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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: Wet Harbinger #0
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Me, Myself, and I
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:30:38 GMT

In article <BzBCHH.DGt@austin.ibm.com> vince@saguaro.austin.ibm.com () writes:
>
>I finally received my 2 copies of Harbinger #0 yesterday.
>However, one-third of the cardboard mailer it was delivered in
>was wet. A friend of mine(who lives in another neighborhood with
>another post office) had his #0's delivered in the exact same
>condition.
>
>Did anyone else have this problem? I have learned, never cut
>coupons from comics. Now I have two worthless and wet copies
>of Harbinger 0. Oh joy.

Have you complained to Valiant? I would if this had happened to me.

---

Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely... 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Why does PAD *stay* on the net? 
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:36:22 GMT



	Given the fact that we netters seem to be a terrible and
nasty bunch all around, why do you *stay* on the net?  There have
got to be better things to do than reading about how you or your
collegues (sp?) are a bunch of awful writers, artists, people, 
whatever.  I'm not being sarcastic (well, maybe a little) but it's
generally a lot easier to find unpleasant things on the net than it
is to find anything relatively kind.  So why do you stay around?

-bright the hour
-catie 
fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: The Truth about Neil (was: Re: Another Gaiman short story) 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:10:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.010054.11704@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>
>Since there seems to be some interest in Neil Gaiman's non-comic work
>I thought I'd point out that he has a short story in a recent collection.
>"Troll Bridge" appears in _Snow White, Blood Red_, edited by Ellen Datlow
>and Terri Windling, from AvoNova/Morrow. The book is a series of stories
>inspired by familiar children's tales. $22 in hardcover.
>
Well, it's about time this little wonder came out of the closet.  Our man
Mr. Gaiman, during The Dark Years (TM) penned a little work called:


	Duran Duran:  The first four years of the Fab Five.

It's one of those ridiculous fanbooks, which goes into the twisted psyche 
of our favorite rock stars, in this case, Duran Duran.  It's...interesting.
To say the least.

And how did I know it was OUR Neil?  Simple.  The bit about the "Romantic
Rock movement" as a reaction to the Punk Movement, detailing both, was 
absolutely brilliant.  And how many authors could possibly be called 
Neil Gaiman? 

If you want to read it, it's in the Kaskaskia Library, in downstate Illinois.
I'll do the ISBN bit if anyone wants to read it. 

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 05:42:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Who are my favorites?  Hmmmm....
As far as "classic" artists go:

Alex Toth -- I'm surprised he doesn't get more mention here, when a lot
of people seem to be listing Steranko, and some Krigstein.

Bernie Wrightson -- great stuff, man.

Frank Frazetta -- DUH, people!

Jack Davis -- even though most "comic art afficionadoes" refer to his
TALES FROM THE CRYPT stuff as some of his worst work ever, I think it's
great.  I bought the whole hardcover set.  That he could crank it out so
quickly is incredible, too.

Al Williamson -- Mr. inks.  A brilliant finishing style.

Jack Kirby -- Well, duh, right?  But actually, I used to hate this guy's
stuff.  When the NEW GODS graphic novel from DC came out, I just looked
at it and said to myself, "Jeez, someone's still cranking out this
tired, crappy old style?  It doesn't even look real!"  But that approach
sure grows on you after a while.  And he could lay out a mean page.
Pioneered a lot of stuff like splash pages in the middle of the story.


More "modern" artists who have impressed me for one reason or another:

Tim Vigil -- hey, I'm a sickie.  He has his problems artistically, but
his style works well for the material he works on.

Steve Rude -- Really impressive stuff, I'm looking forward to the new
Baron/Rude NEXUS series next year.

Erik Larsen -- simplistic at first glance, but then you realize that he
just makes it LOOK easy.  I don't buy that he's a McFarlane ripoff.

Adam Hughes -- Great-looking people.  Very adept at drawing humans.

Brian Bolland -- all-around keen.  Been good since JUDGE DREDD days...

