From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
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Subject: Re: "tamtam" would declare his complete ignorance.
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 92 19:08:25 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <Bx4Gvu.9Hx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

>>How many times has this happened to you?

> You'd better ask how many times this has happened to you.

Let us ask the victims of the Turkish genocide - shall we?

Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

"Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,
 Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.
 Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First
 World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse
 to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other
 invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian
 success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of
 Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common
 soldiers began deserting in droves."

"With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of
 World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy
 increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,
 Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn
 massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of
 expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, 
Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (fourth paragraph).

"Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large
 eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal
 lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through
 her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot,
 too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress.

 The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay
 face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter 
 bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below
 his neck, into the spine. 

 There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty
 of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel.
 He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)