HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeffk@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jeff Kopmanis)
Subject: [Q] Minicom Development; mail/news setup
Summary: Who is doing Minicom development; need info/help on mail/news
         setup to do mail/news locally.
Keywords: linux, 386bsd, minicom, mail, news, uucp
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:40:08 GMT

I have 2 quicky questions that don't need to be answered on the net unless
you feel the answers are of value.

1) I'm mostly happy with minicom, but have some ideas for improvement.  Is
anyone working on this thing, or can I pick up the ball from here?  I want
to work on the thing, but don't feel like re-inventing the wheel that
someone else is busy working on.

2) I'd like to start doing mail and news locally under Linux.  I have a
2400 baud modem.  Is there an FAQ file somewhere on this topic, or is
someone willing to talk with me about it?

Thanks.

PS:  Thanks, Linus...I'm thoroughly enjoying Linux.  I'm glad I made the
jump over from DOS.  It was worth re-formatting my disk after some initial
goofups.  Keep up the fine work!

-Jeff.  :)

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From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: SCSI problem booting .99
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:59:56 GMT

In article <1ijff2INN8hf@sven.uni-paderborn.de> lars@sven.uni-paderborn.de (Lars Heinemann) writes:
>In <rsvagera.1@tuwien.ac.at> rsvagera@tuwien.ac.at (Robert Svagera) writes:
>
>->I am using an Adaptec 1542b with 2 harddisks (ID 0,1) and a CD-ROM
>->drive (ID 3, SCSI I device). Installing Linux SLS .99 on /dev/sdb3
>->works perfectly. Booting with the new built Bootdisk hangs after
>->recognizing the SCSI-drives. (HD-controller led still on)
>->.98pl5 is working with the same setup!
>->Any Adaptec owner using .99 successfully?
>->Robert
>
>I have the same problem with my streamer (TEAC3600) (and 2 harddisks, A1542b)
>Could someone help?

	I found a bug in the scsi code that may be responsible for these
problems.  The patch is pretty simple, and I have enclosed it.

-Eric

*** scsi.c.~3~	Tue Jan  5 14:54:46 1993
--- scsi.c	Thu Jan  7 20:53:49 1993
***************
*** 427,434 ****
    if (req) {
      memcpy(&SCpnt->request, req, sizeof(struct request));
      req->dev = -1;
!   } else
      SCpnt->request.dev = 0xffff; /* Busy, but no request */
  
    SCpnt->use_sg = 0;  /* Reset the scatter-gather flag */
    return SCpnt;
--- 427,436 ----
    if (req) {
      memcpy(&SCpnt->request, req, sizeof(struct request));
      req->dev = -1;
!   } else {
      SCpnt->request.dev = 0xffff; /* Busy, but no request */
+     SCpnt->request.waiting = NULL;  /* And no one is waiting for the device either */
+   };
  
    SCpnt->use_sg = 0;  /* Reset the scatter-gather flag */
    return SCpnt;
***************
*** 491,496 ****
--- 493,499 ----
  	  *reqp = req->next;
  	} else {
  	  SCpnt->request.dev = 0xffff; /* Busy */
+ 	  SCpnt->request.waiting = NULL;  /* And no one is waiting for this to complete */
  	};
  	sti();
  	break;
-- 
Eric Youngdale
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Q: Is there NIS (yellow pages) for linux ?
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:30:20 GMT

Gerhard R. Kircher (kircher@gandalf) wrote:
: Hello,
: 
: does anyone know about a port of NIS (yellow pages) for linux?
: At least a NIS client (ypbind) would suffice.

I don't know of one, but someone from sun said that all the apropriate 
x files should be on any machine they ship.

Anyone understand XDR?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: spierce@wam.umd.edu (Stephen Pierce)
Subject: Re: Linux (0.98 SLS) does not recogonize 20 Meg Memory Config.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:58:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.004334.29212@serval.net.wsu.edu> hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:
>
>There are two versions of kernel, one for <= 16 MB, the other for > 16 MB.
>Which one are you using? You may have to recompile the kernel to use
>memory above 16MB.

  Why is this? What is the technical reason for the two versions? Different
method of accessing memory above 16? Can one run the >16MB with _less_
than 16MB in the system?

Steve

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: huang@eagle.sangamon.edu (Zheng Huang)
Subject: Does Linux X work on ATI wonder XL/512?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:16:56 GMT



Hi,
I posted this question last week, but our system was down for a week since I 
posted, so probably I lost all the mails. Could anyone if you replied me during
last week send me your solution to my problem again. I really appreciate your
help, and I am sorry for the troubles.

