HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Subject: Re: funky pairings
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:33:02 GMT

In article <palane.721514387@pv7412.vincent.iastate.edu> palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:
>
>What would be interesting is to have a tournament with standard pairings
>up until the last round and match the contenders in each class against each
>other. Otherwise, you wind up circling each other's boards like vultures.
>

In class pairings do NOT work.  These were tried a while ago in my area
and things got messed up when 2 class C players played eachother in round 5.
One of them ended up with 4/5 which probably tied for second place if I
remember correctly.  The way to solve the problem of class prizes is to
get up and coming players to play in your tournaments!  Players who
can consistently upset players are the ones who deserve class prizes IMO.
That is why tournaments need to have lots of players...

-benoni
   

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: I0060301@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Klaus Blumberg)
Subject: F-S2 finished?
Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:50:42 GMT

have i missed the last game of the fischer - spassky match? the last
game i've had was game 28, a draw. so what's going on? have they
finished already, or are they having a break? pls don't don't let
me die stupid ... :-)
in case i missed the last game(s) can someone mail it (them)?
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Wanted: Fischer's Best Games, Annotated
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:19:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.6641


If you are interested in annotated versions of F's games I suggest
Kramer and Postma's *Das Schachphaenomen Robert Fischer* with the games
annotated by Ludwigh Rellstab.  (W. Ten Have Verlag: Amsterdam, 1966)
It has an excellent selection of games up to Havana '65.  The annotations
are short but mostly adequate and the german text gives good insight
into how F was perceived outside the USA.  The problem is that I've 
only seen a couple of copies of it in the USA and I have one of them!
  
John Tomas
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: IT'S OVER
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:34:42 GMT

Just checked David Fry's finger file.  Fischer has won game 30 to take
the match 10-5 against Spassky.  Fischer had Black in a King's Indian,
Saemisch Variation.  Spassky resigned after about 27 moves.  More details
from others to follow, I'm sure.


John

 

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: reynolds@physics.ucla.edu (Reynolds)
Subject: Games from recent ACM (was Re: Computer WM?)
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:14:12 GMT

In article <Bx9595.DML.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
>In article <Bx9227.A6G.1@cs.cmu.edu> pjj+@cs.cmu.edu (Peter Jansen) writes:
>
>   The 7th World Computer-Chess Championship will be held in
>   Madrid (Spain), November 23-27, 1992.
>
>[etc]
>
>Note that the latest issue of the CACM has complete games, some with
>commentary, from the recent ACM computer chess championship.
>
>Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu

Last year, someone posted the games from the ACM in Arizone.  Could 
someone be so kind again this year?  I found them extremely
interesting.

Anthony Reynolds
reynolds@physics.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: edd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ed.knowles)
Subject: Re: gaprindashvilli's strengt
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:42:17 GMT
Summary: Yeah, a knight isn't enough for us class As

In article <1992Nov12.120340.17373@husc3.harvard.edu>, fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes:
> In article <199211.4184.12671@dosgate> "gordon mazur" <gordon.mazur@canrem.com> writes:
> >All this is irrelevant though. I don't think Fischer could give N odds to
> >any one over 1900 then or now. I don't think he would lose every game, but
> >I'm sure he would lose every match.
> 
> This is a little crazy. I won't argue about 2300's versus Fischer
> minus knight, but 1900?? Either you're underestimating Fischer (or any
> GM), overestimating a knight, or overestimating what it is to be a
> 1900 player.  I'm a 1900-2000 player, I know Fischer would whip my butt
> easily without a knight.  
> 
> If you think about the games in which Fischer (and other GMs) easliy
> beat weak IMs with piece sacrifices early in the game (move 15-20,
> say), it would just be a matter of waiting for the 1900 to make some
> mistake giving Fischer equivalent compensating advantages for the
> piece.  Yes, if the weaker player were careful, he might avoid that,
> but I doubt very much if he could do it very long or very often.
> 
> David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
> Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
> Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
> Cambridge, MA  02138            

I have to agree that a knight probably won't do an A player any good
against a player of grandmaster strength. I happened to be in the
same room with the  three "Chow meisters" Illya Gurevich, Mark Ginsberg,
and Joel Benjamin. I was silly enough to challenge Mark's opinion that
the Cochrane gambit was not unsound. I took the black side (the side
that gets the knight) and proceeded to lose something like 31 games
in a row (the "chowmeisters" taking turns drubbing me). I still don't
quite believe in the Cochrane, but I have a lot better idea of what a
strong player is. My rating is now 1972 and peeked at 2095. They didn't
have much trouble with me...

