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From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Khalisthan  - Mauryan rule in South
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:04:48 GMT

In article <1314@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> you write:
>rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
>: >: >What's wrong in asking for KHALISTAN?    -Harpreet Singh
>:This is wrong to say that there was no India before British. Long before
>:British, long before Moghul invasion, long before christ, there was an emperor
>:whose name was Chandragupta Mourya, whose empire extended from Punjab to 
>:Bihar ( or Bengal ). 
>What about south of Vindyas????? Did your Chandragupta Mourya rule
>the present south India too????       - Srihari Nimmala

To: Srihari Nimmala  (chemsn@emory.edu)

Sir, I do not know whether  "OUR" Chandragupta Mourya ruled south  or 
not but SOUTH was defnitely under Mauryan rule. In fact, SATHAVAHANAs
united all the little kingdoms established in ANDHRA PRADESH region ONLY after 
Mauryas lost their power. After this uniting of Andhras, they established the 
Sathavahana Kingdom between the Three-Seas (hence the title 
"TRI-SAMUDR-ADHIPATI" to Sree Satakarni). During this period Andhra kings 
identifying the external threat of GREEKS on Northern India, teamed up 
with KHARAVELA (Kalinga king - Sathavahana's rival)  and PUSHYAMITRA Shunga of
Pataliputra/Patna and defeated Greeks (DEMITRIUS). The reason for these 
three kings to show this UNITY, was to save BHARAT  from Greeks. 
The person who guided these rulers in this direction was Maharshi Pathanjali.

Since ages, India has been envisioned by Maharshis and Sages as one 
single entity - despite having diversity in religion, language.

INDIA has been a single country. It was strengthened by CULTURAL BONDS. Its 
borders were clearly defined in most of the Indian BOOKS. And most Important 
of all, it remained in the hearts of the People. Just because some 
character on net does not feel it, mean that INDIA should be divided. 

As for Pak-Aided terrorists, THEIR HOAX ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT SIKH STATE
BECAME CLEAR the day WHEN THEY WENT TO PAKISTAN. How come they forgot
all those attorcities perpetuated in the past? Forget pre-independence History.
The stories of partition? These tell more about their present day call 
for KHALISTHAN, which even their own community people support.

>:  Raja   
>: >:  Raghu
-Indu.
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From: rajiv@me.uta.edu (Rajiv Chakravarti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Shukria....
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:58:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: me.RAJIV.92Nov11125837
Organization: none


>
   galib bhi kya khoob arz kar gaye-
>
>   woh samajhhate hai ke beemar ka hal achchha hai.

This should be:

	un ke dekhe' se jo aa jaati muNh par raunaq,
	woh samajhte' haiN ke beemaar ka haal achchaa hai.

just a minor correction.

Regards,
Ek maddah-e-Ghalib [ woh firaaq aur woh visaal kahaaN ? 
                     woh shab-o-roz-maah-o-saal kahaaN ? ]


--
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Rajiv Chakravarti
Dept. of Aerospace Engineering
University of Texas at Arlington

rajiv@utacfd.uta.edu                             rajiv@me.uta.edu
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From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:05:56 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

>> Nobody believes you.  If your Khalisthan is so important to you,
>> why are you not in Punjab fighting for it.  Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru
>> and all other great Indian freedom fighters did not say that, India
>> is important to us, and if we get freedom we will return there.
>> 
>> I am really sorry that Sikhs were killed in 1984, the same thing
>              ^^^^^^                                               
>  Your saying sorry will not make any difference.  The person who could
>have made the difference was R.G(Rajiv Gandu), by just saying that what I 
>did was very bad.  Instead he says on national T.V that when a big tree
>falls there is bound to  be noise.  I don't what can be done to solve
>the problem.:-(
>
>R.J was the biggest cause of the excalation in the bad feelings that have
>occured between the two religions.  Only if Zail Dunger Singh the former
>prez had not made him the P.M.  Zail Singh is  another Gandu who being
>a President & a Sikh didn't do much.  The biggest gandu Sardar I have 
>ever seen.  I don't know where he is hiding these days.
>
>Harpreet Singh
>
>
When Rajiv Gandhi became the PM he was a bit immature, angry
he had lost his brother and now his mother, so maybe he said
that.  That was wrong of him, I am sure he never meant it and
in his rule I have never heard of him discriminating against
Sikhs.  Are you also annoyed with Manmohan Singh, afterall
he is the second most powerful man in India.  Finance minister's
post is the second in line to the PMs.

I wanted to point it out to you that every comunitee has
suffered in the past, we should let it go.  I am a Rajput,
you must have heard about Jowhars in the past, it may
sound ridiculus (but Rajputs are not the smartest people
in the world), this is still a cause of great hate in the
Rajput community.  Nehru and the other great leaders realized
that if we do not forget the past and if we live together
peacefully, we will be a great nation.  Forming Khalisthan
will not solve any problems, in Pakistan they do not have
any more Hindus and Sikhs to kill, so now Muslims are killing
Muslims.  Tolerance and Unity is still the only anwser for India.

