From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: libercommunism the new quick fix
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:05:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.213724.14695@genie.slhs.udel.edu>,
rich@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Rich Schwartzman) writes:

|>}As with many "Libertarians" Richard B. Schwartzman seems to be rather
|>selective
|>}in his condemnation.
|>
|>Guilty as charged.  I only condemn those things I think need to be
|>condemned.  The immature nature of the above cited personal attack 
|>is one of those things.
|>
|> He seems to regard the Kaldi post which implies that all
|>}Canadians have no right to post to the net as somehow being deserving of a
|>}respectfull response.
|>
|>There is not nor was there any such implication.  The Kaldis response to
|>the post from Canada was uncalled for and he was called on that by another
|>poster.  That crticism was done without sophomoric scatalogical innuendo.

Untrue. This is the position of Kaldis. He maintains that only US citizens are
fit to comment on US politics and has posted to this effect on a large number of
occasions.


|> Given that I have known many "Libertarians" who hold
|>}Kaldis type Xenophobic views this is not improbable. Certainly many of the
|>UK
|>}Libertarian faction of the Tory party supported South Africa over apartheid.
|>}
|>
|>Such assertions have been made in every one of Mr. Hallm-Baker's posts.
|>However, the only proof ever offered are more of his own assertions.

Since you never asked for it what do you expect?

Since you won't beleive any post from me the best thing to do is to contact the
persons directly:-


Send a letter to Pete Fleet c/o Southampton Itchen Conservative and Unionist
association, Southampton, Hants England. He is the conservative agent and will
be quite happy to tell you his views on the matter.

Alternatively you can contact the Monday Club at Orlando square. You should ask
for literature on Rhodesia and South Africa and their position on it. The
position of the Monday Club as a racist pressure group within the Tory part is
well established within the political literature, consult for example "The Tory
Party from Peel to Thatcher" by robert Blake (1984).

I have several internal documents from the Monday Club including a list of
candidates for election, this list contains several members who are members of
the Libertarian faction.


|>Now it is time for my questions to Phill Hallam-Baker:  Do you think any
|>individual or group of individuals has the right to initiate  an act of
|>force or fraud?  Yes or no?

Given that you intend to redefine the definition of force or fraud beyond those
which are commonly accepted within society an answer is not possible within you
terms of reference.

If you are willing to accept the commonly accepted definition of force and fraud
in the same manner as murder is defined, ie excepting acts sanctioned by society
such as execution or killings by policiemen or soldiers then I can answer in the
affirmative.

If you are unwilling to accept the above then I would appreciate your
condemnation of Bush's attack on Iraq which according to the New Right
Libertarian position constitutes an act of force. Alternatively you can try to
argue otherwise. 

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Phill Hallam-Baker
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