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From: jwrlep@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (John Lepingwell )
Subject: Home Schooling in Munich?
Summary: Is there support for home schooling in Munich, Germany?
Keywords: Children education home schooling germany
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:38:04 GMT

We will be moving to Munich in a month or so and are wondering whether
there is a home schooling group there, or even whether it is legal in
Germany.  Our daughter is now 6 and we home-schooled her last year.
While we're considering sending her to a German school to learn the
language we're also thinking about home-schooling.

We're also wondering if there's a Waldorf school (based on Rudolph
Steiner's ideas) in the Munich area.

Any help (or specific comments) will be appreciated.

John Lepingwell
UIUC
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:52:11 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <Bt4t95.230@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>
>The problem with this theory is that you can't tell in advance which
>diaper, blanket, stuffed animal, or shoe is going to become
>indispensable, and which will sit forever on a high shelf.  My
>daughter must have had ten or eleven stuffed animals by the time she
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was six months old.  (Everybody LOVES to give babies stuffed animals,

Goodness!  At last count, Laura had 45 stuffed animals (many were mine
in the bad old days).  She got 11 for her first Christmas alone!
I've given at least a dozen away to church rummage sales.  Brian has
only receive 5 so far (which I appreciate - Laura won't give up any of her
45!).  Oh, she also has 5 dolls.  Do they count? 

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: sander@cwi.nl (Sander Plomp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mirror writing
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:26:56 GMT

>A while ago my 4-year old daughter started writing stuff (mostly her name,
>usually in rather large capital letters). I noticed on a couple of occasions
>that if she ran out of room at the edge of the page writing left to right,
>she would keep going right to left on the next line , but with the letters
>reversed, as if they had been reflected from the edge of the paper. Sometimes
>she does mirror writing in the middle of a page, too. She seems to be right
>handed (she writes right-handed).

>Anyone else seen this behaviour? I'm not worried, just curious.

I remember when I started writing, I had always trouble finding
the right direction. Sometimes I would write right to left with
normal letters and other times I would write left to right with
mirrored letters. Both felt natural to me. I think I did outgrow
it after a while, since I'm not doing it any more.

                                         Karen
                                         (mom to Cees, 9mo)
-- 
Sander Plomp                                        Internet: sander@cwi.nl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: greg@gregm.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Walkers/Strollers for fast walkers/joggers
Reply-To: greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1992 19:09:06 GMT

I am looking for a device that one can use to push a couple of 50-lb
kids around at a fast clip.

Does anybody know of such a device that is sold locally or sold thru
a mail order house.

I would envision such a device would have relatively large wheels such
as bicycle or wheelchair - type wheels rather than the 3-5" units used
on strollers for more casual walking.

... sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for a response ...
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Colanders for babies (and bath toys)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:50:29 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730

In article <1992Aug19.035338.17303@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>A plastic colander makes a neat bath toy for a baby.
 
 My kids turned bath time into an excuse to flood the bathroom.  They both
(toddler and preschooler) like to line up receptacles (cups, empty shampoo
bottles, etc.) on the edge of the tub and fill and pour.  Other toys just
don't interest them that much - and they have boats and balls and little men
and sponges and washrags, you name it.
 The catalog 'One Step Ahead' sells an item called a 'Sink-a-Dink' that a child
can use as a little sink on the side of the tub.  It is supposed to help the
kid who can't reach the sink (my kids climb up a step stool to the bathroom
sink).  I bought two.  Now, the kids pile all their stuff into the sinks and
slosh around with impunity.  The water just goes back into the tub because the
sinks hang on the inside of the tub.  The assembly instructions warn, 'Remove
sink when child is in the tub' (I guess a child could heavily lean on the sink
and perhaps fall into the water when the sink fell into the tub.  This has not
happened - yet - but I stay with them when they are bathing, anyway.)
  The sinks have little 'plugs' and this fascinates my pre-schooler.  The
toddler doesn't even care if I have the plug in his sink or not.
  Each sink is sturdy (plastic) and costs about $16.00.
 