Dave Gibbons -- Again, he makes it look easy.

Michael T. Gilbert -- a unique cartooning style.  Does lots of
interesting things with paste-ups and interesting layout.

Simon Bisley -- Never cared for LOBO much, but when he gets to really
rip out with his painted work at its most barbaric, it's just got that
ultra-masculine appeal!  RRaaarr!

Mike Mignola -- I almost forgot!  Chiaroscuro to the max, dewd.  Luv it.

Mark Schultz -- from XENOZOIC TALES.  Classic styles meshed into a
near-perfect artform.

Hell, I'll leave it there for now!!
From: kevin@rauland.UUCP (Kevin Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cry for Dawn
Summary: Cry for Dawn
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:33:14 GMT
Organization: Zenith Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Dec18.061952.43141@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, sde0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT DAVID EHLERS) writes:
> Anyone know where to get this by mail? Is it worth it? Only heard from a
> friend (etc.) that it was good.
> -- 
>  
>  
>            "Come, dogs, we'll see who will walk away,
>               and who will be food for the crows"
>                                                 -Conan, the Avenger

I can't remember the address but they do have a subscription by mail; maybe,
I'll look it up tonight.  Or just ask your comic shop to order it for you.
 
The book is definitely worth it.  It's one of my favorite independent books.
Although, you have to have a certain taste for it because the book isn't
your typical Marvel or DC.

The only problem with this title is that you never know when the next issue
will be out (correct me if I'm wrong on this).

By the way, Cry for Dawn calendar for 1993 just came out yesterday.  The 
list price is $3.95 and it's in comic book size format.  Art work is great.

-- 
*******************************************************************************
Kevin Kim (kevin@raul.zenithe.com OR kevin@rauland.UUCP)
Zenith Electronics Corporation, Rauland Division, Information Systems Dept. 
2407 North Avenue, Melrose Park, IL 60160    (708) 450-8135, FAX (708) 450-2312
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:54:57 GMT

"Stanley and His Monster" (first of a four-part mini-series) is probably
the best comic book to appear this week.  As he did with "Angel and the Ape",
Foglio has updated a minor piece of DC history, but this one is better.

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay):
>Cover: This should satisfy all the fanboys who've been clamoring for a
>"grittier, meaner, more realistic" Stanley & His Monster.

Great cover!  But I very much doubt that many fanboys have been directing
much clamoring at this title.

>This is a retcon. The Monster was originally a good-tempered monster; 
>Foglio has made him a demon exiled from Hell.

Stanley knows, in this version, that his monster is from Hell, but he
clearly doesn't know what that means.  The monster's throwaway lines
about Hell keep going over his head.  One of the better ones comes in
the first panel of page 2, where Stanley is talking rebellion and the
monster says "At least you had an excuse."

>Page 17: Superman, Dr. Light, The Blimp, Adam Strange, and Captain
>Marvel are all DC heroes or villains. Captain Alarm Clock is not.

I assumed that Captain Alarm Clock was a crossover from LNH...

>Page 18: Panel 5: This is not what really goes on in the "Ever-Burning
>Pit of Fire", but the Monster doesn't want to scare Stanley too much.

Actually, this is a toned-down description of one of the more
traditional punishments.

>Page 22: We've never seen Nyx before, but I (for one) wouldn't mind
>seeing her again. 

We will, of course, in one month.  She'll be just about to drag the
monster back to Hell when she finds out that Stanley has "The
Heterodyne Boys Big Book of Fun", which probably has a page titled
"How to achieve ultimate power".

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:22:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Dec15.233437.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>
  <1992Dec16.142435.2640@njitgw.njit.edu>

I once had a few fellow pros over at my house, and I mentioned Usenet to
them.  They were interested in seeing it.  So I logged on and started
running through various headers.  Naturally the people involved wanted
to read about those headers that applied directly to their own work.

The threads were, almost uniformly, vicious, sniping, mean-spirited and
arrogant.  

Oddly enough, no one in that group was interested in opening up their
own account.

PAD
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:27:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.213502.22618@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.065457.25860@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>
>>Stanley knows, in this version, that his monster is from Hell, but he
>>clearly doesn't know what that means.  The monster's throwaway lines
>>about Hell keep going over his head.  One of the better ones comes in
>>the first panel of page 2, where Stanley is talking rebellion and the
>>monster says "At least you had an excuse."
>
>Hmmm... I don't have the relevant "Secret Origins" issue. Was the
>Monster a fallen angel? It's been established that not all DC
>demons were originally fallen angels; some are children of
>demons, and some are damned souls who get promoted.

I picked up the _Secret_Origin_. The Monster is not, in fact, a
fallen angel; his mother was a hellhound.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:08:32 GMT

In article <92349.135050SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> Steve Murray <SXM101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>My question for you all is - what can I read?  

I look forward to the following titles:
Sandman
Doom Patrol
Shade
Grendel: War Child

Those come in on a regular basis.  The comics I like that are
not regular (sounds like these need some fiber)

Miracleman
Cages (Dave McKean's comic)
Oz Squad

Stuff I like but don't get too excited about are:
Batman:  Legends of the Dark Knight
Hellblazer 
Judge Dredd stuff (sometimes Judge Dredd is excellent, but it always 
                   seems to be at least good)


BTW thanks goes to those people on the net who got me to read Shade.
A very pleasant surprise.  

Mike McKellar (mgq@inel.gov)


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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: MISC: Desert Peach Musical (was Desert Peach)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:46:46 GMT

Sorry, I can't be of help.  I had an opportunity to see it; Kathy Li and
Heidi Wolf and Jerry Boyajian and Jon Singer and Several Others were in town
that weekend, and Phyllis Rostykus got tickets.  But Jerry and I decided to
skip it and sit home and watch videotapes of "Picket Fences" instead; TIME
magazine said the theater was dead in 1972, and we always believe what TIME
magazine tells us.

We did throw a post-opening-night buffet and "Welcome Minions of Dunnett"
bash at my pad afterwards; my impression was that those who attended had
mixed feelings.  I leave it to Kathy to give the Thumbs Up review.

And we talked about all of you, of course.

[This posting sponsored by Namedroppers Anonymous.]

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                            realizes that the average Usenet poster would
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:9555 rec.arts.animation:6832
From: jjhoxsey@pms035.pms.ford.com (Major Lee Obvious)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Transformers the toy, animated, and comic line
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:13:15 GMT
Organization: ACME Acres Looniversity Public Relations.
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In article <1992Dec13.073419.24130@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu
(VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
>In article <mbecke69.723914532@ursa> mbecke69@ursa.calvin.edu (Mark
>Becker) writes:
>>
>>I did!
>>I still have my toys set up in my bedroom back home!
>
>Ditto!  And some of the figures are very cleverly designed, and a lot more
>than simple toys-with-a-gimmick.

	I think I am the only person in Ford Motor Company with a
Transformer on their desk.  It's Jetfire/Skyfire, he keeps the
unwanted users out of my cubical by threatening them with his gun.  %)

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From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:36:04 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <Bz8JBL.7zA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>Heaven is anything but forgiving and merciful, and all togetehr
>too caught up in the bloody war with Hell (look at how they dealt
>with Chantinelle and Tali's child).
>
>Personally, I think John wants to nail the Snob.  He's already got
>Hell gunning for his arse, why not even things up by getting the Other
>Side after him as well?  It seems his style.  But that's pure spec.
>I'd like to see the head angel get his arse whipped, personally....

I don't know.  I was of the opinion that John was gunning for Negral to
remove the curse said Demon laid on him to many years ago.  After if the
curse is still valid John's girlfriend is in terrible danger.  This
may involve getting Heaven pissed off at him (Gods know that he's done
quite a bit to irk the "good" side) but considering all he's done for Kit
to make her feel comfortable around him, I wouldn't be surprised.

