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From: hogan@jasper (Kharim Hogan)
Subject: How to get back to non-extended release!!
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:18:32 GMT

Hi,

I initially bought a 8/250 Turbo station which came with the regular
non-extended 2.2 release for a total of about 68 MB used up by the OS.
I then added the extended release which pretty much filled up my drive.

I recently purchased an external 520 MB drive which I configured as
the boot drive with the full 2.1 extended release.  My question is 
this, I would like to clean up the internal now so that all that is
left on it is the original release with which it came but everytime
I perform a BuildDisk on it, I now get the full extended release on
the disk.  Is there an easier way to put it back to its original state
without having to manually delete all the extra stuff by hand?  i.e.
Can I rebuild this disk with the non-extended version somehow?
If not, how can I get the list of the files included in the non-extended
version?  I've looked everywhere and can't find any listing.

The other thing is that I would like to use the internal drive to swap on
now.  How can I set this up?  Can I simply link /private/vm/swapfile to
the internal from the main boot drive?

Thanks for your help!

Kharim Hogan



-- 
*************************************************************************
     Kharim M. Hogan             Systems Administrator 
     hogan@music.mcgill.ca       Faculty of Music, McGill University
*************************************************************************
From: sylvain@athena.mit.edu (Sylvain Levesque)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: SGI/Toshiba CD-ROM on NeXT
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:05:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I have tried to post this two days ago, but it seems I was not succesful.

Has anybody tried to hook up the Toshiba CD-ROM that SGI provide
for their machine to a NeXT.

I have connected one to my machine but it recognize it as a
read/write device (type 0) and is assigned(?) device sd2.

I am unable to mount the CD-ROM either using mount or CDROM.util.

I have also tried to do a mode sense using Charles Chambers tools
but I get an error.

Any pointer would be much appreciated.

sylvain@athena.mit.edu
From: fox@GRAPHICS.CS.NYU.EDU (David Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Floppys no longer mount
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:55:03 GMT
Organization: New York University

My wife accidentally dragged the floppy disk icon into
her home directory, and now it has vanished.  She power
cycled it, but it no longer mounts the floppy when it
is inserted.  The machine is at home and I'm not, so
I can't tell if it is a serious problem, but does anyone
know what needs to be done, or if we really are in
trouble here?

-david
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.sysadmin:5938 comp.sys.next.programmer:6698
From: pjr@splash.Princeton.EDU (Peter Rayner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: tricking dump to not dump files
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:43:43 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Perhaps this question belongs on a generic UNIX admin group but we'll
start here, I'm sorry about the cross-posting too but it's half an
admin and half a programming issue.

For reasons of my own I want to incrementally dump a filesystem to a
file *ON THAT FILESYSTEM*.  You might worry that this causes an
infinite loop, fortunately not since dump checks the sizes out fairly
early in the piece it would appear.  So in general this works.  However
in order to keep the dump small enough to occasionally transfer to a
finite number of diskettes (say once a week in a ring buffer
arrangement) and because  I want a new file every day I want to avoid
dumping the dump files themselves.  Perhaps an example would help
on Sunday I dump to a file day.0 in some directory.  On Monday I do a
dump at the same level but to day.1.  Normally day.1 will contain a
dump of day.0 and it's this I want to avoid.  

NeXT provide a helpful hint about how to do this involving changing the
file information so that dump thinks it hasn't been modified for a
long time.  To me this sounds or at least sounded a lot like the
utimes system call.

So, I wrote a *very* small program which optionally takes a time
argument (default the epoch) and sets the modification time of the
rest of its arguments to that time.  Finally it calls sync(2).  Is
this elegant?  No, not really but it does work, i.e after applying it
to a file with a time argument of 1000000 it says the file was
modified some time in January 1970, just after the beginning of the
universe 8-) Now I have done a level 0 dump since then, I think it was
the early Cretaceous.

So, I apply this program to day.0 in my above example thus rendering
it immune from dumping yes? No.  It still gets dumped right along with
everything else which has been changed since the last level 0.

My theory (which is mine) on this is that dump is actually looking at
the inode-changed time.  Can anyone confirm this?  Can anyone suggest
an alternative approach to tricking dump?
Thanks in advance and all that
-- 
Peter Rayner Program in Oceanic           | "All right, I retract, the 
and Atmospheric Sciences Princeton        | Honourable Member does *not* have
University                                | the brains of a monkey." F.Daly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde)
Subject: Re: -NXHost xxxxx  over SLIP?  has anyone done this?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:48:04 GMT

In article <Oct07.231457.38767@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (The BLaCKSMiTHE) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>Has anyine out there tried to run an app remotely via a SLIP
>connection (~9600bps) by the -NXHost option??
>I assume this is possible if you just try something like:
>% DataPhile.app -NXHost <insert temporary IP address here> &
>
>but has anyone tried it?
>
>+------------------------------------------------------------------+
It works over SLIP, but I rarely use it at 9600. It is very slow.
When I tried to use Mail.app over SLIP, it took about 3 minutes for
the windows to come up and it another half a minute for the send window
to appear and another half a minute for me to type in the addess 
and see it displayed in the to field. Another 20 seconds to get
over to the Subject field. Another half a minute to type in the
subject... and then I quit.

Dmitri Linde
From: paul@nextus.tucson.az.us (Paul Tognato-Haddad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: How to message network users before system shutdown?
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:15:14 GMT
Distribution: world,local

In article <werFEuu00WAvQ1gMJX@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
> 
> Now, why can we simply write a 10 line program that uses NXRunAlertPanel
> to run a alert-panel with an OK button, and then arrange to have it run
> remotely on whatever machine you wish it run on...  (Net-gurus, is there
> any way to have inetd run it on demand?  Or would we need a daemon
> process on each machine?)  (For that matter, will it (the daemon or
> whatever process) need to be owned by the current user to access the
> workspace?)
> 
> 
> 		-David Apfelbaum
> 		 da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu

How about an app that uses distributed objects.  One program would be  
autolaunched by every user and then connect to the server app.  Whenever  
the network needs to be shutdown the server just sends a message to the  
client apps telling them to NXRunAlertPanel. Sounds pretty simple, but I  
haven't looked at distributed objects for very long.

--
Paul           (NeXTmail preferred)

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no  
account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Optical Disks and 3.0
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:41:37 GMT

Harry Vlahos writes
| 
| Has anyone else experienced problems with mounting
| optical disks in a NextCube running v3.0.
| 
| Ever since I updated to 3.0 I couldn't load 
| any of my backup optical disks.  I know the 
| drive is fine because I can log in as root
| and screw around with the fsck and mount commands
| until I finally get it to not spit out the disk.
| Then it'll mount fine and I can access all the info on 
| the optical disk.  I need to power down and power up
| in order to eject the disk.   disk -e  doesn't work
| on the optical drive.
| 
| Has anyone else seen this problem ?

I haven't had a single problem with Opticals under 3.0 - and I also had backups  
as well as other important info on about six different disks all formatted  
under 2.1, 2.2 and 2.2a

However, when the System panics, I do end up Repairing any disk that is  
inserted (the repair is as expected, but the panic is not :-(
-- 
Brian Willoughby	Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU
BrianW@SoundS.WA.com	Sound Signal Processing Software and Consulting
NeXTmail welcome	- NO EMAIL SOLICITATION without prior permission
From: cartley@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Craig Artley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: sendmail and mail clients
Summary: No one knows how to do it.
Keywords: sendmail mailhost
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:43:19 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Oct13.220907.40827@slate.mines.colorado.edu> cartley@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Craig Artley) writes:
>If I send mail to the outside world from one of the mail clients,
>shouldn't it still appear to be from cartley@"mailhost", rather than
>cartley@"client"?  The reason I ask is that the name of the mailhost is
>likely to be a permanent feature, while some of the clients may be only
>temporary (due to name changes, network changes, etc.).  Therefore, I
>would prefer that outgoing mail contains the name of the permanent
>mailhost rather than the client.
>
>I suspect that this would be an easy thing to do with the sendmail
>configuration file.  Does anyone know how to do it?

I've received many requests for a summary of the answers.  Here it is:
-------

-------
That's it.  No one who knows how to do this has shared the answer.
I'm still surprised that NeXT doesn't build this into the
sendmail.sharedsubsidiary.cf, as it would seem to be the desired default
behavior for a mail client.

	-craig
-- 
Craig Artley      cartley@mines.colorado.edu      (303) 273-3557
Dept. of Geophysics, Colorado School of Mines, Golden, CO  80401
From: cpf@broca.med.virginia.edu (Chris Fall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: what else... NextMail?
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:24:40 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

As evidenced by the enclosed routing history, my mail keeps getting bounced  
bask with the message "can't mail for 3 days" or the like. The mailer seems to  
want to send things via ddn, though I don't think the addressee would be ddn.  
anyway...


Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:46:03 -0400
From: NeXT Mail Agent <Mailer-Agent>
Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
To: cpf

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
421 pencom.com (ddn)... Deferred: Network is unreachable

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
Return-Path: <cpf>
Received: from tanzi by broca  (NX5.67c/NX3.0M)
	id AA02573; Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:45:50 -0400
From: Chris  P. Fall <cpf>
Message-Id: <9210090045.AA02573@broca >
Received: by tanzi.med.Virginia.EDU (NX5.67c/NX3.0X)
	id AA00443; Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:45:48 -0400
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 20:45:48 -0400
Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1.RR)
Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1.RR)



any clues??
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: bug in tar, anyone fixed it?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:03:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


Zenon Fortuna admirably does some testing and concludes:

>> The original posting was about tar-like program which should handle names
>> longer than 100 characters.
>> MANY PEOPLE answered, that the gnutar is the solution. Somebody is wrong   :)

gnutar is indeed *a* solution.  You did not follow your test through to
its conclusion, which is to reextract the files.  Yes, the names (including
paths) longer than 100 characters get renamed to @@MaNgLeD.n, where n is
an integer.  BUT, there is a file written at the end of the tar file that
contains the *real* names for these "mangled" file names, and when doing
a "gnutar x", this file is read and the mangled names are renamed to their
proper, longer than 100 character, full names.

I tried this on /NextDeveloper/Apps/InterfaceBuilder.app, which has many
name/paths longer than 100 characters.

I said "a" solution as opposed to "the" solution, since this doesn't
help when you want to extract a particular file without extracting all
of them.  There may be a way to do that with gnutar that I don't know,
but it would take two passes of the file, since the name information is
at the end.  Or one pass in which all the files with mangled file names
are extracted.  Actually, let me try that ...

Hmm, doesn't quite work.  A "gnutar xvf - @@MaNgLeD.\*" got all the
files like that, but at the end it was not able to rename them to where
they belonged, since the directories did not exist.  I might call this a
bug in gnutar, since I can imagine a situation in which a long name is
the only one in that directory, and then the original extract might
fail.  gnutar does seem to be able to make at least one directory down,
but maybe not more.

As someone else mentioned, bigtar is also only a partial solution, since
much of the tar functionality seems to be missing in bigtar.  Though it
does work for long names.  For backups though, I would prefer gnutar,
since I may have to restore the files on a non-NeXT machine.  I can find
or make gnutar on another machine, but not bigtar.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca)
Subject: HELP can't log in as root any more
Organization: Johns Hopkins University - Homewood Academic Computing
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:05:51 GMT


I just changed the buffers in the ROM monitor using sd- nbu=64, and
return at all other questions. The procedure was:

I su'd to root, did a "shutdown now" command, 
2. I did:

# sync
# sync
# halt

3. t ROM prompt I did "p" and put in the sd- nbu=64
4. Did not change other params

When I logged in as root, I got "WorkSpace Manager error" I CAN log into my
account. 

I put the buffers back to default with no result - the boot process was fine,
but cannot log in as root.

I tried sd -nbuf=64 - again, worked fine, but cannot go into root.

I AM using the right password, and CAN su to root from my account.

Thanks for any help.


Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Keywords: 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: /etc/systemTar.Z wanted
Summary: /etc/systemTar.Z wanted
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:48:16 GMT


I wish to be able to return my machine to "stand alone"

I currently is server and I think I have configured the 
machine more than once in SimpleNetWorkStarter.

Could somebody NeXTMail me there /etc/systemTar.Z for _VANILLA_ NS3.0 (CD) 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: eps!uunet (Steven Kornreich)
Subject: mailDBupdate
Reply-To: steve@eps.com
Organization: EPS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:51:26 GMT

We have just installed 3.0 on out NeXT Dimenssion system and when we try to  
update our mail database using the 'mailDBupdate' from a shell we get a "Bus  
Error" anyone have an Idea whats wrong?


steve@eps.com
From: da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Apfelbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: SYBASE crashes 3.0 - and SOLUTION !
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:21:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.serEs4600WAvI1gKA7
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Can some net-guru explain why we can't just reserve the 3696 and 4696
port numbers by placing them in /etc/services (& uploading them into our
netinfo servers...)

I'd try it out myself, but I don't have a copy of Sybase...


	-David Apfelbaum
	 da0g+@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu (James C. Luby)
Subject: DoveFax  Modem
Reply-To: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:16:21 GMT


1) Does anyone know the email address for Dove Computer Corporation?  The email  
address that came with my DoveFax modem (uunet!next1!support) does not work, at  
least for me.

2) I'm happy with the modem; it works as advertised.  One thing I would like to  
be able to do however is to have incoming faxes automatically print on my NeXT  
laser printer.  Does anyone know how to make this happen?

				Thanks!

