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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:05:41 EST
From: Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Teleporter Question
 <gp2001-171192020853@m248-112.bgsu.edu>

In article <gp2001-171192020853@m248-112.bgsu.edu>, gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg
Pallenik) says:


>In article <168A11D6A.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>,
>97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu wrote:
>>
>>     Why do they have transporter pads? They can transport from anywhere to
>> anywhere without standing on a pad, why does it matter? Wouldn't it be
>easier
>> to just do point to point transports?
>>
>> Patrick

>Pat,

>I don't own a tech manual or anything so this is purely a guess on my part.
> I think the pad acts as a collector.  It's help keep the beam together.
>While it's possible to not use it, it's safer when you do (maybe it's more
>like a condom...)

Close (I think...I don't have a tech manual either)...If I had to guess,
site to site transport evolved from transporting, say from the planet to the
transporter, and then transporting back to somewhere else on the planet.
(two separate steps - *two* transports) Site to site might just be buffering
the stream at the transporter between the two sites to save time.  (rather
than re-materializing them in the transporter room, then de-materializing
them to thier second destination.) So, using the transporter pads would save
energy and some time.  I guess it's like using the stairs instead of the
elevator...

What bugs me is when someone gets hurt, and the med teams have to *run* from
the other side of the ship to help, and then put them on a stretcher to get
them to sickbay.  I think they should transport the injured direct to
sickbay, where there are lots of doctors, equipment, etc...Am I expecting
too much?

Jeff Payne
Penn State Ogontz Campus              |Bitnet:   JSP6@PSUVM
Computer Assisted Learning Center     |Internet: payne@toto.oz.psu.edu
"What else have you done? Telekinesis? Teleportation? Spontaneous
 combustion of someone you don't like? That sort of thing..."
       -Q to Amanda in "True Q", ST-TNG
From: discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why do the feds not use / carry cloaking devices?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:00:11 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Nov16.223948.27440@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> dmeacham@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (David M. Meacham) writes:
>In the FASA Star Trek-The Role Playing Game, Prolonged exposure
>to a cloaking device has unpredictible and quite possibly
>debilitating or fatal results on living organisms.  Besides,
>what conflicts can the writers make up if the Enterprise can
>just sneak by any enemies?
>
>	David Meacham
>	A.k.a Enterprise
>	Hottest decker on the grid and lord of The Matrix BBS
>
>(Need to come up with a signature, dont'cha think?)

Here's the Joe Discar rational of why cloaking devices aren't on Fed
ships:

     If shields are a wave of energy put about a ship to repel objects 
     like meteors, debris, and what not, then a shield could nullify the
     affect of a cloaking device... somewhat like the invisible man
     wearing plate armor--you may not be able to see the man, but you'd
     be able to detect the armor.

     So, the only rational explanation for a "cloaked ship" is that the
     ship must have to turn their shields off to avoid detection.  For
     the Federation, this would be an unacceptable risk for crew and ship,
     for the Romulans and Klingons, hey, it's a warrior advantage worth
     the risk...


BTW, the Federation may have cloaked ships (they never really say that
they don't).  But none of their main-line ships do.

-> Joe <-
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From: amay3@mach1.wlu.ca (andrew may)
Subject: Quality of Life question.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:57:55 GMT

 I was wondering if anyone heard the name of the transporter operator in
the latest episode. I heard the last name: Kelso. I am curious to know if a
first name was mentioned and what it was.

 Thanks.

 - andrew
   amay3@mach1.wlu.ca
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From: ruthc@sco.COM (cross index)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "A Fistful of Datas" SPOILERS!
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:08:45 GMT


In article <1992Nov14.211913.339@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>SPOILERS AHEAD for "A Fistful of Datas"

>
>I liked it.  God help me, I liked it.  

so did I!
 
>And the reason I liked it is that this is one of the first TNG episodes
>that has been made almost purely for laughs, and there were MANY points
>that had me laughing...I'll list a few here:
>
>Worf's rather odd way of asking for the day off.

now wait just a minute there.  I got the impression that Worf was
trying to get the captain to agree to some extra work so that he
could AVOID going to the holodeck with Alexander...

>Data's Western slips in the outside world

yeah!
 
>And it was nice to see Denise Crosby back in a guest role....she seems to
>have lost quite a lot of weight though, but you can tell it's her as she's
>still jumping all over Data.....:)

huh?!?!  guess I'll have to watch it again!!

-r
-- 
"I gave davidv 25 cents for a line he said in isis staff today comparing
 software to drugs, 'that first line of code is free...'"                -ruthc
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From: 92bbb@williams.edu (Bradford Behr)
Subject: Re: Communicators?
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:25:36 GMT

<< various theories on how communicator "paging delay" might be
circumvented -- deleted >>

In article <1egt6aINN52m@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>Oh Come on!  This is by far the most ridiculous discussion so far!
...
>Don't you guys have any creativity at all or must you take
>absolutely everything literially?
>Jeesh!

Au contraire! (as Jean-Luc might or might not exclaim)

Creativity is exactly what  we're exercising here -- trying to explain
or justify facets of the Trek universe that don't appear to quite make
sense. It's recreational exercise for the old grey cells. I would
certainly agree that flaming the show because of these inconsistencies
("Duh! TNG is so stupid because...") is a waste of bandwidth, but the
exchange of ideas resolving these inconsistencies is a worthwhile
pursuit. (IMHO)

But perhaps we should move this over to rec.startrek.tech, so that
those of you not interested in such mental exercise can avoid it. :)

Brad
From: kunze@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: FFoD GEOGRAPHICAL NONSENSE
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:09:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Nov16.180934.1
Organization: Auburn University, AL

QUASI-SPOILERS AHEAD
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Hmm, for a holodeck that goes to such trouble to be historically accurate,
I got a *big* kick out of the map in Sheriff Worf's office...

It's a *CURRENT* state map of the state of Arizona!
Just look for I-8 and I-10 clearly visible along the bottom of the state!
Looks like they took a Arizona Highway Department map and sprayed over it
with dust/gold paint to make it look old.

Seeing those Interstates was really a weird thing...

Anyway, Deadwood was in the Dakota Territory, not Arizona Terr.
Note where they mention the marshall coming from "Rapid City", which is
also in Dakota!!!

Well, I guess we shouldn't expect geographical expertise from TNG staff
any more than we expect it from Americans at large :-)

Dave.
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's accent
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:49:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: wsuvm1.168A3DE89.97994779
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING

csi056@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WEG) writes:
 
accent.  So then to answer the question as to why Picard is a Frenchman
with an English accent.  (I believe someone already mentioned this, so this
is mearly in agreement with that person).  Simple he learned English either
in Britian, or from a British tutor.  And with some effort he managed to
get rid of any French accent he may have had.  Of course you'll notice so
had his brother and nephew, in Family.  So with all this one-worldness of
24th cent. earth, and the fact that English seems to have become the
universal language.  Dialects still seem to remain the same.  I would imagine
that in such a "one-world" universal atmosphere, English dialects would have
merge themselves into much more of a single dialect.  Look at what television
has done to the many dialects in the US today.  While we still to have strong
regional dialects, we are seeing them become more flattened out, and sound
more like American TV English with the younger generations.  My guess is that
by the 24th cent. dialects would have merge together much more then we are
seeing on TNG.  Although maybe with all of the openness of accepting other
cultures, speaking your own dialect was encouraged rather then a standard
dialect taught in the schools.
 
I am sorry, but I think we are ignoring the obvious!! Look at the USA. We have
people with entirely Chinses names who have lived her for generations, and
they speak perfect english with an American accent. Why is it so impossible to
imagine that Jean-Luc's parents or grand-parents or great-great-grandparents
moved to England and that Jean-Luc never lived in France? The idea that the
French of modern earth gave up francais is totally rediculous! I think the expl
anation is just that simple. Jean-Luc is an englishman of french descent, no
more, no less!
 
Patrick at WSU
Est-ce que tu etudes francais?
 
 
 
 
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From: Susan_Schnitger@amicol.UUCP (Susan Schnitger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 2 questions about Quality of Life
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:26:43 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Two points:
  
First, would anyone like to explain why, if the whole "crisis" in this 
episode was that they were unable to beam Picarc and LaForge OUT 
of the station, their solution was based on (successfully, and 
apparently with no out-of-the-routine steps) beaming the exocomps 
INTO the station?  In other words, why was the disruption in the 
transporter activity only one way?
  
Second, since when are they supposed to have developed this 
over arching reverence for LIFE, pure and simple?  Remember, Data 
first objected to what's-her-name's using the exocomps during some 
routine task, simply because they were alive, not because they 
were intelligent or in any danger.
   
So what?  They have FREQUENTLY used living things to suit their 
purposes.  In fact, they frequently KILL living things.  How 
about each time Crusher injects an antibiotic into someone?  The 
entire purpose of antibiotics is to kill off bacteria, which meet 
every definition of being alive that I have ever read.  If those 
are too low on the scale for you to consider, how about plants?  
What about all those plants that are being "exploited" in the 
ship's gardens or kept "captive" in Crusher's and O'Brien's 
quarters?  Just two episodes ago no one seemed ethically upset by 
the fact that Keiko spent a shoreleave ruthlessly "kidnapping" 
botanical specimens.  How are they less than alive?  Or, if you 
restrict this tenderness for life to animals only, how about the 
time that Riker made the poker gang an omelet using a real egg?  
Eggs are alive.  What about that poor old fish imprisoned in that 
absurdly tiny cell in Picard's ready room?  How about Picard's 
horseback riding?  (In this particular instance, of course, it 
was a holo-horse -- but I find it hard to believe that he didn't 
gain his expertise in the course of riding, thus USING, real 
horses before he had access to a holodeck.)  Did Data ask Spot's 
permission before he brought him aboard the ship and reduced his 
universe to within the walls of Data's quarters?
  
Nope, it won't wash.  The Federation simply doesn't have some 
"Thou shalt not use living things" rule.
  
Data's objection should have been to the use-without-consent of 
what he suspected were SELF AWARE beings.  Slavery is the moral 
issue here, not some fuzzy "all life is untouchable" reverence.


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From: xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Beards vs. Make-up
Summary: Are beards an 'affectation'?  (no)
Date: 22 Nov 92 06:42:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Nov22.114245.2638
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

re: Recent episode of Star Trek where Dr. Beverly Crusher says that beards are
an "affectation" comparable to the wearing of makeup by women.

It's funny, I've never had to actually *do* anything in order to have a
beard... it grows all by itself, just like the hair on top of my head.  Unless
I am willing to go through the daily ritual of scraping my face with a steel
blade, I will have a beard, like it or not.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that SHAVING is the "affectation"? 

I think the one similarity between beards and makeup is that each of these
things is more popular with the sex that wears it than with the opposite sex,
but I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot more men who don't like makeup
than there are women who don't like beards... ;)

- xenon
From: rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard
Date: 14 Nov 1992 22:33:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <JwquTB4w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla) writes:
>Can someone tell me if Picard married and had children?
>What happened to them?
>
>Arun Bhalla
>
>--
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>Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.

	They died 1000 years ago.
				-Bob

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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: the sixth season....
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:17:02 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Justin N Maki (maki@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>	The shows seemed to have gotten "less STTNG".  Data's insubordination
>was corny this time, and a little 'un-data-like'.  And then, Picard's comments
>about how Data disregarded the lives of his crewmembers for a "hunch"?

I disagree that Data's act was un-data-like, since it was explained.  As
for Picard's response, it too was reasonable given the situation and
characters (IMHO).

>Also, why in the heck did Data have to go talk to Crusher about the 
>definition of life?  

As has been mentioned a number of times in a number of different situations,
Data is trying to be `human', so often seeks the advice of humans regarding
points that confuse him in human behavior.  Data's problem was `what is
life', and the person that seems to be best suited to answer that quesiton
would be one trained to deal with and support life - a doctor.  She must
make these decisions from time to time, so might have a good feel for
the definitions.  As he mentioned, he had read up on card games, but 
playing poker was a little different than just what the rules said.

Mark Runyan {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: The Quality of Life
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:40:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov20.054008.26225
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <Bxx12D.FtB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>You're complaining that he keeps his cool and doesn't panic? I'd say that
>would make a GREAT Chief Engineer.
>
  S'pose I should have made that point a bit clearer.  I wasn't complaining
  that Geordi keeps his cool.  I was complaining that he never seems to be more
  than circumstantially affected by things going on around him.  There's a
  difference.  It can be illustrated thus:  I get into a car wreck.  I'm shaken
  and sweating.  Adrenaline is pouring through my system.  However, I keep
  my head after the collision and avoid smearing a nearby pedestrian as my car
  leaves the road and I remain alive.  Now, Geordi gets into a car wreck:
  He calmly adjusts the angle of his steering wheel, handily avoiding every-
  thing, while at the same time he makes sure all the dashboard dials are 
  working correctly.  When the car finally comes to rest, he does "the Picard
  Manoeuvre" and carries on his merry way.  

  Sure, it's possible to be effective and efficient, but I have great dif-
  ficulty accepting this sort of detached behaviour from a human (especially
  given the portrayal of Geordi in the first four seasons).  Data, yes.
  Geordi, nope.

  This is all IMHO, of course, but that's how I see Geordi's character (from
  the fifth and sixth seasons, anyway):  thin and unrealistic.  Your mileage 
  will vary.
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From: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Subject: Re: Deanna's smoking attempt
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:27:56 GMT

The reason that she did not inhale is that she quit some time ago.
Both she and Brent went to the same hypnotist to stop smoking.  I
know Brent wasn't successful (boo-hiss, this is my opinion about
smoking here folks, I'm allergic to the smoke, so it's understandable) 
although I have no idea about Marina.  It's possible that she was
able to quit and didn't want to inhale as that might get her started
again.  This is merely speculation

Jeff Hitchin
jhitch@crash.cts.com

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From: jzarin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jason Zarin)
Subject: Qual of Life Top Ten!!! (spoilers)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:44:34 GMT

Is it alive or is it a spoiler?

This list isn't one of my best, but I have been busy growing a beard
and it's been taking up most of my concentration :-)

So from the beautiful economics department in scenic smog-free Los
Angeles ...


Top Ten Signs That Data's Becoming A Liability
----------------------------------------------

10. Dripping oil under his station.

 9. When Geordi reattached Data's head, he had some left over parts he
    didn't know what to do with.

 8. Data's "full fuctionality" and superhuman speed has resulted in
    the deaths of some female crewmembers.

 7. Spot now has unsightly borg-implants.

 6. 6-year 60,000 light year warranty almost expired.

 5. Is it just me, or does Data's burning desire to be a human seem eerily
    like the obsession of the serial killer in "Silence of the Lambs?"

 4. Data keeps making lewd remarks and giving lecherous looks to the
    washing machines.

 3. Data's HAL imitation is no longer funny.  And since he's refused
    to stop it, it's darn right eerie!

 2. Life aboard the Enterprise is no longer as pleasant since Data
    led an armed insurrection to free the food replicators from slavery.

 1. Since Data's affected the holodeck, Riker's holodeck "simulations"
    are no longer very stimulating!

------
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the works, so don't fret!

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Subject: U of Penn or Villanova?? Write!
From: mfbertke@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Mary Bertke....Gwen MacThaidhg)
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:34:27 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Hi.  If you're from U of Penn. or Villanova, I need to talk to you.  Please
E-mail me.  I want to have some fun messing with the mind of a professor-
friend of mine.  Email me Mfbertke@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Thanks!   -mary
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From: gkatz@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG has gone down the toilet!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.150625.5654@desire.wright.edu> dstuart@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	ST:TNG has finally lost all creativity.  I swear,
>all the episodes are either a holodeck adventure, the crew gets possessed,
>or the teleporter solves the problem.  And I wish they could find a new
>look for aliens other than that "cheezier than hell" energy sphere that
>floats around until it decides to possess a crew member.  And how many
>possible characters can Brent Spiner play?  Don't get me wrong, he is
>one of the best actors on the show, but pleeeeze.  Off hand I can think
>of Data, Lor, Dr. whathisface (Data's creator), various and sundry Varmits
>in "AFFOD" (if you guys know of any more post them).  AND FOR ONCE CAN THE
>WRITERS LET WORF WIN AT LEAST ONE FIGHT.  Also, how many times can Yar
>be incorprated back into the plot after she is dead?  She can hardly act
>as it is, why do they keep bringing her back? I'm finished, Flame at
>will.
>
>					STU

Bravo! Bravo! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Here are more ST:TNG cliches I can do without:

Q being a pest.
Wesley appearing just in time to save the day, again.
Alexander, period.
Lwaxana Troi in a horny mood.
Riker in a horny mood.
Data trying to act human.

gkatz

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From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Picard
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:10:11 GMT

In article <1e3ur4INN4gf@mozz.unh.edu>
rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:
 
>
>In article <JwquTB4w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla) writes:
>>Can someone tell me if Picard married and had children?
>>What happened to them?
>>
>>Arun Bhalla
>>
>>--
>>abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla)
>>Infoplus BBS, +1 708 537 0247, v32bis. Home of Infoplus.
>
>        They died 1000 years ago.
>                                -Bob
>
>--
 
Bob, that was mean---what if he hadn't seen the show?  :-)  :-)
 
You had me laughing at the prospect of someone reading your post right after
reading Arun's post, and not having seen the episode where he's married and
has two kids.  :-)
 
Anyone know the name of the episode in question?  I never remember them.
Ellie
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