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From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: TAB Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:59:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <9208101308.AA18071@bessel.umd.edu> glenn@bessel.umd.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:
>*** OPINION WARNING *** 
>This ain't meant as Gospel.  What follows is my personal, though fairly
>strong, opinion.  :-P  It's also stated less gently than is usual for
>me.  Skip to the end of the really soapboxy stuff.
>
>In article <1992Aug9.054408.10323@regina.cs.uregina.ca> brownw@hercules.uregina.ca writes:
>>In article <8118.25899@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> 
>>davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley) writes:
>>>
>>>Not to be an elitist, but I find it very irritating when I see
>>>tablature for classical pieces that are very easy to find as
>>>sheet music for guitar.  
>
>You're being elitist.  Sorry about that, but you are.

Who the hell are you? You don't know me.  Don't try to draw inferences
about a person from a post of a few lines. 

>
>>>If people are really interested in
>>>playing a classical piece, shouldn't they at least make an
>>>effort to learn to read music?  Especially if they are
>>>serious about playing an instrument?
>
>a)  Why should this apply any more to a classical piece than to 
>    other genres?
>
>b)  Tabulature _is_ music.

I never said tablature wasn't music.  But I do believe it's a shortcut
people use because they don't want to take the time to learn standard
notation.  But more to the point: since I never made statement b),
why do you bother rebutting a point that was never made?

My problem with the original post, was the fact that "Jesu, Joy
of Man's Desiring" is readily available to the guitarist in any music
store that carries classical music.  But it is in standard notation. If
the original poster was really interested in learning the piece, then
I would think it would not be that much trouble to learn standard
notation.  This would also give the person the opportunity to play
other music not readily available in tab. 


			David Deisley

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From: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.music.makers
Subject: Q:Bassman tube amp mods?
Keywords: bassman tubes amp mods
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd

I am modifying an old Bassman (Jan'63) for a guitarist friend of mine.
He wants an overdrive channel (like Boogie or Marshall), and a master
volume control.  I have a couple of ideas on how to do this (first go
to EL34s instead of 6L6s), but I'm sure someone has done this before
(like Randall Smith ;-).  Does anyone know of a good source of
information for hot-rodding old Bassmans?  I have Pittman's classic
Tube Amp Book, but it doesn't have any Boogie schematics.

Basically we want a nice tube distortion out of a cheap (money-wise
cheap, not quality-wise) tube Bassman.
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: terry@pride386.PP.COM (Terry Lyons)
Subject: Re: New Effect
Organization: Pride Plastics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:41:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.95844.16808@ms.uky.edu> aash@ms.uky.edu (aash) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.081625.14500@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK> css1rs@gondor.mcs.surrey.ac.uk (Russell Smithers) writes:
>>I expect you can allready do this but, what about an effect's
>>peddle that does the doppler (spelling?) effect? The change in pitch
>>you get when an abulance goes past.
>>
>>Opionions?

It's called a phase shifter and has been around for at least 15 
years ...
terry
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From: carmon@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com (Chris Carmon)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: IP address for  FTP-Ind.Art.ISU.EDU
Date: 12 Aug 1992 08:34:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Recently someone posted  FTP-Ind.Art.ISU.EDU as the
machine for anonymous ftp of cnc information used in 
a 3-D milling machine to mill Gibson and Fender guitar
parts. Is this a valid site. I've contacted Idaho State
University about this machine. They claim they do not
have an "Art" domain. Can anyone provide an IP address
for  FTP-Ind.Art.ISU.EDU.




     John Giraldi

Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7293 alt.guitar.tab:1757
From: phs404g@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Joe Satriani - Satch BoogieDIR
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:21:30 +1000
Organization: Monash_University,Melbourne,Victoria

In article <1992Aug18.004239.3550@odin.diku.dk>, shotokan@diku.dk (Kim H|glund) writes:
> theo@cs.vu.nl (Theo Vermeer) writes:
>>Is there anybody who has the tab's of:
>>Satch Boogie
>>Big Bad Moon
>>Ice Nine
>>The Forgotten, part 2
>>
>>of Joe Satriani.
> 
> I was disappointed not to see any replies on this one (maybe you all just
> mailed Theo instead? Nahh ;-) -- not even a single "Get back issue number N
> of magazine M" -- so I've decided to post what I have of Satch Boogie.
> 
> 
> Enjoy,
>   Kim

I actually have the whole "Surfing with the Alien" book as transcribed by
Wolf Marshall, and it seems pretty good. Unfortunately I barely have time
these days to read this group let alone post the tab! :(

Greg

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*** Greg Anders, Physics Department, Monash University - Australia.***
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Disclaimer: The thoughts expressed above do not represent the opinions
               of anyone, least of all me.
From: HCHA8904593X@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (PERRETT, ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: billy bragg - great leap foward chords
Date: 16 Aug 92 05:39:01 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

I posted this but it never seemed to make it to nevada...
 
