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From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Disenchantment
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:55:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sceetINN4hq
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <702965029.F00006@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:

[Instead of "Mundania"....}

>Perhaps rather than indicate the setting where it DOES exist, react to the idea
>with something like "I've never heard of such a thing!  It sounds rather
>implausible.  I don't think that will ever { happen | be invented | whatever }
>in OUR lifetimes!"

Oh, I like that one very much.  Depending on the out-of-period reference in
question, one could sometimes add "At least, I hope not!" and/or "God forbid!"


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Squires)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: "Killed" by Marshalls
Summary: war is hell, SCA-style
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:27:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

One thing to remember about large wars:  often you have a small number (at
Pennsic 17 I had 12) marshalls trying to keep 1500 fighters safe in the
Field Battle.  The marshalls are under very heavy pressure, and many of
them will have little experience at marshalling large melees.

The Woods  Battle is worse; usually a marshall is alone, surrounded
by what seems to be hundreds of fighters who seem to be berserking.

Under these conditions marshalls are often in real danger.  I've known
one marshall who was hit on the head three times in the Woods Battle
and another who was thrust to the face (the second and third times
through the slot of a scouting helm) while marshalling the Bridge
Battle.  I've seen two marshalls keep a large (about 100 fighters)
from overrunning an injured fighter and the medics by interposing
their bodies before the charge.

So I'm not at all surprised that marshalls overreact in this situation.
-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408
From: jtthorp@hubcap.clemson.edu (J. T. Thorpe)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Membership requirements
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:02:49 GMT
Organization: Canton of Falcon Cree, Barony of Notting Hill Coill

> MS> I remain convinced that the SCA, Inc does not require membership, but does
> MS> not prohibit membership requirements being created by Kingdoms.  Alas, I
> MS> bet no one but Arval reads to this point in my note.
>
>You lose....
>
>
>        Tadhg
>

Twice.

Elwood Wayward

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From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
Subject: Eastern water laws
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:49:00 GMT


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin writes:

>I'll give one example that I happen to know about.  Disclaimer: I am not
>a lawyer either.

   Nor am I a lawyer, but I thought the matter amusing enough to waste
the bandwidth on   :-).

>Under English law, if a stream or river runs through your land, you can
>do anything you want to with it.  Dam it, use it all up, whatever.  In
>Spanish law, you may not do anything that would deprive your downstream
>neighbors of water.  California law follows Spanish law in this regard,
>whereas (so I'm told) English law is followed in the Eastern States.

   Here in Virginia, at least, the situation is somewhat more
complicated.  You have to own both banks of a NON-NAVIGABLE stream.
The bed of a navigable river is 'state land'.  Navigable means that
the river was used to float logs to the sawmill sometime in the last
couple of hundred years. (As an aside, the General Assembly just
defeated a bill to privatize stream beds, the theory behind the bill
being that poachers could wade in on 'public land' and hunt on posted
property.  The real reason was that a landowner stocked a public
stream, posted the land, and charged for fishing.)
   To further complicate the issue, water rights can be deeded.  For
example, when my wife and I bought our property (which contains a
foot-wide stream) our deed specifically mentions our down-stream
neighbors' riparian rights.

>It makes sense, you know.  Not only was California first settled by
>Spaniards, but water is scarce and valuable in most of California, as
>it is in Spain.  Ditto for England/Eastern U.S.: you call it a drought
>there (so I'm told) if it doesn't rain for a week.

   Back when I lived in town, I was puzzled by this attitude.  Now
that I'm trying to get my own garden started, it makes a lot more
sense!   :-)

Yours in service --

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
From: pears@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Arnold N Pears)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: First Year in SCA and al
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:21:12 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <702045795.F00001@ocitor.fidonet> Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis) writes:
>JJ>On the other hand, I would hope that armour would prevent that calamity
>JJ>from happening even if you were not prepared for a blow.  I certainly
>JJ>want to know if armour is not that protective since clearly in a melee,
>JJ>you could well get hit from a blow that you did not expect.
>
>If you fight, at some time or another you *will* be hit by a blow
>you did not expect.  Therefore, armor should be expected to give
>protection without your planning just how or where you will be hit.

YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!

This is what I have been saying for the last two weeks, well
until I gave up.. ( almost :-) )

Anyway, I am glad someone else agrees with me.

I suspect this type of blow is more common than many of
the more experienced fighters remember.
You do get used to being able to protect yourself, being
a beginner is about being suprised a lot, and hit places
where you never expected that blow to land.
Armour must protect from these blows.

>If killing from behind were allowed (by hitting, as opposed to the
>sword over the eyeslit) and if the attacking fighter were using a
>sword or mace (pole weapons may need be handled different) wouldn't
>the attacking fighter take the clean, easy head shot?  And isn't
>the head better protected than the rest of our body?

I agree with both points here too.

Perhaps I didn't say this clearly enough last time, but this
is exactly my point. We seem to have pretty much an identical
view of the purpose of armour though, which might be the problem :-)

Arenwald

-- 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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La Trobe Uni, Bundoora 3083.			"Well here we all are then."
    Ph (03) 479-1144						-ME
From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:40:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

michaelt@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Cail mac Cuel) writes:

> dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark) writes:
> 
> >  One of these days I am going to hold melees where I give the true power 
> >back to two-hand weapons and see what happens.  You know, a shield taking the
> >second shot from a polearm is destroyed along with the arm holding it.  Two-
> >hand swords cut pole shafts in twain, etc.  I think that it might be inter-
> >esting for a small war to be done in that manner.
> 
> 	In the last war I was at, I didn't see most of the shots that
> 	hit my shield, let alone what kind of weapon was used...How do
> 	you propose that damage could ba called in this manner when we
> 	don't see what we're being hit with?

  I have no earthly idea.  My thought was to sit down with about a dozen 
fighter and history types and try to think up something...
 
Kevin
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: event announcements & distribution
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto * Universitas Torontoniensis

In re the posting of SCA event announcements on this newsgroup:

The SCA has mechanisms in place for announcing events to members.  Those of us
who participate in this newsgroup out of interest in the postings themselves
would, I think, find little use in announcements of SCA events, especially those
far away.  Event announcements, for instance, do not seem (on my short acquain-
tance with this net) to produce interesting discussion.

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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Thinkwell
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:02:02

 Fra Tadhg Liath unto Lhiannan y Llysieuydd and all others unto whom these
 presents shall have come giveth greeting:

 LD> I have seen this publication just once; how may we obtain a
 LD> subscription to Thinkwell?

 Send $10 to Aelflaed of Duckford (Sandra Dodd, 8116 Princess Jeanne NE,
 Albuquerque NM 87110).

        Tadhg

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From: cat@piggy.fgs.slb.COM ("Rather B. Fishing")
Subject: old decrepit dukes (you're not old enough, Flieg...)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:17:41 GMT


Richard Boyko made the following comment in passing (while posting on
something completely unrelated, sorta...):

> First of all, there are
> old fighters, and there are bold fighters, but there are no old bold
> fighters.

And the thought immediately crossed my mind (especially since practice was
yesterday): 
	"Hmmm, he should drop by Beaconsgate practice for the pleasure
	 of Papa Houghton pounding _him_ into the ground..."

<For those of you not familiar with "Papa Houghton," he's over sixty, is
utterly convincing as a decrepit old man in armour (until he plasters you),
and has "Duke" prefixed to his name...>

Twcs (still sore)
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Personality disorder? (was Re: Travel,Persona)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:32:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr14.173238.12416
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Shyness has recently been discovered to be a charcteristic one is born with,
and that about 25% of the human race have. It is, therefore, fairly normal, and
probably not a "disorder", needing a "cure". Relax, you will get better with age
I did... (I may have gotten too much better. I now march in parades in garb!-)

Moreach
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: trifid@agora.uucp (Roadster Racewerks)
Subject: Re: Welsh jokes
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:41:01 GMT



No, no milord Bjalfi...even I, a mere Scot (Hah..WE got all the vowels!-)
know that the "ll" is a weird Welsh dipthong, pronounced "thl". If you can rent
a copy of Brannagh's "Henry V", listen when he talks to Llwellyn, the Welshman.
He does it well, according to what I heard in Wales. It comes out "Thlooethlin".

(I am not so sure, but I think the "dd" is a plain "th"..."w" is called "double
u" because it was, once, and is pronounced "oo". There is a lot of other silly
Welsh tricks I don't know. Just like the lot who stole southern Scotland for
several hundred years from my poor Pictish ancestors... :-)

Moreach
From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Boring history
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ACS.17775800000
Organization: The Internet


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!

Yaakov HaMizrachi writes (in part):

>(The problem with history is that it is far more
>entertaining than fiction, but is typically taught by
>exceedingly bad/boring teachers.  I sometimes think
>that high school history teachers deliberately teach
>boring classes to weed out all but the most dedicated.)

