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From: sandy@happy.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re:l-tryptophan
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:44:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

L-trypotophan is what you find in warm milk that makes you sleepy.  I have used
straight l-tryptophan and found that it worked very well.  Gateway Products
makes this and it's a little cheaper than buying Cool and Calm.  However,
tryptophan doesn't work on all horses all the time.  If you use Cool and Calm
the best way to use it is to give 2 tubes (I know, that's expensive) on an
empty stomach about 4 hours before you show.  I have used it my horses at
National Western Stock Show as that place is a zoo and there are no decent warm
-up facilities (hopefully the new complex will take care of that problem).  I
don't think it's dangerous to use tryptophan as it is a natural substance.


Sandy Matthews			Sandy@happy.colorado.edu
Sandmarc Appaloosas
From: fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: best pal's foot
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:12:32 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


It sounds like Best Pal has what we call a "gravel".  This is whan a small
stone becomes embedded in the hoof.  It will work its way up the hoof wall
and pop out at the coronet.  Soaking the foot in epsom salts or other 
"drawing" agent will speed up the process.  The horse may or may not be lame
depending on the structures the gravel is pressing against on its way thru
the hoof.  My mare had one last fall that took 3 months to come out.  She
was lame off and on, there was no evidence of the gravel until it came out!
It didn't show up on x-rays, which surprised me.

Leigh Casey
From: cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:07:07 GMT
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing

In article <1992Apr13.232741.27947@cabezon.uucp> lizt@cabezon.uucp (B. Elizabeth Trojan) writes:
>
>I am thinking of getting a new dressage saddle. I presently
>have a Stubben which is a nice enough saddle but it fits a
>bit too tightly through the withers on my horse. Other saddles
>that I have been looking at are Keiffers, Counties, and Passiers.
>I would also be interested in names, addresses, and phone numbers
>for saddle discount houses and your experiences with them.
>
>
>
>Liz Trojan 
>(503)246-7850



I have a Passier so I'm a bit biased.  It is by far the best made
dressage saddle I have ever seen.  I know a woman who bought her Passier
in 1962 and the saddle is as good today as it was then.  Passier makes a
number of different models.  The Westphalin (sp) seems to be very popular,
but some people prefer the Century which does not have such a deep seat.

Lots of people swear by their Counties, but I have never used one.

I would stay away from the Keiffer.  Around here, people are really
unloading them and I have heard a number of complaints about how the
saddle positions you.  

There is a newly popular saddle whose name slips my mind.  I think the
German Dressage team uses it.  I have heard a number of people rave about
it.  Can anyone remember what it is called.

Good Luck!

Carol
From: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Help...more info
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3

Well it is not really as simple as it sounde
time and her parents were/are military... and the last
address I have for is at a military base.  They left that
base 2 years before they sold the horse.  In the last 6 years
this horse has had 9 owners, I can and have affidavids from
all but the first three they are in colorado.  One has just been
too busy to get back to me and the other two I have no names for
So I can't track them down.   

I have a friend of a friend looking for people who know this
girl.  Or her family.  but so far I havn't gotten any news
I have spent the last six months making all kinds
of phone calls and have made some head way  All I need to find
out now is her fathers rank in the airforce and the post locator
can tell me where they are now.

Thanks for listening
Kim and Alex
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: number on HI TECH STIRRUPS
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:00:46 GMT

Here is the onfo on the stirrups:

FLEX RIDE STIRRUPS
HI TECH TACK cO
P.O. Box 464
Mokelumne Hill, CA
95245
209-286-1242

I really like these stirrups.  I think the are saving my right knee,
and I like the flexing when I post.  They are 3.5 inches wide, and I
had the ones with the glued-in vibram, and toe-guard.  They are
supposed to be unbreakable.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: D5.F72@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Rolex 3-Day Questions - Help!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:34:11 GMT

Well, I am starting to get excited about our trip to the Rolex
3-day next week.  But I haven't a clue what to pack with regards
to the weather.  As I recall, someone said that they would post
the weather report prior to the event.  I would greatly appreciate
a posting by Monday (the last chance I'll get to read the news).

Another question for the local folks (local to Lexington, that is):
Is there someplace nearby where I could get a dressage or jumping
lesson? (Obviously, I will not be bringing a horse, so will need
the use of a horse as a pre-requisite to having a lesson.)  I am
an intermediate rider - riding beginner Novice Horse Trials (2'9") &
Training Level #1 & #3 dressage tests.  I also show hunter/jumper.

An aside to any netters attending the Rolex 3-day: I did pay for the
"Member's Club" as had been advised...there was some talk of trying
to get together in the Member's tent at some point...anymore about
this?

