From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Caddie-ing
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:14:51 GMT

kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:

>I think
>it is OK for you feet to touch your player's line beyond the hole.

It is ok, as long as you don't do it under the direction of the player or
you don't say, aim at my foot, I'll put it on the line etc.  You shouldn't
do it even without comment, because it can bring up questions about whether
you have an agreement to show him the line.  IF you are involved in reading
the putt, I'd advise you not to do it. If you aren't reading the putt, you can
stand on the side that the putt will break from and if the player decides to
aim at your foot, ok, BUT, think how mad he'll be if he hits it a little firm
and ends up in your footprint.  Anyway, he shouldn't be aiming that far
away from his ball.  He should be picking a spot 6-12 inches in front of
the ball to aim at.

>I think in the Daly incident, his caddie pulled the pin
>completely out and was pointing out where Daly should aim his putt
>with the end of the pin.  The caddie accidently placed the pin down 
>on the green at the aiming point, which I believe was the reason 
>for the penalty.

When I was at the Rules of Golf Workshop, we discussed this and they said
that if he had touched the green on the line in order to show him the line,
it would have been a violation.  After the incident, all the players
involved said he hadn't touched the line.  Later that night, a couple of
officials went out and re-visited it and it appears that he did touch the
line, but since they had previously ruled that there was no penalty based
on the testimony of all the players and it wasn't obvious at the
time there was no penalty.

>>
>>>NEVER wear golf shoes when caddieing.  They will only add additional
>>>unnecessary spike marks.  If I remember Capilano, it is a pretty hilly 
>>>course, so wear a comfortable pair of sneakers.  If it is wet,
>>>an all leather low cut basketball shoe usually does the job.
>>
>>I was always told never wear anything but golf shoes on a
>>course.  Spike marks are much less offensive to the line of putt than 
>>the bumps that 'sneakers' (particularly running shoes)
>>leave behind.  Who's wrong?

>This is a REALLY debateble issue.  I also have been told that you
>should only wear golf shoes on the golf course.  I also realize that
>some jogging shoes with the waffle soles will do more damage to the
>greens.  But your traditional tennis or basketball shoe sole do
>have the features which stick out of the sole, and I believe do
>much less damage than spiked golf shoes.  What I really don't like
>are those "spikeless" golf shoes which are basicly a tamer
>football cleat.  If you watch a professional event (PGA, LPGA,
>or Seniors), all of the caddies are wearing some sort of sneaker.

True, every tour caddie I've seen where sneakers.  Also, our club has an
article from the USGA that says that spikes are bad for the greens and they
are urging us to buy spikeless golf shoes.  We have an 18 hole putting
course ( par 42) that they have banned spikes on.  We either play it in the
new shoes, our sneakers or bare-foot.

Has anyone tried these new spikeless shoes from Footjoy and do they give
you ample traction?


John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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John Vander Borght
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From: southard@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jim Southard)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:21:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Hitting straight
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA