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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Salad fixin's with no fat
Date: 07 Sep 92 03:29:03 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

I use balsamic vinegar to dress my salads. I haven't eaten
salad dressing per se for two-and-a-half years. If balsamic
isn't available, rice vinegar is a mild and pleasant
alternative, but fortunately for me our dining rooms all
have the balsamic in their salad bars.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Hypnosis tape
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:17:09 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In the report posted a few days ago about the hypnosis tape (sorry,
its expired from my system, so I can't quote it) I got the impression
that the user hadn't listened to it concious before using it
overnight, and that it was only when they were woken up during the
night when it was running that they actually listened to what it said.

This strikes me as rather dangerous.  Surely before you start feeding
messages to your sub-concious you should know what they are.

Alison
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: Thoughts to procrastinate with...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:16:31 GMT

In article <saitowit.16@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>,
saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (SAITOWITZ L S) writes:
>The other night I was watching a film on the founding of the A.A. (
>alcoholics anonymous) and got to thinking, there are so many parallels
>between trying to diet and giving up an addiction. I mean food for me is
>like an addiction. I get cravings, mostly I think they're psycological,
>I'm not hungry but I'll go into the pantry and look around for "forbidden
>foods" an apple or salad just doesn't make the grade. I'll eat them, sure,
>but sure as hell I'll be back in time for something more substantial. Does
>anybody else do that too? I'm not fat, but I'm chubby (from my point of
>view) I weigh about 66Kg (I don't know what that is in pounds)
>I also eat to procrastinate, it's like this little interupt every fifteen
>minutes or so... BEEP should I go find something to eat? or I think it's
>time for another coffee break.
>I think this whole way of thinking is abnormal but how do I stop
>thinking about it?
>Well I've gotto go work, bye!
>


You do know there is a group called OA which is overeaters anonymous
that uses the 12 step program and meetings.  I have been a emotional
eater all my life and I have craved sweets all my life.  What
stopped me now is very complicated.  But I just decided to see if I
could actually do it and I am.  I have a long way to go but as long
as I am losing something I hope I won't get discouraged.

Alma
From: burdickj@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Jennifer Burdick)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

Greetings everyone!
    I'm looking for some advice on sandwich spreads.  Can someone help
with choosing the lesser evils?  Before we get started, let me note that
I usually do not use the following items.  However, my husband would like
something moist/flavorful with his veggie/turkey sandwiches.
    First, butter or margarine?  My husband says butter is better because 
it is solid at room temperature.  I think they are about equally bad, but
if we have to have one type in the house, which would be better?  And,
if margarine, the tub or stick variety?  Secondly, is non-fat mayonnaise
better?  Is oil&vinegar better (he only uses it in moderation)?  Thirdly,
is there anything else that people like to use on their sandwiches 
(besides mustard, such as seasonings)?  Any advice on the above topics
would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks!  Jennifer Burdick (burdickj@octopus.dpsi.com)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Subject: Re: I just got back from vacation...
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:43:48 GMT

Hi, Lynn --

Congrats!  Good going!

Don't fret even a minute about not losing while on vacation.
Not gaining is a victory! 

I'd be more concerned about the insulin shock than about the
few calories you had to add -- and don't ever go back to that
place.  Also, you might want to advise folks who live in that
part of the country where that place was so it can be avoided.


But again, great going!

Scotti

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:41:08 GMT

In <63620028@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:

[  ]

>As somebody (me?) once said: "Self-control and will-power have their
>place, but you can't live on will-power alone."  Various behaviorists
>have urged me to have some kind of contingency plan.  I've been
>pretty successful at that, so far.  Now, if I could only do my
>finances as well....   :-|

>Pete Brooks


hey pete...

if you figure out the finance plan...let us know :)...

i can use that even more than a plan to cope with stray chocolate.

barb
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"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: csjan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jan Faires)
Subject: Re: WHat about those lousy skinny people?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:19:24 GMT

I've been on both sides of the support issue.  Right now I'm trying
(again) to get healthy; I'm walking every other day (goal: every day for
a half hour or so) and counting fat grams.  My husband also needs to be
more health conscious, but isn't.  Here's where I got to with that:  his
weight/health is his responsibility; my weight/health is my
responsibility.  I'm trying to make no comment about his exercisee or
lack of it; I cook decent, low-fat meals.  They don't always contain
beef, my husband's favorite food.  Sometimes they do.  Sometimes he has
meat and I have cottage cheese.  Sometimes he sends our son to the Dairy
Queen for a Blizzard, if he doesn't like my low-calorie dessert -- or he
eats both!

I think we each have enough to do just taking care of ourselves.  We
can't reasonably expect to change each other, anyway.
From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Dealing with unwelcome advice
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:34:37 GMT
Reply-To: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Followup-To: alt.support.diet
Organization: Boston University

In article <63620027@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>sounds like a question that Miss Manners should field, but for my own
>case, if someone is rash enough to criticize my food choices, I
>smile sweetly and say "it works for me, thank you".  Then again, my
>diet is unlike anything published in a book...
>
>I have a friend who was constantly harping at me to eat "real food",

Fiona?  You listening?
Oh, sorry. Wrong newsgroup.  :>

michelle

--
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: Fat Substitutes
Keywords: Simplesse, etc.
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:20:28 GMT

lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday) writes:

>     "Proteins are also used as fat replacements, the most notable being
>Simplesse from the NutraSweet Company.  Simplesse is made from egg whites
>or milk protein, which is processed to form tiny spheres called
>microparticulated protein.  These spheres give food the same feel as fat
>and are used in yogurt, cheese, frozen desserts and salad dressings.  And
>microparticulated protein can be heated, so fat-free cheese made with 
>Simpleese can be used to make hot foods such as Pizza, casseroles and
>cheesecake."

>     "Simplesse contains only 1 to 2 calories per gram - less than one-
>fifth that of fat.  As a result, fat-free ice cream made with Simplesse
>contains only 100 calories per serving and no fat.  It wins hands down
>over standard ice cream, which is loaded with 240 calories and 14 grams
>of fat per serving."

Can anyone comment on the taste of some of these fat substitutes?  And
can you tell me what products use them?  Most notably, Simplesse.

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: PS on peppers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:42:14 GMT

In <1992Sep2.121311.12690@athena.mit.edu> scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller) writes:


>And now for a little crowing!  I seem to finally be off my
>plateau.  Had my quarterly check-up last week and I'm down 2 lb!
>She has now told me that I've reached a weight she's happy with
>to keep the diabetes under control.  Now I'm gonna lose about
>10 lb FOR ME!

>Keep up the good work on yours.  The last time we spoke you 
>were significantly heavier than your last post!  Again, congrats!
>Cheers! and all that!

>Scotti


bravo, scotti....i am glad you have gotten off your plateau...and keep
it up....

hugs,

kitten
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: Thoughts to procrastinate with...
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 09:19:47 EDT

In article <saitowit.16@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (SAITOWITZ L S) writes:
>The other night I was watching a film on the founding of the A.A. (
>alcoholics anonymous) and got to thinking, there are so many parallels 
>between trying to diet and giving up an addiction. I mean food for me is 
>like an addiction. I get cravings, mostly I think they're psycological,  
>I'm not hungry but I'll go into the pantry and look around for "forbidden 
>foods" an apple or salad just doesn't make the grade. I'll eat them, sure,  
>but sure as hell I'll be back in time for something more substantial. Does 
>anybody else do that too? I'm not fat, but I'm chubby (from my point of 
>view) I weigh about 66Kg (I don't know what that is in pounds)
>I also eat to procrastinate, it's like this little interupt every fifteen 
>minutes or so... BEEP should I go find something to eat? or I think it's 
>time for another coffee break.
>I think this whole way of thinking is abnormal but how do I stop 
>thinking about it? 
>Well I've gotto go work, bye!
>
>Lesley :)
>Saitowit@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za
>"Despite many peoples' belief to the contrary, life plays no favourites."

This is absolutely true.  In fact one of the things that inspired
me to go to WW was that my SO had quit drinking.  He was doing so
well I figured I ought to get my act together.  There are alot of
similarities between drug/alcohol addiction and food (addiction?  that
word is used too often where it shouldn't be...).  I think that
one thing that stands out is the feelings of deprivation ("oh
poor me, I can't (eat/drink) but everyone else can") that both
experience.  Anyway, I also quit drinking with him and that makes
a "diet" much more successful!

Margot



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From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:03:41 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <5679@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
|> 
|> In my opinion you should have had the burgers and fries if that is what
|> you wanted.  There's nothing "wrong" with burgers and fries.  They're
|> not ideal diet food but they're not evil either.  No one, or almost
|> no one, can adhere to a standard of Dietary Perfectionism wherein everything
|> is "counted, defatted, analyzed..."  Food is part of life, part of
|> the necessity of life but also part of the pleasure of life and sometimes
|> that pleasure comes from indulging whims.  
|>

The only problem is some people have this incredible fear that the 
indulging will never stop!  I fight this fear myself!  I must admit
it seems under control at this point cause I have been able to eat
an occasional candy bar and not blow a whole day.  If Tom has been
doing well and losing, the feelings that come with losing are almost
as addictive as the food.  It is as though you are either fighting
the urge to eat or you are so high on you accomplishments that you
think that urge will never come back.  For most of us the incredible
urges to indulge come back and come back in spades!  I have found
that it is not the dieting that gets me - it is the total attitude
change which tells me healthy eating should last for life!  All the
things you said in the preceeding paragraph are true, it is just that
actually practicing them are the very things we are all struggling to 
do!  I appluad Tom for his honesty and perseverance - I know how he 
feels!

 
|> 
|> The worst thing that can happen is for such an incident to sabotage a
|> basically positive and successful program: that's far worse than the
|> incidental damage caused by a few extra calories and some incidental
|> saturated fats floating around your system.

Again this is true, BUT the fear of never stopping is more powerful
than the truth sometimes!

|> 
|> Good luck and hang in there. Remember: progress, not perfection.
|> -- 
|> John Lundberg  
|> jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu 

Thank you John - I want you to know the things you said here are
an inspiration to the guilt ridden.  I need to remember more than
anything the progress not perfection words and keep them in my
thoughts at all times.

See Ya,

Lynn
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:00:57 GMT
Subject: Re: what is applesauce?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

I thought applesauce was a universal, like guacamole.  :-)

It's made from apples that are peeled, then cooked til they are quite
soft, then the resulting pulp is passed through a strainer (ricer, sieve,
etc) so what you get is mashed apples.

Local brands may have some additional sweetening, though (IMHO) the
better tasting stuff contains only apples and water.  Major American
brands are Mott's and TreeTop.

Pete Brooks (See, I can do short posts!)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: vacation from hell
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:00:01 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I think it's entirely wrong-headed to start whipping yourself because
you ate too much fried rice on vacation on Boston.  A diet isn't a set
of moral precepts, it's a lifetime of changed eating habits, and not
one which is broken by even a little "cheating" on vacation.  Gad,
you're upset because you ate _cole slaw_ at the No Name?  You should be
CONGRATULATING yourself that you did this.

This is my take on special events (which are by definition infrequent)
while I'm trying to lose weight: I try to eat moderately, but I don't
get crazy about it.  Sometimes I'm really simply not hungry, and I
use this as an excuse stay on the diet (and pat myself on the back).
Yet sometimes, there will be a special dessert, or a meal where I won't 
have too many "low-cal" alternatives, and I indulge.  Not to the point
of overeating (and I find my appetite is much reduced), but certainly
more than I usually do.  And I don't feel bad about that; I just allow
it as part of living.  I also consciously or unconsciously tend to reduce
what I eat the day before or after if I know something like this is coming
up.  This has allowed me to take business trips, vacations and attend
parties, while still losing 45 pounds in the last 5 months.

