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From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What is a suplex?
Date: 3 Jan 93 22:08:40 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1i3l8sINN5t3@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:

> You can't do a suplex to someone coming off the ropes. 

Ever see someone catch someone who was running at them in a waistlock and
belly-to-belly suplex them? Owen Hart has been known to do this rather
well.

Let's see. You want a definition of a suplex now...

> Alright, how about you start in any kind of hold and drop your
> opponent onto his back. This is as close as I've come, but I think it allows
> things which I don't consider a suplex, like a body slam or Razor Ramon's 
> finisher. 

I would add both wrestlers actually falling to the mat. Still a little
vague as one can execute a gut wrench suplex without falling. It should also
be performed in one fluid motion, excluding the likes of the "Razor's edge".

An interesting thread would be to name as many different suplexes as
possible. I'm sure the netters who frequently watch Japanese wrestling
would be able to shine at this.

Vertical suplex (most common, "textbook")
Snap suplex
Gut wrench
Double underhook (butterfly)
Belly-to-belly
Belly-to-back
German suplex (belly to back into a bridge for a pin)
Northern Lights suplex (belly to belly into a bridge for a pin)
Inverted suplex (like vertical, but drop on chest rather than back)
Front face suplex

Any more?

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From: joepet@sprockets.engin.umich.edu (Joseph L Petrow)
Subject: Re: How long did WCW know about Rude's injury?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:14:19 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: joepet@sprockets.engin.umich.edu


In article <jbeverly-291292191741@macc901.mv.us.adobe.com>, jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly) writes:
> In article <C01uqx.12s@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
> (Eric M Chmiel) wrote:
> >     Yes, WCW knew about Rude's injury.  It's legit, only it's not a herniated
> > disk, it's a shoulder injury.  Rude injured it in Cleveland on December 10,
> > and though he's been traveling with WCW, he hasn't wrestled a house show
> > since (to the best of my knowledge).
> > *******************************************
> > Eric Chmiel********************************
> > *******************************************
> 
> On one of the WCW shows a couple of weeks ago, Rude appeared to be favoring
> his shoulder after a match. He was wincing noticeably. This was (I believe)
> two weeks ago on the power hour show.
> 
> Jamie D. Beverly
> Acrobat Technical Support
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At the very least, they didn't say it was a knee injury.  Then they could
play the "my God, Erik Watts put Rude out of commision with the STF!" angle
to an early grave.

Joe Petrow
joepet@engin.umich.edu
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From: naults@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Where's Jim Garvin?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:42:04 GMT

Two questions:

	1) Does anyone have a tape of the Barry Windham "saddle match"
from Championhsip Wrestling of Florida. I think it happened sometime
in 1981-1982.

	2) What happened to Jimmy Garvin? I saw him on one WWF show and 
that was that?

			Thanks.		SMN
From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Starcade 92
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:46:19 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	I was completely disapointed with Starcade 92.  After the HH flop and
a simular flop at the Clash, I had thought that Cowpie would have gotten the
message.  IMHO Starcade 92 was better than the previous two, but lacked what
was needed to push WCW back where it was when the Crocketts were running the
show.  The non switching of any of the titles just wasn't what was needed.
Chono could have kepted his title and even Simmons could have retained due
to a last minute replacement by Dr Death.  The Chono match was good but, Dr
Death did a sh*ty job jobbing.  His moves were good when on the offensive,
yet lacked to much when tring jobber moves.  This could have been booked 
better.
	I still think that Steamboat & Douglas should have dropped the belts
to add some credability to the show.   This would have helped pushed the 
rematch at Super Brawl.  The only good match seamed to be the King of Cable.
Some of the people I know thought that Watts would have Vader win it.  It 
could have gone either way.  It did set up Sting for a successful second
Battle Bowl victory and I'm glad to see it didn't happen.  But I think 
BW should have won it.  I guess JAPAN decided they wanted this match in 
exchange for letting Muta and Chono on the card.
	I wonder if at Super Brawl, Rude will get his shot at Simmons or 
Chono?  It's rummered that the match with Chono is in the works.  
Unfortunately I'm unable to get this comfirmed.  There is also talk about 
BW teaming with Spivey and getting the Tag belts.  Also unconfirmed.  I'll 
know more after the 1st on these subjects.
	As posted before, most of the prelim, quarter final & semi-final
matches for the US title have taken place.  From what I know/heard, the final
four are BW, Steamboat, Dustin and Watts from unconfirmed sources.  I do know
that the BW - Dustin fued is to heat up and be a major match in this tourney.
	Lets hope that Super Brawl is twice as goo as Starcade.  It may be 
the only way for Watts to save his job.  Hey Turner, Turn up the heat!

just a little to get by on.
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From: hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano)
Subject: Starrcade
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:26:42 GMT

Hmmm People seem to be unhappy with the show.  Not unexpected but I thought it
was pretty good.  I guess I like those cards where wrestlers appear more than
once like a tournament or something.  Dissapointing that there were not as many
high flying moves given the participants involved.

Things to note during the broadcast;  The ring announcer Gary M Capetta didn't
make any blunders that he had to weave his way out of.  Refreshing.

We didn't see Missy after the drawings.  A shame.

The opening blabber took about 8 minutes.  The first match was shorter than 
that.  I think WWF is better in that category since they seem to go right to
the action.

No championships changed hands but they were able to crown two new champions
anyway.  Nice way out of it but how many more champs can they have?

Muta missed the moonsault and it looked like Scorpio came down hard on Muta
when he flipped in the ring over the top rope.

The entrance music was great for the battlebowl since there was an overall 
theme song instead of individual entrances.  Not a bad idea.

Liger should not have been the last name drawn since it seemed obvious that 
they wouldn't get away with not drawing his name.  

Van Hammer gave everyone the finger when he first came out.  Van Vader looks
like he's giving everyone the British version of the finger (almost).

When Sting pinned Vader, it looked like Vader's shoulders came up off the mat.

Aren't there supposed to be two rings for the battle royal?


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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Wrestling Challenge Dec 2
Date: 1 Jan 93 11:29:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

DO>Monsoon is a GREAT announcer, so he is entitled to a mistake

He is?  That's news to me.  I always thought he was a buffoon.
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From: sweide@uceng.uc.edu (Steven Weide)
Subject: Re: just read....
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:38:41 GMT

In article <T59RwB7w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
>dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:
>
>> MB> The Steiners will be debuted in the weekend Syndies (wonder what the
>>   >packaging will be, surely something fancier than those University of
>>   >Michigan jackets, that's a guess frankly can't remember the exact
>>   >Logo).
>> 
>> That is what they will be wearing.  They have the same act as they did
>> in WCW.
> 
>Not exactly -- judging by the quick interview on the syndies, Rick isn't 
>doing the brain damaged idiot gimmick, even though he's wearing the 
>headgear. For once, I have something to thank Vince for!
> 

Anyone know if there is an actual reason for him to wear the headgear
(injury?) or is it just part of their great background?

Steve
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From: jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo)
Subject: Flair spotted at basketball game
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:44:39 GMT

F.Y.I., I was watching the Detroit Pistons vs. the Charrolette Hornets, and
after they announced a wrestling event at the Palace and the main event, the
other announcer said that Ric Flair was sitting right behind him.

I can't really tell if he was there.  I just wish they got him to talk to
them.


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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Asst. Lab Supervisor))
Subject: Re: Brody's murder
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:26:10 GMT

>Was "DUTCH MANTELL - DESPERADO HERO" article by Dr. Mike Lano actually
>published and by who??
>

Oops, forgot the credit this time.  It waas published in an issue of
Evan Ginzburg's sheet: Wrestling Then & Now.
-- 

Dominic "Although I may bear him a striking resemblance, I am not
Julian Sands, nor have I ever practised witchcraft." Macika

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From: jbeverly@adobe.com (Jamie D. Beverly)
Subject: Re: How long did WCW know about Rude's injury?
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:18:50 GMT

In article <C01uqx.12s@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Eric M Chmiel) wrote:
>     Yes, WCW knew about Rude's injury.  It's legit, only it's not a herniated
> disk, it's a shoulder injury.  Rude injured it in Cleveland on December 10,
> and though he's been traveling with WCW, he hasn't wrestled a house show
> since (to the best of my knowledge).
> *******************************************
> Eric Chmiel********************************
> *******************************************

On one of the WCW shows a couple of weeks ago, Rude appeared to be favoring
his shoulder after a match. He was wincing noticeably. This was (I believe)
two weeks ago on the power hour show.

Jamie D. Beverly
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: WWF Prime Time Wrestling - 21/12/92
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:05:05 GMT

In <24551@galaxy.ucr.edu> kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman) writes:

>"Direct" from WJBK in Detroit are Rick and Scott, wearing Michigan jackets and
               ^^^^

AMAZING!!! WJBK is an ACTUAL TV station in Detroit!! But it's not the
one what shows the WWF syndie...that's WDIV.

>Vince announces a format change.  Starting 11 January 1993, the Monday Night
>WWF USA Network shows will be live shows from MSG.  Cool!  Heenan wonders what

Does this mean that Vince is going to do a live house show every
Monday from MSG on TV? Every Monday? Live? Wow...the workrate in the
WWF just went up exponentially just because it's live.
Live...wow...wish I got Prime Time now...

Your updates are going to be all the more needed now.


>Mention of Slam Jam: 0.

Ever get the feeling that Ted Turner bought a brief promotional spot
on Prime Time for Slam Jam...and THEN Vince discovered what it was? :)

Great update!

Merry Christmas!

Michael
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From: hsano@cs.ulowell.edu (Hitoshi Sano)
Subject: Hometown Bashing
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:46:49 GMT

Ric Flair is coming to Boston to take on Hitman for the title.  In an 
'inerview' this weekend, Ric said that since the Celtics couldn't win to save
their life Boston is just dying for a champion like him to come around.  It
was something like that but not nearly exact.

Anyway, I remember way back when Lanny Poffo made his first appearance in 
Boston as 'The Genius', there were still a few cheers for him even though he
had been away for a while.  He silenced them with a hilarious poem that went
something like this:
   
            I'm the Genius Lanny Poffo.  I always know what's up.
            The Bruins haven't got a prayer to win the Stanley Cup.
            The Red Sox are a travesty, they haven't won in years.
            The Patriots are a disaster team, they have us all in tears.

There might have been more but that's all I remember.  The sad part was that
all of that was true.

I was just wondering if there were any other interesting hometown bashes by
villans over the years.  I know Jesse mentioned Atlanta on HH but it seems to
have more bite if its on a local broadcast or a house show.  I'd also like to
know if someone has the correct Poffo quote from that Boston show.  Thanks.

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to run a Fotomat."
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From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steven G. Myerson)
Subject: Re: Holiday card picks (re: Wrestling TidBits   -   12/17)
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:12:50 GMT

Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru' writes:

* In article <BzF737.n4y@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
* >  - WWF has it's annual Royal Rumble PPV on 01/24/93 (or is that 01/23/93?)
* >    from Sacramento.  The line-up will include:
* >      - Bret Hart vs. Razor Ramon for the WWF Title

* I like Hart to win.  Hall just isn't a champion type of guy, not even with all
* his machismo.  And it's on 24 Jan 1992.
                                    ^^^^

If you're going to provide a correction, at least get it right.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
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From: carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: Tiger Jeet Singh
Keywords: cbc
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:42:39 GMT

hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:

>awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton) writes:

>>I remember the Tiger back in the 70's in Montreal wrestling Jacques Rougeau
>>Sr. for the "World Title" and the Tiger being a good heel. He now seems to
>>have turned into more of a "madman" (ala the Sheik). Can anyone comment
>>on the Tiger and whether he is really that big in Japan? He does seem to have
>>a nice big house...

In my tape collection, there is a empty arena match between between Onita 
and Tiger Jeet Singh where the ring is surrounded by electified barb wire
and exploding devices.  Not a lot of wrestling, but Signh plays the mad
Arab and with a sword and smashed Onita repeatedly with the but.
For those who like blood and gimmicks, FMS is the ticket.

Getting back to Tiger Jeet Signh, the Observer reported that the 
CBS show, Fifth Estate was going to show a 20 minute segment on 
Signh.  

Does anyone know when this will be on?

Mark
mark_carlton@ccm.hf.intel.com

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From: wayne@bragg.bio.purdue.edu (Wayne Twitchell)
Subject: UW ?
Reply-To: wayne@bragg.bio.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University, Dept. of Biological Sciences
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:28:42 GMT

This is a what ever happended to? post
SO what ever happended to UW?  or a minor leager named Chris (conan) Walker (WSW)?
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From: rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan)
Subject: Re: How long did WCW know about Rude's injury?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:44:58 GMT

In article <C01uqx.12s@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>>I wonder how long Rude has had that "herniated disk", if indeed he is

>    Yes, WCW knew about Rude's injury.  It's legit, only it's not a herniated
>disk, it's a shoulder injury.  Rude injured it in Cleveland on December 10,
>and though he's been traveling with WCW, he hasn't wrestled a house show
>since (to the best of my knowledge).

Well, while we're separating the works from the legits, do you happen
to know how long Rude will be out?  Jim Ross said he'd be out for
five to six weeks, and then he said that if he couldn't wrestle the
challenger who wins the US title tournament in about four weeks, he'd
lose the title.  Those numbers seem awfully contrived, like they're
setting us up for the miraculous recovery, too-early return to the ring,
or Rude to be stripped of the belt.

Someone else suggested that it might just be possible that Rude was
showing X-rays of his *own* injured shoulder.  Damn, would I love
to believe that was true.  That would rank as one of the all-time
great inside jokes in my book.  Does anyone know if it is true?
We can only hope...

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From: marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
Subject: UW?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:08:54 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-31-92 23:04
A(:On America Online, someone said that UW will be appearing in Billerica, Mass.,
A(:against Hercules. He'll be introduced as "The man who used to be called The
A(:Ultimate Warrior." Gonna be kinda tough to put on a t-shirt. :-) Anyway, this
A(:guy also claims that Hellwig will get $1000 per show. Take it for what it's
A(:worth. I don't believe all of it... but if anyone in that region can confirm
A(:it, let us know.

 Local Paper (Toronto Daily Star) mentioned $4K per appearance on the 
Indpendent Circuit.
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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Survivor Series tape
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:45:11 GMT

Yes, in fact, this post IS about the Survivor Series, not me just
spouting off about Starrcade under the wrong subject.

Is the S.S. tape out yet? The WWF, which normally pushes the tapes
pretty heavily, hasn't said when this one is coming out.

My local video store knows nothing.

Michael
Well, ya gotta at least rent it....less than PPV and you can fast-forward
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Smoky Mountain - 8 NOV 19
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:56:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

clay@cs.utk.edu (Clay P. Breshears) writes,

CPB>* Interview with Rock and Roll Express.  "Four Faces of Fear" are the
   >  most dangerous matches in wrestling.  No DQ, so they can do anything to
   >  Jim Cornette they want to and not lose.  (Morton has his forehead
   >  bandaged and Gibson has the left hand taped up)

I don't know if the description of the Master attacking Brian Lee made
it to your systems, it was cut off of mine.  Anyhow, it will definitely
be on the ballot for the next group tape, as will the clip that they
showed on TV of the "Four face of Death."
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From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling Challenge Dec 27th -- Monsoon Mistake
Date: 31 Dec 1992 05:19:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1htdcqINN66u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij) writes:
>
>In a previous article, pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) says:
>
>>Surprised nobody posted this yet...at least, I didn't see it.
>
>Nyah, ya didn't miss anything, nobody has said much of anything
>about the weekend WWF syndies (damn, might post the program
>summaries if the other guy who offered to do it doesn't).

	I have been posting my recaps of the WWF syndies for the past two 
weeks. I actually got a lot of response to the first one. Must be beginner's 
luck. I don't know why you haven't been getting them, I usually try to post
right after I watch them, around 2pm eastern time. However, I will not be able
to do so on Jan. 9 as I'm going to Boston Garden to watch Hart/Flair in a 
most-falls-in-one-hour match. It's a matinee at 1:30 so I will not get to
watch. If you want to sub for me that week, I'm sure it would be appreciated.
Wow, a sub for the sub. Weird and wild stuff. I missed the Lombardi mention,
but I'm afraid I miss stuff while I try to both watch and right down the stuff
I find worthy of comment. (Usually hilarious statements from Bobby.) I hope I
don't screw up too bad next week as I try to write a play-by-play for the
Perfect-Berzerker match AND try to listen for what Heenan has to say about
Curt. 

						Steve Sousa

	If Raymond Rougeau is back working for Vince, why not have him
wrestle. Great angle if his brother were still around. Jeaque: I am the 
Mountieeeeeee! Raymond: No you're not you spoiled brat, you're my brother!
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From: crafts@athena.mit.edu (The Invisible Man)
Subject: Shoots?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:45:23 GMT

I know this may sound markish...

I was watching a few old wrestling videos over the holiday 
and I have a few questions...

The Jake the Snake/Randy Savage feud...was that a shoot or a complex job?

How about when Jimmy Snuka/Don Muraco wrestled in Madison Square 
Garden in a steel cage and Snuka splashed Muraco from the top of
the cage? Damnedest thing I EVER seen...shoot or job?

Was it me or did Andre the Giant really get a three count against
Hogan in Wrestlemania III in the opening seconds of the match?....

Wondering

Dan
crafts@athena.mit.edu