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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl alliance a crock!
Date: 1 Oct 1992 19:45:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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I don't see why everyone makes such a big deal about #1 never playing
#2 in the bowls.  Without a true playoff system, all these rankings
are just hypothetical.  Frankly, I think Miami got off EASY by only
going down to #2 in the AP.  If it were anyone else they'd go down to
#5 or #6 but Eastern Media Bias being what it is...

Even though Arizona lost, I think they once again proved that
the Pac 10 is the strongest conference in football.  Washington,
UCLA, USC, Stanford, and California are all top 25 teams (Ok, Cal is #27).
The Pac 10 is a rugged conference and when a team goes undefeated it
is quite an acheivement.   Arizona is not one of the better teams in
the conference and look at what it does to the #1 team.

Somehow there exists a bias against the Pac 10 teams because somehow
they're not as "tough" as the teams from the other parts of the country.
If toughness means pulling off the win, like USC did against Oklahoma,
or Cal did against Clemson in last year's Citrus Bowl, what is it about
the Pac 10 that is viewed with disdain?  

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley

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From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:07:48 GMT

Please face the fact that UVA is a joke.  Hell..has any other team gone
from number 1 to OFF THE POLLS?!?!?!?!  Boy....they sure do play
some good [padded up wussy schedules] teams!!

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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Poll Injustice (was: WEEKLY TOP 25)
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:05:56 GMT
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In <1992Oct6.054601.3728@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:

> In article <5OCT199219144170@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:
> Well, you beat us THEN, so I guess I can't argue too much. But at that
> point, or offense was extremely rusty and in the midst of learning a
> completely new system. They've improved steadily, and should keep
> doing so throughout the season. Oh what I'd give for a rematch. I
> think the outcome would be QUITE different this time around... 

  Yup, now that the rushing offense is on track, the Ags would stomp Stanford
into the turf!  :-)

  It's a joke, son.  I want you guys to beat Washington.  Please.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: MIAC information??
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:37:21 GMT

Hi again football fans!!

	I am on a never-ending quest for information on the teams in the 
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, in order to post a newsletter.

I need schedules for:
Concordia
Hamline
Bethel
St. John's
St. Thomas
Macalester
Augsburg
Gustavus Adolphus

I do not need the schedules for St. Olaf or Carleton.  Also, any information on
key players would be much appreciated...

First newsletter will be out by week's end, with schedules, standings, and
predictions...

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu
From: valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TROJAN NEWS VOL.10
Date: 6 Oct 1992 09:29:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Oct6.065435.24926@u.washington.edu> baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>
>
>
>>WASHINGTON 14 USC 0: Kralik 18 yard pass from Hobart. 68 yard drive, 8 plays
>>                     after Hoffmann recovered Conway's fumble. Key gains:
>>                     Bryant 9,8 yd runs,Bryant,17,Bruner 9 yd passes from 
>>                     Hobart. PAT: Hanson
>                      ^^^^^^
>  Valdis,
>  Thanx for a good posting, the statistics, and not mixing up Kaufman with
>  McCallum. :)  However, you still need to work on one more thing...Billy
>  Joe HOBERT!!  =)


Baze,
Sorry, my appologizies! I took the name right out of the LA Times. I guess I
better cancel my subscription :)


>GO HUSKIES!!  *be careful against go-see-Cal*
>
>-Baze


Well, since we are on the subject of the Huskies, I read that Lincoln Kennedy
(spelling correct? :)) was being reprimanded due to knocking the officiating
of last Saturday's game. True,or is the LA Times at it again?

Fight On, THE REST WE PLAY,WILL HAVE TO PAY!

Valdis
From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Subject: Re: FSU v. Miami
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.005951.1659@cs.sfu.ca> alspach@cs.sfu.ca (Brian Alspach) writes:

