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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:35:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug23.063529.25083
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug23.052757.6445@Princeton.EDU> wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.092013.9018@u.washington.edu> yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>Yes, I agree in part. But many Koreans either emigrated or were forced to
>>Japan. I can think of some historical cases:
>>
>>1. Yayoi people
>>3. Silla and Tang Dynasty artisans, monks, etc.
>>2. Paekche refugees after Paekche was destroyed by Silla Kingdom
>>3. Maybe some Koryo dynasty people fleeing from Mongol
>>4. Hideyoshi invasion and kidnappings.
>
>  Is there any estimation how many Koreans came to Japan? It is very
>interesting to see how many Japanese originated from the Korean
>peninsula. Where the hell did the rest come from, by the way?
>(I heard there was much debate on this in Japan but I didn't pay
>attention to it.)

Well, not an exact figure, but I do know that in each of these situations
(1-4), they were large enough to be called "forced migrations" or "cultural
migrations". I also know that by the 10th century, atleast 130 or so family
names were regarded as Korean in origin, and a slightly larger number being
Chinese. This was due to a survey of Japan's noble families at the time, with
a half either consisiting of direct Korean and Chinese cultural missionary
families. The other half being families who could directly trace their links
to Korea of China, although they have been in Japan longer. I think this survey
is in one of the two history books of early Japan (Kojiki, Nihon Shoki). I 
think my facts are correct, although you might want to look them up yourself.

>  I myself am sometimes mistaken as a Korean...well, at least at Chinese
>restaurants. 8^) I think I have a kind of look of a Pacific islander,
>though.

Probably because not many Japanese people are known to go to Chinese 
restaurants outside of Japan...a guess. I've always thought that Korean
people look like a mix between Chinese and Japanese, just an observation.

>[stuff deleted]
>
>
>...Wataru
>-- 
>  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
>     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
>     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Regarding Japanese T.V...
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<SMITTIE.92Aug10160135@lark.csulb.edu> <1721@hsdndev.UUCP>
	<SMITTIE.92Aug15103224@beach.csulb.edu>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:00:55 GMT

Error:
This kind of cable is, at least as I understand, not very common and not very
popular.
should read:
This kind of cable is, at least as I understand, not very common and not very
popular in Japan.

smittie
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From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: On Japanese apologies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:54:00 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug19112943@lark.csulb.edu>, smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes...
>It is easy, in the heat of the moment, to lose sight of one's on perspective on
>a given issue. Such is the case with the current discussion regarding Japan's
>apology to China for atrocities committed during WWII.
> 
>...[stuff on education]
I basically agree.

>The call for an apology is, at least in my mind, a more complicated problem. I
>believe that at some point in time the validity of such an apology is negated.
>...[stuff on African-Americans and Japanese-Americans and the ineffectiveness
     of apologies for these two situations]
I disagree here.  The effect of the apology for the internment of Japanese-
Americans was beneficial for the Japanese-American community and for the whole
US as well.  This is one of the best example of American ideals put into
practice.

One must also consider the consequences of the government *not* officially
apologizing.  There has been a few posts saying that this is of no consequence.
But clearly state, business, and personal relations would be much better if
this matter was finally settled amicably.  I would not like this issue to be
hanging around for my grandchildren to deal with.

>Japan should have been made to pay compensation to China and to the victims of
>the atrocities committed by the Japanese immediately after WWII. I am not sure
>whether they were or not. If they were not I suspect that at least some of the
>blame for that rests on the shoulders of the American government of the time
>and SCAP. If Japan did pay some form of compensation to the Chinese then it is
>reasonable for the Japanese to consider that matter of compensation closed.

Actually even if some form of compensation was given out in the past, it is
not clear that the door is shut closed forever once it is given out.  New
matters appear that were formally hidden.  For example there is the case
of the Korean "comfort" girls that was kept quiet by the government.  They
certainly deserve some form of compensation.

-- Makoto
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan HS Baseball scores....
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:56:25 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research


I don't have a copy of the last posting available,
but I'm told by a Yamagata fan that Nishidai Yamagata
won 12-2, not lost. And also Gifu won, not lost.

Please be careful, as those Yamagata fans can be pretty
unruly (this is the first time a Yamagata HS made the
final eight):-)

First the Yamagata Shinkansen, now the HS kids are
in the baseball tourney quarter-finals. Before you
know it, many Japanese may find out where Yamagata
is :-)

(Nishi Dai was my wife's brother's High School)

- Bill Lambert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Ethnic Food in Japan
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.161920.7747@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes...
>mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
> 
>>The Chinese food in Yokohama is fake (is that too harsh a word, sorry).
>>The Chinese food in Osaka is even more fake (sorry about that, too).
> 
>Afterall Chinese restaurants in Japan cater for local palates. I
>had not noticed it when I lived in Japan but any ethnic food in
>Japan somewhat tastes "Japanized" after living in the USA 10 years.
>Personally I'd rather go to China Town in San Fran, Chicago, or NY
>to get Chinese food cooked in good old American way!  You never
>know if it's kosher in Yokohama, you know. :) 
> 
Say does anyone know why kare- (curried rice) is a standard Japanese
meal?  Perhaps it was brought over by Malaysians or Indonesians?  Or
was it just slick marketing?  I must admit having tried Indian curry
in London, kare- is certainly Japanized.  When my wife and father-in-law
tried the Japanese version, they were not particularly impressed and
were confused with the boiled eggs and pickles.  I tell them not to
compare the two styles and to think of them as completely different
dishes!

-- Makoto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asian.american
From: morihiro@aegis.or.jp (Morihiro Kubo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Regarding Japanese T.V...
Summary: Frequency allocation
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:37:44 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan


In article <HARKCOM.92Aug17083018@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>, harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:

>    Does anybody in this group have the frequency ranges for US and
> Japanese TV.  It would interesting to see them.


RF signal frequency allocation is: 

Japan:
        VHF-L       VHF-H             UHF
       =======     ==========        ==========
      91    103   171      217      471       765(MHz)

US:
 VHF-L              VHF-H             UHF
 =====             ==========        =============
55   83           175      211      471          885(MHz)

(Plus 0.25MHz on each freqeuncy.)

So if you use US-channels TV in Japan, you can't watch Japanese VHF-L 
channels(CH1 to CH3).

CATV allocation is also diffrent. Japanese CATV allocation is 
between 109.25MHz to 162.5MHz and 223.25MHz to 463.25MHz.
And then US CATV allocation is between 55.25MHz to 643.25MHz.


===morihiro


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BITNET: morihiro%aegis.or.jp@jpnkyoto.bitnet (international)
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:06:36 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug15105246@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>A curious thought. Who will apologize for all the other wars in history?

	None!
	It's not the WAR but the deed during the WAR; and
	I don't think I have to spell'em here.

	BTW, there still seem to be those Korean Comfort Girls surviving
	miserably in Japan; and as far as I know, Korean Government
	asked for the compensation for them.
	I don't think that's unacceptable request.

	In Korea, it's very personal for some; for me, I don't have any
	emotion against Japanese people; as a matter of fact,
	they are just another human-being.

	However, those who had someone in their family either killed
	or drafted for Comfort Women (it's nothing but a sexual toy)
	get really upset.  Also, they (surviving comfort women)
	are so shamed of themselves (being sexual toy) that they seem
	to hide themselves from public.

	The problem is that there seem to be many of them (those who
	had someone ..).

	For me, I don't really care about the History book;
	and I don't care about the apology by the Emperor;
	but I really think something has to be done to those
	left-over people by someone; and I think that someone
	must be Japanese Government since it's not proper to
	ask certain japanese to do so.

	I wonder what'll happen if those former comfort girls take
	either class action or sue the Japanese Government for the
	compensation; or I even wonder they can do that or not.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Aug20.214534.18096@news.iastate.edu>
	<SMITTIE.92Aug20160552@beach.csulb.edu>
	<1992Aug21.002743.15171@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:52:25 GMT

>Compare to the Atorcity of Nagking, no bad deeds can compare with it!

