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From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.233050.15308@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>to look too far down the road.  I think Nikon shafted its N6006 and
>N8008 owners by not allowing them to drive the AF-I and AF-D lenses.
>
After reading magazine reviews of the N90 and AF-D lenses, I was left with
the impression that the N8008 *CAN* use the AF-D lenses.  Except, of
course, the new "3-D" features.  If I understand correctly, the AF-I
lenses have an internal motor and cannot be used for AF with the N8008.
The AF-D lenses send focus distance data back to the camera and can
be used with the N8008.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>and, in my mind, Nikon has basically orphaned it now that they realize
>Canon was right to put the motors in the lenses all along.  With the

Nikon and Pentax put the motors in the lenses long before Canon did.
This was back in the early '80s, with the Nikon F3AF and Pentax MEF.
Both companis made a big mistake by also putting the batteries in the lenses.
Adding 4 AA cells to a lens makes it very heavy, and the whole system becomes
unbalanced (difficult to handle).

-- 
Ron DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)
AT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA
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From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Re: News on Lithium Rechargeables
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:57:02 GMT

In article <4213@eastman.UUCP>, barnick@mesa.Kodak.COM (William M Barnick x73638) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.185816.3930@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
> >Reprint without permission:
> >-=-=-=-=-=
> >
> >                          A LONGER-LASTING BATTERY
> >                         USA Today:Washington-DC
> >                                 12/17/92
> >                                   P B1
> >
> >Bellcore has developed a longer-lasting battery that can be used to power 
> >anything from a notebook computer to an electric car. The new AA-size 
> >lithium battery is rechargeable and can last three times longer than 
> >common batteries. According to Bellcore, local telephone companies can use 
> >the batteries for emergency backup during power outages. 
> >-=-=-=-=-=
> >
> >Obviously, it can be used for cameras too.
> >
> >Jason Chen
> 
> Does anyone have any further info on RECHARGEABLE lithium batteries ???
> I have seen this mentioned several times now.  I had always heard that it
> was (explosively) too dangerous to recharge lithium batteries.  Is this
> some type of special charger ???   Also what is the price of such a battery?

Rechargable Li cells are different from normal (primary) Li cells. You cannot
safely and reliably recharge primary Li cells (though you can do it if you
are VERY careful about charging current and are prepared to take the risk
involved and don't go for many recharge cycles). Rechargable Li cells have
been around for MANY years, but only in small size, low capacity cells 
(button cells). There are even examples of rechargable Li cells being
part of an integrated circuit chip! Cell development has reached a stage
where larger, higher capacity cells should start to appear on the market
soon (93?). They may, however, be very expensive at first (though still
cheaper than primary Li cells in the long run).

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Anyone do their own C41 developing?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1992Dec29.192447.8920@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>
	<PHR.92Dec30182337@napa.telebit.com>
	<1992Dec31.055057.27213@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:11:58 GMT

    A friend of mine tells me that there are little machines
    photojournalists use to do developing of negatives on-the-spot
    (something like the Polachrome machines, I think).  I have no idea if
    it's colour or not.

This would be great---can you find out more about it?  The only
automated way I know of to develop film short of a minilab is
with a high end Jobo or similar.  I could see spending a few hundred
$ for a mostly-automatic developing machine, but not kilobucks.
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Longish macro lens for EOS. (was Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:09:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.114813.14404@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>In <1992Dec30.151756.24872@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>>                                    [...] BTW, why in carnation
>>would anyone need an AF macro lens?  Oh well.
>
>My guess is anything that moves, including flowers being disturbed by
>wind, and small, but LIVE critters!
>
>ACS
>
Have you ever done any macro photography? I have. IMHO, I don't
think using an AF lens would enhance or assist you in taking
better pictures when the wind is blowing a flower or whatever.
As you probably know, macro photography main object is to obtain
depth-of-field. The result is you are shooting at say, f/22, but
at usually a very slow speed, i.e., 1/30 or less. Your AF lens
is not going to help you there, or will it? I usually shoot
at pretty close to 1:1 ratio and the slightest movement of you,
the camera or object will result in a blurred picture. That is
why I usually have my camera mounted on a tripod. Macro
photography and using *real* macro-lenses is entirely different
than using non-macro lenses, IMHO.
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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
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From: kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Pentax IQ Zoom / its best competitor
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:04:58 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

