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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Probe in the Snow?
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:14:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:

>ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis) writes:
>
>>Tips, recommendations, and advice appreciated.  Especially if you know a
>>good way to drive a stick in the snow.  For instance, is it a good idea
>>to start from a dead stop in 2nd gear to avoid spinning the tires?
>
>The only time I would recommend starting in 2nd is when you absolutely CANNOT
>start in first.  I think a little wheelspin on  a low-friction surface will do
>less damage ($$-wise) to the tires than a lot of 2nd-gear starts will do to
>the clutch.  I was stuck for a week last winter driving an MG Midget in heavy
>snow, and I only had to use 2nd gear to get up my driveway.
>
>IMHO, on most types of snow, the magic trick is to keep the tires cool.  This
>sounds dumb, and I just know somebody will flame me for it, but it seems to
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~kinda almost makes sense, if you think about it..which has the
lower coefficient of friction, ice with a coat of water on it, or ice w/o
the coat of water? maybe this is the reason for your idea?
DREW
>me that the tires increase in temperature and lose traction after skidding and
>wheelspin.  So taking it easy in general is a good idea.  On a stick, like I
>said, I start in first almost all the time, but I try to be as gentle as pos-
>sible in order to avoid wheelspin.  Other than that, on a FWD car, I think
>it's important to stay in as high a gear as possible for two reasons.  First,
>in a higher gear it's tougher to accidentally spin your wheels, and second, if
>you let off the gas suddenly, the engine braking is less.  On a RWD car, this
>is not a big deal as braking at the rear is usually stabilizing, but on a FWD
>car, this causes a braking force at the front of a nose-heavy car, reducing
>stability.
>
>Quite frankly, I think RWD cars are just too damn much fun in the snow to give
>up anyway, but good luck!
>===
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In rec.autos, ehsan@attila.weitek.COM (Ehsan Kalami) writes:


>     hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>     blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>     garage. similar to one found in parking lots?

Here's a simple idea I got from watching pilots taxi passenger planes up
to the ramp:

Hang a tennis ball on the end of a string suspended from the garage ceiling.  
Adjust the position of the ball so it contacts the windshield at the point
where you want to stop.  Works like a charm. 

Don Montgomery
donrm@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
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From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Hot rods & clunkers  (Was: Eth Bl Gas ... )
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:44:34 GMT

bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
> greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz) says:
> > I'm not interested in seeing all older cars removed.  Only 
> >  "smoke-belching mid-seventies piece of V8 iron.
> 
> So how about the smoke-belching 80's Japanese 4's?  I've seen some
> mid to late 80's Toyotas and Datsuns that make a great smoke screen.

You are so correct!  I used V8 because those are the most prevelant, but
I too, have been gassed by more than one sub-2 liter BlueSmokeSpecial.

Their environmental impact isn't as severe, since they are still probably
getting 18-20 mpg while the old Monte Carlos, LTD's etc get 8-10 (assuming
the car is in the smoke-belching stage).

You know, I don't seem to see many Camaro/Firebirds that belch blue smoke
(a occasional one, but not many).  I wonder why?
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Crown Vic Police Package
Date: 20 Nov 1992 05:28:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Clarkkent) says:

>In <uznerk.722203461@mcl> uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:
>
>>I just saw this in an "all Ford" magazine and found it pretty amazing.
>>It showed a picture of a CHP Crown Vic, fully decked out in CHP trim, with
>>a Paxton Supercharger installed on it.  The car is the Old style Crown Vic,
>>not the new one, so it had a 351W engine in it.  The amazing thing is, the
>>article said that before the supercharger was installed, the Crown Vic
>>took 16.6 (!) seconds to hit 60mph.  What a joke!  Even after the blower
>>was installed, the car still took like 9.9 seconds to go 0-60.  In my mind,
>>that's pretty pathetic.  How can Ford sell such a product designed for
>>law enforcement with such horrible performance?  
>
>>Oh well, sorry to all you Ford fans, I guess I just had to go off on that one,
>>considering the type of car I drive (and its FAR superior performance :)
>
>>BTW, the article said that 250 Crown Vics would get superchargers installed
>>on them.  Not that I'm worried, I'm not stupid enough to try and run from the
>>cops.  (Even though a Paxton-equipped Crown Vic could at best only keep up
>>with me:)
>
>
>My question to the editors/authors of that publication would be
>	
>	"What color is the sky in your world?"
>
>I ride in 89-91 Police pkg Crown Vics several times a week.  This particular
>pkg included not the huge 351W, but the std 302EFI w/ dual exhaust.  This
>car will do 0-60 in less than 10 seconds!  I've been at higher speeds than
>that in a short distance.  Not a sports car, but competent in the world
>of rolling couches!  Two new '92's recently arrived, they're even
>more competent at 0-60, though unless available with the dohc(instead
>of the present 210hp sohc) v8, one wouldn't crack 8seconds to 60.
>What year is the Caprice?  C&D says a new Caprice Police pkg will
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>take 8.7 seconds to hit 60 mph!, sounds similar to a crown vic, 
>doesn't it?


course..who in thier right mind would rather be seen in a CC....i have yet
to understand how even police depts. can buy this hulk(isn't this term
generally used to refer to sunken boats??)..i know looks is not in the
uppermost layers of braintissue in decision making times and cruisers...
but the CC's are just flat out UGLY!!...not that the CV's are anything 
for Ford to be bragging about..but by and far the better if i had to 
choose one!!!
DREW
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:31:28 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <By03xI.D0M@mail.boi.hp.com> wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>From: wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
>Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
>Date: 20 Nov 92 06:12:53 GMT

>Ehsan Kalami (ehsan@attila.weitek.COM) wrote:
>: 
>: hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>: blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>: garage. similar to one found in parking lots?

>Pretty interesting at all the tennis ball entries.  As for myself, our
>garage was equipped with a concrete stop just like the one found in 
>parking lots and by code it was secured to the floor with bolts.  I'm not
>sure where the builder got it but many times I just come flying into the
>garage, and abruptly park the car against the block.  No gentle, time-
>consuming parking maneuvers.  Heck, I just ram the sucker, shut the 
>engine off, set the emergency brake and I'm outta there!  I bet I can 
>park and get out of the rig in 1/5th the time it takes to position against
>a "tennis ball".  

Somebody sneak into this guy's garage and move that thing back about 1 foot
;-)

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From: panos@burton.cs.colorado.edu (Panos Tsirigotis)
Subject: Re: Uninsured Motorist Insurance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:27:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.221450.12603@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.193751.25894@b30.ingr.com> satish@kumar.b30.ingr.com (Satish Ramaswamy) writes:
>>
>>Maybe this is a dumb question... My employer provides me the medical
>>coverage. If the Uninsured Motorist coverage  covers only the medical
>>expenses I guess I dont have to take it at all ...
>>
>>My insurance agent told  me that if the other person doesnt
>>have insurance the uninsured motorist coverage pays for the
>>damage to my car if I meet with an accident !!!!!!!!!

	Read your policy; if it does not state explicitly that the
	uninsured/underinsured motorist part covers damage to the car
	ask your insurance agent to put what he said in writing
	(and expect to see a lot of hesitation from his/her part).

>>
>>Is it true ? Am I paying for something that I dont need at all ?
>>
>The example I gave examined only the medical portion of uninsured/underinsured
>motorists coverage.  Property damage is also part of liability and uninsured/
>underinsured coverage.  It works in the same way.
>-- 

Not always. You should read the policy to make sure what the
uninsured/underinsured motorist part covers. I can tell you that
in my case it does *not* cover property damage. Of course,
other policies may provide different coverage under that part.

Panos

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From: subodh@informix.com (Subodh Nijsure)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:09:10 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1dttaqINNh69@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.013141.7090@wam.umd.edu> jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
[ ..stuff delted..]
>
>Personally I think if you're going to change the licensing system you
>ought to make it such that you really must be proficient to get the
>license rather than making lots of little restrictions.  Most testing
>systems are ridiculously easy, both in the written and driving
>portions.
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
How many people would agree to a driving test every 5 years? DMV places
a Video Camera in you car and reviews your driving after two days?
How many people would agree to that? 
-Subodh ( subodh@informix.com  or smn@netcom.com )
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From: sahul@loading-zone.Stanford.EDU (Zakir H. Sahul)
Subject: Re: Manufacturers' Addresses and Phone Numbers
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:44:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.123737.679@mwhhlaw.uucp>, jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.192006.18862@schbbs.mot.com>  
|> ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson) writes:
|> > 
|> > Here is a list of the Automobile Manufacturers' addresses as of 11  
|> MAR 91.
|> > The information was compiled by Auto News.  I have edited it for  
|> changes
|> > in Land Rover and Sterling since that date.
|> > 
|> > Domestic:
|> > 
|> > Chrysler Corporation                also, Jeep/Eagle
|> > 12000 Chrysler Drive
|> > Highland Park, MI  48288
|> > (313) 956-5741
|> 
|> 
|> Note that Chrysler is in the process of moving its headquarters to  
|> Auburn Hills, Mich., which is also the location of its new tech center.   
|> I don't have the address.
|> 
|> Jim Cavanaugh

Good thing too!  Working at Highland Park was the dumps.  However, some of my
ex-colleagues say that the new Tech Center in Auburn Hills is a cross between a
shopping mall and an airport!

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From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:15:16 GMT

Piece of garbage.  Buy a Honda Accord

(I can feel the heat rising!)

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From: jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov19.020843.4524@attila.weitek.COM> ehsan@attila.UUCP () writes:
>
>hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
>blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
>thanks.

	Try this.  Hang a tennis ball from a piece of string from
the cieling that contacts the windshield exactly when you should
go no further.


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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Oldy but Goody; Not Woody
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:42:37 GMT

In article <19NOV199217093282@reg.triumf.ca> rking@reg.triumf.ca (Russell M. King, TRIUMF, (604)222-1047x311) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I am slowly restoring a 1936 Chevy Car(Business Sedan model), that my father 
>used to drive, before it was parked 28 years ago on a farm in Saskatchewan. 
>The car is complete and authentic, with a complete documented history to boot,
>but there are many decisions to be made over how to procede.  I was wondering
>if anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing? 
>
>I think I would like to make it more of a custom job, with the running gear,
>suspension, steering, etc. from a later model Chevy car, perhaps a 80's Camaro
>Berlinetta(V6) or something.  By using the original body/frame and mating the
>new parts to it, the overall look would be better.  I could also scavenge all
>of the electrical componentry, like sensors, lighting, heater controls, etc.
>from one source.  The perfect combo - killer looks, update handling,
>performance.
>
>Comments, suggestions?  If this is the wrong group for this type of discussion,
>please redirect me.
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>
>Russell King
>
there are three groups you can try:

1) rec.autos.antique (alt.autos.antique) they're into restoring cars, but

2) since you want to restore the car, but use new running gear, engine etc,
   you may want to get in touch with a mail_list   hotrod@dixie.com
   these are people that go a little further than restoring and are
   in the process of getting together a net group on this

3) also, a new group   alt.autos.rod-n-custom   which may help you too

finally, my husband could answer a lot of questions, I'll pass on your
queries to him - he's been in the business since the early 60's

sharen


   
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From: cross1@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ed Cross)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:48:56 GMT
Subject: Re: My new Saturn in the shop for new transmission
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, clee@praha.jpl.nasa.gov (Chang Lee) writes:

> Two weeks ago, I put down 15K at the dealer for a new SL2.  500 miles and a 
> week later, the car's back at the dealer for a new transmission.  Obviously,
> I'm unhappy about the situation.  I bought the car partly because of claims
> of quality and reliability, but this episode has me deeply worried.  So,
> I'd appreciate feedback from Saturn owners regarding the reliability of their
> car (or should I get a refund and buy a Civic?)
>
In my experience of just over a year and a half of owning a Sport Coupe,
I have not had any major problems.  The minor ones that showed up were
quickly and courteously (sp) taken care of.  By the way I have 47,000
miles on mine and have gotten an overall mpg of 33.2 for all that time.
I am personally very pleased with the dependability of my Saturn and the
response of the dealer to any concern I may have.

Ed

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From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike S.)
Subject: Re: How to wash the underside of a car?
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:33:54 GMT

luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:

>I spray the underside of my car blindly with a garden hose, is there a
>better way to do it?

After each ice storm and subsequent spread of powdered corrosion
(salt), I go to one of those coin operated u-squirt places and
spray soap under the car as best I can.

I always wondered why they don't make the sprayer wands with a
bend near the end to make the job easier....

Mike
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From: jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:42:06 GMT

In article <6010@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov22.231222.17960@bnr.ca>, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>
>Nah.  If you've got that kind of money to burn, get yourself a Corvette ZR-1.
>The build quality is probably not as good, but there is a certain amount of
>fun in leaving NSX's spinning in your wake...

As long as we're burning money how about a Callaway Speedster Supernatural.

This has been one of the most interesting threads I've seen on rec.autos for
a long time (except for maybe that thread on how to avoid hitting the garage
wall :-).  

Here's my two cents on the styling debate.

3000GT-VR4-X-Y-Z: It just doesn't flow.  Too much of a tacked on look.

RX-7:  It flows.  Kind of a late '60s european look.   Have to see if I
       still feel the same way in a couple of years.

300-ZX: After a couple of years it seams a little bland (just a little), but
        I like it.  It's an attractive car...     Great interior which is more
        than I can say for the 3000GT.  I think the interiors of the 3000GT
	and the Eclipse are horrible.  Guess I'm just not into the Mitsubitshi
        interior (however you spell it) styling theme.

NSX:  A lot of people rag on the NSX saying it's no Ferrari.   Well it isn't,
      but it's still a neat car.   They do turn heads, surprisingly a larger
      number of car illiterates haven't figured out what they are yet.  If you
      want to talk about current designs, the styling on the Ferrari 348 is 
      not particularly impressive (I really liked the 308/328/288-GTO styling 
      and hated to see it discontinued).

SVX:  Not worthy of comment.
    
Supra:  Nice when it first came out, but it's time for a change.

MR2:  Dasa one Spicy-Meatball.  Ferrari on a budget.

Prelude:  It's growning on me, but the dash and tail-lights need to change.

Del Sol:  CRX R.I.P.


Hope that's enough fuel to keep the fire burning
                  Jeff
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:10:06 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:

>Heres an interesting one.  A friend back at home has an '89 s15 Jimmy.  He
>had to take it in to have the freon recharged because the A/C wasn't getting
>cold enough.  He says that the dealer filled it with the "new ozone safe"
>stuff.  His A/C quite frankly sucks now, doesn't get very cold at all.
>My question is, can you really put the "new" freon in an older type a/c
>system and still get the same cooling effect?

There is only one drop-in Freon replacement that I'm aware of and
that's the GHG-12 replacement that I've been working with George Goble
ghg@ecn.purdue.edu, on.  It has not yet been blessed by GMC so the 
dealer would likely not be using it.  Besides it increases the cooling
capacity of the system 20-30%, depending on the particular system.

There is a substitute  from Dupont called SUVA MP-52.  It requires a different
kind of oil and is not a drop-in.  Installation requires a complete flush 
of the system and the replacement of at least the dryer.  Cooling capacity
is unknown.

The R-134a replacement is a major undertaking.  Just about everything except
the evaporator must be changed.  Industry estimates at conversion costs
range from $800-$1200 for a passenger car.  Neither R-134a nor SUVA may
be just plopped in an existing system.  Corrosive destruction and/or
almost immediate oil failure will be the result.  

Your friend needs to find out what was put in his system pronto.

John

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:03:28 EST
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Tempos and Loyales, Info needed

philn@mothra.rose.hp.com (Phil Nielsen) says:

>  Was AWD available in '85?

No, AWD wasn't available on Tempos, just on-demand 4x4