				Jim Luby
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: hsr@cs.Stanford.EDU (Scott Roy)
Subject: Unwanted read receipts from Mail.app
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:25:05 GMT

Strange behavior from Mail.app, release 3.0:

A friend of mine, who uses a non NeXT machine, keeps getting read receipts  
when he sends me e-mail.  After some investigation, it seems that his  
machine name--starry--is the culprit.

It seems that Mail.app requests a read receipt by including a 'RR' in the  
outgoing header:

	'Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1.RR)'	-- send a receipt
	'Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1)'	-- don't

Here's the header that his machine attaches:

	Received:  by Starry.Stanford.EDU (4.1/25-STARRY-eef) id AA23466;  
Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:35:12 PDT

Notice the 'RR' in 'STARRY'.
Hmm.

My guess is that Mail.app is doing a poor job of parsing its receipt  
requests.  Has anyone else seen this problem?  Does anyone have a  
suggested fix?

Scott
From: paul@nextus.tucson.az.us (Paul Tognato-Haddad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Distributed Objects over SLIP
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:07:30 GMT
Distribution: world,local

Simple question is it possible to run an app that uses Distributed Objects  
over a SLIP conection?

--
Paul           (NeXTmail preferred)

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no  
account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
From: thunter@reis100.alleg.edu (Tim Hunter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: SLIP Server Configuration same probelm
Keywords: Slip server
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:13:25 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Oct5.194055.15465@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Michael McCulloch) writes:
>  <stuff deleted here>
>
> I disabled expectation of a password in the login-unix.tcl script and
> everything seems to work OK, except when I establish a connection from the
> client I never receive a response for telnet, ping, etc. I can see the 
> modem sending the packets over the phone line, but the server never responds.
> I'm also running into the following problems on the server side.
> 
>  < stuff deleted here also>
>
> I've checked (and double-checked) my host configuration and NetInfo is only 
> serving local. I do, however, have a default ethernet gateway set. My routing
> table after booting looks like:
> 
> Routing tables
> Destination      Gateway            Flags     Refs     Use  Interface
> localhost        localhost          UH          1      536  lo0
> gandalf          localhost          UH          0        0  slip0
> default          140.165.32.254     UG          2       17  en0
> 140.165          gandalf            U          37     1207  en0
> 
> Again, my entry in config.slip for the server is:
> 
> SLIP0LOCAL=140.165.32.59
> SLIP0REMOTE=140.165.32.59
> SLIP0NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> SLIP0CONFIG=SLIP
> SLIP0DEFAULT=NO
> 
> where 140.165.32.59 is the address of gandalf, the aspiring SLIP server.
> 
> When I disable SLIP and reboot, the AppleShare stuff mounts in /Net and the
> loginwindow appears??
> 
>> Micheal,  Did you get yours to work and if so how? 
>> Im having the same problem with a similiar configuration.  They only
>> difference is that I have the SLIP0REMOTE in the config.slip files set to
>> the other machine's slip0 ip address so they both point to each other. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Tim Hunter
>> Allegheny College
>> thunter@alleg.edu
>>
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu (James C. Luby)
Subject: Mailbox persmissions
Reply-To: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:08:50 GMT

I've seen a number of articles recently talking about the fact NeXT apparently  
has set the wrong file permissons on the template Mailboxes directories.  Would  
someone please post what they think the permissions should be?  For instance,  
it seems reasonable that read permission by others should not be set but does  
one need write or execute permisson by others so they can send you mail?   
Thanks!

					Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo)
Subject: Re: Only 2 Fax Modems in 3.0?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:58:01 GMT

In article <BvqDLo.9BG@iat.holonet.net> cmumford@iat.holonet.net (Chris Mumford) writes:
>Wouldn't it be awesome if NeXT ported NeXTStep to the SGI?

	YES, YES, YES!  I've been saying this for over a year now.  Think
about it,  The NeXT InDIGO!

	Actually, NeXT and SGI should merge; SGI builds the hardware, NeXT
the software.  Excellent!

	Dream on ...  8^)

--Felix
From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu 
Subject: Mail permissions (scary!)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:53:49 GMT

Is it just me or is the fact that the 755 default permissions (readable by all)  
for everything in a users Mailboxes dir a very scary notion.

--

Kevin Solie

kevins@ms.uky.edu
kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Tips on smail building wanted
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:03:32 GMT

Has anyone compiled smail 3.1.28 (or greater) on a NeXT running NeXTSTEP 3.0?   
If so, can you offer any pointers or tips for a clean build?  I'm not exactly  
sure on how to configure this one so I can completely remove sendmail and  
replace it with smail.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin