From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: The Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
Keywords: AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:43:16 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1993Jan22.192022.18378@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
> In article <13944@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan15.184050.21761@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
# ## So, the next time wiccans are practicing *their* faith, worshipping their
# ## God/desses (who, btw, they believe in just as much as Catholics believe in
# ## their OneTrueGod...), please don't interrupt their services.  Don't take away
# ## and profane their holy items.  Don't assume that just because their faith is
# ## different from yours, that it is wrong.
# 
# #If they did so, they would be subject to arrest.  At least in California,
# #the laws against disrupting religious services apply to ALL religions.
# #Does anyone know of any examples otherwise?
# 
# Do the laws allow police to interfere with peyote use?

Not if it is being used in conjunction with the rites of the Native
American Church.  The recent bad Supreme Court decision was whether
an employer (in this case, a governmental agency) could fire someone
for peyote use as part of the NAC.

# ## My biggest gripe with *SOME* Christians is that they want religious freedom
# ## to preach their faith --- and then want that same freedom to be denied to 
# ## other faiths.  How hypocritical.
# 
# #Can you give some examples?  I've never seen any in my lifetime.  I've 
# #seen examples of how the liberal enthusiasm for the War on Drugs has 
# #been used against peyote users.  Christians weren't the reason for that.
# 
# #I've seen examples of how liberals have used their power to suppress
# #Christianity (Soviet Union, most of its satellites, prohibitions on
# #voluntary prayer in public schools).
# 
# First of all, this is just your silliness of calling everyone you think
# is bad liberal.  Hitler was a liberal, the Soviet Union is liberal, etc.
# Yeah, right.  That has no relation to the meaning of the word at all.

Yes, it's just coincidence that liberals share most of the Soviet
Union's belief system in the evil of private ownership, the virtues
of the state, the evils of capitalism, the desirability of government
control over people's lives, that children are the property of the
state.  (See Steve Pope's recent postings in rec.arts.books about this
one.)

# Of course, you don't mind lying about homosexuality and child molestation, 
# so I don't know why you'd mind making up meanings of words.

You mean, reproducing data which is readily available that homosexuals
don't want anyone to think about.

# Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, George Bush, Pat Buchanan, Pat Robertson,
# Spiro Agnew, and Dan Quayle are not liberals.  And they've been awfully 
# big proponents of the WOD.  "Law-and-order" was not a liberal invention.

Nixon and Bush certainly were liberals.  Nixon was Mr. Wage & Price
Controls, or have you forgotten that?

# And there is no prohibition on voluntary prayer in schools.  You've
# bought the Falwell lie.  People can pray if they want.  What's
# prohibited is school-sponsored prayers.
# 
# David M. Nieporent   | "We don't need anymore [sic] wretched refuse.  It's 

No, this is what my wife has experienced.  Voluntary prayer in schools
was legalized by the Supreme Court in the last couple of years.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
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