August Paul Yang speculates like a madman
wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: MISC: Desert Peach Musical (was Desert Peach)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:26:41 GMT

In article <9212160228.AA28638@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>Elisabeth Riba (lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) writes:
>>Also, did anyone manage to see the stage play?  If so, I'd love to
>>see a synopsis.  DP18 reprints the program and song list, but says
>>nothing of the plot.
>The plot pretty much mixes issue 1 of the comic (the whole teapot scene) with
>the real-world assassination attempt on Hitler, liberally adds music, and
>produces a Sondheim-esque operetta.  I really enjoyed it.  (Hey, I knew I
>would; I flew up to Seattle just to see it, and treated my parents to the
>show, too.)
>
>I saw it near the end of the run, when many of the problems had been worked
>out; I get the feeling that Roger Tang may have seen it near the start.

	Saw it during the second week, so I can see if they were able to
work out the bugs (which were considerable).

	The person I dragged to go see it like it; she thought it was witty
and fairly amusing. However, she agreed with me that it was far too long
(ack! THREE hours); too much of the action was strung out in song when it
would have been simpler and more direct in dialogue; the storyline was
much too episodic and meander--a dramathurge would have gone in with a
chainsaw and started wacking away to give it more momentum, more focus and
stronger storytelling. Both of us thought that there was material there
that the production staff fell in love with and couldn't bear to cut (both
she and I have worked for a long time in theatre; we've done both these sort
of things....*sigh*).

	Also, I really was disappointed in Pfirsich. Donna may CALL him a
stereotype, but she doesn't write him as one in the book. I think to become
more than an esoteric in-joke, some of the humanity he shows in the comic
should have come through MUCH more strongly in the musical.

	Don't get me wrong; I still enjoyed going. But I still thought it
a bad show when it could have been a good one.


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:09:18 EST
From: <PLK109@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman (was Re: The Crisis and Superman: An explanation)
 <1992Dec7.180814.21533@leland.Stanford.EDU>

True, the personalities can be aware of each other, but Batman really doesnt
meet the diagnostic criteria for MPD (as set forth in DSMIII-R). Harvy Dent/
Twoface-- now THAT'S multiple personality disorder (along with a couple other
comorbid conditions--obsessive compulsive disorder and the Twoface personality
has antisocial personality disorder)
If I were going to diagnose Batman, I say he suffered from Obsessive compulsive
personality disorder (different from obsessive compulsive disorder), and post
traumatic stress disorder.  Although Batman and Bruce often seem to be very
different, it's not at the personality level. He's just extremely dedicated
and has strong impression management skills. When he divides his life into
Batman and Bruce Wayne, he's not only very aware of what he's doing, he does
it intentionally. With an MDP, such as Dent, it's not a volitional thing, and t
he two (or more) personalities are like two different people at the most basic
levels.
Any other psychologists(-in-training), professional or armchair, care to disput
e or concur with my diagnoses for these characters?
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From: wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare)
Subject: Protecters form Malibu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 04:11:19 GMT

Anyone been reading Malibu Graphics "Protectors"?  Hey, a comic book without
alternate timelines, futures, and f*ck all.  I like it.  Good old fashioned
comic book writing.  Not exactly literature, but the color art is cool.
Reminds me of the good old days.

-- 
William ("Shakespeare") Gulstad          /  So where are the C.S. babes?
wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                /  Joni Mitchell for President!
I vote, so I can complain!               /  Did you vote?  Then don't complain!
Republican is the opposite of democracy! /  Tune in, drop out, log on.
From: breitweg@phys.ksu.edu (a nice guy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: question about Spawn
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:41:20 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu

Hi all,

Has Spawn #6 come out yet, I haven't seen anything here in a while
and my local shop hasn't got it yet either.  I can't wait till #10
when Sim has a hand in it all (he is a god).

Sincerely,
Jason Breitweg

--
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