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From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:33:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

In article <1992Sep10.181020.13860@ll.mit.edu> roe@ll.mit.edu ( Ted Roe) writes:
>I recently read a book called "The Weather Companion" by Gary
>Lockhart.  A section of the book talks about weather and fishing.
>There were several references to fishing and barometric pressure.
>
>One was an old American Indian proverb "Fish go down deep means a
>coming storm", which he goes on to explain by the fact that when the
>pressure drops the fish go deeper to keep a neutral buoyancy.
>
>A reference was made to a 1937 study by the Sportsmen's Club of
>Lincoln, Illinois that fishing was good when the barometer was 29.90"
>and rising or steady, and that fishing was bad at a low point or if
>pressure was falling.
>
>He also mentioned a study in Kansas that indicated that fishing was
>best during steady medium-high pressure.
>

I've looked at this book, too. IMHO, his theories and "studies" showing that
fish bite better on rising pressure is hogwash. I have read too many articles
saying the opposite, and experienced too many fishless days after a cold
front, for this to be true.

I wonder how much "research" Lockhart really did on this subject.

Again, this is for warm-blooded fish in freshwater. And there are certainly
too many other factors to go by the pressure rise/fall rule alone. However,
in general, fishing is best before a cold front when the skies are cloudy
and the pressure is falling, and the fishing is worst after a cold front
when the pressure is rising and the skies are clear.

Pat Fitzpatrick
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A)
Subject: Re: Sharp teeth
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:24:41 GMT
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In <8SEP199210335569@wccf.mit.edu> buzz@wccf.mit.edu writes:

> 
> off, and boom, the fish started biting again.  Any advice for a novice?  How 
> can I keep from losing the fish (and my favorite Meps) but not use the metal 
> leader, which clearly deterred the fish from biting?  

  Try using 20# or 30# test as a leader. One foot should be enough. Check it
now and then for fraying and replace as necessary. Obviously, the metal leaders
were spooking the fish.

Good luck,
John 


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From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Re: Bass vs Trout vs People
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:31:34 GMT

In article <118856@muvms3.bitnet> pro016@muvms3.bitnet writes:
>WELL, Im glad to see everyone enjoying jet ski fishing  !!! I know I 
>should practice catch/release and even tagging these critters, but can
>I just keep one to have mounted on the side of my garage....PLEASE ?
>I hear they weather real nice !
>Paul
>

That should be ok as long as you harvest your kill properly first.  The
best way is to attach a skewer to the whole arrangement, i.e. the jet-skier
and the jet-ski, then rotate slowly over a fire-pit for 8 hours.  Similar
to lobster, your harvest should be roasted alive...best way is on the beach.
The sound is educational to other jet skiers too!  And your harvest is at
it's freshest if you BBQ it this way.  Finally, after the 8 or so hours of
BBQ'ing on the spit, remove the skewers, throw away the jet skier, and eat
the jet ski!  (Boy! THAT was original...sounds a lot like carp!)

Brian
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Santa Cruz skiffs - info wanted
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:01:38 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <lapp8gINN31j@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> emathre@otherone.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>I'm planning a fishing expedition soon and would be interested
>to hear from anyone who has done something similar recently.
 
I can't answer all of your questions but I can add a couple of things...

>There's a company in Santa Cruz that rents skiffs by the day.
>There seems to be nearby reefs for shallow-water rockfishing,
>as well as perhaps kelp beds.
 
I've had good luck off the kelp beds between the harbor and the cement boat.

>I intend to use shrimp fly rigs and 2-4 oz. diamond bar and candy
>bar jigs, all with strips of squid tacked on.  If I catch a suitable
>small fish, I'll think about a live bait rig with an sliding egg sinker.
 
I was once fishing with a friend of the aforementioned kelp beds and he
caught a rock fish that when boated it spit out a small octopus.  He put
the octopus on the hook and before it hit bottom he had on a 12# ling.

>Questions:
>	- are there other interesting quarry that I should bring
>	  alternate tackle for?
 
Since you're near the Santa Cruz beach you might bring a pair ob
binoculars. :-)

>	- without a depth finder, how do I know when I'm over
>	  suitable structure and what depth the fish are holding at?
 
I've found that fishing just off the kelp beds seems to work.  We usually
just started off the bottom, counted turns, and then worked our way up
until we started hitting fish.

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From: sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:43:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.180809.6973@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey) writes:

>	Always remember: "The monofilament is the weakest link between you and
>	your fish - So choose it well".

Not to belabor an obvious point, but I learned this lesson the hard way.  I
had just purchased my first rod & reel (I had gotten tired of borrowing my
father-in-law's all the time) and needed line desperately because I was to go
fishing the next day.  However, I only had a dollar and some change to my
name.  Well, I looked at the Berkley and the Stren and so on, but knowing full
well I shouldn't, I purchased a spool of Johnny Walker Line for 99 cents.
Well, a lost Shad Rap and Daredevle spoon later, I've learned my lesson.
You'd be amazed at how far you can cast when there is no pesky line holding
your line back.  Somewhere on the shore of Lake Pepin and at the bottom of
Lake Michigan is the evidence of that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Dept of Political Science                 sea of despair, just for the
Bolton 617b  UW-Milwaukee                  halibut.
(414) 229-4484

. . . And several butcher's aprons.
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:09:31 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

In article <Sep08.220253.24303@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>
>disoriented later! A secondary factor is that it is not sunny because
>of clouds and rain, and fish feed better than when it is sunny. 
                                                         ^
                                                        not


oops, typo. Thos is what happens when you type with one hand and hold a baby
in the other :-)

Pat Fitzpatrick
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From: jholsapp@encore.com (Jeff Holsapple)
Subject: Re: Pier Fishing for Sharks
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:16:03 GMT

>I've just been reading in the LA Times today about 3 Great Whites that
>have been caught lately by guys fishing off Manhattan Beach Pier (they
>were all about 6-7 feet). The pier is not very long, and I got
>the impression from the article that the sharks were actually landed
>on the beach after being hooked from the pier.

>Anyone out there ever fished for sharks like this ?? What sort
>of tackle is used and is it very common to catch sharks so close to
>the shore ??

Back in high school (about 14 years ago), my buddies and I used to fish from
the Lake Worth (FL) pier and occasionally we would fish for sharks. Since it
was against the rules (this pier was located on a beach that had quite a few
tourists) and since reels over 4/0 were not allowed, we had to sneek our 6/0
and 9/0s out onto the pier.

Night was the best time to fish for sharks. We would double hook half a
bonita or 'cuda and toss it out as far as possible (it's not easy casting
a 9/0 with 12' of wire leader ;-). Then we would wait, and wait, and wait.
After hooking and taking turns fighting a shark, we would walk it down to
the beach and try to remove it's jaws.

The only shark I helped catch was an 8' bull shark but my buddies caught
several hammerheads, including an 11 footer. We managed to get the jaws out
of the bull shark, but when we tried to pull it back out past the shore
break, the waves kept washing it back onto the beach. I can just image the
expressions on the tourists as they arrived the next morning and saw an 8'
shark carcass floating in the surf.

I remember another time fishing on the pier during the day when someone
caught a 2' sandshark. Several little kids took the shark down to the
pier's tackle shop to see if the tackle shop wanted to put it in the
pier's aquarium. Since there already was a sandshark in the aquarium,
they told the kids no. So, the kids walked out of the tackle shop and
droped the shark back into the ocean - in about 2' of water. I've never
seen so many tourists clear out of the water so fast in all of my life.
Everyone on the pier was in hysterics, but the lifegaurds didn't think
it was very funny. One of them came out onto the pier and made the kids
leave.

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From: beaker@parrot.creighton.edu (Rodney Hoden)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Eagle Lake fishing trip
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:29:20 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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From: jerryw@cs.umd.edu (Jerry Wieber)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing Report: Chesapeake Bay
Summary: Point Lookout
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:28:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I spent yesterday feeding various forms of bait to the seemingly
insatiable blue crabs at Point Lookout (the southern tip of Maryland
where the bay meets the Potomac River) off of the public fishing
pier.  I've about given up on the Western Shore in disgust; I haven't
seen any really good action there in the past couple of years.

The lower bay has seen unusually good flounder action this summer, but
for anybody marooned without a boat in the private lake that is the
Chesapeake, they are SOL.  Yes, I am bitter about this. 

Point Lookout has had sporadic catches of small bluefish, flounder,
spot, and croaker, but nothing to brag about.  However, [playing the
part of the fishing fool] September is really the best month to fish
the bay.  With the change of the weather, fishing, especially
bluefishing, will pick up.  I may try Kent Island on the Eastern Shore;
I've had good luck there in the past.

If anybody knows of a decent place to shore fish the Maryland Chesapeake,
please let me know.  I'm tired of shooting blanks.


This weekend:  Smallmouth fishing the Potomac River.  Should be a blast.

-Jerry
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From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:44:45 GMT
Subject: Re: jetskis & other lower life forms (Was Bass vs. Trout vs. People)
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

>explicatives aimed in my general direction, followed by rage as I procedded
>to haul him in (and dig the hook deeper). Well The guy came aboard mad as hell
>but he was outnumbered and still somewhat shocked at our actions. After the

Did you have to use a gaff to land him?


>BTW does anyone have a copy of the current fishing regulations for 
>jet skiers ie bag limit, size limit, and seasons ?-)

Out here in Colorado we have a fairly short season on em:

Opening day is June 6.
Closing day is Sept 12.
All waters are open with the exception of Blue Mesa Reservoir, which
is catch and release only.

Bag limit by species (note: species can be determined by the black
markings on the hull)

CLxxxxx: bag and possesion limit is 2 per day
WYxxxxx: endangered species, release immediately
TXxxxxx: nuisance species, no limit

g (...I would have let go of the tow rope but I figured the jet skiier
   would duck) t


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From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:52:20 GMT

Gordon Edwards (gordon@meaddata.com) wrote:
: In article <BuBJC9.Mnz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
: >mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker) writes:
: >>trying to make some good decisions as to what brand of line
: >>to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
: >>am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
: >>holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
: >>I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also
: >>do a little saltwater spinning too.  Almost all of the
: >>fishing I do, salt or fresh, bay, stream, or lake, is light
: >>tackle, less than 10lb test.  What are everybody's
: >>recommendations?
: >
: >	If limpness is your primary requirement, then Trilene XL is my
: >	favorite.  However, since knot strength and abrasion resistance
: >	are important, you probably want a co-polymer line.  Both
: >	Bagely Silver Thread and Trimax are excellent lines.  Trimax
: >	has done something to make the new stuff a little limper.
: >	I think silver thread is slightly smaller in dia.  These lines
: >	also have much less stretch than standard lines which helps in
: >	hook setting.  -Roger
: 
: I have used DuPont Stren as long as I can remember. This year alone, I have
: pulled a 19 foot boat all over Caesar Creek with 6# line. :-) An alternative
: is DuPont's 7/20 (or 14/40 for really big boats). It supposedly the diameter
: (its actually oval) of 7# line with the strength of 20# line. I have never
: used it myself, but Greg (he owns the 19 foot boat) has had pretty good
: luck with it.
: 
: 
: --Gordon Edwards  (gordon@meaddata.com)
: --
: --Gordon Edwards  (gordon@meaddata.com)



	I believe that DuPont's 7/20 and 14/40 (being oval) would not be
	recommended for spinning reels; strictly baitcasting.

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From: msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Organization: Washington State University Tri-Cities, Richland
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.160010.25681@draco.macsch.com> jfc@salmon.sea.macsch.com (Jack Castro) writes:
>
>For river and stream fishing, where you are prone to snags and abrasions
>from rocks and bushes, I have always preferred either Trilene XLT (Blue
>label) or Maxima. I think that the Trilene has better limpness than the
>Maxima. I prefer the clear coloration of the Trilene over the greenish 
>Maxima as well. The Maxima, however, might be a tad bit stronger.

I've found Maxima to be quite a bit tougher and stronger.  Especially on
the 8 lb line.  

I do quite a bit of steelhead fishing in Washington and have had poor
success with Trilene on some of the rougher rivers.  In one weekend I
had 6 steelhead cut off using Trilene 8lb line.  I was hooking fish just
behind a series of boulders in the river and every one of them ran up
the middle of the rocks.  The Trilene seemed to part almost instantly.
That evening I respooled with 8lb Maxima and went back and fished the
same place with the fish doing the same thing.  This time however, I was
able to pull several of them back out of the rocks, one of them being a
bright 15 lb buck.  Needless to say, I preach Maxima.

Fishing the NorthWest.
From: russell@skid.uk.sun.com (Russell Bentley - Sun UK - Regional Support Engineer - Watchmoo)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: weather and fishing
Date: 7 Sep 1992 16:51:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: russell@skid.uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: skid.uk.sun.com

In article 92Sep6090936@percival.albany.edu, narten@cs.albany.edu (Thomas Narten) writes:

>Can someone summarize the conventional wisdom regarding best weather
>for fishing?  Specifically, I have read reports (usually lacking in
>either detail or concrete evidence) that indicate that fishing for
>bass and walleye picks up as a front starts to move through an area
>and the barometric pressure falls.  In contrast, high pressuse tends
>to disfavor good fishing.  Can someone recommend a book that describes
>the affects of weather on fishing in a fair amount of detail?
>-- 
>Thomas Narten
>narten@cs.albany.edu



My experience is that high pressure dampens the fishing too, but is
this due exclusively to pressure or the attendant hot weather ?

I have read (in more than one source) that fish tend to go off the feed
if the water temperature gets to 23 degrees C (73 degrees F), and that
seems to make sense as the oxygen content of the water will then be
lowered, making the fish sluggish.

In these conditions I try to make for any place where the water is
being moved the most as this will have the coolest & most oxygenated
water and thus the most lively fish.  Failing that, deep water & slow
retrieve.

As for books, I once saw one called "Weather To Fish" (sic), but didn't
but it.  Wish I had.  Ho hum.


Tight Lines & Dry Feet

Russ Bentley
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From: jmc@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (John M. Connors,656-2012)
Subject: Re: What kind of line to use - pros and cons
Originator: jmc@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:51:45 GMT

From article <369@evtprp0b.UUCP>, by mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker):
> 
> to use.  My requirements are good-to-excellent limpness as I
> am using a spinning rig 100% of the time.  I need good knot
> holding capability. I do mostly river and stream fishing, so
> I need something with good abrasion resistance.  But I also

I have switched to Bagley's AN40 Silver Thread.  I use 4, 8, and 12#
line on my various spinning reels.  I used to use Trilene but I switched
to Silver Thread because of its smaller diameter and limpness.  At the
lighter weights especially 2-8#, I honestly believe that the smaller 
diameter, copolymer line like Silver Thread works better for me.  

My only rule of thumb for fishing line...If it's cheap, it probably is.
I go the extra distance and order the bulk spools from Bass Pro Shops or
Cabela's.  A 300 yd spool of brand name fishing line around here will 
sell for about $7.00.  1000yd spool of Silver Thread from a catalog is 
about $11.99.  I bought three spools of 4, 8, and 12# line two years ago
it looks like a long time before I finish any of these spools.  
(Don't worry...I change my line every spring...I'm not that frugal contrary
to my New England yankee upbringing.  :-)   )

JC in VT.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs Trout vs People
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:18:39 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <118856@muvms3.bitnet> pro016@muvms3.bitnet writes:
|WELL, Im glad to see everyone enjoying jet ski fishing  !!! I know I 
|
|should practice catch/release and even tagging these critters, but can
|
|I just keep one to have mounted on the side of my garage....PLEASE ?
|
|I hear they weather real nice !

And they're already stuffed.

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From: emathre@otherone.Corp.Sun.COM (Eric Mathre - WWFO)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Santa Cruz skiffs - info wanted
Date: 8 Sep 1992 17:38:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: emathre@otherone.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: otherone.corp.sun.com

I'm planning a fishing expedition soon and would be interested
to hear from anyone who has done something similar recently.

There's a company in Santa Cruz that rents skiffs by the day.
There seems to be nearby reefs for shallow-water rockfishing,
as well as perhaps kelp beds.

I intend to use shrimp fly rigs and 2-4 oz. diamond bar and candy
bar jigs, all with strips of squid tacked on.  If I catch a suitable
small fish, I'll think about a live bait rig with an sliding egg sinker.

Questions:

	- is it too late in the year for shallow-water rockfish?

	- are there other interesting quarry that I should bring
	  alternate tackle for?

	- anyone do this recently?

	- is it the right time of year for shallow-water (keeper) lings

	- at what depth do the rockfish start blowing up when retrieved
	  (making c & r impossible)?

	- without a depth finder, how do I know when I'm over
	  suitable structure and what depth the fish are holding at?

Any and all comments and suggestions welcome.  Please reply by email
and I will post a summary of relevant responses.

Thanks,

Eric Mathre
emathre@otherone.corp.sun.com


Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bhoffe@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Salmo Salar
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:45:12 GMT

Hello Fellow Anglers:

Are there any crazed Atlantic Salmon (Salmo Salar) anglers out there??? If 
so, I would really appreciate hearing about your fishing adventures.

Regards,

Brian Hoffe
Dept. of Earth Sciences
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, Newfoundland
CANADA	A1B 3X5
From: fejd@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jim Drogos)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Hayward,Wis.
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:46:12 GMT
Reply-To: fejd@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

My brothers and I will be heading north to Nelson Lake near Hayward Wis.
on the 18th of this month. Has anybody been there recently and is willing
to share any info. Please email and thanks in advance.
Jim Drogos
  


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