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From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:28:20 GMT

>Dear Brother,
>
>	I think you are talking about Islam and Muslims.  Well, Islam allow a
>man to get wed upto four women if he can do justice among them, if not he has 
>to marry only one.  First to explain why is it that a man is allowed to marry 
>upto four women?  Well, my brother, if you check man to woman ratio in your 
>country and rest of the world you will come up with the statistics similar to 
>this: six females for one male.  Now, my brother, if you get all the men 
>married to one and only one female, you will be left with five female without 
>husband.  Now, what about those five female left over, is it justice to leave 
>them as they are or should one do something about it?  Doctors say that
>psychologically and biologically she needs a mate and it's not good for her
>health not to have one.
>
>	I don't see any solution to this problem in any other relegion except
>Islam.  But the condition to marry them is if one can do justice among them.  
>Further more, there is no other religious scripture that says, "if you can not 
>                                                                --------------
>do justice among them then marry only one."  Now, if one male has four female  
>----------------------===================
>it is always know who is the mother and the father.  But if you do it the other
>way around one can not tell who is the father.  It is simply illogical.
>    
>

There are six females to one male in my country? You are putting 'namak'
in the wounds of guys like me who have never scored.  Make the woman
marry four guys who have easily distinguishable DNA structures, you
will be able to tell who the father is.  Again is this the reason
Allah has given not to have more than one husband, if so then when the
reason does not remain the clause should not be valid.

Manoj

>
>> While eating lamb chops do you generally worry about the parentage
>> of the lamb and the sexual morality of its biological parents? 
>>
>
>No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.
>
>
> 
>> While killing a lamb/chicken do you generally worry about the sex-life
>> of its possible surviving mate?
>> 
>
>No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.
>
>> Possible questions on this issue are  e  n   d    l     e      s       s:-)
>> 
>
>	There is an answer to every question.  May Allah give guidance to those
>who seek for it.
>
>
>Your Brother,
>
>Akhtar Waqas.


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From: kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare)
Subject: Gazal
Reply-To: kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare)
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:25:37 GMT


Here is a splendid gazal sung by Jagjit Singh, unfortunately I do not know the  
poet as usual.

 Woh dil bhi kyaa tere milne ki jo duaa na kare
 MaiN tujhko bhul ke zindaa rahuN khudaa na kare

 Rahegaa pyaar teraa saath zindagi ban kar
 Yeh aur baat meri zindagi wafaa na kare

 Sunaa hai us ko mohabbat duaaeN deti hai
 Jo dil pe chot to khaa-e magar gilaa na kare

 Yeh thik hai nahiN martaa koi judaai meiN
 Khudaa kisiko kisise magar judaa na kare

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Sagar :-
          Mujh ko hi aa gayaa hai taras mere haal se
          Chalti hai meri zindagi qaatil ki chaal se
From: rana@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:28:01 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi,

This is test.
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From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Awami Disco Party - a Statement on Naveed Shervani's behalf
Summary: thanks a lot
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:41:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.004107.22820@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
> 
> Dear Readers,
> 
> We of the Awami Disco Party based today in the Bay Area but soon going 
> international, deplore the action taken by the pakistan Student Assoc
> in trying to ostracize Naveed Shervani from there society.
> 
> We at ADP wants to foster friendship and brotherhood between all Pakistani's.
> May they be Sunni, shia's, qadiani's, atheist, cricketers, and disco pasand
> types.
> 
> party chairman sahibzada rafay khan


Khan Shahib:

 Thank you very much. I just wanted to point out (by putting the letter on SCP) how
intolerant some of us are. If we hear an opposing point of view, we declare that
person as XXX rather than listening to that person. It is like child's play. Children
cover their ears with their hand and pretend they are not listening.

 I am very sharply crictical of all religions, and I am very sharply critical of
Pakistani politics. I support separation of religion and state. Anybody who reads
my posts, probably knows that already. I sometimes use rather harsh language for 
some religious personalities, for which I apologize if I find that I am at fault.

 I think we need critical thinking in Islam (other religions also) and Pakistan.
We need to question why are we doing something ? Why do we have a state supported
religion ? Is it fair to all ? I also think that sharp critical thinking is the
key to industrial development, scientific development and social development. 
People who cannot question their our ideas indeed fall behind. We must learn to 
question and patiently listen to people.

 I guess I never learned how to question when I was in Pakistan. I give credit
of this type of thinking to american education system. I am very happy that I 
have learned to question my beliefs and my ideas. How to teach others this
method of questioning is one of the greatest challenges in my teaching career. 
I hope my students will not blindly follow what I will tell them, but question,
test it and follow it as long as they think it is correct. This is the only 
way they may find new ideas.

Life without asking any questions is perhaps life not worth living. 

I have nothing bad to say about the people who have declared me a traitor, I simply
wish they learn to listen to others. I am trying to learn that myself.

May their gods (and their inquiring minds) show them the path of tolerance. 

regards,

-Naveed

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From: rk@nms.hls.com (S Ramakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Natiowide Demo for Bosnia,Fri Oct16
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:54:21 GMT
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Organization: Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca
Originator: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu

In article <dogar.718919439@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Harebrain H. Dogar) 
writes:

  [...]
  >Because, like the genocide in Kashmir, the people are being
  >slaughtered BECAUSE they are Muslims.

Huh ? "Genocide" in Kashmir *because* the people are Muslims ?
Why, is this some of that information disseminated by them 
harebrained Mullahs of Islamabad ?
  
  >-hd

---
S Ramakrishnan, Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca
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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Awami Disco Party - a Statement on Naveed Shervani's behalf
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:41:07 GMT


Dear Readers,

We of the Awami Disco Party based today in the Bay Area but soon going 
international, deplore the action taken by the pakistan Student Assoc
in trying to ostracize Naveed Shervani from there society.

We at ADP wants to foster friendship and brotherhood between all Pakistani's.
May they be Sunni, shia's, qadiani's, atheist, cricketers, and disco pasand
types.

party chairman sahibzada rafay khan
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From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: re: visa to India
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:02:38 GMT

[... deleted...]

>2. To see if there are still any Hindus in Pakistan.   I have never met 
>a Hindu from Pakistan, not even on the net.

>Manoj


That's because most of the Hindus in Pakistan live in rural Sind between the 
border with Punjab and north of Karachi.  Majority of their villages are
strung along sections of the Indus and many are close to the border with
Rajasthan.


Omar

omar.farooq@att.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject: taking stock
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:06:58 GMT

Folks...i'm relatively new to the net and i've been reading a lot of the 
stuff thats been put on here with some concern. Based on most of
what I've read, i recommend we change the name of the Newgroup to 
Soc.Culture.Darkages. For example, there are people that think that a pigs sex
life has to do with why muslims shouldn't eat them. Then there are people 
who believe there are 6 women for every man on earth (or is it just the
Muslim world?). There are people that believe that cloning human beings is
like making curry...ie theres a recipe and that its a christian conspiracy
to prove that jesus was indeed born without a human father. And more,
there's one guy that talks of POI and GOI (who is this God of Islam, anyway..
Muslims believe God is universal). There's "silatman" and God knows who else..

And what gets me even more is that some people 
actually try to correct these brothers with rational arguments.

Beam me up Scottie...Izaz
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:09:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct8.131115.23655@crc.ac.uk>, fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.134544.5671@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Oct7.154024.23208@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>> > In article <1992Oct7.100009.5666@gw.wmich.edu> x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>> >>		I would like to inform you about a latest research going on in
>> >>the field of biology called CLONNING.  What is Clonning?  Well, it a process by
>> >>which a baby is born without any male intervention.  How?  What they do is:
> 
> PLEASE you're giving molecular biology a 'baad' name! :-)
> 'CLONING' means to produce populations of cells/ organisms from a single cell or 
> or common ancestor bythe normal process of cell division.
> 
>> >>	1.	Take OVA out of FEMALE body.
>> >>	2.	Take CELL out of FEMALE body.
>> >>	3.	Take the NUCLEIUS out of the CELL.
>> >>	4.	TURN ON all the GENES and place it on the OVA.
>> >>	5.	It starts dividing into cells.
>> >>	6.	Ultimately develops into a FETUS.
> 
> Apart from the inaccuracy of the above process(!) i think your are referring
> to cloning in the sense that it's a method of bypassing  the sexual process .
> You have to be able to clone  from a starting point ....which you have omitted
> from your process.....i.e the nucleus must be from a male cell (embryo)and then
> injected into the unfertilised egg.                  ^^^^
> 
> From: Ms. Farha Kurrshid.