>   There are three things to keep in mind. First, whoever wins the upcoming
>game between #2 and #3 will gain first place votes. Second, this past week's
>poll proved Washington could fall even without losing, or playing for that 
>matter. Third, Washington does not play UCLA this year in PAC 10 competition,
>and if UCLA went undefeated in the PAC 10 they would earn the Rose Bowl.
>Washington would then go to the Fiesta, setting up an unlikely but intriguing
>matchup with perhaps the winner of the FSU-Miami game should the victor 
>continue to win.
>   For FSU and Miami fans who have suddenly become UCLA fans, here's the 
>Bruin's remaining schedule: at Arizona Oct. 3, Stanford Oct. 10, at Washington
>St. Oct. 17, ASU Oct. 24, at Cal Oct. 31, Oregon St. Nov. 7, at Oregon Nov.14,
>and USC Nov. 21.
>   Washington faces USC Oct. 3 at home, Cal on Oct. 10, at Oregon Oct. 17, 
>Pacific Oct. 24, Stanford Oct. 31, at Arizona Nov. 7, Oregon St. Nov. 14, and
>at Washington St. Nov. 21.
>   Interesting, isn't it, how Arizona has, and could continue to, play into
>the outcome of FSU's season if the Seminoles continue to win? College football
>at this level truly takes on a national perspective.
>
>---
>
>It most certainly does...think about it. UCLA doesnt seem to be in any real
>danger of losing the rest of the way. Who knows, maybe we will get a real NC
>this year after all!
>

I believe you forgot one thing.  If UCLA does go undefeated, won't they have
a claim to the MNC as well?

-- 
-Richard
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Marsee Computer Rankings & Predictions for week of 10/03/92
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.055927.8608@newstand.syr.edu>, demarsee@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darryl E. Marsee) writes:
|>  MARSEE DIV I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL COMPUTER RANKINGS FOR WEEKEND ENDING 09/26/92
|>                                                                              
|>        (Power ratings in parenthesis - ties broken by defensive rating)      
|>                                                                              
|>  12. PENN STATE     (778)  

|>  22. RUTGERS        (691)  

Alright Bob, all that bitchin' from last year has finally paid off.  Rutgers 
is now in the Marsee Top 25!

|>                   penn state     over RUTGERS        by   4                  

However, it looks like your team is going to have to play the Lions close 
this weekend if Rutgers is to hold onto its new-found Top 25 status.

Otherwise, it's off to the dungeons with ya...  back to the bowels of the
rankings...  return to mediocrity...  joining your BE friends at Va Tech
in the third column...

On a serious note, I think Graber made the right choice in starting 
Ray Lucas at QB over Brian Fortay.  Hopefully Ray will make a difference 
for you guys.

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: TROJAN NEWS VOL.10
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:54:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Valdis writes:

>  Some stuff deleted.

>FIRST QUARTER:

>WASHINGTON 7 USC 0: Jones, 1-yard pass from Hobart. 1 play 1yard drive after
                                             ^^^^^^
>                    a 31 yard interception return of Johnson pass by Pahukoa.
>                    PAT: Hanson


>WASHINGTON 14 USC 0: Kralik 18 yard pass from Hobart. 68 yard drive, 8 plays
>                     after Hoffmann recovered Conway's fumble. Key gains:
>                     Bryant 9,8 yd runs,Bryant,17,Bruner 9 yd passes from 
>                     Hobart. PAT: Hanson
                      ^^^^^^
  Valdis,
  Thanx for a good posting, the statistics, and not mixing up Kaufman with
  McCallum. :)  However, you still need to work on one more thing...Billy
  Joe HOBERT!!  =)
  In any case, here are some examples of mess-ups of past and present:

  Hobart
  Hobar
  Holbert  (A Bay Area newspaper 2 days before last year's UW-Stanfurd game)
  Hilbert


>          FIGHT ON,
>         Valdis

GO HUSKIES!!  *be careful against go-see-Cal*

-Baze
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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: WOOOOOOOFFFFFFF
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:50:37 GMT


Clemson (1-2,0-2) was the nicest thing Ive seen in the newspaper in years!

has a nice ring, huh? Clemson (1-2,0-2). there. ive said it again.

I know ive probably doomed UVA to lose to Clemson by posting this, but
I cant help it.

-rob
clemson (1-2,0-2)
From: barrett@austin.ibm.com (Kevin Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Coaching interviews at Clemson ?
Keywords: coach Clemson Dye
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:36:51 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin
Originator: barrett@inetnode.austin.ibm.com


In response to the rumors that Sheridan has been seen picking out offices at
Jervey Athletic Center, you Tigers don't get too excited yet. Rumor has it
that another old tiger has been prowling around Frank Howard's legendary rock
in Death Valley --- Pat "I'd like to have Hatfield's contract" Dye. BTW Auburn
fans, don't get too excited either. Jack Crowe, fresh off that Arkansas tenure,
has been spotted wandering around Jordan-Hare stadium looking mighty hungry to
return to "coaching" at Auburn.

