From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:54:15 GMT

In article <1hqqm6INN3o0@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>> 
>> The difference between most
>> straight people and myself is that I'm not afraid of or uncomfortable
>> with sex.  I overcame the "Sex is a horrible, dirty thing that you
>> only share with the one you love" message that confuses most children
>> in the U.S.
>
>I'm a little confused here.  Most people don't think "Sex is a horrible, dirty thing".
>On the other hand, you said you were monogamous; and then said "...that you
>only share with the one you love" part.  Are you only monogamous out of safety, 
>or are you monogamous out of love?  Why do you feel monogamy is the right 
>thing to do? 


For me it is just a value that I have been brought up with ( I am not the
original person you are asking this question of....my two cents.).

I think the idea of a monogamous relationship is beautiful and it shows love
and commitment to your partner.

Most people don't have a healthy out look on sex....that is one reason we
have so many sexually unsatisfied people out there...


>
>> Last I
>> checked, the parents were supposed to be the ones responsible for the
>> child in the first place.  When did that change?
>
>Well, that's part of what ticks people off about the COTR issue; some 
>people in this forum (Tim Pierce?) said that if we, as parents, don't 
>do a good enough job of educating our kids that it is 'ok' to be gay, 
>then the school should do it for us, if we like it or not.  It's the 
>fact that people want to *take away* that responsibility that has 
>people in an uproar. 


No....sex education was put into class because parents were doing nothing
to teach their kids....kids were just as sexual then as now...Many social
programs in school were instituted because parents weren't doing anything.
(NOT ALL PARENT, but enough)

As any teacher.  They are there to teach school.  Not worry about
abused, starving, sexually assualted kids.....Those kids are in
our school and someone has to try and help them.  Most Christian groups
don't address these issues...

>
>> However, removing all of these things from the school environment is
>> impossible, and IMO, not the best solution anyway.  Instead, we have
>> to teach children (at home and in school) to feel free to have
>> whatever views they (or their parents) wish, but to learn and
>> understand that others don't necessarily share those views, and that
>> they should not be persecuted for that reason.
>
>I'll buy that; everyone is a valuable person, and should be respected 
>as such, regardless if you agree with their lifestyle; I *strongly* 
>disagree with the Jehovahs Witnesses and they me; but I can be 
>friends with a JW, because we can *tolerate* the things about each 
>other that we don't *accept*.  We can disagree strongly, and still 
>respect the other person.  Unfortunately, from what I've read in USENET, 
>this is not the case for gay folks in general.  I've seen articles saying 
>that if a friend can only 'tolerate' your homosexuality, and not accept 
>it as ok, then you shouldn't be their friend.  I really think this 
>is too bad. 

My friends love me and visa versa....love me....visa versa....LOVE ME...


>> In the case of sexuality, we must stop teaching by default that
>> homosexuality and bisexuality is wrong.  
>
>How does the school system teach that now?  They don't teach it 
>at all.  They may, by the typical examples of families used, teach 
>that a hetro family is 'normal', but that doesn't mean by default 
>that they teach a homosexual fmaily is wrong.   


What is normal.. White families?  Two parent families?  Who decides.  They
should be taught that people are very diverse......

>
>> kids this at home (or hand them off to the church like so many
>> parents) that's fine by me.  Just don't be surprised when their
>> opinion is in the minority.  

Why don't you want to protect the minority?  Maybe we should not 
help blacks or the starving....They are the minority in this country.
Why should we help them???


>
>Well, first of all, I don't know *anyone* who just "hands their kids
>over to the chuch".  Nice but of anti-religious-slam, though.  As for 
>their opinions being in the majority, I think the opposite is true. 
>I think the majority things homosexuality is not a 'good thing', but 
>also think that diversity should be tolerated, and people should not 
>be harassed or persecuted for it.  

The majority don't agree with homosexuality but do feel we should have
equal rights.....

>
>Walter
>


Bil

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