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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:01:22 GMT

honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:
: >:
: >: But think about it for a second...  if you swallow even a little juice
: >: from chewing tobacco, you are not going to be a happy camper.  Even if
: >: you smoke a couple of cigarettes in a row fairly quickly you'll get
: >: nausea (unless you've been chain smoking for 15 years...).  It's sort
: >: of your body's way of saying "I hate this shit!"
: >
: >It would appear that you have never used tobacco - or really observed
: >people who do.
: >
: >I know a couple of smokers who smoke two or three cigarettes - as fast
: >as they can inhale, when they take a smoke break. One of them has been
: >smoking for less than a year. No nausea or dizziness - it is surprising
: >how fast the body can adapt to poisons.
: >
: >The people who chew absorb quite a bit of the nicotine through the gums.
: >I doubt if there is much nicotine that gets spit out. The one person I
: >know who uses chewing tobacco says that he swallows some of the juice on
: >occasion. He says it is no problem. It is a problem if he has a cud in
: >his mouth and swallows that.
: >
: >Bill
: >
: 
: Agreed Bill that experienced users of pharmaceuticals can self-titrate
: to their own satisfaction.  Every smoker who says, "I'm fine" attests
: to that.  Or drinker.  But eating a couple of cigs is not a smart
: thing to do.  Its less dangerous than inhaling some plutonium oxide,
: but much more viscerally dangerous than getting carried away with
: cannabis, acid, or even the highly seductive drugs like speed and coke.

I agree 100%. However, re-read the claim to which I was responding. It
said that if a person swallowed "even a little" - as well as made claims
about smoking cigarettes in rapid succession.

My point was that the poster did not know what he was talking about.

Hm, I am not sure that speed or coke are more seductive than nicotine.
I certainly know a number of people who love to smoke, but would not
even consider using one of the illegal drugs, even though they generally
are less harmful than nicotine.

Bill
From: honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: personal problems
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:50:08 GMT

 amywoman@camelot.bradley.edu (Amy Harris) writes:
>to anonymous:
>
>>     At this point, I don't know what I can do further.  It not something
>>that is going to cause us to split up, but it is somewhat a major obstacle,
>>as I find it difficult to be together with someone who does not accept
>>what I consider an important thing in my life.  I welcome any suggestions.
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>This reminds me of a time before I went to college, and, truthfully, I
>was somewhat homophobic.  Not a lot, but I didn't feel comfortable with
>it and I didn't like seeing two people of the same sex exhibiting PDA
>behavior.  I thought it was kind of gross.
>
>Then I came to college.  I heard all the arguments that gays were no
>sicker than straights and that there is no reason to shun them, etc.
>However, those arguments didn't really sink in until I found out that
>I knew people who were gay and bisexual.  I had known them and liked
>them before I knew their orientations, and of course they were the same
>people after they told me.  In other words, I didn't see through
>the myths until they were concretely dismantled in front of my face
>in the form of actual people.
>
>As far as the girlfriend problem goes, I think that the best argument
>against her fear and misunderstanding is *you*.  Once she sees that
>drugs are not frying your brain, you are not going crazy or committing
>suicide, and you are not becoming immersed in violent crime, she may
>understand the reality behind the myths.
>
>In order to convince her, however, you probably shouldn't push her.
>The more she is pushed, the more stubborn she will become.  People
>don't like to be told they are wrong, even if they are told gently.
>The power of suggestion is just that: powerful.  And your actions
>will speak louder than all the facts you can present.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>AmyWOMAN


Definately don't push the issue.  Simply continue to act responsibly.  Every
now and then joke, as you celebrate your raise or promotion or grades or
otherwise celebrate success, "not bad for a pot-head, eh?"

You could also keep informative books, posts, etc. around, both to impress
her that you've looked into it, and for her to check out.

Of course, all this applies only to drugs that you consume responsibly.


Amy's right that the best way to teach is by example.



--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
From: honig@ruffles.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: HOW DOES ONE TRIP ON SUBSEQUENT DAYS ??
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:05:16 GMT

 cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello) writes:
>
>I've heard that it is and is not possible to trip the day after a trip.
>
>What is the method (dosage) required for this and what are the specifics?

A cleanly stated and intelligent question.

As "Ringo" states in a later post, it is indeed possible though more
"difficult".  The deal is that with indole hallucinogens (thats acid,
shrooms, and DMT genre agents), you develop an otherwise unnoticable
tolerance very quickly.   Tolerance, not addiction.  Ie, you are
*much* less sensitive to shrooms the day after acid, and vice versa
(this modification of response to one in reponse to another is called
"cross-tolerance" by the pharmacologically  hip).  But no bleeding
gums, convulsions, irritability, etc., typical of addiction, eg, to caffeine, nicotine, or ethanol (can be fatal with the latter one).

Anyway: to trip the next day, you'll have to take several times more
than you did the first day.  If you don't sleep it will be less, but
still more than you would have to ingest from "baseline".  I've known
people, ahem, to take it the next morning to keep some of the awe
going.

The tolerance fades within a half week.

This is all hidden away in books somewhere, but then, what's the Net
for?

Cheers,




--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Children Slaughtered in Massive Deleterious Uprising
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:37:13 GMT

cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore) writes:
: 
: their stuff seriously.  I'd like to ask (in the round), however, if there is
: such a thing as a physical allergy to LSD that could be fatal?  I have heard of
: similar conditions applied to marijuana but never verified; I have no
: chemistry, and very little printed matter on this that I'd credit.  

It is possible to be allergic to just about anything. Any allergy, under the
right conditions, could be fatal - if untreated.

Bill
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:02:09 GMT

U56673@uicvm.uic.edu () writes:
: 
: someone asked about wether or not DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide?) can be used to get
: lsd throught he skin.....
: Answer:  I haven't a clue.. but we CAN speculate.

Marvelous. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, yet you
are willing to speculate. Why don't you refrain from posting and let the
people who know answer the question. If no one responds, then would be the
time to do some research and post an informed answer.

: this would depend a lot on the charicteristics of the solvent and the lsd...
: IF lsd is easily solvated by DMSO then MY GUESS is that the DMSO would penetrat
: e the skin and pull the lsd in with it (where it is fee to enter the bloodstrea
: m)  I really haven't a clue as to weather or not lsd is solvatable by dmso.

It is - it is a well known fact. For that matter, substances do not have to be
dissolved to be carried through the skin barrier.

: you might want to try acetone (easily available)  It probably wouldn't damage t
: he lsd if it didn;t work either... you could probably just lick the lsd off you
: r arm (or wherever you put it) if it didn't work.  thats just my speculation.

It might not damage the lsd, but it certainly could damage you. It is toxic,
an irritant and highly flammable. It would be stupid to use such a substance
as a carrier - and, that is not speculation on my part, that is a documented
fact that you could look up in any basic materials safety text/handbook.

Bill
From: Michael.Wagner@f182.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Cactus
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92  19:49:00

RRP> Has anybody had any luck with mescaline trips from Trichocereus
RRP> pachanoi 'San Pedro Cactus'? T.Peruvianus has the highest
RRP> mescaline percentage almost reaching that of Peyote. T. pachanoi
RRP> is a more common variety but seems to have less mescaline. Does
RRP> anybody have any intresting experiences about this cactus?
RRP> Recipies?

        Nice cactus. No noticeable effects whatsoever.
===
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From: an2509@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Pot Stuff
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:56:56 GMT

Two questions:
First, I've noticed that when I lift weights while high or having recently been
high, I seem to be a bit stronger.  Anybody else noticed this?
Second, is it a bad idea to use common writing/computer paper for rolling
joints because they might put nasty chemicals in the smoke from whatever
bleaches or other chemicals they retain from manufacture?
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From: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Request for blueprint for tilt pipe.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:25:04 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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I heard that a while ago there was a diagram for a tilt pipe, involving a
twelve volt car lighter. Could someone email me a copy. I'd be most grateful.

Thanks a lot,
Jason
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From: wbogue@cwis.unomaha.edu (Willie Bogue)
Subject: Vasopressin in Mexico
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:48:35 GMT

I will be taking a jaunt to Mexico later in January. In Smart Drugs
and Nutrients, it says that Vasopressin is available over the counter
there. Has anybody out there been able to confirm this? If so, do I ask
for it as "Vasopressin" or does it have some other name?

Thanx for any info.

Willie
wbogue@cwis.unomaha.edu
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From: muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (William J. Taney)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:26:35 GMT

jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Star Parker) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.045824.14564@u.washington.edu>, lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes...

>>Tearing off pieces of blotter paper (esp. small squares) tends to give one
>>annoying little contact trips.
Annoying????!!!?!?!?


-- 
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*muwjt@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu        *         it's the Law
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From: LKEYS@BUPULA.BU.EDU (clementine)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: DAMPEN YOUR HERB
Date: 10 Dec 92 19:16:40 GMT
Organization: BOSTON UNIVERSITY, Pulmonary Center
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Please, try this at home.

A friend showed me a recent edition of "High Times" in which there was a short
letter from a reader.  This reader suggested dampening your herb before
injestion.  The theory is similar to the vaporization theory which has been
discussed here in the past few weeks.  

The majority of the desirable portion of the herb is destroyed when burned 
by conventional methods, although a small portion is vaporized at the same
time.  Only this vaporized portion is realized by the user.  Dampening the
herb increases the percentage which will be vaporized.  All of this leads to
either greatly increasing the effect because more is utilized properly or to
great savings.

We experimented with this idea and were surprised just how well it worked.
You will have to play with just how damp you can get.  Keep a spray
bottle handy and good luck!



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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] foo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:10:08 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: anonymous

In article <1992Dec17.092113.22968@u.washington.edu> ap.2187@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>bar

That's cool. It's about time somebody showed a sense of humor around here.
-- 
=============================================================================
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	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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From: un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mescal buttons..?
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:23:20 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <17DEC199216081381@vx9000.weber.edu>, melbarbari@vx9000.weber.edu (Mansour Elbarbari) writes:
>>Mescaline is extracted from mescal buttons.  The term peyote is used to
>>describe any of the a number of cactii.  It is also used, by some people, as
>>a synonym for mescaline.
> 
> I beleive Mescal is a cactus used to create a very hard liquir in the 
> Mexico area.. Many people assume it has mescaline in it since it has
> a) the word mescal and b) it comes from a cactus..  The mescal cactus 
> doesn't have mescaline in it all.. the name Peyote does describe the
> specific cactus Lophophora Williamsii.. there are more powerful 
> hallucinogenic cactis used such as Sunamii but Lophophoria Williamsii is the
                                     ^^^^^^^
> only one actually called peyote.. Although I have heard that some Indian
> tribes call any hallucinogenic cacti the same thing..
> 

I have never heard of Sunamii before (sounds like a Japanese tidal
wave). Anyone care to tell us what species this is, and what
the mescaline content is?

BTW the mezcal cactus from which those filthy liquors are made
should not be confused with mescal buttons which are dried
Lophophora williamsii sections.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)
From: v092kdab@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (susan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Caffeine and appetite
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:58:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2114@coyote.UUCP>, jeffs@almaden.ibm.com (Jeff Schneiter) writes...
> 
>A friend of mine asserts that drinking a cup of coffee will
>INCREASE one's appetite - maybe not at the exact instance that
>it is being consumed, but within an hour or so.
> 
>Is this true of those that are addicted to coffee AND/OR those
>that only occasionally drink that vile stuff?
> 
>Medical references would be nice.
> 
I have no medical references and would also appreciate some but I also find 
this to be true for myself.  
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From: bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:01:53 GMT

In article <Bz3t5z.BBK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>	Acid has the sama aptitude for travelling through the molecular
>"gateways" in the skin as DMSO.  Stricknyne, however, does not have this
>aptitude, and as LSD decays (thermally triggered) it decomposes into
>stricknyne (used in rat poison - not an urban legend).  If the stuff you 
>get is normal street stuff, with some age and imperfect storage facilities,
>you are likely to get high stricknyne acid.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
<sigh>
Thanks, Dr. Science.  Next time, trying reading the fucking FAQ.
And by the way, it's "strychnine".  Just like DMSO, huh?  Get a clue.

>	Stricknyne has mild psychedelic effects, but not nearly as strong
>as LSD.  If you end up with stuff that has decayed all the way, you will
>have cheesy shit that will cause a MILD trip and not go through the
>skin at all.

Why not just give those old doses to some rats?

chow,
bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
Ask not what's inside your head but what your head's inside of. - W. Mace
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Old LSD
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:12:43 GMT

drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
: In article <1992Dec17.014246.1562@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: > loophead@cyberden.uucp writes:
: > 
: > : are amounts without tolerance, mostly:)  Also, any comments on street 
: > : doses in the good old days vs. today
: > 
: > Yep. Regardless of all the claims that they are weaker/stronger than in
: > the 60s - the dosages are in the same range - generally 20 to 100 ug.
: > 
: > Bill
: 
: Bill, can you give a reference. I would really like to check into this.

I do not have them handy - I may be able to dig them out of my boxes at
home. Maybe someone else has the information handy.

The testing done in the 60s and 70s set the levels, for that time as 20
to 100 ug - with occasional doses that were a bit larger. 

I do not recall exactly were I got the information for current dosage
levels.  

Bill
: 
: 
: -- Danny
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From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Shrooms
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:07:56 GMT

I've never shroomed before, and I'm going to have the chance to do so around 
Christmas.  I was wondering if anyone can give me a tip on first-time 
dosage, or anything else.  Also, I believe they're going to cost either $100 
for a half-oz. or 100 for an oz.  I can't remember.. 

-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Behavior on Acid
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:07:37 GMT

In article <Bz87sq.DK0@udecc.engr.udayton.edu> mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U)) writes:
>
>I have never experimented with Acid (not to say that I wont, but it hasn't 
>been available to me as of YET).  I noticed that someone mentioned that you
>appeared "normal" when tripping.  That would be kind of nice, because I know
>with experiences with alcohol and MJ that you don't appear "normal" in the
>least.  The other night we were pretty well baked and were on a run for the
>border (Taco Bell), and I was so stoned I pushed the door right into the
>wall with a loud BANG for some reason, and I had to have one of my other 
>friends order for me because I was *paranoid* to order myself.  It must have
>looked very obvious, considering all of our eyes must have been blood red.
>
>It would be nice to be tripping without anyone really noticing.  I'll have to
>try it sometime.  8-)

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing.  Several times I've met friends at
concerts (if you are Texas, go see "Soul Hat" - awesome funk band...)
where I wouldn't have guessed that they were tripping had they not
told me...


andrew
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: dextromethorphan hydrobromide
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:49:17 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <jah.724626381@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>10764860@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PAUL WALSH) writes:
>
>   Could codeine be succesfully precipitated to a solid from a cough syrup via
>electrolysis? Or is the concentration of codeine ions too small for that?
>If this worked, wouldn't it also be the way to make the purest freebase
>in your bathtub?

    Exactly what are you talking about?  If you are suggesting the
liberation of codeine from a salt, I'd like to see how this could be done
electrolytically.

    Btw, "freebase", as a single word, is usually reserved for cocaine.

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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: DANGER: Paralysis from Homebrew!
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:04:09 GMT

I'm forwarding this from a homebrewers' forum for its entertainment value...enjoy!

>I have a sort of related question on nasties in beer.  Recently, I gave
>some homebrew to a professor of mine who is eager to try it, but told me
>that her daughter had heard of some case in California where seven people
>had suffered paralysis because they drank someone's (obviously not too pure)
>homebrew.  Sounds pretty exciting - it get's better: they weren't cured
>of this until some smart person injected fetal tissue into their brains!
>Is this out of Weekly World News?  Is it a story spread by Mr. Koch at
>Sam Adams?  Or are there people putting smack, or Drano and baby laxatives
>in their beer or something?  She observed correctly that I am still alive,
>and therefore deduced that she would not perish from my beer and that she
>might just as well drink it.

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gak@wrs.com		Donnerstag Bier gebraut wird und deshalb ab
attmail!gakhaus!gak	Mittwoch nicht mehr in den Bach geschissen
107/H/3&4		werden darf.

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From: bowman@reed.edu (Mr. Stress Tensor)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.155248.28106@zip.eecs.umich.edu> stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:
>In article <BzAr0B.4Jy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.194426.11977@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos) writes:
>>there.  It is not "impossible" and actually, due to this, has SOME likelihood.
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>AFU motto of the week?

Sounds good to me.  BTW, "null pointer" wrote that, not me.

formerly boboramdos,
bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
Ask not what's inside your head but what your head's inside of. - W. Mace
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