HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:22:59 GMT

In article <ISBELL.92Nov7204156@panther.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>|I've seen a similar stat somewhere.  The theory has been most recently
>|espoused by noted epidemologist and viral specialist Spike Lee, and the
>|media's been dutifully reporting his ravings.
>
>Spike Lee aside, have any of you read _Bad Blood: The Tuskegee
>Syphilis Experiment_?  

No, but I'm aware of it.

>Since the events described therein are true and
>given the other facts of recent history, why would anyone actually be
>surprised that there is a large minority of people who believe such
>things about AIDS, etc?  And in fact, why would anyone dispute the
>reality, however remote, of the possibility?

Because the conspiracy theory detailed so far is impossible.  And,
unlike a Lewis Carroll character, I don't make it a habit to believe
a certain number of impossible things before breakfast.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:27:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Nov12.210417.15462@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >There have only been
: >one or two presidents who received a majority of the EC votes but not a
: >majority of the popular vote.
:  ^^^^^^^^
: 
: Probably you meant to say "plurality" here.

No, I did not mean plurality.

However, the statement is poorly worded. I should have said, "only one or     
two presidents have received a majority of the popular vote and not a majority
of the EC vote". I believe it was only one - it may have been two.

: There have been at least 16 elections in which the winner
: got less than 50% of the popular vote.  In 3 of those cases, 
: the winner got fewer popular votes than the loser.  

It was those 3 to whom I was referring.

: Presidents elected even though their opponents got more
: of the popular vote than they did:
: 
: 1824  J.Q.Adams (30% of popular, 84 electoral votes) 
:       versus A.Jackson (45% of popular, 99 electoral votes);
:       no candidate got a majority of electoral votes;
:       House of Representatives elected Adams.
: 1876  Rutherford (a.k.a. "Rutherfraud") B. Hayes, 48%,
:       versus Samuel Tilden, 51%.  Hayes received a majority
:       (by a margin of 1) of the electoral vote after being
:       awarded certain disputed states by an "electoral commission"
:       appointed by Congress. 
: 1888  Benjamin Harrison 47.9% versus Grover Cleveland 48.6%.
:       Harrison received a majority of the electoral vote.

Hm. One with a majority - two with a plurality. Thanks for the
confirmation.

Bill
From: sstockw1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sarah Stockwell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: California dress code
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:00:51 GMT
Organization: None

In article <44.2AF2E65C@business.fidonet.org>,
Darrell.Cadwallader@f363.n363.z1.fidonet.org (Darrell Cadwallader) writes:
> This reminds me of my trip to El Lay last year. Standard Florida dress code
> (at least, current styles) are Levis 505 jeans, solid color Polos, and
> Sperry Topsiders. When I woke up one morning in my aunt's house, I put on a
> multicolor pair of surfshorts and a shirt with horizontal green/red/white
> stripes. I hadn't brushed my hair yet, and I was wearing prescription
> Wayfarers since my contacts were still soaking. My aunt took one look at me
> from across our respective cups of coffee and said, "Now you look like you're
> from California."
>  
> It struck me as odd. In Florida, it's easy to tell the tourists; the wear
> dirty high top Reeboks with broken laces, black socks, black tees with the
> obligatory heavy-metal band on front, and cut-off jeans with one leg longer
> than the other. After my aunt said this to me, I became more congnizant of
> the style of dress out there, and for the life of me I still couldn't find
> out how to "look Californian."
>  
> Any ideas?

I spent almost my entire life in San Diego.  I offer:  

Southern Southern California (South of LA): Dress like a beer commercial.

LA: Dress loud, skinny, and skin-tight.  Above all, have a perfect body and
be very self-assured about your clothing; then everyone will assume that
any ghastly fashion mistakes are actually intentional and hip.  Then they
will emulate you, unless they know you are not from LA.

Northern California: Normal clothing.

Southern California in general: Wear what you would normally wear, except
in brighter colors and with less actual material.

--Sarah
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: AIDS as a Weapon.
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:59:56 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <27393@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
=  +I really find it hard to believe that a nation which runs it's economy
=  +based on quarterly returns and can change sides on the fly (e.g. 1981 
=  +Iran is bad Iraq is good, 1991 Iraq is bad Iran is good), could conceive 
=  +of a weapon which takes so long to have any effect.  
=
=I heard that the CIA has planted a drug that will kill Fidel 
=Castro with lung cancer, in, oh, 20-40 yrs.

