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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Deja Vu all over again (OSU, Wisconson, putrid play calling)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:26:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Oct4.012845.4519@desire.wright.edu> skip writes:
>
>	Sure, they played lousy.  Poor execution.  Horrible play calling (that
>should be OSU's new logo), etc. etc. etc.
    
    Did UW have anything to do with this? The number one run defense in the
    Big 10. Holding Washington to about 3 yards a carry, closer to 2 if you
    take away a 60-yard run by Hobert. 

>	OSU has a history of doing this, with Wisconson, no less.
    
    True. Maybe UW has something going here.

>	My major gripe is the "let's run, run, run, run,..." play calling. 
>Cooper does it.  Bruce did it.  Hayes did it.  The difference is, it worked for
>Hayes.  The Big 10 is different now, and trying to establish a running game at
>all costs is useless.
    
    Actually, OSU attempted 34 passes and ran 35 times. The 35 runs include
    six sacks and a few scrambles, so they didn't just run, run, run. BTW, you
    CAN'T establish a running game against UW anymore!

>	When Herbstreit was finally allowed to direct a passing series, BOOM!
>OSU scored.  Yet Cooper insists on waiting until it is too late to go to a
>passing game.
     
     Big deal. UW was in the prevent, letting OSU move down the field and use
     the clock. Well, they probably didn't just let them go down the field,
     but gave the Bucks five yard passes.
     Oh, and the only reason they scored a TD was because of a very            
     questionable late hit call on UW.

>	AHHHHHHHHHHHH!  It's Earl Bruce all over again, only without the same
>level of talent.
>
>	Thrust those daggers, kick us while we're down, you OSU-denigrators. 
>This is your day in the sun.
    
    I'd be happy to! :)

>	Guess I can't send in any more OSU #1 votes.  (For a while :).
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                      Hey, that's a good idea :)
   
   --salty
   p.s. Why have so many people commented about OSU losing the game. To
   anyone who watched it, it was quite easy to see the UW won it. The Badgers
   simply outplayed OSU. UW's offensive and defensive lines are big and
   strong, people better get used to seeing UW play well. The OL gave up
   three sacks in the final minute of the UW-UW game and haven't given up
   any others the rest of the season.


>Brett                                                      


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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: MSU welcomes Shane home & QB update 
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:49:40 GMT


Well, Shane was looking forward to playing a college football game in his home
state of Mississippi.  Of course, Matthews, who has let it be known he has no   
pride or regard for his home state, expected another pushover MSU secondary.

I am shocked as well with their performance,  The MSU secondary , after giving
up some big plays in the first quarter, effectively shut down Florida's passing
game.  Our linebackers & line never let the running game take off.

I bet Tre Everett doesn't want to come back now either (of course, he is not 
welcome after his stereotyping of Mississippi)



MSU Quarterback update:


Sleepy Robinson tore his anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee.  He is out for the season.  

2nd string Greg Plump has a sore neck and is doubtful for Auburn.

3rd string (and the SEC's top punter) Todd Jordan is healthy, but is it worth risking to lose your punter?

Jackie was planning on redshirting Rodney Hudson, from LaGrange , GA.  He was 
Mr. Football in GA last year and looks really good.  I do believe he will
be taking some snaps a little earlier than he expected.


Oh well, 9 days till Pat Dyes  (pardon the pun)  :-)

David


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From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Poll Injustice (was: WEEKLY TOP 25)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 06:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.205505.27683@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito) writes:
>
>      -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----
>
>THIS LAST
>WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Last Week's Results          Next Game
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1    1  Washington    4 0 0  WON v. SouthernCal, 17-10    v. California,10/10
> 2    2  Miami         4 0 0  WON v. Florida St, 19-16     at Penn St., 10/10
> 3    4  Michigan      3 0 1  WON v. Iowa, 52-28           v. MichiganSt,10/10
> 4    7  Tennessee     5 0 0  WON at LSU, 20-0             v. Arkansas,10/10
> 5    5  Texas A&M     5 0 0  WON v. Texas Tech, 19-17     v. Rice, 10/17
> 6    9  Alabama       5 0 0  WON v. S. Carolina, 48-7     at Tulane, 10/10
> 7    8  Penn State    5 0 0  WON at Rutgers, 38-24        v. Miami, 10/10
> 8    3  Florida St    4 1 0  LOST at Miami, 19-16         v. N.Carolina,10/10
 ^^^^^^^^

Now is it me, or is this highly unfair? I mean 2 plays 3, and 2 barely
wins as 3 misses a 39 yd field goal to tie it in the last seconds of
the game. Exactly what should happen if you rely on the polls, i.e. 2
should beat 3, because they're ranked higher, but shouldn't win by
much, because they're right beside one another in the polls. So why
drop them to 8th? Especially behind an A&M team that barely beat Texas
Tech... C'mon pollsters, wake up. 

Not that I care about Florida teams... At least they left Washington
where they should be.

>11   18  Stanford      4 1 0  WON at Notre Dame, 33-16     at UCLA,10/10
 ^^^^^^^^

This, on the other hand, demonstrates excellent judgment.. 8-)


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| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: OSU Football Season tickets
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.133710.29268@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.182434.29169@cis.ohio-state.edu> wang-c@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Wang-Chien Lee) writes:
|> >I have a pair of OSU season tickets for sale. The seats are
|> >located in 9A row 26. If interested, please call 291-4530
|> >or send mail to wang-c@cis.ohio-state.edu
|> 
|> Gosh, you gave up pretty quickly, didn't you?
|> -- 
|> 

Maybe he has had them for the past 5 years. Oops.. sorry, didn't mean to 
whine-)

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From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:05:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.174846.8232@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
*
*In principle I agree with you, but what other board do you suggest people
*talk about marching bands.  The college football board unfortunately the
*most related thing to marching bands.  So when you blow off steam like
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ahh, excuse me, but bull****.  Try alt.drumcorps if you want to talk
music.

*that, please give helpful suggestions...
*Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


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From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The deciding game for the Rose bowl this Weekend
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:53:32 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep30.090047.10263@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> tshannon@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
>
>	The game Sat. with Michigan Vs. Iowa should decide who goes to
>the Rose Bowl.  The last seven out of the eleven years the team that
>has won that game has gone to smell the roses.
>	Iowa vs. Michigan

  Already talking Roses the first week in October?  Such confidence... :-)

  Doug
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Home field advantage... (was: what a game)
Keywords: Tech-NCSU, one second left
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:29:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Ahhh, BUT, doesn't the official time get kept on the field, the official 
scorekeeper?  You sometimes hear the refs say something like, "the clock should
read 13:51, please adjust the clock."  The scoreboard clock is not the official
game clock.  Now, if home field advantage was the timekeeper not wanting to 
get LYNCHED by the crowd, well, that WOULD BE home field advantage.  But, on
the matter of the clock alone, I think its kept on the field.
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND & polls
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:42:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep29.214247.3050
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep29.181453.16844@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>
>	After the most recent CNN poll where Penn State moved ahead of ND,
>I don't think that anyone can claim tht ND is given special favors in the
>polling system. They haven't lost to anyone this year, and you can all save
>your comments about the Michigan game, and they have still dropped 4 spots
>in this poll. You can say what you want about the competition thay have 
>beaten but PSU has exactly beaten any juggernauts either but yet they have
>continued to move up in the rankings. This is just another example of why
>some kind of playoff/computer scoring system is needed to really decide this
>thing.
>	The only way that ND will win another MNC is to go undefeated and 
>untied through a season. Even then my bet is that if there is another 
>undefeated team then ND will get the shaft.

What?  Since when is ECMB bigger than NDMB?

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: What everyone who missed the ND-Stanford game wants to know
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.194411.18297@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Was Rick Mirer really crying on the sidelines during the 4th quarter?
>
>GT

Didn't look like it to me.

Matt Shostak
Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas


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From: jr10847@meibm16.cen.uiuc.edu (Jonathan Lee Reeve)
Subject: Re: Gators are DONE!!!
Organization: CCSO College of Engineering Workstations
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.224855.2886@wkuvx1.bitnet>, hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	Looks like the Gators are through as far as the SEC
|> championship goes! too bad, NOT! 
|> 
|> Tennessee Vols 1992 SEC Champs!
|> 
|> Joey
|>  
|> hey joey, i think your precious vols are going to get ripped to
   shreds by the defense of the crimson tide, and just remember that
   next year it will be the gators beating the crap out of heart attack
   johnny's boy's in the swamp.

   GO GATORS........GO TIDE

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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: Danny Ford Back
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:57:41 GMT

ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:

>I just heard ex-Clemson coach Danny Ford was hired as an Assistant Offensive
>Coach, Consultant, by Arkansas.  What is THAT???  If your going to hire me 
>give me a big title!

WHo cares about titles?  We "hogs" are trying to find someone who knows how
to win again.

Hint to UA bigwigs:  Switzer is in Little Rock and is currently unemployed.

Roland


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>Thoughts expressed here are my own and not representative of NCR
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Buckeyes/Badgers!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:33:20 CDT

In article <1992Sep28.222520.20351@cis.ohio-state.edu> ellis@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (steven lawrence ellis) writes:
>Do any non-biased people out there believe that Wisconsin can beat The Ohio
>State University?  What is there record so far and who have they played?
>
>Also, If anyone is interested in a Buckeye season ticket, send me email.

Well, I'm somewhat biased, and I say "No way".  For one thing, TOSU will
not be overlooking them.  But then again, if TOSU plays like they did in
the first two games...
-- 

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Washington 17, USC 10
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:00:07 GMT

In article <0rcphhk@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:

>Yes, the offense didnt do very well.  Part of it was due to an excellent job
>by the $C defense...and part of it seemed to be play calling.  Washington
>really didnt open up the offense until late in the 4th quarter and then
>they had some success (might have scored if not for Napolean's fumble ).
>I wonder how much of Washington's offensive difficulties are due to
>losing their Offensive Coordinator?  

After viewing Gilbertson's totally unimaginative playcalling so far
this season (especially against Kansas) I find it hard to believe that
UW misses him...

>In any case,  I think the offense is
>still OK... with a little more time I think they can put it together.   
>Remember, last year they only scored 14 points against U$C with their
>supposedly more powerfull offense!

UW is great because of their defense, not their offense.  Put any other
Pac-10 defense on that team and you've got a decent but not great team.
UW's offense is good enough to go unbeaten again, but only because the
D is so ferocious.

>Well, the Bears be next!  Should also be a good game! 

I hope so, but I'm not getting my hopes up.  Cal's young QB, Dave Barr,
has yet to show poise under adversity.  I hope I'm wrong but I can see
UW doing a major carve-and-peel operation on them.

>And now the Arizona
>game is looking interesting as well!!  The Pac10 is NOT going to be the
>cakewalk many people keep blabbing about!

Indeed.  I wonder if perhaps the Pac 10 is about as strong as it's ever
been.  First you've got UW.  Enough said.  Cal finished #7 last year,
and after that fiasco against Purdue, has recovered to look capable
of finishing around #11-15 or so.  All Stanford did was paste 33 big
ones on ND, in South Bend at that.  It would appear that the drugs are
wearing off at U$C (damn), UA came ever-so-close in Miami, and UCLA
has looked very sharp until they got buzzsawwed last night.

There is some serious talent on the Left Coast these days.  Cal's
team of today would have ripped through the Pac-10 of ten or twenty
years ago.  But the price of poker is up now, and U$C, Arizona, UCLA
and the Junior University all worry me.  (UW, on the other hand, doesn't
concern me in the slightest...)

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:20:42 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Football Player Shot

Amazingly enough, a prospective recruit who was visiting practice when
the player got shot said later that he still intends to sign w/ USC.


Go figure.


Jim Thomas
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Prediction:  Illinois@Minnesota
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:31:39 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

Loyal Gophers fan as I am, I was disheartened to hear that my Gophers played as
horridly as they did on Saturday (even though Marquel had a GREAT game--1 INT!!
Way to go Marquel, you're starting to throw to your own team now!!).  I really
think that the game on Saturday night should be a dandy.  Verduzco is a great
QB for the Illini, and the young Gophers' defense is going to have troubles.
Illinios will move the ball at will in the air unless the Gophers return to 
their Colorado game form.

On offense, I like what Wacker is doing, and Marquel Fleetwood is really 
responding well (340 yds. 2TD only 1INT), plus he is a constant threat to run
the ball.  If Illinois doesn't contain Marquel's legs like the Gophers have to
contain Verduzco's arm, the game is going to turn into a shootout.

Here's my prediction...

Illinois	38
Gophers		31

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

Go Gophers!!  Go Vikings!!  Go Oles!!
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: WeekenD WacK
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:00:15 GMT


(in no particular order)

		conf	o all
		W L	W L T
Hawaii :-)      2 0     3 0
S.D. St.	2 0     2 1 1
bYu		1 2     2 3
Fresno		1 0	3 2
N.Mex.		0 2 	1 4
Wyo		0 1 	2 3
Utah		1 0 	3 1
ColoSt		0 2 	1 4 
Air F.		3 1	4 1
TeX ElP		0 4	0 4

recent results

AF 28 TexElp 22
utah 33 colost 29
Fresno st 48  louisana tech 14
SD st 49 NMEX 21
san jose st 26 wyo 24
bYu 30 Utah st 9



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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Oct04.175738.6048@CS.ORST.EDU> <5811@news.duke.edu>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:22:59 GMT

In article <5811@news.duke.edu> ds4@soc15.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:

   Two, the Miami - FSU game should not have come down to a field goal.  The all ACC
   officiating crew called a very one sided game in FSU's favor.  Even from the
   beginning kick-off I could of sworn that an FSU player clipped a Miami defender
   which resulted in the touchdown return.  The foul was not called.  After that, I
   began taping the game.  There were many calls such as the one above which had a
   big impact on the game in FSU's favor.  For instance, the FSU backs were
   pass interfering, and sometimes even decked the Miami receivers.  FSU was not
   penalized once for this.  Another time the Miami punter was decked and no call,
   however when the FSU punter had his standing foot (not leg) touched, a flag
   was thrown.  The biggest call, which was more of a innocent mistake on the part


You know, being an incessant whiner doesn't look good when you lose.  It
looks even worse when you win.

   of the ref, was the call on the safety/touchdown.  As the announcers pointed
   out, if the offense makes an illegal forward pass in the inzone, the other team
   has the option of accepting the penalty, or declining it, and taking the result
   of the forward pass which would mean a touchdown for the Canes.  The canes were
   not given a choice. 

The defense has the choice of accepting the penalty, thus getting the saftey,
or not accepting the penalty thus getting the incomplete pass.  Thats the
choice.  The announcers are idiots who are generally incapable of
interpreting the rule book.  The Canes never were entitled to a choice of
taking a touchdown.  The *choice* comes in because an offensive penalty in
the endzone (why do you continue to call it inzone?) gives the offended team
the choice of taking the safety or not. 

   P.S. - Remember that hit that a Miami LB, which I think was Barrow, gave
   Tamirick(or however you spell that name?!?!?) the king of all hits, which
   resulted in him dropping the ball and an incomplete pass was called.....that
   was a fumble.  Another bad call.

Wrong.  His feet never touched the ground before the ball was seperated from
him.  Saw it several times, and it was ver clear.

You are insufferable whining in victory.  How bad is it going to get when
your team loses?

Bill
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Freshman QB's....
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:23:58 CDT
Keywords: any impact players...

In article <ld3741INN18e@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>WHen was the last TRUE frosh to play QB at a major college & play well ?
>Colorado's Koy Detmer may qualify,  but not yet.  Zeier, QB from GA, 
>doesn't count,  he started school in the spring before his freshman year
>& played in spring practice.  That is like a redshirt. 

When Eric Hunter started at Purdue as a freshman, he came out on fire.  He
almost brought back Purdue from a 28-0 deficit to Michigan State, and the
next week, he passed for a then-record performance (300-some yards) at
Michigan.  He ended up Big-10 Frosh of the year, and had a lot of people's
hopes up.  Many scouts had him very high on the list of college QB's.

Since then, he's pretty much been a disappointment.
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