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In rec.music.beatles, ifsa@quads.uchicago.edu (andrea m koziol) writes:

> Greetings to all in this newsgroup.  This is my first contributions so please
> disregard my nervousness and various mistakes.
text about vinyl/cd deleted
> 	I know I will learn to appreciate and love the cd versions.  To
> clearly hear George's guitar and Paul and John's harmonies will be a joy. But
> I also wonder what will recede , and perhaps be lost.  i would very much
> appreciate input from the group on your experience of listening to the cd's
> for the first time. And what you think now.  I'd like to hear.
> 	I bought Rubber Soul yesterday on cd.  I haven't played it yet.


First, in this humble rmber's opinion, nervousness and mistakes shouldn't
have to be apologized for.  Everyone should be able to express their
opinions in whatever way strikes them.  

I definately can see your point, but found the cds interesting in this sense:
It was like hearing Beatles' music again for the first time.  This was
closer to what they sounded like when they were playing the music with the
intention for us to hear it.  

I know the Beatles didn't want me to always hear that repeater skip I had
on my What Goes On 45, but I heard it for years and just started expecting
it.  I think I've finally gotten over that.  I LOVE the cds of the Beatles.
Kind of like some of the cleaning up and recrecording they've done on the
old big band stuff.  It comes alive again, like it was supposed to sound!

I don't think later generations will miss a lot by not hearing the pops
and scratches; in fact, they'll gain more than we had when our records
were brand new.


Dennis
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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: CD vs vinyl
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Yes, James, to make a CD is actually *cheaper* than to make a vinyl 
album - in spite of the fact we are paying a lot more for CDs :-(
 
Anyway, I prefer CD sound, apart from easiness of use, but indeed the 
two media are quite different.
I remember a quote, I think from GM, which talked about the problems
he had in remastering _I want you_. In the long final ostinato, 
eventually a white noise generator was added (from a moog?) Well,
the higher resolution of a CD at high frequency let the noise cover
all the music, so that they had to remix it...
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Helter Skelter (was Re:Tomorrow Never Knows original take)
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:05:21 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Nov8.003930.16069@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
> 
> yeah, i'd still LOVE to hear take 1 of this (along with the 20+ mintute
> version of "helter skelter"

   Is the long version of Helter Skelter actually available on 
any boots?  None of the ones I've seen have it.

Karl
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Rolling Stones
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:26:52 GMT

In article <tp923083.721267109@vine> tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt) writes:
>In <1992Nov5.175128.721@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter) writes:
>
>>     Don't get me wrong, I LOVE The Beatles!
>>          But, how come there's no rec.music.stones, eh?
>I agree.

I have no objection. But the person most suited to suggest such a
newsgroup's genesis, Steve Carter, Rolling-Stones expert and maven,
may have other projects to accomplish. Besides, we'd lose his
sensible British presence if r.m.s. were around... or so I fear.

It's always been an unwritten rule that any British Invasion band
is a welcome topic in r.m.b., and so far I've heard no complaints
about this policy. Some of us (no names, please) have even been
known to admit that they prefer a Stones concert to a Macca gig. :-)

--
"What makes this foursome's history quite unprecedented is the fact that
two of the boys write (with an output rate which is prolific-plus!) all
the songs which The Beatles take to the top of the hit parade."
-----------------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "Apple Lady" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Julian Lennon song
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:16:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.231624.17214
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <campo.721071674@calspan.com> campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello) writes:
>   Is anyone familiar with a song by Julian Lennon that has the
>   refrain "Salt water wells in my eyes"?
>
>   My friend discovered it on a tape she made some time ago of a
>   Canadian show called "In Concert".  Julian performed it live,
>   playing acoustic guitar.
>
>   It's a beautiful but sad song about people and the environment.
>   I would like to know the title, and if it was released as a
>   single or what album it's on.
>
>   Thanks for any info.
>                               Jim Campobello
>                               campo@calspan.com


It is called "Salt Water" and is off his latest CD, "Help Yourself".

