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From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:39:37 GMT

In article (richard welty) writes:
|> In article (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|> >In article <Bvnsow.1q1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
|> >|> Why do you think there aren't any FWD Indy cars or NASCAR racers?

|> i'm kind of astonished at the historical ignorance floating by
|> in this discussion.
|> 
|> the legendary Miller FWD indy cars of the 30s are being entirely
|> ignored, as are Andy Granatelli's AWD STP turbine indy cars.
|> 
|> not to mention the just as legendary FWD Auto Union Grand Prix
|> car of the 30s (designed by the elder Dr. Porsche.)
|> 
|> many of the classes out there today are intentionally restricted
|> to RWD; you don't see FWD or AWD technology because it is prohibited
|> by the rules.
|> 
|> geez,
|>   richard

Amen!
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Petro Jelly on terminals
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:04:11 GMT
	<41752@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com>
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division

On 12 Oct 92 23:39:38 GMT, jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>) wrote:

>>  This is a good way to make SURE your car won't start.  The
>>  petroleum jelly (or Vaseline) is an excellent insulator.  Even if
>>  you just smear it over the connections, the heat will melt it and
>>  it will penetrate between the post and the cabling.  A very thin
>>  coating is enough to totally interrupt current flow.

>	I used to use wheel bearing grease until my vehicles (GM)
>went to side-terminal arrangments, which do not corrode.

Don't believe that for a moment!  I've cleaned up the terminals on too
many cars/trucks with side-terminal batteries.  They may not corrode
as much, but they will certainly corrode sufficiently to keep you from
being able to start them.  And those GM factory side-terminal cables are
designed so you can't disassemble them to clean them up effectively.

--
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
From: dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:55:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct15.003548.19423@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>In article <39480@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou) writes:
>|> Lambo Diablo.  I've seen Countachs (judging by the valve clatter, it was
>|> probably the 48 valve), Testarossas, Daytonas, tons of 308/328/348, etc.  Heck, I 
>
>I see a Countach almost every day when my neighbour pulls out of his
>driveway. I swear that car is so low to the ground, he just slides
>it under the garage doors.

Does he use some weird way of backing it up?  The guy I saw backing up
his Countach had some weird position that he was sitting on the door
sill or something (that rear window is just about useless).

I also forgot to  mention the plethora of NSX's you see here in
La Jolla.

I guess I am kind of weird.  Whenever I see an exotic, I say "ho hum"
but I tend to go gaga over Alfas (which are not very common here in
SD).

-- 
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: RX7 Mailing list is AFU.
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <BvrGs7.40v@waterloo.hp.com> enns@waterloo.hp.com (Roger Enns) writes:
>Lon Stowell (lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com) wrote:
>: 
>:    HEY, JEFF NAPPI!
>: 
>:    Your !@#$!@$!@#$ RX-7 mailing list is generating hundreds of 
>:    phony error messages to several members.  It keeps sending error
>:    messages from somebody's postings to every on on the list.
>: 
>:    Please !@#$!@#$!@#$ knock it off, OK?
>: 
>:    And you may want to ask your sysadmins why they don't respond to
>:    the postmaster@att.com email address as well.
>: 
>: 
>
>Do you also pass praise onto Jeff every time a sucessful mailing
>occurs?  Let's be gentle while he works out the problem, unless
>you are volunteering to take over the list?
>
   
   It's been broken for a few weeks.  E-mails were getting bounced.

   You got a better way to let him know there's a problem?

   If not, "have a nice day" or suck my shorts.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: madd@world.std.com (jim frost)
Subject: Re: Two articles on seat belts
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:15:10 GMT

walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) writes:
>In article <26355@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>>Then again, this is infringing on their right to drive, 

>There is no "right" to drive,  driving is a privledge.  Or so i was told
>in driving school and since there is nothing in the bill of rights that
>says that one has the "right to drive".

In our social structure driving is, for all practical purposes, a
right.  Worse, having a driver's license is a requirement for many
transactions that require identification, including but not limited
to:

- openning a bank account
- getting a passport (unless you get an affadavit signed by someone
  who identifies themself with either a US passport or a driver's
  license).
- writing checks
- renting nearly anything
- obtaining alcohol

I waited many years before I got my license and lemme tell ya if you
don't have one you are STRONGLY discriminated against -- even if you
have a state-issued non-driver's identification.

Another way to look at it is that if driving were not a right but
rather a privilege that required proof of skill, most everyone on the
road today would not have a license.

Informationally yours,

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: yuechu@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Yuechu Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: need advice about odometer of car
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:51:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


  I just find a Honda Civic (88)
 with a good price. 

