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Subject:      Handicap Digest # 2978

                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2978

                          Friday, October 16, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                          Re: use of advanced tech
                              Re: Wheel Chairs
                         Re: Rights of the disabled?
                                  ADVOCATE
                             Spinal Cord Society
                       Re: Jerry's Orphans Needs You!
                            Educational resources
                                SHHH NEWS....
                                  4 wheeler
                            Braille N Speak Comp
                                DecTalk Songs
                              Re: caps problem


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Subject: Re: use of advanced tech
From: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Pandora Nigh)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/554.0 - Analytical Engine B, Willoughby OH


 -=> Quoting Ambrose Moore to Pandora Nigh <=-

AM> --From the Voice of Ambrose Moore-- Hello Pandora!

Hi Ambrose, my main point of contention with the guy that
originally asked was that to use sign language read by glove
movement was really impractical.If you have the dexterity for
signing you don't have a problem typing. Some signs also use two
hands. Gets real exspensive. But I do think for some people with
hand impairment it could be great. You did bring up some of the
newer great applications that could be helpful.

 AM>
 AM> Hmmm. I agree that the initial costs of implementing such technology
 AM> would be staggering, but I believe that the use of virtual reality in
 AM> accessing a computer, [via the gloves], is an excellant one.  I know
 AM> at present where v.r. is used to design housing for the disabled.  And
 AM> I think that, [IMHO], technology is leaning towards further
 AM> applications of v.r. in helping the disabled lead a more indepedent
 AM> role in society through these sorts of ideas.
 AM> I think that perhaps using a glove with a stick *is* cheaper. But, co

    When using the glove I don't think you'd need a stick with it.

 AM> nsider this. When I mentioned to a prospective employer that I knew
 AM> how to use a computer, and its different applications, [WordPerfect,
 AM> Windows, etc.], he was impressed and made an appt. to see me at my
 AM> apt. [He knew I was quad].  We chatted for a while, and he said that I
 AM> had good experience, education, etc. and wanted to see my computer
 AM> skills on my own system.  On goes the splint, and stick to access the
 AM> keyboard. "Oh!  I didn't know you accessed the computer that way..."
 AM> End of interview, gone any hopes of employment.
 AM> I know, I know, I should have told him in the first place.

Well, under ADA you didn't have to tell him specifically how you
accessed the computer, just that you could. I think the guy maybe
was just intrested in seeing how " a quad" could do it, more than
in hiring. It really doesn't matter how you do for a job as long as
you can do it and get the work done.

 AM> To me using a stick, just doesn't cut it.  However, the voice
 AM> activation device I'm using now, [Voicetype], seems to give me a bit
 AM> of an edge. What I guess I'm trying to say is that high-tech
 AM> equipment, [such v.r., voice recogntion devices, etc.] can and should
 AM> be used whenever and however possible for someone with a disability,
 AM> with the cost being a secondary factor.  Perhaps the ideology of a lot
 AM> of employers, "How much is it going to cost me?", needs to be
 AM> re-examined.   [Ooops! Sounds like I'm straying off topic!] [g]

Right now I'm in a funny position, I force my finger to type as
much as I can, but that's not for overly long. I have a lot of
typing to do, so for me putting on the device holders and going to
stick becomes a real relief. But like you I'd rather have a voice
input system. I'm familiar with Dragon Dictate and Intro Voice, but
havent heard about Voicetype. Can you give me some info on it. My
problem is cost. It's not just employers that carry on about cost,
insurance companies, and charitable organizations also.

In major corporations I can't see that the cost of a voice input
system would be a real hardship. I find the attitude of insurance
companies and Medicare more puzzeling. They acknowledge your
limitations and disorder, and will do somethings to help you but
other aids they just totally refuse. Some of the things that they
split on covering really amazes me. For instance if you need a
heavy specialty wheelchair, they cover it. But you have to have a
modified van and a lift for transportation and they don't cover
that. To me, it's like why pay for the chair if I can't get out of
the house or have to have another chair and an attendant to get to
the doctors or any place else. This attitude sure doesn't leave
room open for the payment of such things as voice activated
computer equiptment.I think that the basic problem is that everyone
wants to pass the buck,and they all hope that they won't get
stuck.  The employer hopes that an agency or your insurance will
pick up the tab, insurance beleives that employers and agencies
will and should pick up the tab, agencies beleive the others should
and a few fools even beleive that the disabled can afford all
of the adaptable devices we need to function comfortably and
more Efficiently.

I'm curious about one thing though,have you called that guy from
the interview back and told him that you have a voice input system
now. I'd love to know what his response would be.

 AM> The use of Virtual Reality, [in regards to its uses for the disabled],
 AM> has become a recent fascination with me.  Did you know that California
 AM> State University is having a Symposium on "Virtual Reality and
 AM> Disability" on June 17-18, of next year?  I'd looove to go, but I'm
 AM> afraid my present economic and demographic position makes it
 AM> impossible. Ah well, you never know! [g]

   Yes I'd heard, but I'm in the same position as you,noooo money.

 AM> Regards,
 AM> From the Golf, Whiskey, November,
 AM> Ambrose Moor

Does this mean that your another one of the hams on the echo?  Well
it's been great chatting with you and I'll talk to you again. Have
to put some new erasers on these pencils, wore them down.

                                                Pandora

... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic

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Subject: Re: Wheel Chairs
From: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Pandora Nigh)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/554.0 - Analytical Engine B, Willoughby OH


 -=> Quoting Robert Schoenfeld to Pandora Nigh <=-

       Hi Bob,
 RS> Watch out for another defect of computer controlled wheel
 RS> chairs, They tend to misbehave when around two way radio devices such
 RS> as cellular phones, cbs, etc. they take off in the most unusual
 RS> directions Bob

Oh, loverly. But it does make sense. So far haven't run into that
problem, but my guy is a ham operator and my chair give him
interferance on 5.14 mgh band I just love it. When he's spending
all night in the basement with his rig and I get sick and tired of
that, all I have to do is just keep going back and forth across the
living room to break up his radio transmittions. Get's him upstairs
everytime.

 RS> PS too bad they dont have lemon laws for wheel chairs as a similar
 RS> problem was had by a friend of mine B

I hope your friend made out all right with that problem and they
have it fixed. You're right they really should have lemon laws
covering them. All they do is have the warrenty on your chair, so
they take it back fix it, take it back fix it and you end up
forever on and off without a chair. Mine is warrented for two years
and at this rate of failure, I'm really worried about what's going
to happen in two years.  My insurance doesn't pay for the repairs,
but they will pay for batteries every year. Great, maybe I can use
that, open a battery store and get the money for repairs. I have
taken off all of the manufactuors decals, and my guy wants to put
lemon stickers all over it.

Thanks for telling me about the possibility of interference comming
my way. I hadn't thought about that, now I'll keep that in mind as
things go bad and see if there is a correlation.

                                          Pandora

... Error Reading Fixeddisk. Use (H)ammer (P)istol (N)uke?

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Subject: Re: Rights of the disabled?
From: Ann.Lemke@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Lemke)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


Hello Tim,

Without more specific information, it would be impossible to determine
whether you are being descriminated against.  You may want to contact
the nearest regional office of the Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission (Federal).  Also, your state may have a Human Rights
Commission to which you can appeal for information.  I have a question,
because this isn't clear from your post: Is your job productivity what
you would like it to be and at a level commensurate with your abilities,
or are there obstacles in your job situation preventing you from doing
your best?  If this is at all an issue, it is likely that have a
situation that requires further investigation.  You may also want to
contact your local Vocational Rehabilitation office fur guidance and
suggestions, even though as an employed person you may or may not
qualify officially for their assistance.
Good luck.

Ann

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Subject: ADVOCATE
From: Katie.K@f583.n520.z1.fidonet.org (Katie K)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:520/583


 hi everyone,

i'm new here and would appreciate your input; i am orginizing a
grass roots advocacy group here in arkansas,and would love to hear
any ideas or advice from all of you

   thanks alot
       katie

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Subject: Spinal Cord Society
From: Jocelyn.Lovell@f416.n250.z1.fidonet.org (Jocelyn Lovell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:250/416 - EGS/Philo, Toronto ON


Allan:
  Since my last note I've investigated the Spinal Cord Society extensively,
and that genetic engineering research is definitely going on.  I have
spoken to other quads & paras (I'm am a c5/6 quad myself) and they have
heard inkings of it here and there.
  A look back at some of the SCS research projects, computerized walking
and adult mammalian spinal cord regeneration, it seems they've hit on
something here.  Genetic engineering is a real revolution now.  This one
was thought of years ago but, the tools and knowledge needed to manipulate
human genes did not exist.
  It's like this:  Acute injuries to the spinal cord have been shown to
regenerate with help (electrical stimulation, steroids etc.) but this is
not so with the chronic, older injury.  It is well known that the resulting
scar left by injury is the barrier to regrowth of axons.  The molecule
responsible for bonding the scar together has been identified and an
injectable serum, to break down its adhesive properties, has been formulated.
It is believed once this scar barrier is disolved, regrowth may happen by
itself.
  Their address:
  Spinal Cord Society
  Wendell Road
  Fergus Falls, Minnesota
  USA, 56537
  fax    218-739-5262
  phone  218-739-5252

  They put out a monthy newsletter as well.

                                                         Jocelyn

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Subject: Re: Jerry's Orphans Needs You!
From: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Pandora Nigh)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/554.0 - Analytical Engine B, Willoughby OH


    Hi Gary,
    Well I've been called a lot of things before, but never Pandy. Usually my
name is contracted to just Pan. I did run into a girl with the same name that
used the nick name Panda. I'm more the impish type than bearish.
  Well I would go for asking, they may even put you on their mailer that tells
you about new research and stuff. Of course to try and get them to debate and
justify their telethon I don't hold a lot of hope for that since they have
already made their postion on that clear.
  One thing that I wonder about Jerry's Orphans is why the chose Jerry as the
solo scape goat? What about their parents that were more than willing to
exploit and have them exploited, if that's what they feel was done to them.
  Easter Seals sort puts pressure on local chapters to participate in their
telethon. It is done by making it mandantory to receive a percentage of the
money that is corporate donated to the National Easter Seal Society. Any local
money raised is always the locals money, but what is donated to Easter Seals
Nationaly is percentage funded back to those who take part in the National
telethon. Now this doesn't thrill me, but I do understand that the reason
National is doing this and that big corporate bucks come in is because they
get National coverage for their donations, this makes them more willing to put
out. It would be really great of they would just donate the money without
having to get PR promotion and commercials in return, but this just doesn't
happen. I will work with Easter Seals local telethon this year. By working and
participating, I can help assure locally how we (disAbled) are represented and
presented. Yes, there will also be children there. At this point in time the
bulk of the agencies money goes to clients that are children and it would be
very difficult to show the services with out having the participants in-
volved shown. I hope maybe some more people will be willing to work inside the
process to help change things. I don't expect children to be able to under-
stand exploitation, but I do hope that parents that allow their children to
participate will take more of an active and assertive role in the presentation
as well as other adults participating.
                                                      Pan

... Open mouth, insert foot, echo internationally.

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Subject: Educational resources
From: Arlette.Lefebvre@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Arlette Lefebvre)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


               EDUCATIONAL AND TECHNICAL RESOURCES UPDATE:
               ##########################################@

FROM: "Teaching Exceptional Students",
       Fall 1992.
       P. 62-63.

CLASSROOM VERSIONS OF BRAILLE AND PICTURE MENUS AVAILABLE FROM McDONALD'S:

Working with the American Foundation for the Blind and the American
Speech-Language-Hearing-Association, McDonald's has updated it
Braille and picture menus. The updated versions are available as
teaching tools for students with disabilities and also for
sensitizing other students to the challenges confronting people
with vision, hearing or speech impairments.

To order Braille and Picture menus, contact McDonald's Educational
Resource Center, at 1-800-627-7646.

--------------------------------------------------------------

TEACHING TOLERANCE... is a new magazine published by the Southern
Poverty Law Center to provide educators with ideas, resources, and
techniques for teaching tolerance in a diverse society. It is
published twice yearly and is free to teachers.  (At least in the
US.. may be different for Canada?)

For more information, contact:
           Teaching Tolerance,
           400 Washington ave.,
           Montgomery, AL 36104.

----------------------------------------------------------------

COMMUNITY SERVICE KIT AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE:

StarServe, a national non-prpfit organization created to expand
student community service, offers a free kit to help teachers use
community service activities to complement their classroom
curricula.  The kit includes a teacher's guide, posters, and
reproducible activity masters tailored to primary, elementary,
middle and high-school levels, as well as a Youth Directory which
lists regional and national organizations.  (Does anyone know if
there's a Canadian equivalent to this??)

StarServe is funded by the KRAFT GENERAL FOODS FOUNDATION.  (Tiens,
tiens...<grin>) Special Education Teachers report that the
materials are flexible and the projects enhance students'
self-esteem and give them a chance to be in charge.

Also available are a bibliography of books on the theme of helping
others and a video review that describes tapes produced by
organizations around the country involved in youth community
service. The videos are suitable for staff development and offer
practical help in starting a youth community service program.

Educators may request StarServe materials and technical assistance
by calling 1-800-888-8232, or by writing:

     StarServe,
     701 Santa Monica Boulevard, suite 220,
     Santa Monica, CA 90401.

PUBLICATIONS ABOUT DIGITAL HEARING AIDS:

The new "Hearing Aids and You" discusses the advantages and
disadvantages of digital and programmable hearing aids and factors
to consider when buying a hearing aid. "All About the New
Generation of Hearing Aids" discusses the digital computer
technology used in these aids.

These publications are available for $1 each (US funds) from:
       The National Information Center on Deafness,
       Gallaudet University,
       800 Florida Ave,N.E., Washington, DC 20002.

               A bientot, I hope...?

                                               Docteur Froggie.
===
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 * QNet3 * ADAnet: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416/650-5411

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Subject: SHHH NEWS....
From: SHEILA.FAVA@f740.n209.z1.fidonet.org (SHEILA FAVA)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:209/740 - Desert Dreams, Las Vegas NV


AMTRAK  has  a  Special  Services Department which can offer
assistance to  disABLED  travelers.   If  you  need  special
services,  call  at  least  seventy-two hours in advance and
arrangements will be made.

To reach AMTRAK call:  1-800-523-6590 (TDD)
                       1-800-872-7245 (Voice)

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THE  DEPARTMENT  OF VETERANS AFFAIRS has installed a nation-
wide toll-free TDD line for veterans with  a  hearing  loss.
Veterans  still  able  to use voice lines should continue to
call their local VA Regional Offices.

The TDD number is:  1-800-829-4833 (TDD Only)

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THE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT has  begun  a
visual   paging   service  for  Deaf  and  Hard  of  Hearing
travelers.  Persons wishing to give a message  to  a  person
with a hearing loss at the airport should call:

Baltimore - Washington International Communication Center
(301)859-7227 (TDD and Voice).  Your message will be  given
through a public address system AND a VISUAL paging system.

For  further  information  about  the  services available to
travelers with disABILITIES, please write:

Marketing and Development Office
BWI Airport
PO Bix 8766
Baltimore, MD 21240-0766
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The 1992 RTID RESOURCES CATALOG of educational products  for
people  with  a  hearing loss is available from the National
Technical Institute for the Deaf.   This  publication  lists
print   and   non-print   (computer,  multimedia,  video  or
workshop) materials in a variety of fields.

To request a catalog, please write:

RIT/NTID Division of Public Affairs
Lyndon Baines Johnson Building
PO Box 9887
Rochester, NY 14623-0887
   (716)475-6853 (TDD and Voice)
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Uploaded from the SHHH _Journal_ (Sept./Oct. 1992)
                    ---Sheila

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Subject: 4 wheeler
From: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Jeffrey Vandyke)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV


BG>Hi, I just got the name when I was using my Invacare Arrow XT with it's
BG>large balloon tires in unusual circumstances and terrain. Now
BG>
BG>It was fun checking out creek beds, gardens, and forest trails. Now I'm
BG>living in downtown Rochester so I don't get much chance at
BG>off-roading unless it's a construction site <grin> :)...
BG>
BG>How are things your way? I noticed your tag line, does that mean you
BG>tend to wander off the beaten path too?
  Every chance I get, but that means not lately. My present chair, I
wouldn't dare take anywhere off-road except level grass. It's just
not meant for it (E&J Lancer), but is great on the sidewalk.
  My best off-road chair I owned was an Ortopedia (from Germany) and
that chair HAS been up a 30 degree hill (maybe 35) with 2-3" rocks all
over the slope. The steering system finally gave up the ghost, and I
haven't gotten it repaired because of $$, having to send all parts
back to Germany for repair and a lack of knowlege of how Customs works
(it would have to go out thru customs to Germany, and back in thru
Customs on its way back to me). Another chair that was very tough
was my first electric: a Stevens Motor Chair. We bought that one
second hand, and I had it for at least 6 yrs. The tires never needed
replaced, and were so tough that I never got a flat, and many times
ran it over broken bottles on the sidewalk. The chair weighed 300 lbs
empty, had manual steering, and a built-in charger that always boiled
all the water out of the batteries. I once forded a stream in it:
the water was 6" deep, and I had to have someone pile rocks in a line
to get across. Reason you couldn't get it very deep in the water, was
the electronics were mounted low inside, and nothing was waterproofed.
It was a very old design. It used relays and resistors for speed
adjustment, so it didn't get too far on a charge.
  I HAVE taken both on forest trails. Sure beats staying on any
sidewalk, doesn't it? Did you ever have any trouble from your XT
from this usage?
                       -- Jeff

 * SLMR 2.1a * My other wheelchair is a Sherman tank >>>>>>>>

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Subject: Braille N Speak Comp
From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to Mike Freeman <24 Sep 92 08:00> Paul Migliorelli wrote:

 PM> I also wonder if Z-modem might be on
 PM> the way for the 640 as well.

Hi, Paul.

I have no inside info but I'd say it's a definite possibility.
It seems to me that I once heard Dean Blazie say he was thinking
of it but didn't know much about the Zmodem specs.  Come to think
of it, I've got documentation about the innards of Zmodem; maybe
I'll upload it to Braille Inn Speak Out.  That is, I'll do so if
I can ever get in; lately it seems not to answer or not be
talking to the modem I'm using; dunno which as I dial into it
from a dialout port on a mainframe so can't listen to the
goings-on on the phone line.

Regards,

Mike Freeman
... ** Loose bits sink chips. **
___ CRR QWK 1.40

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Subject: DecTalk Songs
From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to All <24 Sep 92 17:11> Paul Migliorelli wrote:

 PM> Hi all.  If any of you out there (other than Willy, and he
 PM> knows why; & I thank Willy once again), has any source info
 PM> for the availability of files to make DecTalk sing, I'd
 PM> really like to receive such data.  I'm trying to enhance
 PM> the collection as much as possible.  Thanks as always.

At the last NFB convention Clay Hutchinson (he of the Verbal
Operating System) attended (I believe that was Chicago, 1988), he
had a DECtalk singing "Do You Know the Way to San Jose" in the
key of C sharp.  Dunno whether you've got that one or if, given
his current attitude toward customer support, he'd provide you
with the song source but it'd be worth a try!

Regards,

Mike Freeman
... ** Courtroom, n.:  The place where justice is dispensed with. **
___ CRR QWK 1.40

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Subject: Re: caps problem
From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to William Wilson <25 Sep 92 22:43> John Sanfilippo wrote:

 JS> Nope, the bios aint it either. I've
 JS> had the problem on different
 JS> computers.  with different bios.

Hi, John.

I beg to differ with you.  What your experience shows is that the
problem may be common to more than one BIOS.

Mike Freeman
... ** Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. **
___ CRR QWK 1.40

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