HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Info wanted on Cannondale SM800
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:59:02 GMT

I know someone who has a '91 (I assume) Cannondale SM800 mountain bike
that he's selling.  I've seen it, and it's in very good condition.  It
has all the standard Shimano LX stuff on it, but he said he added a DX
crank.  What I'm asking is, to anyone out there who is a bike enthusiast
enough to know, what's a fair price for it?  He's asking in the low to mid
400's for it, is that fair?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

-Andrew Krenz
uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ??? How to send bikes to Europe ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:57:33 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> DIRK SUTTER writes:
>
> Does anybody know anything about sending bikes to Europe (specially
> Germany) or do you have experiences with that?
> 1.  I would like to know about taxes (heard something of up to 25 %)
>     and how you can avoid them. Is it true that I don't have to pay
>     taxes if I used it at least one year in the States?

Yes.
>
> 2.  What does it cost to send a bike by ship? How much is it by plane?
>     Is it possible to send it as extra luggage? Do they pack it or do
>     I have to do that (I am going to fly with Lufthansa)?

I wouldn't bother sending it by ship unless you're sending a lot of other stuff
over; Furniture, books, stereo equipment, skis, etc. The shipping companies
will charge something like $100/cubic meter, but a cubic meter is a lot. It
will take a couple of months for your stuff to get there.

To send a bike by plane, get a carton from your local bike shop. Remove the
wheels, pedals, seat, and handlebars from the bike, and put all the pieces in
the carton. Then, fill this carton up with clothing. This carton will count as
one piece of baggage, and you will probably be allowed two. Additional pieces
of baggage will cost about $100 apiece.
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: More bad press for cyclists
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:30:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Spidey, of course. The next time I see a dickweed hammer-head
like this on the White Rock trail, I'm gonna jam a piece of
wood into his spokes.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22795 rec.bicycles.racing:307
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: RESULTS : Nissan Classic Stage 4
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:00:30 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1992Sep27.121206.17808@cs.hw.ac.uk> sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
reports: 

>Nissan "Who said it was a sprinter's race?" Classic

>OVERALL [after stage 4]
>
>1.  Anderson 18:58:48

This is very good, but

>2.  Alcala +10sec

VAMANOS EL RAUL!

>5.  Roche +15

This is good.

>9.  A Bishop (Motorola, US) +40

Excellent!


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: toppin@melpar.UUCP (Doug Toppin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: my recumbent experiences
Keywords: recumbent touring
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:19:23 GMT
Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division, Falls Church, VA

I have recently seen a few posting on recumbents and thought I'd
add my own experiences.
I bought a Linear recumbent (long wheel base, underseat steering, 48 inch size)
a month ago and have gone about 150 miles on it, the longest
single ride being in the Gettysburg Pa. area at 42 miles.
My observations have been:
	- the first 5 minutes after you get on one can be a little wobbly
	- very comfortable, after getting used to it
	- an occasional butt break is necessary (in my case 15 miles)
		to prevent discomfort from sitting constantly
	- some different muscles are used and initial soreness may occur
	- constant attention (is both good and bad) from passersby,
		confusion from dogs, a recent ride had 2 dogs chase
		the other 3 riders and simply stare at me
	- a fairing might be a good idea (I'm planning to try one)
		to cut down on wind resistance and fall chill
	- transportation can be difficult, particularly with an LWB
		like mine, I finally broke down and bought a small
		pickup truck which fits mine diagonally perfectly
		(with room for 2 other bikes)
	- one handed steering (while drinking) takes a little practice,
		riding with no hands is kind of fun
	- the only usage difficulty I have had was being caught
		in the rain last weekend, as I downshifted to pull into
		my driveway I freewheeled my pedals too quickly
		and one foot came off, I immediately put it down
		(the ground is closer but it is the wrong thing to do)
		and ended up skittering sideways down the wet road
		looking like a dork
	- a mirror is essential because you have to turn your head
		way around to see behind you
	- aftermarket parts like computers, water bottles, and racks
		take a little ingenuity to put on but you have more
		room to work with too
	- the forward view is markedly improved, you have a real
		panoramic view feeling
	- the Linear is very adjustable for a range of rider sizes
All in all I highly recommend a recumbent but look at as many
of the different kinds as you can before you buy one.
There are many choices each with advantages and drawbacks.
Doug Toppin
uunet!melpar!toppin
From: eugene@ksr.com (Eugene Yi-jen Pan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Stats
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:34:57 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: Gerry_Furseth@mindlink.bc.ca's message of 5 Oct 92 22:49:51 EDT