Manoj
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: On "dasyu" (was Re: On Indian Civilization being the Oldest)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 17:37:29 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1djkjlINN1ms@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> I wrote

[...]
>According to Antoine (sp) Meillet, "dasyus" actually refers to Iranians.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Should have been Emile Benveniste. He also refers to "daha" in Khotonese (sp)
an eastern Iranian dialect, where the word means 'man'.
-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:36714 soc.culture.indian.telugu:978
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Chivas Regal Scotch
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:16:20 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

The FAKE KAVURI  kavuri@plains.NoDak.edu (Ravi Kavuri) writes:


>	Why don't you shut the f**k up just for once


Surya:

looks like your dad has a lot of friends   ;-)



suresh
From: vasanth@zephyr.larc.nasa.gov (Vasanth Tovinkere)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Test ...IGNORE !!!!!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 13:24:13 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zephyr.larc.nasa.gov

Test !!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Sweet Nothings III [more honey] -- Icarus.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:28:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.144835.49896@ccvax.ucd.ie> bharat@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>
>  You got me wrong. I knew you would because you started barking from very 
>  begining, didn't you? You really need to be cool.
>
[...]

>	Save your excretion for your self. You will certainly need it. Now
>	in above lines you mentioned how did you get your wisdom ;-)
>	and where did you get your wisdom from??? From Thick skin FFT's
>	excretion ????? 
>	Icarus is searching wisdom in his excretions ;-) Yes it is a 
>	small matter. isn't it??
>	Besides this, netters, he himself will tell you about his small
>	matters. Funnny. 
>	

[...]

>	Don't advise me something which you have done before ;-) b'cos
>	whatever films i saw, you were there in those films 
>	'Enjoying' with baboons ;-) Good man yourself ;-)

[...]


1] Honey Patel,

	You are pathetic. Do something useful.
    Volunteer to be a blackboard, they need something that makes a 
    scraping noise.

2] Later.
   Paul Chemmanoor.


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From: ellialtiog81@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Literature
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:37:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello,

   I am a student at the Wharton School of Business in Philadelphia, and 
would be grateful if someone could provide me the answers to the following 
questions urgently.  These are from old examinations of an Indian 
Literature class:

Explain the following:
-Vyasa
-Pandu
-Yudhishthira
-Kshatriya
-Dushyanta
-Priyamvada
-Satyavati
-Ambalika
-Kunti
-Draupadi
-Gandharva
-Menaka
-Santanu
-Ambika
-Dhritarashtra
-Shudra
-Kanva
 
Who are the following persons and when did they live?
-Surdas
-Kalidasa
-Kabir
-Nusrati
-Dharmashtra
-Nanak
-Nazimu' d-Din

Explain:
-The four Vedas
-Rasa
-Upanishad
-Saguna
-Bhava
-Dharmashastra
-Nirguna
-Adigranth
-Srngara (Shringara)

Give short answers of the following:

-What is the meaning of the "the Name" for the Sikhs and for the 
 "Kabir"?
-How are devotion and erotic sentiments linked?
-Was Kabir a hater of woman?
-Name two of the landscapes of Tamil poetics, describe them, and
 state what they indicate.
-What meaning has the term "guru" for the Sikhs?
-What is a "nayika" and which role does she play in devotional attitudes?
-Why Kabir used a "Secret Language"?
-Why did the Sufis love the story of Yusaf and Zuliakha?
-Which dhrama rules operates in the drama Shakhuntala?
-Is there a woman's voice in Nanak's hymns which are included in our
 readings?
-What means Kabir by the term "Love in Separation?"
-What is the difference between "prema" and "'ishq"?


Thank you very much.  I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Please remember that I need the answers by noon tomorrow
(US Eastern Time).

-Masood [Indian Studies 101]
From: medapati@acpub.duke.edu (Raviram Medapati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:32:44 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
To: G.S.Samra@lut.ac.uk


  Please don't lift parts of some poster's article and answer it. I was 
following the thread. Mr G. Agarwal was answering a poster who asked
"Will any Hindu guarantee that no sikhs will be killed". The poster didn't say
any thing about Government gaurantee.

  It is irritating that many poster posting pro- and against to this 
  discussion do this. They only take parts of an article or answer to 
  only radicals who preach hatred to prove their point.

-Raviram
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Babu's woopies
Date: 9 Nov 1992 11:01:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Babu Srinivas writes:
you talk about all woopie's ganging up to get the quality of s.c.i
down. well.. I should say that you are still reeling under the 
george chacko and co's ramlakhan episode. 


