HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: john@tdg.dres.dnd.ca (John McFee)
Subject: Oral vitamin K - what's happening?
Keywords: vitamin k, oral, availability
Reply-To: john@tdg.dres.dnd.ca
Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 14:06:05 GMT

I have two 15 month old daughters with Cystic Fibrosis. Among the problems that
one of them has is decreased absorption of certain fat soluble vitamins, among
them vitamin K. Talking to the MDs at the Alberta Sick Childrens Hospital in Calgary, we were told that oral vitamin K is no longer being made and that the only supplies available are old stock that is being held back as long as possible for emergency purposes. The reason for the stop in production is ostensibly the lack of availability of a key ingredient (nobody knew what).

"Not to worry", the MDs said. "Your daughters can get their vitamin K from natural sources."  Ha! Ever tried to feed an infant broccoli or kale or some other vegetable that sounds like a Yuppie's kid's name?

So, to my question. Does anyone out in Net Land know the whole story behind the mysterious shrinking oral vitamin K supply? Also, does anybody know where I can get some if the above stories are more urban myth than fact. 

Thanks to all. 



John Elton McFee                        ---   Standard disclaimer.
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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: NLP a psychoactive drug here?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:34:06 EDT

In article <_1vnlya.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>I've just returned from reading Sci.psychology, as a result of
>a pointer posted here. I note that there is an extended discussion
>of aspects of NLP there, and I've seen no name-calling, ad hominem
>attacks...[ long post deleted ]

I think this realization of yours reflects the fact that there are a
lot of people tuned in on sci.psychology who are NLP enthusiasts, for
whatever reasons, while there are fewer believers here.  That's all.

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From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: The null hypothesis  (was: Xanax)
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:40:19 GMT
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Russell Turpin (turpin@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:

: In article <16446@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
: > In science, the null hypothesis is assumed. ...
: 
: I have to disagree with our inestimable neurologist.  From a
: purely scientific viewpoint, I think he is wrong, though for
: medical practice, it does not make that much difference.  (I will
: explain this below.)

i think you misunderstand the terminology being used here, russell.
the foundation of the scientific method as taught in applied
statistics and research methods classes is that you start with a null
hypothesis (h0) (the variable being studied has no effect) and an
alternative hypothesis (h1) (the variable being studied will produce
an effect). please note that i'm using "effect" here in the
statistical sense; the null hypothesis is that there will be no
statistical difference between a group subjected to the variable being
studied and a group not subjected to that variable.

so, when you're setting up an experiment, your assumption is that the
null hypothesis is true. in fact, studies generally refer to being
able to reject the null hypothesis, not to accepting the alternative.

i think the misunderstanding here is that gordon was using the term
"hypothesis" in the statistical/experimental sciences sense, and you
were reading it in the more general sense. his statement is
technically correct.

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From: James_S._Bright.wbst129@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: testing (not a real post)
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:46:05 GMT
Reply-To: JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com


Geez - I hate doing this, but I gotta make sure this posts.

jbright.wbst129@xerox.com

disclaimer: These views are strictly my own, are not meant to represent
Xerox, its associates, my parents, my school, nor my dog's.
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Ergotamine side effects (migraine treatment)
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:13:35 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I am currently taking Isoptin (time released verapimil, a calcium channel
blocker) as a migraine preventative and cafergot (ergotamine w/caffeine) to
attempt to abort attacks.

The Isoptin seems to have been quite effective a reducing the frequency of
attacks (or it was until some other influences made life a lot more stressful), 
but appears to have made the nausea associated with the migraine far worse. If
I do not use cafergot to attempt to abort the attack, the nausea is much less
severe. Prior to starting Isoptin, I did not notice any relationship between
using the cafergot and nausea.

I notice that nausea is frequently listed as a side effect of ergotamine. Is
this is result of some direct interaction between the ergotamine and the
stomach (i.e. would an alternative delivery mechanism avoid this)?

My possibly incorrect understanding is that calcium channel blockers slow the
contraction/expansion of smooth muscle. If so, would that be related to the
change in side effects of erogtamine, and would that not interfere with the
desired vasoconstrictive effect of ergotamine?

gary
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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Therapy and Psychiatry  (was: Anti-psychiatry)
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 12:00:38 EDT

In article <18623tINNpj9@agate.berkeley.edu> John Werner <werner@soe.berkeley.edu> writes:
>
>I just started seeing a psychologist/therapist, and reading this
>last post has made me curious.  I realize this is an incredibly
>over-generalized question, but what is the role of therapy in
>psychiatry these days?

The role of therapy depends on the problem at hand.

Psychotherapy nowadays is becoming increasingly specialized; the
one-size-fits-all free association methods of psychoanalysis and
its derivatives have been replaced by more focused and effective
psychological interventions using cognitive and behavioral techniques.
Cognitive therapy has been shown to be effective in some kinds of
depression; behavioral therapies have been shown to be effective
in panic disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder.  By contrast,
you've got to be a believer to find any evidence that psychoanaltic
treatments do much good for anything; but once you're a believer,
it looks like it helps everything! :)

Seriously, in practice most people who are suffering from a serious
illness (depression, for example) who can benefit from medication
can also benefit from some sort of psychological assistance.  Maybe
its just educational to help them understand what they've gone 
through; maybe its interpersonal to help them cope better with
loss or stress; maybe its cognitive to help them avoid worrying
themselves into a state of utterly helpless passivity; but there
is generally SOMETHING which can be offered from a psychological
standpoint which will be substantially helpful.  Recognizing
what approach will be most helpful with a particular person can
be complex.





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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Ask about a new treatment of MND
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:50:43 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep13.093623.21296@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> zhu@ee.latrobe.edu.au (Xiaoyuan Zhu) writes:
>I heard that there was a breakthrough in treatments of MND (Moter Neurone
>Disease, or ALS, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) recently. 
>It was reported in ``Nature'' which was a journal published in Britain. 
>(I am not sure, since I have not found the article in ``Nature''). 
>By doing experiments on mice, scientists in German successfully found a 
>certain protein which can cure MND. Doctors in Washington University in
>St. Louis in US have used the therapy on MND patients. Could anyone give me
>detailed information about it ? Is this therapy available in any hospitals ?

Perhaps you are referring to the finding that patients with ALS have
high glutamate levels in their CSF.  There is no cure for ALS, and
none has been announced recently.  







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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:42:56 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <16863C21F.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>I think Chuck means to say that fat people eat proportionately the same
>as thinner people, say (pulling a number out of a silk top hat), 16
>calories/pound (or about 7 and a half calories/kg) a day.  So, Chuck,
>if you weigh 300 lbs (about 136 kg), you'd eat TWICE AS MUCH as a 150-lb
>person.  However, that intake will *maintain* your weight!  If you want to
>lose weight, eat less!

Well, that's what *I* thought he was meaning to say, but not apparently
if you read his note this morning on this topic.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Access to substances
From: Keith.Kontowicz@f101.n154.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Kontowicz)
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:51:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:154/101 - The County Line BBS, West Allis WI

DP>  To: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)

DP> HR> 1.  Why cannot nutritional supplements make any claim to efficacy? 
DP> We
DP> HR> are seeing publications in the refereed medical literature about
DP> HR> desirable effects of "megadoses" of vitamin E, and substantial
DP> amounts
DP> HR> of beta carotene. 

DP> Could you point me to these publications?  I would very much
DP> like 
DP> to read some of them.  Thank you in advance for all replies. 

If you want to see publications that promote a lot of nutritional supplements, 
pick up some of the body building magazines on the market today.  Muscle & 
fitness magazine is the biggest offender.
you won't believe some of the ads that claim the suplements will help you grow 
bigger, stronger, etc.. never saying that if you eat a good balanced meal 
(high in protein) you won't need it!   Yup, beta carotene is being pushed 
pretty heavy as well.

 

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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: headaches (was Re: Xanax)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:38:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Gordon Banks raises an interesting issue when he speaks of "high priced
seminars." I'm not sure I understand what he's objecting to.

There are many such seminars that people find unobjectionable, such
as sales, real estate, etc. They are judged by their content and
usefulness, not their delivery format. Ultimately, university
classes are a form of dramatically higher priced "seminars" than
the high priced seminars Gordon refers to.

Is it the delivery of what Gordon might consider therapy? If so,
one recalls the strong objections by some to group therapy when
it first started. Some of these objections called into question
the motives of the group leaders, the likelihood of such therapies
working (in a world of a one-on-one pre-existing therapeutic
context), etc. Yet they are now considered mainstream therapeutic
approaches by many (for some, but not all kinds of complaints). Thus
there's the possibility that the "seminar" modality Gordon mentions
is simply the next step in therapeutic delivery for some complaints.

Note, by the way, that in the case of est people were told
specifically that it was NOT therapy, and were denied registration if
they were seeking it as therapy. Moreover, if they were in therapy,
they were required to have their therapist's permission to enroll, and
weren't accepted unless they were "winning" in therapy-- making
progress on what they had sought out their therapy for. The
Scientologists make no such requirements, so lumping it with est in
that sense is inappropriate.

Well, I think there's enough material here to begin to clarify some of
the issues raised by Gordon when he speaks of "high priced seminars."

David
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: the invasion of the NLP droids (was Re: Xanax)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:15:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Steve Dyer continues to substitute mockery for rational argumentation.
All that does is reveal who he is out of his own mouth. Readers may
decide for themselves what they think of such non-sense and
ignore-ance. I'm outta here.

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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 17:27:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Gordon Banks mentions the NLP headache cure. I've seen it demonstrated
many times, and it seems to work then and there. It is situational--that
is, it cures the headache you have right now, but doesn't prevent
later recurrence. Using the same technique (a pretty simple mental
exercise) when the headache recurs "cures" it again.

I don't want to get into a discussion of the word "cure" so I'd
be equally happy with "temporary symptom suppression." Those with
headaches seem pretty happy about it though.

