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From: baskar@cs.concordia.ca (Sundararajan Baskar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Washington Ready to Brand Pakistan a Terrorist State
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:40:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

>
> Yes pakistan is a terrorist country for those B. and sob who dont know the
>rights of the human being. From Khalistan to Nepal every one is herased by the 
>follish Indian myth of police man of subcontinent.  India is not more than a dog of USA which starts barking when USA want to pressureize pakistan and other
> countries like srilanka bangladesh maldives etc
Hi,

   I think u have not read ur 10th standard history properly. Bot in 1965
and 1971 when INDIA had war with PAKISTAN  USA supported pakistan.



>I dont know when India will realise that their is some thing called pect of the rights of others but the countries which can not protect a masjid from the bunch
> of punks how it will protect the whole country



Do u really believe pakistan has any moral right to talk about human rights?

Please if u are going to answer, use ur brains and not emotions.


>India better ask pakistani Army to protect their country.  Thousand of made in
>India policemem and Paramillitry could not controll an unarmed crowd.  It is 
>really very shamefull for any country but for the atomic power.

post this part in rec.humour


S.Baskar




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From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: MUSLIM NATION (Re: Bosnia)
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:48:00 GMT


I wanted to add that I personally don't support one group creating a state
because their's is the majority religion. But what is going on in Bosnia is
clearly unacceptable and sitting back and doing nothing to stop the killings
because of the fears that an "Islamic" state will be created is a negation of
the ideals of free earth and the ideals of human rights.

--Javed.
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:10:00 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1i2i4kINNid9@aludra.usc.edu> sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
:
:  What science 'claims' is that anything that can be "observed" can
:  be explained rationally without recourse to "miracles" or/of "god".
:  When some phenomenon  cannot be explained rationally, it only means that
:  the "observation" is faulty. That is why "rAhu or kEtu eating up
:  the moon" is superstition while a "lunar eclipse" is not.

What you mean by "observe"? 

Do you know that scientist do not even agree on what is
meant to "observe"?

Each observation requires a certain set of axioms and postulates.
These axioms are accepted without proof, and without any observation.
Hence, according to your definition axioms and postulates are 
supersititions. As such, sceince is the most methodically supersitious
of all sources of knowledge!!!!!
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Labor days in Lucknow....
Date: 23 Dec 1992 05:22:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


		Labor Days in Lucknow
		---------------------

	Ek daffaa kaa zikar hae keh, a woman got pregnant in our
	good ole Lucknow. When the labor day came, she was admitted to
	the teaching  hospital of King George Medical College, Lucknow.
	King Geroge Medical College is probably the second oldest
	medical college in the Sub-continent. First one was in Agra, UP.
	I guess.
	Well, well, getting back to the nuqtaa, the lakhnavi begum was
	admitted to the hospital. Nothing happened  that day.
	Nothing happened next day. A week, no luck.
	A month went by, still nothing. Months and years went by. No luck.
	Finally after seventy years, doctors decided to operate.
	What they found were two old dervesh like guys telling each other...
	Qiblaa pehlay aap, Nahi'n huzoor pehlay aap.......

P.S. A friend of mine told that she has heard the same joke with Lucknow
     replaced by Hungary. Aur "Hum" sumajhtay thay kay ikhlaaq aur aadaab
     lucknow per khatam hai'n.
     Well, atleast some people will understand the use of word "khatam"
     as suggested by our Ahmadi dudes.


Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio.
	
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From: sramacha@girtab.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:33:59 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <lkc7upINNp83@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <1i5641INNgrh@aludra.usc.edu> sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
>>
>>Wish God had learned to write in hex. We wouldn't need any interpreters then !
>
>Sura 45:
>
> 9. And when he comes to know of any of Our communications,
> he takes it for a jest;....
>	:
>	:
>
> 35. That is because you took the communications of Allah for
> a jest and the life of this world deceived you. So on that
> day they shall not be brought forth from it, nor shall they
> be granted goodwill.
>


Is there an online version of these Suras somewhere. I need to know
who deceives less -  MCI or AT&T.  :-) :-)
Also, my C program won't compile :-( 


just jesting...
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Cross posting in soc.cul.Pakistan
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:59:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec22.140937.45855@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>


>	I am writing this letter after intense frustration at finding not even
>a single posting of interest. If I offend anyone, I hope he/she understand the
>hopelessness of my position.
>						Saqib Mausoof


Saqib bhai, your attitude is a little hard to stomach.  What gave you the
idea that scp was specifically required to cater to *your* interest ?
There is no reason for you to get upset if your interest is not to be
found on scp.  You don't pay this newsgroup and it doesn't owe you
anything. It isn't the government of Pakistan, you know.  I have been
following scp for over 2 1/2 years now, and I do agree it has seen
better days when the quality of the exchange was more dignified and 
substantive.  But I don't think we should get frustrated at that.
What seems mediocre to you and me may appear high-class to someone
else.  Your frustration may be someone else's constant fountain
of pleasure.  If you don't feel happy with the content of scp, you
can only blame yourself.  Lead by example.  Don't expect scp
subscribers to dish out entertainment tailored to your taste; if
you want that, write more often yourself and like-minded people
will be encouraged to write in response. 


Best wishes,

Saad.


-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: pakistan, a nation wa
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:49:28 EST

To: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)

 SH> I have been speaking to an Indian friend who recently arrived from
 SH> India. From him I learnt the steady rise of software programmers in
 SH> India, who are making significant inroads in bringing high quality
 SH> software engineering to the Indian infra-structure. Frankly I am
 SH> envious. Not just because of the country being India, but more so
 SH> because Pakistanis seem to be so much more resourceful overseas.

 SH> I know that in Pakistan literacy is not a priority for the majority of
 SH> the landed gentry, LVQs, etc, as it works against their interests of
 SH> keeping their slaves/servants in status quo. This I learnt in
 SH> Aitchision College, Lahore, where I was a A-Level student in 1981.

 SH> However, literacy is a revolution that no power can keep under a lid.
 SH> Thus, my question to you is, how can the fortunate ones, like the
 SH> wealthy foreign students, the successful student/professionals who have
 SH> benifited by going overseas to pursue money/education/honest way of
 SH> life, make even a small difference to a small school in Pakistan ?

 SH> Any ideas.... ?

Well...  the thing is that there is a lot of business
computerisation (a lot of it very high-level).  In Karachi, Lahore,
and Islamabad, a lot of the export industries are using the latest
computer-technology in their production and administration...

But, unlike India, where there IS such policy, Pakistan has no
concerted government-level efforts at developing technological
infrastructure...

Faraz Rabbani

... Time flies like wind.  Fruit flies like pears.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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From: rizvi@paul.rutgers.edu (HGR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: t
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:33:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

testvb
From: rathoret@sumax.seattleu.edu (Tariq Rathore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: RE: Sking in Pakistan
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:20:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1i7ea6INNcds
Distribution: world
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

> I am going on a trip to Pakistan in late January. I have heard from a
> few people that there have been some ski hills constructed up north,
> namely in the Gilgit and Swat areas. I would like to know more about
> them, has anyone heard about these places? Are they open for business?
> How many runs do they have?


The last information I have about this project is that it is in Swat; was
 completed by an Austrian group in sometime 1990; A Saudi group won
bidding for managing it.


> Also I am taking a friend along to see the sights. I am wondering
> what areas up north will be like from late Jan to mid Feb, will there
> be any problem getting up there or finding accomodation. I am pretty
> sure that the Karakoram Highway will be open all year.

You timing is very tough. Pakistan Tourism Dev. Corp can be you best
source of info on sites which you can visit during this time of the year.
There offices are in all major cities and they have a network of good
hotels in the northern areas.
I recommend visiting Lake Saiful Maluk and Kalam.
From: sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya)
Subject: Re: Bangali boys make good servants (Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:23:43 GMT

In article <NAEEM.92Dec22021208@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>In article <Bzn13o.L05@sunfish.usd.edu> shariq@charlie.usd.edu writes:
>
>
>>In fact there are two Bengali boys working at my grandmother's house in 
>>Karachi and they are just like family.
>----
>
>How nice of you to treat them like family. They are an obedient lot aren't 
>they?
>
>--
>Naeem Mohaiemen

They also make excellent fighters, several IAF fighter pilots are 
Bengalees!!

PROUD TO BE A BENGALI
Santanu
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 2 Jan 1993 17:06:01 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1i5641INNgrh@aludra.usc.edu> sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:
>
>Wish God had learned to write in hex. We wouldn't need any interpreters then !

Sura 45:

 9. And when he comes to know of any of Our communications,
 he takes it for a jest;....
	:
	:

 35. That is because you took the communications of Allah for
 a jest and the life of this world deceived you. So on that
 day they shall not be brought forth from it, nor shall they
 be granted goodwill.
From: faraz.rabbani@canrem.com (faraz rabbani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: re: hey cousin!
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:35:13 GMT
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems


 khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) wrote:
 MK> Cousin marriages among Muslims
 MK> ------------------------------
 MK> Cousin Marriages are pretty common among Muslims, especially
 MK> among Arabs and Subcontinentals. What is the reason for this. I know
 MK> it is not prohibited in Quran, but it is not supported either. In fact
 MK> Quran does not say anything about cousin marriages.
 MK> What are the advantages of cousin marriages?
 MK> What are the disadvantages of cousin marriages( in-breeding)?
 MK> How about cousin marriages generation after generation?

Well...  the main reason for such marriages is politics...  there is
a lot of politics in family relationships in both the Arab world and
in the subcontinent.  An individuals social life is centred around
their family.  Hence, marrying strategically within the family is a
good way of getting up in the family social ladder.

And it may help conceal a lot of inter-cousin love scandals...
Especially with all the social contact cousins get with each other
and the lack of other-sex contacts they have outside the family...
<grin, eh?>

After all, the people most seen by youngsters back home are family
members, so you are more likely to fall in love with, or have a
"crush" on, a cousin.  And remember, arranged marriages aren't
_always_ so rigid...

Faraz Rabbani
Toronto, Canada

faraz.rabbani@canrem.com

... If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: MUBARAK.JAMAL@MTN-HOME.VA.GOV
Subject: Introduction to Parwaaz, Part I
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:46:00 GMT


|TAB||TAB|INTRODUCTION,  PART I
	 
Assalaamo alaikum,
 
Pakistan, in recent years, has witnessed fundamental changes that may
lead to rapid industrial and technical development.  However, much needs
to be done to make this a reality.  Parwaaz is an organization of
concerned Pakistani students and professionals that seeks to serve as
a catalyst for this change.
 
Firstly, this organization seeks to get tasks accomplished and all
our activities keep this objective in mind.  We only try to do that
which we think we can accomplish.  Our main task is to act as a
coordinating body of professionals who will answer various technical
queries originating from Pakistan.  Be they private firms, government
organizations, or academic institutions, we try to promote a more
meaningful transfer of technology.  We think we can be effective in this
endeavor since we are Pakistanis and understand the peculiarities of 
Pakistani society.  However, it must be emphasized that we will not deal
with sensitive areas of technology transfer, such as defense.  We hope
that our efforts will result in cooperation and collaboration between
the Pakistani scientific community and the western academic hierarchy.
	 
There is little formal structure within the organization.  Individuals
coordinate with each other in discussions on approaching projects and
then in implementing them.  Our main mode of communication is electronic
mail, both in US and Europe, and to Pakistan.  Active areas at present
are electrical engineering, computers, and communications.  Each member
tries to contribute according to his area of expertise.  Our members,
in addition to spending valuable time answering queries, also spend
money on such items as floppy disks, postage, etc.
	 
The purpose of this introduction is to solicit contributions from those
who do not have time to take part themselves, and to seek new members
and new energy from a young and talented nation.  Let us emphasize
that we are only interested in those members who mean business.  We
expect members to voice their opinions on our mailing list and to
actively contribute to our activities.  We have plans for registering
ourselves as a tax-free, non-profit organization but that will take some
time.
 
If you would like to make a financial contribution to us, or are interested
in joining our group then please send e-mail to one of us.  From future
members we would like to know a little about their background and any 
ideas that they may have.
	 
Khuda Hafiz,
 
Jamal Mubarak
E-mail: mubarak.jamal@mtn-home.va.gov
 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: RE: Pakistan is a little bit different
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:56:20 EST


 "faraz rabbani" (faraz.rabbani@canrem.com) wrote:
 RR> : But the issue is not whether they are better off than in other
 RR> : places, but how they fare in India...  the Ayodhya issue, and now
 RR> : the threats to assail the Taj Mahal, shows how much their rights (as
 RR> : granted by the Supreme Court) can be quashed by a determined
 RR> : majority... sad... But I have hope...

 To which rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman) replied:

 RR> I'm sorry that I didn't make it more explicit. I meant that such
 RR> things ( things that were happening to Muslims in India ) happen all
 RR> over the world and shouldn't be blown out of proportion. I don't
 RR> know about too much about the state of the minorities in Pakistan but
 RR> I unerstand that they are not in too good a shape. This is borne out
 RR> from what happened in reaction to the destruction of the mosque in
 RR> India. This is not to say that the lot of Muslims in India shouldn't
 RR> be improved. Education and health should be the prime areas of focus
 RR> and not religion.

Exactly, but the PRESENT CRISIS at Ayodhya was started by Hindus,
not Muslims (who liked where the Mosque *was*)...

And 1200 people (mostly Muslim shot by a mostly Hindu police force)
don't die in a week over a religious issue where a minority's
GRANTED right denied "all over the world"...

 RR> One of the reasons for the destruction of the mosque was the view
 RR> amongst Hindus that it was time that they acted. There has been a
 RR> history of brutal oppression of Hindus under many Muslim regimes in
 RR> the past 1000 years and that cannot just be ignored. It's sad that
 RR> some guys on the net deny that this ever happened . This is akin to
 RR> what the neo-nazis in Germany and the KKK are doing. They deny that
 RR> Hitler ever exterminated Jews.
 
But to my knowledge, the Jews do not go en masse to Germany
destroying buildings, etc...  The past's justice CANNOT be imparted
now...  Like this, I can say that my cave-living descendants roamed
all over the world; therefore I OWN the world...  does not work that
way, bud...

 RR> Both the destruction of the mosque in India and the destruction of
 RR> the temples in other countries are equally reprehensible. We cannot
 RR> ignore the fact that both happened and not just one of them.

But one ignited the other...  One was the issue, and the other was
the result of the issue.  Both sad though, VERY SAD and
reprehensible, I agree fully.  But the bigger outrage is what
triggered the death of 1200 plus people...

Faraz Rabbani

... Either he is dead, or my watch has stopped.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12


... Waste not.......in my backyard  
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From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 2 Jan 93 10:48:26 AET
Organization: UCQ

In article <1hu5dtINNl70@nyquist.usc.edu>, shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar) writes:
> Posting for FFT:
> In article <1992Dec31.140947.13158@topaz.ucq.edu.au> salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>>> 	as it was a divine revelation. He CANNOT make such a claim and at
>>> 	the same time bring in Science. If he wants to deal with pure faith,
>>> 	that's fine. Just don't denigrate Science and scientists like
>>> 	Hawking. You can define "perfect" as "that which is like Quran".
>>> 	IMO, that's cheating.:)
>>
>>     May I bring in poetry, literature, philosophy, sociology, ... along
>>with divine revelation? Is science some kind of taboo? Or is science some
>>kind of the holy of the holy not to be touched by the people who talk about
>>religion?
> 
> 	You still don't get it, do you? Science can be talked about by
> 	the religious peepuls but it cannot be used alongside a divine
> 	being. Science rejects a divine cause for anything.

        IT IS A MYTH. Science doesn't deny either.
> 
> 
>>      You call it "naive" interpretations and I call it a scientists'
>>interpretations. 
> 
> 	An interpretation cannot have the status of a "scientist's 
> 	interpretation" just because a scientist (a poor one at that)
> 	furthers it. It has to satisfy the basic tenets of Science and
> 	God does not fit into it.
> 
        That is ridiculous. If a scientist interpret something through his/her
scientific knowledge then it is a "scientist's interpretation". You may
disagree with him/her but it won't change its status.


> 
> Science is no longer a taboo in religion. People like
>>Dr.B and Paul Davies (theoretical physicist who wrote "the mind of Gad")
>>are talking about God and religion. Keep up with the latest developments. :-|)
> 
> 	Ever hear of Anthropic Principle? When physicists talk about God,
> 	they use it metaphorically. Paul Davies points out just this.

     Metaphysically, to be more precise. So do many theologians. Have heard
Prof. John Polkinghon, a mathematical physicist from Cambridge and now an
Anglican clergyman? He talk about God and very "conventional" God by
reinterperating the Bible.

> 
> 	FFT
> 
> 
> 
   Salam
    (means peace)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khurram@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Khurram Muhammad)
Subject: Re: MUSLIM NATION (Re: Bosnia)
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:27:47 GMT


Regarding your recent statistical figures in your very recent mail and
the interpretation of the whole bosnian-serbian issue, can I please
request the source of information. You do realize that probably most
wars and conflicts in history would not have taken place if it were
not for people who mis-interpret information and use it to their
own advantage. We must also thank the British for leaving most of
the burning issues including the division of Ottoman empire and a
number of other unresolved conflicts. Thanks to their media as well for
making these issues more complex politically. Whatever be the case and
whosoever belongs the piece of land, does it justify mistreating helpless
women in such a way? The issue here is not the glorification of a 
particular religion. It is more of protecting the helpless from the
clutches of evil. The only irony is that even the people who think they
are "educated" don't dare to think what they don't want to think.
I believe that defending the evil is equivalent to participation in it. 
Sometimes, one wonders what is going on around us and whose purpose 
is being served?

Regards.

-- Khurram Muhammad

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