-Denise
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From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Origins of Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Date: 29 Oct 92 16:01:02 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

> By the way can anyone tell me what device/instrument
> they used to create the wierd sound that crops up whenever Maxwell does his
> dirty deed ....

If you mean the 'clang clang' sound, that's nothing more than Mal Evans
banging on an anvil with a hammer.
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From: hymowitz@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: Re: Uncle Albert
Keywords: lyrics request
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:39:45 GMT

and lo, there was much rejoicing among the people, as
  prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
>In article <henny.720940599@uieea> henny@uieea.ece.uiuc.edu (Henny Graupe) writes:
>>Though not exactly a Beatles song, would anyone know where I could
>>find the lyrics to McCartneys Uncle Albert/ Admiral Halsey song?
>these can be found in the liner notes of _all the best_

how odd - they're not in the liner notes from /my/ _all_the_best_.

be more specific - album, tape, or cd? american or european?

saki in 96.

--hymie
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From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Ringo's Drumming vs. Paul's Drumming (was Re: Various questions...)
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:37:56 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.195017.2431@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>
>Who's the author of "Discography"? Rely on your Lewisohn and you'll
>rarely (I said *rarely*) be steered wrong. Paul did indeed play drums
>on "Back In The USSR" because it was recorded during the week in
>August 1968 when Ringo, in a fit of pique, left the Beatles (he was 
>lured back shortly and it was hushed for fear of the media finding out).
>
>I used to think Paul did a serviceable job on the drums here, but
>listening to the CD the other day I was astonished at how labored
>the drumming in "USSR" sounded to me. Could my ears have been having
>a bad day, or have I not paid attention before? Lucky the rest of the
>song's so terrific. 
>

I never really listened to the drum part on this song until I found out
that Paul had played drums on it.  Once I really sat and listened I was
amazed.  The part drags, to me, especially coming out of the bridge back
into the verse.  It's not all that bad, but it really shows just what a
good drummer Ringo is.  Unfortunately for Ringo, his kind of "meat and
potatoes" drumming, that is, "non-flashy", usually gets taken for granted.

As Ringo himself said in the "Making of Sgt. Pepper", he played with 3
frustrated drummers.  They could all play drums, but they could only play
one beat.

Bruce


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From: ujazzer@mcl.ucsb.edu (D'aaron Noswal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: more music trivia
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:46:23 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.beatles

In <1992Nov4.101718.4621@verifone.com> kent_f1@verifone.com writes:

>> (Lisa Dick) writes:
>> We need to know where to find the backward masked message
>> paul is dead. (daed si luap)

>Forgive me for shouting but... THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!

Yes there is, sandwiched between the songs "I'm so tired" and "Blackbird"
on the White Album.  The backwards message by John mutters "Paul is dead,
man, miss him, miss him, miss him..."  Whether the message is intentional
or simply a freak of nature is another question altogether.

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From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: Sixties newsgroup (was: Rolling Stones)
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In article <1992Nov12.190502.18982@praxis.co.uk> gavin@praxis.co.uk (Gavin Finnie) writes:
>stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>>Potentially when they tour there would be interest?  I always reply
>>that a newsgroup rec.music.sixties may be a better, wider and thus
>>more viable newsgroup.
>
>Now there's a good idea! - anyone else think so?

I would like very much to have a r.m.sixties newsgroup. Hey, I even 
remember some groups *since* the sixties! (well, not many. For example,
my first Beatles' memories are from issue of Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da and
Let It Be singles, and Yellow Submarine movie...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: takashi@nevada.edu (Edward T. Tonai)
Subject: Re: Julian Lennon song
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:42:47 GMT

In article <campo.721071674@calspan.com> campo@calspan.com (Jim Campobello) writes:
>   Is anyone familiar with a song by Julian Lennon that has the
>   refrain "Salt water wells in my eyes"?
>
>   My friend discovered it on a tape she made some time ago of a
>   Canadian show called "In Concert".  Julian performed it live,
>   playing acoustic guitar.
>
>   It's a beautiful but sad song about people and the environment.
>   I would like to know the title, and if it was released as a
>   single or what album it's on.
>
>   Thanks for any info.
>                               Jim Campobello
>                               campo@calspan.com

The song is "Saltwater" and its on _Help Yourself_ I believe.
I think I remember it being released as a single, and I part of it
played on _Baywatch_ once.  It is my favorite Julian Lennon song.

By the way, I have to say I really liked Liv on _Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation.

			Edward T. Tonai
			takashi@redrock.nevada.edu
From: welch@bbn.com (Tom Welch Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles and Pink Floyd (Was: Re:  beatles in other songs)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:42:35 GMT
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bdonahue@mace.cc.purdue.edu (brian) writes:

[Stuff deleted]
Pink Floyd recorded their first album "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn", in Abby
Road studios at the same time that the Beatles were recording Sgt. Pepper. I read
that Paul came into their studio when they were recording, and listened in for a   while. I read this in "A Saucerful of Secrets", a book by N. Scheffer (sp?) about
Pink Floyd.



Tom Welch Jr.
From: Pierre@phaze.CAM.ORG (Pierre Rioux)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatles and Pink Floyd (Was: Re:  beatles in other songs)
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:31:59 GMT
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Well, I know of one little know Pink Floyd song, called
"Let There Be More Light" (on the album "A Saucerful Of Secrets")
where they clearly sing "...like Lucy In The Skyyyyy!".
That album was released in 1968, not much later than Sgt. Pepper.
This still doesn't prove there has been any significant
exchange between the late Beatles and the early Floyds, though;
as far as I know, they met but no sparks ever resulted, am I wrong?
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From: napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: vinyl vs. CD
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:51:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: deadmin.2250
Organization: AMES Dept., UC San Diego


I have an extensive record collection and there is certainly no comparision
between albums and tapes. I've always considered tapes a complete waste of
money mainly because I do like whatever information album covers provide.
That's why I also like CDs (besides the sound quality). CDs, although much
smaller than albums, seem to be a return to the old days of giving the listener
something to look at while playing the CD. The CD release of Sgt. Pepper is
a good example. I was pleased to see that they recreated some of the original
album inserts for the CD. And I enjoyed the other new information they provided
about the making of the album and it's cover. Many other CDs I have bought 
have extensive information about the recording (musicians, lyrics, biographical
data). It's true you don't get quite the impact of an album cover, but what
they provide inside attempts to make up for this. With tapes you were lucky
if you got anything other than the album title and a songlist.

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From: CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: I've done it, I've done it!!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:21:03 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <1992Nov12.183622.746@news.acns.nwu.edu>
hetz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Joseph Hetz) writes:

>
>
>	I've always thought (and so has the Hal Leonard Publishing Co.) that
>he line in Strawberry Fields Forever is supposed to be:
>		"I think a no will mean a yes but ..."

Just because the published lyrics say this it isn't necessarily so.
Although I do like this interpretation better  8^).
Is the slow version of SFF on any of the Unsurpassed Masters collections?
If so maybe decoding would be easier with a slower tempo and less
musical accompaniment.

cg
From: Christer.Gullstrand@malmo.trab.se (Christer Gullstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Obnoxious, Mom?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:14:06 GMT
Organization: Telia Research, Malmo, Sweden

In article <23894@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> rlich@atr-19.scg.hac.com writes:
>
>Funny story:
>
>I grew up playing all kinds of records when I lived at home, from
>Beatles to Black Sabbath to Led Zeppelin to Deep Purple.
>Pink Floyd regularly blared from the speakers, and my parents were 
>tolerant.  Revolution 9?  No problem. The one record I happened 
>to play which made my mother say, "Turn that g#&F@% noise down!"?
>
>Paul McCartney's RAM.

I have another one like it:

I now (of age 33) play Beatles, Kinks, Led Zeppelin, Guns and Roses,
Nirvana (!), Sex Pistols etc. No broblem there either.
My wife said about the same thing as your mother did when I played,
just a few days ago, McCartney II!!!

Christer
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: johna@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (john.a.welsh)
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:51:36 GMT
Summary: More on Anomalies



The Beatles were blessed by having George Martin as their producer.
It seems that there are many little technical flaws in their recordings,
but none seem to hurt the songs badly enough to make listeners wish
that these flaws were not there.  All You Need Is Ears seems to sum
up what GM brought to the Fabs and the enduring quality of his mixes
seem to prove him right.

The song that I want to comment on is Good Morning, Good Morning.
It seems like there are some extra sounds (drum taps for counting
maybe even rhythmic breathing) and places where I think I hear
overdubs starting and stopping (mainly around the animal sounds).
I hear these things, but at the same time it makes the song flow
and gives the orchestra breaks a "hook" to them that gets stuck
in my mind.
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From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: unlurking, and switching from vinyl to cd
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.225505.3269@midway.uchicago.edu>
ifsa@midway.uchicago.edu writes of "I feel fine"---

>   The music sounded so different, and dare I say it,
>sterile.  It was entirely new to me - each guitar note was separated by
>silence.  The voices rising and falling in unison, and behind them was a large
>area of ... emptiness.

The difference is really between a mono mix with echo fuzzing up
everything-- you post from Chicago so I assume you're American-- and a
clean stereo mix.  The Capitol "stereo" version was electronically
reprocessed from the mono mix and had even more echo.  I know exactly
what you mean about the holes in the sound, but it hit me when I first
heard the stereo mix ON VINYL, on some foreign LP.  This song is
usually not set to high enough volume in relation to the songs around
it-- maybe its dynamic range is greater for some reason-- and that
makes it sound even more weak.  You'll get to like the stereo mix.

--Joe Brennan
From: tp923083@vine.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt)
Subject: Re: Rolling Stones
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  8 Nov 92 23:58:29 GMT

In <1992Nov5.175128.721@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter) writes:

>     Don't get me wrong, I LOVE The Beatles!

>          But, how come there's no rec.music.stones, eh?

I agree.
From: bjones@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: beatles in other songs
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:41:12 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

Years ago I taped a snippet of a song called "101 Dalmatians" by
a group "Scarlet Party"(? - I was having a hard time understanding
the BBC Radio One DJs then) that contained several lines borrowed from
various Beatles and Lennon songs. For example, the ending of the 
chorus was:
	"... everyone's free,
	and nothing to kill or die for."
BTW, this group was a real Beatles "sound alike", especially the lead
vocalist, whose voice was almost exactly like John's (in the early 
years, 1964-65). I've been trying to find out more about them but
never had much luck. Does anybody know their album titles and/or
where to get them? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Beata 
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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Rubber Soul - CD mix different?
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:31:03 GMT
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I was listening to the CD of Rubber Soul the other night, and noticed
that the mix is considerably different than that of the LP (Parlaphone).
It seems the accoustic guitars are mixed further back on the CD, giving
the album less of a 'jangly' sound.  Am I undergoing auditory hallucinations,
or is there in fact a difference?

I like the LP better, but they are such a PAIN.

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From: weiss@wright.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles Recording Anomolies
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:37:50 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <7937@transfer.stratus.com> bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes) writes:
>Also, I think it's significant that these noises ONLY seem to appear on
>some Revolver tracks.  Think about this for a minute.  They were certainly
>doing some complex work with Rubber Soul, and they were still working with
>the very same tape machines on Sgt. Pepper.  

Right.  Now listen to Lovely Rita, right channel, at 0:32.  There's another
punch out.  It's possible that most of them got masked by other sounds, so
you didn't notice any on Rubber Soul.
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From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Mia Farrow
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:07:11 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

>(Craig  Cameron) writes: (that Dear Prudence was written for Mia Farrow's
sister)

I don't have my books in front of me, but wasn't it Mia Farrow's
daughter?
^^^^^^^^
From: poosala@cs.wisc.edu (vishy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Lyrics of 'India'
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:58:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov13.155851.20860
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

Hi,
	One of the unreleased recordings of Harrison is titled
"India". Can someone please mail to me the lyrics of this
song. Also, it will be great if someone can tell me how to get 
the lyrics of all Beatles' unreleased songs?

		Thanks,
				vishy

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