  Catalogs sell a kind of 'bridge' that spans the tub that would serve the
same kind of purpose (not as well, I suspect).  But my bathtub was in-
stalled in such a way that there is not enough surface on the inside rim to
hold it.
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:25:22 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <13415@creare.COM>, by shh@creare.COM (Sheila Hopkins):
>
>       My 9 1/2 year old daughter has recently been diagnosed with Attention
> Deficit Disorder.  Her doctor is recommending putting her on Ritalin as part of
> her treatment.
>
>       I'd really like to hear from other parents of children with ADD for someideas on how to help her and to hear experiences with Ritalin treatment.

There's plenty of other parents with ADD here, so I suppose you've heard
from them by now. What I'm about to say is controversial, especially with
them, but here it goes:

    I personally would not recommend Ritalin until all other possible
    interventions have been used, especially behavioral training and
    "coping skills" instruction. Ritalin is a powerful psychostimulant with
    some possibly serious side effects for a girl your child's age (she's
    going to be entering into her adolescent growth spurt within two
    years). Note that Ritalin is *NOT* recommended for use during puberty,
    since it can cause permanent stunting of growth. Therefore your child
    will have to cope without Ritalin within two year's time. In the event
    that she cannot currently cope without Ritalin, behavioral training and
    "coping skills" instruction should NOT be neglected, because she will
    need to be "weaned" from the drug eventually in order to allow ordinary
    adolescent growth to take place.

I would also question your doctor about what training he has had in
diagnosing ADD and other such "diseases". Most pediatricians have had no
such training, since "ADD" is a recent innovation, and if your pediatrician
has had no such training you may wish to get a second opinion from someone
who has.

Another thing that I recommend for all kids, but especially "active" kids,
is that they be introduced to sports and physical fitness training at
around age ten or so. Your daughter is probably ready for this. I'm not
talking about tossing your daughter onto the soccer field and saying
"run!". I'm talking about serious physical fitness stuff. There is a book
called "Kid fitness" (I forget the author) which might be useful in
figuring out things that can be done. Physical activity during puberty is
especially important for girls, because generally they reduce their
activity level severely due to feeling awkward and embarassed over their
"girlish activities". Girls who remain physically active (the minority)
generally have stronger bones and larger heart/lung capacity as adults than
girls who do not, and are at less risk of osteosporosis and CPOD
(Cardio-pulmonary obstructive disease) in later life. In addition, in some
cases (but not all) it appears that large amounts of physical activity can
reduce "attention deficit" behaviors. It's free, it's healthy, it's worth a
try.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
 (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ear Thermometers
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:51:49 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <14050@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula
Burch) wrote:

> What's wrong with taking the temperature under the arm? I mean this as a 
> serious question, not a flame: I've been doing it under the arm, and I want 
> to know if there's any problem with this. It just seems too easy to be 
> adequate!
> 
> We are using a cheap quick digital thermometer that beeps when it's done. 
> Maybe you're talking about the inconvenience of holding one of the slow 
> glass types for three minutes or so. Or maybe it's just that my baby at 
> 3.7 months has not yet demonstrated to me how hard it can be to hold him
> still for one minute.
> 
BINGO!  You've got it!  Try holding a thermometer (digital or otherwise)
under the arm of a squirmy 2YO.  Jason always manages to push the 
button on the digital, so that we have to basically start over.  I tried 
explaining to him that it just means it stays there even longer, but 
he isn' t listening to reason yet ;-)!   My Dr.only wanted me to do the 
rectal method, but I just refuse - I can't think of anything more awful 
for a baby (or parent!) - except maybe the fever itself. I'm seriously 
considering going to get one of those ear thermometers this weekend!

I especially love it at the Dr's office where they put the thermo under
his arm, smile and WALK OUT - leaving me to try and hold him for the
2 minutes it takes to get an accurate reading!  Then they non-chalantly
waltz back in to read it, not even noticing the sweat breaking out on my
brow!
.....
> Paula Burch
> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
From: brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pagan book list
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:26:46 EDT
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

Not having a child myself, a have a somewhat limited collection of 
children's books with a pagan theme. None of them are explicitly pagan 
but more on the idea of being pagan in the world. Here's a couple:

_I Know I'm a Witch_ by David A. Adler (ISBN 0-8050-1480-2)
A little girl knows she's a witch (black hat & cat variety) because 
she knows what grownups are going to do (Aunt Ruby always pinches her 
cheek, and sure enough, she does) etc. pretending/caring/thinking

_Secret Spells & Curious Charms_ by Monika Beisner (Library of 
Congress number: 85-45323) This is a thin (20 pages?) large book found 
in the children's section. Depending on how you feel about 
emphasis/feelings behind phrases, this is either a curious collection 
of uncommon children's rhymes from Europe or a curious collection of 
rhyming verse that you might not want to put much power into. The 
artwork in either case is first rate.

_Bringing the Rain to Kapiti Plain_ by Verna Aardema. (ISBN: 
0-8037-0904-8) Rhyming, building story like The House that Jack Built. 
Ki-pat builds an arrow from an eagle feather, shoots it into the rain 
cloud causing the rain to fall, ending the drought.

_Keepers of the Earth_ by Michael J. Caduto and Joseph Bruchac
(ISBN 1-55591-027-0) This edition is aimed at teachers: Native 
American folktales followed by thought provoking questions and activity 
suggestions.

And one of my favorite:

_Grandfather Twilight_. I don't know the author... I've given my copy 
of the book away. It's a gentle goodnight book. To me it's about being 
at one with your world.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Followup-To: talk.politics.animals
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:48:32 GMT

In article <JGJ.92Aug18130200@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>> Products that aren't tested on animals are still tested.
>> Mostly on human volunteers.
>
>That I find morally reprehensible.  To test things on humans before
>they've been tried on animals reeks of Nazi Germany.

Would you care to look up the word "volunteers" in a dictionary, and
then explain what this has to do with Nazi Germany?

Ugh, I can't believe I'm getting into this one!  Oh well, maybe I can
atone by redirecting followups.  This belongs in talk.politics.animals.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 20 Aug 1992 07:41:53 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Laura Floom asks:
 It didnt work! has anyone out there been able to decide on their
childs lovey??


Well, a resounding "no" from this corner! Isabel didn't look
like she was interested in a lovey at all, when a friend from
Stockholm (Sweden) visited and brought a gift: a stuffed, red
"fishbones" (long, thin thing with spines, two eyes on one end
and a tail on the other- cute until you figure out that it's
supposed to be a dead fish!). I didn't pay much attention to it,
bacause Isabel was totally uninterested in the "wiggle worm" she
has, which is pretty similar in shape and size.

well, the kid won't sleep without "Miss Fish", and the only
facsimiles are 5000 miles away (*maybe* - it came from a little
crafts store). So I have to call Carol and ask if she can
possibly send two more.

(Actually, it's really adorable to see Isabel reach for Miss Fish
and fall asleep hugging her (with a pacifier in her (Isabel's) mouth,
and one in each hand!)

-Dena
From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:55:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
: Parts relevant to the Newsgroup are marked (*).
: . . .
: Oops, what bibles do you have? Mine say (among others) that homosexuals,
: witches (Ex 22:18 / Lev 20:13), and children (*) who disobey their parents
: (Deut 21:18--21, Ex 21:17, Lev 20:9, Mt 15:4) have to be killed.
: 
: That's not exactly what I'd call "preferring" or "refusing to support."
: 

Achim, are you aware that your statement is false and amounts to slander of
the whole of christianity?  I do not wish to burn up "misc.kids" bandwidth
with any more religious discussions than I've already participated in, but
for the sake of those publicly injured, this wrong must be corrected!

Old Testament scriptures deal with Old Testament times.  People often burned
their own children and sacrificed virgins on the alters of false Gods.  One
day they would be worshipping and respecting God, and the next day, they
would be off fashioning some gold idol.  God commanded that priests, kings,
and leaders take severe action to keep this from happening and make a statement
that this is wrong.

The statement was made clearly, and these are New Testament times--times
where the wheat and the tares are allowed to grow together--times where
people are commanded to love their enemy and to share the Gospel and to help
bring others into salvation.  In John 8, when approached by the religious
leaders of the day with a woman caught in adultery ready to be stoned, He
asked that the one of them without sin cast the first stone.

In short, nothing whatsoever in scripture commands us to run out and kill
witches and homosexuals and adulterers and those who disrespect their
parents.  The evil in the heart of man is what makes people want to run out
and take matters into their own hands their own way to fulfill their lusts
and then to turn around and justify themselves by tying their name to those
with whom they have the greatest respect for benevolence.  And the fact that
a murderer or a biggot calls himself a christian is no excuse for another
biggot to come out against christians.  It is not the christian's fault that
some would whip the public into a killing frenzy while tying their name to
christianity!

: 
: I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
: mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
: or eat fish.

Achim, I never said or implied so.
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 20:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


 In article <19433@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
 >|> > Most companies making non-animal tested stuff use ingredients with a
 >|> > long, safe history too.
 >Maybe some do, maybe some don't. What I have read is that animal testing
 >has gotten very expensive and computer modeling of reactions has gotten
 >much better (particuarly for things like cosmetics and body care products).
 >So, companies are not testing their products on animals or on PEOPLE (I
 >mean let's be real and think about the liability implications here!). They
 >are testing them via computers.

This is the last place I would have expected to find a believer in 
computers' having magical properties! This is a computer network, so 
I imagined the users of it would be computer literate.

Computers cannot test what a product will do in an animal. The animal 
is too complicated a system--if we understood it completely, we could 
use computers to model it, but of course if we understood it completely, 
we wouldn't need to. Not even the simplest living organism is yet 
understood anywhere near this thoroughly!

Testing must be done on people and/or animals. Computers just aren't 
that powerful! You may say that you would like product testing to be 
done without using living creatures, but it's just wishful thinking. 
Your only choice is: should it be people or animals? Now go discuss 
this on talk.animals.politics, or whatever it is.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: mosquitoes around backyard kiddie pool
Keywords: mosquitoes
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:09:30 GMT

In article <B870oB1w165w@xocolatl.com> ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith) writes:
>kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>
>> Does anyone know the effectiveness of bug-zappers? We like to cook
>> outside, but the mosquitoes like to bite my husband.
>
>I believe that it was Consumer's Reports that found out that bug
>zappers actually *attract* some bugs to an area without necessarily
>zapping them.  Other critters don't notice the light at all,
>mosquitos being among them.
>
>---
>Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com

Mosquitoes search mechanism is pretty simple. They fly in random
zig-zag type patterns until they sense warm moist air then they fly
in a straight line. If they leave the warmer air they start zig-zagging
again. It's simple but effective. I don't know if they are attracted
by the lights or not but moths love them (the lights).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: flying with infant
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:44:29 GMT

In article <914m5qc@lynx.unm.edu> kim@m44.unm.edu writes:
>Concerning flying with a baby. . .
>
>I made the mistake of forgetting to bring a extra set of clothing for our baby,
>and so when her diaper leaked, she had to be without clothing until our
>connection in Phoenix.  We had to pay about $13.00 for a tiny T-shirt for her. 
>It is very cute, but a bit steep.

Another tip: assume that the airlines will lose your checked luggage,
and pack your carry-on accordingly.  This applies to people not travelling
with babies too.  A good rule of thumb is to pack everything you would
need for overnight in your carry-on.  At the very least, pack a change
of baby clothes and 24 hours worth of diapers (and formula/food, as
needed).  If the airlines do lose your checked bags, you'll have an
inconvenience rather than a disaster.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Subject: Homeschooling?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:10:34 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids

Is there a newsgroup or mailing list pertaining to homeschooling?
We're seriously considering going this route, and would love to converse
with folks who know more about it than we do.

Thanks!

Steve Frysinger
From: sara@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:09:27 GMT
Reply-To: sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com


As to milkiness with children, my pediatrician (and several books
I've read), seemed to say to keep kids on breast milk or formula
until they are 1.  At that point, the recommendation is to go to
whole milk until they are 2.  I haven't read anything that says
what type of milk to use after 2, but my doctor says to start
them on skim milk when they are 2 years old (or at least 1/2%).
Apparently, children in their second year (1-2) still need the
extra fat.  Remember, children aren't adults, and their needs
differ.
-- 
Sara Blatt
internal:	sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com
external:	sara@netmail.austin.ibm.com
My opinions are my own, not necessarily IBM's!