I understand the above sentence to be saying, "nothing can compare to the
atrocity of Nanking."

That is a value judgement and most of the people of the world would not agree
with you. There have been many tragic events in this world. Each people group
holds the tragedy that happened to their group as the most tragic. That does
not mean it is.

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:04:42 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug18124612@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>Again, why do Chinese and Koreans hate Japanese ?  Apology itself may not mean
>>much, it's simply a gesture and a start. If they don't apologise, the hatred
>>will last longer and "seat" deeper.  I think it's only natual that many
>>Chinese people hate them after what they have DONE (not said), and not even
>>apologizing.  I just don't see the reasoning in your remarks.
>
>Nothing good and nothing right ever comes out of any action that is motivated
>by hatred. No hatred is justified though it might be understood. To continue to
>teach that hatred from generation to generation is to continue to perpetrate
>the problem. The Chinese who harbor hatred will become the problem.

You can't expect all the chinese and koreans to be holy in the first place.
They won't embrace the Japanese government with love, when the latter is still
trying to cover the crime of the war. The potential jingoism will still last,
if the government sets an environment for it. If I can find your critistic 
statements about the government, I may think we find a good judge. It is true
that this world should be full of understandings and love. It is true that 
hatred is not good for this aim. But this great aim needs all parts to fullfill.
You were confused, because you don't know the behaviours of the Japnese 
government contribute a lot to the hatred of itself, among chinese and koreans.
If you blamed all the hatred to the previous victims, you got a problem.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Re: Fare from Osaka Airport into town
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:42:40 GMT

In article <2286@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>But IMHO there are other considerations and while it may be the
>cheapest, I don't think it is necessarily the most convenient,
>depending on where you want to go. If you want to connect to
>anyplace on or near the Hankyu line (goes to Kyoto, Osaka, Kobe)
>then I think it might be easier to go that way. 

I recall busses going to Kobe, Kyoto, Umeda (Osaka-city North), 
Namba (Osaka-city South), and Sakai (a city South of Osaka-city).

"Convenience" also depends on the amount of luggage.  Hankyu is a 
commuter rail, so it only stops momentarily at each station.
If you have, say, five luggages, you have to move pretty quickly
to get everything on and off the train.  Hey, this could be a new
Olympic event :-)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:6894 soc.culture.china:23286 soc.culture.hongkong:9906 soc.culture.taiwan:12061
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:29:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Please be careful in your editing.  A post seems to be attributed to me,
but it was actually a reply to one of my posts by someone else.  Note
that I did not write the message below, i.e. MS refers to someone else.

In article <WEIGERT.92Aug19131845@etlhit.etl.go.jp>, weigert@mcs.anl.gov writes...
> 
>MS> In article <17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
> 
>MS> The situation is exactly the same with regard to Japan and her
>MS> neighbours. We have seen plenty of hysterical rants over the past few
>MS> days from Chinese and Koreans. They display a deep-seated
>MS> anti-Japanese feeling. No apology will destroy this racism. Japanese
>                                                        ^^^^^^
>MS> war crimes are just an excuse for racism.
>                                      ^^^^^^
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<1992Aug17.172805.675@merlin.hgc.edu>
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:23:15 GMT

>Thank you, You can do onething for the people of invaded countries.
>There is no doubt in my mind that Japan is trying to rebuild its
>glorious(and also very shameful) past by reenforcing its military and,
>meantime, misguiding the public. You can use vote to stop this!!!
>Nobody wants Giant Japan with striking force.

What do evidence do we have of this?? The PKO bill? That was a response to
Western pressures that developed as a result of the Gulf War. So what other
evidence can you offer that shows Japan's desire to return to
militant-nationalism???

smittie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kojima@etl.go.jp (Isao Kojima)
Subject: Re: Fare from Osaka Airport into town
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Reply-To: kojima@etl.go.jp (Isao Kojima)
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:10:31 GMT

On 08/11/92(14:29) ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au wrote
in <1992Aug11.152752.15917@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au> 
 | I have a friend travelling to Osaka who wants to know whether to take 
 | a taxi or bus from the airport into the main part of Osaka. Does anyone 
 | know an approximate cost of cab or bus fares?

