Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Legislation of morality
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:34:31 EST
Distribution: usa

tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
> steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
> 
> People do want a cure to be found.
> 
> Let's refine your analogy.  I park in a neighborhood that looks
> safe, but actually there is a car stealing ring stealing about
> 2-3 cars a night.  The police don't want to make it public because
> it might give their neighborhood a bad reputation.  My car gets
> stolen.
> 
> Do I want simpathy?  Well, yeah.  But what I really want is
> for posters to be put up all over that warn people about the
> problem.  I want all car drivers, and even those who don't, to
> know.  People that don't drive should find out so they can
> protect their friends, and they should get educated so they
> have the CORRECT information so they don't panic and think that
> this car ring is also rapeing people.

that's fine. lessee...we've got commercials on TV every hour, 
pamphlets mailed out all over the place, celebrities mentioning AIDS 
any & every time they possibly can, lots of talk about it in schools 
(i got the AIDS speech in 7th grade. i fail to see why it's important 
before puberty anyway...)

AND WE DON'T HAVE AIDS EDUCATION?? what do you call this? chopped liver?

> I know people that do treatment for PWAs.  90% of the people
> they treat are minority women who got it from their boyfriend
> or IV drug use AND NONE OF THEM THOUGHT THEY COULD GET AIDS.

hmm. seems to me you can get pregnant & STDs from sex & all sorts of 
nasty things from dirty needles. sure, it's only "someone taking your
car out for a joyride & denting it up a bit" compared to AIDS.
the fact remains that unless you're stone ignorant it's pretty hard
to ignore the fact that drug use and unprotected sex are pretty
darn dangerous.

i'm sure one day AIDS will be cured & then we can go back to ignoring
things like "ordinary" STDs, 'cause the effects aren't quite as dramatic
& people who suffer from them don't exactly have any political
lobbies in place...

> The radical right and even the moderates have worked to stop
> HIV education in schools.  The government's "America Responds
> To AIDS" commercials refuse to MENTION condoms!  The local
> prison spends THOUSANDS of dollars on AZT, and $0 for condoms
> (I spoke to someone running for sherif last night).

that is horrible. remember, i never suggested we not worry about
prevention. it'll always be easier than a cure, eh?

> Get a clue.

got one. and the clue read, "education is worthless if you don't
change your ways. and if you don't know about AIDS by now your living 
in a cave."

> Name one activist that does that.  Name them.  Fax me any ACT UP
> flyers that request that kind of thing.  Send me email if you want
> my fax number.

sorry, i send silly articles like that to /dev/null. most of the
politics/activism/alt.lifestyles groups will have at least a
few of that type. of course, the net sees all kinds, so apologies
if i implied that -all- activists are like that. i -do- keep
hearing yells of "the administration isn't doing enough" & find
that rather puzzling considering the amount of money we're spending
on finding a cure.

jason

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