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From: A20BAF1@NIU.bitnet (Bernadette Feyerharm)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Dressage Letters
Date: 6 Apr 1992 12:36:44 -0400
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

The mnemonic that I have always used to remember the Dressage Letters
for the small arena is:
           All Kind Elephants Have Cute Mothers, Bald Fathers.

The way I remeber the center line letters is because in the small
arena they are D X G, which looks a lot like DOG (starting from A of
course).

I have recently added another to remember the extra letters for the
large arena.  SIR is by the sea (C).  VuLiP (a made up word to
remember the 3 letters at the A end of the arena) is at the other
end.
                               C ute
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H:ave                          G                             :Mothers
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S:                             I                             :R
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E:lephants                     X                             :Bald
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V:             u               L               i             :P
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K:ind                          D                             :Fathers
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From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Flies
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon


Does anyone have any great ideas for keeping flies away.  I think this has
been discussed before so if anyone has a summary they could send me, it would
be appreciated. 

We have had such a mild winter this year and flies are already starting to
bother Reba.  Yesterday, her face was covered with flies as well as her
stomach.  I put Wipe on her but I know that only lasts long enough for her
to roll.  I am going to get a face fly-net as soon as I can and hopefully
that will help.  Any other suggestions? 

Thanks. 
***************************************************
	Linda Harbin
    linda@littlei.intel.com
    Hillsboro, Oregon
***************************************************
From: kcarroll@milton.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: tack in PNW
Keywords: good condition
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

looking for a child's western saddle & adult hunt saddle
tack trunk, lunge lines, any misc. equipment no longer needed
contact kcarroll@milton.u.washington.edu or leave phone message
(206) 842-0335 Must be in good condition
From: C20211@prime-a.poly-south-west.ac.uk (John Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Feeding licorice - was calming horses.
Date: 16 Apr 1992 16:55:41 -0400
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

    Hi,

    Someone asked a little while ago about calming their horse down - the
    problem occured at shows I think. Anyway, my friend told me that feeding
    licorice (sp ?) is good for calming them. Although they don't feed it
    anymore - no need too - it was very good. Anyone else heard of this, or
    any comments on it?

    John,
    Polytechnic South West, Plymouth, UK.
From: doconnor@potato.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Recoccuring strangles
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:59:07 GMT
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Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: dionysia@netlink.cts.com's message of 15 Apr 92 04:48:51 GMT


dionysia@netlink.cts.com (Dionysia Marqueza) writes:
] 20676JAE@MSU writes:
] > Has anyone ever had a horse that has gotten strangles and had it reoccur
] > at a later date?
]
]	 Are you -sure- your mare has strangles? From what I recall, 
] strangles is a viral disease that has a developed immunity, i.e., once 
] contracted, it cannot reoccur because the body can now produce antibodies to 
] counteract the pathogen. 

Most horses do develop immunity to strangles. However, every textbook
I've read that mentioned strangles said that some horses do not develop
immunity, and often have a reccurance of the disease 6 months later.

It may just be a little cold. If you are worried, call your vet and
describe the symptoms, then the vet can come out if she or he thinks
it's warranted.

Good luck with your "wide-body" mare !

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: L-Trytophan?
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:49:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: colorado.1992Apr10.004944.21003
Organization: Univ. Colorado Boulder, CIRES

I have been showing my mare (TB, 12 years old, greeeeeen) at
some of the open shows at my barn lately and have a few
questions for which some of you maybe can offer suggestions.

1) What is L-Trytophan? Is it a dangerous substance?
   It is in "Calm and Cool" which some people use to calm
   their horses. I have been using my voice and pats on
   the neck instead but they are only good for awhile.

2) How do you calm down a horse who is spooky to start with
   and is petrified of loudspeakers? (She goes ballistic
   when we have to go by the speakers and the only time she
   is exposed to them is at the show...I can detox her on
   orange cones, banging gates, etc. but don't have anything
   for this). When the class finishes, she just stands there
   and shakes.

I would like to make this a pleasant experience and take
all the scary stuff out of it. She has been improving
with each show (she's been in three so far) but is still
dangerous in the ring IMHO.

Suggestions please?

Thx!
J. Springer 
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:03:33 GMT
Subject: names...again
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

hello all,

I am new to this group and to notes in general.  But I thought I'd jump right   in.  2 friends and I recently purchaced a 10 yr old chestnut mare.  Her name
is/was Joy.  None of us are thrilled with the name and we are trying to come
up with a new one.  Of course with 3 people in on it, it is much more difficult.I would appreciate any suggestions.

As I said, she is a 10 yr old chestnut pleasure horse.  For the last year she
has had a nervous owner, and some of the nervousness has rubbed off.  I don't
think it is anything that can't be fixed with time, and it really isn't that
bad.   

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Kim Krattiger
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: l-tryptophan
Summary: try TTEAM!
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:48:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos

In article <1992Apr14.112832.1@scivax.stsci.edu> rewald@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
>
>I don't know if this translates from humans to horses, but a few years ago, 
>there was a big deal about using L-tryptophan in large doses in people.
>I do know that it's one of the amino acids, and people were taking it to 
>combat stress and insomnia.  Unfortunately, there were some people of the
>view "if some is good, lots more is lots better", who took really large 
>quantities.  They either died or had severe metabolic problems (sorry, I can't
>quite remember).  You used to be able to get it as an "over-the-counter" 
>supplement, but now you can't.  (The people-formulation, that is.)
>Anyway, I think I'd look at some clinical books or talk to a vet or two before 
>I started using it regularly.  
>                                         Rosalie


i remember this too.  i was taking tryptophan for some of my own ailments
when it was taken off the market because people had died.  it turns out that
the problem was traced to impurities in the manufacturing process of one
particular company.  but i would agree with the comment to try some of the
tteam work before resorting to drugs.  i just watched the some of the
tteam videos (and saw linda at work in a seminar last year).  she is
absolutely amazing!!  check it out!

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque
From: A20BAF1@NIU.bitnet (Bernadette Feyerharm)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Teacher certification question
Date: 14 Apr 1992 15:54:45 -0400
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
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I am very curious to know what is involved in getting Instructor
certification.  Where can one get this?  How much does it cost??
What kind of experience should an instructor have?  My emphasis at
William Woods was Teaching Techniques but I have not had much
opportunity to put this into practice.  I just love to teach and have
a potential opportunity coming up shortly.  I think it would be an
added bonus if I could get Instructor certification.

Thanks in advance!!!!
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From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Vaccination Frequency
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:32:27 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <3030279@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
>>    the vet comes out every 3 months for his shots.
> 
> What are you giving shots for?  Here in Colorado we only
> give shots once a year (flu, Eastern and Western sleeping,
> tetnus, and one other I can't remember).  Unless there is
> an injury that requires something, once is enough.  
> 
> This is not a flame, I'm curious as to why the 4 times a year
> is needed.  Recently, I read some posters in the East give shots
> 2 times a year.
> 
> Wendy

	I recently learned from my vet (and have now heard it from 
several sources) the the flu, E & T and tetanus shots provide good
immunity for only 3 months. I used to give those injections annually,
but since I haul my horses fairly heavily 6 months a year, my vet 
has told me to DEFINATELY give booster shots every 3 months. Before hauling
to Texas I'll be vaccinating for Venezualan too. The package indications
of these vaccinations still call for annual boosters, but this is not
considered sufficient by many vets. Just thought I'd pass that information
on, better safe than sorry.





>
From: fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE:  Horse keeping costs
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:22:29 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


My $2.75 bales of alfalfa/clover/timothy hay are wire bales that weigh
70 to 80 pounds.  One bale will last 3 horses for 2 days.  My two mares
can barely eat one flake per feeding.  The boys are a bit more on the
piggy side!  The hay is locally grown in N.W. Ohio., about 5 miles from
home.

Leigh Casey
From: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: horse keeping costs
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.9APR92105047
Reply-To: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3

A 70-80 lb  bale will last your horses 2 ddays?
This winter we have been free feeding our horses and there is
16 of them in one large field.  The bales we have been feeding
wiegh about one ton ( yes HUGE bales, 9 bands of wire around them)
they are about 3'X 3' X 6'.  One of those bales (alfalfa) last the
16 horse 3-5 days depending on how cold it got those days
If it is warmer they will back them selves off the hay a bit

Kim and Alex
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Board in/near Portland, Oregon.
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:26:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: gandalf.2188
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <3030279@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM>, wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
|> >    the vet comes out every 3 months for his shots.
|> 
|> What are you giving shots for?  Here in Colorado we only
|> give shots once a year (flu, Eastern and Western sleeping,
|> tetnus, and one other I can't remember).  Unless there is
|> an injury that requires something, once is enough.  
|> 
|> This is not a flame, I'm curious as to why the 4 times a year
|> is needed.  Recently, I read some posters in the East give shots
|> 2 times a year.
|> 
|> Wendy

I don't remember who the original poster was but I live in Hillsboro
(suburb of Portland) and I give Reba shots twice a year.  In the Spring 
she gets Rhino/flu/tetanus/sleeping and in the Fall she gets Rhino/flu.
This is at the suggestion of my vet.  At only $20-$25 each time, I figure
it is well worth it. 

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin
    linda@littlei.intel.com
    Hillsboro, Oregon
***************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: Flies
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:24:13 GMT


About keeping flies away.  The best fly repellent I've found
is Tri-Tec 14.  It's expensive, but it's very good.  Penny
gets burned by a lot of fly sprays, but this one doesn't
bother her skin.  Fly masks, like the one Farnam sells,
are GREAT!  Just be sure to take it off at night.

   Dorothy
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Recoccuring strangles
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:59 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Has anyone ever had a horse that has gotten strangles and had it reoccur at a
later date?  My mare came back from the breeder last year with strangles, which
fortunately didn't effect her pregnancy, and now she has a similar cough and
runny nose.  She does not have any other symptoms.  Her appetite is good and
she doesn't have a fever. Could this be a mild reoccurance?  My concern is that
she is past her due date and could foal any time.  She has had her vaccinations
recently, including rhino.  If she foals soon I don't want her to pass her
illness to her foal.  Any suggestions?
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:28:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Question for the FAQ...
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian


I have added this to my list.
Anyone who wants to describe their type of show is welcome
to send me mail.  Since I don't show much, I can't describe
the types of shows, and there are a lot of them.

Wendy - FAQ Keeper
wendy@hpfcmgw.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the name
Reply-To: red@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:15:18 GMT

>Okay, we've had lots of creative suggestions for names;  anybody
>good at taking a weird registered name,and coming up with a barn
>name?  In this case, we're talking about a TB mare named Co Kay Sem.
>She's a big bay with only a tiny bit of white on her face.  And I
>haven't a clue what to call her...


How about Kokie?  It's close enough to her real name, and you could
always say it's because of Kokie Roberts on NPR.

============
REPONDEZ S'IL VOUS PLAID = Honk if you're Scots
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse-sitters (was Re: Horse keeping costs)
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:06:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcmgw.3030283
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO


The general rule of thumb is:

A horse gets between 2% to 3% of its body weight per day.

The previous poster said 1 to 1.5 percent in hay.  

One of the things that really varies around the country is the
quality of hay.  I can feed my horses almost entirely on hay,
and they get all the nutrition they need.  (Babies and pregnant
mares not included.)  In some of the eastern states, the quality
of hay is so poor that supplimenting the hay with grain is necessary.

If you are concerned about the quality of your hay, have an analysis
done on it.  That way you know for sure how much protein, vitamines
and minerals you have in your hay, and you can calculate your needed
suppliment from the analysis.

If your horse is fat, you need to reduce the total amount of calories,
plus increase the amount of work.  (Sounds like a diet for people,
doesn't it?)  What you have to be careful of is not upsetting the
balance of nutrition.  Don't just cut out the grain or the hay.  If
your hay is poor, you still need the grain to give the nutrients.
But you still need the roughage to keep the horse's gut moving 
(among other things).

If your horse is thin, you need to add hay first unless you are at the
maximum amount the horse will eat (around 3%).  Then you add grain
and oil.  Note that if your horse is drastically underweight or sick,
this is not the diet to feed. See your vet instead.

Wendy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Kitty Cummings)
Subject: Best Pal's foot
Originator: kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:05:27 GMT

I believe this is 'GRAVEL' or is it 'QUITOR', I always ge tthe two
confused.  Anyone got a book handy that can help me out?

Anyway, it is a known condition, i believe the foriegn material getting
into the sole (ussually dirt, stones, etc) work there way up through the
soft tissue of the sensitive laminae and will erupt in a 'boil' like
puss pocket at the top of the hoof around the coronary band.  I beleive
treatment is hot packing, soaking, icthammol, etc as you would use for
other boils or puss pockets/absesses.

Kitty Cummings
Kit-Mar Appaloosas
Ritter Hof German Shepherds

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Subject: Re: horse shoes
Keywords: nail-ons vs glue-ons
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:18:25 CDT

My trakehner also oversteps and occasionally will catch
his front shoes.  Curiously, he doesn't forge at all.

To cope with this problem, we shoe the front end normally
and make sure there is no extra heel to grab. The toe in
front is not allowed to get long, and there is a limit to
how low an angle can be used.  With too much angle, Hari
seems to have difficulty getting his big feet out of the 
way.

The hind end is shod at a normal angle, but the toe on the 
hind shoes is squared off to buy just a bit extra room.  I
am very hesitant to raise the hind angle, because it tends
to shorten the movement of the hind legs.  My critters are
jumpers and dressage horses - I do whatever I can to encourage
them to engage their hind ends.  Also, I really don't want
to place any more stress than necessary on the hock.  An upright
angle will increase the concussion in hind leg joints (or front
leg for that matter)

All the above is just my humble opinion of course.  But it's 
opinion based on about 30 years of dealing with horses and 10 of
shoeing my own. I believe that corrective shoeing is overused
in the states - and causes a good deal more harm than good. 

-maureen

     
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: need suggestions on saddles
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:08:21 GMT

I'm back to lookng seriously at a new saddle.  My old saddle is just
too old (I worry about it falling apart), and also, it is just too
big in the seat for me.

I do all day rides at this point and am looking for an Elglish -type
endurance or english saddle.  I like the idea or Ortho Flex but that
is just out of my price range.

I would appreciate any suggestions.  I am currently thinking about
the Wintec Sport Edurance because it fits me, is comfortable, and I
like the idea of a saddle I can ride in lakes and the ocean.  My
concerns are the following:

Is it a well designed tree that will fit the horse well?  I can get
no information from the saddle shops on this.

How durable will this saddle be?  Will all the stitching be comming
apart in five years?  Will occasionally riding through some
chapparal and brush just destroy this saddle?

I am hard to fit-need an 18 inch seat, but also am very long in the
thighs and in most saddles my knees just come off the front edge of
the saddle.  I am more used to a jumping style saddle than a flat or
all purpose style.

I would appreciate any info on Wintecs and durability.

The main reason I just don't want a nice new leather saddle is that
I don't want to worry about riding in the rain, mud, and saltwater

Thanks, Karen
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: names...again
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:43:23 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Now aren't these great stories to tell when someone asks why
>your horse is named "Dances with Wool" or "Froghopper" ? :-)


There's a horse at my stable that goes by Freddy who's registered name is
Frog Hollar Fred.  That poor horse got picked on for weeks about his name.
(all in fun.)  Sometimes all you have to do to get a good laugh is to open
up the newspaper and read the race horses names.  Some of them are really
neat, but some of them are a gas.
                                Jenn
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