HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: Re: parsing the To: field
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:03:32 GMT
	<9212152335.AA11013@crystal.wonderworks.com>
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
Cc: mellan@acri.fr (Alain Mellan)

>>>>> "kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle@crystal.wonderworks.com> writes:

kyle> Alain Mellan writes:
 > This is probably an FAQ, but I can have VM 5.32 send a mail
 > when the To: field reads like:
 > 	   Alain Mellan <mellan@acri.fr> 
 > instead of:
 > 	   mellan@acri.fr (Alain Mellan)

kyle> I am still unsure as to what you're asking.

I think he may have a (broken) mailer such as mine which sends addresses
of the form:

  Firstname Lastname <username@domain.com>

into a giant bit bucket somewhere, whereas mail addressed as:

  username@domain.com (Firstname Lastname)

gets sent OK.  (I don't know if this is some kind of System V thing or
not.)  Now I know the broken mailer should be fixed, but I have no
control over that, so what I did was incorporate a package called
'feedmail' into my VM environment.  feedmail strips off the fancy name
stuff and now everyone is happy:  I get to see the fancy name in my VM
buffers, but the actual mailer never sees it.

	   GNU Emacs Lisp Code Directory Apropos -- "feedmail"
"~/" refers to archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/

feedmail	      91-04-05
     Bill Carpenter, <William_J_Carpenter@ATT.COM>
     ~/misc/feedmail.el.Z
     Outbound mail handling
--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from info-vm to gnu.emacs.vm.info; Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:01:43 EST
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:56:45 -0500
From: kyle@crystal.wonderworks.com (Kyle Jones)
Subject: vm-version function
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Mike Northam writes:
 > I like to insert the emacs-version, etc. in buffers occasionally, typing
 > (emacs-version)C-u C-x C-e 
 > which invokes eval-last-sexp.
 > 
 > This doesn't work for vm-version, however, since vm-version isn't defined
 > as a function, but only a variable.

Ummm, variables eval, too.

vm-versionC-uC-xC-e
"5.32 (beta)"
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: vm-version function
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:46:52 GMT

I like to insert the emacs-version, etc. in buffers occasionally, typing
(emacs-version)C-u C-x C-e 
which invokes eval-last-sexp.

This doesn't work for vm-version, however, since vm-version isn't defined
as a function, but only a variable.  I hacked the following from the
emacs-version defun in $EMACS/lisp/version.el and stuck it in my ~/.vm
file.  Testing has been minimal, but what could go wrong? :-)

; make a function as well as a variable so that C-x C-e will work
(defun vm-version () "\
Return string describing the version of VM that is running."
  (interactive)
  (if (interactive-p)
      (message "%s" (vm-version))
    (format "View Mail (VM) %s"
	    vm-version)))
--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Subject: Re: Replying to the To: field
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:43:41 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway

>>>>> In article <KPC.92Dec16180518@zog.arc.nasa.gov>, kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c) writes:

> i think what he's getting at goes half of the way toward my partially
> composed message suggestion.  all you'd need to do is have a vm mail
> mode command to change to to x-to, bcc to x-bcc, and cc to x-cc, set a
> flag like x-vm-5-partially-composed: t, and mail it to oneself.

> then when you get the message a command will put you back in vm mail
> mode, change x-to etc. back to to, etc., and give you the opportunity
> to finish composing the message and send it with c-c c-c.

> he might have had something different in mind, of course.

Umm,... I'll try to state what I meant a little clearer.

What I meant was that I wanted replies to messages sent from myself to
somebody else to set the address in the To:-field of the message I am
replying to as the address the reply is to be sent to.

If I take reply to a message I have sent to somebody else (and BCC:'d
to give myself a copy), the address in the To:-field of the reply is
my own. This means that currently I have to edit this address away and
insert a new address (most often the address the original message was
sent to). I would like to avoid this chore if I could.

Did this make sense?

BTW! Is there a way to make the "f" command insert only the addresses
of the message I'm replying to that makes sense? It seems to insert
everything that looks remotely like an address and even seems to make
up some addresses of its own...

- Steinar
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
From: mellan@syst06.acri.fr (Alain Mellan)
Subject: parsing the To: field
Organization: A.C.R.I., Lyon, France
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:51:22 GMT

This is probably an FAQ, but I can have VM 5.32 send a mail when the To: field
reads like:
	   Alain Mellan <mellan@acri.fr> 
instead of:
	   mellan@acri.fr (Alain Mellan)

Can someone help me?
--
Alain Mellan                          
Advanced Computer Research Institute 
1 Bvd Marius Vivier Merle             voice:  (+33) 72 35 84 92         
69443 LYON CEDEX 03 - FRANCE          email:    amellan@acri.fr

x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from info-vm to gnu.emacs.vm.info; Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:52:52 EST
From: Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM (Neal McBurnett)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:49:11 MDT
Subject: compilation, paging problems with vm 5.32 beta
X-Mailer: VM 5.32 (beta) for GNU Emacs 18.57.1
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
I use vm-5.32 beta.  For a while I have seen the following symptoms:

	"space" command from summary buffer pages too far down - about
	1.5 screenfuls.  Works fine in msg buffer.  Bound to
	vm-scroll-forward in both buffers.

	I also (setq vm-follow-summary-cursor t), but see
	strange behavior of "space" in summary buffer after I move to
	some new message: shows right message in main buffer, but
	changes "->" pointer to some other message in summary
	buffer.

This happens even without a .vm file or any other customizations.

When I first compiled it, I had a problem with the Makefile:

$ make  EMACS=gnuemacs  
gnuemacs -batch -q -l ./vm-message.el -l ./vm-misc.el -f batch-byte-compile .
Done
cat vm-*.elc > vm.elc
cat: cannot open vm-*.elc: No such file or directory
*** Error code 2
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `VM'

Evidently it had not created any .elc's.
To get around this, I made this change:

4c4
<       $(EMACS) -batch -q -l ./vm-message.el -l ./vm-misc.el -f batch-byte-compile .
---
>       $(EMACS) -batch -q -l ./vm-message.el -l ./vm-misc.el -f batch-byte-compile *.el

Are these problems related?  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM (Neal McBurnett)	303-538-4852	AT&T Bell Labs, Denver
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from info-vm to gnu.emacs.vm.info; Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:20:27 EST
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:20:30 -0500
From: kyle@crystal.wonderworks.com (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: vm-version function
	<MBN.92Dec11114652@greyskul.hf.intel.com>
	<MBN.92Dec14103420@greyskul.hf.intel.com>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Mike Northam writes:
 > OK, I don't pretend to have much of a clue when it comes to elisp, but
 > vm-versionC-uC-xC-e
 > "5.32 (beta)"
 > is OK, as you mention (which, frankly, I didn't realize before)
 > 
 > but,
 > (vm-version)C-uC-xC-e
 > gets
 > Symbol's function definition is void: vm-version
 > 
 > in the status line without my little defun.  I don't want to have to
 > remember whether something is a symbol or a function (I'm making the rash
 > assumption here that that's the difference between enclosing something in
 > parens or not).
 > 
 > Now that I know you can eval a variable, I'm a lot happier and more
 > well-adjusted person, though.

AH, OK.  It never occurred to me that someone who would use C-x
C-e would not be a heavy Lisper.  I thought you were just
experiencing a brain fart.  It would be simple enough to make
vm-version into a function, so I'll go ahead and do it.
x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from info-vm to gnu.emacs.vm.info; Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:34:52 EST
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:35:09 -0500
From: kyle@crystal.wonderworks.com (Kyle Jones)
Subject: parsing the To: field
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
Alain Mellan writes:
 > This is probably an FAQ, but I can have VM 5.32 send a mail
 > when the To: field reads like:
 > 	   Alain Mellan <mellan@acri.fr> 
 > instead of:
 > 	   mellan@acri.fr (Alain Mellan)

I am still unsure as to what you're asking.
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.vm.info
From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: vm-version function
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
	<9212112256.AA01656@crystal.wonderworks.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:34:20 GMT

>>>>> "kyle" == Kyle Jones <kyle@crystal.wonderworks.com> writes:

kyle> Mike Northam writes:
 > I like to insert the emacs-version, etc. in buffers occasionally, typing
 > (emacs-version)C-u C-x C-e 
 > which invokes eval-last-sexp.
 > 
 > This doesn't work for vm-version, however, since vm-version isn't defined
 > as a function, but only a variable.

kyle> Ummm, variables eval, too.

kyle> vm-versionC-uC-xC-e
kyle> "5.32 (beta)"

OK, I don't pretend to have much of a clue when it comes to elisp, but
vm-versionC-uC-xC-e
"5.32 (beta)"
is OK, as you mention (which, frankly, I didn't realize before)

but,
(vm-version)C-uC-xC-e
gets
Symbol's function definition is void: vm-version

in the status line without my little defun.  I don't want to have to
remember whether something is a symbol or a function (I'm making the rash
assumption here that that's the difference between enclosing something in
parens or not).

Now that I know you can eval a variable, I'm a lot happier and more
well-adjusted person, though.

--
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com
"You ducks are really trying my patience...but you're SOOO cute. --Apu 9F01
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: garee@convex.com (Scott Garee)
Subject: Looking for .el for Sparcstation
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:09:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I have a customer who is wanting to use the function keys (mainly
the ones on the right) of a Sun Sparcstation under Emacs 18.55.