No, he smokes cigars.  Some sort of cancer in the mouth, not the lungs.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:04:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes:

  +Heard it on NPR:  Spiro Agnew turned 74 today.

Well FINE.

Terry "But is he still alive?" Chan
--
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Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
From: schleusner@mble.philips.be
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: dishwasher trick
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:15:35 MEWT
Organization: MBLE , Brussels, Belgium

In article <1dhsncINNcb2@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:
> In <DECHC00.92Nov7161942@tohi.DMI.USherb.Ca> dechc00@tohi.DMI.USherb.Ca (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN) writes:
> 
> 
>>Put some clean plates in your dishwasher before your start it.
>>You will see that the rest of your dishes get cleaner than usual.
> 
> 
>>--
>>Christian Dechamplain|
>>(819) 563-8951       |
>>dechc00@dmi.usherb.ca|
>>----------------------
> 
> 
> This Christian guy is an ASSHOLE!!!! I tried his little trick and it took
> the pattern off my plates!!! Thanks a whole ------- lot!
> 
> -Diverson
> 
> --
> diverson@phys.ksu.edu

I think I heard about a three-sided plate (maybe by Monthy Python). Anyone
heard about it or is it an UL?

Daniel
From: warlock@ecst.csuchico.edu (John Kennedy)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Citadel and shackle locks, was: Kryptonite Locks
Date: 8 Nov 1992 20:29:58 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1992Nov4.204813.17055@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> bill nelson writes:

-->  walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh) writes:
-->  : ... This fellow put a big torch on this lock for a few  
-->  : minutes, then said to the crowd that has gathered, 
-->  : "Stand back, everybody!"  He then hit the lock with a 
-->  : hammer and it shattered into a zillion (10^??) pieces.
-->  
-->  Sounds like a round-about and hard way to do it. With
-->  an oxyacetylene torch, he could have cut through the
-->  lock shackles in under 10 seconds.

  You'd make a poor showman.  (:  If I had a crowd built up, I'd try and make
it flashy, too.  Of course, there is nothing like having a bunch of white-hot
pieces of metal down your shoes and in your clothing to make a day "exciting."

			--- john "I wear tevas and I'm staying the hell away"
-- 
p'ch'zarni'chiwkov:  the nasty little sound of a sword being unsheathed right
behind one at just the point when one thought one had disposed of one's enemies.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: Where can I look for any scholarly info....
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:40:34 GMT

In <1992Nov10.204510.27423@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>: 
>: Followed by billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) who writes:
>: 
>:   +>Nope. He doesn't know the depths of depravity of which this group
>:   +>is capable.
>: 
>: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) replies:
>: 
>:   +You got that right, and I quit, pretty silly thing, I really enjoy the
>:   +subject area.......
>:   +
>:   +And I am not talking about spelling.!
>: 
>: Nor punctuation I take it.
>: 
>: Terry

>Heh, heh! It has been fun yanking on his chain. Any more where he came
>from?

Oh yeah, a real blast!

>Bill

*****************************************************************************
*       Spiritus Sanctus Anno Mundi:  Can you see me, are you near me?      *
* Can you hear me crying out for life?  Can you tell me, where's the glory? *
*     BLACK         **********************************      SABBATH         *
*******************  flar@iastate.edu (Brad Armitage)  **********************

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: dechc00@tohi.DMI.USherb.Ca (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN)
Subject: Re: another UL
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et
	d'Informatique
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:01:16 GMT


Well check your diodes because "rumour" is not french at all.
The french word is "rumeur".

--
Christian Dechamplain|
(819) 563-8951       |
dechc00@dmi.usherb.ca|
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From: yenamand@tera.cs.umn.edu (Murthy yenamandra)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:33:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: tera.yenamand.721456407
Organization: :noitazinagrO

moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:

>Ummmm, don't know if this was mentioned, but the "AIDS is biological warfare
>created by the CIA to wipe out Africans/whoever" story is Soviet propaganda/
>disinformation _designed_ to make the US look bad in the eyes of the world
>(particularly Africa).

Just because it's Soviet Propaganda[tm] doesn't mean it's not true. So
it must be true.

Murthy "the humble logician" Yenamandra

--
Murthy Yenamandra	|    "I close my eyes and all the world drops dead;
Dept of Comp Science 	|     I lift my lids and all is born again.
Univ of Minnesota	|     (I think I made you up inside my head.)"
yenamand@cs.umn.edu OR murthy@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (if the first one fails)
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Question about "T." in James T. Kirk !!!!!!  (As seen on TV)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 05:39:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Terry Terry)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

tlhayes@eos.ncsu.edu (TERRI LYNN HAYES) writes:

  +I was just curious about a couple of things, as this article made 
  +almost no sense to me.....

Now how does this happen?

  +1)  I thought that Majel Barrett was Gene Roddenberry's wife and

Who're they?
  
  +2)  Are you talking about a REAL episode??  I was completely lost.

Wasn't that the one that established Kirk's middle name as "Terry"?
 
  +Thanks for your patience in answering what may appear to be
  +ridiculous questions.

Hey, no problem!
  
  +Terri
   ^^^^^

Oh no!  Two in a week.  I^H They're slipping!

Terry "Terry" Terry 
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
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From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: 1950's Darryle, damnit.
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:40:53 GMT

Darryle, AIDS appeared in the fifties.  Everything you have to say is rendered
nonsense by this observation.  Could you please stop wasting time and space and
take cognizance?  Ay least post a _possible_ conspiracy theory.  At the moment
you're repeating yourself like a parrot while ignoring an objection that
destroys your whole thesis.  Why?

In detail:

In article <ZhB=S1-@engin.umich.edu>, dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
writes:
> I've chosen to reply to Mr. Brown's post because it was not obnoxious like
> those originating from some other knuckleheads. Thanks for the polite 
> information, Bill.

   You posted know crap refuted before HERE.  What did you expect?
 
> I still stand by my claim: in light of the facts behind the Tuskegee 
> Experiment, the Violence Initiative, and known chemical/biological warfare 
> capabilities, one would have to be naive and/or stupid to consider the
> possibility of AIDS being genetically engineered as totally without merit.

 THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS GENETIC ENGINEERING WHEN THE AIDS VIRUS APPEARED.

Given that well documented fact, how on earth can you say the proposal has
any nonzero merit?

> And even if it is a naturally occurring virus, there is still evidence that
> it is being used against what the government considers "undesirable 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> populations". I wish some people would consider these possibilities rather
> than being knee-jerk (emphasis on the *jerk*) reactionaries attacking
> anything that even hints at conspiracy/complicity.

   No such evidence has ever been produced.  The virus infects populations
that exchange bodilly fluids more often than normal.  This explains the 
observed infection pattern.  Promiscuity in Gays, needle sharing in drug
addicts, etc.  The conspiracy theories are not being dismissed out of hand;
they fail to make sense.

   If you could produce some of this evidence, please? (Before hell freezes
over?)
 
> The following article is from the _NY Daily News_, dated *July 15, 1962*
> -- although it speaks specifically about bacteria, it is easy to see
> an extension to viruses occurring over the past 20 yrs:
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   AIDS appeard in the fifties.  Are you postulating time travel?  Are you to
stupid to read the articles TELLING you AIDS appeared in the fifties?  Again:
the capabilities to produce the AIDS virus do not exist NOW and failed
radically to exist when the virus appeared.  Biowarfare -hell biotecnology-,
just doesn't have the degree of specificity you need.