In article <16036@mindlink.bc.ca> Gerry_Furseth@mindlink.bc.ca (Gerry Furseth) writes:

> A few quick helmet stats for non-wearers:
> Too hot: Hampsten was wearing his in the final sprint at this year's World
Some people like sitting in 140 degree F saunas.  What's the point.

> Championships after seven hours at 30+ Celsius.
> Too heavy: Chiapucci wore one while winning his mountain stage in the tour.
Chiapucci plus his helmet plus his bike probably doesn't weigh as much as I do
alone.  Another stupid data point.
From: micro19@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (A Techno-Discordian)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Is there a way to post to rec.bicycles
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:03:48 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, ECE Department, Philadelphia, PA

Is there a way to post to rec.bicycles using e-mail.  Mailing to the address
ucbvax.berkeley.edu did not work.

Thanks
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22799 rec.bicycles.marketplace:471 misc.forsale:27390 misc.wanted:8685 ca.wanted:1273
From: pora@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Pora Park)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.marketplace,misc.forsale,misc.wanted,ca.wanted
Subject: Selling UNIVEGA VIVA SPORT
Date: 28 Sep 1992 16:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu




FOR SALE:


		Univega "VIVA SPORT"

		59 cm  
		10 speed 	Aqua/white

		Excellent condition
		========= =========

	Bought $425
	Will Sell $260 or b/o
                  -----------


Call Tom Branca (510) 530-1444

(Please do not respond to this account.)
Organization: Junior, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 1992 17:11:28 -0400 
From: "Christopher L. McGee" <cm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Basso for sale

Once again, I'm posting a bike for a friend.  You can respond to this
account, but it's better to call Al @ 412-731-6384 (pittsburgh).  He's a
student so don't worry about weird hours.  Leave a message if he's not
in.

58 cm Basso. 1989.  SL tubing, never crashed. yellow/white/fuschia. 
Pretty. Shimano 600 Ultegra group, 3TTT Bars and Stem, Open 4CD Rims. 
Must sell. $800.

chris
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: clipless pedal options
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:09:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Gareth Beale asks...
>
>I am seriously considering switching to clipless pedals.  The last FAQ
>I saw did not contain any discussion of this subject.  It just so
>happens that my present shoes are SPD convertible, so this would be my
>first choice.  However, do SPD's allow any lateral movement?  I'm a bit
>short on cartilage in my left knee (one reason I started biking), and
>I've read it might be better to have a cleat that allows some movement.

I just put my SPD's on my bike last night, and fiddled around with the
cleat alignment to get what I thought was optimum for me.  In the process,
I played around with the lateral float that SPD's offer.  Basically, there's
about 3/8" of float in the heel that doesn't go up against either side of
the release mechanism, plus about 1/4" of travel on either side of that
from engaging the release spring to actually releasing.  So there is some
play, but not a whole lot.

>
>Then of course there are the options like double-sided, as well as
>different manufacturers.  I like the idea of the recessed type, however.

 -swb- (Steve Bixby - sbixby@cup.portal.com)
From: lewa@Teradyne.COM (Albert Lew)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Questions about upgrading a Raleigh Technium
Date: 1 Oct 1992 15:13:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I have an old ('88) Raleigh Technium with old-style bolt-on brakes.  It also
only has one set of water bottle mounts and has (sigh) oversized tubing.  Does
anyone have any suggestions about how to convert the brak mounts to allen-bolt
type and/or recommendations about mounting a second water bottle (on the seat
tube)?

albert
From: rschetge%arrl.org (Bob Schetgen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Avocet Cyclometer
Keywords: computer problems heat
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:08:42 EDT
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles.tech, marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis) writes:
>
>I though Avocet had taken care of their quality control problems a
>while back but recent experience makes me think otherwise.  First my
>model 40 develops display problems after 16K mi.  So I took it in for
>an exchange and the first one we pull off the shelf stops working as
>soon as it clicks into the mount.  The second one seems to work and I
>left with it but it turns out to work fine only up to about 35 mph!
>Don't get me wrong, I think the Avocet design is the best (except for
>the buttons activating on _release_).  What exactly is the production
>environment at Avocet that would cause such radically poor quality
>control?


     I think there may be another cause: I use a Vetta C-20 
that worked fine until I left it on the bike, stored inside 
my station wagon on a hot day. When I took the bike out, the 
computer didn't work. I thought the most likely cause was a 
dead battery, so I replaced it--still no action. After 
considerable playing with the thing, I discovered that it  
worked if I squeezed the case (front to back). When placed 
in the bike mount, only a few of the digits worked. The foam 
grips were pressing against the mount and slightly 
distorting it, which worsened the problem with the computer. 
After I cut away some of the foam to clear the mount, 
everything works fine again.
     My conclusion: I know from working on Amateur Radios 
that small LCDs, such as those used on bike computers, are 
sometimes "connected" to the circuitry by a strip of 
flexible plastic with conductive areas. The plastic is 
merely pressed against the LCD by some foam padding. When 
the computer is subjected to excessive heat, as in a closed 
sunlit car, the case or foam can soften or distort enough to 
degrade connections to the display. In the case above, the 
problem might be distortion of the mount, so that it makes 
poor contact with the computers.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: jenny@dbrus.Unify.Com (Jennifer Zheng)
Subject: route advice sought
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:09:30 GMT

In the near future (November or later) I will be exploring the
neighborhood on 2 wheels.  I'd like to hear some advice
about good/bad routes for the following trips:  Sacramento to
Livermore and back; Sacramento to Napa Valley and back; 
Sacramento to the East Bay and back, and Sacramento to where-
I-missed (but you think is nice/must) and back.  Any less traveled,
interesting backroads you don't mind sharing?  I'm thinking
of day trips (100-130 miles roundtrip), so more direct routes
would be better.  Oh, a loop would be better than a rt.  Sure,
I can just look it up from the maps; but I figured the net wisdom
(pun intended) should be consulted too :-).

TIA!

jen
PS. If you're crazy enough to do the same (type of) trips,
I wouldn't mind a companion :-).
				Proud driver of the copper Univega; wanna ride?
     o~__        o~		B. Jennifer Zheng,	916-649-3576
     ,> <       /|>		jenny@unify.com,	1 down, 35 to go!
     O   O      < \		Ride Bike.		13 down, 9 to go!
From: dreger@perry.berkeley.edu (Doug Dreger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Pasadena Area
Date: 1 Oct 1992 23:08:14 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: brkseis11.berkeley.edu

In article <1adn4rINN9vl@gap.caltech.edu> gretchen@cco.caltech.edu (Gretchen Millendore) writes:
>Any great rides or biking clubs in the Pasadena, CA area??
>
>Beginner,
>Gretchen Mullendore
>gretchen@ugcs.caltech.edu
>

If you're a mountain biker there is a great trail that goes up the
Mt. Wilson Toll Road to Mt. Wilson over to Mt. Lowe and down the
Channey Trail Rd.  There is a book that describes rides in Socal.
I didn't have a computer but the ride is about 25 miles with nearly
5000 ft of vertical.  Oh, and the scenery is beautiful.

