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From: draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper)
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: ol
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:56:31 GMT

In article <aHR2PB2w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes) writes:
>> if the majority agrees with their platform, they win. I don't think that
>> it's bigoted to NOT include other religions or athiesm.
>  IT IS BIGOTED TO EXCLUDE ANY AMERICAN!  The president is supposed to repre-
>sent ALL americans whether they believe in god or not...The majority canNOT 
>rule in matters of religion even the Supreme court says so. 

Well then, Bill Clinton is a bigot, because some things he says exclude me
because I don't believe in them. By the same token, anything anyone says
will exclude someone. In fact, if you don't agree with me now, I am
excluding you.

The difference is that you can tune me out, it is your right. You can *not*
vote for Bush if you disagree, that is your right. Bush never said "if you
aren't a Christian, go away." I am certain that Bush would not turn out a
person who was not Christian, just as I am certain that Bill Clinton would
not despise someone who disagrees with him.


>   There are many beliefs between chrisians and jews that are in conflict too!
>God aand how he is worshiped or not worshiped is a private matter NOT to be 
>done in public at any time,any place,anywhere. In your home,church or church
>gathering is great and the way it should be but not at the start of Congress
>or inschool or any public meeting! God needs to be taken off the money too.
>  And if you really believe what you say in your tag...to practice religion
>in public..IS AGAINST the law!
>

You misunderstand the wording of our founding fathers. Congress shall make
no law that favors one religion over another. Public property is public
property, and people can use it as they see fit. That means that Christians
can pray there, and Congress cannot stop them. That means that Jews can pray
there, and Congress cannot stop them. That means that Moslems can pray
there, and Congress cannot stop them. Tham means that Buddists can pray
there, and Congress canot stop them.


You see, I do believe in my tag, and I don't see how it is inconstent. I
don't see why some people who are religiously athiestic whine about others
espousing "Christian" values in public. After all, they are also free to
espouse their atheist values in public too.


That means that there's another addendum to the above: It means that
atheists can preach against prayer in public, and congress cannot stop them!


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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:47:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:

>Hypocrisy thy name is.... Amen !

The last refuge of scoundrels.....

Yes, one person on MacNeil-Lehrer described Buchanan's speech as promoting
"Kulturkampf", the German term for cultural strife. Many Republicans in fact
were said to cringe at seeing Buchanan on point position in the speakers' list.

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From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: sex
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:44:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

lg273172@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Jorge Sosa) writes:

> I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE COLOR MEN INSPIRE REPULCION WITH THE WHITE WOMENS
> ?????????? S

News to me: they've been variously described at times as being so sexy
as to win white women over, much to the chagrin of white men. <smirk>

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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:33:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.024603.18373@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>So folks, let just cool it on rec.scouting and let BSA provide a
>program for the boys based on decent, proper, positive, moral
>values and attributes.  If you want to join, you know the rules;
>specifically, that you agree to live by the Scout Oath and Scout
>Law.
That's precisely the problem. It is not exactly well established
as truth that bigotry based on sexual preference is an example
of "decent, proper, positive, moral values and attributes."
Your attempt to simply make it so by fiat is pathetic.

-Ekr

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From: lg273172@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Jorge Sosa)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: sex
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:41:39 GMT

r

 I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE COLOR MEN INSPIRE REPULCION WITH THE WHITE WOMENS
 ?????????? S


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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:34:19
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: awerling@nmsu.edu's message of Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:12:17 GMT

In article <AWERLING.92Aug31171217@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:

   In article <RLK.92Aug29203214@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:

   >   Does a mental "preference" of sexual partners of the same sex constitute
   >   immoral "behavior"?  Why is a "preference" (as opposed to actions)
   >   considered immoral?  What about a gay person who is controlling his or
   >   her behavior (presumably abstaining)?

   What about them?  What *is* immoral about homosexual actions?

Nothing, as far as I'm concerned.  But Stan made reference to immoral
actions in a way that seemed to distinguish thought from action, and I'm
rather curious what he has to say for himself.
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From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:57:20 GMT

In article <BtH34t.I91@ais.org> draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.205127.25269@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>>I'd like to know the reaction of an 'average' american when they
>>hear bigoted comments by the President of the USA who goes on 
>>network television in a pathetic attempt to get relected which talk
>>about how the republican party and the GOP believe in the "Judeo-Christian
>
>Doesn't bother me a bit. The GOP are trying to win a majority of votes, and
>if the majority agrees with their platform, they win. I don't think that
>it's bigoted to NOT include other religions or athiesm.
>

It probably doesn't bother you either when you listen to the neo-nazi
white supremacist groups. After all they are speaking for the majority
- "the whites". 
People like you deserve nincompoops like Bush and Quayle !

Sid

Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Oregon's Proposed Legislation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:38:43 GMT

c-wilcox@purchasing.usu.edu (Cindy Wilcox) writes:

>Does anyone have information on Oregon's proposed legislation restricting 
>rights to homosexuals.  I saw a few minutes of it on Good Morning America 
>this morning but didn't get the entire story.


In Colorado, there is a ballot initiative to prevent any future 
non-discrimination clauses any where in the state. This is being organised by
Colorado for Family Values [CFV]. They already have enough signatures, so that
the measure will be on the ballot in November. The group fighting them is 

A group in Colorado which is fighting the fundie initiative/referendum
is EPC (Equal Protection Campaign) at Box 300476, Denver CO 80203 or
phone 303-839-5540.  They need money.

In Oregon, the Oregon Citizens Alliance [OCA] has enough signatures to put a
amendment of the Oregon constitution to prevent any state, regional or local
monies to be used to ``promote, encourage or facilitate homosexuality, 
pedophilia, sadism or masochism''. Also, on Tuesday, the city of Springfield,OR
passed an initiative similar to the proposed statewide constitutional amendment
to amend its city charter by 241 votes [52%-48%]. In Corvallis, OR the ballot
initiative was defeated by 2 to 1. The group fighting against OCA is

 Campaign for a Hate Free Oregon, P.O. Box 3343, Portland, Oregon 97208
 (503) 232-4501.

This info is available by anonymous ftp at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in the 
/pub/QRD/qrd/rights directory.
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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Oregon's Proposed Legislation
From: c-wilcox@purchasing.usu.edu (Cindy Wilcox)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:08:51 GMT
Organization: Utah State University (USU)

Does anyone have information on Oregon's proposed legislation restricting 
rights to homosexuals.  I saw a few minutes of it on Good Morning America 
this morning but didn't get the entire story.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: sex
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:53:16 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <lg273172.715297299@hp9k> lg273172@hp9k.lag.itesm.mx (Jorge Sosa) writes:
>r
>
> I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE COLOR MEN INSPIRE REPULCION WITH THE WHITE WOMENS
> ?????????? S

  I want to know why people keep leaving their terminals unattended. I also
want to know why the number of caps in a message is inversely proportional 
to the intelligence of the writer.

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From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Judeo-Christian religious values
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:51:27 GMT

I'd like to know the reaction of an 'average' american when they
hear bigoted comments by the President of the USA who goes on 
network television in a pathetic attempt to get relected which talk
about how the republican party and the GOP believe in the "Judeo-Christian
religious values". I think it is a blatant discrimanatory message towards
the followers of another denomination or atheists for that matter.
... And we talk about being the leaders of the "free democratic world"
and how great our constitution is !  Hypocrisy thy name is.... Amen !

Sid


Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: fs_fuchs@rcsw66.rcvie.at (Kurt Fuchs)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Organization: Alcatel-ELIN RC, Vienna, Austria
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:13:16 GMT


In article <RJOHNSON.92Aug25093943@conus.shell.com> rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson) writes:

>  >Roy, Please tell us one more thing:
>  >Just where do you get your information?
> 
> Gee, I know people who've had abortions.  Imagine that.
> 
>  >Ok, two more things:
> 
>  >Just where do you get your information?
>  >and
>  >What makes you think it's better than the information 1.5 million women
>  >each year have?
> 
> I've heard their explanations, and they weren't very thorough.

Maybe you are not the person they would like to speak about it.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper)
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.025720.21302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>
>It probably doesn't bother you either when you listen to the neo-nazi
>white supremacist groups. After all they are speaking for the majority
>- "the whites". 
>People like you deserve nincompoops like Bush and Quayle !
>
>Sid
>

No, it doesn't bother me, because I don't listen. 

And what do you mean by "people like me?" Are you calling me a racist? And
just what race do you think I am?\

Sid, I don't care what the Nazi's say, and I believe that George Bush is as
far from a Nazi as Bill Clinton is from a Communist. So grow up and get a
life. Don't you have better things to do than to work yourself into a tizzy
whenever someone says something you don't like?

If you don't like it, don't listen. If you don't agree with Bush, don't vote
for him. If you don't like me, don't insinuate that I'm a nazi, and don't
imply that I'm white (which I may or may not be.)


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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper)
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:08:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.213135.26410@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>
>
>a) I did not imply that you are a racist by any means - I was only trying
>   to draw an analogy, using your logic that "if somebody does something
>   because it appeals to the majority - then it is justified"
>   To that logic I say "Poppycock".

I agree with this. My point is that any party can run for the government for
any reason, and whatever they say doesn't offend *me*. For George Bush to
proclaim Christian values is non-offensive to me, and it shouldn't bother
anyone else. I also wouldn't care if the Democrats picked up a pro-Hindu
platform.

The day of reckoning is election day, and the intelligent masses will
decide.


>
>b) I don't care if you are white, black, yellow or red, and never did
>   state anything or made an attempt to conjecture. Purely your imagination
>   running wild !
>

OK, I'll accept that. I tend to get a little rabid, I'll admit.


>c) I still believe that the "government of the people" should stay out
>   of religious preferences and be tolerant towards all denominations
>   and non-believers. To "buy" votes using the religion factor is
>   a disgrace and an insult to the intelligience of religious people
>   and humanity as a whole.

All the way back to the 1820's there have been group oriented (not
necessarily religious) parties. For example, the Anti-Masonic party was
formed as part of an anti fraternal movement in the North Eastern U.S. The
party was based on a perceived threat to Christian values from "subversive"
secret societies.

Is is bad for religions to get involved in politicking? I don't think that
it's necessarily bad, since they are organizations just like any other.
Don't know how that relates to tax exeptions and the like, but I imagine
that quite a few religions other than Christianity{ enjoy the tax exempt
status too.

Is is discriminatory? No. Any group will stand for certain ideas and ideals.
Set of ideals #1 may or may not conflict with set #2, but both sets are
equivalent in importance and relevence. Therefore, the discrimination just
might be inherent in the mere action of holding a belief, not in the belief
itself.

>
>d) As far as growing up and getting a life is concerned - I have weaned
>   several decades ago, even got a couple of grey hairs lately. 
>   I have a full life. Only mowing the lawn has been getting a tad tedious
>   lately ; )
>
>Hang loose.
>
>Sid
>

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From: magenta@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Leilah Thiel)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:28:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


 What do you mean, it has nothing to do with the BSA or rec.scouting??  This is
an issue that is important and affects the people involved with scouting.
In girl scouts, the issue of homosexuality is not considered a problem.  they
don't have a policy of kicking out people because of their sexual orientation.
Are the girl scouts thus not fitting into your picture of decency and
positive morals?  Shouldn't young gay males have the opportunity to learn
good citizenship?  Or must you try to shut them out and turn them away from
you as soon as possible?

      leilah
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian religious values
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:31:35 GMT

In article <BtprvL.Lup@ais.org> draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.025720.21302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>>
>>It probably doesn't bother you either when you listen to the neo-nazi
>>white supremacist groups. After all they are speaking for the majority
>>- "the whites". 
>>People like you deserve nincompoops like Bush and Quayle !
>>
>>Sid
>>
>
>No, it doesn't bother me, because I don't listen. 
>
>And what do you mean by "people like me?" Are you calling me a racist? And
>just what race do you think I am?\
>
>Sid, I don't care what the Nazi's say, and I believe that George Bush is as
>far from a Nazi as Bill Clinton is from a Communist. So grow up and get a
>life. Don't you have better things to do than to work yourself into a tizzy
>whenever someone says something you don't like?
>
>If you don't like it, don't listen. If you don't agree with Bush, don't vote
>for him. If you don't like me, don't insinuate that I'm a nazi, and don't
>imply that I'm white (which I may or may not be.)
>
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I was initially not going to respond to this, because I believe we are
digressing from the topic, but I thought I better set the record straight
before I am accused of making innendos that I did not intend.

a) I did not imply that you are a racist by any means - I was only trying
   to draw an analogy, using your logic that "if somebody does something
   because it appeals to the majority - then it is justified"
   To that logic I say "Poppycock".

b) I don't care if you are white, black, yellow or red, and never did
   state anything or made an attempt to conjecture. Purely your imagination
   running wild !

c) I still believe that the "government of the people" should stay out
   of religious preferences and be tolerant towards all denominations
   and non-believers. To "buy" votes using the religion factor is
   a disgrace and an insult to the intelligience of religious people
   and humanity as a whole.

d) As far as growing up and getting a life is concerned - I have weaned
   several decades ago, even got a couple of grey hairs lately. 
   I have a full life. Only mowing the lawn has been getting a tad tedious
   lately ; )

Hang loose.

Sid

Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
From: grusin@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL)
Subject: Re: WTBR books
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:38:30 GMT

kennedy@CS.ColoState.EDU (kevin alan kennedy) writes:
>My brother had a Where the Buffalo Roam book he picked up ad a used book store.
>What books are there out there ant where can one find them?
>
>                                                    Kevin Kennedy
>                                                    kennedy@cs.colostate.edu
>


Don't know why Hans himself hasn't answered =) but:

"WHERE THE BUFFALO ROAM" by Hans Bjordahl
 ISBN 0-9627570-0-4

Last I heard, you can get a copy for $9 by writing: 
P.O. Box 4042 
Boulder CO 80306-4042.   T-shirts available too!

While you're at it, ask about the OUTSTANDING book
"OZONE PATROL" by Holley Irvine.
(ISBN 0000000069 =)


-Mike (grusin@tramp.colorado.edu)
"I'm surrounded by idiots of my own design" -Joel, MST3000
From: ggmar@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
Subject: Please post the latest WTBR strips
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:56:23 GMT

Could someone (or those who posted the original files) post the last week's
"Where The Buffalo Roam" strips in PostScript form? Your efforts are
greatly appreciated by CU alumni! :-)

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From: kennedy@CS.ColoState.EDU (kevin alan kennedy)
Newsgroups: alt.comics.buffalo-roam
Subject: WTBR books
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:31:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

My brother had a Where the Buffalo Roam book he picked up ad a used book store.
What books are there out there ant where can one find them?

                                                    Kevin Kennedy
                                                    kennedy@cs.colostate.edu
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