HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: 'Invisible' Modem
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:05:10 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>How can I connect two modems via a leased line in a way, that the modems
>appear 'invisible' on the RS232 side. After power up or after DTR getting
>active, they should establish a connection. Unfortunately I cannot convince
>the aplications on the RS232-Side to send commands like ATA or ATD to the
>modems. So my questions are:

The manual for the Telebit T2500 claims that it supports exactly this kind
of feature, but I've never had occasion to use it.  I'm not sure if the
TB+ supports this, since I don't have a manual handy, but it's fairly
likely that the T3000/Worldblazer can do it.

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From: johnboyd@OCDIS01.OC.AFLC.AF.MIL (John Boyd;LAHDI)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: 16550* and XTs
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:41:04 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I have been told that replacing the 8250 UART in an XT to a 16550* will not
help, and that it isn't possible to get the faster data rates out of an XT.

Is this correct, or is there some esoteric point that they neglected to
mention?  Please avoid the obvious 'upgrade the computer' answer.  I would
if I could, but we have to make use of all that we've got, since upgrading in
the immediate future is out of the question.  Help appreciated; wisecracks
>> /dev/nul.
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:6328 comp.sys.mac.comm:4467
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Keywords: supra, v.32bis, v32bis, mac, macintosh
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Apr7.180031.10053
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Apr3.230641.16672@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jsm2r@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (John S. Mitchell) writes:
>
>Supra Tech solved my problem but only by dashing my hopes and dreams.
>Their story was that the Mac serial port can connect to modems at no better
>than 19200 baud. Turning down the speed indeed solved the dropout problem,
>but as the Supra guy told me, it effectively eliminated making use of the
>speed advantage of v.32bis or data compression at high connect speeds.
>Supra told me that the only way to use that extra speed capability was to
>buy an add-in card with high speed serial ports. (Said something about
>needing ports that can do UART [?])

That is total bunk!  If Supra said that, they don't know what they are
talking about, and probably don't even have a Mac at there facility for
testing. I use an Intel 9600ex at 38.4kbps, and never get any drop outs,
even if I use XON/XOFF flow control.

>My question to the net is, doesn't this seem a little fishy? I've known
>people who use Macs with USR HSTs with what seemed like full speed capability.
>Likewise, these same serial ports can be used with LocalTalk networking that
>operates at 250kbaud. Somebody tell me Supra is off their collective rocker,
>and that I can make full use of this inexpensive (but not THAT inexpensive)
>modem.

"Supra is off their collective rocker, and you can make full use of that
inexpensive (but not THAT inexpensive) modem."  Sounds to me like its the
fault of either your software, or you don't have a very good modem cable,
and it might not even be a HW Hand-Shaking Cable.

Gary

-- 
-----
Gary Snow
uunet!clark!gsnow  or  gsnow@clark.edu
From: goshah@glas.apc.org
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Trellis specs anyone ?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:24:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Apr6.200428.1@cc.newcastle.e:-1940324585:glas:10000016:000:267
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!goshah    Apr  9 17:24:00 1992


Yeah:
 I've got the book. I fogouten the author, but it named:

  "Complite Modem Refference" , and published in 1991 in US.
I'll make complite info leter.

  George Horosh.
P.S:
  It seems that V.32 has described in this book and two kind
of modulation for 9600bps.
From: Oliver_Albrecht@fl.maus.de (Oliver Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: SupraFax v.32bis in Canada yet
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:00:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.05/beta

umduddr0@ccu.umanitoba.ca schrieb am 15.04.1992, 13:35 in Cd.Modems:

uu> Hi, has anyone in Canada received a SupraFAX v.32bis modem yet?  I can't
uu> seem to get any confirmations as to when we might see them here.  I've
uu> heard that some people in Europe even have them.  Why is it such a
uu> problem for us Canuks to get stuff quickly???  Pissed off...
uu>
We have the same problem here in Germany. Some dealers received one single
Supra V.32 for evaluation but large-quantity shipment has NOT begun yet.
I'm also fed up, but there seems to be no real alternative to the Supra
in Germany (prices ranging from $441 to $500 including taxes).
The price for the Twincom V.32(E) is at least 100$ higher and the street-price
for the external Zyxel is around $700.
That seems to be just about it !
Supra Germany keeps on telling us the same old story. Each time we call
they say that shipment will definetly start in a week or two.
Wish I had enough cash to buy a Zyxel !

