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From: moinard@irisa.fr (Yves Moinard)
Subject:  Vendee Globe, short info
Reply-To: moinard@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA, Rennes, France
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:18:06 GMT


What is true one day is false the next day.
In fact, it was false when I got the info and posted it.

When I use the present (``is'', ``now''...), read:    17 december,
european daytime, or earlier.
Still no exact positions available, sorry.

Alain Gautier negotiated very well the high pressures around Saint-Helen Island 
(which apparently are larger than usual).
In one day, he won 120 nm against  Bertrand de Broc, 
sailing at 8-10 knots versus 2 or 3. Now 150 nm separate these two leaders.
Nandor Fa, the third one, is still in a very good position, 
apparently 150 nm behind BdB.
Philippe Poupon and Jean-Luc Van den Heede are close together and make a good progression, contrary to Bernard Gallay.
The last one, Yves Parlier has got wind, at last, but he is still about 2000 nm 
from the leaders.
I think he has crossed the equator now.

Please excuse some possible inaccuracy, and the lack of specific news about the other 
skippers. The media coverage is very weak, even in France (even in Britany!).



From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:30:09 GMT
Subject: Re: A sailing problem
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
 
    I started taking my (almost) 4 year old daughter sailing with me late
    last summer (before that, I didn't own a sailboat.)  It seems to me
    that the wisdom of doing so varies a lot with the circumstances, and
    that it is ok in my case.  But, I'm open to others' reactions.
 
    The facts:
      .....7 facts deleted... 
    Am I crazy?

I'm not qualified to give an opinion as to your general state of mind
but it sounds to me like you and your daughter are not doing anything
unsafe, and that you are both having a blast. 

I might suggest that you enroll your daughter in swimming classes.
She is about old enough and proper help is so much better than being
taught by a relative.

One caveat:  Since my wife and I spent so much time at the lakes, we
decided to send our kids to swimming lessons so that they would be
drown-resistant (don't let anyone tell you that the Red Cross term
"drownproof" is valid).  Then the local swim-club coach spotted them
and they were basically lost to sailing.  For years, we spent whole
weekends in swimming pools watching kids swim back and forth (have you
ever sat in a launderette and watched your clothes go round...?).  I
will not claim that it spoiled our sailing, but it came darn close.

Actually, both boys worked incredibly hard at swimming so we gave them
our full support.  It was our choice.

B.S!
From: lev@cs.umd.edu (Lev Novik)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Global Positioning Systems.
Date: 21 Dec 92 05:30:54 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Has anyone ever heard of the Global Positioning System?
Does anyone have any idea how much a receiver costs and what the accuracy is?
Where can one obtain one?

Please e-mail any responses.

	--Lev Novik
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Automatic or manual transmission for towing?
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:30:46 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <3479@voodoo.UUCP>, tomm@voodoo.boeing.com (Tom Mackey) writes:
> ............ 
> transmission, but I'd recommend front wheel drive just because it keeps
> your drive wheels out of the slippery stuff at the launch ramps.


  Yes, but if you DO tow with a front wheel drive vehicle, make sure that
  there is still a decent amount of weight over the front wheels, using a 
  weight-distributing hitch if necessary.

  greg pavlov
  pavlov@fstrf.org
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Radio Checks
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:41:52 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Dec18.174510.3049@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>(John gives good advice for doing radio checks on channel 9 in New England)

Can someone explain the proper use of ch9 and ch16, at least in the
New England area?

This summer was the first year I sailed boats equiped with VHF radios.
We were always using ch16 in Boston Harbor.  At one point I was in
instructed that ch9 is now the proper hailing channel for making
contact, etc.  It seems that just about everyone around here is still
using ch16 though.  Now I'm confused.  Please help.  Being an ex-ham
radio operator, I understand and respect radio resources and want to
learn to use them properly.


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From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Confused (was: Zincs on boats)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:30:02 GMT

In article <1girguINNlgv@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington) writes:

>  Where is the path for current flow?  

There are many people who do not bond their through hulls.  Assuming that
the return path is cut off.  However, I understand that the copper in our
bottom paint can act as a conductor!

The best solution I have seen is to use a seperate zinc for groups of
through hulls.  The effective range of a zinc is supposidly about 3' to 5'.
Thus the zinc on your prop does not protect the bronze seacock in the head
up forward.  

Some literature suggests that while bonding and proper zincs is better than
bonding without zincs, being unbonded is only marginally worse in most
cases.

As for the ground wire for 110V AC the ABYC requires all modern boats
connect the green wire from the 110V AC to the DC groundplane and thus the
water.  The solution to being electricuted is to provide GFI protection to
all AC outlets on the boat.  It is permissible to add one of these 'zinc
protectors' between the AC ground and DC ground.  I assume it is basically a
diode or something.  A diode pair of diodes in opposite directions acts as a
block for small offsets (of the order of 0.6V) but if the grounds become
offset by more than this value it conducts with low resistance.


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Chartering in the Grenadines
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:52:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA


  If you have some heavy weather sailing under your belt the Moorings
base in Grenada is excellent all year long. You can expect ocean type
sailing and be close to the islands. 25 knots and 15 foot seas down to
the kind of weather you see in the Virgins. Could be the most challanging
base that Moorings operates!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Zincs on boats
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:57:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.191624.4800@progress.com>, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
|> mmp@mmp.UUCP (Lou McIntosh) writes:
|> >  
|> >        I don't see anything wrong with Marelon, as long as not only the 
|> > fitting but the attached hoses are mechanically isolated (and, at least for
|> > the smaller sizes, protected from being stepped on in the course of one's 
|> > descent into the machinery spaces ...) -- one of the advantages of Marelon
|> > in wooden hulls is that because it doesn't transmit heat as well as metal, 
|> > it doesn't tend to condense moisture out of the humid interior air of the 
|> > boat and deposit it on the adjacent hull -- which in my experience is one of
|> > the more frequent causes of rot near through-hulls.  (I suspect that the 
|> > notorious "electrolytic rot" is mostly rot from condensate -- any other 
|> > thoughts out there on this question?)
|> 
|> I've no real experience with wooden boats but I have heard over and over 
|> that anywhere metal contacts wood is a prime rot spot.  In addition I've
|> read that the by products of electrolysis can chemically digest wood.
|> I'll look this up though so I get the story straight.

     I've heard the same. I've also heard( and seen ) the connecting plate of
     a sacrificial zinc plate actually BURN the wood surrounding the
     connecting plate! The wood around the plate was completely black.
     Something to be careful of - you can never trust electrolysis! :)

|>  
|> cheers,
|> gerard
|> 

Scott
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From: alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan Yelvington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Coast Guard Feedback
Keywords: TQM
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:18:07 GMT

The Coast Guard has been working on their public relations,
so I'll try and find out what their feedback process is.

Give me a little time and I'll put it on the net.

As for your "worse case scenarios", I would recommend that you
contact you federal representative and complain.  Have the name
of the cutter, boarding officer, and as much information as 
possible to help isolate the incident.

thanks again,

al
From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Radio Checks
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:31:45 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: questor.sw.stratus.com

In article <1h20rgINNggk@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>
>In the First District(which is something like Block Island, RI to Eastport, ME),the hailing channel is now CH 9. CH 16 is reserved for distress and safety
>calls, e.g., MAYDAY, SECURITE, etc.  Commercial vessels must monitor (and 
>here my memory is hazy) both 9 and 16. The Coast Guard monitors 16, of course.
>

Gee, I guess it would worthwhile to half a VHF with scanner capability
now.  I would want to monitor both.  





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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: pete@frosty.Rational.COM (Pete Coe)
Subject: Sailing holidays
Summary: dinghy holidays
Keywords: dinghy,cats,hobie
Organization: Rational
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:57:52 GMT

Can anyone recommend companies and locations for sailing holidays.  I am
looking for places that provide free watersports.  I am interested 
primarily in dinghies and small cats (such as Hobie's and Dart's) as well as
Windsurfing.  Last year I had a very enjoyable holiday in Turkey with SunSail.
I would definitely recommend them, but as I now am based on the U.S. west coast
I was looking for something a little nearer, such as Cancun, Baja or maybe
Hawaii.  

	Thanks in advance.
--

-- Pete Coe
-- Rational
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From: mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~)
Subject: Re: Request for opinions: Cruising and fishing for food
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:59:32 GMT

In article <k4l28sa@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.083434.14889@ulrik.uio.no> alicer@gimli.uio.no (Alice Rossmann) writes:

	******* discussion deleted to save bandwidth ******


>catching fish (w/line or spear) for personal consumption might be allowed,
>but selling/trading the catch could be illegal. Is it reasonable to assume
>that catching for personal consumption is illegal in some waters?
>
>thanks
>
>barry
>

It is now illegal to fish in Oregon waters without a valid fishing 
license.  I don't know about other states and how they handle this,
but in Oregon that includes ocean waters out to 2(?) miles.  I may
be wrong about the distance from shore, and as always, its only illegal
if you get caught.  It's hard to prove you've taken a fish if you
have eaten it and in most places in the U.S. there are not sufficient
monetary resources to provide funds for checking boats for an illegal
fish or two.

The exception to the above statement, of course, is commercial fishing
boats, but even we are not checked very often (twice in the past 10 years of 
commercial and *sport* fishing).  

You also might want to be aware of the fact that if you are boarded by
the U.S. Coast Guard they will *not* be looking for a stray ill-gotten
fish or two.  The three times that I've been boarded by the Coasties
all they have been interested in checking is for safety equiptment and
drugs.

				Fish to Live, Live to Fish
				   'Fish Assassin' Mark
				     Pacific City, OR
From: jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Celestial vs. GPS (was Re: Bermuda Trip - 7/'93)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:51:17 GMT
Organization: British Telecommunications plc

In article <wwalker-091292102117@bwalker.qualcomm.com>, wwalker@qualcomm.com
(Bill Walker) writes:

> The December issue of Cruising World has a gear survey of the participants
> in Europa '92, the recently-completed, 15-month, round the world rally for
> cruisers.  They report the following, which I consider shocking:
> 
> "While everyone looked well prepared to do their navigation with the help
> of heavenly bodies [sextant, reduction tables and almanac were required
> equipment on the rally], on the majority of boats offshore navigation was
> left entirely to the GPS or SatNav, while the sextants gathered dust in a
> locker.  Most skippers admitted that they carried their sextants primarily
> for emergency use and only about half made a point of taking a sight
> occasionally, either to keep up their skill or just for their own
> pleasure....
> 
> "Among those totally dependant on GPS was Peter Bunting of _Gulkarna II_. 
> `I'm horrified to find that I'm not using the sextant at all.  A friend
> warned me I wouldn't use it and it's true!  We are the first generation of
> sailors to use GPS exclusively.'  Marcello Murzilli of _Cheone_ agreed:
> `Before all this I sued to work out our position every hour, now we rely
> 100 percent on the GPS.'"
> 
> I think many of these sailors would have been in serious trouble if they
> had had power problems or GPS failures.

I'm not convinced this is a bad thing. If the crew did not know how to use
a sextant & tables, then *that* would be shocking. I would have thought plotting
GPS fixes regularly would give a good basis for Dead Reckoning and sextant
navigation to be started if the GPS did fail.

John C Sager					Mail:	B67 G18, BT Labs
Email:	jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk				Martlesham Heath
Tel:	+44 473 642623					IPSWICH  IP5 7RE
Fax:	+44 473 637614					England
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bmyers@tc.fluke.COM (Bob Myers)
Subject: Alpha I Stern Drive Question
Keywords: Maintenance problems curiosities Mercruiser
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:50:12 GMT


Has anybody seen this before?

The Corbett II is powered by a 260 HP Mercruiser Alpha One stern
drive.  It's a 1990 model with 91 hours.

When warming it up yesterday, I noticed something unusual.  Shortly after starting, while idling, some of the bubbles 
churned by by the exhaust contained some sort of oil or gas.  As
they burst they created tiny sheens on the water.

This was most noticable at 1200 rpm with the engine cold.  It
virtually went away when the engine warmed up and/or at lower 
and higher revs.

I last serviced the drive late last summer and all seemed well. 

Last time I ran the boat at speed, there were no problems.  Running the drive at the dock in forward or reverse causes no unusual sights nor sounds.

My speculation is that the bubbles are caused buy either miscellaneous engine oil being blown through the exhaust when the engine is cold (and hasn't been run for a week or more) and/or gas from the rich mixture at cold start.

Anybody have any thoughts on this curiosity?

Thanks in advance.
-- 




"When I am inaccurate, I am definitively inaccurate."

Bob Myers
bmyers@tc.fluke.COM
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:00:53 GMT
Subject: Re: British Steel results 17 DEC 92.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes:

      Any thoughts of New Years Eve in Hobart,
    a relistic possiblility given favorable winds lie 15000 feet under the
    Southern Ocean [ed: What??] at a little spot called 56 degrees north,
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    131 degrees west.

Try punctuating it slightly differently:
 
      Any thoughts of New Years Eve in Hobart,
    a relistic possiblility given favorable winds, lie 15000 feet under the
    Southern Ocean at a little spot called 56 degrees north,
    131 degrees west.

Now it makes good sense.  Everyone decries punctuation in these days,
but a little comma sense goes a long way :-)

Brian (still trying for my Boy Scout 'Notes-Punctuation Police'
badge) -- yeah, I did note the spelling but I'm saving that for
another time.
From: kevang@ocf.berkeley.edu (kevan G)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Anyone familiar with Roberts boat plans?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:30:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu


 
Hi there all,
 
I was in the Berkeley Book Consortium (used book store) yesterday and I came
across an interesting book.  It is a 120 page sales brochure for Bruce
Roberts home built boats.  The brochure is apparently from the early 80s
though the photos seem to be a bit older.  The boats are interesting looking
and the plans are supposedly fairly detailed.  I was wondering if any one
has experience with building their own boat, either with Roberts plans or
anyone elses?  I have heard the old adage about airplane and boat builders
(amatuer that is):  "If you want to fly/sail, buy a plane/boat.  If you want
to build, build".  Any one here done both?

BTW I called the number on the brochure and they are sending me a new one
soon.  If anyone is interested, mail me and I will send you the number and
anything else I learn.

thanks


Kevan

Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu (Brian Watson)
Subject: Eiskanal
Reply-To: mustang@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:24:40 GMT

   Hello.  My home town is Augsburg in Germany.  It is the home of the
first man made whitewater stretch used in the '72 Olympics.  I was just
wondering if anybody out there has paddled on it or any rivers around
Souther Bavaria(Loisach, Saalach, Inn, Lech.)  I would like to hear of
your adventures because I really miss paddling over there.

				Brian Watson

reply to:   mustang@hardy.u.washington.edu

			Kajak Heil!
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Canoe Racks?
From: anadig@otago.ac.nz
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:38:31 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec15.145018.7378@infonode.ingr.com>, mjo@beat.b24b.ingr.com (Michael J. Oatley) writes:
> I need advice on permanently mounted canoe roof racks, if such things
> are available.

My brother and I decided that such things weren't, or none that we liked, so we
made a couple of racks that fit on top of a pair of standard 20 x 30 mm
rectangular section roof rack bars. Mine is a pair of 2.5m long parallel 20 x
20 mm box section aluminium bars about 200mm apart with foam pipe insulation
run onto them. A pair of U sections run across them and hook down to grab the
roof rack. A couple of pieces of bar, also foam covered, make shallow U's front
and rear to grab the boat. The main bars run along the keel of the boat and
give a lot of support. The aluminium, stainless steel bolts, and foam all up
cost about $70 plus a merry afternoon assembling the thing. It only weighs a
kilo or so and just lifts off the roof rack and goes in the garage with the
kayak. This leaves the roof rack free for Other Purposes, which is sort of
handy. Recommended.


Michael(tm) Hamel

Analog Digital Instruments, Dunedin, New Zealand.
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler)
Subject: Re: cold toes
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:32:03 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <77921@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt3639d@prism.gatech.EDU (Patricia Anne Willice) writes:
>I went paddling the other day in the rain and the air temperature
>was pretty cold.  There was ice on the boats when we put on.  I
>was pretty warm except for my feet.  I was paddling an open boat.
>I had wet suit booties and a pair of wool socks inside.  But once
>they got wet, I was really cold.
>
>Any suggestions on what will keep my toes warm?
>

Wear a wool hat (under your helmet, if you're wearing one). Huh? No, really,
it works. Feet are about the first thing to get cold as your body in general
gets cold and most of the heat in your body escapes through your head.
If your feet are protected by wool and booties and are still getting cold,
your overall body temp is probably going down a little and your feet are the
first things to gripe. You can always take the hat off later if you start
to overheat.

Give it a try. It works.

	...Dave 

Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: shaw+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mary Shaw)
Subject: Re: Canoe Racks?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:21:08 GMT

We use a GMC van as a canoe vehicle, and we have permanent racks.

We build them out of Wolmanized 2x4s: 2 pieces wide enough for two
canoes for the racks, and shorter pieces for spacers to get the racks
high enough that canoes clear the roof.  We put a piece of old inner
tube under each spacer as a gasket and run bolts through the whole
thing plus the roof.  To seal the hole in the roof, we put a faucet
washer on the inside.  We position them directly over the interior 
stiffeners that are already there to support the roof.

The end-on view:
       _                            _		head of bolt (countersunk)
  =====|============================|=====	rack 	
     ##|##                        ##|##		spacers (end-on in this view)
     --|--                        --|--		inner tube
   /------------------------------------\	roof of van
       %                            %		faucet washer
       X                            X		nut

No problem with stability.  No problem with theft.  Some problem with
parking in indoor garages, but the van is so tall that a little more
hardly matters.  Cheap, too.

Oh, yeah: We get vans with little interior finish, and they have headliners
only in the cab area.  The front rack mounts just in back of that, so we
don't have to deal with anything except roof on the inside.