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From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: GATT&MFN and puzzling American policy
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:06:46 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <1992Nov6.190013.1817@src.umd.edu>, jsxie@eng.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie) writes:
> If my memory serves,China "regain" her membership in GATT,which I was told 
> would automatically guarantee China the MFN status when trades with USA.
> 
> Any more information?
> 

GATT is a voluntary organization who surpervise the trade, tarrif between its
member nations. Its judgement (whehter a country is protectionist or dumping)
does not have  a law binding power, but these judgement as a concensus is
normally obeyed by member nations.

US did have precedence of not granting MFN status to GATT members, although
China could use GATT as a forum to exert pressure on to US if US withdrew
the MFN from China, this pressure is limited. down to the end, economic might
is the deciding factor, i.e., 
if China's economy can development without the MFN treatment;
or the withdrawal of MFN will hurt US too much in its export to China; or 
China can find our markets rather than US then US will not withdraw that MFN

Withdrawing MFN hurt both China and US but proportionally hurt US less because
of its economic might.

Personally I do not understand why US what to withdraw MFN, it can negotiate
with China specifically what China should buy from it and what market access
should granted to US companies.

With the withdrawal of MFN, it hurts US, it hurts China, it hurts HK, it hurts
other trading partners. Looking at how Japan, Germany, South Korea and
Australia have restored their relation with China.
I can not understand why a great nation America and intelligent people like
American can take such an action.
But then I can not fully understand why America is in decline either.
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What is the different? (not about beer & wine)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:37:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: void.yzhou.721330631
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:

>Sorry, I can't make any related comment on your post, because
>I haven't drunk for a long time.  Not because I don't like
>drinking, but I am not legal to obtain liquors.  I am 19, and 
>I started drinking when I was 12 or even earlier.  My family
>doesn't encourage me to drink, but they wouldn't say anything
>if I drank a little at some special occasions.  However, that's
>in China.  Here it is illegal to get any kind of alcohol 
>contained beverage underage 21. I don't know this is a federal
>law or state law, anyway in Oregon you have to be 21 to drink.

>In China few people end up as alcoholics, eventhough no one
>tries to prevent such thing so badly; but in the US, though
>the media, and schools try to keep children away from drink, 
>there still are many become alcoholics.  
>Is this caused by cultural difference, biological difference,
>or economic difference?  Would there be more alcoholics in
>China, if all Chinese can get paid as much as Americans?  
>Is it true that when a person has nothing to worry about, he
>tends to make some stupid decisions, such as drinking?

>Welcome all kinds of opinion.

  Actually, China has far more alcoholics than US. Drunk driving
  is one of the main reason for people here to condemn alcoholics,
  and you got no car to drive in china after your drunk.


  joe
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM: a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:20:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:

>Very healthy. They handed in the letter of Lu Gang to major newspapers
>to police and tried very hard to distance themselves from Lu Gang: 

We could have known the full content of the letters had they not been 
handed to the police! 

All this reminds me of a story. It goes like this. A customer went
to a restaurant to eat monkey brains. So he was standing in front 
of a cage of monkeys trying to pick one. All the monkeys stared 
at the customer nervously, somehow knowing one of them was going to
die. Then the cuscomer pointed at one monkey. All of a sudden,
all other monkeys jumped up, grabed the unlucky monkey, and pushed him 
out of the cage!
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: E-mail to China
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:28:27
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov6.024914.4535@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
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In-reply-to: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au's message of 9 Nov 92 07:17:08 GMT

    From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
     * * *
    China is connected to internet via Carlsruhe Institute in Germany.
    However, one has to pay to send and RECEIVE e-mail in China (small by Western
    standdard but expensive for Chinese), therefore, except you know someone
    there and willing to pay the fee. The users there will generally not respond.
    E-mail a commond place in the affluent West is a previlege in China.

What perceived as free e-mail at academic circle here is paid for with tax
revenue.  I believe commercial institutions have to pay for themselves for
"free" net access.  Ordinary people can subscribe to some programs like
Prodigy to gain e-mail access.
From: Carl__@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: d_fighters and motherland lovers
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:34:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov11.003434.1861
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA


An analogy:
-----------

A D-fighter loves his wife. However, he can't get along with his wife well  
because there is a third person messing around. He asks for divorce so that  
both parties can still live on.

A motherland lover also loves his wife. He love his wife so much that he  
tortures her to death because he is afraid that there might be a third person  
messing around. It's called deep love. Ordinary people won't understand it.

Carl
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: why there is no true vote in China?
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:35:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBoEC.Bon
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU


For over two thousand yeas, government and people have been on
two opposite side in China.  Few people in China feel government
is part of their own property.  In 1949, some people started
feeling they were the real owner of the country.  But finally, they 
found out, they were fooled by some 'great' leaders.  Consequently,
people don't trust government anymore, and the government spend
a lot of time on keeping their power over people.

If voters don't trust the government, how are they going to vote?
Everything people hear and see could be a fake made by the government.
That is why even when government wants to get a true vote, no one
will vote.  

 
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|  Wen Zongyao  | Department of Biochemistry & Biophysics |
|_______________| College of Science                      |
|               | Oregon State University                 |
|  ~{NDWZR"~}   | From ~{Ll=rJPDO?*4sQ'~}                 |
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From: wwxiong@topper.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Translation of Jiang1Hu2
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:58:27 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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My translation of Jiang1 Hu2 is come from Stories about England Outlaw Robin Hood
In the book of Robin Hood and His Merry outlaws, greenwood outlaws was refered to
Robin and His friends in Sheffwood forest.

The reason I pick up the word has nothing to do with LUU4 LIN2. 
By looking up in the Dictionary, of cause you will not find it. Just like many
other slangs, or four letter words can't be found in the Dictionary.

By the way, I never did find out if Lu4 Lin2's Lu4 means green or 
somethingelse. It's been so long since I last have any Chinese Class. 

Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:08:15 GMT

In article <9252@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng) writes:
>
>	You fought back too much to convince others why you and we all
>should feel shame. You know what? Your way of thinking and dealing
>things are much too typical Chinese. I know you don't like being a
>Chinese though you can't get rid of the fact. But by logic you are more
>Chinese than any body else. So you really should feel more shame than
>other Chinese by you logic.

To be more accurate, I am proud to be a Chinese who is still able to
feel ashamed. 

>	BTW, feeling shame or not for not having voting right is totaly
>ones own buisness. You can not include anybody else to share your
>feeling. You should NOT say "shame on you" because you are Chinese. I
>regard this is offensive. And this is my way of thinking.

Nothing prevent people from being not ashamed. Nothing prevent people
from defending himself that China does have a voting system and the
leaders are chosen by election. Or simply: only Er2 Zi has voting right 
to choose president :-).
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From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:48:30 GMT
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: shicheng@wam.umd.edu's message of 11 Nov 92 04:46:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu> shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:

>   Shame on you, godless Chinese!
>
>   When you do NOT have God in your heart,
>   ...(stuff deleted)
>
>   Shame on you, godless Chinese!

I sincerely respect people who believe in God, no matter which God,
westerner's God, oriental's God, southerner's God, northerner's God.
or centerner's God. As the communication technology developes, 
I found too many Gods around world. Then I got confused. Which one 
should I believe? Sometime I wonder which God Martian believe.

I used to go a church, located in a very nice town with nice neiborhood,
to join their activities. At one testmony meeting, a sincere man told
the audience his story like this: 

	He used to eat a lot of potato chips. No matter how much he
	ate, he never felt enough. Until one day, he suddenly thought
	about God (I forget which one, it doesn't matter anyway),
	then he really felt enough!

Do you think this story sounds like those ones of learning Mao Zedong's
famous quotations? 

Trust me, I really would like to have a God to believe. May be you can
suggest me one. Some people told me: God is in your heart. Just believe
him or her, then he or she will be there. I found this a little bit
suspicious. I decided to do an experiment: I picked up my 108th hair 
as my temporary God, then I just believed it. Guess what: due to
my careless behavior, my God was washed out when I was washing my hair.
I still can not find out where my God is today.

My testmony here could cause a lot of trouble. But before you flame up,
read my question: did your God ever tell you to respect other people's
thinking? I certainly respect people who believe God. Do these poeple
respect people who have not got a correct God to believe?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:28:14 GMT

(   I--------tha--------ca   )   (  's  )  (  Fall  )

____\____    /___      /  |         \      __/   |    
| _____ /  /____/_   /| --|--    ------/   _|_ | | |  
  |___|    |__|__|    |---|---       /      |    |    
  |___|    |          | __|__      /       /|\  / \   
__|___|__  |______|   |___|___   /\______   |  /   \  

			OR

 |    /       /___      /  |         \      __/   |    
||\ /___\   /____/_   /| --|--    ------/   _|_ | | |  
 |   ___ '  |__|__|    |---|---       /      |    |    
 |  |   |   |          | __|__      /       /|\  / \   
 |  |___|   |______|   |___|___   /\______   |  /   \     ?

Sorry I accidentally deleted the article written by a friend from McMaster 
(LI Xiaowen?) who asked me to tell everybody how gorgeous the Fall of Ithaca 
is.  First I would say the beauty is beyond description in any language and 
I would like to recommend you to have a look for yourself when next Fall is 
here (this Fall is escaping) since Ithaca is in Finger Lakes area which is 
close to Canada. -- We'll welcome you to our countryside!  

Finally, instead of telling you something else, I'd warn you that this is 
also a good (maybe not ideal for painless...) place for suicide since lots 
of gorges, creeks, waterfalls, and woodlands are all around Cornell's main 
campus which sits on top of one of those rolling hills overlooking downtown 
Ithaca and Cayuga Lake.  
--
From: jim@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Where? LATEX wanted
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:56:05 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Could anyone tell me where could I get LATEX ?
Thanks!
Jim
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: why post
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:26:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.0096377F.A792FA00
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

I find that some people deliberately write provoking words to get noticed.
It is understandable. Being noticed is one of human's needs. On the other hand
most of us are small potatos here and lost previous notation. The situation is
somewhat serious if we agree that the opposite word of "love" is "indifference"
but not "hate". Two ways of solution. Work on book for future or work on a girl
now.
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:06:38 GMT
Organization: UB

/* jli@lark.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) wrote */:
* I wonder how healthy the Chinese group in the UI Physics
* Department is.  
* 

Very healthy. They handed in the letter of Lu Gang to major newspapers
to police and tried very hard to distance themselves from Lu Gang: 
Lu Gang is a bad guy and we are good guys. 

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From: jackie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Jackie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: TEST FROM HAAS
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:43:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Hi, this is a test from HAAS...
Thanks.
From: mte152s@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China's Economy at A glance
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:08:15 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <RON.92Nov9181333@wc18.yorku.ca>, ron@wc18.yorku.ca (Ron Sheese) writes:
> Since last year, China seemly gets significant gain in economy.  And
> from this spring, there was an even bigger change in China.  The
> traditional culture of China may be further deteriorated though.
> 
> Anybody could kindly post some descriptions from various aspects of
> current Chinese situation?  I'm always in somewhat doubt: is China
> really in the healthy economical structure and time for her to grow,
> or just another overheating leap?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> --ming
> --
> This a non-colourful .sig like me.  people hate to be usual.
> ming he		ron@reader.yorku.ca

Dear Ming,

As usual there are two opinions on the present economic situation in China,
both within China and in the West. One is opimistic and the other is
pessimistic.

Optimistic sees China strcturally different from 1988, when Zhao Zhiyang's bold
price policy ran into trouble. These include mainly the deeper economic reforms
which has been carried out since 1989, which makes the companiew more
responsive to market forces, reducing the burden on state subsidies and thus
release the pressure on inflation.

Pessimistic sees the economic reform is not enough and the monetary mechanism
is not totally functional yet. The world economy will not help this very much
either, with the depressed export market and the Clinton's US threatening to
revoke China's MFN trading status.

The data: Chinese economy is growing at a speed of 12% at the moment, inflation
is 5% nation wide but may be up to 10% in large cities. export growth at 20%
with a healthy surplus. Retail increases at 14% and foreign investment increase
230% over last year.

The two leading world economic organizations, World band and Asia Development
Bank, while cautioning China of the danger of overheating, mostly pains a
rosy optimistic picture for China's economy.

In the Chinese bureucrcy and academia, most hold a optimistic view, with
certain elements cautioning against too much credit. This results in a slight
tightening of credit during the last half of the year.

All the above are open to critics and correction. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:51:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <1992Nov11.152801.504747@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
> The following is From Mr. Y.  He is not willing to reveal his identity.
> 
> 						-- Yan, Yongfei
> 
> -------------------------------
> beginning of message from Mr. Y
> -------------------------------
> 
> Mr. Yan Yongfei said:
> 
>>Nobody dares to be on Lu's side. Aren't you afraid of being labeled as the
>>potential second Lu? But let's be brave enough to reveal the true cause
>>behind the tragedy.
> 
> Actually, Feng Wei called Mr. X  in Liu's report Lu Gang the 2nd.

I did not call " Mr. X in Liu's report Lu Gang the 2nd ".

Feng, Wei
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
Univ. of Iowa

> It's not difficult to see why there is nobody in the department
> who dares speaks a single good word for Lu Gang. Even Mr X had to
> say that he agreed on the content of the letter drafted by Feng Wei.
> 
>  Mr. Y

Mr. Y;  If you or your source know Mr. X.  I suggest that you check
with Mr. X directly about real fact.
 
> 
> -------------------------------
> Hell, I feel I am living in 60's and 70's China!! Don't you?
> 
> Yongfei Yan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:36:43 GMT
	<10NOV199215304024@elroy.uh.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 21:30:00 GMT


* Many of your examples are "manners", no matter whether they are
  culture-related, or individuals' SPECIAL. People may like or dislike
  those manners. But my examples, as you called "bus manner" and
  "street manner", are morally related. Do you think those finds of
  behvior are wrong, or you just do not like them? Can you say: "The
  'bus manner' is right, but I don't like it."?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Ride a Gale ... (Was Re: Questions, History Lovers ... )
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:55:04 GMT

    In article <9210037208.AA72083@ccmail.uoregon.edu> (Wed, 4 Nov) Tuya
writes,

> 4.  A guy says:
>
>     yuan4 cheng2 chang2 feng1 bo4 wan4 li3 lang4.
>     ( I want to ride on the long wind and penetrate the ten-thousand-mile
>       long wave. )
>
>     Who said this?

    Some netters ask for the answer, but Lix seems busy on other stuffs :-).
So here is my explanation.

    One quick way to find things like that is to think of some relevant
lines in Tang poems, than check my townsman's "Tang Poems 300" :-).

    Li Bai said in "Xing2 Lu4 Nan2,"

    Cheng2 Feng1 Bo4  Liang4 Hui4 You3  Shi2,
    Zhi2   Gua4  Yun2 Fan1   Ji4  Cang1 Hai3.

    My time is coming,
    Gale will take me off.
    Break waves and rise sails,
    Cross high seas [to my fortune].

And surely, a note in the 4th volume of "Tang Poems 300" says Zong Que
(South-North Dynasties) was the author.  He said this famous line as a
teenager, when asked by a uncle about his life objective.

    Neither Li Bai nor Zong Que did it literally, though General Zong went
very close to the sea: he secured Vietnam as a part of China for quite a
while.

    Retrospectively, it is a bit sad that we have too many Geshu Han who
fought at Qinghai border but too few Zong Que who swept southeast Asia.
In China, you know, the "Yellow Land" culture always overwhelms the "Blue
Ocean" culture.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:14:49 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ------- IFCSS's Letter to Hong Kong????? -------

 >From: jli@jordan.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
 >Subject: ------- IFCSS's Letter to Hong Kong????? -------
 >Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:15:22 GMT
 >
 >
 >        IFCSS issued a letter to HK Governor in the name of all Chinese
 >Students and Scholars in US.  IFCSS supported HK Governor and expressed
 >opinions against Chinese government on the issue of HK's future. My question

                    IFCSS officials are making change now,
                    from ifcss toward govenment agent,
                    at least the way of behavior.

                    They are enjoying Guan1Yin3 at IFCSS.
                    Looks funny.

 >is not IFCSS's opinions are right or wrong but:
 >
 >1.  When IFCSS represents me, can they tell me where the Chinese government
 >    and HK's Governor stand on the issue before making such a declaration?
 >
 >2.  Can IFCSS be more NON-POLITICAL and focus more on the direct benefits of
 >    Chinese Students and Scholars in US?  Such actions by IFCSS can only
 >    make IFCSS officials more famous and willn't do a damn thing on us.
 >

                          IFCSS may believe that SCC's interests
                          are around the world.
                          They have to stand up declaring their
                          position.
                          Equation of the position is very simple,
                          in logic word, NO of CCP.

                          Sounds too silly. SCC full of intellegence
                          can just make such a logic.

                          Shame .....

                          X Xu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30232 talk.politics.china:2656
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:31:31 EST
Organization: Penn State University
Supersedes: <92316.155426SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <BxGLpG.8Hn@cs.psu.edu>, jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) says:
>
>Just re-post. We are Chinese. We do need to remind ourselves this fact
>from time to time.
>
>There is a Chinese who skipped his lunch when he read "Congradulations Bill"
>on the screen and held his mouth for 10 min. to avoid blowing his
>breakfast out. Please observe others health before posting something
>which should be kept in private.

  Just a remind, we are Chinese, we shouldn't reveal out teeth when we
  lough. -)

  Poor chinese guy. I hope he can at least digust his breakfast when he
  was having lunch. Otherwise China will ripped off by shipping Breakfast
  to USA.
  One more thought, maybe the guy should hold his mouth longer so he
  can fly to China, spout at the airport, then proudly shout: down of
  imperialism.
  BTW, does he "shipped his lunch" when CG congraduate Bush's won in 1988
**S.Sun**
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