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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The future?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 05:19:16 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wfrey@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Warren Frey) writes:

-
- Well.....if anyone can decipher that fine bit of posting, they're welcome
- to, because I sure can't. Furthermore, nobody I know from high school
- would have the low taste to hang around Dave, at least nobody who I
- consider a) human and b) worth hanging around.
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10 points Warren for insulting people in CompSc and Math and Dentistry Grad
studies for your old High School.  Shot yourself badly in the foot that time.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: More Theories About the Doctor's Age
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:14:01 GMT

Why does everyone search for explanations about the shows inconsistencies
rather than accept that the writers don't always keep track of past events
or worry about the implications of such bold statements like giving the
Doctor's exact age.

What's the saying: "Too many cooks spoil the broth."? So many writers --
so many inconsistencies. Don't expect to find explanations.

Q: Can anyone explain why the Doctor is X years old here, and Y years old here?
A: No. No one can. Next question please.

Looking forward to watching this discussion again...

Tom
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From: danaf@vccsouth20.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,alt.startrek.creative
Subject: Re: Visit to a Strange Universe Revisited (REPOST)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:47:40 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

Oooh, bd form! Quoting the Doctor as "Doctor Who" is a major no-no around
here... 8) Better .sink the .sig!

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From: will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz)
Subject: 'Who' influence in Jolly Rogers commercial
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:24:16 GMT

I was watching MST3000 today and noticed one of the
commercials had a 'Who' influence. At the beginning
of the Jolly Rogers commercial a telephone booth
magically materializes at the top of a sand dune.
At first, when I saw this, I thought I was seeing the
tardis. The commercial then progresses with the usual
"stuff".
I wonder if the person in the advertising firm that made
the commercial is a fan.

-- 
Bill
will@wixer.cactus.org

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From: melvin@alien.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:57:17 GMT


In article <R0ZNqB2w164w@kryton.UUCP>, ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes...
> 
>I agree that he is NOT Rassilon, or he would have recognized himself.
>Rassilon didn't recgonize any of the four Doctors.  

Not at first, but not too far into the sequence he says something like
'And what of You, Doctors?  Do you seek immortality too?'.  I do not recall
them actually be called that.

>recognized either Pertwee Doc, or Troughten Doc.  He didn't even
>recognize Troughten Doc as a Time Lord right away.  So, I don't see

Yes, but they would have been 'future' manifestations of the Doctor.  While at
times we see one time lord instantly (or almsot) recognize another, there are
also notable times when that does NOT happen.  Doctor #1, on entering the 
TARDIS in the Death zone, does not recognize Doctor #5 until he is told about 
him(self).  Of course, the two had never met but still #5 was not even 
recognized as a Time Lord.

-Joe
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: tom's holmes on a&e
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:10:00 EST

All viewers of A&E:

 A&E once again showed Tom Baker's Sherlock Holmes of "The Hound of the
Baskervilles" this afternoon (Friday, 11 Sept.).
 I wish I had known it was to be on. I happened upon it 10 minutes in. I
would have recorded it with forewarning.

 Keep an eye on A&E. More than likely it will be repeated again this
month. Especially, since A&E is showing _alot_ of Sherlock Holmes stuff
this month (ie: Jeremy Brett's and Nigal Rathbone's S.H.).
 This isn't the best "HotB" I've seen. But, interesting in itself due to
all the Doctor Who connections: produced by Barry Letts, script edited
by Terrance Dicks and features Caroline John (Liz Shaw) in  a minor
role.

 If anyone knows when this will be (if) repeated again, please post the
info!

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Delicacies that the 4th Doctor made popular and status concerning Cl
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:57:52 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Well apart from making jelly babies famous, Tom Baker did make mention of
Ginger Beer and Ginger Pop.  I too am a fan of Ginger Beer and Ginger Pop.

Best recommended list:

Sainsbury, St. Michael's from Marks and Spencer, local brew.

The one to stay away from is Schweppes.  Awfuyl and dreadful, so bad that my
grandmother could do better, no joke.

As for jelly babies, anything goes in Britain.  Had a lot of those when in the
UK in May-June.


Concerning Club's Listings: After SO much bureaucracy, I will try my best to
get the listing's back up by the end of this week, and that's an optimistic
scenario.

Dave Yadallee - 20 years of North America

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Treaty of Maastricht, synonymous with the Key to Armageddon.
From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Face of Evil  (was Re: Immortal Companions)
Date: 13 Sep 92 08:52:00 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

> 
> Of course Terrance didn't write "The Face of Evil" (script).
> The place where the Mordee adventure is supposed to fit in in "Robot" is  
> evidently the point where the Dr runs into the TARDIS and starts to  
> dematerialize, but rematerializes immediately and comes out again because  
> Sarah is shouting at him. The suggestion is that he actually went on a  
> long trip during that interval. I don't buy it. The TARDIS wasn't working  
> well enough to come back that precisely and the Dr certainly seemed to be  
> reacting to Sarah's shouts, not returning from a voyage.