Great Leap Foward - Billy Bragg
 
 Verse
 
 C              Cmaj9??      Am
 Mixing pop and politics they ask me what the use is
-----------------------------------------------------
-1--------------1------------1-----------------------
-----------------------------2-----------------------
-2---------------------------2-----------------------
-3--------------2------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
 
repeat for the rest of the verses the only other one I know is
"I offer them embarresment and my usual excuses"
 
Chorus
F            G            C    Cmaj9 Am
Meanwhile Dr Oppienhiemers optimizim fell
1------------3--------------------------------
1------------3------------1----1-----1--------
2------------4-----------------------2--------
3------------5------------2----------2--------
3------------5------------3----2--------------
1------------3--------------------------------
 
F              G            C    Cmaj9  Am
Waiting for the great leap foward
1--------------3--------------------------
1--------------3------------1-----1-----1-
2--------------4------------------------2-
3--------------5------------2-----------2-
3--------------5------------3-----2-------
1--------------3--------------------------
 
 
The words are definitly not right but i dont have a copy of the song handy
if anyone can tap out the words much appreciated it just repeats itself over
and over...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)
Subject: Re: 12 String Method//Theory Query
Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:33:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.210801.124@news.uwyo.edu>, hirschfb@news.uwyo.edu writes:
>I am also wondering if someone could post some info on how to change chords
>between two songs of differing keys. Anything that can be posted will be
>thanked appropriately.

Say song #1 is in the key of C and #2 is in D and you want to play both
songs in the key of #2.  Since D is one step (2 frets) above C, play all
chords in #1 two frets higher (barre form is easiest, or think about what
each chord is two frets higher).  The relationship between two keys is the
same as the relationship between the root notes.  Is this what you meant by
your question?

  -- Scott @Brandeis
From: ryanr@beethoven.CS.ColoState.EDU (richard ryan)
Subject: Re: TAB Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:23:24 GMT
	<9208101308.AA18071@bessel.umd.edu> <v_8mtnj.kent@netcom.com>
Organization: Computer Science Department, Colorado State University

>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:31:42 GMT, kent@netcom.com (Kent Crispin) said:

Kent> As I mentioned elsewhere, this is not true.  Tabulature is an
Kent> indication of how to place your fingers.  It is like MIDI -- it
Kent> notates *performance*.  While standard notation also tells you
Kent> (not as well as tab) where to put your fingers, its primary
Kent> purpose is to notate the *sound* of the music.  Actually,
Kent> neither tab nor standard music notation is really "music", but
Kent> standard notation is a *lot* closer.

In places where necessary, classical guitar notation actually tells
you precisely which finger to place on which string on what fret and,
of course, when to do it.  The parts that aren't notated this way are
often either obvious or impossible to play any other way.  (I said
"often," not always.)  Tab tells you the fret and the string, but not
the finger and the exact time.  (Watch this carefully: I contradict
the last statement pertaining to time in my next paragraph.)  

Kent> The tabulature of Bach's time was not very precise at all, just
Kent> like the tab of our time (which contains almost no information
Kent> about rhythm).

Tablature in Bach's time had rhythmic markings above the staff.  I believe
the markings generally pertained to the main melody while clues about
the rhythms for the other parts were taken with respect to placement of
the notes with respect to the melody.

I'm not trying to make a case for or against either tab or "standard"
musical notation (wha?) as y'all have been referring to it.  I'm just
adding a little to what I've seen here.  Although I can figure out the
music notation used for classical guitar, I think if someone wants
something as innocent as tablature for "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring,"
then not only should this person not be attacked, but if someone has
it, well, if it's not too much trouble, just go ahead and post it.  I
can only hope that the people who get excited about these things
wouldn't show up on your door step for not doing things their way.

No offense intended,
Richard.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: NEED Guitar Help : CHORD PLAYING !
Reply-To: whc2993@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:27:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.222508.17493@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mvats@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mudit P Vats) writes:
>So, how should I strum ??  Currently, I've been strumming to the lyrics, SO
>basically I would strum on each sylable <sp?>.  Is this correct ?  OR, should
>I just strum at a constant rate and just change chords when I need to ?
>
>This may be VERY trivial to some, BUT I really want to know the CORRECT way of
>playing......

	I won't tell you you can't strum on each syllable but I don't think
I've ever heard it done for a whole song.  Most often the guitar is strummed
in a certain rythym seperate from the singing.  Assuming you know a little
about musical terms try strumming eighth notes for the whole song changing
chords with your fretting hand at the right times without stopping the
strumming.  Try strumming sixteenth notes or triplets or combinations of them
like the Bo Diddley beat of Who Do You Love or U2's Desire.  Try listening to
songs with straight forward rythym guitar parts.  I can't think of a better
example then Creedence Clearwater Revival.  They had so many hit songs and they
were all really simple.
								B.C.


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fvr@broom.bae.bellcore.com (Frank Ricciardi)
Subject: Re: More theory questions (groan)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:44:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.152144.18685@wam.umd.edu>, peugh@wam.umd.edu (Arthur Dent) writes:
|> 
|>   Is it possibly to drop the root and substitute the eighth(since this is the
|> root one octive up)?  Is this just an inversion or a different voicing or 
|> something like that?
|>   thanks.
|> 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Moving the root an octave either way doesn't change the chord. It 
changes the phrasing, but not the chord.



-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
"If you got to it and didn't do it, may you never get to it, and do it again"


Frank V. Ricciardi

fvr@bae.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Prince?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:59:59 GMT


  You listen to early Genesis?  So do i.  I don't like their recent stuff as 
much, but i like Peter Gabreial and I really like Steve Hacket's Guitar Playing!
  Steve Hackett was probably the first guitarist to introudce two handed tapping
to Rock n' Roll.  I've been meaning to get one of his solo albums.
From: kent@netcom.com (Kent Crispin)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Why few people have Perfect Pitch
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:05:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


There was a very long thread about perfect pitch in comp.music or
rec.music.makers a while ago.  As I recall, the findings were that
yes, in theory people have the ability to learn perfect pitch, but
some people have more ability than others.  Unfortunately, this
variation is quite large -- some people learn it quickly at an early
age, and others can practice all their life.

There is fairly good evidence that there may be a critical age factor
as well.  That is, there is a time window in childhood development
where learning perfect pitch is easy, similar to the time window of
rapid language learning in infants.  Once you are past this time
learning perfect pitch becomes very much more difficult.

The bottom line is that in practice, some people seem to get perfect
pitch essentially for free, while others will have to work hard
all their lives, and will still only have it partially developed.

For some months I kept a pitch pipe in my car, and every morning and
every evening when I got into the car for my commute I whistled
what seemed to me to be an "A".  After a while I got to where I was
fairly close almost all the time, and frequently really dead on.
At least I thought I was -- it's always possible that what was really
happening was that on some days my ear was completely out to lunch
(nice mixed metaphors, eh :-), and I just thought I was dead on.
I stopped doing that, and I don't know if I could remember an A or
not, right now (I can imagine what I think is an A, but I don't know
whether I'm right or not.)

I contrast this experience with a friend of mine who demonstrably does
have perfect pitch -- he says things like "start again from the E", he
can name any pitch you play, almost instantly.  He says it's like
remembering colors -- he just knows its an E, in just the same way that
he knows something is blue.  He claims that he just discovered that 
he had perfect pitch, and didn't discover until high school band that
others didn't.  He also claims that he isn't aware that he ever
learned it -- it's just something he's always been able to do.

Now, it may very well be that it is quite possible to train people
to perfect pitch, except that we don't know how to do it.  I think
a little box that played random pitches, then displayed what the
pitch was, would be a great training device -- you press the button,
it plays a note, you make a guess, then check what the display says.
Should be about the size of a wrist watch, and fit in your pocket,
so you can test yourself frequently...




-- 
Kent Crispin			"No reason to get excited",
kent@netcom.netcom.com		the thief he kindly spoke...
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: robin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robin Amano)
Subject: drum machines
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:18:02 GMT


I know this isn't about guitars, but I figured a lot of guitar
players, like me, play around with drum machines.  Does anyone
have experience with the old Roland TR-707(I think) and the
Boss DR550?  I was wondering how they compare or if you have
just tried one, how was it?  Easy to use?  Sound real?
Thanks!!



--
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rob
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From: stevemcd@pain.la.ca.us (Steven McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Bill Nelson
Keywords: Guitarist-Composers
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 09:29:25 PDT
Organization: Public Access Info Network  (818/776-1447)

reh@wam.umd.edu (Huddleston) writes:

> 
> hi, folks --
> 
> I haven't heard anything from Bill Nelson since _Empire of the Senses_ and
> _Diary of a Thinking Heart_.  Anybody know about anything more recent than 
> that? 
> 
> 

Nelson has apparently returned to being a guitar god after years of synth 
noodling and doing unusual and interesting things.  His deal with 
Portrait in the UK (and Epic here) bought him a new studio with new toys, 
which then became of great use to him with the later Enigma deal.
 
The Enigma deal allowed him to take a lot of the older material, 
including the Mercury releases (THE LOVE THAT WHIRLS (DIARY OF A THINKING 
HEART) and QUIT DREAMING AND GET ON THE BEAM and their associated stage 
soundtrack albums [LA BELLE ET LA BETE and DAS KABINET, issued on a 
single CD]) and the albums released originally on Cocteau (his own label) 
and reissue them all as CDs, though with some variations here and there 
-- THE TWO-FOLD ASPECT OF EVERYTHING, for example, had some track 
changes.
 
There was a major double album during that period, too -- CHANCE 
ENCOUNTERS IN THE GARDEN OF LIGHTS -- as well as another Orchestra Arcana 
album.  An album was held back by Nelson towards the end of Enigma's 
existence (SIMPLEX; one track was included on a compilation, THE 
STRANGEST THINGS) and has yet to be released; Nelson apparently suspended 
it due to a combination of marital problems (chronicled with another box 
set of woebegone material), a desire to work on ther guitar god stuff 
(LUMINOUS  was one result) and other things.
 
Enigma's dissolution leaves both Nelson and Peter Hammill lacking US 
deals, and with a range of albums hard to find outside of direct contact 
with Nelson's Cocteau operation in the UK.
 
On another front, British EMI has done a wonderful job of reissuing all 
of the Be Bop Deluxe albums with additional tracks.  There was also a 
compilation here called RAIDING THE DIVINE ARCHIVE, a decent compilation 
that didn't do taht well and thus encouraged Capitol to abandon any idea 
of releasing the rest of the BBD catalog domestically.
 
>>>>>>Steven McDonald
      Online Digital Music Review

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean)
Subject: Buckethead
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:24:22 GMT


  I just checked out a few issues of Guitar Player out of the library and saw a
collum(?) by this guy refered to as "Buckethead".  Who the hell is this guy?
It's a REALLY cool collum(again sp?).  And this guy is pretty wierd(at least it
appears that way from his writing style and his music that's in there).
  Is he in a band or does he have any albums out?  I wann hear what this guy 
sounds like!

  Also, i was in the car listening to a local jazz station.  I heard a jazz 
version of Reval's Bolero.  It was sooooo cool!  Anyone know who did it, and
what disc/record it's on?
  Thanks.

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: mvats@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mudit P Vats)
Subject: NEED Guitar Help : CHORD PLAYING !
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:25:08 GMT

Ok, this is the situation : I've pretty much got the tablature scene down, and
now I would really like broaden my horizons and learn playing chords.
Basically I know how to play chords <there is nothing to it!>, it is the 
strumming I am having problems with.

For example, the REM song 'The One I Love' goes like this :

		Em		  D            Em7
		This one goes out to the one I love,

		Em                D                 Em7
		This one goes out to the one I left behind.

So, how should I strum ??  Currently, I've been strumming to the lyrics, SO
basically I would strum on each sylable <sp?>.  Is this correct ?  OR, should
I just strum at a constant rate and just change chords when I need to ?

This may be VERY trivial to some, BUT I really want to know the CORRECT way of
playing......

thanks!


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rosalia@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Mark Galassi)
Subject: advice on classical guitar purchase
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:23:12 GMT


A friend of mine is trying to buy a classical guitar for under $300.
We tried a few out, and in this price range, the three she preferred
were by Epiphone (C-40; made in Korea), Artesano (model 20 or
something); Samick (don't remember the model; made in Korea).

The Artesano seems to be quite nice, but it had a ridiculously high
action, so they are having it lowered before my friend makes a
decision.  What I wanted to know is if these companies have a good
track record on their semi-cheap classical guitars.

I would recommend responding by mail, and if I feel that the results
of this query are interesting, I will post them.

Thank you very much...

--
    {These opinions are mine, and should be everybody else's :-)}
	Mark Galassi		rosalia@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu
				rosalia@sunysbnp.BITNET
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	Mark Galassi		rosalia@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu
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Subject: **New at ftp.nevada.edu(131.216.1.11) for 8/13 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:05:05 GMT

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