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From: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Race results : Fleche Wallone
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:59:44 GMT

This year's Fleche Wallone was very thrilling. The last 5 km decided the
race.

1. Furlan (Italy, Ariostea)       5:29:22
2. Rue (France)                     +0:09
3. Cassani (Italy, Ariostea)        +0:16
4. Ekimov (GUS)                     +0:16
5. Delgado (Spain, Banesto)         +0:23
6. Kvalsvoll (Norway, Z)            +0:30

Argentin (Italy, Ariostea), the winner of the last two years, was very active.
Ariostea's team showed clever tactics - and won. Delgado back in the top ranks?
Theunisse (Netherlands) could be seen in the lead very often, too. 

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From: allana@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Allan Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:22:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Biking in N. Italy
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

I was fortunate enough to spend two and a half days in the area around
Tirano and Bormio. The biking was superb. I rode the Stelvio, the Gavia,
the Aprica, and the Bernina passes. The weather was beautiful, the
passes were challenging, and the descents were exhilirating. The canyon
between Bormio and Tirano was tough, though as there was a fierce south
wind that impeded my progress.

As for Italian drivers, they are crazy. They will nearly run down
pedestrians, and when they drive, they yell "katza katza" at other
drivers. They will line up narrow alleyways and drive through them at
kamikaze speeds, narrowly missing their mirrors by inches. After
observing this behaviour, I expected that they would treat bicyclists
rudely. Not so! They are stunningly polite to bicyclists and many, many
ways. Not only will they not run you off the road, but they will go out
of their way to wait for a few minutes to pass you with much room, even
if they are truck drivers with a heavy load and a schedule to keep.
Furthermore, after they pass you climbing a pass, they'll pull over, and
when you pass they'll yell "Bravo! Bravo!" at you as well as bunch of
other Italian words which I don't understand. All I can muster to yell
back is "No parla Italiano" and I smile and wave.

Eating in Italy can be quite frustrating as the restaurants close
between 3 and 7 and I was typically finishing my rides around 3 to 4:30.
Once the restaurants do open, they are excellent and quite affordable.

Ciao dudes!

Allan
From: mk@bigfoot.first.gmd.de (Matthias Kessler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted: Light Saddles
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:55:10 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 12, Germany (West)

Has anyone seen the new carbon flite saddle? I've heard that this
babe weights only 130g. I've seen it advertised in a lot of magazines
but they haven't arrived here in germany.

Any experiences with this saddle??

-- 
 Matthias Kessler, GMD-FIRST|     mk@gmdtub.uucp     | One Less Car !
 Germany, W1000 Berlin 12   |      or                | Zappa for President
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From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cupertino Bike Shop Swap Meet April 26th(Silicon Valley)
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:01:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

In article <1992Apr7.231856.17715@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
> bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
> >Cupertino Bike Shop will be offerring special deals on all 1991
> >bikes and several manufacturer's representatives will be in attendence.
> I suppose most people know that it is considered extremely poor taste to post 
> commercial items in a Internet newsgroup.  if you object to this as I do
> please send e-mail to this guy letting him know that.  I for one do not
> want to see rec.bicycles become littered with commercial advertisments.
> -Terry

As the original poster of this thread, I agree with Terry that commercial
advertisements are in poors taste.  However, the part of my posting that
Terry left out(inadvertently or not):

	Anonymous Bike shop is holding a bicycle parts swap meet......
	Road, mountain and tandem bikes and parts are welcome.

indicates that a bicycle parts swap meet is taking place.  For those not
familiar with this type of activity, it is a forum for cyclists to buy
and sell bicycle parts.  Since this activity is very similar to
people selling bikes and parts on the network, I felt that it was OK to
make the posting.

If I had posted something like:

	The Anonymous Bike Shop is having a storewide sale, everything
	is 50% off.  Go to Anonymous Bike Shop and save big bucks!!!

I think that would have been innapropriate.  I am sorry if I offended
anyone, but I think that the posting was appropriate given that the main
reason for having the event was a bicycle parts swap meet.

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jennings@stortek.com (Jeff Jennings)
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Organization: Storage Tek
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:26:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.171503.21267@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
>suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal? 
>
>Does anyone have any anecdotes on this?
>
>-dk

A friend of mine (don't you hate these kind of stories) had a car make a left
turn in front of him, causing him to hit the car and stop very suddenly.  He
was using LOOKs with adjustable tension (this was a couple years ago, I 
don't remember the model number.)  Anyway, he had the release tension really
tight, since he'd had trouble pulling out of the pedals on steep uphills.
As it turned out, maybe a bit too tight, because the shoes stayed attached to
the bike while he went over the top of the car.   Did nasty things to the
ligaments and such in his ankles (also to his head, no helmet, but that's
a different question). 

So adjustment of release tension is critical in situations like this.

- jeff

-- 
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jennings@stortek.com   | Judging from realistic simulations involving a
Storage Technology     | sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we
Iceberg - LSVL 2A      | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:49:45 GMT

In article <AD0834.92Apr9192428@eve.albany.edu> ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.022854.8661@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
>   Andy Dickinson (ad0834@csc.albany.edu) writes:
>   > 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
>   > question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
>   > cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
>   > least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
>   > non-leather shoes?
>
>   Is it okay to wear shoes made from the leather of critters that died of 
>   natural causes?
>Well... I would say that it is.  But it's kind of a moot question --
>the animals used to make shoes do not die of natural causes.  For some
>reason, I tend to think that animals that die of natural causes aren't
>really used for anything...
>
>Anyway.... there certainly aren't any biking shoes made out of leather
>from cows that died naturally... oh well...

I would venture to guess that most leather is gotten from animals that were
raised for their meat.  Not the other way around.

Has very little to do with bicycles, but as an evironmentally conscious
person I would rather have leather and other natural materials in my
garments and footwear than synthetic ones.  I don't think buying leather
supports the cow-tormenting industry in any way that is not overwhelmed
by beef buyers.  And it is natural, and won't be on earth in 1000 years when
it's worn out like synthetic shoes will. I don't know where this thread
should lead to but if anyone would like to redirect it please do so...
-- 
James A. Treworgy    "And it all would be so crystal clear, if it wasn't for
jamie@digex.com         the foam..."          (jamie@sun.astro.wesleyan.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans)
Subject: tubing question
Organization: Mad Artists' Hangout, Vancouver, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:14:05 GMT

What's Reynolds 453 tubing?  I know about 451, my decal says 453.
From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an acc
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.171231.11089@husc3.harvard.edu>, kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes...
>Kevin, you never told us the technodweeb info!
>1) What kind of steerer tube sheared

	A cro-mo Schwinn fork.  I don't hold Schwinn responsible because my 
wife and a friend I ride with often tell me that I cowboy too much when I ride
(although personally I think I'm a coward).  My wife says she has been waiting
(not anxiously though) for something to happen at that very place that the 
crash occured because the way I fly (literally) into the parking lot.  Lance,
my riding bud, said I had to stop riding my road bike like a mountain bike (BTW,
I know that quite a few posters indicated that there is no qualitative 
difference between a road bike and a mountain bike, but I believe there is.  I'm
positive that my road bike couldn't even begin to handle the terrain I ride on
off-road (or at least handle the way I ride that terrain).  Besides, in a weird 
sort of way, I enjoyed the wreck.  I really didn't get hurt, and it was exciting
as hell.  P.S., I had plenty of warning, there was a creaking sound coming from
the front end of the bike, and I was on my way to the shop to check it out
(although I doubt I would have pulled the fork in my efforts to find the source
of the sound). 

>2) what kind of pedals released?

	Avant sport pedals (also called talon pedals).  They are fairly 
uncommon.  They are little plastic squares with a hoop protruding from the 
front.  They only release by pushing down and out (I don't know how they
released when I crashed.

>3) Would you have been worse off if they hadn't released?

	I'm not sure.  Although off-road I like to hold onto the bike to 
prevent it from crashing down on me during a biff, at least this time the 
frame didn't crack up against my shin - which sometimes happens off-road.

					Cars generally suck
					and wrecking sucks more,
						
							Kevin

>-Case
From: u1155@jsp.umontreal.ca (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: 26" vs 700c
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:37:21 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Originator: u1155@spp2.jsp.umontreal.ca

To: Ken_Goodrich@gcdmacs.larc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Well firstly 26" wheels are stronger. But more importantly, especialy with
the fact that mountain bike tires have a much bigger tire, is rotational
inertia, when you plop a 1.75 pound tire at the end of a rim the mass is
noticible, and if we were to use 700c wheels we would have to work much
harder at getting over obsticles. (which most of us have a handful of 
already!) due to the deceleration and acceleration (rotational) force 
needed. I do realize that 700c tires, due to the fact that they have less
rim bend per inch (I do not know of a technical term for this), can get over
obsticals easier, but they must be accelerated, which when you are always
trying to do in mountain biking (down a hill, up a hill, over a bump, arround
the corner, speed up slow down...) can drain alot of energy! In road racing
much of the racing is done at constant speed (more or less) and not much
acceleration/deceleration is needed. 