All you WOOFERs have at it.
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From: rszczerb@renoir.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: ND-Miami (more and more)
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:26:36 GMT

In article <BvB7FF.1su@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>
>That FAMU line is getting old.  Don't act like Our Lady's of football, don't
>play hire a victim.  I look at that powerhouse schedule ND has for that
>30 Million deal with NBC.  Boy, did NBC ever get beat by Notre Dame.
>
>Notre Dame beat Nortwestern 42-7.  Then Boston College beat NW 49-0.  
>BC didn't let the the creampuffs score. So, now Northewester is 0-3 in 1992.
>BTW, Northwestern was 3-8 in 1991.  
>
>Then on Oct. 31 ND has a big game,  The Fighting Irish and Navy.   Navy
>is 0-3 in 1991.  Virginia 53 Navy 0, Boston College 28 Navy 0 and
>Rutgers 40 Navy 0.  Damm, I would sure hope Navy doesn't score on ND or
>it could be a hot time on rsfc, for the Irish.  BTW, Navy was 1-10 in 1991.
>I can just hear Lou before the game, " sure Navy hasn't scored a point this
>year, but they are due for a big day and I hope it's not against us." whine,
>whine, whine.....
>
>Then on Oct. 10 it's ND and Pittsburg.  Pitt is 2-2, with a big win over
>Kent, but we all know how you fell about I-AA teams.  Then West Vir. beat
>Pitt 44- 6.
>

ND may not have the toughest schedule in the country this year, but at
least all are Division I-A teams.  I think playing Michigan, Stanford,
Southern Cal, and Penn State is a pretty respectable schedule.  Granted,
they're not Florida A&M or Arizona, but I still think they're pretty
good. :)

		- Rob
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Purdue-Notre Dame prediction
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:38:12 GMT
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	<Kevin.T.Buttler.1-260992184002@oucfax.cc.nd.edu>
	<Bv7uCv.Buv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
	<Kevin.T.Buttler.1-270992044651@oucfax.cc.nd.edu>
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


Guys,

This has gone on long enough.  Suffice it to say that Notre Dame has
better liberal arts programs than Purdue, and when it comes to
Engineering, Purdue would outscore Notre Dame 48-0.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                    ect. is meaningless; etc. == et cetera

        "...the probability of a puttering nutcase slaving alone in his
         workshop actually developing fundamentally new technology is
                     practically nil..."  -- John DeArmond
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 10:30:54 EDT
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: #1 Washington vs #2 Penn State

         That's right! It time for the 1992 version of the nets' favorite
            game..... How Penn State will win the MNC!!

         O.k. can anybody find a problem with this..................

         -Washington goes undefeated the rest of the year

         -Penn State goes undefeated the rest of the year

         -UCLA goes undefeated in the PAC-10 this year

        If these 3 things occur, then UCLA and Washington will be tied for
        the PAC-10 championship (they don't play each other).  Since UCLA
        has gone longer without going to the Rose Bowl, they get to go
        (where they get crushed by Michigan).  Washington exercises the
        option to bail out of the coalition if the MNC is involved, and
        takes the big bucks to play Penn State, who should be ranked #2
        or #3 after beating Miami and Notre Dame.  Of course, this assumes
        Washington doesnt pull a Miami and puss out on playing the highest
        available team.

        Well, whadda ya think?
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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Miami, Florida
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:13:30 GMT


>Miami found a way to win, while playing poorly.  Just like all great teams
>do that don't panic and play for a tie.   

I heard an even more pathetic attempt at justifying the closeness of this game.
One of Miami's announcers said, as Arizona was marching downfield in the final
moments, "You know, that 1-1-1 record of Arizona is deceiving.  Their loss came
on a last second field goal, and their tie because they missed a late FG..." or
something like that.  He failed to mention that the tie was to OREGON STATE.

I guess Miami's unblemished record is deceiving, too, huh?


GT
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Danny Ford Back
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:59:21 GMT

jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:

>So effectively, Hatfield and Ford just switched schools? :)

In an interview, Ford stated that he would NOT become the head football
coach at Arkansas, because

1) He has pressing business back here in South Carolina,
and
2) He doesn't think his cow would cross that big river. 

He insists that he's only there to help out his old friend Joe Kines,
who served as an assistant under Ford once upon a time.

And by the way, whoever said that about "the mighty have fallen" has
blasphemed and should repent before its eternally too late!
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: wuck fashington!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:26:45 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1992Oct1.033445.17918@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:

   Why...as it so happens...I buggered five myself...and I rather enjoyed it,
   thank you! :)

Congratulations.  But you missed the first part of my note.  Have you pulled
your head far enough out of your own ass yet to find out what the score was?

Bill



--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Re: Buckeyes/Badgers!
Organization: The Cheesehead Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:18:37 GMT


ellis@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (steven lawrence ellis) writes:

>Do any non-biased people out there believe that Wisconsin can beat The Ohio
>State University?  What is there record so far and who have they played?

I'm not exactly unbiased, but what the hell.  If the UW defense plays
the way they did against BG (or U-Dub, for that matter), and if the 
offense plays like they did against BG (or like they did against NIU,
but without the turnovers), the Badgers have a hope.   Especially if
OSU plays the way THEY did against BG.

Going against us:  the transitivity anti-theorem (UW >> BG > OSU),
and the fact that our starting fullback and tailback are out for the game.
  [you're a weenie if you exclaim "But T0SU beat GB!!1!!1!"]

Prediction:  OSU will win handily, but Bucky's defense will be noticed.
OSU 13 -- UW 7  (but it won't be as close as that seems to imply).

*****

on an unrelated note, I suppose I ought to point out that I went 1-2 for
my absurd predictions last summer  (I Predicted UWa 27 - UW 9, but also
had SJSU beating Cal by 7 and SJSU beating $tanfurd by 14).  I can only
plead the combined effect of: 1)  unforseen problems in late summer
at sjsu  and 2) too much cheddar.)


-- 
Mark McKinzie          |    Listen, if they're going to buy lunch boxes,
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu | they might as well buy David Cassidy lunch boxes.
UW Dept. of Mathematics|
Madison, WI 53706      |                  -David Cassidy-
From: ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins)
Subject: Re: ACC Mascots (Re: Big East Mascots)
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 21:49:44 GMT

>
>And on to the SEC:
>
>
>South Carolina:
>   
>   ???
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
> "What's that he's tearing apart with his claws and his teeth?"        
>                           "That's his faithful teenage sidekick Buddy!"                          

The Gamecock mascot is "Cocky".  Guy in a red and black gamecock chicken 
outfit with big yellow feet.  Now intimidating but very lively.  They used to
hire a person to do this.  Cocky has won several national mascot awards in
the past.

ldr
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl alliance a crock!
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:19:36 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) wrote:
}
}In my understanding, any team not committed to a bowl by virtue of being a 
}conference champion can decline an invitation to seek a better payout or a 
}better matchup. 

To seek a better payout, yes, but only within the alliance Tier One
bowls (Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta).  One of the runner-up teams
from PAC-10, Big Eight, ACC, Big East, and SWC will be sent to the
Blockbuster, and very probably the second-lowest ranked one.  Last
year this would have been 8-2-1 Colorado (#15), 9-2 Syracuse (#16),
or 8-3 Baylor (unranked).

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

    "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!"       
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Pac Ten review (10/3/92)
Organization: soc.women
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:12:04 GMT

crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> The Sun Devils were penalized 13 times for 122 yards including four
> personal foul calls that assisted scoring drives for the Ducks.

     After watching personal fouls play major roles
in blowing the Big Game for Cal last year and last
Saturday's ASU game at Oregon, Coach Snyder has
finally had enough.  He's announced that from now
on anyone getting a personal foul for retaliating
against something the other team has done will be
taken out and will not return to the game.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
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From: wessir@stein.u.washington.edu (Wesley Aldridge)
Subject: Huskies & Hurricanes
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:56:11 GMT

For the first time this year we got to see a doubleheader including the
top three teams (in someone else's opinion) show how they win games even
though they can muster little offense.  Last year the huskies had an
incredible offense that really had little trouble with almost any defense.
Last year, I expected every game to be a high scoring affair
with the huskies on top.  It's easy to win games when your offense is going
to score.  That was the difference between Miami and Washington last year
and why Washington was the best team last year and deserved to share the
national championship with no other team.  This year it looks like the NFL
has taken away part of the huskies offense and reduced them to winning the
way the other defending champions win games, by a strong defense and good
special teams play and of course... LUCK.
It may be that Washington will miss the national championship this year
even if they win all their games based on the voting of last year.  Clearly
they were the best team in the country last year and had to share the title
because of biased voting.  What will happen this year when they are not
as convincing in their victories?

"It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing milk-bone underwear", Norm.
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