HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
Subject: Why I put physics here.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:27:32 GMT


Let me comment on:
From: stone@cwis.unomaha.edu (Travis Stone)
Subject: Re: Feynman 44 Is it unitary? Sarfatti predicts new solid state
release
 of vacuum energy based upon Feynman's musings in 1949?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:40:47 GMT

--MORE--(59%)
This is a nice bit of work, but don't you think it belongs in
sci.physics rather than HERE?

C'mon now.  The subject-atmosphere (possibility of alien visitations,
UFOs, abductions, etc.) in this group is already getting dangerously
thin---it really doesn't need this sort of stuff to come along and make
it rareified to the point of "unbreathability".  John Winston does
enough of that already....

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha

The point is I may be a contactee of alien visitors dating from 1952 -
see the Gladstone Report for details. The physics I am working on may
orginate with "alien visitors" or at any rate explain their
super-technology. Among the visitors I suspect are out time travelling
great great .... grand kids from the future! On the ohter hand I may be
totally wrong - which is the power of real science. EverythingI say is
falsifiable in the sense of Karl Popper's idea.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
Subject: Re: Moderated Newsgroup
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:01:54 GMT

harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri Pesonen) writes:

> In article ??? <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> > I too propose that a moderated newsgroup be formed.  It seems that
> > John Winston gets a kick out of annoying people.  It has also been
> > proposed that we just ignore him.  This obviously hasn't worked since
> > many people are still publicly responded to his net posts.  So let's
> > form a new MODERATED newsgroup.
> > Ethan Haslett
> 
> I don't understand this.  Would you form a moderated newsgroup so that John
> Winston couldn't post anymore?
> 
> I think that this group is just the right place for people like John and
> people who like to read his posts.  If you don't want to read his posts,
> add him to your kill file or stop reading this group.  After that we all
> are happy.
> 
> -- 
>     Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
>     Helsinki, Finland, EC?      Markka is floating...  1 USD = 5.1 FIM

Once again - not everyone is running tin or rn and have kill files!  Some 
of us are stuck running awful waffle and have no idea who posted 
something.  All we see are "RE: Spiritual Independence Day."  
 
This topic warrants a area free from the domination of anyone!  Let's 
keep alt.alien.visitors and start a moderated news group alt.ufo or 
something.  This way JW can keep doing his thing and people without kill 
files can do theirs!

Whatever happened to Gary anyway?  At least he was fun - better than this 
Saffari guy (please don't sue me Jack - I can't spell ;-) 
 

Jeff Harrington      
IdEAL ORDER               
idealord@dorsai.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: kasprj@jec310.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:08:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.221832.16151@ssc.com>, tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) writes:
|> In article <72430@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> >Dear One and All: I believe that you will find that the Great And
|> >Noble Kibo understands me quite well.
|> >John Winston.
|> 
|> 
|> ah-HA!!!!  The cat is finally out of the bag.  Has John ever posted such
|> an obvious hint that it is ALL a joke....that he is just screwing with
|> our heads?
 
 I wouldn't bet on it. Many people have underestimated the power of Kibo 
and Kibology and wound up looking very silly as a result. If you really 
want to believe that it's a joke... YOU'RE ALLOWED!
 
 But don't say you haven't been warned.
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From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: John Winston and his unbelievable load of crap
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:44:54 GMT

From article <1992Dec16.164211.17013@Cadence.COM>, by jdm@Cadence.COM (Joe Mastroianni):
>>was just a sick, deluded individual.     Now I am sure he is just having a 
>>laugh at the people who take him seriously.  (and loving the 'publicity').
>>
> 
>   Don't be so sure. 

  ... 

