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From:  (Daniel O'Bannion)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: death to england first
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:12:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.destroy.the.earth
Organization: IRA

Just please make sure that you start the destruction in that
pathetic little island country the grand old U.K.

fuck you, limey assholes! do mankind a favor--stay indoors.
or better yet, stop wasting good oxygen!
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:02:54 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
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In article <1992Sep29.023710.11839@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>We _could_ start in England, Switzerland, or Canada, but I think
>our best bet is somewhere like L.A. or New York where
>those 'Eco-Hobbits' (what a cool phrase.  Kudos to whoever
>thought it up.) won't notice us until IT'S TOO LATE.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Scott Locklin (?sp?), I believe... cf. "New-Age Bliss-Ninny", from
sci.skeptic.

>	Jason
>Our Reporter On The Hideous Plane Of Leng

   About a year ago I suggested a method for doing this: Build an Orion in,
say, Death Valley. Let people protest. Let people chain themselves to our
propellant, if that gives them any satisfaction. Launch. Iterate as needed.
(Ex hypothesi, we've got lots of nukes - who'd argue with us?) There are,
of course, technical details to be resolved...
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist
	VP, Campus Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley)

-- 
"Some savages are persuaded by the 'natural light' that it is their duty to
 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
-Bertrand Russell on Rousseau in _A History of Western Philosophy_, p. 694
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:09:17 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
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In article <1a9mvrINNnq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>>	Jason
>>Our Reporter On The Hideous Plane Of Leng
                              ^^^^^
			Near the unspeakable triangle of Kadath, I presume...

>	I personally favor razing Berkley.  If only to get them out of the way
>so we can destroy the rest of the earth in peace.
>							-Jay
   I beg your pardon! Berkeley isn't just eco-hobbits, granola-fascists and
new-age bliss-ninnies. This is the university of Lawerence, of Oppenheimer,
of (dare the name even be spoken?) EDWARD "BOOM-BOOM" TELLER! The work of
these men (and their students and successors over the hills in Livermore)
will be of the utmost value to us! Besides, there are literally a dozen
people I know here who read a.t.d.e. At least give us time to bug out and
help with the Great Work.
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist, reporting live (?) from the Athens of the West
	VP, Campus Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley)

-- 
"Some savages are persuaded by the 'natural light' that it is their duty to
 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
-Bertrand Russell on Rousseau in _A History of Western Philosophy_, p. 694
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Summary: It don't matter where we start.
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:56:11 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Hello, fellow alt.d.t.e ers:

	I think we all need to agree that where we begin
depends entirely on our chosen caper.  Nuclear destruction
necessitates an area of either high winds or high population
density or both.  Viral infection of the food supply means
we need an "agriculturally sound" area to seed.  Sheer
environmental wanton disregard for safety must be carried
out on a global scale, if it is to have any efficacy at all.

	As to specific types of destruction, we need to also
make clear whether we are destroying the earth as a planet,
as an ecosystem, or merely destroying humanity and letting 
the animals take over.  Or perhaps destroying both the
animals _and_ us.  Or just moving to another planet and
letting the Eco-Hobbits live here, before we blow it up.

	Probably the best idea is to escalate.  Start with
a virus or a killer strain of bacteria in the food supply,
then a quick-mutating evolutionary monstrosity introduced
into the human population, then while the economy and
social structure is still teetering, try the Orion idea.
Sound good?
	Yours,m,
	Jason
	Our Reporter On the Hideous Plane of Leng
	with a crappy text editor.  Sorry.
From: dproudfo@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kekoa Proudfoot)
Subject: Re: Tilt the earth
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.155620.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:

>   What if we nuked the moon from the other side, so that it carreened into
> the Earth?  I bet that would take care of the global warming problem.

I honestly believed this discussion ended a long time ago, but since this
group has gotten a little dry, I suppose some people haven't been clued in:

The moon is a very massive object.  It can't be moved with a simple nuclear
explosion.  The technology to move the moon won't be available in the
forseeable near future.

Don't even bother trying to move the Earth, since it is roughly 81 times as
massive as the moon.

Please, get your Physics straight before thinking of ideas to d.t.e.

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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Nothing in Particular
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:54:32 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
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In article <92271.011757CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu> <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Erg, isn't this the third time this exact post has shown up here?

reminds me of christian posts to alt.satanism... Eco-hobbit posts to this
newsgroup.... What a vile form of life they are; yet another reason to
BLOW THIS MUTHA UP!!!!

>
> Thing is, we don't particularly want to kill ourselves. WE WANT TO KILL YOU.
>ALL OF YOU. AND ANYTHING THAT MIGHT EVOLVE SO THAT IT RESEMBLES YOU. Death for
>us is meerly a necessary side effect, one that we're willing to accept.
>
>DEATH TO MOTHER EARTH! Pave the sucker over!
>
Say, anyone know any specific phytoplankton toxins, suffocation is a 
partic
fairly unspectacular way to snuff it, but easily acchievable... If we could
find a way to get plutonium to float... Say isn't there a tanker-full of it
on its way to Japan? Hmmmm....

ye servante of ye greate olde ones...

-Scott
From: jseaver@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:32:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

>	Well, I'd ask as a personal favor (and as an American citizen) that 
>we destroy this country first.  Anything to avoid the election this year.
>
>	On the other hand, either of the US presidential candidates might
>do a damn good job of trashing the planet...

	That's a good idea...  However, our base of operations seems to be in
the U.S., so destroying ALL of America right away might be a bad idea.  Hows
about we destroy the District of Columbia first, and then target the general
area that Clinton, Gore, Bush, and Quayle seem to be in?  In fact, now that
I think of it, I think we should make really sure to obliterate Gore.  If he
survives our initial blitz he might prove to be an effective leader for the
resistence.

						-Jay
From: mdm@sparc2.prime.com (Michael D. McAfee)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: forget london, canada, etc.
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:24:24 GMT
Organization: Computervision


		Hi.  I've been lurking a while, and I just have one request.

		If you're going to destroy the earth, could you start with
	advertising agencies?  That way, when the Earth goes, I will have
	had several months with no stupid commercials.

		Thank you.

	Michael, the Chaotic
	disclaimer:  could you destroy my employers last, though?  I mean,
			it's not their fault I posted this.
From: jseaver@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Date: 30 Sep 1992 02:23:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: buckaroo.wpi.edu

In article <1aauntINN8ce@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes:
>In article <1a9mvrINNnq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>>>	Jason
>>>Our Reporter On The Hideous Plane Of Leng
>                              ^^^^^
>			Near the unspeakable triangle of Kadath, I presume...
>
>>	I personally favor razing Berkley.  If only to get them out of the way
>>so we can destroy the rest of the earth in peace.
>>							-Jay
>   I beg your pardon! Berkeley isn't just eco-hobbits, granola-fascists and
>new-age bliss-ninnies. This is the university of Lawerence, of Oppenheimer,
>of (dare the name even be spoken?) EDWARD "BOOM-BOOM" TELLER! The work of
>these men (and their students and successors over the hills in Livermore)
>will be of the utmost value to us! Besides, there are literally a dozen
>people I know here who read a.t.d.e. At least give us time to bug out and
>help with the Great Work.

	Well sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry! :)  I suppose you can have
some time, but Berkley seems to be where a lot of the econazis hang out.  Bug
out NOW!
					-Jay
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From: dproudfo@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kekoa Proudfoot)
Subject: Re: Doing it right the first time
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:06:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.233540.5143@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU
(CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH) writes:
> In article <1ae0jpINNmv5@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince
> Caprio Jr) writes:
> >
> >
> >Personally, the key to destroying all the life on Earth is really quite
> >simple.  What is the one thing that all life forms have in common? (No,
> >not DNA) 
> >WATER.
> 
> Not true.  There exist life forms based entirely off of H2S.  They're at the
> microbe level right now, but would surely evolve if it weren't for
> >competition with H2O base life forms.
> 
> Try again.

Not true.  Water is a necessary solvent for life-as-we-know-it.  Chemicals
required to sustain life are either dissolved or suspended in water.  Water
is the medium in which most chemical transport occurs.  In the case of an
H2S organism, H2S (a gas) is dissolved in water.

Try again.

As for Mr. Caprio, Jr., good luck trying to eliminate the oceans.  It's not
quite as "simple" as you say.

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From: mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu (The Panicked Hamster)
Subject: Re: death to england first
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:41:04 GMT

In article <1a7uslINN796@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.201226.14327@news.nd.edu> (Daniel O'Bannion) writes:
>>Just please make sure that you start the destruction in that
>>pathetic little island country the grand old U.K.
>	NO!!  We destroy the Swiss first - little neutral, unable to commit to
>anything bastards!  THEN we destroy England!!  No, wait, let's destroy Canada
>first!  Always leaching off the United States and then being snobbish about
>not actually BEING the U.S.

	Well, I'd ask as a personal favor (and as an American citizen) that 
we destroy this country first.  Anything to avoid the election this year.

	On the other hand, either of the US presidential candidates might
do a damn good job of trashing the planet...