> -------------------------------------------------------
> "A Super Germ is Bred as a Death Weapon"
> 
        [irrelevant article, clearly post WWII, deleted]

YOUR TIME FRAME IS STUPIDLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!  WWII+20 years>1959 :-{

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Subject: Re: MRI (was: Re: Courgettes (was Re: doggy style))
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:41:37 GMT

In article <TDS.92Nov5201045@qpc1.ATT.COM> tds@hoserve.att.com (Tony DeSimone) writes:
>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Nov 92 20:31:13 GMT, donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) said:
>
>Don> The field strength varies:  I don't have the numbers handy but my company
>Don> sells some low field, permanent magnet systems, as well as medium->high
>Don> field superconducting systems.
>
>Oh good, an expert!  I've always wondered how the technique came to be
>called MRI.  I recall that in the early days (say, ten years ago), the
>field went by the name NMR imaging.  I even remember seeing signs in
>hospitals.  Then suddenly there seemed to be a flash cut to MRI.  The
>way I heard it, the reason was to get the word ``nuclear'' out of the
>term for fear of alarming the hoi-polloi.  Any truth to this?
>

Total truth. As you went on to say, the technique is called NMR
'Nuclear-Magnetic Resonance' (or is it 'Nucleo-Magn...'? Whatever), and the
reason for the name-change is pure PR, so that jack and jill public won't
be frightened off by the radioactive connotations...

The Wisp [remember Windscale and its magic moonbeams...]
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: Ex-presidents
Organization: a2i network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:16:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.160731.12697@adimail.uucp> tel@adimail.uucp (Terry Monks) writes:
>
>Who ever said that *any* of the Terries were male?
>
>Terry "guess" Monks

The subject has never come up in the appropriate place.

Phil
-- 
Phil Gustafson <phil@rahul.net>
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: U of Chicago Radioactive (was Still Sinking.../Architectural Goofs)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:09:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

ssriv@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sanjay Srivastava) writes:

  +> 	I also seem to remember hearing a story that when they were
  +> testing this atomic pile, they had two grad students standing above it, on
  +> the gound level, holding control rods in case anything went wrong.  

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:
  +
  +Yeah.  My father was one of them.
  +
  +--Scott "I think my tentacles come from my father's side of the
  +family" Cromar

Sorry to hear that, but that's what happens with family jewels.

Terry "Oh, you wrote TENTACLES" Chan
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Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.culture.african.american,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: 1950's Darryle, damnit.
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:45:42 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:

>In article <ZhB=S1-@engin.umich.edu>, dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
>writes:
>
>> I still stand by my claim: in light of the facts behind the Tuskegee 
>> Experiment, the Violence Initiative, and known chemical/biological warfare 
>> capabilities, one would have to be naive and/or stupid to consider the
>> possibility of AIDS being genetically engineered as totally without merit.
>
> THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS GENETIC ENGINEERING WHEN THE AIDS VIRUS APPEARED.

Daniel, you and others are missing the point here, when you keep saying it
isn't *possible*.  The concept is one that is relatively easy
to understand, and it *is* possible.  

For instance, in the above passage, merely change "genetic engineerng"
to "selective breeding" and you have a scenario which is *possible*.

So what?  My personal theory is that little greeen men in a spaceship
which normally hides on the dark side of the moon came down and spread the
virus around by attaching leaking vials of the virus around the necks
of migrating Snow Geese.  Can you *prove* me wrong?

Just because a theory is possible doesn't lend it any credibility.
Of course it's *possible* that the U.S. Government is responsible
for the AIDS virus.

But since there's not a shred of evidence for it and no known 
motive (not even a whiff of a credible motive) why are all
of you spending so much time and energy trying to refute the theory?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: smith+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge
Keywords: furrfu! Allende!
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:54:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Nov12.222053.23889@u.washington.edu> starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:

>So, anyone wanna help me with my homework?

Sure!

--Sean ``but it'll cost you two fifty'' Smith

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                         sean.smith@cs.cmu.edu
                     carnegie mellon computer science

          posting from PITTSBURGH, the center of the AFUniverse!
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>Bollocks - most 'Americnas' know that.  You are correct about
>the gun nuts, however.  They also miss out the bit about
>the right to bear arms being contingent on their being part of
>a well-regulated militia.

Read the Constitution *and* a history of the Constitution.  The first
eight amendments define the rights of the individual, NOT the state.
The ninth amendment states that people have other rights not
enumerated, and the tenth amendment is reserves rights for the
individual states.

"AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."

The supreme court has ruled more than once that the "militia" part of
the amendment is a permissive clause, not a restrictive one.

To my friends in the UK - notice that the phrase "Subject to law" does
not appear.  The second amendment is quoted above in its entirety.
                                                                                                
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