>    Remember any commentary, positive or blow-torch, is encouragement to
> action.
> 
>    Joe 
>       

  Yup. That's true. JW is fishing for publicity and we *can* stop him.
  It's called a 'kill' file. Many people have asked about it here in the
  group, so I will take time to explain it. (sorry if this is a repost)
  First, when your newreader starts up it looks for certain things, one
  of which is a 'global kill file'. This file is simply a script of 
  'rn' commands which can have just about any effect you desire. The file
  default name is ~/News/KILL  i.e. a text file named 'KILL' in the News
  subdirectory under your home directory (/usr/tom or /usr/mary etc...).
  By placing the appropriate commands in this file, you can filter almost
  anything out. The simplest way to filter JW's camouflaged publicity
  stunts and self-aggrandizing plagiarism is to add this line to the KILL
  file:

  /John_-_/j

  This line will mark as 'read' all files posted by yours truly. Equally
  well one could add the line:

  /Winston/j

  It basically looks for the pattern between the slash marks and operates
  on each one with the 'j' command which marks an article as 'already read'.

  To edit the KILL file, you can invoke your favorite editor on the file,
  or, you can issue the ^K command from rn. In other words, you can type
  <CTRL>K and this will automatically create an edit session for the global
  kill file. (that is, press the 'ctrl' and 'K' keys at the same time.)

  I did this, and my life is much better for it. I encourage ALL of you to
  do this. I also encourage you to add others to your kill files as well.
  There is no limit. Now, a question for someone more versed than I:

    I recently began using 'vn', a nicer version of 'rn', but my kill file
    is not being read correctly. I am going back to 'rn' because I don't
    want to have to 'sift' the news. Any solutions?

  Cheers! and remember.... that line was

    /Winston/j

  Don't forget now...
-Max
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: CONTACT NOTES
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 08:12:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Researchers: After reading some of that over 400K bytes of in-
formation that was sent to me by Kumar I have come to the conclusion
that the situation might not be as bad as I originally thought with
the Grays coming here and interacting  with us (is that a long sentence
or what?) I tend to agree with Don Showen and believe that maybe all
of this interaction will work out to the good of the people on earth.
Words to live by.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Pest Control. Ever hear of this idiot?
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 09:33:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: I believe you will find that it was not me.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: RE: ENUF IS ENUF. TIME FO
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 09:10:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Convention of Flamers: It's good to hear you saying what you 
believe. Thanks you very much.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: John Winston revealed
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:16:28 GMT

In article <1h9rr6INN2p9@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael_-_Saleeba) writes:
>  I saw these two guys sitting at a computer and pointing and laughing
>at the screen. At first I thought it was my good chum Kibo but they
>didn't have a dog so I guess not. 

I don't have a dog... not since Spot fell on his pocket time machine
(ouch) and it went off and sent him back to the days when the Earth was
in liquid form.  Poor Spot!
							-- K.
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:24:52 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1hnopiINNg3u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem) writes:
> Sad but true: this really has to a moderated group.  It reminds me
> of gradeschool, where a teacher would give the kids quite a bit of
> rope until the "bad apples" hung the rest of the class.
> 
> There seems to be quite a group of people ready to jump ship (me
> among them).  Maybe we should just go find our own sandbox to play
> in.
> -- 

I know. I *really* enjoyed this group earlier this year, until "July 4,
Spiritual Independence Day" happened. After that, this group has gone
straight down the toilet.

Incidentally, I don't have rn and my news reader doesn't have a kill
option, so I am stuck wading through nonsense to try to find an intelligent
(well, at least interesting :) thread...

-Garrett
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Are they on alt.alien.visitors ??
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:56:27 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec22.121738@cs.bham.ac.uk>, pxf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Pranath Fernando) writes:
> Just believe me ...... (if there's any humans reading this - that is) we are not
> alone in this universe , we are being watched, right now, and there's very little
> we can do...except wait.

Actually most of the alien species in the galaxy don't talk to each
other. They all, of course, have their undercover agents on the planet
and have done for tens of thousands of years. The only trouble is that
almost all of the native population has died off. Most of the aliens
don't realise this and carry on impersonating what they consider to be
human insanity. The result? Life just gets crazier and crazier.

