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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: Trill problems (was: Lurking Plot Complications)
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:18:46 GMT

Perhaps the Trill have more than one species with whom they have 'Host
Covenants.'?  Certainly this is possible, as Riker acted as a temporary
"host".
In article <1993Jan7.140952.1@pearl.tufts.edu>
rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
 
>
>In article <1993Jan6.224632.14322@leland.Stanford.EDU>, trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>> If you remember, in the TNG episode
>> with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
>> hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the
>> worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in
>> good health.
>
>In "The Host," Odan refuses to be transported even BEFORE he's injured,
>although he doesn't say why, except that he prefers not to use the thing
>(rather like McCoy, though more diplomatic in his objections).  After the
>host body died, Crusher stated that transport would kill the "parasite."
>No mention was made here of transport being harmful AFTER INJURY; it was
>just plain harmful.  Also, I got the distinct impression that Odan wasn't
>injured, just his host body, although there's no dialog directly addressing
>this issue.
>
>Of course, the DS9 producers COULD just say that Odan was so transporter
>phobic that he made everything up.  :-)  If so, he and Barclay should go
>into therapy together or form a support group or something!  :-)
>
>I also couldn't help but notice that in "The Host," both Trills we saw had
>TNG Forehead Ridges (tm), but those are replaced by DS9 Neck Freckles (tm)
>in DS9.  Methinks somebody got a bit confused in the makeup department.
>
>                                        --Rod Smith
>                                          RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN musings
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:10:53 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1993Jan07.052249.18711@admiral.uucp>, dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
> In article <00966280.FB446D60@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2186filterj@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>Well, I just watched Deep Space Nine the Premiere last night and here's what I
>>thought.  But first....
>>
>>WARNING! WARNING! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! WARNING!
>>the following text may or may not contain spoilers.  read at your own risk
> 
>>
>>
>>And just in case that little bugger didn't work
>>
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>>There.....
>>
>>One thing that bothered me -- and I almost hate to bring it up -- but did
>>anyone else see that O'Brien was only wearing a single hollow pip?  Maybe I
>>missed the other solid pip, but I don't think so.  If that was the case, then
>>he is enlisted.

Continuity error... Many times he's seen with more than one pip... but yeah
it was one hollow pip... the last I heard he was a Lt (jg) which should be
one solid and one hollow...
> 
> Not only that, but in the scene between Picard and O'Brien in the transporter
> room just before O'Brien leaves for DSN, doesn't Picard call O'Brien 
> *Ensign*? I'm going to watch it again this Thursday, and listen very carefully.
> 

nonononono... he was talking the ensign running the transporter...

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From: dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:12:12 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes:
> I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
> What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
> reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
> they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
> must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.
> 
> It reminds me of what a favorite author of mine once said,
> and I paraphrase,"Why should women have to become like
> men to get what men get simply because they ARE men?"
> 
> Know what I'm saying?

Yes - Yaawwwwwwnnnnnn!

> 
> -Dawn

Dave
From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Troi's accent
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 01:19:55 -0500

On 1/9/93, Lisa Radloff was heard to say regarding "Troi's accent:" 

  LR> From: radloff@cs.uiuc.edu (Lisa Radloff) Newsgroups:
  LR> rec.arts.startrek.current Organization: University of Illinois, Dept.
  LR> of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
  LR> 
 [...]
  LR> Well, it's funny that they felt they needed to explain away Marina
  LR> Sirtis' Greek origin accent--part of watching this is to suspend
  LR> disbelief, so it shouldn't matter what anyone sounds like or what
  LR> color they are, acting, after all is (or should be) without racial
  LR> bias.  remember the whole shakespeare's "Othello" arguments?
  LR> 
      Actually, though she is of Greek ethnicity, her 'real' accent is British.
What we hear is something she kludged together because she didn't want it
identified as being 'earthlike.'  I get a kick out of hearing her pronounce
words differently in different episodes.

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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:00:55 GMT

ez033589@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:

>In article <1993Jan8.112603.58266@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT) writes:
>>right up to the present (TNG/DS9) as a defense against all cloaked
>>adversaries, not just ones that can fire while cloaked?  Which leads
>>to yet another question: If the one warbird that could fire while
>>cloaked that the Klingons had produced was destroyed by this
>>nearly-believable photon, is it feasible to believe the Klingons did
>>not have the capability to make more?  Which leads to a third question:

>These two "inconsistencies" sort of explain each other. Obviously, gas anomaly
>tracking equipment will track only ships cloaked with the device that allows
>them to fire. Since ships cloaked with such a device are so easy to detect, the
>Klingons shelved it and returned to the original design.

>This is supported by the fact that TNG Klingon and Romulan ships have been shown
>to have to decloak to fire.

Sorry to waste band-width for such a small thing but: THANK YOU!

Finally someone is thinking with his head!! :)

I was waiting to see if anyone had responded intellegantly thank you again.

		CtB
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 4 Jan 1993 11:54:17 CST
From: <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The worms within...

