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From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Magnet schools
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:11:06 GMT

In article <00727750886@elgamy.jpunix.com> elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
>From article <C15z8v.LpJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin):
>> Why not producing Rhodes Scholars?  The tenements of the first part of this
>> century, and the current Asian refugees may not produce Rhodes Scholars, but
>> they did not seem to have much of a problem in producing scholars.

>First of all: the current Asian refugees hitting Houston are primarily
>uneducated peasants, and their children are doing about as well in the
>Houston public schools as the great-great-grandchildren of ex-slaves and
>the children of ex-Mexicans. I.e., not too well. The myth of the
>super-achiever Asian children is just that, a myth. It holds true with
>Asian children whose parents were originally of middle-class merchant
>background, but not true of Asians from peasant backgrounds.

Would you then say that this is evidence that the poor average performance
of other minority children (such as blacks and hispanics) is primarily due
to economic rather than racist causes?

>I would like to produce Rhodes Scholars as much as anybody. However, when I
>see 6th graders who cannot read, I prefer to think that perhaps we'd be
>better first getting those 6th graders reading at the 6th grade level, and
>only THEN start thinking about producing Rhodes Scholars.

If that's where your sights are pointed, then that's about as far as you are
likely to get.

>Besides, we really don't know how to produce Rhodes Scholars. The basic
>techniques for producing adequately-educated people are well know, 

If so, then why are they not applied by the current education system?

>but
>nobody really knows how to teach creativity or flexibility or how to be an
>effective thinker.

Oh come on.  Lots of people know how to do these things.  It's just that
nobody working for the schools of education knows.

>Still, we know how to give ghetto kids an acceptable education despite
>their supposed "handicap". We ought to do it.

Do "we"?  Do tell?

--Brian

Newsgroups: misc.education
From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:49:29 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Thinking and learning speed; curriculum
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <C10A94.z6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin):
> Even worse than forcing children to learn slowly is the almost insistence
> on not requiring thinking, especially precise thinking, and the consequent
> avoidance of the concepts and understanding.

Precise thinking is typically avoided simply because most teachers don't
know much about topics that require precise thinking.

That's why I like teaching science to my youngsters. I have to make up
grades for our discussions in order to satisfy the state flunkies, but we
can talk about "fun stuff". For example, I twirled a tennis ball around my
head, tied to the end of a string, and asked them what would happen if I
let go of the string. "It'd go flying!". Then I explained that gravity
(which I'd already talked about in answer to the question "If the Earth is
round, why don't we fall off of it?") was the "string", the force or
"pull", that kept the Earth from just flying out of the solar system. "What
would happen if the Earth just went flying?" I asked. "We'd freeze!" said
one. "Why?"  "'Cause light gets dimmer the further you get from it, and the
further we got from the sun, the less light and heat we'd get."

Another kid, after I explained how the rotation of the Earth causes days
and nights and another kid mentioned the time difference between Houston
and San Francisco, this kid said "Hey! That means it'd still be light in
San Antonio for a little bit after it gets dark here!". So I pulled out the
trusty flashlight and globe, and said to him, "Well, show me." Which he
then proceeded to do. "Darn! You're right! Good work, guy!".

These are not gifted kids. These are not magnet school kids. These are
inner-city kids in a classroom for kids with behavior problems.

It does frustrate me, though, that I can't talk about the force of gravity
being proportional to mass and distance... the kids don't understand
equations, sigh.

The above lesson, by the way, got only lukewarm response from the
administrator who was observing me. "You didn't properly address your
objective for the day," she said. Whoops!

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.jpunix.com   Dodson Elementary
 (713) 664-6446                             Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:45:53 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.education
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <C162nE.JJD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin):
>>|> -- "nobody ever told you that your kids couldn't fly." I have an autistic
>>|> kid in my class who is learning 4th grade math. Can't solve word problems
>>|> worth a flip -- he doesn't have the receptive language for that -- but he's
>>|> learning 4th grade math.
>
> What does this mean?  He can learn to do the mechanical operations which
> have been so designated?

Well, he can also look at geometric figures of known size and write down
what sequence of operations would be needed to find the volume or area of
each. He can pretty much do any problem that the other kids can do -- you
just have to transfer it into concrete terms first, rather than him being
able to look at the printed page and figure it out.

Thus if you're saying "Gus has 50c, gives 3c to Georgia and takes 4c from
Ralph, how much money does Gus has now", well, you'll have to draw a
picture showing 3c going to Georgia and 4c coming from Ralph, explain to
him what is happening, and probably give him actual coins too.

Receptive language difficulties are the norm with autistic children.
Federal law mandates modifications like I mention above, and the kid's
mother will sue if you don't implement them.