In article <1992Dec19.035322.20668@umbc3.umbc.edu> dipto@umbc4.umbc.edu (Dipto Chakravarty) writes:
>
>Before going and buying a Pentax IQ Zoom, I wanted to know if we
>should be looking at any better machines in the similar price range.
>Is the Yashica T4, which was praised by the Consumers Reports, an
>equivalent choice? Our holiday shopping budget for this camera is 
>$200.
>
>Please email me your answers. Thanx in advance.

I have been using Pentax 105-R Date. I hm extremely happy with it.
It has
	0. built-in flash, fires automatically.
	1. 35-105 Zoom
	2. Exposure compensation.
	3. multiple exposures on same film.
	4. multiple exposures after time interval.
	5. flash on/off, Bulb Sync.
	6. two macro modes photographing flowers etc. (I think it is 0.5 met)

I really liked it a lot.

currently it sells for 239$ I guess.

Aniruddha Kortikar (kortikar@mipos2.intel.com)

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From: kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Simple checks for layman on lens and camera.
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:10:20 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

Hi

I plan to purchase Nikkor lens and 5005AF/6006AF at Local Photo Fair.
(Fair will be held in Santa Clara on Jan 16,17). There are about 50-60 shops
offering used camera's lenses at considerably low price.

Could anyone give me a list of simple checks which can be performed on 
lenses/camera's while at the fair ? 

If you think it is not advisable to buy such equipment then let me know that
too.

regards,

Aniruddha Kortikar (kortikar@mipos2.intel.com)
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From: micki@netcom.com (Michelle Stone)
Subject: Backpacking gear for photofilos
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:57:06 GMT

Why is it that no one makes a backpacking system (case and or
backpack) worth a hoot for people who carry not only camera
gear but camping gear?  I am getting tired of taking off 
the old backpack, opening it up, tearing everything apart
to find my stuff.  I know that Lowe makes a great backpack
for camera gear but you can't put anything else in it.  And
even though there is a neat little place for your tripod, 
the thing costs over $600.  Oww!

Michelle

-- 
micki@netcom.com

By the way.  I find myself to be a recent addition to the 
unemployment statistic.  I am a software manager.  If  you know
of an opportunity, please let me know!

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From: txh@philabs.philips.com (Teun Hendriks)
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.083347.18560@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>In <1992Dec22.151322.21013@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec21.233050.15308@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>>>
>>After reading magazine reviews of the N90 and AF-D lenses, I was left with
>>the impression that the N8008 *CAN* use the AF-D lenses.  Except, of
>>course, the new "3-D" features.  If I understand correctly, the AF-I
>>lenses have an internal motor and cannot be used for AF with the N8008.
>>The AF-D lenses send focus distance data back to the camera and can
>>be used with the N8008.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>I checked this out with a local dealer, and you're right.  The N8008
>*can* drive the AF-D lenses.  In addition, he noted that the plain AF
>lenses are no longer available.  However, there *are* motors in the
>AF-D lenses.  So Nikon N8008 owners now get to pay for the motors in
>the lenses like all we Canon owners...  AND NOT GET TO USE THEM!
>
It is fine to be a keen Canon supporter, but please do check the facts
on the competition *thoroughly* before posting.

The AF-D lenses do NOT have motors, they have *encoders*, i.e. sensors
which report back distance information. Also, currently there are only
3 AF-D lenses, the 28-70mm, the 35-70mm f2.8 and the 80-200mm. Of
course, the AF-I's also have the encoder built in. 

I must say, I'm really impressed by the flash system of the combo
N90-SB25. 5 segment flash meter, pre-flash exposure metering, while the
mirror just has moved up, and incorporation in of distance info to
arrive at an optimum exposure.

If only there was a camera with the N90-SB25 flash system and the EOS-A2E
autofocus system....

>Alvin_C._Shih____________________acs@csri.utoronto.ca______________________|

- Teun


-- 
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Philips Laboratories                              fax:  (914)-945-6014
345 Scarborough Road
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: 8008s/801s Questions
Date: 26 Dec 92 18:51:03 GMT

In <lakhindr.725393980@bowmore.NSD.3Com.COM> lakhindr@ESD.3Com.COM (Lakhinder Walia) writes:

>acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:

>>In <lakhindr.725242988@bowmore.NSD.3Com.COM> lakhindr@ESD.3Com.COM (Lakhinder Walia) writes:

>So what vital info is lost in this case without which a photographer would
>be hampered to use his/her equipment..?

I think the big loss would be the frame counter.  The other settings
can be restored by the user.

>Also I could not understand why would somebody need any "serious repair" --
>unless those (replacement) batteries have something non-standard..!

The post that mentioned "serious repair" made it in reference to
batteries leaking nasty chemicals onto the electronics inside the
camera.  Such an event could cause shorting of contacts, or corrosion
of the components.

>-lakhinder 

ACS
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From: freudent@jan.ultra.nyu.edu (Eric Freudenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Olympus Stylus Recommendations
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:32:06
Organization: /a/users/freudent/.organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: jan.ultra.nyu.edu
In-reply-to: rl@socrates.ucsf.edu's message of 18 Dec 92 21:51:37 GMT

I report the same experience with the stylus.  It is remarkably good.
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Tilt Shift (Was: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?)
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:53:48 GMT

In <1992Dec30.123108.8794@eua.ericsson.se> Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt) writes:

>                             [...] (Concerning the price of the TS, 
>however, I fully agree it is outrageous).

Though expensive, I don't know if I'd call it outrageous (at least
compared with other EF lenses that open up to f/2.8).  After all, there
is much more glass there than for a "straight" lens with no movements.

Indeed, used as a straight lens, it would seem that the TS-E lenses are
fantastically sharp.

ACS
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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: 430ez niggle
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 11:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.205338.11007@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
...
>                   They found the 430EZ gave
> "perfect coverage" and the controls "well laid out".
> 

Pity they didn't illuminate the control ledgends. Remember to memorize the
control layout of your 430 BEFORE you need to use it in the dark...

~Paul
From: auyeung@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Tak [UlTech] AuYeung)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon Elan - leave leader out?
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:46:16 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <92364.114510MPOISSON@ESOC.BITNET> MPOISSON@ESOC.BITNET writes:
>[...]
>than all your Nikon/Canon etc cameras, I have used a Pentax PZ-1 for over six
>months. Among 18 user-definable functions, YOU can select
>leaving the film leader out, along with the option to rewind
>automatically at film end or not. The camera also makes quite good pictures
>and is compatible with all bayonet mount Pentax lenses...

I agree a less expensive body can have many desirable functions.  The
Canon EOS630, a discontinued (therefore modestly priced) body, also
offer user-selectable options.  While not as many as the PZ-1,the
options are nonetheless quite practical.  

Since I start with the EOS line, I don't need compatibility with old
lenses...  

>Michel Poisson

--Tak
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: slide dupe mount for micro-nikkor
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:40:13 GMT

i am interested in duping slides and making internegatives from
slides.  since i have a 105mm micro lens which goes 1:1, i'd
like to take advantage of its optical qualities rather than
opting for an inexpensive duping rig (like cambron's :-( ).

i'd like to illuminate the exposure with the SB24, and
envision a setup where i could slap the slide in a holder,
point it at the flash unit (using an off-camera sync cord,
of course), and press the shutter.

are there any attachments for macro lenses that permit
holding the slide at the proper distance from the lens front?

thanks and happy new year,
duane
From: barryg@hplsla.hp.com (Barry Gunn)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:13:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Is EOS 28-105 USM much better than 35-105 USM lens?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

>According to Canon literature, the close focus distance is 2.6 ft.
>     _
>    [o] Barry Gunn x2281
>    /|\ barryg@lsid.hp.com
>---------- 
Oops, memory loss. I went back and checked. this should read 2.3 ft.

    _
   |[o] Barry Gunn x2281
    /|\ barryg@lsid.hp.com
From: cray@cray.kharkov.ua (Valery V. Cray)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Slides and photo-reports in the area of the former Soviet Union.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 21:25:14 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: PARALLAX CENTER Inc.
Reply-To: cray@cray.kharkov.ua

P a r a l l a x  C e n t e r
takes photographs, colour slides and photo-reports
in the whole area of the former Soviet Union

TO ORDER OF LIBRARIES, PHOTO-AGENCIES, MAGAZINES etc.

Address: Parallax Center, P.O.Box 2864, 310100 Kharkiv, Ukraine
Phone:   (0572) 98 43 33 , E-Mail: cray@cray.kharkov.ua
From: U3C@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: develop Cx negs??????
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:16:07 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I found some old color negatives in the basement of my folks place from back in
 the early sixties. I sent them in to be developed and got them back with the n
ote that they do not offer prints from Cx negatives. I phoned a few other place
s in town and they said the same thing.

Does anyone know where I can send these negatives to have them developed??
                      Thanks
                            Danny   U3C at PSUVM
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: tg@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Tom Gearty)
Subject: School reputations?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: us 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:07:40 GMT


I have posted questions looking for photo schools recently. Having
started to build a list of places to take photo classes, I
was wondering what this group might have to say about some of
the schools I have found.

Anyone heard anything good or bad about these schools or their
photo faculties? How are their facilities? Any places near to them
that are better alternatives?

  - Winona (in Chicago?)

  - Savannah College of Art

  - Art Institute of Chicago

  - Art Institute of Seattle

  - University of Arizona

  - Arizona Western College

  - Pacific Northwest College of Art

Thanks!

tom
tg@inmet.com
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: More on Lithium
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:15:06 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <1992Dec30.124224.8921@eua.ericsson.se> Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt) writes:

>So I now want to ask you: Do you have any experience of using the 
>battery all the way to the bitter end? (i.e until the camera no longer 
>works).

Yes, I have used my EOS 100 until its battery dropped dead. At the end
the LCD display would come up correctly when I turned the main dial
from L to P (or anything else), but everything went blank when I
pressed the shutter release button halfways to activate the meter.
My guess is that the LCD doesn't draw much of a current from the
battery, probably significantly less than the meter.
(And the camera refused to do anything if I pressed the button
further).
After switching battery the camera again worked normally (which of
course was expected).
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: A photographer's story
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:42:24 GMT

In <C008Iu.CF6@ra.nrl.navy.mil> tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:
>         [...]  Just think of all the time wasted in the Nikon vs Canon
>war, had the participants (me included, but I wan't arguing about
>Canon vs Nikon, I was arguing about the merit of focusing aids) spent
>their time looking at pictures or betting yet, shooting some pictures,
>maybe their photographic skill would have improved.  Just exactly what
>useful bit, if any, came out of the hundreds of messages on that threat
>I don't know.

Well, a lot of the vices and virtues of the various technologies got
hashed-out!  Indeed, part of the spiel (which may have been lost) is
that even the "latest-and-greatest" technology doesn't help one take
better pictures, and indeed, that with all the programme modes, it's
quite possible to mess up worse than one ever could before.

I'm not one who really just "goes out and shoots pictures".  I have to
have something in mind in advance, then I try to do a bit of background
research (look for pictures of similar things), and then go out and
click away.

Besides, film and processing costs money! (Can you tell I'm a "starving
student"! :-)

>-Anthony

ACS  (With revised, perhaps topical .sig.)
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From: cul8er@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (* JOHNNY CHIU * KB5SJN *)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Question about Nikomat.
Date: 25 Dec 92 20:25:37 GMT
Reply-To: cul8er@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (* JOHNNY CHIU * KB5SJN *)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cul8er@mickey.cc.utexas.edu

I been using my dad's Nikomat FT2 for a long time.
There is a question about the Nikomat, I can't understand.
Why Nikon company separated into Nikon and Nokomat two different brands,
and the basic components are the same?



C