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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:57:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.150401.915@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Well, it's pretty common knowledge now that 7'1" Chicago King player
>Rashard Griffith has Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Purdue on his short list at
>the current time.  Rashard was up at Camp Randall Saturday for the Badger's
>big football upset of Ohio State.

	According to the Indy info I got last week, he still has official
	visits to make to OSU and Purdue, in that order.  He apparently
	came on his own to the Cal-Purdue football game a few weeks ago.
	Thank God he didn't come to any of the subsequent ones, or
	Purdue would have been eliminated quickly!

>These same papers did not even have Purdue listed as a contender.  I take
>it that their recruiting information is very old (Purdue is a latecomer in
>the Griffith race).  Either that, or it is once again an example of the
>Madison media ignoring Purdue again.

	They're just like everyone else...

	According to the know-it-all newspaper guy in Champaign, Griffith
	will go to OSU.  But, I think this guy's going on Dave Kaplan's info
	(Windy City Roundball Review), and he's known to be wrong occasion-
	ally. Rashard has had a legacy of misleading people in this instance,
	too, so he could be pulling everyone's leg...

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:17:56 EDT
From: Spiro the Spiny Goldfish <MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Distribution: usa
 <1992Oct5.212928.24825@cbnews.cb.att.com>

>>Big Ten (Terry Boers, Chicago Sun-Times):
>>1. Indiana
>>2. Michigan
>>3. Michigan St.
>>4. Iowa
>>5. Illinois
>>6. Purdue
>>7. Ohio St.
>>8. Minnesota
>>9. Wisconsin
>>10. Northwestern
>>11. Penn St.

I can't believe Penn State is at the absolute basement here! In the last
two years, PSU beat Illinois, and played a fine game against Ohio
State last year (stayed within 10-20 whole game, but never seriously
challenged). Also, two years ago they beat top-20 UCLA in the first
round of the Big Dance! I say PSU ends up 6th or 7th in the Big Ten.
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:29:33 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <5730@news.duke.edu>, chrisp@acpub.duke.edu (Christopher Pelham) writes:
>One other note.  I disagree with Rob on prob. starting forwards on 93-4 team
>PF	Lang (backed by Newton and Moore)
>SF	Beard (backed by G. Hill and Moore or Clark)

Hmm. Interesting.  I assume you agree that G.Hill will start at the point.
I agree that if you have two forwards on the floor, at least one should be
able to shoot.  I'm almost tempted to start both Newton & Beard, if they're
ready.  But Lang will be needed for his defense.  Though not as a good a 
defender as Brian Davis, he may become the emotional center of the team by
then, and is a probable co-captain.  So if Lang is to start, and not at the
wing, then either Beard or Moore should start.  A lineup of 
C-Parks  PF-Lang  SF-Beard  PG-Hill SG-Collins would be fun, because you could
bring in the shock troops:
C-Newton PF-Beard SF-Hill PG-Capel SG-Collins

Capel could be used as a small forward as well, putting G.Hill at the point.
This is a frightening lineup, because all five players can hit the three.
What about G.Hill you say?  Watching him recently in the Cameron pickup games,
he's been looking for, taking and making the three pointer with great 
regularity.  Look for him to get the green light next year.  The only problem
with this lineup is that it might get knocked around by bigger, stronger
teams.  

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: UNLV in the news (again, sort of)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  6 Oct 92 16:52:02 GMT

Today's LA Times (10/6) had an article saying that Anderson Hunt and
a bunch of other UNLV players were at notorious UNLV Booster
(forgot-his-first-name) Perry over a year *after* Tark publicly told
them not to go near the guy.

Frankly, the article seemed to me more of a molehill than a mountain,
but that may be my "Hey - they're UNLV - they did lots worse than that"
attitude shining through.

This was the guy that they [the players] were in the hot tub with (remember
the photo).  The guy that was in on the Boston College point shaving in the
early 80's.  They were there after their national championship when their
names were painted on his outdoor court.

I think it's all a big "who cares" at this point, but I could be wrong.
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: O'Bannon du Jour! (was Re: Hendrick (was Re: Sport...))
Keywords: no "s"
Date: 3 Oct 92 09:21:37 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <matthew.718060939@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> Glad you liked it.  I have a new report.  Scott Turner and I were playing
> yesterday and watched the Men's team self-scrimmage (pickup) for a while.

 OH how neet - you and the wimp out for a day in the shade - how
cute this all is.... 

> Ed O. does *not* wear a knee brace and looked pretty non-stiff.  Took it to
> the hole in a pick-up game, which is probably a good sign (for those who

oooooh - took it to the hoop once eh? My mym - must be at full strength
then eh?


> Other UCLA players...
>   Petruska looked good.  Nice shot - lots o' rebounds.  He did have a nasty
>   habit of taking the defensive rebound and bringing the ball up the court
>   hard.  Reminded me of Trevor Wilson just a bit too much.

 I'm worried - wanna bet on his high score against Arizona this season? If
he reaches double figure I'll be surprised - what a bunch of pathetic bozos
you UCLA folks are - get a grip on reality will ya - your
team is shit and Arizona has the PAc-10 wrapped up.... ask ol Harry from
ASU - he'll tell ya....

>   Lanier is huge.  He's beefed up his upper-body.  Unfortunately, he's still
>   a goofball.

 Oooohhhhh my - a big stiff - tell me - just how much weight does the 9'6"
freak have on him now? 120 pounds?


>   The whole team looked a bit disorganized, but it was just a scrimmage.

 Famous last words - you probably saw the best team effort that you'll
see out these shmucks all season - remember who is coaching these
misfits....


			gln


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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:49:25 CDT

In article <1992Oct6.162357.6037@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>
>Has Keady signed Ten Dam yet??? If he hasn't then what's to renege? Coaches
>talk to multiple players at the same position all of the time and those players
>are prioritized. If both kids want to go to Purdue then it's Purdue's 
>option to pick the one they want. Of course, more often than not, that's not
>what happens for the majority of schools.
>
>Just because Gene flew all the way to Holland to talk to this kid (poor guy, 
>what a job!!!), he didn't come back with any signed committment letter of any 
>type did he???
>
>If Purdue wants Griffith and Griffith wants Purdue AND Purdue has made no 
>committment to Ten Dam other than to say that they would like Ten Dam to play 
>for Purdue and Purdue has an open scholarship, then what's so unethical about 
>that? (I could be missing something here because I'm not quite sure about 
>Ten Dam's status.)

No, he is not signed, but he was promised a spot.  So if he wants to renig,
he can.  But is unethical for Purdue to tell a guy they want him, and then
talk him in to going to prep school at his expense, if they are not even
going to take him.  It is legal according to the NCAA, but shitty, IMO.
I doubt if "the General" would ever do something this crappy.

More likely than not, Purdue will simply get somebody to "relinquish" their
scholarship for Griffith.  But in reality, I don't think Rashard will
choose Purdue.....
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Syracuse Probation
Summary: A humorous look at this...
Keywords: probation, lack of coverage
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:23:46 GMT

Personally, I think that part of their probation should be no coverage on 
r.s.b.c.!!!    :^) 

Jeremy Hall
Penn State University
Home of the 1992-93 Big Ten Basketball Champions!   :^)
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:57:04 GMT

Iowa State always plays tough at Hilton Colesium in Ames. Last year, ISU
knocked off 4 top-25 (at the time they played) teams at Hilton (Iowa, OSU, OU,
and KU). Hilton is also a great place to watch a game. The students are given
plenty of seats up close to the floor in the lower deck (especially behind the
visitors bench), and the place usually rocks quite well. 

The band (mostly brass) is stationed right next to the visitor's bench; I
doubt that this is by coincidence. The band also uses amplifiers. I've had
seats behind the visitors bench and it is impossible to hear the person next
to you say anything when the band is playing. A couple of years ago Steve
Fisher moved the Wolverine huddle off the bench and well out onto the floor,
although that probably didn't help too much.

Generally, I think the Big-8 basketball arenas are quite tough places to play.

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:53:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.005218.24115@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> Christopher S. Erwin 
writes:
>> In article <Bvo2AJ.98u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> I write:
>> >On October 13, the 1992-93 edition of NCAA Preview Magazine will hit the
>> >newsstands.  The IDS received a complimentary copy of this through the mail
>
>This magazine has been on the stands at Purdue's magazine shops for
>nearly two weeks.  I bought my copy last Tuseday.  The coverage is
>pretty good for the most part, but there are some errors, particularly
>in the Big-## section.  I really can't say for the rest of the 
>conferences, but I do know that Ian Stanback and Chris Webber are
>definitely not centers.

Damn. According to the press release they sent us, it wouldn't hit the shelves
until the 13th.  I guess I shouldn't trust a publication that thinks Webber
plays center.  :)

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From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:15:39 GMT

In article <22993@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>
> It would be a small miracle for the Pac-10 to get 2 teams into the sweet
>sixteen this season. Cal is probably the pick to win the conference but
>I can't see them going far in the tourney. UCLA is more or less up in the
>air but with a good draw might make it, ASU is a joke, OSU has an outside shot
>to make the tourney but an even better chance of getting out quickly, and
>Arizona is likely to be seeded lower than they have in quite some time. 
>

I just don't see Cal winning the PAC.  They looked so bad last year 
that is seems unlikely to me.  I think everyone is assuming Kidd is 
the second comming of Kenny Anderson.  Remember that Anderson was
dishing to Dennis Scott and Brian Oliver.  Kidd will have a much
tougher time.  I would have to give the nod to UCLA based on how 
they played in Europe.  I agree that ASU is a joke.  I'll bet Wild 
Bill Follys are playing well in Tuscon.
>
>				gln
>


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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Scheduling (was Re: PAC-10: Oregon State Schedule)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:25:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct2.162506.23536
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>
>I didn't mean to get on Rajeev's case about OSU's schedule, or the posting,
>which I thought was great.  Upon reading my response again, I realize that
>maybe I did.  All I wanted to point out is that, although they aren't
>playing many cupcakes, OSU doesn't have the toughest non-conference schedule 
>in the country either.  That honor probably still goes to Notre Dame.

Umm, I hate to point out the obvious, but Notre Dame doesn't have a 
conference schedule.  Hence all games are non-conference and of course they
schedule some tough teams to play.  Without having the faintest idea what
there schedule actually is, I would guess that they have some cupcakes 
lined up as well as the large amount of meat that is also on their 
schedule.  The obvious way to check on this is to have somebody post
what their schedule is.  Anybody?

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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Originator: jagreath@c00055-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:16:31 GMT


In article <70071@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:

|>1) Cameron Indoor Stadium (much as I hate to say it)
|>2) Allen Fieldhouse
|>3) Dean Dome
     ^^^^^^^^^
The Dean Dome???? What have you been smoking there in Atlanta?  Reynolds 
is much tougher to play in than the Dean Dome.  The Carolina wine&cheese
go to be seen at the game crowd is about the lamest in the ACC.  For a 
team of Carolina's caliber, the fans seem to take minimal interest in the
basketball game.

|>4) Gallagher-Iba Arena (how about it people?)
|>5) Alexander Memorial Coliseum
    [stuff about Alexander deleted]
Hmm.  As one of the toughest in the country? Try going out west to *see* a
game between New Mexico State and New Mexico in the Pit.  Go watch Arizona
play Arizona State or UCLA in McKale.  Wander in to UNLV's glitz palace, the
Thomas and Mack center.  Then compare it to Alexander or the Dean Dome.  I 
think you will be surprised at how lame the crowds in these two ACC arenas
actually are.


|>Best arena: The Pit
|>	I've heard ALOT of good things about The Pit.  I don't think its 
|>any coincidence that The Pit has hosted NCAA Final 4 before, and may well
|>again in the future.  It is a great site for basketball, not to mention
|>a formidable place to play at.  Obviously, I'm not speaking from personal
|>experience here, but rather from what I've read in many, many publications
|>and what I've seen on tv.

No arguments here.  I grew up on Lobo Basketball, watched the Final Four there
*live* in 1983, and will state uequivocally that the Pit is the best environment
for a home team, home crowd, and a basketball game which can be found in the
US.  It is truly a special, special place.  I've seen ACC games in most of the
arenas in the conference, and the only one which will compare is Cameron.  
Otherwise, sorry folx.  The Pit is it.


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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:40:52 GMT
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.

foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:
: In article <5627@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
: |> 
: |> For what it's worth, Sport just put out its Sweet Sixteen for next year.
: |>  Here are the teams, and a summary of their reasons (or what passed for them).
: |> 1. Kansas-- With three returning starters, plus Darrin Hancock, plus Roy
: |>    Williams, they should be #1 from start to finish.
: 
: How you can lose your best player - Alonzo Jamison and come back the #1 team
: in the country is a gutsy call. There are several teams that lose no starters
: 

  Three reasons :
    1. Jamison was not the best player - Walters and Jordan were at least as
       good.
    2. Former McDonalds All-Americans Darrin Hancock (juco) and Calvin
       Rayford (prop 48) join an already deep team. Hancock should replace
       Jamison at SF nicely.
    3. Roy Williams is a tremendous coach.

: [stuff deleted]
: 
: |> 5. Kentucky-- "Next up for Pitino is governorship of Kentucky."
: 
: How can you lose Pelphrey, Farmer, Feldhaus and Woods and be ranked this high
: is another mild surprise. 
: 

   I think this rating is too high for this early in the year given the youth
 and lack of experience playing together.  The biggest thing they lost with
 the 4 seniors was leadership, desire, and tremendous understanding and
 execution of the Pitino system.  Talent-wise, the new recruits more than
 make up for what was lost and Mashburn is one of the nation's top 5 players.
 If this team can develop the intangibles they lost with Pelphrey, et al
 then watch out come March.


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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby)
Subject: um thread
Summary: flame wars
Keywords: fun
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:26:03 GMT


the "fichigan supension" thread:

wow.  that was fun!


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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: PAC-10: Oregon State Schedule
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 05:42:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.072114.13311@CS.ORST.EDU> rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey) writes:
>matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>
>>Haskin is my pick for all-PAC-10 at Center.  
>
> I doubt that there is a dissenting vote to that anywhere. 

Two words:

Richard Petruska.

- Trent Lange

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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:48:23 GMT

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:

>Point Guards:
>1. Bobby Hurley, Sr., Duke
>2. Sam Crawford, Sr., New Mexico State
>3. Adonis Jordan, Sr., Kansas
>4. Chuck Evans, Sr., Mississippi

That's Mississippi State !


David

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From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: Re: Info on Thomas Hamilton (7-3 Forward)
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:34:19 GMT

In article <BvGHus.D5E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be) writes:
>king@meaddata.com (Mike King) writes:
>
>>Can anyone tell me anything, good or bad, about Thomas Hamilton.
>>Hamilton is a 7 footer at Chicago's Martin Luther King high school.
>He's big, he's slooooooow, he's a bit clumsy, but he is pretty good.  His

Sounds like a born Bruin to me.  He can play next to Mike(?) Lanier

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