From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Changing the odds
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:58:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.034108.2589@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:
>
>2) The real gist of my point was in meeting people without going out of one's
>way (though it doesn't seem you are). 
Again, I say that this is just fine for somebody, like, say my brother
the barber/hair-stylist.  He comes in contact with several women on a daily
basis in the course of his work. He does not have to go out of his way to
meet them, he meets them by "default"..... not so with a techie.
>
>4) The first three probably occurred to you anyway.  Something that might not
>have would be to find a new passion, or channel a current one into an
>unexpected area.  
Does this not mean going out of my way?  If I ammended my list of favorite
activities in order to meet more women, would that not constitute meeting
women when I _am_ looking for them, as opposed to meeting them when I am
_not_ looking for them (ie., by default_?
>
>Consider this: you list a number of male-dominated activities you like.  If you
>are such a fitness nut, are you in an aerobics class?  I'm going to assume you
>are not.  I am also going to make some other assumptions: you ruled it out
>without even really giving it a thought because it is too wimpy, or for women,
>or the women in it will assume you are there to hit on them (ignore the fact
>that you are :)).  Let me offer that you could possibly find aerobics just as
>much fun as some of your other fitness activites, by changing some of those
>assumptions (pretend they really are yours).  For example, if you've ever done
>(or even watched) aerobics, particularly those that throw in a lot of cal, you
>realize it can be a real work-out.  Men like to have fun too.  If you keep your
>attention (and eyes) on your work-out, the others will realize you are there
>for the aerobics.  
>
I have been in an aerobics class before.  I know that is can be a good workout.
The fact is that as far as training goes, I do very well on my own, thank you.
I see no need to spend maybe $500 bux/year to join a club in order to join
an aerobics class, in order to get into the same shape that I can get myself
into for free.  If I _were_ to join an aerobics class then, It would be solely
in order to meet women.  Would that not constitute going out of my way
(ie., _looking_, as opposed to meeting folx by default)?
>
>So, my point is not that you should join an aerobics class, it could be cooking
>or whatever; it is to try to think of something you could honestly enjoy that a
>lot of women like, and then make a sincere effort to get into it, ignoring that
>the initial impetus for choosing the activity was to meet women.  This idea
>will give you an opportunity to dive into some of those things you've always
>wanted to try, but might have ignored because you are a man -- like those cute,
>pink leotards at the hoisery shop.
>
>-- 
> Andy Harrington                      | nin15b63@merrimack.edu
> Computer Geek                        | aharrington@ldbvax.lotus.com
> Merrimack College, North Andover, MA | I'm too sexy for this network.

Andy,
You make my point for me!  If the initial impetus for chosing an activity
is to meet women, then does that not mean that you are _looking_ to meet
women, rather than meeting women when you are _not_ specifically looking
to meet them.  As for my other activities, there is no law that says that
women may not do those things that I do, but the simple fact is that not
very many (%age-wise) do.  Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the theory
about meeting folx when you are _not looking_ is so much "bubkiss".

Keith R