From: underdog@leland.stanford.edu (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, blah, blah, blah
Originator: cynic@mojave.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 02:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.135119.8365@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com
(Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.230330.7111@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>This, of course, ignores the obvious.  Namely, I have the utmost respect for
>>many Japanese and Western parents, who are parents for the 1st time.  They
>>_do_ consult scientific and how-to books on child-rearing in the hope of
>>rearing children in the healthiest way possible.  They _are_ concerned about
>> the modern ways of expressing love and concern for children's well being.
>  You are so stupid.  For your information my sister who took
>  the class at Harvard was advocating corporal punishment. ...
>  Get your facts straight before spouting off on stuff you
>  know nothing about.

I won't speak for Ms. Ayala's sister since I don't her.  By contrast,
Chinese-cu savages are more than willing to make speculative personal
attacks against people who air opinions that they don't like.

Ms. Ayala, my facts are straight.

Many Chinese parents know little to nothing about modern children
rearing techniques.  They think that Western books about how to raise
children are nothing more than a bunch of lies.  They think that
pre-natal and post-natal nutrition, as explained by Westerners
(and understand by the Japanese), is a crock of crap.

This is not to say that all Western (and Japanse) parents are perfect.
This is to say that they are much better parents than Chinese-cu savages.

About 3 years ago, I overhead the following conversation in a Chinese
restaurant.
                     .
                     .
                     .
   Chinese-cu woman: Is your kid afraid of you?
     Chinese-cu man: He's not afraid of my wife.  But he's
                     afraid of me.
                     .
                     .
                     .

For those Westerners (and Japanese) who aren't quite sure what this
means, I'll explain.  What they were referring to is the degree and
severity of the beatings that the man give his kid.  The Chinese-cu
woman asked whether his son received sufficient beatings to produce
adequate respect and fear of him.  The man indicated that his son was,
indeed, afraid of him.

For those who are curious, the speech of both the man and woman indicated
that they were from Hong Kong.  Further, the conversation that I overhead
was just ordinary conversation.  There was no exhibition of guilt or
anything that Western (and Japanese) parents might feel.  The way in
which the Chinese-cu man raised his kid is just average, ordinary behavior
in Chinese-cu society.

I know.  This is _really_ sick.  But we _are_ talking about Chinese-cu
society.

>...
>  My mother has a degree in psychology and has read Dr. Spock as
>  well as numerous other books written by experts.

Ms. Ayala has mentioned the background of her family and specifically her
mother.

The information which she made public indicates that her family came
from the upper class of Chinese society.  In other words, Ms. Ayala's
mother and the rest of her family are _in_ _no_ _way_ indicative of
Chinese-cu society, generally speaking.

The vast majority of Chinese-cu are peasants and far poorer than Ms. Ayala's
family.  Most Chinese-cu in Chinese-cu society at the time that Ms. Ayala's
mother graduated from high school have not even graduated from elementary
school.

As a side note, this dire poverty, which was caused directly by the
rape of China by the upper classes, was largely responsible for the
success of the communists in rallying the underclasses (which is almost
everyone in Chinese society) against the Nationalists and their upper-class
"chums".  After the communists under Mao won the revolution, the
underclasses went after the upperclasses with a vengeance; many
in the upperclasses who didn't escape to Taiwan and neighboring areas
were executed.

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