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From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: marmite
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:01:34 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul21.041300.20587@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>
>And, as I intimated earlier, the sodden pulp, still recognisably bread,
>having been determined to carry nothing more of interest, is quite properly
>discarded over the side of the highchair.  Fortunately all floors are
>covered by linoleum.

Yes - I distinctly remember discovering gravity in this way. It was astounding
how when you let go of something, it zoomed away from you at high speed! 
I also remember the concentrated NHS orange juice available at the time (this
was right after WW2), boy that had a *potent* taste to a 2 year old. Another
thing, which may be found in your local British food store, is Cod-Liver-Oil-
and-Malt, which sounds like it ought to be revolting but actually has a taste
to die for (no, wise guy, not to die of). 

By the way, who are these CPC International Inc klods who seem to own the
trademark these days? Am I to understand that Marmite was American all along?
Surely not.

Tim.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: money for old rope
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:44:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.062015.9804@qiclab.scn.rain.com>, sallyb@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Sally Bowley) writes:

|> 4. cd's

C.D's ?  not content with paying $11 in Oregon you want to pay 12 quid down at Smiths, well should boost the British Economy a bit, well done, splendid.

David.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: who knows
Date: 24 Jul 1992 09:37 EST  

hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes...
>nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov writes:
>The US murdered more Vietnamese in the war than Ho Chi Minhs govt did after.

Any proof for this assertion?

>And above all the British airforce to take out the runways of the
>opposition despite the attempts to blast them out of the sky from the US
>forces instructed by those oh so good NCOs of yours.

Could you please elaborate?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: gavan@UCT_elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Subject: Re: Biggles Books
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 17:20:40 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance Not Here Smith) writes:
: I have a friend who is interested in buying the Biggles series of books.
: Unfortunately they are almost unknown in the U.S. (No doubt another sign
: that the States remain uncivilized.) I thought I'd turned to the net
: to see if I could answer some questions.

[...]

Yes, they're still in print, you can buy them in South Africa.
Best bet is second hand though. Can't say how many of them there were,
but I have dozens in my personal collection. God, to think back to
that. Biggles, Algy, Ginger ... sheer nostalgia. 

Gavan Tredoux
UCT        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:25 GMT

In article <21780599@otter.hpl.hp.com> tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner) writes:

>|Your welcome.
>
>His welcome what?
>Oh! You meant "you're welcome".

Quite. Hence my comment about smileys.

-- Alan Waldock, from but not on behalf of Intel Corporation
   ajw@aus.hf.intel.com       ...uunet!intelhf!aus!ajw
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From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:52:39 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

>> 	[More Deleted Than I Care to Talk About]
>> 
>>       Kinda like Argentina,huh?  Oh thats right, you won that one.  More
>>       KIA's than the other side, but you still won.
>> 
>> Ummm...no.  The Argentinians got really trounced by the Brits...in
>> fact it was something of an embarrasment for the US.  Argentinian
>> forces are trained by the US using US doctorine.  That they are geared
>> more for mechanized warfare in less hostile climates isn't much of an
>> excuse although IMHO modelling military based on the US isn't too
>> bright consdering the US has much better ability to specialize forces
>> for given terrain since we have a lot more to work with.  I suspect
>> that the Argentinian land forces would have aquitted themselves much
>> better in terrain they had trained for.  Thier Navy left quite a bit
>> to be desired and had they been more agressive the RN would have been
>> hard pressed to meet both air and naval threats while supporting
>> amphibious operations.
>> 
>> We're a tad spoiled in the US...we would have had no less than 3
>> carriers (real carriers...not the glorified helipads the Brits have)
>> as well as full Marine division (and Marine baby carriers) in the same
>> sort of situation.  It would have been quite a walkover for us but was
>> one heck of an accomplishment for the Brits.  On the other hand the
>> Argies were as ineffectual as the Iraqis turned out to be.
>> 
>	I beg to differ.  Five or six British ships sunk, and six to eight more hit
>with bombs that didn't explode (better ordinance would DEFINITELY cost the RN
>several more ships) adds up to a damn good performance for the Argentine flyers
>considering they were at the long end of their attack range.  Considering the
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmm, how about the British troops/RN - they were a tad at the long end of their
attack range! About 5000+ miles ?

Also, the Argentine aircraft were flying from land-based airfields, where they
could load up with the all the fuel etc. that they wanted, flying against 
a very few Sea Harriers. It was the Argentine land forces which lost them the
war. They were s**t scared of people like the Ghurkas. 

I think, considering the abominations performed on the Royal navy in the past 20
years, and the size of the Task Force sent out, they did an amazing job. About
260 KIA is pretty low, especially when you take into account that a lot of
those were in the Bluff Cove debacle.

>size of the RN, those are pretty significant losses.  Granted the Argentine Army
>and Navy didn't perform up to snuff, but 'trounced' is too one-sided a word,
>IMHO.  
>  

trounced just about sums it up for me  :-)

Neil Cook.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sallyb@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Sally Bowley)
Subject: money for old rope
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:20:15 GMT

... or at least marks and sparks' knickers. i'm coming "home" for a
visit for the first time in 5 years and have absolutely no idea of the
prices of things anymore. could some kind soul please give me some
idea how much the following sorely missed and essential items are, so
i know how much dosh to bring...

1. the biggest box possible of pg tips tea bags
2. m&s knickers - i can hardly wait to feast my eyes upon those
wonderful garments again
3. a rental car - something small and preferably automatic (it's taken
me most of the 5 years to get used to driving without a clutch and on
this side of the road - i don't want to spend me entire holiday
crunching gears and limping about with an aching leg...).
4. cd's
5. cadbury's flakes (and how many can you buy at any one time? ;-))
6. gin and tonic

i think that's most of what i need to make this a good vacation...
thanks!
sally

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: New banknotes
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 02:07:26 GMT

zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane) writes:


>with attempting to pass forged notes.  The trial was widely reported but
>eventually the charges were dismissed as nobody could find anything of which
>he was guilty.  

Not so. There is a quite explicit law governing utterance of false monies
which covers his crime. 

Luckily the British jury system allows 10 or so sane people to
recognize the law is an ass and return a perverse "not guilty"
irrespective of what any wig-wearing freemason might demand.

The Jury liked him and acted accordingly.

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
From: ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <156f11INNt2p@early-bird.think.com> sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:
>Seems there's plenty of possibilities there for calling Scotland a country.
>Anyway, I would rather accept a Scot's (or a Welshman's) opinion than
>yours.

But people who call themselves Scots and Welshmen by definition believe
they belong to separate countries. Some of us call ourselves 'British'.
If you believe every random nationalist, then Cornwall and the Shetlands
are separate countries, and South Wales is not 'really' part of Wales.

Of course, to a real Englishman, 'country' refers to the area hunted by
a single pack of hounds.
--
Alasdair Owain Grant
From: srvylab1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: VAX Account
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:25:48 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

A friend of mine is going to University of East Anglia this fall and is
wondering if it is possible to get a VAX account or somthing similar.  Any
information would be great.  Thanks.

			Mascen
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:58:14 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <nko9tf0@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
... much rubbish deleted to save bandwidth and because it is irrelevant
*>May I point out here that I didn't make this elementary mistake.
*>Nor did the person to whom I responded, Laura Johnson, whose
*>posting you have, for some reason, and without noting the fact,
*>deleted here, leaving the impression, perhaps, that I was
*>responding directly to you.
*>
*>Rather, Ms Johnson *asked* if it would be true that such a
*>person would be "lower class".  To ask is not to infer.
*>She also clearly marked that question as being a "drift" from
*>your original posting: you deleted this also.
*>
*>In addition, Ms Johnson was careful to put "lower class" in
*>quotes, indicating, perhaps, a doubt about its usefulness as
*>a classification that I share.
*>
*>Finally, your little story about the person who responds to
*>the lecturer uninvited is not appropriate here, since, as I
*>have explained, I was responding to a specific question from
*>Ms Johnson that you have deleted, not making a spontaneous
*>comment on your own posting.
*>
*>I find myself wondering if imaginative editing is particularly
*>common in this news group today.  Naming no names, you understand.
*>
*>jon.

Great reply, Jon. I needed a good laugh.

Dick
From: draitt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Raitt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:06:10 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In <jsamuels.3@lawlab_2.vill.edu> jsamuels@lawlab_2.vill.edu (Jeffrey Samuelson) writes:


>3. :) The lack of viable central heating systems in most British homes...
>      How the hell did you manage such a tremendous empire without
>      learning how to keep your feet warm.

Surely we got the empire to keep our feet warm.  Hence India.

			David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.games.empire,alt.war
From: nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA
	<1992Jul24.050033.18743@dscomsf.desy.de>
	<1992Jul24.054503.27801@usl.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:58:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.054503.27801@usl.edu> team13@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo) writes:

   hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
   ]]nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov writes:
   ]
   ]|>]|>hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
   ]|>
   ]|>[much deleted]
   ]|>

[lots more deleted]

   ]
   ]OK yes, we will humour you, the US army is great, wonderful,
   ]magnificent. It hasn't just lost a war in Vietnam - in fact we will let
   ]you call it something else, er a tactical withdrawal, yes that sounds
   ]good. 
   ]

      Kinda like Argentina,huh?  Oh thats right, you won that one.  More
      KIA's than the other side, but you still won.

Ummm...no.  The Argentinians got really trounced by the Brits...in
fact it was something of an embarrasment for the US.  Argentinian
forces are trained by the US using US doctorine.  That they are geared
more for mechanized warfare in less hostile climates isn't much of an
excuse although IMHO modelling military based on the US isn't too
bright consdering the US has much better ability to specialize forces
for given terrain since we have a lot more to work with.  I suspect
that the Argentinian land forces would have aquitted themselves much
better in terrain they had trained for.  Thier Navy left quite a bit
to be desired and had they been more agressive the RN would have been
hard pressed to meet both air and naval threats while supporting
amphibious operations.

We're a tad spoiled in the US...we would have had no less than 3
carriers (real carriers...not the glorified helipads the Brits have)
as well as full Marine division (and Marine baby carriers) in the same
sort of situation.  It would have been quite a walkover for us but was
one heck of an accomplishment for the Brits.  On the other hand the
Argies were as ineffectual as the Iraqis turned out to be.

   ]
   ]And above all the British airforce to take out the runways of the
   ]opposition despite the attempts to blast them out of the sky from the US
   ]forces instructed by those oh so good NCOs of yours.
   ]

      Yup.  And who had the highest rate of lost planes in the allies theatre
     of operations??  Well, I'll give you a hint.    They build Tornados and
     Harriers, the most unsurvivable plane designs in use today.

Well, when you don't have all the techno wizardy that Mr Hallam-Baker
derides you have to do it the hard way...and incur the necessary
losses to do so.  To be fair...Tomahawks make lousy airstrip killers
and there are only so many F117s.  We'd have had to do it the hard way
too had the RAF not volunteered...and our losses would have been about
as bad (at a guess we'd have to send in F111s).  If I remember
correctly (probably not) those raids occured before we had all
destroyed the mid to long range SAM sites...which means that the NOE
ingress wasn't that bad an idea.

--
Nigel Tzeng
.sig under construction
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: BBC TV world service
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.222522.1446@Arco.COM> lowry@arco.com (Phil Lowry) writes:
>Is it possible to pick up the BBC World Service TV Broadcast in the US?
>
>If so does anyone know what satelitte and bands it is on?
>
>

I'm not aware of it being on any satellites.  I can get it at various
points around the short-wave area of the spectrum.  I found the
frequencies by cruising the wavebands, so I can't remember exact values.
Not all the broadcasts you can pick up are directed at the US, so you
may find one channel closing down at an inconvenient time because the
intended recipients are getting into daylight and will lose
long-distance reception.

Anyway, get a reasonable SW radio, such as Radio Shack's $100 model,
then cruise thru the 'official' bands as marked on the dial until you
pick up what sounds like BBC English.  80% of the time this would be
BBC World Service, otherwise you may have Radio Deustche Welle (sp?)
which insists on broadcasting in the same plummy accents.  It's best
to do this when it's dark both where you are and in London, so the
ionosphere is nice and high up all along the reflection path.

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From: mark-r@ee.man.ac.uk (Mark Robinson (JO PhD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: mark-r@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Mark Robinson (JO PhD))
Organization: Dept Electrical and Electronic Eng, Manchester University, UK

In article <1992Jul27.160434.10173@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
>had really gotten out of hand. Too much dross US TV, products (
            ^^^^^^

Yeah! It's even managed to pervade your post. Stamp it out NOW.

Mark
mark-r@snow_white.ee.man.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: yep@wam.umd.edu (--!!HEY!!--)
Subject: Help Me Find My Way around London!!!!
Originator: yep@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:39:17 GMT


HEY!!! >-)))-D

please help!

i'll be travelling to London near mid-August.
i booked a room at the Pavilion Hotel in London.

Their address is:          
Pavilion Hotel
37 Leinster Gardens
London W2
Tel: 258-0269

can someone PLEEEEASE help me find out where it is in
London..that is, can i get from Heathrow Airport onto the
Underground and get off a stop near the Hotel?
or does the Hotel provide a shuttle to and from the airport
to the hotel?
or if not, should i take a taxi instead?

help! help! help!  



E ME!
Yep "lost in america, lost in london, lost in space" Yep
yep@wam.umd.edu


BUH-ByE!
>-)))-D
.
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:39:25 GMT
Reply-To: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd


In article <24091@castle.ed.ac.uk>, egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
>A wrecked bike is locked to my front garen railings and I would
>like to ge rid of it. I am thinking of trying using a sledgehammer
>to smash the "lock" bit, but I don't want to look a fool by
>failing to do this in a public place!!

 I believe that the use of a small hydraulic bottle jack is one of the 
favoured methods, if you've got the room to fit it where it can apply
some force.

Gwyn
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+======================================================================+
| Gwyn Evans  | evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com |  Uxbridge, Middlesex, UK  |
| DESISCo - Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd |
|  Views expressed and statements made are mine and not those of DEC   |
+======================================================================+
From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:25:47 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <92210.035504ELE@psuvm.psu.edu> ELE@psuvm.psu.edu (jeremy) writes:
>In article <4874@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU
>(Tim Streater) says:
>>
>>In article <1992Jul27.160434.10173@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil
>>Postlethwaite) writes:
>>>Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
>>>had really gotten out of hand.
>>            ~~~~~~
>>              |
>>              |
>> +------------+
>> |
>>Yers, well, that's an example of an Americanism right there (and there went
>>another!). Fellow should be drummed out.
>
>False.  "Gotten" is a perfectly ordinary English (ie, from England) word.
>We here in Blighty *used* to use it, it went to the US and stayed, meanwhile
>it died out over here (although is survived in words like "forgotten").

Let me quote from "The Story of English" (P. 122), which is the companion book
to the PBS TV Series of the same name:

The English colonists in New England brought their languages and usages with
them, and British visitors to the United States today often notice the
unmistakable sixteenth- and early seventeenth-century characteristics still
evident in American English, preserving features that are, to British ears,
distinctly archaic. Americans use "gotten" in place of "got", a usage that was
common in England until the late eighteenth century.

So, Nephew, strictly you are correct but I think the original poster was
complaining about today's usage, under which "gotten" would be called an
Americanism. Many such words/expressions indeed come from older English 
(e.g., I guess, fall).

Tim.
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Truth with a capital T
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:04:51 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <4769@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Elan Morin Tedronai) writes:
>
>Way back when, _somebody_ wrote:
>
>>>> little local difficulties in the sixteenth century (as "1066
>>>> and All That" puts it, when the Roman Catholics broke away from
>>>> the Anglican Church).
>
>What? Look, I'm hardly a religious person, and I don't
>profess to have any expertise in this area, but what's
>this about the Catholic Church breaking away from
>the Anglican?

"1066 and all that" is a _humorous_ history of England.
So naturally they describe the schism from a ludicrously exaggerated
Anglican point of view.

Although maybe it's not so ludicrously exaggerated.  Some Anglicans claim
that the church in various nations was locally governed until the late
Middle Ages, so Henry was simply restoring the Church of England to something
closer to its historic political position.
-- 
==========================================================================
Michael A. Covington, Ph.D. |  mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu  |  ham radio N4TMI
Artificial Intelligence Programs | U of Georgia | Athens, GA 30602  U.S.A.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: The Saint and Leslie Charteris
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:02:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.155955.14321@pony.Ingres.COM> andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.133831.16559@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>>
>>For 64,000 dollars and a date with Vanna: what is the least known
>>and most surprising fact about Leslie Charteris?
>
>A photograph of him was used as the basis for the figures in the
>picture "Study for figures at the base of a crucifiction" by Francis
>Bacon. There's a version in the Tate.
>
>-Andrew
>
<Ahem> What is *one* of the least known and most surprising facts about
Leslie Charteris?

Interesting snippet, though.  Thanks.



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