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From: lari@netcom.com (Lari Howard)
Subject: 2 month old questions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:11:38 GMT

Hello again...

first i want to thank everyone that responded to my question about
nipple confusion - we made it through our rough period.. but now, i
have a medical problem that requires a medication that keeps me from
breast feeding anyway... *sigh*... but, it was nice while it lasted...

now i have a couple other questions about my 2 month old little guy...

first, john has started crying before he goes to sleep - sometimes
it's just a few wimpers - sometimes it's full-blown screaming for a
half hour... it doesn't matter what time of day - he Always cries a
little before nodding off... does anyone understand this and/or have
any suggestions for stopping it?  i've rocked and walked and sung and
nothing will keep him from sounding off! 

second, i'm at a loss as to what to do to entertain him sometimes...
he's awake and alert, but "talking" to me (or someone else) doesn't
satisfy him... walking around with him isn't it... going outside isn't
it... eventually i'll put him in his swing - which does stop him from
fussing - but he just stares off into space - not moving a muscle...
it doesn't really look like he's enjoying it... any suggestions for
entertaining him?

thank-you for the help... and please email any responses - as you can
guess, i haven't time to read this group (as much as i would love to!)

oops - nap time is over!!

thanks...

lari
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:16:53 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <19921216162149SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:

> While we're bashing Sesame Street, I thought I'd add this bit: My
> MIL is an elementary school principal (LOTS of experience teaching
> 1st through 6th grade too), and she says SS is bad because it shows
> lots of examples of children being sassy, sarcastic, and talking-back.
> I am as yet undecided -- I like SS, but that's her opinion and I do
> respect her opinion.  What do the rest of you think?


Actually, I think it is really interesting that as a generation who was raised
on incredibly mind-enriching tv such as "Gilligan's Island", "F-Troop" and "The
Brady Bunch" and as a generation who treasures our status as highly intelligent
people who devour extremely important studies in various fields...

We spend a heck of a lot of time worrying about our kids watching Sesame St!

:) :) :)

Ann Helmers
who got sassy, sarcastic and into talking-back with "That Girl"
From: meltsner@crd.ge.com (Kenneth J. Meltsner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Febrile Convulsions
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:26:10 GMT
Reply-To: meltsner@crd.ge.com
Organization: GE Research and Development Center



As a minor aside, parents with infants should consider getting (and
carrying with them on all away trips) acetominophen suppositories.
When my son (@14 MO) got a 105+ fever, he couldn't keep down the
liquid.  In fact, he couldn't even keep down a sip of water.  The
suppository worked great, and I cannot recommend them enough as a
backup to the Tylenol liquid.

Ask your pediatrician for correct dosage and find an old-fashioned
pharmacy that still stocks them.  It may save you an early morning (1
am in a strange city) trip to the emergency room and stabilize the kid
enough for an early visit to his/her normal doctor or a drop-in
clinic.

===============================================================================
Ken Meltsner                        | meltsner@crd.ge.com (518) 387-6391
GE Research and Development Center  | Fax:  (518) 387-6474
P.O. Box 8, Room KWD270		    | Nothing I say should be attributed
Schenectady, NY 12301               | to my employer, and probably vice-versa
"It's probable, just not very likely." -- Fire Maidens From Outer Space.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: oday@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Vicki O'Day)
Subject: Circumcision
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:06:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA


When I was pregnant with my first child (who turned out to be a girl),
a friend asked if we were planning to circumcise.  We weren't sure,
though we were leaning against it.  He told us that neither he nor
his brothers had been circumsized as babies, because their mother
was Jewish and had been persecuted by the Nazis (he's German) and
she wasn't eager for them to appear obviously Jewish.  As it turned
out, my friend and one of his two brothers had to be circumsized
as adults, in their twenties.  He said it wasn't too bad.  He
said sex was fine before and after.  Neither he nor his brother
have had their sons circumcized.

Just another anecdote...

Vicki O'Day
oday@hpl.hp.com
From: majch@kodak.com (Kelly Majchrzak)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:19:17 GMT
Reply-To: majch@kodak.com (Kelly Majchrzak)
Organization: Image Processing Algorithms Laboratory, Eastman Kodak Co.

In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
|> 
|> A recent post contained the statememt: "My
|> wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
|> in naming the poster, as this is something I
|> read/hear quite often.
|> 
|> Now, I *know* it is meant to convey the fact
|> that the man  is involved, concerned, supportive,
|> etc.
|> 
|> It always annoyed me on principle, because it's
|> inaccurate. But now that I've carried a pregnancy
|> to term, it makes me crazy.
|> 
|> So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
|> pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
|> is pregnant. She is experiencing all kinds of emotions,
|> sensations, aches and pains, flutters and kicks that you
|> are not experiencing.
|> 
|> I know that if Michael had used this terminology, not
|> only would I not have considered it supportive - I would
|> have considered it as trivializing the pregnancy and
|> my experiences.
|> 
|> So, isn't there another way to express your feeling of
|> being part of the team?
|> 
|> thanks, Dena


Give me a break!  Isn't there a way you can be a little less nitpickey???

kelly
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:49:20 GMT

> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
> >But I think it's euphemizing the differences between men
> >and women.

Dena's followup point struck a different cord with me.  First of all, taking
the literal meaning, the statement "we're pregnant" is meaningless; obviously
only 1 of us is physically carrying the baby.  The example about promotions,
etc., made me pause to think why "we're pregnant" doesn't seem so bad to
me, although I certainly understand why some mind and their SO's should avoid
the term in that case.

I may be naive about this, but I suspect that the dad who uses the phrase
"we're pregnant" is probably less likely to trivialize what the mom is
going through.  IMHO, it's a matter of intent.  I don't think I used the
phrase, but if I had, I'm making a statement about me and my feelings; after
all I contributed 50% of the genetic material!  Granted, I'm not the one
who has to carry it for the first 9 months (although I sure do my share of
carrying now :-)).

Now for a slight, but I think relevant, digression.  Mary was extremely
sick in the first 3 months.  She *lost* 12 pounds and had to be rehydrated
once.  She threw up constantly (10-20 times a day).  It was no picnic for
either of us.  You know what aggravated me the most?  A large percentage
of males who knew what was going on told me "It's not like she's really sick,
she's just pregnant".  A large percentage of females told me "She doesn't have
it that bad, when I was pregnant <insert horror story>".  I felt everyone
else was trivializing what Mary was going through and I was very resentful.

All I'm trying to say is that everyone has hot buttons (if I've learned nothing
else from misc.kids, I've learned that!).  I prefer to give people the benefit
of the doubt and assume they mean no harm by their words.  This has been an
interesting discussion on feelings and perceptions.  What saddens me is the
poor dad who inadventently started it.  I don't know if it was his first or
not, but we collectively rained on his parade, and that's a shame.

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [30 months])
	ssa@usl.com
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: toddler traveling without mommy?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:59:01 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


I have a geographically far flung family and it's very difficult for me
to visit them all.  So far, my grandmother (90 years old, still alert
but is otherwise very ill) hasn't seen my fifteen month old baby.
I'm having a hard enough time getting out to visit my parents enough to
feel that they're getting to know the baby.  My mother and sister have
made plans to take the baby for a few days to visit Grandma.  I'm really
excited about them getting to spend the time with the baby, and about
my grandmother getting to meet her first great-grandchild.  I'm also
(true confessions time) looking forward to having a few days to myself
after Christmas.  But I am worried about the baby traveling without me.
She spent a day alone with my sister this summer and didn't cry for me,
and she doesn't get much stranger anxiety, but she doesn't really know 
her aunt or grandma very well, because they live so far away.  They talk
on the phone every week, but I'm not sure that Alice realizes that those
sounds are people talking to her.

My mother told me that I spent two weeks with an aunt that I had never
met before at that same age, because my mother was in the hospital.
She said that the only problem was that I was mad at her when I came home.

Does anyone have any suggestions to make this easier for the baby?  What
kind of problems could I expect?

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:39:16 GMT

In article <1gncidINNpo6@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
>kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>>have to ask isn't there anyone else out there willing to defend it?  Doesn't
>>anyone else have anything *good* to say about it?  Surely I'm not the only
>>one who feels this way?
>
>I've followed all these articles, read the FAQ, with great interest as we
>have another child on the way.  To me, the accounts that strike home with
>the greatest persuasion are a couple of respondents who _did_ have urolo-
                             ^^^^^^^^
>gical complications later in life that required them to be circumcised _then_, 
>with far more pain and difficulty.  Their position was, "I sure wish I'd had 
>it done as a baby".

	And what are the odds of that happening? what is the percentage? You're
probably as likely to be struck by a meteorite!

KAC


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.192808.23092@adobe.com>, riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:

> LOTS of nasty stuff about Clare Chu.
> Kathie

HOLY SHIT, is this Pick-On-Clare-Chu week? I'm disgusted by people posting for
no other reason than to criticize a poster. Clare hardly eats up tons of
BW making posts. I don't find her posts nearly as offensive as these two
posts criticizing her. 

Clare, please continue posting just what you want. If I have some objection, I
will either ignore your post or I will e-mail you in person with my complaint.
I LIKE you and hate to see such viciousness directed at you. Best of luck in
getting the advice you need and seek. Don't give up on this group just 
because of a few, UNBELIEVABLE posts against you. SHEEZ. I can't believe
what I'm reading sometimes. 

What, pray tell, is wrong with the occasional whine? Let he or she who has
never whined cast the first nasty post!!!!

Why can't the posters to this, of ALL GROUPS, use a little patience!!! Don't
we learn that in dealing with our children???

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson )
Subject: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Organization: These opinions are mine!
Distribution: misc
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:33:36 GMT

In article <KMURPHY.92Dec16095759@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu> kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy) writes:
>
>While I'm sure most of us agree that
>Sesame Street is great, we know it was never meant to be a teaching
>tool inside the classroom.  We did tell the principal if we found this
>to be excessive, we had no choice but to take it to the school board.

Sesame Street is NOT great.  Jane Healy has a whole chapter in
"Endangered Minds - Why Children Can't Think and What To Do About It"
on the damage that Sesame Street does to young childrens' minds. 
In a nutshell, the fast moving "non-reality" images are not good for
children. If anything thinks they are helping their children by sitting them
in front of the TV, think again. (Healy's book is highly recommended for
all parents; it is especially important for those who ship their children
off to a daycare center or use the TV to keep them occupied.)	

Signature Follows:
"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am
God, and there is none else."
=========================================================================
David L. Hanson       Internet --> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com
Amoco Corporation     X.400    --> A=attmail,P=amoco,S=Hanson,G=David,I=L
Any opinions expressed are my own!
From: lisa@elc11.icase.edu (Lisa A. Leutenegger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for a book
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:26:41 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: elc11.icase.edu

I'm looking for the book "The Smiley Lion".  It is a golden shape book
and was published by Western Publishing.  It is currently out of print
but it was my favorite book as a kid and I would like a copy for Alex.

Does anyone have a copy of this book they are done with that I could
buy?

---lisa
   mom to Alex (4 months)


   The smiley lion has 5 hippo friends....

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: song lyric-"Don Gato"
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: ray.horton@tfd.gwinnett.com (Ray Horton)
>Message-ID: <174.140.uupcb@tfd.gwinnett.com>
>
>...
>My wife is a music teacher and teaches the song regularly.  I'll check
>for the rest of the words if no one else posts it first.
>
>TS>Thanks for more lyrics, Dana!  I'd love to hear the tune if anybody
>TS>knows how to explain that in ASCII.
>
>Here's an attempt...
>
>A C | E__ F | G__ F | E D E e | q  A C | E__ F | G__ F | E D E e |
>q  E F | E F E F | F E D C# | D_ D E | D E D E | E D C B | C_ B C |
>E__ C | D __ C | B A__ | __
>
>Give this a try - Let me know if this was worth the trouble or space!
>---
> . DeLuxe. 1.25 #12024 . "No doubt about it.  I gotta get another hat!"
>
 
Bravo!!!  Bravo!!!!  (I'm standing!!)  Bravo!!!!!
Very nice work, very nice indeed. :)
I'm humming it, so yes, it worked.  Good job!
 
TAMARA
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: skin rash/pimples on 12 day old baby's face.
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:19:45 GMT
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

In article <owens.723924377@gargoyle> owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens) writes:
>In <Bz05G5.Lo5@inews.Intel.COM> kortikar@mipos2.intel.com (Aniruddha Kortikar) writes:
>
>> I would like to know if there exists some simple remedy for pimples
>> on baby's face. Our baby is 12 days old. We have tried applying
>> Johnson baby lotion but it does not help.
>
>Our baby developed acne-like pimples at about two weeks.  We continued
>to wash her face regularly with plain warm water (without scrubbing or
>vigorous toweling) --- I don't know if that helped or not, but by age
>six weeks the condtion appears to be more-or-less resolving itself.

Christine had infant-acne at around 4 weeks old.  Our ped. also told
us not to use any lotion as it only clogs up the pores.  Plain water
will do just fine.  This lasted about 2-3 weeks for Christine.

Incidently, my grandmother told me in the old Chinese days, they used
to feed some kind of lotus paste to newborns (few weeks old).  Whatever
in the baby's system that caused the infant-acne will then be passed
through the BM.


Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 1 yo
wang@optigfx.com
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Where is Judy Leedom Tyrer?
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:01:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: kuenning@mahler.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Kuenning)
>Message-ID: <1gr06fINNfv4@smaug.West.Sun.COM>
>
>In article <1gqe5pINN6t4@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu writes:
>> Where is she? Does anyone work in her company, who can check on this?
>> Could she be on an extended vacation, or has she lost her net access
>> for one reason or another? Mail sent to her address--"judy@locus.com"--
>
>Um, first, it's Judy Leerom Tyrer...
>                        ^
 
Um, no it's not.  (Maybe there are two of them?)
 
>
>I'm no longer at Locus, but a bunch of us had lunch with Judy about a
>month ago.  I haven't heard about any Locus layoffs since then.  The
>correct domain address for her is "judy@la.locus.com", so you might
>want to try that to see if you get a better response.
>
>If you don't get any better answers, post again in about three weeks
>(when I get back from my honeymoon) and I'll extend the search a bit
>further.
 
You're on your honeymoon?  Reading misc.kids?  I think I hear your
bride calling you!!! :)
 
>--
>        Geoff Kuenning   geoff@itcorp.com   uunet!desint!geoff
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 11:33:26 GMT
Subject: Re: 4 Sale: DRUM SET  **  Reduced price !!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: misc.kids

goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.070108.4724@umr.edu>, sarora@cs.umr.edu (Sandeep Arora) writes...
>>I would like to sell a drum set in excellent working condition.
>
>Hey, now, this is a great gift for a niece or nephew, or maybe
>the child of a neighbor you dislike. 8-) I can't tell you how
>many 'noisy toys' have disappeared into the black hole in my
>closet, never to return. 8-) 8-)
>
And even better, check the price!  Sure, I'd love to spend $325 for
a set of drums for a kid, knowing how much use they're going to get...
:-)
Xref: sparky misc.kids:30893 soc.men:21524 alt.atheism:24057 alt.sex.wizards:4070
From: acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:13:08 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

I think the whole point boils down to the fact that it is another useless procedure
which the doctor can charge you for.  save the money and buy the kid a nintendo.
-- 
******************************************************************************
Andrew C. Burnette  acb@ncsu.edu 
Electrical and Computer Engineering

"Silence is not only golden, it's seldom misquoted."
From: skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Rt 95 South to Florida--Where to stop with kids?
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:14:04
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com

This is posted for friends who will be driving from New Jersey to
Florida along rt 95 starting out this Thursday.  They have two
daughters, ages 3.5 and 10 months.  They're looking for ideas of where
to stop along the way--places that will be interesting for the kids.
For example, museums (science and children's), farms, zoos, ...  They
are willing to travel off the highway in order to find something
interesting.  They have the AAA books; are there any other books about
this route?  Do you have any sites to suggest?   Please email, and I'll
post a summary.

Thanks in advance!
Susan
From: vinceg@mcdbos.UUCP (Vince Grove)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: picking and eating
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:54:44 GMT
Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Division, Woburn, MA

My two year old has discovered the tasty delicacy - boogers. My wife
and I tolerate it around the home and make no issue of it. But we feel
embarrassed when she does it in front of friends or family. Should we
let it slide or are there techniques people can share that would persuade
her to pick in private. We have tried to be gentle about it by pushing
her hand away and saying that people don't like to watch her do that
but our daughter is persistant. We are afraid that a more forceful
appraoach will lead to a *nasal* retentive child!

(this whole subject makes me think of last nights Seinfeld episode...)

-- 
Vince Grove				Motorola Computer Group
vinceg@bos.mcd.mot.com			300 Unicorn Park
617-932-1195				Woburn, MA 01801
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt (was Re: Opening Children's Gifts at Parties)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:59:55 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

My son wanted to search for his Valentine's Day candy and small gifts, so  this
is what I did:

Roses are red, violets are blue,
Why don't you go and look in your shoe?

Roses are red, frogs are green,
Look in the pocket of your blue jeans.

Violets are blue, roses are red,
Maybe there's something under your bed.

Roses are red, and sometimes they're pink,
Go find a surprise next to your sink.

Roses are red, the sun is yellow,
Could there be something near your pillow?

Roses are red, some jelly beans are black,
Go down to the basement and find a tack.

Roses are red, light brown is called tan,
Can there be a treat on the garbage can?

Roses are red, clouds are white,
Go to the piano and then look right.

Hmmm, I can't decide if I should put a copyright notice on this ... ;-)
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:24:30 GMT

	mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
>... a couple of respondents who _did_ have urological complications later
>in life that required them to be circumcised _then_, with far more pain
>and difficulty.  Their position was, "I sure wish I'd had it done as a baby".

Why not be safe and have the poor kid's tonsils and appendix out at
the same time?

There seem to be 2 reasons for circumcision: one is medical, based on
extremely dubious medical studies; the other is religious, having
something to do with some covenant with gawd, and constitutes ritual
abuse performed on an unwilling minor.  Either way, I consider it
barbaric and unnecessary.
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey