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From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Robert Gaudreau (was: Sharks lose to Canucks 7-5)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 00:18:06 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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(Nelson Lu) writes:
[mucho deleted]
>2.	Gaudreau's goal and assist extended his scoring streak to 12 games,
>	a new club record, and the longest current scoring streak in the NHL,
>	as Petr Nedved, failing to get a point tonight, had his 17-game streak
>	snapped.  Gaudreau now has 19 points in 13 games played.

	Hey, are you all away from the west coast paying attention to
this guy? Wow, I saw him play in the Sharks destruction of the Kings. 
I think he looks great out on the ice. He provides a nice scoring touch
for the Sharks, and maybe takes some pressure off of Pat Falloon.
What does he have? 14 goals and 5 assists in 13 games? Do you all think
he is going to be a future impact player in the NHL, or a Chris Kontos?

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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Alex = scoring machine
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:47:00 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University


	Alex Mogilny now has 36 goals in 38 games, and 5 hat tricks for the season. 
Does anyone know if he got the contract he wanted?  If not, then the poor
Sabres will have to come up with even more $$.

	Also, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but both Mogilny and Kemilev (sp?)
had hat tricks new years eve, setting a NHL record that will be tough to beat
(2 hat tricks by russians on the same team in the same game)

Bill
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.082525.21743@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>
>>The success of the junior tournament and other younger age-group 
>>tournaments is actually an argument for an age-group Olympic tournament
>>with an age-limit of say around 23...because then essentially all
>>the top six hockey countries in the world would be equally competitive...
>>and would be a showcase tournament for the emerging stars...rather
>>than a chore for multi-million dollar professionals.
>
>I am afraid you do not know what you are talking about. If you put an
>age limit of 23 yers and you do not have a break in the NHL and the
>top leagues in each of the participating countries around the world,
>(and if you have the break, why not have the stars performing in the games)
>then there will not be top talent in the Olympic games, because no
>team is letting their (under 23) stars to the olympic baby cames.
>To get the stars (of the agegroup) involved you have to but the age 
>limit under 17. While you are in the busines, why not drop it to the
>pee wees. :-).
>

There aren't that many players in the NHL who are 22 and under...pretty
much only the exceptional talent makes it before age 22.  If you
provided a marquee tournament for 22 year olds in the Olympics, perhaps
more players like Joe Juneau and Teemu Selanne wouldn't rush to the
NHL, and take advantage of the Olympics.  Most Swedish and Finnish
players don't come over at 19 or 20 anyway...and the NHL's tentative
agreement with the Russians will probably limit the age at which
most NHL teams will claim their any Russian draftees.

A 22 or 23 year age-limit will also allow for at least one-kick
at the cat for any potential superstar from any country when they
are 18-20...and NHL teams, having such a tournament, might be content
to let some of their younger players develop in their home countries
in preparation for such an Olympic program.  The Canadian players
who have spent time in the national and Olympic team program have
perhaps benefitted more by their participation in it than they would
have by playing in the minor leagues.  Selanne garnered the largest
contract ever given to an enterring European by playing the waiting
game cleverly...for the overall structure of hockey, an Olympic
age-group tournament is the better idea.  The 22-23 year age limit
also works well with respect to the US, since it blends in with
US college hockey perfectly.

And it also leaves open the possiblity of a properly organized World
Cup of Hockey...

Gerald
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (KIRK MULLER or LARRY WALKER)
Subject: Nordiques: Team of the mid-90's
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:31:31 GMT


Being a die-hard Hab fan, this is very difficult for me to say, but...

I think the Nordiques will be to the 90's what the Oilers were to the 80's.
I realize Pittsburgh is a very talented team, and will probably give Quebec
a lot of trouble, but consider the Quebec roster:

1. Joe Sakic ('nuff said)
2. Owen Nolan (35 goals or so can help win games)
3. Mike Ricci (gritty player who can score too)
4. Valeri Kamensky (has yet to prove worth, but could be a star)
5. Ron Hextall (great goalie for many years to come)
6. Mats Sundin (look at his point totals)
7. Peter Forsburg (leading scorer at World Juniors; 10 points vs Japan!!)
8. Todd Warriner (could be another good player)
9. Steve Duchesne (look at his point totals)
10. When the Flyers miss the playoffs, Quebec will get a very good draft pick
11. The good players *already* making up the supporting cast


I think a lot of people are overlooking #7 when analyzing the Lindros trade.
Looks to me like that trade alone is worth 1 or 2 cups.

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From: layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield)
Subject: Draft standings?
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:11:12 GMT

So what ever happend to the rec.sport.hockey USENET draft standings?
That's two Tuesdays in a row they have not been posted!  Are we all doing
that bad?

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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: I feel for Pat LaFontaine!
Date: 3 Jan 1993 00:48:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
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Despite being a mosterous Pens fan and Lemieux fans, I feel really bad
for Patty LaFontaine.  Pat has, I think, somerhing like 67 points in 34
games.  That's pretty much Juniors pace, with 2 points per game.
Without lemieux, he would win the scoring race with probably around 170
points if he kept this pace . That's REMARKABLE.  But, Lemieux, being on
a pace for over 200 really overshadows it.  

Plus, there are a lot of other players with REMARKABLE scoring paces.
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kings trade Kudelski
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:13:38 GMT
Organization: UniSolutions Associates

In article <1992Dec21.222411.23127@logiconultra.com>, brucem@logiconultra.com (Bruce Madsen) writes:
|> According to today's World Champion (LA Times - Hockey? what's that? Oh, send  
|> that new girl over to cover it.) It was a two for one trade.  Kudelski for Jim  
|> Thomson and Mark Fortier.  In 15 games this season, Kudelski scored three goals  
|> and had five assists.

Another boneheaded move on the Kings' part...  Kudelski was much better than either
Jim Thomson and/or Mark Fortier.  At least he can find the net from time to time 
(given ice time).  Jim Thomson played a lot of games last year but he was hardly 
noticed. And this is his 3rd time with the Kings.  They give him up once before in 
the  SJ/Minnesota dispersal draft only to trade Todd Elik to get him back (and Huddy 
and Gilhen).  The only thing good out of that trade was getting Corey Millen for 
Randy Gilhen later that year.  Jim Thomson had his chance to prove himself, why get 
him back again?

-- 
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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WJHC thoughts
Date: 28 Dec 1992 02:29:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
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1) All those ads on the boards, behind the boards, and on the ice.  The
future of the NHL?
2) Did the game seem over nauseatingly fast to you too?  Was it the
camera work?  Or, was it the players themselves (I only watched the
first period, because Sportschannel replayed it at 11 pm)
3) Even though they were there to play hockey, and the all played well,
didn't you notice how childlike they all looked?  Ok, they are all
young, but notice how immature (physically) the players look?

-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:03:12 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: trade rumor
	<1992Dec17.063234.1119@wuecl.wustl.edu>


Joseph Achkar writes:

>Hull has been playing on the SECOND line in St. Louis. Shanahan - Janney -
>Emerson is the first line.

Really?  I didn't know this and I'm surprised.  I'll have to check the
St Louis stats now.  I'm really curious.  Thanks.

Mom.
From: chrisq@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Quaranta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rookie of the Year Prospects
Date: 31 Dec 1992 15:26:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Summary: Thoughts so far...
Keywords: Juneau, Selanne




     There's a subject that the local Boston papers have been playing up over
the last few days, and I wanted to get the net's view on the subject.
Tuesday night two of the hottest prospects for this years Calder Trophy faced
off in Winnipeg.  Namely, they are Joe Juneau of the Bruins, and Teemu
Selanne of the Jets.  (I'm going to leave Lindros out of this for now since
he's gotten too much air time on this net already 8-) )  Juneau has posted
totals of 13-36-49 (+17), while Selanne is at 28-21-49 (-9).  These are
pretty comparable totals if you consider the conventional wisdom that says
Juneau is more of an all-around player while Selanne is concentrated in the
offensive end.  But putting these images behind, what do you think of each of
these players?  Who looks more like what the Rookie of the Year is defined
to be?  I am really curious to see what opinions you people out on the net
have on this subject.  And if you see someone who I've left out, and you
think they are a viable canidate, tell us!  Thanks.

-chrisq

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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: The first number of Gordie Howe
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 02:36:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.095822.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> vuorinen@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
> I would like to know what was the first number of Gordie Howe in NHL. 

Well, the BEST source would have to be the Detroit Red Wings organization

according to the Red Wings, Gordie Howe wore the #17 for the 1946-1947
and 1947-1948 seasons

also according to the Red Wings, Gordie Howe wore the #9 from 1947-1948
until 1970-1971

1946-1971 a wonderful 25 years

chris

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Canada-Sweden
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.144056.16438@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
> 1993 World Junior Hockey Championships, December 27:
> ====================================================
>
> CANADA - SWEDEN 5-4 (1-0,1-3,2-2) 
>
> Canada won a close game where American referee Brett A Parson called
> a total of 116 penalty minutes. Many strange calls interrupted this
> game, and the inconsistency of Parson was confusing all players.
>

No kidding!

>
> I had been looking forward to watch "the next Lemieux", Alexandre Daigle,
> but he didn't show much skills in this game, at least not any positive
> skills because halfway through the game, Daigle made an ugly cross check
> straight in the face/neck of Kenny Jonsson. A major penalty was called and
> Daigle was gone for the game.
>

I noticed you neglect to mention that Markus Naslund received a similar
penalty for a wicked slash to Tyler Wright's neck in the 3rd period...

>
> Three stars (personal opinion):
> 1 - Peter Forsberg

Not only for his outstanding play, but for the great motivational speech
to the Canadian team about how they couldn't skate and how easy they
would be for Sweden to beat. 

> 2 - Paul Kariya
> 3 - Manny Legace
>
> Canada's chances of becoming World Champions increased with this win
> while Sweden now for sure can't take another loss if they want to
> stay in the race for the gold medal.
>
> It'll be interesting to see Canada match up with Russia on Tuesday.
>

Gerald
From: jg25+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Gartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Who the HELL is doing Pens color?
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:26:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfFok5C00iUzM1mmIq
Organization: Property Management, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 3-Jan-93 Who the HELL is doing
Pens .. by Eric Rickin@cleveland.Fr 
> I beleive he's a Francophone because of his accent, and this is
> CERTAINLY NOT Paul Steigerwald.  
>  
> 1) WHat happened to PAul ?
>  
> 2) Who the HELL is this guy?
>  
> Lange: Jagr shoots and scores.  Ohhh!!  How much fried chicken can you
> eat?
>  
> Color man: I've got a big bucket.

If by chance you are referring to the Rangers game on Saturday night,
you must have watched the game on Pay-per-View (PEN Vision).  Lange has
been teamed with Pierre Larouche for the first two games.  While I
didn't receive the broadcast, I saw about a minute through the
"scrambling" of the pre-game.

--jim
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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Badger Bob
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:28:07 GMT


Could someone tell me the birth and death dates of Bob Johnson?

Thanks,
Kevin
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From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Finnish Jr. League query.
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 11:11:36 GMT

In article <BzxI57.G0y@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
> 
> With the World Jr. Tournament going on, I would guess that most of the
> European Junior leagues take some time off.  I was wondering if anyone
> had standings on how the Finnish Jr. League was doing, especially Tappara Jr.
> (Ok, I admit it...my main reason is to find out about Teemu Numminen, but
> I might as well get the whole ball of wax.  :)
> 
  I haven't seen any comments on this here. So maybe all the people who
  have the info are on holidays... 
  The only thing I know for sure is, that this wasn't any good season
  for Tappara Jr team, because they couldn't make it into the top eight.
  Now they have to play qualification serie to keep themselves on the
  highest level of Finnish Jr League.

  So far I know Teemu Numminen is one of the best forwards in the team.
  He has also spent some time with the league team (adults), but didn't
  get much of ice time.

  BTW I read somewhere that one of his biggest dreams is to play hockey
  in the same team with his brother Teppo Numminen. And if I'm not very
  wrong Teemu is reserved by the Jets, too...

> Also, if people can post the rosters for the teams at the WJHC, I'd appreciate
> it.
>  
> Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
> Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
> FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
> Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
> The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
> Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!

/ Hannu

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:58:31 -0500 
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Gretzky (was Re: Wayne's Return...)


As much as I hate to see a great player like Gretzky be sidelined with 
an injury, his being out of the lineup may have been one of the best things
to happen to the Kings as a team.  They have finally had to play without
leaning on Gretz, and have had to realize the potential that they've had 
all along.  This situation is very similar to what happened to the Pens 
two years ago with Mario out.  The team had the talent all along, they
just never really pulled together until Mario was out for 50 games.  Then
when Mario came back, the team was already playing with its own
personal confidence and having Lemieux just made them that much
stronger.  I believe the same would happen for the Kings if Gretzky 
returned now.  He's such a great player that the team can always use
him, but now everyone knows how to play without him too, so they
don't use him as a crutch for their team.  

I have to admit that I'm primarily a Canucks fan as far as the Smythe is
concerned, but I like to see teams with potential play to that potential,
and the Kings (and Flames this year) are demonstrating that.  Should be
a good race all season in that division.

--Tom

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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Finnish Jr. League query.
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.131136.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>> 
>  I haven't seen any comments on this here. So maybe all the people who
>  have the info are on holidays... 

That could be...or they are too busy watching the WJHC!  :)



>  The only thing I know for sure is, that this wasn't any good season
>  for Tappara Jr team, because they couldn't make it into the top eight.
>  Now they have to play qualification serie to keep themselves on the
>  highest level of Finnish Jr League.

That's not good.  :(  Who do they have to play, do you know?

>
>  So far I know Teemu Numminen is one of the best forwards in the team.
>  He has also spent some time with the league team (adults), but didn't
>  get much of ice time.

Wonderful...now I have ANOTHER team to watch in SM-liiga.  :)  The way
things are going, I'll be following more teams there than in the NHL!  :)

>
>  BTW I read somewhere that one of his biggest dreams is to play hockey
>  in the same team with his brother Teppo Numminen. And if I'm not very
>  wrong Teemu is reserved by the Jets, too...

Yep, the Jets drafted him last year.  So, if we can get him over here, it
would be great.  (Teemu Selanne, Teemu Numminen, and Teppo Numminen all
on the same team...I like the sounds of that!)


>

Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Canada-Sweden
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.003241.12072@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.233222.13867@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>My first statement was not a verbatim quote, but a paraphrase, and I did
>>not say it was a verbatim quote...when challenged, I went back and got
>>the verbatim quote...my paraphrase captures the connotation that any
>>Canadian would make from the verbatim quote...that Forsberg denigrated
>>the skating ability and the quality of the Canadian team...you're nit-
>>picking by confusing paraphrasing with quotation.
>
>If you want to paraphrase, it's *not* proper to put it in quotes, which
>indicates a proper quotation.  Using quotation marks indicate that the person
>*did* say it, using those same words.  I am sure you'll call me a nit-picker,
>but *you* are the one who's confusing paraphrasing and quoting.

Read my original post...it was a paraphrase, without quotation 
marks...when challenged that Forsberg would never say such a thing,
I posted the verbatim quote.

If you have something to contribute perhaps you should get your facts
right first.  I posted a paraphrase of newspapers accounts of what
Forsberg said, and the verbatim quote subsequently.

Gerald
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: StL/Har @ Birmingham - What happened to it?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:51:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
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In a previous article, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) says:

>This was on the schedule for 12/29 but subject to change. I haven't seen
>any scoring reports and Headline News didn't even list the game. What happened
>to it? Joe has logged in in a week and I don't think anyone has claimed to be
>the Whalers contact.

I herd that it was scrapped because of lack of ticket sales.  No idea
what they're going to do it reschedule it.  I think, maybe, they are
adding another neutral site game somewhere else.
>
>Tom
>

-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
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