The basic process is pretty simply, and can be done by anyone. Try it:

Close your eyes.
Where, exactly is your headache?
What size is it?
What shape is it?
What color is it?
What size is it now?
What shape is it now?
etc.

Repeat this process until it disappears.

At any step, if the answer is "I don't know" ask yourself the question
"Well, if you did know, what (size) would it be?"

The above sounds silly and can't possibly work, but it does. There
are many explanations for why it does. The NLP people say something
about shifting focus and externalizing, as I recall. There's also something
about "submodalities"-the visual, auditory, and kinesthetic details
of the headache.

Another NLP process might be to imagine the headache (after the above
identification of its submodalities) shrinking, and then shooting it
into the sun in a rocket, where it burns up. Dunno about that one, though.

Werner Erhard used to use something similar many years ago when he was
doing est training seminars. His version was called "The Famous est
Headache Cure".
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Anti-psychiatry": Cool the flames  ...was: Re: Xanax
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:46:56 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep3.091357.29655@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>
>Anxiety and mood disorders afflict women more often than men.

Is there a solid biological basis for this, or could it be that our culture
does not train women to cope with adversity?  (Or, conversely, trains
men to be _too_ stoical?)


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From: basturk@nebin.cica.fr (Erol Basturk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bates and myopia treatment
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:42:47 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

So, if Bates method doesn't work, is there any other way to
reduce myopia once it has started apart from surgery and glasses ?

What about the American Association For Myopia ?
Could anyone tell me about that association ?
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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA/ Amino Acids/ Smart Drugs
Keywords: amino acids   FDA   alternative approaches
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:16:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Sep11.140057.16921@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.192654.0644940@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>>Banning tryptophan because it's dangerous in combination with Prozac
>>is like banning Tums because it's dangerous in combination with
>>tetracycline.

>Tryptophan is off the market because of its association with EMS, that's all.
>It has nothing to do with Prozac or any other drug.  Sheesh.

Since it seems that EMS was caused not by tryptophan, but by a contaminant,
and since that contaminant is now tested for, why is it still off the market?

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From: kevin@msa3b.UUCP (Kevin P. Kleinfelter)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Reading for prospective dad-to-be
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:36:11 GMT
Organization: Dun and Bradstreet Software, Inc., Atlanta, GA

"The Birth of a Father"
I don't recall the author. Paperback.
Oriented toward psychological aspects, not the practical aspects
(i.e. "you might be feeling x," and now "here's how to change a diaper.")
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From: basturk@nebin.cica.fr (Erol Basturk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Bates and myopia treatment
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:29:42 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

Since a few months, I have been interested in the still relatively
dim subject of myopia treatment.

There is at the moment 2 main ways to help myopic people to have 
a clear sight: optic lens and operation.

In 1918, Dr. W. Bates, published a book, "A better Eyesight without
glasses", which seems to be the beginning of a new way of
considering optical problems of the eye. Since then, many books and
articles have been written on the subject, which seems to indicate a
rich domain of investigation. However, the eye treatement seems to
be still an alternative science, for reasons which remains obscur.
 
To the former vision of eye muscles tensions due to stress, food and
psychology have also stepped into the field of visual reeducation.

I have not yet found any people who could inform me on the statistics
made on the result of such technics to improve eyesight.

I would also be highly interested in talking to someone who had been
able to apply successfully these technics on himself.

Thanks,

Erol Basturk
 
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From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Depression: Nutritional treatments
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:20:03
Organization: CSUA/UCB
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In-reply-to: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu's message of Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:38:14 EDT

In article <1992Sep10.093815.21854@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:

   Hey, I'm glad your friend is feeling better but whoa....considerable
   agreement among who, the people who sell amino acids?  While precursor
   loading (a "nutritional" approach) makes sense in some neurological
   disorders (e.g., parkinson's) there is no clear evidence that amino
   acids reliably help any kind of depression.

My friend had depressive episodes lasting a few days each, and found
phenylalanine helped them.  I know someone else who has been depressed
for years who tried it with no noticable effect.  I suspect the
underlying causes of short and long depressions (when physical)
are different but don't know much about the subject.

I've taken phenylalanine tablets a few times and noticed a change
in my mental state within 1-2 hours (made me feel more energetic
but somewhat "wired").  Might be a placebo effect, I don't know.

   IT would be EASY to conduct a trial of phenylalanine or tyrosine
   versus placebo in depression.  If somebody did it, and it worked,
   we'd all be taking and prescribing phenylalanine rather than
   imipramine and prozac.

I believe such trials have been done.  "Life Extension" gives
references, if I remember correctly.  "We'd all be taking and
prescribing phenylalanine rather than imipramine and prozac" makes no
sense: by that logic, if imiprimine works, why is does anyone use
prozac (or any of the other antidepressants)?  Different chemical
agents help different kinds of depressions, and phenylalanine appears
to be such an agent.  Possibly it ought to be used more than it is.
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