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From: iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How Do you figure (Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:14:42 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov6.170655.9790@clpd.kodak.com> hammond@stimpy.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516)) writes:

>I wish some Bills fans would not woof so loudly all the time.  Most of us
>know that the Bills are a competent team, but by no means are a sure bet
>to win the division. 

>  Give the Dolphins some credit.  They have built a darned good team.  They
>have done it through the draft, trades (Smith for Humphrey), and free 
>agency.  The Bills, on the other hand, have chosen to basically stand pat.
>The only help that they have acquired in the past few years has been through

Uh, OK.  The Bills didn't build from the draft and trades.  Oh yeah, that's
right, they all just showed up one day and made a back to back 2-14 team
into a back to back super bowl team.

Bill Polian masterfully took a pathetic team and loaded it with talent.
FYI, Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, Jim Kelly, Conlan, Talley,
Bailey, Bentley, Odomes, Hull, Wolford, Ritcher, Fina, Jones, Kelso, Hansen,
Seals, ....were all DRAFTED!
Kenneth Davis was plan B wizardry. The Bills got pro-bowler Tasker from 
Houston.  They traded for Leonard Smith.

Yup, the Bills have stood pat.  Whatever?!?
BTW, how do you build a team without drafting/trading/free-agents????
>the draft (Henry Jones, Phil Hansen) and their #1 pick from only a few 
>years ago was a huge mistake (J.D. Williams).  It only stands to reason, 
>then, that the Dolphins will catch the Bills.

Yeah, I see the logical connection there all right.
>  Anyway, GO BILLS, but let's be a bit more realistic (and less obnoxious)
>regarding our posts. 

At least you got the GO BILLS part right.

Imran Qureshi 


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From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:27:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov7.202330.23976@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <Ueyp_Ei00WDK45moMA@andrew.cmu.edu>, Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Is the Steelers home field indoors or outdoors?  Does anybody have a list of
>who plays indoors and who plays outdoors?  This data should become more of a
>factor as the weather gets colder.
>

The steelers play outdoor at home

Indoor:

New Orlean Saints
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
Seattle Seahawks (I am not sure  about this)
Houston Oilers
Atlanta Falcons
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Teams with anemic offence and Super Defence
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:17:15 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <dchou.720909873@husc8> dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou) writes:
>sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>>The Steelers lost to the Packers, a weak NFC team 
>>and the 6-2 record is against some poor and average opposition.

>Overall, their opposition has been no less "weak" 
>than Minnesota's.

I always like this "poor competition" arguement, since a lot of times it is
a self-fulfilling prophesy.  A team loses, has a worse record, and therefore
the team that beat them isn't as good because they beat a team with a worse
record (because they beat them).  Kinda circular, don't you think?

Daniel Welch
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Randall benched for WEEK TEN
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:53:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath

jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> He [Cunningham] has a strong arm and has developed a great touch
>on his passes.  
> [...]
>Granted, Kotite isn't forcing Randall to one-hop the ball to receivers or
>throw wounded-duck passes, so it isn't enttirely Rich's fault.  

Now I am confused.  Which is it?  A great touch, or one-hoppers and
wounded ducks?


--Gidi		(go jeff george)
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From: pruett@b15.ingr.com (Debbie Pruett)
Subject: Re: 90's and Dallas? Maybe?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.134939.3973@admin1.memst.edu>, jasmith@admin1.memst.edu writes:
>              For all Dallas Cowboy fans from Maine to Los Angeles.
>          A hope for the best in 1992.  We have started off 7-1 cruising
>          as the best team in the National Football League.  We have defeated
>          our bitter rivals Philadelphia 20-10 in a great defensive battle.
>          And we are set to take revenge on a Detroit Lions team that 
>          destroyed us last year in regular season and in the play-offs, but
>          this is a different year and the Lions don't look like a contender 
>          for the play-offs this year.  We'll it would be nice to see a big
>          win for the Cowboys who now seem to be coming around this year.
>          I think the Cowboys have the strongest offensive in the NFL.  And
>          beyond that a very young team.  Could this be the year we take
>          our hold on the NFL.  Could this be our year to go 15-1 regular 
>          season and take our first SUPERBOWL of the 90's?  Well I'm not sure 
>          about a 15-1 record I'd be happy with a 14-2 record, but is there
>          any Cowboy fan this year going to happy with any thing less than 
>          a SuperBowl victory.  This team is young enough to just maybe 
>          become the team of the 90's.  To go down in history be hide the 
>          powerfull teams like Green Bay Packers of the 1960s, the Pittsburgh
>          Steelers of the 1970's, and the Fourty Niners of the 1980's.
>          Let's hear for the inaugural season of the team of the 1990's.
>             The DALLAS COWBOYS the team of the 90's.

            Go Cowboys!
           Finally a person with somthing to say!!!!!
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: What ever happened to Mike Zandofsky
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:06:57 GMT

I was just sitting here reading and randomly thought .. 

Does anyone know what ever became of former University of Washington offensive
lineman Mike Zandofsky?  I believe he was drafted in 1989 by San Fransisco.  I
think he made the team his rookie year, but haven't heard anything about him 
since.  He was a big boy, 6-5, 310lb (6-4, 240lb when he was an 8th grader!).

He graduated with my sister (Corvallis (Oregon) High) along with Robb Thomas,
former KC and current Seahawk receiver.  Often wondered what happened to him.

Email to me and thanks,


Kent
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rlehman@watson.ibm.com (Robert C. Lehman)
Subject: Re: Elway given reigns in Broncos victory over the Jets
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 20:10:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Nov9.180434.3959@vexcel.com> tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:
>The Jets did a strange (and costly), substitution of O`brian for Nagle
>with about 2 minutes left in the half.  First pass is picked off by 
>Wyman Henderson, and he takes it in for the score!

It was hardly Ken O'Brien's fault that Freeman McNeil decided to turn
the pass into a jump ball... :-)

However, putting O'Brien in was rather strange -- if Nagle is playing
to learn the position, then leave him in, regardless of how much of
the offense he knows or how well he runs the two minute drill.  Better
to learn now when they are 2-7...

-Rob
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rushers and a little more (top ten single season)
Keywords: 2000 rushing
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:38:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov12.063834.29728
Organization: Stay Awake Software

<1992Nov12.014033.29861@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>                        SINGLE-SEASON RUSHING LEADERS
>
>            Player           Team      year  att.  yards   avg
>      ------------------ ------------ ------ ----- ------ -----
> 1    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1984   379   2105   5.6
> 2    O.J. Simpson       Buffalo       1973   332   2003   6.0
> 3    Earl Campbell      Houston       1980   373   1934   5.2
> 4    Jim Brown          Cleveland     1963   291   1883   6.5
> 5    Walter Payton      Chicago       1977   339   1852   5.5
> 6    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1986   404   1821   4.5
> 7    O.J. Simpson       Buffalo       1975   329   1817   5.5
> 8    Eric Dickerson     LA Rams       1983   390   1808   4.6
> 9    Marcus Allen       LA Raiders    1985   390   1759   4.5
>10    Gerald Riggs       Atlanta       1985   397   1719   4.3

Stats like this make me wonder how anyone could seriously question Jim
Brown as being the best back to ever play the game.  The man gained his
1883 in a 12 game season.  No one else on this list has as good a per game
average as Brown did, nor the per carry average he maintained.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
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From: daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Subject: Brennan, Munoz
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:37:31 GMT
Distribution: usa

The San Diego Chargers picked up wide receiver Brian Brennan, who was
released by the Bengals.  They made room by putting someone on IR...
don't remember who.

Another Bengal note:  Anthony Munoz is ready to come off of IR and
start practicing, but the coaching staff is reluctant to release
anyone right now.  The offensive line is playing well, so cutting one
of their young lineman may not fit with their long-range plans.  They're
apparently going to postpone the decision as long as possible to see
if someone gets injured and has to go on IR before they cut someone
unnecessarily.


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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Status of Andre Reed?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:48:59 GMT

Anyone out there know what's wrong with Andre Reed?  In his last two games he
has caught 4 passes for 24 yards (2-22, and 2-2).  He's usually a huge part of
the Bills offense.  Is he hurt?

Thanks,
Jason Gische
From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: DamN AstrOturF!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:26:53 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support

From article <1dmhsnINNcqg@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, by warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Montgomery):
> 
>>	When are they going to spend the bucks and grow grass
>>	indoors? Hell they can grow marijuana indoors, why
>>	not grass?

I doubt the fans would appreciate the subtly added by low hanging
lamps it would require.

> 
> Problem is "the bucks" are a big reason an owner moves his team to a dome in
> the 1st place.  No groundskeeping hassle (and associated cost).  ...

Actually, I remember seeing several reports that said artificial turf
is just a expensive a grass.  This is because while grass has a much
higher maintenance cost, the fuzzy cement must still be maintained and
must be replaced every so often.  So when you add it up, they come
out to be comparable.  There really is no cost benefit to using the
fake stuff instead of grass (if it is not a domed stadium).  This is
probably the major reason that owners have been going back to grass
in recent years.  (Have to replace the carpet because it wore out,
either option costs the same, no big upfront investment, keeps the
fans and players happier.)

Domes are a problem though.  Remember that in the first dome (the
Astrodome) they *did* try to use grass.  After ~3 years of dirt
they developed astroturf.  Also, domes are desirable because, in
addition to bringing more players out for gameday (i.e. never have
to worry about weather), the bring in a *lot* of extra revenue
because of non-sport events that are then possible.

So, domes are a part of life now, so I guess we just have to live
with them.  But there really is no excuse for fuzzy carpet outdoors.

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
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From: gogo@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (donald.gogolin)
Subject: Re: Worst/Best Trades
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: bl
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:19:49 GMT

In article <96985@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> New thread. Cool!
> 
> 
> BEST:
> 
> 
> WORST:
> 
Browns fans are not likely to forget the Paul Warfield trade ... nor the 
equally brilliant Ernest Byner give-away!
From: warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM (Dennis Montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best/Worst in Franchise History
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:49:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: warlock@halloween.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: halloween.ebay.sun.com

Broncos:
  Best: Trading the Colts for John Elway (Obviously!)
	Taking a 10th round draft gamble on Karl Mecklenberg
	Taking Steve Atwater in the draft
	Gaston Green and Michael Young from the Rams

  Worst: Signing washed up x-Cowboy Butch Johnson 
	 Signing washed up x-Cowboy Tony Dorsett 
	 Losing Mike Shanahan to be the Raiders head coach (1988?)
	 Firing Mike Shanahan after last season
	 Bobby Humphrey for Sammie Smith	 

Vikings:
  Worst: Passing over Marcus Allen to take Darrin Nelson instead in the 82? draft
	 The Herschel Walker disaster

49ers:
  Worst: Not protecting Ronnie Lott 

Raiders:
  Best: Hiring Art Shell as head coach
  Worst: Al "Pigheaded" Davis and his QB's from hell (Marc Wilson, Jay Schroeder,
		Todd Marinovich, Steve Beurline(sp?))

Go Broncos!
Dennis
From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Re: GOD WILL GO 19-0 AND WIN THE SUPER BOWL!!!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:44:03 GMT


>	Which begs the following question -- who is God?  There is no God, 
>therefore NObody knows.  

>>* Rob *

>Jon
>(an agnostic)  (:   

Good point!!! 

Richard   :
-- 
AussieVamp 
AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: San Diego vs. Cleveland
From: rx84335@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:38 EST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lilly Research Laboratories
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 17

In article <92317.095943TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes...
>Does anyone know the current status of the two San Diego running backs?
>I heard Eric Bieniemy (ankle) and Marion Butts (knee) are probable and also
>Clevelands, Michael D. Perry, probable.  San Diego looks like a good choice,
>because I don't think Cleveland could do much offensively against the SD
>defense, but you never know about those California teams holding up in
>4th quarter when the temp drops.  I think it will be close, it started at
>SD+2 and is now SD+1.5 and may be down to 1 when game time starts, not that
>SD needs it.  Weather condition and if it's an early or late game would also
>be much help.

 From what I've heard, Butts will play until the knee problem does become
 a problem.  Also, it is an early game, the weather will be in the mid-30's
 with lake effect snows possible, but not probable.

  TAKE THE BROWNIES!
From: mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: *** VOTE ***  (BUSTS LIST)
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:36:07 GMT
Distribution: usa

> WHAT FOR:  The top BUSTS and top STEALS in the NFL draft in recent years.
> 
> RULES:  1)  Only 3 votes for BUSTS and 3 votes for STEALS maximum.
> 
>         2)  Limit draft picks to 1980-->1992 only.  SORRY OLD-TIMERS!
> 
>         3)  E-mail only....no posts!
> 
>         4)  Reply by Friday, November 20th.  
> 
> Results will be tabulated and posted Saturday, November 21st.  
> See you at the polls!
> 
> Nathan
> A
> nahst6+@pitt.edu


To help with the BUST category, Joel Buschbaum of Pro Football Weekly 
had this list in the Oct 4th issue. 

1979 - Tom Cousineau - Was #1 pick in entire draft.
       Jack Thompson, QB from Washington State
1980 - NY Jets take Johnny "Lam" Jones, WR from Texas
1981 - Green Bay took Rich Campbell, QB, from California
1982 - New England took Ken Sims, DL, from Texas
       Colts take Art Schlichter, QB, from Ohio State
1983 - Kansas City took Todd Blackledge, QB, from Penn State
     - Bills took Tony Hunter, TE, from Notre Dame
1984 - Cincinnati takes Rickey Hundley, LB, from Arizona
1986 - Cardinals took Anthony Bell, OLB, from Michigan State (5th overall pick)
     - Cheifs took Brian Jozwaik, OT, from West Virginia (7th overall pick)
1987 - Vinnie Testaverde (#1 pick overall)
     - Alonzo Highsmith (3rd overall)
     - Brent Fullwood, RB, (4th overall)
     - Mike Junkin, LB, (5th Overall)
     - Kelly Stouffer, QB, (6th overall)
     - Reggie Rogers, DL, (7th overall)
     - Shawn Knight, DL, (11th overall)
     - Brian Bosworth, LB, (#1 in supplemental draft)
1988 - Audray Bruce, LB, (#1 overall)
1989 - TOny Mandarich
     - Tim Worley, RB
1990 - Andre Ware, QB

There you have it. Some food for thought.


Don Mocnik
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: LT career ending injury
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:32:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


No, us GIANTS fans aren't being completely stoic about what probably amounts
to a career ending injury for Lawrence Taylor, inarguably the BEST defensive
player to play the game.  What really sucks is that LT knew that this was his
last season and tried to leave on a good note (he had one forced fumble and a
sack in the last two games).  He was the sole and inspiration of that defense:
he had the ability to bring out the best in people like Leonard Marshall and
Carl Banks (who are fine LBs in their own right but really wouldn't have been
anything special without the threat of LT looming about).

Joe Theismann (whose career LT prematurely ended when during a pass rush, Joe
was driven into the ground, breaking his leg in the process) said that during
the games the Skins would play against the GIANTS, the Washington offensive
line (one of the best O lines in existence) would spent all their time in the
huddle worrying about where LT would line up.  As good as players like Derick
Thomas (sp?) and Pat Swilling are, it is because of LT that they can play the
way they do.  The man DEFINED what a linebacker is capable of doing. Period!

Among his many accomplishment include winning League MVP in 1986 (only the 2nd
defensive player behind Alan Page to do so), being voted to the Pro Bowl for a
record 10 times, one of 3 or 4 players to have more than 20 quarterback sacks 
in a year and comandeering a fierce defense which lead his team to 2 Super Bowl
titles in his 12 year career. 

He really seemed to loose interest in the game after his 2 best friends Bill
Parcells and Phil Simms were taken out of the GIANTS spotlight: Bill having
resigned after winning SB 25 and Phil being benched for Hoss most of last 
year.  After announcing his retirement after this year, he seemed to really
come on again during the last few games and his influence on the GIANTS 
defense is reflected by how well the rest of the D perfomed over the same
period (first 4 games defense gave up 28 ppg, last 3 games 24 point total).

Lawrence Taylor: the finest linebacker, defensive player and arguably finest
football player to play the sport: thiss GIANTS fans thanks him for his years
of fine service and salutes his many accomplishments.

satish nair
go giants
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Subject: Cowboys Trades (was Best/Worst Trades)
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.171635.15116@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:

>>> 		[.....]
>>>
>>>Most of the Cowboy's top picks during Johnson's tenure have been good to
>>>excellent, but no severe busts.  The Cowboys also picked up some draft
>>>picks by trading Steve Walsh to the Saints, and turned the picks into more
>>>good draft choices.

I am happy that JJ has helped speed up the return of the Dallas Cowboys,
but I feel he is getting too much credit as an evaluator of talent.
Steve Walsh is a great example.  Sure, the Cowboys got some good draft
picks for Walsh, but they gave up the #1 pick in the draft that year to
get Walsh in the first place (via their first-round supplemental draft).
The Falcons would have had the second pick, but thanks to the Walsh
draft, they were in the #1 slot.  That pick was traded to the Colts
for a) Andre Rison [all pro], b) Chris Hinton [all pro], and c) at least
one 1st round draft pick.  I would suggest that the return on this
trade was better than whatever JJ was able to salvage from the Saints.

>>>Jimmy is a good coach, but he is an excellent evaluator of personnel.

Jimmy is a very good coach, an OK evaluator of personnel, and great at taking
advantage of stupid, trade-happy GMs (read Vikings and Saints).  Had he
NOT drafted Walsh (Jimmys mistake), it is scary what he could have gotten
from Indy for Jeff George.  I would bet it would have been more than
Atlanta got, because this is what Jimmy is REALLY good at.  

And the bottom line is this, "Would you want Jimmy Johnson making trades
for your team?"  The answer is yes.  How well he drafts with all those
picks is another issue.
-- 
-- Thad Crews                             (email thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu)
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Congratulations to President-Elect Bill Clinton!!!  I did not vote for him,
but I will support him as the leader of the greatest country in the world.
From: v075p7mg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jonathan G Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: da' bills
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:40:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Dear Cowboy Fans:

As a bored Buffalo Bills fan for 10 years, I was just wondering if
I can join the Dallas Bandwagon.  Would you guys  mind if I join?

					seriously yours
					Jon (helen) Keller 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49ers whip Dallas in NFC Championship.
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:37:26 GMT

In article <1dv6phINNr8@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>The 49ers will ship Dallas in the NFC Championship game. because dallas is a 
>young team that will fold under pressure. Any Comments?

You've been watching too much college football. It's *COLLEGE* football that
sets up the post-season matchups months in advance; in *PRO* football you
actually have to finish out the season, and then go through something
called "playoffs" to reach the NFC Championship game. :-)

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