HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: 2112 ending... (was: RE: The Fountain O
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:26:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.175251.11925@news.duc.auburn.edu>, hammekr@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth R. Hammett) writes:
> The story for 2112 was based explicitly on Rand's _Anthem_
> (from which Peart had already borrowed the title).  The
> stories parallel so closely that I've always assumed the
> endings were the same...
	Actually, (if I remember the source...) in _Visions_, it says that
Peart didn't read _Anthem_ until AFTER the album was recorded, but BEFORE it
was shipped.  He felt that her story was SO close to hers that she deserved
credit for thinking the same as he does (this is my paraphrasing).  That's why
she was credited on the jacket, even though she didn't influence the albums
recording.
	Earl
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Howard Johnson's Got His Ho-Jo Workin')
Subject: Re: Live In St Louis
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:39:24 GMT

Or how about "Dr. Grendel?"
Who knows, Alex says he likes reading long books on tours, the longer
the better (he mentioned Shogun in one interview; someone should turn
him on to War and Peace ;).  How 'bout a few zillion versions of
the poem/epic Beowulf???

cheers,
a punchy frank

--
"I'm shooting pool, Fats.  When I miss--*then* you can shoot."
                               --"Fast Eddie" Felson
"Be sure to leave your underpants with someone you can trust."
                               -- Jethro Tull                     
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From: 901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte)
Subject: MORE NEW RUSH GIFS at Syrinx
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:20:39 GMT

Yo Fans,

Just wanted to post a bulletin here that I uploaded some new Rush
GIFs into the /rush/incoming directory at syrinx.umd.edu.
They are fresh new scans that I did, guaranteed to be nothing you
already have.  They include:

ALEXHUG.GIF -  Geddy Lee grimaces as Alex gives him a weird hug.
	       (Holding his black Wal)
GEDDY2.GIF  -  Geddy Lee during the Presto Tour.  Small GIF.

GEDDY3.GIF  -  Geddy Lee with his Steinberger bass.

LIFESON.GIF -  Alex standing by his Gallien Kreuger gear.

I will be doing a LOT more Rush scans once I get the material.
As for the above four, ftp to syrinx at your leisure and grab 'em!
I'll keep you all posted when I put more there.  Cheers!

	     - Kevin   901430w@dragon.acadiau.ca
From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Satanism and Humor (was Re: Rivendell (was Re: ALBUM BOUT)
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:38:09 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <C1H5Ko.100@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young) writes:

>   How does one listen to backward satanic messages if one has to look
>so hard for them, anyway. This was one thing I was always unclear on...
>That's why I thought that whole Judas Priest thing was a riot...

>-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96

	I also thought the whole Judas Priest controversy was a riot, too.
Actually, I decided one day to try and find that "DO IT" message in there...

	About a minute and a half into the song, I heard... very faintly,
but distinguishably... what sounded like a person muttering DO IT. I can't
tell if it was purposely said or if an instrument is creating that sound...

	Whatever the case is, after six hours of beer and joints, you'll be
hearing lots of things coming out of Lawrence Welk music...

	Sorry, this got off the track, especially the Rush track. Back to
the program... :)

-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees"
From: mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Trees
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:09:48 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <C1C1v7.7n@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young) writes:
>Fellows,
>        This may be dumb question, but in the Trees,what is Peart
>writing about? Is it about race relations? Is it about Quebec vs.
>English Canada? Is it about liberalism/socialism in general?  I'm not
>quite clear, though I have a basic handle on it. Also, is Rush becoming
>politically more liberal? Their earlier lyrics seem to often be
>rightist Ayn Rand-derived stuff, whereas in songs like "The Big Money"
>and "Red Tide" Peart seems to be more politically liberal...

It's my *personal* opinion that Peart is talking about race relations in
the trees.  That song has always struck me that way.  Now that you've brought
up some different ideas, I see where it can be applied to several views.
But, like all rush songs, that's the beauty of the music.  Even though certain
themese may be almost automatic to one person, another can easily pick
out different views that fit just as well.  Likewise, I find myself in
a political argument with myself concerning their progression.  I am a 
staunch conservative republican (which I believe is close to the bands
early views), But yet, prefer their newer releases (which are more liberal)
to the older albums.  What does one do?  Do I sacrifice my political views
for the sake of the music I prefer? or do I deny the music that I most enjoy
for the sake of remaining politically constant?  I guess we can sum it up like
this:  if all of the questions in life were this trivial we'd all be a hell of
a lot happier eh?