I have a 386DX-33 with ATI wonder XL/512 graphic card. I set up the Xconfig 
file but I couldn't get X up, just the blank screen. By the way, I don't known
whether I need to set the clock for my graphic card with different set of number
or not.

Thanks in advance, any help will be greatly appreciated.

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From: cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("St.John-Olcaytoe", Electrical Engineering)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: LILO/SVGA TEXT MODES
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:09:02 GMT
Reply-To: cnas30@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

Hi All,

I recently installed LILO on my 486 Linux box.  It works pretty well except
that when I choose to boot LINUX, it throws me into on of the SVGA modes.
This is as if I had pressed RETURN instead of space and selected one of these
modes.  I have included the -d option for the lilo command with an argument
of 7 i.e. according to the doc. 7/10 seconds to wait after keyboard
initialisation.  Should I boost this number or is there something more
sinister going on...

Thanks in advance,

Ender
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From: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (Sang Y. Yum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SCSI with .98pl4
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:20:20 GMT
Reply-To: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Teradata/NCR


Hi, I've been trying to install SLS at .98pl4 on my Fujitsu SCSI drive.
When Linux boots up off the a1 floopy disk, it does not detect any SCSI
devices, thus making my SCSI driver un-accessible.

Yes, I realize that device name for SCSI drive is /dev/sd* but I can't
even get to that point.

Thanks for any information.

Sang


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore)
Subject: Need help setting up getty
Summary: Is this even possible
Keywords: getty serial
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:12:44 GMT

The university that I attend has an on campus serial network which I am
trying to connect to my Linux system in my dorm room.  Here's the useful
information.  Upon receipt of an incoming connection, CD drops
momentarily.  This seems to be the problem in getting getty to accept
incoming sessions.  Any ideas?  Here's my machine:

386DX/40 256K cache
4 meg memory
125 meg IDE hard drive
One of those new fangled cheap IDE/2S/1P/1G cards.  Ports are on normal
ints and at normal locations.  If anyone thinks that they can help, I'll
send all of the specifics you would like.

I would like to thank everyone on this group, you have been an
inspiration.  Thanks one and all.

Sincerly,
David Willmore

willmore@iastate.edu
Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:23073 comp.std.c:3330
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.std.c
Subject: Re: Library 4.1 bug/feature?  fopen("fifo","a") fails
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:53:23 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

[note crossposting to comp.std.c]

In article <1993Jan7.104939.10424@serval.net.wsu.edu> hlu@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:
>In article <1igs2mINNdpp@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de writes:

[concerning the libc library 4.1 for Linux]

>>Is it a bug or a feature that fopen("fifo","a"), where "fifo" is a named
>>pipe, fails with an 'illegal lseek' in the 4.1 version of the library?
>>The opinion on comp.std.unix seems to be that there should be no
>>problem...
>
>That is a feature of stdio/kernel. I was told that according to ANSI
>standard, fopen ("foo", "a") should do a lseek () to the end after
>calling open (). But linux kernel refuses to any lseek () on
>non-regular files. The fixes are
>
>1. Change stdio such that ignore error from lseek (). I don't
>   like this one.
>2. Change kernel such that if a file can not lseek (), just return
>   without error.
>3. Change kernel such that if a file can not lseek (), just return
>   with a special error which can be recognized by stdio that a
>   lseek is requested on a non-suported file.
>4. Change your source code to use fopen ("foo", "w").

[rest deleted]

From my understanding of the ANSI C standard, the main thing is not to
overwrite anything in a file opened with mode "a".  It should be legal
to implement the stdio library in such a way that, when opening a fifo
in "a" mode, no lseek() call is made.  A later fseek() - call to a
stream opened for append should be ignored, anyway.

Anything wrong with the suggestion above?
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon)
Subject: Seyon 1.7
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:37:37 GMT

I've just got Seyon-1.7 on my PC and when I installed it, I was
surprised that the tar placed it in a directory branching off directly
from the root!  Isn't this highly unusual place to install software
packages?  Many of us actually reserved only a small partition for root
and the last things I want to see is getting app packages in there!  Is
it OK to move that seyon directory under /usr, or somewhere else before
I compile the whole thing?

BTW, the minimal install instructions mention something about running a
'Configure' first. That should generate the necessary config.h header
file.  What is this Configure?  The only one I found was a script
somewhere in the linux src directory, but that had nothing to do with
Seyon.  So this sounds Chinese to me right off the bat! ;-)

Can anybody enlighten me about this?

.... and I thought linux was "stingy" with documentation! ;-)

Thanks,
Joe Pannon
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho)
Subject: Re: CMOS getting mangled ?
Organization: NullNet r.y.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:12:20 GMT

acook@athena.mit.edu (Andrew R Cook) writes:
>I've been running SLS v.98pl5 for a while, and (almost) everything is
>peachy-keen, except for the fact that Linux has the annoying habbit of
>thrashing my CMOS for time to time.  It seems like every other time the
>time and date get fried, and occasionally the disk info is lost.  Very
>strange.  I've never had this problem running any dos stuff.  It looks
>like the clock is just reset, it comes up jan 1, 1980.  
>
I had some similar problems but they seem to be gone since I upgraded my
kernel to 0.99. Expect a number of dead binaries, though.

..Wolf
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hank@informatik.uni-essen.de (Hendrik G. Seliger)
Subject: Re: mail over smtp
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:49:41 GMT
Organization: Uni-Essen
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Ona additional note: to RECEIVE mail, aou have to put something like
	smail -bd -q1h
into your rc.local file. This make smail listen for someone drumming SMTP.

Hank.
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: libc.so.4.2 Caveats!
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:52:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan6.005211.24367
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <C0D5u4.A0I@shrdlu.kwnet.on.ca>, gdm@shrdlu.kwnet.on.ca (Giles D Malet) writes:
|> In article <MNL.93Jan2002919@mnlsun.dtro.e-technik.th-darmstadt.de>
|> 	mnl@dtro.e-technik.th-darmstadt.de (Michael N. Lipp) writes:
|> >
|> >2) sed doesn't work any more. I have recompiled it using FSF sed-1.13.tar.Z.
|> >   Strange enough, although I removed the sed-local regex.o getop.o and
|> >   getopt1.o (thus using the functions in libc.so.4.2) and compiled with
|> >   -O2, my new sed is about twice as large as the old one. Was it not
|> >   FSF sed-1.13 in the SLS distribution?
|> 
|> You have already been told how to reduce the program size (-N).
|> 
|> I grabbed the SLS sed a couple of weeks ago and found problems
|> with it.  It is (was) version 1.09, and the problems turned out to be
|> in libc.so.4.2.  If you look in <regex.h> you will see a flag called
|> RE_NO_BK_PARENS, and it appears the state of this flag has been toggled
|> between 4.1 and 4.2.  This causes sed to fail, as a `group' is now
|> defined by (...) rather than \(...\).
|> 
|> H.J.Lu appears to indicate this is a change in the original library, not
|> just the Linux version. Somewhat stupid, that. Now you have to compile
|> sed (and I presume other programs too) with their included regex code.
|> 

The regex in sed 1.13 is the same one, GNU regex 0.11, in libc 4.2.

|> So what are libraries for, anyway ?
|> 

Get sed 1.13 and use C library.

|> -- 
|> Giles D Malet                                             gdm@shrdlu.kwnet.on.ca
|> Waterloo, Ont, Canada       +1 519 725 5726       gdmalet@descartes.uwaterloo.ca

H.J.
From: steve@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Steve M. Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: UUGETTY & Lock files...
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:14:01 GMT
Organization: Chiral Symmetry Breaking, Inc.

In article <1993Jan3.061828.27179@exucom.com> kjv@exucom.com (Karl J. Vesterling) writes:
>
>	Where do I obtain a version of uugetty which functions, or at
>least has the documentation?  Here are the problems I am experiencing:

>	o No documentation about /etc/default/uugetty.ttys[1-9]  Nice
>	  script, pretty good idea, but lacks information on how to go
>	  about it.  You need this stuff when you're dealing with a
>	  modem that has the ROM's in it programmed by a manufacturer
>	  who hires programmers that program in "DWIM - Do What I Mean"

I have getty manpages that *DO* go through all the options of the default
files, including a description of the send/expect format for chat strings.

They are included in all the versions of the gettyps archive that I have
uploaded.

>	o Why does the manual page for uugetty say that there is a -r
>	  option when uugetty says that it not an option?

Bug.  (In the *original* author's code, I might add)
I fixed it in the latest version, but the fix is trivial: add the two
characters 'r:' into the getopt() argument in main.c's main() routine.


-- 
Steve Robbins  --  steve@nyongwa.cam.org
All generalizations are false.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Subject: Re: 386 BSD
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:52:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.085905.25749@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lukka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tuomas J Lukka) writes:
>In article <C0F8L6.AB4@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Jeff-Randall@uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall) writes:
>
>BUT there are bad sides to it, too: the distributions are much rarer,
>we're waiting for the next one which  was hinted to arrive sometime
>in march or so. In Linux, you get a new kernel with lots of bug
>fixes every couple of weeks.

Some consider this good, some bad.

>
>One good thing about 386BSD: it's newsgroup has a LOT less FAQ's asked.
>

Is this good or not?  This implies to me that a lot more people are
learning about Unix in the Linux community where as 386BSD folk are
perhaps made up of mainly Unix gurus.  I personally prefer the former.

>Maybe we should make a file that makes an UNBIASED comparation between
>the two as a FAQ... anyone ready to work with me?

I don't think this is possible and would be counter productive.
Consider my responses to your "unbiased" comparison above and below.  If
it were truely unbiased, it would just contain facts about Linux and
then facts about 386BSD and letting the readser decide.  You can 
allready get this by reading the Linux FAQ and the 386BSD FAQ.

>>Not to start a flame war, but does 386BSD now have shared libs as well?
>
>No, not yet. They're in the works, by a mailing list on ref.tfs.com,
>386bsd-sharedlibs. The implementation is going to be rather high-tech
>(non-kludged). The current linux shared libraries do their job but

Non-kludged?  I doubt that those on the GCC channel would agree with
your implication about the *working* linux shared library implementation.
(is this another non-biased point?)  BTW:  I don't think that everyone
would agree that PIC is particularly "high-tech."  Regardless, there
are people working on PIC for Linux right now and I would not be
suprised if Linux had PIC before the next release of 386BSD. (I would
personally find that rather humorous) 

>NOTE:
> I'm not trying to start a flame war, however, I think that an
> unbiased mutual FAQ would serve everyone well. The current
> comments about 386BSD in the Linux FAQ are rather dated
> (saying for example, that only vanilla vga is supported by
>  it's X etc. Linux and 386BSD both use XFree!)

The solution to this is to fix the FAQs. 

> Myself, I used 386BSD until christmas, and at christmas
> changed to Linux. But when 386BSD 0.2 comes out,
> I might swap again, who knows. No fanatic feelings.
>
>	TJL

Have fun.  

- Rob
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wonge@shnext34.ucslabs.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: how do I mount the a2 disk for SLS.
Reply-To: jeffreyj@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:51:27 GMT

In article <1idp1oINNsgm@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu>  
jeffreyj@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey John Martin) writes:
>      The instructions I have say to boot off the a1 and mount the a2.	
> how do that??  When I boot the a1 it says to type more /user/README
> When I do that I get "more command not found"  I'm lost.
>                             Thanks, Jeff jeffreyj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

   Well, all you do is do what you did to the a1 disk.  You rawrite
the a1 file (bootimage) to the floppy.  You also rawrite the a2 disk
(the root image) to floppy as well.   

   You don't mount the second floppy.  

   
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                               |  It is with failing, that one learns,
                               |  So by Learning, one must fail." - Edmund  
Wong
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: py4@dspy42. (JP McNeely)
Subject: Re: Seeking info on ANDF...
Reply-To: py4@dspy42.
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:09:49 GMT

In article Gwr@Novell.COM, bsparks@npd.Novell.COM (Bryan Sparks) writes:
>
>As the subject indicates I am looking for references for ANDF and similiar  
>such specifications.  Any guidance would be appreciated.
>
>--
>Bryan Sparks
>Novell, Inc.    Phone: 801-429-3853
>Internet: bsparks@npd.Novell.COM  (NeXTMail OK)


You can contact OSF at (617) 621-7300 and ask for literature.


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From: bsparks@npd.Novell.COM (Bryan Sparks)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach,comp.lang.c
Subject: Seeking info on ANDF...
Keywords: ANDF
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:55:02 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.


As the subject indicates I am looking for references for ANDF and similiar  
such specifications.  Any guidance would be appreciated.

--
Bryan Sparks
Novell, Inc.    Phone: 801-429-3853
Internet: bsparks@npd.Novell.COM  (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Ascii Versions of Mach Papers?
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:24:55 GMT

feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>I recently ftp'd to cmu to get info about mach and found that
>practically everything there is in postscript format. Is there a
>source of Ascii versions of these papers that I can ftp and examine on
>my monitor instead of printing them?
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
> 
>                        Happy Holidays to ALL!!!


Since you mentioned it, what is the address of the CMU site? Do you know in
what directory those postscript Mach papers are? Thanks in advance...

Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
From: edwardj@microsoft.com (Edward Jung)
Subject: Re: Mach vs. NT? (and Chorus)
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:31:39 GMT
Organization: Strategy Division, Microsoft Corp.

Rodger Lea writes:

>Just for those who missed the smiley, this article begins and ends with
>a big :-) - Chorus and MicroSoft have never even heard of each other and

Hey, we've heard of Chorus. We've even talked!

--
Edward Jung, Software Architect     edwardj@microsoft.com
Advanced Systems, Microsoft Corp.