HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Daniel Weber)
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Group
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:22:58 GMT

I wear a full face.  I'm ugly enough as is, I don't need any help from
the pavement if I go down.
--
Daniel Weber					    dweber@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.                 			    ...!uiucuxc!udc!dweber
1101 E. University Ave, Urbana, IL 61801            +1 217 384 8500

	  << Vive Cremare >>     DOD #00033     << Crema Vivere >>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen)
Subject: Re: Yamaha GTS/FJR 1000 is real
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:05:48 GMT
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland

MOTORRAD ( German bike mag) has ridden it. They deemed it to be very
nice. But God it's porky ! 271 kg dry weight is a bit much for a bike
with an aluminum frame. The mag said that Yamaha 'overdesigned'
everything so that it wouldn't break under any circumstances. The
price they quoted in Germany was 25 000 DEM.
Why are these new standards so damn heavy anyway ? GSX 1100 G 270 kg, Zephyr
1100 about 260. Only Honda has used some sense. CB 1000 weighs 236 kg.
If it has an unrestricted engine, it should really be something to
look forward to !
From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:59:40 GMT
	<daved.718300793@convex.convex.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,
daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
> Yeah right, You can say what you want, but there is no way in the world
> that you can put that much engine on a bike and not have a fairley high
> level of performance. I am not familier with HD's but I can't believe 
> that a 1200+ cc engine on a 600+ pound bike is a good choice for a first
> bike. 

You're exactly right.  You're unfamiler with HD's.  An FZR400 puts out
about the same power as a big twin, at about 2/3 the weight (along
with quick steering, great brakes, full body work, etc).  Are you
going to tell me that because the FZR400 is a 400 that its a better
bike for starting out on than an HD?  Get real.

cu. inches != power (especially when talking about stock bikes).

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: ravi@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan - Mick)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: calling mature riders
Date: 30 Sep 1992 15:26:04 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In a previous article, noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) said:
:- >> 	NM (Next Motorcycle) countdown: $3000 left to go :-(
:- 
:- >	how come that figure hasnt gone down? or has it?
:- >	- ravi
:- 
:- heh heh -- dummy!  :-)  the key thing that changed about that
:- figure is the units.  notice it is no longer 3,000 miles
:- that stands between NB & NM, but 3,000 DOLLARS!!!
:- 

	looks to me like the NM has been set back :( ! 3000 miles is
	what, a month's riding? NM in a month ;) ;) lots of smilies ;)
	3000 dollars? would the prices still be the same ten years from
	now?

	don't mean to depress you... just some thoughts ;)

	- ravi


-- 
'''---```---^^^^^^-----#-----~~~~~----'''------~~~~-----````~~~---------$$-----
sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one : Ravi Narayan - ravi@cs.wpi.edu
          end and flames at the other. (C).  :       Suzuki GS500E
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Newsgroups: rec.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: delisle@eskimo.celestial.com (Ben Delisle)
Subject: RFD: talk.politics.medicine
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:25:04 GMT


From: jbn@photon.photon.com
> I like the idea, but may I suggest that because of the medical
> industry's antagonism towards drivers, that you also post the RFD
> in rec.autos.driving and rec.motorcycles.


	Ok here you go...




This is a request for discussion for the creation of one new 
news group:
 
     Proposed Title:  talk.politics.medicine  

Charter:
       talk.politics.medicine, unmoderated.
A newsgroup to discuss politics and ethics in medicine and related
sciences and fields. Topics may include discussions on whether:
medical care should be socialized; insurance be paid for by the
individual, the company, or the state; or if it is even mandatory.
They may also include discussions on ethics of cross-species transplants;
if fetal material should be used or not; government intervention  
into the health care choices of people (such as permitting (or not)
alternative medicine to coexist with mainstream medicine, nutritional
medicine, or preventive medicine); parental or individual (non)consent to
mandatory immunization or treatment that may violate ethical or religious
beliefs; euthanasia for terminal, vegetative, or severely crippled people,
be it voluntary or non voluntary; and the right to help or refuse care to
patients based on ability to pay, ability to help or care for them, or
based on any disease they may be carrying; or any other related topics.
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Glove recommendations
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:17:48 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct4.140812.21615@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
>In article <BvKrtB.L3L@world.std.com>, kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Sep24.175505.14715@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu 
>|> (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>|> >I'm looking for recommendations for something in between summer and brrrr.
>
>I got along in Massachusetts with a pair of flease-lined
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
How do you keep them in the gloves, and not running on up your arms?
I bet flea powder would cure this.

