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From: mard@quads.uchicago.edu (Adrian N. Marden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jays/Braves Comparison
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:39:13 GMT
Reply-To: mard@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bw6nG1.AFA@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>  CATEGORY          JAYS        BRAVES
>  ============================================
>
> Starting-pitching   good      Other than Smoltz it is suspect

Now THAT is a silly statement. Granted, Avery and Glavine had their problems during the NLCS, but get real. The Braves staff if much more solid than the
Jays staff. 

>  Bull-pen           Excellent    not that great
> 
>  Hitting             good           good
>
>  Defence             good          good
>
>  Home-field          Nope           Yes
>
>  Intangibles        cannot say      luck...o yeah...

If the intangibles have nothing to do with hitting, pitching, or defense, I'd
say they are pretty INTANGIBLE, wouldn't you?

My oh my...



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From: piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL)
Subject: Hello the second coming.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:33:26 GMT
Summary: Mr. October = Barry?

	What are the new stats for Barry in NLCS games?
	Has he raised his overall performance enough that
	we can now conclude that he's "Mr. October?"


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From: tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors )
Subject: Re: 15 Years of the Blue Jays
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:15:27 GMT

In article <Bw5H46.L50@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael de Souza) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.181311.8503@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, schablan@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Sanjiv Chablaney) writes:
>> 	America's Greatest Game will officially be a Canadian Past Time.
>> 
>
>How many Canadiens play for the Jays, and their Canadien past time?
>

I'm not sure, but I think the ratio is similar to the number of
Americans playing for the Pittsburgh Penguins.
 
tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
    Tim Connors
From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Bus Tours for Baseball
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:58:46 GMT


Jay Buckely Baseball Tours is one outfit that promotes regional tours of
various ballparks. I don't know anything about them, except that they have
advertised in the back of the Sporting News.

To find out more about JaY Buckley & other similar outfits, I'd check out
the want ads in the baseball rags.

joeK
From: dcbeck@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: my CY award was...
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:33:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: indyvax.1992Oct7.103313.189

Roger Clemens looks like a good choice for the CY Young award because he is THE 
most dominating pitcher in the American Leaugue.  But I question how it could
be a toss-up between Clemens and Mussina based on your reasoning.  You like to
see lots of strikeouts and lots of innings.  Guzman and Appier were deleted
from the list because they didn't have enough innings.  Why wasn't Mussina
deleted because of his strikeouts?  Mussina pitched 241 innings and had 130 K's
while Guzman pitched 180.2 innings and had 165 K's.  130 K's is not a lot, and
since it took 241 innings to get them Mussina was not a dominating strikeout
pitcher like Clemens.

Cal Eldred had a terrible spring, and the Brewers didn't have room for him on
their pitching staff, so he began the season at AAA.

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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Sad News....
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:46:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: mega.lsmith.719178365
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Minnesota

With all this hoopla about the World Series and all, some important news
has been missed.

The St Louis Cardinals announced that they would not be picking up the
contract options on the The Large Kitty, Die Grosse Katze, El Grosso
Gatto, Andres Galarraga or Milt Thompson.

A stunned r.s.bb looks on in wonder...
--
 Lance "Death to Typed Things" Smith  |   "
        (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)           |   
       Still waiting for the          |  
        Great Leap Forward.           |   "
From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: jack morris, pitching to the score.
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:45:56 GMT

second inning.  nothing apiece.  harold baines singles.  mark mcgwire
homers.  terry steinbach homers.  willie wilson k's.  mike bordick
k's.  lance blankenship k's.

is that great clutch pitching or what! gets to the alcs and strikes out
three in an inning! jack morris for mvp!
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From: bazz@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Denis R. Bazinet)
Subject: How do I love Gruber, let me count the ways!
Keywords: Gruber, game #2
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:01:29 GMT


I don't post very to this group very often because I have unfounded opinions
about the game and usually keep them to myself... until I get a chance to 
prove them.

A couple of weeks ago, I read an article about how Gruber may hurt the Jays by
simply being on the roster for the ALCS.  Gruber had a few freak accidents and
did not recover easily.  So, people, like the A's, wrote him off at the plate.
Well, game two should keep those people quiet for a while!

Gruber, in game#2: 2-RUN HOMER and DOUBLE and SCORED A RUN

Denis
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From: maa@kirk.ecs.umass.edu (Yeong-Chang Maa)
Subject: Re: You got to start the righthanders
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:39:33 GMT


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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Trade Clemens
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:52:13 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Valentine, how about trading Clemens for Morris?  Jack, after all,
is a 21 game winner, and a big game pitcher!  (Before the flames
fly, I'm just KIDDING!  I'm also SCARED!  And so should the Atlanta
woofers be!)
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From: mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Subject: RE: Pirates Musing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:21:00 GMT

Derrell Larocque didn't want any Braves Fans responding, but I can't resist
one comment. He's miffed that North Carolinians have jumped on the Braves
bandwagon. Philadelphians are doing the same thing. At Glavine's last outing 
at the VET the Braves hats/shirts severely outnumbered the Phillies stuff. 
While that is not that surprising, you can't find one Pirates outfit anywhere.

Actually, I'm a bit miffed myself. Anybody can put on a Bulls jacket or a 
Redskin cap, but give me the real, diehard fan. I have routed for the Braves
since 1966, even when they were the absolutely worst team in the game. Better
still give me a Mets fan now that they are back where they were before 1969!!
From: daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Tim McCarver calls Deion Sanders a Coward...
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:15:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Transcribed from the The Atlanta Journal/Constitution (Friday, Oct. 16):

McCarver calls Sanders a coward
(Commentator enraged over three dousings)

by: I.J. Rosenberg and Prentis Rogers  (Staff Writers)

	CBS commentator Tim McCarver called Deion Sanders a coward
Thursday and expects baseball to take action against the two-sport star
for Wednesday night's water dousing.
	During the celebration following the pennant-winning game when
the Braves beat Pittsburgh 3-2, Sanders threw several buckets of water
on McCarver.  The commentator has been critical of the player for
traveling to Miami to play football for the Falcons Sunday and then
jetting back to Pittsburgh for Game 5.
	"This [throwing the water] was an act of cowardice.  It was
childish and immature, obviously stemming from the remarks made on
Saturday and Sunday," said McCarver.  "I'm not out to make news, but
this can't be allowed in our business. We're wired up in that situation.
It says a lot about him that this is his main thrust after his team just
won to reach the World Series."
	National league officials have asked for a tape of the incident.
Spokeswoman Katie Feeney said they have been informed of CBS's feelings
on the matter and league president Bill White will look into it.
	While most of his teammates were drinking champagne and enjoying
winning back-to-back pennants, Sanders spent most of his time looking for
McCarver and a local reporter.  McCarver, who will work the World
Series, can be heard in the tape saying to Sanders, "You're a real man,
Deion; you're a real man."
	Sanders, who is not talking to the local media, told Ernie
Johnson of TNT that, "How can you be a coward for throwing water on an
individual?  The guy didn't want us to win, and we won."
	Sanders has been upset with criticism from both McCarver and
play-by-play announcer Sean McDonough over his splitting time between
two teams Sunday.
	General manager John Schuerholz, who spent much of the day at
home, said he was not aware of the incident with McCarver.  There is
still the possibility that Sanders could be taken off the World Series
roster.  Schuerholz said the roster would not be finalized until today
and he wouldn't comment on whether Sanders would be on it.


Well....any comments?  Anyone, anyone...?

T. Daniel Crawford
Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry
University of Georgia
Athens, GA 30602

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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Random musings upon perusing Baseball Weekly statistics
Organization: Apprehensive Jays Fans, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:07:30 GMT

I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who's been scanning the
end-of-year McWeekly looking for odd and unusual stuff.  (This would
qualify me for SDCN status, except that I use this to drop off to sleep
at night.  I particularly recommend "AMERICAN LEAGUE RELIEF PITCHING" for
all you insomniacs out there.)

One I found that was kind of strange:  look up the league leaders in
pitches per start in the National League, and you'll find that a lot
of them are young Phillies.  Is this an initiation rite, or what?
Do the Phillies only want the tough and the brave (not to mention the
arm-dead) out there on the mound?  Or have they just received 2-for-1
bargain coupons from Dr. Frank "Rebuilder Of Arms From Spare Parts" Jobe?

--Dave "this post contains no reference to Jack Morris (until now)" Till
e-mail path:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
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From: ellis@chippewa.cis.ohio-state.edu (steven lawrence ellis)
Subject: Re: Braves' Destruction
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:47:37 GMT

In article <1bfu0tINNsgn@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>In article <Bw37GK.Dt2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
>>Again pirates 5 , atlanta 0 , 2nd inning.
>>
>  Didn't Barry jack one in this game? Looks like that choke label might be
>  starting to slip down his neck a little.
>
>  --salty
>
>

Now 8 to 0 in the 3rd.  Go Pirates!  McCarver was speculating in the 2nd that
Jim Leland could maybe take out Wakefield early so he could be in the bullpen
for game 7.  I don't think so.

S. Ellis

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From: doerfler@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T. Doerfler)
Subject: Incredible
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:22:09 GMT

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From: chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao)
Subject: Re: Was Bream Out?
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:31:44 GMT

rkidwell@stsci.edu (Richard C. Kidwell,mgr) writes:

>From article <1bju8mINN18d@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, by bandwen@eagle.larc (bando):
>> From where I was watching the game (not real close to the TV),
>> Sid Bream looked out or very very close to being out at home.
>> Is it just me or what?
>>    --bando
>> 
>Not just you. A low level side view of the slide showed that Bream's
>front foot may not have touched the plate (it was in the air). 

 And the cater's glove was in the air, too.

>rck

>-- 
>  >>>>>>>> .sigs are so tired, they expose the rookies instantly <<<<<<<<
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Awesome, just awesome
Date: 15 Oct 1992 20:44:05 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

What a fantastic game to end the NLCS after a fairly boring series. I was
rooting for Pitt just because I've had enough of that Tomahawk Chop crap,
but was happy with the finish. It's too bad Pitt didn't have a reliable
closer, might have been a different story if that had been the case. 

As for the Bream--safe or out?--discussion, it seemed like he just barely
beat the tag and even if you don't actually touch the plate, you'll be called
safe almost every time if you beat the throw.

This should be a great World Series. I'll stick with what I've been saying
for a few months now, Jays over Braves in 6. Now if Jack Morris would just
pitch a good game and give me a little more credibility....

--salty

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:52:50 GMT

In article <6928@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>Thus spake fester@island.COM (Mike Fester):
>
>>>Put it this way: according to the "Pythagorean" formula, if he had gotten
>>>*Jim Abbott*'s run support, his record would be a 7-19.  Enough said.
>>
>>Well, Jim Abbott, with 2.77 ERA (~1.3 Lower than Jack's) went 7 - 15! So, if
>>we assume that the PyT is a reasonable predictor, he doesn't look much worse
>>for the Angels than Abbott!
>
>I agree.  That's why I said that Morris has had *less* to do with the Jays'

So, you're saying that jack doesn't look like much worse than Abbott despite
Abbott's 1.3 lower ERA?

>record than other pitchers on the team.  Pitchers who get extreme run support,
>good or bad, tend to have about the same record, no matter how they pitch.
>(I mean, of course, that all of those with great run support have great W/L
>records, and all of those with crappy run support have crappy W/L records...)
>So, their personal pitching doesn't have any significant effect on the team's
>overall record.  

Someone should have told that to Stewart last year: he had great run support.
Also, Jose Rijo had outstanding run support, the league's best ERA and still
managed to win precisely half his starts. (ERA 2.51, RS/9 5.1)

Mike
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Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 15 Years of the Blue Jays
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:56:09 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

desouzmj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael de Souza) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.181311.8503@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, schablan@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Sanjiv Chablaney) writes:
>> 
>> 	15 Years Toronto Blue Jays have waited for this moment.
>> 	15 Years we've had to hear from the American media  and
>> 		American fans , how a Canadian team 
>> 		will never or should never make it
>> 		to the World Series.
>> 	Well, it all ends today.
>> 
>> 	Today, October 12th, at around 6:30 pm, the torch will
>> 		be passed, the flag will be raised.
>> 
>> 	America's Greatest Game will officially be a Canadian Past Time.
>> 

>How many Canadiens play for the Jays, and their Canadien past time?

I've said it before. There are no Canadian players on the Jays. This is 
probably due to an extreme lack of Canadian players in Major League 
baseball. And what's more, it DOESN'T MATTER! The team is Canadian, because
the owners are Canadian and the team is based in CANADA. Therefore it is of
note that for the first time the World Series involves more than one country
of the world.

DMK
Acadia University, Nova Scotia, Canada.

Go JAYS!!!!!
 
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From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Subject: Re: SF offer for Giants
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:16:59 GMT

In article <13OCT199210063429@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.222615.3279@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com 
>(Sherri Nichols) writes...
>>Just heard on KCBS radio:
>> 
>>Despite the pullout of lead investor George Shinn, a coalition of SF
>>investors led by Safeway chairman Peter Magowan has presented NL president
>>Bill White with an offer to buy the Giants for $95 million.  In addition to
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>>[names of others deleted] 
>
>>The reported bid by the Tampa Bay group was $115 million, which included a
>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>$10 million loan by Bob Lurie.  
>> 
>>Sherri Nichols
>>snichols@adobe.com
>
>Why should Lurie even consider an offer for $20,000,000.00 less?  (Unless the 
>owners vote down the move.)  Has SF given him $20,000,000.00 worth of good 
>feelings?  Hardly. 

I have heard that $13M of the shortfall will be made up from the franchise
fees. The Giants were due to receive $13M from the fees collected from
Florida and Denver for expansion. The Tampa bid was structured so that
they received the $13M. In the SF offer, Lurie gets the $13M. That, effec-
tively, makes the offer $108M and has ONLY a $7M shortfall. In addition,
Lurie was to loan the Tampa group $10M. He will not be asked to provide
that for the local offer. 

luigi
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:12:21 GMT

In article <92279.190003JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> Jeff Pierce <JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>I will stand by the comment about the possibility of seeing a pinch-
>hitter for him in game 6 or 7 if he does another 0 for 16 with runners
>on base.  If the Pirates have a chance to put the Braves away in Game
>6 or 7 and Bonds isn't productive, I could see pinch-hitting for him
>(particularly if someone on the bench is having a good year against
>Atlanta pitching).  Pinch-hitting for Bonds is not the equivalent of
>sending Willie Mays down to the minors after an 0 for 16 slump (is this
>an example of the stathead arrogance which is being debated on another
>thread or just an innane comment).  

What's arrogant or "innane" about that comment?  Willie Mays started
off his career 0-for-40.  That's twice as long as you'd give Barry
Bonds, who just had the best offensive season in twelve years, and
arguably as good a season as Willie Mays ever had.

>Ah well.  Go Barry!  Have a Tennace-like series.  I hope it turns out
>to be the impressive one this time around.

Tenace-like series as in Gene's 0-for-22 stretch with runners on base?

Maybe he can have a Reggie-like series.  Ah, Mr. October.  Oops, guess
we have to bench him also -- he had an 0-for-21 stretch with ROB in
the postseason.

Hmm, there's always Graig Nettles, who hit that heroic home run in
the deciding game of an LCS vs Kansas City.  Oh, never mind, guess
we'll pinch hit for him that inning -- after all, he did have an 0-for-21
stretch with ROB in the postseason.
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