From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. President)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: A woman's choice
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:14:09 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Ron
>Kevin W
>>In article <1992Apr13.014319.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsrlg@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>>>I believe that abortion is not a matter of whether the fetus is 
>>>really a "life or not.

>>This is a grave injustice to humanity.  It doesn't matter if the murder is a
>>life or not, it just matters if the judge feels good on that day.

>Here goes Kevin again, saying something with gills and a tail is mudered.
>How about that steak you had this week? Fish? Pork? Any products made
>with animal parts?

Here goes Ron again, twisting my words and failing to use good logic.  I
never said killing the fetus was murder, Ron.  This murder example is
just an arbitrary murder case...say a man stabs and kills another man.

It's just to show the lunacy of the original position on whether it is a life
or not.  

>>>It should simply be the woman's choice.

>>And what about the man, fsrlg@acad3 ?  Does he ever have a say?

>IMO, he should be able to abort his responsibility. This does occur
>in most cases, I don't recall any un-married man being forced to pay
>child-support, although it probably has occurred in one or two very
>special cases.

So what?  point here?  What about the man who wants to keep the unborn
child?  What does he have to say Ron?

It's gross.  A man (husband) has no say in whether his child is going to
die, yet he can be forced to pay child support for a child he may not
want to care for when they get divorced.  DOuble standards.

>>>This whole issue boils down
>>>to the fact that our patriarchal American government is still trying to tell
>>>women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.  THAT is not right.

>>What this boils down to is whether this government will allow further killing
>>of human life.

>Kevin, the government sanctions the killing of human life every day
>in a multitude of ways, including unsafe work areas (ever been on a
>skyscraper under construction? very unsafe), legislating highway speeds
>that allow one to get killed and maimed, etc...

So what you are implying is that the fetus is not human life.  Notice how
I also said "...government WILL allow..."  That's a misread on your
side.

Let me ask you a question.  I don't want to make assumptions, but from
what you have just said ("the government sacntions the killing of human
life...") I have to ask you if the fetus is a human life.  Is it?

>The point here is that the government shouldn't be sticking its nose
>into the private business of its citizens in an area that doesn't concern
>society at all.

So if my friends and I want to start a little drug operation that doesn't
involve society, but just a few family members, the government shouldn't
get involved?  It should stick it's nose in "private" affairs?

Get some down time.  Stop smoking.

The RIght of Privacy, Ron, exists so far as it does not conflict with
public policy, that's why we don't seel drugs in our home, that's why
I can't kill my mom in the privacy of my home, that's why I can't hold
some one captive in the privacy of my home.  That is why there is no
privacy issue at all in abortion.

>After all, the woman is going to bear most (if not all)
>the hardships of pregnancy. What gives the government the right to force
>this on a woman. Are you going to force all women to have 2.5 kids?

Not at all.  I not forcing them to have any kids.  If they don't want kids,
best thing to do is not have sex and hopefully avoid rape/incest (I'm not
saying that any one woman can say "I'm not going to get raped", but barring
rape from this analysis).  Then they won't be forcing pregnancy.  BUT, if
you are willing to engage in sex (which is fine) assume the risk that you
might get pregnant and that raising the child is the consequence of that
action.



>Ron

welch

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