					-Ed Knowles
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: ICS Rating vs USCF
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:29:07 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA


All this talk about ICS ratings has me wondering, I have never
been rated in USCF or any other federation, I have played 28 or
so games on ICS, against anyone who would play me.  I have
an ICS rating of 1420 or so, what would this translate into
in USCF rating scale, roughly?  If such a question can
be answered.  One problem I find on ICS, is players with a
higher rating, tend to avoid registred matches with me.

-Roger
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bix: ruzun
NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:52:35 -0500 
From: John Anthony Chanak <jc79@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject: Valkyries ICS

Will be down periodically over the next day or so.  Valkyries is being
used to demonstrate some network management soft/hardware, and, for this
reason, is on a network that is not nearly as efficient as usual.  You
may experience extensive lag/disconnections until it is back at its
normal location, probably by Thursday night.  (You may not be able to
connect at all during these times)

-John
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: "It never comes up" (Re: 22nd ACM CC Championship)
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:28:11

In article <92314.105625BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Jerry Bryan) writes:
> My November Communications of the ACM just came.  There is an
> article entitled The 22d Annual ACM International Computer Chess
> Championship.  The authors are Danny Kopec, Monty Newborn, and Mike Valvo.
>
> The tournament was won by Deep Thought II.  I found the most interesting
> game to be one between MEPHISTO and LACHEX.  MEPHISTO won by under-
> promoting a pawn.  I quote from the article.
>
>   MEPHISTO must have used one of its nine lives in its game with
>   LACHEX.  LACHEX was never programmed for under-promotion and
>   got hit with a knight promotion accompanied by a double check.
>   Bert Wendroff never programmed under-promotion because "... it
>   never came up."  Last night he left before the game was over and
>   was greeted with a phone call:  "It came up."

Nearly incredible.

The sorry story is that items like underpromotion, en passant capture,
the fifty move rule, and position repetition have in the past been
unfortunately omitted from chessplaying programs with disasterous
results.  Said results always occurring at the worst possible moment,
of course.  I seem to recall a FORTRAN based program competing in the
ACM event back in the late 1970s with a similar tale of woe.  The
program did quite well in the four round tournament except for one
detail: it had no understanding of en passant capture.  You've guessed
it; the program was defeated twice because it could not even register
an opponent's en passant capture let alone either analyze it or make
one of its own.

Even more recently it was reported that ChipTest, a hardware
prototype of the Deep Thought I chessplaying system, did not analyze
castling.  This was due to a severe lack of development time and the
situation was reportedly fixed in its successors, so don't expect to
catch it in a castling trap!

Another hardware expediency was documented for Thompson's Belle
chessplaying system: it could manage a maximum of three non-pawn,
non-king men of the same type and color simultaneously.  So, if you
were somehow able to get in a position where you had a threat of four
queens, Belle would (apparently) conk out.  Not something to worry
about too much, I guess.

For those C programmers more interested in move generation including
castling, en passant captures, and underpromotion, I suggest looking
at the sangen.c file in the SAN Kit in pub/chess/misc/san.tar.Z at the
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu ftp site.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: rvc40592@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Cadman)
Subject: Re: piece sacrifices
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:14:51 GMT

A question from a novice:

epstein@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Paul Epstein) writes:
>Cochrane Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7.

I presume that at this point black has to play 4. ... Kf7, and that
this is advantageous for white because it puts a hole in black's defense
and forces black to waste time defending the king which is now out in
the open.

So, is 3. ... d6 really a good move for black?  What about 3. ... Qe7 or
3. ... Ne4 (threatening 4. Nf7 Nf2)?

I ask because I am wondering if I can expect 3. ... d6 from my opponent
if I were playing white and I found myself considering 3. Ne5 here.  If
I were playing black, I would probably have played 2. ... Nc6.
-- 
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From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Winning with the Schliemann? Joel Benjamin speaks on Tseitlin's book
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:42:42 GMT


I did a review of the original S&S book on the Schliemann some years
ago for Eric when he was editing the Illinois Chess Bulletin.  I 
concluded that they were much too ready to claim compensation for pawns
sacrificed.  Interestingly I also looked at the second line Joel looked
at.  David Sprenkle (an SM at the time) told me that he found some 
other holes in the same lines.  I'll be interested to see what they've
done in that line.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Re: Immopar Round 1
Summary: Background
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution:     world
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:20:07 GMT

In article <BxKD94.Ew4@world.std.com
ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow) writes:
> Nothing official yet, but according to Dan Edelman, via his endless phone
> conversations with the Polgars:
> Bareev beat Karpov
> Yusupov beat Salov
> Anand beat Adams
> Shirov beat Gelfand
> Judit beat Timman
> Kamsky beat Lautier
> Polugaevsky and Short are still playing.
> Kasparov and Kramnik are still playing.

Trophee Immopar
10-15 November 1992
Theatre des Champs-Elysees
Paris, France

If you take the pairings I gave before and "make the boxes" to the right,
you'll have the pairing sheet.  In other words, Bareev now plays Yusupov.
It's a knockout.

They play one match at a time, for maximum drama.  That puts Kasparov last,
of course...

Perhaps the pairing Kramnik-Kasparov is premature, or perhaps the organizers
just wanted to make certain that neither of them could avoid playing the
other by getting knocked out -- in any case we now get a couple of
(admittedly, 25-minute) games between the two.

The program does not say how much they are playing for, but it is Big Bucks.
One American grandmaster I spoke to today is annoyed by this phenomenon of
all at the top; he figures he'll have to win the US championship to get up
there...

As I said, more as I have it.

--elliott
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: marino@dxcern.cern.ch (Massimo Marino)
Subject: Re: Is this move valid ?
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:17:36 GMT


tsioutsias-dimitris@cs.yale.edu (Dimitris Ioannis Tsioutsias) asks:



>I want to know if the following move is valid (I think is called
>an-passan (?)) That is, you move your pawn from its initial position
>(*2 for the whites or *7 for the blacks) two places forward and 
>get the pawn of your opponent that is resting in the same row that
>your pawn ends but one column to the left or right. So, you don't
>get it by moving diagonaly, but for a pawn's 1st move that's allowed.

>Please let me know if this move is valid or not.

It is exactly the opposite... :-)

If on the first move of one of your pawns, you step forward by two squares
and that ends up with an adverse colour pawn to the same row but shifted
one column to left or right (I know it is an explanation a bit clumsy..
sorry 'bout that), than it is YOUS opponent that can get your pawn en-passant
(French, it means : while it is passing by...), i.e. for your opponent your
pawn move can be considered as a one square on instead of two and can get
the pawn anyway. This possibility is only valid as immediate answer to the
pawn move. He cannot get the pawn afterwards if he makes another move than
the capture en-passant.

So the answer to your question is : No, the move is not valid since that is 
not an en-passant capture.


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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: ekw@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow)
Subject: Re: thank you, Ron Henry
Summary: uh...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:47:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.173619.11120@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

> ...better still, why don't they first do like Fischer and Spassky and
> *EARN* the right to compete in such match with a lifetime of high quality
> chess.

Uh, that would be *half* a lifetime in the case of one of the contestants...

:-)

--elliott
From: kevin@eye.com (Kevin Stokker)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: piece sacrifices
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:49:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Nov6.155000.29971@cs.brown.edu> rjm@cs.brown.edu (Ralph Marshall) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.062817.7368@math.utexas.edu> epstein@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Paul Epstein) writes:
>>I know of exactly three openings which are sometimes played at international
>>level which involve a piece sacrifice.  They are as follows:
>>Muzio Gambit:  1. e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3. Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.0-0 gXf3 6.Qxf3.
>
>Does anybody have any on-line games involving this opening?  As a
>complete neophyte I'm sticking to a single opening (King's Gambit)
>based on the advice that it will get the game moving from the outset
>and thus teach me tactics.  Anyway, while reading a few pages I saw a
>mention of this, and while it looks pretty clever, I wasn't sure it
>would really work against a competent Black player.  Can Masters force
>a quick win here?
>
>Ralph Marshall
>rjm@cs.brown.edu
>
>
>

Actually, according to the latest _Trends_in_the_Kings_Gambit_,
the Muzio is considered to be quite dangerous for black.

