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From: lightnin@emilio.WPI.EDU (Paraaaaaaaaade of Shoooooooooes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: My Evil Leaper Theory
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:43:16 GMT
Organization: DeityCo: Major and Minor Deities Placement Agency
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In-reply-to: sallylb@netcom.com's message of Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:53:43 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:53:43 GMT, sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith) said:

sally> In article <1b9hmdINNgu2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu
sally> (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:

>I don't think that the Evil Leaper (EL) is evil.  I think that she
>is, like Sam, trapped in time and not at all in control of where and
>when she goes.  Now, since we already know that she has an Observer
>(Zoe), perhaps it is this woman who is telling her that she must do
>evil things in order to get home.

sally> Certainly sounds plausible. And perhaps her Observer is another
sally> manifestation of...well, that word we don't mention? Or at
sally> least an agent thereof.

Here's a thought.  Maybe the Evil Leaper isn't evil, maybe the observor 
isn't evil.  Maybe the other leaper just leaped, and their version of the
hybrid computer and their observor (Zoe) came up with this theory that at
some other point in time, there had been someone leaping around messing
with the way the past had gone.  Zoe and their version of Ziggy, came up
with this theory that in order for the other leaper to get home, she had
to make things happen the way they did "originally" and, ultimately, stop
"the Evil Leaper" from messing with the timeline for whatever personal 
reasons he has.  

It'd be an interesting twist.

-lightnin

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From: ramsey@cua.edu (Betsy Ramsey)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Summary: No CFV at this time
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:32:51 GMT

In the August 28th news.announce.newgroups article <BtpH33.2KD@uunet.uu.net>,
several of us issued a Request For Discussion on a proposed new newsgroup
rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7.

The discussion took place in news.groups.  Some people thought the new group
was a good idea.  Others felt a group in the alt hierarchy would be more
appropriate.  Still others felt that we should just concentrate our BLAKES 7
discussions in one of the existing rec hierarchy groups.  Our thanks to those
of you who participated!  If anyone is interested in the full text of the
discussion, send e-mail to ramsey@cua.edu and I will mail you a copy.

We have decided not to issue a Call For Vote on rec.arts.sf.tv.blakes7 right
now.  For the time being, we will attempt to consolidate BLAKES 7 discussion
into newsgroup rec.arts.sf.tv and see how much traffic we get.

ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Amanda Rothman)
epc@cs.nott.ac.uk (Eddie Clarke)
joeisham@sdf.lonestar.org (Joe Isham)
kat@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Kathryn Andersen)
ramsey@cua.edu (Betsy Ramsey)
sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Woops!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:08:41 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  This new Fox show has a problem, is a plot with no where to go. Even with
this in mind I think the show Whoops! can be fixed. The writer of the show
should let the character discover that they are no longer on Earth but on
some other planet or a parallel Earth. That would give the character some
hope of rescue from the deadend story line.
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From: jtruss@weierstrass.WPI.EDU (Free the Expo 67!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: rec.arts.tv.quantum-leap?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 19:43:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: weierstrass.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct16.185447.2351@netcom.com> sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith) writes:

>(I refuse to post the !@#$% FAQL question 21 again this week!)

Maybe you should just put it in your headers from now on...

X-!@#$%-FAQL-Question-21: ...(etc. etc.)

:)

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From: vickrey@guinan.enet.dec.com (Susan Vickrey)
Subject: Re: Quanum Leap: THE NOVEL
Reply-To: vickrey@guinan.enet.dec.com (Susan Vickrey)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:53:12 GMT


I can't comment on the book as I'm only up to Thursday in it, but...
consider what this could lead to - an entire series of books based
on Quantum Leap, ala Star Trek and Star Trek The Next Generation.

Probably with the same range of quality and continuity 8-) .

If we could just get Peter A David interested.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: QL: Mini-Encounters
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:09:41 GMT

salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:

>Does Sam have a black belt or something?

He knows tae kwon do.  You find this out in the "Oh boy, I'm a mommy" episode.

Bye.

