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From: harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:07:31 GMT
Reply-To: harold@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1993Jan10.162809.17643@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:

>o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin) writes:

>>I am still figuring out what to buy for my planned trip down Highway 1 from
>>Seattle to ?.  Are there any recommendations regarding camping-equipment,
>>like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?), stoves
>>(which one would YOU recommend?  MSR WhisperLite, MSR X-GK II, or Coleman
>>Peak One?  money no object).

>Yes, I have some opinions on some of this stuff.  Buy the Therm-A-Rest
>"Campo Rest" model.  It is the 2 inch thick model.  The couple of extra
>ounces that it weighs over their other models is MORE than offset by
>the guaranteed good night's sleep that it offers.

>For the stove, get the Coleman Peak 1 Multi-Fuel model.  Use it with
>Coleman fuel here in the states, but it is easily converted to use
>kerosene when abroad.  My friends and I have been using them for about
>2 years now.  They have NEVER failed (or even been fussy) when the
>temperature gets down to 0 deg. F, or at 12,000 ft. above sea-level.
>Backpacker magazine rants and raves about it too.

I had to laugh when I read this because it is almost exactly the opposite
of what I was going to post!
I was going to recommend the light weight 3/4 length thermarest. 
I have used one for a long time now and love both the sleep I get, and
the convenience of it's weight and more importantly the way it packs down
so small. 
As regards sleep, I guess it all depends on what you are used to -- I have
quite a firm bed at home (a futon that is getting a bit past it's prime) so
I barely notice a difference on the thermarest.

For the stove -- I have an MSR Whisperlite Internationale (burns either 
white gas, or kero) that I have used for the past 3 or 4 years in all 
sorts of conditions without hassle.
I accept the Coleman argument that it doesn't simmer well, but it does
boil well! I like it's weight and again, the size that it packs down to.
Also, the fact that the pressure vessle is also the storage bottle means
that you have less handling of the fuel.

As far as I can see, with stoves, you are either in the MSR camp, or the
Coleman camp. Both are good, and both have devotees that will spend hours 
telling you how much better their stove is compared to the oppositions.

Both are reliable well made products -- you won't go wrong with either.

Sleeping bag? Well, I really like my down one! It is light, packs down 
small and is warm. Only thing with down is IT MUST BE DRY! Down maintains
only about 5% of its insulating ability when wet as opposed to some of the
synthetics which are up around 50% (figures off the top of my head from
something read a long time ago). 

Good luck!
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From: billh@bike.hampton.sgi.com (Bill Henderson)
Subject: Rides in the Blacksburg VA area
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Hampton, VA
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:55:33 GMT



Alright all you Hokies out there, I'm on the road alot (for business
unfortunately) and am at Tech fairly often. Anyone out there know of any
good rides between say 30 and 80 miles? I'm planning a nice long weekend
of Tour DuPont and training rides in May and need to get some ride info.

Thanks for any help,

Bill
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From: meinel@aero.org (Edward S. Meinel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Solvang/Santa Maria route question
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:57:07 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.aero.org

In article <1i7ugcINN2ci@network.ucsd.edu> wade@hobbes.ucsd.edu (Wade Blomgren) writes:
>I'm looking for information on the differences between the Solvang
>start/finish and Santa Maria start/finish courses for the 1993 Solvang/
>Santa Maria Century.  Do both courses share the same route for any
>distance?

Both courses are exactly the same, they just have different starting points.
The advantages of the Santa Maria start are:
   Less traffic (automobile and bicycle)
   Easier to get a hotel room
   Most of the big climbs are early in the course
   The final miles are downhill-to-flat

Good luck on the ride. Maybe I'll see you there.

Ed (meinel@aero.org)
'92 Trek 8700 daily driver
'90 Fisher Gemini


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From: sjlt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sean Lev-Tov)
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:36:20 GMT

In article <4tMB66VZex@LINK-NJD.zer.sub.org> o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org writes:
>I am still figuring out what to buy for my planned trip down Highway 1 from
>Seattle to ?.  Are there any recommendations regarding camping-equipment,
>like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?), stoves
>(which one would YOU recommend?  MSR WhisperLite, MSR X-GK II, or Coleman
>Peak One?  money no object).
>
>General advice, saftey, etc. ?

Be prepared for rain.  I went in August of '91 and got soaked.  Wide tires
are good because lots of bits of wood from the logging trucks are on the
shoulders (bike lanes) that can cause pinch flats.  Also, some people liked
to have wide tires to go onto the dirt when the shoulder is narrow and
the logging trucks pass (my experience is that they're good drivers and
always miss cyclists; just leave your "Save the spotted owl jersey at
home!  :-)  ).

Sean



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From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: Texas Centuries
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: tx
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:42:42 GMT

todd@cleo.abt.com (Todd Nix) writes:

>In <1993Jan8.015543.15419@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:
>>I have heard that Texas Bicyclist magazine, the one that has been 
>>given away for free at nearly all of the bike shops, has gone out
>>of business.  Is this true?  If so, how are you finding out the
>>"when and where" of all the centuries in Texas this year?

>I just called Bicycle Sports and they just got a stack of the January issue.

Well, I guess I should have been just a teensy-bit more patient!  I was
at the Bicycle Sport Shop south store yesterday afternoon, and there were
three copies of the Jan/Feb issue there!  It seemed a bit strange to see
ONLY 3 copies there where they usually have a LARGE stack of 'em.
I picked up one copy and flipped through it.  Apparently they now have
a new editor, Henry Kingman, and they now sound like they are going to
be around for a while.

What is kind of surprising is that on page 18 is a large ad stating:
Subscribe NOW! 1/2 OFF! for just $15.00   sign me up for the Texas
edition!  

name: _____________________
address: __________________
city: _____ state: ____ zip: ____
phone: ____________

Send a check for $15 to: Yellow Jersey Group   (just like Mark Chandler said)
                         490 2nd Street  #304
                         San Francisco, CA 94107

This is surprising simply because this is the only place in the entire
issue that mentions that it may not be for free anymore. Interesting!

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:44:45 EST
From: <MRS9@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: PSU to Allentown

I have ridden from PSU to Wilkes-Barre and it seems that the best
route to Allentown would share much of the same path.  I have explored
more southerly routes and they don't exist.  Remember that your
crossing the ridge and valleys of central Pa.
The route I took starts with the backroad from PSU to Centre Hall, I
believe this is called Linden Hall road.  At Pa rte 144 in Centre Hall
this road turns into route 192.  Follow this road all the way to Lewisburg.
This is a beautiful ride of about 40 miles.  The alternative road
(route 45) is more heavily travelled.  Pick up route 45 in
Lewisburg and follow it until you get to the "T" at route 147, make a right
ind follow this into Danville.

My reccollection gets a little hazy at this point, but I did cross the river
and I believe there are backroads available to Hazelton.

For this last section and the section from Hazelton to Allentown, the yellow
Pennsylvania Gazetter map book is a must refernce.  If you can fill in
the last sections of this trip with quiet roads it should be a nice
ride all the way, albeit a little hilly at the end.
From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: RFC: USENET Guide to SF Bay Area Mountain Bike Trails
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:19:14 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: crash.wpd.sgi.com

You're off to a good start...  I'll try and put some stuff together for
your list.  Until then, a note on the Soquel Forest Trails:

The Krebbs map does not contain all the trails in this area.  There are 
actually 3 main trails that feed onto the main road (Soquel Forest Road).  
These trails are Corral Trail (steep singletrack at top, mostly nasty 
fireroad), Sulphur Springs Trail (mostly technical singletrack, about 2 miles)
and Tractor Trail (very fast and fun doubletrack).  All of these trails are 
accessed by the Ridge Trail (extremely fun singletrack).  Detailed trail
maps are available at the trail head (used to be).

This area is NOT for beginners.  You will get hurt....  Also, the Krebbs map
says you can climb out of the Soquel Forest to the NE onto Comstock Mill Road.
This can be done, but you might be chased by irate residents who claim that
it's a private road (a dubious claim).  So, pedal fast....
From: marcus@westminster.ac.uk (Marcus Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Off Roading in Spain
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:18:26 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster

Some friends and I would like to take a mountain-biking vacation in Spain.

I've been to Spain several times and stayed in Barcelona, Madrid and Sevilla as
well as smaller places like Cuenca and Aracena.

Are there any Spanish readers who could advise a good region to stay? We want
to go out for day rides rather than off-road touring. We're strict hardcore
off-roaders so no tarmac! We'll hire a car if needed.

Muchos gracias amigos!

Marcus Harvey, University of Westminster IRS
JANET: marcus@uk.ac.westminster
INTERNET: marcus%westminster.ac.uk@ukacrl

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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:19:17 GMT

> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:
>> o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin) writes:

>>I am still figuring out what to buy for my planned trip down Highway 1 from
>>Seattle to ?.  Are there any recommendations regarding camping-equipment,
>>like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?),

>Yes, I have some opinions on some of this stuff.  Buy the Therm-A-Rest
>"Campo Rest" model.  It is the 2 inch thick model.  The couple of extra
>ounces that it weighs over their other models is MORE than offset by
>the guaranteed good night's sleep that it offers.

When I rode Seattle to San Francisco I used a Therm-a-Rest AND a 1" foam
pad (covered with nylon on one side and cotton/synthetic on the other).
I also brought along a down pillow (it compacts pretty well).  I'll never
tour without that pillow.

For Seattle to San Francisco you hardly even need a stove.

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From: bgoffe@seq.uncwil.edu (Bill Goffe)
Subject: Re: Largest number of cyclists in a ride
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:54:29 GMT

etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif) writes:

>In article 726736352@cc.und.ac.za, jackson@cc.und.ac.za (Clive Jackson) writes:
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I'll be taking part in the Argus Cycle Tour in Cape Town, South Africa in 
>>March this year. The cut off for the maximum number of cyclists is 17500. I 
>>was wondering how this compares with similar mass rides in other countries.
>>I would be grateful for any replies.

>"Vaetternrundan", the tour around Vaettern, Sweden's second largest
>lake cuts off at 16100 participants. Given the "normal" frequency of
>drop-outs, just under 13000 tend to show up at start. Due to the
>"rundans" length of just over 300 km (186 miles), it's argued that this
>makes it the world's largest cycling event (a total of just under 4
>million person-kilometers) while the "Tour de l'Ile" of Montreal,
>Canada which last year brought 46300 participants to start is "only" 76
>km and thus totals 3.5 million person-kilometers.

[material deleted]

How about RAGBRAI (Register's Annual Greater Bike Ride Across Iowa)?
Last year it was 497 miles (third or fourth longest of the 20 held so
far) and while 7,500 were officially enrolled, many more actually go.    
The first day, there was an estimated 14,000 or so and in Des Moines
(about halfway), someone counted a bit more than 13,000 riders (they counted
for most of the day - I still wonder how that person went to the bathroom).
Say that 11,000 did the whole thing, and you get 8.8 million person-
kilometers.

Bill Goffe
bgoffe@seq.uncwil.edu
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From: duque@wk117.nas.nasa.gov (Earl P. N. Duque)
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:40:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211917.5700@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> For Seattle to San Francisco you hardly even need a stove.
|> 

Well I don't know about that.  The route along the coast can get cold and
a nice hot camp meal really did hit the spot.  I fondly remember one
meal.  Along the Hood canal there's numerous ma and pa smoked fish
and shell fish shops.  Well on my way to Potlatch State Park, I picked
up 2 pounds of clams, a hunk of smoked salmon and two bottles of
Oly beer.  I had a bag of brown rice and some blue lake green beans
left over from the nite before.  Well, when I got into camp I
fired my trusty old bluett stove, steamed up those clams in
a bottle of Oly and made up a Northwest risotto with the extra clams,
hunk o' fish, rice and green beans.  Sure did feel good after a day of
riding.  

Anyway, for my camping equipment I try to travel as small and lite as possible.
I use the ultralite Thermarest, the 1 person Kelty tent ( although
I ready to get a 2 person Northface tent ), the 40 degree polyfil
bag by Kelty sold by REI and I find the most important a candle lamp.
As mentioned above, I use the Bluett stove.  Yeh, yeh, you have to 
carry the blame cartridges around, but they do disappear as your
trip progresses, and I haven't had any problems finding cartridges
in europe, canada or latin america.   Also, I highly recommend the
Overland paniers.  They're simple, tough, and affordable.
Well that's my suggestions and have fun on Hwy #1.  Oh, BTW, take it 
easy in Oregon.  I got a tailwind there, blinked an eye 
and I was in California.  

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From: don@writer.yorku.ca (don Sinclair)
Subject: Need advice on trails in San Diego County
Keywords: Off road touring
Organization: Interdisciplinary Fine Arts, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:48:04 GMT

I am planning my first solo off-road trip (actually a combination 
of road and off-road). I have done extensive road touring, so I am 
looking for some advice on the trails I mention here and camping 
out in those areas. I am using a couple of sources to plan my 
tour: "Mountain Bike Trail Guide: San Diego Edition" by Scott 
Bringe and "Southern and Central California Atlas and Gazetteer" 
(a book of 1:150,000 maps with topo lines).

The Plan:
I have 9-10 days in February.

Road:
Fly to LA then head south along the coast.
Take hwy 74 from Dana Point to Lake Elsinore.
Go Southeast to hwy 79 to Aguanga.

Off Road:
Palomar Mountain area ending up near Warner Springs.

Road: 
Take hwy 79 to San Ysidro.

Off Road:
Los Coyotes Indian Reservation area loop ending up back in San 
Ysidro.

Road: 
Take S22 to Grapevine Canyon.

Off Road:
Grapevine Canyon area ending up near the junction of hwy 78 and 
S3.

Road: 
Take S3 to Borrego Springs to Coyote Canyon.

Off Road:
Coyote Canyon area loop.

Road: 
Take S22 to Borrego Badlands area.

Off Road:
Borrego Badlands area ending up west of Ocotillo Wells on hwy 78

Road: 
Take hwy 78 and Split Mtn Rd.

Off Road:
Split Mountain and Pinyon Canyon area ending up on S2.

Road: 
Take hwy S2 to Carizzo Badlands.

Off Road:
Carizzo Badlands area.

Road: 
Take hwy S2 to Ocotillo then hwy 8 and 80 to La Posta.

Off Road:
Laguna Mountains area, then Morena Lake, Corral Canyon and Bear 
valley area, then Cuyamaca Mountains area, then Cedar Creek and 
Eagle Peak area.

Road: 
Take hwy 79, 76 and 74 back to the coast.

Your help is much appreciated,

don
From: brian@sgml.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: How to get to Rotterdam
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:00:30 GMT
Reply-To: brian@sgmlinc.com
Organization: SGML Associates, Inc.

I am planning a trip to Rotterdam in May. I will be taking the 
ferry from Harwich (UK) to Hook of Holland. Looking on a map, 
it seems like about 20-30 km from there to Rotterdam.

Does anyone know if there are bicycle rentals near the ferry 
terminal in Hook? If there are, how are the roads between there 
and Rotterdam...are they bicycle friendly? What kind of local 
laws should I be aware of? Is Rotterdam as bicycle-oriented as 
Amsterdam? What is the theft potential?

Any help would be appreciated.
Brian.

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From: Eric De Mund <ead@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
X-Reply-To: Eric De Mund <ead@netcom.com>
Reply-To: Eric De Mund <ead@netcom.com>
Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:35:05 GMT

o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin) writes:
] I am still figuring out what to buy for my planned trip down Highway 1 from
] Seattle to ?.  Are there any recommendations regarding camping-equipment,
] like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?), stoves
] (which one would YOU recommend?  MSR WhisperLite, MSR X-GK II, or Coleman
] Peak One?  money no object).

oliver,

if no one else has recommended the bible, here it is:

    bicycling the pacific coast, a complete route guide, canada to mexico
    by tom kirkendall & vicky spring
    2nd edition, (c) 1990 by kirkendall & spring
    published by the mountaineers,
    1011 s.w. klickitat way
    seattle, wa  98134
    isbn 0-89886-232-9

i was lucky and happened to stumble across it (i didn't know that there
was a bible for biking the coast highway) two days before my six-day san
jose to santa barbara trip this past september. as far as air matresses
go, i _love_ my therm-a-rest(r) by cascade designs, inc. it's light-
weight and warm. and rolls up nicely.

for diffuse light to cook, read, or write by at a picnic table, i used
to put one of my one-liter nalgene bottles, with water in it, on top of
my skyward pointing flashlight. no more. for christmas, i got a fluor-
escent "flashlight", which casts quite a bit of light. the 6" bulb is
exposed along its length, and is great for reading in bed. it takes four
AA batteries.

enjoy yourself,
eric <ead@netcom.com>
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From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Largest number of cyclists in a ride
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:36:56 GMT

In article 726736352@cc.und.ac.za, jackson@cc.und.ac.za (Clive Jackson) writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'll be taking part in the Argus Cycle Tour in Cape Town, South Africa in 
>March this year. The cut off for the maximum number of cyclists is 17500. I 
>was wondering how this compares with similar mass rides in other countries.
>I would be grateful for any replies.

"Vaetternrundan", the tour around Vaettern, Sweden's second largest
lake cuts off at 16100 participants. Given the "normal" frequency of
drop-outs, just under 13000 tend to show up at start. Due to the
"rundans" length of just over 300 km (186 miles), it's argued that this
makes it the world's largest cycling event (a total of just under 4
million person-kilometers) while the "Tour de l'Ile" of Montreal,
Canada which last year brought 46300 participants to start is "only" 76
km and thus totals 3.5 million person-kilometers.

How long is the Argus Cycle Tour? I've heard of it before but only a
couple of times. I guess it's not been getting much attention due to
the various boycotts of South African sports events. What's the current
status on those? I understand Sweden is easing up on some of the
restrictions on contacts with South Africa. Is that the case generally
with the international sports federations?

>Thanks,
>Clive.

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