Your mention about "... if roadies have found 27/700 wheels to be the best
comprimise between fit and performance..." has no validity. I mean we are
of two different breeds, with different needs. The fittest survive in their
domain! (not to mention some road riders, especially TT-ers and crit racers
are using 26" rims due to their weight saving, less rim, less spokes (26"
ARE stronger due to geometric reasons), possibly smaller frame (a-la
Quintana Super-Roo). The only place where weight would have to be added
is for larger chainrings to make up for the grearing loss, but how much more
does a 56-58T compared to a 52-53T?)

Michael Bertrand
Share the trails... Peace on dirt!
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Knee Pain
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:08:27 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard) writes:
> GE.SAW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sally Waddell 3-3554) writes:
> > I am beginning to experience knee pain. ...
> > ...
> > 2) Added Shimano clipless pedal system (recessed mtn bike model).
> > ...

> By the way, I rode all year on the same Shimano pedals as you.

Correction.  I used Shimano PD7401 pedals and Arc cleats, NOT the same
as your Shimano mtn. bike pedals, which I assume provide NO rotational
freedom.

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ari@world.std.com (Ari I Halberstadt)
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:31:49 GMT

In article <57024@cup.portal.com> you write:
>Finally, do like everyone else I knew in college - just pop the seat/post
>off and stuff it in your backpack.
 
Securing a bike in Cambridge is real easy. Being a mortal, I operate
on limited funds and therefore I'm fairly careful to remove my seat
and properly lock up the front wheel. But most students just lock up
the rear wheel on really nice bikes that cost more than mine. So,
instead of even bothering with my bike, a thief can just attack
a more vulnerable bike.
 
If you remove the seat post, you should block the tube with some
sort of water resistant cap to prevent rain from destroying your
bottom bracket or corroding the inside of the body.

-- 
Ari Halberstadt       ari@world.std.com             #include <std/disclaimer.h>
Ramsgate (n.) All institutional buildings must, by law, contain at least twenty
ramsgates. These are doors that open the opposite way to the one you expect.
	-- D. Adams & J. Lloyd "The Meaning of Liff", p75.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Subject: Stem/Handlebar Failure
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:01:36 GMT

Greetings folks!

	My old Peugeot, which has been holding up fine for the past 16
	years, is starting to make an ominous "popping" or "clicking"
	sound from the region of the handlebar or the stem when I put
	stress on it in hill climbing, etc.  Is this just an adjustment
	I need to make or is it a harbinger of failure of one of the
	components?  What is the usual failure mode of these things?  I
	don't want to replace components unnecessarily, but then again I
	don't want to do an endo far away from home and aid, either.

	All responses will be appreciated.

	Thanks!
    John Sims


-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
From: pcc@kadima.s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: FOR SALE OR TRADE = Italian Road Bike
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:27:10 GMT
Reply-To: pcc@s1.gov
Organization: LLNL
Originator: pcc@kadima.s1.gov


I am looking to sell or trade (for 54cm) my 52cm bike. Here is a
description :

Frame is Columbus Alle tubing with campy dropouts. Bottom Bracket 
& Crankset is Ofmega. Shifters & Derailleurs are Campy Nuovo Record. 
Wheels have Campy hubs and Ambrosio ELite rims. Headset & Seat post 
is Campy. Stem & Bars are 3TTT. Italia Turbo sadle. Dia Compe 400 
brakeset. Campy toe clips. 

I have priced a similarly equipped bike (same tubing, crankset, brakes,
but lesser quality wheels & Derailleurs) at Truman sports in Modesto, CA
at $700. I am asking $550, or trade for an equivellantly equipped 54cm 
bike.

If you are interested, please e-mail or call (510) 423-8316.


Phil 
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From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Vitus 979 Dural aluminum frame
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:58:52 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <33050055@hpmwnpd2.HP.COM> allana@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Allan Armstrong) writes:
>My 3 1/2 year old Mondonico still looks pretty nice, but it's starting
>to rust. I figure I'll have to replace the frame in another 2-3 years
>for mostly cosmetic reasons. My Vitus has never shown any signs of rust.
>Great bike.
>
>Allan

Unless you have cracked the frame or some such thing, it would be
cheaper to have it repainted.  There is nothing nicer looking than
a custom paint job done well. (You would be suprised at how new
and lively it makes your bike feel :) ).
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#  macintyr@bigmips.tamu.edu             Texas A&M University               #
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Multiple Free Laps
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:15:51 GMT

The anonymous jyk50@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>I maybe confused about this new free lap rule but it sounds like you
>are allowed any number of free laps no matter what the race promoter
>says.

The free lap rule applies only if the organizer explicitly says that
it does in the official race announcement.

>For instance, I was in a crit last weekend and the race promoter
>said there were no (as in zero) free laps.  At the time I wasn't aware of
>the free lap rule.  Was this promoter violating the free lap rule?  Even
>though he said no free laps, could we still have taken some and not have
>been in violation?

No to both questions.



--
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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 27 inch vs. 700C availability?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:17:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr6.075503.23227@ericsson.se> etxorst@eos.ericsson.se writes:
>In article 16190221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM, sharp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Darrin Sharp) writes:
>
>622 mm rims ("700C") are much more popular in most parts of continental
>Europe (and peninsular parts like Scandinavia :-). I believe your (=
>American) penchant for 630 mm (27") rims is rooted in the old British
>empire while the 622 dimension is sometimes referred to as "French".
>
>Anyway, up here in the cold north, you *can* get 28-630 and 32-630
>(1 1/8" and 1 1/4" 700C) tires at most bike shops but they might be

Wait a second!  In the first paragraph, you say that 622mm rims are 700C,
and 630mm rims are 27".  But then in the second paragraph, you say that
28-*630*  are the 700C tires.  How can this work if 630mm is the 27" rims?
From what you say, these numbers should be 28-622 and 32-622 for the 700C
rims, not what you have down.  Please explain!

	Confused,
		James Gourgoutis
		Senior, Mechanical Engineering
		University of Pittsburgh
		e-mail me at:  JWGST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
		Thanks!
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (Prof. David F. Rogers (AeroEng  FACULTY) <dfr@usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: folding bike wanted
Keywords: folding bike, wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:31:47 GMT
Distribution: usa

I'm looking to buy a used folding bicycle. Something
like a Dahon 16" 3 speed or 16" 5 speed.

Please email responses as I don't normally read this group

Dave Rogers
dfr@usna.navy.mil

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jeff@dspprd.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Subject: Re: riding up stairs
Organization: /tmp_mnt/auto/home_dsp/users/jeff/.organization
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:20:19

>Now that we've established that it's ok to ride a properly maintained ATB
>down stairs, could a few of you rad riders give me some hints on your
>techniques for riding up stairs?

How 'bout those stairs in Amsterdam :-)
From: chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alex Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Taiwanese tyres
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:00:02 +1200
Organization: Chem Dept, UoC NZ

> From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)

> I've had that happen on Weinmann stainless steel rims (yecch!) and on
> Mavic M3:s. In no case was the wheel in question out of true.

>  Long before the tread is worn out,
>  the cheap fabric reinforcing the sidewall breaks along the bead and
>  BANG.

and from an email message from :-

>> Tim Olson

>> I had a blowout of the rear tire which seperated the
>> sidewall from the bead, .........

>> I'm not actually sure *what* caused the blowout I had, but my theory is
>> that it was due to a pinched tube (I had changed a flat the previous day)
>> somehow pushing the tire over the rim, where the brakes immediately
>> wore through it and caused the blowout.  Very strange.

>> The rims are Sun, by the way [US manufacturer].

Including myself, I know of 5 people who have had problems
with some makes of tyres tearing the bead from the sidewall.
In my case the tyres were IRC and they never gave any
trouble on steel rims. This was before I started using Cheng
Shins'.

It appeared to be caused by the aluminium of the rim being
soft enough for the threads in the tyre to "dent" it and
form a "saw blade" which cut its way through.

Two of us changed to Wolber 58 and 59 rims and have had no
problems since.

So, we have 6 Mavics (12, two to a bike, before some smart
accountant type counts :-)), a Sun and a stainless rim. What
experience has anyone else had concerning rims and sidewall
seperation problems?
 
-- 

Alex Ferguson - chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
bicycles ridden, mountains climbed, kayaks paddled, electronics fixed
Chemistry Department, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cupertino Bike Shop Swap Meet April 26th(Silicon Valley)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:18:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr7.231856.17715
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>Cupertino Bike Shop will be offerring special deals on all 1991
>bikes and several manufacturer's representatives will be in attendence.
I suppose most people know that it is considered extremely poor taste to post 
commercial items in a Internet newsgroup.  if you object to this as I do
please send e-mail to this guy letting him know that.  I for one do not
want to see rec.bicycles become littered with commercial advertisments.
-Terry