   Extremely well said milord!  Perhaps that may be the greatest
contribution of the SCA to society at large -- demonstrating that
history doesn't HAVE to be boring!  (And another arguement against
mandatory dues -- 'For twenty-five bucks a year we'll let you study
history with us!'  'Thanks, but...':-).

Yours in service --

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
From: bambi@visenix.UUCP (Hilda)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Tents and such
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:49:09 GMT
Reply-To: bambi@visenix.UUCP (Hilda(Bambi) Smith-Beattie)
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

may i advise two excellent guides. 
the first one should not be difficult to obtain not that you
are a "real"(paid) member. that is the known world handbook.
it has instructions on construciong your own pavillion should you
be so industrious. actually it is not difficult just time consuming
and space consuming.a friend or 2 to help would be in order.
the second book i have never seen an original of but perhaps
someone else on the rialto could help us both on this.
there is a darling (book? pamphlet?) called 
"a hitchikers guide to pennsic" i was fortunate enough to
peruse a bootleg copy with a few of the pages missing last week
if anyone knows where to get a legal copy, even if not a current
1992 version...i would be very greatful as it is BRILLIANT.(the copy
i got to look through was about 4 years old.)it has DONT PANIC in
large friendly letters on the cover....REALLY!

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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Camping
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:51:54 GMT

Roxann Milby wrote asking for advice on her first Pennsic. 
 
The best advice I can give you is to camp with a group your first time out.  If you're after some authentic camping, you should contact the Enchanted Ground people for nonspecific period stuff, or if you are interested in 15th or 16th century camping you can email me privately at aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca .  The Elizabethan Camp will happen again this year, with an all-authentic section and regular 16th century militia drills; and the St.George Order from California will be having a 15th century camp, prob
ably adjacent .
From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA Urban Legend Song
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:47:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings, good gentles, from Yaakov.

In line with Bertram's latest tangent
on SCA story tag-lines, I contribute
a little something
I have been working on for sometime.

I was at an event last year when Mistress
Una (pictish merchant for those who know her)
sang a song about the SCA to the tune of
'The Temperance Union Song.'  As I couldn't
remember the words, I made up my own.
Una added another 2 verses.
Adding verses is intensely encouraged.
Please send me copies of any additional verses
as you come accross them. Permission to
use and reprint freely given, but please
try to send me a copy.
The first two verses are Una's, the rest
are mine.  Please note, the author takes
no position on the veracity of these stories.
They are popular SCA Urban Legends and are
being preserved as such.

Title: The SCA Urban Legend Song
Tune: The Temperance Union Song (trad.)

chorus: Hooray hooray for SCA, for SCA for SCA
        hooray hooray for SCA, the source of
        all great urban legends

My great ax is finished, I'm pleased it is done
I'll take it to tourney and have me some fun
The bikers are massing, they plan to attack
But a bicycle chain can't stand up to an ax!

This town isn't safe at 2:30 am
The rats and the vermin come forth from their dens
I'm glad that that mugger decided to yield
A garbage can lid makes a terrible shield!

My room in the summers a hot little box
So all that I sleep ins a pair of grey sox
One night there broke in a ruffian band
It's good my katana is always at hand!

My weekends are spent with the national guard
The pay isn't bad and the work isn't hard
Some guys with pugel sticks came down to fight
They learned not to mess with an East Kingdom knight!

As king of the Middle I started a war
Was transfered to Pittsburgh but I wasn't sore
Won the crown of the
  great cost
For I declared war on myself and I lost!

To carry my armor is truely a pain
So under my mundies I wear my bright chain
Heard a mugger behind me let out a great gasp
For my short broke his switchblade right down
 to the haft!

repeat the chorus between verses or, if
audience tolerance is limited, only after the
first and last verse.  I've found this makes a
good sing-a-long.

In Service,
Yaakov
From: kohrn@sumax.seattleu.edu (David Kohrn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Camp Ovens
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:17:22 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

Sorry I don't have the documentation offhand (If you're interested I could
look it up), but I recall having been told in a Med. History/Anthropology
class that there was a shift in m/f population around the 12th century
caused in part by the crusades, but more because cooking in cast iron
was increasing the blood iron in females and allowing more to survive
child birth. (i.e. before 1100 there were more men than women, afterwards
more women then men)

				-Calote
				corinne@reed.edu
				kohrn@sumax.seattleu.edu

From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA contacts in Oklahoma
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 20:42:54

Gwyddon, 
I'm not from Namron, but they do have a large and active Barony there.  Their seneschal is Lord Duncan Phelan MacLeod (Elbert Smith, Jr.) at 405-329-5380.
Their Chronicler is Caoilfhionn Riordanni Conor (Robyn Lydick-Smith), same phone number.  You might write to see if they'd send you an advance issue or two of The Plume, the local newsletter, write to them at : 2300 Nashville, Norman, OK 73701.   A year's subscription is only $3.50, so they shouldn't charge you much if anything for an issue or two. .

The only event I see that they're holding soon is their Beltane Games, May 1-3, 1992 (probably too soon for you, but a fun event if you can get there!) but there's Eldern Tournament in Eldern Hills June 19-21 (Lawton OK), not too far away, and if you get really bored (unlikely, they are a fun group, and their Baron and Baroness, Pippin (Laurel for Jestering & Foolery!) and Caitlin are wonderful folks!) you can always come down and visit the Steppes....

-  Vashti of the Flaming Tresses, Central Region Seneschal, Ansteorra


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From: mortonr@pica.army.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Magik
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:31:42 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings!

 On 04-12-92 Gerald Del Campo wrote... 
 
 GD> It seems that much magick is mixed in with the Midieval period.  Has 
  anyone 
 GD> ever adopted the persona of a magician in the SCA? 
 GD>

	Well....  I was told a tale of a man from Louisiana who was
a magician in real life.  He brought his craft into the SCA, but only
for a while since he really wanted a fantasy gaming atmosphere.  He
even wanted to join in the fighting:
	"Sure I'll get out there on the field in a bathrobe, if
   they'll let me throw fire into their helms!"  

			:-)

		-Malcolm
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Marion Zimmer Bradley
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 23:06:00 -0500

 Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin (cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J.
 Heydt)) writes:

 > The way I have always heard the story was that Marion went to the Park
 > Rangers' Office to fill out the form so we could get Joaquin Miller Park
 > to hold the second tourney in (June 21, 1996--the first one I went to).
                                             ^^
 Gee, and here I thought you'd been around a while.  Now it turns out
 even next year's newbies have been here longer than you.  B-)

 > si non e vero, e ben trovato.

 Good ol' Ben, I wondered what ever became of him and Mrs. Trovato!  But
 really, whazzis mean?  I've tried to pick it apart.  Looks Italian.
 Piecing together similar things from French and pidgin Latin yields a
 high probability of "if it isn't true, it is good/well <something>",
 but I'm stuck on the last word.  It looks like a past participle (from
 what little I know of Spanish), and the root looks close to the French
 "trouver", for "to find".  "If it isn't true, it's well founded"?  Even
 close?  I suspect an idiom....

 (I shoulda studied opera - isn't there one called Il Trovatore?  If I
 knew what that was about it probably would have given a clue....)

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From: schuldy@bedford.progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Event announcements
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:29:00 GMT

Arval wrote (after a section on why events are more general than I
thought):

  In light of the preceding, I assert that the chronicler must publish
  _required notices_ of events.  What notices are required?  There are
  certain activities which can only take place at events published in a
  kingdom newsletter: proclamation of law, giving of awards, and other
  official business of the SCA.  Thus, for example, an event notice is
  "required" if the Crown intends to hold court.

Well, in plenty of other sections of the EK law, it talks about how
new laws and policies must be published in Pikestaff, and that each
policy must be published in Pikestaff, and so on. I took the meaning
of the "required notices" clause to cover those, and not necessarily
to be covering events.  Perhaps I was wrong, or more likely, I was
not inclusive enough.

Arval also quoted:

>This policy requiries that all events be listed in Pikestaff; since no
>other definition of "event" is provides, then the policy applies to every
>organized activity in the SCA; this is obviously absurd.  Clearly, this
>policy was written with the assumption that "event" had the colloquial
>meaning of the word, whichw as the meaning used in old versions of Corpora.
>However, in the absense of any other definition of "event", the Corpora
>definition stands.  This is a problem: One could legitimately conclude that
>Eastern law requires publication in Pikestaff of ALL events, and therefore
>that anything not published in Pikestaff is NOT an event and thus not
>covered by the insurance!  If the question ever arose, I think we can rest
>assured that the insurance lawyers would assert this interpretation.

I agree.  I was under the impression this was why Pikestaff added a section
for recurring practices and workshops, to cover them with the insurance
policy.  We may find this interpretation obscene, but it seems accurate.

	Tibor
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