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From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Colossal Pictures (Liquid TV)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:40:08 GMT

Another great Liquid Television last night.
 
Does anyone have the address and phone number for Colossal Pictures?
 
Anything that would help me contact the producer would be helpful.
 
(I'm trying to get around calling MTV again)     
...e

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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.tv.batman
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.221505.1174@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>>Would there be interest in creating an alt group for fans of the
>>Fox network's BATMAN cartoon?  TINY TOON ADV has their own group,
>
>1) Not all sites get the alt hierarchy.

   Take me, for example.

>2) If people want us to move, we'll move.  Otherwise, there's no need to.

   No, don't move!

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From: ebumfr@ebu.ericsson.se (Mike Rembis 6259)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS:  9/29  FEAR OF VICTORY
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:04:35 GMT
Reply-To: ebumfr@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.
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              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

HELP!  Here in L.A. this episode was pre-empted by the California Angels 
baseball game.  Now I'm missing TWO episodes!  I can't stand it!


Can anyone help ?  (i.e. - copy tapes?)

[Missing FEAR OF VICTORY and [FEAT OF CLAY pt. 2)]

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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: Pepe le Pew
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:52:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.181205.7372@bcrka451.bnr.ca> isupstud@bnr.ca (Wayne Hutton) writes:
>	In the Pepe le Pew cartoons, I've notice the cat (skunk look-a-like) has more then one name.  In one episode the cat's name was Fifi.  In several others it was Penelope.  And of course there is the one with the panther that escapes from the zoo and purposely paints the stripe on her back (however, I don't think she had a name).  Can anyone out there tell me if I am correct about these names and if they know of any others.

You are quite correct about the cat's differing names.  My assumption is it is
not always supposed to be the same cat.  Incidently, you forgot the cartoon withthe Chi-hua-hua (? you know the Mexican dog) who glues a skunk fur on herself
because the other dogs laugh at her hairlessness and the original Pepe cartoon
in which the cat is a male! (Pepe's name was Stinky for this first cartoon).

Michael
   - Eet is love at first site. Ees it not? Non? 
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: BTAS: Two Face pt I
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:25:27 GMT

My feeling, having seen all the episodes so far, was that this episode (by
far) was the most visually powerful of the series up until now.  I don't
mean the animation quality was the best (it was very good), but the episode
moved extremely smoothly, and was chock-full of disturbing imagery (way
before Two-Face was revealed.)

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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Batman: TAS 9/30 Batman in my basement
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 07:48:16 GMT

In <1992Oct1.154615.13411@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>I did like the interpretation of the Penguin.  Much, much, MUCH
>better than what BATMAN RETURNS gave us.

Interestingly enough, he seems to have been modeled after the character in
the film physically (flipper hands, hair is similar); but the character is
more classic Penguin.  My only real complaint is that Paul Williams may
physicall resemble the Penguin, but his voice is not quite distinctive
enough here (he could work on it a bit, though.)

                           "As we were walking around in the store, Marilyn
                            and I were just really impressed by all of the
                            novelties and the different types of little things
                            that you could get for Christmas.  And all the
                            people that would help you, they were dressed up
                            in things that said, ``I believe in Santa
                            Claus.''  And the only thing that I could think
                            is that I believe in George Bush."
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: "BoB" Owns Speilberg (Subgenius Influence in 
Keywords: Bob,subgenius,Xist
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.171157.2755@nic.csu.net> jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:
>
>Excuse me please, for acting blonde [the color of my hair], but WHAT'S BoB!!!?
>Jennifer

Hehehehehh...I like that!!...

BoB, also known to True Believers everywhere as His Pipeness is another name
for J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, leader of the Church of the Subgenius, a post-industrial
parody of most modern-day(and not-so modern-day) religions. Billed by "BoB"
as the "Worlds First Industrial Religion", basic tenets of the faith surround
the concept of "Slack", i.e., getting something for nothing. The story goes
that the true, most perfect subgenious ill be able to talk/dupe anybody into
anything up to and including killing them. Hence the commonly heard phrase
"Or kill me!". Subgenii spend their time trying to soak up
as much "Slack" from the "Pinks"(Non-subGs) before X-day, their day of 
apocalypse when the Xists will haul all the SubGs off this rock into space
on giant pleasure saucers, burning the ground(and its remaining inhabitants)
to ash...
Commanding this fleet of course, will be "BoB"

---Steve
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Batman TAS: Two-Face today (9/25)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 06:38:00 GMT

In article <mumble> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:

>Re the "cure" -- Yeah, it's almost certain.  All these Batman stories
>have to have happy endings.  Witness the "man-bat" episode.

Yeah, but the Clayface story ended with the villain loose on the
streets (ok, he was still alive so that could be seen as a happy
ending I guess) and the Crime Alley episode ended with Daggit getting
away with it (though Batman kept people from dying so that could be
seen as a happy ending too I guess) so not every episode has been a
sunny, cheerful, successful happy ending.

>Something I noticed today that has been on all the other Batman car-
>toons, only not as often.  There are PRACTICALLY NO punches to the 
>face.  TWICE in this episode, someone was stopped just before driving
>his fist into someone else's face (and I think that both times it was
>Harvey Dent, too... :).  The only time a face-punch was EVER shown was
>in that silhouette scene, and you didn't actually see the "punch", 
>just Batman's arm recoiling and the other guy's silhouette falling
>back.

I read in an interview that facial punches are considered to be too
violent by whatever board of censors the show has to get past so they
are forced to use shadows or indirect methods to indicate most of the
violence.  

>Funny, eh?  (Of course, I'm still laughing about Man-Bat's pants 
>staying on him after the transformation... :)

Just like the Incredible Hulk!  Must be a special side-effect of all
physical transformations.... 8-)


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: DreamCon 6 Information
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:11:57 GMT

Well, as someone involved in II-V of the 'other' DreamCon, I'd like to take a 
second to plug it.  It will be held in Kirksville MO sometime in the spring.  
Unfortunately, the group's three major sources for animation (Me, MKA and DD) 
have all graduated or transferred.  Provided they get a new source, I'll try to
post a listing of the stuff they'll show, otherwise followup to 
rec.games.frp.announce. }->
     Dave Van Domelen, we actually had 70 people at DreamCon V!  @whee!
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Why Arkham...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:27:42 GMT

Look at it this way:  superprisons are really expensive to build.  Although it 
would be safer to put each villain in their own prison (if you break one out 
you don't release a slew of others as well), the government is far to 
cost-conscious to do that, so it prefers to house all the really nasty 
criminals in one place.  Now, since many of the really nasty ones are also 
criminally insane, you want to be able to treat them and maybe even cure them, 
so you want them in a sanitarium of some kind.  Hence Arkham having 'sane' 
villains.  You want the insane ones at Arkham for treatment, and as long as 
you're beefing up security for a wing to hold those guys, you might as well 
stick the sane ones in there as well (besides, how sane can a guy who dresses 
up in a costume to commit crimes be?  Better watch 'em all).  Now, if Batman's 
villains become too numerous for the facilities at Arkham, you build another 
facility and move the relatively sane ones there.  But so far they can 
accommodate the ones Bats has caught so far.
     Dave Van Domelen, "Green Knight Returns" shows how 'Meddling Kids' grow up
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Review of LTV Season II, Show 2 : ...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:27:43 GMT

scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:
>>"Aeon Flux" had some spotty animation (check out when the Agent is climbing
>>through the window) and very anime-like direction in places (like the
>>bullet-hole/thermostat/eye pull-out zoom).
>>
>Is it me or is she getting clutzier and clutzier every episode?  The first one,
>she killed at least a hundred soldiers and did crazy flips all over the place
>until she finally died after five or six episodes.  Now, this season, she

Well, the guys in charge are reportedly pissed off that anyone thinks
she was "cool" given all the carnage she was inflicting.  This might
be their pathetic way to combat that.
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Fern Gully... anime or nyet?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:56:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.185228.9539@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
> 
> My question is; could Fern Gully be considered anime?

NO.

Big-budget western animation (Disney and Bluth, mostly) has some of the most
technically brilliant animation, much better than any anime I've ever seen.

Why then, do some of us prefer the technically inferior anime features?
Because these people are using the potential of animation for impressionistic
and fantasy storytelling to its full extent, instead of relegating it to the
domain of 5-year-old children.
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From: mccormic@lab4.smcm.edu (Scott McCormick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Arkham Asylum(was Re: Robin?? 9/29)
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:18:02 GMT


  
> Why would Poison Ivy be in an asylum anyways? The first time she got
> caught she got sent to that prison that Harvey Dent got built, and she
> never struck me as being insane, just having an obsession with plants. 
> The Penguin has an obsession concerning birds, but I thought in the
> comics he always simply goes to prison. Likewise, the Scarecrow has
> no mental disorders, he uses his fear toxin to commit crimes. 
> Two-face is clearly insane, but what exactly is wrong with the Joker? In
> the comic book the Joker struck me as being insane because he kills for
> no reason at all, he is a homicidal maniac! Yet, in the animated series, I
> doubt they will be able to show any of his handiwork! There is a 
> difference between a criminal genius and an _insane_ criminal genius!
> ------------
Poison Ivy was for all intents and purposes insane because of her inability to 
relate to humans.  A love of plants is one thing.  Killing to protect them while
noble is a fixation.  Penguin of all of the members of the Rouges Gallery has
never really been portrayed as anything more then a thief or a mastermind who
happens to have a bird theme to his crimes.  The other criminal with very little
pychological problem has always been Catwomen.  Two-Face or more correctly
Harvey Dent since the condition existed before the accident suffers froma multiple
personality disorder.  As for the Joker, some have said that instead of being insane 
that he is super sane, having adjusted more completly to the modern world and there
fore is a product of society.  While I don't think you could fully portray him as a homo-
cidal killer on a television cartoon, the threat that he could have killed the people at the
Commisioner's dinner or at the Mayor's party or when he gased Gotham the fact remains
that but for Batman people would have been killed.  In the comic book Batman doesn't 
always save the day, maybe we need to get used to the fact that in the animated series he 
always will at least where human life is involved.  Besides if I had my face permently 
bleached white and my hair turned green I don't know how firm a grasp I would have
on reallity.
Yours,
Scott in the middle of no where, St. Mary's College of Maryland
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BATMAN: TAS  9/21 The Clock King
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:43:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Sep22.234909.8117@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>In article <btribble.1kv8@terapin.com>, btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble) writes:
>>> Alright, my mom, who likes Batman(?) was watching today's episode (which I
>>> thought was pretty well animated) and noticed a discrepancy...in the vault,
>>> almost all the oxygen is supposed to be sucked out when the tape recorder
>>> explodes, right? How could it make such a big explosion if there was next
>>> to no oxygen in the chamber? Hmmmm? :)
>
>Many explosives don't need oxygen to explode. It's not a burning process.
>I think you can throw sticks of dynamite into fires and as long as you 
>keep the blasting caps clear you don't have to worry. You need the sudden
>burst of energy of the cap to get the sustained reaction going.

