HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Robert Luneski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:15:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

What follows is a message posted by Darek Mihocka to comp.sys.mac.misc,
comp.sys.ibm.pc, and comp.sys.amiga.

->Article: 33036 of comp.sys.mac.misc
->Path: tekgen!zephyr.ens.tek.com!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!darekm
->From: darekm@microsoft.com (Darek Mihocka)
->Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.amiga
->Subject: Atari Falcons $799... WHO CARES! Just emulate it.
->Message-ID: <1992Sep02.184109.8805@microsoft.com>
->Date: 2 Sep 92 18:41:09 GMT
->Organization: BraSoft
->Lines: 33
->Xref: tekgen comp.sys.mac.misc:33036 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:28758

->The $799 Falcon, who cares! Atari has a long history of announcing vaporware
->and then either never releasing the product, releasing it in extremely
->small quantities (to be able to claim that they shipped it), or they ship
->it either severly crippled or at a much higher price.

->Their most recent blunders include the Atari TT (the crippled 68030 machine
->that barely outperforms a 16 Mhz 68000), the ST Book (the notebook that never
->was), and the "under $1000 68030 machine" Falcon. Notice that the $799 price
->is for a 1 meg machine with no hard disk. Gee, that's a throwback to the
->1986 days of the 1040ST! If you want a useful computer with 4 meg, a hard disk
->and a nice monitor, well, Atari says you'll have to fork over much MORE than
->the $1000. You can't even use Atari's laser printer with 1 meg machines.

->So, once again Atari has shot themselves in the foot by releasing an overpriced
->piece of technology that's already obsolete because they took so long to
->release it.

->Give me a few months to
->add 68030 emulation and you'll have yourself a Falcon emulator. Don't waste
->your money on the real thing and hell, why even lose sleep over it. Chances are
->slim that you'll see Falcons flooding dealer shelves any time soon.


->- Darek

->
->/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
->| Darek Mihocka, BraSoft, 14150 NE 20th St., Unit 302, Bellevue, WA 98007. |
->| Creator of Gemulator, Quick ST, and Xformer. Views expressed are my own. |
->\--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

Thankyou very much Darek for promoting the ST in such a positive light to other
computer owners.  Your sincere efforts to develop software that realizes the 
full capabilities of the ST and to share your love and respect for the 
machine with the world are greatly appreciated.  They are sure to result
in a healthy growing ST community.

Thank you,

- Bob Luneski
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:01:50 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <2A9C93FB.14833@orion.oac.uci.edu> jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance) writes:
>hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
>>
>>I guess everyone knows that the GEM interface has gone '3-D', i.e 3D borders
>>on windows and 3D buttons just like Windows. 
>
>  That's a new one to me.  I was wondering when Atari would finally
>update the "look" of the interface to make GEM more modern looking.
>  So is this 3D thing a part of TOS 2.07 and 3.07 or is it a part of
>Multi-TOS or did it happen before this and I just missed it? 
>
>--
>Joachim Vance

The new 3D look is part of the new AES, which will be part of the disk-based
portion of MultiTOS.  It isn't part of TOS 4.00 (the Falcon's ROM verisons).


Steve
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 18:49:42 EST
From: Jeff McWilliams <JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari marketing was: ding dong.. who's there ? Dr who..

In article <oliver.714758617@damabus>, oliver@damabus.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
(Oliver Meyer) says:
>us, what could be done in the future, but not now. You don't sell
>anything this way.
>

Well, that is ALWAYS being done.  The recent MACWORLD had an article
where the author commented how Apple's CEO talks about Apple computers
understanding human speech, as if Keyboards will be obsolete
real soon now.  The author commented that such talk is fair nonsense,
we don't have that sort of technology just yet.  My point is,
Atari isn't the only people who talk about futuristic visions as if
they were going to be realities next week.
That aside, the rest of your commentary seems pretty valid.

JEFF
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon and A/D
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:53:48 GMT
	<1992Aug27.155705.264@athena.cs.uga.edu>
	<ABADDON.92Aug28111551@suprenum.supr.scm.liv.ac.uk>
	<la1rakINNq1p@aludra.usc.edu>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <la1rakINNq1p@aludra.usc.edu>, Juxtaposer writes:
>In article <ABADDON.92Aug28111551@suprenum.supr.scm.liv.ac.uk> abaddon@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk (Kevin o donovan) writes:
>>>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 15:57:05 GMT, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) said:
>>
>>>  SCSI II (50-pin SCSI II connector)
>>Will a standard SCSI drive plug straight into a SCSI 2 interface (allowing for
>>recabling it)? Would it show any improvement in speed like this?
>
>	Well, as far as plugging a SCSI-1 into a SCSI-2 socket, I was told that
>this is indeed possible, but someone on the net said that the SCSI-2 connector
>on the back of a TT is different.  Now, he has not responded to my questioning
>of this, and no one else has spoken up about this, but I am still pretty sure
>that it is a plug and go proposition as SCSI-2 is completely backward 
>compatable with SCSI-1.  However, this may only refer to the 50-pin 
>implementation.
>
The 50 pin cabling is known as twisted pair ground, and I suspect both SCSI I
and SCSI II are identicaly in this respect. The SCSI II 50 pin connector, 
however, differ from SCSI I 50 pin in that the SCSI II is smaller physicaly. 
Actually it has the same apearance as the 25 pin version of the SCSI I 
connector, but with 50 tiny (easy to break) pins.

>>
>>Kev
>
>-Mike
>

JFM
From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Falcon 
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:37:03 GMT

amos@prl.dec.com (Samos) writes:
>Do you think it is worth buying a falcon ??
>
>

Anyone who attended the Duesseldorf fair know the officially released prices?
The word is $799 US for a 1 Meg version, no monitor, no HD. The one with 65
Meg HD is $1399 US, this one excludes the monitor as well. Any german inputs
on this one?

Sincerely,
Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
From: matheson@open.dal.ca (Steven Matheson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST diskettes from SPARCstation
Summary: SPARCstation diskettes
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:10:10 GMT
Organization: OPEN, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

How do I format/read/write ST compatible diskettes on a Sun SPARCstation?

______________________________________________________________
Steven Matheson                   E-mail: matheson@open.dal.ca
Dept. of Oceanography             Phone: (902) 494-6663
Dalhousie University              FAX:  (902) 494-3877
Halifax, NS CANADA, B3H 4J1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin)
Subject: Printing PostScript from Timeworks DTP
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:23:18 GMT

This probably have been discussed before, but I am having difficulty. Would
appreciate if someonce could provide the right answer.

I am plotting some graphs & then saving those as GEM files with OPUS.
These GEM files are then imported into Timeworks DTP. Timeworks is set
for a PostScript printer. I print to a disk and bring the disk to my
school. When I try to view the postscript file using ghostscript I get
the following message "Error: /undefined in statusdict" followed by
various stack stats. I then removed the ^Ds from the beginning & end of
the PS file. gs now shows the file on the screen. However, only the text
part is shown and no graph lines, including axes are shown. I tried to
send the file to a postscript laser printer. The printer is a Apple Laser
Writer and connected to the school SUN network. When I took the
printout, it is full of PostScript source. Obviously, PS was not
interpreted by the printer. What is wrong here ? Is some header portion
missing ? Do I need to put some header info into PS file ? Suggestions
are welcome. Timeworks is V.1.12 (I think).

Thanks in advance.

- Rahin
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From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Animation on ST?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 12:05:09 EDT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

bcc@lanai.Eyring.COM (Brian Cooper) writes:

> My son is an aspiring artist, but not much for computers, other than for
> playing games.  He recently asked me the age old question, "If the Atari
> is the best computer in the world, why doesn't it do <fill in your own
> favorite activity>?  (He would like to do computer animation.)  The only
> animation I know anything about is an easter egg in NeoChrome version 0.9
> that is too buggy to use.  Oh, and I guess you can do color cycling to
> do some kinds of limited animation.  
> 
> So, what kinds of animation packages are out there?  I'm looking for 
> commercial as well as share/freeware if the price isn't too far out of
> my reach.  Has anyone tried them to see what they are like?  I know that
> I have seen some PC software demoed that is apparently a creation of the
> Walt Disney studios -- makes animation quick and easy.  Does the ST have
> anything like it?
> -- 
> Brian Cooper	bcc@Eyring.COM
> Eyring Corp.	+1 801-375-2434 or 1 800 YES PDOS

You might want to take a look at CyberPaint and Cyber 3D-Cad (both by Antic
Software), Deluxe Paint which is now being distributed by Golden Image with
its optical mouse or the Phase-4 series by Lexicor Software Corp.  These are 
but a few of the anaimation programs available.  They can all be obtained 
from your local Atari dealer.  If you have any problems you can call B & G 
ELECTRONICS 1-216-521-2855  or write 15729 Madison Ave., Lakewood, Ohio
44107.  All of the above programs are currently in stock.
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From: gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett)
Subject: Re: max baudrate?
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:52:51 GMT

This is bizzarre.  The problem you are talking about is the same one I have had
on the Macintosh but not the PC (haven't tried it with my MSTe).  My dial-up
UNIX access to the Internet is at 7-E-1.  When I try to download something from
the unix box to my macintosh, the only protocol that works is Kermit, which 
uses 7-bit bytes so this is fine.  On my PC however, I can use XYZ to get files
even though I am only using 7 data bits. Why is this???

Darren King, GBC, email:: gbcusg.gpu.utoronto.ca
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Digital Stereo 10-Band Graphic Equalizer of the Falcon030 (Using
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 01:24:26 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:

> This is to all people who would like to connect a Digital Stereo 10-Band
> Graphic Equalizer. Document number APR2/D by Motorola deals with this matter
> and can be obtained free of charge from Motorola. You can either call them an
> ask for the document number or you can write to:

I don't understand, with the correct software, you should be able to have a
20 band equalizer (digital) via software with the DSP. Just check out the
DSP page or equalizer page in MAC's Sound Tools... it does it with no hardware.
<X>orcist

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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 4 Sep 1992 14:05:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep4.151149.8953@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:

>As a developer, I'm just curious... how many folks in this newsgroup actually do
>intend to buy a Falcon when (and if) they become readily available at say, about
>US$799 for a 1Mb, _no_ hard drive model (which will _not_ multitask in this 
>configuration)?  How much will a 4Mb, 65Mb HD model cost?  Atari has not released
>pricing info yet but if $799 is about right for the low end, we would surely be
>talking about $1299 or so, don't you think?  And you'll also need a VGA monitor.
>
>So how many _really_ intend to buy one?

	Well, to be honest, I probably will not buy one.  The only reason is
that I have a TT, and it would not make sense to downgrade my processor speed
(and lack of VME, and no separate keyboard) when I won't really be using
the increased sound capabilities or the increased video capabilities.

	The people who would be most attracted to the Falcon should be either
a) musicians, b) first time buyers, c) those who are upgrading from a 520/1040/
1040STe/megaST/MegaSTe(maybe).

	Now a '040 Falcon designed along the lines of a TT would be another 
matter TOTALLY!!

	
>Cheers,
>___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
>_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
>________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
>____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________


-Mike
From: marre@tls-cs.cert.fr (Daniel Marre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST as Develpt Station
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:05:30 GMT
Organization: CERT, CS Dpt. Toulouse, France


    I'm looking for a mean to use ST as a developpement station for a target system for educational use. That is, we want to develop romable programs with pure C and remoteload on the target with an terminal emulator as Uniterm.

    A bad joke is that Uniterm and Pure C are uncompatible so we must quit each one for using the other with fastidious manipulations for a wanted 'easy to use tool'.
    Does any one can help us, perhaps with another terminal emulator or other thing ??
    Thank's for help.


    Daniel.
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DERI-CERT-ONERA - 2 av. E. BELIN - BP 4025 - 31055 Toulouse cedex France
tel. 61.55.71.66    telefax 61.55.71.72   telex 521596 F ONECERT
  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Your Conscience <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac Portable vs. ST Portable
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:19:04 GMT

You can get a Mac Powerbook 100 (not a bad machine really, not real fast, but 
certainly good for wordprocessing) for about $1000.

If you hurry...
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|-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...

  |||        - FRANK ZAPPA for president! "One of his best qualifications is
 / | \         that at least he won't take it seriously." - Jammer
From: virus@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Communications Software
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:16:32 GMT
Reply-To: virus@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Can anyone tell me where I can get communications software that will run on
a 1040ST without a hard drive (just one floppy)?  If there is a shareware or
public domain program available, please tell me where I can get it.  Please
tell me if there is an FTP site or a phone number where I can download.

If not, please tell me where I can get a catalog where I can order this
program.  It has to be able to support Kermit and Xmodem.  Please help -
I haven't found any place in Florida that sells anything for ST.  Please 
respond by E-mail or post.
From: goo@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Michael Goo)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:23:27 GMT
Subject: Re: what DTP packages work in mono?  Moniterm?
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st


Timeworks Desktop Publisher works on a standard monochrome just fine.  If
you've already installed it for color, you will have to reinstall TDP first
or (if you're clever) install the mono GDOS fonts off of the distribution
disks and fool with your ASSIGN.SYS (??) file yourself.

I don't know about moniterm support.

Mike
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New operating systems (OS/2-TOS)
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:02:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: aludra.la0i35INN8ol
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <4278@wet.UUCP> ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes:
>Can someone explain what a heat sink does and how it works?  I get the 
>impression that it provides a larger surface area to the chip so that it
>can dissipate heat faster.  I think I've seen what they look like too;
>it looks kinda like a vent, with the tall ridges.  But how does it work?

	Well, by providing a larger surface area (using very heat conductive 
materials) you allow more heat to be dissapated into the air - since more
air molecules can contact the metal, more air molecules are able to absorb
the heat energy, thus cooling the heat sink, and thus the chip.

>It only looks like it's clamped onto the chip.  And why is it that only,
>at least from what I've heard, 80486 and 68040 chips need these?

	Usually, you only hear of the '486 and the '040 needing them because
a) they have a larger number of transistors per package and thus generate more
heat; b) they are the top of the line processors from each respective company
and thus are usually the targets for the overzealus power freaks who want to
run the chips faster than they are rated for.

>-- 
>   |||    Ed Krimen
>   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
>  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)

-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Dungeon Master
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.123056.16601@aston.ac.uk> wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim) writes:
>Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>: Hmmm..  further thoughts about Dungeon Master..
>: 
>: Did accidentally bump your party into the wall, and find yourself
>: apologizing to them...?
>
>Ever run into a fourth level fireball which you just fired yourself?

I've got that beat by a mile. 

I was on the third (?) level, at the place where you walk up to a door, which
slams shut before you can get through it, then a message on the wall mocks
you with 'None shall pass'. Of course, visible behind a blue transporter/force
field is a treasure chest which I wanted. I hadn't yet figured out that you 
could chop some doors down (but then again, I also didn't know that Altars of
Vi resurrected your characters) so I set to work trying to find a way through
the force field. Eventually, I decided from the descriptions of the magical
syllables in the manual that a spell of FUL IR (FUL, which controls the essence 
of fire, and hey, the field LOOKED kinda firey, and IR, which was the power of
flight) would take the energy from the field, and make it fly away, right?
Wrong. It was, of course, a fireball, which flew into the field, was transported
behind my party, then slammed into them from behind. Now, this being only the
third level, my adventurers were weak enough that even that tiny LO fireball
killed them all. So, a slight setback, but after I restore my game, I had a ball
(excuse the pun) torching everything in sight...

 
-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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"Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore
From: pvf@alantec.com (Paul Fries)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: 1040ST (and more) for sale
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:01:34 GMT
Distribution: ba

FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER...

1040ST w/Monochrome Monitor
Several boxes of assorted stuff
    lots of software
    joysticks and related stuff
    Hippo Sound Digitizer
    (probably more that I cannot remember now)

I haven't touched this stuff in ages.
It is time to get rid of it, so make an offer.
The first offer that doesn't insult me gets all of it.

Please contact me via email at pvf@alantec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Virus detection/elimination software
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:21:43 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange


Try 'VKiller'.  It's English, it's simple, and it recognises all
viruses around.  (No new ones have been reported that I know of since!)

It has a couple of useful features like being able to disable the
Boot-sector, to let you boot with the disk to see if the Boot-Sector
is required or not.  If it isn't, you can kill it.  If it is, you
simply restore it!  

Only recognises Boot-sector viruses - but as link viruses are VERY
rare, that's not too big a problem!  There is an english version of
Sagrotan out there somewhere - it's an older version than the German
one you probably have, but it works just as well!
-- 
        Wells_S@Kosmos.WCC.Govt.NZ     /     Steven.Wells@BBS.Actrix.Gen.NZ 
                   $$$$$$$$ Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre $$$$$$$$
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From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Gemulator (Falcon emulator?)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 11:04:22 GMT


Many people are mailing to say Gemulator is FRAUD if demo video is
showing progrmas running from 100% RAMDISK and people think
Gemulator is faster than real!  Post inspectors will investigate
if FRAUD possible and put crooks in salt mine?

None of Gemulators ads telling of 40% speed with 386 so people will
want MONEYBACK GUARANTY if something like worldclass MIDI software
does not work or is slow like glue.

Regular price of Gemulator is almost SAME PRICE as new $799 Falcons
so BraSoft (Bra__Soft? BrainSoft?!) MUST give moneyback guaranty
to prove it is good!
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: max baudrate?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:39:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


	Hi all,

	Two things that I forgot to add in my listing of problems with
connect.  
	First, when going from reading news (which is ok at 7bit/even parity)
to emacs, it goes back to interpreting 8bit/no parity, so I have to change
the RS232C setings in order to understand what I am emacsing :)

	The second thing is that XYZ does not work when run from the
download option.  It runs XYZ (it shows the starfall stuff, buffer, etc.)
but then it just sits there - no reaction at all.  I left it there for about
five minutes and nothing.  Of course when I cancelled XYZ, it cancelled
sz on the host so it puts me back at the system prompt.

	Does Connect REQUIRE MiNT to run properly?

-Mike (a frustrated, NON-German-speaking telecommunicator)



Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st