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From: anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org (anwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Libertarians, guns, etc. 
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:31:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Horned Owl BBS


In article <1avc08INNsg6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu writes:

  > 
  > 
  > Oh, I don't know. I was rather having fun watching Corun poke holes in
  > every square inch of Anwyn's argument. I never belonged to a debate club,
  > but I was going by the rules of an extemporaneous speaking Forensics contest,
  > and Corun was definitely way out in front.
He has poked no holes in my argument. He has only made emotional appeals
and ridiculed deliberately misunderstood straw-man versions of my argument.
He has presented absolutely no arguments or facts to support his position.

  > 
  > Still, you're right. It only lasts so long, and then it gets annoying.

The reason it is annoying is exactly the same reason that the
unexperienced Christian is annoyed on encountering the atheist
position for the first time. The Christian has been conditioned to
regulate certain aspects of his life because of emotional appeals that
use the words "god", "Jesus Christ" and others. He has been
conditioned not to think about these words in a dispassionate truth
seeking way. When the existence of the entities behind these words is
challenged the Christian finds that he has no argument, but his
previous conditioning will not allow him to genuinely consider their
non-existence. This creates a profound sense of unease.

Similarly, almost every one in North America has had there behaviour
and thoughts manipulated though emotional appeals that use the words
"society", "government", ect. People have not been conditioned to
think about these words in a dispassionate truth seeking way. When
their existence is challenged, it creates the same unease.
  > -- 
  > Jessica McGeary
  > jmm25@po.cwru.edu
  > Case Western Reserve University
  > Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
  > 
anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org	(Sysop horned Owl BBS)
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:58:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I was going to reply via e-mail, but I hit the wrong key.  Oh well...

In a previous article, PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor) says:
>
>Well, I'm an INFP (Introvert/Intutitive/Feeling/Perceptive).  I just love
>giving my friends this test.  The interesting thing that I've found is that
>everyone in my group of nearest and dearest is Intutitive.  Do we have any
>Sensing types involved with alt.pagan?

What's Sensing?  8-)

I am also an INFP.   INFPs account for approximately 2% of the population.
Kiersey and Bates calls us the Apolloian temperament--Apollo was sent by Zeus
to give spirit to the humans (or something like that).  What I find rather 
interesting is that my iNtuition is at maximun (i.e., zero sensing).  

So, Nancy and I are INFP, are there any others.  It would be interesting to
find out how many INFPs are male and how many are female.

*Paul

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Libertarians, guns, etc. 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:52:13 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

I just skimmed the article referred to above. Corum, I think we ought to
let this idiot thread with Anwyn die. He (apparently) literally can't see
the forest for the trees, so he denies there is such a thing as a forest
(note carefully thought out analogy here). He would not concede that
the definition you put in from the dictionary is acceptable, which makes
much of his argument a semantic game. He (I am assuming, from contextual
clues, that Anwyn is a "he") refuses to accept the idea that society is
the *organization* of his beloved "individuals", and so, acting in concert,
can be seen as (as lawyers have it) an "artificial person". I wonder if
he sees disease as individual nasty cells, or an operating system as a
bunch of programs, operating in isolation from each other. I think that
both of us have tried to suggest it's time for a reality check, but he's
as out on his limb as some newagers I know. *sigh* I've got better threads
to argue, than waste time on a pointless argument that no one else seems
to be interested in, with someone who will accept no counter argument as
valid (my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts!). 

Btw, this is being posted, rather than emailed, because a) I want him to
see it, and b) see if *any* one else cares about/is fed up with this thread.

	mark
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: An amusing, but true story
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:10:06 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Oct8.212015.4845@pellns.alleg.edu> acarr@coch2.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr) writes:
>In our section of the woods we're incredulous about this story.
>We believe the stuff about the Crystal Friends, but where in the world can  
>you get rock candy these days?  In big pieces?  

	I live near a boardwalk which has kiddie rides, video arcades etc and
two candy shops.  Both of these, I believe, sell rock candy.  About the big
pieces I'm not sure, and I think most of it has te string it was grown on
still in it.  There was a candy shop in Orleans, MA that had rock candy,
BIG pieces, but with string.

>And how could you chew it  
>without hurting your teeth?
	
