Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: SATAN's FAQ
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:04:09 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Contributors:
HK> Hakki Kocabas  * Welcome to Word Wars! *
KN> /* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */
KS> Kevin Simonson
MB> Mike Bristow
SH> Semhaza (The Antichrist)
??> ??
 
Key words: 
 
God, Angel, Adam, Lucifer, mankind, man,
viceroy, honour, exalted, pride, curse, immortals, scornful
enemy, friend
 
prostrate, create, deviate, whisper, dispute, command, help,
frighten, reject, forget, mislead, ruin, afflict, induce, prevent,
spend, fullfil, excite, promise
 
clay, fire,
 
disbelief, unbeliever, 
faith, truthful-subject, righteous
 
appointed-time, day-of-raising, 
 
path-of-error, straight-path, 
 
kingdom-that-never-becomes-old, 
shameless-behaviour, bad-counsel, deception,
poverty, fear, wealth, children, torment, distress, engross
commanding-illegitemate-prayers/-pollutions, 
deeds-seem-fair, good-deeds, 
 
authority, power, 
knowledge, 
 
 
HK> WHO AM I ?
 
HK> When your God said to the Angels and I : I will make a viceroy on
HK> the earth. 
 
HK> We said: Will You place there someone who will make mischief
HK> therein and shed blood, while we hymn Your praise and sanctify You?
 
HK> He said: Surely I know which you know not. 
 
HK> And when God said to the Angels and I : Prostrate for Adam.
HK> All prostrated except Me..
 
HK> I was critical about the honour given to Adam.    
 
HK> God said: Lucifer! what hindered you from prostrating...Are you too
HK> proud, or are you of the high exalted? 
 
HK> I said: Shall I prostrate for whom You created from earth, from
HK> clay? I will not prostrate for an individual created from baked
HK> clay, from altered black  mud. I am better than him, You created me
HK> of fire, and You created him from clay..
 
HK> God said; Then go down! It is not for you to show pride here..
 
HK> I demurred through pride and I was scornful, and became of those
HK> rejected, one of disbelievers..
 
HK> I said: My Lord reprieve me till the day when they are raised..
 
HK> He said: Then you are reprieved. Till an appointed time, till the
HK> day of raising..
 
HK> I said: By Your Might, I will deviate every one of them, except
HK> those of Your subjects who are truthful. I  will ruin all but a few
HK> of his descendants. I shall adorn the path of error for them on the
HK> earth, and shall mislead every one of them, except those of Your
HK> subjects who are righteous. 
HK> I will lurk ambush for mankind on Your straight path, and will
HK> spring upon mankind from their front, from their rear, from their
HK> right and from their left..
 
HK> God said: A curse is on you until the day of judgement..
 
HK> And God said: Adam! Dwell with your wife in the garden, eat any of
HK> its fruit that you will, but never approach this tree or you become
HK> wrongdoers..
 
HK> And I whispered to them so that I might manifest unto them what
HK> were hidden from them of their shame. And I said: Your Lord forbade
HK> you from this tree, only to prevent you from becoming angels or
HK> immortals..
 
HK> If God were not merciful, you would all follow me except for a few.
 
HK> I promised Adam immortality, a kingdom that never becomes old. I
HK> promise man nothing, but deception. I deceive through pride. I can
HK> excite people with my voice. I command shameless behaviour. I give
HK> bad counsel. I induce fear to my friends, frighten man with
HK> poverty, and become partner in their wealth and children. I can
HK> induce harm through themselves. I lead man astray by vain desires,
HK> commanding with illegitimate prayers and sermons, commanding
HK> pollution to God's creation. I make man's deeds seem fair to him.
HK> I make you forget important things, good deeds. I engross man to
HK> forget remembrance of God. I induce disputes among mankind. I
HK> afflict man with distress and torment..
 
HK> I say to unbelievers: None of mankind has power over you today, and
HK> you are under my protection..
 
HK> And then, in the hour of need, I say: I am done with you. I see
HK> what you cannot see. I fear God, God's punishment is severe.
 
HK> And when the command was decreed, I say: God promised you with a
HK> promise to be fulfilled. I promised you but I failed you. I had no
HK> authority over you. I called and you responded. I cannot help you,
HK> and you cannot help me.And if you  want to make friends with me, 
HK> then spend your wealth to show off, reject faith, dispute about God
HK> without knowledge, keep away from the remembrance of God.
 
HK> I am your open enemy.
 
HK> If I am NOT SATAN, then WHO IS ?.
HK> Beware the immitations >:->
 
HK> DON'T SEND MONEY, I'M ALSO STINKING RICH.
 
HK>>;-> ROTFL
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JOSH> pretty neat, adoption of one chapter of the quran, neh?
 
 
HK> Don't you see the differences between ME (Satan) and SATAN of the
HK> Quran ?
 
JOSH> though of course, why should the islamic mythology of satan have any 
JOSH> more affect on anyone than the christian mythology of satan?
 
HK> and/or, why should your mythology of Me (Satan) have any more
HK> affect on anyone then My (Satan) mythology of Myself (Satan)?
 
JOSH> it does bring up an interesting point, though, which is that there
JOSH> have been some islamic heresies which include shaitan as an important
JOSH> angel who only appears evil which (unlike christian diabolisms) became
JOSH> religions which may still have adherents today (unless the shiites have 
JOSH> killed them all).
 
HK> I (Satan) always have had adherents dispite the promise that human
HK> beings gave to the Lord that they should NOT worship Me. 
 
HK> Didn't I say:
HK> If God were not merciful, you would all follow me except for a few.
 
>;->
 
>> Mike Bristow
MB>> I was just wondering...is this good or bad?  Is this a pro- or anti-Satan
MB>> post?  Can't tell...
 
HK> It is one of those duck/rabbit messages...>;->
HK> If you are good, then you see Me good.
HK> And if you are bad, then you see Me bad.
HK> If you are pro-Satan, then it is pro-Satan post,
HK> But, if you are anti-Satan, then it is anti-Satan post, is it not ?
HK> But all in all, if I am not Satan, then who is ?
>;->
 
JOSH>I was just wondering...is this good or bad?  Is this a pro- or anti-Satan
JOSH>post?  Can't tell...
 
JOSH> it's a loony muslim. why should the christians have a monopoly on
JOSH> invasive insanity?
 
HK> Are you trying to say that I am loony Satan of a loony muslim ? :-)
HK> But don't you see the categorical difference between Me (Satan) and
HK> the Satan of the muslims...Even I can see that in insanity :-)
HK> You still haven't answered my big question: If I am not Satan then
HK> who is ?
HK> Be invasive in sanity, and answer me Oh josh !
 
HK> DON'T SEND MONEY, I'M ALSO STINKING RICH.
 
HK> You still haven't answered my big question: If I am not Satan then
HK> who is ?
HK> Be invasive in sanity, and answer me Oh josh !
 
HK> And then a Kevin answered 
 
KS> Kevin Simonson
KS> Maybe there is no Satan.
KS> Although I'm perfectly willing to consider the possibility that Hakki
KS> is Satan.  
 
HK> Are you also perfectly willing to start a campaign to get me burned on the 
HK> stake :-> or shower fire on me :-> setting up inquisition courts to legalize
HK> your acts :-> 
HK> I am baaaaaaack :->?
 
SH> Semhaza (The Antichrist)
SH> [a dictionary of "key words" deleted]
SH> [rambling deleted]
SH> [pointless questions and dull answers deleted]
 
SH> Is there anything that you find morally offensive about posting coherent
SH> messages?
 
SH> "Some say God, some say faith
SH>  I say sex, drugs, rock and beer"
SH>  Witchfinder General, "Invisible Hate"
 
SH> You are correct in one respect. When I called myself Satan, I wasn't telling
SH> the truth. I was being sarcastic. I am only the Antichrist. I do know Satan,
SH> very well, and I know that you are not even a poor pathetic imitation.
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HK> that you don't know yet, because you confuse SATAN with devils...and
HK> antichrist is one concept invented long after Jesus...for some political
HK> leads...I can tie down SATAN to the key words that you don't like to see
HK> at the beginning of my posts. Now how can you tie down yourself to our
HK> language that we can understand you...you see sometimes you don't know
HK> what you are doing, you little devil :->
 
HK> now did I ever say that I am SATAN....but I said if I am NOT, then who IS? 
HK> definitely not YOU....in my jargon you might only be a little devil whom
HK> I know how to handle...
 
KN> /* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */
 
??> My problem lies in meditation 3... in reading it, I belive that
??> Descartes is trying to logicaly prove the existence of God.
??> However, breaking his reasoning into my words, I think he is saying
??> that (paraphrased) It is imposible to imagne a being such as God
??> could exist, ie something all powerful and all good is not within
??> human imagination, therfore he must exist.  I must say that I feel
??> that that is a pretty terrible proof, so am I missing something?
 
KN> Well, actually, if my memory serves me right, Descartes' argument is 
KN> roughly that:
 
KN> 1. I have an idea of an absolutely perfect being.
              ^^^^^^^
KN> 2. How do I account for the presence of this idea in my finite mind?
KN> 3. A cause must have "more reality" or "perfection" than the effect.
KN> 4. Therefore, God must have caused me to have this idea.
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
KN> I think that's it. A bit more plausible that your rendition, but, of course,
KN> still an unsound argument.
 
HK> in other words 'idea' in 'idea' out :-> does it matter whatever it is?
HK> listen to that:->
 
HK|> 1. I have an idea of an absolutely imperfect being.
               ^^^^^^^
HK|> 2. How do I account for the presence of this idea in my finite mind?
HK|> 3. Such A cause must have "more irreality" or "imperfection" than the effect.
HK|> 4. Therefore, Satan must have caused me to have this idea.
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^
HK> with such a miserable language Descartes cannot even prove 'Descartes' is
HK> his name, leave alone 'the existence' of something 'perfect'...
   
KN> /* Kenny  *   Welcome to Mind Wars! */
HK> Welcome to Word Wars! 
 
SH> --Semhaza
SH> Yes, I am well aware that "antichrist" is a concept that came along after
SH> Jesus, though I wouldn't describe it as "long after." However, if you knew me,
SH> you would understand why I am called this. What country do you live in?
SH> Mo, I do not confuse Satan with devils, I have a better grasp of reality than
SH> that. You are the one who seems to be trivializing Satan.
    
HK> > now did I ever say that I am SATAN....but I said if I am NOT, then who IS?   
HK> > definitely not YOU....in my jargon you might only be a little devil whom  
HK> > I know how to handle...  
 
SH> So you are asking a question in the search for information?
 
HK> no, no, no...
HK> I am NOT asking a question in search for information - NOT AT ALL..
HK> but I am urging you to use intellect, while you have time and resources...
HK> I really cannot help you more than that, if you give up that means
HK> you have already given in...I WANT YOU TALK, rather than mumble, like
HK> you do in your FAQ...can't you see the misery of it in contrast to 
HK> my FAQ...yes you do...but you expect me to fade away like a sun spot
HK> on your popo, in time....like a cancer patient, you hallucinate that
HK> if you ignore me, I may disappear :->...however, I'll be around giving 
HK> you real headache pushing forward your petite philosophical worries 
HK> ever and ever again...
HK> why shall _I_ give up, I know that you are the one who is 
HK> going to melt away...or boil down to nought :->
HK> I am watching you with o^o o^o eyes...after I play with you a while
HK> than I will simply say : 'Done with you Semhaza!, I am getting bored
HK> with you performance...'
HK> DON'T SEND MONEY, I'M ALSO STINKING RICH.