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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:45:32 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.BITNET>
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              19 Aug 1992 09:28:55 MDT from <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>

   The Allmusic Slang/Topic List (Revised)

   OMC: Obligatory Music Comment - Sometimes added to get non-musical posts
   posted here. Usually found at the bottom of notes.

   Frank: Frank Zappa - Musical genius, health idiot.

   Vinnie: Vinnie Colaiuta - God. God of Drums. Just plain God.

   Neil, Lars, Ringo: Neil Peart, Lars Ulrich, Ringo Starr - Bums.

   Beer Jazz: Beer Jazz - The only thing Jeff Beer (see below) listens to.
   Somewhere inbetween music and chaos. Musical chaos.

   IMHO: In My Humble Opinion - Forgotten last time, added this time.

   Flame: Abuse - (v) To flame. Flame away. Abuse me.

   Other names to know on Allmusic - Need to know to keep up with Xxxx Wars.

   RSJ: Ronald Shannon Jackson - Drum bum. Favorite of Beer.
   Elvin: Elvin Jones - Drum Geezer. Another Beer favorite.
   Toto: Toto - Musical talent beyond belief.
   Chick: Chick Corea - Fusion favorite of n.n (see below)

   And now, Allmusic Personalities, without whom, this list would bite.

   Drummer: Me - Hey, what can I say? Coined the phrase "Beer Jazz."

   Jeff Beer: Beer, Beerman - Creates the eidos of "Beer Jazz."

   n.n: Jeff "No Nick" Preston - War enemy of Jeff Beer, who battles with
   all that oppose "Beer Jazz." At Monkeyhead in Kentucky.

   Carol: Carol - Resident sex addict. Lives for sex and notes with sex.

   Roof/Hood: Tim Johnson - Resident Physics man. A regular funny guy. He'd
   be a volleyball star, if he'd jump.

   John McIntyre/WOJ: Uhhh - The two guys that know EVERYTHING there is to
   know about anything in music, except drums.

   T9AA: Dave - The guy out there in South Dakota that got flamed (see above)
   with me telling Indian jokes. Not forgotten.

   Ruxpin: Evil - GnR freak. Hasn't been heard from lately.

   Bulmer: Steve Bulmer - Bass playing mad-man. The REAL musician of the list
   who plays bass and then that stand up kind. JO-BASS.

   Russ: Russ Gelinas - Guitar man. Guitar guitar guitar.

   TLG: Mike, The Listowner Guy - Da Fuhrer of Allmusic. Makes the list
   politicly correct if at all possible.


   Topics of Allmusic over the last few months/years.

   Drum Wars XII                  Is Freddie Mercury queer?
   Fusion Wars V                  The Mini-Allmusic Party in Rhode Island
   Axl Wars III                   Occasional jokes in good/bad taste
   Guitar Tubes                   Hot Babes of Music
   Concept Albums                 Would Bach write Top 40 if he were alive?
   Tuning Guitars Down

   All of this, brought to you by...


                                                 - Drummer -
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From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      re: Fans of Country and Ministry unite!
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From:           Rick <MMLRICK%UBVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:        Fans of Country and Ministry unite!
Date:           Thursday, August 13, 1992 at 12:29:28 pm CDT

>A tidbit from the July 25 1992 Melody Maker, which make me wonder: What are
>all the arguments about? Those of you in both camps can now declare
>harmonious truce. Here goes (the rest is directly quoted):
>
>   "Hey, you like country?"
>
>   Al Jourgenson waits for an affirmative nod and flings a lovingly compiled
>cassette tape across Chicago's Trax studio. The tape features songs by Buck
>Owens, George Jones, Gram Parsons, Loretta Lynn, Hank Williams and Lefty
>Frizzell. It's bizarre. These definitely aren't the sort of people you'd
>expect the man behind Ministry might want you to listen to.
[you remember how the rest goes...]

i've been saying for years that country and heavy metal are merging into one.
it first occured to us a few years ago while listening to _battery_ from
metallica's _master of puppets_.  the drums are *so* country western, it's
so obvious!  and then lots of metal bands started copping the Steel Cowboy
Look (tm), complete with boots and spurs.

but the ultimate confirmation came late one night a few years ago.  i was out
late (one ot two a.m.) one night with some friends and we stopped in to a
taco bell in college station (small townsville) texas.  about halfway through
the meal some high school aged kids came in and sat down behind us.  they
were country-western stereotypes through and through.  they were chatting
quite loudly about cattle and ffa and all kinds of other things that all
young cowboys are interested in, when they broke into this conversation about
a metallica concert a couple of them had recently seen!  they were *very*
excited about how great it had been -- and their friends were upset at having
missed it.  how wierd.

i'm listening to _kephale 69_ now, and it doesn't surprise me in the least
that jourgensen likes country.  listen to _just one fix_ or _hero_, you can
hear the country and western swing all over!

so it's happening, no doubt.  look for a new category in the grammies sometime
in the next few years: country/metal.  or maybe they'll just drop one of the
categories all together and lump everybody from both groups into one.  just
you wait and see, i predict it will happen!

lee "tounge now pressed firmly in cheek"

metal rules, death to all who appose!
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:01:15 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The Fabulous Sequel

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:35:53 EDT MHB said (among other things):
>
>Marijuana: one of my faves, a mood enhancer which also potentiates imagination.
>Does interesting things to your time sense-- paradoxically, the notorious time
>dilation effect sometimes makes you play slower, so you can really groove on
>the texture between the beats; cf. reggae and too many Grateful Dead live sets.
>But things that might generally be considered too boring for words become real
>absorbing after a spliff or two-- in my case, hardcore Soho minimalism :-)
>

 Better for listening than for playing, I've found. Hard to keep any
 kind of edge going. In fact, the whole idea of keeping an "edge" seems
 incredibly ridiculous when you're stoned. :-)

>
>LSD: I contend that the '60s proved that acid was unequalled as an imagination
>enhancer-- seems to have greatly stimulated the appetite for new information,
>and the ability to integrate that information into strange and beautiful new
>systems. I can't imagine why more people aren't interested in something billed
>as "mind expanding," and seemingly quite good at it. That said, I don't expect
>ever to do it myself, as I'm not certain I want to confront the contents of my
>skull with that degree of mercilessness. But I still think the best Grateful
>Dead record is _Anthem of the Sun_, and I'm still fond of all the San Francisco
>Summer of Love stuff, not to mention Faust and early Can.
>

 The problem here is that it becomes very hard to stay focused. That may
 not be a problem if you're composing/experimenting, but as far as any
 attempt at performance goes, beware! The rules don't apply. Might as
 well make sure everyone else in the band is as high as you are. I can
 still remember the time I sat down to play my guitar, looked at the
 clock and it said quarter to three, hit one chord, listened to it ring,
 looked at the clock again and it was ten past five.

>Cocaine: I tried to play behind coke once. There are two shaky notes at the top
>of what I laughingly refer to as my vocal range; on tootski I could sing them
>quite clearly. But I got irritated at the plodding sameness of the (beer-based)
>music this band did, and kept wanting to do something else to it, so I can now
>see how coke leads to overly complicated arrangements a la Steely Dan. Which is
>not to say it's inherently anti-musical, but all cokeheads need editors IMHO.
>Also coke bears too much of the responsibility for disco.
>

 Also, the addictive nature of the stuff means you'll spend less and less
 time playing music.

 Well, enough "field research". _I_ shoulda done a thesis on it. :-)

David
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:22:38 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      naked ornette
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   Recently saw Naked Lunch, with Ornette Coleman doing the music.  His
odd twisted tunes were the best part of the movie, IMHO.  Don't bother
with the movie, read the book.

Russ
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From:         Eddy Higgins <SCCS6068@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      Dgae Johnnan

>Eddy Higgins says that "the Irish
>group De Dannan (pron. Day Dannan)." has one of the finest bodhran players
>in Ireland.  Two (niggly) corrections: "De Dannan" is pronounced "Jay-Dunnun,"
>NOT "Day Dannan," and erives from the Tuatha de Dannan (TOO-a-hugh Jay-DUNnun),
>or "Children of the (goddess) Dana," the mythologucal forebears of the
>Irish.  A second note: it's not often noted, but the word "bodhran" means
>"deaf man" in Irish (one of many examples of the humor of the Irish
>language).
>--Russell Potter

  Russell, I don't believe your phonetic spelling of De Dannann is more
correct than the attempt I made at it. Since the posting I have asked a few
Irish scholars (from various dialectic regions) what they made of our
phonetics. All told, both versions seemed acceptable to nearly everyone.
 One (niggly) question however; you mentioned two corrections, which was the
second one?

  Ed.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:48:40 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Friday thoughts
              14 Aug 1992 09:50:52 -0400 from <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:50:52 -0400 The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny said:
>
>Painful confession: I own both of Travis Tritt's albums.
 I've dubbed one for a friend and i've got to admit it's tolerable
   and plue Little Feat joined in

>>    this discussion is all a mater of taste, BTW i play an old Strat,
>>    but on the hunt for a L.P. Junior with GAwd'almighty soapbars
>
>You should of waited to bring this one up until Michael's return. Most
>of the people you listed don't play stock strats.
 I think you better check on that they played off the rack strats quite
   often not always but this is a useless discussion

>My own little question... We've had several DRUM WARS and GUITAR WARS.. One
>instrument which has been neglected is the bass. Who do you all think are
>the real BASSMASTERS? Two that come immediately to mind for me are Victor
>Wooten (w/Bela Fleck & the F-Tones) and Tony Levin.
I'm not bass expert at all but the lineup that E.C has with nathan east and
   Greg PHil______(fill in the blank) is a very good one - nathan is a very
   good bassist or is he not
>
>-Adam (Getting down to bassics)
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:20:28 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: THEORY
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DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL (the good Rotcod) says:

>Could this have something to do with why it's SO hard to find "improv" players
>that can "hear" behind the patterns?  I agree that someone with NO technical
>background/knowledge is probably not gonna' make GREAT player (either in
>randomland OR in the more formal environ), but some folks WITH tunza skill
>(as expressed recently on this net) have NO idea how to improv...

and <OLIVOTTO%ITNCISCA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> sez:

>        What I'd like to add is that, IMHO, one has to rely more on the ear
>than the actual technique or even the formal shape of the chord.

Right on oh zzaj'y ones!  In my Julia Child Cookbook about improvisation
yesterday I completely neglected the ol' ear.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear as Tricky Dickson used to say.
IMHO you absolutely have to know basic harmony and you have to know it
so deeply that when you throw it away for freer improvisation, it's still
there in the background.

I mean, is there anyone who thinks that Ornette couldn't play a totally
straight "How High The Moon" or write out four-part harmony in his sleep
(and probably do it a hell of a lot better than us)?  Does anyone doubt
that his gut knowledge of harmony deeply informs his music?

But there comes a time when you do have to throw away the theory and
wail.  Hell, even throw away the beat sometimes and take it off into
neverneverland.  Sometimes you even have to have fun!

All IMHO, of course.
Bob
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:29:53 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      re: thunk
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              "Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM" at Aug 14,
              92 9:07 am

lee, does HIGHWAY TO HELL count as metal? If so, count me as a metal
freak--those are particularly scintillating thunks (I'm being serious in case
anybody wondered, e.g. our resident seriousmeister Gary or others)

bob, I thought your post on Enya and the creeping CD mange was one of the best
of the day--I even saved it to read again and go THUNK THUNK THUNK to myself
(under my breath).

P.S. we just bought the video Spinal Tap; does this mean I get my official
metal press card or do I have to use hairspray too?
            Sonia

P.P.S. Will someone PLEASE explain to me the difference between metal and hard
rock?
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:17:00 LCL
From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      re: favorite German bands
X-To:         "Russell A. Potter" <ALLMUSIC@auvm.american.edu>

Russell -

Actually,  if  you're willing to  take a little  drive, there was
this  place  doen in Rhode  Island with a  fantastic selection of
imports  and hard to find titles (even british/french releases by
Prince!).

If I could  remember the name  of the place...I  remember that it
was in the capitol city of RI, and it was above the street...

-Kev
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:26:45 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Guitar players
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>Realize that Keith Richards does not play a six string guitar all the time.
>He has this really battered Tele that has only five strings (missing
>the high E) that are tuned to an open E or A major chord.

Wrong.  He has a number of old and new guitars, missing the *low* E string.
Also tuned in different ways.

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:46:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: favorite German bands

>From:         "Russell A. Potter" <rapotter@COLBY.EDU>

>While you're at it: Since you name Amon Dul and Ash Ra Tempel, what about
>Popol Vuh?  I think Florian Fricke is one of the most brilliant musicians
>of the past 20 years -- too bad so little Vuh is out on disk.  Then of
>course there's Klaus Schulze, Roedelius, Eberhard Weber, and so many others
>of the late great Brain records...

Yep, Popol Vuh was another one I forgot to list.  To my surprise they have
a fairly recent CD out on the Milan label distributed by BMG so it should
be available.  The title is _For You And Me_ and the copyright date is
1991.  My early impression is I don't like it as much as their Herzog
soundtracks, but I am glad to know they are still carrying on.

I didn't include Klaus Schulze and the other individuals you mentioned
because the original question had asked about bands.  Yeah, it's a
fine line, but my list was getting pretty long anyway.  I do like the
bit at the end of Klaus's live in Poland CD where he tells the crowd,
"I'd like to introduce my band.  Here's Mr. Moog.  Over there is
Mr. Arp..."

>Anyone know a good source for Greman music on CD (that is, stuff that
>isn't available lia US licensees?)

Well, while on my vacation I picked up four Grobschnitt CDs and Amon
Duul II's _Made In Germany_ at the Vienna VA Tower Records.  So don't
neglect the retail stores.  As for mail-order, I've had success with
Wayside Music and The Laser's Edge.

Wayside Music
PO Box 8427
Silver Spring MD 20907-8427

The Laser's Edge
PO Box 3128
Hoboken NJ 07030

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Help me create a FAQ file
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:27:32 GMT

In article <0095F623.6A15F580.21840@hg.uleth.ca> weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA> writes:
>da Beer sed to - Drummer - :
>
>>You will never beat me.  Never.
>
>How about me?  Will I ever beat you?

Let me put it this way, I know I could get a good licken' from you any
time you want.  ;)

But I never try to vibe you.   I know what kind of collection you have
:) 

>OMC: The Barenaked Ladies album, _Gordon_, went platinum in Canada this week...

Is that platinum as in record sales, or platinum as in blonde ;)

Jeff

OMC:   Joe Henderson is in Chicago this week.  With Al Foster.  
       Drum God Extraordinary.   The Last Great Drummer to Play With
       Miles.  Amazing how soft he plays, considering what he did
       with Miles.  Shows his incredible flexibility and inventiveness.


IT IS FRY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:39:45 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Alvin Lee

Hey all you net-blues-freaks and 'classic rockers'!

I've just heard a cut from Alvin Lee's (yes THAT Alvin Lee from Ten Years
After) new album. The album is called Zoom, and the cut was called
"Real Life Blues" with Jon Lord and George Harrison on the cut. I called
the DJ and found out that Lord plays on several of the cuts, and that
Clarencs Clemens is also featured on 1 or more. Check it out....
As I close a new G. Thorogood album is being played. And all this after
the usual 3 hour Sat AM blues show. It's a blue world after all....


                                                        ... walt ...
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Subject:      Re: Info request: Adrian Belew
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Marco said:
>>Hi,
>>        last week I borrowed an Adrian Belew instructional video tape; quite
>>impressive, I must say. I have several records with his performances - Talking
>>Heads, King Crimson, and one of his solo albums, "Twang Bar King", but I admit
>>I haven't followed him a lot lately.
>>        Is there anyone who may give me some vague hints about his recent solo
>>career, if there is any?

Then Carol said:

I have become a fan of Adrian Belew's solo material in the last couple of years
(thanks to n.n.).  I currently have two of Belew's solo albums:
    _Inner Revolution_
    _Mr. Musichead_

[reccomendation for these 2]

I have an album from the early 80's  that he released between albums with KC.
It's _Lone Rhino_. It's got some great songs on it. "Big Electric Cat" has
the wildest guitar sounds since KC's "Elephant Talk." Another of my favorites
is "Momur" which sounds like the humorous side of the Talking Heads.


-Adam
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:17:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Nazareth
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The other Gary asked:

>>Other Tomorrow trivia: "My White Bicycle" was covered by Nazareth.
>
>        Interesting! Do you, (or anyone else) know what album they covered
>it on?

Not sure of the original album it is on, but I'm pretty sure that "My White
Bicycle" is on the (A&M Records) compilation of Nazareth's greatest hits.
If you find that album, it would tell you.

Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:03:34 EDT
From:         "M.A. Murphy" <MURPH@MAINE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mick's got da blues (but he ain't got Jerry)

>I heard on the radio that Mick "Flaming Lips O' Death" Jagger is recording
>an album of blues covers. He's being backed by a band from California
>called the Red Devils (or something Devils). It's due out late in the fall.
>This should be interesting if it's true...

For a sneak peek at the potential sound, the Red Devils have a brand
new album out on Def American called _King King_.  It features some
pretty raw, hard drivin', rockin', raucous blues.  These guys have
got the soul as well as the sound.
-------

                                            Murph

                                            Michael A. Murphy
                                            MURPH@MAINE.BITNET

If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:28:55 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: Help me create a FAQ file
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Mike Karolchik said

>   I'm thinking of putting together an ALLMUSIC Frequently Asked
>Questions file (not to be confused with Flatulent Unnecessary Queries
>*FUQ* ;-)). Once I have the file I'll post it every-so-often for the
>benefit of new subscribers. This should also benefit old subscribers
>since you won't have to endure the same exchanges over and over.

Aw... sure, Mikey... ruin all our fun. Newbies should walk on eggshells for a
few weeks like the rest of us had to when we first started posting to this
list.  :*)  And... what's n.n. gonna do when he can't do the "Slam the Newbie"
routine??  ;)

I also suspect that there is more FUQing than FAQing going on around here... :)

My suggestion would include a Glossary Section to define commonly used terms,
phrases, and acronymns that us naughty listmembers use frequently.  These may
include definitions for the following (and yooze guys can help with the
answers):

BTW
OMC
IMHO
Beer Jazz
Vinnie
RSJ
Alternative Music  (sorry, I couldn't resist)
Appose (the Heavy Metal definition)
Slappin A Little Toto
Hordes of Skittering Guitars
Tongue Bass
Censorship
"the shit"  (the Jazz definition)

And I know there are alot more of these, so add on as you please.  :)

>   Now for the participation part. It would help a lot if some of you
>who have been around for a while could suggest FAQ's to be included
>in the file (along with FGA's - Frequently Given Answers). Humor is
>naturally welcome along with anything serious you can think of.

Don't forget these questions:

Omigod!  HELLLLLLLLPPP!!  How do I get off this list??

Does anyone have the address for a Heavy Metal List??

My favorite music is <insert random genre here>, why don't you small minded
idjits ever talk about it????

- Carol
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