  ... Oliver @Fl
(Net)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Subject: Re: v.42bis software
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:53:13 GMT

tnixon@hayes.com writes:

>> 	Is there already code that does this?

>Not that I'm aware of. Several companies have V.42bis code that runs 
>on various PCs, but I'm not aware of any who make it available to 
>the general public.

What means "running V.42bis code on a PC"? I always believed that the
only compatible way to use V.42bis compression is to use it over
synchronous HDLC error correction as defined in V.42 and this protocol
can't be supported by an asynch PC serial port.

BTW: Will the HDLC standards be extended by a V.42bis style compression
mode? Then we would have also for other HDLC based protocols like
LAPB, LAPD, PPP, etc. a well defined compression method.

Are there any legal problems with implementing V.42bis in a country
where there are no software patents (e.g. Germany)? What happens
if someone uses my V.42bis code in the US if it is based on US
software patents?

Markus

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Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de  |  X.500 entry available
Don't worry over what other people are thinking about you. ----------------
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Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:6508 comp.sys.mac.comm:4565
From: tnixon@hayes.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:13:56 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Apr7.022942.29115@u.washington.edu>,
dali@milton.u.washington.edu (David A. Lee) writes: 

> So you mean that we humble Mac Plus users can't get 57000 baud on a
> Supra or similiar modem?  What is the top speed a Plus' serial port
> can take??

A Mac serial port can handle over 800,000 bps with external 
clocking.  Plain old LocalTalk (AppleTalk) runs at 230,400 bps.  The 
Mac serial port is capable of much higher speeds than the IBM PC 
standard port.

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From: randy@rls.UUCP (Randall L. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Modem clicks Was : Supra v32bis (Initial Review)
Date: 4 Apr 92 13:28:56 GMT
Organization: The Internet

quan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan) writes:
> In article <1992Apr3.155430.11807@menudo.uh.edu> st17t@menudo.uh.edu (David Bonds) writes:
>>In article <11762@tamsun.tamu.edu> dkf8117@tamsun.tamu.edu (Duane) writes:
>>> Annoying supra "click!" when the modem goes OH at the start of a calll
>>>
>> Heh, my Zyxel does this too.  Every time the line is opened (or a disconnect
>> occurs, for that matter), there is a loud click - sounds like a mechanical
>> relay or something.  Is this generic to the new wave of low cost v32bis
>> modems, or what?
>
> Zoom modems do this also.  Sounds like a definite trend.

My 6 year old USR 2400 has a mechanical relay like click as well...but I
actually like it.  It reminds me that the system is doing what it should
or shouldn't be doing.  Especially when cron is doing it's thing.  I
share one voice line with with the modem. 

BTW, we still haven't heard more than **ONE** place that sells Supra's.
Is there any other places than BFJ.  Thanks.

Cheers!

- randy

randy@rls.uucp  <backbone>!osu-cis!rls!randy  rls!randy@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
It's a fax from your dog, Mr. Dansworth.  It looks like your cat.  - Larson
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: naddy@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christian Weisgerber)
Subject: Re: Optimistic Protocol
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:25:42 GMT

Sevo_Stille@f.maus.de (Sevo Stille) writes:

>Well, HST is a special case, as it has that slow back channel. You may get
>better results with YModem-G there, as the receiver doesn't ack the blocks,
>and thus won't force any channel switching.

In (default) stream mode ZModem doesn't send any explicit ACKs during
the main transfer. It doesn't interfere with HST at all, I'm using the
combination all the time.

>On bidirectional connections I could never notice a significant difference
>between YModem-g and ZModem, it was all in the region of 2% either way!

