From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:46:06 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <9504@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
> In article <92080720388@genesis.nred.ma.us> nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us (Ralph Barbagallo) writes:
>  >In article <1992Aug6.170013.4541@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>  >>
>  >>   It is now totally official: CDTV is dead.  ...
>  >
>  >  What the HELL!  We NEED CDROM drives for the Amiga!  Developers were actually
>  >taking CDTV seriously for awhile there.  There was some consideration for
>  >making the new CD movies for CDTV as well as CD-I.  Just another nail in the
>  >coffin I guess.  Isn't it nice to watch Commodore continually shoot themselves
>  >in the foot?  Why would anyone take the Amiga seriously for DTP if they didn't
>  >have CDROMS to grab fonts etc., or for DTV for images etc.  Of course, we have
>  >CDROM FS etc ... but still, shouldn't COMMODORE be supporting some sort of
>  >Amiga CD standard! (As well as a 24 bit standard.)
>
> This is only one of a bunch of similar reaction on Marc's erratic post.
>

You missed the meat of Ralph's post - The amiga needs CD-ROM (not CDTV) to grab
fonts, etc., or for DTV for images.  Shouldn't CBM be supporting some sort of
Amiga CD standard!  Totally correct, and nothing to do with Marc's idiotic
post.

> Now do you finally recognize what damage *you* do with your wrong "facts"
> do to the Amiga. Not every person on the world already knows you and can
> judge the (not existant) truth of your claims.
>

Marc has done ZIP to the Amiga or for it.  But I am not defending him :)
I am observing the truth.  CBM screwed up the Amiga all on its own.
They LIED to publishers about new machines and price points.  They
lied to EA and told them the A1000 would cost $1000 (I paid $2500 for
mine - HINT).  Wonder why EA doesn't support the Amiga so much?  They lied
again about the price of CDTV - double the promised MSRP.  Only stupid
or gullible publishers who haven't had the wonderful burn experience of
trusting CBM fell for it.

And to expect stores and publishers to carry the entire load of advertising
the machine AND their products is just too moronic.  Too stupid.  To idiotic.
To much like CBM.

> You better shut up, before you really hurt the Amiga. Ever heard of
> selffulfilling profecy? I really think it's time for you to apologize.
>

Marc should definately apologize.  Maybe he should post only once a week
instead of daily.  That I'll agree with you on.

If the posts about the new Amigas are true, I'm through with the Amiga as
my main machine.  I have already dumped $15K or more into CBM gear (amigas)
and now you are dumping ME.  I am not going to develop stuff for an expensive
machine with incompatible graphics modes with the bulk of what's out there.
I am not going to buy the damn machine and have no software to use on it.
I am not going to push the Amiga on companies I do business with.

CBM has obviously - very obviously, chosen to seek the game market at the
low end and the video market at the high end.  And your OS stinks for doing
games.  ANd it stinks for apps, too.  No matter how well it is designed.
No matter how GREAT (and GREAT they are) the engineers who build it are.


There's your self-fulfilling prophecy.  Now, I've kept my mouth shut for
YEARS.  I am not going to stop flaming CBM until they go down in flames.
And that they will.

> --
> Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
> Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
> 				   or  peterk@public.sub.org

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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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