Dear Sister Farha,

	It does not matter where the cell is from as long as the relevant genes
                                                                 --------------
are turned on, those which help is cell division.The cell can be from an Embryo 
-----------
(male/female), adult female, and adult male.  I did not say that the cell
should not be from an Embryo, what I said was it can be from adult female body,
which can be the same female who owns the ova.  If you still have any doubt,
pleace, check with your teacher. I am positive about what I stated, even then, I
checked it with my teacher, just now.


Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Why we must not ban others from speaking ?
Summary: what is swt ?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:19:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.184916.25054@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.183807.3918@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (
> Naveed Sherwani) writes:
> 
>    What does swt stand for?
> 
>  Raja


 I believe that stands for subhana-wa-Ta'ala, a slutation used for God of Islam (GOI).

regards,

-Naveed
From: azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:33:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <13OCT199208420774@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes...


>	Who told you that Pakistan should be an Islamic Republic?
>	Atleast that is not what Mohammad Ali Jinnah thought!
>	or did.
>	Does it matter to claim something what we are not and
>	can never be?
> 
>Mirza Ilyas

     	I totally agree with this standpoint. Islamic Republic of
     	Pakistan only enforces Islam on the poor and weak. Islam 
     	should be by choice not force. Unfortunately all through
     	the history of Islam, it was spread with the help of the
     	sword. Ashamed to be a part of an unjust system.

Mohammad Azeem
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From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: "No Letup in Abuse of Pakistani Women"
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:23 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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In article <1992Oct7.192217.12178@prism.poly.edu>, ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes...
> 
>The New York Times, October 7, 1992
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>To the Editor:
>  "Pakistan Provides Legal Safegaurds" (letter, Sept. 18) by the minister of
>public affairs, Pakistan Embassy, in no more than a declaration of loyalty to 
>Pakistan's undemocratic laws and law-enforcement agencies.

     Point of Order, why we must incline towards presenting our
     internal problems to others in an effort to get some sympathy?
     Can't we deal with them ourselves? The article is better suitable
     to be published in Pakistan where it can possibly make difference,
     methinks.

Asim Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]


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From: ysm@engin.umich.edu (Yawar Shahzad Murad)
Subject: Test message
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:47:48 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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In article <28600024@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:
>In Article 13274, farzin@apollo3.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>
>>I think that if the government truly "kissed the
>>feet of the west", then it would get some "recognition" from them.
>>Every time I see yet another "condemnation" from the European community
>>or the UN or Amnesty International, I feel reassured that the government
>	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>is NOT "kissing the feet of the west".
>
>Amnesty International is not a part of any government, and has been working
>for over 30 years to win freedom for political prisoners worldwide.  It
>is completely neutral and private, and boasts 600,000 volunteer members 
>worldwide.  It works on behalf of prisoners of conscience in both pro-western 
>as well as anti western countries.  Some of the notable campaigns are in South 
>Africa, with the freeing of Nelson Mandela, and in Chile, the Phillipines, etc. 
>Perhaps I should remind you that AI was also instrumental in bringing down the 
>Shah' regime by demanding the release of political prisoners and bringing that 
>issue to the attention of the world. (Not to mention its condemnations of
>Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and many others who you would think "kiss the feet
>of the west")
>
>Amnesty International is a true champion of human rights, and a condemnation 
>from them does not mean that the governemnt is "not kissing the feet of the 
>west." On the contrary, it means that the government is screwing innocent 
>people on the basis of their personal beliefs, and is not living up to its 
>obligations with regard to human rights, as spelled out in the various 
>human rights accords to which Iran is a signatory.  
>
>This is not something to be proud of, but rather, a BLOODY SHAME!  
>
>> - Farzin Mokhtarian
>
>Agha Javad
>
>(Pofak namaki, panj rial!)


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From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Israel and Khomeini regimes(was Re:Hekmatyar
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:08:24 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <84663@bcsaic.boeing.com>, baha@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jahanshah Darvish) writes:

> abbasa@ul.ie wrote
>>In a her bid to cover up her realtions with Israel and her maters, MKO(
>>an anti-Iran organisation mostly comprised of non-moslems factions,like
> 
>>Bahais, and financed by Saddam, CIA, and Musad) is desperately trying
> to 
>>fabricate some sort of link between Islamic Iran and Israel. But I
> doubt
>>that these kind of tricks will help her a lot. 
>> [stuff deleted]
> 
> 
> Assad,
> 
> The types of acquisitions you have listed above about the Baha'is, have
> been circulating around ever since I remember.  First it was the English
> Government, then Russian Government and now Iraqi and Israeli
> Governments.  Where do you get your facts from ?  Have you investigated
> the sources of your information ? Or you are committed to closing your
> eyes and shutting your ears forever ?  

My friend, would you mind reading my statement again and telling me where
I accused Bahais being agent of some foreign power?  Yes,I did accuse MKO and
I repeat it again that MKO is funded and being controlled by the powers who
do not want to see Islam in power. I wonder why you could not take my 
criticism on MKO?  If Bahaism is seperate entity from MKO, you shouldn't
take my remarks very offensive.  It is a fact that Bahai are very active
im MKO.  If your community does not agree with them, why doesn't it condemn
their acts?
  


>My understanding of these kind of
> acquisitions has been that the clergy has always been threatened and
> intimitated by the grandure of the Baha'i Faith and have unsuccessfully
> attemped to show the Faith as a political movement.

Come on man, be realistic.
 
> Anyone who knows a Baha'i and have read the Baha'i Sacred texts, would
> know that the Baha'is are apolitical and have been told by Baha'u'llah,
> the profit founder of the Baha'i Faith, not to get involved in politics
> of any sort.  The Baha'is are obliged to obey the Government of the
> countries where they live even the Islamic Republic of Iran.  They have
> laid down their lives to obey this.


It is very true that a big number of Bahais have laid down their lives in
protecting Shah of Iran.  Would you deny it?

 
> In fact the Baha'i approach is through changing of the hearts and
> spiritual means not through often-bound-to-fail ways of politics and
> force.  I invite you to open your eyes and ears and face the reality
> because reality simply exists and no one can change it.  
> 
> Jahanshah.

Asad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:43:53 GMT

In artcile 28865, HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE writes:

[...deleted...]

>>
>>	   Theoretically, this is a valid option. When something starts
>>from underneath the basement, the only way to move is up. :-)
>>These days a party in Pakistan is termed "classy" only with whiskey
>>and key club. 
>
>Is this really true?
>I honestly was under the impression that Pakistan is under Islamic law
>and that law does not permit alchohol. Maybe I have it wrong about one
>or the other. Would appreciate a clarification from the people who know.

>thanks

>-harsh
>-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------

Whether something is "classy" or not varies from people to people.
I can tell you that having lived in Islamabad, there are many people
who think having liquor at a party is galmorous, those that find it 
sinful, and those that find it pointless: just like anywhere else
in the world.  You can go to any party and there will be people who
absolutely must have liquor/alcohol, people who would rather not have
any liqour present or be in the presence of those driking and getting
"happy", and those that don't care; at home, at friends' or at college.
Well maybe not exactly college!!!!

But the point being that, there are always different people, and
as far as I have seen, there is not a predominantly alcohol oriented
social trend with Pakistan's masses.  However, I haven't lived there
in 10 years (except for visits), so there might be some differences. 

As far as alcohol being prohibited is concerned, well, if you are
rich and powerful, you can get anything anywhere.  Although this is not
a very pervasive practice, there are plenty of bribe-giving rich who
sneak in alochol from Europe or USA into Pakistan.

Pakistan also has gun-control laws, hahahahahahahah!  But that won't
stop people in Chitral and Kaghan (near the Northeastern most strip
of Afghan territory, separating Pakistan and former Soviet Union)
from setting up one of the world's largest black markets.  If you go there,
you feel you are either back in time or in a movie.  This market has
just about anything from everywhere.  Chinese sell silk,
Russians sell caviar and fur, and Afghans and Uzbeks sell weapons and hashish
and handicrafts as well.



Omar
omar.farooq@att.com
From: c3zx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Amb. Abida Hussain to speak at Cornell
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:56:38 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Her Excellency Abida Hussain, Pakistan's Ambassador to the U.S., will
deliver a lecture entitled, "Pakistan: Gateway to Central Asia," on 
Monday, 19 October, 1992 in Ives Hall, Room 120, at Cornell University.

A reception for the Ambassador and the Educational Counselor, Dr. Sikandar
Hayat, will begin at 6:00 PM, followed by the lecture at 7:00.
              
The PSA of Cornell can provide a place to stay for any out-of-town guests
who wish to remain in Ithaca overnight. Reminder: it may be warm, cold,
sunny, raining, or snowing in Ithaca, with a resonable chance for all of
the above on the same day.

Please contact Usama Abdali at (607) 256-4439 or
	      Faisal Cheema at (607) 253-7936 for more information.

e-mail: c3zx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
TheSA of Cornell can offer a place to stay for guests who wish to
remain in Ithaca overnight.