Right.  And, as it happens, I learned that in a Batman comic.

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From: mfrose@ais.org (Martin Rose)
Subject: Re: Cartoon Network
Keywords: Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:35:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.175926.17512@newshost.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>  Does anyone out there know for sure that they'll be getting the Cartoon
>Network when it starts up on October 1st? Anyone?

Our cable system recently expanded to include several new services,
including the Sci-Fi Channel and Comedy Central (FINALLY)...we have a
channel ready and waiting for the Cartoon Network. :)
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From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Robin?? 9/29
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:04:34 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

30.030437.17438@newshost.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
82@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> wildcard@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:










>   Oh, and Casey Kasem should have done his voice! :)
 
Holy Where Are They Now, Batman!  I thought I was the only one
who remembered that.

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From: dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
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Subject: Re: BTAS 9/30 Batman in my basement
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:09:25 GMT
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The Penguin episode represented Batman's first Meddling Kids episodes.
In SatAm cartoons of yesteryear kids that solved mysteries (who may or
may not have been in bands or aided by talking animals or both in the
case of "Jabberjaw") were invariably referred to as "meddling kids" or
"meddling brats" by the villain, e.g. "And my plan would have worked,
if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!!"  The Penguin opted for
"brats", but at least the kids weren't in a band.  I bet you anything
they'll appear again though.

Episodes like this fail for me, for one simple reason: ever since I
was a kid, I've hated stories about child geniuses.  What kid wants to
hear about someone his own age who is equiped to help out Batman?  And
certainly none of the college-age or adult audience that watches
Batman really wants to hear about boy geniuses either.
Batman gives the viewer time to prepare - the viewer at some point in
a fantasy future.  What self-respecting kid ever relates to kids in
these damn things anyway?  I always hated "kid" shows.

Jules Feiffer made this argument beautifully in "The Great Comic Book
Heroes" in an attack on the concept of sidekicks.  This argument also
works as an argument against the inclusion of Robin in the series as a
general principle

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From: btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS: Two-Face
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:18:36 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep29.021615.20981@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Well, the episode ended with no promised cure.  In fact, the tactic Batman
used
>to stop Two Face may have done further psychological harm, by shattering the 
>one island of stability he had.

Ah, but when Batman flipped the coin into the fountain, it landed on a "good"
head (BTW, did anyone record and look for all the references to "2" in this
episode? I'm talking about stuff like when they show the wedding thing and
above it it says "and the two shall be made one" or something similar...)

I need one of those "good head, bad head" coins! :)  Also, anyone notice that
2-face took the coin out of his "bad" side's pocket and wallet out of the
"good" side's pocket? I'm also wondering why Archie and twin were 2-face's
thugs...:)

Bobby Tribble  |8')
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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: BTAS: Two Face pt I
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:01:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.025155.20566@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>I did like the storytelling in this episode.  It was nice to see that Two Face 
>already existed as the result of a lifetime of repression and didn't spring 
>out of nowhere when Harvey was scarred.
>
>The disfigurement simply gave new 
>strength to a prexisting neurosis (yes, his condition is a neurosis, not a 
>psychosis.  PSYCH 166 taught me at least that much).

Well, I'm not a psych major, but it was obvious to me that this wasn't a 
matter of multiple personalities.  I've known people who seem to become a
different person when anger is ignited in them, in exactly the way the
show portrayed, if not more so.  Only, when they get that mad, they really
want to hurt someone (not just hit an inanimate object).  Knowing this,
I was really annoyed by the way every one of Harvey's blows was halted
"just in time" by some calm, rational friend.  (See the earlier article
by cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu.)  Just how scary are we expected to believe 
Harvey's condition is, when he has caused no damage, save a psychotherapist's
office window?
    I don't want to sound like I require a show to have violence to consider
it good.  So I offer an alternative:  don't show the fighting.  Let Harvey's
anger explode, and then, say, have him start a brawl, which we only see as
the edge of a scuffle, perhaps through a window but at an angle.
    Although, I think it was within the show's scope to show Harvey's face
immediately following the explosion.

   VGR

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