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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bigfoot
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:22:45 GMT
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO


>>>Today's headline in the San Jose Mercury News  (July 28, 1992)
>>>tells of possiblity of the discovery of a previous unknown 
>>>(to western science) type of goat...etc. (deleted)
>> 
>>I sent an email to the original poster of the question regarding the discovery
>>of a new mammal. I think he was referring (refurring?:-) to a mammal found in
>>Australia within the last month.

>No, the article in the paper was about a goat in western Vietnam.  Note
>that this wasn't the first human siting of the goat.  Local residents
>had a name for it and regularly hunted it for food.

Sorry for the confusion. I did not mean to contend that they hadn't
discovered a goat. When Derek Tearne first asked about reports of a
new mammal, he seemed to be referring to something that he had heard 
about earlier in the month (I thought the post was older as well, but 
I was mistaken) that's why I think he probably heard about the Australian
thing, and not about the goat (but I might be mistaken again.) I screwed
up and posted my response to the wrong article, sorry.  Regardless,
a critter *was* discovered in Australia in addition to the Vietnamese
goat. Apparently new mammals are just popping out of the woodwork (or at
least out of the woods :-))
--
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: warm weather dress (long pants/shorts)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:12:40 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul27.171509.22697@news.cs.indiana.edu>
Peter Beckman <beckman@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>>in the desert dress.
>>Excellent.  Time to show Lawrence of Arabia again.

>More specifically, how men are permitted to dress.  Many Muslim women,
>for religious/cultural reasons, wear black.
>Surely not a recipe for remaining cool.

Two ideas exist about cooling: reflective (don't get the energy in
the first place) and radiative (dissipate it as fast a possible).

You can chose either.  Neither is perfect. (I mean Omar Sharif's Ali worn
black as well 8^).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: aa678@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles Pflanze)
Subject: Re: Topo Map Coating
Reply-To: aa678@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles Pflanze)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:43:22 GMT

In a previous article, sdrumm@mcs213f.cs.umr.edu (Scott Drumm) says:
 
>Does anybody know whats the best way to coat Topo maps to make'em waterproof
>(other than clear contact paper, which is a real pain in the ass!).
 
One trick to use that is very effective but time-consuming, is to get
a roll of clear plastic tape, the wide variety that is used for sealing
packages.  Apply the clear tape to both sides of the map.  This will
make the map stiffer and bulkier, but virtually indestructible.
 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Topo Map Coating
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:22:54 GMT

Frequently tends to yellow, thereby making the reading of the brown contour
lines more difficult.  It's your use of the map.....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Chevron - People Do?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 19:43:39 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <15buteINN290@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu
(David Iverson) writes:
>Sorry, you're not going to get me with this one!...
>What about the millions of barrels of oil that are thrown away by the huge,
>out-dated, pig-headed industries that could save money in the long term if
>they'd get their heads out of their asses and retool.
>it's the vast inefficiency of the industrial complex

That's one of my ex-SIGGRAPH members you are talking to there.  Richard is
sharp.

A good article appeared, in March's Discover.  Paul MacCready (Gossimer
Condor and other human powered flight of Aeroenvironment) meets car designers.

MacCready notes that when you have nearly unlimited power: car designers
think they are designing aerodynamic cars when in reality, they aren't.
They only think they are because of a limited number of studies.
Another recommended read.  At least that's what I read on the table at
Pear Lake.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: Groenke <kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: HIKING BOOT SUGGESTIONS??
Organization: Shepherd Labs
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:39:24 GMT

You have to decide what kind of boots you want!!
Are you buying boots for extended, fully loaded backcountry hikes or 15 
mile lightly loaded day hikes, or Nike, Reebok, L.A. Gear, Addidas,etc...
street hiking.  These all require very different footwear.

When I take extended, loaded hikes I wear my all leather, Vibram soled, 
heavily oiled,  Danner something-or-anothers.  These boots have been
around for four years and they get better every year.  Believe me the
first 100 miles were hell.

When I hike without a heavy load I wear my new Tecnica  light/mid weight
boots.  I would not have bought these if I hadn't gotten a miraclous
deal.  I paid $25.50 at an outlet store,  I have since seen them for
$150.00 retail,  $120.00 at the same place I bought mine.  I think I
benefited from somebody else's mistake.  Anyway the boots are full
height, heavily soled, mostly leather, and Gor-Tex lined.  If I didn't
have my trusty Danners I could probably use these new boots for loaded
hiking,  I wouldn't use anything less!!  ei light Merrels,Timberlands, Hi
Techs, etc...(this is a warning)

I wear Converse Chuck Taylor High Tops for "Street Hiking".

Sorry about the digression but I guess I'm trying to say that the boots
you buy should by determined for function before anything else.

If you don't have the time and terrain to break in full leather, heavy
weight hiking boots before you head to Colorado I would try to find an
alternative.  Believe me man, your dogs will be barking louder than you
imagined they could.  If thats what you need and you can put 100 miles on
them before your trip buy the ones that fit your foot best, the prices
range really is pretty narrow for similar boot.

If you want mid weights I would suggest the sturdier models by Vasque,
Merrel, Asolo, and Tecnica.  Once again let your feet do the talking,
Boots of similar construction, and style are going to be pretty close in
price.

I wouldn't buy Hi Techs.

Disclaimer: These are all opinions of a very disorganized, disenchanted,
and disengaged mind,  neither the body containing the mind nor anything
near it is not responsible for what it spews forth.
***********************************************
Kevin J. Groenke
Student Lab Services Coordinator               o               o
Shepherd Laboratories                       (  \-           (  \-
University of Minnesota                  (*) \ (*)       (*) \ (*)
From: x90watz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Hiking boots and the Coors Brewery
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:34:18 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1449600013@igc.org>, dyurman@igc.org (Dan Yurman) writes:
> 
> Check your local Red Wing Shoe Store for Vasque with Gore-Tex,
> about $120.  BTW: There are NO mountains in the Golden, Colo,
> area, just some foothils, and, of course, the Coors Brewery.
> 
	What the heck, with the Coors brewery around, I won't even need to
think about hiking :-)  (Maybe a little hiking on the tour of the place!)
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From: brant@seq.uncwil.edu (AT-Dreamer)
Subject: Archive format at mit.edu
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:39:43 GMT

What is the deal?

I don't understand all the junk in front [_89_90_3].......
why?

thanks chuck
happy trails!
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: gra@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Subject: Baxter Reservation Available
Reply-To: gra@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:36:43 GMT

I have reservations for Baxter State Park in Maine for August 14th -18th. The
first night is for South Branch Campground and the remainder for Russell Pond
in the interior of the park.  I paid $50 for them in January and would like
to find someone interested in those dates.  Please send E-Mail if you're
interested.

Eric Graig
CUNY Graduate Center
From: gascan@dcst16.dc (Bill Gascoyne)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cairns, Flags, and Fixed Wands
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:09:29 GMT
Reply-To: gascan@dcst16.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

>My feeling towards cairns is the following.  They should be used to
>mark signifcant parts of a trail were a missed turn could be rather
>deviastating.  Like when there is no trail going across a large
>meadow.  A cairn at the being and at end of the meadow with one or two
>in the middle if need.

IMHO re: trails in meadows, especially those in the high country:
If there is no trail, don't make one!  That includes cairns (or "ducks" as
they are often called in the Sierra).  Three or four people walking in single
file can make a trail that lasts all summer, longer if more follow them.
When I take my Scout troop into the high country, I don't let them walk single
file through an unspoiled meadow; less harm to the meadow that way.

---
1. Bill Gascoyne
From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Chevron - People Do?
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:57:02 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu



>Of course everyone would like to walk to the backcountry since oil companies
>provide gasoline for vehicles and lubrication for bicycles.
>Then we can all carry canvas backpacks and tents since there would be any
>synthetic feedstock anymore.
>Just like the good old days.


Sorry, you're not going to get me with this one!  Yeah, I drive my car to
the backcountry.  But I bike to work every single day, rain, snow or heat of
summer.  And as far as bike lubricants or synthetic fabrics go, we all know
that those things take up about .1% of the crude oil that the United States
uses.  

What about the millions of barrels of oil that are thrown away by the huge,
out-dated, pig-headed industries that could save money in the long term if
they'd get their heads out of their asses and retool.  Don't you dare target
the consumer when it's the vast inefficiency of the industrial complex that
uses 80% or more of the oil budget.  And how much oil did we burn in Kuwait
defending our precious supply.  If you'll read anything by Amory Lovins or
even Al Gore's book (written before his candidacy) you'll come to realize
that if we just wised up and started taking oil seriously we would have more
than enough to run the American lifestyle with all it's bells and whistles
without killing our shore-lines, our wilderness and our fellow humans!


-David Iverson

It's not about freezing in the dark, it's about insulating the house!

--
diverson@phys.ksu.edu
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From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: GPS
Followup-To: rec.backcountry,rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:04:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.230231.5195@ichips.intel.com>, jreece@sousa.intel.com
(John Reece) wrote:
> 
> In article <thompson.712013589@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
> 
> > 2.  GPS fixes position by looking for satellites.  3 simultaneous fixes
> >     are needed to get a 3D fix.  In certain regions of the globe (Don't
> >     ask ME where) only two satellites are available at any one time.
> >     This generally is not a problem for boaters since they usually know
> >     their altitude, which can substitute for one satellite.  Might be a
> >     problem for mountain travellers, however.
> 
> It may be a while before all the planned satellites are up.  I just read
> in the San Francisco Guardian (a freebie leftist rag) about two peace
> activists who are awaiting sentencing for smashing up a couple of the 
> satellites down at the Rockwell plant.  The article is a classic example
> of journalism as cheerleading, and it's really a scream the way they 
> ignore the civilian uses and righteously mischaracterize the military ones 
> to justify themselves.

It's not all that important, but for the sake of accuracy, you should know
that a GPS 3D fix requires four satellites; a 2D (Lat-Long) fix requires
three satellites.  The system measures time differences (sort of like
Loran).  The variation in the number of viewable satellites is a function
of both location and time, since the satellites are not fixed in position,
like communication satellites, but actually move with respect to the
viewer.

-Pete
  
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: vsh@etnibsd.uucp (Steve Harris)
Subject: Re: Summery of Nike fabic boots, story, and more fabric boot questions
Organization: Eaton Corp, Semiconductor Equipment Div., Beverly, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:41:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.024638.12491@ulowell.ulowell.edu> jrichard@cs.ulowell.edu (John 'MacGyver' Richardson) writes:
>
> [ request for suggestions re: hiking boots ]

Well, since you're in the New England area, you owe it to yourself to
visit the Limmer boot factory in Intervale, NH (just beyond North
Conway).  They make custom fitted boots at very reasonable prices.  The
boots are famous throughout the White Mtns.  I've had my pair for 10+
years, through several resolings, and they're still going strong (well,
Peter Limmer did say I could not expect to get many more resolings from
this pair).

Limmer boots are your basic heavy leather hiking boot.  I've been told
they're really based on an alpine workboot design (the Limmer family is
originally from Austria).  Which may be why they're the first choice of
AMC trail crews and hut workers.  (The other reason is, of course, that
the AMC crews don't have to wait 9 months for their boots to be ready!
-- Hey, 9 months isn't so bad; several years ago, the NY Times ran an
article on the Limmers and the wait went up to 2.5 years!  But the
price did not change!)

However, Limmers have been criticized for being work boots, not hiking
boots.  I wouldn't know, I like mine just fine, thank you.

I don't know what a new pair of Limmers costs today -- they're not
cheap, but they're worth every penny you pay.  If your feet are fairly
normally proportioned, you may want to look at the ready-made boots
they have, built to their specs on standard lasts by bootmakers in
Austria.

Even if you don't buy, you should visit their shop when in the North
Conway area.  They're open Tues-Sat, 8-12 and 1-5 (as I recall, call
ahead to be sure).  It's still a family business, and they always close
for lunch.  The walls of the shop are covered with photographs of
Limmer boots in high places from around the world.

If you do plan to have your feet measured, be sure to have the socks
you will be wearing with you.  A friend recently bought a new pair and
she had the measurements taken with polypro liner socks, heavy wool
socks, orthodic supports, and thin foam foot cushions (Spenco?).  I
wish I could fit a thin foam insole in mine, but they're made to fit my
foot, and there ain't no room!
-- 
... Steve Harris - Eaton Corp. - Beverly, MA - uunet!etnibsd!vsh
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From: dirk@wheeler.unr.edu (Dirk Cockrum)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: GPS
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:41:41 GMT
Reply-To: dirk@wheeler.unr.edu (Dirk Cockrum)
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

In article <1992Jul21.213238.20837@lsil.com> gascan@dcst16.dc writes:
>GPS stands for Global Positioning Satellite. 

GPS stands for Golbal Positioning System.  

Dirk Cockrum
DRI, UNR
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From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Subject: Re: no tent works 3 days in the rain
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:00:07 GMT


In article <jstewart.711775861@cunews>, jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes...
>People who have to live in the bush for weeks/months at a time have
>traditionally used canvas tents which would generally have enough height
>to stand in and be equipped with a small wood burning stove
>(a rather dubious proposition in a nylon tent) for cooking and drying 
>clothing.
Actually, Mountainsmith made nylon tents at one time with a
woodburning stove option.  Not sure how successful they were, or
if MS still makes them.  Looked like the hot setup for winter stuff though.

	Randy Marks
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From: shimizu@unix.SRI.COM (Dan Shimizu)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Backpacking in the BA?
Summary: Looking for backpacking sites...
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:50:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

Hi,

I'm looking for reccomendations for backpacking sites in the Bay Area.
I wanted to go down to Big Basin, but they only had a camp site 10 miles
away open, and I'm not quite ready for a 20 mile hike in one weekend.
I just want to go on a weekend trip (less than 15 miles round trip)
have some fun, test out some packs and equipment, etc. Any one
know of any sites?

Thanks,
DAN

shimizu@unix.sri.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: GPS
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:33:09 GMT

There has been some extensive discussions of GPS technology and the
pros / cons of the current policy of degrading service for civilian
use on rec.boats.  Since many boaters use GPS, and since there are
quite a few handheld units advertised in boating mags (with prices
around $999), you might get some good feedback on GPS by looking at
this group.

Some info from recent threads on rec.boats:

1.  The "low" accuracy civilian signal is still precise to about 100 yds.

2.  GPS fixes position by looking for satellites.  3 simultaneous fixes
    are needed to get a 3D fix.  In certain regions of the globe (Don't
    ask ME where) only two satellites are available at any one time.
    This generally is not a problem for boaters since they usually know
    their altitude, which can substitute for one satellite.  Might be a
    problem for mountain travellers, however.

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: zygak@lonex.rl.af.mil (Kathleen J. Zyga)
Subject: Outward Bound...
Originator: zygak@lonexb.rl.af.mil
Organization: RL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:36:33 GMT

Hello --

I'm looking for a contact for an "Outward Bound" or similar course that will
be offered in the Northeast (preferable New England states).  Does anyone
have any info on this?  Has anyone taken this type of course and would like
to relate their story?

Thanks,
Kathleen
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From: phil@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Backpacking in the BA?
Summary: Looking for backpacking sites...
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:07:56 GMT

In article <37102@unix.SRI.COM> shimizu@unix.SRI.COM (Dan Shimizu) writes:

>Hi,

>I'm looking for reccomendations for backpacking sites in the Bay Area.
>I wanted to go down to Big Basin, but they only had a camp site 10 miles
>away open, and I'm not quite ready for a 20 mile hike in one weekend.
>I just want to go on a weekend trip (less than 15 miles round trip)
>have some fun, test out some packs and equipment, etc. Any one
>know of any sites?

>Thanks,
>DAN

>shimizu@unix.sri.com


	You might look at Henery Coe State Park in the Santa Clara Valley. 
The Park is located "EAST" of Morgan Hill about 15 miles. The area comprises 
an advertised 100 sq miles. I rode my mule there about three years ago, saw 
a lot of mountain bikers and backpackers. Further back the country got 
rougher. There were no bikers. There were small streams in several valleys 
so water was not scarce. The area is arid however and I would characterize 
it as rolling to mountainous (low) grass lands with oaks and scrub oaks.
	South of Monterey is the Los Padres National Forest. The forest 
extends to Los Angles with some breaks. Terrain is steep mountainous varying 
from costal redwoods to sonoran climate. Water is available but is sometimes 
far apart. This forest surrounds the rugged Ventana Wilderness.
From: js0998@future.sbc.com (Cam Spillman)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Dutch Ovens in the backcountry
Keywords: cookbooks, favorite recipes, and tips
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: js0998@future.UUCP (Cam Spillman)
Organization: Southwestern Bell Telephone - Finance Department

In article <63905@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt3930b@prism.gatech.EDU (NICHOLS,STEVEN MALCOLM) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I recently got a dutch oven and I was wondering if anyone else out there
>uses one.  [...]
>I imagine I'll be
>using mine on canoeing/rafting trips, and perhaps car camping in primitive
>campgrounds.  

A word of advice from an old Boy Scout friend of mine.  When backpacking
with a dutch oven, it's important to remember... pack it with the pointy
little legs AWAY from your back  ;')
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,misc.rural
From: rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Rick Spanbauer)
Subject: Re: Goin' to Alaska
Keywords: Alaska
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:33:22 GMT

My wife, kid, and I are going to Alaska this summer too.  Seems quite
a few netfolk are!  I am curious - how many others are planning trips
to Alaska this summer?

We will probably spend most of our time in the Fairbanks/Denali area.

					Rick Spanbauer
					SUNY/Stony Brook