From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Alaska Wolf Killing Suspended / interventionist conservation
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:24:55 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Gregory Sherwin writes:
>>Oh come on, get serious Greg!!  So what if they occasionally bring in a
>>critter that isn't actually hurt?  Don't you realize that the Marine Mammal
>>Recue center is in Great white Shark territory?  
>
>Yes - and what we need is more sharks and less overzealous AR folks who
>want to play Mom to every creature on the planet.  

So Greg, what's the difference between a shark killing a seal and me killing
a seal?

>>Getting back to the comparison between taking in an uninjured seal, it's
>
>An uninjured seal isn't the main point.  The main point was inconsistency
>by compensating for intervention with intervention.  Whether the seal
>has a bullet in his forehead or was caught sunning himself during his Club
>Med vacation makes no difference to the point here.

On the contrary:  my feeling is that the seal should be helped, if it is
injured.  Seals are valuable resources and should not be wasted like that.
On the other hand, if the wound was the result of a pinniped suicide pact
or something, maybe it should be killed and harvested for its meat immediately.

>>Sure we can argue opinions.  My opinion is that your logic is fuzzy and
>>you spend excessive energy worrying about things that don't really matter,
>>in the grand scheme of things.  Oh, and you have an absurd tendency to
>>anthropomorphize...
>
>Well, then clarify on what makes this logic so fuzzy -- I am game.
>Who is worrying?  What defines excessive energy?

The very fact that you'd waste more than a moment worrying that helping
an injured seal might be the moral equivalent of kidnaping tells me that
you have way too much time on your hands.

>BTW "anthropomorphize" is a word usually used by people
>who think their shit smells any sweeter than that of any non-human animal -
>does it boost your self-esteem to think that somehow your bathroom habits,
>your eating habits, your sex life, etc. is something uniquely beautiful and
>worthy of such exceptional grandeur on this planet compared to everything
>else?  Humans are dogs with egos, we just don't piss on as many trees.

Hell, your whole problem is right there son.  You've been watching way
too many Disney movies.  In real life, deer and rabbits don't talk to
each other.  They don't communicate and solve complex problems together.
They're born, they eat, they fuck and they die.  Maybe some of the humans
that you know live on the same level but all of my friends are way beyond
that...

>If you find issues like this to be so trivial, why do you even bother
>reading this newsgroup - let alone responding to postings that you care little
>for?  99% of net news is not going to win any Pulitzers anytime soon, what
>makes you feel that internet was the creation for Don Baldwin's sole
>amusement?  Sorry if you don't approve of the value of my posting, sir, I
>didn't realize you were appointed hall monitor.

I read this newsgroup because it amuses me.  I haven't seen anything as
funny as you guys since Nancy Reagan urged us all to say no to drugs (it
would've been perfect, if she'd had a wine glass at hand in the picture).
Go on, carry on with your "discussion"; just reaize when you do that you're
fodder for the beast.

     don