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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:45:26 MST
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Subject:      Re: Cell Churches - Help

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>From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
>Subject: Re: Cell Churches - Help
>Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
>Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:17:06 GMT

Michael, I missed you original message, but I am a small group leader
(which I believe is equivalent to a deacon) in a cell church here in the
U.S.  Feel free to e-mail me at j-reid@uiuc.edu.

>From: "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@mcs.dundee.ac.uk>
>
>Our cellgroups got as large as 24 people before they were split into 2 cell
>groups.

Wow, really?  That seems way to big for me.  Ralph Neighbour points out
that the number of possible relationships in a group of n people is
(n x n) - n.  With 24 people, I don't see how it's possible for everyone to
know everyone.  In my church, we try to multiply (not split! :) groups when
they reach 12-15 people.
--
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:45:52 -0600
From:         Theodore Penn <U59919@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: centering prayer/prayer of silence/contemplation, etc.

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:34:59 SAT zane of dhahran said:
>I would like to know if anyone of you brothers and sisters outside of the
>Roman Catholic or various Orthodox churches out there practice or are familiar
>with centering prayer, the prayer of the heart, the prayer of silence, or
>Christian contemplative prayer no matter what it may be called.  That is kind
>of a long sentence, but hopefully a simple question.
>
>I am particularly interested in hearing from anyone from charismatic/pentecost-
>al backgrounds.
>
>For those of you who don't know what in the world I am talking about, when you
>pray, do you ever feel that you just don't have any more adequate words and so
>you just sort of rest before the Lord in love, not saying anything, but re-
>maining in an attitude of prayer/worship?  That is something like contemplative
>prayer (the terminology is R.C. - they have words for everything!).
>
>Let me know by e-mail if you have time.  Thanks, zane of dhahran

I know right now that I'm going to a Charismatic church.
usually, we are advised to pray in tongues if we can't think of the right
words to pray.  Personally, I just stand there and talk to God just like I
might talk to a friend, at the same time staying in that attitude of
praise/worship to Him.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:18:02 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

>jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU> writes:
>
>>Here is something that doesn't make sense. Of the very highest grossing
>films
>>of all time, none are "R" rated. In a market-driven industry such as the
>>entertainment industry, this just doesn't make sense. If the money is made
>>with films like the "Star Wars" trilogy, "ET", the Indiana Jones trilogy,
>>etc., WHY does Hollywood continue to pump out one "R" rated film after
>another?
>>My guess is that there is a *power* behind this industry with an agenda to
>>"kill, steal and destroy".
>
>Or maybe it's becuase, once in a while, someone wants to make movies for
>adults.

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How do you define "once in a while"? I just checked our newspaper and
56 % of the films advertised were rated "R".
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>Sure, I love 'ET' and 'Star Wars', but I also like 'Good Fellas' and 'The
>Godfather'. Try making them PG.

--------
On the other hand, you and I have both seen many movies that were apparently
intentionally made "R" rated. By this I mean that the film contained one or
two scenes of graphic violence or nudity which had nothing whatever to do with
the story and which did not need to be included. Doesn't it make you wonder
*why* they do it?
--------

>Or are you suggesting that films like that shouldn't be made?
>
>P.
>--
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>clive  P a u l   M o l o n e y    "I'm pretty witty and you're itty bitty
>pe
>james  Trinity College, Dublin     And isn't it a pity the city can't see?
>vr
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:22:52 -0500
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movies and Ratings

Dear Theresa,

   My husband, Jay, is from Jackson, MS, and used to work for Be-Bop record sto
res.  I've forgotten, is there a Be-Bop in Hattiesburg?  They were pretty good
about carrying a variety of music.

   One bad thing; they constantly were having to hide the rap albums behind the
 counter because they were getting stolen in large quantities.  Now THAT'S a bi
g pain in the you-know-what!



Marissa
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:53:35 -0500
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer Request
              BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU

A prayer for Brenda.

Father God,

You know what we can bear and what we deal with.  We are turning to you.
I ask that you would hear my prayer.  I feel Brenda's pain.  I feel her
frustration.  I believe you can heal her sister.  But, as always, I ask your
will.  Only you have the entire picture.  Only you know what is best.  I ask
Lord, that you would help Brenda to see that you are with her even in her pain
and sadness.  I ask you Lord to touch Brenda as much as you would touch her
sister.  Forgive us our sins, and make us clean.  Show us the way.  Touch our
hearts that we may touch others from our hearts.Heal our pain.

I thank you Lord, for everything we have is given to us from you.
I thank you Lord because when all around us seems to fail, you are still in
control and someday you will take all the sorrow away and make us healed.  I
especially thank you for your Son Jesus.  Your love for us is amazing, you have
taken our sins and died for us so that we can have eternal life in heaven with
you.  That is most important.  All else fades away and turns to dust.  Nothing
else can match it.  No other riches or pleasure can match it.  We love you Lord
and long to be with you.  But, we also love our families and long to be with
them and watch over them and pray for them.  Know our hearts, and hear our
prayers, and be with us,forever and ever.

I ask this in Jesus name, Amen.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:20:53 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:QUICK PRAYER REQUEST-KERRY

Greetings Kerry,

We are so glad that you are apart of this list and hope that you enjoy
yourself.  We look forward to reading your posts.  Be encouraged even
though your church is going through a trying time.  Receive your direction
from the Holy Spirit and let the Lord lead you in what to do and say.  It's
so important because he may have You there to minister to others in your
church.  Unfortunately, the same thing has happened in my church this past
week also, so I guess this prayer will be for both of us (Smile)!

Dear Heavenly Father,
We thank You and praise You for all your many blessings and for Your mercy
and Your grace.  We ask You Father to give us both wisdom in being able to
say and do those things that You want us to in this sensitive and difficult
situation.  We have people who have been hurt and ask You to heal their hurts
and give them Your direction and please continue to use all of us for Your
service Lord.  Create in us a clean heart and renew a right spirit with in
us Father.  We ask that You mend these situations and that these churches
will be able to go forward and be effective in doing work that will lead
people to Your kingdom.  We ask that You give our leaders direction and that
we can be united as brothers and sisters in Christ.  Give us Your strength
and use Kerry to minister with Your grace and love.  In Jesus Name we pray.
Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--Emory University--Atlanta, Georgia
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:56:35 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.

Michael Kline says . . .

>"Lord, when did we see you hungry and not feed you?" "In as much as you have
>not done it unto the least of these..." Granted, the Bible doesn't mention
>abortion. I don't even think it mentions specifically the slaughter of the
>innocent, but I wonder...

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I don't have my OT here with me, but you can look it up (Proverbs, I believe)
The Bible says that there are seven things that God HATES. One of those is
the shedding of innocent blood.

Jim Coen
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>
>Maks
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:30:36 -0700
From:         "Glenn Radinsky S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu"
              <S05152@DOC.FLC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Prayer request

Dear all:

     I have debated posting this one for a long time, but
today I decided that what the heck, I am going to go ahead
and post it.

     A couple of days ago I read about how Steve Kleipzig
got the job he presently has.  That was inspiring reading,
Steve, and praise the Lord for the results.

     I presently find myself in something of a similar
situation.  I have applied for a co-op position with the
Durango Projects office of the Bureau of Reclamation as a
general computer helper.  The really good thing about this
is that it becomes a full time permanent position when the
lucky job holder receives a degree.

     I applied for this job back in late October of last
year.  The interview went well, and I immediately initiated
follow up to see if I was going to be the lucky dude.  I
found out that the post had been created for the purpose of
attracting women and minorities into the Department of
Interior, with a pretty clear mandate from the secretary
himself.  The Salt Lake office (the head office for the
region) decided to play by the rules on this one, and since
then the person in Durango who would like to hire me has
been trying to convince Salt Lake that I would be a good
person for the job, even though I am one of the 10 or so
WASPs who applied for the post (a WASP is a white-anglo-
saxon-Protestant-male).  This has been going on since
November and the Durango person who would like to hire me
said that I should come back during the last week of January
to check with him one more time.  He has made a trip to Salt
Lake and one of the things he said he was going to talk
about was why he could not hire me.

     I would really appreciate the prayers of everyone out
there on this one.  I like working with computers (as weird
as that may sound), the pay is excellent, and I would have a
chance to become a part of the college staff of the ministry
if I was able to make the post full time and permanent.
There are a lot of opportunities here, and I am looking
forward to it as a challenge and a chance to grow.

                    God Bless and Thanks,



                            Glenn
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:00:20 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

Gareth,

I can recall of a sect that believes that Jesus and satan are in fact
brothers, as being direct creation of God, all other creatures were
made trough Jesus and Jesus is the author of Life and Salvation. That
put satan jealous and that's why he hates God and Jesus.

Funny, isn't it ?

I just don't remember if they were the LDS or the JW. One of these two, for
sure.

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:09:30 +0000
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 1/27

God:

"God ... is the blessed and only Ruler.  He is the King of all kings and the
Lord of all lords" (1 Timothy 6:15).

"I am the Lord.  That is my name.  I will not give my glory to another" (
Isaiah 42:8).

Lord Jesus Christ:

"King of kings and Lord of lords" (Revelation 19:16).

"The Lamb who was killed is worthy to receive power, ... glory" (Revelation 5:
12).

"The power to rule the world now belongs to our Lord and his Christ" (
Revelation 11:15).

"ALL MEN SHOULD HONOR THE SON EVEN AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER" (John 5:23; KJV).


Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used
by permission.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:35:44 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Evolution and other things
              28 Jan 1993 00:52:59 -0500 from <kilroy@GBORO.ROWAN.EDU>

Darren;

Careful, now.  Nicholas is, indeed wrong in assuming you couldn't reach
a communistic conclusion from the Bible (some do; I believe they
are stretching the point.)  However, he is correct that you cannot
reach a humanistic conclusion and still believe in the Genesis account
as either literal or metaphorical.  Genesis *requires* an active and
participatory God, which humanism denies.

Moreover, Nicholas is right in saying that both communism and humanism
are philosophies "built on" evolution.  That is a historical fact, and
denying it does not make it false.  Both Marx and the leadership of
the modern secular humanist movement of the 1930s worked from the
assumptions of the evolutionary model of human (you'll excuse the
expression) genesis.

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:32:36 -0800
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From:         Don Roberts <DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>
Subject:      Re: My definition of a "cult"

>What the folks at CRI have done is to take a set of groups which call
>themselves Christian, put their (CRI's) stamp of approval them, take the
>intersection of their common beliefs, and called that "the essentials of the
>historic Christian faith", and declared groups who disagree with one or more
>of those essentials "cults".

Not at all.  What they've done is carefully examined the historic doctrines of
Christian othodoxy and found those that all historic churches agreed upon and
that are fully supported by the Bible in many places.

They have dropped to less important status those doctrines that are not
commonly practiced, have less biblical support or no support but don't
contradict.

I would say this is a far cry from the way you've characterized them.  At least
they put some thought into their positions.

   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
   Beckman Instruments, Inc.     Phone:     714/961-3029
   2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX:       714/961-3351
   Fullerton, CA  92634          Disclaimer:  Blame me, not Beckman.
   "Abortion isn't a 'choice', it's the slaughter of the innocent"
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:50:57 MST
From:         Usenet/Netnews Moderator <FOCMCB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Defending yourself (was Re: Segregated churches)

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>From: "P.Debenham" <ppxpmd@mips.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>
>Subject: Defending yourself (was Re: Segregated churches)
>Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:20:02 GMT

I have seen articles over the past couple of days saying that we should not
defend ourselves but that we do have a responsibility to defend other people,
especially our family.
   Would the fact that a person who has attacked you is extremely likely to
then go on and attack someone else be a reason to defend yourself and try to
restrain your attacker(s) if possible in order to prevent any further
attacks?
  In particular I would be interested to hear views from anyone who is unsure
about defending just themself but would act to defend someone else.

  Yours in Christ,
            Peter D

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:37:57 MST
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Subject:      Re: Rush

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>From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
>Subject: Re: Rush
>Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
>Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:58:12 GMT

Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET> writes:

>Yo, Rush-Busters:

>That was nice talk coming from a supposedly college-educated computer-
>literate individual.  (You eat with that mouth?  You kiss your mother
>with that mouth?  Yeesh!)

>The green-eyed monster is uglier than Hillary's hat these days.

>When you sit on top the NYT Best Seller list for 17 straight weeks and
>have an audience of over ten million people, call me.  We'll talk.

Is this supposed to impress us? I think Hitler had a bigger audience.
Oh yeah, and Rush still hasn't outsold 'Mein Kampt'. So
ya boo sucks to him.

P.


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pe
james  Trinity College, Dublin     And isn't it a pity the city can't see?
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:17:38 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.
              22 Jan 1993 14:09:46 -0500 from <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>

One thing I have not seen brought up, and this in line of my Christian
Nation posts is that the 10 commandments were for the "people". Not
all of the Jews were trying to seek God, trying to please God.

The 10 commandments also served to govern the people. Even the hardest
"sinner" among the Jews knew that "Thou shall not kill." It was wrong.
He may not agree, might not like it, but it was the "law".

Jesus fulfilled the law for us, providing we do His will, and make Him
Lord of our life, but this "peace and love and treat everyone with respect"
doesn't work. That's the whole point behind this Outcome Based Education.
Sinners are sinners, and love is not in them, but we shall artificially
MAKE them love.

Oh, oh, I feel a preaching tone coming on. We're not to get involved, not
to try to effect legislation that we feel would be in line with God because
that would be forcing our ideals on others. Instead we see sinners, with no
love, no concept of it because they have not God, put down laws to silence
our voice. By rights, by our "render under unto Caesar", we have rights to
stop this from happening, but still we are not to get involved?

If Satan hits us, we are prayer warriors, but if things like Freedom of Choice
comes along, we should be silent, because after all WE are not going to get
abortions. If fetal tissue research comes along and women start getting paid
to have abortions, WE wouldn't do that, so who cares? If abortions go up
to 1.5-2.5 million a year, it's none of my family. Unless of course, your
daughter comes home bleeding, and sterile. No, not to me it wouldn't.

"Lord, when did we see you hungry and not feed you?" "In as much as you have
not done it unto the least of these..." Granted, the Bible doesn't mention
abortion. I don't even think it mentions specifically the slaughter of the
innocent, but I wonder...

Maks
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:37:00 +0000
From:         ga921008@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

Scott: Hollywood + Money = Ronald REagan??

-from my wife

--Greg
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:16:00 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: KJV

Excerpts from christia: 20-Jan-93 Re: KJV Theodore Penn@asu.edu (2574)

> One translation to _DEFINITELY_ stay away from is the 'new world
> translation'. This is a translation done by the mormons and they
> re-write the scriptures to the way they want them to read, so that it
> looks like the mormons are right.
>
Jehovah's Witnesses, not Mormons.

Eric
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