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From: sjaak@cca.vu.nl (Jacques Schuurman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ++ Get Rid Of Kraay ++  (Was: Re: RTL-4)
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:58:08 GMT
Organization: VU Amsterdam - dienst CCA

bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
|
| mroosen@prl.philips.nl (Monique Roosen) writes:
| >
| >>Can't we get rid of this man?
|
| >Let's make a plan to get rid of him. We (with support of all other 
| >soccer-fans)
| >could write a petition and send this to RTL-4 and even the KNVB, because the
| >trouble started with the latter. 
|
| But I think you have a good point with that petition. Are there any more 
| people who think like us? There should be...
| As a start I'll write a letter to Voetbal International about Hans Kraay,
| to interest more people!

OK, folks, let's coordinate, and find out how great this Internet resource
is that we have.  I mean, if we take a coordinated action, all letters (for
instance, if we were to write letters) should drop in with V.I. or with the
K.N.V.B. at about the same date.  Now *if* we manage to get enough support
on this forum, from perhaps even some people who have no direct interest
but do feel sympathy for the idea, *and* the letters come in from weird
remote places, it must attract attention.

My proposal is as follows:  We try (briefly) to discuss the following
questions:
	- Letters?  Petitions?  Alternatives?
	- Whom to address?  VI?  KNVB?  RTL-4?
	- What to write?  (The uniformer the text, the greater the impression.)
	- When to send (expected arrival date)?
Depending on the result, we should come to action within a week or three.

Oh yes, I surely apologise for the enormous amounts of waisted bandwith,
storage resources and CPU cycles, spent with the vast amount of people to whom
this is of no concern.  I do however think it's correct to maintain the
distribution to "world".

sjaak
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: nachi@csd-d-4.Stanford.EDU (Nachiappan Periakaruppan)
Subject: WC94 info
Originator: nachi@csd-d-4.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:02:16 GMT

Does anyone know what the the WC94 organisers are doing?

I submitted a request for ticket information thru a CA Ticketmaster service
back in mid August. According to them, I was supposed to receive information
about it in the fall (ie. now). As yet, I have not received any information
nor I have I heard of the tickets being on sale.

Has any one received anything from the organisers in LA? Does anyone have
any information on what's going on?

People with answers can email them to me at

	nachi@cs.Stanford.edu

Thanks

nachi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Re: chesterfield.....YOU'RE NOTHING!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:57:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.120453.13113@phillip.edu.au> t8914229@phillip.edu.au writes:
>MY BELOVED LIVERPOOL 4			chesterfield 1
>
>well, you came close the first time but you're just NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
>you thought you had a chance against MY BELOVED but face it, you're just
>a bunch of shit and sneaking 4 past us at home in the first leg meant
>ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
>MY BELOVED have now won 3 in a row!!!!!!!!! (limassol, sheffield wednesday
>and chesterfield - all in the space of a week and only conceding a total
>of 2 goals)  so, all you shits out there who have been heaping shit on MY
>BELOVED and GRAEME SOUNESS.  aren't you going to comment on things now?????
>if you can talk about MY BELOVED winning, how about when we are winning?????
>or, are your views only subjective (what you accuse me of being)?????  who
>gives a shit about what you all think anyway.
>
>		GRAEME SOUNESS AIN'T GOING NOWHERE
>		==================================
>if MY BELOVED lets him go, it will be their biggest mistake ever. if only
>the LIVERPOOL fans in england were not so fickle.  when the team does
>badly, sack the manager.  well, i will stand by MY BELOVED no matter what
>and GRAEME SOUNESS should be given a chance, considering what he has been
>through.  given time, MY BELOVED will be back to greatness and NO STINKING
>PERSON OR TEAM ON THIS EARTH WILL COME CLOSE TO US!!!!!
>
>	LIVERPOOL F.C. RULES THE WORLD FOREVER AND EVER
>	GRAEME SOUNESS RULES ALL MANAGERS
>
>	=================================
>	| GRAEME SOUNESS - THE GREATEST |
>	=================================


ME TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: Chelsea F.C.
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:32:15 GMT

> gps@ecr.mu.oz.au (Gavin_Paul SMITH) writes:
>
>Can anyone please tell me when and where Chelsea are playing
>between the 17th and 30th of November as a friend on mine is    
>visiting the U.K. from Australia and wants to see them . How easy are tickets
>to get ? All help reguarding this matter would be appreciated .

 Chelsea            Home    Away   
 vs  Arsenal        Feb 27  1-2    
 vs  Aston Villa    Feb 13  3-1    
 vs  Blackburn      0-0     Feb 20 
 vs  Coventry       May 1   Oct 24 
 vs  Crystal Palace Nov 7   Mar 13 
 vs  Everton        Mar 10  Nov 21   <-----
 vs  Ipswich Town   Oct 17  Mar 6  
 vs  Leeds United   Nov 28  Mar 23   <-----
 vs  Liverpool      Feb 10  1-2    
 vs  Man City       Jan 9   1-0    
 vs  Man United     Dec 19  Apr 17 
 vs  Middlesbrough  Apr 3   Dec 12 
 vs  Norwich City   2-3     1-2    
 vs  Nottm Forest   0-0     Jan 16 
 vs  Oldham Ath     1-1     Feb 6  
 vs  Queens P R     1-0     Jan 27 
 vs  Sheffield Utd  Oct 31  May 8  
 vs  Sheffield Wed  Jan 30  3-3    
 vs  Southampton    Dec 26  Apr 10 
 vs  Tottenham      Mar 20  Dec 5  
 vs  Wimbledon      Dec 28  Dec 28 

Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English News: weekend roundup, tables
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:15:51 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu, R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu () writes:

>Bridgenorth Town 1 - 4 GR
> 
>My hometown and home soccer team, spelled incorrectly :-)
>Bridgnorth Town, third best team in Shropshire!!
> 

I wonder if he likes steam trains as well ??

(This will be an in joke for those in the know !!!!)

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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: chesterfield.....YOU'RE NOTHING!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:16:09 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <1992Oct9.125011.11140@wam.umd.edu> hotshot@wam.umd.edu (Captain Marvel) writes:

>>	=================================
>>	| GRAEME SOUNESS - THE GREATEST |
>>	=================================

> I think this guy has brain cancer !!!!

I think that comment is the worst taste comment on r.s.s. this year. People
*die* from brain cancer, and invariably know they're dying right to the end.
Insane, maybe, "has brain cancer", please, no.

Tim
From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:49:22 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Oct8.095531.9341@vax.oxford.ac.uk> stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>RE: Leeds v Stuttgart debate:
>
>>>      They were breaking this rule as soon as they handed in their squad
>>>  list ... before they even started playing the second leg match. I can't
>>>  believe they would risk everything just to include some guy in the squad
>>>  who they only bother to bring on for the last 7 minutes of the game.

>You ahve to remember who they brought on and the attitude of Stuttgart to the
>tactics they should employ against Leeds. To them the main threat was Lee
>Chapman who could beat all their players in the air. This was the clear message
>of the papers in Stuttgart prior to the first leg and, when in the second leg,
>Leeds were running riot against the Stuttgart defence it was very nice to be
>able to bring on a tall, fresh, international (!!) defender to stop Chapman and
>cantona getting the flick-ons they were doing throughout the match.

       How fortunate for Leeds Utd. that it only occurred to Vfb Stuttgart 
  to bring on this key match-saving player for only the final 8% of the 
  game. How fortunate that this magnificent player, this one-man team 
  didn't play for the initial 92% of the game, when he so clearly would
  have stopped C + C getting their flick-ons. How fortunate that Leeds
  didn't find themselves entering the last 7 minutes of the game with the
  score at 0 - 0.

>and they only needed two-more to equal the scores. Not an impossibility as it
>turned out. Therefore to say that Stuttgart thought it was just a matter of
>turning up to get through is incorrect. 

  To suggest that anyone said that Stuttgart thought it was just a matter of
 turning up to get through is incorrect.

>>>      Also, 2 of their foreigners were only substitutes, hardly key players
>>>  good enough to command a place in the first-choice team.

>A key substitution at a vital point in the match can work wonders. You may wish
>to start the match with a traditional team but in the last ten/fifteen minutes
>pack the defence (or attack) by bringing on an extra key player.

       If you think it is a good idea to put your key players on the
  substitute's bench, whilst the donkeys are out on the field, then ....
  well, you probably ought to be the England manager.

  Regards, Steve.
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: CONCACAF WC94 3rd round qualifying schedule (Group B)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:03:49 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Oct14.173530.18541@emr1.emr.ca> halchuk@seismo.emr.ca writes:
>Here are the qualifying dates for Group B of the CONCACAF region
>
>Round 3 (top two teams from Group A and B advance to round 4. These four
>teams play home and away. Winner qualifies automatically for WC94. Second
>place team play Oceania winners (Australia or New Zealand). The winner of
>that plays the runners up of South America Group A (Argentina, Colombia, 
>Paraguay and Peru) for a place in the finals. If a "minnow" like St. Vincent
>(no flames please - St. Vincent have done remarkably well to get this far)
>were to make it to the finals they would have had to have played 22
>qualifying matches! 
>
I know the consensus on this newsgroup was that the final round of
CONCACAF qualifying consists of four teams in a group. I noticed,
however, that "World Soccer" is now claiming the final round is simply a
home and away competition between the two group winners from the
previous round. Is "World Soccer" plain wrong or has the qualifying
process changed? 

Assuming "World Soccer" is wrong:

I think the maximum number of games St. Vincent would have to play is
20:- they had to play in the pre-preliminary round of the Caribbean
section but then received a walkover against Cuba in preliminary
round. Thus the total would be 2+0+2+6+6+2+2 = 20 (assuming they
finished 2nd in the final round of CONCACAF qualifying). Bermuda would
also play the same number:- no pre-preliminary round for them but also
no walkover. 

It would indeed be remarkable if either Bermuda or St. Vincent
qualified for the finals. Both countries have a population of <= the
size of the Aztec stadium in Mexico City!!

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

He must be a Communist. After all, his name begins with a "C" and he
did take a short vacation to - horror of horrors - Moscow.
From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Chelsea fan - Deserted.
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:01:20 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <Zc2NsB1w164w@copper.denver.colorado.edu>, rcouniha@copper.denver.colorado.edu (richard counihan) writes:

Richard,

> Lonely Chelsea fan, looking for fellow sufferers in the Colorado area.

I don't want to be giving out lifestyle hints here but could it be the fact
that you're a Chelsea fan that is the cause of your loneliness?

> 
> ( richard counihan )
> 

Dan
CBAR40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: lokes@selway.umt.edu (Lokeswara Rao)
Subject: Malaysian semi-pro news
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:38:42 GMT


 Hi there...

 Can anyone give the latest news in Malaysian semi-pro league ?

  Who played in the FA cup final, who are demoted to 2nd. division, who are
  promoted to the 1st. div. etc.

 Thanks in advance.

Lokes.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Subject: Re: Gary Lineker
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:55:06 GMT

am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
: Does anyone know how Gary Lineker is doing in Japan?  ny info would be
: appreciated.

	He's doing really well commentating on Premier League games on
BBC Radio 5 and playing the dopey straight man to Alan Hansen on Match
of the Day...he doesn't go to Japan until the spring!!!

		Conor
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: 1FC Ko"ln v. Celtic (Glasgow variety)
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:28:04 GMT

Matthew Moore writes:

>Then the Americans invented the computer, with some help from the Brits.
>Being a little bit Imperialist, they thought the rest of the World should
>use the same alphabet as them, not knowing about umlauts and things, and
>unfortunately, invented a code called 'Ascii', which stands for souped
>up paper tape and only has (128 -32) = 96 characters, not nearly nearly
>enough for all the umlauts and accents and upside down question marks.

I agree completely.  Those Americans who invented the computer were
so arrogant that now I cannot even write my first name correctly !!  :-(
And I have to make some strange looking Ascii substitutions when
reporting results of Polish league.  :-(

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Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 12:58:26 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Holland - Poland
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

grc@stl.stc.co.uk (Gary Cook) writes:
[citing Victor Stam]
>
>>   I hate people who live in Haarlem, and don't support their local soccerteam,
>>   but instead support the team that wins the league (unlike me who used to live
>>   near alkmaar and therefore support AZ, but now live in Amsterdam, so also
>>   support the best team of the world, and we all know that is AJAX!
>                                                               ^^^^^^^
>Mmmm ... misschien niet ( perhaps not ) ... I hear that PSV have won
>the Dutch league for a large part of the past decade (6 times out of 7 ??).
                                                       On the nail.
>Maybe AJAX are only second best.... Also, some PSV players in the
>Dutch line-up, wow, how unusual ... maybe AJAX are slipping.
                          Indeed,   maybe Advocaat comes to his senses...
>
>>   Victor Stam             mail address: vstam@fwi.uva.nl            X  University
>Anyway good luck to Holland ... after the Norway performance I think
>'Oranje' may need it.
                Thanks... What performance were you talking about though? :-(
>
>Groetjes aan iedereen,
        Groeten terug!
>
>Gary Cook
            Karel
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From: geh@cs.nott.ac.uk (Gavin Edward Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Goal.Zip
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:59:15 GMT
Reply-To: geh@cs.nott.ac.uk ()
Organization: Nottingham University

There has been some discussion recently about a file called goal.zip which
I imagine is some sort of footie prog for the PC. Could someone please mail
me with the name of an ftp site where it can be found.

thanks in advance

Gavin
From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: chesterfield.....YOU'RE NOTHING
Date: 8 Oct 1992 08:29:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu







In article <_674*_I=JM_S=Ross_OU=man0507_O=icl_PRMD=icl_ADMD=gold_400_C=GB__@MH
S> I wrote:

> It was
>nice to see the youngsters Don Hutchison (he who fluked the winner against
>Sheffield Utd on Saturday) and Jamie Redknapp helping themselves to a goal
>a piece.

Oops, I meant Sheffield Wednesday. My brain was about one paragraph
ahead of my fingers!

>Liverpool are away to Sheffield United in the next round.

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From: ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds-Stuttgart Result (in here)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 03:30:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au


	Leeds : 2  Stuttgart : 1

	That's all I heard on the radio this morning
	*Cheer* *Celebrate* *Dance*

	Eu Hin Chua
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:55:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct15.025510.20405
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <1992Oct14.202754.28838@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk writes:

> stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> >> 
> >>   You seems to forget a couple of things here:
> >> 
> >>    o  At the time of the substitution VfB Stuttgart was the
> >>       qualified team.
> 
> >Wrong! There was 8 minutes left. if Leeds had scored they'd have gone through.
> 
> Let me repeat this very slowly: i-f t-h-e r-e-f-e-r-e-e h-a-d c-a-l-l-e-d
> t-h-e g-a-m-e o-f a-t t-h-e t-i-m-e o-f t-h-e s-u-b-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n
> S-t-u-t-t-g-a-r-t w-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e a-d-v-a-n-c-e-d.
> 
> How come you all are so sure that Leeds would have scored another one in the
> remaining 8 minutes?

What would it have mattered?  The limit is on the squad of 16, not just the 11
on pitch.  If the referee had called the game, Stuttgart would still have 
broken the rule, and the controversy would be exactly the same one as we saw.

Besides, all stuart@oxford was saying was that Stuttgart had not *clinched*
qualification even if the setup had been legal.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mroosen@prl.philips.nl (Monique Roosen)
Subject: Re: RTL-4
Reply-To: mroosen@prl.philips.nl
Organization: Information & Software Technology, Philips Eindhoven
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:26:26 GMT

In <1992Oct14.143302.11683@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:

>This is a message for all Dutchmen who like soccer:
		           ^^^^^^^^
			and dutch woman I assume :-)

>The next 4 years the home-matches of Oranje will be broadcast on RTL-4.
>That means: poor camera-performance and an even worse commentator:

>HANS KRAAY (Pronounce: Hans Cry)

>This man really sucks. He doesn't know shit about soccer and isn't objective.
>His favorite teams are Milan, Barcelona, Ajax and Oranje. His favorite 
>players are Bergkamp, Van Basten and Roy. 

I completely agree with you. I was never annoyed by any of the NOS
commentators because they are allways being rather objective (or
sometimes even a bit sarcastic). Their comments were merely meant to 
support the soccer images on the tele.
But whenever Hans Kraay is on the tele I have the urge to turn of the sound
and to turn on the radio and next time I will !! This could be nice a
solution and maybe on the long run we can get used to the poor camera-
performance.

>Can't we get rid of this man?

Let's make a plan to get rid of him. We (with support of all other soccer-fans)
could write a petition and send this to RTL-4 and even the KNVB, because the
trouble started with the latter. As far as I know the KNVB (Dutch Soccer
Association) sold the broadcast rights of the home games to a german
company who sold them to the highest bidder. 
But on the other hand this could also be a spectacular move of the KNVB
which could lead to more fans wanting to see the game live in the stadium
instead of being annoyed by Mr Kraay :-)

>We're desperate!!!!!!!!!

Well I still believe we can make it to the WC '94. As Advocaat said
yesterday we are still able to get 17 points :-)

Monique
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