-kevin
From: U23590@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Gaprindashvilli's strength (was re: Fishcer with odds)
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:21:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92315.132104U23590
 <1992Nov10.053806.11318@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

>>
>>You're crazy if you think even a perfect chess machine could give
>>knight odds to a 2300 player.
>>
But Fischer was probably better than a perfect chess machine.
-watkins
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From: epstein@rene.ma.utexas.edu (Paul Epstein)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer-Polgar Match
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:10:03 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics

Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen) writes:

>> Paul Epstein writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <1992Nov3.213819.29847@math.utexas.edu>
>> Posted: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 21:38:19
>>
>> Org.  : University of Texas at Austin Mathematics
>>
>> wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen) writes:
>>
>> >My prediction?  Judit wins 12-0.  Fischer IS going to give knight odds,
>> >isn't he?  <smileys where appropriate>
>>
>> >Bill
>>
>> Fischer apparently once said that he could give any woman knight odds and
>> still win.
>>
>>

>He did say this, but almost 20 years ago. Nobody took him up on it
>so I guess that he was right, at the time. I do not think that any
>such offer can be expected today.
>Anyhow, on even terms, Fischer should beat Judith by 8:4 or 7:5.
>Peter
>--

>----------------------------------------------------------------
>   Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca         Vancouver, Canada
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Apparently Gaprindashvili who was of grandmaster strength did take him
up on it, and suggested a large bet.   Fischer then backed off.
I think its clear that most people with a U.S.C.F rating of 2300 or more
would have been likely to beat Fischer with knight odds.  There were surely
several women in this category.

Paul
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: absurd@apple.apple.com (Tim Dierks, software saboteur)
Subject: High Speed II: Helicopter Bonus?
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:40:21 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Marauders
Followup-To: rec.games.pinball

I've got to know.... I can't take it anymore.  Every time I hit a
pop bumper in The Getaway it "advances the helicopter bonus".  I
don't have any idea how to collect this bonus.  Noone I know knows.
There isn't a mention of the helicopter bonus anywhere on the rule
card, the playfield, the plastics, the blackglass, or engraved onto
the ball in little tiny letters.  Sure, sometimes you'll see
helicopters on the display during multiball, and there's a couple
of giant helicopters on the backglass, but I'm convinced the whole
thing is a giant red herring to get me to play more often in the
hopes of solving this mystery.  I've given up.  Maybe you can help.

On a side note, I think I'm about to buy a TAF.  Given prices I've
seen and been quoted, and the proven earning potential of this game,
I'm pretty sure buying one for $3K is a good deal, provided it's in
good condition, and I think it probably is (although I haven't seen
it yet).  Any thoughts on the subject would be gladly received.

In a similar vein, are there any things in particular I should look
for when inspecting a TAF?  Any obscure parts that break easily
or wear down?  I'm pretty confident in my ability to check out the
playfield, plastics, and standard parts.

Tim Dierks
MacDTS, Apple Computer
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Stereo (Was: Re: Fish Flappage)
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:06:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.y!cqn1f
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov10.093857.24810@cs.uow.edu.au> u9039899@cs.uow.edu.au (Darrin Jon Smart) writes:
>>>After listening to Data East music, I think that must be in stereo.
>>data east is in stereo (Or so the machines say) ...
>I don't play DE machines that often but I've never noticed any stereo
>effects. I only knew they were stereo because of the messages on the
>machines themselves.

They do have some stereo effects, unfourtunately, the extra noise in most
arcades kinda cuts that out. 

>When in a place that has both DE and Williams machines I notice the sound
>on the Williams ones first.

Why? I think its because you just notice the Williams game first, then pick 
out the sound.
DE has, by far, the best sound in the pinball industry, though Williams is
catching up.

>Personally I think manufactures would be better off using their resources
>elsewhere on the games.

Not really, good sound really makes a game come to life- what would TAF be
without Gomez screaming 'SHOWTIME' or the zillions of other nifty sounds.
Ever listen to the music when you're trying to lock your third ball to start
multi-ball? Its really well done. 
Bad sound can also kill a game. A game like Star Trek might have gotten some
second chances if it weren't for Scotty screaming 'Shoot the Transporter!'
every few seconds...

r.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Kid (ie, Toy) Pinball Games In Sears Christmas Catalog
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:29:38 GMT

jeff@godzilla.quotron.com (Jeff Marder) writes:


>I would like to get my 6-year old a pinball game, and I was wondering if
>any net readers have had any experience in this area.  There are several
>games ranging from $30-$50 in the catalog.  Any recommendations or brands
>or models to avoid?  Will ni-cad batteries work ok??              

Most of these really are "Ricky-Dink" and don't play very well at all.  We
bough one for our 4 year olds, but they prefer the real thing.  You can buy
the real thing for around $300 and it'll be far better investment, especially
if you are handly at fixing the minor problems that occur.