Thanks in advance

Gary Sanders (gary%cardiology@stanford.edu)
From: dionysia@netlink.cts.com (Dionysia Marqueza)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: DEATH OF A SCHOOL HORSE
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:43:00 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

DOREEN@hcacad.holycross.edu writes:

> 
>      Hi again,
>           This really has not been a very good couple of weeks for our
>      equine friends.  I was supposed to have a lesson tonight and my
>      instructor called to cancel.  The reason being that they had to
>      put down one of the school horses today because he had coliced (sp?) 
>      during the night.  Of course, Sox (short for Socrates), was my
>      favorite; just a good ole Joe.  Even though he wasn't mine, he 
>      most certainly will be missed.  What I would like to do is write
>      a letter to the owners (he was leased by the barn) just telling
>      them how special a horse he was to me and I guess to offer my
>      condolences (sp?).  For you horse owners, this doesn't sound too
>      tacky does it?  I'd really appreciate your input on this matter.
> 
>                                              Thanks, 
>                                                   Doreen


        Do it! It wouldn't be tacky or inappropriate...

        Dionysia & Corey (and once upon a time, Saracen, who now lives in the 
breath of the wind...)

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From: qhwpyd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Cynthia Goff)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: L-Trytophan?
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:11:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45361


     L-Tryptophan is one of the essential amino acids.  Lysine, isoleucine,
threonine, histamine, methionine, proline, valine, arginine, and I think
leucine finishes out the 12 essential amino acids.  If you want more info
on it, let me know.  I am a senior at Purdue University in animal sciences
and am currently taking a monogastric nutrition class.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: horse keeping costs
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:56:52 GMT

In article <DOCONNOR.92Apr12220755@pima.inews.intel.com> doconnor@pima.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor) writes:
>

>Acording to "The Horse", ISBN 0-7167-0491-9 (one of my wife's textbooks):
>
>  Horses should receive a minimum of 1 to 1.5% of their body weight per day
>  in roughage feeds (grass or legume hay) per day. Heavily worked horses,
>  mares in foal or nursing, and young horses need more nutrtion, and this
>  should be provided through grain, beteen 0.25% and 2.5% of body weight a day.
>
>For a 1000 lb horse, this is 10-15 pounds of hay per day. 

I've read things like this in books too, but think it's too little
for most horses.  My 600-lb. donkey eats more hay than that.
If Penny ate only 15 lbs of hay a day, she'd be skin and bones in
no time.  During the winter when there is no pasture grass to
eat, she can easily eat 35 pounds of grass hay a day and not gain weight.


>	2. "hay belly", a permanent enlargement of the cecum caused
>	   by consumption of large quantities of low-quality roughage.
>	   Easthetically unpleasing, but harmless, I think.
>

I remember my vet telling me one time that the "hay belly" is usually caused
by a protein deficiency (hay with VERY low protein).  I free feed
hay and have never had a problem.
My vets have several horses and they free feed hay too and don't have
hay-belly problems.

   Dorothy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey)
Subject: Re: Equine Heart Monitors?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:04:24 GMT

How is the heart monitor attached?
-- 
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
carey@a.cs.uiuc.edu {uu-net,pur-ee,convex,...}!uiucdcs!carey
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6820230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 8 Re: Amelia Island, Florida
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:17:47 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

>BTW, we'll be taking our 8 month old daughter with us to Amelia
>Island.  Any special considerations?  What about taking her on
>a horse with one of us?  My wife is the more experienced rider
>but I'm a little concerned.

I think your concerns are justified.  I don't know how well your wife rides,
but from the sounds of your note, you would be riding horses you are not
familiar with, in terrain your not familiar with, using tack your not familiar
with.  In other words, you won't know what the horse is spooky of, what is
out there that might spook it, or what condition the tack is in that you will
be using.  Why expose your daughter to those risks when she is too young to
either enjoy or remember the ride?

This is my opinion, and was not intended as a flame. -- Heidi Simonsen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Best Pal's foot
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:45:09 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr14.130527.10928@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Kitty Cummings) writes:
> I believe this is 'GRAVEL' or is it 'QUITOR', I always ge tthe two
> confused.  Anyone got a book handy that can help me out?
> 
> Anyway, it is a known condition, i believe the foriegn material getting
> into the sole (ussually dirt, stones, etc) work there way up through the
> soft tissue of the sensitive laminae and will erupt in a 'boil' like
> puss pocket at the top of the hoof around the coronary band.  I beleive
> treatment is hot packing, soaking, icthammol, etc as you would use for
> other boils or puss pockets/absesses.
> 
> Kitty Cummings
> Kit-Mar Appaloosas
> Ritter Hof German Shepherds

These can be quite nasty.  We have an old mare who came to us in pitiful
condition, a rescue case.  Anyway, she had an abcess work its way out of
a hind foot, when it burst above the coronet band it also split down the
hoof.  We had to do extensive farrier work on her, bar shoe to hold her
foot together until it healed, etc.  Quite a mess, loads of antibiotic
shots.  Poor thing, she got to where she hated to see me coming, every time
I came in the barn I was jabbing a needle in her.

