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From: sc@sup.stollmann.de (Wilfried Schwartz)
Subject: monochrome VGA monitor and virtual consoles
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:59:26 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany

Hi,

yesterday I installed Coherent 4.0.1 on my machine at home (clone 486/33,
Adaptec 1542B, Speedstar+ VGA).  Except some minor problems of cross-linked
files after installation (which was easy to repair), everything is fine
(so far ;-) ).

Well, there is one major problem I couldn't resolve:  I had no chance to get
virtual consoles.  If I answered the question about virtual consoles during
installation with yes (and any combination of color and mono devices) the
boot-output vanishes after the boot-loader loaded the kernel (and the
kernel initialization starts).  I can switch between virtual consoles
(the output already written to the screen is visible only on one of these),
but I can't see any output (those are really virtual consoles! :-) ).
So now I don't use vitual consoles :-(( but output is visible!.

Because I made a similar experience installing a beta version of a micro-
kernel based UNIX system here at the company, I think the problem might
be a difference in control of a VGA card connected to a color or a mono-
chrome monitor (I' m using a monochrome monitor - and I like to have this clear
and sharp 70Hz picture and some larger windows with black on white text
(It would be great to have an XWindows-version for Coherent!)).

Has someone had the same problem?  Is there something I missed reading the
manual?  Can someone tell me how I could get virtual consoles?  But please
don't tell me to buy a color monitor or to change the monitor-Id-pins of
the VGA connector, this is not a good idea (except you give me at least 2000$
to buy a halfway decent monitor).

advTHANKSance for any ideas and help,

					Wilfried Schwartz

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From: albani@cadlab.sublink.org (Lanfranco Albani)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 4.0, Low level IO and problems...
Date: 24 Aug 92 23:17:48 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:

:: Well, if one is really desparate, one could always use a debugger or
:: patch utility on /dev/at[01][a-dx] in single user mode, but why?  All
:: common filesystem errors are fixable from fsck.  Lost files (those
:: that are allocated but have no name/parent are assigned to
:: /lost+found.  If it's not there, you can't recover it.
:
:Also see dcheck, icheck and clri. It's not hard to write an I-node
:editor, but playing around with tools like this is very dangerous.

No one has sources for a "FSDB"?

Bye, Lanfranco

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From: pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Installing Elm (a problem) on Coh 4.0
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:35:09 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.,Information Services

In article <92082919337@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>
>Looks like the distribution from MWCBBS isn't complete. However, to
>install elm under Coherent 4.0 you don't need config.h.SH because
>the Configure script doesn't run under Coherent's sh.

Hate to disagree - the only thing that doesn't work is the Manifest test.
The script runs - (I may have renamed ksh to sh to do it).  The doggone
Bourne shell in Coherent is slightly brain-dead.  However it's just
as brain dead in BSD386.

A friend had similar problems there - fixed it by porting the ATT Korn shell.
(Nice to work porting unix  in a shop with the ATT source license for all the 
tools...) wish I had them.

Bill

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pershing@teal.csn.org (Paul Pershing)
Subject: Re: anybody care to share thier opinions on the new
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:51:44 GMT

bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes:

>>: Well, I think it is time that us "loyalists" start exercising our
>>: money back guarantee until such time as the product is stable.  

>gee can i send aix 3.2 back? and maybe the rs6000/550 with 384mb
>of main and 10gb of hd. gee the tools barf on it every time i get a new
>os. can i get my $$ back. gee there sb ***no*** bugs anywhere
>no matter what i do.
>hey. show me 1, yes 1 os on any, yes any machine which does not have
>any, any bugs, hickups, whatever during a major upgrade. just 1 now thats all
>i ask. if you can i will publicly appologize to all persons here.
>bill pociengel
>--
You are absolutely right. Hard to believe _anyone_ (yeah, right) would 
complain at at $99 product that runs with no more barfs than lemmee see,
oh, how about ESIX, Interactive, Aix, etc., etc., etc. 
C'mon folks! Give MWC some credit! They are selling you a wonderful OS that
is - like ANY unix - in development but runs quite well, for a less than
the price of the SVR4 docs! Hell, the book that comes w/Coh 4.0 is worth
$99!


>bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
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From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Now this is a real cc bug
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:27
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein MD) writes:
> 
> > Now where's my sixpack?
> 
> Aww, stop picking on MWC.

Come on, where did I pick on MWC?  I just informed the net as well as MWC
via an article about a bug.  You don't want to improve an already good work?

--ralf

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      Nature against man.  God against nature.  Nature against God.
                         Very funny religion!"
                           (Dai T. Suzuki)
From: RIVON@vmtecslp.bitnet (RobertoIvon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Information
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:41:35 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


  I'm interested in buying a copy of Coherent, (as a matter of fact I
will buy it, for $99 what the heck!) and I would like to know:


  1.- Compilers which run under coherent (Pascal, C++, Ada, Modula-2)

  2.- Applications (worksheets, 4GL's, CASE)

  3.- Compatibility with other Unixes (SCO, AIX, UX, ...)

  Any information will be very helpful

  Thanks in advance,

  Roberto.
From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent installed on nonsupported Toshiba 5200
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:14:47 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

> Well, just some observations from an absolute beginner to UNIX and Coherent
> on a machine that MWC said Coherent did not support during 3.x. If this has
> changed, I urge MWC to mention that 4.x now runs on Toshiba5200 series and
> officially add it to the list. Even if they do not, for $100 and their
> no-questions-asked return policy I went through previously, it is worth a try
> on your Toshiba386 and higher series.
>

It all began with a reviewer in England. He couldn't install 3.0.0 and
after several calls, we learned from Toshiba that there some something
non-AT compliant in the computer (it's been a while, so I don't recall
exactly what it was). Since then, we have run into other cases where
Toshiba has done something proprietary in their portable computers,
hence we have actively advised against them. Any semblance of compatibility
with them is strictly coincidental, but also very welcome. We have not
had any of their portables to test 4.0 with ourselves, so if there are
more Toshiba portable users out there (running Coh. on them of course),
we'd like to know.

> I'll expect my heavily discounted COHware in the mail by next week Bob
 <grins>.

The disks have gone out for production, so you may see it on time for a change.
>
>                                                 H. Ray Thornton

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs, porting
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:22:14 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo) writes:
[...]
: It was mentioned by someone (Udo Munk?) that you'd need 30 MB just to compile
: GCC.  I'd guess that most people don't even have that much space available.
[...]
At work I've take a look at gcc 2.2.2 on a large system. It comes as a
6.2MB compressed tar archive. If you untar it you get a directory with 18MB
of sources and documentation. I've tried to delete all stuff which isn't
needed to port it to 4.0, but there remains 10MB. Also I'm not sure if
gcc works with the MWC 386 as, or if gas (the GNU assembler) also is
needed. Also one want to have gdb (GNU source code debugger), glibc,
object library for g++ and so on. It really would be a great idea
to distribute all this as binarys ready to run under Coherent 4.0
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From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Re: Coherent 4.0.1; some bad things
Organization: IIT--Institute of Increasing Tuition.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 06:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.013521.3370@ksmith.uucp> keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>
>You need a Magitronic 486/33 with OPTI chipset.  Barfs especially bad
>with an Adaptec Controller.  Again All 386's I've tested have been fine.
>I have access to 3 "DIFFERENT" 486/33's here but all are actually the
>same motherboard with different names stamped on them.

Hmmmmm.   I recently upgraded to an inexpensive 486/33 with the OPTI chipset.
The motherboard is from a company called Exclusive.  Works great with
COHERENT 4.0.1.

Pred Bundalo
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Modem control under Coherent
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:22:51 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper) writes:
: Hi,
: 
: Since installing version 4.0.1, I've had the desire to either write or
: acquire a terminal program for Coherent that will offer me some of the
: features that I use the most in Telemate (which I currently use under DOS).

There are two such programs available for Coherent 4.0. The first is
xc3.3, the secound is minicom 1.32 which comes closer to Telemate.
Both should be available on MWCBBS and I would suggest to take a look
at these programs before you waste your time with writing another
one from scratch.

: Investigating the situation more closely, I discovered that the device
: driver asy is what I need to control.

