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From: TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET (Turgut Kalfaoglu)
Subject: Review: Praise and Demise
Reply-To: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:05:35 GMT

Howdy, I just got my CD player, and I thought I'd review some of the disks
I have:

TOOLWORKS MULTIMEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR MS-DOS

  This is probably the best CD I own. It has a wealth of information on
  almost anything you can think of. Plus, it has a large collection of
  pictures, sounds and video clips (with sound!).

  The main menu has different options, like 'Word Search', 'TimeLine'
  'Knowledge Tree' and 'Multimedia'. Word search allows you to construct
  elaborate search patterns - useful to lookup something in particular.
  Timeline is the history of the world - starts at 40.000 BC, goes until
  today. If anything you see listed is interested, you hit ENTER for more
  explanation.  "Knowledge Tree" is a separate index to the encyclopedia:
  by subjects. Like you can select Sciences, and then select Social Sciences,
  and then Psychology to see the articles on psychology.
  Multimedia is yet-another-index to the thing, and it's a large index -
  lots of pictures, live videos, sounds, on any subject from germination
  of a seed to flight of birds, to architecture..

  Pictures are in VGA format with very high definition, and about half of
  them also include sounds. Almost all videos include simultaneous sound
  as well, and videos last probably 1 minute each.

MULTIMEDIA WORLD ATLAS (I think by TOOLWORKS again)

  This is the shallowest CD I have - It's basically the same thing as the
  diskette version, with no information added. So you have a CD that
  probably has just 10 megabytes of information!
  It shows you the world picture. You click, it shows you the continent's
  picture, you click, it shows the country picture. That's it. You can't
  zoom in anymore. If you need a world atlas, don't get this CD.

  The positive thing about it are the statistics on each country. If you
  have used PC-GLOBE, it's almost the same, but this one runs under Windows.
  There are perhaps a thousand items of statistics, like Birth Rate,
  Crime Rate,SoyBean production,... the list is long.
  Another interesting thing is that when you click on something, it 'tells'
  you the map name using the sound card. Likewise, some of the help file
  is vocal - it just "tells" you the information. Lovely!

  I definitely don't recommend this software - perhaps the next version
  would be better, but it just doesn't seem worth the price.

I'll continue reviewing when I get a chance..  Regards, -turgut
From: paulchen@groucho.cs.uni-sb.de (Markus Bolz)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: HELP. Need caching program for CD-rom....
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:57:25
Organization: FB Informatik, Universit\"at des Saarlandes.
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: groucho.cs.uni-sb.de


Hello netters..

We are looking for a disk caching program, that is able to cache cd-roms.
The smartdrive from microsoft isn't able to do this. Are there any programs
available (commercial or not..)? Ahh, before I forget. This should work 
under MS-Windows also....

Please reply via mail to one of the following addresses as I'm in vacation
for the next two weeks. If there is a main interest in such programs, we 
will post a summary.

REPLY TO:
	rjw@multimedia.hq.de
or	
	pk@multimedia.hq.de


Thanx for your patience:
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From: ncpmont@angelo.amd.com (Mark Montgomery)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Toshiba info wanted
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:51:59 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA

In article <Orakel.66@sarpih.no> Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>In article <11536@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> plishka@wurzburg.cs.uofs.edu (Rich Plishka) writes:
>>In article <Orakel.63@sarpih.no>, Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>>|> I would like to get some more information about the Toshiba 3301 if
>>|> possible.
>>|
>
>>according to the toshiba folks in boston, the 3301 is out & the 3401 is in.
>>3401 - 200ms access   330kb transfer   256k buffer  scsi2
>
>I know about the 3401. But since I have no need for such a fast drive, I
>was looking at the cheaper 3301. The 3301 should also be discounted now
>that the 3401 is out.
>
>>|> First, what is the differences between the 3301 models ? I have seen 
>>|> 3301B and some others. 
>
>>B is internal   E - external  P - portable
>
>I have heard that the 3301BC is supposed to be multi-session. Can anyone
>conform this ? What's the price difference between the 3301B and 3301BC ?
>
>>looks like a drive to watch..  red book, yellow book, xa, photo-cd compliant
>
>And expensive...
>
>Jens Kr. Kirkeboe

I have both the 3301B and the 3401B so feel qualified to speak to
this issue.  Locally (Santa Clara, California, USA) the 3301's are
selling for ~$350-$400 and the 3401's are going for $499.  The 3401
is Photo-CD/multisession capable right out of the box(if your CD
driver supports this mode) but the 3301 is not.  The 3301 will,
however, read the first session of a multi-session disk or a single
session disk.  Toshiba America Disk Products Division (in southern
Calif) offers a 'send it in, get it back in a week' firmware upgrade
for the 3301 to make it multi-session capable for ~$90 that also
includes new drivers (they have several available, I have Future
Domain controller and they had drivers for it).  I'm happy with
both - the 3401 is blazing fast but appears to maybe have some
problems with multimedia (mixed data, audio, video) stuff that I am
currently working out with Toshiba Tech Support.
				Regards,  Mark

--
Mark Montgomery - Networks R' Us		| Disclaimer : Yes, it's mine!
Advanced Micro Devices, Network Products Div.	|______________________________
P.O.Box 3453, Mailstop 45			(408) 987-2368
Sunnyvale, CA. 94088				(mark.montgomery@amd.com)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: gloster@INFERENCE.COM ("Vance M. Gloster")
Subject: Toshiba 3401 Qs
Reply-To: "Vance M. Gloster" <gloster@INFERENCE.COM>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:58:50 GMT

  1)  Can I connect it to the PAS 16 sound card.  Do I have
  to purchase their kit?

Yes, you can connect to the PAS 16, and yes you need to buy the kit.
I paid $25 for the kit, it included an internal SCSI cable, an audio
cable, and the DOS device drivers for the card.  I do not have the
3401, I have the 3301, but I am certain it is the same for the 3401.
"Dumb" SCSI controllers like the one on the PAS cards (the Trantor
chip set) can use a single driver for most SCSI drives.  A more high
end card like the Adaptec often needs a different driver for each
drive.  The driver that came in the kit was all I needed to get my
Toshiba drive up and running,

  2)  Does the 3401 comes with all the necessary drivers and
  cables?

My 3301 came with no cables or drivers.

  3)  If I wish to get a SCSI adapter what do you recommend?
  I need it to be Windows-NT compatible and also hopefully
  can add other SCSI device to it next time.

Right now NT does not support anything Trantor (their cards or their
chip set on PAS cards).  I know, because I am running NT.  You might
contact Trantor directly and ask them if they are writing NT drivers.
At work we bought Adaptec 1542 cards which NT automatically recognises
during installation, and supports.  We do not yet have them working
under DOS, but I have the EZ-SCSI package on its way to me from
Adaptec, and this (we hope) will solve our problems.

The PAS 16 can support other SCSI devices, but you must get the
drivers directly from Trantor.  They have hard drive and SCSI tape
drivers which are not very expensive (less than $50).  The performance
is not incredibly good for fast hard drives, but it is adequate for
CD-ROM and SCSI tape.

-Vance Gloster
 gloster@inference.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: Toshiba TXM3301E1 and Adaptec 154X
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:52:00 GMT

I think you need the Adaptec EZ-SCSI For Dos/Windows version 1.0 REV-2b
P/N (from Adaptec) 537600. Also.  These drivers talk to APSI correctly.

But, I could be wrong.  EZ-SCSI sells for retail $79...


Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: CITENNEY@ECUVM1.BITNET ("Donnie W. Tenney")
Subject: CD-ROM's on a NOVEL File/Server
Reply-To: "Donnie W. Tenney" <CITENNEY@ECUVM1.bitnet>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:04:35 GMT

We would like some help with a recommendation of what to buy and possible
problems we might encounter with our configuration.....

We have 25 IBM PS/2 Model 56SLC's all connected via IBM/Token Ring to our
HOST IBM ES9000m210.  Currently they are only connected properly to allow
LASER Printer sharing.  We have ordered an IBM PS/2 Model 95 for a File/
Server.  The File/Server will be running Novel Software, not IBM LAN software,
and all our PC's connected to the Filer/Server will be using OS/2 2.0 Extended
Services.  The programmers using the 56SLC's are using them to develop systems
for the Mainframe with CSP/2AD and QMF.  CSP/2AD requires OS/2 and HPFS disk
assignment. IBM told us that Novel supports the HPFS so that should not be a
problem (if that is true).

NOW, I come to my problem/concern/question.... I want to provide all of IBM
Mainframe Manuals On-Line via a CD-ROM 6-platter Unit on the File/Server....
I will probably want to use IBM/BOOKMANAGER software also, unless someone has
a better (lower cost alternative).....
We need a good suggestion of what to buy from someone that has already done it!
The CD-ROM drive will be on the File/Server running under Novel LAN
Software and the workstations requesting CD-ROM access will be operating under
an OS/2 Desktop environment.... Can this be done and what should we buy?

========================================================================
Donnie W. Tenney, Financial Systems Manager    = = = = = = = = = = = = =
EAST CAROLINA UNIVERSITY                      ||   ___    ___          ||
Computing & Information Systems               ||  |___   |      |   |  ||
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Greenville, North Carolina  27858             ||                       ||
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: shiva@well.sf.ca.us (Kenneth Porter)
Subject: Apple, Toshiba, Procom, or Texel on PC
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:43:08 GMT

I've been waiting for the new double-speed multi-session drives to
come out before committing to a drive purchase. From what I've seen
here on the list, it looks like the Apple is the most tricked-out: it
has SCSI-2 audio commands and the ability to read non-CDROM data like
CD-Audio and CD-Graphics. All of the other drives are pretty similar
except that they lack these features.

Is the Apple available to PC owners, and would I expect any problems
hooking it up to a PC? (Target OS will probably be OS/2, and
occasionally Windows/DOS.) If not, I understand that the Apple drive
is really a Sony; when the drive is released under Sony's label, will
it still have the nifty extended feature set?

What advantages do the other drives have over the Apple?
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: What does Multi session mean?
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:18:30 GMT
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem

Typos.....

In my previous discussion of what is done for interpreting "Multisession"
PhotoCD media. I mityped Sony 8003 as "Sony 8001" sorry.

Also I gave too many people the impression that multisession was somehow
intended for HPotoCD or even ISO9660. In fact it (pure orange book
standard) was meant for multisession ANYTHING. Including a mutlisession
audio disk. Thats right, adding a new song to the end of a WORM CD.

But, as a prctical person, I am inclined to believe that Multisession will
be associated with the words "Kodak Photo CD" for many years to come.

I hope people remember multisessions roots.

-- Bill williams
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:6078 comp.os.linux:25676
From: Gess Shankar <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG>
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CDPublish: Discussion List for CDRom Publishing.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:14:22 EST
Reply-To: <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG> (Gess Shankar)
Organization: |<><>| Knowledge Exchange, GA, USA |<><>|

A few people have shown interest in the formation of and participation
in a _discussion list_ dealing with CD-Rom publishing. With the advent
of CD-R media, CD-Recorders & PhotoCD, interest is growing in issues
relating to these devices, premastering and creating CD-Roms conforming
to various standards and file & disc formats.

Though prices are coming down, this subject is likely to be interesting
only to a few already in the publishing field or those considering
acquiring such equipment. A discussion list (Mailing list) is most
appropriate for this purpose IMHO.

While the broad issues of optical publishing can be discussed, I propose
that the list focus on desktop cd recorders and the hardware/software
required to produce one-off cd's in the unix, msdos/windows/os/2 and
Macintosh environments.

If you are interested in such a discussion list, please email me. Your
suggestions on topics of interest within the field of publishing will be
most welcome and help me define the scope of the discussion list.

GeSS
-- 
eager to become arsonist by burning some cd's. :-)

Gess Shankar      |<><>|Internet: gess@knex.via.mind.ORG                |<><>|
Knowledge Exchange|<><>|{rutgers,ogicse,gatech}!emory!uumind!knex!gess  |<><>|
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: HELP. Need caching program for CD-rom....
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:31:29 GMT

paulchen@groucho.cs.uni-sb.de (Markus Bolz) writes:

>We are looking for a disk caching program, that is able to cache cd-roms.
>... This should work under MS-Windows also....

Is there such a thing for Macs, too ?  (Apple CD300i drive)

Sven :)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Subject: Re: New Mitsumi -- Driver loaded high w/QEMM?
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:54:52 GMT

In article <C14w3L.BnE@solaria.mil.wi.us> smp@solaria.mil.wi.us (Steven M. Palm) writes:
>Has anyone managed to load the device driver for the NEW Mitsumi drive,
>the LU-005S, high using QEMM?
>
>I've got 6.02 of QEMM, but everytime the driver tries to come up when
>asked to load high, it just freezes, and doesn't load.  The system isn't
>ENTIRELY locked up, as the numlock light still toggles and I can reset
>with a C-A-D, but the driver never loads high.
>
>Anyone having loaded it high with QEMM who would like to pass the info on
>to me would be much appreciated.

I've read about this problem several times now.  I just picked one up last
night and had no problem load everything high with QEMM 6.02.  Perhaps I
got newer drivers?  My only problem is that I can't use the DMA option of
MTMCDE.SYS with Sherlock Holmes or Carmen Sandiego.  It could have
something to do with my soundboard.  Simtel works great with DMA option.

I'll bring in my disk tomorrow and see if we have different versions.  If
so, I'll mail mine out to anyone who needs newer ones.  I'll also try to
bring in my config.sys and autoexec.bat if our drivers are the same.

-- 
=============================================================================
Mark Harrison           |  "We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
harrison@sun.lclark.edu |   Our great computers fill the hallowed halls."
              -- Me     |                                    -- Rush
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,bit.listserv.cdromlan
From: stealth@wet.UUCP (James Yin)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: adult video on CD
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:47:50 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

I have heard that there are companies sell adult movies on CD to be played
on Mac or IBM PC's. If you know the companies, please post their names,
and phone numbers please. Thank you.
From: garyk@uugary.UUCP (Gary Kaufman)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROM's for Sale or Trade
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:25:08 GMT
Reply-To: garyk@nlbbs.rn.com
Distribution: world
Organization: The Northern Lights BBS * Portland, Maine * 207-762-4782 (v.32bis)

                     CDROMS FOR SALE OR TRADE:

Window Book Library Release 4 - Hypertext Library includes
    WinDos, Interupt Lists, Ada Manuals etc                        $20
Sony Electronic Book Demo Disc - Data Discman Emulator and
    demonstration of the missing childrens database.  3" disc
    with adapter ring to play in standard CD drives                $20
Nautilus Multimedia CDROM Demo - Graphics, Music, Shareware, MIDI. $15
Helgerson CD-ROM Sourcedisk November 1990                          $15
Microsoft Windows CDROM - Hundreds of Megabytes of Microsoft Windows
    Programs from the CICA Windows collection at Indiana Univ.     $20
Software Toolworks CD Game Pack ( Life&Death, Chessmaster etc..)   $20
Marketing Master - Prospecting lists among prominent corporations  $20

Looking for any Medical Related Software, Beethoven Symphony #9, or
other interesting CD-ROM's
--
     Gary Kaufman       |        garyk@nlbbs         |
   24 Morning Street    |  nlbbs!garyk@uunet.uu.net  |
  Portland, ME  04101   |            -=-             |
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,comp.fonts
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: WANTED: Adobe Type On Call CD-ROM
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:06:00 GMT

I'm interested in obtaining an unused Adobe Type-on-Call CD-ROM.  If
you have one for sale please contact me by mail.

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk (Vince Apps)
Subject: British Software Licensing              
Reply-To: vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:52:00 +0000

> are there any other UK sources for Walnut Creeks CD's.

Yes, Apex Software on (0424) 830025 or email vincea@cix.compulink.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Matsushita + SB-PRO = HELP!!!
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:51:38 GMT

07pccl@ac.dal.ca wrote:
: Good morning - the Lurker speaketh...HELP!  I've read the FAQ, but I can't seem
: to find a solution.  I have a new Matsushita CR-521 (not a speed demon, but hey  - -

I believe we have the same drive.
: like the K-car, it gets ya where ya wanna go) and a SB-PRO.  I have the cables 
It is fast enough for me.
: connected properly (light comes on at boot-up), but, I get an error message
: saying that the drive and/or card aren't ready.  I've figured that a jumper
At what state is this? Is it after autoexec had been executed? 

: has to be set on the card, but which? how?  I should point out that the drive

Why don't you post your config.sys and autoexec.bat?
When you install the disk, can you see the green light on?

: is an OEM model I bought from a supplier (I work at a campus computer store),
: and there was no FM to read.  They have no experience with a SBPRO, so I'm on
: my own.  Does anyone out there know what I should do?  I THINK I have the proper
: lines set up in config.sys and autoexec.bat, but if anyone has a similar setup
: I'd appreciate some feedback.  E-mail or post here.  If I get E-mail, I'll
: summarize.  Thanks!


: Craig Levine				clevine@ac.dal.ca
: Dalhousie University				or
: Halifax, N.S. Canada			07pccl@ac.dal.ca

--
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Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
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From: duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Duane W Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Microsoft ENCARTA CD ROM Encyclopedia --- Any comments?
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:08:39 GMT

I'm interested in hearing comments about the Microsoft Multimedia
Encyclopedia on CD ROM, "Encarta".

* What are your reactions to it?
* How is the user interface?
* How robust and accurate is the information?
* How does it compare with other Encyclopedia CD ROMs?
  + Grolier's Multimedia
  + Compton's Multimedia
* Where is the best place to buy it?

Email or post to this group.  If I get sufficient email response,
I'll post the summary to this group.  Thanks.

--
Duane Moore     T & M Service Engineering      78-649
Tektronix, Inc.    PO Box 500    Beaverton, OR  97077
(503) 627-6589              duanem@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM
 
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: dmw@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Weir)
Subject: Hitachi cdr-1553S Help PLease
Keywords: Hitachi
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:44:38 GMT

A while ago I thought I found a gold mine.  At a yard sale someone was selling a
CDR-1553S Hitachi Drive for $25.  I scooped it up and didn't ask to many questions.
 However I am having problems getting the correct cables for it.  The drive came
with a CD-IFI4-A interface card.  I have tried numerous times to get Hitachi and
their distributor to send me the correct cable but they seem to have a problem
understanding their own equipment.  The CD unit has a 50 pin centronics connector
on it and the interface card has a 37 pin regular connection.  They have sent me
the CD-CBL-S which is a 50-50 centronics conections cable.  

Long story but here is my question.  Could some one with the CDR-1553S drive
please tell me what cable and or connection do I need to hook this thing up?  Do
I need just a converter at this point from centronics 50 to DB37?  (unfortunately
the seller did not have a manual.

	Thanks........................................Dan
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford)
Subject: Re: MSCDEX loading hi?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:18:26 GMT

>>>>Can one load MSCDEX high using QEMM 6.0X?  If so, could someone explain
>>>>to me how to do it, or point me to a source that can?

This file can load high, but it takes more space to load then it
occupies in memory.  LOADHI has an option to tell QEMM this so it
will handle it properly.  I've been unable to get SQUEEZE to assist
in this, but it will load high.
-- 
Keith E. Ford     __
Intergraph Corp  /  \ Micro Magic BBS 1:373/12  The Dragon Server
+1 205 730-8614  \__/ sysop@umagic.fidonet.org  server@ingr.com
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: hubich@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Chad D. Hubich)
Subject: Need help sourcing info for CD-ROM mastering equipment
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:32:13 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

Hello,
	Subject says it all! We're looking for anything to do with CD-ROM 
	mastering technology, including hardware, software, suppliers, manuf's.

	Specifically, we're looking for a list of suppliers/manufacturers and
	a brief description including phone number.

	Any help will be appreciated. Any information may be forwarded to
	hubich@cs.uregina.ca.

Thanks in Advance,
--
Chad
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Which drive is better?
From: Ke-Wei Ma <km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:44:30 -0500 
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

    It seems that the next generation of CD-ROM drives has arrived.  I
was curious if anyone has any opinions which drive is beter: SONY
CDU-561 or the Toshiba 3301XA.  Both are Photo-CD multisession and CD
X/A compatible and specs seem to be the same, so whats separates them
apart from one another?  BTW, I wish to use it with an Adaptec 1542b
under OS/2.

Ke-Wei
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,misc.forsale.computers