From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who cares
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:35:32 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1992Jul21.100930.41773@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:

>But do you in any way support those who do these things?  What is
>Sun's policy on hiring?  Are there many women in positions other than
>service there?  Do they use a CFC cleaning agent in manufacturing
>computers?  Are they open and tolerant of paganism?  Could I work
>there and wear my pentacle?  How about being openly gay or lesbian?
>Do they offer spousal benefits to those in same sex marriages?  How
>are they on maternity leave?  Or do women get stuck in the
>Mommy-track?  Did they make any campaign contributions to the Bush
>campaign?  Do they have a day-care program?  

I've said this before...  Get a grip on reality pal!  "You can't change the world in a day.  You got to start with yourself and work from the inside out."

(Yeesh, I'm quoting Jello Biafra HERE, but he does make a LOT of good points in the song "The Stars and Stripes of Corruption")  In short, you have to take things one step at a time.  By simply refusing to have anything to do with people / companies who aren't "Politically Correct" (or whatever word you might use) doesn't help the problem.  You gotta WORK AT IT FROM THE INSIDE!

>Andrea dworkin had a wonderful challenge to a Men's group she
>addressed, in Idaho I believe.  She said basically she thought it was
>wonderful that men were learning to be open about there emotions, and
>finding out it was okay to touch each other.  But she followed this by
>saying it really didn't mean shit to the women in the world.  If they
>really wanted to be such great and changing men, she said the should
>do something about rape.  She said all she wanted, to restore her
>faith in men, all she wanted to know that men were worth anything at
>all, was a 24 hour period in which there was no rape.  Just 24 hours
>without a rape. 

A nice thought.  But it would also be nice if there was a 24 hour period without war, famine, desiese, etc...  I can't be held responsibly for every other male entity on this planet.  Nor can anyone else.  Just as any one female can't answer for every other female on this planet when one of those females breaks a law, or...  You get the picture.

>Instead of complaining about getting this rap.  Why don't you do
>something about the problems that are presented.  Or is that not your
>problem either? 

Many people DO do something about the problems.  By working one step at a time.  (At least most people I know...)  By simply deciding not to deal with people who cause these problems, or getting yourself arrested in a demonstration (which the media will ignore, and has been...  One again I could quote examples, but won't unless requested to - to save bandwidth) DOESN'T HELP THE PROBLEM!  If anything it HINDERS the problem!

>There are many problems that men (not you and I) started, many
>injustices that men (not you and I) did.  There are many cruelties
>being inflicted by men (not you and I) while we speak.  Because a
>system exists that protects them, hides them, encourages them they do
>those things.  Men (not me, and maybe not you) do not feel they should
>do anything to change this, are happy to keep things this way, and
>don't care that others are doing this, because it is not their
>problem.  

See the above paragraphs that I have written...  This is getting redundant.

>For ourselves, for our friends, lovers, families, and children, we
>need to find ways to break out of this oppression, not just say "Hey,
>it wasn't me."  Our silence is assent.  Our silence is complicity.

Then don't be silent.  Work at it one step at a time.  Rome wasn't built (or destroyed) in a day...

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