From: rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero)
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Subject: RE: CYBERHISTORY         
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:20:23 CDT
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DSY (Dave Yadallee) sez:
>Warning: MAJOR "TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN" SPOILERS AHEAD!!
Good idea, Dave.  Really.  No sarcasm intended.

>
>rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael "The Cyberleader" Quintero) writes:
>
>- DSY (the Mad Yodeler of Charing Cross and all points west) sez:
>
>Hey, mate.  I am from Coulsdon, Surrey and all points South!!
>
>- Of course it does, Dave.  It is CLEARLY STATED in "Attack" that THE CYBERMEN
>- HAVE NO GRASP OF TIME TRAVEL!  THEY HAD TO *STEAL* A TIME SHIP, DAVE!
>- Therefore, our version of the continuum will be the same as ours.  (Sorry
>- for shouting, just don't know what came over me..... :-)
>
>  It could have possibly been stolen, for all we know!  BTW get your keyboard
>checked!! 8-)

WHAT could have been stolen, Dave?  The timeship definitely was.  That's
the point.

>- >  Mike, if you see Earthshock, part 4, the Doctor and the Cyberleader are re
>- >  to the war in which the Cybermen would be badly outnumbered.  If it is the
>- >  that Voga was a new moon of Jupiter in 2526, it would have been known.
>- Voga, as stated in "Revenge", had only been in orbit around Jupiter for a
>- short while at that point.  By 2526, it would have been old hat.
>-
>- My own, rather cynical theory is that after the Cyberman attack, the humans
>- which knew about Voga told Earth government.  Earth government loots and
>- destroys Voga... fortunately for the Cybermen.  It IS possible
>- that the Cybermen just MIGHT have been outnumbered in two Cyberwars, Dave.
>- Anyway, the CyberLeader only said that "the forces would have been.. too
>- great."  Not, "the forces were too great".
>-
>  Hmm! But on such short notice?

Sure!  In "The Pirate Planet", a planet jumps around and extracts valuable
minerals from planets.  Please don't tell me Earth couldn't rig up a similar
affair for a planet full of gold.

>- >  Also, addressing Iain point on Tomb, 2 references are made in Tomb : The C
>- >  reference of knowing the Doctor from there Attack on the Moonbase, and the
>- >  refers to the Tombs as being 500 years in service.
>- I've seen Tomb two or three times (I've got an excellent NTSC conversion of
>- it) and it only states that the Cybermen have been asleep for 500 years by
>- Klieg.  Now, one would think that Earth's government would try to cover up an
>- attacks by the Cybermen if at all possible.  So... perhaps Klieg was counting
>- from 1986 AD, the MONDASian attack, placing it at circa 2486 AD.  Sorry to
>- spoil your mutating of lost stories... it almost proved your point.
>-
>  Watch Tomb Again!! The Cyberleader makes mention of knowing the Doctor from
>"The Moonbase" which is 2070!

Sure.  What I'M saying is that the 500 years thing is wrong.  As in,
2486-500=1986.  They are definitely calculating from 1986, the Mondas invasion.
The Professor is wrong.  He assumes, not knowing better, that the Cybermen were
last heard from in 1986, the Mondas invasion.  They were actually frozen in
2175 or so.  The Cyberleader can have known the Doctor, he was frozen after
the Moonbase.  The 500 year thing works out, it was a mistake by the Professor,
since the Moonbase and Wheel had been "hushed up", as the Invasion was.

>- >  Also, for everyone, and sorry to spoil this, the Cybercontroller was fried
>- >  Tomb, but was active in Attack.  Most baffling.
>-
>- Attack: Dr.: But he (Cybercontroller) was killed in the Tombs.
>-       Cyberleader: Merely damaged... Doctor.
>-
>- Pay attention, please.
>
>  Not only were the doors to be electrified, but also the control panel as
>well.

I don't see how that makes any difference.  If it can be electrified, it
can be de-electrified.  Also, there are things called insulators, to shield
one from electrical current. (You know, that's how you don't get killed
when you chew on electric cords.)

>- >> Theory about Silver Nemesis/Attack connection deleted.
>- > Just a note of logic: Attack vis-a-vis the Cybermen is post-Tomb.
>- Yes, HALF of it is.  The OTHER half is based on 1985 AD Earth courtesy of
>- the timeship they stole....  (How else are they going to relocate Halley's
>- Comet?)
>-
>- Mike " The Cyberleader" Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us )
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>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
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