From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: INDIAN CULTURE - Subservient
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:21:05 GMT

(rakesh.r.patel) writes:

>It's that socialist attitude that the problem. Everyone expects the 
>government to be their mother. If you want to draw any conclusions, draw
>this one, the reason for the success of some of the Asian countries, is
>the fact that they aren't the bureaucract jungle India is.
>Jesus, you need 10 permits from 10 paper pushers just to go to the bathroom.
>India's only hope is to promote a vigorous private sector. Bigger government
>is a death trap. I don't sound too Republican, do I? :)

I don't really care what you sound like.  I am more interested in what you 
actually say.  If the socialist attitude of holding open examinations for
public sector jobs is a problem what do you call the well-known phenomenon 
of universities in this country not even looking at resumes not from Stanford, 
CMU, or MIT.  What do you call the fact that someone from Iowa, no matter 
that his IQ is actually better than Einstein's, has his resume tossed in 
the garbage without a second look.  That is what I meant by being in the 
right place at the right time.

>Why are you assuming that since the departure of the ~1 million Indians to
>the US, India is hopelessly lost. 

Isn't it?  Lost that is.  Isn't that the drift of all the free-enterprisers 
with their pie-in-the-sky schemes to make India realise its true potential 
if only...

>How many of those people in the US 
>represent irreplaceable talent? How many qualified people in India, can't
>find a job because there are no joba available?? It is the height of 
>arrogance to presume that they are irreplaceable. They are indeed may
>qualified and talented people in India, even if they are not from IIT :)

It is equally arrogant to assume that all of us in this country are impotent
fools who can never help achieve what most other Asian countries have.  The 
number of jobs in India is not a pre-ordained constant like the speed of light.
It can be increased, enabling those who couldn't get jobs earlier to get them 
now.  There is also no ceiling on the amount of talent that India can use.  
Its not like we are bursting at the seams with  talent.  You have perhaps 
heard of NRI parks and so forth.

>I never said that. I think you are giving the million that left too much
>credit as to how important they are to India's development. India's problems
>are much more serious than a million people leaving. It is that socialist
>cesspool that likes to call itself the largest democracy in the world.

That was really very helpful.  And making statements like that is the
most anybody can expect someone who had the good sense to leave to do
for India.

>Do you think every Indian or Asian in the US is a member of the 
>intelligentsia?  Hardly. I think you better take a good look around, off that
>campus and see what most Asians do? A higher percentage of them are in the
>hard sciences and professional jobs, but by no means a majority of them.

And what contribution are they making to rejuvenating Indian culture?
May I remind you once again that we, Prof Parikh and I, were talking
about Indians contributing to improving Indian minds not Indian pocketbooks.

Sanjoy Ghosh
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