From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Subject: Re: Children in Same-gender Families
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:09:48 GMT

In <598@blue.cis.pitt.edu> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:

>This is the most over simplistic bit of psycho babble I've ever heard.
>Let me have your phone number and I'll be glad to let you speak to my 
>wife, who was raised from the age of six by her "bi-sexual" mother and
>her live in lesbian "partner".  You will never hear a more intense hatred
>of homosexuals in your life.  Even after thirty plus years she still
>anguishes over the years of emotional torment she endured at school and
>in other social situations.  And contrary to the popular yack-itty-yack
>all the love, understanding and explaining did little make thing easier
>to the point that even after all these years they're just barely on 
>speaking terms.  

>Some may console themselves with, "if you teach them right they'll understand
>it better", but the truth is (as you can easily see in the increases in anti-
>gay violence) when you try to force teach your minority beliefs or knowingly
>cause your children to endure social ridicule they will more likely react 
>as children do; by rejecting their families, their beleifs and harbour 
>mostly bitterness.  Take a look at the legal briefs filed in the state of
>Florida's attempts to keep homosexuals from adopting children.  There are
>more than a few studies that show a negative impact on the emotional well
>being of children raised by gay couples.

>It's the oldest story in the history of raising children and they have
>a single word for it: rebellion.

If this example were to have been truly representative, we'd see a lot of
kids raised in mom-n-pop families turning into heterophobes, wouldn't we?

My mother has had a female lover for a number of years, and I haven't yet
turned into a homophobe, so that just about cancels your example out.

Rebellion doesn't count for everything.  What counts most is the attitude of
the parents toward their child, be they homo or hetero.  Any parent can be
abusive, restrictive, coddling, etc.  These things have nothing to do with
sexual orientation.  My "parents" have taught me a lot about tolerance of
different kinds of people.  That doesn't mean all lesbians or gays have this
ability.  Things aren't quite as black and white as you make them out to be.

>PSG
>-- 
>America must've gone through quite a change the last month and a half.  Since
>Clinton promised a cabinet that "would look more like America," it must be that
>we've all become far left academicians or career politicians.  The ivory tower
>is rebuilt, communism lives and its advocates are working for Bill Clinton! 

Since when has any president's party rhetoric been anything but highfalutin
bullshit?  If you believed it in the first place, you're a fool.  I care about
what Clinton does, not what he says.  So far he hasn't done much, so I'm
reserving judgement.  On the other hand, I'll never have an opportunity to
see what you do in your life; all I have to go on is your rhetoric, and if
it remains consistent with your silly commie-baiting .sig, it bodes not well
for the quality of your future posts.

--
Yosha Bourgea                   "Newspapers screamed for blood...
grendel@camelot.bradley.edu     it was the best of times."
Squid Power                              --Sting

From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:41:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Homophobe: A definition please!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA