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From: ac999257@umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:14:51 GMT
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In article <93Jan26.103732pst.12276@alpha.xerox.com> Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com writes:
>
>I did.  Nothing terribly memorable *except* for Gary Beacom (who else) skating
>around in a straitjacket to a song with lyrics like, "I'm a little mad",

FYI: that was "I'm Going Slightly Mad" by Queen. What a choice of music! But
it was a good interpretation and one that only Gary could do.

Mary
From: donnaf@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Donna Wesley Fountain)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:24:57 GMT
Subject: Re: (Figure) Skaters who have changed the sport
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skate

/ hpcupt3:rec.skate / loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore) /  7:24 pm  Jan 15, 1993 /
Just a note -- there *are* more jumps than the "basic six".  Here
are a few of them:

* inside axel -- takeoff like an axel, but lands on the back inside
  edge of the takeoff foot.

* one-foot axel -- like an axel, but with takeoff from the "other" foot.

Hi Sandra,

   I have used both of these jumps in my programs.  From  a rightie's
   standpoint:

* inside axel -- takeoff is on the RFI edge, and the landing is on the RBO
                 edge.  The landing is the same as an Axel-Paulson or
                 regular axel.

* one-foot axel -- takeoff is the same as a regular axel (LFO edge); 
                 landing is on the LBI edge.  You open the jump in mid-air
                 to pull out that LBI landing.  They are very tricky and
                 much harder than they look.  They are often used for
                 jump combos, such as Jill Trenary's one-foot axel to
                 triple sal combination.

   I enjoy reading your postings.  Best regards,  Donna F.

Xref: sparky rec.skate:3991 sci.med:24402 rec.skiing:10016 rec.running:4048
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skates are faster than bikes! (was: ASTM Roller ...)
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan20.104713.8152@cc.gatech.edu> uwe@cc.gatech.edu (BROCKMANN,UWE) writes:
> >> Skaters can achieve higher speeds than cyclists on downhills due to
> >> lower wind resistance. 
> >
> >Really?  Wow!  I get up to 50 mph every now and then on my bicycle and I have
> >gone 60 mph in a bike race.  I can't imagine going this fast on skates.
> 
> Skaters can draft each other more closely than cyclists. They can touch
> each other and form a "train" when going downhills. This allows them to
> go faster than cyclists.

Bicylists to this in race situations.

> In the Athens-to-Atlanta race I observed the lead pack of skaters
> routinely outrunning all support bicycle riders on the major downhills.

I would wonder if this says more about the condition of the cycists
relative to the skaters than the efficiency of the skates vs. cycles.

What kind of average speed can good skaters maintain over several
miles or tens of miles?

> A skater who does not stay with the pack on downhills loses a lot of
> ground that is hard to make up afterwards. This forces skaters to
> stay in the pack and achieve high speeds. I estimate that groups of
> skaters exceed 50 mph in this race whereas individual skaters can only
> go about 40 mph on the same downhills.

Very much the bicycle case too.

-- 
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From: cadday@coulomb.pcc.oz.au (Dean Caddaye)
Subject: Re: Braking in general w/inlines (was Re: Faster t-stop (how to))
Organization: Prospect Electricity
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:11:08 GMT

Kirk Lindstrom (kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) wrote:
: 
: How fast are you going when you use T-Stops?  Are they for high or low
: speed stops?
: 
: Kirk out

I generally use T-Stops for medium speed stops depending on the surface. 
If I am absolutely hooting, then I begin slowing down by using the heel
brake on its own (the best method being to push the knee of the
rear leg into the back of the knee of the leading leg whilst heel
braking, thus forming a triangular base which leads to a more solid stop).
When I have peeled off some speed, then the combination T-Stop/rear brake
technique can come into play. On a smooth surface (like concrete), the
combination T-Stop/heel stop works quite well at speed. On slightly more 
irregular surfaces such as asphalt, however, it is better to slow a little
before stopping like this.
No matter how you slice it, stopping at high speed can be tricky regardless
of the stopping technique used. 
-- 
% Dean Caddaye
% Prospect Electricity
% 10 Smith Street, Parramatta NSW 2150, Australia
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From: Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:37:49 -0600
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	"Did anyone watch Stars on Ice before the Nationals?"

I did.  Nothing terribly memorable *except* for Gary Beacom (who else) skating
around in a straitjacket to a song with lyrics like, "I'm a little mad",
illuminated only by other skaters carrying portable lights.  Do you think he's
trying to tell us something?

			- Michel

denber.wbst147@xerox.com
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From: bjornmu@idt.unit.no (Bj|rn P. Munch)
Subject: European speed skating championship: women's results
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:42:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.200536.7975@ugle.unit.no> bjornmu@idt.unit.no (Bj|rn P. Munch) writes:
|> 
|> I'll post some of the women's results sometime tomorrow (haven't got my
|> newspaper here).

OK, here are the finishing 12, in roughly the same format as the men's
results were posted (sorry, not quite complete....):

 1. Hunyady    AUT  40.86 (1)  4.22.66 (3)  2.03.05 (1)  7.29.19 (4)  170.721
 2. Warnicke   GER  42.41 (10) 4.17.84 (2)  2.05.19 (3)  7.17.05 (2)  170.818
 3. Basjanova  RUS  41.94 (6)  4.23.98 (4)  2.06.32 (4)  7.36.05 (6)  173.647
 4. Belci      ITA  43.12 (15) 4.26.35 (6)  2.08.44 (8)  7.30.23 (5)  175.347
 5. Yttredal   NOR  41.51 (2)  4.28.19 (7)  2.07.71 (7)  7.47.30 (9)  175.508
 6. Niemann    GER  47.66F(21) 4.17.43 (1)  2.04.89 (2)  7.15.50 (1)  175.745
 7. Zijlstra   NED    ???      4.25.41 (5)    ???        7.28.87 (3)  176.002
 8. Hordobetiu ROM  41.59 (3)  4.30.61 (11) 2.09.34 (11) 7.48.88 (10) 176.692
 9. Krohn      SWE  43.02 (14) 4.29.71 (9)  2.09.09 (10) 7.41.32 (7)  177.133
10. Wasilewska POL  41.93 (5)    ???        2.06.64 (5)  7.53.77 (12) 177.183
11. T|nsberg   NOR  42.96 (13) 4.28.73 (8)  2.09.61 (13) 7.42.35 (8)  177.186
12. Langli     NOR  42.86 (11) 4.30.32 (10) 2.09.70 (14) 7.51.93 (11) 178.339

   (F = w/fall)

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From: greg@organia.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: Outdoor Skating in Ontario
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:06:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.215903.10886@cbnews.cb.att.com> dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme) writes:
   I'll be going to Toronto in mid-February for a winter vacation
   and I'd like some information good places to skate.  Are there 
   any full length speedskating tracks around there?  I was even
   considering driving to some of the other cities in Ontario.
   My main interests are skating, hockey and winter sports.  My
   wifes main interests are history and site-seeing.  I thought
   Ottawa might be a good place to go for both of our interests.

   I'd appreciate any information on skating, hockey, or anything
   else of interest that's going on around Ontario in February.

Re Ovals: Kitchener Waterloo (1 hr out of Toronto) apparantly has an
400m oval in operation, though I couldn't tell you where.
Unfortunately, their climate can be a tad warm for outdoor ice, so
caveat emptor.  

You can skate on artifical outdoor ice at City Hall in Toronto.  Can't
say that I have though.

We in Ottawa (5 hrs from Toronto) have an outdoor natural ice 400m
oval.  It remains in operation until the end of February.  We also
have "the worlds largest skating rink" -- the Rideau Canal -- about
8km of ice.  (Who cares about turns!)  I use it to commute.  Just
watch out for the cracks, bumps and other "features" of canal ice
(especially on Viking Specials).  February 5 thru 14 is a good time to
come to Ottawa as that is when "Winterlude" takes place.  A week of
celebrating winter (or at least making it quasi bareable).

There is a 333m oval in Sault Ste Marie.

Lake Placid is 3.5 hrs from Ottawa.  Quebec City 5.

----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------8<----------

We have 20, 10 and 40km races on the Canal.  20km is on Sun, Jan 31.
The 10 and 40km are on Sat Feb 6.  Contack Lynette Madsen @ (613)
233-4495 for more information.
  ..greg
--
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Systems Engineering, Carleton University, | create the world in seven days is
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada  K1S 5B6.         | that he didn't have to worry about 
greg@sce.carleton.ca  ...!cunews!sce!greg | the installed base" -- Enzo Torresi
From: mossman@dipso.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Kucichii and Wedland?
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:58:50 GMT
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I was looking over the standings for the Pairs at the Nationals and
notcied that Jenny Meno and Todd Sand are now skating togther. Does
anybody know what happened to Natasha Kucichii (former partner of
Todd Sand and my fave US pair) and Scott Wedland (former partner
of Jenny Meno)? In the what happened to category, I also wondered
if Chris Bowman is still skating. Last I heard he had dumped
Toller Cranston (or was it the other way around) and was back in
California. I really enjoyed his skating when he paying attention
to it. I would give him my vote as the most sad waste of a great
talent. Sort of the John MacEnroe of Skating but more tempermental.

Amy Mossman
From: wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Observations on Nationals
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:02:40 GMT
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
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Diane MacMartin (mdm@bnr.ca) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan25.222536.5189@photon.com> wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette) writes:
: 
: >	- I cannot for the life of me understand how Roca and Sur were
: >allowed to compete!  They performed beautifully and earned the gold, BUT
: >he doesn't even have a green card yet, much less his US citizenship,
: >just an intention to get it.  I realize that the US desparately wants
: >a competitive ice dancing couple, but we shouldn't allow someone to
: >compete who cannot represent us at the World's.  I know that this matter
: >is still undecided, but it should have been decided before letting them
: >skate.
: 
: Didn't the TV announcers say that he IS allowed to compete at World's,
: but that he would need citizenship or whatever before being allowed to
: compete at the Olympics?

	I haven't seen any TV coverage, being in Phoenix all week, but the
Phoenix paper was indicating that it still was uncertain if they could go
to World's, and if not then Punsallin and Swallow (3rd place) would get to
go instead.  Anybody out there know the official (i.e., USFSA/ISU) policy?

: I was less than impressed with ALL the pairs skaters, by the way.  Most
: of the better ones needed more time together as pairs.

I agree with regard to Meno and Sand -- but Calla and Rocky have been skating
together for some time -- how much more time do they need? and IMHO, they
looked pretty good.
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From: kcreta@sedona.intel.com (Kenneth Creta)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Blading Gifs
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:44:34 GMT
Reply-To: kcreta@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation, ASIC in the Desert
Originator: kcreta@sedona


Hey,

Does anyone out there have any cool gifs of blading.  An airborne shot would
be great.

					Ken
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:16:13 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
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In article <1993Jan24.203432.12605@netcom.com>, cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher) writes:
> 
> I am not sure if this is the reason, but competitive roller-skating uses
>an 'ordinals' system to determine winners of events. When the event is
>completly finished, each judge gives each competitor a rank. (not a score)
>So each judge can give only one 1st place, one 2nd place, and so on. So
>as they are scoring each person individually, they have to take into
>account skaters they havent seen and the 'probable' job that that skater 
>will do. To be honest, I am not sure if figure skating uses the same 
>scoring system. (I have gone to ice-skating competitions at the St. Mortiz
>rink in Dublin Ca - home of Kristi, Brian, etc. and they used this system
>of judging.) I dont know if it is used at the higher level competitions
>though. And it has always kind of made me wonder how the 'number
>score' given at the end of each performance plays into all of this. I have
>seen 2 different competitors get the same number score from the same
>judge (say a 5.9, etc.) So, you got me there... :) 
>

    They do use the ordinal system in figure skating, though it is probably
used in conjunction with the scoring.   That is, two people can get 5.9, but
there is also an ordinal given to the two skaters if they are reanked high enough.
My problem is not with the ordinals which may give scores that are artificially
high (i.e., a 5.9 in the Nationals would probably by a 5.6 or lower in the
Worlds), but with the fact that historically good skaters seem to automatically
have their scores boosted.   For example, suppose Nancy Kerrigan and, oh,
Nicole Bobek switched the routines, and each skated as well as the other
person.   I think you would still see that Kerrrigan would have won, and
Bobek scored low.   You really have to mess up, like Tonya Harding, or like
Kurt Browning in the Olympics to score bad.   All I'm saying is that it
seems to be that Nancy Kerrigan (or any skater of reasonable fame) are given
the benefit of the doubt if they do not skate a perfect routine, esp. if they
are known to have skated good routines in the past.   For example, this sort
of thing, I thought, happened with Paul Wylie in last year's Nationals, where
I thought he made enough mistakes that Mitchell should have been put ahead 
of him, but wasn't because Wylie's chances of getting into the Olympics another
time wasn't good.   Of course, this turned out to be a smart move, because
Wylie took advantage of the poor skating by other skaters, and turning in
a good performance at a big occasion, and winning the silver.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Date: 24 Jan 1993 04:47:30 GMT
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   I'm sure this is in the most recent skating FAQ, but here goes the question
anyway.   Watching the women's US Nationals (they conveniently replace the men's
with basketball.   For some reason--ratings, I suspect, skating is routinely
pre-empted in favor of something else), the top skaters usually are given
some favor.   For example, Kwaikowski seemed to have more trouble making
her landings than say, Bobek.   Yet, she scored higher technically.  It
seems that once you have been in the business a while, and skate well, the
judges are willing to bump your scores higher, and a new, untested skater
lower.   Hence, Kerrigan might win because she may never have a chance
of winning a Nationals again (though unlikely, since this occurs every
year), and yet despite a fall, she still gets outstanding scores.   This
kind of scoring seems to apply to sports like synchronized swimming, as well.