>leather mittens. Very warm, and wind was never a problem.
>
>Curt  DoD#663

Besides, a real DoD doesn't have cold hands!

Charlie Smith   csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Fwd: New BMW 1938 R71 for 7,500.00
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:25:14 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


<much interesting history deleted>

>Engine displacement 746 cc
>Compression 5.7:1
            ^^^^^
>Side Valve
>Power 22 hp @4600 rpm
>\Max Speed 68 mph solo/53 mph with sidecar
>Economic speed 40 mph gts 30 mpg
>Kick starter
GACK!  5.7:1 compression?!  Is that so that the damn thing can run on cut-rate
vodka or rice wine or whatever?


peace,
--dale
Dale James, DoD #0229

`This is Pennsylvania.  Love it or....oh, hell.  Wait for me!'
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:13:56 GMT

>ST1100's remind me of Pacific Coasts,

Remind me to mention the "RC-34" Pathetic Coast that was seen cruising
around Steamboat at the races a couple of weeks ago. It's a damn shame
they didn't race it. Anyone for a GoldWing racing class? :-)

>FJ's are fine if you put sport before touring,

Funny, some would say you've got that backwards. :-)

>Gary Moore's new album is *all-right!*,

Ah! Thanks for the tip, I'll have to pick it up. "A Little Light Music"
from Jethro Tull is well worth a listen too.

>the Mac interface is infinitely more refined 
>than Windows and NT will be like every other Microsoft product (oops 
>cross-geek-group syndrome strikes......)

Naw, you're all wrong, get an Amiga.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:33934 ba.motorcycles:423
From: tedcrum@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD weenies
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:51:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


I think that you DoD's are mistaken in assuming that you constitute the only 
audience for this group. I don't know the history of this group, but since
it is established as ba, I assumed that as a bay area motorcyclist I would be
among friends
in this group. If I  was mislead, it is because the group is wrongly
named. Perhaps alt.mc.dod .

When I first got news up on my computer, I was thrilled to find this group,
and I hoped to find in it the kind of comeraderie (sp) that motorcyclists
have shared for longer than the 25 years I have been riding. 

I encourage riders from all over the bay area to ignore the flames and the
acronyms and participate in this group.

-Ted Crum
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:26:36 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>	OK.  Do _all_ DoDers wear full-face helmets?
>	All the ones I've seen do.

I do, unless I don't...

I wear a full-face ~80% of the time, an open face ~15% of the time,
and a receding hairline ~5% of the time.

MD's new helmet law goes into effect on Thursday.  Between then and
now, it'll be receding hairline 100% of the time.  Damn politicians!

jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>Yes.  All Doders wear full-face helmets.  There are no
>exceptions to this rule.  The DoD gubment mandates it.

DoD gubment?!?  DoD don't NEED no steenkin' gubment!!!

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
                        you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Vultures landing on Ed? (was Re: Crosswinds)
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:42:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep30.053114.7091@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

] Hah! A chance to tie this into that other circular topic (besides beer),
] Lance Holst. If I recall correctly, The Jerk (tm) ruined a perfectly
] good helmet on a vulture last year. Either the bird mistook him for a
] corpse, or it didn't care for his writing style. It was a noble attempt,
] but the the score was Holst 1, Bird 0.

Wasn't it Ienatsch (sp?)
From: jesse@eye.com (Jesse Lackey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:13:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

Well I just got an old escort detector and I want to put it on my bike.  But
where and how?  Unfortunately, I think this is their first model so it is large
and encased in metal so it is too big and heavy to go above the turn signal/
brake light/neutral indicators.  I have been thinking of mounting it somehow
to the frame in front of the engine, above the front wheel.  But I worry about
vibration - talk about a torture test for a pc board!  And what about rain?

So I know some of you out there must have detectors on your bikes.  And I'd
sure like to hear how you did it....

	jesse
-- 
Jesse Lackey; internet: jesse@eye.com   Please Note:  I DON'T speak for 3D/Eye!
3D/EYE, Inc., 2359 N. Triphammer Rd., Ithaca, NY  14850   voice: (607) 257-1381
   "She moved so easily  all I could think of was sun-light"   - Paul Simon
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:14:59 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

John S. Morris (jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep30.103605.17104@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
: >oiu.  A BMW Series 3 and boy is it crap!  I don't know what to go for next, I
: 
: Exsqueeze me. Say more. After a Series II and a couple of Shoei's - I love 
: my System III and have for the last (almost) two years.  What's yer complaint?
: 
: -John
: ============================================================================
:                             John S. Morris  #0316
:   Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
:     Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
:                            Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 


The fasteners that fasten the hinged jaw piece to the shell move back and the 
jaw part refuses to fasten properly, the velcros part of the chin-strap fell 
off, the elastic that holds the neck gasket (thingy) became unstuck, the visor
closes at 80 MPH, the ventilation system is rubbish (makes no difference) I 
have had to replace the ratchet mechanisms twice, the visor was ripped off by 
the wind last week and the BMW badge fell off after the second month.

I paid fl600 for mine and I consider the quality a little low for so much 
money.  Then again, I'm pretty mean sometimes.


Nick (the Tight Bastard Biker)   MAG 73516  DoD 1069  Concise Oxford

M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:39:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

  1.0 miles on the way to work, 1.2 on the way home.  I ran out of gas
once and had to push the bike home.  It was terrible.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13:26:50 GMT

In article <24SEP199209563828@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> rbutton@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Rob Button) writes:
>The holes in brake rotors are for cooling...nothing else.  All brakes have
>a delay when wet...just learn to expect it.


No. Vented rotors, that is rotors that have a bunch of blades sandwiched
between the two plated that the pads rub against, are for cooling. The holes
in ordinary, non-vented rotors are for extra grab and do help do give water
a place to go. I read this in some rag and they specifically mentioned that
the holes are not for cooling.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hogan@heron.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher hogan)
Subject: Re: snapped off bolt
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.165341.6011@znext.uucp> erika@znext.uucp (erik astrup) writes:
>spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:
>: 
>: In the process of removing it, I have snapped off one of the studs for bolting
>: the headers to the engine. What is the standard procedure for removing such an
>: animal without major destruction?????????????
>: 
>
>	Buy a six pack of beer, drink them all, then get your .38 and
>shoot yourself. 
>
This happened when replacing the header on my GS850. I fixed it by drilling a smaller
hole in the bolt and tapping it to fit a smaller diameter bolt.  Cost me 1.98 for the
tap, and .08 for the bolt, and it's worked, no problem, for 2 years. Do this before
drinking the six pack.


Chris Hogan
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: old Kawasaki ads
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:37:26 GMT
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <BvGGFD.AL7@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
|Has anyone assembled a list of all the events that were listed in the old
|"Let the Good Times Role" Kawasaki ads?   I've been digging through all my 
[...]
|and thought it would be nice to have a list of places, times and events from
|these ads.  I remember Steamboat, TWO here in Georgia, Top Dog Cafe, and
|Alice's Restaurant.  My rusty memory seems to remember the ads running from 
|'90 till '92.

  Well, I'll add one to your list, in case no already-compiled list is handy:

July 14, 1990, Old Spanish Trail Restaurant, Bandera, Texas.

  Since we were there...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: *not* Enough with the FAQ! THANKS!
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:50:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Sep30.175017.14287
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Biochemistry

In article <RTARAZ.92Sep30111717@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

>I have been reading this group for about two months and have not seen 
>the FAQ!
>Well, I need one DODer to mail it to me!
              ^^^^^^^^^

what an opportunity!  unless dave williams wants it, i not only will send the
requested copy, but

         i hereby nominate myself EotFAQ (emailer of the faq)!

i'm uniquely qualified: i read *all* the articles in the newsgroup daily (even
jim small's); i know how to find the faq; as a grad student, i *never* take a
vacation; i can spell "poseur" and "spooge"; i don't have a weenie dod#; i
wear the Holy Aerostitch (tm).

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         EotFAQ (in training)             |
|                                                                          |
|   you act like a dick.  jokes are fine, but you have to make some sort   |
|     of motorcycle-related contribution in order to get away with it.     |
|                     -- (DoD# withheld), referring to me                  |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:41:54 GMT

In article <92273.112423HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>, HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
|> I have just moved.....and my commute has gone from a 15 minute
|> 7 mile trip to >45min god-knows-how-far trip.
|> 
|> How far is too far?  I have a cage...but it looks so pretty
|> sitting in the garage.  :-)
|> 
|> How far does the average Denizen commute?
|> 
|> Steve Hahn
|> VF700F Pilot

Well, I'm not average, but I'll answer anyway. My current commute is 30 miles,
which tends to be about 45 minutes (toll booths & traffic). Sadly on this
strech there are no occasions for fun wrong turns. My previous commute
varied between 10 & 100 miles depending on how nice the weather was :-)

--
Stef            aka  spgo@is.morgan.com   DoD#0190 
'82 KZ550 (Commuter) '84 750 Interceptor (Toy) '86 Alfa GTV6 (Money drain)
                Warning: I brake for radar traps. 
        Disclaimer? I don't need no steenkin' disclaimer!
From: krafft@fnalo.fnal.gov (N07732_KRAFFT, KEITH G.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Faulty chain adjustment
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:51:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: fnalo.29SEP92105121
Reply-To: krafft@fnalo.fnal.gov
Distribution: world
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

When I bought my current Enduro, the dealer assured me they went over
the bike thoroughly and it was ready to roll. I drove it home in the
pickup because it was pouring rain, the dealer was 88 miles from
home, and my wife was along begging me not to ride it home. The next
day I rode it to work (20 miles highway, 7 miles city traffic).
Everything seemed fine. At lunch that day me and a buddy went to do
some offroading. I was making a tight turn in some pretty bumpy dirt,
going pretty slow this being the first time in the dirt with this
bike, and the bike lost rear wheel drive. Expecting the drive and
not having any was a strange feeling and the bike went over. It
turned out the chain had come off the rear sprocket. Both chain
adjusters were rock tight, except the right one was at zero, and
the left one was one notch below four. The bike had to have left
the dealer this way because both adjusters were tight. We then
got out the tool kit, adjusted the chain correctly, and everything
has been fine since. 

What I'm asking is, has anyone's chain busted or fallen off at
highway speeds?

I can only imagine what would have happened if
the chain came off at 70mph. I basically rode into work that
morning doing 70 with a cocked rear axle. I figure the chain came
off easier in the dirt because the rear wheel was bouncing around.

As an end note: Always go over the bike yourself if someone else
messed with it, even when new. That was my mistake.

Keith Krafft Krafft@fnal.fnal.gov | "I love her, I need her, I seed her.
DoD# 720                '90 XT600 | Yeah she turns me on. Alright, hold
(wife gave in 9/28/92 to a ZX-11R | tight. I'm a highway star.
 fall '93/spring '94)             | DEEP PURPLE (Machine Head)
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I won? (NOT!)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:02:15 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <viking.718343559@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>	Get witnesses to verify your story.  It's entirely possible that
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	This is NYC. Nobody saw nuthin'!

>Amazing what you do when a national background check is about to be
>done on you, isn't it?  Until now, I didn't even care.

	What prompts the background check? Should I wonder about some tickets
I never told my insurance company about?

-------
Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:58:40 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <92273.112423HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET writes:
>I have just moved.....and my commute has gone from a 15 minute
>7 mile trip to >45min god-knows-how-far trip.
>
>How far is too far?  I have a cage...but it looks so pretty
>sitting in the garage.  :-)
>
>How far does the average Denizen commute?

"average denizen" is sortta like saying "warp point oh one."  they 
don't really come in that size.

i commute 82.9 miles a day.  from sf to mountainview.  takes 50
minutes if traffic is light and an hour if mr. red white and blue
"gawldang i'll slow down these idjuts, get over here in the fast lane
and go 55" has gotten on the road sooner than i have.  but i won't
complain.  it is a beautiful and serene ride down 280, even if it is
four lanes wide, although you have to leave by 7am to escape the
morning traffic.  sometimes i carpool in the spagthorpe poodle and
sometimes i ride the gs.  i tell my car insurance that i ride my bike
to work and i tell my bike insurance that i drive my car to work. true
on both counts. 
 
-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023