So the question is not "Are there aliens amongst us?" but "Are there
any earthlings amongst us?" The funniest case is the "skeptics". These
aliens really believe in the Star Trek prime directive and so attempt
to ridicule any evidence of extra-terrestrial activity but the people
they call fruit-cakes are actually an opposing group who wish that humans
such as skeptics weren't so stupid as to miss the bleeding obvious.

How to solve this problem without interfering in the development of
all the races on this planet has perplexed many an intergalactic
psychiatrist...

                              :=)
  
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Serious Processing and Handling of AAV Info
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:57:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
	A question for all the serious posters on AAV-- is there an
	information "clearinghouse" for all the stuff I've seen posted
	here?

... nope, not to my knowledge. There is at least one archive of aav,
but that's not quite what you're asking for, of course.    There is 
the aav faq, which is a step in the right direction, but I wish you
good luck (if you were to try and put together  what you're looking
for) in setting it up and keeping it up to date.

Charles
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: abductions ???
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:12:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: alt

Dear Question Asker: If you've got the patience to wade through over
400k bytes of information about the Greys then let me know by E-mail
and I'll send it to you. The whole world may be over before you get 
it all read. I still haveen't read it all. 
John Winston. This information explains why they ar here and why they 
are doing what they are doing.
From: James.Porter@mechanic.fidonet.org (James Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Question!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:16:02 PDT
Organization: Mechanic: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway oF St. Pete Florida

Can anyone in USENET land see this post?  I am doubting my postings are
making it through my local gateway.  Any comments back indicating that
you have seen this would be much appreciated.

James Porter
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From: peter@stycx.hacktic.nl (Author)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Boy
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 02:08:40 PST
Organization: River of Doom. Running through Central Holland

DAVGOLD@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (David Goldsmith) writes:

> I wish everyone would quit flaming my homey John W.  He has a lot of
> knowledge that I'm sure everybody could use.  If you all remain so narrow
> minded you'll stay the ignorant pinheads that you all are.
>  
>                            Carlton Fisk
>  
Fair enough I'm willing to assume that our friend John W. has a lot of 
knowledge and it is my first principle to never reject anything without 
having at least looked into it. If it is so that John W. has something 
valid to contribute, to this group, than please convince him not to 
publish junk items which distract from that what he actually has to say.

Look take the Tunnel posting as an example, first it was dropped into the 
discussion as a part 1 than he moves on to other things as if he wanted 
to reasure us of his continued existance (announcements of things to come 
or not). This my friend makes it very hard to take him serious.

The other thing is that the initial idea for this group was to exchange 
views and information relating to the UFO etc. Now I'm convinced that 
that subject finally deserves some serious investigation without it being 
the playground for prankster and the like. I'm also convinced that the 
drive to ridicule is exactly that what those who want to keep the whole 
thing under the table, want to reach. What better way is there to keep 
things covered up?

There a voices calling for moderation, well at first I felt that this is 
exactly what we should see to avoid, unfortunately I start leaning into 
that direction, even though I fully realize that moderation would lead to 
the institutialization of the mainstream view, which in this case coul;d 
be very harmfull, considering that the mainstream view will strongly be 
influenced by decades of disinformation.

Just to put the record straight, upto this point UFO, to me, is exactly 
that what is implied by it, we just don't know. I'm willing to listen to 
anybody and give anyones views at least some consideration, whether this 
is Cooper, or your homey John W.

Please if you have any influence on him, than tell him that he either 
come forward with serious information (and I don't mean by that that he 
should refrain from statements which are controversial) and follow it 
through.

Greetings -Peter

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From: "roman andruszko" <roman.andruszko@canrem.com>
Subject: i have a question
Reply-To: "roman andruszko" <roman.andruszko@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:42:08 EST


I've read some documentation recently discussing a few types of
aliens currently thought to be know. Can somebody tell me who the
Pleidiands or Pleiadiands are and what their purpose is. I've heard
about the Greys but very little is mentions about the Pleidians,
Blonds, or EBEs.

Any comment is appreciated.
Roman.Andruszko@canrem.uucp

                         
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The Sarfatti Papers 1
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 10:10:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear New Person To The Group: After reading you post it is my
opinion that you are a very well read person which probubly drive
a few flamers on this Net crazy. Welcome kind sir.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

qtalk keung

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: anna@moxie.hou.tx.us (Anna Anderson)
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Organization: Home Improvement
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:35:09 GMT


alt.alien.visitors is the perfect place for John Winston's tales.

However, I propose that a new group "alt.sightings" be made, and
that it be moderated by Don Allen.
--
Anna
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Las Vegas UFO Congress
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 08:50:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: Pardon me I thought the question was referring to the 
Berkeley Syjmposium not the Las Vegas one. Denise may have not gone to 
that one.
John Winston.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Everyone Listen-up!
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 09:01:35 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: I have read the comments and will give them consideration.
Thanks for your support (as the wine seller commercial says).
Serious John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Chuck Stringer)
Subject: Re: Moderated Newsgroup
Organization: Indiana University, University Computing Services
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:30:39 GMT

<U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>  writes:  |  I too  propose  that  a  moderated
newsgroup be formed.  It seems that | John Winston gets  a kick out of
annoying people.  It has also been | proposed that we just ignore him.
This obviously hasn't  worked  since | many people are  still publicly
responded  to  his  net  posts.  So  let's  |  form  a  new  MODERATED
newsgroup.  | Ethan Haslett | u37460@uicvm.uic.edu

And who'll moderate it? Someone completely impartial? Yeah,  right. In
a  news  group  that  discusses  something  thats  very  existence  is
questionable, a moderator would have too much influence  over the free
exchange of ideas. Who is to say what is fiction and what is fact when
the  entire  discussion  is  based on conjecture?  Sure  most  of John
Winston's  articles are ridiculous,  they're still more interesting to
read than pointless arguing about trivial issues.

----
Chuck Stringer
E-mail cstringe@ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Ozzie UFOs
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 10:48:04 GMT


I'm American, so don't flame if I'm mistaken, but shouldn't that be
'Aussie' (for Austrailian) rather than 'Ozzie'?

:-)

simon
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Semi-moderated newsgroup idea
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:49:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec31.135918.25218@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, cwatters@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Coyt D Watters) writes:
> An idea about the proposal to create a new moderated group to replace AAV.
> 
> What could be done is to create a "semi-moderated" newsgroup.  It would work
> like a normal moderated group, but with the following extensions:
> 
> The moderator can create a file of "autoapproved" users, whose articles
> will go to the newsgroup w/o further intervention.  This will allow those
> posters articles to speedily enter the discussion.
> 
> Likewise, the moderator can create a "dump" file of users whose articles
> will be sent to /dev/null without ever being read.
> 
> The software could also be set up to reject postings below a certain threshold
> of size (since so many of the "bad" postings are <10 lines).  These postings
> may/may not trigger the sending of an email explaining the rejection.
> 
> The moderator would then have to read all the other posts, and approve/reject
> on a set of criteria.  Once a poster has a certain number of "approved" 
> postings, the modeerator should add them to the "autoapproved" process.
> The criteria should be set down by the readership during the RFD stage.


Universal consciousness is obviously working well as I was just about
to post an almost identical message :-)

Possibly a better solution would
be to pass all posts *unless* a contributor has repeatedly transgressed
the groups charter. Obviously the decision as to when this line is
crossed is to some extent subjective but I would suggest it would be
better than what we have now. A ban need not be permanent and the offenders
could be warned in advance that they were stretching the limits.

 

> 
> -Coyt
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: maz@Turing.ORG (Michael A. Zang)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:32:10 GMT


	I don't know haw to start a moderated group but will look into it
if there's enough interest. I agree that Winston and other discordians
should get off the planet NOW. UFOlogy isn't my main interest but i would
be happy to moderate a group just to see a little good discussion again.
When i first started reading this group it was fairly serious. Please
post if you're serious in starting a moderated group.

			Later,.....Mike

NOTE: Turing.org is being censored from the net, i can be reached
      at maz6r@Virginia.EDU.
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