HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jrb@Ingres.COM (John Black)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: It is legal to play chess in Yugoslavia
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:14:23 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

In article <PHR.92Dec23124354@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>    > Obligatory chess question:  Does there exist a chess position in
>    > which Black has enough material to mate White in theory, but Black
>    > cannot mate White even with White's cooperation, while on the other
>    > hand White can mate Black without Black's cooperation?
>
>    No. If it can be proven that black cannot mate white even with white's
>    cooperation, then it is impossible in theory for black to mate white.
>
>    The two situations can not co-exists in our universe using our logic.
>
>This is an issue of semantics.  The question asked about when
>black has *enough material* to mate White, meaning there are
>positions where Black could mate White with that material; however,
>this does not have to be one of those positions (and Black can't
>be able to reach such a position even with White's cooperation).
>
Correct.  For example, in the following position Black has enough material
to mate White, but Black cannot mate White even with White's cooperation:

- - - - k - - -
- - - - - - - -    Using the "Winslow" notation for Pawns: o is BP, O is WP
- o - o - o - o
o O o O o O o O
O - O - O - O -
- - - - - - - -
- - - - K - - -
- - - - - - - -

I am, of course, assuming that Black did not just play a7-a5, c7-c5, e7-e5 or
g7-g5 allowing an en passant capture.

Now to find a position where White has a forced win... that's another story.
Ugh!

john//
jrb@ingres.com
From: Ron_Kownacki@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't Blame Lawyers!
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:08:54 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
>Date: 26 Dec 92 18:26:17 EST
>
>In article <1ha35qINN5ne@life.ai.mit.edu>, joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T.
A
>ndy Frakes) writes:
>> Who is this DMC bonehead, anyway?  There's been so much traffic here
>> recently that I've only been scanning the articles for real info or
>> interesting debates.  Needless to say, I've skipped a majority of the
>> articles and seemed to have missed all this DMC stuff (perhaps for
>> the better).  On the surface it looks like this bozo is yanking a lot
>> of chains and probably having a good time doing it (or perhaps I'm
>> giving they guy too much credit and he's just a total moron, but
>> probably not).  I recognize the style, though.  I've used it myself a
>> few times before to spice things up when things are slow.  I even did
>> it on this newsgroup a few months back with that one article titled
>> "Listen Up, Bobby Bashers" as many of you probably remember.  Most
>> people eventually figured it out, but some didn't (even after telling
>> them!).
>
>While that may have been a tactic you used to while away the hours in your
>otherwise pointless existance, my posts have been designed to question the
>positions stated by 'experts' and if said positions are the result of informed,>impartial decision-making.


This is great!  DMC vs. Frakes!  The inevitable confrontation that the
rest of the rgc readership have been awaiting for months!  Now we'll
resolve these issues!
From: 01jmbrown@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: *** WARNING ***   DUMB QUESTION!!!
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:21:13 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


*** WARNING! ***

	The following posting is from a chess-ignorant nincompoop boob of a
fellow who has a basic working knowlege of chess and who has probably played
chess for a grand lifetime total of 42 times with relatives and friends without
any great study of the game (read: and he's very bad at chess).

	The following posting is possibly appropriate more for
misc.sources.games, but few public domain chess programs are ever posted
there (at least, I haven't seen any).

	So without further ado, a due, a do, or a dog doo, here goes stupid
rec.games.chess posting #89489489483248832:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HELLO

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME POSTING TO A NEWSGROUP, SO PLEASE NO FLAMES HA HA
BUT I AM INTERESTED IN CHESS BECAUSE IT IS FUN
AND SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PUBLIC-DOMAIN SOURCE CODE FOR A SIMPLE CHESS
PROGRAM THAT A BUMBLING FOOL COULD PLAY? I'M LOOKING FOR A SIMPLE ONE
EVEN ONE WITH ASCII GRAPHICS

       R N B K Q B N R
       P P P P P P P P

                etc.

WOULD BE WONDERFUL, PREFERABLY ALSO A 1-PLAYER VERSION (IE PLAY THE COMPUTER)
AVAILABLE? I'M ON YOUR BASIC VAX WITH FORTRAN/PASCAL/C/BASIC/ETC. COMPILERS.

THANK YOU NICE PEOPLE FOR NOT FLAME-BROILING A BUMBLING FOOL IN ADVANCE. HA.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully that bit of dry (read : stupid) humor will cut off any nasty edge
that _might_ have been travelling through this newsgroup and maybe someone
will take this post seriously(?).  just wondering if any of you guys had
a simple chess program available and handy? if so could you post here or
e-mail me either the code or let me know where to get it? not wanting to
market it and colorize it with TurnerVision to sell to satan or anything,
just wanting to have a chess game to play. and yes, if i ever let a friend
copy it you'd be forever famous with whatever credit or whatever you put on
it if the game was your own; I wouldn't dare try messing with the code for
fear of messing up the game.

thanks in advance.

--Jeff Brown
  01jmbrown@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
From: IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (ABHAY)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:15:22 GMT
 <1992Dec29.055724.23632@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <92364.122435RCE365@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <1hqfroINNb0u@shelley.u.washington.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1hqfroINNb0u@shelley.u.washington.edu>, monaghan@cac.washington.edu
(Tracy Monaghan ) says:

>In article <92364.122435RCE365@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <RCE365@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>      :
>writes

>>If in U.S. court's eye, the judicial system in the foreign countryis
>>competent enough, then the U.S. law will not interfere with the that
>>matter. That however doesn't forbid anybody from filing a case.

>>Abhay

>And what, if anything, does this have to do with CHESS???

Nothing directly. But mam,if had read the previous atricles on the same
topic, rather than singling out a part of an article, you could have
established the link yourself!

Aaaaany way, we (few humble netters) were opining on whether the U.S.
government has juridiction over the actions of US citizens done overseas.
(Specificaly Fisher, but it might be U tomorrow - I hope not-)

Ain't U now glad that we brought up this discussion?
Abhay
From: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: harvard square speed.
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:52:10 EST
Reply-To: "dale smoak" <dale.smoak@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

In article <1giuegINNhc@agate.berkeley.edu> Daniel Mytelka writes:

>That would be in 1983. I was visiting Boston, and played a game against a
>master who played blitz against all comers in Harvard Square for $1 a game,
>giving twice as much time to his opponent. I lost, but the next guy beat
>him. Turned out to be Short, pretty much an unknown at the time who had
>just won the British championship, and was in this country to play the
>US champion.

(I missed the original article from which this quote comes and have
"borrowed" it from elsewhere)

I saw this.  A man walked up to Murray Turnbull, the Harvard Square
master, with his "nephew" in tow, and said, here, why don't you play
him.  So Murray gave his usual odds of three minutes to five, or maybe
it was two to five, and got wiped off the board.  Hmmm, he said, they set
up again, and again the nephew wiped him out.  Then the "uncle"
introduced Short.  Murray was thrilled, as it was the first time he'd ever
played a grandmaster (he's played one or two since, as Dzindzichashvili
has come through occasionally).

The year cited above is wrong; it's too early.  I didn't live here until
1984.  I remember that Short was nineteen and Lev Alburt was US
Champion.

Murray Turnbull is probably the most photographed non-politician in
Boston.  There's a story on him at least once a year in the papers.  He
played chess in the Square even before the Au Bon Pain, the outdoor
cafe, was built; and people know to always reserve the outermost chess
table for him.

Dale Smoak
---
  DeLuxe 1.26b #12237  dale.smoak#channel1.com/76350.3662@compuserve.com
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: US Championship FINAL CROSSTABLE
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:16:39 GMT

Thanks for the postings.  You join the exalted ranked of David Fry as someone
who's actually posted something useful on the net!

Have a happy holiday season!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:45:50 EST
From: <GUF@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Petty Chess

Does anyone know the rules for a chess varation called "Petty Chess"?
It's played on a 5 x 5 board with K, Q, R, B, N and a row of 5 pawns.
All all traditional chess moves the same?  Any differences in strategy, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Gil Gall, Penn State Univ., (guf@psuvm.psu.edu)
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:22:31 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec29.055724.23632@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> In article <92363.133501IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (ABHAY) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec28.052513.14461@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu
>>(sven  hauptfeld) says:
>>
>>>This is really idiotic. Do you think that government having jurisdiction over
>>>its people mean that those people are its property? And do you think that a US
>>>citizen who kills somebody in another country would be immune of a trial by a
>>>US court?
>>
>>YES! If the person killed is not an american, then he can't be tried in
>>U.S. He can be tried in that foreign country, if he is caught there or if
>>  he is convicted and that country has extradiction treaty with U.S.!!!
>>( U.S. doesn't have Extradiction treaty with Yugo.)
>>
>>>You must be either kidding or totally ignorant.
>>I don't think so Sven!
>>>        Sven
>>Abhay
> 
> Why would I take your word at face value? Can you give references (specific
> laws or court precedents)? 

Well, it is real hard to find refernces to events which have not happened. (Can
you prove that no one has ever...)(Can you prove that there is no alien life in
outer space...)


> 
> I would really be surprised if the US works the way you say. I certainly know
> that a Danish truck driver who causes an accident in which people get killed on
> a Yugoslav road CAN be tried in Denmark - I know of such a case, where Denmark
> demanded extradiction but Yugoslavia refused (he would be a lot better off 
> under Danish law - but he would stand trial).
> 
> But than, the US are on another planet in many respects, so maybe you are 
> right. But you'd have to give me some substantial evidence.
> 
> 	Sven
> 

Why? What substanital evidence have you given to show that jurisdiction exists?
Do you have one case? Have you ever heard of one?

There have been practicing lawyers who have entered this debate, do any of them
have exapmles of the US trying people for crimes committed overseas. (Within
the last 100 years anyway. The first 100 years was pretty much due process as
the local cour wanted to give in some areas, right down to having the trial
while the accused was on the gallows and the executioner was placing the noose
around the defendan't neck.)

I am in the home stretch of my third year of law school, and I have never heard
of anyone being tried for crimes commited overseas. But, I do know that
jurisdiction is tied either to area or subject matter. Ohio courts have
jurisdictions over acts that take place in Ohio for crimes and civil wrongs,
while while it has jurisdictions over people in Ohio.

The same holds true for the Feds. And while it is possible to sue a foreigner
in Federal court for (un)civil acts done in foreign lands, the criminal side
DEMANDS that the court trying the case have jurisdiction at the time of the
event. Within limits, civil damages travel, while criminal wrongs are fixed.
From: rh@smds.com (Richard Harter)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Gardner's Lecture Notes
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:39:15 GMT
Reply-To: rh@ishmael.UUCP (Richard Harter)
Organization: Software Maintenance & Development Systems, Inc.

In article <4522.1109.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> wayne.mendryk@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Wayne Mendryk) writes:
>Here are the key points which Rob Gardner (CFC rating 2238) gave at a
>chess lecture in Edmonton recently.

...

The points are generally sound, although it is (inevitably) heavily
qualified.  However the advice is sort of pre-Steinitzian, i.e. there
is almost nothing in it about the elements of positional play.  This
is not a bad thing -- one needs to learn the play the pieces before one
learns to play the pawns.

For serious chess, however, you need to understand things like weak squares
and strong squares, the difference between a cramped but dynamic position
and a cramped position without prospects.  You need to understand when
and how an apparently weak square can be unexploitable or even a source
of strength.  You need to understand the difference between a prophylactic
move and a weakening defensive move.  And so on.

More than that, you need to be able to assess a position in terms of
appropriate long range plans, to see what intermediate goals support
those plans and the opportunities for countervailing action to the other
players objectives.  And so on and so forth...

This is all old hat, of course, but the point is that there was nothing
of this in the posted points.


-- 
Richard Harter: SMDS Inc.  Net address: rh@smds.com Phone: 508-369-7398 
US Mail: SMDS Inc., PO Box 555, Concord MA 01742.    Fax: 508-369-8272
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: kellogg@teal.csn.org (Patrick Kellogg)
Subject: Lure of Silver Ball
Summary:  looking for book
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:34:30 GMT

Hello, I have heard about a book "The Lure of the Silver Ball" on this
newsgroup. However, none of the bookstores I asked could find it. Anyone
have a publisher's number or more info on the book (author, date, etc.)

If someone could post addresses to Pinball magazines it would be nice, too.
And where's the ftp site, if any.

Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: dust@cs.UAlberta.CA (Dust Jason Norman)
Subject: New games?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:46:55 GMT

Hi! Could someone please post a list of new games they know or have
heard will be coming out in the New Year.  Please don't send any email,
this is not my account.

Thanx in advance!
Brian
--
  "My Canada includes: Every bitching, whining province, aboriginal,
	 feminist, minority, and special interest group."
                                      -Glen Foster
From: overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: EBD bulb replacement & Squawk and Talk ROMs
Date: 23 Dec 1992 01:03:51 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbootay.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec19.202512.7169@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> Stephen Jonke <jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
>The Squawk and Talk board on the my Eight Ball Deluxe does not have a ROM in
>the socket marked U2.  Should there be one there?  I haven't noticed anything
>that seems to be missing sound wise, but I hadn't played EBD in eons before I
>bought this machine.
>
>Also, I finally got a complete copy of the manual and the part number listed
>for bulbs is #44.  All the bulbs in my machine are #555.  What are the
>consequences of using the wrong bulb?  Can I mix the two types (I need some
>replacements, so I'm wondering if I should get #555 or #44 for the burnt out
>ones.)
>
>How do you replace the bulbs that are NOT in those convenient screw in
>holders, such as the 50k and Special lights for the playfield Deluxe?  These
>bulbs (and many others) are in sockets bolted to the playfield.  A ground wire
>that is soldered to the socket is stapled to the bottom of the playfield, so I
>can't imagine that I am supposed to unbolt the socket and unsolder/resolder
>the ground wire just to replace a bulb.  What is the proper way to do it?
>
>Steve

The original EBD used the old style sockets, the two later runs
of the GAME one which was the Limited Edition used the newer style
sockets that use the 555.  The manual was never changed to
reflect this to my knowledge.  A #44 is a bayonet type bulb
similar (but smaller) to that used in a car brake light.
The 555 is a push in type bulb.  To replace them most people just
bed the socket back.  Note:  BE CAREFULL and do not pull at the plastic
socket, instead grab the metal arm and gently pull it out until you
have just enough room to put the bulb in.  That old plastic socket
will crack very easily.

		Happy Holidays and Regards,
						Dallas...
From: ung@felix.filenet.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Test
Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:42:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi guys, I lost my net access a while ago and just now figured out how to
post (with the help of my good friend, Roy, who is also forwarding your
messages to me).  Roy, if you see this, would you let me know?  Thanks!

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com

PS:  I'll try to make some real postings soon.
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From: kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY)
Subject: Re: MAD Money by Sega
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:36:19 GMT

Lyman F. Sheats Jr. (lfs@mitre.org) wrote:
: So what does this say about Tales From The Crypt?  I guess it's gone.
: Would be a shame, really, IMO.  I think I would much prefer the Tales
: From The Crypt theme over and above the MAD theme.
: 
But TftC would really suck if it relied on the Crypt Keeper from the
TV show.  There's a whole lot that could be done with the three
Ghoulunatics, gimmick-wise; the comics have a richer background.  Spell
VAULT, HAUNT, and CRYPT, etc.  Plus there is a whole boatload of art
that could be adapted for the machine.

Keith Handley  kehandley@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: "terry cumming" <terry.cumming@canrem.com>
Subject: happy new year
Reply-To: "terry cumming" <terry.cumming@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:28:38 EST

Hello Mike Hanley (aka Kosta).
Good to hear from you. Happy New Year. I'll talk to you in January
and maybe we can get together. I check for mail every day so you can
contact me here. Say hello to Christine and Tommy.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: New Pin:  CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON (Bally)
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:58:03 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ  07764

In article <78751@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt2807a@prism.gatech.edu writes:
>  A new pin was installed in the Galleria mall (Atlanta) arcade on Tuesday and
>I had the fortunate privilege of being the very first person to get to play
>it.  The game is Bally's "Creature from the Black Lagoon".

Quick question for those lucky enough to have these pins available--
Who were the designers of:

WhiteWater?
Creature from the Black Lagoon?

Thanks
-- 

Bennett Broder               Monmouth College
                             Computer Services
ben@monmouth.edu             W. Long Branch, NJ 07764
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg)
Subject: Re: Matching
Reply-To: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:38:21 GMT

Joe Schwartz writes:
>>	This may be a dumb question, but is matching really random?

Jimmy Blair writes:
>I think this deserves to go in the FAQ list.
>
>The match numbers are not truly random.  Modern pinballs allow the operator
[...]

   I think there's a somewhat modern pin with random matches... the one with
the roulette wheel (Monte Carlo?).  Then again, it does seem to occasionally
pretend not to notice a matched ball...

						Jens
From: bradam@corvair.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Martinson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Nitro Ground shaker Manuals?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:33:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: corvair

Bought a Nitro Ground Shaker over the weekend, and it came without any paper. 
I seem to have lost the list that shows Who Has What Game And Is Willing To 
Make Manual & Schematics Copies - could the keeper of the list contact me, 
please?  Or, if you have one of these and would be willing to provide some
paperwork for a reasonable fee, feel free to contact me, too.

Thanks!

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From: overturf@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Dallas Overturf)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Pinball pricing comparison?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:48:22 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbootay.sw.stratus.com

In article <1992Dec18.152407.17488@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> ccullen@ops-2.Naitc.Com (Carolyn Cullen) writes:
>Just as I have finally forced myself to get used to the 50/75/$1
>pricing, now some very new games, like Dr. Who and Creature from
>the Black Lagoon, are 50cents/game, period, around here.  I know
>it's operator configurable, but I wondered if this is yet another
>widespread coming trend.  Makes me just as happy to play the games
>that are still a quarter, like Cyclone, Earthshaker and Mousin' Around.
>
>Info? opinions?
>e-mail is fine, if it's before Dec. 31st.
>
>Thanks
>Carolyn

Yup:  Expect to see pinball heading for $1.00 per game in the
relatively near future.  A few places are already there.
when you realize the cost has barely chagned since the late 70's
you'll realize that it is well overdue.  The main things that have
changed are:  That the game time is apparently longer but the replays
are usually much harder to get and fewer of them in most cases.

Hopefully if and when the price of pinball catches up with
inflation; at least one of the "lost" replay levels (used to be 3 
and specials, now just 1 and special and HSTD; and HSTD is not
much good for folks that are not very good even when they have a 
good game) will be restored; however I'm betting it will not return
to use again now that it has been taken away.  (Note:  The levels
still exist, but by default they are not normally used and hardly any
operator adds in the second or third level).

There has also at times been speculation to the removal of replays
leaving only Extra Balls.  From discussions I've had with some 
of the folks from the Manufacturers this is not likely to
happen soon if at all (Hope that is true!).


		Regards,	Dallas...

Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball