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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Places to stay in SF
Keywords: things to see people to do, fun fun fun
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:31:59 GMT

smyers@whitney.eos.scg.hac.com (Steven Myers) wrote: 
->Can any of you good people from San Francisco give me some suggestions
->on where to stay when visiting your fine land?

the willows bed and breakfast inn, on fourteenth street near market
and church.  four blocks from the castro district, easy mass transit
to anything worth visiting, and a very comfortable place to stay with
reasonable prices.

->....  I hear you people
->don't use cars like we do in LA. So I'm curious if we should skip the
->rental car counter.

shoot your car; depending on your luck and skill, you should add
$20/day to the car costs for parking expense ... you *may* luck out
and find on-street parking ... and you may lose and have to pay.
better to not bother.

-> ... Also, any suggestions for places to go, or things
->to see?  We'd like to go see "beach blanket babalon". 

puke.  

->We're planning on leaving this Friday 1/29, so any replies after then
->will be less useful.  Thanks in advance!!  

go to a different light and pick up a copy of betty and pansy's severe
queer review of sf.  entertaining, and pretty accurate (imho).  be
sure you get the latest edition (should have a late '92 date); as you
know, clubs come and go, so a less current edition will be less
useful.

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:58626 soc.bi:19298
From: ahb0@aber.ac.uk (Anna He Baik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:01:02 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1jmvquINNp94@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.160816.26950@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>>
>>(2) since it is now undrinkable for bitterness, add a small quantity
>>of cold milk;
>>
>AND you MUST pour the milk BEFORE the tea, or you are REALLY a heathen!
>(and if you, like me, don't take milk with your tea, you must be some sort
>of savage) 
>
>Alpha

Hmmmm....I discovered something really weird this summer. I like honey in my tea
every now and then, and I discovered that if you put it in *before* adding the milk,
when you pour the milk in, it all turns grey....Weird...I like it tho, tis dead
gothy...:). I know it's not the honey, cos I've tried different types. Probably the
Traidcraft tea I drink....
swsus,
yon
and how this is relevant to anything in the world I don't know...<shrug>
but then that was never my strong point!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:06:56 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan25.042203.21865@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>In article <C1E16B.G4z@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. 
>Beason) writes:

>>We don't talk about it because it looks bad; for the same reason we don't talk
>>about domestic violence in same-sex couples, same-sex rape amongst openly gay/
>>les/bi folk, alcoholism in the community, etc.

>Maybe those things aren't talked about wherever the hell you are, but they
>are certainly discussed in the San Francisco Bay area. 

And because they are discussed in the Center of Known Gay Universe it
means these same issues are discussed all over the world?

The problem of domestic violence in same-sex relationships is just now
getting some coverage in the local press.  The only discussions of 
alcoholism (or any type of substance abuse) I see discussed publicly
are in "recovery center" advertisements in local gay publications.
Same-sex rape, if you listen to lesbigays or read any local rags, 
apparently doesn't exist or at least does not get reported as such.

I'm glad there are folks in the SF Bay area which "certainly discuss"
such seemingly invisible issues, but don't put yourself on a pedestal
because you're so damn progressive.  These issues _are_ looked on by
a large number in our community as "it makes us look bad" issues rather
than "see, we have the same serious problems as strayt folks" issues.

I live in a part of the country where these same problems, when seen 
from a heterosexual perspective, are still "just not talked about".
If your average yuppie het couple can't easily admit they've got a 
problem in "polite company", how can your average queer couple?

--
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:51:18 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

Here's a "brainless moron" vote from the West.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Sometimes you wake up.  Sometimes the fall kills you.  And sometimes, when
you fall, you fly."                                                -- N. Gaiman
From: rik@world.std.com (Rik Ahlberg)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Coming out at work
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:02:45 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Can anyone point me in the direction of specific resources (printed matter
or electronic files) related to coming out at work?