Personally, I don't buy your argument in relation to this.   In Robot, the
Tardis dematerialises, though not fully.  this doesn't necessarily mena the
Doctor didn't leave.  I would argue he did leave, and landed on Leela's
planet, in her past. In the Face of Evil, Xoanon is clearly a manifestation
 of the Doctor's disturbed mind after his traumatic regeneration.  Thus,
 Xoanon is a traumatised creation wrought by the Doctor's hand.  You also say
 that the Tardis wasn't working precisely enough for him to return to
 exactly where he took off from (ie the lab).  This is wrong in two regards. 
      Firstly, the Doctor may have spent some time repairing
the Xoanon, and returned some time later for him, but instantly for Sarah. 
What I'm trying to say is that the Doctor may have been away fixxing the 
computer, which would have given him time to work out the exact 
co-ordinates of the laboratory at UNIT headquarters for him to return.
 Of course you could argue against this by saying that the Doctor was still
suffering from post regeneration problems when he returned, indicating that he
had spent very little time away. 
    Anyway, my second point is about the Tardis's reliability, which you raise.
  I think the Doctor by his fourth incarnation had very good control
 over the Tardis.  Look at The Pyramids of Mars.  To illustrate to
 Sarah Jane what the Earth would be like in her time, 1980, if they let 
Sutekh alone, he travelled to an alternatefuture, showing a devastated planet,
 then returned to the exact space and time co-ordinates (1911, the Priory)
 afterwards.  Some would argue that the Doctor was simply tricking Sarah Jane 
into agreeing with his argument to stay and fight Sutekh, but I think 
not.  Somehow, I think I've left the main point of the argument, but I'm sure
 you'll find my main argument somewhere inside.
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Missing episodes (yet again)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:47:03 GMT

In article <2655.9209150502@subnode.susssys1.rdg.ac.uk> ssushipn@SUSSSYS1.RDG.AC.UK writes:
>
>Does anybody know which episodes were returned to the BBC, having been wiped
>in the purge.  (e.g  Ice Warriors, Masterplan) etc.?  Any help would be
>appreciated.
>
>Richard `A' Shipton


Here's the catalog of the missing episodes:

from SEASON ONE
Marco Polo  all seven
The Reign of Terror  eps. 4,5

from SEASON TWO
The Crusade  eps. 1,2,4

from SEASON THREE
Galaxy Four all four
Mission to the Unknown all one
The Myth Makers all four
The Daleks' Masterplan eps. 1-4,6-9,11,12
The Massacre of St Bartholemew's Eve all four
The Celestial Toymaker eps. 1-3
The Savages all four (rumors say it may recently have turned up)

fromSEASON FOUR
The Smugglers all four
The Tenth Planet eps. 4
The Power of the DAleks all six
The Highlanders all four
The Underwater Menace eps. 1,2,4
The Moonbase eps. 1,3
The Macra Terror all four
The Faceless Ones eps. 2,4-6
The Evil of the Daleks eps. 1,3-7

from SEASON FIVE
The Abominable Snowmen eps. 1,3-6
The Ice Warriors eps. 2,3
The Enemy of the World eps. 1,2,4-6
The Web of Fear eps. 2-6
Fury from the Deep all six
The Wheel in Space eps. 1,2,4,5
	*yes, The Tomb of the Cybermen has been found, out on video next month*

from SEASON SIX
The Invasion eps. 1,4
The Space Pirates eps. 1,3-6

from SEASON SEVEN
Doctor Who and the Silurians eps. 1-7 black and white only, being recolorized
The Ambassadors of Death eps.2-7 black and white only, being recolorized

from SEASON EIGHT
Terror of the Autons eps. 1-4 black and white only, being recolorized
The Mind of Evil eps. 1-6 black and white only
The Daemons ,  all episodes restored to full color
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: What's the difference (was Re: Video info...)
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:02:18 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep6.032751.12108@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) wrote:
>>The Five Doctors (90 mins, movie format, minor edits)
>
>So what's the different between a one-episode episode format and a one-episode
>movie format (minor edits aside)?
>
>Tom


This was to distinguish from the four part version which was created by
the BBC for its own repeat purposes in 1984.
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:40:14 GMT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:

> In <torresce.715548951@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.
> 
> 
> > 
> > When:  I have followed previous threads and believe the Doctor either was 
> > Rassilon or was involved with him alot (or possibly Rassilon set it up so o
> > person could do the things that the doctor does). This is where the doctor 
> > obtained his 'time protection'.
> 
> >Your theory as a whole is rather interesting, and demands furhter looking
> into.  However, I've a problem with the above comment about Rassilon.  I
> personally don't believe the Doctor to be Rassilon.  It just doesn't seem
> to fit.  Why would Rassilon seek to escpe the Time Lords, then submit to
> a forced regeneration and then exile to Earth, then another trial, then
> meet his final incarantion in his tomb without recognising himself, then
> another trial.  Also, the Doctor being involved with Rassilon att some
> pruior date doesnt wash for me given that in The Five Doctors, when all bar
> one of the Doctors met Rassilon's spirit, Rassilon didn't recognise the Docto
> especially the first incarnation, and given the fact that time Lords seem
> to be able to recognise each other without speaking.  All right, people
> will point to stories like Silver Nemesis and Remembrance of the Daleks
> as some sort of indicator that the Doctor met or worked with Rassilon
> at some prior time, but whenever he's directly confronted, the Doctor
> tends to hedge or deflect.  But anyway, this is all my opinion, and I'm
> looking forward to all the flak that's coming my way. Cheers, 

I agree that he is NOT Rassilon, or he would have recognized himself.
Rassilon didn't recgonize any of the four Doctors.  Omega didn't
recognized either Pertwee Doc, or Troughten Doc.  He didn't even
recognize Troughten Doc as a Time Lord right away.  So, I don't see
how it is possible that he could have been there in the beginning working
with these guys.  So it is very puzzling his comment in Remembrance.."Oh,
and did we have trouble with they prototype".  Ace: "We?"  Doctor: "Oh,
they".  So unless someone throws something else in to clear up the
inconsistancies, I don't see that it is possible.  Well maybe it could
be explained that Omega was pretty nuts and Rassilon was just on this
side of dead that they didn't recognize their partner.  Hmmmm....we'll
it's possible....right???  :)  (I know the arguments aren't too convincing...
just sorta mindless rambling late at night....I need a life!)


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Catherine Beckstead                    ace@kryton.uucp
"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Surveys
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:56:25 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

Once again we are bothered by SURVEYS/POLLS. Take your surveys via e-mail
and post the summary only. We don't want to see a bunch of lists of story
titles! If you don't want to go to the trouble to do the survey via e-mail,
then you didn't really want to know in the first place.

torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) wrote:
>Since we seem to be doing surveys here...how about one survey of the top
       ^^ who?
>5 episodes you most liked overall of the entire series, and the top episode
>you liked from each doctor.
>Here's mine:

My favorite episodes are episode #1 and the last episode!

We bash this out every semester. If you want to discuss the stories. Fine!
Great! I'd be glad to read them. If you are going to post a bunch of story
titles, DON'T. Someone posts an episode guide already. If you want to take
a poll. Fine! Great! Those who want to participate can e-mail you the
OPINIONS. If you want to post a summary every week until the results are
final (NOT!), that's good too.

Who wants to see several thousand posts with story titles in them. If everyone
participated, that's what would happen.

Tom
From: barry@jab.tucson.az.us (Barry Mishkind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Serial Codes: 7O or 7Q?
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:21:02 GMT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

> I can try.  Ghost Light is serial Q as in quotation, the last story
> recorded to date.
> 


Does that mean the order of the last season is Survival, Curse of Fenric, 
Battlefield and Ghost LIght?

Thanks.

==================================================================
Barry Mishkind
barry@jab.tucson.az.us
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From: NG.LAY@forsythe.stanford.edu (Laurie Yadon)
Subject: U.S. source found for SHADA w/script!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:31:13 GMT

It has been posted here that CBS/Fox won't include, with the SHADA
tapes they release for sale in the U.S., the SHADA script book
which is included with copies of the video sold in the U.K.  That's
apparently quite true; however, yesterday I spoke with the folks
at S&J Productions (aka Science Fiction Continuum) in New Jersey,
and was told that they've just negotiated a deal to purchase the
script books separately!

As soon as CBS/Fox releases the SHADA video (scheduled for early
October), S&J Productions will begin selling the following SHADA
materials for the prices listed, which don't include postage:

     Video (only):    $19.99
     Script (only):   $10.99
     Video w/script:  $28.99

At the same time they'll begin selling TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN,
THE PERTWEE YEARS, and CAVES OF ANDROZANI.

They now also have in stock the BBC Film Club videos, SUMMONED
BY SHADOWS (starring Colin, Nicola, and Michael Wisher) and
MORE THAN A MESSIAH (starring Colin, Nicola, and Sophie) for
$19.99 each (again, not including postage).  They're also
offering a package deal:  SUMMONED and MESSIAH together for $34.99,
plus postage!

Call them at (800) 232-6002 (or write to S&J Productions, Inc.,
P.O. Box 154, Colonia, NJ 07067) for more information and/or to
place an order.  FYI, they mentioned that their postage rates are:
$4 for one tape, $6 for two tapes, plus approx. $1.50 for each
additional tape.  Also, they said that in a couple of weeks their
new 64-page catalog of books and videos (Doctor Who, B7, Black Adder
and much more) will be ready for mailing.

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not affiliated with S&J Productions in any way
other than as a potential customer.  I just thought some of you
might be interested in this info.

Laurie Yadon
Coordinator/Editor, The Baker Connection
Colin Baker's American fan club since 1987
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Continuity Catalog, feel free to add to it!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.214636.17043@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next02epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.021441.28322@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
>> 	Possible.  Certainly possible.  Doesn't really matter much since
>> it doesnot't conflict in the first place.
>It sort of conflicts because the Greek Atlantis was really blown sky high,  
>rather than sunk.

It was?  When?

>> 	(I just saw this recently too to reverify this.)

>What I meant was that the second key was specifically "of Rassilon"  
>whereas I think the first one wasn't (I'm not sure of that though)

ight.  The keys:
	The Great Key, the ebonite rod in "The Deadly Assassin"
	The Rod of Rasssilon, the same rod in "the Invasion of Time"
	The Great Key, the small power source of the Demat gun in "TIOT"
	The Key of Rassilon, the much-copied entry device into the Matrix
		seen in The Trial of A Time Lord parts 13 aqnd 14
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dalek Voice in `The Space Museum'
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:10:23 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep12.223702.14666@beaver.cs.washington.edu> greg@cs.washington.edu (Greg Barnes) writes:
>While watching the movie version of 'The Space Museum' (a Hartnell
>episode), I noticed they gave a credit for 'Dalek Voice', even though no
>Daleks spoke in the episode (as far as I remember).  What voice are they
>referring to?  My guess is that in the original airing, the teaser for the
>next story, 'The Chase', consisting of some Dalek making nasty threats,
>showed up at the end of the final episode.
>

Yes, your guess is correct.  Someone didn't tell the credit-maker though,
and that same person also didn't give Peter Purves a credit for Steven
Taylor, only Morton Dill, and also forgot to mention The Beatles.


>Btw, I love those bogus American accents:  the John Wayne in 'Tomb of the
>Cybermen', and the hilarious Brooklyn-Italian (I guess) accent of the tour
>guide in 'The Chase'.
>
>				Greg Barnes
>				greg@cs.washington.edu

I
Even funnier are "The Gunfighters," and utterly hilarious is the
description of Major Warne's accent in "The Space Pirates," episode
2 of which is available on "The Troughton Years."  One of those episodes
where it's so bad you're rolling on the floor....
From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: More Theories About the Doctor's Age
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:43:27 GMT
Organization: ORGANIZATION!! HERE? You must be kidding!

In article <1992Sep7.040300.10233@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.142152.22838@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>>> P.S. I just thought of others: Romana's regeneration - why can she select
>>> her new body yet the Doctor can't and was the White Guardian the real WG in
>>> The Ribos Operation.

Let's not complain, I like her choice.
From: ccaajmf@ucl.ac.uk (John Franks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Peri
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:00:31 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

In article David Steinberg writes:
>For all of those Peri haters (which includes myself), think about
>this.  You agree to travel across time and space with Peter Davidson,
>who- after you've known him for about a week (?) suddenly becomes
>Colin Baker.  I don't know how I'd deal with that change either.
>-ZZYZX

Dead right. Doc#6 could make anybody whine. Anybody except . . .

>P.S. However, there is NO excuse for Mel!

Which, I think, is the BBC's best defence.

John Franks             I will arise and go now, for always night and day
ccaajmf@ucl.ac.uk       I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore; 
& jmf14@phx.cam.ac.uk   While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey,
   from Cambridge only  I hear it in the deep heart's core.
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From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Subject: Re: Hello and some Questions..
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:56:58 GMT

quiz@nemesis.UUCP writes:(actually, quotes someone else, who's post
  I don't have, sorry)

><>
>[0]Q1. I have noticed that many of the Dalek episode titles have 
>[0]    something to do with religion, eg. 'Genisis of the Daleks'
>[0]and 'Ressurection of the Daleks' I was wondering if anyone could
>[0]tell me if there is a reson for this, and how many of the titles
>[0]are this way?

It seems to me that the ones with religious titles (the above, plus
Revelation otD, etc.) are the ones that have Davros in them.  This
could be intentional, since Davros is their "creator".  I don't
know if they do this consistently, though.

My 1/50 (insert currency) worth...
                                    Neal Smith
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