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From: ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:55:38 GMT
Keywords: Satellite

In article <1992Aug25.175012.7047@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> paul@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug25.061847.5761@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>>   What is the fascination with the NFC east?
Darrel, here are some of my reasons:
(these are'nt based on any stats, and I also expect disagreement from
fellow NFC East netters as well as fans of other teams).
Defense:
	the best defensive line Eagles
	the second best defensive line: GIANTS
	the best linebackers (as a unit) the GIANTS
	the best defensive unit (at least last year) the Skins
	Every team in the NFL is looking for the next LT or a R.White.
	two of the best defensive players to ever play their positions.

Offense:
	Dave Megget
	Cunningham 
	Phill Simms
	Those 3 great wide outs in DC.
	Emmit Smith.
	Rodney Hampton
	Keth Jackson
	Ricky Ervins
	2 of the best offensive line in the NFL.
	Roy Green (who?)
	Keth Byers
	Ricky Prohel(SP?) of the cards
	Johnny Johnson of the cards
	etc

Right now the skins have the best mix (run/pass) offense of any team
in the NFL (the 9ers used to be like the this). The Eagles are an
Offensive line and a good running game away from that "mix" and the
GIANTS have the "mix" but because of youth and inexperience at coaching,
is at least a year away.
The Cowboys are an OL line away from the that "mix".

I prefer a great OL and a great running game over an all out passing 
game and Great defense and a average offense.
"In Football, good hitting beats good pitching most of the time"

>>   It's time that all those who go for teams outside the NFC East to finally
>>   stand up and defend their team. [...]

I wish they would espesially K.C, Browns, Saints, Jets and Raiders fans.
all these teams have good defense and with the exeception of the Browns
have very good running games.
>
>Nobody is saying the NFC East has your favorite teams.  They are just saying
>that the NFC East has the _best_ teams.

ditto 8{D.


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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Jerry Rice signs with the 49ers!
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.162526.10116@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>In article <holly.185@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise) writes:
>>In article <5080@gold.gvg.tek.com> johna@psdcae1.gvg.tek.com (John Abt) writes:
>>
>>
>>>Just heard it on the local news.. Rice has signed
>>>3 1-year contracts with the San Francisco 49ers.
>>>Jerry reported to camp today (Tues) and will play in 
>>>this Friday's game with Seattle. 
>>
>>>John Abt
>>
>>I heard the amount was $5.7 million for a 3 year contract (or 1.9 mil a yr).
>>-----
>>holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
>
>I also heard that the contract was a three one year contracts. However, I heard
>on the radio that it was for 7.8 million, not 5.7.

It turns out that his salary for the three years totals about $5.7 million.
But there is a "completion bonus" of about another $2 million or so that he
will get if he is still healthy and playing for the 49ers after the three
years are up (football-related injuries excepted). So, the "deal" is for about 
$8 million, although his annual salary works out to about $1.9 million/year.

When Rice reported to the locker room for the first time yesterday, the
players all greeted him by singing "Goldfinger". Then, out on the practice
field while Rice was doing his stretching exercises, a Loomis armored truck
drove right onto the field, two guys got out and unloaded a pile of sacks
with $$$ written on the outside, then put a sign on top of the pile that
said "To : Jerry Rice". I'm not kidding! There was a picture of it in
the Chronicle.

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:48:59 GMT

In article <87361@netnews.upenn.edu>, rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
> In article <37399@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
> >Or was he [Hilgenberg] an ex-Pro-Bowl center? [...]
> >I don't know if Hilgenburg went to the pro-bowl last year. [...]
> 
> Hmmm.  Maybe you should have checked his Pro-Bowl status before launching
> into all the (deleted) speculation, including the quoted material.  You
> would have found that he has been to the Pro Bowl each of the last
> seven years.
> ---Rsk


I can't sit here at school and access the names on the pro-bowl
teams. Thats why I asked if he made the pro-bowl team or not. 

I was giving
the possible reasons the Bears gave an all-pro center for a 4th
rounder. [flame-suit ON] Maybe the all-pro status was undeserved last year.
I remember Madden's book on football where he talks about an all-pro
center who was cut in training camp bcoz he was snapping the ball 
early, a sign of declining skills of a center. Quite a few players
make it to the pro-bowl on reputation alone every year. [flame suit OFF].

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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/2
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:36:27 GMT

From article <1992Sep2.212017.14645@unlinfo.unl.edu>, by mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason):
> a750288@pan.mc.ti.com (John E. Brennan) writes:
> 
> 
>>The Pats roster looks like this:
>>K--Charlie Baumann
> 
> I was ecstatic when they cut Staurovsky.  I've never heard of this guy.

Charlie Baumann was the Orlando Thunder kicker the first WLAF
season...last year, I think he had a short stint with the Dolphins when
Stoyanovich was waiting for a deserved raise...Baumann has a good
leg...


> I hope he has better control than Staurovsky.  It could be worse; they
> could have picked up Scott Norwood!
> 
>>WR is a hurting spot.  Lockwood is actually a rookie RB listed as a WR.  The
>>Pats will be looking for experienced receivers.  Rumor has it that the Pats
>>have offered veterans John Stephens and Eugene Lockhart for trades.
> 
> Since Houston cut Mario Bailey, perhaps the P's can snatch him.  Sure he's
> overrated, but it would be tough to make Houston's cut with the depth they
> have at WR.
> 
> 
> --
> --mg                                                      mgleason@cse.unl.edu
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steelers: Bubby vs. Neil
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:35:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <66761@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
) writes:
>
>They both looked okay in the game.  What were everyone's impressions of how
>the receiving corps played.  Graham, Mills, Stone, etc.  Also, is Tim Worley
>still taking up roster space?  I haven't really heard much about him lately.
>Also, in the game, the announcers made innumerable references to the Steelers
>scoring only 6 points in their first two games.  Isn't this is error?!  I was
>under the impression that the Steelers scored only 6 points in the 1st half
>or so, until then, but that they had scored 30 or so points against the Eagles.
>That was why they were close enough in score for the 10 second penalty to reall
y
>hurt.  Any confirmation?
>--
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>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
>
You're absolutely right.  I can't recall the exact score, but both teams had
at least 30 points, but the Steelers were down by 2 I think.  An Anderson
field goal would have given them the game if I remember correctly, except for
that 10 second runoff.  I was at a party at the time and only managed to catch
a few minutes, but that's what I remember.
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:13:26 GMT

In article <10415@disc.dla.mil> i001804@disc.dla.mil (mary green) writes:
>
>Just want to put my two cents in about Herschel.  I've read what some of
>Vikings fans have said about Walker and all I can say is if Walker doesn't
>gain ground here in Philly it won't be completly his fault.  
>
>After watching a number of plays last night where Walker was handed the ball
>he got to take one step and then Wham!!!  The offensive line here is going
>to have to do a better job, the coaching staff has to come up with offensive
>plays, and the front office has to get Keith Jackson in.
>
>So to all the Vikings fans who read the stats after the game and see lousy
>rushing yardage from Walker it isn't just his fault.

	Come on. I heard this for 3 season with Minnesota. We had a few
	All-Pro off lineman and Walker still didnt look all that great.
	I saw Walkers stats, and he was like 12-12. You need to give
	him the ball more than 12 times. More like about 100 times,
	then he could be 100-100. He just doesnt look like he runs
	hard anymore, very cautiously, and I just dont see him having
	a good year with anyone anymore.

							Mark Gresbach
							GO VIKINGS.


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From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Stupid Houston releases Bailey
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:52:56 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep1.144325.12123@u.washington.edu> les@redx.washington.edu (Les Pennington) writes:
>Houston released Mario Bailey, 1st team All American wide receiver from U
>of Washington, ....

Yes, Bailey, the same Bailey silly Husky fans said was the steal of
the draft.  Hmmm, released.  Doesn't look like a steal to me.


--dave
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Eagles News
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:00:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.032902.16797@news.Hawaii.Edu>, bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.123943.1248@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> >CB Eric Allen and the Eagles are about $160,000 apart on a contract
> >agreement and the clock is ticking on getting the All-Pro ready for
> >the season opener against the New Orleans Saints.

Eric Allen signed a contract with the Eagles yesterday making him one
of the top three cornerbacks money-wise in the NFL.  Allen will start
on the right side against New Orleans on Sunday.

> Any word at who will start at Free Safety? Miano or Walters?

Wes Hopkins and Andre Waters will start in the secondary along with
Eric Allen and Izel Jenkins on the corners.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:56:11 GMT

Why is this being argued so much?
I am a Jets fan.  Yet I don't have any problem admitting that the NFC East
is easily the best division in football nowadays.  I think Mr. Giants fan
had beter realize that the Giants haven't had the best linebacking corps
for a few years, but so what.  they're still a pretty good team, but
probably fourth in that division.  Give the NFC East credit.  But please,
give us a break.  We know how good these teams are.  Must it be said all
the time?
-Jason Gische
Go Jets
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: POOL - Game Moved? -- PICKS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:22:35 GMT

In article <y=vydsh@rpi.edu> kinosr@rs6112.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita) writes:
>Yes!  This is true.  The New England at Miami game has been moved to
>Oct. 18.  The stadium wasn't damaged, but the city of Miami doesn't want
>to pull away security officers from the damaged areas just to monitor
>the game.
>
>The game has been moved to what would have been their bye weeks.
>
>Dave:  Should we include this game in this week's selections?

NO. I reposted the following form:

Week 1
------

PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK THE FORM BEFORE MAILING IT!

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 4 different games.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
**** NOTE CHANGE!!!!  NE-Miami game cancelled!!!  You get 5 free points!! ****

This form is due at 10 am PDT (5 pm GMT) on Sunday, Sep 6.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

Do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away			Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] Indianapolis   
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Chicago          
[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] Buffalo          
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Green Bay      
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Philadelphia 
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Atlanta          
[  ] [ ] Pittsburgh		[ ] Houston       
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Tampa Bay        
[  ] [ ] San Francisco		[ ] NY Giants  
[  ] [ ] Cincinnati		[ ] Seattle       
[  ] [ ] Kansas City		[ ] San Diego    
[  ] [ ] LA Raiders		[ ] Denver        
[  ] [ ] Washington		[ ] Dallas        
                               
Initials: 

DID YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE WORD INITIALS???  PLEASE DO!
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From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jets cut Hector?
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:09:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug31.194126.2740@wuecl.wustl.edu> csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:
>Is it true that the Jets cut Johnny Hector?
>
>If it is, I feel that it was a bad decision. Hector was always a man you can
>turn to in the clutch for needed yards. He never was a real injury prone player
>and his aging years could have been an asset to a young Jet club in terms of
>expereince. Was this a move by Coslet to further streamline the offense
>with young talent (although Thomas hasnt proved much talent at all!) Rather,
>have I been stuck in the Midwest unable to realize that Hector just isn't
>doing the job?
>
>
   The Jets gave Johnny an injury settlement of 1/3 salary (203,000 bucks)
   He pulled a groin in the first game and re-agrivated it in the Giant
  game. Coslet said if he clears waivers he will be eligable to return
   around mid season with fresh leggs and no nicks and bruses. A fresh
   Hector at midseason when the wether gets shitty and you try to run more
   will be a great move if it pans out.
 
>Either way, Its good to see that the Jets are getting some well-deserved
>attention these days by both the New York and National Press. I cant remember
>the last time that the Jets were featured as the nationally televised game
>on NBC. Or is it just to show off Atlanta's new Georgia Dome.....
>
>
>Chris Macri
>Remeber- I root for the Jets and anybody who plays the Giants!
>
>
>


   Daniel V                                 J....E....T....S....JETS,JETS,JETS
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Packer notes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:10:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.144910.785@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.122233.18784@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:
>
>	[ ... ]
>
>>Additional IR 8-31-92
>>---------------------
>>OL Joe Garten
>
>This hurts OL depth.  Who's behind Moran and Hallstrom?  For that
>matter, who's backing up anyone?  Expect at least two OL to be picked
>up this week, maybe Cheek and Viaene.
>

I don't think they have any backup guards.  Frank Winters is the backup
center and the long snapper.  I believe Harvey Salem made the team as a
tackle and, of course, there's Mandarich.  He appears destined for IR.
I would anticipate the Packers picking up some OL.

>>I also heard RUMORED that Charles Wilson was placed on IR and was told
>>he would be waived when healthy.  I've not had this confirmed.  
>
>	[ ... ]
>
>Wilson is on IR.

According to my count that leaves the Packers with only 4 receivers
on the team (Sharpe, Beach, Brooks, and Taylor).  Interestingly, only
Sharpe was on the team last year.  The purge of Lindy's players is on.

-Todd

From: billm@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Bill Maguire)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:05:47 GMT
Subject: Re: 6 days till disaster
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Tony,

   Have faith.  Pre-season is weeding out the "so so" players.  I think the
   game on Sunday will a good test.

   Line Backer Bill
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Novacek SIGNS!
Keywords: Cowboys
Organization: unify
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:49:09 GMT


Jay Novacek (Paycek) has ended his holdout!  He signed a contract yesterday.

Other Cowboys news:

 Daluiso was cut - they kept Lin Elliot

 Cuts.

 Kevin Harris
 Tom Myslinski (sp?)
 Dale Hellestrae

 I forget the others.

 Charles Haley is going to be used as a defensive end.

 Sources:  I heard the cuts on the radio.
   Haley:  My buddy in Texas told me. (Dallas tv -  WFAA)

Tim.
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From: rlynch@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Richard J. Lynch)
Subject: Indy Colt's
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:21:35 GMT

Looking for any Info on the 
Colt's. Is George going to be out several weeks?
Any trade rumors?
Any other news on RB's, WR's etc..

Thanks for any info

Richard
From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SHOCKING PREDICTIONS!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 06:35:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <78639@ut-emx.uucp> drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann) writes:

>
>Thanx for that chance to laugh out loud like a blithering idiot.  But then,
>what should I expect from someone at a school that snaps up Fred Akers after
>we run him out of Austin on a rail.  :-) :-) :-)

Oh, about what I'd expect from the cattle that hire people like Akers
and Williams to begin with.  :-)  

Be careful, or you might find Bevo stolen and then returned
shaven--AGAIN!
      
whoop!

Gary Beason '89
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
From: evans@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <78637@ut-emx.uucp>, drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann) writes...

[Stuff deleted]

>BTW, I don't think the current divisions should be maintained and simply 
>'named.'  First, you get into deciding who should be namesakes and for what
>divisions.  For example, should AFC divisions only be named for AFL pioneers?
>I think so.  But who?  Certainly Lamar Hunt, but other than him, who else?

Possibly his good friend, Ralph Wilson?


Doug


                                    |                              Doug Evans
                                    | State University of New York at Buffalo
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: FANTASY FOOTBALL LEAGUE: FILLED!
Originator: delarocq@c00092-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:52:52 GMT




   Thank you for responding to my call to form a 16-team league.

   We will be set to roll, just submit to me your order and picks by the
   deadline! I will be in New Jersey watching NCSU and Iowa battle it out,
   but you can still email me. I will be gone Friday-Sunday.
 
   I will email the schedule for the year tonight.

   Darrell E. Larocque, FFL Commissioner

   delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:50:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA

In article <1992Sep3.214334.27713@ncsu.edu> easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu writes:
>
>Shouldn't this be "if Walker was given a chance"...

Yes, you are right of course...

"IF Walker is given a chance, THEN he will fail."  :-)

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