Doug

Newsgroups: osu.for-sale,rec.bicycles.rides
From: camilo@hadrosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (The Gecko)
Subject: Free Slot for CFC this Weekend.
Summary: Giving away Columbus Fall Challenge Entry
Keywords: CFC  Broken Collar-bone   World of Shit
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: osu
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:01:26 GMT

	Thanks to a particularly nasty spill last weekend, I broke my collar-
bone and I cannot participate in the 1992 Columbus Fall Challenge.  If you
would like to be in it, drop me some E-mail and I'll transfer my Official
Entry over to you.  CFC is this weekend Oct. 3-4, and all your food and 
lodging is already paid for (bring your own tent).  It's a difficult (I guess)
2 day ride, so expect a multitude of hills and a semi-ardous ride.

- Camilo



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.aviation.stories
From: mborgerding@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Cross Country Ride info
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:11:33 GMT
Organization: Wright State University


	Two friends and I are thinking about doing either a cross-country or CA
to Ohio (My home state) road ride next summer.  Anybody have any good info on
possible routes to take/avoid, best ways to get through the mountains, things
to take, where to camp, etc?
	If anyone reading this has done a similar ride, please recount the
experience to me.  
						Mark
PS please respond by Email
From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Alberta - Ontario
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 06:13:45 EDT
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: na
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

I am posting this for a friend who has done a lot of cycling and is
planning a trip to Edmonton Ab with his wife, my wife, and me. The only
thing is the three of us are flying back to Ontario he is planning
on bicycling back. The question is, is there anybody out there that has 
made the trip from Edmonton Ab to Toronto On.? If so could you please
leave some details of your trip.
Thanks in advance


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From: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: BIKE SWAP, DAVIS CA 10/11/92
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:20:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez002695@hamlet.ucdavis.edu


 On Sunday 10/11 the Davis Bike Club will be holding a bike swap. This is a good
 opportunity to sell used bicycle parts and accessories that you have laying aro
und or to get a good deal on used (and some new stuff as well) equipment and bic
ycles. If you have stuff to sell then show up at 8:30 a.m. and we'll help you se
t things up. The swap runs from 9:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. The location is the Veteran'
s Memorial at 203 E. 14th St. in Davis, California.

For additional information please call Ben or Steve at (916) 758-0643. Please do
 not respond to this E-mail address. See you there. 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: Re: Mt. Madonna Rd. IS NOT paved
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:25:09 GMT

ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:

>Anyone thinking about riding in the vicinity of Mt. Madonna County Park
>between Gilroy and Watsonville should be aware that, counter to what the
>AAA maps of the area claim, Mt. Madonna Rd. is not paved.  ...
>

I just rode up the west side a few days ago, and it looked like there
was a significant amount of road work going on at the top.  The east
side used to be paved all the way up to the top (and probably will be
again if it's dirt right now), but the west side has a mile or two of
dirt (ridable on a road bike, but bring lower gears than I did -- I 
used a 39x24 and felt a 28 would have been a much wiser choice, since 
I couldn't stand and maintain traction).

Also, in my experience AAA maps don't distinguish between dirt and
paved roads, nor are they always correct about what connects with
what.

				Rich
				rw@cs.stanford.edu
From: greg@saltydog.dpsi.com (Gregory R. Travis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Taking mountain biking to new heights
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:49:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: saltydog.greg.718404576
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc

In <1992Oct6.164458.22649@peck.com> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:

>OK, I cheated.  I finally decided to see if I could fit my mountain bike
>in the Cessna 150 I fly, and go fly somewhere and actually get off the
>airport property.  Getting the bike into the plane was trivial.  Take
>off the wheels, lower the saddle, and put everything in back.  The
>right seat had to stay folded down - the entire configuration eliminates
>the possibility of a passenger (will a C172 carry two passengers and two
>bikes?).

Yes.  Sophia and I regularly put our two full-sized mountain bikes
in the 172.  We put a tarp over the rear seat and recline the rear
seat's back fully.  With the wheels off the bikes (quick release wheels)
the frames will fit side-by-side and overlapping on the rear seat.  Wheels
go on top of that with bungees holding the whole thing together.  The
rear baggage door is still available for baggage.

We're absolutely limited to two people at that point and I think a crash
would be pretty nasty, but it's a great way to carry your ground
transporation with you!

I'm sure you could probably fit a fully-assembled bike into a 182
baggage compartment.  Sheesh, you could probably just ride it in
and do a few wheelies back there for fun while you're at it, right
Dan?  :-)

greg; two wheels nice, three wheels great, four wheels a way to get
to the airport!

--
Gregory Reed Travis				D  P  S  I
Data Parallel Systems Incorporated   greg@dpsi.com (For MX mailers only!)
Bloomington, IN			     greg@indiana.edu (For the others)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Subject: Re: MTB Map Rave -- Krebs Maps!
Keywords: MTB, Map, Santa Cruz Mountains
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:07:15 GMT

>|> "Krebs Cycle Products" produces the best mountain-biking maps I have
>
>I have this map and my biggest problem with it is that both roads and
>trails are in purple. I think the trails are supposed to be a "thinner"
>purple line, but it isn't all that obvious to me. The map was also fairly

I just got this map.  It's a godsend, exactly what I've been wanting for
months!  But I agree about the purple/purple -- ridiculous.  If you look
carefully, you'll find that the paved roads are actually thick lines of
faded purple, while dirt trails are thin lines of darker purple.  But
it's impossible to see this when doing a quick scan.  Sometime when I
have some free time (hah!) I'm going to go over the map and color all the
light-purple lines with a black pen so I don't confuse them with the
dark-purple lines.

The map also has a short list of ride recommendations, for which the
ratings struck me as totally wrong so I didn't find the recommendations
very useful.  On the other hand, it also has a list of interesting
tidbits about the various parks and trails, which I found quite
interesting -- I've lost count of the number of times I've ridden the
Saratoga Gap trail, but this map was the first mention I've ever seen of
the native American grinding stones at the Charcoal Rd. junction --
neither the OSP trail maps nor the signpost at the junction itself say
anything about these (where did Krebs find out?)  It makes me anxious to
go exploring some more trails, map in hand, to see what else I've missed.

Anyway, the map isn't perfect, but it's far and away the best source I've
seen so far for south bay trail information, and something that every
mountain biker should probably have.

	...Akkana			akkana@netcom.com
 
"I deny that I have ever given my opinion to anybody about anything.
		-- President George Bush."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: pzs@ficus.webo.dg.com (Peter Z. Simpson)
Subject: Re: reward for completing my first century
Date: 25 Sep 92 09:47:27
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

>>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 1992 19:56:32 GMT, SSDC2@brownvm.brown.edu said:

> my reward for completing my first century was poison ivy ("or *one* of

> itchy Janice

    Several years ago, my next door neighbor, who's an M.D. for the
local power company, gave me a bottle of something called TECNU. You
use it to remove the poison [ivy, oak, whatever] from your skin by
applying it and rubbing for three minutes, then washing it off with
warm water. *It works!* I have used it on poison ivy blisters and they
have gone away. My daughter fell off her bike into a lush patch of
poison ivy, we took her home and washed her all over with TECNU and
not a blister was to be found!

    For Janice, you can probably find it at Thayer, CVS or one of the
major drugstore chains...it comes in a white bottle with a green
label. It's made by a company in Oregon and also available by mail
order from garden supply places and (believe it or not) the Boy Scout
Supply catalog! 

    Pete

    disclaimer: no financial interest, but boy, do I like the stuff!

--
  Peter Simpson, KA1AXY       (508) 870-9837  fax: (508) 898-4212
  Data General Corp.  E236    pzs@ficus.webo.dg.com [128.221.228.82]
  Westboro, MA  01580         #include  <std_disclaimer.h>