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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:57:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Carpet Eating
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  I have read stories of some types of dogs eating strange things. I
believe this sort of behavior is connected to inbreeding. Obviously, a
dog in the wild given to injesting undigestible objects would not hang
around too long.
  One breed that seems painfully prone to this behavior is the Bull
Terrier.  A guy wrote a story in a Bull Terrier book discribing his
dog acting this way......it seems that the dog had eaten several
tennis balls, and had to go into surgery for it.  While the Dr.s were
in there, they fished out an entire plastic doll's head.
  I believe this, like so many other bizarre problems with the
domestic dog are the result of human meddling.  Breeders know their
dogs do things like this, but go ahead and breed them anyway, 'cause
they're pretty and valuable.
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From: prkenne@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Getting a dog (A sad story)
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Date:  7 Jan 1993 09:25 EST  

In article <1ife6dINN2sq@overload.lbl.gov>, eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson) writes...
>the burglers came back.  The dog, who was locked in the house, was
>let out and was hit by a car.  Well all this is happening the two weeks
>before Christmas and this little family has had about all it can take.
>The rescue organization was very angry about the dog being killed and
>let them know that they would never get another dog from them.  Now the

Aren't the people at the rescue organization being just a wee bit 
unreasonable?  The family cannot be blamed for the dog's death when it was 
the burgler's who let him out!  Just because these people are so attuned to 
the needs and care of animals doesn't mean they should have no compassion 
for humans left in them.  Sheesh!



            " Learn from the mistakes of others
             you can never live long enough to
             make them all yourself"

                                *Carol*
From: jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice Lonsdale)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dog going blind
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:04:04 GMT
Organization: Imperial College
Distribution: world
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Dear all,

Our 12 yr old West Highland Terrior has in the space of 2
months gone almost blind.  We took him to the vet and he said
that he wasnt producing any eye fluid so gave us drops to put
into his eyes every 2 hours.  We are wondering if this is the
reason Jock has gone almost blind and if he had some kind of 
operation would his sight come back. He also walks round and 
round in cirlces for hours and as you can imagine it is  
heart breaking to watch as up until a couple of months ago
he appeared very healthy but all of a sudden he is partially
blind, almost deaf and pees anywhere which indicates he has
lost his sence of smell too. Do you think it is cruel to keep
him or should we have him put to sleep even though he is still
sturdy and has a good appetite?  Is this walking around in circles
something blind dogs do?  Is it common for a healthy dog to deteriate
so quickly?

Please reply as we are so worried as to what to do for the best.


Thanks

Janice.
From: cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Charlee Bear Dog???
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:47:02 GMT
Reply-To: cousins@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kathy Cousins)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Over the holidays I read Susan Conant's latest mystery.  In it she refers
to a new breed of dog "Charlee Bear" which I believe she wrote looked
part puli with maybe some Portuguese Water Dog.  In the story, one of
the characters says something to the effect that she later found out
that the breed did indeed have some PWD in it.

Has anyone heard about this new (I presume) breed?  I looked in the
reference books at the local library and several past issues of DogWorld
and didn't see any mention of it.  Any information would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

Kathy
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From: gustavo@cup.hp.com (Gustavo Paffen)
Subject: q
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:50:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Puppies Born!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:32:55 GMT

> kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu writes:
> In article <19472@mindlink.bc.ca>, Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria
> Vorlop) writes...
> >I just got a call from the breeder, my future Schnauzer baby was born on
> >Friday! Four boys and three girls, all 11.5oz! I get to see them in four
> >weeks...this is gonna be the longest 9 weeks in history :)
>
>         I'm just wondering why the breeder won't let the puppies go until
> they are 9 weeks old.  Many obedience books recommend 7 weeks as the
> optimal
> age for puppies to go to their new homes.  I was just wondering because we
> are planning on breeding one of our Belgians (don't worry she is a
> champion,
> OFA, Cerf, etc...).  Does any other breeders out there have opinions on
> this?

Actually this breeder usually doesn't let her pups go until 12 weeks! She has
apparently had some real problems if she's let her pups go before their ears
have healed completely...Schnauzers are cropped, although she will leave the
ones with really good earsets uncropped, which I think is nice. She said
something to me about a pup having it's ears severely pulled by a little kid
and needing to be completely resutured :( Since I've already been through it
all with my dobie, she's letting my baby come home at 9.

When is the fear stage, isn't it somewhere around 7-8 weeks? I think some
breeders like to make sure the pups are out of this before uprooting them.
I think those in favor of 7 weeks think that the dog will bond more strongly
to it's people, but I think this has more to do with the dog's personality
than age.
--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca        Nine weeks 'til Shaedi comes home!
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca   ********************************************
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Dog Barfing in the Morning
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Whippany, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:59:48 GMT
Keywords: dobie, illness sick 

In article <1993Jan6.005818.13289@unet.net.com> philg@bozo.net.com (Phil Geller) writes:
>My 6 year old dobie has been having some problems first thing
>in the morning.  She goes out, nibbles on some greens, and 
>upchucks.  After that she is fine.  This doesn't happen
>every day, but often enough to make me wonder (about 4 times
>during the last month).  I'd call it morning sickness, but
>she has been spayed.  Any ideas?  We remember our vet telling
>us something about stomach problems in larger dogs, so we
>avoid feeding her right after exercise.  We always wait 20 minutes.
>Does this sound like a problem, or is she just being a dog?

Well, if she were waiting till she comes back in, and barfing on
the carpet, I'd say she was "just being a dog". :-)

Seriously, though, I've had a similar problem with Magnum.  He has
a very sensitive stomach.  Depending on the nature of the vomitus,
I can usually guess the cause:

Frothy, watery, and small quantity means he's gone too long between
meals.  Have you ever gotten so hungry you felt nauseous?  I guess
that's the case with him, because if he gets "too empty", he gets
sick.  The other key here is that this usually occurs shortly after
his scheduled feeding time.  Nerves may play a part, as it's more
likely to happen if his food is delayed because I'm not home.  ("Oh
my God, she's going to leave me here to starve!")  Then again, maybe
he can go longer between meals when I'm home because he's so good
at mooching between-meal treats? :-)

Small to moderate amounts of nearly-digested food usually indicated
something in the dog food that disagreed with him.  I tried several
brands before I found one that he never gets sick on.  The worst
case was when he would get sick every morning around 2am.  Others
were less frequent, but I still blame the food since he never gets
sick now (unless he's not fed on time.)

Large amounts of undigested food usually signaled a stomach problem.
(Unless they occurred almost immediately after eating, in which case
he had probably either eaten too fast, too much, or something hot.
This is a useful trick for inducing vomiting with Magnum...I just
give him a fairly warm potato.  Better than Ipecac!)  When this
voluminous vomiting occurs, I know that I need to feed him very
lightly for a couple of days, or he'll move on to diarrhea.

I guess it's possible that one of the first two might account for
your dog's problem...or maybe not.  If it continues, and you are
concerned about it, it's probably best to see a vet.  Good luck!
I know how frustrating this can be.

Roberta
...and the DoberPuppies...


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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Weird Habits
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:49:18 GMT

In article <6JAN199311112812@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP) writes:
>
>Our 8 month old golden thinks walks are treasure hunts.  Every few feet he 
>picks up a stick or piece of garbage and holds it up like its a prize and 
>carries it until he sees a new, better prize.  Is this weirdness common to 
>goldens or does Buddy just have a few screws loose?
>
>
I'm not sure this is just a Golden thing.  Our dogs love to do this, too.
One will get a stick and bump into our other dog and wave the stick at
him as if saying "ha ha look what I've got."  The other dog will then stop
and look for something -- anything (like the neighbors newspaper) and do
the same thing to the dog that started it.  Seeing a 10-inch, 15-pound
dog with the Sunday Washington Post in his mouth is quite a sight.

schalene
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: German Shepherds for Adoption
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:30:30 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Jon Krueger (jpk@Ingres.COM) wrote:
: Shepherds that are already on the planet are not hard to find.  Visit
: your local animal shelter, SPCA, Humane Society, breed rescue
: organization.  The supply of good homes is considerably less than the
: demand and has been for some time.  The excess equates to abandoned or
: euthanized Shepherds.

If you know (or know someone who knows) how to do a temperament test. 

Sorry, I love this breed, own one and would have another in a minute, but
I won't advocate everyne going out to adopt one.  At least in this area,
the ones that end up in the shelter have often come from abusive homes,
where someone got them for "macho" reasons.  The only puppy I've seen
lately was extremely lame, probably with a crippling case of hip dysplasia.

I've seen too many people who can't deal with this breed when they've had
the dog from puppyhood, let alone trying to rehabilitate a problem dog.

The shelters need to take more of a role in doing temperament testing.  My
dog Random is one that would be in and out of shelters if in the system.  Why?
She's extremely "cute" and excedinly friendly.  Easy to adopt.  However,
she's also hyperactive, a chewer, very smart and easily bored.  Most
people love her, but couldn't live with her.  The shelter said nothing
about this on her card, just that she was cute and in need of a home. 
Yes, she was already a repeat customer.  "Daughter off to college" indeed.
Random was less than a year old!  I spent enough time with her to get an
idea of her temperament, but then I know enough to.  The interview which I
was subjected to was of as little use.
 
Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world, and some people will continue to
dump dogs at the shelters.  But let's at least help to match dogs and
people into the right situations instead of simpky looking at the botton
line of numbers of adoptions.

Karen

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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Alarm Dogs
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:11:25 GMT

Doesn't is seem that there should be a very sharp distinction between
what many people are referring to as "protection", "guard", "attack" dogs
and what they appearantly really want which is an "alarm" dog?  What I
mean is that IMO it takes a highly trained and experienced trainer to
obtain a functional protection dog.  I don't know if I even like the
word attack dog.  I would never want a dog whose sole purpose is to just
wait for an occasion to attack but I know others would disagree.  Certainly
dogs can be trained to bite an intruder and be trained to release them as
well, but the average dog owner probably can't do this training and will
simply end up with a huge law suit everytime it bites a friend.  Many dogs,
on the other hand, will bark and maybe even growl and throw a fit when a
stranger even approaches the house but will most likely not actually do that
person harm when confronted.  This is what I would call and "alarm" dog.  
Beamer is a perfect example (to a fault I am afraid).  He will bark at any
and all strange noises (many of which I certainly never hear; Michele calls
it "dog satellite") and won't stop until it goes away or I tell him to shut
up about 12 times.  I want to reduce this somewhat but I am not sure exactly
how to do that just yet.  When people come up to the house, no matter how
many time he has met them, he barks and does a dance all over the house.
When they come in the house he just wants to see who it is and is all over them.Something else I need to work on.  Depending on the person, it can be quite
annoying.  Anyway, my point is just that, if I came up to a house and I heard
the ruckus he makes, I would go in uninvited, but then again I am not a 
criminal (as far as you all know :-)).  And if I were home I would know that
something is going on and I could investigate.  Therefore, I would recommend
a Cocker Spaniel to alert you to strangers (and other animals and trucks and
cars and butterflies and that damn wind, etc....) and/or keep people away
from the house when you are away.  A real large dog behind a fence in front
of your house may work as well but you certainly need to know what you want
and why you want it.  Well, this is long and definitely straying from the
point so I will quit.  Have a good day.

Mike

-- 
| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Re: Large Breeds Showing Age
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:16:22 GMT

I was struck by the wisdom of Diane Bassett when she suggested:

>It's about time to ask your vet to do a blood work-up on your dog.  As dogs
>age, their kidneys get weaker and it frequently shows up in the chemical count
>in the blood.  Kidney health can be greatly prolonged by kidney-sensitive
>diets, and you need to know the status of your dog's blood so you can know
>when you need to start accomodating this natural decline.

I have always considered myself very health care savy, but I haven't been
doing this for our one older dog.  Are there any other bits of wisdom for
the care of older dogs?  Diet?  Other tests?  Health care insights?

Looking over at my six month old puppy, all I can think is, "I hope you're
the first dog to live to 40."

-- 
                              O             betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu
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  \      /    \       -- >      O           E. C. Weatherhead
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From: dgraham@simon.Tymnet.COM (Deborah Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: New England and National Rescue Groups  FAQ
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: dgraham@simon.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems


---


Eric,

Would you add a California Great Dane Rescue to your list?

Great Dane Club of Northern California, Inc.
Great Dane Rescue Service, Betty Thomas 408-377-6851

Thank you,
Deborah L. Graham
UUCP: ![...apple,sun,pyramid]!oliveb!tymix!dgraham
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From: prkenne@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date:  7 Jan 1993 09:36 EST  

In article <1ifi64INNpid@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, garyc@vballdude.EBay.Sun.COM (Gary Carino - Osmotic Volleyball) writes...
>eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson) emerged from the Cave of Doom, carrying the holy scrolls <1ife6dINN2sq@overload.lbl.gov> in hand and spoke thusly:
>I have an 8-month-old golden, Summer.  I didn't get her as a protector/alarm
>dog, and after seeing her behavior I am somewhat surprised by this statement.
> 
>Summer *loves* *everybody*.  Without fail.  At first I thought, it must be
>that whenever we take Summer to meet someone we feel good about them so she
>gets the idea that it's okay.  My wife told me of an incident with a door-to-
>door sales critter who basically let himself inside.  No force, just slick
>sales tactics, quick movements and viola!, he's in the house.  My wife tells
>me she was fairly distressed that he was actually in the house *and* that
>Summer was just so doggone happy to see him.
> 
>Like I said, I never intended Summer to be more than a companion.  But I'm
>curious to know if this sort of friendliness will die down or (ha!) fade 
>away completely.

Ours is 8 months old also and has a history of loving the furnace repairman
the fencing contractors, and the gas meter reader!  Just recently though (
in the past couple of weeks) he has begun to bark at the mailman and bark 
at just about anything he sees out the front window.  Maybe there's hope--

            " Learn from the mistakes of others
             you can never live long enough to
             make them all yourself"

                                *Carol*
From: wsadkin@bbn.com (Will Sadkin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Need new home for Elkhound
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:35:48 GMT
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-- 
Several months back, I posted about our inheriting a 2 year-old female Norwegian Elkhound from my father.  We took her on a trial basis, but found out that
she is, unfortunately not happy living in our house.  We have two anti-canine cats, you see, who have terrorized her to the point where she retreats to the bathroom when not eating or outside.  She was raised by a man who lived mostly alone, and the dog was the center of attention when he was around.
In our house, the center spot is occupied by my 18 mo. old son, who, loves
the dog, but, unfortunately, is only tolerated by her.  

Lely seems to be "clinically depressed."  She loves to go for walks, but as soon
as she goes into our house, she retreats into her corner, and does not come out for any reason other than to walk again.  My wife is home all day, but can't get the dog to stop sulking.  She doesn't want to be petted or played with, and just seems to be "grimly riding our her sentence."  My wife and I have decided that, as much as we love her, she's just not the type of dog we wanted, and since 
she's obviously not happy in our home, we need to find another one for her.  We asked my father to take her back, and he said that if we sent her back, he'd simply put her to sleep, to "put her out of her misery!"   
  
We have no wish to destroy such a beautiful dog, especially when she's done
nothing wrong!  Unfortunately, she is just not the dog for us, either.

I have heard of rescue organizations for various breeds.  Does one exist for
Elkhounds in New England?  

Does anyone have any other suggestions as to where we can place her?

Thanks in advance,
/Will
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From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:53:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

A few more thoughts:

I agree with the advice about getting the opposite breed.  Also, at our Humane
Society, we encourage dog#1 to meet dog#2 on neutral territory (at our shelter,
in the case of a adoption-in-progress).  It gets the friendship off to a much
better start.  While I know some people have found that the kinds of behavior
problems dogs have when left alone all day go away once they get a 2nd dog, we
did not have that luck.  We had 2 dogs barking all day.  Now that we crate, this
is not a problem.  Finally, I DO think your question about adding a baby later
is relevant.  I'm not a mother, but I have had lots of experience with the
difference between having 2 dogs and having 3.  The activity level increase from
one to two is significant, but positive in my experience.  The activity level
increase in going from two to three dogs is BIG.  My new-mother friends are
consistently overwhelmed with the amount of work and energy involved in being
a mom.  Depending on how well mannered your 2 dogs were, having two of them
PLUS having to care for a baby could be too much.  If it were me, I would stick
with one dog at this point.  

Surely there are some mothers out there with 2 dogs?  Let's hear from some
real veterans!
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Subject: Re: Weird habits
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:45:30 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <C0CHIE.3K3@hsi.com>, hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> Our 8 month old Boxer has always loved to walk around our bed touching the
> bed ruffle whenever he first wakes up or comes out of his cage.  It's quite
> amusing actually but we haven't been able to figure out why he does it.  I
> guess it just feels good to rub his back on the nice soft ruffles.  He also
> loves to roll around on the floor "scratching" his back after he eats.  He
> seems very happy when doing both of these weird habits and I was wondering
> if anyone else's dog does these things or something else equally bizarre.
> Walking around the 3 sides of the bed though to wake up sure does take the
> cake for orginality :-)
> 
> Alice
> 

I think you're right in assuming that it just feels good, and I'm sure there
are going to be lots of posts from people reporting that "Hey, my dog does 
that too!"

Those of us in Pulis refer to this as "wiping."  It's definitely familial -
those that do it are almost always related to each other.  They "wipe" their
bodies to show happiness and delight - against walls, beds, furniture, even
against the backs of your legs.  They scrape along one side, then turn and
scrape the other side.  If they have a quick wipe against the backs of your
legs when you're not looking they can almost upend you.  They walk under 
some furniture to rub their backs on it, and of course also do the on-the-
back-wriggle-for-joy.  

We had a white-painted hallway once that had a long brown streak along most 
of its length where one bitch would wipe down it constantly.  (I'm afraid 
my housekeeping abilities are in the Crisis Cleaning Only category - you 
know, when the mother-in-law phones to say she'll be there in 20 minutes - so 
the wall retained its brown streak for most of our stay in that house.)

They always look happy and smiling when doing it, so clearly it gives them 
a lot of pleasure.

Stef
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