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From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 'Named' patterns
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:12:27 GMT
Organization: Oh, come /on/..
Originator: ke94002@black

allenk@ugcs.caltech.edu (Allen Knutson) writes:

>Eric's Extension, which is Mills' Mess squared. Your arms cross,
>then cross *doubly*, then uncross back to normal, cross the other
>way, then doubly, etc.

 Ah, so /that/'s what it's called. I've almost got it, except for
when I've got my arms crossed twice, um, anticlockwise, when I
always miss out a beat. Hmph. Nice trick, though.

 (currently, I'm working on juggling (just a cascade, nothing
ambitious) with my arms folded three times; so at the upper arm,
forearm, and finally with wrists cranked around. Unfortunately I
can only manage about two minutes of practise before my shoulders
threaten to rip themselves out of the sockets..)

>There's a picture of Eric (Uhrhane) doing this in an old Juggler's World. 
>He won prizes in a couple of 3-ball Opens at IJA conventions doing this
>and other tricks.                                               Allen K.

 There's someone doing it on the Beauty of Three-Ball Juggling
video, as well -- dunno if this is the same person, though. They
also do a pattern which is essentially a cascade, but alternate
throws are with the arms crossed twice in the opposite way, so it's
throw: [uncross,uncross,cross,cross]: repeat. It's nice once you
can do it, and there's just plain more motion there than in any
other three-ball pattern I've seen.


 Oh, and am I alone in *hating* the voice-over on BoTBJ? The first
time I heard it, I thought it was patronising and irritating --
when I realised that it was actually drowning out what the people
doing patterns were saying at times, it's even worse. It makes
watching the video positively painful..

 Are there videos specifically from the 3-ball opens available, as
with the 'normal' IJA conventions? 

 Personally, I'd be willing to buy a second copy of BoTBJ if there
was one available without the voice-over.. I have yet to see anyone
be impressed by it -- people who can juggle know everything he
says ('this is the cascade. This is the reverse cascade.' Wow.) and
those who don't either don't care about the names of the patterns,
or are equally unimpressed by the even more stupid quotes ('one of
the attributes that makes balls roll so well is their roundness').

--
Daniel Mitchell == ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk == bi furry juggler
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From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: A Wonderful Wife...
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:00:32 GMT

In article <1iku0dINN68@wendy-fate.UU.NET> kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones) writes:
>mitch@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Mitch Veenstra) writes:
> > just a note to anybody who's trying 3 ball tricks and 4 ball
> > at all.  once you try clubs for a few days, you'll find that
> > your ball tricks are even firmer than before.  (now if I could
> > only throw and catch 3 clubs without walking foward, club
> > juggling isn't ment to be a track sport)
>
>Don't be so sure!  There's something called "joggling" that I saw
>once on ESPN late at night and never again.  I saw a guy doing a
>100m dash while juggling five balls.  I don't think I could even
>juggle three balls back then so my eyes were falling out of my
>head in disbelief.

Anyone know if that juggler was Owen?

-GReg
From: ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: W. C. Fields
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:22:58 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.


I'd like to watch some old W. C. Fields films that show him juggling. What
are the best examples? I'd especially like to see some cigar box tricks.
As long a list as possible would be useful please as the video tape rental
shops here are awful!

I was in a tobacconist today trying to scrounge some cigar boxes. I was
told that they will begin to sell empty ones after their post-Christmas
clear-up next week for 1 to 5 pounds each, dependant upon quality. Will 
cheap plywood boxes rapidly fall apart?

Bon chance et bon juggling

Barry
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From: x93turner@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: <None>
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:31:30 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Holy cow, took long enough to find this.

First of all...hello to Staltus, Kashthra, Raistlin and Jerry from TAMU
if you guys are still reading this group...I didn't disappear on purpose,
lots of things kept me here in Michigan.

Second, are there any jugglers somewhere near Western Michigan?  I can't
even begin to tell you how bored I am here...

Valentyn

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From: me@Sunburn.stanford.edu (Martin Frost)
Subject: Re: Stanford Juggling Fest this year?
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:37:50

In article <1993Jan4.223204.6756@csus.edu> arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:

   From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
   Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:32:04 GMT

     Will there be a juggling festival at Stanford this year? Where and
   when?

The Fourth Conceivably-Annual Stanford Juggling Festival is still being
conceived.  I've been having trouble getting a room and a theatre.  So it
may be pushed back to May (or to 1994).  I'll certainly announce it here if
it ever firms up (or if I give up on it this year).
--
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)
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From: me@Sunburn.stanford.edu (Martin Frost)
Subject: Re: Passing Patterns: Both Hand Passing: 7 clubs PPS
Reply-To: me@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:46:09

In article <memo.846561@cix.compulink.co.uk> Dave Corney <tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:

  From: Dave Corney <tarim@cix.compulink.co.uk>
  Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 04:37 GMT

   Martin Frost <me@Sunburn.stanford.edu> replies 2 Brendan Brolly
  <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk> as follows:

  > If you read the Spring 1991 Juggler's World, you will find the seven-club
  > 3-count, which is almost exactly the same.  All we do is turn one self
  > of each person into a pass (hence PSS (3-count) becomes PPS).

  >>  Have u actually juggled this pattern?  Cos as far as Tarim can
  >>  make out, although it is a PPS pattern, it has 8 clubs in it
  >>  rather than 7.  The 1st person throws 3 clubs from their right
  >>  hand b4 they actually catch 1 there.

Yup, you're right, it's for 8 clubs.  Ed Carstens and I tried it a few days
ago in Las Vegas at the IJA Winter Festival and discovered that it didn't
work with 7 clubs because we ended up with a hole (room for the 8th club!).

However, annoyed as I was at having posted that without checking it out, I
spent some time in Vegas working out several other (all!?) possible 7 club
PPS patterns -- on paper.  Turned out that one of the ones I came up with was
Ed's pattern, which involves throwing doubles as well as triples.
Unfortunately, the juggling room in Vegas was only almost-triple height --
that is, triples would often hit the ceiling (if not the chandeliers).

But another 7 club PPS pattern I discovered needs only doubles and it proved
to be quite achievable.  My apologies for making you discover the 8 club PPS
pattern!  (Does it really work?  By the way, ask me about the 8 club 3-count
some time.)

Here is my 7-club PPS, version F (version E is Ed's, posted earlier):

  2p7c PPS F:
  The two jugglers are in sync, starting their R hands at the same time.

  Juggler #1, with 4 clubs, throws:  double, double, self
  Juggler #2, with 3 clubs, throws:  self,   single, double
  Then repeat.  

  If juggler #2 starts with 2 clubs in the right hand, all doubles (from both
  jugglers) are diagonals (R to R and L to L) and the single is a straight
  pass (alternating between R to L and L to R).

  (If you make the doubles straight and the singles diagonal, collisions are
  much more likely, I think.)

I'm writing this without my notes.  Sure hope I got it right this time.
--
Martin Frost		Computer Science Department, Computer Facilities
Systems Programmer	Stanford University, Stanford, CA  94305-2140
me@CS.Stanford.EDU	(or mfrost@stanford.bitnet)
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: New(ish) shop Manchester UK
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:18:47 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

More Balls Than Most now have a foothold in Manchester (UK), on the 2nd 
floor of Affleck's Palace, just off Piccadilly in the city centre.
It was closed until the 20th due to staff illness so I couldn't check it out 
properly.
I wonder if they'll have a price war with the Mushy Pea?



 
  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
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From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Re: dir/all
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:05:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.234223.10062@ac.dal.ca> phadalhs@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Schools that have juggling instrucrors.
>I am a twenty year old canadian and am interested in finding out
>more about schools that offer juggling instruction.I just read 
>that Todd Strong is teaching juggling at a circus school in 
>Berlin, does anyone know more about this school?  I also read
>a posting referring to something called circus space, apparently
>offering circus arts workshops.  Does anyone know more about 
>these workshops, their skill level, their quality, their location
>ect...  If anyone out there can post information about locations
>fees, requirements, and or direct me to other sources of information
>I would be thankfull
>					dylan mcdonald

Florida State University has a circus program.  While it is not a major
it does offer classes in the direction that you seem to want.  Check out
the FSU literature at your local library or E-mail me for more.

-GReg
gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu
From: ehgabp2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Barry Prescott)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: The Mind of a hardened drinker/juggler
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:02:20 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

Contrary to USENET etiquette I feel that I must bring to public attention
the nature of the mind of one Dave Budd by posting an e-mailed discussion
that we had.

After a pleasant and useful discussion on UK juggling shops, I mentioned the
fact that I am:

> > Currently working on Mills Mess with 1 club and 2 balls....
> >

His response?

> 
> Mills is an unusual name for a girlfriend.
> Must be short for Millicent.
> 

Am I the only innocent who wouldn't conjure up *that* image upon first 
reading?

> Sorry, I can't stop myself doing appallingly bad puns&jokes today.
> Blame it on the Trappistenbier Trippel(s)
> 
> 

Disgusted,
		Tunbridge Wells

N.B. For non-English readers, that was an implicit smiley.
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From: kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Ball Juggling Limit?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:41:59 -0500
Organization: UUNET Communications
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arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
 > Given the span length of the human arms and the speed of response in
 > catching and throwing a ball, is there a theoretical upper limit to the
 > number of balls a human being can juggle?

Yes.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Tendonitis of the elbow.
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:24:07 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

My wife has tendonitis from being overworked in an understaffed university 
library - those books are heavy, you know.  She wanted to be able to do a 
basic cascade, after all just about everybody else can.  I'd bought some 
scarves, for completeness mainly, I'm a gadget freak: they don't aggravate 
her injury so she uses them.
And as Ultravision showed us, a blacklight and some flourescent scarves can 
look pretty damn good.

  No Trespassing: 4/17ths of a haiku.     D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk   fax 6040
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: ke94002@black.ox.ac.uk (Daniel J Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: 'Named' patterns
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:14:21 GMT
Organization: Oh, come /on/..
Originator: ke94002@black

ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ) writes:

>Try a clawed Mills Mess - thats a fun one, and it can be pretty impressive
>when done well.

 Does anyone know /why/ clawing Mills Mess is so much harder than
the basic pattern? It's the same thing with basic stuff like the
reverse cascade -- the increase in difficulty between cascade and
clawed cascade is far, far less than that between the rev.casc. and
clawed rev.casc.. Really strange.

>but my advice is
>buy "Beyond the Cascade", which is a wonderful little book, and which
>is where I learned it from.

 Yup. Definitely. After all, I managed to learn Rubenstein's
Revenge from that alone (well, there's Rick R doing the thing for
about 0.15 seconds on the Beauty of 3-ball juggling video, but his
version is a lot whizzier than mine..) with no feedback-type help
or anything. Dead good book.

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Subject: Re:Music
From: C1899007@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (tobin lathrop)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:59:59 CST
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS
NNTP-Posting-Host: umslvma.umsl.edu

   i like a lot of stuff by The Art of Noise... especially Beat Box and
Close To The Edit, two really great songs to juggle to... front 242 is
nice but sometimes too fast... anything bouncy by They Might Be Giants...
ditto for depeche mode and new order... if you can find anything by stewart
copeland (yes the drummer for the police) his solo work is real good...
i also like to juggle to SKA music... generally anything with a 'bouncy'
beat to it is good to juggle to...
 
                       -tobin
                         c1899007@umslvma.umsl.edu
                         c1899007@umslvma.bitnet
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From: juggler@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Michael Cohen)
Subject: Re: juggling clubs : enough ! enough!
Organization: Columbia University, Biological Sciences Dept.
Distribution: universe 
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:08:27 GMT

In article <OLIN.93Jan4193648@obelisk.sics.se> olin@sics.se (Peter Olin) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec31.052314.16895@ncsu.edu> mohit@apollo.psrc.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar) writes:
>   i am glad at least someone else also feel that this info about the clubs
>   need to be put in a proper file instead of each club sending detailed
>   albeit separate info about their activities.
>---------
>
>	I disagree. I think it's most valuable to get this kind of
>	information first hand from a "non-anonymous" source.
>
>	The messages are short and information dense. Let's not try to
>	stop valuable information by over organizing things. If you
>	like to assemble the posted information, that would be great,
>	but I see no harm in having it available first hand from the
>	original posters here in rec.juggling.

Yes indeedy!  It would be great to have someone compile a list of all
the clubs but until THAT happens let's just get out the information!

Michael.
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From: Angus Orde <A.Orde@leeds-metropolitan.ac.uk>
Subject: Convention in Italy
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Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:42:00 PST
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>During the conversation, Nino suggested that we have a convention in Italy, 
>more specifically, at Rastelli's birthplace.  He commented that, "...this is 
>one convention Francis Brunn would come to."  My bags are waiting to be 
>packed for Italy.  But more realistically, people are kicking the idea 
>around.  What do you folks think?

Great, but who is going to organise it? The 1991 European Juggling Convention 
in Verona was organised by an Englishman, and mostly attended by Brits and 
Germans (plus a number of Americans, though almost NO Italians). If the IJA 
want to hold a Convention in Europe, I hope everyone here would applaud 
(assuming all the europeans who are not members of IJA can attend!).

Cheers,

Angus
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From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: the Georgian shuffle..
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:02:53 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.


In article <9301081356.AA23456@sun70.src.bae.co.uk> matthews@src.bae.co.uk (Neil Matthews) writes:

   Andy Lewis (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk) writes:

   > >And, do you know the Georgian Shuffle?
   > 
   > No - what is it?
   > 

   The Georgian Shuffle as I was shown it is a 3 ball multiplex pattern.

Full and concise explanation of Georgian Shuffle omitted.

There's a realy nice variation you get when you combine this with
Burkes-Barrage which makes the pattern symetrical.

But, who is George? Does anybody know who invented this pattern? I
first saw it at the 1991 EJC where a German girl showed it me. By the
end of the convention just about everyone I spoke to was telling me
about the great new multiplex pattern they'd learnt. So who is
responsable?
	Ab.
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From: mohit@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess miscelannia...
Originator: mohit@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: mohit@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:08:28 GMT


Ab Wilson in article# 3432 writes:

>> Did anyone see the blind juggling contest (blindfold 3 ball cascade)
>> at the 92 BJC. After Haggis won he continued in Mills Mess.

wow! and like a dud I assumed my doing rev. cacade blind folded was a
big deal :-(( what is the record in simple 3-ball cascade blind folded
(# of catches or time) ??

mohit

ps: please don't tell me that doing mills mess with backside of hand is
also no big deal since thta was my goal/resolution  for this year !!  
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From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: showers, wrists
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:08 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"


There is some debate about whether half showers or full showers (especially
with 4 balls) is easier. The full shower is obviously physically harder,
both from the site swap analysis, but also a glance at the network records
list shows that, with any number of objects, the half showers have much longer
records than the full showers.

However, the full shower maybe (for some) easier mentally. It's more natural
(remember what you thought juggling was before you learned the cascade?) and
easier on the eyes (you only need to watch throws from one side, though you
do need to see more of them per unit of time). It is this mental - physical
tradeoff that makes one pattern or the other easier to learn for any individual.
Also, regarding all the talk about carpal tunnel syndrone specifically and
wrist troubles in general: I know of no one who has contracted wrist trouble
because of juggling. Every juggler I know of with such problems contracted them
from keyboarding or other job related activities. Juggling may be hard if 
you've already got wrist trouble (and I suppose it could make it worse), but
that's all. However, juggling (especially numbers juggling) can cause neck and
upper back problems, so all the advice about warming up, stretching, etc.,.
should not be ignored.

Arthur Lewbel    Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: benjamin@corona.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: W. C. Fields
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:55:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
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I guess my first attempt didn't make it...

I think the best clip of W.C. Fields juggling appears in _The Great McGonigle_.
It can also be seen in the hour-long _Juggling_, hosted by Shields and Yarnell.
This is a great tape, which also includes footage of Rastelli, as well as a 
Tongan woman showering 7 tui-tui nuts.  I think Dube' used to sell (I'll have
to check their new catalog).

W.C. Fields wasn't necessarily a very technical juggler, but he had great      
characters.  My favorite part of the above clip is where he's dropped cigar
boxes a ll over the floor, and as he kicks one foot into the air, it's the
other foot (on the ground) which sends a box in the opposite direction!
-Ben
From: benjamin@corona.math.washington.edu (Benjamin Schoenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess miscelannia...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:37:47 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan11.220828.1709@ncsu.edu> mohit@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar) writes:
>
>Ab Wilson in article# 3432 writes:
>
>>> Did anyone see the blind juggling contest (blindfold 3 ball cascade)
>>> at the 92 BJC. After Haggis won he continued in Mills Mess.
>
>wow! and like a dud I assumed my doing rev. cacade blind folded was a
>big deal :-(( what is the record in simple 3-ball cascade blind folded
>(# of catches or time) ??
>
>mohit
>
>ps: please don't tell me that doing mills mess with backside of hand is
>also no big deal since thta was my goal/resolution  for this year !!  

I've only heard of one person who could do this trick, Brad Zentmeyer.  But
just because one or two people can do a trick like that or Mills Mess blindfolded doesn't mean you shouldn't work on it, or that your blindfolded reverse is no
big deal.  You're still going to impress 99% of the jugglers you meet. Good luckon your resolution!
-Ben
.
From: naw@planet.bt.co.uk (Ab Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess miscelannia...
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:40:05 GMT
Reply-To: naw@planet.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK.

In article <1iog0mINN501@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bj871@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradford J. Linder) writes:

   Just thought I'd like to post this, I just figured out how the hell to do 
   Mill's Mess, and while I'm far from mastering it, I just started it today, 
   and my longest run was of four passes, I just felt proud enough of myself
   to make a fool of myself by announcing it to a large amount of people who 
   can probably do it with their eyes closed...:)  

Did anyone see the blind juggling contest (blindfold 3 ball cascade)
at the 92 BJC. After Haggis won he continued in Mills Mess.
	Ab.
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