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From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: LOVE sucks. No question about it.
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:32:35 PDT

In article <ktvm72INNm96@girtab.usc.edu>, jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:
> 
> Love doesn't cause the pain you feel.  Pain is your body trying
> to tell you that something is wrong.  Being stabbed in the back
> causes pain.  Being mistreated causes pain.  Having somebody
> rip your insides out and jumped up and down on you when you're
> vulnerable causes pain.
> 
> You don't have to be in love to feel pain from those things.

No, you don't.  But if I hadn't been in love, or open to the
possibility, none of these women could have stabbed me in the back,
or ripped my insides out, or whatever metaphor you choose.  Only
in love does one become that vulnerable.  Therefore love does
indirectly cause the pain.  Without it, there would be no pain, at
least from that source.

> It's always harder to learn something from other peoples' 
> successes and failures.  Most people have to learn from direct
> experience.

And it is especially hard to learn from others' experience when
one's own experience is so strong and opposite.

> Well, if you were asking me, I'd have to say 'Yes, I'd be glad
> that I didn't make the mistake of marrying them.'  I think I can
> say this because I've had 'overwhelmingly negative' experiences
> and they no longer hurt me.  

That part I'm very glad about.  But it still doesn't mean I'm
going to jump into another relationship with someone like the
women in my past.

> But that's because I let them go.

That part I'm still working on.

> Just remember that those who are bitter and angry are
> unsuccessful in romance, and have more difficulty with life in 
> general.

I'm not sure I believe in love and romance anymore.  I'm not sure
I wasn't just fooling myself.  So what's there to be unsuccessful
in?  As for the rest of life in general, I suppose that depends on
one's ability to compartmentalize things.

|  Greg Orman                               greg@pomona.claremont.edu  |
|                      Live to ride, Ride to live                      |
|      "If it wasn't for bad luck/I wouldn't have no luck at all"      |
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Subject: Re: Ed and Teresa  (Carp ????)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
Date: 16 Apr 1992 15:43 EST  

In article <1992Apr16.173053.7148@wetware.com>, diana@wetware.com (CatWoman ) writes...

>Seconded!  This is more fun to watch than either the Cheers
>or Moonlighting romances...after all - we "know" these folks!!
> 
>Keep it up...errr, ahhh - oh, you know what I mean...
> 

No, I don't, Diana.  Could you explain it further?  

I just love watching people blush and stutter.  :)

-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
Xref: sparky alt.romance:7167 soc.singles:11391 soc.couples:2147
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:30:04 GMT
Distribution: world,soc
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr11.003948.11015@borland.com> figmo@borland.com (Lynn Gold) writes:
>
>This did a number on what little self-esteem I had.  I WISH he'd at least
>have had the decency to say "this isn't working for me; I want out."  I had
>no reason to wish to try to trap him in something that wasn't working for

I find it incredible that you are talking about him having decency, when
you have just gone and posted something to the net that is really none
of the audience's business! Based on how I've seen you treat people in 
the past, it doesn't *surprise* me, but I have to admit that I still 
find it incredible.

This doesn't belong on the net, Lynn.  Yes, I know all too well your
driving need to show all your dirty laundry to anyone unfortunate  
enough to have to be in earshot, but couldn't you at least restrict
yourself to boring folks a few at a time?  You may find this surprising,
but there are those of us out here who really don't give a damn what
awful thing has happened in the continuing saga of "Life Shits on Lynn,
and Lynn Tells All".

You never know, had you bothered to stop talking for 5 minutes, you
may well have found out about the end of your relationship in a timely
manner.  I *do* know that the person in question did at least try to
tell you.

In terms of the self-esteem, you might give some thought to how you
treat people - I suspect I'm not the only one who has gotten fed up
after trying for *years* to get along with you.  You get out of life
what you put into it.

I will never forget a really sweet net.person defending you to me
recently, only to hear you (a few days later) talking about the 
person as though they were some sort of slug or something.  I find
that incredibly sad.  I would advise you to cherish your friends,
Lynn, because at the rate you are going, you may not have a lot left
soon.
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Ed and Teresa  (Carp ????)
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.15APR199218054633
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <CSUAT.92Apr15203901@lily.warwick.ac.uk>, csuat@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Pete "Ganders" Favelle) writes...
> 
>on 15 Apr 92 05:04:58 GMT,
>dan@mvaxcs1.cse.nau.edu (Dan McMichael) said:
>> From article <1992Apr11.093743.10544@willamette.edu>, by ppinkard@willamette.edu (Patrice Pinkard):
>>> I think we should let Ed & Teresa work it out between the two of them.  What
>>> do you think?  It doesn't REALLY involve anyone other than E & T. 
> 
>> I'd say all of this belongs in E-mail.
> 
>Hey! But then _we_ don't get to watch :-)
> 

So...you're a peeping Ganders?  A "female goose"?  Hmmmmmm.....

Glad you're enjoying it.  I think maybe we'll keep it up.  What do you 
think, Ed?

>Hugs,

And I need the hugs today.  Thanks, Ganders.  :)

-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:02:56 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

ronan@codon3 (Karen Ronan;161 GPBB;x2-0884) writes:

}In article <89El02o5c9Kk00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:

}>as property.  The point is that a person ACTIVELY trying to mess up an
}>existing relationship is showing a lack of respect for the relationship

}Okay, someone shows a lack of respect for your relationship.
}So what? Why should that person be of the slightest importance?

The question that started this thread asked whether or not it was ok to 
try to woo someone out of a relationship.  All I am saying is that it is 
not ok because it shows a lack of respect.

Whether or not it is important that someone shows that lack of respect
depends on a lot of factors, probably most important being what the
relationship is between the third party and the two in the relationship.
For example, if someone who had been a good friend of mine for many years
tried to woo me or my SO, it would certainly strain our friendship.  I
would feel that I couldn't really trust that person if he/she showed such
clear disrespect.  If, on the other hand, a person who I and my SO know
only casually, such as a coworker, tried to woo one of us, it wouldn't be
particularly important at all.  It would certainly affect my inclination
to become closer friends with that person in the future, however.

--James Preston

Xref: sparky alt.romance:6962 soc.singles:11017 soc.couples:2058
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:31:41 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: world,soc
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

tcl@csi.UOttawa.CA (Tim Lethbridge) writes:

}In article <75nG027bc0Nq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
}|> rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
}|> 
}|> }The question is this.  Is it ever morally and/or ethically O.K. to actively
}|> }try to woo one member of an existing relationship
}...
}|> No.  Unequivocally it is never, ever ok.
}...

}OK, let's take this one step further. Is one morally bound
}to *ask* a potential SO whether they are available, or is the
}onus on him/her to tell you if he/she is *not* available?

}Personally, I think the latter. Which then begs a further question:
}Say you are 'wooing' someone and suddenly find out that she/he is
}involved. Do you just drop him/her like a hot potato for moral
}reasons? Such behavior seems hurtful to me.

No, I wouldn't just drop her.  But I would make her decide, him or me.
Hey, does that sound unfair to anyone?  It seems to me that it's just
following along the lines of so many other posters who said that the
other person involved should have a choice in the matter.  *MY* ethics
don't permit me to keep seeing someone who is seriously involved with
someone else, therefore I have only two choices, drop her as suggested
above or make her choose as I said.  Given that I care about her and
want to be with her, making her choose seems the only sensible course.
Which is exactly what I did when I found myself in that situation.

}In my opinion the main things that should stop someone from 'wooing'
}someone else are 1) the potential SO has said *no*, or 2) the potential
}SO is *married*. Just being in a relationship is not enough.

Well, first of all there's a problem here with the definition of "in a
relationship".  When I use it, I mean that the two people have decided
to be committed to each other.  So then I see no significant difference
between being married and being in a relationship as far as how outsiders
should view it.  If the two people are committed to each other, you keep
your fuckin' hands off, whether or not they've got the legal formality
of a registered commitment or not.  If "in a relationship" means that
they're just dating and have agreed between each other that seeing other
people is ok, then this whole question is meaningless, right?

--James Preston
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: pixies in SF (whew!)
Date: 17 Apr 92 08:39:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.jlakncs
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

just checked out the pixies at the warfield in SF.  no U2 to get in
the way for this show.  just the pixies (and the monks of doom, if
you must be correct.)

similar to the show they gave in december, but i thought this one
had a lot more energy.  they also seemed to be having more fun this
time around.  black actually talked to the audience about six
times, introducing songs and such.  my favorite introduction,
"in the year 1965, my family was approached by a UFO, and that is
what this next song is about", or something like that, for the
song manta ray.  now we know why he writes so much about UFOs,
space aliens, etc.  then again, i don't know what the hell he's
talking about, or if he does.

"vamos" was incredible, by far the best song they did.  joey really
jammed on the solo, including a little birthday song rendition, and
the jeopardy theme.  then he borrowed dave's drum stick for a minute
to really go at it.  he can really hold his own when he wants to.

anyone that said they sucked with u2 must have seen a different show,
or just doesn't appreciate the pixies (i.e. not know any of their songs).
they even played "here comes your man" and "monkey..", two songs which
i figured they'd *never* play in concert, since they are somewhat
popular.  proved me wrong.

biggest letdown, still no jeffery with one f jefrey.  maybe next time. :-<

catch 'em while you can.  the widespread rumor is there's only one
more album left in the pixies, then they go their separate ways.
maybe it'll be for the best, but i doubt it.  curious to see who
black'll pick up to be his henchmen.

sj		"Got finally off to finally dozin'" - bf
From: v067r5la@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Sean M Oshea)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Smiths/Morrissey info needed
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <sch52INN4vm@agate.berkeley.edu>, e7-ew@dv349-3b.berkeley.edu writes...
> 
>         A few questions:
> 
>           When is M's video (Live in Dallas) coming out?
>           Does anyone have a "This Charming Man" 7" they'd like
>                    to sell?
>           Anyone willing to sell Smiths concert programs?
>           Did The Smiths put out any unavailable B-sides other
>                    than the following:
>                        "Jeane"
>                        "Wonderful Woman"
>                        "Work Is a Four-Letter Word"
>                        the Sandie Shaw collaborations
>                        the live stuff on "That Joke.."
>                        "This Charming Man" remixes
>                        "The Draize Train" (non-live)
>                        "I Keep Mine Hidden"
>           Did The Smiths do any touring for "Strangeways"?
>                 (obviously touring before the album)
>           If so, does anyone have any "Strangeways" live boots?
>               (I have 70+ Smiths live songs and >10 M songs I could
>                copy and send.  Can't say the quality is exactly studio..)
> 
>                     Thanks for all the info/help
> 
>                      Tom Cronin         e7-ew@WEB.berkeley.edu


        Tom, there are a few things worth mentioning:

         - "How Soon is Now?" (Alternate studio version found only on the 
                   Italian "William, it was..." 12")
         - "Money Changes Everything" (b-side of "Bigmouth .. " 12")
         - "Miserable Lie" (live version found only on a Canadian Rough
                   Trade compilation)
         - A live James' song found on the "I Started Something... "
                   cassette single
         - Early cello version of "Pretty Girls Make Graves" and live version
                   of "Some Girls are Bigger than Others" found on the 
                   "I Started Something....." 12"
         - The Peel session version of "William, it was ..." found on the
                   cd single of "Last Night I Dreamt,....."
         - There are also 3 different edits of "How Soon is Now?":
                   1.) 7" edit which originated in Holland
                   2.) US 7" edit
                   3.) and an edit found on the UK Buzz #4 compilation

        The Smiths last show was near the end of 1986. A summer of '87
     tour was planned but cancelled due to friction between Marr and
     Morrissey.


                                          - Sean O'Shea
From: ssammy@cs.strath.ac.uk (Paul Sammy 3rd Year iE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: nirvana
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:44:42 GMT
Organization: Information Engineering
In-reply-to: bt195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 6 Apr 92 18:14:13 GMT

> Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu



> WHY does Nirvana want to stay
> waway from FAME??? I just don't understand....

Michael Jackson.

>    Oh, well... Whatever... NEVERMIND.

Paul
--

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From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Vioent Femmes
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:15:02 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <73523@netnews.upenn.edu>, mohagin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mary K O'Hagin) writes:
> 
>  The actual subject of this is "Violent Femmes".  To date, I have not 
> herd (heard)) an album from the avove (avXX above)) mentioned group that 
> has matched their original self titled album.  "Add it up" is a memoralbe 
> (memorable)) song.  It must be heard repeatedly to appreciate it in full.
> .
> 
> mohagin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> "words to memorize, words hypnotize, words make my mouth exercise."
> --Violent Femmes
> "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for
> your country."
> --JFK
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Although you are probably right, their latest album, "Why Do Birds Sing?" clome
close.  The first two tracks, "American Music" and "Out the Window" are really
quite good, although their remake of "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me" leaves
something to be desired.

-Phil
-- 
                                "There's a girl in a dress in a sinful mess
        Phil Luebke              With a face that's made for kissin'
 luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu      What kind of god gives you a rod
                                 And says you can't go fishin'?"
                                                     -- Something Happens
From: hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: nirvana
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:08:21 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization

i was in the supermarket yesterday, and you won't believe
what i saw......




kurdt of nirvana  on the cover of SASSY magazine!!!

now if he's not comfortable with being in the mainstream,
what's he doing on the cover of a "hip" teen mag?

kissing courtney of hole, i might add.

i don't understand.

heathernoel
sans sig pour le moment
From: wiatr-m@acsu.buffalo.edu (Marc Wiatrowski)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: 10,000 Maniacs boots?
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:41:12 GMT
Organization: UB

v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Quenby M Chunco) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.040744.9180@midway.uchicago.edu>, dunl@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>>Anyone out there have or know of any live 10,000 Maniacs recordings?
>>Respond by e-mail if ya know anything.
>> 

>Or post! There might be a few others interested.:-)

LIKE WHO?
From: lisakd@bnr.ca (Darko Lisak)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: The Proclaimers
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:59:59 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

Hello again,

   A question about The Proclaimers:  Are they coming out with anything new soon?  I thought
they were going to come out with something after they did "King of the Road"  (on a soundtrack for a film, "The Crossing", I think.)  And I heard it was supposed to be last June.
Did they split up or something?  I hope not.  Their concert in Toronto a couple of years ago was fantastic!  (Respond to the newsgroup, please.)

DL
From: glen@tegra.COM (Glen Osterhout)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: boston bands
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:50:17 GMT
Reply-To: glen@tegra.UUCP (Glen Osterhout)
Organization: Tegra-Varityper, Inc. Billerica, MA

I can't believe no one has mentioned Green Magnet School
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*   Glen Osterhout	  Tegra-Varityper, Inc.      Billerica, Massachusetts  
*			  email to:  glen@tegra.com
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From: memaso@uta.fi (Markku Sorto)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: THE SWANS
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:19:10 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Apr5.210216.1677@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, smv3@po.CWRU.Edu (Sean M. Vadas) writes:
> 
> i am trying to find a maxi-single by the Swans called
> Love Will Tear Us Apart.  SO far i've had no luck.
> Can anyone tell me if this was ever on an album, and
> if so, which one?

No, only as a maxi-single. However, the original version (much better IMHO!)
was made by Joy Division and can be heard on a maxi-single or Substance(LP/CD)

Tumpa
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: dad@james.geo.lsa.umich.edu ()
Subject: Rhythem Corp
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:09:06 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Seismological Observatory
Originator: dad@james.geo.lsa.umich.edu

Does anybody else out there listen to Rhytem Corp. They are a local
Detroit band.  I do not seem to here much of them outside of local
radio stations.  They have a sound and style similar to old U2 and the
Alarm.  I have seen some of their shows and they were amazing.  Probably
their most popular song is Common Ground.  Any other fans out there.


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|  dad@geo.lsa.umich.edu       | "If the blast don't get you ...     |
|                              |  ... then the fallout will "        |
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From: kleiner@askhp.ask.uni-karlsruhe.de (Martin Kleiner 378835)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: boston bands
Keywords: ping pong
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:30:03 GMT
Reply-To: kleiner@askhp.ask.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany

What about Lemonheads, Bullet la Volta(sp?) , Moving Targets, Dino. Jr.?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: Love n' Rockets
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:04:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.142635.4628@cs.tcd.ie> droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe) writes:
>I've heard of the band Love n' Rockets, and heard some stuff. However, a
>long time ago (about six to seven years) I taped a song from the radio,
>ostensibly buy a band called Loven n' Missiles. The D.J.s voice over is
>				      ^^^^^^^^
>still on the tape to this effect, but doesnt mention the name of the
>song. Its about a train, some of the lyrics near the start go..
>
>	The train now standing at the platform leaves for higher planes,
>	If you want to ride then why not hop on this one,
>	There will be no other trains...


The DJ was making a joke.
Love and Rockets, Kundalini Express, on Express, 1987 (?)

						John F Sasso



-- 
"Elvis is Ted, and Ted is the False Bob," the Elvis Lectures
"But who is Ted?  Ted is the Shaman to the Stars, the Master of MauMau,
and a general SwellGuy."  the Book of False Bobs
"Points are bad. Winning is bad. The only way to win is to lose."BookofMauMau
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: lclayton@uhuru.uchicago.edu (Liz Clayton)
Subject: Re: Song info request
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:23:02 GMT

It's originally called "In Heaven (the lady in the radiator song)" and I 
_believe_ it originally appeared on...the "Eraserhead" soundtrack(!).

The Pixies also released a legitimate live version of the song on their now
hard-to-find "Gigantic" EP.

Liz
From: buch@iesd.auc.dk (Henrik Buch Pedersen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: info on CRANES,LUSH and CURVE
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:46:02 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


Hello out there!

I've just bought Wings of joy and would like some information (title listning) on earlier releases by cranes (I know that they've released at least two EP's). 

I would also be pleased if somebody could post a list of the titles included on the LUSH album GALA. 

A title list for the two CURVE EP's BLINDFOLD and CHERRY wouldn't be bad at all, maybe I've just lost them while the Curve diskussion where running!

Thanks!