In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting in a
humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the same species
that figured in an episode of TNG, in which Dr. Crusher was romantically in-
volved with a man who was also a host for a wormlike creature (an ambassador
of some sort), who had to be parked in Riker's body temporarily until the
new host (a woman, who ended the episode by saying she loved Beverly) arrived?

                                              Mitch Pravatiner
                                              U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
From: kennardn@phred.UUCP (Kennard Nielsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Spoilers?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: kennardn@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

Forgive my ignorance, but I'm new to internet as well as this group: What's
a "SPOILER"?
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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Should I bother?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:25:40 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

		Do people (esp. collectors like Vidiot, e.g.) really need a
synopsis of DSN episodes? I'll do them if a good number of people seem to want
them but if they just go unnoticed then I'll put my time to better use.

 
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:39:57 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Trill problems (was: Lurking Plot Complications)
 <1993Jan6.224632.14322@leland.Stanford.EDU>
 <1993Jan7.140952.1@pearl.tufts.edu>

In article <1993Jan7.140952.1@pearl.tufts.edu>, rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu says:
>
>In article <1993Jan6.224632.14322@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>> If you remember, in the TNG episode
>> with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
>> hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the
>> worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in
>> good health.
>
>In "The Host," Odan refuses to be transported even BEFORE he's injured,
>although he doesn't say why, except that he prefers not to use the thing
>(rather like McCoy, though more diplomatic in his objections).  After the
>host body died, Crusher stated that transport would kill the "parasite."
>No mention was made here of transport being harmful AFTER INJURY; it was
>just plain harmful.  Also, I got the distinct impression that Odan wasn't
>injured, just his host body, although there's no dialog directly addressing
>this issue.
>
>Of course, the DS9 producers COULD just say that Odan was so transporter
>phobic that he made everything up.  :-)  If so, he and Barclay should go
>into therapy together or form a support group or something!  :-)
>
>I also couldn't help but notice that in "The Host," both Trills we saw had
>TNG Forehead Ridges (tm), but those are replaced by DS9 Neck Freckles (tm)
>in DS9.  Methinks somebody got a bit confused in the makeup department.
>
>                                        --Rod Smith
>                                          RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
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I can just see it now --

B.B. King, as a tranporter chief, mistakenly transports Jazdia Dax.
When she(it?) dies, he grabs his guitar and wails

"The Trill is gone...."

Terry  (begins to don his flame-proof suit)
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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:21:19 GMT

Dawn Owens-Nicholson (dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
: What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
: reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
: they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
: must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.
: 
: It reminds me of what a favorite author of mine once said,
: and I paraphrase,"Why should women have to become like
: men to get what men get simply because they ARE men?"
: 
: Know what I'm saying?


  Yes, ma'am.



 

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are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first.
From: scott@kronos.com (Scott Riegelhaupt-Herzig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Summary: "Mister" in the U.S. Navy
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:52:38 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.163921.2408@afit.af.mil> kmathias@afit.af.mil (Karl S Mathias) writes:
>
>The "Mr. Saavik" in STII is actually "Mister Saavik" - Mister is a
>reference to officer rank in the US Navy (which ranks I don't recall), not a
>reference to gender.  
>
"Mister" is used in the U.S. Navy when referred to those from
midshipmen to Lt. Commander, inclusive.

                                        <S>
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From: jackies@fc.hp.com (Jackie Sheddy X6958)
Subject: Re: DS9 uniforms
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:12:15 GMT
Organization: The Edge of the Final Frontier
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Rick Lindsley (rick@eaglet.rain.com) wrote:
:  Spoilers Ahead
: 
: cary.726378601@digex> cary@access.digex.com (Cary R. Stephan) writes:
: 
:     The DS9 uniforms are different because they are base personnel so
:     as to distinguish them from starship (line) personnel.  A good
:     idea, but it was silly to have OBrien changing back and forth like
:     Clark Kent esp. as he was no longer assigned to the E but rather to
:     DS9.
: 
: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen) writes:
: 
:     I thought it was a rather nice touch.  It was obvious (to me
:     anyway) that O'Brien wanted to say good-by to his former Captain
:     (even though he changed his mind when Picard was not on the Bridge)
:     and it was a sign of respect to be in his regular Starfleet uniform
:     while doing so.
: 
: Ok, then, what's the rationalization for Sisko changing his uniform
: when he initially went to visit Picard? Especially when he said to Kira
: "this will just take a minute" (or something to that effect.)
: 
: I could live with base and ship uniforms being different, but the way
: it was handled in The Emissary made me wonder if the transporter wasn't
: doing it automatically :)
: 
: Rick

	Seems to me that the station uniform was more along the lines of
	a jumpsuit.  I know that in present time, Navy submariners  wear
	jumpsuits  or  overalls  while  on their  boats,  but  wear  the
	standard uniform when going anywhere else.

--
Regards,

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Hate is NOT a Family Value!!
From: mwaa+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew S. Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has att
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:08:41 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 02-Jan-93 in DS9: Avery Brooks has att    
user Scott Hollifield@the-mat writes:
>I'm sure you speak for a good many people, and my response is:  Fandom,
>leave YOUR ego at the door.
> 
>Television acting IS a job.  That's what Avery Brooks is being hired for,
>to act.  If he does a good job (and judging by his past performances, I
>have every reason to believe he will), then we fans will be lucky to have
>him as part of Star Trek.  He, or any other Star Trek actor, is under no
>obligation whatsoever to appear at conventions; it's not part of the job
>description.  From what I've seen at some of the cons, I'm not sure *I'd*
>want to appear at them either.
> 
>Avery Brooks can best serve Star Trek, and Star Trek fandom, by giving the
>best performances he is capable of giving.  Period.
> 

I couldn't agree more with Scott.  I love ST, and have met many of the
actors at cons--experiences I've enjoyed, for the most part.  Still,
these folks are actors, and (IMHO) are no more obligated to hob-nob with
fans at cons (or anywhere else) than we are obligated, as fans of the
show, to shell out bucks to go meet the actors whenever they show up in
town.  I like the job Avery Brooks did in "Emissary."  I think he'll
make a fine addition to the ST pantheon of characters, but he's Avery
Brooks, professional actor, not Benjamin Sisko, Space Station Commander.
 I doubt anyone would have advised Paramount to pick an inferior actor
who was less reticent about convention appearances.  I like Dustin
Hoffman's movies a lot.  I go to see them all, but I don't expect him to
come to my birthday party.
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From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Subject: Re: Dax is too thin!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:32:03 GMT

>>She is just too thin. There no room for this slug in her and 
>>internal organs at the same time. And why do they keep changing
>>sex when they change hosts?.  
>
>If the humanoid half of the Trill have evolved to hold that slug in
>their bodies then she probably has a convenient little cavity in her
>abdomen.  Also, I noticed that the slug they showed in the DS9
>premiere was much smaller than the one in "The Host" (as least from
>memory).  Maybe TPTB thought of how it would fit in her body, too.

The symbiont (sp) from DS9 is definitely smaller than the one from
"The Host." I was very surprised when I saw that, because it's such
an obvious size difference that is easily checkable.

Jean


>
>Besides, I like her abdomen just the way it is. ;)
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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9: Music == BLECH
Date: 9 Jan 93 07:15:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

The subject says it all: the music underwhelmed me....but so did the show,
so what the hell.

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From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Subject: Re: Riker being a Jerk...
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:07:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current

In article <ewright.725822931@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com
(Edward V. Wright) wrote:
> 
> In <athos-301292204200@kip2-34.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
> 
> >Picard was under the command of the ADMIRAL, not the Captain of the
> >Enterprise.  Therefore it would be Starfleet's problem, not his.
> 
> And if the Admiral called up and said, "We've decided that you should
> rescue, Picard," Jellico would have ended up with egg on his face.
> You can imagine him standing there while the Admiral asks, "Well,
> why *don't* you have a contingency plan, Captain?"
> 
> When you get to the rank of Captain, you're expected to show a little
> initiative and be capable of anticipating what your superiors might
> ask for.

I completely agree IF the person is under your command.  That mission (the
covert operation) was separate from Jellicoe and he had no idea when or
where they were.  To have a plan would have been silly.  That would be like
asking the Captain of the Nimitz to have a plan for some marine special ops
force that he transports somewhere.  It's not his job, nor should it be. 
He is JUST transport, period.


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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Subject: Re: WHO'S HOTTEST ON DS9?
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:35:05 GMT

>My God!  I thought that this would be over after the Troi nonsense.  What
>in the name of (insert favorite holy symbol) does this really matter?  
>Aren't we old enough by now to end this sophomoric rating on a
>"Babe-o-meter?"

Nope...I second it -- Nana Visitor gets my vote!

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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:08:41 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <cboerm48.726423425@ursa>, cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
|> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
|> 
|> >Minor spoiler ahead:
|> 
|> >Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
|> >I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
|> >should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.
|> >I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
|> >duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
|> >be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
|> >against the wall).
|> 
|> If I remember correctly, someone somewhere said that it's very hard and
|> stressful for Odo to shapeshift. Takes a lot out of him and therefore
|> he can't do it a lot to save the day every time.
|> 
|> >It would be well to further define his environmental requirements.
|> >Does he require oxygen (or some other atmospheric gas)?  Can he survive
|> >high/low atmosperic pressure, what temperature range can he survive in,
|> >does he have similar requirements to humans for food and water?
|> 
|> I agree completely. He's mass changed WAY to much from a small bag to a
|> humanoid. Here's another few points:
|> 	
|>     1) If he's only imitating human form (humanoid isn't his natural
|>        shape I'm told) why isn't he more human looking??
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 I wondered about this too.  He even says he just assumes his (humaniod)
 appearence just to fit in.  If so, then why doesn't he look Bajorian (sp?)
 or Cardassian or handsome?  No one else looks like him, so that isn't 
 trying too hard to fit it, is it?

 TRAVIS

  

 
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