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From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:06:43 GMT
	<1992Aug14.072648.27217@corax.udac.uu.se>
	<14AUG199215565758@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> <Bt49tz.CpA@rivm.nl>
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: laeeb@rivm.nl's message of 17 Aug 92 07:22:47 GMT

In article <14AUG199215565758@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>,
spwim@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Wim Degroot) wrote: 

>As far as I know, all countries that I have lived in require citizenship for
>any government job, whether it is a social services, an environmental job or
>anything else, whether that is wrong or right. Discrimination has nothing to 
>do with that. A foreigner can not land a Dutch government job without becoming
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Dutch first. Are Dutch discriminating against everybody not Dutch? I thought 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
In article <Bt49tz.CpA@rivm.nl>, laeeb@rivm.nl (Erminio Ballerini)
replied: 

> Sorry, but I have to correct that. I have the Italian nationality and I work
> for a governmental institute (part of WVC)

Thanks, Erminio, I thought he was wrong the first time I read that.
Although I'm no specialist in Dutch law, I can't really imagine any
such restrictions. There is a law, I think, against discrimination on
the basis of nationality. I seem to remember a campaign a couple of
years ago (might still be going on, as a matter of fact) to persuade
minorities to join the police, and they weren't turning down
foreigners either, as far as I know. Also, people who have lived in
the Netherlands for at least five (?) years are allowed to vote in
municipal elections, regardless of nationality; and they wouldn't be
allowed to work for the government? Somehow, that doesn't make sense.
Is there anybody out there who'd like to have the last word on this?

PS. For those of you who are interested, in Japan foreigners cannot
get jobs with any level of government; also, discrimination is not
illegal (they can keep you out of disco's, refuse to rent you a house
or whatever and just say up front "no, we don't take foreigners").
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: hollanders, alpen, heeeelp
Keywords: een gezonde nachtrust
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:31:10 GMT

dubuf@sicsun.epfl.ch (Hans DU BUF) schrijft:
>
>Helaas nog geen verklaring van Karel Stokkermans gekregen. Dat wordt een
>slapeloos weekend...
>
Aangezien ik dit net gelezen heb zou de verklaring inmiddels ook
Zwitserland gehaald moeten hebben.

Welterusten!
Karel
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From: mm@cloche.chorus.fr (Marc Maathuis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Eieren bakken en smullen maar!
Keywords: Mensen die niet kunnen koken
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:33:31 GMT
Reply-To: mm@chorus.fr
Organization: Chorus systemes, 6 av. Gustave Eiffel, 78182 St. Quentin en Yvelines Cedex, France

In article <bron.15.713099497@let.rug.nl>, bron@let.rug.nl (R.J. Bron) writes:

  | Hoe is het toch mogelijk dat er zoveel mensen zijn die beweren niet te 
  | kunnen koken! 

Inderdaad, 't is zo simpel. Voorbeeldje:

    Recept Voor Perentaart
    ======================
    (1) Neem het recept voor een appeltaart.
    (2) Vervang de appels door peren.
    (3) Klaar en smullen maar ;-)

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From: schipper@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (W Schipper)
Subject: Re: Origin of "Dutch doors"?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:14:27 GMT

In article <jacek.714078711@edstar> jacek@edstar.ucsb.edu (Jacek Smits) writes:
>I was just asked the question why Dutch doors are called
>"Dutch doors".  Does anybody here know why?
>
>Just in case, Dutch doors are the type of doors with an
>upper and a lower part, so that you can open the upper
>part and sort of lazily rest on the lower part and
>look out into the world.
>
> 
The Dutch farms I remember from my childhood in Drenthe all had such
doors. But then, come to think of it, so did barn doors in Ontario. 

Wim/Bill



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From: eric@flab.fujitsu.co.jp (eric)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Opeenvolgende medeklinkers
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:12:37 GMT
	<1992Aug11.145831.25823@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>
	<1992Aug12.121532@sicsun.epfl.ch>
	<1992Aug12.133900.24329@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>
	<1992Aug12.133927.24739@corax.udac.uu.se>
	<1992Aug13.132309@sicsun.epfl.ch> <1992Aug13.1
Organization: Fujitsu Laboratories Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan.
In-reply-to: ignaz@chiron.astro.uu.se's message of 17 Aug 92 14:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.144419.22403@corax.udac.uu.se>,
ignaz@chiron.astro.uu.se (Ignaz Wanders) writes:

> In article <14037@chorus.fr>, mm@cloche.chorus.fr (Marc Maathuis) writes:
>
> ->A propos, in het Nederlands heeft het woord 'angstschreeuw' acht
> ->opeenvolgende medeklinkers. Wie breekt het record?

> Het record had ik al gebroken met 'slechtstschrijvend' maar misschien is
> dat nog niet over de hele wereld doorgekomen. Natuurlijk bestaan ook
> zachtstschreeuwend, zachtstschreidend en waarschijnlijk nog wel enkele
> andere. Negen medeklinkers dus. 

> Overigens krijg ik wel eens van mensen te horen dat ze 'slechtstschrijvend'
> geen goed nederlands woord vinden. Vaak zijn dit mensen die zelf met
> angstschreeuw lopen te leuren en het jammer vinden dat het record verbeterd
> wordt. Maar slechtschrijvend is goed nederlands, evenals slechterschrijvend
> en dus ook slechtstschrijvend. Denk maar aan het door een ieder goedgekeurde
> trio hardlopen, harderlopend, hardstlopend.

OK, laat ik dan eens beginnen met een disclaimer. Ik word (liet ik
toch bijna een t staan :-) niet betaald door de actiegroep "Eeuwig
Angstschreeuw", heb geen affaire met de voorzitster van genoemde
actiegroep en ook anderszins geen belangen in deze zaak. Duidelijk?

Desalniettemin... geloof ik niet dat "slechtstschrijvend" (jezus da's
moeilijk tikken) correct Nederlands is, evenmin als "harderlopend",
"hardstlopend" en wat je verder al niet meer kan verzinnen. Ook
"slechtschrijvend" kan bij mij trouwens niet door de beugel: al deze
woorden moeten volgens mij los geschreven worden, dus "dit is de
slechtst schrijvende pen die ik ooit in mijn vingers heb gehad",
enzovoorts. Het is volgens mij niet zo dat je zomaar willekeurig
adjectiva en verba aan elkaar mag plakken: "hardlopen" is
gesanctioneerd, "zachtlopen", "snellopen" en "rustiglopen" zijn dat
niet en "hardgaan" en "hardschreeuwen" ook niet. Je moet ook rekenen
dat "hardlopen" niet hetzelfde is als "hard lopen", al is in dit
bijzondere geval het verschil nogal subtiel. Of iedereen het hier mee
eens is valt nog te bezien, maar voor mij is een "hardloper" een
atleet en niet iemand die zich haast om de trein te halen. Je hebt dus
volgens mij wel degelijk verschil tussen mensen die "hardlopen" en
mensen die "hard lopen".

En nou jij weer en dan ik, zoals mijn moeder altijd zegt ^_^

Groetjes,
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From: studinf@sci.kun.nl (Jeroen Huinink)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: Origin of "Dutch doors"?
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:53:15 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

In <jacek.714094683@edstar> jacek@edstar.ucsb.edu (Jacek Smits) writes:

>So, the question is still "Why are they called DUTCH doors"?

The most simple explanation is:

Since "dutch" doors are common in Holland. Dutch imigrants have taken them
all over the world. This being new to a lot of other folk out there in the
big wide world, they had to give it a name. And why not name it after the 
people who brought this wonderfull invention to them: the DUTCH......

Jeroen Huinink
From: h75@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Henk Uijterwaal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: How to buy cheap air ticket?
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:02:15 GMT
Reply-To: h75@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Henk Uijterwaal)
Distribution: soc.culture.netherlands world
Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands).

Kozaburo Hachimura writes:
>Hi,

>I am going to the Netherlands from August 28th to attend the conference
>and going to make an optional trip to Wien to see my friends.  

>I would like to know how to get cheap (discount) air ticket at
>Den Hague or Delft or Amsterdam ( most preferrable at Den Hague).
>Information about names and location of travel agent is welcome.

Both the N.B.B.S. and Budget Air have a data base systems with online 
information about almost every ticket sold by almost every airline. IF
there is a cheap rate available, they can find it for you. 

The N.B.B.S. has offices in every major city, you can find their number in
the phone-book (sorry, I don't have a phone book of A'dam/The Hague
near me). Budget Air has less offices but they give information by phone.
Their number is 071-253333 (area code for Leiden)-(extension).

Henk.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: leon@unixg.ubc.ca (Leon ter Beek)
Subject: Re: Origin of "Dutch doors"?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:58:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.145820.17048@fwi.uva.nl> richard@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Carels) writes:
>In article <92231.161135BENNYV@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> BENNYV@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>> also, where does the expression "going dutch" come from?  certainly not from
>> holland!
>> 
>Isn't that a party where the guests have to bring drinks and food themself?
>In the Netherlands  it is called 'an American party' (so there!).
>I don't know where either of the names came from.
>
No, 'going dutch' simply means everybody pays for themselves after
having had a dinner in a restaurant or such. It's also referred to as a
'Dutch treat'. An American party is what you said.

Other expressions compounded of Dutch are: Dutch courage (after
drinking), in Dutch (in disgrace) and Dutch uncle (person who scolds
another). These are usually derogatory expressions, which are a legacy from
the Dutch-Anglo commercial rivalry of the 17th and 18th centuries.

Cheers,
Leon
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From: gls@windmill.att.com (the Hard-Boiled Egg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
Subject: Re: thee wee
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:17:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In <1992Aug13.075110.1@research.ptt.nl>, mschenk@research.ptt.nl writes:
> > 
> > Zeker geen basketbal fan (of anders kijkt ie niet genoeg teevee).
> 
> Teevee? Is dat niet zo een terminal zonder toetsenbord?

That's right.  It's what we call a "dumb terminal."

-:-
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	  You just can't please the world and yourself.
	You gotta start doing what's right for you
	 'Cause life is being happy yourself.

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			  and R. Jackson, "Bless His Soul"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: ignaz@astro.uu.se (de Yeti)
Subject: Re: hollanders in de alpen
Keywords: zwitserland-oostenrijk
Reply-To: ignaz@astro.uu.se
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.133900.24329@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at>, kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
->>De zwitsers zijn ronduit knudde. Ik volg alleen het Zw-Duitse journaal
->>om de couleur locale mee te krijgen. Dat kan ik, in tegenstelling tot
->>Frans, tenminste 'op de automatische piloot' volgen; en ze praten geen
->>Switsertuutsch. Maar verder alleen de grootste flauwekul en de echte
->>kulturele programma's, jawel in Switsertuutsch met veel gejodel en alpen-
->>horn en hoempapa, daar trekken je tenen van krom. Iets voor fijnproevers.
->
->Er zijn me inderdaad wat merkwaardige programma's opgevallen daar. Op het
->moment schijnen ze continu een of ander merkwaardig kaartspel uit te zenden.
-> 
Gruessig! Spieuue di immer no chart (hoe heet dat spelletje ook alweer?)
ufm teevee? Sisch n\"ut z'glaube.
Ja ja, ik heb ook ooit nog eens in het Berner Oberland gewoond en ik kan
me nog goed dat regelmatige 'hoogtepunt' op zaterdagavond voor de geest
halen: kaarten op teevee. Overigens konden wij (begin jaren 80) in 
Interlaken maar 1 teevee zender krijgen (DRS) en dan nog in erg slechte
kwaliteit omdat er een berg in de weg zat. Kabel was er nog niet.

Dr Jeeti

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands,nlnet.misc
From: chris@wg.estec.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Connetction to PTT/memonet
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/ESTEC, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:24:32 GMT

Does anyone know how I'd send mail from an internet address (e.g this one) to
a PTT/memonet address?

Regards,


Chris
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From: cassi@FRD.AC.ZA (Cassi Goodman)
Subject: Accomodation required in Den Hague
Reply-To: cassi@FRD.AC.ZA
Organization: FRD Pretoria
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:03:57 GMT

Hi,

I am posting this for 2 friends of mine who are looking for 
inexpensive accomodation in the Netehrlands during a conference.

Details below.  If anybody can help with information, please post
to this newsgroup of send e-mail to me (cassi@frd.ac.za).

Conference:  IVC-12 / ISSC-8
Dates:       10 - 14 October 1992
Place:       Den Hague, Scheveringen (sp?)

They would prefer not to pay more than (?) DFI 130 per night.

All information welcomed.

Thanks in advance
Cassi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: spwim@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Wim Degroot)
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Aug 1992 08:58 EDT  

In article <1992Aug15.092923.4502@nas.nasa.gov>, browning@willard.nas.nasa.gov writes...
>In article <1992Aug14.151353.25959@wam.umd.edu>, wats@next11csc.wam.umd.edu (Bryan Paul Wats) writes:
>|> 	By demanding to be(come) US citizen, agencies like NASA have some  

> 
>What is truly discriminatory about the U.S. Government is the way it
>grants PR status.  Legally, the U.S. does not have immigration quotas.
>That is, the U.S. cannot favor one country over another in granting PR
>status, by its own laws.  However, it DOES discriminate!  Not by
>officially limiting the number of immigrants from a given country, but

