From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: The Ignorance of Mazen Mokhtar about Arabism
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:14:19 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: mmokhtar@attmail.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
>
>  I hope Mr. Sterling will allow me to answer the questions he posed to M. G.
>
>  I _am_ discounting the ligitimacy of Arabism. My bases are:
>
>  - What is their legitimacy? There is no source for it. The legitimacy
>    of Arabism needs to be established before it can be discounted.

	The legitimacy of the Arabs over their own land and way of life 
	is not questionable. In the so called Arab Land most of the people
	who live there are Arabs.  So the ruler is bound to be an Arab. Do
	you think the Arabs have to be ruled by Chinese or a Turk or an 
	Iranian you got it wrong.

	The Arabs accepted the rule of the non-Arabs based on Islamic
	priciples and that did not work. The rule of non-Arabs resulted
	in the collapse of Arabic language and the appearance of weired
	cults of Islamic crazy groupings. The Arabic language is a very
	important factor to protect Islam. History has taught us that
	only an Arab ruler can do so. You just look at how you speak
	Arabic and judge for yourself.

>  - There was never in history an Arab state or an Arab civilization.
>  - Arabism is divisive. It divides Muslim people.

	How do you want to define a state? Arabic way of life and Arabic
	culture has developed through history from tribalism to a small
	state like that in Hira (Iraq pre-Islam) then by the advent of
	Islam Arabs took on a new way of life, you want to call it
	Islamic go ahead I call it Arabic since Mohammad was an Arab and
	the carriers of his message were Arabs as well. Mohammad warned
	us not from Nationalism but from Tribalism, becaue of your
	ignorance in Arabic language you tend to get mixed up. Go and
	study the Quran again and come and tell us.

>  - It is akin to racism. It advocates Arab superiority. Pan-Islamism takes
>    Muslims way out of their way to protect the rights and interests of
>    non-Muslims; Arabism does not recognize the equal rights of non-Arabs.

	In no place Arabism claims Arabs are superior to any race. What
	Arabism is all about is that Arabs rule themselves and advance
	their own cause.
 
	I challenge you to provide me a text or a quote in any writings 
	of a pan-Arabist to prove the point of you cheapo claim than
	Pan-Arabism defends Supriority.

>  - It has a long history of creating failure and injustice.

	Examples and rteferences please. Talk is very cheap.

>  - It violates the aims and tenents of Islam.

	Are not those Muslim Mujahids in Afganistan are violating Islam 
	by Killing each other. They arte all claimed Islam and all
	received money from CIA and Saudi Arabia.

	Look artound you and find the violation of Islam.

>> Also, on what FACTUAL basis can you condemn Pan-Arabism/Arab Nationalism?
>
> - Failure.
 
	Do we blame Islam because Islam failed to make you a balanced
	person.?

>  - Injustice.

	Is it Justice for all those cuvilians killed in Kabul in the
	name of Islam?
  
> - Discouraging free flow of ideas or information.
 
	My Muslim brother !! You telling me about freedom of
	information!!!!
	
> - Oppression.
 
	May be against women. Go and Ask your Wahhabi fellows in Arabia
	Is not this in the name of Islam!!!
	
> - Encouraging ignorance.
 
	I expect you grew up in a pan-Arabist country sdo you were
	encouraged to be like what you are!!!

> - Stifling freedoms.

	The freedom of bigotted people will be stiffled. You friend M.G
	was talking about killing the Palestinians and Arab Christians.
	Do you think he will havbe freedom!! May be under a
	pseudo-Islamic rule but I assure you not under an Arab rule.
 
> - Creating unnecessary tension, even wars, with non-Arabs.

	Our rights have to be defended. So what do you suggest my friend
	hand in our homes and leave it for the non-Arabs.

>  Need more?

	Enough ignorance!!

>>  Who will run this "union"?
>
>  Qualified people, whoever they are; without violating the standards of
>Justice and Freedom that God granted to _all_ people in Islam.

	May be we can model our Islamic State on the Afgani model. No 
	I guess the Iranian Model. If you do not like both get the
	Wahhabi Model from Arabia.

>  There are no formal clerics in Islam. Every Muslim is responsible for acting
>in an Islamic manner. Those who are qualified to perform a job should be
>in positions to do so. Economists should have an economics background, a
>Qur'an teacher probably cannot plan economic policy, but an economist
>probably can. Neither is more of a cleric in Islam. In Islam, every individual
>is the equivalent of the Christian minister.


	Send the Muslim technocrats to be trained in Kabul. Good
	Education from Professor Rabbani and Hekmetyar.


>Regards,
>
>Mazen Mokhtar


	Regards 

	A Jaber
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