From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: GEORGE BUSH, STOP THE RED-BAITING
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:30:08 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <9210081734.AA21296@MIT.EDU>, bowler@athena.mit.edu (Bert Smith) writes:
|> 
|>                 GEORGE BUSH, STOP THE RED-BAITING
|> 
|>  *    Bush's latest attack on Bill Clinton for a trip he took 23 years
|>  ago is a pathetic attempt to divert the American people from the
|>  worst economic record in 50 years.  It is a sign of pure
|>  desperation.
|> 

It's getting old to here any reference to Bill Clinton's record refered to as
a "sign of pure deseration."  Clinton knows (as well as anyone who has been to
Arkansas) that he has a record of stradling such issues as abortion, sodomy,
right-to-work, the Gulf war, ....
 
|>  *    Bush said last night it's been an ugly political year.  He's
|>  right -- and he's responsible for it.  It's smear campaigns like he's
|>  running that have turned off the American people.
|> 

There is currently a world wide economic decline.  Fortunately the US hasn't
been dragged down to the state of depression that Arkansas has been in for the
past 50 years.

|>  *    The American people don't want to hear about Bill Clinton's 1969
|>  itinerary, they want to hear about the course America is going to
|>  take.  Bill Clinton has a plan to create millions of new jobs,
|>  provide every American with affordable health care, and improve our
|>  schools.  George Bush can only offer more of the same.
|> 

Many thinking Americans do.  It was interesting that ABC News showed Clinton
contradicting himself on the Larry King show and on Donohue during a discussion
on Nightline last night.  As usual, when his people were questioned about
Clinton contradicting himself, they side stepped the question by calling the
Bush campaign "desperate".  Even Donohue was questioning Clinton's multiple
stories on this one (on CNBC's Donohue & Posner) last night.  Clinton has long
had integrity problems which his campaign has deserately kept dammed up.  The
dam appears ready to burst since even the press is begining to question
Clinton.

|>  *    Because the Republicans have such a miserable economic record,
|>  they've resorted to lobbing hand grenade after hand grenade, hoping
|>  that one will explode.  Even as he was attacking Clinton, Bush told
|>  Larry King, "I don't have the facts."
|> 

Mr. Bush was asked by Larry King for his OPINION, which he gave.  He (unlike
Slick-Willie) made sure that he qualified that it was his OPINION.

|>  *    Consider the source: these scurrilous charges were started by
|>  Bob Dornan ranting on the House floor, who admits he has no evidence
|>  and was "speculating."  They were picked up by the Washington Times,
|>  and fanned by Bush deputy campaign director Mary Matalin and press
|>  secretary Torie Clarke.  And we all know who gives them directions:
|>  James Baker, the former Secretary of State.
|> 

Consider the subject.  He has flip-flopped on every other issue, why not the
cold war as well?

|>  *    One sign of Bush's desperation is his moving to a direct attack
|>  on Clinton's opposition to the Vietnam war.  Recall Bush's 1989
|>  Inaugural Speech when he pledged to the American people to end
|>  divisions over the war:
|> 

He did not attack Clinton's oposition to the Vietnam war.  Bush SPECIFICALLY 
refered to Clinton's organizing anti-war protest outside of the US.  And, yes,
Bush questioned Clinton's poor memory.  If Clinton has so much trouble
remembering the facts about activities that were important to him, then how
can Clinton be trusted to remember "trivial things" like an oath of office?

|>       "[The Vietnam War] cleaves us still.  But friends, that war
|>  began in earnest a quarter of a century ago; and surely the statute
|>  of limitation has been reached.  This is a fact: the final lesson of
|>  Vietnam is that no great nation can long afford to be sundered by a
|>  memory."  1/20/89
|> 
|>  *    There's a name for Bush's attack -- red-baiting.  Bush might
|>  have been a good candidate during the Cold War, he's not a candidate
|>  for the future.  With this latest slur, he sounds like Joe McCarthy.
|>  Next thing he'll be calling for the revival for the House UnAmerican
|>  Activities Committee and blacklisting.

You seem to forget that it was Clinton who black-balled Democrats that
disagreed with him at the Democrat convention.  To equate Bush's statements
with McCarthy-ism shows you lack of knowledge of the McCarthy era and that
you are little more than a liberal version of a "ditto-head".

|> 
|>  *    George Bush is nothing if not inconsistent.  He attacks Clinton
|>  for not remembering who he met in Moscow 23 years ago, but Bush can't
|>  remember who he met with during the Iran-Contra scandal in 1986.  He
|>  attacks Clinton for going to Moscow one year after the Soviets
|>  crushed the Czech reformers in Prague, but as President of the United
|>  States, Bush sent his national security advisor Brent Scowcroft to
|>  China within weeks after the Chinese brutally crushed the democratic
|>  student protest in Tianamen Square.

Come, come now, you should be more honest.  Bush has long ago been subject of
the Iran-Contra investigation.  Perhaps Clinton was showing his desperation
when he suggested another Iran-Contra investigation on Larry King's show the
other night!  To equate a graduate student taking a "holiday" in Moscow during
the height of the Cold war to sending an official of the US government to China
is nonsequitur.

|> 
|>  *    As all Rhodes Scholars are encouraged to do, Bill Clinton
|>  traveled as a tourist during his 40 day winter break in 1969.  He
|>  visited several countries in Northern Europe during December 1969 and
|>  early January 1970.
|> 
|>  *    Moscow was just one of many places Clinton visited as a tourist
|>  during his Northern European vacation.  He traveled alone, without a
|>  sponsor, and he paid his own way.
|> 
So where did this po' boy from Arkansas get the money?  Why did he spend 7
days of a 40 day trip in Moscow?  How did he get permission from the USSR to
go to Moscow?  Why wasn't he considered a possible spy by the Soviets?  Why
does he call the meeting with Father McSorley in Oslo as a brief "imagine
bumping into you here" even though Father McSorley has clearly stated that it
was actually a 9 hour strategy session?

|>  *    At least eight of the 32 Rhodes scholars in Clinton's class also
|>  traveled to Moscow on their own or in small groups.  There were no
|>  restrictions on traveling to Moscow. It was very inexpensive.

If you were invited, of course.

|> 
|>  *    Clinton's travels took him to Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland,
|>  Russia, and Prague, Czechoslovakia before returning to England.
|>  Clinton traveled Europe as a tourist -- not to attend any meeting or
|>  demonstration.  While in Norway, he visited a friend from Hot Springs
|>  who was attending Oslo University.  He met Father McSorley
|>  coincidentally at the Oslo train station, they traveled to the
|>  University where Clinton was introduced to McSorley's friends, and
|>  then Clinton went to visit his friend.

Here is where Clinton's memory and the facts go in different directions.  Even
Donohue is questioning Clinton's versions on this one.

|> 
|>  *    Clinton spent Christmas in Finland with the family of a college
|>  friend before heading to Moscow where he spent five or six days
|>  touring.
|> 
|>  *    Clinton has repeatedly said that he opposed the war in Vietnam
|>  and that he attended several anti-war marches.  He participated in no
|>  anti-American demonstrations.

He ORGANIZED the protests (re: Father McSorley's statements), and yet denies
that he even took part in more than one or two ("I can't remember.")  What is
it that will cause him problems if he choses to remember and tell the truth to
the American people?

|> 
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Further proof that Clinton and artificial intellegence do go together.



Doug Page

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