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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese (A mug's story)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:20:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.220558.6820@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu (LT) writes:
>nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan23.061852.24099@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu ( ) writes:
>>>The point is that we should kick the pig-skin colored asshole's stinking
>>>ass instead of arguing among each other.
>>>
>>>Xin Nian Kuai Le. It's always very cool to be a Tang Ren.  Don't let those
>>>wimpy white trashes tell you otherwise.
>
>>Please take this racist trash off these groups.  We are often victims of
>>racism; don't propagate it ourselves.
>
>Hey Dude, That was a response to another posting. Don't take the comment out

The point is, these comments, *in any context*, are racist and inappropriate.
From: mu@terapin.com (Mu Hong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: public/commercial internet sites in Taipei, Taiwan??
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:43:57 PST
Organization: BBS

I now know the some of Taiwan's universities are on the net.  But are there any
puclic or commercial internet sites in Taipei, Taiwan?

Thanks in advanced.  E-mail preferred!!!

frank mu-hong lin
mu@terapin.com
From: ruangsuk@usc.edu (Boonchai Ruangsuknukul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:38:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: la
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun26.usc.edu



Happy New Year to all Chinese in LA.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:17402 soc.rights.human:4940
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: KMT(Kuo-Ming-Tung or Nationalist)...
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:22:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan21.181454.16987@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes...
>
>You miss my point. Actually I was questioning Mr. Iunn's claim that the
>United News unfairly boycotted the Capital Daily for political purpose.
>This is the first time that anybody tells me this story, and I couldn't
>judge whether or not this is true. The real reason why the Capital Daily
>went bankrupcy is not my point here. I just want to know for sure whether
>the political boycott is a rumor spreaded by a few people promoting
>Taiwan's independence or it is a real thing.
>
>If Taiwan does have such law to prohibit such unfair competition and such
>boycott did happen, then the Capital Daily should seek justice by issuing
>lawsuit against the United Daily. Only the lawcourt can determine whether
>the United Daily is guilty of conducting an unfair boycott on the Capital
>Daily. There are thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of newstands in Taiwan.
>If the United Daily did conduct the unfair boycott, it should be easy for
>the Capital Daily to gather evidence. If the Capital Daily doesn't even care
>to bring this issue to the court, who to blame?

Me too, this is the first time I heard about. I heard the reason Capital Daily
went bankrupcy is due to lack of ads from the corporates. At that time, those 
corporates did not want to upset the KMT. Remember it was at least a couple 
of years ago. The political climate was quite different from today. At that 
time, most corporates did not even want to donate political contribution to
DPP but recently DPP has been receiving good contribution.

If the boycott is for political purpose. Capital Daily should sue the United 
Daily as the United Daily filed libel suit against TI organization recently
(fair enough :-)) 

Final note: recently I argued about the United Daily lawsuit those pro-TI 
said because of this because of that .... Now at least Mr. Chen and myself 
seem to be quite "open-minded" :-) and agree the United Daily should be sued
if the boycott was for political purpose. 

See the difference. :-)

>When people from Taiwan follow-up this thread, this subject line shows up
>everytime. When internationals or Americans read soc.rights.human, they
>may feel boring because it may be hard for other people to understand terms
>like "DDP", "Capital Daily", "United Daily", "Hau", ... etc only related to
>Taiwan's politics. They may just skip or skim the discussion. But this
>highlighted subject line may impress on their mind that Taiwan's regime
>is a totalitarian one instead of a democratic one.

I wonder if we should complain TI's boycott on the United Daily and some
TIer's violence on soc.rights.human also.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Sweed need help
From: ndb070@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:29:33 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Hello! I'm a Sweed wich is going to travel around in Asia this
summer and Autumn. But I don't know so much about what I should see
and visit in your country. Could you help me? What food is the best,
What restaurant is your favourite one and so on. What places must I visit?
Anythin is interesting for me!

                                    Thanks, Jan-Olof Andersson
                                    NDB070@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
From: changht@eecs.nwu.edu (Hsin-Ter Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: A letter from legislator Chu
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:57:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.1993Jan24.215710.19443
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University, Evanston, Il., USA

I read an public letter from Legislator Chu to President Lee on World Journal
(Jan. 21). It was part of a campaign  calling for the resignation of Lee as the
chairman of KMT. Since uncle Hau has expressed his interest of taking over 
secretary of the KMT(or whatever the title is), it makes one think that if this
is another start of power struggle within the KMT? (Rumor has it that legislator
Chu has been comrade of ex-premier Lee ??? If this is true, then the timing of 
this letter is more interesting.)
No matter what Mr. Chu's motive is, he did have a point. After five years in
power, Mr. Lee has disappointed me in many aspects. Five years and 4 pirme
ministers? There's got to be something wrong. Either Mr. Lee is too difficult
to work for or he is a lousy boss that he just can't find the right guy.
As unpredictable, that is good for emperor, but it is bad for President. What is
the big deal if the news media guess right? Strong man era has passed, we don't
need another strong man Lee.
After the election, has Mr. Lee shown any sign of responsibility or shame? With
such a huge defeat, even the sameless Japanese politician will be forced to
regisne.Instead, Mr. Lee speed up his manipulation as if nothing has happened.
It seemed that Mr. Sung who resigned after the election will even be promoted! 
If he has this kind of strong will and this kind of power, then he has no excuse
but to take the full responsibility of the failure of refinement of Constitution
How about the book his wife published, that is disgusting.
I think that we have to watch over what Mr. Lee is going to do now, we cannot
tolerat what he did simply becaus he is Taiwanese. Taiwan is not going back
and Mr. Lee certainly can't not be another Strong Man.

H.T. Chang
1-24-93
From: chchen@milton.u.washington.edu (CHEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese and War Hero
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:34:15 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
Reply-To: chchen@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) wrote:
>You can sense Taiwan/Taiwanese showing off wealth, not only among individuals,
>also institions, and even Taiwan government. I got this feeling from reading
>Taiwan's newspaper, listening to it's radio. Do you guys notice  a seris of 
>commercials on behalf of Taiwan on Time magazine? One commercial boasted 
>the Six Year Plan, in term of how much money Taiwan has. Those kind of 
>blantant, clumsy self-serving(I am not sure it serves good), not only about
>wealth, also about "Excellence Made In Taiwan". Some time it became so
>radiculous. Example: One ad says something like Taiwan has stepped into space
>age because Taiwan makes tennis racket with light, enduring material which is
>also used by U.S. spacecraft. Another ad says Taiwan is the first to make PC
>with 32 bits words. Come on! To increase words from 16 bits to 32 bits in PC is
>a grad student's term project.

You probably do not know the purpose of selling your own strength to others.
One takes time to learn. After all the "Chinese Social Captitalism"  just
starts for a few years. Increasing words from 16 bits to 32 bits is  one
day work on paper.  

>Taiwan is peculiar, unique on this. It might have some to do with KMT's defeat
>during Civil War. It is so urgent to them to feel recognized, valued. Adding
>to their image more than just losers during the War.

You must have assumed that  most of the people in this grouep have 
participated in that War. I can not speak for all, but the probability
of any one who was defeated in that War and who is here is almost zero.

>We often see this king of behavior among individuals when he/she has some
>defact in capacity or personality, they tend to emphsis some other apsects of
>their life in front of others. But for people with strong will, he/she may
>only work on it, not to show off his/her strentgh to remind everybody else his/
>her defect. 

>How can a group of people behave like that!

How come showing one's strength is to remind his defect?  what defect ?
Defects of not having won that great War? what do you get from that war?
Mr. Hero.

C-H.
From: joy@engin.umich.edu (chien chung chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:13:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: srvr1.1k1l5cINNc8l
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
NNTP-Posting-Host: minorca.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan25.154546.12033@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.054806.18486@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>
>>How can you like this guy when you know he is the first person who played
>>Kongfu in the Legislature Yuan? I remember he also said something like
>>"Politics is simply a subtle way to cheat." Li Au also criticized Chu for
>
>	Well, you just give me a reason to like him. He may be
>	ruthless but he is also very honest about what politics
>	means to a lot of politicians; that's a rare quality of
>	a politician.

If Chu thinks politics is a subtle way of cheating, as a politician
himself he must be exercising cheating from time to time. How come
he is "very honest"? He may be honest just one time for saying that,
but generally he may be cheating most of the time.

And what Chu said about politics is not right. He should have said
"BAD politics is a subtle way to cheat." Instead, he sounds like
it's the way politics is supposed to be. This may give people the
wrong idea that it's all right to see politicians cheating. No,
political cheating is not tolerable. It's very wrong.

Although Chu is more lovable than those hyprocrats who cheat all
the time while pretend to be saints, I'm not sure he gives people
the right education about democracy.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: SSI failure
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:30:12 GMT

SSI, Wang, and Everex are having problems due to market forces which brought
down many other companies.  Wang's problem was that it focused on proprietary
systems and ignored open computing, and stuck to its proprietary "cash cows"
to the bitter end - it merely blazed the unpleasant trail that DEC with its
unreasoning devotion to its VMS system and now IBM with its myriad proprietary
systems are beginning to walk down as well.

Cray, where Steve Chen came from, isn't doing terribly well these days, having
lost big market share to massive parallelism vendors.  Intel and Thinking
Machines, two massive parallel outfits, are the supercomputer groups which are
doing well nowadays.  Cray and SSI focused on the Big Bad CPU approach.  

Everex failed due to the PC price war, and IMHO a severe "not-invented-here"
disease in which they would waste lots of $$$ trying to develop products
in-house when they could have easily resold another company's products.  This
worked for relatively simple things like modems, etc, but they bit off more
than they could chew quite frequently, such as with Unix.  Since they didn't
have the in-house expertise to compete, these products were often inferior.
But many other companies failed as well...

BTW, Everex and Wang are both public companies, and aren't properly "Chinese
owned" - I'm not sure about SSI.

There are numerous Chinese businesses that are doing quite well, and a couple
of bad or unlucky business decisions by a few Chinese businessmen shouldn't be
seen as reflecting badly on the whole Chinese race!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Kemnitz                        | "I ran out of the room!  I didn't want
MultiMedia Information Systems Inc. | to survive leaving Vietnam only to be
kemnitz@netcom.com                  | killed by an orange wall of VMS manuals."
                                    |
                                    | --A friend at DECWRL during the '89 Quake
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:10:31 GMT


In article <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes...
>In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
>writes:
>> 
>>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
>>                                helplessly associated with people like you)
> 
>I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
>Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
>extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.

I think chauvinistic atttitude is wrong but anti-TI is just his personal
opinion and it has nothing to do with where he is born and raised. US
government also expressed the opposition to TI.

>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.

If he has naturalized as an Indonesian, certainly he is an Indonesian 
(nationality) but also is a Chinese Indonesian. It is just like many 
claim they are Chinese American, Greek American. But if he said he is 
a Chinese and you said "no, I think you are an Indonesian", certainly 
he will not be happy. 

Also remember many Chinese in Indonesia were forced to naturalize and 
adopt Indonesian names. They also suffered Chinese-exclusive movement
during the 60s. He might have no choice but if he does not feel proud
being Indonesian that is certainly understandable. 

During Japanese Colony era, Taiwanese were forced to adopt Japanese names. 
Do you think they are not Taiwanese (or Chinese)?

If "Raja" is a real ethnically Chinese, then he certainly is a Chinese but 
what kind of Chinese that is another story.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: luyen@ecf.toronto.edu (LU YEN)
Subject: Does anyone know?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:10:56 GMT

 Does anyone know the e-mail address for the National Chengkung University
 in Tainan, Taiwan?
From: jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:30:54 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.mti.sgi.com

In article <C1A5oM.Dqp@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde
Shi) writes:
|> Another ad says Taiwan is the first to make PC
|> with 32 bits words. Come on! To increase words from 16 bits to 32
|> bits in PC |> is a grad student's term project.

I think you'd better understand more about the computer industry before
making a foolish comment like that.  In theory, changing the word size
of 
a machine from 16 to 32 bits is nothing more than widening the
datapaths.
However, in practice how do you deal with the following complexities:

1) compatibiity:
   - will the old software and the old o/s be able to run and will
     you still get the same results?
   - will the old plug-in cards (i.e. i/o controllers and etc.) still
     be able to work?
   
   These issues affect the investment a customer already has in
hardware
   and software as well as other vendor's product line.

2) product requirements:
   - what is the new o/s needed to support the new machine?
   - what are the new hardware peripheral devices needed to support the
new
     machine?
   - do you have access to new memory technology (32 bit requires
larger
     memory bandwidth, so can you get bigger and faster DRAM's)?
   - new backplane? new form factor?
   - bigger power supply?
   - how do you cool a system that consumes more power?

2) testing/yield:
   - can the new machine be verified?  are there testers that can
handle
     the larger pin-outs and the test vectors?
   - will the old tests still work?
   - can the larger die produce high enough yield to make a profit?
   - can the new package requirement with more i/o pins be produced?
   - ditto on the board level

3) manufacturability:

4) component availability:

5) marketing strategies:

And the list goes on and on...

You seemingly have never: designed a real product, seen it get shipped,
and supported the prouct.  Please don't think the stuff you learned
from
classrooms are sufficient to make you become an expert.  You obviously
have no notion of what really goes on in making a REAL new product as
opposed to WIDGETS.

James Yu

Disclaimer: My employer has nothing to do with this posting. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu)
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Entertainment Tonight
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:11:58 GMT

In article <9301190235.AA23289@tpts1> idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR) writes:
>
>                                       Too bad that Kong Fu    >
>>movies haven't moved an inch since he died.                   >
>>                                                              >
>>Eric                                                          >
>
>The kung-fu movies (made in Hongkong) HAVE made progress after Bruce Lee's
>death.  In my opinion, the most significant watershed is Tsui Hark's
>A Chinese Ghost Story (1987).  Once Upon a Time in China (I), (II) and (III)
>(1991-2), also produced by Tsui Hark, is another milestone of Chinese kung-fu
>movies.  Nevertheless, Bruce Lee's movies are of their own class.
>
>

Although I worship Bruce Lee too much to be fair, I didn't said 
the above by mistake; I had exactly "Once upon a Time in China" 
in my mind when I thought of kung fu movies in the last twenty 
years.

I only watched one OUTC, (1) I guess, and I like it very much.
It is one of the more entertaining movies I have seen.  The 
fight scene in the warehouse using ladders and bamboo rods 
reached a new height in kung fu movie.  But I categorize that
in special effects.  I want the fights in a movie to look real
and OUTC failed in this area.  It has little value to add a body 
spin to the flying side-kick even if it is possible and OUTC 
over did it.

Actually Bruce Lee's movies have many flaws; I really wish he 
concentrated on fighting and let other people handle directing
and producing.  (Note that I avoid using the word acting.)

Since I am not good at analyzing movies, I will just jump to
the conclusion.  If I have to pick the best kung fu movie in 
history, I will take one of Bruce Lee's last three. There 
will be many good ones come to my mind but it must be one 
of Bruce's when it comes to THE best.  But again, this is my 
own bias.

Now back to the original post.  What is "A Chinese Ghost 
Story"? "Chien4 Nu3 Yeo Hwen2"?  What is the Chinese name 
used in Taiwan?  Please tell us something about it.

Eric 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:45:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.233351.5325@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.215710.19443@eecs.nwu.edu> changht@eecs.nwu.edu (Hsin-Ter Chang) writes:
>>After the election, has Mr. Lee shown any sign of responsibility
>>or shame? With
>>such a huge defeat, even the sameless Japanese politician will be forced to
>>regisne.Instead, Mr. Lee speed up his manipulation as if nothing has happened.
>
>Because the losses were probably not his fault?

if a government officer had to resign for an idea (not even a policy yet)
or had to resign for a plane crashing, why shouldn't a leader of a party
take some responsibility on a real defeat?
two standards of responsibility?

>>It seemed that Mr. Sung who resigned after the election will even be promoted!
>>If he has this kind of strong will and this kind of power,
>>then he has no excuse
>>but to take the full responsibility of the failure of refinement
>>of Constitution
>>How about the book his wife published, that is disgusting.
>>I think that we have to watch over what Mr. Lee is going to do now, we cannot
>>tolerat what he did simply becaus he is Taiwanese. Taiwan is not going back
>>and Mr. Lee certainly can't not be another Strong Man.
>
>Lee is hardly a perfect president, but I think you have given him way too
>little credit.  He hasn't really had the support within the party to carry
>out the programs that he would have wanted to carry out (if any).

i agree with you partially.  it is too early to give him any credit now.
he still have several years being president.  after he finishes his
president job, we can evaluate his works and give him honest credits.


cs shao.
From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:28:58 GMT

In article <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu> mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
>I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
>I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
>and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
>consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.

The attitude is, however, understandable in light of the political
events of the mid-1960's when several tens of thousands of ethnic
Chinese in Indonesia were massacred on the suspicion that they were
involved with the Indonesian Communist Party, and when the Indonesian
government forced ethnic Chinese in Indonesia to give up their Chinese
names.

Just like the 228 massacre made some Taiwanese try and distance
themselves from the concept of "Chinese," these events (and much less
bloody ones in Malaysia) have caused some ethnic Chinese in those
areas to distance themselves from the concept of "Indonesian" and
"Malaysian."  As for your comment that his attitude is an insult to
Indonesia, it's probably meant to be.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:34:53 GMT


In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>, RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes...
>
>I    A M    A    C H I N E S E 

Sound familiar. Oh yes, a famous character in the most famous Bo-Yang's 
book. :-)

>      ---  not a mainlander (to some idiots,this can mean America mainland too)
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We certainly know you are not *America mainland*, Ohio or Iowa? idiot! :-)

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