    Of course, I am hardly an experienced spectator, so perhaps there were
artisitic merits that I failed to see in Kerrigan's routine that elevated
her above the others, but I get the feeling that this is not true.

    Right now, I'm not sure who the top people in the skating field are.
Americans usually fare poorly in the pairs, and it looks like that they may
fare not well again.   It seems all the good technical skaters go to singles
while the Russians don't have a top female singles skater, and only one top
male skater that I can recall, but always do well in the pairs.   The Russians
usually fare well in the ice dancing, and pairs.   The Americans is women's
singles, and men's singles (though, not lately).   If anyone has a list
of who is considered tops in the various categories, I'd like to see it.  I
assume Usova and Zhulin and Rakhamo and Koko(?) are tops in ice dancing.
I have no clue who's tops in ice pairs.   Women's, umm, I don't know.
Surya Bonaly is still skating.   There's Lou Chen, and Yuka Sato.  Of course,
there's Kerrigan, and Lisa Ervin looks promising.  Any others?  I have no idea
who's in the men's.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Sheer Energy from Music
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:00:57 GMT
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In-reply-to: acourt@ncc.uky.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 17:26:57 GMT

In article <C1H1sy.78@ms.uky.edu> acourt@ncc.uky.edu (Allan Courtney) writes:



   There is only one good reason to learn how to skate, and that is for the sheer
   fun of it.  Certainly you may have other reasons, quite good ones in fact; but
   if you don't love the idea of gliding on ice, if you are not thrilled by the
   thought of leaping into the air, or if the image of a cold wind biting your
   cheeks as you fly around the rink does not send welcome shivers up your spine,
   then skating is not for you.  If you start skating in search of its pleasures
   and thrills you'll find unimagined fulfillment.
					   - John Misha Petkevich


Here, here! BUT, I think we can drop the ice and cold wind biting part
to make it more generic.

Dance the night away on your skates!,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@BBN.com
From: sjh@news.lif.icnet.uk (Saki Hajnal <sjh@acl.icnet.uk>)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: US National Championship results!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:04:32 -0000
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In article <1jt712INNr5n@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I have no clue who's tops in ice pairs.   Women's, umm, I don't know.
|> Surya Bonaly is still skating.   There's Lou Chen, and Yuka Sato.  Of course,
|> there's Kerrigan, and Lisa Ervin looks promising.  Any others?
|> 
|> --
|> Charles Lin
|> clin@eng.umd.edu

Surya Bonaly won the Europeans again, but keep an eye on the girl who came
second: Oksana Baiul from Ukraine. She was _very_ artistic, and landed
(among other things) a fabulous triple-lutz. A couple of errors, but then
she is only 15. Three of the judges placed her first (in her first year
of competition).

Saki
sjh@acl.lif.icnet.uk
From: jss@bofur.unh.edu (Spectre)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Warning: Bearing Cleaning
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:03:10 GMT
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In article <36020011@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett) writes:
>   For those of you considering using a water based solvent for cleaning
>bearings, please be sure to make sure your bearings are dry after cleaning.
>You can use a variety of methods to dry them (ie. oven, compressed air,
>water displacing lubricant). I just seized up 4 bearings because I did not
>use enough care. I will probably go back to using mineral spirits to avoid
>this mess again, but that's not to say water based cleaners are bad. They have
>the advantage of being more enviromentally friendly, but it's hard to get
>over the $15.00 it cost me.
>

	On that note....I know it's been getting old on cleaning bearings
but....

	Over christmas I went blading with a friend of mine (Who signed 
pro October!! :).  We were talking about cleaning bearings.  He gave me the
best method I've been able to find.  Take a jar and put whatever fammable
material you can find in it (gas, oil, Jack Daniels, Rocket Fuel, etc...).
Once you have your wonderful formula, you need a drill.   Put a pen or pencil
on the end of the drill in place of the drillbit.  Put tape around the pen
until a bearing will fit tight over the pen and tape.  Put the pen in the
solution, and spin the drill for about a minute (I recommend a Makita batter
operated model :).  You can keep the same solution for cleaning at least 5
different times.  It works wonderfully!!  I was able to get totally frozen
bearings to run clean this way, and these bearings had sand and everything
in them (I used to skate on the beach, and all the sand got into my bearings)

					-Jeff

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