From: by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: 'Sipa*'s Revenge (kinda long (what's new))
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:37:36 GMT


Ahmet Cosar writes:
> >Generalizations based on race or religion have long been a staple of the
> >'Mutlu'/'Cosar' posting house. 
> 
> I hope your little heart was not broken since I preferred not to reply
> your pathetic e-mails, 'Sipa*.'

Did you at least forward my 'pathetic emails' to their intended
destination (Happyface B-) Meatloaf)? Kinda hard to send him email
directly. Seems I have to go thru his net.secretary / assistant.
Those Bureauctratic Networks, Darn!

And you still have not addressed my point. Have Generalizations based
on race or religion have long been a staple of the 'Mutlu'/'Cosar'
posting house or not? Do you need proof? Do terms like 'Moronian',
'Greasy Pallikarya', or 'Fino Culture' imply otherwise?

> Anyway, please keep your mudslinging practice to yourself, we have enough
> of your kind in 'virranski' forms!

Did you now get a promotion in the 'Mutlu'/'Cosar' posting house and are
allowed to put quotes around people's names. You didn't write 'Zap*'
just a few days ago, did you? WOW! For those of you who are unfamiliar
with the ranks there, here are the official RANKS and KEY JOB ELEMENTS
of the 'Mutlu'/'Cosar' organization. According to these, Ahmet is now an
'Associate Poster'. 

RANK			KEY JOB ELEMENTS
----------------------  -------------------------------------------------
Senior Poster		- gets to write whole paragraphs at a time
                          (also does 'library' research). Posts using
                          own name, own machine. Thinks for himself (and
                          others), speaks for himself, posts for himself.
                          Has Landmark Cute Signature. Signs for UPS
                          deliveries. Gets his picture posted in FTP sites.
                          Can post original and followup articles on
                          both historical, personal, and technical issues. 
                          Consults with 'Turkiye Consulati'. 
    
Poster			- gets to write Kute-Kuotes. Ocassionally writes
                          paragraphs after approval / editing. Posts using
                          own name, own machine. Thinks for himself,
                          speaks for himself, often posts for himself.
                          Does most of the 'library' research required. 
                          Has Simple But Cute Signature. Can post both
                          original articles and follow-ups related to 
                          historical facts (Armenia, Russia). Chief 
                          literary manipulator. Operates text editor and
                          ellipsis generator ('....'). 

Associate Poster	- Gets to write sentences but never Kute-Kuotes.
                          Can not use insults/epithets unless they have been
                          used by senior staff. Uses 'quotes' around peoples'
                          names. Still polite enough to use 'please'. Lacks
                          cute .sig, uses generic .sig. Thinks for himself,
                          speaks for himself. Can not post in volumes.
                          Can not use central machine, must use different one.
                          Highly skilled in anonymous FTP commands and email.
                          Can receive personal e-mail but can not reply.
                          Can not post original news articles, only followups.
			  Writes protest messages to news/net sysadmins.

Assistant Poster	- Gets to put together selections of quoted
                          works (i.e. Prof. Shaw, Dro, Men are Like That).
                          Identifies paragraphs suitable for quoting.
                          Does not appear to exist in the organization.
                          Does not have personal e-mail access. Reads
                          only the groups / articles in which the action is
                          via INVERTED KILL files (i.e. HBM related only).
                          Often disappears from the net for months at a time.
                          Sets up apparatus required for imaginary hosts,
                          paths, sites, and such. 

Poster-In-Training	- Spends entire day reading / scanning *all* news
                          groups  for key phrases that can justify 
                          originating news (hint: post a sample source
                          code in comp.lang.fortran and write somewhere:
                          turk(1918) = turk(1918) - 2.5E06 and see results).
                          Highly skilled in grep, awk, perl, snobol, c5.

Scribe			- Operates the scanner, reboots anadolu 5 times
                          daily, pays bills. Gets to read only outgoing news.
                          Backs up anadolu. Answers phone. Returns books
                          to the library. Borrows books from Library.

Summer Trainee		- Dusts anadolu, changes printer paper, makes
                          'Turkish' coffee. Does not know what news or email
                          is. Cooks, cleans, cuts grass. After 3-6 months
                          returns to motherland with lots of shopping bags.

As for mudslinging, I was not the one manipulating the ftp stuff at 
temple, nor was I the one posting the fake messages from 'watson.com'. 
Please do not forget all my 'usual' sites have no Internet or Usenet
access of  their own (hint, hint). I still receive scg thru e-mail :-(. 

Just as a side issue. People have been keeping statistics about the
daily number of posts originating from Hasan. We saw a lot of them
coming from anadolu.michigan.com back a few months ago. Then the flood
of Chicago happened, and right around that time anadolu went off the
air, and hbm@ddsw1.mcs.com appeared. He then proceeded to come up to
speed pretty quickly. Then something (I don't know what) happened and he
switched to a digest form for a week or so going from 10-12 messages a
day to maybe two or three. (Hey folks, remember these? were they
hilarious or what?). Then anadolu was magically re-incarnated, with
posting volumes back to previous levels. 

A few weeks ago, we noticed a few things: first, a whole bunch of
articles originating from anadolu were also posted from berkeley thru
their anonymous (for those who think it is at least) mail to news
posting gateway. A few messages were double and one or two even triple
posted. Even to a non-sophisticated net reader the difference was
obvious, as the headers were different. 

The duplicate posts disappeared, and all of a sudden Hasan (or whoever)
accelerated the number, 'quality', and number of posts a day. I said
before I have no direct access to Usenet's non tech groups but I kept
watch thru various means). We saw the posts go from 10-12 a day to 20-30
a day on occasion. By now all his postings came thru berkeley. We also
noticed that a fresh collection of Kute Kuotes (TM) was being  generated
(available upon request). I kinda suspected multiple people writing
articles as from the Kute Kuotes alone I could see different patterns of
writing (easy to see/spot if one's used to it). 

Then Zaphiris (among others) put two and two together...

Do I suspect you and Mutlu posted articles under a single name? Or that
you posted articles using  his name for 'logistic' (read: so that
michigan.com / whoever would not get upset? I don't know and I don't
personally care. The end result is what is important and this is why I
am so opposed to the practice (net.flooding). 

Another interesting thing to notice was that Hasan took the bait several
times. Bait being being provoked for even the most dumb reason (much of
the stuff he posted in the last few weeks was answers to dumb
provocations including MANY of MINE (I have no problem admitting doing
DUMB things once in a while). One of the most classy ones was getting
him to post (or cross post) in soc.culture.jewish. He ate the bait,
line, reel, and rod.  Then he was probably booed there also, and
surprisingly switched to a few token cross posts (one or two a day) to
that group.

Any questions?

>    A.Cosar                                                                    
> --
> Disc space -- the final frontier!                             
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Disclaimer: I speak for myself<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Do you also POST for yourself? 

PS: and please do me a favor and complain to the right system
administrator if you plan to complain about this message... Which, of
course, is lame, harmless, peaceful, serene, nefarious, <adjective
list>... I hope 'Sipa*' is PG-13 or G for all the net.children. 

PS: PS: If you can provide the same entertainment to the net as HBM,
please, by all means, continue to do so. If not, please let the pros
do it. They're so good at it. 

Spiros
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       by403@freenet.cleveland.edu
OUZO POWER                                      (Not really in Cleveland)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish