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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Advanced Racist Garbage Information Creator installed!
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


TELEX from Ankara Turkey. Reporting by Ella McCoos.

Since a flowchart of the M.U.T.L.U. AI (Artificial Insult) system
was posted to S.C.GREEK, rapid developments have taken place around
this top-secret project of the Turkish Ministry of Truth.

As the MUTLU web continues to be untagled, latest breaking
developments are being reported. Last night the following was found
inside a copy of "PlayTurk", a turkish men's magazine left at the
bathroom stalls at the Ancara International Airport.

The contents follow:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
CONFIDENTIAL
Subject ARGIC (Advanced Racist Garbage Information Creator)

 Turgut, you idiot! Didn't I tell you to be more careful with
important state documents? No wonder the our people have never heard
about the UN resolutions on Cyprus, you probably lost our copy at
some bordello, you moron!

Anyway, here goes: MUTLU has been seriously compromised. We cannot
allow the USENET readers to know MUTLU's real identity. We must do
something quickly. For this reason, the ANADOLU (Advanced Nonsence
And Deception Outgoing Link Unit) interface between MUTLU and
USENET has been replaced. ARGIC (Advanced Racist Garbage
Information Creator) has been installed to feed messages to USENET.

ARGIC uses the same message generator as MUTLU, in fact the first
few ARGIC messages are remarkably similar to older MUTLU postings.
We were not even able to change the HBM component in time, so the
old data merge format remains the same:
 1. First some posting is quoted.
 2. An insult from the HASAN database is then inserted.
 3. A quote from SHAW or other history-writing programs is
    usually then inserted.
 4. The message is then closed with a multi-line Armenian quote
    fabricated especially for us by the quotation fabrication
    department of the ministry.
 5. CAGLAN then adds as many cross-posting groups as possible.

The first few days of ARGIC usage have proven very productive,
especially since unsuspecting victims did not have the chance
to update their KILL files yet.

Yours,
(Signature Illegible)
                                                                               
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: EEC and Greece (was Re: how european...)
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:24:03 GMT

berne@nova3.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:

>I do not believe that money is the only key. For example, would
>Greece have become a member if it were still suffering from the
>"colonels" diktat? <- This is a real question! I think it wouldn't.
I agree with you that in this case Greece wouldn't have become a
member (moreover, it seems that discussions with the EEC that had 
started during the early 60s [or late 50s?] were frozen during the 
67-74 regime). However, it is difficult for me to find other reasons,
apart from economic, justifying why Greece has been accepted as a 
member; I'd say that money is the key issue and the political situation
is considered only on whether it guarantees the rules of the game or not...

--r.

BTW: Has anybody an analysis of the implications of Maastricht treaty
     on the Greek economy?
[  Kairos na yparksei kai kati allo, plhn toy gnwstoy 0ematos...  ]
From: vagelis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Vagelis Vassiliadis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Xenophon Zolwtas.
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:26:03 GMT
Reply-To: vagelis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Vagelis Vassiliadis)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


	Xenophon Zolwtas is one of the most famous professors of economics
in Greece. Although now in his eighties he became widely known 2 years ago
when he was the Prime Minister for some months, in a government supported
by the three main parties of the country. During 50's(?) and seventies he 
used to be the chairman of the Bank of Greece.

He also participated in a number of meetings of the World Bank and the IMF.
In two of those he made the following two statements. Before writing these 
statements here something between myth and reality.

In one of those meetings the President of the Central Bank of a latin American
Country (Brasil?) made his speech in his own language. The participants did not
understand anything apart from the words "Fundo Monetaria". Next it was time
for
Mr. Zolwtas to make his own statement. Another participant told him :
    - I hope you want make your speech in Greek.
And Mr Zolwtas replied.
    - Well not this year but I promise the next one.

Well the Following statement is from that next year:

-------------------------

                             ON NUMISMATIC PLETHORA

   I always wished to address this Assembly in Greek, but I realised that 
 it would have been indeed Greek to all present in this room. I found out,
however, 
 that I could make my address in Greek  which would still be English to
everybody. 
 With your permission, Mr. Chairman, I shall do it now, using with the 
 exception of articles and prepositions only Greek words.

    Kyrie,

  I eulogize the archons of the Panethnic Thesaurus and the Oecumenical 
  Trapeza for the orthodoxy of their axioms, methods and policies, although 
  there is an episode of cacophony of the Trapeza with Hellas.

    With enthusiasm we dialogue and synagonize at the synods of our didymous
  Organisations in which polymorphous economic ideas and dogmas are analysed
  and synthesised.

    Our critical problems such as the numismatic plethora generate some agony
  and melancholy. This phenomenon is characteristic of our epoch. But, to 
  my thesis, we have the dynamism to program therapeutic practices as a 
  prophylaxis from chaos and catastrophe.

    In parallel, a panethnic unhypocritical economic synergy and
  harmonization in a democratic climate is basic.

    I apologise for my eccentric monologue. I emphasize my eucharistia to
you,
  Kyrie, to the eugenic and generous American Ethnos and to the organizers
  and protagonists of this Amphictyony and the gastronomic symposia.

---------------------------



Vagelis Vassiliadis
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: how european do the turks feel
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:33:34 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
: In article <1992Sep8.210754.4220@ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu
:  (Deniz Akkus) writes:
: >
: >I personally don't think Turkey should enter the EEC.  I don't think
: >it makes sense for Turkey in the long run.  I know that Greece is a rather
: >convenient excuse for other governments to stall Turkey.  Actually,
: >I have to say that I am rather thankful to Greece for it.
: 
: 
: Let Turkey just heed the call of the Qur'an and join its Islamic brethren. As
: Valery Giscard d' Estaing had once said, "the eastern border of Greece is the
: eastern border of Europe - beyond that, it is no Europe".

  Well, i hope you don't confuse "the eastern border of Europe" with "the
eastern border of wherever can civilization go". Don't forget that the 
"bunch of countries" of the eastern cost of this old sea have deep roots in
the civlization, that can at least be compared with those of the greek
civlization (and even older).
 
: -- 
: ------------------------    "This is the greatest planet on the face of
: += Dimitris Kouvatsos *=     the earth"
: <dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
: ------------------------           -- Vice President J. Danforth Quayle

--
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Definition of "Greek"
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:41:13 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Yannis Schoinas (schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
>I said:
>>Yannis Schoinas (schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
>>>Can you give me a definition to the word greeks that would explain
>>>why the vlachs or the slavophones are not greeks?
>
>>A reasonable definition that Macedonians and Vlachs are not Greeks
>>is that Greek is not their mother tongue. At least in my universe.
>...
>So, in your universe language specifies the nationality.
>Interesting universe, I dare say. Let's make a tour around
>the world to see if it belongs to your universe.

You asked for a definition, I supplied one. I didn't say it was the
sole definition, or even the sole reasonable definition.

>Basques and Catalans should not be taken as Spanish,

I still regret I never boughht that T-shirt in Barcelona last
summer. It a had figure double of laughter with the text:
"Espanyol? Jo?" (Catalan for "Spanish? Me?")

>Wales should be independent since their
>people are not English and I will not even think of
>believing that Scottish leave in the same state as

Indeed, if you call a Welshman or a Scotsman for "English"
you might not be very well received.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
"Recreation of source code from design documentation can be costly"
IEEE Std 1042/1987
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Macedonia in the 19th ct.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:44:43 GMT

naumoski@cs.ruu.nl (Goce Naumoski) writes:

>Many Macedonian intelectuals in the 19th ct. have written many
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
		 Still laughing ...
>books about the Macedonian identity. One of them was G.Pulevski.
>In 1875 in his book "The book of three languages", Gjorgji Pulevski
>writes:

>"So and the Macedonians are a nation and their place is Macedonia".


>And now a HINT for the Greek friends: Tito was born about 20 years
>				      after the book was published.

 Let me give you another hint.  How many of the neighbors of Skop(l)ja
 regognize (or admit) the existence of a Macedonian nation?

 Since when the barinwashing of people by the communist regime of Tito,
 gives them the right to call themselves "Macedonians?"

 And what is going to hapen in the future if these people, who call themselves
 "Macedonians", demand "their" land from Greece? Not to mention, that they
 have done so in the past, and kept doing their propaganda. 

 Of course, the last two questions are not asked to Mr. naumoski.  After all,
 his views/intensions against greece are well known.

>Regards,
>Goce.

-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: jd@slc3.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS !!!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:12:41 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <1992Sep10.194915.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8638760@cc.newcastle.edu.au (THE MACEDONIAN STATE--------> IS INEVITABLE) writes:
>  I AM VERY SORRY BUT YOU CAN NOT BE MACEDONIAN   AND   GREEK AT THE SAME
>  TIME.
>
>      @    MACEDONIANS ARE NOT GREEK ,SERBIAN,BULGARIAN,ALBANIAN AS THESE 
>           PEOPLE WOULD WANT THEM TO BE, AND MOST OF ALL ARE NOT SLAVS!

	You are absolutely correct, skopian-macedonians are a bastard race
	made up of all of the above. So what? You want to be an independent
	nation/state so be it. But find a name of your own, and don't kid
	your self you are the one who is spreding 'propaganda', and pity
	you since you obviously realy believe the lies you yourself spread ...
From: pef@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Panayotis Fouliras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: MERIKES GENIKES PARATHRHSEIS...
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:01:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Agapite Giwrgo (Rimiki),

pou pas gia metaptyxiaka an epitrepetai kai epanw se ti thema?

Panayotis
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: Greek communities throughout europe
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:40:46 GMT

In article <BuD923.IFJ@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan) writes:
>
>com'on Panos,
>
>Oh man, he he he he he. Panos has been to Turkiye. Well, well, well.
>As far as I remember correctly, a couple weeks ago, you wrote an article
>which contains the sentence "I wouldn't like to go to Turkey...".
>I am searching for that article. This sentence proves that you haven't been 
>to Turkey Panos. In English we call this situation "LYING". he he he he
>
>> One thing that impressed me was the dressings of women (i.e. they were
>> covering their faces), and that there were relatively few women walking
>> in the roads. I was said, that Constantinopolis is the most modern
>> part of Turkey.
>
>  Your hatred towards Turkiye popped up again. he he he he he. ho ho ho..
>You made my day man. he he he he. Have you dreamed lately? he he he...
>You have never been to Turkey, right? They were covering their faces ha?
>he he he. Were they walking up side down as well ha? he he he he..
>Panos Panos Panos, you and I know quite well that you have never been to
>Turkey ho ho ho ho ho
>

Hakan, you should not pick on people who have certain handicaps.
You should know better than what you have done 8-).  This only disturbs 
them more than helping their stressful life.  Letting them being alone 
is the only therapy that one can offer to those suffering poor souls.
Istanbul is visited by 5 millions tourists by every year.
Istanbul speaks for itself.

C. Akgun
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: FTE article 7th Sept.
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:55:04 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne



Article from the FTE Monday 7th Sept. 92 p. 2.

Spyros G.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Title : Athens wins praise for narrowing gap.
        -------------------------------------

  Greece was given a gentle pat on the back by the European Commision at
the weekend for its attempts to narrow the economic gap with the rest of
the European Community.

  EC finance ministers meeting in Bath - preoccupied with the tension in
the EMS - were able only to glance at a report on the Greek economy.

  But Mr Henning Christophersen, the EC commisioner for economic affairs,
said afterwards that the Community had seen "clear progress during the
last few months" as Greece laboured to meet economic convergence targets
set by the Maastricht treaty. Mr Christophersen said he expected Greece's
convergence programme to be discussed by the finance ministers at a
formal meeting in October or November.

  The Commision comments are particularly heartening for Greece coming
just two days after the critical report on the country's economy by the
Paris-based  OECD. The OECD said Greece would have to apply its economic
adjustment programme much more rigorously to curb tax evasion and
improve efficiency in the public sector.

  Mr Stefanos Manos, the Greek finance minister, said at the weekend
that Greece had been "working very hard" to recover from the
economic problems of the 1980s.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: naumoski@cs.ruu.nl (Goce Naumoski)
Subject: Macedonia in the 19th ct.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:40:59 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

Many Macedonian intelectuals in the 19th ct. have written many
books about the Macedonian identity. One of them was G.Pulevski.
In 1875 in his book "The book of three languages", Gjorgji Pulevski
writes:

"So and the Macedonians are a nation and their place is Macedonia".


And now a HINT for the Greek friends: Tito was born about 20 years
				      after the book was published.

Regards,
Goce.
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Dialects (was Re: Confusions...)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:52:48 GMT
	<7298@charon.cwi.nl> <Sep14.015231.21242@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Organization: OSF Research Institute

In article <7298@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:

   One remark here.  There is no linguistic difference between dialect and
   language.  Could you please elaborate on what you mean by dialect as
   distinctive from language?

In article <Sep14.015231.21242@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

   That there are rules that can convert from one dialect to another of a
   language. Of cource, the rules won't be absolute as there will be
   exceptions. Also, each dialect might have words that are particular to
   it, or words that are considered archaic by the other dialect.

Nice try, but unfortunately this definition won't work in most of the
world.  It _does_ more or less work for Modern Greek dialects because
they are all fairly close (Cypriot is the most distant of the major
ones).

In other parts of the world, you will discover that there is a
continuum of 'dialects' across wide areas where there are many
'languages'.  For instance, from Austria to the Netherlands, there are
no sharp dividing lines among the local Germanic dialects, although
there are several literary languages.  Similarly, in South Slavic,
from Bulgaria to Slovenia, there is a continuum of dialects, but
several literary languages (Bulgarian, (Slavo-)Macedonian, Serbian,
Croatian (linguists usually talk of a single language Serbo-Croatian),
and Slovenian).

There are no 'rules' for converting among these dialects in general,
although there are some 'rules' for determining sound changes from the
(usually reconstructed) parent language to the daughter languages and
dialects.  Note in particular in your example of Cypriot that doubled
consonants do not exist in the other dialects, so there can be no
'rule' converting the other dialects to Cypriot.  Of course, there
_are_ doubled consonants in writing, but Modern Greek orthography
reflects the pronunciation of Ancient Greek, not Modern, just as
English orthography reflects the pronunciation of Elizabethan English.

	-s
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Visiting Greece
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:51:00 GMT

hk0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harry Karatassos) writes:
>I intend to visit Greece soon and was wondering as to what sites I
>should visit.  I am interested in the 1821 revolution and the years
>before that during the Turkish rule.  I would like to see sites that
>convey the living conditions of people back then especially church and
>monastaries.  Does anyone have any suggestion as to where I should go?

If you are able to travel around Greece, I'd suggest spending some days
in Mount Athos. The monasteries there have preserved a lot from the
Christian tradition of the last centuries. Another good choice would be 
Meteora in Thessaly.

If you stay in Athens, I'd suggest visiting the following three museums:
- The Benaki Museum at Vasilissis Sofias  avenue, near Syntagma.
- The Historical and Ethnological Museum at Stadiou street (Kolokotroni
  square, near Syntagma as well).
- The Byzantine Museum at Vasilissis Sofias avenue.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8506 soc.culture.turkish:9724 soc.culture.europe:8149
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Turkish AI project: ByteWeek report
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


 Quoted from ByteWorld, 9/3/92, Page 3Dh.

 ANKARA, TURKEY 9/2/92. Reported by Ella McCoos. Turkish Officials
 at the Ministry of Truth denied allegations that an AI machine
 code named MUTLU has been developed by their ministry and attached
 to USENET. The rumors began when a document containing the plans
 for MUTLU was found in an ashtray at the Ankara Motor Inn, Room 69,
 after a visit by a couple who signed in as "Mr and Mrs Smithpasha".

 The Turkish Minister of Truth, Hanum Paspat, stated his denial
 of the rumors by reading from a computer printout:
 "I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-par
 lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those
 to 'prove' that the M.U.T.L.U project exists".

 ByteWorld is following this story closely, and will report on
 events as they take place.

 Ella McCoos, exclusively for ByteWorld

 ----


 Michael.
                                        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: naumoski@cs.ruu.nl (Goce Naumoski)
Subject: Greece and democracy (reposting)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:38:33 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science


After insisting of some readers on the net, I decided to repost the
article from SCY to SCGreek, EunetPolitics and TalkPolitics.

In <1992Sep9.082354.17059@cs.ruu.nl> naumoski@cs.ruu.nl (Goce Naumoski) writes:

>I'd like to say a few words about the democracy in Greece.
>
>Yesterday evening (8 September) from 20.25 to 21.00 (7.25-8pm GMT) 
>on the Dutch television channel one, in "TIJDSEIN", there was
>a story about the Thrace and the Turkish population living there.
>They are called "Greek Muslims" by the Greeks, they have no right to
>call themselves Turks. The camera-team was everywhere followed by
>the Greek secret police (the same as early this year when a Belgian
>team has made story about the Macedonians in the Aegean Macedonia).
>Evry step of the team has had to be known, their camera was distroyed.
>The Greek authorities were saying "The Thrace is Greek, and will
>always be Greek" (the same as about Macedonia), and that the West
>didn't understand what was happening, and that there was a danger from
>the muslims.
>
>We were able to see "a democratic" behavior of a country (EC member),
>against the journalists from other EC countries.
>It was very interesting.
>
>Regards,
>Goce.
>
>PS. For the Greek friends: just keep thinking about the greatest democracy
> 			    on the world.
>
>
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Dimitra Galani CDs?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:09:21 GMT

strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) asks:

>Are there any other Greek woman singers who perform similar materials
>with similar musicianship, both in the songs and the accompaniments?

Well, I think the following Greek woman singers have sung similar music:

- Alkistis Protopsalti
- Margarita Zorbala
- Arleta
- Melina Tanagri
- Maria Dimitriadou
- Maria Farantouri

Any other suggestions?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia