HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 07:34:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.203535.23894@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu
(angela watson) writes:
>...
>There isn't much point... but I wasn't about to let someone who caused me
>so much pain to gain anything from my release. It's hard to see how someone
>can live like that (it wasn't easy for me to do), but when there is
>_nothing_ left for you here, why not try to even up the tally a little
>before you go?

Because revenge assumes that someone bears total blame for something.
That is _never_ the case.  Life is far too complicated to say that
someone, even the worst person, bears total blame for his actions.

"Unpleasant" people (i.e. people who screwed you over, etc.) are, in
large part, created by their society.  There is some degree of self-will,
but there is never total self-will.  Just ask those adults who were 
abused as children; one can trace their behavioral disorders back to
their childhood.

Therefore, there is _no_ place for revenge in this life.  There is
_no_ justification for revenge.

So, what should you do?  Walk away from it.  Deal with the pain
that you've got, and if you can't deal with it, perhaps its best
to just "pack up" and "leave" for the next life.

But whatever you do, don't screw someone else; otherwise, the
vicious cycle--you screw them, they screw someone else, and so on--
will never end.  It's a shame that you got screwed, but life isn't
fair.  You just have to accept it.

>  I wanted my pleasure to be for me, not for those who
>tried to ruin my life.

Just relax, dear.   Have a beer.  Have several beers.

And think about that bit of Japanese philosophy:  shooganai.
It means, "It can't be helped.  Just accept it."  I know.  It's
crappy.

But maybe in the next life, you'll bet a better hand from the
Dealer.

>...

P.S.

I know how frustrating it can be.  Recently, my friend John briefly
exchanged e-mail with someone; he enjoyed the exchange.  Unfortunately, he
revealed a little too much; he revealed his ethnicity.

Shortly thereafter, he received no more e-mail from the person.
Imagine that.  It's not even something that John can "correct".

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Suicide rate among male and females
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:02:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

According to the Home News experts as of May 1992,
male suicides outnumber female suicides 3 to 1 --
among teens that number is 4 to 1.

 According to The Washington Post more suicides occured by black males 
on Thursdays.

  The avergae US suicide rate currently hovers around 12 per 100,000.

New Zealand has the highest suicide rate among teens, in 1989 it
was 31.2 out of 100,000 for males and for women 6.9.
From: walsh+@pitt.edu (Alan M Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Reasons/seasons for suicide
Summary: Gender studies/opinions?
Keywords: Query
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:58:54 GMT
Followup-To: suicide rate seasonal dependencies
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Salutations ASH'ers

     I've noticed the topic of seasonal influences on suicide rates several
times in the last couple months, and references to written info (and
personal opinions) about the existence/causes of these dependencies.
Does anyone know if there is a gender influence on suicide rates?  It seems
most of the people that post on ASH are male (but that's true in just about
every newsgroup).  I'd be interested to know about any numbers regarding
male vs female suicide rates, and any personal opinions about whether
motives differ, and/or whether people's experiences match the numbers
of male vs female suicide rates.  Personally I've known several more women
than men who've attempted suicide, but all the successful ones have been male.

thanks,
alan (no .sig, really)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:08:27 GMT

Just me banging my head against the wall...

					psycho kitten
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Cyanide
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:18:59 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

I just printed off the methods file, and one of the 1st things I spot is 
Cyanide: very difficult to get hold of.

Well it isn't.  Hydrangeas are full of it - so much so that it's possible to 
get high by smoking hydrangea leaves (well, not high so much as sideways-
buzzed).  Where I heard about this, they said 'stop as soon as you feel the 
effects coz the effects are due to cyanide and you don't want too much!'

So you can probably do an extraction, or make a very strong tea, or a cake, 
or smoke a LOT of it, or something

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: mdouglas@orac.holonet.net (Michael L. Douglas-Llyr)
Subject: Re: Rye (sp?) music
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:18:12 GMT

========================
 	I don't know if rai is illegal or not, but I do know that the
 	 Algerian gov't.  attempts to suppress it.  Much of it is
 	 political in nature, and represents contempt for authority. 
 	 The titles (Cheb for males, Cheba for females) that the rai
 	 artists use mean "kid".  From what I understand, this is in
 	 reaction to the title used by older, "serious" Algerian
 	 musicians, which is "Sheik" (chief or master).  The sheik
 	 musical establishment is considered by the rai factions to
 	 be outmoded and mired in orthodoxy. 
 	 				regards,
 	 					michael (hokh'Ton)
From: peter@zap.France.Sun.COM (Peter Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Re: Rye (sp?) music
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:50:56 GMT
Reply-To: peter@zap.France.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zap.france.sun.com

In article 59410@mimsy.umd.edu, pataky@cs.umd.edu (Bill Pataky) writes:
>I was recently at a party when someone put a tape on that had 
>what was described to me as Algerian Rye (sp?) music.  Does
>anyone know anything about this type of music; it was really
>captivating, and I'd like to hear more.

There are a few Rai compilations albums out, one of which is called
"Rai Rebels" on the Earthworks label which I think is pretty good.
There's another album "Pop Rai Rachid Style" (labeled "Rai Rebels Part 2")
which I didn't like as much.  Anyway, as I remember the liner notes
had an introduction on the history and culture of Rai music (I think it
was and is now illegal in Algeria).

You might also check out some of the other recordings by artists on
that compilation (I particularly like Cheb Khaled and Chaba Fadela).

- peter
From: schulz@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey A. Schulz)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: Ofra Haza's new album.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:35:47 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: UB


 
 The new album is called "Kirya" and is on the Shanachie label.
 I give this recording a "B".
 For devout Ofra Haza fans such as myself, the music and the singing lacked
 the dynamics that made "Yemenite Songs" so good.
 Kudos to Ofra and the band though for not letting Thomas Dolby into the 
 recording studio with his pathetic drum machine.
 The music is mostly bongos and acoustic guitar and hip-hop rythym tracks -
 which change tempo little if at all thru the course of each song.
 Ofra's singing is of course still amazing, but the songs all seem to have
 that "yearning" overtone to them and come over as a bit monotonous when
 compared to the variation and intensity of the classics "Galbi" or I Want
 to Fly" from the earlier albums. 
 Iggy Pop (whom is lousy by the way) does the talking on the song
 "Daw Da Hi Ya" - this is a really neat song and emphasizes the best
 feature of the whole album - Ofra backed up by some really good Spanish 
 Flamenco guitar playing. 
 Anyways, the album is a must have, of course, and my critique should be
 taken with a grain of salt as I have a habit of assuming some albums were
 made for exclusively my own personal enjoyment. So overall for this album, 
 on a scale from great to really,really,really,really great, I give it a
 really,really great. 

 P.S.
 Here are the top three World Beat albums as compiled by me:

 1] "Heart of Uncle" - 3 Mustaphas 3
 2] "Yemenite Songs" - Ofra Haza
 3] "In the Baths of Constantinople" - Annabouboula
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
From: sorsha@wam.umd.edu (Laurie Beth Brunner)
Subject: not really exotic, but thought I'd ask
Summary: lyrics for Steeleye Span?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:36:04 GMT

Like I said, Steeleye Span isn't really exotic, but the Shanachie label
carries them and so many other kinds of music that I hope that someone
here will be familiar with the label.  I want to know if there is a way
to procure any/all (hopefully all) the lyrics and/or music to their
songs.  Any help offered will be much appreciated.

The Giver Goddess
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Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
Subject: <none>
From: guest49@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:19:48 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

I just thought that people might like to know that John Cage Died the day 
before yesterday.  He was a professor here at wesleyan University.  He had a 
stroke and died in New York.

I hope this is the right news group for this.

Jamie
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright)
Subject: Re: Steven Hawking's Movie!!! etco  Yey!
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:20:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.021233.11783@midway.uchicago.edu> ttak@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I just read that there is a film on Steve Hawking, the
>Lou G. British physicist? 

Interesting film by Errol Morris, the director of Thin Blue Line,
Vernon Fl, etc.  Soundtrack by Phillip Glass (who also did TBL).

Morris came to speak at Williams College a few months ago, so we got a
sneak preview of the film.  It's more about Hawking and other
physisicts and their drives than it is about hard science.  It is
_not_, however, mindless Hawking worship.  In fact, Morris said that
Hawking took issue with some of the movie.  Hawking was flown to the
U.S. to consult during the editing.  This was Morris' first
comissioned movie.  The original concept, I believe, was by Spielberg,
who signed on Morris.  The movie itself has a warped humor typical of
Morris, as well as the pathos inherent in Hawkings life.  Some cool
cinematograohy too.  "Which came first the chicken or the egg?" is the
first line of the movie, and the effect Morris uses to punctuate this
shouldn't be spoiled by premature revelation.  Definitely worth seeing
if it gets to you.  There are probably only a few prints, so I
wouldn't be surprised if it slowly makes it's way across the nations
art houses.

Andrew


>	 It'snot yet in Chicago, but
>I heard that it is in LA and NY.  Anyone seen it yet?
>Any good?  I look forward in seeing it.
>
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Thomas C. Fischer)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:06:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.162839.10010@waikato.ac.nz>, hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
|> In article <9208101038.AA28634@cs.utexas.edu>, EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk) writes:
|> > Someone asked about Jodie Foster in the nude......
|> > 
|> > There's a film called "The Little Girl Who Lives Down The Lane" in which
|> > you see her undress and walk nude and get into a bed.  Unfortunately, this
|> > is all filmed from the side and rear but you do still get to see her
|> > boobs.  Some versions (especially on TV) seem to have this bit taken out,
|> > presumably since Ms Foster was only about 15 at the time.
|> > 
|> > Anyone any better scene ?
|> > 
|> > Steve P
|> 
|> This is a wholly politically incorrect thread, but I guess I did read the
|> last posting so I'm guilty already.  Two films come to mind: "The Accused",
|> during which all voyeurs should reflect on their own motivations, and the
|> strange little Dennis Hopper offering known in New Zealand as "Catchfire".
|> In the states Hopper's original cut has been released under a different 
|> name and apparently it is a much better film for it (the pseudonymous Alan
|> Smithee is credited with directing "Catchfire").  While Jodie is as good
|> as ever in the role you can't help wondering why the hell she took the 
|> part which is demeaning to say the least.
|> 
|> Richard.
|> 

In the states, "Catchfire" was released on videocassette as "Backtrack".
Not a bad film-  I don't think I'd watch it again, but it wasn't awful.
(oh yeah, except I'd maybe fast-forward it to where Jodie Foster is in
the shower- slobber, drool.)

Really, guy, get real.  Control your hormones, try to act like you don't
think of women as meat...

tom
From: eyeater@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Speaking of Verhoeven...
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:32:12 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA


In article <9918oB1w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:

		(stuff deleted)
> 
>      Don't know about the Beta film, but I do know that James Cameron (Director
> of T2) is supposed to be tackling Spiderman and that the actor who played Hicks
> in "Aliens" and the good guy in the Terminator will be Spidey with (from what I
> hear) Arnold Schwarzenneger as Doc Oct and Jack Nicholson as Judge Dredd..
> That's all I've heard.
> --
> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
> The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK -- +1 405 325 9607
                        
	The actor's name is Michael Biehn, and he was also the bad guy in 
  "The Abyss" (the crazy Navy SEAL).

  [Eric Yeater, for whom the Public Broadcasting Service is not responsible]
From: chrisl@sybase.com (Xian the Drive)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Cap America
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:41:11 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <yT1aPB2w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>
>     Apparently the movie was made a while back but was so wretched that it was
>never released, not even to home video.  (unlike The Punisher)

Actually I saw it in the video store just the other day...

It was in New Arrivals, so I figure someone just got the
guts to release it!

Unfortunately I did *not* have the guts to rent it...

Xian.
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Re: Bis ans Ende der Welt
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:00:05 GMT

In <1992Aug21.154057.22964@aosg.gsf.dec.com> montyb@alpha.aosg.gsf.dec.com (Monty C. Brandenberg) writes:

>In article <BORIS.92Aug21151725@math9.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de>, boris@math9.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Boris Hemkemeier) writes:
>|> 
>|> W.W. announced a 8+ h directors cut version of "Bis ans Ende der
>|> Welt" (at least for germany).
>|> 

>If true, this would be wonderful!  The U.S. release of the video came 
>out yesterday (I have a copy in hand).  It's something like 158 minutes
>so I imagine it corresponds to the US edit of the movie.

>					Monty

The version I saw in Canada was approx 3 hours....

How can I go about getting this 8+ hours director's cut??????????!!!!!!!!!!