I view this as practice for the rest of my life, since it's not going to
be any different once I get down to the weight I want.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: england@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (julie england)
Subject: Re: Amazed... 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:32:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.042559.23729@ddsw1.mcs.com> ospahic@ddsw1.mcs.com (Olga Spahic) writes:

...some text deleted...

>Does anyone have any suggestions on how to motivate oneself?
>Personal stories will do fine... I guess I need some sort
>of encouragement... or something to help me get going...
>
>Thanks for being such a wonderful group of people!  =)
>
>os

This is a good point, especially for me right now.  I need
motivation!  Ack!  I've been on a weight-loss program for
more than a year, except these last 4 months I haven't lost
anything and have started to slip (and regain).  I've also
slipped on my exercise program.  I can't seem to find a new
motivation.  Any one have any inspirational stories?

Julie


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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Maintaining (Why do I feel so fat?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:12:22 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

/ hpcc01:alt.support.diet / jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) /  6:46 am  Sep  9, 1992 /

>subscribe to this newsgroup) every time I lost weight:  I get down to my
>goal and am so happy, but one by one I start returning to my old habits -
>nothing really monumentally bad at first, just extras here and there.
>Meanwhile I'm stepping on the scale everyday and, guess what?  No weight
>gain.  Hey! I say.  My metabolism has changed.  It looks like I'm now
>going to be able to `get away' with more - eat more like thin people eat, 
>instead of paying in pounds for every no-no I put in my mouth.  My con-
>fidence builds (and my appetite and cravings increase) and boom!  my 

This phenomenon is one reason why I keep such detailed (hell, anal-retentive :-)
records.  I let the numbers be my guide as to when I can cut loose with a
treat, and when I should cut back.  I'll use weight-changes as a guide, but
within the (very) narrow range that I control, the numbers will tell me
to expect trouble long before I see anything on the scale.

It's working, so far.

Pete Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Hypnosis tape
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 20:43:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep8.161709.16909@spider.co.uk> alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
>In the report posted a few days ago about the hypnosis tape (sorry,
>its expired from my system, so I can't quote it) I got the impression
>that the user hadn't listened to it concious before using it
>overnight, and that it was only when they were woken up during the
>night when it was running that they actually listened to what it said.

Actually, Alison, I heard the first several minutes of the message the
first time around and I LIKED evrything it said. I had previous
experience with this type of tape (same brand) and had used it to quit
smoking (quite successfully,quit 4 years ago, no temptation to return)

I have confidence in this particular brand because it worked for me in
the past. 

If you aren't sure about a brand or specific tape it probably would be
a good idea to listen first.

rf
>
>This strikes me as rather dangerous.  Surely before you start feeding
>messages to your sub-concious you should know what they are.
>
>Alison
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Wow! I can't believe the inspiration here! :)
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:12:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <22214@galaxy.ucr.edu> samari@watserv.ucr.edu writes:
>The reason why swimming is not goo for losing fat, is that the body
>is constantly losing heat in the water, and it needs the added
>insulation to keep it warm.  

I have to wonder about this...it seems to me that if your body
is losing heat in the water that that heat must come from somewhere.
Also, swimming places little strain on the joints in contrast to
activities such as running which may be a plus for someone who is
carrying extra weight.  

I also wonder whether the actual calories burned in exercise is
really as important as breaking sedentary habits and establishing
new ones.  If one enjoys swimming then that's probably what one
should do.  The psychological benefits of exercise may be as
important as its physiological benefits for some people. This
seems to be true for me, anyway.  Even if walking doesn't burn
one extra calorie it makes me feel better and it certainly 
doesn't *add* calories. :-)
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Hypnosis tape
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 14:15:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

For all of you who asked:

The hypnosis tape that seems to be working for me is called "Weight
Loss Sleep Tape" by a company called "Master Your Mind" at 831
Hawthorne Drive, Walnut Creek California,94596.

Best wishes to all!

rf
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