HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Lillith
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:09:33 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <BvpMrL.E75@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:

| And don';t forget to examine the Talmud and Torah - you will be
| suprised at what you uncover.

I don't suppose they're online anywhere for easy searching, are they?
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Keyboard controller has been disabled, press F1 to continue.
From: v076jy2p@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Cosmo Of The Cosmos)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Stupid question??
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <bacchus.718535671@mcl>, bacchus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Graham Linn) writes...
>Well, here goes... All of you "vampires" at universities, how can you attend
>classes?  Aren't they held during daylight hours?  I find it hard to believe
>that they offer enough night classes!  

Yes, they do.  About Half as many as they have day classes.  At least here
at UB.  Besides, most teachers don't care as long as you do the tests and
hand in the homeworks.

Besides, who told you I was trying to get a degree?

					-Capt'n Quaalude

In Heaven There is no beer...		    |Faster than a doped up sprinter.
that's why we drink it here!		    |More powerful than an ox on crack!
And when we leave from here...		    |Able to leap over mountains of
our friends will be drinkin' all the beer!  |"Just Say No!" Nancy Regan Buttons!
From: kat@yaya.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:31:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: yaya.wpi.edu

In article <92275.135136L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

[story of vampire hideout deleted]

> What do you guys think? 

So where in Brooklyn is this place?  IMO, the story sounds like a good
campfire ghost story.  I'm not saying that what you said isn't true, however,
I usually need just a bit more to go on.  Tell us more about what you saw...

Describe the "prehistoric bugs"... Why did you think the mound was the 
vampire's burial place?... Say more about the voice: Where did it come from?
(Around you, inside your head...etc.)  Was it male or female? Young or old
sounding? Etc, Etc...

Anyone else have anything that they'd like to add in my list of questions?

kat
 ***************************************************************************
      Christina Freeman                                 kat@wpi.wpi.edu
		"Was there not, from the first, more poison in
 			  your nature than in mine?" 
                           - _Rappaccini's Daughter_ 
			      Nathaniel Hawthorne
                  ********************************************
From: cpm00@ras.amdahl.com (Craig P McLaughlin)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: *Will* there be vampires?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:35:14 GMT
Distribution: usa

James Jennings writes:
|> [supposistions deleted for space -- the gist is genetic engineering has
    advanced to the point of creating vampires]
 
 Are there a lot of people who would? Are
|> there a lot of people reading this newsgroup who whould?
|>

Personally, I wouldn't, but that's me.  If technology advanced to that point,
there probably are a few things I would consider, but vampirism isn't one
of them...
 
|> And how much of the vampire myth do you suppose is replicatable with
|> some conceivable technology?
|>

Interesting question.  Building on your assumption of genetic engineering, then
I'd like to assume that other bio-engineering fields have also advanced.  Which
would imply (to me) that cloning technology could work -- at least to the 
level of growing new hearts, livers, etc...

That could give a 'vampire' an 'immortality' of a sort -- at least until the
brain goes... but then, perhaps by that time we'll be able to clone those too
(I don't want to assume that, though -- not with my very limited knowledge of
neuroscience).

I don't think you could do the bits about turning into a bat or a cloud (is
that right?  Suddenly I'm blanking).  The fear of running water and holy places
present in some myth can probably be done today with hypnosis/psych.

And if genetic engineering can modify people to live on a liquid diet, then
I'd guess it could put in a high sensitivity to sunlight of some sort... but
making that sensitivity limited to sunlight and not other forms of alpha/beta/
whatever - radiation ... now that would be tricky.

This is definitely one of those things that makes you (well, me at least) go
'hmmm...'
 
|> James

--Craig

Craig McLaughlin  /  cpm00@ras.amdahl.com  /  "Who, me?"
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:10:29 GMT

In article <chil.718452556@sfu.ca> chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
>battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>
>>/There are people who would like to be vampires (yours truly included) and
>>/would happily play along in that role for a tv show.
>>/And then, there are those people who have drunk human blood before...
>>/(yours truly being one of these again.)
>
>>why would you want to be a vampyer(note funky new spelling!)?  Could you
>>kill a person now, as a mortal?  If not, how could you do it as a vampyer?
>>Would you really want to be mortally vulnerable to something so plentiful
>>as sunlight?  would you want to be superman if half the world was made
>>of kryptonite and everyone wanted to give you some? (there may be better
>>analogies)
>>I sure hope the blood you drank was either your own or HIV-.
>
>Oh yes, *thank you* for removing the attribution from my words :(
>
>Quick answers: because vampires are real cool; yes, probably; I still could;
>I wouldn't be, that's a false stereotype; flawed analogy; no it wasn't, and
>yes, it was.
>


(Sigh)  Time for a reality check.  The notion of a vampire figure as a
Romantic figure is straight out of fiction!!!  The vampire of myth (ANY
mythological vampire, as far as I know) is a rather nasty, user-non-
friendly entity.  If you like the St. Germaine character or Lestat, hey,
fine!  But don't try to build existence or non-existence proofs over a
figment of a (script-) write  Mythological vampires are
not good role models.      

Cheers -
		Claude

(If DesCartes were...    "I drink, therefore I am!" )
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Another Origin Theory!
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:59:34 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

Imagine my suprise when I was reading an article called "The Sense of Sight"
in the November issue of National Geographic, and ran across the following:

	"At the Free University of Berlin, Otto-Joachim Grusser told 
	me how some people with schizophrenia misperceive faces.  When 
	one 23-year old woman confronted the face of a stranger, "Suddenly 
	the face would get a Dracula expression with bulging eyes, flaring 
	nostrils, dilated pupils, and canine teeth protruding from the mouth.  
	The woman would hear hissing coming from the eyes,' said Grusser.  
	He feels that the Dracula legend and the depiction of the devil in 
	medieval paintings may have arisen from this rare condition."

More wood for the theory-bonfire.  (Don't you hate when people use the name
Dracula interchangeably with the term vampire?  Like calling Frankenstein's
monster by his creator's name)

Greg Bole                               "You gotta look out for Goddamn
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             number-one, pardon-the-vulgarity."   
                                             Dustin Hoffman in _Hero_
From: bacchus@mcl.ucsb.edu (Graham Linn)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Stupid question??
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:14:31 GMT

Well, here goes... All of you "vampires" at universities, how can you attend
classes?  Aren't they held during daylight hours?  I find it hard to believe
that they offer enough night classes!  
#2: How does one become a vampire?  I read Anne Rice, but is she right?
I guess that I am now going to get flooded with email but like I just read,
welcome to usenet, right?

--
THese are _NOT_ my opinions, they are being forced on me by aliens!

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden)
Subject: Re: To Whom It May Concern...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:39:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.221319.2286@bvc.edu> daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:
>  For all those vampyre fans out there, the Science Fiction channel has
>started re-broadcasting the first "Dark Shadows" series in it's entirety.
>

What channel is the Sci_channel on?

Sean
From: myddryn@netcom.com (Adam Sussman)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: methods of detection and killing
Keywords: killing, detection
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:45:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Although the killing aspect does not interest me, i would appreiate it
if someone would post some methods of detection.

thanks

myddryn@netcom
From: young7905@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Help me find the extropians
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:51:48 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

If anyone in this newsgroup is a member if the extropian society, pleas relply
and let me know how to subscribe. Sorry, I don't know enough about fractel
equation to really hold an intelligent dialogue with any of you.
Xref: sparky alt.fractals:1493 sci.fractals:115
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal?
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 04:58:56 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Thanks to Alan ajohnson@algodones.unm.edu
I got this info on fractal articals in biology.
Alan I tried to email you but for some reason a loop developed and couldn't
get through.

Burlando, B. 1990. The fractal dimension of taxonomic systems.
     Journal of Theoretical Biology 146:99-114.


Green, D.M. 1991.  Chaos, fractals and nonlinear dynamics in evolution
     and phylogeny.  Trens in Ecology and Evolution  6:333-337.


Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm
Xref: sparky alt.fractals:1494 sci.fractals:116
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal?
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 05:06:28 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In response to Ian:
Sorry I don't  understand your point of view.

Also, I don't understand how pointing out symmetry in nature mystifies or
romanticies nature.
Pointing out patterns in the universe is the whole point of science.
Not making up rules, but finding the causes behind the patterns.

You believe I swayed away from the mechanistic view of evolution. On the
contrary, what can be moe mechanistic than a fractal. That is part of their
beauty, that something so automatic and simple produces such comlplex and order
order systems. The Universe being one minor example. (though i guess that's
moot too :)

Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm
From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Pi and the Mandelbrot set
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:38:21 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu


Some of you may remember some messages last spring with the title
"Pi and the Mandelbrot set".  You can find this material, complete
with footnoted references to "USENET article" so-and-so, in the
new book:  _Fractals for the Classroom_, Part Two, by Peitgen, Jurgens,
and Saupe.  (Springer-Verlag 1992)
-- 
  Gerald A. Edgar                Internet:  edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
  Department of Mathematics      Bitnet:    EDGAR@OHSTPY
  The Ohio State University      telephone: 614-292-0395 (Office)
  Columbus, OH 43210             -292-4975 (Math. Dept.) -292-1479 (Dept. Fax)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: ian@inf.ethz.ch (Ian)
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal?
Followup-To: sci.fractals
Reply-To: badcoe@uk.ac.bristol.bsa or badcoe@ezrz1.vmsmail.ethz.ch
Organization: Dept Biochemistry, University of Bristol, UK
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:09:13 GMT

>In response to Ian:
>Sorry I don't  understand your point of view.
>
>Also, I don't understand how pointing out symmetry in nature mystifies or
>romanticies nature.

It doesn't mysticize nature, I never said it did.  The mystic bit is
suggestion you made that either (and you could have meant it either way round)
symmetric nature implied fractal evolution or that fractal evolution produced
symmetric nature.  (What's the connection between fractals and symmetry 
anyway?)

>Pointing out patterns in the universe is the whole point of science.

Understanding the universe is the whole point of science, some of the patterns
are meaningless.

>Not making up rules, but finding the causes behind the patterns.

Just so, but why mention it ?

>
>You believe I swayed away from the mechanistic view of evolution. 

No, I never even mentioned it.

>On the
>contrary, what can be moe mechanistic than a fractal. That is part of their
>beauty, that something so automatic and simple produces such comlplex and 
>order

Did we lose a line here ?
Never mind, truth is beauty does not imply that beauty is truth.

>order systems. The Universe being one minor example. (though i guess that's
>moot too :)
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry, you've completely lost me here, are you saying that the universe
is simple ? (have you never filled in a tax form ?)  Are you saying
that it's fractal ?

>
>Levi
>ge0qc@cunyvm

I can't really see what it is that you don't understand.

(i) I don't completely discount the statement "evolution is fractal"
    but what does it mean ?  What parts of evolution are self-similar ?
    Over what range of scales does the effect extend ?

(ii) Even if some part of evolution is fractal, how is it useful ?
     What can we learn about evolution from thinking fractally ?

I quite prepared to consider any strange and unusual ideas that
may be floating by, but I don't find this one very promising.

Still, if you've any ideas for answers to (ii) I'll be very interested.



Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: ej6836994@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: testing
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:19:07 GMT

test posting

Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: twegner@mwunix.mitre.org (Timothy Wegner)
Subject: Re: Problems encountered using Fractint V17.2
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:27:21 GMT

ea1337227@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:

>	Problem faced:
>	I have difficulties using the buit-in "overlay" function in
>Fractint V17.2. I first created different trees and saved them seperately in
>individual Gif files. Then I called one file at a time using the "overlay" 
>function to overlay the individual trees, trying to create a scenery with 
>trees on a piece of land. But I found that certain portion of a tree was 
>always being cut-off by another tree overlaid on top of it. Moreover, I found
>that I can only used one color map at each time. This limits my ability to
>create colourful scenery.

As much as I admire my own program <grin!> I'll have to admit that
Fractint has only the crudest editing capabilities. Your best bet is
to find a good editor. A good shareware one is Improcess, but you might want
a true color editor.

Having said that, there are a few tricks that can help you. You can use
a program like Piclab to make a common color palette for the images you
wish to combine. Secondly you can use Fractint's transparent color
capabilities to carefully allow certain colors to show through the overlayed
image. If you want more info on either of these techniques, send me an
email message. Really though, Fractint's overlay ability is pretty much
limited to adding fractal moons to images, although a clever user can
painstakingly make it do more than that.
--
Tim Wegner     Fractint co-author
Internet: twegner@mwunix.mitre.org  Compuserve: 71320.675@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: stephens@access.digex.com (John Stephens)
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal? explained
Organization: Severn Companies, Inc., Lanham, MD 20706
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:17:25 GMT

In article <92278.013343GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
   [ deleted material ]
>
>Look at the world about you, symmetry reigns.
>
Correction!!! Pseudo-symmetry reigns.  Look in the mirror, at a leaf,
or especially, at a fractal image.


Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: rvs1265@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal? explained
Reply-To: rvs1265@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:46:41 GMT

This is regarding the analogy drawn between Evolution and Fractals.
Taking due lead from this I was wondering if any one wants to join hands
with me for some work which involves the concept of Fractals and Genetic Algorithms, I don't know if people have looked into this area or not, but I am thinking of delving into this.

Interested readers please contact me ASAP.
I am G'Student in Center for Imaging Science.

Thanks,
Sudhakar Somayajula
From: danielg@autodesk.com (Daniel Green)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Color banding algorithims
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:16:01 GMT
Reply-To: danielg@autodesk.com
Organization: Autodesk, Inc.

In article tq@ddsw1.mcs.com, zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
> 
> 	I'm looking for good ways to convert the number of iterations into a
> color using a 16 color system.  Right now my algorithim works fine in low
> zoom factors, but under larger zooms, it doesn't work. (This is for an
> M-set.)

I posted what I think is a fairly optimal solution to this problem a while ago.
I'd still be interested to hear if anyone else has tried similar things.  I
include the algorythm below.  16 colors is quite limited, but this should still
work about as well as possible.

SAMPLING COLORING ALGORYTHM:
        1) load your color map with your favorite color scale.
        2) for a color map size of N, take random sample points
           on the fractal plane area to be rendered, and crunch
           them until you have found N-1 points outside the set.
           Idealy you would also only accept unique exit values but
           that's not always possible, nor does it seem to matter much.
        3) sort those N-1 sample values from low to high.
        4) put infinity (ie, maxint) in the Nth position.
        5) compute the full image.  For each pixel in the image,
           color it using the color map index that is the same as
           the index in the sample array of the sample with the
           smallest value that is larger than that for that pixel.

---
Daniel Green
danielg@autodesk.com
      ___________          ___________
      |         |          |         |
      |  _________         | _________
      |  |       |         | |       |
      |  |  _______        | | _______
      |  |  |     |        | | |     |
      ---|  |  _____       --| | _____
         ---|  | D |         --| | D |
            ---|  G|           --|  G|
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>
Subject: mac woes
Reply-To: "dan mckinnon" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:45:23 EST

    Try Graphics Worksop, a shareware PC program. Newest version is
GRFWK61S.ZIP, uploaded by author today to my home board. It lets you
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From: ea1337227@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Problems encountered using Fractint V17.2
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:36:22 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore


	I have used Fractint V17.2 with great interest. I would like to
contribute but I have encountered difficulties.

	Problem faced:
	I have difficulties using the buit-in "overlay" function in
Fractint V17.2. I first created different trees and saved them seperately in
individual Gif files. Then I called one file at a time using the "overlay" 
function to overlay the individual trees, trying to create a scenery with 
trees on a piece of land. But I found that certain portion of a tree was 
always being cut-off by another tree overlaid on top of it. Moreover, I found
that I can only used one color map at each time. This limits my ability to
create colourful scenery.

	Can anyone please help me with this?
From: k67659703@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (KERL, JOHN R)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: Plasma
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct16.154518.29353@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, lmitchel@nyx.cs.du.edu (lloyd mitchell) writes...
>I'm not sure exactly what method Fractint uses to generate the plasmas.  Out
>of curiosity, I wrote a QuickBASIC plasma routine myself, which wasn't too
>difficult.  Basically, what I did was this.  Start with a square, each corner
>being a randomly chosen corner.  Then, color the center by averaging the 4
>corners and including a random offset.  Break the square into 4 sub squares
>and repeat the process.  As the square size decreases, reduce the random
>offset.
> 
>A variation on this is to stop when the square size is on the order of sveral
>pixels on a side.  Then, color interior pixels by linearly interpolating
>from the corner colors.
> 
>I can post either/both of these programs if there is interest.
> 
>Kerry Mitchell
> 

Please do!!

John R. Kerl
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: lmitchel@nyx.cs.du.edu (lloyd mitchell)
Subject: Re: Plasma
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: How do I make it
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 15:45:18 GMT

In article <DNORT.1.719128677@gribb.hsr.no> DNORT@gribb.hsr.no (Johansen, Trond Robert 6-96) writes:
>I'm a guy from Norway who is very interested in fractals. And I have som 
>questions.
>
>Is the plasma images real fractal images ?
>Is it easy to make one (I've made Mandelbrot, Julia, Sierpinski triangle 
>etc) ?
>
>
>Of course I know about fractint, but it's more fun to make them yourself.
>
>DNORT@GRIBB.HSR.NO


I'm not sure exactly what method Fractint uses to generate the plasmas.  Out
of curiosity, I wrote a QuickBASIC plasma routine myself, which wasn't too
difficult.  Basically, what I did was this.  Start with a square, each corner
being a randomly chosen corner.  Then, color the center by averaging the 4
corners and including a random offset.  Break the square into 4 sub squares
and repeat the process.  As the square size decreases, reduce the random
offset.

A variation on this is to stop when the square size is on the order of sveral
pixels on a side.  Then, color interior pixels by linearly interpolating
from the corner colors.

I can post either/both of these programs if there is interest.

Kerry Mitchell

Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: DNORT@gribb.hsr.no (Johansen, Trond Robert 6-96)
Subject: Plasma
Keywords: How do I make it
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:57:57 GMT

I'm a guy from Norway who is very interested in fractals. And I have som 
questions.

Is the plasma images real fractal images ?
Is it easy to make one (I've made Mandelbrot, Julia, Sierpinski triangle 
etc) ?


Of course I know about fractint, but it's more fun to make them yourself.

DNORT@GRIBB.HSR.NO
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals