From: dnmao%mich.hepnet@LBL.BITNET
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: RE: Suggestions
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:38:58 GMT
Reply-To: dnmao%mich.hepnet@LBL.BITNET
Organization: Indiana University

I appreciate very much Mr.Hou's suggestions and b.[Aelive if every netter held
such attitudes, this net would be like a wonderful paradise. However, since
every one can join this net, including people like me and people like Deng
Gang (William? a 'patriot'), it is almost impossible to see all messages are
responsible, academic, rational and positive.

I have accessed this net for just a few months. I have seen many excellent
people on this net whom I had never known before and to whom I have to pay
repsect. (Even many of them have totally different view from mine, e.g.
suppoting MFN etc) On the other hand, I have observed some dirty figures
as well whom I used to see alot in China and to whom I can not help shouting
'Fuck you up!'

In fact, I have been bothered for long time by being asked to be 'tolarabel'
when I am irrated by some shameless guys. I am always confused by such
questions: can I shut up any one's mouth if I am not 'telorable'? Can I
deprive anyone's right because I am not 'tolerable'? I Guess when those people
who gave me  suggestions really menat 'gentle' when they used the word
'telorable', because there is no point to talk about teloration. We are all
powerless people. If my guess is right, I am sorry to say that I can not be
gentle to the person who really hurts me by disgusting 'gentle' bullshit.
Then what is my definition of the bullshit? Simple, All his words are bullshit
if soemone wants to make show or to dance on any bloody body.

Since netters are so controversial, it is not necessarily to ask all of us
to fellow some unrealistic rules. Different people have different style. That
is why there were Zhou Shuren and Zhou Zuoren, there were L.Tolstoy and A.
Solzhenizsym. You can not be NOT emotional if you see a crazy guy put shit on
your face or on other people's face.

I do not know ST by myself. All words about him from my friends were not
very positive. But all these friends are very upset by CCP's having arrested
him. From this I see the common sense of the humanbeings: thirst for freedom.
By contrast, Deng Gangs love to see and hear ST's being arrested and then
get a new chance to invest for thier better life. This time, I see another
side of the humanbeings: desire for fame and wealth.

I would like to say more to Deng Geng though it may be useless to him::

1) new/old party theroy:
I believe no one can deny that tens million chinese people have died of
irresponsibl CCP for no reason since CCP took over China. I do not know
why with millions of chinese lives we still can not get pay back a words: 'CCP
no longer has right to represent chinese pelple's interest! No!' No matter
who are the leaders, Mao Zedong, Zhou Eenglai, Liu Shaoqi, Deng Xiaoping.
They all ignore people's interest, no point to say new or old. It is CCP.
Beside, an old/new CCP theory is not new. It is a very old game played by
CCP in 1962, 1966, 1976, 1979 and to be played as soon as TAM event is
redressed.

2) Russian example:
You have not proved
1) China can make a detoure to avoid what happens in Russia and to reach its
   final democracy goal.
2) If same changes happen in China, China will necessarily falls into chaos.
It is true that econemy in China seems better than that in Russia. But this
is just a function value not derivative. Their derivative is much much bigger
than ours. I think, we will see a strong and free Russia few years later and
understand the price they are paying now is worthwhile. In addition to this,
you have praised that CCP made chinses independent (assume this was true).
you know how chaotic it was from 1946-1949? For what? For chinese people to
be indepent from KMT and to be depend of CCP? I belive the situation would be
much better than that time if China started real democracy now. You forgot
this, or more precisely, like what you did everywhere, you trust your logic:
'what I would like to be is right'. The 43 years' experiment in China reveals
that any party can not do any worse to China than CCP. You may argue there
are 47 miliions CCP party members in China. To my mind, most CCP members who
are much more honest than you will be very happy to welcome a real democrate
society since they are all ordinary human beings..

3) About all others
All you want to sell is to ask people to show appreciation to a robber, who
has plundered people's all  clothes but only returned a button. This is a
total nonsens and no one buys it.

Dongning Mao
U of Michigan
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