> As someone who deals with students and others on problems of mathematics and
> statistics, the ability to formulate word problems is what counts.  This can
> be taught formally, and a lot more would be able to do it, but it has nothing
> to do with carrying out manipulations.  This holds at every level below the
> mathematics research level, but few of today's high school students even get
> much of it.  It is the mathematical analog of reading and writing.

"word problems" don't have to be done solely with words.

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.jpunix.com   Dodson Elementary
 (713) 664-6446                             Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"
Newsgroups: misc.education,sci.edu,misc.kids
From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Re: memory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:46:24 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <C1JBBw.6CL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.160255.10176@midway.uchicago.edu> awl1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>as a student, I am interested to know what is the best way to keep what I learn from science textbooks in my memory ( not a cramming-for-tests memory, but long term memory)
>
>I doubt that anyone really knows; I have found that in at least one case
>(German) I retained the material much better than I thought I would, even
>with years of total disuse.
>
>I might suggest that any facts be related to structure and concepts.  Are
>concepts, once learned, ever forgotten?  It is extremely difficult to test
>this.

Yeah, I agree.  As I'm sure any mathematician knows, it takes far less 
"knowledge" or "memory" or whatever if one learns the concept because he
understands it rather than memorizes it.  And, I'll take this even one 
step further:  When I went to graduate school, my "concept" learning
method occasionally broke down; I actually forgot a few concepts.  Although
I'm not sure this is true, I suspected it was because I was being exposed
to more information in a shorter period of time than ever before.  Further,
I theorized that, since I had this new concentration of information, my
brain wasn't going to retain even a concept unless it was "ready" or
"uncluttered".  The adjustment I made was to make sure that I was "ready"
when I needed to learn, making a conscious effort to turn off the background
stuff I was thinking of.  This sounds a lot like concentration problems, 
but I don't think it was that; maybe my brain was working on these other
things subconsciously and the problem I had was like static on AM radio.

Although I don't completely understand what was happening (could you figure
that out?!), it did teach me that I learned a lot better when I made
myself "ready".  Anyone got any thoughts on that or can anyone put what
I said in a more scientific light?

Hell, maybe I'm just getting old.

Jeff         wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
From: bashamb@partial.cs.colorado.edu (BASHAM BRYAN DUANE)
Subject: Female Housemate wanted
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:37:21 GMT

My roommate, Jane, and I are looking for a third roommate.
The unit is a three bedroom unit of a tri-plex in SouthEast
Boulder (with access to the 203 and 206 bus lines).

We are looking for a non-smoking female.  No pets are allowed
by the landlord.  Rent is $350 plus three way split of the
utilities.  There is also a $350 deposit.  You should be willing
to sign a lease through the end of June.  The room is available
as of Feb. 15.

If interested, please contact Bryan or Jane at 494-2177 or
send EMail to me (Bryan).

Thanks
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: rodrigul@ibg.colorado.edu (Larry Rodriguez)
Subject: For Sale: Woman's London Fog coat
Organization: IBG, University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:37:21 GMT

I posted this message earlier , but left the wrong address to respond
to.  So, here goes again.

My wife wants to sell her London Fog trenchcoat.  It is a size 8
regular, but seems to be a bit narrow in the shoulders.  The coat has
a detachable hood, and a zip-in-out liner.  The color is light tan.  
The coat is in excellent condition (no spots, tears, very clean).  The coat
orignally came with a belt/sash, but this is missing.  She is asking
$30 for it.  Anyone interested can call our home in Boulder
(786-1612), or respond via email to  

rodrigul@abacus.colorado.edu

Thanks

Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: worobec@spot.Colorado.EDU (WOROBEC MICHAEL)
Subject: sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:05:59 GMT


                  FOR SALE:


        Trek 420 touring, ridden less than 100 miles, 
                          all accessories, $300

        Yamaha twin-12 100-watt musical instrument amp, $150.
        
        Bauer Inline Skates, brand-new condition, size 10, $90.
    
        Sony portable telephone, $45.

        Snow tires (4) 155-12's, studded, only 2K miles, $140.

	Sigma (Martin) acoustic guitar, well-seasoned, mellow, 
                       great action, perfect condition, hard case $200.


        Contact: Mike Worobec 303-545-9688 (Boulder)


        
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From: jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley)
Newsgroups: boulder.general,co.general,misc.jobs.offered,nyx.misc
Subject: Technical Writer position available, Boulder, CO
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:36:47 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

CliniCom Incorporated, a supplier of health care information systems 
located in Boulder, Colorado, is seeking a full-time technical writer.

Obviously, outstanding writing and editing skills are required, including
the ability to make very technical information (UNIX system and database
administration, installation of complex hardware, etc.) comprehensible
to clients. 

Must be able to work independently, but interpersonal skills are a must:
you'll be interviewing software and hardware developers, reporting to a
team leader, and helping design and review CliniCom's documentation at 
every stage.

A degree in English, Journalism, or Technical Writing is desired. Working
knowledge of FrameMaker (we use the X/Motif version) is required.

Send your resume, writing samples, and salary requirements to:

CliniCom Incorporated
Dept RR/AF
4720 Walnut Street, Suite 106
Boulder, CO 80301

No phone calls please. 
Newsgroups: boulder.general,alt.personals
From: serbrisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Diego Serebrisky)
Subject: Boulder, CO. Looking for a conversation partner.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:37:45 GMT

Hi!
I'm a male student from Venezuela looking for a conversation partner.
I need someone with whom I can meet on a regular basis to talk and
practice my not-so-good English.
Beside talking, we can do other things like go out, go to the movies,
hiking, etc.
You can be of any age, race or sex.
I'm white, single and in my 20's.

If you're interested (and you live in or near Boulder), please reply me.

Diego.
-- 
+-------------------------------+
! Diego Serebrisky		! Still no ideas!
! (serbrisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU)	!   and it's '93.
! Boulder, Colorado		!
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: martind@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MartinDan Martin)
Subject: Pioneer Receiver for Sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:21:23 GMT



I have a Pioneer Stereo Receiver Model SX-450 I would like to sell.
It is fairly old (late 70s), but nice and in perfect condition.  I
am asking $75 + shipping.

If you are interested, email me at:

martind@spot.colorado.edu
~
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: rodrigul@ibg.colorado.edu (Larry Rodriguez)
Subject: For Sale: Woman's London Fog coat
Organization: IBG, University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:35:00 GMT


My wife would like to sell her London Fog trenchcoat.  It is in
excellent condition (worn only a few times), and has a detachable
hood, and a zip-in-zip-out liner for colder weather.  The size of the
coat is an 8 regular.  The color is light tan.  The coat originally
came with a belt/sash, but that is missing.  She is asking $30 for the
coat.  

Anyone who is interested should resond to this email address:

rodrigul@abacus.coloradu.edu 


























Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: boggs@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Adam Boggs)
Subject: For Sale: VCR and RC Car
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:36:49 GMT

For Sale:

	VCR-
	   Works great, 2 pieces (great for video cameras so you don't have
	   to lug a whole VCR around, if you camera doesn't have one built
	   in), 13 channel tuner, wired remote, can program a record time
	   in for up to a week later (on and off times), LED clock, etc.
Asking $150. Leave mail if interested, or call 443-0408 for info.

	R/C Monster Truck-
	   USA-1, quick charger, 2 batteries, 4 front oil-filled shocks, 
	   aluminum hubs.  Plus extra parts (screws, engine covers, shocks,
	   springs, lubricants, etc).
Asking $200, obo. Leave mail or call above number, too.

	For an extra $30, you can have a whole bunch of R/C car parts, too!
	(Includes servos, fiberglass chassis with wheels, stock engine, 
	Attack-sport radio, receivers, speed control, 2 old bodies, and
	tons of magazines.)

-Adam Boggs

boggs@alumni.cs.colorado.edu
or
boggs@bvsd.co.edu

Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: tnickles@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Tim Nickles)
Subject: New Pre Skis sale, 200 cm, boulder
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:07:41 GMT

 I have a pair of Pre M 5.3's with salomon 747 equipe bindings mounted
on them (fit size 8.5 - 11.5 boots) that I want to sell.  The skis are
200 cm (too short for me) and I've skied them twice (they are 1993 skis).
They are an aggressive ski with a slalom side cut, wood core, and a fast
base.  A very fun ski (I wish they were 205's).  The skis cost me $425
(which was $50 off retail) and the bindings I had owned previously.
I'd like to get $300 for them but will accept offers.
My home phone (ev.) is 939-8120 and day is 492-7108. Call me.
Tim Nickles
   
Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: pcb@clinicom.com (Peter Bohne)
Subject: WANT TO RENT CONDO
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:04:18 GMT
Organization: CliniCom Incorporated, Boulder, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


Greetings NetNewsFolks!

I'm looking for a (reasonably priced) small (1 bedroom) condo
to rent somewhere in the general Vail area on Sat. nite Jan. 30.
The closer to Vail the better, but I'll look at anything in the 
vicinity, including Copper Mt, Breckenridge, etc.  Even a 2-BR
would be OK, provided the rate is affordable.  The renters would
be 2 very responsible folks.  So how about it?  Any owners out
there who'd like to make some extra cash next weekend??

Please give me a call if you can help me out (or e-mail).

