last forever.  I have faith in us as a species.
>
>Regards, 
>
>                                           --chevron--

Here, here!  Friend.  I think most of us sometimes have reactions
that are a bit hostile becuase most hetero's we run into in this
type of situation (on Gay BBS, near bars at night...) are usually
very anti-gay, and thier only existance seems to be to (try and) 
beat the shit outta us either physically or verbally using their
own "logic" and "religion".

You'll have to forgive us for being a bit wary...

Thank you, though for your support. Not only is it appreciated, but
it's much needed.  We need your help to change things too...

Jim Wylde


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.motss
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: re: Gay Friendly Employers
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:36:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.204901.2508@news.duc.auburn.edu> jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (J. S. Bibb) writes:
>
>I know that this seems out of line here, but desparate times call for almost
>anything!
>
>Does anyone out there know of Gay Friendly companies who might have the need
>for a MSME (Masters of Mechanical Engineering) in the fields of mechanism
>design, or vibrations & controls of mechanical systems??
>

Well, lesee here.

You go to Auburn University, right?  

I'd try some of the NASA facilities like Lewis, or Ames.
Also, Argonne National Labs "Advanced Photon Source"
is hiring too.

ANL is real good towards us.  Not only do I get some
really great health and vacation and retirement 
benifits, but I have full recognition of my husband
for health and stuff too (If I ever find one... sigh)

You can send a resume to:

Argonne National Laboratory
Advanced Photon Source
9700 S. Cass Ave
Building 360 A-216
Argonne Il
60439

As per any government process, they are a bit slow...
I'd send one in last month if I were you... (ie asap)

Hope I could help!  Good luck!

(ps a job here is DEFINATELY much more fun and 
interesting than being in the real world....)

Jim

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.motss
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (J. S. Bibb)
Subject: Gay Friendly Employers
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:49:01 GMT


I know that this seems out of line here, but desparate times call for almost
anything!

Does anyone out there know of Gay Friendly companies who might have the need
for a MSME (Masters of Mechanical Engineering) in the fields of mechanism
design, or vibrations & controls of mechanical systems??

BTW- I graduate in December w/ 3.93/4.0 GPA....

It is hard to find any jobs these days.....all of the job postings on this 
news net are for CS or EE majors :-(


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HELP!
From: hoyerr@ucs.orst.edu (Richard Hoyer)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:35:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU

In article <1992Nov5.205708.28426@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
>
> And if you believe they should, then heterosexuals should also
>have special legislation passed to protect them from discrimination by
>homosexual employers..

When a law is passed protecting people from discrimination based on *sexual
orientation*,  Heterosexuality is included!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stupid Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-Rich Hoyer
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Thomas Okken)
Subject: Re: Want to meet a gay person
Originator: thomas@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 15:51:21 GMT

From article <1992Nov05.153429.24034@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu>, by eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp):
> Maybe het women feel more secure around gay men- because gay men won't rape a 
> woman- unlike a good deal of assinine het men.
> 
> Ethan Knipp
> eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu

Talk about prejudice! How do you suppose I (a well-adjusted bi man) feel
when I smile at a woman, and her untl-then-friendly expression turns
into one of distrust or even outright loathing? If you keep claiming men are
rapists, how do you expect men to get *friendly* sex anymore?
Sure, there are men who would force themselves onto women. There are also
men who kill. Do not judge all men who *like* women by those maladjusted
problem cases, please!

 - Thomas (thomas%knoware.ruu.nl@accucx.cc.ruu.nl)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual