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From: patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:19:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Figure it out yourself.

In article <1993Jan3.140020.14275@umiami.ir.miami.edu> dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:


				   MEMO
				   ----


  TO:Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
	   others who post *really* obscene and offensive material

   FROM:D. Pereira and others,
	   Indignant and frustrated readers

Ahem.  I have no use for the all-out brawl that's occurred in this
newsgroup, either -- but you don't speak for me.  

   REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
	   SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN

 After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
 to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
 copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
 action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
 will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
 He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
 be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
 evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)

<sigh> Tell me something -- is anyone FORCING you to read this newsgroup?
No?  Then here's a couple of free clues, ones you seem to be in desperate
need of -- one, do you know what the "n" key is used for in most
newsreaders?  You know where it's located on the keyboard, I take it -- so
use it.  That'll save your time *and* others'.  Two -- if your newsreader
supports the use of killfiles, learn how to use them.

What you're going to accomplish, very likely:  you'll have quite a few
admins just the least bit ticked off at *you*, for wasting their time, and
some of them might respond in kind, since you seem to be one for threatening
legal action.  I can assure you from personal experience -- you're cutting
off your nose to spite your face.

 If any other sci readers out there decide to support this action, then please
 express your opinion.  A suggestion: extract this memo and post it again under
 your own name.  Do please take the effort to type the SUBJECT heading over,
 rather then doing a REPLY.  This way you will convey to the offenders that you
 feel as strongly about this.

 A final note to the persons mentioned above - please take this very seriously.
 It is NOT a joke.

I'm sure you're completely serious about it.  That in no way compels anyone
else to take it just as seriously, though, whether you like it or not --
especially since I scanned through almost 1200 article headers in this
newsgroup, and YOU didn't make an appearance until four days ago.
Obviously, you aren't a Norman Vincent Peale fan.  :-)

--PLH, net.cop.wannabes -- they *never* learn...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Hindu Marriage Rituals
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.131438.16359@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.210502.1701@oracorp.com> narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>
>>Madhuparkham as Ashubham. Madhuparkam is a Telugu custom 
>
>Now no one in TN considers "turmeric" as Asubham. In fact they use that
>profusely with KumKumum for any 'subha kArya'. But any TN bramin would have
>objected to bride wearing a 'white' Maduparkham for U may know what white
>saree means to a woman in S.India.
>

That is the problem. A madhparkham is a eyllow garment. A pure white
cotton saree is dipped in Termeric water and then dried. When it
is dried it gets coated with yellow color. Do youn see that,
it is to that the objection came from. There are some communities
in AP who wear a white saree (pure white) with a small broder
for marriage. If you do not know white is considered by many Andhras
as pure and chaste.

>>imbibed by the vaisnavites in AP. They consider that Termeric
>>as a symbol of happiness.
>>
>>There are some rituals that go in the preparation of the
>>Madhuparkhams.
>>
>>...kt
>>
>
>
>raghavan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: hyderabadi muslims, patriotism etc,.
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:16:40 GMT

(Satyanand V. Jayanthi) writes:
>
>Right, there can be many hindus who are unpatriotic ( in many ways ). But
>i dont think you will find any hindu being loyal to some other country just
>because it is a hindu majority country. Infact not just hindus, its not 
>found in any other religion(except islam). 

I see your point. Behavior of a fraction of Muslims, motivated by malice
towards India, has been so extensively reported that we should take
it to be true. Even though most Muslims do not belong to this class,
their patriotism is tainted by the actions of a few. 

[I don't quite agree with your point on this being without a parallel.
 Jews in US extend political, moreal and economic support to Israel.]

>:Abstracting one level: Hindus by default are patriotic and the same 
>:cannot be said of Muslims, because the behavior of a few has cast 
>:enough doubt.
>
>:An analogy: If a man says "Women don't know how to find their
>:way about" we readily call him a sexist. But if a woman says
>:that we give her the benefit of doubt and attribute her
>:comment to disinterested observation. 
>
>What you said above is true. Hindus by default are assumed to be patriotic.
>And may be the same privelege is not granted onto muslims. But my experiences
>have all along strengthened my suspicions. I am not talking about isolated
>incidents because they just could be isloated. I have in mind large scale
>demonstration of these pro pakistani emotions on a number of occasions.
>
Glad we agree on that!

