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From: brian@audiofax.com (Brian Troxell)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: fax back from DTMF system?
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:39:31 GMT
Organization: AudioFAX, Inc., Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Nov4.155334.28553@spdcc.com> eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias) writes:
>
>you might want to check on whose fax hardware is being used.
>if it ain't brooktrout, the faxback system probably ain't licensed.  
>vendors in an acronym called FRIA are probably not licensed, especially.

Baloney. Licensed by whom? What the devil are you talking about?

To keep this from being a partisan advertisement, I'd just like to throw
in our phone numbers so you don't think Brooktrout is the only option.

AudioFAX, Inc.
Phone: 404 933 7600
Demo:  404 618 4555


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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks)
Subject: FAX Switch, Answering machines, and Toll-Saver
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:56:48 GMT

I have just purchased a fax and don't really want to add a dedicated line for
it, so I'm in need of a fax switch.  But here is the problem:

I have an answering machine that I use a lot.  I especially use the toll-saver
feature of the machine (if it rings only once before answering the line, then
I have a message that needs to be retrieved.  If it rings more than once, I can
hang up because there are no messages to retrieve [saves on long distances
charges when retrieving messages]).  I assume that most FAX Switches 'answer'
the phone call and monitor for some tone - if found, ring the fax machine, if
no tone, ring other phones.  This would render my toll-saver useless.

My question is this: Is there a device that will 'monitor' (not answer) the 
line waiting for the proper tones.  My answering machine will answer the line
as it always has in the past.  If the tones are detected, the device will
disconnect my answering machine, and (connect to and) RING the fax.  (I am 
aware of some of the problems with fax switches and some fax machines, but I 
can only assume that a calling fax will generate the proper tones). 
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From: gottloeb@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (Jeffery R. Gottloeb)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: Netfax-3.2.1 and ZyXEL : +FHNG:40, what is wrong?
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:44:27 GMT
Organization: TRW Space & Defense

In article <1992Nov5.080827.14292@tamsun.tamu.edu>, utama@ee.tamu.edu (Peter Utama) writes:
|> 
|> Hi all,
|> 
|> Thanks to Chris Arnold(d8arnch@dtek.chalmers.se), I have succesfully 
|> (at some degree) sent my first fax page using Netfax-3.2.1 and ZyXEL 1496E.
|> 
|> The program sent the first page, but it received +FHNG:40 at the end of the
|> page, so it assumed an error had happened and concluded that the sending failed.
|> But the other side received the first page nicely.
|> 
|> I understand that some have encounter similar problem. Does anyone have any clue
|> of what the problem is?
|> 
|> I include my log file of what's going on:
|> 

Supra's document describing their Class 2 implementation (based on
Rockwell chipset) defines FHNG:40 to be "Unspecified Transmit Phase C
error".

Hope that helps.

Jeff Gottloeb
gottloeb@gumby.dsd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: cmlow@iti.gov.sg (Low Chee Meng (KSL))
Subject: Help: PC-FAX to multiple destinations
Keywords: fax, pc
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:23:07 GMT

Hi,

Not sure whether this is the right newsgroup for such questions, but this
is the only one with "fax" in its name, so here goes:

I'm looking for a PC-FAX package (hardware + software) that would allow
me to fax a message (text + graphics) via a 386 or 486-PC to multiple
(perhaps a few dozens) destinations. The list of destinations (ie. fax
numbers) is to be tapped from some database (third-party like Dbase or
provided by the fax software itself).

Essentially, I would like to be able to select different sets of destination
fax numbers to mail different messages to  (rather than indiscriminating
sending every message to every number on my fax list). Are there
existing products that let me do this?

Also, how long will it take to, say, fax one page to 100 destinations?
Would I need more than one fax line or fax card to ensure faster
dispatch of the message?

Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks and regards,

Chee Meng
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias)
Subject: Re: fax back from DTMF system
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:32:52 GMT

 brian@audiofax.com (Brian Troxell) writes:
!Baloney. Licensed by whom? What the devil are you talking about?

faxback is patented!

!To keep this from being a partisan advertisement, I'd just like to throw
!in our phone numbers so you don't think Brooktrout is the only option.

of course Brooktrout is not the only option, 
but they are a very nice fish in the industry sea.

if you are concerned with legalities, check whether the 
product you buy is licensed. 

/e



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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,alt.fax
From: root@exlink.msk.su (Sergey Syasin)
Subject: NetFax V2.1 Question
Organization: MTFB SVYAZ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:06:40 GMT

Hi Everybody!

Has anybody installed NetFax V2.1 under ISC UNIX 3.0?

Thanks a lot.

Serg
From: kevin@kestrel.kestrel.edu (Kevin Ow-Wing)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Everex Class 2 Fax modems For Sale.
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:04:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: kestrel.1992Nov11.210440.420
Distribution: na
Organization: Kestrel Institute, Palo Alto, CA

I have several Class 2 (not 2.0) fax modems available.  Both external as well
as internal (WITH the latest firmware revision).  For those interested in data
as well, they are V.22bis with MNP2-5.  I also have one internal that has V.42
and V.42bis.

I am asking $65 each for the externals and $50 each for the internals.

Thanks (and hopefully it is OK to post in this group!)
Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne)
Subject: Re: fax back from DTMF -- summary
Organization: BC News and Mail
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:34:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.111317.1035@beckman.com> tshapin@beckman.com (Ted Shapin) writes:
>Here is a summary of what I found from my inquiry on
>a fax back system that will use audio response and
>DTMF tones to select a stored fax document that will
>then be transmitted to the caller's fax machine. This
>is called "fax on demand".  
> 
>Systems can be either "one call" or "call back." With one 
>call you dial from your fax machine and everything is 
>completed in one call. With call back you call from any 
>phone and give the phone number of your fax machine which 
>will then be called back.  The latter method is covered by a 
>Brooktrout patent. Some systems will let you leave a voice 
>mail message after you have made your selections.  Some 
>systems are expandable to hundreds of phone lines.  Some 
>systems allow private fax mailboxes so users can dial in and 
>receive any faxes that have been sent to them and stored in 
>their fax mailbox. 
 
I still believe that Teleglobe Canada's Globefax system is an excellent example
of prior art. It was introduced in 1987 in Canada. It was used to provide a store
and forward fax messaging service. Targetted at reducing your long distance charges
when sending faxes to outside of North America.

Here is a summary of the operating instructions from their March 1988 instruction
brochure:

	Operating Instructions - Fax Input

	- dial Globefax phone number (eg 394-2226 in Vancouver)
	- when continous tone finishes enter your user id (6 digit code)
	- press *
	- select one of the following delivery options
	  - for immediate delivery press 1
	  - for deferred delivery press 2
	  - for timed delivery press 3XXXX where XXXX is the time for delivery
	- press *
	- enter a telephone number
	- press **
	- after the dual tone press start on your fax machine

My reading of the patent (filed May 11/88) indicates that the above procedure
would be covered by the patent (delivery of facsimile data to a number selected
by DTMF encode delivery commands).

So can someone explain why this would not be prior art that would invalidate
the patent if/when it get's to court?


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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: "The Dedicator" Fax Switch
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:08:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

As anyone had any experience positive or negative with using the
TT Systems product with either a fax machine or fax card.

Thanks,


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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner)
Subject: PostScript support for Fax modems?
Followup-To: comp.dcom.fax
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:13:11 GMT


I don't know if this has been covered already, but, are there any Fax modem
(or Fax modem software) developers that are going to support the sending or

receiving of PostScript Faxes?

With the better quality and time savings (especially with the PostScript 
Level 2 compression) you might think that there would be a lot of call for 
this.

Post or e-mail.  I will summarize upon request.

-- Pat -------------------------------------> hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: Telephone Fax Switch, Recommendations?
Date: 4 Nov 92 17:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: micha@moko.saar.de
Organization: Michael Bongartz, private UUCP site, Saarbruecken/Germany
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <ZwLJTB1w165w@halcyon.com>, puma writes:
> micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz) writes:
> 
> > In <1992Oct26.050119.7848@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, Mohammad Al-Ansari wr
> > 
> > > The problem with this approach is that it relies on the CNG tones.
> > 
> > Are there some fax machines in US which don't use CNG tones? Some faxes
> > I'm waiting for didn't come for some weeks - may it be possible that there
> > are some fax machines without CNG tone, so my fax/voice switch didn't
> > recognize a fax transmission???
> > 
> > I thaught, that all fax machines use CNG tones!
> 
> One caller who sends fax to me is unable to send a CNG tone.  I use a
> ComSwitch 660, which will listen for CNG or 'reverse modem' tones
> but you can also assign touchtone codes to these ports.  I understand
> that many of the switches can do that.  He needs to dial my number
> manually, wait for the switch to answer, and then enter two more
> digits to reach the fax.

That's very good. My fax switch doesn't recognize touchtone codes (because
it's from a german manufacturer, and here in Germany there was no touchtone
dialing three years ago. Now, in most cities, we've both - pulse and touch-
tone dialing).

But I think (I hope ;-) that there were now problems in the past - the
most faxes came to me - only some from the US had problems. Now, I've
tested with my new friend Dan from Cleveland (hello Dan ;-), and I've
found the problem in my Samsung fax machine. If I take the incoming
faxes with my ZyXEL (also with the fax switch), there ist no problem at
all!

I hate this fax machine - it has 'the O.K. of the german Telecom' - it's
not allowed to use devices without this (the ZyXEL is not allowed too,
but there are many ZyXEL's here ;-) - and the fact is that you have
lots of problems with these devices!

Thank you,
                Michael

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: vldias@inesc.pt (Victor Lopes Dias)
Subject: The facts about Everex 24/96D and 24/96E
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, Lisboa - PORTUGAL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:44:11 GMT

Hi,
The difference between the Everex 24/96D and 24/96E is the following:
24/96D is no longer made. It used to be a quasi-Class2 modem, according
to the 1990 specification (that failed the ballot).
These days, Everex makes only one kind. The 24/96E. However, the E model
they now make is different from the E model they used to make.
In the old days it was not class 2, now, it is...
In other words, Everex stopped making the non-class 2 modem, and changed
the name of the class 2 modem from 24/96D to 24/96E.
The only way you can tell the difference is by the long serial number.
EV-???-00 is the old non-class2 24/96E
EV-???-02 is the new class2  modem that works with most software around.
Bye, Victor.


Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
From: vldias@inesc.pt (Victor Lopes Dias)
Subject: Class 2 Fax Reception
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, Lisboa - PORTUGAL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:37:35 GMT

Hi everyone,
I'm writing an inbound fax program with a class 2 modem and i'm having
the following problem:
After the reception (Phase C), i get all the proper responses from the
modem saying the fax was received without errors, and the program stops
execution normally. However, when i try to convert the fax file i
received into something displayable (like postscript for example), i get
several sequencing errors that shouldn't be there.
I'm using isode-8.0's fax2ps utility and after a few errors it stops
converting, so i never get to see the whole page, even with the errors.
What i need is either a converter (preferably to postscript, or jpeg, or
even gif) that will ignore the errors and try to convert the image no
matter what; or an explanation WHY the modem receives the data
correctly, but my program doesn't. Is there any special format class 2
modems use to transmit the data to the DTE ? What can be the problem
here ? Even simple images (like a white page with "TEST" hand-written on
it) get several sequencing errors. Is there a special way class 2 modem
"pad", "fill" or "align" the bits that could make the fax2ps utility
fail to recognize the proper t.4 codes ?
Thanks, Miguel.
Internet: vldias@inesc.inesc.pt
From: H.Koepke@hkhh.hanse.de (Holger Koepke)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: USR/Courier/Fax via SunPC or SoftPC?
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:47:38 GMT
Organization: Goblin Research

corson@infodyn.com (Tom Corson) writes:

>Hi out there!

>Has anyone gotten their Courier/V.32bis/Fax modem to play on a Sun using
>either SunPC or SoftPC?  I've tried USR's Blastfax and DosFax Pro using
>both PC emulators, and, when transmitting a fax, the remote fax answers,
>I get carrier detect, and a brief burst of received data.  At this point, 
>the modem drops carrier and DTR and just sits there.

>I've tried about every init string I can think of.

Is the RTS/CTS-handling allright? Seems to be the problem.

Greetings,
Holger
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From: eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: fax back from DTMF system
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:36:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov11.003602.5561
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA


 nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:

![ The preceding bullshit (including patented faxback) has been
!brought to you by the USPTO. Maybe Bill Clinton could sign an
!executive order cancelling all this nonsense??  ]

that's it, pardon them all!  

!11 Grant St.              315-268-1925 Voice  |  LPF member - ask me about
!Potsdam, NY 13676         315-268-9201 FAX    |  the harm software patents do.

hey Russ, faxback is not a software-only patent, it involves
plenty of hardware and it is the unlicensed computerfax h/w 
manufacturers who are fighting it.  maybe this is irrelevant.

so much for my attempt not to discuss patent issues in this group!

/eli



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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner)
Subject: Re: PostScript support for Fax modems?
Followup-To: comp.dcom.fax
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:44:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.001252.1317@kth.se>, regebro@stacken.kth.se (Lennart
Regebro) wrote:
> 
> In article <hoepfner-111192100506@hoepfner.gsfc.nasa.gov> hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) writes:
> >
> >I don't know if this has been covered already, but, are there any Fax
> >modem (or Fax modem software) developers that are going to support the 
> >sending or receiving of PostScript Faxes?

> I'm not really sure on what you mean. I suppse you're talking about one
> of two things:
> 
> 1. Conversion of postscript to fax format before sending. 
> 2. Sending the file as a postcript file, converting it if it is sent to
>    a fax, but sent as a postscriptfile without conversion if the reciever
>    supports it.
> 
> 1. Is easy. I do it every day.
> 2. Is totally nonstandard. We will do it over X.25 in the future with our
>    FAX.25 systems. Compaq does it with some of their printers, but as long 
>    as there's no standard it will never be a big thing.

I didn't explain myself very well.  It is case (2) that I am interested in.
 There is a number of vendors (NEC, Compaq, and Cannon) who are selling or
will announce a device that will transmit a PostScript-fax message if the
receiving machine is PS-fax capable, or it will switch to G3 if it isn't. 

If a number of vendors are doing it, I guess that makes it a de-facto
standard!

I thought that since PS-fax offers speed and resolution, the fax modem
developers might want to support this.  For those with LaserJets, I saw a
PS-fax cartridge.  It was advertised for around $230 (if memory serves) and
you simply plug a phone line into the cartridge, and plug the cartridge
into your LaserJet.  Then you have a PS-fax capable receiving machine.

With the ease of simply transmitting a PS-fax image rather than the G3
image, you would think that the fax modem software developers would include
this as an option.

-- Pat -------------------------------------> hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: puma <puma@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: need info on Inmac "Fax Line Manager" or equiv
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:33:12 GMT

brian@grot.starconn.com (Brian Smithson) writes:

> I recently purchased an Inmac Fax Line Manager (without manuals) at at
> local surplus store.  It routes everything just fine except for incoming
> faxes which are not preceeded by CNG tones.
> 
> What I'd like to know is this: does the Fax Line Manager have any other
> routing features, such as touchtone routing (e.g, "press 123* to route
> the call to the fax line")?
> 
> If someone out there has this device, or an equivalent device -- I've seen th
> same device sold with private labels other than Inmac's -- please contact me
> by e-mail.  I'll summarize and post.

This may seem like a silly question... but, have you asked INMAC?
I would suggest calling their customer service number and asking
for a manual or whatever information you need.
From: clifto@indep1.UUCP (Cliff Sharp)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: Telephone Fax Switch, CNG Signal, FaxModem Software
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:29:50 GMT
Organization: as little as possible

In article <6NOV92.16364216@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> aleung@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca writes:
>I think CNG tone is not control by software. It control by Hardware.

   I believe you're right and I'm willing to stand by you in this discussion.
I suppose that it's conceivable that software _could_ generate the CNG tones,
but it's so much easier to do in hardware that I'm willing to stick with you
on this.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner)
Subject: Re: PostScript support for Fax modems?
Followup-To: comp.dcom.fax
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:37:28 GMT

> Patrick Hoepfner writes:
> >
> >I thought that since PS-fax offers speed and resolution, the fax modem
> >developers might want to support this.  For those with LaserJets, I 
> >saw a PS-fax cartridge.  It was advertised for around $230 (if memory 
> >serves) and you simply plug a phone line into the cartridge, and plug 
> >the cartridge into your LaserJet.  Then you have a PS-fax capable 
> >receiving machine.

Mike Parker <mparker@adobe.com> writes:
>
> I think that it probably is not PS-fax capable...

I stand corrected.  That *is* only regular fax and it costs $259.

> >[regrading the availability of sending PS-fax from a fax modem]

>The short answer to your original question is not yet.  Several things
>need to happen, Adobe needs to complete and release the documentation
>on PS file transmission, Adobe needs to add an application interface to
>our drivers so that third-party apps can call on it to generate PS for
>them, and we need to do a little evangelism.  If you know of a modem
>vendor that wants to be first, let me know.

I assumed that the likes of NEC, Compaq and Cannon wouldn't build these
devices to a *non* standard.  I now wonder if a Compaq will talk to a NEC
or a Cannon PS-fax!  And Mike, can we expect Adobe to release the
documentation on PS file transmission, create an application interface for
third-parties to and do a little evangelism?

The Macintosh and I assume Windows won't have to worry about the 3rd party
interface though...

-- Pat -------------------------------------> hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax