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From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: Cat Fight Over Socks, Clintons' Pet
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:53:58 GMT


>So, cat lovers, what would be an adequate retribution for those pest
>photographers???  >:)

I think Socks would probably have the best form of retribution...Use their
calves for a scratching post?  Either that or make them some sort of cat
slave for a day...

Mary and Slash


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From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:08:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Nov15.231622.19961@ncar.ucar.edu> vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.010637.26866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes:
>>Has anybody else noticed that some TV shows are finally beginning to 
>>acknowledge the central role of cats in the American family?  Not only do we 
>>have Data's Spot on "Star Trek," 
>
>Potential Spoilers for Star Trek episode "A Fistful of Datas":
>
>
>
>Any other Trekkers out there who found it amusing that Data had to
>remove Spot from his keyboard not once but twice in this episode?  I
>guess cats in the future haven't learned any more about reverence for
>computers than cats in the present ... :-)

Yup, I noticed that. Also loved the fact that the food replicators on
several decks wouldn't give anything except cat food!

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: amo@cbnews.cb.att.com (arlene.m.osborne)
Subject: Re: Special food for cat with kidney disease?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:29:50 GMT
Summary: some gain

In article <H.ea.WBDdhddcyHc@harvee.billerica.ma.us>, scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) writes:
> a cat on a lowprotein diet may lose weight and look awful.  this is still
> likely to be better than pumping up its wieght with foods its kidneys can't
> handle.

Some cats gain.  I have one that has been on KD for about six
months.  After about 2 months on KD, he gained about 2 pounds.
The stuff has really caused himto gain weight -- he's falling away
to a ton!  The vet was surprised, but is not alarmed.

And my smallest (3.5 pound) cat has finally gained enough weight so
you can't feel her ribs or hips anymore!  (The vet recommended I
put all my cats on KD since it would be easier than to separate them.)
The stuff is really good (only we didn't anticipate the weight gain!)

Arlene Osborne
From: sarah@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Re: vets and bills
Reply-To: sarah@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:33:02 GMT

I have a request to make:
 
I live in Albany and am in need of a vet who is not too expensive,
and is good with animals, but the second is obviously the first\
priority.
 
If anyone can recommend one, please email to:\
SARAH @ ALBNYVMS.BITNET
 
Thanks in advance
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rusty@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Kenneth Hall)
Subject: Re: Raw pork ok for cats?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:10:00 GMT

In article <Bxo8LL.JpH@cs.dal.ca>, maillet@cs.dal.ca (Andre M. Maillet) writes...
>In article <Nimtz.1-131192122212@nimtziici.edmedia.nd.edu>, Nimtz.1@nd.edu (Rick Nimtz) writes:
> 
>|> Is it ok to feed cats raw pork?
>|> 
>|> 
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> Rick Nimtz                              INTERNET: Richard.D.Nimtz.1@nd.edu
>|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Raw pork should never, ever, EVER be consumed. Either by kitty or by master.
> Raw pork often harbors a certain disease (I can't remember what it's called)
> that can be very harmful at best.
> In fact, I'm not sure I would give any kind of raw meat to my friends, be they
> human or feline. 8^)
> 
> Dray and Furball. 
>-- 

The disease that you refer to is Tricinosis.  It is a parasite which 
enters the pigs through contaminated food stuffs (pigs will eat 
anything that does not move).  Host site within the body is the liver 
and will cause cystits to form.  

As a rule of thumb from my mom never feed anything to any animal that 
you would not feed to a child of the same age.  Granted the digestive 
tracts of all involved are different but for a new owner this may help 
in what is safe and what is not.

R
From: raj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Jewett)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:38:30 GMT
Subject: Cat's vision
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats

So, my daughter comes up to me last night and asks: "Does Nugget see in
color?" (Nugget is the cat of course!).  I summon up all my knowledge on
the subject and answer: "Ah, er, a .......I don't know."

Aha, but I know where to ask...I hope.  So what say ye?  Do cats see in
living color or just black and white?

Thanks.  You all are going to make Dad look smart again!

Bob
From: jerryg@jaiser.uucp (Jerry Gaiser)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Growing back fur
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:30:22 GMT
Organization: Jerry's Attic - Gaston, OR

arkoff@sun.lclark.edu (Gary Arkoff) writes:

> I adopted Znoober for the Humane Society in June of this year.  When I got
> her, the people at the Humane Society did not know if she was spayed or not
> so they shaved her belly (and part of her legs, they were not real accurate).
> 
> Anyways, it has been a little over four months and the fur has not fully 
> grown back.  It is still noticeably shorter.  How long should it take until
> it is fully grown back?  Also, because Znoober is a female cat, will her
> fur always be short/missing on parts of her belly?
> 

Well, my boy Ben was operated on in late April/early May. He'd been in a
car accident that damaged both hip joints. He was basically shaved from 
the middle of the back down. There is still a noticable difference in fur 
length, so I suspect it's going to be a while before you don't notice any 
difference.


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From: rhart@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Neutering question
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:31:51 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

Is is normal for the vet to keep the cat overnight after
neuter surgery? This is a male cat. I don't remember this
being the practice last time I had a boy cat (years ago).

I don't think they even kept my girls overnight, come to think of it.

Net wisdom?
From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Confused about worms...
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:21:09 GMT
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch

In article <athos-181192092852@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:

>We took our kitty in to get the "worm shot" about a month ago.  Today I
>looked at his bottom and indeed there were those small little worms there.
>
>Where do these stupid things come from?? What should I be doing
>differently?

	It sounds (from your description) like these are tapeworms.  You 
	need to know that a wide variety of "prey" animals, such as birds,
	carry tapeworms, so if your cat is an outdoor cat and hunts, he
	could be easily reinfected with his next self-caught meal.

	Fleas also carry one of the forms of the parasite, so if you have a
	flea problem, reinfestation is likely even if your cat is an indoor
	cat.  Well, OK, if your CAT has a flea problem, that is.  :*)

	Of course, the other possibilities include failure of the shot to
	eradicate the parasites completely, or reinfestation from another
	cat during mutual grooming.

	Take another stool sample for analysis and try to eliminate any
	possible sources of reinfestation before you take him in for his
	next treatment.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: Sleeping (was: Re: how to tell cat they are a cat not human)
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:14:02 GMT


Slash has his own pillow.  The things I do for my cat....

Mary and Slash

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From: dgordon@gssec.bt.co.uk (David Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Raw Pork & Bacon
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:47:11 GMT
Organization: BT

Hello Feline Folk.

I've been reading the postings on raw pork with interest. Can anyone
make a definitive statement on whether raw bacon is also a major no-no ?

Does the curing process mean that this 'orrible little parasite thingy
is wiped out or is it a bit tougher than that ?


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From: mverman@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: FUR MICE
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:47:42 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <ronnie.5@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com>, ronnie@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ronnie Findley) writes:
> *BUT*, IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHEN MOST OF US ARE SO AGAINST KILLING ANIMALS 
> FOR THEIR FUR, WHY ARE SOME OF US STILL BUYING REAL FUR TOYS FOR OUR 
> KITTIES?  I KNOW I WON'T, AND I HAVE MADE MY FEELINGS CLEAR TO MY VET AND 
> ANY PET/FEED STORE I FREQUENT.  YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING MONEY INTO THE POCKETS 
> OF THE FUR INDUSTRY, AN INDUSTRY THAT'S DWINDLING MORE AND MORE THANKS TO 
> PUBLIC AWARENESS.  HOWEVER, I'VE RECENTLY READ THAT CUTESY REAL FUR TOYS FOR 
> ANIMALS AND CHILDREN ARE FLOODING THE MARKET SINCE HUMANS AREN'T, FOR ONE 
> REASON OR ANOTHER, BUYING FUR STOLES, COATS, ETC.  THINK ABOUT IT -- AND BUY 
> ONE OF THE MANY ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE.  
> 
> RONNIE:  O


Good point.  If a fur mousie is needed, and the kitties do enjoy them so, a fur
collar from the thrift shop (most have such nominal prices) provides enough fur 
for a houseful of mousies.  One old discarded fur coat will provide a lifetime
of fur mousies.  

Reduce, reuse, recycle, and let contemporary furred creatures keep their own
pelts.

... Shu


> 
> 
> 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg)
Subject: Re: Cat Fight Over Socks, Clintons' Pet
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:30:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.195358.14716@zmax.com> mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp) writes:
>
>>So, cat lovers, what would be an adequate retribution for those pest
>>photographers???  >:)
>
>I think Socks would probably have the best form of retribution...Use their
>calves for a scratching post?  ...

Hardly.  According to a newscast I heard, Socks is declawed.

No wonder Socks is a bit wary of strangers.

I shall leave discussion on the appropriateness of
declawing an "outside" cat to others.

-- 
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Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: rec.pets.cats
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:44:16 GMT
Followup-To: Re: Names
Summary: cat nicknames
Keywords: cats, nicknames, several


Both my babies have several names

Vera: Vera Charles, Vera-Ellen, Inky-doodles, Kitters, Old Grouch

Sting: Stinker, Stinkeroo, Spanish Bar Cat (after Spanish Bar Cake, a
very sweet confection), Loaf-of-Bread, Mama's Little Sugar Pie

I can't believe I'm actually *telling* anyone this stuff! Even my SO
doesn't know some of these names.

Deborah




Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Re: Welcome to the First Cat (Socks)
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:35:47 GMT

In article <lgnom5INNd57@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> avi@rix.Corp.Sun.COM (Ann  
Adamcik) writes:
|
|I think it was yesterday's San Jose paper that had a great picture of
|Socks.  The caption said that he was playing with a neighbor cat on
|the front lawn.  The neighbor cat was a big orange tabby who's jaws
|were firmly clamped around Socks' throat.  
|
|Socks may be the First Cat of the country soon, but he's not top cat
|in that neighboorhood!
|
|-Ann

So where was the Secret Service!!!!!

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* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: cherokee@gators.b30.ingr.com (Lori Ludick)
Subject: Re: Psycho Cat
Reply-To: cherokee@gators.b30.ingr.com.
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.213937.1778@lclark.edu>, larryw@sun.lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl) writes:
|> 
|> Here's another question.  What's going on when my cat stops in her tracks,
|> gets that Anthony Perkins look in her eyes, then darts around the apartment
|> at top speeds, comes to a complete halt, then starts up again?  She behaves
|> as though she is chasing (or being stalked by) some invisible creature.
|> Is this just temporary hyper-active-kitty-neurosis or what?
|> 
|> - Lawrence
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> _____
|> larryw@lclark.edu | *L.Westdahl is a caring nurturer, a member of several
|> writer, musician  | twelve step programs, but not a licensed therapist.


	My cat is about 5 yrs old and he still does that.
	But my cat Joey has always been a little strange.
	When he is snuggled up in your lap relaxing with you
	watching tv he will perk up and look around the corner 
	and get that freaked look in his eyes and take off
	like jason is coming up behind me or something.
	He has also been known to play practical jokes...
	like jumping through the shower curtain at me like a scene 
	from psycho, and in the middle of the night to rattle the
	doorknob like someone trying to break in, hide and when I come
	out to check it out he is usually perched up high somewhere
	and jumps out at me.


	He always adds a little excitment in my life.
	So I wouldn't worry about it, unless as a friend of mine put it
	your cat can really see something you can't.   :)




	------------Lori  Ludick------------- 
	   cherokee@gators.b30.ingr.com 
	-------------------------------------
At this point, dear reader, let me concede one shocking truth.  Some young
women actually anticipate the wedding night with curiousity and pleasure!
Beware such an attitude!  A selfish and sensual husband can easily take
advantage of such a bride.  One cardinal rule of marriage should never be
forgotten:  GIVE LITTLE, GIVE SELDOM, AND ABOVE ALL, GIVE GRUDGINGLY.
Otherwise, what could have been a proper marriage could become an orgy of
sexual lust.

-From  Instruction and Advice for the Young Bride 1894
From: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: The cats next door
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:02:40 GMT
Reply-To: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Organization: m4


We have next door neighbors who own two cats.  They never let these
cats inside their house and ever since they had a baby I don't think
they get a lot of attention.  We started having a problem with one
of the cats, Spanky, coming into our house.  We had cats doors so
that our Tara could come and go without us having to constantly open
and close doors for her.  Tara and Spanky seem to be pretty accepting
of each other outside and so Spanky started to hang out in our yard,
which lead to coming into the house through the cat doors.

Tara is a really picky eater and there is always uneaten food that
she nibbles at.  Spanky would come in and devour all the food in site.
We even woke up one morning to the sound of Spanky scratching our
furniture!

We've since installed one of those magnetic cat doors.  This keeps
Spanky out (except for once in a while when it doesn't latch properly).
We then started to allow Spanky to come in on supervised visits.  We
even would let him have a little food in a separate dish (I know, this
was probably not a good idea).  The problem is that now Spanky (and now
his brother too) seem to hang out all the time on our deck hoping that
they can get let in.  Every time I go near that door I see Spanky
out there looking pathetic, his little paw raised up, making little
plaintive chirping noises!  It's obvious that they're getting lots
more attention with our "less-than-once-a-day" visits than they do
at their own house.  I feel sorry for them, but I don't want to "steal"
their cats away and Tara is not very happy when Spanky is in the house.

I don't really think there is much I can do, but this is such a strange
situation I thought I'd share it with you all.  Sorry for such a long
semi-rambling post!

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   Paul Stevens                        {apple|decwrl}!metaphor!pstevens
   Metaphor Computer Systems           pstevens@metaphor.com
   Mountain View, CA
From: bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Bye to MaiTai
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:51:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: wc.bette.721864317
Reply-To: bette@wc.novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.

About a month ago I learned that my kitty had a form of cancer known
as lymph-sarcoma in her lungs and intestine. I want to thank all the
net folks who replied to my query about the disease and treatments.
I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to you personally.

Two weeks ago MaiTai began chemotherapy. It seemed to help almost
immeadiately. She seemed livelier than she had been in weeks. Unfortunately,
the drugs worked as quickly to destroy her immune system as they
did the cancer. She got very sick last Saturday morning and despite
truley heroic measures on the vet's part, MaiTai died early Monday morning.

MaiTai's been in my life for 14 years. All of my adult life. As a homesick
college student at home on summer break my mother decided that I needed
a pet to take care of me while I was away from home. One day, instead of
going shopping as we planned, Mom turned off the main road and drove us
to the local animal shelter. She stopped the car out front and said "Get
yourself a cat."  Well, I walked into the shelter intending to get a
gray tabby since that was what my recently deceased childhood cat was.
Entering the feline area, the cats in the cages were going about cat
business without paying much attention to us humans. Except for this scrawny
white cat in the back of one of the cages. Seeing us enter, this kitty
ran to the front of the cage, stood up on her back legs, front claws on
the screen and started meowing for all she was worth.  When I peered
around her to take a closer look at a tabby, she went back and sat on
that other cat's head and looked straight at me. I knew I was beat. I didn't
fall in love with her or anything, I just took her on merit. At least
that was my interpretation at the time. I now realize that I was being
adopted. (Needless to say, love followed.)

I know the grief will subside and eventually there'll be new kitties in
my life. (although I wouln't fall in love with them or anything :-)
I keep finding holes in my life where she used to be. I got up from
the dinner table the other nite to answer the phone...when I got back
my food was still there. I wake up in the morning in the middle of
the bed, not pushed over into a corner. And there's noone trying to
sneak out under my feet when I open the door. It just goes on like that.

Anyway, thanks for letting me unload. Also, it would make me feel better
if I thought that all the kitties out there got the extra hugs tonight
that I wish I could give to MaiTai.

Thanks,
Bette
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bette@novell.com
From: John.Seboldt@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (John Seboldt)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: retorical question
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:52:06 -0600

On 11-12-92, Chris Barnes wrote to (crosspost 1) All:

>------------------------------------
Is doggy Heaven kitty Hell ?
 
>------------------------------------

Is *dog* the opposite for *cat* ?  (I thought so in sixth grade!)




 * Freddie 1.2 * "Mao."  "Mousie Dong". -- B. Kliban

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: Other Monsters...
Keywords: heater
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:55:38 GMT


For those of us who live in apartments... Its the Noisy Monster Behind The
Dreaded Door That Takes Mommy Away Every Morning.

To us it is people passing by the door making a lot of noise.

Slash sits in front of the door just waiting for it to open so that he can
attack or cry loudly at whomever is out there.  I've heard him crying from 
inside my apartment from downstairs in the lobby!!!  At least he's vigilant
if not slightly disturbed...

Mary and Slash

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: eulogy/poem requested
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:42:29 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <83909@ut-emx.uucp> star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett) writes:
>
>My kitty companion of twelve years, named Moon-Pie, died a week ago.
>I would appreciate any nice poems, etc. that you might have that
>would be appropriate to include on a notice informing her many 
>human friends about her death.
>
Check out the Star Trek forum or see if someone will post Data's "Ode to
Spot" for you (I can't without typing the whole thing in from scratch).  The
poem is a little silly at times, but its also kinda touching.


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