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From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
Subject: Re: Problem with TheGuide!
Summary: More info, please... (and email it to me direct..)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:21:50 GMT

In article <1bj8vaINN37c@golem.wcc.govt.nz> harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

Hello --

>Then it locks up.  The help screen can be got up OK, and at the crash, the
>mouse cursor can be moved arround, but the computer requires a restart.

Can you clear away the 'help screen' (which is a Title screen, actually) or
is this the point where the computer locks?  You're supposed to click on
the 'OK' button (either with the mouse, or press [ENTER] or [O]) and then
you'd see the nifty Index of all the entires in the system.  (You did
first run the UPDATE utility, didn't you?  If not, then PLEASE read the
file called 'READ.ME' first!!!!)

>This happens on both the machines I have (Both XTs, one a portable running DOS
>3.2, the other a desktop with 5.0) I have tried removing all TSRs etc, and I
>have even tried unPkLiteing the executables, all to no avail :-(

1) A few other folks have written to me stating problems with old IBM XT's.
     I wonder if there's a problem with that type of computer, period.
2) Version of DOS shouldn't matter (as long as its 3.x or later) but thanks
     for the info anyway...
3) You shouldn't be able to un-PKLite this thing (not without hacking tools)
     cos I use the PKLite Professional... (at least that's what the PK-Ware
     people claim...)

PLEASE try to get to a DIFFERENT system (ie, another brand, or a different
chip, like 286, 386, 486, etc) and try it out... I've received mail from
maybe half-a-dozen folks who can't get TG! to work on the old IBM XT's...
(if it works on a different system, then we know that the problem lies
with TG! trying to do things on an XT; if it doesn't work, then the problem
is probably more general...)

>The guide is readable with a text viewer, but it would be nice to have a fancy
>viewer....

Yepper, that's what TG! is... too bad it's "sick"...

>I have had no problems with other TP/Object Vision programs.

Well, what types of stuff do you mean?  Do you write your own?  What other
programs have you been able to run?  This might help point out a particular
feature that TG! uses which your other ones don't, and that may be the
source of the problem... Please respond on this one...

>Any help would be much appreciated (especially if you fix the problem!)

Yepper, and remember ... DON'T --

>(I'm NOT panicing! )   :-)

-- oh, good; you already know what piece of advice!  :^>

>| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
>|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |

Steve
--
     "Well, this ship is packed enough
      Without that other guy in my brain
      Sticking pins in me while I daydream...
      Happy Seven Today!"      -- "Boogie Woogie Worm Domination"
                                   as heard on WLSD-FM Radio....
swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu
From: jamcrae@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Jeffrey A. Mcrae)
Subject: Re: Roll Call!!!
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:38:16 EDT
From: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (`Grave' Dave Gymer)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: making tug
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:42:23 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <1992Oct10.161208.10883@ra.oc.com> ferguson@wizard.etsu.edu (Jason M Ferguson) writes:
>Could someone send me complete, step-by-step instructions to setting up
>the tug reader on UNIX?
>[...]

If anyone does have more detailed instructions, I'd be more than happy to add
them to the package.

Dave.

ps. I really will be starting the new version soon.  Honest!  I'm writing as
part of my final year project, so it just _has_ to get done!
-- 
`Grave' Dave Gymer, 42 St Mary's Park, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0EF, England
<dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk  (but I'm not always in, and I have no answering machine)>
MM SS -- DD OO SS     The Thing That Should Not Be.  | Vote for insanity. You
MM SS -- DD OO SS     But E.vil N.ever D.ies.        |   know it makes sense.
From: UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET (leo richardson)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Problem with TheGuide!
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:42:25 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany



> I have a problem with the program The Guide!.  The program gets as far as
>
> Loading GuideNET data... Done.
>
> Then it locks up.  The help screen can be got up OK, and at the crash, the
> mouse cursor can be moved arround, but the computer requires a restart.
>
I have had the same problem with TG on my Atari PC3 (8088-8, 640KB,
DR-DOS 6.0). Another reason for buying a 486.
>
> (I'm NOT panicing! )   :-)
>
Leo
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Roll Call!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:11:56 GMT

Hey, i'm here too.  I'll have smome articles for you editors as soon as
hedgehogs start hibernating.

						Steve
						kyraan@bach.udel.edu

Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Roll Call!
Summary: Thanks for the interest, and the question!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:11:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.121604.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> vjs4@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:

>I'm here too, ready to post, but with a question: Do we have to create
>the ID number (%n) or is that provided before the post goes into the main
>Guide? Right now the only information I know how to provide it the reality
>index.

