From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:18:21 GMT

In article <BsxwvB.5w2@rice.edu> frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.160545.20055@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>  Well I think it's about time we AAFs did a little whining of our own.
>>  I mean that some of us have been asked out by guys of every race
>>  except for AsAm men.  Through recent e-mail correspondence and
>>  memories of my friends growing up, I've come to the conclusion that some
>>  AsAm men don't really want to go out with AsAm women.  
>
>It's true.  Some of my AAM friends are like that.  When one of my
>friends first started going out with a Vietnamese girl, he was
>embarassed to admit it to me.  I found that a bit surprising.
>
>>  I've known of several AsAm females who tried to ask out AsAm men
>>  and scared them away.  And they were not ugly or doggy or fat.
>>  In fact they all have white men running after them.  I know of
>>  a zero success rate for AsAm women asking out AsAm men.
>
>Ok, I admit it.  I'm guilty - it's happened to me once.  I wasn't
>interested in going out with her, so I declined.  If she was 
>someone I wanted to go out with -  no matter what cultural
>background - I undoubtedly would have said yes.  I admit, some
>AAMs have some bias, but I'm surprised that you've seen such
>a low success rate.

  The low success rate is for AsAm men (2nd generation +), meaning
  those that were born in U.S.A.  I have been asked out by Asian
  men born overseas.  What I'm trying to say is that I've seen
  a decided bias of AsAm (2nd generation + ) men to favor white
  women asking them out.

>
>>  I know of 100% success rate for White women who asked out AsAm
>>  men.  One of my best friends (blonde-blue-eyed) said she saw
>>  an interesting prospect in the med library, and walked up and
>>  asked him out.  He was completely cowed and the rest is history.
>
>Add me to your statistics and make it 99%.  I find it hard
>to believe that every AAM would accept a date from every
>AF.  I dunno, maybe all your friends happen to be Godesses. :-)
 ^^ You mean CF here?

  Nope, just average white girls.  Although the data sample is
  very small (2) that liked Asian men, so not statistically significant.
>
>>  worked for her.  So face it, you guys are easy pickings for
>>  White women.  Now all we need is for them to write it up in
>>  Cosmopolitan, Mademoiselle, and Glamour to let in the rest of
>>  the white women in on this secret that a few of my friends have
>>  already discovered and you'll hear no more whining about AF/CM dating.
>
>Whatever you do DON'T tell anyone about our secret.  I wouldn't
>want the word to get out and be besieged by a horde of women -
>that would be awful! :-)

  Sure would.  Did you read that excerpt posted by Mike about the
  exotic Chinese man who spent thousands of years perfecting Ancient
  Chinese sex secrets?  Oh boy, the next thing you guys will be
  complaining about white females who are only after you for your exotic
  stereotypes!  What a role reversal.  AFs will be whining about all
  the white women taken away "their men"!  Hee he he.  :-)
>
>Clare, although I agree with you, I don't think the bias is as
>pronounced as your experiences may suggest.
>
  If we narrow it to (2nd generation +) AsAm men, then I think so.
  And also to the specific action:  of the men  being asked out
  by the women.  I don't disagree that many AsAm men do date
  AsAm women, but I'll bet close to 100% happened with the
  men asking out the women.  I'm just saying that there is
  a pronounced bias against AsAm women asking out AsAm men.
  But that this bias is not against the fact of being asked
  out, since the experiences of my white female friends shows
  that it works for them, but that of specifically being asked
  out by an AsAm woman.  None of my AsAm female friends have
  reported positive results from this approach.  In fact the
  only approach that worked was to be "set-up" by mutual friends.
  However most of my AsAm friends have good success asking out
  white men, or dropping hints and getting dates (which is almost
  asking out).
>Frank
>