I don't have all the figures available right now, but I remember I once
calculated the overhead introduced by both YModem-g and ZModem. With
YModem-g it's ~0.5% while ZModem suffers about 4% (average with
compressed binaries). So there should be a notable difference, although
you can ignore it in real life.

I also remember YModem-g breaking once on a direct connection (10m
cable length) and a few times on 2400/MNP connections due to timeout.
Guess why I stick with ZModem now.


bye
-- 
Christian Weisgerber				naddy@rhrk.uni-kl.de
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jsm2r@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (John S. Mitchell)
Subject: Supra v.32bis Disappointment (AUTHOR SPEAKS, SHORT VERSION)
Followup-To: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Summary: Reader's Digest Version
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:31:39 GMT

Same info as my long-winded previous post, but condensed 
for easier reading.

(1) I was using a hardware handshaking cable.

(2) Supra WAS wrong. The Mac's serial ports are rated at
    a maximum of 230.4 kb/s. The computer-to-modem speed
    of 57.6 kb/s for my modem is NO PROBLEM for the Mac.

(3) The problem lay in my INITs/system extensions. By con-
    suming CPU time in the background, they caused drop-
    outs in the incoming data from the modem/serial port.

(4) Turning off all INITs/system extensions completely 
    solved the drop-out problems at 57.6 kb/s.

Thanks to everybody to offered help and suggestions.

John Mitchell (jsm2r@Virginia.EDU)

[See my post under "(THE AUTHOR SPEAKS)" for a lugubrious
dissertation on many of the issues raised in this post.]
From: zatar@dadstoy.uucp (Terry Stockdale)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 09:36:29 CDT
Organization: Lots of little files on drive D:

traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:

> In article <1992Apr10.191241.23027@news.eng.convex.com> datri@convex.com (Ant
> >
> >>And if you aren't an American you can't possibly be loyal so you will
> >>have to pay up as well.
> >
> >Your government is not our fault.
> 
> What pray tell has governments got to do with it?
> 
> -- 
> Michael Traub
> BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk

Simply that the T3000 has yet to be certified, or is in the process of being 
certified, for use in the UK.  This was discussed back when the original LP 
program came up.  Anyway, until it is, the T3000 can't be legally sold for 
use with UK phone systems.

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UUCP: terry@dadstoy.uucp    INTERNET: dadstoy!terry@xcluud.sccsi.com
From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: BOCA V.32BIS 14.4K internal modem
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:45:33 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site (219)289-0777

josephr@crux.homecare.com (Joseph Rukendorfer) writes:

>Altex Electronics advertises the BOCA Fax/modem for $269.

Altex's deals usually aren't that much of a deal -- 

-- 
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keeper of the 'gator                                uucp: uunet!trauma!larry
From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: "tip" mystery for Telebit Modem
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:53:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA

frank@odetics.com (Frank Merrow) writes:
>Our system administrator showed me how to "tip telebit" to connect
>directly to the modem and talk to it, change parameters or whatever.
>It works great for him (always has).  However, when I try it
>"tip" tells me "connected" but the modem doesn't respond to me
>or even echo my characters back.  It is NOT a permissions problem
>since as we looked into it we found that "root" has the same problem,
>yet other users that seem to be in my group and so forth CAN
>"tip telebit" and it works for them.  Any ideas what the variable
>is or even hints as to what to look at?

try:
	ate1

-wolfgang
-- 
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Snail Mail:           39469 Gallaudet Drive, Fremont, CA 94538-4511
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)
Subject: Prometheus Comments Invited
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:26:09 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I just received my Prometheus Ultima 14.4K baud + 9.6 Kbaud FAX with voice
messaging, etc.  V32bis, MNP, all the latest acronyms.

DO any readers out there have any comments (problems, etc.) concerning this
modem?  I have 30 days to decide whether I like it.

e-mail, and I'll pass on the info to interested parties.

Thanks,
Chris Magnuson
chrism@col.hp.com
From: rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Prometheus ProModem 1200 question
Keywords: prometheus promodem
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:40:53 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba

A friend of mine gave a prometheus promodem 1200 to test. (No flame please).
I am having a problem testing it since I don't have the manual and it
seems it doesn't recognize hayes AT commands. Questions :

- Does it recognize AT commands ?
- How to dial a certain number ?
- How to set it to auto answer ?
- Recommendation for swicthes settings.

Thanks, 
-- budi
--
Budi Rahardjo
<rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca>      <rahard@ee.umanitoba.ca> 
Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada
From: tnixon@hayes.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: MNP trivia questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:31:53 GMT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <1992Apr8.101101.21159@rhrk.uni-kl.de>,
naddy@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christian Weisgerber) writes: 

> So the big question left is what *does* MNP10 ?
> 
> A new error correction scheme? Or "simply" an algorithm for handling
> different line conditions like USR's ASL? It seems to be intended to
> work with V.32(bis), at least it has been introduced with Rockwells
> chipsets and a Microcom V.32 modem.

MNP10 does four main things:  (1) expanded number of attempts to 
send frames, both during initial handshake and data transfer; (2) 
aggressively reducing packet sizes during times when line noise is 
present, because smaller frames have an easier time getting through; 
(3) automatic rate changing up and down in response to changing line 
conditions [similar to USR ASL], BUT also with the ability to 
actuallly change to different modulation schemes; (4) adjustable 
transmit level (for cellular radio links).

(1) and (2) can easily be implemented in LAPM, although the value of 
(2) is questionable in environments where errors are bursty rather 
than sustained (which is the case with cellular links).  Changing 
data rates within a modulation scheme is supported by standards, and 
the value of actually changing modulation schemes is questionable 
(V.32 at 4800bps is actually more robust that V.22bis at 2400).  (4) 
may be useful in some cases when you're actually on a cellular link, 
although its value has not yet been demonstrated in CCITT studies.

> Which reminds me that there are some modems around (I remember a
> SmarTEAM 2400/MNP a friend of mine uses) that allow you to configure
> "MNP block link". The manual stops there, just hinting one should not
> use this option without appropriate software. I already suspected that
> this block link mode is some ancient long forgotten feature of the
> "original" Microcom implementation. Any info on that?

You're right -- MNP block mode is ancient and long forgotten, and 
best left that way.

-- 
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Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc.  | Fax     +1-404-447-0178  CIS   70271,404
P.O. Box 105203                     | BBS     +1-404-446-6336  AT&T    !tnixon
Atlanta, Georgia  30348             | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon  Fido   1:114/15
USA                                 | Internet                tnixon@hayes.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: paul@frcs.Alt.ZA (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Organization: Free Range Computer Systems CC
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 08:44:19 GMT

Thus spake geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh):

>    You challenge Telebit's integrity because they don't take advantage of a 
> loophole in the law and encourage, let alone condone, their customers to do 
> something illegal.
>
>    Look, Mac, you're upset because the situation isn't in your favour... but 
> don't try to make Telebit look like a second rate company because they have 
> chosen not to pull a low (though legal) stunt like the one you suggest.  And 

As someone in a similar position, I fear that you have the wrong end
of the stick (-ish).  Telebit only offered the LP program (and LPA)
to purchasers _inside_ the United States of America.  Whether the
modem is legal or no in any foreign country.  I spoke to TB at length
about this, and they are only prepared to take orders with a US
shipping address.

There, is _that_ polite enough for you, or must I sing it?
 
 ---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---
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 Box 12475, Onderstepoort, 0110 South Africa         +27-12-5611879
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: What is it with Supra?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:09:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.124823.14667@digi.lonestar.org>, emartine@digi.lonestar.org (Edgar Martinez Martinez) writes:
|> 
|>  It's been a month since the SupraFax v32bis modem started shipping and I
|> haven't received mine. Why? I ordered from BFJ, and they have only received
|> 25 modems! I'm 82 on the waiting list, does this mean it's gonna take two
|> more months to get the modem? What is it with Supra, why have they shipped so
|> few!?
|>  Are other mail order houses receiving many more than BFJ is?

Really!  I'm number 349.  If you want it faster, order it from someplace that
charges more for it; they probablly have a smaller waiting list.  That's just
the way it works.  For myself, I'm just hoping that by the time they ship my
modem I can afford to pay for it. <:)  Maybe by then you early birds will have
worked all the bugs out of 'em too.

--
John Townsend                     Internet:   johnt@meaddata.com
c/o Mead Data Central             UUCP:       ...!uunet!meaddata!johnt
9555 Springboro Pike              GEnie:      J.E.TOWNSEND
Miamisburg, OH  45342             Telephone:  (513) 865-7250 
                                  Telefax:    (513) 865-1655
From: Jeff.Lindstrom@ofa123.fidonet.org (Jeff Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis FAXmodem
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:57:44 PDT
Organization: Universal Electronics Inc. (Public access BBS)

  The "standard login prompt" is a function of the software driving your modem.  I don't have the FAX software yet, so I don't know if I can have the FAX software running in the background (my system is on 24 hours a day) and have my Term software simply up.  I know my term package (NComm) can open the Serial port in Shared mode, but I don't know if the FAX software will be as flexible.


--  

Jeff Lindstrom
Internet: Jeff.Lindstrom@ofa123.fidonet.org
Compuserve: >internet:Jeff.Lindstrom@ofa123.fidonet.org
From: Sevo_Stille@f.maus.de (Sevo Stille)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Optimistic Protocol
Message-Id: <A6581@F.maus.de>
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.04

naddy@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote:
n>In (default) stream mode ZModem doesn't send any explicit ACKs during
n>the main transfer. It doesn't interfere with HST at all, I'm using the
n>combination all the time.

You are right, ZModem doesn't send ACK's, generally! But in timeout situations
ZModem programs may start a merry firework of activities (as far as I could
monitor it, DSZ sends several ACK's, a burst of XON chars and some NAK's be-
fore it finally CANcels the transmission).

n>calculated the overhead introduced by both YModem-g and ZModem. With
n>YModem-g it's ~0.5% while ZModem suffers about 4% (average with
n>compressed binaries). So there should be a notable difference, although
n>you can ignore it in real life.

Well, this is mainly due to plain ZModem escaping all control characters. The
Moby Turbo flourish of ZModem doesn't do this, and there the difference to
YModem-g is truly minimal on good lines.

cu Sevo
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 02:27:48 -0400 
From: Mark Kuang Luo <ml5d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: UART  16550
	<jim.702667236@ferkel>

I'm thinking about upgrading to a UART 16550, can somebody tell me how
much I shoud pay for this.  Thanx !

Mark
From: hahn@dfki.uni-kl.de (Ulrich Hahn (DA / Projekt ALV))
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Modem an Telekom-Nebenstellenanlage?
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:04:45 GMT
Reply-To: hahn@dfki.uni-kl.de (Ulrich Hahn (DA / Projekt ALV))
Organization: DFKI Kaiserslautern

In article <1992Apr3.185443.3700@news.eng.convex.com>, datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
|> 
|> >#ifdef FLAME
|> >Can't you talk English like everybody else on this newsgroup ???
|> >Wenn Du's nicht kannst, lass es !!!
|> >#else /* FLAME */
|> 
|> English, IMHO, isn't a very defensible language.
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> 
|> ======================================================8--<


#define FLAME

mein lieber Anthony.. war so das erste, was mir da einfiel.

ich KANN vielleicht englisch, aber manchmal WILL ich es garnicht koennen 8-)

Eine bestimmte Sprache auf einem internationalen Netz kann doch 
allerhoechstens eine Vereinbarung sein, niemals jedoch ein Muss.
Falls Du Dich fuer die fremdsprachigen Artikel so sehr interessierst, 
vielleicht solltest Du die andere Sprache einfach lernen?

Was, wenn der von Dir so beschimpfte vielleicht tatsaechlich kein englisch
spricht / schreibt?
Wuerdest Du ihm da eventuell sogar verbieten, seinen Senf zu verbreiten?

viel Spass allerseits!		Ulrich
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