Right.

: I gather that the ioctl interface is what I need to use. Also, it seems that
: the header termio.h plays a part in this, but I could be mistaken.

Also right.

: The books I've read indicate that the unix version 7 method of device
: interface was outlined in <sgtty.h>, but the System V method is outlined in
: <termio.h>. Since Coherent uses the latter, is it safe to say that Coherent
: is actually closer to System V than it is to version 7?

If you are talking about Coherent 4.0 yes. Under 3.x the termio stuff
is available but doesn't work.

: I'd like to figure out how to read and write characters from the modem which
: is under control of the asy device driver. Any help in this is appreciated.

Take a look at the both available programs and you'll see how it works.
Maybe they fit your needings and you don't have to write your own.
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From: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org (Terry Bell N8HSP)
Reply-To: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: WMail on Coh 4.0.1
Keywords: wmail,compile,help
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:29:2 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: N8HSP Amateur Radio

I confess a 'C' programmer I am NOT!!! In part why I purchased COH.
If my memory serves me I was able to successfully compile WMAIL on
my version 3 simply by invoking 'make'. Well now that I have version
4.0.1 I get the following error message when running 'make'. I did
not edit any files. Perhaps some kind soul can tell me where I am
going wrong.

files are located in /u/wmail directory.

ld: the following symbols are undefined
ld: file 'wmain.o': symbol 'getwd'
ld: pass 1, 1 error
make: exited with status 256

Thanks in advance!
Toodles, Terry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kranitz@mr.med.ge.com (Wes Kranitz 4-6857 MRCE)
Subject: Re: libndir
Organization: Nowhere
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:42:54 GMT

Yes, there are some bugs in the directory functions. I posted some fixes here
a while back that seemed to strighten out some of the problems. Maybe MWC made
similar fixes before adding them. 

Wes
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
Subject: Re: News System for Coherent.
Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:02:54 GMT

Karl Sarnow (karl@dadoka.h.ni.schule.de) wrote:
: 1) Installation of libndir.a

Coherent 4.0 already contains the libndir-functions (opendir, readdir and
so on) so you no longer need this stuff. 

: 2) Installation of WNEWS.

WNEWS was the first program in my "Coherent career" that I tried to port
so don't blame me if the sh-script fails :-))

Nevertheless needs WNEWS (like GNEWS) some fixes before it works with 4.0.
Also there are two bugs (at least) when using WNEWS with Coherent.


: 3) Installation of TIN.

TIN already has an installation script. It's nothing more that cp'ing it to
/usr/local/bin and setting permissions.

NEVERTHELESS:

Assume one has to write each time an extra installation script after he ports
a program. Then you can be sure that only very few guys will ever give their
ports to the public. The programs are in most cases without installation 
script even in their original posted form.

ALSO: A NEWS-System is always very difficult to install. When I first got
CNEWS for 386/ix a friend came over and installed and configured my news
system. Even a good script cannot solve all problems that may occur.


Cheers,

Joachim


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:47:59 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

bob@mwc.com writes:

> If a general consensus can be reached in comp.os.coherent about what the
> prefered news package combo is, or perhaps a couple of prefered news
> configurations, it would hopefully be a simple matter to create some
> diskettes users can install with the /etc/install command to automatically
> place binaries and shell scripts in proper directories with appropriate
> permissions and perhaps some minimal default configuration to
> read and reply to comp.os.coherent. Downloadable images of the
> diskettes can be made available on mwcbbs and other sites for people
> to uncompress and dd or cpdir (depending on how the images are made
> available) the image to a floppy diskette.

I'll echo the other people who've agreed that this is a great idea. I think
the system should just be Coherent 286 executables, with perhaps tin and/or
nn if they'll fit on a single disk. (or, if the system works well, a different
"Coherent 386" news software disk could be thrown together).

As far as what software, I'd recommend the current Coherent-ported release of
C News, in terms of robustness and reliability I've found it to be excellent.
We could possibily consider the recent C News performance release if
someone's ported it to 3.2. Most of it works fine, we'd just need to fine
tune some of the scripts to fix some nagging incompatibilities (I won't call
them bugs, Geoff Collyer might be reading this and they're not C News'
fault). I've been running C News happily for some months now, and I'll help
out on any work needed to get scripts working reliably.

For a newsreader, I'd recommend rn, again because it works reliably on
Coherent 3.x. And again we'd need to put in a bit of work fixing some of the
scripts.

> Such an undertaking should actually be no more than building binaries,
> testing them and placing them in an installable fashion onto floppy
> disks, which shouldn't be more than a couple days of work.

Except that a lot of the system info tends to be compiled in rather than read
from files at run time (eg uucp and domain names). I haven't looked at the
source in enough detail with either C News or rn to determine how much of a
problem this will be.

								- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pershing@teal.csn.org (Paul Pershing)
Subject: Re: Keyboards and 4.0
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:39:55 GMT

fanelli@gagme (michael fanelli) writes:

>A rep from Mark Williams called me and explained the keyboard problem. So
>here's an answer to my own question:

>	Coherent needs a keyboard that sends a signal when the key is 
>released. Not all keyboards do this. Without this feature, reinstall
>and say NO to virtual consoles and choose the kb mapping. I'll stick
>with this lousy Keytronics until I can afford another keyboard!

>			mwf

Again, I hope I'm not being redundant, but I have _no_ problems with the
virtual consoles (well, heh, I _do_ have to hit something like [CTRL]-\
NUMLOCK (or break or something over there, I forget! But, it _does work!),
but it is when I get in meMACS or vi that I really go nuts. Is this the
same problem?
Solutions welcome, solicited and appreciated.

Paul Pershing

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau)
Subject: kudos to the support and development teams at MWC!!
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 05:07:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada


A big thank-you to the guys at mwc!!  I  mailed mwc last Tuesday about
a duplicate disk #2 in my Coh 4.0.1 set.  I got it today!!   Thanks for
the fast service!  

Installation went without a hitch..  virtual consoles also work great on
my system!

I installed my own version of smail (necessary for the experimental internet
gateway I'm connected on) and wmail (this needed a few mods..  obviously
there are some subtle differences in Coh 4.0.1 terminal output handling
vs Coh 3.2.x..  Basically, the mods were:  Change all the terminal modes
from RAW to RAWIN, change the getwd(buffer, size) to getcwd(buffer) and
delete the mkdir() function in wmmain.c)- worked great..  actually seems
to work with fewer problems than I encountered in Coh 3.2.x.

My custom news software needed an almost complete rewrite...  Does anyone know
why Coh 4.0.1 I/O functions grok on things like:

		< assume things are declared and everything works >
		....
 		fp1=stdin;
		fp2=popen("/usr/bin/zcat", "w");

		fgets(buff, BUFSIZ, fp1);
		fputs(buff, fp2);

		while((c=fgetc(fp1) != EOF) {
				fputc(c,fp2);
		}

		....

Regardless of the input, the output to zcat is a bunch of ctrl-A's..  
Strange...  I didn't look too much further into this, but I rewrote
most of that stuff with the getchar() and putc() macros..  then it worked..
Have absolutely no idea why..  maybe someone out there can shed some light
on it..

Anyways, with the new Coh 4.0.1 buffer caches, my software will process a
50K compressed (~100K uncompressed) news batch in just under 30 seconds...
Amazing!!  Consider that under Coh 3.2.X, this would have taken around 1.5
to 2 minutes!!!

My last piece of software installed today was micro-gnu emacs (mg)...  It
compiled the first time with no errors with the system V settings..  The
dired routines didn't work at first (Coherent's 'ls -al' output is different
than sysv and bsd)..  a little minor hacking got it all working...  The
stripped binary is 68K long..  only about 10K larger than the microemacs
binary that came with Coh 4.0.1!!


All in all, I'm VERY pleased with Coh 4.0.1!!  Congrats to everyone on the
development team at MWC for a fine job!!

c4

P.S.-  Just remembered- support guys- there's a file "reg.h" missing from the
/usr/include/sys directory- the file sys/timeout.h tries to include it..
I don't think this warrants a disk mailing, so could you just email me the
file??  Thanks

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