Thanks VERY much in advance.

pete
,-----------------------------pcb@clinicom.com-------------------------------.
| Peter Bohne       |   ----     O  |            "...what is good, Phaedrus, |
| 303/443-1726 x223 |  ----    </\_ |    ,__o     and what is not good? Need |
| CliniCom, Boulder | ----   -\/\   |   _\_<,       we ask anyone to tell us |
|                   |  ----    /_   | (*)/'(*)       these things?..."       |
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Newsgroups: boulder.general
From: worobec@spot.Colorado.EDU (WOROBEC MICHAEL)
Subject: Sale
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:18:44 GMT


                  FOR SALE:


        Trek 420 touring, ridden less than 100 miles, 
                          all accessories, $300

        Yamaha twin-12 100-watt musical instrument amp, $150.
        
        Bauer Inline Skates, brand-new condition, size 10, $90.
    
        Sony portable telephone, $45.

        Snow tires (4) 155-12's, studded, only 2K miles, $140.

	Sigma (Martin) acoustic guitar, well-seasoned, mellow, 
                       great action, perfect condition, hard case $200.


        Contact: Mike Worobec 303-545-9688 (Boulder)


        
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
From: raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz)
Subject: When is the next meeting?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: austin
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:53:03 GMT

When is the next meeting scheduled to occur?  Well, `public` meeting,
that is.  I'd be interested in showing up, and lending my two cents
worth to the ... uh ... debate about hardware, etcetera, ad nauseam.

Also, I'd like to suggest that whoever is designing the hardware aspect
of the proposed system look into a VESA Local Bus system.  Simply put,
it's *fast* and - IMHO - would handle anything that you could ask of it.
And they're not very expensive either.  Personally, I don't think there
is a micro/mini computer in existance that could keep up with it in
terms of I/O processing.  (In comparison, a local bus transfers at
133 MB/sec, EISA 32MB/sec, and ISA 5MB/sec).  A 1MB/sec 'Net connection
would be *nothing* for something with this I/O power.

Just my $0.02 worth,

-- 
ttyl,    | "..sleep my friend, and you will see, the dream is my reality.." |
Eli Boaz +--------------\     -- Metallica, Welcome Home (Sanitarium)       |
raistlin@wixer.cactus.org\ All opinions are mine, unless you want them too. |
cactus.org!wixer!raistlin \-------------------------------------------------+
From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Various Responses
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:53:25 GMT
	<1993Jan18.163617.27555@dogface.austin.tx.us>
	<1993Jan19.070304.12972@wixer.cactus.org>
Distribution: austin
Organization: UT-Austin, Department of Petroleum Engineering
In-reply-to: george@wixer.cactus.org's message of 19 Jan 93 02:03:04 EST

George =  article <1993Jan19.070304.12972@wixer.cactus.org>
    george@wixer.cactus.org (George Wenzel)

Bob = article <1993Jan18.163617.27555@dogface.austin.tx.us>
    bei@dogface.austin.tx.us (Bob Izenberg)

Bob> Okay, this is probably all the bile that we can wring out of this
Bob> topic.  Take it to email, please, guys.

George> I apologise for the unbecoming display of nerdy manliness...  
George> So, lets get something moving!

I agree, and I think George and I have made some progress in
discussing one side of the project that I believe he can be of
enormous assistance in.

Chris
--
| Chris Petrilli
| petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu, petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu
| All opinions are my own, if they even belong to anyone.
From: jc@underg.ucf.org (Mike Herman)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: january meeting impression
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:46:53 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

I was at the january meeting

I was the guy sitting on Lisa left that looked
real confused the whole time  :)

Anyway one thing that I did not get to say 
was that I would like to offer my time and
knowledge.

Im not an expert computer jock, but I am more than
willing to help out in any way that I can.

My main impression was that there is too much 
disagreement among  everyone.  

JC


--
jc@underg.ucf.org (Mike Herman)
From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Re: Various Responses
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:51:37 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli) writes:

> I agree, and I think George and I have made some progress in
> discussing one side of the project that I believe he can be of
> enormous assistance in.

What side of the project is that?

                                          -= Max =-

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From: max@underg.ucf.org (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: austin.public-net
Subject: Organization and Decision Making
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:38:32 CST
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation


When I first suggested the idea for the Austin Public Net newsgroup, and
began talking up the idea for public Internet access for Austin I had
envisioned a more democratic approach to control of this public resource.

Here is my proposal for the current board to consider:

Before a meeting anyone can submit a written proposal for consideration.
There should be a cut off date of say two weeks prior to the meeting. This
would allow time for everyone to consider the item and discuss it. Also
a small amout of time to discuss it online. Perhaps there could be some
time at the meeting to discuss the proposals as well. There probably should
be a cut off time as well, say 15 minutes for each proposal or whatever.
This could be adjusted depending on how many there were. Then a vote could
be taken of all those present with the majority rule.

This would prevent the image of APN being an individual's or a small group's
personal bbs project and allow wider community involvement.

Not that I mind terrribly that someone else provides me with free Internet
access, but I just thought it would be neat if it were more of a community
project.

Any comments?

                                          -= Max =-

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