Phil
wu@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: The Wall
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:09:59 GMT
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation


>In article <Bt6yp8.63A@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych) writes...
>>schweitz@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Schweitzer (W86)) writes:
>> 
>>>Can anyone explain the ending of the movie "The Wall" (Bob Geldof) to me?
>>>As far as I understood it, Bob is trying to break through the wall that is
>>>surrounding him. At the end of the trial, the judge orders to 'tear down the
>>>wall'. Does this mean Bob's objective is archieved? I hardly think so, 
>>>"The Wall" isn't a movie to have a happy ending...
>
{ etc }

> I've personally figured out most of it, but the part that I have absolutely
>no idea about is the part where he becomes a fascist leader.  Anybody have
>a clue on that one?
>
>
>Shawn

Well, here's my 2 cents worth. Pink (Bob) has been keeping up an image for his
adoring public for many years, hiding the reality of his emotionally disturbed
and drug dependant character from them. He finally cracks under the pressure of
keeping up this lie, and lets his true feelings of frustration towards the
world out, by becoming the cruel fascist leader and terrorizing his fans at the
show. It seems from the lyrics that the fascist is meant to be his alter-ego -
"Pink isn't well, he stayed back in the hotel,
 And they sent us along, as a surrogate band,
 We're gonna find out where you fans really stand."
	In doing this though, (i.e. letting his inner feelings out, and then
running scared from the consequences, as in the song "Run like hell") he 
provides the judge in the trial scene with his punishment:
"Since, my friend, you have revealed your deepest fear,
 I sentence you to be exposed before your peers,
 Tear down the wall!"
	
Then again, I could be completely wrong .....

David Mudge

mudge@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Definition of Cult Movies
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:19:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <iroderic.714422140@cunews> iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
>In <5020@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>
>>In article <iroderic.713824504@cunews> iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
>>>In <1992Aug14.042229.21563@kum.kaist.ac.kr> wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:
>>>
>>>Cult movies tend to pull together certain familiar motifs or what Eco
>>>calls "inter-textual frames" which link the total narrative to other
>>>narratives.  Hence the familiar "I'll be back" of Schwarzenegger
>>Another example of pulling together motifs in cult movies is "Night of the
>>Living Dead". The main motif is the racial issue (especially shown in the sour
>>relationship between Ben and Harry) which comes up in movies like "Ricochet"
>>(only here it is more pronounced as well as having more of a revenge thing
>>added in).
>Fancy finding you over here on alt.cult-movies.

Yes, I like to see what's up on other newsgroups now and then. On this one
though, I usually read but don't respond often:)

>Yes I think that can be used as an example but I would want to make a
>distinction between theme and motif.  Racism and studies of racial
>tension is certainly a familiar theme in film.  Such studies are often

>been too long since I last watched _Night_ so I cant remember the name
>of the black character but I would argue that racism contributes to
>his being mistaken for a zombie just as, dare I say, Rodney King was
>'mistaken' for a PCP user.
>Ian.

Good point! The black character is Ben and the asshole guy who doesn't help
anyone and does nothing but cause problems (who also, ironically, is right
about the cellar being the safest place) is Harry. Though it is never actually
said by any characters in the film itself, Harry is clearly against Ben's
'being in charge' at least partly because Ben is black. I would totally agree
that racism contributed to Ben's being mistaken for a zombie. It is an
interesting thought that had never occurred to me before you said it. True
about Rodney King too. Same shit different decade it seems.
					Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

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laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
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Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: la Nudita` del Novecento
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:32:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.092815.6568@wam.umd.edu> dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>
>I've heard that the 6-hour version of "1900" (not the video release but
>the theatrical release) may have a nude scene involving one or two minors
>but I've never seen the film so I'm not sure.

Yes, two prepubescent boys -- I forget how the plot got them undressed --
sit around comparing their hardware (one is circumcised, one not).  The
scene is brief and not really what you'd call explicit.
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:24:17 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom


In article 13454@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, gorgeous@momth2.maths.monash.edu.au ( C Dyt) writes:
=
=Previously I had questioned whether it was a Mugwump that Yves had turnt into
=in the cage. I now agree that it was. This fact is reinforced by Bill blaming
=the Mugwump in his apartment for sending him to Yves'. However this does not
=eliminate my previous idea (stubborn little turd arn't I ) about mugwumps
=representing drugs. (see numurous previous postings). I now put forward that 
=what happend to Kiki was in fact representing a drug overdose.
=

Naaah, I still cant see it, the mugwump was just doing what all good
little mugwumps do throughout the book, ie, sodomising little boys
("Young boys need it special", Burroughs) whilst they are being hung.
I always figured them for agents and/or symbols for The Man (Bills word
for his dealers).  You could read into this what Bill thinks of his dealers B^}

Carl
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:13:04 GMT

In article <schuck.714288777@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>I don't think underage nudity is illegal. 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

does anybody out there remember the lawsuits in cincinnati
when the mapplethorpe exhibit was shown there.  one of the
big "offenders" was a picture showing a young girls genitalia.
the argument was that, i think, they wre corrupting a minor.

andy

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