	Hardly. Ram Lakhan was a stroke of genius. To compare your pathetic
attempts with Ram Lakhan ... 


If you want to make a 
name on s.c.i "doing something good, unlike doki" (as you were 
preaching in one of your recent articles), 


	I'm sure Doki is much more famous/infamous than I am. It's neither a
question of impressing net.peepuls nor preaching about "good" bahaviour. Things
taken out of context get twisted easily. I would suggest you read more 
carefully the post which has stung you.


and if you want to guage doki's intelligence looking at his 
articles, then you might be interested to know that he spends
about 30 seconds on each article he posts. 

	It should'nt take more than 30 seconds for *anybody* to type what Doki
does. While your admiration for his agility and the speed with which he churns
out retorts might not be misplaced and even indicate a certain amount of 
reverence in the form of "Mera Doki Mahaan", I can't share the same enthusiasm


anyway, give up looking at everything as an organized plot and
getting hyper. 

	Ha! Hyper, eh? hee hee :)  If my attempts to talk *with Ravi* are
"Hyper", your flustered outburst at Sridhar was plain shadow boxing. Give up
looking at every article against a wpiian as a blasphemous act by a distraught
reader. Might do you some good. 

FFT
From: fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Alok.. Ob trash :)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 11:05:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


You are an Indian. Why do you have to think in terms of northie or southie ?
Save yourself some trouble and lots of confusion. Think yourself as an Indian. 
If anyone asks, say you are an Indian. No one can say that you are not an
Indian ...

Alok

     An Indian is what an Indian does and Indian says. Also Indian buys. Alok
is an Indian. He writes on Indian net. He talks Indian, gets bashed up by
Indians, also starts an Indian American net. More importantly, he's the
friend of another Indian, U Idiot Sharma. No one says Idiot Sharma is not an
Indian though he firmly believes, convinced by his "fabulous babe" that he's 
not an Indian.That is what confuses Alok. Troubles him too. There were peepuls
like Chohan and Trina whom he could identify as Indians. But there was Purna
whom he could'nt identify as male or female, let alone Indian or non-Indian.
And then there were the Chackos... But they were not Indians so it did'nt
matter. Luckily, Alok has married an Indian. His Conscience rests.
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 22:45:29 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: akk@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu 
 
>It will divide the country just like it did when Britisher's took over
>the country. Or just like when Persian and Arabic invaders did. It 
>seems after 1000 years of oppression and slavary we still have not
>learnt our lessons. We still are thinking of dividing. Germany has 
>just reunited. Euorope is headed that way. Americans, Canadians and
>Mexicans are looking forward for a similar cooperation sometime when
>the time is right, and we in India are thinking of further dividing
>an already very divided country. 
>                                     
>That's what is wrong with it my friend. 
 
  When the British took over India it WAS divided (just as it was for 
millenniums before that) the Sikhs were living in their OWN hard 
fought kingdom under the leadership of Ranjit Singh where Hindus, 
Muslims, Sikhs were all considered equal and rules of law and justice 
were equally applied to all - even capital punishment was 
abandoned (portrayed a social conscience that at that time had not
developed on other parts of the subcontinent).  What do you think the 
odds would of been of there being the so called united India of today 
if the British had not stepped on Bharat's surface - next to nil!
As of today this entity India is only kept united via the use of 
terror and force by the upper caste Hindu's for their 
self-interests only!
 
  Even the current government is still trying to assimilate Indians 
on the basis of Hindus -> Hindi -> Hindustan instead of on the basis 
of a culture mosaic.  For instance when a Sikh gets married in India 
it's listed as a Hindu wedding why so? - these 'pety' complaints were 
once voiced by Sant Bhindranwale (who if you hear his lectures was 
not a succesionist) yet for raising these concerns the Indian gov't 
felt justified in eliminating him.
 
  As for your comment on other countries becoming unified, well most 
are unifying on the basis of economics not geography.  On the other 
side of the coin USSR is no longer one block, so is Checkzolvokia, 
and Yugoslavia (the wrong way to separate).  Sadly India has decided
to take the route of Yugoslavia. 

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: doshi@earth.njit.edu (M Doshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: !!!!!!! URGENT --- HELP WANTED !!!!!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:03:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


	Help wanted.
	One of my friend whos is on F1, just got Australian residency.
He is supposed to report there in first week of Jan. His school reopens 
in 3rd week. Unfortunately he has single entry visa. After reporting to 
Australia he is supposed to come back. Does anybody have any idea as
to difficulties in getting visa again from there. Or any other information which might be useful.

You can e-mail to him directly at

dpatel@icarus.montclair.edu
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Allahabad & Faizabad
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:46:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Nov10.014654.7275
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <anand.721072625@cds705> anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:

>where were these "seed-beds of liberal
>thought" were when 90 % of US population were support the
>massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians
>in a matter of days.
>
>Chomsky characterises the American educational system as a form
>of "institutionalized ignorance".
>--

100's of 1000's of innocent Iraqi civilians? ?  Where did that number
come from?  None of the accounts that I read have remotely that no of
*civilian* deaths.  Now of course there have been estimates of Iraqi
*soldiers* killed as high as 100,000, but Alexander Colburn in The Nation
sneered at those figures as exaggerations by the Anericans and claimed that
in fact, most Iraqi soldiers had fled by the time the Americans attacked.

In any case, perhaps a lot of the "liberal seed-beds of opinion"
thought that this was a way to avoid even more deaths in the near
future.  

Chomsky BTW also characerized reports of Khmer Rouge atrocities as
liberal propaganda.  No one today, left or right, questions that the
Khmer Rouge killed humongous numbers of Cambodians.  Chomsky is not
exactly the paragon of factual or unbiased reporting.
From: ckavoori@mipos2.intel.com (Chakravarti Kavoori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Need Info on going to Juarez,Mexico for a Multiple H1
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:24:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

Got a question for people who've been to Juarez, Mexico for a 
multiple entry H-1.

	We're planning to go on the 20th of Nov (a Friday) to the
US consulate, but we want to be sure that it's going to be open on
that day. I tried calling up the INS and was put on hold for 
about 20mins before being given a 1-800 number to call. 
I called up the 1-800 number, but noone seems to respond after 
the intitial message. 
	Is there any other way that I can find out. Any information
on the trip would also be appreciated.

Respond to ckavoori@mipos2.intel.com

Thanks
Chakki

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: phoffman@orac.holonet.net (Paul E. Hoffman)
Subject: Ayurveda
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:22:50 GMT

I'm new to this newsgroup. Has there been much/any discussion of ayurvedic
practice here? Is there discussion on other newsgroups? Or a mailing
list? Is there interest?
-- 
||  Why qoute someone else?  ||
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jsahasi@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Jayesh Sahasi [MSAI])
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:19:06 GMT

In article <fb78.721002566@sol> fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan) writes:
>g9205802@cc.uow.edu.au (muralidharan chinnaiyan) writes:
>
>
>>Hi folks,
>
>>Can anyone in the US tell us how the attitude of US towards
>>India  will be under the new Clinton administration. Will
>>there be any change at all? Is this victory something that 
>>India can be happy about. I remember that the US-India ties were
>>better under the democratic President Carter.
>
>>Regards,
>>Murali
>
>I'm not sure whether changes, if any, in indo-us relations will
>result from Clinton. A much more likely scenario is tremendous
>boost in Indo-US trade resulting in a much better political
>relationship. The media will follow slightly later and
>"discover" that nearly 850 plus million people reside in
>that part of the South Asian sub-continent called India.
>Regards. - ganesh
>

I think there will be a change, unfortunately, it might not be as positive
as we might want.  Billly boy is said to be tough on "Human Rights" abuses,
and lately, India has received negative publicity regarding that subject.
Let's hope Al Gore can persuade him to go easy.

Unfortunately, Stephen Solarz no longer runs the foreign relations commitee...,
he was pretty influential in India's favor.  And there are a lot of anti-india
congressmen around..."What did India ever export but disease?"--a recent quote.
But then, it really can't be that much worse than an administration that fed 
the indo-pak cold-war...(esp. the PAK part). SO KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: am299bv@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Latest INS rules regarding F1 practical training, H1-B visas, etc.
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: rbhumbla@ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC San Diego, AMES Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc15.ucsd.edu

madhu@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Madhukar Govindaraju) writes:

# 		   Are you aware of any ftp site names that one
#    can access to get information about the latest changes to
#    INS rules? I am chiefly interested in F1 Practical Training
#    rules and H1-B visa rules. Please let me know ASAP.

Yes,
	There is fairly current information available by gopher.  For
those who have a gopher client, point it to the addresss given at end.
For those who don't and have telnet access, 
1.	telnet to gopher.micro.umn.edu
2.	login as gopher
3.	Select the following items from each subsequent menu (in the
	order given)
            Other Gopher and Information Servers/
	4.  North America/
	97. University of Iowa Panda server/
	5.  University of Iowa Information/
	4.  OIES - Office of International Education & Services/
        1.  Passport Newsletter/

The stuff in the final menu will be what you want.  You can mail any
interesting text file to yourself.  The interface is quite friendly -
just use the cursor keys to move and <Return> to select.

-Ravi-

p.s. - The gopher entry for the Passport directory follows:
#
Type=1
Name=U. of Iowa Passport Newsletter (for foreign students)
Path=1/.uiowa/.oies/.passport/main.mnu
Host=chop.isca.uiowa.edu
Port=8337