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From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:54:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.001718.3341@athena.mit.edu> clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.191044.269@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>>	
>>	Nope, Jian4-Zhon1 might have more hard-studying students,
>>	more acadamical reputation, but HSNU is good at uniformly
>>	devoloping students' personality, skills, maturity. I am
>>	proud of being part of it.
>>
>>	Paul (H472)
>
>	I have something to say about "personality, skills, maturity". All
>of them are not easy to evaluate. However, there are some criteria that might
>be helpful for us to get a rough idea about the personalities, skills, and
>maturities of the students from a specific school. For instance: How are
>they involved in extracurricular activities? How do they achieve in 
>inter-school contests? How many of them enter the Hall-of-Fame in their
>own careers?
>
>	To the best of my knowledge, Jian4-Zhon1 is the high school in 
>Taiwan that has most extracurricular associations (in my high school
>days, there were around one hundred). Every year Jian4-Zhon1's students
>hold a music concert in Dr. Sun Yeh-Sen Memorial Auditorium and present
>a state-of-the-art performance which is considered far beyond what you
>can expect from high school kids. Just to name a few. Dig deeper into
>these aspects and you will have a better idea and be able to come up
>with a more convincing argument.
>
>Chia-Liang Lin
>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
>Massachusetts Institute of Technology 
	
	I believe that we all know why Jian4-Zhon1 has more students
	who can actually play instruments professionally, play sports
	professionally, get the highest place in lots inter-school
	contests.... Because lots excellent junior high students who
	have potential in these area will be accepted by Jian4-Zhon1
	in the recommandation of the Taipei Education Bureau. That's
	because those students were good in those areas, not because
	that Jian4-Zhon1's education is more successful. I can't give
	you any example stating that HSNU's education is more successful,
	I said that simply because I honestly feel that no other high
	school can give me so much like HSNU gave me and I DO think
	that averagely speaking, HSNU's education is better than Jian4-
	Zhon1.

	Paul (H472)
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From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those good old days (Re: Junior High)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:48:19 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr15.214339.19292@athena.mit.edu>, clin@athena.mit.edu (Chia-Liang Lin) writes:
> 
> 	Thank you for reminding us of those good old days. I have some
> questions that some of you may be able to answer. I heard that once
> upon a time, Jian4-Zhong1's students claimed that the Ji2-Wu4-Yuan2
> (botanical garden) was part of their campus and Mei3-Hsin1-Chu4 (American
> News Center) was indeed their library, based upon the fact that there
> was no wall to confine the campus of Jian4-Zhong1. In those days Jian4-Zhong1
> provided a unique academic atmosphere for her students to pursue the
> excellence. However, later on somehow a wall was built to confine the
> campus and the atmosphere of Jian4-Zhong1 was consequently changed. 
> I wonder if any one of you knows something about that story. I guess
> many "old cameleer (Lau3-Tuo2-Ke4)" are interested in it.
> 
> Chia-Liang Lin  


	** I don't remember things like walls. 
	   However, it happened at the beginning of my 12th grade. School
	   prohibited students going out of campus during school hours.
	   That means you have to stay in school between 8 and 5. 
	   Before that, student can go outside "anytime". Of course,
	   the best time is during the lunch break.
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Yeun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Romanized Taiwanese
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:59:38 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

I wrote :
>>Romanized Taiwanese is a part of Taiwanese culture.  

In article <1992Apr16.151540.10201@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu 
(Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>Sigh... if you insist...
>When a pastor says you shouldn't worship idols like Guan1 Ying1, Mar1
>Zu3, and you shouldn't even Gi4 Zu3 (worship your ancestors), you
>comply, and this becomes part of Taiwanese Culture... O man...

It seems that you still cannot understand.  Let me explain it to you
again.

Just like any Chinese song written in "Western" music notation, using the 
staff, is a part of Chinese culture, dispite that there is traditional 
Chinese music notation, Romanized Taiwanese is a part of Taiwanese culture.  
A language, just like music, is much more than a written form.  I hope you 
can understand this.

Also, Romanized Taiwanese is not necessary related to Christianity.  There
are many Taiwanese written systems based on the Romanized form.  There are
hundreds of Taiwanese college students communicating with each other through
Internet using these Romanized systems everyday.   And there are Taiwanese
lanagues club in almost every university.   They are using the same systems.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: Mr. Horne, WHY DON'T YOU GET LOST??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:02:35 GMT

Hey yo Horne man...why don't you get lost or go get a life?  Huh?  Ha hahah
hahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahaah

 |\/\/\/|
 |      |
 |      |
 | (o)(o)
 C      _)
  | ,___|          DON'T HAVE A COW, 
  |   /            MAN !  YOU'RE A LOSER, ADMIT IT !!
  /____\
 /      \

Well...kinda hard to tell a little kid all this...way too deep ya know...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:45:28 GMT
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

In article <1992Apr9.184015.12658@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>
>recognized by having all three essential parts, no more  no less. Since ROC
>has lost its territory, it shouldn't exist any more, unless using another
>name such as Taiwan or ROT, etc. 
>

Would you care to post the above sentence to soc.culture.korea? During
the WWII, the Korean government in exile was in ChongQing. Did the
Korean government have any territory?

Chou1
P.S. For those of you who are following the exchange between Mr. Joe 
Huang and Mr. Anonymous. Mr. Huang said that Japan surrendered to
ChongQing which was interpreted as the U.S. and British. The Korean
government in exile was there too, why didn't it count?
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: just testing
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:11:11 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr14.160623.28001@acsu.buffalo.edu>, stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu wrote:  
> 
>>iN article <1992Apr12.202156@IASTATE.EDU>, aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif) writes:
>>> I wanna know how far the Taipei airport is from the Nationl Taiwan Normal
>>> University.
>>
>>
>>	** Take bus from the airport to downtown taipei.
>>	   Then take city bus Rt.#3 or Rt.#15
>>	   It takes about 1.5 hr.
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>    1.5 Hours ?    
>    I do not think so.

	** All right. 2 hours, which include the time of bus transfer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kuolin@oregon.uoregon.edu (Yeong-Kuo Lin)
Subject: Re: Be like Scott!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:02 PDT  

In article <1992Apr10.201300.29057@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 ) writes...
The great Great GREAT country. China. People Republic of China. Who make
the most powerful weapon. The country who own the most powerful nuclear
bomb. Who could destroy the earth easily. I prefer American take me as a
japaness, not Chinese. Because Japaness mean Toyota, walkman, VCR. Something
don't feel so terrible. Chinese mean weapon, killing students.
I prefer prefer as a Japaness. furthermore, Taiwanness is also good. Chinese
always make people to relate Killing students, weapons.

>Come on people!  Let's not pick on little innocent Scott...he's
>right!!  Everybody knows that Mao rules and that communism is the best political
>system in the world!!  Also, everybody knows that Taiwan is not that important
>in the world...it's so small...so poor...so rebellious...after all, we are only
>the richest country in the world (US$76 bill.), the #2 maker of micro chips
>in the world, #1 maker of computers monitors in the world, #1 maker of computer mouse in the world, #7 maker of computers in the world, #...#...#...the world 
>will do just fine without us...oh, #1 major project market in the world 
>(6-Year...), so Taiwan is very insignificant in the world...it doesn't even 
>have an UN seat...not a GATT member...not a...not a...and not this...
>....why is that huh?  Because we have nice people like Mr. Scott Horne in the
>world to help us out...  Thank you very much Mr. Horne and thank you Deng and
>thank you Mao and...and...and...LONG LIVE THE PRC!!!
> 
>Steve Chen
>University of Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.191044.269@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.100425.2943@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:
>>
>>	** Hay, I think Jian Guo Zhon Hsieh is better than HSNU.
>>	   People from Jian Zhon should have a better high school
>>	   life. Shouldn't it? 
>	
>	Nope, Jian4-Zhon1 might have more hard-studying students,
>	more acadamical reputation, but HSNU is good at uniformly
>	devoloping students' personality, skills, maturity. I am
>	proud of being part of it.


	Well, I am not sure I would like to be "uniformly" developed.
	In my experiences in Jian4-Zhon1, no one was there to tell me
	how I should be developed (as the common believe is: that's your
	own decision). Actually, there I met a group of people that were
	very diversified (or strange to a degree) in both thinking,
	personalities, and skills (don't know about "maturity" though,
	who needed that anyway :-) Frankly, because of the atomsphere,
	I always think it is a wrong place for some hard-studying students
	to attend the school since they were often distracted.

	I am not pround to be part of the Jian4-Zhon1, I am only happy
	that it was part of my life. This posting has no intend to
	offend HSNUers, I have too many friends from that school :-)

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: liuc@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Chia-Liang Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NON-POLITICAL Gin1 Young's novels
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:17:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12050
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering

In article <1992Apr07.025924.23241@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>
>Do Zhang San Feng and Wu Dang Pai appear in Xiao Au Jiang Hu? Perhaps you
>are thinking about Yi3 Tian1 Tu2 Long2 Ji4?
>

Chang San Feng does not appear in Hsiao Ao Chiang Hu; but Wu Tang P'ai
does. That exactly means that 'Hiao' stories occur in
post-ChangTianShih era.

-- 
Ka-Leung Lau ( Chia-Liang Liu )
Digital Communications Research Laboratory
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering 
University of California, Davis (Cal Aggies)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:54:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.194527.15536@acsu.buffalo.edu> chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang) writes:
>horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
>>That's all you got out of the story?!  So much for Taiwan's "education"
>>system....
>
>It takes a very simple-minded (read stupid :-) person to judge the entire
>"education" system by a single person's interpretation of one story.
>
>Besides, when did you read the story? What did you "get" out of the story? 
>Horne? 
>
>-Chunshi Chang
I did find out that people from Taiwan tend to be old fashioned Chinese,
little naive, innesent. No intension to be offensive.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Epidemic" (Re: Most Ridiculous ?...)
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:22:02 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

[Sigh... S/He just won't let go. Is s/he?]

>>lko@math.rutgers.edu (lko) writes:
>>------------ 1 ----------------------------------------------------------
>    In the relevant time frame, ROC=KMT. No confusion.

Do you live in the past? Please open your eyes, look around you,
you would find a different (and hopefully better) world.

>>------------ 2 ----------------------------------------------------------
>    How the credits should be sliced between Japanese and Taiwanese
>for the infrastructure built by the end of the War is a separate
>topic, which I wasn't addressing. But ROC/KMT simply can not claim
>any credit for what existed before it entered the scene.

I don't know how old you are (you seems to have witness "the end of the
War" :-). And I don't care if KMT is claiming credits for "what existed
before it" or not. I just wondering why in the world you keep
emphasizing the meager contributions made by the Japanese 50 years
ago.  While ignoring the efforts made by the majority
Taiwanese/Chinese? Why?

>>------------ 3 ----------------------------------------------------------
>    Most of what I provided was quoted from a book which I gave 
>the exact reference. Netters can judge for themselves how much they 
>believe in the book. This is different from 10 years old kids 
>being taught the *conclusions* the government want them to know.
>Aside from the book, I brought up my own and my parents' experience.
>How relevant are they? Well, you have no objection to the statement 
>that cholera epidemic did occure during ROC time. And if I should be
>wrong to infer from my parents experience that there was no epidemic 
>occuring within about 20 years prior to the end of the War, I would
>be happy to be corrected. Just present your evidence.

A book? So it got to be right? As for the epidemic, please see my
another article (the original reply to your article which started this
thread).  Have a nice day...

-Chunshi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:23:30 GMT

In article <Apr.14.11.36.18.1992.24526@math.rutgers.edu> lko@math.rutgers.edu (lko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.061927.24882@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>
>> 	Easy, people used ballots to show that they rather stay in 
>> 	ROC in stead of being ROT's citizens.
>
>    
>    Let's put aside the word "proudly" in your statement for the
>moment. Tell me, was the last election a referendom on whether
>people prefer to be citizen of ROC or citizen of ROT?
>

	Yes, because lots DPP candidates referred ROT as their principle
	issue in last election. They resulted themselves into the worst
	place for elections ever. Doesn't that mean that people prefer
	ROC much better than ROT? Even Mr. Hsu admit this fact, I dunno
	why you doubt about it?

>
>
>> PS: you might doubt about the correctness of the translation I made
>> above, if so, please read "China Times Weekly Feb. 16th to Feb. 22nd",
>> American Edition, page 36 to 38, title "DPP is in favor of maintaining
>> Taiwan's present state", sub-title "interview of DPP chairman - Hsu,
>> Hsin-liang".
>
>   
>    China Times, one of the two newspapers grew to a giant during
>the last several decades of ban on newspapers, is not where I take
>the headlines seriously. Didn't KMT issue a warning that DPP would 
>be disbanded if it did not remove its ROT resolution? Didn't both 
>Hsu and Huang, the current and the former chairman of DPP, stand 
>by their party's decision and refuse to yield to the threat? Don't
>you think these don't go well with the picture you tried to present?
>
>
>lehhun

	This is rediculous, the report I referred is an interview
	for Mr. Hsu, Hsin-liang, all the contain were said by him.
	Are you telling me that China Times Weekly made his words
	up? I am pretty sure that they wouldn't be so stupid. 
	The thing I find out here is that lots netters here don't
	accept facts. THIS is the fact that he did say those words.
	You shouldn't misguide other netters here.

	Paul
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 19:23:14 CDT
From: <U49110@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Jian4 Guo2 Sr. High (was Re: Those good old days...)
 <1992Apr16.155239.2964@vax.muskingum.edu>

In article <1992Apr16.155239.2964@vax.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
says:
....... lines deleted ......
>        ** Do they replace it with another Hong Lou?
>
>           I never stayed in Hong Lou before. I don't really like
>           it. I think it was left by Japanese.
      As far as I can still remember, Hong2-Lou2 was re-enforced by replacing
      most of its wooden material into steel-cement structure.
      No classroom is assigned and only the principal's office
      and alum. room were in Hong2-Lou2.  I'm talking about '77-79.

      R. Lin
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:11:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr16.131123.23749
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.101427.10761@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.215629.9888@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
>>...
>>system in Taiwan should be presidential or parliamentary.  In the latter,
>
>President.  It did not stop strongman tradition then.  A more effective
>prescription would be to have a much more decentralized government
>structure with local and provincial governments makes more decisions.
>...

	I hope you people have watched PBS's Frontline Special last night
	about the problems of democracy in the U.S. How the president should
	be elected is not really the most important issue. What is important
	is how people can control the operations of their government besides
	a short span of time during "election". I am afraid Taiwan is stepping
	toward the wrong direction (toward the American way :-( ...

Yung-Kao Hsu

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (TAIWAN!!! 5/18/92 )
Subject: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:01:13 GMT

Does the ROC government have the control of Taiwan today?  I think so...
Does the PRC government have the control of Taiwan today?  I don't think so...
So what in the world is the debate of which government is legitimate or not?
Everyone in Taiwan knows that Taiwan was taken over by the KMT after their
defeat in '49 (now that the 228 incident is included in school text books).
But everyone also knows that the government is working toward democracy.
Just look at the number of Taiwanese defending their own land (including me)
when Scott Horne started posting...that ought to tell lots of people about how
the people of Taiwan feel about their "own" country.  Also, China better not
do any stupid moves...'cuz without Taiwan (China's largest trading partner, 
ironic isn't it?), China's economic growth won't be as fast as it is today.
*some of the facts above might be out dated...not that much off though*

Steve Chen, dude raised in Kaohsiung...:)
University of Illinois
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: just testing
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:26:00 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr12.202156@IASTATE.EDU>, aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif) writes:
> I wanna know how far the Taipei airport is from the Nationl Taiwan Normal
> University.


	** Take bus from the airport to downtown taipei.
	   Then take city bus Rt.#3 or Rt.#15
	   It takes about 1.5 hr.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:7197 soc.culture.china:12433
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: National Identity (Re: Joe)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:05:30 GMT
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <9204090030.AA13613@cory.Berkeley.EDU>:
>  Some how the Yellow river is worshiped with much more
>respect than Tamsui river.  KMT state worship Yellow river so much
>through media and educational system etc. but encourages the type of
>development that pollutes Taiwan's rivers. 

Yellow river is worshiped because it's the Birth place of Chinese (East Asian)
Civilization.  (At the great bent of the Yellow River, to be exact.)  Its
worship has nothing to do with its water quality or any conspiracy to justify
pollution.  I think problem with pollution is about the delicate balance 
between environment and development.

>desirable for the population on the land to love the land.

People love the land only on the CONDITION that they believe the land loves
them by supporting their good life.

<>>>Hua-ren is not a national identity?  Tell me it is just a word game.

Indeed.  It's not a national identity, but a ethnic/cultural identity.
"national" is a somewhat political word.  Hua-ren however contains absolutely
on political connotation.  Hua-ren (Chinese) can be citizens of any nation.

<>Ok, if Hua-ren is not a national identity, what does Hua-yi means?
<>Yi simbolize kinship!  What can be more nationalistic than that?

What can I say!  I can't figure out what's Hua-yi.  (I no Chinese, btw.)

harry/kb2lha
From: chang@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov (Chau-Lyan Chang)
Subject: Re: Why did Huang Shun Xin defect to China?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.155638.4270@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>
>>From:  James Ou, <jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu>
>>Source: soc.culture.china, April 4, 1992, abridged by CND
>>
>>Taiwanese delegate Huang2 Shun4 Xing1, the brother of the ex-chairman of
>>the Taiwanese DPP party, Huang2 Xin4 Jie4, walked out the congress angrily.
>>
>
>This is new to me.  Huang Shun Xing is Huang Xin Jie's brother?  
>Would somebody post a verification on that?
>

  Huang Shun Xing is NOT Huang Xin Jie's brother. His brother named
  Huang Xiao Yin is a medical doctor who currently resides in Mainland.