-- 
Michael Lucas				mwlucas@vela.acs.oakland.edu
Doom?

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From: knb@postman.hsn.no (KNUT ERIK BORGEN)
Subject: The End
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:18:14 GMT

Hi Folks!

I was reading this conferance and was fasinated by the tecnical question of 
how to destroy the earth compleatly. I do love it, but the question tickled 
my brain, so here is some suggestions:

1. If you drop a lot of nukes at the same place at the same time, but insted 
   of detonating them in the normal hight you detonate them on the ground.
   This will surtanly destroy whatever is around, but the main effect is 
   more interesting. This explotion will probably blast its way down to the 
   center of the earth and then we'll have a gigantic vulcano ! (Probably a 
   very nice effect) If any seawater is going to access this vulcano there 
   is a possibility that the mantel will cool (-> Will probably lower 
   temperature on earth) and there will be created an extreme cloud 
   development. (not saying anything of the nuclear winter that will appear 
   when dust from the nuclear explosions will cover the earth!!)
   This will probably lead the Earth into a deathbringing everlasting 
   winter.. (If the nukes are dropped right, maby the Earth will change 
   orbit -> Into a cooler one. Comments anyone ?)

2. The easiest way must be to create some sort of biological weapon that 
   could wipe out all life on earth. This virus (or something like that) 
   must be able to multiply in an enormous rate, and it must whitstand any 
   temperature. (My suggestion is that its allready invented ?)

KEB
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Sulfur Life (was Re: Doing it right the first time)
Date: 4 Oct 1992 07:47:35 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu
Summary: say WHAT?

In article <1992Oct3.233540.5143@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH) writes:
>Not true.  There exist life forms based entirely off of H2S.  They're at the
>microbe level right now, but would surely evolve if it weren't for competition
>with H2O base life forms.
    Far be it from me to doubt you, but WHAT? You're not talking about the
deep-sea thermal vent bacteria which get energy from sulfides, are you?
The poster who talked about life being water based meant (as far as I could
tell) that all the interesting stuff was dissolved/suspended in water. Are
you saying there are microbes which use H2S similarly? At what kind of
pressure? Where?
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist
	VP, Campus Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley)
"This is no _bomb_, it's just a light bulb brighter than a thousand suns..."
-- 
"Some savages are persuaded by the 'natural light' that it is their duty to
 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
-Bertrand Russell on Rousseau in _A History of Western Philosophy_, p. 694
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From: rlee@andy.bgsu.edu (Bob Lee)
Subject: Re: Nothing in Particular
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:35:43 GMT

I don't want you people to take this next question as a flame, I just want
to satisfy my curiosity.

If all of you hate this world and the people in it so much why don't you
just kill yourselves. If you destroy the earth you'll be killing yourself
anyways. It just seems to me that killing yourself would bypass a step
and be a lot easier.

Do all of you believe the philosophy that "If I go, I'm taking everyone
with me"?

Just curious!
-BOB
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Doing it right the first time
Date: 1 Oct 1992 04:59:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



Personally, the key to destroying all the life on Earth is really quite simple.
What is the one thing that all life forms have in common? (No, not DNA) 
WATER.
No need to get technical with all that genetic engineering and such.  Kurt
Vonnegut managed to waste the whole planet with a single flake of Ice-9.  Get
rid of water, and it's all over.
Of course, there's always shifting the planet's orbit just a tad or two closer
so that radiation and increased temperature could no longer support life, but
that's still technologically a ways off.

-- 
________________________________E-Mail mikecap________________________________
"If violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, why is there so much
     violence?" - question addressed to Isaac Asimov
"Because there is so much incompetence."  - Asimov's reply
From: eperkio@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Nothing in Particular
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:29:52 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Sep30.015239.8598@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, 
locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
> In article <1aatelINN85c@agate.berkeley.edu> lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu 
> (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes:
> 
>>   Toxins, plutonium, etc. aren't needed. We just want a virus which kills
>>phytoplankton and can be distributed in the currents. Now that I think about
> 
> Ahh, but poisons are easier to actually _make_. Genetic engineering is 
> somewhat in its infancy right now, Chemistry is not... I'll have to post to 
> some sci groups...

The greatest problem with poison is not the poison itself, but the vast
quantity needed to do away with life.  Also, there may be more than a few 
difficulties in seeking the cheap, easy to mass-produce, universal poison.

Genetic engineering holds great promise for us; once a killer virus 
has been made and unleashed, the great work will proceed with virtually no 
cost or effort whatsoever, and there's precious little anyone can do about it.


--
Esa Perki|               "I should honor you?  Why?"
eperkio@cc.helsinki.fi      - Prometheus to Zeus according to Goethe
IRCer Shade
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From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Doing Baby Seals Right :-)
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:35:18 GMT

     Hasn't anyone here heard?  The average human sperm count has dropped
something like fifty percent in the past fifty years, due to pollution.  So
there, Ecofreaks.  I think that instead of worrying about how we are going to
kill off the human race, we should worry about killing off all of the animals
before we die out.
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Summary: Where we should start.
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:37:10 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

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We _could_ start in England, Switzerland, or Canada, but I think
our best bet is somewhere like L.A. or New York where
those 'Eco-Hobbits' (what a cool phrase.  Kudos to whoever
thought it up.) won't notice us until IT'S TOO LATE.

Wait a sec.  It already _is_ too late in those places...

The Earth Is Our Mother, and Ecofreaks: Remember What Happened
To Oedipus For Loving His Mother Too Much...

Start in Iowa.  No-one will miss it.

	Yours,
	Jason
Our Reporter On The Hideous Plane Of Leng
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: death to england first
Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:50:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

>We _could_ start in England, Switzerland, or Canada, but I think
>our best bet is somewhere like L.A. or New York where
>those 'Eco-Hobbits' (what a cool phrase.  Kudos to whoever
>thought it up.) won't notice us until IT'S TOO LATE.
>
>Wait a sec.  It already _is_ too late in those places...
>
>The Earth Is Our Mother, and Ecofreaks: Remember What Happened
>To Oedipus For Loving His Mother Too Much...
>
>Start in Iowa.  No-one will miss it.
>
>	Yours,
>	Jason
>Our Reporter On The Hideous Plane Of Leng

	That's true.  We could remove Wyoming without anyone noticing, either.

	I personally favor razing Berkley.  If only to get them out of the way
so we can destroy the rest of the earth in peace.

							-Jay


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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Nothing in Particular
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:48:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Bv7D7M.BH@andy.bgsu.edu> rlee@andy.bgsu.edu (Bob Lee) writes:
>I don't want you people to take this next question as a flame, I just want
>to satisfy my curiosity.
>
>If all of you hate this world and the people in it so much why don't you
>just kill yourselves. If you destroy the earth you'll be killing yourself
>anyways. It just seems to me that killing yourself would bypass a step
>and be a lot easier.

Suicide is an act of cowardice, brought on by frustration.
THe satisfaction associated with exterminating _everything_ or the ability to
do so is some, istg, gi,ves me that gives mee sensation.
>
>Do all of you believe the philosophy that "If I go, I'm taking everyone
>with me"?

Not at all, it is a simple, pure desire to _destroy_ everything, nothing 
personal I assure you...

>Just curious!

Just destructive...
>-B
-Scott



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From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Subject: Re: Nothing in Particular
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:30:43 GMT

 writes
> Not at all, it is a simple, pure desire to _destroy_ everything, nothing 
> personal I assure you...

Of course!  People have been destroying earth gradually for the past few  
centuries.  Humans have the innate need to destroy, and they are very talented at  
it.  What could be more natural?  Why not just get it over with?  (The Earth has  
to die sooner or later, anyway.)
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.destroy.the.earth
Subject: Re: Tilt the Earth
Summary: No Way Jose
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:21:08 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Tilt the Earth?  Get it out of orbit?  I think we're taking
on a task way too large for us here.  Lets start by thinkinh
small.  (sorry for the typos.  Crappy text editor.)

First of all, the "crash the moon" idea was a little too big,
but what most didn't seem to catch was that you don't actually
need to send it crashing into the earth, all you really need is
to get it _a little_ closer so that the tides will be thrown off
and gigantic waves will wash over the continents.  OK, OK, even
that's a little farfetched.

To destroy the entire planet, literally, would take devastation
on a planetary scale.  Anyone got a spare solar system they aren't
using?  There is one possible exception, though.  Chaos theory
says (OVERSIMPLIFICATION ALERT!  OVERSIMPLIFICATION ALERT!) that 
even small changes in apparently linear systems can produce
gigantic alterations if iterated (repeated) enough times.  A
good short story to illustrate this is "Eyewall" (by Benford,
I think.  It was in the Years Best Science Fiction, ed. Dozois).
If some geologists could get together with us mathematicians,
we could find that one particular action that could cause massive
instability and DO IT!  Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that
this will occur anytime soon, or even that any such action exists.
So in the meantime, I suggest we find some other suggestions- anyone?

	Jason
	Our Reporter on the Hideous Plane of Leng
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