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From: M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr (Marc Kossa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: How to say that ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:43:37 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Saluton !
Mi estas nov al Esperanto, mi havas ("a little question" = ?) pri
("pronunciation" = ?). Kiel oni diras "auxto" ?
Kiel estas la diferencon fonetikon inter "auxto" kaj "auto" ?
Bonvole, respondas en anglo !
Dankon.

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From: M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr (Marc Kossa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Francaj esperantistoj ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:47:35 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Saluton.
Are there any french people reading this list ?
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From: M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr (Marc Kossa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: How to say that ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:32:11 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


Saluton !
Mi estas nov al Esperanto, mi havas ("a little question" = ?) pri
("pronunciation" = ?). Kiel oni diras "auxto" ?
Kiel estas la diferencon fonetikon inter "auxto" kaj "auto" ?
Bonvole, respondas en anglo !
Dankon.

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"Soyez sage les enfants"                        - Robocop in "Robocop"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu (Ricxjo Muelisto)
Subject: Re: Citajhoj esperantaj, por komputilo?
Summary: Komputil-SXerco
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:51:35 GMT

Harri (kaj miaj aliaj amikoj),  <--- Whoa!  Can you say "alliteration"?

Mi ne havas dosieron tial vi petis, sed mi dezirus traduki komputilsxerco
por vi.  Bonvolu, diri al mi viajn opiniojn...

	Se "fervojo-stacio" estas kie trajn stopas,
	 kaj "auxtobus-stacio" estas kie auxtobus stopas,
	  do kio estas "laboro-stacio"?  :-)

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>
From: JLIECHTY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Jon Liechty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Interlingua (Yawn)
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:04:47 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


	Paul, you received several flames in response to your initial
posting.  You also received several very calm, coherent answers.  You
seem to be ignoring all of them.
	What, for instance, does it take for a language to "flourish"?
Evidently a steadily-growing wealth of cultural product doesn't count
in your opinion...so what does a language really need?  If the large
body of literature and music appearing each month in Esperanto is not
enough, then what, according to you, are we missing?
	Once again, I ask you: which prominent members of the Esperanto
movement are you accusing of not knowing Esperanto?  I want to see names.
	If you've been keeping up AT ALL with this group, you've noticed
that we HAVE BEEN, in fact, debating a couple of changes to Esperanto.
The necessity of the accusative case and the introduction
of a masculine suffix to match the feminine are two that come to mind.
The debate throughout most of this has been impassioned, but never
unreasoned.  We've been seriously considering ways to make Esperanto
better almost every day for the past several weeks.  Your repeated
denunciations of close-mindedness make it sound very much as though you
haven't been reading anything but responses to your post.
	In spite of your accusation of "certain prominent Esperantists",
YOU still haven't posted so much as a _word_ of the language you claim to
favor.  This is not a flame--it's fact.  Surely it's not too much to ask
you to send us something?  I've never seen anything in Interlingua before,
and I'd love the chance to look over a sample.  If you want to help your
cause along and avoid being flamed, that's the best way.  Tell us how
you use Interlingua.  Tell us about the books you've read (or written),
the radio programs you've heard, the conventions you've attended, the
magazines you receive.
	You see, to me a language needs cultural activity of some kind
in order to be taken seriously.  Even if the only Esperanto books ever
published were Zamenhof's many translations, they would still be interesting,
and Esperanto would still be worth some amount of study.  Marjorie Boulton's
poetry, Julio Baghy's fiction, Flavio Fonseca's music...I learned Esperanto
in order to be able to appreciate and enjoy things like these.  Not because
I thought Esperanto was perfect.  Not because I cared whether it really
was "totally regular" or not.  Not because I cared how it expressed the
accusative.
	You've said twice that Esperanto must change.  It certainly will;
it has already changed many times, and will no doubt continue to do so.
Whether it will change in the ways you'd like...that's a different question.
You've said that Esperanto may someday die.  So may all of the rest.
We'll just have to wait and see.  If it dies, will it die for lack of
the changes you propose?  How do you plan to live long enough to answer
that question?
		-Jon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
From: LAWCROWN@NUSVM.bitnet (Barry Crown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: RE: REQUEST
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:07:50 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 22:22:35 SST

David Wolff <DWOLFF@RES-C4.Prime.COM> skribas:

>Sube trovu utilan liston, kion mi disdonas al novuloj.  Se vi dissendos
>g^in, bv. gardi la lastan (kreditigan) linion.
>

Mi ne s^atas kritiki, c^ar mi pensas ke c^i tiu listo estas ege utila,
sed s^ajnas al mi ke estas du eraretoj (eble nur tajp-eraroj) en la listo.
Se mi eraras pri tio, mi esperas, ke iu korektos min.

>Ankorau~ mi / La same ................... Me too / The same

Mi pensas, ke estas pli bone diri "same" anstatau^ "la same".  Mi dubas, c^u
oni rajtas meti "la" antau^ adverbo, sed eble mi eraras pri tio.

>C^u plac^as al vi kafo? Teo? ............ Would you like coffee? Tea?

Lau^ mi, tiu frazo signifas, "Do you like tea?"  Alivorte, en Esperanto
"C^u plac^as al vi teo?" signifas "C^u vi s^atas teon?"  La respondo povus
esti, "Jes, sed mi ne volas trinki nun!"

Eble la skribanto de la vortlisto volis diri "C^u plac^us al vi teo?"  Mi ne
scias c^u Esperantistoj ofte uzas c^i tiun frazon, sed mi scias ke g^i aperas
en la kurso "Jen Nia Mondo" de John Wells.  Pro tio mi hezitas kritiki tiun
uzadon de la kondicionalo, sed mi devas konfesi ke mi ne tro s^atas g^in.

PAG [para 116 (b)] donas tri ekzemplojn de la uzado de la kondicialo.  La tria
estas "se temas pri peto au^ demando, kiun oni, pro g^entileco, prezentas
kvazau^ neefektiva: 'mi dezirus ac^eti tiujn gantojn; c^u mi povus havi panon?
mi volus scii, c^u ...' "

Estas interese, ke PAG ne sukcesis trovi Zamenhofajn ekzemplojn por la tria
uzado de la kondicialo.  S^ajnas al mi, ke tiu uzado estas traduko de
okcident-eu^ropa esprim-maniero.  Certe la frazo "C^u plac^us al vi teo?"
sonas kiel traduko de la angla, sed eble paraleloj ekzistas en aliaj
okcident-eu^ropaj lingvoj.

La g^usta uzado de la tempoj estas ege malfacila por parolantoj de
ne-eu^ropaj lingvoj, ec^ kiam temas pri iliaj ordinaraj funkcioj.  Lau^
mia opinio ne necesas enkonduki en internacian lingvon la etajn nuancojn
de la uzado de la tempoj, kiuj estas tipaj de eu^ropaj lingvoj.

Finfine, se oni volas oferti al iu teon, mi proponas ke oni diru simple,
"C^u vi volas teon?"  Tio estas tre simpla kaj pli internacia formo.

>
>(Thanks to Grace Cali for original list. _Lupoprodukto_ 3/90)


Barry
From: chungdan@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: [mals^paremo] iu Usona sanvic^(?)-vendejo [povo resendi]
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: chungdan@leland.stanford.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.esperanto
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


     Mi ne diras kie, sed iu sanvic^-vendejo ("sanvic^"-o: Brita mang^aj^o;
dankon al tiu, kiu antau'-foje pos^tis al me pri "pico") en Usono estas
mals^parema.  Iu diras al me, ke kiam oni ac^etas rul-pana sanvic^o, ili
eltiras panaj^on el centro de la rul-pano kaj *forj^etas* tiun panaj^on
al rubejo.  Komence, mi ne kredis, sed mi j^us vidis, ke tio estas la vero!
La punkto estas, ke tiu forj^etasj^o estas *bona* mang^ebla
pano.  Kia neeskapebla (?) mals^paremo.  Ne rilatas al la kulturo.

					*Zhong* Qi-Iao, Usono
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From: shoulson@CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mark E. Shoulson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Bundle messages...
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:16:27 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

No, I also would rather get messages singly rather than as a digest.  I
don't use a sorting daemon like Prentiss does, but I manage okay.  Maybe
someone on a different system might feel differently.

~mark
From: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Biman Airlines
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:28:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.009600F3.B5B52940
Reply-To: umera@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Montana State University

In article <3392@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, mathur@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Anup Mathur) writes:
>
>Hi, I want to find out if Biman flies to BDesh from the East Coast
>thru Europe. If so can someone please mail me their telephone number
>(800 number??).
>
>Your help will be appreciated.
>
>                                                - anup

No, Biman does not fly from East Coast.  As far as I know, the government
level approval from both sides is being finalized.  Currently Biman is
trying to add another DC-10 in its fleet to cover the new route.  However,
Biman Bangladesh Airline has several flights from different cities of
Europe to Dhaka.

By the way, recently I had the chance to visit the new aircraft maintenance
hanger at Dhaka airport.  I must say it is quite immpressive with all the
latest equipment.  I was told that it is one of the largest not only in the
sub-continent area but also in the south Asia region.  It is a big asset
for Bangladesh.  I hope we can keep it in its present state.

-- Ruhul Amin
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: News
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:27:07 GMT
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

In article 92Sep2125232@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
[lots of news deleted - thanks for posting it.]

>Italy will help set up 10 leather product manufacturing projects in
>bangladesh through providing technology and know how. Products like
>leather garments gloves, wallets, bags, shoe-uppers and belts will be
>produced by those units entirely for export. 60% of the products would
>be marketed in Italy and the rest could be exproted to other parts of
>Europe. 

This is a strong testament to the tenacity and hard work of young
Bangladeshi entrepreneurs. I know one person who spent over ten 
years of his life working on improving the technology of Bangladeshi
leather industry. This is a particularly notable achievement considering
that the secrets of leather finishing are jealously guarded by the 
Italian manufacturing houses, which developed them over generations.

Let's hope that leather becomes as much, or more of a success that 
the garment industry has become for Bangladesh.

- Ihtisham Kabir
From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: SpicMacay:L. Subramaniam(violin):LEC-DEM:Sep23:FREE
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:25:03 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

			      Violin Virtuoso


                             Dr. L. SUBRAMANIAM


				accompanied
			    on the MRIDANGAM by
				  GANESH

                        Wednesday Sept. 23, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
   		     Crystal Cove Auditorium, Student Center
			   University of California
				   Irvine


		**ALSO AT:
		 US International Univ., SAN DIEGO. Sept. 24th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
		**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:

                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 745-2917 (Kartik)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: narayan@ics.uci.edu (sanjiv)
			   anantk@usc.edu (anant)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. 
Dr. Subramaniam will present the Violin as a Carnatic music instrument
and explain the subtleties of Indian music.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------

 405 south or 5 South
 exit Jamboree go right
 left at campus
 right at bridge (2nd light)
 left at Pereira (1st light) 
 enter parking garage on the left.
 Crystal Cove is in the Student Center opp from the garage,

 PARKING: $ 2 per car.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: anam@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anam Magsudul)
Subject: private university
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:11:42 GMT

Recently I read a news about opening a private
university near Banani, Dhaka and asking for application
for faculty position ( I guess part time). The news was
deleted when I wanted to go thourgh it elaborately next
time. Can someone post a news about the terms and conditions
of the job and the required background and where to apply?

Thank you.


Maqsudul Anam
Department of Computing Science
University of Alberta 
Edmonton
Alberta T6G 2H1
CANADA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Bangladeshis in India
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:54:15 GMT

		Bangladeshis in India

	To answer our friend's question-in the past few months there
have been a number of reports in Indian papers about the increasing number
of Bangladeshis migrating to India. There is supposed to be a fairly large
colony in Delhi, though I do not recall the population figures.
	No government action will be taken against them unless the BJP comes 
to power at the centre, which is not likely for a few years.
	However, knowing the kind of crap which happens in India (and indeed
other South Asian countries), we can expect a strong anti-foreigner agitation
against these migrants in the regions where the BJP is strong. I suppose
even those Bengalis who are settled in North India for generations will
be harassed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: utpal@solan.unit.no (Ganguly Utpal)
Subject: Sahidul Huque Manik
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:12:17 GMT

Keywords: Manik still waiting for your E-mail no. at New Brunswick University.Get
in touch the soonest possible.
From: chandan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ikramuddin Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: The kids are gone vacationing!
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: chandan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ikramuddin Ahmed)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: chandan@huey.cc.utexas.edu

What's wrong with all the SCB zealots? I guess this is that time of the year
when they take a break from school and/or lose their access to their computer
accounts. Tsk, tsk,... :-)

IA

ps: Flames are welcome, but only on the net, please.
-- 
(:-{>
[signed]
From: hossain@ee.rochester.edu (Razak Hossain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Travel Agents Info
Keywords: For Going Home
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:27:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Can anyone recommend a good travel agent for Biman Tickets. The prices
should be reasonable and the travel agent efficient. ( I have yet to 
experience a desi travel agent who actually calls back after saying
that they will) Also, a 800 number would be nice, but is not essential.

I read today in MNS that the BJP in India is actively trying to have
illegal Bangladeshis in India sent Back. I have heard from informal sources
that their are large colonies of Bangladeshi beggars in Delhi. Does
any one have any idea as to how many bangladeshis are in India and
what they do ? 

I appreciate any help.

Regards,
Raza
From: husain@plains.NoDak.edu (Abu Husain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Need Help
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:40:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20123
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I am trying to find out one of my old friend, who I belive 
living in OKLAHOMA CITY. He came in this country long time
ago.

His name : Md. Humayun Kabir.
He is from Shajahanpur,Dhaka. He was a student of Noter Dame
college ('76).
I am known to him by my nick name JEWEL.

Any help in contacting him will be greatly appreciated.

Abu Husain (Jewel)

email : husain@plains.NoDak.edu
phone # (701) 241-2165

217 Churchill Hall, N.D.S.U.
Fargo, ND  58105
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Help Somalia
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 00:33:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Folks, when we (Bangladeshis) have a natural calamity, the world
reaches out to help. While Bangladesh is still poor and cannot afford
to donate generously, those of us lucky enough to hold professional
jobs in the West can do so.

It is now we can lend a hand to the Somalis in their hour of need.
I believe the ICRC, OXFAM, and Save the Children are accepting 
donation (there are probably many others).

I urge you to join me in helping in any way you can.

Hassan
From: zsardar@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Ziak Sardar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangladeshis in India
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:26:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

In article <65164@cup.portal.com>, hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) writes:
> The BJP has already started its agitation against Bengali economic
> refugees. Their claims include:
> 
> The details are in misc.news.southasia.

The details included the "Human rights violation" by Bangladesh, where
as only today I was reading a report in " Far Eastern Economic Review"
which stated that in asia only Japan has a better position for "Individual
Freedom" than Bangladesh.

> 
> 
> Hassan


Zia A Karim Sardar
From: ghosh%bailey@cs.yale.edu (Bhaskar Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: question about bangladeshi names
Date: 3 Sep 1992 12:36:26 -0400
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
NNTP-Posting-Host: sinatra.na.cs.yale.edu


In recent years, i observe on Bangladeshi TV and on this newsgroup,
the common practice of people writing their name in the form
<firstname-lastname-nickname> - eg. Hassan Alam Poltu, Jainal Abedin
Koli and the likes. This a most interesting.

Any idea how this got started ? I haven't come across this phenomenon
in my studies of the history or literature of pre-1947 East Bengal.
Is is an exclusively Bangladeshi phenomenon ?  It can't be something
"Bengali" - I do not see this in West Bengal. Is it exclusively a
Muslim practice in Bangladesh ? - i haven't found (until now)
Bangaldeshi Hindus do the same.

Waiting to be illuminated. 

- bhaskar.
-- 
===============================================================================
Bhaskar Ghosh   	    		"Tomar pujar chholey, 
ghosh@cs.yale.edu  @yalecs.bitnet        Tomay bhulei thaki"- Robithakur
===============================================================================
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Biman Airlines
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 20:12:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Not clear if they do fly to JFK. They were listed on the OAG August
schedule with the "Pending Govt. Approval" provisio. In September
they were dropped.

This happened once before, so not clear what is happening.

hassan
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:4660 soc.culture.indian:29503 soc.culture.pakistan:14232
From: aag8924@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Asif  Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Help - MeHarry Medical College, Nashville
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:26:09 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

My brother is coming to MeHarry Medical College at
Nashville, TN on a rather very short notice.  He
needs help with locating a place to live.  If you
are from Nashville area and can help him please
contact me at a-ahmed@uiuc.edu.

Thanks,

Asif
a-ahmed@uiuc.edu
From: mathur@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Anup Mathur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Biman Airlines
Summary: Telephone Number
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:06:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hi, I want to find out if Biman flies to BDesh from the East Coast
thru Europe. If so can someone please mail me their telephone number
(800 number??).

Your help will be appreciated.

                                                - anup