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From: bobw@sad.hp.com (Bob Waltenspiel)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:51:31 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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ravi@hls.com wrote:
: 	This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
: a sleeping bag ?

Last summer I met a couple of guys in the John Muir Wilderness who
used rocks to keep thier feet warm.  They would heat a medium size
(~1/2 cubic foot, how do you measure a rock?) next to their fire (not
too close), wrap it in a canvas bag (or old pillowcase) just before
bedtime and toss it the the foot of their bag for the night.  They
told us about this when we were sharing lunch.  They took out one of
the rocks and it was still warm from the night before.

-Bob "Now kids, don't try this at home."

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From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: book, CADILLAC DESERT
Date: 11 Dec 1992 11:01:22 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Dec11.062318.7751@midway.uchicago.edu>,
rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert) writes:
>
>>if you had to grow rice, with its
>>huge water consumption, would you choose to do it in a state that's
>>largely semi-desert?  Only if you had access to subsidized water.
>
Earlier this week the San Francisco Chronicle published a table that
listed the the amount of water required to produce a single serving
of various foods.  I was extremely surprise to find that rice
actually more water efficient than many crops!  Most fruit and
vegetables and grains were comparatively reasonable comparred to
beef -- we are talking about a ratio 100:1 or more!  I suspect that
rice just LOOKS wasteful because you can see the water all at once.

I don't know the details of how the data were derived but even gross
errors would still leave you with the same conclusion.  If you are
serious about water wastage, first become a vegetarian.  Only then
do you need to start worrying about relative water use of different
crops.

If anyone knows enough on the subject to critique the published
figures I, for one, would like to hear about it.

---- Marc Whitney
     as.msw@forsythe.stanford.edu


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I heard some very disturbing details over the weekend concerning the
avalanche death in the East Vail chutes.  The word     from the Ski Patrol
people that actually located the body (Jamie) is that this could have been 
a very minor incident.  

Here is what they have put together,  Jamie and a friend were skiing the East
Vail chutes with the friend in the lead (about 100 yards) , the snow released
just above Jamie and carried him down the slope. Jamie managed to  swin enough
to keep his head above the snow when everything stopped moving and the friend
avoided the slide altogether.
avoided the slide altogether.

The "Friend" heard Jamie calling but did not climb back up to help fearing a
secondary slide.  He returned home an d for some reason did not notify anyone
and told them that Jamie had not returned from skiing that day and gave no
further details.  The next morning at 6:30am he called again and reported that
he knew where Jamie was and what had happened.  A search was immediatatly
organized and they found Jamie within less than a half hour.  The body was
still warm and in the judgement of the emergency personnel he had been dead for
only about an hour!

As you can see the "Friend" wasn't much of a human being much less a friend!

This story was related to me by a close friend of mine that works in the Avon
Fire Department, but was not on the scene himself.

I can't believe that someone would act in this matter, but I would really like
to meet this guy and let him in on some choice routes in the bowls above
Berthoud and the Professor accross from A-Basin.

I will keep you up to date if I hear any more.

Jon
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From: chris.gunnell@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (CHRISTOPHER C. GUNNELL)
Subject: Slot canyon hiking
Keywords: Southern Utah hiking
Organization: The University of Utah
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:35:31 GMT

     I was wondering if anyone could give me any informations on some 
different hikes in southern Utah.  I would prefferably like info on the 
slot canyons but would would also appreciate any infoon the different 
national parks there.
     How skilled does one have to be?  What type of supplies are needed?  
How long will it take?  Etc. Etc.
     I would greatly appreciate any information given as my wife and I are 
planning some trips for the upcoming summer.

                                      Thank You,
                                             Chris Gunnell 
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From: brez8986@mach1.wlu.ca (James Brezina u)
Subject: Request info...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Summary: Request address etc for Mountain Equip Co-op
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:27:08 GMT

Hi,
	I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to e-mail me the
address, phone number, etc for The Mountain Equipment Co-op in Toronto
Ontario.  I am interested in obtaining a catalogue, and need to find
out how to get in touch with them.  I have been reading here for a little
while and haven't seen anyone mention this store yet (many others though)
Hopefully someone can help me out.
	I do appologize if this info. has been posted recently or is in the FAQ
I must have missed it.

Thanx in advance...
							--==> jIm <==--

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Stuff Sacks or No Fit Like a Tight Fit
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:14:25 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <122440228@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
|I've always wished Tupperware made a 12" diameter X 18" high canister that
|would be perfect for sleeping bags on an external-frame pack. 

I don't know if Tupperware makes one but I but Rubbermaid makes one.  I`ve
got a Rubbermaid catalog around here somewhere.  I'll take a look.

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From: alleyne@hera.ics.uci.edu (Brian D. Alleyne)
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Reply-To: alleyne@ics.uci.edu (Brian D. Alleyne)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:04:13 GMT

In article <BzBpzn.ECu@cup.hp.com> mehaf@cup.hp.com (John Mehaffey) writes:
>ravi@hls.com wrote:
>: Hi,
>: 	This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
>: a sleeping bag ? I went camping to Sequioa during Thanksgiving with a
>: 10-15F mummy bag. The temperature was about 20F in the night.I was very
>: comfortable inside except for the feet( inspite of having my socks on)
>: which were cold throughout. Except for a little breathing space at the
>: top I was well covered up. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments ?
>:
>: thanks
>: ravi
>: ravi@hls.com
>:
>A few suggestions:
>
>Make sure your feet are dry.
>Warm your feet thoroughly at the fire before retiring.
>Buy electric socks.
>Bring your dog.
>
>mehaf

Boil your drinking water the night before, and put the warm water
bottle at your feet for the night. Usually you have to put it into
your sleeping bag anyways else it freezes.

Brian

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"Major Strasser has been shot.  Round up the usual suspects."
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From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack ( Sun ))
Subject: Re: Invitation from Rockport
Keywords: Rockport, Kilamanjaro
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:13:34 GMT

mdm24@cas.org (Matthew D. Marquand) writes:

>Got home last night to a letter from Rockport (footwear manufacturers)
>containing an invitation to a stress test of Rockport shoes on
>Mt. Kilimanjaro next summer.

>It appears that they will be selecting candidates from a pool of
>respondees based on fitness, interviews, experience.

>Any body else get this invitation?

Well, yes I also received this invitation!  It looks like they want
to hike 45 miles up this tall African mountain in a single day. They
appear to be serious and the invitation/application was very detailed.   
It contained a form to be filled out by your physician stating that
you had no known physiological reasons why you should not be allowed
to hike this far and at this altitude (>19,000 ft.).

Looks like they pay for everything and even put you on a rigorous
training schedule.  They openly admit that it is for a "publicity 
stunt".

I can get into some endurance stuff, but this looks too much for me!


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From: mehaf@cup.hp.com (John Mehaffey)
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:16:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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ravi@hls.com wrote:
: Hi,
: 	This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
: a sleeping bag ? I went camping to Sequioa during Thanksgiving with a 
: 10-15F mummy bag. The temperature was about 20F in the night.I was very
: comfortable inside except for the feet( inspite of having my socks on)
: which were cold throughout. Except for a little breathing space at the 
: top I was well covered up. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments ?
: 
: thanks
: ravi
: ravi@hls.com
:   
A few suggestions:

Make sure your feet are dry.
Warm your feet thoroughly at the fire before retiring.
Buy electric socks.
Bring your dog.

mehaf
From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Yosemite concessionaire chosen
Date: 18 Dec 1992 14:24:17 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Dec18.162631.22282@unocal.com>,
stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>
>Friday's LA Times reports that the Deleware North Concessionaire Inc. was
>choosen to replace Curry Company.  This $1.2 billion company runs concessions
>at 70 sports places, airports, hotels and zoos.  This is its first national
>park.  The concessionaire will pay 20% of gross to the Park Service and pay
>for cleanups.  20 years ago the comapny was fined for laundering money in
>Los Vegas, but claims that era is in the past.
>Most of the competing bids placed financial limits on cleanup costs.  A bid
>by a company organized by environmentalists was rejected because "they did
>not present required evidence of an ability to fulfill the stated financial
>requirements."  Some concerned members of Congress said they will review the
>decision.

So if you don't tip enough at the Ahwanee thet'll make you an offer
you can't refuse!
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From: lucien@watson.ibm.com (Lucien Van Elsen)
Subject: Re: Appalachian Trail
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:05:44 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Dec11.174417.26084@news2.cis.umn.edu>
	<1992Dec16.024126.6074@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: IBM T.J Watson Research Center

jwas_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jason Wasson) writes:
>   I too, am interested in Hiking the trail this summer and would like some
>   info.  I was planning on taking a bus to the trail from Rochester, NY. Does
>   anyone know off hand if there are any buses that go right to the trail or
>   pretty close to it or towns that are close to the trail?

If "Hiking" with a capital H means thru-hiking, "The A.T. Thru-hiker's
Handbook" by Dan Bruce gives specific information on how to get to both
trailheads, and contains other useful information about the trail
(descriptions of shelters & points of interest, trail towns, etc.)  The 1993
edition (it's updated annually) should be available in January from the ATC;
you can call them at (304) 535-6331 9-5 weekdays.

You might also want to consider joining the ATC at the same time- besides
being a generally good thing to do, it will give you a discount off of
whatever maps, books, etc.  you buy from them.  Student rate is $18, and a
regular individual is $25.

	-Lucien
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From: craigc@hotcity.COM (Craig Cutright)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Baja weather info?
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:23:11 PST
Organization: BBS

Call the state tourism office at 676-22-22.  I dont have the country code so
youll have to look that one up.  They should be able to give you the
information or direct you to the local officials who would have that
information.  Have fun!!
 
Craig Cutright
CraigC@Hotcity.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.skiing,rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Has anyone ever saved anyone wearing an avalanche beacon?
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:48:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <BzD4uz.DKL@inews.Intel.COM> matt@sugaree.intel.com (Matt Ammann - DA) writes:

>Does anyone know of classes in the Sierra which include search techniques
>and beacon practice.  Also would a net expert be interested in organizing a
>net.practice session?

No need to make it so complicated.  If you want to learn to use an
avalanche tranceiver all you need is a buddy and a couple of
tranceivers.  Put one on transmit, the other on receive.  Start by
simply listening to the signal from various positions to get the
"feel" of it.  Then one person hides the one on transmit and the
other tries to find it.  Ideal practice conditions would be on snow
but you can improve a *lot* practicing in a city park or even your
home.  If on snow, bury the unit in an area where there are enough
tracks that the searcher can't just track you to the hiding place.
Occasionaly put one up a tree or some such place since avalanche
victims are sometimes in such places.  Follow the search pattern
which comes in the instructions and you should do fine.

Formal classes are good but don't wait for one to learn and don't
confine your practice to them.

One more warning:  Some digital watches (meaning essentially all
watches today, even if they have hands) will emitt a signal which
interferes with the tranceiver.  Check yours and if it causes a
problem, take it off and keep it well away from the unit while 
searching.
From: alpope@skids.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan L. Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:11:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: skids

In article ECu@cup.hp.com, mehaf@cup.hp.com (John Mehaffey) writes:
>: 	This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
>: a sleeping bag ?
>: ravi@hls.com

There are a number of reasons for heat loss and cold feet.  First, how do you lose heat?

Were your feet insulated from the ground?
Were they atop an air matress or foam mattress?
Was there a breeze over your bags surface (or were you in  a tent)?
Were your feet wet?
Was the foot of the bag wet?
Did your feet press up against the tent wall?

I forget the names of all heat loss--convection, induction, radiation, ...--but once you 
know how you lost heat, you have most of the problem solved.  An auxiliary problem is
when it is caused by a side-effect, i.e., should have taken a leak before going to bed or
did you awaken sometime in the night (with cold feet) and need to take one?  There's
a correlation there I believe but can't remember this physiology involved.

---
"Not ideas about the thing but the thing itself." -- Wallace Stevens
					Alan Pope <alan.pope@Eng.Sun.COM>

From: sylvia@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Sylvia Budak)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 16:11:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Scotch-Guard as Water Repellent?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

  
   You are right Bill, it does depend on what type of hiking one does.
I wish I could get away with putting snow seal on just once a year.  I have to 
put it on fresh for every backpacking trip I take.  I guess I'm a bit rough on 
boots (a lot of boulder-hopping, scree-skiing and bush-whacking.) 
Unfortunately the boots I have now get wet even with a new coat of snow-seal.
I'm going to buy a new pair for next summer.

   I have heard about using a vapor barrier like Jon suggested.  A potential
problem with this method I would think is the sweat from ones own feet 
softening the skin might cause blisters to form more easily.  I get cold feet
easily and this was suggested to me as a way to keep my feet warmer (keep the
moisture from evaporating).  I haven't gone for it though because of the 
blister potential.

