HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lilley@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Shannon Lilley)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:05:25 GMT

In article <^t#@byu.edu> zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman) writes:
>
>There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.
>
>Whatever happened to the old "Stay in School" phrase?  Wealth alone does
>not educate.
>
>There, just my 25 cents worth.
>
>Steve
Because the NFL has already been told by their lawyers that they would be sued
by college players who wanted to come out early and they (NFL) would lose.
This was established several years ago.

Shannon


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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:45:33 GMT

What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.

Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!

cmuck ('89 forever!, maybe one day I will graduate....)   
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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:43:17 GMT

James Fehrenbacher has apparently decided to take our little feud public.
I believe it is "a private little war" -- and completely irrelevant to
the group -- so this will be my only posted comment on the matter.

James writes:
> Beware! Big Brother Chris is watching you.

James is mad because I forwarded his "Cooper is a pussy" comments on to
John Cooper.  James posted the message -- meaning that he intentionally
distributed it to tens of thousands of sites all over the continent and
dozens of copies are probably sitting on Ohio State computers at this
very moment.  James should not be surprised, let alone angry, that a
copy of this posting could end up in the hands of *any* given person
(including the target of his remarks).

The net is a big place and all of these public figures have friends and
relatives.  It is rather stupid to give worldwide distribution to a
statement that you don't want a given person to "hear."  If James can't
handle the fact that his comments might end up in John Cooper's hands,
then he shouldn't have posted them.  This is simple common sense -- as
well as very basic "NETiquette."

I passed this advice on to Mr. Fehrenbacher, and his response was to cry
"censorship."  I heartily disagree; I have taken no steps to limit James'
net privileges.  And even despite James' violations of NETiquette (such
as posting Email without the author's permission) I won't take such steps
in the future.  I firmly believe that jerks will weed themselves out of
the net population without my help -- I've seen a lot of them come and
go in my years here.  The issue is not "censorship," but rather James'
unwillingness to accept the responsibility that comes with the privilege
of writing for worldwide consumption.
--
Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com
From: valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: McGinest Back In '93
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:27:14 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

USC defensive standout Willie McGinest announced today at a press conference
that he would skip this years NFL draft and play his senior year for the
Trojans. He had stated that he felt the need to have another good season
under his belt at the college level before turning pro.

Valdis


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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:28:48 GMT

In article <8JAN199309533217@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:

> I can see that the off-season is already in full swing.

I *suppose* we can discuss the senior bowls coming up...

James
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:55:23 GMT

In article <sterbenc-080193100238@150.130.23.185>, sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com
(Joe Sterbenc) wrote:

> Because it would be immoral, illegal, and unfair. Top-level college
> athletes,
> especially in football and basketball, are exploited; this I grant you. But
> the college athletic programs are easily the worst offenders, making
> millions
> off their indentured servants - the vast majority of which (even when they

Millions that (in my understanding) fund the atheletic programs that are
not self-supporting...like a lot of the women's sports (how many are
self-sufficient??). Without that money, the universities may face a
dismal problem: either no school supported atheletics at all, or the
wrath of the federal government and feminists (or whatever particular
agrieved persons group you like to name).

But universities are used to exploiting people. They've been doing it
to graduate students for a long time, now.

James
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 05:15:16 GMT

In article <1id3hgINNrk0@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) wrote:

> My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?

Additional question: the Sugar Bowl's scoreboards before the game
had welcome messages for the teams, and what caught my attention
was that they welcomed "Dennis Erikson and the Miami Golden 
Hurricanes".

Did they screw up, and think they'd invited Tulsa???

James
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:10:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.185243.8851@nntpserver.chevron.com>,
hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) wrote:
> 
> (I R A Aggie) writes:
> >
> >> Say, if you all have good recipes for gator meat, send some of them
> >> down to Tallahassee.  Seems we have quite a bit of Gator meat on hand
> >> too!  :-)
> >
> >It's my understanding that the LSEAUX feauxlks serve a blackened Gator.
> >And you can get Gator-on-a-stick in Nawlins.
> 
> Gator-on-a-stick.  True.  But what in Sam Hill is L.S.O.?

Geez, I'm an Agie. Yeaux shold kneaux I cain't speel werth shiite. Try
LSWho.

James - LSO == Large Stationary Object ?
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: bowls, etc
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:30:47 GMT

al sorhaindo writes:

>I don't understand ABC's claim that the number #2 team has won the last
>four #1 versus #2 bowl matchups. Didn't Notre Dame beat West Virginia in
>the 1989 Fiesta Bowl?

Notre Dame was ranked #1 and West Virginia #3 in that game.  I think Miami 
(Fl.) was ranked #2.  Notre Dame also posted a victories over USC and Michigan.
All four of these opponents ended the season in the AP top ten.

     - Pat
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:40:58 GMT

|> 	   >My dear Mr. Pang,  The conference with 5 of 6 wins was playing
|> 	   >the best of the rest.  The best go to bowls.  The SEC sent
|> 	   >SIX count them 6 teams and all but one won !!  That says only
|> 	   >one thing,  SEC has the best conference this year !!! Period.
|> 	   >END OF DISCUSSION !!!
|> 
|> 2.  "END OF DISCUSSION !!!", NOT!  If you think your sayso will end
|>     the discussion in this group, try again.  There's no more
|>     football, so discussion of this and other meaningless topics are
|>     the only fun we have left!
|> 
	There was obviously some discussion of which I was not copied.
	My discussion was with Mr. Pang about the SEC and that was all.
	And in the final analysis of it all, it IS over.  Discuss all
	you want but the SEC _IS_ the best.  Bama is the champs and
	the 'canes are the chumps and thats that. "take it to the bank".
	;-) <-- smiley !!

	Of course it is all in fun, but Bama fans took enough abuse and
	now we can dish it out and nobody can take that away, ever !!!

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:14:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.213407.3844@b11.b11.ingr.com>
guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
> ... I pulled for MSU against North Carolina myself.  A win would have
> given the strongest conference in the nation a clean sweep of the
> bowls.

As did I, for the same reasons.

> Another one of my favorite teams is Southern Miss.  They play a IA
> schedule, most of their games on the road, and can *always* be counted
> on to take you to task.  I thought they'd make a good addition to the
> SEC. Enough rambling.

I also like Southern Miss, despite the fact that they tend to upset
teams at the least convenient time (as if any upset is ever convenient,
but you know what I mean).  I've always wondered why Bama always plays
them at home.  Do they not have a reasonable size stadium in Hatiesburg?
If not, then why not play in Jackson every other year like we used to
do with MSU?

I don't know of any good barbeque in Hatiesburg.  Which isn't to say
there isn't any good barbeque there, but that I simply havn't found it
having had few opportunities to search for it.  After all, if I were
in Hatiesburg and wanted barbeque, that would be sufficient motivation
to push on to Tuscaloosa for some Dreamland Ribs.

There is a great place for catfish in Meridian, which is on the route to
Hatiesburg (I-59) for most Bama fans.  Of course they have plenty of
fresh brewed iced tea, sweetened or unsweetened, to wash it down.  I
suppose you could barbeque catfish, but I have no idea what sauce to
use.  It isn't in the same orbit as either chicken or pork, but it is
roughly ... there I go again, back in a.f.d-q mode, ... mea culpa

-- 
*realName: Phil Harbison
*mailName: harbison%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
*phoneList: 314-731-7475 (w) 314-272-9318 (h)
Rama-jama-yellowhamma', give `em hell, Alabama!
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From: dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer)
Subject: Re: Someone please explain this to me...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:22:14 GMT

In article <1iadq0INN2mg@shelley.u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.
edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>
>Robert Smith, who once quit the Ohio State football team because it
>interfered with his studies, has declared himself eligible for the NFL
>draft, foregoing his junior and senior years.
>
>GT

This one's simple:

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 21:12:45 GMT

In article <n072=4-@rpi.edu> kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri) writes:
> I would like to know how Bama has done in all the computer polls out there.
> Sagarin, NY Times and Dendy have the Tide # 1.
>
>I am still recovering from the most awesome football weekend ever (at least for
>me :-)). Alabama destroyed you know who and the Bills pulled out the greatest
>comeback ever! WOW!
>
>Ramana
>Roll Tide!
>
>FSU 1993 pre-season #1 (Anyone but 'Bama!)
> 


Surely you jest! 'Bama will be #1 next season and that's all there is to it!
FSU? Nah, no way...ROLL TIDE!!!

Kevin (hey, it can't hurt)

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From: tech@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:23:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.224950.2833@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:

>After watching the Canes players talk trash, brag, taunt, walk out of
>social gatherings, and commit other childish unsportsmanlike conduct
>over the last few years, I say this thumping is sweet as honey. Maybe
>now they will climb under a rock with their traps shut for awhile.
>
>It is nice to have a classy national champion again.
>

Well the Canes are my second favorite team and I couldn't care less if
they talk trash, brag, taunt, walk out of social gatherings, and
commit crimes. They can do whatever the hell they want and if you
don't like it, tough shit. However, they had better be ready to eat
huge piles of shit when they lose. I think they will remember this
loss for a long time but I don't think they will crawl under anything
and I don't think they will keep their traps shut for long. They are
year in and year out a great team. 100 years of football doesn't mean
diddly if you've only been a fan for the past ten or so. In the past
decade the Canes and my Noles have been far better than any other team
including the Tide. 

I have to admit that I wasn't too upset watching the Tide absolutely
destroy, maul, talk trash, brag, taunt, and walk away with the NC this
year. They were awesome. A true number 1 team. Gene Stallings deserves
a big round of applause and I hope he recovers from his recent surgery
quickly before the glow wears off so he can enjoy his accomplishment.

Like I said before the games; I hope Erickson considers a job in the
pros. I don't like what he has done with the Canes. 

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Pac Ten underclassmen to NFL
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:15:52 GMT

I just heard that Drew Bledsoe (Wash St QB) decided to forego his last
year of NCAA eligibility and go pro.  I seem to remember hearing that
about quite a few other high-profile Pac Ten underclassmen, including
Sean Dawkins of Cal and Curtis Conway of USC.  Anyone else?  Who's
left?

.....Elson.....
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jan4.181959.9203
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

Minutes ago, Washington State junior QB Drew Bledsoe announced that he
will indeed make himself eligible for the upcoming NFL draft.  With a
somewhat shaky voice, he first enumerated the reasons for staying and
for leaving:

For staying                          For leaving
----------------------------------------------------------------
College life                         Challenge of next level
Chance for records/awards            Risk of college injury
Give something back to school        Will certainly be drafted very highly
$ should be same either year         Good 2nd string QB in Pattinson (won't be
  (esp. with new NFL ruling)           leaving team w/nothing, and Pattinson
                                       will get his chance now)

Then he did the usual thank you's before turning things over to coach Price.
Drew was very classy, as always, this morning, and as Price said, we all
wish him the best.

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:13:12 GMT

aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.175103.8634@b11.b11.ingr.com>, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
>(Guy D. McConnell) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <aggie-040193173118@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:

>>     "Whining" he says?!

>It sure struck me that way.

>> |> > Copeland and Curry all night and the refs never saw it.  Still, even with the
>> |> > extra players in stripes, the canes were little lost children.
>> |> > 
>> |> >     Glad to have a chance to clear up that penalty for the record.
>> |> 
>> |> And I thought Miami fans could be poor winners...
>> 
>>     You thought?!  Well, I took the opportunity to inject a little good-natured
>> humor into a situation that could have been costly to Alabama.  Anyone who saw
>> a 15 yard penalty in Lassic's actions at the goal line needs their head examined.

>Where are the smiley's? Did I accidentally delete 'em? Sounded pretty
>serious to me, but you're an ok Guy :), so I'll take your word for it.

>Lassic got screwed, indeed. A warning would have been sufficient, IMHO,
>but as has been pointed out, technically, it was a violation. Of course,
>so was Lou Holtz's head lock. In the stands, we thought Lassic had said
>something, either to the official, or to one of the Blowhards. I was at
>*least* 75 yards away, and I could have called the facemasking he got. I
>probably would have said something where I the victim of such a vicious
>foul.

>> As for the rest of it, *all* the questionable calls went against Alabama but they
>> did not allow that to stop them.  Take a look at a tape of the game if you don't
>> believe it. 

>Actually, I do. I thought some of the offsides flags *had* to be holding 
>calls. You won inspite of the officiating - SWC? - and should be damn
>proud of that team.

>Do you people *really* think I was rooting for *Miami*?

>James - Miami spelled backwards is "I maim"


Naw - I just figured you for a phony front runner.  :->


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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Colorado Flying Beeves
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:53:17 GMT

In article <aggie-080193123258@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.165309.3895@ncar.ucar.edu>, ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu
>(Ethan Alpert) wrote:
>
>> Damn straight. We've got the schedule (Miami, Stanford, Baylor, and Texas)
>
>Which are home games? Miami and Baylor?

Texas, Baylor, @ Stanford, Miami (in that order).
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Ohio St (national merit scholars) Wussconsin
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:47:10 GMT

>Michigan State University		42,695
>Ohio State University			40,122
>University of Michigan --- Ann Arbor	35,216
>Purdue University			29,674
>University of Wisconsin --- Madison	29,625
>University of Minnesota --- Twin Cities	29,278
>
>- Stephen

	Interesting - last time I looked, enrollment at Minnesota
	was somewhere in the 45,000-55,000 range (Graduate Programs
	in Physics and Astronomy book).  But this might be 
	all branches with grad schools included...the same book lists
	Michigan at 36,228(for sure, including 13,102 grad students).
	I think your figure might be just the undergraduate enrollment
	which should be in the low 30,000's, making the whole list
	uncertain.
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl comments
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:38:38 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:

>In article <1i5hdsINNdie@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>
>ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>>1) To say that Torretta stunk would be an understatement.  He missed
>>   wide open receivers.  He didn't move around well.  He threw
>>   interceptions that were his fault.  Those interceptions were
>>   the main difference in the game.

>The ABC commentators placed most of the blame on the Miami receivers
>being "whipped" (Jackson's term) by the Alabama secondary.  I tend
>to agree.  The play where Teague ran down Lamar "fastest receiver in
>the universe" Thomas would seem to underscore the difficulties the
>Miami receivers experienced throughout the night.  It also helps if
>your offensive line can keep Curry and Copeland from breathing down
>your neck every play.

I agree that the coverage on the Miami receivers was very good.  However, there
were times that receivers were wide open on quick short passes and Torretta
totally missed them.  As I have been saying all along, there are two general
reasons for the convincing Alabama win:  great Alabama execution and poor Miami
play.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:35:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.173554.20420@Princeton.EDU>, Frank Bilotti
<frank@wanda.princeton.edu> wrote:

> Bring on the bashing, but as touchdown Jesus said "let he who is without
> loss cast the first flame"

Hmmmm...and that's Bama. Maybe I was wrong about the Bama posters!
Woof it up, Tide!

James - remember, he asked for it... 
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