HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjp@psda.jvnc.net (Ron Plummer)
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Organization: Professional Software Development Associates, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.040855.9171@news2.cis.umn.edu> rownd@urchin.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd) writes:
>From: rownd@urchin.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
>Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:08:55 GMT
>In article <yabi.9.721693314@ellis.uchicago.edu> yabi@ellis.uchicago.edu (Scott Thomas Yabiku) writes:
>>In article <BxMJLI.n0B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek) writes:
>>

It actually stands for <go for> it....

					rjp


>>>	Who is the idiot who named it GOPHER? I almost have to say it with
>>>"stupid" sounding tone in my voice.
>>>
>>>	I really like gopher - the access to information in such a format
>>>is a great idea - but they oughta call it something that people can feel proud
>>>about when they use it!
>>
>>Well, there's actually a sound reason why it's called Gopher.  It was
>>developed at the University of Minnesota--and guess what their mascot
>>is?
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Have a nice day!  :)
>>
>
>	Yep, we're up to our necks in gophers out here.  As a matter of
>	fact I've lived in Minnesota since 1979 and I have yet to see
>	a gopher anywhere!  Where are the buggers!  We have an amazing
>	squirrel population, so I don't see why Minnesota isn't the 
>	Squirrels.  Besides, one is hardly more macho than the other
>	and the football team is already 1-7 or 1-8 anyway so it can't
>	hurt to correct this little inconsistency!  Maybe 
>	the Minnesota Bitchin' Squirrels would even help generate
>	some $$$ thru t-shirt sales, etc...  Now where am I...???
>	I've lost it again...
From: catone@dmark.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:27:51 GMT
	<Bxoxqt.Jvo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<YANDROS.92Nov16030217@deathtongue.MIT.EDU>
	<Bxt76u.2Mz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
In-reply-to: lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 16 Nov 92 12:40:06 GMT

In article <Bxt76u.2Mz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek) writes:

   >Heh.  Until this year, MIT students in Course 6 (that's Electrical
   >Enginerring and Computer Science, for those of you who don't use
   >numbers for EVERYTHING :-)  started out programming in Scheme on a
   >machine made by HP, called a `Chipmunk'.  This last year, they were
   >replaced with HP 9000 `Snakes'.  

	   I was refferring to a machine developed - and marketed - on a large
   scale. So don't tell me HP a model Chipmunk or Snakes - those were names
   given by your school.

Wrong.  The HP 9000-700 series of machines is the HP "Snake" series of
machines.  There are actually specific names for the models, i.e. an
HP 9000-720 is a viper or some such, but everyone I know just refers
to them as Snakes.  This includes third party vendors of products for
the HP Snakes; I've spoken with quite a few of them, as HP peripheral
prices vary quite a bit.


- Tony
  catone@dmark.wharton.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek)
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:40:06 GMT

>> Just think if someone named a COMPUTER gopher. GOD what a marketing
>> disaster that would be.

>Heh.  Until this year, MIT students in Course 6 (that's Electrical
>Enginerring and Computer Science, for those of you who don't use
>numbers for EVERYTHING :-)  started out programming in Scheme on a
>machine made by HP, called a `Chipmunk'.  This last year, they were
>replaced with HP 9000 `Snakes'.  

	I was refferring to a machine developed - and marketed - on a large
scale. So don't tell me HP a model Chipmunk or Snakes - those were names
given by your school.

	Naming a single program or machine something cute is just fine.

PS:	Scheme?!?!?! ughgh!!! U of I started making us program in that this
	year - I suppose it has been spreading everywhere - in fact we're
	using MIT scheme and a book published at MIT... OH THANKS GUYS!!! ;)
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Subject: Summary: Internet software and FTP's PC/TCP package
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:12:39 GMT

Here is my summary of Internet software compatible with FTP Software's PC/TCP
package.  Many thanks to everybody who responded to my query.  If your
favorite package is missing from this list, send me some e-mail describing it!

The following are software packages compatible with FTP Software's PC/TCP:

tasman.cc.utas.edu.au
	/pc/trumpet/abi-version/
		newsabi.zip	Trumpet NNTP reader
		newsftp.zip	shim for PC/TCP

ftp.cica.indiana.edu
	/pub/pc/win3/utils
		cmm21s.zip	read mail w/PC-NFS, send mail with PC/TCP RSH

casbah.acns.nwu.edu
	/pub/nupop
		nupop103.zip	POP mail client (+ Finger, IP finder, Webster)

oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
	/public/dos/misc
		archied.exe	Archie client
		dosgofer.exe	Gopher client
		oacwais.exe	WAIS client

wsmr-simtel20.army.mil
	PD1:<MSDOS.MODEM>
		CONEX62.ZIP	terminal emulation, session management, file
				transfer via serial, INT14, or telnet

Not available for anonymous ftp yet:
(to be released RSN)
		FTPNuz		NNTP news reader

Qualcomm Inc is currently porting Eudora (SMTP, POP) from the Mac to the PC for
both DOS and Windows.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
From: yandros@MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:02:20 GMT
Organization: /mit/yandros/.organizations
NNTP-Posting-Host: deathtongue.mit.edu
In-reply-to: lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 14 Nov 92 05:25:40 GMT


> Just think if someone named a COMPUTER gopher. GOD what a marketing
> disaster that would be.

Heh.  Until this year, MIT students in Course 6 (that's Electrical
Enginerring and Computer Science, for those of you who don't use
numbers for EVERYTHING :-)  started out programming in Scheme on a
machine made by HP, called a `Chipmunk'.  This last year, they were
replaced with HP 9000 `Snakes'.  

--
-->Chad Phillip Brown<--||INTERNET:---->yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU
------------------------||NeXT:---------->yandros@milo.mit.edu
-->Student Information<-||UUCP:-->mit-eddie!mit-athena!yandros		
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----->CSSConsultant<----||US:--->19 Myrtle;Somerville MA;02143
-------->IS-DCNS<-------||Voice:----------------->617-623-0877
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: Where to get gopher?
From: Joe Simpson <JSIMPSON@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 11:10:03 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <-skqcwa@lynx.unm.edu>, datkins@triton.unm.edu (Drexel Atkinson CIRT)
says:
>
>I know of several places that have gopher, but is there a place that
>definetly has the most current version of gopher clients and servers for
>all systems??
>thanks,
>        drex
Gopher's home is at the Unversity of Minnesota.
They maintain a gopher/ftp site with software standards and a very
impressive example implementation of a campus wide information system.
Once you have a gopher, you can get others from this site.  To bootstrap
ftp boombox.micro.umn.edu.
logon anonymous.
They are a good place to 'find' other gopher servers as well.
 
The gopher entry for this site is boombox.micro.umn.edu,70
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: rownd@urchin.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:08:55 GMT

In article <yabi.9.721693314@ellis.uchicago.edu> yabi@ellis.uchicago.edu (Scott Thomas Yabiku) writes:
>In article <BxMJLI.n0B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek) writes:
>
>>	Who is the idiot who named it GOPHER? I almost have to say it with
>>"stupid" sounding tone in my voice.
>>
>>	I really like gopher - the access to information in such a format
>>is a great idea - but they oughta call it something that people can feel proud
>>about when they use it!
>
>Well, there's actually a sound reason why it's called Gopher.  It was
>developed at the University of Minnesota--and guess what their mascot
>is?
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Have a nice day!  :)
>

	Yep, we're up to our necks in gophers out here.  As a matter of
	fact I've lived in Minnesota since 1979 and I have yet to see
	a gopher anywhere!  Where are the buggers!  We have an amazing
	squirrel population, so I don't see why Minnesota isn't the 
	Squirrels.  Besides, one is hardly more macho than the other
	and the football team is already 1-7 or 1-8 anyway so it can't
	hurt to correct this little inconsistency!  Maybe 
	the Minnesota Bitchin' Squirrels would even help generate
	some $$$ thru t-shirt sales, etc...  Now where am I...???
	I've lost it again...
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:14:52 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


Gopher is also widely used for someone who does small, odd jobs on request. 
Seems appropriate to me. 


-- 
Geoff. Lane. | Internet: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk | Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: Carlos Reed <creed@fse.ulaval.ca>
Subject: Boolean operators on a query
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72FF4D032023229@tequila.fse.ulaval.ca>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:25:36 GMT
Organization: Universite Laval
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:18:19 GMT

Hi gang!

Does any body know if we can icnlude boolean operators when making a query
on one of the WAIS Based info srcs.?


Carlos Reed   creed@fse.ulaval.ca
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: simpsong@dns0.bham.ac.uk (Glyn Simpson)
Subject: Gopher to news interface
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:39:47 GMT
Reply-To: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Can anyone tell me where i can get a Gopher interface to news, which is
easy to set up? I've found something called gnews which interfaces into
nn, but am wondering whether there is anything else.

--
Glyn Simpson, Systems Officer,  //  Voice: +44 (0) 21 414 6575
University of Birmingham        //  Fax:   +44 (0) 21 414 3952
Email: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk     //  NIC Handle: GS56
Xref: sparky alt.gopher:1379 comp.infosystems.gopher:1275
From: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott A. Yanoff)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher,comp.infosystems.gopher
Subject: Here it is: A list of telnettable gophers..
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:42:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, WI
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From my Internet Services Listing: (for more info, finger my account)

 -Gopher         telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu or telnet 134.84.132.4
	         telnet panda.uiowa.edu or telnet 128.255.63.234
		 telnet gdunix.gd.chalmers.se or 129.16.221.40 (SWEDISH)
		 telnet gopher.uiuc.edu or telnet 128.174.33.160
		 telnet gopher.unt.edu or telnet 129.120.1.42
		 telnet tolten.puc.cl or telnet 146.155.1.16 (CHILE)
		 telnet wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu  (Login: wsuinfo)
		 telnet una.hh.lib.umich.edu or 141.211.190.102
		+telnet gopher.ora.com or telnet 140.186.65.25
  Offers:  access to other services, gophers, documents, etc. (Login: gopher)

-Scott
-- 
 _/\ _ !\ _         @           Milwaukee, WI - A Great Place by a Great Lake
!  _! !! ! !_  ~~  @ ~  ~~         
! ! ! !! ! ! !~~__=||_~ ~~~          *** Computing Services Division ***
! ! ! _! ! ~~~ ~\____/  ~~~ yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: VMCCOY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Vince McCoy)
Subject: Re: ore people would use gopher if ...
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:31:34 GMT

Gopher also has the image of burrowing through the Internet in search of
information.  I rather like that picture and don't mind the name a bit.
Gopher is not IMHO intended for the techies out there who already know
how to get anyplace they want on the Internet.  It is for novices who
are definitely intimidated by computerese.  The point is we are getting
them onto the Internet finding the information they need.  That's the bottom
line.
 
Vincent McCoy
User Services Specialist
Northwestern University Library
Evanston, IL 60208-2300
INTERNET & BITNET: VMCCOY@NWU.EDU
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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: Summary: Internet software and FTP's PC/TCP package
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:52:46 GMT

markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:

>Not available for anonymous ftp yet:
>(to be released RSN)
>		FTPNuz		NNTP news reader

this sounds like it might be real interesting..

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:51:24 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Well there's a software company based in the UK and most of their software
is called after animals: DOGS, PIGS, WORMS, COW, PUMAS, LIONS, BULLS,
MICE, OTTER etc. I know I wanted a job working with animals but this is
ridiculous.
-- 
_____________________________________________________________
Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre
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Newsgroups: alt.med.cfs
Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:45:00 CST
              <CFS-L@NIHLIST.BITNET>
From:         "DAVID J. ACKERMAN" <ACKERMDJ@MEMSTVX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lyme disease and CFS

David:
I have been watching this thread with interest and would like to
raise a question which has come up on immune-disorders list as there may be
a common thread here.

In your research on Lyme's, have you found any evidence of either
lowered glutathione levels or of inhibited glutathione activtity? Is there
anything in the Lyme toxin which might either inhibit or block glutathione
activity?

Pat Wilcox has raised such a possibility on that list and has some
limited lab results which give it some support from the perspective of
environmental illness and immune system depression. From a quick serach of
UNCOVER@ CARL the other night, it appeared that there may be some medical
literature which supports a correlation between glutathione deficiency and
some immune suppressed diseases...

Just a thought in the interest of finding something - anything- to
help us all...

Regards,
Dave Ackerman
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:12:33 EST
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From:         fac nancy evans <nancy@LIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Exercise and Yoga

Just a short note in response to Kate's question of whether others have
also had to VERY slowly build up to exercise and hitting blocks where you
can't seem to do more.  I decided to try walking about 2 years ago just
to get some kind of exercise.  I started being able to do all of about 2
minutes, really  -- I actually began by just walking around the perimeter
of my yard, and I live in a city neighborhood, so we are not talking acres
here.  If I did more, I got weak, tired, etc.  I moved up to walking across
the street and maybe 2 houses down over a period of about a month.  Increasing
at about that rate, I am now up to 15 to 20 minute walks usually twice a day.

But, I did spend months sometimes with no increase.  I found out early that
doing too much more just set me way back -- in bed for a few days, extra
weak, etc. -- as many people have mentioned.  I then decided not to push it
at all.  On days (or even weeks) when I don't feel up to it, I do only 5
minute walks or simply skip the whole thing.

A few things that have helped me walk more:  Walking with my dog rather
than on my own (he only weighs 20 pounds but he can really pull that leash,
and every so often I just coast along!); walking with a friend (who understands
my limits), for the company; skipping walks in heat/humidity (which makes
me weak in and of itself, and is really draining for me if combined with
exercise); walking only at my "peak" times in a day, never just after a get
up and never when hungry; resting when I come back (at least sitting down
for 10 minutes) rather than moving into some other task (mental or physical).

Hope this helps.

Nancy Evans
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Newsgroups: alt.med.cfs
Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:33:00 EST
              <CFS-L@NIHLIST.BITNET>
From:         Roger Burns <BFU@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      seeking help in Massachusetts

For housing & others needs in Mass., I'd suggest trying to network
through the Mass. CFIDS Assoc. -- ask them to put you (or your sister)
in contact with the local support group nearest to Lexington.  I don't
have their address at hand just now, but their phone # is 1-617-893-4415
although they only answer their phone from 1pm-3pm, if I remember correctly
(there's a message on their answering tape which makes that clear).


-- Roger Burns              bfu@cu.nih.gov    bfu@nihcu.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:24:03 EST
              <CFS-L@NIHLIST.BITNET>
From:         Dale Drake <DDRAKE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Exercise and Yoga

>Even trying 15 minutes of gentle stretching so often makes me feel so gross
>for the rest of the day, or longer, that I've stopped trying.  I guess I'm
>just wondering whether anyone has had similar problems, or if anyone has
>any suggestions for ways of building up.  I'd love to be able to take a
>yoga class, or even a breathing/relaxation class (does anyone know of any
>really easy ones in the Boston/Cambridge area?)  But I'm nervous about having
>to do anything at a set time.  Someone mentioned recently that they had a
>videotape of some short yoga classes -- sorry, I forget who, but if you're
>reading this, would you be willing to lend me the tape for a few days, so I
>could make a copy?  I have access to 2 VCR's, and would be happy to make a
>copy for anyone who wanted one.
>Well, I guess this post is getting long enough -- next time I'll have to
>remember to break it up into smaller paragraphs.  -- Kate

Hi, Kate!  I'm the one who has the tape of about 100 short yoga workouts,
and I too have two VCRs.  I'll be happy to copy it for you and mail it
to you.  Send me private email (DDRAKE@INDYCMS) with your address.

As for your other comments, for the first year I was absolutely amazed
at how little I could do.  Walking to the mailbox was often the main
event of the day.  I remember one day, after feeling pretty good for a
few days, deciding to try mopping the kitchen floor.  That short spurt
of domesticity decked me for a week.

The theme is repeated over and over ... do what you can, listen to your
body, ignore your programmed messages.  Don't push - ever.  It doesn't
work.

I have gotten better over time.  I'm not well now - I still schedule
10 hours sleep/laying in bed at night and a 2 hour nap in mid-afternoon.
But I'm coping.  I just got very concerned at my loss of muscle strength,
and the yoga definitely helps.  (I had trouble getting out of a chair
one day, and could tell that it was lack of muscle tone, not CFS
tiredness.)

Here's one for the group:  How do you answer the well-meaning friends
who say "You still have that?  Well, what are you doing about it?"
Our action society can't accept the answer "Waiting for it to go away",
which is exactly what I'm doing.
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Newsgroups: alt.med.cfs
Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:58:47 -0500
              <CFS-L@NIHLIST.BITNET>
From:         Walter Zimmerman <zimmerma@LIB.UWO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Dale's thank you to Roger
              92 9:56 am

>
> > >Well, I think this is an appropriate time to thank you, Roger, for starting
> > >this list and doing such a fine job maintaining it.  We all just sit here
> > >chattering away about our various aches and pains while you're working away
> > >in the background to keep us all informed and in touch.  It's a thankless
> > >job, I know ... except today, when you get one big *THANKS*!
> > >
> > >
> > >===  Dale
> >
> > I second that emotion! ;-)
> >
> You've got a third !!   - Susan Walker
>
And a fourth !!!!  and I move that the nominations be closed :-)
   -- Walter Zimmerman
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:12:00 EST
              <CFS-L@NIHLIST.BITNET>
From:         Ann Perbohner <ACPST2@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      exercise

I just want to add my 2 cents for exercise.  The doctor that diagnosed my CFS
said that exercise probably wasn't good for me.  Early on in my illness when I
did usual physical activity, I just couldn't handle it, or I'd sleep hours
afterwards or be in pain for days.  but now 8 yrs down the road some exercise
can make me feel MUCH better.  I find walking on a track helpful because I can
stop at any time and not be too far from where I started.  Swimming is my
preferred activity, when I can get myself to do it, then I feel so much better
(usually).  3-4x per week is when I am doing my regular amount of exercise.  I
still get motion sick in the water, so I get out when that happens. Using a
mask and snorkle has helped this problem alot.
        I used to referee my sons
soccer games, but I find the combination of running the field and having to
concentrate my mind fully on the game to be exhausting.  And I have a difficult
time remembering the rules!  I really struggle with wanting to remember these
rules just like all the other refs.  but I didn't learn soccer until after I had
CFS and some memory patterns just fly by me.
--------------------------------

Ann Perbohner                              You lose nothing when you
                                                lose an illusion
acpst2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
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