I dicided to buy it when ower said
odometer has been broken, and 
there is letter N before the numbers
of miles in title, since odometer
has been replaced.  Is this legal?
what is going to happen if I buy
this car?
 I need your advice?
thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: huesmann@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Edward Huesmann)
Subject: Auto Loan Rates?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:56:43 GMT

Hello everyone,

I'm just trying to get an idea of auto loan rates around the country,
from banks and other financial institutions (not dealers). If you
wouldn't mind sharing with me such info, please e-mail me. If you could
provide details (length, $-value, etc), I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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From: acw@tradewind.Corp.Sun.COM (A C Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Engine oil drain tap
Keywords: tap, engine oil, drain
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:29:16 GMT
Reply-To: acw@tradewind.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Micro
NNTP-Posting-Host: tradewind.corp.sun.com

I have used engine oil drain tap on my car for four years and over 
60,000 miles without any problem.  It is very convenient if you 
do the oil changes yourself.  I went to Kragen Auto Parts they 
told me they no longer carry this item.

Does anyone know where I can find it?

regards,
alex
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jaslow@bissun.kodak.com (Russell Jaslow)
Subject: Re: Japanese Names  Was Re: Canadian names for U.S. Cars
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.165102@usho21.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> 
>  When I was stationed in Japan in 1977, I found that:
> 
>     Datsun 240,260,280 z's were called "Fairlady".

The Mazda RX-7 is called the "Savannah".

-- 
Russell Jaslow         |Spec Racer #33 Finger Lakes Reg|NY RANGERS|My employer
Eastman Kodak Company  |In memorium: Andrew Spiller,   |and the   |has nothing
Rochester, New York    |Cynthia Bishop Halstead.  Keep |Cup!  Why |to do with
jaslow@bissun.kodak.com|the damn drunks off our roads! |not dream?|my drivel.
From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Exotic Cars
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:29:52 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <12509.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)  writes:
>   >
>   >    Once saw an F40 while driving in Houston--no joke--it was real.
>   >
> 
> I've seen a few NSXs, a Testarossa, and assorted "lesser" exotics, but
> an F40?  Are those things even street legal?!?
> 
> 
> - Dave Bonds 

I saw an F40 in the parking lot (a field) at Mid-Ohio.  I forget the race but
I even got to touch it (OOOOHHH!) and have a fancy photograph to prove it.  
The car was parked in the field right next to a big camper.  Those are some
mean machines.  Personally I don't see how the guy (It was a man driving it) 
got it around in the grass as it was very close to the ground.  It looked 
like he plowed the grass with his front spoiler.  The only uncool thing was
that there was a cover on the car so we did not get to see into the inside.
 
Maybe I will make a gif of the picture and post it sometime.
 
Kevin 
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Computing and Telecommunications              PHONE:  502-588-6303
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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Japanese Names  Was Re: Canadian names for U.S. Cars
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:51:02 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 When I was stationed in Japan in 1977, I found that:

    Datsun 240,260,280 z's were called "Fairlady".

    Datsun wasn't "Datsun" they were "Nissan".

    BTW  Nissan means - masculine, brother, boy
         Nassan means - feminine, sister, girl
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Im going to be sick...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:32:42 GMT

In article <DP00RB4w164w@cellar.org>, blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
|>In (todays) USA today (Oct, 7th) on page 3A, there is a small article, "No 
|>Foreign Cars".
|> 
|>Drivers of foreign-made cars in the Flint. Mich., beware.  Begeining Monday 
|>only US made cars will be allowed in the City Hall Basement garage.  Flint 
|>Mayor Woodrow Stanley said he issued the order to send a message to buy 
|>American. And he says he might designate other city lots for US only cars.  
|>General Motors is the city's largest employer with 50,000 local workers, 
|>whose taxes, Satnley says, help pay city workers' salaries.

So, if I lived in Flint and needed to go to City Hall, I could not park my
non-US car there.  I guess the city would be telling me that they don't
want the city taxes I pay or for me to do business with local firms.

On film, in "Roger&Me", the GM spokesman said that GM didn't owe Flint
anything.  It seems that the folks at City Hall are pretty dumb if they
haven't caught on yet.

-- 
-----------------------------------+----------------------------------------
Alan F. Perry                      | "e-mail is wrecking my life"
esprit@netcom.com                  |              - someone standing in SF
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Re: JEEPS- Want to buy used. Many reliability questions.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:34:10 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I own and drive a 1991 Jeep Wrangler with a 4.0 liter 180hp engine. The
vehicle is very strong and durable. I have had not one problem with the
car since day one. I just put new tires on the car. Just change oil and
go. Of course, if you go offroad a lot you need to check for loose bolts
and nuts.

My wife has a 1990 Jeep Cherokee Laredo with ALL the electronic doodads.
Fine car. No problems except one minor weld on the skid plate over the
muffler coming loose on one corner.  Instead of welding it again I
drilled a hole and pop riveted it!  Works great.

These two cars are from the same company and have the same engine.
Besides that they are totally different in ride, feel, and use.

For around $3000 you can get an old CJ-5 or CJ-7. Beware. These cars are
not fuel injected as the > 87's are.  They can have a wide variety of
engines, carbs, front and rear ends. Be careful.  Don't worry about the
body too much - you can purchase entire fiberglass bodies for ANY kind
of jeep.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: sho limits
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:42:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3963
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct12.210616.6687@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>the engineers of the SHO must have been more radical than i thought,
>if they actually designed this into the car.  i can understand
>wharfie's suprise; i'm somewhat used to it from my alfa sedan.

	Yup.  I like it jes' fine now, but the first time I went too fast
and figured "I'll just lift so that the nose tucks back in" was a bit
of a heart-stopper...  They shoulda _documented_ this in the owner's 
manual...

	In fact, I can make 90 degree corners at ~30 this way:

	Approach corner, step on brake, turn wheel.  The car will
continue more or less straight ahead.  When I'm lined up with the lane
I want to be in I get off the brakes and hit the gas.  The rear swings
right around to line up with the front tires and away I go...


	The SHO's a great car.  Not like that fucking Saab I used to have :-)

								W.rat
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shantanu@poseidon.oakhill.uucp (Shantanu Ganguly)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: SPS CAD, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas.
	<1992Oct7.202551.1531@newsgate.sps.mot.com>
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:58:39

In article <1992Oct7.202551.1531@newsgate.sps.mot.com> mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw) writes:
   Being a believer in raw data, I took a look at the results of the Solo II
   autocross last month and found:

		      Total     RWD Stock   FWD Stock   All RWD    All FWD
   Entries:           96        47          13          81         15
   Best laptime:      43.413    46.897      48.565      43.413     48.565
   Worst laptime:     58.258    57.923      56.972      58.258     56.972
   Average laptime:   51.216    51.965      52.337      51.001     52.379

   Gee! I guess RWD does handle better.  The best stock RWD car (a Corvette)
   was a whole 1.67 seconds faster than the fastest stock FWD (a Chevy Beretta
   with Quad-4 engine).  On average the stock RWD's were a whopping 0.37
   seconds (0.7%) faster than the average stock FWD!  Obviously everyone
   should roar out and spend 3X as much money to get this performance
   advantage ;-)

Very interesting set of data! However, there are some biases present
in your data that affect the validity of your conclusion that rwd
handles better.

For example, lap speed is dependent on :
a) Handling & available traction
b) Available HP & Torque.
c) Driver ability
d) Other factors

Suppose that driver ability and `other factors' average out over each
group and does not count. Then the two main factors are power and handling.
Typically, high performance cars are rwd. If you had two additional
columns in your table listing the average hp and torque for rwd cars
and for fwd cars, hp and torque figures would probably be biased in
favor of rwd cars and explain some of the difference in lap times.

I'm not saying that your conclusion is wrong, just that the data has
some hidden biases. The conclusion is probably right regardless.
--

Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola) - Power PC Project

phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513
fax   : (512) 795-7511                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.
                                        Austin TX 78735-8598
email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com 


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: calibrating speedometer
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:12:50 GMT

 In article 16730@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu, boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:

Hi. This is regarding a speeding ticket that I'm planning to fight (check
out the posting in nj.misc for details). I figured it might be a good idea
to certify that my speedometer is properly calibrated, so that I won't get
hit with the "our-speedometers-are-accurate-can-you-be-sure-of-yours"
routine. Has anyone attempted to do that? How and where do I get it done?
Thanks.

toufic

            R 2 4      Toufic Boubez
            |_|_|      boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu
            | | |      Computational Engineering Systems Lab
            1 3 5      CAIP Center, Rutgers University, NJ


            1 3 5       (Rlo,Rhi)   (2,7,12)   (4,9,14)   
            |_|_|_             |_______|________|
            | | | |            |       |        |           
            2 4 6 R     (1,6,11)    (3,8,13)   (5,10,15) 


                   (R1,R2) (1,5lo,5hi) (3,7lo,7hi)
                        |_______|_______|
                        |       |       |
                    (lolo) (2,6l0,6hi) (4,8lo,8hi)

Andy.
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Thunderbird Owners Here!
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:54:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Oct14.222341.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.194205.4127@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ClarkKent) writes:
>> This is a reposting of a recent call-to-owners of
>> Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupes.  A few of us are
>> interested in starting an association, for
>> information, helpful hints, experiences,
>> exchange, promoting the enjoyment of this
>> vehicle.  If anyone is interested, email
>> at awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Adam Edwards
>                Well Im interested, but I have a Super Coupe
>        not a Turbo, gonna discrimate against me :)


Nope, come on down!

Adam Edwards
From: quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason G Velasco)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:30:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Oct15.063031.1387
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <84265@bcsaic.boeing.com> rhorwell@crab.etwork-a writes:
>
>Actually, the FWD 8-series will replace the 7-series not the 2-series.  Also,
>Volvo has offered FWD for a number of years now in the 3 and 4 series (not 
>avialable in N. America).  Slowly, but surely, Volvo is recognizing the
>error in their ways and mimicking SAAB!   :^)
>
>Roland


Hahahahaha!!  Anyone figure out why the 850GLT has a "T" in the name if
there's no turbo in it?

Hmmm.  Maybe the turbo's coming later?  Maybe Volvo can better the 200bhp
and 244 ft-lbs of torque offered by Saab's 2.0l turbo four?

Yeah!
Jason
-- 
Jason Velasco                                      quadrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman)
Subject: simple starting problem
Summary: vaseline
Keywords: greasing terminals
Organization: Computer Power Software
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:40:42 GMT

Re the comment on vaseline stopping current flow - I have done this for more
years than i care to remember - it just stops/reduces the growth of corrosion
products from the terminal - it has NEVER stopped current flow - you DO clamp
the cable to the terminal post dont you??? . I have seen various colours of
grease used also without ill effect.
jp
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bay@unislc.uucp (Bethanne Yukman)
Subject: Re: Scratched off paint: How to prevent rusting?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:08:01 GMT


Sorry to hear about your Camry....I don't know any alternatives to
a new paint job for a scrape that size.  But I do know that if the
metal is exposed, it will oxidize and rust.  I can't remember if you
gave the color of your car, but you might get by using a spray paint
on the area if it's a color that will blend easily.

Before you paint it (and I would only get the paint from the dealer to
match your car exactly), you want to sand it down a little with fine
sand paper, to feather the edges of the scrape.  Then you should use
a de-greaser (you wipe it on) to make sure the area is clean of oily
and greasy residue that would interfere with the paint adhesion.  Then
use primer over the area (make sure it dries completely).  Then you
spray the paint, using a gentle circular motion to make sure it coats
thinly but evenly.  The dealer could tell you if the original paint
on the car had a clear coat of acrylic as a sealer.

I have a white '91 Camry and so far I have avoided any nicks and scrapes
by parking far away from the madding crowds.  I hope my luck continues.
I wasn't so lucky with my '85 Subaru wagon, and I learned what I know
from fixing scrapes and dents on the wagon.   My best to you, good luck!

Bethann Yukman
From: 00vmszopa@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: SAAB 9000 MODEL DESIGNATION ??
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:23:28 GMT


Can anyone clarify this? --

In _Automobile_ and _C&D_ there are ads for the new Saab 9000CSE,
							     ^^^
while in press reports (and in fact the _C&D_ New Cars section)
the car is referred to as the Saab 9000CSD.
				       ^^^
Different model? 

-- 

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From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 87 Supra CD Player Recommendations
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:58:19 GMT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <1bk4l1INNauv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce398@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Richmeyer) writes:
>
>My 87 supra cassette player is a piece of junk!  The lights on
>some of the buttons don't work, it randomly decides when it
>wants to take a tape and many other problems.  Thus, I'm
>going to replace it with a CD player.  Any recommendations
>or warnings are appreciated!
>
>Rumor has it the 87 supra radio is a major pain to replace. Other
>than the radi and incompatible lugs, the car has been great.
>Thanks in advance!
>
>    Joe
>

Well I've owned an 87 Supra and found the stereo was o.k. though some of the 
lights had burned out. At the time (about 1.5 years ago) I was giving serious 
consideration to upgrading to one of the new Supra stereos with the CD. They 
take up the same space but I never found out if the new one is plug compatible 
with the old. I've had a good part of the Supra dash apart when I installed my 
Radar Detector and I don't think it would be that difficult to remove the Supra 
stereo.

Bob