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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:03:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.221925.2247@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Ars longa, Melmon brevis.  I can't wait to hear your opinion of books
>and plays, especially "old" ones.  ("How DARE you call 'Starlight
>Express' trash--obviously you don't know much about producing a
>theatrical production which GROSSED 100 MILLION IN THE PAST 8
>YEARS!!!")   I don't know whether to giggle or drone "the horror,
>the horror."
>
>In any event, Matthew, Madonna has a fair chance of becoming
>the Debbie Harry of the 21st century.

Debbie Harry, of course, is both the Lulu and the Leslie Gore of the '70s 
(or is that '80s?).



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:23:16 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>>
>>Well, one sterotype is that repressed homosexual men subconsciously
>>choose an ugly wife.  Danny boy certainly meets *that* criterion.
>
>Another, arguably more damaging, stereotype is that human
>beings are "ugly." We are raised in an environment that
>ineluctably creates an aesthetic supplying such imagery to
>our consciousness on demand.  It is, in essence,
>irresistible.  Sorta like racism.  It is the Wrong Thing, I
>think.
>
>That said, I don't agree that Marilyn Qualye is "ugly."

OK, I can agree with that.  Let's just say that 1) I personally do
not find MQ attractive (but that shouldn't be surprizing given my
orientation), and 2) I personally find MQ repulsive for reasons
other than her appearance.  I guess the same is true for my own
"ugly" ex-wife.

>What's ugly is that in terms of the correspondences between
>so-called good looks and clearly unacceptable behavior, her
>husband has more in common with Jeffrey Dahmer than with
>anyone else.

*That* is one I don't care to share a name with.

-jeff [who up to this point has prided himself in not having pushed any
"hot" buttons on the net.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elaine@ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: burnout
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:40:56 GMT

: I feel that the worst thing we can do is to be quiet closet
: queers.  

I agree 100%.  If the religious right wins in either Oregon or Colorado
or even comes close to winning there will be ballot measures all over the
place next fall.

Taking care of yourself is important.  Knowing when you need a break is
important.  I'm glad that there are other HP'ers who are willing to speak
out so that I don't feel so alone.  There is strength in numbers.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:03:48 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct15.190433.22427@infonode.ingr.com>
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>-jeff [who, having tried and failed to drive a wedge
>between Arne and JNS, has been flirting with JD and trying
>to tempt Jess and is hoping for an invitation to be a camp
>counselor...  or maybe cook (are there any new-and-exciting
>pork recipes in Madison?)]

There's no such thing as too many camp sluts, of course, so
I'm sure you can manage to get porked by one or another set
of initials idly lolling about.  I'm not sorry you've
apparently left FJ to comfort me in the role of la Sainte
V'eronique de l'Ecstase Perpetuelle et de Jeunes Hommes.

We shall ask Him Who Cares More About It Than Any Other and
Also Boosts the Gay National Product to set up a foundation
providing scholarships for selected worthies who manage to
ingratiate themselves to the management.

I should thing your three week session in Spare Ribs and
Sluts should be nearly our most popular offering (don't
worry Nelson, I shall make *sure* there's a Tofu Tarts
section as well).

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:21:11 GMT

A thought: Is Twiggy an icon?

John, wondering if he should duck

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:35:23 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <ldr7f1INNguq@spim.mti.sgi.com>
>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>>Now, here's a question for you [Stever Dyer] ...  If you
>>were given the opportunity to have a one on one lunch with
>>Jesse Helms, would you take the invitation?  I certainly
>>would...  What about you?

>I presume you would agree to this in hope of doing
>something, *anything*, to get him to use his powers in less
>oppressive ways.

I'd agree to it so's I could poison his potatoes.

--
John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

			Dark. Handsome. 6 feet tall.
		  31 flavors? I believe he's got 'em all!
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Advocate" editor interviewed on CNN
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 21:47:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct8.220211.18370@midway.uchicago.edu>

Ellen Keyne Seebacher makes me cackle with fiendish glee:

>In article <Bvq3Gy.9wF@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>Aww, Tucker Quayle _again_?  Or do you mean "*really* big" in a
>>different sense?

>Tucker's not only small game, he's too young to be influential even if he
>were speaking out against us, which he isn't.

>On the other hand, a number of reporters for GLBO papers have been
>tracking the _DAN_ Quayle rumor for four years now, but can't get anyone
>willing to talk on the record.

>Ellen Keyne Seebacher

If only someone could confirm those rumors that Danny Q. is a Tucker fucker,
the next sound you'd hear would be the Republican Right slithering out of our
lives forever!

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Glossolalia (was Re: Fresh from the oven)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:37:47 GMT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <thaaang.719136730@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
said:
>
>>My lover was raised in a southern fundamentalist
>>pentecostal speaking-in-tongues family.
>
>Another interesting factoid about me, me, me: I can speak in tongues.
>Learned how to at what is probably the best place: Foursquare Gospel
>Church camp (very fundy, in case you haven't heard of it). This was
>maybe 10 years ago, but I can still do it whenever I think to test
>myself. It sounds kind of Arabian or Indian. I wonder if there's
>anything to it? I wonder if the Holy Spirit guides my voice? I wonder
>if it's given me greater aptitude at oral sex?
>
>John, mystical
>
>--
>John Dorrance * Alleged Homosexual/Shameless Hussy * thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

The act of speaking in tongues has been the subject of considerable
research in some circles of linguistics, where is it referred to as
glossolalia. Although I'm no expert, rather than being some manifestation
of some heavenly language, glossolalia is heavily influenced by the
phonology of the native language of the speaker. It is also highly
redundant or repetitive. Perhaps Arnold has something to add...

Gary Byma
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: elton john
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:09:36 GMT


In a previous article, elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) says:

>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>i just saw elton john say he was a gay man on mtv.
>>>was he out before this?
>>
>>He came out as bi in the early Seventies.
>
>...and then as gay, last year.  Said he'd finally realized women just
>didn't do it for him, and he was much happier self-identifying as gay.
>

I saw Elton John on the Whoopi Goldburg show last night.  He said he was 
happy, in love, and at peace for the first time in his life.

He also made a comment on his marriage.

He said the only reason he married was that he hoped she could "change him".
He added that the feeling was silly, and selfish, and ended up with everyone
getting hurt.

Having gone through exactly the same thing my self, I can attest--it's true.


>--                    __
>Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
>
-- 
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****************Know God...No peace.  No God...Know peace.***************
From: mscott@mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Scott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Culture (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:28:40 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

>
> In article <1992Oct13.044834.19221@macc.wisc.edu>
> macc.eisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
> >Wrote an opera, n'est-ce pas?
>
> >No exact equivalent in English of "n'est-ce pas", I think.
>
> Wrote an opera, right?
>
> Seems about right, n'est-ce pas?
>

Seems about right, eh wot?

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: PASSING by Langston Hughes
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:24:33 GMT

mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:

>> 			       PASSING
>> 			   Langston Hughes
>> 
>There's a movie from the '30's that deals with this theme -- I can't
>remember the name of it.  It has to do with a mother-daughter
>relationship in which the daughter decides to pass.  Anyone out there 
>know what I'm talking about?  Arne would know, but he's taking a break, 
>more's the pity.

You could mean "Imitation of Life," directed by Douglas Sirk. A black woman,
whose daughter could pass as white, moves in with a white actress. The 
daughter grows up pretending to be a white girl. The audience cries 
when the mother vists her daughter at school, and the daughter is embarrased
that her schoolmates now know she isn't white. Then she grows up and runs 
away, to become a showgirl. The audience cries again when the mother vists 
her daughter, who tells her to get out, and says something like "I just 
wanna look at you, baby." Then the mother dies. The audience is overcome by
grief when the daughter repents her actions and throws herself, screaming and
weeping, onto her mother's casket.

It's an excellent "family melodrama," which I'll recommend highly. Take tissues.
It's also relevant if you like David Lynch - Sirk was a major influence on 
his direction. Almodovar is also a fan.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
There's a doctor here who thinks I'm thin and beautiful.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Motsser-authors (was Re: Motssers in history)
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:51:29 GMT

elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Truly.  And the list of their publications would be even larger.  To quote
>a recent posting by a certain Louie Crew in misc.writing:

>     The last 1456 publishers to look at my work have averaged 2.1
>     months deciding. ... The last 440 to publish my work have
>     averaged 6.7 months between acceptance and publication.

>("The last 440"?  Some of us are jealous.)

	I'm writing as fast as I can!

	So far I'm about 2.5 months (sample size of 2).  Considering
it goes to a editor then referee, back to me, back to the referee
then to the editor again, that's pretty fast.  Depending on the
journal this time can average up to a year (I've seen longer).
Of course I'm sitting on one at the "back to me" stage (damn referee
was right) and that will blow the 2.5mo figure away...  :-(
If I were running a race against Louie, I think I just tripped
on my shoelaces...  :-)

BBC
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:10:55 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
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In article <1992Oct8.162331.29864@oracle.us.oracle.com>, schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles) writes:
|> In article <36444@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes:
|> |>If you are going to spend $2000 on a suit, why not find a tailor
|> |>and get one made perfectly and exactly to your specifications with
|> |>all the material and lining exactly as you want?
|> |>
|> |>no criticism here, just curiosity...
|> |>
|> 
|> Good question.  Maybe because it doesn't have that all-important
|> designer label?


Because most people do not have the talents to design a truly stylish 
suit.  Most tailors are skilled when it comes to designing basic suits,
and are also experienced at modifying other people's suits.  However,
if you have a tailor who has the ability to design a suit which is of
$2000 you will find that they will be designing suits for a living, not
working as a tailor.


FWA
-Grandson of a tailor
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: soc.motss FAQ
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:58:13 GMT
Organization: NIST

This never showed up at my site, so I will try again...

In a previous article, jct@mips.com (Chris Thomas), caretaker of the FAQ,
wrote:

>306. Was he the first openly gay or lesbian elected official in U.S.?
>    No.  In 1974, Elaine Noble was elected to the Massachusetts
>legislature.  She served a few terms and then decided to pursue
>interests outside of elective politics.  In 1991 she ran an unsuccessful
>campaign to gain a seat on the Cambridge MA city council.

In the October 9, 1992, issue of David Magazine, is the same question,
the answer:

Kathy Kozachenko, to the Ann Arbor, MI, city council in April, 1974.

Anyone know anything about this?  The election for state legislature is
probably in November, so this may be the correct answer.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:51:59 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Oct7.191518.9762@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith) writes:
> One person already doesn't know, so the answer is already discouraging.
> Also, if they think they remember seeing her in "Blazing Saddles", give
> partial credit.

  It's twooo. Care for some more shnitzengruben? 

		Mike, who knows better but only barely.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: The Lonster (was: Re: Oregon on Today Show this morning)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.163652.27763@Princeton.EDU>, elliott@courant.princeton.edu (Frank W. Elliott) writes:
> >   And it was said that his sphinchter was *three* *sizes* too small.
> >
>   I was under the impression that it could admit his head.

    Oh, Oh! Is *that* where they got the model for that cute 
"OCA, where's your head at?" tee shirt we got while we were
in Portland. I was wondering.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Oregon's Voters' Pamphlet
Date: 8 Oct 92 06:35:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct8.063512.14445
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Measure No. 9
Argument in Favor

Accordign to the book of LEVITICUS in the Bible, OYSTER-EATING, CROSSBREEDING
CATTLE, SHAVING A BEARD, WEARING CLOTHING MADE OF MIXED FIBERS, CURSING ONE'S
PARENTS and ADULTERY are just as immoral as HOMOSEXUALTIY.  If the OCA's
"No Special Rights" Committee wants to take one of the 3,000 year old laws
of ritual holiness from Leviticus and put it into the Bill of Rights in the
state constitution, they should be sincere enough to put all the rest of 
LEVITICUS into the constitution as well.  It's a simple matter of respect
for these historic laws to treat them consistently.

We at the SPECIAL RIGHTEOUSNESS COMMITTEE are just as offended by 
homosexuality, and we have just as much right as the OCA does to change the 
state constitution to require government discrimination against people whose
behavior we don't like.

My friends, do you want the publick schools teaching your children
that shaving is a legitimate and equal alternative style to a normal
and healty beard?  Would you want to be forced to hire and oyster-eater
to direct your church choir?  Adam and Eve wore fig leaves -100
percent fig leaves- and this is divine proof that those disgustingly 
unnatural cotton/polyester blends are sinful.  And when the OCA was
analyzing the threat to traditional family values, we don't know how
they managed to overlook adultery!  Why, there's a lot more adultery than
homosexuality going on out there, and extrapolations from OCA statistics
show that 90 PERCENT of the people who have engaged in SEXUAL PERVERSIONS are
HETEROSEXUAL ("straight").

The state condones adultery by not punishing it with DEATH as required by
LEVITICUS.  It promotes oyster-eating by licensing seafood restaurants, and 
it allows people to take mixed fibers out of the closet and to flaunt them
right out in public without being fired or evicted!  The state is encouraging
sin!

If the OCA can have the special right to make their personal moral agenda 
into public policy, then anyone else also should be able to amend the
Bill of Rights to eliminate basic human rights for people who they don't
like.

Let's put ALL of LEVITICUS into the constitution!  A "yes" vote is the
first step in facilitating our militant moral aganda.

AREEE WITH US OR BURN IN HELL!

Special Righteousness Committee
P.O. Box  1851
Portland, Oregon  97201



_________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:04:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

Somewhere else Melinda wrote:

> Of course I'm not reading what he's [me] saying.  He's been in
> my kill file for quite some time now.  You'll find, as a
> result, that I'm not responding to what he's saying.  What
> I am responding to is your [J. Dauber] Celebration of Stupidity.  Why
> on earth anyone could possibly consider anti-
> intellectualism to be a good thing completely escapes me.

Melinda's kill file is a comfy place to be.  I wouldn't mind being
in a few other people's kill files, either.  But on to the charge
of anti-intellectual - I am, it's true.  They give me unsightly
rashes.  Send me into fits of violent convulsions.  I *hate*
intellectuals.  IckyIckyYukYuks. Piiii-tooiieeee.  I spit on
the graves of intellectuals.  I burn their books and laugh at 
their paychecks...  Ahh-hah hah hah haahhhhh.  (Unfortunately,
I tend to laugh at my own paycheck...  <snifle>).

But actually, it is less the intellectual than the the individual
who goes from, "I think, therefore I am" to "All I do is think,
therefore I am *really* *hot* *shit*" bullshit that I do wish
I could drive over in a *very* *large* *tank*  Oh, to hear their
bones go crushey-crunch and their bodies go squishy-squooo!  I'm
getting an erection just thinking about all the blood and the 
intellectual squeals for mercy!  

"Oh, I say, this is most uncivilized, you fascist barbarian swine!
Do stop.  Do."

Never!  Death to intellectuals!

Mu-ahh ahhh ahhh ahhhhhhh.

Die proto-intellectual yuppie scum from Hell!  Die, die, die 
horrible bloody deaths on the Fields of Elyceum!  Har, har, har...
(we're all butt-pirates here, are we not?  Bottoms up, yee
mateys!  Time to mate!)

Melmothra, ACC
From: doretta@agora.rain.com (Doretta Schrock)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:19:34 GMT
Organization: Open Communications Forum

In article <ldoun7INNr11@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.183409.22436@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu 
>
>....  Having dined with Phil
>Ronzone, I have found that though we have differing opinions on almost
>every topic, we do not have to stoop to insults.  Why can't you do
>the same?
>
Beautiful, Jeff.  You posting parses roughly: insult, whine, insult, insult
insult, whine.

What was that nifty catch word we were discussing?

Oh yeah, "hypocrite," that was it.

Maybe Melinda is right and you and Mr. Ronzone have more in common
than you think.  See, if you are going to be against insulting people,
you can't just apply it to the people *you* don't feel like insulting.
That makes it a rather meaningless position, don't you know.

Doretta
doretta@lily.arts.com
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:09:40 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

If you are going to spend $2000 on a suit, why not find a tailor
and get one made perfectly and exactly to your specifications with
all the material and lining exactly as you want?

no criticism here, just curiosity...

Laura
.



-- 
    Since Ryan White was buried in April 1990, his grave has been vandalized
    four times.

    (this news courtesy Rod Williams rjwill6@pacbell.com)

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:58:35 GMT


Well, with my ex, it was "Tiger" and "Wabbit"  (sheesh).

I also know a family in Michigan who have names for all their children:

"Bougie" "Netiferd" "Peetsie" "Mooney" "Cocker" "Buck" 


...and for those of you who prefer the French endearments:

"Mon petit chou"                 (My little cabbage)
"Mon poulet"                     (My chicken)
"Mon grand bichou"               (My big buck)
"Ma cocotte"                     (My hen)
"Ma Tourterelle"                 (My dove)
"Mon minet"                      (My kitten)
"Ma Puce"                        (My Flea)

I shall not embarass myself and explain which of the above is in my (our) 
current vocabulary.


<grin>

-- 

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