Sylvia
From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Frightened mountains
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:13:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester Computing Center

Thought y'all might find this one amusing.  At the visitor center at the
Sabino Canyon recreation area near Tucson there is the standard Forest
Service sheaf of blank comment forms for people to writing suggestions,
complaints, etc. on.  I was leafing through them this morning and found
the usual complaints about noise from the Gun Club range and the tram
motors, plus a lament from a couple of snowbirds that no one had warned
them they'd get their sneakers wet crossing Bear Creek (this a couple
days after heavy rain & snow up above...it comes back down, folks...).
Anyway, one of the sheets just said:

         There are too many roads scaring the mountains!

Sometimes misspelling has a wisdom of its own.  :-)
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From: zulauf@orbit.Colorado.EDU (Mike Zulauf)
Subject: tincture of iodine vs. tablets
Originator: zulauf@orbit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:24:16 GMT

Hi everybody!
     I was recently reading the Distilled Wisdom article on water
filters and giardia.  It mentioned that one could use tincture of
iodine as a method of purification.  I typically use Potable Aqua
tablets, but would most likely switch to tincture of iodine because
of lower cost.
     A few questions,  does this work as well as idione tablets?
Does anyone have any positive or negative experiences to relate?
What do you think, is it worth a try?

Enquiring Minds Want to Know,
                               Mike Zulauf
                               zulauf@orbit.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rbw3q@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Brad Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: book, CADILLAC DESERT
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:39:20 GMT

In article <95Mv02wg2ein01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> jjh00@diag.amdahl.com writes:
>
> tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker) writes:
>>
>>The Nature Conservancy had an article on this subject recently.  The idea is
>>to store water during the winter on the impermeable clay of rice fields, at
>>the optimum level for waterfowl.  (They are absolutely flat, so the depth
>>can be controlled precisely.)  It would be released in the spring when
>>young fish need it for migration, thus removing the need to release 
>>so much from dams further upstream.  This would theoretically benefit 
>>everyone.  There are possible problems with pesticide pollution (Buy
>>organically grown rice!), etc., so the idea is still under study.
>>Someone else may know more.
>
>I do.
>The idea is no longer just under study, but is being implemented
>on a large scale this year.
>
>One family-owned rice operation led the way, before the Nature
>Conservancy or the state and federal wildlife people got involved.
>The Lundbergs have been flooding their fields for use by
>migratory waterfowl for years --
>
>Lundbergs grow many varieties of rice, most of them "organically",
>without chemical pesticides or fertilizers of any kind.  Their
>products are available in quality grocery stores throughout
>the West, and are well worth paying a slightly-higher price
>for -- their quality is higher than any other rice I've tried
>except Kokuho Rose.  The brown rice ricecakes are particularly
>good, and more substantial than Quaker or Chico-san -- good
>munchies.
>
	We can also get the Lundberg line of rice in specialty stores
here in the East, for 20-30 cents/lb. more than most "name" rices.  However, 
it _is_ good rice.  The brown rice was distinctly "nuttier" than most of
the other brown rices I have tried, and was actually cheaper than some
other "boutique" rices I've seen.

-- 

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rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
From: padams@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cold feet
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:58:25 GMT

From article <1992Dec14.170824.795@hls.com>, by ravi@hls.com:
> Hi,
> 	This might sound silly but how do you keep your feet warm inside
> a sleeping bag ? I went camping to Sequioa during Thanksgiving with a 
> 10-15F mummy bag. The temperature was about 20F in the night.I was very
> comfortable inside except for the feet( inspite of having my socks on)
> which were cold throughout. Except for a little breathing space at the 
> top I was well covered up. Does anyone have any suggestions or comments ?
> 

  the two things that work best for me are dry socks and a hat -a knitted
hat works best. there's an old saying: 'got cold feet? put a hat on.'

                                        -paul
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Yosemite concessionaire chosen
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:26:31 GMT


Friday's LA Times reports that the Deleware North Concessionaire Inc. was
choosen to replace Curry Company.  This $1.2 billion company runs concessions
at 70 sports places, airports, hotels and zoos.  This is its first national
park.  The concessionaire will pay 20% of gross to the Park Service and pay
for cleanups.  20 years ago the comapny was fined for laundering money in
Los Vegas, but claims that era is in the past.
Most of the competing bids placed financial limits on cleanup costs.  A bid
by a company organized by environmentalists was rejected because "they did
not present required evidence of an ability to fulfill the stated financial
requirements."  Some concerned members of Congress said they will review the
decision.
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