This was not true when I got my PR in 1986. Some countries were (and probably
still are) excluded from which citizens are not allowed to immigrate (There
were at least three countries, from which I only remember the Dominican Republic
that have citizenship, not allowed to be immigrated to the US). There are other
countries, India, China, Sri-Lanka, many African countries, which have a limit 
set each year. It was possible in 1986 to call a number in Washington that gave
you the total number of immigrants from each country that were allowed in. That
also excluded the afore mentioned (of course one of the other countries that is
excluded is Haiti) countries. It is still exceedingly difficult to even get a
visitor visa if you are a citizen of Dominican Republic. However, I have to 
admit that the INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) does not 
discriminate if you have enough money. Even when you are a citizen from Hong 
Kong, if you can show that you have enough money (In this sense the US hopes 
that when you set yourself up in business you provide jobs) you are welcome 
here.
_Wim
> 
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From: adri@dutncp8.tn.tudelft.nl (A.B. van Woerkom)
Subject: herintreedsters (was Re: <None>)
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:43:57 GMT

gerard@uwovax.uwo.ca (Gerard Stafleu) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.162413@cs.utwente.nl>, fijma@cs.utwente.nl (Duco Fijma) writes:
>> In het integratie-project, samen met een gehandicapte, een Turk en een
>> herintredende vrouw?

>Wat is dat, een herintredende vrouw?  Het klinkt als iemand die vanuit 
>Amsterdam geemigreerd is naar, zeg, Canberra, om van de hondepoep weg te 
>komen, maar dan toch weer terugkomt naar Nederland.
Al weer enige tijd uit Nederland weg, Gerard?  
Hier dus voor jou en alle Nederlanders in den vreemde die op de hoogte 
willen blijven van de nieuwste Nederlandse newspeak:
een herintredende vrouw is een vrouw die haar oude beroep weer opneemt
na daar een tijdje uit te zijn geweest vanwege het baren en verzorgen
van kinderen.
In de JNHS zullen ze er ook wel een fraaie term inclusief fraaie afkorting
voor hebben.

Adri.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.netherlands
From: ignaz@astro.uu.se (de Yeti)
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
Reply-To: ignaz@astro.uu.se
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:26:48 GMT

In article <13AUG199213040690@mars.lerc.nasa.gov>, spwim@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Wim Degroot) writes:
->I'd like to start another serious threat in this newsgroup, something that is
->close to me personally, but can happen to anybody. Suppose you get a very good 
->job offer in another country (being a Dutch citizen), and the only way you can 
->accept that job is by becoming citizen of that country (and in doing so lose 
->your Dutch citizenship). I guess that it depends on the foreign country the 
->offer is from (knowing many Dutch citizens are not favorably inclined towards 
->the lifestyle in the US, including yours truly) and the way a person fits into
->that society. I also have gotten the impression that many Dutch citizens are
->not very proud of their origin (at least not as much as for example the US, but
->than, no country is as fanatic in that respect as the US) till they are pushed.
->I'd like to know how many people are willing to give up their nationality for a
->career and associate economic benefits, and what are your thoughts about it.
->
->_Wim
->

I'm rather radical in my mind and would never accept a job under those
conditions. Not that I'm 'proud to be Dutch' (what a terrible expression)
but those kind of conditions you put forward are discriminating and
against the people's rights. It may not make any difference if you
are black, white, Dutch, American, male, female, bisexual, homosexual etc.

Even under ordinary conditions I wouldn't give up Dutch citizenship since
there SHOULD BE no need for it in this world.

the Yeti

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From: marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied)
Subject: Hello Irene
Organization: ASCII Corp. Tokyo, Japan
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:35:17 GMT



	Irene, this is Marcos. I have some problem with mail
	mail system delivery, so as I know that you 
	read soc.culture.netherlands I will bother every one
	in order to contact you.


Thank you for allowing me to be a bit nasty in my last note.  =)
I think I needed to vent frustrations, and you were the poor scapegoat.

	It is sad that you could not solve your frustations by
	yourself (is easy to say, I know).
	Uno siempre puede vencer a otros, pero no siempre
	puede vencerse a si mismo.

Yes, I am Hispanic; Mexican.  Although I was born and raised in
Chicago, I can read, write (but don't know about accent marks) and
speak spanish.  It isn't impressive that i speak spanish since
i'm mexican, but you wouldn't believe how many mexicans don't
speak spanish in the states.  When i was growing up in the early
70's, it wasn't very sheik to be mexican and many denied their
heritage as well as refusing to speak spanish even to their own
parents.  Parents would speak spanish to my friends and they
would answer in english.  Anyway.....  thanks for changing the
topic.

	Mi alegra mucho saber que habla castellano. 
	Es un ponto de orgulho non de vergonha.

	
now, let's do your name.  it doesn't sound too dutch to me.
so what's the deal?
Irene

	It doesn't sound dutch at all. My father is syrian
	and my mother italian. I was born in Brazil.
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