			Airport Bus               Taxi (approx. cost)
		      time    cost   freq

To: Osaka Umeda	      30min 440yen 5or8/hour    30min  3700yen
    Osaka Shin-Osaka  25min 340yen 4/hour       25min  3100yen
    Osaka Nan-ba      30min 440yen 4/hour       30min  4030yen

    Kyoto Kyoto-St.   60min 890yen 3or4/hour    50min  10570yen
    Kobe San-nomiya   50min 720yen 3/hour       35min  7530yen

Bus terminal is located in front of the Domestic Arrival. (5~10
minute's walk from International Arrival) Bus services to some hotels
of osaka/kyoto are also available. 

Using Hankyu: (I DONT recommend but it is the cheapest.)

You should WALK to the Hotarugaike Station (about 2km). If you want 
to take the city bus to Hotarugaike, only 7minutes ride costs about
200yen. Hankyu train to Osaka Umeda costs 200yen. 

 ///						Isao Kojima
///						kojima@etl.go.jp


Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:6643 rec.travel:11675
From: grob@opera.chorus.fr (Lori Grob)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japanese books in France?
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:07:31 GMT
Reply-To: mg@chorus.fr
Organization: Chorus systemes, 6 av. Gustave Eiffel, 78182 Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines, France

In article <1992Aug12.094818.1@sissa.it>, radikkio@sissa.it writes:
%% 
%% 	Dear netters,
%% 
%% 		From 3 to 17 September I will be in France (Cote d'Azur, 
%% Avignone, Digione, Paris, Lyon, etc.). The question is: where can I find a 
%% Japanese bookshop or a bookshop with a large amount of Jap books?
%% 
%% 		Thanks a lot
%% 
%% 			Riccardo.
%% 
%% 
%% 
%% 	*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*
%% 				Riccardo IANCER
%% 
%% RADIKKIO@TSMI19.SISSA.IT	38028::RADIKKIO		RADIKKIO@ITSSISSA
%% INTERNET			DECNET			BITNET

There is at least one Japanese Book store in Paris,
near the Opera.
You will find books in Japanese at FNAC as well, both
in Les Halles and on Rue de Rennes. Though certainly 
you will find more at the Japanese Book Store.

If you can get a hold of a Gault Millau Paris Guide Book
they have a reasonable, altough far from complete listing
of the various foreign language book stores in Paris

I would be surprised if  there was a book store specializing
in Japanese books in Avignon, but in most sizeable or touristic
towns, the books stores will have small foreign language
sections which may/will likely include Japanese. Japanese
language books (learning of) will be much easier to find. 

After Paris, your best bets are probably Lyon and Marseilles
for this kind of thing.
-- 
L.S. Grob
Chorus syste`mes			phone +33-1-30-64-82-17
6 avenue Gustave Eiffel			fax   +33-1-30-57-00-66	
F78182 Saint Quentin-en-Yvelines	email grob@chorus.fr	
FRANCE					      grob%chorus.fr.uunet.uu.net
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:02:23 GMT

>>In article <912@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>>>No. But if they denounce all Germans I do. All I wish is that people
>>>posting here would differentiate between the Japanese who committed
>>>atrocities during the war and those Japanese (the vast majority of
>>>Japanese) who didn't.

In article <1992Aug21.163203.17477@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>But the problem is that if they *refuse* to acknowledge Japan's past, then
>>they, just like the neo-Nazis, are condoning return to such kind of behavior.
>>In other words, if they never considered what the Imperial Army did in China
>>as crimes, how can they consider them crimes if they happen again?

Nelson Lu also writes:
>I am *not* implying that all Japanese, or even close to all Japanese, are
>refusing to acknowledge Japan's past crimes.  I am talking about the
>politicians who continue to refuse to apologize.

Exactly.  Since Japan is represented by government made of politicians 
elected by Japanese people *and* bureacrats who take care of what 
Japanese people should listen to (case of textbook controvery).
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