Is there a sparc-term.el (or similar) file or are the Sparc's
keys the same as older Sun's?  I do not have a Sparc to test
and, from what I gleened from the customer, the sun-fns.el
program did not do the trick.

Email or post as desired and thanks in advance.

-Scott

-- 
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My opinions are my own and are not supported by Convex Computer Corp.
(Even though I AM right) 
"I hear your lips moving, but I can't see what you're saying." - me
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: yusuf@ils.nwu.edu (Yusuf Pisan)
Subject: Horizantal scrol (how to get rid of $ and see what I am typing)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Distribution: gnu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:36:17 GMT


When I use split-window-horizontally, I get a dollar sign for lines
that are "too long" instead of the usual way emacs wraps lines by
using backslash.

When I open a file as read only the only way to see the rest of the
line is by enalrging the window :-(.

Any fixes?

Yusuf Pisan
y-pisan@nwu.edu
From: coe@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Chester O. Edelman)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: looking to sort rmail msgs by date
Summary: rmail sort
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:10:32 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


Hiya, I am looking for a pointer to a anonymously ftp'able library to
sort rmail msgs by date.  I am running emacs18.58.  Please reply to me
by mail and I will summarize back to the group.  Thanks - Chet.
-- 
Chet Edelman "Truth is a blanket that leaves your feet out in the cold" D.P.S.
EMAIL: coe@silver.lcs.mit.edu, coe@cs.umb.edu
SNAIL: 1718 Ocean Avenue, Brooklyn NY  11230
VMAIL: (718) 338-1432
From: wang@math.ufl.edu (ForYourEyesOnly)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Horizantal scrol (how to get rid of $ and see what I am typing)
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:23:52 GMT
Organization: University of Florida Department of Mathematics

In article <NICK.92Dec17013931@alphaville.osf.org> nick@osf.org (Nick Dokos) writes:
>Since Wayne did not mention his hscroll.el package, let me put in a plug
>for it. You can put a buffer in hscroll-mode and it will automatically scroll
>left or right following the cursor. It's great. I have sent it to a bunch
>of people already. If you would like a copy, drop me a note.
>
Could  you post it here so that anyone who is interested in can have a
chance to try it?

--lw (wang@math.ufl.edu)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: hagerman@rx7.ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman)
Subject: GNU Emacs compile.el Change Suggestion
Reply-To: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu
Organization: Gatewayed from the GNU Project mailing list help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:37:08 GMT

I've added an option to compile.el which, when set, causes `compile'
to save all modified buffers without asking.  I have used this for a
couple of years without trouble.  The default setting makes this a
transparent addition.

It's pretty simple, so I'll describe it manually here and append the
result of `diff my-compile.el compile.el' at the end of the message.

Add the variable

    (defvar compilation-save-without-asking nil
      "*If non-nil then save all modified buffers without asking.")

and change the single occurrence of

    (save-some-buffers)

to

    (save-some-buffers compilation-save-without-asking)

Thanks for your consideration - John

19a20,23
> ;; HISTORY
> ;;
> ;; Dec 13, 1992; John Hagerman: Added compilation-save-without-asking.
> 
21a26,28
> (defvar compilation-save-without-asking nil
>   "*If non-nil then save all modified buffers without asking.")
> 
68c75
<   (save-some-buffers)
---
>   (save-some-buffers compilation-save-without-asking)
From: stefan@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Stefan Kozlowski)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: demacs
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:43:49
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
Distribution: gnu
Reply-To: stefan@zurich.ai.mit.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: murren.ai.mit.edu


I just loaded demacs and am over-joyed to find a real emacs for the
DOS worlf actually exists. I have a question though:

Is there anyway I can edit a text file in demacs and also view and
edit the ascii symbols which respresent such things as end-of-line,
tab, etc.etc... I am not talking about the translated versions of such
symbols like ^M^L or the scan codes like \13. I want to see, produce
and edit the ascii symbols directly.

Thanks in Advance

--Stefan
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: binding cntrl-SPC to set-mark-command
Date: 19 Dec 1992 05:02:48 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <DLA.92Dec16224504@se05.wg2.waii.com> dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes:
>I'm  trying  to  bind  cntrl-spc  to  set-mark-command  (its  bound to
>self-insert-command right now), so I put this in my .emacs:

There's no such character as Control-Space.  Many terminals send Control-@
(aka NUL) when you type Control-Space.  I suspect your terminal is not one
of them.

-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: combining major modes
Keywords: vip, mode, auto-mode
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:07:43 GMT
Reply-To: kendall@lds.loral.com
Organization: Loral Data Systems

Ok, I have default-major-mode set to vip-mode, and that works fine for many
files; i.e. when I visit a file called foo.bar, I'm in vip-mode. But when the
major mode is determined from auto-mode-alist, it throws me into a combination of
the chosen mode (e.g. c-mode if the file ends with .c) and *Emacs* mode; i.e. the
mode line says:

-----Emacs:	foo.c  ...

instead of 

-----Vi:	foo.c ...

It is possible to C-z and get into vip-mode, but that's annoying. How can I get 
around this.

---
Warmest regards,
Colin Kendall.
Phone (813) 371-0811 extension 6842
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: jkh@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Subject: How to convert from Babyl (RMAIL) format back to Mail?  HELP!
Organization: Lotus Development Ireland
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:00:20 GMT

Hi,

You probably know the scenario - not having MH, or other decent mail
handler, I used RMAIL in emacs up to the point of having very very
large mailbox files (even with constant refiling I can't seem to keep
pace).  Now, suddenly (for various reasons), mh becomes available.
Joy!  Every message in its own file!  But wait, how to get these
pesky babyl format files converted into something I can get then 'inc'?
Hmmmm!

I figure asking for something that converts Babyl files into multiple
files, mh style, would be too much to ask for but what the heck, that
would also do just as well (or even better).

Any pointers?  Please help a desperate man who is otherwise contemplating
perl..  (shudder).

					Jordan

--
Jordan Hubbard		Lotus Development Ireland	jkh@whisker.lotus.ie
I DO NOT SPEAK FOR LOTUS - IT HAS PLENTY OF LAWYERS TO DO THAT FOR IT ALREADY
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: eneafsey@lucpul.it.luc.edu (E. J. Neafsey)
Subject: demacs crashes trying to load large (>1MB) text files
Summary: demacs crashes my 486 when I try to visit a large (>1MB) text file
Keywords: demacs,crash, large files
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:22:04 GMT

When I try to load large (>1MB) text files, such as Roget's Thesaurus
or calc's texinfo file, demacs crashes.  Am I doing something wrong,
or is it a problem with demacs?  BTW, Vernon Buerg's LIST program has
no trouble with these files at all.

One other thing: any solutions to demacs's file locking problems that
occur when you add the "-9" to SET TZ=CST-9???  The "-9" makes the
time correct but screws up something else.  This is mentioned in the
demacs FAQ, but I have seen statements here that imply the "-9" can be
made to work.

Thanks in advance.

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From: besson@vill.edu (Morgan Besson)
Subject: Micro-GNU Emacs for PC MS-DOS
Organization: Villanova University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:42:00 GMT

There are a few Emacs editors available for the PC.  The one I like the
most is Micro-GNU (MG) version 2A.  It is a single exe of about 90k.
It loads very quickly and has most, but not all, of the functionality of
the full GNU Emacs.  It can be found via ftp at 128.100.2.160 in the
directory /pub/mg.

Morgan Besson
Villanova Univ.
Villanova, Pennsylvania USA
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
From: flower@donald.etdesg.trw.com (Rick Flower)
Subject: Has anyone successfully compiled Lemacs??
Originator: flower@donald
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Distribution: gnu
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:58:03 GMT

I got Lemacs (I don't remember the version) a while back off of either
gatekeeper or prep.ai and have been unable to get the makefile to go more
than a few steps before it complains.. I checked out the file and it is
attempting to use a command that I don't have on my system (I think it was
something similar to ld...).  Anyway, I finally gave up in frustration and
considered it a hopeless case..

I was just curious if anyone else out there WAS able to get this beast up
and running and on what platform (I'm using a Sun 3/60 w/ SunOS 4.1.1)

Just curious..

Thanx!

-- Rick

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From: majidi@rwja.umdnj.edu (Masoud Majidi)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: where is faq?
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:40:57 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Dear netters

Could somebody please tell me where I can find faq for this newsgroup? I have
a few questions but I'd rather read faq before I post my questions.

Thanks a lot,

--
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  11-Dec-1992 1652)
Subject: Re: Binding functions on a PC
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:52:15 PST
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khamsi@ll.mit.edu (Sarir Khamsi) remarks that the F1 key on his terminal
issues the character sequence "^[[11~",

> which emacs does not like to see in a "global-set-key" command.

The problem is that the character sequence "^[[" (ESC-[) is by default
bound in GNU Emacs to a function (I think it's backward-paragraph).

In order to get GNU Emacs to recognize character sequences beginning with 
ESC-[, you must unbind that function, e.g. by

(global-unset-key "\e[")

preferably early in your .emacs file.

This situation has been raised often enough that it should go into the
GNU Emacs FAQ list.  I don't think it's there now.

----
David  J  Ellis
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