Sue
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: endurance saddles
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:37:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Could everyone who has dug up information on this subject please send me
copies of catalogs or pamphlets or e-mail me the addresses and phone
numbers of the various companies that you have talked to as I am 
currently putting together the research for a book on saddle fitting
and would like to get as many of the hundreds of theories as possible.
To make things simpler I already have a copy of the most recent 
Ortho-Flex catalog, info on Wintecs, ordinary English and Western
saddles, its the info on these new companies making endurance saddles
that I don't have.  I also need info on Aussie saddles.  Thank you
in advance.  If I get enough response/interest I will post a synopsis
of the info/theories of saddle building.

				Tracy Scheinkman
				P.O. Box 43068
				Tucson, AZ  85733
 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com (Jodie Gilmore)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:54:56 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Bytes: 338

Well, this may be a dumb suggestion, but the description of this
mare reminds me a lot of a gelding a friend of mine had at one
time--and the name would fit either sex:  Babyface.  I know
it is a silly name, but it sure fit him: timid, but friendly, awfully
cute, with long lashes. At least not many horses are named this!

Jodie Gilmore
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.224513.1@scivax.stsci.edu> rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:

>Sounds like a neat story!   But you're right, that name is a mouthful!
>From her description, she sounds like a Coquette to me, and her given name
>is close:  Co-Ket

>  (is that reaching too far?  ;-))

Reaching?  You call that reaching?  Let me show you some reaching! :-)

The past couple of months my every waking moment seems to have been
involved with ham radio.  I've taken more tests than I took in college
(or at least, it seems that way!)  So, when reading through her lineage,
I noticed an ancestor named Balanced Line, I immediately thought of names
like Coax and Balun.  And, to reach a little further, if I spelled Kay
"Que", I could call her CQ, which (in ham jargon) is the term used when
one is trying to make contact with whoever's out there, listening.  And
since this was anything but a scheduled contact... :-)  I guess it could
also derive from Coquette.

So, you can see why I need help!  (And not just with the name, but that's
beside the point. :-)  )  Plus the fact that, every time I tell someone
her name is Co Kay Sem, the think I said "Cocaine"... :-(

Anyway, I'd like to thank everyone for the suggestions.  Some of them
duplicate other horses I've known, like Katie and Cody.  A couple of
folks suggested Baby or Babyface;  by some coincidence, one of the barn
workers has been calling her Baby.  Unfortunately, that's also the name
of one of my Dobermans.  And Cookie was also the name of one of our
boarders (an owner, not a horse).  Of course, he's gone, and he probably
wouldn't mind sharing his name with a horse...Anyway, I've got a great
list of suggestions to try on for size.  I'm sure one of them will click
as ol' What's Her Name and I get better acquainted!  Thanks again.

Roberta
...and the menagerie
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Saddles for sale
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:44:54 EST
Organization: Wright State University 



	I haven't tried very hard to sell these saddles and I thought perhaps
someone on the net might be interested.  
	For Sale:

	Close contact new hunt saddle, 17 inch seat, no knee rolls, show
quality, *VERY* nice.  Made in England by Triple Crown. Dark brown with
slightly lighter seat.  This is a great saddle, unfortunately it doesn't
fit my wide withered Arab mare so will sacrifice for $350 plus shipping.
(Retails for $700)

	Rare and lovely antique side saddle, estimated to be 150 years 
old.  In useable and restorable condition, original stirrup, original
linen underpadding.  The saddle is made out of black leather and canvas,
the seat and the near side skirt are black canvas, very heavily scroll
embroidered.  This is a rather small saddle, but, ladies were tinier
back then!  Since it's much too small for my rather wide posterior, will
sell for $300 plus shipping.  

Photos available for both saddles for serious buyers.

Sue Bishop

(Dayton, Ohio area)
                         
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: gaylyn@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Gaylyn Gladstone)
Subject: Re: arthritic hock  (long)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 16:59:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.223716.15736@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>
>Everyone here has always been so helpful, that once again I am turning to the
>net for information and support.
>
>I just had some rather distressing news from my vet.  Quest has arthritis in his
>right hock (we only x-rayed the right, though I guess maybe it is in both).
>
>
>I've been doing some reading, and already have some questions for the vet:
>*Can she tell how long the arthritis has been there?
>*My books mention "bone spavin" alot, is that a generic term for arthrosis of
>the hock or does it refer to a specific type?
>*What is all this I read about the bones of the hock fusing, then soundness
>returning? Does it apply to Quest?
>*What can I expect for the near future, and long term?
>*What kind of things can I do to improve the condition--if any?  Yucca?  MSM?
>
>any comments?
>
>Has anyone else had experience with this?  Any info would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Melanie
>   and Quest
>
         
My horse, War, has arthritis in his front left leg.  His arthritis is the
result of an injury and the subseqeunt fusion of the joint.  My vet has
War on Adequan therapy intramuscular (but I think this is to combat the 
pressure of a fatty pad that presses against the tendons and joint fluid)  and
War is also on Yucca supplement.  I was very skeptical at first since there
is little scientific evidence that I could find that would support the use
of Yucca, especially such small quantities, in a *huge* horse.  My vet said
that is has worked to relieve arthritis pain in about 50% of the horses he
cares for.  Well... we're now one of those 50%.  I can tell when War hasn't
had his supplement because he is a bit stiff and he takes about 40 minutes
to warm up into any kind of work.  War is also a very young, just 6, so I
know that arthritis can happen for many reasons including old injury sights.

Talk to your vet about Yucca, it might be worth the $16-20 investment, which
usually will last about 1.5 months.  Try to get 100% or 90% Yucca.  Anything
less is generally a waste of $$.  Give the supplement twice a day, usually
mixed in with something because the Yucca is a very *fine* powder.  One sniff
from Quest and it's up in the air.  If you don't see any positive results
after 5 days, double the recommended dose and look for results within 5 days.
(This is what my vet has prescribed for War)  The brand that I like is called
"Solid Gold" but I'm not sure if it is only available in California.  My vet
is very pleased with the results of this treatment.  He didn't think War would
have much of a free stride by now (1 year later) but War is doing just fine and
we're begining 2nd level work.  Hopefully, this could be a simple solution
for you and Quest.  Keep us posted on the progress, I'm very interested!

Gaylyn Gladstone
From: sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com (Jodie Gilmore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: biotin supplement
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:05:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr8.120539.25525
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 1521

I promised to provide more detailed info on the supplement I'm feeding
Mira to help her hooves grow better and not chip:

The stuff is called Bio-Meth Powder, and
is manufactured by Vet-a-mix, Inc. It says "for vet. use only", which makes
me think you have to buy it from a vet. I've never seen it in the catalogs.
My vet sells it for $29.00 for 400 grams, and their prices are very
reasonable (they sell Strongid C for almost $20 less than other local
vets!). The guaranteed analysis (per 400g) is:
                        d-Biotin  ......... 0.225% ........ 900 mg
                        DL-Methionine ..... 75.0%  .... 300,000 mg
According to my vet, it's the DL-Methionine which is really important,
because this is a sulphur compound that is integral to the hoof wall,
and a lack of it can negatively affect the hoof wall bondings.

According to the instructions on the bottle, the dose for an average
horse (1000-1200 lbs.) is 15 mg biotin and 5 g DL-Methionine (about
2 slightly rounded teaspoons a day). It also says "supplementation may
be necessary for 6-9 months."

The address of the manufacutring company is:
                        Vet-a-mix, Inc.
                        Shenandoah, Iowa 51601

Well, hope this helps--let me know if there is anything I left out
that you wanted to know!
--
Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com

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-- 
Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com

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From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse keeping costs
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:52:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr2.221201.10524@oz.plymouth.edu> j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.101324.6789@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>I have always wondered how people who board horses can justify the cost.  I
>>
>>Anyway, if anyone out there boards horses for a living, I'd love to know how
>>you make out on expenses/profit if you care to share your secrets with
>>a very curious horse owner.
>>
>  A couple of things you didn't mention that contribute significantly to
>the cost of keeping horses at home:  mortgage on the property and
>property taxes.  These are some of the things you help pay for when you
>baord a horse somewhere.  I used to manage a stable for my parents.  in
>five years we never even broke even.  

I just wanted to add that in my experience of being around boarding
stables (about 30 years), I have seen many owners go under.  The ones
that make it seem to be either people who have successful other
businesses on the side or just plain old big money in the family.
Long-standing stables in our area are those that include lots of
lessons, horse buying and selling, or a livery business.  The small
boarder seems lucky to break even - they usually fold after a while.
Around here, insurance rates alone can make boarding other people's
horses non-profitable.

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM