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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: MNF Announcer Bashing ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:21:20 GMT


Much has been said about the Monday Night trio.  Quite frankly, I feel, IMHO,
that Al Michaels is one of the more steady play-by-play announcers in the
business today.  Michaels is quite versatile, as noted by his excellence in
baseball and Olympic hockey coverage.

As far as the rest of the gang, Dan Dierdorf was with CBS prior to moving
to MNF in 1987.  In fact, Dierdorf was the number two analyst behind John
Madden in 1986.  He was paired with Dick Stockton that year, and did the
Redskins-Bears playoff game in Chicago during that season.  On his own, I
thought he did a good job.

However, he has to share the spotlight with Frank Gifford, and there was a
time when he was not pleased about it.  Personally, taking Gifford out of the
booth would make a major difference in the flow of the Monday night telecasts.
Gifford was great in the Cosell and Meredith era, but it's time to pass on the
baton.

Nowadays, three in the booth is a bit extreme ... having Gifford shifted to
player/team profiles for pregame/halftime reports would be a step in the
right direction.


Bob - just my thoughts, folks ... flames >/dev/null

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From: psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:54:48 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.110218.1@cua.edu> 50zhouh@cua.edu writes:
>I hate those ABC MNF announcers!

  As I've subjected myself to these guys for the past few years, I've steadily
  increased my ability to tune out their inane comments and only hear the
  relevant commentary.  It's quite an accomplishment.  :-)

  However, when these guys were first unleashed on an unsuspecting public, 
  I would find myself muttering out loud, starting sentences with, "Dan you
  blithering idiot, let's hope he's 'all man'... or "that's fine if we were 
  looking at a baseball game Al, but..." or "Hello Frank?, ...hello?" and
  many others.  

  Give me Howard, Dandy Don, and a younger semi-lucid Gifford any time.
  At least these guys knew why they were there.

  ...Paul
From: rfedkiw@olympic.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re: GOD I HATE THE RAMS!
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 03:06:28 GMT

In Article 27899, John P. Gloria ...

>You're being defensive. As Abramhan Lincoln said in 1873, "Do not
>always bet on a sure thing." :-)  Frankly, I don't give a hoot who
>wins.  I knew I would get a response from some twit out there whose
>very existence depends on what the score will be.  Dude, if you
>know what the score will be on games, you'd be trillionair! NOT!
>As Robert Blake use to say "Take that to the bank."

Well ... 
let's say the spread on a game is ten points, ... ah a good example
would be this game right here, the Bills are 10 pt favorites.
Now, we go to the odds boys and put down a cool thousand on the Rams.
Then we look for a sucker... hey didn't you say that the Rams would 
win by 8 pts... you'll do just fine.
So we bet another thousand with you, that is our resident sucker, 
(we bet on Buffalo against you).
Then we sit back and wait, maybe drink a few beers, whatever ....
Here comes the good part...

If the Bills win by 10 pts, we collect a grand from the sucker and
give it to the bookie plus their fee of 100 dollars. 
So we lost 100 dollars... too bad, big deal, at least we got to 
see the sucker lose a grand... the grass is greener.

If the Bills win by less than 10 or the Rams win less than 8,
then we collect a grand from the odds boys and another grand from
the sucker. Gee, we're up 2,000 (1,900 minus betting fees)...
not quite a trillionair, but we'll have a lot of Coors Dry.

If the Rams win by 8 pts or more, then we collect 1000 from the
pro's and give it to our sucker. Oh yeah our pro's only give us
900... that's why their pro's ... remember how the sucker gives 
us 1000... so we have to throw in an extra 100 and give it to
the sucker, oh well we're down 100, big deal, who cares, we'll
get the sucker next week.

... Now, if you can find someone laying around like our pal Tegger
that likes the Bills, then you could place your Rams bet with him,
even money. It's better for the both of us.... there's no 
ten percent bookie fees. Then we don't lose 100, we never lose, 
unless our sucker welches... ah but then we do call the bookie 
just to get the number of... let's not get off track.
Anyhow then we win 2000 on a 17 pt margin, or break even otherwise.

Sounds too good to be true, well it is, usually the sucker decides 
not to bet because you can't keep that 2,000 dollar grin off your
face. And besides, suckers are hard to find and don't last long....
they either run out of money in the preseason... or walk across an
open manhole... or drive off a cliff... or take a family vacation
in South Central LA during riot season.

.....********** IMPORTANT: This is not written to harass or annoy,
it's purpose is amusement/entertaianment. No wars, please.








--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
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From: v077mdph@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best D
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep10.144737.4957@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.
gov (Ed Davis) writes...
>In another thread, J. Gische explains that the Bills defense, although
>rated 27th out of 28, is not that bad since their offense is a quick
>score offense and doesn't spend that much time on the field.  No matter
>how much time is spent on the field by the Defense, 27 out of 28 is not
>good.

	The Bills' defense faced, on the average, one extra opposition
possession per half, or two per game.  That's got to be an average of 60 yards
or so extra per game, at least.  That's easily enough to move the Bills from
the top ten to second last.  You simply fail to understand the fact that total
yardage does not tell the total story.  Why must this be repeated?

>'nuff said.
>Spankin'  Ed

Snoopy
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Dallas Noise level !!!
Keywords: n
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.195813.6855@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>In article <14702@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>>I have to say hats off to the Texas Stadium crowd for making so much
>>noise. If this trend continues most teams won't look forward to comming
>>to TS. Did someone pass out a flyer or something to the fans ????
>>I've been a Dallas fan for 25 years and I don't ever remember a crowd
>>so fired up from the opening gun.
>>
>>We got the hard one over with, see ya in RFK deadskins......
>>NEXT !
>>
>
>I was a part of that noise and it was incredible.  I have been going to
>games for about ten years now and it has never been so loud.  My friend
>and I have often been loud at games but this time the whole stadium was
>into it.  There was no organization to the noise.  It started while the
>players were warming up.  Hank Williams Jr lip synced right before
>kick-off and the place was rocking.  About 60,000 people were hoarse
>the next day.  I figure it will be loud the next home game, too.  After
>that it is up to the Cowboys to win.
>
>The best part was singing "Good-bye" to the "men" who wear dresses and
>pig-snouts for Washington games.  They flew down from Washington and
>were about ten rows behind us.
>
>Robert

Robert, since you were there, I thought you would appreciate some
comments from the Skins about the noise.  Don Warren said it was the
loudest he had ever heard a Dallas crowd.  He said that Jeff Bostic
couldn't even hear Ryp.  They tried to use hand signals but that
didn't work too well.  The Skins OL said that they were not reacting
to the snap count; they couldn't hear it.  They were reacting to the
defensive player -- which isn't how it should be at all.  Everyone on
the team gave the Dallas fans high marks for their noise level and
asked the Skins fans to do the same for our home games.  

schalene
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From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Subject: re : QB Ratings
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:19:58 GMT

I apologize for mixing up the coefficients.  I just haven't used the formula in a
while.

I derived it myself, although I have read HGoF.  It's easy to get by regressing
on stats from quarterbacks who lack outstanding stats.

Also, the fact that it doesn't necesarilly agree with NFL stuff isn't important. 
The cutoffs are dumb.  They rarely come into play, but the idea is stupid.  The
stats do not lose value past a certain point.  Just because the NFL insists on it
doesn't mean the rest of us have to use it.
From: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Mann)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:53:50 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Player Status: McKeller (Bills)
Reply-To: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

What is the status on McKeller?  IR material?

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Subject: Re: taunting for 15
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:29:33 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Sep11.042147.224@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>>If you want to taunt me, fine.  But then it tells me that you can't
>>>beat me on your skills alone and need another way to try to win.  
>>>
>>Now where do you obtain this type of logic?  Unless in be unknown
>>to you, there are folks out there that can play very good in a particular
>>sport and still taunt and beat an opponent.  Taunting is by no means an
>>indication that the player doing the taunting does not possess the skills
>>to out perform another player.  Does it?

Taunting doesn't indicate skill.  But it either indicates(to me),
lack of skill or that person is an asshole.  I'm giving you the
benefit of the doubt that you're not an asshole;-).  Good players
let their play show for itself(thus, being showing sportsmanship
[notice there is a penalty for 'unsportsman like conduct']).
>>
>Now back to your last statement.  Now you know and I know that the
>baseball assilant was in the wrong and should never be tolerated.
>Therefore, NO, that is not part of the game.  You knew that!

True, but you state that taunting is done to diminish a player's
capability.  By that logic, anything should be done to diminish
a player's capability(yes, it is an extreme viewpoint).  If that's
what you're wanting, go play "Rollerball"(if you've seen the movie, 
you'll know what I mean).
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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Axe Corpsegrinder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Battle Of The Titans!
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6743@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, roat@rrc.chevron.com writes...

(in reference to the Buffalo-San Francisco game):

>And NO PUNTS!!!  When was the last time this happened?  Anybody know?

It is a first.  It has *never* happened before in NFL history.

And probably never will again...

>Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
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					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Re: Browns/Colts
    <1992Sep8.012352.12646@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:46:17 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <1992Sep8.012352.12646@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jack1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (john.fijolek) writes:
>In article <9209070202.AA14842@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Stephen I Miller <similler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>> Just got back from seeing the debacle in Indianapolis a couple of hours ago and
>> I still can't believe that the Browns offensive line is this bad.  No (I MEAN 
Did JB (James Brooks) play?  If not why not? Ifyou guys don't want him the
Bengals willtakehim back.. gladly! :)

Alex
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Monday Night Football announcers are terrible
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:18:04 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

i'm _sure_ this subject has never been broached before,
but that won't stop me from tossing my opinions around :-)

opinion #1:  i can't tell their voices apart, so it could have been
any one of the three, but SOMEONE used the "words" _secondarily_
and _strategical_.  as in,

        "Using those two timeouts when they didn't need to
         was a strategical mistake."
and
        "They got two advantages from that play:  one, there
         was no gain.  Secondarily, the clock continued to run."

now, i'm sure half of the r.s.f.p. readers are ready to flame me
for criticizing these buffoons when i myself do not always capitalize.
however, _i_ am not a professional announcer/colorman getting paid big bucks,
nor do i make up polysyllabic words to impress the fans, who (if they're
anything like me) are completely irritated by everything i say.

i mean, they said NOTHING about the game that was of any interest.
which one of them said about irving's one-handed catch, "get back, jack!"?
uggh.  phony emotions, content-free remarks, minimal replays . . .
ABC has got to be the worst football broadcaster.

ok
dpm
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: So how did the Bucs-Cards game look?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:21:52 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep7.180312.2878@cheshire.oxy.edu> creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
>The game was hardly a route.  The score was 13-7 before Cardinal's QB 
>Tim Rosenbach was knocked out cold, fumbling the ball on their own 35
>which lead to a Tampa Bay touch down.  Then later, the Cardinals were
>stopped on Fourth and 1 equally deep in their own territory.  A couple
>of plays later Tampa scored their final FG.
>
>It was a painful game to watch.

The good news is that Rosenbach is not seriously hurt and may actually
play against the Eagles. When they mentioned his injury during the 49er
game I just about decided to quit following football(their initial report
was frightening, unconscious, didn't move for 5 minutes, neck injury
suspected). It turns out his head hit the ground which knocked him out,
and then he twisted his body and strained his lower back.

As for the game, why did Anthony Thompson get the bulk of the carries
while Ivory Lee Brown(who led the team in preseason rushing) only got
4 carries. Not seeing the game, I can only guess that they are either
showcasing Anthony for a trade, or simply felt his experience warranted
the starting job. Either way I'm disappointed.

Statistically we were in this game, until Timm got hurt. He didn't play
that great of a game, but as Scott mentions, not only did he get hurt on
the play, he fumbled.

Next up the Eagles who are the wrong team to play with Rosenbach's health
in question. I would hope they'll consider that before deciding on Timm's
playing time.                     

God I hope this isn't another disastrous year.




Russ Smith
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dolphins vs browns
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:29:50 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

Clayton is out and Tony Martin is in. Higgs is starting and I am 
READY! Two weeks of watching the rest of the league play has taken its
toll. In ten minutes I'm going home and plant myself in front of the
tv and the countdown will start. Only 9 hours until game time. I need
a rum and tang, and a little practice shouting "SHUT UP FRANK" and
I'll be all set. Unfortunately work and school beckon so maybe I won't
leave in ten minutes. Physically anyhow. Mentally I'm gone.....

Tony (go cleveland) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Walker keeps rolling...
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:30:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: Eagles Win

Herschel Walker had 115 yards rushing today in the 31-14 win against 
Phoenix. Gosh, when was the last time the Eagles had a rusher who ran for
100+ yards in consecutive games? Or even just 1 game? Looks like the Eagles
finally have that dependable running back to balance their offense. I just hope
he keeps it up... 

BTW, Cunningham seems to have returned to top form: 3 TD passes. And Fred
Barnett had 193 yards receiving!

-Tehkao
A diehard Eagles fan....

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From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
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Subject: Re: Haley back to form? *NOT*
Date: 14 Sep 1992 14:58:06 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In article <5197@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>Maybe the honeymoon is over for Charles Haley in Dallas.
>It was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle that
>Haley walked up to Troy Aikman in the Cowboy's locker-
>room and told him that he "couldn't carry Joe Montana's
>jock strap".
>
>Ah yes, vintage Charles.
>
>John Abt

Dear John,

It is too bad that you don't read a more reputable newspaper, one that
bothers to check the veracity of its sources.  The story in question
was reported by one "Mr." Fred Edelstein on ESPN at the start of last
week.  Too bad, because Mr. Edelstein got his report from shaky
sources and as it turns out, the statement is completely false.

As it turns out, during a Cowboys radio broadcast, one of the
announcers made a joke that Haley probably wen up to Aikman in the
locker room and said "couldn't carry Joe Montanta......".  The story
was blasted by that radio announcer as a complete joke and has been
reported by the Atlanta Constitution and other papers as such.

Too bad, too, I guess S.F. newspapers are trying to make the deal look
bad after Haley's great start.  He may still turn out to be a bad
apple, but so far he is the sweetest of the bunch...

*ice*


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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: taunting for 15
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:50:23 GMT

In <1992Sep11.220829.9840@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.185553.12792@cs.hut.fi> killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
>>There is a HUGE difference between 'Hey, I did great!' and 'You cannot
>>even run/tackle/throw/kick/...'.  I personally award 15 yards for the
>>latter but encourage the former.
>That is the WHOLE POINT!  It becomes personal!  The Zebras interject
>their personal feelings, pro/con, on what constitutes taunting.  If
>the rule were to be enforced equitably and fair to all players and plays,
>then perhaps it would be tolerable.  My point is when Harris did his
>imginary six shooter bit, he should not have been penalized.  Even the
>announcers proclaimed this!  You personally will tolerate some type of
>taunting, but not another.  Technically, taunting is taunting.  If

Let me quote NCAA 1991 rules that are in effect here in Europe 1992:
"Unsportmanshiplike Acts:
 Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
   No player, coach, substitute, authorized attendant or other persons
   subject to the rules shall use abusive or insulting language to
   players or officials or indulge in any conduct that might
   incite players or spectators."

  "No player or substitute shall use language, gestures or engage
   in acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to the image of
   the game, including:
     (a) pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent
     (b) baiting an opponent verbally
     (c) inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way."

Here in Finland the Officials Association has taken the view that
above mentioned points shall be strictly enforced, but normal
spontanious celebration after a play shall be allowed.

So, when I said personally, I should have said "- according to
interpretations in Finland -".

In NFL 1991 rules the above quoted paragraphs are stated, with
different words but the same context.  So excuse me when I
fail to understand your logic with the "six-barrel" case.
I think it warranted a flag according to the rules.

(Disclaimer to the paragraph above:  I tried to obtain
 rule changes for this season, but it seems that nobody
 on the net has them.  So I'll keep on referring to
 the 1991 rule book, unless otherwise proven)
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From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: VIKINGS QUESTION
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:14:06 GMT
	<18jn0nINNra5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 9 Sep 92 02:20:07 GMT


Can anyone tell me why all the sudden, Hassan Jones has become the leading
receiver for the Vikes?  What's happened to Chris Carter?  Is he hurt, 
slumping, or in the doghouse?          

Thanks.
Wayne.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: A VIKING WOOFER!!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  9 SEP 92 12:44:38    

In article <20222@plains.NoDak.edu>, herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid) writes...

>            MINNESOTA VIKINGS ARE A MAJOR THREAT!
> 
> 
>After the beating of the Green Bay Packers last Sunday the
>secret is out in the open.  THE VIKES ARE FOR REAL.  I am
>sure that the folks in Detroit are concerned about the game
>next Sunday.  Let me tell you---don't worry----the Vikes will
>probably whack the heck out of the Lions.  This year the
>Minnesota Vikings will be whacking most if not all the teams
>they meet.

Ya, the Lions are shaking in their boots after the Vikings had to go 
into OT to beat a team that was 4-12 last year.

JGH
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