Lady Johanna Constantine

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: finifter@remus.rutgers.edu (tracy e. finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: This weeks episode was *not* a smart idea.
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:53:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:

>Ok, first off i'm sorry about the Parapelegic statement.  My local 
>paper had said that he leaped into a parapelegic and I hadn't known
>the difference between the two until now.

>I *still* wasn't happy abuot the episode though.  But, maybe I just
>havent' been paying enough attention.  I always thought that he seemed
>to have some of the attributes of the person that he was leaped into.
>I thought that he *was* blind when he was in the blind man.  He *definitely*
>whined about his back when he was pregnant.  (Does'nt that seem odd to say ;)
>And when he was in the handicapped person he seemed to have problems 
>with his motor functions.  But, like I said, maybe I just wasn't paying
>enough attention maybe he was just trying hard at keeping those attributes
>up so that no one would know it was him.  *shrug*  I always thought it was
>his *mind* that leaped into the body.. not his body as well.. I'm very 
>confused about the whole thing..

>Can't argue with Sally can we?                       :)
>Alex

Well, "8 1/2 Months" is a special case that I havpurposefully tried to avoid
when discussing this topic.  But as a general rule, suffice it to say that
Sam has Sam's abilities whenever he leaps, and not the person's whom he has
leapt into.  Where he sometimes seems to have the other person's traits comes
more from how other people react to him, thinking that they're seeing who
Sam has leapt into and expecting him to have their same disabilities.  This
is especially true in "Jimmy" where Sam seemed to have taken on some of the
characteristics of a retarded person because of how the people around him
treated him, not because he actually became retarded for that leap.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Keep leaping...
Tracy-- 
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From: slrosser@whale.st.usm.edu (Sandra Lynne Rosser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: QL: Al and Sam...
Summary: ARE these guys best friends...?
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:21:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

>After "What Price, Gloria?" which was the first time Sam leaped into a
>woman, the Project realized that this could be a potential problem with 
>Al if he kept seeing Sam, his best friend, as a gogeous woman.  So they

I'm kind of new to the QL scene...I've watched it off and on since first
season, but only recently -really- gotten into it.  What -do- we know
about Al's relationship with Sam?  Were they pals?  Did they hang out
together, have a couple beers at the local bar?  Vacation together like
Mac and Pete on MacGyver?  What's the deal?  They're so different, yet
they click on screen like nothing I've ever seen--can anybody tell me
what they've told us so far?

Thanks,
Meredith
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: QL: I liked this episode, but...
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:40:33 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

  As the subject line says, I did like this episode, but...

  1.  The instant Kiki went to read Sam's palm, I knew they were going to be
    "involved."
  2.  Given (1), the divorcing wife bit was also obvious.
  3.  Sam getting up and decking the jerk attendant was also obvious from a
     mile off (I still enjoyed it, though).

  In short, the whole plot was pretty easy to see from the first 10 minutes.  
Of course, by this I mean the "How is the problem resolved" as opposed to "Is
the problem resolved".  The only part that really caught me off-guard was that
there was no vicious confrontation in the bar between hippie peaceniks and the
uniformed baby-killer (to apply derogatory images fairly).  Somehow I think in
'68 even a wheelchair would not have prevented that sort of thing.  In fairness,
such an event would have been distracting from the real plot, and I was glad it
was left out.

  I don't mind simple plots.  But the obviousness of this one made me squirm a
bit, even while I was otherwise enjoying the show.  Sort of a nit, I guess, but
I did want to mention it.

  Warning:  Sexist comment follows, hit 'n' now to avoid:

.












  You were warned:

  I thought Kiki was a babe.  Not "a very attractive woman",  but a babe.  
Thank you.


semper fi,

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones)
Subject: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Nowhere to Run
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:06:25 GMT


Spoilers for the 10/6 episode "Nowhere to Run"





















So you think the ST-TNG split plot was bad?  Well say hello to the QL
triple plot.

	1) Quadraplegic vet wants to end it all.
	2) Paraplegic vet's wife can't handle it; wants a divorce.
	3) MIA's wife is candy striping.

You know the problem with split plots - you can't do either one justice
in a half hour.  In this case, with three plots, the 8 minutes of commercials
really bite into it, leaving really only 15 minutes per plot... Super
Force had more time to develop a plot.  So the characters bit the
dust - let's dust off the old cardboard cutouts, guys and gals.

You can also throw in a couple of lame plot devices: "Ziggy can't find
out anything about the MIA 'cause he was detached to the CIA," and,
"Oh, gee, I forgot to check his wife's first name."  And don't forget
the random gratuitous "rubdown interruptus" scene... since she was gonna
divorce him anyway, what is usually a trite shtick became fluff filler...
the last thing you need in a triple plot story.

Also noticeably absent was most of the heavy-handed moralization you'd
expect in an episode about disabled vets.  While Al's speech was nice,
they turned what should have been an explosive confrontation at the bar
into a spilled coffee cup.  If only they had the time... Of course, if
they had, I might be complaining about how badly they had handled it.
But this episode convinced me I'd rather they try & fail than not try
at all.

So what about a grade?  It wasn't a bad episode by any means.  It just
looked like a reader's digest version of QL.  I'm leaning towards a high
D, because this could have been typical but wasn't quite.  On the other
hand, I had three TVs going at once (NLCS on 9, Caps v Leafs on 20) and
might have missed some key amount of dramatic impact.  Besides, they
kept continuity about Sam leaping into a disability.  And the
following Reasonable Doubts wasn't too bad.  And the Caps won.  So I'll
give them a C; if this is the worst they do this year, I'll survive.

Next week - here's hoping all hell breaks loose...

Jeremy Billones				billones@grebyn.com

PS - waitaminute.  If that was Deliver Us from Evil, a) that's a
really bad pun, and b) we got another g/d split plot coming up...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Nowhere to Run
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:35:59 GMT

Responding to Jeremy Billones here...

Quite a good episode in my opinion, and only two plots really.  The MIA
deal was a _minor_ point to explain the candy striper's presence.

Perhaps you should watch _one_ thing at a time?  What if I told you that
I read your posted review, but skipped words occasionaly and a couple
of the sentences, and thought it was a 'D' effort.  You would (rightly)
feel that I had done you an injustice, no?

Don

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From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: rec.arts.tv.quantum-leap?
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:21:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: memstvx1.1992Oct15.112133.3686
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

> 
>>_WILL_ there be a rec.arts.tv.quantum-leap?
> 
>     I seriously doubt it. There is just no way that a single television
> show would get enough support in a CFV to get its own rec.arts.* group.



There is an ALT.TV.LA.Law why not ALT.TV.QL ????


Rai
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: oneill@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian 'Doc' O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Highlander: Series and third movie
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:12:54 GMT

In article <10873@cayman.COM> mccoy@cayman.com (Michael McCoy) writes:
>bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
[About whether "tradition" controlled if the Immortals could kill each
other]
>
>Two problems with this (one from the movie, one from the series):
>
>- Kurgen didn't strike me as the type to obey traditions that were clearly 
>contrary to what he wanted. My sense was that he would have suffered 
>some sort of major sanction if he had tried to engage MacLeod in the 
>church (or vica versa).
>

That is how I felt...that there was nothing _physical_ to prevent them, but
more some sort of "disqualification" from The Game...

>- The first episode made several references to the "Old Ones," with an 
>implication that they were some sort of supervisory council for conflicts 
>between the immortals. (For example, Duncan told Conor he obtained 
>permission from the Old Ones to build his cabin on sacred ground.) The 
>existence of the Old Ones raises some interesting questions about the 
>origins of the immortals and the framework in which they compete.
>

Yes...I get the feeling that The Game, as it is referred to now, is just
that...whether the participants are willing or not. But there is some group
who control The Game, whether they be other Immortals, or something
greater...perhaps The Game is for their enjoyment...

>And how come the bodies don't float away when the immortals lose their 
>heads anymore?
>

Ummm...budget?

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From: markf@atlastele.com (Mark Ferris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL episode list
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:08:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.


Is there an FTPable or emailable episode list for Quantum Leap?

Thanks for any info


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL 10/6
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 11:54:31 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) writes:

> Kiki said that Sam's lifeline was almost big enough for too people.
> She was wrong, his lifeline must look like the Gordian Knot. :)
> 


Just in case.











 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> BTW, in the end when Kiki said "It was almost perfect" did anyone else 
> think she might have been the evil leaper?
> 
> 
> Dascoser

Here!  <raising hand>  That is exactly what I thought.  I'm glad to see I 
wasn't just being crazy and paradoid, looking for evil leeper clues.
Well I guess we will see in a few weeks then.


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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: Nowhere to Run
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:46:59 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Oct7.091837.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.100625.5988@grebyn.com>, billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) writes:
>> 
>> Spoilers for the 10/6 episode "Nowhere to Run"

>> 
>> 
>>                                            While Al's speech was nice,
>> they turned what should have been an explosive confrontation at the bar
>> into a spilled coffee cup.  
>
>I don't need more anti-vet sentiment, I think scaring the bejeezus out of the
>flower child was very effective.

Hear, hear!  I also give QL high marks for avoiding the cliche "vet vs. hippie"
confrontation.


>What WAS missing is something about the right to die, and quality of life. The
>roommate (Billy?) seemed better off than some I have met -- he could operate
>the electric wheelchair by leaning, rather than a straw or chin control.  From
>the look of it, someone like that could actually regain some arm use with
>extensive therapy.  Maybe, maybe not.
>
>However, his quality of life still is very poor.  He would not be able to live
>without constant support.  Does he have the right to die?  Whoever's upstairs
>didn't think so.

Err... did you see the part where Sam pulls him out of the pools, and he cries
"save me!"?  It's clear that Billy decided he made a mistake, and "whoever's
upstairs" lept Sam in to give him another chance.  Seems to me that `right to
die' doesn't really enter into the discussion here, because utlimately,
Billy wanted to *live*.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: sf channel cartoons
From: <JSMITH@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 20:36:56 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

o.k. people, do any of you out there know what sf cartoons the sf channel is
  showing? I know they are showing Star Trek animated for sure, and I think
 they might be showing the animated Fantastic Voyage and Return to the Planet
  of the Apes, but I don't know what else.



Sincerely, James Smith---University of North Dakota
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.tv
From: hamlet@zeus.tamu.edu (Rosencrantz & Guildinstern are dead!)
Subject: QL: What can Al see  (was Re: QL: NOwhere to Run (Possible Spoilers))
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:16:00 GMT

In article <+dtzv4m@rpi.edu>, dzembj@rpi.edu writes...
>In article <1992Oct7.193442.16271@u.washington.edu>, il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh) writes:
>|> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
>|> > eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
> 
> 
>An interesting theory has been proposed in private.  I hope Larne or Warren
>(whichever one of them it was which proposed it;  sorry, guys) doesn't mind
>my reiterating it here.
>After "What Price, Gloria?" which was the first time Sam leaped into a
>woman, the Project realized that this could be a potential problem with 
>Al if he kept seeing Sam, his best friend, as a gogeous woman.  So they
>started working on reprogramming the Imaging Chamber so that Al would see
>Sam as Sam and verse vica with the leapee.  This reprogramming was probably
>completed around the time of "Pool Hall Blues" since there's a mention made
>during that episode that Al sees the leapee as themselves and Sam as Sam.
>From that point on, it's been constant.
>
Spoiler for season opener ahead.
 
I had originally thought this also, but then I remembered the season opener.
In it, Lee Harvey Oswald saw Sam's reflection, not his own.  Also, there was
much discussion to the fact the Al would never shoot somebody who appeared
as Sam, even if it wasn't. (Granted, that was before this episode aired.)

Just my 2% of $1.00.
			Hamlet
From: ANTHONYS@ucrvm2.BITNET ("Anthony R. Sanchez")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #525
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:15:54 GMT


    I do agree about the effects that Sam's actions could cause in the present
timeline.  The smallest deviation would cause a ripple effect altering all
related actions after that.  But I don't think the writters should adhere to
this strict law:  Eventually Al, and the whole proyect, even himself,would
end up changing...a definite no no.

    I've come to the conclusion that rationalizing time travel is impossible,
you always end up contradicting yourself at one point or another.

                      Anthony.