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From: hani@borage.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: AlpaLeb V 1.0
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 18:19:39 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@borage.engin.umich.edu


In article <NMOUAWAD.92Oct5151412@neumann.waterloo.edu>, nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.141626.14842@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout) writes:
> 
>    Naji,
>    I agree, definition of Language vs. Dialect has a major part in politics. [......]
>    rached
> 
> 
> You know what Khaled, I must thank you for your style and moderation.

It is funny how in all your articles you have not mentioned any names,
yet when you did, you mentioned Khaled's name (mistakenly) instead of 
Rached's.
I wonder why?

> It is making this conversation extreemly pleasant.
> 
> yeslam temmak !
> 
> 
> As far as our conversation goes, I would like to clarify one point:
> 
> I don't hate the Arabic language nor do I hate Arabs. I strongly
> believe that one's actions speak more than one's denominations or
> labels, after all labels and denominations have a lot to do with the
> continuation of the Lebanese crisis.
> 
> Having said that, and putting all political claims on the side, I wish
> we could all exchange some our ideas in another language than English.
> 
> So how about I speak to you in Lebanese and you answer me in Arabic.

I think this Is a politically motivated move, otherwise why is it
soooo important for you not to speak in Arabic?

> Would that be an acceptable compromise and maybe a start of a bridge ?

I have doubts about this communication scheme.  see below.
> 
> naji

Here is a chronological order of how you are communicating with "others":

 in Article: 6623 of soc.culture.lebanon you say:
>It does come as no surprise that someone would react rather bluntly to
>our proposal                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 
and in Article: 6657 of soc.culture.lebanon
>To those of you who had (kindly :) ) mentioned Qalam, I would like to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 and in Article: 6659 of soc.culture.lebanon
>To those of you accusing us of a "ploy" of "isolasionim" and of
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>"destroying the richness of our culture":


 and in Article: 6664 of soc.culture.lebanon
[.....]
>Let those of you who believe in Arabism prove me wrong, not in words
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>... in action
              
I wonder who are those "Those"? 
Hmmmmm.
-Hani 

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From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: The "ploy" w-shu kamen ?
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<1992Oct5.084129.3434@ulrik.uio.no> <Bvopop.EwI@ecf.toronto.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:13:06 GMT



Hello Samir,

  I guess we have a misunderstanding here...

  I do not wish to deprive you or any one else from your
perception/useage of Lebanese. As I said earlier the distinction
between a "dialect" and a "language" is always political and never
linguistic.

  I am merely saying that for me and for others this may not be
enough. We are not talking of "replacement" we are talking of
"addition" so that you can continue to be who you are and what you
believe in and we can find ways to express our view of our identity.

 I will stop here. Maybe I am still misunderstanding your view-point.
If such is the case, please correct any misconceptions I may have in
my post.

looking forward to read you.

naji.
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From: medawar@prism.poly.edu (Bassem Medawar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: al-lugha al-@arabiyya, wa-qiimatuha
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:23:34 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <1992Oct3.130415.25233@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>ara anna al-kathiira min ukhwaanina al-@arabi, al-lubnaaniyyuna minhum
>khaSattan @ala haadhihi al-shabakati, yakhaafuuna ana ba@Da al-aHruf
>al-Laatiniyya sa-tudhiilu majdahum aw karaamatahum.
>
>limaadha?
[..]
>elie wardini

You mean "limaaz^a" or limaazha", no?

There is no "dh" in the AlephLeb v.1 proposal :)

bassem
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From: hani@borage.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif)
Subject: Re: Ambassadors' names
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:38:34 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: hani@borage.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Sep29.182247.2502833@locus.com>, jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
> In article <j1z-cL_@engin.umich.edu> hani@pepper.engin.umich.edu (Hani Abinassif) writes:
> >
> >In article <1992Sep28.050433.2459669@locus.com>, jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
> >> In article <92270.164616U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> >> >Here's an example:  The Russian ambassador is: Niko Balakhoff
> >> >                    The German ambassador is : Shlakhto Btakhto
> >> >                    The Chinese ambassador is: Shim Tizi Shim
> >> 
> >> 		     The Soviet Gorby:  Gerrbo w shoof
> >> 		     The Qatari :  Kilmabisto Al Tany
> >> 		     Naif Hawatmi (PFLP D) : Hatif Hawajbo.
> >> 		     Saddam : Bumper
> >> 
> >> jle
> >
> >This humor (if it is!) is not only distastefull, redundant and
> >boring, but also out of context.  
> >If bored try This STANDUP rehersal infront of a mirror for our
> >sake:-)
> >-Hani
> 
> F**K off Hani, and try to be SPORE (as we say in MY COUNTRY Lebanon) next time.
> 
> jle