-- 
| Mike Wilson | You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.         |
|   Va Tech   | If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.    |
|  UnderGrad  | You can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill |
|Comp. Science| I will chose a path that's clear, I will chose Free Will.-RUSH|
From: jtkung@netcom.com (Joseph T. Kung)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees" [CA vs US]
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:27:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services

In article <108493@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <C1I48K.Iqu@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young) writes:
>
>>In article <108428@bu.edu>
>>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>
>>>  So the maples formed a union
>>> >> And demanded equal rights.
>>> >> "These oaks are just too greedy;
>>> >> We will make them give us light."
>>> >> Now there's no more oak oppression,
>>> >> For they passed a noble law,
>>> >> And the trees are all kept equal
>>> >> By hatchet, axe, and saw.
>
>>  I don't know, it sounds really political. Do the lyrics imply that it
>>shouldn't have been this way (thus being an anti-collectivist song) or
>>that the "oaks" learned their lesson for "ignoring their pleas" and
>>wondering "why the maples can't be happy in their shade." 
>
>I would say it _is_ very political, and yes, anticollectivist. I would
>say it is true that the "oaks" pay the price for ignoring the complaints
>of the maples -- they should have been prepared to defend themselves.
>On the other hand, if they are a small enough minority this may have
>been impossible, etc. I think the song is designed to point out one
>of the shortcomings of democracy given "human behavior".
>
>>  Someone e-mailed me and said this :
>>     Oaks = U.S.  and     Maples = Canada
>>I suppose the song could be taken to mean that the U.S. grabs all the
>>light and treats Canada almost like a "child" or a protectorate.
>
>So the territories are going to demand equal rights and then reduce
>the US? Doesn't sound plausible. Furthermore, why connect the US with
>the oak tree? Canada=maple I understand but that's all there is to
>make remotely plausible this interpretation.
>
>
>Gregg
>

This sounds just as plausible as maples issuing noble laws and using
hatchets and saws to make all trees equal. :-) The reason why this
nation analogy sounds interesting is that Rush blatantly blast the US
in the song, "Beneath, Between & Behind." It is not uncommon to see
Canadians irritated at the fact that some people here mistake them for
Americans. Also, when they travel to Europe, it's always with a Maple
Leaf on their backpack since they know that Canadians are a much
"cooler lot" than arrogant Americans over there, and Europeans know
it and act accordingly. :-)  This was most exemplified by the most recent
World Series. As cities and citizens go, Toronto is a lot more
liberal, tolerant, and cosmopolitan than Atlanta could ever hope to
be, IMHO. And it's probably a fair comparison between Canadians and
Americans as a whole [they would have voted for Clinton if given a
choice]. 

So I think the general feeling of a "Maple" in the song "The Trees"
definitely reflects the attitudes of the Canadians and the Oppressive
Oaks sounds like the Old Republican US to me ... ahh, but times are
a'changing for the better! :-)


- Joe
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From: moleface@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Moleface)
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:06:07 GMT


> rocks, and By-Tor started the innovative "epic"-type song which I
>
Not to nit-pick or anything, because I love Rush's 10-20 minute songs, but  
Yes and ELP were doing these types of songs years before the first Rush  
album.  No flames, please, I just had to be a little bit anal.

Moleface
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: kamartin@quads.uchicago.edu (Kai Anthony Martin)
Subject: Question on Lifeson's Gear
Followup-To: kamartin@midway.uchicago.edu
Summary: What are Taurus pedals?
Reply-To: kamartin@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:41:57 GMT

Hello out there,

	I was recently looking at the liner notes for PERMANENT WAVES, andI
noticed that listed under what instruments Alex played on the album was 
something called a Taurus pedal.  I remember this being listed on other albums,
as well.  Anyway, what is a Taurus pedal?  Is it a special stomp-box or
effects processor?  What sound does it make?  Is there anywhere one could
buy such a thing?  Thanks a lot; I've been wondering about these things for
a while...

-Kai Martin (kamartin@midway.uchicago.edu)




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===============================================================================
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            Undergraduate student, Mathematics & Computer Science
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From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Afterimage
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:35:28 GMT

> 	I had the privilege to get a whole new bunch of Rush tapes (sorry,
> still trying to save up the money to get a CD player) over the Christmas
	Find a way - it's worth it.  But while you're waiting, try this:
	Find a friend who HAS a CD player.  Buy CDs and blank cassettes, lend
your CDs to the friend in exchange for him taping your tapes.  You end up with
as good quality (if your friend is competent) on your cassette as if you'd
bought it, you've got CDs for when you get your player (I'm depressed now
because I've only got 3 CDs to play in my brand new 6-disk pioneer player), 
and for me, I converted a friend to a Rush fan!

> break, including p/g. I can't believe I waited so long to get this album; it
> is probably one of their best ever aside from MP. My favorite song on there
> has to be "Afterimage." It is so beautiful composed. I assume Peart is again
> responsible for such lyrics as "Suddenly - you were gone from all the lives
> you left your mark upon..." and "We ran by the water on the wet summer lawn
> - I see the footprints..."
> 	Allright, enough of that. My question is this: is this song discuss
> death or the passage of time and leaving your friends behind?
	Afterimage is a song about a friend of theirs who died in a car
accident.  I'm not completely positive that it was a car accident, but I think
it's in the FAQ, and I'm sure it's in _VISIONS_.

	This is one of the next 4 CDs I'm going to buy.
	Earl
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Digital vs. Analog
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:50:33 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > And as for the Digital vs Analog debate, I personally think Analog
 > is better for the following reasons:
 > 1)  With Digital (computer), the sound is either 1 or 0, while in
 > Analog (real
 >     life), sounds vary "infinitely"

Mmmm, I guess I see what you're saying.  But the problem is, everybody I
know plays their music through speakers.  Speakers are powered by
electrical current, which is either on or off, 1 or 0.  Seems like a
pretty good match, then, to me.

 > 2)  Digital works better with the lower portion of the sound
 > range, while
 >     Analog works better with the higher end of the sound range.

It's a theory I guess.

 > 3)  Digital systems tend to leave the user at the mercy of the
 > system itself.
 >     Analog systems leave more control to the user itself.

Don't think I follow you.  The knobs still work on MY amp, even with the
CD player.
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From: bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:36:09 GMT

From article <108333@bu.edu>, by jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger):
> In article <1993Jan26.091436.10172@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
> Say what?
> 
> The relevant lyrics are:
> 
> So the maples formed a union
> And demanded equal rights.
> "These oaks are just too greedy;
> We will make them give us light."
> Now there's no more oak oppression,
> For they passed a noble law,
> And the trees are all kept equal
> By hatchet, axe, and saw.
> 
> 
> "They" clearly refers to the maples here.
> 
> 
> 
> Gregg
> 

I always thought this song was a negative comment about socialism.  The
Maples form a union (traditional socialist organization) and force the
haves (Oaks) to give (light) to the have-nots (Maples).  What do you think?

Brendan Dwyer

"Sometimes the odd number wins, when the big wheel spins."  N. Peart
From: dunson@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (M_BRIAN_DUNSON)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: all about bootlegs
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:21:39 GMT
Reply-To: dunson@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU
Organization: Ohio University, Dept. of MIS, College of Business Administration

In article <1993Jan21.164958.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, dtonya@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>	I have several of the bootlegs from the RTB tour and heard many others

middle portion deleted...

>	For other tours I have to agree that "La Villa Strangiato" is
>fantastic.  It sounds like a regular release except for a peak at about
>13khz-15.5khz.   The version of 2112 is the best Rush has ever done IMHO.  In
>fact the whole band seems to let loose during this concert and not play as
>strictly as they normally do.  Also, the studio bootleg called "Electric
>Ladyland" is a must have for fans of early Rush.  THis is the first recordings
>made by the band with Neil as their drummer.  They played live for what sounds
>like 6 or mabey 8 people in a studio.  

>	Also, don't send any flames about the immorality of distributing
>bootleg copies.  I really don't give a shit.  I just want to give others who
>ain't got $30-$60 to buy a boot to get a better sounding copy than the original
>for $7-$10.  
>
>BTW, since Neil Peart took another trip to Africa (Nov.), can we expect Mystic
>Rythems II?

I picked up La Villa Stangiato also, and you are absolutely correct...it is 
totally awesome.  Same goes for Electric Ladyland.  I've had Electric 
Ladyland for about 5 years and it still gives me a woody every time I 
listen to it.  It is very raw but undeniably an awesome recording.

A friend of mine whom I am no longer in contact with had a 12 in LP called 
Countdown that has a number of Signals tracks on it AWA an interview with 
each band member (if my memory serves me correctly).  Ever heard of it?  
I'd like to get a copy of it.

Another Mystic Rythyms would do me just fine...

It for now...

Brian
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: 2112 ending... (was: RE: The Fountain O
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:44:06 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

Wow!  jaeger@buphy.bu.edu typed...
> In article <1993Jan21.072627.1@cc.uvcc.edu> brownea@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
> >In article <1993Jan20.175251.11925@news.duc.auburn.edu>, hammekr@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth R. Hammett) writes:
> 
> >	Actually, (if I remember the source...) in _Visions_, it says that
> >Peart didn't read _Anthem_ until AFTER the album was recorded, but BEFORE it
> >was shipped.
> 
> I think the story is that he read _Anthem_ *again* and put the credit
> after it was recorded but before the cover was printed because he
> realized that it was so similar to the story (which he'd already read).

From the FAQ:

Where did the story of _2112_ come from?

   "The inspiration behind it was ...  It's difficult always to trace those
   lines because so many things tend to coalesce, and in fact it ended up
   being quite similar to a book called _Anthem_ by the writer Ayn Rand.  But
   I didn't realize that while I was working on it, and then eventually as the
   story came together, the parallels became obvious to me and I thought, 'Oh
   gee, I don't want to be a plagiarist here.'  So I did give credit to her
   writings in the liner notes." - Neil Peart, in the December 2, 1991
   "Rockline" interview
-- 
dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu                                              Dan Delany
   "Nothing takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love."
     -- Charlie Brown
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:07:29 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album bouts

I'm suprised no one has mentioned two specific songs in defense of why
they think HYF is better than FBN:

Mission and Prime Mover...

I love HYF, and there isn't a bad track on there, but these two just
stand out...

Early Rush, (ie. FBN) doesn't really interest me, especially the song
FBN and Anthem... By-Tor and the Snow Dog is awesome, but I prefer
Queensryche's Best I Can to Rush's, personally...  Nothing else sticks
out on FBN that interest me, while there are 10 songs on FBN that kick
me in the ass...

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: mgm2731@zeus.tamu.edu (Mike 'Vogon' Margolis)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:07 CST
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In article <C1IrCB.LLx@fang.att.com>, bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer) writes...
>From article <108333@bu.edu>, by jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger):
>> The relevant lyrics are:
>> 
>> So the maples formed a union
>> And demanded equal rights.
>> "These oaks are just too greedy;
>> We will make them give us light."
>> Now there's no more oak oppression,
>> For they passed a noble law,
>> And the trees are all kept equal
>> By hatchet, axe, and saw.
>> 
>> 
>> "They" clearly refers to the maples here.
> 
>I always thought this song was a negative comment about socialism.  The
>Maples form a union (traditional socialist organization) and force the
>haves (Oaks) to give (light) to the have-nots (Maples).  What do you think?
> 
>Brendan Dwyer
> 

The above interpretation falls in-line with a similar one I've discussed 
before. The oak/maple rivalry could be compared to the formation of labor 
unions back in the earlier part of this century. The oaks represent the 
big-buisness bosses that forced the workers into unfair conditions (i.e. the 
absence of light represents the long hours of work, low wages, and no voice in 
the running of the buisness). Finally, the maples (the workers in the factories)
form unions and demand to be treated to the same benefits as the upper 
managment (e.g. shorter work weeks, increased wages, etc.). The government 
eventually passed laws to protect these employees of these unions, but 
nevertheless, the union solution is far from perfect as is evidenced by the 
troubles that exist between management and labor unions today. The hatchet, 
axe, and saw line could refer to the way that the union bosses and the 
managment bosses get together to from a labor contract in an advesarial manner.

In my opinion, the above interpretation and the issue of racism seem to be the 
most plausible "explainations" for the song.

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 |   MGM2731@sigma.tamu.edu  |    On the heads of the innocent children | 
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From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Dumb Question about Trees
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:25:08 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <C1Cs8D.A6B@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>
mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:

> It's my *personal* opinion that Peart is talking about race relations in
> the trees.  That song has always struck me that way.  Now that you've brought
> up some different ideas, I see where it can be applied to several views.
> But, like all rush songs, that's the beauty of the music.  Even though certain
> themese may be almost automatic to one person, another can easily pick
> out different views that fit just as well.  Likewise, I find myself in
> a political argument with myself concerning their progression.  I am a 
> staunch conservative republican (which I believe is close to the bands
> early views), But yet, prefer their newer releases (which are more liberal)
> to the older albums.  What does one do?  Do I sacrifice my political views
> for the sake of the music I prefer? or do I deny the music that I most enjoy
> for the sake of remaining politically constant?  I guess we can sum it up like
> this:  if all of the questions in life were this trivial we'd all be a hell of
> a lot happier eh?
> 

If I let my politics interfere w/ my musical prefrence, I would have
never have gotten into Rush. I'd have plenty "left" to choose from (it
seems that most rock music, to the extent that it is political, is
mostly on the left side of the spectrum), but I'd be missing something.
I find this connection esp. fascinating w/ other Rush fans because you
guys all have anti-Clinton
things on your signatures. (In case you haven't guessed, I voted for
him.)

Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..." -R.E.M.
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College or any of its students...
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