HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: How to install your own judge
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:29:03 GMT

In article <BxzoLs.Gt7@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca  
(Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:
> For those interested in setting up judges elsewhere, here
> are some excerpts from the Intenet Guide to Dip (Version 7.1)
> The new Version 11.0 was placed into the FTP site yesterday!!!!!
> So if you are going to install one, make sure you have the new code.
> 
> Setting up one's own judge
> --------------------------
> It is fairly simple to install your own judge.  The source code is
> available (in C) from the Washington FTP site (see below).  The  
instructions
> are explained in detail in a README file.  Version 11.0 is presently 
> available, it was released in November 18 1992.  I set up one myself once,
> so I know what I am talking about, it took less than half an hour.  (and
> I have never used 'C' in my life !!!!!!!)
> 
> Washington, USA
> ---------------
> There are a few files kept in the machine 
>         milton.u.washington.edu
> in the public/misc sub-directory.  Here is a list of them.
>  
> -rw-r--r--       260039 Nov 18 12:43 dip.tar.Z       Source code for judge
> -rw-r--r--       128294 Apr 16  1991 dipmap.ps       Postscript map 
> -rw-r--r--       134502 Apr 16  1991 loeb9.ps        Loeb9 postscript map
> -rw-r--r--        23454 Sep  6  1991 machiavelli.ps  Machiavelli ps map
> -rw-rw-rw-       125576 Nov 17 09:13 ngloeb9.ps      Loeb 9 ps map.  No  
grey
> -rw-rw-rw-       119364 Nov 17 09:14 ngmap.ps        Standard ps map.  No  
grey
> -rw-r--r--       124883 Nov 20  1991 youngstown.ps
> 
> 
> If anyone needs help, (or even a volunteer) to set up a judge, please
> contact me.
> 
> Nick
What kind of a machine or account does this require?
--
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sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon 

Mark E. Brodsky
Northwestern University
Evanston, Ill.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: lokendr@ecf.toronto.edu (LO KENDRICK)
Subject: Stuff
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:27:47 GMT

I'd also like to thank Ken for all the hard work he's put into the
judge for the sake of our enjoyment.  I know I, myself, have been
guilty sometimes for taking his being there and     his help for
granted.  I was quite surprised that the judge allowed so many games
anyways so maybe we needed this to beat something    into our senses.

Now that the new judge is off and running, we should consider again
capping the number of games (for example, I think that if there are 1
or at most 2 new games with openings for each regularly played variant,
then it should be sufficient to meet the needs of anyone wishing to join
a game.  10 or 12 newly-created standard press games having openings all
at the same time on a judge I think is overkill.)

I also agree that every game should be moderated.  Not only for the
continuity of games, but so that there is someone for beginners to ask
questions.  I think a lot of people naturally assume that Ken was our
Diplomacy god, and tons of mail with questions were needlessly directed
that way which I think really stacked up his work  ( I admit I'm a little
guilty of that)  --  perhaps we could have assigned interested moderators
in moderating those A-Z games for him to give him a break ...

I created (gasp) a game some time ago, and we are looking for players to
finish it off now that the judge is toning down.

Greetings fellow diplomats.  For anyone who might be interested,
I am moderating a game on the Judge and we are looking for some
good players.  The game is called Purity.  It is an open press,
gunboat game with 3-day moves.
The game is a _pure_ variant.  The variant is extremely simple:
each player begins with 1 centre on a 7-centre map.  All centres are
connected to one another by land; the object is to obtain 4/7 centres.
Here's a good chance to pick up a quick victory, but as an open press
game, it will require some cunning diplomacy.  If you're up to trying
out your hand at something different, you are welcomed to join.

I created this game because it reminded of games I used to play.  It
may sound a bit boring, but it was actually quite interesting as it's
more diplomacy than just tactical positions on the board.  I hope to see
some of you at the bargaining table.

Kendrick


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From: mappler@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Matthew A Appler)
Subject: Irc diplomacy game.....
Organization: /usr/users/user4/mappler/.organization
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:02:48 GMT

Would anyone be interested in trying to run a game of diplomacy via
irc?  I have figured out two ways to do this....one with a moderator,
and the other with an irc 'bot to take all the moves in then send them
to each player simultaneously.  Let me know about any thoughts on
this.  I am exploring getting a 'bot like htis written...

  Thx,
    Matt Appler
--
Matthew Appler - University of Massachusetts, Amherst
-----
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From: markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Newbe Question
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:26:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov16.022626.5211
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


Could someone send me a sample report sheet (or whatever you call 'em) from
the judge in washington. I'm just curious as to what one looks like. This
looks like alot of fun. Thanks.

Mark Brodsky.
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From: garygm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Brainin)
Subject: Fast game update
Organization: Stanford Law School, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:39:34 GMT


   As of the time of this post, I have four volunteers for a fast game
which I would moderate.  That's enough people that I don't want to
kill it, but not quite enough for me to feel comfortable about
starting.  There'll be a couple of player votes on exact timing, etc.,
so there ought to be at least a 2/3 quorum before that gets started.

   So, if there's any other volunteers, please email me immediately.
I'd like to get this started asap.  I am willing to put off the start
until sometime after Thanksgiving if people will be away.  Also,
though I suggested it should be limited to people in the US time
zones, foreign players who are willing to work around the time
difference are welcome to join up.

			-Gary

-- 
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From: arkoff@lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Judge convoy syntax
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov17.195505.29901
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <4aF=F4#@engin.umich.edu> positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas) writes:
>Suppose I've got an army in Liverpool that wants to go to Spain, and
>fleets in the Irish Sea and the Mid-Atlantic Ocean. Which of these
>sets of orders will work?
>
>Set 1-----
>   liverpool -> spain
>   irish sea convoy liverpool -> spain
>   mid-atlantic ocean convoy liverpool -> spain
>
>Set 2-----
>   liverpool -> irish sea -> mid-atlantic ocean -> spain
>   irish sea convoy liverpool -> spain
>   mid-atlantic ocean convoy liverpool -> spain
>
>Set 3-----
>   liverpool -> irish sea -> mid-atlantic ocean -> spain
>   irish sea convoy liverpool -> irish sea -> mid-atlantic ocean -> spain
>   mid-atlantic convoy liverpool -> irish sea -> mid-atlantic -> spain
>
>-- 
>__/\__  Jonathan S. Haas         | Jake liked his women the way he liked
>\    /  University of Michigan   | his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-
>/_  _\  positron@engin.umich.edu | fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and
>  \/                             | covered with short brown fuzzy hair.

Set two.

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                                      *on the comment board in the cafeteria
Gary L. Arkoff  arkoff@lclark.edu     *at Lewis and Clark College.
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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy maps
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:02:03 GMT

In a prior article, Jim Holthaus (james-holthaus@uiowa.edu) writes:
> I have not been able to successfully retrieve the maps from
> u.washington.edu.  That is, I can FTP them and open them with MS Word 5.0,
> but all I get is header information--no map.  The file does appear to be
> postscript and all of that.  As well, I am open the files as EPS.  Since I
> don't have Cricket Draw or access to it, howcan I look at a and print
> these maps?  Suggestions?

It may just look like header information, but it is in fact the whole map.
The maps on the judge are plain text Postscript, not formatted Macintosh
files. If you open them with MS Word, you see the text of the Postscript
file, just like any other text file. If you try to print them from Word,
you'll get pages and pages of output, since Word isn't clever enough to
realize that this is a Postscript file already--so it generates a Postscript
file which prints the contents of the map file, and then sends that.

What you want is to send the map file to the printer, saying "This is a
Postscript file--print it for me." What you need, then, is an app for your
Mac that can download Postscript files. SendPS is one such app, and is
available from sumex-aim.stanford.edu, I believe; Apple's LaserWriter
Utility is another, though I'm not sure where you'd get it from.

The basic summary here, though, is that you have a plain text Postscript
file that you need to send to the printer: it isn't a Macintosh-format file,
and thus won't look like anything other than text in any Mac application.

Does that make sense? If you still have questions, just ask...
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
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From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: Judge convoy syntax
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:14:44 GMT

In a prior article, Jonathan Haas (positron@engin.umich.edu) writes:
> Suppose I've got an army in Liverpool that wants to go to Spain, and
> fleets in the Irish Sea and the Mid-Atlantic Ocean. Which of these
> sets of orders will work?

Set 2 is correct. The army needs to specify its route; the fleets need only
specify the source and destination province.
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: New Judge?
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: HMC Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:17:24 GMT

In a prior article, Joshua Randall (randall-joshua@yale.edu) writes:
> [Josh:  the "imminent death of the Net" goes in "news.groups", not
> here <grin> --private joke, folks, sorry]

You know, I used that subject line, and then forgot to refer to it in my
message. (duh) I meant to make some hysterical comment about how losing the
Washington judge would destroy Diplomacy on the net as we know it, and so
on... (grin)

> What are the resources required to run a Judge?  Does it require its
> own machine, or could it be run out of an individual account on a
> mainframe?  Would a desktop IBM-clone have the power/memory/space
> needed to run it?

I think the judge drains two kinds of resources: CPU cycles and network
bandwidth. I think Ken said he was running it on a MicroVAX, which though
admittedly a slow and fairly archaic little mini, is probably a good deal
faster than a desktop PC (though I don't actually know, and anyone more
technically aware is welcome to correct me here). The judge also generates a
huge amount of mail traffic, between incoming orders, outgoing receipts and
results, press for games which use it, and various administrative things
(like signons, creates, whoises, etc).

However, I'm working primarily from impressions here, and not at all from
any sort of factual data. Could Ken perhaps be induced to post some comments
on what sorts of resources he thinks the judge would require to run
efficiently? He's probably the most directly knowledgeable one among us.
-- 
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Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why
several of us died of tuberculosis." -Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
From: randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Constantinople
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:07:18 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov17.164816.3075@news.acns.nwu.edu> mark-brodsky@nwu.edu writes:
>	What exactly are the movement rules in regards to constantinople?  
>Can an army pass throught constantinople from Ankra to Bulgaria? Can a fleet  
>pass from the Black sea to the Aegean sea? Thanks much.

Constantinople is a "normal" coastal province.  It has only one coast,
so a Fleet in can go to either the Black Sea or the Aegean Sea (or
either coast of Bulgaria, or Ankara, or Smyrna).  An Army can go to
the same places as the Fleet minus the Seas.

So yes, you can "pass through" it as you say, but you do have to
"stop" there for a turn.

-- 
Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu
From: jvverth@figaro.med.harvard.edu (Jim Van Verth)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Judge convoy syntax
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:39:04 GMT
Organization: Hyrcania University

In article <4aF=F4#@engin.umich.edu> positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas) writes:
>Set 2-----
>   liverpool -> irish sea -> mid-atlantic ocean -> spain
>   irish sea convoy liverpool -> spain
>   mid-atlantic ocean convoy liverpool -> spain

Is there any reason this syntax is used?  One of the points of not
specifying the route the army takes is so you can define two possible
convoys and then take the one not broken, so there are times when the
above syntax could cut back on your tactics.

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From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy maps
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:43:11 GMT

holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) writes:

>I have not been able to successfully retrieve the maps from
>u.washington.edu.  That is, I can FTP them and open them with MS Word 5.0,
>but all I get is header information--no map.  The file does appear to be
>postscript and all of that.  As well, I am open the files as EPS.  Since I
>don't have Cricket Draw or access to it, howcan I look at a and print
>these maps?  Suggestions?

As a PS to this note, if anybody would be so kind as to send me a PICT
file version for my mac, I'd be grateful.  Of course, binhex it and send
it to james-holthaus@uiowa.edu
-- 
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more * Jim Holthaus
complex, and more violent.  It takes a touch of    * james-holthaus@uiowa.edu
genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the   *
opposite direction." -- E. F. Schumacher           *
From: arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Question of Semantics
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:26:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov20.062612.20884
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

What would happen in the following case:

England:

f Mid Altantic support f Portugual move Spain (SC)

France:

f Portugal m Spain (NC)

Italy:

a Spain Hold


Would the support be valid or would the judge rule it void as the coasts do
not match?

-Gary
-- 
I like pork.  Especially pork chops.  *An anymonous student comment made
                                      *on the comment board in the cafeteria
Gary L. Arkoff  arkoff@lclark.edu     *at Lewis and Clark College.
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: Stabbing other players
From: tarod@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:50:10 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Nov20.051757.18635@lclark.edu>, arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov17.211031.19955@anasazi.com> ian@anasazi.com (Ian S. O'brien) writes:
>>I recently started playing in a couple of games on the judge and a question
>>occurs to me:
>>
>>What percentage of play or players regularly makes use of betrayal (stab in the
>>back, unilateral violation of agreements, etc.)?
> 
> I ***never*** stab my allies.  (Grin)
> 
> -Gary
> 
> -- 
> I like pork.  Especially pork chops.  *An anymonous student comment made
>                                       *on the comment board in the cafeteria
> Gary L. Arkoff  arkoff@lclark.edu     *at Lewis and Clark College.

Me neither. *wink*

But seriously, I don't think I've ever met a Diplomacy player who _wouldn't_
stab his/her prime ally if given the right circumstances. Granted, there are
alliances that are or aren't important to varying degrees, so those
circumstances also vary. Personally, I like to have one ally I'm extremely
loyal to for the vast majority of the game, to the extent that I need to stab
them for the win (i.e. I and my ally are the only two _major_ (4+ SCs) powers
left on the board). Thus, most of the time I do not stab and am scrupulously
honest -- which makes the final stab, if necessitated, all that much more of a
surprise.

So that's the long way to answer your question. The short way? THAT'S THE GAME.
JUST ABOUT EVERYONE DOES. Want a percent? I'll venture that only about 1%-2% of
experienced players, if that, _never_ stab, and even less never _consider_
stabbing.
-- 
Brian R. Landwehr
Mankato State University
tarod@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Constantinople
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:48:16 GMT

	What exactly are the movement rules in regards to constantinople?  
Can an army pass throught constantinople from Ankra to Bulgaria? Can a fleet  
pass from the Black sea to the Aegean sea? Thanks much.
---
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not  
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon 

Mark E. Brodsky
Northwestern University
Evanston, Ill.
E-mail: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
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	markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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From: randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: New judge running with thanks to the EFF
Date: 20 Nov 1992 19:14:36 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <By1A5u.2t0@world.std.com> kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar) writes:
>		There's a new judge in town ....

[much deleted for sake of brevity]

>  I am currently taking requests for the moderator of the first
>game on the new judge. I would like the game to be named "lowe"
>and the second to be named "eff". After that, it is in your hands.

A fitting tribute, says I.

People, this is truly amazing (in the good sense!!!).  Less than a week
after the "death of the Judge", here is a new one.  A big thanks to David
and to the EFF ("Chamipions of Freedom" <grin>).

Let the games begin....  (well, heed the 10 game max, of course)

-- 
Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: dyer@rtsg.mot.com (Bill Dyer)
Subject: Replacement needed
Summary: Need replacement for France in game elguapo
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:35:53 GMT


A replacement for France is needed in the game elguapo
on the Washington judge.  This is a loeb9 game in only
its second year.  France is in a bad, but not hopeless
(although I guess the former play thought it was)
situation.  If you are interested, please join in so
we can keep this game going.

Later,

-Bill

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From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
Subject: Re: It's not too late...
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:56:53 GMT
Organization: Information Services, Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, PA, USA

wchaga@vela.acs.oakland.edu (William C. Haga) writes:
:Someone please post an address we should send them to.

I think it's:

	Ken Lowe
	University of Washington
	JE-30
	Seattle, WA 98195

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Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Re: Standard Protocol for Diplomacy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:27:36 GMT

In article <ELLIOTTM.92Nov16232257@beach.csulb.edu> elliottm@beach.csulb.edu (Mike Elliott) writes:
>>  I am working on an X Interface to Diplomacy, to enable you to point and click 
>>  your moves, amd see graphically and in colour, where the other players are.
>>  Also, something like a replay feature where you can see the previous turns 
>>  moves.
>
>Since there's no hard real-time requirement about it, I'd recommend plain
>ASCII.  Something with a rigid, easily parsed structure which would also be
>humanly readable, just to check it.
>

  I wrote up a yacc/lex parser for the current judge output in about an hour
or two. I didn't try and parse everything, but I got everything important.
I'd suggest just working with what you've got, ie the human readable judge
output, and working on the display. You can always slap a new parser in later.
And, this way, noone has to change judge.

  I'm really swamped at the moment, but I will clean up my parser and post
it at some point. Thanks to everyone who provided input.

-David


Newsgroups: rec.games.diplomacy
From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: Diplomacy Adjuciator
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:14:08 GMT

An interesting idea as an option; the thing I like about the pbem is that
I don't have to sit and spend a largish chunk of time after much negotiating
over schedules in order to play.  Else I'd just do this real time.


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