HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: djm408@tijc02.uucp (David Marks)
Subject: Re: How to get the rec.skiing FAQ
Organization: Siemens Industrial Automation, Johnson City TN
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 12:30:22 GMT

From article <1340285@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, by glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker):
> Several people have recently asked about the rec.skiing FAQ. The answer
> to the most frequently asked question about the FAQ is "Yes...it does
> exist." However, the FAQ is a new addition to rec.skiing and is currently
> under construction. It has been posted here a couple of times, and will
> be again...as soon as I can work in some of the changes that have
> been suggested. In the mean time, requests for the FAQ should be directed
> viea e-mail to me...I'll send you what we've got so far!
> 
> 
>  ..glen
>  glenb@sr.hp.com

I recently posted an FAQ on southern U.S. skiing. If you missed it, email me a
request and I will post it again if enough people ask. I don't have the time
to email the FAQ to individuals who missed it right now. I will endeavor to
post this FAQ quarterly (with updates), if I have the time.

I have also considered an FAQ on the National Ski Patrol. Is anyone interested?
I will post one if there is enough interest. I am a member of the National Ski
Patrol and could put an FAQ together pretty quickly.

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From: terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Billy Bob "Leroy")
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: New Mexico conditions in February????
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: terwill@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I wils be going skeeing in news Mexico next year for the firsted time
(parents is paying, always do) in February if my professors at the
Universecity of Texass let me out oof med school fer a weak!

Can somebody tels me what the snow depth will be and where all the hot
babes will be at. also, does anybody no where there is a paarty that
nite? My dog has been readin the latest issue of PoWder mAg to me and
I  am raedy. 

leroy
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: $$ for street performing?
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:12:09 GMT

I've been approached by the owner of a shop that my wife works in part time
to do about a six-hour stint at their fall Crafts festival.  All I
would be doing is walking around doing some juggling and a little magic.
(actually, if I can keep three clubs going for any length of time, I'll
probably include that in the 'magic' portion!).   The owner knows I'm
not a pro and told my wife to just have me "name my price" for the six hours.

Are there any 'guidelines' I can go by?  Is $10 per hour too much?  Too
little?  Actually, to be able to juggle for any length of time without 
worrying about work or my wife hassling me, I should offer to pay HER 
$10 per hour!

Since this may not be of major interest to others on the net, feel free
to just send me private E'mail.

Thanks.

Gary "juggle till you drop (which usually doesn't take too long)" Seubert
BellCore
Piscataway, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton)
Subject: Dan Menendez on showtime!!
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:13:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Opps... Showtime listed it as being this saturday.. not friday
  B)

-- 
Blah blah blah... Teleblah...
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: @^(%*&&@* journalists!
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:41:36 GMT

Last Wednesday, a reporter for the Southampton Echo (our local rag) paid a
visit to our club, watched a lot of juggling, talked to quite a few of us
(not me), then went away to write her story. The result was utterly
unbelievable - I'd never realised quite how bad reporters can be even with
the non-sensationalist stories.
She seems to have decided even before visiting us that juggling should be
depicted as an eccentric, fairly trivial unimpressive occupation whose
saving grace is that it keeps its devotees occupied in something harmless
instead of being engaged in unsavoury pursuits, and being arrested for
vagrancy. The club organiser unwittingly became the "Master", and the rest
of us ("mainly teenagers in tracksuits") were his awestruck followers, gasping
in admiration at his every trick (the article didn't give any impression that
she was impressed, despite her obvious amazement at the time)
Out of about 25 people there, there were probably five or six teenagers there
that night, there was the usual age spread, from mid-twenties up to one member
of fifty+, who went unmentioned, despite the good ten minutes that she spent
talking to him.

Aaaargh.

Rant over.

Maybe I should be a reporter - if I find I can't write better, more accurately
AND more entertainingly than she does, my self-esteem will hit an all-time
low.

Rant REALLY over.
Honest.

Andy



-- 
Andy Lewis  (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
From: mohitb@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: contact juggling : need more controversy??
Keywords: contact juggling, J.ernest
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:52:40 GMT
Reply-To: mohitb@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: mohitb@athena.psrc.ncsu.edu


Ok casting all controversies aside regarding whether M^^2 has any
exclusive rights on contact juggling (CJ), I have decided to give a shot
to learning few tricks of CJ. Fear not MM, I am not going to steal your
tricks, they are too good for me to master.  Could someone please answer
following questions:

1. What would be a good way to learn CJ (articles in Juggler's World,
books, tapes, anything on the net etc.)

2. Is James Ernest's book good enough for a beginner to learn CJ?

mohit

ps: wonder how long it would have taken for me to get interested in CJ
if it were not because of all this controversy on the net and in the
convention !! sorry , it backfired MM :-)
From: moursund@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (David_Moursund)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:26:49 PDT
Subject: Re: Juggling Four Bean Bags
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, Oregon
Newsgroups: rec.juggling

>/ hpcvnb:rec.juggling / pdm@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (peter d. mark) /  9:58 pm  Aug 16, 1992 /
>
>i suppose.  note however that there are even more ways than those
>listed above: one can do a 5 3 (half-shower), a 7 1 (shower),
>5 5 2 (i always thought this was a pretty one), a 5 5 5 1 (*great*
>practice for building up to 5) and a 5 5 5 5 0 (i find this actually
>*harder* than doing 5!).   6 3 3 lurks on my list of site-swaps to
>try, but right now i'm too busy to seriously start working on it,
>and when i do find the time to juggle i'm mainly working on just
>plain old "5".

OK, that does it...  I've been juggling off and on since last summer,
and can do a lot of 3 ball tricks, and since I've been reading this
newsgroup for the past couple of weeks, I've become increasingly
curious about the above terminology.  What *is* a 5 3, or a 7 1,
or a 3 4 1 8 23 9 whatever?!?

(Is there a FAQ list for this group?)

dm
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Montreal
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:45:20 GMT
Organization: IUPUI


 
Lisa:  excellent reading!  I almost feel as though I attended Montreal!
 
I am still awaiting your commentary regarding Club Renegade as little
airtime has been devoted to this important facet of the BigShow.
 
Also, what were the vendors like this year?
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You get what you pay for.  And if you don't, then you didn't.
 
MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Nick Boland <c2xnkb@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>
Subject: SUB JUGGLING Nick Boland
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 13:21:57 EST

SUB JUGGLING Nick Boland
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Subject:      fit of wanton cruelty?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:53:37 CDT

Phil:  I didn't know what you were referring to until you said it was
in German.  Don't blame me for the mess because it wasn't my fault.  I
know as little about UNIX as you do.  When I received Ralf's wonderful
letter in my emailbox on my UNIX account I immediately wrote him a
reply using my mailbox system whose actions are totally transparent to
me I assure you.  I'm sorry that it caused Ralf and you apparently so
much grief.  Perhaps you need a better mail system.

Excuse me for replying over the net, but I don't want everyone going
around thinking I'm a UNIX wizard who enjoys bombarding novices with
tarred, compressed, uuencoded, letters written in German!!!

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:51:31 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <12539@ecs.soton.ac.uk> ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ) writes:

>Last Wednesday, a reporter for the Southampton Echo (our local rag) paid a
>visit to our club, watched a lot of juggling, talked to quite a few of us
>(not me), then went away to write her story. The result was utterly
>unbelievable - I'd never realised quite how bad reporters can be even with
>the non-sensationalist stories.

[description of crappo story]

>Andy
>University of Southampton

8th convention ('95) in Southampton anybody?
Show that dumbo wazzock journo what it's REALLY all about
OH - are the 6th and 7th convention locations definite yet?  Brum and Manch?

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From: STA5CW@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Chris Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: half and quarter showers.
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:33:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


     On the subject of the half-shower:
     In site-swap notation, the full shower is easy: it's just (2n-1)
1, where n is the number of balls being juggled.  We all know that a
three ball HALF shower is just 3 in s-s, and would agree that a four-
ball half shower is 5 3. What about a 5 ball half shower? It seems to
me that there are two options: firstly, just 5 with the throws offset
slightly to acheive the correct timing, and then 7 3 is also a
possibility.
    Moving on to six balls, the possibilities are 9 3 and 7 5.
Perhaps we could call 9 3 a half shower, and 7 5 a quarter shower?
Similalrly, with seven balls, we have 11 3, 9 5 and plain 7, with the
timing altered- the half, quarter and
eighth showers respectively.  The pattern is now beginning to emerge.
    With 8 balls (at the risk of patronising everybody) there would
be 13 3, 11 5 and 9 7-  the half, quarter and eighth showers
respectively.
    Does anyone agree or disagree with my terminology and logic?
Perhaps you'd prefer the names half, third, quarter, fifth etc.
rather than half, quarter, eighth,......

      Just thought I'd mention it.
                                  Chris Wright, Leeds, England.

P.S.  My forthcoming gigs-  I'm at Treadwell's Art Mill in Bradford
this Friday and Saturday as compere.  Then I'm at Keele University
Union with Eric Heretic on October 22nd, followed by a gig in an
unspecified location in Derby on 6th November. Henry Normal is
compereing, so look out for details in the local press. That's about
all at the moment.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jns@inoms.bellcore.com (Jesse N. Schell)
Subject: Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:35:20 GMT

In article <12539@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ) writes:

|> Maybe I should be a reporter - if I find I can't write better, more accurately
|> AND more entertainingly than she does, my self-esteem will hit an all-time
|> low.
|> 

You don't need to become a reporter! Write a letter to the editor! If it is
well written, brief, concise, biting, etc. it will surely get printed. If you
really think that this article has misrepresented your club, let the world
know! Bad articles can be damaging. Of such things are lawsuits made. I
really advise a letter to the editor... If it is printed (and the well-
written, interesting, SHORT ones usually are) you can be CERTAIN that this
reporter will get just what she deserves.

-- 

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From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling Four Bean Bags
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:28:11 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: moursund@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM's message of 18 Aug 92 19:26:49 EDT

In article <60790001@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM> moursund@hpcvnb.CV.HP.COM (David_Moursund) writes:

   OK, that does it...  I've been juggling off and on since last summer,
   and can do a lot of 3 ball tricks, and since I've been reading this
   newsgroup for the past couple of weeks, I've become increasingly
   curious about the above terminology.  What *is* a 5 3, or a 7 1,
   or a 3 4 1 8 23 9 whatever?!?

   (Is there a FAQ list for this group?)

Send a message to juggling-request@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu with the
message body (not subject):

  HELP

and take it from there.  The file you want to get is called
"site-swaps" or something similar, and should explain it all.  There
are also a number of programs that will animate these patterns for
you, and one (sss) that will produce pretty postcript docs of them.
--
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton)
Subject: Can Mr. Eastwood really juggle 7 ping-pong-balls with his mouth?
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:41:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

      My friend Dan Menendez and I were reading your letter and do a re
 have a response...
     NO he cant... he can do it with a hand feed, but Tony Ferco an
unbelievably great juggler can do 7 balls WITHOUT a hand feed!
      <Dan saw him perform it at harrah's in Tahoe>
 
       I personaly am curious if you saw that dickhead... err... Mr
 speed juggler himself Wally Dickwood.. err.. Eastwood do Dan's bounce
 juggling routine off a synyhesizer keyboard... Mind you this is stolen
 and is not something like an entire Technique claimed by Michael Mochen
 sickness... Our wonderfull Mr Fuckwad..err.. Eastwood stole dan's entire
 idea and act... <Mind you its nothing personal that the pea brained idiot
  couldnt think up his own act to do, but had to steal dan's, that has been
  on Carson 2wice and has been seen around the world>  There is no malice
 whatsoever tward Mr. Smegmabrain, err.. Eastwood and I, Andrew Denton am
 typeing this entire letter, while dan is roleing on the floor laughing his
 head off... B)
                                        Later!
                                      Andrew "Oh what a mouth on that boy"
                                                Denton

-- 
Blah blah blah... Teleblah...
From: rob@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: torch prices ...
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:35:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

someone told me there was a netland discount for goods, is this true ? does
it apply to Brits ?  On a related subject how much are Dube torches
over there and Henry's NightFlights ?  A price compariosn may be good.

R.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: thomasl@copper.ucs.indiana.edu ((thomasl))
Subject: up and erratum
Summary: famous last words
Keywords: ewww, gross!, deviated, septum
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 08:04:49 GMT

in response to an emailed solicitation, here is the last line of the
props article, after a brief description of a nifty rolling globe:

Don't bother to wrap it -- I'll roll it home.

further corrections:  juggling capitol, not capitol juggling
arthur lewbel's name should be spelt correctly
as should satillite and lots of other names n' words

also, maybe i won't pass on fargo next year
(btw, is it called that because it's a description of the conveniance of 
location?)

more things omitted worthy of note:

elliot's plunger routine, garnering him the people's choice award

junior wunderkind and funnyman ben tobin's velcro kickup club

frank olivier is now my hero, because not only did he do a ten club passing
runaround with the passing zone in the gym (wasn't it 10?), but mainly and 
mostly because he put dental floss up his nose, and had it come out his
mouth. more importantly, he followed it up later with a qualatex 260, and 
finally, (what a SHOWMAN!!!), did it again, and had it inflated AND twisted.

I tried this same trick with the extra long chain from my combat
dog tag.  Remember those?  Last year's fashion item.  I can do
limp spaghetti, no problem, but the chain just kept going in, and no amount
of hacking could get it to come out.  More and more beads disappeared into
my cavernous nostril.  Now I understand how a seemingly endless stream
of phlegm can emerge non-stop during cold season (what a resource... can
no one harness that power?).  When i got about a foot of chain up there, with 
little result save a metallic taste in the back of my nasal passage,
I pulled it out. It felt really weird coming out.  I tried the other nostril. 
No luck there either.  practice, practice,practice.

see you in banyoles, but don't yank my chain --- it may rip my face off.
From: S092217@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 1234567
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:51:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

I tried this siteswap some time ago and after about half an hour of
frustration I gave up.  I did make some progress though..  it is NOT
an impossible pattern to learn--it just takes a lot of practice.  I
suggest getting really good at 12345 first.  This is a 3-ball pattern.

I really like Yggy King's SiteSwap Scribe.  I got it to print out some
of my favorite siteswaps: 441, 45141, 534, 645, 756, 978, and 633.  It
worked just fine.  The documentation does have some errors, however.
The -p option is not only unnecessary but it doesn't work either.  I
just leave it out entirely.  A 5-ball shower is not a 51.  That is a
3-ball shower.   The 5-ball shower is 91.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: chrisl@spider.wri.com (Chris LaReau)
Subject: Re: up and erratum
Keywords: ewww, gross!, deviated, septum
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:56:27 GMT

In <1992Aug18.160422.18467@cbfsb.cb.att.com> drbill@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.h.davies) writes:

>Keep working on it and maybe you can be on Letterman for the "Stupid
>Human Tricks" - he had some guy on there last Friday, who inhaled a
>raw oyster up his left nostril and then hacked it out of his mouth!
>Now if thatsnot *hero* material, I don't know what is . . . I mean
>this is the kind of thing that makes your parents proud!  Who cares
>that he couldn't juggle?!?

I believe that on the same show, kicking an egg up to a glass balanced on
his forehead, was Wink Dannenberg, whom IJA people might recognize as a
monster head-roll artist and Journeyman at the Baltimore 3-Ball Open.

Watch for it in reruns.

Chris

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From: bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Michael Moschen debate
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:22:48 GMT
Organization: Senior, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just wanted to get my 2 cents in, in response to some recent messages.

Towards the beginning of his discussion at Montreal, Michael Moschen
stressed that he had no way of controlling what anyone else wants to
practice.  Just the same, he has a right to express how he feels about
seeing others do what he does.  He also repeatedly tried to communicate
the feelings which are the source of his routines, and why it offends
him to see them copied.  The crystal ball routine is tied in with a lot
of complicated life events including a friend's recovery from serious
illness, and the birth of his daughter.

Nowhere does Michael Moschen say "You can't try to do any of this."  He
is more concerned that people find their own creative process.  Granted,
some of his work with the crystal balls could be seen as inspiring a
take-off point for further exploration, but I think it is seeing so many
whose only aim is to copy and stop exploring at which he takes offense.

To Kyle Jones, I'm sure money has nothing to do with Moschen's feelings
about juggling.  What is at stake for him is artistic development and
expression, and I for one believe he is sincere.  I'm sure his Macarthur
Fellowship helps him take his mind off it too :-)

To Jim Dorman, when did Michael Moschen say he was on a higher plane
than the rest of us?  If anyone is guilty of placing him there it is
those of us who see him and say, "I could never create anything like
that!  I'll be lucky if I can just copy a few of his moves."  I would
agree that Moschen is being unreasonable if he were saying, "No one else
can try my moves."  But that's not what he's saying!  He simply wants
people to take what they see others doing as a starting place, rather
than an ending.

Of course, a lot of people don't look at juggling so much as artistic
expression, but as a fun way to try new tricks.  Most of the time when I
practice, I fall into this latter category.  They might see Moschen
doing single ball rolling, and say, "I'd like to see if I can do that." 
My impression is that Michael Moschen is less concerned about this, and
more concerned about people performing the same moves.  He still wishes
people were more interested in creative exploring than in learning
tricks, but he can't have everything.

I watched the rhythmic gymnastics too, and those athletes did some
amazing things with hoops (the fourth apparatus was the rope, by the
way).  But until I see one of them make the hoop appear to hover in the
air as it glides around the fingers and thumb, I won't worry about
Michael Moschen getting involved. :-)

Again, just my two cents.  I hope I'm not reading too far into what
Michael Moschen said in Montreal, and this is after all, just my
interpretation.

-Ben
telnetting from Seattle 
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