I'm quite out at work and need some resources to cite for those who want
to learn (be they closeted or straight) what the coming out process
involves and how to deal with the whole enchilada of "gayness in the
workplace".

Suggestions?

Rik

Rik Ahlberg        McKinsey & Company, Inc. voice 617-457-2080
rik@world.std.com  Boston Office              fax 617-457-2099
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:28:17 GMT
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan21.115306.4305@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.101331.11070@resonex.com>
>michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
>
>>[Or perhaps this strange problem
>>stems from that recent night where the number of men just couldn't
>>be counted reliably...  ;-)]
>
>Sounds inordinally sinful to me.

Oh, most certainly!  However, although the action was continuous,
I was discrete.
-- 
Michael Bryan     michael@resonex.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dem@cs.Princeton.EDU (Doron Meyer)
Subject: soc.motss brunch in NYC: thank you
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:23:56 GMT

I'm posting this to publicly thank everyone who attended the
soc.motss brunch in New York last Sunday for a wonderful time.

Everyone was stupendously nice to me and me feel right at home.
Those time I spent with you was great, and made it so
hard to come back home again.  I can't thank you all enough.
It really helped me to become more comfortable with this
facet of my identity.

I only hope that one day I can reciprocate.

Doron
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:14:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpuerca.C1GvoL.29q
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <C1GCsG.n7@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <65-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>>...  and the refrain from that indigo girls song i mentioned in my
>>last post on this topic starts:
>>
>>juliet, when we made love you used to cry...
>>
>>sounds dykey to ME!  *grin*

>Is it the beginning of "Romeo + Juliet," by Dire Straits?  If so, it
>might only be dykey in context.

Yup.  Amy Ray and Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls) included a version on 
their last album _Rites of Passage_ which was really a solo effort by Amy.
It's a remake of the Dire Straits version -- a little histrionic for my
taste, but it rocks nonetheless.

And there's enough other members of the Indigo Girls' mailing list here
that I _won't_ _even_ _touch_ the topic that dare not speak its name --
right?

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Last Song
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:10:58 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Bob Donahue writes:
>        This morning I just realized that Cr*m*r hasn't posted in
>a while.

You forgot the "knock wood!"  ;-)

>        Can we please work very hard to avoid responding to H*
>on the *.motss groups?

Ditto, ditto, absolutely.  I found it interesting that just as
Cr*m*r wasn't posting, H* and a couple of the other members of
the Asterisk Asylum started popping up.

 
() It's good to hope; it's the waiting that spoils it.
()      -- Yiddish proverb
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:51:30 CST

In article <53-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP>
ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

   well, my first political memory is of nixon resigning.

In article <C1A5pz.MLE@unix.amherst.edu>
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

   Actually, that would be close to mine, too.

[My first political memory -- one month after I turned four, I
remember my mother coming home on Election day and me asking
her if she voted for Kennedy.  But that's not the point of this
post.]

It's very strange that Ailsa and Tim should mention this on a
related thread to my recent post about playing _America the
Beautiful_ for Bill Clinton the other day.  Because this reminded
me of the last big political/emotional crowd experience I had
(perhaps the only other one in my life), and this also involved
_America the Beautiful_, on the night Nixon resigned.

On the night that Nixon was scheduled to make his speech
that turned out to be his resignation speech, I was attending
the Fox Hollow Folk Festival in Petersberg New York with my
family.  This was a wonderful music festival, held on
a wooded, rocky natural amphitheatre in upstate New York.
It was a friendly festival, lots of nice folks crowded together
on blankets and folding chairs in a setting of old stone walls
and ponds and paths and trees. 

It was "children's day" at the festival, and the evening concert
began with a fairly lengthy play -- I think it was a version
of the Rutabaga Stories.  The festival organizers announced
in advance that they would not interrupt the play should
there be a political announcement on the radio.  Some folks
went to listen to the speech in their cars, but most people
stayed and watched the show.  At the end of the show, the
MC came out and announced that Richard Nixon had resigned
from the Presidency.  There was a brief moment of silence,
then the crowd began to sing _America the Beautiful_.  Glorious
voices, wonderful harmony.  Obviously one person started the
song, but the crowd picked up the singing so fast (and so
gently) that it seemed a simultaneous thing.

As at the swearing in of Clinton, there was a general sense
in the crowd that a long, evil era was, perhaps, finally
over.  It was a wonderful, wonderful feeling.

Is this an object lesson?

-Steven Levine
 steven@cray.com



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: chavez@quorum.com (R. Martin Chavez)
Subject: G&L MILITARY BAN: Call the White House NOW!
Organization: Quorum Software Systems, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:17:14 GMT


*************************NGLTF ALERT*****************************************
Many citizens of the US are sending messages by phone and mail to the White
House urging President Clinton to NOT lift the ban on gays and lesbians in the
military.  It is essential that our voices in support of ending the 50 year ban
are heard:
 
IMMEDIATELY DO THE FOLLOWING:
 
1.  Telephone the White House at 202-456-1111 and tell them to lift the ban
now.  If you get a busy signal,  keep trying.  It doesn't count unless you
connect.
 
2.  Write and send by overnight mail if possible to the White House at the
following address:
 
President Bill Clinton
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.,
Washington. D.C.  20500
 
3.   Legislation is being introduced in the House and Senate to make the ban
enforceable by legislation.  (Remember the ban was instituted through an
Executive Order 50 yrs ago - legislation could make the ban into LAW!!!)  It is
essential you immediate call and write your Congressperson and Senator and let
them know you oppose such legislation.  Senators are the most important right
now - VISIT THEM IN PERSON IF POSSIBLE.
 
4.  Get all of your friends and work associates to do all of the above!!!!.
 
Thank you!!!
 
Elizabeth Birch and Curt Shepard
CoChairs Board of Directors NGLTF
 

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Into the streets!
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:52:20 GMT

From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
: 
:         Is the ban a good thing?  Of course not.  But pardon me from
: 	wanting to rank things like equal rights for everyone against
: 	a specific career opportuninty for a few. 
: 
Please don't forget that the ban resulted in many young "victims" of the
draft receiving dishororable discharges.  While the current military is
not staffed via the draft, it could happen again.

Greg.


--
My words, not Motorola's.   * ______ *
gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \ BI / * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.
Greg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \  /  *         SILENCE = DEATH
Motorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \/   *     First, be true to yourself.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: soc.motss, the MOW, Elvis, and the Pentagon
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:56:24 GMT

tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>I'll be at any dinner/party/orgy that soc.motsseurs plan MOW93 weekend!

How about a sit-down dinner orgy?  Black toga, of course.

>bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>>Are there any other motssi who are planning to participate in the
>>CD on April 26?  "Might like you betta if we were arrested together."

>I'm giving it serious thought.  I haven't been arrested for a good
>cause in a long time.

Great, Tom!  I'd love to share a jail cell with you.  That could be a
hot scene.  :)  

::: begin obElvis digression :::
Has anyone else carefully read the lyrics to the third stanza from 
_Jailhouse Rock_?

   Number Forty-Seven said to Number Three,
   "You're the cutest jailbird that I ever did see.
   I sure would be delighted with your com-pa-ny.
   Come on and do the Jailhouse Rock with me!"

As long as I digress, here's another good one from _Teddy Bear_:

   Baby let me be your lovin' teddy bear.
   Put a chain around my neck and lead me anywhere!
   Oh let me be (oh let him be!) your teddy bear.
   (pah pah d dah, pah pah d dah) 

Spot the hidden clue!  Win a cabal decoder ring.  
::: end obElvis digression :::

The more Congress and the Pentagon threaten to block Clinton's executive
order, the more immediacy the March takes on.  A major undercurrent of
rage for the '87 March was the Bowers v. Hardwick decision of July '86.
I was beginning to think this was going to be some kind of love-fest.  
In some ways it's good that the Pentagon is kicking up such a fuss, 
it will shake us out of what I see as a rapidly spreading complaisency 
since Clinton won the election.  The right wing certainly isn't being 
complaisent, as anyone in a targeted state can attest.  The March needs
an angry edge.  There is plenty still to be angry about.

Is it just me, or is the Pentagon looking amazingly childish over this
whole exec order thing?  I mean, one by one all the tired fig leaves
justifying the ban have been stripped away until we're left with a bunch 
of insecure adolescents with a lot of guns who don't want to shower with 
those icky queers.  I've always thought there were two professions 
that should be banned by the Surgeon General as prolonged exposure 
to them results in irreversable personality damage -- the military, and 
traveling salespeople.  

-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c++g+k++s-e++  | Collars and blindfolds and bullwhips
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)      | that sting, these are a few
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)   | of my favorite things
From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Need up-to-date Info on Sodomy Laws
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:09:04 GMT
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcesmi.ce.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


I need some information that I'm sure is available via anonymous ftp
somewhere (but I don't know where!).  I'd like to get a list of the
states which have sodomy laws and a list of the states & cities which
prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation.  Although I can
ftp outside of HP, for some reason I couldn't access nifty.andrew.cmu.edu.

If someone would e-mail me either the lists or a pointer to an anonymous
ftp machine, I'd be very thankful.
--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
From: Randu@cup.portal.com (Randall - Jabaay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:19:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


(cont)
>lasaga@corral.uwyo.edu writes:
>However,if you want to engage in sex with a minor who doesn't know
>enough or hasn't the power to say "no",then I have to say that you
>should NOT do it.

I agree wholeheartedly.Any sex that's forced on another person is rape.
But will you also grant a minor the power to say "yes"?

Randy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Clinton Names White House E-Mail Director
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 14:14:17 GMT

In article <93027.151901U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> U45301@uicvm.uic.edu (MJ) writes:
>Yes there is.  75300.3115@compuserve.com

Really... whose address is this?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Subject: Re: Places to stay in SF
Keywords: things to see people to do, fun fun fun
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:26:02 GMT

smyers@net1.ics.uci.edu (Steven A. Myers) writes:

>Can any of you good people from San Francisco give me some suggestions
>on where to stay when visiting your fine land?  A friend and I are are

My last trip to Mecca, I stayed at the Willows B&B at Church and
Market.  It is essentially in the Castro area, and even better it
is right across the street from the Church Street Muni station
which is one stop away from Castro Street Station.  It also can
get you to many other parts of the city if you don't have a car.

The accomodations were wonderful, the price very inexpensive (sorry
shared bath), and the proprietors very nice and helpful.  

The Willows Inn
710 14th St.
415-431-4770

Have fun,
Jim Hubbs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: VAX - The incredible Facts!
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:43:32 GMT

In article <727704238snx@drummond.demon.co.uk> graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.190006.12270@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan21.172206.14782@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>> >rough and thick from all that woodchopping and VAX system management.
>>                                                 ^^^
>> Most be a story about trolls.
>> There is a whole generation of 20-something computer hackers that have never seen a VAX.
>> 
>
>I'm twenty-something and I know what a VAX is - it's a combined carpet
>shampoo-er and vacuum cleaner!  I've got one.  :-)

VAX 3 in 1 Carpet Care

Vacuum - clear up spills - unique deep wash!

 1) VAX is a light, extra-powerful cylinder vacuum cleaner, to use on
carpets, stairs, curtains, everywhere.
 2) VAX also absorbs spilled liuids fast. It sucks up spills before
they stain, unblocks drains, and removes water after freezer
defrosting.
 3) VAX - and _only_ VAX - can wash your carpet. It circulates a
special solution through the carpet fibres, cleaning them right down
to the backing. Then it simultaneously sucks the solution back, - and
with it, all the destructive grit and color dimming dirt that ordinary
vacuums leave behind.

VAX means fitted carpets that stay brigher, softer, deeper, longer!

-----
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-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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