EGG-zactly!  That's all that the authors are supposed to provide.  The
other stuff (editor number and article number) are assigned by the editor
upon editing the article.  So, you're assumptions are correct -- you simply
provide the reality index, ie [ %n S ] for semi-real, and then the editor(s)
fill in the rest!

Remember that when you have an article ready for submission, be sure to
email it to one of us editors (read: DON'T post it publically FIRST; wait
for us to do that).  Thanks!

Comments?  More questions?  Money?  (not necessarily in that order :^> )

Steve
--
******************************************************************************
  you have just    |"For those who look for meaning, and form as they do fact,
 been bothered by  | we might tell you one thing, but we'd only take it back.
 Texas Bob and/or  | Not back like in a box, back; not back like in a race;
   Eddie Froman    | not back so we can keep it; but back in Time and Space!"
(based on th'moon) |                                             -- HEAD, 1968
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: Echo W. Who
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Summary: *trudge*trudge*trud-*oops*thunk*
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:17:20 GMT
Organization: Eternal Order of Chaos
Originator: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu


	...Just me tripping as I trudge through the day...

	...So much for having a job (I refuse to do something illegal
	as part of SOP)

	...back to the pavement tomorrow...

	...time to lose myself in Amber oceans and sonic waves...

	
	
-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ Check my .plan \ Just a Grim
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe
From: allan@slab.unt.edu (Mark Allan)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Bipolar, Anyone?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:50:13 GMT
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT

Just in such a good mood today, I thought I'd break out of my lurker status 
and talk to y'all, and shine a ray of crystal light into this cold, 
cobwebbed database... By the way, this is one of my favorite newsgroups, 
along w/ alt.romance.chat, that world where everybody is HUG ing eachother.  
I guess intense emotions are my reason for living.  Any kindred souls, out 
there?

Lithium, anyone?                                         Allan@slab.unt.edu
 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
Reply-To: rath@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:39:40 GMT

In article <Bw0KD8.7wG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
:
:
>Yeah, I know I asked for it--still, no need to get personal. :-(
>
>I think that you've hit on the thing that bothers me most about some (not all)
>of the activity in this group--the suicide-as-melodrama thread running through
>some of the posts.  Maybe there should be an 'alt.suicide.serious' group for
>people like myself, whose experience with successful and attempted suicides 

Might these be your own personal experiences?  I assume not because you 
write of your experience with "successful" attempts.  One thing you may not have
picked up on is that some/many of the people posting are dealing with 
suicidal-ness from the inside--not looking in from out there and judging.
Some of the ridiculous stuff I have thought at particularly dark times is 
kinda funny, although I would not be able to figure that out alone.
	Anyway, I thought it amusing that you asked for flames and then 
complained when you got them.  Maybe you could go  play with the pink boys 
on alt.slack who have to pretend the world is absurd without realizing that 
ITS NO JOKE! !IT REALLY IS FUNNY!
PS if i had to make a bet and win it i would bet that you will die some day
too.  Everbody does it.  I think suicidal people are just control freaks
who can't bear the thought of not being in control of their own 
mortality.  Not much more absurd than holy wars waged in light of controlling
the forces of a world made up in one's head.  Or vegetarians who happily 
eat sugar, the production of which kills people instead of animals.  
Oh, and what's this reality stuff--something you made up?
--boB dobBs borrowing an account
>just doesn't square with the way the subject is treated--dare I say,
>romanticized--in this group.  Until then, someone--not necessarily myself--
>should still pop up from time to time to remind the more morbid a.s.h.ers that
>someone's suicide is not an occasion for "a cheap holiday in other people's 
>misery."
>
>God, I've asked for it now...


>--
>
>Tom Dennis                    |  I looked into the abyss,
>dennis@alexia.uiuc.edu        |    and the abyss looked into me--
>tadg0614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu     |      and we both winked.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: chrisa@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (C. G. Albone)
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:46:38 GMT

In article <9227613.18779@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> pdt@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON) writes:
>fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
>
>>OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?
>
>>Just to start the ball rolling: 
>>	
>>	Hire a hit-man to bump you off.
>>	Estimated code: $10000-$200000. (Maybe more if you're famous :-)
>>Fergus Henderson             fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU      
>  Crash a Stealth bomber into the Australian Parliment House.
>  cost: $1b for the bomber, $1b for the Parliment House.
Yeah, kill 3 birds with one stone so to speak too...
(a) yourself
(b) destroy that stupid looking building
(c) rid us of politicians


---
Chris.

Ps. you could crash a Space Shuttle.... thats been tested and found to
be both expensive and effective :)

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:37:03 GMT

In <92286.171925U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>Quite perceptive.

And imperceptable.

>>>Those needing to maintain their sullen nature will no doubt flame.
>>>Denial of the necessity for change is paramount to them.  Attacking whats    
>>>them is their modus operandi.  They will fight well to stay as they are.
>>>They will find ways to debunk anything that gives them cause to look
>>>inside and see that they need to change:  That the fault is not in the stars,
>>>but in themselves. . . .

Tut-tut Brady. Selective deletion is *such* a bad habit. Do you really
expect me to repeat myself?

>Thanks for proving my point.  Honest, folks, I didn't pay him to do it.

You can if you like. I need the money.

>But he did a *fine* job anyway! ;))))  Lucifuge, want to be my foil
>some more?

Why not? You could use the exercise. 

>>Thank you Brady. Target practise is always fun...

>You haven't hit anything but yourself, as usual.

Hmmm...sounds like...a *denial*! 

>Say, have you thought of a career as a "Minister of Denial?"

I'm too old for politics. Then again the title 'Supreme uberfuhrer,
primus Illuminatus and overlord for life (and potential afterlife) has
always appealed.

>You sure have "the touch" with ecumenicism.

Not the only touch I have Brady.

Lucifuge...


--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
The Lord is my Shepherd..........................but I'm not a Sheep
--------------------------ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie-----------------------
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Fork in the Road: Binary Decisions
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:37:40 GMT
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA

In article <1992Oct8.222456.10398@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>How does one really know if a choice among alternatives is the best
>one?

Sometimes only by hindsight years later.

>Today, I finalized a decision, which will forever change my future.
>There's no turning back, effectively.  Knowing me, I probably picked
>the wrong alternative.

Few decisions are actually as irrevocable as they may seem.  Even
getting married can be changed.  (Obviously that's way up on the scale
on ones that are a pain to change, but it _can_ be.)  
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: sdf.lonestar.org:/u/df/suicide_quux
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:54:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In <BvwzDF.G4q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Saint Joan of 
Arc) writes:

>It isn't necessary that a person have nefarious motives for doing something
>which causes or enhances the pain in someone's life....though i suppose in
>many cases it is a sound explanation for someone doing something.

[illustrative anecdote deleted]

If this is another "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" 
rationalization... The mother in your anecdote may not have been EE-vil, but 
she sure was careless.

>  That (most) societies condemn suicide could be the result that those that
>don't die out. 

What--like Japan, for instance?

>No moral judgment here, only an application of meme theory.

Please forgive my regrettable lack of an adequate liberal arts education, but 
what the hell is "meme theory"?

>It also hold for individuals; those with firmer desire to live than those that
>don't and off themselves are the ones left over to reproduce.

Which goes on to support one of my original points: society doesn't need to 
"condemn" suicide if most individuals are dead-set against it in the first 
place.
> e.k.                         

>--
>St. Joan of Arc ,euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
>standard disclaimers apply
>Hold fast to the center --Tao Te Ching
--

Tom Dennis                    |  I looked into the abyss,
dennis@alexia.uiuc.edu        |    and the abyss looked into me--
tadg0614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu     |      and we both winked.
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland)
Subject: Re: Bipolar, Anyone?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:09:27 GMT

ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles) writes:

>In <allan.5.718998613@slab.unt.edu> allan@slab.unt.edu (Mark Allan) writes:

stuff deleted
>>I guess intense emotions are my reason for living.  Any kindred souls, out 
>>there?

>I'm in a good mood too.
>And even if I was in a bad mood, I wouldn't feel like suicide...
>I feel like homicide.
>Just thought I'd get that off my chest.

   I, too, am bipolar affective.
   I occasionally feel like suicide, but more often it is homicide that I
   am contemplating.  Is this some sort of shared trait of that disease?

                         -jimi-
From: jprovo@Gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Wandering Pedestal of Angst)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a cheap holiday in other people's misery
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:35:30 GMT
Organization: Russel Street UN*X and Caffeine

dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
>1.  It wasn't terribly obvious, from the postings, that people had been 
>fingering him every couple of days.  Maybe I missed it, I don't know.  It's
>also not real obvious that some sysadmin could have logged in for him.
..if it wasn't terribly obvious to you, maybe you could've ASKED before
ASSUMING? No?... and here's a small clue: the title "sysadmin" implies that the
person can do anything on their system...open accounts, close them, root
through them...

>Yeah, I know I asked for it--still, no need to get personal. :-(
I think YOU got pretty damn personal with your assumptions.

>Maybe there should be an 'alt.suicide.serious' group for
>people like myself, whose experience with successful and attempted suicides 
>just doesn't square with the way the subject is treated--dare I say,
>romanticized--in this group.  Until then, someone--not necessarily myself--
>should still pop up from time to time to remind the more morbid a.s.h.ers that
>someone's suicide is not an occasion for "a cheap holiday in other people's 
>misery."
Shall I go through the Litany Of Creation for you? net.suicide begat...
anyway, here's the points: 
  a.s.h started with topics re: connexions between suicides and holidays.
  since then, it has heard topics 'serious' [by your definition] and 'romantic'
    [by the same] due to --gasp-- tolerance and understanding on the part of
    the readership as a whole [barring recent flamage]; many believe [even 
    after being affected by instances] the suicide is a *viable option*. Deal.
  this is alt, not mainstream USENet.  Go stir discussion for a.s.serious in 
    alt.config if you like, or just go and newgroup the bloody thing yourself.

...and no, you haven't asked for it..do you honestly THINK that you're the
first "redeemer" to come thru a.s.h?  Most just get ignored and go away; I 
think you've just been pretty good at keeping some fires going.

And believe me - from me, that was not a compliment.

bye,
joe
-- 
Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions as mine."
jprovo@gnu.ai.mit.edu                                       jzp@gene.ummed.edu
    Russell Street UN*X Consultations and Development     (NIC handle: JZP)
                            Rev. Dkr. Nick LaRG0, ASC 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Organization: who me? organized? 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:25:16 GMT


	My main reason to avoid any type of "professional" therapy is 
fear of being fitted for one of those lovely dinner jackets with sleeves
that fasten in the back...

	While I probably should go in immediately for some sort of
therapy (for things other than depression and suicidal urges), I'm afraid
that I might wind up in the State Mental Hospital... it's just too easy
for someone to get sent there for "evaluation" or "temporary" observation.
The local paper does an expose every year now about how horrible the
place is.  It's extremely understaffed, underfunded and underpoliced.  There
have been too many times that staff (usually volunteers) have sexually and/or
mentally abused/tormented patients.  There is little actual help or attention
given to any of the patients (they have enough trouble giving people another
set of clean garments each week).  I'd be better off hiking through the
Himalayas without a guide than going to that place...

	As far as "violent means" go... boiling yourself in oil is always
an option.  Painting yourself to death (die from heat stroke) is 
fairly non-violent... you can even be quite artistic with your death.
There is a way to die from a hat-pin that is fairly non-violent and quick
(esp. if someone else does it to you)... but I won't describe it -- it's
too easy to use for assasination. (I don't need the govn't breathing 
down my neck for disseminating "dangerous" information right now...)

	
				Psycho Kitten
				stuck at the University of Dela-Where...
				where there are no intelligent people that
				I can converse with...
				(why does everyone on the net have to live
				so far away???)


-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ Check my .plan \ Just a Grim
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ Reaper wannabe

Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: involuntary incarceration and violent means
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:25:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202516.19187@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:

>	While I probably should go in immediately for some sort of
>therapy (for things other than depression and suicidal urges), I'm afraid
>that I might wind up in the State Mental Hospital... it's just too easy
>for someone to get sent there for "evaluation" or "temporary" observation.

   While that is a real fear for suicidally depressed people it is very
rare for a counselor to overreact to that degree and have you committed
unless you seem like you are agitated and on the verge of imminent suicide.
If you get free counseling through the college they are likely to be used
to dealing with depressed students who have entertained suicidal thoughts
and not overreact to the idea.  You mention going in for reasons other than
depression and suicidal urges, so unless you walk into counseling with
a hard core speach about how cruddy life is and the only solution is to
off yourself right away - you really aren't likely to be committed
involuntarily.
  
   For someone who is getting counseling and your therapist seems to more
and more be suggesting the idea of a hospital stay and if it seems like
you are likely to be shortly incarcerated against your will, at that point
it is actually better to voluntarily have yourself admitted to a hospital.
If you are involuntarily committed they can keep you as long as they like.
If you go voluntarily and it turns out to be one of those institutional
hell holes then they have to release you if you don't want to stay.
-- 
*               Dave             *  Why, sometimes I've believed as   *
#                                #  many as six impossible things     #
* alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com  *  before breakfast. - Lewis Carroll *
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