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From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: X-rays (airports) and film
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:49:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <1992Jul28.193958.4028@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, pmt@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Tromovitch Philip) writes:

> A few questions about what is safe, and what is not safe, for film.
> 
> Is it safe to let the airports X-ray my carry-on camera bag w/ film in it?

In most cases, yes. The x-ray machines here in Sweden has actually been
tested with x-ray film and the results were good -- the film sheets
weren't fogged.

> On international flights, the baggage that goes under the plane
> is supposed to be X-rayed, is this safe for film?

No. Those machines are stronger.

> How about a box of film mailed from Europe to the USA; does it get
> X-rayed as it comes through customs?

In most cases, yes.

> And lastly, are the answers to the above questions the same for exposed,
> as well as unexposed film?

Yes.

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From: eephdki@prism.gatech.EDU (Intaek Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Wanted 100mm(f2.8) Zuiko lens
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:01:59 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I need a 100mm (f2.8) Zuiko lens for my OM-1.
If you have one for sale, please let me know.

Intaek
From: krazykid@pub2.nntp-read.bu.edu (Ernest Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: SPORTS ILLUSTRATED SWIMSUIT ISSUE: What Camera/lens?
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:17:13 GMT
	<1992Jul30.204618.20171@clark.edu>
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA
In-reply-to: gsnow@clark.edu's message of 30 Jul 92 20:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.204618.20171@clark.edu> gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:

>  In article <n2pmqs=.hchong@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
>  >> 
>  >> You see, the world doesn't always belong to Nikon.
>  >
>  >Oh yeah?  I got one for you.  Canon cameras are made of plastic (so I was
>  >told). 

>  So are bullet proof windows....:-)

>  Gary

Oh what the heck.  But the windows are at least a couple of inches
thick.  :)

Ernie
krazykid@csa.bu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis)
Subject: Re: EV units
Reply-To: donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:01:42 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.025228.4062@cello.hpl.hp.com>,
jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson) writes:

|> Donl meant to say that EV *0* is f/1 and 1 second,

Well, yes -- absolutely.

When something goes wrong, I'm the first to admit it.  The first to
admit it, and the last one to know.

(When something goes right, well, it's likely to lose me.  It's apt to
confuse me, because it's such an unusual sight.)

|> and also that it was
|> intended to let you compute exposure without thinking about *f-stops or
|> shutter speeds*; the EV you must set does depend on film speed.

Well, then, this one I think is a matter of perspective.  In
Hasselblad's implementation, or whoever else used the scheme of locking
the shutter speed and aperture combinations together around the barrel
of the lens, your perspective seems appropriate.  When I'm dealing with
my light meter, though, and a good, old-fashioned camera that has
shutter speeds and apertures where they *belong*, it's a different kind
of thing.

- donl mathis at Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
donl@sgi.com

"We're seeing Buicks the size of prominences!"
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Subject: Re: Summary of Canon EOS 10s vs Elan vs Pentax PZ1 vs Nikon 8008s
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:57:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.211307@wrl.dec.com>, farkas@wrl.dec.com (Keith Farkas) writes:
> More than a week ago, I posted a request for comments regarding the merits
> of the Canon EOS 10s, ELAN, Pentax PZ1 and Nikon 8008s. What follows are
...
> + METERING TYPE -- I mentioned in my original post that the Canon EOS 10 did
>   not offer spot metering. Some felt that "Spot metering is wonderful" (Dan
>   Liddell) while others felt that partial metering can nearly as effective
>   and thus spot metering is not a "need-to-have" feature.
> 
In many units, the partial metering falls off over a fair distance, rether than
droping right off. If the metering patern has steep skirts, it is not that
important what size it is. All spot metering paterns are the same size, TOO BIG.

>     Also, at a photo show I had the opportunity to check out side-by-side
>     the 10s, Elan, and 1 each with a 28-80L f2.8-4.0.  I got news for you.
>     the Elan's AF topped out in "lowest contrast" test (No AF assist
>     light).  Otherwise they were all similar.  (I didn't check the 1's
>     4.5fps AI Servo claim).  The zoom was set to the wide end to allow the
>     1's crossed sensor to operate.  (Both the 10s' and the Elan's AF chip
>     focuses crossed contrast with all lenses, the 1 requires f2.8 or
>     faster.)
> 

The 28-80L is the worst-case for AF. Havent been able to get a good explanation
exactaly why. The high speed servo-focus is kind of fun if you are tracking your
subject with the L, speed varies from ~4fps to ~1.5 depending on light and
distance.

~Paul
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: AF/AE vs. Manual aka All That Jazz
Keywords: opinions
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:03:09 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Labratory, Washington, DC

In article <l6p6phINN5uc@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.202331.20228@clark.edu> gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:
>>
>>I have found that most of the "anti-AF/AE crowd" hasn't used an AE/AF camera
>>enough to even know that they can turn things on and off, they just like
>>to complain that the camera does it for them when they wanted to do it
>>for themselves......:-)

	With the exception of the F4 and EOS1, using an AF/AE camera in
maunual mode is in general a pain.  I don't have much experience with
the AF stuff, but using an AE Canon A1 in manual is a royal pain.
You look in the view finder to find out what the exposure should be,
then you put the camera down to look at the aperture, adjust it,
put the camera back up, recompose, then take the picture, no thanks.
And all the auto DX stuff, how am I suppose to use bulk load film?
I am sure there is a way to overide the auto DX, after about a sequence
of 15 button pushes and knob twisting.

>Consider that some of the "anti-AF/AE crowd" have some other objections
>to jumping into the new stuff:
>
>	1. The cost of "upgrading" may not be buying them enough to
>	   warrent doing so.

	$600 for a manual focus 85L compare to a $1500 AF 85L is reason
enough for me not to switch.

>	5. Some can go ahead and borrow their wive's (or husband's)
>	   whizzo gadget for shooting races when they come up.

	Exactly, I wouldn't mind having a EOS10s and 85 f1.8 floating
around just for fun, but I rather spend my money on something else.

>Anyone interested in a full-up Canon F-1/T90 system with lenses, cases,
>flash stuff, etc?  It all seems so techie, and my concertinas would like
>to have some more bellows-equipped friends around the house...

	What do you have?

-Anthony
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Summary: Professinition?
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:40:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul24.184231.20250@clark.edu> gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:
>Def: Professional (noun): one who has acquired special skill in or knowledge
>                          and mastery of something.

That's a metaphorical usage of the word.  Literally, 'professional' means
one who does something for a living or in order to earn money.

Don't people around here know English?

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From: accwai@math.waterloo.edu (Andy Wai)
Subject: Re: Spot meters
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:00:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.002934.9180@odin.corp.sgi.com> donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis) writes:
>In article <DENNY.92Jul22140329@helium.tss.com>, denny@tss.com (Denny
>Page) writes:
>|> Thoughts on the Minolta Spot-F or the (unmodified) Pentax digital?
>
>[...]  The Minolta is probably less suited for zone
>system work, because it doesn't seem to have a convenient means for
>place and fall.  Perhaps I'm wrong; I hope so!

As far as I know, you're absolutely right.  If you must do place and fall,
you have to make yourself a cardboard dial and do it from there.  It does
have highlight and shadow bias, but its idea of highlight and shadow is
fixed, two and a half stop from mid gray, can't be changed.  Also, a friend
of mine said that if you hold down the measure button for a long time, the
whole meter will lock up and the only way to free it is to take the battery
out.

Of all the spot meters I have tried, the one that's best for zone system
type work is the Sekonic 779.  It has a group of "zone marks" that you
can move around along its analog scale, independent of the current reading.
That's how you do placement.  The highlight and shadow marks indicate
where the extremes are so you can tell at a glance where the current
reading is relative to highlight and shadow in addition to mid gray.
The two marks can be reprogrammed relative to the mid gray mark, so you
can set it up for transparency, color or b&w neg.  The meter has a five
reading memory, and all the stored values are simultaneously displayed
on the analog scale.  So you can also tell at a glance where the current
reading is relative to the previous ones.  If you make a habit of latching
your highlight value, you can even get your expansion number right off
the scale.  Whoever designed this thing obviously know something about
zone system.  What's more, it's dead accurate in both ambient and the
two flash modes.  Great stuff, seems to eat battery at an incredible
rate though...

Andy Wai
From: rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard Herwig)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Shooting into the sun
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:49:16 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

I'd like to shoot an early morning sceene over a wetland with a lot of ground
fog.  The shot is toward the east so the morning sun is right there.  I want
to use B&W film and do my own processing (35mm).

Any suggestions on film, exposure, processing would be appreciated!

TANKS

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From: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Schneider and Rodenstock lenses
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: swatko@airbag.enet.dec.com (Mike Swatko)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH

--
I'd like to throw another lens into the pot...

I've noticed the Caltar 90mm lenses seem to run a bit cheaper than
Schneider, Nikon, and Rodenstock.  Anyone have opinions on these?
Who makes them?

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From: dbm@vulcan.anu.edu.au (David R. Braddon-Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Nikkor 180mm f2.8
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:26:49 GMT

there is no AF version available..(of 85 or 105 Nikkor)

There is certainly an 85 1.8 in AF; ther eis a 105 too if you count
the 2.8 micro-nikkor, tho perhaps thats slpwer than
you had in mind for portrait/fashio work..


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David Braddon-Mitchell
Division of Philosophy and Law
Research School of Social Sciences
Australian National University
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: DH02000 <DH02@polytec1.polymtl.ca>
Subject: RE: Any Nikon 8008 regrets (get the F4?)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:56:28 GMT

In article <b9p802=i1bCz01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> daf00@da.amdahl.com (Dana A Freiburger) writes:
>
>Do you regret not getting an F4 instead of the 8008? Why?

Actually I regret getting the Nikon F4s and not the 8008s (could've
saved big $$).  I believe the 8008s (NOTE the "s") has *most* of the
features a *non-super-professional* could ever want in the Nikon line.
The "s" version has the spot metering plus ofcourse the matrix and
center-weighed, whereas the non-s version doesn't have spot metering.
The only disadvantage (if you must) is that the built in motor-drive
of the 8008s doesn't match the 5.7 fps of the F4s, but I believe that
the 5.7 fps is useless for a *non-professional* like me, and also that
to use that high a fps, one must have a 250-exposure back!

I recommend you read the last paragraph of the F4s review in Pop. Photo
(June 1989 - I thank Rupin for that!)!  And also don't forget to buy
the Nikon SB-24 Speedlite to go with it (with the $$ you save from
not buying a F4s) - it's a real beauty.

However, if your girlfriend is a *real* pro, my suggestions become
invalid!!I would certainly recommend you to call up 1-800-NIKON-US
and ask them to mail you a brochure on the two cameras or you go
pick it up yourself from your friendly neighborhood Nikon Advanced
Systems dealer (incidentally a call to the same phone no. would
direct you to dealers in your area!!)

-Tamal Ghosh
 Genie chimique
 Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal


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From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson)
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science
	<1992Jul22.180317.17955@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
	<1992Jul23.170656.4831@clark.edu> <PHR.92Jul23130212@soda.berkeley.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:47:57 GMT

In article <PHR.92Jul23130212@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:

>By most people's definitions, a pro is someone whose primary source
>of income is photography.

>Around here, the press passes you need for the police to let you into
>news events like riots are issued by the police depts themselves;
>generally you need to be employed by a newspaper or news agency to get
>one.  This means a real newspaper, not an amateur one.  They do issue
>some to freelance pro news photographers but these are -very- hard to
>get.  You need to have a large track record (lots of published work)
>to get these.

I wish that these kinds of attempts by the government to regulate the
economy would cease. Why should the police have the right to decide
who gets to attempt to make a living by taking pictures?

Any followups to this probably belongs in some other newsgroup. Feel
free to choose one of your liking.
--
Per Danielsson				pd@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
From: peterd@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Peter Davidoff)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:49:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: shutter speed and lightning
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.photo


Bob:

  > ...Most mortals just leave the shutter open for a few seconds
  > and hope to catch the lightning. 

...So, Bob... how big a mit do you use :)  [Sorry, couldn't help
the response].
  Peter
From: mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Lens shading (Re: Schneider and Rodenstock lenses)
Keywords: lens quality
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:38:39 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@ex.heurikon.com (Mike Mayer)
Distribution: na
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

In article <1992Jul27.165255.19217@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com> kjm@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com (Ken J. McFadden) writes:
#In article <1992Jul22.015546.18486@odin.corp.sgi.com> donl@glass.esd.sgi.com (donl mathis) writes:
#>And this Geoff guy forced *me* to buy a hat, too.  Unbelievable.  "You
#>need a hat," he says.
#>
#>Well, anyway, I guess he was right.
#>
#>- donl mathis at Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
#>donl@sgi.com
#
#Alright, but what do you guys do with your hair after you take the hat off?
#Whenever I wear a hat for a while, I suffer from "hat hair".  I can't comb the
#effect away and people can tell I was wearing a hat until I wash my hair the
#next morning.  You're just trying to scare me away from ever trying large format
#aren't you?  8^)

After learning how to produce good quality large format negatives you'll
have so little hair left that you will *want* to wear a hat to hide
the fact.  :-)
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From: mh@cs.cornell.edu (Michael Hopcroft)
Subject: E-6 Stabilizer
Keywords: Jobo, E-6, E6
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:26:13 GMT

Does anyone know how important the stabilizer (or final rinse step) is when
doing E-6 processing?  Currently, I'm using the Jobo chemistry that doesn't
include the stabilizer.  I just bought some Kodak E-6 Final Rinse, but am
hesitant to use it before I get better ventilation in my darkroom.  I've been
processing sheet film with the idea that I could possibly stabilize it later,
or not at all.  I figure if I do stabilize the transparencies I've already
developed, I'll presoak them in water, first so the chemicals can permeate the
entire thickness of emulsion.  Finally, does anyone know anything about the
chemical in Kodak E-6 Final Rinse (says something like "substituted thizolin")?
It's not in my Overexposure book and I'm still awaiting the material safety
data sheet from Kodak.

-Mike
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:38:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Jul24.183810.20077
Distribution: na
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Jul24.175754.25415@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
>
>This is a generic flame - not really intended for any particular poster....
>
>Do any of these "want-to-be pros" give any thought to the fact that they may
>be interfering with the work of real pros - i.e. guys who are trying to make
>a living, not just having fun? If I were a photographer who's livelyhood
>depended on getting good shots I'd be very annoyed (to put it mildly) at these
>guys getting under my feet. 

I think that is total garbage. There are quite a few other Photogs at most
events that such an idea would be ludicrous.  A photog at the event wouldn't
even give it a thought, and would consider it a part of the job.  What would
they care, just as long as they get there shots. In what way would that
"annoy" you. There is such a thing as Photgrapher Courtesy you know. Now
I can understand if the gatecrashers weren't practicing Photgrapher Courtesy,
but thats another thing altogether, and are few and far between in the
photographer community (at least I like to think so :-)

Please, this isn't a FLAME, so don't treat it as such, I just get excited
sometimes with hot subjects such as this, and I consider the term
"want-to-be pros" to be quite derogatory.

Gary

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From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Exp. with N6006 or EOS 10s?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:29:32 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Originator: asanders@sparta

| If I were you, I would get the 10s over the 6006....
| its a much better value.
			    -Gary

There's no doubt that the 10s has more bells and whistles.
Whether it's a better value or not is another question
entirely. For example, the long-term durability of the
10s, with it's all-plastic body (including the film
rails), is very much open to question.

I'd advise anyone considering these two cameras to buy
the one he LIKES BEST.
			-Alan
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Re: PZ-1 zoom clip
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:21:02 GMT


Well do not take my example too literally. YOu mention that maybe
you'd rather have 90mm or 70mm, whatever.

You can preset your lens to whatever focal length you desire. And
even if you do not have the foresight to use the technology, there
is manual zoom control by pulling back on the zoom ring.

Come on, don't critisize new technology, after all, they DO let you
do it the way you want anyway. I remember people grousing about
zoom lens! Then autofocus, then battery powered cameras, and even
autoexposure. Well, as we have seen in the last ten years, even
Nikon's top camera is autofocus, autoexposure, powered by
batteries.

For you manual everything diehards, we sell Pentax K-1000s,
virtually unchanged from 1975...


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From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon EOS Elan?  and alternatives?
Date: 20 Jul 92 10:23:24 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <1992Jun23.185440.15480@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest) writes:

> In article <l4ela3INNeun@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> zax@kenpo.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
> >Last weekend i was taking pictures in a gym using an external
> >flash and 100-300 mm ultrasonic zoom.  I was trying the different
> >settings but somehow i can't get rid of the camera shake (camera
> >warning feature) then i noticed the shutter speed was very low,
> >around 6-4 seconds!  I was in EF mode, by the way.  I know, i know,
> >i may have to use a tripod but i didn't bring one for this event!
> 
> What flash were you using?  You need one with at least enough Canon
> dedication to tell the Camera you have a flash, and that will force a
> shutter speed of 1/60 - 1/250 (1/125?).

Not in the Tv and Av modes.

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From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Enlarger light sources
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul23.224125.5816
Organization: University of Washington

I have an old Omega D2 with Omegalite coldlite head.    What does this
do to me if I am working with multicontrast papers?   Or (god forbid)
if I should attempt to do color work with  this?    Presumably, there
should be a way to filter the light enough to cancel the blue-green
cast to the light....   
 
 		rene@hardy.u.washington.edu
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