Satya Prabhakar

--
______________________________________________________________
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					-Ortega Y' Gasset
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Chicago to Memphis : Ride wanted.
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:58:47 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Hi guys,

I am looking for a ride from Chicago to Memphis. I will share the gas.
If you driving from or through Chicago to/through Memphis and would like
to give me a ride, email me. I would like to travel anytime from tomorrow
to the 5th.

Bijoy
t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
From: godura@nori.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:28:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.153650.46042@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>  Man (lady Ruchira), you are really good. This *is* exactly what I did when
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ai beta, eta kintu barabri holo. Naam niye podpakami korbi na ,
boledilam !! :-)
Ruchir

-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
From: ghosh@cs.pitt.edu (Sunondo Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED IN PITTSBURGH
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:49:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Roommate wanted in Pittsburgh
	- 2 bedroom apartment
	- 15 minutes walk from U. Pitt. and CMU
	- Rent 570$
	- To be shared by 3 students

Call (412) 621-0825. Leave message on answering machine if
not available.

Sunondo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajesh@Tandem.com (Rajesh Srivastava)
Subject: Article in Wall Street Journal
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:36:50 GMT

Please read the Dec 31, 1992 issue of Wall Street Journal. Mr. Imran Anwar has
written an article on page A7 - India: The Ugly Religious Reality Behind the Secular
Myth. 

-Rajesh



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Re: Languages of assam ( Was Re: alt.cultu
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:02:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.034831.11501@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
>samit,  U miss the whole point ofthe assam agitation, in responding to the
>statement by raj das...
>
>When assam was dismembered to create nagaland, tripura, meghalaya etc...
>assam was the bully :-  the cultural diversity that existed in those
>areas was under danger of destruction under the assamese juggernaut (comparitively).
>
>We have a saying in telugu :-
>
>moguDuki moguDu		<and>		monagaaDiki monagaaDu
>
>translates to the `there is always a male who is superior to the male U thought was the strongest'
>
>
>Identically, the tables are now turned and now the assamese fear that they will be
>extinct swept away by the bengali tidal wave...
>
>Shouldnt they have an area that are in majority and in which their culture is all that
>exists...?
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)


First, one comment! Please restrict the line length to 60 chars per line.
That is easier to read.

Next, Are you sure that Assamese imperialism was used on Naga, Mizo,
and other tribal people? Are you sure that it is not Bengali imperialism
of the Assamese immigrant Bengalis?

It comes to my mind for the following reason:

When I was in Twente Tech. Univ. in Holland, I had a colleague
who was a trotskyite. He was a Bengali and was close to some
of the inner circles of the CPM. He used to discuss (project)
the breaking up of the north-eastern parts of the union,
namely Bengal, BanglaDesh, Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya,
Arunachal, and Nagaland. His basis was Bengali imperialism
in which refugees from Bangladesh and immigrants from Bengal
flood the other states and change the character of these
states to Bengali. Because Bengalis (he considers) are pink,
and because North-eastern states are remote from Delhi
(he used to give me projections of stationed battalion
 strengths of various corps, and their mobility characteristics)
he used to say that the center cannot simply keep control
of the states if Bengalis rebeled and formed a separate
nation. There was another political refugee (of Tiger Siddique's
faction) at Twente who was apparently developing the thesis.
This Bangladesh guy was smuggled out by AI from Bangladesh
and was working for Ph.D in International studies. This
was very long ago.

So things are not that easy to analyze when north-east
is conecerned.
...kt
.
From: pmohanty@alnitak.usc.edu (Praveen Mohanly)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: AIPSG Annual Conference Announcement
Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:20:52 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu




              SECOND ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF THE 
      ASSOCIATION OF INDIAN PROGRESSIVE STUDY GROUPS


Program:
         1. Annual Report - Review of work over last year
            including work on Indian Philosophy, definition of
            rights, etc.
         2. Narasimha Rao's Reforms - An overview
         3. Destruction of the Babri Masjid and the current
            political crisis in India

In addition to the plenary sessions, there will be workshops
scheduled in order to have the broadest possible discussion on
the AIPSG program for 1993.


         Date:  December 31, 1992, 7 pm - Reception
                January 1 & 2, 1993, 10 am - Discussion on program

         Place: Community Center
                2733 Lakeshore Blvd. West
                Etobicoke, Toronto, Canada

Everyone interested in the work of AIPSG is invited to attend.
There is a registration fee of $5.00 for the conference. Lunch
and dinner will be available.

For more information please contact:
    IPSG Toronto at (416) 503-9470
              or
    AIPSG, Earl Hall, Columbia University, New York, NY 10027
    Tel. or Fax. (212) 749-5719



-- 

_______________________________________________________________________________
Praveen Mohanty, (213)-665-2310  pmohanty@usc.edu 
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: guptar@ucs.orst.edu (Rakesh Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 1992 11:26:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu





 
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Merry Christmas to you and your family, and all the best in the New Year,


Rakesh Gupta
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:06:18 GMT

hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:


>Dear Raj Saheb,

>Thanks for your article about the Saudi news on the christian preacher's
>sentence of death on Christmas day.

>I have first hand experience of Saudi Arabia. I have lived and worked in
>Al-Khobar for two years in th 80's. 

>The only thing Islam and Saudi Arabia has in common is the fact that God
>chose out of all the people, the arabs to send His most important and
>last prophet. THE REASON: THEY NEEDED TO BE CIVILIZED THE MOST , AND STILL DO
>...

	NOW , I THINK GOD HAS TO START SENDING HIS PROPHETS TO 

	PAKISTAN , TO CIVILIZE THE CITIZENS OF A TERRORIST STATE .


	HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

	O' GOD , PLEASE DO SO !

>When I say that, I say it with all the conviction and belief of a muslim
>who is VERY WELL INFORMED ABOUT practices of so called muslim countries.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	FROM YOUR ARTICLES IT DOESN"T SEEM SO .

>However, Raj, the law in Saudi Arabia is not based upon Islam but on the
>pagan/kafir nature of the people of that area. Besides, the government will
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	YOUR COUNTRY IS  EVEN WORSE , WHERE A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED

	PRIME MINISTER CAN BE HANGED BY AN ARMY GENERAL .


	HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

	OOOOH !  HOW REDICULOUS !!!

	BELIEVE ME , SHAMS , YOUR COUNTRY SETS UNIQUE EXAMPLES .

	WORSE THAN SAUDI ARABIA .

	HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO !!!




>not carry out the execution now that it is out of their little police state.

>So, everyone RELAAAAXX!! this is not the first time the Saudis are doing 
>something like this and surely it is not the last.



>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan., AN IDIOT

NOW I KNOW WHY YOU ARE SO PROUD OF YOUR GREAT NATION !!!!


HI HI HI HI HI HI HI HI !!!


PAKISTAN ( A TERRORIST STATE ) ZINDABAD !!!!


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!








































































Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mazuns@lib106.its.rpi.edu (Sudip Mazumder)
Subject: LOOKING FOR  DCE-ites 1989 BATCH
Reply-To: mazuns@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:27:45 GMT

I AM LOOKING FOR ANYONE OF MY BATCH. I PASSED OUT FROM DCE (DELHI COLLEGE
OF ENGINEERING; ELECTRICAL) IN 1989. 

PLEASE RESPOND, EVEN IF YOU DO NOT BELONG TO THE BATCH BUT KNOW THE 
WHEREABOUTS OF ANYBODY FROM THAT BATCH.

THANKS

SUDIP MAZUMDER
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: usp@futserv.austin.ibm.com (Uma S. Pandey)
Subject: Jobs Available: Need ORACLE people....
Organization: IBM AWD Austin, TX
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:00:34 GMT

Hi Guys,

I am posting this for my brother. He owns a consulting company in New York
City. Currently, he needs few people with ORACLE/SunOS background. 
Candidates must have Master's Degree in Comp Sc., and atleast 2 year 
industrial experience. Qualified candidates can be sponsored for H-1, green 
card. If you are anywhere in the world, please send the resumes to :

		apandey@attmail.com

Or you can send the resumes to me at usp@futserv.austin.ibm.com, and I will 
forward it to my brother.


-- 
===============================================================================
Uma S. Pandey,						    Phone: 512-838-8573
Email: usp@futserv.austin.ibm.com
Disc: All opinions are mine and mine only.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an4333@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Hi Chacha, would you stop your bullshiting
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:29:31 GMT

iHi Chacha salam from salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au, will you stop your bullshit.
Go and have a nice time with donkey Mustafa.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kamil@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Kamil Maheshwari)
Subject: Anyone seen SANJE KAK lately?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:36:29 GMT


00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Anyone know whereabouts of Sanje Kak? He is an ex-Bitsian and
was recently known to be working in MA (Stratus). I would like
his ph/e-mail to get to him now. HE IS NO MORE AT STRATUS.

Please e-mail your responses of his sightings to me:-?

thanks, kamil@alumni.cs.colorado.edu.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srsurapa@mtu.edu (Surapanani)
Subject: HOMETOWN BLUES - A POEM
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:01:15 GMT

             Hometown Blues

     Away from home for far too long
        the memories from the past haunting
        the loving and caring calling
        the cowboy dwells on Bharat

     Hungry for the food
        from samosa and bondas of alu
        to chicken tikka of ginger and masala
        from roti, puri and parotha
        to idli, vada and saambar
        from bhiryani and pulav
        to gulab jamun and bhadam kheer
        oh does my mouth water

     Hungry for the movies
        masala, cheap and light
        with heroes so mighty
        the villans so evil
        and heroines so glamorous
        from madhuri and sridevi
        to neelam and rekha

     Hungry for the music
        from classical and instrumental
        to the haunted melodies
        of Kishore and Rafi
        from sweet voices of Lata
        to the gazals of Gulzar

     Hungry for the places in my hometown
        from mandir of marble
        to the pillars of Charminar
        from fort of Golconda
        to the streets of KingKothi

     Hungry for the accents
        from gulti, urdu and hindustani
        to marathi, malbari and madrasi
        from oddisi, gujarathi and punjabi
        to bengali, kannadiga and kashmiri

     Hungry to wear the dresses
        from kurta and paijama
        to baniyan and langota
        from khadi and silk
        to turban and tilak

     Hungry for the horns and honks of traffic
        from the scooters and moped
        to buses and autorickshaw
        from marutis and ambassador
        to the cows and buffalo

     Hungry for the idiot box
        from ramayana to mahabharata
        to humlog and buniyaad
        from news hindi and english
        to chitrahaar and chitramala
        and ofcourse the Gandhi's
        from Rajiv, and Indira to Mahatma

     Hungry for the babes
        from saree and chudidaar
        to belly buttons and bindi
        from black pony tails to 
        fair and lovely
  
     Wow that's a long way
        down the memory lane
        and speaking of hunger
        reminds me of burger
        so here I go
        looking for a pizza and a pie.




                           Srini Surapanani
 
      (The cowboy from the land of holy cows and magic fakirs) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule)
Subject: Powers conferred by the constitution
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:28:20 GMT

>sivabala@faraday.ee.washington.edu (Siva Bala Narayanan) writes:

>>Just a curious question. Given the facts that India is constitutionally
>>secular and that the constitution takes precedence over the parliament,
>>does the Indian constitution have provisions that allow the Central
>>Government to build religious places of worship?

[..]

>>Siva

It does not matter what the constitution says.

Look at the Indian Politics in the past few years - what happens if the 
constitution does not permit something which the "govt" wants to do ? The 
"govt" amends the constitution ! What happens if the Supreme Court does not 
give a ruling in accordance with what the "govt" wants ? The "govt"  makes 
legislation to supercede the Supreme Court's ruling !

Things like the Constitution, the Supreme Court etc. are all relevant only in 
the Civics text books. In real life politics, it is only the numbers that 
matter. (The "numbers" supporting the "govt" in the parliament).

Unfortunately what we have is a big Farce under the name of Democracy.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Ajit Tulpule

School of Business
Carleton University
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1S 5B6

email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
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From: dnl@dnlsun.Corp.Sun.COM (Dinesh Lokhande)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: FLOWERS TO BOMBAY?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:31:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: dnlsun.corp.sun.com
Keywords: flowers, bombay

Has anybody tried to send flowers to Bombay? Would you pls send
replies to dinesh.lokhande@Corp.Sun.COM and  agoel@hogpa.ho.att.com
with the details - price, telephone number and normal delivery time.
Dinesh Lokhande
From: bandi@mega.cs.umn.edu (Vijay)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:08:29 GMT

In <1992Dec21.220723.17732@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:

>	Belief is what is heard and constitute a starting point for an inquiry.
>	For example, the sum of angles of a triangle is 180 degrees.
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On a planar surface and in euclidian geometry.
irrelevent, but coudn't resist it :)

-v
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:57:28 GMT

In article <1i7n6pINN6p1@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
[d.c. exchanges deleted ]

>perennial frustrated populace who cannot distinguish between friendship and
>a desire for sex and cannot contemplate a healthy friendship with the girls
>on general. 

1] God, are you in claim, you suffer no such qualms ? :-)
   Well since phoenix has stopped posting let me fill in: 
   "Are you saying that a desire for sex is not healthy ?" :-)
   Just kidding.

>If they had any desire to build simple friendships
>they need not have been suffering from this paranoid frustration and the
>world would have been a better place.

2] True.
   Someday. :-)

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