I hate to inject this remark into the flow of the discussion
about Alphaleb, but your insensitivity promoted me to do so.
You are trying so hard to hide your abusive use of words behind
a polite gesutre of using **, while in fact it is a shortcoming
of even spelling words correctly (SPORE???)...

The previous message was not intended to you only.  That humor
IS a product of bad taste.
-hani 
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Bill Clinton's message to CLAO and Lebanese Americans
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:53:42 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO Monday Sep. 28, 1992
------------------------------

Democratic presidential hopeful, Bill Clinton, issued a statement
to the American Lebanese community through the Council of Lebanese
American Organizations (CLAO). This letter is dated September 27.
It is the second letter from Governor Clinton in 10 days. Here are
excerpts:

Senator Gore and I extend to you our warmest greetings.

Lebanese-Americans have played a great role in the history of the
United States, with major achievements in medicine, business, law,
government and the arts. All Americans have watched with sadness
the tragic war in Lebanon and now join together in a renewed hope
that peace will soon return to that troubled land. 
As the Lebanese work to rebuild their country and reinvigorate Lebanon's
democratic traditions, their determinations resonates in the hearts 
of Americans. For we have not forgotten our own war of the past century
and the effort it took to rebuild our nation.

As we address the issue in this campaign, Senator Gore and I are 
closely following Lebanon's struggle to establish democracy. The recent 
parliamentary elections in Lebanon cannot be considered free and fair. 
No international observers were allowed, and virtually the entire
election system was flawed. There are some 40,000 Syrian troops
occupying Lebanon. The resulting boycott by large parts of the Christian 
community has further rendered the election results unrepresentative.
Obviously, the withdrawal of Syrian troops is essential to Lebanon's
regaining its independence.

If a more representative government is formed, it should be possible
for the United States to support that government and enhance
its independence through such steps as restoration of consular services
and an Agency for International Development mission, and provision
of targeted economic development assistance. I look forward to working with
Lebanese-Americans to help make Lebanon's dream of a new era of peace,
prosperity and democracy a reality.

Our campaign has stressed the importance of every American. We feel kinship
with a Lebanese-American community that has always maintained a traditional
respect for the institutions of community and family - keystones of the
American experience - and that has always placed a premium on educating
the next generation in order to ensure a bright future...

This election is very important to all Americans... Through your dedication 
to the priciples of constitutional democracy and your faith in America's
future, you have made the Lebanese-American community a vital force
in our society and an inspiration to all Americans.
 
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Ambassadors' names
Organization: UiO
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:47:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.130838.24428@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie
I. Mourad) writes:
>
>Grow up guys.
>
>

I'd give a leg and a hand to become a child again!  ;)  :(

elie wardini
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From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Arabic aphabet news reader
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<NMOUAWAD.92Oct5151929@neumann.waterloo.edu>
	<5OCT199220372128@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:01:33 GMT



Alex you missed my point:

if you are writing in the Arabic alphabet and wrote: "k,t,b" and as
Rached suggested we try and map this back into an Asccii based
alphabet such as Alphaleb how you do map this one back without a good
knowledge of the context ? Is it "kataba" or "kotiba" ?

naji.
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: oSSa asiire @an l-asad wil-weewe
Organization: UiO
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:38:54 GMT

eel shu, fi nhaar soKin l-asad w-ma @eed fi yruuH yitSayyad ta yeekol.

shu eem @imil? raaH a@ad bi-mghaarto, w-@azam n-nees ta yijo yiTolbuulo
bish-shafa.

w-hayk kil ma ija Hadan w-feet @a-maghaarit l-asad bi-uum l-asad byeeklo.

dallo hayk l-asad kam yawm, ta ija l-weewe ta yiTloblo bil-shafa.

eem l-weewe w-Tal min beeb l-maghaara w-SaraKlo lal-asad allo: saleemtak!

bi-uum l-asad bi-jeewbo: fuut, ma@laysh. tfaDDal, ahla w-sahla!

la! bi-'illo l-weewe, ma badde fuut rah dalne hawn.

laysh? b-yis'alo l-asad.

walla walla, bi-rid l-weewe, ana sheeyif kil hal da@seet feeyte la-@indak, bass
mish sheeyif wala da@se Taal@a! eh, ana ma badde wala fuut wala iTla@!



elie wardini
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Ambassadors' names
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:08:50 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Oct02.154646.12451@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.133841.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.152734.28279@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>> I got one more from a shy person who does not want to post it. I will
>>> post it instead.
>>> 
>>> Iranian Ambassador:  Hafez Bidat Allah
>>> 
>>
>>I tkink more than one message asked our fellow lebanese or whatever to kindly
>>stop. it looks like the insensitivity of others continue
>>						A. fardoun
>>> 
>>> -- 
> 
> For your own information, I posted this article before anybody protested 
> these postings. And for your own information those people who are protesting
> this kind of language on SCL used a much more abusive language on this net
> few months ago. Does "hehehehe"  ring a bell? 
Thanks for your information
first I did not read the more abusive language; secondly if others wrote
abusive language does not mean that you have to write one.
> -- 
> Nabil Idriss                      
A. fardoun
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From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Guerrilla attacks said to kill three pro-Israeli militia officials
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 00:28:10 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

[ Article crossposted without permission ]
[ Author was UPI ]
[ Posted on Sun, 4 Oct 92 9:10:17 PDT ]

	SIDON, Lebanon (UPI) -- Muslim guerrillas staged twin attacks Sunday
on the pro-Israeli South Lebanon Army militia in southern Lebanon,
killing at least three high-ranking militia security officials, security
and militia sources said.
	Fighters of the Islamic Resistance Movement, the military arm of the
pro-Iranian Hezbollah, detonated a bomb at an SLA post in the Beit
Yahoun passageway at the edge of Israel's self-proclaimed ``security
zone,'' the sources said.
	Islamic Resistance sources said all SLA militiamen manning the post
were killed or wounded.
	Later, the Muslim fighters bombed a car carrying SLA security
officials near Beit Yahoun crossing point, killing at least three of
them, the sources said.
	The three slain officials were identified as Hussein Abdel Nabi, 30,
Ali Khali, and Hussein Farhat, 28. The sources said Fawzi Al Saghir,
better known as Jalbout, was seriously wounded in the attack and taken
to a hospital in the Christian town of Marjeyoun inside the border zone.
	The Islamic Resistance has blamed Abdel Nabi, who joined the SLA
ranks in 1978, for capturing, torturing and killing a great number of
resistance guerrillas. It said he was ``the number one agent for the
Israeli intelligence service in southern Lebanon.''
	SLA security sources confirmed the attacks. They said in the bombing
at Beit Yahoun passageway, ``two people were killed and two others were
wounded.'' The sources said the wounded were ``two SLA security
officials in the central sector of southern Lebanon.''
	Security sources said ``as a result of the twin attack a firefight
broke out between the strugglers and Israeli troops in the area.'' No
casualties were yet reported.
	In retaliation, Israeli artillery stationed inside the border zone
pounded the Shiite villages of Tibnin, Hadatha, Tibnit, Haris and Yater,
the sources said. One civilian in Yater was killed in the shelling.
	Israel established the security zone in 1985 to curb cross-border
guerrilla infiltration attempts. Some 1,000 Israeli servicemen and the
2,500-member SLA patrol the 9-mile border enclave.

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From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's message to CLAO and Lebanese Americans
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:42:33 GMT

Hi Fellow Netters

I read with great astonishment the letter of Mr. Clinton addressed to the
Lebaneese-American community of US. 
Why I was surprised ? I thought that Lebaneese-Americans are not that influential
in US. This letter proved me wrong. Congratulations to you.

But the thing that drew my attention was the mentioning of "a not fair" election
because of the presence of "about" 40,000 Syrian troops in Lebanon. Mr. Clinton
forgot to mention the presence of Israeli troops in Lebanon and the closing of
the passages to prevent people from the south of southern-lebanon (Israeli
security zone) to participate in the elections. Mr. Clinton is either ignorant,
misinformed or an excellent politician.

IMHO, Mr. Clinton is an excellent politician. It is apparent from his letter that
he would like to secure a much votes as he can. The Lebaneese-American community
is by far a Christian community. Muslims in that community are a minority and not
as influential as their christian couterparts. Thus Mr. Clinton, to secure the
maximum votes must "youdaghdigh" play according to the emotions of the majority.
Still a more influential group is the jewish lobby on which Mr. Clinton is
counting very much. That's why, although Mr. Clinton affirms that the elections
were unfair does not mention or imply the Israeli role in making that election
unfair. 

Dear Lebaneese-Americans, I hope you will not be mislead by the rhethoric that
Mr. Clinton is voicing in this election year. You should remember that Clinton
and Carter are from the same party and thus execute the same policies. What did
Carter benefit Lebanon ? Did he put LEBANON'S interests above everything or did
he do the same as BUSH is doing now, playing with Lebanon as one of his cards ?

CLAO, has the duty to inform Mr. Clinton about the Israeli role in Lebanon and
their massacres inthe human and economic sectors, otherwise they will be giving
him a distorted picture of Lebanon which will only contribute to chaos in the US
policy in Lebanon "if Mr. Clinton becomes a president".


rached
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From: hyper@ecf.toronto.edu (Hypersonic CFD Combust Diag)
Subject: Re: AlpaLeb V 1.0
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.235941.26105@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
>Naji Mouawad (nmouawad@waterloo.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: So how about I speak to you in Lebanese and you answer me in Arabic.
>
>You must be kidding, right?
>--

Wow, Ayman....I thought two days ago you said that it was purely scientific
and you saw no political maneuvers in it!!!! :)))))

It was certain that you would come around!!! :))))

Samir
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 09:29:03 PST
From: Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: s.c.l. poll (was Re: Bill Clinton meets with CLAO in NJ.)
 <1992Oct2.132026.9197@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>
 <Oct05.165252.99892@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
 <1992Oct6.093951.15922@ulrik.uio.no>

In article <1992Oct6.093951.15922@ulrik.uio.no>,
e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) says:
>
>Dear American citizens, you should realize that your country is a super power.
>Whether you want it or not, your country is involved in much of what happens
>in
>the world. THis is a price that super powers have to pay for being such.
>
>Moreover, your successive adiminstrations have actively at times and less
>actively at others, involved itself in the matters of other countries.
>
>Being a super power, it is expected of the USA to get involved.
>
>Yet, this involvement has not always been to the good. Ofcourse, every body
>make mistakes, even presidents of super powers.
>
>Yet a country like the US, who obviously has basic values that are to be
>cherished, can not speak with two tongues.
>
>One can not speak in support of democracy and support ditatorships. You can
>not
>stop one occupation by inducing another.
>
>What can the average American do?
>
>it is you, the average American who vote for your presidents and
>representatives. It s therfore very important to know what they are acting and
>going to act as leaders of a super power.
>
>Americans should be lured by old cliches that presidents or presidential
>candidates take out on campians.
>
>THe USA has a responsibility, by the fact that it is a super power, to act on
>international issues. It is up to you, Americans, to define your policy as a
>people and hold your representives responcible if they misrpresent you in the
>world.
>
>Which ever candidate you vote for, is your own choice. But remember the
>responsibility that you with your votes have. You may choose a president that
>speaks of democarcy and anti-drug campains, yet supports some of the world's
>most heinious dictatorships and worst drug dealers.
>
>You may elect a president, who knowns very little about the real issues
>involved and by default follow his own aims or the old routs of his
>predecessors.
>
>You have a responsibility, first and foremost to your country and its
>interest,
>but also a responsibility as a super power, to fulfill your role in such a way
>that you as Americans can be proud of.
>
Very well said, Elie.  Speaking as an American, I can only add that I wish
more Americans felt the way you (and I) do about their responsibilities as
American citizens.
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