	With your molars.  It's just sugar cyrstals, so if you chomp 'em 
with your back teeth it shouldn't hurt TOO bad.  In fact, for the reaction
that action got, I'd say it would be worth it!

|o|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|o|
|o| Of Course I speak  |      michael carson       | Carpe Diem, Man.        |o|
|o|  only for myself.  | c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu | Carpe Vitam, too.       |o|
|o| Would YOU let me   +---------------------------+-------------------------|o|
|o|  speak for you?!?  |      All flames to: nobody@moncol.monmouth.edu      |o|
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: osiris@crash.cts.com (James Lanaghan)
Subject: Re: party at Philcon
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 16 Oct 92 06:11:23 GMT

In <1992Oct15.162615.10753@radian.uucp> markbr@radian.uucp (markbr) writes:

>o.k., one and all. I'm going to make it back to Philly for Philcon 
>(second weekend in November). I'm planning on having a party, tenetively
>on Friday night. come one, come all.

Too bad I'm not going to be in Philly until Dec.  But I hope the party does
well...

Blessed be...
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 23:51:08 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <49mksB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us writes:

 > Very true, very true-- but this is one of those obviously wise things 
 > that is not always so easy to accomplish-- much distance between the 
 > ideal and the real.
 >  
 > Maybe things are different in oz. Here there is much misunderstanding and 
 > distance between the elderly and the young, and the gap is growing.
 >  
 > And we 'pagans' have no elders, or few, and the communities are streched 
 > out, fragmented. 

Please do not take offence, all you very nice people over there, but I
am very glad I am over here.

 > Yes, yes, we both know this is all just as it should be, all is just 
 > fine, just more steps along the path. All of it is just the path, 
 > including my talking about "lowest common denominators", and pushing at 
 > questions of rigor.

No, I definitely do not think it is all as it should be; most of it is
absolutely dreadful. It is not kharma, it is a bunch of real arseholes
out to give other people the hardest possible time.

Bill, dear friend, I simply prefer not to get too rigorous about it here
in alt.pagan.

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:40:17 GMT

In article <-1366840449snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>In article <1beonsINNkrh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
>
> > >Go as a Pict.  Blue grease paint put on your body in swirls and
> > >animal patterns and nothing else :)
>
>You can always grow *woad* yourself as a herb, and extract the genuine
>dye used by the Picts.

There's only one problem with this.  From what I understand, woad is not
meant to come off.  It would make a neat costume (if a bit chilly) but
the guy'd better like it, because he's going to be wearing it for a
really long time.

Blessings,
Janis
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: sinead oconnor... verrrrryyy interesting
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 10:04:47 -0400 
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Everyone knows the real enemy is the Bavarian Illuminati.
>
>Ollie/Lucifuge...

NO! The Trekkers are in control!

:)

Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Back files of pagan publications
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:26:13 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

usr77@pil.UUCP writes:

> You might also consider shoving the pagan publications through an OCR scanner
> saving text as text and images (e.g. drawings, etc.) as images where
> necessary and storing the output on anything from mag tape to cartridges

That's a good idea, Mr. Lizard.

I have a private archive of several thousand zines from the seventies and 
eighties, and am about to buy a scanner. I'll do some experimentation, 
and so what I can come up with as far as space requirements, compression, 
speed of the process, etc....

Certainly the e-format solves a lot of the distribution and 
ease-of-access problems. Of course, fiche is pretty cheap, and a hand 
fiche viewer is also pretty cheap... a fiche can be mailed with little 
trouble... Well, maybe a combination of the two--- e-format with text 
only, perhaps a cover .gif, with free or nearly free distribution, and a 
fee-based microfiche system for those who want to view the 'funkiness' of 
the original zine.

Later, Bill
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:07:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tperreau@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (The Mad Scot) says:
>In article <1992Oct13.030332.20750@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
>>
>>I've been invited to a Halloween party, and have found out that it is to be
>>a costume party.
>
>Go as a Pict.  Blue grease paint put on your body in swirls and
>animal patterns and nothing else :)

I like it.  BTW, what is a Pict?

*Paul
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fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
From: wells@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wells)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:50:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Birth Date and Announcement!
Organization: Zanzor of the CLOUDS
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

In alt.pagan, lance@circle.FC.HP.COM writes:

> Well, as everyone is giving their birthdates, here are two more:
> 
> Me, Lance Brown
>     born October 3, 1996 @ 12:15 PM in Minneapolis, MN
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WoW!  I have heard of divination but this is 
really pushing it!					;-)
 
>     born October 8, 1992 @ 4:45 PM in Raleigh, NC

Oh, yes.... congratulations!  

				Z
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: A Novice Asks...
Keywords: Paganism
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:34:44 GMT

In article <BvMLqA.5wF@access.digex.com>, corun@access.digex.com (Corun 
MacAnndra) writes:
>  Anyone know if Green Egg has
> passed on?

  Last I looked, it was _very_ alive, and publishing regularly.

  There were several years where it was dead, dead, dead, but
it seems to have gotten better.

  It is, if I'm not mistaken (and I often am), the banner newsletter
for the Church of All Worlds, that Martian church from California
(heh, heh ... sorry, guys, I couldn't resist).

  I've got a lot of friends who are members, and the Martians
published one of my invocations on a tape that they produced
(with credit -- yowsers, mama -- I'm published!), so I've got
a warm spot in my heart for them.

  But I still giggle when I remember an "I am INDUSTRY" ritual they
put on as a community effort.  Ritual by committee at it's
most extravagant, and a good justification for requiring driver's
liscenses for public ritual, IMHO.

  I've been to other Martian rituals, however, that left me
drained and charged and dancing and fired-up and writhing in
religious >ahem<, uhm, >cough<, it, uh, was a well done ritual.

  So, I'd say that there's probably a nest of Martians within
a couple of hundred miles of you, and it might be worth your
while to check 'em out.  Each nest seems to have its own
flavor and focus, and you might luck out and find a group doing
stuff you like.

  There's also "alt.religion.all-worlds", which I suppose must
be a Martian meeting place.  Best to talk to the horse's mouth,
and all that ...

  Good hunting, Ciaran.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jill@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Jill Hollifield)
Subject: Astrology
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:27:40 GMT

I now have my astrological information charted (thanks Lynda), and have
no idea what all of this stuff *means*!

Any suggestions for books that will help me interpret it?

Thanks muchly

Jill
From: davidk@bcsaic.boeing.com (Dave Kerlick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Radical Faeries was Trad and Non-Trad in Seattle
Summary: Pointers
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:42:02 GMT
Organization: None

>>In article <10475@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> erik@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>>
>>>Does anyone know anything about the "radical faeries"? Someone told me
>>>yesterday it's a group of gay pagans or something. 

Gay male pagans, generally, though some gatherings have included wimmin.  There
is sometimes an intention to embody "men's mysteries" at gatherings.

The Radical Faeries got that name when Harry Hay (founder
of the Mattachine Society , the first gay lib org in the country 1950) and
others called for a "spiritual conference of radical faeries" in 1979.
Some of the early stuff appears in "The Trouble with HArry Hay"
by Stuart Timmons [Alyson].  

Since 1979 there have been numerous gatherings, and there are two
sanctuaries (one in Tennessee, one in Oregon).  The magazine "RFD"
[$18 a year from RFD, PO Box 68 Liberty TN 37095] quarterly has a lot
of faerie stuff.  RFD is sometimes available at larger gay bookstores.

Three are faerie events tapes in West Coast cities, one in Seattle at
(206)-783-2011, in SF at (415)-626-3369, other cities listed in RFD.

I guess I would describe paganism among the faeries as sort of low-key:
ritual if at all is improvised, usually on the day of, by those who are
into it.  "Everything is optional"

david Kerlick a/k/a Marvelous Persimmon






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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin)
Subject: woadjokes
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:07:43 GMT

got this from a friend in kent:

"on the woad again, just can't wait to put on the woad again; my diff'rent
lifestyle's playin' havoc with my friends, and i can't wait to put on the woad
again."

snicker.
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ultra-Violet Bluesman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: sinead oconnor... verrrrryyy interesting
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:17:34 GMT
Organization: UB

brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda) writes:


>i heard that sinead (shiny head, some call her  *hee hee*)  was on sat. night
>live a bit ago... i dont know if it was a rerun or whatever...
>but she aparently sang a song (dont know what it was... sorry)
>and then ripped up a picture of the pope, and said that it was time to fight
>the *real* enemy... 

Actually...I heard something about a picture of Father Guido Sarducci...
Perhaps both?  Kind of funny eh?  And all of this just before the rapture
*sigh* :)

  -Padriag

______________________________________________________________________________
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SUNY at Buffalo				  |  V077PW3W@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
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 one day she'll be her own."  Tori Amos   |Be afraid!  Be VERY afraid!!!
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: "The Dark Bird"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:53:37 GMT

This is the poem written by the High Priestess I work with that I promised to
post.  I would love to hear reactions.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark




Men ever begin screaming
while she enters:
coming to play (blackness murmuring
forgetful lasciviousness). Harpy
as they see her (smother-lover-offer-
harmony) herself doesn't know
subtlety.  She lurks in all women,
smtimes never permitted breath.

Wing whirring, she whispers discontent,
slow-burning insipid conscience
stomach-sick mocking
the fruitful period.
Murks the mind
with insatiable hunger.
Smday, she purrs, she will possess
a few shards of their lives.

The woman stretch, fidget, jog,
or meditate, but what is secure
deep inside, impossible to dislodge.
Some even resort to girlishness,
remembering when inside
wasn't insistent.
Soon hir languor will claim
them smhow.

And then she will reign,
however brief her shard,
supremely growling her freedom
as bizarre music.  Artistically,
whether she is muse or siren
is uncertain.  The root of
madness and genuis, smwhere
she'll raise major hell.

Hysteria is her forte:
be it in a man's heart,
unleashed at department store clerks,
or private tears.  Furry beast
that she is, she'd rather rub
the man.  But not having her druthers,
she'll slur herself
into th situation smway.

A woman who roams with her
rather than against her
finds dark pleasure
in this unity.  Her spirit
is perhaps more free.
Nature or nurture is not
relevant.  Frustrated critics
envy this ravishing smbody.

Let the Dark Bird fly,
Woman: fanciful with her, yr
expressions have strength. 
Man: power you crave is yrs
when you fear her no more.
Repressed, she's pure danger.
She doesn't need permission;
she'll shatter yr life too smtime.
			--Dana Gass (Kamala), 1986
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe)
Subject: Halloween
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:03:32 GMT

Help!

I've been invited to a Halloween party, and have found out that it is to be
a costume party.

I need suggestions for a costume.  Help!

Thanks,

TopCat
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: liam at the alehaus
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:05:11 GMT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor) writes:

> Dear Liam,
> I've been trying to reach you too! Every note keeps bouncing and saying
> that your address doesn't exits.
> Anyway, I wanted to thank you for your helpfulness concerning my earlier post
> on binding.  Do you have a different address where you can be reached?
> Blessings,
>    Nancy
> ///////////////////////////////
> Nancy Josephine Proctor . . . . PA142138@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU
> 
> "It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question."
>                                  Eugene Ionesco
> 
> ////////////////////////////// . . .
> 

Hi! This is his smarthost... What address were you using and maybe
I can correct the problem?

--------------------
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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:06:48 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

simcock@waikato.ac.nz writes:

> 		Whats all this lowest common denominator stuff.
> 	In my wide experience, (ok so I'm only 20) garbage comes from
> 	trying to build a standard for something.


Cool. If it don't ring your bell, pass it by. If it irritates you, give 
it a whack. I'm sure not gonna stop you.

Later, Bill
From: scotts@meltdown.chi.il.us (Scott Szakonyi)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Youthful experiences
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:40:38 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

I would concur ... I suspect we may eventually realized that fascination with
the paranormal or occult is a normal response to stresses which one cannot
respond to physically.  Humans are amazingly adaptive; it would not suprise me
to find that occult skill is an adaptation for survival which is triggered by a
traumatic childhood.  I am quite sure it is so in my case.

Freya's blessings, Hawkmoon
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:14:48 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <-1367633171snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>Also the dragon.
>
>Gil
>
Oh? What would you like to know about me?

	mark, the Silverdragon

	(B-)}
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: ok, my birth data...
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:43:21 GMT


9/18/54, Wayne MI, time unknown (mom gave me a different time whenever I
asked :) )

Bright Blessings
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