HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:48:27 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan7.094454.26223@meiko.com>, esp@meiko.co.uk writes:
> 
> John Bell wrote:
> 
>>..........................................And as for all this bollocks about
>> supporting your local side, i do. I live 17 miles from dundee and indeed
>> support the super dees. I have been to over 250 matches in the last few years
>> Who the hell do you support then?
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Bristol Rovers!! Not a big team, never won any major cups, probably never will. But who knows, with Malcolm Allison at the helm and money in the bank..........

the dees have won nothing for 20 years, almost went out of business in 1983,
had a crook for a chairman who between 1987 and 1990 managed to turn us from
one of the top six clubs in scotland to relegation to division one. Our biggest
ever signing is 250,000 on morten weighorst, (december last year), in fact,
between 1952 and 1980 our record transfer fee was 50,000. However, we've got
a new board, new manager, new team and within a few years new ground. The dees
are back!!!

> 
> One of the few league teams whose home ground is outside the city they're named after. (Twerton Park in Bath).
> 
> If your interested and have access to Sky Sports Channel, our FA Cup 3rd Rnd reply against Aston Villa, is live next Wednesday!!! Wow our first game to be broadcast live to the nation!!! Trip to the bathroom stuff........??? 

think i'll watch

apparently villia were lucky to get a draw at villa park

should be a good match

> 
> Up The Gas!!
> 
> Steve
> 
> ps Why did it take my posting for you to include Dundee in your .sig??? Or did I miss it before?

in the vax system we have here, you can have a number of directories in your
account, i have 4 directories, 2 of which have sig files so there is a
difference, i also change my sigs every few weeks so that explains it, though
all my sigs generally include something about the blues. 

> 
>    
-- 


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
John B at the DIT
<e-mail : mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk.
FORZA MILAN!!!   FORZA DUNDEE!!!   FORZA SAO PAULO!!!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
ps. this is my other sig file!
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Maradona
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:15:17 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I received a call this a.m. from a friend in Buenos Aires.  He says that
in February there will be a friendly between Argentina and Brazil, and 
that Maradona is expected to play.  That is all the info I have, we didn't
talk long.  Does anyone have anything more on this??

Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl (Milquetoast)
Subject: Re: The mighty Liverpool
Reply-To: chris@wg.estec.esa.nl
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:55:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.165320.15753@rdg.dec.com>, mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com
writes:

 Since Utd. last won the title in 1967, Liverpool have won it 
> an amazing 11 occasions which means that in the last 20 years, the great
> Liverpool have won 55% of the available league titles. They have won more
> titles than Leeds, Derby, Forest, Villa , Everton & Arsenal put together in
> the last 20 years.
> 

And I thought it was just Evertonians who had to turn to history to cheer
themselves up :-)

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 900707h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Swarajsingh Horree)
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR WORLD CUP GAMES ENDING IN TIES
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:17:50 GMT

074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:

>In article <1993Jan9.014529.21612@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
>rgj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD G. JOHNSTON) writes:
> 
>>
>>The penalty kick procedure used to end tie games during the World Cup is, in
>>my opinion, a poor solution to the problem. Here is my alternative to breaking
>>ties. At the end of regulation make both sides play with only nine players for
>>some period of time, maybe 10 minutes. If the game is still tied 1 more player
>>would be pulled from each side every five or ten minutes. With such an
>>approach at least the game would be determined on the field. Anyone who has
>>played soccer realizes fewer players on the same size pitch opens up the game.  previous
>>World Cup had too many teams trying to play to play to a scoreless tie in
>>order to take their chances with penalty kicks. Any other alterantives?
> 
>A most brilliant suggestion !!!!
> 
>.-----------------------------------------------------------------------.
>|  Mukesh Kasanjee            Nickname    : Spock                       |
>|  Computer Centre            Telephone   : 27-11-716-8000 (Int'l)      |
>|  Wits University, Jhb       Fax         : 27-11-339-1225 (Int'l)      |
>|  PO Wits    2050            Local email : 074spock@witsvma            |
>|  South Africa               Internet    : 074spock@witsvma.wits.ac.za |

>'-----------------------------------------------------------------------'

 What if the game is still tied till only the two goalkeepers are
 left on the field?

 *************
 Swaraj Horree
 Acadia U
 nova Scotia
 Canada
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:19554 soc.culture.celtic:8664
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool - my boys!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:59:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      That 2-1 loss to Aston Villa has made people happy though...and the worst
is that Manchester United is in first place now.
      Do you think that it's time to sack Souness?
                                                                Panos
From: root@skorpion.lt.su (Almantas Lauzadis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Belorussia Ch. End of Half
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 10:23:44 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: SKORPIONAS Ltd, Panevezys, Lithuania
Reply-To: root@skorpion.lt.su

Belorussia Ch. End of Half

      1 Dinamo Minsk               16 14  2  0  45-  8   37  30
      2 Belarus Minsk              16 10  3  3  27- 12   15  23
      3 KIM Vitebsk                16  8  6  2  21-  9   12  22
      4 Himik Grodno               16  8  5  3  15- 15    0  21
      5 Torpedo Mogilev            16  6  8  2  21- 10   11  20
      6 Dinamo Brest               16  7  5  4  19- 11    8  19
      7 Dnepr Mogilev              16  7  5  4  22- 17    5  19
      8 Traktor Bobruisk           16  6  6  4  14-  6    8  18
      9 Shahter Soligorsk          16  6  5  5  12- 15   -3  17
     10 Stroitel St. Dorogi        16  5  3  8  13- 15   -2  13
     10 Gomselmas Gomel            16  4  5  7  11- 19   -8  13
     11 Torpedo Minsk              16  3  7  6  15- 20   -5  13
     13 Metallurg Molodechno       16  4  3  9  17- 25   -8  11
     14 Vedrich Rechiza            16  3  5  8  14- 31  -17  11
     15 Lokomotyv Vitebsk          16  2  6  8  16- 24   -8  10
     16 Obuvscik Lida              16  2  4 10   9- 25  -16   8
     17 BelAZ Zhodino              16  1  2 13   9- 38  -29   4

The Best '92 - Andrei Sygmantovic (Dinamo Minsk)

---
      root@skorpion.lt.su
      Almantas Lauzadis
      Kranto 28, Panevezys 5319, Lithuania
      Skorpionas Ltd.
---
From: dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The mighty Liverpool
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:20:22 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com writes:
> Keyword
> 
> --     I am fed up with Man. Utd. fans coming up to me and saying that this will
> be Utd.'s year to win the title. They have been saying that for the last 
> 26 years and still no results. I would love to see Liverpool win the title
> but if they fail, then I would like to see Aston Villa win the title. Anybody
> but the Mancs. Since Utd. last won the title in 1967, Liverpool have won it 
> an amazing 11 occasions which means that in the last 20 years, the great
> Liverpool have won 55% of the available league titles. They have won more
> titles than Leeds, Derby, Forest, Villa , Everton & Arsenal put together in
> the last 20 years.
> 
>        Martin Cunniffe, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com
> 
>        "Liverpool - The greatest club side that the world has seen"	

Why is it that Liverpool supporters hate United more than any other
team? As, you quite rightly state, Liverpool has won so much over that
last 20 years, why should any other club provoke so much emotion
amongst Liverpool supporters? Could it be that Liverpool fans secretly
have an inferiority complex about United? Who's had the best league
record against Liverpool in those 20 years? United. Who beat Liverpool
in the 77 Cup Final and prevented them winning the treble? United.
Who, consistently has been getting bigger crowds than liverpool since
Liverpool came out of the 2nd division (including when this club was
in the second division themselves in 1974/75)? United. Despite
Liverpools sucees, which club is more popular, both at home and
abroad? United.

Liverpool are seen as a ruthless organisation, for whom winning is
everything - look at the way they treated Shankly after he retired.
They can be respected, but it's hard to like them if you're not a fan.
That's why Liverpool fans resent United so much, jealousy.

It's as simple as that!

Dave
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:54:07 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

In article <C0GD7A.At2@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:
>
>The most exciting giant-killer game I ever witnessed was then non-league
>Hereford United beating then first division Newcastle United 2-1 in a replay
>after a 2-2 draw in 1972.  That goal, Ricky George's, I think, will remain
>in my opinion, the best goal I ever saw!

No! No! It was Ronnie Radford that fired in the 35 yarder from a pitch
inches deep in mud. George scored the winner later on. I always remember
the pitch invasions by the young kids in snorkel parkas who were going
wild with joy!

As a Spurs supporter I treasure the memory of Micky Thomas' free-kick
equaliser in the third round last year which helped lowly Wrexham dump
out reigning champions Arsenal. Sweet!

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <B.O.C.Munro@tcom.stc.co.uk> (Note new address)
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:01:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>
>What a two-weeks holiday can do to a person! The last days I was so bored
>that I watched some English FA-Cup soccer. Soon I was even more bored, by
>the lack of intelligence in the games, but then Bolton Wanderers against
>Liverpool came up...
>
>You'll all now the result (2-2) by now. Just another example of what the
>English premier league means... Bolton TWO (!!!) divisions lower than 
>Liverpool, one of the so-called 'top-teams' in England. What a joke! 
>That kind of results can only be true in England. Liverpool, IF it were the
>top-team it pretends to be, should have easily CRUSHED Bolton, just by the
>status the team has. But no, they play 2-2. Nowhere in Europe the (real)
>top-teams make a laugh of themselves in that way. They just win with 3 or 4
>goals difference, just because they ARE top-teams!


If when watching FA Cup matches you expect a team from a higher division
to _crush_ a team from a lower division, then you are missing the whole
point and beauty of the Football Association Challenge Cup.

The FA Cup, as it is more commonly known, is famous for its giant-killers.
Everyone loves an underdog and when such matches occur we take notice and
hope the crushing is done by the "minnows"!

It gives the teams from the lower divisions, indeed, teams from "non-league"
divisions (not in the FA Premier League or Football League) a chance to play
the giants and see exactly how they match up.  On paper it always looks like
the giant will crush the minnow.  But, "football's a funny old game", as they
say, and on match day one team can certainly be as good as the other... or
sometimes as bad as the other.

How boring life would be if the "best" teams always won.  In fact, this is
the basic reason why some teams are "hated".  Because these teams have
enjoyed a certain amount of success and maintained this success for years,
decades even, then fans of other teams are passionately waiting for the 
ultimate downfall.

The FA Cup gives us this chance, to see those teams so smug and brilliant,
to trip over themselves or just be plain beat by a team, no matter from
how low a division, that is just plain better on the day.

The most exciting giant-killer game I ever witnessed was then non-league
Hereford United beating then first division Newcastle United 2-1 in a replay
after a 2-2 draw in 1972.  That goal, Ricky George's, I think, will remain
in my opinion, the best goal I ever saw!


-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
=========| Gresley Rovers Football Club ("The Moatmen"), founded 1882 |=========
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: kick back to the keeper
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:27:00 GMT

In article <C0G8xw.KD0@shuksan> major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt) writes:
>: In it's infinite wisdom, the NCAA decided that the implementation of
>: the backpass rule (which all other countries implemented last July)
>: would be too much of a hardship for the college coaches to train their
>: players.
>: 
>: Apparently, the NCAA will comply _next_ season.
>
>
>  You have to remember when the Federation season begins.  Their 'season'
>  starts with the beginning of the school year.  Therefore, the rules were
>  already in place for 92-93 (September-June).  So, when FIFA implemented
>  their 1992 Memorandum - effective July, the Federation (College/High School)
>  rules were already out - ready for September '92.  
>
Funny that it's no problem for European Leagues, most of which start
in August, but it is supposedly a problem for the NCAA, whose
competition starts in September. A more likely explanation is that the
the NCAA wants to keep control of the rules it plays under, rather
than automatically adopting FIFA rules like everyone else does.

>  NISOA (National Intercollegiate Soccer Officials Association) seems to be
>  getting closer and closer to US Soccer officiating a la FIFA.  They have
>  even published a 'joint' Procedures For Referees and Linesmen, in trying
>  to standardize referee techniques and mechanics at all levels of play.
>
Which, if I remember correctly, are littered with comments like "NCAA:
Stop the clock" etc etc, plus subtlely different penalty tie-breaking
from those ordained by FIFA. It's a shame that the NCAA tinkers with
the rules, not only for the players sake. Given the complete lack of
pro soccer to watch around here, I would quite like to watch some college
soccer. However, I'm simply not prepared to watch soccer controlled by
an organisation that thinks it has an ordained right to make its own
rules and slap restrictive rules to prevent players from playing from
other teams outside of the NCAA season. Why doesn't USSF do something
about this kind of stuff?

--
Colin Morris    Ingres, an ASK Group company     cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"conservatives don't know how to conserve anything except their own
privileges and wealth"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Organization: CSU
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:54:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.113629.9329@meiko.com>
esp@meiko.co.uk writes:
 
>
>
>
>
>Shame on you lot!!!
>
>Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the supporters of the Liverpools, Man U's and Leeds of this World.... as long as they live in or around
>Liverpool, Manchester or Leeds. But it's those who simply support these teams because... well they win a 
>lot... they're big teams... they're in Europe... etc etc. They think they're special because they rarely have to face the possiblity of defeat.
>Pathetic!! They deserve no respect from any real football fan! I ask you, where's the passion?
>
>I just wish this lot would look over their shoulder and take a look at their local teams, OK the quality may not be too good, but to these teams and
>their supporters every game is about survival and the dream of one day being up there with the big b
>oys.
>
>One of the saddest moments in football in recent years was when Aldershot folded. That day a few thousand people in Aldershot had their hearts
broken.
>I wonder if any of the Liverpool or Leeds fans living in Aldershot, who never bothered watching th
>eir local team because they were in the 4th division, (and where was the pride in that??), felt guilty, I hope so!!!!
>
>Thing is, things are getting worse! We now have a guy in Scotland supporting AC Milan. What reason other than the fact that Milan are unbeaton in the
>past two seasons in Serie A would a guy support a team on the other side of the continent?
>
>I wonder how long it will be before this lot start supporting Germany, instead of their own country,, because Germany has won the World Cup more
times
>than most????? Same principle!!!!!!
>
>I figure this may provoke some reaction....... Come on guys defend yourselves!!
>
>Steve
>
>Support Your LOCAL team!!!!
>
The MUFC team of the 1960's was a great football team, and even though I was
living in Shropshire, they were my team and have pretty much remained that
way.  Support Your LOCAL team!!!! - I couldn't agree more.  Living in
Shropshire my local team was Shrewsbury Town, spent many saturday afternoons
there, I even watched Telford United a few times (anybody remember the FA Cup
3rd round Tie Vs Leeds United played at the Hawthorns Jan. '87? Cup Football
at its best).  I did my undergrad at B'ham Poly so Walsall, Villa and B'ham
City were occasionally visited.  But all along, that affinity/passion/
irrational support for MUFC lingered on.
   Now living in Cleveland Ohio, I still "support" MUFC, I still want
Shrewsbury to win and look for all West Midland scores.  Just because I now
live in Cleveland does not automatically mean that The Crunch has become
the focus of my football life.
  I would urge football fans to not only follow big teams on TV, but also
go to the local lower division/non-league teams.
 
Richard Cole                          Shropshire Rivalry:
The Urban Center                      Shrewsbury vs Telford.
Cleveland State University            Hardly TV material, but one hell
Cleveland Ohio 44115 USA              of a game.
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jimd@ssd.intel.com (Jim DePorter)
Subject: Re: Thoughts and the movie Alive...
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:54:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.154323.15045@europa.asd.contel.com>, andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
|> Hello again,
|> 
|> Well, lets get right to it.
|> [...]
|> 
|> My second thought relates to soccer and commercials.  We are constantly
|> complaining that there are some many products out there and the companies
|> fail to realize that there is a huge soccer market out there.  Well, being the
|> shameful coach potato that I am, I can tell you this is not true.  I can't
|> believe how many commercials now a days have a soccer tie in.  Watch for this
|> in the future.  Whether its Gatorade or Tide, or any of a ton of products
|> that have commercials, there is invariably either someone playing soccer in
|> the commercial or a soccer ball is located very near to the main action of
|> the commercial.

Yea, I've noticed a lot of commercials with a soccer theme. Has everyone
in the US sent in for their Sunny Delight Soccer Ball? The final day for
sending it in was December 31. It's a nice handstitched ball and it even
comes with a package of pump needles. It has flags of different countries
on each panel and in US fashion the Canadian Flag is upside down!
   I have friends that know that I'm interested in soccer. A few of them
have made it a point to let me know that there is a new Soccer movie
coming out. Of course it's not about soccer but about the plane that
crashed with the soccer team aboard. It's called Alive and I've seen
some trailers for it. Does someone have a write up about the accident
and other information? Also if anyone has seen it can we get an idea
if it the film is any good?
[I think I know 75% of the story, but I would rather hear the real
 story instead of making embarrasing guesses]

|> 
|> Andy
|> 

Thanks,
jimd
-- 

			In theory, there is no difference between theory
			and practice.  But, in practice, there is.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cprjg@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Robert Goethel)
Subject: Re: Hereford v. Newcastle
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:26:24 GMT

        Because this was one of the few redeeming moments in 
	70's football. Supermac "I'll score 9" Macdonald and his
	cohorts were a pretty good 1st division team on inflated
	salaries and with heads to match.
	Hereford were part timers in the Southern League,
	(Now the Frimptons hot chicken chocolate fudge pie and
	chips league). 
	The result was no fluke - Utd had already drawn away 2-2 
	at St James's (which was actually a better result than the 
	eventual win).
	
	It was a really good game on a heavy pitch and when
	Supermac scored with about 6 mins to play - a soaring
	header above our full back who had a broken leg,
	they thought they were home and hosed.
	
	When Ron Radford stuck that wet greasy heavy ball in the net
	past Mcfaul from 40 yards I think every neutral in England
	was ecstatic, not only because Utd won but because they 
	deserved to - and they did it by playing attacking football. 
	(And it was no fluke - I saw Ron do that a lot of times - he was
	a great player.)

	I've only seen two great forward lines in my life - Brazil '70
	- Pele, Tostao, Jairzinho, and  that Utd formation of 
	Meadows, Owen, Tyler.     

	I think they should show that goal every week.
From: KEMCC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: NYC Local Soccer ??????????
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:11:07 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

hi,
   this post is for you lads living in the New York City area.
it's been two + years since i left South America. On the continent i played
football almost everyday. And now in NY i can't find a place or a team to
play with. If there is anyone out there who can help cure my blues, please
 do. I need a location in the Westchester(Mount Vernon/ Yonkers area),Manhattan
 or even the Bronx. I need to get hooked up with a team or local league if
 there is any. The only time i get to touch a ball is when my school plays
 in the Fall (only 2 months).
Soccer is an obsession for me. It's my life. I was born with the diease.
If I don't get to play all year round I will have to visit a doctor.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer